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| schestowitz | >>> http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/22/opinion/sunday/maureen-dowd-jeb-bushs-brainless-trust.html | Feb 23 17:28 |
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| schestowitz | >>> >> http://www.thelocal.se/20150221/swedish-migrant-assistants-recruited-for-isis | Feb 23 17:28 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Feb 23 17:28 |
| schestowitz | >> > Heh. You sent this before ;-) | Feb 23 17:28 |
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| schestowitz | >> > | Feb 23 17:28 |
| schestowitz | > Sorry. It must have stayed in the buffer here too long. It is bizarre | Feb 23 17:28 |
| schestowitz | > but given the state of things in Sweden not surprising, neither the | Feb 23 17:28 |
| schestowitz | > bribery nor the recruitment. There was also another article at a | Feb 23 17:28 |
| schestowitz | > different source about how the main tv expert against so-called | Feb 23 17:28 |
| schestowitz | > "islamophobia" in Sweden ran off to join the daesh. The minister of | Feb 23 17:28 |
| schestowitz | > housing and urban development, who is an open islamist and has praised | Feb 23 17:28 |
| schestowitz | > such actions and the daesh in the past, had a "no comment" message via | Feb 23 17:28 |
| schestowitz | > his secretary. | Feb 23 17:28 |
| schestowitz | I heard it's getting quite bad, esp. in Stockholm. | Feb 23 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Either way, tomorrow morning we leave for two weeks. | Feb 23 17:28 |
| schestowitz | >> I heard it's getting quite bad, esp. in Stockholm. | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > I lived in and near those kinds of neighborhoods when in Sweden in the | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > 90's and they were bad even then before things got "bad" It's got to be | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > Detroit/Dearborn levels of bad now as far as population density and with | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > North Africa levels of violence. I don't see how mass violence can be | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > avoided in Sweden within two decades. The settlers there have the same | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > fervor as the west bank settlers. Integration is not in their plans. | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > I'm puzzled as to why Faux News showed their butt again with claims of | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > "no-go" areas in France when there are 53 documents zones in Sweden they | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > could have covered. Then again fuck Faux News, I never intentionally | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > click on any of its articles and it's been years since I've accidentally | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > clicked on one. | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > I also lived in one in DK and wrote to a friend that lives still in | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > another there. He lives about 100 m from where they shot that latest | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > bastard and provided some interesting insight. | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | >> > Either way, tomorrow morning we leave for two weeks. | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > Ok. Have a safe trip. I'll keep after the comment spam as usual. | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Spent the past 10 MINUTES trying to find my email passwords so that I can ready webmail whilst away... grrrr.... I'm usually more organised than this. | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5645539 | Feb 23 17:45 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://twitter.com/edlnews/status/569622170265116672 | Feb 23 17:45 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@edlnews: #ukip south thanet = absolute shambles #meettheukippers . funny and worrying in equal measures http://t.co/FNIn9XHM3M | Feb 23 17:45 | |
| schestowitz | "I don't know why but I don't like people who look like her." | Feb 23 17:45 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5646829 | Feb 23 17:51 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Calls to drop #lenovo multiply in #gnu #linux sites. Latest among many: http://jimlynch.com/computing/superfish-means-its-time-to-get-rid-of-your-lenovo-computer/http://www.cs.unb.ca/~bremner//blog/posts/dear-lenovo/ #superfish | Feb 23 17:51 | |
| schestowitz | "I have read that Lenovo computers run OpenBSD fine." | Feb 23 17:51 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 404 @ http://jimlynch.com/computing/superfish-means-its-time-to-get-rid-of-your-lenovo-computer/http:/www.cs.unb.ca/~bremner/blog/posts/dear-lenovo/ ) | Feb 23 17:51 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, some used to come with FreeDOS too. Alas, the idea is, don't give money to Lenovo. Punish it to send a warning to other OEMs that are seduced by back doors. | Feb 23 17:52 |
| MinceR | how do i send a warning to oems that make crap hardware and provide crap support for it? | Feb 23 17:58 |
| MinceR | (e.g. dell) | Feb 23 17:58 |
| schestowitz | > One more for today | Feb 23 18:18 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 23 18:18 |
| schestowitz | > https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/02/23/0945204 | Feb 23 18:18 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-soylentnews.org | Microsoft Loves Linux - or So They Say - SoylentNews [ http://ur1.ca/jsaeh ] | Feb 23 18:18 | |
