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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/619999150373928960?cn=ZmF2b3JpdGVfbWVudGlvbmVkX3VzZXI%3D&refsrc=email | Jul 12 06:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz And even SaaS which you run is cut of the same cloth. Ultimately it is about who is in control. | Jul 12 06:34 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/619998811042086912 | Jul 12 06:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz True of SaaS controlled by others, but IaaS and PaaS are just means for you to buy elastic computing capacity. | Jul 12 06:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620059830527655936?cn=ZmF2b3JpdGVfbWVudGlvbmVkX3VzZXI%3D&refsrc=email | Jul 12 06:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz I think I got it! "influential in THE PAST" (ignoring the non-coder kleptocrat jerk). All the languages mentioned are obsolete. | Jul 12 06:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Kodi 15.0 Isengard – RC 2 | Jul 12 06:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kodi 15.0 Isengard – RC 2 | Tux Machines | Jul 12 06:38 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620059830527655936?cn=ZmF2b3JpdGVfbWVudGlvbmVkX3VzZXI%3D&refsrc=email | Jul 12 06:39 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/619999497767120896?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=0afd2619b9f5fb4a7591c0a0f7bde8ea75a8c977&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=26eb3e419dde42548dc3a7979215545d&autoactions=1436654374&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267 | Jul 12 06:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz You don't need physical possession of a computer to control it anymore. So Cloud is not 'bad' per-se | Jul 12 06:40 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/619999932926177280?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=85c22dcd13908e7c700870c352ba073c2870a6e2&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=4e1b0af7dcc4411085232421b29655ca&autoactions=1436654478&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267 | Jul 12 06:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz Using services which other people control or which are proprietary is obviously silly, because you have ceded your rights. | Jul 12 06:40 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/620000244747534336?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=d0dfde2434da24627213c3f074ec3d593c5afa31&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=f07a9de5505c43acbcee5b6c5d343820&autoactions=1436654552&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267 | Jul 12 06:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz There is 'good cloud'. OpenStack, for example. And SpiderOak. And probably more. | Jul 12 06:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/620000549799243777?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=7546152e54cabea7cdd39c40f63993ea548f493b&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=52c37686339245c991665e273d548960&autoactions=1436654625&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267 | Jul 12 06:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz Best yet are pending decentralized services based on blockchain or other consensus mechanisms. Ethereum. MaidSafe, etc. | Jul 12 06:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/620000627272253441 | Jul 12 06:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz And Tor will likely be part of the answer. | Jul 12 06:43 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How To Install VirtualBox 5.0 In Ubuntu/Linux | Jul 12 13:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mint Or Other Derivatives | Jul 12 13:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How To Install VirtualBox 5.0 In Ubuntu/Linux Mint Or Other Derivatives | Tux Machines | Jul 12 13:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu To Ship On Lenovo Thinkpad L450 In India | Jul 12 13:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | - Welcome Ubuntu http://t.co/GqlNwX1A7b | Jul 12 13:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu To Ship On Lenovo Thinkpad L450 In India - Welcome Ubuntu | Tux Machines | Jul 12 13:02 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FitbitSupport/status/620106759093424128 https://twitter.com/FitbitSupport/status/620106802819039232 | Jul 12 13:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FitbitSupport: @schestowitz 1/2 We're sorry to hear about this! All Fitbit trackers are water-resistant. Please check this link: http://t.co/ln3i8gQnqf. | Jul 12 13:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> help.fitbit.com | Fitbit Help - Can I swim or shower with my tracker? | Jul 12 13:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FitbitSupport: @schestowitz 2/2 Please advise your friend to email us at http://t.co/n568EV68G3 and we'll be taking it from there. | Jul 12 13:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> help.fitbit.com | Contact Support | Jul 12 13:18 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/620208951125262336 | Jul 12 13:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: MT @schestowitz Law Firm Report Backs Allegation That American Psychological Association Was Complicit in #Torture http://t.co/gIpsEqtCcx | Jul 12 13:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.slate.com | American Psychological Association, CIA torture: Report says APA coordinated to allow enhanced interrogation. | Jul 12 13:36 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/620209003646316544 | Jul 12 13:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: RT @schestowitz Psychologists' collusion with US torture limited our ability to decry it anywhere http://t.co/MdXNwKujMg #torture | Jul 12 13:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com | Psychologists' collusion with US torture limited our ability to decry it anywhere | Dr Steven Miles | Comment is free | The Guardian | Jul 12 13:36 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/T_Miller_Harper/status/620208991851913216 | Jul 12 13:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@T_Miller_Harper: @schestowitz I do hope these are not the same buggers that IDS will use to "Test" and "adjust thinking" for those on welfare. | Jul 12 13:37 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/620209395784359936 | Jul 12 13:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: RT @schestowitz FP justifies mass #surveillance using odd logic of the all-knowing theory http://t.co/CDrZ5QfEWA | Jul 12 13:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> foreignpolicy.com | CIA study of ‘Commanders and Surprise’ says that if you want to avoid being surprised, manage your intel people | Foreign Policy | Jul 12 13:37 | |
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| schestowitz | [14:02] <r_schestowitz> https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/620216278821769216 | Jul 12 14:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz They are great, my dad lent us his and we haven't given back yet. What you diying? | Jul 12 14:04 | |
| schestowitz | [14:02] <r_schestowitz> a bookshelf | Jul 12 14:04 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620249838651875328 | Jul 12 16:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz It's been rejected on the grounds that he gets too close to the truth and nobody can be allowed to question official versions | Jul 12 16:18 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620250375736659968 | Jul 12 16:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz I reject the official account because it's fiction. OTOH Hersh practices journalism, which is verboten under current regime. | Jul 12 16:19 | |
| schestowitz | historically, for many decades, he has proven to be often correct | Jul 12 16:19 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620254265819426816 | Jul 12 16:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz Sadly, the rednecks react with a war on sharks. https://t.co/E9BEVypmD4 @#&^@&@&%@ humans | Jul 12 16:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.thedodo.com | Experts Call Australia’s Shark Cull “Revenge Killings” | Jul 12 16:33 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620254444341600256 https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620254644267274240 https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620254772650737664 | Jul 12 16:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz That's the funny thing about actual research. OTOH "Historically, official versions have been proven to be completely made up" | Jul 12 16:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: But of course, of course he is. Why would anyone doubt it? https://t.co/BMHPmKdO8o | Jul 12 16:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #jebbush reminds us that he is a Hawk, like Clinton http://t.co/2bXevKackS | Jul 12 16:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: Headlines I'd like to read: "Infuriated by any possibility of a plea bargain for war criminal George W Bush". @schestowitz | Jul 12 16:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/d81Vsdq3YV | Jul 12 16:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jul 12 16:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz | Jul 12 16:41 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6311356 | Jul 12 17:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Papyros Linux Distro Uses a New Material Design Shell http://news.softpedia.com/news/papyros-linux-distro-uses-a-new-material-design-shell-486460.shtml | Jul 12 17:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Papyros Linux Distro Uses a New Material Design Shell - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/n3q2s ] | Jul 12 17:02 | |
| schestowitz | ""Am I the only one who thinks that Material design actually looks like a hideous, day-glo throwback to the early 80’s… with shadows? I really don’t see why so many seem to be in love with it. The cards and dropshadows are nice, but their philosophy on color… Eurgh." | Jul 12 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the target market is not computer pros | Jul 12 17:02 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6316807 | Jul 12 17:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Core Linux tools top list of most at-risk software http://www.infoworld.com/article/2946566/security/core-linux-tools-top-the-list-of-most-at-risk-software.html | Jul 12 17:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.infoworld.com | Core Linux tools top list of most at-risk software | InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/n3q36 ] | Jul 12 17:03 | |
| schestowitz | "This reads like FUD to me. | Jul 12 17:03 |
| schestowitz | Well, IDG | Jul 12 17:03 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6310165 | Jul 12 17:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Been experimenting with the latest #unity desktop from #canonical over the past day. Must admit I like some parts of it. Not bad at all. | Jul 12 17:06 | |
| schestowitz | "DO you still have time to make a cup of tea before it comes up, after pressing the meta key? That’s the main thing that drives me crazy (after disabling the “send my every query to Amazon” mode)" | Jul 12 17:06 |
| schestowitz | "for me it’s still very unconfigurable, and it’s a pain trying to run conky there…" | Jul 12 17:06 |
| schestowitz | "that’s my main DE" | Jul 12 17:06 |
| schestowitz | My wife tries it, but wants to go back to KDE Plasma... | Jul 12 17:06 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6310202 | Jul 12 17:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Adobe? "Extra critical." To delete. It's critical people delete this malicious blob. #VP8 / #webm made it redundant. http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/july-15-security-fixes-for-adobes-flash-web-plugins-extra-critical/ | Jul 12 17:07 | |
| schestowitz | "Yeah, I don’t even have Gnash installed anymore. Anything that’s not in an open format isn’t worth watching." | Jul 12 17:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> alien.slackbook.org | Alien Pastures » July ’15 Security fixes for Adobe’s Flash web plugins (extra critical) [ http://ur1.ca/n3q4c ] | Jul 12 17:07 | |
| schestowitz | "Agreed @keith Bowes" | Jul 12 17:07 |
| schestowitz | IT's often ads and resource hogs | Jul 12 17:07 |
| MinceR | i prefer holo to material | Jul 12 17:08 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6311094 | Jul 12 17:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: A city that "never sleep" (and serves the stock market) is more likely to overcharge citizens and overwork them (for same salary). #london | Jul 12 17:09 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 12 17:09 |
| schestowitz | It used to be, if there was a shortage of black cabs, e.g. arriving with the last train, the drivers would ask the passengers where they were going and the cabbies would bundle those passengers into the cab who were going to roughly the same part of town.- same in Germany. | Jul 12 17:09 |
| schestowitz | But that was the cabbies acting on their own initiative, not through a central office :) | Jul 12 17:09 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like Uber is a bureaucracy… | Jul 12 17:09 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 12 17:09 |
| schestowitz | It's a lot worse than that | Jul 12 17:09 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: what's holo? | Jul 12 17:09 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: the MS thing? | Jul 12 17:09 |
| schestowitz | hololens? | Jul 12 17:09 |
| MinceR | no, the previous android gui style | Jul 12 17:09 |
| MinceR | before material | Jul 12 17:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620266639767011329 | Jul 12 17:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: That applies to pretty much everything Abbott (& your Tory fascists) are doing. @schestowitz | Jul 12 17:27 | |
| schestowitz | Politics worldwide moves to the right these days, much blame on poor ("lazy") people, immigrants, etc. | Jul 12 17:27 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: like Orban too, I think | Jul 12 17:27 |
| MinceR | yes, as much as the left/right distinction is even relevant | Jul 12 17:27 |
| MinceR | (afaik it originally was about who supports and who opposes the status quo, but the status quo has changed much and is different in different countries) | Jul 12 17:28 |
| MinceR | orban (like putler) learned how to run a dictatorship from fascists who called themselves socialist and/or communist | Jul 12 17:28 |
| MinceR | and then covered it in nationalist/christian fundamentalist flavor | Jul 12 17:29 |
| MinceR | turning "socialism" into "national socialism" | Jul 12 17:29 |
| schestowitz | I saw Orban last night in an article | Jul 12 17:30 |
| schestowitz | it was about censorship | Jul 12 17:30 |
| schestowitz | "media regulation" or whatever he paints it as | Jul 12 17:30 |
| schestowitz | here we have Tories | Jul 12 17:30 |
| schestowitz | so we're down the same rabbithole | Jul 12 17:30 |
| MinceR | the whole planet is going to shit | Jul 12 17:31 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620269430031937536 | Jul 12 17:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz been happening4 a long time—easy to prove—just recall '01,when a coordinated event let them shift gears. Even that seems recent | Jul 12 17:36 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yesterday a friend told me | Jul 12 17:36 |
| schestowitz | (not a good friend) | Jul 12 17:36 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 12 17:36 |
| schestowitz | she doesn't care what happens to the planet | Jul 12 17:36 |
| MinceR | evil friend? | Jul 12 17:36 |
| schestowitz | yes | Jul 12 17:36 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 12 17:36 |
| schestowitz | from Iran, too :-p | Jul 12 17:36 |
| schestowitz | but then I said, maybe you think you'll have a short life | Jul 12 17:37 |
| schestowitz | some people can't be bothered about anything than current day/next week | Jul 12 17:37 |
| schestowitz | it's gross | Jul 12 17:37 |
| schestowitz | but I think that's how many people feel | Jul 12 17:37 |
| schestowitz | the Ayn Rand mentality | Jul 12 17:37 |
| schestowitz | objectivism she called it | Jul 12 17:37 |
| schestowitz | absolutism | Jul 12 17:37 |
| schestowitz | some kind of perverse nihilistic atheism | Jul 12 17:38 |
| MinceR | objectivism avoids the hard questions | Jul 12 17:39 |
| MinceR | it's not as "objective" as they like to believe :> | Jul 12 17:39 |
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| schestowitz | http://tuxmachines.org/messages/view/229#new | Jul 12 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | "Hi. I think you have a registration spam problem. There are always around 4 online users with usernames that are obviously random." | Jul 12 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | yes, it is a big problem and one I have fought against for 1.5 years. At least they don't manage to post anymore. | Jul 12 17:47 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/JBConseilsEnR/status/620278403544031232 | Jul 12 18:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JBConseilsEnR: #sotrue too many #journalists :1-have to write what they do not believe in 2-write "safe" papers 3-have latent brain https://t.co/2uiTVfxwy7 | Jul 12 18:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The world's most important articles tend to come from insiders blowing whistle, not "officials" or journos who start from "empty page" | Jul 12 18:10 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/webmink/status/620278994735226880 | Jul 12 18:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@webmink: @schestowitz It's a big company - 160k people - and this is a deeply ingrained behaviour that will take a lot of shaking. | Jul 12 18:11 | |
| schestowitz | Someone can hopefully tell those other parts that they serve to cause distrust, at least in other areas. *wink wink*. | Jul 12 18:11 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/webmink/status/620279173366439936 | Jul 12 18:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@webmink: @WiproOS One for you to respond to. https://t.co/WSUqFYuRqR | Jul 12 18:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: With #patents hype on the agenda, I am starting to doubt #wipro will warm to FOSS http://t.co/XO4Hp9Tok1 http://t.co/L9X2E5sOPn @webmink | Jul 12 18:12 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @Americana777 favourited 'Today in Techrights http://t.co/d81Vsdq3YV' | Jul 12 18:24 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/webmink/status/620282383741227009 | Jul 12 18:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jul 12 18:24 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@webmink: @schestowitz I've been saying this since the first interview: "Reputation in open source is holistic and one good deed is not enough." :-) | Jul 12 18:24 | |
| schestowitz | I think it was Infosys CEO who recently blasted patents (inc. software) in the media. #wipro can pay attention to his remarks. | Jul 12 18:25 |
| schestowitz | All the links I could find to that (in English) were pocketed in http://techrights.org/2015/01/17/abolition-of-software-patents/ scroll down for citations | Jul 12 18:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Large Corporations, Including Microsoft Allies, Call for Abolition of Software Patents | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/jgh3e ] | Jul 12 18:27 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LaKademy 2015 http://t.co/IIA2Kil4Ka | Jul 12 18:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 12 18:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LaKademy 2015 | Tux Machines | Jul 12 18:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3qxu | Jul 12 18:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Phoronix on Graphics http://t.co/gcIDM0kUcc | Jul 12 18:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 12 18:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Phoronix on Graphics | Tux Machines | Jul 12 18:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3qxv | Jul 12 18:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines NVIDIA's 352 Linux Driver Against Linux 4.1 | Jul 12 18:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | With Nouveau Gallium3D http://t.co/kOn6ai8KQE | Jul 12 18:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Jul 12 18:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | NVIDIA's 352 Linux Driver Against Linux 4.1 With Nouveau Gallium3D - Phoronix | Jul 12 18:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3qxw | Jul 12 18:33 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6311356 | Jul 12 19:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Papyros Linux Distro Uses a New Material Design Shell http://news.softpedia.com/news/papyros-linux-distro-uses-a-new-material-design-shell-486460.shtml | Jul 12 19:32 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Papyros Linux Distro Uses a New Material Design Shell - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/n3q2s ] | Jul 12 19:32 | |
| schestowitz | "Maybe the target market is not computer pros" | Jul 12 19:32 |
| MinceR | it almost never is anymore | Jul 12 19:33 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6316903 | Jul 12 19:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Based on the level of international media coverage, Amos Yee definitely succeed in showing that #LeeKuanYew is a naked emperor | Jul 12 19:34 | |
| schestowitz | "You are not asking the obvious question - why is this happening now? There's nothing new about Singapore's attitude to liberties." | Jul 12 19:34 |
| schestowitz | It's good that Western media FINALLY decided to cover this, shattering the illusion many still have. | Jul 12 19:34 |
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| cubexyz | "the planet" is fine | Jul 12 20:31 |
| schestowitz | "illegal alien" | Jul 12 20:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.examiner.com/article/chutzpah-obama-administration-blames-gop-for-murder-of-woman-by-illegal-alien | Jul 12 20:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.examiner.com | Chutzpah: Obama administration blames GOP for murder of woman by illegal alien - National Law Enforcement | Examiner.com [ http://ur1.ca/n3s2m ] | Jul 12 20:32 | |
| cubexyz | it's the management of resources which is bad | Jul 12 20:32 |
| schestowitz | "Do you believe in aliens?" | Jul 12 20:32 |
| schestowitz | "yes, I watched FOX" | Jul 12 20:32 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/DUC6tNh.jpg | Jul 12 20:33 |
| MinceR | or perhaps http://cdn.meme.am/instances/51056007.jpg | Jul 12 20:34 |
| cubexyz | I'm not saying it's Aliens... :) | Jul 12 20:34 |
| MinceR | http://www.troll.me/images/aliens-guy/im-not-saying-that-it-was-aliens-but-it-was-aliens.jpg | Jul 12 20:36 |
| cubexyz | had to use windows today... ugh | Jul 12 20:37 |
| cubexyz | most of the time I can avoid it | Jul 12 20:38 |
| cubexyz | had one customer ask me about upgrading to windows 10 | Jul 12 20:39 |
| cubexyz | on a happier note most of the work today was done via the customer's linux computer | Jul 12 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MxsQueen/status/620313838668394496 https://twitter.com/MxsQueen/status/620314012106907648 https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/620314990118051840 | Jul 12 20:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MxsQueen: @schestowitz seemed to whom? The uk has been through well established prolonged threats. 7/7 wasn't one. | Jul 12 20:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MxsQueen: @schestowitz what about the numerous victims of fascists attempting race war? | Jul 12 20:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz @PressHerald we should have seen this coming 230 years ago with #manifest #Destiny. Such #hubris about being #exceptional | Jul 12 20:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/nanayasleeps/status/620317449586655232 | Jul 12 20:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nanayasleeps: @MxsQueen @schestowitz remember white nationalists don't count | Jul 12 20:53 | |
| schestowitz | If our government announced Web censorship, mass surveillance etc. to fight racism, they would high uphill battle | Jul 12 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620328141500907520 | Jul 12 21:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: Nobrainer. Therefore we can only assume this has always been THE intention. https://t.co/K19TiU7Qkw | Jul 12 21:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Killing civilians to vanquish Isis will only make besieged people hate us http://t.co/73DNys5WkW #drones | Jul 12 21:38 | |
| schestowitz | Or desirable side effect for the "deliverables" | Jul 12 21:38 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LaKademy 2015 https://t.co/KZ4V45qsmJ | Jul 12 21:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (dot.kde.org) | Jul 12 21:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3sqy | Jul 12 21:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dot.kde.org | LaKademy 2015 | KDE.news | Jul 12 21:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Rare breed: Linux Mint 17.2 offers desktop | Jul 12 21:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | familiarity and responds to user wants | Jul 12 21:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/wD0qY1ndnw (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 12 21:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3sqz | Jul 12 21:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Rare breed: Linux Mint 17.2 offers desktop familiarity and responds to user wants | Tux Machines | Jul 12 21:53 | |
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| *Disconnected (). | Jul 12 22:01 | |
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| *Now talking on #techrights | Jul 12 22:02 | |
| *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell | Jul 12 22:02 | |
| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Jul 12 22:02 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @RamiSilawi For the first time since #Slackware Mint makes | Jul 12 22:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | me stop #Hopping cc @tuxmachines @Linux_Mint | Jul 12 22:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #linux | Jul 12 22:16 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines OS/2 HPFS File-System Now Has TRIM Support On | Jul 12 22:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux http://t.co/2QGYDii7o7 (www.phoronix.com) | Jul 12 22:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3sye | Jul 12 22:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | OS/2 HPFS File-System Now Has TRIM Support On Linux - Phoronix | Jul 12 22:16 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Two teen programmers talk about why they love | Jul 12 22:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux, love Google and don't hate Windows 10 | Jul 12 22:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/F9HSgdBEBG (www.businessinsider.in) | Jul 12 22:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.in | Two teen programmers talk about why they love Linux, love Google and don't hate Windows 10 | Business Insider India | Jul 12 22:16 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3syf | Jul 12 22:16 |
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| MinceR | so they don't know winblows 10 yet | Jul 12 22:22 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/620335967908536321 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/620336528351449088 | Jul 12 22:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Rare breed: #LinuxMint 17.2 offers desktop familiarity and responds to user wants http://t.co/bVjeKkCvjK #gnu #linux | Jul 12 22:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Bugzilla 5.0 Released, Their Most Exciting New Version In History http://t.co/1NZujtIiDg | Jul 12 22:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.phoronix.com | Bugzilla 5.0 Released, Their Most Exciting New Version In History - Phoronix | Jul 12 22:36 | |
| r_schestowitz | MinceR: it's the MS booster | Jul 12 22:36 |
| r_schestowitz | Julie Bort | Jul 12 22:36 |
| r_schestowitz | irrelevant question from her | Jul 12 22:36 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A Week With GNOME As My Linux Desktop: What | Jul 12 23:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | They Get Right & Wrong http://t.co/Z5J5opdMfQ | Jul 12 23:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Jul 12 23:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | A Week With GNOME As My Linux Desktop: What They Get Right & Wrong (Editorial) - Phoronix | Jul 12 23:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3tem | Jul 12 23:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A Week With GNOME As My Linux Desktop: What | Jul 12 23:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | They Get Right & Wrong http://t.co/mn0NBa3gIX | Jul 12 23:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A Week With GNOME As My Linux Desktop: What They Get Right & Wrong | Tux Machines | Jul 12 23:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Two teen programmers talk about why they love | Jul 12 23:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux, love Google and don't hate Windows 10 | Jul 12 23:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Two teen programmers talk about why they love Linux, love Google and don't hate Windows 10 | Tux Machines | Jul 12 23:10 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS Gets a Second Update with | Jul 13 01:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ARM, UFS, and IPv4 Improvements | Jul 13 01:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS Gets a Second Update with ARM, UFS, and IPv4 Improvements | Tux Machines | Jul 13 01:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Zorin OS 10 Will be the Most Beautiful Release | Jul 13 01:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Yet, Based on Ubuntu 15.04 | Jul 13 01:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/WZ6HLxh94f (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 01:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Zorin OS 10 Will be the Most Beautiful Release Yet, Based on Ubuntu 15.04 | Tux Machines | Jul 13 01:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Wine Staging:Release 1.7.47 | Jul 13 01:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine Staging:Release 1.7.47 | Tux Machines | Jul 13 01:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Kodi 15.0 Release Candidate 2 "Isengard" Brings | Jul 13 01:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Multiple Fixes, Download Now | Jul 13 01:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kodi 15.0 Release Candidate 2 "Isengard" Brings Multiple Fixes, Download Now | Tux Machines | Jul 13 01:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Is Moving to GCC 5 | Jul 13 01:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Is Moving to GCC 5 | Tux Machines | Jul 13 01:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux 4.2-rc2 http://t.co/pDy4bhnTc4 | Jul 13 01:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 01:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 4.2-rc2 | Tux Machines | Jul 13 01:44 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Numerous NSS Vulnerabilities Closed in All | Jul 13 04:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu OSes http://t.co/ZB0abnH3Lk | Jul 13 04:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Numerous NSS Vulnerabilities Closed in All Ubuntu OSes | Tux Machines | Jul 13 04:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Is Moving to GCC 5 | Jul 13 04:40 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tokvbok | Jul 13 04:40 |
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| schestowitz | me to glyn: | Jul 13 09:19 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 13 09:19 |
| schestowitz | As you may have noticed, EPO banned my site some days ago. It's how they deal with information these days, after assigning Control Risks to spy on me (confirmed) and maybe even using DDOS (I cannot prove this). I suppose you have not published any articles about this for the same reason I don't compose articles about trade agreements; I don't know enough to confidently remark on these. | Jul 13 09:19 |
| schestowitz | If you choose to write something about the EPO (the scandals are many and a summary would therefore be long), I can help filling you in with citations to supportive articles (sometimes translations thereof) and fact-checking. The EPO regime is closely connected to what's found in so-called 'trade' agreements; weakening one would weaken the other. | Jul 13 09:19 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 13 09:20 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KStars – A new look! http://t.co/VikJE5xeZ6 | Jul 13 09:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.msadityan.com | KStars – A new look! | M.S.Adityan | Jul 13 09:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.msadityan.com) | Jul 13 09:30 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Azermane/status/620350897512652804 https://twitter.com/Azermane/status/620345183016755201 | Jul 13 09:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Azermane: @TheRalphRetort figured you might be interested in this article about Stonemirror if you haven't already seen it http://t.co/llAH5zwNW8 | Jul 13 09:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Azermane/status/620350897512652804 https://twitter.com/Azermane/status/620345183016755201 | Jul 13 09:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Richard Stallman and Bruce Perens Defamed by Troll | Techrights | Jul 13 09:42 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Azermane: @KotakuInAction @Amantisme this is Stonemirror http://t.co/llAH5zwNW8 disgusting human being, feel free to spread it on reddit if you'd like | Jul 13 09:42 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New version of #sparkylinux has just been | Jul 13 11:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | released http://t.co/UUlPSa7tCj | Jul 13 11:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (sparkylinux.org) | Jul 13 11:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sparkylinux.org | Home | SparkyLinux | Jul 13 11:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS Gets a Second Update with | Jul 13 11:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ARM, UFS, and IPv4 Improvements | Jul 13 11:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS Gets a Second Update with ARM, UFS, and IPv4 Improvements - Softpedia | Jul 13 11:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Zorin OS 10 Will be the Most Beautiful Release | Jul 13 11:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Yet, Based on Ubuntu 15.04 | Jul 13 11:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/ChyV1H8rua (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 11:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Zorin OS 10 Will Be the Most Beautiful Release Yet, Based on Ubuntu 15.04 - Softpedia | Jul 13 11:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3zmr | Jul 13 11:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux 4.2-rc2 http://t.co/qddkuOzxrO | Jul 13 11:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (lkml.iu.edu) | Jul 13 11:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.iu.edu | Linux-Kernel Archive: Linux 4.2-rc2 | Jul 13 11:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3znx | Jul 13 11:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Numerous NSS Vulnerabilities Closed in All | Jul 13 11:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu OSes http://t.co/jLjgiZuXev | Jul 13 11:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Numerous NSS Vulnerabilities Closed in All Ubuntu OSes - Softpedia | Jul 13 11:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linux.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 11:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3zny | Jul 13 11:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Is Moving to GCC 5 | Jul 13 11:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/gB2uvAHRNC (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 11:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3znz | Jul 13 11:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Is Moving to GCC 5 - Softpedia | Jul 13 11:33 | |
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| schestowitz | "he’s not staff, and the link is 404" | Jul 13 12:03 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6337716 | Jul 13 12:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #mozilla staff on proprietary Pocket: the feature nobody wanted http://benjaminkerensa.com/2015/07/12/pocket-the-feature-nobody-wanted it's good to see understanding that it was a dumb move | Jul 13 12:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://benjaminkerensa.com/2015/07/12/pocket-the-feature-nobody-wanted ) | Jul 13 12:03 | |
| schestowitz | he deleted it | Jul 13 12:03 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6335917 | Jul 13 12:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Has it been made consensus by now (outside the tech world) that #microsoft violates #privacy intentionally? techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA | Jul 13 12:04 | |
| schestowitz | Yet there are diasporians promoting MS marketing crap like this: | Jul 13 12:04 |
| schestowitz | http://mblng.tumblr.com/post/123873121297/how-microsoft-is-protecting-customer-data-in-the | Jul 13 12:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mblng.tumblr.com | How Microsoft is Protecting Customer Data in the... - Mblng [ http://ur1.ca/n3zw6 ] | Jul 13 12:04 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 13 12:04 |
| schestowitz | Yet there are diasporians promoting MS marketing crap like this: | Jul 13 12:04 |
| schestowitz | http://mblng.tumblr.com/post/123873121297/how-microsoft-is-protecting-customer-data-in-the | Jul 13 12:04 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 13 12:04 |
| schestowitz | Not sure whether to laugh or sign | Jul 13 12:04 |
| schestowitz | sigh | Jul 13 12:04 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6310093 | Jul 13 12:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The eternal rumor: Will Microsoft dump Windows Mobile and go for Android? http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/209341-the-eternal-rumor-will-microsoft-dump-windows-mobile-and-go-for-android add "patent extortion" to end, then true | Jul 13 12:07 | |
| schestowitz | "microsoft should dump whole microsoft" | Jul 13 12:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.extremetech.com | The eternal rumor: Will Microsoft dump Windows Mobile and go for Android? | ExtremeTech [ http://ur1.ca/n3zx8 ] | Jul 13 12:08 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/620550146288414721 | Jul 13 12:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz nasty! https://t.co/kW7WBiNI1u | Jul 13 12:13 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rik_ferguson: #HackingTeam has code for UEFI module for BIOS persistency of RCS 9 agent (i.e. survives even HD replace) PPT here: https://t.co/N6zJMB0PML | Jul 13 12:13 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6305542 | Jul 13 12:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The company I work for does manage to make income from #freesw development and maintenance and it's far from the only one in Europe | Jul 13 12:18 | |
| schestowitz | "how does it generate income? support?" | Jul 13 12:18 |
| schestowitz | and custom development | Jul 13 12:18 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.14.48 LTS Adds ARM, ARM64, x86, | Jul 13 12:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and IPv4 Optimizations http://t.co/9zocqEb5b8 | Jul 13 12:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 12:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 3.14.48 LTS Adds ARM, ARM64, x86, and IPv4 Optimizations - Softpedia | Jul 13 12:35 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AMD Has Been Finishing Up EGL 1.5 Support In | Jul 13 12:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mesa http://t.co/uIuHpZdgsc (www.phoronix.com) | Jul 13 12:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n405d | Jul 13 12:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Marek At AMD Has Been Finishing Up EGL 1.5 Support In Mesa - Phoronix | Jul 13 12:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google and BlackBerry team up for a secure | Jul 13 12:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | enterprise Android http://t.co/Skhs1GY4NJ | Jul 13 12:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.engadget.com) | Jul 13 12:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com | Google and BlackBerry team up for a secure enterprise Android | Jul 13 12:35 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Top 6 Free iOS, Android Games Released in June | Jul 13 12:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 2015 http://t.co/6W09NO5i60 (www.ibtimes.co.in) | Jul 13 12:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.co.in | Top 6 Free iOS, Android Games Released in June 2015 | Jul 13 12:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Genymobile Grabs $7.7 Million To Become The Red | Jul 13 12:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Hat Of Android http://t.co/B5vIfgmwHk | Jul 13 12:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com | Genymobile Grabs $7.7 Million To Become The Red Hat Of Android | TechCrunch | Jul 13 12:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (techcrunch.com) | Jul 13 12:41 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.10.84 LTS Arrives with x86, ARM, | Jul 13 12:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and Networking Fixes http://t.co/1QeUsPG6Ne | Jul 13 12:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel 3.10.84 LTS Arrives with x86, ARM, and Networking Fixes | Tux Machines | Jul 13 12:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A developer replete with Drupal vim and vigor | Jul 13 12:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/wxMQkF6R0t (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 12:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4079 | Jul 13 12:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A developer replete with Drupal vim and vigor | Tux Machines | Jul 13 12:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google and BlackBerry team up for a secure | Jul 13 12:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | enterprise Android http://t.co/cM0sSpty9t | Jul 13 12:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 12:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google and BlackBerry team up for a secure enterprise Android | Tux Machines | Jul 13 12:42 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Genymobile Grabs $7.7 Million To Become The Red | Jul 13 12:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Hat Of Android http://t.co/i05vAbUvQP | Jul 13 12:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 12:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Genymobile Grabs $7.7 Million To Become The Red Hat Of Android | Tux Machines | Jul 13 12:42 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Download Mozilla Thunderbird 38.1 for Linux, | Jul 13 12:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mac OS X, and Windows http://t.co/zDUNao2ris | Jul 13 12:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 12:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Download Mozilla Thunderbird 38.1 for Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows | Tux Machines | Jul 13 12:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n40a8 | Jul 13 12:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google Releases A Second Build Of Android M | Jul 13 12:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Just For Developers http://t.co/rx1VYf1YHz | Jul 13 12:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com | Google Releases A Second Build Of Android M Just For Developers | TechCrunch | Jul 13 12:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (techcrunch.com) | Jul 13 12:51 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Everything new in the Android M Preview 2 | Jul 13 12:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/7VuaHbx6b4 (arstechnica.com) | Jul 13 12:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n40aa | Jul 13 12:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Everything new in the Android M Preview 2 | Ars Technica | Jul 13 12:52 | |
| MinceR | http://dustri.org/b/firefox-youre-supposed-to-be-in-my-pocket-not-the-other-way-around.html | Jul 13 12:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dustri.org | Artificial truth · Firefox, you're supposed to be in my pocket, not the other way around. [ http://ur1.ca/n40bl ] | Jul 13 12:55 | |
| MinceR | time for a fork, perhaps | Jul 13 12:59 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Sony's Android-powered Smart TV range lands in | Jul 13 13:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Australia http://t.co/CTl3nwv3sz (www.cnet.com) | Jul 13 13:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnet.com | Sony's Android-powered Smart TV range lands in Australia - CNET | Jul 13 13:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n40go | Jul 13 13:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Galaxy S6 user switches to the iPhone 6, runs | Jul 13 13:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | back to Android after two weeks | Jul 13 13:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/DSG3RKfLMr (bgr.com) | Jul 13 13:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com | iPhone 6 vs. Galaxy S6: Android user switches back after two weeks | BGR | Jul 13 13:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google's Next Android Feature Could Give it a | Jul 13 13:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Big Advantage Over Apple's iPhone | Jul 13 13:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/tuXeeAWPcn (www.fool.com) | Jul 13 13:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fool.com | Google's Next Android Feature Could Give it a Big Advantage Over Apple's iPhone -- The Motley Fool | Jul 13 13:11 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android M release date: latest news and rumours | Jul 13 14:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/SiQ11FJ7WX (www.telegraph.co.uk) | Jul 13 14:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.telegraph.co.uk | Android M release date: latest news and rumours - Telegraph | Jul 13 14:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android has come a long way since Google bought | Jul 13 14:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | it 10 years ago today http://t.co/PTRd6OaTLe | Jul 13 14:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (venturebeat.com) "quietly building software | Jul 13 14:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-venturebeat.com | Android has come a long way since Google bought it 10 years ago today | VentureBeat | Mobile | by Jordan Novet | Jul 13 14:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | for cell phones." | Jul 13 14:10 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Wear to soon support interactive watch | Jul 13 14:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | faces http://t.co/1jD4qlCslU | Jul 13 14:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.slashgear.com | Android Wear to soon support interactive watch faces - SlashGear | Jul 13 14:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.slashgear.com) | Jul 13 14:10 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Cossacks 3 RTS Has Two New Teasers, Will Be On | Jul 13 14:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux https://t.co/zNA7b2C8Xl | Jul 13 14:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Jul 13 14:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Cossacks 3 RTS Has Two New Teasers, Will Be On Linux | GamingOnLinux | Jul 13 14:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Cramer: "Redhat is really the best there is," | Jul 13 14:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | he said. "Everyone uses Redhat." | Jul 13 14:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/AuEVmIZBkn (www.thestreet.com) | Jul 13 14:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thestreet.com | Cramer -- Don't Dump Redhat (RHT) Over NYSE Glitch; Do Bet on Comcast (CMCSA) - TheStreet | Jul 13 14:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Top 30 Apps from the Tizen Store for first half | Jul 13 14:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 2015 http://t.co/alhP6Edwxl | Jul 13 14:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tizenexperts.com) | Jul 13 14:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Top 30 Apps from the Tizen Store for first half 2015Tizen Experts | Jul 13 14:44 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Point Linux 3.0 Replaces GNOME 3 Classic with | Jul 13 14:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Xfce, Based on Debian 8 Jessie | Jul 13 14:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/XwQv3GwN3O (linux.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 14:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Point Linux 3.0 Replaces GNOME 3 Classic with Xfce, Based on Debian 8 Jessie - Softpedia | Jul 13 14:55 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu's Unity 8, Mir, and LXC for Xapps | Jul 13 14:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Received Major Improvements | Jul 13 14:55 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 4.0 to Reach End of Life Soon, | Jul 13 14:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Users Urged to Move to Linux Kernel 4.1 | Jul 13 14:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 4.0 to Reach End of Life Soon, Users Urged to Move to Linux Kernel 4.1 - Softpedia | Jul 13 14:56 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus OS Gets Linux Kernel 4.1.2 LTS, Firefox | Jul 13 15:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 39, and Much More http://t.co/mWQKrTsKP9 | Jul 13 15:57 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 13/7/2015: Linux 4.2 and Kodi 15.0 | Jul 13 15:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Release Candidate 2 http://t.co/XeD7hoCykI | Jul 13 15:57 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat News http://t.co/NyHNSMylp0 | Jul 13 15:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 13/7/2015: Linux 4.2 and Kodi 15.0 Release Candidate 2 | Techrights | Jul 13 15:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat News | Tux Machines | Jul 13 15:58 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/D6hnp8hBL4 | Jul 13 16:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Jul 13 16:47 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Jul 13 16:47 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/8UKIRFlQek | Jul 13 16:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Jul 13 16:47 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/yrYIUaTwzn | Jul 13 16:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 13 16:47 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/620651797963763713 | Jul 13 20:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Feds can read every email you opened last year without a warrant @ruskin147 @schestowitz http://t.co/x26S4jfNq5 | Jul 13 20:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com | Feds can read every email you opened last year without a warrant | ZDNet | Jul 13 20:23 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/620667298274111488 | Jul 13 20:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Government-sponsored cyberattack company likely hacked by another country, it claims @ruskin147 @schestowitz http://t.co/a7UTGXs57Y | Jul 13 20:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.independent.co.uk | Hacking Team: government-sponsored cyberattack company likely hacked by another country, it claims - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent | Jul 13 20:29 | |
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| MinceR | m$ code quality in Linux: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/drivers/net/hyperv/netvsc_drv.c?id=3a494e710367c0a233d86bcde9853781859fc008#n784 | Jul 13 21:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.kernel.org | kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - Linux kernel source tree [ http://ur1.ca/n45bs ] | Jul 13 21:02 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qapsl0ck/status/620685435484917761 | Jul 13 21:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qapsl0ck: @schestowitz Jabber combines fine with PGP :) | Jul 13 21:06 | |
| r_schestowitz | can be self-hosted with encryption too | Jul 13 21:06 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qapsl0ck/status/620686024759476224 | Jul 13 21:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qapsl0ck: @schestowitz yups, here is raspberry doing that ;) | Jul 13 21:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Kernel 4.0 Will Reach EOL Next Week, Kernel | Jul 13 21:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 4.0.9 Being The Latest Update From The Series | Jul 13 21:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/aBJS2xAW5n (linuxg.net) | Jul 13 21:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n45fa | Jul 13 21:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net | Kernel 4.0 Will Reach EOL Next Week, Kernel 4.0.9 Being The Latest Update From The Series | LinuxG.net | Jul 13 21:14 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Makes Strides in Enterprise Embedded | Jul 13 21:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Market http://t.co/DgVqdvHNnD (www.linux.com) | Jul 13 21:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n45fv | Jul 13 21:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com | Android Makes Strides in Enterprise Embedded Market | Linux.com | Jul 13 21:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Review: SolydK 201506 http://t.co/3ucsUxUOa2 | Jul 13 21:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 21:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Review: SolydK 201506 | Tux Machines | Jul 13 21:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Zorin OS 10 RC Screenshot Tour - A Gorgeous New | Jul 13 21:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Design for a Different OS | Jul 13 21:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/PC07otSZjR (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 21:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Zorin OS 10 RC Screenshot Tour - A Gorgeous New Design for a Different OS | Tux Machines | Jul 13 21:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines FreeBSD 10.2 Beta 1 Now Ready for Download and | Jul 13 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Testing http://t.co/QyI1zRdHz0 | Jul 13 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 21:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FreeBSD 10.2 Beta 1 Now Ready for Download and Testing | Tux Machines | Jul 13 21:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n45mw | Jul 13 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Makes Strides in Enterprise Embedded | Jul 13 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Market http://t.co/9OBxMUeuEp | Jul 13 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 21:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Makes Strides in Enterprise Embedded Market | Tux Machines | Jul 13 21:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n45my | Jul 13 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Zorin OS 10 RC Screenshot Tour - A Gorgeous New | Jul 13 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Design for a Different OS | Jul 13 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/oAfoVvAIUd (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n45n0 | Jul 13 21:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Zorin OS 10 RC Screenshot Tour - A Gorgeous New Design for a Different OS - Softpedia | Jul 13 21:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Trinity Linux System Call Fuzz Tester | Jul 13 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Effectively Suspended http://t.co/jTfUJjQIwR | Jul 13 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Jul 13 21:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Trinity Linux System Call Fuzz Tester Effectively Suspended - Phoronix | Jul 13 21:33 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/620692253997170688 | Jul 13 21:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Sounds a bit daft but...All Instant Messaging Could Be Killed In The UK Within Weeks @ruskin147 @schestowitz http://t.co/Gj8Eas8243 | Jul 13 21:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.forbes.com | All Instant Messaging Could Be Killed In The UK Within Weeks - Forbes | Jul 13 21:34 | |
| r_schestowitz | won't happen, just a shaming tactic | Jul 13 21:34 |
| razielle_tzu | yeah... | Jul 13 21:36 |
| razielle_tzu | second, or is it third(?), crypto war.. 20 years and nothing has changed really | Jul 13 21:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch to Get Enhanced SMS Capabilities | Jul 13 21:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | with Next Update http://t.co/TzyuVWoluv | Jul 13 21:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch to Get Enhanced SMS Capabilities with Next Update - Softpedia | Jul 13 21:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) http://t.co/Ko3noq82xo | Jul 13 21:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linux.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 21:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Two Django Vulnerabilities Fixed in Ubuntu OSes - Softpedia | Jul 13 21:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n45q1 | Jul 13 21:42 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @BuzztalkToday followed @tuxmachines | Jul 13 21:42 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/620698095702175744 | Jul 13 21:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz @ruskin147 Yes. Was thinking something like that... | Jul 13 21:57 | |
| r_schestowitz | Facebook will declare victory at the end, even if it "lost" (by silently complying by adding back doors) | Jul 13 21:57 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Steam for Linux Gets Multiple Updates in Just | Jul 13 22:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Two Weeks http://t.co/aNyku31OSf | Jul 13 22:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Steam for Linux Gets Multiple Updates in Just Two Weeks - Softpedia | Jul 13 22:03 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Alien: Isolation Might Arrive on Linux | Jul 13 22:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Alien: Isolation Might Arrive on Linux - Softpedia | Jul 13 22:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Dekko Native IMAP Email Client for Ubuntu Touch | Jul 13 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Shows Desktop Convergence | Jul 13 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/8Mk5YE9ZUO (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 22:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Dekko Native IMAP Email Client for Ubuntu Touch Shows Desktop Convergence - Softpedia | Jul 13 22:04 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Vendetta Online 1.8.344 MMORPG Has Better | Jul 13 22:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Anti-Aliasing Support for Intel GPUs | Jul 13 22:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/TRDBolaC70 (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 22:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Vendetta Online 1.8.344 MMORPG Has Better Anti-Aliasing Support for Intel GPUs - Softpedia | Jul 13 22:26 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Trinity Linux System Call Fuzz Tester | Jul 13 22:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Effectively Suspended http://t.co/adRm2JNwzs | Jul 13 22:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 22:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Trinity Linux System Call Fuzz Tester Effectively Suspended | Tux Machines | Jul 13 22:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n465i | Jul 13 22:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Ubuntu http://t.co/YkT3cXBmRM | Jul 13 22:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 22:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Ubuntu | Tux Machines | Jul 13 22:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n465j | Jul 13 22:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Review: SolydK 201506 http://t.co/k9JWrBUJEI | Jul 13 22:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dasublogbyprashanth.blogspot.co.uk | Das U-Blog by Prashanth: Review: SolydK 201506 | Jul 13 22:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (dasublogbyprashanth.blogspot.co.uk) | Jul 13 22:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n465k | Jul 13 22:26 |
| r_schestowitz | > One you might find interesting. | Jul 13 22:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jul 13 22:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/08/exxon-climate-change-1981-climate-denier-funding | Jul 13 22:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Exxon knew of climate change in 1981, email says – but it funded deniers for 27 more years | Environment | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/n2oel ] | Jul 13 22:31 | |
| r_schestowitz | Thanks, I've just shared it in some sites. | Jul 13 22:31 |
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| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Jul 14 01:00 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mangaka Is an Artful Blend of Simplicity and | Jul 14 03:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Style http://t.co/vaetmDd8zy | Jul 14 03:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 03:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n48zz | Jul 14 03:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mangaka Is an Artful Blend of Simplicity and Style | Tux Machines | Jul 14 03:38 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6311356 | Jul 14 06:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Papyros Linux Distro Uses a New Material Design Shell http://news.softpedia.com/news/papyros-linux-distro-uses-a-new-material-design-shell-486460.shtml | Jul 14 06:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Papyros Linux Distro Uses a New Material Design Shell - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/n3q2s ] | Jul 14 06:09 | |
| schestowitz | "What do computer pro’s have to do with this? I have more formal qualifications in the visual arts than in technology. Poor design is ugly, regardless of ones level of familiarity with technology." | Jul 14 06:09 |
| schestowitz | Your tweet | Jul 14 06:10 |
| schestowitz | "Over a decade ago I met in person a PGP developer (one of the key ones). Even before that many of my messages were encrypted." | Jul 14 06:10 |
| schestowitz | reminded me to tell you: please | Jul 14 06:11 |
| schestowitz | 1) set an expiration date (e.g. 2015-08-01) to your 1024-bit key | Jul 14 06:11 |
| schestowitz | 2) generate a new 4096-key | Jul 14 06:11 |
| schestowitz | Rationale: | Jul 14 06:11 |
| schestowitz | 1024 bit keys are considered to be weak. | Jul 14 06:11 |
| schestowitz | And your other key is quite old. | Jul 14 06:11 |
| schestowitz | no reply needed. | Jul 14 06:11 |
| schestowitz | Just act. | Jul 14 06:11 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ruskin147/status/620817521860608000 | Jul 14 06:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ruskin147: @SleepyPenguin1 @schestowitz this is total nonsense, Forbes rewrite of Express story. How are they going to pass this law "within weeks"? | Jul 14 06:23 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/620821579061194752 | Jul 14 06:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @ruskin147 @schestowitz Was wondering about that myself. | Jul 14 06:23 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch to Get Enhanced SMS Capabilities | Jul 14 06:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | with Next Update http://t.co/QFl34QyakO | Jul 14 06:56 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4aef | Jul 14 06:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch to Get Enhanced SMS Capabilities with Next Update | Tux Machines | Jul 14 06:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Unity 8's 3D Task Switcher for the Ubuntu | Jul 14 06:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Desktop Is Evolving http://t.co/Geg6jiSK9y | Jul 14 06:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 06:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Unity 8's 3D Task Switcher for the Ubuntu Desktop Is Evolving | Tux Machines | Jul 14 06:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4aeg | Jul 14 06:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GhostBSD 10.1 BETA2 now available | Jul 14 06:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/S3lpT9FmfD (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 06:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4aeh | Jul 14 06:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GhostBSD 10.1 BETA2 now available | Tux Machines | Jul 14 06:56 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agelatinouscube/status/620733668969938945 | Jul 14 11:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agelatinouscube: @SakuyaRed0 http://t.co/PBMhctFju8 | Jul 14 11:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Richard Stallman and Bruce Perens Defamed by Troll | Techrights | Jul 14 11:09 | |
| schestowitz | Lefty... | Jul 14 11:09 |
| schestowitz | still trolling | Jul 14 11:09 |
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| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Jul 14 11:14 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/620903387920527360 | Jul 14 11:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@readergordonbp: Appalling. https://t.co/vXLCcn4Pek | Jul 14 11:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Teenager handcuffed by #uk #police after giving £1 to a homeless man wins £5,000 pay out for unlawful detention http://t.co/Eij93wOXcA | Jul 14 11:35 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Vecchi_Paolo/status/620904480578514944 | Jul 14 11:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Vecchi_Paolo: @schestowitz Latest example from Microsoft here: https://t.co/t9axFnkzQv with my answer to it here: http://t.co/soMrAkpwlp (in Italian) | Jul 14 11:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.microsoft.com | A Pesaro l’Ufficio a Cielo Aperto: grazie a Microsoft al Comune di Pesaro lo Smart Working è una realtà | Microsoft News Center Italy | Jul 14 11:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.omnis-systems.com | Microsoft: a Pesaro i conti non tornano - Omnis Systems Srl - Distribuzione soluzioni basate su Open Source e Linux | Jul 14 11:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mangaka Is an Artful Blend of Simplicity and | Jul 14 12:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Style http://t.co/O3Qrb6eWYP | Jul 14 12:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.linuxinsider.com) | Jul 14 12:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxinsider.com | Mangaka Is an Artful Blend of Simplicity and Style | Reviews | LinuxInsider | Jul 14 12:07 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google may add doodle, emoji sharing between | Jul 14 12:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android Wear smartwatches | Jul 14 12:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/o44EFzZe9J (mashable.com) | Jul 14 12:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mashable.com | Google may add doodle, emoji sharing between Android Wear smartwatches | Jul 14 12:41 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Adam Williamson: Fedora 23 call for Test Days | Jul 14 12:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/DhSnouRM9H (www.happyassassin.net) | Jul 14 12:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://www.happyassassin.net/2015/07/10/fedora-23-call-for-test-days/ ) | Jul 14 12:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Chakra: KDE Applications 15.04.3 available | Jul 14 12:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/ipeuUFi0W4 (chakraos.org) | Jul 14 12:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4cyx | Jul 14 12:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chakraos.org | KDE Applications 15.04.3 available | Chakra | News | Jul 14 12:41 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6342577 | Jul 14 12:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google Photos keeps collecting your pictures even after you delete the Android apphttp://www.theverge.com/2015/7/14/8956945/google-photos-collecting-pictures-android-after-delete-app yep, I warned about this ages ago | Jul 14 12:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theverge.com | Google Photos keeps collecting your pictures even after you delete the Android app | The Verge [ http://ur1.ca/n4d2t ] | Jul 14 12:52 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/620926173774745600 | Jul 14 13:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: Dislike the bossy ways of their Windows app works. No check if I want to limit folders. Sulks & quits #allornothing https://t.co/ep2qjI6JaQ | Jul 14 13:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Google Photos keeps collecting your pictures even after you delete the Android http://t.co/sIPktLC7da ... https://t.co/hGIvajjFLF | Jul 14 13:03 | |
| r_schestowitz | Why use Windows? | Jul 14 13:03 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/620927209310715905 | Jul 14 13:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz touché! Ah, the woes of a "work" environment, even if I'm co-owner😪. Working on other co-owners to switch to #linux #takestime | Jul 14 13:08 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/osrin/status/620927479126036480 | Jul 14 13:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@osrin: @schestowitz will that worry them? | Jul 14 13:11 | |
| r_schestowitz | it already does, to a degree | Jul 14 13:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines HP 455 G3 Ubuntu laptop - Linux on a budget | Jul 14 13:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/EmpgnFW6Zt (www.techworld.com) | Jul 14 13:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techworld.com | HP 455 G3 Ubuntu laptop - Linux on a budget: Budget Laptops Review | Techworld | Jul 14 13:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Diving into Android M: what else is new in | Jul 14 13:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Preview 2? http://t.co/x104lt3FKt | Jul 14 13:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.androidauthority.com) | Jul 14 13:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com | Diving into Android M: what else is new in Preview 2? | Jul 14 13:15 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines HP 455 G3 Ubuntu laptop - Linux on a budget | Jul 14 13:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/0PL4YGaMPH (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 13:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | HP 455 G3 Ubuntu laptop - Linux on a budget | Tux Machines | Jul 14 13:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME Foundation AGM 2015 | Jul 14 13:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/a0iuuPVOPQ (permalink.gmane.org) | Jul 14 13:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | "Annual General Meeting...at the Folkets Hus | Jul 14 13:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-permalink.gmane.org | GNOME Foundation AGM 2015 | Jul 14 13:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | [2] in Gothenburg, Sweden." | Jul 14 13:25 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Albion Online Summer Alpha On Linux! | Jul 14 13:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/FBAHJTdGiO (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Jul 14 13:25 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Albion Online Summer Alpha On Linux! | GamingOnLinux | Jul 14 13:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Steam made easy on fedora | Jul 14 13:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/MsdfhQoWcb (negativo17.org) | Jul 14 13:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4dcj | Jul 14 13:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-negativo17.org | Steam made easy | negativo17 | Jul 14 13:26 | |
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| msb__ | MinceR: Hi! Please tell me what you mean by "ricer"? I thought it was a food grater. | Jul 14 14:28 |
| MinceR | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ricer | Jul 14 14:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.urbandictionary.com | Urban Dictionary: ricer [ http://ur1.ca/n4dw1 ] | Jul 14 14:29 | |
| MinceR | or '5.' under https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ricer | Jul 14 14:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | ricer - Wiktionary | Jul 14 14:30 | |
| msb__ | " <MinceR> of course it's still an attractive target to ricers" | Jul 14 14:30 |
| MinceR | i find their extreme emphasis on making boot allegedly faster at the cost of making it unreliable ludicrous and pointless | Jul 14 14:31 |
| msb__ | Got it -- mods that make the thing worse. Thanks! | Jul 14 14:32 |
| cubexyz | *nix should be modular | Jul 14 14:39 |
| cubexyz | if one doesn't like bash there's ash, csh, ksh etc | Jul 14 14:40 |
| cubexyz | but you should be able to swap one component out and put in it's replacement seamlessly | Jul 14 14:40 |
| cubexyz | I don't think that's the case with systemd | Jul 14 14:41 |
| msb__ | Sure, just swap out systemd and Linux, and put in Windows. | Jul 14 14:42 |
| msb__ | Swap out your brain and put in an overripe cantaloupe. | Jul 14 14:43 |
| cubexyz | honestly I don't think there's many folks who are returning to windows | Jul 14 14:43 |
| cubexyz | I've heard of some going from Linux to Mac OS X | Jul 14 14:44 |
| msb__ | Maybe when Linux turns further to shit they will. | Jul 14 14:44 |
| msb__ | When the whole thing is incorporated into systemd, apps and all. | Jul 14 14:44 |
| msb__ | And it forces you to use a DE that's designed for a 4-inch screen. | Jul 14 14:45 |
| XRevan86 | > And it forces you to use a DE that's designed for a 4-inch screen | Jul 14 14:45 |
| XRevan86 | I don't get it. | Jul 14 14:45 |
| cubexyz | http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#GNU.2FLinux_distributions | Jul 14 14:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-without-systemd.org | Without Systemd [ http://ur1.ca/jrovf ] | Jul 14 14:46 | |
| cubexyz | not to mention Minix, OpenBSD, Haiku, Plan9 etc etc | Jul 14 14:46 |
| msb__ | The govt will do a false-flag terror attack using desktop Linux, which will then be made a crime to use. | Jul 14 14:46 |
| msb__ | Them too. | Jul 14 14:47 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: Why bother? Just enforce Secure Boot. | Jul 14 14:47 |
| cubexyz | all the governments of the world? I think not :) | Jul 14 14:47 |
| cubexyz | the genie is out of the bottle now and has been for some time | Jul 14 14:48 |
| msb__ | Just the allies of the US -- England, France, Germany, Israel | Jul 14 14:48 |
| msb__ | and of course Canada | Jul 14 14:48 |
| msb__ | All ISPs will be required to send a crypto message to each user, to which only Windows can respond. Without a correct response, the user is disconnected, and a swat team sent to his home. | Jul 14 14:50 |
| cubexyz | except some of the ISPs run BSD | Jul 14 14:50 |
| cubexyz | my own ISP does | Jul 14 14:50 |
| msb__ | As he will be considered a terrorist, they will shoot on sight. | Jul 14 14:50 |
| cubexyz | in Canada we still have freenets: | Jul 14 14:51 |
| cubexyz | http://www.ncf.ca | Jul 14 14:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ncf.ca | National Capital FreeNet, Ottawa's not-for-profit internet provider (ISP) | Jul 14 14:52 | |
| cubexyz | but definitely we should keep an eye on things | Jul 14 14:53 |
| msb__ | A person using Linux will send out a virus causing screen strobing that makes everyone in the country throw up. Using Linux will be punishable by death, like smoking pot. | Jul 14 14:54 |
| MinceR | as time passes, the difference between systemd/Linux and windows decreases | Jul 14 14:55 |
| msb__ | Plan 9 From Outer Space: "Greetings, my friend. We are all interested in the future, for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. And remember my friend, future events such as these will affect you in the future. " | Jul 14 14:56 |
| cubexyz | msb__, my understanding is that 23 states have legal medical marijuana | Jul 14 14:56 |
| cubexyz | just like we do in Canada | Jul 14 14:57 |
| MinceR | redcrap is probably planning to kill unix | Jul 14 14:57 |
| cubexyz | they can't | Jul 14 14:57 |
| MinceR | m$ is probably waiting for them to do so, so the time will be right to revoke the certificate they sold to redcrap | Jul 14 14:58 |
| cubexyz | I have at least 100 distros on CD and DVD | Jul 14 14:58 |
| MinceR | doesn't stop them and their followers from trying everything they can, though | Jul 14 14:58 |
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| msb__ | That is something I don't understand, since the US govt knew in the 1960s that cannabis was helping people to see through govt propaganda. | Jul 14 14:58 |
| cubexyz | could Redhat "kill" AIX? Of course not | Jul 14 14:59 |
| MinceR | aix will probably die on its own | Jul 14 14:59 |
| MinceR | has ibm sold it off yet? | Jul 14 14:59 |
| msb__ | Which led to huge protests that stopped the attacks on Vietnam. | Jul 14 14:59 |
| msb__ | I hope the medical marijuana they sell is not GMO and rots the brain. | Jul 14 15:00 |
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| msb__ | Plan 9 is a very funny movie! | Jul 14 15:02 |
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| cubexyz | there's an old AIX that can run on PS/2's | Jul 14 15:03 |
| cubexyz | probably clone 386's as well | Jul 14 15:03 |
| cubexyz | IBM killed that off in 1995 | Jul 14 15:03 |
| cubexyz | nowadays it runs on POWER7 | Jul 14 15:04 |
| msb__ | http://thelastamericanvagabond.com/Cannabis_GMO.php | Jul 14 15:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thelastamericanvagabond.com | Cannabis | GMO [ http://ur1.ca/n4e7o ] | Jul 14 15:08 | |
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| cubexyz | you can actually run a true Unix SysV open source Unix with OpenSXCE and Illumos | Jul 14 15:10 |
| msb__ | http://forum.grasscity.com/advanced-growing-techniques/1262286-terminator-gene.html | Jul 14 15:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forum.grasscity.com | Terminator Gene - Advanced Growing Techniques [ http://ur1.ca/n4e8d ] | Jul 14 15:11 | |
| cubexyz | it evolved like this: Unix SVR4 -> OpenSolaris -> Illumos, OpenSXCE | Jul 14 15:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines An Awesome Developer Response To A Comment On | Jul 14 15:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | The Linux Version Being A Waste Of Time | Jul 14 15:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/UGn7MeLrBI (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Jul 14 15:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4e8p | Jul 14 15:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | An Awesome Developer Response To A Comment On The Linux Version Being A Waste Of Time | GamingOnLinux | Jul 14 15:12 | |
| msb__ | cubexyz: Yes, _you_ will always be able to run some kind of Unix. As long as you don't connect to the Net. | Jul 14 15:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "Legend Of Grimrock has sadly been unplayable | Jul 14 15:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | for anyone on Linux with an #Nvidia 900 series | Jul 14 15:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | chip" https://t.co/C54SEFUYH2 | Jul 14 15:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Jul 14 15:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Legend Of Grimrock Now Playable Again On Linux For Nvidia 900 Series | GamingOnLinux | Jul 14 15:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Lava Android One 2.0 Set for Release in India | Jul 14 15:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | This Week; What we Know so Far on Google's | Jul 14 15:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Affordable Nexus Phone http://t.co/v3mQHGS1r8 | Jul 14 15:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.ibtimes.co.in) | Jul 14 15:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.co.in | Lava Android One 2.0 Set for Release in India This Week; What we Know so Far on Google's Affordable Nexus Phone | Jul 14 15:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4e8t | Jul 14 15:12 |
| MinceR | as long as the government doesn't find out you have a general-purpose computer :> | Jul 14 15:12 |
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| msb__ | Right. It has to keep sending out the signal that says, "I'm just a wristwatch." | Jul 14 15:13 |
| cubexyz | on one hand you're worried about Linux but a attack on general computing is way worse | Jul 14 15:15 |
| msb__ | "And my owner is a Republican." | Jul 14 15:15 |
| msb__ | We'll just have to sneak in Raspberry-Pi boards from North Korea and Iran. | Jul 14 15:16 |
| cubexyz | if I was dependent on Brand Systems I might be a bit worried | Jul 14 15:17 |
| cubexyz | but I have at least a dozen x86 boxes running Linux or BSD | Jul 14 15:17 |
| cubexyz | Raspberry PI doesn't run windows | Jul 14 15:18 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: Shh! First they'll make you register them... | Jul 14 15:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Openmandriva – a brief review | Jul 14 15:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Jwia1A6zwM | Jul 14 15:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nwrickert2.wordpress.com | Openmandriva – a brief review | Thoughts on computing | Jul 14 15:18 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Allen Day Elected to GNOME Foundation Board of | Jul 14 15:18 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Directors https://t.co/NnNdGCbbKS | Jul 14 15:18 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Systemd – What You Need to Know | Jul 14 15:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/yqNQT0HUue | Jul 14 15:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.maketecheasier.com) | Jul 14 15:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Systemd - What You Need to Know - Make Tech Easier | Jul 14 15:18 | |
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| msb__ | Unix is the direct cause of vomiterrorism! | Jul 14 15:20 |
| cubexyz | think about how many computers get chucked out for almost no reason at all | Jul 14 15:20 |
| cubexyz | all candidate Linux boxes | Jul 14 15:20 |
| msb__ | Sounds like a fun business. Make about 8 good ones out of 10 trashed ones, just by board swapping. | Jul 14 15:21 |
| msb__ | Maybe 6 or 7. | Jul 14 15:22 |
| msb__ | Probably a lot of good disk drives thrown out just because they're too small. 200GB | Jul 14 15:24 |
| cubexyz | I had an odd moment in a comptuer store a few months ago | Jul 14 15:25 |
| cubexyz | I asked for an IDE drive and the person didn't know what I was talking about :) | Jul 14 15:26 |
| cubexyz | good thing I didn't ask for a SCSI-1 drive | Jul 14 15:26 |
| msb__ | They would have called for the guys in white coats with butterfly nets. | Jul 14 15:28 |
| msb__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsCyC1dZiN8 | Jul 14 15:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Jethro Tull - Living In The Past 1969 - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/8etal ] | Jul 14 15:30 | |
| cubexyz | love the hair :) | Jul 14 15:32 |
| cubexyz | did you know about Jethro Tull the agriculturist? | Jul 14 15:34 |
| msb__ | He had pretty good hair too! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jethro_Tull_%28agriculturist%29 | Jul 14 15:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Jethro Tull (agriculturist) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/n4ehp ] | Jul 14 15:36 | |
| cubexyz | haha | Jul 14 15:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Semplice Linux 7 and the vera desktop | Jul 14 15:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/dNBtAnLexQ (distrowatch.com) | Jul 14 15:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. | Jul 14 15:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Why Linux is More Practical Than OS X | Jul 14 15:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/lMwnfxXniY (www.datamation.com) | Jul 14 15:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datamation.com | Why Linux is More Practical Than OS X - Datamation | Jul 14 15:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "485 out of 500 systems were using Linux" | Jul 14 15:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/rpKpfJKQuZ (www.serverwatch.com) | Jul 14 15:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.serverwatch.com | Supercomputing Power Stagnates as Tianhe-2's Speed Remains Unchallenged | Jul 14 15:37 | |
| cubexyz | datamation is running Microsoft ads :-/ | Jul 14 15:40 |
| MinceR | written by bruce byfield or otherwise? | Jul 14 15:40 |
| cubexyz | this article is written by Matt Hartley | Jul 14 15:40 |
| cubexyz | seems to be pro-Linux | Jul 14 15:41 |
| cubexyz | there's like at least 4 Microsoft ads on my screen | Jul 14 15:42 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi retweeted @tuxmachines: '"485 out of 500 systems were using Linux"...' | Jul 14 15:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @RamiSilawi .@tuxmachines That's 97% using #linux :) | Jul 14 15:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/n5eVKeHdRT | Jul 14 15:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4ek7 | Jul 14 15:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamiSilawi: .@tuxmachines That's 97% using #linux :) http://t.co/n5eVKeHdRT | Jul 14 15:43 | |
| msb__ | cubexyz: are you running AdBlock? | Jul 14 15:44 |
| cubexyz | no | Jul 14 15:44 |
| cubexyz | I don't mind some ads | Jul 14 15:44 |
| cubexyz | I'll just run dillo on this URL | Jul 14 15:46 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/620969502352781313 | Jul 14 15:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @schestowitz indeed, shows how low we've sunk | Jul 14 15:55 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/620970951002488833 | Jul 14 16:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @schestowitz yeah, strange that | Jul 14 16:03 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620971085576716288 https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620971155390918656 | Jul 14 16:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz Difficult merges often point out a faulty breakdown into modules, or poor team communication. | Jul 14 16:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz In short, I'm not surprised students would find this hard; they haven't learned how to do it well yet. | Jul 14 16:04 | |
| r_schestowitz | there is a learning curve | Jul 14 16:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux-friendly EtherCAT controller expands via | Jul 14 16:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | PCIe http://t.co/kJnH7Jzatc (linuxgizmos.com) | Jul 14 16:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Linux-friendly EtherCAT controller expands via PCIe · LinuxGizmos.com | Jul 14 16:12 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @ducbook followed @tuxmachines | Jul 14 16:12 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/mikloshvanEgan/status/620974343619760128 | Jul 14 16:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mikloshvanEgan: #Austerity-#Festival begins: Because in the #End, The #Evil relies on its #Victim's #Sanctions #Greece now, #EU next https://t.co/SzQcuJcXX6 | Jul 14 16:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #greece is being collectively punished because if it shuns #austerity and this succeed it'll make others follow. Like socialism in Lat Am. | Jul 14 16:15 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/OrterF/status/620976921267073024 | Jul 14 16:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@OrterF: #Austerity-#Festival begins: Because in the #End, The #Evil relies on its #Victim's #Sanctions #Greece now, #EU ne… https://t.co/kI76RxUH5M | Jul 14 16:24 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620977310511034368 | Jul 14 16:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz Yeah and later on we call it "experience" ;-) | Jul 14 16:29 | |
| r_schestowitz | Cellphone gen hasn't got patience for that.. they don't even type entire words | Jul 14 16:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Development of the nOS Linux Distribution Has | Jul 14 16:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Stopped http://t.co/R6FPOQ4SYi | Jul 14 16:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 14 16:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Development of the nOS Linux Distribution Has Stopped - Softpedia | Jul 14 16:31 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines You Can Now Install Most of the Ubuntu Touch | Jul 14 16:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Core Apps on Your Ubuntu Desktop | Jul 14 16:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | You Can Now Install Most of the Ubuntu Touch Core Apps on Your Ubuntu Desktop - Softpedia | Jul 14 16:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Companies Most Active On The Systemd | Jul 14 16:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mailing List http://t.co/BmpFMLQuF0 | Jul 14 16:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Jul 14 16:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | The Companies Most Active On The Systemd Mailing List - Phoronix | Jul 14 16:32 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: KDE http://t.co/jRXx64gRly | Jul 14 16:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 16:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: KDE | Tux Machines | Jul 14 16:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Development of the nOS Linux Distribution Has | Jul 14 16:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Stopped http://t.co/nzUUG742RK | Jul 14 16:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 16:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Development of the nOS Linux Distribution Has Stopped | Tux Machines | Jul 14 16:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How to win the copyleft fight—without | Jul 14 16:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | litigation http://t.co/hYrEhKogX7 | Jul 14 16:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 16:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4f29 | Jul 14 16:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to win the copyleft fight—without litigation | Tux Machines | Jul 14 16:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines You Can Now Install Most of the Ubuntu Touch | Jul 14 16:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Core Apps on Your Ubuntu Desktop | Jul 14 16:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/9axlamm3wu (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 16:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4f2a | Jul 14 16:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | You Can Now Install Most of the Ubuntu Touch Core Apps on Your Ubuntu Desktop | Tux Machines | Jul 14 16:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Companies Most Active On The Systemd | Jul 14 16:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mailing List http://t.co/uHIXkKWUnF | Jul 14 16:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 16:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Companies Most Active On The Systemd Mailing List | Tux Machines | Jul 14 16:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4f7j | Jul 14 16:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus OS Now Boots in 3.5 Seconds | Jul 14 16:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/rvSkxKqTDz (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 14 16:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4f7m | Jul 14 16:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Solus OS Now Boots in 3.5 Seconds - Softpedia | Jul 14 16:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Here Is Why The Linux 4.2 Kernel Is Messing Up | Jul 14 16:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | On Some Ubuntu Systems http://t.co/E97QDM2McM | Jul 14 16:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Jul 14 16:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4f7n | Jul 14 16:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Here Is Why The Linux 4.2 Kernel Is Messing Up On Some Ubuntu Systems - Phoronix | Jul 14 16:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How to get systems administrators and | Jul 14 16:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | developers to agree with Docker | Jul 14 16:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/GgSQNB4eek (opensource.com) | Jul 14 16:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4fao | Jul 14 16:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com | Docker knows how to win over developers and sysadmins | Opensource.com | Jul 14 16:53 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @KelinZakhar favourited 'How to get systems administrators and developers to...' | Jul 14 16:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New Media Player in the Works for Ubuntu Touch | Jul 14 17:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to Replace Grooveshark http://t.co/5JCeeMpt7E | Jul 14 17:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 14 17:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | New Media Player in the Works for Ubuntu Touch to Replace Grooveshark - Softpedia | Jul 14 17:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4fkm | Jul 14 17:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE 15.10 Drops Desktop Cube as Default | Jul 14 17:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | for Compiz, for Now http://t.co/C2CoG6DfKN | Jul 14 17:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 14 17:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4fkn | Jul 14 17:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu MATE 15.10 Drops Desktop Cube as Default for Compiz, for Now - Softpedia | Jul 14 17:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux AIO Gathers All the Fedora 22 Live CDs | Jul 14 17:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | into a Single ISO Image http://t.co/RgODO1hbha | Jul 14 17:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 14 17:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4fkp | Jul 14 17:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux AIO Gathers All the Fedora 22 Live CDs into a Single ISO Image - Softpedia | Jul 14 17:21 | |
| r_schestowitz | > Mohd Sohail sent a message using the contact form at http://www.tuxmachines.org/contact. | Jul 14 17:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Contact | Tux Machines | Jul 14 17:31 | |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jul 14 17:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > I've been facing problems with Spam filter. Whenever I submit any story I get an error saying I've typed capatcha correctly (I type correctly). When I resubmit it after retyping capatcha it says "You have triggered spam filter. Your story will not be submitted.". Please solve this issue ASAP. | Jul 14 17:31 |
| r_schestowitz | 2 people reported this issue to me before. I thought it got resolved, but I guess I was wrong. Do you submit as blog or news? I reported this issue to mollon and at one point I thought that maybe mollom cache error was to blame. How many times did this happen? Only today? Thanks for reporting this, I am eager to get to the bottom of it. | Jul 14 17:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New Manjaro Linux Update Brings the Latest AMD | Jul 14 17:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Catalyst Drivers, Linux Kernel 4.1.2 | Jul 14 17:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/DuCBPgMPLU (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 14 17:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4frq | Jul 14 17:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | New Manjaro Linux Update Brings the Latest AMD Catalyst Drivers, Linux Kernel 4.1.2 - Softpedia | Jul 14 17:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines SystemRescueCd 4.5.4 Moves to Linux Kernels | Jul 14 17:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 3.14.48 and 3.18.18 LTS | Jul 14 17:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/b43DjP3Bu3 (linux.softpedia.com) | Jul 14 17:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4frr | Jul 14 17:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | SystemRescueCd 4.5.4 Moves to Linux Kernels 3.14.48 and 3.18.18 LTS - Softpedia | Jul 14 17:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Ubuntu http://t.co/ZSlxA5bXPQ | Jul 14 17:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 17:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4fru | Jul 14 17:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Ubuntu | Tux Machines | Jul 14 17:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux AIO Gathers All the Fedora 22 Live CDs | Jul 14 17:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | into a Single ISO Image http://t.co/lBS6ysvR7c | Jul 14 17:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 17:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4fx5 | Jul 14 17:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux AIO Gathers All the Fedora 22 Live CDs into a Single ISO Image | Tux Machines | Jul 14 17:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines SUSE and ARM http://t.co/1Ce1U9whkI | Jul 14 17:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 17:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4fx6 | Jul 14 17:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SUSE and ARM | Tux Machines | Jul 14 17:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New Manjaro Linux Update Brings the Latest AMD | Jul 14 17:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Catalyst Drivers, Linux Kernel 4.1.2 | Jul 14 17:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/ncjdBY02wR (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 17:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4fx8 | Jul 14 17:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | New Manjaro Linux Update Brings the Latest AMD Catalyst Drivers, Linux Kernel 4.1.2 | Tux Machines | Jul 14 17:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines SystemRescueCd 4.5.4 Moves to Linux Kernels | Jul 14 17:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 3.14.48 and 3.18.18 LTS http://t.co/qImEBHGynb | Jul 14 17:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 17:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4fx9 | Jul 14 17:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SystemRescueCd 4.5.4 Moves to Linux Kernels 3.14.48 and 3.18.18 LTS | Tux Machines | Jul 14 17:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New Media Player in the Works for Ubuntu Touch | Jul 14 17:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by to Replace Grooveshark http://t.co/5JCeeMpt7E | Jul 14 17:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tokvbok (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 14 17:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | New Media Player in the Works for Ubuntu Touch to Replace Grooveshark - Softpedia | Jul 14 17:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4fxa | Jul 14 17:55 |
| cubexyz | Stallman may have to start talking about the "Five Freedoms" | Jul 14 18:16 |
| cubexyz | Freedom Five: The freedom to choose your own init system | Jul 14 18:16 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I already see how to exploit it. | Jul 14 18:17 |
| XRevan86 | "rice": Revan's Init System. | Jul 14 18:18 |
| XRevan86 | on Python with PyQt5 | Jul 14 18:18 |
| XRevan86 | + gobject-introspection to fetch GStreamer | Jul 14 18:19 |
| XRevan86 | (to play a greeting sound after the startup) | Jul 14 18:19 |
| cubexyz | there's talk of a hidden agenda to take over everything | Jul 14 18:20 |
| cubexyz | sounds paranoid I know | Jul 14 18:20 |
| cubexyz | but I just want to pick my own init system | Jul 14 18:21 |
| r_schestowitz | getting hard | Jul 14 18:21 |
| r_schestowitz | unless you use a marginal system | Jul 14 18:21 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Will you support my petition to get "rice" support in Devuan? :) | Jul 14 18:21 |
| XRevan86 | after I write it of course | Jul 14 18:21 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, sure | Jul 14 18:21 |
| cubexyz | more choice is better | Jul 14 18:21 |
| cubexyz | I can cite several non-systemd distros | Jul 14 18:22 |
| XRevan86 | It won't support initscripts so they'll have to make init service for rice from stratch :D | Jul 14 18:22 |
| r_schestowitz | agreed | Jul 14 18:22 |
| cubexyz | embedix (zaurus), bl3, fc1, quasijarus, void linux, vector linux, slackware, and a partridge in a pear tree :) | Jul 14 18:23 |
| cubexyz | openbsd | Jul 14 18:23 |
| XRevan86 | https://github.com/pocmo/Python-Brainfuck I even know on what languages rice's services will be written in. | Jul 14 18:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | pocmo/Python-Brainfuck · GitHub [ http://ur1.ca/n4g8n ] | Jul 14 18:23 | |
| cubexyz | antix | Jul 14 18:23 |
| cubexyz | I can keep going :) | Jul 14 18:23 |
| razielle_tzu | hmm... not used antix in a while | Jul 14 18:24 |
| cubexyz | Bell Labs Unix v1 through v10 | Jul 14 18:24 |
| cubexyz | Plan 9 | Jul 14 18:25 |
| razielle_tzu | might look into void and vector too thinking about it | Jul 14 18:25 |
| XRevan86 | Debian derivatives like Siduction and Crunchbang++ can easily be remade into Devuan derivatives. | Jul 14 18:26 |
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| razielle_tzu | i think i have a netbook runnig crunchbang, might be archbang though | Jul 14 18:26 |
| cubexyz | it's not like there isn't lots of choices | Jul 14 18:27 |
| razielle_tzu | i know | Jul 14 18:27 |
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| XRevan86 | razielle_tzu: How can you not know? | Jul 14 18:27 |
| razielle_tzu | it's been a while and i was manic when i installed it | Jul 14 18:27 |
| XRevan86 | crunchbang is like "apt update; aptitude full-upgrade", archbang is like "pacman -Suy" | Jul 14 18:27 |
| razielle_tzu | i've not had to use it in a few months | Jul 14 18:28 |
| XRevan86 | If it's crunchbang, port it to crunchbang++. | Jul 14 18:28 |
| razielle_tzu | i'll take a look later and port it if it's crunch | Jul 14 18:28 |
| razielle_tzu | trying to decide what to use on the other laptop i have on my desk, currently it is stock ubuntu but i feel like a change but don't want to use arch for another machine... i like variety | Jul 14 18:30 |
| XRevan86 | razielle_tzu: Try void linux. It's like Arch but not Arch. | Jul 14 18:30 |
| razielle_tzu | i'll add it to the list of possibilities, another one i was thinking about trying again was sabayon | Jul 14 18:31 |
| XRevan86 | I'd suggest openSUSE but I think that's dangerous here :D. | Jul 14 18:31 |
| razielle_tzu | lol | Jul 14 18:31 |
| XRevan86 | > sabayon | Jul 14 18:32 |
| XRevan86 | also Calculate Linux | Jul 14 18:32 |
| razielle_tzu | the last one i tried that wasn't my usual group was pclinuxos and i... wasn't a fan | Jul 14 18:32 |
| XRevan86 | pclinuxos is terrible | Jul 14 18:33 |
| XRevan86 | I didn't have a close look, but empty repos were enough. | Jul 14 18:33 |
| razielle_tzu | i booted it in a vm to try and help a friend troubleshoot a couple of things and after that i straight up deleted the entire vm, i didn't even just repurpose the hard drive files | Jul 14 18:34 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/darkstar-0.99-x11.png | Jul 14 18:35 |
| cubexyz | 64 megs is all you need | Jul 14 18:37 |
| razielle_tzu | cool | Jul 14 18:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE 15.10 Drops Desktop Cube as Default | Jul 14 18:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by for Compiz, for Now http://t.co/C2CoG6DfKN | Jul 14 18:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tokvbok (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 14 18:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu MATE 15.10 Drops Desktop Cube as Default for Compiz, for Now - Softpedia | Jul 14 18:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4gfg | Jul 14 18:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 14/7/2015: Android in Enterprise, TOP500 | Jul 14 18:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Has 486 on GNU/Linux http://t.co/xoSwDWExdy | Jul 14 18:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (techrights.org) | Jul 14 18:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4gfj | Jul 14 18:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/VTL90NuDlP | Jul 14 18:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 18:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4gfm | Jul 14 18:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/beEhJJEzP5 | Jul 14 18:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 14/7/2015: Android in Enterprise, TOP500 Has 486 on GNU/Linux | Techrights | Jul 14 18:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 18:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Jul 14 18:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4gfp | Jul 14 18:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 14 18:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The End of Adobe Flash? http://t.co/U7GXLpWs84 | Jul 14 18:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 18:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The End of Adobe Flash? | Tux Machines | Jul 14 18:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4gfr | Jul 14 18:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines $79 octacore hacker SBC runs Ubuntu and Android | Jul 14 18:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/JxwtCocpn4 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 18:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4gft | Jul 14 18:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | $79 octacore hacker SBC runs Ubuntu and Android | Tux Machines | Jul 14 18:41 | |
| cubexyz | back in 1985 we had this: | Jul 14 18:44 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/amigados-1.0.gif | Jul 14 18:45 |
| cubexyz | I thought it was so advanced at the time | Jul 14 18:45 |
| razielle_tzu | oh man amigados xD | Jul 14 18:45 |
| razielle_tzu | i never used anything prior to 2.something and the one i remember most is 3.0/3,1 | Jul 14 18:47 |
| cubexyz | we're coming up on the 30th anniversary of the Amiga | Jul 14 18:47 |
| razielle_tzu | i know | Jul 14 18:48 |
| cubexyz | honestly I don't use the amiga any more for work, haven't for a long time | Jul 14 18:53 |
| cubexyz | but I fire it up once a month for fun | Jul 14 18:53 |
| razielle_tzu | i would but one is still in storage and the other is at my mum's | Jul 14 18:56 |
| razielle_tzu | both A600s with about 300 floppies between them | Jul 14 18:56 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/amiga-with-joystick.jpg | Jul 14 18:56 |
| cubexyz | that's the plan 9 box on the left :) | Jul 14 18:57 |
| razielle_tzu | nice | Jul 14 19:05 |
| *cubexyz plays a mod file | Jul 14 19:07 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Unexpected end of ZLIB input stream ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Jul 14 19:23 | |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Maybe you know why this patch breaks everything: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/88b51266 ? :) | Jul 14 19:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paste.debian.net | Debian Pastezone | Jul 14 19:44 | |
| XRevan86 | Maybe AF_UNSPEC is not what I think it is. | Jul 14 19:46 |
| *MinceR plays mod files with audacious | Jul 14 19:54 | |
| MinceR | (possibly to be replaced by mpd) | Jul 14 19:54 |
| MinceR | 191624 < cubexyz> Stallman may have to start talking about the "Five Freedoms" | Jul 14 19:55 |
| MinceR | 191641 < cubexyz> Freedom Five: The freedom to choose your own init system | Jul 14 19:55 |
| MinceR | rms gave up his principles | Jul 14 19:55 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Fixed it, never mind. | Jul 14 20:01 |
| cubexyz | no one made a fuss when the mashey shell was invented | Jul 14 20:04 |
| cubexyz | the thompson shell was primitive, it made sense that someone would make a better shell | Jul 14 20:05 |
| cubexyz | but you could swap it out easy enough | Jul 14 20:06 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, stallman doesn't seem to care about systemd one way or the other from what I've read | Jul 14 20:07 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jul 14 20:07 |
| MinceR | and he should | Jul 14 20:07 |
| MinceR | still, it would be Freedom Four, as it's indexed from 0 | Jul 14 20:09 |
| cubexyz | ah that's true | Jul 14 20:09 |
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| cubexyz | one sysadmin's description of systemd: "a damn maze of BS" | Jul 14 21:10 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 14 21:13 |
| schestowitz | [just got some new info about EPO] | Jul 14 21:17 |
| schestowitz | me: I thought I was being sent a treasure. After numerous Thunderbird crashes (because Enigmail cannot deal too well with some edge cases) and some looking up on command-line recipes for pgp, installing pgp (not gpg) and some other stuff I finally managed to find just an attachment in the mail -- the image which I had access to and made a copy of the other day. I wonder if someone knows the story of why it got 'taken' down, seemingly at | Jul 14 21:17 |
| schestowitz | gunpoint (metaphorically speaking) as SUEPO isn't (yet) controlled by the EPO's thugs. Was there anything in this message except the PDF attachment? Did I miss something that explains the background of it? Either way, without anything confirmed I could only post speculative (and potentially defamatory) article about the deletion of the text. I still don't know what exactly managers at the EPO say about their exposers, I just know some crude | Jul 14 21:17 |
| schestowitz | actions that they take (after they get caught). | Jul 14 21:17 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/mu0WOYiIxX | Jul 14 21:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jul 14 21:36 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines $79 octacore hacker SBC runs Ubuntu and Android | Jul 14 21:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/92BdApPEXN (linuxgizmos.com) | Jul 14 21:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | $79 octacore hacker SBC runs Ubuntu and Android · LinuxGizmos.com | Jul 14 21:36 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6309800 | Jul 14 22:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 14 22:41 |
| schestowitz | innamon, Unity are based on Gnome. So 3 of 5 are actually the same. MATE is an old Gnome. 4 of 5 are Gnome. | Jul 14 22:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 5 Best Linux Desktop Environments With Pros & Cons http://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/5-best-linux-desktop-environments-with-pros-cons #gnu #linux | Jul 14 22:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.linuxandubuntu.com | 5 Best Linux Desktop Environments With Pros & Cons - LinuxAndUbuntu [ http://ur1.ca/n3x64 ] | Jul 14 22:41 | |
| schestowitz | I would like to see Enlightenment among these. | Jul 14 22:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 14 22:41 |
| schestowitz | "For me, the best DE is Crunchbang, though it’s a little out of date now. I’m eagerly awaiting Bunsen Labs." | Jul 14 22:41 |
| schestowitz | "you mean their customized openbox? then it’s not a DE. I also use some window manager, not DE, but this article is about complete DE’s." | Jul 14 22:42 |
| schestowitz | "By complete DE, you mean complete pile of shit? Openbox can do everything, the rest is just cruft ;-)" | Jul 14 22:42 |
| schestowitz | "I mean what is defined as DE, and by window manager I mean what is defined as wm, not less, not more." | Jul 14 22:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 14 22:42 |
| schestowitz | I mean what is defined as DE | Jul 14 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Sorry, I can’t see what is missing from #! by this definition? | Jul 14 22:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 14 22:42 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6309542 | Jul 14 22:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I trust #debian more than I trust #redhat (for security or bug doors) not because Red Hat means to harm but because of bad neighbourhood | Jul 14 22:43 | |
| schestowitz | |lol neighbourhood ? BTW I am not sure now where my trust lies more , Yes debian did debate a lot for the #systemd but the fact that it got bullied by RH devels who have the argument that they are the main paid devels upstream especially say gnome tells us the fact that trust or not the future lies with RH and its paid devels and debian just lies in the background. :(| | Jul 14 22:43 |
| schestowitz | the neighbourhood can affect one's behaviour | Jul 14 22:43 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6310020 | Jul 14 22:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: It has been a week now and #amazon still refuses to tell me where to send legal papers (to sue them for refusing to identify DDOS attacker) | Jul 14 22:44 | |
| schestowitz | "Find all the addresses you can and send them to each." | Jul 14 22:44 |
| schestowitz | I have another plan for pressuring them | Jul 14 22:44 |
| cubexyz | what, no tinywm? :) | Jul 14 22:45 |
| cubexyz | 58 lines of code | Jul 14 22:46 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/tinywm-1.3.png | Jul 14 22:47 |
| cubexyz | ok, for fancier wm I'll go icewm | Jul 14 22:48 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/openbsd-icewm.png | Jul 14 22:49 |
| cubexyz | one more: | Jul 14 22:54 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/vector-linux-icewm.png | Jul 14 22:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux still rules supercomputing | Jul 14 23:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/92BdApPEXN (linuxgizmos.com) | Jul 14 23:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | $79 octacore hacker SBC runs Ubuntu and Android · LinuxGizmos.com | Jul 14 23:29 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @voidquest44 favourited 'Linux still rules supercomputing http://t.co/92BdApPEXN' | Jul 14 23:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Five Linux desktop distributions with a great | Jul 14 23:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | future http://t.co/KHpCVfjAiD | Jul 14 23:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Five Linux desktop distributions with a great future | Tux Machines | Jul 14 23:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 Is Rebased on Linux Kernel 4.1, | Jul 14 23:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tracking of Linux Kernel 4.2 Continues | Jul 14 23:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 15.10 Is Rebased on Linux Kernel 4.1, Tracking of Linux Kernel 4.2 Continues | Tux Machines | Jul 14 23:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 12 Is Now | Jul 14 23:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Available for 64-bit ARM Processors | Jul 14 23:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 12 Is Now Available for 64-bit ARM Processors | Tux Machines | Jul 14 23:30 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Five Linux desktop distributions with a great | Jul 15 00:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by future http://t.co/KHpCVfjAiD | Jul 15 00:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @AcrosticPi (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 15 00:05 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @linuxaio favourited 'Linux AIO Gathers All the Fedora 22 Live...' | Jul 15 00:15 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 10 outstanding open source server tools | Jul 15 02:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 10 outstanding open source server tools | Tux Machines | Jul 15 02:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.18.18 LTS Is a Huge Release with | Jul 15 02:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Multiple ARM Fixes, Updated Drivers | Jul 15 02:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel 3.18.18 LTS Is a Huge Release with Multiple ARM Fixes, Updated Drivers | Tux Machines | Jul 15 02:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Canonical Closes libwmf Vulnerability In Ubuntu | Jul 15 02:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | OSes http://t.co/sfU8YLWbvM | Jul 15 02:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical Closes libwmf Vulnerability In Ubuntu OSes | Tux Machines | Jul 15 02:41 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6342406 | Jul 15 09:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Hacking Team's 'Project X' Wants To Spy on #Tor Users http://motherboard.vice.com/read/hacking-teams-project-x-wants-to-spy-on-tor-users thankfully we know what these criminals are (were) up to | Jul 15 09:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> motherboard.vice.com | Hacking Team's 'Project X' Wants To Spy on Tor Users | Motherboard [ http://ur1.ca/n42fs ] | Jul 15 09:13 | |
| schestowitz | "All the more reason to not use Tor Browser." | Jul 15 09:13 |
| schestowitz | "I’ve been using Tor Browser at the office and at home but at home it goes through Riseup’s VPN first. Still not a good idea?" | Jul 15 09:13 |
| schestowitz | "If you really want to be teh anon I suggest Whonix." | Jul 15 09:13 |
| schestowitz | Tails | Jul 15 09:13 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6337902 | Jul 15 09:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Gunmen cause scare"? Sounds like terror then. Use of fear, violence and hostage-taking. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/france-gunmen-take-hostages-in-primark-store-in-suburban-paris/ #cbs | Jul 15 09:15 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 15 09:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.cbsnews.com | France gunmen take hostages in Primark store in suburban Paris - CBS News [ http://ur1.ca/n4ntz ] | Jul 15 09:15 | |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brabant_killers | Jul 15 09:15 |
| schestowitz | It was suspected at the time, due to the build and the discipline of the “robbers”, that they were from the Gendarmerie or the Army, trying to create a climate which would favour a far-right government - Gladio, | Jul 15 09:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Brabant killers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/n4nu1 ] | Jul 15 09:15 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 15 09:15 |
| schestowitz | "Why rob a store at 6:30 a.m.? There’s nothing but the float in the cash machines.' | Jul 15 09:15 |
| schestowitz | 6:30 early enough to avoid some cops+guards, I suppose... | Jul 15 09:15 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6337897 | Jul 15 09:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Gunmen on the run" in #paris - again this year. But this time they were 'just' after money, so it's not terrorism... | Jul 15 09:28 | |
| schestowitz | "Entrepreneurs with initiative and audacity. Applause!" | Jul 15 09:28 |
| schestowitz | give them a scholarship... | Jul 15 09:28 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6302130 | Jul 15 09:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #france wants more #html5 - hopefully non-patented video formats and no #drm https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/node/144318 | Jul 15 09:33 | |
| schestowitz | "Could not find any mention of DRM in it…" | Jul 15 09:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> joinup.ec.europa.eu | France updates its web accessibility guidelines | Joinup | Jul 15 09:33 | |
| schestowitz | HTML5 has that in the specs, but it's not actively encouraged | Jul 15 09:33 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6309906 | Jul 15 09:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "GCC 5 the default compiler in Debian Unstable by month's end." http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Debian-GCC5-Unstable-Landing #gcc #gnu #debian | Jul 15 09:33 | |
| schestowitz | "Probably a push. A lot needs to be rebuilt for gcc5, in particular a lot of work for the C++ ABI change. Worth doing but getting it all done by end of month will be hard." | Jul 15 09:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.phoronix.com | Debian Will Soon Make GCC 5 Its Default Compiler - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/n4nzc ] | Jul 15 09:33 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6342319 | Jul 15 09:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Facebook's New Security Chief Calls On #Adobe To Kill #Flash http://www.tomshardware.com/news/alex-stamos-kill-flash-player,29576.html http://www.pcworld.com/article/2947381/how-to-disable-flash-player-why-nows-a-better-time-than-ever.html | Jul 15 09:37 | |
| schestowitz | "adobe should release a flash.js already" | Jul 15 09:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.tomshardware.com | Facebook's New Security Chief Calls On Adobe To Kill Flash [ http://ur1.ca/n4nzu ] | Jul 15 09:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.pcworld.com | How to disable Flash Player: Why now's a better time than ever | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/n4nzv ] | Jul 15 09:37 | |
| schestowitz | That would keep Flash around and some people depending on dangerous blobs | Jul 15 09:38 |
| schestowitz | Although Eich's work on ASM JS might be of use to them | Jul 15 09:38 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6336468 | Jul 15 10:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Two teen programmers talk about why they love Linux, love Google and don't hate Windows 10 http://www.businessinsider.in/Two-teen-programmers-talk-about-why-they-love-Linux-love-Google-and-dont-hate-Windows-10/articleshow/48043655.cms #gnu #linux | Jul 15 10:08 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 15 10:08 |
| schestowitz | It sounds like they hate Windows to me. Both complain of various performance problems and brokenness. Neither has Windows 10. One hopes they fix the brokenness and is afraid of privacy violations. The other uses is because they want to play games and use a non free video editor, but hates having to reinstall it yearly and will only upgrade when their current, perhaps school supplied, Windows 7 key expires. | Jul 15 10:08 |
| schestowitz | I’m impressed that a high school student is aware of privacy violations and considering ethical problems. That shows mature thought that’s rare in corporate media. | Jul 15 10:08 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 15 10:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.businessinsider.in | Two teen programmers talk about why they love Linux, love Google and don't hate Windows 10 | Business Insider India [ http://ur1.ca/n4o72 ] | Jul 15 10:08 | |
| schestowitz | it's an article from Julie Bort, a Microsoft booster, so a pro-Windows slant (about a version that's not even out yet) a must, with veiled endorsement from "Linux" | Jul 15 10:08 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/621245241568292864 | Jul 15 10:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: .@schestowitz in the beginning, yes—like every endeavor. However, enables choice…here is #Elvis vi-clone on ~ #RHEL 7 http://t.co/Q3T294BWgD | Jul 15 10:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6302096 | Jul 15 10:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The #uk Government doesn't understand terrorism — and it's making things worse http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-government-doesnt-understand-terrorism--and-its-making-things-worse-10367519.html "McCarthyite anxiety" | Jul 15 10:12 | |
| schestowitz | "Yes they do, how else can they justify the tax dollars spent on spying on you." | Jul 15 10:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.independent.co.uk | The Government doesn't understand terrorism — and it's making things worse - Comment - Voices - The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/n4o84 ] | Jul 15 10:12 | |
| schestowitz | True for drones... | Jul 15 10:13 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6316549 | Jul 15 10:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Some dude in the sauna today asked me if I was a spy. Odd. I haven't been asked this kind of question in almost a decade and it's BS. | Jul 15 10:14 | |
| schestowitz | "Would it have something to do with those jerks at the EPO or their hired goons at Control Risks? I suppose you will know for sure when someone hacks their email." | Jul 15 10:14 |
| schestowitz | My E-mails go through Telehouse in London, so they could scan it all with secret documents. I wouldn't know it.... | Jul 15 10:15 |
| msb__ | . | Jul 15 10:18 |
| msb__ | New TV series _Zoo_ on CBS. 3rd episode shown last night (Tuesday). Animals fed up with being preyed upon by humans are now attacking us. Looks pretty good. | Jul 15 10:20 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6335232 | Jul 15 10:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Spy on 6.7 billion people (NSA), worry about 21 million http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/feds-hack-affected-million-people/article_2d055ad7-0095-5ec6-9304-c55e3eb613b8.html http://www.myfoxal.com/story/29524412/ua-cyber-security-expert-and-former-longtime-cia-officer-breaks-down-big-goverment-data-breach-affecting-millions | Jul 15 10:23 | |
| schestowitz | "Who worries about those 21 million? Not me, hard to feel sympathy." | Jul 15 10:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.santafenewmexican.com | Feds: Hack affected 21.5 million people - The Santa Fe New Mexican: News [ http://ur1.ca/n4oax ] | Jul 15 10:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.myfoxal.com | UA Cyber security expert and former longtime CIA officer breaks - MyFoxAL.com - FOX6 WBRC Birmingham, AL [ http://ur1.ca/n4oay ] | Jul 15 10:23 | |
| schestowitz | Whose government spies on billions | Jul 15 10:23 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6309428 | Jul 15 10:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The "I" in #iphone http://www.cultofmac.com/328359/future-iphones-could-be-unlocked-with-a-selfie/ http://www.ubergizmo.com/2015/07/iphone-unlock-selfie-patent/ snobs looking at themselves | Jul 15 10:24 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.cultofmac.com | Future iPhones could be unlocked with a selfie [ http://ur1.ca/n4ob6 ] | Jul 15 10:24 | |
| schestowitz | "lol … after the fingerprint stolen, the selfie. What if, after a big fight and your face is hurt or worse, you want to unlock your Ithing to call police or hospital ?" | Jul 15 10:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.ubergizmo.com | Future iPhones Could Unlock By Taking A Selfie | Ubergizmo [ http://ur1.ca/n4ob7 ] | Jul 15 10:24 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621250016514945024 | Jul 15 10:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz @norwind Now there's a good indication the #Snowden leaks contain both mis/disinformation. Only for the most gullible this one | Jul 15 10:53 | |
| schestowitz | Please can you elaborate? | Jul 15 10:54 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/621252412255404032 | Jul 15 10:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz A 2lb engineering hammer can fix most things. Even winduhs servers.... | Jul 15 10:55 | |
| schestowitz | Depends what we mean by "fix" | Jul 15 10:55 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/621253254161301504 | Jul 15 10:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz ROTFLMAO! | Jul 15 10:56 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/621256105398657025 | Jul 15 10:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: "Akin to running #gnu #linux under proprietary…" @Azure? https://t.co/s1ULlJtCLJ #cloud #fail https://t.co/IvVTAzZJDV | Jul 15 10:56 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Using #tor on top of #windows (not #tails for example) a dangerous compromise. Akin to running #gnu #linux under proprietary #hyperv | Jul 15 10:56 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Greekstudent12/status/621257904469872640 | Jul 15 11:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Greekstudent12: #StopTTIP http://t.co/wcPKY7QLsd #ISDS #privatisation #GreeceCrisis #ThisIsACoup #goldmansachs #Canada #eurozone https://t.co/mNx574pSUP | Jul 15 11:04 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: U.S. firm sues #Canada for $10.5 billion over water http://t.co/kvRtXoVWSB preview of #isds madness? | Jul 15 11:04 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621258177426796544 https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621258407819935744 | Jul 15 11:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz Ok, it's very easy to feed encrypted content into a supercomputer, the wait for decryption is not a struggle at all @norwind | Jul 15 11:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz Other than OTP, the maximum wait time for the highest grade of military (not publicly available) encryption is 30 days @norwind | Jul 15 11:04 | |
| schestowitz | 1. it's expensive to do. 2. PGP keys get longer | Jul 15 11:04 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621258922339381248 | Jul 15 11:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz All PGP really does is inhibits the scanning of large packets of unencrypted comms for keywords @norwind | Jul 15 11:05 | |
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| schestowitz | That's like saying no encryption can ever work | Jul 15 11:05 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6310160 | Jul 15 11:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The only so-called 'cloud' that might be reasonable to use http://www.linuxveda.com/2015/07/07/owncloud-8-1-arrives-end-user-admin-improvements/ | Jul 15 11:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.linuxveda.com | ownCloud 8.1 arrives with end user and admin improvements - Linux Veda [ http://ur1.ca/n3xfr ] | Jul 15 11:06 | |
| schestowitz | ""I did’t think so. I may be wrong though. | Jul 15 11:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 15 11:06 |
| schestowitz | Connects to KDE Kontact and the relates parts of this suite, e.g. Kmail with Akonadi | Jul 15 11:06 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621259451731828736 | Jul 15 11:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz And, as every country with SIGINT capacity, & those advised by them, is aware of this, the disinfo is 4 the gullible @norwind | Jul 15 11:07 | |
| schestowitz | We cannot assume everything to be disinfo. | Jul 15 11:07 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621259666903830530 | Jul 15 11:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz SIGINT agencies like NSA and GCHQ are packed with expensive supercomputers for this specific task @norwind | Jul 15 11:08 | |
| schestowitz | Expensive and not always feasible. | Jul 15 11:08 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621259894549680129 | Jul 15 11:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz No it isn't. Properly utilised OTP is unbreakable and in the future quantum encryption is likely to be also @norwind | Jul 15 11:08 | |
| schestowitz | quantom mostly a buzzword for them. It's down to brute force and cost. | Jul 15 11:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621260176566267904 | Jul 15 11:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz However, this part clearly is. No SIGINT agency anywhere struggles to crack PGP @norwind | Jul 15 11:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621260890508263424 | Jul 15 11:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz A baby could feed an encrypted email into a SIGINT supercomputer and conduct the requisite waiting period @norwind | Jul 15 11:12 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621260555521626112 | Jul 15 11:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz That is only true for law enforcement agencies, who struggle to access to SIGINT infrastructure @norwind | Jul 15 11:12 | |
| schestowitz | Better tell that to spies, who apparently cannot ever and could never communicate securely... | Jul 15 11:13 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621261192661577728 | Jul 15 11:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz No we haven't, but we have gained an education into what it can actually do, which is buy time and defeat keyword scanning | Jul 15 11:13 | |
| schestowitz | I see now, based on your profile, that you are in the anti-Wikileaks camp, so I must be wasting my time here | Jul 15 11:14 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621261390464966656 | Jul 15 11:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz this is misinformation. as anybody reading the tweet conversation can easily see | Jul 15 11:15 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621261895589171200 | Jul 15 11:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz Spies have been communicating securely forever. It can be done by anyone, just use OTP @norwind | Jul 15 11:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621262131371995137 | Jul 15 11:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz Gaining an education is never a waste of time. | Jul 15 11:18 | |
| schestowitz | The disinfo comes from you, not the NSA leaks | Jul 15 11:18 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-5 Has Been Delayed Until July | Jul 15 11:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 20, OTA-6 Planning Continues | Jul 15 11:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch OTA-5 Has Been Delayed Until July 20, OTA-6 Planning Continues | Tux Machines | Jul 15 11:35 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6300721 | Jul 15 11:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #YotaPhone drops #Android for #SailfishOS http://www.androidauthority.com/yotaphone-drops-android-for-sailfish-os-622541/ #linux | Jul 15 12:00 | |
| schestowitz | "that could be nice. But this phone seems too expensive for Jolla’s community." | Jul 15 12:00 |
| schestowitz | "Above header is actually false. But yes, there still are plans of choosing Sailfish OS as mobile operating system for Russian government use which is a +1." | Jul 15 12:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.androidauthority.com | YotaPhone drops Android for Sailfish OS - Android Authority [ http://ur1.ca/n4oxt ] | Jul 15 12:00 | |
| schestowitz | Jolla can put pressure on Android to improve security | Jul 15 12:00 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5847829 | Jul 15 12:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Cutegram 2.1.1 Arrives with Many Improvements, Still the Best #Telegram Client for Linux Ever http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/Cutegram-2-1-1-Arrives-with-Many-Improvements-Still-the-Best-Telegram-Client-for-Linux-Ever-476979.shtml #gnu #linux | Jul 15 12:01 | |
| schestowitz | "Its sad to see Free Software advocates promoting a non-free service offered by a single company (no federation). What advantage telegram has over a Free Software WhatsaApp client? Just because it is not owned by Facebook, it is recommended?" | Jul 15 12:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linux.softpedia.com | Cutegram 2.1.1 Arrives with Many Improvements, Still the Best Telegram Client for Linux Ever - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/n4oy0 ] | Jul 15 12:01 | |
| schestowitz | "The advantage is that you can start a SECRET CHAT which bypasses the the server and offers end to end encryption, completely libre. Do your home work before hating more…" | Jul 15 12:01 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6311200 | Jul 15 12:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Database administration is a highly sought-after skill not because of it's hard but because of lack of training. Schools teach MS UI instead | Jul 15 12:01 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 15 12:01 |
| schestowitz | No, it’s hard. =) | Jul 15 12:01 |
| schestowitz | No, really, it seems to me that there are fades in IT and the most popular trade is developer. On the other hand, I have not met so much people that is attracted to database management. And most people do not change (become specialists?) so if someone has been sysadmin do not have interest in becoming database admin, and so on. | Jul 15 12:01 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 15 12:01 |
| schestowitz | It helps to have some lesser experience with it, to avoid having to pay a specialist to fix a DB | Jul 15 12:02 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6310135 | Jul 15 12:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: David Guetta: Piracy Brings Fans to My Concerts https://torrentfreak.com/david-guetta-piracy-brings-fans-to-my-concerts-150706/ good for him, maybe not the cartels | Jul 15 12:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> torrentfreak.com | David Guetta: Piracy Brings Fans to My Concerts - TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/n4oyh ] | Jul 15 12:02 | |
| schestowitz | "well… I think I have to give a chance to Guetta’s music :)" | Jul 15 12:02 |
| schestowitz | His image improved in my mind | Jul 15 12:02 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6300834 | Jul 15 12:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Don Quijones: #Wikileaks Exposes How #TISA Will Gut Financial Regulations All Over the World http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/07/don-quijones-wikileaks-exposes-how-tisa-will-gut-financial-regulations-all-over-the-world.html | Jul 15 12:03 | |
| schestowitz | "Let’s revise that: it will gut financial regulations for the big businesses and the rich. It will certainly not de-regulate the financial surveillance of the populace!" | Jul 15 12:03 |
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| schestowitz | it's clear whose wishlist | Jul 15 12:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.nakedcapitalism.com | Don Quijones: Wikileaks Exposes How TISA Will Gut Financial Regulations All Over the World | naked capitalism [ http://ur1.ca/n4oyu ] | Jul 15 12:03 | |
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| schestowitz | >> Today and yesterday a link was pasted twice. Not sure if the correct ones can still be recovered. | Jul 15 12:28 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 15 12:28 |
| schestowitz | > Probably not. Focus is still an issue for me often. The one today might | Jul 15 12:28 |
| schestowitz | > have been this one: | Jul 15 12:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition review | Jul 15 12:28 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 15 12:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition review | Tux Machines | Jul 15 12:28 | |
| schestowitz | > http://www.pcworld.com/article/2947705/windows-phone-os/nadella-microsoft-isnt-killing-windows-phone-and-will-go-it-alone-if-it-has-to.html | Jul 15 12:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com | Nadella: Microsoft isn't killing Windows Phone and will go it alone if it has to | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/n4p56 ] | Jul 15 12:28 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 15 12:28 |
| schestowitz | > But it's not worth much aside from tracking what the official party line | Jul 15 12:28 |
| schestowitz | > is this week. | Jul 15 12:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Alpine Linux 3.2.2 Server-Oriented Distro Gets | Jul 15 12:28 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 15 12:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | the Latest Linux Kernel 3.18.18 LTS | Jul 15 12:28 |
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| schestowitz | The writer, Mark Hachman, is a Microsoft booster and he seems to have been promoted by IDG to Senior Editor. | Jul 15 12:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Alpine Linux 3.2.2 Server-Oriented Distro Gets the Latest Linux Kernel 3.18.18 LTS | Tux Machines | Jul 15 12:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition First Impressions, | Jul 15 12:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Exceeding Expectations http://t.co/EoCrTgFcf4 | Jul 15 12:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 15 12:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition First Impressions, Exceeding Expectations | Tux Machines | Jul 15 12:29 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tizen on Raspberry PI 2 now with 3D | Jul 15 12:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | acceleration http://t.co/uHGvW04xaz | Jul 15 12:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tizen on Raspberry PI 2 now with 3D acceleration | Tux Machines | Jul 15 12:29 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6345892 | Jul 15 12:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Always loved the idea of the EU because of promises of harmony, commonwealth, democracy. Refuted by #greece #imf and http://www.fosspatents.com/2015/07/leadership-of-european-patent-office.html | Jul 15 12:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Leadership of European Patent Office blocks examiners' access to directory of potential prior art [ http://ur1.ca/n4nm0 ] | Jul 15 12:33 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 15 12:33 |
| schestowitz | There is nothing more to say. All those that lost there savings have given up all hope they will get anything back. Except maybe some worthless bank stocks. | Jul 15 12:33 |
| schestowitz | In the meantime, the Cyprus law system has failed up to now, to bring the looters to justice. | Jul 15 12:33 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 15 12:33 |
| schestowitz | Cyprus is too small to stand up to international banking | Jul 15 12:33 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6342319 | Jul 15 12:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Facebook's New Security Chief Calls On #Adobe To Kill #Flash http://www.tomshardware.com/news/alex-stamos-kill-flash-player,29576.html http://www.pcworld.com/article/2947381/how-to-disable-flash-player-why-nows-a-better-time-than-ever.html | Jul 15 12:34 | |
