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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     You Can Now Upgrade to Linux Mint 17.2Jul 05 00:54
TweetTuxMachines                 "Rafaela" http://t.co/Ts3d19S9uzJul 05 00:54
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 05 00:54
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n077mJul 05 00:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | You Can Now Upgrade to Linux Mint 17.2 "Rafaela" | Tux MachinesJul 05 00:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) to Reach End ofJul 05 00:54
TweetTuxMachines                 Life Soon http://t.co/m7hYT7FWMdJul 05 00:54
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 05 00:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) to Reach End of Life Soon | Tux MachinesJul 05 00:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Intel Has More Graphics Code For Testing, PlansJul 05 00:54
TweetTuxMachines                 For Linux 4.3 http://t.co/pKcszBMjsjJul 05 00:54
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 05 00:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Intel Has More Graphics Code For Testing, Plans For Linux 4.3 | Tux MachinesJul 05 00:54
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cubexyzanyone know of a paint program that can extend an image to the left or to the top?Jul 05 05:51
cubexyznot stretching but adding new spaceJul 05 05:51
msb__cubexyz: Can you just insert your image into the middle of a bigger white space?Jul 05 06:26
cubexyzno, imagemagick 6 or higher has a better methodJul 05 06:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     KDE Plasma 5.3.2 Lands in Kubuntu 15.10 (WilyJul 05 06:26
TweetTuxMachines                 Werewolf) http://t.co/Yf4uwM88nnJul 05 06:26
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 05 06:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Plasma 5.3.2 Lands in Kubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) | Tux MachinesJul 05 06:26
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n09wfJul 05 06:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Parsix GNU/Linux 8.0 to Finally Switch to GNOMEJul 05 06:26
TweetTuxMachines                 3.16, Linux Kernel 4.0 http://t.co/octWzZwRZ5Jul 05 06:26
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 05 06:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Parsix GNU/Linux 8.0 to Finally Switch to GNOME 3.16, Linux Kernel 4.0 | Tux MachinesJul 05 06:26
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n09wgJul 05 06:26
cubexyze.g. convert file.jpg -splice 0x100 splice_top.jpgJul 05 06:27
cubexyzsplices in 100 pixels worth of white space at the topJul 05 06:27
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     YotaPhone drops Android for Sailfish OSJul 05 08:26
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/bmgNIwxLJgJul 05 08:26
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.androidauthority.com)Jul 05 08:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com | YotaPhone drops Android for Sailfish OS - Android AuthorityJul 05 08:26
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     You Can Now Upgrade to Linux Mint 17.2Jul 05 08:27
TweetTuxMachines                 "Rafaela" http://t.co/qyZES9La4CJul 05 08:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | You Can Now Upgrade to Linux Mint 17.2 "Rafaela" - SoftpediaJul 05 08:27
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Jul 05 08:27
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) to Reach End ofJul 05 08:29
TweetTuxMachines                 Life Soon http://t.co/hisrg8q4O9Jul 05 08:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) to Reach End of Life Soon - SoftpediaJul 05 08:29
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Jul 05 08:29
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Intel Has More Graphics Code For Testing, PlansJul 05 08:29
TweetTuxMachines                 For Linux 4.3 http://t.co/fMEVMuDMIvJul 05 08:29
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.phoronix.com)Jul 05 08:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Intel Has More Graphics Code For Testing, Plans For Linux 4.3 - PhoronixJul 05 08:29
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     KDE Plasma 5.3.2 Lands in Kubuntu 15.10 (WilyJul 05 08:29
TweetTuxMachines                 Werewolf) http://t.co/IIAQu38yaeJul 05 08:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | KDE Plasma 5.3.2 Lands in Kubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) - SoftpediaJul 05 08:29
TweetTuxMachines                 (linux.softpedia.com)Jul 05 08:29
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Parsix GNU/Linux 8.0 to Finally Switch to GNOMEJul 05 08:41
TweetTuxMachines                 3.16, Linux Kernel 4.0 http://t.co/lvmQNviBrIJul 05 08:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Parsix GNU/Linux 8.0 to Finally Switch to GNOME 3.16, Linux Kernel 4.0 - SoftpediaJul 05 08:41
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Jul 05 08:41
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Docker Machine 0.3.0 Deep DiveJul 05 08:41
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/1J8hRjTcJ9 (blog.docker.com)Jul 05 08:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.docker.com | Docker Machine 0.3.0 Deep Dive | Docker BlogJul 05 08:41
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Linux Setup - Neil McGovern, Debian ProjectJul 05 08:41
TweetTuxMachines                 Leader http://t.co/qRJYtkqOoxJul 05 08:41
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.mylinuxrig.com)Jul 05 08:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mylinuxrig.com | The Linux Setup - Neil McGovern, Debian Project... - My Linux RigJul 05 08:41
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*TweetTuxMachines @mccourt_360 favourited 'The Linux Setup - Neil McGovern, Debian Project...'Jul 05 08:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The July 2015 issue of the PCLinuxOS MagazineJul 05 08:50
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/kTv1WtaFvU (lxer.com)Jul 05 08:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lxer.com | LXer: The July 2015 issue of the PCLinuxOS MagazineJul 05 08:50
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Linux Setup - Neil McGovern, Debian ProjectJul 05 08:53
TweetTuxMachines                 Leader http://t.co/pD2hWSOOKlJul 05 08:53
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 05 08:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Linux Setup - Neil McGovern, Debian Project Leader | Tux MachinesJul 05 08:53
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The July 2015 issue of the PCLinuxOS MagazineJul 05 08:53
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/f6FKFEmBOP (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 05 08:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The July 2015 issue of the PCLinuxOS Magazine | Tux MachinesJul 05 08:53
*TweetTuxMachines @tlongren favourited 'Docker Machine 0.3.0 Deep Dive http://t.co/1J8hRjTcJ9'Jul 05 09:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Touch OTA-5 Will Bring a New ThumbnailerJul 05 09:05
TweetTuxMachines                 in Unity 8, Support for RefundsJul 05 09:05
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/Q3YsAo7Lkz (news.softpedia.com)Jul 05 09:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch OTA-5 Will Bring a New Thumbnailer in Unity 8, Support for Refunds - SoftpediaJul 05 09:05
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*TweetTuxMachines @Ubuntu_topics favourited 'Ubuntu Touch OTA-5 Will Bring a New Thumbnailer...'Jul 05 09:16
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux 4.2 Bringing Support For ARCv2, HS38 CPUJul 05 09:16
TweetTuxMachines                 Cores http://t.co/JXeqFea011 (www.phoronix.com)Jul 05 09:16
TweetTuxMachines                 also http://t.co/k9pyWAqFIS (www.phoronix.com)Jul 05 09:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Linux 4.2 Bringing Support For ARCv2, HS38 CPU Cores - PhoronixJul 05 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Radeon & AMDGPU DRM Fixes Queue Up For Linux 4.2 - PhoronixJul 05 09:16
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Snappy Open House Is Your Chance to GetJul 05 09:16
TweetTuxMachines                 Familiar with Ubuntu SnappyJul 05 09:16
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/hQJkcQaEgh (linux.softpedia.com)Jul 05 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Snappy Open House Is Your Chance to Get Familiar with Ubuntu Snappy - SoftpediaJul 05 09:16
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     First Ubuntu Snappy Open House Announced,Jul 05 09:27
TweetTuxMachines                 UbuCon Germany Planning ContinuesJul 05 09:27
TweetTuxMachines                  http://t.co/mSjCbxv8c8 (linux.softpedia.com)Jul 05 09:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | First Ubuntu Snappy Open House Announced, UbuCon Germany Planning Continues - SoftpediaJul 05 09:27
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n0bggJul 05 09:27
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Benchmarks Of 54 Different Intel/AMD LinuxJul 05 09:27
TweetTuxMachines                 Systems http://t.co/4tEVpi246lJul 05 09:27
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.phoronix.com)Jul 05 09:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Benchmarks Of 54 Different Intel/AMD Linux Systems - PhoronixJul 05 09:27
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n0bghJul 05 09:27
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Touch OTA-5 Will Bring a New ThumbnailerJul 05 09:28
TweetTuxMachines                 in Unity 8, Support for RefundsJul 05 09:28
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/NOHo5ISXkN (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 05 09:28
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n0bgkJul 05 09:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch OTA-5 Will Bring a New Thumbnailer in Unity 8, Support for Refunds | Tux MachinesJul 05 09:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux 4.2 Bringing Support For ARCv2, HS38 CPUJul 05 09:28
TweetTuxMachines                 Cores http://t.co/dmwhdkIvCBJul 05 09:28
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 05 09:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 4.2 Bringing Support For ARCv2, HS38 CPU Cores | Tux MachinesJul 05 09:28
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Snappy Open House Is Your Chance to GetJul 05 10:08
TweetTuxMachines                 Familiar with Ubuntu SnappyJul 05 10:08
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/nhksLI1liG (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 05 10:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Snappy Open House Is Your Chance to Get Familiar with Ubuntu Snappy | Tux MachinesJul 05 10:08
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Benchmarks Of 54 Different Intel/AMD LinuxJul 05 10:08
TweetTuxMachines                 Systems http://t.co/fQNxomw5QKJul 05 10:08
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 05 10:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Benchmarks Of 54 Different Intel/AMD Linux Systems | Tux MachinesJul 05 10:08
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r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/DaveGaleUK/status/617656087815319553Jul 05 15:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@DaveGaleUK: @schestowitz Plenty more where that came from: https://t.co/RxcztlwwcaJul 05 15:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> tadag.wordpress.com | History | tadag - Trusted Authenticated Domains and GatewaysJul 05 15:15
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/mellenoweth/status/617683351042957314Jul 05 15:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mellenoweth: @schestowitz looked it up, very interesting!Jul 05 15:16
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/spastri/status/617710197369274368Jul 05 16:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@spastri: @schestowitz and people are fed up with them! #Greece #referendum #NOJul 05 16:05
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/spastri/status/617710416492277760Jul 05 16:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@spastri: "Greece's majority outlets are owned by corporate titans and other oligarchs" and people are fed up with them! https://t.co/KZJ0tET9JAJul 05 16:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Greece's biggest news outlets are owned by corporate titans and other "oligarchs"" http://t.co/ivZqITiSPH #greeceJul 05 16:05
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/saitta_chris/status/617710752338542592Jul 05 16:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@saitta_chris: @schestowitz That will all be eating Chinese food soonJul 05 16:06
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux 4.2 Offers Performance Improvements ForJul 05 16:26
TweetTuxMachines                 Non-Transparent Bridging http://t.co/waTQcRkVJcJul 05 16:26
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 05 16:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 4.2 Offers Performance Improvements For Non-Transparent Bridging | Tux MachinesJul 05 16:26
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r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/saitta_chris/status/617712899633491968Jul 05 16:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@saitta_chris: @schestowitz I think Greece, Turkey, Italy, Egypt, Cyprus, Spain, Portugal, Ireland should create their own Union, UK and France are welcomeJul 05 16:30
r_schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6297117Jul 05 16:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #snowden did not pass documents electronically to journalists; did it in person in #hk after communicating not so securely with GreenwaldJul 05 16:33
r_schestowitz"Jul 05 16:33
r_schestowitzYou can watch the download using rsync (with Tails) in the film Citizenfour. Snowden typed a passphrase out of sight of everyone in the room to start the second transfer. It was interesting to me that he confidently said he couldn’t be compelled to give up the documents. I suspect he provided a way to make it impossible for him to get to the documents after he had passed them on to Poitras and Greenwald.Jul 05 16:33
r_schestowitzI’ve been thinking how I would make something like that happen. I think the best way would be to copy the documents to a virtual machine, and then remotely restart that machine when I was sure the documents were copied to Greenwald’s SD cards. (We see him pull one SD card out and replace it with another. He then says something about marking one of them with a Sharpie to keep the two (with similar directory structure) from being Jul 05 16:33
r_schestowitzconfused. Greenwald booted Tails from a memory stick. We see that happen too.Jul 05 16:33
r_schestowitzSnowden didn’t take the documents to Moscow; he didn’t even take a physical copy to Hong Kong. Schneier speculates that something may have been copied surreptitiously from Greenwald by one or more governments. Greenwald admits his lack of understanding to computer security and encryption in his book. I’d use Tails booted from the DVD when I wanted to read and copy from the documents. I’d keep the whole cache on SD cards or memory Jul 05 16:33
r_schestowitzsticks with one, LUKS-encrypted EXT4 partition. I’d decrypt the files only after I’d copied them to Tails home directory. I’d never let the unencrypted stuff touch a storage medium.Jul 05 16:33
r_schestowitzFor more info, read No Place to Hide, by Greenwald.Jul 05 16:33
r_schestowitz"Jul 05 16:33
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Lava to Launch Google Android One 2.0Jul 05 16:56
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/QASgLhGaZ5 (www.ibtimes.co.in)Jul 05 16:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.co.in | Lava to Launch Google Android One 2.0 Series with Mid-Range Specifications in Mid-July: ReportJul 05 16:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Samsung Continues to Lessen Android DependenceJul 05 16:56
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/Us58fLVmdP (www.fool.com)Jul 05 16:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fool.com | Samsung Continues to Lessen Android Dependence -- The Motley FoolJul 05 16:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Is Android the New Windows?Jul 05 16:56
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/wudYVczsmL (recode.net)Jul 05 16:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-recode.net | Is Android the New Windows? | Re/codeJul 05 16:56
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Report: Better Android One devices to launch inJul 05 17:17
TweetTuxMachines                 India, cost $189 http://t.co/BaG9Sr7dNiJul 05 17:17
TweetTuxMachines                 (arstechnica.com)Jul 05 17:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Report: Better Android One devices to launch in India, cost $189 | Ars TechnicaJul 05 17:17
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Android Version Of The Dolphin NintendoJul 05 17:17
TweetTuxMachines                 Gamecube/Wii Emulator Is Coming Along Nicely -Jul 05 17:17
TweetTuxMachines                 Here It Is Running http://t.co/RE7E2GEKNTJul 05 17:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpolice.com | The Android Version Of The Dolphin Nintendo Gamecube/Wii Emulator Is Coming Along Nicely - Here It Is Running On A SHIELD TVJul 05 17:17
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.androidpolice.com)Jul 05 17:17
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Is this Blackberry's Android phone? LeakedJul 05 17:17
TweetTuxMachines                 image reveals curved 'Venice' handsetJul 05 17:17
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/sGRt8a9ka9 (www.dailymail.co.uk)Jul 05 17:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk | Blackberry's curved 'Venice' Android phone in leaked image | Daily Mail OnlineJul 05 17:17
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Samsung Continues to Lessen Android DependenceJul 05 18:31
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/I9PoQTg1te (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 05 18:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Samsung Continues to Lessen Android Dependence | Tux MachinesJul 05 18:31
*TweetTuxMachines @speedytux retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Samsung Continues to Lessen Android Dependence http://t.co/I9PoQTg1te'Jul 05 18:31
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XRevan86https://xakep.ru/2011/12/26/58104 Interesting story. In Russian though.Jul 05 22:26
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XRevan86I can't find it in English.Jul 05 22:26
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Debian/TeX Live 2015.20150703-1Jul 05 22:56
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/BBtF4mL71A (www.preining.info)Jul 05 22:56
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n0iewJul 05 22:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.preining.info | Debian/TeX Live 2015.20150703-1 | There and back againJul 05 22:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     gnome Donations within the EU are now handledJul 05 23:45
TweetTuxMachines                 through the Wau Holland FoundationJul 05 23:45
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/rexvq212iq (www.gnome.org)Jul 05 23:45
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n0iuiJul 05 23:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnome.org | Donations within the EU are now handled through the Wau Holland Foundation – GNOMEJul 05 23:45
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux 4.2 Offers Performance Improvements ForJul 05 23:46
TweetTuxMachines                 Non-Transparent Bridging http://t.co/MOpCnqh7xuJul 05 23:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Linux 4.2 Offers Performance Improvements For Non-Transparent Bridging - PhoronixJul 05 23:46
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.phoronix.com)Jul 05 23:46
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n0iujJul 05 23:46
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     illume OS 3 Linux Distro Officially Released,Jul 05 23:46
TweetTuxMachines                 Based on Debian 8.1 "Jessie"Jul 05 23:46
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/f1gBQLI2cv (news.softpedia.com)Jul 05 23:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | illume OS 3 Linux Distro Officially Released, Based on Debian 8.1 "Jessie" - SoftpediaJul 05 23:46
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n0iukJul 05 23:46
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     LibreOffice 5, a foundation for the futureJul 06 00:28
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/bvkIy5XWtG (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 06 00:28
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n0j7qJul 06 00:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice 5, a foundation for the future | Tux MachinesJul 06 00:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     illume OS 3 Linux Distro Officially Released,Jul 06 00:28
TweetTuxMachines                 Based on Debian 8.1 "Jessie"Jul 06 00:28
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/QpENJjvKOo (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 06 00:28
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n0j7rJul 06 00:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | illume OS 3 Linux Distro Officially Released, Based on Debian 8.1 "Jessie" | Tux MachinesJul 06 00:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Do Your Prefer Modern Or Traditional LinuxJul 06 00:28
TweetTuxMachines                 Desktop Environments? http://t.co/YGXzhzWUmnJul 06 00:28
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 06 00:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Do Your Prefer Modern Or Traditional Linux Desktop Environments? | Tux MachinesJul 06 00:28
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n0j7sJul 06 00:28
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux 4.2-rc1 http://t.co/YmUqeqNKu7Jul 06 06:05
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 06 06:05
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n0m9uJul 06 06:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 4.2-rc1 | Tux MachinesJul 06 06:05
TweetTuxMachines@jfoxdev         @tuxmachines Ugh 4.2 already?  I'm still tryingJul 06 06:05
TweetTuxMachines                 to patch fglrx for 4.1!Jul 06 06:05
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n0m9vJul 06 06:05
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Brushfire Games On Their Linux Sales ForJul 06 08:48
TweetTuxMachines                 Shipwreck & Their Thoughts On LinuxJul 06 08:48
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/TKTbUqHMNK (www.gamingonlinux.com)Jul 06 08:48
TweetTuxMachines                 "4.40% Linux"Jul 06 08:49
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n0ncsJul 06 08:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Brushfire Games On Their Linux Sales For Shipwreck & Their Thoughts On Linux | GamingOnLinuxJul 06 08:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     "It's good to see another Daedalic publishedJul 06 08:49
TweetTuxMachines                 game made available for Linux." Jul 06 08:49
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/cbQl0mugXH (www.gamingonlinux.com)Jul 06 08:49
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n0ncvJul 06 08:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Point-And-Click Adventure 'Anna's Quest' Released On GOG And Steam For Linux | GamingOnLinuxJul 06 08:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Do Your Prefer Modern Or Traditional LinuxJul 06 09:02
TweetTuxMachines                 Desktop Environments?  http://t.co/Sw81PZFv5oJul 06 09:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.everydaylinuxuser.com | Do Your Prefer Modern Or Traditional Linux Desktop Environments? « Everyday Linux UserJul 06 09:02
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.everydaylinuxuser.com)Jul 06 09:02
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n0nh0Jul 06 09:02
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux 4.2-rc1 http://t.co/tckvBY3MPNJul 06 09:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.iu.edu | Linux-Kernel Archive: Linux 4.2-rc1Jul 06 09:03
TweetTuxMachines                 (lkml.iu.edu)Jul 06 09:03
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n0nh1Jul 06 09:03
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Systemd 222 Will Do Away With Its AccelerometerJul 06 09:03
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/sK0vJzmMRY (www.phoronix.com)Jul 06 09:03
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n0nh3Jul 06 09:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Systemd 222 Will Do Away With Its Accelerometer - PhoronixJul 06 09:03
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Many New Features Of The Linux 4.2 KernelJul 06 09:48
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/HgjlTY1rrc (www.phoronix.com)Jul 06 09:48
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n0nukJul 06 09:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | New Features Of The Linux 4.2 Kernel - PhoronixJul 06 09:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Links 6/7/2015: Linux 4.2-rc1, YotaPhone PicksJul 06 09:48
TweetTuxMachines                 SailfishOS http://t.co/h7383tGHZdJul 06 09:49
TweetTuxMachines                 (techrights.org)Jul 06 09:49
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n0nulJul 06 09:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 6/7/2015: Linux 4.2-rc1, YotaPhone Picks Sailfish OS | TechrightsJul 06 09:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android Leftovers http://t.co/3HTAhO6yceJul 06 09:49
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 06 09:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJul 06 09:49
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n0numJul 06 09:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/9peTEEg6TsJul 06 09:49
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 06 09:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux MachinesJul 06 09:49
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n0nupJul 06 09:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos http://t.co/35itRYGi7hJul 06 09:49
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 06 09:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJul 06 09:49
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n0nuqJul 06 09:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Software http://t.co/3JREhhCmpIJul 06 09:49
