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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights http://t.co/SwR10nE7j9Jul 12 00:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesJul 12 00:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: KDE/Qt http://t.co/A6d52dyTCoJul 12 00:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: KDE/Qt | Tux MachinesJul 12 00:11
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/e9uHdFvUsxJul 12 00:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux MachinesJul 12 00:18
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos http://t.co/wdr7US1esuJul 12 00:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJul 12 00:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's leftovers http://t.co/LuklVonGRvJul 12 00:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesJul 12 00:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesJul 12 00:19
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/619999150373928960?cn=ZmF2b3JpdGVfbWVudGlvbmVkX3VzZXI%3D&refsrc=emailJul 12 06:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz And even SaaS which you run is cut of the same cloth. Ultimately it is about who is in control.Jul 12 06:34
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/619998811042086912Jul 12 06:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz True of SaaS controlled by others, but IaaS and PaaS are just means for you to buy elastic computing capacity.Jul 12 06:35
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620059830527655936?cn=ZmF2b3JpdGVfbWVudGlvbmVkX3VzZXI%3D&refsrc=emailJul 12 06:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz I think I got it! "influential in THE PAST" (ignoring the non-coder kleptocrat jerk). All the languages mentioned are obsolete.Jul 12 06:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Kodi 15.0 Isengard – RC 2Jul 12 06:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kodi 15.0 Isengard – RC 2 | Tux MachinesJul 12 06:38
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620059830527655936?cn=ZmF2b3JpdGVfbWVudGlvbmVkX3VzZXI%3D&refsrc=emailJul 12 06:39
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/619999497767120896?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=0afd2619b9f5fb4a7591c0a0f7bde8ea75a8c977&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=26eb3e419dde42548dc3a7979215545d&autoactions=1436654374&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267Jul 12 06:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz You don't need physical possession of a computer to control it anymore. So Cloud is not 'bad' per-seJul 12 06:40
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/619999932926177280?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=85c22dcd13908e7c700870c352ba073c2870a6e2&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=4e1b0af7dcc4411085232421b29655ca&autoactions=1436654478&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267Jul 12 06:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz Using services which other people control or which are proprietary is obviously silly, because you have ceded your rights.Jul 12 06:40
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/620000244747534336?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=d0dfde2434da24627213c3f074ec3d593c5afa31&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=f07a9de5505c43acbcee5b6c5d343820&autoactions=1436654552&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267Jul 12 06:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz There is 'good cloud'. OpenStack, for example. And SpiderOak. And probably more.Jul 12 06:41
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/620000549799243777?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=7546152e54cabea7cdd39c40f63993ea548f493b&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=52c37686339245c991665e273d548960&autoactions=1436654625&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267Jul 12 06:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz Best yet are pending decentralized services based on blockchain or other consensus mechanisms. Ethereum. MaidSafe, etc.Jul 12 06:41
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/BobSummerwill/status/620000627272253441Jul 12 06:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BobSummerwill: @schestowitz And Tor will likely be part of the answer.Jul 12 06:43
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     How To Install VirtualBox 5.0 In Ubuntu/LinuxJul 12 13:02
TweetTuxMachines                 Mint Or Other DerivativesJul 12 13:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How To Install VirtualBox 5.0 In Ubuntu/Linux Mint Or Other Derivatives | Tux MachinesJul 12 13:02
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu To Ship On Lenovo Thinkpad L450 In IndiaJul 12 13:02
TweetTuxMachines                 - Welcome Ubuntu http://t.co/GqlNwX1A7bJul 12 13:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu To Ship On Lenovo Thinkpad L450 In India - Welcome Ubuntu | Tux MachinesJul 12 13:02
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r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FitbitSupport/status/620106759093424128 https://twitter.com/FitbitSupport/status/620106802819039232Jul 12 13:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FitbitSupport: @schestowitz 1/2 We're sorry to hear about this! All Fitbit trackers are water-resistant. Please check this link: http://t.co/ln3i8gQnqf.Jul 12 13:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> help.fitbit.com | Fitbit Help - Can I swim or shower with my tracker?Jul 12 13:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FitbitSupport: @schestowitz 2/2 Please advise your friend to email us at http://t.co/n568EV68G3 and we'll be taking it from there.Jul 12 13:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> help.fitbit.com | Contact SupportJul 12 13:18
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r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jmcest/status/620208951125262336Jul 12 13:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: MT @schestowitz Law Firm Report Backs Allegation That American Psychological Association Was Complicit in #Torture http://t.co/gIpsEqtCcxJul 12 13:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.slate.com | American Psychological Association, CIA torture: Report says APA coordinated to allow enhanced interrogation.Jul 12 13:36
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jmcest/status/620209003646316544Jul 12 13:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: RT @schestowitz Psychologists' collusion with US torture limited our ability to decry it anywhere http://t.co/MdXNwKujMg #tortureJul 12 13:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com | Psychologists' collusion with US torture limited our ability to decry it anywhere | Dr Steven Miles | Comment is free | The GuardianJul 12 13:36
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/T_Miller_Harper/status/620208991851913216Jul 12 13:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@T_Miller_Harper: @schestowitz I do hope these are not the same buggers that IDS will use to "Test" and "adjust thinking" for those on welfare.Jul 12 13:37
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jmcest/status/620209395784359936Jul 12 13:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: RT @schestowitz FP justifies mass #surveillance using odd logic of the all-knowing theory http://t.co/CDrZ5QfEWAJul 12 13:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> foreignpolicy.com | CIA study of ‘Commanders and Surprise’ says that if you want to avoid being surprised, manage your intel people | Foreign PolicyJul 12 13:37
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schestowitz[14:02] <r_schestowitz> https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/620216278821769216Jul 12 14:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz They are great, my dad lent us his and we haven't given back yet. What you diying?Jul 12 14:04
schestowitz[14:02] <r_schestowitz>  a bookshelfJul 12 14:04
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620249838651875328Jul 12 16:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz It's been rejected on the grounds that he gets too close to the truth and nobody can be allowed to question official versionsJul 12 16:18
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620250375736659968Jul 12 16:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz I reject the official account because it's fiction. OTOH Hersh practices journalism, which is verboten under current regime.Jul 12 16:19
schestowitzhistorically, for many decades, he has proven to be often correctJul 12 16:19
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620254265819426816Jul 12 16:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz Sadly, the rednecks react with a war on sharks. https://t.co/E9BEVypmD4 @#&^@&@&%@ humansJul 12 16:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.thedodo.com | Experts Call Australia’s Shark Cull “Revenge Killings”Jul 12 16:33
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620254444341600256   https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620254644267274240 https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620254772650737664Jul 12 16:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz That's the funny thing about actual research. OTOH "Historically, official versions have been proven to be completely made up"Jul 12 16:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: But of course, of course he is. Why would anyone doubt it? https://t.co/BMHPmKdO8oJul 12 16:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #jebbush reminds us that he is a Hawk, like Clinton http://t.co/2bXevKackSJul 12 16:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: Headlines I'd like to read: "Infuriated by any possibility of a plea bargain for war criminal George W Bush". @schestowitzJul 12 16:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights http://t.co/d81Vsdq3YVJul 12 16:41
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6311356Jul 12 17:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Papyros Linux Distro Uses a New Material Design Shell http://news.softpedia.com/news/papyros-linux-distro-uses-a-new-material-design-shell-486460.shtmlJul 12 17:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Papyros Linux Distro Uses a New Material Design Shell - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/n3q2s ]Jul 12 17:02
schestowitz""Am I the only one who thinks that Material design actually looks like a hideous, day-glo throwback to the early 80’s… with shadows? I really don’t see why so many seem to be in love with it. The cards and dropshadows are nice, but their philosophy on color… Eurgh."Jul 12 17:02
schestowitzMaybe the target market is not computer prosJul 12 17:02
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6316807Jul 12 17:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Core Linux tools top list of most at-risk software http://www.infoworld.com/article/2946566/security/core-linux-tools-top-the-list-of-most-at-risk-software.htmlJul 12 17:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.infoworld.com | Core Linux tools top list of most at-risk software | InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/n3q36 ]Jul 12 17:03
schestowitz"This reads like FUD to me.Jul 12 17:03
schestowitzWell, IDGJul 12 17:03
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6310165Jul 12 17:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Been experimenting with the latest #unity desktop from #canonical over the past day. Must admit I like some parts of it. Not bad at all.Jul 12 17:06
schestowitz"DO you still have time to make a cup of tea before it comes up, after pressing the meta key? That’s the main thing that drives me crazy (after disabling the “send my every query to Amazon” mode)"Jul 12 17:06
schestowitz"for me it’s still very unconfigurable, and it’s a pain trying to run conky there…"Jul 12 17:06
schestowitz"that’s my main DE"Jul 12 17:06
schestowitzMy wife tries it, but wants to go back to KDE Plasma...Jul 12 17:06
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6310202Jul 12 17:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Adobe? "Extra critical." To delete. It's critical people delete this malicious blob. #VP8 / #webm made it redundant. http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/july-15-security-fixes-for-adobes-flash-web-plugins-extra-critical/Jul 12 17:07
schestowitz"Yeah, I don’t even have Gnash installed anymore. Anything that’s not in an open format isn’t worth watching."Jul 12 17:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> alien.slackbook.org | Alien Pastures » July ’15 Security fixes for Adobe’s Flash web plugins (extra critical) [ http://ur1.ca/n3q4c ]Jul 12 17:07
schestowitz"Agreed @keith Bowes"Jul 12 17:07
schestowitzIT's often ads and resource hogsJul 12 17:07
MinceRi prefer holo to materialJul 12 17:08
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6311094Jul 12 17:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: A city that "never sleep" (and serves the stock market) is more likely to overcharge citizens and overwork them (for same salary). #londonJul 12 17:09
schestowitz"Jul 12 17:09
schestowitzIt used to be, if there was a shortage of black cabs, e.g. arriving with the last train, the drivers would ask the passengers where they were going and the cabbies would bundle those passengers into the cab who were going to roughly the same part of town.- same in Germany.Jul 12 17:09
schestowitzBut that was the cabbies acting on their own initiative, not through a central office :)Jul 12 17:09
schestowitzSounds like Uber is a bureaucracy…Jul 12 17:09
schestowitz"Jul 12 17:09
schestowitzIt's a lot worse than thatJul 12 17:09
schestowitzMinceR: what's holo?Jul 12 17:09
schestowitzMinceR: the MS thing?Jul 12 17:09
schestowitzhololens?Jul 12 17:09
MinceRno, the previous android gui styleJul 12 17:09
MinceRbefore materialJul 12 17:09
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620266639767011329Jul 12 17:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: That applies to pretty much everything Abbott (& your Tory fascists) are doing. @schestowitzJul 12 17:27
schestowitzPolitics worldwide moves to the right these days, much blame on poor ("lazy") people, immigrants, etc.Jul 12 17:27
schestowitzMinceR: like Orban too, I thinkJul 12 17:27
MinceRyes, as much as the left/right distinction is even relevantJul 12 17:27
MinceR(afaik it originally was about who supports and who opposes the status quo, but the status quo has changed much and is different in different countries)Jul 12 17:28
MinceRorban (like putler) learned how to run a dictatorship from fascists who called themselves socialist and/or communistJul 12 17:28
MinceRand then covered it in nationalist/christian fundamentalist flavorJul 12 17:29
MinceRturning "socialism" into "national socialism"Jul 12 17:29
schestowitzI saw Orban last night in an articleJul 12 17:30
schestowitzit was about censorshipJul 12 17:30
schestowitz"media regulation" or whatever he paints it asJul 12 17:30
schestowitzhere we have ToriesJul 12 17:30
schestowitzso we're down the same rabbitholeJul 12 17:30
MinceRthe whole planet is going to shitJul 12 17:31
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620269430031937536Jul 12 17:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz been happening4 a long time—easy to prove—just recall '01,when a coordinated event let them shift gears. Even that seems recentJul 12 17:36
schestowitzMinceR: yesterday a friend told meJul 12 17:36
schestowitz(not a good friend)Jul 12 17:36
MinceR:>Jul 12 17:36
schestowitzshe doesn't care what happens to the planetJul 12 17:36
MinceRevil friend?Jul 12 17:36
schestowitzyesJul 12 17:36
MinceR:)Jul 12 17:36
schestowitzfrom Iran, too :-pJul 12 17:36
schestowitzbut then I said, maybe you think you'll have a short lifeJul 12 17:37
schestowitzsome people can't be bothered about anything than current day/next weekJul 12 17:37
schestowitzit's grossJul 12 17:37
schestowitzbut I think that's how many people feelJul 12 17:37
schestowitzthe Ayn Rand mentalityJul 12 17:37
schestowitzobjectivism she called itJul 12 17:37
schestowitzabsolutismJul 12 17:37
schestowitzsome kind of perverse nihilistic atheismJul 12 17:38
MinceRobjectivism avoids the hard questionsJul 12 17:39
MinceRit's not as "objective" as they like to believe :>Jul 12 17:39
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schestowitzhttp://tuxmachines.org/messages/view/229#newJul 12 17:47
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schestowitz"Hi. I think you have a registration spam problem. There are always around 4 online users with usernames that are obviously random."Jul 12 17:47
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schestowitzyes, it is a big problem and one I have fought against for 1.5 years. At least they don't manage to post anymore.Jul 12 17:47
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/JBConseilsEnR/status/620278403544031232Jul 12 18:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JBConseilsEnR: #sotrue too many #journalists :1-have to write what they do not believe in 2-write "safe" papers 3-have latent brain https://t.co/2uiTVfxwy7Jul 12 18:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The world's most important articles tend to come from insiders blowing whistle, not "officials" or journos who start from "empty page"Jul 12 18:10
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/webmink/status/620278994735226880Jul 12 18:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@webmink: @schestowitz It's a big company - 160k people - and this is a deeply ingrained behaviour that will take a lot of shaking.Jul 12 18:11
schestowitzSomeone can hopefully tell those other parts that they serve to cause distrust, at least in other areas. *wink wink*.Jul 12 18:11
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/webmink/status/620279173366439936Jul 12 18:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@webmink: @WiproOS One for you to respond to. https://t.co/WSUqFYuRqRJul 12 18:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: With #patents hype on the agenda, I am starting to doubt #wipro will warm to FOSS http://t.co/XO4Hp9Tok1 http://t.co/L9X2E5sOPn @webminkJul 12 18:12
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/webmink/status/620282383741227009Jul 12 18:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesJul 12 18:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@webmink: @schestowitz I've been saying this since the first interview: "Reputation in open source is holistic and one good deed is not enough." :-)Jul 12 18:24
schestowitzI think it was Infosys CEO who recently blasted patents (inc. software) in the media. #wipro can pay attention to his remarks.Jul 12 18:25
schestowitz All the links I could find to that (in English) were pocketed in http://techrights.org/2015/01/17/abolition-of-software-patents/ scroll down for citationsJul 12 18:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Large Corporations, Including Microsoft Allies, Call for Abolition of Software Patents | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/jgh3e ]Jul 12 18:27
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     LaKademy 2015 http://t.co/IIA2Kil4KaJul 12 18:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LaKademy 2015 | Tux MachinesJul 12 18:33
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Phoronix on Graphics http://t.co/gcIDM0kUccJul 12 18:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Phoronix on Graphics | Tux MachinesJul 12 18:33
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n3qxvJul 12 18:33
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     NVIDIA's 352 Linux Driver Against Linux 4.1Jul 12 18:33
TweetTuxMachines                 With Nouveau Gallium3D http://t.co/kOn6ai8KQEJul 12 18:33
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.phoronix.com)Jul 12 18:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | NVIDIA's 352 Linux Driver Against Linux 4.1 With Nouveau Gallium3D - PhoronixJul 12 18:33
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6311356Jul 12 19:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Papyros Linux Distro Uses a New Material Design Shell http://news.softpedia.com/news/papyros-linux-distro-uses-a-new-material-design-shell-486460.shtmlJul 12 19:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Papyros Linux Distro Uses a New Material Design Shell - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/n3q2s ]Jul 12 19:32
schestowitz"Maybe the target market is not computer pros"Jul 12 19:32
MinceRit almost never is anymoreJul 12 19:33
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6316903Jul 12 19:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Based on the level of international media coverage, Amos Yee definitely succeed in showing that #LeeKuanYew is a naked emperorJul 12 19:34
schestowitz"You are not asking the obvious question - why is this happening now? There's nothing new about Singapore's attitude to liberties."Jul 12 19:34
schestowitzIt's good that Western media FINALLY decided to cover this, shattering the illusion many still have.Jul 12 19:34
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cubexyz"the planet" is fineJul 12 20:31
schestowitz"illegal alien"Jul 12 20:32
schestowitzhttp://www.examiner.com/article/chutzpah-obama-administration-blames-gop-for-murder-of-woman-by-illegal-alienJul 12 20:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.examiner.com | Chutzpah: Obama administration blames GOP for murder of woman by illegal alien - National Law Enforcement | Examiner.com [ http://ur1.ca/n3s2m ]Jul 12 20:32
cubexyzit's the management of resources which is bad Jul 12 20:32
schestowitz"Do you believe in aliens?"Jul 12 20:32
schestowitz"yes, I watched FOX"Jul 12 20:32
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/DUC6tNh.jpgJul 12 20:33
MinceRor perhaps  http://cdn.meme.am/instances/51056007.jpgJul 12 20:34
cubexyzI'm not saying it's Aliens... :)Jul 12 20:34
MinceRhttp://www.troll.me/images/aliens-guy/im-not-saying-that-it-was-aliens-but-it-was-aliens.jpgJul 12 20:36
cubexyzhad to use windows today... ughJul 12 20:37
cubexyzmost of the time I can avoid itJul 12 20:38
cubexyzhad one customer ask me about upgrading to windows 10Jul 12 20:39
cubexyzon a happier note most of the work today was done via the customer's linux computerJul 12 20:50
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MxsQueen/status/620313838668394496  https://twitter.com/MxsQueen/status/620314012106907648 https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/620314990118051840Jul 12 20:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MxsQueen: @schestowitz seemed to whom? The uk has been through well established prolonged threats. 7/7 wasn't one.Jul 12 20:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MxsQueen: @schestowitz what about the numerous victims of fascists attempting race war?Jul 12 20:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz @PressHerald we should have seen this coming 230 years ago with #manifest #Destiny. Such #hubris about being #exceptionalJul 12 20:53
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/nanayasleeps/status/620317449586655232Jul 12 20:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nanayasleeps: @MxsQueen @schestowitz remember white nationalists don't countJul 12 20:53
schestowitz If our government announced Web censorship, mass surveillance etc. to fight racism, they would high uphill battleJul 12 20:55
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620328141500907520Jul 12 21:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: Nobrainer. Therefore we can only assume this has always been THE intention. https://t.co/K19TiU7QkwJul 12 21:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Killing civilians to vanquish Isis will only make besieged people hate us http://t.co/73DNys5WkW #dronesJul 12 21:38
schestowitzOr desirable side effect for the "deliverables"Jul 12 21:38
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     LaKademy 2015  https://t.co/KZ4V45qsmJJul 12 21:53
TweetTuxMachines                 (dot.kde.org)Jul 12 21:53
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n3sqyJul 12 21:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dot.kde.org | LaKademy 2015 | KDE.newsJul 12 21:53
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Rare breed: Linux Mint 17.2 offers desktopJul 12 21:53
TweetTuxMachines                 familiarity and responds to user wantsJul 12 21:53
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/wD0qY1ndnw (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 12 21:53
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n3sqzJul 12 21:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Rare breed: Linux Mint 17.2 offers desktop familiarity and responds to user wants | Tux MachinesJul 12 21:53
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TweetTuxMachines@RamiSilawi      For the first time since #Slackware Mint makesJul 12 22:16
TweetTuxMachines                 me stop #Hopping cc @tuxmachines @Linux_MintJul 12 22:16
TweetTuxMachines                 #linuxJul 12 22:16
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n3sycJul 12 22:16
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     OS/2 HPFS File-System Now Has TRIM Support OnJul 12 22:16
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux http://t.co/2QGYDii7o7 (www.phoronix.com)Jul 12 22:16
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n3syeJul 12 22:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | OS/2 HPFS File-System Now Has TRIM Support On Linux - PhoronixJul 12 22:16
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Two teen programmers talk about why they loveJul 12 22:16
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux, love Google and don't hate Windows 10Jul 12 22:16
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/F9HSgdBEBG (www.businessinsider.in)Jul 12 22:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.in | Two teen programmers talk about why they love Linux, love Google and don't hate Windows 10 | Business Insider IndiaJul 12 22:16
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MinceRso they don't know winblows 10 yetJul 12 22:22
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/620335967908536321   https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/620336528351449088Jul 12 22:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Rare breed: #LinuxMint 17.2 offers desktop familiarity and responds to user wants http://t.co/bVjeKkCvjK #gnu #linuxJul 12 22:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Bugzilla 5.0 Released, Their Most Exciting New Version In History http://t.co/1NZujtIiDgJul 12 22:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.phoronix.com | Bugzilla 5.0 Released, Their Most Exciting New Version In History - PhoronixJul 12 22:36
r_schestowitzMinceR: it's the MS boosterJul 12 22:36
r_schestowitzJulie BortJul 12 22:36
r_schestowitzirrelevant question from herJul 12 22:36
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     A Week With GNOME As My Linux Desktop: WhatJul 12 23:10
TweetTuxMachines                 They Get Right & Wrong http://t.co/Z5J5opdMfQJul 12 23:10
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.phoronix.com)Jul 12 23:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | A Week With GNOME As My Linux Desktop: What They Get Right & Wrong (Editorial) - PhoronixJul 12 23:10
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n3temJul 12 23:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     A Week With GNOME As My Linux Desktop: WhatJul 12 23:10
TweetTuxMachines                 They Get Right & Wrong http://t.co/mn0NBa3gIXJul 12 23:10
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 12 23:10
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n3tenJul 12 23:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A Week With GNOME As My Linux Desktop: What They Get Right & Wrong | Tux MachinesJul 12 23:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Two teen programmers talk about why they loveJul 12 23:10
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux, love Google and don't hate Windows 10Jul 12 23:10
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/EQTx1eJgwX (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 12 23:10
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n3teqJul 12 23:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Two teen programmers talk about why they love Linux, love Google and don't hate Windows 10 | Tux MachinesJul 12 23:10
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS Gets a Second Update withJul 13 01:43
TweetTuxMachines                 ARM, UFS, and IPv4 ImprovementsJul 13 01:43
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/DalhdQWfbq (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 13 01:43
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n3uulJul 13 01:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS Gets a Second Update with ARM, UFS, and IPv4 Improvements | Tux MachinesJul 13 01:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Zorin OS 10 Will be the Most Beautiful ReleaseJul 13 01:43
TweetTuxMachines                 Yet, Based on Ubuntu 15.04Jul 13 01:43
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/WZ6HLxh94f (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 13 01:43
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n3uumJul 13 01:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Zorin OS 10 Will be the Most Beautiful Release Yet, Based on Ubuntu 15.04 | Tux MachinesJul 13 01:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Wine Staging:Release 1.7.47Jul 13 01:43
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/RCBxaYMW7R (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 13 01:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine Staging:Release 1.7.47 | Tux MachinesJul 13 01:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Kodi 15.0 Release Candidate 2 "Isengard" BringsJul 13 01:44
TweetTuxMachines                 Multiple Fixes, Download NowJul 13 01:44
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/NnWxYxarnA (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 13 01:44
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n3uuqJul 13 01:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kodi 15.0 Release Candidate 2 "Isengard" Brings Multiple Fixes, Download Now | Tux MachinesJul 13 01:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Is Moving to GCC 5Jul 13 01:44
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/2lZfDTclEv (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 13 01:44
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n3uurJul 13 01:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Is Moving to GCC 5 | Tux MachinesJul 13 01:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux 4.2-rc2 http://t.co/pDy4bhnTc4Jul 13 01:44
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 13 01:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 4.2-rc2 | Tux MachinesJul 13 01:44
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Numerous NSS Vulnerabilities Closed in AllJul 13 04:40
TweetTuxMachines                 Ubuntu OSes http://t.co/ZB0abnH3LkJul 13 04:40
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 13 04:40
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n3waxJul 13 04:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Numerous NSS Vulnerabilities Closed in All Ubuntu OSes | Tux MachinesJul 13 04:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Is Moving to GCC 5Jul 13 04:40
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    http://t.co/2lZfDTclEv (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 13 04:40
TweetTuxMachines @tokvbok        Jul 13 04:40
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n3wazJul 13 04:40
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schestowitzme to glyn:Jul 13 09:19
schestowitz"Jul 13 09:19
schestowitzAs you may have noticed, EPO banned my site some days ago. It's how they deal with information these days, after assigning Control Risks to spy on me (confirmed) and maybe even using DDOS (I cannot prove this). I suppose you have not published any articles about this for the same reason I don't compose articles about trade agreements; I don't know enough to confidently remark on these.Jul 13 09:19
schestowitzIf you choose to write something about the EPO (the scandals are many and a summary would therefore be long), I can help filling you in with citations to supportive articles (sometimes translations thereof) and fact-checking. The EPO regime is closely connected to what's found in so-called 'trade' agreements; weakening one would weaken the other.Jul 13 09:19
schestowitz"Jul 13 09:20
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     KStars – A new look! http://t.co/VikJE5xeZ6Jul 13 09:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.msadityan.com | KStars – A new look! | M.S.AdityanJul 13 09:30