| schestowitz | "i don’t mean a blob, just a js library that does everything that flash could do (actionscript is ecmascript anyway), and the already available design tools would use that instead, and existing projects could be migrated" | Jul 15 12:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.tomshardware.com | Facebook's New Security Chief Calls On Adobe To Kill Flash [ http://ur1.ca/n4nzu ] | Jul 15 12:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.pcworld.com | How to disable Flash Player: Why now's a better time than ever | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/n4nzv ] | Jul 15 12:34 | |
| schestowitz | I believe that this is exactly what Eich is working on these days | Jul 15 12:34 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: really the greek mess is stupid. No one knows how to think on feet. | Jul 15 12:37 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promissory_note | Jul 15 12:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Promissory note - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/n4p7c ] | Jul 15 12:37 | |
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| oiaohm | Like if the EU will not give the greeks enough notes to operate the correct solution is greek banks provide promissory notes to customers so customers can still carry out their require tranactions. | Jul 15 12:38 |
| oiaohm | Of course promissory notes will not be any worth to spend outside greece | Jul 15 12:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDevelop: Concentration as a feature | Jul 15 13:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/1evjvZQqZd (www.proli.net) " Kate. | Jul 15 13:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Instead of focusing on the editor, it went the | Jul 15 13:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | KDevelop route" | Jul 15 13:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.proli.net | KDevelop: Concentration as a feature | TheBlindCow | Jul 15 13:04 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | (betanews.com) "more security holes than Swiss | Jul 15 13:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Ubuntu 15.10 Is Rebased on Linux Kernel 4.1, Tracking of Linux Kernel 4.2 Continues - Softpedia | Jul 15 13:11 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techrepublic.com | Five Linux desktop distributions with a great future - TechRepublic | Jul 15 13:12 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines IBM Chasing $20B Linux Server Market With Power | Jul 15 13:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eweek.com | IBM Chasing $20B Linux Server Market With Power Systems | Jul 15 13:12 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-5 Has Been Delayed Until July | Jul 15 13:21 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTg3NjQ For those who don't check lines of code systemd is more a kay project than anyone else by lines of code in it. | Jul 15 13:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Systemd Development Skyrocketed This Year - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/jab95 ] | Jul 15 13:36 | |
| __martin__ | oiaohm: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Systemd_components.svg/720px-Systemd_components.svg.png | Jul 15 13:45 |
| MinceR | kay is at least as much an idiot as poettering | Jul 15 13:46 |
| __martin__ | "Kay = Lead/Primary Developer, GregKH = Kernel Liason / Kay's Kernel Babysitter" - Phoronix Forums | Jul 15 13:47 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Key has written over 50 percent of the code if you flow it back. | Jul 15 13:48 |
| MinceR | gregkh is also the primary apologist for the windowsification of the kernel | Jul 15 13:48 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: interesting point is poettering has written most of the documentation. | Jul 15 13:49 |
| MinceR | did he also write most of the code comments? :> | Jul 15 13:49 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: more than Kay did. | Jul 15 13:50 |
| oiaohm | If I have a problem with a particular developer in systemd it Kay. | Jul 15 13:50 |
| MinceR | at least kay has enough sense to not speak publicly that much | Jul 15 13:51 |
| oiaohm | The document writer kinda has to speak publicly to find out what needs to be documented. | Jul 15 13:51 |
| MinceR | redcrap listens to the public about as much as canonical does | Jul 15 13:52 |
| MinceR | (i.e. not at all) | Jul 15 13:52 |
| oiaohm | When it comes to documentation they listen to public because they hope it reduces phone calls. | Jul 15 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Remember redhat support contracts they make the money if you ring or not. | Jul 15 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Of course they make less if you ring. | Jul 15 13:52 |
| MinceR | if they cared about the number of phone calls, they wouldn't make this mess called systemd | Jul 15 13:53 |
| MinceR | the whole point is to make everyone dependent on their support | Jul 15 13:53 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: no sysvinit and upstart were generating there stack of phone calls. | Jul 15 13:53 |
| MinceR | from the NSA? | Jul 15 13:54 |
| oiaohm | systvinit with PID service tracking failing and upstart ptrace tracking of services breaking stuff was not good fun. | Jul 15 13:54 |
| MinceR | "there are not enough vulnerabilities in the kernel, sysvinit and upstart, please do something about it!" | Jul 15 13:54 |
| MinceR | good thing systemd's failure modes are good fun, right? | Jul 15 13:55 |
| oiaohm | sorry there are vulnerablies in not being able to give services unique /tmp directories and other things. | Jul 15 13:55 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Note I am not saying systemd is perfect. | Jul 15 13:55 |
| oiaohm | The reality is redhat motivation was that the existing was broken. | Jul 15 13:55 |
| MinceR | it's not like systemd's the only way to have unique tmp directories | Jul 15 13:55 |
| MinceR | no, i doubt that's valid motivation for making something that's a thousand times more broken | Jul 15 13:56 |
| MinceR | the existing being not broken enough, on the other hand... | Jul 15 13:56 |
| oiaohm | The middle ground was make something like openrc | Jul 15 13:56 |
| oiaohm | Of course I think redhat did not plan out required key features well enough. | Jul 15 13:57 |
| MinceR | depends on what their goal is | Jul 15 13:57 |
| MinceR | if it's to become SCO #2 and kill unix for m$, they're doing well | Jul 15 13:57 |
| MinceR | if it's to spread dave cutler's "I Hate Unix Principle Of OS Design", they're doing well | Jul 15 13:58 |
| oiaohm | Have you not looked over this . http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTg3NjQ | Jul 15 13:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Systemd Development Skyrocketed This Year - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/jab95 ] | Jul 15 13:59 | |
| oiaohm | Sorry to say systemd does not agree with dave cutlers "I Hate Unix Principle Of OS Design" | Jul 15 13:59 |
| oiaohm | Question MinceR is wayland designed for multiseat like X11 is?? Have you though about that ever. | Jul 15 14:00 |
| MinceR | i don't read moronix that much | Jul 15 14:00 |
| MinceR | i'm more concerned about whether wayland will ever match X11 in flexibility | Jul 15 14:00 |
| MinceR | 145935 < oiaohm> Sorry to say systemd does not agree with dave cutlers "I Hate Unix Principle Of OS Design" | Jul 15 14:00 |
| MinceR | yet they have binary logging | Jul 15 14:00 |
| MinceR | yet they openly attack the unix principles | Jul 15 14:01 |
| MinceR | yet they copy all sorts of design flaws from windows | Jul 15 14:01 |
| oiaohm | Point to example of one of those things MinceR | Jul 15 14:01 |
| MinceR | binary logging: journald | Jul 15 14:01 |
| MinceR | attack on unix principles: poettering's blog posts about ignoring posix and unix principles | Jul 15 14:01 |
| oiaohm | You are aware binary logging syslogs existed before journald | Jul 15 14:01 |
| MinceR | design flaws from windows: unrelated crap in systemd (like gummiboot, udev, a web server), dbus in the kernel | Jul 15 14:02 |
| MinceR | yes, on vms and winblows | Jul 15 14:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: solaris had has binary logging. | Jul 15 14:02 |
| MinceR | slowlaris is crap, so what? | Jul 15 14:02 |
| oiaohm | Reason for binary logging was to prevent tampering. | Jul 15 14:03 |
| MinceR | it doesn't work | Jul 15 14:03 |
| MinceR | and anyone with a clue has known that for ages | Jul 15 14:03 |
| oiaohm | In fact it does work. | Jul 15 14:03 |
| MinceR | the only real ways to prevent tampering are: 1) log to a line printer | Jul 15 14:03 |
| MinceR | 2) log via a unidirectional link to an otherwise isolated system | Jul 15 14:03 |
| MinceR | you _might_ get by with logging over the network to a separate server, but that's less robust already | Jul 15 14:04 |
| oiaohm | 3 a TPM chip cascading signing. | Jul 15 14:04 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 15 14:04 |
| MinceR | yeah, right, let's trust Treacherous Computing | Jul 15 14:04 |
| MinceR | it's not like it was invented to take control of our computers away from us | Jul 15 14:04 |
| MinceR | oh wait, it was | Jul 15 14:04 |
| oiaohm | Or in solaris case a internal encryption engine. | Jul 15 14:05 |
| oiaohm | in the sparc processor | Jul 15 14:05 |
| MinceR | ooh, black boxes in the processor | Jul 15 14:05 |
| MinceR | what's next, the Clipper chip? | Jul 15 14:05 |
| MinceR | with approval from obama and cameron? | Jul 15 14:05 |
| oiaohm | binary logging with signing like journald is required to get approval in some countries MinceR | Jul 15 14:06 |
| MinceR | nobody should ever buy TPMs nor pay for them | Jul 15 14:06 |
| MinceR | what good is your signature if your attacker deletes the log? | Jul 15 14:06 |
| oiaohm | So binary logging with a TPM or equal chip enforcing non tampered state is a requiree feature. | Jul 15 14:06 |
| MinceR | what good is your signature if your log corrupts itself? | Jul 15 14:06 |
| oiaohm | 1 you know that the Log has been deleted. | Jul 15 14:06 |
| MinceR | what good is your signature if you don't use a timestamping authority? | Jul 15 14:06 |
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| MinceR | ooh, the log has been deleted, that tells me so much | Jul 15 14:06 |
| MinceR | without a timestamping authority, an attacker could reconstruct the log without the entires they want missing | Jul 15 14:07 |
| MinceR | s/tire/trie/ | Jul 15 14:07 |
| oiaohm | encryption chip cascading no attacker cannot reconstruct the log without the entiries they want missing. | Jul 15 14:07 |
| MinceR | what good is your signature if your log has filled your log disk ages ago because it shovels all the garbage it can find (including core dumps) into the log? | Jul 15 14:07 |
| MinceR | (and so you weren't logging for ages) | Jul 15 14:08 |
| MinceR | 001024 < ThePub> had an interesting discovery today.. a 1.2TB journald log | Jul 15 14:08 |
| oiaohm | did you not notice that journald supports sending the binary log remote. | Jul 15 14:08 |
| MinceR | this is the only thing that broken pile of garbage is good for | Jul 15 14:08 |
| MinceR | ooh, it also happens to support something that makes sense | Jul 15 14:08 |
| oiaohm | So attacker gets in deletes log or attempts to modify hello cannot keep up stream messages. | Jul 15 14:08 |
| MinceR | stop the presses! | Jul 15 14:08 |
| MinceR | guess what, a reliable logging daemon at a fraction of the size and complexity can do the same | Jul 15 14:09 |
| MinceR | reliably | Jul 15 14:09 |
| oiaohm | Not to required standards. | Jul 15 14:09 |
| oiaohm | You need to read some of the ISO standards on logging. | Jul 15 14:09 |
| oiaohm | Like or not text base does not cut it. | Jul 15 14:10 |
| MinceR | which of them say you must log like windows? | Jul 15 14:10 |
| MinceR | are we pretending text files can't be signed, now? | Jul 15 14:10 |
| oiaohm | In fact windows logging does not cut it. | Jul 15 14:10 |
| oiaohm | Its not effectively signed. | Jul 15 14:10 |
| MinceR | also, was this an ISO "standard" before m$ bought all the people who run ISO? | Jul 15 14:10 |
| MinceR | so they could fast-track OOXML? | Jul 15 14:10 |
| oiaohm | If these standards where written by Microsoft NT would pass. | Jul 15 14:11 |
| MinceR | you should really publish an article on how PGP/GPG signatures don't work | Jul 15 14:11 |
| oiaohm | The parties who wrote the standard I am talking about are HP, IBM and SUN | Jul 15 14:11 |
| oiaohm | Yes old world UNIX | Jul 15 14:11 |
| MinceR | ah, so HP handed over the sheaf of papers they got from their daddy microsoft | Jul 15 14:11 |
| oiaohm | Nop | Jul 15 14:11 |
| MinceR | and the others rubberstamped it | Jul 15 14:11 |
| oiaohm | Nop | Jul 15 14:11 |
| oiaohm | It based off HPUX trusted | Jul 15 14:12 |
| MinceR | and it's not like there are other, more important unix vendors around | Jul 15 14:12 |
| oiaohm | That existed before they rubber stamped anything for Microsoft. | Jul 15 14:12 |
| MinceR | so, in a nutshell, how do GPG/PGP signatures not work? | Jul 15 14:12 |
| oiaohm | Fails for this. | Jul 15 14:12 |
| MinceR | it's a remarkable discovery, you should tell me about it | Jul 15 14:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember what you said about time based. | Jul 15 14:13 |
| oiaohm | Remember I said cascading. | Jul 15 14:13 |
| oiaohm | GPG/PGP are not designed for cascading. | Jul 15 14:13 |
| oiaohm | cascading is something like bitcoin transfers. | Jul 15 14:14 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so to take over the last zones of old world Unix Linux has to pick up a few optional old world unix features. | Jul 15 14:15 |
| oiaohm | Binary logging with cascading encryption option is one of those. | Jul 15 14:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: improved process tracking and using non posix things in init system is another common behavour of old world unix systems. | Jul 15 14:16 |
| MinceR | interesting attempt at revisionist history there | Jul 15 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Not all all. | Jul 15 14:17 |
| oiaohm | HPUX trusted with binary logging is 1986 | Jul 15 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Before Linux existed. | Jul 15 14:17 |
| MinceR | when do we get to "unix was really just a fork of windows nt"? | Jul 15 14:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: How to I know I broke the binary long. | Jul 15 14:18 |
| oiaohm | The binary logging feature predates NT existance. | Jul 15 14:18 |
| oiaohm | It a feature that was copied in. | Jul 15 14:18 |
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| oiaohm | If anyone is the revisionist here on logging its you MinceR | Jul 15 14:19 |
| MinceR | uh huh | Jul 15 14:19 |
| MinceR | so, when do we get to "unix was really just a fork of vms"? | Jul 15 14:20 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you are writing up that binary logging was a Microsoft idea. Its not its a old world Unix idea | Jul 15 14:20 |
| MinceR | (protip: unix predates vms) | Jul 15 14:20 |
| oiaohm | VMS had text logging. | Jul 15 14:20 |
| oiaohm | I said old world Unix being the old world binary build Unix guys. | Jul 15 14:21 |
| msb__ | Systemd will soon have a new feature, where it sends copies of the journal to Putin! | Jul 15 14:21 |
| MinceR | i wonder what's AT&T and BSD | Jul 15 14:21 |
| msb__ | So he can Rule the World! | Jul 15 14:22 |
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| MinceR | for that, putler would have to pay redcrap more than the NSA does | Jul 15 14:22 |
| oiaohm | https://books.google.com.au/books?id=GvmWQKoB1AsC&pg=PA224&lpg=PA224&dq=hpux+binary+logging&source=bl&ots=X0DMamrKhf&sig=JYW4OEU53DfNMLb2uQi5ouy0_co&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDcQ6AEwBGoVChMIjqbtr53dxgIVZdimCh3t7g5z | Jul 15 14:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-books.google.com.au | UNIX Administration: A Comprehensive Sourcebook for Effective Systems ... - Bozidar Levi - Google Books [ http://ur1.ca/n4q2j ] | Jul 15 14:24 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: notice accounting log files. | Jul 15 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Unix having binary log files is nothing new MinceR | Jul 15 14:24 |
| oiaohm | I can keep on pulling books older if you need the MinceR | Jul 15 14:25 |
| MinceR | i've never seen wtmp treated like an actual log (rotated, etc.) | Jul 15 14:25 |
| MinceR | and it's not to be confused with the contents of /var/log/ | Jul 15 14:25 |
| __martin__ | msb__: systemd-dd :_D | Jul 15 14:26 |
| oiaohm | http://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos12.1/topics/concept/security-binary-logging-understanding.html | Jul 15 14:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.juniper.net | Understanding Binary Format for Security Logs - Technical Documentation - Support - Juniper Networks [ http://ur1.ca/n4q42 ] | Jul 15 14:29 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that is a BSD with binary version of syslog | Jul 15 14:29 |
| MinceR | JunOS as "old unix" | Jul 15 14:29 |
| MinceR | this is just getting better | Jul 15 14:29 |
| oiaohm | That is new | Jul 15 14:29 |
| oiaohm | Redhat with binary logging has two problems. | Jul 15 14:29 |
| oiaohm | You have new bsd's with binary logging. | Jul 15 14:29 |
| oiaohm | And you have old ISO standard written for old Unix demarding it | Jul 15 14:30 |
| oiaohm | journald comes out of being kinda screwed between BSD and Unix | Jul 15 14:30 |
| MinceR | now we blame BSD and Unix for poettering's brain damage? | Jul 15 14:31 |
| MinceR | (or sievers') | Jul 15 14:31 |
| oiaohm | Unix and BSD is the reason for binary logging. | Jul 15 14:31 |
| oiaohm | The broken implementation of it is their fault. | Jul 15 14:31 |
| oiaohm | their being sievers and poettering | Jul 15 14:31 |
| oiaohm | Basically I have no problem with you being upset with journald not working correctly. But saying binary logging is from windows that wrong. Saying its anti Unix is also wrong due what is forcing it to be at least an optional feature on Linux. | Jul 15 14:33 |
| MinceR | funny, i thought the official excuse was that they wanted to store something about a managed service and couldn't think of any other solution than fucking up the logging | Jul 15 14:33 |
| MinceR | (exit status or something like that) | Jul 15 14:34 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy | Jul 15 14:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Unix philosophy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/n4q5j ] | Jul 15 14:34 | |
| oiaohm | The binary logging bit was on the table before the first line of systemd was written. MinceR | Jul 15 14:34 |
| MinceR | "Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface." | Jul 15 14:34 |
| MinceR | "Store data in flat text files." | Jul 15 14:34 |
| oiaohm | Please note the date that Store data in flat text files was written. | Jul 15 14:36 |
| oiaohm | 1994 | Jul 15 14:36 |
| oiaohm | When did binary logging in Unix start way before that MinceR | Jul 15 14:36 |
| MinceR | also, what's preventing a log daemon from maintaining a running checksum (hash) of all log lines so far, encrypting that with the private key used for signing, and appending that signature in base64 to the log after every line or every n lines? | Jul 15 14:37 |
| oiaohm | So that being believed as part of Unix Philosophy. | Jul 15 14:37 |
| oiaohm | The old rule is "Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface." journalctl obeys that. | Jul 15 14:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: how do you keep exact order of when every logging entry happened using a running checksum. Spread across many invidual log files it can become a big mess quickly. | Jul 15 14:39 |
| MinceR | i think hash algorithms already handle that | Jul 15 14:40 |
| MinceR | [mincer@darkstar:pts/12:/home/mincer]% echo "hello\nworld" |sha1sum | Jul 15 14:41 |
| MinceR | 58853e8a5e8272b1012f9a52a80758b27bd0d3cb - | Jul 15 14:41 |
| MinceR | [mincer@darkstar:pts/12:/home/mincer]% echo "world\nhello" |sha1sum | Jul 15 14:41 |
| MinceR | ec570b8af1b14c6d8e4cf17925c55b9e4c0c08df - | Jul 15 14:41 |
| MinceR | indeed they do | Jul 15 14:41 |
| oiaohm | What order did you do those 2 operations in can you tell from the hash MinceR | Jul 15 14:42 |
| oiaohm | There is advantage to gluing all the logs into 1 file. | Jul 15 14:42 |
| MinceR | i can | Jul 15 14:42 |
| MinceR | one of them matches the hash, the other results in a different hash | Jul 15 14:42 |
| MinceR | and no, there's no need to glue all the logs into 1 file, as long as you use a timestamp authority | Jul 15 14:42 |
| MinceR | (which you'll need, otherwise the attacker can just rebuild the logs after the fact) | Jul 15 14:43 |
| MinceR | i suppose if it's extremely important that the order of certain lines be preserved, you'd want to log them in the same file anyway. | Jul 15 14:43 |
| oiaohm | timestamp authority without cascading attacker can possiblely delete an entry. | Jul 15 14:43 |
| MinceR | missing entries would show in the hashes. | Jul 15 14:43 |
| oiaohm | finding missing entries is more complex with more files. | Jul 15 14:44 |
| oiaohm | So there are reasons behind the choice. | Jul 15 14:44 |
| MinceR | if the final hash calculated from a file doesn't match the decoded hash found in it, you know it was tampered with. | Jul 15 14:44 |
| MinceR | missing entries or whatever | Jul 15 14:44 |
| MinceR | a binary log is worse, as it would possibly become entirely unreadable to the utility reading it | Jul 15 14:45 |
| MinceR | systemd already acknowledges this issue and their "solution" is to start a new log | Jul 15 14:45 |
| oiaohm | Did you not notice journald support 1 shipping to a backup location 2 duplicating into syslog. | Jul 15 14:45 |
| MinceR | logging into a backup location was done well before systemd even existed. | Jul 15 14:46 |
| MinceR | syslog-ng could do it, for example. | Jul 15 14:46 |
| oiaohm | Exactly why did journald from the start include option to duplicate into syslog. | Jul 15 14:46 |
| oiaohm | Does not match you claim that it was out to destroy things. | Jul 15 14:47 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: if journald was being setup with it syslog mode on I guess you would have less of a issue with it. | Jul 15 14:48 |
| MinceR | if journald was a separate product and wasn't designed to hijack syslog, i would have less of an issue with it | Jul 15 14:48 |
| MinceR | just like if the cult wasn't trying all the tricks they found in the big microsoft book to try and force me to use systemd, i would have less of an issue with it. | Jul 15 14:49 |
| oiaohm | All the binary logging products high jack syslog MinceR | Jul 15 14:49 |
| MinceR | also note that the "duplicate" passes through journald and might be mangled by it | Jul 15 14:49 |
| MinceR | according to how poettering feels like | Jul 15 14:49 |
| MinceR | this is the opposite of how reliable logging can be done | Jul 15 14:50 |
| oiaohm | Like the JunOS | Jul 15 14:50 |
| MinceR | (for example, at one time they suddenly decided they'll strip random whitespace: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/98 ) | Jul 15 14:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | systemd-journald strips whitespace from messages forwarded to syslog socket · Issue #98 · systemd/systemd · GitHub [ http://ur1.ca/n4qb2 ] | Jul 15 14:50 | |
| oiaohm | Poettering and systemd guys basically copied how it has been done on other systems. | Jul 15 14:50 |
| oiaohm | with the binary logging badly. | Jul 15 14:50 |
| MinceR | yes, they copied design flaws they found in other systems | Jul 15 14:50 |
| MinceR | especially in windows nt | Jul 15 14:50 |
| oiaohm | Drop the NT they were not coping NT. | Jul 15 14:51 |
| MinceR | and they're trying to force those design flaws on everybody. | Jul 15 14:51 |
| MinceR | yes they were | Jul 15 14:51 |
| oiaohm | There are a stack of NT logging design flaws journald don't have | Jul 15 14:51 |
| MinceR | binary logging and the "throw it into the kernel" principle both exist in winblows nt. | Jul 15 14:51 |
| MinceR | yet. | Jul 15 14:51 |
| oiaohm | But journald logging faults match up to like jonOS and others from the BSD and Unix world. | Jul 15 14:51 |
| oiaohm | Including deleted spaces. | Jul 15 14:51 |
| oiaohm | Called space saving. | Jul 15 14:52 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 15 14:52 |
| oiaohm | NT logging is knowing for makign the text longer by adding garbage. | Jul 15 14:52 |
| MinceR | yeah, suddenly growing the log to 1.2TB is "space saving" | Jul 15 14:52 |
| MinceR | WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, and IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH | Jul 15 14:53 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: ie missing white space error showed what they were coping. | Jul 15 14:53 |
| MinceR | it's not like additional whitespaces can be compressed easily | Jul 15 14:53 |
| MinceR | that's why there are no .gz files in /var/log, right? | Jul 15 14:53 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I am not saying everything is sane. | Jul 15 14:54 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: but you have got an anti-microsoft bent and that is wrong with the journald logging. | Jul 15 14:54 |
| oiaohm | Unix and BSD world single file binary logging suxs in so many particular ways it not funny. | Jul 15 14:54 |
| MinceR | the excuses used in defense of the systemd/kdbus/etc are ludicrous. | Jul 15 14:54 |
| MinceR | s/etc/& mess/ | Jul 15 14:55 |
| oiaohm | And journald manaage to implement almost all of them. | Jul 15 14:55 |
| MinceR | i have an anti-insanity bent | Jul 15 14:55 |
| MinceR | and i have an anti-'idiots' takeover of the systems i run' bent | Jul 15 14:55 |
| MinceR | i also have an anti-lockin bent | Jul 15 14:56 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: mind you journld still misses one that HP UX had. Manformed Unicode A ie over lenth unicode for Cap A Deletes the 4 chars following it. | Jul 15 14:56 |
| MinceR | they may yet implement that | Jul 15 14:57 |
| oiaohm | Like it or not the fault list of journald says it replmentation of Unix and BSD single file binary logging. | Jul 15 14:58 |
| oiaohm | Sad part is it better than some that have existed MinceR | Jul 15 14:59 |
| oiaohm | I guess you are too young to have heard system admins saying that particular makes of Unix were worthless before you installed GNU on them. | Jul 15 15:00 |
| oiaohm | Some of that was on some of them to disable binary logging because it was broken MinceR | Jul 15 15:01 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Unix and BSD worlds have huge stacks of stuff that suxs. | Jul 15 15:02 |
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| cubexyz | if you look at the history of Unix one will see the huge influence of BSD | Jul 15 15:24 |
| cubexyz | BSD was so influential that Bell Labs modelled version 8 on BSD4.1c | Jul 15 15:25 |
| MinceR | so, what part of GNU does binary logging | Jul 15 15:25 |
| MinceR | ? | Jul 15 15:25 |
| cubexyz | I don't know... I can't recall seeing that | Jul 15 15:26 |
| cubexyz | /var/log is all text as far as I know | Jul 15 15:26 |
| MinceR | oh, oiaohm left | Jul 15 15:26 |
| cubexyz | on OpenBSD wtmp data is gzip compressed | Jul 15 15:27 |
| cubexyz | same with old messages | Jul 15 15:29 |
| cubexyz | I never thought Unix was worthless before GNU though | Jul 15 15:32 |
| cubexyz | the old Unix was hacker friendly, especially from 1975 to 1979 | Jul 15 15:32 |
| cubexyz | after that things get rather crappy for a while | Jul 15 15:33 |
| cubexyz | 1980 to 1992 <- the crappy era | Jul 15 15:34 |
| cubexyz | after 1992 things start to greatly improve with the 2.11BSD backport, and the first appearance of Linux distros like MCC Interim Linux and Yggdrasil | Jul 15 15:35 |
| cubexyz | I started to see Yggdrasil and FreeBSD CDs by 1994 from Walnut Creek | Jul 15 15:36 |
| cubexyz | in the crappy era you needed $$$ to run Unix on Sun3, or get an expensive license $1K from SCO and you still didn't get much source code | Jul 15 15:37 |
| cubexyz | folks were installing FreeBSD in 1993 | Jul 15 15:38 |
| cubexyz | <oiaohm> is really criticizing proprietary Unix | Jul 15 15:39 |
| cubexyz | people did complain about Stallman and Linux though back in the early 1990s | Jul 15 15:40 |
| cubexyz | mostly the complaints back then were "Stallman == Communist" and Linux doesn't support my hardware | Jul 15 15:40 |
| cubexyz | ditto for Minix, it wasn't easy to get running | Jul 15 15:41 |
| cubexyz | believe or not, the era we are currently in is a vast improvement over what we had in the 1980s | Jul 15 15:41 |
| cubexyz | running NCR Unix on a 68020 with Wyse terminals wasn't too fun | Jul 15 15:43 |
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| msb__ | Divide the set of all possible Linux problems into two subsets: A. problems causing a corrupt system log B. All other problems | Jul 16 00:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch Gets Full Shell Rotation with Latest Update and So Much More | Tux Machines | Jul 16 00:10 | |
| msb__ | A binary encrypted journal is only useful for the tiny subset A. For all other problems, an ASCII log that can be easily read by a variety of tools, some of which are likely to still be working, is vastly better. | Jul 16 00:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus Ditches Adobe Flash, Gets Boot Time Down | Jul 16 00:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to 1.4 Seconds http://t.co/WljVcvh4Ut | Jul 16 00:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Solus Ditches Adobe Flash, Gets Boot Time Down to 1.4 Seconds | Tux Machines | Jul 16 00:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines This Android-based mini-PC could cost less than | Jul 16 00:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | a dinner for two http://t.co/GbX0HQKkbX | Jul 16 00:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This Android-based mini-PC could cost less than a dinner for two | Tux Machines | Jul 16 00:11 | |
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| msb__ | This is the reason for making everything ASCII human-readable that it's reasonable to do. It make troubleshooting much easier! | Jul 16 00:12 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jul 16 00:13 |
| MinceR | it also reduces the effect of corruption | Jul 16 00:13 |
| msb__ | And even if there is corruption, the person reading the log may notice inconsistencies, etc. | Jul 16 00:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Phone gains landscape support, paves way | Jul 16 00:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | for mouse and keyboard support | Jul 16 00:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/GvrBNJVX1K (liliputing.com) | Jul 16 00:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-liliputing.com | Ubuntu Phone gains landscape support, paves way for mouse and keyboard support - Liliputing | Jul 16 00:28 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Tablet designed for America’s prisons | Jul 16 00:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/AV4IeCWopx (tabtimes.com) runs | Jul 16 00:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tabtimes.com | The Tablet designed for America's prisons - TabTimes | Jul 16 00:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | linux | Jul 16 00:28 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Unexpected end of ZLIB input stream ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Jul 16 00:28 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/621468854288580608 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/621470329039388672 | Jul 16 01:17 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat pushing hard beyond Linux in the data | Jul 16 01:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com | Red Hat pushing hard beyond Linux in the data center | Network World | Jul 16 01:33 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nvidia Is Now Using a New Linux Kernel Module | Jul 16 01:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Source Layout http://t.co/72UI1LRtOL | Jul 16 01:33 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 Desktop Updates Bring Fixes for | Jul 16 01:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mir Backend http://t.co/9bx9t8AAKx | Jul 16 01:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu 15.10 Desktop Updates Bring Fixes for Mir Backend - Softpedia | Jul 16 01:33 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Gets Full Shell Rotation with | Jul 16 01:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch Gets Full Shell Rotation with Latest Update and So Much More - Softpedia | Jul 16 01:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus Ditches Adobe Flash, Gets Boot Time Down | Jul 16 01:35 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines This Android-based mini-PC could cost less than | Jul 16 02:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | a dinner for two http://t.co/A6bP1tSsXx | Jul 16 02:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gizmag.com) | Jul 16 02:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gizmag.com | This Android-based mini-PC could cost less than a dinner for two | Jul 16 02:28 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines First open source school management software | Jul 16 02:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | developed in Haiti http://t.co/hRvFBUl1O8 | Jul 16 02:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | First open source school management software developed in Haiti | Tux Machines | Jul 16 02:28 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 10 things I want Firefox OS to do for me | Jul 16 02:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/QbggT5LOz2 (benjaminkerensa.com) | Jul 16 02:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-benjaminkerensa.com | 10 things I want Firefox OS to do for me – Benjamin Kerensa | Jul 16 02:38 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Getting into Linux Kernel Development | Jul 16 02:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/qbEN4tNcAS (www.cyphar.com) | Jul 16 02:38 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Gets Full Shell Rotation with | Jul 16 02:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Latest Update and So Much More | Jul 16 02:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tokvbok http://t.co/4fsPyiHRvT (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 16 02:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch Gets Full Shell Rotation with Latest Update and So Much More - Softpedia | Jul 16 02:45 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Getting into Linux Kernel Development | Jul 16 02:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/J1NlR3Zm4F (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 16 02:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Getting into Linux Kernel Development | Tux Machines | Jul 16 02:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Canonical and FSF: the Latest | Jul 16 02:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Pny9ZeVuYV (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 16 02:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical and FSF: the Latest | Tux Machines | Jul 16 02:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: OSS http://t.co/vaBZSfFvEE | Jul 16 03:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: OSS | Tux Machines | Jul 16 03:05 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 16 03:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat News http://t.co/xWSKgtlRyt | Jul 16 03:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat News | Tux Machines | Jul 16 03:05 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 15/7/2015: Linux in Prison, Canonical | Jul 16 03:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 'IP' Dispute http://t.co/Ip8HZTs6B8 | Jul 16 03:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (techrights.org) | Jul 16 03:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 15/7/2015: Linux in Prison, Canonical ‘IP’ Dispute | Techrights | Jul 16 03:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: KDE http://t.co/n9eXX73WzR | Jul 16 03:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: KDE | Tux Machines | Jul 16 03:28 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming and Software | Jul 16 03:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming and Software | Tux Machines | Jul 16 03:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/bE2Vo1QD5s | Jul 16 03:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 16 03:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Jul 16 03:28 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/MaQ7yocfp4 | Jul 16 10:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 16 10:37 | |
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| schestowitz | You wrote | Jul 16 11:34 |
| schestowitz | > Do you have any contacts with anyone who knows why the PDF and item were taken down. I chatted with Florian this morning and both of us would like to know what happened? Do you know of someone who would come forward given secure enough a channel? | Jul 16 11:34 |
| schestowitz | I will try, and (perhaps) report some days later. Regarding the "Innercircle" case, I have currently no information. | Jul 16 11:34 |
| schestowitz | My current knowledge about similar things (takedowns from the _public_ area of the SUEPO side) is: the decision what is flagged public and what not is taken mostly by admins, and these are not members of the (political) SUEPO core team. | Jul 16 11:34 |
| schestowitz | So in a few cases, an item was flagged "public" by a decision of a single person, which perhaps later get revised, resulting in a (look like a) takedown, or admin got cold feet (most likely) and flagged the item as non-public. | Jul 16 11:34 |
| schestowitz | In general: | Jul 16 11:34 |
| schestowitz | knowing the fact, that sometimes information is public for a certain time should be a hint to you to visit the public page regularly and to record what you can get - information may disappear now and then. | Jul 16 11:34 |
| schestowitz | Again: | Jul 16 11:34 |
| schestowitz | Regarding the "Innercircle" case, I have currently no information. | Jul 16 11:35 |
| schestowitz | http://suepo.org/public/news | Jul 16 11:35 |
| schestowitz | " FOSS Patents reports that EPO staff can no longer access the TechRights blog, which is written by a free and open source software activist from the UK, Dr. Roy Schestowitz. The matter was addressed by the Central Staff Committee (CSC) in a letter sent to the Director Internal Communication. " | Jul 16 11:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-suepo.org | SUEPO - News | Jul 16 11:35 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "Develop Checker Framework has been pushed to | Jul 16 11:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | the KDevPlatform repository." | Jul 16 11:51 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | (dfighter1985.wordpress.com) | Jul 16 11:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dfighter1985.wordpress.com | KDevelop Checker Framework – pushed | dfighter1985 | Jul 16 11:51 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @DzhumabaevaMega favourited '"Develop Checker Framework has been pushed to the...' | Jul 16 12:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A Grooveshark-Alternative Music Player For | Jul 16 12:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu Touch Is Under Development | Jul 16 12:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/P9cO9vx2WF (linuxg.net) | Jul 16 12:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net | A Grooveshark-Alternative Music Player For Ubuntu Touch Is Under Development | LinuxG.net | Jul 16 12:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines PiDrive A Low Power Raspberry Pi mSATA Solid | Jul 16 12:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | State Disk (SSD) http://t.co/WxjNlquT8A | Jul 16 12:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geeky-gadgets.com | PiDrive A Low Power Raspberry Pi mSATA Solid State Disk (SSD) | Jul 16 12:23 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/621643758451474432 | Jul 16 12:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz their stance on criticism is reminiscent of Apple's, albeit less strident. Apple folks do it with religious fervor | Jul 16 12:34 | |
| schestowitz | Canonical and Mozilla | Jul 16 12:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 Desktop Updates Bring Fixes for | Jul 16 12:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mir Backend http://t.co/9bx9t8AAKx | Jul 16 12:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu 15.10 Desktop Updates Bring Fixes for Mir Backend - Softpedia | Jul 16 12:36 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Lucius II Adventure Game Is Coming to Linux | Jul 16 12:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Lucius II Adventure Game Is Coming to Linux - Softpedia | Jul 16 12:37 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Team Fortress 2 Gets Fixes and Balancing | Jul 16 12:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Changes | Jul 16 12:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/7qd7MlVtpB (linux.softpedia.com) | Jul 16 12:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Team Fortress 2 Gets Fixes and Balancing Changes - Softpedia | Jul 16 12:37 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines SteamOS 2.25 "Brewmaster" Based on Debian 8 | Jul 16 12:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Gets Linux Kernel Update and More | Jul 16 12:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/t300RmFERz (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 16 12:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | SteamOS 2.25 "Brewmaster" Based on Debian 8 Gets Linux Kernel Update and More - Softpedia | Jul 16 12:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | discounts http://t.co/D9XWo66Bp8 | Jul 16 12:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Crusader Kings II Gets a Huge 80% Price Cut on Steam for Linux - Softpedia | Jul 16 12:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linux.softpedia.com) | Jul 16 12:42 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A look at what's on the horizon for LibreOffice | Jul 16 12:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ZV90ax7opX (opensource.com) "I | Jul 16 12:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | returned to using a Linux desktop" | Jul 16 12:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com | Interview with Italo Vignoli, The Document Foundation | Opensource.com | Jul 16 12:42 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Don't Expect Much from Intel Compute Stick with | Jul 16 12:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu, Windows Version Is Terrible | Jul 16 12:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/gpe6vtuPeZ (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 16 12:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Don't Expect Much from Intel Compute Stick with Ubuntu, Windows Version Is Terrible - Softpedia | Jul 16 12:42 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/shivergames/status/621647538433748992 | Jul 16 12:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@shivergames: Could be true.. https://t.co/nund6M82o8 | Jul 16 12:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Lucius II Adventure Game Is Coming to Linux http://t.co/BnZQV1hUbq #games #gnu #linux | Jul 16 12:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6349113 | Jul 16 13:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: The best Linux distributions for beginners http://www.pcworld.com/article/2947333/operating-systems/the-best-linux-distributions-for-beginners.html | Jul 16 13:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.pcworld.com | The best Linux distributions for beginners | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/n4v8h ] | Jul 16 13:04 | |
| schestowitz | "http://antergos.com/ (http://antergos.com/) :-P" | Jul 16 13:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-antergos.com | Antergos | Your Linux. Always Fresh. Never Frozen. | Jul 16 13:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Canonical Clarifies IP Policy, No One Else | Jul 16 13:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Happy http://t.co/oGmoFyLeDr (ostatic.com) | Jul 16 13:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/KNqk6aCLsn (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 16 13:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com | Canonical Clarifies IP Policy, No One Else Happy | Jul 16 13:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Canonical Updates Ubuntu Licensing Terms After Two-Year Discussions with FSF - Softpedia | Jul 16 13:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Don't Expect Much from Intel Compute Stick with | Jul 16 13:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu, Windows Version Is Terrible | Jul 16 13:07 |
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| msb__ | distrowatch poll on systemd: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150713#poll | Jul 16 14:23 |
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| msb__ | The poll seems closed to me, but maybe that's because I already voted and it installed a cookie. | Jul 16 14:24 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Tell all your friends! http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150713#poll | Jul 16 14:25 |
| MinceR | the people i know who care already knew about it | Jul 16 14:26 |
| oiaohm | The split is what I expected. | Jul 16 14:41 |
| oiaohm | Like it or not a percentage like systemd | Jul 16 14:41 |
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| cubexyz | you should be able to use the init system you want | Jul 16 15:42 |
| cubexyz | it should be interchangeable, just like the shell: bash, csh, ksh, etc | Jul 16 15:42 |
| cubexyz | 43% avoid systemd and 11% who are using it dislike it, so the majority actually doesn't like it | Jul 16 15:44 |
| cubexyz | and you got 10% of fence sitters | Jul 16 15:44 |
| cubexyz | well, one good thing about all this is that people are going to become more knowledgeable about init systems | Jul 16 15:46 |
| oiaohm | Really the fact people have been ingorning the init systems defects has been a major problem. | Jul 16 15:57 |
| oiaohm | So if systemd ends up replaced but it causes people to serousally look at the problem its been a good thing. | Jul 16 15:57 |
| cubexyz | sure | Jul 16 15:58 |
| oiaohm | Compared to some of the older servyes more uses are willing to use it now. | Jul 16 15:58 |
| oiaohm | Question is how many in the avoid systemd are just hate it because its new. | Jul 16 15:59 |
| oiaohm | On my segmented partition system systemd now at long last boots without tweaking. | Jul 16 16:00 |
| msb__ | And how many in the like/tolerate groups will end up hating it when they find out how and how much it's damaging Linux. | Jul 16 16:01 |
| oiaohm | msb__: you have to remember I hate systemd more when it first came out and it was single partition or nothing. | Jul 16 16:02 |
| cubexyz | in antix: apt-get remove systemd | Jul 16 16:03 |
| oiaohm | Now it handles / /usr /var ..... all broken into independant partitions. | Jul 16 16:03 |
| oiaohm | Worse a evil hack forwarding a section of /var to /home | Jul 16 16:03 |
| cubexyz | so the init system actually was easily changed in that case | Jul 16 16:03 |
| oiaohm | Yes I design the test bed system as a breaker | Jul 16 16:03 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: you're only one person. People are gradually finding out how systemd violates imporant engineering principles. | Jul 16 16:03 |
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| cubexyz | intel boot guard may be a bigger problem | Jul 16 16:04 |
| msb__ | Both are major attempts to sabotage free software. | Jul 16 16:04 |
| msb__ | Also kde4/5. | Jul 16 16:05 |
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| oiaohm | msb__: You have to remember sysvinit also broke important engineering principles. | Jul 16 16:05 |
| oiaohm | Never design something you cannot stop. | Jul 16 16:05 |
| msb__ | The murders for profit and power of millions of people should convince us that there is real, powerful, _evil_ going on in the world. | Jul 16 16:06 |
| oiaohm | msb__: so yes systemd might break things but existing inits were already breaking a lot. | Jul 16 16:06 |
| oiaohm | I still remember early on when systemd developers said they would not support segmented systems at all. | Jul 16 16:07 |
| oiaohm | So what systemd is has evolved. | Jul 16 16:07 |
| msb__ | Most people have never had a problem with sysvinit. But systemd already violates the principles of human-readable datafiles, avoidance of interdependence, avoidance of mission creep, etc.-- from the beginning! | Jul 16 16:09 |
| cubexyz | I've seen quasijarus with good uptime | Jul 16 16:09 |
| cubexyz | so microvax with sysvinit, over 200 days | Jul 16 16:09 |
| cubexyz | and I'm sure others have run it longer than that | Jul 16 16:09 |
| msb__ | The only times my system goes down is when firefox depletes some X resource, or a power failure. | Jul 16 16:11 |
| cubexyz | I've seen X run for over a year | Jul 16 16:11 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: what about the ones that did not get good uptimes. | Jul 16 16:11 |
| oiaohm | Its very easy to have rose colored glasses with this problem. | Jul 16 16:12 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, sure hardware problems are always possible | Jul 16 16:12 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: No I mean software problems. | Jul 16 16:12 |
| msb__ | I think firefox has stopped doing it (it never crashed the kernel, only X and the DE). So now it's only powerfailures, which are about 5 months apart. | Jul 16 16:12 |
| oiaohm | Where services have crashed and sysvinit fails restarting them. | Jul 16 16:12 |
| oiaohm | Like important services like the ssh for remote access to control it. | Jul 16 16:12 |
| cubexyz | i'm sshing to fc1 right now | Jul 16 16:13 |
| cubexyz | currently at 250 days | Jul 16 16:13 |
| cubexyz | fc1 has..... sysvinit :) | Jul 16 16:13 |
| oiaohm | If ssh server gets hit and goes down. | Jul 16 16:13 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit will be unable to restarted it some cases. | Jul 16 16:13 |
| cubexyz | I've been logged in 24/7 for over 8 months | Jul 16 16:14 |
| cubexyz | plus you can imagine how long I've ran fc1 | Jul 16 16:14 |
| oiaohm | Has your computer been exposed to internet with hostile attacks. | Jul 16 16:14 |
| cubexyz | yes | Jul 16 16:14 |
| cubexyz | since 2004 | Jul 16 16:14 |
| cubexyz | that's a pretty good field test :) | Jul 16 16:14 |
| oiaohm | Were you lucking to avoid all the ssh bugs that crashed servers since then so locking you out. | Jul 16 16:15 |
| oiaohm | services | Jul 16 16:15 |
| oiaohm | This is the problem sysvinit and hacks to keep services up and runnign have not been working correctly. | Jul 16 16:15 |
| oiaohm | openrc should have been done years ago. | Jul 16 16:16 |
| oiaohm | Do be correct decades ago. | Jul 16 16:16 |
| oiaohm | Do/To | Jul 16 16:16 |
| oiaohm | Claiming it works for me there is no problem does not really cut it. | Jul 16 16:16 |
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| msb__ | I would rather have the computer crash once or twice a year and have to reboot it, than have the entire OS and many of the apps contaminated and churned by something as ugly and evil as systemd. | Jul 16 16:17 |
| oiaohm | msb__: have you looked at openrc | Jul 16 16:18 |
| msb__ | don't need to | Jul 16 16:18 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, the failures I have experienced in the last 10 years were all logged and mostly due to hardware failing | Jul 16 16:18 |
| cubexyz | wart wall failure on router was one | Jul 16 16:18 |
| cubexyz | wart wall failure on DSL modem | Jul 16 16:19 |
| cubexyz | the DSL service itself failed due to DSLAM problem | Jul 16 16:19 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: N + 1 server setups done correctly the most common nasty failure is not hardware but management software being bricked. | Jul 16 16:19 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: do you mean "wall wart" or do you have an entire wall full of warts? | Jul 16 16:20 |
| cubexyz | haha, oops | Jul 16 16:20 |
| cubexyz | wall wart :) | Jul 16 16:20 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, I think if X was to fail and I was using konsole + ssh that ssh would also fail | Jul 16 16:21 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: hosted servers are not running X in most cases. | Jul 16 16:21 |
| cubexyz | but sshd failing on the server? I haven't seen that | Jul 16 16:22 |
| oiaohm | I have so these days I have more than 1 way in. | Jul 16 16:22 |
| msb__ | BTW, X was being crashed by Firefox because I have about 500 tabs open in it. | Jul 16 16:22 |
| oiaohm | msb__: I have a very simple issue with sysvinit. Completely how does sysvinit tell if a service is still running. | Jul 16 16:23 |
| oiaohm | Yes it created a PID file. | Jul 16 16:23 |
| oiaohm | One problem PID numbers in modern Linux systems get recycled. | Jul 16 16:23 |
| oiaohm | Very old unix they were unique once used numbers. | Jul 16 16:24 |
| msb__ | But I think since the last update or two FF only loads tabs that are visible, so it's a lot more stable. | Jul 16 16:24 |
| oiaohm | msb__: simple reality sysvinit is not Linux kernel compadible. | Jul 16 16:25 |
| oiaohm | openrc is atleast Linux kernel compadible. | Jul 16 16:25 |
| cubexyz | there's /var/run/sshd.pid and /var/lock/subsys/sshd | Jul 16 16:25 |
| cubexyz | at least on fc1 | Jul 16 16:25 |
| oiaohm | /var/lock/subsys/sshd may stay in place even if the service is dead. | Jul 16 16:25 |
| cubexyz | if sshd dies then the sysadmin should fix it | Jul 16 16:26 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: what if sshd is the sysadmin way in. | Jul 16 16:26 |
| cubexyz | ok, then time to take a trip :) | Jul 16 16:26 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Jul 16 16:27 |
| oiaohm | If you can put proper monitoring and proper restart ablity on sshd then sysadmin would not need to travel right cubexyz | Jul 16 16:27 |
| cubexyz | or as we talked about before, use another method to get in | Jul 16 16:27 |
| oiaohm | again each of those methods need to be validated. | Jul 16 16:27 |
| oiaohm | And need to be as strong as possible. | Jul 16 16:28 |
| msb__ | Poor sysadmin has to get out sometimes or he'll get stuck to his chair. | Jul 16 16:28 |
| oiaohm | msb__: Poor sysadmin do get out these days and do maintaince from a android device while away on holidays. | Jul 16 16:29 |
| cubexyz | if there's some major failure someone has to go to the server to check it anyway | Jul 16 16:29 |
| cubexyz | e.g. if the hard drive fails | Jul 16 16:29 |
| cubexyz | that's just maintainance | Jul 16 16:29 |
| cubexyz | nothing is 100% | Jul 16 16:29 |
| oiaohm | N+1 setups quite a few harddrives can fail before staff has to go to site to address it. | Jul 16 16:29 |
| oiaohm | N+1 hardware failure is not hey we need you their in the next 5 min to restore services. | Jul 16 16:30 |
| msb__ | My machine is strictly single user, so maybe these extremely low-probability daemon failures would happen more on other machines. | Jul 16 16:30 |
| oiaohm | msb__: the more machines you are running the more likely one of these deamon failures will happpen to you. | Jul 16 16:31 |
| msb__ | But there are plenty of huge Linux servers using sysvinit, so maybe not. | Jul 16 16:31 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly msb__ | Jul 16 16:31 |
| oiaohm | Google and facebook use something closer to openrc | Jul 16 16:31 |
| msb__ | What about google and imdb? | Jul 16 16:31 |
| msb__ | And amazon. | Jul 16 16:31 |
| oiaohm | amazon is also containers around services. | Jul 16 16:32 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/icewm-with-konsole.png | Jul 16 16:32 |
| cubexyz | see those coloured tabs at the bottom? | Jul 16 16:32 |
| oiaohm | Just each of these have been hacking on contianer wrapping desing individuallly msb__ | Jul 16 16:32 |
| cubexyz | all different computers, logged in via ssh | Jul 16 16:32 |
| cubexyz | so I'm always using ssh and sshd | Jul 16 16:32 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: tell me when that gets to 8 deep | Jul 16 16:33 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: that is in fact how many my computer can be connected to at one time. | Jul 16 16:33 |
| oiaohm | Full across and requiring 8 windows. | Jul 16 16:34 |
| cubexyz | ok, but you're probably using more than one server? | Jul 16 16:34 |
| cubexyz | more than one sshd server | Jul 16 16:34 |
| oiaohm | Manging a processing cluster | Jul 16 16:35 |
| oiaohm | If you count it by cases on floor its 1 server. | Jul 16 16:35 |
| oiaohm | But its like 8000 individual machines inside. | Jul 16 16:35 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: so can you change "sysvinit" into just a link to openrc and have the thing work? | Jul 16 16:36 |
| oiaohm | openrc wraps cgroups around services so yes now you can restart services dependably when they decide to fail 10 to 15 min functionality tests. | Jul 16 16:37 |
| msb__ | Or just change the executable if links aren't working that early? | Jul 16 16:37 |
| oiaohm | msb__: basically openrc or systemd will solve my worst problem. | Jul 16 16:38 |
| oiaohm | Of services not restarting. | Jul 16 16:38 |
| msb__ | Not what I asked. Is openrc a 100% dropin replacement for sysvinit? | Jul 16 16:38 |
| oiaohm | There are some minor differences at times. | Jul 16 16:38 |
| oiaohm | due to services being container wrapped. | Jul 16 16:38 |
| cubexyz | what does Minix use these days? | Jul 16 16:39 |
| cubexyz | ha, probably no one is using it | Jul 16 16:39 |
| oiaohm | msb__: openrc is very close to sysvinit. Basically it as close as you can get to sysvinit under Linux and have proper process tracking so you can restart services. | Jul 16 16:40 |
| msb__ | This is all a matter of probabilities. Somebody could say to me, "Your house is not compatible with human life because it could get hit by a meteor. You need to live in a concrete bunker with walls 3 feet thick." | Jul 16 16:42 |
| oiaohm | If you want a house example. sysvinit is a house without a fusebox | Jul 16 16:43 |
| oiaohm | and the people inside are using electricity. | Jul 16 16:43 |
| msb__ | I am talking quantitatively about probabilities. | Jul 16 16:44 |
| oiaohm | msb__: people around the world live in houses with electricity without a fusebox and live remember. | Jul 16 16:44 |
| oiaohm | So its not a 100 percent death risk. | Jul 16 16:44 |
| cubexyz | I suppose if sshd got overloaded somehow it would have to be restarted | Jul 16 16:45 |
| msb__ | I guess the chance of a daemon croaking is greater than the chance of a meteor hit, but I have tripped a breaker several times in the last 15 years (by accidently running the air conditioner and the microwave at the same time). | Jul 16 16:45 |
| oiaohm | msb__: think if you did not have a breaker. | Jul 16 16:46 |
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| oiaohm | You could be one of those unlucky ones in countries without proper electrical that end up dead msb__ | Jul 16 16:46 |
| cubexyz | couldn't you have a monitor program watching sshd? | Jul 16 16:46 |
| msb__ | But my Linux has only failed from hardware/powerloss, very old kmail, firefox. | Jul 16 16:46 |
| cubexyz | then if sshd truly failed, the sshd monitor could re-activate it | Jul 16 16:47 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: monitor program would have to start before sshd to be able track it processes to be able kill it all. | Jul 16 16:47 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: then you have the problem what happens if the monitor program croaks it. | Jul 16 16:47 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: ie why placing in a cgroup is such a good idea. | Jul 16 16:47 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, then the sysadmin has to fix it :) | Jul 16 16:47 |
| cubexyz | you can't say systemd is going to make sshd always work | Jul 16 16:48 |
| oiaohm | Under systemd if you put a test program in timer/cron jobs it can restart. | Jul 16 16:48 |
| msb__ | I don't even want the added complication of cgroups on my system to fix a problem I haven't had in FIFTEEN YEARS. | Jul 16 16:49 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit big problem is the failure to be able to 100 percent of the time restart services. | Jul 16 16:49 |
| oiaohm | msb__: same arguement as what happens in countries without fuse boxes. | Jul 16 16:49 |
| oiaohm | msb__: some of those say 60 years but it the same arguement. | Jul 16 16:50 |
| msb__ | No, then your house can burn down. I only have to reboot my computer. | Jul 16 16:50 |
| oiaohm | msb__: exactly what is the computer controlling. | Jul 16 16:50 |
| cubexyz | ok, how about this idea... | Jul 16 16:50 |
| cubexyz | you have two servers, beside each other | Jul 16 16:51 |
| msb__ | So quantitatively and statistically by expectation, it is NOT the same argument. | Jul 16 16:51 |
| oiaohm | msb__: the stats of failure is about the same. | Jul 16 16:51 |
| cubexyz | one server is connected to the other by parallel port, serial port, usb port whatever | Jul 16 16:51 |
| cubexyz | then you can sshd into the 2nd server and use the serial terminal to fix the first server | Jul 16 16:51 |
| oiaohm | msb__: the death rate from not having a fuse box compared to having a fuse box is a 1 in 2 million difference. | Jul 16 16:51 |
| cubexyz | so multiple ways to get in | Jul 16 16:51 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: Wrong. The death rate from having to reboot my computer is ZERO. | Jul 16 16:52 |
| oiaohm | msb__: not everyone using electricity will be taking any risks with it. | Jul 16 16:52 |
| oiaohm | So there death rate risk might also be zero. | Jul 16 16:52 |
| oiaohm | this is why your arguement does not really hold ground. | Jul 16 16:53 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: Yes I have uses serial port control solutions in the past to get around some of these problems. But agian that is depending on the sgetty to be up correctly. | Jul 16 16:54 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: this is classic murphy if you are not checking it the bugger will fail on you sometimes in combination. | Jul 16 16:54 |
| msb__ | My argument is that I have never had a daemon failure in 15 years of 24/7 computer operation. So I have no need to complicate my system to prevent it. | Jul 16 16:54 |
| oiaohm | msb__: that is the same arguement as those who have used electrictity for 60 + years without issue without a fuse box. | Jul 16 16:55 |
| msb__ | No, then your house can burn down. I only have to reboot my computer. | Jul 16 16:55 |
| oiaohm | msb__: there are other options to using cgroups to copy what BSD does for example but that requires a kernel mode. | Jul 16 16:55 |
| oiaohm | kernel mode alteration. | Jul 16 16:56 |
| oiaohm | msb__: exactly how do you think not having a fuse box can allow you house to burn down. | Jul 16 16:56 |
| oiaohm | msb__: ever heard of fusable links. | Jul 16 16:56 |
| oiaohm | Called using small enough wire that it fails safely first. | Jul 16 16:57 |
| msb__ | My argument is that I have never had a daemon failure in 15 years of 24/7 computer operation. So I have no need to complicate my system to prevent it. | Jul 16 16:58 |
| oiaohm | Of course that does not mean people without a manated fuse box will do that stuff correctly. | Jul 16 16:58 |
| msb__ | Fuses have nothing to do with it. | Jul 16 16:58 |
| oiaohm | msb__: are you the only use of the Linux Distrobution. The answer is no. | Jul 16 16:58 |
| oiaohm | In most cases. | Jul 16 16:58 |
| msb__ | What? | Jul 16 16:58 |
| oiaohm | A Linux Distrobution has to service a comunity this means considering all the usage cases of the comunity. | Jul 16 16:59 |
| oiaohm | Same way houses have fuse boxes. | Jul 16 16:59 |
| oiaohm | So somethings have to be done for the greater good even if not everyone in the comunity truly requires it. | Jul 16 17:00 |
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| oiaohm | msb__: basically sysvinit is good enough is not going to cut it with any distrobution and never can. | Jul 16 17:01 |
| msb__ | For decades it already has. | Jul 16 17:01 |
| oiaohm | Really no it has not. Broken crap like restartd to assist sysvinit would have never been coded if it worked. | Jul 16 17:02 |
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| oiaohm | There is a long list of hacks to attempt to make sysvinit work msb__ that have all failed to achive it. | Jul 16 17:03 |
| oiaohm | msb__: http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html is a classic. | Jul 16 17:03 |
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| oiaohm | Lets run all our services under deamontools lets avoid using sysvinit script because they don't work basically. | Jul 16 17:04 |
| oiaohm | So now you have a system running sysvinit and deamontools. Great so what one started the service that is now not working. | Jul 16 17:04 |
| oiaohm | I don't think I am asking for too much to have a init system that can start and track services so I don't have to stick third party crap on top of it all the time. | Jul 16 17:06 |
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| msb__ | oiaohm: You are confusing "does not work" with "works fine for fifteen years" | Jul 16 17:07 |
| oiaohm | msb__: No I am not | Jul 16 17:07 |
| msb__ | You can ask for and have whatever you want. What I want is simplicity. | Jul 16 17:07 |
| oiaohm | In the last 15 years of my usage it has broken on me. | Jul 16 17:07 |
| oiaohm | And I am not alone. | Jul 16 17:07 |
| msb__ | Then get something different from what I want. | Jul 16 17:08 |
| oiaohm | Also people miss place blame as well. | Jul 16 17:08 |
| oiaohm | Have you had network-manager issues. | Jul 16 17:08 |
| msb__ | No. | Jul 16 17:08 |
| oiaohm | I guess you have been lucky enough not to have cups lost with a print job. | Jul 16 17:09 |
| oiaohm | There are so many ways services in background can go south and ruin you day. | Jul 16 17:10 |
| oiaohm | Poor tracking makes it hard to see. | Jul 16 17:10 |
| msb__ | If losing a print job would ruin my day then I would have mental problems. | Jul 16 17:11 |
| oiaohm | No that is not losing a print job. | Jul 16 17:11 |
| oiaohm | That is running out of tmp space because it gone into a processing loop. | Jul 16 17:11 |
| oiaohm | So by your response you have not had that one yet. | Jul 16 17:13 |
| msb__ | So, I'll look at my system or disk monitor program, figure out what ate all the temp space, kill it and delete the temp files. | Jul 16 17:13 |
| oiaohm | msb__: not exactly that great when it printer script saying python | Jul 16 17:15 |
| msb__ | If I can't do that, I'll reboot, and if it won't reboot I'll use a rescue disk. | Jul 16 17:15 |
| oiaohm | No reboot in this case fails. | Jul 16 17:15 |
| oiaohm | while cups has the print job it will attempt to process it. | Jul 16 17:15 |
| oiaohm | So reboot you will die again. | Jul 16 17:15 |
| msb__ | So I will kill cups. Thank goodness I don't have an init program that will restart it! | Jul 16 17:16 |
| oiaohm | msb__: how will you know it cups. | Jul 16 17:17 |
| oiaohm | Nothing about the process name creating the mess has to say cups. | Jul 16 17:17 |
| msb__ | look at names of latest tmp files | Jul 16 17:17 |
| msb__ | See who they belong to. | Jul 16 17:18 |
| oiaohm | This is the problem without tracking debugging the random pricks is hard. | Jul 16 17:18 |
| msb__ | How is my hard prick involved here? | Jul 16 17:18 |
| oiaohm | No that is guessing. | Jul 16 17:19 |
| oiaohm | There is nothing to say cups it self will have created a temp file. | Jul 16 17:19 |
| oiaohm | Yes starting the program creating the temp file to process the file for printing. | Jul 16 17:20 |
| oiaohm | But not in fact having to do anything itself. | Jul 16 17:20 |
| oiaohm | This is why you need tracking. | Jul 16 17:20 |
| oiaohm | Of course the pain could be coming from mysql, postesql.... and the list goes on. | Jul 16 17:20 |
| oiaohm | As these provide means to reach out and run custom applications. | Jul 16 17:21 |
| msb__ | I'm an engineer. I like troubleshooting. | Jul 16 17:21 |
| oiaohm | Problem is rebooting in every case that is a event happening is that you have not fixed the event from happening again. | Jul 16 17:22 |
| msb__ | I would just kill the latest huge file in /tmp. | Jul 16 17:22 |
| msb__ | Yeah, but it would take long enoug to fill up GBs of disk that I could see who was doing it. | Jul 16 17:23 |
| msb__ | "top" would show who is using cpu | Jul 16 17:24 |
| oiaohm | You are missing it. | Jul 16 17:24 |
| oiaohm | Finding who is doing it is not the problem. | Jul 16 17:24 |
| oiaohm | It finding who gave the order todo it is the problem. | Jul 16 17:25 |
| msb__ | Sure it is. Then I can kill it. Make it unexecutable if I have to. | Jul 16 17:25 |
| oiaohm | Until you get the one that gave the order todo it the problem will keep on happening. | Jul 16 17:25 |
| msb__ | Yesterday I figured out why procmail was rejecting some valid list mail. It was subtle. | Jul 16 17:26 |
| msb__ | Not if the one eating the space is unexecutable. | Jul 16 17:26 |
| oiaohm | But you knew you were looking a procmail right. | Jul 16 17:26 |
| oiaohm | msb__: you missed I said the process was reporting as like python or bash. | Jul 16 17:27 |
| oiaohm | So something generic that if you set it unexecutable you have broken a hell load. | Jul 16 17:27 |
| msb__ | Python I can do without for a while. Bash, I'd have to be clever. | Jul 16 17:28 |
| oiaohm | Of course the worst part about Linux process table is the reported command line can be a complete lie | Jul 16 17:28 |
| oiaohm | Its not that I don't have enginering background to fall back on msb__ | Jul 16 17:29 |
| msb__ | I have 133 bashes running. So I could see which one is using the most cycles and look at its PPID. | Jul 16 17:30 |
| oiaohm | msb__: I would prefer not to have to be clever and do like I do under bsd look at the tty that a service cannot change that has been assigned and locate it or look at the cgroup and locate it. | Jul 16 17:30 |
| oiaohm | PPID in Linux process table can be broken loss. | Jul 16 17:30 |
| msb__ | I am nearly 70 years old and have been three kinds of engineer. I _like_ being clever. Even having to be clever. | Jul 16 17:31 |
| oiaohm | So looking at the PPID does not have to lead you back to parrent. | Jul 16 17:31 |
| msb__ | It's gonna lead somewhere. | Jul 16 17:31 |
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| msb__ | lsof can be helpful too. | Jul 16 17:31 |
| oiaohm | Managing servers lots of you should learn attempting to be too clever is ways to get it burt. KISS idea comes first. | Jul 16 17:34 |
| oiaohm | msb__: ps -o cgroup <pid> and under openrc and systemd this tells you straight way what service/user started it. | Jul 16 17:35 |
| oiaohm | msb__: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/programming-9/how-to-make-ppid-of-a-process-as-init-without-killing-its-parent-267301/ | Jul 16 17:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxquestions.org | how to make ppid of a process as init without killing its parent [ http://ur1.ca/n50cp ] | Jul 16 17:38 | |
| oiaohm | Yes msb__ does not take much of a screw up to end up with your problem script reporting a PPID of 1 not what in fact started everything. | Jul 16 17:39 |
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| MinceR | afaik the "find out whether the service has started successfully" problem is not as solved as redcrap would have you believe | Jul 16 17:45 |
| MinceR | (neither is automatically restarting a failed service always a good idea) | Jul 16 17:45 |
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| msb__ | The chance of the govt murdering me because of my website (cosmicpenguin.com) is probably greater than the chance of my having these service problems, but if I do I'll remember your advice. | Jul 16 17:47 |
| msb__ | Oops, oiaohm has buggered off. | Jul 16 17:47 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 16 17:47 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Damn right. If I kill something I want it to stay dead until and unless I manually restart it. | Jul 16 17:49 |
| MinceR | "you keep what you kill." | Jul 16 17:49 |
| MinceR | more importantly, having a service die and restart may well be a component of an exploit | Jul 16 17:49 |
| MinceR | generally, if a service does not run reliably, the preferred solution is to fix it, not keep restarting it | Jul 16 17:50 |
| msb__ | True and true. | Jul 16 17:50 |
| MinceR | there are only a few services (like *getty) that normally need restarting | Jul 16 17:50 |
| cubexyz | /sbin/init q | Jul 16 17:51 |
| MinceR | "just restart it" does fit well into the redhat/microsoft mindset, though | Jul 16 17:51 |
| MinceR | "just reboot", "just reinstall" | Jul 16 17:51 |
| cubexyz | I still run pre-sshd systems | Jul 16 17:51 |
| cubexyz | resource exhaustion is a bigger problem then sshd not restarting | Jul 16 17:52 |
| cubexyz | you need a sentient being watching stuff | Jul 16 17:52 |
| schestowitz | [17:47] <msb__> Oops, oiaohm has buggered off. | Jul 16 17:53 |
| schestowitz | he often does so without prior warning | Jul 16 17:53 |
| schestowitz | his style | Jul 16 17:53 |
| cubexyz | that's OK :) | Jul 16 17:53 |
| MinceR | i can sort of understand it | Jul 16 17:53 |
| msb__ | Where is he located? | Jul 16 17:53 |
| schestowitz | About half the IRC logs of #techrights are (these days) about systemd - like it or hate it, systemd is without doubt controversial | Jul 16 17:53 |
| MinceR | when you've gotta go, you've gotta go :) | Jul 16 17:53 |
| cubexyz | australia I think | Jul 16 17:53 |
| MinceR | i think so too | Jul 16 17:53 |
| schestowitz | I think it's an important fork in the road | Jul 16 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Debian surrendered already | Jul 16 17:53 |
| MinceR | i hope it results in cleaning up gnu/linux | Jul 16 17:53 |
| cubexyz | no one thinks like I do, so I understand | Jul 16 17:53 |
| cubexyz | different folks have different opinions | Jul 16 17:54 |
| MinceR | having the windows fanboys move to systemd/systemd-kernel | Jul 16 17:54 |
| schestowitz | I don't know it well enough to decide | Jul 16 17:54 |
| MinceR | and removing the poetteringware from gnu/linux | Jul 16 17:54 |
| schestowitz | I have it running on one of my systems | Jul 16 17:54 |
| schestowitz | and it's a friggin' snail | Jul 16 17:54 |
| schestowitz | not sure if relates to systemd | Jul 16 17:54 |
| cubexyz | to me Linux is just part of a continuum of operating systems | Jul 16 17:54 |
| schestowitz | more of a plasma5 issue, I choose to believe... | Jul 16 17:54 |
| schestowitz | I kill and restart plasma and kwin like 5 times a day | Jul 16 17:54 |
| cubexyz | ok, that sounds bad | Jul 16 17:55 |
| msb__ | Devuan seems to be going strong, and since that poll says about 50% of Linux users don't like or want systemd, I think we're gonna be ok. | Jul 16 17:55 |
| cubexyz | Linux is developer driven | Jul 16 17:55 |
| cubexyz | mostly | Jul 16 17:56 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: If a server fails, you normally want it to autorestart. | Jul 16 17:56 |
| XRevan86 | Restarting in systemd is configurable per-service. | Jul 16 17:56 |
| cubexyz | I thought my idea of a serial login was good | Jul 16 17:57 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Did you see the systemd poll? http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150713#poll | Jul 16 17:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. [ http://ur1.ca/n4z10 ] | Jul 16 17:57 | |
| MinceR | XRevan86: i think the default (at least in their mind) is to restart all the things | Jul 16 17:57 |
| cubexyz | coreboot logs stuff via the serial port on startup, before the OS even loads | Jul 16 17:57 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if that's necessarily a good idea | Jul 16 17:57 |
| MinceR | especially without limit | Jul 16 17:57 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's not. | Jul 16 17:57 |
| MinceR | i wonder if they implement a configurable counter and limit (and time limit) | Jul 16 17:58 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: They did. | Jul 16 17:58 |
| cubexyz | restart 100 times then give up :) | Jul 16 17:58 |
| MinceR | that's good, then | Jul 16 17:58 |
| msb__ | Except if it _is_ and exploit, you've run it 100 times. | Jul 16 17:59 |
| msb__ | and -> an | Jul 16 17:59 |
| MinceR | and of course it would be probably preferable to implement the restart functionality separately | Jul 16 17:59 |
| MinceR | or at least outside pid1 | Jul 16 17:59 |
| cubexyz | Minix is supposedly highly fault-tolerant | Jul 16 18:01 |
| cubexyz | 6000 lines of kernel code... much smaller than FreeBSD or Linux | Jul 16 18:02 |
| cubexyz | it has a "reincarnation server" that restarts crashes drivers | Jul 16 18:03 |
| cubexyz | if a driver goes into an infinite loop the kernel will stop it | Jul 16 18:03 |
| msb__ | OT: Just want to mention again the new TV series "Zoo" about animals getting suddenly more intelligent and attacking humans, in order to stop us from wrecking the planet. 3 episodes so far. | Jul 16 18:07 |
| MinceR | iirc minix1 is not multiserver and/or has drivers in the kernel | Jul 16 18:11 |
| MinceR | and minix3 might be bigger than that | Jul 16 18:11 |
| cubexyz | 6,000 lines in Minix3 | Jul 16 18:12 |
| MinceR | ic | Jul 16 18:12 |
| cubexyz | most server folks I've talked to are running Linux or FreeBSD | Jul 16 18:14 |
| cubexyz | some are using OpenBSD | Jul 16 18:15 |
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| cubexyz | I remember once that openbsd did something odd with sshd | Jul 16 18:59 |
| cubexyz | it locked up, no access via keyboard or ssh | Jul 16 18:59 |
| cubexyz | only pings worked | Jul 16 18:59 |
| cubexyz | I might still have that log where I talked about exactly what happend with an expert | Jul 16 19:01 |
| cubexyz | I've logged years of coreboot discussions | Jul 16 19:03 |
| cubexyz | it's probably in there somewhere | Jul 16 19:03 |
| MinceR | http://www.pcworld.com/article/2948092/security/hacking-teams-malware-uses-uefi-rootkit-to-survive-os-reinstalls.html | Jul 16 19:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com | Hacking Team's malware uses a UEFI rootkit to survive operating system reinstalls | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/n515n ] | Jul 16 19:06 | |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: You know this will be a pro-SecureBoot argument, right? | Jul 16 19:08 |
| MinceR | everything will be that | Jul 16 19:08 |
| MinceR | though this might be more relevant to intel boot guard | Jul 16 19:08 |
| cubexyz | socketed bios, with backed up images | Jul 16 19:09 |
| cubexyz | I've thought about that a lot | Jul 16 19:09 |
| MinceR | we need a completely free computer (free hardware, free software, free storage devices) | Jul 16 19:10 |
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| cubexyz | the damned irc logs don't log the year :-/ | Jul 16 19:11 |
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| cubexyz | well one good thing, if any future computer archeologist wants to know about coreboot, I've got it covered :) | Jul 16 19:13 |
| cubexyz | completely forgot I was still logging | Jul 16 19:13 |
| cubexyz | the years kept passin' but the server keeps loggin' | Jul 16 19:15 |
| cubexyz | Press F1 to continue | Jul 16 19:16 |
| cubexyz | ok... the explanation I got about openbsd was: | Jul 16 19:18 |
| cubexyz | "ssh getting stuck is usually an indication that the kernel is very bruised from an OOPS or driver crash" | Jul 16 19:19 |
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| cubexyz | it's possible Minix3.3 is actually the best OS maybe, but I'll have to test it and see how it does | Jul 16 19:39 |
| cubexyz | some of the ideas it has seem very good | Jul 16 19:39 |
| MinceR | good luck | Jul 16 19:40 |
| cubexyz | :) | Jul 16 19:40 |
| cubexyz | it's minimal enough for qemu I think | Jul 16 19:42 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/_sinisterBen/status/621727867743801344 | Jul 16 19:45 |
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| schestowitz | Lefty having problems LOL | Jul 16 19:47 |
| cubexyz | the man sounds ill | Jul 16 19:48 |
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| cubebsd | hey hey new OS dudes | Jul 16 19:50 |
| cubebsd | I've time travelled from the year 1997 | Jul 16 19:51 |
| cubebsd | irc from quasijarus on a new build | Jul 16 19:51 |
| MinceR | 6:) | Jul 16 19:52 |
| MinceR | s/6// | Jul 16 19:52 |
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| msb__ | " <MinceR> we need a completely free computer (free hardware, free software, free storage devices)" | Jul 16 20:10 |
| msb__ | MinceR: That would be very difficult. | Jul 16 20:11 |
| msb__ | We would be back at the level of the first IBM PC. | Jul 16 20:12 |
| cubexyz | not really | Jul 16 20:12 |
| cubexyz | we have the engineering diagrams of a lot of the DEC computers | Jul 16 20:13 |
| msb__ | The 8088 CPU, 1MB of RAM if we were lucky, and maybe a 15MB hard disk | Jul 16 20:13 |
| cubexyz | I think we can do a bit better than the IBM PC | Jul 16 20:13 |
| cubexyz | Microvax can handle 16 megs and run 4.3BSD | Jul 16 20:13 |
| msb__ | It would be very difficult to make a microvax chip. | Jul 16 20:14 |
| msb__ | wafer-fab equipment is extremely precise. | Jul 16 20:15 |
| cubexyz | well sure, it would be pretty hard to make any microprocessor | Jul 16 20:15 |
| msb__ | Likewise for hard drives. | Jul 16 20:15 |
| msb__ | We have to keep using the parts made by increasingly fascist capitalism, but turn them to our own usage. | Jul 16 20:16 |
| msb__ | Work around things like UEFI and secure-boot. | Jul 16 20:16 |
| msb__ | At least we can control the software. | Jul 16 20:16 |
| cubexyz | msb__, discrete transistors, but it would still be hard | Jul 16 20:17 |
| MinceR | msb__: we would have computers we could trust | Jul 16 20:17 |
| MinceR | without all this nasty fractal of black boxes full of back doors | Jul 16 20:17 |
| cubexyz | msb__, I was thinking more along the lines of salvaging a microvax, rather than recreating one | Jul 16 20:18 |
| cubexyz | it's got memory, it's got (pretty big) hard drive, it's well understood | Jul 16 20:18 |
| cubexyz | it's still VLSI tech of course | Jul 16 20:18 |
| msb__ | But they would be so expensive and require so much labor with discrete transistors that very few people could afford them. | Jul 16 20:18 |
| MinceR | rapid prototyping and additive manufacturing methods may yet help with that | Jul 16 20:19 |
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| cubexyz | since people are junking old computers, why not save some? | Jul 16 20:20 |
| cubexyz | much easier than recreation | Jul 16 20:20 |
| msb__ | "additive manufacturing methods" ? | Jul 16 20:20 |
| MinceR | just because a computer is old doesn't mean it's free of backdoors | Jul 16 20:20 |
| MinceR | msb__: 3d printing and stuff like that | Jul 16 20:20 |
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| cubexyz | well if you go back far enough, it won't have a backdoor :) | Jul 16 20:21 |
| MinceR | how will i know? | Jul 16 20:21 |
| cubexyz | we have commented bios for most of the DEC boxes | Jul 16 20:22 |
| cubexyz | 4.3BSD and any old unix you can build from source | Jul 16 20:22 |
| cubexyz | you even have the engineering diagrams | Jul 16 20:23 |
| msb__ | That's probably accurate to 1/10 mm. or so. VLSI of 2008 used 65nm. | Jul 16 20:24 |
| msb__ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very-large-scale_integration | Jul 16 20:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Very-large-scale integration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/n51rq ] | Jul 16 20:24 | |
| cubexyz | early microvax was 1987 era | Jul 16 20:25 |
| msb__ | Why are you worried about backdoors? | Jul 16 20:26 |
| cubexyz | it's not 65nm, but I can't recall what they used back then | Jul 16 20:26 |
| msb__ | If the stormtroopers dislike you, they'll just smash in your door and shoot you. | Jul 16 20:27 |
| MinceR | the stormtroopers will find out why to dislike you by monitoring you through the backdoor | Jul 16 20:27 |
| cubexyz | more like 180 nm | Jul 16 20:27 |
| MinceR | and they'll find you through the backdoor | Jul 16 20:27 |
| msb__ | What we need is to get enough people sufficiently conscious to have a stable and equitable society. | Jul 16 20:28 |
| MinceR | that sounds futile | Jul 16 20:28 |
| cubexyz | sorry, actually I think early microvax was older than 180 nm | Jul 16 20:28 |
| MinceR | also, what will we do until then? | Jul 16 20:28 |
| cubexyz | more like 800 nm for 1987 | Jul 16 20:29 |
| msb__ | It may be, in which case humanity will perish like all the other intelligent species that should exist by the Drake Equation. | Jul 16 20:29 |
| cubexyz | and you can go back earlier, I was just thinking you'd want ethernet :) | Jul 16 20:29 |
| MinceR | or they do but they're hiding from the nastiest ones | Jul 16 20:30 |
| cubexyz | even early Pentium used 800 nm | Jul 16 20:30 |
| MinceR | the sort of thing humans would develop into if they didn't exterminate themselves first | Jul 16 20:30 |
| msb__ | Maybe. | Jul 16 20:30 |
| msb__ | Problem is, psychopathy is a very simple and obvious strategy for individual survival. | Jul 16 20:30 |
| msb__ | It will occur in every species that evolves intelligence. | Jul 16 20:31 |
| MinceR | i don't see how such a mental disorder would be inevitable | Jul 16 20:31 |
| msb__ | Because it is simple and effective. | Jul 16 20:32 |
| cubexyz | so when we talk about VLSI we are talking everything from 1984 until now | Jul 16 20:32 |
| cubexyz | that's quite a large spectrum | Jul 16 20:32 |
| msb__ | Destroy everyone who might want anything that you want. | Jul 16 20:32 |
| cubexyz | msb__, except civilization also requires co-operation | Jul 16 20:33 |
| msb__ | Sharks, black-widow spiders. | Jul 16 20:33 |
| MinceR | except society detects and handles most people with ASPD | Jul 16 20:33 |
| cubexyz | no one single person could have made a modern computer | Jul 16 20:33 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: yes, but cooperation is not something that genetic evolution selects for. | Jul 16 20:34 |
| msb__ | Unless psychopaths are not permitted to reproduce. | Jul 16 20:34 |
| cubexyz | we're not just the produces of genetics, we learn from the previous generations due to our ability to record information | Jul 16 20:35 |
| cubexyz | s/produces/products/ | Jul 16 20:35 |
| MinceR | evolution appears to have already selected for cooperation | Jul 16 20:35 |
| msb__ | but psychopaths, at least some of them, are genetic. | Jul 16 20:35 |
| msb__ | And the positions of power in the govt, corporations, and media are full of them. | Jul 16 20:36 |
| MinceR | those are still a small minority of all people | Jul 16 20:37 |
| msb__ | They are very good at taking power, and very good at appearing to be human. | Jul 16 20:37 |
| MinceR | most people don't have power | Jul 16 20:37 |
| cubexyz | old microvax: VLSI, NMOS, 5 mhz, 200 ns cycle time | Jul 16 20:37 |
| cubexyz | 125,00 transistors | Jul 16 20:37 |
| MinceR | from The Mask of Sanity, it seems to me that most psychopath would not be able to gain power | Jul 16 20:37 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mask_of_Sanity | Jul 16 20:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | The Mask of Sanity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/n51v5 ] | Jul 16 20:37 | |
| msb__ | MinceR: yes, but positions of power are full of psychopaths | Jul 16 20:38 |
| cubexyz | well you get rid of the old psychos since everyone dies | Jul 16 20:38 |
| cubexyz | then you get new psychos :) | Jul 16 20:38 |
| msb__ | But new ones are born. | Jul 16 20:38 |
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| cubexyz | I still marvel at VLSI technology | Jul 16 20:39 |
| msb__ | The "people" in the US govt that ordered the murders of 2,000,000+ people in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya, and the "people | Jul 16 20:39 |
| msb__ | who carried out the orders were/are psychopaths. | Jul 16 20:40 |
| msb__ | People in the US honor those in the military, when actually the latter are no better than Nazi soldiers. | Jul 16 20:41 |
| msb__ | Most people are living in The Matrix -- a false reality. | Jul 16 20:42 |
| msb__ | Waking people up to that has to be our highest priority. | Jul 16 20:42 |
| MinceR | seems to be an impossible mission | Jul 16 20:43 |
| msb__ | Then the human race will die. | Jul 16 20:43 |
| MinceR | the most successful religious memes prevent other memes from taking their place | Jul 16 20:43 |
| MinceR | indeed it will | Jul 16 20:43 |
| msb__ | In the US in the 1960s, a new culture began to form, largely due to cannabis, which helped people deprogram themselves. | Jul 16 20:44 |
| msb__ | Many of us knew this at the time. | Jul 16 20:45 |
| cubexyz | one doesn't really need to deprogram themselves, just think independently | Jul 16 20:45 |
| cubexyz | unless there part of some cult | Jul 16 20:45 |
| cubexyz | s/there/their/ | Jul 16 20:45 |
| msb__ | The monsters knew it, which is why they made cannabis as illegal as murder. | Jul 16 20:45 |
| MinceR | so not as illegal as copyright infringement? :> | Jul 16 20:46 |
| msb__ | People do need to be deprogrammed -- from patriotism, predatory capitalism, trusting the govt and corporate media, etc. | Jul 16 20:47 |
| MinceR | i suspect that most people are incapable of critical thinking and even marijuana won't necessarily enable them to do so | Jul 16 20:47 |
| msb__ | And from JCI religion, | Jul 16 20:47 |
| MinceR | maybe they can be taught to do so, maybe not | Jul 16 20:47 |
| msb__ | Critical thinking can be taught and learned. | Jul 16 20:47 |
| cubexyz | sure even a child starts to question Santa Claus after a certain age | Jul 16 20:47 |
| msb__ | It isn't complicated. | Jul 16 20:47 |
| MinceR | also, afaik hinduism isn't much better either -- it seems to have a nasty caste system built into it | Jul 16 20:48 |
| MinceR | yes, but it may require a certain level of mental capability, which may not be common enough | Jul 16 20:48 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: many children don't even question YHWH. not even until they die of old age. | Jul 16 20:48 |
| __martin__ | shiet | Jul 16 20:50 |
| __martin__ | https://i.imgur.com/q5ByzMo.png | Jul 16 20:50 |
| cubexyz | sorry to digress for a moment, but this picture is interesting: | Jul 16 20:50 |
| __martin__ | #adobecrapware #flashcrash #softwarefreedom | Jul 16 20:50 |
| cubexyz | http://regmedia.co.uk/2011/11/14/4004_die_large.jpg | Jul 16 20:50 |
| __martin__ | cubexyz: | Jul 16 20:51 |
| __martin__ | amazing | Jul 16 20:51 |
| msb__ | http://pastebin.com/f1Uau5Bh | Jul 16 20:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pastebin.com | Critical Thinking - Pastebin.com | Jul 16 20:51 | |
| msb__ | My formulation. | Jul 16 20:51 |
| cubexyz | 10-micron process back then | Jul 16 20:52 |
| cubexyz | maybe someday we'll have do-it-yourself CPUs | Jul 16 20:52 |
| MinceR | in the current age, step 4 is impossible. | Jul 16 20:52 |
| MinceR | information is generated and made accessible at a greater rate than any simple human could process it. | Jul 16 20:53 |
| MinceR | s/simp/sing/ | Jul 16 20:53 |
| cubexyz | going back to SSI is difficult too | Jul 16 20:54 |
| cubexyz | actually very difficult | Jul 16 20:54 |
| msb__ | MinceR: For any particular topic, there are only a small number -- max 6 -- of differing formulations. It suffices to read an example or two of each of them. | Jul 16 20:58 |
| msb__ | MinceR: That suffices for step 4. | Jul 16 20:59 |
| msb__ | A fairly high level of mental capability is required to follow professional sports in detail, or cars, or women's fashions, or soap operas. | Jul 16 21:01 |
| MinceR | what if one does not care about "professional sports"? | Jul 16 21:02 |
| MinceR | or soap operas? | Jul 16 21:02 |
| msb__ | If that mental capability were used for useful critical thinking, it would suffice. | Jul 16 21:02 |
| msb__ | The point is that most people have the capability to follow soap operas or sports. | Jul 16 21:03 |
| msb__ | The rulers program them to do that so that they will not think for themselves and question the 1% vs. 99% inequality. | Jul 16 21:04 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 16 21:04 |
| msb__ | With cannabis in common usage in the 1960s, people were widely questioning what the US govt told them about Vietnam. | Jul 16 21:05 |
| msb__ | There followed protests with millions of people, that actually stopped that war. | Jul 16 21:06 |
| MinceR | but how do you know those people used cannabis and became able to think critically afterward (as a consequence of that) and not the other way around? | Jul 16 21:06 |
| MinceR | or even because of a common cause? | Jul 16 21:06 |
| msb__ | The political/psychological/conscious music of bands like the Jefferson Airplane/Starship, CSNY, Fleetwood Mac, etc., also helped wake people up. | Jul 16 21:07 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Because I was there. | Jul 16 21:07 |
| msb__ | I was born in 1945 in Philadelphia. | Jul 16 21:08 |
| msb__ | ...a major urban center. | Jul 16 21:08 |
| msb__ | I lived in "hippie" areas. | Jul 16 21:08 |
| msb__ | Everyone smoked cannabis. | Jul 16 21:09 |
| msb__ | Some used LSD, psilocybin mushrooms, or peyote (which was the best, but very hard to get). | Jul 16 21:09 |
| msb__ | Most cultures on Earth use psychedelic plants. | Jul 16 21:10 |
| msb__ | But not JCI cultures. | Jul 16 21:10 |
| MinceR | that's still just a constellation of psychedelic substance use and anti-war sentiment | Jul 16 21:10 |
| MinceR | actually, even some JCI cultures do | Jul 16 21:11 |
| MinceR | christianity even has people drink ethanol at church | Jul 16 21:11 |
| msb__ | We also had "underground newspapers" -- the Internet of the day. | Jul 16 21:11 |
| msb__ | ethanol is not psychedelic. It is stupefying. It decreases the ability to think. | Jul 16 21:11 |
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| MinceR | yes, but it still alters the way the neural system works | Jul 16 21:15 |
| __martin__ | even more lol'd @ winblows chooser | Jul 16 21:15 |
| __martin__ | http://static.cdn.ubi.com/0026/Global/Steam/steam-patch-2.png | Jul 16 21:15 |
| MinceR | i.e. it does something they keep attacking other drugs for | Jul 16 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Phone is going away. | Jul 16 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | It's a zombie platform that just doesn't know it's dead yet. | Jul 16 21:16 |
| msb__ | Mere alteration does not suffice. Psychedelics, when used properly, help the brain work better. | Jul 16 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is pushing Android apps more than it is Windows Phone. | Jul 16 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | I have several of them on my new Galaxy S6. | Jul 16 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | They preloaded Onedrive and OneNote. | Jul 16 21:17 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jul 16 21:19 |
| MinceR | http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2015/07/where-next-for-microsoft-as-the-mercy-killing-of-lumia-and-windows-phone-will-happen-in-next-year-or.html | Jul 16 21:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Where Next for Microsoft? - As the mercy killing of Lumia and Windows Phone will happen in next year or two, what impacts to Microsoft world domination plans? [ http://ur1.ca/n526v ] | Jul 16 21:19 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I posted a joke on my Facebook wall earlier. | Jul 16 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | "I see that they still have the iPhone For Life plan, but that does come with the possibility of parole." | Jul 16 21:23 |
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| DaemonFC | I stayed with Sprint. | Jul 16 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | If anyone can believe it, there are carriers with worse coverage than Sprint. | Jul 16 21:24 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 16 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | Everyone seems to think Sprint is the pits, but T-Mobile is a lot worse. | Jul 16 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | Take Sprint's coverage area, and reduce it by about 40% and you get an idea of what T-Mobile has. | Jul 16 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | Sprint isn't so bad unless you're really out in the middle of nowhere. | Jul 16 21:26 |
| msb__ | . | Jul 16 21:31 |
| msb__ | Here is my -- I don't know what to call it -- manifesto? It won't fit in pastebin. It needs links. http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html | Jul 16 21:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | THE CAUSE AND CURE OF HUMANITY'S PROBLEMS [ http://ur1.ca/n52a6 ] | Jul 16 21:32 | |
| DaemonFC | Removing some of Sprint's crapware. | Jul 16 21:34 |
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| msb__ | Comments? Suggestions? | Jul 16 21:43 |
| msb__ | gde33: ? | Jul 16 21:43 |
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| MinceR | actually, a gene benefitting people related to you would also have an advantage in evolution | Jul 16 21:45 |
| MinceR | to a slight extent, even one that benefits random members of the same species would | Jul 16 21:45 |
| MinceR | (citation: The Selfish Gene) | Jul 16 21:46 |
| gde33 | msb__: I think it is the beginning of your book, each section you have here is the introduction of a chapter. | Jul 16 21:48 |
| msb__ | MinceR: It would. What counts in Darwinian evolution is how many children the person has, and do they care for them well enough that they have children of their own, | Jul 16 21:48 |
| gde33 | many books are structured that way, if you read the first paragraph you get the general idea | Jul 16 21:49 |
| gde33 | there seem to be 3 kinds, 2 of those want to build a collective and one who does not | Jul 16 21:49 |
| msb__ | gde33: Thanks! But I don't want it to go beyond a pamphlet, actually a Web page with links. | Jul 16 21:49 |
| gde33 | the first of the 2 wants to build a collective together and the second wants to be in bondage | Jul 16 21:50 |
| gde33 | like it takes 2 to sm | Jul 16 21:50 |
| msb__ | sm? | Jul 16 21:51 |
| gde33 | with psychopaths ruling for such a long time the victim is sort of successful in the evolutionary sense | Jul 16 21:51 |
| gde33 | Sadomasochism | Jul 16 21:51 |
| gde33 | the victim is successful like chickens are one of the most successful species on this world | Jul 16 21:52 |
| gde33 | *the willing victim | Jul 16 21:52 |
| gde33 | they seem to sabotage the revolution every time | Jul 16 21:52 |
| msb__ | But hopefully that willingness can be deprogrammed. | Jul 16 21:52 |
| gde33 | they just have to be contained like the psychopaths | Jul 16 21:53 |
| gde33 | or you end up at the front and most of your batallion runs away | Jul 16 21:53 |
| msb__ | Or just gradually offerred a better life. | Jul 16 21:53 |
| gde33 | it is like: they killed 4 students? so what? | Jul 16 21:53 |
| gde33 | we are suppose to be impressed by that statistic? | Jul 16 21:54 |
| gde33 | the psychopaths killed well over a hundred million in the first and second world war | Jul 16 21:54 |
| msb__ | That frightened and discouraged people. Those students were engaged in a large protest. | Jul 16 21:54 |
| gde33 | and probably a few times that after it | Jul 16 21:54 |
| gde33 | yeah, fightened by that? wtf? | Jul 16 21:55 |
| gde33 | like staying indoors because of lightning strikes | Jul 16 21:55 |
| msb__ | They were middle-class students, and they thought that protesting the war was a safe thing to do. | Jul 16 21:55 |
| msb__ | Then the govt brought in soldiers and ordered them to murder a few. | Jul 16 21:56 |
| MinceR | msb__: so what's up with the current trend of legalizing marijuana? | Jul 16 21:57 |
| gde33 | msb__: with ghandi they just did it again and again | Jul 16 21:57 |
| gde33 | until the soldiers killed about a thousand and had enough of it | Jul 16 21:57 |
| gde33 | there is an easy solution | Jul 16 21:58 |
| gde33 | you just join that police force | Jul 16 21:58 |
| msb__ | I'm not sure. It's getting widely known that cannabidiol (CBD) cures some cancers. | Jul 16 21:58 |
| gde33 | become the oppressor | Jul 16 21:58 |
| msb__ | gde33: But police have a pyramidal control structure, and psychopaths at the top are still giving the orders. | Jul 16 21:59 |
| gde33 | turn on them when the time is right | Jul 16 22:00 |
| msb__ | That would require a majority of the police to be conscious. | Jul 16 22:00 |
| gde33 | not at all, they are like sheep, if enough of them say no it wont happen | Jul 16 22:00 |
| msb__ | Why would they say no? | Jul 16 22:01 |
| gde33 | infiltration is quite simple | Jul 16 22:01 |
| msb__ | I mean, why wouldn't they follow the orders from the top. | Jul 16 22:01 |
| gde33 | if you join the police you would say no | Jul 16 22:02 |
| gde33 | there is not one infuential organization in the world that was not successfully infiltrated again and again | Jul 16 22:02 |
| MinceR | looks like i don't need cannabis -- water here isn't fluoridated :> | Jul 16 22:02 |
| msb__ | MinceR: you need more psychedelic than your pineal gland makes. | Jul 16 22:03 |
| gde33 | my experience was that it makes the indoctrination into something strange and alien | Jul 16 22:03 |
| msb__ | gde33: What does? | Jul 16 22:04 |
| gde33 | smoking pot. I was like.... uhh.... so tell me... why do people need jobs? | Jul 16 22:04 |
| gde33 | I thought we had work to do, cant we focus on that? | Jul 16 22:04 |
| gde33 | why should silly job rethoric take priority over doing the work? | Jul 16 22:04 |
| gde33 | like say: if I shoot protestors I have a job? thats it? | Jul 16 22:05 |
| msb__ | Waking people up is the most important work, but | Jul 16 22:05 |
| gde33 | I make coffee for people who are to lazy to do it themselves? tadaa? a job was created? | Jul 16 22:05 |
| msb__ | gde33: What are you saying? What's your point? | Jul 16 22:06 |
| gde33 | that it makes you question everything | Jul 16 22:06 |
| gde33 | when stoned the things you take for granted seem awefully dubious | Jul 16 22:06 |
| msb__ | Cannabis? | Jul 16 22:06 |
| gde33 | ye | Jul 16 22:07 |
| gde33 | it is nice when you are young | Jul 16 22:07 |
| MinceR | you need certain resources for survival. doing a job is one possible (and common) way to get access to those resources. | Jul 16 22:07 |
| msb__ | OK, first of all it requires non-oxidized cannabis. The chlorophyll in the leaves serves as an indicator. It should be green. | Jul 16 22:08 |
| MinceR | (via salary->money->trade) | Jul 16 22:08 |
| gde33 | MinceR: yes, but even supperfical examination shows that it is a completely idiotic way of looking at things. | Jul 16 22:08 |
| MinceR | what is? | Jul 16 22:08 |
| gde33 | what you said boils down to slavery for access | Jul 16 22:09 |
| gde33 | that means it will be ethernal | Jul 16 22:09 |
| MinceR | no, it doesn't | Jul 16 22:09 |
| MinceR | no, it doesn't mean that | Jul 16 22:09 |
| msb__ | Doing a useful job for good pay is not slavery. | Jul 16 22:09 |
| gde33 | no amount of technology will remove the need to do jobs | Jul 16 22:09 |
| gde33 | technology becomes bullshit | Jul 16 22:09 |
| MinceR | i think it might | Jul 16 22:09 |
| MinceR | whether humanity can survive and reach that level is another matter | Jul 16 22:09 |
| gde33 | progress becomes undesirable | Jul 16 22:09 |
| gde33 | the difference between jobs and work is small but not insignificant | Jul 16 22:10 |
| gde33 | we need to do all kinds of work to sustain ourselves | Jul 16 22:10 |
| msb__ | As machines produce more goods and services, the amount of work that people have to do decreases. | Jul 16 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | gde33: My favorite coffee is Dunkin Donuts dark roast with cream, Chips Ahoy syrup, and splenda. | Jul 16 22:10 |
| gde33 | jobs are not the answer to doing the nesasary work | Jul 16 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | You can by the coffee to make at home, but not the syrup | Jul 16 22:10 |
| msb__ | This is causing big problems under capitalism already with mass unemployment. | Jul 16 22:11 |
| gde33 | msb__: yes but who cares? | Jul 16 22:11 |
| MinceR | jobs are the form in which division of labor is implemented | Jul 16 22:11 |
| gde33 | why are we not exited that the work is finally finished? | Jul 16 22:11 |
| msb__ | MinceR: right! | Jul 16 22:11 |
| gde33 | it is like any kind of work, say cleaning the dishes | Jul 16 22:12 |
| MinceR | division of labor makes society more efficient and allows people to do things they like doing more than things they dislike doing (to some extent) | Jul 16 22:12 |
| gde33 | at some point you are done | Jul 16 22:12 |
| MinceR | gde33: we should be | Jul 16 22:12 |
| gde33 | this should be reason to be exited | Jul 16 22:12 |
| MinceR | instead of complaining that machines are taking our jerbs, people should train themselves for less menial tasks | Jul 16 22:12 |
| gde33 | efficency is in focusing on the work not in focusing on keeping people bussy | Jul 16 22:13 |
| msb__ | The psychopaths in control don't want capitalism to end. | Jul 16 22:13 |
| gde33 | MinceR: take health care, you need trained people, you need machines, you need factories, you need research | Jul 16 22:13 |
| msb__ | That's why the US has attacked socialist nation throughout the 20th Century. | Jul 16 22:13 |
| gde33 | MinceR: in the expoitation model you simply cant have health care | Jul 16 22:14 |
| gde33 | the price will go up to the point where proffit is the greatest | Jul 16 22:14 |
| MinceR | msb__: those "socialist nations" were more exploitative than the "capitalist" ones | Jul 16 22:14 |
| gde33 | MinceR: certainly! | Jul 16 22:14 |
| MinceR | gde33: wasn't that fixed already? | Jul 16 22:14 |
| gde33 | fuck marx was all over the jobs nonsense | Jul 16 22:14 |
| msb__ | It was a false kind of socialism, actually state capitalism. | Jul 16 22:15 |
| msb__ | Good socialism requires real democracy at every level. | Jul 16 22:15 |
| MinceR | the term i've seen for that is "state socialism" | Jul 16 22:15 |
| gde33 | it was just an example, pot makes you question everything. To find the right answer you have to ask the right questions. | Jul 16 22:15 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 16 22:15 |
| gde33 | our culture is full of completely crazy things we never question | Jul 16 22:16 |
| MinceR | some of us do :> | Jul 16 22:17 |
| gde33 | the most idiotic one to me was that I thought people acted based on logic and reason. | Jul 16 22:17 |
| gde33 | then it one day struck me as something I just like to believe | Jul 16 22:17 |
| MinceR | some people do, but this is probably rare | Jul 16 22:17 |
| gde33 | I was just telling myself that that was the case | Jul 16 22:18 |
| MinceR | it was also said that we often rationalize our actions after deciding or doing them | Jul 16 22:18 |
| MinceR | though the research this was based on was dubious | Jul 16 22:18 |
| msb__ | People can learn to think rationally, critically. | Jul 16 22:18 |
| gde33 | msb__: I like to tell myself that too | Jul 16 22:18 |
| msb__ | If they are given information on how to do it. | Jul 16 22:18 |
| gde33 | but if you look carefully you are just saying something you like to believe to be true | Jul 16 22:19 |
| msb__ | It's true, at least for some people. | Jul 16 22:19 |
| gde33 | take software | Jul 16 22:19 |
| gde33 | or any product we use | Jul 16 22:19 |
| msb__ | I think much more accurately now than I did 20 years ago. | Jul 16 22:19 |
| gde33 | to find the best product one would have to make up his own mind | Jul 16 22:20 |
| cubexyz | well windows 95, no wonder :) | Jul 16 22:20 |
| gde33 | that would require trying all of the offerings | Jul 16 22:20 |
| gde33 | I do do this sometimes, I install all windos irc clients, learn to configure and use them | Jul 16 22:21 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't even consider windows-only irc clients | Jul 16 22:21 |
| gde33 | but other people dont do that, they dont value my opinion either. | Jul 16 22:21 |
| gde33 | MinceR: exactly, my investigation is seriously flawed by design | Jul 16 22:21 |
| MinceR | those would require me to run windows or try to make them work with wine | Jul 16 22:21 |
| gde33 | that is how people end up on facebook, not because it offers interesting features, just heard mentality. | Jul 16 22:22 |
| gde33 | logical would be for us to all agree a social network is a great idea. | Jul 16 22:23 |
| gde33 | then we make a list of features it should have | Jul 16 22:23 |
| gde33 | code it | Jul 16 22:23 |
| gde33 | but that would require logical beings | Jul 16 22:24 |
| MinceR | we could use diaspora or gnu social | Jul 16 22:24 |
| gde33 | msb__: I honestly dont know if I think more logically, I like to think I do | Jul 16 22:24 |
| MinceR | or both | Jul 16 22:25 |
| gde33 | MinceR: certainly | Jul 16 22:25 |
| cubexyz | what's wrong with IRC? | Jul 16 22:25 |
| MinceR | i might do so once i get my vps, but i'm not strongly motivated | Jul 16 22:25 |
| MinceR | yeah, irc is great | Jul 16 22:25 |
| msb__ | There are enough logical beings to have created GNU/Linux and all its tools and apps. | Jul 16 22:25 |
| MinceR | and might well be sufficient for me | Jul 16 22:25 |
| MinceR | msb__: and so much other technology, and science | Jul 16 22:25 |
| gde33 | cubelog: irc logs are unorganized to the point of being unreadable | Jul 16 22:25 |
| MinceR | grep helps :> | Jul 16 22:26 |
| cubexyz | I just grepped years worth of coreboot logs today | Jul 16 22:26 |
| gde33 | if you write your thougths into a blog your effort creates something valueable over time | Jul 16 22:26 |
| msb__ | konversation keeps good logs | Jul 16 22:26 |
| gde33 | logs cant compete with articles in the search results | Jul 16 22:27 |
| msb__ | Some simple formatting scripts make them easy to read | Jul 16 22:27 |
| gde33 | the thoughts shared here from time to time are good enough to have a large audience | Jul 16 22:28 |
| gde33 | as an irc log that cant happen | Jul 16 22:28 |
| msb__ | Then you can extract good discussions and edit them into articles. | Jul 16 22:28 |
| cubexyz | actually schestowitz puts the logs on the web | Jul 16 22:28 |
| gde33 | just like activism on facebook leaves no trail of having ever existed | Jul 16 22:29 |
| cubexyz | plus there's a few logbots | Jul 16 22:29 |
| gde33 | msb__: sure | Jul 16 22:29 |
| MinceR | well, if you can put your thoughts more formally, a website or blog can be useful | Jul 16 22:29 |
| MinceR | we talk differently on irc most of the time :) | Jul 16 22:29 |
| cubexyz | 100 years from now folks will still be able to read about how win95 sucks :) | Jul 16 22:29 |
| MinceR | i'm not so sure | Jul 16 22:30 |
| gde33 | the medium should aid the creation of value rather than noise | Jul 16 22:30 |
| MinceR | it's so difficult to find evidence even of events that didn't happen so long ago | Jul 16 22:30 |
| MinceR | say, 10 or 15 years ago | Jul 16 22:30 |
| cubexyz | actually I have VHS tapes of BBS logins from the 1980s | Jul 16 22:31 |
| gde33 | cubelog: those are exceptions | Jul 16 22:31 |
| gde33 | most of our stuff is just burned | Jul 16 22:31 |
| cubexyz | this era we're in right now is probably the most recorded era ever | Jul 16 22:32 |
| gde33 | Take this silly example | Jul 16 22:32 |
| gde33 | a smot ramp looks like this http://go-here.nl/smot-hires.jpg | Jul 16 22:32 |
| msb__ | google had everything from text Usenet, but threw it away a few years ago. | Jul 16 22:32 |
| gde33 | it is very strange because the ball rolls up the ramp then drops from the high end | Jul 16 22:32 |
| gde33 | there use to be hundreds of videos showing these | Jul 16 22:32 |
| MinceR | i've made it a policy to save websites (instead of just bookmarking) i intend to use as evidence or reference in the future | Jul 16 22:32 |
| gde33 | now there are 3 or 4 videos of smot ramps that are build wrong | Jul 16 22:33 |
| cubexyz | interesting, this is the first I've heard of such a thing | Jul 16 22:34 |
| gde33 | here is one that doesn't start at table level https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MEOit3ff4Hg#t=15 | Jul 16 22:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Magnet ramp 1 - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/n52r5 ] | Jul 16 22:34 | |
| gde33 | it just fails to capture the toy | Jul 16 22:34 |
| gde33 | this one is wrong too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMCLKKVef0E | Jul 16 22:35 |
| cubexyz | no commercial version? | Jul 16 22:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Rampa magnetica magnetic ramp smot Alessio Fusaro - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/n52rc ] | Jul 16 22:35 | |
| gde33 | nope | Jul 16 22:35 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Magnetic_Overunity_Toy | Jul 16 22:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Simple Magnetic Overunity Toy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/n52rg ] | Jul 16 22:35 | |
| gde33 | I think it is a hilarious toy | Jul 16 22:35 |
| gde33 | but it did have lots of pages about it self | Jul 16 22:38 |
| gde33 | most ideas people have do not | Jul 16 22:38 |
| gde33 | they cant be discovered | Jul 16 22:38 |
| gde33 | all the different flat logs must be full of fantastic treasures | Jul 16 22:39 |
| gde33 | irc, wiki's, usenet, facebook, twitter etc etc | Jul 16 22:39 |
| cubexyz | yeah and Microsoft wanted to crash the party with IRCX | Jul 16 22:40 |
| cubexyz | then MSNP | Jul 16 22:40 |
| msb__ | That video does not show overunity. The guy has to move the spheres by hand. | Jul 16 22:41 |
| cubexyz | IRC, another invention from Finland | Jul 16 22:41 |
| MinceR | lol ircx | Jul 16 22:41 |
| MinceR | typical crappy m$ product | Jul 16 22:41 |
| gde33 | msb__: the jury is still out on the overunity | Jul 16 22:42 |
| gde33 | the wikipedia article has no sources | Jul 16 22:42 |
| cubexyz | gde33, ever heard of the Hutchison Effect? | Jul 16 22:43 |
| gde33 | sure | Jul 16 22:43 |
| msb__ | An overunity one would be simple to build, if it works. SMOT is just a four-letter word. | Jul 16 22:43 |
| cubexyz | levitation of heavy objects, and other weird stuff | Jul 16 22:43 |
| msb__ | Hutchison Effect is bullshit. | Jul 16 22:43 |
| gde33 | someone told john that if he had those devices he should try that | Jul 16 22:44 |
| gde33 | but he cant make a decent video or write documentation | Jul 16 22:44 |
| msb__ | a box with a video camera mounted at the edge, looking inside. Then somebody flipps the box over and the objects appear to ascend in the video.. | Jul 16 22:45 |
| cubexyz | another oddball thing.. quasijarus works better when you login with telnet | Jul 16 22:47 |
| msb__ | Same thing was done with a whole room in the movie Poltergeist (1982) in which JoBeth Williams appeared to climb up a wall. | Jul 16 22:47 |
| cubexyz | unfortunately there's barely anyone who uses it, so progress with it is slow | Jul 16 22:47 |
| cubexyz | msb__, I think I remember that | Jul 16 22:48 |
| gde33 | msb__: you cant prove anything about it if the guy cant document stuff | Jul 16 22:48 |
| gde33 | just noise | Jul 16 22:48 |
| msb__ | I thought quasijarus became extinct millions of years ago. | Jul 16 22:48 |
| cubexyz | nah, I still use it | Jul 16 22:49 |
| msb__ | Wasn't the Polyphase Quasitron used to destroy the Magnetic Monster? | Jul 16 22:50 |
| gde33 | not one quasijarus video on the interwebs | Jul 16 22:51 |
| cubexyz | there's a 2.11BSD video | Jul 16 22:51 |
| cubexyz | I'm not sure what Sokolov is doing with quasijarus these days | Jul 16 22:51 |
| cubexyz | I was hoping to get lynx working on it | Jul 16 22:52 |
| cubexyz | gde33, try 4.3bsd | Jul 16 22:56 |
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| msb__ | I downloaded the youtube video of Spielberg showing the rotating room in Poltergeist, but the shitpigs have removed it from youtube. | Jul 16 22:59 |
| msb__ | Anyhow Hutchison is a fraud. | Jul 16 23:00 |
| gde33 | the greek debt debate last night was not available in germany because streaming youtube is banned | Jul 16 23:00 |
| msb__ | He makes the deformed metal bars by making casts of vegetable root systems. | Jul 16 23:01 |
| gde33 | could be, I see nothing that suggests anything is real or fake | Jul 16 23:01 |
| cubexyz | it is interesting that IRC has far less users that facebook does | Jul 16 23:02 |
| msb__ | Anything you like on youtube, download it -- http://youtube-dl.org/ | Jul 16 23:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-youtube-dl.org | youtube-dl | Jul 16 23:03 | |
| cubexyz | IRC seems to attract more knowledgeable people, at least with regard to computer skills | Jul 16 23:03 |
| cubexyz | I can barely stand facebook | Jul 16 23:03 |
| gde33 | internet for suckers | Jul 16 23:05 |
| msb__ | If there are two ways to create a video, one that violates laws of physics, is undocumented and not reproducible, and the other that anyone can do in their kitchen, which one should you believe? | Jul 16 23:06 |
| gde33 | I dont do believes if I dont have to, I save many cpu cycles that way :) | Jul 16 23:06 |
| cubexyz | I didn't believe cold fusion either | Jul 16 23:07 |
| gde33 | the amount of time people waste judging things for no reason | Jul 16 23:07 |
| cubexyz | it has to be reproducible | Jul 16 23:08 |
| gde33 | judge people, groups of people etc | Jul 16 23:08 |
| msb__ | Hutchison is also hooked up with Judy Wood, a COINTELPRO agent trying to smear 9-11 research. | Jul 16 23:08 |
| MinceR | maybe that's why some people judge people so quickly | Jul 16 23:08 |
| gde33 | if you need to know what something is you put in the work | Jul 16 23:08 |
| MinceR | to reduce the amount of wasted time | Jul 16 23:08 |
| gde33 | MinceR: haha, yes but it can be done so much faster by leaving things the way they are ;) | Jul 16 23:09 |
| msb__ | Various types of cold fusion are reproducible. See: http://lenr-canr.org/ | Jul 16 23:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lenr-canr.org | LENR-CANR.org — A library of papers about cold fusion | Jul 16 23:09 | |
| gde33 | there are enough scientists with admirable credentials who say it is worth further research | Jul 16 23:10 |
| msb__ | search the site for Iwamura He transmutes thin films of metals by flowing deuterium gas thru them. | Jul 16 23:11 |
| gde33 | I dont see how my opinion would be of significant value compared to theirs | Jul 16 23:11 |
| MinceR | then they should perform further research | Jul 16 23:14 |
| MinceR | whatever the outcome, we will know more than we did before | Jul 16 23:15 |
| gde33 | I do see lame naysayers | Jul 16 23:15 |
| cubexyz | duracell doesn't make the best batteries | Jul 16 23:16 |
| gde33 | they moan how they know nothing is there without showing anything for it | Jul 16 23:16 |
| cubexyz | but if you went by marketing alone.... :) | Jul 16 23:16 |
| gde33 | if you show them 1 youtube video with some wild effect going on they know it is not real | Jul 16 23:16 |
| gde33 | then find 200 scientists with admirable credentials and nobel prizes and do 25 years of successful replication | Jul 16 23:17 |
| gde33 | and then they will scream it is not real? | Jul 16 23:17 |
| gde33 | that is how objectivity works? | Jul 16 23:17 |
| gde33 | this is what we expect from john hutchison too? hahaha | Jul 16 23:17 |
| gde33 | sounds quite unreasonable | Jul 16 23:18 |
| cubexyz | Duracell might even be hobbling their batteries on purpose, making them less durable | Jul 16 23:18 |
| cubexyz | a simple money-making ploy | Jul 16 23:18 |
| gde33 | of course? | Jul 16 23:18 |
| gde33 | that is how business works | Jul 16 23:18 |
| gde33 | they have these big battery making machines now, those produce batteries the whole day long | Jul 16 23:19 |
| gde33 | from where the illusion they would want to replace those machines to make them more efficent? | Jul 16 23:19 |
| gde33 | to go bankrupt? | Jul 16 23:20 |
| cubexyz | no, it's not white/black like that | Jul 16 23:20 |
| gde33 | it is like expecting microsoft to do monthly kernel upgrades | Jul 16 23:20 |
| gde33 | lmao | Jul 16 23:20 |
| cubexyz | people paid a premium price to get batteries that lasted longer | Jul 16 23:20 |
| gde33 | because you know, it is the right thing to do | Jul 16 23:20 |
| cubexyz | if they don't last longer, what is the point in paying more? | Jul 16 23:21 |
| gde33 | cubexyz: last longer than what? | Jul 16 23:21 |
| gde33 | the other factory that is probably owned by the same people? | Jul 16 23:21 |
| gde33 | in most sectors the new and improved technology is sitting there waiting for the production line to get old | Jul 16 23:23 |
| msb__ | Hutchison doesn't prove his claims, and he never has impartial people come in and watch a demonstration of his "effect". | Jul 16 23:23 |
| cubexyz | I don't know, I guess I'd have to research that | Jul 16 23:23 |
| gde33 | msb__: sure, my point was that at the point where hundreds of scientists invest 25 years into thousands of succesful replications we still have something that can be easily disbelieved. | Jul 16 23:24 |
| MinceR | we already have plenty of such things | Jul 16 23:24 |
| MinceR | like evolution and quantum mechanics | Jul 16 23:24 |
| msb__ | evolution and quantum mechanics have both actually been demonstrated taking place | Jul 16 23:25 |
| gde33 | running a business involves a lot of things, it is nice to be on the cutting edge but it has a ton of drawbacks | Jul 16 23:25 |
| MinceR | and yet people disbelieve them | Jul 16 23:26 |
| gde33 | cubexyz: philips made a tv one time that could explode after 10 years | Jul 16 23:26 |
| MinceR | some people even use technology that relies on humans' understanding of quantum mechanics to spread the word about quantum mechanics being a lie | Jul 16 23:26 |
| MinceR | videoton's tv-s exploded a lot sooner | Jul 16 23:26 |
| gde33 | lol | Jul 16 23:26 |
| MinceR | they were called color star, iirc | Jul 16 23:26 |
| gde33 | I'm sure it all looked great at launch time | Jul 16 23:27 |
| msb__ | How high did it get when it was launched? | Jul 16 23:27 |
| gde33 | the space x rocket went up for a bit first :D | Jul 16 23:28 |
| gde33 | then poof and wtf? | Jul 16 23:28 |
| cubexyz | doesn't the transistor use quantum mechanics? | Jul 16 23:28 |
| gde33 | I think they are still at the wtf stage of bug fixing | Jul 16 23:28 |
| msb__ | Nobody's gonna want to ride on that thing. | Jul 16 23:28 |
| cubexyz | so that's pretty much all computers | Jul 16 23:28 |
| cubexyz | so doubting QM is silly | Jul 16 23:29 |
| msb__ | I think a detailed analysis of transistor action involves QM. | Jul 16 23:29 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: at least FETs certainly do | Jul 16 23:29 |
| MinceR | so do giant magnetoresistive HDD heads | Jul 16 23:29 |
| msb__ | The simple two-slit experiment is a good demo of QM. | Jul 16 23:30 |
| msb__ | A single particle or photon will go one way or the other, but a beam of them will make an interference pattern. | Jul 16 23:31 |
| gde33 | msb__: “If there’s more than one way to do a job, and one of those ways will result in disaster, then somebody will do it that way.” —Edward A. Murphy, Jr. | Jul 16 23:31 |
| gde33 | I for one am very exited about an industry dedicated to blowing up rich people | Jul 16 23:32 |
| msb__ | excited | Jul 16 23:32 |
| gde33 | right | Jul 16 23:32 |
| msb__ | drones and google maps might be a beginning, but you wouldn't want to blow up the servants | Jul 16 23:34 |
| gde33 | there is a good prank about the double slit experiment | Jul 16 23:34 |
| gde33 | someone replicated it with just a needle | Jul 16 23:34 |
| msb__ | With monochromatic light, especially laser, you'd see interference fringes. | Jul 16 23:36 |
| MinceR | once you have robots to serve you, you can blow up the servants | Jul 16 23:37 |
| gde33 | yes, that is how robots make everything cheaper | Jul 16 23:37 |
| gde33 | no more need to sustain the servant | Jul 16 23:38 |
| msb__ | Aren't junction -- NPN, PNP -- transistors more involved with QM than FETs? Something about conduction bands? | Jul 16 23:39 |
| MinceR | i don't know | Jul 16 23:40 |
| MinceR | i know that FETs rely on quantum tunnelling | Jul 16 23:40 |
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| gde33 | it will be facinating to see the transistor size drop to 3 nm and beyond | Jul 16 23:44 |
| gde33 | 15 nm is 5 times the length and 5 times the width or 25 times bigger | Jul 16 23:48 |
| gde33 | I see some video card where the ddr5 memory is stacked into a pile next to the processor | Jul 16 23:50 |
| gde33 | video is still on something like 20 nm I think? | Jul 16 23:50 |
| msb__ | looks like most FETs are just electrostatic, but there are a couple of kinds that use tunneling. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field-effect_transistor | Jul 16 23:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Field-effect transistor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/n53be ] | Jul 16 23:51 | |
| MinceR | flash ROM uses quantum tunnelling too | Jul 16 23:54 |
| MinceR | (and EEPROM in general) | Jul 16 23:55 |
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| schestowitz | [22:23] <gde33> logical would be for us to all agree a social network is a great idea. | Jul 17 01:28 |
| schestowitz | Depends which | Jul 17 01:28 |
| gde33 | schestowitz: the raw concept | Jul 17 01:29 |
| gde33 | schestowitz: it is a good enough idea to have a serious discussion about features | Jul 17 01:30 |
| gde33 | schestowitz: how to implement it | Jul 17 01:30 |
| schestowitz | [21:17] <DaemonFC> Microsoft is pushing Android apps more than it is Windows Phone. | Jul 17 01:31 |
| schestowitz | [21:17] <DaemonFC> I have several of them on my new Galaxy S6. | Jul 17 01:31 |
| schestowitz | [21:17] <DaemonFC> They preloaded Onedrive and OneNote. | Jul 17 01:31 |
| schestowitz | Because of patent extortion | Jul 17 01:31 |
| gde33 | schestowitz: how to prevent your mum becoming a means of exploitation | Jul 17 01:31 |
| schestowitz | MS sued Samsung | Jul 17 01:31 |
| schestowitz | and then settled in exchange for samsung being MS couriers on Android | Jul 17 01:31 |
| schestowitz | Extortion/blackmail is what this is | Jul 17 01:31 |
| schestowitz | the 'new' Microsoft | Jul 17 01:31 |
| gde33 | same as the old one | Jul 17 01:31 |
| schestowitz | gde33: I did try to install diaspora on the server of techrights | Jul 17 01:32 |
| schestowitz | didn't get it running completely, but was close | Jul 17 01:32 |
| schestowitz | it's a bit of a hog, it uses RoR | Jul 17 01:32 |
| schestowitz | [20:35] <msb__> but psychopaths, at least some of them, are genetic. | Jul 17 01:38 |
| schestowitz | [20:36] <msb__> And the positions of power in the govt, corporations, and media are full of them. | Jul 17 01:38 |
| schestowitz | I heard this before | Jul 17 01:38 |
| schestowitz | for some, ambitions is needed | Jul 17 01:38 |
| schestowitz | hard work | Jul 17 01:38 |
| schestowitz | and then there are connections, like family connections, and the will to stab people in the back to get promoted | Jul 17 01:38 |
| schestowitz | I've repeatedly declined offers of promotion, I want my daytime job to remain simple and fun | Jul 17 01:39 |
| schestowitz | [20:20] <MinceR> just because a computer is old doesn't mean it's free of backdoors | Jul 17 01:40 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: You'll never get to be a psychopath at this rate. | Jul 17 01:40 |
| schestowitz | The off-the-shelf ones might not work, i.e. more expensive and hard to crack, I think | Jul 17 01:40 |
| schestowitz | Windows XP makes one very easy to crack, the 0-days have been on the shelf for quite some time with no fixes delivered | Jul 17 01:41 |
| msb__ | The movie _fishead_ is about psychopaths in power. | Jul 17 01:41 |
| schestowitz | msb__: depends on how you define it | Jul 17 01:41 |
| schestowitz | my friend says, only a psychopath says he never lies | Jul 17 01:41 |
| cubexyz | well I figure Babbages Analytical Engine is backdoor free :) | Jul 17 01:41 |
| schestowitz | but anyway, my focus is my online activism | Jul 17 01:42 |
| schestowitz | the job is secondary, I need to pay the bills | Jul 17 01:42 |
| schestowitz | msb__: I watched some of that "conspiracy" stuff today because the wife was watching youtube by hopping between videos | Jul 17 01:42 |
| msb__ | Which conspiracy stuff? | Jul 17 01:43 |
| schestowitz | There's this one guy, report/open source something - maybe Corbet report? | Jul 17 01:43 |
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| msb__ | Yes, he's good. | Jul 17 01:43 |
| schestowitz | he's not bad | Jul 17 01:43 |
| schestowitz | even if I don't agree with him on some stuff | Jul 17 01:43 |
| msb__ | Do you mean videos linked on my homepage? | Jul 17 01:43 |
| schestowitz | no | Jul 17 01:44 |
| msb__ | There's plenty of conspiracy stuff that seems to be BS. Some I know is. | Jul 17 01:44 |
| schestowitz | examples | Jul 17 01:45 |
| schestowitz | 1. no planes present on 9/11 | Jul 17 01:45 |
| schestowitz | 2. people in MH flights dead before crash | Jul 17 01:45 |
| schestowitz | stuff that makes no sense at all | Jul 17 01:45 |
| schestowitz | and discredits attempts to meaningful scepticism of media | Jul 17 01:46 |
| msb__ | certain #1 | Jul 17 01:46 |
| schestowitz | I think some of it is intentionally introduced and planted | Jul 17 01:46 |
| schestowitz | to stigmatise critics | Jul 17 01:46 |
| msb__ | #2 how would anyone know | Jul 17 01:46 |
| msb__ | http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/disinfo.html -- covers most of the ones trying to discredit 911 researchers | Jul 17 01:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | The No-WTC-Planes/Video-Fakery/Energy-Beams Disinformation Gang [ http://ur1.ca/gnxmb ] | Jul 17 01:48 | |
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| MinceR | http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3785 | Jul 17 01:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal [ http://ur1.ca/n544o ] | Jul 17 01:49 | |
| msb__ | no planes, mini-A-bombs, holograms that project darkness, rayguns from space | Jul 17 01:49 |
| MinceR | ronald raygun? | Jul 17 01:50 |
| schestowitz | [20:20] <cubexyz> since people are junking old computers, why not save some? | Jul 17 01:50 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes they just break | Jul 17 01:50 |
| schestowitz | my old server died | Jul 17 01:50 |
| schestowitz | and fixing it would cost a lot more than it's worth | Jul 17 01:50 |
| MinceR | also, old computers may consume more electricity :> | Jul 17 01:50 |
| schestowitz | even if I ever figured out which component needs changing | Jul 17 01:50 |
| cubexyz | that's not always the case | Jul 17 01:50 |
| schestowitz | so it's just dysfunctional and unused since March | Jul 17 01:50 |
| cubexyz | P4's used more power than P3's | Jul 17 01:50 |
| MinceR | P4 may be an outlier, in the chase after meaningless high clock rates | Jul 17 01:51 |
| MinceR | Core was based on P3 in part for the lower energy consumption, afaik | Jul 17 01:51 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: computers in general don't take that much power compared to other appliances | Jul 17 01:51 |
| cubexyz | I will use monochrome LCD tech as soon as I can for terminals | Jul 17 01:51 |
| schestowitz | I always leave like 3 computers on 24/7 | Jul 17 01:51 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 17 01:51 |
| schestowitz | sometimes more | Jul 17 01:51 |
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| schestowitz | and the electric bills aren't that bad | Jul 17 01:51 |
| MinceR | well, there are definitely some appliances that use lots of power | Jul 17 01:51 |
| MinceR | to generate heat and the like | Jul 17 01:52 |
| schestowitz | phoronix michael now uses his bills as a begging plea to have people toss out adblock | Jul 17 01:52 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 17 01:52 |
| schestowitz | did you see it? | Jul 17 01:52 |
| MinceR | no | Jul 17 01:52 |
| schestowitz | !google phoronix electric bill adblock | Jul 17 01:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Experimenting With No "Hover Ads" On Phoronix - Phoronix | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php%3Fpage%3Dnews_item%26px%3DMTY3OTU | Jul 17 01:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Reviews at LinuxPlanet Blogs | http://www.linuxplanet.org/blogs/%3Fcat%3D1824 | Jul 17 01:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - 2011 April 20 | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/04/20/ | Jul 17 01:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - AMD Withdraws From High-Density Server Business - Slashdot | http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/15/04/17/029214/amd-withdraws-from-high-density-server-business | Jul 17 01:52 |
| MinceR | i only read moronix when linked on irc in a way that gets my attention | Jul 17 01:52 |
| MinceR | or when it comes up as a search result | Jul 17 01:52 |
| cubexyz | I wouldn't junk a historical important machine like a microvax | Jul 17 01:52 |
| MinceR | neither would i | Jul 17 01:53 |
| MinceR | i still have my sinclair zx spectrum in a cupboard | Jul 17 01:53 |
| cubexyz | but some Pentium Pro, it's not as important | Jul 17 01:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-Power-Use-July-15 | Jul 17 01:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | The Insane Power Use Of Benchmarking Linux Every Day - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/n545k ] | Jul 17 01:53 | |
| cubexyz | Unix was born on a PDP-11/20 | Jul 17 01:54 |
| cubexyz | so I'd keep one of those (not likely to happen) | Jul 17 01:54 |
| schestowitz | "While I hate having to always mention it, the numbers lay it out rather bluntly... While trying to put out more Linux benchmarks, better cater to the Phoronix-reading Linux enthusiasts with better and more relevant advertisements, write more researches pieces, etc, the energy costs have more than doubled over the past year!" | Jul 17 01:54 |
| cubexyz | even though it's not energy efficient, it's historically a very important computer | Jul 17 01:54 |
| cubexyz | some old PDP-11's only get turned on once or twice a month | Jul 17 01:55 |
| cubexyz | but I don't think the microvax was a big power user | Jul 17 01:56 |
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| schestowitz | wb oiaohm | Jul 17 02:00 |
| msb__ | " <MinceR> ronald raygun?" Yeah, he shot Afghanistan just to watch it die. | Jul 17 02:01 |
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| msb__ | MinceR: I don't know if the Taliban he put into power there are clit-cutters, but women certainly have very few right there. | Jul 17 02:03 |
| msb__ | rights | Jul 17 02:03 |
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| MinceR | yeah, islam takes that to the extreme | Jul 17 02:03 |
| msb__ | Of course hundreds of years ago "Christians" tortured to death millions of Goddess adherents. Usually by burning. When the victim was near death the "christians" would pull them up out of the fire, so they'd last longer. | Jul 17 02:05 |
| MinceR | did that goddess have a name? | Jul 17 02:07 |
| msb__ | Then we have Israeli Jews bombing schoolchildren in Gaza with nerve-gas and white phosphorus (burns down to the bone). | Jul 17 02:07 |
| schestowitz | while the world watched Ukraine | Jul 17 02:08 |
| msb__ | Probably, but I don't remember it. | Jul 17 02:08 |
| schestowitz | godless? | Jul 17 02:08 |
| schestowitz | or goddess? | Jul 17 02:08 |
| schestowitz | torture too was typical at the time | Jul 17 02:08 |
| schestowitz | the Spainiards exercised waterboarding | Jul 17 02:08 |
| schestowitz | they just didn't call it that | Jul 17 02:09 |
| schestowitz | they 'converted' a lot of people | Jul 17 02:09 |
| schestowitz | added "Catholic" market share, made the occupied worship the occupier in Europe | Jul 17 02:09 |
| msb__ | Wiccans today celebrate practically every Goddess. Maybe not Kali. | Jul 17 02:10 |
| MinceR | even Wee Jas? | Jul 17 02:11 |
| schestowitz | witches? | Jul 17 02:11 |
| msb__ | sounds like the derivation. | Jul 17 02:13 |
| MinceR | what about Shar? | Jul 17 02:13 |
| msb__ | Wee Jas is fictional in Dungeons and Dragons | Jul 17 02:14 |
| MinceR | which deity isn't fictional? | Jul 17 02:14 |
| msb__ | wiki says both are | Jul 17 02:15 |
| MinceR | as far as i know, all of them are | Jul 17 02:15 |
| cubexyz | Saint IGNUcius of course :) | Jul 17 02:16 |
| schestowitz | RMS if fictional | Jul 17 02:17 |
| schestowitz | so is Chuck Norris | Jul 17 02:17 |
| msb__ | You're gettin' strange, Roy. | Jul 17 02:18 |
| msb__ | That which does not kill me makes me stranger. | Jul 17 02:19 |
| msb__ | And if I look into The Abyss I see a really great movie. | Jul 17 02:20 |
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| msb__ | Read _The Chalice and the Blade_ by Riane Eisler. Talks about Goddess culture, which preceded JCI. Archeological research described there proves that we aren't the inherent bastards we think we are (because the psychopath rulers tell us we are). | Jul 17 02:24 |
| msb__ | That book changed my life. | Jul 17 02:24 |
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| MinceR | "I believe that whatever doesn't kill me only makes me... stranger." | Jul 17 02:29 |
| MinceR | "Whatever doesn't kill you makes you wish it had." | Jul 17 02:29 |
| MinceR | if you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares back at you -- well, too bad for the abyss. | Jul 17 02:30 |
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| msb__ | There is nothing new under the sun, | Jul 17 02:36 |
| msb__ | but there are lots of old things | Jul 17 02:36 |
| msb__ | we don't know yet. | Jul 17 02:36 |
| msb__ | -- Ambrose Bierce | Jul 17 02:36 |
| cubexyz | awesome, modded quasijarus termcap | Jul 17 02:37 |
| cubexyz | the same mod that worked on Unix v8 also works on quasijarus | Jul 17 02:38 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: what is the word derivation of "quasijarus" | Jul 17 02:39 |
| msb__ | ? | Jul 17 02:39 |
| msb__ | And don't tell me it | Jul 17 02:39 |
| msb__ | And don't tell me it's not the actual jarus. | Jul 17 02:39 |
| cubexyz | as far as I know it's just a made up name | Jul 17 02:44 |
| cubexyz | quasijarus is a fork of 4.3BSD-Tahoe | Jul 17 02:48 |
| cubexyz | the last Unix distro by the Computer Systems Research Group | Jul 17 02:49 |
| cubexyz | Michael Sokolov thought of it as a continuation of "True Unix" | Jul 17 02:50 |
| cubexyz | I'm interested in quasijarus for a different reason | Jul 17 02:50 |
| msb__ | With it you can Rule the World? | Jul 17 02:51 |
| cubexyz | I have a research interest in the history of the X Window System | Jul 17 02:51 |
| oiaohm | I allways like that the X11 symbol means not X | Jul 17 02:57 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I guess you know why that is. | Jul 17 02:58 |
| oiaohm | MinceR lot of stuff that the talbain did is not Islam. But the cultures before Islam staying alive. | Jul 17 03:01 |
| cubexyz | because there's a diagonal line in the X? | Jul 17 03:02 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: its Not Xerox | Jul 17 03:03 |
| oiaohm | yes a very historic X11 joke. | Jul 17 03:04 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: http://www.famouslogos.us/xerox-logo/ Look at the 1961 Xerox logo X. Yes Red and cut are both not. | Jul 17 03:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.famouslogos.us | Xerox Logo - Design and History of Xerox Logo | Jul 17 03:07 | |
| cubexyz | I'd really like to have a full microvax emulator | Jul 17 03:17 |
| cubexyz | unfortunately I don't think there is one for Linux | Jul 17 03:18 |
| cubexyz | I'm a bit leary of getting an actual microvax and then having unfixable hardware problems | Jul 17 03:18 |
| cubexyz | 50 pin scsi drives, that's not too hard to find | Jul 17 03:21 |
| cubexyz | LK201 keyboards are a bit harder | Jul 17 03:22 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I have to check my scrap pile. I think I might have a LK201 keyboard. | Jul 17 03:23 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: Ok nothing else to go along with it. | Jul 17 03:23 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: I have 6 Lk201 keyboard | Jul 17 03:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Ubuntu http://t.co/DxBdVAitlm | Jul 17 03:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 03:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Ubuntu | Tux Machines | Jul 17 03:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n54vh | Jul 17 03:36 |
| oiaohm | My RC4 just keeps on getting weaker. http://www.rc4nomore.com/vanhoef-usenix2015.pdf | Jul 17 03:46 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Give Your RaspberryPi Night Vision With the | Jul 17 08:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | PiNoir Camera http://t.co/fysIpazs0T | Jul 17 08:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.linux.com) | Jul 17 08:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com | Give Your Raspberry Pi Night Vision With the PiNoir Camera | Linux.com | Jul 17 08:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n56y8 | Jul 17 08:32 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.techrepublic.com/article/alternative-is-the-question-linux-is-the-answer/ | Jul 17 08:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techrepublic.com | Alternative is the question, Linux is the answer - TechRepublic [ http://ur1.ca/n5748 ] | Jul 17 08:59 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 17 08:59 |
| schestowitz | > M$, popularity? | Jul 17 08:59 |
| schestowitz | Must have meant ubiquity, like cigarettes. | Jul 17 08:59 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/deusexstigma/status/621952023873785856 | Jul 17 09:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@deusexstigma: @schestowitz Feds propaganda101..discredit enemy with fake paedo slander | Jul 17 09:09 | |
