IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: January 18th, 2015-January 24th, 2015

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MinceR	http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/01/16/obama-sides-with-cameron-in-encryption-fight/	Jan 18 00:33
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comradekingu	unsuprisingly camerons corner is a losing one for the public at large	Jan 18 00:39
DaemonFC	http://www.linuxvoice.com/interview-lennart-poettering/	Jan 18 00:56
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DaemonFC	In some sense, a central development model is probably better, but the BSDs have never really had the development resources to produce a very usable operating system for desktops and workstations.	Jan 18 00:58
DaemonFC	So I am afraid that my experience with BSD operating systems is limited because there's almost always important hardware that I have that doesn't work right under any BSD.	Jan 18 00:58
DaemonFC	PC-BSD was fun to play around with. I actually got it mostly working on an old laptop once.	Jan 18 00:59
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MinceR	if poettering hates gnu/linux so much, he should apply for a job at microsoft	Jan 18 01:04
MinceR	instead of trying to turn gnu/linux into windows	Jan 18 01:04
cubexyz	the original ideas are bell labs ideas	Jan 18 01:05
cubexyz	bsd added to that and diverged	Jan 18 01:05
comradekingu	I always liked the model of BSD, i just think their choice of license held them down. But then again i cant stand systemd	Jan 18 01:05
cubexyz	Linux came out a _lot_ later on	Jan 18 01:05
comradekingu	bell labs made a lot of greatness	Jan 18 01:05
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cubexyz	so the template was created mostly by Thompson & Ritchie	Jan 18 01:06
comradekingu	I would pay money to see a low-budget horror movie about the feature-creep	Jan 18 01:06
comradekingu	Everyone is running software that turns into something else	Jan 18 01:06
cubexyz	just study the evolution of unix	Jan 18 01:07
cubexyz	the feature-creep will be easily apparent	Jan 18 01:07
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comradekingu	how so, i thought it was quite good untill now	Jan 18 01:09
cubexyz	BSD was botched up by the UC Berkeley and AT&T lawsuit over ownership of the code	Jan 18 01:09
comradekingu	It all trickles down onto whatever one finds usable	Jan 18 01:09
cubexyz	so Linux got a foothold	Jan 18 01:09
cubexyz	there's lots of stupid stuff in BSD and Linux	Jan 18 01:10
cubexyz	bugs in wall.c for example	Jan 18 01:10
cubexyz	you go back far enough, most of the bugs disappear	Jan 18 01:10
cubexyz	but sometimes bad stuff is added in	Jan 18 01:11
cubexyz	there's bugs in the original unix v5 of course	Jan 18 01:11
cubexyz	it's just now things are so complex that one person can't understand it all	Jan 18 01:11
cubexyz	in the v5 days, one person could conceivably fix everything	Jan 18 01:12
comradekingu	well as things grow people depend on the bad parts working	Jan 18 01:13
comradekingu	i wonder if the total amount of critical bugs go down or up	Jan 18 01:13
cubexyz	I know one guy who studied RT-11 for 30 years	Jan 18 01:13
cubexyz	and I asked him how well he understood all the code	Jan 18 01:13
cubexyz	he replied "I understand about 1/3 of it"	Jan 18 01:13
cubexyz	ok, now RT-11 is much simpler than a modern Linux or BSD distro	Jan 18 01:14
cubexyz	I've run FC1 for over 10 years	Jan 18 01:15
cubexyz	I've fixed a lot of stuff... but there's no way I've fixed everything	Jan 18 01:15
comradekingu	this is also just the one guy, but i think a lot of us depend on quite few people when it comes to understanding enough not to do damage	Jan 18 01:16
cubexyz	also no one cares if you fix old distros	Jan 18 01:16
cubexyz	who do you need the bug fixes to?	Jan 18 01:16
cubexyz	s/need/sent/	Jan 18 01:16
comradekingu	i guess ideology becomes important then. Support the one that overall makes the most sense and has the solid foundation to build on	Jan 18 01:16
cubexyz	so if I fix an old FC1 bug all I can do is put it up on the net	Jan 18 01:17
comradekingu	Lets say pottering and friends understand their systemd. Did they plan for it to become what it is, and what it will be in the future?	Jan 18 01:17
DaemonFC	<comradekingu> i wonder if the total amount of critical bugs go down or up	Jan 18 01:17
DaemonFC	It depends on whether they're actively adding new features or not.	Jan 18 01:17
cubexyz	I'm not going to use systemd, so I just avoid it (mostly)	Jan 18 01:17
cubexyz	I have one machine that has it... Fedora 16 I think it is	Jan 18 01:18
DaemonFC	It's improved a lot.	Jan 18 01:18
comradekingu	DaemonFC: but bad code is bugs, not new features	Jan 18 01:18
cubexyz	mostly BSD and Linux work well, I'm not saying it's junk or anything	Jan 18 01:19
cubexyz	I'm just saying there's _some_ bugs still	Jan 18 01:19
comradekingu	lets say they are all superflous, the base system can be secure for someone who only need the base components	Jan 18 01:19
comradekingu	but are we historically at a good place with linux?	Jan 18 01:19
cubexyz	there's bugs beyond that though	Jan 18 01:20
cubexyz	BIOS bugs :)	Jan 18 01:20
cubexyz	chip bugs	Jan 18 01:20
cubexyz	we are better off now, yes	Jan 18 01:20
cubexyz	generally speaking	Jan 18 01:20
cubexyz	the 90's were the dark ages of computing in my opinion	Jan 18 01:20
cubexyz	the 80's was chaotic	Jan 18 01:21
cubexyz	the 70's everything was extremely expensive	Jan 18 01:21
comradekingu	but there are some quite significant powers that might now have manifested themselves in the stability of things	Jan 18 01:21
cubexyz	getting back to BSD for a second, there was a giant chunk of BSD code in SVR4	Jan 18 01:23
cubexyz	so AT&T had to back down	Jan 18 01:23
cubexyz	so "Unix" is the aggregate of Bell and Berkeley and many others	Jan 18 01:23
cubexyz	but the average programmer can't really do a lot about chip bugs or BIOS bugs	Jan 18 01:24
cubexyz	those require a lot of time and study to fix	Jan 18 01:24
comradekingu	I think if something is hard to do you get better results doing it. Back then if you did something it would have to be good to make up for the expence	Jan 18 01:25
comradekingu	Whereas now the quality of things is as mediocre as the effort it takes to make them	Jan 18 01:25
cubexyz	the thing is you _can_ fix things with an open source OS and access to the toolchain	Jan 18 01:26
cubexyz	that wasn't true for home computers in the 80s	Jan 18 01:26
cubexyz	we had closed source OSes, and non-flashable BIOS in many cases	Jan 18 01:26
comradekingu	But then again they operated on prinsiples that were easier to grasp and get to function	Jan 18 01:26
comradekingu	even with gplv2 only you wont get anything beyond that, open source and all	Jan 18 01:28
comradekingu	so there will probably still be duplication of effort for the foreseeable future	Jan 18 01:28
cubexyz	it's interesting because each era had it's champion	Jan 18 01:29
cubexyz	e.g. the KDE 1.0 guys hated KDE 2.0 :)	Jan 18 01:29
cubexyz	so they left the KDE project	Jan 18 01:29
cubexyz	same thing happened again with KDE 4, the KDE 3 guys didn't like it	Jan 18 01:29
cubexyz	so you get a constant influx of new people writing code for things	Jan 18 01:30
comradekingu	yes, but what if someone with insight designed a desktop environment	Jan 18 01:30
comradekingu	Back when the limitations were hard and many it seems it was easy enough to make something that was the best it could be	Jan 18 01:31
cubexyz	well everybody does there own thing, that's why we have a ton of different window managers	Jan 18 01:31
cubexyz	it used to be just xwm, one simple thing	Jan 18 01:32
comradekingu	all good, but what will be the wikipedia of operating systems?	Jan 18 01:32
cubexyz	it's a moving target, there's no one best way to make an OS	Jan 18 01:33
MinceR	an OS where political cliques battle it out to get their code in? :>	Jan 18 01:33
comradekingu	the best way is surely to organize people doing it, and pulling towards a good goal	Jan 18 01:33
cubexyz	anyone can do anything in userland	Jan 18 01:34
comradekingu	but even if people suck, well organized people suck less	Jan 18 01:34
cubexyz	you can roll your own distro, do what you want :)	Jan 18 01:34
comradekingu	that is always the fallback	Jan 18 01:34
comradekingu	but what end to a means is a benefit big enough to fork	Jan 18 01:35
comradekingu	we already know what the worst of the worst is, but what does the future hold in terms of things that are truly great	Jan 18 01:36
comradekingu	if something gives enough meaning it cant stay hidden for too long.	Jan 18 01:36
cubexyz	the original Unix ideas were good, we should keep that in mind	Jan 18 01:36
cubexyz	it's the cleanest and most useful design	Jan 18 01:37
comradekingu	Even if we as a whole keep throwing effort into the hole	Jan 18 01:37
comradekingu	ok, but is it only valuable in terms of itself, or is it darwinistic	Jan 18 01:37
cubexyz	the pioneer days are sort of over now	Jan 18 01:37
comradekingu	is systemd doomed because it doesnt do things that way	Jan 18 01:37
cubexyz	it would be very difficult to make a completely new system	Jan 18 01:38
cubexyz	well, I used FC1 for over a decade so I know it's pretty useable	Jan 18 01:38
cubexyz	that's a pretty good run, and I'm still using it	Jan 18 01:39
comradekingu	i think with more power new systems will come, and innovations that consider humans and machines are on the rise	Jan 18 01:39
cubexyz	really the new stuff isn't very great, honestly speaking	Jan 18 01:39
comradekingu	link?	Jan 18 01:40
comradekingu	so ive noticed	Jan 18 01:40
cubexyz	laptops have a huge heat problem	Jan 18 01:40
cubexyz	the Von Neuman bottleneck is getting worse :)	Jan 18 01:40
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cubexyz	some video cards actually destroy themselves from heat	Jan 18 01:41
cubexyz	more integration on the motherboard means it's harder to fix	Jan 18 01:41
cubexyz	no one sells manuals with their computers	Jan 18 01:41
cubexyz	no BIOS source code... etc, etc	Jan 18 01:42
comradekingu	isnt hp doing some rambus ramdac fancy memory thing	Jan 18 01:42
comradekingu	cubexyz: i think we will return to that. Its a race to the top	Jan 18 01:43
comradekingu	After all, the desktop level performance was met 10 years ago.	Jan 18 01:43
comradekingu	And anything fancier is hardware accelerated, so its not like one cant catch up	Jan 18 01:43
cubexyz	well there's another issue, that distros are big fat pigs with montronously big glibc :)	Jan 18 01:44
cubexyz	so efficiency is very bad	Jan 18 01:44
cubexyz	so sure, a redo will probably happen at some point	Jan 18 01:45
cubexyz	I've basically done that... by fixing Unix v5 bugs	Jan 18 01:47
comradekingu	interesting concept	Jan 18 01:48
cubexyz	I explain that here:	Jan 18 01:48
cubexyz	http://cubexyz.blogspot.ca/2014/10/using-older-software-and-hardware.html	Jan 18 01:48
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comradekingu	palimpsest yonder, rewrite anew	Jan 18 01:49
cubexyz	sort of, yes :)	Jan 18 01:50
cubexyz	easier than starting over completely	Jan 18 01:50
comradekingu	tiny-core appeals to me too	Jan 18 01:51
cubexyz	it's good, but not particularly memory efficient	Jan 18 01:51
comradekingu	robert shingledecker is very old, mabye thats why its so sleek compared to modern things	Jan 18 01:51
comradekingu	well ill take it over what i use now any day	Jan 18 01:51
cubexyz	if you want something with a lot of features that is still pretty lean then OpenBSD + icewm isn't bad	Jan 18 01:52
comradekingu	i dont want bsd license	Jan 18 01:53
comradekingu	and i want something that looks nice	Jan 18 01:53
comradekingu	but i always take speed according to ability	Jan 18 01:54
cubexyz	you probably won't like any of my suggestions since I generally use well-maintained older computers	Jan 18 01:54
comradekingu	i do like that too, but more as a hobby appeal	Jan 18 01:54
comradekingu	old manuals really have a way of communicating something in the manner it works	Jan 18 01:55
comradekingu	i like that	Jan 18 01:55
cubexyz	I used to use Fedora a lot, now on the Linux side I'm using Slackware more these days	Jan 18 01:56
cubexyz	I'm not sure what to recommend	Jan 18 01:56
cubexyz	if you want something really different there's Haiku, or Plan 9	Jan 18 01:57
DaemonFC	It would be nice to see Fedora's installer get their partitioning tool in better shape.	Jan 18 01:57
DaemonFC	Other than that, it's very easy to set up and use.	Jan 18 01:57
MinceR	gn	Jan 18 01:58
cubexyz	it's not too hard to write Motif/X software for BSD and Linux	Jan 18 02:02
cubexyz	so if I write a Linux gui to do something I make sure it also works on BSD	Jan 18 02:02
cubexyz	not sure how the license stuff works there but I don't worry about it too much	Jan 18 02:02
comradekingu	interoperability is good, i dont want a 4 out of 5 os. I want all the parts i think are good	Jan 18 02:03
comradekingu	anyhow, nice talking to you, but i must go to bed. Goodnight :)	Jan 18 02:04
cubexyz	laterz	Jan 18 02:06
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XFaCE	MinceR: +2	Jan 18 20:22
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XFaCE	+3	Jan 18 21:07
XFaCE	MinceR: "Well, the reason that Lennart gets it where Torvalds and Theo don't, is that while they're all assholes, Torvalds goes out of his way to ensure that people don't break stuff, and Theo takes other people's broken stuff, cleans it up and gives us a clean fixed version. Meanwhile Lennart makes all sorts of disruptive changes, this isn't a value statement on whether the changes are good or bad, but that he causes all sorts of changes in how peopl	Jan 18 21:07
XFaCE	e interact with their systems which naturally ruffles a lot of feathers, it doesn't help that early versions of his software are often buggy and can cause bad interactions which break things (see pulse exposing all sorts of ALSA bugs)."	Jan 18 21:07
MinceR	Intolerant Regent P breaks other people's stuff for no reason and expects them to clean up his mess	Jan 18 21:10
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MinceR	oh, it's old, never mind	Jan 18 21:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ktheur: @tuxmachines @holarse @prolinux_de is there any practical and stable solution to make 'let's play videos' for youtube/twitch for (x)ubuntu?		Jan 18 23:08
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DaemonFC	I actually did have Windows Me on one of my computers.	Jan 18 23:20
DaemonFC	From the way people were bitching about it, I must have had the only copy that worked.	Jan 18 23:20
DaemonFC	Major improvement over Windows 98. I believe I got the Windows Me disc for $20. Microsoft had a promo upgrade box that worked for anyone who had Windows 98.	Jan 18 23:21
DaemonFC	If you were still on Windows 95, you had to buy the regular upgrade box though.	Jan 18 23:21
DaemonFC	Well, some badly written apps apparently stopped working, and I think that was mainly due to Windows File Protection.	Jan 18 23:22
DaemonFC	It was a solution for dll hell, where lots of programs simply overwrote the Windows copy of a dll with their own. It had been a major source of stability problems with Windows 9x. Windows Me lets the file get overwritten and then immediately copies back over it with the Windows version of the file.	Jan 18 23:23
DaemonFC	So instead of allowing Windows to be damaged, maybe there's a few programs that won't work quite right.	Jan 18 23:24
MinceR	winblows comes damaged out of the box	Jan 18 23:34
MinceR	gn	Jan 18 23:36
cubexyz	it's really mind pollution	Jan 19 00:34
cubexyz	and it's mostly the fault of educational institutions	Jan 19 00:34
cubexyz	instead of thinking about operating systems and concepts people have been trained to think in specifics	Jan 19 00:35
cubexyz	e.g. instead of thinking "I need a software presentation program" people think "I need PowerPoint"	Jan 19 00:37
cubexyz	instead of thinking "I need a word processor" they think "I need Word"	Jan 19 00:37
cubexyz	this just wasn't the case in the early 1990s and earlier	Jan 19 00:38
cubexyz	now the most egregious example of this is how people can't go from one operating system to another without major difficulty	Jan 19 00:39
TweetTuxMachines	@ktheur @tuxmachines @holarse @prolinux_de is there any	Jan 19 01:55
TweetTuxMachines	practical and stable solution to make 'let's	Jan 19 01:55
TweetTuxMachines	play videos' for youtube/twitch for (x)ubuntu?	Jan 19 01:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jgux7	Jan 19 01:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NVIDIA Releases Massive Stable Driver, Brings	Jan 19 02:13
TweetTuxMachines	Support for Latest Kernels and	Jan 19 02:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/B9JzD5p5iJ (www.x.org)	Jan 19 02:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Wp6g5LOiR4 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 02:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jgv40	Jan 19 02:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The TrackingPoint 338TP, the Linux Rifle that's	Jan 19 02:13
TweetTuxMachines	accurate up to a mile http://t.co/v2llOzwqdu	Jan 19 02:13
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 02:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jgv47	Jan 19 02:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Mint 18 Could Adopt Systemd	Jan 19 02:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/e1a6m68Onb (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 02:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jgv48	Jan 19 02:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Developers Close GTK+ Bug in Ubuntu That	Jan 19 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	Allowed Users to Bypass the Lock Screen	Jan 19 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/dGTAXcCccY (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jgxsh	Jan 19 05:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Adjusting PulseAudio to play .wav files without	Jan 19 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	distortion http://t.co/JlaAFG7njZ	Jan 19 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 05:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jgxsj	Jan 19 05:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines On Linus Torvalds and communities	Jan 19 09:28
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh07j	Jan 19 09:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Myth-Busting Google's Android Problem	Jan 19 09:28
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/C1dxst8sI8 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 09:28
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schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/5452242	Jan 19 11:54
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schestowitz	"I'm one of those affected :("	Jan 19 11:54
schestowitz	These things can result in many users never returning, as identica found out after a month of technical issues following a poorly-executed upgrade	Jan 19 11:55
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MinceR	geekings	Jan 19 12:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Leftovers http://t.co/F7jrBmJZUH	Jan 19 12:56
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh1vq	Jan 19 12:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Adobe's Photoshop Ditched for Krita at French	Jan 19 12:56
TweetTuxMachines	University Due to Lack of Support	Jan 19 12:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/VmaDq4QiTM (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 12:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh1vr	Jan 19 12:56
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XFaCE	MinceR: Hello to brazil	Jan 19 14:34
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MinceR	brazil?	Jan 19 14:37
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XFaCE	MinceR: or wherever you live	Jan 19 14:43
MinceR	brazil would be better	Jan 19 14:43
MinceR	i live in orbanistan	Jan 19 14:43
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Sosumi	http://www.macrumors.com/2015/01/19/martin-luther-king-jr-apple-home-page/	Jan 19 16:51
Sosumi	lol, crapple honoring MLK	Jan 19 16:51
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Sosumi	the company that basically has confined your computing to walled garden	Jan 19 16:52
Sosumi	both hardware and software wise	Jan 19 16:52
sebsebseb	Sosumi: how so? :d	Jan 19 17:16
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sebsebseb	How's it going jono ?	Jan 19 18:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines PLANNING FOR FEDORA WORKSTATION 22	Jan 19 21:12
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ldcx9BZe3z (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 21:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh5mj	Jan 19 21:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Will Google Glass 2.0 be the next iPod?	Jan 19 21:12
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/614MoAND4a (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 21:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh5mn	Jan 19 21:12
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MinceR	gn	Jan 19 22:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft Can’t Sell Laptops or Phones	Jan 19 22:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/GNRuxb2drK (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 22:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh69k	Jan 19 22:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What’s new in SUSE LINUX 12?	Jan 19 22:36
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/XPBB5boFLB (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 22:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh69n	Jan 19 22:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Security problems need to be made public: Linus	Jan 19 22:36
TweetTuxMachines	Torvalds http://t.co/DcFABB6C6F	Jan 19 22:36
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 22:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh69o	Jan 19 22:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 5 favorite Raspberry Pi and Arduino projects	Jan 19 23:34
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/65FcbmK9Ay (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 23:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh6od	Jan 19 23:34
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Cinnamon 2.6 to Get Systemd Support	Jan 19 23:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/E8Na3EjD3L (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 23:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh6oe	Jan 19 23:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Analysis Of The Top 10 Linux Distributions Of	Jan 19 23:35
TweetTuxMachines	2014 http://t.co/dW8gxvhZEA	Jan 19 23:35
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 23:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh6of	Jan 19 23:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Could Be the First OS on Planet Mars	Jan 19 23:55
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jdegjDn6gc (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 23:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh6tm	Jan 19 23:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines `ALBERT`: A FAST, LIGHTWEIGHT QUICK LAUNCHER	Jan 19 23:55
TweetTuxMachines	FOR LINUX http://t.co/CtfE263dfR	Jan 19 23:55
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 23:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh6tp	Jan 19 23:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Xfce 0.9.0 Pre1 Shows How Open Source	Jan 19 23:55
TweetTuxMachines	Collaboration Works http://t.co/90Eg1vnt02	Jan 19 23:55
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 23:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh6tq	Jan 19 23:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Unzip Vulnerability Closed in Ubuntu OSes	Jan 20 01:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/GrkCtfeUwa (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 01:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh7f2	Jan 20 01:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Adobe Opens Lightroom's Door to Android	Jan 20 01:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Mkg4WMCN9V (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 01:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh7f4	Jan 20 01:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BeagleBone SBC beefs up Lego Mindstorms EV3	Jan 20 04:46
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/fhE5NJIZJJ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 04:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh8y8	Jan 20 04:46
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft Can’t Sell Laptops or Phones	Jan 20 05:02
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by http://t.co/GNRuxb2drK (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 05:02
TweetTuxMachines	@speedyx2000	Jan 20 05:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh91n	Jan 20 05:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Security problems need to be made public: Linus	Jan 20 05:02
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Torvalds http://t.co/DcFABB6C6F	Jan 20 05:02
TweetTuxMachines	@speedyx2000 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 05:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh91p	Jan 20 05:02
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MinceR	http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/01/17/over-80-percent-of-americans-support-mandatory-labels-on-foods-containing-dna/	Jan 20 06:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com \| Over 80 percent of Americans support “mandatory labels on foods containing DNA” - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/jgseb ]		Jan 20 06:41
DaemonFC	MinceR, I am the 20%!	Jan 20 08:19
DaemonFC	:D	Jan 20 08:19
DaemonFC	Smart smart smart. Smart smart smart smart smart..	Jan 20 08:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Analysis Of The Top 10 Linux Distributions Of	Jan 20 08:36
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by 2014 http://t.co/dW8gxvhZEA	Jan 20 08:36
TweetTuxMachines	@speedyx2000 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 08:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhah3	Jan 20 08:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BeagleBone SBC beefs up Lego Mindstorms EV3	Jan 20 08:36
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Dlqx3Tgqlw (linuxgizmos.com)	Jan 20 08:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhah4	Jan 20 08:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Unzip Vulnerability Closed in Ubuntu OSes	Jan 20 08:36
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhah9	Jan 20 08:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Xfce 0.9.0 Pre1 Shows How Open Source	Jan 20 08:37
TweetTuxMachines	Collaboration Works http://t.co/LJGSZApwRL	Jan 20 08:37
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jan 20 08:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhaha	Jan 20 08:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Could Be the First OS on Planet Mars	Jan 20 08:37
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/dxji1icAkE (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 20 08:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhahb	Jan 20 08:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ALBERT: A FAST, LIGHTWEIGHT QUICK LAUNCHER FOR	Jan 20 08:37
TweetTuxMachines	LINUX http://t.co/YsQJRZ2dRA (www.webupd8.org)	Jan 20 08:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhahi	Jan 20 08:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 5 favorite Raspberry Pi and Arduino projects	Jan 20 08:37
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhahj	Jan 20 08:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Analysis Of The Top 10 Linux Distributions Of	Jan 20 08:37
TweetTuxMachines	2014 http://t.co/mt91O7d1AW	Jan 20 08:37
TweetTuxMachines	(www.everydaylinuxuser.com)	Jan 20 08:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhahk	Jan 20 08:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What’s new in SUSE LINUX 12?	Jan 20 08:37
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhahn	Jan 20 08:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Security problems need to be made public: Linus	Jan 20 08:38
TweetTuxMachines	Torvalds http://t.co/K30yuiIt6r (www.zdnet.com)	Jan 20 08:38
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhaho	Jan 20 08:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Security problems need to be made public: Linus Torvalds \| ZDNet		Jan 20 08:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Will Google Glass 2.0 be the next iPod?	Jan 20 08:38
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/nQp9ENYeZL (jimlynch.com)	Jan 20 08:38
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhahp	Jan 20 08:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jimlynch.com \| Will Google Glass 2.0 be the next iPod? – Jim Lynch		Jan 20 08:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft Can’t Sell Laptops or Phones	Jan 20 08:48
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/BPYf3GhSeC (fossforce.com)	Jan 20 08:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhajs	Jan 20 08:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com \| Microsoft Can't Sell Laptops or Phones \| FOSS Force		Jan 20 08:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines PLANNING FOR FEDORA WORKSTATION 22	Jan 20 08:48
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jKbDcvl1fC (blogs.gnome.org)	Jan 20 08:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhajt	Jan 20 08:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org \| Planning for Fedora Workstation 22 \| Christian Schaller		Jan 20 08:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ideal Backups with zbackup	Jan 20 08:48
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/QalldRHw9A (www.linuxjournal.com)	Jan 20 08:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhaju	Jan 20 08:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxjournal.com \| Ideal Backups with zbackup \| Linux Journal		Jan 20 08:48
*TweetTuxMachines @andreaschriscy favourited '5 favorite Raspberry Pi and Arduino projects https://t.co/NweIMH2H7l'		Jan 20 08:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| Five open hardware projects \| Opensource.com		Jan 20 08:48
*TweetTuxMachines @andreaschriscy favourited 'BeagleBone SBC beefs up Lego Mindstorms EV3 http://t.co/Dlqx3Tgqlw'		Jan 20 08:50
*TweetTuxMachines @andreaschriscy favourited 'BeagleBone SBC beefs up Lego Mindstorms EV3 http://t.co/fhE5NJIZJJ'		Jan 20 08:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| BeagleBone SBC beefs up Lego Mindstorms EV3		Jan 20 08:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| BeagleBone SBC beefs up Lego Mindstorms EV3 \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 08:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines PhotoQt Image Viewer Reached 1.2, Dozens Added	Jan 20 09:29
TweetTuxMachines	Features http://t.co/8Vlt1bfcaC	Jan 20 09:29
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxarena.com)	Jan 20 09:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhau0	Jan 20 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxarena.com \| PhotoQt Image Viewer Reached 1.2, Dozens Added Features \| TuxArena		Jan 20 09:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Keep your Diary on Linux with RedNoteBook	Jan 20 09:29
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/SDrIKfzpHU (linuxaria.com)	Jan 20 09:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhau1	Jan 20 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxaria.com \| » Linuxaria – Everything about GNU/Linux and Open source Keep your Diary on Linux with RedNoteBook		Jan 20 09:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung set to sell 30 Million Tizen TVs in	Jan 20 09:29
TweetTuxMachines	2015 http://t.co/7V3hvfIpec	Jan 20 09:29
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tizenexperts.com)	Jan 20 09:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhau2	Jan 20 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com \| Samsung set to sell 30 Million Tizen TVs in 2015 - Tizen Experts		Jan 20 09:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Bodhi Linux 3.0.0 RC2 Reloaded	Jan 20 09:34
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/OF1BFBeMQ3	Jan 20 09:34
TweetTuxMachines	(jeffhoogland.blogspot.co.uk)	Jan 20 09:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jeffhoogland.blogspot.co.uk \| Thoughts on Technology: Bodhi Linux 3.0.0 RC2 Reloaded		Jan 20 09:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhave	Jan 20 09:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Could Be the First OS on Planet Mars	Jan 20 09:34
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/dxji1icAkE (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 20 09:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhavf	Jan 20 09:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Could Be the First OS on Planet Mars - Softpedia		Jan 20 09:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora Infrastructure DB dumps	Jan 20 09:34
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/WiAZmtIFXj (www.scrye.com)	Jan 20 09:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhavh	Jan 20 09:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.scrye.com \| Kevin's musings » Fedora Infrastructure DB dumps		Jan 20 09:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23 Likely To Pursue Wayland By Default	Jan 20 09:39
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/edSsIqGpAf (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 20 09:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhawu	Jan 20 09:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Fedora 23 Likely To Pursue Wayland By Default - Phoronix		Jan 20 09:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung set to sell 30 Million Tizen TVs in	Jan 20 09:39
TweetTuxMachines	2015 http://t.co/AF5K0jFsGW	Jan 20 09:39
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 09:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhaww	Jan 20 09:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Samsung set to sell 30 Million Tizen TVs in 2015 \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 09:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Bodhi Founder Returning as Ubuntu Heads to Mars	Jan 20 09:39
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ThxLBfklYL (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 09:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhawy	Jan 20 09:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Bodhi Founder Returning as Ubuntu Heads to Mars \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 09:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23 Likely To Pursue Wayland By Default	Jan 20 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/dU9jY5c6no (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhb2p	Jan 20 10:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Fedora 23 Likely To Pursue Wayland By Default \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Backup files on Linux with FreeFileSync	Jan 20 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/peY5gMFpf3 (linuxaria.com)	Jan 20 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhb2q	Jan 20 10:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxaria.com \| » Linuxaria – Everything about GNU/Linux and Open source Backup files on Linux with FreeFileSync		Jan 20 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Makulu Cinnamon 2.0 is Live !	Jan 20 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/yfZ32MeKZR (makululinux.com)	Jan 20 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhb2s	Jan 20 10:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-makululinux.com \| Makulu Cinnamon 2.0 is Live ! \| MakuluLinux		Jan 20 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro 0.8.11 - The lonely goatherd	Jan 20 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/lYbSwjGMBE (www.dedoimedo.com)	Jan 20 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhb2t	Jan 20 10:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dedoimedo.com \| Manjaro 0.8.11 - The lonely goatherd		Jan 20 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A Proposal To Go 64-bit Only With Fedora 23	Jan 20 10:22
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ivQGNmlJ3t (www.phoronix.com) a	Jan 20 10:22
TweetTuxMachines	rather terrible idea, see comments	Jan 20 10:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhb83	Jan 20 10:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| A Proposal To Go 64-bit Only With Fedora 23 - Phoronix		Jan 20 10:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Mint 17.1 "Rebecca" KDE Review: The Best	Jan 20 10:22
TweetTuxMachines	KDE spin I have used! http://t.co/4B13xFQFgK	Jan 20 10:22
TweetTuxMachines	(mylinuxexplore.blogspot.co.uk)	Jan 20 10:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mylinuxexplore.blogspot.co.uk \| Linuxed - Exploring Linux distros: Linux Mint 17.1 "Rebecca" KDE Review: The Best KDE spin I have used!		Jan 20 10:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhb84	Jan 20 10:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Many Linux Desktop 2D Benchmarks Of NVIDIA vs.	Jan 20 10:22
TweetTuxMachines	AMD Drivers http://t.co/PKxgQR0iVm	Jan 20 10:22
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jan 20 10:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhb85	Jan 20 10:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Many Linux Desktop 2D Benchmarks Of NVIDIA vs. AMD Drivers - Phoronix		Jan 20 10:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Makulu Cinnamon 2.0 is Live !	Jan 20 10:22
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/dmHQ1BeCVw (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 10:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhb89	Jan 20 10:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Makulu Cinnamon 2.0 is Live ! \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 10:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro 0.8.11 - The lonely goatherd	Jan 20 10:22
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/0q2MNChxOX (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 10:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhb8c	Jan 20 10:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Manjaro 0.8.11 - The lonely goatherd \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 10:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A Proposal To Go 64-bit Only With Fedora 23	Jan 20 10:22
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ZSc1fSlV8b (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 10:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhb8d	Jan 20 10:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| A Proposal To Go 64-bit Only With Fedora 23 \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 10:22
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5456127	Jan 20 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Ubuntu Could Be the First OS on Planet Mars http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-Could-Be-the-First-OS-on-MARS-470491.shtml #ubuntu #gnu #linux		Jan 20 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Could Be the First OS on Planet Mars - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/jhbj2 ]		Jan 20 11:18
schestowitz	"To infinity and beyond..."	Jan 20 11:18
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bbyfield/status/556944556441088000	Jan 20 11:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bbyfield: You could tell the effort was like pulling teeth, but #techrights actually grudgingly approved of something I wrote. Now, I'm worried.		Jan 20 11:19
schestowitz	Bruce, I link to many of your articles (almost all) and agree with most. I'm surprised you didn't notice.	Jan 20 11:20
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/556597518327640065	Jan 20 11:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gnutelephony: http://t.co/sgBJ5IqHKU no, never... my response unchanged http://t.co/t66J7QQqFD @mosayk28 @ioerror @NYCJulieNYC @brendanorrell @leashless		Jan 20 11:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blogs.wsj.com \| Obama Sides with Cameron in Encryption Fight - Digits - WSJ		Jan 20 11:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| GNU Telephony Addresses President Obama \| Techrights		Jan 20 11:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Mint 17.1 "Rebecca" KDE Review: The Best	Jan 20 11:30
TweetTuxMachines	KDE spin I have used! http://t.co/UCWWOW2qaP	Jan 20 11:30
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 11:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhblo	Jan 20 11:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Mint 17.1 "Rebecca" KDE Review: The Best KDE spin I have used! \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 11:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Many Linux Desktop 2D Benchmarks Of NVIDIA vs.	Jan 20 11:30
TweetTuxMachines	AMD Drivers http://t.co/UoKYwjpbWk	Jan 20 11:30
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 11:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhblq	Jan 20 11:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Many Linux Desktop 2D Benchmarks Of NVIDIA vs. AMD Drivers \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 11:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNU Leftovers http://t.co/adRGVKUeAn	Jan 20 11:30
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 11:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhblr	Jan 20 11:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GNU Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 11:30
schestowitz	"Commenting regularly on news in relation to the “unitary patent package” and the remarkable things taking place in this context (cf. my “archive” on http://www.stjerna.de/unitary_patent.htm; some events are not too different from what you know from the EPO..), I have today published on my website the attached article. Part of it addresses possible implications of the recent incidents at the EPO for the further implementation	Jan 20 11:49
schestowitz	of the “unitary patent”."	Jan 20 11:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stjerna.de \| Dr. Ingve Bjrn Stjerna, LL.M. \| "Unitary Patent"		Jan 20 11:49
schestowitz	"	Jan 20 12:05
schestowitz	If possible, use this version of the "request for rectification" which is slightly amended over the one sent earlier.	Jan 20 12:05
schestowitz	Apologies for any confusion caused.	Jan 20 12:05
schestowitz	"	Jan 20 12:05
schestowitz	"This Croatian "request for rectification" - use this version preferably"	Jan 20 12:12
schestowitz	"	Jan 20 12:13
schestowitz	Great article. We enjoyed reading it.	Jan 20 12:13
schestowitz	We attach a copy of a request for rectification which Vesna Stilin has submitted to the Croatian website 45lines.com operated by Zeljko Peratovic.	Jan 20 12:13
schestowitz	Our guess is that Peratovic is unlikely to publish this voluntarily.	Jan 20 12:13
schestowitz	But let's see what happens ...	Jan 20 12:13
schestowitz	"	Jan 20 12:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 20/1/2015: Linux 3.19 RC5, 30 Years of	Jan 20 13:14
TweetTuxMachines	FSF http://t.co/2hKCCtIxVW (techrights.org)	Jan 20 13:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhc6p	Jan 20 13:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 20/1/2015: Linux 3.19 RC5, 30 Years of FSF \| Techrights		Jan 20 13:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Shadow Mapping in Qt3D 2.0	Jan 20 13:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9iqJkjOckj (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 13:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhc6r	Jan 20 13:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Shadow Mapping in Qt3D 2.0 \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 13:14
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Chinedom/status/557515672847384577	Jan 20 13:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Chinedom: @Gon0S @schestowitz What would you say if these despicable Jihadists killed someone from your family but nobody knew & could stop it?		Jan 20 13:23
schestowitz	h https://twitter.com/Gon0S/status/557522005491449856ttps://twitter.com/Gon0S/status/557521540993286144	Jan 20 13:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Gon0S: @Chinedom @schestowitz lol, you're reacting on emotional basis. These new security laws have 0 effect on crazyness, only bigbrother effects		Jan 20 13:24
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Gon0S/status/557522005491449856	Jan 20 13:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Gon0S: @Chinedom @schestowitz and if we have To go on STASI level survey, terrorists win this fucking terror war as we loose our liberty		Jan 20 13:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Screenshots http://t.co/i2iA5iuG4P	Jan 20 14:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 14:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhcht	Jan 20 14:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Screenshots \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 14:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/79mF9741KR	Jan 20 14:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 14:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhchu	Jan 20 14:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 14:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/ftJ0DupYhd	Jan 20 14:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 14:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhchw	Jan 20 14:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 14:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/JiSilT8gjk	Jan 20 14:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 14:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhchx	Jan 20 14:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 14:07
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Gon0S/status/557528492980850688 https://twitter.com/Gon0S/status/557528674745196545 https://twitter.com/Gon0S/status/557529274702635009	Jan 20 17:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Gon0S: @Chinedom @schestowitz putting an cybernetic cop behind every citizen will give you security ? 1/3		Jan 20 17:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Gon0S: @Chinedom @schestowitz 2/3, terrorists will use alternative ways to achieve their horrors, you can be sure of this		Jan 20 17:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Gon0S: @Chinedom @schestowitz 3/3 we will be jailed, politicians and elite will be able to make their shit business without any fears. Sweet !		Jan 20 17:27
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/nyakasanga/status/557558350054162432	Jan 20 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nyakasanga: @schestowitz not 2000 but 150 as #Nigerian authorities declare. If info is unclear what to protest ...		Jan 20 17:28
schestowitz	Even if that was 150 (which I doubt, maybe damage control), it should be huge news	Jan 20 17:28
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ioerror/status/557388027295588352	Jan 20 17:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ioerror: Terrorism is brutal beyond all comparison: https://t.co/cIOFmn3379 https://t.co/D08dT9eUaI		Jan 20 17:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com \| ★ Shock and Awe the initial bombing of baghdad ★ - YouTube		Jan 20 17:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com \| "Shock and Awe" The Beginning of the 2003 Invasion of Iraq (CNN Live Coverage) - YouTube		Jan 20 17:33
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/nyakasanga/status/557591256071946243 https://twitter.com/nyakasanga/status/557592967603818496	Jan 20 17:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nyakasanga: @schestowitz life has little value in Africa . Unfortunately the outside world cares more for Africans that their own leaders and elite do.		Jan 20 17:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nyakasanga: @schestowitz only exceptions are Kagame, Ramgoolam, and Khama.		Jan 20 17:50
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wyl13m	Hey guy anybody got an idea for a Pear OS replacement	Jan 20 17:54
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schestowitz	There;s the successor, Pearl	Jan 20 18:03
MinceR	he's gone :>	Jan 20 18:03
schestowitz	I know, but I wanted to state it for the record	Jan 20 18:14
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Sosumi	just wondering	Jan 20 18:31
Sosumi	is btrfs finally safe for deployment?	Jan 20 18:31
MinceR	afaict no	Jan 20 18:36
MinceR	then again i pretty much gave up on it when a btrfs that wasn't even old died on my usb flash drive	Jan 20 18:36
MinceR	probably in 2014	Jan 20 18:36
schestowitz	I would not touch btrfs myself	Jan 20 18:39
schestowitz	not just yet	Jan 20 18:39
schestowitz	not just because it's oracle	Jan 20 18:39
schestowitz	maybe on a test box I would	Jan 20 18:39
schestowitz	SUSE, IIRC, uses it for one of the partitions now by defauly	Jan 20 18:39
MinceR	suse is crap, though	Jan 20 18:40
schestowitz	it's an insult to crap	Jan 20 18:40
MinceR	:>	Jan 20 18:40
Sosumi	:)	Jan 20 18:41
schestowitz	google suse default btrfs	Jan 20 18:41
schestowitz	!google suse default btrfs	Jan 20 18:41
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - What to expect from Btrfs on openSUSE 13.2? - openSUSE News \| https://news.opensuse.org/2014/11/12/what-to-expect-from-btrfs-on-opensuse-13-2/	Jan 20 18:41
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - openSUSE 13.2 To Use Btrfs By Default, Major Changes - Phoronix \| http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php%3Fpage%3Dnews_item%26px%3DMTYzNjA	Jan 20 18:41
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Why SUSE Likes The Btrfs File-System - Phoronix \| http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php%3Fpage%3Dnews_item%26px%3DMTQ4ODE	Jan 20 18:41
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - OpenSUSE 13.2 To Use Btrfs By Default - Slashdot \| http://hardware-beta.slashdot.org/story/14/03/19/2125243/opensuse-132-to-use-btrfs-by-default	Jan 20 18:41
schestowitz	BTW	Jan 20 18:41
schestowitz	SUSE also was a booster of reiserfs back in the days	Jan 20 18:41
schestowitz	we know how it turned out...	Jan 20 18:41
Sosumi	no idea on that	Jan 20 18:43
Sosumi	but a quick google search says that it was their default until they decided to move to ext3 back in 2006	Jan 20 18:44
MinceR	http://media.giphy.com/media/fvgP4bUxrn2Ug/giphy.gif	Jan 20 18:45
Sosumi	Oburner	Jan 20 18:48
MinceR	:)	Jan 20 18:50
Sosumi	also, just noticed	Jan 20 18:56
Sosumi	there is going to be a M$ event announcing some new features to windows 10	Jan 20 18:57
Sosumi	tomorrow	Jan 20 18:57
Sosumi	what else is M$ going to copy paste from KDE?	Jan 20 18:57
Sosumi	or, lol, apple	Jan 20 18:58
MinceR	also, where else will they force the "browser" almost nobody wants to use?	Jan 20 18:59
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Chinedom/status/557613836950593538 https://twitter.com/Chinedom/status/557614967516848128 https://twitter.com/Gon0S/status/557615633643618308	Jan 20 19:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Chinedom: @Gon0S @schestowitz I hope you are being sincere. Libertarians always end up helping terrorists.		Jan 20 19:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Chinedom: @Gon0S @schestowitz Quite often, terrorists act as libertarians in order to confuse and confound.		Jan 20 19:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Gon0S: @Chinedom @schestowitz so for a few murderers, everybody should be spied by private corps, which have totally other purpose in mind ?		Jan 20 19:31
MinceR	build the global Empire of Humankind or the turrists win!	Jan 20 19:32
MinceR	(never mind that if that happens, the turrists win even harder)	Jan 20 19:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Install/Upgrade Linux Kernel To 3.18.3 Stable	Jan 20 19:47
TweetTuxMachines	In Ubuntu/Linux Mint/Peppermint	Jan 20 19:47
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/6sNF01RBz4 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 19:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhexh	Jan 20 19:47
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Sosumi	ho yes	Jan 20 20:50
Sosumi	they are going to rebrand internet explorer	Jan 20 20:50
MinceR	the "start menu" is now "start page" and is actually internet explorer	Jan 20 20:50
MinceR	the "metro" "apps" are actually internet explorer	Jan 20 20:50
MinceR	and you can run internet explorer in full screen and in a window	Jan 20 20:51
Sosumi	lol, is M$ for real on that?	Jan 20 20:51
MinceR	they are	Jan 20 20:51
Sosumi	facepalm	Jan 20 20:51
MinceR	baffling that they removed active desktop	Jan 20 20:51
MinceR	which was internet explorer... on the desktop	Jan 20 20:51
Sosumi	well, let's wait and see what else is M$ going to show tomorrow	Jan 20 20:54
Sosumi	on comedy day	Jan 20 20:54
Sosumi	:)	Jan 20 20:54
MinceR	maybe they'll merge with red hat	Jan 20 21:04
MinceR	who knows?	Jan 20 21:04
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MinceR	gn	Jan 20 22:50
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cubexyz	I wrote a bit about 'mind pollution'	Jan 21 00:49
cubexyz	http://cubexyz.blogspot.com	Jan 21 00:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cubexyz.blogspot.com \| Notes on Linux		Jan 21 00:49
cubexyz	trying to get tech journalists to write their articles in a platform independent manner	Jan 21 00:51
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cubexyz	msb_, just watched Forbidden Planet :)	Jan 21 04:04
cubexyz	it was pretty good	Jan 21 04:04
msb_	cubexyz: Yep, one of the great pioneering sci-fi movies.	Jan 21 04:05
cubexyz	it seems star trek probably got some inspiration from it	Jan 21 04:06
msb_	How so?	Jan 21 04:06
msb_	I mean, in particular.	Jan 21 04:06
cubexyz	beaming up, ray guns, quasi-military style	Jan 21 04:07
cubexyz	clueless guys getting killed :)	Jan 21 04:07
msb_	The entire sci-fi field is full of cross=fertilization.	Jan 21 04:07
cubexyz	oh definitely	Jan 21 04:07
msb_	Buck Rogers! That's the one I was trying to think of the other day.	Jan 21 04:08
msb_	There's an undercurrent of intelligence in most scifi.	Jan 21 04:09
msb_	Problem solving.	Jan 21 04:09
cubexyz	also "the plastic teacher" reminded me of the teacher from "Spock's Brain"	Jan 21 04:09
msb_	I remember that some aliens stole Spock's brain, but I don't remember a teacher.	Jan 21 04:11
cubexyz	it looked like a helmet...	Jan 21 04:11
cubexyz	you stuck it on your head and got accelerated learning	Jan 21 04:11
cubexyz	oh well, it wasn't one of the better episodes	Jan 21 04:12
msb_	Whenever they encountered something wondeful, Kirk had to destroy it. Like robot bodies for immortality.	Jan 21 04:13
msb_	That was the equation! Existence, survival, must cancel out programming!	Jan 21 04:15
cubexyz	Ted Cassidy :)	Jan 21 04:16
msb_	All he had to do was twist Kirk's neck and the Universe would have been a much better place!	Jan 21 04:16
cubexyz	haha	Jan 21 04:17
cubexyz	got to check out the original Trek on blu-ray someday	Jan 21 04:17
cubexyz	I guess you watched it in it's original run?	Jan 21 04:18
msb_	It's probably in bt.	Jan 21 04:18
msb_	Yep!	Jan 21 04:18
cubexyz	my computers are probably too old for blu-ray	Jan 21 04:18
msb_	You should get one new one.	Jan 21 04:18
cubexyz	I'm doing research on that... I want something really good	Jan 21 04:19
msb_	AMD FX-8350 is a pretty good cpu, and less than $200	Jan 21 04:20
cubexyz	what if I want non-x86? :)	Jan 21 04:21
cubexyz	got to fight the man ya know	Jan 21 04:21
msb_	$170, pricewatch	Jan 21 04:21
msb_	It's AMD. You are fighting the man!	Jan 21 04:22
cubexyz	125 watts is a bit on the piggy side	Jan 21 04:22
msb_	You live in Canada. You need the heat!	Jan 21 04:23
cubexyz	sure, a nice PDP-11/45 would help :)	Jan 21 04:25
msb_	This is going to be your one modern computer. You want 8GB of RAM, too.	Jan 21 04:25
msb_	I researched this. I was going to update my old dual core amd, but then found I can play x265's with mplayer.	Jan 21 04:26
msb_	Nearly saturates both cores, but who cares.	Jan 21 04:26
cubexyz	usually I strive for minimalism	Jan 21 04:26
msb_	The 8350 is 8 cores.	Jan 21 04:27
msb_	This is going to be your ONE modern computer.	Jan 21 04:27
cubexyz	I suppose I should have one	Jan 21 04:27
cubexyz	VIA's got a quadcore cpu now	Jan 21 04:28
msb_	I researched this about 6 months ago. The 8350 is the sweet spot of price/performance.	Jan 21 04:28
cubexyz	really I want good speed but also low wattage	Jan 21 04:29
msb_	Smoke some pot and close your eyes.	Jan 21 04:29
cubexyz	I guess that rules out vacuum tubes :)	Jan 21 04:30
cubexyz	which laptops do you like?	Jan 21 04:30
msb_	Unless they're cold-cathode and nano-sized.	Jan 21 04:31
msb_	Haven't looked into laptops. I don't get out much.	Jan 21 04:31
cubexyz	some of the I3's only use 18 watts	Jan 21 04:32
cubexyz	better than my P3 coppermine	Jan 21 04:32
msb_	I3's ?	Jan 21 04:32
cubexyz	intel i3	Jan 21 04:33
msb_	"<cubexyz> got to fight the man ya know"	Jan 21 04:33
cubexyz	oh, I didn't say I was going to buy it :)	Jan 21 04:33
msb_	You should not contaminate your brain by thinking about it.	Jan 21 04:34
cubexyz	I once asked for a laptop with all standardized parts and I was laughed at	Jan 21 04:34
msb_	There might be some kind of open-source one now.	Jan 21 04:35
cubexyz	I bet in the last 15 years I've spend less money on computers than anyone here	Jan 21 04:36
cubexyz	you wouldn't believe the stuff people throw out	Jan 21 04:37
msb_	Desktops have the best performance per price, and if anything fails you can buy a new one. All the parts cost less than $200 each -- cpu, ram, disk, mobo, case/ps.	Jan 21 04:37
cubexyz	yes, normally that's what I use	Jan 21 04:37
cubexyz	but sometimes I salvage laptops that people don't want	Jan 21 04:38
cubexyz	I fix them up, and put a different OS on each one	Jan 21 04:38
cubexyz		Jan 21 04:40
cubexyz	I just like the older motherboards	Jan 21 04:40
cubexyz	less integration	Jan 21 04:40
msb_	Hey, could you try getting on irc.opensuse.org? It went down for me almost two days ago and I can't get it back. But I haven't restarted Konversation because I didn't want to lose the backscroll.	Jan 21 04:43
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cubexyz	it show be up	Jan 21 04:47
cubexyz	it should be up	Jan 21 04:47
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cubexyz	irc.opensuse.org goes to chat.freenode.net 195.148.124.79 port 6667	Jan 21 04:49
msb_	can you join #suse?	Jan 21 04:49
cubexyz	yes	Jan 21 04:49
cubexyz	and nmap irc.opensuse.org shows all the irc ports are open	Jan 21 04:50
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msb_	ok, I killed its tab and got back in.	Jan 21 04:52
msb_	thanks!	Jan 21 04:52
msb_	.	Jan 21 05:04
msb_	cubexyz: hello?	Jan 21 05:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Advanced Linux Server-Side Threats: How they	Jan 21 07:18
TweetTuxMachines	work and what you can do about them	Jan 21 07:18
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/mubiiUvlNO (www.youtube.com) new	Jan 21 07:18
TweetTuxMachines	talk	Jan 21 07:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New Guide to the Open Cloud: Your Free Primer	Jan 21 07:18
TweetTuxMachines	for 'Cloud' Migration and Web-Scale IT	Jan 21 07:18
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/SxxuaM9naV (www.linux.com)	Jan 21 07:18
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Ni1he1bn5E (www.zdnet.com)	Jan 21 07:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhivc	Jan 21 07:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com \| New Guide to the Open Cloud: Your Free Primer for Cloud Migration and Web-Scale IT \| Linux.com		Jan 21 07:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 9 Android apps that will make iPhone users	Jan 21 07:51
TweetTuxMachines	jealous: utility and customisation apps you	Jan 21 07:51
TweetTuxMachines	just can't get in Apple's ...	Jan 21 07:51
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/eCC1KCLY2o (joindiaspora.com)	Jan 21 07:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhj52	Jan 21 07:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Verde Station, An Adventure Akin To Gone Home	Jan 21 07:51
TweetTuxMachines	Is Coming For Linux http://t.co/HcYuAxMZS2	Jan 21 07:51
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 21 07:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhj55	Jan 21 07:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Verde Station, An Adventure Akin To Gone Home Is Coming For Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 21 07:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Linux Port Of Age Of Wonders III Is	Jan 21 07:52
TweetTuxMachines	Progressing, A Bit Too Explosive Right Now	Jan 21 07:52
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/cnMGeCSGgY (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 21 07:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhj56	Jan 21 07:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| The Linux Port Of Age Of Wonders III Is Progressing, A Bit Too Explosive Right Now \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 21 07:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines #Steam Client Updated, Broadcasting Now Out Of	Jan 21 08:04
TweetTuxMachines	Beta, Still Not For Linux	Jan 21 08:04
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Ao5pU2bpA1 (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 21 08:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhj8f	Jan 21 08:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Steam Client Updated, Broadcasting Now Out Of Beta, Still Not For Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 21 08:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Xonotic 0.8 Is a Fun and Fast Free Arena	Jan 21 08:04
TweetTuxMachines	Multiplayer FPS, Think Modern Quake	Jan 21 08:04
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/xHM5lQdraX (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 08:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhj8g	Jan 21 08:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tizen-based Samsung cameras and round	Jan 21 08:04
TweetTuxMachines	smartwatch leaked http://t.co/sF1CpSDT35	Jan 21 08:04
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhj8h	Jan 21 08:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat’s OpenStack Ambitions Move it Beyond	Jan 21 08:05
TweetTuxMachines	its Linux OS Core http://t.co/WatpIIFFBK	Jan 21 08:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.datacenterknowledge.com)	Jan 21 08:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhj8n	Jan 21 08:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat And Linux Help European Space Agency	Jan 21 08:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/nvEfBDsP9F (news.investors.com)	Jan 21 08:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/pZqXnutSPL (www.marketwatch.com)	Jan 21 08:05
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhj8o	Jan 21 08:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.marketwatch.com \| The European Space Agency Builds A Private Cloud Platform With Red Hat - MarketWatch		Jan 21 08:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Patches Several Security Flaws	Jan 21 08:10
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/wMdmXByV9W (threatpost.com)	Jan 21 08:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ubuntu goes iot http://t.co/xVOfbL8Mk1	Jan 21 08:10
TweetTuxMachines	(siliconangle.com) http://t.co/qwOjhoMjXH	Jan 21 08:10
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TweetTuxMachines	(www.theregister.co.uk) http://t.co/YtIkGS20lO	Jan 21 08:10
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theinquirer.net) http://t.co/5LdWBxq5U7	Jan 21 08:10
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TweetTuxMachines	(www.v3.co.uk) http://t.co/7p0kXbn638	Jan 21 08:10
TweetTuxMachines	(www.forbes.com)	Jan 21 08:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Getting Linux Adopted and Fedora 22 Previewed	Jan 21 08:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/lwkLGMAzY2 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 08:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjah	Jan 21 08:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Thunderbird 31.4.0 Lands in Ubuntu Repos	Jan 21 08:11
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjai	Jan 21 08:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tizen-based Samsung cameras and round	Jan 21 08:11
TweetTuxMachines	smartwatch leaked http://t.co/sBguVhsbaR	Jan 21 08:11
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 08:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjal	Jan 21 08:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat’s OpenStack Ambitions Move it Beyond	Jan 21 08:17
TweetTuxMachines	its Linux OS Core http://t.co/Klx1XpgNvH	Jan 21 08:17
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 08:17
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung hops back on Android bandwagon with	Jan 21 08:17
TweetTuxMachines	printers http://t.co/UGZiWKOpoW (www.zdnet.com)	Jan 21 08:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjc7	Jan 21 08:17
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 4MDoom 11.0 Beta Is a Distro That Boots Only	Jan 21 08:17
TweetTuxMachines	into a Doom-Type Game – Gallery	Jan 21 08:17
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Wayland porting – the endgame	Jan 21 08:19
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/PkfIqUo7c8 (blogs.gnome.org)	Jan 21 08:19
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjde	Jan 21 08:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Shadow Warrior Looks Like It Will Come To Linux	Jan 21 08:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/1H39wykNGR (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 21 08:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung hops back on Android bandwagon with	Jan 21 09:01
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TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 09:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Cutegram: A Better Telegram Client For	Jan 21 09:01
TweetTuxMachines	GNU/Linux http://t.co/W3noK5bj8q	Jan 21 09:01
TweetTuxMachines	(www.unixmen.com)	Jan 21 09:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "A huge milestone on the way to making	Jan 21 09:18
TweetTuxMachines	#NetworkManager more cooperative, more	Jan 21 09:18
TweetTuxMachines	flexible, more configurable"	Jan 21 09:18
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/wK7MBGktq8 (blogs.gnome.org)	Jan 21 09:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjuo	Jan 21 09:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org \| The Whole Damn World Takes Effect to NetworkManager 1.0 « Dan Williams’ blog		Jan 21 09:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Good visual review of what's new in Android	Jan 21 09:18
TweetTuxMachines	5.0.x Lollipop http://t.co/6xZFkKDkMg	Jan 21 09:18
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gottabemobile.com) a mixed bag in my	Jan 21 09:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gottabemobile.com \| Nexus 7 2012 Android 5.0.2 Update Review (Early)		Jan 21 09:18
TweetTuxMachines	experience..	Jan 21 09:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjup	Jan 21 09:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Chzo Mythos And Other Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw	Jan 21 09:18
TweetTuxMachines	Games Updated For Linux http://t.co/tvntwrOihJ	Jan 21 09:18
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 21 09:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjuq	Jan 21 09:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| The Chzo Mythos And Other Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw Games Updated For Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 21 09:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Top 10 Facts You Need to Know before Rooting	Jan 21 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	Your Android Smartphone http://t.co/LiooCCmBNL	Jan 21 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.ibtimes.co.in)	Jan 21 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjxu	Jan 21 09:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.co.in \| Top 10 Facts You Need to Know before Rooting Your Android Smartphone		Jan 21 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Banner Saga RPG Looks Close To A Linux	Jan 21 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	Version	Jan 21 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/3ab4kgPN2I (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 21 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjxv	Jan 21 09:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| The Banner Saga RPG Looks Close To A Linux Version \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 21 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The current state of video editing for Linux	Jan 21 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/cgIc5xIkOl (opensource.com)	Jan 21 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjxw	Jan 21 09:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| 6 free and open source video editing tools \| Opensource.com		Jan 21 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Linux founder Linus Torvalds' latest run-in	Jan 21 09:33
TweetTuxMachines	with the sensitivity police."	Jan 21 09:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/vk2zd3kBWz (www.infoworld.com)	Jan 21 09:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjzs	Jan 21 09:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infoworld.com \| In open source, no one cares if you're a dog		Jan 21 09:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MakuluLinux 6 Cinnamon Distro Is a Great White	Jan 21 09:34
TweetTuxMachines	Shark – Gallery http://t.co/fUnz457RPU	Jan 21 09:34
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 09:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| MakuluLinux 6 Cinnamon Distro Is a Great White Shark – Gallery - Softpedia		Jan 21 09:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjzt	Jan 21 09:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New #Manjaro 0.8.11 Update Brings Better	Jan 21 09:34
TweetTuxMachines	Package Manager, Firefox 35, and More	Jan 21 09:34
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/uOT9SyNrWz (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 09:34
TweetTuxMachines	some screenshots from the new release	Jan 21 09:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| New Manjaro 0.8.11 Update Brings Better Package Manager, Firefox 35, and More - Softpedia		Jan 21 09:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjzu	Jan 21 09:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Keith Packard Leaves Intel's Linux Graphics	Jan 21 09:45
TweetTuxMachines	Work http://t.co/hQ5sS8ZY7X (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 21 09:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhk3z	Jan 21 09:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Keith Packard Leaves Intel's Linux Graphics Work - Phoronix		Jan 21 09:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 22 Will Aim To Use Plasma 5 For Its KDE	Jan 21 09:46
TweetTuxMachines	Desktop Experience http://t.co/6ocrBwk2To	Jan 21 09:46
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jan 21 09:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Fedora 22 Will Aim To Use Plasma 5 For Its KDE Desktop Experience - Phoronix		Jan 21 09:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhk40	Jan 21 09:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Software documents Linux activity live	Jan 21 09:46
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/s50jVtbWos	Jan 21 09:46
TweetTuxMachines	(www.electronicsweekly.com)	Jan 21 09:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhk42	Jan 21 09:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.electronicsweekly.com \| Software documents Linux activity live \| Electronics Weekly		Jan 21 09:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Song Of The Myrne: What Lies Beneath, A Pixel	Jan 21 09:58
