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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Will I Have the Latest Software Versions in | Jun 28 05:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu with Snappy? http://t.co/YNMO6ijTJ9 | Jun 28 05:40 |
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| XRevan86 | schestowitz: pravda.ru != Pravda | Jun 28 06:55 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.itworld.com/article/2940478/linux/windows-versus-linux-for-businesses.html This is getting interesting | Jun 28 08:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com | Windows versus Linux for businesses | ITworld [ http://ur1.ca/my4hz ] | Jun 28 08:06 | |
| cubexyz | those articles just aren't very good | Jun 28 08:09 |
| cubexyz | it's clear to me that the current software churn is just a waste of time | Jun 28 08:12 |
| cubexyz | more elaborate GUIs, operating systems that end of life after a few years, and closed systems... well it's not very hard to improve on that | Jun 28 08:14 |
| cubexyz | planned obsolescence | Jun 28 08:15 |
| cubexyz | once microsoft added activation to windows, I was out of there | Jun 28 08:18 |
| cubexyz | it's the pre-loads that get to me the most though | Jun 28 08:19 |
| cubexyz | that's why I rarely ever go to a computer store now | Jun 28 08:20 |
| cubexyz | I find it hysterical how we use to do everything imaginable in 64 kb while today you have ot learn 1000 poorly designed methods in some #28one of n#29 language that compiles to many MB's worth of sheer nonsense. The lossy compressed screenshot from the 70's easily takes 200 kb haha | Jun 28 08:34 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: what is interesting is the fact its being talked about as Linux being an option. | Jun 28 08:54 |
| cubexyz | you do recall that businesses used to use PDP-11s? | Jun 28 08:54 |
| cubexyz | I have a list of the different institutions... it's interesting reading | Jun 28 08:55 |
| cubexyz | a lot of medical places, research centres and of course academia | Jun 28 08:56 |
| oiaohm | What do you mean used. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/06/19/nuke_plants_to_keep_pdp11_until_2050/ | Jun 28 08:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Nuke plants to rely on PDP-11 code UNTIL 2050! • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/edeyd ] | Jun 28 08:56 | |
| oiaohm | Some of those horible old designs are very tough. | Jun 28 08:57 |
| cubexyz | you've heard of the DOD? :) | Jun 28 08:59 |
| cubexyz | them too | Jun 28 08:59 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kaatje36/status/615094259159597060 | Jun 28 09:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kaatje36: @schestowitz Same happened rather recently to Malawi :( | Jun 28 09:00 | |
| cubexyz | I made a point of tracking down as much of the Usenix tapes as I could | Jun 28 09:00 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RoodJet/status/615098967521652736 | Jun 28 09:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RoodJet: The 'West' can't leave it be when others have succes. Why the hell they break everything down with their arrogance. https://t.co/yLCOz0f0nL | Jun 28 09:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #IMF and USA set to ruin #Ghana https://t.co/QZrTom9r2P classic enslavement through debt. #africa #imperialism #colonisation | Jun 28 09:00 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/angrymofo/status/615101183636586496 | Jun 28 09:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@angrymofo: @schestowitz How many attacking IP's and what type of DDOS ? iptables can stop layer7 but depends on how many ip's to block. Too many = slow | Jun 28 09:00 | |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, a lot of it was typesetting and text manipulation, not too surprising | Jun 28 09:00 |
| r_schestowitz | too slow to block | Jun 28 09:00 |
| cubexyz | a lot of what is considered standard now was part of an aggregation process that started long ago | Jun 28 09:01 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/angrymofo/status/615101776400781312 | Jun 28 09:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@angrymofo: @schestowitz I held off >10k IP's for weeks once using iptables and a rolling db of the last 10k bad IP's. User agent enabled ID of bad IP's | Jun 28 09:02 | |
| r_schestowitz | that's like blocking the whole of AWS | Jun 28 09:02 |
| cubexyz | graphing utilties, and there's still tons of source code I haven't looked at yet | Jun 28 09:02 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/haniefhaider/status/615106432334209024 | Jun 28 09:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@haniefhaider: #Ghana had the best public utility in #Africa... until the IMF arrived... https://t.co/zxAT0Y6F1r. #imperialism #Greece via @schestowitz | Jun 28 09:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.craigmurray.org.uk | Craig Murray » Blog Archive » IMF and USA set to ruin Ghana | Jun 28 09:03 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/615133790201982976 | Jun 28 09:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz We'd all be better off if the Fortune 500 blacklisted Microsoft, Apple, Adobe, and Oracle. | Jun 28 09:05 | |
| cubexyz | there was big talk about Linux back in 2000 | Jun 28 09:07 |
| cubexyz | probably even before that | Jun 28 09:07 |
| oiaohm | I got into Linux from BSD in 1995 | Jun 28 09:07 |
| MinceR | i got into GNU/Linux from winblows somewhen around 2000 | Jun 28 09:08 |
| oiaohm | So there was a lot of write up from 1995 to 2002 then it died down. | Jun 28 09:08 |
| cubexyz | 2015 and it's still a novelty to consider Linux for business use? Surely we are passed that point | Jun 28 09:08 |
| cubexyz | quasar has been used for point of sale for quite a while now | Jun 28 09:09 |
| cubexyz | I think the DOD even has their own distro now | Jun 28 09:10 |
| oiaohm | Issue is basic. | Jun 28 09:11 |
| cubexyz | http://spi.dod.mil/LPS-Public_for_DoD.htm | Jun 28 09:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-spi.dod.mil | LPS-Public [ http://ur1.ca/my4x4 ] | Jun 28 09:11 | |
| oiaohm | Reality in 2000 it was believe that the graphics issues on Linux would be fixed. | Jun 28 09:11 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_GLX cubexyz this project was seen that it would lead to solving the issues. | Jun 28 09:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Utah GLX - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Jun 28 09:14 | |
| oiaohm | The hard reality is while Linux desktop envornement fails based security requirements its progress was always limited. | Jun 28 09:14 |
| cubexyz | I know that in the late 80s U of Waterloo was running SunOS in the computer lab | Jun 28 09:15 |
| cubexyz | so we've had the *nix stuff working for some time | Jun 28 09:15 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, that GLX stuff looks quite old | Jun 28 09:16 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: question do you use NVIDIA drivers under Linux. | Jun 28 09:17 |
| cubexyz | my server does | Jun 28 09:17 |
| oiaohm | If you do you are using code from Utah GLX | Jun 28 09:17 |
| cubexyz | sure, glxgears | Jun 28 09:17 |
| cubexyz | but it's mainly just a web server :) | Jun 28 09:18 |
| oiaohm | At that point in history Nvidia developers were willing to work with everyone else. | Jun 28 09:18 |
| cubexyz | I have a bunch of different video chipsets here | Jun 28 09:18 |
| oiaohm | That ends 2002 | Jun 28 09:18 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: do you not notice to use Nvidia you load glx not dri. | Jun 28 09:19 |
| oiaohm | There are complains from x.org for having to support historic interfaces so Nvidia drivers works. | Jun 28 09:20 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, I think on some of my computers it loads both dri and glx | Jun 28 09:21 |
| cubexyz | on the nvidia one it's just glx | Jun 28 09:21 |
| cubexyz | it's been a while since I've looked at xfree86 stuff | Jun 28 09:21 |
| oiaohm | newer driver design use dri | Jun 28 09:22 |
| cubexyz | in the module section it seems to load both on most of my boxes | Jun 28 09:22 |
| oiaohm | glx interface forwarding to dri has to be provided for old programs. | Jun 28 09:23 |
| cubexyz | old programs such as...? | Jun 28 09:24 |
| oiaohm | http://us.download.nvidia.com/solaris/180.51/README/chapter-03.html | Jun 28 09:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-us.download.nvidia.com | Chapter 3. Configuring X for the NVIDIA Driver [ http://ur1.ca/my50t ] | Jun 28 09:25 | |
| oiaohm | But the forward is GLcore module. | Jun 28 09:25 |
| oiaohm | Not the GLX module. | Jun 28 09:25 |
| oiaohm | A lot of people are not aware of how old of code the Nvidia binary blob forks off at. | Jun 28 09:26 |
| oiaohm | Of course when the Nvidia guys pull up stumps from Utah GLX so did ATI and every other major vendor. | Jun 28 09:27 |
| oiaohm | Then 8 years from 2002 to 2010 does graphics in Linux go back to not being a major interest to major video card makers. | Jun 28 09:27 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: please note its interesting how little difference there is in X.org configuration for Nvidia between Linux, bsd and Solaris | Jun 28 09:28 |
| cubexyz | I definitely remember running quake and descent on Linux many moons ago | Jun 28 09:29 |
| cubexyz | I honestly can't recall any problems with the video | Jun 28 09:29 |
| cubexyz | ran most of the Loki games as well | Jun 28 09:29 |
| oiaohm | problem is not making stuff run cubexyz | Jun 28 09:29 |
| oiaohm | Its the security sides. | Jun 28 09:29 |
| oiaohm | Like implementing Secure Attention Key to make sure keyboard logins are valid. | Jun 28 09:30 |
| cubexyz | and yet the DOD has a distro :) | Jun 28 09:30 |
| oiaohm | True but that distrobution does not run Nvidia. | Jun 28 09:31 |
| MinceR | what use is SAK if you're not at the console? | Jun 28 09:33 |
| MinceR | and what use is pretending you're secure when someone is at the console, so has physical access to the computer? | Jun 28 09:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: SAK is ment to work for console and graphical. | Jun 28 09:33 |
| oiaohm | SAK is a preventive method to applications creating fake login screens. | Jun 28 09:33 |
| cubexyz | can't they just add some biometric security thing? | Jun 28 09:33 |
| MinceR | i meant having access to a display and keyboard plugged directly into the computer | Jun 28 09:34 |
| cubexyz | keyboard doesn't work until you press you thumb or do a retina scan... | Jun 28 09:34 |
| MinceR | biometric authentication is mostly security theater. | Jun 28 09:34 |
| MinceR | especially fingerprint-based | Jun 28 09:34 |
| oiaohm | Even when you have physical access a program can attempt to display a fake login screen to get login details to go higher. | Jun 28 09:34 |
| oiaohm | This is preventing a class of internal attack. | Jun 28 09:34 |
| oiaohm | fingerprint scaners are worthless because fingerprints are too simple to get and replicate. | Jun 28 09:35 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jun 28 09:35 |
| oiaohm | Blood vessel scanners are in fact safer. | Jun 28 09:36 |
| cubexyz | put the computers in a secure area | Jun 28 09:36 |
| cubexyz | seems like a simple problem to solve | Jun 28 09:36 |
| oiaohm | Something to remember about biometrics if the subject does not have to be alive for them to work attackers might just kill subject. | Jun 28 09:36 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: please note I said internal attack. | Jun 28 09:36 |
| oiaohm | This is where sometrust to a limit amount to access the computer is attempting to get higher access. | Jun 28 09:37 |
| MinceR | what happens if you press [Ctrl+]Alt+SysRq+k on nvidia? | Jun 28 09:38 |
| cubexyz | right, there were some login shenanigans on early unix | Jun 28 09:38 |
| cubexyz | but obviously the problems weren't that bad | Jun 28 09:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: nothing good. Same issue happens like when you switch to console and back again with nvidia. The Nvidia closed soruce driver locks up. | Jun 28 09:38 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, businesses were running stuff on msdos and it definitely wasn't secure at all :) | Jun 28 09:40 |
| cubexyz | floppies had viruses | Jun 28 09:40 |
| MinceR | businesses were running stuff on windows and that isn't secure either | Jun 28 09:40 |
| cubexyz | it's not like we ever had super-duper security | Jun 28 09:40 |
| oiaohm | Recent years Nvidia has got better but 2010 and before switching from Framebuffer and back was more fatel. | Jun 28 09:40 |
| MinceR | we like the illusion of super-duper security, though | Jun 28 09:40 |
| oiaohm | This is a checklist of security features. | Jun 28 09:41 |
| oiaohm | Windows techically has working SAK. | Jun 28 09:41 |
| MinceR | i mostly had luck with nvidia | Jun 28 09:41 |
| MinceR | except when hibernating or suspending | Jun 28 09:41 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: notice the except. | Jun 28 09:41 |
| oiaohm | Business want hibernating and suspending for laptops on the move. | Jun 28 09:41 |
| MinceR | switching to text console and back tended to work | Jun 28 09:41 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: at my last job, the IT department told me to not use hibernate or suspend on windows because it was a miracle if it worked. | Jun 28 09:42 |
| cubexyz | why not just shutdown when you need to? | Jun 28 09:42 |
| cubexyz | it's a laptop after all | Jun 28 09:42 |
| MinceR | (i still used it because i was lazy, and it tended to work) | Jun 28 09:42 |
| MinceR | also, why do business laptops have nvidia GPU? | Jun 28 09:43 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: windows has about a 1 in 10 device failure rate with hibernate or suspend. | Jun 28 09:43 |
| MinceR | the ones i saw had intel. | Jun 28 09:43 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: what has Linux performance been with Intel hardware. | Jun 28 09:43 |
| MinceR | i guess in this case i was lucky with windows (as opposed to the usual case) | Jun 28 09:43 |
| oiaohm | Dead dog right MinceR | Jun 28 09:43 |
| oiaohm | Until recently. | Jun 28 09:43 |
| MinceR | depends on the use case | Jun 28 09:43 |
| MinceR | most business use cases don't need a powerful GPU. | Jun 28 09:44 |
| cubexyz | sounds crappy all round then re: suspending | Jun 28 09:44 |
| oiaohm | business cases don't need a higher powerful GPU is true but needing one that works a bit. | Jun 28 09:44 |
| MinceR | also, i could buy a ThinkPad with an intel GPU that's more powerful than my quadro fx 2700m :> | Jun 28 09:44 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: Linux suspend issue was a 1 in 3. | Jun 28 09:45 |
| MinceR | all the intel GPUs i had worked reliably, including the GMA 900 in my netbook. | Jun 28 09:45 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: but that si getting better. | Jun 28 09:45 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, I've suspending over 100 times on my HP | Jun 28 09:45 |
| cubexyz | suspended | Jun 28 09:45 |
| MinceR | and on those suspend almost always works | Jun 28 09:45 |
| oiaohm | Note the terible I am talking about is 2010 and before. | Jun 28 09:45 |
| oiaohm | We have seen some major changes since then. | Jun 28 09:46 |
| cubexyz | 273 days uptime too | Jun 28 09:46 |
| cubexyz | which isn't bad | Jun 28 09:46 |
| MinceR | (6 months or more with ~2 daily suspends without issue) | Jun 28 09:46 |
| MinceR | ic | Jun 28 09:46 |
| cubexyz | good enough I'd say | Jun 28 09:46 |
| oiaohm | Linux being terible from 2002 to 2010 makes lot of business edgy touching Linux. | Jun 28 09:46 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, the wall wart had a loose connection, otherwise the uptime would have been longer | Jun 28 09:47 |
| MinceR | i think i had that netbook before 2010 | Jun 28 09:47 |
| MinceR | funny thing is, windows was always worse | Jun 28 09:47 |
| oiaohm | Really I am look forward to Wayland. | Jun 28 09:48 |
| MinceR | i'm not a fan but i have a plan to salvage it | Jun 28 09:48 |
| MinceR | i think i can extend kde's implementation with the missing features and modularity | Jun 28 09:48 |
| oiaohm | Once that is in place a lot of checkboxes on the security list can mark it. | Jun 28 09:48 |
| MinceR | also, maybe they'll get a clue and add the missing features to the protocol | Jun 28 09:49 |
| oiaohm | Wayland protocol is way more complete than X11 was/is. | Jun 28 09:49 |
| MinceR | where's pointer grap and pointer warp? | Jun 28 09:49 |
| cubexyz | I think motif has that :) | Jun 28 09:51 |
| cubexyz | umm, grab at least | Jun 28 09:51 |
| MinceR | motif works on x11, not wayland | Jun 28 09:52 |
| oiaohm | pointer grap and warp is being worked on under Libinput | Jun 28 09:52 |
| MinceR | that sounds like a hack | Jun 28 09:52 |
| MinceR | why isn't it in the protocol? | Jun 28 09:52 |
| oiaohm | Nop | Jun 28 09:52 |
| cubexyz | which distros use wayland? | Jun 28 09:53 |
| cubexyz | Ubuntu I suppose | Jun 28 09:54 |
| oiaohm | Wayland protocol is not about input or output that much at all MinceR. But device access. | Jun 28 09:55 |
| MinceR | ic | Jun 28 09:55 |
| oiaohm | Like wayland does not define how direct rendering of opengl works. | Jun 28 09:55 |
| MinceR | what devices? just the GPU or also input devices? | Jun 28 09:55 |
| oiaohm | With GPU it just wants to know what buffers application wants displayed and where. So most of what the GPU device does wayland has no interest in. With input what devices the user application should see/not see. | Jun 28 09:57 |
| oiaohm | Calcution of input corrections and the like under wayland are the application side. | Jun 28 09:57 |
| oiaohm | This is a lot more compadible with giving applications timesilces and them being able to process everything they need even if the wayland compositor gets no cpu time. | Jun 28 09:58 |
| MinceR | who decides which application gets input? | Jun 28 09:58 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Ubuntu Next uses Mir. | Jun 28 09:59 |
| MinceR | i thought they gave up on mir already | Jun 28 10:00 |
| oiaohm | Something to remember a wayland application can run without a compositor. Techically the top application what you normally expect to be the compositor decides what applications are able to see input. | Jun 28 10:00 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Nope, still Mir. | Jun 28 10:01 |
| XRevan86 | Mir, trud, mai :). | Jun 28 10:01 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu is not even willing to give up on Mir even after Intel pulled support. | Jun 28 10:01 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you also have to remeber libinput is planed to be shared between wayland and x.org. So why implement a stack of things twice. | Jun 28 10:03 |
| oiaohm | Even Mir is planing on using libinput. | Jun 28 10:03 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: It already works on X.org and breaks by touchpad :). | Jun 28 10:03 |
| oiaohm | its the one place where all the graphical systems feature cross. | Jun 28 10:03 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: libinput fixes some touchpads with x.org as well. | Jun 28 10:04 |
| oiaohm | libinput has been a real mixed bag | Jun 28 10:04 |
| XRevan86 | Well, I have a plain synaptics. | Jun 28 10:04 |
| XRevan86 | so I'm in a majority here | Jun 28 10:04 |
| oiaohm | Turns out some of the synaptics have also had issues that the libinput configuration allows to be fixed as well. XRevan86 this is why I say mixed bag. | Jun 28 10:07 |
| MinceR | hopefully it will stabilize eventually | Jun 28 10:07 |
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| oiaohm | I knew there was something I forgot there is one thing Wayland is having a insane time implementing. Its something that soulds so simple copy paste. | Jun 28 23:36 |
| oiaohm | sould/sounds | Jun 28 23:37 |
| cubexyz | no distro seems to use wayland | Jun 28 23:37 |
| oiaohm | Fedora does on compadible systems for login screen. | Jun 28 23:38 |
| oiaohm | Debian has wayland in main repository as optional. | Jun 28 23:39 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: GDM and a few other login managers can operately fully just using wayland. So X11 is only kicked up in the user session. | Jun 28 23:41 |
| oiaohm | So the change over to wayland has started cubexyz just slow and carefully. | Jun 28 23:41 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: also you have to remember sailfish OS uses wayland at core for everything. | Jun 28 23:43 |
| oiaohm | sailfish has no xwayland. | Jun 28 23:44 |
| cubexyz | I remember basic linux had xvesa but I don't think any other distro uses that | Jun 28 23:46 |
| oiaohm | Debian has had xvesa | Jun 28 23:48 |
| oiaohm | Knoppix discs loved using it. | Jun 28 23:48 |
| cubexyz | I wanted to study the history of the X Window System | Jun 28 23:49 |
| cubexyz | got some X10R4 code | Jun 28 23:49 |
| cubexyz | xwm.c was so tiny | Jun 28 23:50 |
| cubexyz | played around with the idea of porting xwm.c but I didn't get too far | Jun 28 23:50 |
| oiaohm | You would not | Jun 28 23:51 |
| oiaohm | a lot of the apis that early xwm used are gone. | Jun 28 23:51 |
| oiaohm | Because they were broken so badly its not funny. | Jun 28 23:51 |
| cubexyz | actually I did compile xwm.c but it was on quasijarus and I couldn't run it | Jun 28 23:52 |
| cubexyz | so I do have the early APIs | Jun 28 23:53 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly do you know the method of removing X11 API. | Jun 28 23:53 |
| oiaohm | Break the API and see if anyone complains in 3 years. | Jun 28 23:53 |
| oiaohm | Then delete it. | Jun 28 23:53 |
| oiaohm | So some of those old programs will build but the API ABI side does not work. | Jun 28 23:54 |
| cubexyz | I was interested in seeing now small a window manager could be in terms of lines of code but still be usable | Jun 28 23:54 |
| oiaohm | ever seen ratposion cubexyz | Jun 28 23:55 |
| cubexyz | yes | Jun 28 23:55 |
| oiaohm | That is about as small as you can get. | Jun 28 23:55 |
| cubexyz | didn't like it :) | Jun 28 23:55 |
| oiaohm | ratposion is a little on the small side. | Jun 28 23:55 |
| cubexyz | the idea was interesting but... it just didn't seem usable | Jun 28 23:55 |
| oiaohm | Cutting away mouse operating and reducing to keyboard removes a huge stack of operations. | Jun 28 23:56 |
| cubexyz | you might have seen this: | Jun 28 23:57 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/compare-all-wms.png | Jun 28 23:57 |
| cubexyz | tinywm was also unusable | Jun 28 23:58 |
| cubexyz | so far I mostly use icewm | Jun 28 23:59 |
| cubexyz | dwm is pretty small | Jun 29 00:01 |
| oiaohm | The closer to a bare min wm you get the more configuration you have todo. | Jun 29 00:01 |
| oiaohm | TWM is normally the smallest I go. | Jun 29 00:02 |
| oiaohm | But once you add on pagers and everything else to be functional those bar min windows managers start getting a lot larger. | Jun 29 00:03 |
| oiaohm | TWM configured usable and awesome take up about the same ammount of space. | Jun 29 00:05 |
| cubexyz | trying to remember what file to edit to add a new wm | Jun 29 00:09 |
| cubexyz | I added it to .xinitrc but there's another thing... | Jun 29 00:10 |
| oiaohm | wm list is ?dm releated. | Jun 29 00:13 |
| cubexyz | mod1 == alt? | Jun 29 00:14 |
| cubexyz | guess it does | Jun 29 00:14 |
| cubexyz | ugh, I can't move windows | Jun 29 00:15 |
| cubexyz | ah, there we go | Jun 29 00:16 |
| cubexyz | everything seems based on using the alt key to do anything | Jun 29 00:19 |
| cubexyz | impressive small 28,832 bytes | Jun 29 00:19 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: what are you playing with. | Jun 29 00:20 |
| cubexyz | definitely old school, complete with troff man page | Jun 29 00:20 |
| cubexyz | dwm | Jun 29 00:20 |
| cubexyz | if you wanted a micro-distro that would be a good addition :) | Jun 29 00:21 |
| oiaohm | I remember why I don't use it. Keyboard alt key dominates does not agree with a lot of programs I uese. | Jun 29 00:21 |
| oiaohm | alt key to move windows lines up with alt key do a operation in blender. | Jun 29 00:22 |
| oiaohm | That is also the problem with some of the really compact wm X11 applicaitons are not design to get along with them. | Jun 29 00:22 |
| cubexyz | yeah there's no .dwmrc which is a bit of a pain | Jun 29 00:23 |
| cubexyz | one adjusts dwm by recompiling | Jun 29 00:23 |
| oiaohm | Yes processing configuration file equals more ram usage. | Jun 29 00:24 |
| oiaohm | Basically really compact wm for X11 totally lacks flexablity. | Jun 29 00:24 |
| cubexyz | what do you normally use? | Jun 29 00:25 |
| oiaohm | Normally kde | Jun 29 00:25 |
| oiaohm | But I have large ram so KDE foot print does not bother me at all. | Jun 29 00:25 |
| oiaohm | Mind you KDE memory fort print is better than Windows 8.0 and 8.1 | Jun 29 00:27 |
| oiaohm | So even the worst X11 Wm is not that horible. | Jun 29 00:27 |
| cubexyz | let me see your htop :) | Jun 29 00:27 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/icewm-htop.png | Jun 29 00:30 |
| cubexyz | comfortable with 512 meg, firefox is the biggest memory pig | Jun 29 00:31 |
| oiaohm | Please note virt is not used ammount. | Jun 29 00:33 |
| oiaohm | My plasma dekstop is reading 3.5 G virt but only 180 used. | Jun 29 00:33 |
| oiaohm | KDE really need to learn to deallocate. | Jun 29 00:34 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: I have a lot running on my system. htop shows paths to suff I should not show in public. | Jun 29 00:35 |
| cubexyz | ok, np | Jun 29 00:35 |
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| cubexyz | probably the openbsd is the most efficient | Jun 29 00:37 |
| cubexyz | openbsd box | Jun 29 00:37 |
| cubexyz | I do love those coloured tabs in konsole | Jun 29 00:38 |
| cubexyz | as you can see, I'm using parts of KDE still | Jun 29 00:38 |
| cubexyz | I thought KDE was a bit overly elaborate | Jun 29 00:39 |
| oiaohm | plasma desktop is 3512M vit 187 Res and 69180 shared | Jun 29 00:39 |
| oiaohm | And that is over 4 processes with 3 process that after kde is started never use a bit of cpu time again. | Jun 29 00:40 |
| oiaohm | kde is a true pig. | Jun 29 00:40 |
| cubexyz | did you know you can do / searches in htop, quite handy | Jun 29 00:41 |
| oiaohm | I locked htop to sort by pid | Jun 29 00:42 |
| cubexyz | l lists open files for that process | Jun 29 00:42 |
| oiaohm | The Res value is the real memory it using. | Jun 29 00:43 |
| cubexyz | efficient text/ncurses interface | Jun 29 00:43 |
| oiaohm | Over all my system only has 4.5G in use. | Jun 29 00:43 |
| oiaohm | If all the virtual was allocated I would need something like 100G | Jun 29 00:43 |
| cubexyz | is there a config file for htop? | Jun 29 00:43 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: bash alias command. | Jun 29 00:44 |
| oiaohm | To force command line option. | Jun 29 00:44 |
| cubexyz | htop --sort-key PID | Jun 29 00:45 |
| cubexyz | actually I think htop --sort-key Command might be better | Jun 29 00:46 |
| cubexyz | don't see any advantage sorting by PID | Jun 29 00:46 |
| oiaohm | PID is set because it useful when needrestart reports. | Jun 29 00:47 |
| oiaohm | Basically I have needrestart on by debian that restarts any service that is running old files and list stuff. | Jun 29 00:48 |
| oiaohm | I do like that htop supports f6 to charge the sort after you are in. | Jun 29 00:49 |
| oiaohm | My biggest memory hog is iceweasel. | Jun 29 00:49 |
| oiaohm | Followed by chrome. | Jun 29 00:49 |
| oiaohm | KDE is quite small on memory usaged compared to most browsers. | Jun 29 00:50 |
| oiaohm | Please note porting KDE applications to Windows. KDE huge memory allocations become a big problem. | Jun 29 00:50 |
| oiaohm | Because Windows really allocates everything. | Jun 29 00:50 |
| cubexyz | it's because everyone tries to do everything in the browser which is silly | Jun 29 00:51 |
| cubexyz | I have no problem download video files | Jun 29 00:52 |
| cubexyz | s/download/downloading/ | Jun 29 00:52 |
| oiaohm | OS X, Linux, BSD all can run kde applications without memory problems due to the idea of virtual allocations. | Jun 29 00:52 |
| oiaohm | Ie only give application memory when it really uses what it has asked for idea. | Jun 29 00:52 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: libreoffice uses more than KDE. | Jun 29 00:53 |
| oiaohm | KDE on a 8G system is lucky to come up to 4percent memory usage. | Jun 29 00:53 |
| oiaohm | Of course that is under Linux. | Jun 29 00:53 |
| oiaohm | Now run it under windows say ouch. | Jun 29 00:54 |
| oiaohm | Yes there is a KDE for windows project 16G of ram is kinda a bare min. | Jun 29 00:54 |
| cubexyz | good grief | Jun 29 00:54 |
| cubexyz | I think using GUIs for everything makes people dumber | Jun 29 00:56 |
| cubexyz | they can't remember the names of directories | Jun 29 00:56 |
| oiaohm | not really. you are presume people did that in the first place. | Jun 29 00:56 |
| oiaohm | I remember seeing walls and walls of paper stuck up with instructions in the dos age. | Jun 29 00:57 |
| cubexyz | well _I_ did :) | Jun 29 00:57 |
| oiaohm | So not remembering names of directories is nothing new. | Jun 29 00:57 |
| cubexyz | i still can remember most directory names | Jun 29 00:57 |
| oiaohm | I can too cubexyz | Jun 29 00:57 |
| oiaohm | But the reality we are the minority. | Jun 29 00:57 |
| oiaohm | the majority are idiots. | Jun 29 00:57 |
| oiaohm | or not interested. | Jun 29 00:58 |
| oiaohm | really like cubexyz how often do you see a password on a sticky note on a screen. | Jun 29 00:58 |
| cubexyz | surely they put it on the monitor's bezel? :) | Jun 29 00:58 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: hopefully. | Jun 29 00:59 |
| oiaohm | I have seen some just stuck in the right hand top corner because they never use that bit of the screen | Jun 29 00:59 |
| oiaohm | Those people know how to use alt f4 to close windows. | Jun 29 01:00 |
| oiaohm | or close them by the taskbar. | Jun 29 01:00 |
| cubexyz | haha | Jun 29 01:00 |
| oiaohm | GUI has not exactly made them dumber as they were not that bright in the first place. | Jun 29 01:00 |
| oiaohm | Just has reduced the ammount of office litter. | Jun 29 01:01 |
| cubexyz | the "paperless" office | Jun 29 01:02 |
| oiaohm | Part of getting to a paperless office is good GUI. | Jun 29 01:02 |
| oiaohm | Other part is making something that can store data long term as good as paper. | Jun 29 01:02 |
| oiaohm | Neither of these problems have we really solved. | Jun 29 01:03 |
| cubexyz | yes, the restoration of the Unix version 1 kernel was only possible because one guy had printed all the code | Jun 29 01:03 |
| cubexyz | m-disc claims it will last 1000 years | Jun 29 01:05 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: will the drive? | Jun 29 01:05 |
| cubexyz | no doubt it :) | Jun 29 01:05 |
| cubexyz | I doubt it | Jun 29 01:05 |
| cubexyz | no way | Jun 29 01:05 |
| oiaohm | Really I think bar codes printed on paper compacting the data could be the way forwards. | Jun 29 01:05 |
| oiaohm | Ok it would be hard for a human to read manually but it would not be impossible. | Jun 29 01:06 |
| cubexyz | I doubt it would last 20 years | Jun 29 01:06 |
| cubexyz | none of my cdroms from the early 1990s still work | Jun 29 01:06 |
| oiaohm | I have one cdrom drive from 1994 that works. | Jun 29 01:07 |
| cubexyz | I haven't had any success fixing cdrom drives either | Jun 29 01:08 |
| oiaohm | That is out of 400 | Jun 29 01:08 |
| cubexyz | ok, but is it a burner? | Jun 29 01:08 |
| cubexyz | those don't last too long | Jun 29 01:08 |
| oiaohm | No its only a reader. | Jun 29 01:08 |
| oiaohm | This was a drive that was used for 10+ years before being taken out of service. | Jun 29 01:08 |
| cubexyz | so they have stopped making ide drives, I'm a bit screwed | Jun 29 01:09 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Jun 29 01:09 |
| oiaohm | There are converts that convert from ide to sata and sata to ide. | Jun 29 01:09 |
| cubexyz | my Amiga needs SCSI 50 pin | Jun 29 01:09 |
| cubexyz | but I think there's some CF thing that can be converted | Jun 29 01:10 |
| cubexyz | people aren't thinking long term, it's 4 years then dump it | Jun 29 01:10 |
| oiaohm | There is a SCSI 80 pin to sata | Jun 29 01:11 |
| oiaohm | Yes you can use a cable from SCSI 50 to 80pin | Jun 29 01:11 |
| oiaohm | sata dvd /bluray drives access scsi commands. | Jun 29 01:12 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I do a bit of making some of these odd machines work using modern hardware so they can be used on display. | Jun 29 01:12 |
| oiaohm | Yes you don't want to be wearing the collectable drives. | Jun 29 01:12 |
| oiaohm | There are horible things as solid state floppy drive emulators. | Jun 29 01:14 |
| oiaohm | So some of the collectable display machines set up if you turned up with a real historic floppy disc for the machine you would find you could not use it as they don't have the drive. | Jun 29 01:14 |
| cubexyz | "Premininary Unix Implementation Document June 1972" it was | Jun 29 01:16 |
| cubexyz | that was printed out | Jun 29 01:16 |
| cubexyz | T. R. Bashkow | Jun 29 01:16 |
| cubexyz | worthy of rememberance | Jun 29 01:16 |
| oiaohm | I have to get going. | Jun 29 01:17 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Is Google the New Microsoft? | Jun 29 03:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/IomExoTLis (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jun 29 03:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/mycsp | Jun 29 03:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Is Google the New Microsoft? | Tux Machines | Jun 29 03:07 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Meet Nova OS, Cuba's National Ubuntu-Based | Jun 29 04:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Operating System http://t.co/W0Um2YJGSx | Jun 29 04:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jun 29 04:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/myd7y | Jun 29 04:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Meet Nova OS, Cuba's National Ubuntu-Based Linux Operating System | Tux Machines | Jun 29 04:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tiny Core 6.1 Raspberry Pi Edition Comes with | Jun 29 04:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Kernel 3.18.10 LTS http://t.co/pvMZwq9ooD | Jun 29 04:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jun 29 04:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tiny Core 6.1 Raspberry Pi Edition Comes with Linux Kernel 3.18.10 LTS | Tux Machines | Jun 29 04:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/myd81 | Jun 29 04:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LINUX, RUBY AND WEB CODING LAB FOR GRADUATE | Jun 29 04:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | TRAINEES OPENS AT SCI-BONO | Jun 29 04:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/UsDEJIerA5 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jun 29 04:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/myd84 | Jun 29 04:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LINUX, RUBY AND WEB CODING LAB FOR GRADUATE TRAINEES OPENS AT SCI-BONO | Tux Machines | Jun 29 04:05 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Galicia publishes open source tools | Jun 29 07:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/3Y8nDmVAcd (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jun 29 07:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/myesl | Jun 29 07:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Galicia publishes open source tools | Tux Machines | Jun 29 07:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus Gets Daily ISOs, Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS, | Jun 29 07:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and More http://t.co/jXvo3fijnh | Jun 29 07:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jun 29 07:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Solus Gets Daily ISOs, Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS, and More | Tux Machines | Jun 29 07:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/myesm | Jun 29 07:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Aragon publishes updates of eGovernment | Jun 29 07:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | software http://t.co/qByVrX5ZPX | Jun 29 07:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jun 29 07:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Aragon publishes updates of eGovernment software | Tux Machines | Jun 29 07:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/myesn | Jun 29 07:21 |
| roy__ | > | Jun 29 07:35 |
| roy__ | > http://fossforce.com/2015/06/is-google-the-new-microsoft/ | Jun 29 07:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Is Google the New Microsoft? | FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/myex2 ] | Jun 29 07:35 | |
| roy__ | > | Jun 29 07:35 |
| roy__ | > Revisionism especially that closing sentence. People hate M$ not for | Jun 29 07:35 |
| roy__ | > the sake of hating M$ but because of how it (and its people) behaves and | Jun 29 07:35 |
| roy__ | > has behaved. It has held computing back at least 20 years and the | Jun 29 07:35 |
| roy__ | > damage spreads into all domains where desktop computers are used. | Jun 29 07:35 |
| roy__ | I don't want to pick on Christine because she has been kind to us and we usually agree with her. She also defended DRM and other nasty things at times, but diversity of opinion sometimes needs to be tolerated. | Jun 29 07:35 |
| oiaohm | Google has the possiblity of being the next Microsofit but Google is not getting their own way all the time with OEMs | Jun 29 07:41 |
| cubexyz | there's more diversity now | Jun 29 07:50 |
| cubexyz | there used to be Commodore/Atari/Radio Shack/etc | Jun 29 07:50 |
| cubexyz | we're going back to a more diverse ecosystem | Jun 29 07:50 |
| oiaohm | Reality a large percentage of the commodore/atari/Radio shack/etc was fake diversety. | Jun 29 07:51 |
| oiaohm | People forget how often those machines were Microsoft basic. | Jun 29 07:51 |
| cubexyz | z80/68000/6502/286 | Jun 29 07:52 |
| roy__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6282326 | Jun 29 07:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #SandsCasino and #SheldonAdelson are "job creators" in the same sense that Pharaoh was. Building useless vanity for self indulgence. | Jun 29 07:53 | |
| roy__ | "guess with enough money you're entitled to some Pharaoh complex, helps them contrast their memento mori - at least he went "all in" and finished it." | Jun 29 07:53 |
| cubexyz | amigados, xenix, msdos, gem, etc | Jun 29 07:53 |
| roy__ | Maybe he wants to be buried there, or cremated like the tyrant of singapore whom he supported, then preserved in some pot in the casino... | Jun 29 07:53 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: xenix is microsoft. gem form memory was on top of MSdos. | Jun 29 07:54 |
| cubexyz | no one was using microsoft basic on amiga oiaohm | Jun 29 07:54 |
| cubexyz | it sucked | Jun 29 07:54 |
| roy__ | today I heard about someone from Microsoft dumped .NET | Jun 29 07:54 |
| roy__ | moving to C++ | Jun 29 07:54 |
| cubexyz | GEM was digital research | Jun 29 07:54 |
| roy__ | perhaps Microsoft too realises that C# is rubbish | Jun 29 07:54 |
| roy__ | and will pay more for people who do C++ | Jun 29 07:54 |
| cubexyz | hardly fair to call it a Microsoft product | Jun 29 07:54 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaBASIC | Jun 29 07:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | AmigaBASIC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Jun 29 07:55 | |
| cubexyz | sysv xenix was SCO by that time | Jun 29 07:55 |
| cubexyz | microsoft product no longer | Jun 29 07:55 |
| cubexyz | and the true originator was Bell Labs | Jun 29 07:56 |
| cubexyz | not Microsoft | Jun 29 07:56 |
| cubexyz | Microsoft merely licensed Unix v7 | Jun 29 07:56 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenix Xenix brand is Microsoft. | Jun 29 07:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Xenix - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Jun 29 07:57 | |
| oiaohm | SCO licensed right to distrubite it for a while before making their own. | Jun 29 07:57 |
| oiaohm | The reality is back then cubexyz Microsoft was a lot more diversified company. | Jun 29 08:00 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft is slowly becoming a 1 trick pony. | Jun 29 08:00 |
| cubexyz | I'm not saying Xenix was all that great | Jun 29 08:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Garry's Mod and Rust Dev Say Linux Is a Second | Jun 29 08:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Class Citizen http://t.co/THDectGolx | Jun 29 08:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Garry's Mod and Rust Dev Say Linux Is a Second Class Citizen - Softpedia | Jun 29 08:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Jun 29 08:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/myf4x | Jun 29 08:00 |
| cubexyz | closed source and all that | Jun 29 08:00 |
| cubexyz | Xenix was never a microsoft thing when I was using it | Jun 29 08:01 |
| cubexyz | they bailed out to work on OS/2 with IBM, then bailed out on OS/2 | Jun 29 08:02 |
| roy__ | https://twitter.com/Reconquista1970/status/615491388478726144 | Jun 29 08:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Reconquista1970: @schestowitz After the events of last week, what we badly need is more,"Mosques". | Jun 29 08:06 | |
| roy__ | That's not the core issue, I guess, they can build their mosque in another place, not in the same site as a to-be-demolished church | Jun 29 08:07 |
| cubexyz | it's interesting that Gates was blah blah blahing at Unix Expo and never mentioned Linux once | Jun 29 08:09 |
| cubexyz | but i know Linux was starting to hit Universities in 1994 | Jun 29 08:09 |
| oiaohm | Unix conferences Linux was not to be mentioned to at least year 2000. | Jun 29 08:10 |
| oiaohm | Please not BSD was also in that camp of not talk about. | Jun 29 08:10 |