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 06 09:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux MachinesJul 06 09:49
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n0nurJul 06 09:49
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's leftovers http://t.co/dbG2Y90bAvJul 06 13:05
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 06 13:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesJul 06 13:05
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n0pkbJul 06 13:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights http://t.co/9oD0eHqa43Jul 06 13:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesJul 06 13:05
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 06 13:05
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n0pkcJul 06 13:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights http://t.co/E99NWP9DBrJul 06 13:05
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 06 13:05
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n0pkdJul 06 13:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesJul 06 13:05
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roy__https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/618092428390608896Jul 06 17:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz (price of syccess...?)Jul 06 17:24
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roy__https://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/618095784395935744Jul 06 17:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz PC World are learning - they're a lot better than they used to be. Some of the staff have even heard of Linux! :-)Jul 06 17:35
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gde33https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDMOdaJMruMJul 06 18:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | The Network of Global Corporate Control June 2 & 23 - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/n0tdm ]Jul 06 18:42
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roy__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6297742Jul 06 19:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post?Jul 06 19:19
roy__""We just want to ensure that terrorists anyone do not have a safe space in which to communicate. That is the challenge, and it is a challenge that will come in front of the House."Jul 06 19:19
roy__"So he’s admtting that he’s making the internet totally unsafe.'Jul 06 19:19
roy__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6297552Jul 06 19:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Greek town of Livadeia switched to #LibreOffice https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/node/144304 #odf #freesw #greeceJul 06 19:20
roy__"They should have enabled TLS, while at it."Jul 06 19:20
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Audio-Video Production On Linux: Best SoftwareJul 06 20:22
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/kT0KbsYVbx (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 06 20:22
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n0uhoJul 06 20:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audio-Video Production On Linux: Best Software | Tux MachinesJul 06 20:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Firefox 40 to Bring Better Performance,Jul 06 20:22
TweetTuxMachines                 Scrolling, and Graphics on LinuxJul 06 20:22
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/wnUI3yUj8e (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 06 20:22
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n0uhrJul 06 20:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Firefox 40 to Bring Better Performance, Scrolling, and Graphics on Linux | Tux MachinesJul 06 20:22
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Mint 17.2 launches with big Cinnamon andJul 06 20:22
TweetTuxMachines                 MATE desktop improvementsJul 06 20:22
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/ypwPIkSDd6 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 06 20:22
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n0uhsJul 06 20:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint 17.2 launches with big Cinnamon and MATE desktop improvements | Tux MachinesJul 06 20:22
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNOME's Photos App to Receive Editing, Import,Jul 06 21:10
TweetTuxMachines                 and Sharing Features http://t.co/7wUGIQtmfOJul 06 21:10
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 06 21:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME's Photos App to Receive Editing, Import, and Sharing Features | Tux MachinesJul 06 21:10
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n0uzpJul 06 21:10
*TweetTuxMachines @MarketingCor favourited 'Audio-Video Production On Linux: Best Software http://t.co/kT0KbsYVbx'Jul 06 21:10
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     4MLinux 13.0 Operating System Has a HighlyJul 06 22:09
TweetTuxMachines                 Customized JWM ExperienceJul 06 22:09
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/W6yXzihYNc (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 06 22:09
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n0xihJul 06 22:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 4MLinux 13.0 Operating System Has a Highly Customized JWM Experience | Tux MachinesJul 06 22:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Solus OS Gets UEFI Fixes and Better PowerJul 06 22:09
TweetTuxMachines                 Consumption for Laptops http://t.co/abrZPUKfUAJul 06 22:09
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 06 22:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Solus OS Gets UEFI Fixes and Better Power Consumption for Laptops | Tux MachinesJul 06 22:09
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n0xilJul 06 22:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Python and Raspberry Pi in educationJul 06 22:09
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/8BB3ZVNLbC (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 06 22:09
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n0xiqJul 06 22:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Python and Raspberry Pi in education | Tux MachinesJul 06 22:09
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*TweetTuxMachines @developrise favourited 'Python and Raspberry Pi in education http://t.co/8BB3ZVNLbC'Jul 06 22:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     It's Now Easier Managing Systemd In KDEJul 06 22:55
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/gybrWBmObd (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 06 22:55
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n12kmJul 06 22:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | It's Now Easier Managing Systemd In KDE | Tux MachinesJul 06 22:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Next Tizen Smartphone, Samsung Z3 SM-Z300H,Jul 06 22:55
TweetTuxMachines                 Imported to india for TestingJul 06 22:56
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/4LlaofUTKd (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 06 22:56
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n12lmJul 06 22:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Next Tizen Smartphone, Samsung Z3 SM-Z300H, Imported to india for Testing | Tux MachinesJul 06 22:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GPS Navigation for Ubuntu Touch Gets MoreJul 06 22:56
TweetTuxMachines                 Features http://t.co/ajS4DNvlIiJul 06 22:56
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 06 22:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GPS Navigation for Ubuntu Touch Gets More Features | Tux MachinesJul 06 22:56
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n12lwJul 06 22:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Developers Working on Feature Parity forJul 06 22:56
TweetTuxMachines                 Unity 8 - Video http://t.co/14ZFYUriIeJul 06 22:56
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 06 22:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Developers Working on Feature Parity for Unity 8 - Video | Tux MachinesJul 06 22:56
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ArrowSparrow/status/618203357514051584Jul 07 00:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ArrowSparrow: @schestowitz we have no time all these activities. You are Pro.Jul 07 00:45
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AdmFubarhi all thought I'd pass this along in case is hasn't been seen Jul 07 01:58
AdmFubarhttp://www.linuxjournal.com/content/privacy-personalJul 07 01:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxjournal.com | Privacy Is Personal | Linux Journal [ http://ur1.ca/n1az1 ]Jul 07 01:58
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Developers Working on Feature Parity forJul 07 02:08
TweetTuxMachines                 Unity 8 - Video http://t.co/S9Cz35LxvaJul 07 02:08
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Speech recognition and synthesis shield runsJul 07 02:08
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux http://t.co/CcQJJUl916Jul 07 02:08
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 07 02:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Speech recognition and synthesis shield runs Linux | Tux MachinesJul 07 02:08
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     An Introduction to Linux ContainersJul 07 02:08
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/vO3e1nCYbS (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 07 02:08
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n1b2aJul 07 02:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | An Introduction to Linux Containers | Tux MachinesJul 07 02:08
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oiaohmhttp://www.scrye.com/wordpress/nirik/2015/07/06/gnome-on-wayland-testing/  interesting progressJul 07 08:09
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/reptoidz/status/618282510443659264Jul 07 08:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@reptoidz: @schestowitz there is no "patent extortion" it's the law. Android doesn't need exfat support to function. That's for SD cards.Jul 07 08:20
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Audio-Video Production On Linux: Best SoftwareJul 07 08:33
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/4jPL7LFC0q (www.datamation.com)Jul 07 08:33
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n1e2gJul 07 08:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datamation.com | Audio-Video Production On Linux: Best Software - DatamationJul 07 08:33
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Firefox 40 to Bring Better Performance,Jul 07 08:36
TweetTuxMachines                 Scrolling, and Graphics on LinuxJul 07 08:36
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/b3UDrX9GmT (news.softpedia.com)Jul 07 08:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Firefox 40 to Bring Better Performance, Scrolling, and Graphics on Linux - SoftpediaJul 07 08:36
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n1e3jJul 07 08:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNOME's Photos App to Receive Editing, Import,Jul 07 08:36
TweetTuxMachines                 and Sharing Features http://t.co/OtjeMEk8OaJul 07 08:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | GNOME's Photos App to Receive Editing, Import, and Sharing Features - SoftpediaJul 07 08:36
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Jul 07 08:36
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Mint 17.2 launches with big Cinnamon andJul 07 08:37
TweetTuxMachines                 MATE desktop improvementsJul 07 08:37
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/RO4b8DhU5W (www.pcworld.com)Jul 07 08:37
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n1e3lJul 07 08:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com | Linux Mint 17.2 launches with big Cinnamon and MATE desktop improvements | PCWorldJul 07 08:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     4MLinux 13.0 Operating System Has a HighlyJul 07 08:37
TweetTuxMachines                 Customized JWM ExperienceJul 07 08:37
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/MN97GikSrD (news.softpedia.com)Jul 07 08:37
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n1e3mJul 07 08:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | 4MLinux 13.0 Operating System Has a Highly Customized JWM Experience - SoftpediaJul 07 08:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Solus OS Gets UEFI Fixes and Better PowerJul 07 08:41
TweetTuxMachines                 Consumption for Laptops http://t.co/YqqJxl2EOHJul 07 08:41
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Jul 07 08:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Solus OS Gets UEFI Fixes and Better Power Consumption for Laptops - SoftpediaJul 07 08:41
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Python and Raspberry Pi in educationJul 07 08:41
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/ft78KzkIFl (opensource.com)Jul 07 08:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com | Raspberry Pi and Python in education | Opensource.comJul 07 08:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Oxide Vulnerabilities Closed in Ubuntu OSesJul 07 08:42
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/kwMjnp1xNi (linux.softpedia.com)Jul 07 08:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Oxide Vulnerabilities Closed in Ubuntu OSes - SoftpediaJul 07 08:42
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     It's Now Easier Managing Systemd In KDEJul 07 08:44
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/Jz1VRvNel5 (www.phoronix.com)Jul 07 08:44
TweetTuxMachines                 performance poor since I moved to it (not byJul 07 08:44
TweetTuxMachines                 choice)Jul 07 08:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | It's Now Easier Managing Systemd In KDE - PhoronixJul 07 08:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Next Tizen Smartphone, Samsung Z3 SM-Z300H,Jul 07 08:44
TweetTuxMachines                 Imported to india for TestingJul 07 08:44
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/nKi3FUIEER (www.tizenexperts.com)Jul 07 08:44
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n1e63Jul 07 08:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Next Tizen Smartphone, Samsung Z3 SM-Z300H, Imported to india for TestingTizen ExpertsJul 07 08:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GPS Navigation for Ubuntu Touch Gets MoreJul 07 08:44
TweetTuxMachines                 Features http://t.co/z2uoLDVBWtJul 07 08:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | GPS Navigation for Ubuntu Touch Gets More Features - SoftpediaJul 07 08:44
TweetTuxMachines                 (linux.softpedia.com)Jul 07 08:44
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Developers Working on Feature Parity forJul 07 08:54
TweetTuxMachines                 Unity 8 - Video http://t.co/W3jK8drYX0Jul 07 08:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Developers Working on Feature Parity for Unity 8 - Video - SoftpediaJul 07 08:54
TweetTuxMachines                 (linux.softpedia.com)Jul 07 08:54
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n1e8rJul 07 08:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Speech recognition and synthesis shield runsJul 07 08:54
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux http://t.co/yzuP8eSemw (linuxgizmos.com)Jul 07 08:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Speech recognition and synthesis shield runs Linux ·  LinuxGizmos.comJul 07 08:54
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n1e8sJul 07 08:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     An Introduction to Linux ContainersJul 07 08:54
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/CgTowqQ3gkJul 07 08:54
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.smallbusinesscomputing.com)Jul 07 08:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smallbusinesscomputing.com | An Introduction to Linux ContainersJul 07 08:54
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n1e8tJul 07 08:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Containers change the gameJul 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/miyVZ1FSMm (www.infoworld.com)Jul 07 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infoworld.com | Containers create composable applicationsJul 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/CJZ5zqxYB5 (www.dbta.com)Jul 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n1ehgJul 07 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dbta.com | IBM Rolls Out Docker-Based Container Services - Database Trends and ApplicationsJul 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Structuring RedHat’s pipeline to deliverJul 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines                 consistent results http://t.co/dqtQzqksQVJul 07 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-siliconangle.com | Structuring RedHat’s pipeline to deliver consistent results | #RHSummit | SiliconANGLEJul 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines                 (siliconangle.com)Jul 07 09:15
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n1ehhJul 07 09:15
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/mdouka/status/618335399480406017Jul 07 09:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mdouka: Free and Open-Source Video Editor Shotcut Gets Better 4K Support http://t.co/d5EOgNooXw via @rightrelevance thanks @schestowitzJul 07 09:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Free and Open-Source Video Editor Shotcut Gets Better 4K Support - SoftpediaJul 07 09:39
*TweetTuxMachines @mccourt_360 favourited 'Structuring RedHat’s pipeline to deliver consistent results http://t.co/dqtQzqksQV'Jul 07 09:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux on the desktop is so hot there's now aJul 07 09:48
TweetTuxMachines                 fight over it http://t.co/YmXaPOFbbUJul 07 09:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Linux on the desktop is so hot there's now a fight over it • The RegisterJul 07 09:48
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.theregister.co.uk)Jul 07 09:48
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n1eskJul 07 09:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat http://t.co/XudZE0szqmJul 07 09:48
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 07 09:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat | Tux MachinesJul 07 09:48
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n1eslJul 07 09:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Containers http://t.co/0SfT6A8GVvJul 07 10:09
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 07 10:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Containers | Tux MachinesJul 07 10:09
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n1exuJul 07 10:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux on the desktop is so hot there's now aJul 07 10:09
TweetTuxMachines                 fight over it http://t.co/TYlwRwfUIdJul 07 10:09
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 07 10:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux on the desktop is so hot there's now a fight over it | Tux MachinesJul 07 10:09
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n1exvJul 07 10:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     How I Discovered Linux & Changed the WorldJul 07 10:09
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/16HhL4XEjk (fossforce.com)Jul 07 10:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | How I Discovered Linux & Changed the World | FOSS ForceJul 07 10:09
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n1exyJul 07 10:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     New Features Of The Linux 4.2 KernelJul 07 10:17
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/C1nsRZohhP (www.phoronix.com)Jul 07 10:17
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n1f0nJul 07 10:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | New Features Of The Linux 4.2 Kernel - PhoronixJul 07 10:17
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Xbox Wireless Controller LEDs Work On Linux 4.2Jul 07 10:17
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/h7eShlYuO5 (www.phoronix.com)Jul 07 10:17
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n1f0oJul 07 10:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Thanks Valve, Xbox Wireless Controller LEDs Work On Linux 4.2 - PhoronixJul 07 10:17
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     "inconvenient to use port 443 for SSH, becauseJul 07 10:17
TweetTuxMachines                 it meant I couldn't host secure Web sites onJul 07 10:17
TweetTuxMachines                 that server." http://t.co/USa3O2NkiAJul 07 10:17
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.linuxjournal.com)Jul 07 10:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxjournal.com | One Port to Rule Them All! | Linux JournalJul 07 10:17
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msb__A favorite song:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TvfBxIkupAJul 07 10:44
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msb__"Come all you working men, farmers and weavers too:  If you could only stand as one, this world belongs to you."Jul 07 10:47
msb__"Two thousand years have passed and gone, many a hero too, but the dream of this poor carpenter remains in the hands of you."Jul 07 10:52
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     LliureX 15.05 Screencast and Screenshots Jul 07 11:34
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/3K2kr170ay (www.linuxquestions.org)Jul 07 11:34
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n1floJul 07 11:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxquestions.org | LliureX 15.05 Screencast and ScreenshotsJul 07 11:34
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     It's Been Five Months Since I Left Ubuntu ForJul 07 11:34
TweetTuxMachines                 Fedora On My Main WorkstationJul 07 11:34
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/I9mGnKUh0U (www.phoronix.com)Jul 07 11:34
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n1flpJul 07 11:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | It's Been Five Months Since I Left Ubuntu For Fedora On My Main Workstation - PhoronixJul 07 11:34
TweetTuxMachines@sopadebits      RT @tuxmachines Windows Could Receive a HardJul 07 11:34
TweetTuxMachines                 Blow As Linux Is Finally Being Considered forJul 07 11:34
TweetTuxMachines                 ATMs http://t.co/gKMzoeMzXfJul 07 11:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Windows Could Receive a Hard Blow As Linux Is Finally Being Considered for ATMs - SoftpediaJul 07 11:34
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Jul 07 11:34
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n1flqJul 07 11:34
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux provides career transition after militaryJul 07 11:35
TweetTuxMachines                 service http://t.co/dkLiubml1gJul 07 11:35
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 07 11:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux provides career transition after military service | Tux MachinesJul 07 11:35
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Kernel http://t.co/a2jfjqCk9BJul 07 11:35
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 07 11:35
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n1fltJul 07 11:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Kernel | Tux MachinesJul 07 11:35
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     openSUSE Leap 42 Is a New Version That WillJul 07 11:35
TweetTuxMachines                 Change the openSUSE ProjectJul 07 11:35
cubexyzwasn't linux already used for ATMs?Jul 07 11:35
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/aksdQe2lcb (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 07 11:35
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n1fluJul 07 11:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | openSUSE Leap 42 Is a New Version That Will Change the openSUSE Project | Tux MachinesJul 07 11:35
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Lenovo ThinkPad L450 comes with UbuntuJul 07 11:35
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/tmUYZwRglm (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 07 11:35
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n1flvJul 07 11:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Lenovo ThinkPad L450 comes with Ubuntu | Tux MachinesJul 07 11:35
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cubexyzIndian banks use linux based ATMs since 2014Jul 07 11:57
cubexyzalso Brazil, since 2008Jul 07 11:58
cubexyzand ATMs existed before MicrosoftJul 07 11:59
cubexyzmore of a case of people not knowing historyJul 07 12:00
cubexyzmaybe they think computers didn't exist before Microsoft, lolJul 07 12:00
cubexyzcheck Banrisul, the largest bank in southern Brazil...Jul 07 12:03
cubexyzthey actually went from MSDOS to LinuxJul 07 12:03
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     EC publishes open source code of legislationJul 07 12:05
TweetTuxMachines                 editor http://t.co/AtCpP6b67pJul 07 12:05
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 07 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | EC publishes open source code of legislation editor | Tux MachinesJul 07 12:05
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n1fugJul 07 12:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     LibreOffice 5.0: A Unique ReleaseJul 07 12:05
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/WdOC5ekxMm (ostatic.com)Jul 07 12:05
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n1fuhJul 07 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com | LibreOffice 5.0: A Unique ReleaseJul 07 12:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Kernel Summit 2015: Call for ProposalsJul 07 12:05
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/D1UuOD4RaJ (lwn.net)Jul 07 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lwn.net | Kernel Summit 2015: Call for Proposals [LWN.net]Jul 07 12:05
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n1fukJul 07 12:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Kernel 3.19.8 CKT2 Has Been ReleasedJul 07 12:06
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/AZZ8c78i4G (linuxg.net)Jul 07 12:06
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n1fv8Jul 07 12:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net | Kernel 3.19.8 CKT2 Has Been Released | LinuxG.netJul 07 12:06