TweetTuxMachines	Graphic RPG Adventure Now On Steam For Linux	Jan 21 09:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/uvBssHQcZX (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 21 09:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhk7h	Jan 21 09:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Song Of The Myrne: What Lies Beneath, A Pixel Graphic RPG Adventure Now On Steam For Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 21 09:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines STAR WARS: DARK FORCES, Now On Linux Thanks To	Jan 21 09:58
TweetTuxMachines	GOG http://t.co/MLudm8A2ar	Jan 21 09:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 21 09:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhk7j	Jan 21 09:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| STAR WARS: DARK FORCES, Now On Linux Thanks To GOG \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 21 09:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Penguin high-flyers: Andrew Tridgell on the	Jan 21 09:58
TweetTuxMachines	Linux autopilot http://t.co/4FqjA7SyGR	Jan 21 09:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theregister.co.uk)	Jan 21 09:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Penguin high-flyers: Andrew Tridgell on the Linux autopilot • The Register		Jan 21 09:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhk7l	Jan 21 09:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Secret to Desktop Linux Adoption	Jan 21 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jP0gouapun (www.datamation.com)	Jan 21 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhka8	Jan 21 10:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datamation.com \| Secret to Desktop Linux Adoption - Datamation		Jan 21 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines HandyLinux 1.8 Is an Exciting Debian and	Jan 21 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	Xfce-Based Distro, Ditches Windows Feel	Jan 21 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ccjz5lY4pO (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhka9	Jan 21 10:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| HandyLinux 1.8 Is an Exciting Debian and Xfce-Based Distro, Ditches Windows Feel - Softpedia		Jan 21 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Thunderbird 31.4.0 Lands in Ubuntu Repos	Jan 21 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/YWvhDifRUy (linux.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhkaa	Jan 21 10:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Thunderbird 31.4.0 Lands in Ubuntu Repos - Softpedia		Jan 21 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Getting Linux Adopted and Fedora 22 Previewed	Jan 21 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ghfysSQKo3 (ostatic.com)	Jan 21 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhkab	Jan 21 10:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft Is Taking a Beating from	Jan 21 11:52
TweetTuxMachines	Linux-Powered Chromebooks	Jan 21 11:52
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Np4ywjkIF7 (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 11:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhl5u	Jan 21 11:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Microsoft Is Taking a Beating from Linux-Powered Chromebooks - Softpedia		Jan 21 11:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft Is Trying and Failing at Converging	Jan 21 11:52
TweetTuxMachines	Platforms, Ubuntu Does It Right	Jan 21 11:52
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/sDZSlkQkUu (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 11:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhl5v	Jan 21 11:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Microsoft Is Trying and Failing at Converging Platforms, Ubuntu Does It Right - Softpedia		Jan 21 11:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Penguin high-flyers: Andrew Tridgell on the	Jan 21 12:31
TweetTuxMachines	Linux autopilot http://t.co/DAtOqAcc5W	Jan 21 12:31
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 12:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhlgp	Jan 21 12:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Penguin high-flyers: Andrew Tridgell on the Linux autopilot \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 12:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Secret to Desktop Linux Adoption	Jan 21 12:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/NyiPhNoqrF (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 12:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhlgq	Jan 21 12:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Secret to Desktop Linux Adoption \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 12:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Leftovers http://t.co/nVH8gm3wMp	Jan 21 12:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 12:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhlgr	Jan 21 12:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 12:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Top 10 Facts You Need to Know before Rooting	Jan 21 15:29
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Your Android Smartphone http://t.co/LiooCCmBNL	Jan 21 15:29
TweetTuxMachines	@speedyx2000 (www.ibtimes.co.in)	Jan 21 15:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhmvz	Jan 21 15:29
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*TweetTuxMachines @awintory favourited 'The Banner Saga RPG Looks Close To A...'		Jan 21 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Proxmox Releases Mail Security Platform Based	Jan 21 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	on Debian Linux http://t.co/g2deSDtMJ9	Jan 21 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	(thevarguy.com)	Jan 21 17:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhntj	Jan 21 17:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thevarguy.com \| Proxmox Releases Mail Security Platform Based on Debian Linux \| Open Source Application Software Companies content from The VAR Guy		Jan 21 17:09
Sosumi	M$'s keynote is on	Jan 21 17:15
Sosumi	M$ just now	Jan 21 17:16
Sosumi	"Second, trust. People care about their privacy. So do we. You are our customer, not our product."	Jan 21 17:16
Sosumi	cough skype	Jan 21 17:16
Sosumi	cough unfixed bugs/backdoors	Jan 21 17:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux System Engineer Jean-Roch Rossi Advanced	Jan 21 17:18
TweetTuxMachines	His Career With Practice, Certification	Jan 21 17:18
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/7o2GbigWtL (www.linux.com)	Jan 21 17:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhnx0	Jan 21 17:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com \| Linux System Engineer Jean-Roch Rossi Advanced His Career With Practice, Certification \| Linux.com		Jan 21 17:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 22 Will Aim To Use Plasma 5 For Its KDE	Jan 21 17:19
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Desktop Experience http://t.co/6ocrBwk2To	Jan 21 17:19
TweetTuxMachines	@_Hjorth (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 21 17:19
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhnx3	Jan 21 17:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Fedora 22 Will Aim To Use Plasma 5 For Its KDE Desktop Experience - Phoronix		Jan 21 17:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LCA Q and A leads to abusive Twitter attack on	Jan 21 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	Torvalds http://t.co/78JbLlm9tv	Jan 21 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	(www.itwire.com) 2 trolls in the Q and A	Jan 21 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	handing over bait	Jan 21 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jho2k	Jan 21 17:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itwire.com \| iTWire - LCA Q and A leads to abusive Twitter attack on Torvalds		Jan 21 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Reading about Torvalds' words is one thing.	Jan 21 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	Days later the video came out. People should	Jan 21 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	see the context in which he said what he said.	Jan 21 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jho2m	Jan 21 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Torvalds loses either way; the trolls want him	Jan 21 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	to become LKML #police (collective	Jan 21 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	accountability), others chastising him for	Jan 21 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	being too rude	Jan 21 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jho2o	Jan 21 17:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 21/1/2015: Andrew Tridgell, Torvalds	Jan 21 17:48
TweetTuxMachines	Being Baited http://t.co/OvZHcRB9uu	Jan 21 17:48
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Jan 21 17:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jho88	Jan 21 17:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 21/1/2015: Andrew Tridgell, Torvalds Being Baited \| Techrights		Jan 21 17:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux System Engineer Jean-Roch Rossi Advanced	Jan 21 17:48
TweetTuxMachines	His Career With Practice, Certification	Jan 21 17:48
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ApHMxYss3Y (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 17:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jho8b	Jan 21 17:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux System Engineer Jean-Roch Rossi Advanced His Career With Practice, Certification \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 17:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LCA Q and A leads to abusive Twitter attack on	Jan 21 17:48
TweetTuxMachines	Torvalds http://t.co/ds3LnE2SaY	Jan 21 17:48
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 17:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jho8g	Jan 21 17:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| LCA Q and A leads to abusive Twitter attack on Torvalds \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 17:48
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Sosumi	http://kotaku.com/putin-looks-disappointed-with-russias-latest-robot-1680839260	Jan 21 18:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kotaku.com \| Putin Looks Disappointed With Russia's Latest Robot [ http://ur1.ca/jhour ]		Jan 21 18:49
Sosumi	have to laugh	Jan 21 18:49
Sosumi	robot is remotely controled btw	Jan 21 18:51
Sosumi	but why didn't they just cope the design of the c&c avatar warmech	Jan 21 18:52
Sosumi	*copy	Jan 21 18:52
Sosumi	fail	Jan 21 18:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/KFylCizvhu	Jan 21 19:14
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 19:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhp3q	Jan 21 19:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 19:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/dyJhG6YVzR	Jan 21 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhp3t	Jan 21 19:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/yTLnJmS3TF	Jan 21 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhp3z	Jan 21 19:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Thunderbird 31.4.0 Release With Several Bug	Jan 21 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	Fixes http://t.co/tVSlDgmxwx	Jan 21 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhp40	Jan 21 19:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Thunderbird 31.4.0 Release With Several Bug Fixes \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines City of Arnhem aims to increase open source use	Jan 21 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/CU3tWAly5w (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhp42	Jan 21 19:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| City of Arnhem aims to increase open source use \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KWin on speed http://t.co/VMJYbuI41t	Jan 21 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhp44	Jan 21 19:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KWin on speed \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 19:15
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5463247	Jan 21 19:27
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 19:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Torvalds loses either way; the trolls want him to become LKML #police (collective accountability), others chastising him for being too rude		Jan 21 19:27
schestowitz	I get where he's coming from, but it's still a poor excuse, and a sloppily handled one at that. He doesn't have to bow down to anybody to be a little bit nicer. Half of the things he says are doused in complete vitriol.	Jan 21 19:27
schestowitz	I don't hate Linus; I recognize his contribution to technology is a sizeable one. But the guy has an ego the size of a planet, and cuts people down for completely trivial reasons, driving away potential contributors in the process. He's a good developer, but perhaps not a very good ambassador.	Jan 21 19:27
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 19:27
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sebsebseb	schestowitz: which mobile phone network are you with and why?	Jan 21 19:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Proxmox Releases Mail Security Platform Based	Jan 21 19:59
TweetTuxMachines	on Debian Linux http://t.co/q2SAiMZ1JR	Jan 21 19:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 19:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhpi2	Jan 21 19:59
*TweetTuxMachines @michaelgold favourited 'City of Arnhem aims to increase open source...'		Jan 21 19:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines University’s Virtual Reality Setup Runs on	Jan 21 20:00
TweetTuxMachines	Linux and Open Source Software	Jan 21 20:00
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/bbWfKPbSu1 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 20:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhpi5	Jan 21 20:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| University’s Virtual Reality Setup Runs on Linux and Open Source Software \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 20:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Smart Cars are the New Smart Phone	Jan 21 20:00
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/92ACxITj0T (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 20:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhpi7	Jan 21 20:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Smart Cars are the New Smart Phone \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 20:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Firefox enters the realm of virtual reality	Jan 21 20:00
TweetTuxMachines	with the Oculus Rift http://t.co/WjNdjhCZCY	Jan 21 20:00
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 20:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhpi8	Jan 21 20:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Firefox enters the realm of virtual reality with the Oculus Rift \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 20:00
*TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'University’s Virtual Reality Setup Runs on Linux and...'		Jan 21 20:03
*TweetTuxMachines @virtkick favourited 'Proxmox Releases Mail Security Platform Based on Debian...'		Jan 21 20:43
*TweetTuxMachines @virtkick favourited 'Proxmox Releases Mail Security Platform Based on Debian...'		Jan 21 20:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel's Open-Source Graphics Team Poaches A Top	Jan 21 20:43
TweetTuxMachines	Nouveau Driver Developer http://t.co/YfkeedYaaV	Jan 21 20:43
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 20:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhpvk	Jan 21 20:43
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Stellarium 0.13.2 Is a Premium Planetarium App	Jan 21 21:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What the heck are Ubuntu Unity's Scopes?	Jan 21 21:33
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cubexyz	I don't agree with this disparaging of 32-bit kernels	Jan 21 22:48
cubexyz	only supporting latest and greatest is a Microsoft flaw	Jan 21 22:49
abeNd-org	meh, most server side products are x64 only anyways	Jan 21 22:51
abeNd-org	heck even fedora is going x64 only	Jan 21 22:52
abeNd-org	there will always be tiny/puppy x86 friendly distros out there, so no big deal	Jan 21 22:52
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sebsebseb	hi	Jan 22 09:01
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Jan 22 09:55
DaemonFC	Just now ·	Jan 22 09:55
DaemonFC	112,386.	Jan 22 09:55
DaemonFC	That's the number of frelling idiots that bought this and probably believed it word-for-word.	Jan 22 09:55
DaemonFC	And does anyone want to guess who they vote for?	Jan 22 09:55
DaemonFC	http://www.alternet.org/belief/10-year-old-author-bestselling-christian-book-admits-he-never-actually-came-back-heaven	Jan 22 09:55
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DaemonFC	There we go. Paid six months car insurance and next month's cable internet and cell phone bills.	Jan 22 10:34
*DaemonFC tries to pay some of the monthly surplus forward.		Jan 22 10:34
DaemonFC	And the freezer is fully stocked again. B-)	Jan 22 10:35
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schestowitz	>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11360204/Gamergate-Zoe-Quinn-launches-anti-harrassment-support-network.html	Jan 22 11:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.telegraph.co.uk \| Gamergate: Zoe Quinn launches anti harrassment support network - Telegraph [ http://ur1.ca/jhs6n ]		Jan 22 11:47
schestowitz	>>> >>	Jan 22 11:47
schestowitz	>>> >> For those who didn't follow it first time around. The article is	Jan 22 11:47
schestowitz	>>> >> probably part of a larger, orchestrated attack now.	Jan 22 11:47
schestowitz	>> >	Jan 22 11:47
schestowitz	>> > I am still now quite following the whole history of it, having read	Jan 22 11:47
schestowitz	>> > Wikipedia about it. I think that many people who write about it don't	Jan 22 11:47
schestowitz	>> > understand it either. To be frank, it's outside my scope of interest	Jan 22 11:47
schestowitz	>> > simply because there's so much politics and history there that I can't	Jan 22 11:47
schestowitz	>> > quite follow it and make informed statements.	Jan 22 11:47
schestowitz	> I'm mostly ignoring it now and I ignored it completely the first time	Jan 22 11:48
schestowitz	> around because there was so much noise and disinformation that it was	Jan 22 11:48
schestowitz	> hard to get to the bottom. I speculate now that it is brought up again	Jan 22 11:48
schestowitz	> to make a more general "case" against FOSS as one step in the in the	Jan 22 11:48
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schestowitz	> larger attack against Torvalds. It would be good to know if she was	Jan 22 11:48
schestowitz	> really a developer or not. It might turn up again though and then I'll	Jan 22 11:48
schestowitz	> have to dig into it to see what facts can be found.	Jan 22 11:48
schestowitz	>	Jan 22 11:48
schestowitz	> One aspect to it is that Poettering has heavily used sjw to push systemd	Jan 22 11:48
schestowitz	> and to get some noisy people to completely ignore the technical side to	Jan 22 11:48
schestowitz	> it. Otherwise it would have made more sense for the sjw crowd to fork	Jan 22 11:48
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schestowitz	> their own kernel rather than rail on Torvalds.	Jan 22 11:48
schestowitz	i don't agree. Gamergate was never about FOSS and hardly relates to it in any way. The Lennux angle is mostly exploiting homophobia, not women. Also, what we need to watch out for when it comes to media manipulation at the moment is the Vista 10 BS that even FOSS sites were led into covering, inc. gimmicks :)	Jan 22 11:48
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schestowitz	http://fossforce.com/2015/01/update-slight-setback-for-ken/	Jan 22 11:56
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Sosumi	http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/hands-on-with-hololens-making-the-virtual-real/	Jan 22 16:12
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Sosumi	so magical that even turns a turd (windows 10) into gold	Jan 22 16:13
XFaCE	Sosumi: did Roy cover that yet?	Jan 22 16:16
Sosumi	no idea	Jan 22 16:16
Sosumi	my connection went down without me noticing it	Jan 22 16:17
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DaemonFC	Seen on Facebook (mocking the Republican reply to the SoTU): "Hello. My party destroyed the economy and I castrate animals. Thank you and goodnight.".	Jan 22 18:31
MinceR	imagine if she castrated humans	Jan 22 18:46
MinceR	the fundies would be all up in arms	Jan 22 18:46
MinceR	Sosumi: from inside the Arse Magica, everything microsoft looks like gold.	Jan 22 18:48
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MinceR	oops, i meant Arse Technica	Jan 22 19:28
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Sosumi	:)	Jan 22 19:43
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DaemonFC	I wonder what's going on with the free Windows 10 thing. They announced that and their stock immediately fell.	Jan 22 20:11
DaemonFC	Looks like it recovered though.	Jan 22 20:13
DaemonFC	They never made much money off of upgrade licenses anyway, because most people never upgrade.	Jan 22 20:13
DaemonFC	Most people keep the version of Windows that the PC came with for as long as they use that PC.	Jan 22 20:14
XFaCE	DaemonFC: copying apple?	Jan 22 20:20
DaemonFC	Perhaps.	Jan 22 20:22
DaemonFC	Still, it should piss off everyone that paid for the Windows 8.x upgrade since they're giving Windows 10 to Windows 7 users as well.	Jan 22 20:24
DaemonFC	Basically, it means you could have just stuck to Windows 7 and waited them out without going insane.	Jan 22 20:25
DaemonFC	http://wonkette.com/573370/childrens-treasury-times-that-fox-news-screwed-the-reality-pooch	Jan 22 20:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wonkette.com \| 23 Times Fox News Sh*t The Bed, You Are Welcome \| Wonkette [ http://ur1.ca/ji28b ]		Jan 22 20:26
MinceR	or you could just have upgraded to GNU/Linux	Jan 22 20:32
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MinceR	"did i turn off the gas?" https://33.media.tumblr.com/7ac3ba4baf30160ee43f00f319e00d74/tumblr_nijw3p2UDg1rc7lcoo1_400.gif	Jan 22 22:29
msb_	http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine/5371554	Jan 22 22:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca \| The U.S. has Installed a Neo-Nazi Government in Ukraine \| Global Research [ http://ur1.ca/ji3em ]		Jan 22 22:31
MinceR	http://www.rem870.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/putler.jpg	Jan 22 22:32
MinceR	gn	Jan 22 22:35
msb_	Total lie, since it was Obomber who installed the Nazis in Ukraine.	Jan 22 22:35
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MinceR	yeah, the totalitarian dictator who is in cahoots with the church and controls the oligarchs in russia is totally not a nazi	Jan 22 22:36
msb_	But the US/UK media are dedicated to forgetting that.	Jan 22 22:36
MinceR	also, it's impossible for nazis to oppose each other	Jan 22 22:36
msb_	MinceR: I think it's impossible for you to think accurately about Putin.	Jan 22 22:37
MinceR	good thing we have you around, then	Jan 22 22:37
msb_	You don't have to believe me, read http://www.globalresearch.ca	Jan 22 22:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca \| Global Research		Jan 22 22:39
MinceR	you're like the people in hungary who believe that since the mszp government did a few bad things, from this automatically follows that fidesz is the purest force for good ever	Jan 22 22:39
MinceR	yeah, i could read RT, too	Jan 22 22:39
MinceR	or Pravda	Jan 22 22:39
msb_	That's called a Straw Man argument.	Jan 22 22:40
msb_	http://www.globalresearch.ca is not biased.	Jan 22 22:40
MinceR	people in general seem to have difficulty understanding that more than one faction may mean harm to them	Jan 22 22:40
MinceR	see also: m$ is bad, therefore crApple is my savior; and vice versa	Jan 22 22:41
msb_	Putin and Russia have done far more good, and far less harm than the U.S., by opposing the U.S. in the last 15 years, which has murdered 2M people and destroyed several nations.	Jan 22 22:42
MinceR	yeah, i've seen how much good russia has done	Jan 22 22:42
MinceR	i'm a victim of that "good"	Jan 22 22:42
MinceR	if you love putler so much, why don't you move to russia?	Jan 22 22:43
msb_	The US/UK/Israel is a terrible fascist force, and it's necessary to oppose it. BRICS is doing that.	Jan 22 22:43
MinceR	good thing putler isn't... oh, wait	Jan 22 22:43
msb_	MinceR: how are you a victim of russia.	Jan 22 22:43
msb_	?	Jan 22 22:43
MinceR	in many ways	Jan 22 22:43
msb_	name the top 3	Jan 22 22:43
MinceR	they oppressed me and my family, their flunkies stole from my family	Jan 22 22:44
msb_	are they doing that now?	Jan 22 22:44
MinceR	they wrecked the economy of hungary so hard it will never recover (though not recovering is not all their fault)	Jan 22 22:44
MinceR	they are, in cahoots with orban	Jan 22 22:44
msb_	how?	Jan 22 22:44
MinceR	for example, via a deal that puts a huge long-term debt on hungary towards russia and a huge dependency on russia for the operation of our nuclear power plant	Jan 22 22:45
msb_	did russia build your power plant?	Jan 22 22:45
MinceR	not sure	Jan 22 22:46
MinceR	this is about some new blocks	Jan 22 22:46
msb_	blocks?	Jan 22 22:46
MinceR	reactors and support systems	Jan 22 22:46
msb_	did russia build that?	Jan 22 22:46
MinceR	for which hungary could have run a tender but competition is not welcome here	Jan 22 22:46
MinceR	the old ones use russian technology, but i don't know the details	Jan 22 22:47
MinceR	afaik that deal was somewhat less bound to russia	Jan 22 22:47
MinceR	also, it's nearing EOL	Jan 22 22:47
MinceR	providing a good chance to reduce hungary's dependence on russia	Jan 22 22:48
MinceR	depending on russian gas is bad enough	Jan 22 22:48
MinceR	(they love to play with the tap)	Jan 22 22:48
msb_	why don't you move away from Hungary?	Jan 22 22:49
MinceR	i'm working on it	Jan 22 22:49
msb_	good	Jan 22 22:49
msb_	IIRC the Ukraine Nazi coup govt has instituted an "austerity program". That means robbing the poor/middle and giving to the rich.	Jan 22 22:51
MinceR	good thing there's equality in russia	Jan 22 22:52
MinceR	if you ignore putin, his oligarchs, his friends, ...	Jan 22 22:52
msb_	They also shot down that airliner and tried to blame it on Russia.	Jan 22 22:52
MinceR	just like in the old days, where everyone's equal, if you ignore the inner party	Jan 22 22:52
MinceR	putler had pussy riot imprisoned for insulting his favorite cult	Jan 22 22:53
msb_	That was very stupid.	Jan 22 22:53
MinceR	freedom of speech, russian style	Jan 22 22:53
msb_	He's afraid of pussy!	Jan 22 22:54
msb_	The US started the war of terror by doing 911. It's trying to start WW3 by attacking Russia through Ukraine. Stopping that is the most important thing!	Jan 22 22:55
msb_	Putin is far from perfect, but by resisting the fascist US he is doing the most important thing that can be done.	Jan 22 22:57
msb_	The attacks on Libya and Ukraine show that the US has the intention of continuing its path of destruction from Afghanistan and Iraq.	Jan 22 22:58
msb_	China is also not perfect, but the BRICS nations (there should be a V in there for Venezuela) are the only hope for the survival of humanity.	Jan 22 23:00
msb_	The US is a runaway psychopath force.	Jan 22 23:00
MinceR	yeah, venezuela is so great	Jan 22 23:02
msb_	The two main paradigms for survival are (1) cooperation and kindness and (2) kill everyone around you. (2) is psychopathy and it is in control of the US govt.	Jan 22 23:02
MinceR	especially the part where the government is trying to force prices at which it isn't worth producing anything	Jan 22 23:02
MinceR	orban will do that in hungary too	Jan 22 23:02
MinceR	ooh, please explain how putler cooperates and is kind	Jan 22 23:03
msb_	He is trying to stop, or at least resist, the most dangerous force in the world, which has rampaged and killed 2M people and destroyed several nations since 2001.	Jan 22 23:04
MinceR	the same could be said about the usa as well	Jan 22 23:05
msb_	No, it is the USA that has done those things!	Jan 22 23:05
MinceR	(except the usa did not annex any countries or regions)	Jan 22 23:05
MinceR	well, got to go sleep while you pray to putler	Jan 22 23:05
msb_	It annexed Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Ukraine.	Jan 22 23:06
msb_	MinceR: You are ignoring that -- the murders of TWO MILLION PEOPLE.	Jan 22 23:06
msb_	There was talk above about some connection between Poettering and	Jan 22 23:09
msb_	Gamergate or SJW. Anyone know about that?	Jan 22 23:10
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5469635	Jan 22 23:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: If You Want a Linux-Based Windows Lookalike, Then #Q4OS Is for You http://news.softpedia.com/news/If-You-Want-a-Linux-Based-Windows-Lookalike-then-Q4OS-Is-for-You-470869.shtml #gnu #linux		Jan 22 23:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com \| If You Want a Linux-Based Windows Lookalike, Then Q4OS Is for You - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/ji453 ]		Jan 22 23:26
schestowitz	"Why not? If it makes the step from Windows to Linux a little smaller. :)"	Jan 22 23:26
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5469417	Jan 22 23:27
schestowitz	"	Jan 22 23:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Librem 15, the first free software GNU/Linux laptop, makes funding goal http://www.zdnet.com/article/librem-15-free-software-gnulinux-laptop-makes-funding-goal/ #gnu #linux		Jan 22 23:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com \| Librem 15, the first free software GNU/Linux laptop, makes funding goal \| ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/ji45b ]		Jan 22 23:27
schestowitz	Interesting thread here	Jan 22 23:27
schestowitz	https://trisquel.info/en/forum/librem-15-freelibre-and-open-source-laptop-respects-your-essential-freedoms	Jan 22 23:27
schestowitz	Not likely to get Stallman's approval without libre bios. A Thinkpad with a compatible screen and libreboot is still the only option for your freedom. Rumours that glugglug may have libreboot on an x200 soon.....	Jan 22 23:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-trisquel.info \| Librem 15: A Free/Libre and Open Source Laptop That Respects Your Essential Freedoms \| Trisquel GNU/Linux - Run free! [ http://ur1.ca/j6meu ]		Jan 22 23:27
schestowitz	"	Jan 22 23:27
schestowitz	I think there has already been talk about removing nvidia	Jan 22 23:27
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/rgardler/status/557214252734242816	Jan 22 23:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rgardler: Moodle + Office 365: better together with new MS Open Tech open source plugins for education workflows http://t.co/GdmlO77h2A		Jan 22 23:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> msopentech.com \| Moodle + Office 365: better together with new MS Open Tech open source plugins for education workflows - MS Open Tech		Jan 22 23:34
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/558408115662913536	Jan 22 23:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz @rgardler Ice Tie! BTW, your secondary (internal in http://t.co/1csr7Kw6Nx) citation link doesn't work any more. (Censored?)		Jan 22 23:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Microsoft is Dying Due to Free Software, Tries to Infect GNU/Linux With .NET and to Infect Moodle in Schools With Microsoft Office and OOXML Lock-in \| Techrights		Jan 22 23:45
schestowitz	Which link? I've just checked and all seem to work (external)	Jan 22 23:45
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/pixeldyne/status/558409232081367041	Jan 22 23:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pixeldyne: @schestowitz one day when House Atreides rules them		Jan 22 23:51
DaemonFC	MinceR, Well, Linux always is an escape pod from the Windowsverse.	Jan 22 23:52
DaemonFC	Possibly the best feature is none of that ridiculous Product Activation crap.	Jan 22 23:52
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5469635	Jan 22 23:52
schestowitz	"That is awesome actually. Reminds me of back around windows xp and 98 xD"	Jan 22 23:52
cubexyz	any operating system with full source code and available toolchain can get you out of the "windowsverse"	Jan 22 23:53
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/558410902580781057	Jan 22 23:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz @rgardler The citation link for the Bill Gates quotation.		Jan 22 23:53
schestowitz	Ah, yes, was removed by author, still in other sites	Jan 22 23:53
DaemonFC	I liked Windows a lot better when all it asked for was a serial number.	Jan 22 23:53
cubexyz	I never liked windows, not ever	Jan 22 23:54
schestowitz	Link fixed	Jan 22 23:56
cubexyz	Windows 2.0 was slow, before that, I can't say	Jan 22 23:57
cubexyz	win95 was a crash-o-matic	Jan 22 23:57
cubexyz	Gates probably got to the schools, and that's why we now have the current landscape	Jan 22 23:58
cubexyz	the unix wars didn't help either	Jan 22 23:59
cubexyz	to me the most natural successor to Bell Labs Unix is OpenBSD (or NetBSD or FreeBSD)	Jan 23 00:17
cubexyz	Linux is good too, is just one has to be selective about which distro to use	Jan 23 00:18
cubexyz	s/is/its/	Jan 23 00:18
cubexyz	Tim Paterson _lost_ his defamation law suit against Sir Harold Evans	Jan 23 00:30
cubexyz	Paterson copied the CP/M API, including the first 36 functions	Jan 23 00:31
cubexyz	so that's why you got the C: nonsense in windows	Jan 23 00:32
cubexyz	But Thompson's Unix was the template everyone copied later on	Jan 23 00:33
cubexyz	it's clearly the main influence, outside of Microsoft Windows	Jan 23 00:33
cubexyz	Stallman used it too	Jan 23 00:34
cubexyz	here's another good point about windows... and I've seen it a lot	Jan 23 00:51
cubexyz	"NO drivers beyond XP"	Jan 23 00:51
cubexyz	upgrade treadmill is maintained	Jan 23 00:51
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MinceR	msb_: good thing russians didn't commit mass murders -- oh wait, they did.	Jan 23 06:19
MinceR	000241 < msb_> It annexed Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Ukraine.	Jan 23 06:19
MinceR	wrong, look up what annexation means.	Jan 23 06:19
msb_	MinceR: Too bad you live in the past and can;t comprehend what's going on now.	Jan 23 06:20
msb_	MinceR: I was being metaphorical.	Jan 23 06:21
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea#2014_Crimean_crisis_and_Russian_control	Jan 23 06:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Crimea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/ji9rq ]		Jan 23 06:24
msb_	"Following contested referenda in which an overwhelming majority indicated a desire to join the Russian Federation, Russia signed a treaty of accession with the self-declared independent Republic of Crimea, absorbing it into the Russian Federation"	Jan 23 06:25
msb_	MinceR: So the people of Crimea wanted their country to be annexed by Russia.	Jan 23 06:26
msb_	The Crimeans, and many others in Ukraine, did not want to live under the Nazi coup government.	Jan 23 06:30
msb_	http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine/5371554	Jan 23 06:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca \| The U.S. has Installed a Neo-Nazi Government in Ukraine \| Global Research [ http://ur1.ca/ji3em ]		Jan 23 06:30
msb_	MinceR: Do you like that government? In your hatred of socialism, do you favor fascism?	Jan 23 06:31
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MinceR	msb_: the same is going on now as in the past	Jan 23 06:40
msb_	MinceR: That's very vague. Please be specific.	Jan 23 06:43
MinceR	russia built itself an empire; fucked up its economy, lost some of its empire	Jan 23 06:43
MinceR	then it did a bit of pretending to be democratic	Jan 23 06:43
MinceR	then started rebuilding its empire	Jan 23 06:43
MinceR	msb_: in your hatred of fascism, do you favor fascism?	Jan 23 06:43
MinceR	072238 < msb_> MinceR: So the people of Crimea wanted their country to be annexed by Russia.	Jan 23 06:44
MinceR	no they didn't, they "voted" at gunpoint.	Jan 23 06:44
MinceR	russia occupied crimea and then held a sham referendum	Jan 23 06:44
MinceR	had russia been beaten into submission like nazi germany was, we could be a lot safer. but it wasn't.	Jan 23 06:45
msb_	give proof of crimeans voting at gunpoint	Jan 23 06:46
MinceR	read the news	Jan 23 06:46
msb_	any proof in the non-corporate news?	Jan 23 06:47
MinceR	do your fake "news	Jan 23 06:47
MinceR	do your fake "news" sites claim russia didn't occupy crimea?	Jan 23 06:47
msb_	why do you call globalresearch.ca fake?	Jan 23 06:48
msb_	and you did not give proof of crimeans voting at gunpoint	Jan 23 06:49
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Crimean_crisis	Jan 23 06:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| 2014 Crimean crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/jia5k ]		Jan 23 06:50
MinceR	The ensuing 16 March 2014 referendum on whether to join Russia, held while the peninsula was occupied by Russian soldiers,[46]	Jan 23 06:50
msb_	was it a secret ballot?	Jan 23 06:51
msb_	When I asked if you favored the Nazi coup govt of Ukraine, you responded with nonsense. " in your hatred of fascism, do you favor fascism?"	Jan 23 06:52
MinceR	it's not nonsense, your position is nonsense	Jan 23 06:53
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MinceR	you support a totalitarian fascist dictatorship by handwaving and saying "but the other guys are bad too!"	Jan 23 06:53
MinceR	which is a non-sequitur	Jan 23 06:53
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msb_	MinceR: I'm glad you now have a country you can move to. Sieg Heil!	Jan 23 06:54
msb_	http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine/5371554	Jan 23 06:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca \| The U.S. has Installed a Neo-Nazi Government in Ukraine \| Global Research [ http://ur1.ca/ji3em ]		Jan 23 06:55
msb_	MinceR: did you read that article?	Jan 23 06:55
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MinceR	msb_: you had a country you could move to for about 100 years now	Jan 23 06:56
msb_	MinceR: did you read that article?	Jan 23 06:56
MinceR	i didn't	Jan 23 06:56
msb_	Please do.	Jan 23 06:57
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cubexyz	ah, ok... it was coherent that got the source code released	Jan 23 07:55
cubexyz	someone was looking for Unix v3.51	Jan 23 07:55
cubexyz	which was Convergent's proprietary port of Unix	Jan 23 07:55
cubexyz	ha, funny	Jan 23 07:56
cubexyz	I'm not sure there's any source code for a Unix System V	Jan 23 07:58
cubexyz	oh yeah now I remember...	Jan 23 08:01
cubexyz	there was a System V for PDP-11	Jan 23 08:01
cubexyz	and there was an AT&T unix system V release 4...	Jan 23 08:02
cubexyz	I think that could run on a 386	Jan 23 08:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Aptik Backups Your Favorite PPAs/Themes And	Jan 23 08:09
TweetTuxMachines	Icons/App Settings In Ubuntu/Linux Mint	Jan 23 08:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Librem 15, the first free software GNU/Linux	Jan 23 08:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Meizu m1 mini to come in Ubuntu flavour claim	Jan 23 11:04
TweetTuxMachines	latest leaks http://t.co/NfP7Kiu9QW	Jan 23 11:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hoogland Expounds and Ticking off Linus	Jan 23 11:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines PC-BSD 10.1.1 To Bring New System Updater, Qt5	Jan 23 11:04
TweetTuxMachines	Utilities http://t.co/VbOuzfflcP	Jan 23 11:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu GNOME 15.04 Alpha 2 Is Out and Based on	Jan 23 11:04
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TweetTuxMachines	Soon	Jan 23 11:20
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TweetTuxMachines	About Linux Support http://t.co/4BEmsCOtz1	Jan 23 11:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Lubuntu 15.04 Could Be the Last One Based on	Jan 23 11:54
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TweetTuxMachines	LXDE, New Alpha Is Out – Gallery	Jan 23 11:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Leftovers http://t.co/EOWYEj9DXc	Jan 23 11:55
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schestowitz	>> > The founder of moodle has just read and favourited my analysis of MSMoodle	Jan 23 11:57
schestowitz	> There's hope then if he is not outnumbered. Good work. Your writing	Jan 23 11:57
schestowitz	> has positive impact around the net.	Jan 23 11:57
schestowitz	Some Twitter users have been retweeting this. Notice also how many people have read my Blackboard analyses over the years; I never quite understood this, but I reckoned I stepped in a scandal (Moodlerooms buyout).	Jan 23 11:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 11 technologies that tick off Linus Torvalds	Jan 23 12:04
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/JtKMxs9w0Y (www.itworld.com)	Jan 23 12:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines IBM and Top Linux Distros Team Up to Drag x86	Jan 23 12:04
TweetTuxMachines	Workloads Onto Power http://t.co/Dn3dNxMuBs	Jan 23 12:04
TweetTuxMachines	(www.datacenterknowledge.com)	Jan 23 12:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu GNOME 15.04 Alpha 2 Is Out and Based on	Jan 23 12:04
TweetTuxMachines	GNOME 3.14 – Screenshot Tour	Jan 23 12:04
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/hmOt7JR5Pe (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 12:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kubuntu 15.04 Alpha 2 Is the Most Exciting	Jan 23 12:40
TweetTuxMachines	Release in a Long Time – Screenshot Tour	Jan 23 12:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/d20MmGgEFe (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 12:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Kubuntu 15.04 Alpha 2 Is the Most Exciting Release in a Long Time – Screenshot Tour - Softpedia		Jan 23 12:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines An introduction to Docker	Jan 23 12:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/b7mjiiKD6t (opensource.com)	Jan 23 12:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| Learning about Docker and Linux containers \| Opensource.com		Jan 23 12:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Great Linux propaganda posters	Jan 23 12:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ZPRSH7r6xm (www.itworld.com)	Jan 23 12:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com \| Great Linux propaganda posters \| ITworld		Jan 23 12:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 11 technologies that tick off Linus Torvalds	Jan 23 13:48
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/uSyeqIkXsf (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 13:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 Standalone Linux Tests	Jan 23 13:48
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/v7XuGv8ERq (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 23 13:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 Standalone Linux Tests - Phoronix		Jan 23 13:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 Standalone Linux Tests	Jan 23 13:48
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TXrdEGjTwe (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 13:48
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MinceR	geekings	Jan 23 17:51
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MinceR	geekings	Jan 23 17:53
MinceR	oh, i said it already	Jan 23 17:53
MinceR	nvm	Jan 23 17:53
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schestowitz	[22:29] <MinceR> "did i turn off the gas?" https://33.media.tumblr.com/7ac3ba4baf30160ee43f00f319e00d74/tumblr_nijw3p2UDg1rc7lcoo1_400.gif	Jan 23 19:30
schestowitz	LOL	Jan 23 19:30
schestowitz	[16:12] <Sosumi> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/hands-on-with-hololens-making-the-virtual-real/	Jan 23 19:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Hands-on: Microsoft’s HoloLens is flat-out magical \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/jhzzr ]		Jan 23 19:31
schestowitz	Conde Nasty	Jan 23 19:31
schestowitz	I hardly have to click it, I can guess it's Microsoft Peter ads	Jan 23 19:31
Sosumi	yep	Jan 23 19:32
Sosumi	it is	Jan 23 19:32
schestowitz	DrPizza is not trying to pretend to be a journalist	Jan 23 19:32
DrPizza	;_;	Jan 23 19:32
schestowitz	His bio gives away his role in Conde Nasty, which become a gates and Microsoft powerhouse for whitewashing some years back	Jan 23 19:32
schestowitz	Emil used to do that for years	Jan 23 19:32
Sosumi	no idea, I've been only following arstechnica since 2009	Jan 23 19:33
schestowitz	!google churnalism	Jan 23 19:33
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Churnalism \| Search \| http://churnalism.com/	Jan 23 19:33
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Churnalism \| Frequently Asked Questions \| http://churnalism.com/faq	Jan 23 19:33
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Churnalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia \| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churnalism	Jan 23 19:33
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Churnalism US - a project of Sunlight Foundation \| http://sunlightfoundation.com/tools/churnalism-us/	Jan 23 19:33
schestowitz	Sosumi: it used to be very good	Jan 23 19:33
schestowitz	some parts still are very good	Jan 23 19:33
Sosumi	but I haven't been pleased with the changes they did since then	Jan 23 19:34
schestowitz	"Churnalism is a form of journalism in which press releases, wire stories and other forms of pre-packaged material are used to create articles in newspapers and other news media in order to meet increasing pressures of time and cost without undertaking further research or checking.[1] The neologism "churnalism" has been credited to BBC journalist Waseem Zakir who coined the term in 2008."	Jan 23 19:34
Sosumi	well since 2011 or so	Jan 23 19:34
schestowitz	"In 2011, the Daily Mail reported that under former editor of The Sun and News of the World, Rebekah Brooks, "Scores, if not hundreds, of front-page stories were written by the PR men. They would think up a headline and story and The Sun and News of the World would run it, word for word. Some of them were complete fiction. Meanwhile, proper stories by proper journalists were buried deep inside the paper."[9]"	Jan 23 19:35
Sosumi	when they kind of shifted away	Jan 23 19:35
schestowitz	I'm not going to suggest that peter edits ghostwritten articles	Jan 23 19:35
schestowitz	because that might be offensive	Jan 23 19:35
Sosumi	typing out loud	Jan 23 19:36
Sosumi	:)	Jan 23 19:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines PC-BSD Releases Updated Lumina Desktop	Jan 23 19:45
TweetTuxMachines	Environment http://t.co/LVORp8l2rq	Jan 23 19:45
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 19:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| PC-BSD Releases Updated Lumina Desktop Environment \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 19:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.1 beta available on	Jan 23 19:45
TweetTuxMachines	IBM Power Platform http://t.co/cEUKX9qwH2	Jan 23 19:45
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linuxjournal.com)	Jan 23 19:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxjournal.com \| Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.1 beta available on IBM Power Platform \| Linux Journal		Jan 23 19:45
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/barachoix/status/558710465878978560	Jan 23 19:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@barachoix: @schestowitz In Canada it seems like all the TV news includes churnalism (http://t.co/X5pX1AGsGN) Same PR advert on every supper news show.		Jan 23 19:52
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schestowitz	Not just Canada	Jan 23 19:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE 15.04 Alpha 2 Has Default Compiz	Jan 23 19:59
TweetTuxMachines	Support, All Things Must Wobble – Gallery	Jan 23 19:59
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/b8EZo3XDDk (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 19:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Weekend Viewing: Catch up on LCA 2015	Jan 23 19:59
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ndOsCUJzTA (www.techrepublic.com)	Jan 23 19:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linus Torvalds to Patch the Kernel for a	Jan 23 19:59
TweetTuxMachines	Witcher 2 Problem http://t.co/M8l7NVHUeQ	Jan 23 19:59
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 19:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Dying Light Is an FPS Zombie Survival Game and	Jan 23 20:14
TweetTuxMachines	It Might Get a Linux Release	Jan 23 20:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/AH2nUzxrL6 (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 20:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Dying Light Is an FPS Zombie Survival Game and It Might Get a Linux Release - Softpedia		Jan 23 20:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Companies That Support Linux: Planisys	Jan 23 20:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/hPivwSLqOl (www.linux.com)	Jan 23 20:14
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tizen Starts 2015 With a Bang	Jan 23 20:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/HRGfeXsjUM (www.linux.com)	Jan 23 20:14
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5467228	Jan 23 20:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@skipstein@diasp.org: These muslim savages are cowards and only strike at unarmed and defenseless citizens. IT may be the very reason we don't see as much of this type of violence here, but in the unarmed capital of NY and other 'no gun' zones/states, we may see it. GUN UP AMERICA! http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/01/19/french-police-gun-control-isnt-working-for-us/		Jan 23 20:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.breitbart.com \| French Police: Gun Control Isn't Working for Us - Breitbart [ http://ur1.ca/jhywy ]		Jan 23 20:24
schestowitz	"True, not JUST muslim but the majority are muslim radicals back by most muslims, quietly and financially in the background."	Jan 23 20:24
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5469831	Jan 23 20:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://twitter.com/aleeharissi/status/558416154448785408		Jan 23 20:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@aleeharissi: #Saudi King Abdullah who died earlier tonight was about 90 years old. Here is a photo of him with George W Bush http://t.co/VenC74WiKr		Jan 23 20:25
schestowitz	"The one in the picture, looks much older than the Saudi king."	Jan 23 20:25
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5471266	Jan 23 20:25
schestowitz	"The day that Steve Jobs passed away was the day Apple started it's permanent descent into hell."	Jan 23 20:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: ‘It just works’? Not so for too many #Apple users http://www.infoworld.com/article/2873356/applications/for-too-many-apple-users-it-doesnt-just-work.html		Jan 23 20:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.infoworld.com \| ‘It just works’? Not so for too many Apple users \| InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/jidud ]		Jan 23 20:25
schestowitz	"indeed- many dismiss him as basically a great marketing man and little else. But his focus on quality control was important."	Jan 23 20:26
schestowitz	Quality control as in blaming users for antenna issues :-)	Jan 23 20:26
MinceR	It Just Fails(tm)	Jan 23 20:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Shipping News: Docker 1.5rc1 arrives in port …	Jan 23 20:28
TweetTuxMachines	NOW! http://t.co/N3QPMFRSiK	Jan 23 20:28
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theregister.co.uk)	Jan 23 20:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Shipping News: Docker 1.5rc1 arrives in port … NOW! • The Register		Jan 23 20:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Companies That Support Linux: Planisys	Jan 23 20:28
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/5Eh5ECwGD9 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 20:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Companies That Support Linux: Planisys \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 20:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Sub-$100 Cortex-A5 dev board accepts Arduino	Jan 23 20:28
TweetTuxMachines	shields http://t.co/QmAWlhcuvk	Jan 23 20:28
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 20:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tizen Starts 2015 With a Bang	Jan 23 20:52
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/EoHR9ZQFJA (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 20:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Tizen Starts 2015 With a Bang \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 20:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google just made it easier to run Linux on your	Jan 23 20:52
TweetTuxMachines	Chromebook http://t.co/6TvpwuE6c2	Jan 23 20:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 20:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jimmu	Jan 23 20:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Google just made it easier to run Linux on your Chromebook \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 20:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines It's Windows 10, Because It's 10 Years Behind	Jan 23 20:52
TweetTuxMachines	Open Source http://t.co/Ux8Xoj0831	Jan 23 20:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 20:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| It's Windows 10, Because It's 10 Years Behind Open Source \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 20:53
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Vadgama_/status/558728782832730112	Jan 23 20:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Vadgama_: @schestowitz Let's not speak ill of the dead, The cunt is someone's father, husband to many wives & chief funder of terrorism King #Abdullah		Jan 23 20:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Screenshots of MATE 15.04 Vivid Vervet Alpha 2	Jan 23 21:22
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/WDkpDV9tRl (www.webupd8.org)	Jan 23 21:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.webupd8.org \| Ubuntu MATE 15.04 Vivid Vervet Alpha 2 Released ~ Web Upd8: Ubuntu / Linux blog		Jan 23 21:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Benchmarks Of NVIDIA's Early 2015 GeForce	Jan 23 21:22
TweetTuxMachines	Line-Up http://t.co/6bq9uMNa7N	Jan 23 21:22
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jan 23 21:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Linux Benchmarks Of NVIDIA's Early 2015 GeForce Line-Up - Phoronix		Jan 23 21:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wine Announcement https://t.co/tfyCsLeO0T	Jan 23 21:22
TweetTuxMachines	(www.winehq.org)	Jan 23 21:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.winehq.org \| WineHQ - Wine Announcement - The Wine development release 1.7.35 is now available.		Jan 23 21:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines It's Windows 10, Because It's 10 Years Behind	Jan 23 21:30
TweetTuxMachines	Open Source http://t.co/EUrSpMWCJk	Jan 23 21:30
TweetTuxMachines	(www.computerworlduk.com)	Jan 23 21:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samba Updated for Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and Ubuntu	Jan 23 21:30
TweetTuxMachines	14.10	Jan 23 21:30
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kbgQdkl0dv (linux.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 21:30
TweetTuxMachines	tackling	Jan 23 21:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google just made it easier to run Linux on your	Jan 23 21:30
TweetTuxMachines	Chromebook http://t.co/Ww1jP7e9lu	Jan 23 21:30
TweetTuxMachines	(www.pcworld.com)	Jan 23 21:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com \| Google just made it easier to run Linux on your Chromebook \| PCWorld		Jan 23 21:30
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MinceR	i thought it ran by default :>	Jan 23 21:31
schestowitz	yeah	Jan 23 21:32
schestowitz	they mean KDE ro GNOME or something	Jan 23 21:32
*TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Google just made it easier to run Linux...'		Jan 23 21:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Sub-$100 Cortex-A5 dev board accepts Arduino	Jan 23 21:37
TweetTuxMachines	shields http://t.co/7BzhlsX9aN	Jan 23 21:37
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Jan 23 21:37
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/KomalPorwal/status/558742194992214017	Jan 23 21:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KomalPorwal: @schestowitz Oil surges after Saudi King’s death [http://t.co/reAW7AhG4C]		Jan 23 21:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Review: Two Android Wear Watches That Are	Jan 23 21:57
TweetTuxMachines	(Almost) Worth Buying https://t.co/rNqJeY9Uou	Jan 23 21:57
TweetTuxMachines	(www.yahoo.com)	Jan 23 21:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.yahoo.com \| Review: Two Android Wear Watches That Are (Almost) Worth Buying		Jan 23 21:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 'Windows Must Go Open Source': What Happened?	Jan 23 21:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/SSXHn4NAfU (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 21:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jinnt	Jan 23 21:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samba Updated for Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and Ubuntu	Jan 23 21:57
TweetTuxMachines	14.10 http://t.co/R1nb4pjrqR	Jan 23 21:57
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 21:57
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/kaatje36/status/558748998920851456	Jan 23 22:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kaatje36: @schestowitz I hear the new one suffers from dementia....		Jan 23 22:16
schestowitz	A king in diapers.. at least not a naked emperor	Jan 23 22:16
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/kaatje36/status/558749558474571776	Jan 23 22:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kaatje36: @schestowitz lolol, I just spit my wine at the screen :D		Jan 23 22:20
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Thomas_Drake1/status/558666015513804802	Jan 23 22:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Thomas_Drake1: .@RonWyden "Buying a smartphone shouldn’t be interpreted as giving the gov't a free pass to track your movements” http://t.co/ZQYE00CCPk		Jan 23 22:24
schestowitz	Not only so-called smartphones (buzzword) do this, the carrier does this to all phones (for many years in UK now)	Jan 23 22:24
MinceR	hijacked buzzword	Jan 23 22:24
MinceR	used to mean a mobile phone that is also a general-purpose computer	Jan 23 22:25
MinceR	now to most people it just means mobile phone with touchscreen	Jan 23 22:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wine Announcement http://t.co/tkOad0v9C9	Jan 23 22:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Benchmarks Of NVIDIA's Early 2015 GeForce	Jan 23 22:28
TweetTuxMachines	Line-Up http://t.co/4JsDJzCKWu	Jan 23 22:28
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/kevskewl/status/558752302228865024	Jan 23 22:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kevskewl: @schestowitz #YourAspirations, #Opposed2 #CorporateGovernance, #ModernDaySlavery; that's what my site is all about. http://t.co/hzomlHNVgS		Jan 23 22:30
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XFaCE	schestowitz: MinceR http://valleywag.gawker.com/linus-torvalds-does-not-give-a-shit-about-you-1680004895	Jan 23 22:31
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MinceR	that's fine, i don't give a shit about his, either :>	Jan 23 22:32
XFaCE	MinceR: To be fair, he is absolutely right here	Jan 23 22:32
XFaCE	MinceR: I especially love the social activist they mentioned trying to get Linus forced out of Linux development	Jan 23 22:32
XFaCE	aHAHAHA	Jan 23 22:32
MinceR	is this the SJW thing?	Jan 23 22:32
XFaCE	seriously	Jan 23 22:32
XFaCE	MinceR: yeper	Jan 23 22:32
MinceR	yeah, i don't care for that	Jan 23 22:32
XFaCE	MinceR: oh, the article describes one	Jan 23 22:33
XFaCE	MinceR: but it isn't an sjw article	Jan 23 22:33
MinceR	and if the activist thinks they can do a better Linux without Linus, they can fork it and try their hand at it	Jan 23 22:33
XFaCE	MinceR: "Linus actually did something useful with his life. Shanley Kane is another opinionated nobody with a Twitter microphone."	Jan 23 22:33
XFaCE	end of story	Jan 23 22:33
XFaCE	MinceR: Or try to out-commit Linus	Jan 23 22:33
XFaCE	you know, actually do work	Jan 23 22:33
MinceR	if i forked Linux, it would be for an entirely different reason, though	Jan 23 22:34
XFaCE	MinceR: Feminix?	Jan 23 22:34
MinceR	no, to keep crap such as kdbus and hype-V out	Jan 23 22:34
MinceR	but for now, not compiling them in will suffice, i guess	Jan 23 22:34
XFaCE	MinceR: let's not mix real issues and fake take-offense issues	Jan 23 22:35
MinceR	indeed	Jan 23 22:36
XFaCE	MinceR: unfortuately, these linus-whiners distract	Jan 23 22:36
XFaCE	fortunately, linus is holding his ground	Jan 23 22:36
XFaCE	MinceR: they now have to deal with a personality they can't just shame into agreement	Jan 23 22:37
MinceR	:>	Jan 23 22:37
XFaCE	MinceR: why do you have to smile like that?	Jan 23 22:41
MinceR	just because	Jan 23 22:41
XFaCE	MinceR: Are you benedict Cumberbatch or something? http://i.imgur.com/U1Jq0MA.jpg	Jan 23 22:42
abeNd-org	MinceR: granted hyperv isnt used in too many enterprise environments, it is used, & linux is used in such environments, why would you want hyperv support stripped?	Jan 23 22:42
abeNd-org	wouldnt you want linux compatible with enterprise environments?	Jan 23 22:42
MinceR	XFaCE: no	Jan 23 22:42
XFaCE	MinceR: that was a joke	Jan 23 22:43
MinceR	abeNd-org: microsoft filth does not belong in a real OS, especially not when it's duplicating preexisting virtio functionality	Jan 23 22:43
MinceR	abeNd-org: if your idea of an "enterprise environment" is the failure parody of AD and Exchange, have fun with it, i don't want to have anything to do with	Jan 23 22:43
MinceR	it	Jan 23 22:44
MinceR	also, if you're using hype-V, you're doing it wrong	Jan 23 22:45
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abeNd-org	MinceR: most of our hosts are esxi, very few are citrix xen, fewer yet hyperv, 0 are pure opensource	Jan 23 22:46
MinceR	sucks to be you	Jan 23 22:46
MinceR	XFaCE: the UPDATE is extra funny	Jan 23 22:46
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XFaCE	MinceR: update?	Jan 23 22:47
abeNd-org	my company is making money, & so are our clients	Jan 23 22:47
MinceR	XFaCE: at the bottom of the article	Jan 23 22:47
MinceR	abeNd-org: making money while losing sanity is well known to me	Jan 23 22:47
XFaCE	"UPDATE: ModelViewCulture CEO Shanley Kane has asked me to describe her not as a "diversity advocate" or "diversity activist" and to instead identify her as the co-founder and CEO of a media company that is better than the one I work for. According to its website, ModelViewCulture is "an independent media platform focused on the intersection of technology, culture and diversity." So: nothing to do with advocating for diversity then. I regret the error	Jan 23 22:47
XFaCE	, and have updated the post to reflect that."	Jan 23 22:47
XFaCE	lol	Jan 23 22:48
schestowitz	[22:25] <MinceR> now to most people it just means mobile phone with touchscreen	Jan 23 22:48
schestowitz	Good point	Jan 23 22:48
abeNd-org	MinceR: im not really seeing what the issue is with vmware, windows & linux works fine	Jan 23 22:48
XFaCE	hi schestowitz	Jan 23 22:48
schestowitz	or phone that costs more than $x	Jan 23 22:48
XFaCE	schestowitz: did you right about all the win10 updates yet?	Jan 23 22:48
XFaCE	*write	Jan 23 22:48
MinceR	abeNd-org: i've had more than enough issues with the first two	Jan 23 22:48
MinceR	and yes, Mandatory IE Edition will make it even worse	Jan 23 22:49
abeNd-org	MinceR: so what hypervisor should the world be going with instead?	Jan 23 22:50
schestowitz	XFaCE: I write about news	Jan 23 22:50
schestowitz	Vista 10 is not news	Jan 23 22:50
XFaCE	lol	Jan 23 22:50
schestowitz	MS has spoken about it for almost 2 years	Jan 23 22:50
MinceR	abeNd-org: KVM, for example	Jan 23 22:50
XFaCE	drops mike	Jan 23 22:50
schestowitz	the latest is marketing designed to bury bad news	Jan 23 22:50
schestowitz	I wrote two articles alluding to it yesterday	Jan 23 22:50
schestowitz	Michael Larabel watsed time and space doing an article about it	Jan 23 22:51
XFaCE	schestowitz: is there anything to the "holograms, etc."?	Jan 23 22:51
XFaCE	in your opinion?	Jan 23 22:51
schestowitz	LXer also linked to some articles	Jan 23 22:51
XFaCE	schestowitz: or just more vapourware?	Jan 23 22:51
schestowitz	Glyn Moody had a decent comeback hours ago...	Jan 23 22:51
schestowitz	[pulling]	Jan 23 22:51
schestowitz	XFaCE: marketing hype, ask DrPizza	Jan 23 22:51
schestowitz	He's part of the marketing squad for it	Jan 23 22:52
DrPizza	hurrr	Jan 23 22:52
XFaCE	schestowitz: I thought he was Apple	Jan 23 22:52
schestowitz	judging by his latest puff piece	Jan 23 22:52
XFaCE	who is DrPizza anyway?	Jan 23 22:52
schestowitz	Peter Bright	Jan 23 22:52
MinceR	some m$ munchkin from Arse Technica	Jan 23 22:52
XFaCE	schestowitz: "Microsoft Peter"?	Jan 23 22:53
schestowitz	yes	Jan 23 22:53
XFaCE	ah	Jan 23 22:53
schestowitz	successor of Microsoft Emil	Jan 23 22:53
schestowitz	Their role at Conde Nast is not journalism	Jan 23 22:53
DrPizza	uh huh	Jan 23 22:53
schestowitz	They are Mirosoft boosters, their role is to repeat daily that Microsoft is so awesome and nothing is ever Microsoft's fault	Jan 23 22:54
schestowitz	Blame VP8, Google, whatever...	Jan 23 22:54
schestowitz	Always cleanse Microsoft of blame	Jan 23 22:54
schestowitz	and remember	Jan 23 22:54
schestowitz	Microsoft IS... Awesome!!	Jan 23 22:54
abeNd-org	heh, even the microsoft admins i work with don't say microsoft is awesome	Jan 23 22:55
abeNd-org	the only people who say that are not in IT, the C level folks	Jan 23 22:55
MinceR	i know someone who's supposedly in IT and loves every bit of m$	Jan 23 22:56
schestowitz	Some people do	Jan 23 22:56
abeNd-org	& IT decisions made on golf courses	Jan 23 22:56
schestowitz	because they feel comfortable defending what they know	Jan 23 22:56
MinceR	yeah, that's why we're where we are	Jan 23 22:57
schestowitz	Like Peter for example. He already pissed many people off	Jan 23 22:57
MinceR	smartphones dying, PC dying, IT dying	Jan 23 22:57
schestowitz	Like Opera, Linux folks, Mac folks...	Jan 23 22:57
abeNd-org	i dont know any pure zealots other than Cisco admins	Jan 23 22:57
MinceR	GNU/Linux infected with cancerd	Jan 23 22:57
schestowitz	Lack of objectivity and even gross distortion of facts leads to that	Jan 23 22:57
schestowitz	MinceR: is that under /etc/init.d/ ?	Jan 23 22:57
MinceR	afaik no	Jan 23 22:58
schestowitz	how does one start daemons with systemd?	Jan 23 22:58
schestowitz	systemd mysqld restart? :-p	Jan 23 22:58
schestowitz	it's all systemd now, not just init	Jan 23 22:58
schestowitz	even logs	Jan 23 22:58
schestowitz	I guess many scripts are going to get b0rked	Jan 23 22:59
schestowitz	admins to HAVE to learn some new methods from RHAT	Jan 23 22:59
MinceR	some systemctl command, for now	Jan 23 22:59
schestowitz	Like service NAME status	Jan 23 22:59
MinceR	but i'm sure they're itching to replace it with the "user-friendly" method of "reboot"	Jan 23 22:59
MinceR	i hear it's already the official way to restart dbus	Jan 23 22:59
schestowitz	I think dbus is mostly red hat maintained	Jan 23 23:00
schestowitz	gnome 3	Jan 23 23:00
MinceR	indeed	Jan 23 23:00
schestowitz	sorry, I mean, fedora... red hat likes to pretend to be "the community"	Jan 23 23:00
MinceR	they're currently conspiring to push it into the kernel	Jan 23 23:00
schestowitz	dbus?	Jan 23 23:00
MinceR	because they've adopted the windows nt design philosophy: "throw it into the kernel"	Jan 23 23:00
MinceR	yup	Jan 23 23:01
schestowitz	strange	Jan 23 23:02
schestowitz	loadable module?	Jan 23 23:02
schestowitz	or core part?	Jan 23 23:02
MinceR	hopefully module	Jan 23 23:02
MinceR	or whatever, hopefully optional	Jan 23 23:02
schestowitz	I guess they'll eventually package it all together as a distro anyway	Jan 23 23:02
schestowitz	many distros are now:	Jan 23 23:02
schestowitz	1) fedora derives (not many), more RHEL clones	Jan 23 23:03
schestowitz	2) debian-derives	Jan 23 23:03
schestowitz	3) ubuntu-derived	Jan 23 23:03
schestowitz	Then you have arch, gentoo, slack*	Jan 23 23:03
schestowitz	suse is dying	Jan 23 23:03
MinceR	most of them are going to become 'cancerd with a different wallpaper'	Jan 23 23:03
schestowitz	ubuntu with unity	Jan 23 23:04
schestowitz	plus mir	Jan 23 23:04
MinceR	actually i meant 'fedora with a different wallpaper', i think	Jan 23 23:04
schestowitz	freebsd wants something similar	Jan 23 23:04
schestowitz	fedora is not the desktop leader	Jan 23 23:04
MinceR	yeah, apparently they want to turn it into FreeOSX	Jan 23 23:04
schestowitz	debian is	Jan 23 23:05
MinceR	debian used to be the leader up to and including wheezy	Jan 23 23:05
MinceR	debian is dead	Jan 23 23:05
schestowitz	but ubuntu is based on it	Jan 23 23:05
MinceR	ubuntu is dead too	Jan 23 23:05
schestowitz	look what most distros are built around	Jan 23 23:05
schestowitz	ubuntu is very alive on servers	Jan 23 23:05
schestowitz	I deploy it a lot because I'm asked to	Jan 23 23:05
MinceR	soon debian and ubuntu will have no choice but to copy fedora/rh's every move	Jan 23 23:05
schestowitz	also on many desktops, but only selected companies	Jan 23 23:06
schestowitz	MinceR: maybe for kernel	Jan 23 23:06
schestowitz	ubuntu hardly does kernel stuff	Jan 23 23:06
MinceR	because the secrets in systemd have changed and everything depends on the latest change to the undocumented APIs	Jan 23 23:06
schestowitz	except its own, like mir for graphics	Jan 23 23:06
MinceR	we already had a company working in this way before	Jan 23 23:06
schestowitz	MinceR: oh	Jan 23 23:06
schestowitz	I forget about devuan	Jan 23 23:06
schestowitz	any word about it?	Jan 23 23:06
schestowitz	Silence for like a month now, since before xmas	Jan 23 23:07
MinceR	it seems to be progressing	Jan 23 23:07
MinceR	but i don't know much about where it is now	Jan 23 23:07
MinceR	hopefully it will be what debian used to be	Jan 23 23:07
schestowitz	maybe...	Jan 23 23:09
schestowitz	Will Ubuntu follow it? Doesn't sound like it..	Jan 23 23:09
MinceR	they've already decided to drop upstart and adopt systemd	Jan 23 23:09
MinceR	because debian's doing it	Jan 23 23:09
MinceR	and they're unwilling to do extra work	Jan 23 23:09
schestowitz	I think they did that before Debian's decision	Jan 23 23:09
schestowitz	the vote in Debian was several months later	Jan 23 23:10
schestowitz	but maybe canonical foresaw the outcome	Jan 23 23:10
MinceR	maybe they were told by the people who decided	Jan 23 23:10
MinceR	not that upstart wasn't a horrible mess	Jan 23 23:10
MinceR	with its disgusting abuse of SIGSTOP and SIGCONT (?)	Jan 23 23:10
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schestowitz	I know nothing about that abuse...	Jan 23 23:17
MinceR	afaik upstart-aware daemons suspend themselves when they're started and ready to serve	Jan 23 23:18
MinceR	then upstart notices this and resumes them	Jan 23 23:18
MinceR	if they're not on upstart, they'll just be suspended indefinitely, unless there's some way to tell them not to	Jan 23 23:18
MinceR	systemd-aware daemons instead depend on yet another library (or copy/paste code from it), which is also disgusting	Jan 23 23:19
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5474518	Jan 23 23:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Don't ever give #currys a real #email address. They'd say it's for warranty or something, but it's actually for them to #spam you.		Jan 23 23:25
schestowitz	"...........Along with lots of other places !!!"	Jan 23 23:25