| cubexyz | ha | Jun 29 08:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "The statistics collection feature of | Jun 29 08:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | KActivities is slowly becoming a core part of | Jun 29 08:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Plasma." http://t.co/9WNtQPzWlw (cukic.co) | Jun 29 08:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cukic.co | Ivan Čukić | "Private browsing mode" for activities | Jun 29 08:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/myf92 | Jun 29 08:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus Gets Daily ISOs, Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS, | Jun 29 08:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and More http://t.co/OEg5wRKYi3 | Jun 29 08:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Solus Gets Daily ISOs, Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS, and More - Softpedia | Jun 29 08:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Jun 29 08:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/myf93 | Jun 29 08:12 |
| cubexyz | pretty sure I saw RedHat 5.2 retail box in stores | Jun 29 08:12 |
| cubexyz | november 1998 | Jun 29 08:12 |
| cubexyz | so it was definitely around | Jun 29 08:12 |
| cubexyz | and I'll prove that I had freebsd back in 1995: | Jun 29 08:13 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/freebsd-1995.jpeg | Jun 29 08:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Samsung sells a million Tizen Z1 Smartphones in | Jun 29 08:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | less than six months, more models coming soon | Jun 29 08:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/rdDeqQxEId (www.tizenexperts.com) | Jun 29 08:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/myf9x | Jun 29 08:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Samsung sells a million Tizen Z1 Smartphones in less than six months, more models coming soon - Tizen Experts | Jun 29 08:14 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Introducing the Default Wallpapers of the GNOME | Jun 29 08:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 3.18 Desktop Environment http://t.co/NWtvUOMG9D | Jun 29 08:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Introducing the Default Wallpapers of the GNOME 3.18 Desktop Environment - Softpedia | Jun 29 08:14 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linux.softpedia.com) | Jun 29 08:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/myf9y | Jun 29 08:14 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @EnvReddit favourited 'Introducing the Default Wallpapers of the GNOME 3.18...' | Jun 29 08:14 | |
| cubexyz | Minix, BeOS, FreeBSD, Yggdrasil Linux, etc | Jun 29 08:14 |
| roy__ | https://twitter.com/Reconquista1970/status/615493077575278592 | Jun 29 08:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Reconquista1970: @schestowitz It is a core issue, they've been building on top of ruined Churches for centuries, nothing's changed. | Jun 29 08:15 | |
| roy__ | https://twitter.com/Reconquista1970/status/615493494623367168 | Jun 29 08:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Reconquista1970: @schestowitz My concern is more the proliferation of Mosques and concern with who's financing them. | Jun 29 08:15 | |
| roy__ | Not hard to guess | Jun 29 08:15 |
| roy__ | https://twitter.com/Reconquista1970/status/615493784953073664 | Jun 29 08:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Reconquista1970: @schestowitz If the C of E didn't sell out to the very people who wish their demise, we wouldn't be having this conversation. | Jun 29 08:16 | |
| cubexyz | I'm a bit embarrassed I didn't use it more back then | Jun 29 08:17 |
| cubexyz | I was too busy trying to fix crashing win95 boxes | Jun 29 08:17 |
| cubexyz | didn't morph into a Unix traditionalist until a lot later | Jun 29 08:18 |
| cubexyz | here's a rough chronology: | Jun 29 08:19 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: What beastie does with the pancake? | Jun 29 08:19 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/unix-timeline.txt | Jun 29 08:19 |
| cubexyz | not sure exactly what that's supposed to be | Jun 29 08:20 |
| XRevan86 | floating pancake that illuminates in beastie's eyes | Jun 29 08:20 |
| cubexyz | it's the BSD Daemon with a puff of smoke or something | Jun 29 08:21 |
| XRevan86 | There is a type of shoes called "kedi" in Russian (wikipedia says it comes from "Keds" brand) | Jun 29 08:23 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I find that Beastie wears kedi. | Jun 29 08:24 |
| cubexyz | all the foss OS mascots: | Jun 29 08:25 |
| XRevan86 | Which is noticable because KDE. | Jun 29 08:25 |
| cubexyz | http://i.stack.imgur.com/rfBgZ.png | Jun 29 08:25 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: "Darwin" now qualifies as true FOSS? | Jun 29 08:26 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: that picture is a little old. | Jun 29 08:26 |
| cubexyz | isn't it mostly FOSS or something? | Jun 29 08:27 |
| oiaohm | The XRevan86 darwin like logo you are seeing is opendarwin | Jun 29 08:27 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It is. It just doesn't go into FOSS spirit, you know :). | Jun 29 08:27 |
| oiaohm | Yes OS X kernel with a X11 envornement. | Jun 29 08:27 |
| oiaohm | In otherwords horible. | Jun 29 08:27 |
| cubexyz | X needs a mascot :) | Jun 29 08:28 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Isn't it a bit too late? :) | Jun 29 08:31 |
| XRevan86 | I wonder whether Oracle Solaris Express is still alive. | Jun 29 08:36 |
| XRevan86 | or better to say, truly alive | Jun 29 08:36 |
| XRevan86 | I somehow suspect Oracle doesn't want it anymore. | Jun 29 08:36 |
| XRevan86 | (in either way, I don't understand the users of Oracle Solaris) | Jun 29 08:36 |
| cubexyz | it went closed source from what I understand | Jun 29 08:39 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It did, yeah. | Jun 29 08:39 |
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| cubexyz | Sun was mailing out free Solaris 10 DVDs for a while back in 2006 | Jun 29 08:40 |
| XRevan86 | Canonical was mailing out free Ubuntu for a while :). | Jun 29 08:41 |
| cubexyz | yes I got one :) | Jun 29 08:41 |
| XRevan86 | I didn't. I didn't realize the offer is limited %). | Jun 29 08:41 |
| XRevan86 | At least I have a CD with SUSE Linux 10 :). | Jun 29 08:43 |
| XRevan86 | Not an official one: it was OEM'ed with one of the PC's. | Jun 29 08:43 |
| XRevan86 | I didn't realize I have it until 6 years later so it was a nice surprise. | Jun 29 08:48 |
| XRevan86 | or maybe 8 years later | Jun 29 08:48 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm, cubexyz: What OS do you both use right now? :) | Jun 29 08:50 |
| cubexyz | I use a bunch of different ones | Jun 29 08:50 |
| cubexyz | this is openbsd I'm ircing on | Jun 29 08:50 |
| cubexyz | I also use vectorlinux (slack based), AntiX, FC1, Fedora 14, Fedora 16, and I work on improving Unix v5 a fair bit | Jun 29 08:51 |
| cubexyz | Basic Linux 3.5 on low memory systems, e.g. 16 megs of ram | Jun 29 08:52 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: What's the point of VectorLinux? | Jun 29 08:53 |
| cubexyz | it's my KDE 3.5.10 box, no big reason | Jun 29 08:54 |
| cubexyz | sort of a middle-weight Linux | Jun 29 08:55 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Why do you have so many old Fedora's? | Jun 29 08:56 |
| cubexyz | I used to have more :) | Jun 29 08:57 |
| cubexyz | I got back into Linux with Redhat 8 | Jun 29 08:57 |
| cubexyz | and I have a lot of old computers | Jun 29 08:57 |
| cubexyz | I keep them for testing stuff | Jun 29 08:58 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Well, you can install something modern there, right? | Jun 29 08:58 |
| cubexyz | I'm installing openbsd 5.7 on a box now actually | Jun 29 08:59 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: my core is Debian with KDE window manager. But that is not the only OS I run. | Jun 29 09:00 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Only kwin? | Jun 29 09:00 |
| oiaohm | I have all the other KDE stuff like plasma ... | Jun 29 09:01 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I was thinking about Debian, void linux, Arch and all that stuff when I wrote that message :). | Jun 29 09:01 |
| cubexyz | in some ways Unix v5 is the most educational | Jun 29 09:02 |
| cubexyz | you're forced to learn a lot | Jun 29 09:02 |
| cubexyz | stdio? nope | Jun 29 09:02 |
| oiaohm | My current debian is a mix between stable testing and sid. | Jun 29 09:03 |
| XRevan86 | Fedora was the most educational to me. I learned that I don't want to know anything about it. | Jun 29 09:03 |
| oiaohm | Also my machine image last clean install was 1998 | Jun 29 09:03 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, what are you using again? | Jun 29 09:03 |
| cubexyz | I know you told me but I've forgotten | Jun 29 09:03 |
| oiaohm | Lets just say for my core computer I don't change OS's much. | Jun 29 09:03 |
| oiaohm | I upgrade but not change. | Jun 29 09:04 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: openSUSE on my laptop, void linux on a stationary and Debian on a VPS. | Jun 29 09:04 |
| XRevan86 | Laptop is the main PC for me. | Jun 29 09:04 |
| oiaohm | My next motherboard with all the EFI changes I will at long last have todo a proper install. | Jun 29 09:04 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Set "Legacy BIOS" in it, boot Debian and then start reading Arch Wiki if you want UEFI :). | Jun 29 09:05 |
| XRevan86 | That's kind of how I moved to UEFI when I had upgraded BIOS on my laptop. | Jun 29 09:06 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: Not exactly. | Jun 29 09:06 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: It's UEFI-forced somehow? | Jun 29 09:06 |
| oiaohm | the newer EFI allows firmware updating from Linux. | Jun 29 09:06 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Um, I guess. But how does that change the procedure? | Jun 29 09:07 |
| oiaohm | https://blogs.intel.com/evangelists/2015/06/23/better-firmware-updates-in-linux-using-uefi-capsules/ | Jun 29 09:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.intel.com | Better Firmware Updates in Linux using UEFI Capsules - Intel Software and Services [ http://ur1.ca/myfs5 ] | Jun 29 09:08 | |
| oiaohm | EFI 2.5 support using uefi capsules to update the firmware. No dropping out to dos | Jun 29 09:08 |
| XRevan86 | > Set "Legacy BIOS" in BIOS setup (to boot from MBR), boot Debian as is from HDD/SSD, start the webbrowser and then start reading Arch Wiki if you want UEFI :). | Jun 29 09:08 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: EFI capsules require you in EFI mode. | Jun 29 09:09 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: And so you can transform the existing system to UEFI. | Jun 29 09:10 |
| oiaohm | Its when I change my motherboard. | Jun 29 09:10 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Right. | Jun 29 09:10 |
| oiaohm | My install might be 1998 old but by system is not. | Jun 29 09:10 |
| oiaohm | Basically My OS has transfered from computer to computer. | Jun 29 09:11 |
| XRevan86 | I'm just saying it doesn't require reinstallation effort. | Jun 29 09:11 |
| oiaohm | Stack of things are wrong. | Jun 29 09:11 |
| oiaohm | My Linux is partition as per 1998 best prac | Jun 29 09:11 |
| oiaohm | That is highly not friendly. | Jun 29 09:12 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Well, even repartitioning doesn't require reinstallation :). | Jun 29 09:12 |
| *XRevan86 doesn't like reinstallations. | Jun 29 09:12 | |
| oiaohm | Also I guess I have some collected crud. | Jun 29 09:12 |
| XRevan86 | LiveCD + external drive bigger than the internal one. | Jun 29 09:12 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: aptitude search '~i!~M' + cruft | Jun 29 09:13 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Debian gives everything one needs to have everything under control without the need to ever reinstall :). | Jun 29 09:14 |
| XRevan86 | autoinstalled packages can be listed the similiar way: '~i~M' | Jun 29 09:15 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: aptitude search '~i!~M' gives a list of packages that you manually had installed. | Jun 29 09:16 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: really 1 reinstall after 15 years of usage is not much. | Jun 29 09:17 |
| oiaohm | Compare to how many Windows users do. | Jun 29 09:17 |
| XRevan86 | if you see the package that shouldn't be installed manually (a dependency), just do "aptitude markauto $PACKAGE" | Jun 29 09:17 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Then you reinstall, backup data, restore data, resort data, reconfigure all the stuff. | Jun 29 09:18 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: you have listed why I have put it off for 15+ years. | Jun 29 09:19 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: And you can put it off for 15 more :). | Jun 29 09:20 |
| XRevan86 | I see no reason you need to reinstall, just clean it up a bit | Jun 29 09:20 |
| oiaohm | I would not exactly say a bit. | Jun 29 09:20 |
| XRevan86 | or not a bit, it doesn't matter: aptitude markauto can process multiple arguments :) | Jun 29 09:20 |
| oiaohm | I have a lot of depreated stuff | Jun 29 09:21 |
| XRevan86 | and rm too | Jun 29 09:21 |
| oiaohm | I am just to the point the system need a good house clean. | Jun 29 09:21 |
| oiaohm | Of course I will put it off to when I have to change configuration for EFI. | Jun 29 09:21 |
| XRevan86 | https://packages.debian.org/sid/cruft | Jun 29 09:21 |
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| oiaohm | XRevan86: craft currently lists over 15G of stuff. | Jun 29 09:22 |
| oiaohm | As I say my system over 15 years has got a bit of a mess | Jun 29 09:23 |
| MinceR | i don't think i kept any PC for 15 years | Jun 29 09:23 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Remove the stuff from the list that you need (and stuff that got into the stuff by cruft flaws) | Jun 29 09:23 |
| XRevan86 | and then remove it all | Jun 29 09:23 |
| MinceR | in use, anyway | Jun 29 09:24 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its not exactly 15 years in use. | Jun 29 09:24 |
| XRevan86 | and one last thing: aptitude download $(dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}') | Jun 29 09:24 |
| XRevan86 | I didn't bother to find out a better way to get a list of orphaned packages :) | Jun 29 09:24 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I have just been transfering my OS from compuer to computer. | Jun 29 09:25 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so the harddrive and motherboard that it started on I got rid of in 2004 and I have replaced it again in 2010 | Jun 29 09:25 |
| oiaohm | And sometime this year or next replace hardware again. | Jun 29 09:25 |
| oiaohm | About every 6 years or so I have perfomrance reasons to change over hardware. | Jun 29 09:26 |
| MinceR | i never did that | Jun 29 09:26 |
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| MinceR | though i'm thinking of putting most of my environment in a VM, that would be easy to clone/transplant | Jun 29 09:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I am a custom builder. | Jun 29 09:27 |
| MinceR | i mostly use laptops | Jun 29 09:27 |
| oiaohm | So lot of times my parts are build from parts customers order and pay for then decide they have changed mind. | Jun 29 09:27 |
| oiaohm | Laptops are a prick | Jun 29 09:28 |
| MinceR | yes, but at least they're portable | Jun 29 09:29 |
| oiaohm | I had a nice mill case for a while. | Jun 29 09:32 |
| oiaohm | Use to be fun as it was computer with intergrated desk in case. | Jun 29 09:33 |
| oiaohm | Took stock parts. | Jun 29 09:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Atop, when you need to know exactly what's happening at the system-resource level http://t.co/MSeNkudvJp #atop #linux | Jun 29 17:06 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@accessnow: Heard of the monster EU-US trade deal TTIP? Here are 7 things you need to know #infographic http://t.co/nNuUMbTLib | Jun 29 17:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: Espionnage Élysée - https://t.co/29km71ITNZ why pretending EU's #TTIP negotiating position is "secret" is absurd: NSA already has it all | Jun 29 17:07 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wire.kubuntu.org | Video review of KDE Plasma 5 from Nerd on the Street | Kubuntu Wire | Jun 29 19:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Kernel 4.2 Should Be Bigger (In Commits) Than | Jun 29 19:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | The Previous Two Kernel Versions (4.1 And 4.0) | Jun 29 19:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net | Kernel 4.2 Should Be Bigger (In Commits) Than The Previous Two Kernel Versions (4.1 And 4.0) | LinuxG.net | Jun 29 19:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How KDE VDG Is Trying To Make Open-Source | Jun 29 19:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Software Beautiful http://t.co/blnCAmtefh | Jun 29 19:24 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Aria2 Vs Wget – Choose your Download Manager | Jun 29 19:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Aria2 Vs Wget – Choose your Download Manager | Tux Machines | Jun 29 19:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open source COM version of BeagleBone Black | Jun 29 19:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | hits Kickstarter http://t.co/j8vrWHXCMs | Jun 29 19:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open source COM version of BeagleBone Black hits Kickstarter | Tux Machines | Jun 29 19:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: KDE Software http://t.co/RuF9O4C8LY | Jun 29 19:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: KDE Software | Tux Machines | Jun 29 19:38 | |
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| cubexyz | openbsd 5.7 comes with fvwm as default | Jun 29 23:37 |
| cubexyz | I got to say it's a crap choice | Jun 29 23:37 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: fvwm vs cde. Note cde has been a unix tradition for a long time. | Jun 29 23:59 |
| cubexyz | at least put icewm on there | Jun 29 23:59 |
| cubexyz | fvwm is just painful | Jun 29 23:59 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: have you used cde | Jun 30 00:00 |
| cubexyz | I don't think so | Jun 30 00:00 |
| oiaohm | There are something Unix old timers should not choose. | Jun 30 00:00 |
| cubexyz | maybe on Ultrix? | Jun 30 00:00 |
| oiaohm | The Windows manager. | Jun 30 00:00 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: modern cde looks like xfce | Jun 30 00:01 |
| oiaohm | Old cde looks and acts very much like fvwm | Jun 30 00:02 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Desktop_Environment cubexyz CDE I what the Unix world decide was a good desktop envornment. | Jun 30 00:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Common Desktop Environment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/myni7 ] | Jun 30 00:03 | |
| oiaohm | You can fairly much see the Linux world really did not agree. | Jun 30 00:03 |
| oiaohm | With KDE, Gnome and many others. | Jun 30 00:03 |
| cubexyz | is there CDE for Linux? | Jun 30 00:05 |
| cubexyz | I really like icewm though | Jun 30 00:06 |
| cubexyz | I've tried almost everything | Jun 30 00:06 |
| cubexyz | CDE looks rather like KDE 1.0 | Jun 30 00:11 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FVWM Has a lot of good decentants. I hope they were at least using FVWM-XPM | Jun 30 00:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | FVWM - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Jun 30 00:12 | |
| oiaohm | http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/SupportedPlatforms/ cubexyz cde is build from source | Jun 30 00:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sourceforge.net | CDE - Common Desktop Environment / Wiki / SupportedPlatforms [ http://ur1.ca/mynl3 ] | Jun 30 00:12 | |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, it's just when Thompson wrote the Thompson Shell, and a bunch of other people improved on it: mashey shell, bourne shell, lots of others | Jun 30 00:13 |
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| cubexyz | finally got tinywm working : | Jun 30 01:10 |
| cubexyz | such a silly issue with tinywm-session | Jun 30 01:10 |
| cubexyz | so minimal I love it | Jun 30 01:11 |
| cubexyz | feel the minimalism: | Jun 30 01:17 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/tinywm-1.3.png | Jun 30 01:17 |
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| MinceR | cubexyz: fvwm is great | Jun 30 09:09 |
| cubexyz | what's great about it? | Jun 30 09:09 |
| MinceR | it's very flexible | Jun 30 09:11 |
| cubexyz | the openbsd guys seem to like it, it's the default window manager | Jun 30 09:14 |
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| cubexyz | it defaults to a very tiny font though | Jun 30 09:18 |
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| XRevan86 | http://newsru.com/world/30jun2015/sorcery.html ISIS kills two women accusing them in witchcraft. | Jun 30 15:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-newsru.com | NEWSru.com :: " " , [ http://ur1.ca/myvy3 ] | Jun 30 15:59 | |
| XRevan86 | Witchcraft. Seriously!? | Jun 30 15:59 |
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| MinceR | welcome to the dark ages! | Jun 30 16:46 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I didn't miss them. | Jun 30 16:50 |
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| XRevan86 | ISIS guys really should make a public poll: "Whether you do or do not the ressurection of dark ages? [Y/n/R U mad?]" | Jun 30 16:51 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter, they're coming back. | Jun 30 16:53 |
| XRevan86 | I'm very tired and didn't sleep last night properly, sorry for my sentences. | Jun 30 16:53 |
| MinceR | both the fundies and the oligarchs want them back | Jun 30 16:54 |
| MinceR | fundie oligarchs more so; fundie dictators most of all. | Jun 30 16:54 |
| XRevan86 | Do populists qualify as fundie dictators? | Jun 30 16:59 |
| MinceR | dunno, i certainly know about at least one fundie dictator who is also a populist | Jun 30 16:59 |
| MinceR | or at least used to be | Jun 30 16:59 |
| MinceR | i wonder what he'll do once he figures out that even the fans of his party tend to oppose his ban on shops being open on sundays | Jun 30 17:00 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Wow, that's stupid. | Jun 30 17:01 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jun 30 17:01 |
| MinceR | but it comes naturally with christian fundamentalism | Jun 30 17:01 |
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| XRevan86 | christian fundamentalism becomes rational to a person if be believes in the | Jun 30 17:02 |
| XRevan86 | righteousness of christian ways | Jun 30 17:02 |
| XRevan86 | Where there's christians, there are fundamentalists | Jun 30 17:02 |
| MinceR | myth. not even once. | Jun 30 17:03 |
| XRevan86 | s/christian/$RELIGION_GUY/ | Jun 30 17:03 |
| MinceR | http://weloveatheism.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/V89sgYj.jpg | Jun 30 17:03 |
| XRevan86 | My point is: religion ways are fady and reviewing them in the ways human want is like admitting they mean literally nothing. | Jun 30 17:05 |
| XRevan86 | And religious people don't like to admit that => fundamentalism is an answer for them. | Jun 30 17:05 |
| XRevan86 | I was trying to remember the word: integrity. | Jun 30 17:09 |
| XRevan86 | I see it like that fundamentalists try to find integrity in their religion. | Jun 30 17:10 |
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| DaemonFC | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/06/op-ed-safari-is-the-new-internet-explorer/ | Jun 30 17:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Op-ed: Safari is the new Internet Explorer | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/mywob ] | Jun 30 17:15 | |
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| MinceR | unfortunately, there's also an old internet explorer | Jun 30 17:24 |
| MinceR | >Microsoft is repentant these days | Jun 30 17:55 |
| MinceR | typical arse technica bullshit | Jun 30 17:55 |
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| roy__ | https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/616002885495713792 | Jun 30 18:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz nice post. The only challenge with completely switching is the fear of losing investments in paid #Windows software #flstudio | Jun 30 18:02 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: To be fair, I have tried their new Edge browser. It *is* superior to Safari, although that isn't saying much. | Jun 30 18:15 |
| MinceR | ah yes, the new name of IE | Jun 30 18:15 |
| MinceR | like their "new" search engine, windows live search | Jun 30 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | Not exactly. Edge is a distinctly different browser. | Jun 30 18:16 |
| MinceR | oh, i'm sure it's different | Jun 30 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | It sheds a lot of backwards compatibility junk and it's faster and more standards compliant. | Jun 30 18:16 |
| MinceR | just like the tcp/ip stack in vista was "totally rewritten" | Jun 30 18:16 |
| MinceR | it just happened to have the exact same bugs. | Jun 30 18:16 |
| MinceR | totally accidental. | Jun 30 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | It's possible that it was rewritten and had some of the same bugs, by design. | Jun 30 18:17 |
| MinceR | yeah | Jun 30 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | For applications that were written to expect them and break without them. | Jun 30 18:18 |
| MinceR | it's also possible that instead of paying some developers to write new code, they paid some artists to come up with a new name and logo | Jun 30 18:18 |
| MinceR | and a new skin for the ui | Jun 30 18:18 |
| MinceR | and pay some "journalists" to spread the word. | Jun 30 18:18 |
| MinceR | and flipped a few switches in the code, maybe | Jun 30 18:18 |
| MinceR | how many times has m$ have to lie blatantly for people to catch up to the fact that they never tell the truth? | Jun 30 18:19 |
| roy__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6286260 | Jun 30 18:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: OpenBSD from a veteran Linux user perspective http://cfenollosa.com/blog/openbsd-from-a-veteran-linux-user-perspective.html #openbsd #bsd #unix #security | Jun 30 18:26 | |
| roy__ | " | Jun 30 18:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> cfenollosa.com | OpenBSD from a veteran Linux user perspective [ http://ur1.ca/myxez ] | Jun 30 18:26 | |
| roy__ | "In a few years we've gone from /etc/init.d/sshd restart to service sshd restart to systemctl start sshd." | Jun 30 18:26 |
| roy__ | I'll miss this part now that I'm a DBA. | Jun 30 18:26 |
| roy__ | " | Jun 30 18:26 |
| roy__ | " | Jun 30 18:27 |
| roy__ | "it's the price of progress, aimed to make computers boot faster" | Jun 30 18:27 |
| roy__ | Sure. | Jun 30 18:27 |
| roy__ | " | Jun 30 18:27 |
| roy__ | "I really like systemd. It provides a consistent interface to all services." | Jun 30 18:27 |
| roy__ | "I think it's a nice piece of blogpost - My first little steps with OpenBSD have not been long time ago - also with 5.7 - it feels a bit strange without procFS, but I think it's a nice operating system. I've had a little problem with ncurses, what I couldn't solve so I decided to install something else on that old ppc-machine. And yes, the man pages are great. I've been reading them and somewhen I realised that night was already very over (04:10 | Jun 30 18:27 |
| roy__ | am) ... I have been absorded in reading man pages that night :D" | Jun 30 18:27 |
| roy__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6286931 | Jun 30 18:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Linux #Kernel 4.1.1 Is Now the Most Stable and Advanced Version Available http://news.softpedia.com/news/linux-kernel-4-1-1-is-now-the-most-stable-and-advanced-version-available-485637.shtml | Jun 30 18:28 | |
| roy__ | "kinda wish to see some headlines like "Linux kernel now improve battery life significantly"" | Jun 30 18:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 4.1.1 Is Now the Most Stable and Advanced Version Available - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/myxfg ] | Jun 30 18:28 | |
| roy__ | "https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6286931" | Jun 30 18:28 |
| roy__ | "^ +1" | Jun 30 18:28 |
| roy__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6282074 | Jun 30 18:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "can’t be screenshot, saved or forwarded, and the app’s servers are wiped daily to avoid being targeted by hackers." http://www.heraldsun.com.au/technology/techknow/aussie-dads-fight-back-against-revenge-porn-and-sexting-by-making-safe-app-for-sharing-nude-photos/story-fni0byfl-1227417816014 | Jun 30 18:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.heraldsun.com.au | No Cookies | Herald Sun [ http://ur1.ca/mydls ] | Jun 30 18:29 | |
| roy__ | "and for trophy swapping. I wonder how long it takes 20 something interns to get bored of it." | Jun 30 18:29 |
| roy__ | "porn-viewing rooms? Are they private booths with a box of kleenex conveniently supplied?" | Jun 30 18:29 |
| roy__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6289863 | Jun 30 18:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: XFS Will Get DAX Support In The Linux 4.2 Kernel http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=XFS-Linux-4.2-DAX-And-More | Jun 30 18:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.phoronix.com | XFS Will Get DAX Support In The Linux 4.2 Kernel - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/myxga ] | Jun 30 18:30 | |
| roy__ | "Are there still Reiser FS user?" | Jun 30 18:30 |
| MinceR | make computers boot into an infinite umount attempt loop faster | Jun 30 18:35 |
| MinceR | make computers boot faster by forgetting to start some services randomly | Jun 30 18:36 |
| MinceR | make computers boot faster by not waiting for fsck to finish | Jun 30 18:36 |
| gde33 | MinceR: I thought it was sad express gate doesnt boot in the background | Jun 30 18:49 |
| gde33 | you could have many layers of booting | Jun 30 18:49 |
| MinceR | many layers of screwing up | Jun 30 18:49 |
| gde33 | thats ok, as long as the final version has all the features | Jun 30 18:50 |
| gde33 | if I just want a web browser it is madly annoying to wait for ages | Jun 30 18:50 |
| gde33 | you have to reap the fruits of a thought in the moment not 10 seconds later | Jun 30 18:50 |
| gde33 | for websites a delay of more than 0.2 costs visitors and ruins click though rate | Jun 30 18:51 |
| gde33 | the web shit is comming from the other end of the world | Jun 30 18:51 |
| MinceR | funny they should use such a bloated "standard" then | Jun 30 18:52 |
| gde33 | yeah its terrible | Jun 30 18:52 |
| gde33 | the old skool instant on + tape streamer was faster than modern boot loaders | Jun 30 18:52 |
| gde33 | the core issue is that people are small thinkers | Jun 30 18:53 |
| gde33 | small thinkers have no respect for big ideas, they wont support them | Jun 30 18:54 |
| MinceR | to me it looks more like the core issue is that people are stupid | Jun 30 18:54 |
| gde33 | lack of vision is a kind of stupid | Jun 30 18:54 |
| MinceR | they're mesmerized by shiny new crap and don't care for stuff that works | Jun 30 18:54 |
| gde33 | being against everything is also a kind of stupid | Jun 30 18:55 |
| MinceR | and since the IT industry manages to sell to the common consumer, it's being bent into the shape the common idiot appreciates | Jun 30 18:55 |
| MinceR | it's getting to the point where an IT professional can't get work done | Jun 30 18:55 |
| gde33 | indeed | Jun 30 18:55 |
| gde33 | oh since the 90's I didnt even want to work in IT anymore | Jun 30 18:56 |
| gde33 | fucking garbage | Jun 30 18:56 |
| gde33 | stupid people have their place in development | Jun 30 18:57 |
| gde33 | they are useful for UI testing, writing documentation and making tutorials | Jun 30 18:58 |
| gde33 | high end nerds cant do UI | Jun 30 18:58 |
| MinceR | actually, high end nerds can do UI | Jun 30 18:58 |
| MinceR | but it ends up a UI a smart person can use and actually do stuff with | Jun 30 18:58 |
| gde33 | if you put random characters on the interface buttons the high end nerd can just use it as if nothing is wrong | Jun 30 18:58 |
| MinceR | the common idiot wants some dumbed-down shiny crap | Jun 30 18:59 |
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| gde33 | he doesnt understand how people fail to understand things | Jun 30 18:59 |
| MinceR | i don't see what business people who fail to understand things have with computers | Jun 30 18:59 |
| gde33 | dumbed down UI is a sympthom of bad UI design | Jun 30 18:59 |
| gde33 | you want the lerning curve to be as small as possible | Jun 30 19:00 |
| gde33 | expose the new user to as much power as he can comprehand | Jun 30 19:00 |
| gde33 | it helps the high end nerd too | Jun 30 19:00 |
| gde33 | it is like any development, you want things to be as efficent as possible | Jun 30 19:01 |
| gde33 | gradual improvements have the drawback of confusing long term users | Jun 30 19:01 |
| gde33 | therefore it is good to work really hard at UI design early on | Jun 30 19:02 |
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| gde33 | MinceR: in the old days good ui design looked like this http://badgerlandhomeloans.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/wi-mortgage-calculator.jpg | Jun 30 19:03 |
| gde33 | They got the reset button wrong and the = is to small | Jun 30 19:04 |
| gde33 | ehh the = is to small on this one http://www.tampaymca.info/2cmby/images/images/Calculator_01.jpg | Jun 30 19:04 |
| gde33 | onscreen interfaces can never compare to physical ones | Jun 30 19:04 |
| gde33 | here the nerds are taking over http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71FFmguxgYL._SL1500_.jpg | Jun 30 19:06 |
| MinceR | for the better | Jun 30 19:06 |
| gde33 | to some extend yes in other ways no | Jun 30 19:06 |
| MinceR | still, at this point a touchscreen might work better | Jun 30 19:07 |
| gde33 | indeed | Jun 30 19:07 |
| MinceR | in at least one calculator application i can just swipe between sets of buttons | Jun 30 19:07 |
| gde33 | the common failure to me is when the functionality of things can not be learned from the interface | Jun 30 19:08 |
| gde33 | it is not so hard to display a bit of code on a web page and link each instruction to documentation | Jun 30 19:08 |
| gde33 | with limited experience in any language anyone would be able to read the code | Jun 30 19:09 |
| gde33 | a small box on the side with a short description of the instruction would go a long way | Jun 30 19:10 |
| gde33 | give it a read more button to a tutorial | Jun 30 19:10 |
| gde33 | give the tutorial a link to the specs | Jun 30 19:10 |
| gde33 | unless it is machine code the spec could point to its implementation | Jun 30 19:10 |
| gde33 | if the interpreter is written in C point to that part of the codebase | Jun 30 19:11 |
| gde33 | then have the same thing again | Jun 30 19:11 |
| gde33 | like that UI will teach people a lot about coding all without crufty webpages or slow books | Jun 30 19:12 |
| gde33 | in stead we have nerds evangelize against comments that describe what code does | Jun 30 19:12 |
| gde33 | and amazon paywalls | Jun 30 19:13 |
| gde33 | lol | Jun 30 19:13 |
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| MinceR | and a supposedly "free" supposedly "init system" with messy code devoid of comments or documentation | Jun 30 19:14 |
| gde33 | haha | Jun 30 19:15 |
| gde33 | code you cant interface with | Jun 30 19:15 |
| gde33 | makes interesting reading while you rewrite the whole thing | Jun 30 19:15 |
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| cubexyz | people learn by looking at the simplest examples | Jun 30 22:54 |
| cubexyz | I learned a lot by looking at tinywm.c | Jun 30 22:54 |
| cubexyz | any window manager is simply a collection of xlib function calls after all | Jun 30 22:54 |
| cubexyz | any init program is a collection of system function calls | Jun 30 22:58 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/original-unix-v5-init.c.txt | Jun 30 23:00 |
| cubexyz | compare to v7: | Jun 30 23:02 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/unix-v7-init.c.txt | Jun 30 23:02 |
| cubexyz | after a long period of time a simple 200 line init program morphs into ....I guess it's around 800 lines of code or so | Jun 30 23:09 |
| cubexyz | probably more than that actually | Jun 30 23:10 |
| cubexyz | maybe there's a tinyinit.c somewhere :) | Jun 30 23:12 |
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| roy__ | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/616146048810008576 | Jul 01 03:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: cc: @schestowitz https://t.co/5Z0oUhl75T | Jul 01 03:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheRegister: Script-blocker NoScript lets in ANYTHING from http://t.co/VpJfgT7J0e http://t.co/09lkeF0CYf | Jul 01 03:30 | |
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| roy__ | http://www.openssh.com/txt/release-6.9 | Jul 01 04:08 |
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| r_schestowitz | "Concerning the monitoring of IRC logs," said one person, "this information is not really "public" so it may be better to keep it it under wraps for the moment." | Jul 01 04:52 |
| r_schestowitz | re EPO | Jul 01 04:53 |
| r_schestowitz | "As we said, it may be best to keep this particular aspect of the story quiet for the moment to avoid compromising any "sources"." | Jul 01 04:55 |
| r_schestowitz | so they're spying on us.. | Jul 01 04:55 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gordonbp/status/616184379837153280 | Jul 01 06:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gordonbp: @schestowitz Seen this? Microsoft in the dark after Parliamentary email disrupted for three days http://t.co/QvodOn11Gn | Jul 01 06:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.computerweekly.com | Microsoft in the dark after Parliamentary email disrupted for three days | Jul 01 06:02 | |
| r_schestowitz | Writing about it at this very moment (almost finished) | Jul 01 06:02 |
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| gde33|2 | who was the http://cosmicpenguin.com here again? my memories are failing to much irc | Jul 01 12:49 |
| XRevan86 | gde33|2: msb__ | Jul 01 12:50 |
| gde33|2 | XRevan86: thanks! | Jul 01 12:50 |
| gde33|2 | msb__: I reply your email from last week, enjoy! | Jul 01 12:50 |
| msb__ | Thanks! | Jul 01 12:51 |
| msb__ | W | Jul 01 13:04 |
| msb__ | gde33|2: Wow, That is full of great ideas! | Jul 01 13:04 |
| msb__ | OK if I publish it on my website, with your name of course? | Jul 01 13:05 |
| msb__ | I will link to it from the page with the final version of the thing that I sent out. | Jul 01 13:07 |
| msb__ | gde33|2: Would you please give a reference for that psychopath brain test? | Jul 01 13:09 |
| gde33|2 | msb__: there are lots | Jul 01 13:12 |
| gde33|2 | some articles try to leave doubt but there is no need for perfection | Jul 01 13:12 |
| gde33|2 | a healthy empathic brain lights up like a xmas tree | Jul 01 13:12 |
| gde33|2 | here is a doubter http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/psychopaths-might-have-an-impaired-empathy-circuit/ | Jul 01 13:13 |
| msb__ | Does it require injection with some chemical? | Jul 01 13:13 |
| gde33|2 | http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/nov/25/could-a-brain-scan-diagnose-you-as-a-psychopath | Jul 01 13:14 |
| gde33|2 | msb__: I'm not aware of the details, some years ago there was a guy on TV who argued it was easy to identify a healthy person | Jul 01 13:14 |
| gde33|2 | if you want more accuracy you show more images and videos | Jul 01 13:15 |
| gde33|2 | it is endlessly more effective than say a lie detector test | Jul 01 13:15 |
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| gde33|2 | msb__: just imagine watching someone cut off their finger, it should be easy to imagine the level of brain activity you will suffer | Jul 01 13:16 |
| gde33|2 | in healthy people it is almost identical to cutting off your own | Jul 01 13:16 |
| gde33|2 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_neuron | Jul 01 13:17 |
| msb__ | "parts of the brain lighting up" might be this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positron_emission_tomography | Jul 01 13:20 |
| gde33|2 | msb__: you could repeat the test regularly to improve the results | Jul 01 13:21 |
| msb__ | which requires injection of a radioactive tracer | Jul 01 13:21 |
| gde33|2 | the harm to the person is not really an issue in the face of the concequences | Jul 01 13:21 |
| gde33|2 | that said we have lots of tests | Jul 01 13:21 |
| gde33|2 | police and intelligence agencies have been using check lists for a long time | Jul 01 13:22 |
| msb__ | If we're going to test all candidates for public office or corporate/media leadership then it does. | Jul 01 13:22 |
| gde33|2 | it of course has to be a non invasive test | Jul 01 13:23 |
| gde33|2 | but you dont have to feel sorry for the person | Jul 01 13:23 |
| gde33|2 | we've starved 500 million people since 1973 | Jul 01 13:23 |
| msb__ | I think psychopaths could learn to fool checklists like Robert Hare's. | Jul 01 13:24 |
| gde33|2 | oh god I seem to have that stat wrong, now I read a news clipping that claims 500 m starved between 1972 and 73 | Jul 01 13:24 |
| MinceR | unless their deficiency (psychopathy) makes them unable to do so | Jul 01 13:25 |
| gde33|2 | you can work your way around doping tests too | Jul 01 13:25 |
| gde33|2 | it is not an excuse to eliminate the great majority of empathy free people | Jul 01 13:25 |
| msb__ | Is there a non-injurious test for psychopathy that 'paths can't learn to fool? | Jul 01 13:26 |
| gde33|2 | older people are more likely to have a brain disorder and older psychopaths take bigger risks | Jul 01 13:26 |
| gde33|2 | msb__: the guy on TV said it was easy | Jul 01 13:27 |
| msb__ | That's what we need if we're going to test all political candidates, etc. | Jul 01 13:27 |