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux provides career transition after militaryJul 07 12:06
TweetTuxMachines                 service http://t.co/oemGwSyUeY (opensource.com)Jul 07 12:06
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n1fv9Jul 07 12:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com | Chase Crum shares his Linux story | Opensource.comJul 07 12:06
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Lenovo ThinkPad L450 comes with UbuntuJul 07 12:06
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/a5LPa04VoN (indianexpress.com)Jul 07 12:06
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n1fvaJul 07 12:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-indianexpress.com | Lenovo ThinkPad L450 comes with Ubuntu | The Indian ExpressJul 07 12:06
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Links 7/7/2015: Lenovo ThinkPad With GNU/Linux,Jul 07 12:30
TweetTuxMachines                 More Containers Hype http://t.co/YYPwlk84oeJul 07 12:30
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*TweetTuxMachines @Miladsob favourited 'Linux provides career transition after military service http://t.co/oemGwSyUeY'Jul 07 12:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 7/7/2015: Lenovo ThinkPad With GNU/Linux, More Containers Hype | TechrightsJul 07 12:30
msb__Suse Leap42:  It will be coded in Esperanto and executed by a midget inside your computer.Jul 07 12:34
cubexyzoiaohm, another observation about X...Jul 07 13:41
cubexyzunder certain conditions the text screen can be transformed into a corrupted X screenJul 07 13:42
cubexyzthen /sbin/modprobe radeonfb fixes itJul 07 13:43
cubexyzno idea why it happens, don't even understand why loading radeonfb fixes itJul 07 13:43
oiaohmcubexyz: it called memory miss management.Jul 07 13:44
cubexyzany idea why loading radeonfb returns the text console to normal?Jul 07 13:44
oiaohmX11 and framebuffer are in fact bothing running at the same time.Jul 07 13:44
oiaohmThe Linux text based console is in fact done to framebuffer.Jul 07 13:45
oiaohmSo reloading the radeonfb causes the framebuffer stuff to reset.Jul 07 13:45
oiaohmBasically we need to get off framebuffer and dri and on to pure KMS.Jul 07 13:46
cubexyzI guess one could look at the radeonfb code and try to puzzle it outJul 07 13:46
oiaohmcubexyz: loading any fb driver that works with the card would trigger the fix.Jul 07 13:46
cubexyzalso the text is pulled to leftJul 07 13:46
oiaohmAMD/ATI cards are known for o my god I leaked data.Jul 07 13:47
oiaohmcubexyz: I guess what using closed source amd driver.Jul 07 13:47
cubexyzI can jig things over with "fbset -move right"Jul 07 13:48
oiaohmcubexyz: I mostly run NVIDIAJul 07 13:48
cubexyzold CRT so who knows :)Jul 07 13:48
oiaohmor IntelJul 07 13:48
cubexyzyou don't use open source video driver?Jul 07 13:48
oiaohmcubexyz: open source intel.Jul 07 13:49
cubexyzI got to make my own distro somedayJul 07 13:49
oiaohmI am hoping AMDGPU unified driver a lot last fixes the AMD super leak in new cards.Jul 07 13:50
oiaohmlot/longJul 07 13:50
cubexyzthere must be some default framebuffer for text?Jul 07 13:51
MinceRsystemd will have one :>Jul 07 13:51
cubexyzdoesn't seem to be a module (I can't see one)Jul 07 13:51
oiaohmcubexyz: Linux writes it text into screen by framebuffer.Jul 07 13:51
MinceRit will occasionally require you to reboot, though :>Jul 07 13:51
oiaohmcubexyz: planned to be replaced at some point by KMSCONJul 07 13:51
cubexyzradeonfb doesn't show up in process status eitherJul 07 13:54
cubexyzpart of X I guessJul 07 13:55
oiaohmNo radeonfb is part of kernel.Jul 07 13:56
oiaohmcubexyz: lsmod should show it.Jul 07 13:57
oiaohmcubexyz: kernel modules don't exactly appear in process table.Jul 07 13:57
oiaohmcubexyz: this is a Linux long term project https://dvdhrm.wordpress.com/2012/08/12/killing-off-config_vt/Jul 07 13:59
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MinceRif people miss having to reboot so much, why don't they go back to windows?Jul 07 14:01
MinceR"This definitely needs to be replaced by a more internationalized console."Jul 07 14:02
MinceRsomebody needs to be told about windowing systemsJul 07 14:02
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oiaohmMinceR: part of moving vt to userspace is so a console death is not kernel panic as well.Jul 07 14:04
MinceRapparently they also want to bloat the VT so it couldn't be used for troubleshooting if it didn't dieJul 07 14:05
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oiaohmMinceR: if the shell is dead a workign VT is not much use.Jul 07 14:06
MinceRi can log in again and have another shell startJul 07 14:06
oiaohmNot if the shell is truly dead.Jul 07 14:08
MinceRso just because another part of the system can fail, we should make the VT much more fragile?Jul 07 14:09
oiaohmMinceR: think X11 deathJul 07 14:09
MinceRsounds like typical systemd argumentationJul 07 14:09
oiaohmkmscon is before systemd.Jul 07 14:09
oiaohmthere is also fblog what is kernel loging massively simplifed.Jul 07 14:10
MinceR"but these other pieces of software have these design flaws too, so we _must_ implement those design flaws here as well!"Jul 07 14:10
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oiaohmkmscon when you do a SAK will be terminated and cleaned.Jul 07 14:10
oiaohmBasically fblog stays in kernel.Jul 07 14:10
oiaohmand kmscon moves to userspaceJul 07 14:10
oiaohmThe old Linux vt system split in 2Jul 07 14:11
XRevan86http://businessinsider.com/are-these-monkeys-domesticating-wolves-2015-6Jul 07 14:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | Are these monkeys domesticating wolves? - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/n1gvh ]Jul 07 14:11
oiaohmMinceR: exactly how do you think KMScon is more fragile.Jul 07 14:13
MinceRaccording to that article, they want to add all the bells and whistles they can think ofJul 07 14:14
MinceRmore code means more bugsJul 07 14:14
cubexyzoiaohm, you could still get into a system via the serial port even if X messes upJul 07 14:15
cubexyzat least you can reboot Jul 07 14:15
MinceRuntil they insist on rendering your terminal with openglJul 07 14:15
MinceRbecause they forgot that serial consoles don't have openglJul 07 14:15
oiaohmMinceR: serial consoles are not done by the Linuix kernel VT framework.Jul 07 14:16
oiaohmsame to cubexyzJul 07 14:16
oiaohmVirtual Terminal under Linux is only graphical terminals.Jul 07 14:16
cubexyzdidn't it use to run getty via serial port(s)?Jul 07 14:17
MinceRso they'll leave the textmode terminal alone or not?Jul 07 14:17
cubexyzcould be a last-ditch way to get inJul 07 14:17
oiaohmcubexyz: getty via serial port has nothing todo with CONFIG_VTJul 07 14:17
oiaohmcubexyz: or KMSconJul 07 14:18
oiaohmMinceR: what textbased terminal.   CONFIG_VT is framebuffer rendered in most cases.     How often to you use the pure vesa 1 shell only login.Jul 07 14:20
oiaohmMinceR: worse is some devices like android GPU's don't have a vesa mode at all.Jul 07 14:21
oiaohmMinceR:  so render by opengl or have nothing.Jul 07 14:21
oiaohmMinceR: basically CONFIG_VT has seen it day.Jul 07 14:22
oiaohmAs cubexyz has found you really need in you end up dropping to a pure text mode getty on serial port or something equal.Jul 07 14:23
oiaohmwhy because config_vt on current hardware can be a brick.Jul 07 14:24
cubexyzrun a real terminal Jul 07 14:24
cubexyzas a safety measureJul 07 14:24
oiaohmcubexyz: when you say real you mean a real serial terminal.Jul 07 14:24
cubexyzyesJul 07 14:24
oiaohmor parallel port terminal(bois post codes can go there)Jul 07 14:25
oiaohmAs well as control.Jul 07 14:25
oiaohmKMScon will make SAK sane.   Currently KMS and FB both allocate what the video card is currently doing.Jul 07 14:26
cubexyzI've never heard of parallel port terminalJul 07 14:27
cubexyzwe used to have Wyse terminals on XenixJul 07 14:30
oiaohmhttp://tarmo.fi/blog/2003/09/configuring-plip-in-linux/Jul 07 14:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tarmo.fi | Configuring PLIP in Linux - tarmo.fi [ http://ur1.ca/n1h1u ]Jul 07 14:32
oiaohmcubexyz: you can network over parallel port.Jul 07 14:32
cubexyzyes, I remember PLIP :)Jul 07 14:32
oiaohmssh over plipJul 07 14:32
cubexyzthat would work even if the video stuff was botched I would thinkJul 07 14:32
oiaohmThere is also forward serial by PLIPJul 07 14:33
oiaohmwhat is forward serial by networkJul 07 14:33
oiaohmbasically there are enough ways to skin the cat.Jul 07 14:34
oiaohmUSB port, printer port, or serial port can all be used for mayday console.Jul 07 14:34
oiaohmModern motherboards will send post to USB.Jul 07 14:34
oiaohmSo the right kind of device in USB you know if the computer has booted or died.Jul 07 14:35
oiaohmIt would be such a fun extention to a screen.Jul 07 14:35
cubexyzI guess radeonfb is still using a rasterized graphical screenJul 07 14:36
cubexyzor does it just write characters to video memory e.g. MDA?Jul 07 14:36
oiaohmfb under Linux the kernel is doing all the font processing and the like into image then that goes to screen.Jul 07 14:37
cubexyzseems to default to 1024x768Jul 07 14:37
cubexyzright, otherwise you couldn't change the fontsJul 07 14:38
oiaohmTurns out the text mode vesa on most modern day cards does not work properly.Jul 07 14:38
cubexyzit would just be textJul 07 14:38
oiaohmcubexyz: you are meant to be able to upload fonts under vesaJul 07 14:38
oiaohmBut that mostly does not work.Jul 07 14:38
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cubexyzfbset code looks pretty old Jul 07 14:39
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oiaohmConfig_VT was good when video cards worked and were not likely to send back random garbage just because they fell like it.Jul 07 14:40
oiaohmMinceR: I know the idea kill Config_VT starts well before Systemd.    After a huge stack of kernel panics caused by cards gone stupid.Jul 07 14:41
MinceRso it's still useful for people who have working video cardsJul 07 14:41
cubexyzthings do muck up thoughJul 07 14:42
MinceRnow they get to kill two birds with one stoneJul 07 14:42
MinceRremove VT from the kernel, stuff it into systemdJul 07 14:42
oiaohmMinceR: define working.Jul 07 14:42
MinceRand force systemd on everyoneJul 07 14:42
oiaohmNot really KMSCON works with openrcJul 07 14:43
oiaohmMinceR: also what is shocking is openbsd is looking at including it.Jul 07 14:43
MinceRlolJul 07 14:44
oiaohmSome of the changes that people want to blame on systemd have not much todo with it.Jul 07 14:44
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oiaohmMinceR: openbsd has their own fork of logindJul 07 14:44
MinceRare they tired of simple designs?Jul 07 14:44
oiaohmNopJul 07 14:45
oiaohmopenbsd are equally sick of kernel painces due to hardware stupidity.Jul 07 14:45
oiaohmkmscon allows 1 block of console code to be used for graphical and terminal modes.Jul 07 14:46
oiaohmInstead of maintain 8 as currently.Jul 07 14:46
oiaohmMinceR: exactly what is simple about having to maintain vt terminal code for X11, vt terminal code for framebuffer on Linux,  vt terminal code on all the BSDs.Jul 07 14:47
cubexyzit was simpler when it was all EGA, VGA etcJul 07 14:47
cubexyznow I don't really know how it all worksJul 07 14:48
oiaohmcubexyz: yep when you did not have gpu with firmware blobs emulating crap.Jul 07 14:48
oiaohmMinceR: then you have to remember application developers has to deal with all the console implementation bugs.Jul 07 14:50
cubexyzmy Linux console man page is dated 1994 :-/Jul 07 14:50
cubexyzand it's woefully incompleteJul 07 14:50
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MinceRoiaohm: soon, they'll get to deal with implementation bugs put there by code monkeys at redcrap who couldn't care lessJul 07 14:51
oiaohmhttp://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/libtsm/   This is out of KMSCONJul 07 14:54
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oiaohmMinceR: before KMSCON all termal service libraries depended on X11, GTK, QT.....Jul 07 14:57
cubexyzmplayer seems to open fbdev2 sometimesJul 07 14:57
oiaohmPlease note KMScon is not in fact part of systemd eitehr MinceRJul 07 14:58
MinceRyetJul 07 14:58
oiaohmThe developer behind KMSCon is not redhat.Jul 07 14:59
cubexyzit should be in userlandJul 07 15:00
oiaohmThere has been a long list of data leaks between users caused by Config_VT as well.Jul 07 15:02
oiaohmReality console emulation should be userland.Jul 07 15:02
oiaohmBecause when user logs out it should be flushed.Jul 07 15:02
oiaohmgetty for serial is userland and it is flushed when the serial connect terminates.Jul 07 15:03
oiaohmA lot of what is happening with systemd is a result of hey we have these bugs we will not bother fixing it instead lets keep on using broken.Jul 07 15:06
oiaohmSo when 1 init system decides to really attempt to fix the faults a stack of compadiblity issues were going to appear.Jul 07 15:07
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schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/there-is-no-new-microsoft-under-nadella-patent-extortion-against-linuxandroid-carries-on-150706040014.htmlJul 07 17:05
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schestowitz"Microsoft can't compete with products, so all they have left is Patent Extortion. It's that or fail as a company and whilst US (and UK/EU) politicians remain corrupt and open to any bribery that's on offer, thus enabling the abuse of the law to protect the economically inept, that will not change."Jul 07 17:05
schestowitz"Well, this sounds like a big pile of butt hurt in the article. Even if the "Malware" BS were true and didn't get installed (which I have yet to see a single reference other than a conspiracy theory), the Android OS has become so fragmented and vulnerable that it's hard to imagine Microsoft could make it much worse. Granted, they could.. but, it's simply garbage by the time it hits end-users unless it's on a Google flagship device."Jul 07 17:05
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/618594370518929408Jul 08 02:39
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Review: Linux Mint 17.2 Release is RefreshedJul 08 02:50
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/618603967644184576Jul 08 03:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz (guy you lauded seems to be "suspended" on Twitter...first one i've rune into like that)Jul 08 03:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz o O oJul 08 03:18
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     NSA runs its spying activities on Red Hat LinuxJul 08 05:03
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     How To Get Started In Open SourceJul 08 10:30
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 15.10 Daily Images Haven't BeenJul 08 10:46
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Touch Should Get a New Major OTA UpdateJul 08 10:46
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cubexyzdamn those flash adsJul 08 10:49
cubexyzcpu use 100% :-/Jul 08 10:49
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cubexyzoiaohm, another interesting point... if I ctrl-alt-backspace and kill X the radeon frame buffer seems completely uneffectedJul 08 11:27
cubexyzshouldn't killing X also kill the framebuffer?Jul 08 11:27
msb__Kill for the love of killing!  Kill for the love of Kali Linux!Jul 08 11:28
cubexyzalso aewm is using 100% cpu and it just will not dieJul 08 11:29
cubexyzI'm never using aewm againJul 08 11:30
cubexyzeven init 1 doesn't kill the framebuffer, it's indestructibleJul 08 11:30
cubexyzok, init 1 does actually stop aewmJul 08 11:31
cubexyza window manager should _exit_Jul 08 11:31
cubexyzsheeshJul 08 11:31
cubexyzwell, that's what happens when you do experimentsJul 08 11:32
msb__Maybe you should use Kali Linux (and wear a yellow scarf).Jul 08 11:35
msb__and visit Poettering.Jul 08 11:36
cubexyzI'm not part of that cliqueJul 08 11:40
cubexyzon a more positive note mwm and icewm get the official thumbs upJul 08 11:43
cubexyzthey can co-exist without issueJul 08 11:43
cubexyzrunning two window managers at the same time is a bit unusal I admitJul 08 11:46
cubexyzunusualJul 08 11:47
cubexyza program should exit when I tell it toJul 08 11:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 15.10 Daily Images Haven't BeenJul 08 11:50
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cubexyzit shouldn't try to endlessly respawn itself like some eldritch horrorJul 08 11:50
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat Used by NSA Spies, SELinux PossiblyJul 08 11:50
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Debian Will Soon Make GCC 5 Its DefaultJul 08 11:50
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     10 compelling reasons to consider open sourceJul 08 11:50
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oiaohmcubexyz:  X11 uses DRI framework and framebuffer is in fact a independant framework.Jul 08 11:52
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oiaohmcubexyz: KMS support in kernel is about slowly but surely removing framebuffer.Jul 08 11:52
oiaohmcubexyz: to be correct KMSCONJul 08 11:54
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/TheRegister/status/618734572902219776  https://twitter.com/Vecchi_Paolo/status/618734603587747840Jul 08 11:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheRegister: @schestowitz @Vecchi_Paolo We're an ad-supported business. We don't hide that - the ads are there for all to see, in fact. ^GCJul 08 11:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Vecchi_Paolo: @KatHall42 Putting together data & references, statements from involved parties, publish it in Italian then I will @schestowitz @TheRegisterJul 08 11:55
oiaohmcubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_framebufferJul 08 11:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Linux framebuffer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/n2hhg ]Jul 08 11:55
cubexyzoiaohm, linux doesn't seem to default to using a framebuffer on startupJul 08 11:55
schestowitzI know, but it places pressure on editors and writers. I saw that myself when I wrote for a living. Removed that with my own sites.Jul 08 11:55
cubexyzbut what exactly it does I'm not sureJul 08 11:56
cubexyzI assume it's really text mode Jul 08 11:56
oiaohmcubexyz: depends on what age kernel.Jul 08 11:56
cubexyzthis is 2.6.27.29Jul 08 11:56
oiaohmNo there is no text mode cubexyzJul 08 11:56
schestowitz If you write about tech and advertise cars or holidays, that may be OK. No conflict/fear.Jul 08 11:56
oiaohmA text mode is graphic rendered either to fb or kmsJul 08 11:57
cubexyzfbset says /dev/fb0 doesn't existJul 08 11:57
cubexyzit doesn't exist until I modprobe radeonfbJul 08 11:57
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Vecchi_Paolo/status/618735617409712128Jul 08 11:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Vecchi_Paolo: @schestowitz But IMHO @TheRegister demonstrated, up to now, to be quite well balanced. Otherwise I would be the first flaming against them.Jul 08 11:58
schestowitzbalance is a subjective thing, based on a consensus sometimes manufactured by hidden forces (or incentives)Jul 08 11:58
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/KatHall42/status/618735676612345856Jul 08 11:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@KatHall42: @Vecchi_Paolo @schestowitz @TheRegister Cool. Give us a shout if you think it would be relevant to a UK audience when you're ready. :-)Jul 08 11:58
cubexyzoiaohm, there must be a text mode...Jul 08 11:59
cubexyzwhat about when you don't run X at all?Jul 08 11:59
schestowitzWe say that to overlook state terrorism is suitable balance, or to treat proprietary 'addiction'/lock-in as socially acceptable.Jul 08 11:59
oiaohmJust because a framebuffer devices is not exported does not mean the kernel is not using one internally cubexyzJul 08 11:59
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/KatHall42/status/618735676612345856Jul 08 12:00
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Vecchi_Paolo/status/618736066372194304Jul 08 12:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Vecchi_Paolo: @KatHall42 You surely are relevant as these methods are used also in UK to push their products. @schestowitz @TheRegisterJul 08 12:00
schestowitz https://twitter.com/KatHall42/status/618735676612345856Jul 08 12:00
oiaohmcubexyz: if you screen is 80x25 or 80x50 then you are using a video card textmode.Jul 08 12:00
oiaohm cubexyz normally that will not be a linux console.Jul 08 12:00
oiaohmcubexyz: also you will see vesa fonts not Linux ones.Jul 08 12:01
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Vecchi_Paolo/status/618736538671824896Jul 08 12:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Vecchi_Paolo: @schestowitz Do you think I get influenced that much by propaganda? https://t.co/nvzTgOqHNz @TheRegisterJul 08 12:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.linkedin.com | Who is the most influential person in your life? Edward. | Paolo Vecchi | LinkedInJul 08 12:02
schestowitzSome people are more immune to perceptual manipulation than others. We need to protest the "others" from manipulators.Jul 08 12:03
cubexyzok, I can "setfont drdos8x14"Jul 08 12:03
cubexyzbeen a while since I used thatJul 08 12:03
schestowitz That's why there is a strong public movement, for example, against #fox and #newscorpJul 08 12:03
cubexyzI think just "setfont" on it's own reverts to the default fontJul 08 12:03
schestowitz*protectJul 08 12:04
schestowitzcubexyz: got a new machine hereJul 08 12:05
schestowitzfor just 150 quidJul 08 12:05
schestowitzsubsidised AFAIKJul 08 12:05
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Vecchi_Paolo/status/618737386269356032Jul 08 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Vecchi_Paolo: @schestowitz Please don't see things in B&W. Embrace the vastity of grey scale views. Je ne suis pas Richard Stallman @TheRegisterJul 08 12:05
cubexyzoiaohm, this goes back to my original question of how to reset the text consoleJul 08 12:05
schestowitzWhat happens when some views are suppressed or demonised because of conditioning?Jul 08 12:06
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/618737804059787264Jul 08 12:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@readergordonbp: @Vecchi_Paolo @schestowitz have either of you ever read The Filter Bubble by Eli Parisser? Very interesting! https://t.co/zoBhIV1ouhJul 08 12:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.goodreads.com | The Filter Bubble: What the Internet is Hiding From You by Eli Pariser — Reviews, Discussion, Bookclubs, ListsJul 08 12:06
oiaohmcubexyz: reset config_vt mode right.   By undocumented ways like loading a framebuffer driver or restarting the computer.Jul 08 12:06
schestowitzMany views are never being aired because they are viewed, by design, as obscene or subversiveJul 08 12:07
schestowitzRMS once told me, we're taught that some things are "laughable" even when they're notJul 08 12:07
oiaohmcubexyz: sysrq magic key can do it as well.Jul 08 12:08
cubexyzI think that goes back to conceptual learning verus rote memorizationJul 08 12:08
cubexyzmostly people are memorizing facts without any philosophical or organization methodJul 08 12:08
oiaohmcubexyz: basically config_vt is a messJul 08 12:09
cubexyzmother says "use microsoft"Jul 08 12:09
cubexyzit's like when a parent says "What I say goes" without any explanationJul 08 12:09
cubexyzthat's our society Jul 08 12:09
cubexyzoiaohm, I can't really disagreeJul 08 12:10
oiaohmcubexyz: then think sysvinit depends on config_vt working.Jul 08 12:10
cubexyzI wish I could just write to a memory address like we did on the commodore 64Jul 08 12:11
cubexyzthen fixing text console would be simpleJul 08 12:11
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Vecchi_Paolo/status/618738798189498368Jul 08 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Vecchi_Paolo: @schestowitz It happens every day. I think @TheRegister can be seen as a @PrivateEyeNews for techies & is not pretending to save the world.Jul 08 12:11
schestowitzWho ever said it needed to save the world? The point is, diversity of views, unadulterated.Jul 08 12:12
cubexyzor failing that, at least have a REAL serial consoleJul 08 12:12
oiaohmkmscon where the console system can be reset Jul 08 12:12
oiaohmIs a good step forwards.Jul 08 12:12
cubexyzmy solution to computer botch-ups of this nature is to have multiple machines runningJul 08 12:12
cubexyzso even if the text console or ssh stops working I have two or three backup machinesJul 08 12:13
oiaohmA general computer is over 20 diffenter computers working with each other.Jul 08 12:13
oiaohmThis is why they can screw up so badly.Jul 08 12:13
oiaohmLike a intel/amd cpu cannot in fact start itself.  It depends on another cpu to give it the microcode.Jul 08 12:14
cubexyzwhat other cpu?Jul 08 12:14
cubexyzthe BIOS kickstarts the cpuJul 08 12:15
cubexyzalso I do run m68000 sometimes :)Jul 08 12:16
cubexyzin my computer museum/work areaJul 08 12:16
oiaohmFor new intel and amd cpus that is not how it works.Jul 08 12:16
oiaohmhttps://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/ec-developmentJul 08 12:16
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Vecchi_Paolo/status/618739981360758785Jul 08 12:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Vecchi_Paolo: @schestowitz Which is what I think they are doing. There are advertorials every so often but are spotted quite easily @TheRegisterJul 08 12:17
oiaohmchromebooks have open source versions of the hidden processor that infact starts the computer cubexyzJul 08 12:17
schestowitzThey improved recently and I hope it continues that way :-)Jul 08 12:17
oiaohmcubexyz: its all the cpu that wake computer up from being suspended.......Jul 08 12:17
cubexyza microcontroller...Jul 08 12:19
cubexyzI wouldn't say another cpuJul 08 12:19
cubexyzjust like there's a microcontroller in a computer keyboardJul 08 12:20
oiaohmintel management engine controller is what intel calls that.Jul 08 12:21
oiaohmcubexyz: a microcontroller is still a cpu.Jul 08 12:22
oiaohmIf you remember a 8088/8086-486 the bios was directly connected to the cpu and the cpu could start up without assistance of a Microcontroller.Jul 08 12:23
oiaohmcubexyz: pents and latter is where the microcode inload into cpu before bios can process start.Jul 08 12:24
cubexyzok, sorry... I'll say "General Purpose CPU" insteadJul 08 12:25
cubexyztechnically you're right, a microcontroller is a cpuJul 08 12:25
cubexyzsecondary processing unit might be more apt thoughJul 08 12:26
oiaohmST-Micro STM32F100 is only 24 mhz but it is a full ARM Cortex M3  that some chromebooks use for the ECJul 08 12:30
oiaohmcubexyz: what is stupid is how we have got to the point a CPU chip cannot start itself.Jul 08 12:31
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oiaohmResults in having to make sure motherboard and cpu match in firmware as well as the socket.Jul 08 12:31