| schestowitz | a done against @FreeMattDehart @Leann02 @PaulJDeHart - tarnish reputation first, then you tilt the balance of justice | Jul 17 09:10 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/621954665035370496 https://twitter.com/T_Miller_Harper/status/621955103352877056 | Jul 17 09:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: I created my #Debian #Jessie #Reiser4 custom @googlecloud template img w/o #systemd guided by http://t.co/t5mIhfGXFD https://t.co/Zrtv5JB7LD | Jul 17 09:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> without-systemd.org | Without Systemd | Jul 17 09:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #debian without #systemd http://t.co/YfBzljROHW They've redone the page completely | Jul 17 09:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@T_Miller_Harper: @schestowitz I agree with you...The BBC Hard talk show early this morning explained how the corruption works in the backroom. | Jul 17 09:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nowadays makers of games target android (Linux) | Jul 17 09:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/HSjopBzk9b (www.androidpolice.com) | Jul 17 09:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpolice.com | Rovio Announces (Wait For It) Angry Birds 2, Coming To Android On July 30th | Jul 17 09:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/BDM0Q6GwcX (heavy.com) | Jul 17 09:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-heavy.com | When is Fallout Shelter Coming to Android Devices? | Heavy.com | Jul 17 09:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n578w | Jul 17 09:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android was 'probably the best decision Google | Jul 17 09:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ever made' says its former leader | Jul 17 09:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/2phBroKrmR (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 09:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n578x | Jul 17 09:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android was 'probably the best decision Google ever made' says its former leader | Tux Machines | Jul 17 09:16 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Jolla hooks up with Indian phonemaker, launches | Jul 17 09:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sailfish 2.0 http://t.co/FP1LpClX83 | Jul 17 09:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.engadget.com) | Jul 17 09:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com | Jolla hooks up with Indian phonemaker, launches Sailfish 2.0 | Jul 17 09:16 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n578y | Jul 17 09:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Alternative is the question, Linux is the | Jul 17 09:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | answer http://t.co/JfeBdw0icv | Jul 17 09:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.techrepublic.com) | Jul 17 09:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n579z | Jul 17 09:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Hands on review: Sony Android TV | Jul 17 09:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/rpNmUhoWjb (www.smh.com.au) | Jul 17 09:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smh.com.au | Hands on review: Sony Android TV | Jul 17 09:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n57a0 | Jul 17 09:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME 3.17.4 unstable tarballs due | Jul 17 09:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/A5p3QzvWZi (permalink.gmane.org) | Jul 17 09:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n57a1 | Jul 17 09:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-permalink.gmane.org | GNOME 3.17.4 unstable tarballs due | Jul 17 09:20 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Mint 17.2 “Rafaela” KDE RC released! | Jul 17 09:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/lGO4Ts2bIM (blog.linuxmint.com) | Jul 17 09:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n57bh | Jul 17 09:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.linuxmint.com | The Linux Mint Blog » Blog Archive » Linux Mint 17.2 “Rafaela” KDE RC released! | Jul 17 09:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GCC 5.2 Officially Released | Jul 17 09:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/UWqqJrGnU0 (www.phoronix.com) | Jul 17 09:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n57bj | Jul 17 09:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | GCC 5.2 Officially Released - Phoronix | Jul 17 09:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME's Tracker Search Engine Reaches Version | Jul 17 09:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 1.5.0 with Multiple Fixes | Jul 17 09:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/oPJek7fwDl (linux.softpedia.com) | Jul 17 09:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | GNOME's Tracker Search Engine Reaches Version 1.5.0 with Multiple Fixes - Softpedia | Jul 17 09:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n57bl | Jul 17 09:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines OpenELEC 6.0 Beta 3 Is Based on Linux Kernel | Jul 17 09:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 4.1 and Kodi 15.0 "Isengard" RC2 | Jul 17 09:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/JSDi0zjPM7 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 09:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n57bm | Jul 17 09:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OpenELEC 6.0 Beta 3 Is Based on Linux Kernel 4.1 and Kodi 15.0 "Isengard" RC2 | Tux Machines | Jul 17 09:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Alternative is the question, Linux is the | Jul 17 09:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | answer http://t.co/3FWJB1xNrM | Jul 17 09:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 09:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Alternative is the question, Linux is the answer | Tux Machines | Jul 17 09:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n57bn | Jul 17 09:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines MeX Linux Distro Is Now Based on Linux Mint | Jul 17 09:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 17.2, Ubuntu 15.04, and Debian 8 | Jul 17 09:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/wKztSHOb3t (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 09:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n57bo | Jul 17 09:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | MeX Linux Distro Is Now Based on Linux Mint 17.2, Ubuntu 15.04, and Debian 8 | Tux Machines | Jul 17 09:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Here Are the New Beautified Monochromatic Icons | Jul 17 09:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of Ubuntu Linux http://t.co/ZqU89h1GZp | Jul 17 09:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 09:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Here Are the New Beautified Monochromatic Icons of Ubuntu Linux | Tux Machines | Jul 17 09:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n57bq | Jul 17 09:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Samsung Z3 is the developer giveaway at the | Jul 17 09:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tizen Developer Summit 2015 | Jul 17 09:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/WvU5kSh7pq (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 09:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n57d4 | Jul 17 09:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Samsung Z3 is the developer giveaway at the Tizen Developer Summit 2015 | Tux Machines | Jul 17 09:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Shashlik: A New Way To Run Android Apps On | Jul 17 09:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux http://t.co/y49h33pv1k (www.phoronix.com) | Jul 17 09:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n57d5 | Jul 17 09:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Shashlik: A New Way To Run Android Apps On Linux - Phoronix | Jul 17 09:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines These are the 10 most powerful Android phones | Jul 17 09:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | in the world http://t.co/doWSR6AVW4 (bgr.com) | Jul 17 09:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com | Top 10 Android Phones, Based on Performance | BGR | Jul 17 09:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n57d7 | Jul 17 09:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nvidia GRID adds high-end Linux power to any | Jul 17 09:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | device http://t.co/lq7hozG968 | Jul 17 09:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.pcr-online.biz) | Jul 17 09:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcr-online.biz | Nvidia GRID adds high-end Linux power to any device | The latest news from the Computer and IT Industry | PC Retail | Jul 17 09:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE Devs Working to Bring Android Apps on Linux | Jul 17 09:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/QBh60mxALz (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 17 09:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | KDE Devs Working to Bring Android Apps on Linux - Softpedia | Jul 17 09:37 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Evolution Open-Source Groupware Client Receives | Jul 17 09:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Massive Update for GNOME 3.16 | Jul 17 09:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Kw7jkcvOys (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 17 09:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Evolution Open-Source Groupware Client Receives Massive Update for GNOME 3.16 - Softpedia | Jul 17 09:37 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @WiproOS favourited 'Evolution Open-Source Groupware Client Receives Massive Update for...' | Jul 17 09:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Docker 1.7.1 Open-Source Linux Container Engine | Jul 17 09:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Has Better Support for CentOS 6.6 | Jul 17 09:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/RpFPSO23C6 (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 17 09:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Docker 1.7.1 Open-Source Linux Container Engine Has Better Support for CentOS 6.6 - Softpedia | Jul 17 09:38 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Number of Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition | Jul 17 09:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Invitations Has Tripled http://t.co/huPStypy9A | Jul 17 09:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | The Number of Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition Invitations Has Tripled - Softpedia | Jul 17 09:39 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi favourited 'These are the 10 most powerful Android phones...' | Jul 17 09:39 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi retweeted @tuxmachines: 'These are the 10 most powerful Android phones...' | Jul 17 09:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Beautiful Chapeau 22.1 Linux Distro Out Now to | Jul 17 09:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Fix Issues with the Korora 22 Repos | Jul 17 09:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/hqnfLbQ1jo (linux.softpedia.com) | Jul 17 09:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Beautiful Chapeau 22.1 Linux Distro Out Now to Fix Issues with the Korora 22 Repos - Softpedia | Jul 17 09:40 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Gets the Latest | Jul 17 09:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | LibreOffice 5.0 RC3 http://t.co/AIFBAyRvyL | Jul 17 09:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Gets the Latest LibreOffice 5.0 RC3 - Softpedia | Jul 17 09:43 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leaked images of Samsung Z3 with Tizen 3.0? We | Jul 17 09:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | don’t think so http://t.co/P5kZKAH1rH | Jul 17 09:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tizenexperts.com) | Jul 17 09:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | [Pictures] Leaked images of Samsung Z3 with Tizen 3.0? We don't think so - Tizen Experts | Jul 17 09:43 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Samsung’s Brings New Tizen based JS7000 4K SUHD | Jul 17 09:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Smart TV to the Masses http://t.co/eM3OdZNkhS | Jul 17 09:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tizenexperts.com) | Jul 17 09:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Samsung’s Brings New Tizen based JS7000 4K SUHD Smart TV to the Masses - Tizen Experts | Jul 17 09:43 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines OpenELEC 6.0 Beta 3 Is Based on Linux Kernel | Jul 17 09:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 4.1 and Kodi 15.0 "Isengard" RC2 | Jul 17 09:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Y6f2tRFklg (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 17 09:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | OpenELEC 6.0 Beta 3 Is Based on Linux Kernel 4.1 and Kodi 15.0 "Isengard" RC2 - Softpedia | Jul 17 09:43 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi favourited 'Shashlik: A New Way To Run Android Apps...' | Jul 17 09:43 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Shashlik: A New Way To Run Android Apps...' | Jul 17 09:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines MeX Linux Distro Is Now Based on Linux Mint | Jul 17 09:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 17.2, Ubuntu 15.04, and Debian 8 | Jul 17 09:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/aPprvOGNMT (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 17 09:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | MeX Linux Distro Is Now Based on Linux Mint 17.2, Ubuntu 15.04, and Debian 8 - Softpedia | Jul 17 09:45 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Here Are the New Beautified Monochromatic Icons | Jul 17 09:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of Ubuntu Linux http://t.co/25BkbFJ9vS | Jul 17 09:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Here Are the New Beautified Monochromatic Icons of Ubuntu Linux - Softpedia | Jul 17 09:45 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi favourited 'GNOME's Tracker Search Engine Reaches Version 1.5.0 with...' | Jul 17 09:45 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi retweeted @tuxmachines: 'GNOME's Tracker Search Engine Reaches Version 1.5.0 with...' | Jul 17 09:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android was 'probably the best decision Google | Jul 17 09:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by ever made' says its former leader | Jul 17 09:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @RamiSilawi http://t.co/JiqBhzB3IQ (uk.businessinsider.com) | Jul 17 09:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-uk.businessinsider.com | Hugo Barra on Android - Business Insider | Jul 17 09:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | "Barra told Chang" | Jul 17 09:51 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/621957423520174080 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/621957679976718336 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/621957911275773952 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/621958146236510209 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/621958373349687296 | Jul 17 09:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Android was 'probably the best decision Google ever made' says its former leader http://t.co/6HKCJccPd6 "Barra told Chang" | Jul 17 09:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Xubuntu Linux is Being Used to Teach Students at Colegio Hispano Americano in #PuertoRico http://t.co/eU1BtY2ppV #gnu #linux | Jul 17 09:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Xubuntu Linux Is Being Used to Teach Students at Colegio Hispano Americano in Puerto Rico - Softpedia | Jul 17 09:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Linux Mint 17.2 "Rafaela" Xfce Edition RC is Based on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and Xfce 4.12 http://t.co/xAmnjyaQJG #linuxmint #gnu #linux | Jul 17 09:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Linux Mint 17.2 "Rafaela" Xfce Edition RC Is Based on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and Xfce 4.12 - Softpedia | Jul 17 09:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Linux Mint 17.2 “Rafaela” KDE RC released! http://t.co/bsR63Ph3CD #kde #linuxmint #gnu #linux | Jul 17 09:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blog.linuxmint.com | The Linux Mint Blog » Blog Archive » Linux Mint 17.2 “Rafaela” KDE RC released! | Jul 17 09:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: GCC 5.2 Officially Released http://t.co/iLK0qrCjWJ #gcc #gnu #programming #c #cplusplus | Jul 17 09:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.phoronix.com | GCC 5.2 Officially Released - Phoronix | Jul 17 09:53 | |
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| r_schestowitz | tessier: http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/linus-torvalds-takes-fighter-jet-flights-to-relax-in-between-linux-kernel-pulls-487145.shtml | Jul 17 10:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Linus Torvalds Takes Fighter Jet Flights to Relax in Between Linux Kernel Pulls - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/n57ud ] | Jul 17 10:50 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6353440 | Jul 17 10:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: The world’s first ‘true Android PC’ costs just $20 http://bgr.com/2015/07/15/remix-mini-android-pc-kickstarter/ #android #linux | Jul 17 10:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> bgr.com | Remix Mini Android PC Kickstarter | BGR [ http://ur1.ca/n57uz ] | Jul 17 10:53 | |
| r_schestowitz | "why not. will they depend on Google for their android remix? Why do they not use cyanogen mod as a base?" | Jul 17 10:53 |
| r_schestowitz | "Replicant or Paranoid Android ?" | Jul 17 10:53 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6354377 | Jul 17 10:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Alternative is the question, Linux is the answer http://www.techrepublic.com/article/alternative-is-the-question-linux-is-the-answer/ #gnu #linux | Jul 17 10:55 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techrepublic.com | Alternative is the question, Linux is the answer - TechRepublic [ http://ur1.ca/n5748 ] | Jul 17 10:55 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jul 17 10:55 |
| r_schestowitz | How could linux be an alternative to windows ? | Jul 17 10:55 |
| r_schestowitz | It’s so very different. Same with Diaspora and Facebok. Diaspora isn’t an alternative. | Jul 17 10:55 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jul 17 10:55 |
| r_schestowitz | Wallen also calls Microsoft "popular" | Jul 17 10:55 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6354615 | Jul 17 10:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Mozilla Winter of Security is back! https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2015/07/15/mozilla-winter-of-security-is-back/ looks like some kind of #iceweasel logo | Jul 17 10:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blog.mozilla.org | Mozilla Winter of Security is back! | Mozilla Security Blog [ http://ur1.ca/n57vf ] | Jul 17 10:56 | |
| r_schestowitz | "|nice idea, exchanged the logo and it looks neat." | Jul 17 10:56 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6354338 | Jul 17 10:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #uk public brainwashed by corporate media and tricked into believing that government should treat us all like kids... because terrorism! | Jul 17 10:56 | |
| r_schestowitz | "NLP ! COMMON PURPOSE ,TAVISTOCK INSTITUTE,MASONIC BOOM etc, most so dumbed down with fluoride and vaccine neuro toxins their brains are not working so well and if they are ,people can be individually targeted with microwaves etc" | Jul 17 10:56 |
| r_schestowitz | LOL | Jul 17 10:56 |
| r_schestowitz | crazy shit | Jul 17 10:56 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/621980370871951360 | Jul 17 10:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz hehe :D | Jul 17 10:57 | |
| r_schestowitz | There IS such a thing as too much money... | Jul 17 10:57 |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: too much money printed equal hyper inflation. | Jul 17 10:58 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6354285 | Jul 17 10:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #debian without #systemd http://www.devuan.org/ They've redone the page completely | Jul 17 10:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.devuan.org | Devuan GNU/Linux - Debian without systemd. | Jul 17 10:58 | |
| r_schestowitz | "From what I can see, systemd still gets installed as a dependency, but not as the init program (according to the man page, if run other than as init, it will pass signals through to the actual init)." | Jul 17 10:58 |
| r_schestowitz | oiaohm: but that's different | Jul 17 10:58 |
| r_schestowitz | oiaohm: what I meant was (see context), torvalds not sure what to do with the money | Jul 17 10:58 |
| r_schestowitz | he just needs a PC with monitor | Jul 17 10:58 |
| r_schestowitz | but earns a lot for it | Jul 17 10:58 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/621982211861020672 | Jul 17 10:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz yes there is… | Jul 17 10:59 | |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: that is the thing about systemd it was designed to be able to operate even if it don't have PID1 | Jul 17 11:00 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tokvbok retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Gets the Latest LibreOffice...' | Jul 17 11:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 17/7/2015: Linux Mint 17.2 RC, Google | Jul 17 11:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Joins OpenStack http://t.co/8PudhEXFcE | Jul 17 11:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (techrights.org) | Jul 17 11:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n57xf | Jul 17 11:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/5XH7WUvGHd | Jul 17 11:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 11:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz | Jul 17 11:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 17/7/2015: Linux Mint 17.2 RC, Google Joins OpenStack | Techrights | Jul 17 11:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jul 17 11:02 | |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: the big issue about systemd that started a lot of complains was lack of cross platform. | Jul 17 11:02 |
| tessier | Cool | Jul 17 11:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: OSS http://t.co/xSWzidxF92 | Jul 17 12:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 12:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: OSS | Tux Machines | Jul 17 12:05 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/6VN49QSavs | Jul 17 12:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 12:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Jul 17 12:06 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/C1LF92KgW7 | Jul 17 12:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 12:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 17 12:06 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Major Update Confirmed for July 20 | Jul 17 13:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch Major Update Confirmed for July 20 | Tux Machines | Jul 17 13:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/YlCN0uYJ5i | Jul 17 13:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jul 17 13:05 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jul 17 13:05 | |
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| MinceR | http://blog.lenovo.com/en/blog/retro-thinkpad-survey-2-displays-keyboard/ | Jul 17 17:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.lenovo.com | Retro ThinkPad Survey 2: Displays, Keyboard, and More | Lenovo [ http://ur1.ca/n5b7v ] | Jul 17 17:29 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6353440 | Jul 17 17:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: The world’s first ‘true Android PC’ costs just $20 http://bgr.com/2015/07/15/remix-mini-android-pc-kickstarter/ #android #linux | Jul 17 17:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> bgr.com | Remix Mini Android PC Kickstarter | BGR [ http://ur1.ca/n57uz ] | Jul 17 17:38 | |
| r_schestowitz | "GNU/Linux or FreeBSD? These are real operating systems." | Jul 17 17:38 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jul 17 17:38 |
| r_schestowitz | Android is based on GNU / Linux | Jul 17 17:38 |
| r_schestowitz | huhu | Jul 17 17:38 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jul 17 17:38 |
| MinceR | not nearly as much GNU as Linux | Jul 17 17:41 |
| r_schestowitz | Android is based on GNU / Linux | Jul 17 17:48 |
| r_schestowitz | huhu | Jul 17 17:48 |
| r_schestowitz | Jul 17 17:48 | |
| r_schestowitz | Android is based on GNU / Linux | Jul 17 17:48 |
| r_schestowitz | huhu | Jul 17 17:48 |
| r_schestowitz | Jul 17 17:48 | |
| r_schestowitz | Android is based on GNU / Linux | Jul 17 17:48 |
| r_schestowitz | huhu | Jul 17 17:48 |
| r_schestowitz | crap | Jul 17 17:48 |
| r_schestowitz | sorry | Jul 17 17:48 |
| r_schestowitz | paste malfunction | Jul 17 17:48 |
| r_schestowitz | Unity has no klipper-like thing | Jul 17 17:48 |
| r_schestowitz | as far as I know | Jul 17 17:49 |
| r_schestowitz | which makes it hard to use | Jul 17 17:49 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 17 17:49 |
| MinceR | if you have a systray-compatible tray, you could run klipper or clipit or parcellite or similar | Jul 17 17:50 |
| cubexyz | I'm using wall (modified) to pass messages between computers | Jul 17 17:52 |
| MinceR | i had the idea to develop a web and/or text ui-based networked "clipboard" application, but have yet to get around to actually doing it | Jul 17 17:55 |
| cubexyz | ssh or telnet + wall == method that works for every *nix since v7 | Jul 17 17:58 |
| cubexyz | er, not v7 actually | Jul 17 17:59 |
| cubexyz | every *nix that has tcp/ip I should say | Jul 17 17:59 |
| cubexyz | so I can telnet into quasijarus and wall from there if necessary | Jul 17 18:00 |
| cubexyz | 4.3 BSD Quasijarus UNIX #3: Sat Feb 14 20:31:03 PST 2004 | Jul 17 18:02 |
| MinceR | vim in screen -x would work too | Jul 17 18:06 |
| MinceR | though an approach where i could limit what the interface can do from less trusted computers would be nice | Jul 17 18:07 |
| MinceR | http://imgur.com/gallery/K16xk93 | Jul 17 18:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-imgur.com | Truth - Imgur | Jul 17 18:08 | |
| cubexyz | stupid quasijarus uses 19xx for the year | Jul 17 18:17 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 17 18:18 |
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| cubexyz | ah, I'm incorrect | Jul 17 19:10 |
| cubexyz | 4.3 BSD Quasijarus UNIX | Jul 17 19:12 |
| cubexyz | Fri Jul 17 17:11:37 EST 2015 | Jul 17 19:12 |
| cubexyz | had to set it manually | Jul 17 19:12 |
| cubexyz | evidently there's no netcat and no ntp | Jul 17 19:13 |
| cubexyz | not sure why it was showing 2004 before | Jul 17 19:14 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines FreeBSD Developers Arguing Over Their New Code | Jul 17 20:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of Conduct http://t.co/QgcH73qbXk | Jul 17 20:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FreeBSD Developers Arguing Over Their New Code of Conduct | Tux Machines | Jul 17 20:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Intel Celeron N3050 Braswell Linux Performance | Jul 17 20:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/PYDxpUmHeu (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 20:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Intel Celeron N3050 Braswell Linux Performance | Tux Machines | Jul 17 20:09 | |
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| cubexyz | clearly the nature successor to quasijarus was the BSDs: OpenBSD, NetBSD, FreeBSD | Jul 17 20:38 |
| cubexyz | s/nature/natural/ | Jul 17 20:39 |
| cubexyz | the lineage is quite clear | Jul 17 20:39 |
| cubexyz | utilities that seem new to me in quasijarus are in OpenBSD but not Linux | Jul 17 20:39 |
| cubexyz | so a lot of the Bell Labs v6/v7 folks became BSD people | Jul 17 20:40 |
| cubexyz | not saying OpenBSD is better than Linux as a desktop though | Jul 17 20:41 |
| cubexyz | but it is a lot different | Jul 17 20:41 |
| cubexyz | Linux had something extra, more commercial development, e.g. Loki and LGP and Steam | Jul 17 20:43 |
| cubexyz | the hippies kind of beat the suits so to speak, at least from my point of view | Jul 17 20:45 |
| cubexyz | hippies == Linux/BSD | Jul 17 20:46 |
| cubexyz | suits = AIX, Solaris, etc | Jul 17 20:46 |
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| cubexyz | it was possible to run a 4.3BSD on a microvax, but the thing was they were really expensive, like over 25K$ | Jul 17 20:57 |
| cubexyz | around 1987... same for Sun machines at the time, very expensive | Jul 17 20:57 |
| cubexyz | so instead I had my crappy 286 running Xenix which kind of sucked | Jul 17 20:59 |
| cubexyz | just to give people an idea about just how crap that era was... you had to pay SCO $1K for the compiler | Jul 17 21:00 |
| cubexyz | so sure, you had a AT&T SysV at a relatively affordable price but... | Jul 17 21:01 |
| cubexyz | no TCP/IP just uucp | Jul 17 21:01 |
| cubexyz | no X Window System | Jul 17 21:01 |
| cubexyz | no source code to speak of | Jul 17 21:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tizen Dev Tools Version 15.01 Released | Jul 17 21:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tizen Dev Tools Version 15.01 Released | Tux Machines | Jul 17 21:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LibreOffice GTK3 On Wayland Starts To Work | Jul 17 21:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice GTK3 On Wayland Starts To Work | Tux Machines | Jul 17 21:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat Makes Progress On Firefox Native For | Jul 17 21:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Wayland http://t.co/F6UD9FdiTY | Jul 17 21:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat Makes Progress On Firefox Native For Wayland | Tux Machines | Jul 17 21:02 | |
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| cubexyz | Tanenbaum got a huge grant back in 2008 to produce a reliable operating system ($3.2 million) | Jul 17 21:23 |
| cubexyz | the kernel is bigger than I thought, 3.3 is 12,700 lines of code | Jul 17 21:23 |
| cubexyz | so qemu minix 3.3 is on the cards | Jul 17 21:24 |
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| cubexyz | ok, liking minix 3.3 so far | Jul 17 22:23 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition Review | Jul 17 23:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition Review | Tux Machines | Jul 17 23:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Daily Builds for Ubuntu 15.10 Return After One | Jul 17 23:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Month of Absence http://t.co/k71v5YCXNG | Jul 17 23:37 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Acer Chromebook 15 for Linux and Wimbledon | Jul 17 23:37 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: mozilla has firefox working on wayland and redhat has libreoffice allmost. | Jul 18 00:11 |
| oiaohm | So we are up to the point were applications are now being conveted with wayland. | Jul 18 00:18 |
| MinceR | pity firefox is going to hell | Jul 18 00:20 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: really firefox has been a problem child. Its like Openssl lack of resources. | Jul 18 00:52 |
| MinceR | it's worse | Jul 18 00:52 |
| MinceR | they're adding all sorts of evil crap and removing useful UI settings | Jul 18 00:53 |
| oiaohm | If you mean XUL and XBL in useful setting that is a resources problem and something has to give. | Jul 18 00:54 |
| MinceR | i mean the cisco blob, Extremely Malicious Extensions and the Pocket blob | Jul 18 00:55 |
| MinceR | oh, in useful settings i mean stuff like enable/disable javascript and specifying what javascript is allowed to do with the windows | Jul 18 00:55 |
| oiaohm | Cisco blob has full source code. Shipping from Cisco gives the patent license. | Jul 18 00:56 |
| oiaohm | Pocket Blob I can see direct problem with. | Jul 18 00:56 |
| oiaohm | https://wiki.mozilla.org/Media/EME MinceR EME blob vs having a Flash plugin | Jul 18 00:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.mozilla.org | Media/EME - MozillaWiki | Jul 18 00:57 | |
| MinceR | yeah, i don't care for cisco's patent bullshit | Jul 18 00:57 |
| MinceR | or whatever they put in the blob that's not in the published sources | Jul 18 00:57 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its not cisco patent bullshit. | Jul 18 00:57 |
| MinceR | i don't care for the Trash excuse either | Jul 18 00:57 |
| oiaohm | Its Microsoft and the group of trolls who would have firefox binarys removed from servers if they shipped with the opensource bit. | Jul 18 00:58 |
| MinceR | and i don't like how mozilla is giving up everything it used to stand for for the sake of market share | Jul 18 00:58 |
| oiaohm | Cisco blob is a side effect of Microsoft evil. | Jul 18 00:58 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft and apples evil. | Jul 18 00:58 |
| MinceR | well yeah, one principal problem is TBL and the w3c selling out to micro$oft and the rest of the fascists | Jul 18 00:58 |
| MinceR | and mozilla is not standing against them either | Jul 18 00:58 |
| oiaohm | Mozilla has stood up against them quite a lot. | Jul 18 00:59 |
| MinceR | html5 has been poisoned and it's time to fork the web and take it away from these criminals | Jul 18 00:59 |
| MinceR | yeah, a while ago | Jul 18 00:59 |
| MinceR | then they gave up | Jul 18 00:59 |
| oiaohm | Still are. | Jul 18 00:59 |
| oiaohm | But there come a point where you are stuck. | Jul 18 00:59 |
| MinceR | they gave up to the point that now they started pulling in the Pocket blob nobody asked them to | Jul 18 00:59 |
| oiaohm | Allow EME then Flash can be terminated | Jul 18 00:59 |
| MinceR | which won't help you at all | Jul 18 00:59 |
| oiaohm | Pocket blob is about funding for development. | Jul 18 00:59 |
| MinceR | since now your entire web is a closed blob of shit | Jul 18 01:00 |
| MinceR | before then you could just disable Trash or not install it and have an open web | Jul 18 01:00 |
| oiaohm | Mozilla is still shipping EME free firefox. | Jul 18 01:00 |
| MinceR | afaik they support EME | Jul 18 01:00 |
| oiaohm | And Mozilla still include a EME off switch. | Jul 18 01:00 |
| MinceR | that's not the right way | Jul 18 01:00 |
| oiaohm | So EME is no different to the flash plugin. | Jul 18 01:00 |
| oiaohm | Except it cannot do anywhere near as much. | Jul 18 01:01 |
| MinceR | it can do just as much | Jul 18 01:01 |
| MinceR | it enables the fascists to encrypt the entire website and serve it only to browsers they happen to like | Jul 18 01:01 |
| MinceR | and then you have to break the DRM to access the website | Jul 18 01:01 |
| MinceR | or run their malware | Jul 18 01:01 |
| cubexyz | there are some bad sites, yes | Jul 18 01:02 |
| oiaohm | EME under firefox is only on video streams MinceR | Jul 18 01:02 |
| cubexyz | it's been like that for a while though | Jul 18 01:02 |
| MinceR | and of course if someone ships a browser that breaks the DRM, they'll get sued using DMCA/WCT | Jul 18 01:02 |
| oiaohm | Flash could be images and other crap as well MinceR | Jul 18 01:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so yes it has reduced area. | Jul 18 01:02 |
| MinceR | for how long? | Jul 18 01:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: for ever. | Jul 18 01:03 |
| MinceR | for how long must we keep appeasing fascists? | Jul 18 01:03 |
| MinceR | it didn't work with hitler either | Jul 18 01:03 |
| MinceR | it won't work with putler, it won't work with m$/crApple/mpeg-la | Jul 18 01:03 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: with EME the fascists were not particularly happy either. The standard states that the plugin must run in a sandbox so not able to access the host OS. | Jul 18 01:05 |
| MinceR | it's not like they didn't ignore the standards before when it suited them | Jul 18 01:05 |
| cubexyz | oh boy, that didn't really go well | Jul 18 01:06 |
| cubexyz | Minix is.... ugh, I hate to say not ready | Jul 18 01:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the standard also states open source versions of EME are allowed. | Jul 18 01:06 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: so i've heard | Jul 18 01:07 |
| oiaohm | Lets say it did not really go that well MinceR | Jul 18 01:07 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: "are allowed" won't do anything | Jul 18 01:07 |
| MinceR | the companies who keep the w3c in their pocket and pass shit like this avoid free software whenever they can | Jul 18 01:07 |
| oiaohm | Places like netflicks and so on said they would not give content to webbrowsers without it. If need they would drop out of using browsers completely. | Jul 18 01:08 |
| cubexyz | DRM always gets broken | Jul 18 01:08 |
| MinceR | it's better if they stop using browsers | Jul 18 01:08 |
| MinceR | at least then their malware runs outside the browser | Jul 18 01:08 |
| MinceR | without all the unnecessary UI elements around it | Jul 18 01:09 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: cubexyz is correct. In a define sandbox in fact the DRM is more attackable. | Jul 18 01:09 |
| MinceR | of course it always gets broken | Jul 18 01:09 |
| MinceR | but those who ship a browser that breaks it will be subject to lawsuits | Jul 18 01:09 |
| cubexyz | we've been through all this before with DVD-Jon | Jul 18 01:10 |
| MinceR | so for most users the choice will appear to be "run IE (or equivalent) or have no access to our site" | Jul 18 01:10 |
| oiaohm | What you just stated is exaclty what Mozilla faced if it did not agree some what. | Jul 18 01:10 |
| oiaohm | And what was already happening to firefox. | Jul 18 01:11 |
| MinceR | at least we could have a standard free browser | Jul 18 01:11 |
| MinceR | and that could be a basis for a truly open set of web standards | Jul 18 01:11 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Microsoft Silverlight was required to access a lot of the sites that have agreed to use EME | Jul 18 01:12 |
| MinceR | silver lie is dead. | Jul 18 01:12 |
| MinceR | even m$ gave up on it. | Jul 18 01:12 |
| oiaohm | Yet contect providers were using it up until 8 months ago. | Jul 18 01:12 |
| oiaohm | Reason why pipelight exists on Linux. | Jul 18 01:13 |
| MinceR | at least silver lie and trash keeps the infection to a few sites | Jul 18 01:13 |
| oiaohm | EME is about killing off silverlight and flash. | Jul 18 01:13 |
| MinceR | the way html5 is going, it will be everywhere. | Jul 18 01:13 |
| cubexyz | silverlight was EOLed was it not? | Jul 18 01:13 |
| MinceR | "killing off" silver lie and Trash like this will accomplish exactly nothing | Jul 18 01:13 |
| MinceR | it just turns html/css/js into another Trash/silver lie | Jul 18 01:14 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: content providers obey EOL statements they don't as long as it still shipping there were going to keep on using it. Welcome to security hole from hell. | Jul 18 01:14 |
| MinceR | it's like everyone making flash sites. | Jul 18 01:14 |
| cubexyz | got to keep the software churn going for windows 11 :) | Jul 18 01:14 |
| MinceR | they don't care about security | Jul 18 01:14 |
| MinceR | they never did | Jul 18 01:14 |
| oiaohm | dealing with content providers is like hurding cats not simple. | Jul 18 01:15 |
| cubexyz | everytime I think... it's time for Minix... it disappoints | Jul 18 01:15 |
| MinceR | and by the way, alleged "free software" downloading and running random native code blobs whenever websites feel like it won't be any good for security. | Jul 18 01:15 |
| MinceR | it shouldn't be herding cats, it should be exterminating pests. | Jul 18 01:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I live in Australia wild cats you hurd them then kill them. | Jul 18 01:16 |
| MinceR | also, running random blobs won't be any good for freedom, either | Jul 18 01:16 |
| oiaohm | First stage of hurding the content provoiders was getting them off writing there own custom secuirty browser plugins. | Jul 18 01:17 |
| MinceR | at least you had to install Trash and silver lie manually | Jul 18 01:17 |
| oiaohm | Next is reduce them down to 1. | Jul 18 01:17 |
| cubexyz | I think I had less trouble getting quasijarus to work than Minix | Jul 18 01:17 |
| MinceR | now we have allegedly free browsers just deciding on their own to download, install and run malware. | Jul 18 01:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the pocket thing I did not agree with. | Jul 18 01:17 |
| MinceR | chrome also did it with their always listening voice bullshit. | Jul 18 01:17 |
| MinceR | even in chromium. | Jul 18 01:17 |
| oiaohm | That chromium one is a warning. | Jul 18 01:18 |
| oiaohm | http://thehackernews.com/2015/06/webassembly-fastest-browser.html | Jul 18 01:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thehackernews.com | WebAssembly — New Standard for Powerful and Faster Web Apps [ http://ur1.ca/n5fqz ] | Jul 18 01:18 | |
| MinceR | yeah | Jul 18 01:18 |
| MinceR | and we'd better heed that warning | Jul 18 01:19 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that vocie thing is NACL. | Jul 18 01:19 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter | Jul 18 01:19 |
| oiaohm | O it does matter. | Jul 18 01:19 |
| MinceR | any non-trivial software has bugs | Jul 18 01:19 |
| MinceR | any sandbox can be broken | Jul 18 01:19 |
| oiaohm | What is the updated replacemtn to NACL. | Jul 18 01:19 |
| MinceR | we shouldn't be running random code willy-nilly all the time. | Jul 18 01:19 |
| oiaohm | What I just linked to MinceR | Jul 18 01:19 |
| oiaohm | The strongest possible DRM is a DRM that is part of the stream. | Jul 18 01:19 |
| MinceR | especially when it comes from fascist corporations that love DRM and invasion of privacy | Jul 18 01:20 |
| MinceR | no, the strongest possible DRM is when general purpose computers are illegal and you have an appliance only the government/megacorporation has root on. | Jul 18 01:20 |
| oiaohm | How to you universally crack something where each user gets a unique edition. | Jul 18 01:20 |
| MinceR | and we're going that way. | Jul 18 01:20 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, impossible | Jul 18 01:20 |
| MinceR | that's what Treacherous Computing, UEFI and intel boot guard are all about. | Jul 18 01:20 |
| cubexyz | it will never get that bad | Jul 18 01:20 |
| MinceR | it will, unless the people resist in time. | Jul 18 01:21 |
| MinceR | oh, also, "app stores" | Jul 18 01:21 |
| MinceR | of the crApple kind | Jul 18 01:21 |
| oiaohm | People are voting with feet and going Android more often. | Jul 18 01:21 |
| MinceR | and android usually tended towards becoming more closed | Jul 18 01:21 |
| MinceR | android M might be an exception | Jul 18 01:22 |
| MinceR | but it's too early to call, imo | Jul 18 01:22 |
| oiaohm | For some reason users do like the fact they can install more than 1 app store. | Jul 18 01:22 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: 40 percent of all Android sold is ASOP without google bits. | Jul 18 01:22 |
| MinceR | and people who are forcing DRM at any cost dislike that fact | Jul 18 01:22 |
| oiaohm | Note what I said MinceR | Jul 18 01:22 |
| oiaohm | People are voting with their feet with Android. | Jul 18 01:22 |
| MinceR | meanwhile google is moving formerly AOSP components to google play-dependent closed android. | Jul 18 01:22 |
| MinceR | and they're forcing the non-google AOSP users ever more strongly | Jul 18 01:23 |
| oiaohm | And companies making AOSP devices are using open source play inteface replacements. | Jul 18 01:23 |
| MinceR | and the other mobile platforms are even worse | Jul 18 01:23 |
| cubexyz | zaurus had openbsd | Jul 18 01:23 |
| oiaohm | Google is in a dog fight MinceR | Jul 18 01:23 |
| MinceR | zaurus is ancient and not manufactured anymore, afaik | Jul 18 01:23 |
| MinceR | yeah, and we'll lose that dog fight if things keep going this way | Jul 18 01:24 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://github.com/microg | Jul 18 01:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | μg Project · GitHub | Jul 18 01:25 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Note 2 years ago AOSP was only 25 percent of Android sales. | Jul 18 01:25 |
| MinceR | does it provide a drop-in replacement for Google Play Services? | Jul 18 01:25 |
| oiaohm | For what is implemented microg is drop in replacement to applciations. | Jul 18 01:26 |
| MinceR | applications that depend on Google Play Services will still fail | Jul 18 01:26 |
| oiaohm | Yes the application thinks it talking to google play services but microg is answering. | Jul 18 01:26 |
| MinceR | that's nice | Jul 18 01:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: applications that depend on features of google play services that microg have not implemented yet fail. But this is also true of new applicaiton on old phone that has not updated. | Jul 18 01:27 |
| oiaohm | microg is being supported from developers from companies making AOSP phones. | Jul 18 01:28 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so Android is not as cut and dried as people attempt to make out. You want to suppor the open side buy ASOP phones. | Jul 18 01:29 |
| oiaohm | I would like to see ASOP sales cross 50 percent. | Jul 18 01:30 |
| MinceR | i haven't seen many AOSP phones | Jul 18 01:31 |
| MinceR | though afaik they're common in red china | Jul 18 01:31 |
| MinceR | due to the government pissing off google, i suppose | Jul 18 01:31 |
| oiaohm | https://github.com/microg/JGooglePlay This bit is the most funny MinceR | Jul 18 01:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | microg/JGooglePlay · GitHub | Jul 18 01:31 | |
| oiaohm | So not only can a microg phone run most apps without google play services installed it can still download them from google play. | Jul 18 01:31 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 18 01:32 |
| MinceR | is it subject to the google play backdoor this way? | Jul 18 01:32 |
| oiaohm | No they reverse engenering client. | Jul 18 01:32 |
| MinceR | awesome | Jul 18 01:32 |
| MinceR | i wonder how long will google allow it to remain compatible | Jul 18 01:32 |
| oiaohm | Thinking samsung and many others make ASOP phones | Jul 18 01:33 |
| MinceR | i doubt they sell them in europe, though | Jul 18 01:33 |
| oiaohm | Yes you find samsung developers in microg | Jul 18 01:33 |
| oiaohm | So google is kinda limited how hard they can push before upsetting there supply lines. | Jul 18 01:33 |
| oiaohm | This is one time to be thankful for trade restrictions. | Jul 18 01:34 |
| oiaohm | Remember samsung has a factory in north korra on the USA do not export to list. | Jul 18 01:34 |
| oiaohm | So samsung factory in north korra cannot use google play services as that is not allowed by USA export rules. | Jul 18 01:34 |
| MinceR | what good is a factory in north korea to samsung? | Jul 18 01:35 |
| MinceR | slave workers to make cheap phones for red china? | Jul 18 01:35 |
| oiaohm | Cheep labor rates MinceR | Jul 18 01:35 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Jul 18 01:35 |
| oiaohm | So samsung and other makers evil is countering google evil attempt. | Jul 18 01:35 |
| MinceR | i wonder how long our luck will last | Jul 18 01:36 |
| oiaohm | No device maker is going to give up cheep labour we know this. | Jul 18 01:36 |
| oiaohm | Only way this will end is if someone USA governement gives up having trade restrictions. | Jul 18 01:36 |
| oiaohm | Or google gives in. | Jul 18 01:37 |
| oiaohm | So as long as the status stays the way it is Android will be fairly safe. | Jul 18 01:37 |
| MinceR | what if the USA government instead reduces the restrictions on trade with north korea? | Jul 18 01:37 |
| MinceR | (enabling samsung to make google play-enabled phones there) | Jul 18 01:38 |
| oiaohm | I used north korea as an example. | Jul 18 01:38 |
| oiaohm | Samsung and other devices makers have factories in country after country with trade restrictions. | Jul 18 01:38 |
| MinceR | sure, but wherever they have trade restrictions, they can also revoke them | Jul 18 01:38 |
| MinceR | they did so with cuba, afaik | Jul 18 01:38 |
| oiaohm | But at the same time USA normally creates new trade restrictions. | Jul 18 01:39 |
| oiaohm | The effect of trade restrictions is normally lowing wages. | Jul 18 01:39 |
| oiaohm | This is a never ending cycle MinceR | Jul 18 01:39 |
| oiaohm | So now that cuba does not have trade restrictions wage rates will start to rise so come less profitable to operate there. | Jul 18 01:40 |
| cubexyz | is there a way to turn off sound just in firefox? | Jul 18 01:41 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: can you now see how Google cannot win this unless USA gives up on trade restrictions completely in an area. | Jul 18 01:41 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: under linux running pulseaudio you have per application volume control. If using OSS4 you should have per application volume control. | Jul 18 01:42 |
| xiso | Even if labor cost usa nothing in cuba fuel prices costs are higher. | Jul 18 01:42 |
| MinceR | google may [eventually] have enough pull to make them do that, though | Jul 18 01:42 |
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| oiaohm | The thing is eventually if market of Android can become like 80 percent ASOP first it will not matter if Google gets the rules changed. | Jul 18 01:44 |
| oiaohm | So google has a limited window to win. Why you are seeing like the Android One push and the like. Lose too much ground to ASOP and the plan is over. | Jul 18 01:44 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: of course Google losing to Ubuntu phone or other open source options is also possible. | Jul 18 01:46 |
| cubexyz | no tech seems to have much longevity these days | Jul 18 01:47 |
| cubexyz | it's 2 to 4 years then dump it | Jul 18 01:47 |
| oiaohm | Reason why symbian phones before Android was the dominate phone was also that it could be made in countries with trade restrictions. | Jul 18 01:47 |
| oiaohm | The reason why Windows Phone is screwed so badly getting market share is it closed to start off with. | Jul 18 01:47 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, lol some folks are hex editing libflashplayer.so to stop access to /dev/dsp | Jul 18 01:48 |
| MinceR | afaik the main reason winblows phone is screwed is that the carriers are punishing m$ for buying and maintaining skype | Jul 18 01:49 |
| MinceR | at least that's what Tomi Ahonen said | Jul 18 01:49 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: windows phone was screwed before microsoft aquired skype. | Jul 18 01:49 |
| oiaohm | It could never push symbiam out the way for years. | Jul 18 01:49 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, still some Zaurus on ebay | Jul 18 01:50 |
| oiaohm | Buying skype just made a bad location even worse. | Jul 18 01:50 |
| MinceR | (though the facts that it's horribly crap in the first place, that there was no migration path from symbian and that m$ doesn't have the kind of cult that could make hypePhones sell also figure) | Jul 18 01:50 |
| oiaohm | symbian producers are now making Android | Jul 18 01:50 |
| oiaohm | Lots of them ASOP android. | Jul 18 01:50 |
| oiaohm | People forget symbian was open source for a while. | Jul 18 01:51 |
| MinceR | not sure how open it was | Jul 18 01:51 |
| MinceR | afaik some of its APIs were limited to applications signed by nokia | Jul 18 01:51 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: it was a open cvs on line for a while with complete kernel source. | Jul 18 01:51 |
| MinceR | and i've never heard of anyone successfully building a ROM replacement from the sources | Jul 18 01:52 |
| cubexyz | at least with zaurus C series i could write an X program for it | Jul 18 01:52 |
| oiaohm | nokia closed it up latter and the countries running under trade restrictions devices were based off that source. | Jul 18 01:52 |
| MinceR | i can run x clients on my android phone via Xvnc and a vnc viewer | Jul 18 01:52 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I forget. | Jul 18 01:54 |
| oiaohm | http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2350712/nokia-lost-millions-in-symbian-source-code-ransom | Jul 18 01:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.v3.co.uk | Nokia lost millions in Symbian source code ransom - IT News from V3.co.uk | Jul 18 01:55 | |
| oiaohm | Symbian was not open source at first it was stolen. MinceR | Jul 18 01:55 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 18 01:55 |
| oiaohm | So companies operating in trade restricted countries made counter fit phones while keeping who really owned them secret. | Jul 18 01:55 |
| oiaohm | This kinda gives you an idea what kind of evil Google is facing off against. | Jul 18 01:56 |
| MinceR | the scope of the "stolen" code may have been greater than what was "open sourced" | Jul 18 01:56 |
| oiaohm | These guys behind phone makers are not nice. | Jul 18 01:56 |
| MinceR | it seems that 'nice' is a tiny subset of humanity | Jul 18 01:57 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: holding famailes for ransom so they work in their factories. | Jul 18 01:58 |
| oiaohm | For free. | Jul 18 01:58 |
| oiaohm | Yes the slave trade is alive and well. | Jul 18 01:58 |
| xiso | Spent the last year and 7 months in jail for protest in it | Jul 18 01:59 |
| oiaohm | Like it or not there is a true case of Evil vs Evil with ODM vs Google. ODM have very few things they class as off limits. Killing is about they only thing off limits. | Jul 18 02:00 |
| oiaohm | xiso: Jails are a great place to run factories. | Jul 18 02:01 |
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| xiso | not in colombia or brasil | Jul 18 02:02 |
| oiaohm | At this stage. | Jul 18 02:03 |
| xiso | back in the states to breathe, at least for a while anyways | Jul 18 02:03 |
| xiso | before heading back | Jul 18 02:03 |
| msb__ | Wowie Zowie! I just found how to change the internal title of a pdf file, which is what shows in the taskbar with okular. Now I can have several pdfs open at once and tell them apart. | Jul 18 02:10 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 18 02:11 |
| msb__ | A little program called PDF Mod, which I had all along. | Jul 18 02:11 |
| MinceR | you can also tell okular what to call itself from the command line, afaik | Jul 18 02:11 |
| msb__ | Interesting. But I just click on a pdf file in mc and it calls okular on it. | Jul 18 02:12 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 18 02:12 |
| MinceR | okular --caption 'not okular!' | Jul 18 02:12 |
| MinceR | it worked | Jul 18 02:12 |
| MinceR | apparently i could also change the icon | Jul 18 02:12 |
| cubexyz | kpdf didn't do that | Jul 18 02:13 |
| cubexyz | it just showed the filename at the top | Jul 18 02:13 |
| msb__ | But here's something horrible; this is what ps says about pdfmod: | Jul 18 02:13 |
| msb__ | mono /usr/lib/pdfmod/PdfMod.exe | Jul 18 02:13 |
| MinceR | :( | Jul 18 02:13 |
| cubexyz | uh oh | Jul 18 02:13 |
| msb__ | Agggh! I'm running an exe file! Unclean! Unclean! | Jul 18 02:13 |
| cubexyz | msb__, don't you have kpdf? | Jul 18 02:14 |
| msb__ | sure. will that change the internal title? | Jul 18 02:14 |
| cubexyz | it shows the filename | Jul 18 02:15 |
| cubexyz | just like xpdf did | Jul 18 02:17 |
| cubexyz | not sure what okular does | Jul 18 02:18 |
| msb__ | no, I have xpdf, which doesn't even have a menu | Jul 18 02:19 |
| MinceR | not even on right click? | Jul 18 02:19 |
| cubexyz | it's got menus | Jul 18 02:19 |
| cubexyz | might actually be using motif | Jul 18 02:20 |
| cubexyz | Xm for sure | Jul 18 02:21 |
| MinceR | yup, it depends on lesstif2 on crunchbang waldorf | Jul 18 02:21 |
| cubexyz | which version? | Jul 18 02:23 |
| MinceR | dunno, i quit synaptic already | Jul 18 02:23 |
| msb__ | I can't find xpdf's menu, just a few icons at the bottom. But it does put the filename in the window title and taskbar, whereas okular uses the internal title. | Jul 18 02:24 |
| cubexyz | I wonder if kpdf got orphaned | Jul 18 02:24 |
| cubexyz | trinity might have picked it up | Jul 18 02:24 |
| oiaohm | msb__: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=236119 pdftk with update pdf info can change pdf titles and fairly much everything else decribing a PDF | Jul 18 02:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.fedoraforum.org | [SOLVED] Change title of *.pdf document? - FedoraForum.org [ http://ur1.ca/n5gci ] | Jul 18 02:26 | |
| cubexyz | xpdf hasn't changed much in the last 10 years | Jul 18 02:28 |
| cubexyz | looks like kpdf is still being updated for trinity | Jul 18 02:31 |
| msb__ | okular with --caption <filename> shows the filename but shows the internal title in front of it | Jul 18 02:42 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 18 02:42 |
| msb__ | damn! I was gonna put that in the mc config file. | Jul 18 02:43 |
| MinceR | you might be able to replace the entire window caption with wmctrl -r <WIN> -T <STR> | Jul 18 02:43 |
| MinceR | though that's definitely fiddlier | Jul 18 02:43 |
| MinceR | (you'd have to somehow select the right window so wmctrl knows which one to operate on) | Jul 18 02:44 |
| msb__ | I do have pdftk, a Linux program, which has both command line and gui versions, and a 500 line man page. That's gotta be able to change the internal title! | Jul 18 02:49 |
| msb__ | and not get me sued by microshit | Jul 18 02:50 |
| cubexyz | pdf kind of sucks anyway | Jul 18 02:52 |
| cubexyz | it's not a good tool for archiving | Jul 18 02:52 |
| msb__ | why not? | Jul 18 02:52 |
| cubexyz | you sometimes lose resolution in making a pdf out of rasterized images | Jul 18 02:53 |
| msb__ | ah | Jul 18 02:53 |
| cubexyz | I scan, encode to png and make a tarball | Jul 18 02:53 |
| cubexyz | not to mention the files balloon up in size | Jul 18 02:54 |
| cubexyz | searching through pages of a pdf file can be slow | Jul 18 02:55 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: funny enough is badly made pdfs that are a image a page are slow. | Jul 18 02:56 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: pdf that are basically wrapped PS are not that slow to search. | Jul 18 02:57 |
| oiaohm | https://conf.kde.org/en/akademy2015/public/events/198 this is interesting | Jul 18 02:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-conf.kde.org | akademy2015: Akademy 2015 Program [ http://ur1.ca/n5glc ] | Jul 18 02:58 | |
| MinceR | postscript was better, imo | Jul 18 02:59 |
| MinceR | (probably the only good adobe product ever) | Jul 18 02:59 |
| MinceR | then they came up with pdf, which is binary and tried to push it into tasks where it doesn't work well | Jul 18 02:59 |
| MinceR | (like replacing web pages and forms) | Jul 18 02:59 |
| MinceR | pdf is supposed to be "portable" yet some characters with some fonts won't show up with libpoppler | Jul 18 03:00 |
| MinceR | and it's supposed to be "portable" while also supporting DRM (which, of course, doesn't work) | Jul 18 03:00 |
| cubexyz | I like postscript printers | Jul 18 03:01 |
| MinceR | so do i | Jul 18 03:01 |
| MinceR | i don't care for all that pain handling proprietary printer languages | Jul 18 03:01 |
| MinceR | like pcl5 | Jul 18 03:01 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember PDF archive the fonts are meant to be embedded like standard PS. | Jul 18 03:19 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: there was a reason why I said pdf that are basically wrapped PS. That stuff is ok. | Jul 18 03:20 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: modern PDF printers use the wrapped version. color correction information and file compression are the two advantages over using just PS. | Jul 18 03:21 |
| MinceR | i don't see why it needs to be wrapped | Jul 18 03:21 |
| oiaohm | 1 PS requires images converted to text that makes the bigger. PDF provides a archive format so you don't need to do that. | Jul 18 03:23 |
| oiaohm | 2 color correction stuff indepdent to the main document is a good thing. | Jul 18 03:23 |
| MinceR | you can compress ps with zip, gzip, bzip2, lzma or whatever | Jul 18 03:23 |
| MinceR | why could color correction stuff not be expressed in the postscript syntax? | Jul 18 03:24 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: postscript standard says images are rgb 8bit | Jul 18 03:26 |
| oiaohm | No CMYK no Monochrome no 16 bit images | Jul 18 03:27 |
| MinceR | surely releasing a new version of the standard is simpler than inventing a new format | Jul 18 03:27 |
| MinceR | especially considering that there's a version of PS that lets you embed PDFs in it | Jul 18 03:27 |
| MinceR | (madness) | Jul 18 03:27 |
| oiaohm | If you unpack a PDF you find a postscript file inside. | Jul 18 03:27 |
| oiaohm | PDF was not exactly inventing a new format MinceR | Jul 18 03:28 |
| MinceR | well, it's something like tokenized PS | Jul 18 03:28 |
| oiaohm | PDF extended PS by adding a achrive format around the outside then extended scope. | Jul 18 03:28 |
| oiaohm | Some of the problem with current PDF is feature creep. | Jul 18 03:29 |
| cubexyz | not to mention if a document is a single page png is better | Jul 18 03:30 |
| MinceR | only if you know what resolution you want to print it at | Jul 18 03:30 |
| oiaohm | conveting a single page png to PS is worse than converting a single page png to pdf | Jul 18 03:30 |
| MinceR | neither seems a good idea, unless for the purpose of printing it on a PS printer | Jul 18 03:31 |
| oiaohm | PDF printers have mostly replaced PS printers. | Jul 18 03:31 |
| cubexyz | I was thinking more about archiving the data rather than printing | Jul 18 03:31 |
| oiaohm | Of course PDF printers only like PDF/A documents. | Jul 18 03:31 |
| MinceR | (it's unnecessarily difficult to get the original bitmap image out of a pdf) | Jul 18 03:31 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF/A | Jul 18 03:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | PDF/A - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Jul 18 03:33 | |
| oiaohm | PDF/A is not any general document. | Jul 18 03:33 |
| oiaohm | --All fonts must be embedded and also must be legally embeddable for unlimited, universal rendering. This also applies to the so-called PostScript standard fonts such as Times or Helvetica.-- | Jul 18 03:34 |
| oiaohm | --Encryption is forbidden.-- | Jul 18 03:35 |
| oiaohm | Achive documents DRM is blacklisted. | Jul 18 03:35 |
| oiaohm | Those font issues is PDF that are not PDF/A | Jul 18 03:36 |
| cubexyz | I broke up the original Unix v5 manual pdf into png files | Jul 18 03:40 |
| cubexyz | so I could access pages faster | Jul 18 03:40 |
| MinceR | i rendered an rpg book pdf into jpegs so i could flip through it more quickly | Jul 18 03:40 |
| cubexyz | yes, same idea | Jul 18 03:41 |
| MinceR | but decided that Document Viewer (on android) was fast enough and its ability to use the TOC was more important to me | Jul 18 03:41 |
| oiaohm | I have broken a PDF into single PDF pages before. | Jul 18 03:41 |
| oiaohm | And altered font to common core font. | Jul 18 03:41 |
| MinceR | actually i think i even packaged it into a cbz file | Jul 18 03:41 |
| oiaohm | Really the man reason I have not liked going to images is you can end up more ram using. | Jul 18 03:42 |
| MinceR | my tablet has 2GB RAM, that should be enough for this | Jul 18 03:45 |
| oiaohm | http://www.manpagez.com/man/1/pdfseparate/ | Jul 18 03:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.manpagez.com | man page pdfseparate section 1 [ http://ur1.ca/n5gxb ] | Jul 18 03:45 | |
| oiaohm | This is one of the tools from poppler I find useful. | Jul 18 03:45 |
| MinceR | pdftotext is nice too | Jul 18 03:46 |
| cubexyz | that's another thing I dislike | Jul 18 03:46 |
| cubexyz | there's no universal man pages | Jul 18 03:46 |
| cubexyz | KDE had it's own thing | Jul 18 03:47 |
| cubexyz | there's khelpcenter which wasn't too bad | Jul 18 03:48 |
| cubexyz | it combined KDE help with man pages | Jul 18 03:48 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: there is a issue. man and info both did not include anyways to include pictures. | Jul 18 03:50 |
| oiaohm | when giving instructions for a GUI program pictures are kinda important. | Jul 18 03:50 |
| MinceR | being based on TeX, it should be possible to include pictures in info at least for the printable output | Jul 18 03:51 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the info format in fact strips any images. | Jul 18 03:52 |
| oiaohm | TeX contains enough to work. | Jul 18 03:52 |
| cubexyz | there's xman | Jul 18 03:52 |
| cubexyz | in theory it could show pictures | Jul 18 03:53 |
| cubexyz | I don't think it does though | Jul 18 03:53 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: xman still uses the man format that does not include a picture option. | Jul 18 03:53 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: basically there is a feature problem causing this shattering. | Jul 18 03:54 |
| oiaohm | Really it should not be too hard to extend info and man to allow inserted pictures and in text mode just show a ref to link. | Jul 18 03:55 |
| cubexyz | you can do: khelpcenter man:ps | Jul 18 03:59 |
| cubexyz | but I almost never do that | Jul 18 03:59 |
| cubexyz | so it's actually split across KDE, man, info, and Gnome | Jul 18 04:01 |
| oiaohm | KDE and Gnome cat fight but they both use HTML. | Jul 18 04:04 |
| MinceR | can't troff/groff include pictures? | Jul 18 04:04 |
| MinceR | there's at least support for pic diagrams apparently | Jul 18 04:06 |
| oiaohm | http://www.manpagez.com/man/1/groff/ | Jul 18 04:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.manpagez.com | man page groff section 1 | Jul 18 04:06 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: when generating for other than Man pages. | Jul 18 04:07 |
| MinceR | ic | Jul 18 04:07 |
| cubexyz | is there a viewer for pic files? | Jul 18 04:07 |
| oiaohm | Yes the ugly problem here both info and man are made by tools that can insert picture but those formats block it. | Jul 18 04:07 |
| oiaohm | Really update info and man to allow insert image and they could be made modern. | Jul 18 04:08 |
| MinceR | many packages have html docs under /usr/share/doc/ | Jul 18 04:08 |
| MinceR | some even ship java or javascript search tools for them | Jul 18 04:08 |
| cubexyz | even v7 had pic files | Jul 18 04:10 |
| cubexyz | but I can't remember if there was any way to preview them | Jul 18 04:10 |
| cubexyz | there was the postscript bell system logo also | Jul 18 04:11 |
| cubexyz | ps2pdf for the bell logo | Jul 18 04:13 |
| cubexyz | I know plan9 had something like that | Jul 18 04:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datamation.com | Enterprises Taking a Calculated Approach to the Internet of Things: Red Hat - Datamation | Jul 18 10:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Firefox OS fork “H5OS” gets a $100 million | Jul 18 10:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | boost http://t.co/5B7jX9ygUn (linuxgizmos.com) | Jul 18 10:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Firefox OS fork "H5OS" gets a $100 million boost · LinuxGizmos.com | Jul 18 10:01 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat Makes Progress On Firefox Native For | Jul 18 10:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Wayland http://t.co/JSyHIC3Sxp | Jul 18 10:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Red Hat Makes Progress On Firefox Native For Wayland - Phoronix | Jul 18 10:01 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Major Update Confirmed for July 20 | Jul 18 10:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch Major Update Confirmed for July 20 - Softpedia | Jul 18 10:05 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME vs KDE: Usability vs. Options | Jul 18 10:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datamation.com | GNOME vs KDE: Usability vs. Options - Datamation | Jul 18 10:06 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Kubuntu's Jonathan Riddell Says Ubuntu Policy | Jul 18 10:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Is Still Lacking http://t.co/JPaFMiNFNh | Jul 18 10:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Kubuntu's Jonathan Riddell Says Ubuntu Policy Is Still Lacking - Softpedia | Jul 18 10:06 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus OS Gets a Refreshed Filysystem and Is | Jul 18 10:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Moving Closer to a Stable Release | Jul 18 10:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Solus OS Gets a Refreshed Filysystem and Is Moving Closer to a Stable Release - Softpedia | Jul 18 10:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora: The Latest http://t.co/v22gTrTtQH | Jul 18 10:13 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-5 Update Detailed | Jul 18 10:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch OTA-5 Update Detailed - Softpedia | Jul 18 10:13 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Clonezilla Live OS Is Now Using Linux Kernel | Jul 18 10:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 4.0.8 http://t.co/LNCm5WSaas | Jul 18 10:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Clonezilla Live OS Is Now Using Linux Kernel 4.0.8 - Softpedia | Jul 18 10:17 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Voyager X8 – One of the Best Linux Distros | Jul 18 10:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | You’ve Never Heard Of https://t.co/X1qIwjzcHb | Jul 18 10:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Voyager X8 - One of the Best Linux Distros Never Heard Of | Jul 18 10:17 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Intel Celeron N3050 Braswell Linux Performance | Jul 18 10:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/LXmpFQIRLQ (www.phoronix.com) | Jul 18 10:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Intel Celeron N3050 Braswell Linux Performance Review - Phoronix | Jul 18 10:17 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tizen Dev Tools Version 15.01 Released | Jul 18 10:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/ghzJ3uS2W2 (www.tizenexperts.com) | Jul 18 10:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | [Developer] Tizen Dev Tools Version 15.01 Released - Tizen Experts | Jul 18 10:17 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LibreOffice GTK3 On Wayland Starts To Work | Jul 18 10:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | LibreOffice GTK3 On Wayland Starts To Work - Phoronix | Jul 18 10:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition Review | Jul 18 10:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Vz3gpmLNmR (www.linuxuser.co.uk) | Jul 18 10:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxuser.co.uk | Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition Review | Linux User & Developer - the Linux and FOSS mag for a GNU generation | Jul 18 10:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Daily Builds for Ubuntu 15.10 Return After One | Jul 18 10:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Month of Absence http://t.co/eM3VbxFxqj | Jul 18 10:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Daily Builds for Ubuntu 15.10 Return After One Month of Absence - Softpedia | Jul 18 10:46 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 7-inch industrial touchscreen modules run Linux | Jul 18 10:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | on i.MX6 http://t.co/4AuAnof5fS | Jul 18 10:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | 7-inch industrial touchscreen modules run Linux on i.MX6 · LinuxGizmos.com | Jul 18 10:58 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi retweeted @tuxmachines: '7-inch industrial touchscreen modules run Linux on i.MX6...' | Jul 18 10:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Plasma 5.4 Freeze on schedule for summer | Jul 18 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | release (late August they said) | Jul 18 11:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.davidedmundson.co.uk | 3 weeks till Plasma 5.4 Freeze | David Edmundson's Web Log | Jul 18 11:06 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "My main work at LaKademy 2015 was to finish | Jul 18 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | the port of Cantor to Qt5/KF5." | Jul 18 11:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.filipesaraiva.info | LaKademy 2015 – my own Cantor sprint and other tasks at Filipe Saraiva's blog | Jul 18 11:07 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Kubuntu's Jonathan Riddell Says Ubuntu Policy | Jul 18 11:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Is Still Lacking http://t.co/JPaFMiNFNh | Jul 18 11:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Kubuntu's Jonathan Riddell Says Ubuntu Policy Is Still Lacking - Softpedia | Jul 18 11:20 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Debian Project Lead: Snappy and Mir Bad Ideas | Jul 18 11:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com | Debian Project Lead: Snappy and Mir Bad Ideas | Jul 18 11:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines PackageKit 1.0.7 Is a Major Release with | Jul 18 11:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Portage, Entropy, and Yum Improvements | Jul 18 11:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | PackageKit 1.0.7 Is a Major Release with Portage, Entropy, and Yum Improvements - Softpedia | Jul 18 11:20 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Team Fortress 2 Update Arrives on Steam for | Jul 18 11:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux | Jul 18 11:28 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Creator Linus Torvalds Goes Zero G in | Jul 18 11:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Fighter Jet | Jul 18 11:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Linux Creator Linus Torvalds Goes Zero G in Fighter Jet - YouTube | Jul 18 11:28 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-uk.businessinsider.com | Linus Torvalds' zero-g plane ride, no puke - Business Insider | Jul 18 11:28 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines eeping skills fresh in tech pays off | Jul 18 11:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | eeping skills fresh in tech pays off | Tux Machines | Jul 18 11:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Debian Project Lead: Snappy and Mir Bad Ideas | Jul 18 11:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian Project Lead: Snappy and Mir Bad Ideas | Tux Machines | Jul 18 11:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: OSS http://t.co/KwcnIJpUjp | Jul 18 11:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: OSS | Tux Machines | Jul 18 11:35 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines PackageKit 1.0.7 Is a Major Release with | Jul 18 11:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Portage, Entropy, and Yum Improvements | Jul 18 11:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PackageKit 1.0.7 Is a Major Release with Portage, Entropy, and Yum Improvements | Tux Machines | Jul 18 11:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linus, LibreOffice, and Linux | Jul 18 11:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linus, LibreOffice, and Linux | Tux Machines | Jul 18 11:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Antergos – A Beginner-Friendly Arch-Based | Jul 18 11:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Distro https://t.co/ykeyfGf0cR | Jul 18 11:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Antergos - A Beginner Friendly Arch Based Distro | Jul 18 11:43 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines SteamOS 2.0 Beta review - Commencing countdown | Jul 18 11:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/P1reSe6vrL (www.dedoimedo.com) | Jul 18 11:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dedoimedo.com | SteamOS 2.0 Beta review - Commencing countdown | Jul 18 11:43 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Calibre 2.32 Arrives with New Features and Lots | Jul 18 11:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of Fixes http://t.co/vbT13Wvz8C | Jul 18 11:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Calibre 2.32 Arrives with New Features and Lots of Fixes - Softpedia | Jul 18 11:43 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines IPFire 2.17 Core Update 92 Patches OpenSSL and | Jul 18 11:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Squid Security Vulnerabilities | Jul 18 11:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/KEnKXN4X4G (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 18 11:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | IPFire 2.17 Core Update 92 Patches OpenSSL and Squid Security Vulnerabilities - Softpedia | Jul 18 11:47 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Intel Iris Pro 6200 Graphics Are A Dream Come | Jul 18 11:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | True For Open-Source Linux Fans | Jul 18 11:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/lZAgAjvDwr (www.phoronix.com) | Jul 18 11:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Intel Iris Pro 6200 Graphics Are A Dream Come True For Open-Source Linux Fans - Phoronix | Jul 18 11:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines EXT3 File-System Driver To Be Removed From The | Jul 18 11:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Kernel http://t.co/PWvPNgJRPi | Jul 18 11:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | EXT3 File-System Driver To Be Removed From The Linux Kernel - Phoronix | Jul 18 11:48 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Magic Circle Puzzle FPS Gets Linux Support | Jul 18 11:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | on Steam | Jul 18 11:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/68Ey1pzTTQ (linux.softpedia.com) | Jul 18 11:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | The Magic Circle Puzzle FPS Gets Linux Support on Steam - Softpedia | Jul 18 11:53 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/YlCN0uYJ5i | Jul 18 12:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 12:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz | Jul 18 12:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jul 18 12:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open Document Format (ODF) 1.2 published as | Jul 18 12:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | International Standard 26300:2015 by ISO/IEC | Jul 18 12:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Document Format (ODF) 1.2 published as International Standard 26300:2015 by ISO/IEC | Tux Machines | Jul 18 12:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Antergos – A Beginner-Friendly Arch-Based | Jul 18 12:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Distro http://t.co/UV5FS5cJ0L | Jul 18 12:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Antergos – A Beginner-Friendly Arch-Based Distro | Tux Machines | Jul 18 12:07 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines IPFire 2.17 Core Update 92 Patches OpenSSL and | Jul 18 12:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IPFire 2.17 Core Update 92 Patches OpenSSL and Squid Security Vulnerabilities | Tux Machines | Jul 18 12:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines EXT3 File-System Driver To Be Removed From The | Jul 18 12:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Kernel http://t.co/pqccK9sGY1 | Jul 18 12:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | EXT3 File-System Driver To Be Removed From The Linux Kernel | Tux Machines | Jul 18 12:55 | |
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| schestowitz | > Brain drain to be expected. | Jul 18 17:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 18 17:52 |
| schestowitz | > I guess you know that many many EPO staff members have requested and also granted their requests for (regular, or early) retirement. | Jul 18 17:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 18 17:52 |
| schestowitz | > Before you ask: | Jul 18 17:52 |
| schestowitz | > no, unfortunately I do not have any document showing evidence of that. | Jul 18 17:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 18 17:52 |
| schestowitz | > Rumor has it, that the management will also change the retirement rules and conditions very soon. | Jul 18 17:52 |
| schestowitz | > Everything is speculative, so better if you don't yet publish that. Just keep the info in mind. | Jul 18 17:52 |
| schestowitz | I wonder how long before parts of management step down and, if that happens, whether staff will be informed (not good 'damage control'). | Jul 18 17:52 |
| schestowitz | I am very cynical about retirement/pension schemes. I recently saw yet another good video (lecture) about deferred promises of payment. I don't count on my pension for anything and I don't think EPO staff has much to count on, either. Unless they have no critical skills, which I strongly doubt... | Jul 18 17:52 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6353440 | Jul 18 17:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: The world’s first ‘true Android PC’ costs just $20 http://bgr.com/2015/07/15/remix-mini-android-pc-kickstarter/ #android #linux | Jul 18 17:54 | |
| schestowitz | "android violates lot of FSF’s principles, it does not represent user rights, it cannot be said as free operating system" | Jul 18 17:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> bgr.com | Remix Mini Android PC Kickstarter | BGR [ http://ur1.ca/n57uz ] | Jul 18 17:54 | |
| schestowitz | "→ http://www.replicant.us" | Jul 18 17:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.replicant.us | Replicant | Jul 18 17:54 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.reddit.com/r/libreboot/comments/3dbpxg/governmentsconnected_hacking_team_targets_uefi/ | Jul 18 17:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Governments-Connected ‘Hacking Team’ Targets UEFI, Reveal Leaks : libreboot [ http://ur1.ca/n5nr1 ] | Jul 18 17:56 | |
| schestowitz | www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/3dbqd5/governmentsconnected_hacking_team_targets_uefi/ | Jul 18 17:56 |
| cubexyz | these PC World articles talking about saying a "2.5 Ghz" computer is good enough are bit off | Jul 18 18:05 |
| cubexyz | reducing energy consumption is still important | Jul 18 18:07 |
| cubexyz | and computers have changed so much: | Jul 18 18:18 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/20-years-basically-the-same.jpg | Jul 18 18:19 |
| schestowitz | well, with arm processors we can do well | Jul 18 18:32 |
| schestowitz | for instance, I can do IRC or some video playback on a tablet with very low wattage | Jul 18 18:32 |
| schestowitz | that included the screen | Jul 18 18:32 |
| schestowitz | whereas new machines still use external monitors and such stuff | Jul 18 18:33 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: I have begun running apps remotely | Jul 18 18:33 |
| schestowitz | over ssh | Jul 18 18:33 |
| schestowitz | on other machines | Jul 18 18:33 |
| *cubexyz nods | Jul 18 18:33 | |
| schestowitz | this helps spread the load a bit, and improves memory management | Jul 18 18:33 |
| schestowitz | a bit like VMs | Jul 18 18:34 |
| schestowitz | so... | Jul 18 18:34 |
| schestowitz | one machine can do mail | Jul 18 18:34 |
| schestowitz | another media | Jul 18 18:34 |
| schestowitz | another browsing | Jul 18 18:34 |
| schestowitz | connect with ssh or Synergy | Jul 18 18:34 |
| schestowitz | I use QuickSynergy to manage layout | Jul 18 18:34 |
| schestowitz | now I have 4 screens | Jul 18 18:34 |
| schestowitz | 2 are of my wife's laptop | Jul 18 18:34 |
| schestowitz | and I can enter them with the mouse using synergy | Jul 18 18:34 |
| cubexyz | plan 9 is good for distributed computing, but the application pool is much smaller | Jul 18 18:35 |
| cubexyz | and web browsing is... well it's way behind unfortunately | Jul 18 18:36 |
| schestowitz | BTW | Jul 18 18:36 |
| schestowitz | I want to thank you for the loggers, I use them every week | Jul 18 18:36 |
| schestowitz | complete logs since 2008 | Jul 18 18:37 |
| schestowitz | these logs are being accessed my spies, I have been told, at least those who are worried about bad publicity for the EPO | Jul 18 18:37 |
| cubexyz | it will be interesting to look back at them in 20+ years :) | Jul 18 18:37 |
| schestowitz | European Patent Office very corrupt | Jul 18 18:37 |
| schestowitz | relates to intl' trade deals, inc. the one with Canada | Jul 18 18:37 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: yeah, I always preserve URLs etc. | Jul 18 18:38 |
| schestowitz | since I started in 2003 or thereabouts, no 404s | Jul 18 18:38 |
| schestowitz | I can google my own sites to basically search back through stuff I worked on, code, words, articles... | Jul 18 18:38 |
| schestowitz | techrights has about 80,000 'pages' stored in Google | Jul 18 18:39 |
| schestowitz | last week was highest traffic in years | Jul 18 18:39 |
| schestowitz | because we were in reddit's front page | Jul 18 18:39 |
| schestowitz | the article about MS' patent extortion against Android | Jul 18 18:39 |
| cubexyz | a lot of my server traffic is folks downloading techrights logs | Jul 18 18:40 |
| schestowitz | I wish I still had the time to write more in IRC | Jul 18 18:40 |
| schestowitz | I still read it all, but can't always spend much time here like I used to | Jul 18 18:40 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: I use wget | Jul 18 18:40 |
| schestowitz | so maybe you can see when it's me, via BTcentral | Jul 18 18:41 |
| cubexyz | wget is an interesting attack vector as well | Jul 18 18:41 |
| cubexyz | I spent quite a lot of time studying it | Jul 18 18:41 |
| schestowitz | cp techrights.log techrights-previous.log | Jul 18 18:41 |
| schestowitz | rm techrights.log | Jul 18 18:41 |
| schestowitz | wget http://maxhost.org/other/techrights.log | Jul 18 18:41 |
| schestowitz | tail -n30000 .xchat2/xchatlogs/FreeNode-#boycottnovell.log > ~/LAPTOP-FreeNode-#boycottnovell.log | Jul 18 18:41 |
| schestowitz | tail -n100000 .xchat2/xchatlogs/FreeNode-#boycottnovell-social.log > ~/LAPTOP-FreeNode-#boycottnovell-social.log | Jul 18 18:41 |
| schestowitz | tail -n30000 .xchat2/xchatlogs/FreeNode-#techbytes.log > ~/LAPTOP-FreeNode-#techbytes.log | Jul 18 18:41 |
| schestowitz | tail -n30000 .xchat2/xchatlogs/FreeNode-#techrights.log > ~/LAPTOP-FreeNode-#techrights.log | Jul 18 18:41 |
| schestowitz | tail -n30000 ~/FreeNode-#boycottnovell.log > ~/LIBERTY-FreeNode-#boycottnovell.log | Jul 18 18:41 |
| schestowitz | tail -n100000 ~/FreeNode-#boycottnovell-social.log > ~/LIBERTY-FreeNode-#boycottnovell-social.log | Jul 18 18:41 |
| schestowitz | tail -n30000 ~/FreeNode-#techbytes.log > ~/LIBERTY-FreeNode-#techbytes.log | Jul 18 18:41 |
| schestowitz | tail -n30000 ~/FreeNode-#techrights.log > ~/LIBERTY-FreeNode-#techrights.log | Jul 18 18:41 |
| schestowitz | kate python ~/LIBERTY-FreeNode-#boycottnovell.log ~/LIBERTY-FreeNode-#boycottnovell-social.log ~/LIBERTY-FreeNode-#techbytes.log ~/LIBERTY-FreeNode-#techrights.log ~/LAPTOP-FreeNode-#boycottnovell.log ~/LAPTOP-FreeNode-#boycottnovell-social.log ~/LAPTOP-FreeNode-#techbytes.log ~/LAPTOP-FreeNode-#techrights.log ~/techrights.log irc-log-techrights irc-log irc-log-social irc-log-techbytes | Jul 18 18:41 |
| schestowitz | and to generate once editing it done: | Jul 18 18:42 |
| schestowitz | python ./Main/Programs/irclog2html.py irc-log-techrights --title='IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: July 12th, 2015-July 18th, 2015' ; python ./Main/Programs/irclog2html.py irc-log --title='IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: July 12th, 2015-July 18th, 2015' ; python ./Main/Programs/irclog2html.py irc-log-social --title='IRC: #boycottnovell-social @ FreeNode: July 12th, 2015-July 18th, 2015' ; python ./Main/Programs/irclog2html.py irc-log-techbytes | Jul 18 18:42 |
| schestowitz | --title='IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: July 12th, 2015-July 18th, 2015' ; cp irc-log.html irc-log-12072015.html ; cp irc-log-social.html irc-log-social-12072015.html ; cp irc-log-techrights.html irc-log-techrights-12072015.html; cp irc-log-techbytes.html irc-log-techbytes-12072015.html | Jul 18 18:42 |
| cubexyz | we need Watson to organize it all :) | Jul 18 18:42 |
| schestowitz | been doing that for years, maybe 6 or 7 years now, I've improved and automated a growing number of bits | Jul 18 18:42 |
| schestowitz | let me check how many megs in logs... | Jul 18 18:43 |
| cubexyz | I inadvertently logged coreboot since 2008 | Jul 18 18:43 |
| cubexyz | it's not even that big | Jul 18 18:44 |
| schestowitz | [root@techrights uploads]# find | grep irc- | wc | Jul 18 18:44 |
| schestowitz | 4994 4994 190681 | Jul 18 18:44 |
| schestowitz | 5000 files | Jul 18 18:44 |
| schestowitz | wonder how to filter to just show their total size, offhand... | Jul 18 18:44 |
| cubexyz | about 66 megs for 7 years worth | Jul 18 18:44 |
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| schestowitz | I can use cut and dc I think | Jul 18 18:45 |
| schestowitz | but there must be a simpler way | Jul 18 18:45 |
| schestowitz | with grep of input files to du | Jul 18 18:45 |
| schestowitz | [root@techrights uploads]# du -sh | Jul 18 18:46 |
| schestowitz | 3.7G . | Jul 18 18:46 |
| schestowitz | odd, should be bigger... | Jul 18 18:46 |
| MinceR | that's not what she said! | Jul 18 18:46 |
| cubexyz | don't forget wget can do compression | Jul 18 18:48 |
| schestowitz | [root@techrights uploads]# du --max-depth=1 | Jul 18 18:48 |
| schestowitz | 148156 ./2012 | Jul 18 18:48 |
| schestowitz | 72 ./2006 | Jul 18 18:48 |
| schestowitz | 264968 ./2011 | Jul 18 18:48 |
| cubexyz | wget --header='accept-encoding: gzip' | Jul 18 18:48 |
| schestowitz | 13092 ./2007 | Jul 18 18:48 |
| schestowitz | 198572 ./2008 | Jul 18 18:48 |
| schestowitz | 454204 ./2009 | Jul 18 18:48 |
| schestowitz | 646968 ./2010 | Jul 18 18:48 |
| schestowitz | 990904 ./2014 | Jul 18 18:48 |
| schestowitz | 494548 ./2013 | Jul 18 18:48 |
| schestowitz | 635276 ./2015 | Jul 18 18:48 |
| schestowitz | So I guess roughly half a meg a year for IRC | Jul 18 18:48 |
| schestowitz | no files uploaded in the first month of the site | Jul 18 18:49 |
| schestowitz | in december only 4 | Jul 18 18:49 |
| schestowitz | quite a throwback | Jul 18 18:49 |
| schestowitz | almost 10 hyears | Jul 18 18:49 |
| schestowitz | next year is the 10-year anniversary of MS-Novell deal | Jul 18 18:49 |
| schestowitz | there's no novell to commemorate it | Jul 18 18:50 |
| schestowitz | it was sort of dissolved 4 years after the deal | Jul 18 18:50 |
| schestowitz | 2010, I think February | Jul 18 18:50 |
| schestowitz | with a whimper/bang | Jul 18 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Phoronix also turned 10 | Jul 18 18:51 |
| schestowitz | I think around time tuxmachines did | Jul 18 18:51 |
| schestowitz | but tuxmachines didn't beg for money.. | Jul 18 18:51 |
| cubexyz | a lot of the hard-core Unix traditionalists hang out at TUHS | Jul 18 18:52 |
| cubexyz | but I think Unix is safe from Microsoft now | Jul 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | I reckon Michael makes money auctioning away the gifts and doing some work for companies that want on-demand benchmarking by him | Jul 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | but it's hard to know how it's financed, except some ads and subs | Jul 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | or amazon code referrals | Jul 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | not that it matters, I like phoronix | Jul 18 18:52 |
| cubexyz | Microsoft really did harm Unix though for a while | Jul 18 18:53 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: unix has changed | Jul 18 18:53 |
| cubexyz | Xenix was a parody of Unix | Jul 18 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Apple took a role in it, now Microsoft too | Jul 18 18:53 |
| schestowitz | they're coopting unix | Jul 18 18:53 |
| schestowitz | they also try linux, but they can't tolerate copyleft | Jul 18 18:53 |
| schestowitz | they might just drop in some drivers into it to make proprietary s/w like hyper-v work | Jul 18 18:53 |
| schestowitz | OH | Jul 18 18:54 |
| schestowitz | OTR | Jul 18 18:54 |
| schestowitz | I just spoke to someone from Microsoft | Jul 18 18:54 |
| schestowitz | (don't ask) | Jul 18 18:54 |
| schestowitz | and he told me, | Jul 18 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Vista 10 crashes a lot | Jul 18 18:54 |
| cubexyz | hahaha | Jul 18 18:54 |
| schestowitz | vlue screens of death | Jul 18 18:54 |
| schestowitz | the company promises a more stable built | Jul 18 18:54 |
| schestowitz | he also thought it was free | Jul 18 18:54 |
| cubexyz | I'm getting major deja vu here :) | Jul 18 18:54 |
| schestowitz | he works there as a programmer | Jul 18 18:54 |
| schestowitz | And I told him, no, it's just 'free' upgrade | Jul 18 18:54 |
| schestowitz | he didn't even know, they mislead their own staff too | Jul 18 18:54 |
| cubexyz | well even if it was free would you really want it? | Jul 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | anyway, he said they were moved into smaller officer | Jul 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | *offices | Jul 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | they now share the office with many people | Jul 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | they also moved buildings | Jul 18 18:55 |
| cubexyz | I'm not sure I'd even want windows 10 even if I got source code with it | Jul 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | to a smaller one that they share with other companies | Jul 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | he was moved between teams | Jul 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | MS is collapsing | Jul 18 18:55 |
| cubexyz | yeah I predicting that | Jul 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | but like any company (inc. Novell) they'lll NEVER admit it | Jul 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | assurance of financial stability is what customers think it's safe to go with | Jul 18 18:56 |
| cubexyz | BSD/Linux is the way to go | Jul 18 18:56 |
| schestowitz | But MS has no future certainty | Jul 18 18:56 |
| schestowitz | I can't quite publish that as a blog | Jul 18 18:56 |
| schestowitz | as I promised not to and I don't want to hurt the source | Jul 18 18:56 |
| cubexyz | Microsoft managed to gum things up since windows 3.0 so good riddance | Jul 18 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Vista 10 will save Microsoft | Jul 18 18:56 |
| schestowitz | said Microsoft | Jul 18 18:56 |
| schestowitz | as always | Jul 18 18:56 |
| schestowitz | as Vista | Jul 18 18:56 |
| schestowitz | oh | Jul 18 18:57 |
| schestowitz | And hardware support on vista 10 is crap | Jul 18 18:57 |
| schestowitz | causing BSOD | Jul 18 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Like Vista | Jul 18 18:57 |
| schestowitz | He told me they're still chasing the hardware support thing | Jul 18 18:57 |
| cubexyz | every version BSODed execept maybe windows 1 and 2.0 | Jul 18 18:57 |
| MinceR | m$ and crApple may yet kill general purpose computers (along with their cronies in governments) | Jul 18 18:57 |
| cubexyz | which simply crashed | Jul 18 18:57 |
| schestowitz | but since it's RTM soon/already I reckon it'll be another disaster like Vista 8 | Jul 18 18:57 |
| schestowitz | which Microsoft has also hyped before it was released | Jul 18 18:57 |
| MinceR | and redcrap and their cult may yet kill Linux and BSD | Jul 18 18:58 |
| schestowitz | even MS staff ha | Jul 18 18:58 |
| schestowitz | tes Vista 8 | Jul 18 18:58 |
| schestowitz | would rather use 7 | Jul 18 18:58 |
| schestowitz | it's really quite funny talking to people from the insider | Jul 18 18:58 |
| schestowitz | they're a bit nervous about the layoffs | Jul 18 18:58 |
| cubexyz | I dealt with Microsoft a bit in the past | Jul 18 18:58 |
| schestowitz | the one I spoke to tried Linux | Jul 18 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva, Fedora.. | Jul 18 18:59 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yeah, right... | Jul 18 18:59 |
| schestowitz | prepare for FUD attack in a few weeks | Jul 18 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Vista 10 is coming!! | Jul 18 18:59 |
| schestowitz | !google slashdot microsoft womens football | Jul 18 18:59 |
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| schestowitz | !google slashdot microsoft womens football | Jul 18 19:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Cornell Study: For STEM Tenure Track, Women ... - Slashdot Science | http://science.slashdot.org/story/15/04/14/1549207/cornell-study-for-stem-tenure-track-women-twice-as-likely-to-be-hired-as-men | Jul 18 19:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Lies, Damn Lies, and Tech Diversity Statistics - Slashdot | http://politics.slashdot.org/story/15/01/17/233208/lies-damn-lies-and-tech-diversity-statistics | Jul 18 19:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - US Dept. of Education Teams With Microsoft-Led Teach ... - Slashdot | http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/04/14/0322222/us-dept-of-education-teams-with-microsoft-led-teachorg-on-teacher-diversity | Jul 18 19:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - How Machine Learning Can Transform Online Dating - Slashdot | http://slashdot.org/story/13/12/31/1437227/how-machine-learning-can-transform-online-dating | Jul 18 19:00 |
| cubexyz | Microsoft was always crap compared to DEC and Sun | Jul 18 19:00 |
| schestowitz | [16:52] <TweetSchestowitz> @slashdot Microsoft Uses US Women's Soccer Team To | Jul 18 19:00 |
| schestowitz | [16:52] <TweetSchestowitz> Explain Why It Doesn't Hire More Women | Jul 18 19:00 |
| schestowitz | [16:52] <TweetSchestowitz> http://t.co/CRPhexAmRD | Jul 18 19:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developers.slashdot.org | Microsoft Uses US Women's Soccer Team To Explain Why It Doesn't Hire More Women - Slashdot | Jul 18 19:00 | |
| schestowitz | [16:52] <TweetSchestowitz> (developers.slashdot.org) | Jul 18 19:00 |
| schestowitz | [16:52] <TweetSchestowitz> ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n5n8f | Jul 18 19:00 |
| cubexyz | they had one big advantage: the IBM PC legacy and they ran on cheap hardware | Jul 18 19:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@slashdot: Microsoft Uses US Women's Soccer Team To Explain Why It Doesn't Hire More Women http://t.co/CRPhexAmRD | Jul 18 19:00 | |
| schestowitz | They don't hire men either | Jul 18 19:00 |
| schestowitz | They're firing people | Jul 18 19:00 |
| schestowitz | and shrinking the offices of existing staff | Jul 18 19:00 |
| cubexyz | yes, it is the beginning of the end for them | Jul 18 19:01 |
| schestowitz | depending on which division | Jul 18 19:01 |
| cubexyz | who knows how many people run Linux/BSD on old hardware, I bet it's a LOT | Jul 18 19:01 |
| schestowitz | I think we need to focus on changing patent regime, esp. with all those 'trade' agreements | Jul 18 19:01 |
| MinceR | and yet both DEC and Sun are dead | Jul 18 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft will do a fine job killing itself, as Novell did before it | Jul 18 19:01 |
| cubexyz | didn't Oracle pick up Sun? | Jul 18 19:01 |
| schestowitz | lots of articles now about why you SHOULD run Linux on "Azune" [sic] | Jul 18 19:02 |
| schestowitz | !google linux on azure | Jul 18 19:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Endorsed distributions of Linux in Azure - Microsoft Azure | https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/documentation/articles/virtual-machines-linux-endorsed-distributions/ | Jul 18 19:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Create a virtual machine running Linux in Azure - Microsoft Azure | http://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/documentation/articles/virtual-machines-linux-tutorial/ | Jul 18 19:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Linux on Azure—a Strange Place to Find a Penguin | Linux Journal | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linux-azure%25E2%2580%2594-strange-place-find-penguin | Jul 18 19:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Microsoft “loves Linux” as it makes Azure bigger, better | Ars Technica | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/10/microsoft-loves-linux-as-it-makes-azure-bigger-better/ | Jul 18 19:02 |
| schestowitz | I want a Linux of IDIOTIC companies that actually went this route | Jul 18 19:02 |
| schestowitz | maybe they already has an account there | Jul 18 19:02 |
| MinceR | the death of haiku >> https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/axeld/2015-07-17_introducing_launch_daemon | Jul 18 19:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.haiku-os.org | Introducing the launch_daemon | Haiku Project [ http://ur1.ca/n5ob8 ] | Jul 18 19:02 | |
| schestowitz | as some have with AWS | Jul 18 19:02 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, DEC was important in it's day, so was Bell Labs | Jul 18 19:02 |
| schestowitz | So they thought, wait a minute, we can also create a *NUX instance | Jul 18 19:02 |
| MinceR | it could still be important, had fascists not killed it | Jul 18 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Is Bell still around? | Jul 18 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Not the Canadian one | Jul 18 19:03 |
| cubexyz | sure | Jul 18 19:03 |
| schestowitz | There's Bellsouth | Jul 18 19:03 |
| cubexyz | Bell Labs still exists, but it's a lot smaller now | Jul 18 19:03 |
| schestowitz | which I assume is one of the bits it got broken down to | Jul 18 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Bellsouth blocks my emails | Jul 18 19:03 |
| schestowitz | for like 7 years now | Jul 18 19:03 |
| schestowitz | thinks my outgoing mail server is rogue, no other ISP does this | Jul 18 19:04 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: maybe like the next Nortell | Jul 18 19:04 |
| schestowitz | *tel | Jul 18 19:04 |
| schestowitz | What are they making, headsets? | Jul 18 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Or business ware? | Jul 18 19:04 |
| cubexyz | good question | Jul 18 19:05 |
| cubexyz | I still talk to the old guard | Jul 18 19:05 |
| schestowitz | UNIX and BSD seem to be going nowhere. Solaris is hardly getting any love from Oracle, either | Jul 18 19:05 |
| schestowitz | SCO dead... | Jul 18 19:05 |
| schestowitz | and many big developer names and companies go to Linux Foundation-centric consortia | Jul 18 19:05 |
| schestowitz | maybe there won't be much left of UNIX in 10 years | Jul 18 19:05 |
| cubexyz | OpenBSD is still going strong | Jul 18 19:05 |
| schestowitz | for routers and stuff | Jul 18 19:05 |
| schestowitz | but it's a niche | Jul 18 19:06 |
| schestowitz | and the bsd-based security distros I dealt with were crap | Jul 18 19:06 |
| cubexyz | some of the old Bell folks use FreeBSD, some use NetBSD | Jul 18 19:06 |
| schestowitz | one of them we had to spend a lot of effort replacing with Linux | Jul 18 19:06 |
| schestowitz | pfsense | Jul 18 19:06 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: but are any young people using it? | Jul 18 19:06 |
| schestowitz | It looks like UNIX veterans use it | Jul 18 19:07 |
| schestowitz | but I hardly see young people on UNIX, they hardly know what it means | Jul 18 19:07 |
| cubexyz | Theo is around my age | Jul 18 19:07 |
| cubexyz | yeah | Jul 18 19:07 |
| schestowitz | except that crap Apple coughs out and calls "BSD" | Jul 18 19:07 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: but Theo is not so young anymore | Jul 18 19:07 |
| schestowitz | maybe mid 40s? | Jul 18 19:07 |
| schestowitz | the university students don't do UNIX | Jul 18 19:07 |
| cubexyz | actually he's younger than me :) | Jul 18 19:08 |
| cubexyz | 1968 | Jul 18 19:08 |
| cubexyz | 47 | Jul 18 19:08 |
| schestowitz | RMS is neatly 63 I think | Jul 18 19:08 |
| schestowitz | wonder if he'll retire, ever... | Jul 18 19:08 |
| schestowitz | GNU is hardly spoken about | Jul 18 19:08 |
| schestowitz | he never made a true comeback | Jul 18 19:09 |
| schestowitz | and FSF lost momentum around 2007 | Jul 18 19:09 |
| schestowitz | RMS seems to get some more respect, but the Foundation erases his role in GNU/Linux with its Torvalds cult | Jul 18 19:09 |
| MinceR | he has practically retired | Jul 18 19:10 |
| cubexyz | there's a bit of a schism between the BSD and Linux camps | Jul 18 19:10 |
| MinceR | he doesn't care about the cancerd takeover | Jul 18 19:10 |
| cubexyz | I use both, I like traditional Unix but I also like Linux (mostly) | Jul 18 19:10 |
| cubexyz | I'm not too keen on systemd and a few other developments | Jul 18 19:11 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I'd take the same stance as him | Jul 18 19:12 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: never wrote a post in TR about systemd | Jul 18 19:13 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to be in this fight | Jul 18 19:13 |
| schestowitz | it would have me hates by a high % in the Linux world | Jul 18 19:13 |
| MinceR | those who don't want to be in this fight will merely lose it | Jul 18 19:13 |
| schestowitz | because there's a high volume of people who get dragged along | Jul 18 19:13 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yeah | Jul 18 19:13 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I think RMS just says, it's free software, so OK | Jul 18 19:14 |
| schestowitz | he pioneered the 4 freedom thing, he's not into preaching about modularity, design patterns etc. | Jul 18 19:14 |
| MinceR | the problem is, some of its principles are diametrically opposed to free software | Jul 18 19:14 |
| schestowitz | or even microkernels, he gave up on this fight | Jul 18 19:14 |
| schestowitz | systemd? | Jul 18 19:14 |
| schestowitz | How so? | Jul 18 19:14 |
| MinceR | systemd is deliberately designed to make it difficult for independent users/developers to change or replace | Jul 18 19:14 |
| schestowitz | they adhere to the 4 freedoms | Jul 18 19:14 |
| MinceR | no they don't | Jul 18 19:15 |
| schestowitz | same thing he said about mono and gnu dotnet | Jul 18 19:15 |
| MinceR | they make a lame charade of adhering to the 4 freedoms | Jul 18 19:15 |
| schestowitz | mono is another issue because of patents | Jul 18 19:15 |
| MinceR | while using microsoft-like tactics against competitors | Jul 18 19:15 |
| schestowitz | and Microsoft as the one with leverage, with bad history | Jul 18 19:15 |
| gde33 | cant you fork it and remove or limit those limitations? | Jul 18 19:15 |
| schestowitz | red hat isn't historically evil | Jul 18 19:15 |
| MinceR | redcrap has too much leverage | Jul 18 19:15 |
| MinceR | and they've shown their true colors | Jul 18 19:15 |
| schestowitz | "but hey, it's free software" -LP | Jul 18 19:15 |
| schestowitz | or something like that | Jul 18 19:15 |
| schestowitz | I think it's similar to what some mono boosters said | Jul 18 19:16 |
| gde33 | stallman sounds like controlled opposition with his free blah | Jul 18 19:16 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they aren't alone, hardware partners like intel have a lot of power too | Jul 18 19:16 |
| schestowitz | since OSDL days | Jul 18 19:16 |
| schestowitz | but Intel devs now work on systemd | Jul 18 19:16 |
| MinceR | "and its FREE!" -LP | Jul 18 19:16 |
| schestowitz | I think as #2 contributor | Jul 18 19:16 |
| MinceR | shows he doesn't care about freedom, only money (and power) | Jul 18 19:16 |
| schestowitz | phoronix recently surveyed participants by scanning the mailing list logs | Jul 18 19:17 |
| schestowitz | LP is not evil | Jul 18 19:17 |
| schestowitz | he just makes crap | Jul 18 19:17 |
| schestowitz | like PA | Jul 18 19:17 |
| MinceR | moronix loves everything that takes away our freedom | Jul 18 19:17 |
| schestowitz | I think it's sort of not total crap anymore | Jul 18 19:17 |
| MinceR | they love mono, systemd | Jul 18 19:17 |
| MinceR | they love attacking gnu/linux | Jul 18 19:17 |
| schestowitz | but it caused much damage back in the days | Jul 18 19:17 |
| MinceR | LP is evil and immature | Jul 18 19:17 |
| schestowitz | I used to have to reboot because of that crap of his | Jul 18 19:17 |
| MinceR | http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html | Jul 18 19:18 |
| schestowitz | and the PA people blamed Canonical packaging | Jul 18 19:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.freedesktop.org | [systemd-devel] [PATCH] Drop the udev firmware loader [ http://ur1.ca/ir0kd ] | Jul 18 19:18 | |
| schestowitz | I had the same issues with PA in Mandrive | Jul 18 19:18 |
| schestowitz | *rriva | Jul 18 19:18 |
| gde33 | until the whole pc is open source the disease will just spread | Jul 18 19:18 |
| gde33 | it should probably even be manufactured by a government | Jul 18 19:18 |
| MinceR | it shouldn't | Jul 18 19:18 |
| cubexyz | the funny thing is, some folks are still fixing PDP-11s and running ancient Unix | Jul 18 19:18 |
| MinceR | governments are very corruptible and are already corrupted | Jul 18 19:18 |
| gde33 | anything else will have the disease of comerce all over it | Jul 18 19:18 |
| schestowitz | systemd doesn't bother me at the moment as much as patents, proprietary software, etc. | Jul 18 19:19 |
| MinceR | antitrust laws aren't enforced against m$ or crApple in the USA or in the EU | Jul 18 19:19 |
| cubexyz | nothing really dies if it has a community to support it | Jul 18 19:19 |
| schestowitz | devuan will hopefully gain enough following | Jul 18 19:19 |
| schestowitz | like trinity desktop | Jul 18 19:19 |
| cubexyz | exactly | Jul 18 19:19 |
| gde33 | MinceR: that is a backwards looking vision, it is good to consider history but it cant be an excuse to stop the future | Jul 18 19:19 |
| MinceR | governments will do nothing if m$ and crApple lock users into their platforms using uefi | Jul 18 19:19 |
| schestowitz | they try... | Jul 18 19:19 |
| cubexyz | even IRC is a community of a sort | Jul 18 19:19 |
| MinceR | they might even make general purpose computers illegal under some excuse like turrism, child porn and malware | Jul 18 19:19 |
| gde33 | thats just it, they will try that | Jul 18 19:20 |
| schestowitz | maybe not for everyone | Jul 18 19:20 |
| MinceR | or piracy (DRM circumvention) | Jul 18 19:20 |
| gde33 | but it cant work | Jul 18 19:20 |
| MinceR | gde33: they won't do anything that's good for the people | Jul 18 19:20 |
| schestowitz | they just need to say you must follow rules for business, gov. etc. | Jul 18 19:20 |
| schestowitz | and for your home PC you might be exempted | Jul 18 19:20 |
| gde33 | you cant convince programmers to abandon the open source philosophy just like that | Jul 18 19:20 |
| gde33 | not after it happens | Jul 18 19:20 |
| schestowitz | germany sort of bans UEFI on gov. PCs, as I understand it.. | Jul 18 19:20 |
| MinceR | the fascists have put m$ in the place of the eternal monopoly and crApple into the token competition | Jul 18 19:21 |
| gde33 | I'm not kidding when I say that closed source should be illegal | Jul 18 19:21 |
| MinceR | they'll point to crApple and claim there's competition | Jul 18 19:21 |
| MinceR | and they won't let you run anything other than winblows and macos | Jul 18 19:21 |
| schestowitz | gde33: like other things | Jul 18 19:21 |
| gde33 | it should not be allowed to have black boxes that do something unexplained | Jul 18 19:21 |
| schestowitz | such as steroids in cycling | Jul 18 19:21 |
| cubexyz | you get a taste of open source you'll not want to go back to closed source | Jul 18 19:21 |
| schestowitz | why is armstrong not in prison? | Jul 18 19:21 |
| schestowitz | For embezzling millions by cheating? | Jul 18 19:21 |
| gde33 | sports is a nonsense topic | Jul 18 19:21 |
| schestowitz | I was thinking this in the morning.... I bet other people asked similar questions | Jul 18 19:21 |
| MinceR | don armstrong? good question | Jul 18 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Same reasons torturers aren't in prison | Jul 18 19:21 |
| MinceR | he's irrelevant though, debian is dead | Jul 18 19:22 |
| schestowitz | or petraeus | Jul 18 19:22 |
| cubexyz | stretch armstrong was good, at least he didn't cheat :) | Jul 18 19:22 |
| gde33 | this was a good talk http://disinfo.com/2015/07/everything-you-think-you-know-about-addiction-is-wrong/ | Jul 18 19:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-disinfo.com | Everything You Think You Know About Addiction Is Wrong - disinformation [ http://ur1.ca/n5oh8 ] | Jul 18 19:22 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: lars armstrong | Jul 18 19:22 |
| schestowitz | law decided on by the powerful | Jul 18 19:22 |
| schestowitz | proprietary serves those in power | Jul 18 19:22 |
| schestowitz | provided the maker is subservient to them of one of them (e.g. Gates) | Jul 18 19:22 |
| gde33 | MinceR: this was interesting too, essentially what you are refering to https://youtu.be/eA8w--EiH5k | Jul 18 19:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | The Myth Of Benevolent Central Authority - YouTube | Jul 18 19:23 | |
| schestowitz | so who would even initiate an action banning proprietary software? People with pitchforks? | Jul 18 19:23 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: ah, is that doll still around? | Jul 18 19:23 |
| gde33 | schestowitz: oh if it is not you? no one will | Jul 18 19:23 |
| schestowitz | last saw it 20 years ago, almost... | Jul 18 19:23 |
| gde33 | if you are going to errase yourself from the equation it cant happen | Jul 18 19:23 |
| cubexyz | haha, maybe on ebay if kids haven't destroyed them all | Jul 18 19:23 |
| schestowitz | what a dumb toy | Jul 18 19:24 |
| gde33 | I wonder who is going to clean my kitchen | Jul 18 19:24 |
| schestowitz | not as bad as Oreo barbie | Jul 18 19:24 |
| schestowitz | or that batman thing with buttplug hole and trigger in the penis | Jul 18 19:24 |
| cubexyz | in 1976 it was big! :) | Jul 18 19:24 |
| schestowitz | or that lion king doll where the monkey rears simba | Jul 18 19:24 |
| MinceR | and when the lendows fanboys realize their beloved platform is too insecure and unreliable, just like their beloved windows was | Jul 18 19:24 |
| MinceR | and move to a remaining free unix | Jul 18 19:25 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: 1976? | Jul 18 19:25 |
| MinceR | i'll say "i told you so" | Jul 18 19:25 |
| schestowitz | I saw one in 1996 or thereabouts | Jul 18 19:25 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, yes, I remember lots of kids liked it. | Jul 18 19:25 |
| schestowitz | maybe a different thing, different brand | Jul 18 19:25 |
| MinceR | (provided we'll have a choice about the matter, that is) | Jul 18 19:25 |
| schestowitz | anyway, was angry at Lance Armstrong | Jul 18 19:25 |
| schestowitz | puts sports to shame | Jul 18 19:25 |
| cubexyz | one of my dumb friends stretched it too much and pulled his arm off | Jul 18 19:25 |
| schestowitz | and harms honest people | Jul 18 19:25 |
| schestowitz | in much of the same way proprietary software vendors often do when it comes to procurement | Jul 18 19:26 |
| schestowitz | bribes, threats, etc. | Jul 18 19:26 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: what was in it? Sand> | Jul 18 19:26 |
| schestowitz | systemd is not a huge issue IMHO | Jul 18 19:26 |
| schestowitz | an internal rift | Jul 18 19:26 |
| schestowitz | but verges on civil war | Jul 18 19:26 |
| MinceR | i'm more angry at don armstrong | Jul 18 19:27 |
| MinceR | he's a fascist asshole | Jul 18 19:27 |
| schestowitz | so maybe better lessened in public | Jul 18 19:27 |
| schestowitz | who's he? | Jul 18 19:27 |
| schestowitz | !google don armstrong | Jul 18 19:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Don Armstrong Media | http://donarmstrongmedia.com/ | Jul 18 19:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Don H. Armstrong - Ballotpedia | http://ballotpedia.org/Don_H._Armstrong | Jul 18 19:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Don W. Armstrong CPA - Offers Professional Solutions for Tax ... | http://www.donarmstrongcpa.com/ | Jul 18 19:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Don Armstrong | http://www.donarmstrong.com/ | Jul 18 19:27 |
| schestowitz | common name, I guess. Neil Armstrong probably most famous among the Armstrongs | Jul 18 19:28 |
| schestowitz | for anti-Soviet propaganda | Jul 18 19:28 |
| MinceR | main censor of the debian mailing lists | Jul 18 19:28 |
| MinceR | bans dissenters | Jul 18 19:28 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, evidently Stretch Armstrong was filled with gelled corn syrup | Jul 18 19:29 |
| cubexyz | they stopped making them in 1980 | Jul 18 19:30 |
| cubexyz | pretty clever actually | Jul 18 19:32 |
| cubexyz | boiled corn syrup with some moisture removed forms a gel with memory properties | Jul 18 19:32 |
| schestowitz | reuse of waste | Jul 18 19:40 |
| schestowitz | wasted on children | Jul 18 19:41 |
| cubexyz | well not to be too zen about it... materialism doesn't lead to happiness | Jul 18 19:56 |
| cubexyz | I can't wait until Iphone 7 comes out... hahahaha | Jul 18 19:56 |
| cubexyz | sign up now and you can get 10 cassettes for 1 cent | Jul 18 19:58 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6354393 | Jul 18 19:59 |
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| schestowitz | "At least it’s GNU/Linux, maybe it isn’t 100% free as in freedom but, it’s a good beginning." | Jul 18 19:59 |
| schestowitz | "Hope they use gnewsense or something, but there aren’t many people contributing to true free OS | Jul 18 19:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 18 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Many components of a free OS are maintained by many | Jul 18 20:00 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6358956 | Jul 18 20:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #uk is not a safe place, neither for journalists nor for sources. We're rapidly becoming no better than #singapore or even #china | Jul 18 20:02 | |
| schestowitz | "At least the UK is wealthier than China." | Jul 18 20:02 |
| schestowitz | smaller population | Jul 18 20:02 |
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| __martin__ | corrupt gov't IT in slovakia // next round | Jul 18 20:37 |
| __martin__ | http://dsl.sk/article.php?article=17244 | Jul 18 20:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dsl.sk | DSL.sk - tt dva za licencie Microsoftu alch 55.8 milinov eur | Jul 18 20:37 | |
| __martin__ | http://www.soit.sk/sk/clanok/248-spolocna-vyzva-sisp-a-soit-v-suvislosti-s-podpisom-zmluvy-o-dodavke-softveru-v-ramci-zmluvy-microsoft-enterprise-agreement | Jul 18 20:37 |
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| __martin__ | thinking of leaving europe behind and moving to asia | Jul 18 20:38 |
| __martin__ | (will take 2 to 3 years to take off) | Jul 18 20:38 |
| __martin__ | [footnote by myself: the biggest gov't owned company being here the national forests company.. they have such an idiocratic vendor lock-in or erp/crm etc. that i was lethally disgusted @ while having a sneak peek into their intranet components by an employee] | Jul 18 20:41 |
| __martin__ | on* | Jul 18 20:41 |
| MinceR | http://img.linuxfr.org/img/68747470733a2f2f6861636b2d6c696272652e6f72672f66696c65732f6c697672655f7072c3a966c3a972c3a95f6c656e6e6172742d35303070782e6a7067/livre_pr%C3%A9f%C3%A9r%C3%A9_lennart-500px.jpg | Jul 18 20:41 |
| __martin__ | yay mince | Jul 18 20:41 |
| MinceR | http://fullchan4jtta4sx.onion.city/tech/src/1436763000218.jpg | Jul 18 20:41 |
| __martin__ | lennartd liblennatd | Jul 18 20:41 |
| __martin__ | :_D | Jul 18 20:41 |
| __martin__ | r*/0* | Jul 18 20:42 |
| MinceR | systemd-lennartd | Jul 18 20:42 |
| __martin__ | MinceR: right now crunching through [DNG] "Bad" future is coming && Linus answers a question about systemd threads | Jul 18 20:43 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 18 20:44 |
| MinceR | http://troubleshooters.com/linux/diy/images/hidty.png | Jul 18 20:45 |
| cubexyz | lol | Jul 18 20:47 |
| MinceR | __martin__: where is that thread? dyne's search engine can't find it | Jul 18 20:53 |
| __martin__ | {also a nice flame regards vi$ta10 eula in my country http://www.zive.sk/diskusia/320513/windows-10-povinne-aktualizacie-chrani-licencia | note that the actual portal serves m$ PR in same manners as fartstechnica UK} | Jul 18 20:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zive.sk | Živé.sk | Najnovšie správy o počítačoch, IT a internete [ http://ur1.ca/n5pa8 ] | Jul 18 20:53 | |
| MinceR | what changed in the eula? | Jul 18 20:54 |
| __martin__ | same 'ol shit | Jul 18 20:54 |
| __martin__ | MinceR: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20150701.182146.2604336c.en.html | Jul 18 20:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.dyne.org | [DNG] Linus answers a question about systemd [ http://ur1.ca/n5pao ] | Jul 18 20:55 | |
| __martin__ | as for the "bad" future coming.. you are right, search shows up nothing | Jul 18 20:55 |
| MinceR | thx | Jul 18 20:55 |
| __martin__ | here you go | Jul 18 20:59 |
| __martin__ | https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20150703.113507.8be9f65c.en.html | Jul 18 20:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.dyne.org | [DNG] "Bad" future is coming [ http://ur1.ca/n5pca ] | Jul 18 20:59 | |
| MinceR | thx | Jul 18 21:00 |
| cubexyz | just thinking it would be nice to be able to hit delete on the mouse | Jul 18 21:04 |
| MinceR | http://www.micwil.com/images/gallery/ortek_mobile_2_in_1_mouse_keypad_p2_1000x1000.jpg | Jul 18 21:08 |
| MinceR | like this? :> | Jul 18 21:08 |
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| cubexyz | interesting | Jul 18 21:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 11 Service Pack 4 Adds Support for IBM POWER8 | Tux Machines | Jul 18 21:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-6 to Bring Telegram App | Jul 18 21:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Improvements, New Thumbnailer | Jul 18 21:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/vrKHeWAl3F (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 21:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch OTA-6 to Bring Telegram App Improvements, New Thumbnailer | Tux Machines | Jul 18 21:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Leftovers http://t.co/dzPIMkE0ur | Jul 18 21:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 21:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 18 21:27 | |
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| cubexyz | I thought win7 was kind of crashy too | Jul 18 21:55 |
| cubexyz | it's just the same old stuff | Jul 18 21:55 |
| MinceR | it's the same old stuff with a different skin, an even more horribly set up UAC and it also breaks sshd | Jul 18 21:56 |
| cubexyz | so DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_THAN_OR_EQUAL_TO etc | Jul 18 21:56 |
| cubexyz | I've never seen the vesa driver in openbsd crash | Jul 18 21:57 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 18 21:57 |
| cubexyz | but windows, it's just "oh well it crashed again" | Jul 18 21:57 |
| cubexyz | then you do all the stuff Microsoft tells you, and it doesn't fix the problem | Jul 18 21:58 |
| cubexyz | "exchange your video card" | Jul 18 21:58 |
| cubexyz | "update your BIOS" | Jul 18 21:58 |
| MinceR | reboot, reboot and then reboot some more | Jul 18 22:00 |
| MinceR | reinstall | Jul 18 22:00 |
| MinceR | (it's also redcrap's answer to everything) | Jul 18 22:00 |
| cubexyz | redhat used to be good | Jul 18 22:02 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-5 to Land on BQ Aquaris | Jul 18 23:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Devices First, Meizu MX4 Users Must Wait | Jul 18 23:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tokvbok http://t.co/GaQpOQ70Ye (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 23:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n5qcg | Jul 18 23:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch OTA-5 to Land on BQ Aquaris Devices First, Meizu MX4 Users Must Wait | Tux Machines | Jul 18 23:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Linux 4.2 Mainline Kernel From Ubuntu Is | Jul 18 23:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Finally Working Again http://t.co/NqQ0b1vyjR | Jul 18 23:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tokvbok (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 23:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Linux 4.2 Mainline Kernel From Ubuntu Is Finally Working Again | Tux Machines | Jul 18 23:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n5qcj | Jul 18 23:08 |
| cubexyz | ok, starting to grok pic files | Jul 18 23:10 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 18 23:10 |
| cubexyz | old pic I'm still not sure about | Jul 18 23:11 |
| cubexyz | ok | Jul 18 23:13 |
| cubexyz | basically old pic is slightly different from GNU pic | Jul 18 23:13 |
| cubexyz | but I believe I understand the differences well enough to covert old pic to GNU pic | Jul 18 23:13 |
| cubexyz | relative co-ordinate system | Jul 18 23:16 |
| cubexyz | oh well here's my first masterpiece: | Jul 18 23:23 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/simple-pic-to-jpeg.jpg | Jul 18 23:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How to squeeze more battery life from your | Jul 18 23:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux laptop http://t.co/zSHS3nDyiN | Jul 18 23:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 23:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to squeeze more battery life from your Linux laptop | Tux Machines | Jul 18 23:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CloudRouter 2.0 Hits Beta with OpenDaylight | Jul 18 23:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Lithium and Fedora 22 http://t.co/TzfDpa1Ljl | Jul 18 23:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 23:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CloudRouter 2.0 Hits Beta with OpenDaylight Lithium and Fedora 22 | Tux Machines | Jul 18 23:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n5qq3 | Jul 18 23:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Not Just For Desktops: 10 Devices You Can | Jul 18 23:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Install Linux On http://t.co/fTTQrV6jee | Jul 18 23:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 23:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Not Just For Desktops: 10 Devices You Can Install Linux On | Tux Machines | Jul 18 23:48 | |
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| BACKUP | ||
| *Now talking on #techrights | Jul 12 19:03 | |
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| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Jul 12 19:03 | |
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| *Now talking on #techrights | Jul 12 19:15 | |
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| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Jul 12 19:15 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6311356 | Jul 12 19:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Papyros Linux Distro Uses a New Material Design Shell http://news.softpedia.com/news/papyros-linux-distro-uses-a-new-material-design-shell-486460.shtml | Jul 12 19:32 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Papyros Linux Distro Uses a New Material Design Shell - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/n3q2s ] | Jul 12 19:32 | |
| schestowitz | "Maybe the target market is not computer pros" | Jul 12 19:32 |
| MinceR | it almost never is anymore | Jul 12 19:33 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6316903 | Jul 12 19:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Based on the level of international media coverage, Amos Yee definitely succeed in showing that #LeeKuanYew is a naked emperor | Jul 12 19:34 | |
| schestowitz | "You are not asking the obvious question - why is this happening now? There's nothing new about Singapore's attitude to liberties." | Jul 12 19:34 |
| schestowitz | It's good that Western media FINALLY decided to cover this, shattering the illusion many still have. | Jul 12 19:34 |
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| cubexyz | "the planet" is fine | Jul 12 20:31 |
| schestowitz | "illegal alien" | Jul 12 20:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.examiner.com/article/chutzpah-obama-administration-blames-gop-for-murder-of-woman-by-illegal-alien | Jul 12 20:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.examiner.com | Chutzpah: Obama administration blames GOP for murder of woman by illegal alien - National Law Enforcement | Examiner.com [ http://ur1.ca/n3s2m ] | Jul 12 20:32 | |
| cubexyz | it's the management of resources which is bad | Jul 12 20:32 |
| schestowitz | "Do you believe in aliens?" | Jul 12 20:32 |
| schestowitz | "yes, I watched FOX" | Jul 12 20:32 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/DUC6tNh.jpg | Jul 12 20:33 |
| MinceR | or perhaps http://cdn.meme.am/instances/51056007.jpg | Jul 12 20:34 |
| cubexyz | I'm not saying it's Aliens... :) | Jul 12 20:34 |
| MinceR | http://www.troll.me/images/aliens-guy/im-not-saying-that-it-was-aliens-but-it-was-aliens.jpg | Jul 12 20:36 |
| cubexyz | had to use windows today... ugh | Jul 12 20:37 |
| cubexyz | most of the time I can avoid it | Jul 12 20:38 |
| cubexyz | had one customer ask me about upgrading to windows 10 | Jul 12 20:39 |
| cubexyz | on a happier note most of the work today was done via the customer's linux computer | Jul 12 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MxsQueen/status/620313838668394496 https://twitter.com/MxsQueen/status/620314012106907648 https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/620314990118051840 | Jul 12 20:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MxsQueen: @schestowitz seemed to whom? The uk has been through well established prolonged threats. 7/7 wasn't one. | Jul 12 20:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MxsQueen: @schestowitz what about the numerous victims of fascists attempting race war? | Jul 12 20:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz @PressHerald we should have seen this coming 230 years ago with #manifest #Destiny. Such #hubris about being #exceptional | Jul 12 20:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/nanayasleeps/status/620317449586655232 | Jul 12 20:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nanayasleeps: @MxsQueen @schestowitz remember white nationalists don't count | Jul 12 20:53 | |
| schestowitz | If our government announced Web censorship, mass surveillance etc. to fight racism, they would high uphill battle | Jul 12 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620328141500907520 | Jul 12 21:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: Nobrainer. Therefore we can only assume this has always been THE intention. https://t.co/K19TiU7Qkw | Jul 12 21:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Killing civilians to vanquish Isis will only make besieged people hate us http://t.co/73DNys5WkW #drones | Jul 12 21:38 | |
| schestowitz | Or desirable side effect for the "deliverables" | Jul 12 21:38 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LaKademy 2015 https://t.co/KZ4V45qsmJ | Jul 12 21:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (dot.kde.org) | Jul 12 21:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3sqy | Jul 12 21:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dot.kde.org | LaKademy 2015 | KDE.news | Jul 12 21:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Rare breed: Linux Mint 17.2 offers desktop | Jul 12 21:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | familiarity and responds to user wants | Jul 12 21:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/wD0qY1ndnw (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 12 21:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3sqz | Jul 12 21:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Rare breed: Linux Mint 17.2 offers desktop familiarity and responds to user wants | Tux Machines | Jul 12 21:53 | |
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| MinceR | so they don't know winblows 10 yet | Jul 12 22:22 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/620335967908536321 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/620336528351449088 | Jul 12 22:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Rare breed: #LinuxMint 17.2 offers desktop familiarity and responds to user wants http://t.co/bVjeKkCvjK #gnu #linux | Jul 12 22:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Bugzilla 5.0 Released, Their Most Exciting New Version In History http://t.co/1NZujtIiDg | Jul 12 22:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.phoronix.com | Bugzilla 5.0 Released, Their Most Exciting New Version In History - Phoronix | Jul 12 22:36 | |
| r_schestowitz | MinceR: it's the MS booster | Jul 12 22:36 |
| r_schestowitz | Julie Bort | Jul 12 22:36 |
| r_schestowitz | irrelevant question from her | Jul 12 22:36 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A Week With GNOME As My Linux Desktop: What | Jul 12 23:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | They Get Right & Wrong http://t.co/Z5J5opdMfQ | Jul 12 23:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Jul 12 23:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | A Week With GNOME As My Linux Desktop: What They Get Right & Wrong (Editorial) - Phoronix | Jul 12 23:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3tem | Jul 12 23:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A Week With GNOME As My Linux Desktop: What | Jul 12 23:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | They Get Right & Wrong http://t.co/mn0NBa3gIX | Jul 12 23:10 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3ten | Jul 12 23:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A Week With GNOME As My Linux Desktop: What They Get Right & Wrong | Tux Machines | Jul 12 23:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Two teen programmers talk about why they love | Jul 12 23:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux, love Google and don't hate Windows 10 | Jul 12 23:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/EQTx1eJgwX (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 12 23:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3teq | Jul 12 23:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Two teen programmers talk about why they love Linux, love Google and don't hate Windows 10 | Tux Machines | Jul 12 23:10 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS Gets a Second Update with | Jul 13 01:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ARM, UFS, and IPv4 Improvements | Jul 13 01:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/DalhdQWfbq (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 01:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS Gets a Second Update with ARM, UFS, and IPv4 Improvements | Tux Machines | Jul 13 01:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Zorin OS 10 Will be the Most Beautiful Release | Jul 13 01:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Yet, Based on Ubuntu 15.04 | Jul 13 01:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/WZ6HLxh94f (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 01:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Zorin OS 10 Will be the Most Beautiful Release Yet, Based on Ubuntu 15.04 | Tux Machines | Jul 13 01:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Wine Staging:Release 1.7.47 | Jul 13 01:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/RCBxaYMW7R (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 01:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine Staging:Release 1.7.47 | Tux Machines | Jul 13 01:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Kodi 15.0 Release Candidate 2 "Isengard" Brings | Jul 13 01:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Multiple Fixes, Download Now | Jul 13 01:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/NnWxYxarnA (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 01:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kodi 15.0 Release Candidate 2 "Isengard" Brings Multiple Fixes, Download Now | Tux Machines | Jul 13 01:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Is Moving to GCC 5 | Jul 13 01:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/2lZfDTclEv (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 01:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3uur | Jul 13 01:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Is Moving to GCC 5 | Tux Machines | Jul 13 01:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux 4.2-rc2 http://t.co/pDy4bhnTc4 | Jul 13 01:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 01:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 4.2-rc2 | Tux Machines | Jul 13 01:44 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Numerous NSS Vulnerabilities Closed in All | Jul 13 04:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu OSes http://t.co/ZB0abnH3Lk | Jul 13 04:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Numerous NSS Vulnerabilities Closed in All Ubuntu OSes | Tux Machines | Jul 13 04:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Is Moving to GCC 5 | Jul 13 04:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by http://t.co/2lZfDTclEv (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 04:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tokvbok | Jul 13 04:40 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New version of #sparkylinux has just been | Jul 13 11:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | released http://t.co/UUlPSa7tCj | Jul 13 11:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (sparkylinux.org) | Jul 13 11:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sparkylinux.org | Home | SparkyLinux | Jul 13 11:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS Gets a Second Update with | Jul 13 11:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ARM, UFS, and IPv4 Improvements | Jul 13 11:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS Gets a Second Update with ARM, UFS, and IPv4 Improvements - Softpedia | Jul 13 11:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Zorin OS 10 Will be the Most Beautiful Release | Jul 13 11:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Yet, Based on Ubuntu 15.04 | Jul 13 11:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/ChyV1H8rua (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 11:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Zorin OS 10 Will Be the Most Beautiful Release Yet, Based on Ubuntu 15.04 - Softpedia | Jul 13 11:28 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux 4.2-rc2 http://t.co/qddkuOzxrO | Jul 13 11:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (lkml.iu.edu) | Jul 13 11:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.iu.edu | Linux-Kernel Archive: Linux 4.2-rc2 | Jul 13 11:32 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Numerous NSS Vulnerabilities Closed in All | Jul 13 11:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu OSes http://t.co/jLjgiZuXev | Jul 13 11:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Numerous NSS Vulnerabilities Closed in All Ubuntu OSes - Softpedia | Jul 13 11:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linux.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 11:32 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Is Moving to GCC 5 | Jul 13 11:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/gB2uvAHRNC (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 11:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Is Moving to GCC 5 - Softpedia | Jul 13 11:33 | |
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| schestowitz | "he’s not staff, and the link is 404" | Jul 13 12:03 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6337716 | Jul 13 12:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #mozilla staff on proprietary Pocket: the feature nobody wanted http://benjaminkerensa.com/2015/07/12/pocket-the-feature-nobody-wanted it's good to see understanding that it was a dumb move | Jul 13 12:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://benjaminkerensa.com/2015/07/12/pocket-the-feature-nobody-wanted ) | Jul 13 12:03 | |
| schestowitz | he deleted it | Jul 13 12:03 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6335917 | Jul 13 12:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Has it been made consensus by now (outside the tech world) that #microsoft violates #privacy intentionally? techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA | Jul 13 12:04 | |
| schestowitz | Yet there are diasporians promoting MS marketing crap like this: | Jul 13 12:04 |
| schestowitz | http://mblng.tumblr.com/post/123873121297/how-microsoft-is-protecting-customer-data-in-the | Jul 13 12:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mblng.tumblr.com | How Microsoft is Protecting Customer Data in the... - Mblng [ http://ur1.ca/n3zw6 ] | Jul 13 12:04 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 13 12:04 |
| schestowitz | Yet there are diasporians promoting MS marketing crap like this: | Jul 13 12:04 |
| schestowitz | http://mblng.tumblr.com/post/123873121297/how-microsoft-is-protecting-customer-data-in-the | Jul 13 12:04 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 13 12:04 |
| schestowitz | Not sure whether to laugh or sign | Jul 13 12:04 |
| schestowitz | sigh | Jul 13 12:04 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6310093 | Jul 13 12:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The eternal rumor: Will Microsoft dump Windows Mobile and go for Android? http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/209341-the-eternal-rumor-will-microsoft-dump-windows-mobile-and-go-for-android add "patent extortion" to end, then true | Jul 13 12:07 | |
| schestowitz | "microsoft should dump whole microsoft" | Jul 13 12:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.extremetech.com | The eternal rumor: Will Microsoft dump Windows Mobile and go for Android? | ExtremeTech [ http://ur1.ca/n3zx8 ] | Jul 13 12:07 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/620550146288414721 | Jul 13 12:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz nasty! https://t.co/kW7WBiNI1u | Jul 13 12:13 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rik_ferguson: #HackingTeam has code for UEFI module for BIOS persistency of RCS 9 agent (i.e. survives even HD replace) PPT here: https://t.co/N6zJMB0PML | Jul 13 12:13 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6305542 | Jul 13 12:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The company I work for does manage to make income from #freesw development and maintenance and it's far from the only one in Europe | Jul 13 12:18 | |
| schestowitz | "how does it generate income? support?" | Jul 13 12:18 |