| schestowitz | Excellent, it's raising awareness. | Feb 23 18:18 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | frojack writes: | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Loves Linux, and Open Source. We know this because the press is telling us this almost every day. | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | The TechRights Blog, and writer Dr. Roy Schestowitz, explains that this is part of the Microsoft master plan. Just when you thought Embrace, Extend, Extinguish was going away, the article explains the multi-prong attack that Microsoft is quietly working in the background. And they are relying heavily on their friends in the press. Microsoft has always had its share of shills in the press, but, with the focus on Google Android and Apple | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | its quietly become less of a Journalist career killer to be openly Pro Microsoft. Schestowitz explains the attack as killing Linux Softly with APIs and the lock-ins they bring as more Microsoft packages and services are ported to Linux, and by getting appointments to key Linux Foundation subcommittees, by slinging dollars and software contributions. | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | By becoming financially dependent on Microsoft partners like Nokia and Intel (Wintel) the Linux Foundation lost its ability to antagonize rivals and it might not be long before the Linux Foundation silently tells Torvalds not to denounce Microsoft because of his new senior colleagues from there and because “Microsoft loves Linux”, according to Microsoft. As we have shown before, several Linux Foundation sub-committees are having | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | heads appointed to them from Microsoft (Neela, Ramji and more). It is like a coup in slow motion as we are gradually witnesses more of its impact. | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | In the area of cloud services, for storage, virtual machine platforms, communications - skype and email, Microsoft is moving slowly but steadily into the Linux world. | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | And of course we've already discussed Microsoft's Trojan Horse attack on Android via their $70 Million dollar investment in Cyanogen. | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | The press seems to be lapping it up, because Google has now become the company to hate, and many of the Journalist starting out today don't remember the never ending supply of dirty tricks used in the past. | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | I recommend you read the long-ish article, or at least scan its major points. It may explain why you will be seeing more and more stories about a company you had come to believe was irrelevant. [Corrected at 17:54 UTC] | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, nice PR indeed, they love Linux as long as their customers don't plan to move to it too seriously. | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | SecureBoot doesn't sound like a love letter to me. | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | I know this isn't exactly on point, but that's something I am faced with as a customer buying new machines. | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | I will believe they 'love' linux when I see SQL Server and Office offered for a debian/redhat install. | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Until then at least they are open sourcing decent portions of their stack? | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:23 |
| schestowitz | 02.21.15 | Feb 23 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft AstroTurfing War on GNU/Linux is Still Going On, But Hidden Better, Uses API as Instrument of Lock-in | Feb 23 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Posted in Deception, Free/Libre Software, GNU/Linux, Microsoft at 12:18 pm by Dr. Roy Schestowitz | Feb 23 18:23 |
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| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:23 |
| schestowitz | "Weird... I clicked the same link twice, got an error page the first time and the article the second time." | Feb 23 18:23 |
| schestowitz | "they're all working for me." | Feb 23 18:23 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:24 |
| schestowitz | Rather than the skepticism towards the claim that Microsoft is making here, I'm going to guess they're sincere, because they have very little idea what's appropriate in today's ecosystem. | Feb 23 18:24 |
| schestowitz | The server world has been eaten(and continues to be eaten) by Linux. If they want to target server environments, and keep their existing corporate developer base, they need their platforms to work there. | Feb 23 18:24 |
| schestowitz | They lost the mobile world to Apple and Google. That demands that they work with those environments for their big user applications. And the only reason people still work on desktops is the keyboard(and gaming). That's a tough sell. | Feb 23 18:24 |
| schestowitz | That all means to me that when Microsoft flails around and makes big promises, it's because they're hoping for any strategy that will result in non-falling user bases. | Feb 23 18:24 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:24 |
| schestowitz | "Or perhaps they hope that in the future they can start some kind of legal battle which will drag Linux down, and they can then regain lost ground? (I confess that I keep my tinfoil hat fairly tightly on my head - but you cannot blame me for that.)" | Feb 23 18:24 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Legal battle with whom? | Feb 23 18:25 |
| schestowitz | The legal aspects of the kernel are well taken care of. The core repository is well managed, and submitted patches are reviewed for who originated(and thus owns) them, and that those people have agreed to abide the GPL. | Feb 23 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Releasing code to work with Linux doesn't mandate that anyone use it. You can allege a conspiracy all you want, but you have some obligation to suggest how the hell it would work. | Feb 23 18:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:25 |
| schestowitz | I know for a FACT that the SCO/Caldera fiasco was covertly funded and supported through interesting arrangements - like investment in 3rd companies - by Microsoft. | Feb 23 18:25 |
| schestowitz | I can name names. But won't do so here. | Feb 23 18:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:26 |
| schestowitz | systemd is replacing the OS, basically, and using product tying to require exclusive use of only its components and elimination of all competition. | Feb 23 18:26 |