oiaohmcubexyz: as the complexity of secondary processing goes up the odds that some bug in seconardary processing will ruin your secuirty happens.Jul 08 12:33
oiaohmcubexyz: the old firewire hack to examin memory was not OS but controller of firewire being bugger with direct access to the memory controller. Jul 08 12:34
cubexyzI don't think the original pentium had reprogrammable microcodeJul 08 12:41
cubexyzPentium Pro and later it wasJul 08 12:42
cubexyznot that I realized it back thenJul 08 12:42
cubexyzotherwise Intel could have fixed that FDIV bug with a microcode updateJul 08 12:43
cubexyzit does make sense though.... there could be bugsJul 08 12:43
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cubexyzcoreboot loads the intel microcode in what they called "ramstage"Jul 08 12:44
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cubexyzthe original IBM PC had the Intel 8259 which was a programmable interrupt controllerJul 08 12:46
oiaohmcubexyz: http://www.zdnet.com/article/intel-releases-fix-for-f00f-bug/Jul 08 12:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | Intel releases fix for F00F bug | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/n2hxg ]Jul 08 12:46
oiaohmcubexyz: some of the petium 1 bugs could be microcode patched.Jul 08 12:46
oiaohmcubexyz: div bug was in the floating point controller.Jul 08 12:46
oiaohmPetuim1 had a master microcode inside.Jul 08 12:47
oiaohmSo no matter what it could start.Jul 08 12:47
cubexyzok Pentium MMX doesn't count :)Jul 08 12:47
cubexyzhardly the original PentiumJul 08 12:47
oiaohmcubexyz: read again  Pentium and Pentium MMXJul 08 12:47
oiaohmThat patch was for both.Jul 08 12:48
oiaohmSo there were a few issues patched in Pentium 1Jul 08 12:48
oiaohmI cannot remember exactly what intel chip become the first that would not start without microcodeJul 08 12:49
cubexyzIntel definitely had to swap out the early pentium cpus Jul 08 12:50
cubexyzthere was probably a ton of different versionsJul 08 12:50
cubexyzthere was P5, socket 4 and socket 5Jul 08 12:50
oiaohmOne of the bad reasons for it is overseas production and controlling when the release of the microcode to prevent chip being released to market ahead of intels timeline.Jul 08 12:50
cubexyzthen socket 7 (skipping socket 6 I guess)Jul 08 12:50
oiaohmcubexyz: anything in the floating point buggy in pentuim1 could not be addressed by microcode.  The interger processing side was microcode.Jul 08 12:51
oiaohmThe microcode starts with the risc like designed core inside intel x86 chipsJul 08 12:52
cubexyzIBM S/370 had IMLJul 08 12:56
cubexyzold CPUs that I know about had PLAJul 08 13:00
cubexyzyup, CPUs have bugsJul 08 13:02
oiaohmcubexyz: CPU bugs mxied with Motherboard chipset bugs you have a nightmare mixJul 08 13:02
cubexyzyou can see here that my old P3 system used coreboot to update the microcode:Jul 08 13:03
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/coreboot-serial-output.txtJul 08 13:03
cubexyzI don't think it actually changed anything thoughJul 08 13:03
cubexyzintel is very secretive about that stuffJul 08 13:05
cubexyzthey probably figure... don't make it too good, then no one will stay on the upgrade treadmillJul 08 13:07
cubexyzno one wants to upgrade their dishwasher every couple of years, but somehow with computers it's de rigueur :)Jul 08 13:08
oiaohmcubexyz: you have to remember just becuase you can fix bugs by a microcode push there is absolutely no reason why you could not introduce them the same way.Jul 08 13:09
cubexyzI'm sure the blackhats have something up their sleevesJul 08 13:11
cubexyzin theory the bad guys could knock out your bios but I've never actually seen that in the wildJul 08 13:12
cubexyzeven if they did I have socketed bios and backup imagesJul 08 13:13
cubexyzthe microcode updates aren't persistant either from what I understandJul 08 13:13
cubexyzI think video cards have microcode updates tooJul 08 13:15
oiaohmOS applied microcode updates are not persistantJul 08 13:15
oiaohmthe microcode updates writting in as part of bios/efi firmware updates are kind of persistant.Jul 08 13:16
oiaohmI have seen a few different bios attacks.Jul 08 13:16
oiaohmOne they guy who did it is still in jail.  It was just wrong minorally extend the bios to include a code to cause the computer to fail every 180 days.Jul 08 13:17
oiaohmcubexyz: what you call evil way to get repeat customers.Jul 08 13:17
oiaohmAlso completely stupidJul 08 13:17
oiaohmcubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIH_%28computer_virus%29 This is a bios nuking infection.Jul 08 13:18
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oiaohmcubexyz: http://www.webroot.com/blog/2011/09/13/mebromi-the-first-bios-rootkit-in-the-wild/ And this was found in 2011Jul 08 13:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.webroot.com | Mebromi: the first BIOS rootkit in the wild - Webroot Threat Blog [ http://ur1.ca/n2ia6 ]Jul 08 13:19
oiaohmso virus writers are kind getting nasty.Jul 08 13:20
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/knowhowtohelp/status/618762479796121600Jul 08 13:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@knowhowtohelp: @schestowitz Happy to hear this, many thanks for the feedback! - AmyJul 08 13:45
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/kstallett/status/618763537687703553Jul 08 13:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz Do you know the perpetrators of the attacks?Jul 08 13:51
schestowitzNo, but even if I knew, i'd need hard evidence to press chargesJul 08 13:51
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r_schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6309874Jul 08 14:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "If report is correct, Red Hat's marketing department has a very tricky customer reference" http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/08/evil_nsa_runs_on_saintly_red_hat_enterprise_linux_apache/ #nsa #redhatJul 08 14:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theregister.co.uk | Evil NSA runs on saintly Linux, Apache, MySQL • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/n2iwg ]Jul 08 14:49
r_schestowitz"Love the sin, hate the sinner? Or something like that? ;-)"Jul 08 14:49
r_schestowitzIn this case, we hate the sin, but love the sinner?Jul 08 14:49
r_schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6299541Jul 08 14:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Pirate Bay founders: FBI has #Prenda Law under investigation http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/07/pirate-bay-founders-fbi-has-prenda-law-under-investigation/ as if #fbi upholds the law http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Report-DDoS-service-as-a-legitimate-FBI-approved-business-1867566.htmlJul 08 14:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> arstechnica.com | Pirate Bay founders: FBI has Prenda Law under investigation | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/n0391 ]Jul 08 14:50
r_schestowitz"They might punish Prenda to create a perception of enforcement, and justice in copyright law. All of the big publishers have done the same to promote their works and track users with watermarks. That makes our modern, radical copyright laws essentially a tool for public manipulation. Only privileged people are allowed to share and use all of the cultural resonance of broadcast and big publisher promoted music, music, and images. That is aJul 08 14:50
r_schestowitzvery powerful body of work, able to instantly form new memories in people who see them. “Potential troublemakers” who might threaten the revenue of favored companies can be ruined if they are foolish enough to share big publisher garbage."Jul 08 14:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.h-online.com | Report: DDoS service as a legitimate, FBI-approved business - The H Security: News and Features [ http://ur1.ca/e02nb ]Jul 08 14:50
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r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Nintendo_VX/status/618796962452672512Jul 08 16:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Nintendo_VX: .@stonemirror @SteamPunkDevil_ @TechyFolks @bobbyo1967 @Gayle36 Did you ever apologize to Kathy Sutphen? http://t.co/Y0goRuU6jbJul 08 16:02
r_schestowitzLeftyJul 08 16:02
r_schestowitzLOLJul 08 16:02
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r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jurasick/status/618800834185400320Jul 08 16:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz I know. Same problem here!Jul 08 16:18
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r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/618805492115091456Jul 08 16:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz (quality control?)Jul 08 16:36
r_schestowitzMore like pest controlJul 08 16:36
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Godzilla_Govt/status/618805863248035840Jul 08 16:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Godzilla_Govt: Hey, hey.. that's life in the digital ghettos. Get VPN bruh. https://t.co/XnabnN6UpsJul 08 16:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: It doesn't inspire confidence when you're told to report #ddos attacks to #fbi which itself is linked to shady DDOS services 'firms'Jul 08 16:37
r_schestowitzgot it alreadyJul 08 16:37
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Godzilla_Govt/status/618806344615723008Jul 08 16:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Godzilla_Govt: @schestowitz OK. You were just commenting toward the report path for problems w/ DDOS. I see.Jul 08 16:42
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/618817645966688256Jul 08 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: be careful. #owncloud still lacks integrated password throttling, a major hack to be expected sooner or later https://t.co/uCYfqNUO87Jul 08 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Users of ownCloud Documents will be happy to hear that we have updated to the latest upstream version of WebODF" https://t.co/ZILwzhpTSnJul 08 17:26
schestowitzDepending on the users' choice of passwordJul 08 17:26
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/618818757998288896Jul 08 17:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: Yes. But we are talking of the dump user, w/ simple passwords. Unlike Wikipedia, owncloud still lacks pw-throttling https://t.co/Y6TATEzltgJul 08 17:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @Wikinaut Depending on the users' choice of passwordJul 08 17:31
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/618819565263429633Jul 08 17:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: @schestowitz OC team always responds that OC admins have to use fail2ban etc. An insane assumption. OC should ship w/ built-in pw-throttlingJul 08 17:31
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/618818956963520512Jul 08 17:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: New York Stock Exchange suspends trading after technical glitch @ruskin147 @schestowitz http://t.co/WfMkwJdelRJul 08 17:32
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DaemonFChttp://gizmodo.com/microsoft-doesnt-want-to-make-smartphones-anymore-1716524766Jul 08 19:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gizmodo.com | Microsoft Doesn't Want to Make Smartphones Anymore [ http://ur1.ca/n2lp5 ]Jul 08 19:57
DaemonFCI'd imagine that they'll go ahead and release the two "flagship" phones at the end of the year. Then anyone who buys one will sort of be in "support limbo" for a couple of years like Zune and Kin were.Jul 08 19:58
DaemonFCMicrosoft has developed a nasty reputation for abandoning their own devices and users. That could explain why some carriers will actually pay you to take a Windows Phone and they still can't sell them.Jul 08 19:59
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Microsoft cutting up to 7,800 jobsJul 08 20:00
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Home Automation with Raspberry PiJul 08 20:00
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Ubuntu http://t.co/K0Iim1ukrlJul 08 20:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This is the tiny computer the BBC is giving to a million kids | Tux MachinesJul 08 20:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Running ZFS On The Linux 4.1 KernelJul 08 20:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Running ZFS On The Linux 4.1 Kernel | Tux MachinesJul 08 20:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Qt Creator 3.5 Beta 1 Drops BlackBerry,Jul 08 20:56
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Don't touch this! Seven types of open source toJul 08 21:50
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Phoronix on Graphics http://t.co/k9xKJHDOh0Jul 08 21:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Phoronix on Graphics | Tux MachinesJul 08 21:50
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Alpine Linux 3.2.1 releasedJul 08 21:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Alpine Linux 3.2.1 released | Tux MachinesJul 08 21:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Multimedia conferencing system runs AndroidJul 08 21:50
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Alpine Linux 3.2.1 releasedJul 09 01:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.alpinelinux.org | Alpine 3.2.1 released | Alpine LinuxJul 09 01:26
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DaemonFChttp://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150708134520Jul 09 01:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-undeadly.org | Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor [ http://ur1.ca/n2or1 ]Jul 09 01:35
DaemonFCMicrosoft just gave the OpenBSD foundation somewhere between $25,000 and $50,000.Jul 09 01:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Multimedia conferencing system runs Android ·  LinuxGizmos.comJul 09 01:38
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Home Automation with Raspberry PiJul 09 01:39
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oiaohmSomething I have never unstood is why Internet compadible IP address have to be used inside private networks.    You go through a gateway router and be NATed anyhowJul 09 03:34
oiaohmFrom my eyes we should be able to use a complete ipv4 address space in our own internal network.Jul 09 03:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Running ZFS On The Linux 4.1 Kernel - PhoronixJul 09 04:16
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MinceRoiaohm: that won't work if you're trying to talk to another computer on the same LANJul 09 08:01
oiaohmMinceR: remember that a netmask of 0.0.0.0 is valid by specJul 09 08:02
oiaohmMinceR: I have built using proxy internet access using full ipv4 internal before.Jul 09 08:03
oiaohmMinceR: basically Ubuntu fan ip tunning mixed with local ipv4 the need to change to ipv6 could be fairly much put off for another 1000+ years.Jul 09 08:14
oiaohmMinceR: why each internet ipv4 address could host another ipv4 space of servers.Jul 09 08:15
MinceRif you're using 0.0.0.0, you might as well use a private addressJul 09 08:23
MinceRand if you're talking to a server, you'll still need a unique addressJul 09 08:24
oiaohmMinceR: ps://wiki.ubuntu.com/FanNetworkingJul 09 08:36
oiaohmOppsJul 09 08:36
oiaohmhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/FanNetworkingJul 09 08:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.ubuntu.com | FanNetworking - Ubuntu WikiJul 09 08:37
oiaohmMinceR: fan networking is overlaying.Jul 09 08:37
oiaohmThe theory of a unique IP address comes very different when you allow for ip tunneling.Jul 09 08:37
oiaohmSo a unique private address in a IPv4 different to the internet using ip tunneling should be accessable by using 1 exposed  internet addressJul 09 08:39
oiaohmOr could be in fact using multi internet access address points.Jul 09 08:39
oiaohmMinceR: only thing a server need really is that a unique route can be formed and the client will support it.Jul 09 08:40
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Training Scholarship Deadline this FridayJul 09 08:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com | Linux Training Scholarship Deadline this Friday | Linux.comJul 09 08:57
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Nouveau CUDA support is coming Jul 09 08:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | NVIDIA Has Someone Working On Nouveau CUDA Support - PhoronixJul 09 08:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | For New Developers There Are A Lot Of Ways To Help Nouveau - PhoronixJul 09 08:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | CUDA 7.5 Up To RC Status With New 16-bit FP Data Format - PhoronixJul 09 08:57
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The linu xfoundation enters further intoJul 09 08:57
TweetTuxMachines                 training and certification businessJul 09 08:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digitaljournal.com | Linux Foundation's Individual Membership Drive to Help IT Professionals Advance Careers - Press Release - Digital JournalJul 09 08:57
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/andymckay/status/618956473733746690Jul 09 08:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@andymckay: Got a lot of respect for Nadella, looks like Microsoft is becoming interesting again.Jul 09 08:59
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/kisielk/status/619012871167410176Jul 09 08:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kisielk: @andymckay You mean like this? http://t.co/luoUmCCmAjJul 09 08:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | There is No ‘New Microsoft’: Under Nadella, Patent Extortion Against Linux/Android Carries on | TechrightsJul 09 08:59
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/619052624797663232Jul 09 09:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz Open Source? With MS?Jul 09 09:01
schestowitzMS involved?Jul 09 09:03
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/PyefinchComms/status/618957288238358528Jul 09 09:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PyefinchComms: @schestowitz thanks for sharing Dr. Roy Schestowitz, have a great Thursday :) (insight by http://t.co/Vv2iMRFgYE)Jul 09 09:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> commun.it | Twitter Community Management Dashboard | Twitter Marketing Tool | Commun.itJul 09 09:04
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/fcassia/status/618952126404947968Jul 09 09:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: @Cisco is it safer if we use Cisco kit with built-in backdoors? cc/@schestowitzJul 09 09:04
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/AntsiHossie/status/618947016224325633Jul 09 09:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AntsiHossie: Yes to #TubeStrike. The Media are so quick to portray things for what they are not @schestowitz .. Thank you https://t.co/rNDIw3B5k3Jul 09 09:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #TubeStrike Justified http://t.co/ucrTL5ZUxD good response, ignore the real ransom: using #wimbledon and tourists to incite against themJul 09 09:06
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schestowitzGuest2866: heyJul 09 09:06
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MinceRoiaohm: your NAT box will still need a public addressJul 09 09:08
oiaohmMinceR: depends on how many levels of tunneling you allow.Jul 09 09:09
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/619055203594182657 Jul 09 09:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz Yep. Scroll right down to the section Sales Plan: http://t.co/sv6in0zrqwJul 09 09:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bbc.co.uk | BBC Micro Bit computer's final design revealed - BBC NewsJul 09 09:11
schestowitzewww... no lessons learned from OLPC thenJul 09 09:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Peter Hutterer released version 0.19 ofJul 09 09:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Libinput 0.19 Brings Improved Pointer Acceleration - PhoronixJul 09 09:13
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     amd freewsw graphics driver not in bad shapeJul 09 09:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | A Look At CS:GO & TF2 On AMD GPUs With The Open-Source Driver - PhoronixJul 09 09:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | AMD Radeon 300 Series On Linux - Catalyst: 0 vs. Open-Source: 1 - PhoronixJul 09 09:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | What Do You Hope To See Out Of Today's Expected Catalyst Linux Update? - PhoronixJul 09 09:31
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 15.10 To Follow Debian In Its March ToJul 09 09:31
TweetTuxMachines                 GCC 5 http://t.co/38HC3BmMsW (www.phoronix.com)Jul 09 09:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Ubuntu 15.10 To Follow Debian In Its March To GCC 5 - PhoronixJul 09 09:31
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Lots of Linux Kernel Vulnerabilities Closed inJul 09 09:31
TweetTuxMachines                 Ubuntu 15.04Jul 09 09:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Lots of Linux Kernel Vulnerabilities Closed in Ubuntu 15.04 - SoftpediaJul 09 09:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Canonical Closes Numerous PHP Vulnerabilities in Ubuntu 15.04 - SoftpediaJul 09 09:31
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*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012Jul 09 10:38
schestowitzMinceR: anything in channels other than this one over the past hour (had two REIN engineers over for about an hour, couldn't find the source of REIN)?Jul 09 10:39
MinceRnothing except the botsJul 09 10:41
MinceRand even that only in #boycottnovell-social Jul 09 10:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Qt Creator 3.5 Beta 1 Drops BlackBerry,Jul 09 11:11
TweetTuxMachines                 Improves For Android http://t.co/0vazObcHsjJul 09 11:11
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.phoronix.com) qt seeing signs on the wall.Jul 09 11:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Qt Creator 3.5 Beta 1 Drops BlackBerry, Improves For Android - PhoronixJul 09 11:11
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     A Big Set Of Updates Come For KDBUSJul 09 11:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | A Big Set Of Updates Come For KDBUS - PhoronixJul 09 11:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     6 affordable Android phones you'll actuallyJul 09 11:11
TweetTuxMachines                 enjoy using http://t.co/R7UCVDfrs8Jul 09 11:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 6 affordable Android phones you'll actually enjoy using | Tux MachinesJul 09 11:11
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schestowitzMinceR: thanks a lotJul 09 11:13
schestowitzMinceR: the BT precision test guy was so geekyJul 09 11:13
schestowitzinto all that spooks and sci-fi stuffJul 09 11:14
MinceRnpJul 09 11:14
schestowitzbut couldn't find what messes up the connectionJul 09 11:14
schestowitzsince marchJul 09 11:14
schestowitzvery depressingJul 09 11:14
cubexyzI had the idea of multiple ISPs Jul 09 11:22
cubexyzexpensive but more reliableJul 09 11:22
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/tiikeridesign/status/619095741617848320mJul 09 11:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tiikeridesign: @schestowitz wow, the Sherlock #HackingTeam Holmes!Jul 09 11:50
schestowitzcubexyz: a friend of mine from BT does itJul 09 11:51
schestowitzcubexyz: because he lives in the countrysideJul 09 11:51
schestowitzbut in this case one ISP would not to not use the cablesJul 09 11:51
schestowitzwhich are the culprit in this case, too much electric noise on themJul 09 11:51
schestowitzif the second ISP is wireless (long range) it would not be worth the cancer riskJul 09 11:51
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     You May Want To Wait On Trying Out The LinuxJul 09 12:01
TweetTuxMachines                 4.2 Kernel http://t.co/Dj91GyhBDHJul 09 12:01
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.phoronix.com) FUSE work in progress:Jul 09 12:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | You May Want To Wait On Trying Out The Linux 4.2 Kernel - PhoronixJul 09 12:01
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/2S6pmu3wz3 (www.phoronix.com)Jul 09 12:01
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | FUSE Starts Working On Scalability Improvements With Linux 4.2 - PhoronixJul 09 12:01
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     phoronix looks at the latest of mesaJul 09 12:01
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/GY33JiDTJk (www.phoronix.com)Jul 09 12:01
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Understanding More Of The Shader Storage Buffer In Mesa - PhoronixJul 09 12:01
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/tETGhBrwjG (www.phoronix.com)Jul 09 12:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Mesa Is Working Towards Headless Compute/OpenCL Support - PhoronixJul 09 12:01
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Mesa 10.5.9 Is The Last Of The Series - PhoronixJul 09 12:01
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/619098310301904896Jul 09 12:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: @schestowitz pls not so cryptic. pls plain textJul 09 12:02
schestowitzI don't understandJul 09 12:02
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/619099279727161344Jul 09 12:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: @schestowitz trust UK? Trust BBC?Jul 09 12:04
schestowitzWith cautionJul 09 12:04
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/619099660892958720Jul 09 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: @schestowitz pls. elaborate your comparison betw. epo and tubestrike press coverageJul 09 12:05
schestowitzMedia characterising workers as well paid, hence greedy, disruptive, management stressed and panicked, extorted by staffJul 09 12:06
oiaohmcubexyz: if you live in Australia you know the right to have your internet connection by multi ISP's still can sux.Jul 09 12:21
cubexyzoiaohm, how come?Jul 09 12:22
oiaohmcubexyz: why Australian carriers and ISP are different vendors so bad cable in the ground is the carriers problem.Jul 09 12:22
oiaohmcubexyz: everyone in Australia has at least 20 different ISP they can choose from.Jul 09 12:23
oiaohm cubexyz but number of carriers for cable connection can be exactly 1.Jul 09 12:23
cubexyzI assume there's DSL, Cable, SatelliteJul 09 12:24
cubexyzbut I was thinking just two ISPs :)Jul 09 12:24
oiaohmTelstraJul 09 12:25
oiaohmHappens to be cable and 2 of the core satelites above australia.Jul 09 12:25
oiaohmTo be correct DSL cable and satelite.Jul 09 12:25