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5471177	Jan 23 23:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: [Older] The #uk brought its #censorship equipment from #china http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23452097 Year of the ram, ramming free speech		Jan 23 23:25
schestowitz	"They have the know-how."	Jan 23 23:25
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schestowitz	UK trying to stay "ahead of of the curve" now	Jan 23 23:26
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schestowitz	MinceR: https://41.media.tumblr.com/34a522390921ed4bb63cec93ac5e85d0/tumblr_nia3uci5XB1qd65vgo1_1280.jpg	Jan 23 23:50
schestowitz	http://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1422055479612353_tall.jpg	Jan 23 23:50
MinceR	:>	Jan 23 23:51
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/WIRED/status/558755086382665728	Jan 23 23:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@WIRED: With its acquisition of Revolution Analytics, Microsoft continues to march toward open source http://t.co/I5AMlX1lEv		Jan 23 23:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.wired.com \| Microsoft Continues Its March Toward Open Source With Latest Acquisition \| WIRED		Jan 23 23:59
MinceR	better take up arms, then	Jan 23 23:59
schestowitz	More BS from Conde Nast, highly misleading headline openwashing anti-FOSS company for doing nothing FOSS here	Jan 23 23:59
cubexyz	I doubt microsoft will ever release their source code for windows	Jan 24 00:03
schestowitz	it'll maybe be left as abandonware soon	Jan 24 00:03
schestowitz	like old DOS and Win code	Jan 24 00:03
schestowitz	not FOSS	Jan 24 00:03
schestowitz	look but don't touch	Jan 24 00:03
cubexyz	no complete windows source I'm aware of in the wild	Jan 24 00:04
cubexyz	msdos, yes	Jan 24 00:04
cubexyz	any leaked BIOS source code is avoided by the coreboot folks	Jan 24 00:05
XFaCE	schestowitz: http://www.coindesk.com/bill-gates-bitcoin-alone-wont-solve-global-payments-challenges/	Jan 24 00:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.coindesk.com \| Bill Gates: Bitcoin Alone Won't Solve Global Payments Challenges [ http://ur1.ca/jiprh ]		Jan 24 00:06
XFaCE	Bill Gates is an expert in everything!	Jan 24 00:06
schestowitz	meh	Jan 24 00:06
MinceR	lol	Jan 24 00:06
schestowitz	Nothing about this article	Jan 24 00:06
schestowitz	except the name	Jan 24 00:06
XFaCE	yep	Jan 24 00:07
cubexyz	schestowitz, got it right, Gates is mainly about extraction and control	Jan 24 00:07
schestowitz	!google techrights gates economist	Jan 24 00:07
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cubexyz	well, I think FOSS is gaining traction, no doubt about it	Jan 24 00:08
MinceR	gn	Jan 24 00:09
cubexyz	things were "FOSSY" in the Unix v6 era	Jan 24 00:09
cubexyz	then AT&T tightened up on the license	Jan 24 00:09
MinceR	fossyl	Jan 24 00:10
XFaCE	https://falkvinge.net/2015/01/14/hilarious-activists-turn-tables-on-political-surveillance-hawks-wiretaps-them-with-honeypot-open-wi-fi-at-security-conference/	Jan 24 00:10
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cubexyz	so about 1975 to 1979 Unix was pretty open, after that it closes up until BSD/360 1.0 in 1993	Jan 24 00:12
cubexyz	the Dark Ages of computing... I'd say that was 1992 to 2000	Jan 24 00:14
cubexyz	from windows 3.1 to windows 2000	Jan 24 00:14
cubexyz	BSD/386 rather	Jan 24 00:14
cubexyz	then after 2000 Linux got some traction	Jan 24 00:14
cubexyz	of course 1979 to 1992 wasn't too great either	Jan 24 00:15
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cubexyz	Glyn Moody did a good job explaining things in "Rebel Code: Linux and the Open Source Revolution"	Jan 24 00:17
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Meizu m1 mini to Launch with Ubuntu Touch –	Jan 24 00:48
TweetTuxMachines	Rumor http://t.co/NKArrCnv6S	Jan 24 00:48
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jiqf1	Jan 24 00:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Meizu's Flyme OS, Yun OS, developed by	Jan 24 00:49
TweetTuxMachines	Alibaba, and Ubuntu. The stock Android version	Jan 24 00:49
TweetTuxMachines	was unexpected" http://t.co/yrHdctC4Mt	Jan 24 00:49
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gsmarena.com)	Jan 24 00:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jiqf2	Jan 24 00:49
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schestowitz	Jobs was a great and effective thief. His greatest achievement was putting polish on free software and turning it against the user. His second greatest achievement was cooperating with Microsoft to make sure no one else could do the same or better. I'm glad he's gone.	Jan 24 01:28
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5471266	Jan 24 01:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: ‘It just works’? Not so for too many #Apple users http://www.infoworld.com/article/2873356/applications/for-too-many-apple-users-it-doesnt-just-work.html		Jan 24 01:28
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5474644	Jan 24 01:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: James Bottomley who was #microsoft tool in #novell is now pushing #uefi 'secure boot' into #linux http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-Quark-EFITools-32-Bit		Jan 24 01:28
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schestowitz	"Good idea ... maybe it can be a systemd thing."	Jan 24 01:28
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5474120	Jan 24 01:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: People who say you can install #gnu #linux on #chromebooks often show ignorance because Chromebooks come with GNU/Linux, just different DE		Jan 24 01:29
schestowitz	"There are a lot of desktop environments and distributions that can be labelled GNU/Linux, I'm not sure ChromeOS is one of them. It definitely uses a modified Linux kernel they release under GPL 2. Mostly I'm stuck on the GNU part as Android does not use glibc. I believe all their middleware is licensed under an Apache license."	Jan 24 01:29
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5473441	Jan 24 01:30
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schestowitz	"	Jan 24 01:30
schestowitz	But the history is written by the winners, or in this case by governments to fit their agenda so now Ukrainians are the ones that "liberated" concentration camps.	Jan 24 01:30
schestowitz	I guess survivors would like to say thanks to the new Nazi Ukrainian government.	Jan 24 01:30
schestowitz	"	Jan 24 01:30
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cubexyz	heard a new term today: "freeium minefield"	Jan 24 02:20
cubexyz	it's when something is proported to be free but it's actually adware or nagware or worse	Jan 24 02:20
cubexyz	usually it's in the form of some anti-virus software	Jan 24 02:20
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msb_	What theories do people here have as to WHY almost all distros have adopted systemd even though it violates fundamental Unix design principles and unexpectedly forces changes in apps? The only reasons I've seen are to deal with non-deterministic sequencing of I/O equipment events, but that can be done without systemd's violations and coercions. The only answer I've seen is on an anti-systemd site, and involves RH and its big customer	Jan 24 02:28
msb_	the US govt -- a "conspiracy theory".	Jan 24 02:28
cubexyz	well the main reason goes back to GNU -> Gnu's Not Unix	Jan 24 02:29
cubexyz	so they don't really hold Unix principles as sacred	Jan 24 02:29
msb_	What force has been brought to bear on these distros?	Jan 24 02:29
cubexyz	good question	Jan 24 02:30
msb_	But these principles are obviously good design regardless of one's ideas about Unix.	Jan 24 02:30
cubexyz	You'll probably need to ask the distro maintainers directly	Jan 24 02:31
cubexyz	it has happened before...	Jan 24 02:31
cubexyz	BSD Vs AT&T	Jan 24 02:31
cubexyz	bsd init vs sysv	Jan 24 02:31
msb_	Since they've all done it at about the same time, I think there's something sinister going on and I wouldn't get a straight answer.	Jan 24 02:32
cubexyz	systemd is the new shiny thing	Jan 24 02:33
msb_	cubexyz: You mention a couple of big changes (which I'm not familiar with), but did they cause anywhere near as much damage?	Jan 24 02:34
cubexyz	msb_, sure... the Unix Wars... it messed up Unix for a long time	Jan 24 02:34
msb_	How is systemd shiny?	Jan 24 02:34
cubexyz	that's probably why most of us are using Linux and not BSD (excluding myself, I use both)	Jan 24 02:35
cubexyz	the AT&T lawsuit delayed BSD uptake by at least 3 years	Jan 24 02:35
cubexyz	msb_, I'm not saying systemd is good, just that it's the 'new thing'	Jan 24 02:36
cubexyz	I'm not a 'new thing' person... I still muck around with Unix v5 :)	Jan 24 02:36
msb_	Wow, never heard of that! Just like MS and SCO.	Jan 24 02:37
cubexyz	Dennis Ritchie himself hounded the Coherent Unix guys	Jan 24 02:37
cubexyz	making sure no one used AT&T code	Jan 24 02:37
cubexyz	yes, it's similar to MS and SCO	Jan 24 02:38
msb_	So this was to make money for AT&T.	Jan 24 02:38
cubexyz	sure...	Jan 24 02:39
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/unix-system-v-prices-1983.pdf	Jan 24 02:39
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msb_	But with systemd the motivation must be different. RH isn't going to make money from it. Linux is all free. But what's going on in the world is that the US did the 911 false-flag attack and has used that as the excuse to destroy several nations and murder millions of people. And people all over the world are protesting about this via the Internet.	Jan 24 02:42
msb_	And the psychopathic mass murderers doing these horrors must be worried that communication via the Net will help overthrow them just like samizdat via carbon-paper and mimeograph machines helped overthrow the USSR.	Jan 24 02:43
cubexyz	I'm not too worried about systemd as I use older linux (sysv) and openbsd (bsd init)	Jan 24 02:44
msb_	So if these monsters can get control of the free software that is so important to Net operation...	Jan 24 02:44
msb_	cubexyz: Yes, YOU are not worried. I'm talking about everyone else in the world.	Jan 24 02:45
cubexyz	unix traditionals will probably go to one of the BSDs: FreeBSD, OpenBSD or NetBSD	Jan 24 02:45
cubexyz	traditionalists	Jan 24 02:45
cubexyz	or Slackware... I'm sure I can think of other examples	Jan 24 02:46
cubexyz	you can even go back to syr4 if you want	Jan 24 02:47
cubexyz	svr4 rather	Jan 24 02:47
msb_	Will that prevent the monsters who have just murdered millions of people and are trying to start WWIII by Nazifying Ukraine from gaining control of the Internet?	Jan 24 02:47
msb_	Will the people who operate the Internet follow your advice, or will they continue using Linux?	Jan 24 02:48
cubexyz	ha, I don't think many people listen to me	Jan 24 02:49
cubexyz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Controls_the_Internet%3F	Jan 24 02:49
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cubexyz	there was some talk of an alternative internet via mesh	Jan 24 02:50
cubexyz	I'm not sure how that's progressing	Jan 24 02:50
cubexyz	in Canada we have free-nets so they are protected	Jan 24 02:52
cubexyz	not sure about the U.S. and other countries	Jan 24 02:52
cubexyz	e.g. http://www.ncf.ca	Jan 24 02:53
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msb_	cubexyz: Wow, thanks, that's a great wiki article!	Jan 24 02:55
cubexyz	np	Jan 24 02:55
cubexyz	Postel died of heart problems about 9 months after the DNS Root Authority incident	Jan 24 03:08
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Postel	Jan 24 03:20
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msb_	In which he opposed the US govt having total control of the Net.	Jan 24 03:21
cubexyz	yes	Jan 24 03:21
msb_	He died of a heart attack at the age of 55. Easily done by the CIA with drugs or microwave bombardment.	Jan 24 03:23
cubexyz	well, ARPA was part of the U.S. Department of Defense	Jan 24 03:25
cubexyz	not too surprising the U.S. government would want control over the internet	Jan 24 03:25
msb_	What they wanted was the ability to shut it down.	Jan 24 03:26
msb_	Just as they will be able to do when the Net is fully controlled by various versions of Lennux.	Jan 24 03:27
msb_	Some minor change to systemd will be sneaked through.	Jan 24 03:28
msb_	It will "call home" or something.	Jan 24 03:29
msb_	While lots of newbies involved with Linux are so naive as to be fascinated by "new shiny things", I'd think that distro administrators would be among the most experienced and best informed types.	Jan 24 03:34
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msb_	So some method of inducing them to accept systemd must have been used. It may have been different for different ones.	Jan 24 03:35
cubexyz	some of those guys are younger than me :)	Jan 24 03:35
msb_	But I don;t think they are that goddamned stupid.	Jan 24 03:36
cubexyz	it's an old story...	Jan 24 03:36
msb_	what do you mean?	Jan 24 03:37
cubexyz	I can site you many instances of the original developer of a project getting disgruntled and leaving the project	Jan 24 03:37
cubexyz	so they are replaced by a younger person with different ideas	Jan 24 03:37
cubexyz	Poettering also came up with pulseaudio, another thing I don't use	Jan 24 03:39
msb_	A person eager to put in the effort to do the tedious work. But actually and covertly a psychopath who has agreed to do what the ruling psychopaths tell him to do.	Jan 24 03:40
msb_	These personnel changes could have been made over the last several years.	Jan 24 03:41
cubexyz	ok, so what Poettering did which I think was really bad was he made systemd a GNOME dependency	Jan 24 03:41
cubexyz	so if you wanted the newest version of GNOME, you had to have systemd	Jan 24 03:41
msb_	Somehow I've always gotten along without ever using gnome.	Jan 24 03:42
cubexyz	also Miguel de Icaza is a Microsoft tech advocate, and he started the GNOME project!	Jan 24 03:42
msb_	I don't even use half the stuff in KDE3.	Jan 24 03:42
cubexyz	there's your smoking gun	Jan 24 03:42
cubexyz	right, I mapped out all the KDE3 stuff and I don't use much of it these days either	Jan 24 03:43
cubexyz	konsole, klipper, and kmix only	Jan 24 03:44
msb_	The rapid adoption of KDE4 over KDE3 is also suspicious, especially since it was done when most of KDE4 didn't even work.	Jan 24 03:44
msb_	I use those and konversation and the system monitor, but from KDE4 because they're better. Don't know if the current ones will even work under KDE3 or Trinity.	Jan 24 03:46
cubexyz	a lot of KDE3 stuff was orphaned	Jan 24 03:46
cubexyz	same with KDE2, and same with KDE1	Jan 24 03:46
cubexyz	I did some work to get KDE1 stuff to work on KDE3 actually	Jan 24 03:47
msb_	Trinity has probably adopted all of it.	Jan 24 03:47
cubexyz	no, that's the thing... they didn't update a lot of applications	Jan 24 03:47
msb_	Trinity?	Jan 24 03:48
msb_	I think they are at least keeping it all working.	Jan 24 03:48
cubexyz	yes, the main desktop environment is updated, but a lot of applications are not	Jan 24 03:49
msb_	I think it all works. What updating does it need?	Jan 24 03:49
msb_	I think it all works on current Linux. What updating does it need?	Jan 24 03:49
cubexyz	well kooka stopped working because of udev	Jan 24 03:50
cubexyz	so there's system changes also	Jan 24 03:50
cubexyz	kmidi was orphaned, no one uses it now	Jan 24 03:51
cubexyz	not to mention the obvious problems with ksysv	Jan 24 03:52
cubexyz	kind of hard to use that if you don't have sysv any more	Jan 24 03:52
cubexyz	these aren't problems for _me_ though :)	Jan 24 03:53
cubexyz	ksirc is really out of date, no one updates it	Jan 24 03:53
cubexyz	I don't think kbugbuster works for KDE3 any more	Jan 24 03:54
msb_	konversation works pretty well	Jan 24 03:54
msb_	I've never even heard of these programs.	Jan 24 03:55
cubexyz	probably most people haven't	Jan 24 03:56
msb_	There's really no reason for a DE to have a lot of apps that have nothing to do with a DE.	Jan 24 03:57
msb_	Linux has plenty of browsers, editors, all kinds of stuff. As long as the DE runs them.	Jan 24 03:58
cubexyz	KDE is important though as an alternative to GNOME	Jan 24 03:59
cubexyz	of course there's icewm and xfce etc	Jan 24 04:00
msb_	kmail was crashing (or should I say krashing) the whole DE, maybe the kernel, when I first switched to Linux around 2000. So I used mutt, and still do.	Jan 24 04:00
cubexyz	yes kmail was a bit of a mess	Jan 24 04:01
cubexyz	I still know this guy who was a KDE1 developer, and he hated KDE2 :)	Jan 24 04:04
cubexyz	kalzium isn't a bad little program	Jan 24 04:06
msb_	What are these free nets in Canada that you mentioned? Are they they actual hardware -- fiber runs, routers, etc? Who pays for and controls them?	Jan 24 04:06
msb_	Cute!	Jan 24 04:07
cubexyz	well Free-nets (note the hyphen) resell broadband now so they make money from reselling DSL	Jan 24 04:08
cubexyz	also they get some corporate funding and government money	Jan 24 04:08
cubexyz	basically a non-profit ISP	Jan 24 04:09
cubexyz	ultimately the DSL in Ontario is using Bell Canada equipment	Jan 24 04:10
cubexyz	TFN has a lot of their own equipment	Jan 24 04:10
cubexyz	probably there's one in California, I haven't checked into the U.S. ones in a while	Jan 24 04:12
msb_	brb	Jan 24 04:16
msb_	back now	Jan 24 04:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines It's Windows 10, Because It's 10 Years Behind	Jan 24 05:34
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cubexyz	ugh, spent too much time looking at coherent	Jan 24 07:37
cubexyz	at least rp.4 was added for v5	Jan 24 07:42
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Google just made it easier to run #Linux on your Chromebook http://www.pcworld.com/article/2873561/google-just-made-it-easier-to-run-linux-on-your-chromebook.html #chromebooks eat #microsoft share		Jan 24 09:57
schestowitz	"Good new. Cheap but nice and free laptops incoming!"	Jan 24 09:57
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schestowitz	"He loved his oil… visits, I mean visits!"	Jan 24 09:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pgo1980: John Kerry on #KingAbdullah, who practised routine torture & arbitrary judicial murder. #UnethicalForeignPolicy http://t.co/YxKRpTtMcf		Jan 24 09:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Autistic schoolboy hanged himself after falling for scam 'police' email saying he had looked at indecent websites http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/autistic-schoolboy-hanged-himself-after-5025351?utm_content=buffer64a21&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer		Jan 24 09:58
schestowitz	"	Jan 24 09:58
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schestowitz	Cronos	Jan 24 09:58
schestowitz	That's what happens when you have a government that might not hesitate doing something like that, that's why that kind of scams work.	Jan 24 09:58
schestowitz	I wonder if citizens of good democracies fall in those scams. Something like Norway ... hard to think in a good democracy on these times.	Jan 24 09:58
schestowitz	"	Jan 24 09:58
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schestowitz	"what free software did he steal? I'm aware that they took the Palo Alto GUI and mouse idea- but what else?"	Jan 24 09:59
schestowitz	"	Jan 24 09:59
schestowitz	It I understand correctly, Mac OS X was originally derived from FreeBSD. The BSD license allows Apple to do just what it did, so calling Jobs a thief, at least on those grounds, is a bit hyperbolic.	Jan 24 09:59
schestowitz	As to "putting polish on free software and turning it against the user," that charge clearly stands.	Jan 24 09:59
schestowitz	"	Jan 24 09:59
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cubexyz	Jobs did steal...	Jan 24 10:10
cubexyz	from Xerox	Jan 24 10:10
cubexyz	Xerox sued Apple, gee people have short memories	Jan 24 10:10
cubexyz	no doubt about it	Jan 24 10:11
cubexyz	Xerox sued Apple on Dec 15, 1989	Jan 24 10:15
msb_	How many of his inventions did Ted Nelson describe in Computer Lib / Dream Machines? Did he ever try to get paid for any of them?	Jan 24 10:16
msb_	How about Isaac Newton or Michael Faraday?	Jan 24 10:18
cubexyz	my knowledge of history is insufficient to say	Jan 24 10:19
cubexyz	Newton was pretty rich though	Jan 24 10:20
cubexyz	he was "Master of the Royal Mint" later in life	Jan 24 10:21
msb_	Ted Nelson is now working on a new data system called ZigZag. That name is strangely familiar. I'm sure I've seen it someplace before...	Jan 24 10:23
cubexyz	my understanding is that Ted Nelson doesn't get along well with the free software folks	Jan 24 10:26
cubexyz	he's pro-software patents	Jan 24 10:26
msb_	Ick!	Jan 24 10:27
msb_	I met him once and mentioned that he and Xanadu, along with Vannevar Bush and Memex, were described in the weird anime' Seir\	Jan 24 10:29
msb_	Serial Experiments Lain.	Jan 24 10:29
msb_	He said it misrepresented his idea.	Jan 24 10:29
cubexyz	I really like Thompson and Ritchie's ideas	Jan 24 10:30
msb_	Anyhow, I think he gave away a lot of inventions without patenting them.	Jan 24 10:31
msb_	Yup, they did it right!	Jan 24 10:31
msb_	I guess all those huge long-distance bills we paid to the phone company were worth it.	Jan 24 10:33
cubexyz	it's actually a bit murky what happened to Unix after v7 though	Jan 24 10:34
cubexyz	I think 4.1BSD was the basis for 8th edition	Jan 24 10:37
msb_	"Intellectual property" doesn't easily lend itself to legal decisions. Too complex.	Jan 24 10:37
msb_	The info is complicated enough without trying to trace people's actions and thought processes that led them to it.	Jan 24 10:38
msb_	Play with it and enjoy it. Life is too short to fight about it.	Jan 24 10:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Zenwalk Linux - A Walk on the Quirky Side	Jan 24 10:47
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msb_	Wow. a $3.000 desk with a 5-inch display. But it has a timer that tells you to get up and go away.	Jan 24 10:51
msb_	Hopefully it comes with a chainsaw for convenient rapid disassembly.	Jan 24 10:52
cubexyz	heh, I once imagined a desk that surrounded you	Jan 24 10:52
cubexyz	you sit in the centre and there's computers on all sides, front, back, left and right	Jan 24 10:53
msb_	You could have that! You already have the computers.	Jan 24 10:54
cubexyz	I have one mega-desk	Jan 24 10:55
cubexyz	there's 4 computers in front of me	Jan 24 10:55
msb_	What was that story by Gene Roddenberry about a succession of androids that one by one inhabited an office filled with computers and data screens, so it could keep track of what was going on and care for the human race.	Jan 24 10:57
cubexyz	this is kind of what I was thinking:	Jan 24 10:59
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/extended-desk.jpg	Jan 24 10:59
cubexyz	except more computers :)	Jan 24 10:59
msb_	Nice.	Jan 24 10:59
cubexyz	what was the title of the story?	Jan 24 11:02
msb_	The ultimate PC: http://cosmicpenguin.com/images/pc_of_future.jpg	Jan 24 11:04
cubexyz	what's the steering wheel for? :)	Jan 24 11:05
msb_	Those gauges monitor the liquid xenon cooling system pressure so it doesn't explode.	Jan 24 11:05
msb_	Actually, each one has a scale ten times the one before. Ten times ten times ten...almost to infinity!	Jan 24 11:06
cubexyz	not as many gauges as the movie :)	Jan 24 11:07
msb_	It's for virtual reality. It only has 2D VR.	Jan 24 11:07
msb_	This is an earlier version of the Krell machine.	Jan 24 11:08
cubexyz	haha	Jan 24 11:08
msb_	That guy standing there is actually a Krell. You can see why they made their doorways that weird shape.	Jan 24 11:09
msb_	The steering wheel is supposed to control the movements of any Monsters From The Id that show up.	Jan 24 11:11
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Questor_Tapes	Jan 24 11:16
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cubexyz	I dimly remember Ark II as a kid, but I don't think it had anything to do with Roddenberry	Jan 24 11:20
cubexyz	and Genesis II	Jan 24 11:22
cubexyz	that might have been a Roddenberry project	Jan 24 11:22
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msb_	Genesis II was definitely Gene -- a great movie!	Jan 24 11:25
msb_	Mariette Hartley - a mutant with two navels.	Jan 24 11:26
cubexyz	yes, I think I remember that part :)	Jan 24 11:26
msb_	Much of the world ruled by the Tyranians.	Jan 24 11:26
msb_	Dressed in furs, sitting on stone thrones underground.	Jan 24 11:27
msb_	Ted Cassidy was in it.	Jan 24 11:27
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/00pii/status/558963539923468289	Jan 24 12:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@00pii: @schestowitz I'm sorry, but Europe grew too disgruntled in USA tech. I am an European living in USA and have a startup here. 1/4		Jan 24 12:29
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/00pii/status/558964116598304768	Jan 24 12:31
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/00pii/status/558964947527684096	Jan 24 12:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@00pii: @schestowitz Although they understood well their benefits if the solution would succeed, most could not move beyond cause I am USA based 3/4		Jan 24 12:34
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5475781	Jan 24 12:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #google chairman: "so many IP addresses…so many devices, sensors, things that you are wearing" http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/e-innovation/eric-schmidt-google-internet-disappear-160126 worse than #rfid		Jan 24 12:44
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schestowitz	"I hope Google to disappear soon!"	Jan 24 12:44
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/00pii/status/558966595985629185 https://twitter.com/00pii/status/558966714202071040	Jan 24 12:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@00pii: @schestowitz e.g. VG Media sued Google,while EXCLUSIVELY dumping data in Google analytics, but non of the Google competitors, like MSFT 4/4		Jan 24 12:45
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Vadgama_/status/558968841406255104	Jan 24 12:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Vadgama_: @schestowitz So what you are saying is King #Salman is the same shit as the previous shit. So the House of Saud shit from the same asshole		Jan 24 12:51
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satipera	i came back to read techrights for the first time in a while, always supported tr but got out of the habbit for some reason. i read some of the news stories for the 23/1/14 and was struck by how hugely us centric in particular the political stories are. this is a problem	Jan 24 12:57
schestowitz	"Here is some information about the neglected Article 4a of the European Patent Convention which might be of interest."	Jan 24 13:04
schestowitz	satipera: which political?	Jan 24 13:05
schestowitz	bipartisan?	Jan 24 13:05
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schestowitz	"Concerning the efforts to shift public opinion to which you refer, we wanted to submit a few comments about the Petition calling for an independent investigation of Topic's appointment which was submitted to the European Parliament in December last year by a Croatian NGO Juris Protecta."	Jan 24 13:13
satipera	from leftovers down it is just the sheer number of us based stories. although the us is an important country it is a small part of the world. i would like to see a better balance of stories from around the planet	Jan 24 13:14
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MinceR	geekings	Jan 24 13:40
MinceR	yeah, it's much easier to get informed about news in the usa than anywhere else in general	Jan 24 13:41
MinceR	especially in english :>	Jan 24 13:42
schestowitz	"For the moment we don't know whether or not the petition 2848/2013 will ever be the agenda again as the agenda for the meeting on 11 November has not been published yet."	Jan 24 13:45
schestowitz	satipera: english-speaking articles	Jan 24 13:45
schestowitz	Show me which sites cover in English corruption in China, Russia, etc.	Jan 24 13:45
satipera	this took about 2 minutes to find, put china or russia in the search box. my point is that other sources are available and could be worked into your news	Jan 24 14:00
satipera	http://www.transparency.org/search	Jan 24 14:00
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5476017	Jan 24 16:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://twitter.com/johnbayne8/status/558950702886977537		Jan 24 16:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@johnbayne8: Woman receives 90 lashes in Saudi for being raped. In the UK flags were at half mast for their dead king. WTF!!!! http://t.co/WvI0heSbZf		Jan 24 16:19
schestowitz	"so sick..."	Jan 24 16:19
msb_	I think that when Eric Schmidt has destroyed the Internet, and has everybody muttering into their cellphones, microwaves, and toasters, that none of those things is going to tell them when the US or Israel has murdered for profit another city full of people.	Jan 24 16:24
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5476705	Jan 24 16:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #sony not cracked because of any group of crackers or a nation. As confirmed by reports, Sony got compromised through #microsoft #windows		Jan 24 16:24
schestowitz	"well, we've all been there"	Jan 24 16:24
schestowitz	I used Windows 98... last one	Jan 24 16:24
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/TechnicalKat/status/559032783180283904	Jan 24 17:05
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schestowitz	<li><h5><a href="http://www.blackagendareport.com/node/14633" rel="nofollow">Freedom Rider: Jeffrey Sterling: A Black Man and the CIA</a></h5>	Jan 24 17:27
schestowitz	<blockquote>“Everything changed for Sterling when he filed a discrimination complaint in 2000.”</blockquote></li>	Jan 24 17:27
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gde33	msb_: we could lobby for a news interupt	Jan 24 18:56
msb_	gde33: yes, the toaster and microwave could make them wait for their breakfast while they presented the story.	Jan 24 18:58
gde33	msb_: it certainly could	Jan 24 18:58
msb_	That would get their attention.	Jan 24 18:58
gde33	msb_: dont expect people to put effort into not knowing	Jan 24 18:59
gde33	msb_: I'm trying to figure out how to quantify employee/human influence into discrete units of logic	Jan 24 19:00
gde33	msb_: I think it is time to show that our world is ran by processes rather than by people	Jan 24 19:00
msb_	In what context?	Jan 24 19:01
gde33	all contexts	Jan 24 19:01
msb_	I think it's mostly run by psychopaths, whoe really are not human.	Jan 24 19:01
msb_	who	Jan 24 19:01
gde33	most people have this erronious concept in their head that the slave runs the farm	Jan 24 19:02
gde33	yes, that is the next level of logic	Jan 24 19:02
gde33	but i think you are still wrong about that	Jan 24 19:02
msb_	tell me	Jan 24 19:02
gde33	the board of directors is obligated by law to make money for investors	Jan 24 19:02
gde33	the investors may not make decisions	Jan 24 19:02
gde33	the employee is chained to his desk with stricktly defined instructions	Jan 24 19:03
gde33	if he fails to follow those accurately he will be replaced	Jan 24 19:03
msb_	of course	Jan 24 19:03
gde33	in government one does best not to have an opinion about anything	Jan 24 19:04
gde33	if one has 10 oppinions with 90% support one may have 0% left	Jan 24 19:04
gde33	msb_: see? the evil psychopaths dont really come into it	Jan 24 19:04
msb_	someone (or some things more accurately) made the decision to blow up the WTC, to invade afghanistan and iraq and libya and murder 2,000,000 people.	Jan 24 19:05
gde33	they get to chose investiments but those are motivated by earnings not by ideology	Jan 24 19:05
msb_	Those decisions were made by very evil psychopaths.	Jan 24 19:06
gde33	msb_: good example, lets use that one	Jan 24 19:06
gde33	it started long before with a plan	Jan 24 19:06
gde33	the plan used an attack on the wtc as an example cenario	Jan 24 19:06
gde33	it was extended	Jan 24 19:06
gde33	many people added little bits to the plan following their job description	Jan 24 19:07
msb_	Yes, it was lightly mentioned in the PNAC document.	Jan 24 19:08
gde33	everyone involved was expected to do the things they did	Jan 24 19:08
gde33	you could argue that a few people in that train of thought had the ability to stop it	Jan 24 19:09
gde33	but then they had to chose a different project	Jan 24 19:09
gde33	there is also the factor of conditioning	Jan 24 19:09
msb_	and everyone who gave the "go" order and ordered the missiles fired on those nations, and invaded those nations and murdered people was a monster Nazi psychopath.	Jan 24 19:10
gde33	all those propaganda riddled movies, news bulitins, books, speeches	Jan 24 19:10
gde33	ok good point	Jan 24 19:10
gde33	but the arms industry is still the biggest in the world	Jan 24 19:11
gde33	to sell weapons you need conflict	Jan 24 19:11
msb_	I'm not "blaming" the psychopaths as if they were human beings making decisions. They are mostly robotic.	Jan 24 19:11
gde33	if there are funds for conflict creation people can be hired to make one	Jan 24 19:11
gde33	yes, that is my point	Jan 24 19:12
gde33	the weapons manufacturer was already making weapons you see	Jan 24 19:12
gde33	the only thing missing was the sales pich	Jan 24 19:12
gde33	pitch	Jan 24 19:12
msb_	But the ones that actually pull the levers are good targets to be acted against. Tried, convicted, and imprisoned for life.	Jan 24 19:12
gde33	definetly	Jan 24 19:12
gde33	I'm more interested in the rest of our economy where the scripted "AI" is in full control	Jan 24 19:13
msb_	The whole thing started with the JCI religion thousands of years ago, and it's still wrecking our culture.	Jan 24 19:13
msb_	AI?	Jan 24 19:13
gde33	I think it is important to show this with data, scientifically if you like	Jan 24 19:14
gde33	in a way that can not be doubted	Jan 24 19:14
msb_	The "holy books" order people to murder everyone who doesn't worship the diety.	Jan 24 19:14
gde33	but still, in the war games industry the concept does still seem to work	Jan 24 19:14
gde33	msb_: if I put a chip in your head you would make a fine war president	Jan 24 19:15
msb_	The whole thing has to be seen from a system standpoint.	Jan 24 19:15
gde33	religion is a script	Jan 24 19:15
gde33	written in a scripting language	Jan 24 19:15
lenngray	While it _is_ the feduciary duty of the directors of companies to "do whatever" for either profit or shareholder value, and coming out of that, also the duty of all the progressively lower-level "employees", it's not a case of them being bound by "law". It's merely a "contract" to do that. And although staying, soullessly, in that "program" is what most people do for "a living", it doesn't make it other than	Jan 24 19:15
lenngray	psychopathic.	Jan 24 19:16
gde33	humans execute it without questioning it	Jan 24 19:16
gde33	they still have their own will but if it doesn't influence the process the process is self serving	Jan 24 19:16
gde33	my suppermarket employes 14 year olds	Jan 24 19:17
gde33	they have to get a diploma, pass many screening tests, then they get a minimum wage part time job	Jan 24 19:17
msb_	It's a complex, self-reinforcing system involving parents with psychopathic behavior abusing children emotionally and sometimes physically, which makes them ready to commit murder later.	Jan 24 19:17
gde33	yes	Jan 24 19:18
gde33	but our believes in banking are not different from religious believes	Jan 24 19:19
gde33	likewise there is the worshipping of jobs without any consideration for how useful the work is	Jan 24 19:19
gde33	but a religion is an almost static script	Jan 24 19:20
msb_	Simply put, I think psychopathy is a defense mechanism, the simplest possible: kill everyone near you and then no-one can hurt you.	Jan 24 19:20
gde33	those days are over it seems, companies are now able to generate scripts	Jan 24 19:20
gde33	msb_: definetly	Jan 24 19:20
lenngray	Looking at the level of corporate behavior with regard to "law", once a company has enough cash-flow to have lawyers on staff, it's the job of those lawyers to show (and insist) that anything the company did or does _was_ and _is_ "legal", so the corporate purpose of 99% of all modern corporations, "to do whatever is legal for the corporation to do", reduces, in the presence of those staff attorneys to "to do whatever	Jan 24 19:20
lenngray	for money".	Jan 24 19:20
gde33	if the group fails we revert back to self serving behavior	Jan 24 19:20
gde33	lenngray: exactly	Jan 24 19:21
gde33	they are stripped from their humanity in the job description	Jan 24 19:21
msb_	I think psychopaths -- mostly programmed, by parents and upbringing -- have learned to organize together.	Jan 24 19:22
msb_	So now the entire international-facing part of the govt and the congress and exec that controls it is one huge psychopath organization.	Jan 24 19:23
gde33	it isn't permanent, they just turn into psychos when the group fails to support them, eventually they go back to groups again	Jan 24 19:23
msb_	No, they turned into 'paths when their parents, teachers, other kids, etc. failed to treat them kindly.	Jan 24 19:24
gde33	oh the return to empathy may take 1000 years	Jan 24 19:25
msb_	That permanently installed fear and hate at the center of their personality.	Jan 24 19:25
gde33	indeed	Jan 24 19:25
lenngray	When you say it isn't permanent, I think it is. The groups are also psychopathic, supporting the same behavior of any potential individual who might "exit".	Jan 24 19:25
gde33	but they dont call it that strangely enough	Jan 24 19:26
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gde33	but what about the rest of us? surely half the flaw sits with all these self proclaimed loving and caring people?	Jan 24 19:26
msb_	No. To diminish cognitive dissonance they call it patriotism, protection, etc.	Jan 24 19:27
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msb_	Because we don't do anything about this?	Jan 24 19:27
gde33	msb_: just like the guy who should have stopped that war?	Jan 24 19:27
msb_	First we have to understand it all from a self-powered anti-life system.	Jan 24 19:28
gde33	with the mainstream views the way they are the politican can not stand for anything.	Jan 24 19:29
msb_	Then we have to figure out ways to clearly explain that to people.	Jan 24 19:29
gde33	yeah	Jan 24 19:29
msb_	Then we have to broadcast those explanations as widely as possible.	Jan 24 19:30
gde33	I think it would be good for someone "important" to publish a paper that conclusively shows that human ideals are of no concequence to the system we have.	Jan 24 19:30
msb_	Otherwise the zombies just keep lumbering on.	Jan 24 19:30
gde33	a conclusive formula that shows you that you are the main cause of all the things you dont like	Jan 24 19:31
msb_	There are many who have done that.	Jan 24 19:31
msb_	That's not a good formulation.	Jan 24 19:31
gde33	there are?	Jan 24 19:31
gde33	yes it is, if you want people to act on it.	Jan 24 19:31
msb_	but it's untrue.	Jan 24 19:32
gde33	why?	Jan 24 19:32
msb_	I didn't cause any of the murders.	Jan 24 19:32
gde33	you've failed to educate everyone	Jan 24 19:32
gde33	I didn't say it was a reasonable task	Jan 24 19:32
gde33	but if anyone is ever going to stop this thing it can only be you	Jan 24 19:32
msb_	not for lack of trying, and hopefully I'm learning to do it better	Jan 24 19:33
lenngray	The problem is the assumption that we're already in any kind of state where "let thine eye be single" is true.	Jan 24 19:33
lenngray	We're fragmented, and only part of a person causes the bad.	Jan 24 19:33
lenngray	And he gets to ignore that he did the bad, thinking "that's not ME".	Jan 24 19:33
gde33	our fragmentation seems the most important goal of the systems	Jan 24 19:34
lenngray	True	Jan 24 19:34
msb_	yep. It makes it much easier for the system to control us.	Jan 24 19:34
gde33	the housing prices also feed into lack of community	Jan 24 19:35
msb_	Most people are currently unable to think accurately. So we have to explain the situation to them in various ways and try to penetrate their active-ignorance.	Jan 24 19:36
msb_	The more they wake up, the better we can communicate with them.	Jan 24 19:37
gde33	so far the only plan I could think of was to ring their doorbell, ask them if they want to help, then if they say no set fire to the house	Jan 24 19:37
lenngray	8)	Jan 24 19:37
gde33	not really a workable concept	Jan 24 19:38
msb_	We have the advantage today of seeing physical systems with positive feedback -- PA systems, computer viruses, biological viruses.	Jan 24 19:38
gde33	maybe something with rubber heads on poles	Jan 24 19:38
msb_	Self-sustaining systems with harmful effects.	Jan 24 19:39
msb_	a very important thing to understand.	Jan 24 19:39
msb_	Before this era, people could only think that some invisible outside force was causing people to behave adversely =-- god, demons, miasma, etc.	Jan 24 19:40
msb_	Now we know that humans are susceptible to self-sustaining familial and cultural psychopathy.	Jan 24 19:41
msb_	It's not a good defense mechanism, but obviously we are wired for it, and it's pretty easy to trigger.	Jan 24 19:42
gde33	I wrote a news aggregator that takes some thousands of feeds just to keep track of what is going on	Jan 24 19:42
gde33	it tries to filter out popular propaganda	Jan 24 19:43
gde33	but how do we build a new community?	Jan 24 19:43
msb_	Probably different species of primates have different levels of triggering of the psychopathy. Bonobos are much nicer people than chimpanzees.	Jan 24 19:44
gde33	I tried some years ago to compile a list of nice organizations that everyone should sign up to	Jan 24 19:44
gde33	perhaps we can automate a subscription system for that?	Jan 24 19:45
gde33	they all do press releases and blog postings but we need one central location where all of their stuff is combined	Jan 24 19:46
msb_	We first have to write effective explanations of the self-sustaining familial and cultural psychopathy, describing the cultural and familial forces that implement it, and how it limits people's ability to think.	Jan 24 19:47
msb_	Until people understand that anti-human system that humans have gotten themselves into, there's no point in explaining anything else to them.	Jan 24 19:48
msb_	The self-sustaining psychopathy is the prime cause. It has to be understood first for a person to have any idea of what's going on in the world.	Jan 24 19:50
gde33	I think we have to work with what we have, they all have one good thought	Jan 24 19:50
gde33	wrapping the organizations doing good things into a politically correct opinion free wrapper might be a way to tap into that	Jan 24 19:51
msb_	Wilhelm Reich did some of the best work in understanding and revealing this.	Jan 24 19:51
gde33	yeah	Jan 24 19:51
msb_	I have a copy of a book called Reich for Beginners, from England I think, that explains his work well.	Jan 24 19:52
msb_	Before 2000 I made several calls to the publishers, but they seem to have evaporated.	Jan 24 19:52
msb_	So it would be good if I scanned it and made a pdf, and broadcast it openly.	Jan 24 19:53
msb_	If they get pissed I can just do it on BT only.	Jan 24 19:53
lenngray	The existence of actual good information falls prey to the success of the idea of the "sound bite".	Jan 24 19:53
lenngray	People can just spout off the top of their heads things like "we're a country of laws, not of people".	Jan 24 19:53
lenngray	And they _do_ just spout such things off the tops of their heads.	Jan 24 19:54
msb_	Well, that's a good thing to point out.	Jan 24 19:54
msb_	The self-sustaining psychopathy -- let's call it the Plague for short -- has many methods of fighting exposure -- many propaganda techniques, cutting off communication, etc.	Jan 24 19:56
msb_	We can list these, and properly attribute them to the Plague.	Jan 24 19:57
gde33	facinating, indeed the sound bite is the prime mover in dividing people	Jan 24 19:57
gde33	I declare "The War On The Sound Bite!"	Jan 24 19:58
gde33	let them debunk that with their 20 second effort	Jan 24 19:58
gde33	this was how far I got at the time http://blog.go-here.nl/7980	Jan 24 20:02
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msb_	gde33: Very good set of links in the middle of that page!	Jan 24 20:10
gde33	its crude but a start	Jan 24 20:11
gde33	I feel someone must combine all the projects into one easy to navigate website	Jan 24 20:11
gde33	the list is kinda old now, they've all existed for quite some time	Jan 24 20:12
gde33	some died or are gone but the rest is all quite established	Jan 24 20:13
msb_	but maybe all their different approaches will work with various different people.	Jan 24 20:13
msb_	so having so many is good	Jan 24 20:13
gde33	cant expect average netzen to make sense of all these things	Jan 24 20:14
gde33	the thing for them might be out there, unlikely they would find it	Jan 24 20:14
msb_	gde33: You could add David Korten and Stefan Verstappen to your page. There are links on mine - cosmicpenguin.com	Jan 24 20:17
msb_	Also Michael Parenti and sott.net	Jan 24 20:19
gde33	is verstappen running a project for this?	Jan 24 20:19
msb_	He has some good videos about psychopathy.	Jan 24 20:20
gde33	ideally it will be a list of organizations that do things, not sure what korten is doing here http://www.davidkorten.org/	Jan 24 20:20
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gde33	it looks lovely ofc	Jan 24 20:20
gde33	ah he has some links here to "get involved" http://www.davidkorten.org/how-to-get-involved	Jan 24 20:21
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msb_	two Verstappen links in my blue box near the top.	Jan 24 20:22
gde33	ill check those out later, looks interesting	Jan 24 20:22
gde33	but dont get me wrong, I'm not trying to make a repository of good ideas	Jan 24 20:23
gde33	I want to unite the greenpeace and kiva kind of organizations into one wrapper	Jan 24 20:23
msb_	That Korten video is great!	Jan 24 20:23
gde33	things that involve actual action not simply ideas, efforts to sell books or magazines	Jan 24 20:23
gde33	if I would include those the list would be in the thousands	Jan 24 20:24
msb_	Maybe the dozens.	Jan 24 20:24
msb_	But people are so badly indoctrinated that they need a lot of good stuff to read .	Jan 24 20:25
gde33	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pictures_of_Starving_Children_Sell_Records	Jan 24 20:25
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msb_	So they can get unscrewed well enough to be motivated to do somethiing, and choose the right thing.	Jan 24 20:26
msb_	Well anyhow, I'm gonna steal stuff from _your_ website!	Jan 24 20:26
gde33	A library is so hard to make	Jan 24 20:26
gde33	haha, good luck!	Jan 24 20:26
msb_	Nah, not with html.	Jan 24 20:27
msb_	Just make some categories, put those in pastel-colored boxes. Download my html to see how, if you need to.	Jan 24 20:29
msb_	Hey, you already have Verstappen in Conspiracy. Or did you just put that in.	Jan 24 20:29
gde33	hehe	Jan 24 20:29
gde33	I stopped knowing what is onthere at post 4000 or so	Jan 24 20:30
msb_	I like the politics and finance video a little better.	Jan 24 20:31
msb_	scientists is misspelled at the bottom of the conspiracy page	Jan 24 20:31
gde33	I wish I could easily make all the youtube videos into torrents	Jan 24 20:31
msb_	Why?	Jan 24 20:31
gde33	because everythign older than 5 years has a 30% chance to be gone	Jan 24 20:32
gde33	ALL google videos are gone	Jan 24 20:32
gde33	it would be nice to have a torrent link under each video	Jan 24 20:32
gde33	google does elaborate censorship	Jan 24 20:33
msb_	I just copy them using youtube-dl http://youtube-dl.org/ and point to them. Then BT them if they disappear and you can't get them back up.	Jan 24 20:33
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gde33	they avoid contagious areas to save money	Jan 24 20:33
gde33	takes a lot of manual labor to do that :/	Jan 24 20:34
gde33	does this link work? http://www.idealist.org/search/v2/?qs=QlpoOTFBWSZTWVbWDMkAAD8fgAMAMAIBAAAAvuffoCAAciI0AAAGgaJlPKZTeo0meiRsbLANxov0zNteAk4QDGZ0DAuucqC2eeRbeAT3p5VZFIBMzjgboDlr3GT-GlBqoM3t5Cf61gWBKSSqEYD-eISBjsTgGaiufxdyRThQkFbWDMk=	Jan 24 20:36
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msb_	Yes, but this one works better! http://www.idealist.org/search/v2/?search_type=org	Jan 24 20:39
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msb_	gde33: "contagious areas"?	Jan 24 20:39
msb_	do you mean contentious?	Jan 24 20:40
gde33	anything involving conflict basically	Jan 24 20:40
msb_	yup, then contentious	Jan 24 20:41
gde33	or stigma	Jan 24 20:41
gde33	it is hard to capture it in a few words	Jan 24 20:41
gde33	anything that may involve extra work or legal implications	Jan 24 20:41
gde33	if you ask for a site to be banned because of bla bla they will do so	Jan 24 20:42
gde33	if you ask for your site to be unbanned they will do that to if bla bla doesnt make much sense	Jan 24 20:42
gde33	the corporate interests are always right	Jan 24 20:43
msb_	Well you can always put the videos on your site. They can't take them off that way.	Jan 24 20:43
gde33	they can still remove you from the search index	Jan 24 20:43
gde33	talk about automated processes ruling people... hah...	Jan 24 20:44
msb_	Yeah, one shitpig destroyed Usenet for file-sharing by automatically issuing takedowns for everything.	Jan 24 20:45
gde33	I blame ignorant software developers who cant escape the info shilling	Jan 24 20:47
gde33	hah ideallist is already doing everything I thought of and more	Jan 24 20:53
msb_	The 94000 orgs?	Jan 24 20:57
gde33	http://www.idealist.org/info/About/Funding	Jan 24 20:57
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schestowitz	> http://www.pcworld.com/article/2873561/google-just-made-it-easier-to-run-linux-on-your-chromebook.html	Jan 24 23:20
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schestowitz	>	Jan 24 23:20
schestowitz	> promoting the theme that Chrome is somehow not linux, another reason to	Jan 24 23:20
schestowitz	> clarify with GNU/Linux vs Android/Linux and Chrome/Linux.	Jan 24 23:21
schestowitz	yes, I have already rebutted this article over this flaw. Rianne found it.	Jan 24 23:21
cubexyz	Chrome OS is more of a thin client	Jan 24 23:27
cubexyz	haven't really used it much though	Jan 24 23:28
msb_	cubexyz: Hi! did you get my mail?	Jan 24 23:29
cubexyz	checking	Jan 24 23:30
cubexyz	I think Chrome OS does use a patched Linux kernel, so Chrome/Linux seems a reasonable description	Jan 24 23:30
cubexyz	msb_, got it	Jan 24 23:31
msb_	great!	Jan 24 23:31
cubexyz	should I throttle or...?	Jan 24 23:32
MinceR	i thought it also used GNU	Jan 24 23:32
msb_	cubexyz: nope -- let 'er rip.	Jan 24 23:32
cubexyz	msb_, ok :)	Jan 24 23:32
cubexyz	MinceR, yes I believe that's right	Jan 24 23:34
cubexyz	I think there's some proprietary stuff in there too	Jan 24 23:34
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cubexyz	and naturally Stallman doesn't approve of it	Jan 24 23:35
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MinceR	well yes, chrome is proprietary	Jan 24 23:35
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cubexyz	you want Chromium OS if you want all the source	Jan 24 23:36
cubexyz	how many chromebooks do you figure were sold? anyone have numbers?	Jan 24 23:39
cubexyz	5.2 million units in 2014	Jan 24 23:41
MinceR	dunno, but they did make the news at least twice for being top 10 or something on amazon	Jan 24 23:41
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comradekingu	unsuprisingly camerons corner is a losing one for the public at large	Jan 18 00:36
DaemonFC	http://www.linuxvoice.com/interview-lennart-poettering/	Jan 18 00:53
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DaemonFC	In some sense, a central development model is probably better, but the BSDs have never really had the development resources to produce a very usable operating system for desktops and workstations.	Jan 18 00:54
DaemonFC	So I am afraid that my experience with BSD operating systems is limited because there's almost always important hardware that I have that doesn't work right under any BSD.	Jan 18 00:55
DaemonFC	PC-BSD was fun to play around with. I actually got it mostly working on an old laptop once.	Jan 18 00:55
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MinceR	if poettering hates gnu/linux so much, he should apply for a job at microsoft	Jan 18 01:01
MinceR	instead of trying to turn gnu/linux into windows	Jan 18 01:01
cubexyz	the original ideas are bell labs ideas	Jan 18 01:02
cubexyz	bsd added to that and diverged	Jan 18 01:02
comradekingu	I always liked the model of BSD, i just think their choice of license held them down. But then again i cant stand systemd	Jan 18 01:02
cubexyz	Linux came out a _lot_ later on	Jan 18 01:02
comradekingu	bell labs made a lot of greatness	Jan 18 01:02
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cubexyz	so the template was created mostly by Thompson & Ritchie	Jan 18 01:03
comradekingu	I would pay money to see a low-budget horror movie about the feature-creep	Jan 18 01:03
comradekingu	Everyone is running software that turns into something else	Jan 18 01:03
cubexyz	just study the evolution of unix	Jan 18 01:03
cubexyz	the feature-creep will be easily apparent	Jan 18 01:04
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comradekingu	how so, i thought it was quite good untill now	Jan 18 01:05
cubexyz	BSD was botched up by the UC Berkeley and AT&T lawsuit over ownership of the code	Jan 18 01:05
comradekingu	It all trickles down onto whatever one finds usable	Jan 18 01:06
cubexyz	so Linux got a foothold	Jan 18 01:06
cubexyz	there's lots of stupid stuff in BSD and Linux	Jan 18 01:07
cubexyz	bugs in wall.c for example	Jan 18 01:07
cubexyz	you go back far enough, most of the bugs disappear	Jan 18 01:07
cubexyz	but sometimes bad stuff is added in	Jan 18 01:07
cubexyz	there's bugs in the original unix v5 of course	Jan 18 01:08
cubexyz	it's just now things are so complex that one person can't understand it all	Jan 18 01:08
cubexyz	in the v5 days, one person could conceivably fix everything	Jan 18 01:09
comradekingu	well as things grow people depend on the bad parts working	Jan 18 01:09
comradekingu	i wonder if the total amount of critical bugs go down or up	Jan 18 01:10
cubexyz	I know one guy who studied RT-11 for 30 years	Jan 18 01:10
cubexyz	and I asked him how well he understood all the code	Jan 18 01:10
cubexyz	he replied "I understand about 1/3 of it"	Jan 18 01:10
cubexyz	ok, now RT-11 is much simpler than a modern Linux or BSD distro	Jan 18 01:11
cubexyz	I've run FC1 for over 10 years	Jan 18 01:12
cubexyz	I've fixed a lot of stuff... but there's no way I've fixed everything	Jan 18 01:12
comradekingu	this is also just the one guy, but i think a lot of us depend on quite few people when it comes to understanding enough not to do damage	Jan 18 01:12
cubexyz	also no one cares if you fix old distros	Jan 18 01:13
cubexyz	who do you need the bug fixes to?	Jan 18 01:13
cubexyz	s/need/sent/	Jan 18 01:13
comradekingu	i guess ideology becomes important then. Support the one that overall makes the most sense and has the solid foundation to build on	Jan 18 01:13
cubexyz	so if I fix an old FC1 bug all I can do is put it up on the net	Jan 18 01:13
comradekingu	Lets say pottering and friends understand their systemd. Did they plan for it to become what it is, and what it will be in the future?	Jan 18 01:14
DaemonFC	<comradekingu> i wonder if the total amount of critical bugs go down or up	Jan 18 01:14
DaemonFC	It depends on whether they're actively adding new features or not.	Jan 18 01:14
cubexyz	I'm not going to use systemd, so I just avoid it (mostly)	Jan 18 01:14
cubexyz	I have one machine that has it... Fedora 16 I think it is	Jan 18 01:14
DaemonFC	It's improved a lot.	Jan 18 01:15
comradekingu	DaemonFC: but bad code is bugs, not new features	Jan 18 01:15
cubexyz	mostly BSD and Linux work well, I'm not saying it's junk or anything	Jan 18 01:15
cubexyz	I'm just saying there's _some_ bugs still	Jan 18 01:16
comradekingu	lets say they are all superflous, the base system can be secure for someone who only need the base components	Jan 18 01:16
comradekingu	but are we historically at a good place with linux?	Jan 18 01:16
cubexyz	there's bugs beyond that though	Jan 18 01:16
cubexyz	BIOS bugs :)	Jan 18 01:16
cubexyz	chip bugs	Jan 18 01:17
cubexyz	we are better off now, yes	Jan 18 01:17
cubexyz	generally speaking	Jan 18 01:17
cubexyz	the 90's were the dark ages of computing in my opinion	Jan 18 01:17
cubexyz	the 80's was chaotic	Jan 18 01:17
cubexyz	the 70's everything was extremely expensive	Jan 18 01:18
comradekingu	but there are some quite significant powers that might now have manifested themselves in the stability of things	Jan 18 01:18
cubexyz	getting back to BSD for a second, there was a giant chunk of BSD code in SVR4	Jan 18 01:19
cubexyz	so AT&T had to back down	Jan 18 01:19
cubexyz	so "Unix" is the aggregate of Bell and Berkeley and many others	Jan 18 01:20
cubexyz	but the average programmer can't really do a lot about chip bugs or BIOS bugs	Jan 18 01:21
cubexyz	those require a lot of time and study to fix	Jan 18 01:21
comradekingu	I think if something is hard to do you get better results doing it. Back then if you did something it would have to be good to make up for the expence	Jan 18 01:21
comradekingu	Whereas now the quality of things is as mediocre as the effort it takes to make them	Jan 18 01:22
cubexyz	the thing is you _can_ fix things with an open source OS and access to the toolchain	Jan 18 01:22
cubexyz	that wasn't true for home computers in the 80s	Jan 18 01:23
cubexyz	we had closed source OSes, and non-flashable BIOS in many cases	Jan 18 01:23
comradekingu	But then again they operated on prinsiples that were easier to grasp and get to function	Jan 18 01:23
comradekingu	even with gplv2 only you wont get anything beyond that, open source and all	Jan 18 01:25
comradekingu	so there will probably still be duplication of effort for the foreseeable future	Jan 18 01:25
cubexyz	it's interesting because each era had it's champion	Jan 18 01:26
cubexyz	e.g. the KDE 1.0 guys hated KDE 2.0 :)	Jan 18 01:26
cubexyz	so they left the KDE project	Jan 18 01:26
cubexyz	same thing happened again with KDE 4, the KDE 3 guys didn't like it	Jan 18 01:26
cubexyz	so you get a constant influx of new people writing code for things	Jan 18 01:27
comradekingu	yes, but what if someone with insight designed a desktop environment	Jan 18 01:27
comradekingu	Back when the limitations were hard and many it seems it was easy enough to make something that was the best it could be	Jan 18 01:28
cubexyz	well everybody does there own thing, that's why we have a ton of different window managers	Jan 18 01:28
cubexyz	it used to be just xwm, one simple thing	Jan 18 01:28
comradekingu	all good, but what will be the wikipedia of operating systems?	Jan 18 01:28
cubexyz	it's a moving target, there's no one best way to make an OS	Jan 18 01:29
MinceR	an OS where political cliques battle it out to get their code in? :>	Jan 18 01:30
comradekingu	the best way is surely to organize people doing it, and pulling towards a good goal	Jan 18 01:30
cubexyz	anyone can do anything in userland	Jan 18 01:31
comradekingu	but even if people suck, well organized people suck less	Jan 18 01:31
cubexyz	you can roll your own distro, do what you want :)	Jan 18 01:31
comradekingu	that is always the fallback	Jan 18 01:31
comradekingu	but what end to a means is a benefit big enough to fork	Jan 18 01:31
comradekingu	we already know what the worst of the worst is, but what does the future hold in terms of things that are truly great	Jan 18 01:33
comradekingu	if something gives enough meaning it cant stay hidden for too long.	Jan 18 01:33
cubexyz	the original Unix ideas were good, we should keep that in mind	Jan 18 01:33
cubexyz	it's the cleanest and most useful design	Jan 18 01:34
comradekingu	Even if we as a whole keep throwing effort into the hole	Jan 18 01:34
comradekingu	ok, but is it only valuable in terms of itself, or is it darwinistic	Jan 18 01:34
cubexyz	the pioneer days are sort of over now	Jan 18 01:34
comradekingu	is systemd doomed because it doesnt do things that way	Jan 18 01:34
cubexyz	it would be very difficult to make a completely new system	Jan 18 01:34
cubexyz	well, I used FC1 for over a decade so I know it's pretty useable	Jan 18 01:35
cubexyz	that's a pretty good run, and I'm still using it	Jan 18 01:36
comradekingu	i think with more power new systems will come, and innovations that consider humans and machines are on the rise	Jan 18 01:36
cubexyz	really the new stuff isn't very great, honestly speaking	Jan 18 01:36
comradekingu	link?	Jan 18 01:36
comradekingu	so ive noticed	Jan 18 01:36
cubexyz	laptops have a huge heat problem	Jan 18 01:37
cubexyz	the Von Neuman bottleneck is getting worse :)	Jan 18 01:37
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cubexyz	some video cards actually destroy themselves from heat	Jan 18 01:37
cubexyz	more integration on the motherboard means it's harder to fix	Jan 18 01:38
cubexyz	no one sells manuals with their computers	Jan 18 01:38
cubexyz	no BIOS source code... etc, etc	Jan 18 01:39
comradekingu	isnt hp doing some rambus ramdac fancy memory thing	Jan 18 01:39
comradekingu	cubexyz: i think we will return to that. Its a race to the top	Jan 18 01:39
comradekingu	After all, the desktop level performance was met 10 years ago.	Jan 18 01:40
comradekingu	And anything fancier is hardware accelerated, so its not like one cant catch up	Jan 18 01:40
cubexyz	well there's another issue, that distros are big fat pigs with montronously big glibc :)	Jan 18 01:41
cubexyz	so efficiency is very bad	Jan 18 01:41
cubexyz	so sure, a redo will probably happen at some point	Jan 18 01:42
cubexyz	I've basically done that... by fixing Unix v5 bugs	Jan 18 01:43
comradekingu	interesting concept	Jan 18 01:44
cubexyz	I explain that here:	Jan 18 01:45
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comradekingu	palimpsest yonder, rewrite anew	Jan 18 01:46
cubexyz	sort of, yes :)	Jan 18 01:46
cubexyz	easier than starting over completely	Jan 18 01:47
comradekingu	tiny-core appeals to me too	Jan 18 01:47
cubexyz	it's good, but not particularly memory efficient	Jan 18 01:48
comradekingu	robert shingledecker is very old, mabye thats why its so sleek compared to modern things	Jan 18 01:48
comradekingu	well ill take it over what i use now any day	Jan 18 01:48
cubexyz	if you want something with a lot of features that is still pretty lean then OpenBSD + icewm isn't bad	Jan 18 01:49
comradekingu	i dont want bsd license	Jan 18 01:50
comradekingu	and i want something that looks nice	Jan 18 01:50
comradekingu	but i always take speed according to ability	Jan 18 01:50
cubexyz	you probably won't like any of my suggestions since I generally use well-maintained older computers	Jan 18 01:51
comradekingu	i do like that too, but more as a hobby appeal	Jan 18 01:51
comradekingu	old manuals really have a way of communicating something in the manner it works	Jan 18 01:52
comradekingu	i like that	Jan 18 01:52
cubexyz	I used to use Fedora a lot, now on the Linux side I'm using Slackware more these days	Jan 18 01:52
cubexyz	I'm not sure what to recommend	Jan 18 01:52
cubexyz	if you want something really different there's Haiku, or Plan 9	Jan 18 01:54
DaemonFC	It would be nice to see Fedora's installer get their partitioning tool in better shape.	Jan 18 01:54
DaemonFC	Other than that, it's very easy to set up and use.	Jan 18 01:54
MinceR	gn	Jan 18 01:54
cubexyz	it's not too hard to write Motif/X software for BSD and Linux	Jan 18 01:58
cubexyz	so if I write a Linux gui to do something I make sure it also works on BSD	Jan 18 01:59
cubexyz	not sure how the license stuff works there but I don't worry about it too much	Jan 18 01:59
comradekingu	interoperability is good, i dont want a 4 out of 5 os. I want all the parts i think are good	Jan 18 02:00
comradekingu	anyhow, nice talking to you, but i must go to bed. Goodnight :)	Jan 18 02:01
cubexyz	laterz	Jan 18 02:03
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schestowitz__	Diaspora surely is still broken, joindiaspora at least (since around 3 PM GMT yesterday). Helps me realise how dependent I became.	Jan 18 08:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Improving KDE's support for Korean (and other	Jan 18 09:36
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XFaCE	+3	Jan 18 21:04
XFaCE	MinceR: "Well, the reason that Lennart gets it where Torvalds and Theo don't, is that while they're all assholes, Torvalds goes out of his way to ensure that people don't break stuff, and Theo takes other people's broken stuff, cleans it up and gives us a clean fixed version. Meanwhile Lennart makes all sorts of disruptive changes, this isn't a value statement on whether the changes are good or bad, but that he causes all sorts of changes in how peopl	Jan 18 21:04
XFaCE	e interact with their systems which naturally ruffles a lot of feathers, it doesn't help that early versions of his software are often buggy and can cause bad interactions which break things (see pulse exposing all sorts of ALSA bugs)."	Jan 18 21:04
MinceR	Intolerant Regent P breaks other people's stuff for no reason and expects them to clean up his mess	Jan 18 21:07
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MinceR	oh, it's old, never mind	Jan 18 21:11
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DaemonFC	I actually did have Windows Me on one of my computers.	Jan 18 23:17
DaemonFC	From the way people were bitching about it, I must have had the only copy that worked.	Jan 18 23:17
DaemonFC	Major improvement over Windows 98. I believe I got the Windows Me disc for $20. Microsoft had a promo upgrade box that worked for anyone who had Windows 98.	Jan 18 23:18
DaemonFC	If you were still on Windows 95, you had to buy the regular upgrade box though.	Jan 18 23:18
DaemonFC	Well, some badly written apps apparently stopped working, and I think that was mainly due to Windows File Protection.	Jan 18 23:19
DaemonFC	It was a solution for dll hell, where lots of programs simply overwrote the Windows copy of a dll with their own. It had been a major source of stability problems with Windows 9x. Windows Me lets the file get overwritten and then immediately copies back over it with the Windows version of the file.	Jan 18 23:20
DaemonFC	So instead of allowing Windows to be damaged, maybe there's a few programs that won't work quite right.	Jan 18 23:21
MinceR	winblows comes damaged out of the box	Jan 18 23:30
MinceR	gn	Jan 18 23:33
cubexyz	it's really mind pollution	Jan 19 00:31
cubexyz	and it's mostly the fault of educational institutions	Jan 19 00:31
cubexyz	instead of thinking about operating systems and concepts people have been trained to think in specifics	Jan 19 00:32
cubexyz	e.g. instead of thinking "I need a software presentation program" people think "I need PowerPoint"	Jan 19 00:33
cubexyz	instead of thinking "I need a word processor" they think "I need Word"	Jan 19 00:34
cubexyz	this just wasn't the case in the early 1990s and earlier	Jan 19 00:35
cubexyz	now the most egregious example of this is how people can't go from one operating system to another without major difficulty	Jan 19 00:36
TweetTuxMachines	@ktheur @tuxmachines @holarse @prolinux_de is there any	Jan 19 01:52
TweetTuxMachines	practical and stable solution to make 'let's	Jan 19 01:52
TweetTuxMachines	play videos' for youtube/twitch for (x)ubuntu?	Jan 19 01:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NVIDIA Releases Massive Stable Driver, Brings	Jan 19 02:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Mint 18 Could Adopt Systemd	Jan 19 02:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Leftovers http://t.co/F7jrBmJZUH	Jan 19 12:53
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 12:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh1vq	Jan 19 12:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 12:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Adobe's Photoshop Ditched for Krita at French	Jan 19 12:53
TweetTuxMachines	University Due to Lack of Support	Jan 19 12:53
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/VmaDq4QiTM (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 12:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh1vr	Jan 19 12:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Adobe's Photoshop Ditched for Krita at French University Due to Lack of Support \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 12:53
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XFaCE	MinceR: Hello to brazil	Jan 19 14:30
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MinceR	brazil?	Jan 19 14:34
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XFaCE	MinceR: or wherever you live	Jan 19 14:40
MinceR	brazil would be better	Jan 19 14:40
MinceR	i live in orbanistan	Jan 19 14:40
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sebsebseb		Jan 19 14:56
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Sosumi	http://www.macrumors.com/2015/01/19/martin-luther-king-jr-apple-home-page/	Jan 19 16:48
Sosumi	lol, crapple honoring MLK	Jan 19 16:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.macrumors.com \| Apple Honors Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. on Its Home Page - Mac Rumors [ http://ur1.ca/jh3lu ]		Jan 19 16:48
Sosumi	the company that basically has confined your computing to walled garden	Jan 19 16:48
Sosumi	both hardware and software wise	Jan 19 16:48
sebsebseb	Sosumi: how so? :d	Jan 19 17:13
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sebsebseb	How's it going jono ?	Jan 19 18:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines PLANNING FOR FEDORA WORKSTATION 22	Jan 19 21:08
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ldcx9BZe3z (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 21:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh5mj	Jan 19 21:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| PLANNING FOR FEDORA WORKSTATION 22 \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 21:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Will Google Glass 2.0 be the next iPod?	Jan 19 21:08
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/614MoAND4a (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 21:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh5mn	Jan 19 21:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Will Google Glass 2.0 be the next iPod? \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 21:08
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MinceR	gn	Jan 19 22:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft Can’t Sell Laptops or Phones	Jan 19 22:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/GNRuxb2drK (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 22:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh69k	Jan 19 22:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Microsoft Can’t Sell Laptops or Phones \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 22:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What’s new in SUSE LINUX 12?	Jan 19 22:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/XPBB5boFLB (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 22:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh69n	Jan 19 22:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| What’s new in SUSE LINUX 12? \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 22:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Security problems need to be made public: Linus	Jan 19 22:32
TweetTuxMachines	Torvalds http://t.co/DcFABB6C6F	Jan 19 22:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 22:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh69o	Jan 19 22:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Security problems need to be made public: Linus Torvalds \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 22:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 5 favorite Raspberry Pi and Arduino projects	Jan 19 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/65FcbmK9Ay (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh6od	Jan 19 23:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 5 favorite Raspberry Pi and Arduino projects \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Cinnamon 2.6 to Get Systemd Support	Jan 19 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/E8Na3EjD3L (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh6oe	Jan 19 23:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Cinnamon 2.6 to Get Systemd Support \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Analysis Of The Top 10 Linux Distributions Of	Jan 19 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	2014 http://t.co/dW8gxvhZEA	Jan 19 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh6of	Jan 19 23:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Analysis Of The Top 10 Linux Distributions Of 2014 \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Could Be the First OS on Planet Mars	Jan 19 23:52