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.msadityan.com)Jul 13 09:30
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Azermane/status/620350897512652804  https://twitter.com/Azermane/status/620345183016755201Jul 13 09:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Azermane: @TheRalphRetort figured you might be interested in this article about Stonemirror if you haven't already seen it http://t.co/llAH5zwNW8Jul 13 09:41
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Azermane/status/620350897512652804  https://twitter.com/Azermane/status/620345183016755201Jul 13 09:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Richard Stallman and Bruce Perens Defamed by Troll | TechrightsJul 13 09:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Azermane: @KotakuInAction @Amantisme this is Stonemirror http://t.co/llAH5zwNW8 disgusting human being, feel free to spread it on reddit if you'd likeJul 13 09:42
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     New version of #sparkylinux has just beenJul 13 11:28
TweetTuxMachines                 released http://t.co/UUlPSa7tCjJul 13 11:28
TweetTuxMachines                 (sparkylinux.org)Jul 13 11:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sparkylinux.org | Home | SparkyLinuxJul 13 11:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS Gets a Second Update withJul 13 11:28
TweetTuxMachines                 ARM, UFS, and IPv4 ImprovementsJul 13 11:28
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/E2LuYuXNaA (news.softpedia.com)Jul 13 11:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS Gets a Second Update with ARM, UFS, and IPv4 Improvements - SoftpediaJul 13 11:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Zorin OS 10 Will be the Most Beautiful ReleaseJul 13 11:28
TweetTuxMachines                 Yet, Based on Ubuntu 15.04Jul 13 11:28
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/ChyV1H8rua (news.softpedia.com)Jul 13 11:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Zorin OS 10 Will Be the Most Beautiful Release Yet, Based on Ubuntu 15.04 - SoftpediaJul 13 11:28
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n3zmrJul 13 11:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux 4.2-rc2 http://t.co/qddkuOzxrOJul 13 11:32
TweetTuxMachines                 (lkml.iu.edu)Jul 13 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.iu.edu | Linux-Kernel Archive: Linux 4.2-rc2Jul 13 11:32
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n3znxJul 13 11:32
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Numerous NSS Vulnerabilities Closed in AllJul 13 11:32
TweetTuxMachines                 Ubuntu OSes http://t.co/jLjgiZuXevJul 13 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Numerous NSS Vulnerabilities Closed in All Ubuntu OSes - SoftpediaJul 13 11:32
TweetTuxMachines                 (linux.softpedia.com)Jul 13 11:32
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n3znyJul 13 11:32
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Is Moving to GCC 5Jul 13 11:33
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/gB2uvAHRNC (news.softpedia.com)Jul 13 11:33
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n3znzJul 13 11:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Is Moving to GCC 5 - SoftpediaJul 13 11:33
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schestowitz"he’s not staff, and the link is 404"Jul 13 12:03
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6337716Jul 13 12:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #mozilla staff on proprietary Pocket: the feature nobody wanted http://benjaminkerensa.com/2015/07/12/pocket-the-feature-nobody-wanted it's good to see understanding that it was a dumb moveJul 13 12:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://benjaminkerensa.com/2015/07/12/pocket-the-feature-nobody-wanted )Jul 13 12:03
schestowitzhe deleted itJul 13 12:03
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6335917Jul 13 12:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Has it been made consensus by now (outside the tech world) that #microsoft violates #privacy intentionally? techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSAJul 13 12:04
schestowitzYet there are diasporians promoting MS marketing crap like this:Jul 13 12:04
schestowitzhttp://mblng.tumblr.com/post/123873121297/how-microsoft-is-protecting-customer-data-in-theJul 13 12:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mblng.tumblr.com | How Microsoft is Protecting Customer Data in the... - Mblng [ http://ur1.ca/n3zw6 ]Jul 13 12:04
schestowitz"Jul 13 12:04
schestowitzYet there are diasporians promoting MS marketing crap like this:Jul 13 12:04
schestowitzhttp://mblng.tumblr.com/post/123873121297/how-microsoft-is-protecting-customer-data-in-theJul 13 12:04
schestowitz"Jul 13 12:04
schestowitzNot sure whether to laugh or signJul 13 12:04
schestowitzsighJul 13 12:04
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6310093Jul 13 12:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The eternal rumor: Will Microsoft dump Windows Mobile and go for Android? http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/209341-the-eternal-rumor-will-microsoft-dump-windows-mobile-and-go-for-android add "patent extortion" to end, then trueJul 13 12:07
schestowitz"microsoft should dump whole microsoft"Jul 13 12:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.extremetech.com | The eternal rumor: Will Microsoft dump Windows Mobile and go for Android? | ExtremeTech [ http://ur1.ca/n3zx8 ]Jul 13 12:08
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/620550146288414721Jul 13 12:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz nasty! https://t.co/kW7WBiNI1uJul 13 12:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rik_ferguson: #HackingTeam has code for UEFI module for BIOS persistency of RCS 9 agent (i.e. survives even HD replace) PPT here: https://t.co/N6zJMB0PMLJul 13 12:13
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6305542Jul 13 12:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The company I work for does manage to make income from #freesw development and maintenance and it's far from the only one in EuropeJul 13 12:18
schestowitz"how does it generate income? support?"Jul 13 12:18
schestowitzand custom developmentJul 13 12:18
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Kernel 3.14.48 LTS Adds ARM, ARM64, x86,Jul 13 12:35
TweetTuxMachines                 and IPv4 Optimizations http://t.co/9zocqEb5b8Jul 13 12:35
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Jul 13 12:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 3.14.48 LTS Adds ARM, ARM64, x86, and IPv4 Optimizations - SoftpediaJul 13 12:35
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n405cJul 13 12:35
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     AMD Has Been Finishing Up EGL 1.5 Support InJul 13 12:35
TweetTuxMachines                 Mesa http://t.co/uIuHpZdgsc (www.phoronix.com)Jul 13 12:35
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n405dJul 13 12:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Marek At AMD Has Been Finishing Up EGL 1.5 Support In Mesa - PhoronixJul 13 12:35
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Google and BlackBerry team up for a secureJul 13 12:35
TweetTuxMachines                 enterprise Android http://t.co/Skhs1GY4NJJul 13 12:35
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.engadget.com)Jul 13 12:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com | Google and BlackBerry team up for a secure enterprise AndroidJul 13 12:35
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n405eJul 13 12:35
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Top 6 Free iOS, Android Games Released in JuneJul 13 12:41
TweetTuxMachines                 2015 http://t.co/6W09NO5i60 (www.ibtimes.co.in)Jul 13 12:41
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4074Jul 13 12:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.co.in | Top 6 Free iOS, Android Games Released in June 2015Jul 13 12:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Genymobile Grabs $7.7 Million To Become The RedJul 13 12:41
TweetTuxMachines                 Hat Of Android http://t.co/B5vIfgmwHkJul 13 12:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com | Genymobile Grabs $7.7 Million To Become The Red Hat Of Android | TechCrunchJul 13 12:41
TweetTuxMachines                 (techcrunch.com)Jul 13 12:41
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4075Jul 13 12:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Kernel 3.10.84 LTS Arrives with x86, ARM,Jul 13 12:41
TweetTuxMachines                 and Networking Fixes http://t.co/1QeUsPG6NeJul 13 12:41
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 13 12:41
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4077Jul 13 12:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel 3.10.84 LTS Arrives with x86, ARM, and Networking Fixes | Tux MachinesJul 13 12:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     A developer replete with Drupal vim and vigorJul 13 12:42
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/wxMQkF6R0t (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 13 12:42
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4079Jul 13 12:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A developer replete with Drupal vim and vigor | Tux MachinesJul 13 12:42
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Google and BlackBerry team up for a secureJul 13 12:42
TweetTuxMachines                 enterprise Android http://t.co/cM0sSpty9tJul 13 12:42
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 13 12:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google and BlackBerry team up for a secure enterprise Android | Tux MachinesJul 13 12:42
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n407aJul 13 12:42
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Genymobile Grabs $7.7 Million To Become The RedJul 13 12:42
TweetTuxMachines                 Hat Of Android http://t.co/i05vAbUvQPJul 13 12:42
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 13 12:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Genymobile Grabs $7.7 Million To Become The Red Hat Of Android | Tux MachinesJul 13 12:42
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n407bJul 13 12:42
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Download Mozilla Thunderbird 38.1 for Linux,Jul 13 12:51
TweetTuxMachines                 Mac OS X, and Windows http://t.co/zDUNao2risJul 13 12:51
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 13 12:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Download Mozilla Thunderbird 38.1 for Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows | Tux MachinesJul 13 12:51
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n40a8Jul 13 12:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Google Releases A Second Build Of Android MJul 13 12:51
TweetTuxMachines                 Just For Developers http://t.co/rx1VYf1YHzJul 13 12:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com | Google Releases A Second Build Of Android M Just For Developers | TechCrunchJul 13 12:51
TweetTuxMachines                 (techcrunch.com)Jul 13 12:51
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n40a9Jul 13 12:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Everything new in the Android M Preview 2Jul 13 12:52
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/7VuaHbx6b4 (arstechnica.com)Jul 13 12:52
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n40aaJul 13 12:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Everything new in the Android M Preview 2 | Ars TechnicaJul 13 12:52
MinceRhttp://dustri.org/b/firefox-youre-supposed-to-be-in-my-pocket-not-the-other-way-around.htmlJul 13 12:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dustri.org | Artificial truth · Firefox, you're supposed to be in my pocket, not the other way around. [ http://ur1.ca/n40bl ]Jul 13 12:55
MinceRtime for a fork, perhapsJul 13 12:59
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Sony's Android-powered Smart TV range lands inJul 13 13:11
TweetTuxMachines                 Australia http://t.co/CTl3nwv3sz (www.cnet.com)Jul 13 13:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnet.com | Sony's Android-powered Smart TV range lands in Australia - CNETJul 13 13:11
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n40goJul 13 13:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Galaxy S6 user switches to the iPhone 6, runsJul 13 13:11
TweetTuxMachines                 back to Android after two weeksJul 13 13:11
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/DSG3RKfLMr (bgr.com)Jul 13 13:11
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n40gpJul 13 13:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com | iPhone 6 vs. Galaxy S6: Android user switches back after two weeks | BGRJul 13 13:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Google's Next Android Feature Could Give it aJul 13 13:11
TweetTuxMachines                 Big Advantage Over Apple's iPhoneJul 13 13:11
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/tuXeeAWPcn (www.fool.com)Jul 13 13:11
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n40gqJul 13 13:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fool.com | Google's Next Android Feature Could Give it a Big Advantage Over Apple's iPhone -- The Motley FoolJul 13 13:11
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android M release date: latest news and rumoursJul 13 14:10
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/SiQ11FJ7WX (www.telegraph.co.uk)Jul 13 14:10
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4124Jul 13 14:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.telegraph.co.uk | Android M release date: latest news and rumours - TelegraphJul 13 14:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android has come a long way since Google boughtJul 13 14:10
TweetTuxMachines                 it 10 years ago today http://t.co/PTRd6OaTLeJul 13 14:10
TweetTuxMachines                 (venturebeat.com) "quietly building softwareJul 13 14:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-venturebeat.com | Android has come a long way since Google bought it 10 years ago today | VentureBeat | Mobile | by Jordan NovetJul 13 14:10
TweetTuxMachines                 for cell phones."Jul 13 14:10
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4125Jul 13 14:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android Wear to soon support interactive watchJul 13 14:10
TweetTuxMachines                 faces http://t.co/1jD4qlCslUJul 13 14:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.slashgear.com | Android Wear to soon support interactive watch faces - SlashGearJul 13 14:10
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.slashgear.com)Jul 13 14:10
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4127Jul 13 14:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Cossacks 3 RTS Has Two New Teasers, Will Be OnJul 13 14:44
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux https://t.co/zNA7b2C8XlJul 13 14:44
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.gamingonlinux.com)Jul 13 14:44
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n41f9Jul 13 14:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Cossacks 3 RTS Has Two New Teasers, Will Be On Linux | GamingOnLinuxJul 13 14:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Cramer: "Redhat is really the best there is,"Jul 13 14:44
TweetTuxMachines                 he said. "Everyone uses Redhat."Jul 13 14:44
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/AuEVmIZBkn (www.thestreet.com)Jul 13 14:44
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n41fbJul 13 14:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thestreet.com | Cramer -- Don't Dump Redhat (RHT) Over NYSE Glitch; Do Bet on Comcast (CMCSA) - TheStreetJul 13 14:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Top 30 Apps from the Tizen Store for first halfJul 13 14:44
TweetTuxMachines                 2015 http://t.co/alhP6EdwxlJul 13 14:44
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tizenexperts.com)Jul 13 14:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Top 30 Apps from the Tizen Store for first half 2015Tizen ExpertsJul 13 14:44
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n41fdJul 13 14:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Point Linux 3.0 Replaces GNOME 3 Classic withJul 13 14:55
TweetTuxMachines                 Xfce, Based on Debian 8 JessieJul 13 14:55
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/XwQv3GwN3O (linux.softpedia.com)Jul 13 14:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Point Linux 3.0 Replaces GNOME 3 Classic with Xfce, Based on Debian 8 Jessie - SoftpediaJul 13 14:55
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n41jiJul 13 14:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu's Unity 8, Mir, and LXC for XappsJul 13 14:55
TweetTuxMachines                 Received Major ImprovementsJul 13 14:55
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/XwQv3GwN3O (linux.softpedia.com)Jul 13 14:55
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n41jjJul 13 14:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Kernel 4.0 to Reach End of Life Soon,Jul 13 14:56
TweetTuxMachines                 Users Urged to Move to Linux Kernel 4.1Jul 13 14:56
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/mWQKrTsKP9 (news.softpedia.com)Jul 13 14:56
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n41jkJul 13 14:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 4.0 to Reach End of Life Soon, Users Urged to Move to Linux Kernel 4.1 - SoftpediaJul 13 14:56
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Sosumiand I just can't believe it that Tsipras capitulatedJul 13 15:31
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Solus OS Gets Linux Kernel 4.1.2 LTS, FirefoxJul 13 15:57
TweetTuxMachines                 39, and Much More http://t.co/mWQKrTsKP9Jul 13 15:57
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Jul 13 15:57
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4262Jul 13 15:57
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Links 13/7/2015: Linux 4.2 and Kodi 15.0Jul 13 15:57
TweetTuxMachines                 Release Candidate 2 http://t.co/XeD7hoCykIJul 13 15:57
TweetTuxMachines                 (techrights.org)Jul 13 15:58
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4263Jul 13 15:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat News http://t.co/NyHNSMylp0Jul 13 15:58
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 13 15:58
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4265Jul 13 15:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 13/7/2015: Linux 4.2 and Kodi 15.0 Release Candidate 2 | TechrightsJul 13 15:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat News | Tux MachinesJul 13 15:58
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/D6hnp8hBL4Jul 13 16:47
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 13 16:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux MachinesJul 13 16:47
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n42piJul 13 16:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos http://t.co/rtC6V41EcvJul 13 16:47
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 13 16:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJul 13 16:47
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n42pkJul 13 16:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Software http://t.co/8UKIRFlQekJul 13 16:47
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 13 16:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux MachinesJul 13 16:47
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n42plJul 13 16:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's leftovers http://t.co/yrYIUaTwznJul 13 16:47
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 13 16:47
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n42ppJul 13 16:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesJul 13 16:47
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cubexyzugh, a bit frustratingJul 13 19:34
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r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/620651797963763713Jul 13 20:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Feds can read every email you opened last year without a warrant @ruskin147 @schestowitz http://t.co/x26S4jfNq5Jul 13 20:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com | Feds can read every email you opened last year without a warrant | ZDNetJul 13 20:23
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/620667298274111488Jul 13 20:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Government-sponsored cyberattack company likely hacked by another country, it claims @ruskin147 @schestowitz http://t.co/a7UTGXs57YJul 13 20:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.independent.co.uk | Hacking Team: government-sponsored cyberattack company likely hacked by another country, it claims - News - Gadgets and Tech - The IndependentJul 13 20:29
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MinceRm$ code quality in Linux: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/drivers/net/hyperv/netvsc_drv.c?id=3a494e710367c0a233d86bcde9853781859fc008#n784Jul 13 21:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.kernel.org | kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - Linux kernel source tree [ http://ur1.ca/n45bs ]Jul 13 21:02
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/qapsl0ck/status/620685435484917761Jul 13 21:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qapsl0ck: @schestowitz Jabber combines fine with PGP :)Jul 13 21:06
r_schestowitzcan be self-hosted with encryption tooJul 13 21:06
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/qapsl0ck/status/620686024759476224Jul 13 21:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qapsl0ck: @schestowitz yups, here is raspberry doing that ;)Jul 13 21:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Kernel 4.0 Will Reach EOL Next Week, KernelJul 13 21:14
TweetTuxMachines                 4.0.9 Being The Latest Update From The SeriesJul 13 21:14
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/aBJS2xAW5n (linuxg.net)Jul 13 21:14
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n45faJul 13 21:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net | Kernel 4.0 Will Reach EOL Next Week, Kernel 4.0.9 Being The Latest Update From The Series | LinuxG.netJul 13 21:14
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android Makes Strides in Enterprise EmbeddedJul 13 21:15
TweetTuxMachines                 Market http://t.co/DgVqdvHNnD (www.linux.com)Jul 13 21:15
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n45fvJul 13 21:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com | Android Makes Strides in Enterprise Embedded Market | Linux.comJul 13 21:15
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Review: SolydK 201506 http://t.co/3ucsUxUOa2Jul 13 21:15
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 13 21:15
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n45fyJul 13 21:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Review: SolydK 201506 | Tux MachinesJul 13 21:15
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Zorin OS 10 RC Screenshot Tour - A Gorgeous NewJul 13 21:15
TweetTuxMachines                 Design for a Different OSJul 13 21:15
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/PC07otSZjR (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 13 21:15
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n45g1Jul 13 21:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Zorin OS 10 RC Screenshot Tour - A Gorgeous New Design for a Different OS | Tux MachinesJul 13 21:15
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     FreeBSD 10.2 Beta 1 Now Ready for Download andJul 13 21:33
TweetTuxMachines                 Testing http://t.co/QyI1zRdHz0Jul 13 21:33
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 13 21:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FreeBSD 10.2 Beta 1 Now Ready for Download and Testing | Tux MachinesJul 13 21:33
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n45mwJul 13 21:33
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android Makes Strides in Enterprise EmbeddedJul 13 21:33
TweetTuxMachines                 Market http://t.co/9OBxMUeuEpJul 13 21:33
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 13 21:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Makes Strides in Enterprise Embedded Market | Tux MachinesJul 13 21:33
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n45myJul 13 21:33
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Zorin OS 10 RC Screenshot Tour - A Gorgeous NewJul 13 21:33
TweetTuxMachines                 Design for a Different OSJul 13 21:33
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/oAfoVvAIUd (news.softpedia.com)Jul 13 21:33
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n45n0Jul 13 21:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Zorin OS 10 RC Screenshot Tour - A Gorgeous New Design for a Different OS - SoftpediaJul 13 21:33
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Trinity Linux System Call Fuzz TesterJul 13 21:33
TweetTuxMachines                 Effectively Suspended http://t.co/jTfUJjQIwRJul 13 21:33
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.phoronix.com)Jul 13 21:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Trinity Linux System Call Fuzz Tester Effectively Suspended - PhoronixJul 13 21:33
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n45n1Jul 13 21:33
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/620692253997170688Jul 13 21:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Sounds a bit daft but...All Instant Messaging Could Be Killed In The UK Within Weeks @ruskin147 @schestowitz http://t.co/Gj8Eas8243Jul 13 21:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.forbes.com | All Instant Messaging Could Be Killed In The UK Within Weeks - ForbesJul 13 21:34
r_schestowitzwon't happen, just a shaming tactic  Jul 13 21:34
razielle_tzuyeah...Jul 13 21:36
razielle_tzusecond, or is it third(?), crypto war.. 20 years and nothing has changed reallyJul 13 21:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Touch to Get Enhanced SMS CapabilitiesJul 13 21:42
TweetTuxMachines                 with Next Update http://t.co/TzyuVWoluvJul 13 21:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch to Get Enhanced SMS Capabilities with Next Update - SoftpediaJul 13 21:42
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com) http://t.co/Ko3noq82xoJul 13 21:42
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Two Django Vulnerabilities Fixed in Ubuntu OSes - SoftpediaJul 13 21:42
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r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/620698095702175744Jul 13 21:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz @ruskin147 Yes. Was thinking something like that...Jul 13 21:57
r_schestowitzFacebook will declare victory at the end, even if it "lost" (by silently complying by adding back doors)Jul 13 21:57
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Steam for Linux Gets Multiple Updates in JustJul 13 22:03
TweetTuxMachines                 Two Weeks http://t.co/aNyku31OSfJul 13 22:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Steam for Linux Gets Multiple Updates in Just Two Weeks - SoftpediaJul 13 22:03
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Alien: Isolation Might Arrive on LinuxJul 13 22:04
TweetTuxMachines                  http://t.co/WaM7XB6Dbq (linux.softpedia.com)Jul 13 22:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Alien: Isolation Might Arrive on Linux - SoftpediaJul 13 22:04
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Dekko Native IMAP Email Client for Ubuntu TouchJul 13 22:04
TweetTuxMachines                 Shows Desktop ConvergenceJul 13 22:04
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/8Mk5YE9ZUO (news.softpedia.com)Jul 13 22:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Dekko Native IMAP Email Client for Ubuntu Touch Shows Desktop Convergence - SoftpediaJul 13 22:04
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Vendetta Online 1.8.344 MMORPG Has BetterJul 13 22:26
TweetTuxMachines                 Anti-Aliasing Support for Intel GPUsJul 13 22:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Vendetta Online 1.8.344 MMORPG Has Better Anti-Aliasing Support for Intel GPUs - SoftpediaJul 13 22:26
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Trinity Linux System Call Fuzz TesterJul 13 22:26
TweetTuxMachines                 Effectively Suspended http://t.co/adRm2JNwzsJul 13 22:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Trinity Linux System Call Fuzz Tester Effectively Suspended | Tux MachinesJul 13 22:26
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Ubuntu http://t.co/YkT3cXBmRMJul 13 22:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Ubuntu | Tux MachinesJul 13 22:26
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Review: SolydK 201506 http://t.co/k9JWrBUJEIJul 13 22:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dasublogbyprashanth.blogspot.co.uk | Das U-Blog by Prashanth: Review: SolydK 201506Jul 13 22:26
TweetTuxMachines                 (dasublogbyprashanth.blogspot.co.uk)Jul 13 22:26
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r_schestowitz> One you might find interesting.Jul 13 22:31
r_schestowitz>Jul 13 22:31
r_schestowitz> http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/08/exxon-climate-change-1981-climate-denier-fundingJul 13 22:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Exxon knew of climate change in 1981, email says – but it funded deniers for 27 more years | Environment | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/n2oel ]Jul 13 22:31
r_schestowitzThanks, I've just shared it in some sites.Jul 13 22:31
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Mangaka Is an Artful Blend of Simplicity andJul 14 03:38
TweetTuxMachines                 Style http://t.co/vaetmDd8zyJul 14 03:38
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6311356Jul 14 06:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Papyros Linux Distro Uses a New Material Design Shell http://news.softpedia.com/news/papyros-linux-distro-uses-a-new-material-design-shell-486460.shtmlJul 14 06:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Papyros Linux Distro Uses a New Material Design Shell - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/n3q2s ]Jul 14 06:09
schestowitz"What do computer pro’s have to do with this? I have more formal qualifications in the visual arts than in technology. Poor design is ugly, regardless of ones level of familiarity with technology."Jul 14 06:09
schestowitzYour tweetJul 14 06:10
schestowitz"Over a decade ago I met in person a PGP developer (one of the key ones). Even before that many of my messages were encrypted."Jul 14 06:10
schestowitzreminded me to tell you: pleaseJul 14 06:11
schestowitz1) set an expiration date (e.g. 2015-08-01) to your 1024-bit keyJul 14 06:11
schestowitz2) generate a new 4096-keyJul 14 06:11
schestowitzRationale:Jul 14 06:11
schestowitz1024 bit keys are considered to be weak.Jul 14 06:11
schestowitzAnd your other key is quite old.Jul 14 06:11
schestowitzno reply needed.Jul 14 06:11
schestowitzJust act.Jul 14 06:11
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ruskin147/status/620817521860608000Jul 14 06:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ruskin147: @SleepyPenguin1 @schestowitz this is total nonsense, Forbes rewrite of Express story. How are they going to pass this law "within weeks"?Jul 14 06:23
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/620821579061194752Jul 14 06:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @ruskin147 @schestowitz Was wondering about that myself.Jul 14 06:23
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Touch to Get Enhanced SMS CapabilitiesJul 14 06:56
TweetTuxMachines                 with Next Update http://t.co/QFl34QyakOJul 14 06:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch to Get Enhanced SMS Capabilities with Next Update | Tux MachinesJul 14 06:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Unity 8's 3D Task Switcher for the UbuntuJul 14 06:56
TweetTuxMachines                 Desktop Is Evolving http://t.co/Geg6jiSK9yJul 14 06:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Unity 8's 3D Task Switcher for the Ubuntu Desktop Is Evolving | Tux MachinesJul 14 06:56
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GhostBSD 10.1 BETA2 now availableJul 14 06:56
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/S3lpT9FmfD (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 14 06:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GhostBSD 10.1 BETA2 now available | Tux MachinesJul 14 06:56
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/agelatinouscube/status/620733668969938945Jul 14 11:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agelatinouscube: @SakuyaRed0 http://t.co/PBMhctFju8Jul 14 11:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Richard Stallman and Bruce Perens Defamed by Troll | TechrightsJul 14 11:09