cubexyzload sharing would be nice tooJul 09 12:27
cubexyzexploit the extra bandwidthJul 09 12:28
oiaohmcubexyz: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/satellites-undersea-cables-go-to-telstra/story-e6frg8zx-1226014383346Jul 09 12:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theaustralian.com.au | Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian [ http://ur1.ca/h4kpl ]Jul 09 12:28
oiaohmcubexyz: Telstra in the Australian area has been very bussyJul 09 12:28
cubexyzwell at least it's not MSNJul 09 12:29
oiaohmAquirng anything in the area it been able.Jul 09 12:29
oiaohmcubexyz: biggest shareholder in Telstra is still the Australian governement.Jul 09 12:29
oiaohmcubexyz: I think MSN could in fact be better.Jul 09 12:30
schestowitzhttp://ostatic.com/blog/survey-amazon-is-tops-in-the-public-cloud-but-look-out-for-azureJul 09 12:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com | Survey: Amazon is Tops in the Public Cloud, But Look Out for Azure [ http://ur1.ca/n2td6 ]Jul 09 12:35
schestowitzSeems like BS to meJul 09 12:35
schestowitzwho's this Cowen thing?Jul 09 12:35
schestowitzMaybe Microsoft paidJul 09 12:35
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schestowitzoiaohm: I wrote about Aussie ISPs and MicrosoftJul 09 12:35
schestowitzTelstra has MS execs in itJul 09 12:35
schestowitzBigpond has other issues, less serious...Jul 09 12:36
schestowitzSome IRC trolls came here from Bigpond...Jul 09 12:36
cubexyzoiaohm, I'm looking at Dual WAN routersJul 09 12:36
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Vecchi_Paolo/status/619108389029826560Jul 09 12:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Vecchi_Paolo: @schestowitz $250.000 is quite a lot for 6 appliances. Looking at the features it seems like we can do it for about a tenth of that ;-)Jul 09 12:39
schestowitzI don't like this companyJul 09 12:39
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Vecchi_Paolo/status/619109117748244480Jul 09 12:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Vecchi_Paolo: @schestowitz Why? They try to simplify the deployment of #OpenStack infrastructures but at those prices I can get a team of specialistsJul 09 12:46
schestowitzI can't recall what it is they did which I didn't likeJul 09 12:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat ‘plays well with others’Jul 09 12:55
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     America's Army Considering SteamOS / LinuxJul 09 13:29
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Catalyst 15.7 Bring Multi-Device Support ForJul 09 13:30
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6310647Jul 09 13:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "United Airlines had grounded all of its flights after an unspecified computer issue." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33450848 phobia, or bad IT (proprietary)Jul 09 13:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bbc.co.uk | NYSE: How Twitter reacted to New York Stock Exchange 'glitch' - BBC News [ http://ur1.ca/n2u1a ]Jul 09 13:37
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jurasick/status/619122842584621057Jul 09 13:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz very true.Jul 09 13:38
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     FSF endorses embedded GNU/Linux distroJul 09 13:47
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msb__schestowitz:  "<schestowitz> if the second ISP is wireless (long range) it would not be worth the cancer risk"Jul 09 13:49
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msb__schestowitz: What if you used a parabolic dish antenna on the roof pointed at the distant source?  Fed via a coaxial cable from your router, and with proper design there should be little radiation coming down locally.(minimal "sidelobes").  You could incorporate an amplifier for greater range.Jul 09 13:52
oiaohmmsb__: there have been issues in Australia with dish design.Jul 09 13:55
oiaohmmsb__: you know something wrong when it kills a tree.Jul 09 13:56
msb__oiaohm: Well, if it's pointed at a tree...Jul 09 13:56
oiaohmmsb__: no the side lobes killed a treeJul 09 13:56
msb__oiaohm: To begin with, the dish has to be about 10 wavelengths wide to get good focussingJul 09 13:57
msb__Well , then it wasn't designed right.  This stuff is not mystical.Jul 09 13:57
oiaohmIssue was some dishs has a horible resensence freq.Jul 09 13:57
msb__The sidelobes can be measured with a receiver and meter.Jul 09 13:57
oiaohmNice Microwave side beem.Jul 09 13:58
oiaohmTree killing and human killing.Jul 09 13:58
oiaohmmsb__: I would not say no cancer risk.Jul 09 13:58
oiaohmmsb__: I would say you do need what ever is deployed well and truly audited.Jul 09 13:58
msb___Measure_ the sidelobe radiation.Jul 09 13:59
oiaohmmsb__: the issue was the use of offcenter dishes for uplinks.Jul 09 13:59
oiaohmmsb__: at least here.Jul 09 13:59
msb__The feeder horn has to be at the focus of the parabola.Jul 09 13:59
oiaohmOffcenter dishs are not perfect parabola that is where problems start.Jul 09 14:00
msb__This is 70 year old technology.Jul 09 14:00
oiaohmEven with 70 year old technology you can screw it up badly.Jul 09 14:00
msb__No doubt covered in an ARRL handbook.Jul 09 14:00
oiaohmNot exactly ARRL covers theorictally perfect.Jul 09 14:01
msb__Yes, of course.  You have to do it right, and measure.  The documentation is easy to find.Jul 09 14:01
oiaohmAdd in a little material impurity and other things.Jul 09 14:02
oiaohmBasically a uplink dish is only safe after you have the meter reading confirming it.Jul 09 14:02
msb__Correct.Jul 09 14:02
oiaohmCorrectly deployed and inspected uplink dish should be perfectly safe.Jul 09 14:03
oiaohmBut of course carriers want to do cheaper than that.Jul 09 14:03
msb__This would be home-made, designed and measured.Jul 09 14:03
msb__Get a microwave radio expert to help.Jul 09 14:04
cubexyzhear about Microsoft donating a chunk of money to OpenBSD?Jul 09 14:04
cubexyzwonder what's up with thatJul 09 14:05
msb__Maybe they've found a way to poison money.Jul 09 14:05
oiaohmmsb__: not that.Jul 09 14:05
oiaohmcubexyz: the reality is microsoft has only given the money to OpenBSD for work on OpenSSHJul 09 14:06
oiaohmcubexyz: remember Microsoft has the azure cloud services.   How are they going to manage all there Linux systems without nice and secure OpenSSHJul 09 14:06
cubexyzah, it was only $50KJul 09 14:07
oiaohmReally the fact that Microsoft is the largest sponser is down right insulting.Jul 09 14:07
cubexyzit isJul 09 14:07
oiaohmcubexyz: Microsoft makes way more than 50K from the Linux servers azure hosts.Jul 09 14:08
oiaohmThe money being given to OpenSSH is truly peanuts.Jul 09 14:08
cubexyzchump change for MicrosoftJul 09 14:08
cubexyzyesJul 09 14:09
oiaohmcubexyz: think of amazon, rackspace ...... the other cloud providers Jul 09 14:09
msb__Given all the attacks on free software by Microsoft over the years, there should be a clause in the GPL saying that the software can be used by anyone _except_ Microsoft.Jul 09 14:09
oiaohmWhere is their cash/staffJul 09 14:09
cubexyzmsb__, there's the Motif license if you don't want your code on Microsoft WindowsJul 09 14:10
oiaohmmsb__: of course not that would not be sporting.Jul 09 14:10
cubexyzMotif License states the program must be used on an open source operating systemJul 09 14:10
cubexyzsimpleJul 09 14:10
oiaohmmsb__: of course we want Microsoft to incorrectly use GPL stuff somewhere core than been forced to release the source code.Jul 09 14:10
msb__Very good!Jul 09 14:10
cubexyzanother scenario... use the Motif License if you don't want your program ported to windowsJul 09 14:11
msb__No reason to be sporting with Microsoft; it is not sporting with us.Jul 09 14:11
oiaohmmsb__: they are sporting.Jul 09 14:12
cubexyzoiaohm, I can think of other reasons to use the Motif licenseJul 09 14:12
cubexyzsomeone ports your program to windows, and the linux version diesJul 09 14:12
oiaohmIts the funny things like Microsoft iso create tool being fould using a GPL work.Jul 09 14:12
cubexyzit's happened beforeJul 09 14:12
oiaohmSo Microsorf had to release the code.Jul 09 14:12
msb__oiaohm: http://cosmicpenguin.com/linux/MICROSOFTS_WAR_AGAINST_LINUX.htmlJul 09 14:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | MICROSOFT'S WAR AGAINST LINUXJul 09 14:13
cubexyzbut Stallman doesn't like the Motif License of courseJul 09 14:13
oiaohmmsb__:  think about it for all Microsoft anti Linux they end up running Linux in their asure.Jul 09 14:13
msb__I wrote that before UEFI.Jul 09 14:13
msb__oiaohm: Yes, but they try to get the public not to use Linux.Jul 09 14:14
cubexyzI think Microsoft were using BSD for their mail servers at one point?Jul 09 14:14
oiaohmIts just funny to watch Microsoft contructionsJul 09 14:14
cubexyzI think Microsoft goes where the money goesJul 09 14:14
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/showbizmcr/status/619130226673631232Jul 09 14:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@showbizmcr: @schestowitz the trams run well after midnight especially at weekends. So yes they do work after midnight for clarification.Jul 09 14:14
cubexyzit's there prime directiveJul 09 14:14
msb__In order to stop evil it is at least necessary to recognize it and label it publicly as such.Jul 09 14:14
schestowitzJust briefly after midnight, 1am at the latestJul 09 14:15
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Sulman/status/619130235716521984Jul 09 14:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Sulman: @schestowitz Proprietary DB's are also over-engineered behemoths with paid training in mind; Oracle I am looking at you.Jul 09 14:15
msb__With parabolic dishes radio amateurs have bounced microwave pulses from oven magnetrons off the Moon!Jul 09 14:17
cubexyzalthough I thought openbsd forked OpenSSLJul 09 14:18
cubexyzLibreSSLJul 09 14:19
cubexyzradeonfb (which seems to be unremoveable) automatically sets 1024x768-85Jul 09 14:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LinuxIT Acquired | Tux MachinesJul 09 14:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     5 open source tools for taming textJul 09 14:40
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Links 9/7/2015: LinuxIT Sold, Alpine LinuxJul 09 14:40
TweetTuxMachines                 3.2.1 Released http://t.co/Oq9dIB0GQxJul 09 14:40
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/CGP3TvnvEUJul 09 14:40
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android Leftovers http://t.co/eUeU4fyPbjJul 09 14:41
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oiaohmcubexyz:  you cannot unload a driver once it stuck in use.   Yes a horible fact about config_vt it a driver trap.Jul 09 14:42
cubexyzfbi is kind of neat, viewing pictures on the framebufferJul 09 14:56
cubexyzcould come in handyJul 09 14:56
amarsh04yes, fbi is good, no need to bring up X just to view picturesJul 09 14:57
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oiaohmhttp://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OpenSSL-9-July-FlawJul 09 15:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-phoronix.com | OpenSSL's Latest High Severity Issue Exposed - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/n2uur ]Jul 09 15:13
oiaohmThe list of implementation errors keep on showing up.Jul 09 15:13
oiaohmDarn I hate when my updates are 1.2GJul 09 15:31
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cubexyzI'm not sure I can stop using radeonfb even if load uvesafbJul 09 15:33
Po2005does anyone know how to get to the #Archive channel?Jul 09 15:35
oiaohmPo2005: is your user registered.Jul 09 15:36
Po2005well i came from IRC chat. so i am newJul 09 15:37
oiaohmPo2005: I guess you have tried to enter the archive channel.Jul 09 15:38
oiaohmPo2005: I know I can enter the channel without issueJul 09 15:40
oiaohmPo2005: but my user is a registered user.Jul 09 15:40
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MinceR> Red Hat ‘plays well with others’Jul 09 15:51
MinceRno it doesn'tJul 09 15:51
MinceRtrying to destroy GNU/Linux is not "playing well with others"Jul 09 15:51
oiaohmReally that is hash.Jul 09 15:55
oiaohmRedhat does not exactly have the objective to destroy GNU/Linux.Jul 09 15:56
oiaohmHistory with the gcc complier and other parts say that.Jul 09 15:56
oiaohmAt time Redhat objectives and everyone elses does not align for a while.Jul 09 15:56
oiaohmMinceR: I guess you forger the egcc messJul 09 15:57
oiaohmforger/forgetJul 09 15:57
oiaohmRedhat not being in alignment is not exactly new.Jul 09 15:58
MinceRoiaohm: forcing other distros to become fedora clones or die while turning fedora into a windows clone is not destroying GNU/Linux?Jul 09 15:58
oiaohmMinceR: one thing known is if you find the problems redhat is attempting to address and provide a better solution Redhat will change to it.Jul 09 15:58
oiaohmMinceR: No they are not forcing that.Jul 09 15:59
MinceRseems pretty clear that red hat is trying hard to make everyone depend on code only red hat can maintainJul 09 15:59
MinceRespecially in the case of debianJul 09 15:59
oiaohmYou miss the egcc history don't you.Jul 09 15:59
oiaohmand eglibcJul 09 15:59
MinceRand in the case of their attacks on distros like gentoo and devuanJul 09 15:59
oiaohmRedhat making a varation from the core and having other distrobutions follow is not new.Jul 09 16:00
MinceReven abusing their influence on gnome to force other distros to follow?Jul 09 16:00
oiaohmNot newJul 09 16:00
oiaohmat a time gnome would not build with standard glibcJul 09 16:00
MinceRalso, past wrongdoing does not absolve them nowJul 09 16:01
MinceRyou can have multiple libc-s installed on the same systemJul 09 16:01
MinceRsystemd specifically checks whether it got pid1 and complains if it did not.Jul 09 16:01
oiaohmPast wrong doing is wrong.Jul 09 16:01
oiaohmMinceR: sysvinit checks if it pid1 if it not takes over pid1Jul 09 16:02
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oiaohmsystemd complaining is in fact being nice.Jul 09 16:02
MinceRsysvinit only attempts to do a tiny fraction of what systemd is attempting to doJul 09 16:02
MinceRsysvinit does not come coupled to a logger daemon or dbusJul 09 16:03
oiaohmWhat about upstart that fedora used before systemd.Jul 09 16:03
cubexyzoiaohm, there's tons of people who don't like systemd being shoved down their throatsJul 09 16:03
cubexyzit's not just a few Jul 09 16:03
oiaohmThe reality is most people wanting sysvinit back were not in fact using sysvinit.Jul 09 16:04
MinceReven upstart isn't as evil as systemdJul 09 16:04
oiaohmupstart is worse in one hand.Jul 09 16:04
MinceRupstart does not try to hijack your userlandJul 09 16:04
oiaohmbecause particular programs hate upstarts ptrace solution instead of using cgroupsJul 09 16:04
MinceRit's just a broken init systemJul 09 16:04
oiaohmupstart interfered with program debugging MinceRJul 09 16:04
MinceRsystemd interferes with logging, reaping zombies and fsckJul 09 16:05
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/showbizmcr/status/619134663043493888Jul 09 16:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@showbizmcr: @schestowitz for example last tram to Ashton from Picc is 00:52 on a Saturday. So I'd guess we'll after 2am before tram returns to depot.Jul 09 16:05
oiaohmupstart interferes in fact with logging and zombiesJul 09 16:05
oiaohmMinceR: so 1 the fsck issue.Jul 09 16:06
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Stubee217/status/619142710541295616Jul 09 16:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Stubee217: @schestowitz @showbizmcr so get your facts right before "trying" to be clever as you've just changed your whole argumentJul 09 16:06
MinceRupstart can be swapped out for a number of init systemsJul 09 16:06
schestowitzMost lines have last journey at around 11pm, ending around midnightJul 09 16:06
MinceRsystemd tries to hold on to everything with its filthy tentaclesJul 09 16:06
oiaohmMinceR: how many of those init systems techically work.Jul 09 16:06
MinceRmost likely severalJul 09 16:06
MinceRas opposed to systemd, which doesn'tJul 09 16:06
oiaohmMinceR: I said techically works.Jul 09 16:07
oiaohmIe proper tracking of processors.Jul 09 16:07
oiaohmprocessesJul 09 16:07
MinceRyeah, let's move the goalpostsJul 09 16:07
amarsh04our last commuter trains are around midnight hereJul 09 16:07
MinceRwho cares if systemd tries to continue booting while fsck worksJul 09 16:07
oiaohmMinceR: BSD init on bsd system and SMF on solaris has proper process tracking.Jul 09 16:07
amarsh04I like to see what fsck is doingJul 09 16:07
MinceRor fails to start servicesJul 09 16:07
oiaohmMinceR: or the AIX solution has proper process tracking.Jul 09 16:08
MinceRor prevents you from interacting with a process that needs inputJul 09 16:08
amarsh04and interrupt a forced fsck on the n-th reboot if need beJul 09 16:08
amarsh04exactlyJul 09 16:08
MinceRor SIGKILLs your processes before they had a chance to save their stuffJul 09 16:08
MinceRor, together with gnome, makes your screen impossible to unlock until you hibernate and resume, at which point it unlocks without needing a passwordJul 09 16:09
amarsh04on one machine here (single core) the DHCP process on boot-up is shown, on the other (4-core) it is hiddenJul 09 16:09
oiaohmIf you want all that you have 1 other choice other than systemd that works openrcJul 09 16:09
amarsh04I like to see such thing on boot-upJul 09 16:09
MinceRopenrc is not coupled to everything in an attempt to hijack everythingJul 09 16:09
MinceRsystemd isJul 09 16:09
amarsh04(using Debian with sysvinit and only libsystemd0)Jul 09 16:09
amarsh04plus I find the lack of documentation on debugging udev badJul 09 16:10
MinceRsystemd prevents your system from booting properly if some non-essential fs in fstab is missingJul 09 16:10
oiaohmamarsh04: to be correct the documentation on udev has improved since systemd started.Jul 09 16:10
cubexyzit's odd that I never heard about all these sysvinit problems in the Xenix eraJul 09 16:10
MinceRyeahJul 09 16:10
MinceRit's almost as if they were made up to support a certain political agendaJul 09 16:10
oiaohmcubexyz: Xenix you cannot break a process way from it starting PID tree.Jul 09 16:11
oiaohmLinux is not exactly Unix.Jul 09 16:11
oiaohmThe minor differences means it cannot work with a Unix style init system correctly.Jul 09 16:11
amarsh04good oiaohm, but I was never able to do more than pinpoint which udev version stopped recognising my old Nokia handset in mass storage mode, fortunately it started working again in a later version of udevJul 09 16:12
MinceRred hat "playing nice with others" >> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2015-June/033170.htmlJul 09 16:12
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MinceRsee also >> http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1506.2/03764.htmlJul 09 16:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.iu.edu | Linux-Kernel Archive: careful review of kdbus [ http://ur1.ca/n2vc5 ]Jul 09 16:12
MinceRred hat is nothing more than yet another microsoft, playing from the microsoft book of tricksJul 09 16:13
MinceRif gnu/linux users want gnu/linux to survive, they should stop being red hat's clients in any wayJul 09 16:13
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/showbizmcr/status/619162066335715329Jul 09 16:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@showbizmcr: @schestowitz are you are referring to Metrolink in Manchester?Jul 09 16:14
cubexyzit will surviveJul 09 16:14
schestowitzYes, lines I take sometimes stop at around 11 (outwards), with journey ending around midnightJul 09 16:14
cubexyzIBM uses Linux, the stock exchanges use LinuxJul 09 16:14
cubexyzthe US military uses LinuxJul 09 16:14
MinceRwith some help from crApple, they've even taken aim at other free unixesJul 09 16:15
cubexyzMinceR, I'd run one openbsd box to be safe thoughJul 09 16:15
oiaohmMinceR: so what did you not notice that even when kdbus was built into systemd by default it was not made fail because it was not there.Jul 09 16:15
MinceRoiaohm: doesn't matter, they're still abusing their leverage to pressure linus to make a technical decision he knows to be wrongJul 09 16:16
oiaohmNo they are not abusing there leverage at all.Jul 09 16:17
oiaohmthe rewriting of the dbus library by the systemd group was in fact requested by linus to make a proper assessment.Jul 09 16:17
amarsh04a few days of git-bisects and reports lead to a one line of code fix that could cause a kernel lock-up: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1992111Jul 09 16:18
oiaohmLinus did in fact request that distrobutions review it.Jul 09 16:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-permalink.gmane.org | [PULL] module fix [ http://ur1.ca/n2vdu ]Jul 09 16:18
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/showbizmcr/status/619163236894687232Jul 09 16:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@showbizmcr: @schestowitz so Rochdale (line) then I'm guessing?Jul 09 16:18
MinceRdbus should be replaced by an IPC mechanism that wasn't designed by windows kiddiesJul 09 16:18
MinceRon the assumption that you'll just reboot if something is wrongJul 09 16:18
schestowitzAshton and RochdaleJul 09 16:18
amarsh04that could fix a problem that could cause a kernel lock-up rather (-:Jul 09 16:19
oiaohmMinceR: too late dbus is already mass deployed.Jul 09 16:19
cubexyzrebooting is fine on test systemsJul 09 16:19
cubexyznot on your main systemsJul 09 16:19
MinceRoiaohm: that's like saying "too late, windows is already mass deployed"Jul 09 16:19
MinceRoiaohm: if people could move from windows to gnu/linux, they can also move from lendows to gnu/linuxJul 09 16:20
oiaohmMinceR: why did dbus appear in the first place.   Existing Unix IPC could not do the job properly.Jul 09 16:21
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/showbizmcr/status/619164300209455104Jul 09 16:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@showbizmcr: @schestowitz the farthest part of the system so trams will finish earlier. But to comment the system ends universally at that time is false.Jul 09 16:21
MinceRbecause apparently dcop wasn't sufficiently overcomplicatedJul 09 16:21
MinceRand wasn't used in places that don't need it yetJul 09 16:22
oiaohmMinceR: dbus is a simpler protocal than dcopJul 09 16:22
MinceRyeah, specifying an FQDN 3 times in 2 different formats is "simple"Jul 09 16:22
MinceRthey should have thrown in a UUID or 6 for good measureJul 09 16:23
oiaohmMinceR: that is fact simple.  Across dcop it was 14 different formats.Jul 09 16:23
MinceRsomehow i could use dcop with 0 FQDN-sJul 09 16:23
MinceRsomehow it workedJul 09 16:23
oiaohmMinceR: what happen with dcop is it was extended and extended and people lost track of what it was doing.Jul 09 16:23
MinceRsomehow the tool i used to introspect the interfaces worked reliably, as opposed to crashing all the timeJul 09 16:23
MinceRsomehow the "init system" didn't depend on dcopJul 09 16:24
cubexyzthe dbus-daemon is pretty old isn't it?Jul 09 16:24
oiaohmMinceR: I guess you never worked with old qt applications using dcop for stupid things.Jul 09 16:25
MinceRi guess soJul 09 16:25
MinceRusing dbus for stupid things is more popular nowJul 09 16:25
MinceRlike broadcasting >512kB messagesJul 09 16:25
oiaohmkdbus does not implement exactly the same a the dbus-deamon.Jul 09 16:25
MinceRyeah, they'll probably make them incompatibleJul 09 16:26
oiaohmIn fact it implements a lot differently.Jul 09 16:26
MinceRto remove the option of using userspace dbusJul 09 16:26
MinceRand force you to use systemdJul 09 16:26
MinceRnext stop: ksystemdJul 09 16:26
oiaohmNo you can keep compadiblity with dbus-deamon operations without coping some of the stupidty.Jul 09 16:26
MinceRor i can just link all that crap with https://github.com/clbr/nobusJul 09 16:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | clbr/nobus · GitHubJul 09 16:26
oiaohmThe kernel can que up messages from different processes effectively.Jul 09 16:27
MinceRuserspace can function effectively, if it wasn't implemented in such a shoddy way as dbus isJul 09 16:27
MinceRbut "throw it into the kernel" is apparently easierJul 09 16:27
MinceRplus their beloved microsoft did it all the timeJul 09 16:27
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MinceRi await the OS designed by these ricers that runs everything in ring 0Jul 09 16:28
oiaohmMinceR: yes and no there are somethings kdbus can do that userspace code never can.Jul 09 16:28
MinceRjust because you can doesn't mean you shouldJul 09 16:28
oiaohmMinceR: like crossing cgroup boundaries without a stack of issues.Jul 09 16:29
MinceRjust because you can shovel all the garbage you find into the kernel and bloat it beyond all hope of repair doesn't mean you should.Jul 09 16:29
MinceRstrange, other virtualization solutions somehow managed to communicate with their VMs without needing kernel-mode codeJul 09 16:29
MinceRonly cgroups are so broken.Jul 09 16:29
oiaohmNone of the existing Linux IPC are design to cross cgroup boundaries maintin correct secuirty.Jul 09 16:29
oiaohmMinceR: really wrong.Jul 09 16:30
MinceRgood thing they can just throw in a few dozen extra design flaws to work around one design flawJul 09 16:30
cubexyzwhen did the dbus stuff appear?Jul 09 16:30
oiaohmhyper-v and vmware solution include drivers to extract information.Jul 09 16:30
oiaohmSo other VM not needing kernel mode code you are so wrong it not funny MinceRJul 09 16:31
cubexyzit's in openbsd alsoJul 09 16:31
cubexyzso dbus-daemon is trans-linuxJul 09 16:31
oiaohmdbus comes from freedesktopJul 09 16:31
oiaohmTo make gnome and kde play better with each other Jul 09 16:32
cubexyzdid Linux version 1.0 have it?Jul 09 16:32
oiaohminstead of implementing completley different userspace IPCJul 09 16:32
MinceRmission accomplishedJul 09 16:32
MinceRgnome is already dependent on cancerdJul 09 16:32
MinceRkde will become dependent on cancerd in augustJul 09 16:32
cubexyzgnome doesn't have to have systemd thoughJul 09 16:33
MinceRwell, funtoo seems to have patched to fix itJul 09 16:33
cubexyzat least not older gnomeJul 09 16:33
MinceRi guess it's only a matter of time before they get a message like http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.htmlJul 09 16:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.freedesktop.org | [systemd-devel] [PATCH] Drop the udev firmware loader [ http://ur1.ca/ir0kd ]Jul 09 16:33
MinceRand red hat tries to break their fixJul 09 16:33
oiaohmMinceR: please don't be making the mistake that logind means dependancy on systemd.Jul 09 16:34
cubexyzand there's that suffix -1 on dbus-daemonJul 09 16:34
MinceRyeah, it's not like systemd-logind is a part of systemdJul 09 16:34
oiaohmBSD systems have implemented their own logind.Jul 09 16:34
MinceRoh wait, it isJul 09 16:34
MinceRyeah, bsd is also being turned into lendowsJul 09 16:34