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jdegjDn6gc (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 23:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh6tm	Jan 19 23:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Could Be the First OS on Planet Mars \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 23:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines `ALBERT`: A FAST, LIGHTWEIGHT QUICK LAUNCHER	Jan 19 23:52
TweetTuxMachines	FOR LINUX http://t.co/CtfE263dfR	Jan 19 23:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 23:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh6tp	Jan 19 23:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| `ALBERT`: A FAST, LIGHTWEIGHT QUICK LAUNCHER FOR LINUX \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 23:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Xfce 0.9.0 Pre1 Shows How Open Source	Jan 19 23:52
TweetTuxMachines	Collaboration Works http://t.co/90Eg1vnt02	Jan 19 23:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 23:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh6tq	Jan 19 23:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Manjaro Xfce 0.9.0 Pre1 Shows How Open Source Collaboration Works \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 23:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Unzip Vulnerability Closed in Ubuntu OSes	Jan 20 01:17
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/GrkCtfeUwa (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 01:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh7f2	Jan 20 01:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Unzip Vulnerability Closed in Ubuntu OSes \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 01:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Adobe Opens Lightroom's Door to Android	Jan 20 01:17
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Mkg4WMCN9V (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 01:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh7f4	Jan 20 01:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Adobe Opens Lightroom's Door to Android \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 01:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BeagleBone SBC beefs up Lego Mindstorms EV3	Jan 20 04:43
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/fhE5NJIZJJ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 04:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh8y8	Jan 20 04:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| BeagleBone SBC beefs up Lego Mindstorms EV3 \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 04:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft Can’t Sell Laptops or Phones	Jan 20 04:58
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by http://t.co/GNRuxb2drK (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 04:58
TweetTuxMachines	@speedyx2000	Jan 20 04:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh91n	Jan 20 04:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Microsoft Can’t Sell Laptops or Phones \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 04:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Security problems need to be made public: Linus	Jan 20 04:58
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Torvalds http://t.co/DcFABB6C6F	Jan 20 04:58
TweetTuxMachines	@speedyx2000 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 04:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh91p	Jan 20 04:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Security problems need to be made public: Linus Torvalds \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 04:58
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MinceR	http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/01/17/over-80-percent-of-americans-support-mandatory-labels-on-foods-containing-dna/	Jan 20 06:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com \| Over 80 percent of Americans support “mandatory labels on foods containing DNA” - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/jgseb ]		Jan 20 06:37
DaemonFC	MinceR, I am the 20%!	Jan 20 08:16
DaemonFC	:D	Jan 20 08:16
DaemonFC	Smart smart smart. Smart smart smart smart smart..	Jan 20 08:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Analysis Of The Top 10 Linux Distributions Of	Jan 20 08:33
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by 2014 http://t.co/dW8gxvhZEA	Jan 20 08:33
TweetTuxMachines	@speedyx2000 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 08:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhah3	Jan 20 08:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Analysis Of The Top 10 Linux Distributions Of 2014 \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 08:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BeagleBone SBC beefs up Lego Mindstorms EV3	Jan 20 08:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Dlqx3Tgqlw (linuxgizmos.com)	Jan 20 08:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhah4	Jan 20 08:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| BeagleBone SBC beefs up Lego Mindstorms EV3		Jan 20 08:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Unzip Vulnerability Closed in Ubuntu OSes	Jan 20 08:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/AL98W9VJFp (linux.softpedia.com)	Jan 20 08:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhah9	Jan 20 08:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Unzip Vulnerability Closed in Ubuntu OSes - Softpedia		Jan 20 08:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Xfce 0.9.0 Pre1 Shows How Open Source	Jan 20 08:33
TweetTuxMachines	Collaboration Works http://t.co/LJGSZApwRL	Jan 20 08:33
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jan 20 08:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Manjaro Xfce 0.9.0 Pre1 Shows How Open Source Collaboration Works - Softpedia		Jan 20 08:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhaha	Jan 20 08:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Could Be the First OS on Planet Mars	Jan 20 08:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/dxji1icAkE (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 20 08:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhahb	Jan 20 08:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Could Be the First OS on Planet Mars - Softpedia		Jan 20 08:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ALBERT: A FAST, LIGHTWEIGHT QUICK LAUNCHER FOR	Jan 20 08:34
TweetTuxMachines	LINUX http://t.co/YsQJRZ2dRA (www.webupd8.org)	Jan 20 08:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhahi	Jan 20 08:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.webupd8.org \| `Albert`: A Fast, Lightweight Quick Launcher For Linux ~ Web Upd8: Ubuntu / Linux blog		Jan 20 08:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 5 favorite Raspberry Pi and Arduino projects	Jan 20 08:34
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/NweIMH2H7l (opensource.com)	Jan 20 08:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhahj	Jan 20 08:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| Five open hardware projects \| Opensource.com		Jan 20 08:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Analysis Of The Top 10 Linux Distributions Of	Jan 20 08:34
TweetTuxMachines	2014 http://t.co/mt91O7d1AW	Jan 20 08:34
TweetTuxMachines	(www.everydaylinuxuser.com)	Jan 20 08:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.everydaylinuxuser.com \| Analysis Of The Top 10 Linux Distributions Of 2014 « Everyday Linux User		Jan 20 08:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhahk	Jan 20 08:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What’s new in SUSE LINUX 12?	Jan 20 08:34
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/0AwflYp4EC (www.networkworld.com)	Jan 20 08:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhahn	Jan 20 08:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com \| What’s new in SUSE LINUX 12? \| Network World		Jan 20 08:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Security problems need to be made public: Linus	Jan 20 08:34
TweetTuxMachines	Torvalds http://t.co/K30yuiIt6r (www.zdnet.com)	Jan 20 08:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhaho	Jan 20 08:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Security problems need to be made public: Linus Torvalds \| ZDNet		Jan 20 08:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Will Google Glass 2.0 be the next iPod?	Jan 20 08:34
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/nQp9ENYeZL (jimlynch.com)	Jan 20 08:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhahp	Jan 20 08:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jimlynch.com \| Will Google Glass 2.0 be the next iPod? – Jim Lynch		Jan 20 08:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft Can’t Sell Laptops or Phones	Jan 20 08:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/BPYf3GhSeC (fossforce.com)	Jan 20 08:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhajs	Jan 20 08:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com \| Microsoft Can't Sell Laptops or Phones \| FOSS Force		Jan 20 08:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines PLANNING FOR FEDORA WORKSTATION 22	Jan 20 08:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jKbDcvl1fC (blogs.gnome.org)	Jan 20 08:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhajt	Jan 20 08:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org \| Planning for Fedora Workstation 22 \| Christian Schaller		Jan 20 08:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ideal Backups with zbackup	Jan 20 08:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/QalldRHw9A (www.linuxjournal.com)	Jan 20 08:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhaju	Jan 20 08:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxjournal.com \| Ideal Backups with zbackup \| Linux Journal		Jan 20 08:44
*TweetTuxMachines @andreaschriscy favourited '5 favorite Raspberry Pi and Arduino projects https://t.co/NweIMH2H7l'		Jan 20 08:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| Five open hardware projects \| Opensource.com		Jan 20 08:45
*TweetTuxMachines @andreaschriscy favourited 'BeagleBone SBC beefs up Lego Mindstorms EV3 http://t.co/Dlqx3Tgqlw'		Jan 20 08:47
*TweetTuxMachines @andreaschriscy favourited 'BeagleBone SBC beefs up Lego Mindstorms EV3 http://t.co/fhE5NJIZJJ'		Jan 20 08:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| BeagleBone SBC beefs up Lego Mindstorms EV3		Jan 20 08:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| BeagleBone SBC beefs up Lego Mindstorms EV3 \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 08:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines PhotoQt Image Viewer Reached 1.2, Dozens Added	Jan 20 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	Features http://t.co/8Vlt1bfcaC	Jan 20 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxarena.com)	Jan 20 09:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxarena.com \| PhotoQt Image Viewer Reached 1.2, Dozens Added Features \| TuxArena		Jan 20 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhau0	Jan 20 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Keep your Diary on Linux with RedNoteBook	Jan 20 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/SDrIKfzpHU (linuxaria.com)	Jan 20 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhau1	Jan 20 09:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxaria.com \| » Linuxaria – Everything about GNU/Linux and Open source Keep your Diary on Linux with RedNoteBook		Jan 20 09:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung set to sell 30 Million Tizen TVs in	Jan 20 09:26
TweetTuxMachines	2015 http://t.co/7V3hvfIpec	Jan 20 09:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tizenexperts.com)	Jan 20 09:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com \| Samsung set to sell 30 Million Tizen TVs in 2015 - Tizen Experts		Jan 20 09:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhau2	Jan 20 09:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Bodhi Linux 3.0.0 RC2 Reloaded	Jan 20 09:30
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/OF1BFBeMQ3	Jan 20 09:30
TweetTuxMachines	(jeffhoogland.blogspot.co.uk)	Jan 20 09:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jeffhoogland.blogspot.co.uk \| Thoughts on Technology: Bodhi Linux 3.0.0 RC2 Reloaded		Jan 20 09:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhave	Jan 20 09:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Could Be the First OS on Planet Mars	Jan 20 09:30
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/dxji1icAkE (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 20 09:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhavf	Jan 20 09:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Could Be the First OS on Planet Mars - Softpedia		Jan 20 09:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora Infrastructure DB dumps	Jan 20 09:30
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/WiAZmtIFXj (www.scrye.com)	Jan 20 09:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhavh	Jan 20 09:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.scrye.com \| Kevin's musings » Fedora Infrastructure DB dumps		Jan 20 09:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23 Likely To Pursue Wayland By Default	Jan 20 09:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/edSsIqGpAf (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 20 09:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhawu	Jan 20 09:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Fedora 23 Likely To Pursue Wayland By Default - Phoronix		Jan 20 09:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung set to sell 30 Million Tizen TVs in	Jan 20 09:35
TweetTuxMachines	2015 http://t.co/AF5K0jFsGW	Jan 20 09:35
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 09:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhaww	Jan 20 09:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Samsung set to sell 30 Million Tizen TVs in 2015 \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 09:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Bodhi Founder Returning as Ubuntu Heads to Mars	Jan 20 09:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ThxLBfklYL (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 09:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhawy	Jan 20 09:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Bodhi Founder Returning as Ubuntu Heads to Mars \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 09:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23 Likely To Pursue Wayland By Default	Jan 20 09:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/dU9jY5c6no (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 09:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhb2p	Jan 20 09:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Fedora 23 Likely To Pursue Wayland By Default \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 09:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Backup files on Linux with FreeFileSync	Jan 20 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/peY5gMFpf3 (linuxaria.com)	Jan 20 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhb2q	Jan 20 09:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxaria.com \| » Linuxaria – Everything about GNU/Linux and Open source Backup files on Linux with FreeFileSync		Jan 20 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Makulu Cinnamon 2.0 is Live !	Jan 20 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/yfZ32MeKZR (makululinux.com)	Jan 20 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhb2s	Jan 20 09:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-makululinux.com \| Makulu Cinnamon 2.0 is Live ! \| MakuluLinux		Jan 20 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro 0.8.11 - The lonely goatherd	Jan 20 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/lYbSwjGMBE (www.dedoimedo.com)	Jan 20 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhb2t	Jan 20 09:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dedoimedo.com \| Manjaro 0.8.11 - The lonely goatherd		Jan 20 09:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A Proposal To Go 64-bit Only With Fedora 23	Jan 20 10:18
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ivQGNmlJ3t (www.phoronix.com) a	Jan 20 10:18
TweetTuxMachines	rather terrible idea, see comments	Jan 20 10:18
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhb83	Jan 20 10:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Mint 17.1 "Rebecca" KDE Review: The Best	Jan 20 10:18
TweetTuxMachines	KDE spin I have used! http://t.co/4B13xFQFgK	Jan 20 10:18
TweetTuxMachines	(mylinuxexplore.blogspot.co.uk)	Jan 20 10:18
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhb84	Jan 20 10:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Many Linux Desktop 2D Benchmarks Of NVIDIA vs.	Jan 20 10:19
TweetTuxMachines	AMD Drivers http://t.co/PKxgQR0iVm	Jan 20 10:19
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jan 20 10:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Makulu Cinnamon 2.0 is Live !	Jan 20 10:19
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/dmHQ1BeCVw (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 10:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro 0.8.11 - The lonely goatherd	Jan 20 10:19
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/0q2MNChxOX (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 10:19
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhb8c	Jan 20 10:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A Proposal To Go 64-bit Only With Fedora 23	Jan 20 10:19
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ZSc1fSlV8b (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 10:19
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhb8d	Jan 20 10:19
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5456127	Jan 20 11:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Ubuntu Could Be the First OS on Planet Mars http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-Could-Be-the-First-OS-on-MARS-470491.shtml #ubuntu #gnu #linux		Jan 20 11:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Could Be the First OS on Planet Mars - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/jhbj2 ]		Jan 20 11:14
schestowitz	"To infinity and beyond..."	Jan 20 11:14
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bbyfield/status/556944556441088000	Jan 20 11:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bbyfield: You could tell the effort was like pulling teeth, but #techrights actually grudgingly approved of something I wrote. Now, I'm worried.		Jan 20 11:16
schestowitz	Bruce, I link to many of your articles (almost all) and agree with most. I'm surprised you didn't notice.	Jan 20 11:16
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/556597518327640065	Jan 20 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gnutelephony: http://t.co/sgBJ5IqHKU no, never... my response unchanged http://t.co/t66J7QQqFD @mosayk28 @ioerror @NYCJulieNYC @brendanorrell @leashless		Jan 20 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blogs.wsj.com \| Obama Sides with Cameron in Encryption Fight - Digits - WSJ		Jan 20 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| GNU Telephony Addresses President Obama \| Techrights		Jan 20 11:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Mint 17.1 "Rebecca" KDE Review: The Best	Jan 20 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	KDE spin I have used! http://t.co/UCWWOW2qaP	Jan 20 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhblo	Jan 20 11:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Many Linux Desktop 2D Benchmarks Of NVIDIA vs.	Jan 20 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	AMD Drivers http://t.co/UoKYwjpbWk	Jan 20 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhblq	Jan 20 11:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNU Leftovers http://t.co/adRGVKUeAn	Jan 20 11:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 11:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhblr	Jan 20 11:27
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schestowitz	"Commenting regularly on news in relation to the “unitary patent package” and the remarkable things taking place in this context (cf. my “archive” on http://www.stjerna.de/unitary_patent.htm; some events are not too different from what you know from the EPO..), I have today published on my website the attached article. Part of it addresses possible implications of the recent incidents at the EPO for the further implementation	Jan 20 11:46
schestowitz	of the “unitary patent”."	Jan 20 11:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stjerna.de \| Dr. Ingve Bjrn Stjerna, LL.M. \| "Unitary Patent"		Jan 20 11:46
schestowitz	"	Jan 20 12:01
schestowitz	If possible, use this version of the "request for rectification" which is slightly amended over the one sent earlier.	Jan 20 12:01
schestowitz	Apologies for any confusion caused.	Jan 20 12:01
schestowitz	"	Jan 20 12:01
schestowitz	"This Croatian "request for rectification" - use this version preferably"	Jan 20 12:09
schestowitz	"	Jan 20 12:09
schestowitz	Great article. We enjoyed reading it.	Jan 20 12:09
schestowitz	We attach a copy of a request for rectification which Vesna Stilin has submitted to the Croatian website 45lines.com operated by Zeljko Peratovic.	Jan 20 12:09
schestowitz	Our guess is that Peratovic is unlikely to publish this voluntarily.	Jan 20 12:09
schestowitz	But let's see what happens ...	Jan 20 12:09
schestowitz	"	Jan 20 12:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 20/1/2015: Linux 3.19 RC5, 30 Years of	Jan 20 13:10
TweetTuxMachines	FSF http://t.co/2hKCCtIxVW (techrights.org)	Jan 20 13:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhc6p	Jan 20 13:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 20/1/2015: Linux 3.19 RC5, 30 Years of FSF \| Techrights		Jan 20 13:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Shadow Mapping in Qt3D 2.0	Jan 20 13:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9iqJkjOckj (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 13:10
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Chinedom/status/557515672847384577	Jan 20 13:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Chinedom: @Gon0S @schestowitz What would you say if these despicable Jihadists killed someone from your family but nobody knew & could stop it?		Jan 20 13:20
schestowitz	h https://twitter.com/Gon0S/status/557522005491449856ttps://twitter.com/Gon0S/status/557521540993286144	Jan 20 13:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Gon0S: @Chinedom @schestowitz lol, you're reacting on emotional basis. These new security laws have 0 effect on crazyness, only bigbrother effects		Jan 20 13:20
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Gon0S/status/557522005491449856	Jan 20 13:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Gon0S: @Chinedom @schestowitz and if we have To go on STASI level survey, terrorists win this fucking terror war as we loose our liberty		Jan 20 13:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Screenshots http://t.co/i2iA5iuG4P	Jan 20 14:03
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 14:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhcht	Jan 20 14:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Screenshots \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 14:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/79mF9741KR	Jan 20 14:03
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 14:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 14:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/ftJ0DupYhd	Jan 20 14:03
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 14:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/JiSilT8gjk	Jan 20 14:03
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 14:03
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Gon0S/status/557528492980850688 https://twitter.com/Gon0S/status/557528674745196545 https://twitter.com/Gon0S/status/557529274702635009	Jan 20 17:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Gon0S: @Chinedom @schestowitz putting an cybernetic cop behind every citizen will give you security ? 1/3		Jan 20 17:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Gon0S: @Chinedom @schestowitz 2/3, terrorists will use alternative ways to achieve their horrors, you can be sure of this		Jan 20 17:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Gon0S: @Chinedom @schestowitz 3/3 we will be jailed, politicians and elite will be able to make their shit business without any fears. Sweet !		Jan 20 17:24
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/nyakasanga/status/557558350054162432	Jan 20 17:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nyakasanga: @schestowitz not 2000 but 150 as #Nigerian authorities declare. If info is unclear what to protest ...		Jan 20 17:24
schestowitz	Even if that was 150 (which I doubt, maybe damage control), it should be huge news	Jan 20 17:25
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ioerror/status/557388027295588352	Jan 20 17:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ioerror: Terrorism is brutal beyond all comparison: https://t.co/cIOFmn3379 https://t.co/D08dT9eUaI		Jan 20 17:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com \| ★ Shock and Awe the initial bombing of baghdad ★ - YouTube		Jan 20 17:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com \| "Shock and Awe" The Beginning of the 2003 Invasion of Iraq (CNN Live Coverage) - YouTube		Jan 20 17:30
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/nyakasanga/status/557591256071946243 https://twitter.com/nyakasanga/status/557592967603818496	Jan 20 17:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nyakasanga: @schestowitz life has little value in Africa . Unfortunately the outside world cares more for Africans that their own leaders and elite do.		Jan 20 17:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nyakasanga: @schestowitz only exceptions are Kagame, Ramgoolam, and Khama.		Jan 20 17:47
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wyl13m	Hey guy anybody got an idea for a Pear OS replacement	Jan 20 17:51
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schestowitz	There;s the successor, Pearl	Jan 20 18:00
MinceR	he's gone :>	Jan 20 18:00
schestowitz	I know, but I wanted to state it for the record	Jan 20 18:10
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Sosumi	just wondering	Jan 20 18:28
Sosumi	is btrfs finally safe for deployment?	Jan 20 18:28
MinceR	afaict no	Jan 20 18:32
MinceR	then again i pretty much gave up on it when a btrfs that wasn't even old died on my usb flash drive	Jan 20 18:33
MinceR	probably in 2014	Jan 20 18:33
schestowitz	I would not touch btrfs myself	Jan 20 18:35
schestowitz	not just yet	Jan 20 18:35
schestowitz	not just because it's oracle	Jan 20 18:36
schestowitz	maybe on a test box I would	Jan 20 18:36
schestowitz	SUSE, IIRC, uses it for one of the partitions now by defauly	Jan 20 18:36
MinceR	suse is crap, though	Jan 20 18:36
schestowitz	it's an insult to crap	Jan 20 18:37
MinceR	:>	Jan 20 18:37
Sosumi	:)	Jan 20 18:37
schestowitz	google suse default btrfs	Jan 20 18:38
schestowitz	!google suse default btrfs	Jan 20 18:38
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - What to expect from Btrfs on openSUSE 13.2? - openSUSE News \| https://news.opensuse.org/2014/11/12/what-to-expect-from-btrfs-on-opensuse-13-2/	Jan 20 18:38
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - openSUSE 13.2 To Use Btrfs By Default, Major Changes - Phoronix \| http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php%3Fpage%3Dnews_item%26px%3DMTYzNjA	Jan 20 18:38
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Why SUSE Likes The Btrfs File-System - Phoronix \| http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php%3Fpage%3Dnews_item%26px%3DMTQ4ODE	Jan 20 18:38
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - OpenSUSE 13.2 To Use Btrfs By Default - Slashdot \| http://hardware-beta.slashdot.org/story/14/03/19/2125243/opensuse-132-to-use-btrfs-by-default	Jan 20 18:38
schestowitz	BTW	Jan 20 18:38
schestowitz	SUSE also was a booster of reiserfs back in the days	Jan 20 18:38
schestowitz	we know how it turned out...	Jan 20 18:38
Sosumi	no idea on that	Jan 20 18:39
Sosumi	but a quick google search says that it was their default until they decided to move to ext3 back in 2006	Jan 20 18:40
MinceR	http://media.giphy.com/media/fvgP4bUxrn2Ug/giphy.gif	Jan 20 18:42
Sosumi	Oburner	Jan 20 18:44
MinceR	:)	Jan 20 18:46
Sosumi	also, just noticed	Jan 20 18:53
Sosumi	there is going to be a M$ event announcing some new features to windows 10	Jan 20 18:53
Sosumi	tomorrow	Jan 20 18:53
Sosumi	what else is M$ going to copy paste from KDE?	Jan 20 18:54
Sosumi	or, lol, apple	Jan 20 18:54
MinceR	also, where else will they force the "browser" almost nobody wants to use?	Jan 20 18:56
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Chinedom/status/557613836950593538 https://twitter.com/Chinedom/status/557614967516848128 https://twitter.com/Gon0S/status/557615633643618308	Jan 20 19:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Chinedom: @Gon0S @schestowitz I hope you are being sincere. Libertarians always end up helping terrorists.		Jan 20 19:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Chinedom: @Gon0S @schestowitz Quite often, terrorists act as libertarians in order to confuse and confound.		Jan 20 19:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Gon0S: @Chinedom @schestowitz so for a few murderers, everybody should be spied by private corps, which have totally other purpose in mind ?		Jan 20 19:28
MinceR	build the global Empire of Humankind or the turrists win!	Jan 20 19:29
MinceR	(never mind that if that happens, the turrists win even harder)	Jan 20 19:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Install/Upgrade Linux Kernel To 3.18.3 Stable	Jan 20 19:43
TweetTuxMachines	In Ubuntu/Linux Mint/Peppermint	Jan 20 19:43
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/6sNF01RBz4 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 19:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhexh	Jan 20 19:43
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Sosumi	ho yes	Jan 20 20:46
Sosumi	they are going to rebrand internet explorer	Jan 20 20:46
MinceR	the "start menu" is now "start page" and is actually internet explorer	Jan 20 20:47
MinceR	the "metro" "apps" are actually internet explorer	Jan 20 20:47
MinceR	and you can run internet explorer in full screen and in a window	Jan 20 20:47
Sosumi	lol, is M$ for real on that?	Jan 20 20:48
MinceR	they are	Jan 20 20:48
Sosumi	facepalm	Jan 20 20:48
MinceR	baffling that they removed active desktop	Jan 20 20:48
MinceR	which was internet explorer... on the desktop	Jan 20 20:48
Sosumi	well, let's wait and see what else is M$ going to show tomorrow	Jan 20 20:50
Sosumi	on comedy day	Jan 20 20:50
Sosumi	:)	Jan 20 20:51
MinceR	maybe they'll merge with red hat	Jan 20 21:01
MinceR	who knows?	Jan 20 21:01
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MinceR	gn	Jan 20 22:46
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cubexyz	I wrote a bit about 'mind pollution'	Jan 21 00:45
cubexyz	http://cubexyz.blogspot.com	Jan 21 00:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cubexyz.blogspot.com \| Notes on Linux		Jan 21 00:45
cubexyz	trying to get tech journalists to write their articles in a platform independent manner	Jan 21 00:48
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cubexyz	msb_, just watched Forbidden Planet :)	Jan 21 04:01
cubexyz	it was pretty good	Jan 21 04:01
msb_	cubexyz: Yep, one of the great pioneering sci-fi movies.	Jan 21 04:02
cubexyz	it seems star trek probably got some inspiration from it	Jan 21 04:02
msb_	How so?	Jan 21 04:02
msb_	I mean, in particular.	Jan 21 04:03
cubexyz	beaming up, ray guns, quasi-military style	Jan 21 04:03
cubexyz	clueless guys getting killed :)	Jan 21 04:03
msb_	The entire sci-fi field is full of cross=fertilization.	Jan 21 04:03
cubexyz	oh definitely	Jan 21 04:04
msb_	Buck Rogers! That's the one I was trying to think of the other day.	Jan 21 04:04
msb_	There's an undercurrent of intelligence in most scifi.	Jan 21 04:05
msb_	Problem solving.	Jan 21 04:05
cubexyz	also "the plastic teacher" reminded me of the teacher from "Spock's Brain"	Jan 21 04:06
msb_	I remember that some aliens stole Spock's brain, but I don't remember a teacher.	Jan 21 04:07
cubexyz	it looked like a helmet...	Jan 21 04:07
cubexyz	you stuck it on your head and got accelerated learning	Jan 21 04:08
cubexyz	oh well, it wasn't one of the better episodes	Jan 21 04:08
msb_	Whenever they encountered something wondeful, Kirk had to destroy it. Like robot bodies for immortality.	Jan 21 04:10
msb_	That was the equation! Existence, survival, must cancel out programming!	Jan 21 04:11
cubexyz	Ted Cassidy :)	Jan 21 04:12
msb_	All he had to do was twist Kirk's neck and the Universe would have been a much better place!	Jan 21 04:13
cubexyz	haha	Jan 21 04:13
cubexyz	got to check out the original Trek on blu-ray someday	Jan 21 04:14
cubexyz	I guess you watched it in it's original run?	Jan 21 04:14
msb_	It's probably in bt.	Jan 21 04:14
msb_	Yep!	Jan 21 04:14
cubexyz	my computers are probably too old for blu-ray	Jan 21 04:15
msb_	You should get one new one.	Jan 21 04:15
cubexyz	I'm doing research on that... I want something really good	Jan 21 04:15
msb_	AMD FX-8350 is a pretty good cpu, and less than $200	Jan 21 04:16
cubexyz	what if I want non-x86? :)	Jan 21 04:17
cubexyz	got to fight the man ya know	Jan 21 04:18
msb_	$170, pricewatch	Jan 21 04:18
msb_	It's AMD. You are fighting the man!	Jan 21 04:18
cubexyz	125 watts is a bit on the piggy side	Jan 21 04:18
msb_	You live in Canada. You need the heat!	Jan 21 04:20
cubexyz	sure, a nice PDP-11/45 would help :)	Jan 21 04:21
msb_	This is going to be your one modern computer. You want 8GB of RAM, too.	Jan 21 04:22
msb_	I researched this. I was going to update my old dual core amd, but then found I can play x265's with mplayer.	Jan 21 04:23
msb_	Nearly saturates both cores, but who cares.	Jan 21 04:23
cubexyz	usually I strive for minimalism	Jan 21 04:23
msb_	The 8350 is 8 cores.	Jan 21 04:23
msb_	This is going to be your ONE modern computer.	Jan 21 04:24
cubexyz	I suppose I should have one	Jan 21 04:24
cubexyz	VIA's got a quadcore cpu now	Jan 21 04:25
msb_	I researched this about 6 months ago. The 8350 is the sweet spot of price/performance.	Jan 21 04:25
cubexyz	really I want good speed but also low wattage	Jan 21 04:25
msb_	Smoke some pot and close your eyes.	Jan 21 04:26
cubexyz	I guess that rules out vacuum tubes :)	Jan 21 04:26
cubexyz	which laptops do you like?	Jan 21 04:27
msb_	Unless they're cold-cathode and nano-sized.	Jan 21 04:27
msb_	Haven't looked into laptops. I don't get out much.	Jan 21 04:28
cubexyz	some of the I3's only use 18 watts	Jan 21 04:28
cubexyz	better than my P3 coppermine	Jan 21 04:28
msb_	I3's ?	Jan 21 04:29
cubexyz	intel i3	Jan 21 04:29
msb_	"<cubexyz> got to fight the man ya know"	Jan 21 04:30
cubexyz	oh, I didn't say I was going to buy it :)	Jan 21 04:30
msb_	You should not contaminate your brain by thinking about it.	Jan 21 04:30
cubexyz	I once asked for a laptop with all standardized parts and I was laughed at	Jan 21 04:31
msb_	There might be some kind of open-source one now.	Jan 21 04:32
cubexyz	I bet in the last 15 years I've spend less money on computers than anyone here	Jan 21 04:32
cubexyz	you wouldn't believe the stuff people throw out	Jan 21 04:33
msb_	Desktops have the best performance per price, and if anything fails you can buy a new one. All the parts cost less than $200 each -- cpu, ram, disk, mobo, case/ps.	Jan 21 04:33
cubexyz	yes, normally that's what I use	Jan 21 04:34
cubexyz	but sometimes I salvage laptops that people don't want	Jan 21 04:34
cubexyz	I fix them up, and put a different OS on each one	Jan 21 04:34
cubexyz		Jan 21 04:37
cubexyz	I just like the older motherboards	Jan 21 04:37
cubexyz	less integration	Jan 21 04:37
msb_	Hey, could you try getting on irc.opensuse.org? It went down for me almost two days ago and I can't get it back. But I haven't restarted Konversation because I didn't want to lose the backscroll.	Jan 21 04:39
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cubexyz	it show be up	Jan 21 04:44
cubexyz	it should be up	Jan 21 04:44
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cubexyz	irc.opensuse.org goes to chat.freenode.net 195.148.124.79 port 6667	Jan 21 04:45
msb_	can you join #suse?	Jan 21 04:45
cubexyz	yes	Jan 21 04:45
cubexyz	and nmap irc.opensuse.org shows all the irc ports are open	Jan 21 04:46
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msb_	ok, I killed its tab and got back in.	Jan 21 04:48
msb_	thanks!	Jan 21 04:48
msb_	.	Jan 21 05:00
msb_	cubexyz: hello?	Jan 21 05:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Advanced Linux Server-Side Threats: How they	Jan 21 07:15
TweetTuxMachines	work and what you can do about them	Jan 21 07:15
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/mubiiUvlNO (www.youtube.com) new	Jan 21 07:15
TweetTuxMachines	talk	Jan 21 07:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Failed to connect to 2607:f8b0:4007:80a::2000: Network is unreachable ( status 0 @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9tjcB_ij-0&feature=youtu.be )		Jan 21 07:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New Guide to the Open Cloud: Your Free Primer	Jan 21 07:15
TweetTuxMachines	for 'Cloud' Migration and Web-Scale IT	Jan 21 07:15
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/SxxuaM9naV (www.linux.com)	Jan 21 07:15
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Ni1he1bn5E (www.zdnet.com)	Jan 21 07:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com \| New Guide to the Open Cloud: Your Free Primer for Cloud Migration and Web-Scale IT \| Linux.com		Jan 21 07:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 9 Android apps that will make iPhone users	Jan 21 07:48
TweetTuxMachines	jealous: utility and customisation apps you	Jan 21 07:48
TweetTuxMachines	just can't get in Apple's ...	Jan 21 07:48
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/eCC1KCLY2o (joindiaspora.com)	Jan 21 07:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Verde Station, An Adventure Akin To Gone Home	Jan 21 07:48
TweetTuxMachines	Is Coming For Linux http://t.co/HcYuAxMZS2	Jan 21 07:48
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 21 07:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhj55	Jan 21 07:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Verde Station, An Adventure Akin To Gone Home Is Coming For Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 21 07:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Linux Port Of Age Of Wonders III Is	Jan 21 07:48
TweetTuxMachines	Progressing, A Bit Too Explosive Right Now	Jan 21 07:48
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/cnMGeCSGgY (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 21 07:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhj56	Jan 21 07:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| The Linux Port Of Age Of Wonders III Is Progressing, A Bit Too Explosive Right Now \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 21 07:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines #Steam Client Updated, Broadcasting Now Out Of	Jan 21 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	Beta, Still Not For Linux	Jan 21 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Ao5pU2bpA1 (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 21 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhj8f	Jan 21 08:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Steam Client Updated, Broadcasting Now Out Of Beta, Still Not For Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 21 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Xonotic 0.8 Is a Fun and Fast Free Arena	Jan 21 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	Multiplayer FPS, Think Modern Quake	Jan 21 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/xHM5lQdraX (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhj8g	Jan 21 08:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tizen-based Samsung cameras and round	Jan 21 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	smartwatch leaked http://t.co/sF1CpSDT35	Jan 21 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Jan 21 08:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Tizen-based Samsung cameras and round smartwatch leaked		Jan 21 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhj8h	Jan 21 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat’s OpenStack Ambitions Move it Beyond	Jan 21 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	its Linux OS Core http://t.co/WatpIIFFBK	Jan 21 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	(www.datacenterknowledge.com)	Jan 21 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhj8n	Jan 21 08:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datacenterknowledge.com \| For Red Hat OpenStack is Way to Move Beyond Core Linux Business		Jan 21 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat And Linux Help European Space Agency	Jan 21 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/nvEfBDsP9F (news.investors.com)	Jan 21 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/pZqXnutSPL (www.marketwatch.com)	Jan 21 08:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.investors.com \| Red Hat And Linux Help European Space Agency Reach The Cloud RHT - Investors.com		Jan 21 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhj8o	Jan 21 08:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.marketwatch.com \| The European Space Agency Builds A Private Cloud Platform With Red Hat - MarketWatch		Jan 21 08:01
*TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Red Hat’s OpenStack Ambitions Move it Beyond its...'		Jan 21 08:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Patches Several Security Flaws	Jan 21 08:07
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/wMdmXByV9W (threatpost.com)	Jan 21 08:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/lt8LyHkFCc (linux.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 08:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjad	Jan 21 08:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-threatpost.com \| Ubuntu Patches Several Security Flaws \| Threatpost \| The first stop for security news		Jan 21 08:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| RPM Vulnerabilities Fixed in Ubuntu OSes - Softpedia		Jan 21 08:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ubuntu goes iot http://t.co/xVOfbL8Mk1	Jan 21 08:07
TweetTuxMachines	(siliconangle.com) http://t.co/qwOjhoMjXH	Jan 21 08:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-siliconangle.com \| Canonical ushers Ubuntu into the Internet of Things \| SiliconANGLE		Jan 21 08:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theregister.co.uk) http://t.co/YtIkGS20lO	Jan 21 08:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theinquirer.net) http://t.co/5LdWBxq5U7	Jan 21 08:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Canonical goes all Internet of Stuff with Ubuntu for DRONES • The Register		Jan 21 08:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.v3.co.uk) http://t.co/7p0kXbn638	Jan 21 08:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.forbes.com)	Jan 21 08:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theinquirer.net \| Canonical's Snappy Ubuntu Core looks to unite the Internet of Things- The Inquirer		Jan 21 08:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjae	Jan 21 08:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.v3.co.uk \| Canonical pitches Ubuntu Core for the Internet of Things - IT News from V3.co.uk		Jan 21 08:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com \| Ubuntu Delivers A Smart Device Operating System - Forbes		Jan 21 08:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Getting Linux Adopted and Fedora 22 Previewed	Jan 21 08:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/lwkLGMAzY2 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 08:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjah	Jan 21 08:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Getting Linux Adopted and Fedora 22 Previewed \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 08:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Thunderbird 31.4.0 Lands in Ubuntu Repos	Jan 21 08:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kEPIudLriY (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 08:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjai	Jan 21 08:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Thunderbird 31.4.0 Lands in Ubuntu Repos \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 08:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tizen-based Samsung cameras and round	Jan 21 08:07
TweetTuxMachines	smartwatch leaked http://t.co/sBguVhsbaR	Jan 21 08:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 08:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjal	Jan 21 08:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Tizen-based Samsung cameras and round smartwatch leaked \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 08:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat’s OpenStack Ambitions Move it Beyond	Jan 21 08:13
TweetTuxMachines	its Linux OS Core http://t.co/Klx1XpgNvH	Jan 21 08:13
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 08:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjc5	Jan 21 08:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat’s OpenStack Ambitions Move it Beyond its Linux OS Core \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 08:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung hops back on Android bandwagon with	Jan 21 08:13
TweetTuxMachines	printers http://t.co/UGZiWKOpoW (www.zdnet.com)	Jan 21 08:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjc7	Jan 21 08:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Samsung hops back on Android bandwagon with printers \| ZDNet		Jan 21 08:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 4MDoom 11.0 Beta Is a Distro That Boots Only	Jan 21 08:13
TweetTuxMachines	into a Doom-Type Game – Gallery	Jan 21 08:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/aA2w7yXcVd (linux.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 08:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjc8	Jan 21 08:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| 4MDoom 11.0 Beta Is a Distro That Boots Only into a Doom-Type Game – Gallery - Softpedia		Jan 21 08:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Wayland porting – the endgame	Jan 21 08:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/PkfIqUo7c8 (blogs.gnome.org)	Jan 21 08:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjde	Jan 21 08:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org \| GNOME Wayland porting – the endgame \| Goings on		Jan 21 08:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Shadow Warrior Looks Like It Will Come To Linux	Jan 21 08:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/1H39wykNGR (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 21 08:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjdf	Jan 21 08:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Shadow Warrior Looks Like It Will Come To Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 21 08:16
*TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Shadow Warrior Looks Like It Will Come To...'		Jan 21 08:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung hops back on Android bandwagon with	Jan 21 08:57
TweetTuxMachines	printers http://t.co/AbRKY0Xh9M	Jan 21 08:57
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 08:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjpe	Jan 21 08:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Samsung hops back on Android bandwagon with printers \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 08:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Cutegram: A Better Telegram Client For	Jan 21 08:57
TweetTuxMachines	GNU/Linux http://t.co/W3noK5bj8q	Jan 21 08:57
TweetTuxMachines	(www.unixmen.com)	Jan 21 08:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjpf	Jan 21 08:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unixmen.com \| Cutegram: A Better Telegram Client For GNU/Linux \| Unixmen		Jan 21 08:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "A huge milestone on the way to making	Jan 21 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	#NetworkManager more cooperative, more	Jan 21 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	flexible, more configurable"	Jan 21 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/wK7MBGktq8 (blogs.gnome.org)	Jan 21 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjuo	Jan 21 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org \| The Whole Damn World Takes Effect to NetworkManager 1.0 « Dan Williams’ blog		Jan 21 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Good visual review of what's new in Android	Jan 21 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	5.0.x Lollipop http://t.co/6xZFkKDkMg	Jan 21 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gottabemobile.com) a mixed bag in my	Jan 21 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gottabemobile.com \| Nexus 7 2012 Android 5.0.2 Update Review (Early)		Jan 21 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	experience..	Jan 21 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjup	Jan 21 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Chzo Mythos And Other Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw	Jan 21 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	Games Updated For Linux http://t.co/tvntwrOihJ	Jan 21 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 21 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjuq	Jan 21 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| The Chzo Mythos And Other Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw Games Updated For Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 21 09:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Top 10 Facts You Need to Know before Rooting	Jan 21 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	Your Android Smartphone http://t.co/LiooCCmBNL	Jan 21 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.ibtimes.co.in)	Jan 21 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjxu	Jan 21 09:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.co.in \| Top 10 Facts You Need to Know before Rooting Your Android Smartphone		Jan 21 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Banner Saga RPG Looks Close To A Linux	Jan 21 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	Version	Jan 21 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/3ab4kgPN2I (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 21 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjxv	Jan 21 09:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| The Banner Saga RPG Looks Close To A Linux Version \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 21 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The current state of video editing for Linux	Jan 21 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/cgIc5xIkOl (opensource.com)	Jan 21 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjxw	Jan 21 09:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| 6 free and open source video editing tools \| Opensource.com		Jan 21 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Linux founder Linus Torvalds' latest run-in	Jan 21 09:30
TweetTuxMachines	with the sensitivity police."	Jan 21 09:30
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/vk2zd3kBWz (www.infoworld.com)	Jan 21 09:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjzs	Jan 21 09:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infoworld.com \| In open source, no one cares if you're a dog		Jan 21 09:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MakuluLinux 6 Cinnamon Distro Is a Great White	Jan 21 09:30
TweetTuxMachines	Shark – Gallery http://t.co/fUnz457RPU	Jan 21 09:30
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 09:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| MakuluLinux 6 Cinnamon Distro Is a Great White Shark – Gallery - Softpedia		Jan 21 09:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjzt	Jan 21 09:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New #Manjaro 0.8.11 Update Brings Better	Jan 21 09:30
TweetTuxMachines	Package Manager, Firefox 35, and More	Jan 21 09:30
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/uOT9SyNrWz (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 09:30
TweetTuxMachines	some screenshots from the new release	Jan 21 09:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| New Manjaro 0.8.11 Update Brings Better Package Manager, Firefox 35, and More - Softpedia		Jan 21 09:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjzu	Jan 21 09:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Keith Packard Leaves Intel's Linux Graphics	Jan 21 09:42
TweetTuxMachines	Work http://t.co/hQ5sS8ZY7X (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 21 09:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhk3z	Jan 21 09:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Keith Packard Leaves Intel's Linux Graphics Work - Phoronix		Jan 21 09:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 22 Will Aim To Use Plasma 5 For Its KDE	Jan 21 09:42
TweetTuxMachines	Desktop Experience http://t.co/6ocrBwk2To	Jan 21 09:42
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jan 21 09:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Fedora 22 Will Aim To Use Plasma 5 For Its KDE Desktop Experience - Phoronix		Jan 21 09:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhk40	Jan 21 09:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Software documents Linux activity live	Jan 21 09:42
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/s50jVtbWos	Jan 21 09:42
TweetTuxMachines	(www.electronicsweekly.com)	Jan 21 09:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhk42	Jan 21 09:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.electronicsweekly.com \| Software documents Linux activity live \| Electronics Weekly		Jan 21 09:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Song Of The Myrne: What Lies Beneath, A Pixel	Jan 21 09:54
TweetTuxMachines	Graphic RPG Adventure Now On Steam For Linux	Jan 21 09:54
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/uvBssHQcZX (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 21 09:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhk7h	Jan 21 09:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Song Of The Myrne: What Lies Beneath, A Pixel Graphic RPG Adventure Now On Steam For Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 21 09:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines STAR WARS: DARK FORCES, Now On Linux Thanks To	Jan 21 09:54
TweetTuxMachines	GOG http://t.co/MLudm8A2ar	Jan 21 09:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 21 09:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhk7j	Jan 21 09:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| STAR WARS: DARK FORCES, Now On Linux Thanks To GOG \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 21 09:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Penguin high-flyers: Andrew Tridgell on the	Jan 21 09:54
TweetTuxMachines	Linux autopilot http://t.co/4FqjA7SyGR	Jan 21 09:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theregister.co.uk)	Jan 21 09:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Penguin high-flyers: Andrew Tridgell on the Linux autopilot • The Register		Jan 21 09:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhk7l	Jan 21 09:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Secret to Desktop Linux Adoption	Jan 21 10:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jP0gouapun (www.datamation.com)	Jan 21 10:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhka8	Jan 21 10:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datamation.com \| Secret to Desktop Linux Adoption - Datamation		Jan 21 10:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines HandyLinux 1.8 Is an Exciting Debian and	Jan 21 10:02
TweetTuxMachines	Xfce-Based Distro, Ditches Windows Feel	Jan 21 10:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ccjz5lY4pO (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 10:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhka9	Jan 21 10:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| HandyLinux 1.8 Is an Exciting Debian and Xfce-Based Distro, Ditches Windows Feel - Softpedia		Jan 21 10:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Thunderbird 31.4.0 Lands in Ubuntu Repos	Jan 21 10:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/YWvhDifRUy (linux.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 10:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhkaa	Jan 21 10:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Thunderbird 31.4.0 Lands in Ubuntu Repos - Softpedia		Jan 21 10:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Getting Linux Adopted and Fedora 22 Previewed	Jan 21 10:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ghfysSQKo3 (ostatic.com)	Jan 21 10:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhkab	Jan 21 10:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft Is Taking a Beating from	Jan 21 11:49
TweetTuxMachines	Linux-Powered Chromebooks	Jan 21 11:49
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Np4ywjkIF7 (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 11:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhl5u	Jan 21 11:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft Is Trying and Failing at Converging	Jan 21 11:49
TweetTuxMachines	Platforms, Ubuntu Does It Right	Jan 21 11:49
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/sDZSlkQkUu (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 11:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhl5v	Jan 21 11:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Penguin high-flyers: Andrew Tridgell on the	Jan 21 12:28
TweetTuxMachines	Linux autopilot http://t.co/DAtOqAcc5W	Jan 21 12:28
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 12:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhlgp	Jan 21 12:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Secret to Desktop Linux Adoption	Jan 21 12:28
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/NyiPhNoqrF (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 12:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhlgq	Jan 21 12:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Leftovers http://t.co/nVH8gm3wMp	Jan 21 12:28
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 12:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhlgr	Jan 21 12:28
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sebsebseb	hi	Jan 21 14:14
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Top 10 Facts You Need to Know before Rooting	Jan 21 15:26
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Your Android Smartphone http://t.co/LiooCCmBNL	Jan 21 15:26
TweetTuxMachines	@speedyx2000 (www.ibtimes.co.in)	Jan 21 15:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhmvz	Jan 21 15:26
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*TweetTuxMachines @awintory favourited 'The Banner Saga RPG Looks Close To A...'		Jan 21 17:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Proxmox Releases Mail Security Platform Based	Jan 21 17:06
TweetTuxMachines	on Debian Linux http://t.co/g2deSDtMJ9	Jan 21 17:06
TweetTuxMachines	(thevarguy.com)	Jan 21 17:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thevarguy.com \| Proxmox Releases Mail Security Platform Based on Debian Linux \| Open Source Application Software Companies content from The VAR Guy		Jan 21 17:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhntj	Jan 21 17:06
Sosumi	M$'s keynote is on	Jan 21 17:12
Sosumi	M$ just now	Jan 21 17:12
Sosumi	"Second, trust. People care about their privacy. So do we. You are our customer, not our product."	Jan 21 17:12
Sosumi	cough skype	Jan 21 17:13
Sosumi	cough unfixed bugs/backdoors	Jan 21 17:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux System Engineer Jean-Roch Rossi Advanced	Jan 21 17:15
TweetTuxMachines	His Career With Practice, Certification	Jan 21 17:15
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/7o2GbigWtL (www.linux.com)	Jan 21 17:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhnx0	Jan 21 17:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 22 Will Aim To Use Plasma 5 For Its KDE	Jan 21 17:15
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Desktop Experience http://t.co/6ocrBwk2To	Jan 21 17:15
TweetTuxMachines	@_Hjorth (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 21 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Fedora 22 Will Aim To Use Plasma 5 For Its KDE Desktop Experience - Phoronix		Jan 21 17:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhnx3	Jan 21 17:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LCA Q and A leads to abusive Twitter attack on	Jan 21 17:29
TweetTuxMachines	Torvalds http://t.co/78JbLlm9tv	Jan 21 17:29
TweetTuxMachines	(www.itwire.com) 2 trolls in the Q and A	Jan 21 17:29
TweetTuxMachines	handing over bait	Jan 21 17:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jho2k	Jan 21 17:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itwire.com \| iTWire - LCA Q and A leads to abusive Twitter attack on Torvalds		Jan 21 17:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Reading about Torvalds' words is one thing.	Jan 21 17:29
TweetTuxMachines	Days later the video came out. People should	Jan 21 17:29
TweetTuxMachines	see the context in which he said what he said.	Jan 21 17:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jho2m	Jan 21 17:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Torvalds loses either way; the trolls want him	Jan 21 17:29
TweetTuxMachines	to become LKML #police (collective	Jan 21 17:29
TweetTuxMachines	accountability), others chastising him for	Jan 21 17:29
TweetTuxMachines	being too rude	Jan 21 17:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jho2o	Jan 21 17:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 21/1/2015: Andrew Tridgell, Torvalds	Jan 21 17:44
TweetTuxMachines	Being Baited http://t.co/OvZHcRB9uu	Jan 21 17:44
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Jan 21 17:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jho88	Jan 21 17:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux System Engineer Jean-Roch Rossi Advanced	Jan 21 17:45
TweetTuxMachines	His Career With Practice, Certification	Jan 21 17:45
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ApHMxYss3Y (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 17:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jho8b	Jan 21 17:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux System Engineer Jean-Roch Rossi Advanced His Career With Practice, Certification \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 17:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LCA Q and A leads to abusive Twitter attack on	Jan 21 17:45
TweetTuxMachines	Torvalds http://t.co/ds3LnE2SaY	Jan 21 17:45
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 17:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jho8g	Jan 21 17:45
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Sosumi	http://kotaku.com/putin-looks-disappointed-with-russias-latest-robot-1680839260	Jan 21 18:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kotaku.com \| Putin Looks Disappointed With Russia's Latest Robot [ http://ur1.ca/jhour ]		Jan 21 18:46
Sosumi	have to laugh	Jan 21 18:46
Sosumi	robot is remotely controled btw	Jan 21 18:48
Sosumi	but why didn't they just cope the design of the c&c avatar warmech	Jan 21 18:48
Sosumi	*copy	Jan 21 18:48
Sosumi	fail	Jan 21 18:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/KFylCizvhu	Jan 21 19:11
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 19:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhp3q	Jan 21 19:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/dyJhG6YVzR	Jan 21 19:11
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 19:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhp3t	Jan 21 19:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 19:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/yTLnJmS3TF	Jan 21 19:11
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 19:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhp3z	Jan 21 19:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Thunderbird 31.4.0 Release With Several Bug	Jan 21 19:11
TweetTuxMachines	Fixes http://t.co/tVSlDgmxwx	Jan 21 19:11
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 19:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhp40	Jan 21 19:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Thunderbird 31.4.0 Release With Several Bug Fixes \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 19:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines City of Arnhem aims to increase open source use	Jan 21 19:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/CU3tWAly5w (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 19:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhp42	Jan 21 19:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KWin on speed http://t.co/VMJYbuI41t	Jan 21 19:12
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 19:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhp44	Jan 21 19:12
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5463247	Jan 21 19:24
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 19:24
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schestowitz	I get where he's coming from, but it's still a poor excuse, and a sloppily handled one at that. He doesn't have to bow down to anybody to be a little bit nicer. Half of the things he says are doused in complete vitriol.	Jan 21 19:24
schestowitz	I don't hate Linus; I recognize his contribution to technology is a sizeable one. But the guy has an ego the size of a planet, and cuts people down for completely trivial reasons, driving away potential contributors in the process. He's a good developer, but perhaps not a very good ambassador.	Jan 21 19:24
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 19:24
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sebsebseb	schestowitz: which mobile phone network are you with and why?	Jan 21 19:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Proxmox Releases Mail Security Platform Based	Jan 21 19:56
TweetTuxMachines	on Debian Linux http://t.co/q2SAiMZ1JR	Jan 21 19:56
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 19:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhpi2	Jan 21 19:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines University’s Virtual Reality Setup Runs on	Jan 21 19:56
TweetTuxMachines	Linux and Open Source Software	Jan 21 19:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/bbWfKPbSu1 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 19:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhpi5	Jan 21 19:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| University’s Virtual Reality Setup Runs on Linux and Open Source Software \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 19:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Smart Cars are the New Smart Phone	Jan 21 19:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/92ACxITj0T (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 19:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhpi7	Jan 21 19:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Firefox enters the realm of virtual reality	Jan 21 19:56
TweetTuxMachines	with the Oculus Rift http://t.co/WjNdjhCZCY	Jan 21 19:56
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 19:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhpi8	Jan 21 19:56
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*TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'University’s Virtual Reality Setup Runs on Linux and...'		Jan 21 20:00
*TweetTuxMachines @virtkick favourited 'Proxmox Releases Mail Security Platform Based on Debian...'		Jan 21 20:39
*TweetTuxMachines @virtkick favourited 'Proxmox Releases Mail Security Platform Based on Debian...'		Jan 21 20:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel's Open-Source Graphics Team Poaches A Top	Jan 21 20:39
TweetTuxMachines	Nouveau Driver Developer http://t.co/YfkeedYaaV	Jan 21 20:39
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 20:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhpvk	Jan 21 20:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Intel's Open-Source Graphics Team Poaches A Top Nouveau Driver Developer \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 20:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LibreOffice Android View (Beta)	Jan 21 20:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/frPgfkey3S (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 20:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhpvp	Jan 21 20:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kolab Enterprise 14 Released with Advanced	Jan 21 20:40
TweetTuxMachines	Tagging and Notes http://t.co/hoQvGq5Kz3	Jan 21 20:40
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 20:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhpvr	Jan 21 20:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Kolab Enterprise 14 Released with Advanced Tagging and Notes \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 20:40
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MinceR	http://fee.org/freeman/detail/youll-never-guess-whos-trying-to-hack-your-iphone	Jan 21 20:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MEDIAFIRE RELEASES LINUX AND OPEN-SOURCE	Jan 21 20:54
TweetTuxMachines	TOOLKIT FOR DEVELOPERS http://t.co/ozxBKiLtj3	Jan 21 20:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 20:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhpzy	Jan 21 20:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| MEDIAFIRE RELEASES LINUX AND OPEN-SOURCE TOOLKIT FOR DEVELOPERS \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 20:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Shell 3.15.4 http://t.co/QHnxHgak6e	Jan 21 20:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 20:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhq00	Jan 21 20:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LibreOffice Android View (Beta)	Jan 21 21:29
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by http://t.co/frPgfkey3S (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 21:29
TweetTuxMachines	@speedytux	Jan 21 21:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhqc2	Jan 21 21:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Stellarium 0.13.2 Is a Premium Planetarium App	Jan 21 21:29
TweetTuxMachines	Available for Free http://t.co/YdWq3HQHXC	Jan 21 21:29
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 21:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhqc3	Jan 21 21:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Stellarium 0.13.2 Is a Premium Planetarium App Available for Free \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 21:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines TraceFS: The Newest Linux File-System	Jan 21 21:29
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/MNikaPEzxl (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 21:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhqc5	Jan 21 21:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| TraceFS: The Newest Linux File-System \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 21:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What the heck are Ubuntu Unity's Scopes?	Jan 21 21:29