| schestowitz | So, there's this patent MS owns on .... which is done in some component of systemd, which is basically a open source reimplementation of the monolithic windows architecture so I'd be surprised if there is no infringement. | Feb 23 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Now in the past, you sue redhat, and worst case is everyone moves to gentoo / debian / whatever. Now you sue systemd and as whats engineered to be a single point of failure incompatible by design with everything that isn't itself (basically a cancer), then a judge awards ownership of all systemd project IP to MS because they don't really have any other resources, and all the linux distros are simultaneously dead. | Feb 23 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Its a likely strategy. Think in MS's shoes. Your competitor insists on making an inflexible brittle deeply interconnected system? Well, if you insist, I'll crack one tiny part making the whole thing shatter like glass. | Feb 23 18:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:26 |
| schestowitz | This actually sounds like an excellent idea. | Feb 23 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Feb 23 18:26 | |
| schestowitz | 1. Have Lennart Poettering dragged in front of a court for infringement of Micro$haft patents | Feb 23 18:26 |
| schestowitz | 2. Have infringing systemd pulled completely from GNU/Linux | Feb 23 18:26 |
| schestowitz | 3. Reimplement freedom of init system choice to all. | Feb 23 18:26 |
| schestowitz | 4. ... | Feb 23 18:26 |
| schestowitz | 5. Profit? | Feb 23 18:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:27 |
| schestowitz | One interesting "not entirely disagree" perspective I have is Microsoft never does anything, they just buy, ride for awhile. and resell it to everyone. | Feb 23 18:27 |
| schestowitz | So they rode the slightly superior clone of CP/M horse for 15 years or so, then hopped onto the "VMS with a GUI" horse for the last 20 years, more or less. | Feb 23 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Well, its 2015, and the old horse is getting tired and beat down, beaten into a grease stain on the pavement in mobile and server, in fact. And their closest competitor jumped on the "BSD with a GUI" horse a decade ago and seem to be doing excellently. | Feb 23 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Maybe its time to change horses? | Feb 23 18:27 |
| schestowitz | So you got linux which is ready to ship, and its getting turned into a clone of windows architecture anyway with systemd etc, making all the non-tablet non-desktop devs (aka almost everyone) flee to the BSDs. | Feb 23 18:27 |
| schestowitz | I could see something like redhat being shipped as windows 2017 or whatever. As long as they get those profitable OEM install contracts... Sure our source code is all open, but our app store and drivers will only run on our trusted computing kernel which happens to be linux 4.something based with systemd as the OS. Its like getting the source code to your microwave oven, OK now what? | Feb 23 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Meanwhile MS gets a technically superior OS, R+D costs were virtually free, much more secure, blah blah. | Feb 23 18:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Whenever Microsoft does something it's in order to takeover and crush. They can't be trusted - Period! | Feb 23 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Remove all dependencies on their domain(s) and hobble them if the opportunity arises. All promoters of Microsoft must be consider zombies of that power sphere. | Feb 23 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Other companies usually have a symbiotic relationship. | Feb 23 18:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | I have the same suspicions of Microsoft as most of the rest of the people here do, although I'm also suspicious of Google, Apple, and just about every other top tier player in the business. Yes, MS was evil monopolists back in the day and they played dirty. That's what the DOJ antitrust lawsuit was about. But that monopoly is now a shell of what it once was, mostly because of the relative decline in importance of desktop software. | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer and Gates are gone, along with most of their lieutenants, and the new guy was given license by Microsoft's board to move the company in different directions. | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | By becoming financially dependent on Microsoft partners like Nokia and Intel (Wintel) the Linux Foundation lost its ability to antagonise rivals and it might not be long before the Linux Foundation silently tells Torvalds not to denounce Microsoft | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, I'm sure Mr. Torvalds would hang his head and meekly comply with that because he wouldn't risk rocking the boat, right? | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Here are the Linux Foundation sponsors [linuxfoundation.org] arranged in order of importance. Intel is on the top tier, but they're not part of "WinTel" anymore... they make at least as much money selling Linux servers now, and they also have the Mac OS X business. Nokia is on the third tier, they're certainly in no position to make demands, and anyway, they're not part of Microsoft. Dr. Roy Schestowitz is about 10 years behind the | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | times here. | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft loves Linux like Eric Holder loves free speech and like Obama loves peace. It’s nonsense (albeit endlessly repeated) of the highest order | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Nice display of professional journalism. Dr. Schestowitz has more than a few axes to grind on many different subjects, doesn't he, so why not get some of the other ones in while he's got readers. | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | This is basically just another noteworthy pattern of the attack on Linux and its backers, pushing the pro-Microsoft line and pushing