| gde33|2 | he was testing people for marketing departments | Jul 01 13:27 |
| gde33|2 | because psychopaths have poor sales skills | Jul 01 13:27 |
| gde33|2 | msb__: or else millions of deaths is acceptable? | Jul 01 13:28 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/xxdesmus/status/616250070829109252 | Jul 01 13:28 |
| r_schestowitz | Cloudflare | Jul 01 13:28 |
| msb__ | I would think "Buy this or I'll kill you!" would be pretty effective. | Jul 01 13:28 |
| gde33|2 | a 90 year old psycho doesn't care if the world is still here 20 years from now | Jul 01 13:28 |
| gde33|2 | msb__: not for long term relations | Jul 01 13:29 |
| gde33|2 | best marketeer can crawl in the skin of their victim :P | Jul 01 13:29 |
| msb__ | I was kidding. | Jul 01 13:29 |
| msb__ | oog! | Jul 01 13:30 |
| MinceR | gross | Jul 01 13:30 |
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| msb__ | Of course millions of deaths are not acceptable, but if the psych test requires injection of radioactive tracers, which will cause cancer with some probability, people won't accept that. | Jul 01 13:32 |
| gde33|2 | msb__: I dont know of course, but maybe you are talking about yourself? people who truly want to end the mess we are in are happy to give their life for the cause. | Jul 01 13:33 |
| gde33|2 | no self respecting psycho would want that injection :D | Jul 01 13:33 |
| msb__ | No non-suicidal person would want it either. | Jul 01 13:34 |
| MinceR | obviously, all non-suicidal people are psychopaths. | Jul 01 13:34 |
| msb__ | I have no wish to be a decision-maker, so there would be no reason to test me for psychopathy. | Jul 01 13:35 |
| gde33|2 | ehm? lol | Jul 01 13:35 |
| MinceR | can't you just use fMRI instead? | Jul 01 13:35 |
| MinceR | won't work with people who have metal implants though | Jul 01 13:35 |
| MinceR | (note that PET and MRI are both extremely expensive) | Jul 01 13:36 |
| gde33|2 | worth every penny | Jul 01 13:36 |
| gde33|2 | msb__: anyway, limited results are good enough for now | Jul 01 13:37 |
| gde33|2 | no cocaine adicts for president | Jul 01 13:37 |
| gde33|2 | no alcoholics | Jul 01 13:38 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Thanks, this looks promising: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_magnetic_resonance_imaging | Jul 01 13:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Functional magnetic resonance imaging - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/mz58b ] | Jul 01 13:38 | |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 01 13:38 |
| gde33|2 | the slightest indication someone is not playing with a full deck should really be enough to exclude them | Jul 01 13:40 |
| msb__ | That's not really an objective criterion. | Jul 01 13:41 |
| MinceR | "power to the one who doesn't want it!" | Jul 01 13:42 |
| gde33|2 | msb__: it doesn't have to be fair | Jul 01 13:42 |
| gde33|2 | we have many millions of people who are fit for the job | Jul 01 13:42 |
| gde33|2 | it is not about the candidate it is about everyone else | Jul 01 13:43 |
| gde33|2 | we must look at it from the psychopath perspective | Jul 01 13:43 |
| gde33|2 | to them any flawed system is a sign of weakness | Jul 01 13:43 |
| gde33|2 | they will play the game of chess to win and by any rules established | Jul 01 13:46 |
| gde33|2 | if the opponent is dumb he should lose | Jul 01 13:46 |
| msb__ | Maybe the solution involves having fewer leaders and more democracy. http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/31567-socialism-means-abolishing-the-distinction-between-bosses-and-employees | Jul 01 13:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.truth-out.org | Richard D. Wolff | Socialism Means Abolishing the Distinction Between Bosses and Employees [ http://ur1.ca/mz5a1 ] | Jul 01 13:47 | |
| gde33|2 | it is very easy to look at things from their perspective, humans are just resources | Jul 01 13:47 |
| gde33|2 | nature is just resources | Jul 01 13:47 |
| gde33|2 | msb__: you can do that too | Jul 01 13:47 |
| gde33|2 | but I'm looking for a permanent fix | Jul 01 13:47 |
| gde33|2 | not something that might work for a few years or a few generations | Jul 01 13:47 |
| gde33|2 | your doubt about scans is also a cultural product | Jul 01 13:47 |
| gde33|2 | you may expect lots of people to be against it | Jul 01 13:47 |
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| msb__ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation | Jul 01 13:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Mondragon Corporation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/mz5ap ] | Jul 01 13:47 | |
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| gde33|2 | this is a result of being deprived of everything by the psychopaths | Jul 01 13:47 |
| gde33|2 | people stop believing in answers | Jul 01 13:47 |
| gde33|2 | maybe not you personally | Jul 01 13:48 |
| gde33|2 | but for the most part that is why people antagonize | Jul 01 13:48 |
| gde33|2 | it is like a race to the bottom | Jul 01 13:48 |
| msb__ | Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. | Jul 01 13:49 |
| gde33|2 | yes, that is a nice way of putting it | Jul 01 13:49 |
| gde33|2 | it is fully based on experience you see? | Jul 01 13:49 |
| msb__ | yes | Jul 01 13:50 |
| gde33|2 | if there is lots of danger you start seeing danger everywhere | Jul 01 13:50 |
| msb__ | The only way to guarantee that no psychopaths can ever get power would be to genetically modify humans so that strategy never arises. | Jul 01 13:51 |
| gde33|2 | I think we are abusing the psychopaths | Jul 01 13:51 |
| gde33|2 | we want them to behave just like us | Jul 01 13:51 |
| gde33|2 | they have to learn to mimic our behavior | Jul 01 13:51 |
| msb__ | But then when the insectoids and reptoids attack us, they will devour us. | Jul 01 13:51 |
| gde33|2 | they have very different priorities from ours | Jul 01 13:52 |
| gde33|2 | we should respect that | Jul 01 13:52 |
| msb__ | I don't respect anyone who harms others. | Jul 01 13:53 |
| gde33|2 | animals harm other animals too, it is just what they do | Jul 01 13:53 |
| msb__ | But the time may come when we'll need the psychopath brain type. | Jul 01 13:53 |
| gde33|2 | their ideology is about them, they might even understand collectivism but it isn't hardwired | Jul 01 13:53 |
| msb__ | If we are attacked by a species worse than ours, and with better technology. | Jul 01 13:54 |
| gde33|2 | if social humans fail to make society work being an egoist is the best choice | Jul 01 13:54 |
| gde33|2 | if the social humans refuse to deal with the egocentric problem they are on their way out | Jul 01 13:55 |
| gde33|2 | it is equal to giving up | Jul 01 13:55 |
| gde33|2 | evolution will murder them until non are left | Jul 01 13:55 |
| msb__ | Psychopathy and empathy are both natural results of evolution. | Jul 01 13:58 |
| msb__ | ...which is based on individual success. | Jul 01 13:58 |
| msb__ | But psychopathy prevents species success. | Jul 01 13:58 |
| msb__ | Maybe most intelligent species succumb to it. | Jul 01 14:00 |
| msb__ | That's why the sky isn't full of saucers. | Jul 01 14:00 |
| msb__ | The Fermi Paradox | Jul 01 14:00 |
| gde33|2 | they are alone and we are legion | Jul 01 14:00 |
| gde33|2 | some joke | Jul 01 14:00 |
| msb__ | I don't understand. | Jul 01 14:01 |
| gde33|2 | that we are so much stronger together | Jul 01 14:02 |
| gde33|2 | the sky is the limit if we all work together | Jul 01 14:02 |
| gde33|2 | then one guy comes along and tells you that he will be taking everything from us | Jul 01 14:02 |
| gde33|2 | and many of us go ohhh to bad we cant do anything! | Jul 01 14:03 |
| msb__ | Those multiple clicking sounds are gun owners cocking their weapons. | Jul 01 14:04 |
| gde33|2 | we could change the game in a thousand ways, each will require simple effort | Jul 01 14:05 |
| gde33|2 | very little effort | Jul 01 14:05 |
| gde33|2 | for many the effort required is limited to not overshout a good thing with loser talk | Jul 01 14:05 |
| gde33|2 | if only all the born losers could shut up for a while, we could take over in a heartbeat | Jul 01 14:06 |
| msb__ | "losers" are mostly made, not born. Cultural programming. Sit-down-and-shut-up education. | Jul 01 14:09 |
| gde33|2 | yeah | Jul 01 14:09 |
| gde33|2 | all we need is escape velocity | Jul 01 14:09 |
| msb__ | Maybe start in regions and spread. Like Mondragon. | Jul 01 14:10 |
| gde33|2 | that looks like an interesting story | Jul 01 14:12 |
| msb__ | Socialism without dictators. | Jul 01 14:13 |
| XRevan86 | Free software has many dictators too :). That's funny how many analogies can be found. | Jul 01 14:14 |
| XRevan86 | between real politics and software | Jul 01 14:14 |
| msb__ | But in software they can't really dictate. | Jul 01 14:15 |
| msb__ | People are already using alpha Devuan successfully. | Jul 01 14:16 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: Lack of actual territory makes it real easy to fork software. | Jul 01 14:16 |
| msb__ | Yes! | Jul 01 14:16 |
| msb__ | Also that replication is free. | Jul 01 14:16 |
| XRevan86 | There is an analog of territory: userbase, but that's a fady one. | Jul 01 14:16 |
| XRevan86 | LibreOffice didn't have to start a bloody war to get part of OpenOffice "territory" :). | Jul 01 14:17 |
| MinceR | free software is not socialism | Jul 01 14:17 |
| msb__ | he userbase is big enough to support adequate competent administration | Jul 01 14:18 |
| msb__ | The userbase only has to be big enough to support adequate competent administration | Jul 01 14:19 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Okay, it's either libertarianism ("permissive") or communism :). | Jul 01 14:19 |
| XRevan86 | (GPL) | Jul 01 14:19 |
| MinceR | GPL is very much not communism | Jul 01 14:19 |
| MinceR | it relies on the idea of owning copyright | Jul 01 14:19 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Hmm, that is true. Then it's socialism after all. | Jul 01 14:20 |
| msb__ | That's only needed to protect it against predatory capitalism. | Jul 01 14:21 |
| XRevan86 | communism wouldn't need hacks like that | Jul 01 14:21 |
| MinceR | it's also not socialism | Jul 01 14:21 |
| msb__ | It is from each (voluntarily) according to his ability, to each according to his need. | Jul 01 14:21 |
| MinceR | also, it doesn't involve who owns means of production either | Jul 01 14:21 |
| msb__ | The means of production -- toolchains -- is also free software. So everybody can own it. | Jul 01 14:23 |
| gde33|2 | people just randomly write bits of code then, as if by magic, a working application appears | Jul 01 14:24 |
| gde33|2 | well.... kinda... | Jul 01 14:24 |
| MinceR | the hardware is more of a means of productions | Jul 01 14:24 |
| MinceR | software can be copied practically at no cost | Jul 01 14:25 |
| XRevan86 | Can a right to commit be a mean of production in free software? | Jul 01 14:25 |
| MinceR | i don't think so | Jul 01 14:26 |
| MinceR | that's an administrative privilege | Jul 01 14:26 |
| MinceR | denied that, you can still commit into your own repo/fork | Jul 01 14:26 |
| msb__ | Exactly | Jul 01 14:26 |
| msb__ | I think free software has capitalists worried, and not just microsoft. | Jul 01 14:28 |
| MinceR | it seems the capitalists have responded | Jul 01 14:28 |
| MinceR | so we got uefi, intel boot guard and systemd. | Jul 01 14:28 |
| msb__ | and kde4 | Jul 01 14:29 |
| MinceR | and gnome3, and kde5 | Jul 01 14:29 |
| XRevan86 | KDE is totally uncommercial. | Jul 01 14:30 |
| MinceR | kde5 will introduce a dependency on systemd. | Jul 01 14:30 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: Even if they broke things you like, it's still uncommercial. | Jul 01 14:30 |
| msb__ | but Trinity is a successful fork of kde3 | Jul 01 14:31 |
| msb__ | and has promised never to use systemd | Jul 01 14:32 |
| msb__ | kde4 broke virtual desktops, and activities don't seem to be as convenient | Jul 01 14:33 |
| MinceR | it broke plenty of things in the pursuit of bling | Jul 01 14:33 |
| msb__ | yep, about 140 different bling adjustments, IIRC | Jul 01 14:34 |
| msb__ | Probably more now. | Jul 01 14:35 |
| msb__ | Amazing what people will fall for if it's called "improvement". | Jul 01 14:36 |
| msb__ | If it ain't broke, don't fix it! | Jul 01 14:36 |
| MinceR | i'm all for improvements | Jul 01 14:37 |
| MinceR | but a more monolithic design is not an improvement | Jul 01 14:37 |
| MinceR | neither is the panel randomly forgetting its settings. | Jul 01 14:37 |
| msb__ | kde4 does that? | Jul 01 14:38 |
| MinceR | yup | Jul 01 14:38 |
| MinceR | at least for me | Jul 01 14:38 |
| XRevan86 | I didn't get that when I was using KDE 4 | Jul 01 14:38 |
| MinceR | did, until i got rid of it | Jul 01 14:38 |
| msb__ | amazing! | Jul 01 14:38 |
| msb__ | Multiple virtual desktops used to be considered one of the most important advantages of Linux. They make uncluttered working on multiple projects so much easier. But when kde4 came along people forgot about them. | Jul 01 14:43 |
| gde33|2 | tabbed browsing | Jul 01 14:43 |
| msb__ | kde4 sabotaged that augmentation of the human mind. That's why I think it was intentional. | Jul 01 14:44 |
| msb__ | I'm sure ASUS will always make good AMD mobos with UEFI that can be turned off. | Jul 01 14:45 |
| msb__ | There are many tens of millions of Linux users. | Jul 01 14:46 |
| msb__ | If not, I'll ask MinceR to smuggle me something from Hungary. | Jul 01 14:48 |
| MinceR | i don't think hungary will be a good place for getting general-purpose computers | Jul 01 14:49 |
| msb__ | Or North Korea could always use the cash. | Jul 01 14:49 |
| MinceR | north korea doesn't have the technology | Jul 01 14:49 |
| MinceR | and they don't care for cash | Jul 01 14:50 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Well, they do. | Jul 01 14:50 |
| msb__ | Not for wafer-fab, but I'll bet they can do multilayer PCBs. | Jul 01 14:50 |
| msb__ | At worst, asus will make a mobo where you can turn off uefi by cutting a trace with an exacto knife. ms won't be able to complain. | Jul 01 14:53 |
| MinceR | why asus? | Jul 01 14:53 |
| msb__ | They make great mobos. I've always used them. | Jul 01 14:54 |
| MinceR | also, i'm more concerned with laptops | Jul 01 14:54 |
| MinceR | i tend to use laptops | Jul 01 14:54 |
| MinceR | then again, maybe we can stick something like an intel nuc board in something like a Pi-Top ( http://www.pi-top.com/ ) and get a powerful enough laptop | Jul 01 14:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pi-top.com | pi-top | Jul 01 14:55 | |
| MinceR | maybe the design could even be adapted to fit a mechanical keyboard | Jul 01 14:55 |
| msb__ | nuc-board? | Jul 01 14:55 |
| msb__ | Does it have a little reactor? | Jul 01 14:56 |
| MinceR | no | Jul 01 14:57 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Unit_of_Computing | Jul 01 14:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Next Unit of Computing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/mz5sc ] | Jul 01 14:57 | |
| MinceR | though i guess a little reactor could help with the battery life issues | Jul 01 14:57 |
| msb__ | What does a Pi-Top cost? | Jul 01 15:02 |
| MinceR | $299.99 | Jul 01 15:02 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if that includes the raspberry pi | Jul 01 15:03 |
| msb__ | and the keyboard is what? capacitive with no tactile feedback? | Jul 01 15:03 |
| MinceR | seems like it comes with a pi2 and a microsd card with additional sw | Jul 01 15:04 |
| MinceR | looks like an ordinary scissors+rubberdome+membrane thing | Jul 01 15:04 |
| MinceR | not my thing | Jul 01 15:04 |
| MinceR | then again, it's difficult to fit cherry mx switches into current laptop form factors | Jul 01 15:04 |
| MinceR | there's like 1 laptop i'm aware of that comes with them, and it's an enormous beast | Jul 01 15:05 |
| msb__ | scissors? | Jul 01 15:05 |
| MinceR | the usual thing on laptops | Jul 01 15:05 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_technology#Scissor-switch_keyboard | Jul 01 15:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Keyboard technology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/mz5uf ] | Jul 01 15:05 | |
| MinceR | http://www.pi-top.com/components/rpi_2 | Jul 01 15:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pi-top.com | pi-top | Jul 01 15:06 | |
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| msb__ | How come in these Canadian TV shows -- Lost Girl, (Jessica) King -- the good guys are always drinking booze? | Jul 01 20:26 |
| msb__ | 3 shots of Toronto's CN Tower in the first 5 minutes | Jul 01 20:31 |
| msb__ | 4 in 10 | Jul 01 20:37 |
| msb__ | 5 in 16 | Jul 01 20:44 |
| msb__ | 6, 7 in 22 | Jul 01 20:53 |
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| msb__ | 8 in 25, 9 in 39, | Jul 01 21:27 |
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| MinceR | msb__: i'm guessing ethanol took over tobacco's role as the cool drug | Jul 02 04:25 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/616522891895640064 | Jul 02 05:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: NHS IT failures mount as GP data system declared unfit for purpose @ruskin147 @schestowitz http://t.co/AizL6ZgB8S | Jul 02 05:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> m.theregister.co.uk | NHS IT failures mount as GP data system declared unfit for purpose • The Register | Jul 02 05:06 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/616537342694703104 | Jul 02 05:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: .@schestowitz #Debian #Stretch/#Sid's #Iceweasel build (@firefox) 39.0 is working fine here ;-) http://t.co/ohE9yASQwF | Jul 02 05:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines France: ‘tax source code will be made public’ | Jul 02 05:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/92sTgqApBt (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 02 05:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/mzbbn | Jul 02 05:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | France: ‘tax source code will be made public’ | Tux Machines | Jul 02 05:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tanglu 3 RC1 Has systemd 221, Linux Kernel 4.0, | Jul 02 05:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | KDE Plasma 5.3 and GNOME 3.16 | Jul 02 05:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/SEtvqgeI0k (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 02 05:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tanglu 3 RC1 Has systemd 221, Linux Kernel 4.0, KDE Plasma 5.3 and GNOME 3.16 | Tux Machines | Jul 02 05:33 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/616539863383449600 | Jul 02 05:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Welcome to Aarhus. Registration for the LibreOffice Conference is now open @ruskin147 @schestowitz http://t.co/2F7jLS7bbw | Jul 02 05:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> conference.libreoffice.org | About Aarhus » LibreOffice Conference | Jul 02 05:36 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/616541834756501504 | Jul 02 05:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: It's probably time that you considered @CloudSigma's cool #cloud and/or @googlecloud (#GCE)—and bid a #FuckYouAmazon https://t.co/KwbaOZM3ot | Jul 02 05:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Amazon Says I Need to Sue in Order to Merely Find Out Who Uses Their Own Facilities (AWS) to Attack My Site http://t.co/OBGlYbJTMM #aws | Jul 02 05:41 | |
| r_schestowitz | Aha, I'm not touch 'cloud' nonsense. People should control their own servers. | Jul 02 05:42 |
| r_schestowitz | Aha, I'm not touching 'cloud' nonsense. People should control their own servers. | Jul 02 05:42 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/616545824089083904 | Jul 02 05:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: .@schestowitz @CloudSigma @googlecloud well, you can locally make your own imgs, encrypt'em…& subsequently upload ;-) http://t.co/CiOVH6pViM | Jul 02 05:58 | |
| r_schestowitz | That would beat the purpose of it all | Jul 02 05:58 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/616551114406785024 | Jul 02 06:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz I'm torn. Mint? Another Ubuntu variant? Finally learn Arch? It's a tough decision. | Jul 02 06:18 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Vecchi_Paolo/status/616556124712628224 https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/616556957915328512 | Jul 02 06:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Vecchi_Paolo: @schestowitz They need to look busy on something else not to talk about #Office365 #fail as it may hurt ads revenue http://t.co/0yEOjyU4o2 | Jul 02 06:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.computerweekly.com | Microsoft in the dark after Parliamentary email disrupted for three days | Jul 02 06:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz And it sounds like code dumping, which isn't the same as participation. Without community, code is dead. | Jul 02 06:40 | |
| r_schestowitz | marketing | Jul 02 06:40 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/616557670196203520 | Jul 02 06:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz Which is disappointing. Their platform is such a wonderful place to deploy open source. | Jul 02 06:44 | |
| r_schestowitz | and to state DDOS attacks http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2015/07/02/aws-ddos-and-stonewalling/ removing liability http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2015/06/28/aws-ddos/ | Jul 02 06:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Amazon Says I Need to Sue in Order to Merely Find Out Who Uses Their Own Facilities (AWS) to Attack My Site [ http://ur1.ca/mzb2e ] | Jul 02 06:45 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Amazon AWS Used for DDOS Attacks Against My Web Sites, Amazon Takes 14 Hours to Reply But Not Take Action (Updatedx5) [ http://ur1.ca/mzb2g ] | Jul 02 06:45 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/616558133482233856 | Jul 02 06:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz Makulu constructor is an excellent idea. A great way to pre setup an distro for a family member. | Jul 02 06:46 | |
| r_schestowitz | If only they got their English right. I think the French devs write their announcements. | Jul 02 06:46 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/616558932694278144 | Jul 02 06:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz Much like open source, AWS can be used for good or evil. I've had my problems with Amazon's foolish rigidity, too. | Jul 02 06:50 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ShaneHudson/status/616559296676003841 | Jul 02 06:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ShaneHudson: @schestowitz @kstallett didn't Microsoft announce an official Linux distro? | Jul 02 06:50 | |
| r_schestowitz | No, rumour, unless you mean SUSE | Jul 02 06:50 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ShaneHudson/status/616559907811258368 | Jul 02 06:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ShaneHudson: @schestowitz @kstallett Ah yes it was an april fool, silly me | Jul 02 06:52 | |
| r_schestowitz | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/06/30/0058243/interviews-linus-torvalds-answers-your-question | Jul 02 06:55 |
| r_schestowitz | 2nd question, he disappoints. Then again he does go to great lengths to | Jul 02 06:55 |
| r_schestowitz | stay away from use space. | Jul 02 06:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.slashdot.org | Interviews: Linus Torvalds Answers Your Question - Slashdot | Jul 02 06:55 | |
| oiaohm | Really the linus repsonse to the init system should have been expected. Sysvinit is broken design that had to be replaced. Linus does not in fact demard a particular init system. | Jul 02 07:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Web Apps Push Notifications Are | Jul 02 07:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Coming Soon, Here's a Demo Video | Jul 02 07:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch Web Apps Push Notifications Are Coming Soon, Here's a Demo Video | Tux Machines | Jul 02 07:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nominate a free software community contributor | Jul 02 07:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | in Cascadia http://t.co/fUQkgkABTx | Jul 02 07:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 02 07:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Nominate a free software community contributor in Cascadia | Tux Machines | Jul 02 07:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Interviews: Linus Torvalds Answers Your | Jul 02 07:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Question http://t.co/z8RKBfd3LK | Jul 02 07:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Interviews: Linus Torvalds Answers Your Question | Tux Machines | Jul 02 07:50 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Motorwayviewer/status/616585936227430400 | Jul 02 08:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Motorwayviewer: @schestowitz not sure why people would continue going here #unsafe | Jul 02 08:41 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Motorwayviewer/status/616585936227430400 | Jul 02 08:41 |
| r_schestowitz | oiaohm: do you like systemd? | Jul 02 08:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines EU court to decide on PC and software bundling | Jul 02 08:42 |
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| r_schestowitz | (not a trick queston) | Jul 02 08:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | EU court to decide on PC and software bundling | Tux Machines | Jul 02 08:42 | |
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| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: not exactly like systemd. Don't absolutely hate it. | Jul 02 09:04 |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: basically issues I had with sysvinit I don't have with systemd. | Jul 02 09:05 |
| oiaohm | But systemd is not without is problems. | Jul 02 09:05 |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: really I wish openrc was more complete | Jul 02 09:05 |
| cubexyz | systemd is anti-unix | Jul 02 09:05 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I would not say that. | Jul 02 09:06 |
| cubexyz | sure it is | Jul 02 09:06 |
| oiaohm | No it really not. | Jul 02 09:06 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/unix-philosophy.txt | Jul 02 09:06 |
| oiaohm | systemd is modular. Made up of stack of individual programs glued under 1 porject. | Jul 02 09:06 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: systemd is like coreutils from gnu. | Jul 02 09:07 |
| oiaohm | So yes systemd does follow the idea of Unux as much as gnu coreutils do. | Jul 02 09:07 |
| oiaohm | How much is bound into one project is a worry | Jul 02 09:08 |
| cubexyz | binary log files? really? | Jul 02 09:08 |
| cubexyz | that's not unix | Jul 02 09:08 |
| oiaohm | journald uses either binary log files or syslog | Jul 02 09:09 |
| oiaohm | Also binary log files has been done by closed source unix. | Jul 02 09:09 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/616592408063553536 | Jul 02 09:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: #FOSS hacker found dead 2002 aided #Venezuela state oil IT 2offset #USA-backed coup vs #Chavez http://t.co/WXShfnY0H6 http://t.co/ehLTK0p1L7 | Jul 02 09:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> translate.google.com | Google Translate | Jul 02 09:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: #FOSS hacker found dead 2002 aided #Venezuela state oil IT 2offset #USA-backed coup vs #Chavez http://t.co/WXShfnY0H6 http://t.co/ehLTK0p1L7 | Jul 02 09:10 | |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: systemd is over 100 indivudal programs. | Jul 02 09:12 |
| cubexyz | and I'm not sure why you compare coreutils to systemd | Jul 02 09:13 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: and each one of those programs is todo 1 particular task well. So yes systemd is very much unix philosophy when you look under the hood. | Jul 02 09:13 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit was make one program a shell do everything. | Jul 02 09:14 |
| oiaohm | If something was not unix philosophy it sysvinit. | Jul 02 09:14 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: systemd is a bundle of a stack of untils that could in fact be broken up very much in the same way coreutils is. | Jul 02 09:16 |
| oiaohm | Like running systemd without journald does in fact work. | Jul 02 09:16 |
| cubexyz | we should at least have the option of not using systemd | Jul 02 09:20 |
| oiaohm | Debian has not ruled out using openrc in future when it matures. | Jul 02 09:21 |
| cubexyz | init used to be a small C program | Jul 02 09:21 |
| cubexyz | it was only about 400 lines long in the systemIII era | Jul 02 09:21 |
| cubexyz | it wasn't some huge monolithic thing | Jul 02 09:21 |
| oiaohm | But kernels back then were also less complex. | Jul 02 09:21 |
| oiaohm | Also behaved different to a Linux kernel. | Jul 02 09:22 |
| cubexyz | a lot of folks left Fedora after 15 | Jul 02 09:22 |
| cubexyz | I never asked for systemd | Jul 02 09:23 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/616596541642567680 | Jul 02 09:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz Would it be worth letting CloudFlare worry about the problem? | Jul 02 09:23 | |
| r_schestowitz | No, #cloudflare is even worse than #amazon #aws for numerous reasons I covered before. | Jul 02 09:23 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz its double sided yes you never asked for systemd but you never worried about the fact that sysvinit was based on design ideas that do not apply to the Linux kernel. sysvinit is based on PID as means to track services. This does not apply to a Linux kernel. | Jul 02 09:26 |
| oiaohm | The fact sysvinit was a complete miss fit to Linux kernel design means there is no choice to replace it at some poing. | Jul 02 09:27 |
| oiaohm | poing/point | Jul 02 09:27 |
| oiaohm | Why was sysvinit such a miss fit. Stupid idea that init systems had to be cross platform with no exact consideration if they in fact could possibly work correctly. | Jul 02 09:27 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: you have to remember Ubuntu went upstart. Upstart become a failure because the listerned to the anti-cgroup without in fact choosing on techical merit. | Jul 02 09:29 |
| oiaohm | Working init system on Linux kernel has no option without custom patching the Linux kernel but to use cgroups. | Jul 02 09:29 |
| oiaohm | Debian has tried over 20 different init systems looking for a replacement to sysvinit before the recent change to systemd. | Jul 02 09:30 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: basically you have had head in sand not to be aware distrobutions were looking for a replacement. | Jul 02 09:30 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/616599039010865152 | Jul 02 09:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz I'll have to check your booking to see what you've written. | Jul 02 09:31 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines EU court to decide on PC and software bundling | Jul 02 09:34 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @voidquest44 | Jul 02 09:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | EU court to decide on PC and software bundling | Tux Machines | Jul 02 09:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines antiX 15 Officially Released, Based on Debian 8 | Jul 02 09:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | "Jessie" but Without systemd | Jul 02 09:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/waq8Ruh4ok (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 02 09:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | antiX 15 Officially Released, Based on Debian 8 "Jessie" but Without systemd | Tux Machines | Jul 02 09:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.10.82 LTS Is a Very Small Update | Jul 02 09:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | with Five Fixes http://t.co/JJselxMq6N | Jul 02 09:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 02 09:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel 3.10.82 LTS Is a Very Small Update with Five Fixes | Tux Machines | Jul 02 09:34 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open standards lower costs, French IT firms say | Jul 02 09:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open standards lower costs, French IT firms say | Tux Machines | Jul 02 09:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines StratOS Kickstarter Project Claims Full Mobile | Jul 02 09:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Convergence with GNOME, Likely a Scam | Jul 02 09:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/NRBG46fZkg (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 02 09:34 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | StratOS Kickstarter Project Claims Full Mobile Convergence with GNOME, Likely a Scam | Tux Machines | Jul 02 09:34 | |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: by the way Fedora change to upstart as of fedora 9 then to systemd as of fedora 15. Yet you are not calling for upstart to be maintianed or fixed. | Jul 02 09:38 |
| oiaohm | Lots of people calling for sysvinit back were not infact using sysvinit | Jul 02 09:38 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, I'm running sysvinit on Fedora 14 on one box | Jul 02 09:39 |
| cubexyz | it's the default | Jul 02 09:39 |
| cubexyz | there's no upstart on it | Jul 02 09:39 |
| cubexyz | maybe it's an option, I don't know | Jul 02 09:39 |
| oiaohm | Fedora 14 by default install was upstart | Jul 02 09:43 |
| oiaohm | Maybe you had upgraded threw from Fedora 8 | Jul 02 09:43 |
| cubexyz | damn, it looks just sysvinit though | Jul 02 09:46 |
| cubexyz | I expected to see /sbin/upstart | Jul 02 09:47 |
| cubexyz | /sbin/service --status-all (same) | Jul 02 09:47 |
| oiaohm | The reason why you don't have the lost service issue is the ptrace tracking of serices upstart uses that some services hate. | Jul 02 09:48 |
| cubexyz | /sbin/service cups status (same) | Jul 02 09:48 |
| cubexyz | it looks so much the same | Jul 02 09:49 |
| oiaohm | upstart and openrc look very sysvinit ish. | Jul 02 09:49 |
| cubexyz | ok, I missed that. Thanks for pointing that out | Jul 02 09:49 |
| oiaohm | But they don't behave like sysvinit | Jul 02 09:49 |
| oiaohm | so you want something like openrc/upstart not sysvinit. | Jul 02 09:50 |
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| cubexyz | I think I could live with that | Jul 02 09:50 |
| cubexyz | if they work with the same commands that's a bonus | Jul 02 09:51 |
| oiaohm | not only live with also using a init system that is in fact compadilbe with the kernel. | Jul 02 09:51 |
| oiaohm | Basically upstart upgrade to use cgroups or openrc would be valid options. | Jul 02 09:51 |
| cubexyz | I assume runlevels are the same then? | Jul 02 09:52 |
| cubexyz | why did Fedora switch from upstart to systemd? | Jul 02 09:53 |
| oiaohm | upstart uses ptrace in the Linux kernel to track services to make sure it can kill them. | Jul 02 09:54 |
| oiaohm | This upsets closed source services with anti-debugging. | Jul 02 09:54 |
| oiaohm | Yes running ptrace on a service looks like you are running debugging on it. | Jul 02 09:54 |
| cubexyz | closed source services such as...? | Jul 02 09:55 |
| oiaohm | orcale database | Jul 02 09:55 |
| oiaohm | And a few others bug orcale database is a fairly major issue when it will not run. | Jul 02 09:55 |
| oiaohm | Orcale database has no problem being tracked by cgroups. | Jul 02 09:56 |
| oiaohm | openrc supports bsd or sysv based init configuration. One extra is the conf.d directory for containing cgroups limitations and the like to apply to services. | Jul 02 09:57 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: there are a few closed source game servers that run on Linux as well that will not tollerate being ptraced | Jul 02 09:58 |
| cubexyz | I can still do: "/sbin/chkconfig --list" | Jul 02 09:59 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: with openrc in sysv configuration yes. | Jul 02 10:01 |
| cubexyz | chkconfig was a Berkeley thing I think | Jul 02 10:01 |
| oiaohm | Of course openrc in a bsd confgiuration its not going to work. | Jul 02 10:01 |
| oiaohm | No chkconfig is a reimplementation of a IRIX feature by Redhat developers. | Jul 02 10:02 |
| oiaohm | chkconfig is a sysvinit kind of thing because redhat built it that way. | Jul 02 10:02 |
| oiaohm | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/chkconfig-on-freebsd-to-start-services-automatically-initial-boot-time/ | Jul 02 10:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cyberciti.biz | chkconfig on FreeBSD To Start Services Automatically At Initial Boot Time [ http://ur1.ca/mzdko ] | Jul 02 10:03 | |
| oiaohm | Basically its one of the supprises for those who start running BSD is the fact chkconfig disapepars cubexyz | Jul 02 10:03 |
| oiaohm | The best sysvinit like init system that is still actively maintained is openrc | Jul 02 10:06 |
| cubexyz | let me check pdp-11 sysv | Jul 02 10:07 |
| cubexyz | the FC1 man page mentions the 4th Berkeley Distribution for chkconfig | Jul 02 10:08 |
| cubexyz | it's in IRIX | Jul 02 10:09 |
| cubexyz | Linux | Jul 02 10:10 |
| cubexyz | ugh, confusing | Jul 02 10:11 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: its more confusing than you can dream | Jul 02 10:12 |
| oiaohm | 4.3 berkeley distribution is where what we call modern day BSD init starts. | Jul 02 10:13 |
| oiaohm | Before that it was a lot closer to sysvinit. | Jul 02 10:13 |
| oiaohm | chkconfig idea is first implemtend in IRIX appears in some of the early BSD before disappearing. | Jul 02 10:15 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: yes reading Linux man files can lead you into hell thinking command exist on BSD that have not been there for over 20+ years. | Jul 02 10:17 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus Gets Linux Kernel 4.1.1 LTS and UEFI | Jul 02 10:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Fixes http://t.co/aFUYGiO3bV | Jul 02 10:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Solus Gets Linux Kernel 4.1.1 LTS and UEFI Fixes | Tux Machines | Jul 02 10:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE hardware partnership with | Jul 02 10:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | LibreTrend http://t.co/34S4xZ5vL8 | Jul 02 10:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 02 10:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu MATE hardware partnership with LibreTrend | Tux Machines | Jul 02 10:39 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE Project Donates Money to Geany, | Jul 02 10:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Transmission, and MATE Devs | Jul 02 10:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu MATE Project Donates Money to Geany, Transmission, and MATE Devs | Tux Machines | Jul 02 10:39 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Intel Compute Stick with Ubuntu Goes on Sale, | Jul 02 11:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Lower Specs than Windows Version | Jul 02 11:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Intel Compute Stick with Ubuntu Goes on Sale, Lower Specs than Windows Version | Tux Machines | Jul 02 11:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mageia 5 Linux Distro Offers New Tools, | Jul 02 11:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Improved Stability http://t.co/XflV708e7k | Jul 02 11:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 02 11:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mageia 5 Linux Distro Offers New Tools, Improved Stability | Tux Machines | Jul 02 11:42 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines DigiKam 4.11.0 Released With Bug Fixes, | Jul 02 11:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Install/Update In Ubuntu 15.04/Linux Mint | Jul 02 11:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | "Refaela" Or Other Darivatives | Jul 02 11:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | DigiKam 4.11.0 Released With Bug Fixes, Install/Update In Ubuntu 15.04/Linux Mint "Refaela" Or Other Darivatives | Tux Machines | Jul 02 11:42 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6296180 | Jul 02 11:46 |
| r_schestowitz | "you had a 3840 x 2160 or even 4096 x 2160 CRT? don’t believe you!" | Jul 02 11:47 |
| r_schestowitz | Dual head CRT until 2007. | Jul 02 11:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Stumbling into the world of 4K displays [UPDATED] https://major.io/2015/06/30/stumbling-into-the-world-of-4k-displays/ … CRTs were affordable, worked well at this res | Jul 02 11:47 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> major.io | Stumbling into the world of 4K displays [UPDATED] - major.io [ http://ur1.ca/mzejl ] | Jul 02 11:47 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6291618 | Jul 02 11:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: They ‘R’ Coming: More #Microsoft Money for the @LinuxFoundation http://techrights.org/2015/07/01/the-r-consortium/ | Jul 02 11:49 | |
| r_schestowitz | "Linux foundation always was a trojan horse. uefi etc." | Jul 02 11:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | They ‘R’ Coming: More Microsoft Money for the Linux Foundation | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/mz67i ] | Jul 02 11:49 | |
| r_schestowitz | intel pays for complicity. And Red Hat... well... ahem, systemd | Jul 02 11:49 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6292231 | Jul 02 11:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: UK Heatwave: Temperatures on the tube are going to exceed the legal limit for transporting cattle http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-heatwave-temperatures-on-the-tube-are-going-to-exceed-the-legal-limit-for-transporting-cattle-10356439.html #uk #london | Jul 02 11:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.independent.co.uk | UK Heatwave: Temperatures on the tube are going to exceed the legal limit for transporting cattle - Home News - UK - The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/mzekb ] | Jul 02 11:49 | |