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ivaxkzdos0 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 21:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhqc6	Jan 21 21:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| What the heck are Ubuntu Unity's Scopes? \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 21:29
MinceR	gn	Jan 21 22:12
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cubexyz	I don't agree with this disparaging of 32-bit kernels	Jan 21 22:45
cubexyz	only supporting latest and greatest is a Microsoft flaw	Jan 21 22:46
abeNd-org	meh, most server side products are x64 only anyways	Jan 21 22:48
abeNd-org	heck even fedora is going x64 only	Jan 21 22:48
abeNd-org	there will always be tiny/puppy x86 friendly distros out there, so no big deal	Jan 21 22:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Acer Unveils 2 New Chromebooks for Education	Jan 22 00:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/UKiRewqRrG (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 00:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhrv0	Jan 22 00:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Acer Unveils 2 New Chromebooks for Education \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 00:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines HP announces three new Android tablets,	Jan 22 00:10
TweetTuxMachines	including a 12-inch beast	Jan 22 00:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/nVejzuikxq (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 00:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhrv2	Jan 22 00:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Leftovers http://t.co/bgSPskevCM	Jan 22 04:03
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 22 04:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhtv7	Jan 22 04:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Jan 22 04:03
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sebsebseb	hi	Jan 22 08:57
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Jan 22 09:51
DaemonFC	Just now ·	Jan 22 09:51
DaemonFC	112,386.	Jan 22 09:51
DaemonFC	That's the number of frelling idiots that bought this and probably believed it word-for-word.	Jan 22 09:51
DaemonFC	And does anyone want to guess who they vote for?	Jan 22 09:51
DaemonFC	http://www.alternet.org/belief/10-year-old-author-bestselling-christian-book-admits-he-never-actually-came-back-heaven	Jan 22 09:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.alternet.org \| 10-Year-Old Author of Bestselling Christian Book Admits He Never Actually Came Back From Heaven \| Alternet [ http://ur1.ca/jhwon ]		Jan 22 09:51
DaemonFC	There we go. Paid six months car insurance and next month's cable internet and cell phone bills.	Jan 22 10:30
*DaemonFC tries to pay some of the monthly surplus forward.		Jan 22 10:30
DaemonFC	And the freezer is fully stocked again. B-)	Jan 22 10:31
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schestowitz	>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11360204/Gamergate-Zoe-Quinn-launches-anti-harrassment-support-network.html	Jan 22 11:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.telegraph.co.uk \| Gamergate: Zoe Quinn launches anti harrassment support network - Telegraph [ http://ur1.ca/jhs6n ]		Jan 22 11:44
schestowitz	>>> >>	Jan 22 11:44
schestowitz	>>> >> For those who didn't follow it first time around. The article is	Jan 22 11:44
schestowitz	>>> >> probably part of a larger, orchestrated attack now.	Jan 22 11:44
schestowitz	>> >	Jan 22 11:44
schestowitz	>> > I am still now quite following the whole history of it, having read	Jan 22 11:44
schestowitz	>> > Wikipedia about it. I think that many people who write about it don't	Jan 22 11:44
schestowitz	>> > understand it either. To be frank, it's outside my scope of interest	Jan 22 11:44
schestowitz	>> > simply because there's so much politics and history there that I can't	Jan 22 11:44
schestowitz	>> > quite follow it and make informed statements.	Jan 22 11:44
schestowitz	> I'm mostly ignoring it now and I ignored it completely the first time	Jan 22 11:44
schestowitz	> around because there was so much noise and disinformation that it was	Jan 22 11:44
schestowitz	> hard to get to the bottom. I speculate now that it is brought up again	Jan 22 11:44
schestowitz	> to make a more general "case" against FOSS as one step in the in the	Jan 22 11:44
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schestowitz	> larger attack against Torvalds. It would be good to know if she was	Jan 22 11:44
schestowitz	> really a developer or not. It might turn up again though and then I'll	Jan 22 11:44
schestowitz	> have to dig into it to see what facts can be found.	Jan 22 11:44
schestowitz	>	Jan 22 11:44
schestowitz	> One aspect to it is that Poettering has heavily used sjw to push systemd	Jan 22 11:44
schestowitz	> and to get some noisy people to completely ignore the technical side to	Jan 22 11:44
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schestowitz	> it. Otherwise it would have made more sense for the sjw crowd to fork	Jan 22 11:44
schestowitz	> their own kernel rather than rail on Torvalds.	Jan 22 11:44
schestowitz	i don't agree. Gamergate was never about FOSS and hardly relates to it in any way. The Lennux angle is mostly exploiting homophobia, not women. Also, what we need to watch out for when it comes to media manipulation at the moment is the Vista 10 BS that even FOSS sites were led into covering, inc. gimmicks :)	Jan 22 11:44
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schestowitz	http://fossforce.com/2015/01/update-slight-setback-for-ken/	Jan 22 11:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com \| Update: Slight Setback for Ken \| FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/jhxsp ]		Jan 22 11:53
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Sosumi	http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/hands-on-with-hololens-making-the-virtual-real/	Jan 22 16:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Hands-on: Microsoft’s HoloLens is flat-out magical \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/jhzzr ]		Jan 22 16:08
Sosumi	so magical that even turns a turd (windows 10) into gold	Jan 22 16:09
XFaCE	Sosumi: did Roy cover that yet?	Jan 22 16:12
Sosumi	no idea	Jan 22 16:12
Sosumi	my connection went down without me noticing it	Jan 22 16:13
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DaemonFC	Seen on Facebook (mocking the Republican reply to the SoTU): "Hello. My party destroyed the economy and I castrate animals. Thank you and goodnight.".	Jan 22 18:27
MinceR	imagine if she castrated humans	Jan 22 18:43
MinceR	the fundies would be all up in arms	Jan 22 18:43
MinceR	Sosumi: from inside the Arse Magica, everything microsoft looks like gold.	Jan 22 18:44
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MinceR	oops, i meant Arse Technica	Jan 22 19:25
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Sosumi	:)	Jan 22 19:39
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DaemonFC	I wonder what's going on with the free Windows 10 thing. They announced that and their stock immediately fell.	Jan 22 20:08
DaemonFC	Looks like it recovered though.	Jan 22 20:09
DaemonFC	They never made much money off of upgrade licenses anyway, because most people never upgrade.	Jan 22 20:10
DaemonFC	Most people keep the version of Windows that the PC came with for as long as they use that PC.	Jan 22 20:10
XFaCE	DaemonFC: copying apple?	Jan 22 20:17
DaemonFC	Perhaps.	Jan 22 20:19
DaemonFC	Still, it should piss off everyone that paid for the Windows 8.x upgrade since they're giving Windows 10 to Windows 7 users as well.	Jan 22 20:21
DaemonFC	Basically, it means you could have just stuck to Windows 7 and waited them out without going insane.	Jan 22 20:21
DaemonFC	http://wonkette.com/573370/childrens-treasury-times-that-fox-news-screwed-the-reality-pooch	Jan 22 20:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wonkette.com \| 23 Times Fox News Sh*t The Bed, You Are Welcome \| Wonkette [ http://ur1.ca/ji28b ]		Jan 22 20:22
MinceR	or you could just have upgraded to GNU/Linux	Jan 22 20:28
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MinceR	"did i turn off the gas?" https://33.media.tumblr.com/7ac3ba4baf30160ee43f00f319e00d74/tumblr_nijw3p2UDg1rc7lcoo1_400.gif	Jan 22 22:26
msb_	http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine/5371554	Jan 22 22:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca \| The U.S. has Installed a Neo-Nazi Government in Ukraine \| Global Research [ http://ur1.ca/ji3em ]		Jan 22 22:28
MinceR	http://www.rem870.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/putler.jpg	Jan 22 22:28
MinceR	gn	Jan 22 22:31
msb_	Total lie, since it was Obomber who installed the Nazis in Ukraine.	Jan 22 22:31
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MinceR	yeah, the totalitarian dictator who is in cahoots with the church and controls the oligarchs in russia is totally not a nazi	Jan 22 22:32
msb_	But the US/UK media are dedicated to forgetting that.	Jan 22 22:32
MinceR	also, it's impossible for nazis to oppose each other	Jan 22 22:33
msb_	MinceR: I think it's impossible for you to think accurately about Putin.	Jan 22 22:33
MinceR	good thing we have you around, then	Jan 22 22:33
msb_	You don't have to believe me, read http://www.globalresearch.ca	Jan 22 22:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca \| Global Research		Jan 22 22:35
MinceR	you're like the people in hungary who believe that since the mszp government did a few bad things, from this automatically follows that fidesz is the purest force for good ever	Jan 22 22:35
MinceR	yeah, i could read RT, too	Jan 22 22:35
MinceR	or Pravda	Jan 22 22:35
msb_	That's called a Straw Man argument.	Jan 22 22:36
msb_	http://www.globalresearch.ca is not biased.	Jan 22 22:36
MinceR	people in general seem to have difficulty understanding that more than one faction may mean harm to them	Jan 22 22:36
MinceR	see also: m$ is bad, therefore crApple is my savior; and vice versa	Jan 22 22:37
msb_	Putin and Russia have done far more good, and far less harm than the U.S., by opposing the U.S. in the last 15 years, which has murdered 2M people and destroyed several nations.	Jan 22 22:38
MinceR	yeah, i've seen how much good russia has done	Jan 22 22:39
MinceR	i'm a victim of that "good"	Jan 22 22:39
MinceR	if you love putler so much, why don't you move to russia?	Jan 22 22:39
msb_	The US/UK/Israel is a terrible fascist force, and it's necessary to oppose it. BRICS is doing that.	Jan 22 22:39
MinceR	good thing putler isn't... oh, wait	Jan 22 22:39
msb_	MinceR: how are you a victim of russia.	Jan 22 22:40
msb_	?	Jan 22 22:40
MinceR	in many ways	Jan 22 22:40
msb_	name the top 3	Jan 22 22:40
MinceR	they oppressed me and my family, their flunkies stole from my family	Jan 22 22:40
msb_	are they doing that now?	Jan 22 22:40
MinceR	they wrecked the economy of hungary so hard it will never recover (though not recovering is not all their fault)	Jan 22 22:40
MinceR	they are, in cahoots with orban	Jan 22 22:40
msb_	how?	Jan 22 22:41
MinceR	for example, via a deal that puts a huge long-term debt on hungary towards russia and a huge dependency on russia for the operation of our nuclear power plant	Jan 22 22:41
msb_	did russia build your power plant?	Jan 22 22:42
MinceR	not sure	Jan 22 22:42
MinceR	this is about some new blocks	Jan 22 22:42
msb_	blocks?	Jan 22 22:42
MinceR	reactors and support systems	Jan 22 22:42
msb_	did russia build that?	Jan 22 22:42
MinceR	for which hungary could have run a tender but competition is not welcome here	Jan 22 22:43
MinceR	the old ones use russian technology, but i don't know the details	Jan 22 22:43
MinceR	afaik that deal was somewhat less bound to russia	Jan 22 22:43
MinceR	also, it's nearing EOL	Jan 22 22:43
MinceR	providing a good chance to reduce hungary's dependence on russia	Jan 22 22:44
MinceR	depending on russian gas is bad enough	Jan 22 22:44
MinceR	(they love to play with the tap)	Jan 22 22:44
msb_	why don't you move away from Hungary?	Jan 22 22:45
MinceR	i'm working on it	Jan 22 22:46
msb_	good	Jan 22 22:46
msb_	IIRC the Ukraine Nazi coup govt has instituted an "austerity program". That means robbing the poor/middle and giving to the rich.	Jan 22 22:47
MinceR	good thing there's equality in russia	Jan 22 22:48
MinceR	if you ignore putin, his oligarchs, his friends, ...	Jan 22 22:48
msb_	They also shot down that airliner and tried to blame it on Russia.	Jan 22 22:49
MinceR	just like in the old days, where everyone's equal, if you ignore the inner party	Jan 22 22:49
MinceR	putler had pussy riot imprisoned for insulting his favorite cult	Jan 22 22:49
msb_	That was very stupid.	Jan 22 22:49
MinceR	freedom of speech, russian style	Jan 22 22:50
msb_	He's afraid of pussy!	Jan 22 22:50
msb_	The US started the war of terror by doing 911. It's trying to start WW3 by attacking Russia through Ukraine. Stopping that is the most important thing!	Jan 22 22:52
msb_	Putin is far from perfect, but by resisting the fascist US he is doing the most important thing that can be done.	Jan 22 22:53
msb_	The attacks on Libya and Ukraine show that the US has the intention of continuing its path of destruction from Afghanistan and Iraq.	Jan 22 22:55
msb_	China is also not perfect, but the BRICS nations (there should be a V in there for Venezuela) are the only hope for the survival of humanity.	Jan 22 22:56
msb_	The US is a runaway psychopath force.	Jan 22 22:57
MinceR	yeah, venezuela is so great	Jan 22 22:58
msb_	The two main paradigms for survival are (1) cooperation and kindness and (2) kill everyone around you. (2) is psychopathy and it is in control of the US govt.	Jan 22 22:59
MinceR	especially the part where the government is trying to force prices at which it isn't worth producing anything	Jan 22 22:59
MinceR	orban will do that in hungary too	Jan 22 22:59
MinceR	ooh, please explain how putler cooperates and is kind	Jan 22 22:59
msb_	He is trying to stop, or at least resist, the most dangerous force in the world, which has rampaged and killed 2M people and destroyed several nations since 2001.	Jan 22 23:01
MinceR	the same could be said about the usa as well	Jan 22 23:01
msb_	No, it is the USA that has done those things!	Jan 22 23:01
MinceR	(except the usa did not annex any countries or regions)	Jan 22 23:02
MinceR	well, got to go sleep while you pray to putler	Jan 22 23:02
msb_	It annexed Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Ukraine.	Jan 22 23:02
msb_	MinceR: You are ignoring that -- the murders of TWO MILLION PEOPLE.	Jan 22 23:03
msb_	There was talk above about some connection between Poettering and	Jan 22 23:06
msb_	Gamergate or SJW. Anyone know about that?	Jan 22 23:06
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5469635	Jan 22 23:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: If You Want a Linux-Based Windows Lookalike, Then #Q4OS Is for You http://news.softpedia.com/news/If-You-Want-a-Linux-Based-Windows-Lookalike-then-Q4OS-Is-for-You-470869.shtml #gnu #linux		Jan 22 23:22
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schestowitz	"Why not? If it makes the step from Windows to Linux a little smaller. :)"	Jan 22 23:22
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5469417	Jan 22 23:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Librem 15, the first free software GNU/Linux laptop, makes funding goal http://www.zdnet.com/article/librem-15-free-software-gnulinux-laptop-makes-funding-goal/ #gnu #linux		Jan 22 23:23
schestowitz	"	Jan 22 23:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com \| Librem 15, the first free software GNU/Linux laptop, makes funding goal \| ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/ji45b ]		Jan 22 23:23
schestowitz	Interesting thread here	Jan 22 23:23
schestowitz	https://trisquel.info/en/forum/librem-15-freelibre-and-open-source-laptop-respects-your-essential-freedoms	Jan 22 23:23
schestowitz	Not likely to get Stallman's approval without libre bios. A Thinkpad with a compatible screen and libreboot is still the only option for your freedom. Rumours that glugglug may have libreboot on an x200 soon.....	Jan 22 23:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-trisquel.info \| Librem 15: A Free/Libre and Open Source Laptop That Respects Your Essential Freedoms \| Trisquel GNU/Linux - Run free! [ http://ur1.ca/j6meu ]		Jan 22 23:23
schestowitz	"	Jan 22 23:23
schestowitz	I think there has already been talk about removing nvidia	Jan 22 23:23
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/rgardler/status/557214252734242816	Jan 22 23:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rgardler: Moodle + Office 365: better together with new MS Open Tech open source plugins for education workflows http://t.co/GdmlO77h2A		Jan 22 23:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> msopentech.com \| Moodle + Office 365: better together with new MS Open Tech open source plugins for education workflows - MS Open Tech		Jan 22 23:30
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/558408115662913536	Jan 22 23:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz @rgardler Ice Tie! BTW, your secondary (internal in http://t.co/1csr7Kw6Nx) citation link doesn't work any more. (Censored?)		Jan 22 23:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Microsoft is Dying Due to Free Software, Tries to Infect GNU/Linux With .NET and to Infect Moodle in Schools With Microsoft Office and OOXML Lock-in \| Techrights		Jan 22 23:41
schestowitz	Which link? I've just checked and all seem to work (external)	Jan 22 23:41
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/pixeldyne/status/558409232081367041	Jan 22 23:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pixeldyne: @schestowitz one day when House Atreides rules them		Jan 22 23:48
DaemonFC	MinceR, Well, Linux always is an escape pod from the Windowsverse.	Jan 22 23:48
DaemonFC	Possibly the best feature is none of that ridiculous Product Activation crap.	Jan 22 23:48
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5469635	Jan 22 23:49
schestowitz	"That is awesome actually. Reminds me of back around windows xp and 98 xD"	Jan 22 23:49
cubexyz	any operating system with full source code and available toolchain can get you out of the "windowsverse"	Jan 22 23:49
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/558410902580781057	Jan 22 23:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz @rgardler The citation link for the Bill Gates quotation.		Jan 22 23:50
schestowitz	Ah, yes, was removed by author, still in other sites	Jan 22 23:50
DaemonFC	I liked Windows a lot better when all it asked for was a serial number.	Jan 22 23:50
cubexyz	I never liked windows, not ever	Jan 22 23:50
schestowitz	Link fixed	Jan 22 23:52
cubexyz	Windows 2.0 was slow, before that, I can't say	Jan 22 23:53
cubexyz	win95 was a crash-o-matic	Jan 22 23:53
cubexyz	Gates probably got to the schools, and that's why we now have the current landscape	Jan 22 23:54
cubexyz	the unix wars didn't help either	Jan 22 23:56
cubexyz	to me the most natural successor to Bell Labs Unix is OpenBSD (or NetBSD or FreeBSD)	Jan 23 00:13
cubexyz	Linux is good too, is just one has to be selective about which distro to use	Jan 23 00:14
cubexyz	s/is/its/	Jan 23 00:14
cubexyz	Tim Paterson _lost_ his defamation law suit against Sir Harold Evans	Jan 23 00:27
cubexyz	Paterson copied the CP/M API, including the first 36 functions	Jan 23 00:28
cubexyz	so that's why you got the C: nonsense in windows	Jan 23 00:29
cubexyz	But Thompson's Unix was the template everyone copied later on	Jan 23 00:29
cubexyz	it's clearly the main influence, outside of Microsoft Windows	Jan 23 00:30
cubexyz	Stallman used it too	Jan 23 00:30
cubexyz	here's another good point about windows... and I've seen it a lot	Jan 23 00:47
cubexyz	"NO drivers beyond XP"	Jan 23 00:47
cubexyz	upgrade treadmill is maintained	Jan 23 00:48
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MinceR	msb_: good thing russians didn't commit mass murders -- oh wait, they did.	Jan 23 06:15
MinceR	000241 < msb_> It annexed Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Ukraine.	Jan 23 06:16
MinceR	wrong, look up what annexation means.	Jan 23 06:16
msb_	MinceR: Too bad you live in the past and can;t comprehend what's going on now.	Jan 23 06:17
msb_	MinceR: I was being metaphorical.	Jan 23 06:17
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea#2014_Crimean_crisis_and_Russian_control	Jan 23 06:20
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msb_	"Following contested referenda in which an overwhelming majority indicated a desire to join the Russian Federation, Russia signed a treaty of accession with the self-declared independent Republic of Crimea, absorbing it into the Russian Federation"	Jan 23 06:21
msb_	MinceR: So the people of Crimea wanted their country to be annexed by Russia.	Jan 23 06:22
msb_	The Crimeans, and many others in Ukraine, did not want to live under the Nazi coup government.	Jan 23 06:26
msb_	http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine/5371554	Jan 23 06:26
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msb_	MinceR: Do you like that government? In your hatred of socialism, do you favor fascism?	Jan 23 06:27
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MinceR	msb_: the same is going on now as in the past	Jan 23 06:36
msb_	MinceR: That's very vague. Please be specific.	Jan 23 06:39
MinceR	russia built itself an empire; fucked up its economy, lost some of its empire	Jan 23 06:39
MinceR	then it did a bit of pretending to be democratic	Jan 23 06:39
MinceR	then started rebuilding its empire	Jan 23 06:39
MinceR	msb_: in your hatred of fascism, do you favor fascism?	Jan 23 06:40
MinceR	072238 < msb_> MinceR: So the people of Crimea wanted their country to be annexed by Russia.	Jan 23 06:40
MinceR	no they didn't, they "voted" at gunpoint.	Jan 23 06:40
MinceR	russia occupied crimea and then held a sham referendum	Jan 23 06:41
MinceR	had russia been beaten into submission like nazi germany was, we could be a lot safer. but it wasn't.	Jan 23 06:42
msb_	give proof of crimeans voting at gunpoint	Jan 23 06:42
MinceR	read the news	Jan 23 06:42
msb_	any proof in the non-corporate news?	Jan 23 06:43
MinceR	do your fake "news	Jan 23 06:43
MinceR	do your fake "news" sites claim russia didn't occupy crimea?	Jan 23 06:43
msb_	why do you call globalresearch.ca fake?	Jan 23 06:44
msb_	and you did not give proof of crimeans voting at gunpoint	Jan 23 06:45
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Crimean_crisis	Jan 23 06:46
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MinceR	The ensuing 16 March 2014 referendum on whether to join Russia, held while the peninsula was occupied by Russian soldiers,[46]	Jan 23 06:47
msb_	was it a secret ballot?	Jan 23 06:47
msb_	When I asked if you favored the Nazi coup govt of Ukraine, you responded with nonsense. " in your hatred of fascism, do you favor fascism?"	Jan 23 06:49
MinceR	it's not nonsense, your position is nonsense	Jan 23 06:49
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MinceR	you support a totalitarian fascist dictatorship by handwaving and saying "but the other guys are bad too!"	Jan 23 06:49
MinceR	which is a non-sequitur	Jan 23 06:50
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msb_	MinceR: I'm glad you now have a country you can move to. Sieg Heil!	Jan 23 06:50
msb_	http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine/5371554	Jan 23 06:51
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msb_	MinceR: did you read that article?	Jan 23 06:51
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MinceR	msb_: you had a country you could move to for about 100 years now	Jan 23 06:52
msb_	MinceR: did you read that article?	Jan 23 06:53
MinceR	i didn't	Jan 23 06:53
msb_	Please do.	Jan 23 06:53
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cubexyz	ah, ok... it was coherent that got the source code released	Jan 23 07:51
cubexyz	someone was looking for Unix v3.51	Jan 23 07:51
cubexyz	which was Convergent's proprietary port of Unix	Jan 23 07:52
cubexyz	ha, funny	Jan 23 07:53
cubexyz	I'm not sure there's any source code for a Unix System V	Jan 23 07:54
cubexyz	oh yeah now I remember...	Jan 23 07:57
cubexyz	there was a System V for PDP-11	Jan 23 07:57
cubexyz	and there was an AT&T unix system V release 4...	Jan 23 07:58
cubexyz	I think that could run on a 386	Jan 23 08:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Aptik Backups Your Favorite PPAs/Themes And	Jan 23 08:05
TweetTuxMachines	Icons/App Settings In Ubuntu/Linux Mint	Jan 23 08:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Librem 15, the first free software GNU/Linux	Jan 23 08:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tizen OS 2.3 Samsung Z1 Review	Jan 23 10:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Meizu m1 mini to come in Ubuntu flavour claim	Jan 23 11:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hoogland Expounds and Ticking off Linus	Jan 23 11:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Shadow Warrior Might Be Getting a Linux Version	Jan 23 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	Soon	Jan 23 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/swMoWKJUkA (linux.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 11:16
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TweetTuxMachines	About Linux Support http://t.co/4BEmsCOtz1	Jan 23 11:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Supporting Android in the enterprise is no	Jan 23 11:47
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schestowitz	The founder of moodle has just read and favourited my analysis of MSMoodle	Jan 23 11:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Lubuntu 15.04 Could Be the Last One Based on	Jan 23 11:50
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Lubuntu 15.04 Could Be the Last One Based on	Jan 23 11:51
TweetTuxMachines	LXDE, New Alpha Is Out – Gallery	Jan 23 11:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Dell Venue 8 7000 review: A distinctive and	Jan 23 11:51
TweetTuxMachines	premium Android tablet http://t.co/qjl8fIXHd5	Jan 23 11:51
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schestowitz	>> > The founder of moodle has just read and favourited my analysis of MSMoodle	Jan 23 11:53
schestowitz	> There's hope then if he is not outnumbered. Good work. Your writing	Jan 23 11:53
schestowitz	> has positive impact around the net.	Jan 23 11:53
schestowitz	Some Twitter users have been retweeting this. Notice also how many people have read my Blackboard analyses over the years; I never quite understood this, but I reckoned I stepped in a scandal (Moodlerooms buyout).	Jan 23 11:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 11 technologies that tick off Linus Torvalds	Jan 23 12:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines IBM and Top Linux Distros Team Up to Drag x86	Jan 23 12:01
TweetTuxMachines	Workloads Onto Power http://t.co/Dn3dNxMuBs	Jan 23 12:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines An introduction to Docker	Jan 23 12:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Great Linux propaganda posters	Jan 23 12:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 Standalone Linux Tests	Jan 23 13:44
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MinceR	geekings	Jan 23 17:47
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MinceR	geekings	Jan 23 17:49
MinceR	oh, i said it already	Jan 23 17:49
MinceR	nvm	Jan 23 17:49
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schestowitz	[22:29] <MinceR> "did i turn off the gas?" https://33.media.tumblr.com/7ac3ba4baf30160ee43f00f319e00d74/tumblr_nijw3p2UDg1rc7lcoo1_400.gif	Jan 23 19:27
schestowitz	LOL	Jan 23 19:27
schestowitz	[16:12] <Sosumi> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/hands-on-with-hololens-making-the-virtual-real/	Jan 23 19:27
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schestowitz	Conde Nasty	Jan 23 19:27
schestowitz	I hardly have to click it, I can guess it's Microsoft Peter ads	Jan 23 19:28
Sosumi	yep	Jan 23 19:28
Sosumi	it is	Jan 23 19:28
schestowitz	DrPizza is not trying to pretend to be a journalist	Jan 23 19:28
DrPizza	;_;	Jan 23 19:28
schestowitz	His bio gives away his role in Conde Nasty, which become a gates and Microsoft powerhouse for whitewashing some years back	Jan 23 19:28
schestowitz	Emil used to do that for years	Jan 23 19:28
Sosumi	no idea, I've been only following arstechnica since 2009	Jan 23 19:29
schestowitz	!google churnalism	Jan 23 19:29
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Churnalism \| Search \| http://churnalism.com/	Jan 23 19:29
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Churnalism \| Frequently Asked Questions \| http://churnalism.com/faq	Jan 23 19:29
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Churnalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia \| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churnalism	Jan 23 19:29
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Churnalism US - a project of Sunlight Foundation \| http://sunlightfoundation.com/tools/churnalism-us/	Jan 23 19:29
schestowitz	Sosumi: it used to be very good	Jan 23 19:30
schestowitz	some parts still are very good	Jan 23 19:30
Sosumi	but I haven't been pleased with the changes they did since then	Jan 23 19:30
schestowitz	"Churnalism is a form of journalism in which press releases, wire stories and other forms of pre-packaged material are used to create articles in newspapers and other news media in order to meet increasing pressures of time and cost without undertaking further research or checking.[1] The neologism "churnalism" has been credited to BBC journalist Waseem Zakir who coined the term in 2008."	Jan 23 19:30
Sosumi	well since 2011 or so	Jan 23 19:31
schestowitz	"In 2011, the Daily Mail reported that under former editor of The Sun and News of the World, Rebekah Brooks, "Scores, if not hundreds, of front-page stories were written by the PR men. They would think up a headline and story and The Sun and News of the World would run it, word for word. Some of them were complete fiction. Meanwhile, proper stories by proper journalists were buried deep inside the paper."[9]"	Jan 23 19:31
Sosumi	when they kind of shifted away	Jan 23 19:31
schestowitz	I'm not going to suggest that peter edits ghostwritten articles	Jan 23 19:31
schestowitz	because that might be offensive	Jan 23 19:31
Sosumi	typing out loud	Jan 23 19:32
Sosumi	:)	Jan 23 19:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines PC-BSD Releases Updated Lumina Desktop	Jan 23 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	Environment http://t.co/LVORp8l2rq	Jan 23 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 19:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.1 beta available on	Jan 23 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	IBM Power Platform http://t.co/cEUKX9qwH2	Jan 23 19:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linuxjournal.com)	Jan 23 19:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxjournal.com \| Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.1 beta available on IBM Power Platform \| Linux Journal		Jan 23 19:41
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/barachoix/status/558710465878978560	Jan 23 19:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@barachoix: @schestowitz In Canada it seems like all the TV news includes churnalism (http://t.co/X5pX1AGsGN) Same PR advert on every supper news show.		Jan 23 19:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> en.m.wikipedia.org \| Churnalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Jan 23 19:49
schestowitz	Not just Canada	Jan 23 19:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE 15.04 Alpha 2 Has Default Compiz	Jan 23 19:55
TweetTuxMachines	Support, All Things Must Wobble – Gallery	Jan 23 19:55
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/b8EZo3XDDk (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 19:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Weekend Viewing: Catch up on LCA 2015	Jan 23 19:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ndOsCUJzTA (www.techrepublic.com)	Jan 23 19:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linus Torvalds to Patch the Kernel for a	Jan 23 19:56
TweetTuxMachines	Witcher 2 Problem http://t.co/M8l7NVHUeQ	Jan 23 19:56
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 19:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Dying Light Is an FPS Zombie Survival Game and	Jan 23 20:10
TweetTuxMachines	It Might Get a Linux Release	Jan 23 20:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/AH2nUzxrL6 (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 20:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Dying Light Is an FPS Zombie Survival Game and It Might Get a Linux Release - Softpedia		Jan 23 20:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Companies That Support Linux: Planisys	Jan 23 20:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/hPivwSLqOl (www.linux.com)	Jan 23 20:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tizen Starts 2015 With a Bang	Jan 23 20:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/HRGfeXsjUM (www.linux.com)	Jan 23 20:11
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5467228	Jan 23 20:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@skipstein@diasp.org: These muslim savages are cowards and only strike at unarmed and defenseless citizens. IT may be the very reason we don't see as much of this type of violence here, but in the unarmed capital of NY and other 'no gun' zones/states, we may see it. GUN UP AMERICA! http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/01/19/french-police-gun-control-isnt-working-for-us/		Jan 23 20:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.breitbart.com \| French Police: Gun Control Isn't Working for Us - Breitbart [ http://ur1.ca/jhywy ]		Jan 23 20:20
schestowitz	"True, not JUST muslim but the majority are muslim radicals back by most muslims, quietly and financially in the background."	Jan 23 20:20
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5469831	Jan 23 20:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://twitter.com/aleeharissi/status/558416154448785408		Jan 23 20:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@aleeharissi: #Saudi King Abdullah who died earlier tonight was about 90 years old. Here is a photo of him with George W Bush http://t.co/VenC74WiKr		Jan 23 20:21
schestowitz	"The one in the picture, looks much older than the Saudi king."	Jan 23 20:21
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5471266	Jan 23 20:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: ‘It just works’? Not so for too many #Apple users http://www.infoworld.com/article/2873356/applications/for-too-many-apple-users-it-doesnt-just-work.html		Jan 23 20:22
schestowitz	"The day that Steve Jobs passed away was the day Apple started it's permanent descent into hell."	Jan 23 20:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.infoworld.com \| ‘It just works’? Not so for too many Apple users \| InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/jidud ]		Jan 23 20:22
schestowitz	"indeed- many dismiss him as basically a great marketing man and little else. But his focus on quality control was important."	Jan 23 20:22
schestowitz	Quality control as in blaming users for antenna issues :-)	Jan 23 20:22
MinceR	It Just Fails(tm)	Jan 23 20:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Shipping News: Docker 1.5rc1 arrives in port …	Jan 23 20:24
TweetTuxMachines	NOW! http://t.co/N3QPMFRSiK	Jan 23 20:24
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theregister.co.uk)	Jan 23 20:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Shipping News: Docker 1.5rc1 arrives in port … NOW! • The Register		Jan 23 20:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Companies That Support Linux: Planisys	Jan 23 20:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/5Eh5ECwGD9 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 20:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Sub-$100 Cortex-A5 dev board accepts Arduino	Jan 23 20:24
TweetTuxMachines	shields http://t.co/QmAWlhcuvk	Jan 23 20:24
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 20:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tizen Starts 2015 With a Bang	Jan 23 20:48
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/EoHR9ZQFJA (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 20:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Tizen Starts 2015 With a Bang \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 20:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google just made it easier to run Linux on your	Jan 23 20:49
TweetTuxMachines	Chromebook http://t.co/6TvpwuE6c2	Jan 23 20:49
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 20:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Google just made it easier to run Linux on your Chromebook \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 20:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines It's Windows 10, Because It's 10 Years Behind	Jan 23 20:49
TweetTuxMachines	Open Source http://t.co/Ux8Xoj0831	Jan 23 20:49
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 20:49
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Vadgama_/status/558728782832730112	Jan 23 20:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Vadgama_: @schestowitz Let's not speak ill of the dead, The cunt is someone's father, husband to many wives & chief funder of terrorism King #Abdullah		Jan 23 20:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Screenshots of MATE 15.04 Vivid Vervet Alpha 2	Jan 23 21:18
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/WDkpDV9tRl (www.webupd8.org)	Jan 23 21:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.webupd8.org \| Ubuntu MATE 15.04 Vivid Vervet Alpha 2 Released ~ Web Upd8: Ubuntu / Linux blog		Jan 23 21:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Benchmarks Of NVIDIA's Early 2015 GeForce	Jan 23 21:18
TweetTuxMachines	Line-Up http://t.co/6bq9uMNa7N	Jan 23 21:18
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jan 23 21:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wine Announcement https://t.co/tfyCsLeO0T	Jan 23 21:18
TweetTuxMachines	(www.winehq.org)	Jan 23 21:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.winehq.org \| WineHQ - Wine Announcement - The Wine development release 1.7.35 is now available.		Jan 23 21:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines It's Windows 10, Because It's 10 Years Behind	Jan 23 21:26
TweetTuxMachines	Open Source http://t.co/EUrSpMWCJk	Jan 23 21:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.computerworlduk.com)	Jan 23 21:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samba Updated for Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and Ubuntu	Jan 23 21:26
TweetTuxMachines	14.10	Jan 23 21:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kbgQdkl0dv (linux.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 21:26
TweetTuxMachines	tackling	Jan 23 21:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Samba Updated for Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and Ubuntu 14.10 - Softpedia		Jan 23 21:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google just made it easier to run Linux on your	Jan 23 21:26
TweetTuxMachines	Chromebook http://t.co/Ww1jP7e9lu	Jan 23 21:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.pcworld.com)	Jan 23 21:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com \| Google just made it easier to run Linux on your Chromebook \| PCWorld		Jan 23 21:26
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MinceR	i thought it ran by default :>	Jan 23 21:27
schestowitz	yeah	Jan 23 21:28
schestowitz	they mean KDE ro GNOME or something	Jan 23 21:28
*TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Google just made it easier to run Linux...'		Jan 23 21:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Sub-$100 Cortex-A5 dev board accepts Arduino	Jan 23 21:33
TweetTuxMachines	shields http://t.co/7BzhlsX9aN	Jan 23 21:33
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Jan 23 21:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Sub-$100 Cortex-A5 dev board accepts Arduino shields		Jan 23 21:33
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/KomalPorwal/status/558742194992214017	Jan 23 21:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KomalPorwal: @schestowitz Oil surges after Saudi King’s death [http://t.co/reAW7AhG4C]		Jan 23 21:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.newsroompost.com \| Oil surges after Saudi King's death - NewsroomPost		Jan 23 21:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Review: Two Android Wear Watches That Are	Jan 23 21:53
TweetTuxMachines	(Almost) Worth Buying https://t.co/rNqJeY9Uou	Jan 23 21:53
TweetTuxMachines	(www.yahoo.com)	Jan 23 21:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.yahoo.com \| Review: Two Android Wear Watches That Are (Almost) Worth Buying		Jan 23 21:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 'Windows Must Go Open Source': What Happened?	Jan 23 21:53
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/SSXHn4NAfU (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 21:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 'Windows Must Go Open Source': What Happened? \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 21:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samba Updated for Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and Ubuntu	Jan 23 21:53
TweetTuxMachines	14.10 http://t.co/R1nb4pjrqR	Jan 23 21:53
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 21:54
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/kaatje36/status/558748998920851456	Jan 23 22:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kaatje36: @schestowitz I hear the new one suffers from dementia....		Jan 23 22:12
schestowitz	A king in diapers.. at least not a naked emperor	Jan 23 22:13
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/kaatje36/status/558749558474571776	Jan 23 22:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kaatje36: @schestowitz lolol, I just spit my wine at the screen :D		Jan 23 22:17
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Thomas_Drake1/status/558666015513804802	Jan 23 22:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Thomas_Drake1: .@RonWyden "Buying a smartphone shouldn’t be interpreted as giving the gov't a free pass to track your movements” http://t.co/ZQYE00CCPk		Jan 23 22:20
schestowitz	Not only so-called smartphones (buzzword) do this, the carrier does this to all phones (for many years in UK now)	Jan 23 22:20
MinceR	hijacked buzzword	Jan 23 22:21
MinceR	used to mean a mobile phone that is also a general-purpose computer	Jan 23 22:21
MinceR	now to most people it just means mobile phone with touchscreen	Jan 23 22:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wine Announcement http://t.co/tkOad0v9C9	Jan 23 22:24
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 22:24
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Wine Announcement \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 22:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Benchmarks Of NVIDIA's Early 2015 GeForce	Jan 23 22:25
TweetTuxMachines	Line-Up http://t.co/4JsDJzCKWu	Jan 23 22:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 22:25
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/kevskewl/status/558752302228865024	Jan 23 22:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kevskewl: @schestowitz #YourAspirations, #Opposed2 #CorporateGovernance, #ModernDaySlavery; that's what my site is all about. http://t.co/hzomlHNVgS		Jan 23 22:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.rebelmouse.com \| kevskewl		Jan 23 22:26
XFaCE	schestowitz: MinceR http://valleywag.gawker.com/linus-torvalds-does-not-give-a-shit-about-you-1680004895	Jan 23 22:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-valleywag.gawker.com \| Linus Torvalds Does Not Give A Shit About You And Your Dumb Opinions [ http://ur1.ca/jio7z ]		Jan 23 22:28
MinceR	that's fine, i don't give a shit about his, either :>	Jan 23 22:28
XFaCE	MinceR: To be fair, he is absolutely right here	Jan 23 22:28
XFaCE	MinceR: I especially love the social activist they mentioned trying to get Linus forced out of Linux development	Jan 23 22:28
XFaCE	aHAHAHA	Jan 23 22:28
MinceR	is this the SJW thing?	Jan 23 22:29
XFaCE	seriously	Jan 23 22:29
XFaCE	MinceR: yeper	Jan 23 22:29
MinceR	yeah, i don't care for that	Jan 23 22:29
XFaCE	MinceR: oh, the article describes one	Jan 23 22:29
XFaCE	MinceR: but it isn't an sjw article	Jan 23 22:29
MinceR	and if the activist thinks they can do a better Linux without Linus, they can fork it and try their hand at it	Jan 23 22:29
XFaCE	MinceR: "Linus actually did something useful with his life. Shanley Kane is another opinionated nobody with a Twitter microphone."	Jan 23 22:29
XFaCE	end of story	Jan 23 22:29
XFaCE	MinceR: Or try to out-commit Linus	Jan 23 22:30
XFaCE	you know, actually do work	Jan 23 22:30
MinceR	if i forked Linux, it would be for an entirely different reason, though	Jan 23 22:30
XFaCE	MinceR: Feminix?	Jan 23 22:30
MinceR	no, to keep crap such as kdbus and hype-V out	Jan 23 22:30
MinceR	but for now, not compiling them in will suffice, i guess	Jan 23 22:31
XFaCE	MinceR: let's not mix real issues and fake take-offense issues	Jan 23 22:31
MinceR	indeed	Jan 23 22:32
XFaCE	MinceR: unfortuately, these linus-whiners distract	Jan 23 22:33
XFaCE	fortunately, linus is holding his ground	Jan 23 22:33
XFaCE	MinceR: they now have to deal with a personality they can't just shame into agreement	Jan 23 22:33
MinceR	:>	Jan 23 22:34
XFaCE	MinceR: why do you have to smile like that?	Jan 23 22:37
MinceR	just because	Jan 23 22:37
XFaCE	MinceR: Are you benedict Cumberbatch or something? http://i.imgur.com/U1Jq0MA.jpg	Jan 23 22:38
abeNd-org	MinceR: granted hyperv isnt used in too many enterprise environments, it is used, & linux is used in such environments, why would you want hyperv support stripped?	Jan 23 22:38
abeNd-org	wouldnt you want linux compatible with enterprise environments?	Jan 23 22:38
MinceR	XFaCE: no	Jan 23 22:39
XFaCE	MinceR: that was a joke	Jan 23 22:39
MinceR	abeNd-org: microsoft filth does not belong in a real OS, especially not when it's duplicating preexisting virtio functionality	Jan 23 22:39
MinceR	abeNd-org: if your idea of an "enterprise environment" is the failure parody of AD and Exchange, have fun with it, i don't want to have anything to do with	Jan 23 22:40
MinceR	it	Jan 23 22:40
MinceR	also, if you're using hype-V, you're doing it wrong	Jan 23 22:41
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abeNd-org	MinceR: most of our hosts are esxi, very few are citrix xen, fewer yet hyperv, 0 are pure opensource	Jan 23 22:42
MinceR	sucks to be you	Jan 23 22:42
MinceR	XFaCE: the UPDATE is extra funny	Jan 23 22:43
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XFaCE	MinceR: update?	Jan 23 22:43
abeNd-org	my company is making money, & so are our clients	Jan 23 22:43
MinceR	XFaCE: at the bottom of the article	Jan 23 22:43
MinceR	abeNd-org: making money while losing sanity is well known to me	Jan 23 22:43
XFaCE	"UPDATE: ModelViewCulture CEO Shanley Kane has asked me to describe her not as a "diversity advocate" or "diversity activist" and to instead identify her as the co-founder and CEO of a media company that is better than the one I work for. According to its website, ModelViewCulture is "an independent media platform focused on the intersection of technology, culture and diversity." So: nothing to do with advocating for diversity then. I regret the error	Jan 23 22:44
XFaCE	, and have updated the post to reflect that."	Jan 23 22:44
XFaCE	lol	Jan 23 22:44
schestowitz	[22:25] <MinceR> now to most people it just means mobile phone with touchscreen	Jan 23 22:44
schestowitz	Good point	Jan 23 22:44
abeNd-org	MinceR: im not really seeing what the issue is with vmware, windows & linux works fine	Jan 23 22:44
XFaCE	hi schestowitz	Jan 23 22:44
schestowitz	or phone that costs more than $x	Jan 23 22:44
XFaCE	schestowitz: did you right about all the win10 updates yet?	Jan 23 22:44
XFaCE	*write	Jan 23 22:44
MinceR	abeNd-org: i've had more than enough issues with the first two	Jan 23 22:45
MinceR	and yes, Mandatory IE Edition will make it even worse	Jan 23 22:45
abeNd-org	MinceR: so what hypervisor should the world be going with instead?	Jan 23 22:46
schestowitz	XFaCE: I write about news	Jan 23 22:46
schestowitz	Vista 10 is not news	Jan 23 22:46
XFaCE	lol	Jan 23 22:46
schestowitz	MS has spoken about it for almost 2 years	Jan 23 22:46
MinceR	abeNd-org: KVM, for example	Jan 23 22:46
XFaCE	drops mike	Jan 23 22:46
schestowitz	the latest is marketing designed to bury bad news	Jan 23 22:46
schestowitz	I wrote two articles alluding to it yesterday	Jan 23 22:47
schestowitz	Michael Larabel watsed time and space doing an article about it	Jan 23 22:47
XFaCE	schestowitz: is there anything to the "holograms, etc."?	Jan 23 22:47
XFaCE	in your opinion?	Jan 23 22:47
schestowitz	LXer also linked to some articles	Jan 23 22:47
XFaCE	schestowitz: or just more vapourware?	Jan 23 22:47
schestowitz	Glyn Moody had a decent comeback hours ago...	Jan 23 22:47
schestowitz	[pulling]	Jan 23 22:47
schestowitz	XFaCE: marketing hype, ask DrPizza	Jan 23 22:48
schestowitz	He's part of the marketing squad for it	Jan 23 22:48
DrPizza	hurrr	Jan 23 22:48
XFaCE	schestowitz: I thought he was Apple	Jan 23 22:48
schestowitz	judging by his latest puff piece	Jan 23 22:48
XFaCE	who is DrPizza anyway?	Jan 23 22:48
schestowitz	Peter Bright	Jan 23 22:48
MinceR	some m$ munchkin from Arse Technica	Jan 23 22:48
XFaCE	schestowitz: "Microsoft Peter"?	Jan 23 22:49
schestowitz	yes	Jan 23 22:49
XFaCE	ah	Jan 23 22:49
schestowitz	successor of Microsoft Emil	Jan 23 22:49
schestowitz	Their role at Conde Nast is not journalism	Jan 23 22:49
DrPizza	uh huh	Jan 23 22:50
schestowitz	They are Mirosoft boosters, their role is to repeat daily that Microsoft is so awesome and nothing is ever Microsoft's fault	Jan 23 22:50
schestowitz	Blame VP8, Google, whatever...	Jan 23 22:50
schestowitz	Always cleanse Microsoft of blame	Jan 23 22:50
schestowitz	and remember	Jan 23 22:50
schestowitz	Microsoft IS... Awesome!!	Jan 23 22:50
abeNd-org	heh, even the microsoft admins i work with don't say microsoft is awesome	Jan 23 22:52
abeNd-org	the only people who say that are not in IT, the C level folks	Jan 23 22:52
MinceR	i know someone who's supposedly in IT and loves every bit of m$	Jan 23 22:52
schestowitz	Some people do	Jan 23 22:53
abeNd-org	& IT decisions made on golf courses	Jan 23 22:53
schestowitz	because they feel comfortable defending what they know	Jan 23 22:53
MinceR	yeah, that's why we're where we are	Jan 23 22:53
schestowitz	Like Peter for example. He already pissed many people off	Jan 23 22:53
MinceR	smartphones dying, PC dying, IT dying	Jan 23 22:53
schestowitz	Like Opera, Linux folks, Mac folks...	Jan 23 22:53
abeNd-org	i dont know any pure zealots other than Cisco admins	Jan 23 22:53
MinceR	GNU/Linux infected with cancerd	Jan 23 22:53
schestowitz	Lack of objectivity and even gross distortion of facts leads to that	Jan 23 22:53
schestowitz	MinceR: is that under /etc/init.d/ ?	Jan 23 22:54
MinceR	afaik no	Jan 23 22:54
schestowitz	how does one start daemons with systemd?	Jan 23 22:54
schestowitz	systemd mysqld restart? :-p	Jan 23 22:54
schestowitz	it's all systemd now, not just init	Jan 23 22:55
schestowitz	even logs	Jan 23 22:55
schestowitz	I guess many scripts are going to get b0rked	Jan 23 22:55
schestowitz	admins to HAVE to learn some new methods from RHAT	Jan 23 22:55
MinceR	some systemctl command, for now	Jan 23 22:55
schestowitz	Like service NAME status	Jan 23 22:55
MinceR	but i'm sure they're itching to replace it with the "user-friendly" method of "reboot"	Jan 23 22:55
MinceR	i hear it's already the official way to restart dbus	Jan 23 22:56
schestowitz	I think dbus is mostly red hat maintained	Jan 23 22:56
schestowitz	gnome 3	Jan 23 22:56
MinceR	indeed	Jan 23 22:56
schestowitz	sorry, I mean, fedora... red hat likes to pretend to be "the community"	Jan 23 22:56
MinceR	they're currently conspiring to push it into the kernel	Jan 23 22:56
schestowitz	dbus?	Jan 23 22:57
MinceR	because they've adopted the windows nt design philosophy: "throw it into the kernel"	Jan 23 22:57
MinceR	yup	Jan 23 22:57
schestowitz	strange	Jan 23 22:58
schestowitz	loadable module?	Jan 23 22:58
schestowitz	or core part?	Jan 23 22:58
MinceR	hopefully module	Jan 23 22:58
MinceR	or whatever, hopefully optional	Jan 23 22:58
schestowitz	I guess they'll eventually package it all together as a distro anyway	Jan 23 22:58
schestowitz	many distros are now:	Jan 23 22:59
schestowitz	1) fedora derives (not many), more RHEL clones	Jan 23 22:59
schestowitz	2) debian-derives	Jan 23 22:59
schestowitz	3) ubuntu-derived	Jan 23 22:59
schestowitz	Then you have arch, gentoo, slack*	Jan 23 22:59
schestowitz	suse is dying	Jan 23 22:59
MinceR	most of them are going to become 'cancerd with a different wallpaper'	Jan 23 22:59
schestowitz	ubuntu with unity	Jan 23 23:00
schestowitz	plus mir	Jan 23 23:00
MinceR	actually i meant 'fedora with a different wallpaper', i think	Jan 23 23:00
schestowitz	freebsd wants something similar	Jan 23 23:00
schestowitz	fedora is not the desktop leader	Jan 23 23:01
MinceR	yeah, apparently they want to turn it into FreeOSX	Jan 23 23:01
schestowitz	debian is	Jan 23 23:01
MinceR	debian used to be the leader up to and including wheezy	Jan 23 23:01
MinceR	debian is dead	Jan 23 23:01
schestowitz	but ubuntu is based on it	Jan 23 23:01
MinceR	ubuntu is dead too	Jan 23 23:01
schestowitz	look what most distros are built around	Jan 23 23:01
schestowitz	ubuntu is very alive on servers	Jan 23 23:01
schestowitz	I deploy it a lot because I'm asked to	Jan 23 23:02
MinceR	soon debian and ubuntu will have no choice but to copy fedora/rh's every move	Jan 23 23:02
schestowitz	also on many desktops, but only selected companies	Jan 23 23:02
schestowitz	MinceR: maybe for kernel	Jan 23 23:02
schestowitz	ubuntu hardly does kernel stuff	Jan 23 23:02
MinceR	because the secrets in systemd have changed and everything depends on the latest change to the undocumented APIs	Jan 23 23:02
schestowitz	except its own, like mir for graphics	Jan 23 23:02
MinceR	we already had a company working in this way before	Jan 23 23:02
schestowitz	MinceR: oh	Jan 23 23:02
schestowitz	I forget about devuan	Jan 23 23:03
schestowitz	any word about it?	Jan 23 23:03
schestowitz	Silence for like a month now, since before xmas	Jan 23 23:03
MinceR	it seems to be progressing	Jan 23 23:03
MinceR	but i don't know much about where it is now	Jan 23 23:03
MinceR	hopefully it will be what debian used to be	Jan 23 23:03
schestowitz	maybe...	Jan 23 23:05
schestowitz	Will Ubuntu follow it? Doesn't sound like it..	Jan 23 23:05
MinceR	they've already decided to drop upstart and adopt systemd	Jan 23 23:05
MinceR	because debian's doing it	Jan 23 23:05
MinceR	and they're unwilling to do extra work	Jan 23 23:06
schestowitz	I think they did that before Debian's decision	Jan 23 23:06
schestowitz	the vote in Debian was several months later	Jan 23 23:06
schestowitz	but maybe canonical foresaw the outcome	Jan 23 23:06
MinceR	maybe they were told by the people who decided	Jan 23 23:06
MinceR	not that upstart wasn't a horrible mess	Jan 23 23:07
MinceR	with its disgusting abuse of SIGSTOP and SIGCONT (?)	Jan 23 23:07
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schestowitz	I know nothing about that abuse...	Jan 23 23:13
MinceR	afaik upstart-aware daemons suspend themselves when they're started and ready to serve	Jan 23 23:14
MinceR	then upstart notices this and resumes them	Jan 23 23:14
MinceR	if they're not on upstart, they'll just be suspended indefinitely, unless there's some way to tell them not to	Jan 23 23:14
MinceR	systemd-aware daemons instead depend on yet another library (or copy/paste code from it), which is also disgusting	Jan 23 23:15
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5474518	Jan 23 23:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Don't ever give #currys a real #email address. They'd say it's for warranty or something, but it's actually for them to #spam you.		Jan 23 23:21
schestowitz	"...........Along with lots of other places !!!"	Jan 23 23:21
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5471177	Jan 23 23:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: [Older] The #uk brought its #censorship equipment from #china http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23452097 Year of the ram, ramming free speech		Jan 23 23:22
schestowitz	"They have the know-how."	Jan 23 23:22
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schestowitz	UK trying to stay "ahead of of the curve" now	Jan 23 23:22
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schestowitz	MinceR: https://41.media.tumblr.com/34a522390921ed4bb63cec93ac5e85d0/tumblr_nia3uci5XB1qd65vgo1_1280.jpg	Jan 23 23:46
schestowitz	http://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1422055479612353_tall.jpg	Jan 23 23:46
MinceR	:>	Jan 23 23:47
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/WIRED/status/558755086382665728	Jan 23 23:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@WIRED: With its acquisition of Revolution Analytics, Microsoft continues to march toward open source http://t.co/I5AMlX1lEv		Jan 23 23:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.wired.com \| Microsoft Continues Its March Toward Open Source With Latest Acquisition \| WIRED		Jan 23 23:55
MinceR	better take up arms, then	Jan 23 23:55
schestowitz	More BS from Conde Nast, highly misleading headline openwashing anti-FOSS company for doing nothing FOSS here	Jan 23 23:56
cubexyz	I doubt microsoft will ever release their source code for windows	Jan 23 23:59
schestowitz	it'll maybe be left as abandonware soon	Jan 23 23:59
schestowitz	like old DOS and Win code	Jan 23 23:59
schestowitz	not FOSS	Jan 23 23:59
schestowitz	look but don't touch	Jan 23 23:59
cubexyz	no complete windows source I'm aware of in the wild	Jan 24 00:00
cubexyz	msdos, yes	Jan 24 00:00
cubexyz	any leaked BIOS source code is avoided by the coreboot folks	Jan 24 00:02
XFaCE	schestowitz: http://www.coindesk.com/bill-gates-bitcoin-alone-wont-solve-global-payments-challenges/	Jan 24 00:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.coindesk.com \| Bill Gates: Bitcoin Alone Won't Solve Global Payments Challenges [ http://ur1.ca/jiprh ]		Jan 24 00:02
XFaCE	Bill Gates is an expert in everything!	Jan 24 00:02
schestowitz	meh	Jan 24 00:03
MinceR	lol	Jan 24 00:03
schestowitz	Nothing about this article	Jan 24 00:03
schestowitz	except the name	Jan 24 00:03
XFaCE	yep	Jan 24 00:03
cubexyz	schestowitz, got it right, Gates is mainly about extraction and control	Jan 24 00:03
schestowitz	!google techrights gates economist	Jan 24 00:03
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cubexyz	well, I think FOSS is gaining traction, no doubt about it	Jan 24 00:05
MinceR	gn	Jan 24 00:05
cubexyz	things were "FOSSY" in the Unix v6 era	Jan 24 00:05
cubexyz	then AT&T tightened up on the license	Jan 24 00:05
MinceR	fossyl	Jan 24 00:06
XFaCE	https://falkvinge.net/2015/01/14/hilarious-activists-turn-tables-on-political-surveillance-hawks-wiretaps-them-with-honeypot-open-wi-fi-at-security-conference/	Jan 24 00:06
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cubexyz	so about 1975 to 1979 Unix was pretty open, after that it closes up until BSD/360 1.0 in 1993	Jan 24 00:09
cubexyz	the Dark Ages of computing... I'd say that was 1992 to 2000	Jan 24 00:10
cubexyz	from windows 3.1 to windows 2000	Jan 24 00:10
cubexyz	BSD/386 rather	Jan 24 00:10
cubexyz	then after 2000 Linux got some traction	Jan 24 00:10
cubexyz	of course 1979 to 1992 wasn't too great either	Jan 24 00:11
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cubexyz	Glyn Moody did a good job explaining things in "Rebel Code: Linux and the Open Source Revolution"	Jan 24 00:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Meizu m1 mini to Launch with Ubuntu Touch –	Jan 24 00:45
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Meizu's Flyme OS, Yun OS, developed by	Jan 24 00:45
TweetTuxMachines	Alibaba, and Ubuntu. The stock Android version	Jan 24 00:45
TweetTuxMachines	was unexpected" http://t.co/yrHdctC4Mt	Jan 24 00:45
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schestowitz	Jobs was a great and effective thief. His greatest achievement was putting polish on free software and turning it against the user. His second greatest achievement was cooperating with Microsoft to make sure no one else could do the same or better. I'm glad he's gone.	Jan 24 01:24
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5471266	Jan 24 01:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: ‘It just works’? Not so for too many #Apple users http://www.infoworld.com/article/2873356/applications/for-too-many-apple-users-it-doesnt-just-work.html		Jan 24 01:24
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5474644	Jan 24 01:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: James Bottomley who was #microsoft tool in #novell is now pushing #uefi 'secure boot' into #linux http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-Quark-EFITools-32-Bit		Jan 24 01:25
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schestowitz	"Good idea ... maybe it can be a systemd thing."	Jan 24 01:25
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5474120	Jan 24 01:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: People who say you can install #gnu #linux on #chromebooks often show ignorance because Chromebooks come with GNU/Linux, just different DE		Jan 24 01:25
schestowitz	"There are a lot of desktop environments and distributions that can be labelled GNU/Linux, I'm not sure ChromeOS is one of them. It definitely uses a modified Linux kernel they release under GPL 2. Mostly I'm stuck on the GNU part as Android does not use glibc. I believe all their middleware is licensed under an Apache license."	Jan 24 01:25
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5473441	Jan 24 01:26
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schestowitz	"	Jan 24 01:26
schestowitz	But the history is written by the winners, or in this case by governments to fit their agenda so now Ukrainians are the ones that "liberated" concentration camps.	Jan 24 01:26
schestowitz	I guess survivors would like to say thanks to the new Nazi Ukrainian government.	Jan 24 01:26
schestowitz	"	Jan 24 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 23/1/2015: Red Hat on IBM Power, Meizu	Jan 24 01:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Federal Agencies Using Open Source Solutions	Jan 24 01:27
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cubexyz	heard a new term today: "freeium minefield"	Jan 24 02:16
cubexyz	it's when something is proported to be free but it's actually adware or nagware or worse	Jan 24 02:16
cubexyz	usually it's in the form of some anti-virus software	Jan 24 02:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/s2JCBp0eFX	Jan 24 02:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Jan 24 02:20
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msb_	What theories do people here have as to WHY almost all distros have adopted systemd even though it violates fundamental Unix design principles and unexpectedly forces changes in apps? The only reasons I've seen are to deal with non-deterministic sequencing of I/O equipment events, but that can be done without systemd's violations and coercions. The only answer I've seen is on an anti-systemd site, and involves RH and its big customer	Jan 24 02:24
msb_	the US govt -- a "conspiracy theory".	Jan 24 02:24
cubexyz	well the main reason goes back to GNU -> Gnu's Not Unix	Jan 24 02:25
cubexyz	so they don't really hold Unix principles as sacred	Jan 24 02:25
msb_	What force has been brought to bear on these distros?	Jan 24 02:25
cubexyz	good question	Jan 24 02:26
msb_	But these principles are obviously good design regardless of one's ideas about Unix.	Jan 24 02:26
cubexyz	You'll probably need to ask the distro maintainers directly	Jan 24 02:27
cubexyz	it has happened before...	Jan 24 02:27
cubexyz	BSD Vs AT&T	Jan 24 02:28
cubexyz	bsd init vs sysv	Jan 24 02:28
msb_	Since they've all done it at about the same time, I think there's something sinister going on and I wouldn't get a straight answer.	Jan 24 02:28
cubexyz	systemd is the new shiny thing	Jan 24 02:30
msb_	cubexyz: You mention a couple of big changes (which I'm not familiar with), but did they cause anywhere near as much damage?	Jan 24 02:30
cubexyz	msb_, sure... the Unix Wars... it messed up Unix for a long time	Jan 24 02:31
msb_	How is systemd shiny?	Jan 24 02:31
cubexyz	that's probably why most of us are using Linux and not BSD (excluding myself, I use both)	Jan 24 02:31
cubexyz	the AT&T lawsuit delayed BSD uptake by at least 3 years	Jan 24 02:32
cubexyz	msb_, I'm not saying systemd is good, just that it's the 'new thing'	Jan 24 02:32
cubexyz	I'm not a 'new thing' person... I still muck around with Unix v5 :)	Jan 24 02:33
msb_	Wow, never heard of that! Just like MS and SCO.	Jan 24 02:33
cubexyz	Dennis Ritchie himself hounded the Coherent Unix guys	Jan 24 02:33
cubexyz	making sure no one used AT&T code	Jan 24 02:34
cubexyz	yes, it's similar to MS and SCO	Jan 24 02:34
msb_	So this was to make money for AT&T.	Jan 24 02:34
cubexyz	sure...	Jan 24 02:35
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/unix-system-v-prices-1983.pdf	Jan 24 02:35
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msb_	But with systemd the motivation must be different. RH isn't going to make money from it. Linux is all free. But what's going on in the world is that the US did the 911 false-flag attack and has used that as the excuse to destroy several nations and murder millions of people. And people all over the world are protesting about this via the Internet.	Jan 24 02:38
msb_	And the psychopathic mass murderers doing these horrors must be worried that communication via the Net will help overthrow them just like samizdat via carbon-paper and mimeograph machines helped overthrow the USSR.	Jan 24 02:40
cubexyz	I'm not too worried about systemd as I use older linux (sysv) and openbsd (bsd init)	Jan 24 02:40
msb_	So if these monsters can get control of the free software that is so important to Net operation...	Jan 24 02:41
msb_	cubexyz: Yes, YOU are not worried. I'm talking about everyone else in the world.	Jan 24 02:41
cubexyz	unix traditionals will probably go to one of the BSDs: FreeBSD, OpenBSD or NetBSD	Jan 24 02:41
cubexyz	traditionalists	Jan 24 02:42
cubexyz	or Slackware... I'm sure I can think of other examples	Jan 24 02:42
cubexyz	you can even go back to syr4 if you want	Jan 24 02:43
cubexyz	svr4 rather	Jan 24 02:43
msb_	Will that prevent the monsters who have just murdered millions of people and are trying to start WWIII by Nazifying Ukraine from gaining control of the Internet?	Jan 24 02:43
msb_	Will the people who operate the Internet follow your advice, or will they continue using Linux?	Jan 24 02:44
cubexyz	ha, I don't think many people listen to me	Jan 24 02:45
cubexyz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Controls_the_Internet%3F	Jan 24 02:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Who Controls the Internet? - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/jis33 ]		Jan 24 02:46
cubexyz	there was some talk of an alternative internet via mesh	Jan 24 02:46
cubexyz	I'm not sure how that's progressing	Jan 24 02:47
cubexyz	in Canada we have free-nets so they are protected	Jan 24 02:48
cubexyz	not sure about the U.S. and other countries	Jan 24 02:48
cubexyz	e.g. http://www.ncf.ca	Jan 24 02:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ncf.ca \| National Capital FreeNet, Ottawa's not-for-profit internet provider (ISP)		Jan 24 02:49
msb_	cubexyz: Wow, thanks, that's a great wiki article!	Jan 24 02:51
cubexyz	np	Jan 24 02:51
cubexyz	Postel died of heart problems about 9 months after the DNS Root Authority incident	Jan 24 03:04
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Postel	Jan 24 03:17
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msb_	In which he opposed the US govt having total control of the Net.	Jan 24 03:17
cubexyz	yes	Jan 24 03:17
msb_	He died of a heart attack at the age of 55. Easily done by the CIA with drugs or microwave bombardment.	Jan 24 03:19
cubexyz	well, ARPA was part of the U.S. Department of Defense	Jan 24 03:21
cubexyz	not too surprising the U.S. government would want control over the internet	Jan 24 03:21
msb_	What they wanted was the ability to shut it down.	Jan 24 03:22
msb_	Just as they will be able to do when the Net is fully controlled by various versions of Lennux.	Jan 24 03:24
msb_	Some minor change to systemd will be sneaked through.	Jan 24 03:24
msb_	It will "call home" or something.	Jan 24 03:26
msb_	While lots of newbies involved with Linux are so naive as to be fascinated by "new shiny things", I'd think that distro administrators would be among the most experienced and best informed types.	Jan 24 03:30
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msb_	So some method of inducing them to accept systemd must have been used. It may have been different for different ones.	Jan 24 03:31
cubexyz	some of those guys are younger than me :)	Jan 24 03:32
msb_	But I don;t think they are that goddamned stupid.	Jan 24 03:32
cubexyz	it's an old story...	Jan 24 03:32
msb_	what do you mean?	Jan 24 03:33
cubexyz	I can site you many instances of the original developer of a project getting disgruntled and leaving the project	Jan 24 03:33
cubexyz	so they are replaced by a younger person with different ideas	Jan 24 03:34
cubexyz	Poettering also came up with pulseaudio, another thing I don't use	Jan 24 03:35
msb_	A person eager to put in the effort to do the tedious work. But actually and covertly a psychopath who has agreed to do what the ruling psychopaths tell him to do.	Jan 24 03:36
msb_	These personnel changes could have been made over the last several years.	Jan 24 03:37
cubexyz	ok, so what Poettering did which I think was really bad was he made systemd a GNOME dependency	Jan 24 03:37
cubexyz	so if you wanted the newest version of GNOME, you had to have systemd	Jan 24 03:37
msb_	Somehow I've always gotten along without ever using gnome.	Jan 24 03:38
cubexyz	also Miguel de Icaza is a Microsoft tech advocate, and he started the GNOME project!	Jan 24 03:38
msb_	I don't even use half the stuff in KDE3.	Jan 24 03:38
cubexyz	there's your smoking gun	Jan 24 03:38
cubexyz	right, I mapped out all the KDE3 stuff and I don't use much of it these days either	Jan 24 03:39
cubexyz	konsole, klipper, and kmix only	Jan 24 03:40
msb_	The rapid adoption of KDE4 over KDE3 is also suspicious, especially since it was done when most of KDE4 didn't even work.	Jan 24 03:41
msb_	I use those and konversation and the system monitor, but from KDE4 because they're better. Don't know if the current ones will even work under KDE3 or Trinity.	Jan 24 03:42
cubexyz	a lot of KDE3 stuff was orphaned	Jan 24 03:42
cubexyz	same with KDE2, and same with KDE1	Jan 24 03:43
cubexyz	I did some work to get KDE1 stuff to work on KDE3 actually	Jan 24 03:43
msb_	Trinity has probably adopted all of it.	Jan 24 03:43
cubexyz	no, that's the thing... they didn't update a lot of applications	Jan 24 03:44
msb_	Trinity?	Jan 24 03:44
msb_	I think they are at least keeping it all working.	Jan 24 03:44
cubexyz	yes, the main desktop environment is updated, but a lot of applications are not	Jan 24 03:45
msb_	I think it all works. What updating does it need?	Jan 24 03:45
msb_	I think it all works on current Linux. What updating does it need?	Jan 24 03:46
cubexyz	well kooka stopped working because of udev	Jan 24 03:46
cubexyz	so there's system changes also	Jan 24 03:46
cubexyz	kmidi was orphaned, no one uses it now	Jan 24 03:48
cubexyz	not to mention the obvious problems with ksysv	Jan 24 03:48
cubexyz	kind of hard to use that if you don't have sysv any more	Jan 24 03:49
cubexyz	these aren't problems for _me_ though :)	Jan 24 03:49
cubexyz	ksirc is really out of date, no one updates it	Jan 24 03:50
cubexyz	I don't think kbugbuster works for KDE3 any more	Jan 24 03:51
msb_	konversation works pretty well	Jan 24 03:51
msb_	I've never even heard of these programs.	Jan 24 03:51
cubexyz	probably most people haven't	Jan 24 03:52
msb_	There's really no reason for a DE to have a lot of apps that have nothing to do with a DE.	Jan 24 03:53