cubexyzit looks like 2002 had version  0.13Jul 09 16:34
MinceRthere's nothing good about thatJul 09 16:34
oiaohmMinceR: on Linux logind is part of systemd or consolekit2Jul 09 16:34
MinceRred hat won't rest until they've destroyed all unixJul 09 16:34
cubexyzas I mentioned dbus-daemon has been around for a long timeJul 09 16:34
oiaohmMinceR: note what I just said.Jul 09 16:34
MinceRand then microsoft pulls the plug on their uefi Restricted Boot certificateJul 09 16:34
MinceRand boom, red crap dies tooJul 09 16:35
oiaohmTo have logind on Linux you dont' have to run systemd at all.  MinceRJul 09 16:35
MinceRand everybody will be _extremely_ surprisedJul 09 16:35
oiaohmMinceR: do you know what logind is design to get rid of.Jul 09 16:35
cubexyzthen DOJ puts the beatdown on Microsoft (again)Jul 09 16:35
MinceRsanity?Jul 09 16:35
oiaohmMinceR: NopJul 09 16:35
MinceRcubexyz: except they never really punished m$Jul 09 16:35
oiaohmMinceR: do you call it sane that gnome and KDE run independant session management that can crash into each other locking up the users interface.Jul 09 16:36
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/mangel_joe/status/619167609783746565Jul 09 16:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mangel_joe: @showbizmcr @schestowitz Just look at Mkt St times. They have to get all way out and back from those destinations. http://t.co/6f0HGilc9PJul 09 16:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mangel_joe: @showbizmcr @schestowitz Just look at Mkt St times. They have to get all way out and back from those destinations. http://t.co/6f0HGilc9PJul 09 16:36
schestowitzMidnight standard for standard daysJul 09 16:36
MinceRafaict that "session management" isn't used for much anywayJul 09 16:36
oiaohmMinceR: what logind is 1 session management no matter the GUI loaded.Jul 09 16:36
MinceRusually they just start a bunch of clientsJul 09 16:36
MinceRwhich a simple shell script could doJul 09 16:36
oiaohmMinceR: kde and gnome interaces don't run without the session management.Jul 09 16:36
MinceRthat is, if poettering hadn't declared shell scripting heresyJul 09 16:37
MinceRoiaohm: i'm doing fine without their interfacesJul 09 16:37
oiaohmMinceR: same with xfce had it own session management.Jul 09 16:37
oiaohmMinceR: every single x11 class desktop wm has a session manager.Jul 09 16:37
MinceRoiaohm: do you know why shell scripting is heresy?Jul 09 16:37
MinceRbecause a sysadmin could look under the hood and change how they workJul 09 16:37
MinceRand thus they wouldn't be entirely dependant on paying red crap to do their changes for themJul 09 16:38
MinceR(if they feel like doing so)Jul 09 16:38
oiaohmMinceR: every single session management in a GUI is not shell script.Jul 09 16:38
oiaohmDo you know 3 ways to kill a sysvinit system that a user would not always expect.Jul 09 16:39
MinceRyeah, ~/.xsession doesn't existJul 09 16:39
MinceRi can see a way of killing it that's underwayJul 09 16:39
oiaohmMinceR: 1 is change insalled shellsJul 09 16:39
oiaohmMinceR: why the /bin/sh changes.Jul 09 16:39
MinceRchange all applications and DEs so they depend on something that _must_ run as pid1 and isn't initJul 09 16:40
MinceRstuff the kernel with crap that makes it bloated, unstable and insecureJul 09 16:40
oiaohmKDE has only agreed to support logind as a dependancy because it cross platform.Jul 09 16:40
oiaohmSo allowing cross platform sane service management.Jul 09 16:40
MinceRmaybe red crap claims it's crossplatform for nowJul 09 16:40
MinceRyou can bet this will change after kde made their moveJul 09 16:41
oiaohmNoJul 09 16:41
oiaohmNote there are 2 implementations under LinuxJul 09 16:41
MinceRthis would not be the first promise they went back on, to lock people into cancerdJul 09 16:41
oiaohmBSD has their own.Jul 09 16:41
MinceRhttp://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.hotplug.devel/17392Jul 09 16:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-article.gmane.org | Gmane -- The future of the udev source tree [ http://ur1.ca/jn1n9 ]Jul 09 16:41
MinceRhttp://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.htmlJul 09 16:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.freedesktop.org | [systemd-devel] [PATCH] Drop the udev firmware loader [ http://ur1.ca/ir0kd ]Jul 09 16:41
MinceRif systemd is so great, why does redcrap need to shove it down people's throats?Jul 09 16:41
oiaohmTo be correct 3 if you count openrc implementation.Jul 09 16:41
MinceRwhy all the coercion?Jul 09 16:41
oiaohmMinceR: some things about systemd are fine to complain about.Jul 09 16:42
oiaohmItems like logind not exactly so.Jul 09 16:42
MinceRooh, i'm allowed to complain about some thingsJul 09 16:42
MinceRthat makes me so contentJul 09 16:42
oiaohmMinceR: I do have issues with systemdJul 09 16:42
MinceRguess what, other people have more issues with itJul 09 16:43
oiaohmMinceR: just some of the thing you are going on with are in fact not exactly issues.  Logind change has to happen.   Because before logind it has been insane.   With xfce applications starting a xfce session management inside gnome at times Jul 09 16:43
oiaohmMinceR:  remember the solutions before systemd were not issueless.Jul 09 16:44
MinceRat least they were not bloatedJul 09 16:44
oiaohmSome of systemd changes have tried out have been replicated by openbsd and the like because they are truly good ideas.Jul 09 16:44
MinceRand they were free softwareJul 09 16:44
MinceRin practice as well as theoryJul 09 16:44
oiaohmMinceR: bloated is having more than 1 session manager running.Jul 09 16:45
MinceRand they were pretty reliable and secureJul 09 16:45
MinceRoiaohm: actually, even 1 session manager is unnecessaryJul 09 16:45
oiaohmMinceR: its eating up good memory without any good reason.Jul 09 16:45
oiaohmMinceR: if you kill X11 yes.Jul 09 16:45
MinceRguess what else is gobbling memory without any good reasonJul 09 16:45
MinceRno, even if i run X11Jul 09 16:45
MinceRguess what else is gobbling memory without any good reason >> systemd!Jul 09 16:45
oiaohmNo X11 design for wm demards you have 1Jul 09 16:45
MinceRfvwm ran just fine without xsm or any other session managerJul 09 16:45
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oiaohmIts session manager was built into the fvwm binary.Jul 09 16:46
MinceRit's funny how many things systemd apologists allege are impossible that i have done often myselfJul 09 16:46
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MinceRand if i have X start xterm first, we start claiming "a session manager was built into xterm"?Jul 09 16:46
oiaohmMinceR: X11 for a wm manager to register you must have a session manager.Jul 09 16:46
oiaohmMinceR: xterm without a session manager does not have windows.Jul 09 16:47
MinceRactually it doesJul 09 16:47
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MinceRit's pretty much all it hasJul 09 16:47
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MinceRborders are not what make an x11 windowJul 09 16:47
MinceRyou should know this if you know x11.Jul 09 16:47
oiaohmsession manager defines where keyboard input and mouse actions are going.Jul 09 16:48
MinceRyet i could somehow type into the xterm that was the only client that was runningJul 09 16:48
oiaohmMinceR: that was depend on the X11 default wmJul 09 16:48
MinceRthere's no "default wm"Jul 09 16:48
oiaohmOnce you load your own hello.Jul 09 16:48
oiaohmMinceR: there is a default.Jul 09 16:49
oiaohmMinceR: X11 server has a noop wmJul 09 16:49
oiaohmMinceR: basically its not a straight forwards as most of use would hope.Jul 09 16:50
oiaohmX11 design big mess.Jul 09 16:51
oiaohmStuff to make X11 work equally big mess.Jul 09 16:51
MinceRthat doesn't stop some people from building a far bigger mess on top of and around itJul 09 16:51
MinceRi wonder when will red hat push mutter into the kernelJul 09 16:51
MinceRafter all, windows nt has the windowing system, the window manager and half of the gui toolkit in the kernelJul 09 16:52
MinceRso lendows must do the sameJul 09 16:52
oiaohmNot happening.Jul 09 16:52
oiaohmRedhat in fact removed the in Linux kernel fb windows manager.Jul 09 16:52
MinceRyeah, just like kdbus isn't happeningJul 09 16:52
oiaohmYes gui in kernel was a real thing for early Linux MinceRJul 09 16:52
MinceRthey'll have a far bigger oneJul 09 16:53
MinceRand shinierJul 09 16:53
MinceRand most important of all, newer!Jul 09 16:53
oiaohmMinceR: the idea of WM in kernel space is not going to happen at least not by redhat.Jul 09 16:53
MinceRand since it runs in kernel mode, it will be soooooooooo faaaaaaaaaaaaastJul 09 16:54
MinceRjust like windows ntJul 09 16:54
oiaohmNot at all.Jul 09 16:54
oiaohmHave you not look at KMS and DRIJul 09 16:54
MinceR(which was easily beaten by usermode X, user mode switching and the slowest X11 wm i've ever seen, sawfish)Jul 09 16:54
oiaohmIts in fact slower to move a WM into Linux space kernel space.Jul 09 16:54
MinceRwhen did that ever stop anybody?Jul 09 16:55
MinceRjust because something is a bad idea doesn't mean people won't try itJul 09 16:55
oiaohmMinceR: have you forgot inside the Linux kernel space there is no floating point operations or at least if you want it to perform.Jul 09 16:55
MinceRespecially the likes of poettering and sieversJul 09 16:55
oiaohmWM for window scaling has to perform floating point at times.Jul 09 16:55
MinceRthey could put that part into systemdJul 09 16:56
oiaohmMinceR: systemd in userspace maybe.Jul 09 16:56
MinceRwhich is already their landfill for "stuff we don't want to force into the kernel just yet"Jul 09 16:56
oiaohmMinceR: but the claim of kernelspace it not happening ever.Jul 09 16:56
MinceRsureJul 09 16:56
MinceRwould you have guessed 10 years ago that red hat will try to turn gnu/linux into windows?Jul 09 16:56
oiaohmRedhat is not going to hurt super computer performance.Jul 09 16:56
MinceRyes they areJul 09 16:57
oiaohmMinceR: no they are not.Jul 09 16:57
oiaohmkdbus is a loadable module not a embedded one(guess why.Jul 09 16:57
MinceRif they didn't want to hurt performance, they wouldn't be forcing garbage like systemd and kdbusJul 09 16:57
oiaohmYou just missed something.Jul 09 16:57
MinceRi'm sure they'll spread some dependencies on kdbus if they manage to have it mergedJul 09 16:58
oiaohmkdbus will always be unloadable.Jul 09 16:58
MinceRjust like they did with systemdJul 09 16:58
MinceRyeah, and you can set init= to something other than systemdJul 09 16:58
MinceRwon't stop redhat from trying to break everything in your system if you do soJul 09 16:58
MinceR(or debian)Jul 09 16:58
MinceRiirc they've already managed to break init=/bin/shJul 09 16:58
oiaohmMinceR: when did you notice that broken.Jul 09 16:59
oiaohmI hope you say 2002Jul 09 16:59
MinceRit wasn't broken for me since i haven't used cancerd muchJul 09 17:00
MinceRand even then only unwittinglyJul 09 17:00
oiaohm2002 is pre systemdJul 09 17:00
MinceRapparently i keep doing the impossibleJul 09 17:01
oiaohmI was running segmented partitions back in 2002Jul 09 17:01
MinceRit's either that or systemd fans are severely delusional.Jul 09 17:01
oiaohmThere is a issue with initrd and not mounting all required filesystems so /bin being in a different partition guess what happened.Jul 09 17:01
MinceRthe most separation i ever did was separate /, /boot and /homeJul 09 17:02
MinceR(and i regret even that)Jul 09 17:02
oiaohmsystemd addes the option to fstab to tell extra partitions to be added to the initrd.Jul 09 17:03
cubexyzmy openbsd box has separate /, /home, /tmp, /usr, /usr/X11R6, /usr/local, /usr/obj, /usr/src, and /varJul 09 17:03
oiaohmcubexyz: but openbsd initrd equal works correctlyJul 09 17:04
MinceRmaybe red hat will "fix" that tooJul 09 17:04
oiaohmThere have been a list of issues that would raise there head on Linux MinceR if you started configuing Linux partitions like BSD.Jul 09 17:04
oiaohmThe reality here is redhat is attempting to fix real faults.Jul 09 17:05
oiaohmBut they are creating like 20 more at times.Jul 09 17:05
MinceRreal "faults" like red hat not controlling 100% of the gnu/linux marketJul 09 17:05
oiaohmLike early on in systemd where the lead developer goes you will not partition at all.Jul 09 17:05
oiaohmOS will all be in 1 partition.Jul 09 17:06
oiaohmCurrent systemd in fact supports split.Jul 09 17:06
MinceRdidn't they make a mess of /usr recently?Jul 09 17:06
oiaohmMinceR: until recently /usr booting was not offically supported.Jul 09 17:06
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oiaohmMinceR: yes people hacking aroudn systemd limitations have been bitten when the limitation has been fixed.Jul 09 17:07
MinceRgood thing all of this will finally be fixed once redhat moves the entire root filesystem into initrdJul 09 17:07
MinceR(readonly, of course)Jul 09 17:07
MinceR(and signed, so that UEFI, TPM and other treacherous tech can ensure you don't get to control anything)Jul 09 17:08
oiaohmMinceR: one of the changes of systemd design is that core file systems should be mounted read only by the initrdJul 09 17:08
oiaohmAnd if there is a issue stop in the initrd with no file system going rw.Jul 09 17:09
MinceRmaybe that's why it does shit like this >> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/316Jul 09 17:09
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oiaohmTheory to reduce data losJul 09 17:09
cubexyzoops, another systemd prob :)Jul 09 17:09
MinceRalso, http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2015-May/031658.htmlJul 09 17:10
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MinceRone would think that bugs like these 4 years after fedora started forcing systemd on their users is a pretty good sign of systemd going nowhereJul 09 17:10
oiaohmMinceR: yep some of those issues are miss configuration.   But the systemd guys have not closed a lot of those bugs as wont fix as they could haveJul 09 17:11
MinceRthe misconfiguration being allowing cancerd to runJul 09 17:11
MinceRooh, they haven't closed everything as WONTFIX, only most thingsJul 09 17:11
MinceRthey must be saints.Jul 09 17:11
oiaohmMinceR: that is wrong too.Jul 09 17:11
oiaohmVery few systemd bug as closed with WONTFIXJul 09 17:11
oiaohmMinceR: the #316 bug you brought in was in fact fixed in newer versions of systemdJul 09 17:13
MinceRwho knows, maybe in 3015, systemd will finally be stable enough for production useJul 09 17:14
oiaohmMinceR:  the reality that they are fixing a lot of these issues.   Even issues they could tag WONTFIX because it against documetnation how systems should be configured.Jul 09 17:16
oiaohmMinceR: but its timeJul 09 17:16
oiaohmReally I think systemd developers need to stop adding features for a while and just focus on the bug backlog.Jul 09 17:16
MinceRi think they just need to find a career they can excel inJul 09 17:17
MinceRsoftware engineering was clearly not meant for themJul 09 17:17
MinceRand neither was QAJul 09 17:17
oiaohmQA I would agree the need a good person on that to take project lead.Jul 09 17:18
oiaohmMinceR: remember not everyone doing software engineering should be a release manager or a QA officer.Jul 09 17:20
MinceRthey should have some idea of good practices, cohesion and coupling, thoughJul 09 17:20
MinceRalso, coding standards and code documentation.Jul 09 17:20
oiaohmMinceR: I see systemd as a project with too many indians trying to be chiefs.Jul 09 17:20
MinceRi see it as a project of windows fanboys trying to mold gnu/linux into windows.Jul 09 17:21
MinceRwith a bit of macos, but that's no great difference.Jul 09 17:21
oiaohmReally I would not say windows fanboysJul 09 17:21
oiaohma Lot of what they are doing is impossible for windows.Jul 09 17:21
oiaohmthe idea of per application /tmp directory and the like this is not windows.Jul 09 17:22
MinceRwindows seems to be the most notable os with this extreme obsession with bloat, inflexibility, opaqueness, extreme coupling and total lack of cohesionJul 09 17:22
oiaohmMinceR: if they are fanboys of anything is solaris SMFJul 09 17:22
MinceRnopeJul 09 17:22
MinceRSMF doesn't run as pid1Jul 09 17:22
cubexyzopaqueness certainlyJul 09 17:22
MinceRSMF doesn't try to take over the entire userland, afaik it has a clearly defined scopeJul 09 17:23
oiaohmMinceR: SMF can run as pid1 if choosen to.Jul 09 17:23
MinceRsystemd has practically no scopeJul 09 17:23
oiaohmMinceR: systemd does not have to run as PID1Jul 09 17:23
MinceRoiaohm: see, there's an element of choice. that's completely unheard of in systemd world.Jul 09 17:23
MinceRyeah, it can complain and quitJul 09 17:23
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MinceRwhich is arguably more useful than what it would otherwise doJul 09 17:23
oiaohmMinceR: note what I said about too many indians attempting to be chief.Jul 09 17:23
oiaohmMinceR: systemd no one sat down and defined a scope.Jul 09 17:23
MinceRnote that i don't want any indian to be my chief.Jul 09 17:23
oiaohmSo you have a feature creap from hell.Jul 09 17:24
MinceRalso note that free software is not about making someone your master.Jul 09 17:24
MinceR(which is just another way in which you can see that systemd is nonfree)Jul 09 17:24
oiaohmMinceR: every project need some form of master.Jul 09 17:24
MinceRi'm not a projectJul 09 17:24
oiaohmEther a board or a person.Jul 09 17:24
oiaohmMinceR: to make systemd or sysvinit or kernel....Jul 09 17:24
oiaohmIf that board or person does not manage it correctly expect hell.Jul 09 17:25
MinceRno, if that board or person has such leverage as redcrap does, then expect hellJul 09 17:25
MinceRif they don't, expect people to just avoid and ignore that projectJul 09 17:25
oiaohmNot exactly true remember 1996 to 1998 we put pu with broken glibcJul 09 17:26
oiaohmbecause the guy at the top at that at the time had no idea how to do QAJul 09 17:26
MinceRwe have other libc-sJul 09 17:26
MinceRand we can even use them at the same time on the same systemJul 09 17:27
oiaohmMinceR: now we doJul 09 17:27
oiaohmBut back then there was not as much choice.Jul 09 17:27
MinceRi'm pretty sure by the time there was a glibc there were others tooJul 09 17:27
MinceRredhat's game is about taking all choice awayJul 09 17:27
oiaohmthe branching of the glibc for Linux starts with redhat makign there own branch away from GNU.Jul 09 17:27
oiaohmAfter redhat puts up with the abuse from GNU for forking a project then the others like dietlibc and the like appear.Jul 09 17:28
oiaohmSo at times redhat stuborn streak as been good.Jul 09 17:29
MinceRthere are plenty of libc-s that are not glibc forks, afaikJul 09 17:29
oiaohmAt other times redhat stuborn streak brings misseries.Jul 09 17:29
MinceRwhatever the bsd-s use, musl and bionic come to mindJul 09 17:29
oiaohmmusl is newer than the redhat fork.Jul 09 17:29
oiaohmThe bsd one did not run on Linux kernels.Jul 09 17:30
oiaohmSo big hissy fit about redhat historically in the end makes competitors that work appear.Jul 09 17:30
oiaohmSo I am not exactly sure if Long term systemd will be looked back as a bad thing to have happened.Jul 09 17:31
cubexyzok, I found a pre-dbus LinuxJul 09 17:31
oiaohmOk we might be looking back using something completely different from a team than can properly do QA.Jul 09 17:31
cubexyzbasic linux which is based on old slackwareJul 09 17:31
oiaohmcubexyz: dbus is not in KDE3 because KDE 3 was still using dcopJul 09 17:32
oiaohmcubexyz: dbus is not exactly that old.Jul 09 17:32
cubexyzdbus-daemon is on my fc1 systemJul 09 17:32
MinceRpart of why kde3 was reliableJul 09 17:32
cubexyzit seems around 2002 eraJul 09 17:32
cubexyzthat's what the copyright saysJul 09 17:33
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MinceRalso, there was no broken shit like udisks2 or pulseaudio back thenJul 09 17:33
MinceRthose were the daysJul 09 17:33
cubexyzI was referring to basic linux, which is pre-dbus-daemonJul 09 17:34
cubexyz1999 eraJul 09 17:34
cubexyzwhich fitsJul 09 17:34
oiaohmMinceR: you are forgeting haldJul 09 17:34
MinceRi don't remember any troubles with haldJul 09 17:34
oiaohmMinceR: yes the userspace device extraction system design to be kernel so called neutral.Jul 09 17:34
MinceRthen again, that didn't exist back then either, iircJul 09 17:34
oiaohmhald starts 1988Jul 09 17:35
cubexyzbl3 has init, kflushd, kupdate, kswapd, sh, getty, that's itJul 09 17:35
MinceRi do remember udisks2 routinely dyingJul 09 17:35
MinceRwithout any documentation on how you're supposed to restart itJul 09 17:35
oiaohmMinceR: hald is older than Linux.Jul 09 17:35
oiaohmAnd even worse documented than udisksJul 09 17:35
MinceRand with some bullshit about how it will be started when neededJul 09 17:35
MinceRyet i've never seen hald crashJul 09 17:35
oiaohmMinceR: I had tablet input devices.Jul 09 17:36
oiaohmhald dieing was kinda a given.Jul 09 17:36
MinceRi think i got my thinkpad x-series tablet too late for thatJul 09 17:37
oiaohmhttp://linux.die.net/man/8/haldJul 09 17:37
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oiaohmhald is what gets me hating sysvinit MinceRJul 09 17:38
cubexyzok, so I think dbus-daemon started around the redhat 8 eraJul 09 17:38
oiaohmNotice the restart instructions on that man pageJul 09 17:38
MinceRhald is not part of sysvinit, thoughJul 09 17:38
MinceRand sysvinit doesn't depend on haldJul 09 17:38
oiaohmMinceR: sysvinit starts hald but then cannot restart it.Jul 09 17:38
MinceRyeah, they managed to document how to restart itJul 09 17:39
MinceRunlike udisks2Jul 09 17:39
oiaohmMinceR: hopefullly.Jul 09 17:39
MinceRoh, it's so hard to restartJul 09 17:39
oiaohmpkill hald sometimes failed.Jul 09 17:39
cubexyzdid hald predate Linux?Jul 09 17:39
MinceRit's 3 whole commands!Jul 09 17:39
MinceRif someone's scared by 3 commands, maybe they shouldn't be using a computerJul 09 17:39
oiaohmMinceR: hald mafuncting is a forkbombJul 09 17:39
oiaohmpkill hald did not work in every case.Jul 09 17:40
MinceRbut i totally want to have my entire OS hijacked just so it can be restarted automaticallyJul 09 17:40
MinceRoh wait, if i wanted that, i could just go back to windowsJul 09 17:40
oiaohmMinceR: I really like openrc more than systemdJul 09 17:40
MinceRwindows is already broken in every way redhat wants to break linux-based os-esJul 09 17:40
MinceRmaybe they should just go back to windows.Jul 09 17:40
MinceRoiaohm: guess what, redhat is trying to destroy openrc.Jul 09 17:41
oiaohmudisk and the like was attempt to cure hald failures MinceRJul 09 17:41
cubexyzif you want a simple linux to play around with on old old hardware then give bl3 a tryJul 09 17:41
MinceR"Gentoo folks, this is your wakeup call." -- as the asshole in the show-window said.Jul 09 17:41
oiaohmMostly udisk and the like have worked.Jul 09 17:41
MinceRdoesn't seem like that to meJul 09 17:41
MinceRunless you mean "fall over and die" by "work"Jul 09 17:42
MinceRbecause udisks2 does _that_ just fineJul 09 17:42
oiaohmMinceR: did you not notice the typo on the man page.Jul 09 17:42
oiaohm Yep /usr/sbin/hald --daemon=no --verbose=yes  is the correct command to attempt to make sure hald is dead.Jul 09 17:43
cubexyzI'm still learning about KDE 3.5.10 stuffJul 09 17:43
MinceRthe -- having extra line breaks?Jul 09 17:43
MinceRi assumed that was some processing errorJul 09 17:43
MinceRspecific to *roff syntax or whateverJul 09 17:43
oiaohmMinceR: that typo is in the offical man page.Jul 09 17:44
MinceR(i don't know *roff that well)Jul 09 17:44
oiaohmMinceR: sourceJul 09 17:44
oiaohmMinceR:  never been fixed in 12+ yearsJul 09 17:44
MinceRredhat fixes that by not writing documentationJul 09 17:44
oiaohmIn fact 20+ yearsJul 09 17:44
cubexyzhave you guys done any dbus programming?Jul 09 17:44
MinceR(or documentation of any worth)Jul 09 17:44
MinceRcubexyz: i've attempted to send dbus messages from the command lineJul 09 17:44
MinceRit made me miss dcop.Jul 09 17:44
oiaohmcubexyz: Yes I have.   I hate most of the current dbus libraries.Jul 09 17:44
MinceR(it was probably for a shell script)Jul 09 17:46
oiaohmMinceR: there is something even more creative about hald that makes you hate it more.Jul 09 17:46
oiaohmthis  /usr/sbin/hald --daemon=no --verbose=yes in fact accept application requests.Jul 09 17:46
oiaohmSo any application that talks to the hald while you are testing can get massively upset and crash because it has existed.Jul 09 17:47
cubexyzand no one writes nroff man pages, may as well mention that :)Jul 09 17:47
cubexyzlazy bastardsJul 09 17:47
MinceRoiaohm: you mean 'exited'?Jul 09 17:47
oiaohmMinceR: since you set no daemon it going to quit.Jul 09 17:48
MinceRdbus reimplemented that flawJul 09 17:48
MinceRi thought daemon=no simply means it remains attached to the terminal you run it fromJul 09 17:48
MinceR(or avoids forking if your service manager works better that way)Jul 09 17:49
oiaohmMinceR: on most other things you are correct.Jul 09 17:49
oiaohmMinceR: hald made it also equal quitJul 09 17:49
oiaohmJust to be super fun.Jul 09 17:49
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cubexyzI think my slackware box still has haldJul 09 17:50
cubexyzdidn't the other linuxes deprecate hald?Jul 09 17:50
oiaohmcubexyz: you use to require hald so X11 server would run.Jul 09 17:51
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oiaohmcubexyz: hald is nuked by udev and upower, udisk and so on.Jul 09 17:52
oiaohmcubexyz: you can choose to still install hald for backwards compadiblity.Jul 09 17:52
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schestowitzhttp://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2015/07/last-lifeline-from-microsoft-to-soon-to-end-lumia-handset-unit-7800-more-jobs-lost-and-76b-written-o.htmlJul 10 00:42
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schestowitzsee also commentsJul 10 00:42
schestowitzLars Noodén wrote on 09/07/15 20:24:Jul 10 00:44
schestowitz> https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150705/18174231556/spain-government-goes-full-police-state-enacts-law-forbidding-dissent-unauthorized-photography-law-enforcement.shtmlJul 10 00:44
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schestowitz>Jul 10 00:44
schestowitz> see also the long thread in misc@Jul 10 00:44
schestowitzWrong link?Jul 10 00:44
schestowitzhttps://soylentnews.org/breakingnews/article.pl?sid=15/07/08/1840235Jul 10 00:45
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schestowitzhttps://2015.eurobsdcon.org/talks/Jul 10 00:46
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__martin__MinceR: http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NSA-KDBUS-CredentialsJul 10 15:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-phoronix.com | The NSA Is Looking At Systemd's KDBUS - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/n33th ]Jul 10 15:16
__martin__anyways, from that ubuntu -> devuan distro hopping; i've ended up at devuan -> steamos for a while and most recently switched to oma aka openmandrivaJul 10 15:17
MinceRnsa's dream, a backdoor in the kernelJul 10 15:18