schestowitzLefty...Jul 14 11:09
schestowitzstill trollingJul 14 11:09
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r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/620903387920527360Jul 14 11:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@readergordonbp: Appalling. https://t.co/vXLCcn4PekJul 14 11:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Teenager handcuffed by #uk #police after giving £1 to a homeless man wins £5,000 pay out for unlawful detention http://t.co/Eij93wOXcAJul 14 11:35
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Vecchi_Paolo/status/620904480578514944Jul 14 11:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Vecchi_Paolo: @schestowitz Latest example from Microsoft here: https://t.co/t9axFnkzQv with my answer to it here: http://t.co/soMrAkpwlp (in Italian)Jul 14 11:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.microsoft.com | A Pesaro l’Ufficio a Cielo Aperto: grazie a Microsoft al Comune di Pesaro lo Smart Working è una realtà | Microsoft News Center ItalyJul 14 11:40
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Mangaka Is an Artful Blend of Simplicity andJul 14 12:07
TweetTuxMachines                 Style http://t.co/O3Qrb6eWYPJul 14 12:07
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxinsider.com | Mangaka Is an Artful Blend of Simplicity and Style | Reviews | LinuxInsiderJul 14 12:07
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Google may add doodle, emoji sharing betweenJul 14 12:40
TweetTuxMachines                 Android Wear smartwatchesJul 14 12:40
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/o44EFzZe9J (mashable.com)Jul 14 12:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mashable.com | Google may add doodle, emoji sharing between Android Wear smartwatchesJul 14 12:41
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Adam Williamson: Fedora 23 call for Test DaysJul 14 12:41
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/DhSnouRM9H (www.happyassassin.net)Jul 14 12:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://www.happyassassin.net/2015/07/10/fedora-23-call-for-test-days/ )Jul 14 12:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Chakra:  KDE Applications 15.04.3 availableJul 14 12:41
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/ipeuUFi0W4 (chakraos.org)Jul 14 12:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chakraos.org | KDE Applications 15.04.3 available | Chakra | NewsJul 14 12:41
r_schestowitzhttps://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6342577Jul 14 12:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google Photos keeps collecting your pictures even after you delete the Android apphttp://www.theverge.com/2015/7/14/8956945/google-photos-collecting-pictures-android-after-delete-app yep, I warned about this ages agoJul 14 12:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theverge.com | Google Photos keeps collecting your pictures even after you delete the Android app | The Verge [ http://ur1.ca/n4d2t ]Jul 14 12:52
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r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jurasick/status/620926173774745600Jul 14 13:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: Dislike the bossy ways of their Windows app works. No check if I want to limit folders. Sulks & quits #allornothing https://t.co/ep2qjI6JaQJul 14 13:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Google Photos keeps collecting your pictures even after you delete the Android http://t.co/sIPktLC7da ... https://t.co/hGIvajjFLFJul 14 13:03
r_schestowitzWhy use Windows?Jul 14 13:03
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jurasick/status/620927209310715905Jul 14 13:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz touché! Ah, the woes of a "work" environment, even if I'm co-owner😪. Working on other co-owners to switch to #linux #takestimeJul 14 13:08
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/osrin/status/620927479126036480Jul 14 13:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@osrin: @schestowitz will that worry them?Jul 14 13:11
r_schestowitzit already does, to a degreeJul 14 13:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     HP 455 G3 Ubuntu laptop - Linux on a budgetJul 14 13:15
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/EmpgnFW6Zt (www.techworld.com)Jul 14 13:15
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4d93Jul 14 13:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techworld.com | HP 455 G3 Ubuntu laptop - Linux on a budget: Budget Laptops Review | TechworldJul 14 13:15
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Diving into Android M: what else is new inJul 14 13:15
TweetTuxMachines                 Preview 2? http://t.co/x104lt3FKtJul 14 13:15
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.androidauthority.com)Jul 14 13:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com | Diving into Android M: what else is new in Preview 2?Jul 14 13:15
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4d94Jul 14 13:15
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     HP 455 G3 Ubuntu laptop - Linux on a budgetJul 14 13:15
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/0PL4YGaMPH (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 14 13:15
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4d95Jul 14 13:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | HP 455 G3 Ubuntu laptop - Linux on a budget | Tux MachinesJul 14 13:15
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNOME Foundation AGM 2015Jul 14 13:25
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/a0iuuPVOPQ (permalink.gmane.org)Jul 14 13:25
TweetTuxMachines                 "Annual General Meeting...at the Folkets HusJul 14 13:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-permalink.gmane.org | GNOME Foundation AGM 2015Jul 14 13:25
TweetTuxMachines                 [2] in Gothenburg, Sweden."Jul 14 13:25
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4dc5Jul 14 13:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Albion Online Summer Alpha On Linux!Jul 14 13:25
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/FBAHJTdGiO (www.gamingonlinux.com)Jul 14 13:25
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4dcdJul 14 13:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Albion Online Summer Alpha On Linux! | GamingOnLinuxJul 14 13:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Steam made easy on fedoraJul 14 13:26
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/MsdfhQoWcb (negativo17.org)Jul 14 13:26
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4dcjJul 14 13:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-negativo17.org | Steam made easy | negativo17Jul 14 13:26
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msb__MinceR: Hi!  Please tell me what you mean by "ricer"?  I thought it was a food grater.Jul 14 14:28
MinceRhttp://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ricerJul 14 14:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.urbandictionary.com | Urban Dictionary: ricer [ http://ur1.ca/n4dw1 ]Jul 14 14:29
MinceRor '5.' under https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ricerJul 14 14:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wiktionary.org | ricer - WiktionaryJul 14 14:30
msb__" <MinceR> of course it's still an attractive target to ricers"Jul 14 14:30
MinceRi find their extreme emphasis on making boot allegedly faster at the cost of making it unreliable ludicrous and pointlessJul 14 14:31
msb__Got it -- mods that make the thing worse.  Thanks!Jul 14 14:32
cubexyz*nix should be modular Jul 14 14:39
cubexyzif one doesn't like bash there's ash, csh, ksh etcJul 14 14:40
cubexyzbut you should be able to swap one component out and put in it's replacement seamlesslyJul 14 14:40
cubexyzI don't think that's the case with systemdJul 14 14:41
msb__Sure, just swap out systemd and Linux, and put in Windows.Jul 14 14:42
msb__Swap out your brain and put in an overripe cantaloupe.Jul 14 14:43
cubexyzhonestly I don't think there's many folks who are returning to windowsJul 14 14:43
cubexyzI've heard of some going from Linux to Mac OS XJul 14 14:44
msb__Maybe when Linux turns further to shit they will.Jul 14 14:44
msb__When the whole thing is incorporated into systemd, apps and all.Jul 14 14:44
msb__And it forces you to use a DE that's designed for a 4-inch screen.Jul 14 14:45
XRevan86> And it forces you to use a DE that's designed for a 4-inch screenJul 14 14:45
XRevan86I don't get it.Jul 14 14:45
cubexyzhttp://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#GNU.2FLinux_distributions Jul 14 14:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-without-systemd.org | Without Systemd [ http://ur1.ca/jrovf ]Jul 14 14:46
cubexyznot to mention Minix, OpenBSD, Haiku, Plan9 etc etcJul 14 14:46
msb__The govt will do a false-flag terror attack using desktop Linux, which will then be made a crime to use.Jul 14 14:46
msb__Them too.Jul 14 14:47
XRevan86msb__: Why bother? Just enforce Secure Boot.Jul 14 14:47
cubexyzall the governments of the world? I think not :)Jul 14 14:47
cubexyzthe genie is out of the bottle now and has been for some timeJul 14 14:48
msb__Just the allies of the US -- England, France, Germany, IsraelJul 14 14:48
msb__and of course CanadaJul 14 14:48
msb__All ISPs will be required to send a crypto message to each user, to which only Windows can respond.  Without a correct response, the user is disconnected, and a swat team sent to his home.Jul 14 14:50
cubexyzexcept some of the ISPs run BSDJul 14 14:50
cubexyzmy own ISP doesJul 14 14:50
msb__As he will be considered a terrorist, they will shoot on sight.Jul 14 14:50
cubexyzin Canada we still have freenets:Jul 14 14:51
cubexyzhttp://www.ncf.caJul 14 14:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ncf.ca | National Capital FreeNet, Ottawa's not-for-profit internet provider (ISP)Jul 14 14:52
cubexyzbut definitely we should keep an eye on thingsJul 14 14:53
msb__A person using Linux will send out a virus causing screen strobing that makes everyone in the country throw up.  Using Linux will be punishable by death, like smoking pot.Jul 14 14:54
MinceRas time passes, the difference between systemd/Linux and windows decreasesJul 14 14:55
msb__Plan 9 From Outer Space:  "Greetings, my friend. We are all interested in the future, for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. And remember my friend, future events such as these will affect you in the future. "Jul 14 14:56
cubexyzmsb__, my understanding is that 23 states have legal medical marijuanaJul 14 14:56
cubexyzjust like we do in CanadaJul 14 14:57
MinceRredcrap is probably planning to kill unixJul 14 14:57
cubexyzthey can't Jul 14 14:57
MinceRm$ is probably waiting for them to do so, so the time will be right to revoke the certificate they sold to redcrapJul 14 14:58
cubexyzI have at least 100 distros on CD and DVDJul 14 14:58
MinceRdoesn't stop them and their followers from trying everything they can, thoughJul 14 14:58
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msb__That is something I don't understand, since the US govt knew in the 1960s that cannabis was helping people to see through govt propaganda.Jul 14 14:58
cubexyzcould Redhat "kill" AIX? Of course notJul 14 14:59
MinceRaix will probably die on its ownJul 14 14:59
MinceRhas ibm sold it off yet?Jul 14 14:59
msb__Which led to huge protests that stopped the attacks on Vietnam.Jul 14 14:59
msb__I hope the medical marijuana they sell is not GMO and rots the brain.Jul 14 15:00
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msb__Plan 9 is a very funny movie!Jul 14 15:02
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cubexyzthere's an old AIX that can run on PS/2'sJul 14 15:03
cubexyzprobably clone 386's as wellJul 14 15:03
cubexyzIBM killed that off in 1995Jul 14 15:03
cubexyznowadays it runs on POWER7Jul 14 15:04
msb__http://thelastamericanvagabond.com/Cannabis_GMO.phpJul 14 15:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thelastamericanvagabond.com | Cannabis | GMO [ http://ur1.ca/n4e7o ]Jul 14 15:08
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cubexyzyou can actually run a true Unix SysV open source Unix with OpenSXCE and IllumosJul 14 15:10
msb__http://forum.grasscity.com/advanced-growing-techniques/1262286-terminator-gene.htmlJul 14 15:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forum.grasscity.com | Terminator Gene - Advanced Growing Techniques [ http://ur1.ca/n4e8d ]Jul 14 15:11
cubexyzit evolved like this: Unix SVR4 -> OpenSolaris -> Illumos, OpenSXCEJul 14 15:12
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     An Awesome Developer Response To A Comment OnJul 14 15:12
TweetTuxMachines                 The Linux Version Being A Waste Of TimeJul 14 15:12
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/UGn7MeLrBI (www.gamingonlinux.com)Jul 14 15:12
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4e8pJul 14 15:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | An Awesome Developer Response To A Comment On The Linux Version Being A Waste Of Time | GamingOnLinuxJul 14 15:12
msb__cubexyz: Yes, _you_ will always be able to run some kind of Unix.  As long as you don't connect to the Net.Jul 14 15:12
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     "Legend Of Grimrock has sadly been unplayableJul 14 15:12
TweetTuxMachines                 for anyone on Linux with an #Nvidia 900 seriesJul 14 15:12
TweetTuxMachines                 chip" https://t.co/C54SEFUYH2Jul 14 15:12
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.gamingonlinux.com)Jul 14 15:12
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4e8rJul 14 15:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Legend Of Grimrock Now Playable Again On Linux For Nvidia 900 Series | GamingOnLinuxJul 14 15:12
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Lava Android One 2.0 Set for Release in IndiaJul 14 15:12
TweetTuxMachines                 This Week; What we Know so Far on Google'sJul 14 15:12
TweetTuxMachines                 Affordable Nexus Phone http://t.co/v3mQHGS1r8Jul 14 15:12
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.ibtimes.co.in)Jul 14 15:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.co.in | Lava Android One 2.0 Set for Release in India This Week; What we Know so Far on Google's Affordable Nexus PhoneJul 14 15:12
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4e8tJul 14 15:12
MinceRas long as the government doesn't find out you have a general-purpose computer :>Jul 14 15:12
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msb__Right.  It has to keep sending out the signal that says, "I'm just a wristwatch."Jul 14 15:13
cubexyzon one hand you're worried about Linux but a attack on general computing is way worseJul 14 15:15
msb__"And my owner is a Republican."Jul 14 15:15
msb__We'll just have to sneak in Raspberry-Pi boards from North Korea and Iran.Jul 14 15:16
cubexyzif I was dependent on Brand Systems I might be a bit worriedJul 14 15:17
cubexyzbut I have at least a dozen x86 boxes running Linux or BSDJul 14 15:17
cubexyzRaspberry PI doesn't run windowsJul 14 15:18
msb__cubexyz: Shh!  First they'll make you register them...Jul 14 15:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Openmandriva – a brief reviewJul 14 15:18
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/Jwia1A6zwMJul 14 15:18
TweetTuxMachines                 (nwrickert2.wordpress.com)Jul 14 15:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nwrickert2.wordpress.com | Openmandriva – a brief review | Thoughts on computingJul 14 15:18
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4eaoJul 14 15:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Allen Day Elected to GNOME Foundation Board ofJul 14 15:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://blogs.gnome.org/aday/2015/07/13/diary-of-a-new-board-member/ )Jul 14 15:18
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4eapJul 14 15:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Systemd – What You Need to KnowJul 14 15:18
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/yqNQT0HUueJul 14 15:18
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.maketecheasier.com)Jul 14 15:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maketecheasier.com | Systemd - What You Need to Know - Make Tech EasierJul 14 15:18
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4eaqJul 14 15:18
msb__Unix is the direct cause of vomiterrorism!Jul 14 15:20
cubexyzthink about how many computers get chucked out for almost no reason at allJul 14 15:20
cubexyzall candidate Linux boxesJul 14 15:20
msb__Sounds like a fun business.  Make about 8 good ones out of 10 trashed ones, just by board swapping.Jul 14 15:21
msb__Maybe 6 or 7.Jul 14 15:22
msb__Probably a lot of good disk drives thrown out just because they're too small.  200GBJul 14 15:24
cubexyzI had an odd moment in a comptuer store a few months agoJul 14 15:25
cubexyzI asked for an IDE drive and the person didn't know what I was talking about :)Jul 14 15:26
cubexyzgood thing I didn't ask for a SCSI-1 driveJul 14 15:26
msb__They would have called for the guys in white coats with butterfly nets.Jul 14 15:28
msb__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsCyC1dZiN8Jul 14 15:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Jethro Tull - Living In The Past 1969 - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/8etal ]Jul 14 15:30
cubexyzlove the hair :)Jul 14 15:32
cubexyzdid you know about Jethro Tull the agriculturist?Jul 14 15:34
msb__He had pretty good hair too!  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jethro_Tull_%28agriculturist%29Jul 14 15:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Jethro Tull (agriculturist) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/n4ehp ]Jul 14 15:36
cubexyzhahaJul 14 15:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Semplice Linux 7 and the vera desktopJul 14 15:37
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/dNBtAnLexQ (distrowatch.com)Jul 14 15:37
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4ehzJul 14 15:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD.Jul 14 15:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Why Linux is More Practical Than OS XJul 14 15:37
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/lMwnfxXniY (www.datamation.com)Jul 14 15:37
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4ei0Jul 14 15:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datamation.com | Why Linux is More Practical Than OS X - DatamationJul 14 15:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     "485 out of 500 systems were using Linux"Jul 14 15:37
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/rpKpfJKQuZ (www.serverwatch.com)Jul 14 15:37
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4ei1Jul 14 15:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.serverwatch.com | Supercomputing Power Stagnates as Tianhe-2's Speed Remains UnchallengedJul 14 15:37
cubexyzdatamation is running Microsoft ads :-/Jul 14 15:40
MinceRwritten by bruce byfield or otherwise?Jul 14 15:40
cubexyzthis article is written by Matt HartleyJul 14 15:40
cubexyzseems to be pro-Linux Jul 14 15:41
cubexyzthere's like at least 4 Microsoft ads on my screenJul 14 15:42
*TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi retweeted @tuxmachines: '"485 out of 500 systems were using Linux"...'Jul 14 15:43
TweetTuxMachines@RamiSilawi      .@tuxmachines That's 97% using #linux :)Jul 14 15:43
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/n5eVKeHdRTJul 14 15:43
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4ek7Jul 14 15:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamiSilawi: .@tuxmachines That's 97% using #linux :) http://t.co/n5eVKeHdRTJul 14 15:43
msb__cubexyz: are you running AdBlock?Jul 14 15:44
cubexyznoJul 14 15:44
cubexyzI don't mind some adsJul 14 15:44
cubexyzI'll just run dillo on this URLJul 14 15:46
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/620969502352781313Jul 14 15:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @schestowitz indeed, shows how low we've sunkJul 14 15:55
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/620970951002488833Jul 14 16:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @schestowitz yeah, strange thatJul 14 16:03
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620971085576716288  https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620971155390918656Jul 14 16:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz Difficult merges often point out a faulty breakdown into modules, or poor team communication.Jul 14 16:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz In short, I'm not surprised students would find this hard; they haven't learned how to do it well yet.Jul 14 16:04
r_schestowitzthere is a learning curveJul 14 16:04
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux-friendly EtherCAT controller expands viaJul 14 16:12
TweetTuxMachines                 PCIe http://t.co/kJnH7Jzatc (linuxgizmos.com)Jul 14 16:12
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4etyJul 14 16:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Linux-friendly EtherCAT controller expands via PCIe ·  LinuxGizmos.comJul 14 16:12
*TweetTuxMachines @ducbook followed @tuxmachinesJul 14 16:12
r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/mikloshvanEgan/status/620974343619760128Jul 14 16:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mikloshvanEgan: #Austerity-#Festival begins: Because in the #End, The #Evil relies on its #Victim's #Sanctions #Greece now, #EU next https://t.co/SzQcuJcXX6Jul 14 16:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #greece is being collectively punished because if it shuns #austerity and this succeed it'll make others follow. Like socialism in Lat Am.Jul 14 16:15
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r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/OrterF/status/620976921267073024Jul 14 16:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@OrterF: #Austerity-#Festival begins: Because in the #End, The #Evil relies on its #Victim's #Sanctions #Greece now, #EU ne… https://t.co/kI76RxUH5MJul 14 16:24
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r_schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/620977310511034368Jul 14 16:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz Yeah and later on we call it "experience" ;-)Jul 14 16:29
r_schestowitzCellphone gen hasn't got patience for that.. they don't even type entire wordsJul 14 16:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Development of the nOS Linux Distribution HasJul 14 16:31
TweetTuxMachines                 Stopped http://t.co/R6FPOQ4SYiJul 14 16:31
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Jul 14 16:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Development of the nOS Linux Distribution Has Stopped - SoftpediaJul 14 16:31
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     You Can Now Install Most of the Ubuntu TouchJul 14 16:31
TweetTuxMachines                 Core Apps on Your Ubuntu DesktopJul 14 16:31
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/JSFqwbfR8i (news.softpedia.com)Jul 14 16:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | You Can Now Install Most of the Ubuntu Touch Core Apps on Your Ubuntu Desktop - SoftpediaJul 14 16:32
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Companies Most Active On The SystemdJul 14 16:32
TweetTuxMachines                 Mailing List http://t.co/BmpFMLQuF0Jul 14 16:32
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.phoronix.com)Jul 14 16:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | The Companies Most Active On The Systemd Mailing List - PhoronixJul 14 16:32
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: KDE http://t.co/jRXx64gRlyJul 14 16:32
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 14 16:32
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: KDE | Tux MachinesJul 14 16:32
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Development of the nOS Linux Distribution HasJul 14 16:32
TweetTuxMachines                 Stopped http://t.co/nzUUG742RKJul 14 16:32
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 14 16:32
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4f27Jul 14 16:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Development of the nOS Linux Distribution Has Stopped | Tux MachinesJul 14 16:32
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     How to win the copyleft fight—withoutJul 14 16:32
TweetTuxMachines                 litigation http://t.co/hYrEhKogX7Jul 14 16:32
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 14 16:32
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to win the copyleft fight—without litigation | Tux MachinesJul 14 16:32
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     You Can Now Install Most of the Ubuntu TouchJul 14 16:32
TweetTuxMachines                 Core Apps on Your Ubuntu DesktopJul 14 16:32
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/9axlamm3wu (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 14 16:32
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4f2aJul 14 16:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | You Can Now Install Most of the Ubuntu Touch Core Apps on Your Ubuntu Desktop | Tux MachinesJul 14 16:32
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Companies Most Active On The SystemdJul 14 16:46
TweetTuxMachines                 Mailing List http://t.co/uHIXkKWUnFJul 14 16:46
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 14 16:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Companies Most Active On The Systemd Mailing List | Tux MachinesJul 14 16:46
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4f7jJul 14 16:46
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Solus OS Now Boots in 3.5 SecondsJul 14 16:46
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/rvSkxKqTDz (news.softpedia.com)Jul 14 16:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Solus OS Now Boots in 3.5 Seconds - SoftpediaJul 14 16:46
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Here Is Why The Linux 4.2 Kernel Is Messing UpJul 14 16:46
TweetTuxMachines                 On Some Ubuntu Systems http://t.co/E97QDM2McMJul 14 16:46
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.phoronix.com)Jul 14 16:46
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4f7nJul 14 16:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Here Is Why The Linux 4.2 Kernel Is Messing Up On Some Ubuntu Systems - PhoronixJul 14 16:46
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     How to get systems administrators andJul 14 16:53
TweetTuxMachines                 developers to agree with DockerJul 14 16:53
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/GgSQNB4eek (opensource.com)Jul 14 16:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com | Docker knows how to win over developers and sysadmins | Opensource.comJul 14 16:53
*TweetTuxMachines @KelinZakhar favourited 'How to get systems administrators and developers to...'Jul 14 16:53
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     New Media Player in the Works for Ubuntu TouchJul 14 17:20
TweetTuxMachines                 to Replace Grooveshark http://t.co/5JCeeMpt7EJul 14 17:20
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Jul 14 17:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | New Media Player in the Works for Ubuntu Touch to Replace Grooveshark - SoftpediaJul 14 17:20
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4fkmJul 14 17:20
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu MATE 15.10 Drops Desktop Cube as DefaultJul 14 17:20
TweetTuxMachines                 for Compiz, for Now http://t.co/C2CoG6DfKNJul 14 17:20
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Jul 14 17:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu MATE 15.10 Drops Desktop Cube as Default for Compiz, for Now - SoftpediaJul 14 17:20
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux AIO Gathers All the Fedora 22 Live CDsJul 14 17:20
TweetTuxMachines                 into a Single ISO Image http://t.co/RgODO1hbhaJul 14 17:21
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Jul 14 17:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux AIO Gathers All the Fedora 22 Live CDs into a Single ISO Image - SoftpediaJul 14 17:21
r_schestowitz> Mohd Sohail sent a message using the contact form at http://www.tuxmachines.org/contact.Jul 14 17:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Contact | Tux MachinesJul 14 17:31
r_schestowitz>Jul 14 17:31
r_schestowitz> I've been facing problems with Spam filter. Whenever I submit any story I get an error saying I've typed capatcha correctly (I type correctly). When I resubmit it after retyping capatcha it says "You have triggered spam filter. Your story will not be submitted.". Please solve this issue ASAP. Jul 14 17:31
r_schestowitz2 people reported this issue to me before. I thought it got resolved, but I guess I was wrong. Do you submit as blog or news? I reported this issue to mollon and at one point I thought that maybe mollom cache error was to blame. How many times did this happen? Only today? Thanks for reporting this, I am eager to get to the bottom of it.Jul 14 17:31
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     New Manjaro Linux Update Brings the Latest AMDJul 14 17:38
TweetTuxMachines                 Catalyst Drivers, Linux Kernel 4.1.2Jul 14 17:38
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/DuCBPgMPLU (news.softpedia.com)Jul 14 17:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | New Manjaro Linux Update Brings the Latest AMD Catalyst Drivers, Linux Kernel 4.1.2 - SoftpediaJul 14 17:38
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     SystemRescueCd 4.5.4 Moves to Linux KernelsJul 14 17:39
TweetTuxMachines                 3.14.48 and 3.18.18 LTSJul 14 17:39
TweetTuxMachines                  http://t.co/b43DjP3Bu3 (linux.softpedia.com)Jul 14 17:39
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4frrJul 14 17:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | SystemRescueCd 4.5.4 Moves to Linux Kernels 3.14.48 and 3.18.18 LTS - SoftpediaJul 14 17:39
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Ubuntu http://t.co/ZSlxA5bXPQJul 14 17:39
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 14 17:39
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4fruJul 14 17:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Ubuntu | Tux MachinesJul 14 17:39
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux AIO Gathers All the Fedora 22 Live CDsJul 14 17:54
TweetTuxMachines                 into a Single ISO Image http://t.co/lBS6ysvR7cJul 14 17:54
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 14 17:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux AIO Gathers All the Fedora 22 Live CDs into a Single ISO Image | Tux MachinesJul 14 17:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     SUSE and ARM http://t.co/1Ce1U9whkIJul 14 17:55
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 14 17:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SUSE and ARM | Tux MachinesJul 14 17:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     New Manjaro Linux Update Brings the Latest AMDJul 14 17:55
TweetTuxMachines                 Catalyst Drivers, Linux Kernel 4.1.2Jul 14 17:55
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/ncjdBY02wR (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 14 17:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | New Manjaro Linux Update Brings the Latest AMD Catalyst Drivers, Linux Kernel 4.1.2 | Tux MachinesJul 14 17:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     SystemRescueCd 4.5.4 Moves to Linux KernelsJul 14 17:55
TweetTuxMachines                 3.14.48 and 3.18.18 LTS http://t.co/qImEBHGynbJul 14 17:55
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 14 17:55
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4fx9Jul 14 17:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SystemRescueCd 4.5.4 Moves to Linux Kernels 3.14.48 and 3.18.18 LTS | Tux MachinesJul 14 17:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     New Media Player in the Works for Ubuntu TouchJul 14 17:55
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    to Replace Grooveshark http://t.co/5JCeeMpt7EJul 14 17:55
TweetTuxMachines @tokvbok        (news.softpedia.com)Jul 14 17:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | New Media Player in the Works for Ubuntu Touch to Replace Grooveshark - SoftpediaJul 14 17:55
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4fxaJul 14 17:55
cubexyzStallman may have to start talking about the "Five Freedoms"Jul 14 18:16
cubexyzFreedom Five: The freedom to choose your own init systemJul 14 18:16
XRevan86cubexyz: I already see how to exploit it.Jul 14 18:17
XRevan86"rice": Revan's Init System.Jul 14 18:18
XRevan86on Python with PyQt5Jul 14 18:18
XRevan86+ gobject-introspection to fetch GStreamerJul 14 18:19