msb_	Linux has plenty of browsers, editors, all kinds of stuff. As long as the DE runs them.	Jan 24 03:54
cubexyz	KDE is important though as an alternative to GNOME	Jan 24 03:55
cubexyz	of course there's icewm and xfce etc	Jan 24 03:56
msb_	kmail was crashing (or should I say krashing) the whole DE, maybe the kernel, when I first switched to Linux around 2000. So I used mutt, and still do.	Jan 24 03:57
cubexyz	yes kmail was a bit of a mess	Jan 24 03:57
cubexyz	I still know this guy who was a KDE1 developer, and he hated KDE2 :)	Jan 24 04:00
cubexyz	kalzium isn't a bad little program	Jan 24 04:02
msb_	What are these free nets in Canada that you mentioned? Are they they actual hardware -- fiber runs, routers, etc? Who pays for and controls them?	Jan 24 04:02
msb_	Cute!	Jan 24 04:04
cubexyz	well Free-nets (note the hyphen) resell broadband now so they make money from reselling DSL	Jan 24 04:04
cubexyz	also they get some corporate funding and government money	Jan 24 04:05
cubexyz	basically a non-profit ISP	Jan 24 04:05
cubexyz	ultimately the DSL in Ontario is using Bell Canada equipment	Jan 24 04:06
cubexyz	TFN has a lot of their own equipment	Jan 24 04:06
cubexyz	probably there's one in California, I haven't checked into the U.S. ones in a while	Jan 24 04:08
msb_	brb	Jan 24 04:12
msb_	back now	Jan 24 04:33
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msb_	cubexyz: you there?	Jan 24 04:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines PostInstallerF Prepares Post Install In Ubuntu	Jan 24 05:03
TweetTuxMachines	And Fedora http://t.co/3IqCkqnXXP	Jan 24 05:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines PC-BSD Releases Updated Lumina Desktop	Jan 24 05:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.1 beta available on	Jan 24 05:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linus Torvalds to Patch the Kernel for a	Jan 24 05:13
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*TweetTuxMachines @speedytux favourited 'It's Windows 10, Because It's 10 Years Behind...'		Jan 24 05:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines It's Windows 10, Because It's 10 Years Behind	Jan 24 05:31
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cubexyz	ugh, spent too much time looking at coherent	Jan 24 07:33
cubexyz	at least rp.4 was added for v5	Jan 24 07:38
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5474108	Jan 24 09:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Google just made it easier to run #Linux on your Chromebook http://www.pcworld.com/article/2873561/google-just-made-it-easier-to-run-linux-on-your-chromebook.html #chromebooks eat #microsoft share		Jan 24 09:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.pcworld.com \| Google just made it easier to run Linux on your Chromebook \| PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/jix82 ]		Jan 24 09:54
schestowitz	"Good new. Cheap but nice and free laptops incoming!"	Jan 24 09:54
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5474747	Jan 24 09:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://twitter.com/pgo1980/status/558755477329551360		Jan 24 09:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pgo1980: John Kerry on #KingAbdullah, who practised routine torture & arbitrary judicial murder. #UnethicalForeignPolicy http://t.co/YxKRpTtMcf		Jan 24 09:54
schestowitz	"He loved his oil… visits, I mean visits!"	Jan 24 09:54
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5474789	Jan 24 09:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Autistic schoolboy hanged himself after falling for scam 'police' email saying he had looked at indecent websites http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/autistic-schoolboy-hanged-himself-after-5025351?utm_content=buffer64a21&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer		Jan 24 09:54
schestowitz	"	Jan 24 09:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.mirror.co.uk \| Autistic schoolboy hanged himself after falling for scam 'police' email saying he had looked at indecent websites - Mirror Online [ http://ur1.ca/jix88 ]		Jan 24 09:54
schestowitz	Cronos	Jan 24 09:54
schestowitz	That's what happens when you have a government that might not hesitate doing something like that, that's why that kind of scams work.	Jan 24 09:54
schestowitz	I wonder if citizens of good democracies fall in those scams. Something like Norway ... hard to think in a good democracy on these times.	Jan 24 09:54
schestowitz	"	Jan 24 09:54
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5471266	Jan 24 09:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: ‘It just works’? Not so for too many #Apple users http://www.infoworld.com/article/2873356/applications/for-too-many-apple-users-it-doesnt-just-work.html		Jan 24 09:55
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schestowitz	"what free software did he steal? I'm aware that they took the Palo Alto GUI and mouse idea- but what else?"	Jan 24 09:55
schestowitz	"	Jan 24 09:55
schestowitz	It I understand correctly, Mac OS X was originally derived from FreeBSD. The BSD license allows Apple to do just what it did, so calling Jobs a thief, at least on those grounds, is a bit hyperbolic.	Jan 24 09:55
schestowitz	As to "putting polish on free software and turning it against the user," that charge clearly stands.	Jan 24 09:55
schestowitz	"	Jan 24 09:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 'Windows Must Go Open Source': What Happened?	Jan 24 09:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How to set up a VPN on Android – and why you	Jan 24 10:05
TweetTuxMachines	should do it right now	Jan 24 10:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/rcyPl2ATOb (bgr.com)	Jan 24 10:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MakerBot Mobile 1.0 for Android Just Released —	Jan 24 10:05
TweetTuxMachines	Luxuriate in Controlling 3D Printing From Afar	Jan 24 10:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/67VEMay30K (3dprint.com)	Jan 24 10:05
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cubexyz	Jobs did steal...	Jan 24 10:06
cubexyz	from Xerox	Jan 24 10:06
cubexyz	Xerox sued Apple, gee people have short memories	Jan 24 10:06
cubexyz	no doubt about it	Jan 24 10:07
cubexyz	Xerox sued Apple on Dec 15, 1989	Jan 24 10:11
msb_	How many of his inventions did Ted Nelson describe in Computer Lib / Dream Machines? Did he ever try to get paid for any of them?	Jan 24 10:12
msb_	How about Isaac Newton or Michael Faraday?	Jan 24 10:14
cubexyz	my knowledge of history is insufficient to say	Jan 24 10:15
cubexyz	Newton was pretty rich though	Jan 24 10:16
cubexyz	he was "Master of the Royal Mint" later in life	Jan 24 10:17
msb_	Ted Nelson is now working on a new data system called ZigZag. That name is strangely familiar. I'm sure I've seen it someplace before...	Jan 24 10:19
cubexyz	my understanding is that Ted Nelson doesn't get along well with the free software folks	Jan 24 10:22
cubexyz	he's pro-software patents	Jan 24 10:23
msb_	Ick!	Jan 24 10:24
msb_	I met him once and mentioned that he and Xanadu, along with Vannevar Bush and Memex, were described in the weird anime' Seir\	Jan 24 10:25
msb_	Serial Experiments Lain.	Jan 24 10:25
msb_	He said it misrepresented his idea.	Jan 24 10:25
cubexyz	I really like Thompson and Ritchie's ideas	Jan 24 10:27
msb_	Anyhow, I think he gave away a lot of inventions without patenting them.	Jan 24 10:27
msb_	Yup, they did it right!	Jan 24 10:28
msb_	I guess all those huge long-distance bills we paid to the phone company were worth it.	Jan 24 10:30
cubexyz	it's actually a bit murky what happened to Unix after v7 though	Jan 24 10:30
cubexyz	I think 4.1BSD was the basis for 8th edition	Jan 24 10:33
msb_	"Intellectual property" doesn't easily lend itself to legal decisions. Too complex.	Jan 24 10:33
msb_	The info is complicated enough without trying to trace people's actions and thought processes that led them to it.	Jan 24 10:35
msb_	Play with it and enjoy it. Life is too short to fight about it.	Jan 24 10:36
*TweetTuxMachines @RentABuild favourited 'MakerBot Mobile 1.0 for Android Just Released —...'		Jan 24 10:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Zenwalk Linux - A Walk on the Quirky Side	Jan 24 10:43
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/qH0Oi4NmsP (www.linuxinsider.com)	Jan 24 10:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxinsider.com \| Zenwalk Linux - A Walk on the Quirky Side \| Reviews \| LinuxInsider		Jan 24 10:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux-enabled sit/stand smart desk nudges you	Jan 24 10:43
TweetTuxMachines	into action http://t.co/45Meju2yLW	Jan 24 10:43
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Jan 24 10:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Linux-enabled sit/stand smart desk nudges you into action		Jan 24 10:43
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msb_	Wow. a $3.000 desk with a 5-inch display. But it has a timer that tells you to get up and go away.	Jan 24 10:47
msb_	Hopefully it comes with a chainsaw for convenient rapid disassembly.	Jan 24 10:48
cubexyz	heh, I once imagined a desk that surrounded you	Jan 24 10:49
cubexyz	you sit in the centre and there's computers on all sides, front, back, left and right	Jan 24 10:49
msb_	You could have that! You already have the computers.	Jan 24 10:51
cubexyz	I have one mega-desk	Jan 24 10:51
cubexyz	there's 4 computers in front of me	Jan 24 10:51
msb_	What was that story by Gene Roddenberry about a succession of androids that one by one inhabited an office filled with computers and data screens, so it could keep track of what was going on and care for the human race.	Jan 24 10:53
cubexyz	this is kind of what I was thinking:	Jan 24 10:55
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/extended-desk.jpg	Jan 24 10:55
cubexyz	except more computers :)	Jan 24 10:56
msb_	Nice.	Jan 24 10:56
cubexyz	what was the title of the story?	Jan 24 10:59
msb_	The ultimate PC: http://cosmicpenguin.com/images/pc_of_future.jpg	Jan 24 11:00
cubexyz	what's the steering wheel for? :)	Jan 24 11:01
msb_	Those gauges monitor the liquid xenon cooling system pressure so it doesn't explode.	Jan 24 11:02
msb_	Actually, each one has a scale ten times the one before. Ten times ten times ten...almost to infinity!	Jan 24 11:02
cubexyz	not as many gauges as the movie :)	Jan 24 11:03
msb_	It's for virtual reality. It only has 2D VR.	Jan 24 11:03
msb_	This is an earlier version of the Krell machine.	Jan 24 11:04
cubexyz	haha	Jan 24 11:04
msb_	That guy standing there is actually a Krell. You can see why they made their doorways that weird shape.	Jan 24 11:05
msb_	The steering wheel is supposed to control the movements of any Monsters From The Id that show up.	Jan 24 11:07
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Questor_Tapes	Jan 24 11:12
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cubexyz	I dimly remember Ark II as a kid, but I don't think it had anything to do with Roddenberry	Jan 24 11:16
cubexyz	and Genesis II	Jan 24 11:18
cubexyz	that might have been a Roddenberry project	Jan 24 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Oracle Goes After Cisco UCS, with the 'Whole	Jan 24 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	Megillah' http://t.co/D6NdWpxZJ4	Jan 24 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	(www.serverwatch.com) "running Linux"	Jan 24 11:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.serverwatch.com \| Oracle Goes After Cisco UCS, with the 'Whole Megillah'		Jan 24 11:19
*TweetTuxMachines @My3DPrinting followed @tuxmachines		Jan 24 11:19
*TweetTuxMachines @InetUnlimited followed @tuxmachines		Jan 24 11:19
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5474612	Jan 24 11:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Hollywood uses ‘American Sniper’ to destroy history & create myth http://rt.com/op-edge/224507-american-sniper-movie-usa/ racist, insulting to history, and violence-motivating		Jan 24 11:20
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5475767	Jan 24 11:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: WTF! It Should Not Be Illegal to Hack Your Own Car’s Computer https://www.wired.com/2015/01/let-us-hack-our-cars/ banning everything, like with #drm (computers vs. people)		Jan 24 11:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.wired.com \| WTF! It Should Not Be Illegal to Hack Your Own Car's Computer \| WIRED [ http://ur1.ca/jiy0q ]		Jan 24 11:20
msb_	Genesis II was definitely Gene -- a great movie!	Jan 24 11:21
msb_	Mariette Hartley - a mutant with two navels.	Jan 24 11:22
cubexyz	yes, I think I remember that part :)	Jan 24 11:22
msb_	Much of the world ruled by the Tyranians.	Jan 24 11:22
msb_	Dressed in furs, sitting on stone thrones underground.	Jan 24 11:23
msb_	Ted Cassidy was in it.	Jan 24 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Zenwalk and Chakra Reviews, Another 32-Bit	Jan 24 11:39
TweetTuxMachines	Voice http://t.co/sij8v4j3ek	Jan 24 11:39
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 24 11:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Zenwalk and Chakra Reviews, Another 32-Bit Voice \| Tux Machines		Jan 24 11:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Oracle Goes After Cisco UCS, with the 'Whole	Jan 24 11:39
TweetTuxMachines	Megillah' http://t.co/SwD6johVKY	Jan 24 11:39
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 24 11:39
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel Has A Few More Graphics Changes For The	Jan 24 11:39
TweetTuxMachines	Linux 3.20 Kernel http://t.co/hKrJ2d6ljg	Jan 24 11:39
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jan 24 11:39
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/00pii/status/558963539923468289	Jan 24 12:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@00pii: @schestowitz I'm sorry, but Europe grew too disgruntled in USA tech. I am an European living in USA and have a startup here. 1/4		Jan 24 12:26
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/00pii/status/558964116598304768	Jan 24 12:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@00pii: @schestowitz I talked with a few European orgs to implement and support a decentralized advertising platform - my startup, 0PII 2/4		Jan 24 12:28
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/00pii/status/558964947527684096	Jan 24 12:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@00pii: @schestowitz Although they understood well their benefits if the solution would succeed, most could not move beyond cause I am USA based 3/4		Jan 24 12:30
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5475781	Jan 24 12:40
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schestowitz	"I hope Google to disappear soon!"	Jan 24 12:40
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Vadgama_/status/558968841406255104	Jan 24 12:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Vadgama_: @schestowitz So what you are saying is King #Salman is the same shit as the previous shit. So the House of Saud shit from the same asshole		Jan 24 12:47
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satipera	i came back to read techrights for the first time in a while, always supported tr but got out of the habbit for some reason. i read some of the news stories for the 23/1/14 and was struck by how hugely us centric in particular the political stories are. this is a problem	Jan 24 12:53
schestowitz	"Here is some information about the neglected Article 4a of the European Patent Convention which might be of interest."	Jan 24 13:01
schestowitz	satipera: which political?	Jan 24 13:01
schestowitz	bipartisan?	Jan 24 13:01
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schestowitz	"Concerning the efforts to shift public opinion to which you refer, we wanted to submit a few comments about the Petition calling for an independent investigation of Topic's appointment which was submitted to the European Parliament in December last year by a Croatian NGO Juris Protecta."	Jan 24 13:10
satipera	from leftovers down it is just the sheer number of us based stories. although the us is an important country it is a small part of the world. i would like to see a better balance of stories from around the planet	Jan 24 13:10
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MinceR	geekings	Jan 24 13:37
MinceR	yeah, it's much easier to get informed about news in the usa than anywhere else in general	Jan 24 13:37
MinceR	especially in english :>	Jan 24 13:38
schestowitz	"For the moment we don't know whether or not the petition 2848/2013 will ever be the agenda again as the agenda for the meeting on 11 November has not been published yet."	Jan 24 13:41
schestowitz	satipera: english-speaking articles	Jan 24 13:41
schestowitz	Show me which sites cover in English corruption in China, Russia, etc.	Jan 24 13:41
satipera	this took about 2 minutes to find, put china or russia in the search box. my point is that other sources are available and could be worked into your news	Jan 24 13:56
satipera	http://www.transparency.org/search	Jan 24 13:57
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5476017	Jan 24 16:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://twitter.com/johnbayne8/status/558950702886977537		Jan 24 16:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@johnbayne8: Woman receives 90 lashes in Saudi for being raped. In the UK flags were at half mast for their dead king. WTF!!!! http://t.co/WvI0heSbZf		Jan 24 16:15
schestowitz	"so sick..."	Jan 24 16:15
msb_	I think that when Eric Schmidt has destroyed the Internet, and has everybody muttering into their cellphones, microwaves, and toasters, that none of those things is going to tell them when the US or Israel has murdered for profit another city full of people.	Jan 24 16:20
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5476705	Jan 24 16:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #sony not cracked because of any group of crackers or a nation. As confirmed by reports, Sony got compromised through #microsoft #windows		Jan 24 16:20
schestowitz	"well, we've all been there"	Jan 24 16:20
schestowitz	I used Windows 98... last one	Jan 24 16:21
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schestowitz	<li><h5><a href="http://www.blackagendareport.com/node/14633" rel="nofollow">Freedom Rider: Jeffrey Sterling: A Black Man and the CIA</a></h5>	Jan 24 17:23
schestowitz	<blockquote>“Everything changed for Sterling when he filed a discrimination complaint in 2000.”</blockquote></li>	Jan 24 17:23
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gde33	msb_: we could lobby for a news interupt	Jan 24 18:52
msb_	gde33: yes, the toaster and microwave could make them wait for their breakfast while they presented the story.	Jan 24 18:54
gde33	msb_: it certainly could	Jan 24 18:54
msb_	That would get their attention.	Jan 24 18:54
gde33	msb_: dont expect people to put effort into not knowing	Jan 24 18:55
gde33	msb_: I'm trying to figure out how to quantify employee/human influence into discrete units of logic	Jan 24 18:56
gde33	msb_: I think it is time to show that our world is ran by processes rather than by people	Jan 24 18:57
msb_	In what context?	Jan 24 18:57
gde33	all contexts	Jan 24 18:57
msb_	I think it's mostly run by psychopaths, whoe really are not human.	Jan 24 18:57
msb_	who	Jan 24 18:58
gde33	most people have this erronious concept in their head that the slave runs the farm	Jan 24 18:58
gde33	yes, that is the next level of logic	Jan 24 18:58
gde33	but i think you are still wrong about that	Jan 24 18:58
msb_	tell me	Jan 24 18:58
gde33	the board of directors is obligated by law to make money for investors	Jan 24 18:58
gde33	the investors may not make decisions	Jan 24 18:59
gde33	the employee is chained to his desk with stricktly defined instructions	Jan 24 18:59
gde33	if he fails to follow those accurately he will be replaced	Jan 24 18:59
msb_	of course	Jan 24 18:59
gde33	in government one does best not to have an opinion about anything	Jan 24 19:00
gde33	if one has 10 oppinions with 90% support one may have 0% left	Jan 24 19:00
gde33	msb_: see? the evil psychopaths dont really come into it	Jan 24 19:01
msb_	someone (or some things more accurately) made the decision to blow up the WTC, to invade afghanistan and iraq and libya and murder 2,000,000 people.	Jan 24 19:01
gde33	they get to chose investiments but those are motivated by earnings not by ideology	Jan 24 19:01
msb_	Those decisions were made by very evil psychopaths.	Jan 24 19:02
gde33	msb_: good example, lets use that one	Jan 24 19:02
gde33	it started long before with a plan	Jan 24 19:02
gde33	the plan used an attack on the wtc as an example cenario	Jan 24 19:02
gde33	it was extended	Jan 24 19:02
gde33	many people added little bits to the plan following their job description	Jan 24 19:04
msb_	Yes, it was lightly mentioned in the PNAC document.	Jan 24 19:04
gde33	everyone involved was expected to do the things they did	Jan 24 19:04
gde33	you could argue that a few people in that train of thought had the ability to stop it	Jan 24 19:05
gde33	but then they had to chose a different project	Jan 24 19:05
gde33	there is also the factor of conditioning	Jan 24 19:05
msb_	and everyone who gave the "go" order and ordered the missiles fired on those nations, and invaded those nations and murdered people was a monster Nazi psychopath.	Jan 24 19:06
gde33	all those propaganda riddled movies, news bulitins, books, speeches	Jan 24 19:06
gde33	ok good point	Jan 24 19:06
gde33	but the arms industry is still the biggest in the world	Jan 24 19:07
gde33	to sell weapons you need conflict	Jan 24 19:07
msb_	I'm not "blaming" the psychopaths as if they were human beings making decisions. They are mostly robotic.	Jan 24 19:07
gde33	if there are funds for conflict creation people can be hired to make one	Jan 24 19:07
gde33	yes, that is my point	Jan 24 19:08
gde33	the weapons manufacturer was already making weapons you see	Jan 24 19:08
gde33	the only thing missing was the sales pich	Jan 24 19:08
gde33	pitch	Jan 24 19:08
msb_	But the ones that actually pull the levers are good targets to be acted against. Tried, convicted, and imprisoned for life.	Jan 24 19:08
gde33	definetly	Jan 24 19:08
gde33	I'm more interested in the rest of our economy where the scripted "AI" is in full control	Jan 24 19:09
msb_	The whole thing started with the JCI religion thousands of years ago, and it's still wrecking our culture.	Jan 24 19:09
msb_	AI?	Jan 24 19:09
gde33	I think it is important to show this with data, scientifically if you like	Jan 24 19:10
gde33	in a way that can not be doubted	Jan 24 19:10
msb_	The "holy books" order people to murder everyone who doesn't worship the diety.	Jan 24 19:11
gde33	but still, in the war games industry the concept does still seem to work	Jan 24 19:11
gde33	msb_: if I put a chip in your head you would make a fine war president	Jan 24 19:11
msb_	The whole thing has to be seen from a system standpoint.	Jan 24 19:11
gde33	religion is a script	Jan 24 19:11
gde33	written in a scripting language	Jan 24 19:12
lenngray	While it _is_ the feduciary duty of the directors of companies to "do whatever" for either profit or shareholder value, and coming out of that, also the duty of all the progressively lower-level "employees", it's not a case of them being bound by "law". It's merely a "contract" to do that. And although staying, soullessly, in that "program" is what most people do for "a living", it doesn't make it other than	Jan 24 19:12
lenngray	psychopathic.	Jan 24 19:12
gde33	humans execute it without questioning it	Jan 24 19:12
gde33	they still have their own will but if it doesn't influence the process the process is self serving	Jan 24 19:12
gde33	my suppermarket employes 14 year olds	Jan 24 19:13
gde33	they have to get a diploma, pass many screening tests, then they get a minimum wage part time job	Jan 24 19:13
msb_	It's a complex, self-reinforcing system involving parents with psychopathic behavior abusing children emotionally and sometimes physically, which makes them ready to commit murder later.	Jan 24 19:13
gde33	yes	Jan 24 19:14
gde33	but our believes in banking are not different from religious believes	Jan 24 19:15
gde33	likewise there is the worshipping of jobs without any consideration for how useful the work is	Jan 24 19:15
gde33	but a religion is an almost static script	Jan 24 19:16
msb_	Simply put, I think psychopathy is a defense mechanism, the simplest possible: kill everyone near you and then no-one can hurt you.	Jan 24 19:16
gde33	those days are over it seems, companies are now able to generate scripts	Jan 24 19:16
gde33	msb_: definetly	Jan 24 19:16
lenngray	Looking at the level of corporate behavior with regard to "law", once a company has enough cash-flow to have lawyers on staff, it's the job of those lawyers to show (and insist) that anything the company did or does _was_ and _is_ "legal", so the corporate purpose of 99% of all modern corporations, "to do whatever is legal for the corporation to do", reduces, in the presence of those staff attorneys to "to do whatever	Jan 24 19:16
lenngray	for money".	Jan 24 19:16
gde33	if the group fails we revert back to self serving behavior	Jan 24 19:17
gde33	lenngray: exactly	Jan 24 19:17
gde33	they are stripped from their humanity in the job description	Jan 24 19:17
msb_	I think psychopaths -- mostly programmed, by parents and upbringing -- have learned to organize together.	Jan 24 19:18
msb_	So now the entire international-facing part of the govt and the congress and exec that controls it is one huge psychopath organization.	Jan 24 19:19
gde33	it isn't permanent, they just turn into psychos when the group fails to support them, eventually they go back to groups again	Jan 24 19:19
msb_	No, they turned into 'paths when their parents, teachers, other kids, etc. failed to treat them kindly.	Jan 24 19:20
gde33	oh the return to empathy may take 1000 years	Jan 24 19:21
msb_	That permanently installed fear and hate at the center of their personality.	Jan 24 19:21
gde33	indeed	Jan 24 19:21
lenngray	When you say it isn't permanent, I think it is. The groups are also psychopathic, supporting the same behavior of any potential individual who might "exit".	Jan 24 19:22
gde33	but they dont call it that strangely enough	Jan 24 19:22
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gde33	but what about the rest of us? surely half the flaw sits with all these self proclaimed loving and caring people?	Jan 24 19:23
msb_	No. To diminish cognitive dissonance they call it patriotism, protection, etc.	Jan 24 19:23
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msb_	Because we don't do anything about this?	Jan 24 19:23
gde33	msb_: just like the guy who should have stopped that war?	Jan 24 19:24
msb_	First we have to understand it all from a self-powered anti-life system.	Jan 24 19:25
gde33	with the mainstream views the way they are the politican can not stand for anything.	Jan 24 19:25
msb_	Then we have to figure out ways to clearly explain that to people.	Jan 24 19:25
gde33	yeah	Jan 24 19:25
msb_	Then we have to broadcast those explanations as widely as possible.	Jan 24 19:26
gde33	I think it would be good for someone "important" to publish a paper that conclusively shows that human ideals are of no concequence to the system we have.	Jan 24 19:26
msb_	Otherwise the zombies just keep lumbering on.	Jan 24 19:26
gde33	a conclusive formula that shows you that you are the main cause of all the things you dont like	Jan 24 19:27
msb_	There are many who have done that.	Jan 24 19:27
msb_	That's not a good formulation.	Jan 24 19:27
gde33	there are?	Jan 24 19:27
gde33	yes it is, if you want people to act on it.	Jan 24 19:27
msb_	but it's untrue.	Jan 24 19:28
gde33	why?	Jan 24 19:28
msb_	I didn't cause any of the murders.	Jan 24 19:28
gde33	you've failed to educate everyone	Jan 24 19:28
gde33	I didn't say it was a reasonable task	Jan 24 19:28
gde33	but if anyone is ever going to stop this thing it can only be you	Jan 24 19:29
msb_	not for lack of trying, and hopefully I'm learning to do it better	Jan 24 19:29
lenngray	The problem is the assumption that we're already in any kind of state where "let thine eye be single" is true.	Jan 24 19:29
lenngray	We're fragmented, and only part of a person causes the bad.	Jan 24 19:29
lenngray	And he gets to ignore that he did the bad, thinking "that's not ME".	Jan 24 19:30
gde33	our fragmentation seems the most important goal of the systems	Jan 24 19:30
lenngray	True	Jan 24 19:30
msb_	yep. It makes it much easier for the system to control us.	Jan 24 19:30
gde33	the housing prices also feed into lack of community	Jan 24 19:32
msb_	Most people are currently unable to think accurately. So we have to explain the situation to them in various ways and try to penetrate their active-ignorance.	Jan 24 19:32
msb_	The more they wake up, the better we can communicate with them.	Jan 24 19:33
gde33	so far the only plan I could think of was to ring their doorbell, ask them if they want to help, then if they say no set fire to the house	Jan 24 19:33
lenngray	8)	Jan 24 19:34
gde33	not really a workable concept	Jan 24 19:34
msb_	We have the advantage today of seeing physical systems with positive feedback -- PA systems, computer viruses, biological viruses.	Jan 24 19:35
gde33	maybe something with rubber heads on poles	Jan 24 19:35
msb_	Self-sustaining systems with harmful effects.	Jan 24 19:35
msb_	a very important thing to understand.	Jan 24 19:35
msb_	Before this era, people could only think that some invisible outside force was causing people to behave adversely =-- god, demons, miasma, etc.	Jan 24 19:37
msb_	Now we know that humans are susceptible to self-sustaining familial and cultural psychopathy.	Jan 24 19:38
msb_	It's not a good defense mechanism, but obviously we are wired for it, and it's pretty easy to trigger.	Jan 24 19:38
gde33	I wrote a news aggregator that takes some thousands of feeds just to keep track of what is going on	Jan 24 19:39
gde33	it tries to filter out popular propaganda	Jan 24 19:39
gde33	but how do we build a new community?	Jan 24 19:40
msb_	Probably different species of primates have different levels of triggering of the psychopathy. Bonobos are much nicer people than chimpanzees.	Jan 24 19:40
gde33	I tried some years ago to compile a list of nice organizations that everyone should sign up to	Jan 24 19:41
gde33	perhaps we can automate a subscription system for that?	Jan 24 19:41
gde33	they all do press releases and blog postings but we need one central location where all of their stuff is combined	Jan 24 19:42
msb_	We first have to write effective explanations of the self-sustaining familial and cultural psychopathy, describing the cultural and familial forces that implement it, and how it limits people's ability to think.	Jan 24 19:43
msb_	Until people understand that anti-human system that humans have gotten themselves into, there's no point in explaining anything else to them.	Jan 24 19:45
msb_	The self-sustaining psychopathy is the prime cause. It has to be understood first for a person to have any idea of what's going on in the world.	Jan 24 19:46
gde33	I think we have to work with what we have, they all have one good thought	Jan 24 19:46
gde33	wrapping the organizations doing good things into a politically correct opinion free wrapper might be a way to tap into that	Jan 24 19:47
msb_	Wilhelm Reich did some of the best work in understanding and revealing this.	Jan 24 19:47
gde33	yeah	Jan 24 19:47
msb_	I have a copy of a book called Reich for Beginners, from England I think, that explains his work well.	Jan 24 19:48
msb_	Before 2000 I made several calls to the publishers, but they seem to have evaporated.	Jan 24 19:48
msb_	So it would be good if I scanned it and made a pdf, and broadcast it openly.	Jan 24 19:49
msb_	If they get pissed I can just do it on BT only.	Jan 24 19:49
lenngray	The existence of actual good information falls prey to the success of the idea of the "sound bite".	Jan 24 19:49
lenngray	People can just spout off the top of their heads things like "we're a country of laws, not of people".	Jan 24 19:49
lenngray	And they _do_ just spout such things off the tops of their heads.	Jan 24 19:50
msb_	Well, that's a good thing to point out.	Jan 24 19:50
msb_	The self-sustaining psychopathy -- let's call it the Plague for short -- has many methods of fighting exposure -- many propaganda techniques, cutting off communication, etc.	Jan 24 19:52
msb_	We can list these, and properly attribute them to the Plague.	Jan 24 19:53
gde33	facinating, indeed the sound bite is the prime mover in dividing people	Jan 24 19:53
gde33	I declare "The War On The Sound Bite!"	Jan 24 19:54
gde33	let them debunk that with their 20 second effort	Jan 24 19:54
gde33	this was how far I got at the time http://blog.go-here.nl/7980	Jan 24 19:58
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msb_	gde33: Very good set of links in the middle of that page!	Jan 24 20:06
gde33	its crude but a start	Jan 24 20:07
gde33	I feel someone must combine all the projects into one easy to navigate website	Jan 24 20:07
gde33	the list is kinda old now, they've all existed for quite some time	Jan 24 20:08
gde33	some died or are gone but the rest is all quite established	Jan 24 20:09
msb_	but maybe all their different approaches will work with various different people.	Jan 24 20:09
msb_	so having so many is good	Jan 24 20:10
gde33	cant expect average netzen to make sense of all these things	Jan 24 20:10
gde33	the thing for them might be out there, unlikely they would find it	Jan 24 20:10
msb_	gde33: You could add David Korten and Stefan Verstappen to your page. There are links on mine - cosmicpenguin.com	Jan 24 20:13
msb_	Also Michael Parenti and sott.net	Jan 24 20:15
gde33	is verstappen running a project for this?	Jan 24 20:15
msb_	He has some good videos about psychopathy.	Jan 24 20:16
gde33	ideally it will be a list of organizations that do things, not sure what korten is doing here http://www.davidkorten.org/	Jan 24 20:16
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gde33	it looks lovely ofc	Jan 24 20:16
gde33	ah he has some links here to "get involved" http://www.davidkorten.org/how-to-get-involved	Jan 24 20:17
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msb_	two Verstappen links in my blue box near the top.	Jan 24 20:18
gde33	ill check those out later, looks interesting	Jan 24 20:19
gde33	but dont get me wrong, I'm not trying to make a repository of good ideas	Jan 24 20:19
gde33	I want to unite the greenpeace and kiva kind of organizations into one wrapper	Jan 24 20:19
msb_	That Korten video is great!	Jan 24 20:19
gde33	things that involve actual action not simply ideas, efforts to sell books or magazines	Jan 24 20:20
gde33	if I would include those the list would be in the thousands	Jan 24 20:20
msb_	Maybe the dozens.	Jan 24 20:20
msb_	But people are so badly indoctrinated that they need a lot of good stuff to read .	Jan 24 20:21
gde33	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pictures_of_Starving_Children_Sell_Records	Jan 24 20:21
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msb_	So they can get unscrewed well enough to be motivated to do somethiing, and choose the right thing.	Jan 24 20:22
msb_	Well anyhow, I'm gonna steal stuff from _your_ website!	Jan 24 20:22
gde33	A library is so hard to make	Jan 24 20:22
gde33	haha, good luck!	Jan 24 20:23
msb_	Nah, not with html.	Jan 24 20:23
msb_	Just make some categories, put those in pastel-colored boxes. Download my html to see how, if you need to.	Jan 24 20:25
msb_	Hey, you already have Verstappen in Conspiracy. Or did you just put that in.	Jan 24 20:25
gde33	hehe	Jan 24 20:26
gde33	I stopped knowing what is onthere at post 4000 or so	Jan 24 20:26
msb_	I like the politics and finance video a little better.	Jan 24 20:27
msb_	scientists is misspelled at the bottom of the conspiracy page	Jan 24 20:27
gde33	I wish I could easily make all the youtube videos into torrents	Jan 24 20:27
msb_	Why?	Jan 24 20:28
gde33	because everythign older than 5 years has a 30% chance to be gone	Jan 24 20:28
gde33	ALL google videos are gone	Jan 24 20:28
gde33	it would be nice to have a torrent link under each video	Jan 24 20:29
gde33	google does elaborate censorship	Jan 24 20:29
msb_	I just copy them using youtube-dl http://youtube-dl.org/ and point to them. Then BT them if they disappear and you can't get them back up.	Jan 24 20:29
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gde33	they avoid contagious areas to save money	Jan 24 20:29
gde33	takes a lot of manual labor to do that :/	Jan 24 20:30
gde33	does this link work? http://www.idealist.org/search/v2/?qs=QlpoOTFBWSZTWVbWDMkAAD8fgAMAMAIBAAAAvuffoCAAciI0AAAGgaJlPKZTeo0meiRsbLANxov0zNteAk4QDGZ0DAuucqC2eeRbeAT3p5VZFIBMzjgboDlr3GT-GlBqoM3t5Cf61gWBKSSqEYD-eISBjsTgGaiufxdyRThQkFbWDMk=	Jan 24 20:32
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msb_	Yes, but this one works better! http://www.idealist.org/search/v2/?search_type=org	Jan 24 20:35
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msb_	gde33: "contagious areas"?	Jan 24 20:36
msb_	do you mean contentious?	Jan 24 20:36
gde33	anything involving conflict basically	Jan 24 20:36
msb_	yup, then contentious	Jan 24 20:37
gde33	or stigma	Jan 24 20:37
gde33	it is hard to capture it in a few words	Jan 24 20:37
gde33	anything that may involve extra work or legal implications	Jan 24 20:38
gde33	if you ask for a site to be banned because of bla bla they will do so	Jan 24 20:38
gde33	if you ask for your site to be unbanned they will do that to if bla bla doesnt make much sense	Jan 24 20:38
gde33	the corporate interests are always right	Jan 24 20:39
msb_	Well you can always put the videos on your site. They can't take them off that way.	Jan 24 20:39
gde33	they can still remove you from the search index	Jan 24 20:39
gde33	talk about automated processes ruling people... hah...	Jan 24 20:40
msb_	Yeah, one shitpig destroyed Usenet for file-sharing by automatically issuing takedowns for everything.	Jan 24 20:41
gde33	I blame ignorant software developers who cant escape the info shilling	Jan 24 20:44
gde33	hah ideallist is already doing everything I thought of and more	Jan 24 20:49
msb_	The 94000 orgs?	Jan 24 20:53
gde33	http://www.idealist.org/info/About/Funding	Jan 24 20:53
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gde33	http://www.idealist.org/info/About/History	Jan 24 20:54
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schestowitz	> http://www.pcworld.com/article/2873561/google-just-made-it-easier-to-run-linux-on-your-chromebook.html	Jan 24 23:17
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schestowitz	>	Jan 24 23:17
schestowitz	> promoting the theme that Chrome is somehow not linux, another reason to	Jan 24 23:17
schestowitz	> clarify with GNU/Linux vs Android/Linux and Chrome/Linux.	Jan 24 23:17
schestowitz	yes, I have already rebutted this article over this flaw. Rianne found it.	Jan 24 23:17
cubexyz	Chrome OS is more of a thin client	Jan 24 23:23
cubexyz	haven't really used it much though	Jan 24 23:24
msb_	cubexyz: Hi! did you get my mail?	Jan 24 23:25
cubexyz	checking	Jan 24 23:26
cubexyz	I think Chrome OS does use a patched Linux kernel, so Chrome/Linux seems a reasonable description	Jan 24 23:26
cubexyz	msb_, got it	Jan 24 23:27
msb_	great!	Jan 24 23:27
cubexyz	should I throttle or...?	Jan 24 23:28
MinceR	i thought it also used GNU	Jan 24 23:28
msb_	cubexyz: nope -- let 'er rip.	Jan 24 23:28
cubexyz	msb_, ok :)	Jan 24 23:28
cubexyz	MinceR, yes I believe that's right	Jan 24 23:30
cubexyz	I think there's some proprietary stuff in there too	Jan 24 23:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Armello and Perfect Golf in EA on Steam	Jan 24 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/8Dguli9F7k (www.tuxarena.com)	Jan 24 23:31
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cubexyz	and naturally Stallman doesn't approve of it	Jan 24 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ninja Blocks prepares to begin shipping,	Jan 24 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	announces major Ubuntu IoT deal	Jan 24 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/IiXYVjU4Fx	Jan 24 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	(www.startupsmart.com.au)	Jan 24 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jj4cd	Jan 24 23:31
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MinceR	well yes, chrome is proprietary	Jan 24 23:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Netrunner 14.1 – Main Edition (Frontier)	Jan 24 23:31
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jj4cf	Jan 24 23:31
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cubexyz	you want Chromium OS if you want all the source	Jan 24 23:32
cubexyz	how many chromebooks do you figure were sold? anyone have numbers?	Jan 24 23:35
cubexyz	5.2 million units in 2014	Jan 24 23:37
MinceR	dunno, but they did make the news at least twice for being top 10 or something on amazon	Jan 24 23:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Improving KDE's support for Korean (and other	Jan 18 04:36
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amarsh04	I hate it when the mozc input method breaks in strange and wondrous ways e.g. with libreoffice	Jan 18 07:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNU LibreJS 6.0.8 released	Jan 18 07:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linus Torvalds and the cults of niceness and	Jan 18 07:10
TweetTuxMachines	diversity http://t.co/qp87wp8Ubc	Jan 18 07:10
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MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/usftZ.png	Jan 18 12:00
XFaCE	MinceR: +1	Jan 18 12:06
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/marialuis91/status/556875158464770049	Jan 18 14:43
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schestowitz	hypocrite	Jan 18 14:43
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XFaCE	MinceR: +2	Jan 18 15:19
MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/hboSdvul.jpg	Jan 18 15:45
XFaCE	+3	Jan 18 16:04
XFaCE	MinceR: "Well, the reason that Lennart gets it where Torvalds and Theo don't, is that while they're all assholes, Torvalds goes out of his way to ensure that people don't break stuff, and Theo takes other people's broken stuff, cleans it up and gives us a clean fixed version. Meanwhile Lennart makes all sorts of disruptive changes, this isn't a value statement on whether the changes are good or bad, but that he causes all sorts of changes in how peopl	Jan 18 16:04
XFaCE	e interact with their systems which naturally ruffles a lot of feathers, it doesn't help that early versions of his software are often buggy and can cause bad interactions which break things (see pulse exposing all sorts of ALSA bugs)."	Jan 18 16:04
MinceR	Intolerant Regent P breaks other people's stuff for no reason and expects them to clean up his mess	Jan 18 16:07
MinceR	http://boingboing.net/2010/01/17/britains-business-se.html?utm_source=moreatbb&utm_medium=nextpost&utm_campaign=nextpostthumbnails	Jan 18 16:10
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MinceR	oh, it's old, never mind	Jan 18 16:11
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MinceR	http://media.slated.org/albums/userpics/10002/poettering-linux.png	Jan 18 16:47
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ktheur/status/556929590246244353?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=cbd885e6055d1063ba628030f184becb66227a8c&al=1&iid=33e0b4d631014f5681d57773af86a498&autoactions=1421617336&uid=417341853&nid=4+1267	Jan 18 18:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ktheur: @tuxmachines @holarse @prolinux_de is there any practical and stable solution to make 'let's play videos' for youtube/twitch for (x)ubuntu?		Jan 18 18:04
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ktheur/status/556929590246244353?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=cbd885e6055d1063ba628030f184becb66227a8c&al=1&iid=33e0b4d631014f5681d57773af86a498&autoactions=1421617336&uid=417341853&nid=4+1267	Jan 18 18:04
DaemonFC	I actually did have Windows Me on one of my computers.	Jan 18 18:17
DaemonFC	From the way people were bitching about it, I must have had the only copy that worked.	Jan 18 18:17
DaemonFC	Major improvement over Windows 98. I believe I got the Windows Me disc for $20. Microsoft had a promo upgrade box that worked for anyone who had Windows 98.	Jan 18 18:18
DaemonFC	If you were still on Windows 95, you had to buy the regular upgrade box though.	Jan 18 18:18
DaemonFC	Well, some badly written apps apparently stopped working, and I think that was mainly due to Windows File Protection.	Jan 18 18:19
DaemonFC	It was a solution for dll hell, where lots of programs simply overwrote the Windows copy of a dll with their own. It had been a major source of stability problems with Windows 9x. Windows Me lets the file get overwritten and then immediately copies back over it with the Windows version of the file.	Jan 18 18:20
DaemonFC	So instead of allowing Windows to be damaged, maybe there's a few programs that won't work quite right.	Jan 18 18:21
MinceR	winblows comes damaged out of the box	Jan 18 18:30
MinceR	gn	Jan 18 18:33
cubexyz	it's really mind pollution	Jan 18 19:31
cubexyz	and it's mostly the fault of educational institutions	Jan 18 19:31
cubexyz	instead of thinking about operating systems and concepts people have been trained to think in specifics	Jan 18 19:32
cubexyz	e.g. instead of thinking "I need a software presentation program" people think "I need PowerPoint"	Jan 18 19:33
cubexyz	instead of thinking "I need a word processor" they think "I need Word"	Jan 18 19:34
cubexyz	this just wasn't the case in the early 1990s and earlier	Jan 18 19:35
cubexyz	now the most egregious example of this is how people can't go from one operating system to another without major difficulty	Jan 18 19:36
TweetTuxMachines	@ktheur @tuxmachines @holarse @prolinux_de is there any	Jan 18 20:52
TweetTuxMachines	practical and stable solution to make 'let's	Jan 18 20:52
TweetTuxMachines	play videos' for youtube/twitch for (x)ubuntu?	Jan 18 20:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NVIDIA Releases Massive Stable Driver, Brings	Jan 18 21:10
TweetTuxMachines	Support for Latest Kernels and	Jan 18 21:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The TrackingPoint 338TP, the Linux Rifle that's	Jan 18 21:10
TweetTuxMachines	accurate up to a mile http://t.co/v2llOzwqdu	Jan 18 21:10
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 18 21:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Mint 18 Could Adopt Systemd	Jan 18 21:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Developers Close GTK+ Bug in Ubuntu That	Jan 19 00:54
TweetTuxMachines	Allowed Users to Bypass the Lock Screen	Jan 19 00:54
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/dGTAXcCccY (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 00:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jgxsh	Jan 19 00:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Adjusting PulseAudio to play .wav files without	Jan 19 00:55
TweetTuxMachines	distortion http://t.co/JlaAFG7njZ	Jan 19 00:55
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 00:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jgxsj	Jan 19 00:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines On Linus Torvalds and communities	Jan 19 04:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/MwFoK2k5wC (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 04:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh07j	Jan 19 04:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Myth-Busting Google's Android Problem	Jan 19 04:25
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/C1dxst8sI8 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 04:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh07m	Jan 19 04:25
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schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/5452242	Jan 19 06:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #joindiaspora has been dysfunctional for almost 2 days now and there's no word on when they even plan to rectify the issue.		Jan 19 06:51
schestowitz	"I'm one of those affected :("	Jan 19 06:51
schestowitz	These things can result in many users never returning, as identica found out after a month of technical issues following a poorly-executed upgrade	Jan 19 06:52
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MinceR	geekings	Jan 19 07:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Leftovers http://t.co/F7jrBmJZUH	Jan 19 07:53
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 07:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh1vq	Jan 19 07:53
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Adobe's Photoshop Ditched for Krita at French	Jan 19 07:53
TweetTuxMachines	University Due to Lack of Support	Jan 19 07:53
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/VmaDq4QiTM (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 07:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh1vr	Jan 19 07:53
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XFaCE	MinceR: Hello to brazil	Jan 19 09:30
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MinceR	brazil?	Jan 19 09:34
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XFaCE	MinceR: or wherever you live	Jan 19 09:40
MinceR	brazil would be better	Jan 19 09:40
MinceR	i live in orbanistan	Jan 19 09:40
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Sosumi	http://www.macrumors.com/2015/01/19/martin-luther-king-jr-apple-home-page/	Jan 19 11:48
Sosumi	lol, crapple honoring MLK	Jan 19 11:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.macrumors.com \| Apple Honors Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. on Its Home Page - Mac Rumors [ http://ur1.ca/jh3lu ]		Jan 19 11:48
Sosumi	the company that basically has confined your computing to walled garden	Jan 19 11:48
Sosumi	both hardware and software wise	Jan 19 11:48
sebsebseb	Sosumi: how so? :d	Jan 19 12:13
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sebsebseb	How's it going jono ?	Jan 19 13:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines PLANNING FOR FEDORA WORKSTATION 22	Jan 19 16:08
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ldcx9BZe3z (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 16:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh5mj	Jan 19 16:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Will Google Glass 2.0 be the next iPod?	Jan 19 16:08
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/614MoAND4a (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 16:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh5mn	Jan 19 16:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft Can’t Sell Laptops or Phones	Jan 19 17:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/GNRuxb2drK (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 17:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh69k	Jan 19 17:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Microsoft Can’t Sell Laptops or Phones \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 17:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What’s new in SUSE LINUX 12?	Jan 19 17:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/XPBB5boFLB (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 17:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh69n	Jan 19 17:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| What’s new in SUSE LINUX 12? \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 17:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Security problems need to be made public: Linus	Jan 19 17:32
TweetTuxMachines	Torvalds http://t.co/DcFABB6C6F	Jan 19 17:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 17:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh69o	Jan 19 17:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 5 favorite Raspberry Pi and Arduino projects	Jan 19 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/65FcbmK9Ay (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh6od	Jan 19 18:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 5 favorite Raspberry Pi and Arduino projects \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Cinnamon 2.6 to Get Systemd Support	Jan 19 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/E8Na3EjD3L (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh6oe	Jan 19 18:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Analysis Of The Top 10 Linux Distributions Of	Jan 19 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	2014 http://t.co/dW8gxvhZEA	Jan 19 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh6of	Jan 19 18:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Analysis Of The Top 10 Linux Distributions Of 2014 \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 18:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Could Be the First OS on Planet Mars	Jan 19 18:52
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jdegjDn6gc (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 18:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh6tm	Jan 19 18:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Could Be the First OS on Planet Mars \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 18:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines `ALBERT`: A FAST, LIGHTWEIGHT QUICK LAUNCHER	Jan 19 18:52
TweetTuxMachines	FOR LINUX http://t.co/CtfE263dfR	Jan 19 18:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 18:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh6tp	Jan 19 18:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| `ALBERT`: A FAST, LIGHTWEIGHT QUICK LAUNCHER FOR LINUX \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 18:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Xfce 0.9.0 Pre1 Shows How Open Source	Jan 19 18:52
TweetTuxMachines	Collaboration Works http://t.co/90Eg1vnt02	Jan 19 18:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 18:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh6tq	Jan 19 18:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Manjaro Xfce 0.9.0 Pre1 Shows How Open Source Collaboration Works \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 18:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Unzip Vulnerability Closed in Ubuntu OSes	Jan 19 20:17
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/GrkCtfeUwa (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 20:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh7f2	Jan 19 20:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Unzip Vulnerability Closed in Ubuntu OSes \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 20:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Adobe Opens Lightroom's Door to Android	Jan 19 20:17
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Mkg4WMCN9V (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 20:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh7f4	Jan 19 20:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Adobe Opens Lightroom's Door to Android \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 20:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BeagleBone SBC beefs up Lego Mindstorms EV3	Jan 19 23:43
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/fhE5NJIZJJ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 23:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh8y8	Jan 19 23:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| BeagleBone SBC beefs up Lego Mindstorms EV3 \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 23:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft Can’t Sell Laptops or Phones	Jan 19 23:58
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by http://t.co/GNRuxb2drK (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 23:58
TweetTuxMachines	@speedyx2000	Jan 19 23:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh91n	Jan 19 23:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Microsoft Can’t Sell Laptops or Phones \| Tux Machines		Jan 19 23:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Security problems need to be made public: Linus	Jan 19 23:58
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Torvalds http://t.co/DcFABB6C6F	Jan 19 23:58
TweetTuxMachines	@speedyx2000 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 19 23:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jh91p	Jan 19 23:58
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MinceR	http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/01/17/over-80-percent-of-americans-support-mandatory-labels-on-foods-containing-dna/	Jan 20 01:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com \| Over 80 percent of Americans support “mandatory labels on foods containing DNA” - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/jgseb ]		Jan 20 01:37
DaemonFC	MinceR, I am the 20%!	Jan 20 03:16
DaemonFC	:D	Jan 20 03:16
DaemonFC	Smart smart smart. Smart smart smart smart smart..	Jan 20 03:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Analysis Of The Top 10 Linux Distributions Of	Jan 20 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by 2014 http://t.co/dW8gxvhZEA	Jan 20 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	@speedyx2000 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhah3	Jan 20 03:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Analysis Of The Top 10 Linux Distributions Of 2014 \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BeagleBone SBC beefs up Lego Mindstorms EV3	Jan 20 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Dlqx3Tgqlw (linuxgizmos.com)	Jan 20 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhah4	Jan 20 03:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| BeagleBone SBC beefs up Lego Mindstorms EV3		Jan 20 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Unzip Vulnerability Closed in Ubuntu OSes	Jan 20 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/AL98W9VJFp (linux.softpedia.com)	Jan 20 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhah9	Jan 20 03:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Unzip Vulnerability Closed in Ubuntu OSes - Softpedia		Jan 20 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Xfce 0.9.0 Pre1 Shows How Open Source	Jan 20 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	Collaboration Works http://t.co/LJGSZApwRL	Jan 20 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jan 20 03:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Manjaro Xfce 0.9.0 Pre1 Shows How Open Source Collaboration Works - Softpedia		Jan 20 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhaha	Jan 20 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Could Be the First OS on Planet Mars	Jan 20 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/dxji1icAkE (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 20 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhahb	Jan 20 03:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Could Be the First OS on Planet Mars - Softpedia		Jan 20 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ALBERT: A FAST, LIGHTWEIGHT QUICK LAUNCHER FOR	Jan 20 03:34
TweetTuxMachines	LINUX http://t.co/YsQJRZ2dRA (www.webupd8.org)	Jan 20 03:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhahi	Jan 20 03:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.webupd8.org \| `Albert`: A Fast, Lightweight Quick Launcher For Linux ~ Web Upd8: Ubuntu / Linux blog		Jan 20 03:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 5 favorite Raspberry Pi and Arduino projects	Jan 20 03:34
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/NweIMH2H7l (opensource.com)	Jan 20 03:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhahj	Jan 20 03:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| Five open hardware projects \| Opensource.com		Jan 20 03:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Analysis Of The Top 10 Linux Distributions Of	Jan 20 03:34
TweetTuxMachines	2014 http://t.co/mt91O7d1AW	Jan 20 03:34
TweetTuxMachines	(www.everydaylinuxuser.com)	Jan 20 03:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.everydaylinuxuser.com \| Analysis Of The Top 10 Linux Distributions Of 2014 « Everyday Linux User		Jan 20 03:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhahk	Jan 20 03:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What’s new in SUSE LINUX 12?	Jan 20 03:34
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/0AwflYp4EC (www.networkworld.com)	Jan 20 03:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhahn	Jan 20 03:34
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Security problems need to be made public: Linus	Jan 20 03:34
TweetTuxMachines	Torvalds http://t.co/K30yuiIt6r (www.zdnet.com)	Jan 20 03:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhaho	Jan 20 03:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Security problems need to be made public: Linus Torvalds \| ZDNet		Jan 20 03:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Will Google Glass 2.0 be the next iPod?	Jan 20 03:34
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/nQp9ENYeZL (jimlynch.com)	Jan 20 03:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhahp	Jan 20 03:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jimlynch.com \| Will Google Glass 2.0 be the next iPod? – Jim Lynch		Jan 20 03:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft Can’t Sell Laptops or Phones	Jan 20 03:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/BPYf3GhSeC (fossforce.com)	Jan 20 03:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhajs	Jan 20 03:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com \| Microsoft Can't Sell Laptops or Phones \| FOSS Force		Jan 20 03:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines PLANNING FOR FEDORA WORKSTATION 22	Jan 20 03:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jKbDcvl1fC (blogs.gnome.org)	Jan 20 03:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhajt	Jan 20 03:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.gnome.org \| Planning for Fedora Workstation 22 \| Christian Schaller		Jan 20 03:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ideal Backups with zbackup	Jan 20 03:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/QalldRHw9A (www.linuxjournal.com)	Jan 20 03:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhaju	Jan 20 03:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxjournal.com \| Ideal Backups with zbackup \| Linux Journal		Jan 20 03:44
*TweetTuxMachines @andreaschriscy favourited '5 favorite Raspberry Pi and Arduino projects https://t.co/NweIMH2H7l'		Jan 20 03:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| Five open hardware projects \| Opensource.com		Jan 20 03:45
*TweetTuxMachines @andreaschriscy favourited 'BeagleBone SBC beefs up Lego Mindstorms EV3 http://t.co/Dlqx3Tgqlw'		Jan 20 03:47
*TweetTuxMachines @andreaschriscy favourited 'BeagleBone SBC beefs up Lego Mindstorms EV3 http://t.co/fhE5NJIZJJ'		Jan 20 03:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| BeagleBone SBC beefs up Lego Mindstorms EV3 \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 03:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines PhotoQt Image Viewer Reached 1.2, Dozens Added	Jan 20 04:25
TweetTuxMachines	Features http://t.co/8Vlt1bfcaC	Jan 20 04:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxarena.com)	Jan 20 04:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxarena.com \| PhotoQt Image Viewer Reached 1.2, Dozens Added Features \| TuxArena		Jan 20 04:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhau0	Jan 20 04:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Keep your Diary on Linux with RedNoteBook	Jan 20 04:25
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/SDrIKfzpHU (linuxaria.com)	Jan 20 04:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhau1	Jan 20 04:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxaria.com \| » Linuxaria – Everything about GNU/Linux and Open source Keep your Diary on Linux with RedNoteBook		Jan 20 04:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung set to sell 30 Million Tizen TVs in	Jan 20 04:26
TweetTuxMachines	2015 http://t.co/7V3hvfIpec	Jan 20 04:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tizenexperts.com)	Jan 20 04:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com \| Samsung set to sell 30 Million Tizen TVs in 2015 - Tizen Experts		Jan 20 04:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhau2	Jan 20 04:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Bodhi Linux 3.0.0 RC2 Reloaded	Jan 20 04:30
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/OF1BFBeMQ3	Jan 20 04:30
TweetTuxMachines	(jeffhoogland.blogspot.co.uk)	Jan 20 04:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jeffhoogland.blogspot.co.uk \| Thoughts on Technology: Bodhi Linux 3.0.0 RC2 Reloaded		Jan 20 04:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhave	Jan 20 04:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Could Be the First OS on Planet Mars	Jan 20 04:30
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/dxji1icAkE (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 20 04:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhavf	Jan 20 04:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Could Be the First OS on Planet Mars - Softpedia		Jan 20 04:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora Infrastructure DB dumps	Jan 20 04:30
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/WiAZmtIFXj (www.scrye.com)	Jan 20 04:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhavh	Jan 20 04:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.scrye.com \| Kevin's musings » Fedora Infrastructure DB dumps		Jan 20 04:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23 Likely To Pursue Wayland By Default	Jan 20 04:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/edSsIqGpAf (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 20 04:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhawu	Jan 20 04:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Fedora 23 Likely To Pursue Wayland By Default - Phoronix		Jan 20 04:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung set to sell 30 Million Tizen TVs in	Jan 20 04:35
TweetTuxMachines	2015 http://t.co/AF5K0jFsGW	Jan 20 04:35
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 04:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhaww	Jan 20 04:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Samsung set to sell 30 Million Tizen TVs in 2015 \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 04:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Bodhi Founder Returning as Ubuntu Heads to Mars	Jan 20 04:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ThxLBfklYL (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 04:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhawy	Jan 20 04:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Bodhi Founder Returning as Ubuntu Heads to Mars \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 04:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23 Likely To Pursue Wayland By Default	Jan 20 04:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/dU9jY5c6no (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 04:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhb2p	Jan 20 04:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Fedora 23 Likely To Pursue Wayland By Default \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 04:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Backup files on Linux with FreeFileSync	Jan 20 04:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/peY5gMFpf3 (linuxaria.com)	Jan 20 04:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhb2q	Jan 20 04:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxaria.com \| » Linuxaria – Everything about GNU/Linux and Open source Backup files on Linux with FreeFileSync		Jan 20 04:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Makulu Cinnamon 2.0 is Live !	Jan 20 04:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/yfZ32MeKZR (makululinux.com)	Jan 20 04:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhb2s	Jan 20 04:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-makululinux.com \| Makulu Cinnamon 2.0 is Live ! \| MakuluLinux		Jan 20 04:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro 0.8.11 - The lonely goatherd	Jan 20 04:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/lYbSwjGMBE (www.dedoimedo.com)	Jan 20 04:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhb2t	Jan 20 04:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dedoimedo.com \| Manjaro 0.8.11 - The lonely goatherd		Jan 20 04:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A Proposal To Go 64-bit Only With Fedora 23	Jan 20 05:18
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ivQGNmlJ3t (www.phoronix.com) a	Jan 20 05:18
TweetTuxMachines	rather terrible idea, see comments	Jan 20 05:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| A Proposal To Go 64-bit Only With Fedora 23 - Phoronix		Jan 20 05:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhb83	Jan 20 05:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Mint 17.1 "Rebecca" KDE Review: The Best	Jan 20 05:18
TweetTuxMachines	KDE spin I have used! http://t.co/4B13xFQFgK	Jan 20 05:18
TweetTuxMachines	(mylinuxexplore.blogspot.co.uk)	Jan 20 05:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mylinuxexplore.blogspot.co.uk \| Linuxed - Exploring Linux distros: Linux Mint 17.1 "Rebecca" KDE Review: The Best KDE spin I have used!		Jan 20 05:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhb84	Jan 20 05:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Many Linux Desktop 2D Benchmarks Of NVIDIA vs.	Jan 20 05:19
TweetTuxMachines	AMD Drivers http://t.co/PKxgQR0iVm	Jan 20 05:19
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jan 20 05:19
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhb85	Jan 20 05:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Many Linux Desktop 2D Benchmarks Of NVIDIA vs. AMD Drivers - Phoronix		Jan 20 05:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Makulu Cinnamon 2.0 is Live !	Jan 20 05:19
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/dmHQ1BeCVw (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 05:19
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhb89	Jan 20 05:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Makulu Cinnamon 2.0 is Live ! \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 05:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro 0.8.11 - The lonely goatherd	Jan 20 05:19
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/0q2MNChxOX (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 05:19
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhb8c	Jan 20 05:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Manjaro 0.8.11 - The lonely goatherd \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 05:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A Proposal To Go 64-bit Only With Fedora 23	Jan 20 05:19
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ZSc1fSlV8b (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 05:19
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhb8d	Jan 20 05:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| A Proposal To Go 64-bit Only With Fedora 23 \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 05:19
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5456127	Jan 20 06:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Ubuntu Could Be the First OS on Planet Mars http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-Could-Be-the-First-OS-on-MARS-470491.shtml #ubuntu #gnu #linux		Jan 20 06:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Could Be the First OS on Planet Mars - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/jhbj2 ]		Jan 20 06:14
schestowitz	"To infinity and beyond..."	Jan 20 06:14
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bbyfield/status/556944556441088000	Jan 20 06:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bbyfield: You could tell the effort was like pulling teeth, but #techrights actually grudgingly approved of something I wrote. Now, I'm worried.		Jan 20 06:16
schestowitz	Bruce, I link to many of your articles (almost all) and agree with most. I'm surprised you didn't notice.	Jan 20 06:16
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/556597518327640065	Jan 20 06:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gnutelephony: http://t.co/sgBJ5IqHKU no, never... my response unchanged http://t.co/t66J7QQqFD @mosayk28 @ioerror @NYCJulieNYC @brendanorrell @leashless		Jan 20 06:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blogs.wsj.com \| Obama Sides with Cameron in Encryption Fight - Digits - WSJ		Jan 20 06:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| GNU Telephony Addresses President Obama \| Techrights		Jan 20 06:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Mint 17.1 "Rebecca" KDE Review: The Best	Jan 20 06:26