| schestowitz | and custom development | Jul 13 12:18 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.14.48 LTS Adds ARM, ARM64, x86, | Jul 13 12:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and IPv4 Optimizations http://t.co/9zocqEb5b8 | Jul 13 12:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 12:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 3.14.48 LTS Adds ARM, ARM64, x86, and IPv4 Optimizations - Softpedia | Jul 13 12:35 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AMD Has Been Finishing Up EGL 1.5 Support In | Jul 13 12:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mesa http://t.co/uIuHpZdgsc (www.phoronix.com) | Jul 13 12:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Marek At AMD Has Been Finishing Up EGL 1.5 Support In Mesa - Phoronix | Jul 13 12:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google and BlackBerry team up for a secure | Jul 13 12:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | enterprise Android http://t.co/Skhs1GY4NJ | Jul 13 12:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.engadget.com) | Jul 13 12:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com | Google and BlackBerry team up for a secure enterprise Android | Jul 13 12:35 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Top 6 Free iOS, Android Games Released in June | Jul 13 12:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 2015 http://t.co/6W09NO5i60 (www.ibtimes.co.in) | Jul 13 12:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.co.in | Top 6 Free iOS, Android Games Released in June 2015 | Jul 13 12:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Genymobile Grabs $7.7 Million To Become The Red | Jul 13 12:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Hat Of Android http://t.co/B5vIfgmwHk | Jul 13 12:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com | Genymobile Grabs $7.7 Million To Become The Red Hat Of Android | TechCrunch | Jul 13 12:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (techcrunch.com) | Jul 13 12:41 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.10.84 LTS Arrives with x86, ARM, | Jul 13 12:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and Networking Fixes http://t.co/1QeUsPG6Ne | Jul 13 12:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel 3.10.84 LTS Arrives with x86, ARM, and Networking Fixes | Tux Machines | Jul 13 12:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A developer replete with Drupal vim and vigor | Jul 13 12:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/wxMQkF6R0t (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 12:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A developer replete with Drupal vim and vigor | Tux Machines | Jul 13 12:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google and BlackBerry team up for a secure | Jul 13 12:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | enterprise Android http://t.co/cM0sSpty9t | Jul 13 12:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 12:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google and BlackBerry team up for a secure enterprise Android | Tux Machines | Jul 13 12:42 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Genymobile Grabs $7.7 Million To Become The Red | Jul 13 12:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Hat Of Android http://t.co/i05vAbUvQP | Jul 13 12:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 12:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Genymobile Grabs $7.7 Million To Become The Red Hat Of Android | Tux Machines | Jul 13 12:42 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Download Mozilla Thunderbird 38.1 for Linux, | Jul 13 12:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mac OS X, and Windows http://t.co/zDUNao2ris | Jul 13 12:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 12:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Download Mozilla Thunderbird 38.1 for Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows | Tux Machines | Jul 13 12:51 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google Releases A Second Build Of Android M | Jul 13 12:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Just For Developers http://t.co/rx1VYf1YHz | Jul 13 12:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com | Google Releases A Second Build Of Android M Just For Developers | TechCrunch | Jul 13 12:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (techcrunch.com) | Jul 13 12:51 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Everything new in the Android M Preview 2 | Jul 13 12:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/7VuaHbx6b4 (arstechnica.com) | Jul 13 12:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Everything new in the Android M Preview 2 | Ars Technica | Jul 13 12:52 | |
| MinceR | http://dustri.org/b/firefox-youre-supposed-to-be-in-my-pocket-not-the-other-way-around.html | Jul 13 12:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dustri.org | Artificial truth · Firefox, you're supposed to be in my pocket, not the other way around. [ http://ur1.ca/n40bl ] | Jul 13 12:55 | |
| MinceR | time for a fork, perhaps | Jul 13 12:59 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Sony's Android-powered Smart TV range lands in | Jul 13 13:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Australia http://t.co/CTl3nwv3sz (www.cnet.com) | Jul 13 13:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnet.com | Sony's Android-powered Smart TV range lands in Australia - CNET | Jul 13 13:11 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Galaxy S6 user switches to the iPhone 6, runs | Jul 13 13:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | back to Android after two weeks | Jul 13 13:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/DSG3RKfLMr (bgr.com) | Jul 13 13:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com | iPhone 6 vs. Galaxy S6: Android user switches back after two weeks | BGR | Jul 13 13:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google's Next Android Feature Could Give it a | Jul 13 13:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Big Advantage Over Apple's iPhone | Jul 13 13:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/tuXeeAWPcn (www.fool.com) | Jul 13 13:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fool.com | Google's Next Android Feature Could Give it a Big Advantage Over Apple's iPhone -- The Motley Fool | Jul 13 13:11 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android M release date: latest news and rumours | Jul 13 14:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/SiQ11FJ7WX (www.telegraph.co.uk) | Jul 13 14:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.telegraph.co.uk | Android M release date: latest news and rumours - Telegraph | Jul 13 14:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android has come a long way since Google bought | Jul 13 14:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | it 10 years ago today http://t.co/PTRd6OaTLe | Jul 13 14:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (venturebeat.com) "quietly building software | Jul 13 14:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-venturebeat.com | Android has come a long way since Google bought it 10 years ago today | VentureBeat | Mobile | by Jordan Novet | Jul 13 14:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | for cell phones." | Jul 13 14:10 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Wear to soon support interactive watch | Jul 13 14:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | faces http://t.co/1jD4qlCslU | Jul 13 14:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.slashgear.com | Android Wear to soon support interactive watch faces - SlashGear | Jul 13 14:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.slashgear.com) | Jul 13 14:10 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Cossacks 3 RTS Has Two New Teasers, Will Be On | Jul 13 14:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux https://t.co/zNA7b2C8Xl | Jul 13 14:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Jul 13 14:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Cossacks 3 RTS Has Two New Teasers, Will Be On Linux | GamingOnLinux | Jul 13 14:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Cramer: "Redhat is really the best there is," | Jul 13 14:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | he said. "Everyone uses Redhat." | Jul 13 14:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/AuEVmIZBkn (www.thestreet.com) | Jul 13 14:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thestreet.com | Cramer -- Don't Dump Redhat (RHT) Over NYSE Glitch; Do Bet on Comcast (CMCSA) - TheStreet | Jul 13 14:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Top 30 Apps from the Tizen Store for first half | Jul 13 14:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 2015 http://t.co/alhP6Edwxl | Jul 13 14:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tizenexperts.com) | Jul 13 14:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Top 30 Apps from the Tizen Store for first half 2015Tizen Experts | Jul 13 14:44 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Point Linux 3.0 Replaces GNOME 3 Classic with | Jul 13 14:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Xfce, Based on Debian 8 Jessie | Jul 13 14:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/XwQv3GwN3O (linux.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 14:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Point Linux 3.0 Replaces GNOME 3 Classic with Xfce, Based on Debian 8 Jessie - Softpedia | Jul 13 14:55 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu's Unity 8, Mir, and LXC for Xapps | Jul 13 14:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Received Major Improvements | Jul 13 14:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/XwQv3GwN3O (linux.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 14:55 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 4.0 to Reach End of Life Soon, | Jul 13 14:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Users Urged to Move to Linux Kernel 4.1 | Jul 13 14:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/mWQKrTsKP9 (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 14:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 4.0 to Reach End of Life Soon, Users Urged to Move to Linux Kernel 4.1 - Softpedia | Jul 13 14:56 | |
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| Sosumi | and I just can't believe it that Tsipras capitulated | Jul 13 15:31 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus OS Gets Linux Kernel 4.1.2 LTS, Firefox | Jul 13 15:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 39, and Much More http://t.co/mWQKrTsKP9 | Jul 13 15:57 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 13/7/2015: Linux 4.2 and Kodi 15.0 | Jul 13 15:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Release Candidate 2 http://t.co/XeD7hoCykI | Jul 13 15:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (techrights.org) | Jul 13 15:57 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat News http://t.co/NyHNSMylp0 | Jul 13 15:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 15:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 13/7/2015: Linux 4.2 and Kodi 15.0 Release Candidate 2 | Techrights | Jul 13 15:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat News | Tux Machines | Jul 13 15:58 | |
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| *Now talking on #techrights | Jul 13 20:19 | |
| *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell | Jul 13 20:19 | |
| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Jul 13 20:19 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/620651797963763713 | Jul 13 20:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Feds can read every email you opened last year without a warrant @ruskin147 @schestowitz http://t.co/x26S4jfNq5 | Jul 13 20:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com | Feds can read every email you opened last year without a warrant | ZDNet | Jul 13 20:23 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/620667298274111488 | Jul 13 20:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Government-sponsored cyberattack company likely hacked by another country, it claims @ruskin147 @schestowitz http://t.co/a7UTGXs57Y | Jul 13 20:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.independent.co.uk | Hacking Team: government-sponsored cyberattack company likely hacked by another country, it claims - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent | Jul 13 20:29 | |
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| MinceR | m$ code quality in Linux: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/drivers/net/hyperv/netvsc_drv.c?id=3a494e710367c0a233d86bcde9853781859fc008#n784 | Jul 13 21:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.kernel.org | kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - Linux kernel source tree [ http://ur1.ca/n45bs ] | Jul 13 21:02 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qapsl0ck/status/620685435484917761 | Jul 13 21:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qapsl0ck: @schestowitz Jabber combines fine with PGP :) | Jul 13 21:06 | |
| r_schestowitz | can be self-hosted with encryption too | Jul 13 21:06 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qapsl0ck/status/620686024759476224 | Jul 13 21:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qapsl0ck: @schestowitz yups, here is raspberry doing that ;) | Jul 13 21:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Kernel 4.0 Will Reach EOL Next Week, Kernel | Jul 13 21:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 4.0.9 Being The Latest Update From The Series | Jul 13 21:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/aBJS2xAW5n (linuxg.net) | Jul 13 21:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net | Kernel 4.0 Will Reach EOL Next Week, Kernel 4.0.9 Being The Latest Update From The Series | LinuxG.net | Jul 13 21:14 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Makes Strides in Enterprise Embedded | Jul 13 21:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Market http://t.co/DgVqdvHNnD (www.linux.com) | Jul 13 21:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com | Android Makes Strides in Enterprise Embedded Market | Linux.com | Jul 13 21:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Review: SolydK 201506 http://t.co/3ucsUxUOa2 | Jul 13 21:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Review: SolydK 201506 | Tux Machines | Jul 13 21:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Zorin OS 10 RC Screenshot Tour - A Gorgeous New | Jul 13 21:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Design for a Different OS | Jul 13 21:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/PC07otSZjR (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 21:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n45g1 | Jul 13 21:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Zorin OS 10 RC Screenshot Tour - A Gorgeous New Design for a Different OS | Tux Machines | Jul 13 21:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines FreeBSD 10.2 Beta 1 Now Ready for Download and | Jul 13 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Testing http://t.co/QyI1zRdHz0 | Jul 13 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 21:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FreeBSD 10.2 Beta 1 Now Ready for Download and Testing | Tux Machines | Jul 13 21:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n45mw | Jul 13 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Makes Strides in Enterprise Embedded | Jul 13 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Market http://t.co/9OBxMUeuEp | Jul 13 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 21:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Makes Strides in Enterprise Embedded Market | Tux Machines | Jul 13 21:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n45my | Jul 13 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Zorin OS 10 RC Screenshot Tour - A Gorgeous New | Jul 13 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Design for a Different OS | Jul 13 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/oAfoVvAIUd (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n45n0 | Jul 13 21:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Zorin OS 10 RC Screenshot Tour - A Gorgeous New Design for a Different OS - Softpedia | Jul 13 21:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Trinity Linux System Call Fuzz Tester | Jul 13 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Effectively Suspended http://t.co/jTfUJjQIwR | Jul 13 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Jul 13 21:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Trinity Linux System Call Fuzz Tester Effectively Suspended - Phoronix | Jul 13 21:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n45n1 | Jul 13 21:33 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/620692253997170688 | Jul 13 21:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Sounds a bit daft but...All Instant Messaging Could Be Killed In The UK Within Weeks @ruskin147 @schestowitz http://t.co/Gj8Eas8243 | Jul 13 21:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.forbes.com | All Instant Messaging Could Be Killed In The UK Within Weeks - Forbes | Jul 13 21:34 | |
| r_schestowitz | won't happen, just a shaming tactic | Jul 13 21:34 |
| razielle_tzu | yeah... | Jul 13 21:36 |
| razielle_tzu | second, or is it third(?), crypto war.. 20 years and nothing has changed really | Jul 13 21:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch to Get Enhanced SMS Capabilities | Jul 13 21:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | with Next Update http://t.co/TzyuVWoluv | Jul 13 21:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch to Get Enhanced SMS Capabilities with Next Update - Softpedia | Jul 13 21:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) http://t.co/Ko3noq82xo | Jul 13 21:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linux.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 21:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Two Django Vulnerabilities Fixed in Ubuntu OSes - Softpedia | Jul 13 21:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n45q1 | Jul 13 21:42 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @BuzztalkToday followed @tuxmachines | Jul 13 21:42 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/620698095702175744 | Jul 13 21:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz @ruskin147 Yes. Was thinking something like that... | Jul 13 21:57 | |
| r_schestowitz | Facebook will declare victory at the end, even if it "lost" (by silently complying by adding back doors) | Jul 13 21:57 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Steam for Linux Gets Multiple Updates in Just | Jul 13 22:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Two Weeks http://t.co/aNyku31OSf | Jul 13 22:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Steam for Linux Gets Multiple Updates in Just Two Weeks - Softpedia | Jul 13 22:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 22:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n45y0 | Jul 13 22:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Alien: Isolation Might Arrive on Linux | Jul 13 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/WaM7XB6Dbq (linux.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n45y1 | Jul 13 22:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Alien: Isolation Might Arrive on Linux - Softpedia | Jul 13 22:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Dekko Native IMAP Email Client for Ubuntu Touch | Jul 13 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Shows Desktop Convergence | Jul 13 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/8Mk5YE9ZUO (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 22:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Dekko Native IMAP Email Client for Ubuntu Touch Shows Desktop Convergence - Softpedia | Jul 13 22:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n45y2 | Jul 13 22:04 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Vendetta Online 1.8.344 MMORPG Has Better | Jul 13 22:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Anti-Aliasing Support for Intel GPUs | Jul 13 22:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/TRDBolaC70 (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 22:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Vendetta Online 1.8.344 MMORPG Has Better Anti-Aliasing Support for Intel GPUs - Softpedia | Jul 13 22:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n465g | Jul 13 22:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Trinity Linux System Call Fuzz Tester | Jul 13 22:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Effectively Suspended http://t.co/adRm2JNwzs | Jul 13 22:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 22:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Trinity Linux System Call Fuzz Tester Effectively Suspended | Tux Machines | Jul 13 22:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n465i | Jul 13 22:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Ubuntu http://t.co/YkT3cXBmRM | Jul 13 22:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 22:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Ubuntu | Tux Machines | Jul 13 22:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n465j | Jul 13 22:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Review: SolydK 201506 http://t.co/k9JWrBUJEI | Jul 13 22:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dasublogbyprashanth.blogspot.co.uk | Das U-Blog by Prashanth: Review: SolydK 201506 | Jul 13 22:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (dasublogbyprashanth.blogspot.co.uk) | Jul 13 22:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n465k | Jul 13 22:26 |
| r_schestowitz | > One you might find interesting. | Jul 13 22:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jul 13 22:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/08/exxon-climate-change-1981-climate-denier-funding | Jul 13 22:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Exxon knew of climate change in 1981, email says – but it funded deniers for 27 more years | Environment | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/n2oel ] | Jul 13 22:31 | |
| r_schestowitz | Thanks, I've just shared it in some sites. | Jul 13 22:31 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mangaka Is an Artful Blend of Simplicity and | Jul 14 03:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Style http://t.co/vaetmDd8zy | Jul 14 03:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 03:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n48zz | Jul 14 03:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mangaka Is an Artful Blend of Simplicity and Style | Tux Machines | Jul 14 03:38 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agelatinouscube/status/620733668969938945 | Jul 14 11:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agelatinouscube: @SakuyaRed0 http://t.co/PBMhctFju8 | Jul 14 11:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Richard Stallman and Bruce Perens Defamed by Troll | Techrights | Jul 14 11:09 | |
| schestowitz | Lefty... | Jul 14 11:09 |
| schestowitz | still trolling | Jul 14 11:09 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/620903387920527360 | Jul 14 11:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@readergordonbp: Appalling. https://t.co/vXLCcn4Pek | Jul 14 11:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Teenager handcuffed by #uk #police after giving £1 to a homeless man wins £5,000 pay out for unlawful detention http://t.co/Eij93wOXcA | Jul 14 11:35 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Vecchi_Paolo/status/620904480578514944 | Jul 14 11:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Vecchi_Paolo: @schestowitz Latest example from Microsoft here: https://t.co/t9axFnkzQv with my answer to it here: http://t.co/soMrAkpwlp (in Italian) | Jul 14 11:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.microsoft.com | A Pesaro l’Ufficio a Cielo Aperto: grazie a Microsoft al Comune di Pesaro lo Smart Working è una realtà | Microsoft News Center Italy | Jul 14 11:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.omnis-systems.com | Microsoft: a Pesaro i conti non tornano - Omnis Systems Srl - Distribuzione soluzioni basate su Open Source e Linux | Jul 14 11:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mangaka Is an Artful Blend of Simplicity and | Jul 14 12:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Style http://t.co/O3Qrb6eWYP | Jul 14 12:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxinsider.com | Mangaka Is an Artful Blend of Simplicity and Style | Reviews | LinuxInsider | Jul 14 12:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.linuxinsider.com) | Jul 14 12:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4coz | Jul 14 12:07 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google may add doodle, emoji sharing between | Jul 14 12:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android Wear smartwatches | Jul 14 12:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/o44EFzZe9J (mashable.com) | Jul 14 12:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mashable.com | Google may add doodle, emoji sharing between Android Wear smartwatches | Jul 14 12:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4cyu | Jul 14 12:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Adam Williamson: Fedora 23 call for Test Days | Jul 14 12:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/DhSnouRM9H (www.happyassassin.net) | Jul 14 12:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4cyw | Jul 14 12:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://www.happyassassin.net/2015/07/10/fedora-23-call-for-test-days/ ) | Jul 14 12:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Chakra: KDE Applications 15.04.3 available | Jul 14 12:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/ipeuUFi0W4 (chakraos.org) | Jul 14 12:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4cyx | Jul 14 12:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chakraos.org | KDE Applications 15.04.3 available | Chakra | News | Jul 14 12:41 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6342577 | Jul 14 12:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google Photos keeps collecting your pictures even after you delete the Android apphttp://www.theverge.com/2015/7/14/8956945/google-photos-collecting-pictures-android-after-delete-app yep, I warned about this ages ago | Jul 14 12:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theverge.com | Google Photos keeps collecting your pictures even after you delete the Android app | The Verge [ http://ur1.ca/n4d2t ] | Jul 14 12:52 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/620926173774745600 | Jul 14 13:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: Dislike the bossy ways of their Windows app works. No check if I want to limit folders. Sulks & quits #allornothing https://t.co/ep2qjI6JaQ | Jul 14 13:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Google Photos keeps collecting your pictures even after you delete the Android http://t.co/sIPktLC7da ... https://t.co/hGIvajjFLF | Jul 14 13:03 | |
| r_schestowitz | Why use Windows? | Jul 14 13:03 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/620927209310715905 | Jul 14 13:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz touché! Ah, the woes of a "work" environment, even if I'm co-owner😪. Working on other co-owners to switch to #linux #takestime | Jul 14 13:08 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/osrin/status/620927479126036480 | Jul 14 13:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@osrin: @schestowitz will that worry them? | Jul 14 13:11 | |
| r_schestowitz | it already does, to a degree | Jul 14 13:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines HP 455 G3 Ubuntu laptop - Linux on a budget | Jul 14 13:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/EmpgnFW6Zt (www.techworld.com) | Jul 14 13:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4d93 | Jul 14 13:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techworld.com | HP 455 G3 Ubuntu laptop - Linux on a budget: Budget Laptops Review | Techworld | Jul 14 13:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Diving into Android M: what else is new in | Jul 14 13:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Preview 2? http://t.co/x104lt3FKt | Jul 14 13:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.androidauthority.com) | Jul 14 13:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com | Diving into Android M: what else is new in Preview 2? | Jul 14 13:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4d94 | Jul 14 13:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines HP 455 G3 Ubuntu laptop - Linux on a budget | Jul 14 13:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/0PL4YGaMPH (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 13:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4d95 | Jul 14 13:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | HP 455 G3 Ubuntu laptop - Linux on a budget | Tux Machines | Jul 14 13:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME Foundation AGM 2015 | Jul 14 13:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/a0iuuPVOPQ (permalink.gmane.org) | Jul 14 13:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | "Annual General Meeting...at the Folkets Hus | Jul 14 13:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-permalink.gmane.org | GNOME Foundation AGM 2015 | Jul 14 13:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | [2] in Gothenburg, Sweden." | Jul 14 13:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4dc5 | Jul 14 13:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Albion Online Summer Alpha On Linux! | Jul 14 13:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/FBAHJTdGiO (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Jul 14 13:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4dcd | Jul 14 13:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Albion Online Summer Alpha On Linux! | GamingOnLinux | Jul 14 13:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Steam made easy on fedora | Jul 14 13:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/MsdfhQoWcb (negativo17.org) | Jul 14 13:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4dcj | Jul 14 13:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-negativo17.org | Steam made easy | negativo17 | Jul 14 13:26 | |
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| msb__ | MinceR: Hi! Please tell me what you mean by "ricer"? I thought it was a food grater. | Jul 14 14:28 |
| MinceR | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ricer | Jul 14 14:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.urbandictionary.com | Urban Dictionary: ricer [ http://ur1.ca/n4dw1 ] | Jul 14 14:29 | |
| MinceR | or '5.' under https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ricer | Jul 14 14:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | ricer - Wiktionary | Jul 14 14:30 | |
| msb__ | " <MinceR> of course it's still an attractive target to ricers" | Jul 14 14:30 |
| MinceR | i find their extreme emphasis on making boot allegedly faster at the cost of making it unreliable ludicrous and pointless | Jul 14 14:31 |
| msb__ | Got it -- mods that make the thing worse. Thanks! | Jul 14 14:32 |
| cubexyz | *nix should be modular | Jul 14 14:39 |
| cubexyz | if one doesn't like bash there's ash, csh, ksh etc | Jul 14 14:40 |
| cubexyz | but you should be able to swap one component out and put in it's replacement seamlessly | Jul 14 14:40 |
| cubexyz | I don't think that's the case with systemd | Jul 14 14:41 |
| msb__ | Sure, just swap out systemd and Linux, and put in Windows. | Jul 14 14:42 |
| msb__ | Swap out your brain and put in an overripe cantaloupe. | Jul 14 14:43 |
| cubexyz | honestly I don't think there's many folks who are returning to windows | Jul 14 14:43 |
| cubexyz | I've heard of some going from Linux to Mac OS X | Jul 14 14:44 |
| msb__ | Maybe when Linux turns further to shit they will. | Jul 14 14:44 |
| msb__ | When the whole thing is incorporated into systemd, apps and all. | Jul 14 14:44 |
| msb__ | And it forces you to use a DE that's designed for a 4-inch screen. | Jul 14 14:45 |
| XRevan86 | > And it forces you to use a DE that's designed for a 4-inch screen | Jul 14 14:45 |
| XRevan86 | I don't get it. | Jul 14 14:45 |
| cubexyz | http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#GNU.2FLinux_distributions | Jul 14 14:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-without-systemd.org | Without Systemd [ http://ur1.ca/jrovf ] | Jul 14 14:46 | |
| msb__ | The govt will do a false-flag terror attack using desktop Linux, which will then be made a crime to use. | Jul 14 14:46 |
| cubexyz | not to mention Minix, OpenBSD, Haiku, Plan9 etc etc | Jul 14 14:46 |
| msb__ | Them too. | Jul 14 14:47 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: Why bother? Just enforce Secure Boot. | Jul 14 14:47 |
| cubexyz | all the governments of the world? I think not :) | Jul 14 14:47 |
| cubexyz | the genie is out of the bottle now and has been for some time | Jul 14 14:48 |
| msb__ | Just the allies of the US -- England, France, Germany, Israel | Jul 14 14:48 |
| msb__ | and of course Canada | Jul 14 14:48 |
| msb__ | All ISPs will be required to send a crypto message to each user, to which only Windows can respond. Without a correct response, the user is disconnected, and a swat team sent to his home. | Jul 14 14:50 |
| cubexyz | except some of the ISPs run BSD | Jul 14 14:50 |
| cubexyz | my own ISP does | Jul 14 14:50 |
| msb__ | As he will be considered a terrorist, they will shoot on sight. | Jul 14 14:50 |
| cubexyz | in Canada we still have freenets: | Jul 14 14:51 |
| cubexyz | http://www.ncf.ca | Jul 14 14:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ncf.ca | National Capital FreeNet, Ottawa's not-for-profit internet provider (ISP) | Jul 14 14:52 | |
| cubexyz | but definitely we should keep an eye on things | Jul 14 14:53 |
| msb__ | A person using Linux will send out a virus causing screen strobing that makes everyone in the country throw up. Using Linux will be punishable by death, like smoking pot. | Jul 14 14:54 |
| MinceR | as time passes, the difference between systemd/Linux and windows decreases | Jul 14 14:55 |
| msb__ | Plan 9 From Outer Space: "Greetings, my friend. We are all interested in the future, for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. And remember my friend, future events such as these will affect you in the future. " | Jul 14 14:56 |
| cubexyz | msb__, my understanding is that 23 states have legal medical marijuana | Jul 14 14:56 |
| cubexyz | just like we do in Canada | Jul 14 14:57 |
| MinceR | redcrap is probably planning to kill unix | Jul 14 14:57 |
| cubexyz | they can't | Jul 14 14:57 |
| MinceR | m$ is probably waiting for them to do so, so the time will be right to revoke the certificate they sold to redcrap | Jul 14 14:58 |
| cubexyz | I have at least 100 distros on CD and DVD | Jul 14 14:58 |
| MinceR | doesn't stop them and their followers from trying everything they can, though | Jul 14 14:58 |
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| msb__ | That is something I don't understand, since the US govt knew in the 1960s that cannabis was helping people to see through govt propaganda. | Jul 14 14:58 |
| cubexyz | could Redhat "kill" AIX? Of course not | Jul 14 14:59 |
| MinceR | aix will probably die on its own | Jul 14 14:59 |
| MinceR | has ibm sold it off yet? | Jul 14 14:59 |
| msb__ | Which led to huge protests that stopped the attacks on Vietnam. | Jul 14 14:59 |
| msb__ | I hope the medical marijuana they sell is not GMO and rots the brain. | Jul 14 15:00 |
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| msb__ | Plan 9 is a very funny movie! | Jul 14 15:02 |
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| cubexyz | there's an old AIX that can run on PS/2's | Jul 14 15:03 |
| cubexyz | probably clone 386's as well | Jul 14 15:03 |
| cubexyz | IBM killed that off in 1995 | Jul 14 15:03 |
| cubexyz | nowadays it runs on POWER7 | Jul 14 15:04 |
| msb__ | http://thelastamericanvagabond.com/Cannabis_GMO.php | Jul 14 15:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thelastamericanvagabond.com | Cannabis | GMO [ http://ur1.ca/n4e7o ] | Jul 14 15:08 | |
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| cubexyz | you can actually run a true Unix SysV open source Unix with OpenSXCE and Illumos | Jul 14 15:10 |
| msb__ | http://forum.grasscity.com/advanced-growing-techniques/1262286-terminator-gene.html | Jul 14 15:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forum.grasscity.com | Terminator Gene - Advanced Growing Techniques [ http://ur1.ca/n4e8d ] | Jul 14 15:11 | |
| cubexyz | it evolved like this: Unix SVR4 -> OpenSolaris -> Illumos, OpenSXCE | Jul 14 15:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines An Awesome Developer Response To A Comment On | Jul 14 15:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | The Linux Version Being A Waste Of Time | Jul 14 15:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/UGn7MeLrBI (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Jul 14 15:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | An Awesome Developer Response To A Comment On The Linux Version Being A Waste Of Time | GamingOnLinux | Jul 14 15:12 | |
| msb__ | cubexyz: Yes, _you_ will always be able to run some kind of Unix. As long as you don't connect to the Net. | Jul 14 15:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "Legend Of Grimrock has sadly been unplayable | Jul 14 15:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | for anyone on Linux with an #Nvidia 900 series | Jul 14 15:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | chip" https://t.co/C54SEFUYH2 | Jul 14 15:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Jul 14 15:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Legend Of Grimrock Now Playable Again On Linux For Nvidia 900 Series | GamingOnLinux | Jul 14 15:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Lava Android One 2.0 Set for Release in India | Jul 14 15:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | This Week; What we Know so Far on Google's | Jul 14 15:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Affordable Nexus Phone http://t.co/v3mQHGS1r8 | Jul 14 15:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.ibtimes.co.in) | Jul 14 15:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.co.in | Lava Android One 2.0 Set for Release in India This Week; What we Know so Far on Google's Affordable Nexus Phone | Jul 14 15:12 | |
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| MinceR | as long as the government doesn't find out you have a general-purpose computer :> | Jul 14 15:12 |
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| msb__ | Right. It has to keep sending out the signal that says, "I'm just a wristwatch." | Jul 14 15:13 |
| cubexyz | on one hand you're worried about Linux but a attack on general computing is way worse | Jul 14 15:15 |
| msb__ | "And my owner is a Republican." | Jul 14 15:15 |
| msb__ | We'll just have to sneak in Raspberry-Pi boards from North Korea and Iran. | Jul 14 15:16 |
| cubexyz | if I was dependent on Brand Systems I might be a bit worried | Jul 14 15:17 |
| cubexyz | but I have at least a dozen x86 boxes running Linux or BSD | Jul 14 15:17 |
| cubexyz | Raspberry PI doesn't run windows | Jul 14 15:18 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: Shh! First they'll make you register them... | Jul 14 15:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Openmandriva – a brief review | Jul 14 15:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Jwia1A6zwM | Jul 14 15:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nwrickert2.wordpress.com | Openmandriva – a brief review | Thoughts on computing | Jul 14 15:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (nwrickert2.wordpress.com) | Jul 14 15:18 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Allen Day Elected to GNOME Foundation Board of | Jul 14 15:18 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Directors https://t.co/NnNdGCbbKS | Jul 14 15:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://blogs.gnome.org/aday/2015/07/13/diary-of-a-new-board-member/ ) | Jul 14 15:18 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Systemd – What You Need to Know | Jul 14 15:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/yqNQT0HUue | Jul 14 15:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Systemd - What You Need to Know - Make Tech Easier | Jul 14 15:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.maketecheasier.com) | Jul 14 15:18 |
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| msb__ | Unix is the direct cause of vomiterrorism! | Jul 14 15:20 |
| cubexyz | think about how many computers get chucked out for almost no reason at all | Jul 14 15:20 |
| cubexyz | all candidate Linux boxes | Jul 14 15:20 |
| msb__ | Sounds like a fun business. Make about 8 good ones out of 10 trashed ones, just by board swapping. | Jul 14 15:21 |
| msb__ | Maybe 6 or 7. | Jul 14 15:22 |
| msb__ | Probably a lot of good disk drives thrown out just because they're too small. 200GB | Jul 14 15:24 |
| cubexyz | I had an odd moment in a comptuer store a few months ago | Jul 14 15:25 |
| cubexyz | I asked for an IDE drive and the person didn't know what I was talking about :) | Jul 14 15:26 |
| cubexyz | good thing I didn't ask for a SCSI-1 drive | Jul 14 15:26 |
| msb__ | They would have called for the guys in white coats with butterfly nets. | Jul 14 15:28 |
| msb__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsCyC1dZiN8 | Jul 14 15:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Jethro Tull - Living In The Past 1969 - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/8etal ] | Jul 14 15:30 | |
| cubexyz | love the hair :) | Jul 14 15:32 |
| cubexyz | did you know about Jethro Tull the agriculturist? | Jul 14 15:34 |
| msb__ | He had pretty good hair too! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jethro_Tull_%28agriculturist%29 | Jul 14 15:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Jethro Tull (agriculturist) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/n4ehp ] | Jul 14 15:36 | |
| cubexyz | haha | Jul 14 15:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Semplice Linux 7 and the vera desktop | Jul 14 15:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/dNBtAnLexQ (distrowatch.com) | Jul 14 15:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. | Jul 14 15:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Why Linux is More Practical Than OS X | Jul 14 15:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/lMwnfxXniY (www.datamation.com) | Jul 14 15:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datamation.com | Why Linux is More Practical Than OS X - Datamation | Jul 14 15:37 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "485 out of 500 systems were using Linux" | Jul 14 15:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/rpKpfJKQuZ (www.serverwatch.com) | Jul 14 15:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.serverwatch.com | Supercomputing Power Stagnates as Tianhe-2's Speed Remains Unchallenged | Jul 14 15:37 | |
| cubexyz | datamation is running Microsoft ads :-/ | Jul 14 15:40 |
| MinceR | written by bruce byfield or otherwise? | Jul 14 15:40 |
| cubexyz | this article is written by Matt Hartley | Jul 14 15:40 |
| cubexyz | seems to be pro-Linux | Jul 14 15:41 |
| cubexyz | there's like at least 4 Microsoft ads on my screen | Jul 14 15:42 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi retweeted @tuxmachines: '"485 out of 500 systems were using Linux"...' | Jul 14 15:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @RamiSilawi .@tuxmachines That's 97% using #linux :) | Jul 14 15:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/n5eVKeHdRT | Jul 14 15:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamiSilawi: .@tuxmachines That's 97% using #linux :) http://t.co/n5eVKeHdRT | Jul 14 15:43 | |
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| msb__ | cubexyz: are you running AdBlock? | Jul 14 15:44 |
| cubexyz | no | Jul 14 15:44 |
| cubexyz | I don't mind some ads | Jul 14 15:44 |
| cubexyz | I'll just run dillo on this URL | Jul 14 15:46 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/620969502352781313 | Jul 14 15:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @schestowitz indeed, shows how low we've sunk | Jul 14 15:55 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/620970951002488833 | Jul 14 16:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @schestowitz yeah, strange that | Jul 14 16:03 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620971085576716288 https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620971155390918656 | Jul 14 16:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz Difficult merges often point out a faulty breakdown into modules, or poor team communication. | Jul 14 16:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz In short, I'm not surprised students would find this hard; they haven't learned how to do it well yet. | Jul 14 16:04 | |
| r_schestowitz | there is a learning curve | Jul 14 16:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux-friendly EtherCAT controller expands via | Jul 14 16:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | PCIe http://t.co/kJnH7Jzatc (linuxgizmos.com) | Jul 14 16:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Linux-friendly EtherCAT controller expands via PCIe · LinuxGizmos.com | Jul 14 16:12 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @ducbook followed @tuxmachines | Jul 14 16:12 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/mikloshvanEgan/status/620974343619760128 | Jul 14 16:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mikloshvanEgan: #Austerity-#Festival begins: Because in the #End, The #Evil relies on its #Victim's #Sanctions #Greece now, #EU next https://t.co/SzQcuJcXX6 | Jul 14 16:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #greece is being collectively punished because if it shuns #austerity and this succeed it'll make others follow. Like socialism in Lat Am. | Jul 14 16:15 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/OrterF/status/620976921267073024 | Jul 14 16:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@OrterF: #Austerity-#Festival begins: Because in the #End, The #Evil relies on its #Victim's #Sanctions #Greece now, #EU ne… https://t.co/kI76RxUH5M | Jul 14 16:24 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620977310511034368 | Jul 14 16:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz Yeah and later on we call it "experience" ;-) | Jul 14 16:29 | |
| r_schestowitz | Cellphone gen hasn't got patience for that.. they don't even type entire words | Jul 14 16:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Development of the nOS Linux Distribution Has | Jul 14 16:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Stopped http://t.co/R6FPOQ4SYi | Jul 14 16:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Development of the nOS Linux Distribution Has Stopped - Softpedia | Jul 14 16:31 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines You Can Now Install Most of the Ubuntu Touch | Jul 14 16:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Core Apps on Your Ubuntu Desktop | Jul 14 16:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | You Can Now Install Most of the Ubuntu Touch Core Apps on Your Ubuntu Desktop - Softpedia | Jul 14 16:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Companies Most Active On The Systemd | Jul 14 16:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mailing List http://t.co/BmpFMLQuF0 | Jul 14 16:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Jul 14 16:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | The Companies Most Active On The Systemd Mailing List - Phoronix | Jul 14 16:32 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: KDE http://t.co/jRXx64gRly | Jul 14 16:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: KDE | Tux Machines | Jul 14 16:32 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Development of the nOS Linux Distribution Has | Jul 14 16:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Stopped http://t.co/nzUUG742RK | Jul 14 16:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Development of the nOS Linux Distribution Has Stopped | Tux Machines | Jul 14 16:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How to win the copyleft fight—without | Jul 14 16:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | litigation http://t.co/hYrEhKogX7 | Jul 14 16:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to win the copyleft fight—without litigation | Tux Machines | Jul 14 16:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines You Can Now Install Most of the Ubuntu Touch | Jul 14 16:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Core Apps on Your Ubuntu Desktop | Jul 14 16:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | You Can Now Install Most of the Ubuntu Touch Core Apps on Your Ubuntu Desktop | Tux Machines | Jul 14 16:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Companies Most Active On The Systemd | Jul 14 16:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mailing List http://t.co/uHIXkKWUnF | Jul 14 16:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Companies Most Active On The Systemd Mailing List | Tux Machines | Jul 14 16:46 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus OS Now Boots in 3.5 Seconds | Jul 14 16:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Solus OS Now Boots in 3.5 Seconds - Softpedia | Jul 14 16:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Here Is Why The Linux 4.2 Kernel Is Messing Up | Jul 14 16:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | On Some Ubuntu Systems http://t.co/E97QDM2McM | Jul 14 16:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Here Is Why The Linux 4.2 Kernel Is Messing Up On Some Ubuntu Systems - Phoronix | Jul 14 16:46 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How to get systems administrators and | Jul 14 16:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | developers to agree with Docker | Jul 14 16:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/GgSQNB4eek (opensource.com) | Jul 14 16:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com | Docker knows how to win over developers and sysadmins | Opensource.com | Jul 14 16:53 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @KelinZakhar favourited 'How to get systems administrators and developers to...' | Jul 14 16:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New Media Player in the Works for Ubuntu Touch | Jul 14 17:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to Replace Grooveshark http://t.co/5JCeeMpt7E | Jul 14 17:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | New Media Player in the Works for Ubuntu Touch to Replace Grooveshark - Softpedia | Jul 14 17:20 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE 15.10 Drops Desktop Cube as Default | Jul 14 17:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | for Compiz, for Now http://t.co/C2CoG6DfKN | Jul 14 17:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu MATE 15.10 Drops Desktop Cube as Default for Compiz, for Now - Softpedia | Jul 14 17:20 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux AIO Gathers All the Fedora 22 Live CDs | Jul 14 17:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | into a Single ISO Image http://t.co/RgODO1hbha | Jul 14 17:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux AIO Gathers All the Fedora 22 Live CDs into a Single ISO Image - Softpedia | Jul 14 17:21 | |
| r_schestowitz | > Mohd Sohail sent a message using the contact form at http://www.tuxmachines.org/contact. | Jul 14 17:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Contact | Tux Machines | Jul 14 17:31 | |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jul 14 17:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > I've been facing problems with Spam filter. Whenever I submit any story I get an error saying I've typed capatcha correctly (I type correctly). When I resubmit it after retyping capatcha it says "You have triggered spam filter. Your story will not be submitted.". Please solve this issue ASAP. | Jul 14 17:31 |
| r_schestowitz | 2 people reported this issue to me before. I thought it got resolved, but I guess I was wrong. Do you submit as blog or news? I reported this issue to mollon and at one point I thought that maybe mollom cache error was to blame. How many times did this happen? Only today? Thanks for reporting this, I am eager to get to the bottom of it. | Jul 14 17:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New Manjaro Linux Update Brings the Latest AMD | Jul 14 17:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Catalyst Drivers, Linux Kernel 4.1.2 | Jul 14 17:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/DuCBPgMPLU (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 14 17:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | New Manjaro Linux Update Brings the Latest AMD Catalyst Drivers, Linux Kernel 4.1.2 - Softpedia | Jul 14 17:38 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines SystemRescueCd 4.5.4 Moves to Linux Kernels | Jul 14 17:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 3.14.48 and 3.18.18 LTS | Jul 14 17:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/b43DjP3Bu3 (linux.softpedia.com) | Jul 14 17:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | SystemRescueCd 4.5.4 Moves to Linux Kernels 3.14.48 and 3.18.18 LTS - Softpedia | Jul 14 17:39 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Ubuntu http://t.co/ZSlxA5bXPQ | Jul 14 17:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Ubuntu | Tux Machines | Jul 14 17:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux AIO Gathers All the Fedora 22 Live CDs | Jul 14 17:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | into a Single ISO Image http://t.co/lBS6ysvR7c | Jul 14 17:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 17:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux AIO Gathers All the Fedora 22 Live CDs into a Single ISO Image | Tux Machines | Jul 14 17:54 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines SUSE and ARM http://t.co/1Ce1U9whkI | Jul 14 17:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SUSE and ARM | Tux Machines | Jul 14 17:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New Manjaro Linux Update Brings the Latest AMD | Jul 14 17:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Catalyst Drivers, Linux Kernel 4.1.2 | Jul 14 17:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/ncjdBY02wR (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 17:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | New Manjaro Linux Update Brings the Latest AMD Catalyst Drivers, Linux Kernel 4.1.2 | Tux Machines | Jul 14 17:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines SystemRescueCd 4.5.4 Moves to Linux Kernels | Jul 14 17:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 3.14.48 and 3.18.18 LTS http://t.co/qImEBHGynb | Jul 14 17:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SystemRescueCd 4.5.4 Moves to Linux Kernels 3.14.48 and 3.18.18 LTS | Tux Machines | Jul 14 17:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New Media Player in the Works for Ubuntu Touch | Jul 14 17:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by to Replace Grooveshark http://t.co/5JCeeMpt7E | Jul 14 17:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | New Media Player in the Works for Ubuntu Touch to Replace Grooveshark - Softpedia | Jul 14 17:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tokvbok (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 14 17:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4fxa | Jul 14 17:55 |
| cubexyz | Stallman may have to start talking about the "Five Freedoms" | Jul 14 18:16 |
| cubexyz | Freedom Five: The freedom to choose your own init system | Jul 14 18:16 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I already see how to exploit it. | Jul 14 18:17 |
| XRevan86 | "rice": Revan's Init System. | Jul 14 18:18 |
| XRevan86 | on Python with PyQt5 | Jul 14 18:18 |
| XRevan86 | + gobject-introspection to fetch GStreamer | Jul 14 18:19 |
| XRevan86 | (to play a greeting sound after the startup) | Jul 14 18:19 |
| cubexyz | there's talk of a hidden agenda to take over everything | Jul 14 18:20 |
| cubexyz | sounds paranoid I know | Jul 14 18:20 |
| cubexyz | but I just want to pick my own init system | Jul 14 18:21 |
| r_schestowitz | getting hard | Jul 14 18:21 |
| r_schestowitz | unless you use a marginal system | Jul 14 18:21 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Will you support my petition to get "rice" support in Devuan? :) | Jul 14 18:21 |
| XRevan86 | after I write it of course | Jul 14 18:21 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, sure | Jul 14 18:21 |
| cubexyz | more choice is better | Jul 14 18:21 |
| cubexyz | I can cite several non-systemd distros | Jul 14 18:22 |
| XRevan86 | It won't support initscripts so they'll have to make init service for rice from stratch :D | Jul 14 18:22 |
| r_schestowitz | agreed | Jul 14 18:22 |
| cubexyz | embedix (zaurus), bl3, fc1, quasijarus, void linux, vector linux, slackware, and a partridge in a pear tree :) | Jul 14 18:23 |
| cubexyz | openbsd | Jul 14 18:23 |
| XRevan86 | https://github.com/pocmo/Python-Brainfuck I even know on what languages rice's services will be written in. | Jul 14 18:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | pocmo/Python-Brainfuck · GitHub [ http://ur1.ca/n4g8n ] | Jul 14 18:23 | |
| cubexyz | antix | Jul 14 18:23 |
| cubexyz | I can keep going :) | Jul 14 18:23 |
| razielle_tzu | hmm... not used antix in a while | Jul 14 18:24 |
| cubexyz | Bell Labs Unix v1 through v10 | Jul 14 18:24 |
| cubexyz | Plan 9 | Jul 14 18:25 |
| razielle_tzu | might look into void and vector too thinking about it | Jul 14 18:25 |
| XRevan86 | Debian derivatives like Siduction and Crunchbang++ can easily be remade into Devuan derivatives. | Jul 14 18:26 |
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| razielle_tzu | i think i have a netbook runnig crunchbang, might be archbang though | Jul 14 18:26 |
| cubexyz | it's not like there isn't lots of choices | Jul 14 18:27 |
| razielle_tzu | i know | Jul 14 18:27 |
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| XRevan86 | razielle_tzu: How can you not know? | Jul 14 18:27 |
| razielle_tzu | it's been a while and i was manic when i installed it | Jul 14 18:27 |
| XRevan86 | crunchbang is like "apt update; aptitude full-upgrade", archbang is like "pacman -Suy" | Jul 14 18:27 |
| razielle_tzu | i've not had to use it in a few months | Jul 14 18:28 |
| XRevan86 | If it's crunchbang, port it to crunchbang++. | Jul 14 18:28 |
| razielle_tzu | i'll take a look later and port it if it's crunch | Jul 14 18:28 |
| razielle_tzu | trying to decide what to use on the other laptop i have on my desk, currently it is stock ubuntu but i feel like a change but don't want to use arch for another machine... i like variety | Jul 14 18:30 |
| XRevan86 | razielle_tzu: Try void linux. It's like Arch but not Arch. | Jul 14 18:30 |
| razielle_tzu | i'll add it to the list of possibilities, another one i was thinking about trying again was sabayon | Jul 14 18:31 |
| XRevan86 | I'd suggest openSUSE but I think that's dangerous here :D. | Jul 14 18:31 |
| razielle_tzu | lol | Jul 14 18:31 |
| XRevan86 | > sabayon | Jul 14 18:32 |
| XRevan86 | also Calculate Linux | Jul 14 18:32 |
| razielle_tzu | the last one i tried that wasn't my usual group was pclinuxos and i... wasn't a fan | Jul 14 18:32 |
| XRevan86 | pclinuxos is terrible | Jul 14 18:33 |
| XRevan86 | I didn't have a close look, but empty repos were enough. | Jul 14 18:33 |
| razielle_tzu | i booted it in a vm to try and help a friend troubleshoot a couple of things and after that i straight up deleted the entire vm, i didn't even just repurpose the hard drive files | Jul 14 18:34 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/darkstar-0.99-x11.png | Jul 14 18:35 |
| cubexyz | 64 megs is all you need | Jul 14 18:37 |
| razielle_tzu | cool | Jul 14 18:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE 15.10 Drops Desktop Cube as Default | Jul 14 18:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by for Compiz, for Now http://t.co/C2CoG6DfKN | Jul 14 18:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tokvbok (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 14 18:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu MATE 15.10 Drops Desktop Cube as Default for Compiz, for Now - Softpedia | Jul 14 18:41 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 14/7/2015: Android in Enterprise, TOP500 | Jul 14 18:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Has 486 on GNU/Linux http://t.co/xoSwDWExdy | Jul 14 18:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (techrights.org) | Jul 14 18:41 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/VTL90NuDlP | Jul 14 18:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 14/7/2015: Android in Enterprise, TOP500 Has 486 on GNU/Linux | Techrights | Jul 14 18:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/beEhJJEzP5 | Jul 14 18:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Jul 14 18:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 18:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 14 18:41 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The End of Adobe Flash? http://t.co/U7GXLpWs84 | Jul 14 18:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 18:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The End of Adobe Flash? | Tux Machines | Jul 14 18:41 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines $79 octacore hacker SBC runs Ubuntu and Android | Jul 14 18:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/JxwtCocpn4 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 18:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | $79 octacore hacker SBC runs Ubuntu and Android | Tux Machines | Jul 14 18:41 | |
| cubexyz | back in 1985 we had this: | Jul 14 18:44 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/amigados-1.0.gif | Jul 14 18:45 |
| cubexyz | I thought it was so advanced at the time | Jul 14 18:45 |
| razielle_tzu | oh man amigados xD | Jul 14 18:45 |
| razielle_tzu | i never used anything prior to 2.something and the one i remember most is 3.0/3,1 | Jul 14 18:47 |
| cubexyz | we're coming up on the 30th anniversary of the Amiga | Jul 14 18:47 |
| razielle_tzu | i know | Jul 14 18:48 |
| cubexyz | honestly I don't use the amiga any more for work, haven't for a long time | Jul 14 18:53 |
| cubexyz | but I fire it up once a month for fun | Jul 14 18:53 |
| razielle_tzu | i would but one is still in storage and the other is at my mum's | Jul 14 18:56 |
| razielle_tzu | both A600s with about 300 floppies between them | Jul 14 18:56 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/amiga-with-joystick.jpg | Jul 14 18:56 |
| cubexyz | that's the plan 9 box on the left :) | Jul 14 18:57 |
| razielle_tzu | nice | Jul 14 19:05 |
| *cubexyz plays a mod file | Jul 14 19:07 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Unexpected end of ZLIB input stream ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Jul 14 19:23 | |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Maybe you know why this patch breaks everything: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/88b51266 ? :) | Jul 14 19:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paste.debian.net | Debian Pastezone | Jul 14 19:44 | |
| XRevan86 | Maybe AF_UNSPEC is not what I think it is. | Jul 14 19:46 |
| *MinceR plays mod files with audacious | Jul 14 19:54 | |
| MinceR | (possibly to be replaced by mpd) | Jul 14 19:54 |
| MinceR | 191624 < cubexyz> Stallman may have to start talking about the "Five Freedoms" | Jul 14 19:55 |
| MinceR | 191641 < cubexyz> Freedom Five: The freedom to choose your own init system | Jul 14 19:55 |
| MinceR | rms gave up his principles | Jul 14 19:55 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Fixed it, never mind. | Jul 14 20:01 |
| cubexyz | no one made a fuss when the mashey shell was invented | Jul 14 20:04 |
| cubexyz | the thompson shell was primitive, it made sense that someone would make a better shell | Jul 14 20:05 |
| cubexyz | but you could swap it out easy enough | Jul 14 20:06 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, stallman doesn't seem to care about systemd one way or the other from what I've read | Jul 14 20:07 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jul 14 20:07 |
| MinceR | and he should | Jul 14 20:07 |
| MinceR | still, it would be Freedom Four, as it's indexed from 0 | Jul 14 20:09 |
| cubexyz | ah that's true | Jul 14 20:09 |
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| cubexyz | one sysadmin's description of systemd: "a damn maze of BS" | Jul 14 21:10 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 14 21:13 |
| schestowitz | [just got some new info about EPO] | Jul 14 21:17 |
| schestowitz | me: I thought I was being sent a treasure. After numerous Thunderbird crashes (because Enigmail cannot deal too well with some edge cases) and some looking up on command-line recipes for pgp, installing pgp (not gpg) and some other stuff I finally managed to find just an attachment in the mail -- the image which I had access to and made a copy of the other day. I wonder if someone knows the story of why it got 'taken' down, seemingly at | Jul 14 21:17 |
| schestowitz | gunpoint (metaphorically speaking) as SUEPO isn't (yet) controlled by the EPO's thugs. Was there anything in this message except the PDF attachment? Did I miss something that explains the background of it? Either way, without anything confirmed I could only post speculative (and potentially defamatory) article about the deletion of the text. I still don't know what exactly managers at the EPO say about their exposers, I just know some crude | Jul 14 21:17 |
| schestowitz | actions that they take (after they get caught). | Jul 14 21:17 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/mu0WOYiIxX | Jul 14 21:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jul 14 21:36 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines $79 octacore hacker SBC runs Ubuntu and Android | Jul 14 21:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/92BdApPEXN (linuxgizmos.com) | Jul 14 21:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | $79 octacore hacker SBC runs Ubuntu and Android · LinuxGizmos.com | Jul 14 21:36 | |
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| **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 15 09:21:38 2015 | ||
| *Now talking on #techrights | Jul 15 09:21 | |
| *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell | Jul 15 09:21 | |
| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Jul 15 09:21 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6337897 | Jul 15 09:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Gunmen on the run" in #paris - again this year. But this time they were 'just' after money, so it's not terrorism... | Jul 15 09:28 | |
| schestowitz | "Entrepreneurs with initiative and audacity. Applause!" | Jul 15 09:28 |
| schestowitz | give them a scholarship... | Jul 15 09:28 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6302130 | Jul 15 09:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #france wants more #html5 - hopefully non-patented video formats and no #drm https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/node/144318 | Jul 15 09:31 | |
| schestowitz | "Could not find any mention of DRM in it…" | Jul 15 09:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> joinup.ec.europa.eu | France updates its web accessibility guidelines | Joinup | Jul 15 09:31 | |
| schestowitz | HTML5 has that in the specs, but it's not actively encouraged | Jul 15 09:32 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6309906 | Jul 15 09:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "GCC 5 the default compiler in Debian Unstable by month's end." http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Debian-GCC5-Unstable-Landing #gcc #gnu #debian | Jul 15 09:33 | |
| schestowitz | "Probably a push. A lot needs to be rebuilt for gcc5, in particular a lot of work for the C++ ABI change. Worth doing but getting it all done by end of month will be hard." | Jul 15 09:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.phoronix.com | Debian Will Soon Make GCC 5 Its Default Compiler - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/n4nzc ] | Jul 15 09:33 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6342319 | Jul 15 09:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Facebook's New Security Chief Calls On #Adobe To Kill #Flash http://www.tomshardware.com/news/alex-stamos-kill-flash-player,29576.html http://www.pcworld.com/article/2947381/how-to-disable-flash-player-why-nows-a-better-time-than-ever.html | Jul 15 09:37 | |
| schestowitz | "adobe should release a flash.js already" | Jul 15 09:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.tomshardware.com | Facebook's New Security Chief Calls On Adobe To Kill Flash [ http://ur1.ca/n4nzu ] | Jul 15 09:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.pcworld.com | How to disable Flash Player: Why now's a better time than ever | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/n4nzv ] | Jul 15 09:37 | |
| schestowitz | That would keep Flash around and some people depending on dangerous blobs | Jul 15 09:37 |
| schestowitz | Although Eich's work on ASM JS might be of use to them | Jul 15 09:38 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6336468 | Jul 15 10:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Two teen programmers talk about why they love Linux, love Google and don't hate Windows 10 http://www.businessinsider.in/Two-teen-programmers-talk-about-why-they-love-Linux-love-Google-and-dont-hate-Windows-10/articleshow/48043655.cms #gnu #linux | Jul 15 10:08 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 15 10:08 |
| schestowitz | It sounds like they hate Windows to me. Both complain of various performance problems and brokenness. Neither has Windows 10. One hopes they fix the brokenness and is afraid of privacy violations. The other uses is because they want to play games and use a non free video editor, but hates having to reinstall it yearly and will only upgrade when their current, perhaps school supplied, Windows 7 key expires. | Jul 15 10:08 |
| schestowitz | I’m impressed that a high school student is aware of privacy violations and considering ethical problems. That shows mature thought that’s rare in corporate media. | Jul 15 10:08 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 15 10:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.businessinsider.in | Two teen programmers talk about why they love Linux, love Google and don't hate Windows 10 | Business Insider India [ http://ur1.ca/n4o72 ] | Jul 15 10:08 | |
| schestowitz | it's an article from Julie Bort, a Microsoft booster, so a pro-Windows slant (about a version that's not even out yet) a must, with veiled endorsement from "Linux" | Jul 15 10:08 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/621245241568292864 | Jul 15 10:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: .@schestowitz in the beginning, yes—like every endeavor. However, enables choice…here is #Elvis vi-clone on ~ #RHEL 7 http://t.co/Q3T294BWgD | Jul 15 10:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6302096 | Jul 15 10:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The #uk Government doesn't understand terrorism — and it's making things worse http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-government-doesnt-understand-terrorism--and-its-making-things-worse-10367519.html "McCarthyite anxiety" | Jul 15 10:12 | |
| schestowitz | "Yes they do, how else can they justify the tax dollars spent on spying on you." | Jul 15 10:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.independent.co.uk | The Government doesn't understand terrorism — and it's making things worse - Comment - Voices - The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/n4o84 ] | Jul 15 10:12 | |
| schestowitz | True for drones... | Jul 15 10:13 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6316549 | Jul 15 10:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Some dude in the sauna today asked me if I was a spy. Odd. I haven't been asked this kind of question in almost a decade and it's BS. | Jul 15 10:14 | |
| schestowitz | "Would it have something to do with those jerks at the EPO or their hired goons at Control Risks? I suppose you will know for sure when someone hacks their email." | Jul 15 10:14 |
| schestowitz | My E-mails go through Telehouse in London, so they could scan it all with secret documents. I wouldn't know it.... | Jul 15 10:15 |
| msb__ | . | Jul 15 10:18 |
| msb__ | New TV series _Zoo_ on CBS. 3rd episode shown last night (Tuesday). Animals fed up with being preyed upon by humans are now attacking us. Looks pretty good. | Jul 15 10:20 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6335232 | Jul 15 10:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Spy on 6.7 billion people (NSA), worry about 21 million http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/feds-hack-affected-million-people/article_2d055ad7-0095-5ec6-9304-c55e3eb613b8.html http://www.myfoxal.com/story/29524412/ua-cyber-security-expert-and-former-longtime-cia-officer-breaks-down-big-goverment-data-breach-affecting-millions | Jul 15 10:23 | |
| schestowitz | "Who worries about those 21 million? Not me, hard to feel sympathy." | Jul 15 10:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.santafenewmexican.com | Feds: Hack affected 21.5 million people - The Santa Fe New Mexican: News [ http://ur1.ca/n4oax ] | Jul 15 10:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.myfoxal.com | UA Cyber security expert and former longtime CIA officer breaks - MyFoxAL.com - FOX6 WBRC Birmingham, AL [ http://ur1.ca/n4oay ] | Jul 15 10:23 | |
| schestowitz | Whose government spies on billions | Jul 15 10:23 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6309428 | Jul 15 10:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The "I" in #iphone http://www.cultofmac.com/328359/future-iphones-could-be-unlocked-with-a-selfie/ http://www.ubergizmo.com/2015/07/iphone-unlock-selfie-patent/ snobs looking at themselves | Jul 15 10:24 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.cultofmac.com | Future iPhones could be unlocked with a selfie [ http://ur1.ca/n4ob6 ] | Jul 15 10:24 | |
| schestowitz | "lol … after the fingerprint stolen, the selfie. What if, after a big fight and your face is hurt or worse, you want to unlock your Ithing to call police or hospital ?" | Jul 15 10:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.ubergizmo.com | Future iPhones Could Unlock By Taking A Selfie | Ubergizmo [ http://ur1.ca/n4ob7 ] | Jul 15 10:24 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621250016514945024 | Jul 15 10:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz @norwind Now there's a good indication the #Snowden leaks contain both mis/disinformation. Only for the most gullible this one | Jul 15 10:53 | |
| schestowitz | Please can you elaborate? | Jul 15 10:54 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/621252412255404032 | Jul 15 10:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz A 2lb engineering hammer can fix most things. Even winduhs servers.... | Jul 15 10:55 | |
| schestowitz | Depends what we mean by "fix" | Jul 15 10:55 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/621253254161301504 | Jul 15 10:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz ROTFLMAO! | Jul 15 10:56 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/621256105398657025 | Jul 15 10:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: "Akin to running #gnu #linux under proprietary…" @Azure? https://t.co/s1ULlJtCLJ #cloud #fail https://t.co/IvVTAzZJDV | Jul 15 10:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> vmdepot.msopentech.com | VM Depot - find, deploy and share images for Windows Azure | Jul 15 10:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Using #tor on top of #windows (not #tails for example) a dangerous compromise. Akin to running #gnu #linux under proprietary #hyperv | Jul 15 10:56 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Greekstudent12/status/621257904469872640 | Jul 15 11:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Greekstudent12: #StopTTIP http://t.co/wcPKY7QLsd #ISDS #privatisation #GreeceCrisis #ThisIsACoup #goldmansachs #Canada #eurozone https://t.co/mNx574pSUP | Jul 15 11:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> stop-ttip.org | Home - Stop TTIP Stop TTIP | Jul 15 11:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: U.S. firm sues #Canada for $10.5 billion over water http://t.co/kvRtXoVWSB preview of #isds madness? | Jul 15 11:04 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621258177426796544 https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621258407819935744 | Jul 15 11:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz Ok, it's very easy to feed encrypted content into a supercomputer, the wait for decryption is not a struggle at all @norwind | Jul 15 11:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz Other than OTP, the maximum wait time for the highest grade of military (not publicly available) encryption is 30 days @norwind | Jul 15 11:04 | |
| schestowitz | 1. it's expensive to do. 2. PGP keys get longer | Jul 15 11:04 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621258922339381248 | Jul 15 11:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz All PGP really does is inhibits the scanning of large packets of unencrypted comms for keywords @norwind | Jul 15 11:05 | |
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| schestowitz | That's like saying no encryption can ever work | Jul 15 11:05 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6310160 | Jul 15 11:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The only so-called 'cloud' that might be reasonable to use http://www.linuxveda.com/2015/07/07/owncloud-8-1-arrives-end-user-admin-improvements/ | Jul 15 11:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.linuxveda.com | ownCloud 8.1 arrives with end user and admin improvements - Linux Veda [ http://ur1.ca/n3xfr ] | Jul 15 11:06 | |
| schestowitz | ""I did’t think so. I may be wrong though. | Jul 15 11:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 15 11:06 |
| schestowitz | Connects to KDE Kontact and the relates parts of this suite, e.g. Kmail with Akonadi | Jul 15 11:06 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621259451731828736 | Jul 15 11:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz And, as every country with SIGINT capacity, & those advised by them, is aware of this, the disinfo is 4 the gullible @norwind | Jul 15 11:07 | |
| schestowitz | We cannot assume everything to be disinfo. | Jul 15 11:07 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621259666903830530 | Jul 15 11:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz SIGINT agencies like NSA and GCHQ are packed with expensive supercomputers for this specific task @norwind | Jul 15 11:08 | |
| schestowitz | Expensive and not always feasible. | Jul 15 11:08 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621259894549680129 | Jul 15 11:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz No it isn't. Properly utilised OTP is unbreakable and in the future quantum encryption is likely to be also @norwind | Jul 15 11:08 | |
| schestowitz | quantom mostly a buzzword for them. It's down to brute force and cost. | Jul 15 11:08 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621260176566267904 | Jul 15 11:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz However, this part clearly is. No SIGINT agency anywhere struggles to crack PGP @norwind | Jul 15 11:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621260890508263424 | Jul 15 11:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz A baby could feed an encrypted email into a SIGINT supercomputer and conduct the requisite waiting period @norwind | Jul 15 11:12 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621260555521626112 | Jul 15 11:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz That is only true for law enforcement agencies, who struggle to access to SIGINT infrastructure @norwind | Jul 15 11:12 | |
| schestowitz | Better tell that to spies, who apparently cannot ever and could never communicate securely... | Jul 15 11:13 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621261192661577728 | Jul 15 11:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz No we haven't, but we have gained an education into what it can actually do, which is buy time and defeat keyword scanning | Jul 15 11:13 | |
| schestowitz | I see now, based on your profile, that you are in the anti-Wikileaks camp, so I must be wasting my time here | Jul 15 11:14 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621261390464966656 | Jul 15 11:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz this is misinformation. as anybody reading the tweet conversation can easily see | Jul 15 11:15 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621261895589171200 | Jul 15 11:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz Spies have been communicating securely forever. It can be done by anyone, just use OTP @norwind | Jul 15 11:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621262131371995137 | Jul 15 11:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz Gaining an education is never a waste of time. | Jul 15 11:18 | |
| schestowitz | The disinfo comes from you, not the NSA leaks | Jul 15 11:18 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-5 Has Been Delayed Until July | Jul 15 11:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 20, OTA-6 Planning Continues | Jul 15 11:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch OTA-5 Has Been Delayed Until July 20, OTA-6 Planning Continues | Tux Machines | Jul 15 11:35 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6300721 | Jul 15 11:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #YotaPhone drops #Android for #SailfishOS http://www.androidauthority.com/yotaphone-drops-android-for-sailfish-os-622541/ #linux | Jul 15 11:59 | |
| schestowitz | "that could be nice. But this phone seems too expensive for Jolla’s community." | Jul 15 12:00 |
| schestowitz | "Above header is actually false. But yes, there still are plans of choosing Sailfish OS as mobile operating system for Russian government use which is a +1." | Jul 15 12:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.androidauthority.com | YotaPhone drops Android for Sailfish OS - Android Authority [ http://ur1.ca/n4oxt ] | Jul 15 12:00 | |
| schestowitz | Jolla can put pressure on Android to improve security | Jul 15 12:00 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5847829 | Jul 15 12:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Cutegram 2.1.1 Arrives with Many Improvements, Still the Best #Telegram Client for Linux Ever http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/Cutegram-2-1-1-Arrives-with-Many-Improvements-Still-the-Best-Telegram-Client-for-Linux-Ever-476979.shtml #gnu #linux | Jul 15 12:01 | |
| schestowitz | "Its sad to see Free Software advocates promoting a non-free service offered by a single company (no federation). What advantage telegram has over a Free Software WhatsaApp client? Just because it is not owned by Facebook, it is recommended?" | Jul 15 12:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linux.softpedia.com | Cutegram 2.1.1 Arrives with Many Improvements, Still the Best Telegram Client for Linux Ever - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/n4oy0 ] | Jul 15 12:01 | |
| schestowitz | "The advantage is that you can start a SECRET CHAT which bypasses the the server and offers end to end encryption, completely libre. Do your home work before hating more…" | Jul 15 12:01 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6311200 | Jul 15 12:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Database administration is a highly sought-after skill not because of it's hard but because of lack of training. Schools teach MS UI instead | Jul 15 12:01 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 15 12:01 |
| schestowitz | No, it’s hard. =) | Jul 15 12:01 |
| schestowitz | No, really, it seems to me that there are fades in IT and the most popular trade is developer. On the other hand, I have not met so much people that is attracted to database management. And most people do not change (become specialists?) so if someone has been sysadmin do not have interest in becoming database admin, and so on. | Jul 15 12:01 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 15 12:01 |
| schestowitz | It helps to have some lesser experience with it, to avoid having to pay a specialist to fix a DB | Jul 15 12:02 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6310135 | Jul 15 12:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: David Guetta: Piracy Brings Fans to My Concerts https://torrentfreak.com/david-guetta-piracy-brings-fans-to-my-concerts-150706/ good for him, maybe not the cartels | Jul 15 12:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> torrentfreak.com | David Guetta: Piracy Brings Fans to My Concerts - TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/n4oyh ] | Jul 15 12:02 | |
| schestowitz | "well… I think I have to give a chance to Guetta’s music :)" | Jul 15 12:02 |
| schestowitz | His image improved in my mind | Jul 15 12:02 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6300834 | Jul 15 12:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Don Quijones: #Wikileaks Exposes How #TISA Will Gut Financial Regulations All Over the World http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/07/don-quijones-wikileaks-exposes-how-tisa-will-gut-financial-regulations-all-over-the-world.html | Jul 15 12:03 | |
| schestowitz | "Let’s revise that: it will gut financial regulations for the big businesses and the rich. It will certainly not de-regulate the financial surveillance of the populace!" | Jul 15 12:03 |
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| schestowitz | it's clear whose wishlist | Jul 15 12:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.nakedcapitalism.com | Don Quijones: Wikileaks Exposes How TISA Will Gut Financial Regulations All Over the World | naked capitalism [ http://ur1.ca/n4oyu ] | Jul 15 12:03 | |
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| schestowitz | >> Today and yesterday a link was pasted twice. Not sure if the correct ones can still be recovered. | Jul 15 12:28 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 15 12:28 |
| schestowitz | > Probably not. Focus is still an issue for me often. The one today might | Jul 15 12:28 |
| schestowitz | > have been this one: | Jul 15 12:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition review | Jul 15 12:28 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 15 12:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/oziR8ibmof (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 15 12:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition review | Tux Machines | Jul 15 12:28 | |
| schestowitz | > http://www.pcworld.com/article/2947705/windows-phone-os/nadella-microsoft-isnt-killing-windows-phone-and-will-go-it-alone-if-it-has-to.html | Jul 15 12:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com | Nadella: Microsoft isn't killing Windows Phone and will go it alone if it has to | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/n4p56 ] | Jul 15 12:28 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 15 12:28 |
| schestowitz | > But it's not worth much aside from tracking what the official party line | Jul 15 12:28 |
| schestowitz | > is this week. | Jul 15 12:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Alpine Linux 3.2.2 Server-Oriented Distro Gets | Jul 15 12:28 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 15 12:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | the Latest Linux Kernel 3.18.18 LTS | Jul 15 12:28 |
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| schestowitz | The writer, Mark Hachman, is a Microsoft booster and he seems to have been promoted by IDG to Senior Editor. | Jul 15 12:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Alpine Linux 3.2.2 Server-Oriented Distro Gets the Latest Linux Kernel 3.18.18 LTS | Tux Machines | Jul 15 12:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition First Impressions, | Jul 15 12:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Exceeding Expectations http://t.co/EoCrTgFcf4 | Jul 15 12:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 15 12:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition First Impressions, Exceeding Expectations | Tux Machines | Jul 15 12:29 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tizen on Raspberry PI 2 now with 3D | Jul 15 12:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | acceleration http://t.co/uHGvW04xaz | Jul 15 12:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tizen on Raspberry PI 2 now with 3D acceleration | Tux Machines | Jul 15 12:29 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6345892 | Jul 15 12:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Always loved the idea of the EU because of promises of harmony, commonwealth, democracy. Refuted by #greece #imf and http://www.fosspatents.com/2015/07/leadership-of-european-patent-office.html | Jul 15 12:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Leadership of European Patent Office blocks examiners' access to directory of potential prior art [ http://ur1.ca/n4nm0 ] | Jul 15 12:33 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 15 12:33 |
| schestowitz | There is nothing more to say. All those that lost there savings have given up all hope they will get anything back. Except maybe some worthless bank stocks. | Jul 15 12:33 |
| schestowitz | In the meantime, the Cyprus law system has failed up to now, to bring the looters to justice. | Jul 15 12:33 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 15 12:33 |
| schestowitz | Cyprus is too small to stand up to international banking | Jul 15 12:33 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6342319 | Jul 15 12:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Facebook's New Security Chief Calls On #Adobe To Kill #Flash http://www.tomshardware.com/news/alex-stamos-kill-flash-player,29576.html http://www.pcworld.com/article/2947381/how-to-disable-flash-player-why-nows-a-better-time-than-ever.html | Jul 15 12:34 | |
| schestowitz | "i don’t mean a blob, just a js library that does everything that flash could do (actionscript is ecmascript anyway), and the already available design tools would use that instead, and existing projects could be migrated" | Jul 15 12:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.tomshardware.com | Facebook's New Security Chief Calls On Adobe To Kill Flash [ http://ur1.ca/n4nzu ] | Jul 15 12:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.pcworld.com | How to disable Flash Player: Why now's a better time than ever | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/n4nzv ] | Jul 15 12:34 | |
| schestowitz | I believe that this is exactly what Eich is working on these days | Jul 15 12:34 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: really the greek mess is stupid. No one knows how to think on feet. | Jul 15 12:37 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promissory_note | Jul 15 12:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Promissory note - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/n4p7c ] | Jul 15 12:37 | |
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| oiaohm | Like if the EU will not give the greeks enough notes to operate the correct solution is greek banks provide promissory notes to customers so customers can still carry out their require tranactions. | Jul 15 12:38 |
| oiaohm | Of course promissory notes will not be any worth to spend outside greece | Jul 15 12:38 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/1evjvZQqZd (www.proli.net) " Kate. | Jul 15 13:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Instead of focusing on the editor, it went the | Jul 15 13:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.proli.net | KDevelop: Concentration as a feature | TheBlindCow | Jul 15 13:04 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines System76 removes Adobe Flash from its Ubuntu | Jul 15 13:04 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.18.18 LTS Is a Huge Release with | Jul 15 13:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Multiple ARM Fixes, Updated Drivers | Jul 15 13:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 3.18.18 LTS Is a Huge Release with Multiple ARM Fixes, Updated Drivers - Softpedia | Jul 15 13:11 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 Is Rebased on Linux Kernel 4.1, | Jul 15 13:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techrepublic.com | Five Linux desktop distributions with a great future - TechRepublic | Jul 15 13:12 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines IBM Chasing $20B Linux Server Market With Power | Jul 15 13:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eweek.com | IBM Chasing $20B Linux Server Market With Power Systems | Jul 15 13:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 4MLinux 13.1 Distro Enters Beta Stage with | Jul 15 13:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | 4MLinux 13.1 Distro Enters Beta Stage with LibreOffice 5.0, Firefox 38, and Chrome 43 - Softpedia | Jul 15 13:21 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines NetworkManager 1.0.4 Is a Massive Release with | Jul 15 13:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Lots of IPv6 Improvements | Jul 15 13:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | NetworkManager 1.0.4 Is a Massive Release with Lots of IPv6 Improvements - Softpedia | Jul 15 13:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-5 Has Been Delayed Until July | Jul 15 13:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 20, OTA-6 Planning Continues | Jul 15 13:21 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Alpine Linux 3.2.2 Server-Oriented Distro Gets | Jul 15 13:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | the Latest Linux Kernel 3.18.18 LTS | Jul 15 13:23 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition First Impressions, | Jul 15 13:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Exceeding Expectations http://t.co/lhnPj4ih4E | Jul 15 13:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition First Impressions, Exceeding Expectations - Softpedia | Jul 15 13:23 | |
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| oiaohm | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTg3NjQ For those who don't check lines of code systemd is more a kay project than anyone else by lines of code in it. | Jul 15 13:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Systemd Development Skyrocketed This Year - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/jab95 ] | Jul 15 13:36 | |
| __martin__ | oiaohm: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Systemd_components.svg/720px-Systemd_components.svg.png | Jul 15 13:45 |
| MinceR | kay is at least as much an idiot as poettering | Jul 15 13:46 |
| __martin__ | "Kay = Lead/Primary Developer, GregKH = Kernel Liason / Kay's Kernel Babysitter" - Phoronix Forums | Jul 15 13:47 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Key has written over 50 percent of the code if you flow it back. | Jul 15 13:48 |
| MinceR | gregkh is also the primary apologist for the windowsification of the kernel | Jul 15 13:48 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: interesting point is poettering has written most of the documentation. | Jul 15 13:49 |
| MinceR | did he also write most of the code comments? :> | Jul 15 13:49 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: more than Kay did. | Jul 15 13:50 |
| oiaohm | If I have a problem with a particular developer in systemd it Kay. | Jul 15 13:50 |
| MinceR | at least kay has enough sense to not speak publicly that much | Jul 15 13:51 |
| oiaohm | The document writer kinda has to speak publicly to find out what needs to be documented. | Jul 15 13:51 |
| MinceR | redcrap listens to the public about as much as canonical does | Jul 15 13:52 |
| MinceR | (i.e. not at all) | Jul 15 13:52 |
| oiaohm | When it comes to documentation they listen to public because they hope it reduces phone calls. | Jul 15 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Remember redhat support contracts they make the money if you ring or not. | Jul 15 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Of course they make less if you ring. | Jul 15 13:52 |
| MinceR | if they cared about the number of phone calls, they wouldn't make this mess called systemd | Jul 15 13:52 |
| MinceR | the whole point is to make everyone dependent on their support | Jul 15 13:53 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: no sysvinit and upstart were generating there stack of phone calls. | Jul 15 13:53 |
| MinceR | from the NSA? | Jul 15 13:54 |
| oiaohm | systvinit with PID service tracking failing and upstart ptrace tracking of services breaking stuff was not good fun. | Jul 15 13:54 |
| MinceR | "there are not enough vulnerabilities in the kernel, sysvinit and upstart, please do something about it!" | Jul 15 13:54 |
| MinceR | good thing systemd's failure modes are good fun, right? | Jul 15 13:55 |
| oiaohm | sorry there are vulnerablies in not being able to give services unique /tmp directories and other things. | Jul 15 13:55 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Note I am not saying systemd is perfect. | Jul 15 13:55 |
| oiaohm | The reality is redhat motivation was that the existing was broken. | Jul 15 13:55 |
| MinceR | it's not like systemd's the only way to have unique tmp directories | Jul 15 13:55 |
| MinceR | no, i doubt that's valid motivation for making something that's a thousand times more broken | Jul 15 13:56 |
| MinceR | the existing being not broken enough, on the other hand... | Jul 15 13:56 |
| oiaohm | The middle ground was make something like openrc | Jul 15 13:56 |
| oiaohm | Of course I think redhat did not plan out required key features well enough. | Jul 15 13:57 |
| MinceR | depends on what their goal is | Jul 15 13:57 |
| MinceR | if it's to become SCO #2 and kill unix for m$, they're doing well | Jul 15 13:57 |
| MinceR | if it's to spread dave cutler's "I Hate Unix Principle Of OS Design", they're doing well | Jul 15 13:58 |
| oiaohm | Have you not looked over this . http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTg3NjQ | Jul 15 13:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Systemd Development Skyrocketed This Year - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/jab95 ] | Jul 15 13:59 | |
| oiaohm | Sorry to say systemd does not agree with dave cutlers "I Hate Unix Principle Of OS Design" | Jul 15 13:59 |
| oiaohm | Question MinceR is wayland designed for multiseat like X11 is?? Have you though about that ever. | Jul 15 14:00 |
| MinceR | i don't read moronix that much | Jul 15 14:00 |
| MinceR | i'm more concerned about whether wayland will ever match X11 in flexibility | Jul 15 14:00 |
| MinceR | 145935 < oiaohm> Sorry to say systemd does not agree with dave cutlers "I Hate Unix Principle Of OS Design" | Jul 15 14:00 |
| MinceR | yet they have binary logging | Jul 15 14:00 |
| MinceR | yet they openly attack the unix principles | Jul 15 14:01 |
| MinceR | yet they copy all sorts of design flaws from windows | Jul 15 14:01 |
| oiaohm | Point to example of one of those things MinceR | Jul 15 14:01 |
| MinceR | binary logging: journald | Jul 15 14:01 |
| MinceR | attack on unix principles: poettering's blog posts about ignoring posix and unix principles | Jul 15 14:01 |
| oiaohm | You are aware binary logging syslogs existed before journald | Jul 15 14:01 |
| MinceR | design flaws from windows: unrelated crap in systemd (like gummiboot, udev, a web server), dbus in the kernel | Jul 15 14:02 |
| MinceR | yes, on vms and winblows | Jul 15 14:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: solaris had has binary logging. | Jul 15 14:02 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Akademy 2015 Keynote: Matthias Kirschner | Jul 15 23:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dot.kde.org | Akademy 2015 Keynote: Matthias Kirschner | KDE.news | Jul 15 23:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Planning for an "Atomic Workstation" | Jul 15 23:20 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nvidia Is Now Using a New Linux Kernel Module | Jul 15 23:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Source Layout http://t.co/cNzspRfoKW | Jul 15 23:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Nvidia Is Now Using a New Linux Kernel Module Source Layout | Tux Machines | Jul 15 23:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 Desktop Updates Bring Fixes for | Jul 15 23:21 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora Atomic Workstations in Planning Stages | Jul 15 23:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora Atomic Workstations in Planning Stages | Tux Machines | Jul 15 23:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines PC-BSD Releases Lumina Desktop 0.8.5 | Jul 15 23:21 |
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| msb__ | Divide the set of all possible Linux problems into two subsets: A. problems causing a corrupt system log B. All other problems | Jul 16 00:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Gets Full Shell Rotation with | Jul 16 00:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Latest Update and So Much More | Jul 16 00:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch Gets Full Shell Rotation with Latest Update and So Much More | Tux Machines | Jul 16 00:10 | |
| msb__ | A binary encrypted journal is only useful for the tiny subset A. For all other problems, an ASCII log that can be easily read by a variety of tools, some of which are likely to still be working, is vastly better. | Jul 16 00:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus Ditches Adobe Flash, Gets Boot Time Down | Jul 16 00:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Solus Ditches Adobe Flash, Gets Boot Time Down to 1.4 Seconds | Tux Machines | Jul 16 00:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines This Android-based mini-PC could cost less than | Jul 16 00:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | a dinner for two http://t.co/GbX0HQKkbX | Jul 16 00:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | This Android-based mini-PC could cost less than a dinner for two | Tux Machines | Jul 16 00:11 | |
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| msb__ | This is the reason for making everything ASCII human-readable that it's reasonable to do. It make troubleshooting much easier! | Jul 16 00:12 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jul 16 00:13 |
| MinceR | it also reduces the effect of corruption | Jul 16 00:13 |
| msb__ | And even if there is corruption, the person reading the log may notice inconsistencies, etc. | Jul 16 00:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Phone gains landscape support, paves way | Jul 16 00:28 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Tablet designed for America’s prisons | Jul 16 00:28 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat pushing hard beyond Linux in the data | Jul 16 01:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com | Red Hat pushing hard beyond Linux in the data center | Network World | Jul 16 01:33 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nvidia Is Now Using a New Linux Kernel Module | Jul 16 01:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Source Layout http://t.co/72UI1LRtOL | Jul 16 01:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Nvidia Is Now Using a New Linux Kernel Module Source Layout - Softpedia | Jul 16 01:33 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 Desktop Updates Bring Fixes for | Jul 16 01:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu 15.10 Desktop Updates Bring Fixes for Mir Backend - Softpedia | Jul 16 01:33 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Gets Full Shell Rotation with | Jul 16 01:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Latest Update and So Much More | Jul 16 01:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch Gets Full Shell Rotation with Latest Update and So Much More - Softpedia | Jul 16 01:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus Ditches Adobe Flash, Gets Boot Time Down | Jul 16 01:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Solus Ditches Adobe Flash, Gets Boot Time Down to 1.4 Seconds - Softpedia | Jul 16 01:35 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A Grooveshark-Alternative Music Player For | Jul 16 12:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu Touch Is Under Development | Jul 16 12:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net | A Grooveshark-Alternative Music Player For Ubuntu Touch Is Under Development | LinuxG.net | Jul 16 12:23 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | State Disk (SSD) http://t.co/WxjNlquT8A | Jul 16 12:23 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/621643758451474432 | Jul 16 12:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz their stance on criticism is reminiscent of Apple's, albeit less strident. Apple folks do it with religious fervor | Jul 16 12:34 | |
| schestowitz | Canonical and Mozilla | Jul 16 12:34 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines SteamOS 2.25 "Brewmaster" Based on Debian 8 | Jul 16 12:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Gets Linux Kernel Update and More | Jul 16 12:42 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | discounts http://t.co/D9XWo66Bp8 | Jul 16 12:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Crusader Kings II Gets a Huge 80% Price Cut on Steam for Linux - Softpedia | Jul 16 12:42 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A look at what's on the horizon for LibreOffice | Jul 16 12:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ZV90ax7opX (opensource.com) "I | Jul 16 12:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | returned to using a Linux desktop" | Jul 16 12:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com | Interview with Italo Vignoli, The Document Foundation | Opensource.com | Jul 16 12:42 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Don't Expect Much from Intel Compute Stick with | Jul 16 12:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu, Windows Version Is Terrible | Jul 16 12:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Don't Expect Much from Intel Compute Stick with Ubuntu, Windows Version Is Terrible - Softpedia | Jul 16 12:42 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/shivergames/status/621647538433748992 | Jul 16 12:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@shivergames: Could be true.. https://t.co/nund6M82o8 | Jul 16 12:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Lucius II Adventure Game Is Coming to Linux http://t.co/BnZQV1hUbq #games #gnu #linux | Jul 16 12:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6349113 | Jul 16 13:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: The best Linux distributions for beginners http://www.pcworld.com/article/2947333/operating-systems/the-best-linux-distributions-for-beginners.html | Jul 16 13:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.pcworld.com | The best Linux distributions for beginners | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/n4v8h ] | Jul 16 13:04 | |
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| msb__ | distrowatch poll on systemd: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150713#poll | Jul 16 14:23 |
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| msb__ | The poll seems closed to me, but maybe that's because I already voted and it installed a cookie. | Jul 16 14:24 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Tell all your friends! http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150713#poll | Jul 16 14:25 |
| MinceR | the people i know who care already knew about it | Jul 16 14:26 |
| oiaohm | The split is what I expected. | Jul 16 14:41 |
| oiaohm | Like it or not a percentage like systemd | Jul 16 14:41 |
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| cubexyz | you should be able to use the init system you want | Jul 16 15:42 |
| cubexyz | it should be interchangeable, just like the shell: bash, csh, ksh, etc | Jul 16 15:42 |
| cubexyz | 43% avoid systemd and 11% who are using it dislike it, so the majority actually doesn't like it | Jul 16 15:44 |
| cubexyz | and you got 10% of fence sitters | Jul 16 15:44 |
| cubexyz | well, one good thing about all this is that people are going to become more knowledgeable about init systems | Jul 16 15:46 |
| oiaohm | Really the fact people have been ingorning the init systems defects has been a major problem. | Jul 16 15:57 |
| oiaohm | So if systemd ends up replaced but it causes people to serousally look at the problem its been a good thing. | Jul 16 15:57 |
| cubexyz | sure | Jul 16 15:58 |
| oiaohm | Compared to some of the older servyes more uses are willing to use it now. | Jul 16 15:58 |
| oiaohm | Question is how many in the avoid systemd are just hate it because its new. | Jul 16 15:59 |
| oiaohm | On my segmented partition system systemd now at long last boots without tweaking. | Jul 16 16:00 |
| msb__ | And how many in the like/tolerate groups will end up hating it when they find out how and how much it's damaging Linux. | Jul 16 16:01 |
| oiaohm | msb__: you have to remember I hate systemd more when it first came out and it was single partition or nothing. | Jul 16 16:02 |
| cubexyz | in antix: apt-get remove systemd | Jul 16 16:03 |
| oiaohm | Now it handles / /usr /var ..... all broken into independant partitions. | Jul 16 16:03 |
| oiaohm | Worse a evil hack forwarding a section of /var to /home | Jul 16 16:03 |
| cubexyz | so the init system actually was easily changed in that case | Jul 16 16:03 |
| oiaohm | Yes I design the test bed system as a breaker | Jul 16 16:03 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: you're only one person. People are gradually finding out how systemd violates imporant engineering principles. | Jul 16 16:03 |
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| cubexyz | intel boot guard may be a bigger problem | Jul 16 16:04 |
| msb__ | Both are major attempts to sabotage free software. | Jul 16 16:04 |
| msb__ | Also kde4/5. | Jul 16 16:05 |
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| oiaohm | msb__: You have to remember sysvinit also broke important engineering principles. | Jul 16 16:05 |
| oiaohm | Never design something you cannot stop. | Jul 16 16:05 |
| msb__ | The murders for profit and power of millions of people should convince us that there is real, powerful, _evil_ going on in the world. | Jul 16 16:06 |
| oiaohm | msb__: so yes systemd might break things but existing inits were already breaking a lot. | Jul 16 16:06 |
| oiaohm | I still remember early on when systemd developers said they would not support segmented systems at all. | Jul 16 16:07 |
| oiaohm | So what systemd is has evolved. | Jul 16 16:07 |
| msb__ | Most people have never had a problem with sysvinit. But systemd already violates the principles of human-readable datafiles, avoidance of interdependence, avoidance of mission creep, etc.-- from the beginning! | Jul 16 16:09 |
| cubexyz | I've seen quasijarus with good uptime | Jul 16 16:09 |
| cubexyz | so microvax with sysvinit, over 200 days | Jul 16 16:09 |
| cubexyz | and I'm sure others have run it longer than that | Jul 16 16:09 |
| msb__ | The only times my system goes down is when firefox depletes some X resource, or a power failure. | Jul 16 16:11 |
| cubexyz | I've seen X run for over a year | Jul 16 16:11 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: what about the ones that did not get good uptimes. | Jul 16 16:11 |
| oiaohm | Its very easy to have rose colored glasses with this problem. | Jul 16 16:12 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, sure hardware problems are always possible | Jul 16 16:12 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: No I mean software problems. | Jul 16 16:12 |
| msb__ | I think firefox has stopped doing it (it never crashed the kernel, only X and the DE). So now it's only powerfailures, which are about 5 months apart. | Jul 16 16:12 |
| oiaohm | Where services have crashed and sysvinit fails restarting them. | Jul 16 16:12 |
| oiaohm | Like important services like the ssh for remote access to control it. | Jul 16 16:12 |
| cubexyz | i'm sshing to fc1 right now | Jul 16 16:13 |
| cubexyz | currently at 250 days | Jul 16 16:13 |
| cubexyz | fc1 has..... sysvinit :) | Jul 16 16:13 |
| oiaohm | If ssh server gets hit and goes down. | Jul 16 16:13 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit will be unable to restarted it some cases. | Jul 16 16:13 |
| cubexyz | I've been logged in 24/7 for over 8 months | Jul 16 16:14 |
| cubexyz | plus you can imagine how long I've ran fc1 | Jul 16 16:14 |
| oiaohm | Has your computer been exposed to internet with hostile attacks. | Jul 16 16:14 |
| cubexyz | yes | Jul 16 16:14 |
| cubexyz | since 2004 | Jul 16 16:14 |
| cubexyz | that's a pretty good field test :) | Jul 16 16:14 |
| oiaohm | Were you lucking to avoid all the ssh bugs that crashed servers since then so locking you out. | Jul 16 16:15 |
| oiaohm | services | Jul 16 16:15 |
| oiaohm | This is the problem sysvinit and hacks to keep services up and runnign have not been working correctly. | Jul 16 16:15 |
| oiaohm | openrc should have been done years ago. | Jul 16 16:16 |
| oiaohm | Do be correct decades ago. | Jul 16 16:16 |
| oiaohm | Do/To | Jul 16 16:16 |
| oiaohm | Claiming it works for me there is no problem does not really cut it. | Jul 16 16:16 |
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| msb__ | I would rather have the computer crash once or twice a year and have to reboot it, than have the entire OS and many of the apps contaminated and churned by something as ugly and evil as systemd. | Jul 16 16:17 |
| oiaohm | msb__: have you looked at openrc | Jul 16 16:18 |
| msb__ | don't need to | Jul 16 16:18 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, the failures I have experienced in the last 10 years were all logged and mostly due to hardware failing | Jul 16 16:18 |
| cubexyz | wart wall failure on router was one | Jul 16 16:18 |
| cubexyz | wart wall failure on DSL modem | Jul 16 16:19 |
| cubexyz | the DSL service itself failed due to DSLAM problem | Jul 16 16:19 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: N + 1 server setups done correctly the most common nasty failure is not hardware but management software being bricked. | Jul 16 16:19 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: do you mean "wall wart" or do you have an entire wall full of warts? | Jul 16 16:20 |
| cubexyz | haha, oops | Jul 16 16:20 |
| cubexyz | wall wart :) | Jul 16 16:20 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, I think if X was to fail and I was using konsole + ssh that ssh would also fail | Jul 16 16:21 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: hosted servers are not running X in most cases. | Jul 16 16:21 |
| cubexyz | but sshd failing on the server? I haven't seen that | Jul 16 16:22 |
| oiaohm | I have so these days I have more than 1 way in. | Jul 16 16:22 |
| msb__ | BTW, X was being crashed by Firefox because I have about 500 tabs open in it. | Jul 16 16:22 |
| oiaohm | msb__: I have a very simple issue with sysvinit. Completely how does sysvinit tell if a service is still running. | Jul 16 16:23 |
| oiaohm | Yes it created a PID file. | Jul 16 16:23 |
| oiaohm | One problem PID numbers in modern Linux systems get recycled. | Jul 16 16:23 |
| oiaohm | Very old unix they were unique once used numbers. | Jul 16 16:24 |
| msb__ | But I think since the last update or two FF only loads tabs that are visible, so it's a lot more stable. | Jul 16 16:24 |
| oiaohm | msb__: simple reality sysvinit is not Linux kernel compadible. | Jul 16 16:25 |
| oiaohm | openrc is atleast Linux kernel compadible. | Jul 16 16:25 |
| cubexyz | there's /var/run/sshd.pid and /var/lock/subsys/sshd | Jul 16 16:25 |
| cubexyz | at least on fc1 | Jul 16 16:25 |
| oiaohm | /var/lock/subsys/sshd may stay in place even if the service is dead. | Jul 16 16:25 |
| cubexyz | if sshd dies then the sysadmin should fix it | Jul 16 16:26 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: what if sshd is the sysadmin way in. | Jul 16 16:26 |
| cubexyz | ok, then time to take a trip :) | Jul 16 16:26 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Jul 16 16:27 |
| oiaohm | If you can put proper monitoring and proper restart ablity on sshd then sysadmin would not need to travel right cubexyz | Jul 16 16:27 |
| cubexyz | or as we talked about before, use another method to get in | Jul 16 16:27 |
| oiaohm | again each of those methods need to be validated. | Jul 16 16:27 |
| oiaohm | And need to be as strong as possible. | Jul 16 16:28 |
| msb__ | Poor sysadmin has to get out sometimes or he'll get stuck to his chair. | Jul 16 16:28 |
| oiaohm | msb__: Poor sysadmin do get out these days and do maintaince from a android device while away on holidays. | Jul 16 16:29 |
| cubexyz | if there's some major failure someone has to go to the server to check it anyway | Jul 16 16:29 |
| cubexyz | e.g. if the hard drive fails | Jul 16 16:29 |
| cubexyz | that's just maintainance | Jul 16 16:29 |
| cubexyz | nothing is 100% | Jul 16 16:29 |
| oiaohm | N+1 setups quite a few harddrives can fail before staff has to go to site to address it. | Jul 16 16:29 |
| oiaohm | N+1 hardware failure is not hey we need you their in the next 5 min to restore services. | Jul 16 16:30 |
| msb__ | My machine is strictly single user, so maybe these extremely low-probability daemon failures would happen more on other machines. | Jul 16 16:30 |
| oiaohm | msb__: the more machines you are running the more likely one of these deamon failures will happpen to you. | Jul 16 16:31 |
| msb__ | But there are plenty of huge Linux servers using sysvinit, so maybe not. | Jul 16 16:31 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly msb__ | Jul 16 16:31 |
| oiaohm | Google and facebook use something closer to openrc | Jul 16 16:31 |
| msb__ | What about google and imdb? | Jul 16 16:31 |
| msb__ | And amazon. | Jul 16 16:31 |
| oiaohm | amazon is also containers around services. | Jul 16 16:32 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/icewm-with-konsole.png | Jul 16 16:32 |
| cubexyz | see those coloured tabs at the bottom? | Jul 16 16:32 |
| oiaohm | Just each of these have been hacking on contianer wrapping desing individuallly msb__ | Jul 16 16:32 |
| cubexyz | all different computers, logged in via ssh | Jul 16 16:32 |
| cubexyz | so I'm always using ssh and sshd | Jul 16 16:32 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: tell me when that gets to 8 deep | Jul 16 16:33 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: that is in fact how many my computer can be connected to at one time. | Jul 16 16:33 |
| oiaohm | Full across and requiring 8 windows. | Jul 16 16:34 |
| cubexyz | ok, but you're probably using more than one server? | Jul 16 16:34 |
| cubexyz | more than one sshd server | Jul 16 16:34 |
| oiaohm | Manging a processing cluster | Jul 16 16:34 |
| oiaohm | If you count it by cases on floor its 1 server. | Jul 16 16:35 |
| oiaohm | But its like 8000 individual machines inside. | Jul 16 16:35 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: so can you change "sysvinit" into just a link to openrc and have the thing work? | Jul 16 16:36 |
| msb__ | Or just change the executable if links aren't working that early? | Jul 16 16:37 |
| oiaohm | openrc wraps cgroups around services so yes now you can restart services dependably when they decide to fail 10 to 15 min functionality tests. | Jul 16 16:37 |
| oiaohm | msb__: basically openrc or systemd will solve my worst problem. | Jul 16 16:38 |
| oiaohm | Of services not restarting. | Jul 16 16:38 |
| msb__ | Not what I asked. Is openrc a 100% dropin replacement for sysvinit? | Jul 16 16:38 |
| oiaohm | There are some minor differences at times. | Jul 16 16:38 |
| oiaohm | due to services being container wrapped. | Jul 16 16:38 |
| cubexyz | what does Minix use these days? | Jul 16 16:39 |
| cubexyz | ha, probably no one is using it | Jul 16 16:39 |
| oiaohm | msb__: openrc is very close to sysvinit. Basically it as close as you can get to sysvinit under Linux and have proper process tracking so you can restart services. | Jul 16 16:40 |
| msb__ | This is all a matter of probabilities. Somebody could say to me, "Your house is not compatible with human life because it could get hit by a meteor. You need to live in a concrete bunker with walls 3 feet thick." | Jul 16 16:42 |
| oiaohm | If you want a house example. sysvinit is a house without a fusebox | Jul 16 16:43 |
| oiaohm | and the people inside are using electricity. | Jul 16 16:43 |
| msb__ | I am talking quantitatively about probabilities. | Jul 16 16:44 |
| oiaohm | msb__: people around the world live in houses with electricity without a fusebox and live remember. | Jul 16 16:44 |
| oiaohm | So its not a 100 percent death risk. | Jul 16 16:44 |
| cubexyz | I suppose if sshd got overloaded somehow it would have to be restarted | Jul 16 16:45 |
| msb__ | I guess the chance of a daemon croaking is greater than the chance of a meteor hit, but I have tripped a breaker several times in the last 15 years (by accidently running the air conditioner and the microwave at the same time). | Jul 16 16:45 |
| oiaohm | msb__: think if you did not have a breaker. | Jul 16 16:46 |
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| oiaohm | You could be one of those unlucky ones in countries without proper electrical that end up dead msb__ | Jul 16 16:46 |
| cubexyz | couldn't you have a monitor program watching sshd? | Jul 16 16:46 |
| msb__ | But my Linux has only failed from hardware/powerloss, very old kmail, firefox. | Jul 16 16:46 |
| cubexyz | then if sshd truly failed, the sshd monitor could re-activate it | Jul 16 16:47 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: monitor program would have to start before sshd to be able track it processes to be able kill it all. | Jul 16 16:47 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: then you have the problem what happens if the monitor program croaks it. | Jul 16 16:47 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: ie why placing in a cgroup is such a good idea. | Jul 16 16:47 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, then the sysadmin has to fix it :) | Jul 16 16:47 |
| cubexyz | you can't say systemd is going to make sshd always work | Jul 16 16:48 |
| oiaohm | Under systemd if you put a test program in timer/cron jobs it can restart. | Jul 16 16:48 |
| msb__ | I don't even want the added complication of cgroups on my system to fix a problem I haven't had in FIFTEEN YEARS. | Jul 16 16:49 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit big problem is the failure to be able to 100 percent of the time restart services. | Jul 16 16:49 |
| oiaohm | msb__: same arguement as what happens in countries without fuse boxes. | Jul 16 16:49 |
| oiaohm | msb__: some of those say 60 years but it the same arguement. | Jul 16 16:50 |
| msb__ | No, then your house can burn down. I only have to reboot my computer. | Jul 16 16:50 |
| oiaohm | msb__: exactly what is the computer controlling. | Jul 16 16:50 |
| cubexyz | ok, how about this idea... | Jul 16 16:50 |
| cubexyz | you have two servers, beside each other | Jul 16 16:51 |
| msb__ | So quantitatively and statistically by expectation, it is NOT the same argument. | Jul 16 16:51 |
| oiaohm | msb__: the stats of failure is about the same. | Jul 16 16:51 |
| cubexyz | one server is connected to the other by parallel port, serial port, usb port whatever | Jul 16 16:51 |
| cubexyz | then you can sshd into the 2nd server and use the serial terminal to fix the first server | Jul 16 16:51 |
| oiaohm | msb__: the death rate from not having a fuse box compared to having a fuse box is a 1 in 2 million difference. | Jul 16 16:51 |
| cubexyz | so multiple ways to get in | Jul 16 16:51 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: Wrong. The death rate from having to reboot my computer is ZERO. | Jul 16 16:52 |
| oiaohm | msb__: not everyone using electricity will be taking any risks with it. | Jul 16 16:52 |
| oiaohm | So there death rate risk might also be zero. | Jul 16 16:52 |
| oiaohm | this is why your arguement does not really hold ground. | Jul 16 16:53 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: Yes I have uses serial port control solutions in the past to get around some of these problems. But agian that is depending on the sgetty to be up correctly. | Jul 16 16:54 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: this is classic murphy if you are not checking it the bugger will fail on you sometimes in combination. | Jul 16 16:54 |
| msb__ | My argument is that I have never had a daemon failure in 15 years of 24/7 computer operation. So I have no need to complicate my system to prevent it. | Jul 16 16:54 |
| oiaohm | msb__: that is the same arguement as those who have used electrictity for 60 + years without issue without a fuse box. | Jul 16 16:55 |
| msb__ | No, then your house can burn down. I only have to reboot my computer. | Jul 16 16:55 |
| oiaohm | msb__: there are other options to using cgroups to copy what BSD does for example but that requires a kernel mode. | Jul 16 16:55 |
| oiaohm | kernel mode alteration. | Jul 16 16:56 |
| oiaohm | msb__: exactly how do you think not having a fuse box can allow you house to burn down. | Jul 16 16:56 |
| oiaohm | msb__: ever heard of fusable links. | Jul 16 16:56 |
| oiaohm | Called using small enough wire that it fails safely first. | Jul 16 16:57 |
| msb__ | My argument is that I have never had a daemon failure in 15 years of 24/7 computer operation. So I have no need to complicate my system to prevent it. | Jul 16 16:57 |
| oiaohm | Of course that does not mean people without a manated fuse box will do that stuff correctly. | Jul 16 16:58 |
| msb__ | Fuses have nothing to do with it. | Jul 16 16:58 |
| oiaohm | msb__: are you the only use of the Linux Distrobution. The answer is no. | Jul 16 16:58 |
| oiaohm | In most cases. | Jul 16 16:58 |
| msb__ | What? | Jul 16 16:58 |
| oiaohm | A Linux Distrobution has to service a comunity this means considering all the usage cases of the comunity. | Jul 16 16:59 |
| oiaohm | Same way houses have fuse boxes. | Jul 16 16:59 |
| oiaohm | So somethings have to be done for the greater good even if not everyone in the comunity truly requires it. | Jul 16 17:00 |
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| oiaohm | msb__: basically sysvinit is good enough is not going to cut it with any distrobution and never can. | Jul 16 17:01 |
| msb__ | For decades it already has. | Jul 16 17:01 |
| oiaohm | Really no it has not. Broken crap like restartd to assist sysvinit would have never been coded if it worked. | Jul 16 17:02 |
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| oiaohm | There is a long list of hacks to attempt to make sysvinit work msb__ that have all failed to achive it. | Jul 16 17:03 |
| oiaohm | msb__: http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html is a classic. | Jul 16 17:03 |
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| oiaohm | Lets run all our services under deamontools lets avoid using sysvinit script because they don't work basically. | Jul 16 17:04 |
| oiaohm | So now you have a system running sysvinit and deamontools. Great so what one started the service that is now not working. | Jul 16 17:04 |
| oiaohm | I don't think I am asking for too much to have a init system that can start and track services so I don't have to stick third party crap on top of it all the time. | Jul 16 17:06 |
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| msb__ | oiaohm: You are confusing "does not work" with "works fine for fifteen years" | Jul 16 17:07 |
| oiaohm | msb__: No I am not | Jul 16 17:07 |
| msb__ | You can ask for and have whatever you want. What I want is simplicity. | Jul 16 17:07 |
| oiaohm | In the last 15 years of my usage it has broken on me. | Jul 16 17:07 |
| oiaohm | And I am not alone. | Jul 16 17:07 |
| msb__ | Then get something different from what I want. | Jul 16 17:08 |
| oiaohm | Also people miss place blame as well. | Jul 16 17:08 |
| oiaohm | Have you had network-manager issues. | Jul 16 17:08 |
| msb__ | No. | Jul 16 17:08 |
| oiaohm | I guess you have been lucky enough not to have cups lost with a print job. | Jul 16 17:09 |
| oiaohm | There are so many ways services in background can go south and ruin you day. | Jul 16 17:10 |
| oiaohm | Poor tracking makes it hard to see. | Jul 16 17:10 |
| msb__ | If losing a print job would ruin my day then I would have mental problems. | Jul 16 17:11 |
| oiaohm | No that is not losing a print job. | Jul 16 17:11 |
| oiaohm | That is running out of tmp space because it gone into a processing loop. | Jul 16 17:11 |
| oiaohm | So by your response you have not had that one yet. | Jul 16 17:13 |
| msb__ | So, I'll look at my system or disk monitor program, figure out what ate all the temp space, kill it and delete the temp files. | Jul 16 17:13 |
| oiaohm | msb__: not exactly that great when it printer script saying python | Jul 16 17:15 |
| msb__ | If I can't do that, I'll reboot, and if it won't reboot I'll use a rescue disk. | Jul 16 17:15 |
| oiaohm | No reboot in this case fails. | Jul 16 17:15 |
| oiaohm | while cups has the print job it will attempt to process it. | Jul 16 17:15 |
| oiaohm | So reboot you will die again. | Jul 16 17:15 |
| msb__ | So I will kill cups. Thank goodness I don't have an init program that will restart it! | Jul 16 17:16 |
| oiaohm | msb__: how will you know it cups. | Jul 16 17:17 |
| oiaohm | Nothing about the process name creating the mess has to say cups. | Jul 16 17:17 |
| msb__ | look at names of latest tmp files | Jul 16 17:17 |
| msb__ | See who they belong to. | Jul 16 17:18 |
| oiaohm | This is the problem without tracking debugging the random pricks is hard. | Jul 16 17:18 |
| msb__ | How is my hard prick involved here? | Jul 16 17:18 |
| oiaohm | No that is guessing. | Jul 16 17:19 |
| oiaohm | There is nothing to say cups it self will have created a temp file. | Jul 16 17:19 |
| oiaohm | Yes starting the program creating the temp file to process the file for printing. | Jul 16 17:20 |
| oiaohm | But not in fact having to do anything itself. | Jul 16 17:20 |
| oiaohm | This is why you need tracking. | Jul 16 17:20 |
| oiaohm | Of course the pain could be coming from mysql, postesql.... and the list goes on. | Jul 16 17:20 |
| oiaohm | As these provide means to reach out and run custom applications. | Jul 16 17:21 |
| msb__ | I'm an engineer. I like troubleshooting. | Jul 16 17:21 |
| oiaohm | Problem is rebooting in every case that is a event happening is that you have not fixed the event from happening again. | Jul 16 17:22 |
| msb__ | I would just kill the latest huge file in /tmp. | Jul 16 17:22 |
| msb__ | Yeah, but it would take long enoug to fill up GBs of disk that I could see who was doing it. | Jul 16 17:23 |
| msb__ | "top" would show who is using cpu | Jul 16 17:24 |
| oiaohm | You are missing it. | Jul 16 17:24 |
| oiaohm | Finding who is doing it is not the problem. | Jul 16 17:24 |
| oiaohm | It finding who gave the order todo it is the problem. | Jul 16 17:24 |
| msb__ | Sure it is. Then I can kill it. Make it unexecutable if I have to. | Jul 16 17:25 |
| oiaohm | Until you get the one that gave the order todo it the problem will keep on happening. | Jul 16 17:25 |
| msb__ | Yesterday I figured out why procmail was rejecting some valid list mail. It was subtle. | Jul 16 17:26 |
| msb__ | Not if the one eating the space is unexecutable. | Jul 16 17:26 |
| oiaohm | But you knew you were looking a procmail right. | Jul 16 17:26 |
| oiaohm | msb__: you missed I said the process was reporting as like python or bash. | Jul 16 17:27 |
| oiaohm | So something generic that if you set it unexecutable you have broken a hell load. | Jul 16 17:27 |
| msb__ | Python I can do without for a while. Bash, I'd have to be clever. | Jul 16 17:28 |
| oiaohm | Of course the worst part about Linux process table is the reported command line can be a complete lie | Jul 16 17:28 |
| oiaohm | Its not that I don't have enginering background to fall back on msb__ | Jul 16 17:29 |
| msb__ | I have 133 bashes running. So I could see which one is using the most cycles and look at its PPID. | Jul 16 17:30 |
| oiaohm | msb__: I would prefer not to have to be clever and do like I do under bsd look at the tty that a service cannot change that has been assigned and locate it or look at the cgroup and locate it. | Jul 16 17:30 |
| oiaohm | PPID in Linux process table can be broken loss. | Jul 16 17:30 |
| msb__ | I am nearly 70 years old and have been three kinds of engineer. I _like_ being clever. Even having to be clever. | Jul 16 17:31 |
| oiaohm | So looking at the PPID does not have to lead you back to parrent. | Jul 16 17:31 |
| msb__ | It's gonna lead somewhere. | Jul 16 17:31 |
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| msb__ | lsof can be helpful too. | Jul 16 17:31 |
| oiaohm | Managing servers lots of you should learn attempting to be too clever is ways to get it burt. KISS idea comes first. | Jul 16 17:34 |
| oiaohm | msb__: ps -o cgroup <pid> and under openrc and systemd this tells you straight way what service/user started it. | Jul 16 17:35 |
| oiaohm | msb__: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/programming-9/how-to-make-ppid-of-a-process-as-init-without-killing-its-parent-267301/ | Jul 16 17:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxquestions.org | how to make ppid of a process as init without killing its parent [ http://ur1.ca/n50cp ] | Jul 16 17:38 | |
| oiaohm | Yes msb__ does not take much of a screw up to end up with your problem script reporting a PPID of 1 not what in fact started everything. | Jul 16 17:39 |
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| MinceR | afaik the "find out whether the service has started successfully" problem is not as solved as redcrap would have you believe | Jul 16 17:45 |
| MinceR | (neither is automatically restarting a failed service always a good idea) | Jul 16 17:45 |
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| msb__ | The chance of the govt murdering me because of my website (cosmicpenguin.com) is probably greater than the chance of my having these service problems, but if I do I'll remember your advice. | Jul 16 17:47 |
| msb__ | Oops, oiaohm has buggered off. | Jul 16 17:47 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 16 17:47 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Damn right. If I kill something I want it to stay dead until and unless I manually restart it. | Jul 16 17:49 |
| MinceR | "you keep what you kill." | Jul 16 17:49 |
| MinceR | more importantly, having a service die and restart may well be a component of an exploit | Jul 16 17:49 |
| MinceR | generally, if a service does not run reliably, the preferred solution is to fix it, not keep restarting it | Jul 16 17:50 |
| msb__ | True and true. | Jul 16 17:50 |
| MinceR | there are only a few services (like *getty) that normally need restarting | Jul 16 17:50 |
| cubexyz | /sbin/init q | Jul 16 17:51 |
| MinceR | "just restart it" does fit well into the redhat/microsoft mindset, though | Jul 16 17:51 |
| MinceR | "just reboot", "just reinstall" | Jul 16 17:51 |
| cubexyz | I still run pre-sshd systems | Jul 16 17:51 |
| cubexyz | resource exhaustion is a bigger problem then sshd not restarting | Jul 16 17:52 |
| cubexyz | you need a sentient being watching stuff | Jul 16 17:52 |
| schestowitz | [17:47] <msb__> Oops, oiaohm has buggered off. | Jul 16 17:53 |
| schestowitz | he often does so without prior warning | Jul 16 17:53 |
| schestowitz | his style | Jul 16 17:53 |
| cubexyz | that's OK :) | Jul 16 17:53 |
| MinceR | i can sort of understand it | Jul 16 17:53 |
| msb__ | Where is he located? | Jul 16 17:53 |
| schestowitz | About half the IRC logs of #techrights are (these days) about systemd - like it or hate it, systemd is without doubt controversial | Jul 16 17:53 |
| MinceR | when you've gotta go, you've gotta go :) | Jul 16 17:53 |
| cubexyz | australia I think | Jul 16 17:53 |
| MinceR | i think so too | Jul 16 17:53 |
| schestowitz | I think it's an important fork in the road | Jul 16 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Debian surrendered already | Jul 16 17:53 |
| MinceR | i hope it results in cleaning up gnu/linux | Jul 16 17:53 |
| cubexyz | no one thinks like I do, so I understand | Jul 16 17:53 |
| cubexyz | different folks have different opinions | Jul 16 17:54 |
| MinceR | having the windows fanboys move to systemd/systemd-kernel | Jul 16 17:54 |
| schestowitz | I don't know it well enough to decide | Jul 16 17:54 |
| MinceR | and removing the poetteringware from gnu/linux | Jul 16 17:54 |
| schestowitz | I have it running on one of my systems | Jul 16 17:54 |
| schestowitz | and it's a friggin' snail | Jul 16 17:54 |
| schestowitz | not sure if relates to systemd | Jul 16 17:54 |
| cubexyz | to me Linux is just part of a continuum of operating systems | Jul 16 17:54 |
| schestowitz | more of a plasma5 issue, I choose to believe... | Jul 16 17:54 |
| schestowitz | I kill and restart plasma and kwin like 5 times a day | Jul 16 17:54 |
| cubexyz | ok, that sounds bad | Jul 16 17:55 |
| msb__ | Devuan seems to be going strong, and since that poll says about 50% of Linux users don't like or want systemd, I think we're gonna be ok. | Jul 16 17:55 |
| cubexyz | Linux is developer driven | Jul 16 17:55 |
| cubexyz | mostly | Jul 16 17:56 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: If a server fails, you normally want it to autorestart. | Jul 16 17:56 |
| XRevan86 | Restarting in systemd is configurable per-service. | Jul 16 17:56 |
| cubexyz | I thought my idea of a serial login was good | Jul 16 17:57 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Did you see the systemd poll? http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150713#poll | Jul 16 17:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. [ http://ur1.ca/n4z10 ] | Jul 16 17:57 | |
| MinceR | XRevan86: i think the default (at least in their mind) is to restart all the things | Jul 16 17:57 |
| cubexyz | coreboot logs stuff via the serial port on startup, before the OS even loads | Jul 16 17:57 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if that's necessarily a good idea | Jul 16 17:57 |
| MinceR | especially without limit | Jul 16 17:57 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's not. | Jul 16 17:57 |
| MinceR | i wonder if they implement a configurable counter and limit (and time limit) | Jul 16 17:58 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: They did. | Jul 16 17:58 |
| cubexyz | restart 100 times then give up :) | Jul 16 17:58 |
| MinceR | that's good, then | Jul 16 17:58 |
| msb__ | Except if it _is_ and exploit, you've run it 100 times. | Jul 16 17:59 |
| msb__ | and -> an | Jul 16 17:59 |
| MinceR | and of course it would be probably preferable to implement the restart functionality separately | Jul 16 17:59 |
| MinceR | or at least outside pid1 | Jul 16 17:59 |
| cubexyz | Minix is supposedly highly fault-tolerant | Jul 16 18:01 |
| cubexyz | 6000 lines of kernel code... much smaller than FreeBSD or Linux | Jul 16 18:02 |
| cubexyz | it has a "reincarnation server" that restarts crashes drivers | Jul 16 18:03 |
| cubexyz | if a driver goes into an infinite loop the kernel will stop it | Jul 16 18:03 |
| msb__ | OT: Just want to mention again the new TV series "Zoo" about animals getting suddenly more intelligent and attacking humans, in order to stop us from wrecking the planet. 3 episodes so far. | Jul 16 18:07 |
| MinceR | iirc minix1 is not multiserver and/or has drivers in the kernel | Jul 16 18:11 |
| MinceR | and minix3 might be bigger than that | Jul 16 18:11 |
| cubexyz | 6,000 lines in Minix3 | Jul 16 18:12 |
| MinceR | ic | Jul 16 18:12 |
| cubexyz | most server folks I've talked to are running Linux or FreeBSD | Jul 16 18:14 |
| cubexyz | some are using OpenBSD | Jul 16 18:15 |
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| cubexyz | I remember once that openbsd did something odd with sshd | Jul 16 18:59 |
| cubexyz | it locked up, no access via keyboard or ssh | Jul 16 18:59 |
| cubexyz | only pings worked | Jul 16 18:59 |
| cubexyz | I might still have that log where I talked about exactly what happend with an expert | Jul 16 19:01 |
| cubexyz | I've logged years of coreboot discussions | Jul 16 19:03 |
| cubexyz | it's probably in there somewhere | Jul 16 19:03 |
| MinceR | http://www.pcworld.com/article/2948092/security/hacking-teams-malware-uses-uefi-rootkit-to-survive-os-reinstalls.html | Jul 16 19:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com | Hacking Team's malware uses a UEFI rootkit to survive operating system reinstalls | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/n515n ] | Jul 16 19:06 | |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: You know this will be a pro-SecureBoot argument, right? | Jul 16 19:08 |
| MinceR | everything will be that | Jul 16 19:08 |
| MinceR | though this might be more relevant to intel boot guard | Jul 16 19:08 |
| cubexyz | socketed bios, with backed up images | Jul 16 19:09 |
| cubexyz | I've thought about that a lot | Jul 16 19:09 |
| MinceR | we need a completely free computer (free hardware, free software, free storage devices) | Jul 16 19:10 |
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| cubexyz | the damned irc logs don't log the year :-/ | Jul 16 19:11 |
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| cubexyz | well one good thing, if any future computer archeologist wants to know about coreboot, I've got it covered :) | Jul 16 19:13 |
| cubexyz | completely forgot I was still logging | Jul 16 19:13 |
| cubexyz | the years kept passin' but the server keeps loggin' | Jul 16 19:15 |
| cubexyz | Press F1 to continue | Jul 16 19:16 |
| cubexyz | ok... the explanation I got about openbsd was: | Jul 16 19:18 |
| cubexyz | "ssh getting stuck is usually an indication that the kernel is very bruised from an OOPS or driver crash" | Jul 16 19:19 |
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| cubexyz | it's possible Minix3.3 is actually the best OS maybe, but I'll have to test it and see how it does | Jul 16 19:39 |
| cubexyz | some of the ideas it has seem very good | Jul 16 19:39 |
| MinceR | good luck | Jul 16 19:40 |
| cubexyz | :) | Jul 16 19:40 |
| cubexyz | it's minimal enough for qemu I think | Jul 16 19:42 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/_sinisterBen/status/621727867743801344 | Jul 16 19:45 |
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| schestowitz | Lefty having problems LOL | Jul 16 19:47 |
| cubexyz | the man sounds ill | Jul 16 19:48 |
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| cubebsd | hey hey new OS dudes | Jul 16 19:50 |
| cubebsd | I've time travelled from the year 1997 | Jul 16 19:51 |
| cubebsd | irc from quasijarus on a new build | Jul 16 19:51 |
| MinceR | 6:) | Jul 16 19:52 |
| MinceR | s/6// | Jul 16 19:52 |
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| msb__ | " <MinceR> we need a completely free computer (free hardware, free software, free storage devices)" | Jul 16 20:10 |
| msb__ | MinceR: That would be very difficult. | Jul 16 20:11 |
| msb__ | We would be back at the level of the first IBM PC. | Jul 16 20:12 |
| cubexyz | not really | Jul 16 20:12 |
| cubexyz | we have the engineering diagrams of a lot of the DEC computers | Jul 16 20:13 |
| msb__ | The 8088 CPU, 1MB of RAM if we were lucky, and maybe a 15MB hard disk | Jul 16 20:13 |
| cubexyz | I think we can do a bit better than the IBM PC | Jul 16 20:13 |
| cubexyz | Microvax can handle 16 megs and run 4.3BSD | Jul 16 20:13 |
| msb__ | It would be very difficult to make a microvax chip. | Jul 16 20:14 |
| msb__ | wafer-fab equipment is extremely precise. | Jul 16 20:15 |
| cubexyz | well sure, it would be pretty hard to make any microprocessor | Jul 16 20:15 |
| msb__ | Likewise for hard drives. | Jul 16 20:15 |