the anti-Google angle. There are many puff pieces (similar to press releases) like this one about Azure. Slashdot plays a role in it, propping up the narrative of “Microsoft loves Linux” and IDG, in the mean time, characterises PRISM surveillance and lock-in as ‘free’. | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols once again gives Microsoft a soft treatment because Canonical is helping the Trojan horse in exchange for money. | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Can you imagine Dr. Schestowitz scheduling the guillotine for the French Revolution? I can. Basically, everyone he sees who's not 100 percent on board is guilty as hell. | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | If Microsoft is now an “Open Source company” and a company that “loves Linux” as some of the press wishes us to believe, then how come none of the company’s big products became Open Source? | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Well, they just released a good chunk of .NET and C# under the MIT license. Of course, that can be spun as another insidious MS plot to try to control Linux. | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | What about Google, which very conspicuously escapes Dr. Schestowitz's wrath in this piece? I'd certainly be curious at examining the source code to their search engine. Jeff Dean wrote a paper about Map-Reduce, but then it had to be re-implemented from scratch by Open Source folks. | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | "The press seems to be lapping it up, because Google has now become the company to hate, and many of the Journalist starting out today don't remember the never ending supply of dirty tricks used in the past." | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Even if they did remember or learn it, it wouldn't matter if it didn't support the prevailing "narrative". | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Narrative is J-school doublespeak for agenda. | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Couple that with the pack mentality of the media, and you get the whole dogpile du jour thing. | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | I read the last sentence of the summary a couple of times. | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | ...a company you had come to believe was irreverent. | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | I don't understand it. I think that there are some that may consider Microsoft to be irrelevant, and some which may consider them criminal, but I'm not sure where the word irreverent applies here. Perhaps it is a typo? | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:30 |
| schestowitz | "Also add to that the fact that FaceBook was caught funding the spread of anti-Google FUD, and Microsoft has been suspected of it by most." | Feb 23 18:30 |
| schestowitz | "I put my hands up - and it has now been corrected. Thank you." | Feb 23 18:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:31 |
| schestowitz | This plan is so subtle that even MS doesn't realize they're doing it. Wow. | Feb 23 18:31 |
| schestowitz | If you really want to know what MS is doing, let me explain in ee threasy steps: | Feb 23 18:31 |
| schestowitz | 1. Managers want to outsource all hardware and software to "the cloud" so they can fire staff. If you're a SQL Server DBA, you're going to be in the next round of purges. Software development is contracted out. Hardware is contracted out. All companies really do is manage outsourcing. But there's a snag... | Feb 23 18:31 |
| schestowitz | 2. Local SQL Server installs are stopping this because many, many vendor products use SQL Server, which is the cheap alternative to Oracle and fine for most vertical-market packages. And there are a LOT of vertical-market packages out there. If you haven't looked into this, almost every industry has vertical-market packages which depend on local SQL Server installs. These require DBAs, some of the last people employed by companies who | Feb 23 18:31 |
| schestowitz | can't be fired. Millions of dollars are wasted each year paying these people which could be paid to managers as bonuses. But MS sees the opportunity, and ... | Feb 23 18:31 |
| schestowitz | 3. MS is trying to keep those SQL Server licenses selling. They're focusing on "the cloud" because that's where managers want to go. Vertical-market packages could use PostgreSQL. Or even MySQL for most of them. But MS needs the revenues from its cash cow. So they're going to have SQL Server as a Service from their cloud to keep vertical-market packages using it and licenses selling. They want to keep their capitve audience. They don't | Feb 23 18:31 |
| schestowitz | care where their vertical-market partners run their apps. Run them on Linux - hey, we'll even port .NET to Linux. But they need to keep them using SQL Server, because it's a cash cow they can't afford to lose over the next decade. Imagine you sell a vertical-market package and you can go to your customers and tell them the next version is in "the cloud" and you'll even tune their SQL Server instance for them. Managers will be all over | Feb 23 18:31 |
| schestowitz | that! | Feb 23 18:31 |
| schestowitz | See you later, bye! | Feb 23 18:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:31 |
| schestowitz | "Woah, who are you to tell me what I believe? Patronising much?" | Feb 23 18:31 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/CarlitosM/status/569654441218957312 | Feb 23 00:26 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@CarlitosM: Meanwhile... “@schestowitz: Law enforcement divided over releasing #StingRay docs https://t.co/dsDTnr49Y4 #police #surveillance” | Feb 23 00:26 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.muckrock.com | MuckRock • Law enforcement divided over releasing StingRay docs | Feb 23 00:26 | |
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| schestowitz | >>> http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/22/opinion/sunday/maureen-dowd-jeb-bushs-brainless-trust.html | Feb 23 17:28 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Feb 23 17:28 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/js9wk ] | Feb 23 17:28 | |