XRevan86(to play a greeting sound after the startup)Jul 14 18:19
cubexyzthere's talk of a hidden agenda to take over everythingJul 14 18:20
cubexyzsounds paranoid I knowJul 14 18:20
cubexyzbut I just want to pick my own init systemJul 14 18:21
r_schestowitzgetting hardJul 14 18:21
r_schestowitzunless you use a marginal systemJul 14 18:21
XRevan86cubexyz: Will you support my petition to get "rice" support in Devuan? :)Jul 14 18:21
XRevan86after I write it of courseJul 14 18:21
cubexyzXRevan86, sureJul 14 18:21
cubexyzmore choice is betterJul 14 18:21
cubexyzI can cite several non-systemd distrosJul 14 18:22
XRevan86It won't support initscripts so they'll have to make init service for rice from stratch :DJul 14 18:22
r_schestowitzagreedJul 14 18:22
cubexyzembedix (zaurus), bl3, fc1, quasijarus, void linux, vector linux, slackware, and a partridge in a pear tree :)Jul 14 18:23
cubexyzopenbsdJul 14 18:23
XRevan86https://github.com/pocmo/Python-Brainfuck I even know on what languages rice's services will be written in.Jul 14 18:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | pocmo/Python-Brainfuck · GitHub [ http://ur1.ca/n4g8n ]Jul 14 18:23
cubexyzantixJul 14 18:23
cubexyzI can keep going :)Jul 14 18:23
razielle_tzuhmm... not used antix in a whileJul 14 18:24
cubexyzBell Labs Unix v1 through v10Jul 14 18:24
cubexyzPlan 9Jul 14 18:25
razielle_tzumight look into void and vector too thinking about itJul 14 18:25
XRevan86Debian derivatives like Siduction and Crunchbang++ can easily be remade into Devuan derivatives.Jul 14 18:26
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razielle_tzui think i have a netbook runnig crunchbang, might be archbang thoughJul 14 18:26
cubexyzit's not like there isn't lots of choicesJul 14 18:27
razielle_tzui knowJul 14 18:27
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XRevan86razielle_tzu: How can you not know?Jul 14 18:27
razielle_tzuit's been a while and i was manic when i installed itJul 14 18:27
XRevan86crunchbang is like "apt update; aptitude full-upgrade", archbang is like "pacman -Suy"Jul 14 18:27
razielle_tzui've not had to use it in a few monthsJul 14 18:28
XRevan86If it's crunchbang, port it to crunchbang++.Jul 14 18:28
razielle_tzui'll take a look later and port it if it's crunchJul 14 18:28
razielle_tzutrying to decide what to use on the other laptop i have on my desk, currently it is stock ubuntu but i feel like a change but don't want to use arch for another machine... i like varietyJul 14 18:30
XRevan86razielle_tzu: Try void linux. It's like Arch but not Arch.Jul 14 18:30
razielle_tzui'll add it to the list of possibilities, another one i was thinking about trying again was sabayonJul 14 18:31
XRevan86I'd suggest openSUSE but I think that's dangerous here :D.Jul 14 18:31
razielle_tzulolJul 14 18:31
XRevan86> sabayonJul 14 18:32
XRevan86also Calculate LinuxJul 14 18:32
razielle_tzuthe last one i tried that wasn't my usual group was pclinuxos and i... wasn't a fanJul 14 18:32
XRevan86pclinuxos is terribleJul 14 18:33
XRevan86I didn't have a close look, but empty repos were enough.Jul 14 18:33
razielle_tzui booted it in a vm to try and help a friend troubleshoot a couple of things and after that i straight up deleted the entire vm, i didn't even just repurpose the hard drive filesJul 14 18:34
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/darkstar-0.99-x11.pngJul 14 18:35
cubexyz64 megs is all you needJul 14 18:37
razielle_tzucoolJul 14 18:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu MATE 15.10 Drops Desktop Cube as DefaultJul 14 18:41
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Links 14/7/2015: Android in Enterprise, TOP500Jul 14 18:41
TweetTuxMachines                 Has 486 on GNU/Linux http://t.co/xoSwDWExdyJul 14 18:41
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Software http://t.co/VTL90NuDlPJul 14 18:41
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's leftovers http://t.co/beEhJJEzP5Jul 14 18:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 14/7/2015: Android in Enterprise, TOP500 Has 486 on GNU/Linux | TechrightsJul 14 18:41
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 14 18:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux MachinesJul 14 18:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesJul 14 18:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The End of Adobe Flash? http://t.co/U7GXLpWs84Jul 14 18:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The End of Adobe Flash? | Tux MachinesJul 14 18:41
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     $79 octacore hacker SBC runs Ubuntu and AndroidJul 14 18:41
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/JxwtCocpn4 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 14 18:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | $79 octacore hacker SBC runs Ubuntu and Android | Tux MachinesJul 14 18:41
cubexyzback in 1985 we had this:Jul 14 18:44
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/amigados-1.0.gifJul 14 18:45
cubexyzI thought it was so advanced at the time Jul 14 18:45
razielle_tzuoh man amigados xDJul 14 18:45
razielle_tzui never used anything prior to 2.something and the one i remember most is 3.0/3,1Jul 14 18:47
cubexyzwe're coming up on the 30th anniversary of the AmigaJul 14 18:47
razielle_tzui knowJul 14 18:48
cubexyzhonestly I don't use the amiga any more for work, haven't for a long timeJul 14 18:53
cubexyzbut I fire it up once a month for funJul 14 18:53
razielle_tzui would but one is still in storage and the other is at my mum'sJul 14 18:56
razielle_tzuboth A600s with about 300 floppies between themJul 14 18:56
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/amiga-with-joystick.jpgJul 14 18:56
cubexyzthat's the plan 9 box on the left :)Jul 14 18:57
razielle_tzuniceJul 14 19:05
*cubexyz plays a mod fileJul 14 19:07
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XRevan86cubexyz: Maybe you know why this patch breaks everything: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/88b51266 ? :)Jul 14 19:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paste.debian.net | Debian PastezoneJul 14 19:44
XRevan86Maybe AF_UNSPEC is not what I think it is.Jul 14 19:46
*MinceR plays mod files with audaciousJul 14 19:54
MinceR(possibly to be replaced by mpd)Jul 14 19:54
MinceR191624 < cubexyz> Stallman may have to start talking about the "Five Freedoms"Jul 14 19:55
MinceR191641 < cubexyz> Freedom Five: The freedom to choose your own init systemJul 14 19:55
MinceRrms gave up his principlesJul 14 19:55
XRevan86cubexyz: Fixed it, never mind.Jul 14 20:01
cubexyzno one made a fuss when the mashey shell was inventedJul 14 20:04
cubexyzthe thompson shell was primitive, it made sense that someone would make a better shellJul 14 20:05
cubexyzbut you could swap it out easy enoughJul 14 20:06
cubexyzMinceR, stallman doesn't seem to care about systemd one way or the other from what I've readJul 14 20:07
MinceRindeedJul 14 20:07
MinceRand he shouldJul 14 20:07
MinceRstill, it would be Freedom Four, as it's indexed from 0Jul 14 20:09
cubexyzah that's trueJul 14 20:09
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cubexyzone sysadmin's description of systemd: "a damn maze of BS"Jul 14 21:10
MinceR:)Jul 14 21:13
schestowitz[just got some new info about EPO]Jul 14 21:17
schestowitzme: I thought I was being sent a treasure. After numerous Thunderbird crashes (because Enigmail cannot deal too well with some edge cases) and some looking up on command-line recipes for pgp, installing pgp (not gpg) and some other stuff I finally managed to find just an attachment in the mail -- the image which I had access to and made a copy of the other day. I wonder if someone knows the story of why it got 'taken' down, seemingly at Jul 14 21:17
schestowitzgunpoint (metaphorically speaking) as SUEPO isn't (yet) controlled by the EPO's thugs. Was there anything in this message except the PDF attachment? Did I miss something that explains the background of it? Either way, without anything confirmed I could only post speculative (and potentially defamatory) article about the deletion of the text. I still don't know what exactly managers at the EPO say about their exposers, I just know some crude Jul 14 21:17
schestowitzactions that they take (after they get caught).Jul 14 21:17
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesJul 14 21:36
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     $79 octacore hacker SBC runs Ubuntu and AndroidJul 14 21:36
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/92BdApPEXN (linuxgizmos.com)Jul 14 21:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | $79 octacore hacker SBC runs Ubuntu and Android ·  LinuxGizmos.comJul 14 21:36
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6309800Jul 14 22:41
schestowitz"Jul 14 22:41
schestowitzinnamon, Unity are based on Gnome. So 3 of 5 are actually the same. MATE is an old Gnome. 4 of 5 are Gnome.Jul 14 22:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 5 Best Linux Desktop Environments With Pros & Cons http://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/5-best-linux-desktop-environments-with-pros-cons #gnu #linuxJul 14 22:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.linuxandubuntu.com | 5 Best Linux Desktop Environments With Pros & Cons - LinuxAndUbuntu [ http://ur1.ca/n3x64 ]Jul 14 22:41
schestowitzI would like to see Enlightenment among these.Jul 14 22:41
schestowitz"Jul 14 22:41
schestowitz"For me, the best DE is Crunchbang, though it’s a little out of date now. I’m eagerly awaiting Bunsen Labs."Jul 14 22:41
schestowitz"you mean their customized openbox? then it’s not a DE. I also use some window manager, not DE, but this article is about complete DE’s."Jul 14 22:42
schestowitz"By complete DE, you mean complete pile of shit? Openbox can do everything, the rest is just cruft ;-)"Jul 14 22:42
schestowitz"I mean what is defined as DE, and by window manager I mean what is defined as wm, not less, not more."Jul 14 22:42
schestowitz"Jul 14 22:42
schestowitz    I mean what is defined as DEJul 14 22:42
schestowitzSorry, I can’t see what is missing from #! by this definition?Jul 14 22:42
schestowitz"Jul 14 22:42
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6309542Jul 14 22:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I trust #debian more than I trust #redhat (for security or bug doors) not because Red Hat means to harm but because of bad neighbourhoodJul 14 22:43
schestowitz|lol neighbourhood ? BTW I am not sure now where my trust lies more , Yes debian did debate a lot for the #systemd but the fact that it got bullied by RH devels who have the argument that they are the main paid devels upstream especially say gnome tells us the fact that trust or not the future lies with RH and its paid devels and debian just lies in the background. :(|Jul 14 22:43
schestowitzthe neighbourhood can affect one's behaviourJul 14 22:43
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6310020Jul 14 22:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: It has been a week now and #amazon still refuses to tell me where to send legal papers (to sue them for refusing to identify DDOS attacker)Jul 14 22:44
schestowitz"Find all the addresses you can and send them to each."Jul 14 22:44
schestowitzI have another plan for pressuring themJul 14 22:44
cubexyzwhat, no tinywm? :)Jul 14 22:45
cubexyz58 lines of codeJul 14 22:46
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/tinywm-1.3.pngJul 14 22:47
cubexyzok, for fancier wm I'll go icewmJul 14 22:48
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/openbsd-icewm.pngJul 14 22:49
cubexyzone more:Jul 14 22:54
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/vector-linux-icewm.pngJul 14 22:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux still rules supercomputingJul 14 23:29
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*TweetTuxMachines @voidquest44 favourited 'Linux still rules supercomputing http://t.co/92BdApPEXN'Jul 14 23:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Five Linux desktop distributions with a greatJul 14 23:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Five Linux desktop distributions with a great future | Tux MachinesJul 14 23:30
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 15.10 Is Rebased on Linux Kernel 4.1,Jul 14 23:30
TweetTuxMachines                 Tracking of Linux Kernel 4.2 ContinuesJul 14 23:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 15.10 Is Rebased on Linux Kernel 4.1, Tracking of Linux Kernel 4.2 Continues | Tux MachinesJul 14 23:30
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 12 Is NowJul 14 23:30
TweetTuxMachines                 Available for 64-bit ARM ProcessorsJul 14 23:30
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/Ca1N9Zpa0d (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 14 23:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 12 Is Now Available for 64-bit ARM Processors | Tux MachinesJul 14 23:30
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*TweetTuxMachines @linuxaio favourited 'Linux AIO Gathers All the Fedora 22 Live...'Jul 15 00:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 10 outstanding open source server tools | Tux MachinesJul 15 02:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Kernel 3.18.18 LTS Is a Huge Release withJul 15 02:41
TweetTuxMachines                 Multiple ARM Fixes, Updated DriversJul 15 02:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel 3.18.18 LTS Is a Huge Release with Multiple ARM Fixes, Updated Drivers | Tux MachinesJul 15 02:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Canonical Closes libwmf Vulnerability In UbuntuJul 15 02:41
TweetTuxMachines                 OSes http://t.co/sfU8YLWbvMJul 15 02:41
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6342406Jul 15 09:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Hacking Team's 'Project X' Wants To Spy on #Tor Users http://motherboard.vice.com/read/hacking-teams-project-x-wants-to-spy-on-tor-users thankfully we know what these criminals are (were) up toJul 15 09:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> motherboard.vice.com | Hacking Team's 'Project X' Wants To Spy on Tor Users | Motherboard [ http://ur1.ca/n42fs ]Jul 15 09:13
schestowitz"All the more reason to not use Tor Browser."Jul 15 09:13
schestowitz"I’ve been using Tor Browser at the office and at home but at home it goes through Riseup’s VPN first. Still not a good idea?"Jul 15 09:13
schestowitz"If you really want to be teh anon I suggest Whonix."Jul 15 09:13
schestowitzTailsJul 15 09:13
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6337902Jul 15 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Gunmen cause scare"? Sounds like terror then. Use of fear, violence and hostage-taking. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/france-gunmen-take-hostages-in-primark-store-in-suburban-paris/ #cbsJul 15 09:15
schestowitz"Jul 15 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.cbsnews.com | France gunmen take hostages in Primark store in suburban Paris - CBS News [ http://ur1.ca/n4ntz ]Jul 15 09:15
schestowitzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brabant_killersJul 15 09:15
schestowitzIt was suspected at the time, due to the build and the discipline of the “robbers”, that they were from the Gendarmerie or the Army, trying to create a climate which would favour a far-right government - Gladio,Jul 15 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Brabant killers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/n4nu1 ]Jul 15 09:15
schestowitz"Jul 15 09:15
schestowitz"Why rob a store at 6:30 a.m.? There’s nothing but the float in the cash machines.'Jul 15 09:15
schestowitz6:30 early enough to avoid some cops+guards, I suppose...Jul 15 09:15
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6337897Jul 15 09:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Gunmen on the run" in #paris - again this year. But this time they were 'just' after money, so it's not terrorism...Jul 15 09:28
schestowitz"Entrepreneurs with initiative and audacity. Applause!"Jul 15 09:28
schestowitzgive them a scholarship...Jul 15 09:28
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6302130Jul 15 09:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #france wants more #html5 - hopefully non-patented video formats and no #drm https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/node/144318Jul 15 09:33
schestowitz"Could not find any mention of DRM in it…"Jul 15 09:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> joinup.ec.europa.eu | France updates its web accessibility guidelines | JoinupJul 15 09:33
schestowitzHTML5 has that in the specs, but it's not actively encouragedJul 15 09:33
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6309906Jul 15 09:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "GCC 5 the default compiler in Debian Unstable by month's end." http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Debian-GCC5-Unstable-Landing #gcc #gnu #debianJul 15 09:33
schestowitz"Probably a push. A lot needs to be rebuilt for gcc5, in particular a lot of work for the C++ ABI change. Worth doing but getting it all done by end of month will be hard."Jul 15 09:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.phoronix.com | Debian Will Soon Make GCC 5 Its Default Compiler - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/n4nzc ]Jul 15 09:33
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6342319Jul 15 09:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Facebook's New Security Chief Calls On #Adobe To Kill #Flash http://www.tomshardware.com/news/alex-stamos-kill-flash-player,29576.html http://www.pcworld.com/article/2947381/how-to-disable-flash-player-why-nows-a-better-time-than-ever.htmlJul 15 09:37
schestowitz"adobe should release a flash.js already"Jul 15 09:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.tomshardware.com | Facebook's New Security Chief Calls On Adobe To Kill Flash [ http://ur1.ca/n4nzu ]Jul 15 09:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.pcworld.com | How to disable Flash Player: Why now's a better time than ever | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/n4nzv ]Jul 15 09:37
schestowitzThat would keep Flash around and some people depending on dangerous blobsJul 15 09:38
schestowitzAlthough Eich's work on ASM JS might be of use to themJul 15 09:38
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6336468Jul 15 10:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Two teen programmers talk about why they love Linux, love Google and don't hate Windows 10 http://www.businessinsider.in/Two-teen-programmers-talk-about-why-they-love-Linux-love-Google-and-dont-hate-Windows-10/articleshow/48043655.cms #gnu #linuxJul 15 10:08
schestowitz"Jul 15 10:08
schestowitzIt sounds like they hate Windows to me. Both complain of various performance problems and brokenness. Neither has Windows 10. One hopes they fix the brokenness and is afraid of privacy violations. The other uses is because they want to play games and use a non free video editor, but hates having to reinstall it yearly and will only upgrade when their current, perhaps school supplied, Windows 7 key expires.Jul 15 10:08
schestowitzI’m impressed that a high school student is aware of privacy violations and considering ethical problems. That shows mature thought that’s rare in corporate media.Jul 15 10:08
schestowitz"Jul 15 10:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.businessinsider.in | Two teen programmers talk about why they love Linux, love Google and don't hate Windows 10 | Business Insider India [ http://ur1.ca/n4o72 ]Jul 15 10:08
schestowitzit's an article from Julie Bort, a Microsoft booster, so a pro-Windows slant (about a version that's not even out yet) a must, with veiled endorsement from "Linux"Jul 15 10:08
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/621245241568292864Jul 15 10:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: .@schestowitz in the beginning, yes—like every endeavor. However, enables choice…here is #Elvis vi-clone on ~ #RHEL 7 http://t.co/Q3T294BWgDJul 15 10:11
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6302096Jul 15 10:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The #uk Government doesn't understand terrorism — and it's making things worse http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-government-doesnt-understand-terrorism--and-its-making-things-worse-10367519.html "McCarthyite anxiety"Jul 15 10:12
schestowitz"Yes they do, how else can they justify the tax dollars spent on spying on you."Jul 15 10:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.independent.co.uk | The Government doesn't understand terrorism — and it's making things worse - Comment - Voices - The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/n4o84 ]Jul 15 10:12
schestowitzTrue for drones...Jul 15 10:13
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6316549Jul 15 10:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Some dude in the sauna today asked me if I was a spy. Odd. I haven't been asked this kind of question in almost a decade and it's BS.Jul 15 10:14
schestowitz"Would it have something to do with those jerks at the EPO or their hired goons at Control Risks? I suppose you will know for sure when someone hacks their email."Jul 15 10:14
schestowitzMy E-mails go through Telehouse in London, so they could scan it all with secret documents. I wouldn't know it....Jul 15 10:15
msb__.Jul 15 10:18
msb__New TV series _Zoo_ on CBS.  3rd episode shown last night (Tuesday).  Animals fed up with being preyed upon by humans are now attacking us.  Looks  pretty good.Jul 15 10:20
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6335232Jul 15 10:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Spy on 6.7 billion people (NSA), worry about 21 million http://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/feds-hack-affected-million-people/article_2d055ad7-0095-5ec6-9304-c55e3eb613b8.html http://www.myfoxal.com/story/29524412/ua-cyber-security-expert-and-former-longtime-cia-officer-breaks-down-big-goverment-data-breach-affecting-millionsJul 15 10:23
schestowitz"Who worries about those 21 million? Not me, hard to feel sympathy."Jul 15 10:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.santafenewmexican.com | Feds: Hack affected 21.5 million people - The Santa Fe New Mexican: News [ http://ur1.ca/n4oax ]Jul 15 10:23
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schestowitzWhose government spies on billionsJul 15 10:23
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6309428Jul 15 10:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The "I" in #iphone http://www.cultofmac.com/328359/future-iphones-could-be-unlocked-with-a-selfie/ http://www.ubergizmo.com/2015/07/iphone-unlock-selfie-patent/ snobs looking at themselvesJul 15 10:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.cultofmac.com | Future iPhones could be unlocked with a selfie [ http://ur1.ca/n4ob6 ]Jul 15 10:24
schestowitz"lol … after the fingerprint stolen, the selfie. What if, after a big fight and your face is hurt or worse, you want to unlock your Ithing to call police or hospital ?"Jul 15 10:24
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621250016514945024Jul 15 10:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz @norwind Now there's a good indication the #Snowden leaks contain both mis/disinformation. Only for the most gullible this oneJul 15 10:53
schestowitzPlease can you elaborate?Jul 15 10:54
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/621252412255404032Jul 15 10:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz A 2lb engineering hammer can fix most things. Even winduhs servers....Jul 15 10:55
schestowitzDepends what we mean by "fix"Jul 15 10:55
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/621253254161301504Jul 15 10:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz ROTFLMAO!Jul 15 10:56
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/621256105398657025Jul 15 10:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: "Akin to running #gnu #linux under proprietary…" @Azure? https://t.co/s1ULlJtCLJ #cloud #fail https://t.co/IvVTAzZJDVJul 15 10:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Using #tor on top of #windows (not #tails for example) a dangerous compromise. Akin to running #gnu #linux under proprietary #hypervJul 15 10:56
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Greekstudent12/status/621257904469872640Jul 15 11:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Greekstudent12: #StopTTIP http://t.co/wcPKY7QLsd #ISDS #privatisation #GreeceCrisis #ThisIsACoup #goldmansachs #Canada #eurozone https://t.co/mNx574pSUPJul 15 11:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: U.S. firm sues #Canada for $10.5 billion over water http://t.co/kvRtXoVWSB preview of #isds madness?Jul 15 11:04
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621258177426796544  https://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621258407819935744Jul 15 11:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz Ok, it's very easy to feed encrypted content into a supercomputer, the wait for decryption is not a struggle at all @norwindJul 15 11:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz Other than OTP, the maximum wait time for the highest grade of military (not publicly available) encryption is 30 days @norwindJul 15 11:04
schestowitz1. it's expensive to do. 2. PGP keys get longerJul 15 11:04
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621258922339381248Jul 15 11:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz All PGP really does is inhibits the scanning of large packets of unencrypted comms for keywords @norwindJul 15 11:05
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schestowitzThat's like saying no encryption can ever workJul 15 11:05
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6310160Jul 15 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The only so-called 'cloud' that might be reasonable to use http://www.linuxveda.com/2015/07/07/owncloud-8-1-arrives-end-user-admin-improvements/Jul 15 11:06
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schestowitz""I did’t think so. I may be wrong though.Jul 15 11:06
schestowitz"Jul 15 11:06
schestowitzConnects to KDE Kontact and the relates parts of this suite, e.g. Kmail with AkonadiJul 15 11:06
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621259451731828736Jul 15 11:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz And, as every country with SIGINT capacity, & those advised by them, is aware of this, the disinfo is 4 the gullible @norwindJul 15 11:07
schestowitzWe cannot assume everything to be disinfo.Jul 15 11:07
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621259666903830530Jul 15 11:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz SIGINT agencies like NSA and GCHQ are packed with expensive supercomputers for this specific task @norwindJul 15 11:08
schestowitzExpensive and not always feasible.Jul 15 11:08
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621259894549680129Jul 15 11:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz No it isn't. Properly utilised OTP is unbreakable and in the future quantum encryption is likely to be also @norwindJul 15 11:08
schestowitzquantom mostly a buzzword for them. It's down to brute force and cost.Jul 15 11:09
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621260176566267904Jul 15 11:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz However, this part clearly is. No SIGINT agency anywhere struggles to crack PGP @norwindJul 15 11:11
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621260890508263424Jul 15 11:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz A baby could feed an encrypted email into a SIGINT supercomputer and conduct the requisite waiting period @norwindJul 15 11:12
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621260555521626112Jul 15 11:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz That is only true for law enforcement agencies, who struggle to access to SIGINT infrastructure @norwindJul 15 11:12
schestowitzBetter tell that to spies, who apparently cannot ever and could never communicate securely...Jul 15 11:13
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621261192661577728Jul 15 11:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz No we haven't, but we have gained an education into what it can actually do, which is buy time and defeat keyword scanningJul 15 11:13
schestowitzI see now, based on your profile, that you are in the anti-Wikileaks camp, so I must be wasting my time hereJul 15 11:14
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621261390464966656Jul 15 11:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz this is misinformation. as anybody reading the tweet conversation can easily seeJul 15 11:15
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621261895589171200Jul 15 11:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz Spies have been communicating securely forever. It can be done by anyone, just use OTP @norwindJul 15 11:16
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ScaredyCat44/status/621262131371995137Jul 15 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ScaredyCat44: @schestowitz Gaining an education is never a waste of time.Jul 15 11:18
schestowitzThe disinfo comes from you, not the NSA leaksJul 15 11:18
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6300721Jul 15 11:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #YotaPhone drops #Android for #SailfishOS http://www.androidauthority.com/yotaphone-drops-android-for-sailfish-os-622541/ #linuxJul 15 12:00
schestowitz"that could be nice. But this phone seems too expensive for Jolla’s community."Jul 15 12:00
schestowitz"Above header is actually false. But yes, there still are plans of choosing Sailfish OS as mobile operating system for Russian government use which is a +1."Jul 15 12:00
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schestowitzJolla can put pressure on Android to improve securityJul 15 12:00
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/5847829Jul 15 12:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Cutegram 2.1.1 Arrives with Many Improvements, Still the Best #Telegram Client for Linux Ever http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/Cutegram-2-1-1-Arrives-with-Many-Improvements-Still-the-Best-Telegram-Client-for-Linux-Ever-476979.shtml #gnu #linuxJul 15 12:01
schestowitz"Its sad to see Free Software advocates promoting a non-free service offered by a single company (no federation). What advantage telegram has over a Free Software WhatsaApp client? Just because it is not owned by Facebook, it is recommended?"Jul 15 12:01
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schestowitz"The advantage is that you can start a SECRET CHAT which bypasses the the server and offers end to end encryption, completely libre. Do your home work before hating more…"Jul 15 12:01
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6311200Jul 15 12:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Database administration is a highly sought-after skill not because of it's hard but because of lack of training. Schools teach MS UI insteadJul 15 12:01
schestowitz"Jul 15 12:01
schestowitzNo, it’s hard. =)Jul 15 12:01
schestowitzNo, really, it seems to me that there are fades in IT and the most popular trade is developer. On the other hand, I have not met so much people that is attracted to database management. And most people do not change (become specialists?) so if someone has been sysadmin do not have interest in becoming database admin, and so on.Jul 15 12:01
schestowitz"Jul 15 12:01
schestowitzIt helps to have some lesser experience with it, to avoid having to pay a specialist to fix a DBJul 15 12:02
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6310135Jul 15 12:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: David Guetta: Piracy Brings Fans to My Concerts https://torrentfreak.com/david-guetta-piracy-brings-fans-to-my-concerts-150706/ good for him, maybe not the cartelsJul 15 12:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> torrentfreak.com | David Guetta: Piracy Brings Fans to My Concerts - TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/n4oyh ]Jul 15 12:02
schestowitz"well… I think I have to give a chance to Guetta’s music :)"Jul 15 12:02
schestowitzHis image improved in my mindJul 15 12:02
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6300834Jul 15 12:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Don Quijones: #Wikileaks Exposes How #TISA Will Gut Financial Regulations All Over the World http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/07/don-quijones-wikileaks-exposes-how-tisa-will-gut-financial-regulations-all-over-the-world.htmlJul 15 12:03
schestowitz"Let’s revise that: it will gut financial regulations for the big businesses and the rich. It will certainly not de-regulate the financial surveillance of the populace!"Jul 15 12:03
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schestowitzit's clear whose wishlistJul 15 12:03
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schestowitz>> Today and yesterday a link was pasted twice. Not sure if the correct ones can still be recovered.Jul 15 12:28