| msb__ | We have to keep using the parts made by increasingly fascist capitalism, but turn them to our own usage. | Jul 16 20:16 |
| msb__ | Work around things like UEFI and secure-boot. | Jul 16 20:16 |
| msb__ | At least we can control the software. | Jul 16 20:16 |
| cubexyz | msb__, discrete transistors, but it would still be hard | Jul 16 20:17 |
| MinceR | msb__: we would have computers we could trust | Jul 16 20:17 |
| MinceR | without all this nasty fractal of black boxes full of back doors | Jul 16 20:17 |
| cubexyz | msb__, I was thinking more along the lines of salvaging a microvax, rather than recreating one | Jul 16 20:18 |
| cubexyz | it's got memory, it's got (pretty big) hard drive, it's well understood | Jul 16 20:18 |
| cubexyz | it's still VLSI tech of course | Jul 16 20:18 |
| msb__ | But they would be so expensive and require so much labor with discrete transistors that very few people could afford them. | Jul 16 20:18 |
| MinceR | rapid prototyping and additive manufacturing methods may yet help with that | Jul 16 20:19 |
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| cubexyz | since people are junking old computers, why not save some? | Jul 16 20:20 |
| cubexyz | much easier than recreation | Jul 16 20:20 |
| msb__ | "additive manufacturing methods" ? | Jul 16 20:20 |
| MinceR | just because a computer is old doesn't mean it's free of backdoors | Jul 16 20:20 |
| MinceR | msb__: 3d printing and stuff like that | Jul 16 20:20 |
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| cubexyz | well if you go back far enough, it won't have a backdoor :) | Jul 16 20:21 |
| MinceR | how will i know? | Jul 16 20:21 |
| cubexyz | we have commented bios for most of the DEC boxes | Jul 16 20:22 |
| cubexyz | 4.3BSD and any old unix you can build from source | Jul 16 20:22 |
| cubexyz | you even have the engineering diagrams | Jul 16 20:23 |
| msb__ | That's probably accurate to 1/10 mm. or so. VLSI of 2008 used 65nm. | Jul 16 20:24 |
| msb__ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very-large-scale_integration | Jul 16 20:24 |
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| cubexyz | early microvax was 1987 era | Jul 16 20:25 |
| msb__ | Why are you worried about backdoors? | Jul 16 20:26 |
| cubexyz | it's not 65nm, but I can't recall what they used back then | Jul 16 20:26 |
| msb__ | If the stormtroopers dislike you, they'll just smash in your door and shoot you. | Jul 16 20:27 |
| MinceR | the stormtroopers will find out why to dislike you by monitoring you through the backdoor | Jul 16 20:27 |
| cubexyz | more like 180 nm | Jul 16 20:27 |
| MinceR | and they'll find you through the backdoor | Jul 16 20:27 |
| msb__ | What we need is to get enough people sufficiently conscious to have a stable and equitable society. | Jul 16 20:28 |
| MinceR | that sounds futile | Jul 16 20:28 |
| cubexyz | sorry, actually I think early microvax was older than 180 nm | Jul 16 20:28 |
| MinceR | also, what will we do until then? | Jul 16 20:28 |
| cubexyz | more like 800 nm for 1987 | Jul 16 20:29 |
| msb__ | It may be, in which case humanity will perish like all the other intelligent species that should exist by the Drake Equation. | Jul 16 20:29 |
| cubexyz | and you can go back earlier, I was just thinking you'd want ethernet :) | Jul 16 20:29 |
| MinceR | or they do but they're hiding from the nastiest ones | Jul 16 20:30 |
| cubexyz | even early Pentium used 800 nm | Jul 16 20:30 |
| MinceR | the sort of thing humans would develop into if they didn't exterminate themselves first | Jul 16 20:30 |
| msb__ | Maybe. | Jul 16 20:30 |
| msb__ | Problem is, psychopathy is a very simple and obvious strategy for individual survival. | Jul 16 20:30 |
| msb__ | It will occur in every species that evolves intelligence. | Jul 16 20:31 |
| MinceR | i don't see how such a mental disorder would be inevitable | Jul 16 20:31 |
| msb__ | Because it is simple and effective. | Jul 16 20:32 |
| cubexyz | so when we talk about VLSI we are talking everything from 1984 until now | Jul 16 20:32 |
| cubexyz | that's quite a large spectrum | Jul 16 20:32 |
| msb__ | Destroy everyone who might want anything that you want. | Jul 16 20:32 |
| cubexyz | msb__, except civilization also requires co-operation | Jul 16 20:33 |
| msb__ | Sharks, black-widow spiders. | Jul 16 20:33 |
| MinceR | except society detects and handles most people with ASPD | Jul 16 20:33 |
| cubexyz | no one single person could have made a modern computer | Jul 16 20:33 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: yes, but cooperation is not something that genetic evolution selects for. | Jul 16 20:34 |
| msb__ | Unless psychopaths are not permitted to reproduce. | Jul 16 20:34 |
| cubexyz | we're not just the produces of genetics, we learn from the previous generations due to our ability to record information | Jul 16 20:35 |
| cubexyz | s/produces/products/ | Jul 16 20:35 |
| MinceR | evolution appears to have already selected for cooperation | Jul 16 20:35 |
| msb__ | but psychopaths, at least some of them, are genetic. | Jul 16 20:35 |
| msb__ | And the positions of power in the govt, corporations, and media are full of them. | Jul 16 20:36 |
| MinceR | those are still a small minority of all people | Jul 16 20:37 |
| msb__ | They are very good at taking power, and very good at appearing to be human. | Jul 16 20:37 |
| MinceR | most people don't have power | Jul 16 20:37 |
| cubexyz | old microvax: VLSI, NMOS, 5 mhz, 200 ns cycle time | Jul 16 20:37 |
| cubexyz | 125,00 transistors | Jul 16 20:37 |
| MinceR | from The Mask of Sanity, it seems to me that most psychopath would not be able to gain power | Jul 16 20:37 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mask_of_Sanity | Jul 16 20:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | The Mask of Sanity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/n51v5 ] | Jul 16 20:37 | |
| msb__ | MinceR: yes, but positions of power are full of psychopaths | Jul 16 20:38 |
| cubexyz | well you get rid of the old psychos since everyone dies | Jul 16 20:38 |
| cubexyz | then you get new psychos :) | Jul 16 20:38 |
| msb__ | But new ones are born. | Jul 16 20:38 |
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| cubexyz | I still marvel at VLSI technology | Jul 16 20:39 |
| msb__ | The "people" in the US govt that ordered the murders of 2,000,000+ people in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya, and the "people | Jul 16 20:39 |
| msb__ | who carried out the orders were/are psychopaths. | Jul 16 20:40 |
| msb__ | People in the US honor those in the military, when actually the latter are no better than Nazi soldiers. | Jul 16 20:41 |
| msb__ | Most people are living in The Matrix -- a false reality. | Jul 16 20:41 |
| msb__ | Waking people up to that has to be our highest priority. | Jul 16 20:42 |
| MinceR | seems to be an impossible mission | Jul 16 20:43 |
| msb__ | Then the human race will die. | Jul 16 20:43 |
| MinceR | the most successful religious memes prevent other memes from taking their place | Jul 16 20:43 |
| MinceR | indeed it will | Jul 16 20:43 |
| msb__ | In the US in the 1960s, a new culture began to form, largely due to cannabis, which helped people deprogram themselves. | Jul 16 20:44 |
| msb__ | Many of us knew this at the time. | Jul 16 20:45 |
| cubexyz | one doesn't really need to deprogram themselves, just think independently | Jul 16 20:45 |
| cubexyz | unless there part of some cult | Jul 16 20:45 |
| cubexyz | s/there/their/ | Jul 16 20:45 |
| msb__ | The monsters knew it, which is why they made cannabis as illegal as murder. | Jul 16 20:45 |
| MinceR | so not as illegal as copyright infringement? :> | Jul 16 20:46 |
| msb__ | People do need to be deprogrammed -- from patriotism, predatory capitalism, trusting the govt and corporate media, etc. | Jul 16 20:47 |
| MinceR | i suspect that most people are incapable of critical thinking and even marijuana won't necessarily enable them to do so | Jul 16 20:47 |
| msb__ | And from JCI religion, | Jul 16 20:47 |
| MinceR | maybe they can be taught to do so, maybe not | Jul 16 20:47 |
| msb__ | Critical thinking can be taught and learned. | Jul 16 20:47 |
| cubexyz | sure even a child starts to question Santa Claus after a certain age | Jul 16 20:47 |
| msb__ | It isn't complicated. | Jul 16 20:47 |
| MinceR | also, afaik hinduism isn't much better either -- it seems to have a nasty caste system built into it | Jul 16 20:48 |
| MinceR | yes, but it may require a certain level of mental capability, which may not be common enough | Jul 16 20:48 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: many children don't even question YHWH. not even until they die of old age. | Jul 16 20:48 |
| __martin__ | shiet | Jul 16 20:50 |
| __martin__ | https://i.imgur.com/q5ByzMo.png | Jul 16 20:50 |
| cubexyz | sorry to digress for a moment, but this picture is interesting: | Jul 16 20:50 |
| __martin__ | #adobecrapware #flashcrash #softwarefreedom | Jul 16 20:50 |
| cubexyz | http://regmedia.co.uk/2011/11/14/4004_die_large.jpg | Jul 16 20:50 |
| __martin__ | cubexyz: | Jul 16 20:51 |
| __martin__ | amazing | Jul 16 20:51 |
| msb__ | http://pastebin.com/f1Uau5Bh | Jul 16 20:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pastebin.com | Critical Thinking - Pastebin.com | Jul 16 20:51 | |
| msb__ | My formulation. | Jul 16 20:51 |
| cubexyz | 10-micron process back then | Jul 16 20:52 |
| cubexyz | maybe someday we'll have do-it-yourself CPUs | Jul 16 20:52 |
| MinceR | in the current age, step 4 is impossible. | Jul 16 20:52 |
| MinceR | information is generated and made accessible at a greater rate than any simple human could process it. | Jul 16 20:53 |
| MinceR | s/simp/sing/ | Jul 16 20:53 |
| cubexyz | going back to SSI is difficult too | Jul 16 20:54 |
| cubexyz | actually very difficult | Jul 16 20:54 |
| msb__ | MinceR: For any particular topic, there are only a small number -- max 6 -- of differing formulations. It suffices to read an example or two of each of them. | Jul 16 20:58 |
| msb__ | MinceR: That suffices for step 4. | Jul 16 20:59 |
| msb__ | A fairly high level of mental capability is required to follow professional sports in detail, or cars, or women's fashions, or soap operas. | Jul 16 21:01 |
| MinceR | what if one does not care about "professional sports"? | Jul 16 21:02 |
| MinceR | or soap operas? | Jul 16 21:02 |
| msb__ | If that mental capability were used for useful critical thinking, it would suffice. | Jul 16 21:02 |
| msb__ | The point is that most people have the capability to follow soap operas or sports. | Jul 16 21:03 |
| msb__ | The rulers program them to do that so that they will not think for themselves and question the 1% vs. 99% inequality. | Jul 16 21:04 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 16 21:04 |
| msb__ | With cannabis in common usage in the 1960s, people were widely questioning what the US govt told them about Vietnam. | Jul 16 21:05 |
| msb__ | There followed protests with millions of people, that actually stopped that war. | Jul 16 21:06 |
| MinceR | but how do you know those people used cannabis and became able to think critically afterward (as a consequence of that) and not the other way around? | Jul 16 21:06 |
| MinceR | or even because of a common cause? | Jul 16 21:06 |
| msb__ | The political/psychological/conscious music of bands like the Jefferson Airplane/Starship, CSNY, Fleetwood Mac, etc., also helped wake people up. | Jul 16 21:07 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Because I was there. | Jul 16 21:07 |
| msb__ | I was born in 1945 in Philadelphia. | Jul 16 21:08 |
| msb__ | ...a major urban center. | Jul 16 21:08 |
| msb__ | I lived in "hippie" areas. | Jul 16 21:08 |
| msb__ | Everyone smoked cannabis. | Jul 16 21:09 |
| msb__ | Some used LSD, psilocybin mushrooms, or peyote (which was the best, but very hard to get). | Jul 16 21:09 |
| msb__ | Most cultures on Earth use psychedelic plants. | Jul 16 21:10 |
| msb__ | But not JCI cultures. | Jul 16 21:10 |
| MinceR | that's still just a constellation of psychedelic substance use and anti-war sentiment | Jul 16 21:10 |
| MinceR | actually, even some JCI cultures do | Jul 16 21:11 |
| MinceR | christianity even has people drink ethanol at church | Jul 16 21:11 |
| msb__ | We also had "underground newspapers" -- the Internet of the day. | Jul 16 21:11 |
| msb__ | ethanol is not psychedelic. It is stupefying. It decreases the ability to think. | Jul 16 21:11 |
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| MinceR | yes, but it still alters the way the neural system works | Jul 16 21:15 |
| __martin__ | even more lol'd @ winblows chooser | Jul 16 21:15 |
| __martin__ | http://static.cdn.ubi.com/0026/Global/Steam/steam-patch-2.png | Jul 16 21:15 |
| MinceR | i.e. it does something they keep attacking other drugs for | Jul 16 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Phone is going away. | Jul 16 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | It's a zombie platform that just doesn't know it's dead yet. | Jul 16 21:16 |
| msb__ | Mere alteration does not suffice. Psychedelics, when used properly, help the brain work better. | Jul 16 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is pushing Android apps more than it is Windows Phone. | Jul 16 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | I have several of them on my new Galaxy S6. | Jul 16 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | They preloaded Onedrive and OneNote. | Jul 16 21:17 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jul 16 21:19 |
| MinceR | http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2015/07/where-next-for-microsoft-as-the-mercy-killing-of-lumia-and-windows-phone-will-happen-in-next-year-or.html | Jul 16 21:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Where Next for Microsoft? - As the mercy killing of Lumia and Windows Phone will happen in next year or two, what impacts to Microsoft world domination plans? [ http://ur1.ca/n526v ] | Jul 16 21:19 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I posted a joke on my Facebook wall earlier. | Jul 16 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | "I see that they still have the iPhone For Life plan, but that does come with the possibility of parole." | Jul 16 21:23 |
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| DaemonFC | I stayed with Sprint. | Jul 16 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | If anyone can believe it, there are carriers with worse coverage than Sprint. | Jul 16 21:24 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 16 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | Everyone seems to think Sprint is the pits, but T-Mobile is a lot worse. | Jul 16 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | Take Sprint's coverage area, and reduce it by about 40% and you get an idea of what T-Mobile has. | Jul 16 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | Sprint isn't so bad unless you're really out in the middle of nowhere. | Jul 16 21:26 |
| msb__ | . | Jul 16 21:31 |
| msb__ | Here is my -- I don't know what to call it -- manifesto? It won't fit in pastebin. It needs links. http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html | Jul 16 21:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | THE CAUSE AND CURE OF HUMANITY'S PROBLEMS [ http://ur1.ca/n52a6 ] | Jul 16 21:32 | |
| DaemonFC | Removing some of Sprint's crapware. | Jul 16 21:34 |
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| msb__ | Comments? Suggestions? | Jul 16 21:43 |
| msb__ | gde33: ? | Jul 16 21:43 |
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| MinceR | actually, a gene benefitting people related to you would also have an advantage in evolution | Jul 16 21:45 |
| MinceR | to a slight extent, even one that benefits random members of the same species would | Jul 16 21:45 |
| MinceR | (citation: The Selfish Gene) | Jul 16 21:46 |
| gde33 | msb__: I think it is the beginning of your book, each section you have here is the introduction of a chapter. | Jul 16 21:48 |
| msb__ | MinceR: It would. What counts in Darwinian evolution is how many children the person has, and do they care for them well enough that they have children of their own, | Jul 16 21:48 |
| gde33 | many books are structured that way, if you read the first paragraph you get the general idea | Jul 16 21:49 |
| gde33 | there seem to be 3 kinds, 2 of those want to build a collective and one who does not | Jul 16 21:49 |
| msb__ | gde33: Thanks! But I don't want it to go beyond a pamphlet, actually a Web page with links. | Jul 16 21:49 |
| gde33 | the first of the 2 wants to build a collective together and the second wants to be in bondage | Jul 16 21:50 |
| gde33 | like it takes 2 to sm | Jul 16 21:50 |
| msb__ | sm? | Jul 16 21:51 |
| gde33 | with psychopaths ruling for such a long time the victim is sort of successful in the evolutionary sense | Jul 16 21:51 |
| gde33 | Sadomasochism | Jul 16 21:51 |
| gde33 | the victim is successful like chickens are one of the most successful species on this world | Jul 16 21:52 |
| gde33 | *the willing victim | Jul 16 21:52 |
| gde33 | they seem to sabotage the revolution every time | Jul 16 21:52 |
| msb__ | But hopefully that willingness can be deprogrammed. | Jul 16 21:52 |
| gde33 | they just have to be contained like the psychopaths | Jul 16 21:53 |
| gde33 | or you end up at the front and most of your batallion runs away | Jul 16 21:53 |
| msb__ | Or just gradually offerred a better life. | Jul 16 21:53 |
| gde33 | it is like: they killed 4 students? so what? | Jul 16 21:53 |
| gde33 | we are suppose to be impressed by that statistic? | Jul 16 21:54 |
| gde33 | the psychopaths killed well over a hundred million in the first and second world war | Jul 16 21:54 |
| msb__ | That frightened and discouraged people. Those students were engaged in a large protest. | Jul 16 21:54 |
| gde33 | and probably a few times that after it | Jul 16 21:54 |
| gde33 | yeah, fightened by that? wtf? | Jul 16 21:55 |
| gde33 | like staying indoors because of lightning strikes | Jul 16 21:55 |
| msb__ | They were middle-class students, and they thought that protesting the war was a safe thing to do. | Jul 16 21:55 |
| msb__ | Then the govt brought in soldiers and ordered them to murder a few. | Jul 16 21:56 |
| MinceR | msb__: so what's up with the current trend of legalizing marijuana? | Jul 16 21:57 |
| gde33 | msb__: with ghandi they just did it again and again | Jul 16 21:57 |
| gde33 | until the soldiers killed about a thousand and had enough of it | Jul 16 21:57 |
| gde33 | there is an easy solution | Jul 16 21:58 |
| gde33 | you just join that police force | Jul 16 21:58 |
| msb__ | I'm not sure. It's getting widely known that cannabidiol (CBD) cures some cancers. | Jul 16 21:58 |
| gde33 | become the oppressor | Jul 16 21:58 |
| msb__ | gde33: But police have a pyramidal control structure, and psychopaths at the top are still giving the orders. | Jul 16 21:59 |
| gde33 | turn on them when the time is right | Jul 16 22:00 |
| msb__ | That would require a majority of the police to be conscious. | Jul 16 22:00 |
| gde33 | not at all, they are like sheep, if enough of them say no it wont happen | Jul 16 22:00 |
| msb__ | Why would they say no? | Jul 16 22:01 |
| gde33 | infiltration is quite simple | Jul 16 22:01 |
| msb__ | I mean, why wouldn't they follow the orders from the top. | Jul 16 22:01 |
| gde33 | if you join the police you would say no | Jul 16 22:02 |
| gde33 | there is not one infuential organization in the world that was not successfully infiltrated again and again | Jul 16 22:02 |
| MinceR | looks like i don't need cannabis -- water here isn't fluoridated :> | Jul 16 22:02 |
| msb__ | MinceR: you need more psychedelic than your pineal gland makes. | Jul 16 22:03 |
| gde33 | my experience was that it makes the indoctrination into something strange and alien | Jul 16 22:03 |
| msb__ | gde33: What does? | Jul 16 22:04 |
| gde33 | smoking pot. I was like.... uhh.... so tell me... why do people need jobs? | Jul 16 22:04 |
| gde33 | I thought we had work to do, cant we focus on that? | Jul 16 22:04 |
| gde33 | why should silly job rethoric take priority over doing the work? | Jul 16 22:04 |
| gde33 | like say: if I shoot protestors I have a job? thats it? | Jul 16 22:05 |
| msb__ | Waking people up is the most important work, but | Jul 16 22:05 |
| gde33 | I make coffee for people who are to lazy to do it themselves? tadaa? a job was created? | Jul 16 22:05 |
| msb__ | gde33: What are you saying? What's your point? | Jul 16 22:06 |
| gde33 | that it makes you question everything | Jul 16 22:06 |
| gde33 | when stoned the things you take for granted seem awefully dubious | Jul 16 22:06 |
| msb__ | Cannabis? | Jul 16 22:06 |
| gde33 | ye | Jul 16 22:07 |
| gde33 | it is nice when you are young | Jul 16 22:07 |
| MinceR | you need certain resources for survival. doing a job is one possible (and common) way to get access to those resources. | Jul 16 22:07 |
| msb__ | OK, first of all it requires non-oxidized cannabis. The chlorophyll in the leaves serves as an indicator. It should be green. | Jul 16 22:08 |
| MinceR | (via salary->money->trade) | Jul 16 22:08 |
| gde33 | MinceR: yes, but even supperfical examination shows that it is a completely idiotic way of looking at things. | Jul 16 22:08 |
| MinceR | what is? | Jul 16 22:08 |
| gde33 | what you said boils down to slavery for access | Jul 16 22:08 |
| gde33 | that means it will be ethernal | Jul 16 22:09 |
| MinceR | no, it doesn't | Jul 16 22:09 |
| MinceR | no, it doesn't mean that | Jul 16 22:09 |
| msb__ | Doing a useful job for good pay is not slavery. | Jul 16 22:09 |
| gde33 | no amount of technology will remove the need to do jobs | Jul 16 22:09 |
| gde33 | technology becomes bullshit | Jul 16 22:09 |
| MinceR | i think it might | Jul 16 22:09 |
| MinceR | whether humanity can survive and reach that level is another matter | Jul 16 22:09 |
| gde33 | progress becomes undesirable | Jul 16 22:09 |
| gde33 | the difference between jobs and work is small but not insignificant | Jul 16 22:10 |
| gde33 | we need to do all kinds of work to sustain ourselves | Jul 16 22:10 |
| msb__ | As machines produce more goods and services, the amount of work that people have to do decreases. | Jul 16 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | gde33: My favorite coffee is Dunkin Donuts dark roast with cream, Chips Ahoy syrup, and splenda. | Jul 16 22:10 |
| gde33 | jobs are not the answer to doing the nesasary work | Jul 16 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | You can by the coffee to make at home, but not the syrup | Jul 16 22:10 |
| msb__ | This is causing big problems under capitalism already with mass unemployment. | Jul 16 22:11 |
| gde33 | msb__: yes but who cares? | Jul 16 22:11 |
| MinceR | jobs are the form in which division of labor is implemented | Jul 16 22:11 |
| gde33 | why are we not exited that the work is finally finished? | Jul 16 22:11 |
| msb__ | MinceR: right! | Jul 16 22:11 |
| gde33 | it is like any kind of work, say cleaning the dishes | Jul 16 22:12 |
| MinceR | division of labor makes society more efficient and allows people to do things they like doing more than things they dislike doing (to some extent) | Jul 16 22:12 |
| gde33 | at some point you are done | Jul 16 22:12 |
| MinceR | gde33: we should be | Jul 16 22:12 |
| gde33 | this should be reason to be exited | Jul 16 22:12 |
| MinceR | instead of complaining that machines are taking our jerbs, people should train themselves for less menial tasks | Jul 16 22:12 |
| gde33 | efficency is in focusing on the work not in focusing on keeping people bussy | Jul 16 22:13 |
| msb__ | The psychopaths in control don't want capitalism to end. | Jul 16 22:13 |
| gde33 | MinceR: take health care, you need trained people, you need machines, you need factories, you need research | Jul 16 22:13 |
| msb__ | That's why the US has attacked socialist nation throughout the 20th Century. | Jul 16 22:13 |
| gde33 | MinceR: in the expoitation model you simply cant have health care | Jul 16 22:14 |
| gde33 | the price will go up to the point where proffit is the greatest | Jul 16 22:14 |
| MinceR | msb__: those "socialist nations" were more exploitative than the "capitalist" ones | Jul 16 22:14 |
| gde33 | MinceR: certainly! | Jul 16 22:14 |
| MinceR | gde33: wasn't that fixed already? | Jul 16 22:14 |
| gde33 | fuck marx was all over the jobs nonsense | Jul 16 22:14 |
| msb__ | It was a false kind of socialism, actually state capitalism. | Jul 16 22:15 |
| msb__ | Good socialism requires real democracy at every level. | Jul 16 22:15 |
| MinceR | the term i've seen for that is "state socialism" | Jul 16 22:15 |
| gde33 | it was just an example, pot makes you question everything. To find the right answer you have to ask the right questions. | Jul 16 22:15 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 16 22:15 |
| gde33 | our culture is full of completely crazy things we never question | Jul 16 22:16 |
| MinceR | some of us do :> | Jul 16 22:17 |
| gde33 | the most idiotic one to me was that I thought people acted based on logic and reason. | Jul 16 22:17 |
| gde33 | then it one day struck me as something I just like to believe | Jul 16 22:17 |
| MinceR | some people do, but this is probably rare | Jul 16 22:17 |
| gde33 | I was just telling myself that that was the case | Jul 16 22:18 |
| MinceR | it was also said that we often rationalize our actions after deciding or doing them | Jul 16 22:18 |
| MinceR | though the research this was based on was dubious | Jul 16 22:18 |
| msb__ | People can learn to think rationally, critically. | Jul 16 22:18 |
| gde33 | msb__: I like to tell myself that too | Jul 16 22:18 |
| msb__ | If they are given information on how to do it. | Jul 16 22:18 |
| gde33 | but if you look carefully you are just saying something you like to believe to be true | Jul 16 22:19 |
| msb__ | It's true, at least for some people. | Jul 16 22:19 |
| gde33 | take software | Jul 16 22:19 |
| gde33 | or any product we use | Jul 16 22:19 |
| msb__ | I think much more accurately now than I did 20 years ago. | Jul 16 22:19 |
| gde33 | to find the best product one would have to make up his own mind | Jul 16 22:20 |
| cubexyz | well windows 95, no wonder :) | Jul 16 22:20 |
| gde33 | that would require trying all of the offerings | Jul 16 22:20 |
| gde33 | I do do this sometimes, I install all windos irc clients, learn to configure and use them | Jul 16 22:21 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't even consider windows-only irc clients | Jul 16 22:21 |
| gde33 | but other people dont do that, they dont value my opinion either. | Jul 16 22:21 |
| gde33 | MinceR: exactly, my investigation is seriously flawed by design | Jul 16 22:21 |
| MinceR | those would require me to run windows or try to make them work with wine | Jul 16 22:21 |
| gde33 | that is how people end up on facebook, not because it offers interesting features, just heard mentality. | Jul 16 22:22 |
| gde33 | logical would be for us to all agree a social network is a great idea. | Jul 16 22:23 |
| gde33 | then we make a list of features it should have | Jul 16 22:23 |
| gde33 | code it | Jul 16 22:23 |
| gde33 | but that would require logical beings | Jul 16 22:24 |
| MinceR | we could use diaspora or gnu social | Jul 16 22:24 |
| gde33 | msb__: I honestly dont know if I think more logically, I like to think I do | Jul 16 22:24 |
| MinceR | or both | Jul 16 22:25 |
| gde33 | MinceR: certainly | Jul 16 22:25 |
| cubexyz | what's wrong with IRC? | Jul 16 22:25 |
| MinceR | i might do so once i get my vps, but i'm not strongly motivated | Jul 16 22:25 |
| MinceR | yeah, irc is great | Jul 16 22:25 |
| msb__ | There are enough logical beings to have created GNU/Linux and all its tools and apps. | Jul 16 22:25 |
| MinceR | and might well be sufficient for me | Jul 16 22:25 |
| MinceR | msb__: and so much other technology, and science | Jul 16 22:25 |
| gde33 | cubelog: irc logs are unorganized to the point of being unreadable | Jul 16 22:25 |
| MinceR | grep helps :> | Jul 16 22:26 |
| cubexyz | I just grepped years worth of coreboot logs today | Jul 16 22:26 |
| gde33 | if you write your thougths into a blog your effort creates something valueable over time | Jul 16 22:26 |
| msb__ | konversation keeps good logs | Jul 16 22:26 |
| gde33 | logs cant compete with articles in the search results | Jul 16 22:27 |
| msb__ | Some simple formatting scripts make them easy to read | Jul 16 22:27 |
| gde33 | the thoughts shared here from time to time are good enough to have a large audience | Jul 16 22:28 |
| gde33 | as an irc log that cant happen | Jul 16 22:28 |
| msb__ | Then you can extract good discussions and edit them into articles. | Jul 16 22:28 |
| cubexyz | actually schestowitz puts the logs on the web | Jul 16 22:28 |
| gde33 | just like activism on facebook leaves no trail of having ever existed | Jul 16 22:29 |
| cubexyz | plus there's a few logbots | Jul 16 22:29 |
| gde33 | msb__: sure | Jul 16 22:29 |
| MinceR | well, if you can put your thoughts more formally, a website or blog can be useful | Jul 16 22:29 |
| MinceR | we talk differently on irc most of the time :) | Jul 16 22:29 |
| cubexyz | 100 years from now folks will still be able to read about how win95 sucks :) | Jul 16 22:29 |
| MinceR | i'm not so sure | Jul 16 22:30 |
| gde33 | the medium should aid the creation of value rather than noise | Jul 16 22:30 |
| MinceR | it's so difficult to find evidence even of events that didn't happen so long ago | Jul 16 22:30 |
| MinceR | say, 10 or 15 years ago | Jul 16 22:30 |
| cubexyz | actually I have VHS tapes of BBS logins from the 1980s | Jul 16 22:31 |
| gde33 | cubelog: those are exceptions | Jul 16 22:31 |
| gde33 | most of our stuff is just burned | Jul 16 22:31 |
| cubexyz | this era we're in right now is probably the most recorded era ever | Jul 16 22:32 |
| gde33 | Take this silly example | Jul 16 22:32 |
| gde33 | a smot ramp looks like this http://go-here.nl/smot-hires.jpg | Jul 16 22:32 |
| msb__ | google had everything from text Usenet, but threw it away a few years ago. | Jul 16 22:32 |
| gde33 | it is very strange because the ball rolls up the ramp then drops from the high end | Jul 16 22:32 |
| gde33 | there use to be hundreds of videos showing these | Jul 16 22:32 |
| MinceR | i've made it a policy to save websites (instead of just bookmarking) i intend to use as evidence or reference in the future | Jul 16 22:32 |
| gde33 | now there are 3 or 4 videos of smot ramps that are build wrong | Jul 16 22:33 |
| cubexyz | interesting, this is the first I've heard of such a thing | Jul 16 22:34 |
| gde33 | here is one that doesn't start at table level https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MEOit3ff4Hg#t=15 | Jul 16 22:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Magnet ramp 1 - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/n52r5 ] | Jul 16 22:34 | |
| gde33 | it just fails to capture the toy | Jul 16 22:34 |
| gde33 | this one is wrong too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMCLKKVef0E | Jul 16 22:35 |
| cubexyz | no commercial version? | Jul 16 22:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Rampa magnetica magnetic ramp smot Alessio Fusaro - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/n52rc ] | Jul 16 22:35 | |
| gde33 | nope | Jul 16 22:35 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Magnetic_Overunity_Toy | Jul 16 22:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Simple Magnetic Overunity Toy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/n52rg ] | Jul 16 22:35 | |
| gde33 | I think it is a hilarious toy | Jul 16 22:35 |
| gde33 | but it did have lots of pages about it self | Jul 16 22:38 |
| gde33 | most ideas people have do not | Jul 16 22:38 |
| gde33 | they cant be discovered | Jul 16 22:38 |
| gde33 | all the different flat logs must be full of fantastic treasures | Jul 16 22:39 |
| gde33 | irc, wiki's, usenet, facebook, twitter etc etc | Jul 16 22:39 |
| cubexyz | yeah and Microsoft wanted to crash the party with IRCX | Jul 16 22:40 |
| cubexyz | then MSNP | Jul 16 22:40 |
| msb__ | That video does not show overunity. The guy has to move the spheres by hand. | Jul 16 22:41 |
| cubexyz | IRC, another invention from Finland | Jul 16 22:41 |
| MinceR | lol ircx | Jul 16 22:41 |
| MinceR | typical crappy m$ product | Jul 16 22:41 |
| gde33 | msb__: the jury is still out on the overunity | Jul 16 22:42 |
| gde33 | the wikipedia article has no sources | Jul 16 22:42 |
| cubexyz | gde33, ever heard of the Hutchison Effect? | Jul 16 22:43 |
| gde33 | sure | Jul 16 22:43 |
| msb__ | An overunity one would be simple to build, if it works. SMOT is just a four-letter word. | Jul 16 22:43 |
| cubexyz | levitation of heavy objects, and other weird stuff | Jul 16 22:43 |
| msb__ | Hutchison Effect is bullshit. | Jul 16 22:43 |
| gde33 | someone told john that if he had those devices he should try that | Jul 16 22:44 |
| gde33 | but he cant make a decent video or write documentation | Jul 16 22:44 |
| msb__ | a box with a video camera mounted at the edge, looking inside. Then somebody flipps the box over and the objects appear to ascend in the video.. | Jul 16 22:45 |
| cubexyz | another oddball thing.. quasijarus works better when you login with telnet | Jul 16 22:47 |
| msb__ | Same thing was done with a whole room in the movie Poltergeist (1982) in which JoBeth Williams appeared to climb up a wall. | Jul 16 22:47 |
| cubexyz | unfortunately there's barely anyone who uses it, so progress with it is slow | Jul 16 22:47 |
| cubexyz | msb__, I think I remember that | Jul 16 22:48 |
| gde33 | msb__: you cant prove anything about it if the guy cant document stuff | Jul 16 22:48 |
| gde33 | just noise | Jul 16 22:48 |
| msb__ | I thought quasijarus became extinct millions of years ago. | Jul 16 22:48 |
| cubexyz | nah, I still use it | Jul 16 22:49 |
| msb__ | Wasn't the Polyphase Quasitron used to destroy the Magnetic Monster? | Jul 16 22:50 |
| gde33 | not one quasijarus video on the interwebs | Jul 16 22:50 |
| cubexyz | there's a 2.11BSD video | Jul 16 22:51 |
| cubexyz | I'm not sure what Sokolov is doing with quasijarus these days | Jul 16 22:51 |
| cubexyz | I was hoping to get lynx working on it | Jul 16 22:52 |
| cubexyz | gde33, try 4.3bsd | Jul 16 22:56 |
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| msb__ | I downloaded the youtube video of Spielberg showing the rotating room in Poltergeist, but the shitpigs have removed it from youtube. | Jul 16 22:59 |
| msb__ | Anyhow Hutchison is a fraud. | Jul 16 23:00 |
| gde33 | the greek debt debate last night was not available in germany because streaming youtube is banned | Jul 16 23:00 |
| msb__ | He makes the deformed metal bars by making casts of vegetable root systems. | Jul 16 23:01 |
| gde33 | could be, I see nothing that suggests anything is real or fake | Jul 16 23:01 |
| cubexyz | it is interesting that IRC has far less users that facebook does | Jul 16 23:02 |
| msb__ | Anything you like on youtube, download it -- http://youtube-dl.org/ | Jul 16 23:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-youtube-dl.org | youtube-dl | Jul 16 23:03 | |
| cubexyz | IRC seems to attract more knowledgeable people, at least with regard to computer skills | Jul 16 23:03 |
| cubexyz | I can barely stand facebook | Jul 16 23:03 |
| gde33 | internet for suckers | Jul 16 23:05 |
| msb__ | If there are two ways to create a video, one that violates laws of physics, is undocumented and not reproducible, and the other that anyone can do in their kitchen, which one should you believe? | Jul 16 23:06 |
| gde33 | I dont do believes if I dont have to, I save many cpu cycles that way :) | Jul 16 23:06 |
| cubexyz | I didn't believe cold fusion either | Jul 16 23:07 |
| gde33 | the amount of time people waste judging things for no reason | Jul 16 23:07 |
| cubexyz | it has to be reproducible | Jul 16 23:08 |
| gde33 | judge people, groups of people etc | Jul 16 23:08 |
| msb__ | Hutchison is also hooked up with Judy Wood, a COINTELPRO agent trying to smear 9-11 research. | Jul 16 23:08 |
| MinceR | maybe that's why some people judge people so quickly | Jul 16 23:08 |
| gde33 | if you need to know what something is you put in the work | Jul 16 23:08 |
| MinceR | to reduce the amount of wasted time | Jul 16 23:08 |
| gde33 | MinceR: haha, yes but it can be done so much faster by leaving things the way they are ;) | Jul 16 23:09 |
| msb__ | Various types of cold fusion are reproducible. See: http://lenr-canr.org/ | Jul 16 23:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lenr-canr.org | LENR-CANR.org — A library of papers about cold fusion | Jul 16 23:09 | |
| gde33 | there are enough scientists with admirable credentials who say it is worth further research | Jul 16 23:10 |
| msb__ | search the site for Iwamura He transmutes thin films of metals by flowing deuterium gas thru them. | Jul 16 23:11 |
| gde33 | I dont see how my opinion would be of significant value compared to theirs | Jul 16 23:11 |
| MinceR | then they should perform further research | Jul 16 23:14 |
| MinceR | whatever the outcome, we will know more than we did before | Jul 16 23:15 |
| gde33 | I do see lame naysayers | Jul 16 23:15 |
| cubexyz | duracell doesn't make the best batteries | Jul 16 23:16 |
| gde33 | they moan how they know nothing is there without showing anything for it | Jul 16 23:16 |
| cubexyz | but if you went by marketing alone.... :) | Jul 16 23:16 |
| gde33 | if you show them 1 youtube video with some wild effect going on they know it is not real | Jul 16 23:16 |
| gde33 | then find 200 scientists with admirable credentials and nobel prizes and do 25 years of successful replication | Jul 16 23:17 |
| gde33 | and then they will scream it is not real? | Jul 16 23:17 |
| gde33 | that is how objectivity works? | Jul 16 23:17 |
| gde33 | this is what we expect from john hutchison too? hahaha | Jul 16 23:17 |
| gde33 | sounds quite unreasonable | Jul 16 23:18 |
| cubexyz | Duracell might even be hobbling their batteries on purpose, making them less durable | Jul 16 23:18 |
| cubexyz | a simple money-making ploy | Jul 16 23:18 |
| gde33 | of course? | Jul 16 23:18 |
| gde33 | that is how business works | Jul 16 23:18 |
| gde33 | they have these big battery making machines now, those produce batteries the whole day long | Jul 16 23:19 |
| gde33 | from where the illusion they would want to replace those machines to make them more efficent? | Jul 16 23:19 |
| gde33 | to go bankrupt? | Jul 16 23:20 |
| cubexyz | no, it's not white/black like that | Jul 16 23:20 |
| gde33 | it is like expecting microsoft to do monthly kernel upgrades | Jul 16 23:20 |
| gde33 | lmao | Jul 16 23:20 |
| cubexyz | people paid a premium price to get batteries that lasted longer | Jul 16 23:20 |
| gde33 | because you know, it is the right thing to do | Jul 16 23:20 |
| cubexyz | if they don't last longer, what is the point in paying more? | Jul 16 23:21 |
| gde33 | cubexyz: last longer than what? | Jul 16 23:21 |
| gde33 | the other factory that is probably owned by the same people? | Jul 16 23:21 |
| gde33 | in most sectors the new and improved technology is sitting there waiting for the production line to get old | Jul 16 23:23 |
| msb__ | Hutchison doesn't prove his claims, and he never has impartial people come in and watch a demonstration of his "effect". | Jul 16 23:23 |
| cubexyz | I don't know, I guess I'd have to research that | Jul 16 23:23 |
| gde33 | msb__: sure, my point was that at the point where hundreds of scientists invest 25 years into thousands of succesful replications we still have something that can be easily disbelieved. | Jul 16 23:24 |
| MinceR | we already have plenty of such things | Jul 16 23:24 |
| MinceR | like evolution and quantum mechanics | Jul 16 23:24 |
| msb__ | evolution and quantum mechanics have both actually been demonstrated taking place | Jul 16 23:25 |
| gde33 | running a business involves a lot of things, it is nice to be on the cutting edge but it has a ton of drawbacks | Jul 16 23:25 |
| MinceR | and yet people disbelieve them | Jul 16 23:26 |
| gde33 | cubexyz: philips made a tv one time that could explode after 10 years | Jul 16 23:26 |
| MinceR | some people even use technology that relies on humans' understanding of quantum mechanics to spread the word about quantum mechanics being a lie | Jul 16 23:26 |
| MinceR | videoton's tv-s exploded a lot sooner | Jul 16 23:26 |
| gde33 | lol | Jul 16 23:26 |
| MinceR | they were called color star, iirc | Jul 16 23:26 |
| gde33 | I'm sure it all looked great at launch time | Jul 16 23:27 |
| msb__ | How high did it get when it was launched? | Jul 16 23:27 |
| gde33 | the space x rocket went up for a bit first :D | Jul 16 23:28 |
| gde33 | then poof and wtf? | Jul 16 23:28 |
| cubexyz | doesn't the transistor use quantum mechanics? | Jul 16 23:28 |
| gde33 | I think they are still at the wtf stage of bug fixing | Jul 16 23:28 |
| msb__ | Nobody's gonna want to ride on that thing. | Jul 16 23:28 |
| cubexyz | so that's pretty much all computers | Jul 16 23:28 |
| cubexyz | so doubting QM is silly | Jul 16 23:29 |
| msb__ | I think a detailed analysis of transistor action involves QM. | Jul 16 23:29 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: at least FETs certainly do | Jul 16 23:29 |
| MinceR | so do giant magnetoresistive HDD heads | Jul 16 23:29 |
| msb__ | The simple two-slit experiment is a good demo of QM. | Jul 16 23:30 |
| msb__ | A single particle or photon will go one way or the other, but a beam of them will make an interference pattern. | Jul 16 23:31 |
| gde33 | msb__: “If there’s more than one way to do a job, and one of those ways will result in disaster, then somebody will do it that way.” —Edward A. Murphy, Jr. | Jul 16 23:31 |
| gde33 | I for one am very exited about an industry dedicated to blowing up rich people | Jul 16 23:32 |
| msb__ | excited | Jul 16 23:32 |
| gde33 | right | Jul 16 23:32 |
| msb__ | drones and google maps might be a beginning, but you wouldn't want to blow up the servants | Jul 16 23:34 |
| gde33 | there is a good prank about the double slit experiment | Jul 16 23:34 |
| gde33 | someone replicated it with just a needle | Jul 16 23:34 |
| msb__ | With monochromatic light, especially laser, you'd see interference fringes. | Jul 16 23:35 |
| MinceR | once you have robots to serve you, you can blow up the servants | Jul 16 23:37 |
| gde33 | yes, that is how robots make everything cheaper | Jul 16 23:37 |
| gde33 | no more need to sustain the servant | Jul 16 23:38 |
| msb__ | Aren't junction -- NPN, PNP -- transistors more involved with QM than FETs? Something about conduction bands? | Jul 16 23:39 |
| MinceR | i don't know | Jul 16 23:40 |
| MinceR | i know that FETs rely on quantum tunnelling | Jul 16 23:40 |
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| gde33 | it will be facinating to see the transistor size drop to 3 nm and beyond | Jul 16 23:44 |
| gde33 | 15 nm is 5 times the length and 5 times the width or 25 times bigger | Jul 16 23:48 |
| gde33 | I see some video card where the ddr5 memory is stacked into a pile next to the processor | Jul 16 23:50 |
| gde33 | video is still on something like 20 nm I think? | Jul 16 23:50 |
| msb__ | looks like most FETs are just electrostatic, but there are a couple of kinds that use tunneling. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field-effect_transistor | Jul 16 23:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Field-effect transistor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/n53be ] | Jul 16 23:51 | |
| MinceR | flash ROM uses quantum tunnelling too | Jul 16 23:54 |
| MinceR | (and EEPROM in general) | Jul 16 23:55 |
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| schestowitz | [22:23] <gde33> logical would be for us to all agree a social network is a great idea. | Jul 17 01:28 |
| schestowitz | Depends which | Jul 17 01:28 |
| gde33 | schestowitz: the raw concept | Jul 17 01:29 |
| gde33 | schestowitz: it is a good enough idea to have a serious discussion about features | Jul 17 01:30 |
| gde33 | schestowitz: how to implement it | Jul 17 01:30 |
| schestowitz | [21:17] <DaemonFC> Microsoft is pushing Android apps more than it is Windows Phone. | Jul 17 01:31 |
| schestowitz | [21:17] <DaemonFC> I have several of them on my new Galaxy S6. | Jul 17 01:31 |
| schestowitz | [21:17] <DaemonFC> They preloaded Onedrive and OneNote. | Jul 17 01:31 |
| schestowitz | Because of patent extortion | Jul 17 01:31 |
| gde33 | schestowitz: how to prevent your mum becoming a means of exploitation | Jul 17 01:31 |
| schestowitz | MS sued Samsung | Jul 17 01:31 |
| schestowitz | and then settled in exchange for samsung being MS couriers on Android | Jul 17 01:31 |
| schestowitz | Extortion/blackmail is what this is | Jul 17 01:31 |
| schestowitz | the 'new' Microsoft | Jul 17 01:31 |
| gde33 | same as the old one | Jul 17 01:31 |
| schestowitz | gde33: I did try to install diaspora on the server of techrights | Jul 17 01:32 |
| schestowitz | didn't get it running completely, but was close | Jul 17 01:32 |
| schestowitz | it's a bit of a hog, it uses RoR | Jul 17 01:32 |
| schestowitz | [20:35] <msb__> but psychopaths, at least some of them, are genetic. | Jul 17 01:38 |
| schestowitz | [20:36] <msb__> And the positions of power in the govt, corporations, and media are full of them. | Jul 17 01:38 |
| schestowitz | I heard this before | Jul 17 01:38 |
| schestowitz | for some, ambitions is needed | Jul 17 01:38 |
| schestowitz | hard work | Jul 17 01:38 |
| schestowitz | and then there are connections, like family connections, and the will to stab people in the back to get promoted | Jul 17 01:38 |
| schestowitz | I've repeatedly declined offers of promotion, I want my daytime job to remain simple and fun | Jul 17 01:39 |
| schestowitz | [20:20] <MinceR> just because a computer is old doesn't mean it's free of backdoors | Jul 17 01:40 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: You'll never get to be a psychopath at this rate. | Jul 17 01:40 |
| schestowitz | The off-the-shelf ones might not work, i.e. more expensive and hard to crack, I think | Jul 17 01:40 |
| schestowitz | Windows XP makes one very easy to crack, the 0-days have been on the shelf for quite some time with no fixes delivered | Jul 17 01:41 |
| msb__ | The movie _fishead_ is about psychopaths in power. | Jul 17 01:41 |
| schestowitz | msb__: depends on how you define it | Jul 17 01:41 |
| schestowitz | my friend says, only a psychopath says he never lies | Jul 17 01:41 |
| cubexyz | well I figure Babbages Analytical Engine is backdoor free :) | Jul 17 01:41 |
| schestowitz | but anyway, my focus is my online activism | Jul 17 01:42 |
| schestowitz | the job is secondary, I need to pay the bills | Jul 17 01:42 |
| schestowitz | msb__: I watched some of that "conspiracy" stuff today because the wife was watching youtube by hopping between videos | Jul 17 01:42 |
| msb__ | Which conspiracy stuff? | Jul 17 01:43 |
| schestowitz | There's this one guy, report/open source something - maybe Corbet report? | Jul 17 01:43 |
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| msb__ | Yes, he's good. | Jul 17 01:43 |
| schestowitz | he's not bad | Jul 17 01:43 |
| schestowitz | even if I don't agree with him on some stuff | Jul 17 01:43 |
| msb__ | Do you mean videos linked on my homepage? | Jul 17 01:43 |
| schestowitz | no | Jul 17 01:44 |
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| schestowitz | > http://www.techrepublic.com/article/alternative-is-the-question-linux-is-the-answer/ | Jul 17 08:58 |
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| schestowitz | > | Jul 17 08:58 |
| schestowitz | > M$, popularity? | Jul 17 08:59 |
| schestowitz | Must have meant ubiquity, like cigarettes. | Jul 17 08:59 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/deusexstigma/status/621952023873785856 | Jul 17 09:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@deusexstigma: @schestowitz Feds propaganda101..discredit enemy with fake paedo slander | Jul 17 09:09 | |
| schestowitz | a done against @FreeMattDehart @Leann02 @PaulJDeHart - tarnish reputation first, then you tilt the balance of justice | Jul 17 09:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-permalink.gmane.org | GNOME 3.17.4 unstable tarballs due | Jul 17 09:20 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leaked images of Samsung Z3 with Tizen 3.0? We | Jul 17 09:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | don’t think so http://t.co/P5kZKAH1rH | Jul 17 09:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tizenexperts.com) | Jul 17 09:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | [Pictures] Leaked images of Samsung Z3 with Tizen 3.0? We don't think so - Tizen Experts | Jul 17 09:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n57g4 | Jul 17 09:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Samsung’s Brings New Tizen based JS7000 4K SUHD | Jul 17 09:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Smart TV to the Masses http://t.co/eM3OdZNkhS | Jul 17 09:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tizenexperts.com) | Jul 17 09:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Samsung’s Brings New Tizen based JS7000 4K SUHD Smart TV to the Masses - Tizen Experts | Jul 17 09:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n57g5 | Jul 17 09:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines OpenELEC 6.0 Beta 3 Is Based on Linux Kernel | Jul 17 09:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 4.1 and Kodi 15.0 "Isengard" RC2 | Jul 17 09:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Y6f2tRFklg (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 17 09:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | OpenELEC 6.0 Beta 3 Is Based on Linux Kernel 4.1 and Kodi 15.0 "Isengard" RC2 - Softpedia | Jul 17 09:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n57ga | Jul 17 09:43 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi favourited 'Shashlik: A New Way To Run Android Apps...' | Jul 17 09:43 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Shashlik: A New Way To Run Android Apps...' | Jul 17 09:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines MeX Linux Distro Is Now Based on Linux Mint | Jul 17 09:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 17.2, Ubuntu 15.04, and Debian 8 | Jul 17 09:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/aPprvOGNMT (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 17 09:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | MeX Linux Distro Is Now Based on Linux Mint 17.2, Ubuntu 15.04, and Debian 8 - Softpedia | Jul 17 09:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n57gv | Jul 17 09:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Here Are the New Beautified Monochromatic Icons | Jul 17 09:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of Ubuntu Linux http://t.co/25BkbFJ9vS | Jul 17 09:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Here Are the New Beautified Monochromatic Icons of Ubuntu Linux - Softpedia | Jul 17 09:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linux.softpedia.com) | Jul 17 09:45 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi favourited 'GNOME's Tracker Search Engine Reaches Version 1.5.0 with...' | Jul 17 09:45 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi retweeted @tuxmachines: 'GNOME's Tracker Search Engine Reaches Version 1.5.0 with...' | Jul 17 09:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android was 'probably the best decision Google | Jul 17 09:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by ever made' says its former leader | Jul 17 09:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @RamiSilawi http://t.co/JiqBhzB3IQ (uk.businessinsider.com) | Jul 17 09:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-uk.businessinsider.com | Hugo Barra on Android - Business Insider | Jul 17 09:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | "Barra told Chang" | Jul 17 09:51 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/621957423520174080 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/621957679976718336 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/621957911275773952 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/621958146236510209 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/621958373349687296 | Jul 17 09:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Android was 'probably the best decision Google ever made' says its former leader http://t.co/6HKCJccPd6 "Barra told Chang" | Jul 17 09:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Xubuntu Linux is Being Used to Teach Students at Colegio Hispano Americano in #PuertoRico http://t.co/eU1BtY2ppV #gnu #linux | Jul 17 09:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Xubuntu Linux Is Being Used to Teach Students at Colegio Hispano Americano in Puerto Rico - Softpedia | Jul 17 09:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Linux Mint 17.2 "Rafaela" Xfce Edition RC is Based on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and Xfce 4.12 http://t.co/xAmnjyaQJG #linuxmint #gnu #linux | Jul 17 09:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Linux Mint 17.2 "Rafaela" Xfce Edition RC Is Based on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and Xfce 4.12 - Softpedia | Jul 17 09:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Linux Mint 17.2 “Rafaela” KDE RC released! http://t.co/bsR63Ph3CD #kde #linuxmint #gnu #linux | Jul 17 09:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blog.linuxmint.com | The Linux Mint Blog » Blog Archive » Linux Mint 17.2 “Rafaela” KDE RC released! | Jul 17 09:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: GCC 5.2 Officially Released http://t.co/iLK0qrCjWJ #gcc #gnu #programming #c #cplusplus | Jul 17 09:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.phoronix.com | GCC 5.2 Officially Released - Phoronix | Jul 17 09:53 | |
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| r_schestowitz | tessier: http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/linus-torvalds-takes-fighter-jet-flights-to-relax-in-between-linux-kernel-pulls-487145.shtml | Jul 17 10:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Linus Torvalds Takes Fighter Jet Flights to Relax in Between Linux Kernel Pulls - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/n57ud ] | Jul 17 10:50 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6353440 | Jul 17 10:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: The world’s first ‘true Android PC’ costs just $20 http://bgr.com/2015/07/15/remix-mini-android-pc-kickstarter/ #android #linux | Jul 17 10:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> bgr.com | Remix Mini Android PC Kickstarter | BGR [ http://ur1.ca/n57uz ] | Jul 17 10:53 | |
| r_schestowitz | "why not. will they depend on Google for their android remix? Why do they not use cyanogen mod as a base?" | Jul 17 10:53 |
| r_schestowitz | "Replicant or Paranoid Android ?" | Jul 17 10:53 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6354377 | Jul 17 10:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Alternative is the question, Linux is the answer http://www.techrepublic.com/article/alternative-is-the-question-linux-is-the-answer/ #gnu #linux | Jul 17 10:55 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techrepublic.com | Alternative is the question, Linux is the answer - TechRepublic [ http://ur1.ca/n5748 ] | Jul 17 10:55 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jul 17 10:55 |
| r_schestowitz | How could linux be an alternative to windows ? | Jul 17 10:55 |
| r_schestowitz | It’s so very different. Same with Diaspora and Facebok. Diaspora isn’t an alternative. | Jul 17 10:55 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jul 17 10:55 |
| r_schestowitz | Wallen also calls Microsoft "popular" | Jul 17 10:55 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6354615 | Jul 17 10:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Mozilla Winter of Security is back! https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2015/07/15/mozilla-winter-of-security-is-back/ looks like some kind of #iceweasel logo | Jul 17 10:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blog.mozilla.org | Mozilla Winter of Security is back! | Mozilla Security Blog [ http://ur1.ca/n57vf ] | Jul 17 10:56 | |
| r_schestowitz | "|nice idea, exchanged the logo and it looks neat." | Jul 17 10:56 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6354338 | Jul 17 10:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #uk public brainwashed by corporate media and tricked into believing that government should treat us all like kids... because terrorism! | Jul 17 10:56 | |
| r_schestowitz | "NLP ! COMMON PURPOSE ,TAVISTOCK INSTITUTE,MASONIC BOOM etc, most so dumbed down with fluoride and vaccine neuro toxins their brains are not working so well and if they are ,people can be individually targeted with microwaves etc" | Jul 17 10:56 |
| r_schestowitz | LOL | Jul 17 10:56 |
| r_schestowitz | crazy shit | Jul 17 10:56 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/621980370871951360 | Jul 17 10:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz hehe :D | Jul 17 10:57 | |
| r_schestowitz | There IS such a thing as too much money... | Jul 17 10:57 |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: too much money printed equal hyper inflation. | Jul 17 10:58 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6354285 | Jul 17 10:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #debian without #systemd http://www.devuan.org/ They've redone the page completely | Jul 17 10:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.devuan.org | Devuan GNU/Linux - Debian without systemd. | Jul 17 10:58 | |
| r_schestowitz | "From what I can see, systemd still gets installed as a dependency, but not as the init program (according to the man page, if run other than as init, it will pass signals through to the actual init)." | Jul 17 10:58 |
| r_schestowitz | oiaohm: but that's different | Jul 17 10:58 |
| r_schestowitz | oiaohm: what I meant was (see context), torvalds not sure what to do with the money | Jul 17 10:58 |
| r_schestowitz | he just needs a PC with monitor | Jul 17 10:58 |
| r_schestowitz | but earns a lot for it | Jul 17 10:58 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/621982211861020672 | Jul 17 10:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz yes there is… | Jul 17 10:59 | |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: that is the thing about systemd it was designed to be able to operate even if it don't have PID1 | Jul 17 11:00 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tokvbok retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Gets the Latest LibreOffice...' | Jul 17 11:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 17/7/2015: Linux Mint 17.2 RC, Google | Jul 17 11:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Joins OpenStack http://t.co/8PudhEXFcE | Jul 17 11:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (techrights.org) | Jul 17 11:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n57xf | Jul 17 11:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/5XH7WUvGHd | Jul 17 11:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 11:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz | Jul 17 11:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 17/7/2015: Linux Mint 17.2 RC, Google Joins OpenStack | Techrights | Jul 17 11:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jul 17 11:02 | |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: the big issue about systemd that started a lot of complains was lack of cross platform. | Jul 17 11:02 |
| tessier | Cool | Jul 17 11:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: OSS http://t.co/xSWzidxF92 | Jul 17 12:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 12:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: OSS | Tux Machines | Jul 17 12:05 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/6VN49QSavs | Jul 17 12:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 12:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Jul 17 12:06 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/C1LF92KgW7 | Jul 17 12:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 12:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 17 12:06 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Major Update Confirmed for July 20 | Jul 17 13:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch Major Update Confirmed for July 20 | Tux Machines | Jul 17 13:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/YlCN0uYJ5i | Jul 17 13:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 13:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jul 17 13:05 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/FHjgMrqCcG | Jul 17 13:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 13:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jul 17 13:05 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6353440 | Jul 17 17:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: The world’s first ‘true Android PC’ costs just $20 http://bgr.com/2015/07/15/remix-mini-android-pc-kickstarter/ #android #linux | Jul 17 17:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> bgr.com | Remix Mini Android PC Kickstarter | BGR [ http://ur1.ca/n57uz ] | Jul 17 17:38 | |
| r_schestowitz | "GNU/Linux or FreeBSD? These are real operating systems." | Jul 17 17:38 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jul 17 17:38 |
| r_schestowitz | Android is based on GNU / Linux | Jul 17 17:38 |
| r_schestowitz | huhu | Jul 17 17:38 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jul 17 17:38 |
| MinceR | not nearly as much GNU as Linux | Jul 17 17:41 |
| r_schestowitz | Android is based on GNU / Linux | Jul 17 17:48 |
| r_schestowitz | huhu | Jul 17 17:48 |
| r_schestowitz | Jul 17 17:48 | |
| r_schestowitz | Android is based on GNU / Linux | Jul 17 17:48 |
| r_schestowitz | huhu | Jul 17 17:48 |
| r_schestowitz | Jul 17 17:48 | |
| r_schestowitz | Android is based on GNU / Linux | Jul 17 17:48 |
| r_schestowitz | huhu | Jul 17 17:48 |
| r_schestowitz | crap | Jul 17 17:48 |
| r_schestowitz | sorry | Jul 17 17:48 |
| r_schestowitz | paste malfunction | Jul 17 17:48 |
| r_schestowitz | Unity has no klipper-like thing | Jul 17 17:48 |
| r_schestowitz | as far as I know | Jul 17 17:49 |
| r_schestowitz | which makes it hard to use | Jul 17 17:49 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 17 17:49 |
| MinceR | if you have a systray-compatible tray, you could run klipper or clipit or parcellite or similar | Jul 17 17:50 |
| cubexyz | I'm using wall (modified) to pass messages between computers | Jul 17 17:52 |
| MinceR | i had the idea to develop a web and/or text ui-based networked "clipboard" application, but have yet to get around to actually doing it | Jul 17 17:55 |
| cubexyz | ssh or telnet + wall == method that works for every *nix since v7 | Jul 17 17:58 |
| cubexyz | er, not v7 actually | Jul 17 17:59 |
| cubexyz | every *nix that has tcp/ip I should say | Jul 17 17:59 |
| cubexyz | so I can telnet into quasijarus and wall from there if necessary | Jul 17 18:00 |
| cubexyz | 4.3 BSD Quasijarus UNIX #3: Sat Feb 14 20:31:03 PST 2004 | Jul 17 18:02 |
| MinceR | vim in screen -x would work too | Jul 17 18:06 |
| MinceR | though an approach where i could limit what the interface can do from less trusted computers would be nice | Jul 17 18:07 |
| MinceR | http://imgur.com/gallery/K16xk93 | Jul 17 18:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-imgur.com | Truth - Imgur | Jul 17 18:08 | |
| cubexyz | stupid quasijarus uses 19xx for the year | Jul 17 18:17 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 17 18:18 |
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| cubexyz | ah, I'm incorrect | Jul 17 19:10 |
| cubexyz | 4.3 BSD Quasijarus UNIX | Jul 17 19:12 |
| cubexyz | Fri Jul 17 17:11:37 EST 2015 | Jul 17 19:12 |
| cubexyz | had to set it manually | Jul 17 19:12 |
| cubexyz | evidently there's no netcat and no ntp | Jul 17 19:13 |
| cubexyz | not sure why it was showing 2004 before | Jul 17 19:14 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines FreeBSD Developers Arguing Over Their New Code | Jul 17 20:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of Conduct http://t.co/QgcH73qbXk | Jul 17 20:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FreeBSD Developers Arguing Over Their New Code of Conduct | Tux Machines | Jul 17 20:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Intel Celeron N3050 Braswell Linux Performance | Jul 17 20:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/PYDxpUmHeu (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 20:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Intel Celeron N3050 Braswell Linux Performance | Tux Machines | Jul 17 20:09 | |
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| MinceR | https://twitter.com/ieure/status/614130731770617856 | Jul 17 20:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ieure: Ah, finally got my Emacs setup just how I like it. http://t.co/f0B10cZybh | Jul 17 20:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ieure: Ah, finally got my Emacs setup just how I like it. http://t.co/f0B10cZybh | Jul 17 20:37 | |
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| cubexyz | clearly the nature successor to quasijarus was the BSDs: OpenBSD, NetBSD, FreeBSD | Jul 17 20:38 |
| cubexyz | s/nature/natural/ | Jul 17 20:39 |
| cubexyz | the lineage is quite clear | Jul 17 20:39 |
| cubexyz | utilities that seem new to me in quasijarus are in OpenBSD but not Linux | Jul 17 20:39 |
| cubexyz | so a lot of the Bell Labs v6/v7 folks became BSD people | Jul 17 20:40 |
| cubexyz | not saying OpenBSD is better than Linux as a desktop though | Jul 17 20:41 |
| cubexyz | but it is a lot different | Jul 17 20:41 |
| cubexyz | Linux had something extra, more commercial development, e.g. Loki and LGP and Steam | Jul 17 20:43 |
| cubexyz | the hippies kind of beat the suits so to speak, at least from my point of view | Jul 17 20:45 |
| cubexyz | hippies == Linux/BSD | Jul 17 20:46 |
| cubexyz | suits = AIX, Solaris, etc | Jul 17 20:46 |
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| cubexyz | it was possible to run a 4.3BSD on a microvax, but the thing was they were really expensive, like over 25K$ | Jul 17 20:57 |
| cubexyz | around 1987... same for Sun machines at the time, very expensive | Jul 17 20:57 |
| cubexyz | so instead I had my crappy 286 running Xenix which kind of sucked | Jul 17 20:59 |
| cubexyz | just to give people an idea about just how crap that era was... you had to pay SCO $1K for the compiler | Jul 17 21:00 |
| cubexyz | so sure, you had a AT&T SysV at a relatively affordable price but... | Jul 17 21:01 |
| cubexyz | no TCP/IP just uucp | Jul 17 21:01 |
| cubexyz | no X Window System | Jul 17 21:01 |
| cubexyz | no source code to speak of | Jul 17 21:02 |
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| cubexyz | Tanenbaum got a huge grant back in 2008 to produce a reliable operating system ($3.2 million) | Jul 17 21:23 |
| cubexyz | the kernel is bigger than I thought, 3.3 is 12,700 lines of code | Jul 17 21:23 |
| cubexyz | so qemu minix 3.3 is on the cards | Jul 17 21:24 |
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| cubexyz | ok, liking minix 3.3 so far | Jul 17 22:23 |
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| cubexyz | oiaohm, I'm testing Minix 3.3 today | Jul 17 23:58 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: its fun other than lack of drivers | Jul 18 00:10 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: mozilla has firefox working on wayland and redhat has libreoffice allmost. | Jul 18 00:11 |
| oiaohm | So we are up to the point were applications are now being conveted with wayland. | Jul 18 00:18 |
| MinceR | pity firefox is going to hell | Jul 18 00:20 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: really firefox has been a problem child. Its like Openssl lack of resources. | Jul 18 00:52 |
| MinceR | it's worse | Jul 18 00:52 |
| MinceR | they're adding all sorts of evil crap and removing useful UI settings | Jul 18 00:53 |
| oiaohm | If you mean XUL and XBL in useful setting that is a resources problem and something has to give. | Jul 18 00:54 |
| MinceR | i mean the cisco blob, Extremely Malicious Extensions and the Pocket blob | Jul 18 00:55 |
| MinceR | oh, in useful settings i mean stuff like enable/disable javascript and specifying what javascript is allowed to do with the windows | Jul 18 00:55 |
| oiaohm | Cisco blob has full source code. Shipping from Cisco gives the patent license. | Jul 18 00:56 |
| oiaohm | Pocket Blob I can see direct problem with. | Jul 18 00:56 |
| oiaohm | https://wiki.mozilla.org/Media/EME MinceR EME blob vs having a Flash plugin | Jul 18 00:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.mozilla.org | Media/EME - MozillaWiki | Jul 18 00:57 | |
| MinceR | yeah, i don't care for cisco's patent bullshit | Jul 18 00:57 |
| MinceR | or whatever they put in the blob that's not in the published sources | Jul 18 00:57 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its not cisco patent bullshit. | Jul 18 00:57 |
| MinceR | i don't care for the Trash excuse either | Jul 18 00:57 |
| oiaohm | Its Microsoft and the group of trolls who would have firefox binarys removed from servers if they shipped with the opensource bit. | Jul 18 00:58 |
| MinceR | and i don't like how mozilla is giving up everything it used to stand for for the sake of market share | Jul 18 00:58 |
| oiaohm | Cisco blob is a side effect of Microsoft evil. | Jul 18 00:58 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft and apples evil. | Jul 18 00:58 |
| MinceR | well yeah, one principal problem is TBL and the w3c selling out to micro$oft and the rest of the fascists | Jul 18 00:58 |
| MinceR | and mozilla is not standing against them either | Jul 18 00:58 |
| oiaohm | Mozilla has stood up against them quite a lot. | Jul 18 00:59 |
| MinceR | html5 has been poisoned and it's time to fork the web and take it away from these criminals | Jul 18 00:59 |
| MinceR | yeah, a while ago | Jul 18 00:59 |
| MinceR | then they gave up | Jul 18 00:59 |
| oiaohm | Still are. | Jul 18 00:59 |
| oiaohm | But there come a point where you are stuck. | Jul 18 00:59 |
| MinceR | they gave up to the point that now they started pulling in the Pocket blob nobody asked them to | Jul 18 00:59 |
| oiaohm | Allow EME then Flash can be terminated | Jul 18 00:59 |
| MinceR | which won't help you at all | Jul 18 00:59 |
| oiaohm | Pocket blob is about funding for development. | Jul 18 00:59 |
| MinceR | since now your entire web is a closed blob of shit | Jul 18 01:00 |
| MinceR | before then you could just disable Trash or not install it and have an open web | Jul 18 01:00 |
| oiaohm | Mozilla is still shipping EME free firefox. | Jul 18 01:00 |
| MinceR | afaik they support EME | Jul 18 01:00 |
| oiaohm | And Mozilla still include a EME off switch. | Jul 18 01:00 |
| MinceR | that's not the right way | Jul 18 01:00 |
| oiaohm | So EME is no different to the flash plugin. | Jul 18 01:00 |
| oiaohm | Except it cannot do anywhere near as much. | Jul 18 01:01 |
| MinceR | it can do just as much | Jul 18 01:01 |
| MinceR | it enables the fascists to encrypt the entire website and serve it only to browsers they happen to like | Jul 18 01:01 |
| MinceR | and then you have to break the DRM to access the website | Jul 18 01:01 |
| MinceR | or run their malware | Jul 18 01:01 |
| cubexyz | there are some bad sites, yes | Jul 18 01:02 |
| oiaohm | EME under firefox is only on video streams MinceR | Jul 18 01:02 |
| cubexyz | it's been like that for a while though | Jul 18 01:02 |
| MinceR | and of course if someone ships a browser that breaks the DRM, they'll get sued using DMCA/WCT | Jul 18 01:02 |
| oiaohm | Flash could be images and other crap as well MinceR | Jul 18 01:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so yes it has reduced area. | Jul 18 01:02 |
| MinceR | for how long? | Jul 18 01:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: for ever. | Jul 18 01:03 |
| MinceR | for how long must we keep appeasing fascists? | Jul 18 01:03 |
| MinceR | it didn't work with hitler either | Jul 18 01:03 |
| MinceR | it won't work with putler, it won't work with m$/crApple/mpeg-la | Jul 18 01:03 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: with EME the fascists were not particularly happy either. The standard states that the plugin must run in a sandbox so not able to access the host OS. | Jul 18 01:05 |
| MinceR | it's not like they didn't ignore the standards before when it suited them | Jul 18 01:05 |
| cubexyz | oh boy, that didn't really go well | Jul 18 01:06 |
| cubexyz | Minix is.... ugh, I hate to say not ready | Jul 18 01:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the standard also states open source versions of EME are allowed. | Jul 18 01:06 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: so i've heard | Jul 18 01:07 |
| oiaohm | Lets say it did not really go that well MinceR | Jul 18 01:07 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: "are allowed" won't do anything | Jul 18 01:07 |
| MinceR | the companies who keep the w3c in their pocket and pass shit like this avoid free software whenever they can | Jul 18 01:07 |
| oiaohm | Places like netflicks and so on said they would not give content to webbrowsers without it. If need they would drop out of using browsers completely. | Jul 18 01:08 |
| cubexyz | DRM always gets broken | Jul 18 01:08 |
| MinceR | it's better if they stop using browsers | Jul 18 01:08 |
| MinceR | at least then their malware runs outside the browser | Jul 18 01:08 |
| MinceR | without all the unnecessary UI elements around it | Jul 18 01:09 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: cubexyz is correct. In a define sandbox in fact the DRM is more attackable. | Jul 18 01:09 |
| MinceR | of course it always gets broken | Jul 18 01:09 |
| MinceR | but those who ship a browser that breaks it will be subject to lawsuits | Jul 18 01:09 |
| cubexyz | we've been through all this before with DVD-Jon | Jul 18 01:10 |
| MinceR | so for most users the choice will appear to be "run IE (or equivalent) or have no access to our site" | Jul 18 01:10 |
| oiaohm | What you just stated is exaclty what Mozilla faced if it did not agree some what. | Jul 18 01:10 |
| oiaohm | And what was already happening to firefox. | Jul 18 01:10 |
| MinceR | at least we could have a standard free browser | Jul 18 01:11 |
| MinceR | and that could be a basis for a truly open set of web standards | Jul 18 01:11 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Microsoft Silverlight was required to access a lot of the sites that have agreed to use EME | Jul 18 01:12 |
| MinceR | silver lie is dead. | Jul 18 01:12 |
| MinceR | even m$ gave up on it. | Jul 18 01:12 |
| oiaohm | Yet contect providers were using it up until 8 months ago. | Jul 18 01:12 |
| oiaohm | Reason why pipelight exists on Linux. | Jul 18 01:13 |
| MinceR | at least silver lie and trash keeps the infection to a few sites | Jul 18 01:13 |
| oiaohm | EME is about killing off silverlight and flash. | Jul 18 01:13 |
| MinceR | the way html5 is going, it will be everywhere. | Jul 18 01:13 |
| cubexyz | silverlight was EOLed was it not? | Jul 18 01:13 |
| MinceR | "killing off" silver lie and Trash like this will accomplish exactly nothing | Jul 18 01:13 |
| MinceR | it just turns html/css/js into another Trash/silver lie | Jul 18 01:14 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: content providers obey EOL statements they don't as long as it still shipping there were going to keep on using it. Welcome to security hole from hell. | Jul 18 01:14 |
| MinceR | it's like everyone making flash sites. | Jul 18 01:14 |
| cubexyz | got to keep the software churn going for windows 11 :) | Jul 18 01:14 |
| MinceR | they don't care about security | Jul 18 01:14 |
| MinceR | they never did | Jul 18 01:14 |
| oiaohm | dealing with content providers is like hurding cats not simple. | Jul 18 01:15 |
| cubexyz | everytime I think... it's time for Minix... it disappoints | Jul 18 01:15 |
| MinceR | and by the way, alleged "free software" downloading and running random native code blobs whenever websites feel like it won't be any good for security. | Jul 18 01:15 |
| MinceR | it shouldn't be herding cats, it should be exterminating pests. | Jul 18 01:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I live in Australia wild cats you hurd them then kill them. | Jul 18 01:16 |
| MinceR | also, running random blobs won't be any good for freedom, either | Jul 18 01:16 |
| oiaohm | First stage of hurding the content provoiders was getting them off writing there own custom secuirty browser plugins. | Jul 18 01:17 |
| MinceR | at least you had to install Trash and silver lie manually | Jul 18 01:17 |
| oiaohm | Next is reduce them down to 1. | Jul 18 01:17 |
| cubexyz | I think I had less trouble getting quasijarus to work than Minix | Jul 18 01:17 |
| MinceR | now we have allegedly free browsers just deciding on their own to download, install and run malware. | Jul 18 01:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the pocket thing I did not agree with. | Jul 18 01:17 |
| MinceR | chrome also did it with their always listening voice bullshit. | Jul 18 01:17 |
| MinceR | even in chromium. | Jul 18 01:17 |
| oiaohm | That chromium one is a warning. | Jul 18 01:18 |
| oiaohm | http://thehackernews.com/2015/06/webassembly-fastest-browser.html | Jul 18 01:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thehackernews.com | WebAssembly — New Standard for Powerful and Faster Web Apps [ http://ur1.ca/n5fqz ] | Jul 18 01:18 | |
| MinceR | yeah | Jul 18 01:18 |
| MinceR | and we'd better heed that warning | Jul 18 01:18 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that vocie thing is NACL. | Jul 18 01:19 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter | Jul 18 01:19 |
| oiaohm | O it does matter. | Jul 18 01:19 |
| MinceR | any non-trivial software has bugs | Jul 18 01:19 |
| MinceR | any sandbox can be broken | Jul 18 01:19 |
| oiaohm | What is the updated replacemtn to NACL. | Jul 18 01:19 |
| MinceR | we shouldn't be running random code willy-nilly all the time. | Jul 18 01:19 |
| oiaohm | What I just linked to MinceR | Jul 18 01:19 |
| oiaohm | The strongest possible DRM is a DRM that is part of the stream. | Jul 18 01:19 |
| MinceR | especially when it comes from fascist corporations that love DRM and invasion of privacy | Jul 18 01:19 |
| MinceR | no, the strongest possible DRM is when general purpose computers are illegal and you have an appliance only the government/megacorporation has root on. | Jul 18 01:20 |
| oiaohm | How to you universally crack something where each user gets a unique edition. | Jul 18 01:20 |
| MinceR | and we're going that way. | Jul 18 01:20 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, impossible | Jul 18 01:20 |
| MinceR | that's what Treacherous Computing, UEFI and intel boot guard are all about. | Jul 18 01:20 |
| cubexyz | it will never get that bad | Jul 18 01:20 |
| MinceR | it will, unless the people resist in time. | Jul 18 01:21 |
| MinceR | oh, also, "app stores" | Jul 18 01:21 |
| MinceR | of the crApple kind | Jul 18 01:21 |
| oiaohm | People are voting with feet and going Android more often. | Jul 18 01:21 |
| MinceR | and android usually tended towards becoming more closed | Jul 18 01:21 |
| MinceR | android M might be an exception | Jul 18 01:22 |
| MinceR | but it's too early to call, imo | Jul 18 01:22 |
| oiaohm | For some reason users do like the fact they can install more than 1 app store. | Jul 18 01:22 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: 40 percent of all Android sold is ASOP without google bits. | Jul 18 01:22 |
| MinceR | and people who are forcing DRM at any cost dislike that fact | Jul 18 01:22 |
| oiaohm | Note what I said MinceR | Jul 18 01:22 |
| oiaohm | People are voting with their feet with Android. | Jul 18 01:22 |
| MinceR | meanwhile google is moving formerly AOSP components to google play-dependent closed android. | Jul 18 01:22 |
| MinceR | and they're forcing the non-google AOSP users ever more strongly | Jul 18 01:23 |
| oiaohm | And companies making AOSP devices are using open source play inteface replacements. | Jul 18 01:23 |
| MinceR | and the other mobile platforms are even worse | Jul 18 01:23 |
| cubexyz | zaurus had openbsd | Jul 18 01:23 |
| oiaohm | Google is in a dog fight MinceR | Jul 18 01:23 |
| MinceR | zaurus is ancient and not manufactured anymore, afaik | Jul 18 01:23 |
| MinceR | yeah, and we'll lose that dog fight if things keep going this way | Jul 18 01:24 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://github.com/microg | Jul 18 01:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | μg Project · GitHub | Jul 18 01:25 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Note 2 years ago AOSP was only 25 percent of Android sales. | Jul 18 01:25 |
| MinceR | does it provide a drop-in replacement for Google Play Services? | Jul 18 01:25 |
| oiaohm | For what is implemented microg is drop in replacement to applciations. | Jul 18 01:26 |
| MinceR | applications that depend on Google Play Services will still fail | Jul 18 01:26 |
| oiaohm | Yes the application thinks it talking to google play services but microg is answering. | Jul 18 01:26 |
| MinceR | that's nice | Jul 18 01:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: applications that depend on features of google play services that microg have not implemented yet fail. But this is also true of new applicaiton on old phone that has not updated. | Jul 18 01:27 |
| oiaohm | microg is being supported from developers from companies making AOSP phones. | Jul 18 01:28 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so Android is not as cut and dried as people attempt to make out. You want to suppor the open side buy ASOP phones. | Jul 18 01:29 |
| oiaohm | I would like to see ASOP sales cross 50 percent. | Jul 18 01:30 |
| MinceR | i haven't seen many AOSP phones | Jul 18 01:31 |
| MinceR | though afaik they're common in red china | Jul 18 01:31 |
| MinceR | due to the government pissing off google, i suppose | Jul 18 01:31 |
| oiaohm | https://github.com/microg/JGooglePlay This bit is the most funny MinceR | Jul 18 01:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | microg/JGooglePlay · GitHub | Jul 18 01:31 | |
| oiaohm | So not only can a microg phone run most apps without google play services installed it can still download them from google play. | Jul 18 01:31 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 18 01:31 |
| MinceR | is it subject to the google play backdoor this way? | Jul 18 01:32 |
| oiaohm | No they reverse engenering client. | Jul 18 01:32 |
| MinceR | awesome | Jul 18 01:32 |
| MinceR | i wonder how long will google allow it to remain compatible | Jul 18 01:32 |
| oiaohm | Thinking samsung and many others make ASOP phones | Jul 18 01:33 |
| MinceR | i doubt they sell them in europe, though | Jul 18 01:33 |
| oiaohm | Yes you find samsung developers in microg | Jul 18 01:33 |
| oiaohm | So google is kinda limited how hard they can push before upsetting there supply lines. | Jul 18 01:33 |
| oiaohm | This is one time to be thankful for trade restrictions. | Jul 18 01:34 |
| oiaohm | Remember samsung has a factory in north korra on the USA do not export to list. | Jul 18 01:34 |
| oiaohm | So samsung factory in north korra cannot use google play services as that is not allowed by USA export rules. | Jul 18 01:34 |
| MinceR | what good is a factory in north korea to samsung? | Jul 18 01:35 |
| MinceR | slave workers to make cheap phones for red china? | Jul 18 01:35 |
| oiaohm | Cheep labor rates MinceR | Jul 18 01:35 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Jul 18 01:35 |
| oiaohm | So samsung and other makers evil is countering google evil attempt. | Jul 18 01:35 |
| MinceR | i wonder how long our luck will last | Jul 18 01:36 |
| oiaohm | No device maker is going to give up cheep labour we know this. | Jul 18 01:36 |
| oiaohm | Only way this will end is if someone USA governement gives up having trade restrictions. | Jul 18 01:36 |
| oiaohm | Or google gives in. | Jul 18 01:37 |
| oiaohm | So as long as the status stays the way it is Android will be fairly safe. | Jul 18 01:37 |
| MinceR | what if the USA government instead reduces the restrictions on trade with north korea? | Jul 18 01:37 |
| MinceR | (enabling samsung to make google play-enabled phones there) | Jul 18 01:38 |
| oiaohm | I used north korea as an example. | Jul 18 01:38 |
| oiaohm | Samsung and other devices makers have factories in country after country with trade restrictions. | Jul 18 01:38 |
| MinceR | sure, but wherever they have trade restrictions, they can also revoke them | Jul 18 01:38 |
| MinceR | they did so with cuba, afaik | Jul 18 01:38 |
| oiaohm | But at the same time USA normally creates new trade restrictions. | Jul 18 01:39 |
| oiaohm | The effect of trade restrictions is normally lowing wages. | Jul 18 01:39 |
| oiaohm | This is a never ending cycle MinceR | Jul 18 01:39 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6354285 | Jul 18 08:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #debian without #systemd http://www.devuan.org/ They've redone the page completely | Jul 18 08:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.devuan.org | Devuan GNU/Linux - Debian without systemd. | Jul 18 08:36 | |
| schestowitz | "I am happy with previous stable #wheezy and I guess I had to start using #backports of wheezy. When it reaches end of life … hope there is support for #devuan !" | Jul 18 08:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 18 08:37 |
| schestowitz | @rodrigocorozo@diasp.de , the one system where I use Debian–now Devuan–is a VPS that allows me no alternative. Devuan offered a straight-forward migration path. | Jul 18 08:37 |
| schestowitz | The rest of my systems are FreeBSD, where systemd is simply not an issue. | Jul 18 08:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 18 08:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Samsung gearing up to launch a Tizen Smartphone | Jul 18 08:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | in Europe? http://t.co/klReF3Ux80 | Jul 18 08:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tizenexperts.com) | Jul 18 08:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Samsung gearing up to launch a Tizen Smartphone in Europe? - Tizen Experts | Jul 18 08:43 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Time for a brutal TELLY-OFF: Android TV versus | Jul 18 08:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Firefox OS | Jul 18 08:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Krx8xMJk8u (www.theregister.co.uk) | Jul 18 08:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Time for a brutal TELLY-OFF: Android TV versus Firefox OS • The Register | Jul 18 08:43 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Acer Chromebook 15 for Linux and Wimbledon | Jul 18 08:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/XBnOfISet1 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 08:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Acer Chromebook 15 for Linux and Wimbledon | Tux Machines | Jul 18 08:43 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat argues enterprises are being | Jul 18 09:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | “deliberate” in IoT implementations | Jul 18 09:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/TGDZoWZZKi (www.appstechnews.com) | Jul 18 09:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.appstechnews.com | Red Hat argues enterprises are being “deliberate” in IoT implementations - Enterprise Apps Tech News | Jul 18 09:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines End Of An Era, LinuxGames Website Looks To Be | Jul 18 09:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Shutting Down https://t.co/0s8CxM60XK | Jul 18 09:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Jul 18 09:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | End Of An Era, LinuxGames Website Looks To Be Shutting Down | GamingOnLinux | Jul 18 09:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google Overfills Linux Chief’s Spam Folder | Jul 18 09:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/kxqz5f6TZc (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 09:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google Overfills Linux Chief’s Spam Folder | Tux Machines | Jul 18 09:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Enterprises Taking a Calculated Approach to the | Jul 18 09:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Internet of Things: Red Hat | Jul 18 09:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/M8xvfzEHAX (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 09:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Enterprises Taking a Calculated Approach to the Internet of Things: Red Hat | Tux Machines | Jul 18 09:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Flock Will Only Be Playable For A Limited | Jul 18 09:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Time, Releasing For Linux This Year | Jul 18 09:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/f9CsakBD57 (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Jul 18 09:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | The Flock Will Only Be Playable For A Limited Time, Releasing For Linux This Year | GamingOnLinux | Jul 18 09:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora Infrastructure over to Ipsilon | Jul 18 09:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/J2NQBwscZk (patrick.uiterwijk.org) | Jul 18 09:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patrick.uiterwijk.org | Fedora Infrastructure over to Ipsilon - Patrick Uiterwijk | Jul 18 09:11 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Caves Of Qud Science Fantasy Roguelike Now In | Jul 18 09:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Early Access For Linux, Some Thoughts | Jul 18 09:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/bPysAOYIiq (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Jul 18 09:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Caves Of Qud Science Fantasy Roguelike Now In Early Access For Linux, Some Thoughts | GamingOnLinux | Jul 18 09:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines First steps with smartcards under Linux and | Jul 18 09:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android — hard, but it works | Jul 18 09:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/1QvQ5hoaMe (changelog.complete.org) | Jul 18 09:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-changelog.complete.org | First steps with smartcards under Linux and Android — hard, but it works | The Changelog | Jul 18 09:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines This mini Android PC is yours for just $30 on | Jul 18 09:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Kickstarter [VIDEO] | Jul 18 09:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/AbzyGqHCPY (phandroid.com) | Jul 18 09:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-phandroid.com | This mini Android PC is yours for just $30 on Kickstarter | Jul 18 09:32 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How smartphone companies are screwing with your | Jul 18 09:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android phone http://t.co/xHtUoxvu3M | Jul 18 09:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-uk.businessinsider.com | Samsung, HTC, and LG skins and bloatware ruin pure Android - Business Insider | Jul 18 09:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (uk.businessinsider.com) "barely resembles the | Jul 18 09:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | "clean" version" | Jul 18 09:32 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Software License Updated to Comply with | Jul 18 09:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GNU GPL http://t.co/ZTtWf4ymcc | Jul 18 09:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 09:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Software License Updated to Comply with GNU GPL | Tux Machines | Jul 18 09:55 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Samsung Z3 is the developer giveaway at the | Jul 18 09:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tizen Developer Summit 2015 | Jul 18 09:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/FdpZJXn5Yw (www.tizenexperts.com) | Jul 18 09:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Samsung Z3 is the developer giveaway at the Tizen Developer Summit 2015 - Tizen Experts | Jul 18 09:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google Overfills Linux Chief’s Spam Folder | Jul 18 09:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Vfyu1lmP0j (blogs.wsj.com) | Jul 18 09:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.wsj.com | Google Overfills Linux Chief’s Spam Folder - Digits - WSJ | Jul 18 09:56 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Enterprises Taking a Calculated Approach to the | Jul 18 10:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Internet of Things: Red Hat | Jul 18 10:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/7v6JTLgxi0 (www.datamation.com) | Jul 18 10:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datamation.com | Enterprises Taking a Calculated Approach to the Internet of Things: Red Hat - Datamation | Jul 18 10:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Firefox OS fork “H5OS” gets a $100 million | Jul 18 10:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | boost http://t.co/5B7jX9ygUn (linuxgizmos.com) | Jul 18 10:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Firefox OS fork "H5OS" gets a $100 million boost · LinuxGizmos.com | Jul 18 10:01 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat Makes Progress On Firefox Native For | Jul 18 10:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Wayland http://t.co/JSyHIC3Sxp | Jul 18 10:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Jul 18 10:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Red Hat Makes Progress On Firefox Native For Wayland - Phoronix | Jul 18 10:01 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Major Update Confirmed for July 20 | Jul 18 10:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/azIvUYeSbC (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 18 10:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch Major Update Confirmed for July 20 - Softpedia | Jul 18 10:05 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME vs KDE: Usability vs. Options | Jul 18 10:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/o5yFadBbky (www.datamation.com) | Jul 18 10:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datamation.com | GNOME vs KDE: Usability vs. Options - Datamation | Jul 18 10:06 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Kubuntu's Jonathan Riddell Says Ubuntu Policy | Jul 18 10:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Is Still Lacking http://t.co/JPaFMiNFNh | Jul 18 10:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Kubuntu's Jonathan Riddell Says Ubuntu Policy Is Still Lacking - Softpedia | Jul 18 10:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 18 10:06 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus OS Gets a Refreshed Filysystem and Is | Jul 18 10:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Moving Closer to a Stable Release | Jul 18 10:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/pZs6mzWGVV (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 18 10:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Solus OS Gets a Refreshed Filysystem and Is Moving Closer to a Stable Release - Softpedia | Jul 18 10:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora: The Latest http://t.co/v22gTrTtQH | Jul 18 10:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 10:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora: The Latest | Tux Machines | Jul 18 10:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-5 Update Detailed | Jul 18 10:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/iTpQOgcDOm (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 18 10:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch OTA-5 Update Detailed - Softpedia | Jul 18 10:13 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Clonezilla Live OS Is Now Using Linux Kernel | Jul 18 10:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 4.0.8 http://t.co/LNCm5WSaas | Jul 18 10:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Clonezilla Live OS Is Now Using Linux Kernel 4.0.8 - Softpedia | Jul 18 10:17 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linux.softpedia.com) | Jul 18 10:17 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Voyager X8 – One of the Best Linux Distros | Jul 18 10:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | You’ve Never Heard Of https://t.co/X1qIwjzcHb | Jul 18 10:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Voyager X8 - One of the Best Linux Distros Never Heard Of | Jul 18 10:17 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.maketecheasier.com) | Jul 18 10:17 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Intel Celeron N3050 Braswell Linux Performance | Jul 18 10:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/LXmpFQIRLQ (www.phoronix.com) | Jul 18 10:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Intel Celeron N3050 Braswell Linux Performance Review - Phoronix | Jul 18 10:17 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tizen Dev Tools Version 15.01 Released | Jul 18 10:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/ghzJ3uS2W2 (www.tizenexperts.com) | Jul 18 10:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | [Developer] Tizen Dev Tools Version 15.01 Released - Tizen Experts | Jul 18 10:17 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LibreOffice GTK3 On Wayland Starts To Work | Jul 18 10:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/TR6Y65IdmV (www.phoronix.com) | Jul 18 10:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | LibreOffice GTK3 On Wayland Starts To Work - Phoronix | Jul 18 10:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition Review | Jul 18 10:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Vz3gpmLNmR (www.linuxuser.co.uk) | Jul 18 10:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxuser.co.uk | Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition Review | Linux User & Developer - the Linux and FOSS mag for a GNU generation | Jul 18 10:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Daily Builds for Ubuntu 15.10 Return After One | Jul 18 10:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Month of Absence http://t.co/eM3VbxFxqj | Jul 18 10:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Daily Builds for Ubuntu 15.10 Return After One Month of Absence - Softpedia | Jul 18 10:46 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 7-inch industrial touchscreen modules run Linux | Jul 18 10:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | on i.MX6 http://t.co/4AuAnof5fS | Jul 18 10:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | 7-inch industrial touchscreen modules run Linux on i.MX6 · LinuxGizmos.com | Jul 18 10:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linuxgizmos.com) | Jul 18 10:58 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi retweeted @tuxmachines: '7-inch industrial touchscreen modules run Linux on i.MX6...' | Jul 18 10:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Plasma 5.4 Freeze on schedule for summer | Jul 18 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | release (late August they said) | Jul 18 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/HOOACtDh6Y | Jul 18 11:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.davidedmundson.co.uk | 3 weeks till Plasma 5.4 Freeze | David Edmundson's Web Log | Jul 18 11:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (blog.davidedmundson.co.uk) | Jul 18 11:06 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "My main work at LaKademy 2015 was to finish | Jul 18 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | the port of Cantor to Qt5/KF5." | Jul 18 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/UWZsCrordV | Jul 18 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (blog.filipesaraiva.info) | Jul 18 11:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.filipesaraiva.info | LaKademy 2015 – my own Cantor sprint and other tasks at Filipe Saraiva's blog | Jul 18 11:07 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Kubuntu's Jonathan Riddell Says Ubuntu Policy | Jul 18 11:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Is Still Lacking http://t.co/JPaFMiNFNh | Jul 18 11:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Kubuntu's Jonathan Riddell Says Ubuntu Policy Is Still Lacking - Softpedia | Jul 18 11:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tokvbok (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 18 11:20 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Debian Project Lead: Snappy and Mir Bad Ideas | Jul 18 11:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/OWuhWXKaZg (ostatic.com) | Jul 18 11:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com | Debian Project Lead: Snappy and Mir Bad Ideas | Jul 18 11:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines PackageKit 1.0.7 Is a Major Release with | Jul 18 11:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Portage, Entropy, and Yum Improvements | Jul 18 11:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/bRheDObyCP (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 18 11:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | PackageKit 1.0.7 Is a Major Release with Portage, Entropy, and Yum Improvements - Softpedia | Jul 18 11:20 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Team Fortress 2 Update Arrives on Steam for | Jul 18 11:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux | Jul 18 11:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/FsIp2Uuni5 (linux.softpedia.com) | Jul 18 11:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Team Fortress 2 Update Arrives on Steam for Linux - Softpedia | Jul 18 11:28 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Creator Linus Torvalds Goes Zero G in | Jul 18 11:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Fighter Jet | Jul 18 11:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/utWluQeJ4B (www.youtube.com) | Jul 18 11:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Linux Creator Linus Torvalds Goes Zero G in Fighter Jet - YouTube | Jul 18 11:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/xHuqNRSsWV (uk.businessinsider.com) | Jul 18 11:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-uk.businessinsider.com | Linus Torvalds' zero-g plane ride, no puke - Business Insider | Jul 18 11:28 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines eeping skills fresh in tech pays off | Jul 18 11:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/aDlMAgLt8H (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 11:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | eeping skills fresh in tech pays off | Tux Machines | Jul 18 11:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Debian Project Lead: Snappy and Mir Bad Ideas | Jul 18 11:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/dprY3nmMav (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 11:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian Project Lead: Snappy and Mir Bad Ideas | Tux Machines | Jul 18 11:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: OSS http://t.co/KwcnIJpUjp | Jul 18 11:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 11:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: OSS | Tux Machines | Jul 18 11:35 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines PackageKit 1.0.7 Is a Major Release with | Jul 18 11:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Portage, Entropy, and Yum Improvements | Jul 18 11:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/AqTZkcnkhJ (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 11:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PackageKit 1.0.7 Is a Major Release with Portage, Entropy, and Yum Improvements | Tux Machines | Jul 18 11:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linus, LibreOffice, and Linux | Jul 18 11:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/WRJY49RHTg (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 11:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linus, LibreOffice, and Linux | Tux Machines | Jul 18 11:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Antergos – A Beginner-Friendly Arch-Based | Jul 18 11:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Distro https://t.co/ykeyfGf0cR | Jul 18 11:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.maketecheasier.com) | Jul 18 11:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Antergos - A Beginner Friendly Arch Based Distro | Jul 18 11:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n5kvf | Jul 18 11:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines SteamOS 2.0 Beta review - Commencing countdown | Jul 18 11:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/P1reSe6vrL (www.dedoimedo.com) | Jul 18 11:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dedoimedo.com | SteamOS 2.0 Beta review - Commencing countdown | Jul 18 11:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n5kvg | Jul 18 11:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Calibre 2.32 Arrives with New Features and Lots | Jul 18 11:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of Fixes http://t.co/vbT13Wvz8C | Jul 18 11:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Calibre 2.32 Arrives with New Features and Lots of Fixes - Softpedia | Jul 18 11:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 18 11:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n5kvh | Jul 18 11:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines IPFire 2.17 Core Update 92 Patches OpenSSL and | Jul 18 11:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Squid Security Vulnerabilities | Jul 18 11:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/KEnKXN4X4G (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 18 11:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | IPFire 2.17 Core Update 92 Patches OpenSSL and Squid Security Vulnerabilities - Softpedia | Jul 18 11:47 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n5kwv | Jul 18 11:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Intel Iris Pro 6200 Graphics Are A Dream Come | Jul 18 11:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | True For Open-Source Linux Fans | Jul 18 11:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/lZAgAjvDwr (www.phoronix.com) | Jul 18 11:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n5kwx | Jul 18 11:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Intel Iris Pro 6200 Graphics Are A Dream Come True For Open-Source Linux Fans - Phoronix | Jul 18 11:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines EXT3 File-System Driver To Be Removed From The | Jul 18 11:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Kernel http://t.co/PWvPNgJRPi | Jul 18 11:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Jul 18 11:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | EXT3 File-System Driver To Be Removed From The Linux Kernel - Phoronix | Jul 18 11:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n5kwz | Jul 18 11:48 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Magic Circle Puzzle FPS Gets Linux Support | Jul 18 11:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | on Steam | Jul 18 11:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/68Ey1pzTTQ (linux.softpedia.com) | Jul 18 11:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | The Magic Circle Puzzle FPS Gets Linux Support on Steam - Softpedia | Jul 18 11:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n5kyk | Jul 18 11:53 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/YlCN0uYJ5i | Jul 18 12:07 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz | Jul 18 12:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n5l1f | Jul 18 12:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jul 18 12:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open Document Format (ODF) 1.2 published as | Jul 18 12:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | International Standard 26300:2015 by ISO/IEC | Jul 18 12:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/VABFB8ak0H (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 12:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n5l2w | Jul 18 12:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Document Format (ODF) 1.2 published as International Standard 26300:2015 by ISO/IEC | Tux Machines | Jul 18 12:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Antergos – A Beginner-Friendly Arch-Based | Jul 18 12:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Distro http://t.co/UV5FS5cJ0L | Jul 18 12:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 12:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n5l2y | Jul 18 12:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Antergos – A Beginner-Friendly Arch-Based Distro | Tux Machines | Jul 18 12:07 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines IPFire 2.17 Core Update 92 Patches OpenSSL and | Jul 18 12:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Squid Security Vulnerabilities | Jul 18 12:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IPFire 2.17 Core Update 92 Patches OpenSSL and Squid Security Vulnerabilities | Tux Machines | Jul 18 12:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines EXT3 File-System Driver To Be Removed From The | Jul 18 12:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Kernel http://t.co/pqccK9sGY1 | Jul 18 12:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | EXT3 File-System Driver To Be Removed From The Linux Kernel | Tux Machines | Jul 18 12:55 | |
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| schestowitz | > Brain drain to be expected. | Jul 18 17:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 18 17:52 |
| schestowitz | > I guess you know that many many EPO staff members have requested and also granted their requests for (regular, or early) retirement. | Jul 18 17:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 18 17:52 |
| schestowitz | > Before you ask: | Jul 18 17:52 |
| schestowitz | > no, unfortunately I do not have any document showing evidence of that. | Jul 18 17:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 18 17:52 |
| schestowitz | > Rumor has it, that the management will also change the retirement rules and conditions very soon. | Jul 18 17:52 |
| schestowitz | > Everything is speculative, so better if you don't yet publish that. Just keep the info in mind. | Jul 18 17:52 |
| schestowitz | I wonder how long before parts of management step down and, if that happens, whether staff will be informed (not good 'damage control'). | Jul 18 17:52 |
| schestowitz | I am very cynical about retirement/pension schemes. I recently saw yet another good video (lecture) about deferred promises of payment. I don't count on my pension for anything and I don't think EPO staff has much to count on, either. Unless they have no critical skills, which I strongly doubt... | Jul 18 17:52 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6353440 | Jul 18 17:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: The world’s first ‘true Android PC’ costs just $20 http://bgr.com/2015/07/15/remix-mini-android-pc-kickstarter/ #android #linux | Jul 18 17:54 | |
| schestowitz | "android violates lot of FSF’s principles, it does not represent user rights, it cannot be said as free operating system" | Jul 18 17:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> bgr.com | Remix Mini Android PC Kickstarter | BGR [ http://ur1.ca/n57uz ] | Jul 18 17:54 | |
| schestowitz | "→ http://www.replicant.us" | Jul 18 17:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.replicant.us | Replicant | Jul 18 17:54 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.reddit.com/r/libreboot/comments/3dbpxg/governmentsconnected_hacking_team_targets_uefi/ | Jul 18 17:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Governments-Connected ‘Hacking Team’ Targets UEFI, Reveal Leaks : libreboot [ http://ur1.ca/n5nr1 ] | Jul 18 17:56 | |
| schestowitz | www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/3dbqd5/governmentsconnected_hacking_team_targets_uefi/ | Jul 18 17:56 |
| cubexyz | these PC World articles talking about saying a "2.5 Ghz" computer is good enough are bit off | Jul 18 18:05 |
| cubexyz | reducing energy consumption is still important | Jul 18 18:07 |
| cubexyz | and computers have changed so much: | Jul 18 18:18 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/20-years-basically-the-same.jpg | Jul 18 18:19 |
| schestowitz | well, with arm processors we can do well | Jul 18 18:32 |
| schestowitz | for instance, I can do IRC or some video playback on a tablet with very low wattage | Jul 18 18:32 |
| schestowitz | that included the screen | Jul 18 18:32 |
| schestowitz | whereas new machines still use external monitors and such stuff | Jul 18 18:33 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: I have begun running apps remotely | Jul 18 18:33 |
| schestowitz | over ssh | Jul 18 18:33 |
| schestowitz | on other machines | Jul 18 18:33 |
| *cubexyz nods | Jul 18 18:33 | |
| schestowitz | this helps spread the load a bit, and improves memory management | Jul 18 18:33 |
| schestowitz | a bit like VMs | Jul 18 18:34 |
| schestowitz | so... | Jul 18 18:34 |
| schestowitz | one machine can do mail | Jul 18 18:34 |
| schestowitz | another media | Jul 18 18:34 |
| schestowitz | another browsing | Jul 18 18:34 |
| schestowitz | connect with ssh or Synergy | Jul 18 18:34 |
| schestowitz | I use QuickSynergy to manage layout | Jul 18 18:34 |
| schestowitz | now I have 4 screens | Jul 18 18:34 |
| schestowitz | 2 are of my wife's laptop | Jul 18 18:34 |
| schestowitz | and I can enter them with the mouse using synergy | Jul 18 18:34 |
| cubexyz | plan 9 is good for distributed computing, but the application pool is much smaller | Jul 18 18:35 |
| cubexyz | and web browsing is... well it's way behind unfortunately | Jul 18 18:36 |
| schestowitz | BTW | Jul 18 18:36 |
| schestowitz | I want to thank you for the loggers, I use them every week | Jul 18 18:36 |
| schestowitz | complete logs since 2008 | Jul 18 18:37 |
| schestowitz | these logs are being accessed my spies, I have been told, at least those who are worried about bad publicity for the EPO | Jul 18 18:37 |
| cubexyz | it will be interesting to look back at them in 20+ years :) | Jul 18 18:37 |
| schestowitz | European Patent Office very corrupt | Jul 18 18:37 |
| schestowitz | relates to intl' trade deals, inc. the one with Canada | Jul 18 18:37 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: yeah, I always preserve URLs etc. | Jul 18 18:38 |
| schestowitz | since I started in 2003 or thereabouts, no 404s | Jul 18 18:38 |
| schestowitz | I can google my own sites to basically search back through stuff I worked on, code, words, articles... | Jul 18 18:38 |
| schestowitz | techrights has about 80,000 'pages' stored in Google | Jul 18 18:39 |
| schestowitz | last week was highest traffic in years | Jul 18 18:39 |
| schestowitz | because we were in reddit's front page | Jul 18 18:39 |
| schestowitz | the article about MS' patent extortion against Android | Jul 18 18:39 |
| cubexyz | a lot of my server traffic is folks downloading techrights logs | Jul 18 18:40 |
| schestowitz | I wish I still had the time to write more in IRC | Jul 18 18:40 |
| schestowitz | I still read it all, but can't always spend much time here like I used to | Jul 18 18:40 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: I use wget | Jul 18 18:40 |
| schestowitz | so maybe you can see when it's me, via BTcentral | Jul 18 18:41 |
| cubexyz | wget is an interesting attack vector as well | Jul 18 18:41 |
| cubexyz | I spent quite a lot of time studying it | Jul 18 18:41 |
| schestowitz | cp techrights.log techrights-previous.log | Jul 18 18:41 |
| schestowitz | rm techrights.log | Jul 18 18:41 |
| schestowitz | wget http://maxhost.org/other/techrights.log | Jul 18 18:41 |
| schestowitz | tail -n30000 .xchat2/xchatlogs/FreeNode-#boycottnovell.log > ~/LAPTOP-FreeNode-#boycottnovell.log | Jul 18 18:41 |
| schestowitz | tail -n100000 .xchat2/xchatlogs/FreeNode-#boycottnovell-social.log > ~/LAPTOP-FreeNode-#boycottnovell-social.log | Jul 18 18:41 |
| schestowitz | tail -n30000 .xchat2/xchatlogs/FreeNode-#techbytes.log > ~/LAPTOP-FreeNode-#techbytes.log | Jul 18 18:41 |
| schestowitz | tail -n30000 .xchat2/xchatlogs/FreeNode-#techrights.log > ~/LAPTOP-FreeNode-#techrights.log | Jul 18 18:41 |
| schestowitz | tail -n30000 ~/FreeNode-#boycottnovell.log > ~/LIBERTY-FreeNode-#boycottnovell.log | Jul 18 18:41 |
| schestowitz | tail -n100000 ~/FreeNode-#boycottnovell-social.log > ~/LIBERTY-FreeNode-#boycottnovell-social.log | Jul 18 18:41 |
| schestowitz | tail -n30000 ~/FreeNode-#techbytes.log > ~/LIBERTY-FreeNode-#techbytes.log | Jul 18 18:41 |
| schestowitz | tail -n30000 ~/FreeNode-#techrights.log > ~/LIBERTY-FreeNode-#techrights.log | Jul 18 18:41 |
| schestowitz | kate python ~/LIBERTY-FreeNode-#boycottnovell.log ~/LIBERTY-FreeNode-#boycottnovell-social.log ~/LIBERTY-FreeNode-#techbytes.log ~/LIBERTY-FreeNode-#techrights.log ~/LAPTOP-FreeNode-#boycottnovell.log ~/LAPTOP-FreeNode-#boycottnovell-social.log ~/LAPTOP-FreeNode-#techbytes.log ~/LAPTOP-FreeNode-#techrights.log ~/techrights.log irc-log-techrights irc-log irc-log-social irc-log-techbytes | Jul 18 18:41 |
| schestowitz | and to generate once editing it done: | Jul 18 18:42 |
| schestowitz | python ./Main/Programs/irclog2html.py irc-log-techrights --title='IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: July 12th, 2015-July 18th, 2015' ; python ./Main/Programs/irclog2html.py irc-log --title='IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: July 12th, 2015-July 18th, 2015' ; python ./Main/Programs/irclog2html.py irc-log-social --title='IRC: #boycottnovell-social @ FreeNode: July 12th, 2015-July 18th, 2015' ; python ./Main/Programs/irclog2html.py irc-log-techbytes | Jul 18 18:42 |
| schestowitz | --title='IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: July 12th, 2015-July 18th, 2015' ; cp irc-log.html irc-log-12072015.html ; cp irc-log-social.html irc-log-social-12072015.html ; cp irc-log-techrights.html irc-log-techrights-12072015.html; cp irc-log-techbytes.html irc-log-techbytes-12072015.html | Jul 18 18:42 |
| cubexyz | we need Watson to organize it all :) | Jul 18 18:42 |
| schestowitz | been doing that for years, maybe 6 or 7 years now, I've improved and automated a growing number of bits | Jul 18 18:42 |
| schestowitz | let me check how many megs in logs... | Jul 18 18:43 |
| cubexyz | I inadvertently logged coreboot since 2008 | Jul 18 18:43 |
| cubexyz | it's not even that big | Jul 18 18:44 |
| schestowitz | [root@techrights uploads]# find | grep irc- | wc | Jul 18 18:44 |
| schestowitz | 4994 4994 190681 | Jul 18 18:44 |
| schestowitz | 5000 files | Jul 18 18:44 |
| schestowitz | wonder how to filter to just show their total size, offhand... | Jul 18 18:44 |
| cubexyz | about 66 megs for 7 years worth | Jul 18 18:44 |
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| schestowitz | I can use cut and dc I think | Jul 18 18:45 |
| schestowitz | but there must be a simpler way | Jul 18 18:45 |
| schestowitz | with grep of input files to du | Jul 18 18:45 |
| schestowitz | [root@techrights uploads]# du -sh | Jul 18 18:46 |
| schestowitz | 3.7G . | Jul 18 18:46 |
| schestowitz | odd, should be bigger... | Jul 18 18:46 |
| MinceR | that's not what she said! | Jul 18 18:46 |
| cubexyz | don't forget wget can do compression | Jul 18 18:48 |
| schestowitz | [root@techrights uploads]# du --max-depth=1 | Jul 18 18:48 |
| schestowitz | 148156 ./2012 | Jul 18 18:48 |
| schestowitz | 72 ./2006 | Jul 18 18:48 |
| schestowitz | 264968 ./2011 | Jul 18 18:48 |
| cubexyz | wget --header='accept-encoding: gzip' | Jul 18 18:48 |
| schestowitz | 13092 ./2007 | Jul 18 18:48 |
| schestowitz | 198572 ./2008 | Jul 18 18:48 |
| schestowitz | 454204 ./2009 | Jul 18 18:48 |
| schestowitz | 646968 ./2010 | Jul 18 18:48 |
| schestowitz | 990904 ./2014 | Jul 18 18:48 |
| schestowitz | 494548 ./2013 | Jul 18 18:48 |
| schestowitz | 635276 ./2015 | Jul 18 18:48 |
| schestowitz | So I guess roughly half a meg a year for IRC | Jul 18 18:48 |
| schestowitz | no files uploaded in the first month of the site | Jul 18 18:49 |
| schestowitz | in december only 4 | Jul 18 18:49 |
| schestowitz | quite a throwback | Jul 18 18:49 |
| schestowitz | almost 10 hyears | Jul 18 18:49 |
| schestowitz | next year is the 10-year anniversary of MS-Novell deal | Jul 18 18:49 |
| schestowitz | there's no novell to commemorate it | Jul 18 18:50 |
| schestowitz | it was sort of dissolved 4 years after the deal | Jul 18 18:50 |
| schestowitz | 2010, I think February | Jul 18 18:50 |
| schestowitz | with a whimper/bang | Jul 18 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Phoronix also turned 10 | Jul 18 18:51 |
| schestowitz | I think around time tuxmachines did | Jul 18 18:51 |
| schestowitz | but tuxmachines didn't beg for money.. | Jul 18 18:51 |
| cubexyz | a lot of the hard-core Unix traditionalists hang out at TUHS | Jul 18 18:52 |
| cubexyz | but I think Unix is safe from Microsoft now | Jul 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | I reckon Michael makes money auctioning away the gifts and doing some work for companies that want on-demand benchmarking by him | Jul 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | but it's hard to know how it's financed, except some ads and subs | Jul 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | or amazon code referrals | Jul 18 18:52 |
| schestowitz | not that it matters, I like phoronix | Jul 18 18:52 |
| cubexyz | Microsoft really did harm Unix though for a while | Jul 18 18:53 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: unix has changed | Jul 18 18:53 |
| cubexyz | Xenix was a parody of Unix | Jul 18 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Apple took a role in it, now Microsoft too | Jul 18 18:53 |
| schestowitz | they're coopting unix | Jul 18 18:53 |
| schestowitz | they also try linux, but they can't tolerate copyleft | Jul 18 18:53 |
| schestowitz | they might just drop in some drivers into it to make proprietary s/w like hyper-v work | Jul 18 18:53 |
| schestowitz | OH | Jul 18 18:54 |
| schestowitz | OTR | Jul 18 18:54 |
| schestowitz | I just spoke to someone from Microsoft | Jul 18 18:54 |
| schestowitz | (don't ask) | Jul 18 18:54 |
| schestowitz | and he told me, | Jul 18 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Vista 10 crashes a lot | Jul 18 18:54 |
| cubexyz | hahaha | Jul 18 18:54 |
| schestowitz | vlue screens of death | Jul 18 18:54 |
| schestowitz | the company promises a more stable built | Jul 18 18:54 |
| schestowitz | he also thought it was free | Jul 18 18:54 |
| cubexyz | I'm getting major deja vu here :) | Jul 18 18:54 |
| schestowitz | he works there as a programmer | Jul 18 18:54 |
| schestowitz | And I told him, no, it's just 'free' upgrade | Jul 18 18:54 |
| schestowitz | he didn't even know, they mislead their own staff too | Jul 18 18:54 |
| cubexyz | well even if it was free would you really want it? | Jul 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | anyway, he said they were moved into smaller officer | Jul 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | *offices | Jul 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | they now share the office with many people | Jul 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | they also moved buildings | Jul 18 18:55 |
| cubexyz | I'm not sure I'd even want windows 10 even if I got source code with it | Jul 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | to a smaller one that they share with other companies | Jul 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | he was moved between teams | Jul 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | MS is collapsing | Jul 18 18:55 |
| cubexyz | yeah I predicting that | Jul 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | but like any company (inc. Novell) they'lll NEVER admit it | Jul 18 18:55 |
| schestowitz | assurance of financial stability is what customers think it's safe to go with | Jul 18 18:56 |
| cubexyz | BSD/Linux is the way to go | Jul 18 18:56 |
| schestowitz | But MS has no future certainty | Jul 18 18:56 |
| schestowitz | I can't quite publish that as a blog | Jul 18 18:56 |
| schestowitz | as I promised not to and I don't want to hurt the source | Jul 18 18:56 |
| cubexyz | Microsoft managed to gum things up since windows 3.0 so good riddance | Jul 18 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Vista 10 will save Microsoft | Jul 18 18:56 |
| schestowitz | said Microsoft | Jul 18 18:56 |
| schestowitz | as always | Jul 18 18:56 |
| schestowitz | as Vista | Jul 18 18:56 |
| schestowitz | oh | Jul 18 18:57 |
| schestowitz | And hardware support on vista 10 is crap | Jul 18 18:57 |
| schestowitz | causing BSOD | Jul 18 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Like Vista | Jul 18 18:57 |
| schestowitz | He told me they're still chasing the hardware support thing | Jul 18 18:57 |
| cubexyz | every version BSODed execept maybe windows 1 and 2.0 | Jul 18 18:57 |
| MinceR | m$ and crApple may yet kill general purpose computers (along with their cronies in governments) | Jul 18 18:57 |
| cubexyz | which simply crashed | Jul 18 18:57 |
| schestowitz | but since it's RTM soon/already I reckon it'll be another disaster like Vista 8 | Jul 18 18:57 |
| schestowitz | which Microsoft has also hyped before it was released | Jul 18 18:57 |
| MinceR | and redcrap and their cult may yet kill Linux and BSD | Jul 18 18:58 |
| schestowitz | even MS staff ha | Jul 18 18:58 |
| schestowitz | tes Vista 8 | Jul 18 18:58 |
| schestowitz | would rather use 7 | Jul 18 18:58 |
| schestowitz | it's really quite funny talking to people from the insider | Jul 18 18:58 |
| schestowitz | they're a bit nervous about the layoffs | Jul 18 18:58 |
| cubexyz | I dealt with Microsoft a bit in the past | Jul 18 18:58 |
| schestowitz | the one I spoke to tried Linux | Jul 18 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva, Fedora.. | Jul 18 18:59 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yeah, right... | Jul 18 18:59 |
| schestowitz | prepare for FUD attack in a few weeks | Jul 18 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Vista 10 is coming!! | Jul 18 18:59 |
| schestowitz | !google slashdot microsoft womens football | Jul 18 18:59 |
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| schestowitz | !google slashdot microsoft womens football | Jul 18 19:00 |
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| cubexyz | Microsoft was always crap compared to DEC and Sun | Jul 18 19:00 |
| schestowitz | [16:52] <TweetSchestowitz> @slashdot Microsoft Uses US Women's Soccer Team To | Jul 18 19:00 |
| schestowitz | [16:52] <TweetSchestowitz> Explain Why It Doesn't Hire More Women | Jul 18 19:00 |
| schestowitz | [16:52] <TweetSchestowitz> http://t.co/CRPhexAmRD | Jul 18 19:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developers.slashdot.org | Microsoft Uses US Women's Soccer Team To Explain Why It Doesn't Hire More Women - Slashdot | Jul 18 19:00 | |
| schestowitz | [16:52] <TweetSchestowitz> (developers.slashdot.org) | Jul 18 19:00 |
| schestowitz | [16:52] <TweetSchestowitz> ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n5n8f | Jul 18 19:00 |
| cubexyz | they had one big advantage: the IBM PC legacy and they ran on cheap hardware | Jul 18 19:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@slashdot: Microsoft Uses US Women's Soccer Team To Explain Why It Doesn't Hire More Women http://t.co/CRPhexAmRD | Jul 18 19:00 | |
| schestowitz | They don't hire men either | Jul 18 19:00 |
| schestowitz | They're firing people | Jul 18 19:00 |
| schestowitz | and shrinking the offices of existing staff | Jul 18 19:00 |
| cubexyz | yes, it is the beginning of the end for them | Jul 18 19:01 |
| schestowitz | depending on which division | Jul 18 19:01 |
| cubexyz | who knows how many people run Linux/BSD on old hardware, I bet it's a LOT | Jul 18 19:01 |
| schestowitz | I think we need to focus on changing patent regime, esp. with all those 'trade' agreements | Jul 18 19:01 |
| MinceR | and yet both DEC and Sun are dead | Jul 18 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft will do a fine job killing itself, as Novell did before it | Jul 18 19:01 |
| cubexyz | didn't Oracle pick up Sun? | Jul 18 19:01 |
| schestowitz | lots of articles now about why you SHOULD run Linux on "Azune" [sic] | Jul 18 19:02 |
| schestowitz | !google linux on azure | Jul 18 19:02 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Create a virtual machine running Linux in Azure - Microsoft Azure | http://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/documentation/articles/virtual-machines-linux-tutorial/ | Jul 18 19:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Linux on Azure—a Strange Place to Find a Penguin | Linux Journal | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linux-azure%25E2%2580%2594-strange-place-find-penguin | Jul 18 19:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Microsoft “loves Linux” as it makes Azure bigger, better | Ars Technica | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/10/microsoft-loves-linux-as-it-makes-azure-bigger-better/ | Jul 18 19:02 |
| schestowitz | I want a Linux of IDIOTIC companies that actually went this route | Jul 18 19:02 |
| schestowitz | maybe they already has an account there | Jul 18 19:02 |
| MinceR | the death of haiku >> https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/axeld/2015-07-17_introducing_launch_daemon | Jul 18 19:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.haiku-os.org | Introducing the launch_daemon | Haiku Project [ http://ur1.ca/n5ob8 ] | Jul 18 19:02 | |
| schestowitz | as some have with AWS | Jul 18 19:02 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, DEC was important in it's day, so was Bell Labs | Jul 18 19:02 |
| schestowitz | So they thought, wait a minute, we can also create a *NUX instance | Jul 18 19:02 |
| MinceR | it could still be important, had fascists not killed it | Jul 18 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Is Bell still around? | Jul 18 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Not the Canadian one | Jul 18 19:03 |
| cubexyz | sure | Jul 18 19:03 |
| schestowitz | There's Bellsouth | Jul 18 19:03 |
| cubexyz | Bell Labs still exists, but it's a lot smaller now | Jul 18 19:03 |
| schestowitz | which I assume is one of the bits it got broken down to | Jul 18 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Bellsouth blocks my emails | Jul 18 19:03 |
| schestowitz | for like 7 years now | Jul 18 19:03 |
| schestowitz | thinks my outgoing mail server is rogue, no other ISP does this | Jul 18 19:04 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: maybe like the next Nortell | Jul 18 19:04 |
| schestowitz | *tel | Jul 18 19:04 |
| schestowitz | What are they making, headsets? | Jul 18 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Or business ware? | Jul 18 19:04 |
| cubexyz | good question | Jul 18 19:05 |
| cubexyz | I still talk to the old guard | Jul 18 19:05 |
| schestowitz | UNIX and BSD seem to be going nowhere. Solaris is hardly getting any love from Oracle, either | Jul 18 19:05 |
| schestowitz | SCO dead... | Jul 18 19:05 |
| schestowitz | and many big developer names and companies go to Linux Foundation-centric consortia | Jul 18 19:05 |
| schestowitz | maybe there won't be much left of UNIX in 10 years | Jul 18 19:05 |
| cubexyz | OpenBSD is still going strong | Jul 18 19:05 |
| schestowitz | for routers and stuff | Jul 18 19:05 |
| schestowitz | but it's a niche | Jul 18 19:06 |
| schestowitz | and the bsd-based security distros I dealt with were crap | Jul 18 19:06 |
| cubexyz | some of the old Bell folks use FreeBSD, some use NetBSD | Jul 18 19:06 |
| schestowitz | one of them we had to spend a lot of effort replacing with Linux | Jul 18 19:06 |
| schestowitz | pfsense | Jul 18 19:06 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: but are any young people using it? | Jul 18 19:06 |
| schestowitz | It looks like UNIX veterans use it | Jul 18 19:07 |
| schestowitz | but I hardly see young people on UNIX, they hardly know what it means | Jul 18 19:07 |
| cubexyz | Theo is around my age | Jul 18 19:07 |
| cubexyz | yeah | Jul 18 19:07 |
| schestowitz | except that crap Apple coughs out and calls "BSD" | Jul 18 19:07 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: but Theo is not so young anymore | Jul 18 19:07 |
| schestowitz | maybe mid 40s? | Jul 18 19:07 |
| schestowitz | the university students don't do UNIX | Jul 18 19:07 |
| cubexyz | actually he's younger than me :) | Jul 18 19:08 |
| cubexyz | 1968 | Jul 18 19:08 |
| cubexyz | 47 | Jul 18 19:08 |
| schestowitz | RMS is neatly 63 I think | Jul 18 19:08 |
| schestowitz | wonder if he'll retire, ever... | Jul 18 19:08 |
| schestowitz | GNU is hardly spoken about | Jul 18 19:08 |
| schestowitz | he never made a true comeback | Jul 18 19:09 |
| schestowitz | and FSF lost momentum around 2007 | Jul 18 19:09 |
| schestowitz | RMS seems to get some more respect, but the Foundation erases his role in GNU/Linux with its Torvalds cult | Jul 18 19:09 |
| MinceR | he has practically retired | Jul 18 19:10 |
| cubexyz | there's a bit of a schism between the BSD and Linux camps | Jul 18 19:10 |
| MinceR | he doesn't care about the cancerd takeover | Jul 18 19:10 |
| cubexyz | I use both, I like traditional Unix but I also like Linux (mostly) | Jul 18 19:10 |
| cubexyz | I'm not too keen on systemd and a few other developments | Jul 18 19:11 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I'd take the same stance as him | Jul 18 19:12 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: never wrote a post in TR about systemd | Jul 18 19:13 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to be in this fight | Jul 18 19:13 |
| schestowitz | it would have me hates by a high % in the Linux world | Jul 18 19:13 |
| MinceR | those who don't want to be in this fight will merely lose it | Jul 18 19:13 |
| schestowitz | because there's a high volume of people who get dragged along | Jul 18 19:13 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yeah | Jul 18 19:13 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I think RMS just says, it's free software, so OK | Jul 18 19:13 |
| schestowitz | he pioneered the 4 freedom thing, he's not into preaching about modularity, design patterns etc. | Jul 18 19:14 |
| MinceR | the problem is, some of its principles are diametrically opposed to free software | Jul 18 19:14 |
| schestowitz | or even microkernels, he gave up on this fight | Jul 18 19:14 |
| schestowitz | systemd? | Jul 18 19:14 |
| schestowitz | How so? | Jul 18 19:14 |
| MinceR | systemd is deliberately designed to make it difficult for independent users/developers to change or replace | Jul 18 19:14 |
| schestowitz | they adhere to the 4 freedoms | Jul 18 19:14 |
| MinceR | no they don't | Jul 18 19:15 |
| schestowitz | same thing he said about mono and gnu dotnet | Jul 18 19:15 |
| MinceR | they make a lame charade of adhering to the 4 freedoms | Jul 18 19:15 |
| schestowitz | mono is another issue because of patents | Jul 18 19:15 |
| MinceR | while using microsoft-like tactics against competitors | Jul 18 19:15 |
| schestowitz | and Microsoft as the one with leverage, with bad history | Jul 18 19:15 |
| gde33 | cant you fork it and remove or limit those limitations? | Jul 18 19:15 |
| schestowitz | red hat isn't historically evil | Jul 18 19:15 |
| MinceR | redcrap has too much leverage | Jul 18 19:15 |
| MinceR | and they've shown their true colors | Jul 18 19:15 |
| schestowitz | "but hey, it's free software" -LP | Jul 18 19:15 |
| schestowitz | or something like that | Jul 18 19:15 |
| schestowitz | I think it's similar to what some mono boosters said | Jul 18 19:16 |
| gde33 | stallman sounds like controlled opposition with his free blah | Jul 18 19:16 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they aren't alone, hardware partners like intel have a lot of power too | Jul 18 19:16 |
| schestowitz | since OSDL days | Jul 18 19:16 |
| schestowitz | but Intel devs now work on systemd | Jul 18 19:16 |
| MinceR | "and its FREE!" -LP | Jul 18 19:16 |
| schestowitz | I think as #2 contributor | Jul 18 19:16 |
| MinceR | shows he doesn't care about freedom, only money (and power) | Jul 18 19:16 |
| schestowitz | phoronix recently surveyed participants by scanning the mailing list logs | Jul 18 19:17 |
| schestowitz | LP is not evil | Jul 18 19:17 |
| schestowitz | he just makes crap | Jul 18 19:17 |
| schestowitz | like PA | Jul 18 19:17 |
| MinceR | moronix loves everything that takes away our freedom | Jul 18 19:17 |
| schestowitz | I think it's sort of not total crap anymore | Jul 18 19:17 |
| MinceR | they love mono, systemd | Jul 18 19:17 |
| MinceR | they love attacking gnu/linux | Jul 18 19:17 |
| schestowitz | but it caused much damage back in the days | Jul 18 19:17 |
| MinceR | LP is evil and immature | Jul 18 19:17 |
| schestowitz | I used to have to reboot because of that crap of his | Jul 18 19:17 |
| MinceR | http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html | Jul 18 19:18 |
| schestowitz | and the PA people blamed Canonical packaging | Jul 18 19:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.freedesktop.org | [systemd-devel] [PATCH] Drop the udev firmware loader [ http://ur1.ca/ir0kd ] | Jul 18 19:18 | |
| schestowitz | I had the same issues with PA in Mandrive | Jul 18 19:18 |
| schestowitz | *rriva | Jul 18 19:18 |
| gde33 | until the whole pc is open source the disease will just spread | Jul 18 19:18 |
| gde33 | it should probably even be manufactured by a government | Jul 18 19:18 |
| MinceR | it shouldn't | Jul 18 19:18 |
| cubexyz | the funny thing is, some folks are still fixing PDP-11s and running ancient Unix | Jul 18 19:18 |
| MinceR | governments are very corruptible and are already corrupted | Jul 18 19:18 |
| gde33 | anything else will have the disease of comerce all over it | Jul 18 19:18 |
| schestowitz | systemd doesn't bother me at the moment as much as patents, proprietary software, etc. | Jul 18 19:19 |
| MinceR | antitrust laws aren't enforced against m$ or crApple in the USA or in the EU | Jul 18 19:19 |
| cubexyz | nothing really dies if it has a community to support it | Jul 18 19:19 |
| schestowitz | devuan will hopefully gain enough following | Jul 18 19:19 |
| schestowitz | like trinity desktop | Jul 18 19:19 |
| cubexyz | exactly | Jul 18 19:19 |
| gde33 | MinceR: that is a backwards looking vision, it is good to consider history but it cant be an excuse to stop the future | Jul 18 19:19 |
| MinceR | governments will do nothing if m$ and crApple lock users into their platforms using uefi | Jul 18 19:19 |
| schestowitz | they try... | Jul 18 19:19 |
| cubexyz | even IRC is a community of a sort | Jul 18 19:19 |
| MinceR | they might even make general purpose computers illegal under some excuse like turrism, child porn and malware | Jul 18 19:19 |
| gde33 | thats just it, they will try that | Jul 18 19:20 |
| schestowitz | maybe not for everyone | Jul 18 19:20 |
| MinceR | or piracy (DRM circumvention) | Jul 18 19:20 |
| gde33 | but it cant work | Jul 18 19:20 |
| MinceR | gde33: they won't do anything that's good for the people | Jul 18 19:20 |
| schestowitz | they just need to say you must follow rules for business, gov. etc. | Jul 18 19:20 |
| schestowitz | and for your home PC you might be exempted | Jul 18 19:20 |
| gde33 | you cant convince programmers to abandon the open source philosophy just like that | Jul 18 19:20 |
| gde33 | not after it happens | Jul 18 19:20 |
| schestowitz | germany sort of bans UEFI on gov. PCs, as I understand it.. | Jul 18 19:20 |
| MinceR | the fascists have put m$ in the place of the eternal monopoly and crApple into the token competition | Jul 18 19:21 |
| gde33 | I'm not kidding when I say that closed source should be illegal | Jul 18 19:21 |
| MinceR | they'll point to crApple and claim there's competition | Jul 18 19:21 |
| MinceR | and they won't let you run anything other than winblows and macos | Jul 18 19:21 |
| schestowitz | gde33: like other things | Jul 18 19:21 |
| gde33 | it should not be allowed to have black boxes that do something unexplained | Jul 18 19:21 |
| schestowitz | such as steroids in cycling | Jul 18 19:21 |
| cubexyz | you get a taste of open source you'll not want to go back to closed source | Jul 18 19:21 |
| schestowitz | why is armstrong not in prison? | Jul 18 19:21 |
| schestowitz | For embezzling millions by cheating? | Jul 18 19:21 |
| gde33 | sports is a nonsense topic | Jul 18 19:21 |
| schestowitz | I was thinking this in the morning.... I bet other people asked similar questions | Jul 18 19:21 |
| MinceR | don armstrong? good question | Jul 18 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Same reasons torturers aren't in prison | Jul 18 19:21 |
| MinceR | he's irrelevant though, debian is dead | Jul 18 19:22 |
| schestowitz | or petraeus | Jul 18 19:22 |
| cubexyz | stretch armstrong was good, at least he didn't cheat :) | Jul 18 19:22 |
| gde33 | this was a good talk http://disinfo.com/2015/07/everything-you-think-you-know-about-addiction-is-wrong/ | Jul 18 19:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-disinfo.com | Everything You Think You Know About Addiction Is Wrong - disinformation [ http://ur1.ca/n5oh8 ] | Jul 18 19:22 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: lars armstrong | Jul 18 19:22 |
| schestowitz | law decided on by the powerful | Jul 18 19:22 |
| schestowitz | proprietary serves those in power | Jul 18 19:22 |
| schestowitz | provided the maker is subservient to them of one of them (e.g. Gates) | Jul 18 19:22 |
| gde33 | MinceR: this was interesting too, essentially what you are refering to https://youtu.be/eA8w--EiH5k | Jul 18 19:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | The Myth Of Benevolent Central Authority - YouTube | Jul 18 19:23 | |
| schestowitz | so who would even initiate an action banning proprietary software? People with pitchforks? | Jul 18 19:23 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: ah, is that doll still around? | Jul 18 19:23 |
| gde33 | schestowitz: oh if it is not you? no one will | Jul 18 19:23 |
| schestowitz | last saw it 20 years ago, almost... | Jul 18 19:23 |
| gde33 | if you are going to errase yourself from the equation it cant happen | Jul 18 19:23 |
| cubexyz | haha, maybe on ebay if kids haven't destroyed them all | Jul 18 19:23 |
| schestowitz | what a dumb toy | Jul 18 19:24 |
| gde33 | I wonder who is going to clean my kitchen | Jul 18 19:24 |
| schestowitz | not as bad as Oreo barbie | Jul 18 19:24 |
| schestowitz | or that batman thing with buttplug hole and trigger in the penis | Jul 18 19:24 |
| cubexyz | in 1976 it was big! :) | Jul 18 19:24 |
| schestowitz | or that lion king doll where the monkey rears simba | Jul 18 19:24 |
| MinceR | and when the lendows fanboys realize their beloved platform is too insecure and unreliable, just like their beloved windows was | Jul 18 19:24 |
| MinceR | and move to a remaining free unix | Jul 18 19:25 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: 1976? | Jul 18 19:25 |
| MinceR | i'll say "i told you so" | Jul 18 19:25 |
| schestowitz | I saw one in 1996 or thereabouts | Jul 18 19:25 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, yes, I remember lots of kids liked it. | Jul 18 19:25 |