| r_schestowitz | "Tube, cattle transport, are more or less the same." | Jul 02 11:50 |
| r_schestowitz | "lol" | Jul 02 11:50 |
| r_schestowitz | Cattle have more freedom from 9-5 | Jul 02 11:50 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6286867 | Jul 02 12:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://twitter.com/quinnnorton/status/615594133445591040 | Jul 02 12:17 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@quinnnorton: While you were all celebrating and getting gay married, SCOTUS upheld the death penalty and struck down mercury pollution regs. | Jul 02 12:17 | |
| r_schestowitz | "Good on the IDs part. Not so good on the capital punishment and mercury things." | Jul 02 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | "Also struck down ID’s for voting." | Jul 02 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | > You wrote: Facebook does absolutely nothing for a person's life. It does nothing for traffic, either. A huge waste of one's time and erosion of privacy. | Jul 02 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jul 02 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | > Me: A rhetorical question... | Jul 02 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | > How could Facebook have become so successful? It boggles the mind. | Jul 02 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | Good for advertisers. Mining minds, pushing them some customised brainwash. | Jul 02 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ml2mst/status/616639420792471552 | Jul 02 12:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ml2mst: I wanted to reserve my 10K tweet for @schestowitz who is the reason I started Tweeting. Thank you for all your great work Roy! | Jul 02 12:46 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/616610026707415040 | Jul 02 12:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: What We Call Security Isn’t Really Security http://t.co/rSj6YBL3Bd "security industry can’t agree on a definition of security." | Jul 02 12:55 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> darkmatters.norsecorp.com | What We Call Security Isn't Really Security - Darkmatters | Jul 02 12:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE hardware partnership with | Jul 02 12:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | LibreTrend https://t.co/51ffOUL2I0 | Jul 02 12:56 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE Project Donates Money to Geany, | Jul 02 12:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Transmission, and MATE Devs | Jul 02 12:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/U6bFNaaa21 (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 02 12:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu MATE Project Donates Money to Geany, Transmission, and MATE Devs - Softpedia | Jul 02 12:56 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Intel Compute Stick with Ubuntu Goes on Sale, | Jul 02 13:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Lower Specs than Windows Version | Jul 02 13:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Intel Compute Stick with Ubuntu Goes on Sale, Lower Specs than Windows Version - Softpedia | Jul 02 13:14 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Terraria 1.3 Release Coming Later This Month | Jul 02 13:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | With Many Improvements http://t.co/kHJE2suY6h | Jul 02 13:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Terraria 1.3 Release Coming Later This Month With Many Improvements - Phoronix | Jul 02 13:14 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines ZFS On Linux 0.6.4.2 Brings Linux 4.1 Support, | Jul 02 13:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Fixes http://t.co/xNDRyI1Kvd (www.phoronix.com) | Jul 02 13:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | ZFS On Linux 0.6.4.2 Brings Linux 4.1 Support, Fixes - Phoronix | Jul 02 13:14 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora For MIPS Is Now Out In Testing, Supports | Jul 02 13:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | The Creator CI20 http://t.co/xVz0G1lRGR | Jul 02 13:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Fedora For MIPS Is Now Out In Testing, Supports The Creator CI20 - Phoronix | Jul 02 13:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 6-Way File-System Comparison On The Linux 4.1 | Jul 02 13:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Kernel http://t.co/UHU8MjNh2i | Jul 02 13:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 6-Way File-System Comparison On The Linux 4.1 Kernel | Tux Machines | Jul 02 13:46 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/6dEiYZWGju | Jul 02 13:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Jul 02 13:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/aZUX68JCgn | Jul 02 13:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Jul 02 13:46 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Jul 02 14:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/7I1chYDwEr | Jul 02 14:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 02 14:59 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 2/7/2015: KDE Plasma 5.3.2, antiX 15 | Jul 02 14:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 2/7/2015: KDE Plasma 5.3.2, antiX 15 | Techrights | Jul 02 14:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Microsoft Gradually Embraces, Extends, | Jul 02 16:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Extinguishes Linux Foundation as a Foundation | Jul 02 16:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of GNU/Linux http://t.co/x4YIcGcAwM | Jul 02 16:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Gradually Embraces, Extends, Extinguishes Linux Foundation as a Foundation of GNU/Linux | Techrights | Jul 02 16:10 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines What You Need to Know About Fedora’s Switch | Jul 02 16:42 |
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| msb__ | Regarding Linus and systemd: The man is not stupid, nor is he unaware of userland. I think he was probably threatened, him and his family, by who/whatever is trying to control/destroy Linux with systemd, kde4/5, and uefi. | Jul 02 23:32 |
| msb__ | Regarding the Venezuelan hacker who was murdered: It would have been easy to steal his bike without killing him. The US regards Venezuela as a major enemy, because it is partly socialist, and thus gives other nations the idea that they could distribute profits to the people instead of to the ultra-wealthy. | Jul 02 23:34 |
| msb__ | The US attempted a coup against the Venezulan government in February 2015. http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Almost-All-Opposition-Leaders-Knew-About-Venezuelan-Coup-Plot-20150215-0006.html | Jul 02 23:37 |
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| msb__ | Emails containing that URL were blocked by Comcast -- never sent. | Jul 02 23:37 |
| msb__ | . | Jul 02 23:41 |
| msb__ | http://www.activistpost.com/2015/07/bill-gates-temporary-sterilization.html | Jul 02 23:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.activistpost.com | Activist Post: Bill Gates' Temporary Sterilization Microchip In Beta Female Testing By End of Year [ http://ur1.ca/mzksl ] | Jul 02 23:42 | |
| msb__ | The chip works by releasing a small quantity of sterilizing hormone. It will be used in Third World nations. | Jul 02 23:43 |
| msb__ | Activist Post is pretty reliable. | Jul 02 23:44 |
| msb__ | Being under the skin, and having only a small antenna, the chip could not be activated from a great distance, let alone from a satellite. But a transmitter 20 feet away could probably trigger it. | Jul 02 23:49 |
| cubexyz | I was wrong about AntiX | Jul 03 00:20 |
| cubexyz | it has systemd, even though I thought I removed it | Jul 03 00:20 |
| cubexyz | could be because I've installed it on two machines, but only removed systemd on one of them | Jul 03 00:22 |
| cubexyz | yes, that's what happened | Jul 03 00:23 |
| cubexyz | so I wasn't really wrong I suppose | Jul 03 00:23 |
| cubexyz | kind of neat, it seeems to switch over to init automatically after "apt-get remove systemd" | Jul 03 00:24 |
| cubexyz | but it runs systemd as default, one has to watch out for that | Jul 03 00:26 |
| cubexyz | I was running upstart on Fedora 14 without even realizing it | Jul 03 00:27 |
| cubexyz | it seems it use the same command structure as sysvinit | Jul 03 00:28 |
| cubexyz | if you look at the process status on Fedora 14 it shows "/sbin/init" which looks very similar to sysvinit "init [5]" | Jul 03 00:29 |
| cubexyz | my plan is to learn about all the different init systems | Jul 03 00:34 |
| cubexyz | it's odd, I was using upstart on one laptop since 2011 without knowing I was running Upstart | Jul 03 00:38 |
| cubexyz | I was also running one Fedora 10 box (also had upstart) which had an uptime of 165 days | Jul 03 00:39 |
| cubexyz | but the longest uptimes were on openbsd (bsd init) and my server (sysvinit) | Jul 03 00:40 |
| cubexyz | also I had an uptime of 273 days on Fedora 16 (my sole systemd box) | Jul 03 00:40 |
| cubexyz | but so far I have to say that openbsd was the most reliable | Jul 03 00:41 |
| cubexyz | I don't reboot much so I didn't really notice the faster boot times, or measure it | Jul 03 00:42 |
| r_schestowitz | antiX has a new release | Jul 03 01:07 |
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| cubexyz | I'm still on AntiX 13.2 and I'm happy with it | Jul 03 01:14 |
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| cubexyz | oiaohm, there's no democracy with systemd | Jul 03 02:01 |
| cubexyz | they tried to force it down everyone's throat | Jul 03 02:02 |
| cubexyz | I have to study the situation more, but I think I'm OK with upstart | Jul 03 02:02 |
| cubexyz | /etc/inittab could be different | Jul 03 02:08 |
| cubexyz | Debian _forced_ Ubuntu into systemd, I heard the Canonical folks were quite happy with upstart | Jul 03 02:11 |
| cubexyz | Shuttleworth: "systemd is hugely invasive and hardly justified" | Jul 03 02:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Top 5 Android phones — July 2015 | Jul 03 02:18 |
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| cubexyz | as long as upstart didn't change everything like /etc/cron.hourly | Jul 03 02:19 |
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| msb__ | I and everyone else have been using sysvinit for years. Why shouldn't I continue? I might have some unreaped zombies sometime? | Jul 03 03:06 |
| cubexyz | except we haven't all been using sysvinit | Jul 03 03:11 |
| cubexyz | Fedora 9: uses upstart, released in 2008 | Jul 03 03:12 |
| cubexyz | also openbsd uses bsd init | Jul 03 03:12 |
| cubexyz | void linux uses runit | Jul 03 03:12 |
| cubexyz | things have diverged from sysvinit a lot, which I'm starting to clue into | Jul 03 03:13 |
| cubexyz | so far I'm not seeing any defunct processes with upstart or bsd init, and bsd has been up for over a year | Jul 03 03:14 |
| cubexyz | is upstart miles better than sysvinit? I doubt it | Jul 03 03:15 |
| cubexyz | google chrome uses upstart, so it must be decent | Jul 03 03:17 |
| cubexyz | I think openSUSE switched to systemd in 12.1 | Jul 03 03:18 |
| cubexyz | some tablets even run upstart | Jul 03 03:18 |
| cubexyz | if you're comfortable with sysvinit you should be OK with upstart | Jul 03 03:19 |
| cubexyz | it seems to be designed as a work-alike | Jul 03 03:19 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Upstart is just terrible. | Jul 03 03:19 |
| XRevan86 | it's like systemd but ugly | Jul 03 03:19 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: If you're comfortable with Upstart you should be OK with systemd. | Jul 03 03:21 |
| cubexyz | upstart seems very similar to sysvinit | Jul 03 03:23 |
| cubexyz | chkconfig is still there | Jul 03 03:23 |
| cubexyz | service --status-all | Jul 03 03:23 |
| cubexyz | what's ugly about upstart? | Jul 03 03:24 |
| msb__ | What's wrong with having a few zombies? Are they going to eat my brain? | Jul 03 03:24 |
| cubexyz | sudo service cups restart <- also the same as sysvinit | Jul 03 03:25 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: "service --status-all" is there because Ubuntu makes symlinks in /etc/init.d/ to upstart | Jul 03 03:25 |
| cubexyz | it's Fedora 14 actually | Jul 03 03:25 |
| XRevan86 | openSUSE does systemd symlinks like /usr/sbin/rcfoo | Jul 03 03:26 |
| cubexyz | ok, well I'm running traditional sysvinit on some boxes still | Jul 03 03:26 |
| msb__ | ok. MOST people have been using sysvinit with Linux for 14 years or more. What actual problems have they had because of that? | Jul 03 03:26 |
| XRevan86 | > what's ugly about upstart? | Jul 03 03:27 |
| XRevan86 | Upstart jobs | Jul 03 03:27 |
| cubexyz | I've been using sysvinit a lot longer than 14 years, and I honestly can't recall any problems with it | Jul 03 03:27 |
| msb__ | I've occasionally looked at some of the device scripts. I can understand them. No big deal. | Jul 03 03:28 |
| cubexyz | msb__, which init system are you using now? | Jul 03 03:28 |
| XRevan86 | Anyway, this compatibility with service, chkconfig is just compatibility. | Jul 03 03:28 |
| msb__ | I've stopped and started the network occasionally. Easy | Jul 03 03:28 |
| XRevan86 | upstart doesn't need that | Jul 03 03:28 |
| msb__ | sysvinit | Jul 03 03:28 |
| msb__ | several years old version of suse | Jul 03 03:29 |
| cubexyz | are you _sure_ it's sysvinit and not upstart? do a man init to be certain | Jul 03 03:29 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: He's using openSUSE 11.4. | Jul 03 03:29 |
| msb__ | root says init is /sys/bin/init | Jul 03 03:30 |
| msb__ | XRevan86: Thanks. now I'll get hacked. | Jul 03 03:31 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: If you don't have ssh-server then probably not :). | Jul 03 03:32 |
| cubexyz | ok, I think upstart was in openSUSE 11.3 but not as default | Jul 03 03:32 |
| msb__ | I have ssh-agent | Jul 03 03:33 |
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| XRevan86 | msb__: It's a thing for remembering your ssh key. | Jul 03 03:33 |
| XRevan86 | clienty | Jul 03 03:33 |
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| msb__ | I don't even know how that shit works. | Jul 03 03:34 |
| XRevan86 | Old GNU/Linux is somewhat safe when it gives nothing to network (http server, ssh server, MTA, etc.). | Jul 03 03:34 |
| msb__ | no apache | Jul 03 03:35 |
| msb__ | use simple stupid programs for getting and sending mail | Jul 03 03:35 |
| msb__ | If I have zombies I'll kill 'em myself. | Jul 03 03:38 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: Zombies are not easy to kill. | Jul 03 03:38 |
| msb__ | Cut off their heads. That works for almost everything. -- Buffy | Jul 03 03:38 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: What to do with headless zombies? | Jul 03 03:38 |
| msb__ | kill -9 ? | Jul 03 03:38 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: Nope. | Jul 03 03:39 |
| msb__ | as root? | Jul 03 03:39 |
| cubexyz | kill the parent | Jul 03 03:39 |
| msb__ | I thought zombies' parents _are_ dead. | Jul 03 03:40 |
| cubexyz | I don't think defunct processes use any resources? | Jul 03 03:40 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: Zombies do not exist without parents. | Jul 03 03:40 |
| XRevan86 | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1175324 wait, WTF? | Jul 03 03:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.mozilla.org | 1175324 – Version # is not shown in Add-on Manager [ http://ur1.ca/mzmpa ] | Jul 03 03:42 | |
| XRevan86 | One can ask: will you, XRevan86, swallow even this? | Jul 03 03:43 |
| XRevan86 | And I will answer: yes, I will. | Jul 03 03:43 |
| cubexyz | do a pstree and you can see the parents | Jul 03 03:43 |
| msb__ | I've been up for 3 weeks. No zombies. | Jul 03 03:44 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: You have an init that slayes them for you. | Jul 03 03:44 |
| msb__ | Right, sysvinit. | Jul 03 03:45 |
| msb__ | Don't even need Buffy. | Jul 03 03:45 |
| msb__ | or systemd | Jul 03 03:46 |
| msb__ | even though oiaohm says I do | Jul 03 03:46 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: If someone said to you that only systemd is good at slaying zombies, that's probably a lie. | Jul 03 03:47 |
| msb__ | he says sysvinit won't slay _some_ zombies, but I forget which. | Jul 03 03:47 |
| cubexyz | killing the parent should "slay the zombie" | Jul 03 03:49 |
| cubexyz | even on old old old linux :) | Jul 03 03:49 |
| cubexyz | just don't kill init | Jul 03 03:51 |
| cubexyz | so as long as the parent process isn't PPID 1 | Jul 03 03:53 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: So the best way to handle zombie is to not have a defunct init. | Jul 03 03:54 |
| XRevan86 | I'll go now :). | Jul 03 04:06 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: upstart using ptrace and systemd and openrc using cgroup catchs breakaway processes that sysvinit misses. | Jul 03 04:44 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: note these are not zombie processes | Jul 03 04:45 |
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| r_schestowitz | "I suppose they are watching you." | Jul 03 04:45 |
| r_schestowitz | I know they are because insiders told me so | Jul 03 04:45 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: these are where a service has forked something off to process something and they been come unconnected to the PID so sysvinit does not kill them. | Jul 03 04:45 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: and the result is file can remain locked and other things so preventing services from being able to restart. | Jul 03 04:45 |
| oiaohm | msb__: you also need to read this. I did not say systemd was better at killing zombie process. Zombie processes don't consome large amounts of cpu time or possibley crimple the complete system. | Jul 03 04:49 |
| oiaohm | msb__: broken ways processes from services can in fact consume all your ram and cpu time. | Jul 03 04:50 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: I've been using Linux for about 14 years and this has never happened to me. | Jul 03 04:53 |
| msb__ | always used sysvinit and leave computer running all the time | Jul 03 04:54 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: have you ever seen this happen? | Jul 03 04:55 |
| cubexyz | resource exhaustion is always possible | Jul 03 04:55 |
| msb__ | (without purposely making it happen) | Jul 03 04:55 |
| cubexyz | and I can't think of any operating system that's invulnerable to it | Jul 03 04:56 |
| oiaohm | msb__: I have had it happen 8 different times. | Jul 03 04:56 |
| msb__ | What caused it? | Jul 03 04:56 |
| oiaohm | One time was network issue causing postgres replication system to go left. | Jul 03 04:57 |
| oiaohm | So it has spawned a nice lot of processes sysvinit had lost. | Jul 03 04:57 |
| oiaohm | I have had mysql do it another. | Jul 03 04:57 |
| oiaohm | I have had apache do it to me running php websites | Jul 03 04:57 |
| oiaohm | resource exhaustion is always possible true but when it happening knowing what in heck is causing it is extrealy helpful. As well as being absolutely being able to kill the item that has gone out of control. | Jul 03 04:59 |
| oiaohm | msb__: put it this way not one of the 8 times it happened to me has been the same or a case of intentionally setting out to do it. | Jul 03 05:00 |
| msb__ | I run a system monitor that shows cpu and memory usage per process. | Jul 03 05:00 |
| msb__ | The only trouble I get is from having hundreds of tabs open in firefox because I'm too lazy to remove/bookmark them. | Jul 03 05:00 |
| oiaohm | msb__: when it a fork aways gone stupid seeing per process is not that useful. | Jul 03 05:01 |
| oiaohm | Seeing per group that X group is running a lot of short running processes you know it gone nuts. | Jul 03 05:01 |
| msb__ | When it starts using almost the whole cpu it can use up something in X and crash it. So I have to kill ff before that happens, every few days. | Jul 03 05:02 |
| oiaohm | msb__: I have a few servers with a few thousand users hitting them. | Jul 03 05:03 |
| msb__ | when you say group do you mean cgroup? | Jul 03 05:03 |
| msb__ | the monitor also shows total cpu usage graphically, so it's easy to see if something's gone berserk | Jul 03 05:05 |
| oiaohm | Back latter | Jul 03 05:06 |
| msb__ | There was also some semantic analyzer that kde4 ran automatically that used up both cpu cores for hours. I found it and made it nonexecutable. | Jul 03 05:08 |
| msb__ | eventually did the same to kde4 | Jul 03 05:08 |
| cubexyz | I'm using kdm to front-end all my other wm's | Jul 03 05:17 |
| cubexyz | just learned how to add tinywm | Jul 03 05:18 |
| cubexyz | so I' | Jul 03 05:18 |
| cubexyz | so I'm extending KDE :) | Jul 03 05:18 |
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| cubexyz | got to hand it to the guy who wrote tinywm | Jul 03 05:19 |
| cubexyz | he wrote it in 58 lines of C | Jul 03 05:19 |
| oiaohm | msb__: showing total cpu usage does not tell you what server/user is repsonable. | Jul 03 05:25 |
| oiaohm | msb__: fun one was KDE starting mysql in user for indexing and that going wrong. So it looks like mysql service had gone wrong. | Jul 03 05:26 |
| oiaohm | Yep I restarted a mysql service with absolutely no reason. | Jul 03 05:26 |
| oiaohm | msb__: grouping by cgroup/zones or bsd tty make it down right clear where the trouble is coming form. | Jul 03 05:27 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: but programs don't do cgroup/zones by themselves, right? you have to start them that way? | Jul 03 05:31 |
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| oiaohm | msb__: define you have to start them that way. use of tty to split services bsd init does automatically on bsd. Solaris SMF automatically creates and applies zones around services for you. Systemd and openrc also automattically put cgroups around services. | Jul 03 05:41 |
| cubexyz | anyone know how to screenshot the kdm screen? | Jul 03 05:41 |
| msb__ | a camera | Jul 03 05:42 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: Thanks! | Jul 03 05:43 |
| oiaohm | msb__: basically if someone want to keep to sysvinit configuration files and is happy to use openrc I will have absolutely no issue with them. | Jul 03 05:44 |
| oiaohm | At least the system is simple to track down when something is wrong. | Jul 03 05:45 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: So are mysql and postgres services? | Jul 03 05:45 |
| oiaohm | msb__: I have them as services | Jul 03 05:45 |
| cubexyz | if you install mysql-server I think it's set up as a service | Jul 03 05:46 |
| oiaohm | msb__: I also have akonadi under my user running one. | Jul 03 05:46 |
| oiaohm | msb__: so if the service or the kde one goes nuts I really do need to know the difference clearly. | Jul 03 05:46 |
| oiaohm | So kill user or kill service | Jul 03 05:47 |
| msb__ | Are there any disadvantages to using openrc compared to sysvinit? | Jul 03 05:48 |
| oiaohm | Other than that openrc lack maturity | Jul 03 05:48 |
| oiaohm | Nothing. | Jul 03 05:48 |
| oiaohm | openrc support sysvinit and bsd style init files. | Jul 03 05:49 |
| oiaohm | A pure sysvinit system cannot use bsd init files. | Jul 03 05:49 |
| msb__ | so openrc is a drop-in replacement for sysvinit? | Jul 03 05:49 |
| msb__ | how does it lack maturity? | Jul 03 05:50 |
| cubexyz | hasn't been tested for 20+ years :) | Jul 03 05:51 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/616907216591810560 | Jul 03 05:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz How good are you @ Quantum Physics skills Roy? Cause "Scotty", I would like to be beamed to a more humane & intelligent reality | Jul 03 05:52 | |
| r_schestowitz | Convince people to reject bad broadcast | Jul 03 05:53 |
| cubexyz | ok, figured it out: | Jul 03 05:53 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/kdm.png | Jul 03 05:53 |
| cubexyz | those are all the wm's | Jul 03 05:53 |
| cubexyz | you add stuff to /usr/share/config/kdm/Xsetup | Jul 03 05:55 |
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| cubexyz | a possible security violation though :) | Jul 03 05:55 |
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| oiaohm | msb__: cubexyz is right openrc is still very young it has not got to 10 years yet. There are a few issues with using it cgroups to limit stuff without causing disasters. | Jul 03 05:56 |
| oiaohm | msb__: basically the advance functionalty of openrc that is optional is not well enough tested yet. | Jul 03 05:56 |
| oiaohm | msb__: and of course sysvinit did not have any of that functionality. | Jul 03 05:56 |
| cubexyz | don't install skynet-init though | Jul 03 05:58 |
| oiaohm | msb__: also note systemd lacks maturity and it kind of to be expected thinking it is only 5 years old. | Jul 03 05:58 |
| msb__ | systemd is also a takeover plot | Jul 03 05:59 |
| oiaohm | I want to see both openrc and systemd mature. | Jul 03 05:59 |
| cubexyz | systemd could be skynet ver 0.01 | Jul 03 05:59 |
| msb__ | yep | Jul 03 05:59 |
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| oiaohm | Interesting enough both openrc and systemd don't need to run as PID1 by design. | Jul 03 06:00 |
| msb__ | or, what was that older one? COLOSSUS? | Jul 03 06:01 |
| cubexyz | fortunately all the AIs suck | Jul 03 06:01 |
| cubexyz | so far :) | Jul 03 06:01 |
| msb__ | Is there a god? THERE IS NOW! | Jul 03 06:02 |
| cubexyz | I wonder where KDM gets the text data from | Jul 03 06:03 |
| oiaohm | The story of systemd is a sad one. | Jul 03 06:03 |
| oiaohm | The reason why systemd starts is Ubuntu between CLA and anti-cgroup point of view triggers redhat to go off and make their own. | Jul 03 06:04 |
| oiaohm | Also a lot of the projects that systemd project has absorbed had not had anyone other than redhat patch for over 3 years. | Jul 03 06:06 |
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| msb__ | That's the cover story. Another story is that Redhat is mobbed up with the US govt, which is controlled by US corporations, which want to kill Linux for the same reason that the US spent most of the 20th century attacking socialist nations. | Jul 03 06:06 |
| oiaohm | msb__: really if redhat wanted to destroy Linux there are way simpler ways todo that than attack the init system. | Jul 03 06:07 |
| msb__ | Gives the slaves the dangerous idea that they could stop giving all the wealth to the 0.1% richest. | Jul 03 06:07 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: This way has the advantage that it uses salami-slicing aka camel's nose under the tent. | Jul 03 06:08 |
| msb__ | aka boiling frogs | Jul 03 06:09 |
| cubexyz | except redhat makes major $$$ selling linux services | Jul 03 06:09 |
| oiaohm | msb__: why include as a requirement of systemd that it could work without pid1 | Jul 03 06:09 |
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| oiaohm | systemd is infact designed the means to run next to a completely different init system. | Jul 03 06:09 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: Sure, and they will continue to do so even when it's no longer really Linux. | Jul 03 06:10 |
| cubexyz | ok well that's creeping evil then | Jul 03 06:10 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit and upstart were more designed to destory Linux. | Jul 03 06:10 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, that makes no sense :) | Jul 03 06:10 |
| cubexyz | sysvinit goes back to system III Unix | Jul 03 06:10 |
| oiaohm | Neither sysvinit or upstart can run inside another init system. | Jul 03 06:11 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: you need to be more paranoid | Jul 03 06:11 |
| cubexyz | it was designed before Linux ever existed | Jul 03 06:11 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: exactly the point. | Jul 03 06:11 |
| oiaohm | It was not design to work with Linux. | Jul 03 06:11 |
| oiaohm | The fact it would mafunction made unixs using better init systems look good. | Jul 03 06:12 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: watch the 911 videos in the orange box in my homepage cosmicpenguin.com | Jul 03 06:12 |
| oiaohm | Its also interesting with kdbus that is being designed as a loadable module. | Jul 03 06:13 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: Then ask yourself why the US invaded Afghanistan and Iraq and murdered a million people in each. Then ask yourself why it destroyed socialist Libya. And why it's attacking Syria, Ukraine and Venezuela. | Jul 03 06:14 |
| oiaohm | The answer for the USA is simple. | Jul 03 06:14 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: There's more going on in the world than software. | Jul 03 06:14 |
| oiaohm | No wars no arms sales there complete finance system will fail. | Jul 03 06:14 |
| oiaohm | USA is one of the worlds largest arms makers. | Jul 03 06:15 |
| oiaohm | msb__: exactly why did the USA sell Iraq biological weapons. | Jul 03 06:16 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: That's not the whole answer. The US ultrawealthy also want to control the world. And they want to destroy socialism everywhere it exists so that they can siphon off all the money. | Jul 03 06:16 |
| oiaohm | msb__: or fund the sabom whosain to get into popwer. | Jul 03 06:16 |
| oiaohm | USA ultrawealthy LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL | Jul 03 06:16 |
| oiaohm | msb__: have you not seeing the USA Debt | Jul 03 06:17 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: because it wanted Iraq and Iran to kill each other | Jul 03 06:17 |
| msb__ | I doubt that it sold bioweapons to Iraq - just gave them. | Jul 03 06:17 |
| oiaohm | msb__: no the USA sold them. | Jul 03 06:18 |
| msb__ | for how much? | Jul 03 06:18 |
| oiaohm | It was the invoices that told the mil forces how much they were looking for. | Jul 03 06:18 |
| msb__ | for how much? | Jul 03 06:19 |
| oiaohm | msb__: I don't have the copy of invoice here. | Jul 03 06:19 |
| oiaohm | http://www.usdebtclock.org/ | Jul 03 06:19 |
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| cubexyz | US gov doesn't tell oiaohm everything :) | Jul 03 06:20 |
| msb__ | bioweapons self-replicate. Only a starting culture is needed. | Jul 03 06:20 |
| msb__ | But oiaohm has latched on to US debt as the reason for it making war on the whole world for a century. There's more to it than that. | Jul 03 06:21 |
| oiaohm | No it was the idea that USA is rich. | Jul 03 06:22 |
| msb__ | A few people in the US are very rich indeed. | Jul 03 06:22 |
| msb__ | Rich enough to control the govt and its huge military. | Jul 03 06:23 |
| oiaohm | When it comes down to it notice two figs total assets per person 368.844 and ammount owed 818,548 | Jul 03 06:23 |
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| oiaohm | So if the USA debt repayments ever failed and the debt was called in even the richest person the the USA would have nothing. | Jul 03 06:23 |
| msb__ | Average figures do not tell the story. | Jul 03 06:24 |
| oiaohm | So usa people are only rich on paper not rich by asset. | Jul 03 06:24 |
| msb__ | No, SOME few US people are rich enough in actual wealth to control the govt (and media). | Jul 03 06:25 |
| oiaohm | msb__: they do tell this story. When debt it called in the assets of country can be held to account. All current paper rich in banks can be instantly deleted as the USA currenty gets turn to being valued 0 to pay. | Jul 03 06:25 |
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| oiaohm | So the few people paper rich pulling the strings with the USA governement are very stupid. | Jul 03 06:26 |
| msb__ | A. they are also rich in gold silver and material assets like farms and factories B. other nations will be reluctant to "call in the debt" of a nation with enough H-bombs to destroy the world many times over. | Jul 03 06:28 |
| cubexyz | has that ever happened? one country calling in the debts of another? | Jul 03 06:28 |
| cubexyz | or do they just forgive the debt? | Jul 03 06:29 |
| oiaohm | msb__: most of USA debt is with china. | Jul 03 06:30 |
| oiaohm | China the people there are truly rich. Not just in paper but also have low debt. | Jul 03 06:30 |
| cubexyz | http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/11/the-long-story-of-us-debt-from-1790-to-2011-in-1-little-chart/265185/ | Jul 03 06:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theatlantic.com | The Long Story of U.S. Debt, From 1790 to 2011, in 1 Little Chart - The Atlantic [ http://ur1.ca/mzo32 ] | Jul 03 06:30 | |
| cubexyz | they were doing great in 1835 | Jul 03 06:30 |
| oiaohm | China could pay out there debts any time they want to. | Jul 03 06:30 |
| oiaohm | Another country that is supprising good is mexcio. | Jul 03 06:31 |
| oiaohm | Russia and China are both in locations they can clear their debts. | Jul 03 06:31 |
| oiaohm | Without requiring there currenty to go to hell. | Jul 03 06:31 |
| oiaohm | Greese of course makes USA look good. | Jul 03 06:32 |
| oiaohm | Japan is the country I always wonder about. Its so deep in the hole yet no one calls in its loans. | Jul 03 06:33 |
| oiaohm | The issue here countries around the world have been running on their credit cards. | Jul 03 06:35 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: Why did the US attack Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela? It had to spend money to buy weapons. That increased its debt. | Jul 03 06:36 |
| msb__ | and Libya | Jul 03 06:36 |
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| oiaohm | msb__: where did the USA buy those weapons from. | Jul 03 06:36 |
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| msb__ | From US corporations. | Jul 03 06:37 |
| oiaohm | USA mostly buys weapons from the USA. | Jul 03 06:37 |
| oiaohm | Then that funds USA companies to make weapons it exports to other countries. | Jul 03 06:37 |
| msb__ | But it increases the govt debt. | Jul 03 06:37 |
| oiaohm | You could say that every time the USA goes to war its a weapon demostration to sell product. | Jul 03 06:37 |
| oiaohm | And to perform population control. | Jul 03 06:38 |
| msb__ | But why does the US selectively attack socialist nations? | Jul 03 06:38 |
| oiaohm | Remember what I said about paper rich people in the USA being idiots. | Jul 03 06:38 |
| oiaohm | USA does not attack all socialist nations. | Jul 03 06:39 |
| oiaohm | Social nations that buy weapons from the USA the USA leaves alone. | Jul 03 06:39 |
| msb__ | It attacks all those not strong enough to fight back. | Jul 03 06:39 |
| oiaohm | Not at all. | Jul 03 06:39 |
| cubexyz | Japan: debt-to-GDP > 200% | Jul 03 06:39 |
| oiaohm | USA attacks countries that mostly buys weapons from russia and china. | Jul 03 06:40 |
| cubexyz | which is odd because people do buy a lot of stuff made in Japan | Jul 03 06:40 |
| oiaohm | In other words the competition in the global arms trade. | Jul 03 06:40 |
| oiaohm | msb__: I did have a list of socialist coutnries the USA sells arms to. | Jul 03 06:41 |
| oiaohm | And the fact the USA never says a bad word about them. | Jul 03 06:41 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: You don't think rich people try to destroy socialism because they want to stay rich? | Jul 03 06:41 |
| oiaohm | I think socialism has nothing todo with it msb__ I think socialism is just an excuse. | Jul 03 06:42 |
| oiaohm | Just like they are terriorist is being used as an execuse now. | Jul 03 06:42 |
| oiaohm | Its not like the USA has not sold weapons and trained terriorest themselves. | Jul 03 06:42 |
| msb__ | Yes it has. To conquer nations and keep the world in fear so it accepts US attacks. | Jul 03 06:44 |
| oiaohm | Anything about a country that means the USA is unable to effectively trade with a country to attempt to make some of their idiot paper rich people more rich. | Jul 03 06:44 |
| oiaohm | Will see that country attacked. | Jul 03 06:44 |
| oiaohm | msb__: read the top 10 socialist countries http://blog.peerform.com/top-ten-most-socialist-countries-in-the-world/ Yep only 1 on that list has the USA ever threatend. | Jul 03 06:51 |
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| oiaohm | The anti-socialism speach of the USA is not matched by actions. | Jul 03 06:52 |
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| msb__ | Those are mixed economies where the govt provides more benefits to citizens than the US does. But they still allow capitalist to become wealthy by ripping off the poor and middle classes. As exemplified by the popup window that wants to rob me by loaning me money at interest. | Jul 03 07:03 |
| msb__ | Real socialist nations -- Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Libya -- are the ones the US attacks and destroys. | Jul 03 07:08 |
| oiaohm | You just listed countries that Russia and china has historically provided arms to. | Jul 03 07:16 |
| msb__ | Yes because Russia and China were socialist and wanted to protect weaker socialist nations from capitalist US attacks. | Jul 03 07:18 |
| oiaohm | In affica and other places usa provided arms and equipment to other socialist nations. | Jul 03 07:19 |
| oiaohm | Reality you arguement msb__ does not follow up invenstagion. | Jul 03 07:19 |
| msb__ | The US govt murdered the socialist Patrice Lumumba. | Jul 03 07:21 |
| msb__ | Wealthy Americans financed and armed Hitler to murder socialist throughout Europe and USSR. | Jul 03 07:24 |
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| msb__ | http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_Nazis | Jul 03 07:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone | Jul 03 07:24 | |
| oiaohm | msb__: they have also financed to kill people calling for public votes and the like in non socialist countries | Jul 03 07:25 |
| oiaohm | Sorry its not that black and white. | Jul 03 07:25 |
| oiaohm | USA anything to make a buck no matter who has to die. | Jul 03 07:26 |
| msb__ | Sure. The US opposes anything that gives people more power, because that gives the wealthy less opportunity to get more wealthy. | Jul 03 07:26 |
| oiaohm | The Yes Men - Acceptable Risk launch is a good video for how the USA operates. | Jul 03 07:27 |
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| msb__ | The US govt murdered John and Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King, all of whom wanted to give ordinary people more economic power. | Jul 03 07:28 |
| oiaohm | Anti-socalism and Anti-terrorism add on anti-civildisobenance. And you cover anyone | Jul 03 07:28 |
| msb__ | No, you don't cover the ultra-wealthy. | Jul 03 07:29 |
| oiaohm | msb__: Usa is plan and simple greed | Jul 03 07:29 |
| msb__ | While the ultra-wealthy are terrorists, the US govt does not attack them. It aids them, because they control the govt. | Jul 03 07:29 |
| oiaohm | msb__: those three cover anyone who is a threat to the ulta paper wealthy. | Jul 03 07:29 |
| oiaohm | Please note the terrorist card supplying/helping is used to remove those who get ultra paper wealthy and attempt to change the system. | Jul 03 07:31 |
| oiaohm | USA is a idiots reforcing a system operated by idiots. | Jul 03 07:31 |
| oiaohm | I don't know anything other than USA defaulting that is going to fix it. | Jul 03 07:32 |
| oiaohm | Maybe after defaulting they will at least grow a brain and understand that a country operating on the credit card is bad. | Jul 03 07:33 |
| msb__ | That won't eliminate the US military nor impoverish the non-paper ultra wealthy. It will just starve and evict ordinary Americans. | Jul 03 07:33 |
| oiaohm | Because there paper money is only worth money if the country providing it is worth money. | Jul 03 07:33 |
| oiaohm | You have something badly wrong. | Jul 03 07:34 |
| oiaohm | Depends on who the USA defaults to. | Jul 03 07:34 |
| oiaohm | USA defaults to china the USA might not be allowed a standing military. | Jul 03 07:34 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/616932292183871489 | Jul 03 07:35 |
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| oiaohm | Japan end of second world war so far in debt they had to default to the winners. | Jul 03 07:35 |
| oiaohm | Exactly how would the non paper ultra wealthy be existing. | Jul 03 07:36 |
| msb__ | Japan was defeated militarily. How would China prevent the US from having a military? | Jul 03 07:36 |
| oiaohm | Remember all gold in banks all land rights..... goes to the party that holds the debt. | Jul 03 07:36 |
| oiaohm | msb__: china can claim the metal of the USA mil weapons as payment for some of the debt | Jul 03 07:37 |
| msb__ | How would China collect it? | Jul 03 07:37 |
| oiaohm | How does china collect the gold they recieve now to pay the debt. | Jul 03 07:38 |
| oiaohm | The USA hands it over not to have other issues. | Jul 03 07:39 |
| oiaohm | Countries that have default to china have suffered some really bad things. | Jul 03 07:40 |
| oiaohm | Like complete forrest in thoses countries national parks being cleared. | Jul 03 07:40 |
| msb__ | US citizens buy a lot of cheap goods from China. China could threaten not to sell us anymore. USians would starve. But the US govt wouldn't care, and would not hand over any weapons, | Jul 03 07:40 |
| oiaohm | msb__: international laws you owe debt the result can be a zero trade position. | Jul 03 07:41 |
| msb__ | The US might fly some over, but the Chinese would not enjoy receiving them. | Jul 03 07:41 |
| oiaohm | Basically USA unable to trade with anyone else they make some forms of token payment. | Jul 03 07:41 |
| oiaohm | Attacking china would fail the token payment requirement. | Jul 03 07:42 |
| oiaohm | As I said being in debt can turn into a really nasty hole. | Jul 03 07:42 |
| msb__ | The US govt cares nothing for international law -- attacks and invades other nations constantly. | Jul 03 07:42 |
| oiaohm | USA need the protection of international waters todo a lot of that. | Jul 03 07:43 |
| oiaohm | When in a zero trade location there is nothing in international law preventing your ships from just being sunk. | Jul 03 07:43 |
| msb__ | That's why it has a huge navy. | Jul 03 07:43 |
| oiaohm | Remember zero trade its open season for pirates against you boats. | Jul 03 07:44 |
| oiaohm | China navy has todo nothing. | Jul 03 07:44 |