schestowitz>Jul 15 12:28
schestowitz> Probably not. Focus is still an issue for me often.  The one today mightJul 15 12:28
schestowitz> have been this one:Jul 15 12:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition review | Tux MachinesJul 15 12:28
schestowitz> http://www.pcworld.com/article/2947705/windows-phone-os/nadella-microsoft-isnt-killing-windows-phone-and-will-go-it-alone-if-it-has-to.htmlJul 15 12:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com | Nadella: Microsoft isn't killing Windows Phone and will go it alone if it has to | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/n4p56 ]Jul 15 12:28
schestowitz>Jul 15 12:28
schestowitz> But it's not worth much aside from tracking what the official party lineJul 15 12:28
schestowitz> is this week.Jul 15 12:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Alpine Linux 3.2.2 Server-Oriented Distro GetsJul 15 12:28
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schestowitzThe writer, Mark Hachman, is a Microsoft booster and he seems to have been promoted by IDG to Senior Editor.Jul 15 12:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Alpine Linux 3.2.2 Server-Oriented Distro Gets the Latest Linux Kernel 3.18.18 LTS | Tux MachinesJul 15 12:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition First Impressions,Jul 15 12:29
TweetTuxMachines                 Exceeding Expectations http://t.co/EoCrTgFcf4Jul 15 12:29
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tizen on Raspberry PI 2 now with 3DJul 15 12:29
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6345892Jul 15 12:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Always loved the idea of the EU because of promises of harmony, commonwealth, democracy. Refuted by #greece #imf and http://www.fosspatents.com/2015/07/leadership-of-european-patent-office.htmlJul 15 12:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Leadership of European Patent Office blocks examiners' access to directory of potential prior art [ http://ur1.ca/n4nm0 ]Jul 15 12:33
schestowitz"Jul 15 12:33
schestowitzThere is nothing more to say. All those that lost there savings have given up all hope they will get anything back. Except maybe some worthless bank stocks.Jul 15 12:33
schestowitzIn the meantime, the Cyprus law system has failed up to now, to bring the looters to justice.Jul 15 12:33
schestowitz"Jul 15 12:33
schestowitzCyprus is too small to stand up to international bankingJul 15 12:33
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6342319Jul 15 12:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Facebook's New Security Chief Calls On #Adobe To Kill #Flash http://www.tomshardware.com/news/alex-stamos-kill-flash-player,29576.html http://www.pcworld.com/article/2947381/how-to-disable-flash-player-why-nows-a-better-time-than-ever.htmlJul 15 12:34
schestowitz"i don’t mean a blob, just a js library that does everything that flash could do (actionscript is ecmascript anyway), and the already available design tools would use that instead, and existing projects could be migrated"Jul 15 12:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.tomshardware.com | Facebook's New Security Chief Calls On Adobe To Kill Flash [ http://ur1.ca/n4nzu ]Jul 15 12:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.pcworld.com | How to disable Flash Player: Why now's a better time than ever | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/n4nzv ]Jul 15 12:34
schestowitzI believe that this is exactly what Eich is working on these daysJul 15 12:34
oiaohmschestowitz: really the greek mess is stupid.   No one knows how to think on feet.Jul 15 12:37
oiaohmhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promissory_noteJul 15 12:37
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oiaohmLike if the EU will not give the greeks enough notes to operate the correct solution is greek banks provide promissory notes to customers so customers can still carry out their require tranactions.Jul 15 12:38
oiaohmOf course promissory notes will not be any worth to spend outside greeceJul 15 12:38
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TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/1evjvZQqZd (www.proli.net) " Kate.Jul 15 13:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techrepublic.com | Five Linux desktop distributions with a great future - TechRepublicJul 15 13:12
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     IBM Chasing $20B Linux Server Market With PowerJul 15 13:12
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition reviewJul 15 13:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.v3.co.uk | Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition review - reviews for UK IT professionals - V3.co.ukJul 15 13:23
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oiaohmhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTg3NjQ  For those who don't check lines of code systemd is more a kay project than anyone else by lines of code in it.Jul 15 13:36
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__martin__oiaohm: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Systemd_components.svg/720px-Systemd_components.svg.pngJul 15 13:45
MinceRkay is at least as much an idiot as poetteringJul 15 13:46
__martin__"Kay = Lead/Primary Developer, GregKH = Kernel Liason / Kay's Kernel Babysitter" - Phoronix ForumsJul 15 13:47
oiaohmMinceR: Key has written over 50 percent of the code if you flow it back.Jul 15 13:48
MinceRgregkh is also the primary apologist for the windowsification of the kernelJul 15 13:48
oiaohmMinceR: interesting point is poettering has written most of the documentation.Jul 15 13:49
MinceRdid he also write most of the code comments? :>Jul 15 13:49
oiaohmMinceR: more than Kay did.Jul 15 13:50
oiaohmIf I have a problem with a particular developer in systemd it Kay.Jul 15 13:50
MinceRat least kay has enough sense to not speak publicly that muchJul 15 13:51
oiaohmThe document writer kinda has to speak publicly to find out what needs to be documented.Jul 15 13:51
MinceRredcrap listens to the public about as much as canonical doesJul 15 13:52
MinceR(i.e. not at all)Jul 15 13:52
oiaohmWhen it comes to documentation they listen to public because they hope it reduces phone calls.Jul 15 13:52
oiaohmRemember redhat support contracts they make the money if you ring or not.Jul 15 13:52
oiaohmOf course they make less if you ring.Jul 15 13:52
MinceRif they cared about the number of phone calls, they wouldn't make this mess called systemdJul 15 13:53
MinceRthe whole point is to make everyone dependent on their supportJul 15 13:53
oiaohmMinceR: no sysvinit and upstart were generating there stack of phone calls.Jul 15 13:53
MinceRfrom the NSA?Jul 15 13:54
oiaohmsystvinit with PID service tracking failing and upstart ptrace tracking of services breaking stuff was not good fun.Jul 15 13:54
MinceR"there are not enough vulnerabilities in the kernel, sysvinit and upstart, please do something about it!"Jul 15 13:54
MinceRgood thing systemd's failure modes are good fun, right?Jul 15 13:55
oiaohmsorry there are vulnerablies in not being able to give services unique /tmp directories and other things.Jul 15 13:55
oiaohmMinceR: Note I am not saying systemd is perfect.Jul 15 13:55
oiaohmThe reality is redhat motivation was that the existing was broken.Jul 15 13:55
MinceRit's not like systemd's the only way to have unique tmp directoriesJul 15 13:55
MinceRno, i doubt that's valid motivation for making something that's a thousand times more brokenJul 15 13:56
MinceRthe existing being not broken enough, on the other hand...Jul 15 13:56
oiaohmThe middle ground was make something like openrcJul 15 13:56
oiaohmOf course I think redhat did not plan out required key features well enough.Jul 15 13:57
MinceRdepends on what their goal isJul 15 13:57
MinceRif it's to become SCO #2 and kill unix for m$, they're doing wellJul 15 13:57
MinceRif it's to spread dave cutler's "I Hate Unix Principle Of OS Design", they're doing wellJul 15 13:58
oiaohmHave you not looked over this . http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTg3NjQJul 15 13:59
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oiaohmSorry to say systemd does not agree with dave cutlers  "I Hate Unix Principle Of OS Design"Jul 15 13:59
oiaohmQuestion MinceR is wayland designed for multiseat like X11 is??  Have you though about that ever.Jul 15 14:00
MinceRi don't read moronix that muchJul 15 14:00
MinceRi'm more concerned about whether wayland will ever match X11 in flexibilityJul 15 14:00
MinceR145935 < oiaohm> Sorry to say systemd does not agree with dave cutlers  "I Hate Unix Principle Of OS Design"Jul 15 14:00
MinceRyet they have binary loggingJul 15 14:00
MinceRyet they openly attack the unix principlesJul 15 14:01
MinceRyet they copy all sorts of design flaws from windowsJul 15 14:01
oiaohmPoint to example of one of those things MinceRJul 15 14:01
MinceRbinary logging: journaldJul 15 14:01
MinceRattack on unix principles: poettering's blog posts about ignoring posix and unix principlesJul 15 14:01
oiaohmYou are aware binary logging syslogs existed before journaldJul 15 14:01
MinceRdesign flaws from windows: unrelated crap in systemd (like gummiboot, udev, a web server), dbus in the kernelJul 15 14:02
MinceRyes, on vms and winblowsJul 15 14:02
oiaohmMinceR: solaris had has binary logging.Jul 15 14:02
MinceRslowlaris is crap, so what?Jul 15 14:02
oiaohmReason for binary logging was to prevent tampering.Jul 15 14:03
MinceRit doesn't workJul 15 14:03
MinceRand anyone with a clue has known that for agesJul 15 14:03
oiaohmIn fact it does work.Jul 15 14:03
MinceRthe only real ways to prevent tampering are: 1) log to a line printerJul 15 14:03
MinceR2) log via a unidirectional link to an otherwise isolated systemJul 15 14:03
MinceRyou _might_ get by with logging over the network to a separate server, but that's less robust alreadyJul 15 14:04
oiaohm3 a TPM chip cascading signing.Jul 15 14:04
MinceRlolJul 15 14:04
MinceRyeah, right, let's trust Treacherous ComputingJul 15 14:04
MinceRit's not like it was invented to take control of our computers away from usJul 15 14:04
MinceRoh wait, it wasJul 15 14:04
oiaohmOr in solaris case a internal encryption engine.Jul 15 14:05
oiaohmin the sparc processorJul 15 14:05
MinceRooh, black boxes in the processorJul 15 14:05
MinceRwhat's next, the Clipper chip?Jul 15 14:05
MinceRwith approval from obama and cameron?Jul 15 14:05
oiaohmbinary logging with signing like journald is required to get approval in some countries MinceRJul 15 14:06
MinceRnobody should ever buy TPMs nor pay for themJul 15 14:06
MinceRwhat good is your signature if your attacker deletes the log?Jul 15 14:06
oiaohmSo binary logging with a TPM or equal chip enforcing non tampered state is a requiree feature.Jul 15 14:06
MinceRwhat good is your signature if your log corrupts itself?Jul 15 14:06
oiaohm1 you know that the Log has been deleted.Jul 15 14:06
MinceRwhat good is your signature if you don't use a timestamping authority?Jul 15 14:06
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MinceRooh, the log has been deleted, that tells me so muchJul 15 14:06
MinceRwithout a timestamping authority, an attacker could reconstruct the log without the entires they want missingJul 15 14:07
MinceRs/tire/trie/Jul 15 14:07
oiaohmencryption chip cascading no attacker cannot reconstruct the log without the entiries they want missing.Jul 15 14:07
MinceRwhat good is your signature if your log has filled your log disk ages ago because it shovels all the garbage it can find (including core dumps) into the log?Jul 15 14:07
MinceR(and so you weren't logging for ages)Jul 15 14:08
MinceR001024 < ThePub> had an interesting discovery today.. a 1.2TB journald logJul 15 14:08
oiaohmdid you not notice that journald supports sending the binary log remote.Jul 15 14:08
MinceRthis is the only thing that broken pile of garbage is good forJul 15 14:08
MinceRooh, it also happens to support something that makes senseJul 15 14:08
oiaohmSo attacker gets in deletes log or attempts to modify hello cannot keep up stream messages.Jul 15 14:08
MinceRstop the presses!Jul 15 14:08
MinceRguess what, a reliable logging daemon at a fraction of the size and complexity can do the sameJul 15 14:09
MinceRreliablyJul 15 14:09
oiaohmNot to required standards.Jul 15 14:09
oiaohmYou need to read some of the ISO standards on logging.Jul 15 14:09
oiaohmLike or not text base does not cut it.Jul 15 14:10
MinceRwhich of them say you must log like windows?Jul 15 14:10
MinceRare we pretending text files can't be signed, now?Jul 15 14:10
oiaohmIn fact windows logging does not cut it.Jul 15 14:10
oiaohmIts not effectively signed.Jul 15 14:10
MinceRalso, was this an ISO "standard" before m$ bought all the people who run ISO?Jul 15 14:10
MinceRso they could fast-track OOXML?Jul 15 14:10
oiaohmIf these standards where written by Microsoft NT would pass.Jul 15 14:11
MinceRyou should really publish an article on how PGP/GPG signatures don't workJul 15 14:11
oiaohmThe parties who wrote the standard I am talking about are HP, IBM and SUNJul 15 14:11
oiaohmYes old world UNIXJul 15 14:11
MinceRah, so HP handed over the sheaf of papers they got from their daddy microsoftJul 15 14:11
oiaohmNopJul 15 14:11
MinceRand the others rubberstamped itJul 15 14:11
oiaohmNopJul 15 14:11
oiaohmIt based off HPUX trusted Jul 15 14:12
MinceRand it's not like there are other, more important unix vendors aroundJul 15 14:12
oiaohmThat existed before they rubber stamped anything for Microsoft.Jul 15 14:12
MinceRso, in a nutshell, how do GPG/PGP signatures not work?Jul 15 14:12
oiaohmFails for this.Jul 15 14:12
MinceRit's a remarkable discovery, you should tell me about itJul 15 14:12
oiaohmMinceR: remember what you said about time based.Jul 15 14:13
oiaohmRemember I said cascading.Jul 15 14:13
oiaohmGPG/PGP are not designed for cascading.Jul 15 14:13
oiaohmcascading is something like bitcoin transfers.Jul 15 14:14
oiaohmMinceR: so to take over the last zones of old world Unix Linux has to pick up a few optional old world unix features.Jul 15 14:15
oiaohmBinary logging with cascading encryption option is one of those.Jul 15 14:15
oiaohmMinceR: improved process tracking and using non posix things in init system is another common behavour of old world unix systems.Jul 15 14:16
MinceRinteresting attempt at revisionist history thereJul 15 14:17
oiaohmNot all all.Jul 15 14:17
oiaohmHPUX trusted with binary logging is 1986Jul 15 14:17
oiaohmBefore Linux existed.Jul 15 14:17
MinceRwhen do we get to "unix was really just a fork of windows nt"?Jul 15 14:17
oiaohmMinceR: How to I know I broke the binary long.Jul 15 14:18
oiaohmThe binary logging feature predates NT existance.Jul 15 14:18
oiaohmIt a feature that was copied in.Jul 15 14:18
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oiaohmIf anyone is the revisionist here on logging its you MinceRJul 15 14:19
MinceRuh huhJul 15 14:19
MinceRso, when do we get to "unix was really just a fork of vms"?Jul 15 14:20
oiaohmMinceR: you are writing up that binary logging was a Microsoft idea.  Its not its a old world Unix ideaJul 15 14:20
MinceR(protip: unix predates vms)Jul 15 14:20
oiaohmVMS had text logging.Jul 15 14:20
oiaohmI said old world Unix  being the old world binary build Unix guys.Jul 15 14:21
msb__Systemd will soon have a new feature, where it sends copies of the journal to Putin!Jul 15 14:21
MinceRi wonder what's AT&T and BSDJul 15 14:21
msb__So he can Rule the World!Jul 15 14:22
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MinceRfor that, putler would have to pay redcrap more than the NSA doesJul 15 14:22
oiaohmhttps://books.google.com.au/books?id=GvmWQKoB1AsC&pg=PA224&lpg=PA224&dq=hpux+binary+logging&source=bl&ots=X0DMamrKhf&sig=JYW4OEU53DfNMLb2uQi5ouy0_co&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDcQ6AEwBGoVChMIjqbtr53dxgIVZdimCh3t7g5zJul 15 14:24
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oiaohmMinceR: notice accounting log files.Jul 15 14:24
oiaohmUnix having binary log files is nothing new MinceRJul 15 14:24
oiaohmI can keep on pulling books older if you need the MinceRJul 15 14:25
MinceRi've never seen wtmp treated like an actual log (rotated, etc.)Jul 15 14:25
MinceRand it's not to be confused with the contents of /var/log/Jul 15 14:25
__martin__msb__: systemd-dd :_DJul 15 14:26
oiaohmhttp://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos12.1/topics/concept/security-binary-logging-understanding.htmlJul 15 14:29
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oiaohmMinceR: that is a BSD with binary version of syslogJul 15 14:29
MinceRJunOS as "old unix"Jul 15 14:29
MinceRthis is just getting betterJul 15 14:29
oiaohmThat is newJul 15 14:29
oiaohmRedhat with binary logging has two problems.Jul 15 14:29
oiaohmYou have new bsd's with binary logging.Jul 15 14:29
oiaohmAnd you have old ISO standard written for old Unix demarding itJul 15 14:30
oiaohmjournald comes out of being kinda screwed between BSD and UnixJul 15 14:30
MinceRnow we blame BSD and Unix for poettering's brain damage?Jul 15 14:31
MinceR(or sievers')Jul 15 14:31
oiaohmUnix and BSD is the reason for binary logging.Jul 15 14:31
oiaohmThe broken implementation of it is their fault.Jul 15 14:31
oiaohmtheir being sievers and poetteringJul 15 14:31
oiaohmBasically I have no problem with you being upset with journald not working correctly.  But saying binary logging is from windows that wrong.   Saying its anti Unix is also wrong due what is forcing it to be at least an optional feature on Linux.Jul 15 14:33
MinceRfunny, i thought the official excuse was that they wanted to store something about a managed service and couldn't think of any other solution than fucking up the loggingJul 15 14:33
MinceR(exit status or something like that)Jul 15 14:34
MinceRoiaohm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophyJul 15 14:34
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oiaohmThe binary logging bit was on the table before the first line of systemd was written.  MinceRJul 15 14:34
MinceR"Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface."Jul 15 14:34
MinceR"Store data in flat text files."Jul 15 14:34
oiaohmPlease note the date that Store data in flat text files was written.Jul 15 14:36
oiaohm1994Jul 15 14:36
oiaohmWhen did binary logging in Unix start  way before that MinceRJul 15 14:36
MinceRalso, what's preventing a log daemon from maintaining a running checksum (hash) of all log lines so far, encrypting that with the private key used for signing, and appending that signature in base64 to the log after every line or every n lines?Jul 15 14:37
oiaohmSo that being believed as part of Unix Philosophy.Jul 15 14:37
oiaohmThe old rule is  "Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface."  journalctl obeys that.Jul 15 14:38
oiaohmMinceR: how do you keep exact order of when every logging entry happened using a running checksum.   Spread across many invidual log files it can become a big mess quickly.Jul 15 14:39
MinceRi think hash algorithms already handle thatJul 15 14:40
MinceR[mincer@darkstar:pts/12:/home/mincer]% echo "hello\nworld" |sha1sumJul 15 14:41
MinceR58853e8a5e8272b1012f9a52a80758b27bd0d3cb  -Jul 15 14:41
MinceR[mincer@darkstar:pts/12:/home/mincer]% echo "world\nhello" |sha1sumJul 15 14:41
MinceRec570b8af1b14c6d8e4cf17925c55b9e4c0c08df  -Jul 15 14:41
MinceRindeed they doJul 15 14:41
oiaohmWhat order did you do those 2 operations in can you tell from the hash MinceRJul 15 14:42
oiaohmThere is advantage to gluing all the logs into 1 file.Jul 15 14:42
MinceRi canJul 15 14:42
MinceRone of them matches the hash, the other results in a different hashJul 15 14:42
MinceRand no, there's no need to glue all the logs into 1 file, as long as you use a timestamp authorityJul 15 14:42
MinceR(which you'll need, otherwise the attacker can just rebuild the logs after the fact)Jul 15 14:43
MinceRi suppose if it's extremely important that the order of certain lines be preserved, you'd want to log them in the same file anyway.Jul 15 14:43
oiaohmtimestamp authority without cascading attacker can possiblely delete an entry.Jul 15 14:43
MinceRmissing entries would show in the hashes.Jul 15 14:43
oiaohmfinding missing entries is more complex with more files.Jul 15 14:44
oiaohmSo there are reasons behind the choice.Jul 15 14:44
MinceRif the final hash calculated from a file doesn't match the decoded hash found in it, you know it was tampered with.Jul 15 14:44
MinceRmissing entries or whateverJul 15 14:44
MinceRa binary log is worse, as it would possibly become entirely unreadable to the utility reading itJul 15 14:45
MinceRsystemd already acknowledges this issue and their "solution" is to start a new logJul 15 14:45
oiaohmDid you not notice journald support 1 shipping to a backup location 2 duplicating into syslog.Jul 15 14:45
MinceRlogging into a backup location was done well before systemd even existed.Jul 15 14:46
MinceRsyslog-ng could do it, for example.Jul 15 14:46
oiaohmExactly why did journald from the start include option to duplicate into syslog.Jul 15 14:46
oiaohmDoes not match you claim that it was out to destroy things.Jul 15 14:47
oiaohmMinceR: if journald was being setup with it syslog mode on I guess you would have less of a issue with it.Jul 15 14:48
MinceRif journald was a separate product and wasn't designed to hijack syslog, i would have less of an issue with itJul 15 14:48
MinceRjust like if the cult wasn't trying all the tricks they found in the big microsoft book to try and force me to use systemd, i would have less of an issue with it.Jul 15 14:49
oiaohmAll the binary logging products high jack syslog MinceRJul 15 14:49
MinceRalso note that the "duplicate" passes through journald and might be mangled by itJul 15 14:49
MinceRaccording to how poettering feels likeJul 15 14:49
MinceRthis is the opposite of how reliable logging can be doneJul 15 14:50
oiaohmLike the  JunOSJul 15 14:50
MinceR(for example, at one time they suddenly decided they'll strip random whitespace: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/98 )Jul 15 14:50
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oiaohmPoettering and systemd guys basically copied how it has been done on other systems.Jul 15 14:50
oiaohmwith the binary logging badly.Jul 15 14:50
MinceRyes, they copied design flaws they found in other systemsJul 15 14:50
MinceRespecially in windows ntJul 15 14:50
oiaohmDrop the NT they were not coping NT.Jul 15 14:51
MinceRand they're trying to force those design flaws on everybody.Jul 15 14:51
MinceRyes they wereJul 15 14:51
oiaohmThere are a stack of NT logging design flaws journald don't haveJul 15 14:51
MinceRbinary logging and the "throw it into the kernel" principle both exist in winblows nt.Jul 15 14:51
MinceRyet.Jul 15 14:51
oiaohmBut journald logging faults match up to like jonOS and others from the BSD and Unix world.Jul 15 14:51
oiaohmIncluding deleted spaces.Jul 15 14:51
oiaohmCalled space saving.Jul 15 14:52
MinceRlolJul 15 14:52
oiaohmNT logging is knowing for makign the text longer by adding garbage.Jul 15 14:52
MinceRyeah, suddenly growing the log to 1.2TB is "space saving"Jul 15 14:52
MinceRWAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, and IGNORANCE IS STRENGTHJul 15 14:53
oiaohmMinceR: ie missing white space error showed what they were coping.Jul 15 14:53
MinceRit's not like additional whitespaces can be compressed easilyJul 15 14:53
MinceRthat's why there are no .gz files in /var/log, right?Jul 15 14:53
oiaohmMinceR: I am not saying everything is sane.Jul 15 14:54
oiaohmMinceR: but you have got an anti-microsoft bent and that is wrong with the journald logging.Jul 15 14:54
oiaohmUnix and BSD world single file binary logging suxs in so many particular ways it not funny.Jul 15 14:54
MinceRthe excuses used in defense of the systemd/kdbus/etc are ludicrous.Jul 15 14:54
MinceRs/etc/& mess/Jul 15 14:55
oiaohmAnd journald manaage to implement almost all of them.Jul 15 14:55
MinceRi have an anti-insanity bentJul 15 14:55
MinceRand i have an anti-'idiots' takeover of the systems i run' bentJul 15 14:55
MinceRi also have an anti-lockin bentJul 15 14:56
oiaohmMinceR: mind you journld still misses one that HP UX had.   Manformed Unicode A ie over lenth unicode for Cap A  Deletes the 4 chars following it.Jul 15 14:56
MinceRthey may yet implement thatJul 15 14:57
oiaohmLike it or not the fault list of journald says it replmentation of Unix and BSD single file binary logging.Jul 15 14:58
oiaohmSad part is it better than some that have existed MinceRJul 15 14:59
oiaohmI guess you are too young to have heard system admins saying that particular makes of Unix were worthless before you installed GNU on them.Jul 15 15:00
oiaohmSome of that was on some of them to disable binary logging because it was broken  MinceRJul 15 15:01
oiaohmMinceR: Unix and BSD worlds have huge stacks of stuff that suxs.Jul 15 15:02
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cubexyzif you look at the history of Unix one will see the huge influence of BSDJul 15 15:24
cubexyzBSD was so influential that Bell Labs modelled version 8 on BSD4.1cJul 15 15:25
MinceRso, what part of GNU does binary loggingJul 15 15:25
MinceR?Jul 15 15:25
cubexyzI don't know... I can't recall seeing thatJul 15 15:26
cubexyz/var/log is all text as far as I knowJul 15 15:26
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cubexyzon OpenBSD wtmp data is gzip compressedJul 15 15:27
cubexyzsame with old messagesJul 15 15:29
cubexyzI never thought Unix was worthless before GNU thoughJul 15 15:32
cubexyzthe old Unix was hacker friendly, especially from 1975 to 1979Jul 15 15:32
cubexyzafter that things get rather crappy for a whileJul 15 15:33
cubexyz1980 to 1992 <- the crappy eraJul 15 15:34
cubexyzafter 1992 things start to greatly improve with the 2.11BSD backport, and the first appearance of Linux distros like MCC Interim Linux and YggdrasilJul 15 15:35
cubexyzI started to see Yggdrasil and FreeBSD CDs by 1994 from Walnut CreekJul 15 15:36
cubexyzin the crappy era you needed $$$ to run Unix on Sun3, or get an expensive license $1K from SCO and you still didn't get much source codeJul 15 15:37
cubexyzfolks were installing FreeBSD in 1993Jul 15 15:38
cubexyz<oiaohm> is really criticizing proprietary UnixJul 15 15:39
cubexyzpeople did complain about Stallman and Linux though back in the early 1990sJul 15 15:40
cubexyzmostly the complaints back then were "Stallman == Communist" and Linux doesn't support my hardwareJul 15 15:40
cubexyzditto for Minix, it wasn't easy to get runningJul 15 15:41
cubexyzbelieve or not, the era we are currently in is a vast improvement over what we had in the 1980sJul 15 15:41
cubexyzrunning NCR Unix on a 68020 with Wyse terminals wasn't too funJul 15 15:43
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Akademy 2015 Keynote: Matthias KirschnerJul 15 23:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dot.kde.org | Akademy 2015 Keynote: Matthias Kirschner | KDE.newsJul 15 23:20
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Planning for an "Atomic Workstation"Jul 15 23:20
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Nvidia Is Now Using a New Linux Kernel ModuleJul 15 23:20
TweetTuxMachines                 Source Layout http://t.co/cNzspRfoKWJul 15 23:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Nvidia Is Now Using a New Linux Kernel Module Source Layout | Tux MachinesJul 15 23:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 15.10 Desktop Updates Bring Fixes forJul 15 23:21
TweetTuxMachines                 Mir Backend http://t.co/NXYQ2yWC9BJul 15 23:21
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Fedora Atomic Workstations in Planning StagesJul 15 23:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora Atomic Workstations in Planning Stages | Tux MachinesJul 15 23:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     PC-BSD Releases Lumina Desktop 0.8.5Jul 15 23:21
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msb__Divide the set of all possible Linux problems into two subsets:  A. problems causing a corrupt system log   B. All other problemsJul 16 00:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Touch Gets Full Shell Rotation withJul 16 00:10
TweetTuxMachines                 Latest Update and So Much MoreJul 16 00:10
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msb__A binary encrypted journal is only useful for the tiny subset A.  For all other problems, an ASCII log that can be easily read by a variety of tools, some of which are likely to still be working, is vastly better.Jul 16 00:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Solus Ditches Adobe Flash, Gets Boot Time DownJul 16 00:10
TweetTuxMachines                 to 1.4 Seconds http://t.co/WljVcvh4UtJul 16 00:10
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 16 00:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Solus Ditches Adobe Flash, Gets Boot Time Down to 1.4 Seconds | Tux MachinesJul 16 00:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     This Android-based mini-PC could cost less thanJul 16 00:11
TweetTuxMachines                 a dinner for two http://t.co/GbX0HQKkbXJul 16 00:11
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 16 00:11
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msb__This is the reason for making everything ASCII human-readable that it's reasonable to do.  It make troubleshooting much easier!Jul 16 00:12
MinceRindeedJul 16 00:13
MinceRit also reduces the effect of corruptionJul 16 00:13
msb__And even if there is corruption, the person reading the log may notice inconsistencies, etc.Jul 16 00:14
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Phone gains landscape support, paves wayJul 16 00:28
TweetTuxMachines                 for mouse and keyboard supportJul 16 00:28
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/GvrBNJVX1K (liliputing.com)Jul 16 00:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-liliputing.com | Ubuntu Phone gains landscape support, paves way for mouse and keyboard support - LiliputingJul 16 00:28
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Tablet designed for America’s prisonsJul 16 00:28
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/AV4IeCWopx (tabtimes.com) runsJul 16 00:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tabtimes.com | The Tablet designed for America's prisons - TabTimesJul 16 00:28
TweetTuxMachines                 linuxJul 16 00:28
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/621468854288580608  https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/621470329039388672Jul 16 01:17
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat pushing hard beyond Linux in the dataJul 16 01:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com | Red Hat pushing hard beyond Linux in the data center | Network WorldJul 16 01:33
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Nvidia Is Now Using a New Linux Kernel ModuleJul 16 01:33
TweetTuxMachines                 Source Layout http://t.co/72UI1LRtOLJul 16 01:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Nvidia Is Now Using a New Linux Kernel Module Source Layout - SoftpediaJul 16 01:33
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Jul 16 01:33
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 15.10 Desktop Updates Bring Fixes forJul 16 01:33
TweetTuxMachines                 Mir Backend http://t.co/9bx9t8AAKxJul 16 01:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu 15.10 Desktop Updates Bring Fixes for Mir Backend - SoftpediaJul 16 01:33
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Jul 16 01:33
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Touch Gets Full Shell Rotation withJul 16 01:35
TweetTuxMachines                 Latest Update and So Much MoreJul 16 01:35
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/4fsPyiHRvT (news.softpedia.com)Jul 16 01:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch Gets Full Shell Rotation with Latest Update and So Much More - SoftpediaJul 16 01:35
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Solus Ditches Adobe Flash, Gets Boot Time DownJul 16 01:35
TweetTuxMachines                 to 1.4 Seconds http://t.co/xnHSJmkrwIJul 16 01:35
TweetTuxMachines                 (linux.softpedia.com)Jul 16 01:35
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TweetTuxMachines @robinsnewswire  (linux.softpedia.com)Jul 16 02:28
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     This Android-based mini-PC could cost less thanJul 16 02:28
TweetTuxMachines                 a dinner for two http://t.co/A6bP1tSsXxJul 16 02:28
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.gizmag.com)Jul 16 02:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gizmag.com | This Android-based mini-PC could cost less than a dinner for twoJul 16 02:28
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     First open source school management softwareJul 16 02:28
TweetTuxMachines                 developed in Haiti http://t.co/hRvFBUl1O8Jul 16 02:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | First open source school management software developed in Haiti | Tux MachinesJul 16 02:28
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     10 things I want Firefox OS to do for meJul 16 02:38