| schestowitz | maybe a different thing, different brand | Jul 18 19:25 |
| MinceR | (provided we'll have a choice about the matter, that is) | Jul 18 19:25 |
| schestowitz | anyway, was angry at Lance Armstrong | Jul 18 19:25 |
| schestowitz | puts sports to shame | Jul 18 19:25 |
| cubexyz | one of my dumb friends stretched it too much and pulled his arm off | Jul 18 19:25 |
| schestowitz | and harms honest people | Jul 18 19:25 |
| schestowitz | in much of the same way proprietary software vendors often do when it comes to procurement | Jul 18 19:26 |
| schestowitz | bribes, threats, etc. | Jul 18 19:26 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: what was in it? Sand> | Jul 18 19:26 |
| schestowitz | systemd is not a huge issue IMHO | Jul 18 19:26 |
| schestowitz | an internal rift | Jul 18 19:26 |
| schestowitz | but verges on civil war | Jul 18 19:26 |
| MinceR | i'm more angry at don armstrong | Jul 18 19:27 |
| MinceR | he's a fascist asshole | Jul 18 19:27 |
| schestowitz | so maybe better lessened in public | Jul 18 19:27 |
| schestowitz | who's he? | Jul 18 19:27 |
| schestowitz | !google don armstrong | Jul 18 19:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Don Armstrong Media | http://donarmstrongmedia.com/ | Jul 18 19:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Don H. Armstrong - Ballotpedia | http://ballotpedia.org/Don_H._Armstrong | Jul 18 19:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Don W. Armstrong CPA - Offers Professional Solutions for Tax ... | http://www.donarmstrongcpa.com/ | Jul 18 19:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Don Armstrong | http://www.donarmstrong.com/ | Jul 18 19:27 |
| schestowitz | common name, I guess. Neil Armstrong probably most famous among the Armstrongs | Jul 18 19:28 |
| schestowitz | for anti-Soviet propaganda | Jul 18 19:28 |
| MinceR | main censor of the debian mailing lists | Jul 18 19:28 |
| MinceR | bans dissenters | Jul 18 19:28 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, evidently Stretch Armstrong was filled with gelled corn syrup | Jul 18 19:29 |
| cubexyz | they stopped making them in 1980 | Jul 18 19:30 |
| cubexyz | pretty clever actually | Jul 18 19:32 |
| cubexyz | boiled corn syrup with some moisture removed forms a gel with memory properties | Jul 18 19:32 |
| schestowitz | reuse of waste | Jul 18 19:40 |
| schestowitz | wasted on children | Jul 18 19:41 |
| cubexyz | well not to be too zen about it... materialism doesn't lead to happiness | Jul 18 19:56 |
| cubexyz | I can't wait until Iphone 7 comes out... hahahaha | Jul 18 19:56 |
| cubexyz | sign up now and you can get 10 cassettes for 1 cent | Jul 18 19:58 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6354393 | Jul 18 19:59 |
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| schestowitz | "At least it’s GNU/Linux, maybe it isn’t 100% free as in freedom but, it’s a good beginning." | Jul 18 19:59 |
| schestowitz | "Hope they use gnewsense or something, but there aren’t many people contributing to true free OS | Jul 18 19:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 18 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Many components of a free OS are maintained by many | Jul 18 20:00 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6358956 | Jul 18 20:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #uk is not a safe place, neither for journalists nor for sources. We're rapidly becoming no better than #singapore or even #china | Jul 18 20:02 | |
| schestowitz | "At least the UK is wealthier than China." | Jul 18 20:02 |
| schestowitz | smaller population | Jul 18 20:02 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Debian Project Lead: Snappy and Mir Bad Ideas | Jul 18 20:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com | Debian Project Lead: Snappy and Mir Bad Ideas | Jul 18 20:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n5p2s | Jul 18 20:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-5 to Land on BQ Aquaris | Jul 18 20:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Devices First, Meizu MX4 Users Must Wait | Jul 18 20:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/GaQpOQ70Ye (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 20:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n5p2w | Jul 18 20:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch OTA-5 to Land on BQ Aquaris Devices First, Meizu MX4 Users Must Wait | Tux Machines | Jul 18 20:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: KDE/Qt http://t.co/KprzZsAxI6 | Jul 18 20:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 20:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n5p2y | Jul 18 20:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: KDE/Qt | Tux Machines | Jul 18 20:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/T8KBqdzMWL | Jul 18 20:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 20:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Jul 18 20:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n5p2z | Jul 18 20:29 |
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| __martin__ | corrupt gov't IT in slovakia // next round | Jul 18 20:37 |
| __martin__ | http://dsl.sk/article.php?article=17244 | Jul 18 20:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dsl.sk | DSL.sk - tt dva za licencie Microsoftu alch 55.8 milinov eur | Jul 18 20:37 | |
| __martin__ | http://www.soit.sk/sk/clanok/248-spolocna-vyzva-sisp-a-soit-v-suvislosti-s-podpisom-zmluvy-o-dodavke-softveru-v-ramci-zmluvy-microsoft-enterprise-agreement | Jul 18 20:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.soit.sk | Spoločná výzva SISp a SOIT v súvislosti s podpisom zmluvy o dodávke softvéru v rámci zmluvy Microsoft Enterprise Agreement - Spoločnosť pre otvorené informačné technológie - SOIT [ http://ur1.ca/n5p5i ] | Jul 18 20:37 | |
| __martin__ | thinking of leaving europe behind and moving to asia | Jul 18 20:38 |
| __martin__ | (will take 2 to 3 years to take off) | Jul 18 20:38 |
| __martin__ | [footnote by myself: the biggest gov't owned company being here the national forests company.. they have such an idiocratic vendor lock-in or erp/crm etc. that i was lethally disgusted @ while having a sneak peek into their intranet components by an employee] | Jul 18 20:41 |
| __martin__ | on* | Jul 18 20:41 |
| MinceR | http://img.linuxfr.org/img/68747470733a2f2f6861636b2d6c696272652e6f72672f66696c65732f6c697672655f7072c3a966c3a972c3a95f6c656e6e6172742d35303070782e6a7067/livre_pr%C3%A9f%C3%A9r%C3%A9_lennart-500px.jpg | Jul 18 20:41 |
| __martin__ | yay mince | Jul 18 20:41 |
| MinceR | http://fullchan4jtta4sx.onion.city/tech/src/1436763000218.jpg | Jul 18 20:41 |
| __martin__ | lennartd liblennatd | Jul 18 20:41 |
| __martin__ | :_D | Jul 18 20:41 |
| __martin__ | r*/0* | Jul 18 20:42 |
| MinceR | systemd-lennartd | Jul 18 20:42 |
| __martin__ | MinceR: right now crunching through [DNG] "Bad" future is coming && Linus answers a question about systemd threads | Jul 18 20:43 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 18 20:44 |
| MinceR | http://troubleshooters.com/linux/diy/images/hidty.png | Jul 18 20:45 |
| cubexyz | lol | Jul 18 20:47 |
| MinceR | __martin__: where is that thread? dyne's search engine can't find it | Jul 18 20:53 |
| __martin__ | {also a nice flame regards vi$ta10 eula in my country http://www.zive.sk/diskusia/320513/windows-10-povinne-aktualizacie-chrani-licencia | note that the actual portal serves m$ PR in same manners as fartstechnica UK} | Jul 18 20:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zive.sk | Živé.sk | Najnovšie správy o počítačoch, IT a internete [ http://ur1.ca/n5pa8 ] | Jul 18 20:53 | |
| MinceR | what changed in the eula? | Jul 18 20:54 |
| __martin__ | same 'ol shit | Jul 18 20:54 |
| __martin__ | MinceR: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20150701.182146.2604336c.en.html | Jul 18 20:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.dyne.org | [DNG] Linus answers a question about systemd [ http://ur1.ca/n5pao ] | Jul 18 20:55 | |
| __martin__ | as for the "bad" future coming.. you are right, search shows up nothing | Jul 18 20:55 |
| MinceR | thx | Jul 18 20:55 |
| __martin__ | here you go | Jul 18 20:59 |
| __martin__ | https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20150703.113507.8be9f65c.en.html | Jul 18 20:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.dyne.org | [DNG] "Bad" future is coming [ http://ur1.ca/n5pca ] | Jul 18 20:59 | |
| MinceR | thx | Jul 18 21:00 |
| cubexyz | just thinking it would be nice to be able to hit delete on the mouse | Jul 18 21:04 |
| MinceR | http://www.micwil.com/images/gallery/ortek_mobile_2_in_1_mouse_keypad_p2_1000x1000.jpg | Jul 18 21:08 |
| MinceR | like this? :> | Jul 18 21:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Jul 18 21:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Linux 4.2 Mainline Kernel From Ubuntu Is | Jul 18 21:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Finally Working Again http://t.co/NqQ0b1vyjR | Jul 18 21:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 21:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n5pfe | Jul 18 21:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Linux 4.2 Mainline Kernel From Ubuntu Is Finally Working Again | Tux Machines | Jul 18 21:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open-Source Linux Graphics: A10-7870K Godavari | Jul 18 21:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | vs. i7-4790K Haswell vs. i7-5775C Broadwell | Jul 18 21:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/7biTEBc5cs (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 21:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n5pff | Jul 18 21:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open-Source Linux Graphics: A10-7870K Godavari vs. i7-4790K Haswell vs. i7-5775C Broadwell | Tux Machines | Jul 18 21:10 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 11 Service Pack 4 | Jul 18 21:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Adds Support for IBM POWER8 | Jul 18 21:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/cYyO51UfnI (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 21:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n5pjw | Jul 18 21:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 11 Service Pack 4 Adds Support for IBM POWER8 | Tux Machines | Jul 18 21:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-6 to Bring Telegram App | Jul 18 21:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Improvements, New Thumbnailer | Jul 18 21:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/vrKHeWAl3F (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 21:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n5pjx | Jul 18 21:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch OTA-6 to Bring Telegram App Improvements, New Thumbnailer | Tux Machines | Jul 18 21:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Leftovers http://t.co/dzPIMkE0ur | Jul 18 21:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 21:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 18 21:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n5pjy | Jul 18 21:27 |
| cubexyz | I thought win7 was kind of crashy too | Jul 18 21:55 |
| cubexyz | it's just the same old stuff | Jul 18 21:55 |
| MinceR | it's the same old stuff with a different skin, an even more horribly set up UAC and it also breaks sshd | Jul 18 21:56 |
| cubexyz | so DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_THAN_OR_EQUAL_TO etc | Jul 18 21:56 |
| cubexyz | I've never seen the vesa driver in openbsd crash | Jul 18 21:57 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 18 21:57 |
| cubexyz | but windows, it's just "oh well it crashed again" | Jul 18 21:57 |
| cubexyz | then you do all the stuff Microsoft tells you, and it doesn't fix the problem | Jul 18 21:58 |
| cubexyz | "exchange your video card" | Jul 18 21:58 |
| cubexyz | "update your BIOS" | Jul 18 21:58 |
| MinceR | reboot, reboot and then reboot some more | Jul 18 22:00 |
| MinceR | reinstall | Jul 18 22:00 |
| MinceR | (it's also redcrap's answer to everything) | Jul 18 22:00 |
| cubexyz | redhat used to be good | Jul 18 22:02 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-5 to Land on BQ Aquaris | Jul 18 23:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Devices First, Meizu MX4 Users Must Wait | Jul 18 23:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tokvbok http://t.co/GaQpOQ70Ye (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 23:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n5qcg | Jul 18 23:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch OTA-5 to Land on BQ Aquaris Devices First, Meizu MX4 Users Must Wait | Tux Machines | Jul 18 23:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Linux 4.2 Mainline Kernel From Ubuntu Is | Jul 18 23:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Finally Working Again http://t.co/NqQ0b1vyjR | Jul 18 23:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tokvbok (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 23:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Linux 4.2 Mainline Kernel From Ubuntu Is Finally Working Again | Tux Machines | Jul 18 23:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n5qcj | Jul 18 23:08 |
| cubexyz | ok, starting to grok pic files | Jul 18 23:10 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 18 23:10 |
| cubexyz | old pic I'm still not sure about | Jul 18 23:11 |
| cubexyz | ok | Jul 18 23:13 |
| cubexyz | basically old pic is slightly different from GNU pic | Jul 18 23:13 |
| cubexyz | but I believe I understand the differences well enough to covert old pic to GNU pic | Jul 18 23:13 |
| cubexyz | relative co-ordinate system | Jul 18 23:16 |
| cubexyz | oh well here's my first masterpiece: | Jul 18 23:23 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/simple-pic-to-jpeg.jpg | Jul 18 23:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How to squeeze more battery life from your | Jul 18 23:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux laptop http://t.co/zSHS3nDyiN | Jul 18 23:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 23:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n5qq1 | Jul 18 23:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to squeeze more battery life from your Linux laptop | Tux Machines | Jul 18 23:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CloudRouter 2.0 Hits Beta with OpenDaylight | Jul 18 23:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Lithium and Fedora 22 http://t.co/TzfDpa1Ljl | Jul 18 23:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 23:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CloudRouter 2.0 Hits Beta with OpenDaylight Lithium and Fedora 22 | Tux Machines | Jul 18 23:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n5qq3 | Jul 18 23:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Not Just For Desktops: 10 Devices You Can | Jul 18 23:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Install Linux On http://t.co/fTTQrV6jee | Jul 18 23:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 23:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Not Just For Desktops: 10 Devices You Can Install Linux On | Tux Machines | Jul 18 23:48 | |
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| BACKUP | ||
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/619999150373928960?cn=ZmF2b3JpdGVfbWVudGlvbmVkX3VzZXI%3D&refsrc=email | Jul 12 01:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz And even SaaS which you run is cut of the same cloth. Ultimately it is about who is in control. | Jul 12 01:34 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/619998811042086912 | Jul 12 01:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz True of SaaS controlled by others, but IaaS and PaaS are just means for you to buy elastic computing capacity. | Jul 12 01:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620059830527655936?cn=ZmF2b3JpdGVfbWVudGlvbmVkX3VzZXI%3D&refsrc=email | Jul 12 01:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz I think I got it! "influential in THE PAST" (ignoring the non-coder kleptocrat jerk). All the languages mentioned are obsolete. | Jul 12 01:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Kodi 15.0 Isengard – RC 2 | Jul 12 01:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/xQqpiJL0EA (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 12 01:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3kw8 | Jul 12 01:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kodi 15.0 Isengard – RC 2 | Tux Machines | Jul 12 01:38 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620059830527655936?cn=ZmF2b3JpdGVfbWVudGlvbmVkX3VzZXI%3D&refsrc=email | Jul 12 01:39 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/619999497767120896?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=0afd2619b9f5fb4a7591c0a0f7bde8ea75a8c977&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=26eb3e419dde42548dc3a7979215545d&autoactions=1436654374&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267 | Jul 12 01:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz You don't need physical possession of a computer to control it anymore. So Cloud is not 'bad' per-se | Jul 12 01:40 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/619999932926177280?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=85c22dcd13908e7c700870c352ba073c2870a6e2&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=4e1b0af7dcc4411085232421b29655ca&autoactions=1436654478&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267 | Jul 12 01:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz Using services which other people control or which are proprietary is obviously silly, because you have ceded your rights. | Jul 12 01:40 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/620000244747534336?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=d0dfde2434da24627213c3f074ec3d593c5afa31&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=f07a9de5505c43acbcee5b6c5d343820&autoactions=1436654552&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267 | Jul 12 01:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz There is 'good cloud'. OpenStack, for example. And SpiderOak. And probably more. | Jul 12 01:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/620000549799243777?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=7546152e54cabea7cdd39c40f63993ea548f493b&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=52c37686339245c991665e273d548960&autoactions=1436654625&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267 | Jul 12 01:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz Best yet are pending decentralized services based on blockchain or other consensus mechanisms. Ethereum. MaidSafe, etc. | Jul 12 01:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/620000627272253441 | Jul 12 01:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz And Tor will likely be part of the answer. | Jul 12 01:43 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How To Install VirtualBox 5.0 In Ubuntu/Linux | Jul 12 08:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mint Or Other Derivatives | Jul 12 08:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/t9xwf1inES (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 12 08:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How To Install VirtualBox 5.0 In Ubuntu/Linux Mint Or Other Derivatives | Tux Machines | Jul 12 08:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu To Ship On Lenovo Thinkpad L450 In India | Jul 12 08:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | - Welcome Ubuntu http://t.co/GqlNwX1A7b | Jul 12 08:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 12 08:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu To Ship On Lenovo Thinkpad L450 In India - Welcome Ubuntu | Tux Machines | Jul 12 08:02 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FitbitSupport/status/620106759093424128 https://twitter.com/FitbitSupport/status/620106802819039232 | Jul 12 08:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FitbitSupport: @schestowitz 1/2 We're sorry to hear about this! All Fitbit trackers are water-resistant. Please check this link: http://t.co/ln3i8gQnqf. | Jul 12 08:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> help.fitbit.com | Fitbit Help - Can I swim or shower with my tracker? | Jul 12 08:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FitbitSupport: @schestowitz 2/2 Please advise your friend to email us at http://t.co/n568EV68G3 and we'll be taking it from there. | Jul 12 08:18 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> help.fitbit.com | Contact Support | Jul 12 08:18 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/620208951125262336 | Jul 12 08:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: MT @schestowitz Law Firm Report Backs Allegation That American Psychological Association Was Complicit in #Torture http://t.co/gIpsEqtCcx | Jul 12 08:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.slate.com | American Psychological Association, CIA torture: Report says APA coordinated to allow enhanced interrogation. | Jul 12 08:36 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/620209003646316544 | Jul 12 08:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: RT @schestowitz Psychologists' collusion with US torture limited our ability to decry it anywhere http://t.co/MdXNwKujMg #torture | Jul 12 08:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com | Psychologists' collusion with US torture limited our ability to decry it anywhere | Dr Steven Miles | Comment is free | The Guardian | Jul 12 08:36 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/T_Miller_Harper/status/620208991851913216 | Jul 12 08:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@T_Miller_Harper: @schestowitz I do hope these are not the same buggers that IDS will use to "Test" and "adjust thinking" for those on welfare. | Jul 12 08:37 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/620209395784359936 | Jul 12 08:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: RT @schestowitz FP justifies mass #surveillance using odd logic of the all-knowing theory http://t.co/CDrZ5QfEWA | Jul 12 08:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> foreignpolicy.com | CIA study of ‘Commanders and Surprise’ says that if you want to avoid being surprised, manage your intel people | Foreign Policy | Jul 12 08:37 | |
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| schestowitz | [14:02] <r_schestowitz> https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/620216278821769216 | Jul 12 09:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz They are great, my dad lent us his and we haven't given back yet. What you diying? | Jul 12 09:04 | |
| schestowitz | [14:02] <r_schestowitz> a bookshelf | Jul 12 09:04 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620249838651875328 | Jul 12 11:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz It's been rejected on the grounds that he gets too close to the truth and nobody can be allowed to question official versions | Jul 12 11:18 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620250375736659968 | Jul 12 11:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz I reject the official account because it's fiction. OTOH Hersh practices journalism, which is verboten under current regime. | Jul 12 11:19 | |
| schestowitz | historically, for many decades, he has proven to be often correct | Jul 12 11:19 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620254265819426816 | Jul 12 11:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz Sadly, the rednecks react with a war on sharks. https://t.co/E9BEVypmD4 @#&^@&@&%@ humans | Jul 12 11:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.thedodo.com | Experts Call Australia’s Shark Cull “Revenge Killings” | Jul 12 11:33 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620254444341600256 https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620254644267274240 https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620254772650737664 | Jul 12 11:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz That's the funny thing about actual research. OTOH "Historically, official versions have been proven to be completely made up" | Jul 12 11:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: But of course, of course he is. Why would anyone doubt it? https://t.co/BMHPmKdO8o | Jul 12 11:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #jebbush reminds us that he is a Hawk, like Clinton http://t.co/2bXevKackS | Jul 12 11:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: Headlines I'd like to read: "Infuriated by any possibility of a plea bargain for war criminal George W Bush". @schestowitz | Jul 12 11:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/d81Vsdq3YV | Jul 12 11:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 12 11:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jul 12 11:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz | Jul 12 11:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3pse | Jul 12 11:41 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6311356 | Jul 12 12:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Papyros Linux Distro Uses a New Material Design Shell http://news.softpedia.com/news/papyros-linux-distro-uses-a-new-material-design-shell-486460.shtml | Jul 12 12:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Papyros Linux Distro Uses a New Material Design Shell - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/n3q2s ] | Jul 12 12:02 | |
| schestowitz | ""Am I the only one who thinks that Material design actually looks like a hideous, day-glo throwback to the early 80’s… with shadows? I really don’t see why so many seem to be in love with it. The cards and dropshadows are nice, but their philosophy on color… Eurgh." | Jul 12 12:02 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the target market is not computer pros | Jul 12 12:02 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6316807 | Jul 12 12:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Core Linux tools top list of most at-risk software http://www.infoworld.com/article/2946566/security/core-linux-tools-top-the-list-of-most-at-risk-software.html | Jul 12 12:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.infoworld.com | Core Linux tools top list of most at-risk software | InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/n3q36 ] | Jul 12 12:03 | |
| schestowitz | "This reads like FUD to me. | Jul 12 12:03 |
| schestowitz | Well, IDG | Jul 12 12:03 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6310165 | Jul 12 12:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Been experimenting with the latest #unity desktop from #canonical over the past day. Must admit I like some parts of it. Not bad at all. | Jul 12 12:06 | |
| schestowitz | "DO you still have time to make a cup of tea before it comes up, after pressing the meta key? That’s the main thing that drives me crazy (after disabling the “send my every query to Amazon” mode)" | Jul 12 12:06 |
| schestowitz | "for me it’s still very unconfigurable, and it’s a pain trying to run conky there…" | Jul 12 12:06 |
| schestowitz | "that’s my main DE" | Jul 12 12:06 |
| schestowitz | My wife tries it, but wants to go back to KDE Plasma... | Jul 12 12:06 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6310202 | Jul 12 12:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Adobe? "Extra critical." To delete. It's critical people delete this malicious blob. #VP8 / #webm made it redundant. http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/july-15-security-fixes-for-adobes-flash-web-plugins-extra-critical/ | Jul 12 12:07 | |
| schestowitz | "Yeah, I don’t even have Gnash installed anymore. Anything that’s not in an open format isn’t worth watching." | Jul 12 12:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> alien.slackbook.org | Alien Pastures » July ’15 Security fixes for Adobe’s Flash web plugins (extra critical) [ http://ur1.ca/n3q4c ] | Jul 12 12:07 | |
| schestowitz | "Agreed @keith Bowes" | Jul 12 12:07 |
| schestowitz | IT's often ads and resource hogs | Jul 12 12:07 |
| MinceR | i prefer holo to material | Jul 12 12:08 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6311094 | Jul 12 12:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: A city that "never sleep" (and serves the stock market) is more likely to overcharge citizens and overwork them (for same salary). #london | Jul 12 12:09 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 12 12:09 |
| schestowitz | It used to be, if there was a shortage of black cabs, e.g. arriving with the last train, the drivers would ask the passengers where they were going and the cabbies would bundle those passengers into the cab who were going to roughly the same part of town.- same in Germany. | Jul 12 12:09 |
| schestowitz | But that was the cabbies acting on their own initiative, not through a central office :) | Jul 12 12:09 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like Uber is a bureaucracy… | Jul 12 12:09 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 12 12:09 |
| schestowitz | It's a lot worse than that | Jul 12 12:09 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: what's holo? | Jul 12 12:09 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: the MS thing? | Jul 12 12:09 |
| schestowitz | hololens? | Jul 12 12:09 |
| MinceR | no, the previous android gui style | Jul 12 12:09 |
| MinceR | before material | Jul 12 12:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620266639767011329 | Jul 12 12:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: That applies to pretty much everything Abbott (& your Tory fascists) are doing. @schestowitz | Jul 12 12:27 | |
| schestowitz | Politics worldwide moves to the right these days, much blame on poor ("lazy") people, immigrants, etc. | Jul 12 12:27 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: like Orban too, I think | Jul 12 12:27 |
| MinceR | yes, as much as the left/right distinction is even relevant | Jul 12 12:27 |
| MinceR | (afaik it originally was about who supports and who opposes the status quo, but the status quo has changed much and is different in different countries) | Jul 12 12:28 |
| MinceR | orban (like putler) learned how to run a dictatorship from fascists who called themselves socialist and/or communist | Jul 12 12:28 |
| MinceR | and then covered it in nationalist/christian fundamentalist flavor | Jul 12 12:29 |
| MinceR | turning "socialism" into "national socialism" | Jul 12 12:29 |
| schestowitz | I saw Orban last night in an article | Jul 12 12:30 |
| schestowitz | it was about censorship | Jul 12 12:30 |
| schestowitz | "media regulation" or whatever he paints it as | Jul 12 12:30 |
| schestowitz | here we have Tories | Jul 12 12:30 |
| schestowitz | so we're down the same rabbithole | Jul 12 12:30 |
| MinceR | the whole planet is going to shit | Jul 12 12:31 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620269430031937536 | Jul 12 12:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz been happening4 a long time—easy to prove—just recall '01,when a coordinated event let them shift gears. Even that seems recent | Jul 12 12:36 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yesterday a friend told me | Jul 12 12:36 |
| schestowitz | (not a good friend) | Jul 12 12:36 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 12 12:36 |
| schestowitz | she doesn't care what happens to the planet | Jul 12 12:36 |
| MinceR | evil friend? | Jul 12 12:36 |
| schestowitz | yes | Jul 12 12:36 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 12 12:36 |
| schestowitz | from Iran, too :-p | Jul 12 12:36 |
| schestowitz | but then I said, maybe you think you'll have a short life | Jul 12 12:37 |
| schestowitz | some people can't be bothered about anything than current day/next week | Jul 12 12:37 |
| schestowitz | it's gross | Jul 12 12:37 |
| schestowitz | but I think that's how many people feel | Jul 12 12:37 |
| schestowitz | the Ayn Rand mentality | Jul 12 12:37 |
| schestowitz | objectivism she called it | Jul 12 12:37 |
| schestowitz | absolutism | Jul 12 12:37 |
| schestowitz | some kind of perverse nihilistic atheism | Jul 12 12:38 |
| MinceR | objectivism avoids the hard questions | Jul 12 12:39 |
| MinceR | it's not as "objective" as they like to believe :> | Jul 12 12:39 |
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| schestowitz | http://tuxmachines.org/messages/view/229#new | Jul 12 12:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://tuxmachines.org/messages/view/229#new ) | Jul 12 12:47 | |
| schestowitz | "Hi. I think you have a registration spam problem. There are always around 4 online users with usernames that are obviously random." | Jul 12 12:47 |
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| schestowitz | yes, it is a big problem and one I have fought against for 1.5 years. At least they don't manage to post anymore. | Jul 12 12:47 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/JBConseilsEnR/status/620278403544031232 | Jul 12 13:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JBConseilsEnR: #sotrue too many #journalists :1-have to write what they do not believe in 2-write "safe" papers 3-have latent brain https://t.co/2uiTVfxwy7 | Jul 12 13:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The world's most important articles tend to come from insiders blowing whistle, not "officials" or journos who start from "empty page" | Jul 12 13:10 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/webmink/status/620278994735226880 | Jul 12 13:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@webmink: @schestowitz It's a big company - 160k people - and this is a deeply ingrained behaviour that will take a lot of shaking. | Jul 12 13:11 | |
| schestowitz | Someone can hopefully tell those other parts that they serve to cause distrust, at least in other areas. *wink wink*. | Jul 12 13:11 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/webmink/status/620279173366439936 | Jul 12 13:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@webmink: @WiproOS One for you to respond to. https://t.co/WSUqFYuRqR | Jul 12 13:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: With #patents hype on the agenda, I am starting to doubt #wipro will warm to FOSS http://t.co/XO4Hp9Tok1 http://t.co/L9X2E5sOPn @webmink | Jul 12 13:12 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/webmink/status/620282383741227009 | Jul 12 13:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jul 12 13:24 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@webmink: @schestowitz I've been saying this since the first interview: "Reputation in open source is holistic and one good deed is not enough." :-) | Jul 12 13:24 | |
| schestowitz | I think it was Infosys CEO who recently blasted patents (inc. software) in the media. #wipro can pay attention to his remarks. | Jul 12 13:25 |
| schestowitz | All the links I could find to that (in English) were pocketed in http://techrights.org/2015/01/17/abolition-of-software-patents/ scroll down for citations | Jul 12 13:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Large Corporations, Including Microsoft Allies, Call for Abolition of Software Patents | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/jgh3e ] | Jul 12 13:27 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LaKademy 2015 http://t.co/IIA2Kil4Ka | Jul 12 13:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 12 13:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LaKademy 2015 | Tux Machines | Jul 12 13:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3qxu | Jul 12 13:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Phoronix on Graphics http://t.co/gcIDM0kUcc | Jul 12 13:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 12 13:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Phoronix on Graphics | Tux Machines | Jul 12 13:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3qxv | Jul 12 13:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines NVIDIA's 352 Linux Driver Against Linux 4.1 | Jul 12 13:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | With Nouveau Gallium3D http://t.co/kOn6ai8KQE | Jul 12 13:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Jul 12 13:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | NVIDIA's 352 Linux Driver Against Linux 4.1 With Nouveau Gallium3D - Phoronix | Jul 12 13:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3qxw | Jul 12 13:33 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6311356 | Jul 12 14:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Papyros Linux Distro Uses a New Material Design Shell http://news.softpedia.com/news/papyros-linux-distro-uses-a-new-material-design-shell-486460.shtml | Jul 12 14:32 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Papyros Linux Distro Uses a New Material Design Shell - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/n3q2s ] | Jul 12 14:32 | |
| schestowitz | "Maybe the target market is not computer pros" | Jul 12 14:32 |
| MinceR | it almost never is anymore | Jul 12 14:33 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6316903 | Jul 12 14:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Based on the level of international media coverage, Amos Yee definitely succeed in showing that #LeeKuanYew is a naked emperor | Jul 12 14:34 | |
| schestowitz | "You are not asking the obvious question - why is this happening now? There's nothing new about Singapore's attitude to liberties." | Jul 12 14:34 |
| schestowitz | It's good that Western media FINALLY decided to cover this, shattering the illusion many still have. | Jul 12 14:34 |
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| cubexyz | "the planet" is fine | Jul 12 15:31 |
| schestowitz | "illegal alien" | Jul 12 15:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.examiner.com/article/chutzpah-obama-administration-blames-gop-for-murder-of-woman-by-illegal-alien | Jul 12 15:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.examiner.com | Chutzpah: Obama administration blames GOP for murder of woman by illegal alien - National Law Enforcement | Examiner.com [ http://ur1.ca/n3s2m ] | Jul 12 15:32 | |
| cubexyz | it's the management of resources which is bad | Jul 12 15:32 |
| schestowitz | "Do you believe in aliens?" | Jul 12 15:32 |
| schestowitz | "yes, I watched FOX" | Jul 12 15:32 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/DUC6tNh.jpg | Jul 12 15:33 |
| MinceR | or perhaps http://cdn.meme.am/instances/51056007.jpg | Jul 12 15:34 |
| cubexyz | I'm not saying it's Aliens... :) | Jul 12 15:34 |
| MinceR | http://www.troll.me/images/aliens-guy/im-not-saying-that-it-was-aliens-but-it-was-aliens.jpg | Jul 12 15:36 |
| cubexyz | had to use windows today... ugh | Jul 12 15:37 |
| cubexyz | most of the time I can avoid it | Jul 12 15:38 |
| cubexyz | had one customer ask me about upgrading to windows 10 | Jul 12 15:39 |
| cubexyz | on a happier note most of the work today was done via the customer's linux computer | Jul 12 15:50 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MxsQueen/status/620313838668394496 https://twitter.com/MxsQueen/status/620314012106907648 https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/620314990118051840 | Jul 12 15:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MxsQueen: @schestowitz seemed to whom? The uk has been through well established prolonged threats. 7/7 wasn't one. | Jul 12 15:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MxsQueen: @schestowitz what about the numerous victims of fascists attempting race war? | Jul 12 15:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz @PressHerald we should have seen this coming 230 years ago with #manifest #Destiny. Such #hubris about being #exceptional | Jul 12 15:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/nanayasleeps/status/620317449586655232 | Jul 12 15:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nanayasleeps: @MxsQueen @schestowitz remember white nationalists don't count | Jul 12 15:53 | |
| schestowitz | If our government announced Web censorship, mass surveillance etc. to fight racism, they would high uphill battle | Jul 12 15:55 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620328141500907520 | Jul 12 16:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: Nobrainer. Therefore we can only assume this has always been THE intention. https://t.co/K19TiU7Qkw | Jul 12 16:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Killing civilians to vanquish Isis will only make besieged people hate us http://t.co/73DNys5WkW #drones | Jul 12 16:38 | |
| schestowitz | Or desirable side effect for the "deliverables" | Jul 12 16:38 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LaKademy 2015 https://t.co/KZ4V45qsmJ | Jul 12 16:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (dot.kde.org) | Jul 12 16:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dot.kde.org | LaKademy 2015 | KDE.news | Jul 12 16:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Rare breed: Linux Mint 17.2 offers desktop | Jul 12 16:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | familiarity and responds to user wants | Jul 12 16:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/wD0qY1ndnw (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 12 16:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Rare breed: Linux Mint 17.2 offers desktop familiarity and responds to user wants | Tux Machines | Jul 12 16:53 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines linux powered net player | Jul 12 16:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/JR3PNsMVzf | Jul 12 16:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (dragotin.wordpress.com) “The cherry ear net | Jul 12 16:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dragotin.wordpress.com | DIY Net Player | Dragotin's Blog | Jul 12 16:57 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | player, based on raspberry pi and HifiBerry | Jul 12 16:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Amp+.” | Jul 12 16:57 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Rare breed: Linux Mint 17.2 offers desktop | Jul 12 16:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | familiarity and responds to user wants | Jul 12 16:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/ydO61vMQEp (arstechnica.com) | Jul 12 16:57 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Rare breed: Linux Mint 17.2 offers desktop familiarity and responds to user wants | Ars Technica | Jul 12 16:57 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @RamiSilawi For the first time since #Slackware Mint makes | Jul 12 17:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | me stop #Hopping cc @tuxmachines @Linux_Mint | Jul 12 17:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #linux | Jul 12 17:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3syc | Jul 12 17:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines OS/2 HPFS File-System Now Has TRIM Support On | Jul 12 17:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux http://t.co/2QGYDii7o7 (www.phoronix.com) | Jul 12 17:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3sye | Jul 12 17:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | OS/2 HPFS File-System Now Has TRIM Support On Linux - Phoronix | Jul 12 17:16 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Two teen programmers talk about why they love | Jul 12 17:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux, love Google and don't hate Windows 10 | Jul 12 17:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/F9HSgdBEBG (www.businessinsider.in) | Jul 12 17:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.in | Two teen programmers talk about why they love Linux, love Google and don't hate Windows 10 | Business Insider India | Jul 12 17:16 | |
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| MinceR | so they don't know winblows 10 yet | Jul 12 17:22 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/620335967908536321 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/620336528351449088 | Jul 12 17:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Rare breed: #LinuxMint 17.2 offers desktop familiarity and responds to user wants http://t.co/bVjeKkCvjK #gnu #linux | Jul 12 17:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Bugzilla 5.0 Released, Their Most Exciting New Version In History http://t.co/1NZujtIiDg | Jul 12 17:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.phoronix.com | Bugzilla 5.0 Released, Their Most Exciting New Version In History - Phoronix | Jul 12 17:36 | |
| r_schestowitz | MinceR: it's the MS booster | Jul 12 17:36 |
| r_schestowitz | Julie Bort | Jul 12 17:36 |
| r_schestowitz | irrelevant question from her | Jul 12 17:36 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A Week With GNOME As My Linux Desktop: What | Jul 12 18:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | They Get Right & Wrong http://t.co/Z5J5opdMfQ | Jul 12 18:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Jul 12 18:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | A Week With GNOME As My Linux Desktop: What They Get Right & Wrong (Editorial) - Phoronix | Jul 12 18:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3tem | Jul 12 18:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A Week With GNOME As My Linux Desktop: What | Jul 12 18:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | They Get Right & Wrong http://t.co/mn0NBa3gIX | Jul 12 18:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 12 18:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3ten | Jul 12 18:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A Week With GNOME As My Linux Desktop: What They Get Right & Wrong | Tux Machines | Jul 12 18:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Two teen programmers talk about why they love | Jul 12 18:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux, love Google and don't hate Windows 10 | Jul 12 18:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/EQTx1eJgwX (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 12 18:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3teq | Jul 12 18:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Two teen programmers talk about why they love Linux, love Google and don't hate Windows 10 | Tux Machines | Jul 12 18:10 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS Gets a Second Update with | Jul 12 20:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ARM, UFS, and IPv4 Improvements | Jul 12 20:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/DalhdQWfbq (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 12 20:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3uul | Jul 12 20:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS Gets a Second Update with ARM, UFS, and IPv4 Improvements | Tux Machines | Jul 12 20:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Zorin OS 10 Will be the Most Beautiful Release | Jul 12 20:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Yet, Based on Ubuntu 15.04 | Jul 12 20:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/WZ6HLxh94f (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 12 20:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3uum | Jul 12 20:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Zorin OS 10 Will be the Most Beautiful Release Yet, Based on Ubuntu 15.04 | Tux Machines | Jul 12 20:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Wine Staging:Release 1.7.47 | Jul 12 20:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/RCBxaYMW7R (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 12 20:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3uup | Jul 12 20:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine Staging:Release 1.7.47 | Tux Machines | Jul 12 20:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Kodi 15.0 Release Candidate 2 "Isengard" Brings | Jul 12 20:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Multiple Fixes, Download Now | Jul 12 20:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/NnWxYxarnA (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 12 20:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3uuq | Jul 12 20:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kodi 15.0 Release Candidate 2 "Isengard" Brings Multiple Fixes, Download Now | Tux Machines | Jul 12 20:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Is Moving to GCC 5 | Jul 12 20:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/2lZfDTclEv (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 12 20:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3uur | Jul 12 20:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Is Moving to GCC 5 | Tux Machines | Jul 12 20:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux 4.2-rc2 http://t.co/pDy4bhnTc4 | Jul 12 20:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 12 20:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 4.2-rc2 | Tux Machines | Jul 12 20:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3uus | Jul 12 20:44 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Numerous NSS Vulnerabilities Closed in All | Jul 12 23:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu OSes http://t.co/ZB0abnH3Lk | Jul 12 23:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 12 23:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3wax | Jul 12 23:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Numerous NSS Vulnerabilities Closed in All Ubuntu OSes | Tux Machines | Jul 12 23:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Is Moving to GCC 5 | Jul 12 23:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by http://t.co/2lZfDTclEv (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 12 23:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tokvbok | Jul 12 23:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3waz | Jul 12 23:40 |
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| schestowitz | me to glyn: | Jul 13 04:19 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 13 04:19 |
| schestowitz | As you may have noticed, EPO banned my site some days ago. It's how they deal with information these days, after assigning Control Risks to spy on me (confirmed) and maybe even using DDOS (I cannot prove this). I suppose you have not published any articles about this for the same reason I don't compose articles about trade agreements; I don't know enough to confidently remark on these. | Jul 13 04:19 |
| schestowitz | If you choose to write something about the EPO (the scandals are many and a summary would therefore be long), I can help filling you in with citations to supportive articles (sometimes translations thereof) and fact-checking. The EPO regime is closely connected to what's found in so-called 'trade' agreements; weakening one would weaken the other. | Jul 13 04:19 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 13 04:20 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KStars – A new look! http://t.co/VikJE5xeZ6 | Jul 13 04:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.msadityan.com | KStars – A new look! | M.S.Adityan | Jul 13 04:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.msadityan.com) | Jul 13 04:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3ypd | Jul 13 04:30 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Azermane/status/620350897512652804 https://twitter.com/Azermane/status/620345183016755201 | Jul 13 04:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Azermane: @TheRalphRetort figured you might be interested in this article about Stonemirror if you haven't already seen it http://t.co/llAH5zwNW8 | Jul 13 04:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Azermane/status/620350897512652804 https://twitter.com/Azermane/status/620345183016755201 | Jul 13 04:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Richard Stallman and Bruce Perens Defamed by Troll | Techrights | Jul 13 04:42 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Azermane: @KotakuInAction @Amantisme this is Stonemirror http://t.co/llAH5zwNW8 disgusting human being, feel free to spread it on reddit if you'd like | Jul 13 04:42 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New version of #sparkylinux has just been | Jul 13 06:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | released http://t.co/UUlPSa7tCj | Jul 13 06:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (sparkylinux.org) | Jul 13 06:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3zmp | Jul 13 06:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sparkylinux.org | Home | SparkyLinux | Jul 13 06:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS Gets a Second Update with | Jul 13 06:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ARM, UFS, and IPv4 Improvements | Jul 13 06:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/E2LuYuXNaA (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 06:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS Gets a Second Update with ARM, UFS, and IPv4 Improvements - Softpedia | Jul 13 06:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Zorin OS 10 Will be the Most Beautiful Release | Jul 13 06:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Yet, Based on Ubuntu 15.04 | Jul 13 06:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/ChyV1H8rua (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 06:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Zorin OS 10 Will Be the Most Beautiful Release Yet, Based on Ubuntu 15.04 - Softpedia | Jul 13 06:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3zmr | Jul 13 06:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux 4.2-rc2 http://t.co/qddkuOzxrO | Jul 13 06:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (lkml.iu.edu) | Jul 13 06:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.iu.edu | Linux-Kernel Archive: Linux 4.2-rc2 | Jul 13 06:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3znx | Jul 13 06:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Numerous NSS Vulnerabilities Closed in All | Jul 13 06:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu OSes http://t.co/jLjgiZuXev | Jul 13 06:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Numerous NSS Vulnerabilities Closed in All Ubuntu OSes - Softpedia | Jul 13 06:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linux.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 06:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3zny | Jul 13 06:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Is Moving to GCC 5 | Jul 13 06:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/gB2uvAHRNC (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 06:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n3znz | Jul 13 06:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Is Moving to GCC 5 - Softpedia | Jul 13 06:33 | |
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| schestowitz | "he’s not staff, and the link is 404" | Jul 13 07:03 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6337716 | Jul 13 07:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #mozilla staff on proprietary Pocket: the feature nobody wanted http://benjaminkerensa.com/2015/07/12/pocket-the-feature-nobody-wanted it's good to see understanding that it was a dumb move | Jul 13 07:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://benjaminkerensa.com/2015/07/12/pocket-the-feature-nobody-wanted ) | Jul 13 07:03 | |
| schestowitz | he deleted it | Jul 13 07:03 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6335917 | Jul 13 07:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Has it been made consensus by now (outside the tech world) that #microsoft violates #privacy intentionally? techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA | Jul 13 07:04 | |
| schestowitz | Yet there are diasporians promoting MS marketing crap like this: | Jul 13 07:04 |
| schestowitz | http://mblng.tumblr.com/post/123873121297/how-microsoft-is-protecting-customer-data-in-the | Jul 13 07:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mblng.tumblr.com | How Microsoft is Protecting Customer Data in the... - Mblng [ http://ur1.ca/n3zw6 ] | Jul 13 07:04 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 13 07:04 |
| schestowitz | Yet there are diasporians promoting MS marketing crap like this: | Jul 13 07:04 |
| schestowitz | http://mblng.tumblr.com/post/123873121297/how-microsoft-is-protecting-customer-data-in-the | Jul 13 07:04 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 13 07:04 |
| schestowitz | Not sure whether to laugh or sign | Jul 13 07:04 |
| schestowitz | sigh | Jul 13 07:04 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6310093 | Jul 13 07:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The eternal rumor: Will Microsoft dump Windows Mobile and go for Android? http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/209341-the-eternal-rumor-will-microsoft-dump-windows-mobile-and-go-for-android add "patent extortion" to end, then true | Jul 13 07:07 | |
| schestowitz | "microsoft should dump whole microsoft" | Jul 13 07:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.extremetech.com | The eternal rumor: Will Microsoft dump Windows Mobile and go for Android? | ExtremeTech [ http://ur1.ca/n3zx8 ] | Jul 13 07:08 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/620550146288414721 | Jul 13 07:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz nasty! https://t.co/kW7WBiNI1u | Jul 13 07:13 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rik_ferguson: #HackingTeam has code for UEFI module for BIOS persistency of RCS 9 agent (i.e. survives even HD replace) PPT here: https://t.co/N6zJMB0PML | Jul 13 07:13 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6305542 | Jul 13 07:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The company I work for does manage to make income from #freesw development and maintenance and it's far from the only one in Europe | Jul 13 07:18 | |
| schestowitz | "how does it generate income? support?" | Jul 13 07:18 |
| schestowitz | and custom development | Jul 13 07:18 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.14.48 LTS Adds ARM, ARM64, x86, | Jul 13 07:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and IPv4 Optimizations http://t.co/9zocqEb5b8 | Jul 13 07:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 3.14.48 LTS Adds ARM, ARM64, x86, and IPv4 Optimizations - Softpedia | Jul 13 07:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n405c | Jul 13 07:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AMD Has Been Finishing Up EGL 1.5 Support In | Jul 13 07:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mesa http://t.co/uIuHpZdgsc (www.phoronix.com) | Jul 13 07:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n405d | Jul 13 07:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Marek At AMD Has Been Finishing Up EGL 1.5 Support In Mesa - Phoronix | Jul 13 07:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google and BlackBerry team up for a secure | Jul 13 07:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | enterprise Android http://t.co/Skhs1GY4NJ | Jul 13 07:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.engadget.com) | Jul 13 07:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com | Google and BlackBerry team up for a secure enterprise Android | Jul 13 07:35 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Top 6 Free iOS, Android Games Released in June | Jul 13 07:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 2015 http://t.co/6W09NO5i60 (www.ibtimes.co.in) | Jul 13 07:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.co.in | Top 6 Free iOS, Android Games Released in June 2015 | Jul 13 07:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Genymobile Grabs $7.7 Million To Become The Red | Jul 13 07:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Hat Of Android http://t.co/B5vIfgmwHk | Jul 13 07:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com | Genymobile Grabs $7.7 Million To Become The Red Hat Of Android | TechCrunch | Jul 13 07:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (techcrunch.com) | Jul 13 07:41 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.10.84 LTS Arrives with x86, ARM, | Jul 13 07:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and Networking Fixes http://t.co/1QeUsPG6Ne | Jul 13 07:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 07:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel 3.10.84 LTS Arrives with x86, ARM, and Networking Fixes | Tux Machines | Jul 13 07:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A developer replete with Drupal vim and vigor | Jul 13 07:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/wxMQkF6R0t (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 07:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4079 | Jul 13 07:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A developer replete with Drupal vim and vigor | Tux Machines | Jul 13 07:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google and BlackBerry team up for a secure | Jul 13 07:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | enterprise Android http://t.co/cM0sSpty9t | Jul 13 07:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 07:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google and BlackBerry team up for a secure enterprise Android | Tux Machines | Jul 13 07:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n407a | Jul 13 07:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Genymobile Grabs $7.7 Million To Become The Red | Jul 13 07:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Hat Of Android http://t.co/i05vAbUvQP | Jul 13 07:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 07:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Genymobile Grabs $7.7 Million To Become The Red Hat Of Android | Tux Machines | Jul 13 07:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n407b | Jul 13 07:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Download Mozilla Thunderbird 38.1 for Linux, | Jul 13 07:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mac OS X, and Windows http://t.co/zDUNao2ris | Jul 13 07:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Download Mozilla Thunderbird 38.1 for Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows | Tux Machines | Jul 13 07:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n40a8 | Jul 13 07:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google Releases A Second Build Of Android M | Jul 13 07:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Just For Developers http://t.co/rx1VYf1YHz | Jul 13 07:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com | Google Releases A Second Build Of Android M Just For Developers | TechCrunch | Jul 13 07:51 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Everything new in the Android M Preview 2 | Jul 13 07:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/7VuaHbx6b4 (arstechnica.com) | Jul 13 07:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n40aa | Jul 13 07:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Everything new in the Android M Preview 2 | Ars Technica | Jul 13 07:52 | |
| MinceR | http://dustri.org/b/firefox-youre-supposed-to-be-in-my-pocket-not-the-other-way-around.html | Jul 13 07:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dustri.org | Artificial truth · Firefox, you're supposed to be in my pocket, not the other way around. [ http://ur1.ca/n40bl ] | Jul 13 07:55 | |
| MinceR | time for a fork, perhaps | Jul 13 07:59 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Sony's Android-powered Smart TV range lands in | Jul 13 08:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Australia http://t.co/CTl3nwv3sz (www.cnet.com) | Jul 13 08:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnet.com | Sony's Android-powered Smart TV range lands in Australia - CNET | Jul 13 08:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n40go | Jul 13 08:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Galaxy S6 user switches to the iPhone 6, runs | Jul 13 08:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | back to Android after two weeks | Jul 13 08:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/DSG3RKfLMr (bgr.com) | Jul 13 08:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com | iPhone 6 vs. Galaxy S6: Android user switches back after two weeks | BGR | Jul 13 08:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google's Next Android Feature Could Give it a | Jul 13 08:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Big Advantage Over Apple's iPhone | Jul 13 08:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/tuXeeAWPcn (www.fool.com) | Jul 13 08:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fool.com | Google's Next Android Feature Could Give it a Big Advantage Over Apple's iPhone -- The Motley Fool | Jul 13 08:11 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android M release date: latest news and rumours | Jul 13 09:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/SiQ11FJ7WX (www.telegraph.co.uk) | Jul 13 09:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.telegraph.co.uk | Android M release date: latest news and rumours - Telegraph | Jul 13 09:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android has come a long way since Google bought | Jul 13 09:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | it 10 years ago today http://t.co/PTRd6OaTLe | Jul 13 09:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (venturebeat.com) "quietly building software | Jul 13 09:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-venturebeat.com | Android has come a long way since Google bought it 10 years ago today | VentureBeat | Mobile | by Jordan Novet | Jul 13 09:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | for cell phones." | Jul 13 09:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4125 | Jul 13 09:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Wear to soon support interactive watch | Jul 13 09:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | faces http://t.co/1jD4qlCslU | Jul 13 09:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.slashgear.com | Android Wear to soon support interactive watch faces - SlashGear | Jul 13 09:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.slashgear.com) | Jul 13 09:10 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Cossacks 3 RTS Has Two New Teasers, Will Be On | Jul 13 09:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux https://t.co/zNA7b2C8Xl | Jul 13 09:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Jul 13 09:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n41f9 | Jul 13 09:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Cossacks 3 RTS Has Two New Teasers, Will Be On Linux | GamingOnLinux | Jul 13 09:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Cramer: "Redhat is really the best there is," | Jul 13 09:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | he said. "Everyone uses Redhat." | Jul 13 09:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/AuEVmIZBkn (www.thestreet.com) | Jul 13 09:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thestreet.com | Cramer -- Don't Dump Redhat (RHT) Over NYSE Glitch; Do Bet on Comcast (CMCSA) - TheStreet | Jul 13 09:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Top 30 Apps from the Tizen Store for first half | Jul 13 09:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 2015 http://t.co/alhP6Edwxl | Jul 13 09:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tizenexperts.com) | Jul 13 09:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Top 30 Apps from the Tizen Store for first half 2015Tizen Experts | Jul 13 09:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n41fd | Jul 13 09:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Point Linux 3.0 Replaces GNOME 3 Classic with | Jul 13 09:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Xfce, Based on Debian 8 Jessie | Jul 13 09:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/XwQv3GwN3O (linux.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 09:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Point Linux 3.0 Replaces GNOME 3 Classic with Xfce, Based on Debian 8 Jessie - Softpedia | Jul 13 09:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n41ji | Jul 13 09:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu's Unity 8, Mir, and LXC for Xapps | Jul 13 09:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Received Major Improvements | Jul 13 09:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/XwQv3GwN3O (linux.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 09:55 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 4.0 to Reach End of Life Soon, | Jul 13 09:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Users Urged to Move to Linux Kernel 4.1 | Jul 13 09:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/mWQKrTsKP9 (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 09:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n41jk | Jul 13 09:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 4.0 to Reach End of Life Soon, Users Urged to Move to Linux Kernel 4.1 - Softpedia | Jul 13 09:56 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus OS Gets Linux Kernel 4.1.2 LTS, Firefox | Jul 13 10:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 39, and Much More http://t.co/mWQKrTsKP9 | Jul 13 10:57 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 13/7/2015: Linux 4.2 and Kodi 15.0 | Jul 13 10:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Release Candidate 2 http://t.co/XeD7hoCykI | Jul 13 10:57 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat News http://t.co/NyHNSMylp0 | Jul 13 10:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 13/7/2015: Linux 4.2 and Kodi 15.0 Release Candidate 2 | Techrights | Jul 13 10:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat News | Tux Machines | Jul 13 10:58 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/D6hnp8hBL4 | Jul 13 11:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Jul 13 11:47 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/rtC6V41Ecv | Jul 13 11:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Jul 13 11:47 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/8UKIRFlQek | Jul 13 11:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Jul 13 11:47 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/yrYIUaTwzn | Jul 13 11:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 13 11:47 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/620651797963763713 | Jul 13 15:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Feds can read every email you opened last year without a warrant @ruskin147 @schestowitz http://t.co/x26S4jfNq5 | Jul 13 15:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com | Feds can read every email you opened last year without a warrant | ZDNet | Jul 13 15:23 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/620667298274111488 | Jul 13 15:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Government-sponsored cyberattack company likely hacked by another country, it claims @ruskin147 @schestowitz http://t.co/a7UTGXs57Y | Jul 13 15:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.independent.co.uk | Hacking Team: government-sponsored cyberattack company likely hacked by another country, it claims - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent | Jul 13 15:29 | |
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| MinceR | m$ code quality in Linux: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/drivers/net/hyperv/netvsc_drv.c?id=3a494e710367c0a233d86bcde9853781859fc008#n784 | Jul 13 16:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.kernel.org | kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - Linux kernel source tree [ http://ur1.ca/n45bs ] | Jul 13 16:02 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qapsl0ck/status/620685435484917761 | Jul 13 16:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qapsl0ck: @schestowitz Jabber combines fine with PGP :) | Jul 13 16:06 | |
| r_schestowitz | can be self-hosted with encryption too | Jul 13 16:06 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qapsl0ck/status/620686024759476224 | Jul 13 16:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qapsl0ck: @schestowitz yups, here is raspberry doing that ;) | Jul 13 16:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Kernel 4.0 Will Reach EOL Next Week, Kernel | Jul 13 16:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 4.0.9 Being The Latest Update From The Series | Jul 13 16:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/aBJS2xAW5n (linuxg.net) | Jul 13 16:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n45fa | Jul 13 16:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net | Kernel 4.0 Will Reach EOL Next Week, Kernel 4.0.9 Being The Latest Update From The Series | LinuxG.net | Jul 13 16:14 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Makes Strides in Enterprise Embedded | Jul 13 16:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Market http://t.co/DgVqdvHNnD (www.linux.com) | Jul 13 16:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com | Android Makes Strides in Enterprise Embedded Market | Linux.com | Jul 13 16:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Review: SolydK 201506 http://t.co/3ucsUxUOa2 | Jul 13 16:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 16:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Review: SolydK 201506 | Tux Machines | Jul 13 16:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Zorin OS 10 RC Screenshot Tour - A Gorgeous New | Jul 13 16:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Design for a Different OS | Jul 13 16:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/PC07otSZjR (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 16:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n45g1 | Jul 13 16:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Zorin OS 10 RC Screenshot Tour - A Gorgeous New Design for a Different OS | Tux Machines | Jul 13 16:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines FreeBSD 10.2 Beta 1 Now Ready for Download and | Jul 13 16:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Testing http://t.co/QyI1zRdHz0 | Jul 13 16:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 16:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FreeBSD 10.2 Beta 1 Now Ready for Download and Testing | Tux Machines | Jul 13 16:33 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Makes Strides in Enterprise Embedded | Jul 13 16:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Market http://t.co/9OBxMUeuEp | Jul 13 16:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 16:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Makes Strides in Enterprise Embedded Market | Tux Machines | Jul 13 16:33 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Zorin OS 10 RC Screenshot Tour - A Gorgeous New | Jul 13 16:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Design for a Different OS | Jul 13 16:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/oAfoVvAIUd (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 16:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Zorin OS 10 RC Screenshot Tour - A Gorgeous New Design for a Different OS - Softpedia | Jul 13 16:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Trinity Linux System Call Fuzz Tester | Jul 13 16:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Effectively Suspended http://t.co/jTfUJjQIwR | Jul 13 16:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Jul 13 16:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Trinity Linux System Call Fuzz Tester Effectively Suspended - Phoronix | Jul 13 16:33 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/620692253997170688 | Jul 13 16:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Sounds a bit daft but...All Instant Messaging Could Be Killed In The UK Within Weeks @ruskin147 @schestowitz http://t.co/Gj8Eas8243 | Jul 13 16:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.forbes.com | All Instant Messaging Could Be Killed In The UK Within Weeks - Forbes | Jul 13 16:34 | |
| r_schestowitz | won't happen, just a shaming tactic | Jul 13 16:34 |
| razielle_tzu | yeah... | Jul 13 16:36 |
| razielle_tzu | second, or is it third(?), crypto war.. 20 years and nothing has changed really | Jul 13 16:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch to Get Enhanced SMS Capabilities | Jul 13 16:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | with Next Update http://t.co/TzyuVWoluv | Jul 13 16:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch to Get Enhanced SMS Capabilities with Next Update - Softpedia | Jul 13 16:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) http://t.co/Ko3noq82xo | Jul 13 16:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linux.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 16:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Two Django Vulnerabilities Fixed in Ubuntu OSes - Softpedia | Jul 13 16:42 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @BuzztalkToday followed @tuxmachines | Jul 13 16:42 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/620698095702175744 | Jul 13 16:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz @ruskin147 Yes. Was thinking something like that... | Jul 13 16:57 | |
| r_schestowitz | Facebook will declare victory at the end, even if it "lost" (by silently complying by adding back doors) | Jul 13 16:57 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Steam for Linux Gets Multiple Updates in Just | Jul 13 17:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Two Weeks http://t.co/aNyku31OSf | Jul 13 17:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Steam for Linux Gets Multiple Updates in Just Two Weeks - Softpedia | Jul 13 17:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 17:03 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Alien: Isolation Might Arrive on Linux | Jul 13 17:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/WaM7XB6Dbq (linux.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 17:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n45y1 | Jul 13 17:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Alien: Isolation Might Arrive on Linux - Softpedia | Jul 13 17:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Dekko Native IMAP Email Client for Ubuntu Touch | Jul 13 17:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Shows Desktop Convergence | Jul 13 17:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/8Mk5YE9ZUO (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 17:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Dekko Native IMAP Email Client for Ubuntu Touch Shows Desktop Convergence - Softpedia | Jul 13 17:04 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Vendetta Online 1.8.344 MMORPG Has Better | Jul 13 17:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Anti-Aliasing Support for Intel GPUs | Jul 13 17:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Vendetta Online 1.8.344 MMORPG Has Better Anti-Aliasing Support for Intel GPUs - Softpedia | Jul 13 17:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n465g | Jul 13 17:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Trinity Linux System Call Fuzz Tester | Jul 13 17:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Effectively Suspended http://t.co/adRm2JNwzs | Jul 13 17:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 17:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Trinity Linux System Call Fuzz Tester Effectively Suspended | Tux Machines | Jul 13 17:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n465i | Jul 13 17:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Ubuntu http://t.co/YkT3cXBmRM | Jul 13 17:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 17:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Ubuntu | Tux Machines | Jul 13 17:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n465j | Jul 13 17:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Review: SolydK 201506 http://t.co/k9JWrBUJEI | Jul 13 17:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dasublogbyprashanth.blogspot.co.uk | Das U-Blog by Prashanth: Review: SolydK 201506 | Jul 13 17:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (dasublogbyprashanth.blogspot.co.uk) | Jul 13 17:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n465k | Jul 13 17:26 |
| r_schestowitz | > One you might find interesting. | Jul 13 17:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jul 13 17:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/08/exxon-climate-change-1981-climate-denier-funding | Jul 13 17:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Exxon knew of climate change in 1981, email says – but it funded deniers for 27 more years | Environment | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/n2oel ] | Jul 13 17:31 | |
| r_schestowitz | Thanks, I've just shared it in some sites. | Jul 13 17:31 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "Photon: a lightweight Linux operating system | Jul 13 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | for cloud-native apps" http://t.co/WfAST6pjaV | Jul 13 18:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | VMware's Photon torpedoes the competition | ZDNet | Jul 13 18:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.zdnet.com) | Jul 13 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n46uc | Jul 13 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Dekko Native IMAP Email Client for Ubuntu Touch | Jul 13 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Shows Desktop Convergence | Jul 13 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tokvbok http://t.co/8Mk5YE9ZUO (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 13 18:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Dekko Native IMAP Email Client for Ubuntu Touch Shows Desktop Convergence - Softpedia | Jul 13 18:39 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mangaka Is an Artful Blend of Simplicity and | Jul 13 22:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Style http://t.co/vaetmDd8zy | Jul 13 22:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 13 22:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n48zz | Jul 13 22:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mangaka Is an Artful Blend of Simplicity and Style | Tux Machines | Jul 13 22:38 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6311356 | Jul 14 01:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Papyros Linux Distro Uses a New Material Design Shell http://news.softpedia.com/news/papyros-linux-distro-uses-a-new-material-design-shell-486460.shtml | Jul 14 01:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Papyros Linux Distro Uses a New Material Design Shell - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/n3q2s ] | Jul 14 01:09 | |
| schestowitz | "What do computer pro’s have to do with this? I have more formal qualifications in the visual arts than in technology. Poor design is ugly, regardless of ones level of familiarity with technology." | Jul 14 01:09 |
| schestowitz | Your tweet | Jul 14 01:10 |
| schestowitz | "Over a decade ago I met in person a PGP developer (one of the key ones). Even before that many of my messages were encrypted." | Jul 14 01:10 |
| schestowitz | reminded me to tell you: please | Jul 14 01:11 |
| schestowitz | 1) set an expiration date (e.g. 2015-08-01) to your 1024-bit key | Jul 14 01:11 |
| schestowitz | 2) generate a new 4096-key | Jul 14 01:11 |
| schestowitz | Rationale: | Jul 14 01:11 |
| schestowitz | 1024 bit keys are considered to be weak. | Jul 14 01:11 |
| schestowitz | And your other key is quite old. | Jul 14 01:11 |
| schestowitz | no reply needed. | Jul 14 01:11 |
| schestowitz | Just act. | Jul 14 01:11 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ruskin147/status/620817521860608000 | Jul 14 01:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ruskin147: @SleepyPenguin1 @schestowitz this is total nonsense, Forbes rewrite of Express story. How are they going to pass this law "within weeks"? | Jul 14 01:23 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/620821579061194752 | Jul 14 01:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @ruskin147 @schestowitz Was wondering about that myself. | Jul 14 01:23 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch to Get Enhanced SMS Capabilities | Jul 14 01:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | with Next Update http://t.co/QFl34QyakO | Jul 14 01:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 01:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4aef | Jul 14 01:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch to Get Enhanced SMS Capabilities with Next Update | Tux Machines | Jul 14 01:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Unity 8's 3D Task Switcher for the Ubuntu | Jul 14 01:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Desktop Is Evolving http://t.co/Geg6jiSK9y | Jul 14 01:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 01:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Unity 8's 3D Task Switcher for the Ubuntu Desktop Is Evolving | Tux Machines | Jul 14 01:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4aeg | Jul 14 01:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GhostBSD 10.1 BETA2 now available | Jul 14 01:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/S3lpT9FmfD (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 01:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4aeh | Jul 14 01:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GhostBSD 10.1 BETA2 now available | Tux Machines | Jul 14 01:56 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agelatinouscube/status/620733668969938945 | Jul 14 06:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agelatinouscube: @SakuyaRed0 http://t.co/PBMhctFju8 | Jul 14 06:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Richard Stallman and Bruce Perens Defamed by Troll | Techrights | Jul 14 06:09 | |
| schestowitz | Lefty... | Jul 14 06:09 |
| schestowitz | still trolling | Jul 14 06:09 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/620903387920527360 | Jul 14 06:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@readergordonbp: Appalling. https://t.co/vXLCcn4Pek | Jul 14 06:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Teenager handcuffed by #uk #police after giving £1 to a homeless man wins £5,000 pay out for unlawful detention http://t.co/Eij93wOXcA | Jul 14 06:35 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Vecchi_Paolo/status/620904480578514944 | Jul 14 06:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Vecchi_Paolo: @schestowitz Latest example from Microsoft here: https://t.co/t9axFnkzQv with my answer to it here: http://t.co/soMrAkpwlp (in Italian) | Jul 14 06:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.microsoft.com | A Pesaro l’Ufficio a Cielo Aperto: grazie a Microsoft al Comune di Pesaro lo Smart Working è una realtà | Microsoft News Center Italy | Jul 14 06:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.omnis-systems.com | Microsoft: a Pesaro i conti non tornano - Omnis Systems Srl - Distribuzione soluzioni basate su Open Source e Linux | Jul 14 06:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mangaka Is an Artful Blend of Simplicity and | Jul 14 07:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Style http://t.co/O3Qrb6eWYP | Jul 14 07:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxinsider.com | Mangaka Is an Artful Blend of Simplicity and Style | Reviews | LinuxInsider | Jul 14 07:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.linuxinsider.com) | Jul 14 07:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4coz | Jul 14 07:07 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google may add doodle, emoji sharing between | Jul 14 07:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android Wear smartwatches | Jul 14 07:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/o44EFzZe9J (mashable.com) | Jul 14 07:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mashable.com | Google may add doodle, emoji sharing between Android Wear smartwatches | Jul 14 07:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4cyu | Jul 14 07:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Adam Williamson: Fedora 23 call for Test Days | Jul 14 07:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/DhSnouRM9H (www.happyassassin.net) | Jul 14 07:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4cyw | Jul 14 07:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://www.happyassassin.net/2015/07/10/fedora-23-call-for-test-days/ ) | Jul 14 07:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Chakra: KDE Applications 15.04.3 available | Jul 14 07:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/ipeuUFi0W4 (chakraos.org) | Jul 14 07:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4cyx | Jul 14 07:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chakraos.org | KDE Applications 15.04.3 available | Chakra | News | Jul 14 07:41 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6342577 | Jul 14 07:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google Photos keeps collecting your pictures even after you delete the Android apphttp://www.theverge.com/2015/7/14/8956945/google-photos-collecting-pictures-android-after-delete-app yep, I warned about this ages ago | Jul 14 07:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theverge.com | Google Photos keeps collecting your pictures even after you delete the Android app | The Verge [ http://ur1.ca/n4d2t ] | Jul 14 07:52 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/620926173774745600 | Jul 14 08:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: Dislike the bossy ways of their Windows app works. No check if I want to limit folders. Sulks & quits #allornothing https://t.co/ep2qjI6JaQ | Jul 14 08:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Google Photos keeps collecting your pictures even after you delete the Android http://t.co/sIPktLC7da ... https://t.co/hGIvajjFLF | Jul 14 08:03 | |
| r_schestowitz | Why use Windows? | Jul 14 08:03 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/620927209310715905 | Jul 14 08:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz touché! Ah, the woes of a "work" environment, even if I'm co-owner😪. Working on other co-owners to switch to #linux #takestime | Jul 14 08:08 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/osrin/status/620927479126036480 | Jul 14 08:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@osrin: @schestowitz will that worry them? | Jul 14 08:11 | |
| r_schestowitz | it already does, to a degree | Jul 14 08:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines HP 455 G3 Ubuntu laptop - Linux on a budget | Jul 14 08:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/EmpgnFW6Zt (www.techworld.com) | Jul 14 08:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4d93 | Jul 14 08:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techworld.com | HP 455 G3 Ubuntu laptop - Linux on a budget: Budget Laptops Review | Techworld | Jul 14 08:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Diving into Android M: what else is new in | Jul 14 08:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Preview 2? http://t.co/x104lt3FKt | Jul 14 08:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.androidauthority.com) | Jul 14 08:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com | Diving into Android M: what else is new in Preview 2? | Jul 14 08:15 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines HP 455 G3 Ubuntu laptop - Linux on a budget | Jul 14 08:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/0PL4YGaMPH (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 08:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4d95 | Jul 14 08:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | HP 455 G3 Ubuntu laptop - Linux on a budget | Tux Machines | Jul 14 08:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME Foundation AGM 2015 | Jul 14 08:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/a0iuuPVOPQ (permalink.gmane.org) | Jul 14 08:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | "Annual General Meeting...at the Folkets Hus | Jul 14 08:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-permalink.gmane.org | GNOME Foundation AGM 2015 | Jul 14 08:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | [2] in Gothenburg, Sweden." | Jul 14 08:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4dc5 | Jul 14 08:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Albion Online Summer Alpha On Linux! | Jul 14 08:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/FBAHJTdGiO (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Jul 14 08:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4dcd | Jul 14 08:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Albion Online Summer Alpha On Linux! | GamingOnLinux | Jul 14 08:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Steam made easy on fedora | Jul 14 08:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/MsdfhQoWcb (negativo17.org) | Jul 14 08:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4dcj | Jul 14 08:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-negativo17.org | Steam made easy | negativo17 | Jul 14 08:26 | |
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| msb__ | MinceR: Hi! Please tell me what you mean by "ricer"? I thought it was a food grater. | Jul 14 09:28 |
| MinceR | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ricer | Jul 14 09:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.urbandictionary.com | Urban Dictionary: ricer [ http://ur1.ca/n4dw1 ] | Jul 14 09:29 | |
| MinceR | or '5.' under https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ricer | Jul 14 09:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | ricer - Wiktionary | Jul 14 09:30 | |
| msb__ | " <MinceR> of course it's still an attractive target to ricers" | Jul 14 09:30 |
| MinceR | i find their extreme emphasis on making boot allegedly faster at the cost of making it unreliable ludicrous and pointless | Jul 14 09:31 |
| msb__ | Got it -- mods that make the thing worse. Thanks! | Jul 14 09:32 |
| cubexyz | *nix should be modular | Jul 14 09:39 |
| cubexyz | if one doesn't like bash there's ash, csh, ksh etc | Jul 14 09:40 |
| cubexyz | but you should be able to swap one component out and put in it's replacement seamlessly | Jul 14 09:40 |
| cubexyz | I don't think that's the case with systemd | Jul 14 09:41 |
| msb__ | Sure, just swap out systemd and Linux, and put in Windows. | Jul 14 09:42 |
| msb__ | Swap out your brain and put in an overripe cantaloupe. | Jul 14 09:43 |
| cubexyz | honestly I don't think there's many folks who are returning to windows | Jul 14 09:43 |
| cubexyz | I've heard of some going from Linux to Mac OS X | Jul 14 09:44 |
| msb__ | Maybe when Linux turns further to shit they will. | Jul 14 09:44 |
| msb__ | When the whole thing is incorporated into systemd, apps and all. | Jul 14 09:44 |
| msb__ | And it forces you to use a DE that's designed for a 4-inch screen. | Jul 14 09:45 |
| XRevan86 | > And it forces you to use a DE that's designed for a 4-inch screen | Jul 14 09:45 |
| XRevan86 | I don't get it. | Jul 14 09:45 |
| cubexyz | http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#GNU.2FLinux_distributions | Jul 14 09:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-without-systemd.org | Without Systemd [ http://ur1.ca/jrovf ] | Jul 14 09:46 | |
| msb__ | The govt will do a false-flag terror attack using desktop Linux, which will then be made a crime to use. | Jul 14 09:46 |
| cubexyz | not to mention Minix, OpenBSD, Haiku, Plan9 etc etc | Jul 14 09:46 |
| msb__ | Them too. | Jul 14 09:47 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: Why bother? Just enforce Secure Boot. | Jul 14 09:47 |
| cubexyz | all the governments of the world? I think not :) | Jul 14 09:47 |
| cubexyz | the genie is out of the bottle now and has been for some time | Jul 14 09:48 |
| msb__ | Just the allies of the US -- England, France, Germany, Israel | Jul 14 09:48 |
| msb__ | and of course Canada | Jul 14 09:48 |
| msb__ | All ISPs will be required to send a crypto message to each user, to which only Windows can respond. Without a correct response, the user is disconnected, and a swat team sent to his home. | Jul 14 09:50 |
| cubexyz | except some of the ISPs run BSD | Jul 14 09:50 |
| cubexyz | my own ISP does | Jul 14 09:50 |
| msb__ | As he will be considered a terrorist, they will shoot on sight. | Jul 14 09:50 |
| cubexyz | in Canada we still have freenets: | Jul 14 09:51 |
| cubexyz | http://www.ncf.ca | Jul 14 09:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ncf.ca | National Capital FreeNet, Ottawa's not-for-profit internet provider (ISP) | Jul 14 09:52 | |
| cubexyz | but definitely we should keep an eye on things | Jul 14 09:53 |
| msb__ | A person using Linux will send out a virus causing screen strobing that makes everyone in the country throw up. Using Linux will be punishable by death, like smoking pot. | Jul 14 09:54 |
| MinceR | as time passes, the difference between systemd/Linux and windows decreases | Jul 14 09:55 |
| msb__ | Plan 9 From Outer Space: "Greetings, my friend. We are all interested in the future, for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. And remember my friend, future events such as these will affect you in the future. " | Jul 14 09:56 |
| cubexyz | msb__, my understanding is that 23 states have legal medical marijuana | Jul 14 09:56 |
| cubexyz | just like we do in Canada | Jul 14 09:57 |
| MinceR | redcrap is probably planning to kill unix | Jul 14 09:57 |
| cubexyz | they can't | Jul 14 09:57 |
| MinceR | m$ is probably waiting for them to do so, so the time will be right to revoke the certificate they sold to redcrap | Jul 14 09:58 |
| cubexyz | I have at least 100 distros on CD and DVD | Jul 14 09:58 |
| MinceR | doesn't stop them and their followers from trying everything they can, though | Jul 14 09:58 |
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| msb__ | That is something I don't understand, since the US govt knew in the 1960s that cannabis was helping people to see through govt propaganda. | Jul 14 09:58 |
| cubexyz | could Redhat "kill" AIX? Of course not | Jul 14 09:59 |
| MinceR | aix will probably die on its own | Jul 14 09:59 |
| MinceR | has ibm sold it off yet? | Jul 14 09:59 |
| msb__ | Which led to huge protests that stopped the attacks on Vietnam. | Jul 14 09:59 |
| msb__ | I hope the medical marijuana they sell is not GMO and rots the brain. | Jul 14 10:00 |
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| msb__ | Plan 9 is a very funny movie! | Jul 14 10:02 |
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| cubexyz | there's an old AIX that can run on PS/2's | Jul 14 10:03 |
| cubexyz | probably clone 386's as well | Jul 14 10:03 |
| cubexyz | IBM killed that off in 1995 | Jul 14 10:03 |
| cubexyz | nowadays it runs on POWER7 | Jul 14 10:04 |
| msb__ | http://thelastamericanvagabond.com/Cannabis_GMO.php | Jul 14 10:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thelastamericanvagabond.com | Cannabis | GMO [ http://ur1.ca/n4e7o ] | Jul 14 10:08 | |
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| cubexyz | you can actually run a true Unix SysV open source Unix with OpenSXCE and Illumos | Jul 14 10:10 |
| msb__ | http://forum.grasscity.com/advanced-growing-techniques/1262286-terminator-gene.html | Jul 14 10:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forum.grasscity.com | Terminator Gene - Advanced Growing Techniques [ http://ur1.ca/n4e8d ] | Jul 14 10:11 | |
| cubexyz | it evolved like this: Unix SVR4 -> OpenSolaris -> Illumos, OpenSXCE | Jul 14 10:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines An Awesome Developer Response To A Comment On | Jul 14 10:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | The Linux Version Being A Waste Of Time | Jul 14 10:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/UGn7MeLrBI (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Jul 14 10:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4e8p | Jul 14 10:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | An Awesome Developer Response To A Comment On The Linux Version Being A Waste Of Time | GamingOnLinux | Jul 14 10:12 | |
| msb__ | cubexyz: Yes, _you_ will always be able to run some kind of Unix. As long as you don't connect to the Net. | Jul 14 10:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "Legend Of Grimrock has sadly been unplayable | Jul 14 10:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | for anyone on Linux with an #Nvidia 900 series | Jul 14 10:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | chip" https://t.co/C54SEFUYH2 | Jul 14 10:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Jul 14 10:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Legend Of Grimrock Now Playable Again On Linux For Nvidia 900 Series | GamingOnLinux | Jul 14 10:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Lava Android One 2.0 Set for Release in India | Jul 14 10:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | This Week; What we Know so Far on Google's | Jul 14 10:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Affordable Nexus Phone http://t.co/v3mQHGS1r8 | Jul 14 10:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.ibtimes.co.in) | Jul 14 10:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.co.in | Lava Android One 2.0 Set for Release in India This Week; What we Know so Far on Google's Affordable Nexus Phone | Jul 14 10:12 | |
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| MinceR | as long as the government doesn't find out you have a general-purpose computer :> | Jul 14 10:12 |
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| msb__ | Right. It has to keep sending out the signal that says, "I'm just a wristwatch." | Jul 14 10:13 |
| cubexyz | on one hand you're worried about Linux but a attack on general computing is way worse | Jul 14 10:15 |
| msb__ | "And my owner is a Republican." | Jul 14 10:15 |
| msb__ | We'll just have to sneak in Raspberry-Pi boards from North Korea and Iran. | Jul 14 10:16 |
| cubexyz | if I was dependent on Brand Systems I might be a bit worried | Jul 14 10:17 |
| cubexyz | but I have at least a dozen x86 boxes running Linux or BSD | Jul 14 10:17 |
| cubexyz | Raspberry PI doesn't run windows | Jul 14 10:18 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: Shh! First they'll make you register them... | Jul 14 10:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Openmandriva – a brief review | Jul 14 10:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/Jwia1A6zwM | Jul 14 10:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nwrickert2.wordpress.com | Openmandriva – a brief review | Thoughts on computing | Jul 14 10:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (nwrickert2.wordpress.com) | Jul 14 10:18 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Allen Day Elected to GNOME Foundation Board of | Jul 14 10:18 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Directors https://t.co/NnNdGCbbKS | Jul 14 10:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://blogs.gnome.org/aday/2015/07/13/diary-of-a-new-board-member/ ) | Jul 14 10:18 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Systemd – What You Need to Know | Jul 14 10:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/yqNQT0HUue | Jul 14 10:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Systemd - What You Need to Know - Make Tech Easier | Jul 14 10:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.maketecheasier.com) | Jul 14 10:18 |
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| msb__ | Unix is the direct cause of vomiterrorism! | Jul 14 10:20 |
| cubexyz | think about how many computers get chucked out for almost no reason at all | Jul 14 10:20 |
| cubexyz | all candidate Linux boxes | Jul 14 10:20 |
| msb__ | Sounds like a fun business. Make about 8 good ones out of 10 trashed ones, just by board swapping. | Jul 14 10:21 |
| msb__ | Maybe 6 or 7. | Jul 14 10:22 |
| msb__ | Probably a lot of good disk drives thrown out just because they're too small. 200GB | Jul 14 10:24 |
| cubexyz | I had an odd moment in a comptuer store a few months ago | Jul 14 10:25 |
| cubexyz | I asked for an IDE drive and the person didn't know what I was talking about :) | Jul 14 10:26 |
| cubexyz | good thing I didn't ask for a SCSI-1 drive | Jul 14 10:26 |
| msb__ | They would have called for the guys in white coats with butterfly nets. | Jul 14 10:28 |
| msb__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsCyC1dZiN8 | Jul 14 10:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Jethro Tull - Living In The Past 1969 - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/8etal ] | Jul 14 10:30 | |
| cubexyz | love the hair :) | Jul 14 10:32 |
| cubexyz | did you know about Jethro Tull the agriculturist? | Jul 14 10:34 |
| msb__ | He had pretty good hair too! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jethro_Tull_%28agriculturist%29 | Jul 14 10:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Jethro Tull (agriculturist) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/n4ehp ] | Jul 14 10:36 | |
| cubexyz | haha | Jul 14 10:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Semplice Linux 7 and the vera desktop | Jul 14 10:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/dNBtAnLexQ (distrowatch.com) | Jul 14 10:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. | Jul 14 10:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Why Linux is More Practical Than OS X | Jul 14 10:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/lMwnfxXniY (www.datamation.com) | Jul 14 10:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datamation.com | Why Linux is More Practical Than OS X - Datamation | Jul 14 10:37 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "485 out of 500 systems were using Linux" | Jul 14 10:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/rpKpfJKQuZ (www.serverwatch.com) | Jul 14 10:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.serverwatch.com | Supercomputing Power Stagnates as Tianhe-2's Speed Remains Unchallenged | Jul 14 10:37 | |
| cubexyz | datamation is running Microsoft ads :-/ | Jul 14 10:40 |
| MinceR | written by bruce byfield or otherwise? | Jul 14 10:40 |
| cubexyz | this article is written by Matt Hartley | Jul 14 10:40 |
| cubexyz | seems to be pro-Linux | Jul 14 10:41 |
| cubexyz | there's like at least 4 Microsoft ads on my screen | Jul 14 10:42 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi retweeted @tuxmachines: '"485 out of 500 systems were using Linux"...' | Jul 14 10:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @RamiSilawi .@tuxmachines That's 97% using #linux :) | Jul 14 10:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/n5eVKeHdRT | Jul 14 10:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamiSilawi: .@tuxmachines That's 97% using #linux :) http://t.co/n5eVKeHdRT | Jul 14 10:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4ek7 | Jul 14 10:43 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: are you running AdBlock? | Jul 14 10:44 |
| cubexyz | no | Jul 14 10:44 |
| cubexyz | I don't mind some ads | Jul 14 10:44 |
| cubexyz | I'll just run dillo on this URL | Jul 14 10:46 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/620969502352781313 | Jul 14 10:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @schestowitz indeed, shows how low we've sunk | Jul 14 10:55 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/620970951002488833 | Jul 14 11:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @schestowitz yeah, strange that | Jul 14 11:03 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620971085576716288 https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620971155390918656 | Jul 14 11:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz Difficult merges often point out a faulty breakdown into modules, or poor team communication. | Jul 14 11:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz In short, I'm not surprised students would find this hard; they haven't learned how to do it well yet. | Jul 14 11:04 | |
| r_schestowitz | there is a learning curve | Jul 14 11:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux-friendly EtherCAT controller expands via | Jul 14 11:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | PCIe http://t.co/kJnH7Jzatc (linuxgizmos.com) | Jul 14 11:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Linux-friendly EtherCAT controller expands via PCIe · LinuxGizmos.com | Jul 14 11:12 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @ducbook followed @tuxmachines | Jul 14 11:12 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/mikloshvanEgan/status/620974343619760128 | Jul 14 11:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mikloshvanEgan: #Austerity-#Festival begins: Because in the #End, The #Evil relies on its #Victim's #Sanctions #Greece now, #EU next https://t.co/SzQcuJcXX6 | Jul 14 11:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #greece is being collectively punished because if it shuns #austerity and this succeed it'll make others follow. Like socialism in Lat Am. | Jul 14 11:15 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/OrterF/status/620976921267073024 | Jul 14 11:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@OrterF: #Austerity-#Festival begins: Because in the #End, The #Evil relies on its #Victim's #Sanctions #Greece now, #EU ne… https://t.co/kI76RxUH5M | Jul 14 11:24 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620977310511034368 | Jul 14 11:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz Yeah and later on we call it "experience" ;-) | Jul 14 11:29 | |
| r_schestowitz | Cellphone gen hasn't got patience for that.. they don't even type entire words | Jul 14 11:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Development of the nOS Linux Distribution Has | Jul 14 11:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Stopped http://t.co/R6FPOQ4SYi | Jul 14 11:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Development of the nOS Linux Distribution Has Stopped - Softpedia | Jul 14 11:31 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines You Can Now Install Most of the Ubuntu Touch | Jul 14 11:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Core Apps on Your Ubuntu Desktop | Jul 14 11:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/JSFqwbfR8i (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 14 11:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | You Can Now Install Most of the Ubuntu Touch Core Apps on Your Ubuntu Desktop - Softpedia | Jul 14 11:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Companies Most Active On The Systemd | Jul 14 11:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mailing List http://t.co/BmpFMLQuF0 | Jul 14 11:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Jul 14 11:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | The Companies Most Active On The Systemd Mailing List - Phoronix | Jul 14 11:32 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: KDE http://t.co/jRXx64gRly | Jul 14 11:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 11:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: KDE | Tux Machines | Jul 14 11:32 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Development of the nOS Linux Distribution Has | Jul 14 11:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Stopped http://t.co/nzUUG742RK | Jul 14 11:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Development of the nOS Linux Distribution Has Stopped | Tux Machines | Jul 14 11:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How to win the copyleft fight—without | Jul 14 11:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | litigation http://t.co/hYrEhKogX7 | Jul 14 11:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to win the copyleft fight—without litigation | Tux Machines | Jul 14 11:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines You Can Now Install Most of the Ubuntu Touch | Jul 14 11:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Core Apps on Your Ubuntu Desktop | Jul 14 11:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | You Can Now Install Most of the Ubuntu Touch Core Apps on Your Ubuntu Desktop | Tux Machines | Jul 14 11:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Companies Most Active On The Systemd | Jul 14 11:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mailing List http://t.co/uHIXkKWUnF | Jul 14 11:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 11:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Companies Most Active On The Systemd Mailing List | Tux Machines | Jul 14 11:46 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus OS Now Boots in 3.5 Seconds | Jul 14 11:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Solus OS Now Boots in 3.5 Seconds - Softpedia | Jul 14 11:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Here Is Why The Linux 4.2 Kernel Is Messing Up | Jul 14 11:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | On Some Ubuntu Systems http://t.co/E97QDM2McM | Jul 14 11:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Jul 14 11:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Here Is Why The Linux 4.2 Kernel Is Messing Up On Some Ubuntu Systems - Phoronix | Jul 14 11:46 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How to get systems administrators and | Jul 14 11:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | developers to agree with Docker | Jul 14 11:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/GgSQNB4eek (opensource.com) | Jul 14 11:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com | Docker knows how to win over developers and sysadmins | Opensource.com | Jul 14 11:53 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @KelinZakhar favourited 'How to get systems administrators and developers to...' | Jul 14 11:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New Media Player in the Works for Ubuntu Touch | Jul 14 12:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to Replace Grooveshark http://t.co/5JCeeMpt7E | Jul 14 12:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | New Media Player in the Works for Ubuntu Touch to Replace Grooveshark - Softpedia | Jul 14 12:20 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE 15.10 Drops Desktop Cube as Default | Jul 14 12:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | for Compiz, for Now http://t.co/C2CoG6DfKN | Jul 14 12:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 14 12:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu MATE 15.10 Drops Desktop Cube as Default for Compiz, for Now - Softpedia | Jul 14 12:20 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux AIO Gathers All the Fedora 22 Live CDs | Jul 14 12:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | into a Single ISO Image http://t.co/RgODO1hbha | Jul 14 12:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 14 12:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux AIO Gathers All the Fedora 22 Live CDs into a Single ISO Image - Softpedia | Jul 14 12:21 | |
| r_schestowitz | > Mohd Sohail sent a message using the contact form at http://www.tuxmachines.org/contact. | Jul 14 12:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Contact | Tux Machines | Jul 14 12:31 | |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jul 14 12:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > I've been facing problems with Spam filter. Whenever I submit any story I get an error saying I've typed capatcha correctly (I type correctly). When I resubmit it after retyping capatcha it says "You have triggered spam filter. Your story will not be submitted.". Please solve this issue ASAP. | Jul 14 12:31 |
| r_schestowitz | 2 people reported this issue to me before. I thought it got resolved, but I guess I was wrong. Do you submit as blog or news? I reported this issue to mollon and at one point I thought that maybe mollom cache error was to blame. How many times did this happen? Only today? Thanks for reporting this, I am eager to get to the bottom of it. | Jul 14 12:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New Manjaro Linux Update Brings the Latest AMD | Jul 14 12:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Catalyst Drivers, Linux Kernel 4.1.2 | Jul 14 12:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/DuCBPgMPLU (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 14 12:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | New Manjaro Linux Update Brings the Latest AMD Catalyst Drivers, Linux Kernel 4.1.2 - Softpedia | Jul 14 12:38 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines SystemRescueCd 4.5.4 Moves to Linux Kernels | Jul 14 12:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 3.14.48 and 3.18.18 LTS | Jul 14 12:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/b43DjP3Bu3 (linux.softpedia.com) | Jul 14 12:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | SystemRescueCd 4.5.4 Moves to Linux Kernels 3.14.48 and 3.18.18 LTS - Softpedia | Jul 14 12:39 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Ubuntu http://t.co/ZSlxA5bXPQ | Jul 14 12:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 12:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4fru | Jul 14 12:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Ubuntu | Tux Machines | Jul 14 12:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux AIO Gathers All the Fedora 22 Live CDs | Jul 14 12:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | into a Single ISO Image http://t.co/lBS6ysvR7c | Jul 14 12:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 12:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux AIO Gathers All the Fedora 22 Live CDs into a Single ISO Image | Tux Machines | Jul 14 12:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4fx5 | Jul 14 12:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines SUSE and ARM http://t.co/1Ce1U9whkI | Jul 14 12:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 12:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4fx6 | Jul 14 12:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SUSE and ARM | Tux Machines | Jul 14 12:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New Manjaro Linux Update Brings the Latest AMD | Jul 14 12:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Catalyst Drivers, Linux Kernel 4.1.2 | Jul 14 12:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/ncjdBY02wR (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 12:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | New Manjaro Linux Update Brings the Latest AMD Catalyst Drivers, Linux Kernel 4.1.2 | Tux Machines | Jul 14 12:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines SystemRescueCd 4.5.4 Moves to Linux Kernels | Jul 14 12:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 3.14.48 and 3.18.18 LTS http://t.co/qImEBHGynb | Jul 14 12:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 12:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4fx9 | Jul 14 12:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SystemRescueCd 4.5.4 Moves to Linux Kernels 3.14.48 and 3.18.18 LTS | Tux Machines | Jul 14 12:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New Media Player in the Works for Ubuntu Touch | Jul 14 12:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by to Replace Grooveshark http://t.co/5JCeeMpt7E | Jul 14 12:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | New Media Player in the Works for Ubuntu Touch to Replace Grooveshark - Softpedia | Jul 14 12:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tokvbok (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 14 12:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4fxa | Jul 14 12:55 |
| cubexyz | Stallman may have to start talking about the "Five Freedoms" | Jul 14 13:16 |
| cubexyz | Freedom Five: The freedom to choose your own init system | Jul 14 13:16 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I already see how to exploit it. | Jul 14 13:17 |
| XRevan86 | "rice": Revan's Init System. | Jul 14 13:18 |
| XRevan86 | on Python with PyQt5 | Jul 14 13:18 |
| XRevan86 | + gobject-introspection to fetch GStreamer | Jul 14 13:19 |
| XRevan86 | (to play a greeting sound after the startup) | Jul 14 13:19 |
| cubexyz | there's talk of a hidden agenda to take over everything | Jul 14 13:20 |
| cubexyz | sounds paranoid I know | Jul 14 13:20 |
| cubexyz | but I just want to pick my own init system | Jul 14 13:21 |
| r_schestowitz | getting hard | Jul 14 13:21 |
| r_schestowitz | unless you use a marginal system | Jul 14 13:21 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Will you support my petition to get "rice" support in Devuan? :) | Jul 14 13:21 |
| XRevan86 | after I write it of course | Jul 14 13:21 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, sure | Jul 14 13:21 |
| cubexyz | more choice is better | Jul 14 13:21 |
| cubexyz | I can cite several non-systemd distros | Jul 14 13:22 |
| XRevan86 | It won't support initscripts so they'll have to make init service for rice from stratch :D | Jul 14 13:22 |
| r_schestowitz | agreed | Jul 14 13:22 |
| cubexyz | embedix (zaurus), bl3, fc1, quasijarus, void linux, vector linux, slackware, and a partridge in a pear tree :) | Jul 14 13:23 |
| cubexyz | openbsd | Jul 14 13:23 |
| XRevan86 | https://github.com/pocmo/Python-Brainfuck I even know on what languages rice's services will be written in. | Jul 14 13:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | pocmo/Python-Brainfuck · GitHub [ http://ur1.ca/n4g8n ] | Jul 14 13:23 | |
| cubexyz | antix | Jul 14 13:23 |
| cubexyz | I can keep going :) | Jul 14 13:23 |
| razielle_tzu | hmm... not used antix in a while | Jul 14 13:24 |
| cubexyz | Bell Labs Unix v1 through v10 | Jul 14 13:24 |
| cubexyz | Plan 9 | Jul 14 13:25 |
| razielle_tzu | might look into void and vector too thinking about it | Jul 14 13:25 |
| XRevan86 | Debian derivatives like Siduction and Crunchbang++ can easily be remade into Devuan derivatives. | Jul 14 13:26 |
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| razielle_tzu | i think i have a netbook runnig crunchbang, might be archbang though | Jul 14 13:26 |
| cubexyz | it's not like there isn't lots of choices | Jul 14 13:27 |
| razielle_tzu | i know | Jul 14 13:27 |
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| XRevan86 | razielle_tzu: How can you not know? | Jul 14 13:27 |
| razielle_tzu | it's been a while and i was manic when i installed it | Jul 14 13:27 |
| XRevan86 | crunchbang is like "apt update; aptitude full-upgrade", archbang is like "pacman -Suy" | Jul 14 13:27 |
| razielle_tzu | i've not had to use it in a few months | Jul 14 13:28 |
| XRevan86 | If it's crunchbang, port it to crunchbang++. | Jul 14 13:28 |
| razielle_tzu | i'll take a look later and port it if it's crunch | Jul 14 13:28 |
| razielle_tzu | trying to decide what to use on the other laptop i have on my desk, currently it is stock ubuntu but i feel like a change but don't want to use arch for another machine... i like variety | Jul 14 13:30 |
| XRevan86 | razielle_tzu: Try void linux. It's like Arch but not Arch. | Jul 14 13:30 |
| razielle_tzu | i'll add it to the list of possibilities, another one i was thinking about trying again was sabayon | Jul 14 13:31 |
| XRevan86 | I'd suggest openSUSE but I think that's dangerous here :D. | Jul 14 13:31 |
| razielle_tzu | lol | Jul 14 13:31 |
| XRevan86 | > sabayon | Jul 14 13:32 |
| XRevan86 | also Calculate Linux | Jul 14 13:32 |
| razielle_tzu | the last one i tried that wasn't my usual group was pclinuxos and i... wasn't a fan | Jul 14 13:32 |
| XRevan86 | pclinuxos is terrible | Jul 14 13:33 |
| XRevan86 | I didn't have a close look, but empty repos were enough. | Jul 14 13:33 |
| razielle_tzu | i booted it in a vm to try and help a friend troubleshoot a couple of things and after that i straight up deleted the entire vm, i didn't even just repurpose the hard drive files | Jul 14 13:34 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/darkstar-0.99-x11.png | Jul 14 13:35 |
| cubexyz | 64 megs is all you need | Jul 14 13:37 |
| razielle_tzu | cool | Jul 14 13:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE 15.10 Drops Desktop Cube as Default | Jul 14 13:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by for Compiz, for Now http://t.co/C2CoG6DfKN | Jul 14 13:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tokvbok (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 14 13:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu MATE 15.10 Drops Desktop Cube as Default for Compiz, for Now - Softpedia | Jul 14 13:41 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 14/7/2015: Android in Enterprise, TOP500 | Jul 14 13:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Has 486 on GNU/Linux http://t.co/xoSwDWExdy | Jul 14 13:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (techrights.org) | Jul 14 13:41 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/VTL90NuDlP | Jul 14 13:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 13:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 14/7/2015: Android in Enterprise, TOP500 Has 486 on GNU/Linux | Techrights | Jul 14 13:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/beEhJJEzP5 | Jul 14 13:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Jul 14 13:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 13:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 14 13:41 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The End of Adobe Flash? http://t.co/U7GXLpWs84 | Jul 14 13:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 13:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The End of Adobe Flash? | Tux Machines | Jul 14 13:41 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines $79 octacore hacker SBC runs Ubuntu and Android | Jul 14 13:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/JxwtCocpn4 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 13:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n4gft | Jul 14 13:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | $79 octacore hacker SBC runs Ubuntu and Android | Tux Machines | Jul 14 13:41 | |
| cubexyz | back in 1985 we had this: | Jul 14 13:44 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/amigados-1.0.gif | Jul 14 13:45 |
| cubexyz | I thought it was so advanced at the time | Jul 14 13:45 |
| razielle_tzu | oh man amigados xD | Jul 14 13:45 |
| razielle_tzu | i never used anything prior to 2.something and the one i remember most is 3.0/3,1 | Jul 14 13:47 |
| cubexyz | we're coming up on the 30th anniversary of the Amiga | Jul 14 13:47 |
| razielle_tzu | i know | Jul 14 13:48 |
| cubexyz | honestly I don't use the amiga any more for work, haven't for a long time | Jul 14 13:53 |
| cubexyz | but I fire it up once a month for fun | Jul 14 13:53 |
| razielle_tzu | i would but one is still in storage and the other is at my mum's | Jul 14 13:56 |
| razielle_tzu | both A600s with about 300 floppies between them | Jul 14 13:56 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/amiga-with-joystick.jpg | Jul 14 13:56 |
| cubexyz | that's the plan 9 box on the left :) | Jul 14 13:57 |
| razielle_tzu | nice | Jul 14 14:05 |
| *cubexyz plays a mod file | Jul 14 14:07 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Unexpected end of ZLIB input stream ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Jul 14 14:23 | |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Maybe you know why this patch breaks everything: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/88b51266 ? :) | Jul 14 14:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paste.debian.net | Debian Pastezone | Jul 14 14:44 | |
| XRevan86 | Maybe AF_UNSPEC is not what I think it is. | Jul 14 14:46 |
| *MinceR plays mod files with audacious | Jul 14 14:54 | |
| MinceR | (possibly to be replaced by mpd) | Jul 14 14:54 |
| MinceR | 191624 < cubexyz> Stallman may have to start talking about the "Five Freedoms" | Jul 14 14:55 |
| MinceR | 191641 < cubexyz> Freedom Five: The freedom to choose your own init system | Jul 14 14:55 |
| MinceR | rms gave up his principles | Jul 14 14:55 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Fixed it, never mind. | Jul 14 15:01 |
| cubexyz | no one made a fuss when the mashey shell was invented | Jul 14 15:04 |
| cubexyz | the thompson shell was primitive, it made sense that someone would make a better shell | Jul 14 15:05 |
| cubexyz | but you could swap it out easy enough | Jul 14 15:06 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, stallman doesn't seem to care about systemd one way or the other from what I've read | Jul 14 15:07 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jul 14 15:07 |
| MinceR | and he should | Jul 14 15:07 |
| MinceR | still, it would be Freedom Four, as it's indexed from 0 | Jul 14 15:09 |
| cubexyz | ah that's true | Jul 14 15:09 |
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| cubexyz | one sysadmin's description of systemd: "a damn maze of BS" | Jul 14 16:10 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 14 16:13 |
| schestowitz | [just got some new info about EPO] | Jul 14 16:17 |
| schestowitz | me: I thought I was being sent a treasure. After numerous Thunderbird crashes (because Enigmail cannot deal too well with some edge cases) and some looking up on command-line recipes for pgp, installing pgp (not gpg) and some other stuff I finally managed to find just an attachment in the mail -- the image which I had access to and made a copy of the other day. I wonder if someone knows the story of why it got 'taken' down, seemingly at | Jul 14 16:17 |
| schestowitz | gunpoint (metaphorically speaking) as SUEPO isn't (yet) controlled by the EPO's thugs. Was there anything in this message except the PDF attachment? Did I miss something that explains the background of it? Either way, without anything confirmed I could only post speculative (and potentially defamatory) article about the deletion of the text. I still don't know what exactly managers at the EPO say about their exposers, I just know some crude | Jul 14 16:17 |
| schestowitz | actions that they take (after they get caught). | Jul 14 16:17 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/mu0WOYiIxX | Jul 14 16:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 16:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jul 14 16:36 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines $79 octacore hacker SBC runs Ubuntu and Android | Jul 14 16:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/92BdApPEXN (linuxgizmos.com) | Jul 14 16:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | $79 octacore hacker SBC runs Ubuntu and Android · LinuxGizmos.com | Jul 14 16:36 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6309800 | Jul 14 17:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 14 17:41 |
| schestowitz | innamon, Unity are based on Gnome. So 3 of 5 are actually the same. MATE is an old Gnome. 4 of 5 are Gnome. | Jul 14 17:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 5 Best Linux Desktop Environments With Pros & Cons http://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/5-best-linux-desktop-environments-with-pros-cons #gnu #linux | Jul 14 17:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.linuxandubuntu.com | 5 Best Linux Desktop Environments With Pros & Cons - LinuxAndUbuntu [ http://ur1.ca/n3x64 ] | Jul 14 17:41 | |
| schestowitz | I would like to see Enlightenment among these. | Jul 14 17:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 14 17:41 |
| schestowitz | "For me, the best DE is Crunchbang, though it’s a little out of date now. I’m eagerly awaiting Bunsen Labs." | Jul 14 17:41 |
| schestowitz | "you mean their customized openbox? then it’s not a DE. I also use some window manager, not DE, but this article is about complete DE’s." | Jul 14 17:42 |
| schestowitz | "By complete DE, you mean complete pile of shit? Openbox can do everything, the rest is just cruft ;-)" | Jul 14 17:42 |
| schestowitz | "I mean what is defined as DE, and by window manager I mean what is defined as wm, not less, not more." | Jul 14 17:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 14 17:42 |
| schestowitz | I mean what is defined as DE | Jul 14 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Sorry, I can’t see what is missing from #! by this definition? | Jul 14 17:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 14 17:42 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6309542 | Jul 14 17:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I trust #debian more than I trust #redhat (for security or bug doors) not because Red Hat means to harm but because of bad neighbourhood | Jul 14 17:43 | |
| schestowitz | |lol neighbourhood ? BTW I am not sure now where my trust lies more , Yes debian did debate a lot for the #systemd but the fact that it got bullied by RH devels who have the argument that they are the main paid devels upstream especially say gnome tells us the fact that trust or not the future lies with RH and its paid devels and debian just lies in the background. :(| | Jul 14 17:43 |
| schestowitz | the neighbourhood can affect one's behaviour | Jul 14 17:43 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6310020 | Jul 14 17:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: It has been a week now and #amazon still refuses to tell me where to send legal papers (to sue them for refusing to identify DDOS attacker) | Jul 14 17:44 | |
| schestowitz | "Find all the addresses you can and send them to each." | Jul 14 17:44 |
| schestowitz | I have another plan for pressuring them | Jul 14 17:44 |
| cubexyz | what, no tinywm? :) | Jul 14 17:45 |
| cubexyz | 58 lines of code | Jul 14 17:46 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/tinywm-1.3.png | Jul 14 17:47 |
| cubexyz | ok, for fancier wm I'll go icewm | Jul 14 17:48 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/openbsd-icewm.png | Jul 14 17:49 |
| cubexyz | one more: | Jul 14 17:54 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/vector-linux-icewm.png | Jul 14 17:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux still rules supercomputing | Jul 14 18:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/92BdApPEXN (linuxgizmos.com) | Jul 14 18:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | $79 octacore hacker SBC runs Ubuntu and Android · LinuxGizmos.com | Jul 14 18:29 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @voidquest44 favourited 'Linux still rules supercomputing http://t.co/92BdApPEXN' | Jul 14 18:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Five Linux desktop distributions with a great | Jul 14 18:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | future http://t.co/KHpCVfjAiD | Jul 14 18:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Five Linux desktop distributions with a great future | Tux Machines | Jul 14 18:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 Is Rebased on Linux Kernel 4.1, | Jul 14 18:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tracking of Linux Kernel 4.2 Continues | Jul 14 18:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/qC8sHEnLoy (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 18:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 15.10 Is Rebased on Linux Kernel 4.1, Tracking of Linux Kernel 4.2 Continues | Tux Machines | Jul 14 18:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 12 Is Now | Jul 14 18:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Available for 64-bit ARM Processors | Jul 14 18:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Ca1N9Zpa0d (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 18:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 12 Is Now Available for 64-bit ARM Processors | Tux Machines | Jul 14 18:30 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Five Linux desktop distributions with a great | Jul 14 19:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by future http://t.co/KHpCVfjAiD | Jul 14 19:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @AcrosticPi (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 19:05 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @linuxaio favourited 'Linux AIO Gathers All the Fedora 22 Live...' | Jul 14 19:15 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 10 outstanding open source server tools | Jul 14 21:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 10 outstanding open source server tools | Tux Machines | Jul 14 21:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.18.18 LTS Is a Huge Release with | Jul 14 21:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Multiple ARM Fixes, Updated Drivers | Jul 14 21:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/rDWatHi059 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 21:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel 3.18.18 LTS Is a Huge Release with Multiple ARM Fixes, Updated Drivers | Tux Machines | Jul 14 21:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Canonical Closes libwmf Vulnerability In Ubuntu | Jul 14 21:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | OSes http://t.co/sfU8YLWbvM | Jul 14 21:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 14 21:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical Closes libwmf Vulnerability In Ubuntu OSes | Tux Machines | Jul 14 21:41 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6342406 | Jul 15 04:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Hacking Team's 'Project X' Wants To Spy on #Tor Users http://motherboard.vice.com/read/hacking-teams-project-x-wants-to-spy-on-tor-users thankfully we know what these criminals are (were) up to | Jul 15 04:08 | |
| schestowitz | "All the more reason to not use Tor Browser." | Jul 15 04:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> motherboard.vice.com | Hacking Team's 'Project X' Wants To Spy on Tor Users | Motherboard [ http://ur1.ca/n42fs ] | Jul 15 04:08 | |
| schestowitz | "I’ve been using Tor Browser at the office and at home but at home it goes through Riseup’s VPN first. Still not a good idea?" | Jul 15 04:08 |
| schestowitz | "If you really want to be teh anon I suggest Whonix." | Jul 15 04:08 |
| schestowitz | Tails | Jul 15 04:08 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6337902 | Jul 15 04:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Gunmen cause scare"? Sounds like terror then. Use of fear, violence and hostage-taking. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/france-gunmen-take-hostages-in-primark-store-in-suburban-paris/ #cbs | Jul 15 04:09 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 15 04:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.cbsnews.com | France gunmen take hostages in Primark store in suburban Paris - CBS News [ http://ur1.ca/n4ntz ] | Jul 15 04:09 | |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brabant_killers | Jul 15 04:09 |
| schestowitz | It was suspected at the time, due to the build and the discipline of the “robbers”, that they were from the Gendarmerie or the Army, trying to create a climate which would favour a far-right government - Gladio, | Jul 15 04:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Brabant killers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/n4nu1 ] | Jul 15 04:09 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 15 04:09 |
| schestowitz | "Why rob a store at 6:30 a.m.? There’s nothing but the float in the cash machines.' | Jul 15 04:09 |
| schestowitz | 6:30 early enough to avoid some cops+guards, I suppose... | Jul 15 04:09 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6337897 | Jul 15 04:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Gunmen on the run" in #paris - again this year. But this time they were 'just' after money, so it's not terrorism... | Jul 15 04:28 | |
| schestowitz | "Entrepreneurs with initiative and audacity. Applause!" | Jul 15 04:28 |
| schestowitz | give them a scholarship... | Jul 15 04:28 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6302130 | Jul 15 04:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #france wants more #html5 - hopefully non-patented video formats and no #drm https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/node/144318 | Jul 15 04:31 | |
| schestowitz | "Could not find any mention of DRM in it…" | Jul 15 04:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> joinup.ec.europa.eu | France updates its web accessibility guidelines | Joinup | Jul 15 04:31 | |
| schestowitz | HTML5 has that in the specs, but it's not actively encouraged | Jul 15 04:32 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6309906 | Jul 15 04:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "GCC 5 the default compiler in Debian Unstable by month's end." http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Debian-GCC5-Unstable-Landing #gcc #gnu #debian | Jul 15 04:33 | |
| schestowitz | "Probably a push. A lot needs to be rebuilt for gcc5, in particular a lot of work for the C++ ABI change. Worth doing but getting it all done by end of month will be hard." | Jul 15 04:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.phoronix.com | Debian Will Soon Make GCC 5 Its Default Compiler - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/n4nzc ] | Jul 15 04:33 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6342319 | Jul 15 04:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Facebook's New Security Chief Calls On #Adobe To Kill #Flash http://www.tomshardware.com/news/alex-stamos-kill-flash-player,29576.html http://www.pcworld.com/article/2947381/how-to-disable-flash-player-why-nows-a-better-time-than-ever.html | Jul 15 04:37 | |
| schestowitz | "adobe should release a flash.js already" | Jul 15 04:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.tomshardware.com | Facebook's New Security Chief Calls On Adobe To Kill Flash [ http://ur1.ca/n4nzu ] | Jul 15 04:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.pcworld.com | How to disable Flash Player: Why now's a better time than ever | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/n4nzv ] | Jul 15 04:37 | |
| schestowitz | That would keep Flash around and some people depending on dangerous blobs | Jul 15 04:37 |
| schestowitz | Although Eich's work on ASM JS might be of use to them | Jul 15 04:38 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6336468 | Jul 15 05:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Two teen programmers talk about why they love Linux, love Google and don't hate Windows 10 http://www.businessinsider.in/Two-teen-programmers-talk-about-why-they-love-Linux-love-Google-and-dont-hate-Windows-10/articleshow/48043655.cms #gnu #linux | Jul 15 05:08 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 15 05:08 |
| schestowitz | It sounds like they hate Windows to me. Both complain of various performance problems and brokenness. Neither has Windows 10. One hopes they fix the brokenness and is afraid of privacy violations. The other uses is because they want to play games and use a non free video editor, but hates having to reinstall it yearly and will only upgrade when their current, perhaps school supplied, Windows 7 key expires. | Jul 15 05:08 |
| schestowitz | I’m impressed that a high school student is aware of privacy violations and considering ethical problems. That shows mature thought that’s rare in corporate media. | Jul 15 05:08 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 15 05:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.businessinsider.in | Two teen programmers talk about why they love Linux, love Google and don't hate Windows 10 | Business Insider India [ http://ur1.ca/n4o72 ] | Jul 15 05:08 | |