| msb__ | pirates against U-boats would not do well | Jul 03 07:45 |
| msb__ | US gets a lot of food from Mexico. It still would. | Jul 03 07:46 |
| oiaohm | msb__: exactly why would Mexico if USD is worth 0 | Jul 03 07:47 |
| oiaohm | Zero trade means you don't have a currency to trade with. | Jul 03 07:47 |
| msb__ | US still manufactures some goods here, and would sell them to Mexico for USD. | Jul 03 07:48 |
| oiaohm | Zero trade USD is worth nothing. | Jul 03 07:48 |
| msb__ | Says who? | Jul 03 07:48 |
| oiaohm | So USA would have to sell for mexio currenty. | Jul 03 07:48 |
| oiaohm | That is what happens when a country defaults | Jul 03 07:49 |
| msb__ | ??? | Jul 03 07:49 |
| oiaohm | In a major way. | Jul 03 07:49 |
| oiaohm | Their currency ceases to be usable for trade. Heck even for tax | Jul 03 07:49 |
| oiaohm | This is why countries with high debt levels should be focused on getting it under control. | Jul 03 07:50 |
| msb__ | The international trade and banking system is controlled by many of the same criminals that control the US govt. | Jul 03 07:51 |
| oiaohm | No Internation trade and banking system is controled mostly by the swiss. | Jul 03 07:51 |
| msb__ | The trade/debt rules that apply to other nations would not apply to the US. | Jul 03 07:51 |
| msb__ | The swiss Rothschilds? | Jul 03 07:51 |
| oiaohm | The swiss bankers make Rothschilds look like angels. | Jul 03 07:52 |
| oiaohm | You remember swiss bankers have no problem taken gold from your populations teeth. | Jul 03 07:52 |
| oiaohm | To pay down a debt | Jul 03 07:52 |
| msb__ | Swiss = Nazis? | Jul 03 07:53 |
| oiaohm | Swiss took the gold Nazis got from the constration camps to pay of debts the Nazis owed them. | Jul 03 07:53 |
| oiaohm | Swiss was basically netural for the complete second war. | Jul 03 07:54 |
| msb__ | Because the Nazis were militarily defeated. | Jul 03 07:54 |
| oiaohm | They took what ever from who ever. | Jul 03 07:54 |
| oiaohm | Pure greed | Jul 03 07:54 |
| oiaohm | Swiss understand the meaning of being really rich. | Jul 03 07:54 |
| msb__ | The US can't be militarily defeated. | Jul 03 07:54 |
| oiaohm | If you cannot defeat a country by Militarily defeat them by money. | Jul 03 07:55 |
| msb__ | Paper cuts? | Jul 03 07:56 |
| oiaohm | Kind of. | Jul 03 07:56 |
| oiaohm | Have you not noticed that USA means to make silcon chips has reduced. | Jul 03 07:56 |
| oiaohm | So by making it cheaper to produce this stuff in china and other asian countries. | Jul 03 07:57 |
| oiaohm | ie not the USA | Jul 03 07:57 |
| msb__ | Only because we can get them cheaper elsewhere. | Jul 03 07:57 |
| oiaohm | This is defeat by money. | Jul 03 07:57 |
| oiaohm | Without advanced silcon production you cannot make advanced weapons right msb__ | Jul 03 07:57 |
| msb__ | Those factories can be rebuilt. | Jul 03 07:57 |
| msb__ | But with better, current, technology. | Jul 03 07:58 |
| oiaohm | From where if you no longer have the trained and skilled popluation. | Jul 03 07:58 |
| oiaohm | China is willing to wage a war that lasts 300+ years. | Jul 03 07:58 |
| msb__ | US plenty of trained and skilled, Most of us are just out of work. | Jul 03 07:59 |
| msb__ | US has plenty of trained and skilled, Most of us are just out of work. | Jul 03 07:59 |
| oiaohm | Warring States period in china is partly where there fight by money comes from. | Jul 03 08:00 |
| oiaohm | Note I said 300 years msb__ | Jul 03 08:01 |
| oiaohm | China is willing to wait the USA out. | Jul 03 08:01 |
| msb__ | Today a big war would last 3 days. | Jul 03 08:01 |
| oiaohm | hope that people stop going after key jobs | Jul 03 08:01 |
| oiaohm | So when the current trained die out there are no replacments. | Jul 03 08:01 |
| oiaohm | Attack after the USA has let themselves become crippled. | Jul 03 08:02 |
| msb__ | rotsa ruck | Jul 03 08:02 |
| oiaohm | Problem is it working. | Jul 03 08:02 |
| oiaohm | Before china started trading heavily with the usa a lot of those highly trained people would have had no problem getting jobs. | Jul 03 08:03 |
| msb__ | US military not being defeated. With remote-controlled drones it's much easier to fight. | Jul 03 08:04 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: Do you work in a bank or something? | Jul 03 08:05 |
| oiaohm | http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/china-building-42000-military-drones-should-america-worry-12856 | Jul 03 08:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nationalinterest.org | China Is Building 42,000 Military Drones: Should America Worry? | The National Interest Blog [ http://ur1.ca/mzouo ] | Jul 03 08:06 | |
| oiaohm | China will have 6 to 1 in drones | Jul 03 08:06 |
| oiaohm | So china bigger per person army and a bigger drone army. | Jul 03 08:07 |
| oiaohm | msb__: I have worked at a bank. | Jul 03 08:09 |
| oiaohm | The problem is a lot of the arguements why the USA is not defeatable is not based on facts. | Jul 03 08:10 |
| msb__ | nationalinterest.org is BS. Talks about US war on terror as if it were real. US backs the terrorists. | Jul 03 08:10 |
| oiaohm | The reality is super power vs super power USA is not getting stronger. | Jul 03 08:10 |
| msb__ | Once a nation has the power to kill everyone on the planet several times over, mutual strength does not matter. | Jul 03 08:12 |
| oiaohm | You are forgetting process of nuke disarmement. | Jul 03 08:12 |
| oiaohm | China, Russa and the USA all had the power to kill everyone on the planet | Jul 03 08:13 |
| oiaohm | Of course this is being disasmebled. | Jul 03 08:13 |
| oiaohm | What is the finacal gain in killing everyone. | Jul 03 08:13 |
| msb__ | Considering fallout, they still do, and will. | Jul 03 08:14 |
| oiaohm | Fallout depends if that will be a issue. | Jul 03 08:15 |
| oiaohm | You have to remember china in hong kong are working on food production inside buildings. | Jul 03 08:15 |
| oiaohm | Lot of new china cities poplations can live there and never go outside. | Jul 03 08:15 |
| oiaohm | So threat of Fallout against china is almost a joke. | Jul 03 08:16 |
| oiaohm | msb__: see the problem when dealing with a side that is willing to take over 300 years and get everything in order first. | Jul 03 08:17 |
| msb__ | we must not allow a mineshaft gap! | Jul 03 08:17 |
| oiaohm | China it will be a direct strike or don't bother doing anything. | Jul 03 08:18 |
| cubexyz | I'm going to guess that's from Dr Strangelove even though I've never seen it | Jul 03 08:18 |
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| msb__ | Correct! Well worth watching. | Jul 03 08:19 |
| oiaohm | From what I see of the big picture long term for USA does not look good. | Jul 03 08:20 |
| oiaohm | Of course USA could dig it way out of these problems if it gets some decent leader ship. | Jul 03 08:21 |
| msb__ | “The best laid schemes o' Mice an' Men, Gang aft agley,” | Jul 03 08:21 |
| cubexyz | the Americans gave us Unix but also gave us Microsoft :) | Jul 03 08:22 |
| oiaohm | msb__: problem here USA is not even using anywhere near the best laid scheme | Jul 03 08:25 |
| msb__ | Peter Sellers plays three different roles. | Jul 03 08:26 |
| oiaohm | I like all the news about USA spying on the EU. Most of that has to come by pine gap in Australia | Jul 03 08:26 |
| msb__ | China's best-laid plans will fail too. | Jul 03 08:27 |
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| oiaohm | msb__: art of war always plan for failure | Jul 03 08:31 |
| msb__ | written by Stanley Kubrick and Terry Southern | Jul 03 08:31 |
| msb__ | has some great lines: "You can't fight here. This is the War Room!" | Jul 03 08:32 |
| msb__ | But failure can't be planned for. You don't know how it will fail. | Jul 03 08:32 |
| oiaohm | Really the art of war how to plan for failure does cover how to avoid the worse outcomes of a failed plan. | Jul 03 08:33 |
| oiaohm | Not knowing how a plan will fail don't do anything that will directly appear agressive. | Jul 03 08:34 |
| msb__ | The Pentagon refused to lend any support to the film after they read the script. | Jul 03 08:36 |
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| msb__ | "don't do anything that will directly appear agressive" That could make it difficult to pursue a war. | Jul 03 12:49 |
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| r_schestowitz | [13:06] <oiaohm> http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/china-building-42000-military-drones-should-america-worry-12856 | Jul 03 13:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nationalinterest.org | China Is Building 42,000 Military Drones: Should America Worry? | The National Interest Blog [ http://ur1.ca/mzouo ] | Jul 03 13:22 | |
| r_schestowitz | Just read it | Jul 03 13:22 |
| r_schestowitz | It's a neocon site | Jul 03 13:22 |
| r_schestowitz | usually GOPish and hawkish | Jul 03 13:22 |
| r_schestowitz | and its point is, | Jul 03 13:22 |
| r_schestowitz | We in the US have tens of thousands of drones | Jul 03 13:22 |
| r_schestowitz | but when China does it, it's bad... because we're good, and there's bad. | Jul 03 13:22 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | did for Audio http://t.co/nrjyLviKmq | Jul 03 14:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora Pinos to do for Video what PulseAudio did for Audio | Tux Machines | Jul 03 14:16 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/mzryo | Jul 03 14:16 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/617044012705431553 | Jul 03 15:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz or they'll finally get back to doing some work! | Jul 03 15:00 | |
| r_schestowitz | rewriting press releases or pressing publish on ghostwritten 'articles' from copywriters and E-mail marketers is not work? | Jul 03 15:01 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/617046003074605056 | Jul 03 15:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz easiest way to work and earn a living😀. Conscience and self respect be damned. | Jul 03 15:06 | |
| r_schestowitz | Not part of the job. Pretending it is leads so-called journo grads to disappointment. | Jul 03 15:07 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Scientific Linux 7.1 review - More fiasco | Jul 03 15:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Scientific Linux 7.1 review - More fiasco | Tux Machines | Jul 03 15:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "Linux New Media...Working at that company | Jul 03 15:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | prepared me for the culture at Red Hat." | Jul 03 15:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/8HiNLRHeTE (opensource.com) | Jul 03 15:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com | Passion is the main ingredient at an open organization like Red Hat | Opensource.com | Jul 03 15:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines VirtualBox 5.0 RC3 Brings VMM Fixes, Takes Care | Jul 03 15:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Of Some KDE DnD Problems http://t.co/cEVCVqi9hc | Jul 03 15:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | VirtualBox 5.0 RC3 Brings VMM Fixes, Takes Care Of Some KDE DnD Problems - Phoronix | Jul 03 15:15 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Is Finally Fixing Its Annoying GRUB | Jul 03 16:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Is Finally Fixing Its Annoying GRUB Setting | Tux Machines | Jul 03 16:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Leftovers http://t.co/utOytuJSSA | Jul 03 16:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 03 16:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: OSS http://t.co/64LxpLGg9A | Jul 03 16:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: OSS | Tux Machines | Jul 03 16:04 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Eyed_Peas | Jul 03 16:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | The Black Eyed Peas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/mzt1u ] | Jul 03 16:14 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open source platform security considerations | Jul 03 16:25 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open source platform security considerations | Tux Machines | Jul 03 16:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Ubuntu http://t.co/HDXk1sr2Xd | Jul 03 16:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Ubuntu | Tux Machines | Jul 03 16:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 3/7/2015: KDE Applications 15.04.3, | Jul 03 16:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu-Flavored Compute Stick | Jul 03 16:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 3/7/2015: KDE Applications 15.04.3, Ubuntu-Flavored Compute Stick | Techrights | Jul 03 16:26 | |
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| r_schestowitz | >> > Sounds like it speaks of his highness, Microsoft Jack. Did you read my latest rebuttal to his BS? | Jul 03 16:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > I thought he was retired, a quick googling shows he's continuing as a paid shill for the MICROS~1 organization. I listened to that audio and it was ludicrous seeing him desperately trying to pretend that Microsoft invented the first GUI. Charles Arther at least tried to pull him up. | Jul 03 16:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jul 03 16:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > http://techrights.org/2015/06/27/microsoft-jack-insults-people/ | Jul 03 16:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jul 03 16:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > btw .. See here where Simon Cooke has gone back to work for the Microsoft organization. Well who would have figured. He's also a film director who doesn't actually make any movies. He's also a mental case .. him and Funkenbusch. I wonder what ever happened to him? | Jul 03 16:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jul 03 16:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Jack (Schofield) Promotes Microsoft’s Proprietary Lock-in and Calls People Who Recommend Free/Libre Software ‘Trolls’ | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/my9j2 ] | Jul 03 16:31 | |
| r_schestowitz | > https://www.linkedin.com/in/fleetingshadow | Jul 03 16:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linkedin.com | Simon Cooke | LinkedIn [ http://ur1.ca/mzt7u ] | Jul 03 16:31 | |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jul 03 16:31 |
| r_schestowitz | Never heard of that place he claims to have studied in, unless UoM used to be decoupled.... it was either UMIST of Victoria Uni of Manchester. | Jul 03 16:31 |
| r_schestowitz | Freelance Journalist | Jul 03 16:31 |
| r_schestowitz | Various UK Magazines | Jul 03 16:31 |
| r_schestowitz | 1993 – 1997 | Jul 03 16:31 |
| r_schestowitz | Did he promote early Windows there? | Jul 03 16:31 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/l5GqHIyIyR | Jul 03 16:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jul 03 16:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Is Finally Fixing Its Annoying GRUB | Jul 03 16:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Setting http://t.co/n72GYEOVb8 | Jul 03 16:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Ubuntu Is Finally Fixing Its Annoying GRUB Setting - Phoronix | Jul 03 16:54 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Jul 03 16:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/MvK5Us3mJU | Jul 03 16:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Jul 03 16:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/rZXLWbufAU | Jul 03 16:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Jul 03 16:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/yOcYS2Ogcq | Jul 03 16:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 03 16:55 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Aleks404/status/617080977093980160 | Jul 03 17:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Aleks404: #PJLRenseignement https://t.co/scCaNdvEqS | Jul 03 17:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "ordered the interception of every French company contract or negotiation valued at more than $200 ml" http://t.co/b6Udx0K3I5 #espionage | Jul 03 17:41 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/617088938000449537 | Jul 03 17:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz sez the guy wearing a suit in his profile pic ;-) err ... Wait. Must change my profile pic too :-) | Jul 03 17:55 | |
| r_schestowitz | hehe, true. Shame on me. | Jul 03 17:55 |
| r_schestowitz | Hey, yours looks like drag, Jan. :-p | Jul 03 17:55 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/617089561986998272 | Jul 03 17:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz you haven't seen my other suit. It's called Commando. From opposuits. Don't. Look. It. Up. ;-) | Jul 03 17:58 | |
| r_schestowitz | I can, but then GCHQ will have something on me ;-) | Jul 03 17:58 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/617090403632816128 | Jul 03 18:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz hahaha! That'll be the least of your worries, trust me!1!! | Jul 03 18:07 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/deusexstigma/status/617096258994458624 | Jul 03 18:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@deusexstigma: @schestowitz ++retch++ | Jul 03 18:28 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/horrorlibrarian/status/617096908817989632 | Jul 03 18:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@horrorlibrarian: @schestowitz @ACLU awesome! | Jul 03 18:29 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/617102980110618624 | Jul 03 18:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Strange coincidence: That's two of us. | Jul 03 18:51 | |
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| r_schestowitz | " | Jul 03 19:52 |
| r_schestowitz | I have some interesting plans for my next trip to #singapore (maybe in February), The abuses there are easy to expose, photograph, etc. | Jul 03 19:52 |
| r_schestowitz | Re http://ur1.ca/mzuzp should you really be telegraphing that? | Jul 03 19:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: I have some interesting plans for my next trip to #singapore (maybe in February), The abuses there are easy to expose, photograph, etc. | Jul 03 19:52 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jul 03 19:52 |
| r_schestowitz | yes, to test them, e.g. at the border | Jul 03 19:52 |
| r_schestowitz | "Right. If it's a test, then ok :-) What if they deny you entry?" | Jul 03 19:56 |
| r_schestowitz | I can wait at the airport in transit. They didn't raise any issues after all the things I wrote before and during last visit, e.g. re Shane Todd | Jul 03 19:57 |
| r_schestowitz | > See this comment on slashdot, couldn't have said it better myself: | Jul 03 20:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jul 03 20:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7640103&cid=50040847 | Jul 03 20:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-slashdot.org | AMAgeddon: Reddit Mods Are Locking Up the Site's Most Popular Pages In Protest - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/mzv7p ] | Jul 03 20:07 | |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jul 03 20:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/07/03/121206/amageddon-reddit-mods-are-locking-up-the-sites-most-popular-pages-in-protest | Jul 03 20:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.slashdot.org | AMAgeddon: Reddit Mods Are Locking Up the Site's Most Popular Pages In Protest - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/mzv7q ] | Jul 03 20:07 | |
| r_schestowitz | Slashdot AND reddit need to go the way of the dodo. | Jul 03 20:07 |
| r_schestowitz | "Well it's an interesting experiment. I am pretty sure I'm watched also" | Jul 03 20:08 |
| r_schestowitz | Everyone is watched, we know based on leaked documents. The question is, how much? What are we classified as? | Jul 03 20:08 |
| msb__ | Anyone who diminishes corporate profits is considered to be a terrorist. We are dealing with psychopaths here. | Jul 03 20:11 |
| msb__ | The ultra-wealthy feel terrorized if anyone competes with them. | Jul 03 20:11 |
| r_schestowitz | yeah | Jul 03 20:13 |
| msb__ | Just like anyone who tries to defend against a US invasion is called an insurgent or terrorist. | Jul 03 20:13 |
| msb__ | It's a universal psychopath technique to claim that their victims are doing the evil that they themselves are actually doing. | Jul 03 20:15 |
| msb__ | Michael Parenti said decades ago that the greatest crime is to defend against a US attack. | Jul 03 20:16 |
| r_schestowitz | "Right" | Jul 03 20:23 |
| r_schestowitz | "Border control is a pretty high stakes test unfortunately" | Jul 03 20:24 |
| r_schestowitz | been through this before, but they usually just check there's no foreseen trouble, unless there's risk of protest/violence | Jul 03 20:24 |
| msb__ | Don't they torture people who criticize the govt in singpore by whipping? | Jul 03 20:25 |
| msb__ | Or who leave a wad of chewing gum on a subway train. | Jul 03 20:27 |
| r_schestowitz | "I am thinking of what Moxie, Appelbaum endure at borders" | Jul 03 20:40 |
| r_schestowitz | They publicise it, it serves their cause | Jul 03 20:40 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/617130865278197760 | Jul 03 20:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @FrancisJeffrey7 Actually it's USA that's behind most of it. #welp @schestowitz | Jul 03 20:41 | |
| r_schestowitz | msb__: no | Jul 03 20:41 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe Saudi Arabia | Jul 03 20:41 |
| r_schestowitz | I'm not sure Singapore still does lashing | Jul 03 20:42 |
| r_schestowitz | but I think I heard of something | Jul 03 20:42 |
| r_schestowitz | and i think their police can do some forms of psychological torture | Jul 03 20:42 |
| msb__ | Maybe make you eat bacon. | Jul 03 20:43 |
| msb__ | oops, only 15% muslim | Jul 03 20:47 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/617132227860787204 | Jul 03 20:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz & that's precisely the purpose of Saudi beheadings too, and exactly why the oligarchy won't hesitate to use capital punishment | Jul 03 20:50 | |
| r_schestowitz | US has capital punishment. But they are 'gentlemen'; they inject poison, won't decapitate. 'Polite' murder (eye for an eye). | Jul 03 20:51 |
| r_schestowitz | msb__: unlike Malaysia at the north and Indonesia to the south | Jul 03 20:51 |
| msb__ | Unless the US is doing capital punishment wholesale -- a million people at a time. Then it's bombing, strafing, napalm, until they're all dead (with twice as many injured). | Jul 03 20:55 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/robert_stock7/status/617134027703595009 | Jul 03 20:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@robert_stock7: @schestowitz @Machilu2014 Behaviour wld b considered outrageous by Americans if they were the target. Time for slap down of U.S. by allies. | Jul 03 20:56 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/WellyTopping/status/617135507030581249 https://twitter.com/deusexstigma/status/617136141502971904 | Jul 03 21:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@WellyTopping: Tories (Thatcher, Reagan, everyone since) have always idolised and supported tyrants, war criminals & torturers. Same type. @schestowitz | Jul 03 21:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@deusexstigma: @schestowitz and basically imprisoned without trial for five years..death threats..against his family also.Without Wikileaks we'd be fucked. | Jul 03 21:03 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jul 03 22:02 | |
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| roy__ | https://twitter.com/tecknocrat/status/617228704817614848 | Jul 04 04:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tecknocrat: @schestowitz Target implies aggression & the need to attack. If we r 2 progress as ppl we need to learn better language & be more accurate | Jul 04 04:41 | |
| roy__ | https://twitter.com/tecknocrat/status/617229238245011457 | Jul 04 04:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tecknocrat: @deusexstigma @schestowitz The world would be a vet different place. A just imagine if OUR Politicians had free rain without scrutiny-scary | Jul 04 04:42 | |
| roy__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6298972 | Jul 04 04:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #politico bought a new domain name for a few bucks to pretend to be #eu publication, throw around 'trade' puff pieces http://www.politico.eu/article/parliament-moves-ahead-on-ttip-deal/ | Jul 04 04:47 | |
| roy__ | " | Jul 04 04:47 |
| roy__ | Actually, it looks like Politico has had the .eu domain since April 7, 2006. | Jul 04 04:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.politico.eu | Parliament to vote on TTIP next week – POLITICO [ http://ur1.ca/mzz80 ] | Jul 04 04:47 | |
| roy__ | http://www.eurid.eu/en/whois-search | Jul 04 04:47 |
| roy__ | " | Jul 04 04:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eurid.eu | WHOIS search | EURid | Jul 04 04:47 | |
| roy__ | Maybe just to protect the brand | Jul 04 04:47 |
| roy__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6299052 | Jul 04 04:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Stories that don't start with the condition of anonymity (and/or source protection) tend to be either unoriginal or just PR for someone | Jul 04 04:48 | |
| roy__ | " | Jul 04 04:48 |
| roy__ | Do you recall Valerie Plame, a CIA spy outed at the behest of Dick Cheney, anonymously of course, in order to pressure her husband who had undermined Bush administration claims about Saddam Hussein (uranium tubes or some such nonsense)? | Jul 04 04:48 |
| roy__ | Anonymity is like anything else. It can be and probably is often abused. | Jul 04 04:48 |
| roy__ | " | Jul 04 04:48 |
| roy__ | https://twitter.com/deusexstigma/status/617253583919128576 | Jul 04 04:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@deusexstigma: @tecknocrat @schestowitz almost do...transparency bodies like WL..Courage..EFF.et al stand in their way..must be protected or we go down | Jul 04 04:50 | |
| roy__ | Daily Fail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3148791/Fears-Putin-planning-fresh-assault-Ukraine-drone-footage-reveals-build-Russian-tanks-just-10-miles-frontline.html | Jul 04 05:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk | Vladmir Putin 'planning fresh assault' on Ukraine as drone reveals build up of Russian tanks | Daily Mail Online [ http://ur1.ca/mzzc6 ] | Jul 04 05:07 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/617296834332114944 | Jul 04 07:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Any suggestions for a wired ethernet Wi-Fi access point for home use ? @schestowitz | Jul 04 07:55 | |
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| r_schestowitz | > https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/07/01/hundreds-of-dark-web-sites-cloned-and-booby-trapped/ | Jul 04 09:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nakedsecurity.sophos.com | Hundreds of Dark Web sites cloned and “booby trapped” | Naked Security [ http://ur1.ca/mz5d5 ] | Jul 04 09:24 | |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jul 04 09:24 |
| r_schestowitz | > I had also suspected such for a while. Though calling it "dark web" is | Jul 04 09:24 |
| r_schestowitz | > bullshit. The dark web includes anything not indexed by Google and co, | Jul 04 09:24 |
| r_schestowitz | > including all those corporate intranets. | Jul 04 09:24 |
| r_schestowitz | Yes, meaningless words to associate invisibility with crime | Jul 04 09:24 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/617324428502958080 | Jul 04 09:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz I can't believe that you can't watch the EU Parliament proceedings live without Silverlight! Scandalous! | Jul 04 09:30 | |
| r_schestowitz | even in 2015 when Silverlight is officially abandoned for YEARS? | Jul 04 09:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > torrentfreak.com/police-let-seized-pirate-domains-expire-some-up-for-sale-150704/ | Jul 04 09:36 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jul 04 09:36 |
| r_schestowitz | > A dickish move, intentionally destroying confiscated domains without due | Jul 04 09:36 |
| r_schestowitz | > process. | Jul 04 09:36 |
| r_schestowitz | Indeed. | Jul 04 09:36 |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: really worse is just mandoary delete the domain from dns servers. | Jul 04 09:39 |
| oiaohm | Its not like the police have to legally pay when they hold a crime area for investiation. | Jul 04 09:40 |
| r_schestowitz | needs to be due process | Jul 04 09:43 |
| r_schestowitz | or something | Jul 04 09:43 |
| r_schestowitz | otherwise it's ad hoc and arbitrary | Jul 04 09:43 |
| r_schestowitz | like shooting unamed civilians "because I was scared" | Jul 04 09:43 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Leann02/status/617326074284908544 | Jul 04 09:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Leann02: @schestowitz @glynco ty for sharing..I know this goes on in many other places too..it grieves my soul. | Jul 04 09:44 | |
| oiaohm | Australia to cease domain requires a court order | Jul 04 09:44 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/617326734577377280 | Jul 04 09:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz Looks like they've changed it - now it's wmv format. Was Silverlight a couple of years ago... | Jul 04 09:44 | |
| oiaohm | And that legally can be challaged. | Jul 04 09:44 |
| r_schestowitz | oiaohm: aussie follows the british model | Jul 04 09:44 |
| r_schestowitz | in almost everything | Jul 04 09:44 |
| oiaohm | Not everything | Jul 04 09:44 |
| r_schestowitz | if not us model, e.g. when it comes to patents, trade deals | Jul 04 09:44 |
| oiaohm | In patents if you patent is void and it australian patent you do have to refund all claimed money using it. | Jul 04 09:45 |
| oiaohm | So no Australia is not exactly USA either. | Jul 04 09:45 |
| oiaohm | If USA implemented some of the Australian patent laws the trolls would be reduced. | Jul 04 09:45 |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: remember its legal to use a lot of mod chip devices in Australia. | Jul 04 09:47 |
| oiaohm | That are illegal in the USA or england. | Jul 04 09:47 |
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| oiaohm | Really one of the costs of the war on terror for Australia is the fact you cannot buy fireworks in the capital any more. | Jul 04 09:58 |
| amarsh04 | only in the Northern Territory | Jul 04 10:01 |
| amarsh04 | the main problem is that people don't oppose "because terrorism" claims by governments | Jul 04 10:02 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 4/7/2015: Mostly (Geo)Political Catchup | Jul 04 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/AxN2dtDLKZ (techrights.org) | Jul 04 11:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/n02be | Jul 04 11:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 4/7/2015: Mostly (Geo)Political Catchup | Techrights | Jul 04 11:06 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/617349736337518592 | Jul 04 11:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: Main concept behind American mcjobs is that some humans are inferior to others, get what they deserve. https://t.co/IJwT3zTisV | Jul 04 11:27 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Main concept of human rights is that all human beings have equal rights and these rights apply to everyone" http://t.co/AQQ9X8KNet | Jul 04 11:27 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Leann02/status/617366761105694720 | Jul 04 12:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Leann02: @schestowitz I am sincerely comforted by people like yourselves..I always let Matt know to encourage him. Peace and blessings..:) | Jul 04 12:38 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6299541 | Jul 04 12:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Pirate Bay founders: FBI has #Prenda Law under investigation http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/07/pirate-bay-founders-fbi-has-prenda-law-under-investigation/ as if #fbi upholds the law http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Report-DDoS-service-as-a-legitimate-FBI-approved-business-1867566.html | Jul 04 12:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> arstechnica.com | Pirate Bay founders: FBI has Prenda Law under investigation | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/n0391 ] | Jul 04 12:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.h-online.com | Report: DDoS service as a legitimate, FBI-approved business - The H Security: News and Features [ http://ur1.ca/e02nb ] | Jul 04 12:40 | |
| schestowitz | 'They might punish Prenda to create a perception of enforcement, and justice in copyright law. All of the big publishers have done the same to promote their works and track users with watermarks. That makes our modern, radical copyright laws essentially a tool for public manipulation. Only privileged people are allowed to share and use all of the cultural resonance of broadcast and big publisher promoted music, music, and images. That | Jul 04 12:40 |
| schestowitz | is a very powerful body of work, able to instantly form new memories in people who see them. “Potential troublemakers” who might threaten the revenue of favored companies can be ruined if they are foolish enough to share big publisher garbage.' | Jul 04 12:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: OSS http://t.co/wJ55fbSilW | Jul 04 12:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: OSS | Tux Machines | Jul 04 12:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/EaOZb3OMeA | Jul 04 12:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 04 12:46 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/Zapdq85w9r | Jul 04 12:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jul 04 12:46 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jul 04 15:19 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora Pinos to do for Video what PulseAudio | Jul 04 15:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by did for Audio http://t.co/nrjyLviKmq | Jul 04 15:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @speedytux (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 04 15:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora Pinos to do for Video what PulseAudio did for Audio | Tux Machines | Jul 04 15:19 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines You Can Now Upgrade to Linux Mint 17.2 | Jul 04 19:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | "Rafaela" http://t.co/Ts3d19S9uz | Jul 04 19:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | You Can Now Upgrade to Linux Mint 17.2 "Rafaela" | Tux Machines | Jul 04 19:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) to Reach End of | Jul 04 19:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Life Soon http://t.co/m7hYT7FWMd | Jul 04 19:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) to Reach End of Life Soon | Tux Machines | Jul 04 19:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Intel Has More Graphics Code For Testing, Plans | Jul 04 19:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | For Linux 4.3 http://t.co/pKcszBMjsj | Jul 04 19:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Intel Has More Graphics Code For Testing, Plans For Linux 4.3 | Tux Machines | Jul 04 19:54 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/615003702227828736 | Jun 28 04:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: @schestowitz cloudflare? | Jun 28 04:49 | |
| r_schestowitz | over my dead body... | Jun 28 04:50 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/615004393646227456 | Jun 28 04:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: @schestowitz elaborate please? | Jun 28 04:57 | |
| r_schestowitz | mistreats visitors | Jun 28 04:57 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines #ManjaroLinux Cinnamon 0.8.13 Officially | Jun 28 08:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Released with the #Cinnamon 2.6 Desktop | Jun 28 08:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/23KSVociCs (news.softpedia.com) | Jun 28 08:19 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Manjaro Linux Cinnamon 0.8.13 Officially Released with the Cinnamon 2.6 Desktop - Softpedia | Jun 28 08:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 24-hours with the Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition: I’m | Jun 28 08:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | going to need some time to adjust | Jun 28 08:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/czXo25U0a5 (thenextweb.com) #linux | Jun 28 08:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenextweb.com | 24 hours with the Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition | Jun 28 08:19 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch to Get a New Thumbnailer and | Jun 28 08:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | WPA-Enterprise Support http://t.co/bY4FmiYFA7 | Jun 28 08:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch to Get a New Thumbnailer and WPA-Enterprise Support - Softpedia | Jun 28 08:24 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Gets Chromium 43, | Jun 28 08:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Snappy Images Coming Soon | Jun 28 08:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Gets Chromium 43, Snappy Images Coming Soon - Softpedia | Jun 28 08:24 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @sizeof favourited '24-hours with the Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition: I’m...' | Jun 28 08:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Italian makers unveil the Felfil, an open | Jun 28 09:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | source 3d printing filament extruder | Jun 28 09:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Italian makers unveil the Felfil, an open source 3d printing filament extruder | Tux Machines | Jun 28 09:00 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Will I Have the Latest Software Versions in | Jun 28 10:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu with Snappy? http://t.co/YNMO6ijTJ9 | Jun 28 10:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Will I Have the Latest Software Versions in Ubuntu with Snappy? | Tux Machines | Jun 28 10:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Will I Have the Latest Software Versions in | Jun 28 10:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu with Snappy? http://t.co/EobeuVTb4o | Jun 28 10:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Will I Have the Latest Software Versions in Ubuntu with Snappy? - Softpedia | Jun 28 10:40 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Distance Is The Racing Game I Never Knew I | Jun 28 10:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Wanted On Linux, Some Thoughts & Video | Jun 28 10:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/GPCEQeGE5k (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Jun 28 10:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Distance Is The Racing Game I Never Knew I Wanted On Linux, Some Thoughts & Video | GamingOnLinux | Jun 28 10:41 | |
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| XRevan86 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/ac05ef00f969013238b83a81ad033604 | Jun 28 11:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com | Even #pravda joke... [ http://ur1.ca/my430 ] | Jun 28 11:54 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: pravda.ru != Pravda | Jun 28 11:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux 4.2 Advertises GFS2 Performance | Jun 28 12:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Improvements http://t.co/3phVwXEKiV | Jun 28 12:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Linux 4.2 Advertises GFS2 Performance Improvements - Phoronix | Jun 28 12:06 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux 4.2 Will Bring LIBNVDIMM Support For | Jun 28 12:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Non-Volatile Memory Devices | Jun 28 12:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Linux 4.2 Will Bring LIBNVDIMM Support For Non-Volatile Memory Devices - Phoronix | Jun 28 12:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux 4.2 Advertises GFS2 Performance | Jun 28 12:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Improvements http://t.co/eCg8Je5bCi | Jun 28 12:06 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.itworld.com/article/2940478/linux/windows-versus-linux-for-businesses.html This is getting interesting | Jun 28 13:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com | Windows versus Linux for businesses | ITworld [ http://ur1.ca/my4hz ] | Jun 28 13:06 | |
| cubexyz | those articles just aren't very good | Jun 28 13:09 |
| cubexyz | it's clear to me that the current software churn is just a waste of time | Jun 28 13:12 |
| cubexyz | more elaborate GUIs, operating systems that end of life after a few years, and closed systems... well it's not very hard to improve on that | Jun 28 13:14 |
| cubexyz | planned obsolescence | Jun 28 13:15 |
| cubexyz | once microsoft added activation to windows, I was out of there | Jun 28 13:18 |
| cubexyz | it's the pre-loads that get to me the most though | Jun 28 13:19 |
| cubexyz | that's why I rarely ever go to a computer store now | Jun 28 13:20 |
| cubexyz | I find it hysterical how we use to do everything imaginable in 64 kb while today you have ot learn 1000 poorly designed methods in some #28one of n#29 language that compiles to many MB's worth of sheer nonsense. The lossy compressed screenshot from the 70's easily takes 200 kb haha | Jun 28 13:34 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: what is interesting is the fact its being talked about as Linux being an option. | Jun 28 13:54 |
| cubexyz | you do recall that businesses used to use PDP-11s? | Jun 28 13:54 |
| cubexyz | I have a list of the different institutions... it's interesting reading | Jun 28 13:55 |
| cubexyz | a lot of medical places, research centres and of course academia | Jun 28 13:56 |