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oiaohmhttp://newsoffice.mit.edu/2015/computer-program-fixes-old-code-faster-than-expert-engineers-0609  This is becoming no more secretsJul 10 15:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-newsoffice.mit.edu | Computer program fixes old code faster than expert engineers | MIT News [ http://ur1.ca/n340y ]Jul 10 15:43
MinceRso does mineJul 10 15:45
MinceRsudo apt-get remove systemdJul 10 15:45
oiaohmMinceR: did you know not being able to use keyboard in boot to control fsck and the like is common in any sysvinit fork to allow parallel booting.Jul 10 15:49
MinceRyet another reason to not do parallel bootingJul 10 15:50
oiaohmBut it double sided.Jul 10 15:51
oiaohmparallel booting from performance point of view make sense.Jul 10 15:52
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MinceRexcept if your computer does not run windows and as such you rarely reboot it, it doesn't make any senseJul 10 15:52
MinceRespecially if it makes booting less reliableJul 10 15:52
MinceRof course it's still an attractive target to ricersJul 10 15:53
oiaohmThere is a catch here.Jul 10 15:53
oiaohmMost Linux distrobution default has been a percentage parallelJul 10 15:53
oiaohmSince the year 2000Jul 10 15:53
oiaohmThis is where the arguement against it comes it bits MinceRJul 10 15:53
oiaohmQuestion is ammount and howJul 10 15:54
oiaohmSome thing startting parallel with each other is not a issueJul 10 15:54
MinceRyeah, race conditions are not an issueJul 10 15:54
MinceRwhy would anyone think they are?Jul 10 15:54
MinceRalso, "most Linux distributions do it" is not a good reasonJul 10 15:55
oiaohmNot all parrell boot solutions suffer from race conditions.Jul 10 15:55
MinceRespecially since the migration to lendowsJul 10 15:55
oiaohmMinceR: BSD implements parrell 1996Jul 10 15:55
oiaohmBefore even NT did it.Jul 10 15:55
MinceRopenrc lets you turn it off, so if it fails, you can try againJul 10 15:55
oiaohmMinceR: see there is the feature you want.Jul 10 15:56
oiaohmNot that systemd has parrell but the option to disable it in case if usse.Jul 10 15:56
oiaohmusse/issueJul 10 15:56
oiaohmMinceR: basically parallel booting is not the problem.  The controls on parallel booting are the problem.Jul 10 15:57
__martin__lel, dat davinci surveillance suite from "the hacking team" leveraged even 0day within selinux... as the news flowJul 10 15:57
__martin__(apart from a dopeee fla$h)Jul 10 15:58
oiaohmMinceR: Like I know ways with systemd to make it not start any sevices until the fsck is compete by setting wants on the mounts at particular points.Jul 10 15:58
MinceRoiaohm: still, there are use cases where reducing reliability for the sake of saving a few seconds on boot (which rarely happens) is not a good tradeoffJul 10 15:59
MinceRyeah, my favorite way of doing that is replacing systemd with an init system (and userland) that actually worksJul 10 15:59
oiaohmMinceR: we have multi core processes these days.Jul 10 16:00
oiaohmIt not about reducing relaiblity.Jul 10 16:01
oiaohmHistory parrell booting of stuff does not cause that as long as correct locking design is in place.Jul 10 16:01
MinceRmost of our services don't depend on thatJul 10 16:01
MinceRspecial case solutions belong to special casesJul 10 16:01
oiaohmMost services are single threaded in the start up.Jul 10 16:02
oiaohmSo starting 3 to 4 at a time that are not overlapping with each other is no problem.Jul 10 16:02
MinceRunless one of them depends on anotherJul 10 16:02
oiaohmEven starting a few 100 at  a time.Jul 10 16:02
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oiaohmMinceR: even starting single booting if you start them in the wrong order you have dependancy failure.Jul 10 16:02
MinceRyeah, but there's only one order you'll useJul 10 16:03
MinceRso one booting is sufficient to figure out if it worksJul 10 16:03
MinceRif you add lots of possibilities for race conditions, suddenly testing takes up more time than you would save.Jul 10 16:03
oiaohmEver wondered why openrc and systemd support full container wrapping of services.Jul 10 16:04
oiaohmThere is a very pracitcal reason to prevent a lot of possible race condition issues.Jul 10 16:04
oiaohmAlso you have to remember once the service is started it has to be running parrall to the other services anyhow.Jul 10 16:05
oiaohmMinceR: ever head of /tmp directory collisions/exploits.Jul 10 16:06
oiaohmhead/heardJul 10 16:06
MinceRever heard of mkstemp?Jul 10 16:06
MinceRonce the service is successfully started, its prerequisites were already metJul 10 16:07
oiaohmhttp://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man3/mkstemp.3.html  has a bugJul 10 16:08
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oiaohmNotice 6 char limit MinceRJul 10 16:08
oiaohmMinceR: service successfully started question how does sysvinit like systems know that.Jul 10 16:10
MinceRyeah, that's so easy to exploitJul 10 16:10
MinceRespecially if you unlink the file right after opening itJul 10 16:10
oiaohmMinceR: there is a Linux way to create the temp file unlinkedJul 10 16:11
oiaohmIts not the mkstemp command.Jul 10 16:11
oiaohmMinceR: please also note unlink after opening gives the window for some to to race condition it.   If they open the file before you unlink it the file can be blocked from unlinking.Jul 10 16:15
oiaohmMinceR: http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/tmp_paper.txt  <<Attacking a system by the /tmp directory is nothing new.Jul 10 16:19
MinceRneither is attacking a system by forcing it to use systemd.Jul 10 16:19
oiaohmcgroup/jails/zones file system limitations is a very effective method if limiting the attack.Jul 10 16:19
oiaohmMinceR: the issue is you are head in sand.Jul 10 16:20
oiaohmThe problem why systemd is being pushed by redhat so hard is a long list of problems.Jul 10 16:20
oiaohmOk openrc at least can address a good percentage of them.Jul 10 16:20
oiaohmBut a lot of stuff people says let us keep this is in fact broken crap.Jul 10 16:21
MinceRyes, i amJul 10 16:21
MinceRbecause systemd is flawlessJul 10 16:21
oiaohmSo of course Redhat will not take anyone serousally who pushes the idea of going back to broken crap.Jul 10 16:21
MinceRof course, redcrap is pushing switching to broken crapJul 10 16:22
oiaohmIf you argue for the usage of openrcJul 10 16:22
MinceRwhich is "forward" for youJul 10 16:22
oiaohmand accept that cgroups and other tech has to come.Jul 10 16:22
MinceRnone of that tech requires a hairball in pid1Jul 10 16:22
MinceRnone of that tech requires extreme lock-inJul 10 16:22
MinceRnone of that tech requires undocumented spaghetti codeJul 10 16:22
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MinceRso redcrap can go and stuff their evil crap where the sun doesn't shine.Jul 10 16:23
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oiaohmUndocumented spagehetti code is in fact found in sysvinit system.Jul 10 16:23
oiaohmStrange breakages of that stuff is what lead to systemd having unit files.Jul 10 16:23
MinceRunit files are brokenJul 10 16:24
MinceRa typo can make the new version of a unit file be silently ignored by systemdJul 10 16:25
MinceRat least shell parsers are pretty mature by nowJul 10 16:25
MinceRsystemd will never be mature.Jul 10 16:25
oiaohmMinceR: a typo in a sysvinit script can in fact render the computer not bootable at times.Jul 10 16:25
MinceRoiaohm: systemd does not need a typo anywhere to render the computer unbootable.Jul 10 16:26
oiaohmSorry scale of bad here.Jul 10 16:26
oiaohmUnit files failures being silent is a problem.Jul 10 16:26
MinceRit is a problem among thousands.Jul 10 16:26
MinceRsystemd is a can of worms.Jul 10 16:27
oiaohmsysvinit systems are also a can of wormsJul 10 16:27
MinceRsysvinit can be replaced. systemd cannot.Jul 10 16:27
oiaohmExactly why do you keep on saying that bogus.Jul 10 16:27
oiaohmsystemd can be replacedJul 10 16:27
MinceRredcrap made sure to put dependencies on systemd everywhereJul 10 16:28
MinceRspecifically to make it as difficult to replace as possible.Jul 10 16:28
MinceRredcrap is using microsoftian tactics to take over our computers.Jul 10 16:28
oiaohmNot really that difficualt to swap systemd in and out of a system.Jul 10 16:28
MinceRand there's a large cult following who also put dependencies wherever they canJul 10 16:29
MinceRlike kdeJul 10 16:29
oiaohmKDE does not have any solid lock on systemd at this stage.Jul 10 16:29
MinceRthey've announced to add it in augustJul 10 16:29
MinceRparts of that cult are working to destroy the bsd-s as well.Jul 10 16:29
oiaohmThe only thing out of systemd that kinda haves a solid lock is logind but that has clones.Jul 10 16:29
MinceRno, that's not the only thingJul 10 16:30
oiaohmYou did not read the announcement fully did you MinceRJul 10 16:30
MinceRi didJul 10 16:30
oiaohmPull up that KDE annonuncement and re read it.Jul 10 16:30
oiaohmIt only means logind.Jul 10 16:30
oiaohmOther systemd parts are optional and will remain that way.Jul 10 16:30
MinceRsureJul 10 16:31
MinceRthey'll call them "optional"Jul 10 16:31
MinceRand their code will deliberately break (even worse than usual) if those "optional" parts are missingJul 10 16:31
oiaohmfact that consolekit2 has logind this means the new kde will work with sysvinit as long as distrobution has updated there consolekitJul 10 16:31
MinceRalso, journald is not "optional"Jul 10 16:31
MinceRit takes over your log entries whether you want it or not.Jul 10 16:31
oiaohmFunny did you not read the manual that you can point journald conf file to /dev/null then systemd runs old syslog solution.Jul 10 16:34
oiaohmMinceR:  this is the problem.Jul 10 16:34
oiaohmA lot of claims about systemd are bogus.Jul 10 16:34
MinceRyeah, poettering claims that the claims are bogusJul 10 16:34
MinceRand while systemd apologists go around claiming that systemd is flawless, it fucks up production systems routinely.Jul 10 16:35
MinceRand you know, i'd have no problem with this if they didn't use all the leverage they could get to force their malware on me.Jul 10 16:35
MinceRthey have the right to write malicious crap codeJul 10 16:35
MinceRthey don't have the right to force people to run it.Jul 10 16:36
oiaohmReally I understand the force.Jul 10 16:36
MinceRof courseJul 10 16:36
MinceRredcrap thinks this is good businessJul 10 16:36
oiaohmWe have had 20 years + of a particular set of issues being ingoredJul 10 16:36
oiaohmNoJul 10 16:36
MinceRkill the competition or make their clients depend on redcrap support contractsJul 10 16:36
oiaohmIts not exactly good for business.Jul 10 16:36
oiaohmRedhat attempted to avoid making systemd in the first place.Jul 10 16:36
MinceRthey don't seem to realize that.Jul 10 16:36
MinceRthe funny thing will be once redcrap eliminates all competition, m$ will revoke their uefi certificateJul 10 16:37
MinceRand then redcrap will die too.Jul 10 16:37
oiaohmThe thing you keep on missing is where every redhat wants lockin it closed source.Jul 10 16:39
oiaohmOr restricted supply.Jul 10 16:39
MinceRyou seem to miss the fact that systemd is designed for nonfree replacements.Jul 10 16:39
MinceRit's licensed under LGPL 2.1Jul 10 16:39
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MinceRand it uses dbus interfaces heavilyJul 10 16:39
oiaohmRedhat is basically sick of the support issues sysvinit was.Jul 10 16:39
MinceRit's trivial to move dbus services to nonfree blobs.Jul 10 16:39
MinceRthen they're welcome to close shop.Jul 10 16:39
oiaohmMinceR: look up what other init systems were licensed under.Jul 10 16:40
MinceRnobody needs them to try and kill unix.Jul 10 16:40
MinceRexcept microsoftJul 10 16:40
oiaohmLGPL is in fact one of the most restrictive llicenses uses on a init system.Jul 10 16:40
oiaohmMost are BSD or worseJul 10 16:40
MinceRoiaohm: other "init systems" did not depend on thousands of modules that did things unrelated to init.Jul 10 16:40
MinceRother "init systems" have a scope.Jul 10 16:40
MinceRsystemd has no scope.Jul 10 16:40
oiaohmscope complaint is valid.Jul 10 16:40
MinceReven poettering is unable to define what systemd is intended to be.Jul 10 16:40
oiaohmLicense complaint really not.Jul 10 16:41
MinceRit's just like cancer: it's trying to take over everythingJul 10 16:41
MinceRreally, the license is unnecessary as they can simply exploit dbus.Jul 10 16:41
oiaohmMinceR: remember you cannot be too restrictive in a init system licesing.Jul 10 16:41
MinceRwhy not?Jul 10 16:41
oiaohmA pure GPL licensed init system kinda would be a bugger for likes of openssh that are not GPL.Jul 10 16:42
oiaohmReally LGPL is about as tight as you can go.  Ok GPL with a exception clause.Jul 10 16:43
MinceRhow is openssh linked to the init system?Jul 10 16:43
oiaohmMinceR: its init scripts to register itself.Jul 10 16:43
oiaohmToo viral of license becomes a problem.Jul 10 16:44
MinceRinit scripts are executed, afaik that does not cause any obligations regarding GPL.Jul 10 16:44
oiaohmThat is wrong under sysvinit if it was GPL.Jul 10 16:44
MinceRif they want to do dependency handling, they'll also read comments in init scripts, that also doesn't cause any obligationsJul 10 16:44
oiaohmBecuase you have the functions common script.Jul 10 16:44
oiaohmThat you import and use.Jul 10 16:44
MinceRstrange, i thought sysvinit on debian was attacked exactly because it didn't use such a scriptJul 10 16:45
MinceRwhile at least one bsd did (and as a result, had far shorter init scripts, typically shorter than a unit file)Jul 10 16:45
MinceRit's funny how systemd fanboys cherry-pick their "facts" to support their favorite malwareJul 10 16:45
MinceR(maybe second favorite, after windows)Jul 10 16:46
oiaohmMinceR: debian renamed it but the beast still exists . /lib/lsb/init-functions  Jul 10 16:46
MinceReven so, they can get away with licensing that file differentlyJul 10 16:47
oiaohmMinceR: please note that just the most common embeddedJul 10 16:47
oiaohmBut its not the only case of a fragement of sysvinit base being embeded into a script.Jul 10 16:48
oiaohmSo if you are sticking to script based the licensing you can go to is kinda restricted to something not to bad viral or solutions will not be able to customise it.Jul 10 16:49
oiaohmThis is why complaining about LGPL on systemd does not make much sense.Jul 10 16:50
oiaohmAnything more than LGPL and it starts becoming unworkable.Jul 10 16:50
MinceRit makes sense in the context of how the FSF supports systemd but doesn't support the LLVM debugger in emacsJul 10 16:50
MinceRalso, even if a service package was published with an rc script that sources a script that comes with an init/rc system, they can license their init/rc script differentlyJul 10 16:51
oiaohmNow if you were naming particular parts of systemd that should be broken out to be made independant projects under more restrictive you might have an agurement.Jul 10 16:52
MinceRalso, you brought up openssh, which is published under a BSD license without advertising clauseJul 10 16:52
MinceRtherefore it's already compatible with GPL.Jul 10 16:52
MinceRthere is plenty of functionality in systemd that belongs in independent projects.Jul 10 16:52
MinceRunfortunately, they tend to throw in even more unrelated functionality thereJul 10 16:53
oiaohmMinceR: but if you bundling a part that contains some GPL code that infects the BSD work.  If it was LGPL code the result is not a hazard.Jul 10 16:53
MinceRthey assimilated udev, then they assimilated gummiboot, and who knows what else.Jul 10 16:53
oiaohmthe License problem is packagingJul 10 16:53
MinceRoiaohm: how does it "infect" the BSD work?Jul 10 16:53
oiaohmMinceR: GPL is infecting to what it shipping with.  So a init script with some GPL code in by mistake shipped in BSD project archive we have a problem.Jul 10 16:54
oiaohmLGPL is not viral that way.Jul 10 16:54
MinceRwhy would a BSD project ship the code it sources?Jul 10 16:55
oiaohmMinceR: init script code the file it needs to regisger into the init.   Like they based off the init systems example.Jul 10 16:55
MinceRthat doesn't explain anythingJul 10 16:55
oiaohmfor a service to start by a init system MinceR it need to register with the init system rightJul 10 16:56
MinceRto do so its rc script will source a file from the init/rc systemJul 10 16:56
oiaohmWhere you get your template file from to make that registration bit can become toxic if the license is too restrictive.Jul 10 16:56
MinceRthe rc script of the project is GPL-compatible BSDLJul 10 16:57
MinceRthe sourced script is GPLJul 10 16:57
MinceRwhere's the problem?Jul 10 16:57
oiaohmBSD is compadible to be put in GPL.Jul 10 16:57
MinceRalso, since when does it matter in the case of systemd, which doesn't use shell scripts?Jul 10 16:57
oiaohmBut GPL is not compadible to be put in BSDJul 10 16:57
oiaohmIts one way compadiblity MinceRJul 10 16:57
MinceRit's not "put in BSD", it's not part of the BSDL-ed projectJul 10 16:58
MinceRif it's a problem, anyone can relicense the BSDL-ed init/rc script under GPLJul 10 16:58
oiaohmsystemd uses Unit files and it has example unit files right MinceRJul 10 16:58
oiaohmsysvinit has examples as well right.Jul 10 16:58
oiaohmremember those examples are under the project main license.Jul 10 16:58
MinceRso, writing your own unit/rc file infringes on the examples?Jul 10 16:59
MinceRi wonder what court would accept such an argumentJul 10 16:59
oiaohmNot exactly writing own.  Instead of writing your own you take a template one and modify it.Jul 10 16:59
oiaohmProblem is this issue has held up in court in the past for basic copyright infrignement.Jul 10 17:00
oiaohmOn word templates and the like.Jul 10 17:00
MinceRi don't have to take a template and modify itJul 10 17:00
MinceRalso, it makes sense to license the templates differently if this is a problem.Jul 10 17:00
MinceRalso, again, this doesn't apply to the spaghetti code written in cJul 10 17:01
MinceRas that is not incorporated in or linked to unit filesJul 10 17:01
oiaohmMinceR: for a safety case template files have to be licensed under LGPL or weaker.Jul 10 17:01
oiaohmIe no viral cause.Jul 10 17:01
MinceRc source code is not "template files"Jul 10 17:01
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MinceRneither in sysvinit nor in systemd.Jul 10 17:02
oiaohmsysvinit is  very weak license on it C files.Jul 10 17:02
MinceRso redcrap still has no excuse for making extra provisions to allow for nonfree code to be linked to systemd.Jul 10 17:02
MinceRsysvinit also doesn't try to force your hand via lock-in, unlike systemd.Jul 10 17:02
oiaohmsysvinit you can take it core init source and make a closed binary and never show anyone the source code.Jul 10 17:03
MinceRsysvinit is easy to swap out for another init system, which has been done in many cases.Jul 10 17:03
oiaohmNonfree code exactly where.Jul 10 17:04
oiaohmmost init systems support non free code connections MinceRJul 10 17:04
MinceRyou'll find out once redcrap manages to kill its competitors.Jul 10 17:04
MinceRyou walk right into their trap and invite others to follow.Jul 10 17:04
oiaohmAny new init system like upstart openrc..... you could attempt to make the arguement about allowing nonfree code to be linkedJul 10 17:05
oiaohmEven the bsd init you could make that arguement MinceRJul 10 17:05
MinceRno other "init system" tries to add as much crap as possibleJul 10 17:06
oiaohmSystemd doing too much that is a valid arguement.Jul 10 17:06
oiaohmAllowing closed source link in since all open source init systems allow this that is nothing to complain about.Jul 10 17:07
MinceRsystemd doing too much _and_ being designed to be replaced with nonfree code is even worse.Jul 10 17:07
MinceR(not that its current code lends itself particularly well to modification)Jul 10 17:08
oiaohmMinceR: but all current init systems are design to allow nonfree code replacment of parts.Jul 10 17:09
MinceRoiaohm: most current init systems aren't designed for nonfree extensions, their scope being pretty limited.Jul 10 17:10
oiaohmMinceR: I forgot there is 1 exception.Jul 10 17:10
oiaohmOnly open source init system that is under a license that prevents non free usage is https://www.gnu.org/software/dmd/Jul 10 17:11
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oiaohmAnd it fairly much a brick.Jul 10 17:11
MinceRand the FSF seems to be abandoning itJul 10 17:11
MinceRsince they decided that they prefer Gratis Windows to Free SoftwareJul 10 17:11
MinceRmaybe they should rename themselves to GWF.Jul 10 17:12
oiaohmMinceR: the thing you have missed is like networkmanager and the like you think about how many parts inside sysvinit that have been replaced.Jul 10 17:13
oiaohmOk sysvinit was out a glued up single project.Jul 10 17:13
oiaohmIf systemd broke up in some ways it would be better.Jul 10 17:14
oiaohmBroken up would allow better licensing assignment for it parts.Jul 10 17:14
MinceRyeah, networkmanager sucks tooJul 10 17:14
oiaohmIe some parts should be LGPL or lower and some sould be GPL Jul 10 17:15
MinceRyou can use different licenses even on files hosted in the same repository.Jul 10 17:15
MinceRi suspect it was networkmanager on my server that had the brilliant idea of getting an ip address over dhcp on boot and then forgetting completely about dhcpJul 10 17:16
oiaohmThe outer license has to be the most restrictive when it comes to viral licenses.Jul 10 17:16
MinceRso even unplugging and replugging the cable wouldn't get it to get a new addressJul 10 17:16
MinceRso i had to reboot the server to make it accessible on the network.Jul 10 17:16
MinceRit's called "copyleft", not "viral"Jul 10 17:16
MinceRunless you work for microsoft, of course.Jul 10 17:16
oiaohmcopyleft covers LGPLJul 10 17:18
oiaohmviral I am refering to the likes of pure AGPL and GPLJul 10 17:18
oiaohmThe issue I have inside copyleft there are two types of licenses.   One group is safe to embed inside another license without causing major hell like LGPL and the other group GPL that is not safe to embedd.Jul 10 17:20
MinceRneither is "safe to embed", at most to link withJul 10 17:21
MinceRand iirc if you link statically, you're still obliged to include .o filesJul 10 17:21
oiaohmWeak copyleft you only have to release the parts directly connected to the license fileJul 10 17:22
oiaohmIe LGPLJul 10 17:23
oiaohmWhere GPL allows going after the complete lot as Microsoft found out with the iso downloader.Jul 10 17:23
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oiaohmMinceR: basically licensing is a pain in ass to get right.Jul 10 17:26
MinceRindeed.Jul 10 17:27
oiaohmMinceR: networkmanager losing dhcp is normally dhcp client locked up.Jul 10 17:27
oiaohmYes sysvinit lack of means to fully restart something becomes a problem in these cases.Jul 10 17:27
MinceRi wonder what restartd is for.Jul 10 17:28
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oiaohmMinceR: from memory that as a independant part is gone.Jul 10 17:29
oiaohmIt was so lower provilaged user using dbus could trigger a restart/reboot from memory.Jul 10 17:29
oiaohmYep fused into logind spec these days under session managementJul 10 17:31
MinceRi don't know what you're talking about.Jul 10 17:33
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oiaohmMinceR: ok there were two restartd.   Yes there was a systemd version.Jul 10 17:35
MinceRi wasn't aware of that oneJul 10 17:35
oiaohmhttp://man.cx/restartd%288%29   I don't like to think about the other one.Jul 10 17:36
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oiaohmIts truly do you fell lucky punk.Jul 10 17:36
MinceR:)Jul 10 17:36
oiaohmrestartd is one of the hacks to attempt to make sysvinit work that is just even more broken.Jul 10 17:37
oiaohmPOSIX regexp on the process names. << This is perfect right.Jul 10 17:38
oiaohmA service crashes a user starts a process with the same name and restartd thinks everything is perfect.Jul 10 17:38
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oiaohmMinceR: basically I want service tracking not loto like sysvinit has been.Jul 10 17:39
MinceRthen you're looking for it in the wrong place.Jul 10 17:40
oiaohmMinceR: service tracking has to start when the service starts.Jul 10 17:40
oiaohmIf it does not your screwed attempting todo it.Jul 10 17:41
MinceRif you're using systemd, you're screwed.Jul 10 17:41
oiaohmMinceR: remember openrc has service tracking.Jul 10 17:41
oiaohmI don't have to go systemd to get it.Jul 10 17:42
oiaohmBut its a bare min feature I want to see in any future init system.Jul 10 17:42
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MinceRbesides it's not like poettering's "we don't know therefore we assume yes" approach is going to help you anywayJul 10 17:44
oiaohmsystemd service tracking does work.   its just the other issues that make it more painfulJul 10 17:44
oiaohmLike not giving the right controls for parell booting.Jul 10 17:45
oiaohmMinceR: I don't exactly like systemd but I do know I can get the beast after hours and hours of reading and understanding the beast to work in most cases better than sysvinit did.Jul 10 17:46
oiaohmYet I could get the same results with openrc in about 1 hour.Jul 10 17:46
MinceRsounds like you didn't understand it as well as you thought you did.Jul 10 17:46
oiaohmNot exactly.   its the having the init tree and having to put in wants like on local filesystem so that fsck has to complete before starting services.Jul 10 17:48
oiaohmMinceR: each Linux distrobution tree with systemd is slightly different.Jul 10 17:48
MinceRredcrap will take care of that.Jul 10 17:49
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MinceRonce they release systemdnf, most distros will just be rebranded fedora.Jul 10 17:49
oiaohmMost annoying feature is you put a want in a invalid location it just disregards it without given correct reason why.Jul 10 17:49
oiaohmMinceR: http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html   did you miss reading this.Jul 10 17:57
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MinceRi've read itJul 10 17:58
oiaohmCan you see the problem.Jul 10 17:58
MinceRhe has horrible ideas even beyond systemdJul 10 17:58
MinceRi can see the problemJul 10 17:58
oiaohmMinceR: what do you think what the problem is with that idea.Jul 10 17:58
MinceRthe problem is that poettering is dealing with illusions of adequacy.Jul 10 17:58
oiaohmMinceR: forget the person.Jul 10 17:59
oiaohmEverything there works except for 1 very key thing.Jul 10 17:59
MinceRall the stupid ideas come from one person (or via one person, from places like microsoft)Jul 10 17:59
oiaohmMe running debian use to running checkrestart after updating packagesJul 10 17:59
MinceRi particularly hate the idea of moving /etc/passwd into subvolume namesJul 10 18:00
oiaohmWhy running mixed libraries old and new equals more ram consumed.Jul 10 18:00
oiaohmMinceR: what one is worse.  LDAP or subvolume names.Jul 10 18:03
oiaohm /etc/passwd has always been a on going nightmare with chroots.Jul 10 18:04
MinceRmy systems don't need LDAP for thatJul 10 18:04