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/QbggT5LOz2 (benjaminkerensa.com)Jul 16 02:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-benjaminkerensa.com | 10 things I want Firefox OS to do for me – Benjamin KerensaJul 16 02:38
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Getting into Linux Kernel DevelopmentJul 16 02:38
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/qbEN4tNcAS (www.cyphar.com)Jul 16 02:38
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Touch Gets Full Shell Rotation withJul 16 02:45
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Latest Update and So Much MoreJul 16 02:45
TweetTuxMachines @tokvbok        http://t.co/4fsPyiHRvT (news.softpedia.com)Jul 16 02:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch Gets Full Shell Rotation with Latest Update and So Much More - SoftpediaJul 16 02:45
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Getting into Linux Kernel DevelopmentJul 16 02:45
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/J1NlR3Zm4F (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 16 02:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Getting into Linux Kernel Development | Tux MachinesJul 16 02:45
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Canonical and FSF: the LatestJul 16 02:45
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/Pny9ZeVuYV (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 16 02:45
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: OSS http://t.co/vaBZSfFvEEJul 16 03:05
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android Leftovers http://t.co/RaDRwcwY5SJul 16 03:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJul 16 03:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat News http://t.co/xWSKgtlRytJul 16 03:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat News | Tux MachinesJul 16 03:05
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Links 15/7/2015: Linux in Prison, CanonicalJul 16 03:06
TweetTuxMachines                 'IP' Dispute http://t.co/Ip8HZTs6B8Jul 16 03:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 15/7/2015: Linux in Prison, Canonical ‘IP’ Dispute | TechrightsJul 16 03:06
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: KDE http://t.co/n9eXX73WzRJul 16 03:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: KDE | Tux MachinesJul 16 03:28
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Gaming and SoftwareJul 16 03:28
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/3HaYJ79vzF (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 16 03:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming and Software | Tux MachinesJul 16 03:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos http://t.co/bE2Vo1QD5sJul 16 03:28
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 16 03:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJul 16 03:28
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's leftovers http://t.co/MaQ7yocfp4Jul 16 10:37
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Jul 16 10:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesJul 16 10:37
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schestowitzYou wroteJul 16 11:34
schestowitz> Do you have any contacts with anyone who knows why the PDF and item were taken down. I chatted with Florian this morning and both of us would like to know what happened? Do you know of someone who would come forward given secure enough a channel?Jul 16 11:34
schestowitzI will try, and (perhaps) report some days later. Regarding the "Innercircle" case, I have currently no information.Jul 16 11:34
schestowitzMy current knowledge about similar things (takedowns from the _public_ area of the SUEPO side) is: the decision what is flagged public and what not is taken mostly by admins, and these are not members of the (political) SUEPO core team.Jul 16 11:34
schestowitzSo in a few cases, an item was flagged "public" by a decision of a single person, which perhaps later get revised, resulting in a (look like a) takedown, or admin got cold feet (most likely) and flagged the item as non-public.Jul 16 11:34
schestowitzIn general:Jul 16 11:34
schestowitzknowing the fact, that sometimes information is public for a certain time should be a hint to you to visit the public page regularly and to record what you can get - information may disappear now and then.Jul 16 11:34
schestowitzAgain:Jul 16 11:34
schestowitzRegarding the "Innercircle" case, I have currently no information.Jul 16 11:35
schestowitzhttp://suepo.org/public/newsJul 16 11:35
schestowitz" FOSS Patents reports that EPO staff can no longer access the TechRights blog, which is written by a free and open source software activist from the UK, Dr. Roy Schestowitz. The matter was addressed by the Central Staff Committee (CSC) in a letter sent to the Director Internal Communication. "Jul 16 11:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-suepo.org | SUEPO - NewsJul 16 11:35
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     "Develop Checker Framework has been pushed toJul 16 11:51
TweetTuxMachines                 the KDevPlatform repository." Jul 16 11:51
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/REe8RbP7SCJul 16 11:51
TweetTuxMachines                 (dfighter1985.wordpress.com)Jul 16 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dfighter1985.wordpress.com | KDevelop Checker Framework – pushed | dfighter1985Jul 16 11:51
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*TweetTuxMachines @DzhumabaevaMega favourited '"Develop Checker Framework has been pushed to the...'Jul 16 12:23
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     A Grooveshark-Alternative Music Player ForJul 16 12:23
TweetTuxMachines                 Ubuntu Touch Is Under DevelopmentJul 16 12:23
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/P9cO9vx2WF (linuxg.net)Jul 16 12:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net | A Grooveshark-Alternative Music Player For Ubuntu Touch Is Under Development | LinuxG.netJul 16 12:23
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     PiDrive A Low Power Raspberry Pi mSATA SolidJul 16 12:23
TweetTuxMachines                 State Disk (SSD) http://t.co/WxjNlquT8AJul 16 12:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geeky-gadgets.com | PiDrive A Low Power Raspberry Pi mSATA Solid State Disk (SSD)Jul 16 12:23
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.geeky-gadgets.com)Jul 16 12:23
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jurasick/status/621643758451474432Jul 16 12:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz their stance on criticism is reminiscent of Apple's, albeit less strident. Apple folks do it with religious fervorJul 16 12:34
schestowitzCanonical and MozillaJul 16 12:34
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 15.10 Desktop Updates Bring Fixes forJul 16 12:36
TweetTuxMachines                 Mir Backend http://t.co/9bx9t8AAKxJul 16 12:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu 15.10 Desktop Updates Bring Fixes for Mir Backend - SoftpediaJul 16 12:36
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Jul 16 12:36
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4yctJul 16 12:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Lucius II Adventure Game Is Coming to LinuxJul 16 12:37
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/HjZAdKAQ7g (linux.softpedia.com)Jul 16 12:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Lucius II Adventure Game Is Coming to Linux - SoftpediaJul 16 12:37
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Team Fortress 2 Gets Fixes and BalancingJul 16 12:37
TweetTuxMachines                 ChangesJul 16 12:37
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/7qd7MlVtpB (linux.softpedia.com)Jul 16 12:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Team Fortress 2 Gets Fixes and Balancing Changes - SoftpediaJul 16 12:37
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4ycvJul 16 12:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     SteamOS 2.25 "Brewmaster" Based on Debian 8Jul 16 12:42
TweetTuxMachines                 Gets Linux Kernel Update and MoreJul 16 12:42
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/t300RmFERz (news.softpedia.com)Jul 16 12:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | SteamOS 2.25 "Brewmaster" Based on Debian 8 Gets Linux Kernel Update and More - SoftpediaJul 16 12:42
TweetTuxMachines                 discounts http://t.co/D9XWo66Bp8Jul 16 12:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Crusader Kings II Gets a Huge 80% Price Cut on Steam for Linux - SoftpediaJul 16 12:42
TweetTuxMachines                 (linux.softpedia.com)Jul 16 12:42
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     A look at what's on the horizon for LibreOfficeJul 16 12:42
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/ZV90ax7opX (opensource.com) "IJul 16 12:42
TweetTuxMachines                 returned to using a Linux desktop"Jul 16 12:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com | Interview with Italo Vignoli, The Document Foundation | Opensource.comJul 16 12:42
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Don't Expect Much from Intel Compute Stick withJul 16 12:42
TweetTuxMachines                 Ubuntu, Windows Version Is TerribleJul 16 12:42
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/gpe6vtuPeZ (news.softpedia.com)Jul 16 12:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Don't Expect Much from Intel Compute Stick with Ubuntu, Windows Version Is Terrible - SoftpediaJul 16 12:42
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/shivergames/status/621647538433748992Jul 16 12:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@shivergames: Could be true.. https://t.co/nund6M82o8Jul 16 12:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Lucius II Adventure Game Is Coming to Linux http://t.co/BnZQV1hUbq #games #gnu #linuxJul 16 12:49
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6349113Jul 16 13:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: The best Linux distributions for beginners http://www.pcworld.com/article/2947333/operating-systems/the-best-linux-distributions-for-beginners.htmlJul 16 13:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.pcworld.com | The best Linux distributions for beginners | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/n4v8h ]Jul 16 13:04
schestowitz"http://antergos.com/ (http://antergos.com/) :-P"Jul 16 13:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-antergos.com | Antergos | Your Linux. Always Fresh. Never Frozen.Jul 16 13:04
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Canonical Clarifies IP Policy, No One ElseJul 16 13:07
TweetTuxMachines                 Happy http://t.co/oGmoFyLeDr (ostatic.com)Jul 16 13:07
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/KNqk6aCLsn (news.softpedia.com)Jul 16 13:07
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/n4yizJul 16 13:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com | Canonical Clarifies IP Policy, No One Else HappyJul 16 13:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Canonical Updates Ubuntu Licensing Terms After Two-Year Discussions with FSF - SoftpediaJul 16 13:07
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Don't Expect Much from Intel Compute Stick withJul 16 13:07
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msb__distrowatch poll on systemd:  http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150713#pollJul 16 14:23
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msb__The poll seems closed to me, but maybe that's because I already voted and it installed a cookie.Jul 16 14:24
msb__MinceR: Tell all your friends!  http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150713#pollJul 16 14:25
MinceRthe people i know who care already knew about itJul 16 14:26
oiaohmThe split is what I expected.Jul 16 14:41
oiaohmLike it or not a percentage like systemdJul 16 14:41
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cubexyzyou should be able to use the init system you wantJul 16 15:42
cubexyzit should be interchangeable, just like the shell: bash, csh, ksh, etcJul 16 15:42
cubexyz43% avoid systemd and 11% who are using it dislike it, so the majority actually doesn't like itJul 16 15:44
cubexyzand you got 10% of fence sittersJul 16 15:44
cubexyzwell, one good thing about all this is that people are going to become more knowledgeable about init systemsJul 16 15:46
oiaohmReally the fact people have been ingorning the init systems defects has been a major problem.Jul 16 15:57
oiaohmSo if systemd ends up replaced but it causes people to serousally look at the problem its been a good thing.Jul 16 15:57
cubexyzsureJul 16 15:58
oiaohmCompared to some of the older servyes more uses are willing to use it now.Jul 16 15:58
oiaohmQuestion is how many in the avoid systemd are just hate it because its new.Jul 16 15:59
oiaohmOn my segmented partition system systemd now at long last boots without tweaking.Jul 16 16:00
msb__And how many in the like/tolerate groups will end up hating it when they find out how and how much it's damaging Linux.Jul 16 16:01
oiaohmmsb__: you have to remember I hate systemd more when it first came out and it was single partition or nothing.Jul 16 16:02
cubexyzin antix: apt-get remove systemdJul 16 16:03
oiaohmNow it handles / /usr /var ..... all broken into independant partitions.Jul 16 16:03
oiaohmWorse a evil hack forwarding a section of /var to /homeJul 16 16:03
cubexyzso the init system actually was easily changed in that caseJul 16 16:03
oiaohmYes I design the test bed system as a breakerJul 16 16:03
msb__oiaohm: you're only one person.  People are gradually finding out how systemd violates imporant engineering principles.Jul 16 16:03
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cubexyzintel boot guard may be a bigger problemJul 16 16:04
msb__Both are major attempts to sabotage free software.Jul 16 16:04
msb__Also kde4/5.Jul 16 16:05
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oiaohmmsb__: You have to remember sysvinit also broke important engineering principles.Jul 16 16:05
oiaohmNever design something you cannot stop.Jul 16 16:05
msb__The murders for profit and power of millions of people should convince us that there is real, powerful, _evil_ going on in the world.Jul 16 16:06
oiaohmmsb__: so yes systemd might break things but existing inits were already breaking a lot.Jul 16 16:06
oiaohmI still remember early on when systemd developers said they would not support segmented systems at all.Jul 16 16:07
oiaohmSo what systemd is has evolved.Jul 16 16:07
msb__Most people have never had a problem  with sysvinit.  But systemd already violates the principles of human-readable datafiles, avoidance of interdependence, avoidance of mission creep, etc.-- from the beginning!Jul 16 16:09
cubexyzI've seen quasijarus with good uptimeJul 16 16:09
cubexyzso microvax with sysvinit, over 200 daysJul 16 16:09
cubexyzand I'm sure others have run it longer than thatJul 16 16:09
msb__The only times my system goes down is when firefox depletes some X resource, or a power failure.Jul 16 16:11
cubexyzI've seen X run for over a yearJul 16 16:11
oiaohmcubexyz: what about the ones that did not get good uptimes.Jul 16 16:11
oiaohmIts very easy to have rose colored glasses with this problem.Jul 16 16:12
cubexyzoiaohm, sure hardware problems are always possibleJul 16 16:12
oiaohmcubexyz: No I mean software problems.Jul 16 16:12
msb__I think firefox has stopped doing it (it never crashed the kernel, only X and the DE).  So now it's only powerfailures, which are about 5 months apart.Jul 16 16:12
oiaohmWhere services have crashed and sysvinit fails restarting them.Jul 16 16:12
oiaohmLike important services like the ssh for remote access to control it.Jul 16 16:12
cubexyzi'm sshing to fc1 right nowJul 16 16:13
cubexyzcurrently at 250 daysJul 16 16:13
cubexyzfc1 has..... sysvinit :)Jul 16 16:13
oiaohmIf ssh server gets hit and goes down.Jul 16 16:13
oiaohmsysvinit will be unable to restarted it some cases.Jul 16 16:13
cubexyzI've been logged in 24/7 for over 8 monthsJul 16 16:14
cubexyzplus you can imagine how long I've ran fc1Jul 16 16:14
oiaohmHas your computer been exposed to internet with hostile attacks.Jul 16 16:14
cubexyzyesJul 16 16:14
cubexyzsince 2004Jul 16 16:14
cubexyzthat's a pretty good field test :)Jul 16 16:14
oiaohmWere you lucking to avoid all the ssh bugs that crashed servers since then so locking you out.Jul 16 16:15
oiaohmservicesJul 16 16:15
oiaohmThis is the problem sysvinit and hacks to keep services up and runnign have not been working correctly.Jul 16 16:15
oiaohmopenrc should have been done years ago.Jul 16 16:16
oiaohmDo be correct decades ago.Jul 16 16:16
oiaohmDo/ToJul 16 16:16
oiaohmClaiming it works for me there is no problem does not really cut it.Jul 16 16:16
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msb__I would rather have the computer crash once or twice a year and have to reboot it, than have the entire OS and many of the apps contaminated and churned by something as ugly and evil as systemd.Jul 16 16:17
oiaohmmsb__: have you looked at openrcJul 16 16:18
msb__don't need toJul 16 16:18
cubexyzoiaohm, the failures I have experienced in the last 10 years were all logged and mostly due to hardware failingJul 16 16:18
cubexyzwart wall failure on router was oneJul 16 16:18
cubexyzwart wall failure on DSL modemJul 16 16:19
cubexyzthe DSL service itself failed due to DSLAM problemJul 16 16:19
oiaohmcubexyz: N + 1 server setups done correctly the most common nasty failure is not hardware but management software being bricked.Jul 16 16:19
msb__cubexyz: do you mean "wall wart" or do you have an entire wall full of warts?Jul 16 16:20
cubexyzhaha, oopsJul 16 16:20
cubexyzwall wart :)Jul 16 16:20
cubexyzoiaohm, I think if X was to fail and I was using konsole + ssh that ssh would also failJul 16 16:21
oiaohmcubexyz: hosted servers are not running X in most cases.Jul 16 16:21
cubexyzbut sshd failing on the server? I haven't seen that Jul 16 16:22
oiaohmI have so these days I have more than 1 way in.Jul 16 16:22
msb__BTW, X was being crashed by Firefox because I have about 500 tabs open in it.Jul 16 16:22
oiaohmmsb__: I have a very simple issue with sysvinit.   Completely how does sysvinit tell if a service is still running.Jul 16 16:23
oiaohmYes it created a PID file.Jul 16 16:23
oiaohmOne problem PID numbers in modern Linux systems get recycled.Jul 16 16:23
oiaohmVery old unix they were unique once used numbers.Jul 16 16:24
msb__But I think since the last update or two FF only loads tabs that are visible, so it's a lot more stable.Jul 16 16:24
oiaohmmsb__: simple reality sysvinit is not Linux kernel compadible.Jul 16 16:25
oiaohmopenrc is atleast Linux kernel compadible.Jul 16 16:25
cubexyzthere's /var/run/sshd.pid and /var/lock/subsys/sshdJul 16 16:25
cubexyzat least on fc1 Jul 16 16:25
oiaohm /var/lock/subsys/sshd may stay in place even if the service is dead.Jul 16 16:25
cubexyzif sshd dies then the sysadmin should fix itJul 16 16:26
oiaohmcubexyz: what if sshd is the sysadmin way in.Jul 16 16:26
cubexyzok, then time to take a trip :)Jul 16 16:26
oiaohmNot exactly.Jul 16 16:27
oiaohmIf you can put proper monitoring and proper restart ablity on sshd then sysadmin would not need to travel right cubexyzJul 16 16:27
cubexyzor as we talked about before, use another method to get inJul 16 16:27
oiaohmagain each of those methods need to be validated.Jul 16 16:27
oiaohmAnd need to be as strong as possible.Jul 16 16:28
msb__Poor sysadmin has to get out sometimes or he'll get stuck to his chair.Jul 16 16:28
oiaohmmsb__: Poor sysadmin do get out these days and do maintaince from a android device while away on holidays.Jul 16 16:29
cubexyzif there's some major failure someone has to go to the server to check it anywayJul 16 16:29
cubexyze.g. if the hard drive failsJul 16 16:29
cubexyzthat's just maintainanceJul 16 16:29
cubexyznothing is 100%Jul 16 16:29
oiaohmN+1 setups quite a few harddrives can fail before staff has to go to site to address it.Jul 16 16:29
oiaohmN+1 hardware failure is not hey we need you their in the next 5 min to restore services.Jul 16 16:30
msb__My machine is strictly single user, so maybe these extremely low-probability daemon failures would happen more on other machines.  Jul 16 16:30
oiaohmmsb__: the more machines you are running the more likely one of these deamon failures will happpen to you.Jul 16 16:31
msb__But there are plenty of huge Linux servers using sysvinit, so maybe not.Jul 16 16:31
oiaohmNot exactly msb__Jul 16 16:31
oiaohmGoogle and facebook use something closer to openrcJul 16 16:31
msb__What about google and imdb?Jul 16 16:31
msb__And amazon.Jul 16 16:31
oiaohmamazon is also containers around services.Jul 16 16:32
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/icewm-with-konsole.pngJul 16 16:32
cubexyzsee those coloured tabs at the bottom?Jul 16 16:32
oiaohmJust each of these have been hacking on contianer wrapping desing individuallly msb__Jul 16 16:32
cubexyzall different computers, logged in via sshJul 16 16:32
cubexyzso I'm always using ssh and sshdJul 16 16:32
oiaohmcubexyz: tell me when that gets to 8 deepJul 16 16:33
oiaohmcubexyz: that is in fact how many my computer can be connected to at one time.Jul 16 16:33
oiaohmFull across and requiring 8 windows.Jul 16 16:34
cubexyzok, but you're probably using more than one server?Jul 16 16:34
cubexyzmore than one sshd server Jul 16 16:34
oiaohmManging a processing clusterJul 16 16:35
oiaohmIf you count it by cases on floor its 1 server.Jul 16 16:35
oiaohmBut its like 8000 individual machines inside.Jul 16 16:35
msb__oiaohm: so can you change "sysvinit" into just a link to openrc and have the thing work?Jul 16 16:36
oiaohmopenrc wraps cgroups around services so yes now you can restart services dependably when they decide to fail 10 to 15 min functionality tests.Jul 16 16:37
msb__Or just change the executable if links aren't working that early?Jul 16 16:37
oiaohmmsb__: basically openrc or systemd will solve my worst problem.Jul 16 16:38
oiaohmOf services not restarting.Jul 16 16:38
msb__Not what I asked.  Is openrc a 100% dropin replacement for sysvinit?Jul 16 16:38
oiaohmThere are some minor differences at times.Jul 16 16:38
oiaohmdue to services being container wrapped.Jul 16 16:38
cubexyzwhat does Minix use these days?Jul 16 16:39
cubexyzha, probably no one is using itJul 16 16:39
oiaohmmsb__: openrc is very close to sysvinit.   Basically it as close as you can get to sysvinit under Linux and have proper process tracking so you can restart services.Jul 16 16:40
msb__This is all a matter of probabilities.  Somebody could say to me, "Your house is not compatible with human life because it could get hit by a meteor.  You need to live in a concrete bunker with walls 3 feet thick."Jul 16 16:42
oiaohmIf you want a house example.   sysvinit is a house without a fuseboxJul 16 16:43
oiaohmand the people inside are using electricity.Jul 16 16:43
msb__I am talking quantitatively about probabilities.Jul 16 16:44
oiaohmmsb__: people around the world live in houses with electricity without a fusebox and live remember.Jul 16 16:44
oiaohmSo its not a 100 percent death risk.Jul 16 16:44
cubexyzI suppose if sshd got overloaded somehow it would have to be restartedJul 16 16:45
msb__I guess the chance of a daemon croaking is greater than the chance of a meteor hit, but I have tripped a breaker several times in the last 15 years (by accidently running the air conditioner and the microwave at the same time).Jul 16 16:45
oiaohmmsb__: think if you did not have a breaker.Jul 16 16:46
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oiaohmYou could be one of those unlucky ones in countries without proper electrical that end up dead msb__Jul 16 16:46
cubexyzcouldn't you have a monitor program watching sshd?Jul 16 16:46
msb__But my Linux has only failed from hardware/powerloss, very old kmail, firefox.Jul 16 16:46
cubexyzthen if sshd truly failed, the sshd monitor could re-activate itJul 16 16:47
oiaohmcubexyz: monitor program would have to start before sshd to be able track it processes to be able kill it all.Jul 16 16:47
oiaohmcubexyz: then you have the problem what happens if the monitor program croaks it.Jul 16 16:47
oiaohmcubexyz: ie why placing in a cgroup is such a good idea.Jul 16 16:47
cubexyzoiaohm, then the sysadmin has to fix it :)Jul 16 16:47
cubexyzyou can't say systemd is going to make sshd always workJul 16 16:48
oiaohmUnder systemd if you put a test program in timer/cron jobs it can restart.Jul 16 16:48
msb__I don't even want the added complication of cgroups on my system to fix a problem I haven't had in FIFTEEN YEARS.Jul 16 16:49
oiaohmsysvinit big problem is the failure to be able to 100 percent of the time restart services.Jul 16 16:49
oiaohmmsb__: same arguement as what happens in countries without fuse boxes.Jul 16 16:49
oiaohmmsb__: some of those say 60 years but it the same arguement.Jul 16 16:50
msb__No, then your house can burn down.  I only have to reboot my computer.Jul 16 16:50
oiaohmmsb__: exactly what is the computer controlling.Jul 16 16:50
cubexyzok, how about this idea...Jul 16 16:50
cubexyzyou have two servers, beside each otherJul 16 16:51
msb__So quantitatively and statistically by expectation, it is NOT the same argument.Jul 16 16:51
oiaohmmsb__: the stats of failure is about the same.Jul 16 16:51
cubexyzone server is connected to the other by parallel port, serial port, usb port whateverJul 16 16:51
cubexyzthen you can sshd into the 2nd server and use the serial terminal to fix the first serverJul 16 16:51
oiaohmmsb__: the death rate from not having a fuse box compared to having a fuse box is a 1 in 2 million difference.Jul 16 16:51
cubexyzso multiple ways to get inJul 16 16:51
msb__oiaohm: Wrong.  The death rate from having to reboot my computer is ZERO.Jul 16 16:52
oiaohmmsb__: not everyone using electricity will be taking any risks with it.Jul 16 16:52
oiaohmSo there death rate risk might also be zero.Jul 16 16:52
oiaohmthis is why your arguement does not really hold ground.Jul 16 16:53
oiaohmcubexyz: Yes I have uses serial port control solutions in the past to get around some of these problems.   But agian that is depending on the sgetty to be up correctly.Jul 16 16:54
oiaohmcubexyz: this is classic murphy if you are not checking it the bugger will fail on you sometimes in combination.Jul 16 16:54
msb__My argument is that I have never had a daemon failure in 15 years of 24/7 computer operation.  So I have no need to complicate my system to prevent it.Jul 16 16:54
oiaohmmsb__: that is the same arguement as those who have used electrictity for 60 + years without issue without a fuse box.Jul 16 16:55
msb__No, then your house can burn down.  I only have to reboot my computer.Jul 16 16:55
oiaohmmsb__: there are other options to using cgroups to copy what BSD does for example but that requires a kernel mode.Jul 16 16:55
oiaohmkernel mode alteration.Jul 16 16:56
oiaohmmsb__: exactly how do you think not having a fuse box can allow you house to burn down.Jul 16 16:56
oiaohmmsb__: ever heard of fusable links.Jul 16 16:56
oiaohmCalled using small enough wire that it fails safely first.Jul 16 16:57
msb__My argument is that I have never had a daemon failure in 15 years of 24/7 computer operation.  So I have no need to complicate my system to prevent it.Jul 16 16:58
oiaohmOf course that does not mean people without a manated fuse box will do that stuff correctly.Jul 16 16:58
msb__Fuses have nothing to do with it.Jul 16 16:58
oiaohmmsb__: are you the only use of the Linux Distrobution.   The answer is no.Jul 16 16:58
oiaohmIn most cases.Jul 16 16:58
msb__What?Jul 16 16:58
oiaohmA Linux Distrobution has to service a comunity this means considering all the usage cases of the comunity.Jul 16 16:59
oiaohmSame way houses have fuse boxes.Jul 16 16:59
oiaohmSo somethings have to be done for the greater good even if not everyone in the comunity truly requires it.Jul 16 17:00
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oiaohmmsb__: basically sysvinit is good enough is not going to cut it with any distrobution and never can.Jul 16 17:01
msb__For decades it already has.Jul 16 17:01
oiaohmReally no it has not.   Broken crap like restartd to assist sysvinit would have never been coded if it worked.Jul 16 17:02
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oiaohmThere is a long list of hacks to attempt to make sysvinit work msb__ that have all failed to achive it.Jul 16 17:03
oiaohmmsb__: http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html is a classic.Jul 16 17:03
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oiaohmLets run all our services under deamontools lets avoid using sysvinit script because they don't work basically.Jul 16 17:04
oiaohmSo now you have a system running sysvinit and deamontools.  Great so what one started the service that is now not working.Jul 16 17:04
oiaohmI don't think I am asking for too much to have a init system that can start and track services so I don't have to stick third party crap on top of it all the time.Jul 16 17:06
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msb__oiaohm: You are confusing "does not work" with "works fine for fifteen years"Jul 16 17:07
oiaohmmsb__: No I am notJul 16 17:07
msb__You can ask for and have whatever you want.  What I want is simplicity.Jul 16 17:07
oiaohmIn the last 15 years of my usage it has broken on me.Jul 16 17:07
oiaohmAnd I am not alone.Jul 16 17:07
msb__Then get something different from what I want.Jul 16 17:08
oiaohmAlso people miss place blame as well.Jul 16 17:08
oiaohmHave you had network-manager issues.Jul 16 17:08
msb__No.Jul 16 17:08
oiaohmI guess you have been lucky enough not to have cups lost with a print job.Jul 16 17:09
oiaohmThere are so many ways services in background can go south and ruin you day.Jul 16 17:10
oiaohmPoor tracking makes it hard to see.Jul 16 17:10
msb__If losing a print job would ruin my day then I would have mental problems.Jul 16 17:11
oiaohmNo that is not losing a print job.Jul 16 17:11
oiaohmThat is running out of tmp space because it gone into a processing loop.Jul 16 17:11
oiaohmSo by your response you have not had that one yet.Jul 16 17:13
msb__So, I'll look at my system or disk monitor program, figure out what ate all the temp space, kill it and delete the temp files.Jul 16 17:13
oiaohmmsb__: not exactly that great when it printer script saying pythonJul 16 17:15
msb__If I can't do that, I'll reboot, and if it won't reboot I'll use a rescue disk.Jul 16 17:15
oiaohmNo reboot in this case fails.Jul 16 17:15
oiaohmwhile cups has the print job it will attempt to process it.Jul 16 17:15
oiaohmSo reboot you will die again.Jul 16 17:15
msb__So I will kill cups.  Thank goodness I don't have an init program that will restart it!Jul 16 17:16
oiaohmmsb__: how will you know it cups.Jul 16 17:17
oiaohmNothing about the process name creating the mess has to say cups.Jul 16 17:17
msb__look at names of latest tmp filesJul 16 17:17
msb__See who they belong to.Jul 16 17:18
oiaohmThis is the problem without tracking debugging the random pricks is hard.Jul 16 17:18
msb__How is my hard prick involved here?Jul 16 17:18
oiaohmNo that is guessing.Jul 16 17:19
oiaohmThere is nothing to say cups it self will have created a temp file.Jul 16 17:19
oiaohmYes starting the program creating the temp file to process the file for printing.Jul 16 17:20
oiaohmBut not in fact having to do anything itself.Jul 16 17:20
oiaohmThis is why you need tracking.Jul 16 17:20
oiaohmOf course the pain could be coming from mysql, postesql.... and the list goes on.Jul 16 17:20
oiaohmAs these provide means to reach out and run custom applications.Jul 16 17:21
msb__I'm an engineer.  I like troubleshooting.Jul 16 17:21
oiaohmProblem is rebooting in every case that is a event happening is that you have not fixed the event from happening again.Jul 16 17:22
msb__I would just kill the latest huge file in /tmp.Jul 16 17:22
msb__Yeah, but it would take long enoug to fill up GBs of disk that I could see who was doing it.Jul 16 17:23
msb__"top" would show who is using cpuJul 16 17:24
oiaohmYou are missing it.Jul 16 17:24
oiaohmFinding who is doing it is not the problem.Jul 16 17:24
oiaohmIt finding who gave the order todo it is the problem.Jul 16 17:25
msb__Sure it is.  Then I can kill it.  Make it unexecutable if I have to.Jul 16 17:25
oiaohmUntil you get the one that gave the order todo it the problem will keep on happening.Jul 16 17:25
msb__Yesterday I figured out why procmail was rejecting some valid list mail.  It was subtle.  Jul 16 17:26
msb__Not if the one eating the space is unexecutable.Jul 16 17:26
oiaohmBut you knew you were looking a procmail right.Jul 16 17:26
oiaohmmsb__: you missed I said the process was reporting as like python or bash.Jul 16 17:27
oiaohmSo something generic that if you set it unexecutable you have broken a hell load.Jul 16 17:27
msb__Python I can do without for a while.  Bash, I'd have to be clever.Jul 16 17:28
oiaohmOf course the worst part about Linux process table is the reported command line can be a complete lieJul 16 17:28
oiaohmIts not that I don't have enginering background to fall back on msb__Jul 16 17:29