| schestowitz | >>> >> == | Feb 23 17:28 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Feb 23 17:28 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> http://www.thelocal.se/20150221/swedish-migrant-assistants-recruited-for-isis | Feb 23 17:28 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Feb 23 17:28 |
| schestowitz | >> > Heh. You sent this before ;-) | Feb 23 17:28 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-Failure when receiving data from the peer ( status 0 @ http://www.thelocal.se/20150221/swedish-migrant-assistants-recruited-for-isis ) | Feb 23 17:28 | |
| schestowitz | >> > | Feb 23 17:28 |
| schestowitz | > Sorry. It must have stayed in the buffer here too long. It is bizarre | Feb 23 17:28 |
| schestowitz | > but given the state of things in Sweden not surprising, neither the | Feb 23 17:28 |
| schestowitz | > bribery nor the recruitment. There was also another article at a | Feb 23 17:28 |
| schestowitz | > different source about how the main tv expert against so-called | Feb 23 17:28 |
| schestowitz | > "islamophobia" in Sweden ran off to join the daesh. The minister of | Feb 23 17:28 |
| schestowitz | > housing and urban development, who is an open islamist and has praised | Feb 23 17:28 |
| schestowitz | > such actions and the daesh in the past, had a "no comment" message via | Feb 23 17:28 |
| schestowitz | > his secretary. | Feb 23 17:28 |
| schestowitz | I heard it's getting quite bad, esp. in Stockholm. | Feb 23 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Either way, tomorrow morning we leave for two weeks. | Feb 23 17:28 |
| schestowitz | >> I heard it's getting quite bad, esp. in Stockholm. | Feb 23 17:43 |
| schestowitz | > I lived in and near those kinds of neighborhoods when in Sweden in the | Feb 23 17:43 |
| schestowitz | > 90's and they were bad even then before things got "bad" It's got to be | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > Detroit/Dearborn levels of bad now as far as population density and with | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > North Africa levels of violence. I don't see how mass violence can be | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > avoided in Sweden within two decades. The settlers there have the same | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > fervor as the west bank settlers. Integration is not in their plans. | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > I'm puzzled as to why Faux News showed their butt again with claims of | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > "no-go" areas in France when there are 53 documents zones in Sweden they | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > could have covered. Then again fuck Faux News, I never intentionally | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > click on any of its articles and it's been years since I've accidentally | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > clicked on one. | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > I also lived in one in DK and wrote to a friend that lives still in | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > another there. He lives about 100 m from where they shot that latest | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > bastard and provided some interesting insight. | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | >> > Either way, tomorrow morning we leave for two weeks. | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > Ok. Have a safe trip. I'll keep after the comment spam as usual. | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Spent the past 10 MINUTES trying to find my email passwords so that I can ready webmail whilst away... grrrr.... I'm usually more organised than this. | Feb 23 17:44 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5645539 | Feb 23 17:45 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://twitter.com/edlnews/status/569622170265116672 | Feb 23 17:45 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@edlnews: #ukip south thanet = absolute shambles #meettheukippers . funny and worrying in equal measures http://t.co/FNIn9XHM3M | Feb 23 17:45 | |
| schestowitz | "I don't know why but I don't like people who look like her." | Feb 23 17:45 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5646829 | Feb 23 17:51 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Calls to drop #lenovo multiply in #gnu #linux sites. Latest among many: http://jimlynch.com/computing/superfish-means-its-time-to-get-rid-of-your-lenovo-computer/http://www.cs.unb.ca/~bremner//blog/posts/dear-lenovo/ #superfish | Feb 23 17:51 | |
| schestowitz | "I have read that Lenovo computers run OpenBSD fine." | Feb 23 17:51 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 404 @ http://jimlynch.com/computing/superfish-means-its-time-to-get-rid-of-your-lenovo-computer/http:/www.cs.unb.ca/~bremner/blog/posts/dear-lenovo/ ) | Feb 23 17:51 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, some used to come with FreeDOS too. Alas, the idea is, don't give money to Lenovo. Punish it to send a warning to other OEMs that are seduced by back doors. | Feb 23 17:52 |
| MinceR | how do i send a warning to oems that make crap hardware and provide crap support for it? | Feb 23 17:58 |
| MinceR | (e.g. dell) | Feb 23 17:58 |
| schestowitz | > One more for today | Feb 23 18:18 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 23 18:18 |
| schestowitz | > https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/02/23/0945204 | Feb 23 18:18 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-soylentnews.org | Microsoft Loves Linux - or So They Say - SoylentNews [ http://ur1.ca/jsaeh ] | Feb 23 18:18 | |