TweetTuxMachines	KDE spin I have used! http://t.co/UCWWOW2qaP	Jan 20 06:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 06:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhblo	Jan 20 06:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Many Linux Desktop 2D Benchmarks Of NVIDIA vs.	Jan 20 06:26
TweetTuxMachines	AMD Drivers http://t.co/UoKYwjpbWk	Jan 20 06:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 06:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhblq	Jan 20 06:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Many Linux Desktop 2D Benchmarks Of NVIDIA vs. AMD Drivers \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 06:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNU Leftovers http://t.co/adRGVKUeAn	Jan 20 06:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 06:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhblr	Jan 20 06:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GNU Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 06:27
schestowitz	"Commenting regularly on news in relation to the “unitary patent package” and the remarkable things taking place in this context (cf. my “archive” on http://www.stjerna.de/unitary_patent.htm; some events are not too different from what you know from the EPO..), I have today published on my website the attached article. Part of it addresses possible implications of the recent incidents at the EPO for the further implementation	Jan 20 06:46
schestowitz	of the “unitary patent”."	Jan 20 06:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stjerna.de \| Dr. Ingve Bjrn Stjerna, LL.M. \| "Unitary Patent"		Jan 20 06:46
schestowitz	"	Jan 20 07:01
schestowitz	If possible, use this version of the "request for rectification" which is slightly amended over the one sent earlier.	Jan 20 07:01
schestowitz	Apologies for any confusion caused.	Jan 20 07:01
schestowitz	"	Jan 20 07:01
schestowitz	"This Croatian "request for rectification" - use this version preferably"	Jan 20 07:09
schestowitz	"	Jan 20 07:09
schestowitz	Great article. We enjoyed reading it.	Jan 20 07:09
schestowitz	We attach a copy of a request for rectification which Vesna Stilin has submitted to the Croatian website 45lines.com operated by Zeljko Peratovic.	Jan 20 07:09
schestowitz	Our guess is that Peratovic is unlikely to publish this voluntarily.	Jan 20 07:09
schestowitz	But let's see what happens ...	Jan 20 07:09
schestowitz	"	Jan 20 07:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 20/1/2015: Linux 3.19 RC5, 30 Years of	Jan 20 08:10
TweetTuxMachines	FSF http://t.co/2hKCCtIxVW (techrights.org)	Jan 20 08:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhc6p	Jan 20 08:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 20/1/2015: Linux 3.19 RC5, 30 Years of FSF \| Techrights		Jan 20 08:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Shadow Mapping in Qt3D 2.0	Jan 20 08:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9iqJkjOckj (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 08:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhc6r	Jan 20 08:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Shadow Mapping in Qt3D 2.0 \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 08:10
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Chinedom/status/557515672847384577	Jan 20 08:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Chinedom: @Gon0S @schestowitz What would you say if these despicable Jihadists killed someone from your family but nobody knew & could stop it?		Jan 20 08:20
schestowitz	h https://twitter.com/Gon0S/status/557522005491449856ttps://twitter.com/Gon0S/status/557521540993286144	Jan 20 08:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Gon0S: @Chinedom @schestowitz lol, you're reacting on emotional basis. These new security laws have 0 effect on crazyness, only bigbrother effects		Jan 20 08:20
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Gon0S/status/557522005491449856	Jan 20 08:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Gon0S: @Chinedom @schestowitz and if we have To go on STASI level survey, terrorists win this fucking terror war as we loose our liberty		Jan 20 08:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Screenshots http://t.co/i2iA5iuG4P	Jan 20 09:03
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 09:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhcht	Jan 20 09:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Screenshots \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 09:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/79mF9741KR	Jan 20 09:03
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 09:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhchu	Jan 20 09:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 09:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/ftJ0DupYhd	Jan 20 09:03
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 09:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhchw	Jan 20 09:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 09:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/JiSilT8gjk	Jan 20 09:03
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 09:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhchx	Jan 20 09:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 09:03
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Gon0S/status/557528492980850688 https://twitter.com/Gon0S/status/557528674745196545 https://twitter.com/Gon0S/status/557529274702635009	Jan 20 12:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Gon0S: @Chinedom @schestowitz putting an cybernetic cop behind every citizen will give you security ? 1/3		Jan 20 12:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Gon0S: @Chinedom @schestowitz 2/3, terrorists will use alternative ways to achieve their horrors, you can be sure of this		Jan 20 12:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Gon0S: @Chinedom @schestowitz 3/3 we will be jailed, politicians and elite will be able to make their shit business without any fears. Sweet !		Jan 20 12:24
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/nyakasanga/status/557558350054162432	Jan 20 12:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nyakasanga: @schestowitz not 2000 but 150 as #Nigerian authorities declare. If info is unclear what to protest ...		Jan 20 12:24
schestowitz	Even if that was 150 (which I doubt, maybe damage control), it should be huge news	Jan 20 12:25
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ioerror/status/557388027295588352	Jan 20 12:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ioerror: Terrorism is brutal beyond all comparison: https://t.co/cIOFmn3379 https://t.co/D08dT9eUaI		Jan 20 12:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com \| ★ Shock and Awe the initial bombing of baghdad ★ - YouTube		Jan 20 12:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com \| "Shock and Awe" The Beginning of the 2003 Invasion of Iraq (CNN Live Coverage) - YouTube		Jan 20 12:30
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/nyakasanga/status/557591256071946243 https://twitter.com/nyakasanga/status/557592967603818496	Jan 20 12:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nyakasanga: @schestowitz life has little value in Africa . Unfortunately the outside world cares more for Africans that their own leaders and elite do.		Jan 20 12:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nyakasanga: @schestowitz only exceptions are Kagame, Ramgoolam, and Khama.		Jan 20 12:47
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wyl13m	Hey guy anybody got an idea for a Pear OS replacement	Jan 20 12:51
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schestowitz	There;s the successor, Pearl	Jan 20 13:00
MinceR	he's gone :>	Jan 20 13:00
schestowitz	I know, but I wanted to state it for the record	Jan 20 13:10
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Sosumi	just wondering	Jan 20 13:28
Sosumi	is btrfs finally safe for deployment?	Jan 20 13:28
MinceR	afaict no	Jan 20 13:32
MinceR	then again i pretty much gave up on it when a btrfs that wasn't even old died on my usb flash drive	Jan 20 13:33
MinceR	probably in 2014	Jan 20 13:33
schestowitz	I would not touch btrfs myself	Jan 20 13:35
schestowitz	not just yet	Jan 20 13:35
schestowitz	not just because it's oracle	Jan 20 13:36
schestowitz	maybe on a test box I would	Jan 20 13:36
schestowitz	SUSE, IIRC, uses it for one of the partitions now by defauly	Jan 20 13:36
MinceR	suse is crap, though	Jan 20 13:36
schestowitz	it's an insult to crap	Jan 20 13:37
MinceR	:>	Jan 20 13:37
Sosumi	:)	Jan 20 13:37
schestowitz	google suse default btrfs	Jan 20 13:38
schestowitz	!google suse default btrfs	Jan 20 13:38
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - What to expect from Btrfs on openSUSE 13.2? - openSUSE News \| https://news.opensuse.org/2014/11/12/what-to-expect-from-btrfs-on-opensuse-13-2/	Jan 20 13:38
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - openSUSE 13.2 To Use Btrfs By Default, Major Changes - Phoronix \| http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php%3Fpage%3Dnews_item%26px%3DMTYzNjA	Jan 20 13:38
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Why SUSE Likes The Btrfs File-System - Phoronix \| http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php%3Fpage%3Dnews_item%26px%3DMTQ4ODE	Jan 20 13:38
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - OpenSUSE 13.2 To Use Btrfs By Default - Slashdot \| http://hardware-beta.slashdot.org/story/14/03/19/2125243/opensuse-132-to-use-btrfs-by-default	Jan 20 13:38
schestowitz	BTW	Jan 20 13:38
schestowitz	SUSE also was a booster of reiserfs back in the days	Jan 20 13:38
schestowitz	we know how it turned out...	Jan 20 13:38
Sosumi	no idea on that	Jan 20 13:39
Sosumi	but a quick google search says that it was their default until they decided to move to ext3 back in 2006	Jan 20 13:40
MinceR	http://media.giphy.com/media/fvgP4bUxrn2Ug/giphy.gif	Jan 20 13:42
Sosumi	Oburner	Jan 20 13:44
MinceR	:)	Jan 20 13:46
Sosumi	also, just noticed	Jan 20 13:53
Sosumi	there is going to be a M$ event announcing some new features to windows 10	Jan 20 13:53
Sosumi	tomorrow	Jan 20 13:53
Sosumi	what else is M$ going to copy paste from KDE?	Jan 20 13:54
Sosumi	or, lol, apple	Jan 20 13:54
MinceR	also, where else will they force the "browser" almost nobody wants to use?	Jan 20 13:56
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Chinedom/status/557613836950593538 https://twitter.com/Chinedom/status/557614967516848128 https://twitter.com/Gon0S/status/557615633643618308	Jan 20 14:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Chinedom: @Gon0S @schestowitz I hope you are being sincere. Libertarians always end up helping terrorists.		Jan 20 14:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Chinedom: @Gon0S @schestowitz Quite often, terrorists act as libertarians in order to confuse and confound.		Jan 20 14:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Gon0S: @Chinedom @schestowitz so for a few murderers, everybody should be spied by private corps, which have totally other purpose in mind ?		Jan 20 14:28
MinceR	build the global Empire of Humankind or the turrists win!	Jan 20 14:29
MinceR	(never mind that if that happens, the turrists win even harder)	Jan 20 14:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Install/Upgrade Linux Kernel To 3.18.3 Stable	Jan 20 14:43
TweetTuxMachines	In Ubuntu/Linux Mint/Peppermint	Jan 20 14:43
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/6sNF01RBz4 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 20 14:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhexh	Jan 20 14:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Install/Upgrade Linux Kernel To 3.18.3 Stable In Ubuntu/Linux Mint/Peppermint \| Tux Machines		Jan 20 14:43
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*TweetTuxMachines got exception: Unexpected end of ZLIB input stream ; reconnecting to Twitter...		Jan 20 15:39
Sosumi	ho yes	Jan 20 15:46
Sosumi	they are going to rebrand internet explorer	Jan 20 15:46
MinceR	the "start menu" is now "start page" and is actually internet explorer	Jan 20 15:47
MinceR	the "metro" "apps" are actually internet explorer	Jan 20 15:47
MinceR	and you can run internet explorer in full screen and in a window	Jan 20 15:47
Sosumi	lol, is M$ for real on that?	Jan 20 15:48
MinceR	they are	Jan 20 15:48
Sosumi	facepalm	Jan 20 15:48
MinceR	baffling that they removed active desktop	Jan 20 15:48
MinceR	which was internet explorer... on the desktop	Jan 20 15:48
Sosumi	well, let's wait and see what else is M$ going to show tomorrow	Jan 20 15:50
Sosumi	on comedy day	Jan 20 15:50
Sosumi	:)	Jan 20 15:51
MinceR	maybe they'll merge with red hat	Jan 20 16:01
MinceR	who knows?	Jan 20 16:01
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cubexyz	I wrote a bit about 'mind pollution'	Jan 20 19:45
cubexyz	http://cubexyz.blogspot.com	Jan 20 19:45
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cubexyz	trying to get tech journalists to write their articles in a platform independent manner	Jan 20 19:48
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cubexyz	msb_, just watched Forbidden Planet :)	Jan 20 23:01
cubexyz	it was pretty good	Jan 20 23:01
msb_	cubexyz: Yep, one of the great pioneering sci-fi movies.	Jan 20 23:02
cubexyz	it seems star trek probably got some inspiration from it	Jan 20 23:02
msb_	How so?	Jan 20 23:02
msb_	I mean, in particular.	Jan 20 23:03
cubexyz	beaming up, ray guns, quasi-military style	Jan 20 23:03
cubexyz	clueless guys getting killed :)	Jan 20 23:03
msb_	The entire sci-fi field is full of cross=fertilization.	Jan 20 23:03
cubexyz	oh definitely	Jan 20 23:04
msb_	Buck Rogers! That's the one I was trying to think of the other day.	Jan 20 23:04
msb_	There's an undercurrent of intelligence in most scifi.	Jan 20 23:05
msb_	Problem solving.	Jan 20 23:05
cubexyz	also "the plastic teacher" reminded me of the teacher from "Spock's Brain"	Jan 20 23:06
msb_	I remember that some aliens stole Spock's brain, but I don't remember a teacher.	Jan 20 23:07
cubexyz	it looked like a helmet...	Jan 20 23:07
cubexyz	you stuck it on your head and got accelerated learning	Jan 20 23:08
cubexyz	oh well, it wasn't one of the better episodes	Jan 20 23:08
msb_	Whenever they encountered something wondeful, Kirk had to destroy it. Like robot bodies for immortality.	Jan 20 23:10
msb_	That was the equation! Existence, survival, must cancel out programming!	Jan 20 23:11
cubexyz	Ted Cassidy :)	Jan 20 23:12
msb_	All he had to do was twist Kirk's neck and the Universe would have been a much better place!	Jan 20 23:13
cubexyz	haha	Jan 20 23:13
cubexyz	got to check out the original Trek on blu-ray someday	Jan 20 23:14
cubexyz	I guess you watched it in it's original run?	Jan 20 23:14
msb_	It's probably in bt.	Jan 20 23:14
msb_	Yep!	Jan 20 23:14
cubexyz	my computers are probably too old for blu-ray	Jan 20 23:15
msb_	You should get one new one.	Jan 20 23:15
cubexyz	I'm doing research on that... I want something really good	Jan 20 23:15
msb_	AMD FX-8350 is a pretty good cpu, and less than $200	Jan 20 23:16
cubexyz	what if I want non-x86? :)	Jan 20 23:17
cubexyz	got to fight the man ya know	Jan 20 23:18
msb_	$170, pricewatch	Jan 20 23:18
msb_	It's AMD. You are fighting the man!	Jan 20 23:18
cubexyz	125 watts is a bit on the piggy side	Jan 20 23:18
msb_	You live in Canada. You need the heat!	Jan 20 23:20
cubexyz	sure, a nice PDP-11/45 would help :)	Jan 20 23:21
msb_	This is going to be your one modern computer. You want 8GB of RAM, too.	Jan 20 23:22
msb_	I researched this. I was going to update my old dual core amd, but then found I can play x265's with mplayer.	Jan 20 23:23
msb_	Nearly saturates both cores, but who cares.	Jan 20 23:23
cubexyz	usually I strive for minimalism	Jan 20 23:23
msb_	The 8350 is 8 cores.	Jan 20 23:23
msb_	This is going to be your ONE modern computer.	Jan 20 23:24
cubexyz	I suppose I should have one	Jan 20 23:24
cubexyz	VIA's got a quadcore cpu now	Jan 20 23:25
msb_	I researched this about 6 months ago. The 8350 is the sweet spot of price/performance.	Jan 20 23:25
cubexyz	really I want good speed but also low wattage	Jan 20 23:25
msb_	Smoke some pot and close your eyes.	Jan 20 23:26
cubexyz	I guess that rules out vacuum tubes :)	Jan 20 23:26
cubexyz	which laptops do you like?	Jan 20 23:27
msb_	Unless they're cold-cathode and nano-sized.	Jan 20 23:27
msb_	Haven't looked into laptops. I don't get out much.	Jan 20 23:28
cubexyz	some of the I3's only use 18 watts	Jan 20 23:28
cubexyz	better than my P3 coppermine	Jan 20 23:28
msb_	I3's ?	Jan 20 23:29
cubexyz	intel i3	Jan 20 23:29
msb_	"<cubexyz> got to fight the man ya know"	Jan 20 23:30
cubexyz	oh, I didn't say I was going to buy it :)	Jan 20 23:30
msb_	You should not contaminate your brain by thinking about it.	Jan 20 23:30
cubexyz	I once asked for a laptop with all standardized parts and I was laughed at	Jan 20 23:31
msb_	There might be some kind of open-source one now.	Jan 20 23:32
cubexyz	I bet in the last 15 years I've spend less money on computers than anyone here	Jan 20 23:32
cubexyz	you wouldn't believe the stuff people throw out	Jan 20 23:33
msb_	Desktops have the best performance per price, and if anything fails you can buy a new one. All the parts cost less than $200 each -- cpu, ram, disk, mobo, case/ps.	Jan 20 23:33
cubexyz	yes, normally that's what I use	Jan 20 23:34
cubexyz	but sometimes I salvage laptops that people don't want	Jan 20 23:34
cubexyz	I fix them up, and put a different OS on each one	Jan 20 23:34
cubexyz		Jan 20 23:37
cubexyz	I just like the older motherboards	Jan 20 23:37
cubexyz	less integration	Jan 20 23:37
msb_	Hey, could you try getting on irc.opensuse.org? It went down for me almost two days ago and I can't get it back. But I haven't restarted Konversation because I didn't want to lose the backscroll.	Jan 20 23:39
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cubexyz	it show be up	Jan 20 23:44
cubexyz	it should be up	Jan 20 23:44
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cubexyz	irc.opensuse.org goes to chat.freenode.net 195.148.124.79 port 6667	Jan 20 23:45
msb_	can you join #suse?	Jan 20 23:45
cubexyz	yes	Jan 20 23:45
cubexyz	and nmap irc.opensuse.org shows all the irc ports are open	Jan 20 23:46
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msb_	ok, I killed its tab and got back in.	Jan 20 23:48
msb_	thanks!	Jan 20 23:48
msb_	.	Jan 21 00:00
msb_	cubexyz: hello?	Jan 21 00:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Advanced Linux Server-Side Threats: How they	Jan 21 02:15
TweetTuxMachines	work and what you can do about them	Jan 21 02:15
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/mubiiUvlNO (www.youtube.com) new	Jan 21 02:15
TweetTuxMachines	talk	Jan 21 02:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New Guide to the Open Cloud: Your Free Primer	Jan 21 02:15
TweetTuxMachines	for 'Cloud' Migration and Web-Scale IT	Jan 21 02:15
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/SxxuaM9naV (www.linux.com)	Jan 21 02:15
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Ni1he1bn5E (www.zdnet.com)	Jan 21 02:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com \| New Guide to the Open Cloud: Your Free Primer for Cloud Migration and Web-Scale IT \| Linux.com		Jan 21 02:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 9 Android apps that will make iPhone users	Jan 21 02:48
TweetTuxMachines	jealous: utility and customisation apps you	Jan 21 02:48
TweetTuxMachines	just can't get in Apple's ...	Jan 21 02:48
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/eCC1KCLY2o (joindiaspora.com)	Jan 21 02:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhj52	Jan 21 02:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Verde Station, An Adventure Akin To Gone Home	Jan 21 02:48
TweetTuxMachines	Is Coming For Linux http://t.co/HcYuAxMZS2	Jan 21 02:48
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 21 02:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhj55	Jan 21 02:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Linux Port Of Age Of Wonders III Is	Jan 21 02:48
TweetTuxMachines	Progressing, A Bit Too Explosive Right Now	Jan 21 02:48
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/cnMGeCSGgY (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 21 02:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhj56	Jan 21 02:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines #Steam Client Updated, Broadcasting Now Out Of	Jan 21 03:01
TweetTuxMachines	Beta, Still Not For Linux	Jan 21 03:01
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Ao5pU2bpA1 (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 21 03:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhj8f	Jan 21 03:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Steam Client Updated, Broadcasting Now Out Of Beta, Still Not For Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 21 03:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Xonotic 0.8 Is a Fun and Fast Free Arena	Jan 21 03:01
TweetTuxMachines	Multiplayer FPS, Think Modern Quake	Jan 21 03:01
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/xHM5lQdraX (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 03:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhj8g	Jan 21 03:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tizen-based Samsung cameras and round	Jan 21 03:01
TweetTuxMachines	smartwatch leaked http://t.co/sF1CpSDT35	Jan 21 03:01
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Jan 21 03:01
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhj8h	Jan 21 03:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat’s OpenStack Ambitions Move it Beyond	Jan 21 03:01
TweetTuxMachines	its Linux OS Core http://t.co/WatpIIFFBK	Jan 21 03:01
TweetTuxMachines	(www.datacenterknowledge.com)	Jan 21 03:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhj8n	Jan 21 03:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat And Linux Help European Space Agency	Jan 21 03:01
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/nvEfBDsP9F (news.investors.com)	Jan 21 03:01
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/pZqXnutSPL (www.marketwatch.com)	Jan 21 03:01
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhj8o	Jan 21 03:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Patches Several Security Flaws	Jan 21 03:07
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/wMdmXByV9W (threatpost.com)	Jan 21 03:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/lt8LyHkFCc (linux.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 03:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjad	Jan 21 03:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ubuntu goes iot http://t.co/xVOfbL8Mk1	Jan 21 03:07
TweetTuxMachines	(siliconangle.com) http://t.co/qwOjhoMjXH	Jan 21 03:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-siliconangle.com \| Canonical ushers Ubuntu into the Internet of Things \| SiliconANGLE		Jan 21 03:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theregister.co.uk) http://t.co/YtIkGS20lO	Jan 21 03:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theinquirer.net) http://t.co/5LdWBxq5U7	Jan 21 03:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Canonical goes all Internet of Stuff with Ubuntu for DRONES • The Register		Jan 21 03:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.v3.co.uk) http://t.co/7p0kXbn638	Jan 21 03:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.forbes.com)	Jan 21 03:07
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjae	Jan 21 03:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Getting Linux Adopted and Fedora 22 Previewed	Jan 21 03:07
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjah	Jan 21 03:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Thunderbird 31.4.0 Lands in Ubuntu Repos	Jan 21 03:07
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjai	Jan 21 03:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tizen-based Samsung cameras and round	Jan 21 03:07
TweetTuxMachines	smartwatch leaked http://t.co/sBguVhsbaR	Jan 21 03:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 03:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjal	Jan 21 03:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat’s OpenStack Ambitions Move it Beyond	Jan 21 03:13
TweetTuxMachines	its Linux OS Core http://t.co/Klx1XpgNvH	Jan 21 03:13
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 03:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjc5	Jan 21 03:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung hops back on Android bandwagon with	Jan 21 03:13
TweetTuxMachines	printers http://t.co/UGZiWKOpoW (www.zdnet.com)	Jan 21 03:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjc7	Jan 21 03:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Samsung hops back on Android bandwagon with printers \| ZDNet		Jan 21 03:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 4MDoom 11.0 Beta Is a Distro That Boots Only	Jan 21 03:13
TweetTuxMachines	into a Doom-Type Game – Gallery	Jan 21 03:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/aA2w7yXcVd (linux.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 03:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjc8	Jan 21 03:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Wayland porting – the endgame	Jan 21 03:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/PkfIqUo7c8 (blogs.gnome.org)	Jan 21 03:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjde	Jan 21 03:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Shadow Warrior Looks Like It Will Come To Linux	Jan 21 03:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/1H39wykNGR (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 21 03:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjdf	Jan 21 03:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Shadow Warrior Looks Like It Will Come To Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 21 03:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung hops back on Android bandwagon with	Jan 21 03:57
TweetTuxMachines	printers http://t.co/AbRKY0Xh9M	Jan 21 03:57
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 03:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjpe	Jan 21 03:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Cutegram: A Better Telegram Client For	Jan 21 03:57
TweetTuxMachines	GNU/Linux http://t.co/W3noK5bj8q	Jan 21 03:57
TweetTuxMachines	(www.unixmen.com)	Jan 21 03:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjpf	Jan 21 03:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "A huge milestone on the way to making	Jan 21 04:15
TweetTuxMachines	#NetworkManager more cooperative, more	Jan 21 04:15
TweetTuxMachines	flexible, more configurable"	Jan 21 04:15
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/wK7MBGktq8 (blogs.gnome.org)	Jan 21 04:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjuo	Jan 21 04:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Good visual review of what's new in Android	Jan 21 04:15
TweetTuxMachines	5.0.x Lollipop http://t.co/6xZFkKDkMg	Jan 21 04:15
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gottabemobile.com) a mixed bag in my	Jan 21 04:15
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TweetTuxMachines	experience..	Jan 21 04:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Chzo Mythos And Other Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw	Jan 21 04:15
TweetTuxMachines	Games Updated For Linux http://t.co/tvntwrOihJ	Jan 21 04:15
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 21 04:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| The Chzo Mythos And Other Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw Games Updated For Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Jan 21 04:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Top 10 Facts You Need to Know before Rooting	Jan 21 04:23
TweetTuxMachines	Your Android Smartphone http://t.co/LiooCCmBNL	Jan 21 04:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.ibtimes.co.in)	Jan 21 04:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Banner Saga RPG Looks Close To A Linux	Jan 21 04:23
TweetTuxMachines	Version	Jan 21 04:23
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/3ab4kgPN2I (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 21 04:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The current state of video editing for Linux	Jan 21 04:23
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/cgIc5xIkOl (opensource.com)	Jan 21 04:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| 6 free and open source video editing tools \| Opensource.com		Jan 21 04:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Linux founder Linus Torvalds' latest run-in	Jan 21 04:30
TweetTuxMachines	with the sensitivity police."	Jan 21 04:30
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/vk2zd3kBWz (www.infoworld.com)	Jan 21 04:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MakuluLinux 6 Cinnamon Distro Is a Great White	Jan 21 04:30
TweetTuxMachines	Shark – Gallery http://t.co/fUnz457RPU	Jan 21 04:30
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 04:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| MakuluLinux 6 Cinnamon Distro Is a Great White Shark – Gallery - Softpedia		Jan 21 04:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjzt	Jan 21 04:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New #Manjaro 0.8.11 Update Brings Better	Jan 21 04:30
TweetTuxMachines	Package Manager, Firefox 35, and More	Jan 21 04:30
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/uOT9SyNrWz (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 04:30
TweetTuxMachines	some screenshots from the new release	Jan 21 04:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| New Manjaro 0.8.11 Update Brings Better Package Manager, Firefox 35, and More - Softpedia		Jan 21 04:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhjzu	Jan 21 04:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Keith Packard Leaves Intel's Linux Graphics	Jan 21 04:42
TweetTuxMachines	Work http://t.co/hQ5sS8ZY7X (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 21 04:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhk3z	Jan 21 04:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Keith Packard Leaves Intel's Linux Graphics Work - Phoronix		Jan 21 04:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 22 Will Aim To Use Plasma 5 For Its KDE	Jan 21 04:42
TweetTuxMachines	Desktop Experience http://t.co/6ocrBwk2To	Jan 21 04:42
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jan 21 04:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Fedora 22 Will Aim To Use Plasma 5 For Its KDE Desktop Experience - Phoronix		Jan 21 04:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhk40	Jan 21 04:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Software documents Linux activity live	Jan 21 04:42
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/s50jVtbWos	Jan 21 04:42
TweetTuxMachines	(www.electronicsweekly.com)	Jan 21 04:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhk42	Jan 21 04:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.electronicsweekly.com \| Software documents Linux activity live \| Electronics Weekly		Jan 21 04:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Song Of The Myrne: What Lies Beneath, A Pixel	Jan 21 04:54
TweetTuxMachines	Graphic RPG Adventure Now On Steam For Linux	Jan 21 04:54
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/uvBssHQcZX (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 21 04:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhk7h	Jan 21 04:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines STAR WARS: DARK FORCES, Now On Linux Thanks To	Jan 21 04:54
TweetTuxMachines	GOG http://t.co/MLudm8A2ar	Jan 21 04:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Jan 21 04:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhk7j	Jan 21 04:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Penguin high-flyers: Andrew Tridgell on the	Jan 21 04:54
TweetTuxMachines	Linux autopilot http://t.co/4FqjA7SyGR	Jan 21 04:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theregister.co.uk)	Jan 21 04:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Penguin high-flyers: Andrew Tridgell on the Linux autopilot • The Register		Jan 21 04:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhk7l	Jan 21 04:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Secret to Desktop Linux Adoption	Jan 21 05:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jP0gouapun (www.datamation.com)	Jan 21 05:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhka8	Jan 21 05:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datamation.com \| Secret to Desktop Linux Adoption - Datamation		Jan 21 05:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines HandyLinux 1.8 Is an Exciting Debian and	Jan 21 05:02
TweetTuxMachines	Xfce-Based Distro, Ditches Windows Feel	Jan 21 05:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ccjz5lY4pO (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 05:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhka9	Jan 21 05:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| HandyLinux 1.8 Is an Exciting Debian and Xfce-Based Distro, Ditches Windows Feel - Softpedia		Jan 21 05:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Thunderbird 31.4.0 Lands in Ubuntu Repos	Jan 21 05:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/YWvhDifRUy (linux.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 05:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhkaa	Jan 21 05:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Thunderbird 31.4.0 Lands in Ubuntu Repos - Softpedia		Jan 21 05:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Getting Linux Adopted and Fedora 22 Previewed	Jan 21 05:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ghfysSQKo3 (ostatic.com)	Jan 21 05:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhkab	Jan 21 05:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft Is Taking a Beating from	Jan 21 06:49
TweetTuxMachines	Linux-Powered Chromebooks	Jan 21 06:49
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Np4ywjkIF7 (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 06:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhl5u	Jan 21 06:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft Is Trying and Failing at Converging	Jan 21 06:49
TweetTuxMachines	Platforms, Ubuntu Does It Right	Jan 21 06:49
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/sDZSlkQkUu (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 21 06:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhl5v	Jan 21 06:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Microsoft Is Trying and Failing at Converging Platforms, Ubuntu Does It Right - Softpedia		Jan 21 06:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Penguin high-flyers: Andrew Tridgell on the	Jan 21 07:28
TweetTuxMachines	Linux autopilot http://t.co/DAtOqAcc5W	Jan 21 07:28
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 07:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhlgp	Jan 21 07:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Secret to Desktop Linux Adoption	Jan 21 07:28
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/NyiPhNoqrF (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 07:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhlgq	Jan 21 07:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Secret to Desktop Linux Adoption \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 07:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Leftovers http://t.co/nVH8gm3wMp	Jan 21 07:28
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 07:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhlgr	Jan 21 07:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Top 10 Facts You Need to Know before Rooting	Jan 21 10:26
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Your Android Smartphone http://t.co/LiooCCmBNL	Jan 21 10:26
TweetTuxMachines	@speedyx2000 (www.ibtimes.co.in)	Jan 21 10:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhmvz	Jan 21 10:26
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*TweetTuxMachines @awintory favourited 'The Banner Saga RPG Looks Close To A...'		Jan 21 12:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Proxmox Releases Mail Security Platform Based	Jan 21 12:06
TweetTuxMachines	on Debian Linux http://t.co/g2deSDtMJ9	Jan 21 12:06
TweetTuxMachines	(thevarguy.com)	Jan 21 12:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thevarguy.com \| Proxmox Releases Mail Security Platform Based on Debian Linux \| Open Source Application Software Companies content from The VAR Guy		Jan 21 12:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhntj	Jan 21 12:06
Sosumi	M$'s keynote is on	Jan 21 12:12
Sosumi	M$ just now	Jan 21 12:12
Sosumi	"Second, trust. People care about their privacy. So do we. You are our customer, not our product."	Jan 21 12:12
Sosumi	cough skype	Jan 21 12:13
Sosumi	cough unfixed bugs/backdoors	Jan 21 12:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux System Engineer Jean-Roch Rossi Advanced	Jan 21 12:15
TweetTuxMachines	His Career With Practice, Certification	Jan 21 12:15
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/7o2GbigWtL (www.linux.com)	Jan 21 12:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhnx0	Jan 21 12:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com \| Linux System Engineer Jean-Roch Rossi Advanced His Career With Practice, Certification \| Linux.com		Jan 21 12:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 22 Will Aim To Use Plasma 5 For Its KDE	Jan 21 12:15
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Desktop Experience http://t.co/6ocrBwk2To	Jan 21 12:15
TweetTuxMachines	@_Hjorth (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 21 12:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Fedora 22 Will Aim To Use Plasma 5 For Its KDE Desktop Experience - Phoronix		Jan 21 12:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhnx3	Jan 21 12:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LCA Q and A leads to abusive Twitter attack on	Jan 21 12:29
TweetTuxMachines	Torvalds http://t.co/78JbLlm9tv	Jan 21 12:29
TweetTuxMachines	(www.itwire.com) 2 trolls in the Q and A	Jan 21 12:29
TweetTuxMachines	handing over bait	Jan 21 12:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jho2k	Jan 21 12:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itwire.com \| iTWire - LCA Q and A leads to abusive Twitter attack on Torvalds		Jan 21 12:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Reading about Torvalds' words is one thing.	Jan 21 12:29
TweetTuxMachines	Days later the video came out. People should	Jan 21 12:29
TweetTuxMachines	see the context in which he said what he said.	Jan 21 12:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jho2m	Jan 21 12:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Torvalds loses either way; the trolls want him	Jan 21 12:29
TweetTuxMachines	to become LKML #police (collective	Jan 21 12:29
TweetTuxMachines	accountability), others chastising him for	Jan 21 12:29
TweetTuxMachines	being too rude	Jan 21 12:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jho2o	Jan 21 12:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 21/1/2015: Andrew Tridgell, Torvalds	Jan 21 12:44
TweetTuxMachines	Being Baited http://t.co/OvZHcRB9uu	Jan 21 12:44
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Jan 21 12:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jho88	Jan 21 12:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 21/1/2015: Andrew Tridgell, Torvalds Being Baited \| Techrights		Jan 21 12:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux System Engineer Jean-Roch Rossi Advanced	Jan 21 12:45
TweetTuxMachines	His Career With Practice, Certification	Jan 21 12:45
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ApHMxYss3Y (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 12:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jho8b	Jan 21 12:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux System Engineer Jean-Roch Rossi Advanced His Career With Practice, Certification \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 12:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LCA Q and A leads to abusive Twitter attack on	Jan 21 12:45
TweetTuxMachines	Torvalds http://t.co/ds3LnE2SaY	Jan 21 12:45
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 12:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jho8g	Jan 21 12:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| LCA Q and A leads to abusive Twitter attack on Torvalds \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 12:45
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Sosumi	http://kotaku.com/putin-looks-disappointed-with-russias-latest-robot-1680839260	Jan 21 13:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kotaku.com \| Putin Looks Disappointed With Russia's Latest Robot [ http://ur1.ca/jhour ]		Jan 21 13:46
Sosumi	have to laugh	Jan 21 13:46
Sosumi	robot is remotely controled btw	Jan 21 13:48
Sosumi	but why didn't they just cope the design of the c&c avatar warmech	Jan 21 13:48
Sosumi	*copy	Jan 21 13:48
Sosumi	fail	Jan 21 13:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/KFylCizvhu	Jan 21 14:11
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 14:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhp3q	Jan 21 14:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 14:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/dyJhG6YVzR	Jan 21 14:11
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 14:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhp3t	Jan 21 14:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 14:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/yTLnJmS3TF	Jan 21 14:11
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 14:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhp3z	Jan 21 14:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 14:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Thunderbird 31.4.0 Release With Several Bug	Jan 21 14:11
TweetTuxMachines	Fixes http://t.co/tVSlDgmxwx	Jan 21 14:11
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 14:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhp40	Jan 21 14:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Thunderbird 31.4.0 Release With Several Bug Fixes \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 14:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines City of Arnhem aims to increase open source use	Jan 21 14:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/CU3tWAly5w (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 14:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhp42	Jan 21 14:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| City of Arnhem aims to increase open source use \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 14:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KWin on speed http://t.co/VMJYbuI41t	Jan 21 14:12
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 14:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhp44	Jan 21 14:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KWin on speed \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 14:12
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5463247	Jan 21 14:24
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 14:24
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schestowitz	I get where he's coming from, but it's still a poor excuse, and a sloppily handled one at that. He doesn't have to bow down to anybody to be a little bit nicer. Half of the things he says are doused in complete vitriol.	Jan 21 14:24
schestowitz	I don't hate Linus; I recognize his contribution to technology is a sizeable one. But the guy has an ego the size of a planet, and cuts people down for completely trivial reasons, driving away potential contributors in the process. He's a good developer, but perhaps not a very good ambassador.	Jan 21 14:24
schestowitz	"	Jan 21 14:24
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sebsebseb	schestowitz: which mobile phone network are you with and why?	Jan 21 14:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Proxmox Releases Mail Security Platform Based	Jan 21 14:56
TweetTuxMachines	on Debian Linux http://t.co/q2SAiMZ1JR	Jan 21 14:56
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 14:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhpi2	Jan 21 14:56
*TweetTuxMachines @michaelgold favourited 'City of Arnhem aims to increase open source...'		Jan 21 14:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines University’s Virtual Reality Setup Runs on	Jan 21 14:56
TweetTuxMachines	Linux and Open Source Software	Jan 21 14:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/bbWfKPbSu1 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 14:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhpi5	Jan 21 14:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| University’s Virtual Reality Setup Runs on Linux and Open Source Software \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 14:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Smart Cars are the New Smart Phone	Jan 21 14:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/92ACxITj0T (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 14:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhpi7	Jan 21 14:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Smart Cars are the New Smart Phone \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 14:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Firefox enters the realm of virtual reality	Jan 21 14:56
TweetTuxMachines	with the Oculus Rift http://t.co/WjNdjhCZCY	Jan 21 14:56
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 14:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhpi8	Jan 21 14:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Firefox enters the realm of virtual reality with the Oculus Rift \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 14:56
*TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'University’s Virtual Reality Setup Runs on Linux and...'		Jan 21 15:00
*TweetTuxMachines @virtkick favourited 'Proxmox Releases Mail Security Platform Based on Debian...'		Jan 21 15:39
*TweetTuxMachines @virtkick favourited 'Proxmox Releases Mail Security Platform Based on Debian...'		Jan 21 15:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel's Open-Source Graphics Team Poaches A Top	Jan 21 15:39
TweetTuxMachines	Nouveau Driver Developer http://t.co/YfkeedYaaV	Jan 21 15:39
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 15:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhpvk	Jan 21 15:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Intel's Open-Source Graphics Team Poaches A Top Nouveau Driver Developer \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 15:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LibreOffice Android View (Beta)	Jan 21 15:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/frPgfkey3S (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 15:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhpvp	Jan 21 15:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| LibreOffice Android View (Beta) \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 15:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kolab Enterprise 14 Released with Advanced	Jan 21 15:40
TweetTuxMachines	Tagging and Notes http://t.co/hoQvGq5Kz3	Jan 21 15:40
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 15:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhpvr	Jan 21 15:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Kolab Enterprise 14 Released with Advanced Tagging and Notes \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 15:40
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MinceR	http://fee.org/freeman/detail/youll-never-guess-whos-trying-to-hack-your-iphone	Jan 21 15:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fee.org \| You'll Never Guess Who's Trying to Hack Your iPhone : The Freeman : Foundation for Economic Education [ http://ur1.ca/jhie1 ]		Jan 21 15:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MEDIAFIRE RELEASES LINUX AND OPEN-SOURCE	Jan 21 15:54
TweetTuxMachines	TOOLKIT FOR DEVELOPERS http://t.co/ozxBKiLtj3	Jan 21 15:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 15:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhpzy	Jan 21 15:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| MEDIAFIRE RELEASES LINUX AND OPEN-SOURCE TOOLKIT FOR DEVELOPERS \| Tux Machines		Jan 21 15:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Shell 3.15.4 http://t.co/QHnxHgak6e	Jan 21 15:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 15:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jhq00	Jan 21 15:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LibreOffice Android View (Beta)	Jan 21 16:29
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by http://t.co/frPgfkey3S (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 21 16:29
TweetTuxMachines	@speedytux	Jan 21 16:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Stellarium 0.13.2 Is a Premium Planetarium App	Jan 21 16:29
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cubexyz	I don't agree with this disparaging of 32-bit kernels	Jan 21 17:45
cubexyz	only supporting latest and greatest is a Microsoft flaw	Jan 21 17:46
abeNd-org	meh, most server side products are x64 only anyways	Jan 21 17:48
abeNd-org	heck even fedora is going x64 only	Jan 21 17:48
abeNd-org	there will always be tiny/puppy x86 friendly distros out there, so no big deal	Jan 21 17:48
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sebsebseb	hi	Jan 22 03:57
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Jan 22 04:51
DaemonFC	Just now ·	Jan 22 04:51
DaemonFC	112,386.	Jan 22 04:51
DaemonFC	That's the number of frelling idiots that bought this and probably believed it word-for-word.	Jan 22 04:51
DaemonFC	And does anyone want to guess who they vote for?	Jan 22 04:51
DaemonFC	http://www.alternet.org/belief/10-year-old-author-bestselling-christian-book-admits-he-never-actually-came-back-heaven	Jan 22 04:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.alternet.org \| 10-Year-Old Author of Bestselling Christian Book Admits He Never Actually Came Back From Heaven \| Alternet [ http://ur1.ca/jhwon ]		Jan 22 04:51
DaemonFC	There we go. Paid six months car insurance and next month's cable internet and cell phone bills.	Jan 22 05:30
*DaemonFC tries to pay some of the monthly surplus forward.		Jan 22 05:30
DaemonFC	And the freezer is fully stocked again. B-)	Jan 22 05:31
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schestowitz	>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11360204/Gamergate-Zoe-Quinn-launches-anti-harrassment-support-network.html	Jan 22 06:44
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schestowitz	>>> >>	Jan 22 06:44
schestowitz	>>> >> For those who didn't follow it first time around. The article is	Jan 22 06:44
schestowitz	>>> >> probably part of a larger, orchestrated attack now.	Jan 22 06:44
schestowitz	>> >	Jan 22 06:44
schestowitz	>> > I am still now quite following the whole history of it, having read	Jan 22 06:44
schestowitz	>> > Wikipedia about it. I think that many people who write about it don't	Jan 22 06:44
schestowitz	>> > understand it either. To be frank, it's outside my scope of interest	Jan 22 06:44
schestowitz	>> > simply because there's so much politics and history there that I can't	Jan 22 06:44
schestowitz	>> > quite follow it and make informed statements.	Jan 22 06:44
schestowitz	> I'm mostly ignoring it now and I ignored it completely the first time	Jan 22 06:44
schestowitz	> around because there was so much noise and disinformation that it was	Jan 22 06:44
schestowitz	> hard to get to the bottom. I speculate now that it is brought up again	Jan 22 06:44
schestowitz	> to make a more general "case" against FOSS as one step in the in the	Jan 22 06:44
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schestowitz	> larger attack against Torvalds. It would be good to know if she was	Jan 22 06:44
schestowitz	> really a developer or not. It might turn up again though and then I'll	Jan 22 06:44
schestowitz	> have to dig into it to see what facts can be found.	Jan 22 06:44
schestowitz	>	Jan 22 06:44
schestowitz	> One aspect to it is that Poettering has heavily used sjw to push systemd	Jan 22 06:44
schestowitz	> and to get some noisy people to completely ignore the technical side to	Jan 22 06:44
schestowitz	> it. Otherwise it would have made more sense for the sjw crowd to fork	Jan 22 06:44
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schestowitz	> their own kernel rather than rail on Torvalds.	Jan 22 06:44
schestowitz	i don't agree. Gamergate was never about FOSS and hardly relates to it in any way. The Lennux angle is mostly exploiting homophobia, not women. Also, what we need to watch out for when it comes to media manipulation at the moment is the Vista 10 BS that even FOSS sites were led into covering, inc. gimmicks :)	Jan 22 06:44
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schestowitz	http://fossforce.com/2015/01/update-slight-setback-for-ken/	Jan 22 06:53
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Sosumi	http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/hands-on-with-hololens-making-the-virtual-real/	Jan 22 11:08
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Sosumi	so magical that even turns a turd (windows 10) into gold	Jan 22 11:09
XFaCE	Sosumi: did Roy cover that yet?	Jan 22 11:12
Sosumi	no idea	Jan 22 11:12
Sosumi	my connection went down without me noticing it	Jan 22 11:13
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DaemonFC	Seen on Facebook (mocking the Republican reply to the SoTU): "Hello. My party destroyed the economy and I castrate animals. Thank you and goodnight.".	Jan 22 13:27
MinceR	imagine if she castrated humans	Jan 22 13:43
MinceR	the fundies would be all up in arms	Jan 22 13:43
MinceR	Sosumi: from inside the Arse Magica, everything microsoft looks like gold.	Jan 22 13:44
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MinceR	oops, i meant Arse Technica	Jan 22 14:25
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Sosumi	:)	Jan 22 14:39
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DaemonFC	I wonder what's going on with the free Windows 10 thing. They announced that and their stock immediately fell.	Jan 22 15:08
DaemonFC	Looks like it recovered though.	Jan 22 15:09
DaemonFC	They never made much money off of upgrade licenses anyway, because most people never upgrade.	Jan 22 15:10
DaemonFC	Most people keep the version of Windows that the PC came with for as long as they use that PC.	Jan 22 15:10
XFaCE	DaemonFC: copying apple?	Jan 22 15:17
DaemonFC	Perhaps.	Jan 22 15:19
DaemonFC	Still, it should piss off everyone that paid for the Windows 8.x upgrade since they're giving Windows 10 to Windows 7 users as well.	Jan 22 15:21
DaemonFC	Basically, it means you could have just stuck to Windows 7 and waited them out without going insane.	Jan 22 15:21
DaemonFC	http://wonkette.com/573370/childrens-treasury-times-that-fox-news-screwed-the-reality-pooch	Jan 22 15:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wonkette.com \| 23 Times Fox News Sh*t The Bed, You Are Welcome \| Wonkette [ http://ur1.ca/ji28b ]		Jan 22 15:22
MinceR	or you could just have upgraded to GNU/Linux	Jan 22 15:28
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MinceR	"did i turn off the gas?" https://33.media.tumblr.com/7ac3ba4baf30160ee43f00f319e00d74/tumblr_nijw3p2UDg1rc7lcoo1_400.gif	Jan 22 17:26
msb_	http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine/5371554	Jan 22 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca \| The U.S. has Installed a Neo-Nazi Government in Ukraine \| Global Research [ http://ur1.ca/ji3em ]		Jan 22 17:28
MinceR	http://www.rem870.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/putler.jpg	Jan 22 17:28
MinceR	gn	Jan 22 17:31
msb_	Total lie, since it was Obomber who installed the Nazis in Ukraine.	Jan 22 17:31
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MinceR	yeah, the totalitarian dictator who is in cahoots with the church and controls the oligarchs in russia is totally not a nazi	Jan 22 17:32
msb_	But the US/UK media are dedicated to forgetting that.	Jan 22 17:32
MinceR	also, it's impossible for nazis to oppose each other	Jan 22 17:33
msb_	MinceR: I think it's impossible for you to think accurately about Putin.	Jan 22 17:33
MinceR	good thing we have you around, then	Jan 22 17:33
msb_	You don't have to believe me, read http://www.globalresearch.ca	Jan 22 17:35
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MinceR	you're like the people in hungary who believe that since the mszp government did a few bad things, from this automatically follows that fidesz is the purest force for good ever	Jan 22 17:35
MinceR	yeah, i could read RT, too	Jan 22 17:35
MinceR	or Pravda	Jan 22 17:35
msb_	That's called a Straw Man argument.	Jan 22 17:36
msb_	http://www.globalresearch.ca is not biased.	Jan 22 17:36
MinceR	people in general seem to have difficulty understanding that more than one faction may mean harm to them	Jan 22 17:36
MinceR	see also: m$ is bad, therefore crApple is my savior; and vice versa	Jan 22 17:37
msb_	Putin and Russia have done far more good, and far less harm than the U.S., by opposing the U.S. in the last 15 years, which has murdered 2M people and destroyed several nations.	Jan 22 17:38
MinceR	yeah, i've seen how much good russia has done	Jan 22 17:39
MinceR	i'm a victim of that "good"	Jan 22 17:39
MinceR	if you love putler so much, why don't you move to russia?	Jan 22 17:39
msb_	The US/UK/Israel is a terrible fascist force, and it's necessary to oppose it. BRICS is doing that.	Jan 22 17:39
MinceR	good thing putler isn't... oh, wait	Jan 22 17:39
msb_	MinceR: how are you a victim of russia.	Jan 22 17:40
msb_	?	Jan 22 17:40
MinceR	in many ways	Jan 22 17:40
msb_	name the top 3	Jan 22 17:40
MinceR	they oppressed me and my family, their flunkies stole from my family	Jan 22 17:40
msb_	are they doing that now?	Jan 22 17:40
MinceR	they wrecked the economy of hungary so hard it will never recover (though not recovering is not all their fault)	Jan 22 17:40
MinceR	they are, in cahoots with orban	Jan 22 17:40
msb_	how?	Jan 22 17:41
MinceR	for example, via a deal that puts a huge long-term debt on hungary towards russia and a huge dependency on russia for the operation of our nuclear power plant	Jan 22 17:41
msb_	did russia build your power plant?	Jan 22 17:42
MinceR	not sure	Jan 22 17:42
MinceR	this is about some new blocks	Jan 22 17:42
msb_	blocks?	Jan 22 17:42
MinceR	reactors and support systems	Jan 22 17:42
msb_	did russia build that?	Jan 22 17:42
MinceR	for which hungary could have run a tender but competition is not welcome here	Jan 22 17:43
MinceR	the old ones use russian technology, but i don't know the details	Jan 22 17:43
MinceR	afaik that deal was somewhat less bound to russia	Jan 22 17:43
MinceR	also, it's nearing EOL	Jan 22 17:43
MinceR	providing a good chance to reduce hungary's dependence on russia	Jan 22 17:44
MinceR	depending on russian gas is bad enough	Jan 22 17:44
MinceR	(they love to play with the tap)	Jan 22 17:44
msb_	why don't you move away from Hungary?	Jan 22 17:45
MinceR	i'm working on it	Jan 22 17:46
msb_	good	Jan 22 17:46
msb_	IIRC the Ukraine Nazi coup govt has instituted an "austerity program". That means robbing the poor/middle and giving to the rich.	Jan 22 17:47
MinceR	good thing there's equality in russia	Jan 22 17:48
MinceR	if you ignore putin, his oligarchs, his friends, ...	Jan 22 17:48
msb_	They also shot down that airliner and tried to blame it on Russia.	Jan 22 17:49
MinceR	just like in the old days, where everyone's equal, if you ignore the inner party	Jan 22 17:49
MinceR	putler had pussy riot imprisoned for insulting his favorite cult	Jan 22 17:49
msb_	That was very stupid.	Jan 22 17:49
MinceR	freedom of speech, russian style	Jan 22 17:50
msb_	He's afraid of pussy!	Jan 22 17:50
msb_	The US started the war of terror by doing 911. It's trying to start WW3 by attacking Russia through Ukraine. Stopping that is the most important thing!	Jan 22 17:52
msb_	Putin is far from perfect, but by resisting the fascist US he is doing the most important thing that can be done.	Jan 22 17:53
msb_	The attacks on Libya and Ukraine show that the US has the intention of continuing its path of destruction from Afghanistan and Iraq.	Jan 22 17:55
msb_	China is also not perfect, but the BRICS nations (there should be a V in there for Venezuela) are the only hope for the survival of humanity.	Jan 22 17:56
msb_	The US is a runaway psychopath force.	Jan 22 17:57
MinceR	yeah, venezuela is so great	Jan 22 17:58
msb_	The two main paradigms for survival are (1) cooperation and kindness and (2) kill everyone around you. (2) is psychopathy and it is in control of the US govt.	Jan 22 17:59
MinceR	especially the part where the government is trying to force prices at which it isn't worth producing anything	Jan 22 17:59
MinceR	orban will do that in hungary too	Jan 22 17:59
MinceR	ooh, please explain how putler cooperates and is kind	Jan 22 17:59
msb_	He is trying to stop, or at least resist, the most dangerous force in the world, which has rampaged and killed 2M people and destroyed several nations since 2001.	Jan 22 18:01
MinceR	the same could be said about the usa as well	Jan 22 18:01
msb_	No, it is the USA that has done those things!	Jan 22 18:01
MinceR	(except the usa did not annex any countries or regions)	Jan 22 18:02
MinceR	well, got to go sleep while you pray to putler	Jan 22 18:02
msb_	It annexed Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Ukraine.	Jan 22 18:02
msb_	MinceR: You are ignoring that -- the murders of TWO MILLION PEOPLE.	Jan 22 18:03
msb_	There was talk above about some connection between Poettering and	Jan 22 18:06
msb_	Gamergate or SJW. Anyone know about that?	Jan 22 18:06
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5469635	Jan 22 18:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: If You Want a Linux-Based Windows Lookalike, Then #Q4OS Is for You http://news.softpedia.com/news/If-You-Want-a-Linux-Based-Windows-Lookalike-then-Q4OS-Is-for-You-470869.shtml #gnu #linux		Jan 22 18:22
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schestowitz	"Why not? If it makes the step from Windows to Linux a little smaller. :)"	Jan 22 18:22
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5469417	Jan 22 18:23
schestowitz	"	Jan 22 18:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Librem 15, the first free software GNU/Linux laptop, makes funding goal http://www.zdnet.com/article/librem-15-free-software-gnulinux-laptop-makes-funding-goal/ #gnu #linux		Jan 22 18:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com \| Librem 15, the first free software GNU/Linux laptop, makes funding goal \| ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/ji45b ]		Jan 22 18:23
schestowitz	Interesting thread here	Jan 22 18:23
schestowitz	https://trisquel.info/en/forum/librem-15-freelibre-and-open-source-laptop-respects-your-essential-freedoms	Jan 22 18:23
schestowitz	Not likely to get Stallman's approval without libre bios. A Thinkpad with a compatible screen and libreboot is still the only option for your freedom. Rumours that glugglug may have libreboot on an x200 soon.....	Jan 22 18:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-trisquel.info \| Librem 15: A Free/Libre and Open Source Laptop That Respects Your Essential Freedoms \| Trisquel GNU/Linux - Run free! [ http://ur1.ca/j6meu ]		Jan 22 18:23
schestowitz	"	Jan 22 18:23
schestowitz	I think there has already been talk about removing nvidia	Jan 22 18:23
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/rgardler/status/557214252734242816	Jan 22 18:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rgardler: Moodle + Office 365: better together with new MS Open Tech open source plugins for education workflows http://t.co/GdmlO77h2A		Jan 22 18:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> msopentech.com \| Moodle + Office 365: better together with new MS Open Tech open source plugins for education workflows - MS Open Tech		Jan 22 18:30
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/558408115662913536	Jan 22 18:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz @rgardler Ice Tie! BTW, your secondary (internal in http://t.co/1csr7Kw6Nx) citation link doesn't work any more. (Censored?)		Jan 22 18:41
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schestowitz	Which link? I've just checked and all seem to work (external)	Jan 22 18:41
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/pixeldyne/status/558409232081367041	Jan 22 18:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pixeldyne: @schestowitz one day when House Atreides rules them		Jan 22 18:48
DaemonFC	MinceR, Well, Linux always is an escape pod from the Windowsverse.	Jan 22 18:48
DaemonFC	Possibly the best feature is none of that ridiculous Product Activation crap.	Jan 22 18:48
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5469635	Jan 22 18:49
schestowitz	"That is awesome actually. Reminds me of back around windows xp and 98 xD"	Jan 22 18:49
cubexyz	any operating system with full source code and available toolchain can get you out of the "windowsverse"	Jan 22 18:49
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/558410902580781057	Jan 22 18:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz @rgardler The citation link for the Bill Gates quotation.		Jan 22 18:50
schestowitz	Ah, yes, was removed by author, still in other sites	Jan 22 18:50
DaemonFC	I liked Windows a lot better when all it asked for was a serial number.	Jan 22 18:50
cubexyz	I never liked windows, not ever	Jan 22 18:50
schestowitz	Link fixed	Jan 22 18:52
cubexyz	Windows 2.0 was slow, before that, I can't say	Jan 22 18:53
cubexyz	win95 was a crash-o-matic	Jan 22 18:53
cubexyz	Gates probably got to the schools, and that's why we now have the current landscape	Jan 22 18:54
cubexyz	the unix wars didn't help either	Jan 22 18:56
cubexyz	to me the most natural successor to Bell Labs Unix is OpenBSD (or NetBSD or FreeBSD)	Jan 22 19:13
cubexyz	Linux is good too, is just one has to be selective about which distro to use	Jan 22 19:14
cubexyz	s/is/its/	Jan 22 19:14
cubexyz	Tim Paterson _lost_ his defamation law suit against Sir Harold Evans	Jan 22 19:27
cubexyz	Paterson copied the CP/M API, including the first 36 functions	Jan 22 19:28
cubexyz	so that's why you got the C: nonsense in windows	Jan 22 19:29
cubexyz	But Thompson's Unix was the template everyone copied later on	Jan 22 19:29
cubexyz	it's clearly the main influence, outside of Microsoft Windows	Jan 22 19:30
cubexyz	Stallman used it too	Jan 22 19:30
cubexyz	here's another good point about windows... and I've seen it a lot	Jan 22 19:47
cubexyz	"NO drivers beyond XP"	Jan 22 19:47
cubexyz	upgrade treadmill is maintained	Jan 22 19:48
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MinceR	msb_: good thing russians didn't commit mass murders -- oh wait, they did.	Jan 23 01:15
MinceR	000241 < msb_> It annexed Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Ukraine.	Jan 23 01:16
MinceR	wrong, look up what annexation means.	Jan 23 01:16
msb_	MinceR: Too bad you live in the past and can;t comprehend what's going on now.	Jan 23 01:17
msb_	MinceR: I was being metaphorical.	Jan 23 01:17
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea#2014_Crimean_crisis_and_Russian_control	Jan 23 01:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Crimea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/ji9rq ]		Jan 23 01:20
msb_	"Following contested referenda in which an overwhelming majority indicated a desire to join the Russian Federation, Russia signed a treaty of accession with the self-declared independent Republic of Crimea, absorbing it into the Russian Federation"	Jan 23 01:21
msb_	MinceR: So the people of Crimea wanted their country to be annexed by Russia.	Jan 23 01:22
msb_	The Crimeans, and many others in Ukraine, did not want to live under the Nazi coup government.	Jan 23 01:26
msb_	http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine/5371554	Jan 23 01:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca \| The U.S. has Installed a Neo-Nazi Government in Ukraine \| Global Research [ http://ur1.ca/ji3em ]		Jan 23 01:26
msb_	MinceR: Do you like that government? In your hatred of socialism, do you favor fascism?	Jan 23 01:27
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MinceR	msb_: the same is going on now as in the past	Jan 23 01:36
msb_	MinceR: That's very vague. Please be specific.	Jan 23 01:39
MinceR	russia built itself an empire; fucked up its economy, lost some of its empire	Jan 23 01:39
MinceR	then it did a bit of pretending to be democratic	Jan 23 01:39
MinceR	then started rebuilding its empire	Jan 23 01:39
MinceR	msb_: in your hatred of fascism, do you favor fascism?	Jan 23 01:40
MinceR	072238 < msb_> MinceR: So the people of Crimea wanted their country to be annexed by Russia.	Jan 23 01:40
MinceR	no they didn't, they "voted" at gunpoint.	Jan 23 01:40
MinceR	russia occupied crimea and then held a sham referendum	Jan 23 01:41
MinceR	had russia been beaten into submission like nazi germany was, we could be a lot safer. but it wasn't.	Jan 23 01:42
msb_	give proof of crimeans voting at gunpoint	Jan 23 01:42
MinceR	read the news	Jan 23 01:42
msb_	any proof in the non-corporate news?	Jan 23 01:43
MinceR	do your fake "news	Jan 23 01:43
MinceR	do your fake "news" sites claim russia didn't occupy crimea?	Jan 23 01:43
msb_	why do you call globalresearch.ca fake?	Jan 23 01:44
msb_	and you did not give proof of crimeans voting at gunpoint	Jan 23 01:45
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Crimean_crisis	Jan 23 01:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| 2014 Crimean crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/jia5k ]		Jan 23 01:46
MinceR	The ensuing 16 March 2014 referendum on whether to join Russia, held while the peninsula was occupied by Russian soldiers,[46]	Jan 23 01:47
msb_	was it a secret ballot?	Jan 23 01:47
msb_	When I asked if you favored the Nazi coup govt of Ukraine, you responded with nonsense. " in your hatred of fascism, do you favor fascism?"	Jan 23 01:49
MinceR	it's not nonsense, your position is nonsense	Jan 23 01:49
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MinceR	you support a totalitarian fascist dictatorship by handwaving and saying "but the other guys are bad too!"	Jan 23 01:49
MinceR	which is a non-sequitur	Jan 23 01:50
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msb_	MinceR: I'm glad you now have a country you can move to. Sieg Heil!	Jan 23 01:50
msb_	http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine/5371554	Jan 23 01:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca \| The U.S. has Installed a Neo-Nazi Government in Ukraine \| Global Research [ http://ur1.ca/ji3em ]		Jan 23 01:51
msb_	MinceR: did you read that article?	Jan 23 01:51
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MinceR	msb_: you had a country you could move to for about 100 years now	Jan 23 01:52
msb_	MinceR: did you read that article?	Jan 23 01:53
MinceR	i didn't	Jan 23 01:53
msb_	Please do.	Jan 23 01:53
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cubexyz	ah, ok... it was coherent that got the source code released	Jan 23 02:51
cubexyz	someone was looking for Unix v3.51	Jan 23 02:51
cubexyz	which was Convergent's proprietary port of Unix	Jan 23 02:52
cubexyz	ha, funny	Jan 23 02:53
cubexyz	I'm not sure there's any source code for a Unix System V	Jan 23 02:54
cubexyz	oh yeah now I remember...	Jan 23 02:57
cubexyz	there was a System V for PDP-11	Jan 23 02:57
cubexyz	and there was an AT&T unix system V release 4...	Jan 23 02:58
cubexyz	I think that could run on a 386	Jan 23 03:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Aptik Backups Your Favorite PPAs/Themes And	Jan 23 03:05
TweetTuxMachines	Icons/App Settings In Ubuntu/Linux Mint	Jan 23 03:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Aptik Backups Your Favorite PPAs/Themes And Icons/App Settings In Ubuntu/Linux Mint \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 03:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Librem 15, the first free software GNU/Linux	Jan 23 03:05