msb__I have 133 bashes running.  So I could see which one is using the most cycles and look at its PPID.Jul 16 17:30
oiaohmmsb__: I would prefer not to have to be clever and do like I do under bsd look at the tty that a service cannot change that has been assigned and locate it or look at the cgroup and locate it.Jul 16 17:30
oiaohmPPID in Linux process table can be broken loss.Jul 16 17:30
msb__I am nearly 70 years old and have been three kinds of engineer.  I _like_ being clever.  Even having to be clever.Jul 16 17:31
oiaohmSo looking at the PPID does not have to lead you back to parrent.Jul 16 17:31
msb__It's gonna lead somewhere.Jul 16 17:31
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msb__lsof can be helpful too.Jul 16 17:31
oiaohmManaging servers lots of you should learn attempting to be too clever is ways to get it burt.  KISS idea comes first.Jul 16 17:34
oiaohmmsb__: ps -o cgroup <pid> and under openrc and systemd this tells you straight way what service/user started it.Jul 16 17:35
oiaohmmsb__: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/programming-9/how-to-make-ppid-of-a-process-as-init-without-killing-its-parent-267301/Jul 16 17:38
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oiaohmYes msb__  does not take much of a screw up to end up with your problem script reporting a PPID of 1 not what in fact started everything.Jul 16 17:39
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MinceRafaik the "find out whether the service has started successfully" problem is not as solved as redcrap would have you believeJul 16 17:45
MinceR(neither is automatically restarting a failed service always a good idea)Jul 16 17:45
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msb__The chance of the govt murdering me because of my website (cosmicpenguin.com) is probably greater than the chance of my having these service problems, but if I do I'll remember your advice.Jul 16 17:47
msb__Oops, oiaohm has buggered off.Jul 16 17:47
MinceR:)Jul 16 17:47
msb__MinceR: Damn right.  If I kill something I want it to stay dead until and unless I manually restart it.Jul 16 17:49
MinceR"you keep what you kill."Jul 16 17:49
MinceRmore importantly, having a service die and restart may well be a component of an exploitJul 16 17:49
MinceRgenerally, if a service does not run reliably, the preferred solution is to fix it, not keep restarting itJul 16 17:50
msb__True and true.Jul 16 17:50
MinceRthere are only a few services (like *getty) that normally need restartingJul 16 17:50
cubexyz/sbin/init qJul 16 17:51
MinceR"just restart it" does fit well into the redhat/microsoft mindset, thoughJul 16 17:51
MinceR"just reboot", "just reinstall"Jul 16 17:51
cubexyzI still run pre-sshd systemsJul 16 17:51
cubexyzresource exhaustion is a bigger problem then sshd not restartingJul 16 17:52
cubexyzyou need a sentient being watching stuffJul 16 17:52
schestowitz[17:47] <msb__> Oops, oiaohm has buggered off.Jul 16 17:53
schestowitzhe often does so without prior warningJul 16 17:53
schestowitzhis styleJul 16 17:53
cubexyzthat's OK :)Jul 16 17:53
MinceRi can sort of understand itJul 16 17:53
msb__Where is he located?Jul 16 17:53
schestowitzAbout half the IRC logs of #techrights are (these days) about systemd - like it or hate it, systemd is without doubt controversialJul 16 17:53
MinceRwhen you've gotta go, you've gotta go :)Jul 16 17:53
cubexyzaustralia I thinkJul 16 17:53
MinceRi think so tooJul 16 17:53
schestowitzI think it's an important fork in the roadJul 16 17:53
schestowitzDebian surrendered alreadyJul 16 17:53
MinceRi hope it results in cleaning up gnu/linuxJul 16 17:53
cubexyzno one thinks like I do, so I understandJul 16 17:53
cubexyzdifferent folks have different opinionsJul 16 17:54
MinceRhaving the windows fanboys move to systemd/systemd-kernelJul 16 17:54
schestowitzI don't know it well enough to decideJul 16 17:54
MinceRand removing the poetteringware from gnu/linuxJul 16 17:54
schestowitzI have it running on one of my systemsJul 16 17:54
schestowitzand it's a friggin' snailJul 16 17:54
schestowitznot sure if relates to systemdJul 16 17:54
cubexyzto me Linux is just part of a continuum of operating systemsJul 16 17:54
schestowitzmore of a plasma5 issue, I choose to believe...Jul 16 17:54
schestowitzI kill and restart plasma and kwin like 5 times a dayJul 16 17:54
cubexyzok, that sounds badJul 16 17:55
msb__Devuan seems to be going strong, and since that poll says about 50% of Linux users don't like or want systemd, I think we're gonna be ok.Jul 16 17:55
cubexyzLinux is developer drivenJul 16 17:55
cubexyzmostlyJul 16 17:56
XRevan86MinceR: If a server fails, you normally want it to autorestart.Jul 16 17:56
XRevan86Restarting in systemd is configurable per-service.Jul 16 17:56
cubexyzI thought my idea of a serial login was goodJul 16 17:57
msb__schestowitz: Did you see the systemd poll?   http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150713#pollJul 16 17:57
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MinceRXRevan86: i think the default (at least in their mind) is to restart all the thingsJul 16 17:57
cubexyzcoreboot logs stuff via the serial port on startup, before the OS even loadsJul 16 17:57
MinceRi'm not sure if that's necessarily a good ideaJul 16 17:57
MinceRespecially without limitJul 16 17:57
XRevan86MinceR: It's not.Jul 16 17:57
MinceRi wonder if they implement a configurable counter and limit (and time limit)Jul 16 17:58
XRevan86MinceR: They did.Jul 16 17:58
cubexyzrestart 100 times then give up :)Jul 16 17:58
MinceRthat's good, thenJul 16 17:58
msb__Except if it _is_ and exploit, you've run it 100 times.Jul 16 17:59
msb__and -> anJul 16 17:59
MinceRand of course it would be probably preferable to implement the restart functionality separatelyJul 16 17:59
MinceRor at least outside pid1Jul 16 17:59
cubexyzMinix is supposedly highly fault-tolerantJul 16 18:01
cubexyz6000 lines of kernel code... much smaller than FreeBSD or LinuxJul 16 18:02
cubexyzit has a "reincarnation server" that restarts crashes driversJul 16 18:03
cubexyzif a driver goes into an infinite loop the kernel will stop itJul 16 18:03
msb__OT: Just want to mention again the new TV series "Zoo" about animals getting suddenly more intelligent and attacking humans, in order to stop us from wrecking the planet.  3 episodes so far.Jul 16 18:07
MinceRiirc minix1 is not multiserver and/or has drivers in the kernelJul 16 18:11
MinceRand minix3 might be bigger than thatJul 16 18:11
cubexyz6,000 lines in Minix3Jul 16 18:12
MinceRicJul 16 18:12
cubexyzmost server folks I've talked to are running Linux or FreeBSDJul 16 18:14
cubexyzsome are using OpenBSDJul 16 18:15
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cubexyzI remember once that openbsd did something odd with sshdJul 16 18:59
cubexyzit locked up, no access via keyboard or sshJul 16 18:59
cubexyzonly pings worked Jul 16 18:59
cubexyzI might still have that log where I talked about exactly what happend with an expertJul 16 19:01
cubexyzI've logged years of coreboot discussionsJul 16 19:03
cubexyzit's probably in there somewhereJul 16 19:03
MinceRhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/2948092/security/hacking-teams-malware-uses-uefi-rootkit-to-survive-os-reinstalls.htmlJul 16 19:06
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XRevan86MinceR: You know this will be a pro-SecureBoot argument, right?Jul 16 19:08
MinceReverything will be thatJul 16 19:08
MinceRthough this might be more relevant to intel boot guardJul 16 19:08
cubexyzsocketed bios, with backed up imagesJul 16 19:09
cubexyzI've thought about that a lotJul 16 19:09
MinceRwe need a completely free computer (free hardware, free software, free storage devices)Jul 16 19:10
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cubexyzthe damned irc logs don't log the year :-/Jul 16 19:11
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cubexyzwell one good thing, if any future computer archeologist wants to know about coreboot, I've got it covered :)Jul 16 19:13
cubexyzcompletely forgot I was still loggingJul 16 19:13
cubexyzthe years kept passin' but the server keeps loggin'Jul 16 19:15
cubexyzPress F1 to continueJul 16 19:16
cubexyzok... the explanation I got about openbsd was:Jul 16 19:18
cubexyz"ssh getting stuck is usually an indication that the kernel is very bruised from an OOPS or driver crash"Jul 16 19:19
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cubexyzit's possible Minix3.3 is actually the best OS maybe, but I'll have to test it and see how it doesJul 16 19:39
cubexyzsome of the ideas it has seem very goodJul 16 19:39
MinceRgood luckJul 16 19:40
cubexyz:)Jul 16 19:40
cubexyzit's minimal enough for qemu I thinkJul 16 19:42
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/_sinisterBen/status/621727867743801344Jul 16 19:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@_sinisterBen: @ross_lumbus @stonemirror I don't think Felicia would like StoneMirror.... http://t.co/JAjOKqYFWuJul 16 19:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@_sinisterBen: @MyKeyMoonShine @stonemirror @HalfTangible This link usually helps: http://t.co/JAjOKqYFWuJul 16 19:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@_sinisterBen: @stonemirror @titration4eva @area_matter @alasdairfraser8 You're a know harasser. http://t.co/JAjOKqYFWuJul 16 19:46
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ross_lumbus/status/621734651007086593Jul 16 19:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ross_lumbus: @_sinisterBen @stonemirror @felicityday I am wondering why Stoney would try to butter up Felicity for http://t.co/KpGSwL0cbUJul 16 19:47
schestowitzLefty having problems LOLJul 16 19:47
cubexyzthe man sounds illJul 16 19:48
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cubebsdhey hey new OS dudesJul 16 19:50
cubebsdI've time travelled from the year 1997Jul 16 19:51
cubebsdirc from quasijarus on a new buildJul 16 19:51
MinceR6:)Jul 16 19:52
MinceRs/6//Jul 16 19:52
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msb__" <MinceR> we need a completely free computer (free hardware, free software, free storage devices)"Jul 16 20:10
msb__MinceR: That would be very difficult.Jul 16 20:11
msb__We would be back at the level of the first IBM PC.Jul 16 20:12
cubexyznot reallyJul 16 20:12
cubexyzwe have the engineering diagrams of a lot of the DEC computersJul 16 20:13
msb__The 8088 CPU, 1MB of RAM if we were lucky, and maybe a 15MB hard diskJul 16 20:13
cubexyzI think we can do a bit better than the IBM PCJul 16 20:13
cubexyzMicrovax can handle 16 megs and run 4.3BSDJul 16 20:13
msb__It would be very difficult to make a microvax chip.Jul 16 20:14
msb__wafer-fab equipment is extremely  precise.Jul 16 20:15
cubexyzwell sure, it would be pretty hard to make any microprocessorJul 16 20:15
msb__Likewise for hard drives.Jul 16 20:15
msb__We have to keep using the parts made by increasingly fascist capitalism, but turn them to our own usage.Jul 16 20:16
msb__Work around things like UEFI and secure-boot.Jul 16 20:16
msb__At least we can control the software.Jul 16 20:16
cubexyzmsb__, discrete transistors, but it would still be hardJul 16 20:17
MinceRmsb__: we would have computers we could trustJul 16 20:17
MinceRwithout all this nasty fractal of black boxes full of back doorsJul 16 20:17
cubexyzmsb__, I was thinking more along the lines of salvaging a microvax, rather than recreating oneJul 16 20:18
cubexyzit's got memory, it's got (pretty big) hard drive, it's well understoodJul 16 20:18
cubexyzit's still VLSI tech of courseJul 16 20:18
msb__But they would be so expensive and require so much labor with discrete transistors that very few people could afford them.Jul 16 20:18
MinceRrapid prototyping and additive manufacturing methods may yet help with thatJul 16 20:19
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cubexyzsince people are junking old computers, why not save some?Jul 16 20:20
cubexyzmuch easier than recreationJul 16 20:20
msb__"additive manufacturing methods" ?Jul 16 20:20
MinceRjust because a computer is old doesn't mean it's free of backdoorsJul 16 20:20
MinceRmsb__: 3d printing and stuff like thatJul 16 20:20
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cubexyzwell if you go back far enough, it won't have a backdoor :)Jul 16 20:21
MinceRhow will i know?Jul 16 20:21
cubexyzwe have commented bios for most of the DEC boxesJul 16 20:22
cubexyz4.3BSD and any old unix you can build from sourceJul 16 20:22
cubexyzyou even have the engineering diagramsJul 16 20:23
msb__That's probably accurate to 1/10 mm. or so.  VLSI of 2008 used 65nm.Jul 16 20:24
msb__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very-large-scale_integrationJul 16 20:24
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cubexyzearly microvax was 1987 eraJul 16 20:25
msb__Why are you worried about backdoors?Jul 16 20:26
cubexyzit's not 65nm, but I can't recall what they used back thenJul 16 20:26
msb__If the stormtroopers dislike you, they'll just smash in your door and shoot you.Jul 16 20:27
MinceRthe stormtroopers will find out why to dislike you by monitoring you through the backdoorJul 16 20:27
cubexyzmore like 180 nmJul 16 20:27
MinceRand they'll find you through the backdoorJul 16 20:27
msb__What we need is to get enough people sufficiently conscious to have a stable and equitable society.Jul 16 20:28
MinceRthat sounds futileJul 16 20:28
cubexyzsorry, actually I think early microvax was older than 180 nmJul 16 20:28
MinceRalso, what will we do until then?Jul 16 20:28
cubexyzmore like 800 nm for 1987Jul 16 20:29
msb__It may be, in which case humanity will perish like all the other intelligent species that should exist by the Drake Equation.Jul 16 20:29
cubexyzand you can go back earlier, I was just thinking you'd want ethernet :)Jul 16 20:29
MinceRor they do but they're hiding from the nastiest onesJul 16 20:30
cubexyzeven early Pentium used 800 nmJul 16 20:30
MinceRthe sort of thing humans would develop into if they didn't exterminate themselves firstJul 16 20:30
msb__Maybe.Jul 16 20:30
msb__Problem is, psychopathy is a very simple and obvious strategy for individual survival.Jul 16 20:30
msb__It will occur in every species that evolves intelligence.Jul 16 20:31
MinceRi don't see how such a mental disorder would be inevitableJul 16 20:31
msb__Because it is simple and effective. Jul 16 20:32
cubexyzso when we talk about VLSI we are talking everything from 1984 until nowJul 16 20:32
cubexyzthat's quite a large spectrumJul 16 20:32
msb__Destroy everyone who might want anything that you want.Jul 16 20:32
cubexyzmsb__, except civilization also requires co-operationJul 16 20:33
msb__Sharks, black-widow spiders.Jul 16 20:33
MinceRexcept society detects and handles most people with ASPDJul 16 20:33
cubexyzno one single person could have made a modern computerJul 16 20:33
msb__cubexyz: yes, but cooperation is not something that genetic evolution selects for.Jul 16 20:34
msb__Unless psychopaths are not permitted to reproduce.Jul 16 20:34
cubexyzwe're not just the produces of genetics, we learn from the previous generations due to our ability to record informationJul 16 20:35
cubexyzs/produces/products/Jul 16 20:35
MinceRevolution appears to have already selected for cooperationJul 16 20:35
msb__but psychopaths, at least some of them, are genetic.Jul 16 20:35
msb__And the positions of power in the govt, corporations, and media are full of them.Jul 16 20:36
MinceRthose are still a small minority of all peopleJul 16 20:37
msb__They are very good at taking power, and very good at appearing to be human.Jul 16 20:37
MinceRmost people don't have powerJul 16 20:37
cubexyzold microvax: VLSI, NMOS, 5 mhz, 200 ns cycle timeJul 16 20:37
cubexyz125,00 transistorsJul 16 20:37
MinceRfrom The Mask of Sanity, it seems to me that most psychopath would not be able to gain powerJul 16 20:37
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mask_of_SanityJul 16 20:37
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msb__MinceR: yes, but positions of power are full of psychopathsJul 16 20:38
cubexyzwell you get rid of the old psychos since everyone diesJul 16 20:38
cubexyzthen you get new psychos :)Jul 16 20:38
msb__But new ones are born.Jul 16 20:38
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cubexyzI still marvel at VLSI technologyJul 16 20:39
msb__The "people" in the US govt that ordered the murders of 2,000,000+ people in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya, and the "peopleJul 16 20:39
msb__who carried out the orders were/are psychopaths.Jul 16 20:40
msb__People in the US honor those in the military, when actually the latter are no better than Nazi soldiers.Jul 16 20:41
msb__Most people are living in The Matrix -- a false reality.Jul 16 20:42
msb__Waking people up to that has to be our highest priority.Jul 16 20:42
MinceRseems to be an impossible missionJul 16 20:43
msb__Then the human race will die.Jul 16 20:43
MinceRthe most successful religious memes prevent other memes from taking their placeJul 16 20:43
MinceRindeed it willJul 16 20:43
msb__In the US in the 1960s, a new culture began to form, largely due to cannabis, which helped people deprogram themselves.Jul 16 20:44
msb__Many of us knew this at the time.Jul 16 20:45
cubexyzone doesn't really need to deprogram themselves, just think independentlyJul 16 20:45
cubexyzunless there part of some cultJul 16 20:45
cubexyzs/there/their/Jul 16 20:45
msb__The monsters knew it, which is why they made cannabis as illegal as murder.Jul 16 20:45
MinceRso not as illegal as copyright infringement? :>Jul 16 20:46
msb__People do need to be deprogrammed -- from patriotism, predatory capitalism, trusting the govt and corporate media, etc.Jul 16 20:47
MinceRi suspect that most people are incapable of critical thinking and even marijuana won't necessarily enable them to do soJul 16 20:47
msb__And from JCI religion,Jul 16 20:47
MinceRmaybe they can be taught to do so, maybe notJul 16 20:47
msb__Critical thinking can be taught and learned.Jul 16 20:47
cubexyzsure even a child starts to question Santa Claus after a certain ageJul 16 20:47
msb__It isn't complicated.Jul 16 20:47
MinceRalso, afaik hinduism isn't much better either -- it seems to have a nasty caste system built into itJul 16 20:48
MinceRyes, but it may require a certain level of mental capability, which may not be common enoughJul 16 20:48
MinceRcubexyz: many children don't even question YHWH. not even until they die of old age.Jul 16 20:48
__martin__shietJul 16 20:50
__martin__https://i.imgur.com/q5ByzMo.pngJul 16 20:50
cubexyzsorry to digress for a moment, but this picture is interesting:Jul 16 20:50
__martin__#adobecrapware #flashcrash #softwarefreedomJul 16 20:50
cubexyzhttp://regmedia.co.uk/2011/11/14/4004_die_large.jpgJul 16 20:50
__martin__cubexyz: Jul 16 20:51
__martin__amazingJul 16 20:51
msb__http://pastebin.com/f1Uau5BhJul 16 20:51
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msb__My formulation.Jul 16 20:51
cubexyz10-micron process back thenJul 16 20:52
cubexyzmaybe someday we'll have do-it-yourself CPUsJul 16 20:52
MinceRin the current age, step 4 is impossible.Jul 16 20:52
MinceRinformation is generated and made accessible at a greater rate than any simple human could process it.Jul 16 20:53
MinceRs/simp/sing/Jul 16 20:53
cubexyzgoing back to SSI is difficult too Jul 16 20:54
cubexyzactually very difficultJul 16 20:54
msb__MinceR: For any particular topic, there are only a small number -- max 6 -- of differing formulations.  It suffices to read an example or two of each of them.Jul 16 20:58
msb__MinceR: That suffices for step 4.Jul 16 20:59
msb__A fairly high level of mental capability is required to follow professional sports in detail, or cars, or women's fashions, or soap operas.Jul 16 21:01
MinceRwhat if one does not care about "professional sports"?Jul 16 21:02
MinceRor soap operas?Jul 16 21:02
msb__If that mental capability were used for useful critical thinking, it would suffice.Jul 16 21:02
msb__The point is that most people have the capability to follow soap operas or sports.Jul 16 21:03
msb__The rulers program them to do that so that they will not think for themselves and question the 1% vs. 99% inequality.Jul 16 21:04
MinceR:>Jul 16 21:04
msb__With cannabis in common usage in the 1960s, people were widely questioning what the US govt told them about Vietnam.Jul 16 21:05
msb__There followed protests with millions of people, that actually stopped that war.Jul 16 21:06
MinceRbut how do you know those people used cannabis and became able to think critically afterward (as a consequence of that) and not the other way around?Jul 16 21:06
MinceRor even because of a common cause?Jul 16 21:06
msb__The political/psychological/conscious music of bands like the Jefferson Airplane/Starship, CSNY, Fleetwood Mac, etc., also helped wake people up.Jul 16 21:07
msb__MinceR: Because I was there.Jul 16 21:07
msb__I was born in 1945 in Philadelphia.Jul 16 21:08
msb__...a major urban center.Jul 16 21:08
msb__I lived in "hippie" areas.Jul 16 21:08
msb__Everyone smoked cannabis.Jul 16 21:09
msb__Some used LSD, psilocybin mushrooms, or peyote (which was the best, but very hard to get).Jul 16 21:09
msb__Most cultures on Earth use psychedelic plants.Jul 16 21:10
msb__But not JCI cultures.Jul 16 21:10
MinceRthat's still just a constellation of psychedelic substance use and anti-war sentimentJul 16 21:10
MinceRactually, even some JCI cultures doJul 16 21:11
MinceRchristianity even has people drink ethanol at churchJul 16 21:11
msb__We also had "underground newspapers" -- the Internet of the day.Jul 16 21:11
msb__ethanol is not psychedelic.  It is stupefying.  It decreases the ability to think.Jul 16 21:11
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MinceRyes, but it still alters the way the neural system worksJul 16 21:15
__martin__even more lol'd @ winblows chooserJul 16 21:15
__martin__http://static.cdn.ubi.com/0026/Global/Steam/steam-patch-2.pngJul 16 21:15
MinceRi.e. it does something they keep attacking other drugs forJul 16 21:15
DaemonFCWindows Phone is going away.Jul 16 21:16
DaemonFCIt's a zombie platform that just doesn't know it's dead yet.Jul 16 21:16
msb__Mere alteration does not suffice.  Psychedelics, when used properly, help the brain work better.Jul 16 21:17
DaemonFCMicrosoft is pushing Android apps more than it is Windows Phone.Jul 16 21:17
DaemonFCI have several of them on my new Galaxy S6.Jul 16 21:17
DaemonFCThey preloaded Onedrive and OneNote.Jul 16 21:17
MinceRindeedJul 16 21:19
MinceRhttp://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2015/07/where-next-for-microsoft-as-the-mercy-killing-of-lumia-and-windows-phone-will-happen-in-next-year-or.htmlJul 16 21:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Where Next for Microsoft? - As the mercy killing of Lumia and Windows Phone will happen in next year or two, what impacts to Microsoft world domination plans? [ http://ur1.ca/n526v ]Jul 16 21:19
DaemonFCMinceR: I posted a joke on my Facebook wall earlier.Jul 16 21:23
DaemonFC"I see that they still have the iPhone For Life plan, but that does come with the possibility of parole."Jul 16 21:23
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DaemonFCI stayed with Sprint.Jul 16 21:24
DaemonFCIf anyone can believe it, there are carriers with worse coverage than Sprint.Jul 16 21:24
MinceRlolJul 16 21:24
DaemonFCEveryone seems to think Sprint is the pits, but T-Mobile is a lot worse.Jul 16 21:24
DaemonFCTake Sprint's coverage area, and reduce it by about 40% and you get an idea of what T-Mobile has.Jul 16 21:25
DaemonFCSprint isn't so bad unless you're really out in the middle of nowhere.Jul 16 21:26
msb__.Jul 16 21:31
msb__Here is my -- I don't know what to call it -- manifesto?  It won't fit in pastebin.  It needs links.  http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.htmlJul 16 21:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | THE CAUSE AND CURE OF HUMANITY'S PROBLEMS [ http://ur1.ca/n52a6 ]Jul 16 21:32
DaemonFCRemoving some of Sprint's crapware.Jul 16 21:34
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msb__Comments?  Suggestions?Jul 16 21:43
msb__gde33: ?Jul 16 21:43
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MinceRactually, a gene benefitting people related to you would also have an advantage in evolutionJul 16 21:45
MinceRto a slight extent, even one that benefits random members of the same species wouldJul 16 21:45
MinceR(citation: The Selfish Gene)Jul 16 21:46
gde33msb__: I think it is the beginning of your book, each section you have here is the introduction of a chapter.Jul 16 21:48
msb__MinceR: It would.  What counts in Darwinian evolution is how many children the person has, and do they care for them well enough that they have children of their own,Jul 16 21:48
gde33many books are structured that way, if you read the first paragraph you get the general ideaJul 16 21:49
gde33there seem to be 3 kinds, 2 of those want to build a collective and one who does notJul 16 21:49
msb__gde33: Thanks!  But I don't want it to go beyond a pamphlet, actually a Web page with links.Jul 16 21:49
gde33the first of the 2 wants to build a collective together and the second wants to be in bondageJul 16 21:50
gde33like it takes 2 to smJul 16 21:50
msb__sm?Jul 16 21:51
gde33with psychopaths ruling for such a long time the victim is sort of successful in the evolutionary senseJul 16 21:51
gde33SadomasochismJul 16 21:51
gde33the victim is successful like chickens are one of the most successful species on this worldJul 16 21:52
gde33*the willing victimJul 16 21:52
gde33they seem to sabotage the revolution every timeJul 16 21:52
msb__But hopefully that willingness can be deprogrammed.Jul 16 21:52
gde33they just have to be contained like the psychopathsJul 16 21:53
gde33or you end up at the front and most of your batallion runs awayJul 16 21:53
msb__Or just gradually offerred a better life.Jul 16 21:53
gde33it is like: they killed 4 students? so what?Jul 16 21:53
gde33we are suppose to be impressed by that statistic?Jul 16 21:54
gde33the psychopaths killed well over a hundred million in the first and second world warJul 16 21:54
msb__That frightened and discouraged people.  Those students were engaged in a large protest.Jul 16 21:54
gde33and probably a few times that after itJul 16 21:54
gde33yeah, fightened by that? wtf?Jul 16 21:55
gde33like staying indoors because of lightning strikesJul 16 21:55
msb__They were middle-class students, and they thought that protesting the war was a safe thing to do.Jul 16 21:55
msb__Then the govt brought in soldiers and ordered them to murder a few.Jul 16 21:56
MinceRmsb__: so what's up with the current trend of legalizing marijuana?Jul 16 21:57
gde33msb__: with ghandi they just did it again and againJul 16 21:57
gde33until the soldiers killed about a thousand and had enough of itJul 16 21:57
gde33there is an easy solutionJul 16 21:58
gde33you just join that police forceJul 16 21:58
msb__I'm not sure.  It's getting widely known that cannabidiol (CBD) cures some cancers.Jul 16 21:58
gde33become the oppressorJul 16 21:58
msb__gde33: But police have a pyramidal control structure, and psychopaths at the top are still giving the orders.Jul 16 21:59
gde33turn on them when the time is rightJul 16 22:00
msb__That would require a majority of the police to be conscious.Jul 16 22:00
gde33not at all, they are like sheep, if enough of them say no it wont happenJul 16 22:00
msb__Why would they say no?Jul 16 22:01
gde33infiltration is quite simpleJul 16 22:01
msb__I mean, why wouldn't they follow the orders from the top.Jul 16 22:01
gde33if you join the police you would say noJul 16 22:02
gde33there is not one infuential organization in the world that was not successfully infiltrated again and againJul 16 22:02
MinceRlooks like i don't need cannabis -- water here isn't fluoridated :>Jul 16 22:02
msb__MinceR: you need more psychedelic than your pineal gland makes.Jul 16 22:03
gde33my experience was that it makes the indoctrination into something strange and alienJul 16 22:03
msb__gde33: What does?Jul 16 22:04
gde33smoking pot.  I was like.... uhh.... so tell me... why do people need jobs?Jul 16 22:04
gde33I thought we had work to do, cant we focus on that?Jul 16 22:04
gde33why should silly job rethoric take priority over doing the work?Jul 16 22:04
gde33like say: if I shoot protestors I have a job? thats it?Jul 16 22:05
msb__Waking people up is the most important work, but Jul 16 22:05
gde33I make coffee for people who are to lazy to do it themselves? tadaa? a job was created?Jul 16 22:05
msb__gde33: What are you saying?  What's your point?Jul 16 22:06
gde33that it makes you question everythingJul 16 22:06
gde33when stoned the things you take for granted seem awefully dubiousJul 16 22:06
msb__Cannabis?Jul 16 22:06
gde33yeJul 16 22:07
gde33it is nice when you are youngJul 16 22:07
MinceRyou need certain resources for survival. doing a job is one possible (and common) way to get access to those resources.Jul 16 22:07
msb__OK, first of all it requires non-oxidized cannabis.  The chlorophyll in the leaves serves as an indicator.  It should be green.Jul 16 22:08
MinceR(via salary->money->trade)Jul 16 22:08
gde33MinceR: yes, but even supperfical examination shows that it is a completely idiotic way of looking at things.Jul 16 22:08
MinceRwhat is?Jul 16 22:08
gde33what you said boils down to slavery for accessJul 16 22:09
gde33that means it will be ethernalJul 16 22:09
MinceRno, it doesn'tJul 16 22:09
MinceRno, it doesn't mean thatJul 16 22:09
msb__Doing a useful job for good pay is not slavery.Jul 16 22:09
gde33no amount of technology will remove the need to do jobsJul 16 22:09
gde33technology becomes bullshitJul 16 22:09
MinceRi think it mightJul 16 22:09
MinceRwhether humanity can survive and reach that level is another matterJul 16 22:09
gde33progress becomes undesirableJul 16 22:09
gde33the difference between jobs and work is small but not insignificantJul 16 22:10
gde33we need to do all kinds of work to sustain ourselvesJul 16 22:10
msb__As machines produce more goods and services, the amount of work that people have to do decreases.Jul 16 22:10
DaemonFCgde33: My favorite coffee is Dunkin Donuts dark roast with cream, Chips Ahoy syrup, and splenda.Jul 16 22:10
gde33jobs are not the answer to doing the nesasary workJul 16 22:10
DaemonFCYou can by the coffee to make at home, but not the syrupJul 16 22:10
msb__This is causing big problems under capitalism already with mass unemployment.Jul 16 22:11
gde33msb__: yes but who cares?Jul 16 22:11
MinceRjobs are the form in which division of labor is implementedJul 16 22:11
gde33why are we not exited that the work is finally finished?Jul 16 22:11
msb__MinceR: right!Jul 16 22:11
gde33it is like any kind of work, say cleaning the dishesJul 16 22:12
MinceRdivision of labor makes society more efficient and allows people to do things they like doing more than things they dislike doing (to some extent)Jul 16 22:12
gde33at some point you are doneJul 16 22:12
MinceRgde33: we should beJul 16 22:12
gde33this should be reason to be exitedJul 16 22:12
MinceRinstead of complaining that machines are taking our jerbs, people should train themselves for less menial tasksJul 16 22:12
gde33efficency is in focusing on the work not in focusing on keeping people bussyJul 16 22:13
msb__The psychopaths in control don't want capitalism to end.Jul 16 22:13
gde33MinceR: take health care, you need trained people, you need machines, you need factories, you need researchJul 16 22:13
msb__That's why the US has attacked socialist nation throughout the 20th Century.Jul 16 22:13
gde33MinceR: in the expoitation model you simply cant have health careJul 16 22:14
gde33the price will go up to the point where proffit is the greatestJul 16 22:14
MinceRmsb__: those "socialist nations" were more exploitative than the "capitalist" onesJul 16 22:14
gde33MinceR: certainly!Jul 16 22:14
MinceRgde33: wasn't that fixed already?Jul 16 22:14
gde33fuck marx was all over the jobs nonsenseJul 16 22:14
msb__It was a false kind of socialism, actually state capitalism.Jul 16 22:15
msb__Good socialism requires real democracy at every level.Jul 16 22:15
MinceRthe term i've seen for that is "state socialism"Jul 16 22:15
gde33it was just an example, pot makes you question everything. To find the right answer you have to ask the right questions.Jul 16 22:15
MinceR:)Jul 16 22:15
gde33our culture is full of completely crazy things we never questionJul 16 22:16
MinceRsome of us do :>Jul 16 22:17
gde33the most idiotic one to me was that I thought people acted based on logic and reason.Jul 16 22:17
gde33then it one day struck me as something I just like to believeJul 16 22:17
MinceRsome people do, but this is probably rareJul 16 22:17
gde33I was just telling myself that that was the caseJul 16 22:18
MinceRit was also said that we often rationalize our actions after deciding or doing themJul 16 22:18
MinceRthough the research this was based on was dubiousJul 16 22:18
msb__People can learn to think rationally, critically.Jul 16 22:18
gde33msb__: I like to tell myself that tooJul 16 22:18
msb__If they are given information on how to do it.Jul 16 22:18
gde33but if you look carefully you are just saying something you like to believe to be trueJul 16 22:19
msb__It's true, at least for some people.Jul 16 22:19