| schestowitz | Excellent, it's raising awareness. | Feb 23 18:18 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | frojack writes: | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Loves Linux, and Open Source. We know this because the press is telling us this almost every day. | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | The TechRights Blog, and writer Dr. Roy Schestowitz, explains that this is part of the Microsoft master plan. Just when you thought Embrace, Extend, Extinguish was going away, the article explains the multi-prong attack that Microsoft is quietly working in the background. And they are relying heavily on their friends in the press. Microsoft has always had its share of shills in the press, but, with the focus on Google Android and Apple | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | its quietly become less of a Journalist career killer to be openly Pro Microsoft. Schestowitz explains the attack as killing Linux Softly with APIs and the lock-ins they bring as more Microsoft packages and services are ported to Linux, and by getting appointments to key Linux Foundation subcommittees, by slinging dollars and software contributions. | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | By becoming financially dependent on Microsoft partners like Nokia and Intel (Wintel) the Linux Foundation lost its ability to antagonize rivals and it might not be long before the Linux Foundation silently tells Torvalds not to denounce Microsoft because of his new senior colleagues from there and because “Microsoft loves Linux”, according to Microsoft. As we have shown before, several Linux Foundation sub-committees are having | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | heads appointed to them from Microsoft (Neela, Ramji and more). It is like a coup in slow motion as we are gradually witnesses more of its impact. | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | In the area of cloud services, for storage, virtual machine platforms, communications - skype and email, Microsoft is moving slowly but steadily into the Linux world. | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | And of course we've already discussed Microsoft's Trojan Horse attack on Android via their $70 Million dollar investment in Cyanogen. | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | The press seems to be lapping it up, because Google has now become the company to hate, and many of the Journalist starting out today don't remember the never ending supply of dirty tricks used in the past. | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | I recommend you read the long-ish article, or at least scan its major points. It may explain why you will be seeing more and more stories about a company you had come to believe was irrelevant. [Corrected at 17:54 UTC] | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, nice PR indeed, they love Linux as long as their customers don't plan to move to it too seriously. | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | SecureBoot doesn't sound like a love letter to me. | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | I know this isn't exactly on point, but that's something I am faced with as a customer buying new machines. | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | I will believe they 'love' linux when I see SQL Server and Office offered for a debian/redhat install. | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Until then at least they are open sourcing decent portions of their stack? | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:23 |
| schestowitz | 02.21.15 | Feb 23 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft AstroTurfing War on GNU/Linux is Still Going On, But Hidden Better, Uses API as Instrument of Lock-in | Feb 23 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Posted in Deception, Free/Libre Software, GNU/Linux, Microsoft at 12:18 pm by Dr. Roy Schestowitz | Feb 23 18:23 |
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| schestowitz | Google Search Results | Feb 23 18:23 |
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| schestowitz | techrights.org/2015/02/21/corruptible-press-on-eee/ | Feb 23 18:23 |
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| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:23 |
| schestowitz | "Weird... I clicked the same link twice, got an error page the first time and the article the second time." | Feb 23 18:23 |
| schestowitz | "they're all working for me." | Feb 23 18:23 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:24 |
| schestowitz | Rather than the skepticism towards the claim that Microsoft is making here, I'm going to guess they're sincere, because they have very little idea what's appropriate in today's ecosystem. | Feb 23 18:24 |
| schestowitz | The server world has been eaten(and continues to be eaten) by Linux. If they want to target server environments, and keep their existing corporate developer base, they need their platforms to work there. | Feb 23 18:24 |
| schestowitz | They lost the mobile world to Apple and Google. That demands that they work with those environments for their big user applications. And the only reason people still work on desktops is the keyboard(and gaming). That's a tough sell. | Feb 23 18:24 |
| schestowitz | That all means to me that when Microsoft flails around and makes big promises, it's because they're hoping for any strategy that will result in non-falling user bases. | Feb 23 18:24 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:24 |
| schestowitz | "Or perhaps they hope that in the future they can start some kind of legal battle which will drag Linux down, and they can then regain lost ground? (I confess that I keep my tinfoil hat fairly tightly on my head - but you cannot blame me for that.)" | Feb 23 18:24 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Legal battle with whom? | Feb 23 18:25 |
| schestowitz | The legal aspects of the kernel are well taken care of. The core repository is well managed, and submitted patches are reviewed for who originated(and thus owns) them, and that those people have agreed to abide the GPL. | Feb 23 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Releasing code to work with Linux doesn't mandate that anyone use it. You can allege a conspiracy all you want, but you have some obligation to suggest how the hell it would work. | Feb 23 18:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:25 |
| schestowitz | I know for a FACT that the SCO/Caldera fiasco was covertly funded and supported through interesting arrangements - like investment in 3rd companies - by Microsoft. | Feb 23 18:25 |