| schestowitz | it's an article from Julie Bort, a Microsoft booster, so a pro-Windows slant (about a version that's not even out yet) a must, with veiled endorsement from "Linux" | Jul 15 05:08 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/621245241568292864 | Jul 15 05:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: .@schestowitz in the beginning, yes—like every endeavor. However, enables choice…here is #Elvis vi-clone on ~ #RHEL 7 http://t.co/Q3T294BWgD | Jul 15 05:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6302096 | Jul 15 05:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The #uk Government doesn't understand terrorism — and it's making things worse http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-government-doesnt-understand-terrorism--and-its-making-things-worse-10367519.html "McCarthyite anxiety" | Jul 15 05:12 | |
| schestowitz | "Yes they do, how else can they justify the tax dollars spent on spying on you." | Jul 15 05:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.independent.co.uk | The Government doesn't understand terrorism — and it's making things worse - Comment - Voices - The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/n4o84 ] | Jul 15 05:12 | |
| schestowitz | True for drones... | Jul 15 05:13 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6316549 | Jul 15 05:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Some dude in the sauna today asked me if I was a spy. Odd. I haven't been asked this kind of question in almost a decade and it's BS. | Jul 15 05:14 | |
| schestowitz | "Would it have something to do with those jerks at the EPO or their hired goons at Control Risks? I suppose you will know for sure when someone hacks their email." | Jul 15 05:14 |
| schestowitz | My E-mails go through Telehouse in London, so they could scan it all with secret documents. I wouldn't know it.... | Jul 15 05:15 |
| msb__ | . | Jul 15 05:18 |
| msb__ | New TV series _Zoo_ on CBS. 3rd episode shown last night (Tuesday). Animals fed up with being preyed upon by humans are now attacking us. Looks pretty good. | Jul 15 05:20 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6335232 | Jul 15 05:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Spy on 6.7 billion people (NSA), worry about 21 million http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/feds-hack-affected-million-people/article_2d055ad7-0095-5ec6-9304-c55e3eb613b8.html http://www.myfoxal.com/story/29524412/ua-cyber-security-expert-and-former-longtime-cia-officer-breaks-down-big-goverment-data-breach-affecting-millions | Jul 15 05:23 | |
| schestowitz | "Who worries about those 21 million? Not me, hard to feel sympathy." | Jul 15 05:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.santafenewmexican.com | Feds: Hack affected 21.5 million people - The Santa Fe New Mexican: News [ http://ur1.ca/n4oax ] | Jul 15 05:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.myfoxal.com | UA Cyber security expert and former longtime CIA officer breaks - MyFoxAL.com - FOX6 WBRC Birmingham, AL [ http://ur1.ca/n4oay ] | Jul 15 05:23 | |
| schestowitz | Whose government spies on billions | Jul 15 05:23 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6309428 | Jul 15 05:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The "I" in #iphone http://www.cultofmac.com/328359/future-iphones-could-be-unlocked-with-a-selfie/ http://www.ubergizmo.com/2015/07/iphone-unlock-selfie-patent/ snobs looking at themselves | Jul 15 05:24 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.cultofmac.com | Future iPhones could be unlocked with a selfie [ http://ur1.ca/n4ob6 ] | Jul 15 05:24 | |
| schestowitz | "lol … after the fingerprint stolen, the selfie. What if, after a big fight and your face is hurt or worse, you want to unlock your Ithing to call police or hospital ?" | Jul 15 05:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.ubergizmo.com | Future iPhones Could Unlock By Taking A Selfie | Ubergizmo [ http://ur1.ca/n4ob7 ] | Jul 15 05:24 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621250016514945024 | Jul 15 05:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz @norwind Now there's a good indication the #Snowden leaks contain both mis/disinformation. Only for the most gullible this one | Jul 15 05:53 | |
| schestowitz | Please can you elaborate? | Jul 15 05:54 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/621252412255404032 | Jul 15 05:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz A 2lb engineering hammer can fix most things. Even winduhs servers.... | Jul 15 05:55 | |
| schestowitz | Depends what we mean by "fix" | Jul 15 05:55 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/621253254161301504 | Jul 15 05:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz ROTFLMAO! | Jul 15 05:56 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/621256105398657025 | Jul 15 05:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: "Akin to running #gnu #linux under proprietary…" @Azure? https://t.co/s1ULlJtCLJ #cloud #fail https://t.co/IvVTAzZJDV | Jul 15 05:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> vmdepot.msopentech.com | VM Depot - find, deploy and share images for Windows Azure | Jul 15 05:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Using #tor on top of #windows (not #tails for example) a dangerous compromise. Akin to running #gnu #linux under proprietary #hyperv | Jul 15 05:56 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Greekstudent12/status/621257904469872640 | Jul 15 06:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Greekstudent12: #StopTTIP http://t.co/wcPKY7QLsd #ISDS #privatisation #GreeceCrisis #ThisIsACoup #goldmansachs #Canada #eurozone https://t.co/mNx574pSUP | Jul 15 06:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> stop-ttip.org | Home - Stop TTIP Stop TTIP | Jul 15 06:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: U.S. firm sues #Canada for $10.5 billion over water http://t.co/kvRtXoVWSB preview of #isds madness? | Jul 15 06:04 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621258177426796544 https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621258407819935744 | Jul 15 06:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz Ok, it's very easy to feed encrypted content into a supercomputer, the wait for decryption is not a struggle at all @norwind | Jul 15 06:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz Other than OTP, the maximum wait time for the highest grade of military (not publicly available) encryption is 30 days @norwind | Jul 15 06:04 | |
| schestowitz | 1. it's expensive to do. 2. PGP keys get longer | Jul 15 06:04 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621258922339381248 | Jul 15 06:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz All PGP really does is inhibits the scanning of large packets of unencrypted comms for keywords @norwind | Jul 15 06:05 | |
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| schestowitz | That's like saying no encryption can ever work | Jul 15 06:05 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6310160 | Jul 15 06:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The only so-called 'cloud' that might be reasonable to use http://www.linuxveda.com/2015/07/07/owncloud-8-1-arrives-end-user-admin-improvements/ | Jul 15 06:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.linuxveda.com | ownCloud 8.1 arrives with end user and admin improvements - Linux Veda [ http://ur1.ca/n3xfr ] | Jul 15 06:06 | |
| schestowitz | ""I did’t think so. I may be wrong though. | Jul 15 06:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 15 06:06 |
| schestowitz | Connects to KDE Kontact and the relates parts of this suite, e.g. Kmail with Akonadi | Jul 15 06:06 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621259451731828736 | Jul 15 06:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz And, as every country with SIGINT capacity, & those advised by them, is aware of this, the disinfo is 4 the gullible @norwind | Jul 15 06:07 | |
| schestowitz | We cannot assume everything to be disinfo. | Jul 15 06:07 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621259666903830530 | Jul 15 06:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz SIGINT agencies like NSA and GCHQ are packed with expensive supercomputers for this specific task @norwind | Jul 15 06:08 | |
| schestowitz | Expensive and not always feasible. | Jul 15 06:08 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621259894549680129 | Jul 15 06:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz No it isn't. Properly utilised OTP is unbreakable and in the future quantum encryption is likely to be also @norwind | Jul 15 06:08 | |
| schestowitz | quantom mostly a buzzword for them. It's down to brute force and cost. | Jul 15 06:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621260176566267904 | Jul 15 06:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz However, this part clearly is. No SIGINT agency anywhere struggles to crack PGP @norwind | Jul 15 06:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621260890508263424 | Jul 15 06:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz A baby could feed an encrypted email into a SIGINT supercomputer and conduct the requisite waiting period @norwind | Jul 15 06:12 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621260555521626112 | Jul 15 06:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz That is only true for law enforcement agencies, who struggle to access to SIGINT infrastructure @norwind | Jul 15 06:12 | |
| schestowitz | Better tell that to spies, who apparently cannot ever and could never communicate securely... | Jul 15 06:13 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621261192661577728 | Jul 15 06:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz No we haven't, but we have gained an education into what it can actually do, which is buy time and defeat keyword scanning | Jul 15 06:13 | |
| schestowitz | I see now, based on your profile, that you are in the anti-Wikileaks camp, so I must be wasting my time here | Jul 15 06:14 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621261390464966656 | Jul 15 06:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz this is misinformation. as anybody reading the tweet conversation can easily see | Jul 15 06:15 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621261895589171200 | Jul 15 06:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz Spies have been communicating securely forever. It can be done by anyone, just use OTP @norwind | Jul 15 06:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621262131371995137 | Jul 15 06:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz Gaining an education is never a waste of time. | Jul 15 06:18 | |
| schestowitz | The disinfo comes from you, not the NSA leaks | Jul 15 06:18 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-5 Has Been Delayed Until July | Jul 15 06:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 20, OTA-6 Planning Continues | Jul 15 06:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch OTA-5 Has Been Delayed Until July 20, OTA-6 Planning Continues | Tux Machines | Jul 15 06:35 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6300721 | Jul 15 06:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #YotaPhone drops #Android for #SailfishOS http://www.androidauthority.com/yotaphone-drops-android-for-sailfish-os-622541/ #linux | Jul 15 07:00 | |
| schestowitz | "that could be nice. But this phone seems too expensive for Jolla’s community." | Jul 15 07:00 |
| schestowitz | "Above header is actually false. But yes, there still are plans of choosing Sailfish OS as mobile operating system for Russian government use which is a +1." | Jul 15 07:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.androidauthority.com | YotaPhone drops Android for Sailfish OS - Android Authority [ http://ur1.ca/n4oxt ] | Jul 15 07:00 | |
| schestowitz | Jolla can put pressure on Android to improve security | Jul 15 07:00 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/5847829 | Jul 15 07:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Cutegram 2.1.1 Arrives with Many Improvements, Still the Best #Telegram Client for Linux Ever http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/Cutegram-2-1-1-Arrives-with-Many-Improvements-Still-the-Best-Telegram-Client-for-Linux-Ever-476979.shtml #gnu #linux | Jul 15 07:01 | |
| schestowitz | "Its sad to see Free Software advocates promoting a non-free service offered by a single company (no federation). What advantage telegram has over a Free Software WhatsaApp client? Just because it is not owned by Facebook, it is recommended?" | Jul 15 07:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linux.softpedia.com | Cutegram 2.1.1 Arrives with Many Improvements, Still the Best Telegram Client for Linux Ever - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/n4oy0 ] | Jul 15 07:01 | |
| schestowitz | "The advantage is that you can start a SECRET CHAT which bypasses the the server and offers end to end encryption, completely libre. Do your home work before hating more…" | Jul 15 07:01 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6311200 | Jul 15 07:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Database administration is a highly sought-after skill not because of it's hard but because of lack of training. Schools teach MS UI instead | Jul 15 07:01 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 15 07:01 |
| schestowitz | No, it’s hard. =) | Jul 15 07:01 |
| schestowitz | No, really, it seems to me that there are fades in IT and the most popular trade is developer. On the other hand, I have not met so much people that is attracted to database management. And most people do not change (become specialists?) so if someone has been sysadmin do not have interest in becoming database admin, and so on. | Jul 15 07:01 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 15 07:01 |
| schestowitz | It helps to have some lesser experience with it, to avoid having to pay a specialist to fix a DB | Jul 15 07:02 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6310135 | Jul 15 07:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: David Guetta: Piracy Brings Fans to My Concerts https://torrentfreak.com/david-guetta-piracy-brings-fans-to-my-concerts-150706/ good for him, maybe not the cartels | Jul 15 07:02 | |
| schestowitz | "well… I think I have to give a chance to Guetta’s music :)" | Jul 15 07:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> torrentfreak.com | David Guetta: Piracy Brings Fans to My Concerts - TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/n4oyh ] | Jul 15 07:02 | |
| schestowitz | His image improved in my mind | Jul 15 07:02 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6300834 | Jul 15 07:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Don Quijones: #Wikileaks Exposes How #TISA Will Gut Financial Regulations All Over the World http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/07/don-quijones-wikileaks-exposes-how-tisa-will-gut-financial-regulations-all-over-the-world.html | Jul 15 07:03 | |
| schestowitz | "Let’s revise that: it will gut financial regulations for the big businesses and the rich. It will certainly not de-regulate the financial surveillance of the populace!" | Jul 15 07:03 |
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| schestowitz | it's clear whose wishlist | Jul 15 07:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.nakedcapitalism.com | Don Quijones: Wikileaks Exposes How TISA Will Gut Financial Regulations All Over the World | naked capitalism [ http://ur1.ca/n4oyu ] | Jul 15 07:03 | |
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| schestowitz | >> Today and yesterday a link was pasted twice. Not sure if the correct ones can still be recovered. | Jul 15 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 15 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > Probably not. Focus is still an issue for me often. The one today might | Jul 15 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > have been this one: | Jul 15 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 15 07:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition review | Jul 15 07:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/oziR8ibmof (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 15 07:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition review | Tux Machines | Jul 15 07:28 | |
| schestowitz | > http://www.pcworld.com/article/2947705/windows-phone-os/nadella-microsoft-isnt-killing-windows-phone-and-will-go-it-alone-if-it-has-to.html | Jul 15 07:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com | Nadella: Microsoft isn't killing Windows Phone and will go it alone if it has to | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/n4p56 ] | Jul 15 07:28 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 15 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > But it's not worth much aside from tracking what the official party line | Jul 15 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > is this week. | Jul 15 07:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Alpine Linux 3.2.2 Server-Oriented Distro Gets | Jul 15 07:28 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 15 07:28 |
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| schestowitz | The writer, Mark Hachman, is a Microsoft booster and he seems to have been promoted by IDG to Senior Editor. | Jul 15 07:28 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition First Impressions, | Jul 15 07:29 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tizen on Raspberry PI 2 now with 3D | Jul 15 07:29 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6345892 | Jul 15 07:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Always loved the idea of the EU because of promises of harmony, commonwealth, democracy. Refuted by #greece #imf and http://www.fosspatents.com/2015/07/leadership-of-european-patent-office.html | Jul 15 07:33 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 15 07:33 |
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| schestowitz | There is nothing more to say. All those that lost there savings have given up all hope they will get anything back. Except maybe some worthless bank stocks. | Jul 15 07:33 |
| schestowitz | In the meantime, the Cyprus law system has failed up to now, to bring the looters to justice. | Jul 15 07:33 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 15 07:33 |
| schestowitz | Cyprus is too small to stand up to international banking | Jul 15 07:33 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6342319 | Jul 15 07:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Facebook's New Security Chief Calls On #Adobe To Kill #Flash http://www.tomshardware.com/news/alex-stamos-kill-flash-player,29576.html http://www.pcworld.com/article/2947381/how-to-disable-flash-player-why-nows-a-better-time-than-ever.html | Jul 15 07:34 | |
| schestowitz | "i don’t mean a blob, just a js library that does everything that flash could do (actionscript is ecmascript anyway), and the already available design tools would use that instead, and existing projects could be migrated" | Jul 15 07:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.tomshardware.com | Facebook's New Security Chief Calls On Adobe To Kill Flash [ http://ur1.ca/n4nzu ] | Jul 15 07:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.pcworld.com | How to disable Flash Player: Why now's a better time than ever | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/n4nzv ] | Jul 15 07:34 | |
| schestowitz | I believe that this is exactly what Eich is working on these days | Jul 15 07:34 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: really the greek mess is stupid. No one knows how to think on feet. | Jul 15 07:37 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promissory_note | Jul 15 07:37 |
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| oiaohm | Like if the EU will not give the greeks enough notes to operate the correct solution is greek banks provide promissory notes to customers so customers can still carry out their require tranactions. | Jul 15 07:38 |
| oiaohm | Of course promissory notes will not be any worth to spend outside greece | Jul 15 07:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDevelop: Concentration as a feature | Jul 15 08:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/1evjvZQqZd (www.proli.net) " Kate. | Jul 15 08:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Instead of focusing on the editor, it went the | Jul 15 08:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.proli.net | KDevelop: Concentration as a feature | TheBlindCow | Jul 15 08:04 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines System76 removes Adobe Flash from its Ubuntu | Jul 15 08:04 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 Is Rebased on Linux Kernel 4.1, | Jul 15 08:11 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines IBM Chasing $20B Linux Server Market With Power | Jul 15 08:12 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eweek.com | IBM Chasing $20B Linux Server Market With Power Systems | Jul 15 08:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 4MLinux 13.1 Distro Enters Beta Stage with | Jul 15 08:21 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-5 Has Been Delayed Until July | Jul 15 08:21 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTg3NjQ For those who don't check lines of code systemd is more a kay project than anyone else by lines of code in it. | Jul 15 08:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Systemd Development Skyrocketed This Year - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/jab95 ] | Jul 15 08:36 | |
| __martin__ | oiaohm: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Systemd_components.svg/720px-Systemd_components.svg.png | Jul 15 08:45 |
| MinceR | kay is at least as much an idiot as poettering | Jul 15 08:46 |
| __martin__ | "Kay = Lead/Primary Developer, GregKH = Kernel Liason / Kay's Kernel Babysitter" - Phoronix Forums | Jul 15 08:47 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Key has written over 50 percent of the code if you flow it back. | Jul 15 08:48 |
| MinceR | gregkh is also the primary apologist for the windowsification of the kernel | Jul 15 08:48 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: interesting point is poettering has written most of the documentation. | Jul 15 08:49 |
| MinceR | did he also write most of the code comments? :> | Jul 15 08:49 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: more than Kay did. | Jul 15 08:50 |
| oiaohm | If I have a problem with a particular developer in systemd it Kay. | Jul 15 08:50 |
| MinceR | at least kay has enough sense to not speak publicly that much | Jul 15 08:51 |
| oiaohm | The document writer kinda has to speak publicly to find out what needs to be documented. | Jul 15 08:51 |
| MinceR | redcrap listens to the public about as much as canonical does | Jul 15 08:52 |
| MinceR | (i.e. not at all) | Jul 15 08:52 |
| oiaohm | When it comes to documentation they listen to public because they hope it reduces phone calls. | Jul 15 08:52 |
| oiaohm | Remember redhat support contracts they make the money if you ring or not. | Jul 15 08:52 |
| oiaohm | Of course they make less if you ring. | Jul 15 08:52 |
| MinceR | if they cared about the number of phone calls, they wouldn't make this mess called systemd | Jul 15 08:53 |
| MinceR | the whole point is to make everyone dependent on their support | Jul 15 08:53 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: no sysvinit and upstart were generating there stack of phone calls. | Jul 15 08:53 |
| MinceR | from the NSA? | Jul 15 08:54 |
| oiaohm | systvinit with PID service tracking failing and upstart ptrace tracking of services breaking stuff was not good fun. | Jul 15 08:54 |
| MinceR | "there are not enough vulnerabilities in the kernel, sysvinit and upstart, please do something about it!" | Jul 15 08:54 |
| MinceR | good thing systemd's failure modes are good fun, right? | Jul 15 08:55 |
| oiaohm | sorry there are vulnerablies in not being able to give services unique /tmp directories and other things. | Jul 15 08:55 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Note I am not saying systemd is perfect. | Jul 15 08:55 |
| oiaohm | The reality is redhat motivation was that the existing was broken. | Jul 15 08:55 |
| MinceR | it's not like systemd's the only way to have unique tmp directories | Jul 15 08:55 |
| MinceR | no, i doubt that's valid motivation for making something that's a thousand times more broken | Jul 15 08:56 |
| MinceR | the existing being not broken enough, on the other hand... | Jul 15 08:56 |
| oiaohm | The middle ground was make something like openrc | Jul 15 08:56 |
| oiaohm | Of course I think redhat did not plan out required key features well enough. | Jul 15 08:57 |
| MinceR | depends on what their goal is | Jul 15 08:57 |
| MinceR | if it's to become SCO #2 and kill unix for m$, they're doing well | Jul 15 08:57 |
| MinceR | if it's to spread dave cutler's "I Hate Unix Principle Of OS Design", they're doing well | Jul 15 08:58 |
| oiaohm | Have you not looked over this . http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTg3NjQ | Jul 15 08:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Systemd Development Skyrocketed This Year - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/jab95 ] | Jul 15 08:59 | |
| oiaohm | Sorry to say systemd does not agree with dave cutlers "I Hate Unix Principle Of OS Design" | Jul 15 08:59 |
| oiaohm | Question MinceR is wayland designed for multiseat like X11 is?? Have you though about that ever. | Jul 15 09:00 |
| MinceR | i don't read moronix that much | Jul 15 09:00 |
| MinceR | i'm more concerned about whether wayland will ever match X11 in flexibility | Jul 15 09:00 |
| MinceR | 145935 < oiaohm> Sorry to say systemd does not agree with dave cutlers "I Hate Unix Principle Of OS Design" | Jul 15 09:00 |
| MinceR | yet they have binary logging | Jul 15 09:00 |
| MinceR | yet they openly attack the unix principles | Jul 15 09:01 |
| MinceR | yet they copy all sorts of design flaws from windows | Jul 15 09:01 |
| oiaohm | Point to example of one of those things MinceR | Jul 15 09:01 |
| MinceR | binary logging: journald | Jul 15 09:01 |
| MinceR | attack on unix principles: poettering's blog posts about ignoring posix and unix principles | Jul 15 09:01 |
| oiaohm | You are aware binary logging syslogs existed before journald | Jul 15 09:01 |
| MinceR | design flaws from windows: unrelated crap in systemd (like gummiboot, udev, a web server), dbus in the kernel | Jul 15 09:02 |
| MinceR | yes, on vms and winblows | Jul 15 09:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: solaris had has binary logging. | Jul 15 09:02 |
| MinceR | slowlaris is crap, so what? | Jul 15 09:02 |
| oiaohm | Reason for binary logging was to prevent tampering. | Jul 15 09:03 |
| MinceR | it doesn't work | Jul 15 09:03 |
| MinceR | and anyone with a clue has known that for ages | Jul 15 09:03 |
| oiaohm | In fact it does work. | Jul 15 09:03 |
| MinceR | the only real ways to prevent tampering are: 1) log to a line printer | Jul 15 09:03 |
| MinceR | 2) log via a unidirectional link to an otherwise isolated system | Jul 15 09:03 |
| MinceR | you _might_ get by with logging over the network to a separate server, but that's less robust already | Jul 15 09:04 |
| oiaohm | 3 a TPM chip cascading signing. | Jul 15 09:04 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 15 09:04 |
| MinceR | yeah, right, let's trust Treacherous Computing | Jul 15 09:04 |
| MinceR | it's not like it was invented to take control of our computers away from us | Jul 15 09:04 |
| MinceR | oh wait, it was | Jul 15 09:04 |
| oiaohm | Or in solaris case a internal encryption engine. | Jul 15 09:05 |
| oiaohm | in the sparc processor | Jul 15 09:05 |
| MinceR | ooh, black boxes in the processor | Jul 15 09:05 |
| MinceR | what's next, the Clipper chip? | Jul 15 09:05 |
| MinceR | with approval from obama and cameron? | Jul 15 09:05 |
| oiaohm | binary logging with signing like journald is required to get approval in some countries MinceR | Jul 15 09:06 |
| MinceR | nobody should ever buy TPMs nor pay for them | Jul 15 09:06 |
| MinceR | what good is your signature if your attacker deletes the log? | Jul 15 09:06 |
| oiaohm | So binary logging with a TPM or equal chip enforcing non tampered state is a requiree feature. | Jul 15 09:06 |
| MinceR | what good is your signature if your log corrupts itself? | Jul 15 09:06 |
| oiaohm | 1 you know that the Log has been deleted. | Jul 15 09:06 |
| MinceR | what good is your signature if you don't use a timestamping authority? | Jul 15 09:06 |
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| MinceR | ooh, the log has been deleted, that tells me so much | Jul 15 09:06 |
| MinceR | without a timestamping authority, an attacker could reconstruct the log without the entires they want missing | Jul 15 09:07 |
| MinceR | s/tire/trie/ | Jul 15 09:07 |
| oiaohm | encryption chip cascading no attacker cannot reconstruct the log without the entiries they want missing. | Jul 15 09:07 |
| MinceR | what good is your signature if your log has filled your log disk ages ago because it shovels all the garbage it can find (including core dumps) into the log? | Jul 15 09:07 |
| MinceR | (and so you weren't logging for ages) | Jul 15 09:08 |
| MinceR | 001024 < ThePub> had an interesting discovery today.. a 1.2TB journald log | Jul 15 09:08 |
| oiaohm | did you not notice that journald supports sending the binary log remote. | Jul 15 09:08 |
| MinceR | this is the only thing that broken pile of garbage is good for | Jul 15 09:08 |
| MinceR | ooh, it also happens to support something that makes sense | Jul 15 09:08 |
| oiaohm | So attacker gets in deletes log or attempts to modify hello cannot keep up stream messages. | Jul 15 09:08 |
| MinceR | stop the presses! | Jul 15 09:08 |
| MinceR | guess what, a reliable logging daemon at a fraction of the size and complexity can do the same | Jul 15 09:09 |
| MinceR | reliably | Jul 15 09:09 |
| oiaohm | Not to required standards. | Jul 15 09:09 |
| oiaohm | You need to read some of the ISO standards on logging. | Jul 15 09:09 |
| oiaohm | Like or not text base does not cut it. | Jul 15 09:10 |
| MinceR | which of them say you must log like windows? | Jul 15 09:10 |
| MinceR | are we pretending text files can't be signed, now? | Jul 15 09:10 |
| oiaohm | In fact windows logging does not cut it. | Jul 15 09:10 |
| oiaohm | Its not effectively signed. | Jul 15 09:10 |
| MinceR | also, was this an ISO "standard" before m$ bought all the people who run ISO? | Jul 15 09:10 |
| MinceR | so they could fast-track OOXML? | Jul 15 09:10 |
| oiaohm | If these standards where written by Microsoft NT would pass. | Jul 15 09:11 |
| MinceR | you should really publish an article on how PGP/GPG signatures don't work | Jul 15 09:11 |
| oiaohm | The parties who wrote the standard I am talking about are HP, IBM and SUN | Jul 15 09:11 |
| oiaohm | Yes old world UNIX | Jul 15 09:11 |
| MinceR | ah, so HP handed over the sheaf of papers they got from their daddy microsoft | Jul 15 09:11 |
| oiaohm | Nop | Jul 15 09:11 |
| MinceR | and the others rubberstamped it | Jul 15 09:11 |
| oiaohm | Nop | Jul 15 09:11 |
| oiaohm | It based off HPUX trusted | Jul 15 09:12 |
| MinceR | and it's not like there are other, more important unix vendors around | Jul 15 09:12 |
| oiaohm | That existed before they rubber stamped anything for Microsoft. | Jul 15 09:12 |
| MinceR | so, in a nutshell, how do GPG/PGP signatures not work? | Jul 15 09:12 |
| oiaohm | Fails for this. | Jul 15 09:12 |
| MinceR | it's a remarkable discovery, you should tell me about it | Jul 15 09:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember what you said about time based. | Jul 15 09:13 |
| oiaohm | Remember I said cascading. | Jul 15 09:13 |
| oiaohm | GPG/PGP are not designed for cascading. | Jul 15 09:13 |
| oiaohm | cascading is something like bitcoin transfers. | Jul 15 09:14 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so to take over the last zones of old world Unix Linux has to pick up a few optional old world unix features. | Jul 15 09:15 |
| oiaohm | Binary logging with cascading encryption option is one of those. | Jul 15 09:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: improved process tracking and using non posix things in init system is another common behavour of old world unix systems. | Jul 15 09:16 |
| MinceR | interesting attempt at revisionist history there | Jul 15 09:17 |
| oiaohm | Not all all. | Jul 15 09:17 |
| oiaohm | HPUX trusted with binary logging is 1986 | Jul 15 09:17 |
| oiaohm | Before Linux existed. | Jul 15 09:17 |
| MinceR | when do we get to "unix was really just a fork of windows nt"? | Jul 15 09:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: How to I know I broke the binary long. | Jul 15 09:18 |
| oiaohm | The binary logging feature predates NT existance. | Jul 15 09:18 |
| oiaohm | It a feature that was copied in. | Jul 15 09:18 |
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| oiaohm | If anyone is the revisionist here on logging its you MinceR | Jul 15 09:19 |
| MinceR | uh huh | Jul 15 09:19 |
| MinceR | so, when do we get to "unix was really just a fork of vms"? | Jul 15 09:20 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you are writing up that binary logging was a Microsoft idea. Its not its a old world Unix idea | Jul 15 09:20 |
| MinceR | (protip: unix predates vms) | Jul 15 09:20 |
| oiaohm | VMS had text logging. | Jul 15 09:20 |
| oiaohm | I said old world Unix being the old world binary build Unix guys. | Jul 15 09:21 |
| msb__ | Systemd will soon have a new feature, where it sends copies of the journal to Putin! | Jul 15 09:21 |
| MinceR | i wonder what's AT&T and BSD | Jul 15 09:21 |
| msb__ | So he can Rule the World! | Jul 15 09:22 |
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| MinceR | for that, putler would have to pay redcrap more than the NSA does | Jul 15 09:22 |
| oiaohm | https://books.google.com.au/books?id=GvmWQKoB1AsC&pg=PA224&lpg=PA224&dq=hpux+binary+logging&source=bl&ots=X0DMamrKhf&sig=JYW4OEU53DfNMLb2uQi5ouy0_co&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDcQ6AEwBGoVChMIjqbtr53dxgIVZdimCh3t7g5z | Jul 15 09:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-books.google.com.au | UNIX Administration: A Comprehensive Sourcebook for Effective Systems ... - Bozidar Levi - Google Books [ http://ur1.ca/n4q2j ] | Jul 15 09:24 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: notice accounting log files. | Jul 15 09:24 |
| oiaohm | Unix having binary log files is nothing new MinceR | Jul 15 09:24 |
| oiaohm | I can keep on pulling books older if you need the MinceR | Jul 15 09:25 |
| MinceR | i've never seen wtmp treated like an actual log (rotated, etc.) | Jul 15 09:25 |
| MinceR | and it's not to be confused with the contents of /var/log/ | Jul 15 09:25 |
| __martin__ | msb__: systemd-dd :_D | Jul 15 09:26 |
| oiaohm | http://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos12.1/topics/concept/security-binary-logging-understanding.html | Jul 15 09:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.juniper.net | Understanding Binary Format for Security Logs - Technical Documentation - Support - Juniper Networks [ http://ur1.ca/n4q42 ] | Jul 15 09:29 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that is a BSD with binary version of syslog | Jul 15 09:29 |
| MinceR | JunOS as "old unix" | Jul 15 09:29 |
| MinceR | this is just getting better | Jul 15 09:29 |
| oiaohm | That is new | Jul 15 09:29 |
| oiaohm | Redhat with binary logging has two problems. | Jul 15 09:29 |
| oiaohm | You have new bsd's with binary logging. | Jul 15 09:29 |
| oiaohm | And you have old ISO standard written for old Unix demarding it | Jul 15 09:30 |
| oiaohm | journald comes out of being kinda screwed between BSD and Unix | Jul 15 09:30 |
| MinceR | now we blame BSD and Unix for poettering's brain damage? | Jul 15 09:31 |
| MinceR | (or sievers') | Jul 15 09:31 |
| oiaohm | Unix and BSD is the reason for binary logging. | Jul 15 09:31 |
| oiaohm | The broken implementation of it is their fault. | Jul 15 09:31 |
| oiaohm | their being sievers and poettering | Jul 15 09:31 |
| oiaohm | Basically I have no problem with you being upset with journald not working correctly. But saying binary logging is from windows that wrong. Saying its anti Unix is also wrong due what is forcing it to be at least an optional feature on Linux. | Jul 15 09:33 |
| MinceR | funny, i thought the official excuse was that they wanted to store something about a managed service and couldn't think of any other solution than fucking up the logging | Jul 15 09:33 |
| MinceR | (exit status or something like that) | Jul 15 09:34 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy | Jul 15 09:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Unix philosophy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/n4q5j ] | Jul 15 09:34 | |
| oiaohm | The binary logging bit was on the table before the first line of systemd was written. MinceR | Jul 15 09:34 |
| MinceR | "Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface." | Jul 15 09:34 |
| MinceR | "Store data in flat text files." | Jul 15 09:34 |
| oiaohm | Please note the date that Store data in flat text files was written. | Jul 15 09:36 |
| oiaohm | 1994 | Jul 15 09:36 |
| oiaohm | When did binary logging in Unix start way before that MinceR | Jul 15 09:36 |
| MinceR | also, what's preventing a log daemon from maintaining a running checksum (hash) of all log lines so far, encrypting that with the private key used for signing, and appending that signature in base64 to the log after every line or every n lines? | Jul 15 09:37 |
| oiaohm | So that being believed as part of Unix Philosophy. | Jul 15 09:37 |
| oiaohm | The old rule is "Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface." journalctl obeys that. | Jul 15 09:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: how do you keep exact order of when every logging entry happened using a running checksum. Spread across many invidual log files it can become a big mess quickly. | Jul 15 09:39 |
| MinceR | i think hash algorithms already handle that | Jul 15 09:40 |
| MinceR | [mincer@darkstar:pts/12:/home/mincer]% echo "hello\nworld" |sha1sum | Jul 15 09:41 |
| MinceR | 58853e8a5e8272b1012f9a52a80758b27bd0d3cb - | Jul 15 09:41 |
| MinceR | [mincer@darkstar:pts/12:/home/mincer]% echo "world\nhello" |sha1sum | Jul 15 09:41 |
| MinceR | ec570b8af1b14c6d8e4cf17925c55b9e4c0c08df - | Jul 15 09:41 |
| MinceR | indeed they do | Jul 15 09:41 |
| oiaohm | What order did you do those 2 operations in can you tell from the hash MinceR | Jul 15 09:42 |
| oiaohm | There is advantage to gluing all the logs into 1 file. | Jul 15 09:42 |
| MinceR | i can | Jul 15 09:42 |
| MinceR | one of them matches the hash, the other results in a different hash | Jul 15 09:42 |
| MinceR | and no, there's no need to glue all the logs into 1 file, as long as you use a timestamp authority | Jul 15 09:42 |
| MinceR | (which you'll need, otherwise the attacker can just rebuild the logs after the fact) | Jul 15 09:43 |
| MinceR | i suppose if it's extremely important that the order of certain lines be preserved, you'd want to log them in the same file anyway. | Jul 15 09:43 |
| oiaohm | timestamp authority without cascading attacker can possiblely delete an entry. | Jul 15 09:43 |
| MinceR | missing entries would show in the hashes. | Jul 15 09:43 |
| oiaohm | finding missing entries is more complex with more files. | Jul 15 09:44 |
| oiaohm | So there are reasons behind the choice. | Jul 15 09:44 |
| MinceR | if the final hash calculated from a file doesn't match the decoded hash found in it, you know it was tampered with. | Jul 15 09:44 |
| MinceR | missing entries or whatever | Jul 15 09:44 |
| MinceR | a binary log is worse, as it would possibly become entirely unreadable to the utility reading it | Jul 15 09:45 |
| MinceR | systemd already acknowledges this issue and their "solution" is to start a new log | Jul 15 09:45 |
| oiaohm | Did you not notice journald support 1 shipping to a backup location 2 duplicating into syslog. | Jul 15 09:45 |
| MinceR | logging into a backup location was done well before systemd even existed. | Jul 15 09:46 |
| MinceR | syslog-ng could do it, for example. | Jul 15 09:46 |
| oiaohm | Exactly why did journald from the start include option to duplicate into syslog. | Jul 15 09:46 |
| oiaohm | Does not match you claim that it was out to destroy things. | Jul 15 09:47 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: if journald was being setup with it syslog mode on I guess you would have less of a issue with it. | Jul 15 09:48 |
| MinceR | if journald was a separate product and wasn't designed to hijack syslog, i would have less of an issue with it | Jul 15 09:48 |
| MinceR | just like if the cult wasn't trying all the tricks they found in the big microsoft book to try and force me to use systemd, i would have less of an issue with it. | Jul 15 09:49 |
| oiaohm | All the binary logging products high jack syslog MinceR | Jul 15 09:49 |
| MinceR | also note that the "duplicate" passes through journald and might be mangled by it | Jul 15 09:49 |
| MinceR | according to how poettering feels like | Jul 15 09:49 |
| MinceR | this is the opposite of how reliable logging can be done | Jul 15 09:50 |
| oiaohm | Like the JunOS | Jul 15 09:50 |
| MinceR | (for example, at one time they suddenly decided they'll strip random whitespace: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/98 ) | Jul 15 09:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | systemd-journald strips whitespace from messages forwarded to syslog socket · Issue #98 · systemd/systemd · GitHub [ http://ur1.ca/n4qb2 ] | Jul 15 09:50 | |
| oiaohm | Poettering and systemd guys basically copied how it has been done on other systems. | Jul 15 09:50 |
| oiaohm | with the binary logging badly. | Jul 15 09:50 |
| MinceR | yes, they copied design flaws they found in other systems | Jul 15 09:50 |
| MinceR | especially in windows nt | Jul 15 09:50 |
| oiaohm | Drop the NT they were not coping NT. | Jul 15 09:51 |
| MinceR | and they're trying to force those design flaws on everybody. | Jul 15 09:51 |
| MinceR | yes they were | Jul 15 09:51 |
| oiaohm | There are a stack of NT logging design flaws journald don't have | Jul 15 09:51 |
| MinceR | binary logging and the "throw it into the kernel" principle both exist in winblows nt. | Jul 15 09:51 |
| MinceR | yet. | Jul 15 09:51 |
| oiaohm | But journald logging faults match up to like jonOS and others from the BSD and Unix world. | Jul 15 09:51 |
| oiaohm | Including deleted spaces. | Jul 15 09:51 |
| oiaohm | Called space saving. | Jul 15 09:52 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 15 09:52 |
| MinceR | yeah, suddenly growing the log to 1.2TB is "space saving" | Jul 15 09:52 |
| oiaohm | NT logging is knowing for makign the text longer by adding garbage. | Jul 15 09:52 |
| MinceR | WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, and IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH | Jul 15 09:53 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: ie missing white space error showed what they were coping. | Jul 15 09:53 |
| MinceR | it's not like additional whitespaces can be compressed easily | Jul 15 09:53 |
| MinceR | that's why there are no .gz files in /var/log, right? | Jul 15 09:53 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I am not saying everything is sane. | Jul 15 09:54 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: but you have got an anti-microsoft bent and that is wrong with the journald logging. | Jul 15 09:54 |
| oiaohm | Unix and BSD world single file binary logging suxs in so many particular ways it not funny. | Jul 15 09:54 |
| MinceR | the excuses used in defense of the systemd/kdbus/etc are ludicrous. | Jul 15 09:54 |
| MinceR | s/etc/& mess/ | Jul 15 09:55 |
| oiaohm | And journald manaage to implement almost all of them. | Jul 15 09:55 |
| MinceR | i have an anti-insanity bent | Jul 15 09:55 |
| MinceR | and i have an anti-'idiots' takeover of the systems i run' bent | Jul 15 09:55 |
| MinceR | i also have an anti-lockin bent | Jul 15 09:56 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: mind you journld still misses one that HP UX had. Manformed Unicode A ie over lenth unicode for Cap A Deletes the 4 chars following it. | Jul 15 09:56 |
| MinceR | they may yet implement that | Jul 15 09:57 |
| oiaohm | Like it or not the fault list of journald says it replmentation of Unix and BSD single file binary logging. | Jul 15 09:58 |
| oiaohm | Sad part is it better than some that have existed MinceR | Jul 15 09:59 |
| oiaohm | I guess you are too young to have heard system admins saying that particular makes of Unix were worthless before you installed GNU on them. | Jul 15 10:00 |
| oiaohm | Some of that was on some of them to disable binary logging because it was broken MinceR | Jul 15 10:01 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Unix and BSD worlds have huge stacks of stuff that suxs. | Jul 15 10:02 |
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| cubexyz | if you look at the history of Unix one will see the huge influence of BSD | Jul 15 10:24 |
| cubexyz | BSD was so influential that Bell Labs modelled version 8 on BSD4.1c | Jul 15 10:25 |
| MinceR | so, what part of GNU does binary logging | Jul 15 10:25 |
| MinceR | ? | Jul 15 10:25 |
| cubexyz | I don't know... I can't recall seeing that | Jul 15 10:26 |
| cubexyz | /var/log is all text as far as I know | Jul 15 10:26 |
| MinceR | oh, oiaohm left | Jul 15 10:26 |
| cubexyz | on OpenBSD wtmp data is gzip compressed | Jul 15 10:27 |
| cubexyz | same with old messages | Jul 15 10:29 |
| cubexyz | I never thought Unix was worthless before GNU though | Jul 15 10:32 |
| cubexyz | the old Unix was hacker friendly, especially from 1975 to 1979 | Jul 15 10:32 |
| cubexyz | after that things get rather crappy for a while | Jul 15 10:33 |
| cubexyz | 1980 to 1992 <- the crappy era | Jul 15 10:34 |
| cubexyz | after 1992 things start to greatly improve with the 2.11BSD backport, and the first appearance of Linux distros like MCC Interim Linux and Yggdrasil | Jul 15 10:35 |
| cubexyz | I started to see Yggdrasil and FreeBSD CDs by 1994 from Walnut Creek | Jul 15 10:36 |
| cubexyz | in the crappy era you needed $$$ to run Unix on Sun3, or get an expensive license $1K from SCO and you still didn't get much source code | Jul 15 10:37 |
| cubexyz | folks were installing FreeBSD in 1993 | Jul 15 10:38 |
| cubexyz | <oiaohm> is really criticizing proprietary Unix | Jul 15 10:39 |
| cubexyz | people did complain about Stallman and Linux though back in the early 1990s | Jul 15 10:40 |
| cubexyz | mostly the complaints back then were "Stallman == Communist" and Linux doesn't support my hardware | Jul 15 10:40 |
| cubexyz | ditto for Minix, it wasn't easy to get running | Jul 15 10:41 |
| cubexyz | believe or not, the era we are currently in is a vast improvement over what we had in the 1980s | Jul 15 10:41 |
| cubexyz | running NCR Unix on a 68020 with Wyse terminals wasn't too fun | Jul 15 10:43 |
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| MinceR | indeed | Jul 15 19:13 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus Ditches Adobe Flash, Gets Boot Time Down | Jul 15 21:28 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines This Android-based mini-PC could cost less than | Jul 15 21:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gizmag.com | This Android-based mini-PC could cost less than a dinner for two | Jul 15 21:28 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines First open source school management software | Jul 15 21:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | developed in Haiti http://t.co/hRvFBUl1O8 | Jul 15 21:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | First open source school management software developed in Haiti | Tux Machines | Jul 15 21:28 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 10 things I want Firefox OS to do for me | Jul 15 21:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/QbggT5LOz2 (benjaminkerensa.com) | Jul 15 21:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-benjaminkerensa.com | 10 things I want Firefox OS to do for me – Benjamin Kerensa | Jul 15 21:38 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Getting into Linux Kernel Development | Jul 15 21:38 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Gets Full Shell Rotation with | Jul 15 21:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Latest Update and So Much More | Jul 15 21:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch Gets Full Shell Rotation with Latest Update and So Much More - Softpedia | Jul 15 21:45 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Getting into Linux Kernel Development | Jul 15 21:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Getting into Linux Kernel Development | Tux Machines | Jul 15 21:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Canonical and FSF: the Latest | Jul 15 21:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical and FSF: the Latest | Tux Machines | Jul 15 21:45 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: OSS | Tux Machines | Jul 15 22:05 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat News http://t.co/xWSKgtlRyt | Jul 15 22:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat News | Tux Machines | Jul 15 22:05 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 15/7/2015: Linux in Prison, Canonical | Jul 15 22:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 'IP' Dispute http://t.co/Ip8HZTs6B8 | Jul 15 22:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 15/7/2015: Linux in Prison, Canonical ‘IP’ Dispute | Techrights | Jul 15 22:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: KDE http://t.co/n9eXX73WzR | Jul 15 22:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: KDE | Tux Machines | Jul 15 22:28 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming and Software | Jul 15 22:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming and Software | Tux Machines | Jul 15 22:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/bE2Vo1QD5s | Jul 15 22:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Jul 15 22:28 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/MaQ7yocfp4 | Jul 16 05:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 16 05:37 | |
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| schestowitz | You wrote | Jul 16 06:34 |
| schestowitz | > Do you have any contacts with anyone who knows why the PDF and item were taken down. I chatted with Florian this morning and both of us would like to know what happened? Do you know of someone who would come forward given secure enough a channel? | Jul 16 06:34 |
| schestowitz | I will try, and (perhaps) report some days later. Regarding the "Innercircle" case, I have currently no information. | Jul 16 06:34 |
| schestowitz | My current knowledge about similar things (takedowns from the _public_ area of the SUEPO side) is: the decision what is flagged public and what not is taken mostly by admins, and these are not members of the (political) SUEPO core team. | Jul 16 06:34 |
| schestowitz | So in a few cases, an item was flagged "public" by a decision of a single person, which perhaps later get revised, resulting in a (look like a) takedown, or admin got cold feet (most likely) and flagged the item as non-public. | Jul 16 06:34 |
| schestowitz | In general: | Jul 16 06:34 |
| schestowitz | knowing the fact, that sometimes information is public for a certain time should be a hint to you to visit the public page regularly and to record what you can get - information may disappear now and then. | Jul 16 06:34 |
| schestowitz | Again: | Jul 16 06:34 |
| schestowitz | Regarding the "Innercircle" case, I have currently no information. | Jul 16 06:35 |
| schestowitz | http://suepo.org/public/news | Jul 16 06:35 |
| schestowitz | " FOSS Patents reports that EPO staff can no longer access the TechRights blog, which is written by a free and open source software activist from the UK, Dr. Roy Schestowitz. The matter was addressed by the Central Staff Committee (CSC) in a letter sent to the Director Internal Communication. " | Jul 16 06:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-suepo.org | SUEPO - News | Jul 16 06:35 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "Develop Checker Framework has been pushed to | Jul 16 06:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | the KDevPlatform repository." | Jul 16 06:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dfighter1985.wordpress.com | KDevelop Checker Framework – pushed | dfighter1985 | Jul 16 06:51 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @DzhumabaevaMega favourited '"Develop Checker Framework has been pushed to the...' | Jul 16 07:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A Grooveshark-Alternative Music Player For | Jul 16 07:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu Touch Is Under Development | Jul 16 07:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/P9cO9vx2WF (linuxg.net) | Jul 16 07:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net | A Grooveshark-Alternative Music Player For Ubuntu Touch Is Under Development | LinuxG.net | Jul 16 07:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines PiDrive A Low Power Raspberry Pi mSATA Solid | Jul 16 07:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | State Disk (SSD) http://t.co/WxjNlquT8A | Jul 16 07:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geeky-gadgets.com | PiDrive A Low Power Raspberry Pi mSATA Solid State Disk (SSD) | Jul 16 07:23 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/621643758451474432 | Jul 16 07:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz their stance on criticism is reminiscent of Apple's, albeit less strident. Apple folks do it with religious fervor | Jul 16 07:34 | |
| schestowitz | Canonical and Mozilla | Jul 16 07:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 Desktop Updates Bring Fixes for | Jul 16 07:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mir Backend http://t.co/9bx9t8AAKx | Jul 16 07:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu 15.10 Desktop Updates Bring Fixes for Mir Backend - Softpedia | Jul 16 07:36 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Lucius II Adventure Game Is Coming to Linux | Jul 16 07:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Lucius II Adventure Game Is Coming to Linux - Softpedia | Jul 16 07:37 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Team Fortress 2 Gets Fixes and Balancing | Jul 16 07:37 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines SteamOS 2.25 "Brewmaster" Based on Debian 8 | Jul 16 07:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Gets Linux Kernel Update and More | Jul 16 07:42 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | discounts http://t.co/D9XWo66Bp8 | Jul 16 07:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Crusader Kings II Gets a Huge 80% Price Cut on Steam for Linux - Softpedia | Jul 16 07:42 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A look at what's on the horizon for LibreOffice | Jul 16 07:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/ZV90ax7opX (opensource.com) "I | Jul 16 07:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | returned to using a Linux desktop" | Jul 16 07:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com | Interview with Italo Vignoli, The Document Foundation | Opensource.com | Jul 16 07:42 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Don't Expect Much from Intel Compute Stick with | Jul 16 07:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu, Windows Version Is Terrible | Jul 16 07:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Don't Expect Much from Intel Compute Stick with Ubuntu, Windows Version Is Terrible - Softpedia | Jul 16 07:42 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/shivergames/status/621647538433748992 | Jul 16 07:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@shivergames: Could be true.. https://t.co/nund6M82o8 | Jul 16 07:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Lucius II Adventure Game Is Coming to Linux http://t.co/BnZQV1hUbq #games #gnu #linux | Jul 16 07:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6349113 | Jul 16 08:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: The best Linux distributions for beginners http://www.pcworld.com/article/2947333/operating-systems/the-best-linux-distributions-for-beginners.html | Jul 16 08:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.pcworld.com | The best Linux distributions for beginners | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/n4v8h ] | Jul 16 08:04 | |
| schestowitz | "http://antergos.com/ (http://antergos.com/) :-P" | Jul 16 08:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-antergos.com | Antergos | Your Linux. Always Fresh. Never Frozen. | Jul 16 08:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Canonical Clarifies IP Policy, No One Else | Jul 16 08:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Happy http://t.co/oGmoFyLeDr (ostatic.com) | Jul 16 08:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/KNqk6aCLsn (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 16 08:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com | Canonical Clarifies IP Policy, No One Else Happy | Jul 16 08:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Canonical Updates Ubuntu Licensing Terms After Two-Year Discussions with FSF - Softpedia | Jul 16 08:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Don't Expect Much from Intel Compute Stick with | Jul 16 08:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu, Windows Version Is Terrible | Jul 16 08:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/HpTQYZf6dC (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 16 08:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Don't Expect Much from Intel Compute Stick with Ubuntu, Windows Version Is Terrible | Tux Machines | Jul 16 08:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 Desktop Updates Bring Fixes for | Jul 16 08:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mir Backend http://t.co/OChMOJ74vq | Jul 16 08:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 16 08:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 15.10 Desktop Updates Bring Fixes for Mir Backend | Tux Machines | Jul 16 08:07 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kaatje36/status/621656816787849216 | Jul 16 08:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kaatje36: @schestowitz lololol! | Jul 16 08:27 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/621661413539512320 https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/621661873755303936 | Jul 16 08:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz Bug bounties work best when we respond by fixing the development workflow of our software stack that lead to the bug. | Jul 16 08:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz It'd be nice to find a bank that didn't run Windows, or that understood proper password and 2FA handling. | Jul 16 08:48 | |
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| msb__ | distrowatch poll on systemd: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150713#poll | Jul 16 09:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. [ http://ur1.ca/n4z10 ] | Jul 16 09:23 | |
| msb__ | The poll seems closed to me, but maybe that's because I already voted and it installed a cookie. | Jul 16 09:24 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Tell all your friends! http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150713#poll | Jul 16 09:25 |
| MinceR | the people i know who care already knew about it | Jul 16 09:26 |
| oiaohm | The split is what I expected. | Jul 16 09:41 |
| oiaohm | Like it or not a percentage like systemd | Jul 16 09:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A look at what's on the horizon for LibreOffice | Jul 16 09:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Lps3mYo8Hv (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 16 09:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A look at what's on the horizon for LibreOffice | Tux Machines | Jul 16 09:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Canonical Clarifies IP Policy, No One Else | Jul 16 09:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Happy http://t.co/ARlm70xxhC | Jul 16 09:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 16 09:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical Clarifies IP Policy, No One Else Happy | Tux Machines | Jul 16 09:49 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open source router project administers Lithium | Jul 16 09:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open source router project administers Lithium | Tux Machines | Jul 16 09:49 | |
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| cubexyz | you should be able to use the init system you want | Jul 16 10:42 |
| cubexyz | it should be interchangeable, just like the shell: bash, csh, ksh, etc | Jul 16 10:42 |
| cubexyz | 43% avoid systemd and 11% who are using it dislike it, so the majority actually doesn't like it | Jul 16 10:44 |
| cubexyz | and you got 10% of fence sitters | Jul 16 10:44 |
| cubexyz | well, one good thing about all this is that people are going to become more knowledgeable about init systems | Jul 16 10:46 |
| oiaohm | Really the fact people have been ingorning the init systems defects has been a major problem. | Jul 16 10:57 |
| oiaohm | So if systemd ends up replaced but it causes people to serousally look at the problem its been a good thing. | Jul 16 10:57 |
| cubexyz | sure | Jul 16 10:58 |
| oiaohm | Compared to some of the older servyes more uses are willing to use it now. | Jul 16 10:58 |
| oiaohm | Question is how many in the avoid systemd are just hate it because its new. | Jul 16 10:59 |
| oiaohm | On my segmented partition system systemd now at long last boots without tweaking. | Jul 16 11:00 |
| msb__ | And how many in the like/tolerate groups will end up hating it when they find out how and how much it's damaging Linux. | Jul 16 11:01 |
| oiaohm | msb__: you have to remember I hate systemd more when it first came out and it was single partition or nothing. | Jul 16 11:02 |
| cubexyz | in antix: apt-get remove systemd | Jul 16 11:03 |
| oiaohm | Now it handles / /usr /var ..... all broken into independant partitions. | Jul 16 11:03 |
| oiaohm | Worse a evil hack forwarding a section of /var to /home | Jul 16 11:03 |
| cubexyz | so the init system actually was easily changed in that case | Jul 16 11:03 |
| oiaohm | Yes I design the test bed system as a breaker | Jul 16 11:03 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: you're only one person. People are gradually finding out how systemd violates imporant engineering principles. | Jul 16 11:03 |
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| cubexyz | intel boot guard may be a bigger problem | Jul 16 11:04 |
| msb__ | Both are major attempts to sabotage free software. | Jul 16 11:04 |
| msb__ | Also kde4/5. | Jul 16 11:05 |
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| oiaohm | msb__: You have to remember sysvinit also broke important engineering principles. | Jul 16 11:05 |
| oiaohm | Never design something you cannot stop. | Jul 16 11:05 |
| msb__ | The murders for profit and power of millions of people should convince us that there is real, powerful, _evil_ going on in the world. | Jul 16 11:06 |
| oiaohm | msb__: so yes systemd might break things but existing inits were already breaking a lot. | Jul 16 11:06 |
| oiaohm | I still remember early on when systemd developers said they would not support segmented systems at all. | Jul 16 11:07 |
| oiaohm | So what systemd is has evolved. | Jul 16 11:07 |
| msb__ | Most people have never had a problem with sysvinit. But systemd already violates the principles of human-readable datafiles, avoidance of interdependence, avoidance of mission creep, etc.-- from the beginning! | Jul 16 11:09 |
| cubexyz | I've seen quasijarus with good uptime | Jul 16 11:09 |
| cubexyz | so microvax with sysvinit, over 200 days | Jul 16 11:09 |
| cubexyz | and I'm sure others have run it longer than that | Jul 16 11:09 |
| msb__ | The only times my system goes down is when firefox depletes some X resource, or a power failure. | Jul 16 11:11 |
| cubexyz | I've seen X run for over a year | Jul 16 11:11 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: what about the ones that did not get good uptimes. | Jul 16 11:11 |
| oiaohm | Its very easy to have rose colored glasses with this problem. | Jul 16 11:12 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, sure hardware problems are always possible | Jul 16 11:12 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: No I mean software problems. | Jul 16 11:12 |
| msb__ | I think firefox has stopped doing it (it never crashed the kernel, only X and the DE). So now it's only powerfailures, which are about 5 months apart. | Jul 16 11:12 |
| oiaohm | Where services have crashed and sysvinit fails restarting them. | Jul 16 11:12 |
| oiaohm | Like important services like the ssh for remote access to control it. | Jul 16 11:12 |
| cubexyz | i'm sshing to fc1 right now | Jul 16 11:13 |
| cubexyz | currently at 250 days | Jul 16 11:13 |
| cubexyz | fc1 has..... sysvinit :) | Jul 16 11:13 |
| oiaohm | If ssh server gets hit and goes down. | Jul 16 11:13 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit will be unable to restarted it some cases. | Jul 16 11:13 |
| cubexyz | I've been logged in 24/7 for over 8 months | Jul 16 11:14 |
| cubexyz | plus you can imagine how long I've ran fc1 | Jul 16 11:14 |
| oiaohm | Has your computer been exposed to internet with hostile attacks. | Jul 16 11:14 |
| cubexyz | yes | Jul 16 11:14 |
| cubexyz | since 2004 | Jul 16 11:14 |
| cubexyz | that's a pretty good field test :) | Jul 16 11:14 |
| oiaohm | Were you lucking to avoid all the ssh bugs that crashed servers since then so locking you out. | Jul 16 11:15 |
| oiaohm | services | Jul 16 11:15 |
| oiaohm | This is the problem sysvinit and hacks to keep services up and runnign have not been working correctly. | Jul 16 11:15 |
| oiaohm | openrc should have been done years ago. | Jul 16 11:16 |
| oiaohm | Do be correct decades ago. | Jul 16 11:16 |
| oiaohm | Do/To | Jul 16 11:16 |
| oiaohm | Claiming it works for me there is no problem does not really cut it. | Jul 16 11:16 |
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| msb__ | I would rather have the computer crash once or twice a year and have to reboot it, than have the entire OS and many of the apps contaminated and churned by something as ugly and evil as systemd. | Jul 16 11:17 |
| oiaohm | msb__: have you looked at openrc | Jul 16 11:18 |
| msb__ | don't need to | Jul 16 11:18 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, the failures I have experienced in the last 10 years were all logged and mostly due to hardware failing | Jul 16 11:18 |
| cubexyz | wart wall failure on router was one | Jul 16 11:18 |
| cubexyz | wart wall failure on DSL modem | Jul 16 11:19 |
| cubexyz | the DSL service itself failed due to DSLAM problem | Jul 16 11:19 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: N + 1 server setups done correctly the most common nasty failure is not hardware but management software being bricked. | Jul 16 11:19 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: do you mean "wall wart" or do you have an entire wall full of warts? | Jul 16 11:20 |
| cubexyz | haha, oops | Jul 16 11:20 |
| cubexyz | wall wart :) | Jul 16 11:20 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, I think if X was to fail and I was using konsole + ssh that ssh would also fail | Jul 16 11:21 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: hosted servers are not running X in most cases. | Jul 16 11:21 |
| cubexyz | but sshd failing on the server? I haven't seen that | Jul 16 11:22 |
| oiaohm | I have so these days I have more than 1 way in. | Jul 16 11:22 |
| msb__ | BTW, X was being crashed by Firefox because I have about 500 tabs open in it. | Jul 16 11:22 |
| oiaohm | msb__: I have a very simple issue with sysvinit. Completely how does sysvinit tell if a service is still running. | Jul 16 11:23 |
| oiaohm | Yes it created a PID file. | Jul 16 11:23 |
| oiaohm | One problem PID numbers in modern Linux systems get recycled. | Jul 16 11:23 |
| msb__ | But I think since the last update or two FF only loads tabs that are visible, so it's a lot more stable. | Jul 16 11:24 |
| oiaohm | Very old unix they were unique once used numbers. | Jul 16 11:24 |
| oiaohm | msb__: simple reality sysvinit is not Linux kernel compadible. | Jul 16 11:25 |
| oiaohm | openrc is atleast Linux kernel compadible. | Jul 16 11:25 |
| cubexyz | there's /var/run/sshd.pid and /var/lock/subsys/sshd | Jul 16 11:25 |
| cubexyz | at least on fc1 | Jul 16 11:25 |
| oiaohm | /var/lock/subsys/sshd may stay in place even if the service is dead. | Jul 16 11:25 |
| cubexyz | if sshd dies then the sysadmin should fix it | Jul 16 11:26 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: what if sshd is the sysadmin way in. | Jul 16 11:26 |
| cubexyz | ok, then time to take a trip :) | Jul 16 11:26 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Jul 16 11:27 |
| oiaohm | If you can put proper monitoring and proper restart ablity on sshd then sysadmin would not need to travel right cubexyz | Jul 16 11:27 |
| cubexyz | or as we talked about before, use another method to get in | Jul 16 11:27 |
| oiaohm | again each of those methods need to be validated. | Jul 16 11:27 |
| oiaohm | And need to be as strong as possible. | Jul 16 11:28 |
| msb__ | Poor sysadmin has to get out sometimes or he'll get stuck to his chair. | Jul 16 11:28 |
| oiaohm | msb__: Poor sysadmin do get out these days and do maintaince from a android device while away on holidays. | Jul 16 11:29 |
| cubexyz | if there's some major failure someone has to go to the server to check it anyway | Jul 16 11:29 |
| cubexyz | e.g. if the hard drive fails | Jul 16 11:29 |
| cubexyz | that's just maintainance | Jul 16 11:29 |
| cubexyz | nothing is 100% | Jul 16 11:29 |
| oiaohm | N+1 setups quite a few harddrives can fail before staff has to go to site to address it. | Jul 16 11:29 |
| oiaohm | N+1 hardware failure is not hey we need you their in the next 5 min to restore services. | Jul 16 11:30 |
| msb__ | My machine is strictly single user, so maybe these extremely low-probability daemon failures would happen more on other machines. | Jul 16 11:30 |
| oiaohm | msb__: the more machines you are running the more likely one of these deamon failures will happpen to you. | Jul 16 11:31 |
| msb__ | But there are plenty of huge Linux servers using sysvinit, so maybe not. | Jul 16 11:31 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly msb__ | Jul 16 11:31 |
| oiaohm | Google and facebook use something closer to openrc | Jul 16 11:31 |
| msb__ | What about google and imdb? | Jul 16 11:31 |
| msb__ | And amazon. | Jul 16 11:31 |
| oiaohm | amazon is also containers around services. | Jul 16 11:32 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/icewm-with-konsole.png | Jul 16 11:32 |
| cubexyz | see those coloured tabs at the bottom? | Jul 16 11:32 |
| oiaohm | Just each of these have been hacking on contianer wrapping desing individuallly msb__ | Jul 16 11:32 |
| cubexyz | all different computers, logged in via ssh | Jul 16 11:32 |
| cubexyz | so I'm always using ssh and sshd | Jul 16 11:32 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: tell me when that gets to 8 deep | Jul 16 11:33 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: that is in fact how many my computer can be connected to at one time. | Jul 16 11:33 |
| oiaohm | Full across and requiring 8 windows. | Jul 16 11:34 |
| cubexyz | ok, but you're probably using more than one server? | Jul 16 11:34 |
| cubexyz | more than one sshd server | Jul 16 11:34 |
| oiaohm | Manging a processing cluster | Jul 16 11:35 |
| oiaohm | If you count it by cases on floor its 1 server. | Jul 16 11:35 |
| oiaohm | But its like 8000 individual machines inside. | Jul 16 11:35 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: so can you change "sysvinit" into just a link to openrc and have the thing work? | Jul 16 11:36 |
| msb__ | Or just change the executable if links aren't working that early? | Jul 16 11:37 |
| oiaohm | openrc wraps cgroups around services so yes now you can restart services dependably when they decide to fail 10 to 15 min functionality tests. | Jul 16 11:37 |
| oiaohm | msb__: basically openrc or systemd will solve my worst problem. | Jul 16 11:38 |
| oiaohm | Of services not restarting. | Jul 16 11:38 |
| msb__ | Not what I asked. Is openrc a 100% dropin replacement for sysvinit? | Jul 16 11:38 |
| oiaohm | There are some minor differences at times. | Jul 16 11:38 |
| oiaohm | due to services being container wrapped. | Jul 16 11:38 |
| cubexyz | what does Minix use these days? | Jul 16 11:39 |
| cubexyz | ha, probably no one is using it | Jul 16 11:39 |
| oiaohm | msb__: openrc is very close to sysvinit. Basically it as close as you can get to sysvinit under Linux and have proper process tracking so you can restart services. | Jul 16 11:40 |
| msb__ | This is all a matter of probabilities. Somebody could say to me, "Your house is not compatible with human life because it could get hit by a meteor. You need to live in a concrete bunker with walls 3 feet thick." | Jul 16 11:42 |
| oiaohm | If you want a house example. sysvinit is a house without a fusebox | Jul 16 11:43 |
| oiaohm | and the people inside are using electricity. | Jul 16 11:43 |
| msb__ | I am talking quantitatively about probabilities. | Jul 16 11:44 |
| oiaohm | msb__: people around the world live in houses with electricity without a fusebox and live remember. | Jul 16 11:44 |
| oiaohm | So its not a 100 percent death risk. | Jul 16 11:44 |
| cubexyz | I suppose if sshd got overloaded somehow it would have to be restarted | Jul 16 11:45 |
| msb__ | I guess the chance of a daemon croaking is greater than the chance of a meteor hit, but I have tripped a breaker several times in the last 15 years (by accidently running the air conditioner and the microwave at the same time). | Jul 16 11:45 |
| oiaohm | msb__: think if you did not have a breaker. | Jul 16 11:46 |
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| oiaohm | You could be one of those unlucky ones in countries without proper electrical that end up dead msb__ | Jul 16 11:46 |
| cubexyz | couldn't you have a monitor program watching sshd? | Jul 16 11:46 |
| msb__ | But my Linux has only failed from hardware/powerloss, very old kmail, firefox. | Jul 16 11:46 |
| cubexyz | then if sshd truly failed, the sshd monitor could re-activate it | Jul 16 11:47 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: monitor program would have to start before sshd to be able track it processes to be able kill it all. | Jul 16 11:47 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: then you have the problem what happens if the monitor program croaks it. | Jul 16 11:47 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: ie why placing in a cgroup is such a good idea. | Jul 16 11:47 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, then the sysadmin has to fix it :) | Jul 16 11:47 |
| cubexyz | you can't say systemd is going to make sshd always work | Jul 16 11:48 |
| oiaohm | Under systemd if you put a test program in timer/cron jobs it can restart. | Jul 16 11:48 |
| msb__ | I don't even want the added complication of cgroups on my system to fix a problem I haven't had in FIFTEEN YEARS. | Jul 16 11:49 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit big problem is the failure to be able to 100 percent of the time restart services. | Jul 16 11:49 |
| oiaohm | msb__: same arguement as what happens in countries without fuse boxes. | Jul 16 11:49 |
| oiaohm | msb__: some of those say 60 years but it the same arguement. | Jul 16 11:50 |
| msb__ | No, then your house can burn down. I only have to reboot my computer. | Jul 16 11:50 |
| oiaohm | msb__: exactly what is the computer controlling. | Jul 16 11:50 |
| cubexyz | ok, how about this idea... | Jul 16 11:50 |
| cubexyz | you have two servers, beside each other | Jul 16 11:51 |
| msb__ | So quantitatively and statistically by expectation, it is NOT the same argument. | Jul 16 11:51 |
| oiaohm | msb__: the stats of failure is about the same. | Jul 16 11:51 |
| cubexyz | one server is connected to the other by parallel port, serial port, usb port whatever | Jul 16 11:51 |
| cubexyz | then you can sshd into the 2nd server and use the serial terminal to fix the first server | Jul 16 11:51 |
| oiaohm | msb__: the death rate from not having a fuse box compared to having a fuse box is a 1 in 2 million difference. | Jul 16 11:51 |
| cubexyz | so multiple ways to get in | Jul 16 11:51 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: Wrong. The death rate from having to reboot my computer is ZERO. | Jul 16 11:52 |
| oiaohm | msb__: not everyone using electricity will be taking any risks with it. | Jul 16 11:52 |
| oiaohm | So there death rate risk might also be zero. | Jul 16 11:52 |
| oiaohm | this is why your arguement does not really hold ground. | Jul 16 11:53 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: Yes I have uses serial port control solutions in the past to get around some of these problems. But agian that is depending on the sgetty to be up correctly. | Jul 16 11:54 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: this is classic murphy if you are not checking it the bugger will fail on you sometimes in combination. | Jul 16 11:54 |
| msb__ | My argument is that I have never had a daemon failure in 15 years of 24/7 computer operation. So I have no need to complicate my system to prevent it. | Jul 16 11:54 |
| oiaohm | msb__: that is the same arguement as those who have used electrictity for 60 + years without issue without a fuse box. | Jul 16 11:55 |
| msb__ | No, then your house can burn down. I only have to reboot my computer. | Jul 16 11:55 |
| oiaohm | msb__: there are other options to using cgroups to copy what BSD does for example but that requires a kernel mode. | Jul 16 11:55 |
| oiaohm | kernel mode alteration. | Jul 16 11:56 |
| oiaohm | msb__: exactly how do you think not having a fuse box can allow you house to burn down. | Jul 16 11:56 |
| oiaohm | msb__: ever heard of fusable links. | Jul 16 11:56 |
| oiaohm | Called using small enough wire that it fails safely first. | Jul 16 11:57 |
| msb__ | My argument is that I have never had a daemon failure in 15 years of 24/7 computer operation. So I have no need to complicate my system to prevent it. | Jul 16 11:57 |
| oiaohm | Of course that does not mean people without a manated fuse box will do that stuff correctly. | Jul 16 11:58 |
| msb__ | Fuses have nothing to do with it. | Jul 16 11:58 |
| oiaohm | msb__: are you the only use of the Linux Distrobution. The answer is no. | Jul 16 11:58 |
| oiaohm | In most cases. | Jul 16 11:58 |
| msb__ | What? | Jul 16 11:58 |
| oiaohm | A Linux Distrobution has to service a comunity this means considering all the usage cases of the comunity. | Jul 16 11:59 |
| oiaohm | Same way houses have fuse boxes. | Jul 16 11:59 |
| oiaohm | So somethings have to be done for the greater good even if not everyone in the comunity truly requires it. | Jul 16 12:00 |
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| oiaohm | msb__: basically sysvinit is good enough is not going to cut it with any distrobution and never can. | Jul 16 12:01 |
| msb__ | For decades it already has. | Jul 16 12:01 |
| oiaohm | Really no it has not. Broken crap like restartd to assist sysvinit would have never been coded if it worked. | Jul 16 12:02 |
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| oiaohm | There is a long list of hacks to attempt to make sysvinit work msb__ that have all failed to achive it. | Jul 16 12:03 |
| oiaohm | msb__: http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html is a classic. | Jul 16 12:03 |
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| oiaohm | Lets run all our services under deamontools lets avoid using sysvinit script because they don't work basically. | Jul 16 12:04 |
| oiaohm | So now you have a system running sysvinit and deamontools. Great so what one started the service that is now not working. | Jul 16 12:04 |
| oiaohm | I don't think I am asking for too much to have a init system that can start and track services so I don't have to stick third party crap on top of it all the time. | Jul 16 12:06 |
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| msb__ | oiaohm: You are confusing "does not work" with "works fine for fifteen years" | Jul 16 12:07 |
| oiaohm | msb__: No I am not | Jul 16 12:07 |
| msb__ | You can ask for and have whatever you want. What I want is simplicity. | Jul 16 12:07 |
| oiaohm | In the last 15 years of my usage it has broken on me. | Jul 16 12:07 |
| oiaohm | And I am not alone. | Jul 16 12:07 |
| msb__ | Then get something different from what I want. | Jul 16 12:08 |
| oiaohm | Also people miss place blame as well. | Jul 16 12:08 |
| oiaohm | Have you had network-manager issues. | Jul 16 12:08 |
| msb__ | No. | Jul 16 12:08 |
| oiaohm | I guess you have been lucky enough not to have cups lost with a print job. | Jul 16 12:09 |
| oiaohm | There are so many ways services in background can go south and ruin you day. | Jul 16 12:10 |
| oiaohm | Poor tracking makes it hard to see. | Jul 16 12:10 |
| msb__ | If losing a print job would ruin my day then I would have mental problems. | Jul 16 12:11 |
| oiaohm | No that is not losing a print job. | Jul 16 12:11 |
| oiaohm | That is running out of tmp space because it gone into a processing loop. | Jul 16 12:11 |
| oiaohm | So by your response you have not had that one yet. | Jul 16 12:13 |
| msb__ | So, I'll look at my system or disk monitor program, figure out what ate all the temp space, kill it and delete the temp files. | Jul 16 12:13 |
| oiaohm | msb__: not exactly that great when it printer script saying python | Jul 16 12:15 |
| msb__ | If I can't do that, I'll reboot, and if it won't reboot I'll use a rescue disk. | Jul 16 12:15 |
| oiaohm | No reboot in this case fails. | Jul 16 12:15 |
| oiaohm | while cups has the print job it will attempt to process it. | Jul 16 12:15 |
| oiaohm | So reboot you will die again. | Jul 16 12:15 |
| msb__ | So I will kill cups. Thank goodness I don't have an init program that will restart it! | Jul 16 12:16 |
| oiaohm | msb__: how will you know it cups. | Jul 16 12:17 |
| oiaohm | Nothing about the process name creating the mess has to say cups. | Jul 16 12:17 |
| msb__ | look at names of latest tmp files | Jul 16 12:17 |
| msb__ | See who they belong to. | Jul 16 12:18 |
| oiaohm | This is the problem without tracking debugging the random pricks is hard. | Jul 16 12:18 |
| msb__ | How is my hard prick involved here? | Jul 16 12:18 |
| oiaohm | No that is guessing. | Jul 16 12:19 |
| oiaohm | There is nothing to say cups it self will have created a temp file. | Jul 16 12:19 |
| oiaohm | Yes starting the program creating the temp file to process the file for printing. | Jul 16 12:20 |
| oiaohm | But not in fact having to do anything itself. | Jul 16 12:20 |
| oiaohm | This is why you need tracking. | Jul 16 12:20 |
| oiaohm | Of course the pain could be coming from mysql, postesql.... and the list goes on. | Jul 16 12:20 |
| oiaohm | As these provide means to reach out and run custom applications. | Jul 16 12:21 |
| msb__ | I'm an engineer. I like troubleshooting. | Jul 16 12:21 |
| oiaohm | Problem is rebooting in every case that is a event happening is that you have not fixed the event from happening again. | Jul 16 12:22 |
| msb__ | I would just kill the latest huge file in /tmp. | Jul 16 12:22 |
| msb__ | Yeah, but it would take long enoug to fill up GBs of disk that I could see who was doing it. | Jul 16 12:23 |
| msb__ | "top" would show who is using cpu | Jul 16 12:24 |
| oiaohm | You are missing it. | Jul 16 12:24 |
| oiaohm | Finding who is doing it is not the problem. | Jul 16 12:24 |
| oiaohm | It finding who gave the order todo it is the problem. | Jul 16 12:25 |
| msb__ | Sure it is. Then I can kill it. Make it unexecutable if I have to. | Jul 16 12:25 |
| oiaohm | Until you get the one that gave the order todo it the problem will keep on happening. | Jul 16 12:25 |
| msb__ | Yesterday I figured out why procmail was rejecting some valid list mail. It was subtle. | Jul 16 12:26 |
| msb__ | Not if the one eating the space is unexecutable. | Jul 16 12:26 |
| oiaohm | But you knew you were looking a procmail right. | Jul 16 12:26 |
| oiaohm | msb__: you missed I said the process was reporting as like python or bash. | Jul 16 12:27 |
| oiaohm | So something generic that if you set it unexecutable you have broken a hell load. | Jul 16 12:27 |
| msb__ | Python I can do without for a while. Bash, I'd have to be clever. | Jul 16 12:28 |
| oiaohm | Of course the worst part about Linux process table is the reported command line can be a complete lie | Jul 16 12:28 |
| oiaohm | Its not that I don't have enginering background to fall back on msb__ | Jul 16 12:29 |
| msb__ | I have 133 bashes running. So I could see which one is using the most cycles and look at its PPID. | Jul 16 12:30 |
| oiaohm | msb__: I would prefer not to have to be clever and do like I do under bsd look at the tty that a service cannot change that has been assigned and locate it or look at the cgroup and locate it. | Jul 16 12:30 |
| oiaohm | PPID in Linux process table can be broken loss. | Jul 16 12:30 |
| msb__ | I am nearly 70 years old and have been three kinds of engineer. I _like_ being clever. Even having to be clever. | Jul 16 12:31 |
| oiaohm | So looking at the PPID does not have to lead you back to parrent. | Jul 16 12:31 |
| msb__ | It's gonna lead somewhere. | Jul 16 12:31 |
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| msb__ | lsof can be helpful too. | Jul 16 12:31 |
| oiaohm | Managing servers lots of you should learn attempting to be too clever is ways to get it burt. KISS idea comes first. | Jul 16 12:34 |
| oiaohm | msb__: ps -o cgroup <pid> and under openrc and systemd this tells you straight way what service/user started it. | Jul 16 12:35 |
| oiaohm | msb__: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/programming-9/how-to-make-ppid-of-a-process-as-init-without-killing-its-parent-267301/ | Jul 16 12:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxquestions.org | how to make ppid of a process as init without killing its parent [ http://ur1.ca/n50cp ] | Jul 16 12:38 | |
| oiaohm | Yes msb__ does not take much of a screw up to end up with your problem script reporting a PPID of 1 not what in fact started everything. | Jul 16 12:39 |
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| MinceR | afaik the "find out whether the service has started successfully" problem is not as solved as redcrap would have you believe | Jul 16 12:45 |
| MinceR | (neither is automatically restarting a failed service always a good idea) | Jul 16 12:45 |
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| msb__ | The chance of the govt murdering me because of my website (cosmicpenguin.com) is probably greater than the chance of my having these service problems, but if I do I'll remember your advice. | Jul 16 12:47 |
| msb__ | Oops, oiaohm has buggered off. | Jul 16 12:47 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 16 12:47 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Damn right. If I kill something I want it to stay dead until and unless I manually restart it. | Jul 16 12:49 |
| MinceR | "you keep what you kill." | Jul 16 12:49 |
| MinceR | more importantly, having a service die and restart may well be a component of an exploit | Jul 16 12:49 |
| MinceR | generally, if a service does not run reliably, the preferred solution is to fix it, not keep restarting it | Jul 16 12:50 |
| msb__ | True and true. | Jul 16 12:50 |
| MinceR | there are only a few services (like *getty) that normally need restarting | Jul 16 12:50 |
| cubexyz | /sbin/init q | Jul 16 12:51 |
| MinceR | "just restart it" does fit well into the redhat/microsoft mindset, though | Jul 16 12:51 |
| MinceR | "just reboot", "just reinstall" | Jul 16 12:51 |
| cubexyz | I still run pre-sshd systems | Jul 16 12:51 |
| cubexyz | resource exhaustion is a bigger problem then sshd not restarting | Jul 16 12:52 |
| cubexyz | you need a sentient being watching stuff | Jul 16 12:52 |
| schestowitz | [17:47] <msb__> Oops, oiaohm has buggered off. | Jul 16 12:53 |
| schestowitz | he often does so without prior warning | Jul 16 12:53 |
| schestowitz | his style | Jul 16 12:53 |
| cubexyz | that's OK :) | Jul 16 12:53 |
| MinceR | i can sort of understand it | Jul 16 12:53 |
| msb__ | Where is he located? | Jul 16 12:53 |
| schestowitz | About half the IRC logs of #techrights are (these days) about systemd - like it or hate it, systemd is without doubt controversial | Jul 16 12:53 |
| MinceR | when you've gotta go, you've gotta go :) | Jul 16 12:53 |
| cubexyz | australia I think | Jul 16 12:53 |
| MinceR | i think so too | Jul 16 12:53 |
| schestowitz | I think it's an important fork in the road | Jul 16 12:53 |
| schestowitz | Debian surrendered already | Jul 16 12:53 |
| MinceR | i hope it results in cleaning up gnu/linux | Jul 16 12:53 |
| cubexyz | no one thinks like I do, so I understand | Jul 16 12:53 |
| cubexyz | different folks have different opinions | Jul 16 12:54 |
| MinceR | having the windows fanboys move to systemd/systemd-kernel | Jul 16 12:54 |
| schestowitz | I don't know it well enough to decide | Jul 16 12:54 |
| MinceR | and removing the poetteringware from gnu/linux | Jul 16 12:54 |
| schestowitz | I have it running on one of my systems | Jul 16 12:54 |
| schestowitz | and it's a friggin' snail | Jul 16 12:54 |
| schestowitz | not sure if relates to systemd | Jul 16 12:54 |
| cubexyz | to me Linux is just part of a continuum of operating systems | Jul 16 12:54 |
| schestowitz | more of a plasma5 issue, I choose to believe... | Jul 16 12:54 |
| schestowitz | I kill and restart plasma and kwin like 5 times a day | Jul 16 12:54 |
| cubexyz | ok, that sounds bad | Jul 16 12:55 |
| msb__ | Devuan seems to be going strong, and since that poll says about 50% of Linux users don't like or want systemd, I think we're gonna be ok. | Jul 16 12:55 |
| cubexyz | Linux is developer driven | Jul 16 12:55 |
| cubexyz | mostly | Jul 16 12:56 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: If a server fails, you normally want it to autorestart. | Jul 16 12:56 |
| XRevan86 | Restarting in systemd is configurable per-service. | Jul 16 12:56 |
| cubexyz | I thought my idea of a serial login was good | Jul 16 12:57 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Did you see the systemd poll? http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150713#poll | Jul 16 12:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. [ http://ur1.ca/n4z10 ] | Jul 16 12:57 | |
| MinceR | XRevan86: i think the default (at least in their mind) is to restart all the things | Jul 16 12:57 |
| cubexyz | coreboot logs stuff via the serial port on startup, before the OS even loads | Jul 16 12:57 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if that's necessarily a good idea | Jul 16 12:57 |
| MinceR | especially without limit | Jul 16 12:57 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's not. | Jul 16 12:57 |
| MinceR | i wonder if they implement a configurable counter and limit (and time limit) | Jul 16 12:58 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: They did. | Jul 16 12:58 |
| cubexyz | restart 100 times then give up :) | Jul 16 12:58 |
| MinceR | that's good, then | Jul 16 12:58 |
| msb__ | Except if it _is_ and exploit, you've run it 100 times. | Jul 16 12:59 |
| msb__ | and -> an | Jul 16 12:59 |
| MinceR | and of course it would be probably preferable to implement the restart functionality separately | Jul 16 12:59 |
| MinceR | or at least outside pid1 | Jul 16 12:59 |
| cubexyz | Minix is supposedly highly fault-tolerant | Jul 16 13:01 |
| cubexyz | 6000 lines of kernel code... much smaller than FreeBSD or Linux | Jul 16 13:02 |
| cubexyz | it has a "reincarnation server" that restarts crashes drivers | Jul 16 13:03 |
| cubexyz | if a driver goes into an infinite loop the kernel will stop it | Jul 16 13:03 |
| msb__ | OT: Just want to mention again the new TV series "Zoo" about animals getting suddenly more intelligent and attacking humans, in order to stop us from wrecking the planet. 3 episodes so far. | Jul 16 13:07 |
| MinceR | iirc minix1 is not multiserver and/or has drivers in the kernel | Jul 16 13:11 |
| MinceR | and minix3 might be bigger than that | Jul 16 13:11 |
| cubexyz | 6,000 lines in Minix3 | Jul 16 13:12 |
| MinceR | ic | Jul 16 13:12 |
| cubexyz | most server folks I've talked to are running Linux or FreeBSD | Jul 16 13:14 |
| cubexyz | some are using OpenBSD | Jul 16 13:15 |
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| cubexyz | I remember once that openbsd did something odd with sshd | Jul 16 13:59 |
| cubexyz | it locked up, no access via keyboard or ssh | Jul 16 13:59 |
| cubexyz | only pings worked | Jul 16 13:59 |
| cubexyz | I might still have that log where I talked about exactly what happend with an expert | Jul 16 14:01 |
| cubexyz | I've logged years of coreboot discussions | Jul 16 14:03 |
| cubexyz | it's probably in there somewhere | Jul 16 14:03 |
| MinceR | http://www.pcworld.com/article/2948092/security/hacking-teams-malware-uses-uefi-rootkit-to-survive-os-reinstalls.html | Jul 16 14:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com | Hacking Team's malware uses a UEFI rootkit to survive operating system reinstalls | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/n515n ] | Jul 16 14:06 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Unexpected end of ZLIB input stream ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Jul 16 14:07 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: You know this will be a pro-SecureBoot argument, right? | Jul 16 14:08 |
| MinceR | everything will be that | Jul 16 14:08 |
| MinceR | though this might be more relevant to intel boot guard | Jul 16 14:08 |
| cubexyz | socketed bios, with backed up images | Jul 16 14:09 |
| cubexyz | I've thought about that a lot | Jul 16 14:09 |
| MinceR | we need a completely free computer (free hardware, free software, free storage devices) | Jul 16 14:10 |
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| cubexyz | the damned irc logs don't log the year :-/ | Jul 16 14:11 |
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| cubexyz | well one good thing, if any future computer archeologist wants to know about coreboot, I've got it covered :) | Jul 16 14:13 |
| cubexyz | completely forgot I was still logging | Jul 16 14:13 |
| cubexyz | the years kept passin' but the server keeps loggin' | Jul 16 14:15 |
| cubexyz | Press F1 to continue | Jul 16 14:16 |
| cubexyz | ok... the explanation I got about openbsd was: | Jul 16 14:18 |
| cubexyz | "ssh getting stuck is usually an indication that the kernel is very bruised from an OOPS or driver crash" | Jul 16 14:19 |
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| cubexyz | it's possible Minix3.3 is actually the best OS maybe, but I'll have to test it and see how it does | Jul 16 14:39 |
| cubexyz | some of the ideas it has seem very good | Jul 16 14:39 |
| MinceR | good luck | Jul 16 14:40 |
| cubexyz | :) | Jul 16 14:40 |
| cubexyz | it's minimal enough for qemu I think | Jul 16 14:42 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/_sinisterBen/status/621727867743801344 | Jul 16 14:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@_sinisterBen: @ross_lumbus @stonemirror I don't think Felicia would like StoneMirror.... http://t.co/JAjOKqYFWu | Jul 16 14:45 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/_sinisterBen/status/621704228034117632 | Jul 16 14:45 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/_sinisterBen/status/621701679985983488 | Jul 16 14:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@_sinisterBen: @stonemirror @titration4eva @area_matter @alasdairfraser8 You're a know harasser. http://t.co/JAjOKqYFWu | Jul 16 14:46 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ross_lumbus/status/621734651007086593 | Jul 16 14:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ross_lumbus: @_sinisterBen @stonemirror @felicityday I am wondering why Stoney would try to butter up Felicity for http://t.co/KpGSwL0cbU | Jul 16 14:47 | |
| schestowitz | Lefty having problems LOL | Jul 16 14:47 |
| cubexyz | the man sounds ill | Jul 16 14:48 |
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| cubebsd | hey hey new OS dudes | Jul 16 14:50 |
| cubebsd | I've time travelled from the year 1997 | Jul 16 14:51 |
| cubebsd | irc from quasijarus on a new build | Jul 16 14:51 |
| MinceR | 6:) | Jul 16 14:52 |
| MinceR | s/6// | Jul 16 14:52 |
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| msb__ | " <MinceR> we need a completely free computer (free hardware, free software, free storage devices)" | Jul 16 15:10 |
| msb__ | MinceR: That would be very difficult. | Jul 16 15:11 |
| msb__ | We would be back at the level of the first IBM PC. | Jul 16 15:12 |
| cubexyz | not really | Jul 16 15:12 |
| cubexyz | we have the engineering diagrams of a lot of the DEC computers | Jul 16 15:13 |
| msb__ | The 8088 CPU, 1MB of RAM if we were lucky, and maybe a 15MB hard disk | Jul 16 15:13 |
| cubexyz | I think we can do a bit better than the IBM PC | Jul 16 15:13 |
| cubexyz | Microvax can handle 16 megs and run 4.3BSD | Jul 16 15:13 |
| msb__ | It would be very difficult to make a microvax chip. | Jul 16 15:14 |
| msb__ | wafer-fab equipment is extremely precise. | Jul 16 15:15 |
| cubexyz | well sure, it would be pretty hard to make any microprocessor | Jul 16 15:15 |
| msb__ | Likewise for hard drives. | Jul 16 15:15 |
| msb__ | We have to keep using the parts made by increasingly fascist capitalism, but turn them to our own usage. | Jul 16 15:16 |
| msb__ | Work around things like UEFI and secure-boot. | Jul 16 15:16 |
| msb__ | At least we can control the software. | Jul 16 15:16 |
| cubexyz | msb__, discrete transistors, but it would still be hard | Jul 16 15:17 |
| MinceR | msb__: we would have computers we could trust | Jul 16 15:17 |
| MinceR | without all this nasty fractal of black boxes full of back doors | Jul 16 15:17 |
| cubexyz | msb__, I was thinking more along the lines of salvaging a microvax, rather than recreating one | Jul 16 15:18 |
| cubexyz | it's got memory, it's got (pretty big) hard drive, it's well understood | Jul 16 15:18 |
| cubexyz | it's still VLSI tech of course | Jul 16 15:18 |
| msb__ | But they would be so expensive and require so much labor with discrete transistors that very few people could afford them. | Jul 16 15:18 |
| MinceR | rapid prototyping and additive manufacturing methods may yet help with that | Jul 16 15:19 |
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| cubexyz | since people are junking old computers, why not save some? | Jul 16 15:20 |
| cubexyz | much easier than recreation | Jul 16 15:20 |
| msb__ | "additive manufacturing methods" ? | Jul 16 15:20 |
| MinceR | just because a computer is old doesn't mean it's free of backdoors | Jul 16 15:20 |
| MinceR | msb__: 3d printing and stuff like that | Jul 16 15:20 |
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| cubexyz | well if you go back far enough, it won't have a backdoor :) | Jul 16 15:21 |
| MinceR | how will i know? | Jul 16 15:21 |
| cubexyz | we have commented bios for most of the DEC boxes | Jul 16 15:22 |
| cubexyz | 4.3BSD and any old unix you can build from source | Jul 16 15:22 |
| cubexyz | you even have the engineering diagrams | Jul 16 15:23 |
| msb__ | That's probably accurate to 1/10 mm. or so. VLSI of 2008 used 65nm. | Jul 16 15:24 |
| msb__ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very-large-scale_integration | Jul 16 15:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Very-large-scale integration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/n51rq ] | Jul 16 15:24 | |
| cubexyz | early microvax was 1987 era | Jul 16 15:25 |
| msb__ | Why are you worried about backdoors? | Jul 16 15:26 |
| cubexyz | it's not 65nm, but I can't recall what they used back then | Jul 16 15:26 |
| msb__ | If the stormtroopers dislike you, they'll just smash in your door and shoot you. | Jul 16 15:27 |
| MinceR | the stormtroopers will find out why to dislike you by monitoring you through the backdoor | Jul 16 15:27 |
| cubexyz | more like 180 nm | Jul 16 15:27 |
| MinceR | and they'll find you through the backdoor | Jul 16 15:27 |
| msb__ | What we need is to get enough people sufficiently conscious to have a stable and equitable society. | Jul 16 15:28 |
| MinceR | that sounds futile | Jul 16 15:28 |
| cubexyz | sorry, actually I think early microvax was older than 180 nm | Jul 16 15:28 |
| MinceR | also, what will we do until then? | Jul 16 15:28 |
| cubexyz | more like 800 nm for 1987 | Jul 16 15:29 |
| msb__ | It may be, in which case humanity will perish like all the other intelligent species that should exist by the Drake Equation. | Jul 16 15:29 |
| cubexyz | and you can go back earlier, I was just thinking you'd want ethernet :) | Jul 16 15:29 |
| MinceR | or they do but they're hiding from the nastiest ones | Jul 16 15:30 |
| cubexyz | even early Pentium used 800 nm | Jul 16 15:30 |
| MinceR | the sort of thing humans would develop into if they didn't exterminate themselves first | Jul 16 15:30 |
| msb__ | Maybe. | Jul 16 15:30 |
| msb__ | Problem is, psychopathy is a very simple and obvious strategy for individual survival. | Jul 16 15:30 |
| msb__ | It will occur in every species that evolves intelligence. | Jul 16 15:31 |
| MinceR | i don't see how such a mental disorder would be inevitable | Jul 16 15:31 |
| msb__ | Because it is simple and effective. | Jul 16 15:32 |
| cubexyz | so when we talk about VLSI we are talking everything from 1984 until now | Jul 16 15:32 |
| cubexyz | that's quite a large spectrum | Jul 16 15:32 |
| msb__ | Destroy everyone who might want anything that you want. | Jul 16 15:32 |
| cubexyz | msb__, except civilization also requires co-operation | Jul 16 15:33 |
| msb__ | Sharks, black-widow spiders. | Jul 16 15:33 |
| MinceR | except society detects and handles most people with ASPD | Jul 16 15:33 |
| cubexyz | no one single person could have made a modern computer | Jul 16 15:33 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: yes, but cooperation is not something that genetic evolution selects for. | Jul 16 15:34 |
| msb__ | Unless psychopaths are not permitted to reproduce. | Jul 16 15:34 |
| cubexyz | we're not just the produces of genetics, we learn from the previous generations due to our ability to record information | Jul 16 15:35 |
| cubexyz | s/produces/products/ | Jul 16 15:35 |
| MinceR | evolution appears to have already selected for cooperation | Jul 16 15:35 |
| msb__ | but psychopaths, at least some of them, are genetic. | Jul 16 15:35 |
| msb__ | And the positions of power in the govt, corporations, and media are full of them. | Jul 16 15:36 |
| MinceR | those are still a small minority of all people | Jul 16 15:37 |
| msb__ | They are very good at taking power, and very good at appearing to be human. | Jul 16 15:37 |
| MinceR | most people don't have power | Jul 16 15:37 |
| cubexyz | old microvax: VLSI, NMOS, 5 mhz, 200 ns cycle time | Jul 16 15:37 |
| cubexyz | 125,00 transistors | Jul 16 15:37 |
| MinceR | from The Mask of Sanity, it seems to me that most psychopath would not be able to gain power | Jul 16 15:37 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mask_of_Sanity | Jul 16 15:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | The Mask of Sanity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/n51v5 ] | Jul 16 15:37 | |
| msb__ | MinceR: yes, but positions of power are full of psychopaths | Jul 16 15:38 |
| cubexyz | well you get rid of the old psychos since everyone dies | Jul 16 15:38 |
| cubexyz | then you get new psychos :) | Jul 16 15:38 |
| msb__ | But new ones are born. | Jul 16 15:38 |
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| cubexyz | I still marvel at VLSI technology | Jul 16 15:39 |
| msb__ | The "people" in the US govt that ordered the murders of 2,000,000+ people in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya, and the "people | Jul 16 15:39 |
| msb__ | who carried out the orders were/are psychopaths. | Jul 16 15:40 |
| msb__ | People in the US honor those in the military, when actually the latter are no better than Nazi soldiers. | Jul 16 15:41 |
| msb__ | Most people are living in The Matrix -- a false reality. | Jul 16 15:42 |
| msb__ | Waking people up to that has to be our highest priority. | Jul 16 15:42 |
| MinceR | seems to be an impossible mission | Jul 16 15:43 |
| msb__ | Then the human race will die. | Jul 16 15:43 |
| MinceR | the most successful religious memes prevent other memes from taking their place | Jul 16 15:43 |
| MinceR | indeed it will | Jul 16 15:43 |
| msb__ | In the US in the 1960s, a new culture began to form, largely due to cannabis, which helped people deprogram themselves. | Jul 16 15:44 |
| msb__ | Many of us knew this at the time. | Jul 16 15:45 |
| cubexyz | one doesn't really need to deprogram themselves, just think independently | Jul 16 15:45 |
| cubexyz | unless there part of some cult | Jul 16 15:45 |
| cubexyz | s/there/their/ | Jul 16 15:45 |
| msb__ | The monsters knew it, which is why they made cannabis as illegal as murder. | Jul 16 15:45 |
| MinceR | so not as illegal as copyright infringement? :> | Jul 16 15:46 |
| msb__ | People do need to be deprogrammed -- from patriotism, predatory capitalism, trusting the govt and corporate media, etc. | Jul 16 15:47 |
| MinceR | i suspect that most people are incapable of critical thinking and even marijuana won't necessarily enable them to do so | Jul 16 15:47 |
| msb__ | And from JCI religion, | Jul 16 15:47 |
| MinceR | maybe they can be taught to do so, maybe not | Jul 16 15:47 |
| msb__ | Critical thinking can be taught and learned. | Jul 16 15:47 |
| msb__ | It isn't complicated. | Jul 16 15:47 |
| cubexyz | sure even a child starts to question Santa Claus after a certain age | Jul 16 15:47 |
| MinceR | also, afaik hinduism isn't much better either -- it seems to have a nasty caste system built into it | Jul 16 15:48 |
| MinceR | yes, but it may require a certain level of mental capability, which may not be common enough | Jul 16 15:48 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: many children don't even question YHWH. not even until they die of old age. | Jul 16 15:48 |
| __martin__ | shiet | Jul 16 15:50 |
| __martin__ | https://i.imgur.com/q5ByzMo.png | Jul 16 15:50 |
| cubexyz | sorry to digress for a moment, but this picture is interesting: | Jul 16 15:50 |
| __martin__ | #adobecrapware #flashcrash #softwarefreedom | Jul 16 15:50 |
| cubexyz | http://regmedia.co.uk/2011/11/14/4004_die_large.jpg | Jul 16 15:50 |
| __martin__ | cubexyz: | Jul 16 15:51 |
| __martin__ | amazing | Jul 16 15:51 |
| msb__ | http://pastebin.com/f1Uau5Bh | Jul 16 15:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pastebin.com | Critical Thinking - Pastebin.com | Jul 16 15:51 | |
| msb__ | My formulation. | Jul 16 15:51 |
| cubexyz | 10-micron process back then | Jul 16 15:52 |
| cubexyz | maybe someday we'll have do-it-yourself CPUs | Jul 16 15:52 |
| MinceR | in the current age, step 4 is impossible. | Jul 16 15:52 |
| MinceR | information is generated and made accessible at a greater rate than any simple human could process it. | Jul 16 15:53 |
| MinceR | s/simp/sing/ | Jul 16 15:53 |
| cubexyz | going back to SSI is difficult too | Jul 16 15:54 |
| cubexyz | actually very difficult | Jul 16 15:54 |
| msb__ | MinceR: For any particular topic, there are only a small number -- max 6 -- of differing formulations. It suffices to read an example or two of each of them. | Jul 16 15:58 |
| msb__ | MinceR: That suffices for step 4. | Jul 16 15:59 |
| msb__ | A fairly high level of mental capability is required to follow professional sports in detail, or cars, or women's fashions, or soap operas. | Jul 16 16:01 |
| MinceR | what if one does not care about "professional sports"? | Jul 16 16:02 |
| MinceR | or soap operas? | Jul 16 16:02 |
| msb__ | If that mental capability were used for useful critical thinking, it would suffice. | Jul 16 16:02 |
| msb__ | The point is that most people have the capability to follow soap operas or sports. | Jul 16 16:03 |
| msb__ | The rulers program them to do that so that they will not think for themselves and question the 1% vs. 99% inequality. | Jul 16 16:04 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 16 16:04 |
| msb__ | With cannabis in common usage in the 1960s, people were widely questioning what the US govt told them about Vietnam. | Jul 16 16:05 |
| msb__ | There followed protests with millions of people, that actually stopped that war. | Jul 16 16:06 |
| MinceR | but how do you know those people used cannabis and became able to think critically afterward (as a consequence of that) and not the other way around? | Jul 16 16:06 |
| MinceR | or even because of a common cause? | Jul 16 16:06 |
| msb__ | The political/psychological/conscious music of bands like the Jefferson Airplane/Starship, CSNY, Fleetwood Mac, etc., also helped wake people up. | Jul 16 16:07 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Because I was there. | Jul 16 16:07 |
| msb__ | I was born in 1945 in Philadelphia. | Jul 16 16:08 |
| msb__ | ...a major urban center. | Jul 16 16:08 |
| msb__ | I lived in "hippie" areas. | Jul 16 16:08 |
| msb__ | Everyone smoked cannabis. | Jul 16 16:09 |
| msb__ | Some used LSD, psilocybin mushrooms, or peyote (which was the best, but very hard to get). | Jul 16 16:09 |
| msb__ | Most cultures on Earth use psychedelic plants. | Jul 16 16:10 |
| msb__ | But not JCI cultures. | Jul 16 16:10 |
| MinceR | that's still just a constellation of psychedelic substance use and anti-war sentiment | Jul 16 16:10 |
| MinceR | actually, even some JCI cultures do | Jul 16 16:11 |
| MinceR | christianity even has people drink ethanol at church | Jul 16 16:11 |
| msb__ | We also had "underground newspapers" -- the Internet of the day. | Jul 16 16:11 |
| msb__ | ethanol is not psychedelic. It is stupefying. It decreases the ability to think. | Jul 16 16:11 |
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| MinceR | yes, but it still alters the way the neural system works | Jul 16 16:15 |
| __martin__ | even more lol'd @ winblows chooser | Jul 16 16:15 |
| __martin__ | http://static.cdn.ubi.com/0026/Global/Steam/steam-patch-2.png | Jul 16 16:15 |
| MinceR | i.e. it does something they keep attacking other drugs for | Jul 16 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Phone is going away. | Jul 16 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | It's a zombie platform that just doesn't know it's dead yet. | Jul 16 16:16 |
| msb__ | Mere alteration does not suffice. Psychedelics, when used properly, help the brain work better. | Jul 16 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is pushing Android apps more than it is Windows Phone. | Jul 16 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | I have several of them on my new Galaxy S6. | Jul 16 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | They preloaded Onedrive and OneNote. | Jul 16 16:17 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jul 16 16:19 |
| MinceR | http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2015/07/where-next-for-microsoft-as-the-mercy-killing-of-lumia-and-windows-phone-will-happen-in-next-year-or.html | Jul 16 16:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Where Next for Microsoft? - As the mercy killing of Lumia and Windows Phone will happen in next year or two, what impacts to Microsoft world domination plans? [ http://ur1.ca/n526v ] | Jul 16 16:19 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I posted a joke on my Facebook wall earlier. | Jul 16 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | "I see that they still have the iPhone For Life plan, but that does come with the possibility of parole." | Jul 16 16:23 |
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| DaemonFC | I stayed with Sprint. | Jul 16 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | If anyone can believe it, there are carriers with worse coverage than Sprint. | Jul 16 16:24 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 16 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | Everyone seems to think Sprint is the pits, but T-Mobile is a lot worse. | Jul 16 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | Take Sprint's coverage area, and reduce it by about 40% and you get an idea of what T-Mobile has. | Jul 16 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | Sprint isn't so bad unless you're really out in the middle of nowhere. | Jul 16 16:26 |
| msb__ | . | Jul 16 16:31 |
| msb__ | Here is my -- I don't know what to call it -- manifesto? It won't fit in pastebin. It needs links. http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html | Jul 16 16:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | THE CAUSE AND CURE OF HUMANITY'S PROBLEMS [ http://ur1.ca/n52a6 ] | Jul 16 16:32 | |
| DaemonFC | Removing some of Sprint's crapware. | Jul 16 16:34 |
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| msb__ | Comments? Suggestions? | Jul 16 16:43 |
| msb__ | gde33: ? | Jul 16 16:43 |
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| MinceR | actually, a gene benefitting people related to you would also have an advantage in evolution | Jul 16 16:45 |
| MinceR | to a slight extent, even one that benefits random members of the same species would | Jul 16 16:45 |
| MinceR | (citation: The Selfish Gene) | Jul 16 16:46 |
| gde33 | msb__: I think it is the beginning of your book, each section you have here is the introduction of a chapter. | Jul 16 16:48 |
| msb__ | MinceR: It would. What counts in Darwinian evolution is how many children the person has, and do they care for them well enough that they have children of their own, | Jul 16 16:48 |
| gde33 | many books are structured that way, if you read the first paragraph you get the general idea | Jul 16 16:49 |
| gde33 | there seem to be 3 kinds, 2 of those want to build a collective and one who does not | Jul 16 16:49 |
| msb__ | gde33: Thanks! But I don't want it to go beyond a pamphlet, actually a Web page with links. | Jul 16 16:49 |
| gde33 | the first of the 2 wants to build a collective together and the second wants to be in bondage | Jul 16 16:50 |
| gde33 | like it takes 2 to sm | Jul 16 16:50 |
| msb__ | sm? | Jul 16 16:51 |
| gde33 | with psychopaths ruling for such a long time the victim is sort of successful in the evolutionary sense | Jul 16 16:51 |
| gde33 | Sadomasochism | Jul 16 16:51 |
| gde33 | the victim is successful like chickens are one of the most successful species on this world | Jul 16 16:52 |
| gde33 | *the willing victim | Jul 16 16:52 |
| gde33 | they seem to sabotage the revolution every time | Jul 16 16:52 |
| msb__ | But hopefully that willingness can be deprogrammed. | Jul 16 16:52 |
| gde33 | they just have to be contained like the psychopaths | Jul 16 16:53 |
| gde33 | or you end up at the front and most of your batallion runs away | Jul 16 16:53 |
| msb__ | Or just gradually offerred a better life. | Jul 16 16:53 |
| gde33 | it is like: they killed 4 students? so what? | Jul 16 16:53 |
| gde33 | we are suppose to be impressed by that statistic? | Jul 16 16:54 |
| gde33 | the psychopaths killed well over a hundred million in the first and second world war | Jul 16 16:54 |
| msb__ | That frightened and discouraged people. Those students were engaged in a large protest. | Jul 16 16:54 |
| gde33 | and probably a few times that after it | Jul 16 16:54 |
| gde33 | yeah, fightened by that? wtf? | Jul 16 16:55 |
| gde33 | like staying indoors because of lightning strikes | Jul 16 16:55 |
| msb__ | They were middle-class students, and they thought that protesting the war was a safe thing to do. | Jul 16 16:55 |
| msb__ | Then the govt brought in soldiers and ordered them to murder a few. | Jul 16 16:56 |
| MinceR | msb__: so what's up with the current trend of legalizing marijuana? | Jul 16 16:57 |
| gde33 | msb__: with ghandi they just did it again and again | Jul 16 16:57 |
| gde33 | until the soldiers killed about a thousand and had enough of it | Jul 16 16:57 |
| gde33 | there is an easy solution | Jul 16 16:58 |
| gde33 | you just join that police force | Jul 16 16:58 |
| msb__ | I'm not sure. It's getting widely known that cannabidiol (CBD) cures some cancers. | Jul 16 16:58 |
| gde33 | become the oppressor | Jul 16 16:58 |
| msb__ | gde33: But police have a pyramidal control structure, and psychopaths at the top are still giving the orders. | Jul 16 16:59 |
| gde33 | turn on them when the time is right | Jul 16 17:00 |
| msb__ | That would require a majority of the police to be conscious. | Jul 16 17:00 |
| gde33 | not at all, they are like sheep, if enough of them say no it wont happen | Jul 16 17:00 |
| msb__ | Why would they say no? | Jul 16 17:01 |
| gde33 | infiltration is quite simple | Jul 16 17:01 |
| msb__ | I mean, why wouldn't they follow the orders from the top. | Jul 16 17:01 |
| gde33 | if you join the police you would say no | Jul 16 17:02 |
| gde33 | there is not one infuential organization in the world that was not successfully infiltrated again and again | Jul 16 17:02 |
| MinceR | looks like i don't need cannabis -- water here isn't fluoridated :> | Jul 16 17:02 |
| msb__ | MinceR: you need more psychedelic than your pineal gland makes. | Jul 16 17:03 |
| gde33 | my experience was that it makes the indoctrination into something strange and alien | Jul 16 17:03 |
| msb__ | gde33: What does? | Jul 16 17:04 |
| gde33 | smoking pot. I was like.... uhh.... so tell me... why do people need jobs? | Jul 16 17:04 |
| gde33 | I thought we had work to do, cant we focus on that? | Jul 16 17:04 |
| gde33 | why should silly job rethoric take priority over doing the work? | Jul 16 17:04 |
| gde33 | like say: if I shoot protestors I have a job? thats it? | Jul 16 17:05 |
| msb__ | Waking people up is the most important work, but | Jul 16 17:05 |
| gde33 | I make coffee for people who are to lazy to do it themselves? tadaa? a job was created? | Jul 16 17:05 |
| msb__ | gde33: What are you saying? What's your point? | Jul 16 17:06 |
| gde33 | that it makes you question everything | Jul 16 17:06 |
| gde33 | when stoned the things you take for granted seem awefully dubious | Jul 16 17:06 |
| msb__ | Cannabis? | Jul 16 17:06 |
| gde33 | ye | Jul 16 17:07 |
| gde33 | it is nice when you are young | Jul 16 17:07 |
| MinceR | you need certain resources for survival. doing a job is one possible (and common) way to get access to those resources. | Jul 16 17:07 |
| msb__ | OK, first of all it requires non-oxidized cannabis. The chlorophyll in the leaves serves as an indicator. It should be green. | Jul 16 17:08 |
| MinceR | (via salary->money->trade) | Jul 16 17:08 |
| gde33 | MinceR: yes, but even supperfical examination shows that it is a completely idiotic way of looking at things. | Jul 16 17:08 |
| MinceR | what is? | Jul 16 17:08 |
| gde33 | what you said boils down to slavery for access | Jul 16 17:09 |
| gde33 | that means it will be ethernal | Jul 16 17:09 |
| MinceR | no, it doesn't | Jul 16 17:09 |
| MinceR | no, it doesn't mean that | Jul 16 17:09 |
| msb__ | Doing a useful job for good pay is not slavery. | Jul 16 17:09 |
| gde33 | no amount of technology will remove the need to do jobs | Jul 16 17:09 |
| gde33 | technology becomes bullshit | Jul 16 17:09 |
| MinceR | i think it might | Jul 16 17:09 |
| MinceR | whether humanity can survive and reach that level is another matter | Jul 16 17:09 |
| gde33 | progress becomes undesirable | Jul 16 17:09 |
| gde33 | the difference between jobs and work is small but not insignificant | Jul 16 17:10 |
| gde33 | we need to do all kinds of work to sustain ourselves | Jul 16 17:10 |
| msb__ | As machines produce more goods and services, the amount of work that people have to do decreases. | Jul 16 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | gde33: My favorite coffee is Dunkin Donuts dark roast with cream, Chips Ahoy syrup, and splenda. | Jul 16 17:10 |
| gde33 | jobs are not the answer to doing the nesasary work | Jul 16 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | You can by the coffee to make at home, but not the syrup | Jul 16 17:10 |
| msb__ | This is causing big problems under capitalism already with mass unemployment. | Jul 16 17:11 |
| gde33 | msb__: yes but who cares? | Jul 16 17:11 |
| MinceR | jobs are the form in which division of labor is implemented | Jul 16 17:11 |
| gde33 | why are we not exited that the work is finally finished? | Jul 16 17:11 |
| msb__ | MinceR: right! | Jul 16 17:11 |
| gde33 | it is like any kind of work, say cleaning the dishes | Jul 16 17:12 |
| MinceR | division of labor makes society more efficient and allows people to do things they like doing more than things they dislike doing (to some extent) | Jul 16 17:12 |
| gde33 | at some point you are done | Jul 16 17:12 |
| MinceR | gde33: we should be | Jul 16 17:12 |
| gde33 | this should be reason to be exited | Jul 16 17:12 |
| MinceR | instead of complaining that machines are taking our jerbs, people should train themselves for less menial tasks | Jul 16 17:12 |
| gde33 | efficency is in focusing on the work not in focusing on keeping people bussy | Jul 16 17:13 |
| msb__ | The psychopaths in control don't want capitalism to end. | Jul 16 17:13 |
| gde33 | MinceR: take health care, you need trained people, you need machines, you need factories, you need research | Jul 16 17:13 |
| msb__ | That's why the US has attacked socialist nation throughout the 20th Century. | Jul 16 17:13 |
| gde33 | MinceR: in the expoitation model you simply cant have health care | Jul 16 17:14 |
| gde33 | the price will go up to the point where proffit is the greatest | Jul 16 17:14 |
| MinceR | msb__: those "socialist nations" were more exploitative than the "capitalist" ones | Jul 16 17:14 |
| gde33 | MinceR: certainly! | Jul 16 17:14 |
| MinceR | gde33: wasn't that fixed already? | Jul 16 17:14 |
| gde33 | fuck marx was all over the jobs nonsense | Jul 16 17:14 |
| msb__ | It was a false kind of socialism, actually state capitalism. | Jul 16 17:15 |
| msb__ | Good socialism requires real democracy at every level. | Jul 16 17:15 |
| MinceR | the term i've seen for that is "state socialism" | Jul 16 17:15 |
| gde33 | it was just an example, pot makes you question everything. To find the right answer you have to ask the right questions. | Jul 16 17:15 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 16 17:15 |
| gde33 | our culture is full of completely crazy things we never question | Jul 16 17:16 |
| MinceR | some of us do :> | Jul 16 17:17 |
| gde33 | the most idiotic one to me was that I thought people acted based on logic and reason. | Jul 16 17:17 |
| gde33 | then it one day struck me as something I just like to believe | Jul 16 17:17 |
| MinceR | some people do, but this is probably rare | Jul 16 17:17 |
| gde33 | I was just telling myself that that was the case | Jul 16 17:18 |
| MinceR | it was also said that we often rationalize our actions after deciding or doing them | Jul 16 17:18 |
| MinceR | though the research this was based on was dubious | Jul 16 17:18 |
| msb__ | People can learn to think rationally, critically. | Jul 16 17:18 |
| gde33 | msb__: I like to tell myself that too | Jul 16 17:18 |
| msb__ | If they are given information on how to do it. | Jul 16 17:18 |
| gde33 | but if you look carefully you are just saying something you like to believe to be true | Jul 16 17:19 |
| msb__ | It's true, at least for some people. | Jul 16 17:19 |
| gde33 | take software | Jul 16 17:19 |
| gde33 | or any product we use | Jul 16 17:19 |
| msb__ | I think much more accurately now than I did 20 years ago. | Jul 16 17:19 |
| gde33 | to find the best product one would have to make up his own mind | Jul 16 17:20 |
| cubexyz | well windows 95, no wonder :) | Jul 16 17:20 |
| gde33 | that would require trying all of the offerings | Jul 16 17:20 |
| gde33 | I do do this sometimes, I install all windos irc clients, learn to configure and use them | Jul 16 17:21 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't even consider windows-only irc clients | Jul 16 17:21 |
| gde33 | but other people dont do that, they dont value my opinion either. | Jul 16 17:21 |
| gde33 | MinceR: exactly, my investigation is seriously flawed by design | Jul 16 17:21 |
| MinceR | those would require me to run windows or try to make them work with wine | Jul 16 17:21 |
| gde33 | that is how people end up on facebook, not because it offers interesting features, just heard mentality. | Jul 16 17:22 |
| gde33 | logical would be for us to all agree a social network is a great idea. | Jul 16 17:23 |
| gde33 | then we make a list of features it should have | Jul 16 17:23 |
| gde33 | code it | Jul 16 17:23 |
| gde33 | but that would require logical beings | Jul 16 17:24 |
| MinceR | we could use diaspora or gnu social | Jul 16 17:24 |
| gde33 | msb__: I honestly dont know if I think more logically, I like to think I do | Jul 16 17:24 |
| MinceR | or both | Jul 16 17:25 |
| gde33 | MinceR: certainly | Jul 16 17:25 |
| cubexyz | what's wrong with IRC? | Jul 16 17:25 |
| MinceR | i might do so once i get my vps, but i'm not strongly motivated | Jul 16 17:25 |
| MinceR | yeah, irc is great | Jul 16 17:25 |
| msb__ | There are enough logical beings to have created GNU/Linux and all its tools and apps. | Jul 16 17:25 |
| MinceR | and might well be sufficient for me | Jul 16 17:25 |
| MinceR | msb__: and so much other technology, and science | Jul 16 17:25 |
| gde33 | cubelog: irc logs are unorganized to the point of being unreadable | Jul 16 17:25 |
| MinceR | grep helps :> | Jul 16 17:26 |
| cubexyz | I just grepped years worth of coreboot logs today | Jul 16 17:26 |
| gde33 | if you write your thougths into a blog your effort creates something valueable over time | Jul 16 17:26 |
| msb__ | konversation keeps good logs | Jul 16 17:26 |
| gde33 | logs cant compete with articles in the search results | Jul 16 17:27 |
| msb__ | Some simple formatting scripts make them easy to read | Jul 16 17:27 |
| gde33 | the thoughts shared here from time to time are good enough to have a large audience | Jul 16 17:28 |
| gde33 | as an irc log that cant happen | Jul 16 17:28 |
| msb__ | Then you can extract good discussions and edit them into articles. | Jul 16 17:28 |
| cubexyz | actually schestowitz puts the logs on the web | Jul 16 17:28 |
| gde33 | just like activism on facebook leaves no trail of having ever existed | Jul 16 17:29 |
| cubexyz | plus there's a few logbots | Jul 16 17:29 |
| gde33 | msb__: sure | Jul 16 17:29 |
| MinceR | well, if you can put your thoughts more formally, a website or blog can be useful | Jul 16 17:29 |
| MinceR | we talk differently on irc most of the time :) | Jul 16 17:29 |
| cubexyz | 100 years from now folks will still be able to read about how win95 sucks :) | Jul 16 17:29 |
| MinceR | i'm not so sure | Jul 16 17:30 |
| gde33 | the medium should aid the creation of value rather than noise | Jul 16 17:30 |
| MinceR | it's so difficult to find evidence even of events that didn't happen so long ago | Jul 16 17:30 |
| MinceR | say, 10 or 15 years ago | Jul 16 17:30 |
| cubexyz | actually I have VHS tapes of BBS logins from the 1980s | Jul 16 17:31 |
| gde33 | cubelog: those are exceptions | Jul 16 17:31 |
| gde33 | most of our stuff is just burned | Jul 16 17:31 |
| cubexyz | this era we're in right now is probably the most recorded era ever | Jul 16 17:32 |
| gde33 | Take this silly example | Jul 16 17:32 |
| msb__ | google had everything from text Usenet, but threw it away a few years ago. | Jul 16 17:32 |
| gde33 | a smot ramp looks like this http://go-here.nl/smot-hires.jpg | Jul 16 17:32 |
| gde33 | it is very strange because the ball rolls up the ramp then drops from the high end | Jul 16 17:32 |
| gde33 | there use to be hundreds of videos showing these | Jul 16 17:32 |
| MinceR | i've made it a policy to save websites (instead of just bookmarking) i intend to use as evidence or reference in the future | Jul 16 17:32 |
| gde33 | now there are 3 or 4 videos of smot ramps that are build wrong | Jul 16 17:33 |
| cubexyz | interesting, this is the first I've heard of such a thing | Jul 16 17:34 |
| gde33 | here is one that doesn't start at table level https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MEOit3ff4Hg#t=15 | Jul 16 17:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Magnet ramp 1 - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/n52r5 ] | Jul 16 17:34 | |
| gde33 | it just fails to capture the toy | Jul 16 17:34 |
| gde33 | this one is wrong too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMCLKKVef0E | Jul 16 17:35 |
| cubexyz | no commercial version? | Jul 16 17:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Rampa magnetica magnetic ramp smot Alessio Fusaro - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/n52rc ] | Jul 16 17:35 | |
| gde33 | nope | Jul 16 17:35 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Magnetic_Overunity_Toy | Jul 16 17:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Simple Magnetic Overunity Toy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/n52rg ] | Jul 16 17:35 | |
| gde33 | I think it is a hilarious toy | Jul 16 17:35 |
| gde33 | but it did have lots of pages about it self | Jul 16 17:38 |
| gde33 | most ideas people have do not | Jul 16 17:38 |
| gde33 | they cant be discovered | Jul 16 17:38 |
| gde33 | all the different flat logs must be full of fantastic treasures | Jul 16 17:39 |
| gde33 | irc, wiki's, usenet, facebook, twitter etc etc | Jul 16 17:39 |
| cubexyz | yeah and Microsoft wanted to crash the party with IRCX | Jul 16 17:40 |
| cubexyz | then MSNP | Jul 16 17:40 |
| msb__ | That video does not show overunity. The guy has to move the spheres by hand. | Jul 16 17:41 |
| cubexyz | IRC, another invention from Finland | Jul 16 17:41 |
| MinceR | lol ircx | Jul 16 17:41 |
| MinceR | typical crappy m$ product | Jul 16 17:41 |
| gde33 | msb__: the jury is still out on the overunity | Jul 16 17:42 |
| gde33 | the wikipedia article has no sources | Jul 16 17:42 |
| cubexyz | gde33, ever heard of the Hutchison Effect? | Jul 16 17:43 |
| gde33 | sure | Jul 16 17:43 |
| msb__ | An overunity one would be simple to build, if it works. SMOT is just a four-letter word. | Jul 16 17:43 |
| cubexyz | levitation of heavy objects, and other weird stuff | Jul 16 17:43 |
| msb__ | Hutchison Effect is bullshit. | Jul 16 17:43 |
| gde33 | someone told john that if he had those devices he should try that | Jul 16 17:44 |
| gde33 | but he cant make a decent video or write documentation | Jul 16 17:44 |
| msb__ | a box with a video camera mounted at the edge, looking inside. Then somebody flipps the box over and the objects appear to ascend in the video.. | Jul 16 17:45 |
| cubexyz | another oddball thing.. quasijarus works better when you login with telnet | Jul 16 17:47 |
| msb__ | Same thing was done with a whole room in the movie Poltergeist (1982) in which JoBeth Williams appeared to climb up a wall. | Jul 16 17:47 |
| cubexyz | unfortunately there's barely anyone who uses it, so progress with it is slow | Jul 16 17:47 |
| cubexyz | msb__, I think I remember that | Jul 16 17:48 |
| gde33 | msb__: you cant prove anything about it if the guy cant document stuff | Jul 16 17:48 |
| gde33 | just noise | Jul 16 17:48 |
| msb__ | I thought quasijarus became extinct millions of years ago. | Jul 16 17:48 |
| cubexyz | nah, I still use it | Jul 16 17:49 |
| msb__ | Wasn't the Polyphase Quasitron used to destroy the Magnetic Monster? | Jul 16 17:50 |
| gde33 | not one quasijarus video on the interwebs | Jul 16 17:51 |
| cubexyz | there's a 2.11BSD video | Jul 16 17:51 |
| cubexyz | I'm not sure what Sokolov is doing with quasijarus these days | Jul 16 17:51 |
| cubexyz | I was hoping to get lynx working on it | Jul 16 17:52 |
| cubexyz | gde33, try 4.3bsd | Jul 16 17:56 |
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| msb__ | I downloaded the youtube video of Spielberg showing the rotating room in Poltergeist, but the shitpigs have removed it from youtube. | Jul 16 17:59 |
| msb__ | Anyhow Hutchison is a fraud. | Jul 16 18:00 |
| gde33 | the greek debt debate last night was not available in germany because streaming youtube is banned | Jul 16 18:00 |
| msb__ | He makes the deformed metal bars by making casts of vegetable root systems. | Jul 16 18:01 |
| gde33 | could be, I see nothing that suggests anything is real or fake | Jul 16 18:01 |
| cubexyz | it is interesting that IRC has far less users that facebook does | Jul 16 18:02 |
| msb__ | Anything you like on youtube, download it -- http://youtube-dl.org/ | Jul 16 18:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-youtube-dl.org | youtube-dl | Jul 16 18:03 | |
| cubexyz | IRC seems to attract more knowledgeable people, at least with regard to computer skills | Jul 16 18:03 |
| cubexyz | I can barely stand facebook | Jul 16 18:03 |
| gde33 | internet for suckers | Jul 16 18:05 |
| msb__ | If there are two ways to create a video, one that violates laws of physics, is undocumented and not reproducible, and the other that anyone can do in their kitchen, which one should you believe? | Jul 16 18:06 |
| gde33 | I dont do believes if I dont have to, I save many cpu cycles that way :) | Jul 16 18:06 |
| cubexyz | I didn't believe cold fusion either | Jul 16 18:07 |
| gde33 | the amount of time people waste judging things for no reason | Jul 16 18:07 |
| cubexyz | it has to be reproducible | Jul 16 18:08 |
| gde33 | judge people, groups of people etc | Jul 16 18:08 |
| msb__ | Hutchison is also hooked up with Judy Wood, a COINTELPRO agent trying to smear 9-11 research. | Jul 16 18:08 |
| MinceR | maybe that's why some people judge people so quickly | Jul 16 18:08 |
| gde33 | if you need to know what something is you put in the work | Jul 16 18:08 |
| MinceR | to reduce the amount of wasted time | Jul 16 18:08 |
| gde33 | MinceR: haha, yes but it can be done so much faster by leaving things the way they are ;) | Jul 16 18:09 |
| msb__ | Various types of cold fusion are reproducible. See: http://lenr-canr.org/ | Jul 16 18:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lenr-canr.org | LENR-CANR.org — A library of papers about cold fusion | Jul 16 18:09 | |
| gde33 | there are enough scientists with admirable credentials who say it is worth further research | Jul 16 18:10 |
| msb__ | search the site for Iwamura He transmutes thin films of metals by flowing deuterium gas thru them. | Jul 16 18:11 |
| gde33 | I dont see how my opinion would be of significant value compared to theirs | Jul 16 18:11 |
| MinceR | then they should perform further research | Jul 16 18:14 |
| MinceR | whatever the outcome, we will know more than we did before | Jul 16 18:15 |
| gde33 | I do see lame naysayers | Jul 16 18:15 |
| cubexyz | duracell doesn't make the best batteries | Jul 16 18:16 |
| gde33 | they moan how they know nothing is there without showing anything for it | Jul 16 18:16 |
| cubexyz | but if you went by marketing alone.... :) | Jul 16 18:16 |
| gde33 | if you show them 1 youtube video with some wild effect going on they know it is not real | Jul 16 18:16 |
| gde33 | then find 200 scientists with admirable credentials and nobel prizes and do 25 years of successful replication | Jul 16 18:17 |
| gde33 | and then they will scream it is not real? | Jul 16 18:17 |
| gde33 | that is how objectivity works? | Jul 16 18:17 |
| gde33 | this is what we expect from john hutchison too? hahaha | Jul 16 18:17 |
| gde33 | sounds quite unreasonable | Jul 16 18:18 |
| cubexyz | Duracell might even be hobbling their batteries on purpose, making them less durable | Jul 16 18:18 |
| cubexyz | a simple money-making ploy | Jul 16 18:18 |
| gde33 | of course? | Jul 16 18:18 |
| gde33 | that is how business works | Jul 16 18:18 |
| gde33 | they have these big battery making machines now, those produce batteries the whole day long | Jul 16 18:19 |
| gde33 | from where the illusion they would want to replace those machines to make them more efficent? | Jul 16 18:19 |
| gde33 | to go bankrupt? | Jul 16 18:20 |
| cubexyz | no, it's not white/black like that | Jul 16 18:20 |
| gde33 | it is like expecting microsoft to do monthly kernel upgrades | Jul 16 18:20 |
| gde33 | lmao | Jul 16 18:20 |
| cubexyz | people paid a premium price to get batteries that lasted longer | Jul 16 18:20 |
| gde33 | because you know, it is the right thing to do | Jul 16 18:20 |
| cubexyz | if they don't last longer, what is the point in paying more? | Jul 16 18:21 |
| gde33 | cubexyz: last longer than what? | Jul 16 18:21 |
| gde33 | the other factory that is probably owned by the same people? | Jul 16 18:21 |
| gde33 | in most sectors the new and improved technology is sitting there waiting for the production line to get old | Jul 16 18:23 |
| msb__ | Hutchison doesn't prove his claims, and he never has impartial people come in and watch a demonstration of his "effect". | Jul 16 18:23 |
| cubexyz | I don't know, I guess I'd have to research that | Jul 16 18:23 |
| gde33 | msb__: sure, my point was that at the point where hundreds of scientists invest 25 years into thousands of succesful replications we still have something that can be easily disbelieved. | Jul 16 18:24 |
| MinceR | we already have plenty of such things | Jul 16 18:24 |
| MinceR | like evolution and quantum mechanics | Jul 16 18:24 |
| msb__ | evolution and quantum mechanics have both actually been demonstrated taking place | Jul 16 18:25 |
| gde33 | running a business involves a lot of things, it is nice to be on the cutting edge but it has a ton of drawbacks | Jul 16 18:25 |
| MinceR | and yet people disbelieve them | Jul 16 18:26 |
| gde33 | cubexyz: philips made a tv one time that could explode after 10 years | Jul 16 18:26 |
| MinceR | some people even use technology that relies on humans' understanding of quantum mechanics to spread the word about quantum mechanics being a lie | Jul 16 18:26 |
| MinceR | videoton's tv-s exploded a lot sooner | Jul 16 18:26 |
| gde33 | lol | Jul 16 18:26 |
| MinceR | they were called color star, iirc | Jul 16 18:26 |
| gde33 | I'm sure it all looked great at launch time | Jul 16 18:27 |
| msb__ | How high did it get when it was launched? | Jul 16 18:27 |
| gde33 | the space x rocket went up for a bit first :D | Jul 16 18:28 |
| gde33 | then poof and wtf? | Jul 16 18:28 |
| cubexyz | doesn't the transistor use quantum mechanics? | Jul 16 18:28 |
| gde33 | I think they are still at the wtf stage of bug fixing | Jul 16 18:28 |
| msb__ | Nobody's gonna want to ride on that thing. | Jul 16 18:28 |
| cubexyz | so that's pretty much all computers | Jul 16 18:28 |
| cubexyz | so doubting QM is silly | Jul 16 18:29 |
| msb__ | I think a detailed analysis of transistor action involves QM. | Jul 16 18:29 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: at least FETs certainly do | Jul 16 18:29 |
| MinceR | so do giant magnetoresistive HDD heads | Jul 16 18:29 |
| msb__ | The simple two-slit experiment is a good demo of QM. | Jul 16 18:30 |
| msb__ | A single particle or photon will go one way or the other, but a beam of them will make an interference pattern. | Jul 16 18:31 |
| gde33 | msb__: “If there’s more than one way to do a job, and one of those ways will result in disaster, then somebody will do it that way.” —Edward A. Murphy, Jr. | Jul 16 18:31 |
| gde33 | I for one am very exited about an industry dedicated to blowing up rich people | Jul 16 18:32 |
| msb__ | excited | Jul 16 18:32 |
| gde33 | right | Jul 16 18:32 |
| msb__ | drones and google maps might be a beginning, but you wouldn't want to blow up the servants | Jul 16 18:34 |
| gde33 | there is a good prank about the double slit experiment | Jul 16 18:34 |
| gde33 | someone replicated it with just a needle | Jul 16 18:34 |
| msb__ | With monochromatic light, especially laser, you'd see interference fringes. | Jul 16 18:36 |
| MinceR | once you have robots to serve you, you can blow up the servants | Jul 16 18:37 |
| gde33 | yes, that is how robots make everything cheaper | Jul 16 18:37 |
| gde33 | no more need to sustain the servant | Jul 16 18:38 |
| msb__ | Aren't junction -- NPN, PNP -- transistors more involved with QM than FETs? Something about conduction bands? | Jul 16 18:39 |
| MinceR | i don't know | Jul 16 18:40 |
| MinceR | i know that FETs rely on quantum tunnelling | Jul 16 18:40 |
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| gde33 | it will be facinating to see the transistor size drop to 3 nm and beyond | Jul 16 18:44 |
| gde33 | 15 nm is 5 times the length and 5 times the width or 25 times bigger | Jul 16 18:48 |
| gde33 | I see some video card where the ddr5 memory is stacked into a pile next to the processor | Jul 16 18:50 |
| gde33 | video is still on something like 20 nm I think? | Jul 16 18:50 |
| msb__ | looks like most FETs are just electrostatic, but there are a couple of kinds that use tunneling. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field-effect_transistor | Jul 16 18:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Field-effect transistor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/n53be ] | Jul 16 18:51 | |
| MinceR | flash ROM uses quantum tunnelling too | Jul 16 18:54 |
| MinceR | (and EEPROM in general) | Jul 16 18:55 |
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| schestowitz | [22:23] <gde33> logical would be for us to all agree a social network is a great idea. | Jul 16 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Depends which | Jul 16 20:28 |
| gde33 | schestowitz: the raw concept | Jul 16 20:30 |
| gde33 | schestowitz: it is a good enough idea to have a serious discussion about features | Jul 16 20:30 |
| gde33 | schestowitz: how to implement it | Jul 16 20:30 |
| schestowitz | [21:17] <DaemonFC> Microsoft is pushing Android apps more than it is Windows Phone. | Jul 16 20:31 |
| schestowitz | [21:17] <DaemonFC> I have several of them on my new Galaxy S6. | Jul 16 20:31 |
| schestowitz | [21:17] <DaemonFC> They preloaded Onedrive and OneNote. | Jul 16 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Because of patent extortion | Jul 16 20:31 |
| gde33 | schestowitz: how to prevent your mum becoming a means of exploitation | Jul 16 20:31 |
| schestowitz | MS sued Samsung | Jul 16 20:31 |
| schestowitz | and then settled in exchange for samsung being MS couriers on Android | Jul 16 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Extortion/blackmail is what this is | Jul 16 20:31 |
| schestowitz | the 'new' Microsoft | Jul 16 20:31 |
| gde33 | same as the old one | Jul 16 20:31 |
| schestowitz | gde33: I did try to install diaspora on the server of techrights | Jul 16 20:32 |
| schestowitz | didn't get it running completely, but was close | Jul 16 20:32 |
| schestowitz | it's a bit of a hog, it uses RoR | Jul 16 20:32 |
| schestowitz | [20:35] <msb__> but psychopaths, at least some of them, are genetic. | Jul 16 20:38 |
| schestowitz | [20:36] <msb__> And the positions of power in the govt, corporations, and media are full of them. | Jul 16 20:38 |
| schestowitz | I heard this before | Jul 16 20:38 |
| schestowitz | for some, ambitions is needed | Jul 16 20:38 |
| schestowitz | hard work | Jul 16 20:38 |
| schestowitz | and then there are connections, like family connections, and the will to stab people in the back to get promoted | Jul 16 20:38 |
| schestowitz | I've repeatedly declined offers of promotion, I want my daytime job to remain simple and fun | Jul 16 20:39 |