gde33take softwareJul 16 22:19
gde33or any product we useJul 16 22:19
msb__I think much more accurately now than I did 20  years ago.Jul 16 22:19
gde33to find the best product one would have to make up his own mindJul 16 22:20
cubexyzwell windows 95, no wonder :)Jul 16 22:20
gde33that would require trying all of the offeringsJul 16 22:20
gde33I do do this sometimes, I install all windos irc clients, learn to configure and use themJul 16 22:21
MinceRi wouldn't even consider windows-only irc clientsJul 16 22:21
gde33but other people dont do that, they dont value my opinion either.Jul 16 22:21
gde33MinceR: exactly, my investigation is seriously flawed by designJul 16 22:21
MinceRthose would require me to run windows or try to make them work with wineJul 16 22:21
gde33that is how people end up on facebook, not because it offers interesting features, just heard mentality.Jul 16 22:22
gde33logical would be for us to all agree a social network is a great idea.Jul 16 22:23
gde33then we make a list of features it should haveJul 16 22:23
gde33code itJul 16 22:23
gde33but that would require logical beingsJul 16 22:24
MinceRwe could use diaspora or gnu socialJul 16 22:24
gde33msb__: I honestly dont know if I think more logically, I like to think I doJul 16 22:24
MinceRor bothJul 16 22:25
gde33MinceR: certainlyJul 16 22:25
cubexyzwhat's wrong with IRC?Jul 16 22:25
MinceRi might do so once i get my vps, but i'm not strongly motivatedJul 16 22:25
MinceRyeah, irc is greatJul 16 22:25
msb__There are enough logical beings to have created GNU/Linux and all its tools and apps.Jul 16 22:25
MinceRand might well be sufficient for meJul 16 22:25
MinceRmsb__: and so much other technology, and scienceJul 16 22:25
gde33cubelog: irc logs are unorganized to the point of being unreadable Jul 16 22:25
MinceRgrep helps :>Jul 16 22:26
cubexyzI just grepped years worth of coreboot logs todayJul 16 22:26
gde33if you write your thougths into a blog your effort creates something valueable over timeJul 16 22:26
msb__konversation keeps good logsJul 16 22:26
gde33logs cant compete with articles in the search resultsJul 16 22:27
msb__Some simple formatting scripts make them easy to readJul 16 22:27
gde33the thoughts shared here from time to time are good enough to have a large audienceJul 16 22:28
gde33as an irc log that cant happenJul 16 22:28
msb__Then you can extract good discussions and edit them into articles.Jul 16 22:28
cubexyzactually schestowitz puts the logs on the webJul 16 22:28
gde33just like activism on facebook leaves no trail of having ever existedJul 16 22:29
cubexyzplus there's a few logbots Jul 16 22:29
gde33msb__: sureJul 16 22:29
MinceRwell, if you can put your thoughts more formally, a website or blog can be usefulJul 16 22:29
MinceRwe talk differently on irc most of the time :)Jul 16 22:29
cubexyz100 years from now folks will still be able to read about how win95 sucks :)Jul 16 22:29
MinceRi'm not so sureJul 16 22:30
gde33the medium should aid the creation of value rather than noiseJul 16 22:30
MinceRit's so difficult to find evidence even of events that didn't happen so long agoJul 16 22:30
MinceRsay, 10 or 15 years agoJul 16 22:30
cubexyzactually I have VHS tapes of BBS logins from the 1980sJul 16 22:31
gde33cubelog: those are exceptionsJul 16 22:31
gde33most of our stuff is just burnedJul 16 22:31
cubexyzthis era we're in right now is probably the most recorded era everJul 16 22:32
gde33Take this silly exampleJul 16 22:32
gde33a smot ramp looks like this http://go-here.nl/smot-hires.jpgJul 16 22:32
msb__google had everything from text Usenet, but threw it away a few years ago.Jul 16 22:32
gde33it is very strange because the ball rolls up the ramp then drops from the high endJul 16 22:32
gde33there use to be hundreds of videos showing theseJul 16 22:32
MinceRi've made it a policy to save websites (instead of just bookmarking) i intend to use as evidence or reference in the futureJul 16 22:32
gde33now there are 3 or 4 videos of smot ramps that are build wrongJul 16 22:33
cubexyzinteresting, this is the first I've heard of such a thingJul 16 22:34
gde33here is one that doesn't start at table level https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MEOit3ff4Hg#t=15Jul 16 22:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Magnet ramp 1 - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/n52r5 ]Jul 16 22:34
gde33it just fails to capture the toyJul 16 22:34
gde33this one is wrong too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMCLKKVef0EJul 16 22:35
cubexyzno commercial version?Jul 16 22:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Rampa magnetica magnetic ramp smot Alessio Fusaro - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/n52rc ]Jul 16 22:35
gde33nopeJul 16 22:35
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Magnetic_Overunity_ToyJul 16 22:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Simple Magnetic Overunity Toy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/n52rg ]Jul 16 22:35
gde33I think it is a hilarious toyJul 16 22:35
gde33but it did have lots of pages about it selfJul 16 22:38
gde33most ideas people have do notJul 16 22:38
gde33they cant be discoveredJul 16 22:38
gde33all the different flat logs must be full of fantastic treasuresJul 16 22:39
gde33irc, wiki's, usenet, facebook, twitter etc etcJul 16 22:39
cubexyzyeah and Microsoft wanted to crash the party with IRCXJul 16 22:40
cubexyzthen MSNPJul 16 22:40
msb__That video does not show overunity.  The guy has to move the spheres by hand.Jul 16 22:41
cubexyzIRC, another invention from FinlandJul 16 22:41
MinceRlol ircxJul 16 22:41
MinceRtypical crappy m$ productJul 16 22:41
gde33msb__: the jury is still out on the overunityJul 16 22:42
gde33the wikipedia article has no sourcesJul 16 22:42
cubexyzgde33, ever heard of the Hutchison Effect?Jul 16 22:43
gde33sureJul 16 22:43
msb__An overunity one would be simple to build, if it works.  SMOT is just a four-letter word.Jul 16 22:43
cubexyzlevitation of heavy objects, and other weird stuffJul 16 22:43
msb__Hutchison Effect is bullshit.Jul 16 22:43
gde33someone told john that if he had those devices he should try thatJul 16 22:44
gde33but he cant make a decent video or write documentationJul 16 22:44
msb__a box with a video camera mounted at the edge, looking inside.  Then somebody flipps the box over and the objects appear to ascend in the video..Jul 16 22:45
cubexyzanother oddball thing.. quasijarus works better when you login with telnetJul 16 22:47
msb__Same thing was done with a whole room in the movie Poltergeist (1982) in which JoBeth Williams appeared to climb up a wall.Jul 16 22:47
cubexyzunfortunately there's barely anyone who uses it, so progress with it is slowJul 16 22:47
cubexyzmsb__, I think I remember thatJul 16 22:48
gde33msb__: you cant prove anything about it if the guy cant document stuffJul 16 22:48
gde33just noiseJul 16 22:48
msb__I thought quasijarus became extinct millions of years ago.Jul 16 22:48
cubexyznah, I still use itJul 16 22:49
msb__Wasn't the Polyphase Quasitron used to destroy the Magnetic Monster?Jul 16 22:50
gde33not one  quasijarus video on the interwebsJul 16 22:51
cubexyzthere's a 2.11BSD videoJul 16 22:51
cubexyzI'm not sure what Sokolov is doing with quasijarus these daysJul 16 22:51
cubexyzI was hoping to get lynx working on itJul 16 22:52
cubexyzgde33, try 4.3bsd Jul 16 22:56
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msb__I downloaded the youtube video of Spielberg showing the rotating room in Poltergeist, but the shitpigs have removed it from youtube.Jul 16 22:59
msb__Anyhow Hutchison is a fraud.Jul 16 23:00
gde33the greek debt debate last night was not available in germany because streaming youtube is bannedJul 16 23:00
msb__He makes the deformed metal bars by making casts of vegetable root systems.Jul 16 23:01
gde33could be, I see nothing that suggests anything is real or fakeJul 16 23:01
cubexyzit is interesting that IRC has far less users that facebook doesJul 16 23:02
msb__Anything you like on youtube, download it -- http://youtube-dl.org/Jul 16 23:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-youtube-dl.org | youtube-dlJul 16 23:03
cubexyzIRC seems to attract more knowledgeable people, at least with regard to computer skillsJul 16 23:03
cubexyzI can barely stand facebookJul 16 23:03
gde33internet for suckersJul 16 23:05
msb__If there are two ways to create a video, one that violates laws of physics, is undocumented and not reproducible, and the other that anyone can do in their kitchen, which one should you believe?Jul 16 23:06
gde33I dont do believes if I dont have to, I save many cpu cycles that way :)Jul 16 23:06
cubexyzI didn't believe cold fusion eitherJul 16 23:07
gde33the amount of time people waste judging things for no reasonJul 16 23:07
cubexyzit has to be reproducibleJul 16 23:08
gde33judge people, groups of people etcJul 16 23:08
msb__Hutchison is also hooked up with Judy Wood, a COINTELPRO agent trying to smear 9-11 research.Jul 16 23:08
MinceRmaybe that's why some people judge people so quicklyJul 16 23:08
gde33if you need to know what something is you put in the workJul 16 23:08
MinceRto reduce the amount of wasted timeJul 16 23:08
gde33MinceR: haha, yes but it can be done so much faster by leaving things the way they are ;)Jul 16 23:09
msb__Various types of cold fusion are reproducible.  See:  http://lenr-canr.org/Jul 16 23:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lenr-canr.org | LENR-CANR.org — A library of papers about cold fusionJul 16 23:09
gde33there are enough scientists with admirable credentials who say it is worth further researchJul 16 23:10
msb__search the site for    Iwamura   He transmutes thin films of metals by flowing deuterium gas thru them.Jul 16 23:11
gde33I dont see how my opinion would be of significant value compared to theirsJul 16 23:11
MinceRthen they should perform further researchJul 16 23:14
MinceRwhatever the outcome, we will know more than we did beforeJul 16 23:15
gde33I do see lame naysayersJul 16 23:15
cubexyzduracell doesn't make the best batteries Jul 16 23:16
gde33they moan how they know nothing is there without showing anything for itJul 16 23:16
cubexyzbut if you went by marketing alone.... :)Jul 16 23:16
gde33if you show them 1 youtube video with some wild effect going on they know it is not realJul 16 23:16
gde33then find 200 scientists with admirable credentials and nobel prizes and do 25 years of successful replication Jul 16 23:17
gde33and then they will scream it is not real?Jul 16 23:17
gde33that is how objectivity works?Jul 16 23:17
gde33this is what we expect from john hutchison too? hahahaJul 16 23:17
gde33sounds quite unreasonableJul 16 23:18
cubexyzDuracell might even be hobbling their batteries on purpose, making them less durableJul 16 23:18
cubexyza simple money-making ployJul 16 23:18
gde33of course?Jul 16 23:18
gde33that is how business worksJul 16 23:18
gde33they have these big battery making machines now, those produce batteries the whole day longJul 16 23:19
gde33from where the illusion they would want to replace those machines to make them more efficent?Jul 16 23:19
gde33to go bankrupt?Jul 16 23:20
cubexyzno, it's not white/black like thatJul 16 23:20
gde33it is like expecting microsoft to do monthly kernel upgradesJul 16 23:20
gde33lmaoJul 16 23:20
cubexyzpeople paid a premium price to get batteries that lasted longerJul 16 23:20
gde33because you know, it is the right thing to doJul 16 23:20
cubexyzif they don't last longer, what is the point in paying more?Jul 16 23:21
gde33cubexyz: last longer than what?Jul 16 23:21
gde33the other factory that is probably owned by the same people?Jul 16 23:21
gde33in most sectors the new and improved technology is sitting there waiting for the production line to get oldJul 16 23:23
msb__Hutchison doesn't prove his claims, and he never has impartial people come in and watch a demonstration of his "effect".Jul 16 23:23
cubexyzI don't know, I guess I'd have to research thatJul 16 23:23
gde33msb__: sure, my point was that at the point where hundreds of scientists invest 25 years into thousands of succesful replications we still have something that can be easily disbelieved.Jul 16 23:24
MinceRwe already have plenty of such thingsJul 16 23:24
MinceRlike evolution and quantum mechanicsJul 16 23:24
msb__evolution and quantum mechanics have both actually been demonstrated taking placeJul 16 23:25
gde33running a business involves a lot of things, it is nice to be on the cutting edge but it has a ton of drawbacksJul 16 23:25
MinceRand yet people disbelieve themJul 16 23:26
gde33cubexyz: philips made a tv one time that could explode after 10 yearsJul 16 23:26
MinceRsome people even use technology that relies on humans' understanding of quantum mechanics to spread the word about quantum mechanics being a lieJul 16 23:26
MinceRvideoton's tv-s exploded a lot soonerJul 16 23:26
gde33lolJul 16 23:26
MinceRthey were called color star, iircJul 16 23:26
gde33I'm sure it all looked great at launch timeJul 16 23:27
msb__How high did it get when it was launched?Jul 16 23:27
gde33the space x rocket went up for a bit first :DJul 16 23:28
gde33then poof and wtf?Jul 16 23:28
cubexyzdoesn't the transistor use quantum mechanics?Jul 16 23:28
gde33I think they are still at the wtf stage of bug fixingJul 16 23:28
msb__Nobody's gonna want to ride on that thing.Jul 16 23:28
cubexyzso that's pretty much all computers Jul 16 23:28
cubexyzso doubting QM is sillyJul 16 23:29
msb__I think a detailed analysis of transistor action involves QM.Jul 16 23:29
MinceRcubexyz: at least FETs certainly doJul 16 23:29
MinceRso do giant magnetoresistive HDD headsJul 16 23:29
msb__The simple two-slit experiment is a good demo of QM.Jul 16 23:30
msb__A single particle or photon will go one way or the other, but a beam of them will make an interference pattern.Jul 16 23:31
gde33msb__: “If there’s more than one way to do a job, and one of those ways will result in disaster, then somebody will do it that way.” —Edward A. Murphy, Jr. Jul 16 23:31
gde33I for one am very exited about an industry dedicated to blowing up rich peopleJul 16 23:32
msb__excitedJul 16 23:32
gde33rightJul 16 23:32
msb__drones and google maps might be a beginning, but you wouldn't want to blow up the servantsJul 16 23:34
gde33there is a good prank about the double slit experimentJul 16 23:34
gde33someone replicated it with just a needleJul 16 23:34
msb__With monochromatic light, especially laser, you'd see interference fringes.Jul 16 23:36
MinceRonce you have robots to serve you, you can blow up the servantsJul 16 23:37
gde33yes, that is how robots make everything cheaperJul 16 23:37
gde33no more need to sustain the servantJul 16 23:38
msb__Aren't junction -- NPN, PNP -- transistors more involved with QM than FETs?  Something about conduction bands?Jul 16 23:39
MinceRi don't knowJul 16 23:40
MinceRi know that FETs rely on quantum tunnellingJul 16 23:40
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gde33it will be facinating to see the transistor size drop to 3 nm and beyondJul 16 23:44
gde3315 nm is 5 times the length and 5 times the width or 25 times biggerJul 16 23:48
gde33I see some video card where the ddr5 memory is stacked into a pile next to the processorJul 16 23:50
gde33video is still on something like 20 nm I think?Jul 16 23:50
msb__looks like most FETs are just electrostatic, but there are a couple of kinds that use tunneling.   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field-effect_transistorJul 16 23:51
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MinceRflash ROM uses quantum tunnelling tooJul 16 23:54
MinceR(and EEPROM in general)Jul 16 23:55
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schestowitz[22:23] <gde33> logical would be for us to all agree a social network is a great idea.Jul 17 01:28
schestowitzDepends whichJul 17 01:28
gde33schestowitz: the raw conceptJul 17 01:29
gde33schestowitz: it is a good enough idea to have a serious discussion about featuresJul 17 01:30
gde33schestowitz: how to implement it Jul 17 01:30
schestowitz[21:17] <DaemonFC> Microsoft is pushing Android apps more than it is Windows Phone.Jul 17 01:31
schestowitz[21:17] <DaemonFC> I have several of them on my new Galaxy S6.Jul 17 01:31
schestowitz[21:17] <DaemonFC> They preloaded Onedrive and OneNote.Jul 17 01:31
schestowitzBecause of patent extortionJul 17 01:31
gde33schestowitz: how to prevent your mum becoming a means of exploitationJul 17 01:31
schestowitzMS sued SamsungJul 17 01:31
schestowitzand then settled in exchange for samsung being MS couriers on AndroidJul 17 01:31
schestowitzExtortion/blackmail is what this isJul 17 01:31
schestowitzthe 'new' MicrosoftJul 17 01:31
gde33same as the old oneJul 17 01:31
schestowitzgde33: I did try to install diaspora on the server of techrightsJul 17 01:32
schestowitzdidn't get it running completely, but was closeJul 17 01:32
schestowitzit's a bit of a hog, it uses RoRJul 17 01:32
schestowitz[20:35] <msb__> but psychopaths, at least some of them, are genetic.Jul 17 01:38
schestowitz[20:36] <msb__> And the positions of power in the govt, corporations, and media are full of them.Jul 17 01:38
schestowitzI heard this beforeJul 17 01:38
schestowitzfor some, ambitions is neededJul 17 01:38
schestowitzhard workJul 17 01:38
schestowitzand then there are connections, like family connections, and the will to stab people in the back to get promotedJul 17 01:38
schestowitzI've repeatedly declined offers of promotion, I want my daytime job to remain simple and funJul 17 01:39
schestowitz[20:20] <MinceR> just because a computer is old doesn't mean it's free of backdoorsJul 17 01:40
msb__schestowitz: You'll never get to be a psychopath at this rate.Jul 17 01:40
schestowitzThe off-the-shelf ones might not work, i.e. more expensive and hard to crack, I thinkJul 17 01:40
schestowitzWindows XP makes one very easy to crack, the 0-days have been on the shelf for quite some time with no fixes deliveredJul 17 01:41
msb__The movie _fishead_ is about psychopaths in power.Jul 17 01:41
schestowitzmsb__: depends on how you define itJul 17 01:41
schestowitzmy friend says, only a psychopath says he never liesJul 17 01:41
cubexyzwell I figure Babbages Analytical Engine is backdoor free :)Jul 17 01:41
schestowitzbut anyway, my focus is my online activismJul 17 01:42
schestowitzthe job is secondary, I need to pay the billsJul 17 01:42
schestowitzmsb__: I watched some of that "conspiracy" stuff today because the wife was watching youtube by hopping between videosJul 17 01:42
msb__Which conspiracy stuff?Jul 17 01:43
schestowitzThere's this one guy, report/open source something - maybe Corbet report?Jul 17 01:43
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msb__Yes, he's good.Jul 17 01:43
schestowitzhe's not badJul 17 01:43
schestowitzeven if I don't agree with him on some stuffJul 17 01:43
msb__Do you mean videos linked on my homepage?Jul 17 01:43
schestowitznoJul 17 01:44
msb__There's plenty of conspiracy stuff that seems to be BS.  Some I know is.Jul 17 01:44
schestowitzexamplesJul 17 01:45
schestowitz1. no planes present on 9/11Jul 17 01:45
schestowitz2. people in MH flights dead before crashJul 17 01:45
schestowitzstuff that makes no sense at allJul 17 01:45
schestowitzand discredits attempts to meaningful scepticism of mediaJul 17 01:46
msb__certain #1Jul 17 01:46
schestowitzI think some of it is intentionally introduced and plantedJul 17 01:46
schestowitzto stigmatise criticsJul 17 01:46
msb__#2 how would anyone knowJul 17 01:46
msb__http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/disinfo.html  -- covers most of the ones trying to discredit 911 researchersJul 17 01:48
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MinceRhttp://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3785Jul 17 01:49
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msb__ no planes, mini-A-bombs, holograms that project darkness, rayguns from spaceJul 17 01:49
MinceRronald raygun?Jul 17 01:50
schestowitz[20:20] <cubexyz> since people are junking old computers, why not save some?Jul 17 01:50
schestowitzSometimes they just breakJul 17 01:50
schestowitzmy old server diedJul 17 01:50
schestowitzand fixing it would cost a lot more than it's worthJul 17 01:50
MinceRalso, old computers may consume more electricity :>Jul 17 01:50
schestowitzeven if I ever figured out which component needs changingJul 17 01:50
cubexyzthat's not always the caseJul 17 01:50
schestowitzso it's just dysfunctional and unused since MarchJul 17 01:50
cubexyzP4's used more power than P3'sJul 17 01:50
MinceRP4 may be an outlier, in the chase after meaningless high clock ratesJul 17 01:51
MinceRCore was based on P3 in part for the lower energy consumption, afaikJul 17 01:51
schestowitzMinceR: computers in general don't take that much power compared to other appliancesJul 17 01:51
cubexyzI will use monochrome LCD tech as soon as I can for terminalsJul 17 01:51
schestowitzI always leave like 3 computers on 24/7Jul 17 01:51
MinceR:)Jul 17 01:51
schestowitzsometimes moreJul 17 01:51
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schestowitzand the electric bills aren't that badJul 17 01:51
MinceRwell, there are definitely some appliances that use lots of powerJul 17 01:51
MinceRto generate heat and the likeJul 17 01:52
schestowitzphoronix michael now uses his bills as a begging plea to have people toss out adblockJul 17 01:52
MinceR:)Jul 17 01:52
schestowitzdid you see it?Jul 17 01:52
MinceRnoJul 17 01:52
schestowitz!google phoronix electric bill adblockJul 17 01:52
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MinceRi only read moronix when linked on irc in a way that gets my attentionJul 17 01:52
MinceRor when it comes up as a search resultJul 17 01:52
cubexyzI wouldn't junk a historical important machine like a microvaxJul 17 01:52
MinceRneither would iJul 17 01:53
MinceRi still have my sinclair zx spectrum in a cupboardJul 17 01:53
cubexyzbut some Pentium Pro, it's not as importantJul 17 01:53
schestowitzhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-Power-Use-July-15Jul 17 01:53
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cubexyzUnix was born on a PDP-11/20Jul 17 01:54
cubexyzso I'd keep one of those (not likely to happen)Jul 17 01:54
schestowitz"While I hate having to always mention it, the numbers lay it out rather bluntly... While trying to put out more Linux benchmarks, better cater to the Phoronix-reading Linux enthusiasts with better and more relevant advertisements, write more researches pieces, etc, the energy costs have more than doubled over the past year!"Jul 17 01:54
cubexyzeven though it's not energy efficient, it's historically a very important computerJul 17 01:54
cubexyzsome old PDP-11's only get turned on once or twice a monthJul 17 01:55
cubexyzbut I don't think the microvax was a big power userJul 17 01:56
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schestowitzwb oiaohmJul 17 02:00
msb__" <MinceR> ronald raygun?"  Yeah, he shot Afghanistan just to watch it die.Jul 17 02:01
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msb__MinceR: I don't know if the Taliban he put into power there are clit-cutters, but women certainly have very few right there.Jul 17 02:03
msb__rightsJul 17 02:03
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MinceRyeah, islam takes that to the extremeJul 17 02:03
msb__Of course hundreds of years ago "Christians" tortured to death millions of Goddess adherents.  Usually by burning.  When the victim was near death the "christians" would pull them up out of the fire, so they'd last longer.Jul 17 02:05
MinceRdid that goddess have a name?Jul 17 02:07
msb__Then we have Israeli Jews bombing schoolchildren in Gaza with nerve-gas and white phosphorus (burns down to the bone).Jul 17 02:07
schestowitzwhile the world watched UkraineJul 17 02:08
msb__Probably, but I don't remember it.Jul 17 02:08
schestowitzgodless?Jul 17 02:08
schestowitzor goddess?Jul 17 02:08
schestowitztorture too was typical at the timeJul 17 02:08
schestowitzthe Spainiards exercised waterboardingJul 17 02:08
schestowitzthey just didn't call it thatJul 17 02:09
schestowitzthey 'converted' a lot of peopleJul 17 02:09
schestowitzadded "Catholic" market share, made the occupied worship the occupier in EuropeJul 17 02:09
msb__Wiccans today celebrate practically every Goddess.  Maybe not Kali.Jul 17 02:10
MinceReven Wee Jas?Jul 17 02:11
schestowitzwitches?Jul 17 02:11
msb__sounds like the derivation.Jul 17 02:13
MinceRwhat about Shar?Jul 17 02:13
msb__Wee Jas is fictional in Dungeons and DragonsJul 17 02:14
MinceRwhich deity isn't fictional?Jul 17 02:14
msb__wiki says both areJul 17 02:15
MinceRas far as i know, all of them areJul 17 02:15
cubexyzSaint IGNUcius of course :)Jul 17 02:16
schestowitzRMS if fictionalJul 17 02:17
schestowitzso is Chuck NorrisJul 17 02:17
msb__You're gettin' strange, Roy.Jul 17 02:18
msb__That which does not kill me makes me stranger.Jul 17 02:19
msb__And if I look into The Abyss I see a really great movie.Jul 17 02:20
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msb__Read _The Chalice and the Blade_ by Riane Eisler.  Talks about Goddess culture, which preceded JCI.  Archeological research described there proves that we aren't the inherent bastards we think we are (because the psychopath rulers tell us we are).Jul 17 02:24
msb__That book changed my life.Jul 17 02:24
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MinceR"I believe that whatever doesn't kill me only makes me... stranger."Jul 17 02:29
MinceR"Whatever doesn't kill you makes you wish it had."Jul 17 02:29
MinceRif you stare into the abyss, the abyss stares back at you -- well, too bad for the abyss.Jul 17 02:30
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msb__There is nothing new under the sun, Jul 17 02:36
msb__but there are lots of old thingsJul 17 02:36
msb__we don't know yet.Jul 17 02:36
msb__                -- Ambrose BierceJul 17 02:36
cubexyzawesome, modded quasijarus termcapJul 17 02:37
cubexyzthe same mod that worked on Unix v8 also works on quasijarusJul 17 02:38
msb__cubexyz: what is the word derivation of "quasijarus"Jul 17 02:39
msb__?Jul 17 02:39
msb__And don't tell me itJul 17 02:39
msb__And don't tell me it's not the actual jarus.Jul 17 02:39
cubexyzas far as I know it's just a made up nameJul 17 02:44
cubexyzquasijarus is a fork of 4.3BSD-TahoeJul 17 02:48
cubexyzthe last Unix distro by the Computer Systems Research GroupJul 17 02:49
cubexyzMichael Sokolov thought of it as a continuation of "True Unix"Jul 17 02:50
cubexyzI'm interested in quasijarus for a different reason Jul 17 02:50
msb__With it you can Rule the World?Jul 17 02:51
cubexyzI have a research interest in the history of the X Window SystemJul 17 02:51
oiaohmI allways like that the X11 symbol means not XJul 17 02:57
oiaohmcubexyz: I guess you know why that is.Jul 17 02:58
oiaohmMinceR lot of stuff that the talbain did is not Islam.  But the cultures before Islam staying alive.Jul 17 03:01
cubexyzbecause there's a diagonal line in the X?Jul 17 03:02
oiaohmcubexyz: its Not XeroxJul 17 03:03
oiaohmyes a very historic X11 joke.Jul 17 03:04
oiaohmcubexyz: http://www.famouslogos.us/xerox-logo/ Look at the 1961 Xerox logo X.   Yes Red and cut are both not.Jul 17 03:07
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cubexyzI'd really like to have a full microvax emulatorJul 17 03:17
cubexyzunfortunately I don't think there is one for LinuxJul 17 03:18
cubexyzI'm a bit leary of getting an actual microvax and then having unfixable hardware problemsJul 17 03:18
cubexyz50 pin scsi drives, that's not too hard to findJul 17 03:21
cubexyzLK201 keyboards are a bit harderJul 17 03:22
oiaohmcubexyz: I have to check my scrap pile.  I think I might have a LK201 keyboard.Jul 17 03:23
oiaohmcubexyz: Ok nothing else to go along with it.Jul 17 03:23
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oiaohmMy RC4 just keeps on getting weaker. http://www.rc4nomore.com/vanhoef-usenix2015.pdfJul 17 03:46
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schestowitz> M$, popularity?Jul 17 08:59
schestowitzMust have meant ubiquity, like cigarettes.Jul 17 08:59
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/deusexstigma/status/621952023873785856Jul 17 09:09
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     MeX Linux Distro Is Now Based on Linux MintJul 17 09:26
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Here Are the New Beautified Monochromatic IconsJul 17 09:26
TweetTuxMachines                 of Ubuntu Linux http://t.co/ZqU89h1GZpJul 17 09:26
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Samsung Z3 is the developer giveaway at theJul 17 09:31
TweetTuxMachines                 Tizen Developer Summit 2015Jul 17 09:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Samsung Z3 is the developer giveaway at the Tizen Developer Summit 2015 | Tux MachinesJul 17 09:31
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Shashlik: A New Way To Run Android Apps OnJul 17 09:31
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux http://t.co/y49h33pv1k (www.phoronix.com)Jul 17 09:31
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     These are the 10 most powerful Android phonesJul 17 09:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com | Top 10 Android Phones, Based on Performance | BGRJul 17 09:31
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Nvidia GRID adds high-end Linux power to anyJul 17 09:36
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     KDE Devs Working to Bring Android Apps on LinuxJul 17 09:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | KDE Devs Working to Bring Android Apps on Linux - SoftpediaJul 17 09:37
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TweetTuxMachines                 Massive Update for GNOME 3.16Jul 17 09:37
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Docker 1.7.1 Open-Source Linux Container EngineJul 17 09:38
TweetTuxMachines                 Has Better Support for CentOS 6.6Jul 17 09:38
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Number of Meizu MX4 Ubuntu EditionJul 17 09:39
TweetTuxMachines                 Invitations Has Tripled http://t.co/huPStypy9AJul 17 09:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | The Number of Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition Invitations Has Tripled - SoftpediaJul 17 09:39
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Beautiful Chapeau 22.1 Linux Distro Out Now toJul 17 09:40
TweetTuxMachines                 Fix Issues with the Korora 22 ReposJul 17 09:40
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Gets the LatestJul 17 09:43
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leaked images of Samsung Z3 with Tizen 3.0? WeJul 17 09:43
TweetTuxMachines                 don’t think so http://t.co/P5kZKAH1rHJul 17 09:43
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Samsung’s Brings New Tizen based JS7000 4K SUHDJul 17 09:43
TweetTuxMachines                 Smart TV to the Masses http://t.co/eM3OdZNkhSJul 17 09:43
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     OpenELEC 6.0 Beta 3 Is Based on Linux KernelJul 17 09:43
TweetTuxMachines                 4.1 and Kodi 15.0 "Isengard" RC2Jul 17 09:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | OpenELEC 6.0 Beta 3 Is Based on Linux Kernel 4.1 and Kodi 15.0 "Isengard" RC2 - SoftpediaJul 17 09:43
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*TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi favourited 'Shashlik: A New Way To Run Android Apps...'Jul 17 09:43
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     MeX Linux Distro Is Now Based on Linux MintJul 17 09:45
TweetTuxMachines                 17.2, Ubuntu 15.04, and Debian 8Jul 17 09:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | MeX Linux Distro Is Now Based on Linux Mint 17.2, Ubuntu 15.04, and Debian 8 - SoftpediaJul 17 09:45
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Here Are the New Beautified Monochromatic IconsJul 17 09:45
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*TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi retweeted @tuxmachines: 'GNOME's Tracker Search Engine Reaches Version 1.5.0 with...'Jul 17 09:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android was 'probably the best decision GoogleJul 17 09:51
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    ever made' says its former leaderJul 17 09:51
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TweetTuxMachines                 "Barra told Chang"Jul 17 09:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Linux Mint 17.2 "Rafaela" Xfce Edition RC is Based on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and Xfce 4.12 http://t.co/xAmnjyaQJG #linuxmint #gnu #linuxJul 17 09:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Linux Mint 17.2 "Rafaela" Xfce Edition RC Is Based on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and Xfce 4.12 - SoftpediaJul 17 09:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Linux Mint 17.2 “Rafaela” KDE RC released! http://t.co/bsR63Ph3CD #kde #linuxmint #gnu #linuxJul 17 09:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: GCC 5.2 Officially Released http://t.co/iLK0qrCjWJ #gcc #gnu #programming #c #cplusplusJul 17 09:53
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