| schestowitz | I can name names. But won't do so here. | Feb 23 18:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:25 |
| schestowitz | systemd is replacing the OS, basically, and using product tying to require exclusive use of only its components and elimination of all competition. | Feb 23 18:25 |
| schestowitz | So, there's this patent MS owns on .... which is done in some component of systemd, which is basically a open source reimplementation of the monolithic windows architecture so I'd be surprised if there is no infringement. | Feb 23 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Now in the past, you sue redhat, and worst case is everyone moves to gentoo / debian / whatever. Now you sue systemd and as whats engineered to be a single point of failure incompatible by design with everything that isn't itself (basically a cancer), then a judge awards ownership of all systemd project IP to MS because they don't really have any other resources, and all the linux distros are simultaneously dead. | Feb 23 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Its a likely strategy. Think in MS's shoes. Your competitor insists on making an inflexible brittle deeply interconnected system? Well, if you insist, I'll crack one tiny part making the whole thing shatter like glass. | Feb 23 18:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:26 |
| schestowitz | This actually sounds like an excellent idea. | Feb 23 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Feb 23 18:26 | |
| schestowitz | 1. Have Lennart Poettering dragged in front of a court for infringement of Micro$haft patents | Feb 23 18:26 |
| schestowitz | 2. Have infringing systemd pulled completely from GNU/Linux | Feb 23 18:26 |
| schestowitz | 3. Reimplement freedom of init system choice to all. | Feb 23 18:26 |
| schestowitz | 4. ... | Feb 23 18:26 |
| schestowitz | 5. Profit? | Feb 23 18:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:27 |
| schestowitz | One interesting "not entirely disagree" perspective I have is Microsoft never does anything, they just buy, ride for awhile. and resell it to everyone. | Feb 23 18:27 |
| schestowitz | So they rode the slightly superior clone of CP/M horse for 15 years or so, then hopped onto the "VMS with a GUI" horse for the last 20 years, more or less. | Feb 23 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Well, its 2015, and the old horse is getting tired and beat down, beaten into a grease stain on the pavement in mobile and server, in fact. And their closest competitor jumped on the "BSD with a GUI" horse a decade ago and seem to be doing excellently. | Feb 23 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Maybe its time to change horses? | Feb 23 18:27 |
| schestowitz | So you got linux which is ready to ship, and its getting turned into a clone of windows architecture anyway with systemd etc, making all the non-tablet non-desktop devs (aka almost everyone) flee to the BSDs. | Feb 23 18:27 |
| schestowitz | I could see something like redhat being shipped as windows 2017 or whatever. As long as they get those profitable OEM install contracts... Sure our source code is all open, but our app store and drivers will only run on our trusted computing kernel which happens to be linux 4.something based with systemd as the OS. Its like getting the source code to your microwave oven, OK now what? | Feb 23 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Meanwhile MS gets a technically superior OS, R+D costs were virtually free, much more secure, blah blah. | Feb 23 18:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Whenever Microsoft does something it's in order to takeover and crush. They can't be trusted - Period! | Feb 23 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Remove all dependencies on their domain(s) and hobble them if the opportunity arises. All promoters of Microsoft must be consider zombies of that power sphere. | Feb 23 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Other companies usually have a symbiotic relationship. | Feb 23 18:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | I have the same suspicions of Microsoft as most of the rest of the people here do, although I'm also suspicious of Google, Apple, and just about every other top tier player in the business. Yes, MS was evil monopolists back in the day and they played dirty. That's what the DOJ antitrust lawsuit was about. But that monopoly is now a shell of what it once was, mostly because of the relative decline in importance of desktop software. | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer and Gates are gone, along with most of their lieutenants, and the new guy was given license by Microsoft's board to move the company in different directions. | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | By becoming financially dependent on Microsoft partners like Nokia and Intel (Wintel) the Linux Foundation lost its ability to antagonise rivals and it might not be long before the Linux Foundation silently tells Torvalds not to denounce Microsoft | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, I'm sure Mr. Torvalds would hang his head and meekly comply with that because he wouldn't risk rocking the boat, right? | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Here are the Linux Foundation sponsors [linuxfoundation.org] arranged in order of importance. Intel is on the top tier, but they're not part of "WinTel" anymore... they make at least as much money selling Linux servers now, and they also have the Mac OS X business. Nokia is on the third tier, they're certainly in no position to make demands, and anyway, they're not part of Microsoft. Dr. Roy Schestowitz is about 10 years behind the | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | times here. | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft loves Linux like Eric Holder loves free speech and like Obama loves peace. It’s nonsense (albeit endlessly repeated) of the highest order | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Nice display of professional journalism. Dr. Schestowitz has more than a few axes to grind on