| schestowitz | [20:20] <MinceR> just because a computer is old doesn't mean it's free of backdoors | Jul 16 20:40 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: You'll never get to be a psychopath at this rate. | Jul 16 20:40 |
| schestowitz | The off-the-shelf ones might not work, i.e. more expensive and hard to crack, I think | Jul 16 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Windows XP makes one very easy to crack, the 0-days have been on the shelf for quite some time with no fixes delivered | Jul 16 20:41 |
| msb__ | The movie _fishead_ is about psychopaths in power. | Jul 16 20:41 |
| schestowitz | msb__: depends on how you define it | Jul 16 20:41 |
| schestowitz | my friend says, only a psychopath says he never lies | Jul 16 20:41 |
| cubexyz | well I figure Babbages Analytical Engine is backdoor free :) | Jul 16 20:41 |
| schestowitz | but anyway, my focus is my online activism | Jul 16 20:42 |
| schestowitz | the job is secondary, I need to pay the bills | Jul 16 20:42 |
| schestowitz | msb__: I watched some of that "conspiracy" stuff today because the wife was watching youtube by hopping between videos | Jul 16 20:42 |
| msb__ | Which conspiracy stuff? | Jul 16 20:43 |
| schestowitz | There's this one guy, report/open source something - maybe Corbet report? | Jul 16 20:43 |
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| msb__ | Yes, he's good. | Jul 16 20:43 |
| schestowitz | he's not bad | Jul 16 20:43 |
| schestowitz | even if I don't agree with him on some stuff | Jul 16 20:43 |
| msb__ | Do you mean videos linked on my homepage? | Jul 16 20:43 |
| schestowitz | no | Jul 16 20:44 |
| msb__ | There's plenty of conspiracy stuff that seems to be BS. Some I know is. | Jul 16 20:44 |
| schestowitz | examples | Jul 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | 1. no planes present on 9/11 | Jul 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | 2. people in MH flights dead before crash | Jul 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | stuff that makes no sense at all | Jul 16 20:45 |
| schestowitz | and discredits attempts to meaningful scepticism of media | Jul 16 20:45 |
| msb__ | certain #1 | Jul 16 20:46 |
| schestowitz | I think some of it is intentionally introduced and planted | Jul 16 20:46 |
| schestowitz | to stigmatise critics | Jul 16 20:46 |
| msb__ | #2 how would anyone know | Jul 16 20:46 |
| msb__ | http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/disinfo.html -- covers most of the ones trying to discredit 911 researchers | Jul 16 20:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | The No-WTC-Planes/Video-Fakery/Energy-Beams Disinformation Gang [ http://ur1.ca/gnxmb ] | Jul 16 20:48 | |
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| MinceR | http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3785 | Jul 16 20:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal [ http://ur1.ca/n544o ] | Jul 16 20:49 | |
| msb__ | no planes, mini-A-bombs, holograms that project darkness, rayguns from space | Jul 16 20:49 |
| MinceR | ronald raygun? | Jul 16 20:50 |
| schestowitz | [20:20] <cubexyz> since people are junking old computers, why not save some? | Jul 16 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes they just break | Jul 16 20:50 |
| schestowitz | my old server died | Jul 16 20:50 |
| schestowitz | and fixing it would cost a lot more than it's worth | Jul 16 20:50 |
| MinceR | also, old computers may consume more electricity :> | Jul 16 20:50 |
| schestowitz | even if I ever figured out which component needs changing | Jul 16 20:50 |
| cubexyz | that's not always the case | Jul 16 20:50 |
| schestowitz | so it's just dysfunctional and unused since March | Jul 16 20:50 |
| cubexyz | P4's used more power than P3's | Jul 16 20:50 |
| MinceR | P4 may be an outlier, in the chase after meaningless high clock rates | Jul 16 20:51 |
| MinceR | Core was based on P3 in part for the lower energy consumption, afaik | Jul 16 20:51 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: computers in general don't take that much power compared to other appliances | Jul 16 20:51 |
| cubexyz | I will use monochrome LCD tech as soon as I can for terminals | Jul 16 20:51 |
| schestowitz | I always leave like 3 computers on 24/7 | Jul 16 20:51 |
| schestowitz | sometimes more | Jul 16 20:51 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 16 20:51 |
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| schestowitz | and the electric bills aren't that bad | Jul 16 20:51 |
| MinceR | well, there are definitely some appliances that use lots of power | Jul 16 20:51 |
| MinceR | to generate heat and the like | Jul 16 20:52 |
| schestowitz | phoronix michael now uses his bills as a begging plea to have people toss out adblock | Jul 16 20:52 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 16 20:52 |
| schestowitz | did you see it? | Jul 16 20:52 |
| MinceR | no | Jul 16 20:52 |
| schestowitz | !google phoronix electric bill adblock | Jul 16 20:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Experimenting With No "Hover Ads" On Phoronix - Phoronix | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php%3Fpage%3Dnews_item%26px%3DMTY3OTU | Jul 16 20:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Reviews at LinuxPlanet Blogs | http://www.linuxplanet.org/blogs/%3Fcat%3D1824 | Jul 16 20:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - 2011 April 20 | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/04/20/ | Jul 16 20:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - AMD Withdraws From High-Density Server Business - Slashdot | http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/15/04/17/029214/amd-withdraws-from-high-density-server-business | Jul 16 20:52 |
| MinceR | i only read moronix when linked on irc in a way that gets my attention | Jul 16 20:52 |
| MinceR | or when it comes up as a search result | Jul 16 20:52 |
| cubexyz | I wouldn't junk a historical important machine like a microvax | Jul 16 20:52 |
| MinceR | neither would i | Jul 16 20:53 |
| MinceR | i still have my sinclair zx spectrum in a cupboard | Jul 16 20:53 |
| cubexyz | but some Pentium Pro, it's not as important | Jul 16 20:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-Power-Use-July-15 | Jul 16 20:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | The Insane Power Use Of Benchmarking Linux Every Day - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/n545k ] | Jul 16 20:53 | |
| cubexyz | Unix was born on a PDP-11/20 | Jul 16 20:54 |
| schestowitz | "While I hate having to always mention it, the numbers lay it out rather bluntly... While trying to put out more Linux benchmarks, better cater to the Phoronix-reading Linux enthusiasts with better and more relevant advertisements, write more researches pieces, etc, the energy costs have more than doubled over the past year!" | Jul 16 20:54 |
| cubexyz | so I'd keep one of those (not likely to happen) | Jul 16 20:54 |
| cubexyz | even though it's not energy efficient, it's historically a very important computer | Jul 16 20:54 |
| cubexyz | some old PDP-11's only get turned on once or twice a month | Jul 16 20:55 |
| cubexyz | but I don't think the microvax was a big power user | Jul 16 20:56 |
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| schestowitz | wb oiaohm | Jul 16 21:00 |
| msb__ | " <MinceR> ronald raygun?" Yeah, he shot Afghanistan just to watch it die. | Jul 16 21:01 |
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| msb__ | MinceR: I don't know if the Taliban he put into power there are clit-cutters, but women certainly have very few right there. | Jul 16 21:03 |
| msb__ | rights | Jul 16 21:03 |
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| MinceR | yeah, islam takes that to the extreme | Jul 16 21:03 |
| msb__ | Of course hundreds of years ago "Christians" tortured to death millions of Goddess adherents. Usually by burning. When the victim was near death the "christians" would pull them up out of the fire, so they'd last longer. | Jul 16 21:05 |
| MinceR | did that goddess have a name? | Jul 16 21:07 |
| msb__ | Then we have Israeli Jews bombing schoolchildren in Gaza with nerve-gas and white phosphorus (burns down to the bone). | Jul 16 21:07 |
| schestowitz | while the world watched Ukraine | Jul 16 21:08 |
| msb__ | Probably, but I don't remember it. | Jul 16 21:08 |
| schestowitz | godless? | Jul 16 21:08 |
| schestowitz | or goddess? | Jul 16 21:08 |
| schestowitz | torture too was typical at the time | Jul 16 21:08 |
| schestowitz | the Spainiards exercised waterboarding | Jul 16 21:08 |
| schestowitz | they just didn't call it that | Jul 16 21:09 |
| schestowitz | they 'converted' a lot of people | Jul 16 21:09 |
| schestowitz | added "Catholic" market share, made the occupied worship the occupier in Europe | Jul 16 21:09 |
| msb__ | Wiccans today celebrate practically every Goddess. Maybe not Kali. | Jul 16 21:10 |
| MinceR | even Wee Jas? | Jul 16 21:11 |
| schestowitz | witches? | Jul 16 21:11 |
| msb__ | sounds like the derivation. | Jul 16 21:13 |
| MinceR | what about Shar? | Jul 16 21:13 |
| msb__ | Wee Jas is fictional in Dungeons and Dragons | Jul 16 21:14 |
| MinceR | which deity isn't fictional? | Jul 16 21:14 |
| msb__ | wiki says both are | Jul 16 21:15 |
| MinceR | as far as i know, all of them are | Jul 16 21:15 |
| cubexyz | Saint IGNUcius of course :) | Jul 16 21:16 |
| schestowitz | RMS if fictional | Jul 16 21:16 |
| schestowitz | so is Chuck Norris | Jul 16 21:17 |
| msb__ | You're gettin' strange, Roy. | Jul 16 21:18 |
| msb__ | That which does not kill me makes me stranger. | Jul 16 21:19 |
| msb__ | And if I look into The Abyss I see a really great movie. | Jul 16 21:20 |
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| msb__ | Read _The Chalice and the Blade_ by Riane Eisler. Talks about Goddess culture, which preceded JCI. Archeological research described there proves that we aren't the inherent bastards we think we are (because the psychopath rulers tell us we are). | Jul 16 21:24 |
| msb__ | That book changed my life. | Jul 16 21:24 |
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| MinceR | "I believe that whatever doesn't kill me only makes me... stranger." | Jul 16 21:29 |
| MinceR | "Whatever doesn't kill you makes you wish it had." | Jul 16 21:29 |
| MinceR | if you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares back at you -- well, too bad for the abyss. | Jul 16 21:30 |
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| msb__ | There is nothing new under the sun, | Jul 16 21:36 |
| msb__ | but there are lots of old things | Jul 16 21:36 |
| msb__ | we don't know yet. | Jul 16 21:36 |
| msb__ | -- Ambrose Bierce | Jul 16 21:36 |
| cubexyz | awesome, modded quasijarus termcap | Jul 16 21:37 |
| cubexyz | the same mod that worked on Unix v8 also works on quasijarus | Jul 16 21:38 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: what is the word derivation of "quasijarus" | Jul 16 21:39 |
| msb__ | ? | Jul 16 21:39 |
| msb__ | And don't tell me it | Jul 16 21:39 |
| msb__ | And don't tell me it's not the actual jarus. | Jul 16 21:39 |
| cubexyz | as far as I know it's just a made up name | Jul 16 21:44 |
| cubexyz | quasijarus is a fork of 4.3BSD-Tahoe | Jul 16 21:48 |
| cubexyz | the last Unix distro by the Computer Systems Research Group | Jul 16 21:49 |
| cubexyz | Michael Sokolov thought of it as a continuation of "True Unix" | Jul 16 21:50 |
| cubexyz | I'm interested in quasijarus for a different reason | Jul 16 21:50 |
| msb__ | With it you can Rule the World? | Jul 16 21:51 |
| cubexyz | I have a research interest in the history of the X Window System | Jul 16 21:51 |
| oiaohm | I allways like that the X11 symbol means not X | Jul 16 21:57 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I guess you know why that is. | Jul 16 21:58 |
| oiaohm | MinceR lot of stuff that the talbain did is not Islam. But the cultures before Islam staying alive. | Jul 16 22:01 |
| cubexyz | because there's a diagonal line in the X? | Jul 16 22:02 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: its Not Xerox | Jul 16 22:03 |
| oiaohm | yes a very historic X11 joke. | Jul 16 22:04 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: http://www.famouslogos.us/xerox-logo/ Look at the 1961 Xerox logo X. Yes Red and cut are both not. | Jul 16 22:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.famouslogos.us | Xerox Logo - Design and History of Xerox Logo | Jul 16 22:07 | |
| cubexyz | I'd really like to have a full microvax emulator | Jul 16 22:17 |
| cubexyz | unfortunately I don't think there is one for Linux | Jul 16 22:18 |
| cubexyz | I'm a bit leary of getting an actual microvax and then having unfixable hardware problems | Jul 16 22:18 |
| cubexyz | 50 pin scsi drives, that's not too hard to find | Jul 16 22:21 |
| cubexyz | LK201 keyboards are a bit harder | Jul 16 22:22 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I have to check my scrap pile. I think I might have a LK201 keyboard. | Jul 16 22:23 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: Ok nothing else to go along with it. | Jul 16 22:23 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: I have 6 Lk201 keyboard | Jul 16 22:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Ubuntu http://t.co/DxBdVAitlm | Jul 16 22:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 16 22:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Ubuntu | Tux Machines | Jul 16 22:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n54vh | Jul 16 22:36 |
| oiaohm | My RC4 just keeps on getting weaker. http://www.rc4nomore.com/vanhoef-usenix2015.pdf | Jul 16 22:46 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Give Your RaspberryPi Night Vision With the | Jul 17 03:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | PiNoir Camera http://t.co/fysIpazs0T | Jul 17 03:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.linux.com) | Jul 17 03:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com | Give Your Raspberry Pi Night Vision With the PiNoir Camera | Linux.com | Jul 17 03:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n56y8 | Jul 17 03:32 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.techrepublic.com/article/alternative-is-the-question-linux-is-the-answer/ | Jul 17 03:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techrepublic.com | Alternative is the question, Linux is the answer - TechRepublic [ http://ur1.ca/n5748 ] | Jul 17 03:59 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 17 03:59 |
| schestowitz | > M$, popularity? | Jul 17 03:59 |
| schestowitz | Must have meant ubiquity, like cigarettes. | Jul 17 03:59 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/deusexstigma/status/621952023873785856 | Jul 17 04:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@deusexstigma: @schestowitz Feds propaganda101..discredit enemy with fake paedo slander | Jul 17 04:09 | |
| schestowitz | a done against @FreeMattDehart @Leann02 @PaulJDeHart - tarnish reputation first, then you tilt the balance of justice | Jul 17 04:10 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/621954665035370496 https://twitter.com/T_Miller_Harper/status/621955103352877056 | Jul 17 04:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: I created my #Debian #Jessie #Reiser4 custom @googlecloud template img w/o #systemd guided by http://t.co/t5mIhfGXFD https://t.co/Zrtv5JB7LD | Jul 17 04:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> without-systemd.org | Without Systemd | Jul 17 04:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #debian without #systemd http://t.co/YfBzljROHW They've redone the page completely | Jul 17 04:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@T_Miller_Harper: @schestowitz I agree with you...The BBC Hard talk show early this morning explained how the corruption works in the backroom. | Jul 17 04:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nowadays makers of games target android (Linux) | Jul 17 04:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/HSjopBzk9b (www.androidpolice.com) | Jul 17 04:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpolice.com | Rovio Announces (Wait For It) Angry Birds 2, Coming To Android On July 30th | Jul 17 04:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/BDM0Q6GwcX (heavy.com) | Jul 17 04:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-heavy.com | When is Fallout Shelter Coming to Android Devices? | Heavy.com | Jul 17 04:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n578w | Jul 17 04:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android was 'probably the best decision Google | Jul 17 04:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ever made' says its former leader | Jul 17 04:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/2phBroKrmR (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 04:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n578x | Jul 17 04:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android was 'probably the best decision Google ever made' says its former leader | Tux Machines | Jul 17 04:16 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Jolla hooks up with Indian phonemaker, launches | Jul 17 04:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sailfish 2.0 http://t.co/FP1LpClX83 | Jul 17 04:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.engadget.com) | Jul 17 04:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com | Jolla hooks up with Indian phonemaker, launches Sailfish 2.0 | Jul 17 04:16 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n578y | Jul 17 04:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Alternative is the question, Linux is the | Jul 17 04:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | answer http://t.co/JfeBdw0icv | Jul 17 04:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.techrepublic.com) | Jul 17 04:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n579z | Jul 17 04:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Hands on review: Sony Android TV | Jul 17 04:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/rpNmUhoWjb (www.smh.com.au) | Jul 17 04:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smh.com.au | Hands on review: Sony Android TV | Jul 17 04:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n57a0 | Jul 17 04:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME 3.17.4 unstable tarballs due | Jul 17 04:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/A5p3QzvWZi (permalink.gmane.org) | Jul 17 04:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n57a1 | Jul 17 04:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-permalink.gmane.org | GNOME 3.17.4 unstable tarballs due | Jul 17 04:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android was 'probably the best decision Google | Jul 17 04:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ever made' says its former leader | Jul 17 04:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/JiqBhzB3IQ (uk.businessinsider.com) | Jul 17 04:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-uk.businessinsider.com | Hugo Barra on Android - Business Insider | Jul 17 04:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | "Barra told Chang" | Jul 17 04:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n57ak | Jul 17 04:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Xubuntu Linux is Being Used to Teach Students | Jul 17 04:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | at Colegio Hispano Americano in Puerto Rico | Jul 17 04:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/RmTXc1gSlo (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 17 04:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Xubuntu Linux Is Being Used to Teach Students at Colegio Hispano Americano in Puerto Rico - Softpedia | Jul 17 04:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n57al | Jul 17 04:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Mint 17.2 "Rafaela" Xfce Edition RC is | Jul 17 04:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Based on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and Xfce 4.12 | Jul 17 04:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/dukWhSQ1ZY (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 17 04:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Mint 17.2 "Rafaela" Xfce Edition RC Is Based on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and Xfce 4.12 - Softpedia | Jul 17 04:22 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Mint 17.2 “Rafaela” KDE RC released! | Jul 17 04:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/lGO4Ts2bIM (blog.linuxmint.com) | Jul 17 04:25 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.linuxmint.com | The Linux Mint Blog » Blog Archive » Linux Mint 17.2 “Rafaela” KDE RC released! | Jul 17 04:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GCC 5.2 Officially Released | Jul 17 04:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/UWqqJrGnU0 (www.phoronix.com) | Jul 17 04:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n57bj | Jul 17 04:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | GCC 5.2 Officially Released - Phoronix | Jul 17 04:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME's Tracker Search Engine Reaches Version | Jul 17 04:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 1.5.0 with Multiple Fixes | Jul 17 04:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/oPJek7fwDl (linux.softpedia.com) | Jul 17 04:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | GNOME's Tracker Search Engine Reaches Version 1.5.0 with Multiple Fixes - Softpedia | Jul 17 04:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n57bl | Jul 17 04:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines OpenELEC 6.0 Beta 3 Is Based on Linux Kernel | Jul 17 04:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 4.1 and Kodi 15.0 "Isengard" RC2 | Jul 17 04:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/JSDi0zjPM7 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 04:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OpenELEC 6.0 Beta 3 Is Based on Linux Kernel 4.1 and Kodi 15.0 "Isengard" RC2 | Tux Machines | Jul 17 04:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Alternative is the question, Linux is the | Jul 17 04:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | answer http://t.co/3FWJB1xNrM | Jul 17 04:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 04:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Alternative is the question, Linux is the answer | Tux Machines | Jul 17 04:26 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines MeX Linux Distro Is Now Based on Linux Mint | Jul 17 04:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 17.2, Ubuntu 15.04, and Debian 8 | Jul 17 04:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/wKztSHOb3t (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 04:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | MeX Linux Distro Is Now Based on Linux Mint 17.2, Ubuntu 15.04, and Debian 8 | Tux Machines | Jul 17 04:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Here Are the New Beautified Monochromatic Icons | Jul 17 04:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of Ubuntu Linux http://t.co/ZqU89h1GZp | Jul 17 04:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 04:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Here Are the New Beautified Monochromatic Icons of Ubuntu Linux | Tux Machines | Jul 17 04:26 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Samsung Z3 is the developer giveaway at the | Jul 17 04:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tizen Developer Summit 2015 | Jul 17 04:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/WvU5kSh7pq (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 04:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Samsung Z3 is the developer giveaway at the Tizen Developer Summit 2015 | Tux Machines | Jul 17 04:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Shashlik: A New Way To Run Android Apps On | Jul 17 04:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux http://t.co/y49h33pv1k (www.phoronix.com) | Jul 17 04:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Shashlik: A New Way To Run Android Apps On Linux - Phoronix | Jul 17 04:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines These are the 10 most powerful Android phones | Jul 17 04:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | in the world http://t.co/doWSR6AVW4 (bgr.com) | Jul 17 04:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com | Top 10 Android Phones, Based on Performance | BGR | Jul 17 04:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n57d7 | Jul 17 04:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nvidia GRID adds high-end Linux power to any | Jul 17 04:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | device http://t.co/lq7hozG968 | Jul 17 04:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.pcr-online.biz) | Jul 17 04:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcr-online.biz | Nvidia GRID adds high-end Linux power to any device | The latest news from the Computer and IT Industry | PC Retail | Jul 17 04:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE Devs Working to Bring Android Apps on Linux | Jul 17 04:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/QBh60mxALz (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 17 04:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | KDE Devs Working to Bring Android Apps on Linux - Softpedia | Jul 17 04:37 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Evolution Open-Source Groupware Client Receives | Jul 17 04:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Massive Update for GNOME 3.16 | Jul 17 04:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Kw7jkcvOys (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 17 04:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Evolution Open-Source Groupware Client Receives Massive Update for GNOME 3.16 - Softpedia | Jul 17 04:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n57e7 | Jul 17 04:37 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @WiproOS favourited 'Evolution Open-Source Groupware Client Receives Massive Update for...' | Jul 17 04:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Docker 1.7.1 Open-Source Linux Container Engine | Jul 17 04:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Has Better Support for CentOS 6.6 | Jul 17 04:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/RpFPSO23C6 (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 17 04:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Docker 1.7.1 Open-Source Linux Container Engine Has Better Support for CentOS 6.6 - Softpedia | Jul 17 04:38 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Number of Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition | Jul 17 04:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Invitations Has Tripled http://t.co/huPStypy9A | Jul 17 04:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | The Number of Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition Invitations Has Tripled - Softpedia | Jul 17 04:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 17 04:39 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi favourited 'These are the 10 most powerful Android phones...' | Jul 17 04:39 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi retweeted @tuxmachines: 'These are the 10 most powerful Android phones...' | Jul 17 04:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Beautiful Chapeau 22.1 Linux Distro Out Now to | Jul 17 04:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Fix Issues with the Korora 22 Repos | Jul 17 04:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/hqnfLbQ1jo (linux.softpedia.com) | Jul 17 04:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Beautiful Chapeau 22.1 Linux Distro Out Now to Fix Issues with the Korora 22 Repos - Softpedia | Jul 17 04:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n57f2 | Jul 17 04:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Gets the Latest | Jul 17 04:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | LibreOffice 5.0 RC3 http://t.co/AIFBAyRvyL | Jul 17 04:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Gets the Latest LibreOffice 5.0 RC3 - Softpedia | Jul 17 04:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linux.softpedia.com) | Jul 17 04:43 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leaked images of Samsung Z3 with Tizen 3.0? We | Jul 17 04:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | don’t think so http://t.co/P5kZKAH1rH | Jul 17 04:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tizenexperts.com) | Jul 17 04:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | [Pictures] Leaked images of Samsung Z3 with Tizen 3.0? We don't think so - Tizen Experts | Jul 17 04:43 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Samsung’s Brings New Tizen based JS7000 4K SUHD | Jul 17 04:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Smart TV to the Masses http://t.co/eM3OdZNkhS | Jul 17 04:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tizenexperts.com) | Jul 17 04:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Samsung’s Brings New Tizen based JS7000 4K SUHD Smart TV to the Masses - Tizen Experts | Jul 17 04:43 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines OpenELEC 6.0 Beta 3 Is Based on Linux Kernel | Jul 17 04:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 4.1 and Kodi 15.0 "Isengard" RC2 | Jul 17 04:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Y6f2tRFklg (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 17 04:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | OpenELEC 6.0 Beta 3 Is Based on Linux Kernel 4.1 and Kodi 15.0 "Isengard" RC2 - Softpedia | Jul 17 04:43 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi favourited 'Shashlik: A New Way To Run Android Apps...' | Jul 17 04:43 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Shashlik: A New Way To Run Android Apps...' | Jul 17 04:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines MeX Linux Distro Is Now Based on Linux Mint | Jul 17 04:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 17.2, Ubuntu 15.04, and Debian 8 | Jul 17 04:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/aPprvOGNMT (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 17 04:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | MeX Linux Distro Is Now Based on Linux Mint 17.2, Ubuntu 15.04, and Debian 8 - Softpedia | Jul 17 04:45 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Here Are the New Beautified Monochromatic Icons | Jul 17 04:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of Ubuntu Linux http://t.co/25BkbFJ9vS | Jul 17 04:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Here Are the New Beautified Monochromatic Icons of Ubuntu Linux - Softpedia | Jul 17 04:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linux.softpedia.com) | Jul 17 04:45 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi favourited 'GNOME's Tracker Search Engine Reaches Version 1.5.0 with...' | Jul 17 04:45 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi retweeted @tuxmachines: 'GNOME's Tracker Search Engine Reaches Version 1.5.0 with...' | Jul 17 04:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android was 'probably the best decision Google | Jul 17 04:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by ever made' says its former leader | Jul 17 04:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @RamiSilawi http://t.co/JiqBhzB3IQ (uk.businessinsider.com) | Jul 17 04:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-uk.businessinsider.com | Hugo Barra on Android - Business Insider | Jul 17 04:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | "Barra told Chang" | Jul 17 04:51 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/621957423520174080 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/621957679976718336 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/621957911275773952 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/621958146236510209 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/621958373349687296 | Jul 17 04:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Android was 'probably the best decision Google ever made' says its former leader http://t.co/6HKCJccPd6 "Barra told Chang" | Jul 17 04:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Xubuntu Linux is Being Used to Teach Students at Colegio Hispano Americano in #PuertoRico http://t.co/eU1BtY2ppV #gnu #linux | Jul 17 04:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Xubuntu Linux Is Being Used to Teach Students at Colegio Hispano Americano in Puerto Rico - Softpedia | Jul 17 04:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Linux Mint 17.2 "Rafaela" Xfce Edition RC is Based on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and Xfce 4.12 http://t.co/xAmnjyaQJG #linuxmint #gnu #linux | Jul 17 04:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Linux Mint 17.2 "Rafaela" Xfce Edition RC Is Based on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and Xfce 4.12 - Softpedia | Jul 17 04:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Linux Mint 17.2 “Rafaela” KDE RC released! http://t.co/bsR63Ph3CD #kde #linuxmint #gnu #linux | Jul 17 04:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blog.linuxmint.com | The Linux Mint Blog » Blog Archive » Linux Mint 17.2 “Rafaela” KDE RC released! | Jul 17 04:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: GCC 5.2 Officially Released http://t.co/iLK0qrCjWJ #gcc #gnu #programming #c #cplusplus | Jul 17 04:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.phoronix.com | GCC 5.2 Officially Released - Phoronix | Jul 17 04:53 | |
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| r_schestowitz | tessier: http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/linus-torvalds-takes-fighter-jet-flights-to-relax-in-between-linux-kernel-pulls-487145.shtml | Jul 17 05:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Linus Torvalds Takes Fighter Jet Flights to Relax in Between Linux Kernel Pulls - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/n57ud ] | Jul 17 05:50 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6353440 | Jul 17 05:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: The world’s first ‘true Android PC’ costs just $20 http://bgr.com/2015/07/15/remix-mini-android-pc-kickstarter/ #android #linux | Jul 17 05:53 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> bgr.com | Remix Mini Android PC Kickstarter | BGR [ http://ur1.ca/n57uz ] | Jul 17 05:53 | |
| r_schestowitz | "why not. will they depend on Google for their android remix? Why do they not use cyanogen mod as a base?" | Jul 17 05:53 |
| r_schestowitz | "Replicant or Paranoid Android ?" | Jul 17 05:53 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6354377 | Jul 17 05:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Alternative is the question, Linux is the answer http://www.techrepublic.com/article/alternative-is-the-question-linux-is-the-answer/ #gnu #linux | Jul 17 05:55 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techrepublic.com | Alternative is the question, Linux is the answer - TechRepublic [ http://ur1.ca/n5748 ] | Jul 17 05:55 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jul 17 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | How could linux be an alternative to windows ? | Jul 17 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | It’s so very different. Same with Diaspora and Facebok. Diaspora isn’t an alternative. | Jul 17 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jul 17 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | Wallen also calls Microsoft "popular" | Jul 17 05:55 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6354615 | Jul 17 05:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Mozilla Winter of Security is back! https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2015/07/15/mozilla-winter-of-security-is-back/ looks like some kind of #iceweasel logo | Jul 17 05:56 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blog.mozilla.org | Mozilla Winter of Security is back! | Mozilla Security Blog [ http://ur1.ca/n57vf ] | Jul 17 05:56 | |
| r_schestowitz | "|nice idea, exchanged the logo and it looks neat." | Jul 17 05:56 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6354338 | Jul 17 05:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #uk public brainwashed by corporate media and tricked into believing that government should treat us all like kids... because terrorism! | Jul 17 05:56 | |
| r_schestowitz | "NLP ! COMMON PURPOSE ,TAVISTOCK INSTITUTE,MASONIC BOOM etc, most so dumbed down with fluoride and vaccine neuro toxins their brains are not working so well and if they are ,people can be individually targeted with microwaves etc" | Jul 17 05:56 |
| r_schestowitz | LOL | Jul 17 05:56 |
| r_schestowitz | crazy shit | Jul 17 05:56 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/621980370871951360 | Jul 17 05:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz hehe :D | Jul 17 05:57 | |
| r_schestowitz | There IS such a thing as too much money... | Jul 17 05:57 |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: too much money printed equal hyper inflation. | Jul 17 05:58 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6354285 | Jul 17 05:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #debian without #systemd http://www.devuan.org/ They've redone the page completely | Jul 17 05:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.devuan.org | Devuan GNU/Linux - Debian without systemd. | Jul 17 05:58 | |
| r_schestowitz | "From what I can see, systemd still gets installed as a dependency, but not as the init program (according to the man page, if run other than as init, it will pass signals through to the actual init)." | Jul 17 05:58 |
| r_schestowitz | oiaohm: but that's different | Jul 17 05:58 |
| r_schestowitz | oiaohm: what I meant was (see context), torvalds not sure what to do with the money | Jul 17 05:58 |
| r_schestowitz | he just needs a PC with monitor | Jul 17 05:58 |
| r_schestowitz | but earns a lot for it | Jul 17 05:58 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/621982211861020672 | Jul 17 05:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz yes there is… | Jul 17 05:59 | |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: that is the thing about systemd it was designed to be able to operate even if it don't have PID1 | Jul 17 06:00 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @tokvbok retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Gets the Latest LibreOffice...' | Jul 17 06:01 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 17/7/2015: Linux Mint 17.2 RC, Google | Jul 17 06:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Joins OpenStack http://t.co/8PudhEXFcE | Jul 17 06:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (techrights.org) | Jul 17 06:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n57xf | Jul 17 06:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/5XH7WUvGHd | Jul 17 06:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 06:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz | Jul 17 06:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n57tj | Jul 17 06:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 17/7/2015: Linux Mint 17.2 RC, Google Joins OpenStack | Techrights | Jul 17 06:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jul 17 06:02 | |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: the big issue about systemd that started a lot of complains was lack of cross platform. | Jul 17 06:02 |
| tessier | Cool | Jul 17 06:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: OSS http://t.co/xSWzidxF92 | Jul 17 07:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 07:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: OSS | Tux Machines | Jul 17 07:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n58cq | Jul 17 07:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/6VN49QSavs | Jul 17 07:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 07:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Jul 17 07:06 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/C1LF92KgW7 | Jul 17 07:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 07:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 17 07:06 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Major Update Confirmed for July 20 | Jul 17 08:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch Major Update Confirmed for July 20 | Tux Machines | Jul 17 08:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/YlCN0uYJ5i | Jul 17 08:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jul 17 08:05 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jul 17 08:05 | |
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| MinceR | http://blog.lenovo.com/en/blog/retro-thinkpad-survey-2-displays-keyboard/ | Jul 17 12:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.lenovo.com | Retro ThinkPad Survey 2: Displays, Keyboard, and More | Lenovo [ http://ur1.ca/n5b7v ] | Jul 17 12:29 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6353440 | Jul 17 12:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: The world’s first ‘true Android PC’ costs just $20 http://bgr.com/2015/07/15/remix-mini-android-pc-kickstarter/ #android #linux | Jul 17 12:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> bgr.com | Remix Mini Android PC Kickstarter | BGR [ http://ur1.ca/n57uz ] | Jul 17 12:38 | |
| r_schestowitz | "GNU/Linux or FreeBSD? These are real operating systems." | Jul 17 12:38 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jul 17 12:38 |
| r_schestowitz | Android is based on GNU / Linux | Jul 17 12:38 |
| r_schestowitz | huhu | Jul 17 12:38 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jul 17 12:38 |
| MinceR | not nearly as much GNU as Linux | Jul 17 12:41 |
| r_schestowitz | Android is based on GNU / Linux | Jul 17 12:48 |
| r_schestowitz | huhu | Jul 17 12:48 |
| r_schestowitz | Jul 17 12:48 | |
| r_schestowitz | Android is based on GNU / Linux | Jul 17 12:48 |
| r_schestowitz | huhu | Jul 17 12:48 |
| r_schestowitz | Jul 17 12:48 | |
| r_schestowitz | Android is based on GNU / Linux | Jul 17 12:48 |
| r_schestowitz | huhu | Jul 17 12:48 |
| r_schestowitz | crap | Jul 17 12:48 |
| r_schestowitz | sorry | Jul 17 12:48 |
| r_schestowitz | paste malfunction | Jul 17 12:48 |
| r_schestowitz | Unity has no klipper-like thing | Jul 17 12:48 |
| r_schestowitz | as far as I know | Jul 17 12:49 |
| r_schestowitz | which makes it hard to use | Jul 17 12:49 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 17 12:49 |
| MinceR | if you have a systray-compatible tray, you could run klipper or clipit or parcellite or similar | Jul 17 12:50 |
| cubexyz | I'm using wall (modified) to pass messages between computers | Jul 17 12:52 |
| MinceR | i had the idea to develop a web and/or text ui-based networked "clipboard" application, but have yet to get around to actually doing it | Jul 17 12:55 |
| cubexyz | ssh or telnet + wall == method that works for every *nix since v7 | Jul 17 12:58 |
| cubexyz | er, not v7 actually | Jul 17 12:59 |
| cubexyz | every *nix that has tcp/ip I should say | Jul 17 12:59 |
| cubexyz | so I can telnet into quasijarus and wall from there if necessary | Jul 17 13:00 |
| cubexyz | 4.3 BSD Quasijarus UNIX #3: Sat Feb 14 20:31:03 PST 2004 | Jul 17 13:02 |
| MinceR | vim in screen -x would work too | Jul 17 13:06 |
| MinceR | though an approach where i could limit what the interface can do from less trusted computers would be nice | Jul 17 13:07 |
| MinceR | http://imgur.com/gallery/K16xk93 | Jul 17 13:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-imgur.com | Truth - Imgur | Jul 17 13:08 | |
| cubexyz | stupid quasijarus uses 19xx for the year | Jul 17 13:17 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 17 13:18 |
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| cubexyz | ah, I'm incorrect | Jul 17 14:10 |
| cubexyz | 4.3 BSD Quasijarus UNIX | Jul 17 14:12 |
| cubexyz | Fri Jul 17 17:11:37 EST 2015 | Jul 17 14:12 |
| cubexyz | had to set it manually | Jul 17 14:12 |
| cubexyz | evidently there's no netcat and no ntp | Jul 17 14:13 |
| cubexyz | not sure why it was showing 2004 before | Jul 17 14:14 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines FreeBSD Developers Arguing Over Their New Code | Jul 17 15:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of Conduct http://t.co/QgcH73qbXk | Jul 17 15:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FreeBSD Developers Arguing Over Their New Code of Conduct | Tux Machines | Jul 17 15:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Intel Celeron N3050 Braswell Linux Performance | Jul 17 15:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/PYDxpUmHeu (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 15:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n5csn | Jul 17 15:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Intel Celeron N3050 Braswell Linux Performance | Tux Machines | Jul 17 15:09 | |
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| MinceR | https://twitter.com/ieure/status/614130731770617856 | Jul 17 15:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ieure: Ah, finally got my Emacs setup just how I like it. http://t.co/f0B10cZybh | Jul 17 15:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ieure: Ah, finally got my Emacs setup just how I like it. http://t.co/f0B10cZybh | Jul 17 15:37 | |
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| cubexyz | clearly the nature successor to quasijarus was the BSDs: OpenBSD, NetBSD, FreeBSD | Jul 17 15:38 |
| cubexyz | s/nature/natural/ | Jul 17 15:39 |
| cubexyz | the lineage is quite clear | Jul 17 15:39 |
| cubexyz | utilities that seem new to me in quasijarus are in OpenBSD but not Linux | Jul 17 15:39 |
| cubexyz | so a lot of the Bell Labs v6/v7 folks became BSD people | Jul 17 15:40 |
| cubexyz | not saying OpenBSD is better than Linux as a desktop though | Jul 17 15:41 |
| cubexyz | but it is a lot different | Jul 17 15:41 |
| cubexyz | Linux had something extra, more commercial development, e.g. Loki and LGP and Steam | Jul 17 15:43 |
| cubexyz | the hippies kind of beat the suits so to speak, at least from my point of view | Jul 17 15:45 |
| cubexyz | hippies == Linux/BSD | Jul 17 15:46 |
| cubexyz | suits = AIX, Solaris, etc | Jul 17 15:46 |
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| cubexyz | it was possible to run a 4.3BSD on a microvax, but the thing was they were really expensive, like over 25K$ | Jul 17 15:57 |
| cubexyz | around 1987... same for Sun machines at the time, very expensive | Jul 17 15:57 |
| cubexyz | so instead I had my crappy 286 running Xenix which kind of sucked | Jul 17 15:59 |
| cubexyz | just to give people an idea about just how crap that era was... you had to pay SCO $1K for the compiler | Jul 17 16:00 |
| cubexyz | so sure, you had a AT&T SysV at a relatively affordable price but... | Jul 17 16:01 |
| cubexyz | no TCP/IP just uucp | Jul 17 16:01 |
| cubexyz | no X Window System | Jul 17 16:01 |
| cubexyz | no source code to speak of | Jul 17 16:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tizen Dev Tools Version 15.01 Released | Jul 17 16:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tizen Dev Tools Version 15.01 Released | Tux Machines | Jul 17 16:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LibreOffice GTK3 On Wayland Starts To Work | Jul 17 16:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice GTK3 On Wayland Starts To Work | Tux Machines | Jul 17 16:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat Makes Progress On Firefox Native For | Jul 17 16:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Wayland http://t.co/F6UD9FdiTY | Jul 17 16:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 16:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat Makes Progress On Firefox Native For Wayland | Tux Machines | Jul 17 16:02 | |
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| cubexyz | Tanenbaum got a huge grant back in 2008 to produce a reliable operating system ($3.2 million) | Jul 17 16:23 |
| cubexyz | the kernel is bigger than I thought, 3.3 is 12,700 lines of code | Jul 17 16:23 |
| cubexyz | so qemu minix 3.3 is on the cards | Jul 17 16:24 |
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| cubexyz | ok, liking minix 3.3 so far | Jul 17 17:23 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition Review | Jul 17 18:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/wMQWI6vveZ (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 18:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition Review | Tux Machines | Jul 17 18:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Daily Builds for Ubuntu 15.10 Return After One | Jul 17 18:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Month of Absence http://t.co/k71v5YCXNG | Jul 17 18:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Daily Builds for Ubuntu 15.10 Return After One Month of Absence | Tux Machines | Jul 17 18:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Acer Chromebook 15 for Linux and Wimbledon | Jul 17 18:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/zeAT6VEA6C (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 18:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Acer Chromebook 15 for Linux and Wimbledon | Tux Machines | Jul 17 18:37 | |
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| cubexyz | oiaohm, I'm testing Minix 3.3 today | Jul 17 18:58 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: its fun other than lack of drivers | Jul 17 19:10 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: mozilla has firefox working on wayland and redhat has libreoffice allmost. | Jul 17 19:11 |
| oiaohm | So we are up to the point were applications are now being conveted with wayland. | Jul 17 19:18 |
| MinceR | pity firefox is going to hell | Jul 17 19:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Firefox OS fork “H5OS” gets a $100 million | Jul 17 19:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | boost http://t.co/Jmh9adv39D | Jul 17 19:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Firefox OS fork “H5OS” gets a $100 million boost | Tux Machines | Jul 17 19:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Here is the video of Linus Torvalds riding a | Jul 17 19:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | fighter jet http://t.co/eQXJe5I2jU | Jul 17 19:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 19:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Here is the video of Linus Torvalds riding a fighter jet | Tux Machines | Jul 17 19:22 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat News http://t.co/75TULTqCq9 | Jul 17 19:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 17 19:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat News | Tux Machines | Jul 17 19:22 | |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: really firefox has been a problem child. Its like Openssl lack of resources. | Jul 17 19:52 |
| MinceR | it's worse | Jul 17 19:52 |
| MinceR | they're adding all sorts of evil crap and removing useful UI settings | Jul 17 19:53 |
| oiaohm | If you mean XUL and XBL in useful setting that is a resources problem and something has to give. | Jul 17 19:54 |
| MinceR | i mean the cisco blob, Extremely Malicious Extensions and the Pocket blob | Jul 17 19:55 |
| MinceR | oh, in useful settings i mean stuff like enable/disable javascript and specifying what javascript is allowed to do with the windows | Jul 17 19:55 |
| oiaohm | Cisco blob has full source code. Shipping from Cisco gives the patent license. | Jul 17 19:56 |
| oiaohm | Pocket Blob I can see direct problem with. | Jul 17 19:56 |
| oiaohm | https://wiki.mozilla.org/Media/EME MinceR EME blob vs having a Flash plugin | Jul 17 19:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wiki.mozilla.org | Media/EME - MozillaWiki | Jul 17 19:57 | |
| MinceR | yeah, i don't care for cisco's patent bullshit | Jul 17 19:57 |
| MinceR | or whatever they put in the blob that's not in the published sources | Jul 17 19:57 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its not cisco patent bullshit. | Jul 17 19:57 |
| MinceR | i don't care for the Trash excuse either | Jul 17 19:57 |
| oiaohm | Its Microsoft and the group of trolls who would have firefox binarys removed from servers if they shipped with the opensource bit. | Jul 17 19:58 |
| MinceR | and i don't like how mozilla is giving up everything it used to stand for for the sake of market share | Jul 17 19:58 |
| oiaohm | Cisco blob is a side effect of Microsoft evil. | Jul 17 19:58 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft and apples evil. | Jul 17 19:58 |
| MinceR | well yeah, one principal problem is TBL and the w3c selling out to micro$oft and the rest of the fascists | Jul 17 19:58 |
| MinceR | and mozilla is not standing against them either | Jul 17 19:58 |
| oiaohm | Mozilla has stood up against them quite a lot. | Jul 17 19:59 |
| MinceR | html5 has been poisoned and it's time to fork the web and take it away from these criminals | Jul 17 19:59 |
| MinceR | yeah, a while ago | Jul 17 19:59 |
| MinceR | then they gave up | Jul 17 19:59 |
| oiaohm | Still are. | Jul 17 19:59 |
| oiaohm | But there come a point where you are stuck. | Jul 17 19:59 |
| MinceR | they gave up to the point that now they started pulling in the Pocket blob nobody asked them to | Jul 17 19:59 |
| oiaohm | Allow EME then Flash can be terminated | Jul 17 19:59 |
| MinceR | which won't help you at all | Jul 17 19:59 |
| oiaohm | Pocket blob is about funding for development. | Jul 17 19:59 |
| MinceR | since now your entire web is a closed blob of shit | Jul 17 20:00 |
| MinceR | before then you could just disable Trash or not install it and have an open web | Jul 17 20:00 |
| oiaohm | Mozilla is still shipping EME free firefox. | Jul 17 20:00 |
| MinceR | afaik they support EME | Jul 17 20:00 |
| oiaohm | And Mozilla still include a EME off switch. | Jul 17 20:00 |
| MinceR | that's not the right way | Jul 17 20:00 |
| oiaohm | So EME is no different to the flash plugin. | Jul 17 20:01 |
| oiaohm | Except it cannot do anywhere near as much. | Jul 17 20:01 |
| MinceR | it can do just as much | Jul 17 20:01 |
| MinceR | it enables the fascists to encrypt the entire website and serve it only to browsers they happen to like | Jul 17 20:01 |
| MinceR | and then you have to break the DRM to access the website | Jul 17 20:01 |
| MinceR | or run their malware | Jul 17 20:01 |
| cubexyz | there are some bad sites, yes | Jul 17 20:02 |
| oiaohm | EME under firefox is only on video streams MinceR | Jul 17 20:02 |
| cubexyz | it's been like that for a while though | Jul 17 20:02 |
| MinceR | and of course if someone ships a browser that breaks the DRM, they'll get sued using DMCA/WCT | Jul 17 20:02 |
| oiaohm | Flash could be images and other crap as well MinceR | Jul 17 20:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so yes it has reduced area. | Jul 17 20:02 |
| MinceR | for how long? | Jul 17 20:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: for ever. | Jul 17 20:03 |
| MinceR | for how long must we keep appeasing fascists? | Jul 17 20:03 |
| MinceR | it didn't work with hitler either | Jul 17 20:03 |
| MinceR | it won't work with putler, it won't work with m$/crApple/mpeg-la | Jul 17 20:03 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: with EME the fascists were not particularly happy either. The standard states that the plugin must run in a sandbox so not able to access the host OS. | Jul 17 20:05 |
| MinceR | it's not like they didn't ignore the standards before when it suited them | Jul 17 20:05 |
| cubexyz | oh boy, that didn't really go well | Jul 17 20:06 |
| cubexyz | Minix is.... ugh, I hate to say not ready | Jul 17 20:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the standard also states open source versions of EME are allowed. | Jul 17 20:06 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: so i've heard | Jul 17 20:07 |
| oiaohm | Lets say it did not really go that well MinceR | Jul 17 20:07 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: "are allowed" won't do anything | Jul 17 20:07 |
| MinceR | the companies who keep the w3c in their pocket and pass shit like this avoid free software whenever they can | Jul 17 20:07 |
| oiaohm | Places like netflicks and so on said they would not give content to webbrowsers without it. If need they would drop out of using browsers completely. | Jul 17 20:08 |
| cubexyz | DRM always gets broken | Jul 17 20:08 |
| MinceR | it's better if they stop using browsers | Jul 17 20:08 |
| MinceR | at least then their malware runs outside the browser | Jul 17 20:08 |
| MinceR | without all the unnecessary UI elements around it | Jul 17 20:09 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: cubexyz is correct. In a define sandbox in fact the DRM is more attackable. | Jul 17 20:09 |
| MinceR | of course it always gets broken | Jul 17 20:09 |
| MinceR | but those who ship a browser that breaks it will be subject to lawsuits | Jul 17 20:09 |
| cubexyz | we've been through all this before with DVD-Jon | Jul 17 20:10 |
| MinceR | so for most users the choice will appear to be "run IE (or equivalent) or have no access to our site" | Jul 17 20:10 |
| oiaohm | What you just stated is exaclty what Mozilla faced if it did not agree some what. | Jul 17 20:10 |
| oiaohm | And what was already happening to firefox. | Jul 17 20:11 |
| MinceR | at least we could have a standard free browser | Jul 17 20:11 |
| MinceR | and that could be a basis for a truly open set of web standards | Jul 17 20:11 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Microsoft Silverlight was required to access a lot of the sites that have agreed to use EME | Jul 17 20:12 |
| MinceR | silver lie is dead. | Jul 17 20:12 |
| MinceR | even m$ gave up on it. | Jul 17 20:12 |
| oiaohm | Yet contect providers were using it up until 8 months ago. | Jul 17 20:12 |
| oiaohm | Reason why pipelight exists on Linux. | Jul 17 20:13 |
| MinceR | at least silver lie and trash keeps the infection to a few sites | Jul 17 20:13 |
| oiaohm | EME is about killing off silverlight and flash. | Jul 17 20:13 |
| MinceR | the way html5 is going, it will be everywhere. | Jul 17 20:13 |
| cubexyz | silverlight was EOLed was it not? | Jul 17 20:13 |
| MinceR | "killing off" silver lie and Trash like this will accomplish exactly nothing | Jul 17 20:13 |
| MinceR | it just turns html/css/js into another Trash/silver lie | Jul 17 20:14 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: content providers obey EOL statements they don't as long as it still shipping there were going to keep on using it. Welcome to security hole from hell. | Jul 17 20:14 |
| MinceR | it's like everyone making flash sites. | Jul 17 20:14 |
| cubexyz | got to keep the software churn going for windows 11 :) | Jul 17 20:14 |
| MinceR | they don't care about security | Jul 17 20:14 |
| MinceR | they never did | Jul 17 20:14 |
| oiaohm | dealing with content providers is like hurding cats not simple. | Jul 17 20:15 |
| cubexyz | everytime I think... it's time for Minix... it disappoints | Jul 17 20:15 |
| MinceR | and by the way, alleged "free software" downloading and running random native code blobs whenever websites feel like it won't be any good for security. | Jul 17 20:15 |
| MinceR | it shouldn't be herding cats, it should be exterminating pests. | Jul 17 20:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I live in Australia wild cats you hurd them then kill them. | Jul 17 20:16 |
| MinceR | also, running random blobs won't be any good for freedom, either | Jul 17 20:16 |
| oiaohm | First stage of hurding the content provoiders was getting them off writing there own custom secuirty browser plugins. | Jul 17 20:17 |
| MinceR | at least you had to install Trash and silver lie manually | Jul 17 20:17 |
| oiaohm | Next is reduce them down to 1. | Jul 17 20:17 |
| cubexyz | I think I had less trouble getting quasijarus to work than Minix | Jul 17 20:17 |
| MinceR | now we have allegedly free browsers just deciding on their own to download, install and run malware. | Jul 17 20:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the pocket thing I did not agree with. | Jul 17 20:17 |
| MinceR | chrome also did it with their always listening voice bullshit. | Jul 17 20:17 |
| MinceR | even in chromium. | Jul 17 20:17 |
| oiaohm | That chromium one is a warning. | Jul 17 20:18 |
| oiaohm | http://thehackernews.com/2015/06/webassembly-fastest-browser.html | Jul 17 20:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thehackernews.com | WebAssembly — New Standard for Powerful and Faster Web Apps [ http://ur1.ca/n5fqz ] | Jul 17 20:18 | |
| MinceR | yeah | Jul 17 20:18 |
| MinceR | and we'd better heed that warning | Jul 17 20:19 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that vocie thing is NACL. | Jul 17 20:19 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter | Jul 17 20:19 |
| oiaohm | O it does matter. | Jul 17 20:19 |
| MinceR | any non-trivial software has bugs | Jul 17 20:19 |
| MinceR | any sandbox can be broken | Jul 17 20:19 |
| oiaohm | What is the updated replacemtn to NACL. | Jul 17 20:19 |
| MinceR | we shouldn't be running random code willy-nilly all the time. | Jul 17 20:19 |
| oiaohm | What I just linked to MinceR | Jul 17 20:19 |
| oiaohm | The strongest possible DRM is a DRM that is part of the stream. | Jul 17 20:19 |
| MinceR | especially when it comes from fascist corporations that love DRM and invasion of privacy | Jul 17 20:20 |
| MinceR | no, the strongest possible DRM is when general purpose computers are illegal and you have an appliance only the government/megacorporation has root on. | Jul 17 20:20 |
| oiaohm | How to you universally crack something where each user gets a unique edition. | Jul 17 20:20 |
| MinceR | and we're going that way. | Jul 17 20:20 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, impossible | Jul 17 20:20 |
| MinceR | that's what Treacherous Computing, UEFI and intel boot guard are all about. | Jul 17 20:20 |
| cubexyz | it will never get that bad | Jul 17 20:20 |
| MinceR | it will, unless the people resist in time. | Jul 17 20:21 |
| MinceR | oh, also, "app stores" | Jul 17 20:21 |
| MinceR | of the crApple kind | Jul 17 20:21 |
| oiaohm | People are voting with feet and going Android more often. | Jul 17 20:21 |
| MinceR | and android usually tended towards becoming more closed | Jul 17 20:21 |
| MinceR | android M might be an exception | Jul 17 20:22 |
| MinceR | but it's too early to call, imo | Jul 17 20:22 |
| oiaohm | For some reason users do like the fact they can install more than 1 app store. | Jul 17 20:22 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: 40 percent of all Android sold is ASOP without google bits. | Jul 17 20:22 |
| MinceR | and people who are forcing DRM at any cost dislike that fact | Jul 17 20:22 |
| oiaohm | Note what I said MinceR | Jul 17 20:22 |
| oiaohm | People are voting with their feet with Android. | Jul 17 20:22 |
| MinceR | meanwhile google is moving formerly AOSP components to google play-dependent closed android. | Jul 17 20:22 |
| MinceR | and they're forcing the non-google AOSP users ever more strongly | Jul 17 20:23 |
| oiaohm | And companies making AOSP devices are using open source play inteface replacements. | Jul 17 20:23 |
| MinceR | and the other mobile platforms are even worse | Jul 17 20:23 |
| cubexyz | zaurus had openbsd | Jul 17 20:23 |
| oiaohm | Google is in a dog fight MinceR | Jul 17 20:23 |
| MinceR | zaurus is ancient and not manufactured anymore, afaik | Jul 17 20:23 |
| MinceR | yeah, and we'll lose that dog fight if things keep going this way | Jul 17 20:24 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://github.com/microg | Jul 17 20:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | μg Project · GitHub | Jul 17 20:25 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Note 2 years ago AOSP was only 25 percent of Android sales. | Jul 17 20:25 |
| MinceR | does it provide a drop-in replacement for Google Play Services? | Jul 17 20:25 |
| oiaohm | For what is implemented microg is drop in replacement to applciations. | Jul 17 20:26 |
| MinceR | applications that depend on Google Play Services will still fail | Jul 17 20:26 |
| oiaohm | Yes the application thinks it talking to google play services but microg is answering. | Jul 17 20:26 |
| MinceR | that's nice | Jul 17 20:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: applications that depend on features of google play services that microg have not implemented yet fail. But this is also true of new applicaiton on old phone that has not updated. | Jul 17 20:27 |
| oiaohm | microg is being supported from developers from companies making AOSP phones. | Jul 17 20:28 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so Android is not as cut and dried as people attempt to make out. You want to suppor the open side buy ASOP phones. | Jul 17 20:29 |
| oiaohm | I would like to see ASOP sales cross 50 percent. | Jul 17 20:30 |
| MinceR | i haven't seen many AOSP phones | Jul 17 20:31 |
| MinceR | though afaik they're common in red china | Jul 17 20:31 |
| MinceR | due to the government pissing off google, i suppose | Jul 17 20:31 |
| oiaohm | https://github.com/microg/JGooglePlay This bit is the most funny MinceR | Jul 17 20:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | microg/JGooglePlay · GitHub | Jul 17 20:31 | |
| oiaohm | So not only can a microg phone run most apps without google play services installed it can still download them from google play. | Jul 17 20:31 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 17 20:32 |
| MinceR | is it subject to the google play backdoor this way? | Jul 17 20:32 |
| oiaohm | No they reverse engenering client. | Jul 17 20:32 |
| MinceR | awesome | Jul 17 20:32 |
| MinceR | i wonder how long will google allow it to remain compatible | Jul 17 20:32 |
| oiaohm | Thinking samsung and many others make ASOP phones | Jul 17 20:33 |
| MinceR | i doubt they sell them in europe, though | Jul 17 20:33 |
| oiaohm | Yes you find samsung developers in microg | Jul 17 20:33 |
| oiaohm | So google is kinda limited how hard they can push before upsetting there supply lines. | Jul 17 20:33 |
| oiaohm | This is one time to be thankful for trade restrictions. | Jul 17 20:34 |
| oiaohm | Remember samsung has a factory in north korra on the USA do not export to list. | Jul 17 20:34 |
| oiaohm | So samsung factory in north korra cannot use google play services as that is not allowed by USA export rules. | Jul 17 20:34 |
| MinceR | what good is a factory in north korea to samsung? | Jul 17 20:35 |
| MinceR | slave workers to make cheap phones for red china? | Jul 17 20:35 |
| oiaohm | Cheep labor rates MinceR | Jul 17 20:35 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Jul 17 20:35 |
| oiaohm | So samsung and other makers evil is countering google evil attempt. | Jul 17 20:35 |
| MinceR | i wonder how long our luck will last | Jul 17 20:36 |
| oiaohm | No device maker is going to give up cheep labour we know this. | Jul 17 20:36 |
| oiaohm | Only way this will end is if someone USA governement gives up having trade restrictions. | Jul 17 20:36 |
| oiaohm | Or google gives in. | Jul 17 20:37 |
| oiaohm | So as long as the status stays the way it is Android will be fairly safe. | Jul 17 20:37 |
| MinceR | what if the USA government instead reduces the restrictions on trade with north korea? | Jul 17 20:37 |
| MinceR | (enabling samsung to make google play-enabled phones there) | Jul 17 20:38 |
| oiaohm | I used north korea as an example. | Jul 17 20:38 |
| oiaohm | Samsung and other devices makers have factories in country after country with trade restrictions. | Jul 17 20:38 |
| MinceR | sure, but wherever they have trade restrictions, they can also revoke them | Jul 17 20:38 |
| MinceR | they did so with cuba, afaik | Jul 17 20:38 |
| oiaohm | But at the same time USA normally creates new trade restrictions. | Jul 17 20:39 |
| oiaohm | The effect of trade restrictions is normally lowing wages. | Jul 17 20:39 |
| oiaohm | This is a never ending cycle MinceR | Jul 17 20:39 |
| oiaohm | So now that cuba does not have trade restrictions wage rates will start to rise so come less profitable to operate there. | Jul 17 20:40 |
| cubexyz | is there a way to turn off sound just in firefox? | Jul 17 20:41 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: can you now see how Google cannot win this unless USA gives up on trade restrictions completely in an area. | Jul 17 20:41 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: under linux running pulseaudio you have per application volume control. If using OSS4 you should have per application volume control. | Jul 17 20:42 |
| xiso | Even if labor cost usa nothing in cuba fuel prices costs are higher. | Jul 17 20:42 |
| MinceR | google may [eventually] have enough pull to make them do that, though | Jul 17 20:42 |
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| oiaohm | The thing is eventually if market of Android can become like 80 percent ASOP first it will not matter if Google gets the rules changed. | Jul 17 20:44 |
| oiaohm | So google has a limited window to win. Why you are seeing like the Android One push and the like. Lose too much ground to ASOP and the plan is over. | Jul 17 20:44 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: of course Google losing to Ubuntu phone or other open source options is also possible. | Jul 17 20:46 |
| cubexyz | no tech seems to have much longevity these days | Jul 17 20:47 |
| cubexyz | it's 2 to 4 years then dump it | Jul 17 20:47 |
| oiaohm | Reason why symbian phones before Android was the dominate phone was also that it could be made in countries with trade restrictions. | Jul 17 20:47 |
| oiaohm | The reason why Windows Phone is screwed so badly getting market share is it closed to start off with. | Jul 17 20:47 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, lol some folks are hex editing libflashplayer.so to stop access to /dev/dsp | Jul 17 20:48 |
| MinceR | afaik the main reason winblows phone is screwed is that the carriers are punishing m$ for buying and maintaining skype | Jul 17 20:49 |
| MinceR | at least that's what Tomi Ahonen said | Jul 17 20:49 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: windows phone was screwed before microsoft aquired skype. | Jul 17 20:49 |
| oiaohm | It could never push symbiam out the way for years. | Jul 17 20:49 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, still some Zaurus on ebay | Jul 17 20:50 |
| oiaohm | Buying skype just made a bad location even worse. | Jul 17 20:50 |
| MinceR | (though the facts that it's horribly crap in the first place, that there was no migration path from symbian and that m$ doesn't have the kind of cult that could make hypePhones sell also figure) | Jul 17 20:50 |
| oiaohm | symbian producers are now making Android | Jul 17 20:50 |
| oiaohm | Lots of them ASOP android. | Jul 17 20:50 |
| oiaohm | People forget symbian was open source for a while. | Jul 17 20:51 |
| MinceR | not sure how open it was | Jul 17 20:51 |
| MinceR | afaik some of its APIs were limited to applications signed by nokia | Jul 17 20:51 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: it was a open cvs on line for a while with complete kernel source. | Jul 17 20:51 |
| MinceR | and i've never heard of anyone successfully building a ROM replacement from the sources | Jul 17 20:52 |
| cubexyz | at least with zaurus C series i could write an X program for it | Jul 17 20:52 |
| oiaohm | nokia closed it up latter and the countries running under trade restrictions devices were based off that source. | Jul 17 20:52 |
| MinceR | i can run x clients on my android phone via Xvnc and a vnc viewer | Jul 17 20:52 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I forget. | Jul 17 20:54 |
| oiaohm | http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2350712/nokia-lost-millions-in-symbian-source-code-ransom | Jul 17 20:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.v3.co.uk | Nokia lost millions in Symbian source code ransom - IT News from V3.co.uk | Jul 17 20:55 | |
| oiaohm | Symbian was not open source at first it was stolen. MinceR | Jul 17 20:55 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 17 20:55 |
| oiaohm | So companies operating in trade restricted countries made counter fit phones while keeping who really owned them secret. | Jul 17 20:55 |
| oiaohm | This kinda gives you an idea what kind of evil Google is facing off against. | Jul 17 20:56 |
| MinceR | the scope of the "stolen" code may have been greater than what was "open sourced" | Jul 17 20:56 |
| oiaohm | These guys behind phone makers are not nice. | Jul 17 20:56 |
| MinceR | it seems that 'nice' is a tiny subset of humanity | Jul 17 20:57 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: holding famailes for ransom so they work in their factories. | Jul 17 20:58 |
| oiaohm | For free. | Jul 17 20:58 |
| oiaohm | Yes the slave trade is alive and well. | Jul 17 20:58 |
| xiso | Spent the last year and 7 months in jail for protest in it | Jul 17 20:59 |
| oiaohm | Like it or not there is a true case of Evil vs Evil with ODM vs Google. ODM have very few things they class as off limits. Killing is about they only thing off limits. | Jul 17 21:00 |
| oiaohm | xiso: Jails are a great place to run factories. | Jul 17 21:01 |
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| xiso | not in colombia or brasil | Jul 17 21:02 |
| oiaohm | At this stage. | Jul 17 21:03 |
| xiso | back in the states to breathe, at least for a while anyways | Jul 17 21:03 |
| xiso | before heading back | Jul 17 21:03 |
| msb__ | Wowie Zowie! I just found how to change the internal title of a pdf file, which is what shows in the taskbar with okular. Now I can have several pdfs open at once and tell them apart. | Jul 17 21:10 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 17 21:11 |
| msb__ | A little program called PDF Mod, which I had all along. | Jul 17 21:11 |
| MinceR | you can also tell okular what to call itself from the command line, afaik | Jul 17 21:11 |
| msb__ | Interesting. But I just click on a pdf file in mc and it calls okular on it. | Jul 17 21:12 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 17 21:12 |
| MinceR | okular --caption 'not okular!' | Jul 17 21:12 |
| MinceR | it worked | Jul 17 21:12 |
| MinceR | apparently i could also change the icon | Jul 17 21:12 |
| cubexyz | kpdf didn't do that | Jul 17 21:13 |
| cubexyz | it just showed the filename at the top | Jul 17 21:13 |
| msb__ | But here's something horrible; this is what ps says about pdfmod: | Jul 17 21:13 |
| msb__ | mono /usr/lib/pdfmod/PdfMod.exe | Jul 17 21:13 |
| MinceR | :( | Jul 17 21:13 |
| cubexyz | uh oh | Jul 17 21:13 |
| msb__ | Agggh! I'm running an exe file! Unclean! Unclean! | Jul 17 21:13 |
| cubexyz | msb__, don't you have kpdf? | Jul 17 21:14 |
| msb__ | sure. will that change the internal title? | Jul 17 21:14 |
| cubexyz | it shows the filename | Jul 17 21:15 |
| cubexyz | just like xpdf did | Jul 17 21:17 |
| cubexyz | not sure what okular does | Jul 17 21:18 |
| msb__ | no, I have xpdf, which doesn't even have a menu | Jul 17 21:19 |
| MinceR | not even on right click? | Jul 17 21:19 |
| cubexyz | it's got menus | Jul 17 21:19 |
| cubexyz | might actually be using motif | Jul 17 21:20 |
| cubexyz | Xm for sure | Jul 17 21:21 |
| MinceR | yup, it depends on lesstif2 on crunchbang waldorf | Jul 17 21:21 |
| cubexyz | which version? | Jul 17 21:23 |
| MinceR | dunno, i quit synaptic already | Jul 17 21:23 |
| msb__ | I can't find xpdf's menu, just a few icons at the bottom. But it does put the filename in the window title and taskbar, whereas okular uses the internal title. | Jul 17 21:24 |
| cubexyz | I wonder if kpdf got orphaned | Jul 17 21:24 |
| cubexyz | trinity might have picked it up | Jul 17 21:24 |
| oiaohm | msb__: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=236119 pdftk with update pdf info can change pdf titles and fairly much everything else decribing a PDF | Jul 17 21:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.fedoraforum.org | [SOLVED] Change title of *.pdf document? - FedoraForum.org [ http://ur1.ca/n5gci ] | Jul 17 21:26 | |
| cubexyz | xpdf hasn't changed much in the last 10 years | Jul 17 21:28 |
| cubexyz | looks like kpdf is still being updated for trinity | Jul 17 21:31 |
| msb__ | okular with --caption <filename> shows the filename but shows the internal title in front of it | Jul 17 21:42 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 17 21:42 |
| msb__ | damn! I was gonna put that in the mc config file. | Jul 17 21:43 |
| MinceR | you might be able to replace the entire window caption with wmctrl -r <WIN> -T <STR> | Jul 17 21:43 |
| MinceR | though that's definitely fiddlier | Jul 17 21:43 |
| MinceR | (you'd have to somehow select the right window so wmctrl knows which one to operate on) | Jul 17 21:44 |
| msb__ | I do have pdftk, a Linux program, which has both command line and gui versions, and a 500 line man page. That's gotta be able to change the internal title! | Jul 17 21:49 |
| msb__ | and not get me sued by microshit | Jul 17 21:50 |
| cubexyz | pdf kind of sucks anyway | Jul 17 21:52 |
| cubexyz | it's not a good tool for archiving | Jul 17 21:52 |
| msb__ | why not? | Jul 17 21:52 |
| cubexyz | you sometimes lose resolution in making a pdf out of rasterized images | Jul 17 21:53 |
| msb__ | ah | Jul 17 21:53 |
| cubexyz | I scan, encode to png and make a tarball | Jul 17 21:53 |
| cubexyz | not to mention the files balloon up in size | Jul 17 21:54 |
| cubexyz | searching through pages of a pdf file can be slow | Jul 17 21:55 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: funny enough is badly made pdfs that are a image a page are slow. | Jul 17 21:56 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: pdf that are basically wrapped PS are not that slow to search. | Jul 17 21:57 |
| oiaohm | https://conf.kde.org/en/akademy2015/public/events/198 this is interesting | Jul 17 21:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-conf.kde.org | akademy2015: Akademy 2015 Program [ http://ur1.ca/n5glc ] | Jul 17 21:58 | |
| MinceR | postscript was better, imo | Jul 17 21:59 |
| MinceR | (probably the only good adobe product ever) | Jul 17 21:59 |
| MinceR | then they came up with pdf, which is binary and tried to push it into tasks where it doesn't work well | Jul 17 21:59 |
| MinceR | (like replacing web pages and forms) | Jul 17 21:59 |
| MinceR | pdf is supposed to be "portable" yet some characters with some fonts won't show up with libpoppler | Jul 17 22:00 |
| MinceR | and it's supposed to be "portable" while also supporting DRM (which, of course, doesn't work) | Jul 17 22:00 |
| cubexyz | I like postscript printers | Jul 17 22:01 |
| MinceR | so do i | Jul 17 22:01 |
| MinceR | i don't care for all that pain handling proprietary printer languages | Jul 17 22:01 |
| MinceR | like pcl5 | Jul 17 22:01 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember PDF archive the fonts are meant to be embedded like standard PS. | Jul 17 22:19 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: there was a reason why I said pdf that are basically wrapped PS. That stuff is ok. | Jul 17 22:20 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: modern PDF printers use the wrapped version. color correction information and file compression are the two advantages over using just PS. | Jul 17 22:21 |
| MinceR | i don't see why it needs to be wrapped | Jul 17 22:21 |
| oiaohm | 1 PS requires images converted to text that makes the bigger. PDF provides a archive format so you don't need to do that. | Jul 17 22:23 |
| oiaohm | 2 color correction stuff indepdent to the main document is a good thing. | Jul 17 22:23 |
| MinceR | you can compress ps with zip, gzip, bzip2, lzma or whatever | Jul 17 22:23 |
| MinceR | why could color correction stuff not be expressed in the postscript syntax? | Jul 17 22:24 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: postscript standard says images are rgb 8bit | Jul 17 22:26 |
| oiaohm | No CMYK no Monochrome no 16 bit images | Jul 17 22:27 |
| MinceR | surely releasing a new version of the standard is simpler than inventing a new format | Jul 17 22:27 |
| MinceR | especially considering that there's a version of PS that lets you embed PDFs in it | Jul 17 22:27 |
| MinceR | (madness) | Jul 17 22:27 |
| oiaohm | If you unpack a PDF you find a postscript file inside. | Jul 17 22:27 |
| oiaohm | PDF was not exactly inventing a new format MinceR | Jul 17 22:28 |
| MinceR | well, it's something like tokenized PS | Jul 17 22:28 |
| oiaohm | PDF extended PS by adding a achrive format around the outside then extended scope. | Jul 17 22:28 |
| oiaohm | Some of the problem with current PDF is feature creep. | Jul 17 22:29 |
| cubexyz | not to mention if a document is a single page png is better | Jul 17 22:30 |
| MinceR | only if you know what resolution you want to print it at | Jul 17 22:30 |
| oiaohm | conveting a single page png to PS is worse than converting a single page png to pdf | Jul 17 22:30 |
| MinceR | neither seems a good idea, unless for the purpose of printing it on a PS printer | Jul 17 22:31 |
| oiaohm | PDF printers have mostly replaced PS printers. | Jul 17 22:31 |
| cubexyz | I was thinking more about archiving the data rather than printing | Jul 17 22:31 |
| oiaohm | Of course PDF printers only like PDF/A documents. | Jul 17 22:31 |
| MinceR | (it's unnecessarily difficult to get the original bitmap image out of a pdf) | Jul 17 22:31 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF/A | Jul 17 22:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | PDF/A - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Jul 17 22:33 | |
| oiaohm | PDF/A is not any general document. | Jul 17 22:33 |
| oiaohm | --All fonts must be embedded and also must be legally embeddable for unlimited, universal rendering. This also applies to the so-called PostScript standard fonts such as Times or Helvetica.-- | Jul 17 22:34 |
| oiaohm | --Encryption is forbidden.-- | Jul 17 22:35 |
| oiaohm | Achive documents DRM is blacklisted. | Jul 17 22:35 |
| oiaohm | Those font issues is PDF that are not PDF/A | Jul 17 22:36 |
| cubexyz | I broke up the original Unix v5 manual pdf into png files | Jul 17 22:40 |
| cubexyz | so I could access pages faster | Jul 17 22:40 |
| MinceR | i rendered an rpg book pdf into jpegs so i could flip through it more quickly | Jul 17 22:40 |
| cubexyz | yes, same idea | Jul 17 22:41 |
| MinceR | but decided that Document Viewer (on android) was fast enough and its ability to use the TOC was more important to me | Jul 17 22:41 |
| oiaohm | I have broken a PDF into single PDF pages before. | Jul 17 22:41 |
| oiaohm | And altered font to common core font. | Jul 17 22:41 |
| MinceR | actually i think i even packaged it into a cbz file | Jul 17 22:41 |
| oiaohm | Really the man reason I have not liked going to images is you can end up more ram using. | Jul 17 22:42 |
| MinceR | my tablet has 2GB RAM, that should be enough for this | Jul 17 22:45 |
| oiaohm | http://www.manpagez.com/man/1/pdfseparate/ | Jul 17 22:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.manpagez.com | man page pdfseparate section 1 [ http://ur1.ca/n5gxb ] | Jul 17 22:45 | |
| oiaohm | This is one of the tools from poppler I find useful. | Jul 17 22:45 |
| MinceR | pdftotext is nice too | Jul 17 22:46 |
| cubexyz | that's another thing I dislike | Jul 17 22:46 |
| cubexyz | there's no universal man pages | Jul 17 22:46 |
| cubexyz | KDE had it's own thing | Jul 17 22:47 |
| cubexyz | there's khelpcenter which wasn't too bad | Jul 17 22:48 |
| cubexyz | it combined KDE help with man pages | Jul 17 22:48 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: there is a issue. man and info both did not include anyways to include pictures. | Jul 17 22:50 |
| oiaohm | when giving instructions for a GUI program pictures are kinda important. | Jul 17 22:50 |
| MinceR | being based on TeX, it should be possible to include pictures in info at least for the printable output | Jul 17 22:51 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the info format in fact strips any images. | Jul 17 22:52 |
| oiaohm | TeX contains enough to work. | Jul 17 22:52 |
| cubexyz | there's xman | Jul 17 22:52 |
| cubexyz | in theory it could show pictures | Jul 17 22:53 |
| cubexyz | I don't think it does though | Jul 17 22:53 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: xman still uses the man format that does not include a picture option. | Jul 17 22:53 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: basically there is a feature problem causing this shattering. | Jul 17 22:54 |
| oiaohm | Really it should not be too hard to extend info and man to allow inserted pictures and in text mode just show a ref to link. | Jul 17 22:55 |
| cubexyz | you can do: khelpcenter man:ps | Jul 17 22:59 |
| cubexyz | but I almost never do that | Jul 17 22:59 |
| cubexyz | so it's actually split across KDE, man, info, and Gnome | Jul 17 23:01 |
| oiaohm | KDE and Gnome cat fight but they both use HTML. | Jul 17 23:04 |
| MinceR | can't troff/groff include pictures? | Jul 17 23:04 |
| MinceR | there's at least support for pic diagrams apparently | Jul 17 23:06 |
| oiaohm | http://www.manpagez.com/man/1/groff/ | Jul 17 23:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.manpagez.com | man page groff section 1 | Jul 17 23:06 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: when generating for other than Man pages. | Jul 17 23:07 |
| MinceR | ic | Jul 17 23:07 |
| cubexyz | is there a viewer for pic files? | Jul 17 23:07 |
| oiaohm | Yes the ugly problem here both info and man are made by tools that can insert picture but those formats block it. | Jul 17 23:07 |
| oiaohm | Really update info and man to allow insert image and they could be made modern. | Jul 17 23:08 |
| MinceR | many packages have html docs under /usr/share/doc/ | Jul 17 23:08 |
| MinceR | some even ship java or javascript search tools for them | Jul 17 23:08 |
| cubexyz | even v7 had pic files | Jul 17 23:10 |
| cubexyz | but I can't remember if there was any way to preview them | Jul 17 23:10 |
| cubexyz | there was the postscript bell system logo also | Jul 17 23:11 |
| cubexyz | ps2pdf for the bell logo | Jul 17 23:13 |
| cubexyz | I know plan9 had something like that | Jul 17 23:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Clonezilla Live OS Is Now Using Linux Kernel 4.0.8 - Softpedia | Jul 18 05:17 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linux.softpedia.com) | Jul 18 05:17 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Voyager X8 – One of the Best Linux Distros | Jul 18 05:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | You’ve Never Heard Of https://t.co/X1qIwjzcHb | Jul 18 05:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Voyager X8 - One of the Best Linux Distros Never Heard Of | Jul 18 05:17 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Intel Celeron N3050 Braswell Linux Performance | Jul 18 05:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/LXmpFQIRLQ (www.phoronix.com) | Jul 18 05:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Intel Celeron N3050 Braswell Linux Performance Review - Phoronix | Jul 18 05:17 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tizen Dev Tools Version 15.01 Released | Jul 18 05:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | [Developer] Tizen Dev Tools Version 15.01 Released - Tizen Experts | Jul 18 05:17 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LibreOffice GTK3 On Wayland Starts To Work | Jul 18 05:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | LibreOffice GTK3 On Wayland Starts To Work - Phoronix | Jul 18 05:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition Review | Jul 18 05:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Vz3gpmLNmR (www.linuxuser.co.uk) | Jul 18 05:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxuser.co.uk | Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition Review | Linux User & Developer - the Linux and FOSS mag for a GNU generation | Jul 18 05:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Daily Builds for Ubuntu 15.10 Return After One | Jul 18 05:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Month of Absence http://t.co/eM3VbxFxqj | Jul 18 05:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Daily Builds for Ubuntu 15.10 Return After One Month of Absence - Softpedia | Jul 18 05:46 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 7-inch industrial touchscreen modules run Linux | Jul 18 05:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | on i.MX6 http://t.co/4AuAnof5fS | Jul 18 05:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | 7-inch industrial touchscreen modules run Linux on i.MX6 · LinuxGizmos.com | Jul 18 05:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linuxgizmos.com) | Jul 18 05:58 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi retweeted @tuxmachines: '7-inch industrial touchscreen modules run Linux on i.MX6...' | Jul 18 05:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Plasma 5.4 Freeze on schedule for summer | Jul 18 06:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | release (late August they said) | Jul 18 06:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.davidedmundson.co.uk | 3 weeks till Plasma 5.4 Freeze | David Edmundson's Web Log | Jul 18 06:06 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "My main work at LaKademy 2015 was to finish | Jul 18 06:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | the port of Cantor to Qt5/KF5." | Jul 18 06:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.filipesaraiva.info | LaKademy 2015 – my own Cantor sprint and other tasks at Filipe Saraiva's blog | Jul 18 06:07 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Kubuntu's Jonathan Riddell Says Ubuntu Policy | Jul 18 06:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Is Still Lacking http://t.co/JPaFMiNFNh | Jul 18 06:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Kubuntu's Jonathan Riddell Says Ubuntu Policy Is Still Lacking - Softpedia | Jul 18 06:20 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Debian Project Lead: Snappy and Mir Bad Ideas | Jul 18 06:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com | Debian Project Lead: Snappy and Mir Bad Ideas | Jul 18 06:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines PackageKit 1.0.7 Is a Major Release with | Jul 18 06:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Portage, Entropy, and Yum Improvements | Jul 18 06:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | PackageKit 1.0.7 Is a Major Release with Portage, Entropy, and Yum Improvements - Softpedia | Jul 18 06:20 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Team Fortress 2 Update Arrives on Steam for | Jul 18 06:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Team Fortress 2 Update Arrives on Steam for Linux - Softpedia | Jul 18 06:28 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Creator Linus Torvalds Goes Zero G in | Jul 18 06:28 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines eeping skills fresh in tech pays off | Jul 18 06:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | eeping skills fresh in tech pays off | Tux Machines | Jul 18 06:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Debian Project Lead: Snappy and Mir Bad Ideas | Jul 18 06:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian Project Lead: Snappy and Mir Bad Ideas | Tux Machines | Jul 18 06:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: OSS http://t.co/KwcnIJpUjp | Jul 18 06:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: OSS | Tux Machines | Jul 18 06:35 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines PackageKit 1.0.7 Is a Major Release with | Jul 18 06:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Portage, Entropy, and Yum Improvements | Jul 18 06:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PackageKit 1.0.7 Is a Major Release with Portage, Entropy, and Yum Improvements | Tux Machines | Jul 18 06:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linus, LibreOffice, and Linux | Jul 18 06:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linus, LibreOffice, and Linux | Tux Machines | Jul 18 06:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Antergos – A Beginner-Friendly Arch-Based | Jul 18 06:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Distro https://t.co/ykeyfGf0cR | Jul 18 06:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Antergos - A Beginner Friendly Arch Based Distro | Jul 18 06:43 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines SteamOS 2.0 Beta review - Commencing countdown | Jul 18 06:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/P1reSe6vrL (www.dedoimedo.com) | Jul 18 06:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dedoimedo.com | SteamOS 2.0 Beta review - Commencing countdown | Jul 18 06:43 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Calibre 2.32 Arrives with New Features and Lots | Jul 18 06:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of Fixes http://t.co/vbT13Wvz8C | Jul 18 06:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Calibre 2.32 Arrives with New Features and Lots of Fixes - Softpedia | Jul 18 06:43 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines IPFire 2.17 Core Update 92 Patches OpenSSL and | Jul 18 06:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Squid Security Vulnerabilities | Jul 18 06:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | IPFire 2.17 Core Update 92 Patches OpenSSL and Squid Security Vulnerabilities - Softpedia | Jul 18 06:47 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Intel Iris Pro 6200 Graphics Are A Dream Come | Jul 18 06:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | True For Open-Source Linux Fans | Jul 18 06:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Intel Iris Pro 6200 Graphics Are A Dream Come True For Open-Source Linux Fans - Phoronix | Jul 18 06:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines EXT3 File-System Driver To Be Removed From The | Jul 18 06:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Kernel http://t.co/PWvPNgJRPi | Jul 18 06:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | EXT3 File-System Driver To Be Removed From The Linux Kernel - Phoronix | Jul 18 06:48 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Calibre 2.32 Arrives with New Features and Lots...' | Jul 18 06:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Magic Circle Puzzle FPS Gets Linux Support | Jul 18 06:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | on Steam | Jul 18 06:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | The Magic Circle Puzzle FPS Gets Linux Support on Steam - Softpedia | Jul 18 06:53 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/YlCN0uYJ5i | Jul 18 07:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 07:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz | Jul 18 07:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jul 18 07:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open Document Format (ODF) 1.2 published as | Jul 18 07:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | International Standard 26300:2015 by ISO/IEC | Jul 18 07:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open Document Format (ODF) 1.2 published as International Standard 26300:2015 by ISO/IEC | Tux Machines | Jul 18 07:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Antergos – A Beginner-Friendly Arch-Based | Jul 18 07:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Distro http://t.co/UV5FS5cJ0L | Jul 18 07:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Antergos – A Beginner-Friendly Arch-Based Distro | Tux Machines | Jul 18 07:07 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines IPFire 2.17 Core Update 92 Patches OpenSSL and | Jul 18 07:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Squid Security Vulnerabilities | Jul 18 07:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IPFire 2.17 Core Update 92 Patches OpenSSL and Squid Security Vulnerabilities | Tux Machines | Jul 18 07:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines EXT3 File-System Driver To Be Removed From The | Jul 18 07:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Kernel http://t.co/pqccK9sGY1 | Jul 18 07:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | EXT3 File-System Driver To Be Removed From The Linux Kernel | Tux Machines | Jul 18 07:55 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @callstatsio favourited 'Kubuntu's Jonathan Riddell Says Ubuntu Policy Is Still...' | Jul 18 08:51 | |
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| schestowitz | > Brain drain to be expected. | Jul 18 12:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 18 12:52 |
| schestowitz | > I guess you know that many many EPO staff members have requested and also granted their requests for (regular, or early) retirement. | Jul 18 12:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 18 12:52 |
| schestowitz | > Before you ask: | Jul 18 12:52 |
| schestowitz | > no, unfortunately I do not have any document showing evidence of that. | Jul 18 12:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 18 12:52 |
| schestowitz | > Rumor has it, that the management will also change the retirement rules and conditions very soon. | Jul 18 12:52 |
| schestowitz | > Everything is speculative, so better if you don't yet publish that. Just keep the info in mind. | Jul 18 12:52 |
| schestowitz | I wonder how long before parts of management step down and, if that happens, whether staff will be informed (not good 'damage control'). | Jul 18 12:52 |
| schestowitz | I am very cynical about retirement/pension schemes. I recently saw yet another good video (lecture) about deferred promises of payment. I don't count on my pension for anything and I don't think EPO staff has much to count on, either. Unless they have no critical skills, which I strongly doubt... | Jul 18 12:52 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6353440 | Jul 18 12:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: The world’s first ‘true Android PC’ costs just $20 http://bgr.com/2015/07/15/remix-mini-android-pc-kickstarter/ #android #linux | Jul 18 12:54 | |
| schestowitz | "android violates lot of FSF’s principles, it does not represent user rights, it cannot be said as free operating system" | Jul 18 12:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> bgr.com | Remix Mini Android PC Kickstarter | BGR [ http://ur1.ca/n57uz ] | Jul 18 12:54 | |
| schestowitz | "→ http://www.replicant.us" | Jul 18 12:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.replicant.us | Replicant | Jul 18 12:54 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.reddit.com/r/libreboot/comments/3dbpxg/governmentsconnected_hacking_team_targets_uefi/ | Jul 18 12:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Governments-Connected ‘Hacking Team’ Targets UEFI, Reveal Leaks : libreboot [ http://ur1.ca/n5nr1 ] | Jul 18 12:56 | |
| schestowitz | www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/3dbqd5/governmentsconnected_hacking_team_targets_uefi/ | Jul 18 12:56 |
| cubexyz | these PC World articles talking about saying a "2.5 Ghz" computer is good enough are bit off | Jul 18 13:05 |
| cubexyz | reducing energy consumption is still important | Jul 18 13:07 |
| cubexyz | and computers have changed so much: | Jul 18 13:18 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/20-years-basically-the-same.jpg | Jul 18 13:19 |
| schestowitz | well, with arm processors we can do well | Jul 18 13:32 |
| schestowitz | for instance, I can do IRC or some video playback on a tablet with very low wattage | Jul 18 13:32 |
| schestowitz | that included the screen | Jul 18 13:32 |
| schestowitz | whereas new machines still use external monitors and such stuff | Jul 18 13:33 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: I have begun running apps remotely | Jul 18 13:33 |
| schestowitz | over ssh | Jul 18 13:33 |
| schestowitz | on other machines | Jul 18 13:33 |
| *cubexyz nods | Jul 18 13:33 | |
| schestowitz | this helps spread the load a bit, and improves memory management | Jul 18 13:33 |
| schestowitz | a bit like VMs | Jul 18 13:34 |
| schestowitz | so... | Jul 18 13:34 |
| schestowitz | one machine can do mail | Jul 18 13:34 |
| schestowitz | another media | Jul 18 13:34 |
| schestowitz | another browsing | Jul 18 13:34 |
| schestowitz | connect with ssh or Synergy | Jul 18 13:34 |
| schestowitz | I use QuickSynergy to manage layout | Jul 18 13:34 |
| schestowitz | now I have 4 screens | Jul 18 13:34 |
| schestowitz | 2 are of my wife's laptop | Jul 18 13:34 |
| schestowitz | and I can enter them with the mouse using synergy | Jul 18 13:34 |
| cubexyz | plan 9 is good for distributed computing, but the application pool is much smaller | Jul 18 13:35 |
| cubexyz | and web browsing is... well it's way behind unfortunately | Jul 18 13:36 |
| schestowitz | BTW | Jul 18 13:36 |
| schestowitz | I want to thank you for the loggers, I use them every week | Jul 18 13:36 |
| schestowitz | complete logs since 2008 | Jul 18 13:37 |
| schestowitz | these logs are being accessed my spies, I have been told, at least those who are worried about bad publicity for the EPO | Jul 18 13:37 |
| cubexyz | it will be interesting to look back at them in 20+ years :) | Jul 18 13:37 |
| schestowitz | European Patent Office very corrupt | Jul 18 13:37 |
| schestowitz | relates to intl' trade deals, inc. the one with Canada | Jul 18 13:37 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: yeah, I always preserve URLs etc. | Jul 18 13:38 |
| schestowitz | since I started in 2003 or thereabouts, no 404s | Jul 18 13:38 |
| schestowitz | I can google my own sites to basically search back through stuff I worked on, code, words, articles... | Jul 18 13:38 |
| schestowitz | techrights has about 80,000 'pages' stored in Google | Jul 18 13:39 |
| schestowitz | last week was highest traffic in years | Jul 18 13:39 |
| schestowitz | because we were in reddit's front page | Jul 18 13:39 |
| schestowitz | the article about MS' patent extortion against Android | Jul 18 13:39 |
| cubexyz | a lot of my server traffic is folks downloading techrights logs | Jul 18 13:40 |
| schestowitz | I wish I still had the time to write more in IRC | Jul 18 13:40 |
| schestowitz | I still read it all, but can't always spend much time here like I used to | Jul 18 13:40 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: I use wget | Jul 18 13:40 |
| schestowitz | so maybe you can see when it's me, via BTcentral | Jul 18 13:41 |
| cubexyz | wget is an interesting attack vector as well | Jul 18 13:41 |
| cubexyz | I spent quite a lot of time studying it | Jul 18 13:41 |
| schestowitz | cp techrights.log techrights-previous.log | Jul 18 13:41 |
| schestowitz | rm techrights.log | Jul 18 13:41 |
| schestowitz | wget http://maxhost.org/other/techrights.log | Jul 18 13:41 |
| schestowitz | tail -n30000 .xchat2/xchatlogs/FreeNode-#boycottnovell.log > ~/LAPTOP-FreeNode-#boycottnovell.log | Jul 18 13:41 |
| schestowitz | tail -n100000 .xchat2/xchatlogs/FreeNode-#boycottnovell-social.log > ~/LAPTOP-FreeNode-#boycottnovell-social.log | Jul 18 13:41 |
| schestowitz | tail -n30000 .xchat2/xchatlogs/FreeNode-#techbytes.log > ~/LAPTOP-FreeNode-#techbytes.log | Jul 18 13:41 |
| schestowitz | tail -n30000 .xchat2/xchatlogs/FreeNode-#techrights.log > ~/LAPTOP-FreeNode-#techrights.log | Jul 18 13:41 |
| schestowitz | tail -n30000 ~/FreeNode-#boycottnovell.log > ~/LIBERTY-FreeNode-#boycottnovell.log | Jul 18 13:41 |
| schestowitz | tail -n100000 ~/FreeNode-#boycottnovell-social.log > ~/LIBERTY-FreeNode-#boycottnovell-social.log | Jul 18 13:41 |
| schestowitz | tail -n30000 ~/FreeNode-#techbytes.log > ~/LIBERTY-FreeNode-#techbytes.log | Jul 18 13:41 |
| schestowitz | tail -n30000 ~/FreeNode-#techrights.log > ~/LIBERTY-FreeNode-#techrights.log | Jul 18 13:41 |
| schestowitz | kate python ~/LIBERTY-FreeNode-#boycottnovell.log ~/LIBERTY-FreeNode-#boycottnovell-social.log ~/LIBERTY-FreeNode-#techbytes.log ~/LIBERTY-FreeNode-#techrights.log ~/LAPTOP-FreeNode-#boycottnovell.log ~/LAPTOP-FreeNode-#boycottnovell-social.log ~/LAPTOP-FreeNode-#techbytes.log ~/LAPTOP-FreeNode-#techrights.log ~/techrights.log irc-log-techrights irc-log irc-log-social irc-log-techbytes | Jul 18 13:41 |
| schestowitz | and to generate once editing it done: | Jul 18 13:42 |
| schestowitz | python ./Main/Programs/irclog2html.py irc-log-techrights --title='IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: July 12th, 2015-July 18th, 2015' ; python ./Main/Programs/irclog2html.py irc-log --title='IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: July 12th, 2015-July 18th, 2015' ; python ./Main/Programs/irclog2html.py irc-log-social --title='IRC: #boycottnovell-social @ FreeNode: July 12th, 2015-July 18th, 2015' ; python ./Main/Programs/irclog2html.py irc-log-techbytes | Jul 18 13:42 |
| schestowitz | --title='IRC: #techbytes @ FreeNode: July 12th, 2015-July 18th, 2015' ; cp irc-log.html irc-log-12072015.html ; cp irc-log-social.html irc-log-social-12072015.html ; cp irc-log-techrights.html irc-log-techrights-12072015.html; cp irc-log-techbytes.html irc-log-techbytes-12072015.html | Jul 18 13:42 |
| cubexyz | we need Watson to organize it all :) | Jul 18 13:42 |
| schestowitz | been doing that for years, maybe 6 or 7 years now, I've improved and automated a growing number of bits | Jul 18 13:42 |
| schestowitz | let me check how many megs in logs... | Jul 18 13:43 |
| cubexyz | I inadvertently logged coreboot since 2008 | Jul 18 13:43 |
| cubexyz | it's not even that big | Jul 18 13:44 |
| schestowitz | [root@techrights uploads]# find | grep irc- | wc | Jul 18 13:44 |
| schestowitz | 4994 4994 190681 | Jul 18 13:44 |
| schestowitz | 5000 files | Jul 18 13:44 |
| schestowitz | wonder how to filter to just show their total size, offhand... | Jul 18 13:44 |
| cubexyz | about 66 megs for 7 years worth | Jul 18 13:44 |
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| schestowitz | I can use cut and dc I think | Jul 18 13:45 |
| schestowitz | but there must be a simpler way | Jul 18 13:45 |
| schestowitz | with grep of input files to du | Jul 18 13:45 |
| schestowitz | [root@techrights uploads]# du -sh | Jul 18 13:46 |
| schestowitz | 3.7G . | Jul 18 13:46 |
| schestowitz | odd, should be bigger... | Jul 18 13:46 |
| MinceR | that's not what she said! | Jul 18 13:46 |
| cubexyz | don't forget wget can do compression | Jul 18 13:48 |
| schestowitz | [root@techrights uploads]# du --max-depth=1 | Jul 18 13:48 |
| schestowitz | 148156 ./2012 | Jul 18 13:48 |
| schestowitz | 72 ./2006 | Jul 18 13:48 |
| schestowitz | 264968 ./2011 | Jul 18 13:48 |
| cubexyz | wget --header='accept-encoding: gzip' | Jul 18 13:48 |
| schestowitz | 13092 ./2007 | Jul 18 13:48 |
| schestowitz | 198572 ./2008 | Jul 18 13:48 |
| schestowitz | 454204 ./2009 | Jul 18 13:48 |
| schestowitz | 646968 ./2010 | Jul 18 13:48 |
| schestowitz | 990904 ./2014 | Jul 18 13:48 |
| schestowitz | 494548 ./2013 | Jul 18 13:48 |
| schestowitz | 635276 ./2015 | Jul 18 13:48 |
| schestowitz | So I guess roughly half a meg a year for IRC | Jul 18 13:48 |
| schestowitz | no files uploaded in the first month of the site | Jul 18 13:49 |
| schestowitz | in december only 4 | Jul 18 13:49 |
| schestowitz | quite a throwback | Jul 18 13:49 |
| schestowitz | almost 10 hyears | Jul 18 13:49 |
| schestowitz | next year is the 10-year anniversary of MS-Novell deal | Jul 18 13:49 |
| schestowitz | there's no novell to commemorate it | Jul 18 13:50 |
| schestowitz | it was sort of dissolved 4 years after the deal | Jul 18 13:50 |
| schestowitz | 2010, I think February | Jul 18 13:50 |
| schestowitz | with a whimper/bang | Jul 18 13:51 |
| schestowitz | Phoronix also turned 10 | Jul 18 13:51 |
| schestowitz | I think around time tuxmachines did | Jul 18 13:51 |
| schestowitz | but tuxmachines didn't beg for money.. | Jul 18 13:51 |
| cubexyz | a lot of the hard-core Unix traditionalists hang out at TUHS | Jul 18 13:52 |
| cubexyz | but I think Unix is safe from Microsoft now | Jul 18 13:52 |
| schestowitz | I reckon Michael makes money auctioning away the gifts and doing some work for companies that want on-demand benchmarking by him | Jul 18 13:52 |
| schestowitz | but it's hard to know how it's financed, except some ads and subs | Jul 18 13:52 |
| schestowitz | or amazon code referrals | Jul 18 13:52 |
| schestowitz | not that it matters, I like phoronix | Jul 18 13:52 |
| cubexyz | Microsoft really did harm Unix though for a while | Jul 18 13:53 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: unix has changed | Jul 18 13:53 |
| cubexyz | Xenix was a parody of Unix | Jul 18 13:53 |
| schestowitz | Apple took a role in it, now Microsoft too | Jul 18 13:53 |
| schestowitz | they're coopting unix | Jul 18 13:53 |
| schestowitz | they also try linux, but they can't tolerate copyleft | Jul 18 13:53 |
| schestowitz | they might just drop in some drivers into it to make proprietary s/w like hyper-v work | Jul 18 13:53 |
| schestowitz | OH | Jul 18 13:54 |
| schestowitz | OTR | Jul 18 13:54 |
| schestowitz | I just spoke to someone from Microsoft | Jul 18 13:54 |
| schestowitz | (don't ask) | Jul 18 13:54 |
| schestowitz | and he told me, | Jul 18 13:54 |
| schestowitz | Vista 10 crashes a lot | Jul 18 13:54 |
| cubexyz | hahaha | Jul 18 13:54 |
| schestowitz | vlue screens of death | Jul 18 13:54 |
| schestowitz | the company promises a more stable built | Jul 18 13:54 |
| schestowitz | he also thought it was free | Jul 18 13:54 |
| cubexyz | I'm getting major deja vu here :) | Jul 18 13:54 |
| schestowitz | he works there as a programmer | Jul 18 13:54 |
| schestowitz | And I told him, no, it's just 'free' upgrade | Jul 18 13:54 |
| schestowitz | he didn't even know, they mislead their own staff too | Jul 18 13:54 |
| cubexyz | well even if it was free would you really want it? | Jul 18 13:55 |
| schestowitz | anyway, he said they were moved into smaller officer | Jul 18 13:55 |
| schestowitz | *offices | Jul 18 13:55 |
| schestowitz | they now share the office with many people | Jul 18 13:55 |
| schestowitz | they also moved buildings | Jul 18 13:55 |
| cubexyz | I'm not sure I'd even want windows 10 even if I got source code with it | Jul 18 13:55 |
| schestowitz | to a smaller one that they share with other companies | Jul 18 13:55 |
| schestowitz | he was moved between teams | Jul 18 13:55 |
| schestowitz | MS is collapsing | Jul 18 13:55 |
| cubexyz | yeah I predicting that | Jul 18 13:55 |
| schestowitz | but like any company (inc. Novell) they'lll NEVER admit it | Jul 18 13:55 |
| schestowitz | assurance of financial stability is what customers think it's safe to go with | Jul 18 13:56 |
| cubexyz | BSD/Linux is the way to go | Jul 18 13:56 |
| schestowitz | But MS has no future certainty | Jul 18 13:56 |
| schestowitz | I can't quite publish that as a blog | Jul 18 13:56 |
| schestowitz | as I promised not to and I don't want to hurt the source | Jul 18 13:56 |
| cubexyz | Microsoft managed to gum things up since windows 3.0 so good riddance | Jul 18 13:56 |
| schestowitz | Vista 10 will save Microsoft | Jul 18 13:56 |
| schestowitz | said Microsoft | Jul 18 13:56 |
| schestowitz | as always | Jul 18 13:56 |
| schestowitz | as Vista | Jul 18 13:56 |
| schestowitz | oh | Jul 18 13:57 |
| schestowitz | And hardware support on vista 10 is crap | Jul 18 13:57 |
| schestowitz | causing BSOD | Jul 18 13:57 |
| schestowitz | Like Vista | Jul 18 13:57 |
| schestowitz | He told me they're still chasing the hardware support thing | Jul 18 13:57 |
| cubexyz | every version BSODed execept maybe windows 1 and 2.0 | Jul 18 13:57 |
| MinceR | m$ and crApple may yet kill general purpose computers (along with their cronies in governments) | Jul 18 13:57 |
| cubexyz | which simply crashed | Jul 18 13:57 |
| schestowitz | but since it's RTM soon/already I reckon it'll be another disaster like Vista 8 | Jul 18 13:57 |
| schestowitz | which Microsoft has also hyped before it was released | Jul 18 13:57 |
| MinceR | and redcrap and their cult may yet kill Linux and BSD | Jul 18 13:58 |
| schestowitz | even MS staff ha | Jul 18 13:58 |
| schestowitz | tes Vista 8 | Jul 18 13:58 |
| schestowitz | would rather use 7 | Jul 18 13:58 |
| schestowitz | it's really quite funny talking to people from the insider | Jul 18 13:58 |
| schestowitz | they're a bit nervous about the layoffs | Jul 18 13:58 |
| cubexyz | I dealt with Microsoft a bit in the past | Jul 18 13:58 |
| schestowitz | the one I spoke to tried Linux | Jul 18 13:58 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva, Fedora.. | Jul 18 13:59 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yeah, right... | Jul 18 13:59 |
| schestowitz | prepare for FUD attack in a few weeks | Jul 18 13:59 |
| schestowitz | Vista 10 is coming!! | Jul 18 13:59 |
| schestowitz | !google slashdot microsoft womens football | Jul 18 13:59 |
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| schestowitz | !google slashdot microsoft womens football | Jul 18 14:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Cornell Study: For STEM Tenure Track, Women ... - Slashdot Science | http://science.slashdot.org/story/15/04/14/1549207/cornell-study-for-stem-tenure-track-women-twice-as-likely-to-be-hired-as-men | Jul 18 14:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Lies, Damn Lies, and Tech Diversity Statistics - Slashdot | http://politics.slashdot.org/story/15/01/17/233208/lies-damn-lies-and-tech-diversity-statistics | Jul 18 14:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - US Dept. of Education Teams With Microsoft-Led Teach ... - Slashdot | http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/04/14/0322222/us-dept-of-education-teams-with-microsoft-led-teachorg-on-teacher-diversity | Jul 18 14:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - How Machine Learning Can Transform Online Dating - Slashdot | http://slashdot.org/story/13/12/31/1437227/how-machine-learning-can-transform-online-dating | Jul 18 14:00 |
| cubexyz | Microsoft was always crap compared to DEC and Sun | Jul 18 14:00 |
| schestowitz | [16:52] <TweetSchestowitz> @slashdot Microsoft Uses US Women's Soccer Team To | Jul 18 14:00 |
| schestowitz | [16:52] <TweetSchestowitz> Explain Why It Doesn't Hire More Women | Jul 18 14:00 |
| schestowitz | [16:52] <TweetSchestowitz> http://t.co/CRPhexAmRD | Jul 18 14:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-developers.slashdot.org | Microsoft Uses US Women's Soccer Team To Explain Why It Doesn't Hire More Women - Slashdot | Jul 18 14:00 | |
| schestowitz | [16:52] <TweetSchestowitz> (developers.slashdot.org) | Jul 18 14:00 |
| schestowitz | [16:52] <TweetSchestowitz> ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n5n8f | Jul 18 14:00 |
| cubexyz | they had one big advantage: the IBM PC legacy and they ran on cheap hardware | Jul 18 14:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@slashdot: Microsoft Uses US Women's Soccer Team To Explain Why It Doesn't Hire More Women http://t.co/CRPhexAmRD | Jul 18 14:00 | |
| schestowitz | They don't hire men either | Jul 18 14:00 |
| schestowitz | They're firing people | Jul 18 14:00 |
| schestowitz | and shrinking the offices of existing staff | Jul 18 14:00 |
| cubexyz | yes, it is the beginning of the end for them | Jul 18 14:01 |
| schestowitz | depending on which division | Jul 18 14:01 |
| cubexyz | who knows how many people run Linux/BSD on old hardware, I bet it's a LOT | Jul 18 14:01 |
| schestowitz | I think we need to focus on changing patent regime, esp. with all those 'trade' agreements | Jul 18 14:01 |
| MinceR | and yet both DEC and Sun are dead | Jul 18 14:01 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft will do a fine job killing itself, as Novell did before it | Jul 18 14:01 |
| cubexyz | didn't Oracle pick up Sun? | Jul 18 14:01 |
| schestowitz | lots of articles now about why you SHOULD run Linux on "Azune" [sic] | Jul 18 14:02 |
| schestowitz | !google linux on azure | Jul 18 14:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Endorsed distributions of Linux in Azure - Microsoft Azure | https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/documentation/articles/virtual-machines-linux-endorsed-distributions/ | Jul 18 14:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Create a virtual machine running Linux in Azure - Microsoft Azure | http://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/documentation/articles/virtual-machines-linux-tutorial/ | Jul 18 14:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Linux on Azure—a Strange Place to Find a Penguin | Linux Journal | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linux-azure%25E2%2580%2594-strange-place-find-penguin | Jul 18 14:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Microsoft “loves Linux” as it makes Azure bigger, better | Ars Technica | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/10/microsoft-loves-linux-as-it-makes-azure-bigger-better/ | Jul 18 14:02 |
| schestowitz | I want a Linux of IDIOTIC companies that actually went this route | Jul 18 14:02 |
| schestowitz | maybe they already has an account there | Jul 18 14:02 |
| MinceR | the death of haiku >> https://www.haiku-os.org/blog/axeld/2015-07-17_introducing_launch_daemon | Jul 18 14:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.haiku-os.org | Introducing the launch_daemon | Haiku Project [ http://ur1.ca/n5ob8 ] | Jul 18 14:02 | |
| schestowitz | as some have with AWS | Jul 18 14:02 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, DEC was important in it's day, so was Bell Labs | Jul 18 14:02 |
| schestowitz | So they thought, wait a minute, we can also create a *NUX instance | Jul 18 14:02 |
| MinceR | it could still be important, had fascists not killed it | Jul 18 14:03 |
| schestowitz | Is Bell still around? | Jul 18 14:03 |
| schestowitz | Not the Canadian one | Jul 18 14:03 |
| cubexyz | sure | Jul 18 14:03 |
| schestowitz | There's Bellsouth | Jul 18 14:03 |
| cubexyz | Bell Labs still exists, but it's a lot smaller now | Jul 18 14:03 |
| schestowitz | which I assume is one of the bits it got broken down to | Jul 18 14:03 |
| schestowitz | Bellsouth blocks my emails | Jul 18 14:03 |
| schestowitz | for like 7 years now | Jul 18 14:03 |
| schestowitz | thinks my outgoing mail server is rogue, no other ISP does this | Jul 18 14:04 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: maybe like the next Nortell | Jul 18 14:04 |
| schestowitz | *tel | Jul 18 14:04 |
| schestowitz | What are they making, headsets? | Jul 18 14:04 |
| schestowitz | Or business ware? | Jul 18 14:04 |
| cubexyz | good question | Jul 18 14:05 |
| cubexyz | I still talk to the old guard | Jul 18 14:05 |
| schestowitz | UNIX and BSD seem to be going nowhere. Solaris is hardly getting any love from Oracle, either | Jul 18 14:05 |
| schestowitz | SCO dead... | Jul 18 14:05 |
| schestowitz | and many big developer names and companies go to Linux Foundation-centric consortia | Jul 18 14:05 |
| schestowitz | maybe there won't be much left of UNIX in 10 years | Jul 18 14:05 |
| cubexyz | OpenBSD is still going strong | Jul 18 14:05 |
| schestowitz | for routers and stuff | Jul 18 14:05 |
| schestowitz | but it's a niche | Jul 18 14:06 |
| schestowitz | and the bsd-based security distros I dealt with were crap | Jul 18 14:06 |
| cubexyz | some of the old Bell folks use FreeBSD, some use NetBSD | Jul 18 14:06 |
| schestowitz | one of them we had to spend a lot of effort replacing with Linux | Jul 18 14:06 |
| schestowitz | pfsense | Jul 18 14:06 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: but are any young people using it? | Jul 18 14:06 |
| schestowitz | It looks like UNIX veterans use it | Jul 18 14:07 |
| schestowitz | but I hardly see young people on UNIX, they hardly know what it means | Jul 18 14:07 |
| cubexyz | Theo is around my age | Jul 18 14:07 |
| cubexyz | yeah | Jul 18 14:07 |
| schestowitz | except that crap Apple coughs out and calls "BSD" | Jul 18 14:07 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: but Theo is not so young anymore | Jul 18 14:07 |
| schestowitz | maybe mid 40s? | Jul 18 14:07 |
| schestowitz | the university students don't do UNIX | Jul 18 14:07 |
| cubexyz | actually he's younger than me :) | Jul 18 14:08 |
| cubexyz | 1968 | Jul 18 14:08 |
| cubexyz | 47 | Jul 18 14:08 |
| schestowitz | RMS is neatly 63 I think | Jul 18 14:08 |
| schestowitz | wonder if he'll retire, ever... | Jul 18 14:08 |
| schestowitz | GNU is hardly spoken about | Jul 18 14:08 |
| schestowitz | he never made a true comeback | Jul 18 14:09 |
| schestowitz | and FSF lost momentum around 2007 | Jul 18 14:09 |
| schestowitz | RMS seems to get some more respect, but the Foundation erases his role in GNU/Linux with its Torvalds cult | Jul 18 14:09 |
| MinceR | he has practically retired | Jul 18 14:10 |
| cubexyz | there's a bit of a schism between the BSD and Linux camps | Jul 18 14:10 |
| MinceR | he doesn't care about the cancerd takeover | Jul 18 14:10 |
| cubexyz | I use both, I like traditional Unix but I also like Linux (mostly) | Jul 18 14:10 |
| cubexyz | I'm not too keen on systemd and a few other developments | Jul 18 14:11 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I'd take the same stance as him | Jul 18 14:12 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: never wrote a post in TR about systemd | Jul 18 14:13 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to be in this fight | Jul 18 14:13 |
| schestowitz | it would have me hates by a high % in the Linux world | Jul 18 14:13 |
| MinceR | those who don't want to be in this fight will merely lose it | Jul 18 14:13 |
| schestowitz | because there's a high volume of people who get dragged along | Jul 18 14:13 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yeah | Jul 18 14:13 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I think RMS just says, it's free software, so OK | Jul 18 14:14 |
| schestowitz | he pioneered the 4 freedom thing, he's not into preaching about modularity, design patterns etc. | Jul 18 14:14 |
| MinceR | the problem is, some of its principles are diametrically opposed to free software | Jul 18 14:14 |
| schestowitz | or even microkernels, he gave up on this fight | Jul 18 14:14 |
| schestowitz | systemd? | Jul 18 14:14 |
| schestowitz | How so? | Jul 18 14:14 |
| MinceR | systemd is deliberately designed to make it difficult for independent users/developers to change or replace | Jul 18 14:14 |
| schestowitz | they adhere to the 4 freedoms | Jul 18 14:14 |
| MinceR | no they don't | Jul 18 14:15 |
| schestowitz | same thing he said about mono and gnu dotnet | Jul 18 14:15 |
| MinceR | they make a lame charade of adhering to the 4 freedoms | Jul 18 14:15 |
| schestowitz | mono is another issue because of patents | Jul 18 14:15 |
| MinceR | while using microsoft-like tactics against competitors | Jul 18 14:15 |
| schestowitz | and Microsoft as the one with leverage, with bad history | Jul 18 14:15 |
| gde33 | cant you fork it and remove or limit those limitations? | Jul 18 14:15 |
| schestowitz | red hat isn't historically evil | Jul 18 14:15 |
| MinceR | redcrap has too much leverage | Jul 18 14:15 |
| MinceR | and they've shown their true colors | Jul 18 14:15 |
| schestowitz | "but hey, it's free software" -LP | Jul 18 14:15 |
| schestowitz | or something like that | Jul 18 14:15 |
| schestowitz | I think it's similar to what some mono boosters said | Jul 18 14:16 |
| gde33 | stallman sounds like controlled opposition with his free blah | Jul 18 14:16 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they aren't alone, hardware partners like intel have a lot of power too | Jul 18 14:16 |
| schestowitz | since OSDL days | Jul 18 14:16 |
| schestowitz | but Intel devs now work on systemd | Jul 18 14:16 |
| MinceR | "and its FREE!" -LP | Jul 18 14:16 |
| schestowitz | I think as #2 contributor | Jul 18 14:16 |
| MinceR | shows he doesn't care about freedom, only money (and power) | Jul 18 14:16 |
| schestowitz | phoronix recently surveyed participants by scanning the mailing list logs | Jul 18 14:17 |
| schestowitz | LP is not evil | Jul 18 14:17 |
| schestowitz | he just makes crap | Jul 18 14:17 |
| schestowitz | like PA | Jul 18 14:17 |
| MinceR | moronix loves everything that takes away our freedom | Jul 18 14:17 |
| schestowitz | I think it's sort of not total crap anymore | Jul 18 14:17 |
| MinceR | they love mono, systemd | Jul 18 14:17 |
| MinceR | they love attacking gnu/linux | Jul 18 14:17 |
| schestowitz | but it caused much damage back in the days | Jul 18 14:17 |
| MinceR | LP is evil and immature | Jul 18 14:17 |
| schestowitz | I used to have to reboot because of that crap of his | Jul 18 14:17 |
| MinceR | http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html | Jul 18 14:18 |
| schestowitz | and the PA people blamed Canonical packaging | Jul 18 14:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.freedesktop.org | [systemd-devel] [PATCH] Drop the udev firmware loader [ http://ur1.ca/ir0kd ] | Jul 18 14:18 | |
| schestowitz | I had the same issues with PA in Mandrive | Jul 18 14:18 |
| schestowitz | *rriva | Jul 18 14:18 |
| gde33 | until the whole pc is open source the disease will just spread | Jul 18 14:18 |
| gde33 | it should probably even be manufactured by a government | Jul 18 14:18 |
| MinceR | it shouldn't | Jul 18 14:18 |
| cubexyz | the funny thing is, some folks are still fixing PDP-11s and running ancient Unix | Jul 18 14:18 |
| MinceR | governments are very corruptible and are already corrupted | Jul 18 14:18 |
| gde33 | anything else will have the disease of comerce all over it | Jul 18 14:18 |
| schestowitz | systemd doesn't bother me at the moment as much as patents, proprietary software, etc. | Jul 18 14:19 |
| MinceR | antitrust laws aren't enforced against m$ or crApple in the USA or in the EU | Jul 18 14:19 |
| cubexyz | nothing really dies if it has a community to support it | Jul 18 14:19 |
| schestowitz | devuan will hopefully gain enough following | Jul 18 14:19 |
| schestowitz | like trinity desktop | Jul 18 14:19 |
| cubexyz | exactly | Jul 18 14:19 |
| gde33 | MinceR: that is a backwards looking vision, it is good to consider history but it cant be an excuse to stop the future | Jul 18 14:19 |
| MinceR | governments will do nothing if m$ and crApple lock users into their platforms using uefi | Jul 18 14:19 |
| schestowitz | they try... | Jul 18 14:19 |
| cubexyz | even IRC is a community of a sort | Jul 18 14:19 |
| MinceR | they might even make general purpose computers illegal under some excuse like turrism, child porn and malware | Jul 18 14:19 |
| gde33 | thats just it, they will try that | Jul 18 14:20 |
| schestowitz | maybe not for everyone | Jul 18 14:20 |
| MinceR | or piracy (DRM circumvention) | Jul 18 14:20 |
| gde33 | but it cant work | Jul 18 14:20 |
| MinceR | gde33: they won't do anything that's good for the people | Jul 18 14:20 |
| schestowitz | they just need to say you must follow rules for business, gov. etc. | Jul 18 14:20 |
| schestowitz | and for your home PC you might be exempted | Jul 18 14:20 |
| gde33 | you cant convince programmers to abandon the open source philosophy just like that | Jul 18 14:20 |
| gde33 | not after it happens | Jul 18 14:20 |
| schestowitz | germany sort of bans UEFI on gov. PCs, as I understand it.. | Jul 18 14:20 |
| MinceR | the fascists have put m$ in the place of the eternal monopoly and crApple into the token competition | Jul 18 14:21 |
| gde33 | I'm not kidding when I say that closed source should be illegal | Jul 18 14:21 |
| MinceR | they'll point to crApple and claim there's competition | Jul 18 14:21 |
| MinceR | and they won't let you run anything other than winblows and macos | Jul 18 14:21 |
| schestowitz | gde33: like other things | Jul 18 14:21 |
| gde33 | it should not be allowed to have black boxes that do something unexplained | Jul 18 14:21 |
| schestowitz | such as steroids in cycling | Jul 18 14:21 |
| cubexyz | you get a taste of open source you'll not want to go back to closed source | Jul 18 14:21 |
| schestowitz | why is armstrong not in prison? | Jul 18 14:21 |
| schestowitz | For embezzling millions by cheating? | Jul 18 14:21 |
| gde33 | sports is a nonsense topic | Jul 18 14:21 |
| schestowitz | I was thinking this in the morning.... I bet other people asked similar questions | Jul 18 14:21 |
| MinceR | don armstrong? good question | Jul 18 14:21 |
| schestowitz | Same reasons torturers aren't in prison | Jul 18 14:21 |
| MinceR | he's irrelevant though, debian is dead | Jul 18 14:22 |
| schestowitz | or petraeus | Jul 18 14:22 |
| cubexyz | stretch armstrong was good, at least he didn't cheat :) | Jul 18 14:22 |
| gde33 | this was a good talk http://disinfo.com/2015/07/everything-you-think-you-know-about-addiction-is-wrong/ | Jul 18 14:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-disinfo.com | Everything You Think You Know About Addiction Is Wrong - disinformation [ http://ur1.ca/n5oh8 ] | Jul 18 14:22 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: lars armstrong | Jul 18 14:22 |
| schestowitz | law decided on by the powerful | Jul 18 14:22 |
| schestowitz | proprietary serves those in power | Jul 18 14:22 |
| schestowitz | provided the maker is subservient to them of one of them (e.g. Gates) | Jul 18 14:22 |
| gde33 | MinceR: this was interesting too, essentially what you are refering to https://youtu.be/eA8w--EiH5k | Jul 18 14:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | The Myth Of Benevolent Central Authority - YouTube | Jul 18 14:23 | |
| schestowitz | so who would even initiate an action banning proprietary software? People with pitchforks? | Jul 18 14:23 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: ah, is that doll still around? | Jul 18 14:23 |
| gde33 | schestowitz: oh if it is not you? no one will | Jul 18 14:23 |
| schestowitz | last saw it 20 years ago, almost... | Jul 18 14:23 |
| gde33 | if you are going to errase yourself from the equation it cant happen | Jul 18 14:23 |
| cubexyz | haha, maybe on ebay if kids haven't destroyed them all | Jul 18 14:23 |
| schestowitz | what a dumb toy | Jul 18 14:24 |
| gde33 | I wonder who is going to clean my kitchen | Jul 18 14:24 |
| schestowitz | not as bad as Oreo barbie | Jul 18 14:24 |
| schestowitz | or that batman thing with buttplug hole and trigger in the penis | Jul 18 14:24 |
| cubexyz | in 1976 it was big! :) | Jul 18 14:24 |
| schestowitz | or that lion king doll where the monkey rears simba | Jul 18 14:24 |
| MinceR | and when the lendows fanboys realize their beloved platform is too insecure and unreliable, just like their beloved windows was | Jul 18 14:24 |
| MinceR | and move to a remaining free unix | Jul 18 14:25 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: 1976? | Jul 18 14:25 |
| MinceR | i'll say "i told you so" | Jul 18 14:25 |
| schestowitz | I saw one in 1996 or thereabouts | Jul 18 14:25 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, yes, I remember lots of kids liked it. | Jul 18 14:25 |
| schestowitz | maybe a different thing, different brand | Jul 18 14:25 |
| MinceR | (provided we'll have a choice about the matter, that is) | Jul 18 14:25 |
| schestowitz | anyway, was angry at Lance Armstrong | Jul 18 14:25 |
| schestowitz | puts sports to shame | Jul 18 14:25 |
| cubexyz | one of my dumb friends stretched it too much and pulled his arm off | Jul 18 14:25 |
| schestowitz | and harms honest people | Jul 18 14:25 |
| schestowitz | in much of the same way proprietary software vendors often do when it comes to procurement | Jul 18 14:26 |
| schestowitz | bribes, threats, etc. | Jul 18 14:26 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: what was in it? Sand> | Jul 18 14:26 |
| schestowitz | systemd is not a huge issue IMHO | Jul 18 14:26 |
| schestowitz | an internal rift | Jul 18 14:26 |
| schestowitz | but verges on civil war | Jul 18 14:26 |
| MinceR | i'm more angry at don armstrong | Jul 18 14:27 |
| MinceR | he's a fascist asshole | Jul 18 14:27 |
| schestowitz | so maybe better lessened in public | Jul 18 14:27 |
| schestowitz | who's he? | Jul 18 14:27 |
| schestowitz | !google don armstrong | Jul 18 14:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Don Armstrong Media | http://donarmstrongmedia.com/ | Jul 18 14:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Don H. Armstrong - Ballotpedia | http://ballotpedia.org/Don_H._Armstrong | Jul 18 14:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Don W. Armstrong CPA - Offers Professional Solutions for Tax ... | http://www.donarmstrongcpa.com/ | Jul 18 14:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Don Armstrong | http://www.donarmstrong.com/ | Jul 18 14:27 |
| schestowitz | common name, I guess. Neil Armstrong probably most famous among the Armstrongs | Jul 18 14:28 |
| schestowitz | for anti-Soviet propaganda | Jul 18 14:28 |
| MinceR | main censor of the debian mailing lists | Jul 18 14:28 |
| MinceR | bans dissenters | Jul 18 14:28 |
| cubexyz | schestowitz, evidently Stretch Armstrong was filled with gelled corn syrup | Jul 18 14:29 |
| cubexyz | they stopped making them in 1980 | Jul 18 14:30 |
| cubexyz | pretty clever actually | Jul 18 14:32 |
| cubexyz | boiled corn syrup with some moisture removed forms a gel with memory properties | Jul 18 14:32 |
| schestowitz | reuse of waste | Jul 18 14:40 |
| schestowitz | wasted on children | Jul 18 14:41 |
| cubexyz | well not to be too zen about it... materialism doesn't lead to happiness | Jul 18 14:56 |
| cubexyz | I can't wait until Iphone 7 comes out... hahahaha | Jul 18 14:56 |
| cubexyz | sign up now and you can get 10 cassettes for 1 cent | Jul 18 14:58 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6354393 | Jul 18 14:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Xubuntu Linux is Being Used to Teach Students at Colegio Hispano Americano in #PuertoRico http://news.softpedia.com/news/xubuntu-linux-is-being-used-to-teach-students-at-colegio-hispano-americano-in-puerto-rico-487132.shtml #gnu #linux | Jul 18 14:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Xubuntu Linux Is Being Used to Teach Students at Colegio Hispano Americano in Puerto Rico - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/n5ouh ] | Jul 18 14:59 | |
| schestowitz | "At least it’s GNU/Linux, maybe it isn’t 100% free as in freedom but, it’s a good beginning." | Jul 18 14:59 |
| schestowitz | "Hope they use gnewsense or something, but there aren’t many people contributing to true free OS | Jul 18 14:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 18 14:59 |
| schestowitz | Many components of a free OS are maintained by many | Jul 18 15:00 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6358956 | Jul 18 15:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #uk is not a safe place, neither for journalists nor for sources. We're rapidly becoming no better than #singapore or even #china | Jul 18 15:02 | |
| schestowitz | "At least the UK is wealthier than China." | Jul 18 15:02 |
| schestowitz | smaller population | Jul 18 15:02 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Debian Project Lead: Snappy and Mir Bad Ideas | Jul 18 15:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by http://t.co/OWuhWXKaZg (ostatic.com) | Jul 18 15:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com | Debian Project Lead: Snappy and Mir Bad Ideas | Jul 18 15:29 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-5 to Land on BQ Aquaris | Jul 18 15:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Devices First, Meizu MX4 Users Must Wait | Jul 18 15:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch OTA-5 to Land on BQ Aquaris Devices First, Meizu MX4 Users Must Wait | Tux Machines | Jul 18 15:29 | |
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| __martin__ | corrupt gov't IT in slovakia // next round | Jul 18 15:37 |
| __martin__ | http://dsl.sk/article.php?article=17244 | Jul 18 15:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dsl.sk | DSL.sk - tt dva za licencie Microsoftu alch 55.8 milinov eur | Jul 18 15:37 | |
| __martin__ | http://www.soit.sk/sk/clanok/248-spolocna-vyzva-sisp-a-soit-v-suvislosti-s-podpisom-zmluvy-o-dodavke-softveru-v-ramci-zmluvy-microsoft-enterprise-agreement | Jul 18 15:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.soit.sk | Spoločná výzva SISp a SOIT v súvislosti s podpisom zmluvy o dodávke softvéru v rámci zmluvy Microsoft Enterprise Agreement - Spoločnosť pre otvorené informačné technológie - SOIT [ http://ur1.ca/n5p5i ] | Jul 18 15:37 | |
| __martin__ | thinking of leaving europe behind and moving to asia | Jul 18 15:38 |
| __martin__ | (will take 2 to 3 years to take off) | Jul 18 15:38 |
| __martin__ | [footnote by myself: the biggest gov't owned company being here the national forests company.. they have such an idiocratic vendor lock-in or erp/crm etc. that i was lethally disgusted @ while having a sneak peek into their intranet components by an employee] | Jul 18 15:41 |
| __martin__ | on* | Jul 18 15:41 |
| MinceR | http://img.linuxfr.org/img/68747470733a2f2f6861636b2d6c696272652e6f72672f66696c65732f6c697672655f7072c3a966c3a972c3a95f6c656e6e6172742d35303070782e6a7067/livre_pr%C3%A9f%C3%A9r%C3%A9_lennart-500px.jpg | Jul 18 15:41 |
| __martin__ | yay mince | Jul 18 15:41 |
| MinceR | http://fullchan4jtta4sx.onion.city/tech/src/1436763000218.jpg | Jul 18 15:41 |
| __martin__ | lennartd liblennatd | Jul 18 15:41 |
| __martin__ | :_D | Jul 18 15:41 |
| __martin__ | r*/0* | Jul 18 15:42 |
| MinceR | systemd-lennartd | Jul 18 15:42 |
| __martin__ | MinceR: right now crunching through [DNG] "Bad" future is coming && Linus answers a question about systemd threads | Jul 18 15:43 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 18 15:44 |
| MinceR | http://troubleshooters.com/linux/diy/images/hidty.png | Jul 18 15:45 |
| cubexyz | lol | Jul 18 15:47 |
| MinceR | __martin__: where is that thread? dyne's search engine can't find it | Jul 18 15:53 |
| __martin__ | {also a nice flame regards vi$ta10 eula in my country http://www.zive.sk/diskusia/320513/windows-10-povinne-aktualizacie-chrani-licencia | note that the actual portal serves m$ PR in same manners as fartstechnica UK} | Jul 18 15:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zive.sk | Živé.sk | Najnovšie správy o počítačoch, IT a internete [ http://ur1.ca/n5pa8 ] | Jul 18 15:53 | |
| MinceR | what changed in the eula? | Jul 18 15:54 |
| __martin__ | same 'ol shit | Jul 18 15:54 |
| __martin__ | MinceR: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20150701.182146.2604336c.en.html | Jul 18 15:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.dyne.org | [DNG] Linus answers a question about systemd [ http://ur1.ca/n5pao ] | Jul 18 15:55 | |
| __martin__ | as for the "bad" future coming.. you are right, search shows up nothing | Jul 18 15:55 |
| MinceR | thx | Jul 18 15:55 |
| __martin__ | here you go | Jul 18 15:59 |
| __martin__ | https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20150703.113507.8be9f65c.en.html | Jul 18 15:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.dyne.org | [DNG] "Bad" future is coming [ http://ur1.ca/n5pca ] | Jul 18 15:59 | |
| MinceR | thx | Jul 18 16:00 |
| cubexyz | just thinking it would be nice to be able to hit delete on the mouse | Jul 18 16:04 |
| MinceR | http://www.micwil.com/images/gallery/ortek_mobile_2_in_1_mouse_keypad_p2_1000x1000.jpg | Jul 18 16:08 |
| MinceR | like this? :> | Jul 18 16:08 |
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| cubexyz | interesting | Jul 18 16:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/XObjx1yLPE | Jul 18 16:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Jul 18 16:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Linux 4.2 Mainline Kernel From Ubuntu Is | Jul 18 16:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Finally Working Again http://t.co/NqQ0b1vyjR | Jul 18 16:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Linux 4.2 Mainline Kernel From Ubuntu Is Finally Working Again | Tux Machines | Jul 18 16:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open-Source Linux Graphics: A10-7870K Godavari | Jul 18 16:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | vs. i7-4790K Haswell vs. i7-5775C Broadwell | Jul 18 16:10 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 11 Service Pack 4 | Jul 18 16:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Adds Support for IBM POWER8 | Jul 18 16:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 11 Service Pack 4 Adds Support for IBM POWER8 | Tux Machines | Jul 18 16:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-6 to Bring Telegram App | Jul 18 16:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Improvements, New Thumbnailer | Jul 18 16:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch OTA-6 to Bring Telegram App Improvements, New Thumbnailer | Tux Machines | Jul 18 16:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Leftovers http://t.co/dzPIMkE0ur | Jul 18 16:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 18 16:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 18 16:27 | |
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| cubexyz | I thought win7 was kind of crashy too | Jul 18 16:55 |
| cubexyz | it's just the same old stuff | Jul 18 16:55 |
| MinceR | it's the same old stuff with a different skin, an even more horribly set up UAC and it also breaks sshd | Jul 18 16:56 |
| cubexyz | so DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_THAN_OR_EQUAL_TO etc | Jul 18 16:56 |
| cubexyz | I've never seen the vesa driver in openbsd crash | Jul 18 16:57 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 18 16:57 |
| cubexyz | but windows, it's just "oh well it crashed again" | Jul 18 16:57 |
| cubexyz | then you do all the stuff Microsoft tells you, and it doesn't fix the problem | Jul 18 16:58 |
| cubexyz | "exchange your video card" | Jul 18 16:58 |
| cubexyz | "update your BIOS" | Jul 18 16:58 |
| MinceR | reboot, reboot and then reboot some more | Jul 18 17:00 |
| MinceR | reinstall | Jul 18 17:00 |
| MinceR | (it's also redcrap's answer to everything) | Jul 18 17:00 |
| cubexyz | redhat used to be good | Jul 18 17:02 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-5 to Land on BQ Aquaris | Jul 18 18:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Devices First, Meizu MX4 Users Must Wait | Jul 18 18:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch OTA-5 to Land on BQ Aquaris Devices First, Meizu MX4 Users Must Wait | Tux Machines | Jul 18 18:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Linux 4.2 Mainline Kernel From Ubuntu Is | Jul 18 18:08 |
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| cubexyz | ok, starting to grok pic files | Jul 18 18:10 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 18 18:10 |
| cubexyz | old pic I'm still not sure about | Jul 18 18:11 |
| cubexyz | ok | Jul 18 18:13 |
| cubexyz | basically old pic is slightly different from GNU pic | Jul 18 18:13 |
| cubexyz | but I believe I understand the differences well enough to covert old pic to GNU pic | Jul 18 18:13 |
| cubexyz | relative co-ordinate system | Jul 18 18:16 |
| cubexyz | oh well here's my first masterpiece: | Jul 18 18:23 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/simple-pic-to-jpeg.jpg | Jul 18 18:24 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Not Just For Desktops: 10 Devices You Can | Jul 18 18:48 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Gorgeous Ubuntu-Based Chromixium 1.5 Distro | Jul 18 19:28 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 18/7/2015: Android PC, Chromixium 1.5 | Jul 18 21:00 |
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| oiaohm | Another OS project looking to give up on script based start. | Jul 18 23:57 |
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