| oiaohm | What do you mean used. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/06/19/nuke_plants_to_keep_pdp11_until_2050/ | Jun 28 13:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Nuke plants to rely on PDP-11 code UNTIL 2050! • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/edeyd ] | Jun 28 13:56 | |
| oiaohm | Some of those horible old designs are very tough. | Jun 28 13:57 |
| cubexyz | you've heard of the DOD? :) | Jun 28 13:59 |
| cubexyz | them too | Jun 28 13:59 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kaatje36/status/615094259159597060 | Jun 28 14:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kaatje36: @schestowitz Same happened rather recently to Malawi :( | Jun 28 14:00 | |
| cubexyz | I made a point of tracking down as much of the Usenix tapes as I could | Jun 28 14:00 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RoodJet/status/615098967521652736 | Jun 28 14:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RoodJet: The 'West' can't leave it be when others have succes. Why the hell they break everything down with their arrogance. https://t.co/yLCOz0f0nL | Jun 28 14:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #IMF and USA set to ruin #Ghana https://t.co/QZrTom9r2P classic enslavement through debt. #africa #imperialism #colonisation | Jun 28 14:00 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/angrymofo/status/615101183636586496 | Jun 28 14:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@angrymofo: @schestowitz How many attacking IP's and what type of DDOS ? iptables can stop layer7 but depends on how many ip's to block. Too many = slow | Jun 28 14:00 | |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, a lot of it was typesetting and text manipulation, not too surprising | Jun 28 14:00 |
| r_schestowitz | too slow to block | Jun 28 14:00 |
| cubexyz | a lot of what is considered standard now was part of an aggregation process that started long ago | Jun 28 14:01 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/angrymofo/status/615101776400781312 | Jun 28 14:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@angrymofo: @schestowitz I held off >10k IP's for weeks once using iptables and a rolling db of the last 10k bad IP's. User agent enabled ID of bad IP's | Jun 28 14:02 | |
| r_schestowitz | that's like blocking the whole of AWS | Jun 28 14:02 |
| cubexyz | graphing utilties, and there's still tons of source code I haven't looked at yet | Jun 28 14:02 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/haniefhaider/status/615106432334209024 | Jun 28 14:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@haniefhaider: #Ghana had the best public utility in #Africa... until the IMF arrived... https://t.co/zxAT0Y6F1r. #imperialism #Greece via @schestowitz | Jun 28 14:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.craigmurray.org.uk | Craig Murray » Blog Archive » IMF and USA set to ruin Ghana | Jun 28 14:03 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/615133790201982976 | Jun 28 14:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz We'd all be better off if the Fortune 500 blacklisted Microsoft, Apple, Adobe, and Oracle. | Jun 28 14:05 | |
| cubexyz | there was big talk about Linux back in 2000 | Jun 28 14:07 |
| cubexyz | probably even before that | Jun 28 14:07 |
| oiaohm | I got into Linux from BSD in 1995 | Jun 28 14:07 |
| MinceR | i got into GNU/Linux from winblows somewhen around 2000 | Jun 28 14:08 |
| oiaohm | So there was a lot of write up from 1995 to 2002 then it died down. | Jun 28 14:08 |
| cubexyz | 2015 and it's still a novelty to consider Linux for business use? Surely we are passed that point | Jun 28 14:08 |
| cubexyz | quasar has been used for point of sale for quite a while now | Jun 28 14:09 |
| cubexyz | I think the DOD even has their own distro now | Jun 28 14:10 |
| oiaohm | Issue is basic. | Jun 28 14:11 |
| cubexyz | http://spi.dod.mil/LPS-Public_for_DoD.htm | Jun 28 14:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-spi.dod.mil | LPS-Public [ http://ur1.ca/my4x4 ] | Jun 28 14:11 | |
| oiaohm | Reality in 2000 it was believe that the graphics issues on Linux would be fixed. | Jun 28 14:11 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_GLX cubexyz this project was seen that it would lead to solving the issues. | Jun 28 14:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Utah GLX - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Jun 28 14:14 | |
| oiaohm | The hard reality is while Linux desktop envornement fails based security requirements its progress was always limited. | Jun 28 14:14 |
| cubexyz | I know that in the late 80s U of Waterloo was running SunOS in the computer lab | Jun 28 14:15 |
| cubexyz | so we've had the *nix stuff working for some time | Jun 28 14:15 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, that GLX stuff looks quite old | Jun 28 14:16 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: question do you use NVIDIA drivers under Linux. | Jun 28 14:17 |
| cubexyz | my server does | Jun 28 14:17 |
| oiaohm | If you do you are using code from Utah GLX | Jun 28 14:17 |
| cubexyz | sure, glxgears | Jun 28 14:18 |
| cubexyz | but it's mainly just a web server :) | Jun 28 14:18 |
| oiaohm | At that point in history Nvidia developers were willing to work with everyone else. | Jun 28 14:18 |
| cubexyz | I have a bunch of different video chipsets here | Jun 28 14:18 |
| oiaohm | That ends 2002 | Jun 28 14:18 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: do you not notice to use Nvidia you load glx not dri. | Jun 28 14:19 |
| oiaohm | There are complains from x.org for having to support historic interfaces so Nvidia drivers works. | Jun 28 14:20 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, I think on some of my computers it loads both dri and glx | Jun 28 14:21 |
| cubexyz | on the nvidia one it's just glx | Jun 28 14:21 |
| cubexyz | it's been a while since I've looked at xfree86 stuff | Jun 28 14:21 |
| oiaohm | newer driver design use dri | Jun 28 14:22 |
| cubexyz | in the module section it seems to load both on most of my boxes | Jun 28 14:22 |
| oiaohm | glx interface forwarding to dri has to be provided for old programs. | Jun 28 14:23 |
| cubexyz | old programs such as...? | Jun 28 14:24 |
| oiaohm | http://us.download.nvidia.com/solaris/180.51/README/chapter-03.html | Jun 28 14:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-us.download.nvidia.com | Chapter 3. Configuring X for the NVIDIA Driver [ http://ur1.ca/my50t ] | Jun 28 14:25 | |
| oiaohm | But the forward is GLcore module. | Jun 28 14:25 |
| oiaohm | Not the GLX module. | Jun 28 14:25 |
| oiaohm | A lot of people are not aware of how old of code the Nvidia binary blob forks off at. | Jun 28 14:26 |
| oiaohm | Of course when the Nvidia guys pull up stumps from Utah GLX so did ATI and every other major vendor. | Jun 28 14:27 |
| oiaohm | Then 8 years from 2002 to 2010 does graphics in Linux go back to not being a major interest to major video card makers. | Jun 28 14:27 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: please note its interesting how little difference there is in X.org configuration for Nvidia between Linux, bsd and Solaris | Jun 28 14:28 |
| cubexyz | I definitely remember running quake and descent on Linux many moons ago | Jun 28 14:29 |
| cubexyz | I honestly can't recall any problems with the video | Jun 28 14:29 |
| cubexyz | ran most of the Loki games as well | Jun 28 14:29 |
| oiaohm | problem is not making stuff run cubexyz | Jun 28 14:29 |
| oiaohm | Its the security sides. | Jun 28 14:29 |
| oiaohm | Like implementing Secure Attention Key to make sure keyboard logins are valid. | Jun 28 14:30 |
| cubexyz | and yet the DOD has a distro :) | Jun 28 14:30 |
| oiaohm | True but that distrobution does not run Nvidia. | Jun 28 14:31 |
| MinceR | what use is SAK if you're not at the console? | Jun 28 14:33 |
| MinceR | and what use is pretending you're secure when someone is at the console, so has physical access to the computer? | Jun 28 14:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: SAK is ment to work for console and graphical. | Jun 28 14:33 |
| oiaohm | SAK is a preventive method to applications creating fake login screens. | Jun 28 14:33 |
| cubexyz | can't they just add some biometric security thing? | Jun 28 14:33 |
| MinceR | i meant having access to a display and keyboard plugged directly into the computer | Jun 28 14:34 |
| cubexyz | keyboard doesn't work until you press you thumb or do a retina scan... | Jun 28 14:34 |
| MinceR | biometric authentication is mostly security theater. | Jun 28 14:34 |
| MinceR | especially fingerprint-based | Jun 28 14:34 |
| oiaohm | Even when you have physical access a program can attempt to display a fake login screen to get login details to go higher. | Jun 28 14:34 |
| oiaohm | This is preventing a class of internal attack. | Jun 28 14:34 |
| oiaohm | fingerprint scaners are worthless because fingerprints are too simple to get and replicate. | Jun 28 14:35 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jun 28 14:35 |
| oiaohm | Blood vessel scanners are in fact safer. | Jun 28 14:36 |
| cubexyz | put the computers in a secure area | Jun 28 14:36 |
| cubexyz | seems like a simple problem to solve | Jun 28 14:36 |
| oiaohm | Something to remember about biometrics if the subject does not have to be alive for them to work attackers might just kill subject. | Jun 28 14:36 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: please note I said internal attack. | Jun 28 14:36 |
| oiaohm | This is where sometrust to a limit amount to access the computer is attempting to get higher access. | Jun 28 14:37 |
| MinceR | what happens if you press [Ctrl+]Alt+SysRq+k on nvidia? | Jun 28 14:38 |
| cubexyz | right, there were some login shenanigans on early unix | Jun 28 14:38 |
| cubexyz | but obviously the problems weren't that bad | Jun 28 14:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: nothing good. Same issue happens like when you switch to console and back again with nvidia. The Nvidia closed soruce driver locks up. | Jun 28 14:38 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, businesses were running stuff on msdos and it definitely wasn't secure at all :) | Jun 28 14:40 |
| cubexyz | floppies had viruses | Jun 28 14:40 |
| MinceR | businesses were running stuff on windows and that isn't secure either | Jun 28 14:40 |
| cubexyz | it's not like we ever had super-duper security | Jun 28 14:40 |
| oiaohm | Recent years Nvidia has got better but 2010 and before switching from Framebuffer and back was more fatel. | Jun 28 14:40 |
| MinceR | we like the illusion of super-duper security, though | Jun 28 14:40 |
| oiaohm | This is a checklist of security features. | Jun 28 14:41 |
| oiaohm | Windows techically has working SAK. | Jun 28 14:41 |
| MinceR | i mostly had luck with nvidia | Jun 28 14:41 |
| MinceR | except when hibernating or suspending | Jun 28 14:41 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: notice the except. | Jun 28 14:41 |
| oiaohm | Business want hibernating and suspending for laptops on the move. | Jun 28 14:41 |
| MinceR | switching to text console and back tended to work | Jun 28 14:41 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: at my last job, the IT department told me to not use hibernate or suspend on windows because it was a miracle if it worked. | Jun 28 14:42 |
| cubexyz | why not just shutdown when you need to? | Jun 28 14:42 |
| cubexyz | it's a laptop after all | Jun 28 14:42 |
| MinceR | (i still used it because i was lazy, and it tended to work) | Jun 28 14:42 |
| MinceR | also, why do business laptops have nvidia GPU? | Jun 28 14:43 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: windows has about a 1 in 10 device failure rate with hibernate or suspend. | Jun 28 14:43 |
| MinceR | the ones i saw had intel. | Jun 28 14:43 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: what has Linux performance been with Intel hardware. | Jun 28 14:43 |
| MinceR | i guess in this case i was lucky with windows (as opposed to the usual case) | Jun 28 14:43 |
| oiaohm | Dead dog right MinceR | Jun 28 14:43 |
| oiaohm | Until recently. | Jun 28 14:43 |
| MinceR | depends on the use case | Jun 28 14:43 |
| MinceR | most business use cases don't need a powerful GPU. | Jun 28 14:44 |
| cubexyz | sounds crappy all round then re: suspending | Jun 28 14:44 |
| oiaohm | business cases don't need a higher powerful GPU is true but needing one that works a bit. | Jun 28 14:44 |
| MinceR | also, i could buy a ThinkPad with an intel GPU that's more powerful than my quadro fx 2700m :> | Jun 28 14:44 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: Linux suspend issue was a 1 in 3. | Jun 28 14:45 |
| MinceR | all the intel GPUs i had worked reliably, including the GMA 900 in my netbook. | Jun 28 14:45 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: but that si getting better. | Jun 28 14:45 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, I've suspending over 100 times on my HP | Jun 28 14:45 |
| cubexyz | suspended | Jun 28 14:45 |
| MinceR | and on those suspend almost always works | Jun 28 14:45 |
| oiaohm | Note the terible I am talking about is 2010 and before. | Jun 28 14:45 |
| oiaohm | We have seen some major changes since then. | Jun 28 14:46 |
| cubexyz | 273 days uptime too | Jun 28 14:46 |
| cubexyz | which isn't bad | Jun 28 14:46 |
| MinceR | (6 months or more with ~2 daily suspends without issue) | Jun 28 14:46 |
| MinceR | ic | Jun 28 14:46 |
| cubexyz | good enough I'd say | Jun 28 14:46 |
| oiaohm | Linux being terible from 2002 to 2010 makes lot of business edgy touching Linux. | Jun 28 14:46 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, the wall wart had a loose connection, otherwise the uptime would have been longer | Jun 28 14:47 |
| MinceR | i think i had that netbook before 2010 | Jun 28 14:47 |
| MinceR | funny thing is, windows was always worse | Jun 28 14:47 |
| oiaohm | Really I am look forward to Wayland. | Jun 28 14:48 |
| MinceR | i'm not a fan but i have a plan to salvage it | Jun 28 14:48 |
| MinceR | i think i can extend kde's implementation with the missing features and modularity | Jun 28 14:48 |
| oiaohm | Once that is in place a lot of checkboxes on the security list can mark it. | Jun 28 14:48 |
| MinceR | also, maybe they'll get a clue and add the missing features to the protocol | Jun 28 14:49 |
| oiaohm | Wayland protocol is way more complete than X11 was/is. | Jun 28 14:49 |
| MinceR | where's pointer grap and pointer warp? | Jun 28 14:49 |
| cubexyz | I think motif has that :) | Jun 28 14:51 |
| cubexyz | umm, grab at least | Jun 28 14:51 |
| MinceR | motif works on x11, not wayland | Jun 28 14:52 |
| oiaohm | pointer grap and warp is being worked on under Libinput | Jun 28 14:52 |
| MinceR | that sounds like a hack | Jun 28 14:52 |
| MinceR | why isn't it in the protocol? | Jun 28 14:52 |
| oiaohm | Nop | Jun 28 14:52 |
| cubexyz | which distros use wayland? | Jun 28 14:53 |
| cubexyz | Ubuntu I suppose | Jun 28 14:54 |
| oiaohm | Wayland protocol is not about input or output that much at all MinceR. But device access. | Jun 28 14:55 |
| MinceR | ic | Jun 28 14:55 |
| oiaohm | Like wayland does not define how direct rendering of opengl works. | Jun 28 14:55 |
| MinceR | what devices? just the GPU or also input devices? | Jun 28 14:55 |
| oiaohm | With GPU it just wants to know what buffers application wants displayed and where. So most of what the GPU device does wayland has no interest in. With input what devices the user application should see/not see. | Jun 28 14:57 |
| oiaohm | Calcution of input corrections and the like under wayland are the application side. | Jun 28 14:57 |
| oiaohm | This is a lot more compadible with giving applications timesilces and them being able to process everything they need even if the wayland compositor gets no cpu time. | Jun 28 14:58 |
| MinceR | who decides which application gets input? | Jun 28 14:58 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Ubuntu Next uses Mir. | Jun 28 14:59 |
| MinceR | i thought they gave up on mir already | Jun 28 15:00 |
| oiaohm | Something to remember a wayland application can run without a compositor. Techically the top application what you normally expect to be the compositor decides what applications are able to see input. | Jun 28 15:00 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Nope, still Mir. | Jun 28 15:01 |
| XRevan86 | Mir, trud, mai :). | Jun 28 15:01 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu is not even willing to give up on Mir even after Intel pulled support. | Jun 28 15:01 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you also have to remeber libinput is planed to be shared between wayland and x.org. So why implement a stack of things twice. | Jun 28 15:03 |
| oiaohm | Even Mir is planing on using libinput. | Jun 28 15:03 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: It already works on X.org and breaks by touchpad :). | Jun 28 15:03 |
| oiaohm | its the one place where all the graphical systems feature cross. | Jun 28 15:03 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: libinput fixes some touchpads with x.org as well. | Jun 28 15:04 |
| oiaohm | libinput has been a real mixed bag | Jun 28 15:04 |
| XRevan86 | Well, I have a plain synaptics. | Jun 28 15:04 |
| XRevan86 | so I'm in a majority here | Jun 28 15:04 |
| oiaohm | Turns out some of the synaptics have also had issues that the libinput configuration allows to be fixed as well. XRevan86 this is why I say mixed bag. | Jun 28 15:07 |
| MinceR | hopefully it will stabilize eventually | Jun 28 15:07 |
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| oiaohm | I knew there was something I forgot there is one thing Wayland is having a insane time implementing. Its something that soulds so simple copy paste. | Jun 29 04:36 |
| oiaohm | sould/sounds | Jun 29 04:37 |
| cubexyz | no distro seems to use wayland | Jun 29 04:37 |
| oiaohm | Fedora does on compadible systems for login screen. | Jun 29 04:38 |
| oiaohm | Debian has wayland in main repository as optional. | Jun 29 04:39 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: GDM and a few other login managers can operately fully just using wayland. So X11 is only kicked up in the user session. | Jun 29 04:41 |
| oiaohm | So the change over to wayland has started cubexyz just slow and carefully. | Jun 29 04:41 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: also you have to remember sailfish OS uses wayland at core for everything. | Jun 29 04:43 |
| oiaohm | sailfish has no xwayland. | Jun 29 04:44 |
| cubexyz | I remember basic linux had xvesa but I don't think any other distro uses that | Jun 29 04:46 |
| oiaohm | Debian has had xvesa | Jun 29 04:48 |
| oiaohm | Knoppix discs loved using it. | Jun 29 04:48 |
| cubexyz | I wanted to study the history of the X Window System | Jun 29 04:49 |
| cubexyz | got some X10R4 code | Jun 29 04:49 |
| cubexyz | xwm.c was so tiny | Jun 29 04:50 |
| cubexyz | played around with the idea of porting xwm.c but I didn't get too far | Jun 29 04:50 |
| oiaohm | You would not | Jun 29 04:51 |
| oiaohm | a lot of the apis that early xwm used are gone. | Jun 29 04:51 |
| oiaohm | Because they were broken so badly its not funny. | Jun 29 04:51 |
| cubexyz | actually I did compile xwm.c but it was on quasijarus and I couldn't run it | Jun 29 04:52 |
| cubexyz | so I do have the early APIs | Jun 29 04:53 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly do you know the method of removing X11 API. | Jun 29 04:53 |
| oiaohm | Break the API and see if anyone complains in 3 years. | Jun 29 04:53 |
| oiaohm | Then delete it. | Jun 29 04:53 |
| oiaohm | So some of those old programs will build but the API ABI side does not work. | Jun 29 04:54 |
| cubexyz | I was interested in seeing now small a window manager could be in terms of lines of code but still be usable | Jun 29 04:54 |
| oiaohm | ever seen ratposion cubexyz | Jun 29 04:55 |
| cubexyz | yes | Jun 29 04:55 |
| oiaohm | That is about as small as you can get. | Jun 29 04:55 |
| cubexyz | didn't like it :) | Jun 29 04:55 |
| oiaohm | ratposion is a little on the small side. | Jun 29 04:55 |
| cubexyz | the idea was interesting but... it just didn't seem usable | Jun 29 04:55 |
| oiaohm | Cutting away mouse operating and reducing to keyboard removes a huge stack of operations. | Jun 29 04:56 |
| cubexyz | you might have seen this: | Jun 29 04:57 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/compare-all-wms.png | Jun 29 04:57 |
| cubexyz | tinywm was also unusable | Jun 29 04:58 |
| cubexyz | so far I mostly use icewm | Jun 29 04:59 |
| cubexyz | dwm is pretty small | Jun 29 05:01 |
| oiaohm | The closer to a bare min wm you get the more configuration you have todo. | Jun 29 05:01 |
| oiaohm | TWM is normally the smallest I go. | Jun 29 05:02 |
| oiaohm | But once you add on pagers and everything else to be functional those bar min windows managers start getting a lot larger. | Jun 29 05:03 |
| oiaohm | TWM configured usable and awesome take up about the same ammount of space. | Jun 29 05:05 |
| cubexyz | trying to remember what file to edit to add a new wm | Jun 29 05:09 |
| cubexyz | I added it to .xinitrc but there's another thing... | Jun 29 05:10 |
| oiaohm | wm list is ?dm releated. | Jun 29 05:13 |
| cubexyz | mod1 == alt? | Jun 29 05:14 |
| cubexyz | guess it does | Jun 29 05:14 |
| cubexyz | ugh, I can't move windows | Jun 29 05:15 |
| cubexyz | ah, there we go | Jun 29 05:16 |
| cubexyz | everything seems based on using the alt key to do anything | Jun 29 05:19 |
| cubexyz | impressive small 28,832 bytes | Jun 29 05:19 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: what are you playing with. | Jun 29 05:20 |
| cubexyz | definitely old school, complete with troff man page | Jun 29 05:20 |
| cubexyz | dwm | Jun 29 05:20 |
| cubexyz | if you wanted a micro-distro that would be a good addition :) | Jun 29 05:21 |
| oiaohm | I remember why I don't use it. Keyboard alt key dominates does not agree with a lot of programs I uese. | Jun 29 05:21 |
| oiaohm | alt key to move windows lines up with alt key do a operation in blender. | Jun 29 05:22 |
| oiaohm | That is also the problem with some of the really compact wm X11 applicaitons are not design to get along with them. | Jun 29 05:22 |
| cubexyz | yeah there's no .dwmrc which is a bit of a pain | Jun 29 05:23 |
| cubexyz | one adjusts dwm by recompiling | Jun 29 05:23 |
| oiaohm | Yes processing configuration file equals more ram usage. | Jun 29 05:24 |
| oiaohm | Basically really compact wm for X11 totally lacks flexablity. | Jun 29 05:24 |
| cubexyz | what do you normally use? | Jun 29 05:25 |
| oiaohm | Normally kde | Jun 29 05:25 |
| oiaohm | But I have large ram so KDE foot print does not bother me at all. | Jun 29 05:25 |
| oiaohm | Mind you KDE memory fort print is better than Windows 8.0 and 8.1 | Jun 29 05:27 |
| oiaohm | So even the worst X11 Wm is not that horible. | Jun 29 05:27 |
| cubexyz | let me see your htop :) | Jun 29 05:27 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/icewm-htop.png | Jun 29 05:30 |
| cubexyz | comfortable with 512 meg, firefox is the biggest memory pig | Jun 29 05:31 |
| oiaohm | Please note virt is not used ammount. | Jun 29 05:33 |
| oiaohm | My plasma dekstop is reading 3.5 G virt but only 180 used. | Jun 29 05:33 |
| oiaohm | KDE really need to learn to deallocate. | Jun 29 05:34 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: I have a lot running on my system. htop shows paths to suff I should not show in public. | Jun 29 05:35 |
| cubexyz | ok, np | Jun 29 05:35 |
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| cubexyz | probably the openbsd is the most efficient | Jun 29 05:37 |
| cubexyz | openbsd box | Jun 29 05:37 |
| cubexyz | I do love those coloured tabs in konsole | Jun 29 05:38 |
| cubexyz | as you can see, I'm using parts of KDE still | Jun 29 05:38 |
| cubexyz | I thought KDE was a bit overly elaborate | Jun 29 05:39 |
| oiaohm | plasma desktop is 3512M vit 187 Res and 69180 shared | Jun 29 05:39 |
| oiaohm | And that is over 4 processes with 3 process that after kde is started never use a bit of cpu time again. | Jun 29 05:40 |
| oiaohm | kde is a true pig. | Jun 29 05:40 |
| cubexyz | did you know you can do / searches in htop, quite handy | Jun 29 05:41 |
| oiaohm | I locked htop to sort by pid | Jun 29 05:42 |
| cubexyz | l lists open files for that process | Jun 29 05:42 |
| oiaohm | The Res value is the real memory it using. | Jun 29 05:43 |
| cubexyz | efficient text/ncurses interface | Jun 29 05:43 |
| oiaohm | Over all my system only has 4.5G in use. | Jun 29 05:43 |
| oiaohm | If all the virtual was allocated I would need something like 100G | Jun 29 05:43 |
| cubexyz | is there a config file for htop? | Jun 29 05:43 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: bash alias command. | Jun 29 05:44 |
| oiaohm | To force command line option. | Jun 29 05:44 |
| cubexyz | htop --sort-key PID | Jun 29 05:45 |
| cubexyz | actually I think htop --sort-key Command might be better | Jun 29 05:46 |
| cubexyz | don't see any advantage sorting by PID | Jun 29 05:46 |
| oiaohm | PID is set because it useful when needrestart reports. | Jun 29 05:47 |
| oiaohm | Basically I have needrestart on by debian that restarts any service that is running old files and list stuff. | Jun 29 05:48 |
| oiaohm | I do like that htop supports f6 to charge the sort after you are in. | Jun 29 05:49 |
| oiaohm | My biggest memory hog is iceweasel. | Jun 29 05:49 |
| oiaohm | Followed by chrome. | Jun 29 05:49 |
| oiaohm | KDE is quite small on memory usaged compared to most browsers. | Jun 29 05:50 |
| oiaohm | Please note porting KDE applications to Windows. KDE huge memory allocations become a big problem. | Jun 29 05:50 |
| oiaohm | Because Windows really allocates everything. | Jun 29 05:50 |
| cubexyz | it's because everyone tries to do everything in the browser which is silly | Jun 29 05:51 |
| cubexyz | I have no problem download video files | Jun 29 05:52 |
| cubexyz | s/download/downloading/ | Jun 29 05:52 |
| oiaohm | OS X, Linux, BSD all can run kde applications without memory problems due to the idea of virtual allocations. | Jun 29 05:52 |
| oiaohm | Ie only give application memory when it really uses what it has asked for idea. | Jun 29 05:52 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: libreoffice uses more than KDE. | Jun 29 05:53 |
| oiaohm | KDE on a 8G system is lucky to come up to 4percent memory usage. | Jun 29 05:53 |
| oiaohm | Of course that is under Linux. | Jun 29 05:53 |
| oiaohm | Now run it under windows say ouch. | Jun 29 05:54 |
| oiaohm | Yes there is a KDE for windows project 16G of ram is kinda a bare min. | Jun 29 05:54 |
| cubexyz | good grief | Jun 29 05:54 |
| cubexyz | I think using GUIs for everything makes people dumber | Jun 29 05:56 |
| cubexyz | they can't remember the names of directories | Jun 29 05:56 |
| oiaohm | not really. you are presume people did that in the first place. | Jun 29 05:56 |
| oiaohm | I remember seeing walls and walls of paper stuck up with instructions in the dos age. | Jun 29 05:57 |
| cubexyz | well _I_ did :) | Jun 29 05:57 |
| oiaohm | So not remembering names of directories is nothing new. | Jun 29 05:57 |
| cubexyz | i still can remember most directory names | Jun 29 05:57 |
| oiaohm | I can too cubexyz | Jun 29 05:57 |
| oiaohm | But the reality we are the minority. | Jun 29 05:57 |
| oiaohm | the majority are idiots. | Jun 29 05:57 |
| oiaohm | or not interested. | Jun 29 05:58 |
| oiaohm | really like cubexyz how often do you see a password on a sticky note on a screen. | Jun 29 05:58 |
| cubexyz | surely they put it on the monitor's bezel? :) | Jun 29 05:59 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: hopefully. | Jun 29 05:59 |
| oiaohm | I have seen some just stuck in the right hand top corner because they never use that bit of the screen | Jun 29 05:59 |
| oiaohm | Those people know how to use alt f4 to close windows. | Jun 29 06:00 |
| oiaohm | or close them by the taskbar. | Jun 29 06:00 |
| cubexyz | haha | Jun 29 06:00 |
| oiaohm | GUI has not exactly made them dumber as they were not that bright in the first place. | Jun 29 06:00 |
| oiaohm | Just has reduced the ammount of office litter. | Jun 29 06:01 |
| cubexyz | the "paperless" office | Jun 29 06:02 |
| oiaohm | Part of getting to a paperless office is good GUI. | Jun 29 06:02 |
| oiaohm | Other part is making something that can store data long term as good as paper. | Jun 29 06:02 |
| oiaohm | Neither of these problems have we really solved. | Jun 29 06:03 |
| cubexyz | yes, the restoration of the Unix version 1 kernel was only possible because one guy had printed all the code | Jun 29 06:03 |
| cubexyz | m-disc claims it will last 1000 years | Jun 29 06:05 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: will the drive? | Jun 29 06:05 |
| cubexyz | no doubt it :) | Jun 29 06:05 |
| cubexyz | I doubt it | Jun 29 06:05 |
| cubexyz | no way | Jun 29 06:05 |
| oiaohm | Really I think bar codes printed on paper compacting the data could be the way forwards. | Jun 29 06:05 |
| oiaohm | Ok it would be hard for a human to read manually but it would not be impossible. | Jun 29 06:06 |
| cubexyz | I doubt it would last 20 years | Jun 29 06:06 |
| cubexyz | none of my cdroms from the early 1990s still work | Jun 29 06:06 |
| oiaohm | I have one cdrom drive from 1994 that works. | Jun 29 06:07 |
| cubexyz | I haven't had any success fixing cdrom drives either | Jun 29 06:08 |
| oiaohm | That is out of 400 | Jun 29 06:08 |
| cubexyz | ok, but is it a burner? | Jun 29 06:08 |
| cubexyz | those don't last too long | Jun 29 06:08 |
| oiaohm | No its only a reader. | Jun 29 06:08 |
| oiaohm | This was a drive that was used for 10+ years before being taken out of service. | Jun 29 06:08 |
| cubexyz | so they have stopped making ide drives, I'm a bit screwed | Jun 29 06:09 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Jun 29 06:09 |
| oiaohm | There are converts that convert from ide to sata and sata to ide. | Jun 29 06:09 |
| cubexyz | my Amiga needs SCSI 50 pin | Jun 29 06:09 |
| cubexyz | but I think there's some CF thing that can be converted | Jun 29 06:10 |
| cubexyz | people aren't thinking long term, it's 4 years then dump it | Jun 29 06:10 |
| oiaohm | There is a SCSI 80 pin to sata | Jun 29 06:11 |
| oiaohm | Yes you can use a cable from SCSI 50 to 80pin | Jun 29 06:11 |
| oiaohm | sata dvd /bluray drives access scsi commands. | Jun 29 06:12 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I do a bit of making some of these odd machines work using modern hardware so they can be used on display. | Jun 29 06:12 |
| oiaohm | Yes you don't want to be wearing the collectable drives. | Jun 29 06:12 |
| oiaohm | There are horible things as solid state floppy drive emulators. | Jun 29 06:14 |
| oiaohm | So some of the collectable display machines set up if you turned up with a real historic floppy disc for the machine you would find you could not use it as they don't have the drive. | Jun 29 06:14 |
| cubexyz | "Premininary Unix Implementation Document June 1972" it was | Jun 29 06:16 |
| cubexyz | that was printed out | Jun 29 06:16 |
| cubexyz | T. R. Bashkow | Jun 29 06:16 |
| cubexyz | worthy of rememberance | Jun 29 06:16 |
| oiaohm | I have to get going. | Jun 29 06:17 |
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| roy__ | > | Jun 29 12:35 |
| roy__ | > http://fossforce.com/2015/06/is-google-the-new-microsoft/ | Jun 29 12:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Is Google the New Microsoft? | FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/myex2 ] | Jun 29 12:35 | |
| roy__ | > | Jun 29 12:35 |
| roy__ | > Revisionism especially that closing sentence. People hate M$ not for | Jun 29 12:35 |
| roy__ | > the sake of hating M$ but because of how it (and its people) behaves and | Jun 29 12:35 |
| roy__ | > has behaved. It has held computing back at least 20 years and the | Jun 29 12:35 |
| roy__ | > damage spreads into all domains where desktop computers are used. | Jun 29 12:35 |
| roy__ | I don't want to pick on Christine because she has been kind to us and we usually agree with her. She also defended DRM and other nasty things at times, but diversity of opinion sometimes needs to be tolerated. | Jun 29 12:35 |
| oiaohm | Google has the possiblity of being the next Microsofit but Google is not getting their own way all the time with OEMs | Jun 29 12:41 |
| cubexyz | there's more diversity now | Jun 29 12:50 |
| cubexyz | there used to be Commodore/Atari/Radio Shack/etc | Jun 29 12:50 |
| cubexyz | we're going back to a more diverse ecosystem | Jun 29 12:50 |
| oiaohm | Reality a large percentage of the commodore/atari/Radio shack/etc was fake diversety. | Jun 29 12:51 |
| oiaohm | People forget how often those machines were Microsoft basic. | Jun 29 12:51 |
| cubexyz | z80/68000/6502/286 | Jun 29 12:52 |
| roy__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6282326 | Jun 29 12:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #SandsCasino and #SheldonAdelson are "job creators" in the same sense that Pharaoh was. Building useless vanity for self indulgence. | Jun 29 12:53 | |
| roy__ | "guess with enough money you're entitled to some Pharaoh complex, helps them contrast their memento mori - at least he went "all in" and finished it." | Jun 29 12:53 |
| cubexyz | amigados, xenix, msdos, gem, etc | Jun 29 12:53 |
| roy__ | Maybe he wants to be buried there, or cremated like the tyrant of singapore whom he supported, then preserved in some pot in the casino... | Jun 29 12:53 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: xenix is microsoft. gem form memory was on top of MSdos. | Jun 29 12:54 |
| cubexyz | no one was using microsoft basic on amiga oiaohm | Jun 29 12:54 |
| cubexyz | it sucked | Jun 29 12:54 |
| roy__ | today I heard about someone from Microsoft dumped .NET | Jun 29 12:54 |
| roy__ | moving to C++ | Jun 29 12:54 |
| cubexyz | GEM was digital research | Jun 29 12:54 |
| roy__ | perhaps Microsoft too realises that C# is rubbish | Jun 29 12:54 |
| roy__ | and will pay more for people who do C++ | Jun 29 12:54 |
| cubexyz | hardly fair to call it a Microsoft product | Jun 29 12:54 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaBASIC | Jun 29 12:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | AmigaBASIC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Jun 29 12:55 | |
| cubexyz | sysv xenix was SCO by that time | Jun 29 12:55 |
| cubexyz | microsoft product no longer | Jun 29 12:55 |
| cubexyz | and the true originator was Bell Labs | Jun 29 12:56 |
| cubexyz | not Microsoft | Jun 29 12:56 |
| cubexyz | Microsoft merely licensed Unix v7 | Jun 29 12:56 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenix Xenix brand is Microsoft. | Jun 29 12:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Xenix - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Jun 29 12:57 | |
| oiaohm | SCO licensed right to distrubite it for a while before making their own. | Jun 29 12:57 |
| oiaohm | The reality is back then cubexyz Microsoft was a lot more diversified company. | Jun 29 13:00 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft is slowly becoming a 1 trick pony. | Jun 29 13:00 |
| cubexyz | I'm not saying Xenix was all that great | Jun 29 13:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Garry's Mod and Rust Dev Say Linux Is a Second | Jun 29 13:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Class Citizen http://t.co/THDectGolx | Jun 29 13:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Garry's Mod and Rust Dev Say Linux Is a Second Class Citizen - Softpedia | Jun 29 13:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Jun 29 13:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/myf4x | Jun 29 13:00 |
| cubexyz | closed source and all that | Jun 29 13:00 |
| cubexyz | Xenix was never a microsoft thing when I was using it | Jun 29 13:01 |
| cubexyz | they bailed out to work on OS/2 with IBM, then bailed out on OS/2 | Jun 29 13:02 |
| roy__ | https://twitter.com/Reconquista1970/status/615491388478726144 | Jun 29 13:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Reconquista1970: @schestowitz After the events of last week, what we badly need is more,"Mosques". | Jun 29 13:06 | |
| roy__ | That's not the core issue, I guess, they can build their mosque in another place, not in the same site as a to-be-demolished church | Jun 29 13:07 |
| cubexyz | it's interesting that Gates was blah blah blahing at Unix Expo and never mentioned Linux once | Jun 29 13:09 |
| cubexyz | but i know Linux was starting to hit Universities in 1994 | Jun 29 13:09 |
| oiaohm | Unix conferences Linux was not to be mentioned to at least year 2000. | Jun 29 13:10 |
| oiaohm | Please not BSD was also in that camp of not talk about. | Jun 29 13:10 |
| cubexyz | ha | Jun 29 13:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "The statistics collection feature of | Jun 29 13:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | KActivities is slowly becoming a core part of | Jun 29 13:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Plasma." http://t.co/9WNtQPzWlw (cukic.co) | Jun 29 13:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cukic.co | Ivan Čukić | "Private browsing mode" for activities | Jun 29 13:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/myf92 | Jun 29 13:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus Gets Daily ISOs, Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS, | Jun 29 13:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and More http://t.co/OEg5wRKYi3 | Jun 29 13:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Solus Gets Daily ISOs, Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS, and More - Softpedia | Jun 29 13:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Jun 29 13:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/myf93 | Jun 29 13:12 |
| cubexyz | pretty sure I saw RedHat 5.2 retail box in stores | Jun 29 13:12 |
| cubexyz | november 1998 | Jun 29 13:12 |
| cubexyz | so it was definitely around | Jun 29 13:12 |
| cubexyz | and I'll prove that I had freebsd back in 1995: | Jun 29 13:13 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/freebsd-1995.jpeg | Jun 29 13:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Samsung sells a million Tizen Z1 Smartphones in | Jun 29 13:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | less than six months, more models coming soon | Jun 29 13:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/rdDeqQxEId (www.tizenexperts.com) | Jun 29 13:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/myf9x | Jun 29 13:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Samsung sells a million Tizen Z1 Smartphones in less than six months, more models coming soon - Tizen Experts | Jun 29 13:14 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Introducing the Default Wallpapers of the GNOME | Jun 29 13:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 3.18 Desktop Environment http://t.co/NWtvUOMG9D | Jun 29 13:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Introducing the Default Wallpapers of the GNOME 3.18 Desktop Environment - Softpedia | Jun 29 13:14 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linux.softpedia.com) | Jun 29 13:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/myf9y | Jun 29 13:14 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @EnvReddit favourited 'Introducing the Default Wallpapers of the GNOME 3.18...' | Jun 29 13:14 | |
| cubexyz | Minix, BeOS, FreeBSD, Yggdrasil Linux, etc | Jun 29 13:14 |
| roy__ | https://twitter.com/Reconquista1970/status/615493077575278592 | Jun 29 13:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Reconquista1970: @schestowitz It is a core issue, they've been building on top of ruined Churches for centuries, nothing's changed. | Jun 29 13:15 | |
| roy__ | https://twitter.com/Reconquista1970/status/615493494623367168 | Jun 29 13:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Reconquista1970: @schestowitz My concern is more the proliferation of Mosques and concern with who's financing them. | Jun 29 13:15 | |
| roy__ | Not hard to guess | Jun 29 13:15 |
| roy__ | https://twitter.com/Reconquista1970/status/615493784953073664 | Jun 29 13:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Reconquista1970: @schestowitz If the C of E didn't sell out to the very people who wish their demise, we wouldn't be having this conversation. | Jun 29 13:16 | |
| cubexyz | I'm a bit embarrassed I didn't use it more back then | Jun 29 13:17 |
| cubexyz | I was too busy trying to fix crashing win95 boxes | Jun 29 13:17 |
| cubexyz | didn't morph into a Unix traditionalist until a lot later | Jun 29 13:18 |
| cubexyz | here's a rough chronology: | Jun 29 13:19 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: What beastie does with the pancake? | Jun 29 13:19 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/unix-timeline.txt | Jun 29 13:19 |
| cubexyz | not sure exactly what that's supposed to be | Jun 29 13:20 |
| XRevan86 | floating pancake that illuminates in beastie's eyes | Jun 29 13:20 |
| cubexyz | it's the BSD Daemon with a puff of smoke or something | Jun 29 13:21 |
| XRevan86 | There is a type of shoes called "kedi" in Russian (wikipedia says it comes from "Keds" brand) | Jun 29 13:23 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I find that Beastie wears kedi. | Jun 29 13:24 |
| cubexyz | all the foss OS mascots: | Jun 29 13:25 |
| XRevan86 | Which is noticable because KDE. | Jun 29 13:25 |
| cubexyz | http://i.stack.imgur.com/rfBgZ.png | Jun 29 13:25 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: "Darwin" now qualifies as true FOSS? | Jun 29 13:26 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: that picture is a little old. | Jun 29 13:26 |
| cubexyz | isn't it mostly FOSS or something? | Jun 29 13:27 |
| oiaohm | The XRevan86 darwin like logo you are seeing is opendarwin | Jun 29 13:27 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It is. It just doesn't go into FOSS spirit, you know :). | Jun 29 13:27 |
| oiaohm | Yes OS X kernel with a X11 envornement. | Jun 29 13:27 |
| oiaohm | In otherwords horible. | Jun 29 13:27 |
| cubexyz | X needs a mascot :) | Jun 29 13:28 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Isn't it a bit too late? :) | Jun 29 13:31 |
| XRevan86 | I wonder whether Oracle Solaris Express is still alive. | Jun 29 13:36 |