oiaohmYes the /etc/passwd file has need splitting in 2 for a long time.   1 containing service required usersJul 10 18:04
MinceRbut i'm pretty sure one can do LDAP better than the subvolume name kludge.Jul 10 18:04
oiaohmOne for general users.Jul 10 18:04
oiaohmMinceR: the subvolume kludge is faster.Jul 10 18:05
MinceRyou can do that with PAM, can't you?Jul 10 18:05
MinceRoh, again the usual ricer argumentJul 10 18:05
MinceR"herp derp, it's fastah!"Jul 10 18:05
MinceRdoesn't matter if it will work, IT MUST BE FASTER!Jul 10 18:05
oiaohmAnd works better with the case of moving drives.Jul 10 18:05
MinceRdoesn't matter if it will boot, IT MUST BOOT FASTER!Jul 10 18:05
oiaohmLDAP is slower.Jul 10 18:05
oiaohmPAM for a long time has not supported loading 2 password files.Jul 10 18:06
oiaohmThe second one to load completely nukes the first.Jul 10 18:06
MinceRandroid also fakes /etc/passwd entries somehowJul 10 18:06
oiaohmAndroid does not have /etc/passwdJul 10 18:07
MinceRyupJul 10 18:07
MinceRdebian-kit even has some daemon that builds an /etc/passwd out of info from the android hostJul 10 18:08
MinceRiircJul 10 18:08
oiaohmthat it really usesJul 10 18:08
oiaohmMinceR: /data/system/user/ is where users are on android as xml files.Jul 10 18:09
oiaohmMinceR: yep android makes the subvolume kludge look nice.Jul 10 18:10
MinceRi don't think it doesJul 10 18:10
MinceRalso, you could probably patch PAM to do what you want.Jul 10 18:10
oiaohmMinceR: the idea behind the subvolume labels is that you can pull the home drive out put it in another system and end up with some form of sanity.Jul 10 18:13
MinceRit's still a bad ideaJul 10 18:13
oiaohmWorse idea is the ram issue.Jul 10 18:13
MinceRthose are not version managed, they're not likely to be backed upJul 10 18:13
MinceRand the whole "make readonly all the things!" makes security updates more cumbersomeJul 10 18:14
oiaohmmake all readonly really does not make security updates more cumbersome.Jul 10 18:15
oiaohmReality here is majority of services write very little.Jul 10 18:16
oiaohmLike how many programs in fact write to /usr/binJul 10 18:16
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MinceRthe idea to replace images with new images to do an update doesJul 10 18:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Firefox 39 Finally Lands in Ubuntu 15.04 After a Long Wait | Tux MachinesJul 10 23:00
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Wine 1.7.47 Release with Direct2D ImprovementsJul 10 23:00
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Which Linux Web Browser is Right for You?Jul 10 23:01
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Which Linux Web Browser is Right for You? | Tux MachinesJul 10 23:01
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     KDE Frameworks 5.12.0 Officially Released withJul 10 23:41
TweetTuxMachines                 Lots of Fixes and New FeaturesJul 10 23:41
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/WEI3BWDqlC (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 10 23:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Frameworks 5.12.0 Officially Released with Lots of Fixes and New Features | Tux MachinesJul 10 23:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The NSA Is Looking At Systemd KDBUSJul 10 23:41
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/YjMhonqssb (www.phoronix.com)Jul 10 23:41
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Open-Source AMD/NVIDIA GPU Tests On Linux 4.1 +Jul 10 23:41
TweetTuxMachines                 Mesa 10.7-dev http://t.co/KzsXXWc023Jul 10 23:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Open-Source AMD/NVIDIA GPU Tests On Linux 4.1 + Mesa 10.7-dev - PhoronixJul 10 23:41
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Purism Librem 13 Review http://t.co/qLaze7OLC6Jul 10 23:43
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Wine 1.7.47 Release with Direct2D ImprovementsJul 10 23:43
TweetTuxMachines                 and More Gaming Fixes http://t.co/HGUJGnwQIkJul 10 23:43
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     KDE Frameworks 5.12.0 Officially Released withJul 10 23:44
TweetTuxMachines                 Lots of Fixes and New FeaturesJul 10 23:44
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Which Linux Web Browser is Right for You?Jul 10 23:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com | Which Linux Web Browser is Right for You? | Linux.comJul 10 23:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Core Linux tools top list of most at-riskJul 10 23:47
TweetTuxMachines                 software http://t.co/o7uWxlkblAJul 10 23:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infoworld.com | Core Linux tools top list of most at-risk software | InfoWorldJul 10 23:47
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Box computer and Pico-ITX SBC pack i.MX6Jul 10 23:47
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/NfGFZwJidR (linuxgizmos.com)Jul 10 23:47
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Purism Librem 13 Review http://t.co/NpT0ySrYG6Jul 11 00:06
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Open-Source AMD/NVIDIA GPU Tests On Linux 4.1 +Jul 11 00:06
TweetTuxMachines                 Mesa 10.7-dev http://t.co/vahpZI05RmJul 11 00:06
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The NSA Is Looking At Systemd's KDBUSJul 11 00:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The NSA Is Looking At Systemd's KDBUS | Tux MachinesJul 11 00:06
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/georgebaily/status/619646366151745536Jul 11 00:18
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     OpenELEC Linux media player includes broadcastJul 11 01:42
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OpenELEC Linux media player includes broadcast TV tuner | Tux MachinesJul 11 01:42
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Richard Stallman 'basically' has no problemJul 11 03:18
TweetTuxMachines                 with the NSA using GNU/LinuxJul 11 03:18
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/f1ZrrBFjj0 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 11 03:18
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n391iJul 11 03:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Richard Stallman 'basically' has no problem with the NSA using GNU/Linux | Tux MachinesJul 11 03:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     French Government IT directorate stands itsJul 11 03:18
TweetTuxMachines                 ground : ODF supported, OOXML rejectedJul 11 03:18
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/qVCIObBuN9 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 11 03:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | French Government IT directorate stands its ground : ODF supported, OOXML rejected | Tux MachinesJul 11 03:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Open source licensing at GitHubJul 11 03:18
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/g38sTqkpbn (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 11 03:18
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oiaohmhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NSA-KDBUS-Credentials   It is interesting to see the differnet parties that come out the wood work.Jul 11 05:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | The NSA Is Looking At Systemd's KDBUS - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/n3a35 ]Jul 11 05:47
TweetTuxMachines@RamiSilawi      RT @tuxmachines: Richard Stallman 'basically'Jul 11 06:35
TweetTuxMachines                 has no problem with the NSA using GNU/Linux !!!Jul 11 06:35
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/yBl081gzK5 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 11 06:35
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n3advJul 11 06:35
TweetTuxMachines@RamiSilawi      RT @tuxmachines: Richard Stallman 'basically'Jul 11 06:35
TweetTuxMachines                 has no problem with the NSA using GNU/Linux !!!Jul 11 06:35
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/C3G2otmxgP (linkis.com)Jul 11 06:35
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cubexyzthumbs down once again to the media that can't acknowlegdge the existance of anything beyond Windows and MacJul 11 12:17
cubexyzsociety of waste:Jul 11 12:27
cubexyzhttp://upstreampolicy.org/issues/our-throw-away-society/Jul 11 12:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-upstreampolicy.org | Our Throw-Away Society | Upstream [ http://ur1.ca/n3ca7 ]Jul 11 12:28
oiaohmcubexyz: Its not that simpleJul 11 12:41
oiaohmcubexyz: some of the older computer hardware had lot shorter operational live due to running at clockspeeds higher than the hardware could cope with long term.Jul 11 12:43
oiaohmAlso more and more is designed as a single part.   So single failure that is it.Jul 11 12:43
cubexyzthe older stuff is more repairableJul 11 12:53
cubexyzalso has a lot less integrationJul 11 12:53
cubexyzindeed, I'm an "old" computer advocateJul 11 12:53
cubexyzold being P3 area, which really isn't that oldJul 11 12:54
cubexyzs/area/era/Jul 11 12:54
cubexyzsome folks are even fixing very old LCD displays using heat gunsJul 11 12:54
cubexyzcertainly we can vastly improve the current poor situationJul 11 12:55
cubexyzI would tell people not to overclockJul 11 12:56
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/computer-longevity.txtJul 11 12:57
cubexyzI admit I only use the amiga once a monthJul 11 12:57
cubexyzthis is the Dell GX110 I'm typing on nowJul 11 12:58
cubexyzso 14 year old computer, just fine for web browsing and IRCJul 11 12:58
cubexyzdoesn't get very hot == good longevityJul 11 12:59
cubexyzok, since the vic-20 is 1981 we know that chips can last over 30 yearsJul 11 13:00
cubexyzso we'll see how long the P3 stuff can last... I'm guessing it can go another 10 years without a problemJul 11 13:01
oiaohmcubexyz: yep general rule of silcon the cooler it runs the longer it lasts.Jul 11 13:02
cubexyzthe manufacturers are ridiculous... they suggest replacement every 3 or 4 yearsJul 11 13:03
cubexyzwell, that's great for the manufacturer but crappy for the userJul 11 13:03
cubexyzalso wrong -> LCD's last up to 10 yearsJul 11 13:06
cubexyzthe truth is no one really knows Jul 11 13:06
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cubexyzone year = 8800 hoursJul 11 13:09
cubexyzbut it's not on all the timeJul 11 13:09
oiaohmLCD do have a mechnical life.Jul 11 13:15
oiaohmcubexyz: correct color is a factor most LCD screen lose correct color by about 7 years old.Jul 11 13:16
oiaohmcubexyz: basically double the life that people are being told.Jul 11 13:16
cubexyzsome of those 1970s LCD watches still workJul 11 13:18
cubexyzMicroma I think was the first oneJul 11 13:19
oiaohmcubexyz: that is black and white.Jul 11 13:21
cubexyzsureJul 11 13:21
oiaohmcubexyz: it LCD screens doing shades of grey or shades of colorJul 11 13:22
oiaohmThat have problems of a mechnical failure to make the differences in color they should with age.Jul 11 13:22
oiaohmBut that is 7 to 8 years old before that happens.Jul 11 13:23
cubexyzI don't suppose they ever made an LCD display for computers that was just on or offJul 11 13:23
oiaohmYes they did.Jul 11 13:23
oiaohmSome of the really early screens were black or while nothing in the middle.Jul 11 13:24
cubexyzI remember those laptops with tiny displaysJul 11 13:24
cubexyz80x16 textJul 11 13:24
cubexyzTRS-80 Model 100 might be an example actuallyJul 11 13:25
cubexyzso dot-matrix but no grey shadesJul 11 13:25
oiaohmcubexyz: you still buy  Monochrome Displays for medical control interfaces.Jul 11 13:26
gde33they are very nice to look atJul 11 13:27
oiaohmYes 15,19 and 21 inch LCD Monochrome is still around cubexyzJul 11 13:27
gde33why are we not printing books with 28 inch pages?Jul 11 13:27
oiaohmYou do have to be careful not to Mix a LCD Monochrome up with a LCD greyscale in medical devices.Jul 11 13:28
cubexyzoiaohm, do you think I could run X on one of those?Jul 11 13:28
cubexyzmight be an interesting experiment to see if they last a long timeJul 11 13:28
cubexyzmaybe even run a framebuffer on oneJul 11 13:29
oiaohmcubexyz: you can run X on monochrome the question is with your wm choice and application choice like it.Jul 11 13:29
oiaohmgde33 human has to carry a book.  Its the same reason why a 10inch tablet is not that popular.Jul 11 13:31
cubexyzoiaohm, one of those old monochrome LCD displays, I figure it would have used less power then the current colour LCDs?Jul 11 13:32
cubexyzthose old TRS-80 Model 100's lasted a long time on one batteryJul 11 13:33
oiaohmcubexyz: grayscale are simple to get.  http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/3Mp-21-inch-2048x1536-LCD-screen_60146345449.htmlJul 11 13:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.alibaba.com | 3mp 21-inch 2048x1536 Lcd Screen Monochrome Monitor,Ce,Fda Approved,1.5t Mri - Buy Medical Equipment,Led Monitor,Medical Monitor Product on Alibaba.com [ http://ur1.ca/n3crv ]Jul 11 13:35
gde33oiaohm: scrolls are awesome tho :DJul 11 13:37
oiaohmcubexyz: pure monochrome are hard to find.  Why it such a issue when you mix them up.Jul 11 13:37
oiaohmcubexyz: ie a pure monochrome output medical device works with a grayscale monitor.Jul 11 13:38
oiaohmcubexyz: but a greyscale output medical device is screwed if you give it a pure monochrome screen.Jul 11 13:38
cubexyzoiaohm, I was thinking serial terminal with monochrome LCDJul 11 13:38
cubexyzif such a thing existsJul 11 13:38
cubexyzor even usb terminalJul 11 13:40
oiaohmcubexyz: most are that is DVI-D so in theory add a rasbery pi.Jul 11 13:40
oiaohmColored screens are annoying more often cheaper than monochrome/greyscale screensJul 11 13:41
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cubexyzthere's tons of small LCDsJul 11 13:52
cubexyz320x240Jul 11 13:52
oiaohmcubexyz: kernel loging is 80 chars.Jul 11 13:54
oiaohmcubexyz: or what its optimised for.Jul 11 13:54
cubexyzthere's USB 2.0 monitorsJul 11 13:58
cubexyz1366x768 displayJul 11 13:59
cubexyzlightweight and portableJul 11 13:59
cubexyzmaybe I can rig up some sort of noveau usb terminalJul 11 14:02
MinceR:)Jul 11 14:07
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/bigonbe/status/619782977632010240Jul 11 15:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bigonbe: @schestowitz The code is open source, anybody can search vulnerabilities in any components. And most will not post in public ML asking QJul 11 15:24
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ArgosHelpers/status/619813818022129664Jul 11 15:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ArgosHelpers: @schestowitz That's fine I'll get the feedback passed onto the store.Again apologies for the wait you had. RyanJul 11 15:24
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     OpenELEC Linux media player includes broadcastJul 11 18:56
TweetTuxMachines                 TV tuner http://t.co/QPDLNT8FIcJul 11 18:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | OpenELEC Linux media player includes broadcast TV tuner ·  LinuxGizmos.comJul 11 18:56
TweetTuxMachines                 (linuxgizmos.com)Jul 11 18:56
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n3fd8Jul 11 18:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     RMS ‘basically’ has no problem with NSA usingJul 11 18:56
TweetTuxMachines                 GNU/Linux http://t.co/OkPUp0gO65Jul 11 18:56
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.itworld.com) ‘a program must not restrictJul 11 18:56
TweetTuxMachines                 what jobs its users do with it’Jul 11 18:56
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n3fd9Jul 11 18:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com | Richard Stallman 'basically' has no problem with the NSA using GNU/Linux | ITworldJul 11 18:56
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/thewtfmagazine/status/619879715189358592  https://twitter.com/LisbethIsAlive/status/619867255581622272Jul 11 19:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@thewtfmagazine: @stonemirror @grouchosharx You're a stalker, Lefty http://t.co/SkZDkjsB3hJul 11 19:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Richard Stallman and Bruce Perens Defamed by Troll | TechrightsJul 11 19:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@LisbethIsAlive: @Cybertario Roy Schestowitz de Techrights y el propio Stallman han criticado duramente a Red Hat por su vinculación con la NSA.Jul 11 19:27
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/thewtfmagazine/status/619674296286195712Jul 11 19:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@thewtfmagazine: @stonemirror @Amantisme WELL-STALKED, LEFTY!! XD http://t.co/SkZDkjsB3hJul 11 19:28
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Review bq Aquaris E5 - Ubuntu EditionJul 11 19:45
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/tfbgF6uFPB (svij.org)Jul 11 19:45
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n3frzJul 11 19:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-svij.org | Review bq Aquaris E5 - Ubuntu EditionJul 11 19:45
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Review bq Aquaris E5 - Ubuntu EditionJul 11 19:45
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/NBAmxQEHMj (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 11 19:45
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n3fs0Jul 11 19:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Review bq Aquaris E5 - Ubuntu Edition | Tux MachinesJul 11 19:45
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tin Hats Ready, RMS No Problems Linux Used forJul 11 19:46
TweetTuxMachines                 Evil http://t.co/3Io54hd39vJul 11 19:46
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 11 19:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tin Hats Ready, RMS No Problems Linux Used for Evil | Tux MachinesJul 11 19:46
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n3fs1Jul 11 19:46
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/619941074136645632Jul 11 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: Since most of the 12 in this list are white male assholes, let's not hope not *too* influential https://t.co/tL87NKeqMhJul 11 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Here are the 12 most influential programmers working today http://t.co/H8ooZIJsaa #rms opening pageJul 11 19:51
schestowitzInfluence is helped by being white males; different fromJul 11 19:51
schestowitzsay, 12 most skilledJul 11 19:51
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/619948462243729408 https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/619948564173713409Jul 11 20:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz Also, a number of these are not even programmers.Jul 11 20:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz They might as well have said "12 most famous"... "influential" is usually code for "irrelevant".Jul 11 20:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Review bq Aquaris E5 - Ubuntu EditionJul 11 20:20
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    http://t.co/NBAmxQEHMj (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 11 20:20
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TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n3g3nJul 11 20:20
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Point Linux 3.0 Is Out Now. Distro ReviewJul 11 20:20
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/gAs7mFJcIS (linuxpitstop.com)Jul 11 20:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxpitstop.com | How to Install Point Linux 3.0 and its prominent Features | LinuxPitstopJul 11 20:20
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     A new crop of stable kernelsJul 11 20:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lwn.net | A new crop of stable kernels [LWN.net]Jul 11 20:29
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n3g5yJul 11 20:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Point Linux 3.0 Is Out Now. Distro ReviewJul 11 20:29
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TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n3g61Jul 11 20:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Point Linux 3.0 Is Out Now. Distro Review | Tux MachinesJul 11 20:30
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Google Releases Ethernet Adapter for ChromecastJul 11 20:30
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/rb1LSkv0pG (www.eweek.com)Jul 11 20:30
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n3g63Jul 11 20:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eweek.com | Google Releases Ethernet Adapter for ChromecastJul 11 20:30
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/deusexstigma/status/619955158269603840Jul 11 20:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@deusexstigma: @schestowitz absolute bullshit.Jul 11 20:46
schestowitzI saw that a few days ago and needed to puke. Such horrible lies from such horrible media outlets.Jul 11 20:47
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/deusexstigma/status/619956632298991616Jul 11 21:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@deusexstigma: @schestowitz unfortunately 'media' outlets who seem to 'soma' -ise the uncritical...Jul 11 21:15
schestowitzhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMcjoP670soJul 11 21:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | The Scallies of Manchester - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/n3gkb ]Jul 11 21:17
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6317843Jul 11 21:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: French Government IT directorate stands its ground : #ODF supported, #OOXML rejected https://www.april.org/en/french-government-it-directorate-stands-its-ground-odf-supported-ooxml-rejected Discussion: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/07/09/187204/french-government-it-directorate-supports-odf-rejects-ooxmlJul 11 21:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.april.org | French Government IT directorate stands its ground : ODF supported, OOXML rejected | April [ http://ur1.ca/n3gnf ]Jul 11 21:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> yro.slashdot.org | French Government IT Directorate Supports ODF, Rejects OOXML - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/n2zon ]Jul 11 21:28
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Google releases second preview of Android MJul 11 22:13
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/D2dKPs19Ei (www.zdnet.com)Jul 11 22:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | ​Google releases second preview of Android M | ZDNetJul 11 22:13
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n3gzhJul 11 22:13
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Confirmed: America's Army Is Coming Back ToJul 11 22:13
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux http://t.co/kE7HDPoY3N (www.phoronix.com)Jul 11 22:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Confirmed: America's Army Is Coming Back To Linux - PhoronixJul 11 22:13
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Links 11/7/2015: Purism Librem 13 Reviewed, KDEJul 11 22:13
TweetTuxMachines                 Frameworks 5.12.0 is Out http://t.co/QqxqZGlzbdJul 11 22:13
TweetTuxMachines                 (techrights.org)Jul 11 22:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 11/7/2015: Purism Librem 13 Reviewed, KDE Frameworks 5.12.0 is Out | TechrightsJul 11 22:13
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schestowitz> RE: your new page http://techrights.org/2015/07/11/battistelli-blocks-web-sites/Jul 11 23:26
schestowitz>Jul 11 23:26
schestowitz> "Transmission using Tor and an empty E-mail account can do the trick. We have never let down or betrayed a source (in our decade-old history with many whistleblowers)..."Jul 11 23:26
schestowitz>Jul 11 23:26
schestowitz> suggestion:Jul 11 23:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | European Censorship: Tyrants of the EPO Blacklist Techrights, Web Site Not Accessible Office-Wide | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/n3hl0 ]Jul 11 23:26
schestowitz>Jul 11 23:26
schestowitz> Instead of only pointing to Tor, give a hint and link to Tails https://tails.boum.org/ as a secure stand-alone, live system. Much better, much safer to use. Comes with the encryption tools (gpg) which are not present on Windows or Macm, as you certainly know.Jul 11 23:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tails.boum.org | Tails - Privacy for anyone anywhereJul 11 23:26
schestowitzI was going to mention tails, but that requires CD burners and other stuff that some people would feel is too great a task.Jul 11 23:26
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/crispymint/status/619993478458535937?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=emailJul 11 23:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@crispymint: @schestowitz good postJul 11 23:28
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Touch to Get Major Battery ImprovementJul 08 00:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch to Get Major Battery Improvement for Meizu MX4 | Tux MachinesJul 08 00:36
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Richard Stallman 'basically' has no problemJul 11 03:18
TweetTuxMachines                 with the NSA using GNU/LinuxJul 11 03:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Richard Stallman 'basically' has no problem with the NSA using GNU/Linux | Tux MachinesJul 11 03:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     French Government IT directorate stands itsJul 11 03:18
TweetTuxMachines                 ground : ODF supported, OOXML rejectedJul 11 03:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | French Government IT directorate stands its ground : ODF supported, OOXML rejected | Tux MachinesJul 11 03:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Open source licensing at GitHubJul 11 03:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open source licensing at GitHub | Tux MachinesJul 11 03:18
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oiaohmhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NSA-KDBUS-Credentials   It is interesting to see the differnet parties that come out the wood work.Jul 11 05:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | The NSA Is Looking At Systemd's KDBUS - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/n3a35 ]Jul 11 05:46
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cubexyzthumbs down once again to the media that can't acknowlegdge the existance of anything beyond Windows and MacJul 11 12:17
cubexyzsociety of waste:Jul 11 12:27
cubexyzhttp://upstreampolicy.org/issues/our-throw-away-society/Jul 11 12:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-upstreampolicy.org | Our Throw-Away Society | Upstream [ http://