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by laptop, makes funding goal	Jan 23 03:05
TweetTuxMachines	@SerbianLinuks http://t.co/zVsWjXJFrS (www.zdnet.com)	Jan 23 03:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tizen OS 2.3 Samsung Z1 Review	Jan 23 05:42
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by http://t.co/weITCG3OEC (www.tizenexperts.com)	Jan 23 05:42
TweetTuxMachines	@SerbianLinuks	Jan 23 05:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Meizu m1 mini to come in Ubuntu flavour claim	Jan 23 06:00
TweetTuxMachines	latest leaks http://t.co/NfP7Kiu9QW	Jan 23 06:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hoogland Expounds and Ticking off Linus	Jan 23 06:00
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/60AzXUwjMG (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 06:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines PC-BSD 10.1.1 To Bring New System Updater, Qt5	Jan 23 06:00
TweetTuxMachines	Utilities http://t.co/VbOuzfflcP	Jan 23 06:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu GNOME 15.04 Alpha 2 Is Out and Based on	Jan 23 06:01
TweetTuxMachines	GNOME 3.14 – Screenshot Tour	Jan 23 06:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kubuntu 15.04 Alpha 2 Is the Most Exciting	Jan 23 06:01
TweetTuxMachines	Release in a Long Time – Screenshot Tour	Jan 23 06:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Meizu m1 mini to come in Ubuntu flavour claim	Jan 23 06:16
TweetTuxMachines	latest leaks http://t.co/EpsGCd6PDQ	Jan 23 06:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Shadow Warrior Might Be Getting a Linux Version	Jan 23 06:16
TweetTuxMachines	Soon	Jan 23 06:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/swMoWKJUkA (linux.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 06:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Dying Light From Techland Has A Little Hint	Jan 23 06:21
TweetTuxMachines	About Linux Support http://t.co/4BEmsCOtz1	Jan 23 06:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Dell Venue 8 7000 review: A distinctive and	Jan 23 06:21
TweetTuxMachines	premium Android tablet http://t.co/ZVtFFpuO87	Jan 23 06:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 10 Material Design Android apps you should be	Jan 23 06:46
TweetTuxMachines	using right now http://t.co/tM4adLl666	Jan 23 06:46
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Supporting Android in the enterprise is no	Jan 23 06:47
TweetTuxMachines	longer optional, it is necessary."	Jan 23 06:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google’s Nexus Player Android TV streaming box	Jan 23 06:47
TweetTuxMachines	about to go retail https://t.co/j4CRgwen8z	Jan 23 06:47
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schestowitz	The founder of moodle has just read and favourited my analysis of MSMoodle	Jan 23 06:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Lubuntu 15.04 Could Be the Last One Based on	Jan 23 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	LXDE , New Alpha Is Out – Gallery	Jan 23 06:50
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Lubuntu 15.04 Could Be the Last One Based on	Jan 23 06:51
TweetTuxMachines	LXDE, New Alpha Is Out – Gallery	Jan 23 06:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Dell Venue 8 7000 review: A distinctive and	Jan 23 06:51
TweetTuxMachines	premium Android tablet http://t.co/qjl8fIXHd5	Jan 23 06:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Leftovers http://t.co/EOWYEj9DXc	Jan 23 06:51
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schestowitz	>> > The founder of moodle has just read and favourited my analysis of MSMoodle	Jan 23 06:53
schestowitz	> There's hope then if he is not outnumbered. Good work. Your writing	Jan 23 06:53
schestowitz	> has positive impact around the net.	Jan 23 06:53
schestowitz	Some Twitter users have been retweeting this. Notice also how many people have read my Blackboard analyses over the years; I never quite understood this, but I reckoned I stepped in a scandal (Moodlerooms buyout).	Jan 23 06:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 11 technologies that tick off Linus Torvalds	Jan 23 07:00
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/JtKMxs9w0Y (www.itworld.com)	Jan 23 07:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines IBM and Top Linux Distros Team Up to Drag x86	Jan 23 07:01
TweetTuxMachines	Workloads Onto Power http://t.co/Dn3dNxMuBs	Jan 23 07:01
TweetTuxMachines	(www.datacenterknowledge.com)	Jan 23 07:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu GNOME 15.04 Alpha 2 Is Out and Based on	Jan 23 07:01
TweetTuxMachines	GNOME 3.14 – Screenshot Tour	Jan 23 07:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kubuntu 15.04 Alpha 2 Is the Most Exciting	Jan 23 07:36
TweetTuxMachines	Release in a Long Time – Screenshot Tour	Jan 23 07:36
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/d20MmGgEFe (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 07:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Kubuntu 15.04 Alpha 2 Is the Most Exciting Release in a Long Time – Screenshot Tour - Softpedia		Jan 23 07:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines An introduction to Docker	Jan 23 07:36
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/b7mjiiKD6t (opensource.com)	Jan 23 07:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jifao	Jan 23 07:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| Learning about Docker and Linux containers \| Opensource.com		Jan 23 07:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Great Linux propaganda posters	Jan 23 07:36
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ZPRSH7r6xm (www.itworld.com)	Jan 23 07:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jifap	Jan 23 07:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com \| Great Linux propaganda posters \| ITworld		Jan 23 07:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 11 technologies that tick off Linus Torvalds	Jan 23 08:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/uSyeqIkXsf (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 08:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jig9k	Jan 23 08:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 11 technologies that tick off Linus Torvalds \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 08:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 Standalone Linux Tests	Jan 23 08:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/v7XuGv8ERq (www.phoronix.com)	Jan 23 08:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jig9m	Jan 23 08:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 Standalone Linux Tests - Phoronix		Jan 23 08:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 Standalone Linux Tests	Jan 23 08:44
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TXrdEGjTwe (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 08:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jig9n	Jan 23 08:44
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MinceR	geekings	Jan 23 12:47
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MinceR	geekings	Jan 23 12:49
MinceR	oh, i said it already	Jan 23 12:49
MinceR	nvm	Jan 23 12:49
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MinceR	https://narf-archive.com/pix/4d67f27b4bc3d69e3ea5567b2699ee498c27fb04.jpeg	Jan 23 13:38
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schestowitz	[22:29] <MinceR> "did i turn off the gas?" https://33.media.tumblr.com/7ac3ba4baf30160ee43f00f319e00d74/tumblr_nijw3p2UDg1rc7lcoo1_400.gif	Jan 23 14:27
schestowitz	LOL	Jan 23 14:27
schestowitz	[16:12] <Sosumi> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/hands-on-with-hololens-making-the-virtual-real/	Jan 23 14:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Hands-on: Microsoft’s HoloLens is flat-out magical \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/jhzzr ]		Jan 23 14:27
schestowitz	Conde Nasty	Jan 23 14:27
schestowitz	I hardly have to click it, I can guess it's Microsoft Peter ads	Jan 23 14:28
Sosumi	yep	Jan 23 14:28
Sosumi	it is	Jan 23 14:28
schestowitz	DrPizza is not trying to pretend to be a journalist	Jan 23 14:28
DrPizza	;_;	Jan 23 14:28
schestowitz	His bio gives away his role in Conde Nasty, which become a gates and Microsoft powerhouse for whitewashing some years back	Jan 23 14:28
schestowitz	Emil used to do that for years	Jan 23 14:28
Sosumi	no idea, I've been only following arstechnica since 2009	Jan 23 14:29
schestowitz	!google churnalism	Jan 23 14:29
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Churnalism \| Search \| http://churnalism.com/	Jan 23 14:29
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Churnalism \| Frequently Asked Questions \| http://churnalism.com/faq	Jan 23 14:29
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Churnalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia \| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churnalism	Jan 23 14:29
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Churnalism US - a project of Sunlight Foundation \| http://sunlightfoundation.com/tools/churnalism-us/	Jan 23 14:29
schestowitz	Sosumi: it used to be very good	Jan 23 14:30
schestowitz	some parts still are very good	Jan 23 14:30
Sosumi	but I haven't been pleased with the changes they did since then	Jan 23 14:30
schestowitz	"Churnalism is a form of journalism in which press releases, wire stories and other forms of pre-packaged material are used to create articles in newspapers and other news media in order to meet increasing pressures of time and cost without undertaking further research or checking.[1] The neologism "churnalism" has been credited to BBC journalist Waseem Zakir who coined the term in 2008."	Jan 23 14:30
Sosumi	well since 2011 or so	Jan 23 14:31
schestowitz	"In 2011, the Daily Mail reported that under former editor of The Sun and News of the World, Rebekah Brooks, "Scores, if not hundreds, of front-page stories were written by the PR men. They would think up a headline and story and The Sun and News of the World would run it, word for word. Some of them were complete fiction. Meanwhile, proper stories by proper journalists were buried deep inside the paper."[9]"	Jan 23 14:31
Sosumi	when they kind of shifted away	Jan 23 14:31
schestowitz	I'm not going to suggest that peter edits ghostwritten articles	Jan 23 14:31
schestowitz	because that might be offensive	Jan 23 14:31
Sosumi	typing out loud	Jan 23 14:32
Sosumi	:)	Jan 23 14:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines PC-BSD Releases Updated Lumina Desktop	Jan 23 14:41
TweetTuxMachines	Environment http://t.co/LVORp8l2rq	Jan 23 14:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 14:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jiln8	Jan 23 14:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.1 beta available on	Jan 23 14:41
TweetTuxMachines	IBM Power Platform http://t.co/cEUKX9qwH2	Jan 23 14:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linuxjournal.com)	Jan 23 14:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxjournal.com \| Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.1 beta available on IBM Power Platform \| Linux Journal		Jan 23 14:41
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/barachoix/status/558710465878978560	Jan 23 14:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@barachoix: @schestowitz In Canada it seems like all the TV news includes churnalism (http://t.co/X5pX1AGsGN) Same PR advert on every supper news show.		Jan 23 14:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> en.m.wikipedia.org \| Churnalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Jan 23 14:49
schestowitz	Not just Canada	Jan 23 14:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE 15.04 Alpha 2 Has Default Compiz	Jan 23 14:55
TweetTuxMachines	Support, All Things Must Wobble – Gallery	Jan 23 14:55
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/b8EZo3XDDk (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 14:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jilur	Jan 23 14:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu MATE 15.04 Alpha 2 Has Default Compiz Support, All Things Must Wobble – Gallery - Softpedia		Jan 23 14:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Weekend Viewing: Catch up on LCA 2015	Jan 23 14:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ndOsCUJzTA (www.techrepublic.com)	Jan 23 14:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jilus	Jan 23 14:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techrepublic.com \| Weekend Viewing: Catch up on LCA 2015 - TechRepublic		Jan 23 14:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linus Torvalds to Patch the Kernel for a	Jan 23 14:56
TweetTuxMachines	Witcher 2 Problem http://t.co/M8l7NVHUeQ	Jan 23 14:56
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 14:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Linus Torvalds to Patch the Kernel for a Witcher 2 Problem - Softpedia		Jan 23 14:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Dying Light Is an FPS Zombie Survival Game and	Jan 23 15:10
TweetTuxMachines	It Might Get a Linux Release	Jan 23 15:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/AH2nUzxrL6 (news.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 15:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Dying Light Is an FPS Zombie Survival Game and It Might Get a Linux Release - Softpedia		Jan 23 15:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Companies That Support Linux: Planisys	Jan 23 15:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/hPivwSLqOl (www.linux.com)	Jan 23 15:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jim2i	Jan 23 15:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com \| The Companies That Support Linux: Planisys \| Linux.com		Jan 23 15:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tizen Starts 2015 With a Bang	Jan 23 15:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/HRGfeXsjUM (www.linux.com)	Jan 23 15:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jim2l	Jan 23 15:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com \| Tizen Starts 2015 With a Bang \| Linux.com		Jan 23 15:11
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5467228	Jan 23 15:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@skipstein@diasp.org: These muslim savages are cowards and only strike at unarmed and defenseless citizens. IT may be the very reason we don't see as much of this type of violence here, but in the unarmed capital of NY and other 'no gun' zones/states, we may see it. GUN UP AMERICA! http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/01/19/french-police-gun-control-isnt-working-for-us/		Jan 23 15:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.breitbart.com \| French Police: Gun Control Isn't Working for Us - Breitbart [ http://ur1.ca/jhywy ]		Jan 23 15:20
schestowitz	"True, not JUST muslim but the majority are muslim radicals back by most muslims, quietly and financially in the background."	Jan 23 15:20
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5469831	Jan 23 15:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://twitter.com/aleeharissi/status/558416154448785408		Jan 23 15:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@aleeharissi: #Saudi King Abdullah who died earlier tonight was about 90 years old. Here is a photo of him with George W Bush http://t.co/VenC74WiKr		Jan 23 15:21
schestowitz	"The one in the picture, looks much older than the Saudi king."	Jan 23 15:21
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5471266	Jan 23 15:22
schestowitz	"The day that Steve Jobs passed away was the day Apple started it's permanent descent into hell."	Jan 23 15:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: ‘It just works’? Not so for too many #Apple users http://www.infoworld.com/article/2873356/applications/for-too-many-apple-users-it-doesnt-just-work.html		Jan 23 15:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.infoworld.com \| ‘It just works’? Not so for too many Apple users \| InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/jidud ]		Jan 23 15:22
schestowitz	"indeed- many dismiss him as basically a great marketing man and little else. But his focus on quality control was important."	Jan 23 15:22
schestowitz	Quality control as in blaming users for antenna issues :-)	Jan 23 15:22
MinceR	It Just Fails(tm)	Jan 23 15:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Shipping News: Docker 1.5rc1 arrives in port …	Jan 23 15:24
TweetTuxMachines	NOW! http://t.co/N3QPMFRSiK	Jan 23 15:24
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theregister.co.uk)	Jan 23 15:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Shipping News: Docker 1.5rc1 arrives in port … NOW! • The Register		Jan 23 15:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jim9r	Jan 23 15:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Companies That Support Linux: Planisys	Jan 23 15:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/5Eh5ECwGD9 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 15:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jim9u	Jan 23 15:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Companies That Support Linux: Planisys \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 15:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Sub-$100 Cortex-A5 dev board accepts Arduino	Jan 23 15:24
TweetTuxMachines	shields http://t.co/QmAWlhcuvk	Jan 23 15:24
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 15:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jim9z	Jan 23 15:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tizen Starts 2015 With a Bang	Jan 23 15:48
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/EoHR9ZQFJA (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 15:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jimmq	Jan 23 15:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Tizen Starts 2015 With a Bang \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 15:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google just made it easier to run Linux on your	Jan 23 15:49
TweetTuxMachines	Chromebook http://t.co/6TvpwuE6c2	Jan 23 15:49
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 15:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jimmu	Jan 23 15:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Google just made it easier to run Linux on your Chromebook \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 15:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines It's Windows 10, Because It's 10 Years Behind	Jan 23 15:49
TweetTuxMachines	Open Source http://t.co/Ux8Xoj0831	Jan 23 15:49
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 15:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jimmv	Jan 23 15:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| It's Windows 10, Because It's 10 Years Behind Open Source \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 15:49
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Vadgama_/status/558728782832730112	Jan 23 15:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Vadgama_: @schestowitz Let's not speak ill of the dead, The cunt is someone's father, husband to many wives & chief funder of terrorism King #Abdullah		Jan 23 15:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Screenshots of MATE 15.04 Vivid Vervet Alpha 2	Jan 23 16:18
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/WDkpDV9tRl (www.webupd8.org)	Jan 23 16:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jin29	Jan 23 16:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.webupd8.org \| Ubuntu MATE 15.04 Vivid Vervet Alpha 2 Released ~ Web Upd8: Ubuntu / Linux blog		Jan 23 16:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Benchmarks Of NVIDIA's Early 2015 GeForce	Jan 23 16:18
TweetTuxMachines	Line-Up http://t.co/6bq9uMNa7N	Jan 23 16:18
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Jan 23 16:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Linux Benchmarks Of NVIDIA's Early 2015 GeForce Line-Up - Phoronix		Jan 23 16:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jin2b	Jan 23 16:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wine Announcement https://t.co/tfyCsLeO0T	Jan 23 16:18
TweetTuxMachines	(www.winehq.org)	Jan 23 16:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jin2c	Jan 23 16:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.winehq.org \| WineHQ - Wine Announcement - The Wine development release 1.7.35 is now available.		Jan 23 16:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines It's Windows 10, Because It's 10 Years Behind	Jan 23 16:26
TweetTuxMachines	Open Source http://t.co/EUrSpMWCJk	Jan 23 16:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.computerworlduk.com)	Jan 23 16:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jin7g	Jan 23 16:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.computerworlduk.com \| It's Windows 10, Because It's 10 Years Behind Open Source - Technology Blog and Community from IT Experts - ComputerworldUK.com		Jan 23 16:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samba Updated for Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and Ubuntu	Jan 23 16:26
TweetTuxMachines	14.10	Jan 23 16:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kbgQdkl0dv (linux.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 16:26
TweetTuxMachines	tackling	Jan 23 16:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Samba Updated for Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and Ubuntu 14.10 - Softpedia		Jan 23 16:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jin7h	Jan 23 16:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google just made it easier to run Linux on your	Jan 23 16:26
TweetTuxMachines	Chromebook http://t.co/Ww1jP7e9lu	Jan 23 16:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.pcworld.com)	Jan 23 16:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com \| Google just made it easier to run Linux on your Chromebook \| PCWorld		Jan 23 16:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jin7i	Jan 23 16:26
MinceR	i thought it ran by default :>	Jan 23 16:27
schestowitz	yeah	Jan 23 16:28
schestowitz	they mean KDE ro GNOME or something	Jan 23 16:28
*TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Google just made it easier to run Linux...'		Jan 23 16:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Sub-$100 Cortex-A5 dev board accepts Arduino	Jan 23 16:33
TweetTuxMachines	shields http://t.co/7BzhlsX9aN	Jan 23 16:33
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Jan 23 16:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Sub-$100 Cortex-A5 dev board accepts Arduino shields		Jan 23 16:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jinaj	Jan 23 16:33
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/KomalPorwal/status/558742194992214017	Jan 23 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KomalPorwal: @schestowitz Oil surges after Saudi King’s death [http://t.co/reAW7AhG4C]		Jan 23 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.newsroompost.com \| Oil surges after Saudi King's death - NewsroomPost		Jan 23 16:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Review: Two Android Wear Watches That Are	Jan 23 16:53
TweetTuxMachines	(Almost) Worth Buying https://t.co/rNqJeY9Uou	Jan 23 16:53
TweetTuxMachines	(www.yahoo.com)	Jan 23 16:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jinnk	Jan 23 16:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.yahoo.com \| Review: Two Android Wear Watches That Are (Almost) Worth Buying		Jan 23 16:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 'Windows Must Go Open Source': What Happened?	Jan 23 16:53
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/SSXHn4NAfU (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 16:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jinnt	Jan 23 16:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 'Windows Must Go Open Source': What Happened? \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 16:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samba Updated for Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and Ubuntu	Jan 23 16:53
TweetTuxMachines	14.10 http://t.co/R1nb4pjrqR	Jan 23 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jinny	Jan 23 16:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Samba Updated for Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and Ubuntu 14.10 \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 16:54
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/kaatje36/status/558748998920851456	Jan 23 17:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kaatje36: @schestowitz I hear the new one suffers from dementia....		Jan 23 17:12
schestowitz	A king in diapers.. at least not a naked emperor	Jan 23 17:13
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/kaatje36/status/558749558474571776	Jan 23 17:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kaatje36: @schestowitz lolol, I just spit my wine at the screen :D		Jan 23 17:17
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Thomas_Drake1/status/558666015513804802	Jan 23 17:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Thomas_Drake1: .@RonWyden "Buying a smartphone shouldn’t be interpreted as giving the gov't a free pass to track your movements” http://t.co/ZQYE00CCPk		Jan 23 17:20
schestowitz	Not only so-called smartphones (buzzword) do this, the carrier does this to all phones (for many years in UK now)	Jan 23 17:20
MinceR	hijacked buzzword	Jan 23 17:21
MinceR	used to mean a mobile phone that is also a general-purpose computer	Jan 23 17:21
MinceR	now to most people it just means mobile phone with touchscreen	Jan 23 17:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wine Announcement http://t.co/tkOad0v9C9	Jan 23 17:24
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 17:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jio63	Jan 23 17:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Wine Announcement \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 17:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Benchmarks Of NVIDIA's Early 2015 GeForce	Jan 23 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	Line-Up http://t.co/4JsDJzCKWu	Jan 23 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jio65	Jan 23 17:25
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/kevskewl/status/558752302228865024	Jan 23 17:26
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XFaCE	schestowitz: MinceR http://valleywag.gawker.com/linus-torvalds-does-not-give-a-shit-about-you-1680004895	Jan 23 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-valleywag.gawker.com \| Linus Torvalds Does Not Give A Shit About You And Your Dumb Opinions [ http://ur1.ca/jio7z ]		Jan 23 17:28
MinceR	that's fine, i don't give a shit about his, either :>	Jan 23 17:28
XFaCE	MinceR: To be fair, he is absolutely right here	Jan 23 17:28
XFaCE	MinceR: I especially love the social activist they mentioned trying to get Linus forced out of Linux development	Jan 23 17:28
XFaCE	aHAHAHA	Jan 23 17:28
MinceR	is this the SJW thing?	Jan 23 17:29
XFaCE	seriously	Jan 23 17:29
XFaCE	MinceR: yeper	Jan 23 17:29
MinceR	yeah, i don't care for that	Jan 23 17:29
XFaCE	MinceR: oh, the article describes one	Jan 23 17:29
XFaCE	MinceR: but it isn't an sjw article	Jan 23 17:29
MinceR	and if the activist thinks they can do a better Linux without Linus, they can fork it and try their hand at it	Jan 23 17:29
XFaCE	MinceR: "Linus actually did something useful with his life. Shanley Kane is another opinionated nobody with a Twitter microphone."	Jan 23 17:29
XFaCE	end of story	Jan 23 17:29
XFaCE	MinceR: Or try to out-commit Linus	Jan 23 17:30
XFaCE	you know, actually do work	Jan 23 17:30
MinceR	if i forked Linux, it would be for an entirely different reason, though	Jan 23 17:30
XFaCE	MinceR: Feminix?	Jan 23 17:30
MinceR	no, to keep crap such as kdbus and hype-V out	Jan 23 17:30
MinceR	but for now, not compiling them in will suffice, i guess	Jan 23 17:31
XFaCE	MinceR: let's not mix real issues and fake take-offense issues	Jan 23 17:31
MinceR	indeed	Jan 23 17:32
XFaCE	MinceR: unfortuately, these linus-whiners distract	Jan 23 17:33
XFaCE	fortunately, linus is holding his ground	Jan 23 17:33
XFaCE	MinceR: they now have to deal with a personality they can't just shame into agreement	Jan 23 17:33
MinceR	:>	Jan 23 17:34
XFaCE	MinceR: why do you have to smile like that?	Jan 23 17:37
MinceR	just because	Jan 23 17:37
XFaCE	MinceR: Are you benedict Cumberbatch or something? http://i.imgur.com/U1Jq0MA.jpg	Jan 23 17:38
abeNd-org	MinceR: granted hyperv isnt used in too many enterprise environments, it is used, & linux is used in such environments, why would you want hyperv support stripped?	Jan 23 17:38
abeNd-org	wouldnt you want linux compatible with enterprise environments?	Jan 23 17:38
MinceR	XFaCE: no	Jan 23 17:39
XFaCE	MinceR: that was a joke	Jan 23 17:39
MinceR	abeNd-org: microsoft filth does not belong in a real OS, especially not when it's duplicating preexisting virtio functionality	Jan 23 17:39
MinceR	abeNd-org: if your idea of an "enterprise environment" is the failure parody of AD and Exchange, have fun with it, i don't want to have anything to do with	Jan 23 17:40
MinceR	it	Jan 23 17:40
MinceR	also, if you're using hype-V, you're doing it wrong	Jan 23 17:41
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abeNd-org	MinceR: most of our hosts are esxi, very few are citrix xen, fewer yet hyperv, 0 are pure opensource	Jan 23 17:42
MinceR	sucks to be you	Jan 23 17:42
MinceR	XFaCE: the UPDATE is extra funny	Jan 23 17:43
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XFaCE	MinceR: update?	Jan 23 17:43
abeNd-org	my company is making money, & so are our clients	Jan 23 17:43
MinceR	XFaCE: at the bottom of the article	Jan 23 17:43
MinceR	abeNd-org: making money while losing sanity is well known to me	Jan 23 17:43
XFaCE	"UPDATE: ModelViewCulture CEO Shanley Kane has asked me to describe her not as a "diversity advocate" or "diversity activist" and to instead identify her as the co-founder and CEO of a media company that is better than the one I work for. According to its website, ModelViewCulture is "an independent media platform focused on the intersection of technology, culture and diversity." So: nothing to do with advocating for diversity then. I regret the error	Jan 23 17:44
XFaCE	, and have updated the post to reflect that."	Jan 23 17:44
XFaCE	lol	Jan 23 17:44
schestowitz	[22:25] <MinceR> now to most people it just means mobile phone with touchscreen	Jan 23 17:44
schestowitz	Good point	Jan 23 17:44
abeNd-org	MinceR: im not really seeing what the issue is with vmware, windows & linux works fine	Jan 23 17:44
XFaCE	hi schestowitz	Jan 23 17:44
schestowitz	or phone that costs more than $x	Jan 23 17:44
XFaCE	schestowitz: did you right about all the win10 updates yet?	Jan 23 17:44
XFaCE	*write	Jan 23 17:44
MinceR	abeNd-org: i've had more than enough issues with the first two	Jan 23 17:45
MinceR	and yes, Mandatory IE Edition will make it even worse	Jan 23 17:45
abeNd-org	MinceR: so what hypervisor should the world be going with instead?	Jan 23 17:46
schestowitz	XFaCE: I write about news	Jan 23 17:46
schestowitz	Vista 10 is not news	Jan 23 17:46
XFaCE	lol	Jan 23 17:46
schestowitz	MS has spoken about it for almost 2 years	Jan 23 17:46
MinceR	abeNd-org: KVM, for example	Jan 23 17:46
XFaCE	drops mike	Jan 23 17:46
schestowitz	the latest is marketing designed to bury bad news	Jan 23 17:46
schestowitz	I wrote two articles alluding to it yesterday	Jan 23 17:47
schestowitz	Michael Larabel watsed time and space doing an article about it	Jan 23 17:47
XFaCE	schestowitz: is there anything to the "holograms, etc."?	Jan 23 17:47
XFaCE	in your opinion?	Jan 23 17:47
schestowitz	LXer also linked to some articles	Jan 23 17:47
XFaCE	schestowitz: or just more vapourware?	Jan 23 17:47
schestowitz	Glyn Moody had a decent comeback hours ago...	Jan 23 17:47
schestowitz	[pulling]	Jan 23 17:47
schestowitz	XFaCE: marketing hype, ask DrPizza	Jan 23 17:48
schestowitz	He's part of the marketing squad for it	Jan 23 17:48
DrPizza	hurrr	Jan 23 17:48
XFaCE	schestowitz: I thought he was Apple	Jan 23 17:48
schestowitz	judging by his latest puff piece	Jan 23 17:48
XFaCE	who is DrPizza anyway?	Jan 23 17:48
schestowitz	Peter Bright	Jan 23 17:48
MinceR	some m$ munchkin from Arse Technica	Jan 23 17:48
XFaCE	schestowitz: "Microsoft Peter"?	Jan 23 17:49
schestowitz	yes	Jan 23 17:49
XFaCE	ah	Jan 23 17:49
schestowitz	successor of Microsoft Emil	Jan 23 17:49
schestowitz	Their role at Conde Nast is not journalism	Jan 23 17:49
DrPizza	uh huh	Jan 23 17:50
schestowitz	They are Mirosoft boosters, their role is to repeat daily that Microsoft is so awesome and nothing is ever Microsoft's fault	Jan 23 17:50
schestowitz	Blame VP8, Google, whatever...	Jan 23 17:50
schestowitz	Always cleanse Microsoft of blame	Jan 23 17:50
schestowitz	and remember	Jan 23 17:50
schestowitz	Microsoft IS... Awesome!!	Jan 23 17:50
abeNd-org	heh, even the microsoft admins i work with don't say microsoft is awesome	Jan 23 17:52
abeNd-org	the only people who say that are not in IT, the C level folks	Jan 23 17:52
MinceR	i know someone who's supposedly in IT and loves every bit of m$	Jan 23 17:52
schestowitz	Some people do	Jan 23 17:53
abeNd-org	& IT decisions made on golf courses	Jan 23 17:53
schestowitz	because they feel comfortable defending what they know	Jan 23 17:53
MinceR	yeah, that's why we're where we are	Jan 23 17:53
schestowitz	Like Peter for example. He already pissed many people off	Jan 23 17:53
MinceR	smartphones dying, PC dying, IT dying	Jan 23 17:53
schestowitz	Like Opera, Linux folks, Mac folks...	Jan 23 17:53
abeNd-org	i dont know any pure zealots other than Cisco admins	Jan 23 17:53
MinceR	GNU/Linux infected with cancerd	Jan 23 17:53
schestowitz	Lack of objectivity and even gross distortion of facts leads to that	Jan 23 17:53
schestowitz	MinceR: is that under /etc/init.d/ ?	Jan 23 17:54
MinceR	afaik no	Jan 23 17:54
schestowitz	how does one start daemons with systemd?	Jan 23 17:54
schestowitz	systemd mysqld restart? :-p	Jan 23 17:54
schestowitz	it's all systemd now, not just init	Jan 23 17:55
schestowitz	even logs	Jan 23 17:55
schestowitz	I guess many scripts are going to get b0rked	Jan 23 17:55
schestowitz	admins to HAVE to learn some new methods from RHAT	Jan 23 17:55
MinceR	some systemctl command, for now	Jan 23 17:55
schestowitz	Like service NAME status	Jan 23 17:55
MinceR	but i'm sure they're itching to replace it with the "user-friendly" method of "reboot"	Jan 23 17:55
MinceR	i hear it's already the official way to restart dbus	Jan 23 17:56
schestowitz	I think dbus is mostly red hat maintained	Jan 23 17:56
schestowitz	gnome 3	Jan 23 17:56
MinceR	indeed	Jan 23 17:56
schestowitz	sorry, I mean, fedora... red hat likes to pretend to be "the community"	Jan 23 17:56
MinceR	they're currently conspiring to push it into the kernel	Jan 23 17:56
schestowitz	dbus?	Jan 23 17:57
MinceR	because they've adopted the windows nt design philosophy: "throw it into the kernel"	Jan 23 17:57
MinceR	yup	Jan 23 17:57
schestowitz	strange	Jan 23 17:58
schestowitz	loadable module?	Jan 23 17:58
schestowitz	or core part?	Jan 23 17:58
MinceR	hopefully module	Jan 23 17:58
MinceR	or whatever, hopefully optional	Jan 23 17:58
schestowitz	I guess they'll eventually package it all together as a distro anyway	Jan 23 17:58
schestowitz	many distros are now:	Jan 23 17:59
schestowitz	1) fedora derives (not many), more RHEL clones	Jan 23 17:59
schestowitz	2) debian-derives	Jan 23 17:59
schestowitz	3) ubuntu-derived	Jan 23 17:59
schestowitz	Then you have arch, gentoo, slack*	Jan 23 17:59
schestowitz	suse is dying	Jan 23 17:59
MinceR	most of them are going to become 'cancerd with a different wallpaper'	Jan 23 17:59
schestowitz	ubuntu with unity	Jan 23 18:00
schestowitz	plus mir	Jan 23 18:00
MinceR	actually i meant 'fedora with a different wallpaper', i think	Jan 23 18:00
schestowitz	freebsd wants something similar	Jan 23 18:00
schestowitz	fedora is not the desktop leader	Jan 23 18:01
MinceR	yeah, apparently they want to turn it into FreeOSX	Jan 23 18:01
schestowitz	debian is	Jan 23 18:01
MinceR	debian used to be the leader up to and including wheezy	Jan 23 18:01
MinceR	debian is dead	Jan 23 18:01
schestowitz	but ubuntu is based on it	Jan 23 18:01
MinceR	ubuntu is dead too	Jan 23 18:01
schestowitz	look what most distros are built around	Jan 23 18:01
schestowitz	ubuntu is very alive on servers	Jan 23 18:01
schestowitz	I deploy it a lot because I'm asked to	Jan 23 18:02
MinceR	soon debian and ubuntu will have no choice but to copy fedora/rh's every move	Jan 23 18:02
schestowitz	also on many desktops, but only selected companies	Jan 23 18:02
schestowitz	MinceR: maybe for kernel	Jan 23 18:02
schestowitz	ubuntu hardly does kernel stuff	Jan 23 18:02
MinceR	because the secrets in systemd have changed and everything depends on the latest change to the undocumented APIs	Jan 23 18:02
schestowitz	except its own, like mir for graphics	Jan 23 18:02
MinceR	we already had a company working in this way before	Jan 23 18:02
schestowitz	MinceR: oh	Jan 23 18:02
schestowitz	I forget about devuan	Jan 23 18:03
schestowitz	any word about it?	Jan 23 18:03
schestowitz	Silence for like a month now, since before xmas	Jan 23 18:03
MinceR	it seems to be progressing	Jan 23 18:03
MinceR	but i don't know much about where it is now	Jan 23 18:03
MinceR	hopefully it will be what debian used to be	Jan 23 18:03
schestowitz	maybe...	Jan 23 18:05
schestowitz	Will Ubuntu follow it? Doesn't sound like it..	Jan 23 18:05
MinceR	they've already decided to drop upstart and adopt systemd	Jan 23 18:05
MinceR	because debian's doing it	Jan 23 18:05
MinceR	and they're unwilling to do extra work	Jan 23 18:06
schestowitz	I think they did that before Debian's decision	Jan 23 18:06
schestowitz	the vote in Debian was several months later	Jan 23 18:06
schestowitz	but maybe canonical foresaw the outcome	Jan 23 18:06
MinceR	maybe they were told by the people who decided	Jan 23 18:06
MinceR	not that upstart wasn't a horrible mess	Jan 23 18:07
MinceR	with its disgusting abuse of SIGSTOP and SIGCONT (?)	Jan 23 18:07
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schestowitz	I know nothing about that abuse...	Jan 23 18:13
MinceR	afaik upstart-aware daemons suspend themselves when they're started and ready to serve	Jan 23 18:14
MinceR	then upstart notices this and resumes them	Jan 23 18:14
MinceR	if they're not on upstart, they'll just be suspended indefinitely, unless there's some way to tell them not to	Jan 23 18:14
MinceR	systemd-aware daemons instead depend on yet another library (or copy/paste code from it), which is also disgusting	Jan 23 18:15
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5474518	Jan 23 18:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Don't ever give #currys a real #email address. They'd say it's for warranty or something, but it's actually for them to #spam you.		Jan 23 18:21
schestowitz	"...........Along with lots of other places !!!"	Jan 23 18:21
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5471177	Jan 23 18:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: [Older] The #uk brought its #censorship equipment from #china http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23452097 Year of the ram, ramming free speech		Jan 23 18:22
schestowitz	"They have the know-how."	Jan 23 18:22
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schestowitz	UK trying to stay "ahead of of the curve" now	Jan 23 18:22
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schestowitz	MinceR: https://41.media.tumblr.com/34a522390921ed4bb63cec93ac5e85d0/tumblr_nia3uci5XB1qd65vgo1_1280.jpg	Jan 23 18:46
schestowitz	http://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1422055479612353_tall.jpg	Jan 23 18:46
MinceR	:>	Jan 23 18:47
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/WIRED/status/558755086382665728	Jan 23 18:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@WIRED: With its acquisition of Revolution Analytics, Microsoft continues to march toward open source http://t.co/I5AMlX1lEv		Jan 23 18:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.wired.com \| Microsoft Continues Its March Toward Open Source With Latest Acquisition \| WIRED		Jan 23 18:55
MinceR	better take up arms, then	Jan 23 18:55
schestowitz	More BS from Conde Nast, highly misleading headline openwashing anti-FOSS company for doing nothing FOSS here	Jan 23 18:56
cubexyz	I doubt microsoft will ever release their source code for windows	Jan 23 18:59
schestowitz	it'll maybe be left as abandonware soon	Jan 23 18:59
schestowitz	like old DOS and Win code	Jan 23 18:59
schestowitz	not FOSS	Jan 23 18:59
schestowitz	look but don't touch	Jan 23 18:59
cubexyz	no complete windows source I'm aware of in the wild	Jan 23 19:00
cubexyz	msdos, yes	Jan 23 19:00
cubexyz	any leaked BIOS source code is avoided by the coreboot folks	Jan 23 19:02
XFaCE	schestowitz: http://www.coindesk.com/bill-gates-bitcoin-alone-wont-solve-global-payments-challenges/	Jan 23 19:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.coindesk.com \| Bill Gates: Bitcoin Alone Won't Solve Global Payments Challenges [ http://ur1.ca/jiprh ]		Jan 23 19:02
XFaCE	Bill Gates is an expert in everything!	Jan 23 19:02
schestowitz	meh	Jan 23 19:03
MinceR	lol	Jan 23 19:03
schestowitz	Nothing about this article	Jan 23 19:03
schestowitz	except the name	Jan 23 19:03
XFaCE	yep	Jan 23 19:03
cubexyz	schestowitz, got it right, Gates is mainly about extraction and control	Jan 23 19:03
schestowitz	!google techrights gates economist	Jan 23 19:03
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cubexyz	well, I think FOSS is gaining traction, no doubt about it	Jan 23 19:05
MinceR	gn	Jan 23 19:05
cubexyz	things were "FOSSY" in the Unix v6 era	Jan 23 19:05
cubexyz	then AT&T tightened up on the license	Jan 23 19:05
MinceR	fossyl	Jan 23 19:06
XFaCE	https://falkvinge.net/2015/01/14/hilarious-activists-turn-tables-on-political-surveillance-hawks-wiretaps-them-with-honeypot-open-wi-fi-at-security-conference/	Jan 23 19:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-falkvinge.net \| Hilarious: Activists Turn Tables On Political Surveillance Hawks, Wiretap Them With Honeypot Open Wi-Fi At Security Conference - Falkvinge on Infopolicy [ http://ur1.ca/jiptk ]		Jan 23 19:06
cubexyz	so about 1975 to 1979 Unix was pretty open, after that it closes up until BSD/360 1.0 in 1993	Jan 23 19:09
cubexyz	the Dark Ages of computing... I'd say that was 1992 to 2000	Jan 23 19:10
cubexyz	from windows 3.1 to windows 2000	Jan 23 19:10
cubexyz	BSD/386 rather	Jan 23 19:10
cubexyz	then after 2000 Linux got some traction	Jan 23 19:10
cubexyz	of course 1979 to 1992 wasn't too great either	Jan 23 19:11
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cubexyz	Glyn Moody did a good job explaining things in "Rebel Code: Linux and the Open Source Revolution"	Jan 23 19:13
*TweetTuxMachines @slavisworld favourited 'Librem 15, the first free software GNU/Linux laptop,...'		Jan 23 19:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Meizu m1 mini to Launch with Ubuntu Touch –	Jan 23 19:45
TweetTuxMachines	Rumor http://t.co/NKArrCnv6S	Jan 23 19:45
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Jan 23 19:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Meizu m1 mini to Launch with Ubuntu Touch – Rumor - Softpedia		Jan 23 19:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jiqf1	Jan 23 19:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Meizu's Flyme OS, Yun OS, developed by	Jan 23 19:45
TweetTuxMachines	Alibaba, and Ubuntu. The stock Android version	Jan 23 19:45
TweetTuxMachines	was unexpected" http://t.co/yrHdctC4Mt	Jan 23 19:45
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gsmarena.com)	Jan 23 19:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jiqf2	Jan 23 19:45
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schestowitz	Jobs was a great and effective thief. His greatest achievement was putting polish on free software and turning it against the user. His second greatest achievement was cooperating with Microsoft to make sure no one else could do the same or better. I'm glad he's gone.	Jan 23 20:24
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5471266	Jan 23 20:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: ‘It just works’? Not so for too many #Apple users http://www.infoworld.com/article/2873356/applications/for-too-many-apple-users-it-doesnt-just-work.html		Jan 23 20:24
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5474644	Jan 23 20:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: James Bottomley who was #microsoft tool in #novell is now pushing #uefi 'secure boot' into #linux http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-Quark-EFITools-32-Bit		Jan 23 20:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.phoronix.com \| EFITools Ported To 32-Bit To Work With Secure Boot On Intel's Quark SoC - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/jiqzm ]		Jan 23 20:25
schestowitz	"Good idea ... maybe it can be a systemd thing."	Jan 23 20:25
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5474120	Jan 23 20:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: People who say you can install #gnu #linux on #chromebooks often show ignorance because Chromebooks come with GNU/Linux, just different DE		Jan 23 20:25
schestowitz	"There are a lot of desktop environments and distributions that can be labelled GNU/Linux, I'm not sure ChromeOS is one of them. It definitely uses a modified Linux kernel they release under GPL 2. Mostly I'm stuck on the GNU part as Android does not use glibc. I believe all their middleware is licensed under an Apache license."	Jan 23 20:25
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5473441	Jan 23 20:26
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schestowitz	"	Jan 23 20:26
schestowitz	But the history is written by the winners, or in this case by governments to fit their agenda so now Ukrainians are the ones that "liberated" concentration camps.	Jan 23 20:26
schestowitz	I guess survivors would like to say thanks to the new Nazi Ukrainian government.	Jan 23 20:26
schestowitz	"	Jan 23 20:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 23/1/2015: Red Hat on IBM Power, Meizu	Jan 23 20:27
TweetTuxMachines	Leaks With Ubuntu http://t.co/AWjfRGgv0J	Jan 23 20:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Federal Agencies Using Open Source Solutions	Jan 23 20:27
TweetTuxMachines	More Satisfied with Cloud Security: MeriTalk	Jan 23 20:27
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/JcHD9E6atW (www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 20:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/jir0i	Jan 23 20:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Federal Agencies Using Open Source Solutions More Satisfied with Cloud Security: MeriTalk \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 20:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/PNGGrXeAvP	Jan 23 20:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Jan 23 20:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Jan 23 20:27
cubexyz	heard a new term today: "freeium minefield"	Jan 23 21:16
cubexyz	it's when something is proported to be free but it's actually adware or nagware or worse	Jan 23 21:16
cubexyz	usually it's in the form of some anti-virus software	Jan 23 21:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/s2JCBp0eFX	Jan 23 21:20
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msb_	What theories do people here have as to WHY almost all distros have adopted systemd even though it violates fundamental Unix design principles and unexpectedly forces changes in apps? The only reasons I've seen are to deal with non-deterministic sequencing of I/O equipment events, but that can be done without systemd's violations and coercions. The only answer I've seen is on an anti-systemd site, and involves RH and its big customer	Jan 23 21:24
msb_	the US govt -- a "conspiracy theory".	Jan 23 21:24
cubexyz	well the main reason goes back to GNU -> Gnu's Not Unix	Jan 23 21:25
cubexyz	so they don't really hold Unix principles as sacred	Jan 23 21:25
msb_	What force has been brought to bear on these distros?	Jan 23 21:25
cubexyz	good question	Jan 23 21:26
msb_	But these principles are obviously good design regardless of one's ideas about Unix.	Jan 23 21:26
cubexyz	You'll probably need to ask the distro maintainers directly	Jan 23 21:27
cubexyz	it has happened before...	Jan 23 21:27
cubexyz	BSD Vs AT&T	Jan 23 21:28
cubexyz	bsd init vs sysv	Jan 23 21:28
msb_	Since they've all done it at about the same time, I think there's something sinister going on and I wouldn't get a straight answer.	Jan 23 21:28
cubexyz	systemd is the new shiny thing	Jan 23 21:30
msb_	cubexyz: You mention a couple of big changes (which I'm not familiar with), but did they cause anywhere near as much damage?	Jan 23 21:30
cubexyz	msb_, sure... the Unix Wars... it messed up Unix for a long time	Jan 23 21:31
msb_	How is systemd shiny?	Jan 23 21:31
cubexyz	that's probably why most of us are using Linux and not BSD (excluding myself, I use both)	Jan 23 21:31
cubexyz	the AT&T lawsuit delayed BSD uptake by at least 3 years	Jan 23 21:32
cubexyz	msb_, I'm not saying systemd is good, just that it's the 'new thing'	Jan 23 21:32
cubexyz	I'm not a 'new thing' person... I still muck around with Unix v5 :)	Jan 23 21:33
msb_	Wow, never heard of that! Just like MS and SCO.	Jan 23 21:33
cubexyz	Dennis Ritchie himself hounded the Coherent Unix guys	Jan 23 21:33
cubexyz	making sure no one used AT&T code	Jan 23 21:34
cubexyz	yes, it's similar to MS and SCO	Jan 23 21:34
msb_	So this was to make money for AT&T.	Jan 23 21:34
cubexyz	sure...	Jan 23 21:35
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/unix-system-v-prices-1983.pdf	Jan 23 21:35
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msb_	But with systemd the motivation must be different. RH isn't going to make money from it. Linux is all free. But what's going on in the world is that the US did the 911 false-flag attack and has used that as the excuse to destroy several nations and murder millions of people. And people all over the world are protesting about this via the Internet.	Jan 23 21:38
msb_	And the psychopathic mass murderers doing these horrors must be worried that communication via the Net will help overthrow them just like samizdat via carbon-paper and mimeograph machines helped overthrow the USSR.	Jan 23 21:40
cubexyz	I'm not too worried about systemd as I use older linux (sysv) and openbsd (bsd init)	Jan 23 21:40
msb_	So if these monsters can get control of the free software that is so important to Net operation...	Jan 23 21:41
msb_	cubexyz: Yes, YOU are not worried. I'm talking about everyone else in the world.	Jan 23 21:41
cubexyz	unix traditionals will probably go to one of the BSDs: FreeBSD, OpenBSD or NetBSD	Jan 23 21:41
cubexyz	traditionalists	Jan 23 21:42
cubexyz	or Slackware... I'm sure I can think of other examples	Jan 23 21:42
cubexyz	you can even go back to syr4 if you want	Jan 23 21:43
cubexyz	svr4 rather	Jan 23 21:43
msb_	Will that prevent the monsters who have just murdered millions of people and are trying to start WWIII by Nazifying Ukraine from gaining control of the Internet?	Jan 23 21:43
msb_	Will the people who operate the Internet follow your advice, or will they continue using Linux?	Jan 23 21:44
cubexyz	ha, I don't think many people listen to me	Jan 23 21:45
cubexyz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Controls_the_Internet%3F	Jan 23 21:46
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cubexyz	there was some talk of an alternative internet via mesh	Jan 23 21:46
cubexyz	I'm not sure how that's progressing	Jan 23 21:47
cubexyz	in Canada we have free-nets so they are protected	Jan 23 21:48
cubexyz	not sure about the U.S. and other countries	Jan 23 21:48
cubexyz	e.g. http://www.ncf.ca	Jan 23 21:49
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msb_	cubexyz: Wow, thanks, that's a great wiki article!	Jan 23 21:51
cubexyz	np	Jan 23 21:51
cubexyz	Postel died of heart problems about 9 months after the DNS Root Authority incident	Jan 23 22:04
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Postel	Jan 23 22:17
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msb_	In which he opposed the US govt having total control of the Net.	Jan 23 22:17
cubexyz	yes	Jan 23 22:17
msb_	He died of a heart attack at the age of 55. Easily done by the CIA with drugs or microwave bombardment.	Jan 23 22:19
cubexyz	well, ARPA was part of the U.S. Department of Defense	Jan 23 22:21
cubexyz	not too surprising the U.S. government would want control over the internet	Jan 23 22:21
msb_	What they wanted was the ability to shut it down.	Jan 23 22:22
msb_	Just as they will be able to do when the Net is fully controlled by various versions of Lennux.	Jan 23 22:24
msb_	Some minor change to systemd will be sneaked through.	Jan 23 22:24
msb_	It will "call home" or something.	Jan 23 22:26
msb_	While lots of newbies involved with Linux are so naive as to be fascinated by "new shiny things", I'd think that distro administrators would be among the most experienced and best informed types.	Jan 23 22:30
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msb_	So some method of inducing them to accept systemd must have been used. It may have been different for different ones.	Jan 23 22:31
cubexyz	some of those guys are younger than me :)	Jan 23 22:32
msb_	But I don;t think they are that goddamned stupid.	Jan 23 22:32
cubexyz	it's an old story...	Jan 23 22:32
msb_	what do you mean?	Jan 23 22:33
cubexyz	I can site you many instances of the original developer of a project getting disgruntled and leaving the project	Jan 23 22:33
cubexyz	so they are replaced by a younger person with different ideas	Jan 23 22:34
cubexyz	Poettering also came up with pulseaudio, another thing I don't use	Jan 23 22:35
msb_	A person eager to put in the effort to do the tedious work. But actually and covertly a psychopath who has agreed to do what the ruling psychopaths tell him to do.	Jan 23 22:36
msb_	These personnel changes could have been made over the last several years.	Jan 23 22:37
cubexyz	ok, so what Poettering did which I think was really bad was he made systemd a GNOME dependency	Jan 23 22:37
cubexyz	so if you wanted the newest version of GNOME, you had to have systemd	Jan 23 22:37
msb_	Somehow I've always gotten along without ever using gnome.	Jan 23 22:38
cubexyz	also Miguel de Icaza is a Microsoft tech advocate, and he started the GNOME project!	Jan 23 22:38
msb_	I don't even use half the stuff in KDE3.	Jan 23 22:38
cubexyz	there's your smoking gun	Jan 23 22:38
cubexyz	right, I mapped out all the KDE3 stuff and I don't use much of it these days either	Jan 23 22:39
cubexyz	konsole, klipper, and kmix only	Jan 23 22:40
msb_	The rapid adoption of KDE4 over KDE3 is also suspicious, especially since it was done when most of KDE4 didn't even work.	Jan 23 22:41
msb_	I use those and konversation and the system monitor, but from KDE4 because they're better. Don't know if the current ones will even work under KDE3 or Trinity.	Jan 23 22:42
cubexyz	a lot of KDE3 stuff was orphaned	Jan 23 22:42
cubexyz	same with KDE2, and same with KDE1	Jan 23 22:43
cubexyz	I did some work to get KDE1 stuff to work on KDE3 actually	Jan 23 22:43
msb_	Trinity has probably adopted all of it.	Jan 23 22:43
cubexyz	no, that's the thing... they didn't update a lot of applications	Jan 23 22:44
msb_	Trinity?	Jan 23 22:44
msb_	I think they are at least keeping it all working.	Jan 23 22:44
cubexyz	yes, the main desktop environment is updated, but a lot of applications are not	Jan 23 22:45
msb_	I think it all works. What updating does it need?	Jan 23 22:45
msb_	I think it all works on current Linux. What updating does it need?	Jan 23 22:46
cubexyz	well kooka stopped working because of udev	Jan 23 22:46
cubexyz	so there's system changes also	Jan 23 22:46
cubexyz	kmidi was orphaned, no one uses it now	Jan 23 22:48
cubexyz	not to mention the obvious problems with ksysv	Jan 23 22:48
cubexyz	kind of hard to use that if you don't have sysv any more	Jan 23 22:49
cubexyz	these aren't problems for _me_ though :)	Jan 23 22:49
cubexyz	ksirc is really out of date, no one updates it	Jan 23 22:50
cubexyz	I don't think kbugbuster works for KDE3 any more	Jan 23 22:51
msb_	konversation works pretty well	Jan 23 22:51
msb_	I've never even heard of these programs.	Jan 23 22:51
cubexyz	probably most people haven't	Jan 23 22:52
msb_	There's really no reason for a DE to have a lot of apps that have nothing to do with a DE.	Jan 23 22:53
msb_	Linux has plenty of browsers, editors, all kinds of stuff. As long as the DE runs them.	Jan 23 22:54
cubexyz	KDE is important though as an alternative to GNOME	Jan 23 22:55
cubexyz	of course there's icewm and xfce etc	Jan 23 22:56
msb_	kmail was crashing (or should I say krashing) the whole DE, maybe the kernel, when I first switched to Linux around 2000. So I used mutt, and still do.	Jan 23 22:57
cubexyz	yes kmail was a bit of a mess	Jan 23 22:57
cubexyz	I still know this guy who was a KDE1 developer, and he hated KDE2 :)	Jan 23 23:00
cubexyz	kalzium isn't a bad little program	Jan 23 23:02
msb_	What are these free nets in Canada that you mentioned? Are they they actual hardware -- fiber runs, routers, etc? Who pays for and controls them?	Jan 23 23:02
msb_	Cute!	Jan 23 23:04
cubexyz	well Free-nets (note the hyphen) resell broadband now so they make money from reselling DSL	Jan 23 23:04
cubexyz	also they get some corporate funding and government money	Jan 23 23:05
cubexyz	basically a non-profit ISP	Jan 23 23:05
cubexyz	ultimately the DSL in Ontario is using Bell Canada equipment	Jan 23 23:06
cubexyz	TFN has a lot of their own equipment	Jan 23 23:06
cubexyz	probably there's one in California, I haven't checked into the U.S. ones in a while	Jan 23 23:08
msb_	brb	Jan 23 23:12
msb_	back now	Jan 23 23:33
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cubexyz	ugh, spent too much time looking at coherent	Jan 24 02:33
cubexyz	at least rp.4 was added for v5	Jan 24 02:38
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5474108	Jan 24 04:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Google just made it easier to run #Linux on your Chromebook http://www.pcworld.com/article/2873561/google-just-made-it-easier-to-run-linux-on-your-chromebook.html #chromebooks eat #microsoft share		Jan 24 04:54
schestowitz	"Good new. Cheap but nice and free laptops incoming!"	Jan 24 04:54
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schestowitz	"He loved his oil… visits, I mean visits!"	Jan 24 04:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Autistic schoolboy hanged himself after falling for scam 'police' email saying he had looked at indecent websites http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/autistic-schoolboy-hanged-himself-after-5025351?utm_content=buffer64a21&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer		Jan 24 04:54
schestowitz	"	Jan 24 04:54
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schestowitz	Cronos	Jan 24 04:54
schestowitz	That's what happens when you have a government that might not hesitate doing something like that, that's why that kind of scams work.	Jan 24 04:54
schestowitz	I wonder if citizens of good democracies fall in those scams. Something like Norway ... hard to think in a good democracy on these times.	Jan 24 04:54
schestowitz	"	Jan 24 04:54
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schestowitz	"what free software did he steal? I'm aware that they took the Palo Alto GUI and mouse idea- but what else?"	Jan 24 04:55
schestowitz	"	Jan 24 04:55
schestowitz	It I understand correctly, Mac OS X was originally derived from FreeBSD. The BSD license allows Apple to do just what it did, so calling Jobs a thief, at least on those grounds, is a bit hyperbolic.	Jan 24 04:55
schestowitz	As to "putting polish on free software and turning it against the user," that charge clearly stands.	Jan 24 04:55
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cubexyz	Jobs did steal...	Jan 24 05:06
cubexyz	from Xerox	Jan 24 05:06
cubexyz	Xerox sued Apple, gee people have short memories	Jan 24 05:06
cubexyz	no doubt about it	Jan 24 05:07
cubexyz	Xerox sued Apple on Dec 15, 1989	Jan 24 05:11
msb_	How many of his inventions did Ted Nelson describe in Computer Lib / Dream Machines? Did he ever try to get paid for any of them?	Jan 24 05:12
msb_	How about Isaac Newton or Michael Faraday?	Jan 24 05:14
cubexyz	my knowledge of history is insufficient to say	Jan 24 05:15
cubexyz	Newton was pretty rich though	Jan 24 05:16
cubexyz	he was "Master of the Royal Mint" later in life	Jan 24 05:17
msb_	Ted Nelson is now working on a new data system called ZigZag. That name is strangely familiar. I'm sure I've seen it someplace before...	Jan 24 05:19
cubexyz	my understanding is that Ted Nelson doesn't get along well with the free software folks	Jan 24 05:22
cubexyz	he's pro-software patents	Jan 24 05:23
msb_	Ick!	Jan 24 05:24
msb_	I met him once and mentioned that he and Xanadu, along with Vannevar Bush and Memex, were described in the weird anime' Seir\	Jan 24 05:25
msb_	Serial Experiments Lain.	Jan 24 05:25
msb_	He said it misrepresented his idea.	Jan 24 05:25
cubexyz	I really like Thompson and Ritchie's ideas	Jan 24 05:27
msb_	Anyhow, I think he gave away a lot of inventions without patenting them.	Jan 24 05:27
msb_	Yup, they did it right!	Jan 24 05:28
msb_	I guess all those huge long-distance bills we paid to the phone company were worth it.	Jan 24 05:30
cubexyz	it's actually a bit murky what happened to Unix after v7 though	Jan 24 05:30
cubexyz	I think 4.1BSD was the basis for 8th edition	Jan 24 05:33
msb_	"Intellectual property" doesn't easily lend itself to legal decisions. Too complex.	Jan 24 05:33
msb_	The info is complicated enough without trying to trace people's actions and thought processes that led them to it.	Jan 24 05:35
msb_	Play with it and enjoy it. Life is too short to fight about it.	Jan 24 05:36
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msb_	Wow. a $3.000 desk with a 5-inch display. But it has a timer that tells you to get up and go away.	Jan 24 05:47
msb_	Hopefully it comes with a chainsaw for convenient rapid disassembly.	Jan 24 05:48
cubexyz	heh, I once imagined a desk that surrounded you	Jan 24 05:49
cubexyz	you sit in the centre and there's computers on all sides, front, back, left and right	Jan 24 05:49
msb_	You could have that! You already have the computers.	Jan 24 05:51
cubexyz	I have one mega-desk	Jan 24 05:51
cubexyz	there's 4 computers in front of me	Jan 24 05:51
msb_	What was that story by Gene Roddenberry about a succession of androids that one by one inhabited an office filled with computers and data screens, so it could keep track of what was going on and care for the human race.	Jan 24 05:53
cubexyz	this is kind of what I was thinking:	Jan 24 05:55
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/extended-desk.jpg	Jan 24 05:55
cubexyz	except more computers :)	Jan 24 05:56
msb_	Nice.	Jan 24 05:56
cubexyz	what was the title of the story?	Jan 24 05:59
msb_	The ultimate PC: http://cosmicpenguin.com/images/pc_of_future.jpg	Jan 24 06:00
cubexyz	what's the steering wheel for? :)	Jan 24 06:01
msb_	Those gauges monitor the liquid xenon cooling system pressure so it doesn't explode.	Jan 24 06:02
msb_	Actually, each one has a scale ten times the one before. Ten times ten times ten...almost to infinity!	Jan 24 06:02
cubexyz	not as many gauges as the movie :)	Jan 24 06:03
msb_	It's for virtual reality. It only has 2D VR.	Jan 24 06:03
msb_	This is an earlier version of the Krell machine.	Jan 24 06:04
cubexyz	haha	Jan 24 06:04
msb_	That guy standing there is actually a Krell. You can see why they made their doorways that weird shape.	Jan 24 06:05
msb_	The steering wheel is supposed to control the movements of any Monsters From The Id that show up.	Jan 24 06:07
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Questor_Tapes	Jan 24 06:12
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cubexyz	I dimly remember Ark II as a kid, but I don't think it had anything to do with Roddenberry	Jan 24 06:16
cubexyz	and Genesis II	Jan 24 06:18
cubexyz	that might have been a Roddenberry project	Jan 24 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Oracle Goes After Cisco UCS, with the 'Whole	Jan 24 06:19
TweetTuxMachines	Megillah' http://t.co/D6NdWpxZJ4	Jan 24 06:19
TweetTuxMachines	(www.serverwatch.com) "running Linux"	Jan 24 06:19
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5474612	Jan 24 06:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Hollywood uses ‘American Sniper’ to destroy history & create myth http://rt.com/op-edge/224507-american-sniper-movie-usa/ racist, insulting to history, and violence-motivating		Jan 24 06:20
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5475767	Jan 24 06:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: WTF! It Should Not Be Illegal to Hack Your Own Car’s Computer https://www.wired.com/2015/01/let-us-hack-our-cars/ banning everything, like with #drm (computers vs. people)		Jan 24 06:20
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msb_	Genesis II was definitely Gene -- a great movie!	Jan 24 06:21
msb_	Mariette Hartley - a mutant with two navels.	Jan 24 06:22
cubexyz	yes, I think I remember that part :)	Jan 24 06:22
msb_	Much of the world ruled by the Tyranians.	Jan 24 06:22
msb_	Dressed in furs, sitting on stone thrones underground.	Jan 24 06:23
msb_	Ted Cassidy was in it.	Jan 24 06:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Zenwalk and Chakra Reviews, Another 32-Bit	Jan 24 06:39
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Oracle Goes After Cisco UCS, with the 'Whole	Jan 24 06:39
TweetTuxMachines	Megillah' http://t.co/SwD6johVKY	Jan 24 06:39
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel Has A Few More Graphics Changes For The	Jan 24 06:39
TweetTuxMachines	Linux 3.20 Kernel http://t.co/hKrJ2d6ljg	Jan 24 06:39
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/00pii/status/558963539923468289	Jan 24 07:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@00pii: @schestowitz I'm sorry, but Europe grew too disgruntled in USA tech. I am an European living in USA and have a startup here. 1/4		Jan 24 07:26
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/00pii/status/558964116598304768	Jan 24 07:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@00pii: @schestowitz I talked with a few European orgs to implement and support a decentralized advertising platform - my startup, 0PII 2/4		Jan 24 07:28
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/00pii/status/558964947527684096	Jan 24 07:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@00pii: @schestowitz Although they understood well their benefits if the solution would succeed, most could not move beyond cause I am USA based 3/4		Jan 24 07:30
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5475781	Jan 24 07:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #google chairman: "so many IP addresses…so many devices, sensors, things that you are wearing" http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/e-innovation/eric-schmidt-google-internet-disappear-160126 worse than #rfid		Jan 24 07:40
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schestowitz	"I hope Google to disappear soon!"	Jan 24 07:40
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/00pii/status/558966595985629185 https://twitter.com/00pii/status/558966714202071040	Jan 24 07:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@00pii: @schestowitz e.g. VG Media sued Google,while EXCLUSIVELY dumping data in Google analytics, but non of the Google competitors, like MSFT 4/4		Jan 24 07:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@00pii: @schestowitz For reference, read this blog post http://t.co/9LeCnWTFYx		Jan 24 07:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Triple OS, Linux only: "Flyme OS, Meizu's	Jan 24 07:42
TweetTuxMachines	interpretation of Android... YunOS...final	Jan 24 07:42
TweetTuxMachines	variant will run Ubuntu."	Jan 24 07:42
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/oIPj2ln2af (www.gsmarena.com)	Jan 24 07:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel Has A Few More Graphics Changes For The	Jan 24 07:46
TweetTuxMachines	Linux 3.20 Kernel http://t.co/GUhQBMKLmG	Jan 24 07:46
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Vadgama_/status/558968841406255104	Jan 24 07:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Vadgama_: @schestowitz So what you are saying is King #Salman is the same shit as the previous shit. So the House of Saud shit from the same asshole		Jan 24 07:47
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satipera	i came back to read techrights for the first time in a while, always supported tr but got out of the habbit for some reason. i read some of the news stories for the 23/1/14 and was struck by how hugely us centric in particular the political stories are. this is a problem	Jan 24 07:53
schestowitz	"Here is some information about the neglected Article 4a of the European Patent Convention which might be of interest."	Jan 24 08:01
schestowitz	satipera: which political?	Jan 24 08:01
schestowitz	bipartisan?	Jan 24 08:01
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schestowitz	"Concerning the efforts to shift public opinion to which you refer, we wanted to submit a few comments about the Petition calling for an independent investigation of Topic's appointment which was submitted to the European Parliament in December last year by a Croatian NGO Juris Protecta."	Jan 24 08:10
satipera	from leftovers down it is just the sheer number of us based stories. although the us is an important country it is a small part of the world. i would like to see a better balance of stories from around the planet	Jan 24 08:10
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MinceR	geekings	Jan 24 08:37
MinceR	yeah, it's much easier to get informed about news in the usa than anywhere else in general	Jan 24 08:37
MinceR	especially in english :>	Jan 24 08:38
schestowitz	"For the moment we don't know whether or not the petition 2848/2013 will ever be the agenda again as the agenda for the meeting on 11 November has not been published yet."	Jan 24 08:41
schestowitz	satipera: english-speaking articles	Jan 24 08:41
schestowitz	Show me which sites cover in English corruption in China, Russia, etc.	Jan 24 08:41
satipera	this took about 2 minutes to find, put china or russia in the search box. my point is that other sources are available and could be worked into your news	Jan 24 08:56
satipera	http://www.transparency.org/search	Jan 24 08:57
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bocah_aspal/status/559001416954417152	Jan 24 10:02
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5476017	Jan 24 11:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://twitter.com/johnbayne8/status/558950702886977537		Jan 24 11:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@johnbayne8: Woman receives 90 lashes in Saudi for being raped. In the UK flags were at half mast for their dead king. WTF!!!! http://t.co/WvI0heSbZf		Jan 24 11:15
schestowitz	"so sick..."	Jan 24 11:15
msb_	I think that when Eric Schmidt has destroyed the Internet, and has everybody muttering into their cellphones, microwaves, and toasters, that none of those things is going to tell them when the US or Israel has murdered for profit another city full of people.	Jan 24 11:20
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5476705	Jan 24 11:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #sony not cracked because of any group of crackers or a nation. As confirmed by reports, Sony got compromised through #microsoft #windows		Jan 24 11:20
schestowitz	"well, we've all been there"	Jan 24 11:20
schestowitz	I used Windows 98... last one	Jan 24 11:21
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Kyluckyman/status/559032384545234944	Jan 24 11:59
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/TechnicalKat/status/559032783180283904	Jan 24 12:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TechnicalKat: @schestowitz Hollywood has already "honored" Hanoi Jane Fonda and now wants moral values. Critic after doing something is poor values ^..^		Jan 24 12:01

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