| XRevan86 | or better to say, truly alive | Jun 29 13:36 |
| XRevan86 | I somehow suspect Oracle doesn't want it anymore. | Jun 29 13:36 |
| XRevan86 | (in either way, I don't understand the users of Oracle Solaris) | Jun 29 13:36 |
| cubexyz | it went closed source from what I understand | Jun 29 13:39 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It did, yeah. | Jun 29 13:39 |
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| cubexyz | Sun was mailing out free Solaris 10 DVDs for a while back in 2006 | Jun 29 13:40 |
| XRevan86 | Canonical was mailing out free Ubuntu for a while :). | Jun 29 13:41 |
| cubexyz | yes I got one :) | Jun 29 13:41 |
| XRevan86 | I didn't. I didn't realize the offer is limited %). | Jun 29 13:41 |
| XRevan86 | At least I have a CD with SUSE Linux 10 :). | Jun 29 13:43 |
| XRevan86 | Not an official one: it was OEM'ed with one of the PC's. | Jun 29 13:43 |
| XRevan86 | I didn't realize I have it until 6 years later so it was a nice surprise. | Jun 29 13:48 |
| XRevan86 | or maybe 8 years later | Jun 29 13:48 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm, cubexyz: What OS do you both use right now? :) | Jun 29 13:50 |
| cubexyz | I use a bunch of different ones | Jun 29 13:50 |
| cubexyz | this is openbsd I'm ircing on | Jun 29 13:50 |
| cubexyz | I also use vectorlinux (slack based), AntiX, FC1, Fedora 14, Fedora 16, and I work on improving Unix v5 a fair bit | Jun 29 13:51 |
| cubexyz | Basic Linux 3.5 on low memory systems, e.g. 16 megs of ram | Jun 29 13:52 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: What's the point of VectorLinux? | Jun 29 13:53 |
| cubexyz | it's my KDE 3.5.10 box, no big reason | Jun 29 13:54 |
| cubexyz | sort of a middle-weight Linux | Jun 29 13:55 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Why do you have so many old Fedora's? | Jun 29 13:56 |
| cubexyz | I used to have more :) | Jun 29 13:57 |
| cubexyz | I got back into Linux with Redhat 8 | Jun 29 13:57 |
| cubexyz | and I have a lot of old computers | Jun 29 13:57 |
| cubexyz | I keep them for testing stuff | Jun 29 13:58 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Well, you can install something modern there, right? | Jun 29 13:58 |
| cubexyz | I'm installing openbsd 5.7 on a box now actually | Jun 29 13:59 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: my core is Debian with KDE window manager. But that is not the only OS I run. | Jun 29 14:00 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Only kwin? | Jun 29 14:00 |
| oiaohm | I have all the other KDE stuff like plasma ... | Jun 29 14:01 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I was thinking about Debian, void linux, Arch and all that stuff when I wrote that message :). | Jun 29 14:01 |
| cubexyz | in some ways Unix v5 is the most educational | Jun 29 14:02 |
| cubexyz | you're forced to learn a lot | Jun 29 14:02 |
| cubexyz | stdio? nope | Jun 29 14:02 |
| oiaohm | My current debian is a mix between stable testing and sid. | Jun 29 14:03 |
| XRevan86 | Fedora was the most educational to me. I learned that I don't want to know anything about it. | Jun 29 14:03 |
| oiaohm | Also my machine image last clean install was 1998 | Jun 29 14:03 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, what are you using again? | Jun 29 14:03 |
| cubexyz | I know you told me but I've forgotten | Jun 29 14:03 |
| oiaohm | Lets just say for my core computer I don't change OS's much. | Jun 29 14:03 |
| oiaohm | I upgrade but not change. | Jun 29 14:04 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: openSUSE on my laptop, void linux on a stationary and Debian on a VPS. | Jun 29 14:04 |
| XRevan86 | Laptop is the main PC for me. | Jun 29 14:04 |
| oiaohm | My next motherboard with all the EFI changes I will at long last have todo a proper install. | Jun 29 14:04 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Set "Legacy BIOS" in it, boot Debian and then start reading Arch Wiki if you want UEFI :). | Jun 29 14:05 |
| XRevan86 | That's kind of how I moved to UEFI when I had upgraded BIOS on my laptop. | Jun 29 14:06 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: Not exactly. | Jun 29 14:06 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: It's UEFI-forced somehow? | Jun 29 14:06 |
| oiaohm | the newer EFI allows firmware updating from Linux. | Jun 29 14:06 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Um, I guess. But how does that change the procedure? | Jun 29 14:07 |
| oiaohm | https://blogs.intel.com/evangelists/2015/06/23/better-firmware-updates-in-linux-using-uefi-capsules/ | Jun 29 14:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.intel.com | Better Firmware Updates in Linux using UEFI Capsules - Intel Software and Services [ http://ur1.ca/myfs5 ] | Jun 29 14:08 | |
| oiaohm | EFI 2.5 support using uefi capsules to update the firmware. No dropping out to dos | Jun 29 14:08 |
| XRevan86 | > Set "Legacy BIOS" in BIOS setup (to boot from MBR), boot Debian as is from HDD/SSD, start the webbrowser and then start reading Arch Wiki if you want UEFI :). | Jun 29 14:08 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: EFI capsules require you in EFI mode. | Jun 29 14:09 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: And so you can transform the existing system to UEFI. | Jun 29 14:10 |
| oiaohm | Its when I change my motherboard. | Jun 29 14:10 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Right. | Jun 29 14:10 |
| oiaohm | My install might be 1998 old but by system is not. | Jun 29 14:10 |
| oiaohm | Basically My OS has transfered from computer to computer. | Jun 29 14:11 |
| XRevan86 | I'm just saying it doesn't require reinstallation effort. | Jun 29 14:11 |
| oiaohm | Stack of things are wrong. | Jun 29 14:11 |
| oiaohm | My Linux is partition as per 1998 best prac | Jun 29 14:11 |
| oiaohm | That is highly not friendly. | Jun 29 14:12 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Well, even repartitioning doesn't require reinstallation :). | Jun 29 14:12 |
| *XRevan86 doesn't like reinstallations. | Jun 29 14:12 | |
| oiaohm | Also I guess I have some collected crud. | Jun 29 14:12 |
| XRevan86 | LiveCD + external drive bigger than the internal one. | Jun 29 14:12 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: aptitude search '~i!~M' + cruft | Jun 29 14:13 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Debian gives everything one needs to have everything under control without the need to ever reinstall :). | Jun 29 14:14 |
| XRevan86 | autoinstalled packages can be listed the similiar way: '~i~M' | Jun 29 14:15 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: aptitude search '~i!~M' gives a list of packages that you manually had installed. | Jun 29 14:16 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: really 1 reinstall after 15 years of usage is not much. | Jun 29 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Compare to how many Windows users do. | Jun 29 14:17 |
| XRevan86 | if you see the package that shouldn't be installed manually (a dependency), just do "aptitude markauto $PACKAGE" | Jun 29 14:17 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Then you reinstall, backup data, restore data, resort data, reconfigure all the stuff. | Jun 29 14:18 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: you have listed why I have put it off for 15+ years. | Jun 29 14:19 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: And you can put it off for 15 more :). | Jun 29 14:20 |
| XRevan86 | I see no reason you need to reinstall, just clean it up a bit | Jun 29 14:20 |
| oiaohm | I would not exactly say a bit. | Jun 29 14:20 |
| XRevan86 | or not a bit, it doesn't matter: aptitude markauto can process multiple arguments :) | Jun 29 14:20 |
| oiaohm | I have a lot of depreated stuff | Jun 29 14:21 |
| XRevan86 | and rm too | Jun 29 14:21 |
| oiaohm | I am just to the point the system need a good house clean. | Jun 29 14:21 |
| oiaohm | Of course I will put it off to when I have to change configuration for EFI. | Jun 29 14:21 |
| XRevan86 | https://packages.debian.org/sid/cruft | Jun 29 14:21 |
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| oiaohm | XRevan86: craft currently lists over 15G of stuff. | Jun 29 14:22 |
| oiaohm | As I say my system over 15 years has got a bit of a mess | Jun 29 14:23 |
| MinceR | i don't think i kept any PC for 15 years | Jun 29 14:23 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Remove the stuff from the list that you need (and stuff that got into the stuff by cruft flaws) | Jun 29 14:23 |
| XRevan86 | and then remove it all | Jun 29 14:23 |
| MinceR | in use, anyway | Jun 29 14:24 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its not exactly 15 years in use. | Jun 29 14:24 |
| XRevan86 | and one last thing: aptitude download $(dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}') | Jun 29 14:24 |
| XRevan86 | I didn't bother to find out a better way to get a list of orphaned packages :) | Jun 29 14:24 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I have just been transfering my OS from compuer to computer. | Jun 29 14:25 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so the harddrive and motherboard that it started on I got rid of in 2004 and I have replaced it again in 2010 | Jun 29 14:25 |
| oiaohm | And sometime this year or next replace hardware again. | Jun 29 14:25 |
| oiaohm | About every 6 years or so I have perfomrance reasons to change over hardware. | Jun 29 14:26 |
| MinceR | i never did that | Jun 29 14:26 |
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| MinceR | though i'm thinking of putting most of my environment in a VM, that would be easy to clone/transplant | Jun 29 14:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I am a custom builder. | Jun 29 14:27 |
| MinceR | i mostly use laptops | Jun 29 14:27 |
| oiaohm | So lot of times my parts are build from parts customers order and pay for then decide they have changed mind. | Jun 29 14:27 |
| oiaohm | Laptops are a prick | Jun 29 14:28 |
| MinceR | yes, but at least they're portable | Jun 29 14:29 |
| oiaohm | I had a nice mill case for a while. | Jun 29 14:32 |
| oiaohm | Use to be fun as it was computer with intergrated desk in case. | Jun 29 14:33 |
| oiaohm | Took stock parts. | Jun 29 14:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Dutch city of Utrecht to experiment with a universal, unconditional 'basic income' http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dutch-city-of-utrecht-to-experiment-with-a-universal-unconditional-income-10345595.html will reduce stress, improve health | Jun 29 22:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.independent.co.uk | Dutch city of Utrecht to experiment with a universal, unconditional 'basic income' - Europe - World - The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/mxlnk ] | Jun 29 22:02 | |
| roy__ | https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/615611835287531520 https://twitter.com/mf1337/status/615609312979849216 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/615615884627955712 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/615616239390605312 | Jun 29 22:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: I read this and thought of @schestowitz who's always in love with Cisco gear. ;) https://t.co/fuzvM8WBVt | Jun 29 22:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@securityaffairs: Cisco Security Appliances contain a default SSH Key https://t.co/vPYj0kbf8K #securityaffairs #CISCO #SSH #patch | Jun 29 22:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mf1337: Google’s Fight to Keep APIs Free is Lost, Let’s Hope Google Continues Fighting http://t.co/zK4Dqt7cnC | Jun 29 22:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Google’s Fight to Keep APIs Free is Lost, Let’s Hope Google Continues Fighting | Techrights | Jun 29 22:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: China's best phone yet: Huawei P8 5.2-inch money-saving Android smartie http://t.co/DdxhX3RJi4 #china #huawei #linux #android | Jun 29 22:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theregister.co.uk | China's best phone yet: Huawei P8 5.2-inch money-saving Android smartie • The Register | Jun 29 22:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Nokia’s Android future to be built by Foxconn http://t.co/UVGxaNHsPu #nokia back to #linux then? | Jun 29 22:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.slashgear.com | Nokia’s Android future to be built by Foxconn - SlashGear | Jun 29 22:05 | |
| roy__ | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/615616844012122112 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/615617718532874241 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/615618005620367360 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/615618284956856320 | Jun 29 22:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Linux bids for UAV world domination by enslaving future skybot army http://t.co/ScUmYs9Qgg #drones #linux | Jun 29 22:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theregister.co.uk | Linux bids for UAV world domination by enslaving future skybot army • The Register | Jun 29 22:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: [Developer] #Samsung #Tizen TV SDK 1.5 Released http://t.co/0iZvoyRypT "SDK includes an Integrated Development Environment (IDE)" | Jun 29 22:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #DragonFly #BSD 4.2 Gets Improvements for i915 and Radeon, Moves to GCC 5 http://t.co/5jcQchuwYU #unix | Jun 29 22:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | DragonFly BSD 4.2 Gets Improvements for i915 and Radeon, Moves to GCC 5 - Softpedia | Jun 29 22:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #LibreOffice 5.0 to Bring More Improvements http://t.co/R93W2bHuAd #odf the key feature | Jun 29 22:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linux.softpedia.com | LibreOffice 5.0 to Bring More DOCX Improvements - Softpedia | Jun 29 22:05 | |
| roy__ | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/615618505019408384 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/615619194432974849 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/615620398940602368 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/615621327634960384 | Jun 29 22:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #RedHat storage: To petabytes and beyond! http://t.co/QP9KzJt9oS #gnu #linux #server #ceph #gluster | Jun 29 22:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com | Red Hat storage: To petabytes and beyond! | ZDNet | Jun 29 22:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Sad day for developers: #SCOTUS denies Google's appeal on APIs http://t.co/s5kdmi1YzR a truly disgraceful step http://t.co/hzPTbVLAIx | Jun 29 22:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.infoworld.com | Sad day for developers: SCOTUS denies Google's appeal on APIs | InfoWorld | Jun 29 22:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: It wasn't that long ago that GNU and Free software were thought of as toy software. -not @sjvn quote http://t.co/OtPIFfVuYE | Jun 29 22:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zdnet.com | The top 10 leaders driving open-source tech | ZDNet | Jun 29 22:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Atop, when you need to know exactly what's happening at the system-resource level http://t.co/MSeNkudvJp #atop #linux | Jun 29 22:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.freesoftwaremagazine.com | Atop, when you need to know exactly what's happening at the system-resource level | Jun 29 22:06 | |
| roy__ | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/615621976036634624 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/615624829476147200 https://twitter.com/ghabuntu/status/615624488542060544 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/615625555266916354 | Jun 29 22:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Release of #OpenMediaVault 2.1 (Stone burner) http://t.co/K4fqgwTYk7 | Jun 29 22:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.openmediavault.org | Release of OpenMediaVault 2.1 (Stone burner) | OpenMediaVault | Jun 29 22:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Dutch city of Utrecht to experiment with a universal, unconditional 'basic income' http://t.co/UDBGqNKws9 ... https://t.co/NNkZJe6GBZ | Jun 29 22:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> joindiaspora.com | Dutch city of Utr... | Jun 29 22:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ghabuntu: Google’s Fight to Keep APIs Free is Lost, Let’s Hope Google Continues Fighting: SCOTUS refuses to rule that AP... http://t.co/a4KHK2b41I | Jun 29 22:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Google’s Fight to Keep APIs Free is Lost, Let’s Hope Google Continues Fighting | Techrights | Jun 29 22:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #ikea patching servers as 'news' http://t.co/JjDEvcCWjw did what every other business does, moves on | Jun 29 22:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.eweek.com | Ikea Patched for Shellshock by Methodically Upgrading All Servers | Jun 29 22:06 | |
| roy__ | https://twitter.com/accessnow/status/615585560028127236 https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/615587332838850560 | Jun 29 22:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@accessnow: Heard of the monster EU-US trade deal TTIP? Here are 7 things you need to know #infographic http://t.co/nNuUMbTLib | Jun 29 22:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@accessnow: Heard of the monster EU-US trade deal TTIP? Here are 7 things you need to know #infographic http://t.co/nNuUMbTLib | Jun 29 22:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: Espionnage Élysée - https://t.co/29km71ITNZ why pretending EU's #TTIP negotiating position is "secret" is absurd: NSA already has it all | Jun 29 22:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://wikileaks.org/nsa-france/spyorder/ ) | Jun 29 22:07 | |
| roy__ | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/615334118872772608 | Jun 29 22:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Pretty impressive how #MarinaBaySands built (watched this #BBC documentary twice) https://t.co/iNXRFdo1eD ... https://t.co/diHZ5VdAb8 | Jun 29 22:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com | Marina Bay Sands - Super architecture # Lee kuan yew # Asian dragons - YouTube | Jun 29 22:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> joindiaspora.com | Pretty impressive... | Jun 29 22:10 | |
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| MinceR | http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2015-May/031658.html | Jun 29 22:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.freedesktop.org | [systemd-devel] dev-root.device is not active,results in an umount spree [ http://ur1.ca/myk9k ] | Jun 29 22:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The top 10 leaders driving open-source tech | Jun 29 22:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The top 10 leaders driving open-source tech | Tux Machines | Jun 29 22:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Release of OpenMediaVault 2.1 (Stone burner) | Jun 29 22:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/EMdewESyCy (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jun 29 22:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Release of OpenMediaVault 2.1 (Stone burner) | Tux Machines | Jun 29 22:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A month with Fedora 22 leaves me hungry for 23 | Jun 29 22:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/t66qQQv8ts (www.zdnet.com) | Jun 29 22:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | A month with Fedora 22 leaves me hungry for 23 | ZDNet | Jun 29 22:46 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Check the Ubuntu Touch Wish List for Apps and | Jun 29 22:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | New Features http://t.co/4Q2ZKbCOry | Jun 29 22:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Check the Ubuntu Touch Wish List for Apps and New Features - Softpedia | Jun 29 22:50 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Unity 8 Just Got a Cool 3D App Switcher for the | Jun 29 22:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Desktop http://t.co/TS7qrzq1M6 | Jun 29 22:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Jun 29 22:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Unity 8 Just Got a Cool 3D App Switcher for the Desktop - Softpedia | Jun 29 22:50 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @Ubuntu_topics favourited 'Check the Ubuntu Touch Wish List for Apps...' | Jun 29 22:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solar 2 for Linux Review http://t.co/FZwbAH6eZx | Jun 29 22:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.softpedia.com | Solar 2 for Linux Review - Softpedia | Jun 29 22:55 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines House gets green light for open source | Jun 29 22:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | House gets green light for open source | Tux Machines | Jun 29 22:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat CEO Applies Open-Source Principles to | Jun 29 22:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Management [VIDEO] http://t.co/FJFMtWdcxu | Jun 29 22:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat CEO Applies Open-Source Principles to Management [VIDEO] | Tux Machines | Jun 29 22:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Finding the Right Enterprise SSD for Linux | Jun 29 22:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Machines http://t.co/WDXdKPnlm9 | Jun 29 22:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jun 29 22:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Finding the Right Enterprise SSD for Linux Machines | Tux Machines | Jun 29 22:55 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A month with Fedora 22 leaves me hungry for 23 | Jun 29 22:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/oQyLVBdKJS (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jun 29 22:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A month with Fedora 22 leaves me hungry for 23 | Tux Machines | Jun 29 22:55 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Check the Ubuntu Touch Wish List for Apps and | Jun 29 23:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | New Features http://t.co/RrMgaS6CwF | Jun 29 23:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jun 29 23:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Check the Ubuntu Touch Wish List for Apps and New Features | Tux Machines | Jun 29 23:40 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Exciting Features Merged So Far For The Linux | Jun 29 23:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 4.2 Kernel http://t.co/1iO7OTyc6M | Jun 29 23:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) http://t.co/qG5NPbsWJ8 | Jun 29 23:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Exciting Features Merged So Far For The Linux 4.2 Kernel - Phoronix | Jun 29 23:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Jun 29 23:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Intel Dominates The Perf Changes For Linux 4.2 - Phoronix | Jun 29 23:40 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat CEO Warns About Faux Open Source | Jun 29 23:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat CEO Warns About Faux Open Source | Tux Machines | Jun 29 23:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BeagleCore Open Source Internet Of Things | Jun 29 23:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Development Board (video) | Jun 29 23:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | BeagleCore Open Source Internet Of Things Development Board (video) | Tux Machines | Jun 29 23:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Intel Dominates The Perf Changes For Linux 4.2 | Jun 29 23:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Intel Dominates The Perf Changes For Linux 4.2 | Tux Machines | Jun 29 23:41 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Video review of KDE Plasma 5 from Nerd on the | Jun 30 00:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Street http://t.co/AYbpNHsDjN | Jun 30 00:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wire.kubuntu.org | Video review of KDE Plasma 5 from Nerd on the Street | Kubuntu Wire | Jun 30 00:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Kernel 4.2 Should Be Bigger (In Commits) Than | Jun 30 00:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | The Previous Two Kernel Versions (4.1 And 4.0) | Jun 30 00:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net | Kernel 4.2 Should Be Bigger (In Commits) Than The Previous Two Kernel Versions (4.1 And 4.0) | LinuxG.net | Jun 30 00:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How KDE VDG Is Trying To Make Open-Source | Jun 30 00:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Software Beautiful http://t.co/blnCAmtefh | Jun 30 00:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | How KDE VDG Is Trying To Make Open-Source Software Beautiful - Phoronix | Jun 30 00:24 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Aria2 Vs Wget – Choose your Download Manager | Jun 30 00:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Aria2 Vs Wget – Choose your Download Manager | Tux Machines | Jun 30 00:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open source COM version of BeagleBone Black | Jun 30 00:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | hits Kickstarter http://t.co/j8vrWHXCMs | Jun 30 00:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open source COM version of BeagleBone Black hits Kickstarter | Tux Machines | Jun 30 00:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: KDE Software http://t.co/RuF9O4C8LY | Jun 30 00:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: KDE Software | Tux Machines | Jun 30 00:38 | |
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| cubexyz | openbsd 5.7 comes with fvwm as default | Jun 30 04:37 |
| cubexyz | I got to say it's a crap choice | Jun 30 04:37 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: fvwm vs cde. Note cde has been a unix tradition for a long time. | Jun 30 04:59 |
| cubexyz | at least put icewm on there | Jun 30 04:59 |
| cubexyz | fvwm is just painful | Jun 30 04:59 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: have you used cde | Jun 30 05:00 |
| cubexyz | I don't think so | Jun 30 05:00 |
| oiaohm | There are something Unix old timers should not choose. | Jun 30 05:00 |
| cubexyz | maybe on Ultrix? | Jun 30 05:00 |
| oiaohm | The Windows manager. | Jun 30 05:00 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: modern cde looks like xfce | Jun 30 05:01 |
| oiaohm | Old cde looks and acts very much like fvwm | Jun 30 05:02 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Desktop_Environment cubexyz CDE I what the Unix world decide was a good desktop envornment. | Jun 30 05:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Common Desktop Environment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/myni7 ] | Jun 30 05:03 | |
| oiaohm | You can fairly much see the Linux world really did not agree. | Jun 30 05:03 |
| oiaohm | With KDE, Gnome and many others. | Jun 30 05:03 |
| cubexyz | is there CDE for Linux? | Jun 30 05:05 |
| cubexyz | I really like icewm though | Jun 30 05:06 |
| cubexyz | I've tried almost everything | Jun 30 05:06 |
| cubexyz | CDE looks rather like KDE 1.0 | Jun 30 05:11 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FVWM Has a lot of good decentants. I hope they were at least using FVWM-XPM | Jun 30 05:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | FVWM - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Jun 30 05:12 | |
| oiaohm | http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/SupportedPlatforms/ cubexyz cde is build from source | Jun 30 05:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sourceforge.net | CDE - Common Desktop Environment / Wiki / SupportedPlatforms [ http://ur1.ca/mynl3 ] | Jun 30 05:12 | |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, it's just when Thompson wrote the Thompson Shell, and a bunch of other people improved on it: mashey shell, bourne shell, lots of others | Jun 30 05:13 |
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| cubexyz | finally got tinywm working : | Jun 30 06:10 |
| cubexyz | such a silly issue with tinywm-session | Jun 30 06:10 |
| cubexyz | so minimal I love it | Jun 30 06:11 |
| cubexyz | feel the minimalism: | Jun 30 06:17 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/tinywm-1.3.png | Jun 30 06:17 |
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| MinceR | cubexyz: fvwm is great | Jun 30 14:09 |
| cubexyz | what's great about it? | Jun 30 14:09 |
| MinceR | it's very flexible | Jun 30 14:11 |
| cubexyz | the openbsd guys seem to like it, it's the default window manager | Jun 30 14:14 |
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| cubexyz | it defaults to a very tiny font though | Jun 30 14:18 |
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| XRevan86 | http://newsru.com/world/30jun2015/sorcery.html ISIS kills two women accusing them in witchcraft. | Jun 30 20:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-newsru.com | NEWSru.com :: " " , [ http://ur1.ca/myvy3 ] | Jun 30 20:59 | |
| XRevan86 | Witchcraft. Seriously!? | Jun 30 20:59 |
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| MinceR | welcome to the dark ages! | Jun 30 21:46 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I didn't miss them. | Jun 30 21:50 |
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| XRevan86 | ISIS guys really should make a public poll: "Whether you do or do not the ressurection of dark ages? [Y/n/R U mad?]" | Jun 30 21:51 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter, they're coming back. | Jun 30 21:53 |
| XRevan86 | I'm very tired and didn't sleep last night properly, sorry for my sentences. | Jun 30 21:53 |
| MinceR | both the fundies and the oligarchs want them back | Jun 30 21:54 |
| MinceR | fundie oligarchs more so; fundie dictators most of all. | Jun 30 21:54 |
| XRevan86 | Do populists qualify as fundie dictators? | Jun 30 21:59 |
| MinceR | dunno, i certainly know about at least one fundie dictator who is also a populist | Jun 30 21:59 |
| MinceR | or at least used to be | Jun 30 21:59 |
| MinceR | i wonder what he'll do once he figures out that even the fans of his party tend to oppose his ban on shops being open on sundays | Jun 30 22:00 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Wow, that's stupid. | Jun 30 22:01 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jun 30 22:01 |
| MinceR | but it comes naturally with christian fundamentalism | Jun 30 22:01 |
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| XRevan86 | christian fundamentalism becomes rational to a person if be believes in the | Jun 30 22:02 |
| XRevan86 | righteousness of christian ways | Jun 30 22:02 |
| XRevan86 | Where there's christians, there are fundamentalists | Jun 30 22:02 |
| MinceR | myth. not even once. | Jun 30 22:03 |
| XRevan86 | s/christian/$RELIGION_GUY/ | Jun 30 22:03 |
| MinceR | http://weloveatheism.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/V89sgYj.jpg | Jun 30 22:03 |
| XRevan86 | My point is: religion ways are fady and reviewing them in the ways human want is like admitting they mean literally nothing. | Jun 30 22:05 |
| XRevan86 | And religious people don't like to admit that => fundamentalism is an answer for them. | Jun 30 22:05 |
| XRevan86 | I was trying to remember the word: integrity. | Jun 30 22:09 |
| XRevan86 | I see it like that fundamentalists try to find integrity in their religion. | Jun 30 22:10 |
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| DaemonFC | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/06/op-ed-safari-is-the-new-internet-explorer/ | Jun 30 22:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Op-ed: Safari is the new Internet Explorer | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/mywob ] | Jun 30 22:15 | |
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| MinceR | unfortunately, there's also an old internet explorer | Jun 30 22:24 |
| MinceR | >Microsoft is repentant these days | Jun 30 22:55 |
| MinceR | typical arse technica bullshit | Jun 30 22:55 |
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| roy__ | https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/616002885495713792 | Jun 30 23:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz nice post. The only challenge with completely switching is the fear of losing investments in paid #Windows software #flstudio | Jun 30 23:02 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: To be fair, I have tried their new Edge browser. It *is* superior to Safari, although that isn't saying much. | Jun 30 23:15 |
| MinceR | ah yes, the new name of IE | Jun 30 23:15 |
| MinceR | like their "new" search engine, windows live search | Jun 30 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | Not exactly. Edge is a distinctly different browser. | Jun 30 23:16 |
| MinceR | oh, i'm sure it's different | Jun 30 23:16 |
| MinceR | just like the tcp/ip stack in vista was "totally rewritten" | Jun 30 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | It sheds a lot of backwards compatibility junk and it's faster and more standards compliant. | Jun 30 23:16 |
| MinceR | it just happened to have the exact same bugs. | Jun 30 23:16 |
| MinceR | totally accidental. | Jun 30 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | It's possible that it was rewritten and had some of the same bugs, by design. | Jun 30 23:17 |
| MinceR | yeah | Jun 30 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | For applications that were written to expect them and break without them. | Jun 30 23:18 |
| MinceR | it's also possible that instead of paying some developers to write new code, they paid some artists to come up with a new name and logo | Jun 30 23:18 |
| MinceR | and a new skin for the ui | Jun 30 23:18 |
| MinceR | and pay some "journalists" to spread the word. | Jun 30 23:18 |
| MinceR | and flipped a few switches in the code, maybe | Jun 30 23:18 |
| MinceR | how many times has m$ have to lie blatantly for people to catch up to the fact that they never tell the truth? | Jun 30 23:19 |
| roy__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6286260 | Jun 30 23:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: OpenBSD from a veteran Linux user perspective http://cfenollosa.com/blog/openbsd-from-a-veteran-linux-user-perspective.html #openbsd #bsd #unix #security | Jun 30 23:26 | |
| roy__ | " | Jun 30 23:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> cfenollosa.com | OpenBSD from a veteran Linux user perspective [ http://ur1.ca/myxez ] | Jun 30 23:26 | |
| roy__ | "In a few years we've gone from /etc/init.d/sshd restart to service sshd restart to systemctl start sshd." | Jun 30 23:26 |
| roy__ | I'll miss this part now that I'm a DBA. | Jun 30 23:26 |
| roy__ | " | Jun 30 23:26 |
| roy__ | " | Jun 30 23:27 |
| roy__ | "it's the price of progress, aimed to make computers boot faster" | Jun 30 23:27 |
| roy__ | Sure. | Jun 30 23:27 |
| roy__ | " | Jun 30 23:27 |
| roy__ | "I really like systemd. It provides a consistent interface to all services." | Jun 30 23:27 |
| roy__ | "I think it's a nice piece of blogpost - My first little steps with OpenBSD have not been long time ago - also with 5.7 - it feels a bit strange without procFS, but I think it's a nice operating system. I've had a little problem with ncurses, what I couldn't solve so I decided to install something else on that old ppc-machine. And yes, the man pages are great. I've been reading them and somewhen I realised that night was already very over (04:10 | Jun 30 23:27 |
| roy__ | am) ... I have been absorded in reading man pages that night :D" | Jun 30 23:27 |
| roy__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6286931 | Jun 30 23:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Linux #Kernel 4.1.1 Is Now the Most Stable and Advanced Version Available http://news.softpedia.com/news/linux-kernel-4-1-1-is-now-the-most-stable-and-advanced-version-available-485637.shtml | Jun 30 23:28 | |
| roy__ | "kinda wish to see some headlines like "Linux kernel now improve battery life significantly"" | Jun 30 23:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 4.1.1 Is Now the Most Stable and Advanced Version Available - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/myxfg ] | Jun 30 23:28 | |
| roy__ | "https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6286931" | Jun 30 23:28 |
| roy__ | "^ +1" | Jun 30 23:28 |
| roy__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6282074 | Jun 30 23:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "can’t be screenshot, saved or forwarded, and the app’s servers are wiped daily to avoid being targeted by hackers." http://www.heraldsun.com.au/technology/techknow/aussie-dads-fight-back-against-revenge-porn-and-sexting-by-making-safe-app-for-sharing-nude-photos/story-fni0byfl-1227417816014 | Jun 30 23:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.heraldsun.com.au | No Cookies | Herald Sun [ http://ur1.ca/mydls ] | Jun 30 23:29 | |
| roy__ | "and for trophy swapping. I wonder how long it takes 20 something interns to get bored of it." | Jun 30 23:29 |
| roy__ | "porn-viewing rooms? Are they private booths with a box of kleenex conveniently supplied?" | Jun 30 23:29 |
| roy__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6289863 | Jun 30 23:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: XFS Will Get DAX Support In The Linux 4.2 Kernel http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=XFS-Linux-4.2-DAX-And-More | Jun 30 23:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.phoronix.com | XFS Will Get DAX Support In The Linux 4.2 Kernel - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/myxga ] | Jun 30 23:30 | |
| roy__ | "Are there still Reiser FS user?" | Jun 30 23:30 |
| MinceR | make computers boot into an infinite umount attempt loop faster | Jun 30 23:35 |
| MinceR | make computers boot faster by forgetting to start some services randomly | Jun 30 23:36 |
| MinceR | make computers boot faster by not waiting for fsck to finish | Jun 30 23:36 |
| gde33 | MinceR: I thought it was sad express gate doesnt boot in the background | Jun 30 23:49 |
| gde33 | you could have many layers of booting | Jun 30 23:49 |
| MinceR | many layers of screwing up | Jun 30 23:49 |
| gde33 | thats ok, as long as the final version has all the features | Jun 30 23:50 |
| gde33 | if I just want a web browser it is madly annoying to wait for ages | Jun 30 23:50 |
| gde33 | you have to reap the fruits of a thought in the moment not 10 seconds later | Jun 30 23:50 |
| gde33 | for websites a delay of more than 0.2 costs visitors and ruins click though rate | Jun 30 23:51 |
| gde33 | the web shit is comming from the other end of the world | Jun 30 23:51 |
| MinceR | funny they should use such a bloated "standard" then | Jun 30 23:52 |
| gde33 | yeah its terrible | Jun 30 23:52 |
| gde33 | the old skool instant on + tape streamer was faster than modern boot loaders | Jun 30 23:52 |
| gde33 | the core issue is that people are small thinkers | Jun 30 23:53 |
| gde33 | small thinkers have no respect for big ideas, they wont support them | Jun 30 23:54 |
| MinceR | to me it looks more like the core issue is that people are stupid | Jun 30 23:54 |
| gde33 | lack of vision is a kind of stupid | Jun 30 23:54 |
| MinceR | they're mesmerized by shiny new crap and don't care for stuff that works | Jun 30 23:54 |
| gde33 | being against everything is also a kind of stupid | Jun 30 23:55 |
| MinceR | and since the IT industry manages to sell to the common consumer, it's being bent into the shape the common idiot appreciates | Jun 30 23:55 |
| MinceR | it's getting to the point where an IT professional can't get work done | Jun 30 23:55 |
| gde33 | indeed | Jun 30 23:55 |
| gde33 | oh since the 90's I didnt even want to work in IT anymore | Jun 30 23:56 |
| gde33 | fucking garbage | Jun 30 23:56 |
| gde33 | stupid people have their place in development | Jun 30 23:57 |
| gde33 | they are useful for UI testing, writing documentation and making tutorials | Jun 30 23:58 |
| gde33 | high end nerds cant do UI | Jun 30 23:58 |
| MinceR | actually, high end nerds can do UI | Jun 30 23:58 |
| MinceR | but it ends up a UI a smart person can use and actually do stuff with | Jun 30 23:58 |
| gde33 | if you put random characters on the interface buttons the high end nerd can just use it as if nothing is wrong | Jun 30 23:58 |
| MinceR | the common idiot wants some dumbed-down shiny crap | Jun 30 23:59 |
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| gde33 | he doesnt understand how people fail to understand things | Jun 30 23:59 |
| MinceR | i don't see what business people who fail to understand things have with computers | Jun 30 23:59 |
| gde33 | dumbed down UI is a sympthom of bad UI design | Jun 30 23:59 |
| gde33 | you want the lerning curve to be as small as possible | Jul 01 00:00 |
| gde33 | expose the new user to as much power as he can comprehand | Jul 01 00:00 |
| gde33 | it helps the high end nerd too | Jul 01 00:00 |
| gde33 | it is like any development, you want things to be as efficent as possible | Jul 01 00:01 |
| gde33 | gradual improvements have the drawback of confusing long term users | Jul 01 00:01 |
| gde33 | therefore it is good to work really hard at UI design early on | Jul 01 00:02 |
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| gde33 | MinceR: in the old days good ui design looked like this http://badgerlandhomeloans.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/wi-mortgage-calculator.jpg | Jul 01 00:03 |
| gde33 | They got the reset button wrong and the = is to small | Jul 01 00:04 |
| gde33 | ehh the = is to small on this one http://www.tampaymca.info/2cmby/images/images/Calculator_01.jpg | Jul 01 00:04 |
| gde33 | onscreen interfaces can never compare to physical ones | Jul 01 00:04 |
| gde33 | here the nerds are taking over http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71FFmguxgYL._SL1500_.jpg | Jul 01 00:06 |
| MinceR | for the better | Jul 01 00:06 |