many different subjects, doesn't he, so why not get some of the other ones in while he's got readers. | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | This is basically just another noteworthy pattern of the attack on Linux and its backers, pushing the pro-Microsoft line and pushing the anti-Google angle. There are many puff pieces (similar to press releases) like this one about Azure. Slashdot plays a role in it, propping up the narrative of “Microsoft loves Linux” and IDG, in the mean time, characterises PRISM surveillance and lock-in as ‘free’. | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols once again gives Microsoft a soft treatment because Canonical is helping the Trojan horse in exchange for money. | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Can you imagine Dr. Schestowitz scheduling the guillotine for the French Revolution? I can. Basically, everyone he sees who's not 100 percent on board is guilty as hell. | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | If Microsoft is now an “Open Source company” and a company that “loves Linux” as some of the press wishes us to believe, then how come none of the company’s big products became Open Source? | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Well, they just released a good chunk of .NET and C# under the MIT license. Of course, that can be spun as another insidious MS plot to try to control Linux. | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | What about Google, which very conspicuously escapes Dr. Schestowitz's wrath in this piece? I'd certainly be curious at examining the source code to their search engine. Jeff Dean wrote a paper about Map-Reduce, but then it had to be re-implemented from scratch by Open Source folks. | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | "The press seems to be lapping it up, because Google has now become the company to hate, and many of the Journalist starting out today don't remember the never ending supply of dirty tricks used in the past." | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Even if they did remember or learn it, it wouldn't matter if it didn't support the prevailing "narrative". | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Narrative is J-school doublespeak for agenda. | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Couple that with the pack mentality of the media, and you get the whole dogpile du jour thing. | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | I read the last sentence of the summary a couple of times. | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | ...a company you had come to believe was irreverent. | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | I don't understand it. I think that there are some that may consider Microsoft to be irrelevant, and some which may consider them criminal, but I'm not sure where the word irreverent applies here. Perhaps it is a typo? | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | "Also add to that the fact that FaceBook was caught funding the spread of anti-Google FUD, and Microsoft has been suspected of it by most." | Feb 23 18:30 |
| schestowitz | "I put my hands up - and it has now been corrected. Thank you." | Feb 23 18:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:31 |
| schestowitz | This plan is so subtle that even MS doesn't realize they're doing it. Wow. | Feb 23 18:31 |
| schestowitz | If you really want to know what MS is doing, let me explain in ee threasy steps: | Feb 23 18:31 |
| schestowitz | 1. Managers want to outsource all hardware and software to "the cloud" so they can fire staff. If you're a SQL Server DBA, you're going to be in the next round of purges. Software development is contracted out. Hardware is contracted out. All companies really do is manage outsourcing. But there's a snag... | Feb 23 18:31 |
| schestowitz | 2. Local SQL Server installs are stopping this because many, many vendor products use SQL Server, which is the cheap alternative to Oracle and fine for most vertical-market packages. And there are a LOT of vertical-market packages out there. If you haven't looked into this, almost every industry has vertical-market packages which depend on local SQL Server installs. These require DBAs, some of the last people employed by companies who | Feb 23 18:31 |
| schestowitz | can't be fired. Millions of dollars are wasted each year paying these people which could be paid to managers as bonuses. But MS sees the opportunity, and ... | Feb 23 18:31 |
| schestowitz | 3. MS is trying to keep those SQL Server licenses selling. They're focusing on "the cloud" because that's where managers want to go. Vertical-market packages could use PostgreSQL. Or even MySQL for most of them. But MS needs the revenues from its cash cow. So they're going to have SQL Server as a Service from their cloud to keep vertical-market packages using it and licenses selling. They want to keep their capitve audience. They don't | Feb 23 18:31 |
| schestowitz | care where their vertical-market partners run their apps. Run them on Linux - hey, we'll even port .NET to Linux. But they need to keep them using SQL Server, because it's a cash cow they can't afford to lose over the next decade. Imagine you sell a vertical-market package and you can go to your customers and tell them the next version is in "the cloud" and you'll even tune their SQL Server instance for them. Managers will be all over | Feb 23 18:31 |
| schestowitz | that! | Feb 23 18:31 |
| schestowitz | See you later, bye! | Feb 23 18:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 23 18:31 |
| schestowitz | "Woah, who are you to tell me what I believe? Patronising much?" | Feb 23 18:31 |
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| *[freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots -- please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup | Feb 28 11:42 | |
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| *[freenode-info] if you're at a conference and other people are having trouble connecting, please mention it to staff: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp | Feb 28 15:40 | |
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