| gde33 | to some extend yes in other ways no | Jul 01 00:06 |
| MinceR | still, at this point a touchscreen might work better | Jul 01 00:07 |
| gde33 | indeed | Jul 01 00:07 |
| MinceR | in at least one calculator application i can just swipe between sets of buttons | Jul 01 00:07 |
| gde33 | the common failure to me is when the functionality of things can not be learned from the interface | Jul 01 00:08 |
| gde33 | it is not so hard to display a bit of code on a web page and link each instruction to documentation | Jul 01 00:08 |
| gde33 | with limited experience in any language anyone would be able to read the code | Jul 01 00:09 |
| gde33 | a small box on the side with a short description of the instruction would go a long way | Jul 01 00:10 |
| gde33 | give it a read more button to a tutorial | Jul 01 00:10 |
| gde33 | give the tutorial a link to the specs | Jul 01 00:10 |
| gde33 | unless it is machine code the spec could point to its implementation | Jul 01 00:10 |
| gde33 | if the interpreter is written in C point to that part of the codebase | Jul 01 00:11 |
| gde33 | then have the same thing again | Jul 01 00:11 |
| gde33 | like that UI will teach people a lot about coding all without crufty webpages or slow books | Jul 01 00:12 |
| gde33 | in stead we have nerds evangelize against comments that describe what code does | Jul 01 00:12 |
| gde33 | and amazon paywalls | Jul 01 00:13 |
| gde33 | lol | Jul 01 00:13 |
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| MinceR | and a supposedly "free" supposedly "init system" with messy code devoid of comments or documentation | Jul 01 00:14 |
| gde33 | haha | Jul 01 00:15 |
| gde33 | code you cant interface with | Jul 01 00:15 |
| gde33 | makes interesting reading while you rewrite the whole thing | Jul 01 00:15 |
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| cubexyz | people learn by looking at the simplest examples | Jul 01 03:54 |
| cubexyz | I learned a lot by looking at tinywm.c | Jul 01 03:54 |
| cubexyz | any window manager is simply a collection of xlib function calls after all | Jul 01 03:54 |
| cubexyz | any init program is a collection of system function calls | Jul 01 03:58 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/original-unix-v5-init.c.txt | Jul 01 04:00 |
| cubexyz | compare to v7: | Jul 01 04:02 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/unix-v7-init.c.txt | Jul 01 04:03 |
| cubexyz | after a long period of time a simple 200 line init program morphs into ....I guess it's around 800 lines of code or so | Jul 01 04:09 |
| cubexyz | probably more than that actually | Jul 01 04:10 |
| cubexyz | maybe there's a tinyinit.c somewhere :) | Jul 01 04:12 |
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| roy__ | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/616146048810008576 | Jul 01 08:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: cc: @schestowitz https://t.co/5Z0oUhl75T | Jul 01 08:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TheRegister: Script-blocker NoScript lets in ANYTHING from http://t.co/VpJfgT7J0e http://t.co/09lkeF0CYf | Jul 01 08:30 | |
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| roy__ | http://www.openssh.com/txt/release-6.9 | Jul 01 09:08 |
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| r_schestowitz | "Concerning the monitoring of IRC logs," said one person, "this information is not really "public" so it may be better to keep it it under wraps for the moment." | Jul 01 09:52 |
| r_schestowitz | re EPO | Jul 01 09:53 |
| r_schestowitz | "As we said, it may be best to keep this particular aspect of the story quiet for the moment to avoid compromising any "sources"." | Jul 01 09:55 |
| r_schestowitz | so they're spying on us.. | Jul 01 09:55 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gordonbp/status/616184379837153280 | Jul 01 11:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gordonbp: @schestowitz Seen this? Microsoft in the dark after Parliamentary email disrupted for three days http://t.co/QvodOn11Gn | Jul 01 11:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.computerweekly.com | Microsoft in the dark after Parliamentary email disrupted for three days | Jul 01 11:02 | |
| r_schestowitz | Writing about it at this very moment (almost finished) | Jul 01 11:02 |
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| gde33|2 | who was the http://cosmicpenguin.com here again? my memories are failing to much irc | Jul 01 17:49 |
| XRevan86 | gde33|2: msb__ | Jul 01 17:50 |
| gde33|2 | XRevan86: thanks! | Jul 01 17:50 |
| gde33|2 | msb__: I reply your email from last week, enjoy! | Jul 01 17:50 |
| msb__ | Thanks! | Jul 01 17:51 |
| msb__ | W | Jul 01 18:04 |
| msb__ | gde33|2: Wow, That is full of great ideas! | Jul 01 18:04 |
| msb__ | OK if I publish it on my website, with your name of course? | Jul 01 18:05 |
| msb__ | I will link to it from the page with the final version of the thing that I sent out. | Jul 01 18:07 |
| msb__ | gde33|2: Would you please give a reference for that psychopath brain test? | Jul 01 18:09 |
| gde33|2 | msb__: there are lots | Jul 01 18:12 |
| gde33|2 | some articles try to leave doubt but there is no need for perfection | Jul 01 18:12 |
| gde33|2 | a healthy empathic brain lights up like a xmas tree | Jul 01 18:12 |
| gde33|2 | here is a doubter http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/psychopaths-might-have-an-impaired-empathy-circuit/ | Jul 01 18:13 |
| msb__ | Does it require injection with some chemical? | Jul 01 18:13 |
| gde33|2 | http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/nov/25/could-a-brain-scan-diagnose-you-as-a-psychopath | Jul 01 18:14 |
| gde33|2 | msb__: I'm not aware of the details, some years ago there was a guy on TV who argued it was easy to identify a healthy person | Jul 01 18:14 |
| gde33|2 | if you want more accuracy you show more images and videos | Jul 01 18:15 |
| gde33|2 | it is endlessly more effective than say a lie detector test | Jul 01 18:15 |
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| gde33|2 | msb__: just imagine watching someone cut off their finger, it should be easy to imagine the level of brain activity you will suffer | Jul 01 18:16 |
| gde33|2 | in healthy people it is almost identical to cutting off your own | Jul 01 18:16 |
| gde33|2 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_neuron | Jul 01 18:17 |
| msb__ | "parts of the brain lighting up" might be this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positron_emission_tomography | Jul 01 18:20 |
| gde33|2 | msb__: you could repeat the test regularly to improve the results | Jul 01 18:21 |
| msb__ | which requires injection of a radioactive tracer | Jul 01 18:21 |
| gde33|2 | the harm to the person is not really an issue in the face of the concequences | Jul 01 18:21 |
| gde33|2 | that said we have lots of tests | Jul 01 18:21 |
| gde33|2 | police and intelligence agencies have been using check lists for a long time | Jul 01 18:22 |
| msb__ | If we're going to test all candidates for public office or corporate/media leadership then it does. | Jul 01 18:22 |
| gde33|2 | it of course has to be a non invasive test | Jul 01 18:23 |
| gde33|2 | but you dont have to feel sorry for the person | Jul 01 18:23 |
| gde33|2 | we've starved 500 million people since 1973 | Jul 01 18:23 |
| msb__ | I think psychopaths could learn to fool checklists like Robert Hare's. | Jul 01 18:24 |
| gde33|2 | oh god I seem to have that stat wrong, now I read a news clipping that claims 500 m starved between 1972 and 73 | Jul 01 18:24 |
| MinceR | unless their deficiency (psychopathy) makes them unable to do so | Jul 01 18:25 |
| gde33|2 | you can work your way around doping tests too | Jul 01 18:25 |
| gde33|2 | it is not an excuse to eliminate the great majority of empathy free people | Jul 01 18:25 |
| msb__ | Is there a non-injurious test for psychopathy that 'paths can't learn to fool? | Jul 01 18:26 |
| gde33|2 | older people are more likely to have a brain disorder and older psychopaths take bigger risks | Jul 01 18:26 |
| gde33|2 | msb__: the guy on TV said it was easy | Jul 01 18:27 |
| msb__ | That's what we need if we're going to test all political candidates, etc. | Jul 01 18:27 |
| gde33|2 | he was testing people for marketing departments | Jul 01 18:27 |
| gde33|2 | because psychopaths have poor sales skills | Jul 01 18:27 |
| gde33|2 | msb__: or else millions of deaths is acceptable? | Jul 01 18:28 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/xxdesmus/status/616250070829109252 | Jul 01 18:28 |
| r_schestowitz | Cloudflare | Jul 01 18:28 |
| msb__ | I would think "Buy this or I'll kill you!" would be pretty effective. | Jul 01 18:28 |
| gde33|2 | a 90 year old psycho doesn't care if the world is still here 20 years from now | Jul 01 18:28 |
| gde33|2 | msb__: not for long term relations | Jul 01 18:29 |
| gde33|2 | best marketeer can crawl in the skin of their victim :P | Jul 01 18:29 |
| msb__ | I was kidding. | Jul 01 18:29 |
| msb__ | oog! | Jul 01 18:30 |
| MinceR | gross | Jul 01 18:30 |
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| msb__ | Of course millions of deaths are not acceptable, but if the psych test requires injection of radioactive tracers, which will cause cancer with some probability, people won't accept that. | Jul 01 18:32 |
| gde33|2 | msb__: I dont know of course, but maybe you are talking about yourself? people who truly want to end the mess we are in are happy to give their life for the cause. | Jul 01 18:33 |
| gde33|2 | no self respecting psycho would want that injection :D | Jul 01 18:33 |
| msb__ | No non-suicidal person would want it either. | Jul 01 18:34 |
| MinceR | obviously, all non-suicidal people are psychopaths. | Jul 01 18:34 |
| msb__ | I have no wish to be a decision-maker, so there would be no reason to test me for psychopathy. | Jul 01 18:35 |
| gde33|2 | ehm? lol | Jul 01 18:35 |
| MinceR | can't you just use fMRI instead? | Jul 01 18:35 |
| MinceR | won't work with people who have metal implants though | Jul 01 18:35 |
| MinceR | (note that PET and MRI are both extremely expensive) | Jul 01 18:36 |
| gde33|2 | worth every penny | Jul 01 18:36 |
| gde33|2 | msb__: anyway, limited results are good enough for now | Jul 01 18:37 |
| gde33|2 | no cocaine adicts for president | Jul 01 18:37 |
| gde33|2 | no alcoholics | Jul 01 18:38 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Thanks, this looks promising: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_magnetic_resonance_imaging | Jul 01 18:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Functional magnetic resonance imaging - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/mz58b ] | Jul 01 18:38 | |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 01 18:38 |
| gde33|2 | the slightest indication someone is not playing with a full deck should really be enough to exclude them | Jul 01 18:40 |
| msb__ | That's not really an objective criterion. | Jul 01 18:41 |
| MinceR | "power to the one who doesn't want it!" | Jul 01 18:42 |
| gde33|2 | msb__: it doesn't have to be fair | Jul 01 18:42 |
| gde33|2 | we have many millions of people who are fit for the job | Jul 01 18:42 |
| gde33|2 | it is not about the candidate it is about everyone else | Jul 01 18:43 |
| gde33|2 | we must look at it from the psychopath perspective | Jul 01 18:43 |
| gde33|2 | to them any flawed system is a sign of weakness | Jul 01 18:43 |
| gde33|2 | they will play the game of chess to win and by any rules established | Jul 01 18:44 |
| gde33|2 | if the opponent is dumb he should lose | Jul 01 18:44 |
| msb__ | Maybe the solution involves having fewer leaders and more democracy. http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/31567-socialism-means-abolishing-the-distinction-between-bosses-and-employees | Jul 01 18:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.truth-out.org | Richard D. Wolff | Socialism Means Abolishing the Distinction Between Bosses and Employees [ http://ur1.ca/mz5a1 ] | Jul 01 18:45 | |
| gde33|2 | it is very easy to look at things from their perspective, humans are just resources | Jul 01 18:45 |
| gde33|2 | nature is just resources | Jul 01 18:45 |
| gde33|2 | msb__: you can do that too | Jul 01 18:45 |
| gde33|2 | but I'm looking for a permanent fix | Jul 01 18:45 |
| gde33|2 | not something that might work for a few years or a few generations | Jul 01 18:46 |
| gde33|2 | your doubt about scans is also a cultural product | Jul 01 18:46 |
| gde33|2 | you may expect lots of people to be against it | Jul 01 18:47 |
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| msb__ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation | Jul 01 18:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Mondragon Corporation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/mz5ap ] | Jul 01 18:47 | |
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| gde33|2 | this is a result of being deprived of everything by the psychopaths | Jul 01 18:47 |
| gde33|2 | people stop believing in answers | Jul 01 18:47 |
| gde33|2 | maybe not you personally | Jul 01 18:48 |
| gde33|2 | but for the most part that is why people antagonize | Jul 01 18:48 |
| gde33|2 | it is like a race to the bottom | Jul 01 18:48 |
| msb__ | Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty. | Jul 01 18:49 |
| gde33|2 | yes, that is a nice way of putting it | Jul 01 18:49 |
| gde33|2 | it is fully based on experience you see? | Jul 01 18:49 |
| msb__ | yes | Jul 01 18:50 |
| gde33|2 | if there is lots of danger you start seeing danger everywhere | Jul 01 18:50 |
| msb__ | The only way to guarantee that no psychopaths can ever get power would be to genetically modify humans so that strategy never arises. | Jul 01 18:51 |
| gde33|2 | I think we are abusing the psychopaths | Jul 01 18:51 |
| gde33|2 | we want them to behave just like us | Jul 01 18:51 |
| gde33|2 | they have to learn to mimic our behavior | Jul 01 18:51 |
| msb__ | But then when the insectoids and reptoids attack us, they will devour us. | Jul 01 18:51 |
| gde33|2 | they have very different priorities from ours | Jul 01 18:52 |
| gde33|2 | we should respect that | Jul 01 18:52 |
| msb__ | I don't respect anyone who harms others. | Jul 01 18:53 |
| gde33|2 | animals harm other animals too, it is just what they do | Jul 01 18:53 |
| msb__ | But the time may come when we'll need the psychopath brain type. | Jul 01 18:53 |
| gde33|2 | their ideology is about them, they might even understand collectivism but it isn't hardwired | Jul 01 18:53 |
| msb__ | If we are attacked by a species worse than ours, and with better technology. | Jul 01 18:54 |
| gde33|2 | if social humans fail to make society work being an egoist is the best choice | Jul 01 18:54 |
| gde33|2 | if the social humans refuse to deal with the egocentric problem they are on their way out | Jul 01 18:55 |
| gde33|2 | it is equal to giving up | Jul 01 18:55 |
| gde33|2 | evolution will murder them until non are left | Jul 01 18:55 |
| msb__ | Psychopathy and empathy are both natural results of evolution. | Jul 01 18:58 |
| msb__ | ...which is based on individual success. | Jul 01 18:58 |
| msb__ | But psychopathy prevents species success. | Jul 01 18:58 |
| msb__ | Maybe most intelligent species succumb to it. | Jul 01 19:00 |
| msb__ | That's why the sky isn't full of saucers. | Jul 01 19:00 |
| msb__ | The Fermi Paradox | Jul 01 19:00 |
| gde33|2 | they are alone and we are legion | Jul 01 19:00 |
| gde33|2 | some joke | Jul 01 19:00 |
| msb__ | I don't understand. | Jul 01 19:01 |
| gde33|2 | that we are so much stronger together | Jul 01 19:02 |
| gde33|2 | the sky is the limit if we all work together | Jul 01 19:02 |
| gde33|2 | then one guy comes along and tells you that he will be taking everything from us | Jul 01 19:02 |
| gde33|2 | and many of us go ohhh to bad we cant do anything! | Jul 01 19:03 |
| msb__ | Those multiple clicking sounds are gun owners cocking their weapons. | Jul 01 19:04 |
| gde33|2 | we could change the game in a thousand ways, each will require simple effort | Jul 01 19:05 |
| gde33|2 | very little effort | Jul 01 19:05 |
| gde33|2 | for many the effort required is limited to not overshout a good thing with loser talk | Jul 01 19:05 |
| gde33|2 | if only all the born losers could shut up for a while, we could take over in a heartbeat | Jul 01 19:06 |
| msb__ | "losers" are mostly made, not born. Cultural programming. Sit-down-and-shut-up education. | Jul 01 19:09 |
| gde33|2 | yeah | Jul 01 19:09 |
| gde33|2 | all we need is escape velocity | Jul 01 19:09 |
| msb__ | Maybe start in regions and spread. Like Mondragon. | Jul 01 19:10 |
| gde33|2 | that looks like an interesting story | Jul 01 19:12 |
| msb__ | Socialism without dictators. | Jul 01 19:13 |
| XRevan86 | Free software has many dictators too :). That's funny how many analogies can be found. | Jul 01 19:14 |
| XRevan86 | between real politics and software | Jul 01 19:14 |
| msb__ | But in software they can't really dictate. | Jul 01 19:15 |
| msb__ | People are already using alpha Devuan successfully. | Jul 01 19:16 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: Lack of actual territory makes it real easy to fork software. | Jul 01 19:16 |
| msb__ | Yes! | Jul 01 19:16 |
| msb__ | Also that replication is free. | Jul 01 19:16 |
| XRevan86 | There is an analog of territory: userbase, but that's a fady one. | Jul 01 19:16 |
| XRevan86 | LibreOffice didn't have to start a bloody war to get part of OpenOffice "territory" :). | Jul 01 19:17 |
| MinceR | free software is not socialism | Jul 01 19:17 |
| msb__ | he userbase is big enough to support adequate competent administration | Jul 01 19:18 |
| msb__ | The userbase only has to be big enough to support adequate competent administration | Jul 01 19:19 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Okay, it's either libertarianism ("permissive") or communism :). | Jul 01 19:19 |
| XRevan86 | (GPL) | Jul 01 19:19 |
| MinceR | GPL is very much not communism | Jul 01 19:19 |
| MinceR | it relies on the idea of owning copyright | Jul 01 19:19 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Hmm, that is true. Then it's socialism after all. | Jul 01 19:20 |
| msb__ | That's only needed to protect it against predatory capitalism. | Jul 01 19:21 |
| XRevan86 | communism wouldn't need hacks like that | Jul 01 19:21 |
| MinceR | it's also not socialism | Jul 01 19:21 |
| msb__ | It is from each (voluntarily) according to his ability, to each according to his need. | Jul 01 19:21 |
| MinceR | also, it doesn't involve who owns means of production either | Jul 01 19:21 |
| msb__ | The means of production -- toolchains -- is also free software. So everybody can own it. | Jul 01 19:23 |
| gde33|2 | people just randomly write bits of code then, as if by magic, a working application appears | Jul 01 19:24 |
| gde33|2 | well.... kinda... | Jul 01 19:24 |
| MinceR | the hardware is more of a means of productions | Jul 01 19:24 |
| MinceR | software can be copied practically at no cost | Jul 01 19:25 |
| XRevan86 | Can a right to commit be a mean of production in free software? | Jul 01 19:25 |
| MinceR | i don't think so | Jul 01 19:26 |
| MinceR | that's an administrative privilege | Jul 01 19:26 |
| MinceR | denied that, you can still commit into your own repo/fork | Jul 01 19:26 |
| msb__ | Exactly | Jul 01 19:26 |
| msb__ | I think free software has capitalists worried, and not just microsoft. | Jul 01 19:28 |
| MinceR | it seems the capitalists have responded | Jul 01 19:28 |
| MinceR | so we got uefi, intel boot guard and systemd. | Jul 01 19:28 |
| msb__ | and kde4 | Jul 01 19:29 |
| MinceR | and gnome3, and kde5 | Jul 01 19:29 |
| XRevan86 | KDE is totally uncommercial. | Jul 01 19:30 |
| MinceR | kde5 will introduce a dependency on systemd. | Jul 01 19:30 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: Even if they broke things you like, it's still uncommercial. | Jul 01 19:30 |
| msb__ | but Trinity is a successful fork of kde3 | Jul 01 19:31 |
| msb__ | and has promised never to use systemd | Jul 01 19:32 |
| msb__ | kde4 broke virtual desktops, and activities don't seem to be as convenient | Jul 01 19:33 |
| MinceR | it broke plenty of things in the pursuit of bling | Jul 01 19:33 |
| msb__ | yep, about 140 different bling adjustments, IIRC | Jul 01 19:34 |
| msb__ | Probably more now. | Jul 01 19:35 |
| msb__ | Amazing what people will fall for if it's called "improvement". | Jul 01 19:36 |
| msb__ | If it ain't broke, don't fix it! | Jul 01 19:36 |
| MinceR | i'm all for improvements | Jul 01 19:37 |
| MinceR | but a more monolithic design is not an improvement | Jul 01 19:37 |
| MinceR | neither is the panel randomly forgetting its settings. | Jul 01 19:37 |
| msb__ | kde4 does that? | Jul 01 19:38 |
| MinceR | yup | Jul 01 19:38 |
| MinceR | at least for me | Jul 01 19:38 |
| XRevan86 | I didn't get that when I was using KDE 4 | Jul 01 19:38 |
| MinceR | did, until i got rid of it | Jul 01 19:38 |
| msb__ | amazing! | Jul 01 19:38 |
| msb__ | Multiple virtual desktops used to be considered one of the most important advantages of Linux. They make uncluttered working on multiple projects so much easier. But when kde4 came along people forgot about them. | Jul 01 19:43 |
| gde33|2 | tabbed browsing | Jul 01 19:43 |
| msb__ | kde4 sabotaged that augmentation of the human mind. That's why I think it was intentional. | Jul 01 19:44 |
| msb__ | I'm sure ASUS will always make good AMD mobos with UEFI that can be turned off. | Jul 01 19:45 |
| msb__ | There are many tens of millions of Linux users. | Jul 01 19:46 |
| msb__ | If not, I'll ask MinceR to smuggle me something from Hungary. | Jul 01 19:48 |
| MinceR | i don't think hungary will be a good place for getting general-purpose computers | Jul 01 19:49 |
| msb__ | Or North Korea could always use the cash. | Jul 01 19:49 |
| MinceR | north korea doesn't have the technology | Jul 01 19:49 |
| MinceR | and they don't care for cash | Jul 01 19:50 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Well, they do. | Jul 01 19:50 |
| msb__ | Not for wafer-fab, but I'll bet they can do multilayer PCBs. | Jul 01 19:50 |
| msb__ | At worst, asus will make a mobo where you can turn off uefi by cutting a trace with an exacto knife. ms won't be able to complain. | Jul 01 19:53 |
| MinceR | why asus? | Jul 01 19:53 |
| msb__ | They make great mobos. I've always used them. | Jul 01 19:54 |
| MinceR | also, i'm more concerned with laptops | Jul 01 19:54 |
| MinceR | i tend to use laptops | Jul 01 19:54 |
| MinceR | then again, maybe we can stick something like an intel nuc board in something like a Pi-Top ( http://www.pi-top.com/ ) and get a powerful enough laptop | Jul 01 19:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pi-top.com | pi-top | Jul 01 19:55 | |
| MinceR | maybe the design could even be adapted to fit a mechanical keyboard | Jul 01 19:55 |
| msb__ | nuc-board? | Jul 01 19:55 |
| msb__ | Does it have a little reactor? | Jul 01 19:56 |
| MinceR | no | Jul 01 19:57 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Unit_of_Computing | Jul 01 19:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Next Unit of Computing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/mz5sc ] | Jul 01 19:57 | |
| MinceR | though i guess a little reactor could help with the battery life issues | Jul 01 19:57 |
| msb__ | What does a Pi-Top cost? | Jul 01 20:02 |
| MinceR | $299.99 | Jul 01 20:02 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if that includes the raspberry pi | Jul 01 20:03 |
| msb__ | and the keyboard is what? capacitive with no tactile feedback? | Jul 01 20:03 |
| MinceR | seems like it comes with a pi2 and a microsd card with additional sw | Jul 01 20:04 |
| MinceR | looks like an ordinary scissors+rubberdome+membrane thing | Jul 01 20:04 |
| MinceR | not my thing | Jul 01 20:04 |
| MinceR | then again, it's difficult to fit cherry mx switches into current laptop form factors | Jul 01 20:04 |
| MinceR | there's like 1 laptop i'm aware of that comes with them, and it's an enormous beast | Jul 01 20:05 |
| msb__ | scissors? | Jul 01 20:05 |
| MinceR | the usual thing on laptops | Jul 01 20:05 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_technology#Scissor-switch_keyboard | Jul 01 20:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Keyboard technology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/mz5uf ] | Jul 01 20:05 | |
| MinceR | http://www.pi-top.com/components/rpi_2 | Jul 01 20:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pi-top.com | pi-top | Jul 01 20:06 | |
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| msb__ | How come in these Canadian TV shows -- Lost Girl, (Jessica) King -- the good guys are always drinking booze? | Jul 02 01:26 |
| msb__ | 3 shots of Toronto's CN Tower in the first 5 minutes | Jul 02 01:31 |
| msb__ | 4 in 10 | Jul 02 01:37 |
| msb__ | 5 in 16 | Jul 02 01:44 |
| msb__ | 6, 7 in 22 | Jul 02 01:53 |
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| msb__ | 8 in 25, 9 in 39, | Jul 02 02:27 |
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| MinceR | msb__: i'm guessing ethanol took over tobacco's role as the cool drug | Jul 02 09:25 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/616522891895640064 | Jul 02 10:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: NHS IT failures mount as GP data system declared unfit for purpose @ruskin147 @schestowitz http://t.co/AizL6ZgB8S | Jul 02 10:06 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> m.theregister.co.uk | NHS IT failures mount as GP data system declared unfit for purpose • The Register | Jul 02 10:06 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/616537342694703104 | Jul 02 10:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: .@schestowitz #Debian #Stretch/#Sid's #Iceweasel build (@firefox) 39.0 is working fine here ;-) http://t.co/ohE9yASQwF | Jul 02 10:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines France: ‘tax source code will be made public’ | Jul 02 10:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/92sTgqApBt (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 02 10:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | France: ‘tax source code will be made public’ | Tux Machines | Jul 02 10:33 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tanglu 3 RC1 Has systemd 221, Linux Kernel 4.0, | Jul 02 10:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | KDE Plasma 5.3 and GNOME 3.16 | Jul 02 10:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tanglu 3 RC1 Has systemd 221, Linux Kernel 4.0, KDE Plasma 5.3 and GNOME 3.16 | Tux Machines | Jul 02 10:33 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/616539863383449600 | Jul 02 10:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Welcome to Aarhus. Registration for the LibreOffice Conference is now open @ruskin147 @schestowitz http://t.co/2F7jLS7bbw | Jul 02 10:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> conference.libreoffice.org | About Aarhus » LibreOffice Conference | Jul 02 10:36 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/616541834756501504 | Jul 02 10:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: It's probably time that you considered @CloudSigma's cool #cloud and/or @googlecloud (#GCE)—and bid a #FuckYouAmazon https://t.co/KwbaOZM3ot | Jul 02 10:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Amazon Says I Need to Sue in Order to Merely Find Out Who Uses Their Own Facilities (AWS) to Attack My Site http://t.co/OBGlYbJTMM #aws | Jul 02 10:41 | |
| r_schestowitz | Aha, I'm not touch 'cloud' nonsense. People should control their own servers. | Jul 02 10:42 |
| r_schestowitz | Aha, I'm not touching 'cloud' nonsense. People should control their own servers. | Jul 02 10:42 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/616545824089083904 | Jul 02 10:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: .@schestowitz @CloudSigma @googlecloud well, you can locally make your own imgs, encrypt'em…& subsequently upload ;-) http://t.co/CiOVH6pViM | Jul 02 10:58 | |
| r_schestowitz | That would beat the purpose of it all | Jul 02 10:58 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/616551114406785024 | Jul 02 11:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz I'm torn. Mint? Another Ubuntu variant? Finally learn Arch? It's a tough decision. | Jul 02 11:18 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Vecchi_Paolo/status/616556124712628224 https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/616556957915328512 | Jul 02 11:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Vecchi_Paolo: @schestowitz They need to look busy on something else not to talk about #Office365 #fail as it may hurt ads revenue http://t.co/0yEOjyU4o2 | Jul 02 11:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.computerweekly.com | Microsoft in the dark after Parliamentary email disrupted for three days | Jul 02 11:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz And it sounds like code dumping, which isn't the same as participation. Without community, code is dead. | Jul 02 11:40 | |
| r_schestowitz | marketing | Jul 02 11:40 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/616557670196203520 | Jul 02 11:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz Which is disappointing. Their platform is such a wonderful place to deploy open source. | Jul 02 11:44 | |
| r_schestowitz | and to state DDOS attacks http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2015/07/02/aws-ddos-and-stonewalling/ removing liability http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2015/06/28/aws-ddos/ | Jul 02 11:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Amazon Says I Need to Sue in Order to Merely Find Out Who Uses Their Own Facilities (AWS) to Attack My Site [ http://ur1.ca/mzb2e ] | Jul 02 11:45 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Amazon AWS Used for DDOS Attacks Against My Web Sites, Amazon Takes 14 Hours to Reply But Not Take Action (Updatedx5) [ http://ur1.ca/mzb2g ] | Jul 02 11:45 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/616558133482233856 | Jul 02 11:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz Makulu constructor is an excellent idea. A great way to pre setup an distro for a family member. | Jul 02 11:46 | |
| r_schestowitz | If only they got their English right. I think the French devs write their announcements. | Jul 02 11:46 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/616558932694278144 | Jul 02 11:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz Much like open source, AWS can be used for good or evil. I've had my problems with Amazon's foolish rigidity, too. | Jul 02 11:50 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ShaneHudson/status/616559296676003841 | Jul 02 11:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ShaneHudson: @schestowitz @kstallett didn't Microsoft announce an official Linux distro? | Jul 02 11:50 | |
| r_schestowitz | No, rumour, unless you mean SUSE | Jul 02 11:50 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ShaneHudson/status/616559907811258368 | Jul 02 11:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ShaneHudson: @schestowitz @kstallett Ah yes it was an april fool, silly me | Jul 02 11:52 | |
| r_schestowitz | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/06/30/0058243/interviews-linus-torvalds-answers-your-question | Jul 02 11:55 |
| r_schestowitz | 2nd question, he disappoints. Then again he does go to great lengths to | Jul 02 11:55 |
| r_schestowitz | stay away from use space. | Jul 02 11:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.slashdot.org | Interviews: Linus Torvalds Answers Your Question - Slashdot | Jul 02 11:55 | |
| oiaohm | Really the linus repsonse to the init system should have been expected. Sysvinit is broken design that had to be replaced. Linus does not in fact demard a particular init system. | Jul 02 12:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Web Apps Push Notifications Are | Jul 02 12:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch Web Apps Push Notifications Are Coming Soon, Here's a Demo Video | Tux Machines | Jul 02 12:50 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Interviews: Linus Torvalds Answers Your Question | Tux Machines | Jul 02 12:50 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Motorwayviewer/status/616585936227430400 | Jul 02 13:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Motorwayviewer: @schestowitz not sure why people would continue going here #unsafe | Jul 02 13:41 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Motorwayviewer/status/616585936227430400 | Jul 02 13:41 |
| r_schestowitz | oiaohm: do you like systemd? | Jul 02 13:41 |
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| r_schestowitz | (not a trick queston) | Jul 02 13:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | EU court to decide on PC and software bundling | Tux Machines | Jul 02 13:42 | |
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| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: not exactly like systemd. Don't absolutely hate it. | Jul 02 14:04 |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: basically issues I had with sysvinit I don't have with systemd. | Jul 02 14:05 |
| oiaohm | But systemd is not without is problems. | Jul 02 14:05 |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: really I wish openrc was more complete | Jul 02 14:05 |
| cubexyz | systemd is anti-unix | Jul 02 14:05 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I would not say that. | Jul 02 14:06 |
| cubexyz | sure it is | Jul 02 14:06 |
| oiaohm | No it really not. | Jul 02 14:06 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/unix-philosophy.txt | Jul 02 14:06 |
| oiaohm | systemd is modular. Made up of stack of individual programs glued under 1 porject. | Jul 02 14:06 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: systemd is like coreutils from gnu. | Jul 02 14:07 |
| oiaohm | So yes systemd does follow the idea of Unux as much as gnu coreutils do. | Jul 02 14:07 |
| oiaohm | How much is bound into one project is a worry | Jul 02 14:08 |
| cubexyz | binary log files? really? | Jul 02 14:08 |
| cubexyz | that's not unix | Jul 02 14:08 |
| oiaohm | journald uses either binary log files or syslog | Jul 02 14:09 |
| oiaohm | Also binary log files has been done by closed source unix. | Jul 02 14:09 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/616592408063553536 | Jul 02 14:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> translate.google.com | Google Translate | Jul 02 14:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: #FOSS hacker found dead 2002 aided #Venezuela state oil IT 2offset #USA-backed coup vs #Chavez http://t.co/WXShfnY0H6 http://t.co/ehLTK0p1L7 | Jul 02 14:10 | |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: systemd is over 100 indivudal programs. | Jul 02 14:12 |
| cubexyz | and I'm not sure why you compare coreutils to systemd | Jul 02 14:13 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: and each one of those programs is todo 1 particular task well. So yes systemd is very much unix philosophy when you look under the hood. | Jul 02 14:13 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit was make one program a shell do everything. | Jul 02 14:14 |
| oiaohm | If something was not unix philosophy it sysvinit. | Jul 02 14:14 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: systemd is a bundle of a stack of untils that could in fact be broken up very much in the same way coreutils is. | Jul 02 14:16 |
| oiaohm | Like running systemd without journald does in fact work. | Jul 02 14:16 |
| cubexyz | we should at least have the option of not using systemd | Jul 02 14:20 |
| oiaohm | Debian has not ruled out using openrc in future when it matures. | Jul 02 14:21 |
| cubexyz | init used to be a small C program | Jul 02 14:21 |
| cubexyz | it was only about 400 lines long in the systemIII era | Jul 02 14:21 |
| cubexyz | it wasn't some huge monolithic thing | Jul 02 14:21 |
| oiaohm | But kernels back then were also less complex. | Jul 02 14:21 |
| oiaohm | Also behaved different to a Linux kernel. | Jul 02 14:22 |
| cubexyz | a lot of folks left Fedora after 15 | Jul 02 14:22 |
| cubexyz | I never asked for systemd | Jul 02 14:23 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/616596541642567680 | Jul 02 14:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz Would it be worth letting CloudFlare worry about the problem? | Jul 02 14:23 | |
| r_schestowitz | No, #cloudflare is even worse than #amazon #aws for numerous reasons I covered before. | Jul 02 14:23 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz its double sided yes you never asked for systemd but you never worried about the fact that sysvinit was based on design ideas that do not apply to the Linux kernel. sysvinit is based on PID as means to track services. This does not apply to a Linux kernel. | Jul 02 14:26 |
| oiaohm | The fact sysvinit was a complete miss fit to Linux kernel design means there is no choice to replace it at some poing. | Jul 02 14:27 |
| oiaohm | poing/point | Jul 02 14:27 |
| oiaohm | Why was sysvinit such a miss fit. Stupid idea that init systems had to be cross platform with no exact consideration if they in fact could possibly work correctly. | Jul 02 14:27 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: you have to remember Ubuntu went upstart. Upstart become a failure because the listerned to the anti-cgroup without in fact choosing on techical merit. | Jul 02 14:29 |
| oiaohm | Working init system on Linux kernel has no option without custom patching the Linux kernel but to use cgroups. | Jul 02 14:29 |
| oiaohm | Debian has tried over 20 different init systems looking for a replacement to sysvinit before the recent change to systemd. | Jul 02 14:30 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: basically you have had head in sand not to be aware distrobutions were looking for a replacement. | Jul 02 14:30 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/616599039010865152 | Jul 02 14:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz I'll have to check your booking to see what you've written. | Jul 02 14:31 | |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: by the way Fedora change to upstart as of fedora 9 then to systemd as of fedora 15. Yet you are not calling for upstart to be maintianed or fixed. | Jul 02 14:38 |
| oiaohm | Lots of people calling for sysvinit back were not infact using sysvinit | Jul 02 14:38 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, I'm running sysvinit on Fedora 14 on one box | Jul 02 14:39 |
| cubexyz | it's the default | Jul 02 14:39 |
| cubexyz | there's no upstart on it | Jul 02 14:39 |
| cubexyz | maybe it's an option, I don't know | Jul 02 14:39 |
| oiaohm | Fedora 14 by default install was upstart | Jul 02 14:43 |
| oiaohm | Maybe you had upgraded threw from Fedora 8 | Jul 02 14:43 |
| cubexyz | damn, it looks just sysvinit though | Jul 02 14:46 |
| cubexyz | I expected to see /sbin/upstart | Jul 02 14:47 |
| cubexyz | /sbin/service --status-all (same) | Jul 02 14:47 |
| oiaohm | The reason why you don't have the lost service issue is the ptrace tracking of serices upstart uses that some services hate. | Jul 02 14:48 |
| cubexyz | /sbin/service cups status (same) | Jul 02 14:48 |
| cubexyz | it looks so much the same | Jul 02 14:49 |
| oiaohm | upstart and openrc look very sysvinit ish. | Jul 02 14:49 |
| cubexyz | ok, I missed that. Thanks for pointing that out | Jul 02 14:49 |
| oiaohm | But they don't behave like sysvinit | Jul 02 14:49 |
| oiaohm | so you want something like openrc/upstart not sysvinit. | Jul 02 14:50 |
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| cubexyz | I think I could live with that | Jul 02 14:50 |
| cubexyz | if they work with the same commands that's a bonus | Jul 02 14:51 |
| oiaohm | not only live with also using a init system that is in fact compadilbe with the kernel. | Jul 02 14:51 |
| oiaohm | Basically upstart upgrade to use cgroups or openrc would be valid options. | Jul 02 14:51 |
| cubexyz | I assume runlevels are the same then? | Jul 02 14:52 |
| cubexyz | why did Fedora switch from upstart to systemd? | Jul 02 14:53 |
| oiaohm | upstart uses ptrace in the Linux kernel to track services to make sure it can kill them. | Jul 02 14:54 |
| oiaohm | This upsets closed source services with anti-debugging. | Jul 02 14:54 |
| oiaohm | Yes running ptrace on a service looks like you are running debugging on it. | Jul 02 14:54 |
| cubexyz | closed source services such as...? | Jul 02 14:55 |
| oiaohm | orcale database | Jul 02 14:55 |
| oiaohm | And a few others bug orcale database is a fairly major issue when it will not run. | Jul 02 14:55 |
| oiaohm | Orcale database has no problem being tracked by cgroups. | Jul 02 14:56 |
| oiaohm | openrc supports bsd or sysv based init configuration. One extra is the conf.d directory for containing cgroups limitations and the like to apply to services. | Jul 02 14:57 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: there are a few closed source game servers that run on Linux as well that will not tollerate being ptraced | Jul 02 14:58 |
| cubexyz | I can still do: "/sbin/chkconfig --list" | Jul 02 14:59 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: with openrc in sysv configuration yes. | Jul 02 15:01 |
| cubexyz | chkconfig was a Berkeley thing I think | Jul 02 15:01 |
| oiaohm | Of course openrc in a bsd confgiuration its not going to work. | Jul 02 15:01 |
| oiaohm | No chkconfig is a reimplementation of a IRIX feature by Redhat developers. | Jul 02 15:02 |
| oiaohm | chkconfig is a sysvinit kind of thing because redhat built it that way. | Jul 02 15:02 |
| oiaohm | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/chkconfig-on-freebsd-to-start-services-automatically-initial-boot-time/ | Jul 02 15:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cyberciti.biz | chkconfig on FreeBSD To Start Services Automatically At Initial Boot Time [ http://ur1.ca/mzdko ] | Jul 02 15:03 | |
| oiaohm | Basically its one of the supprises for those who start running BSD is the fact chkconfig disapepars cubexyz | Jul 02 15:03 |
| oiaohm | The best sysvinit like init system that is still actively maintained is openrc | Jul 02 15:06 |
| cubexyz | let me check pdp-11 sysv | Jul 02 15:07 |
| cubexyz | the FC1 man page mentions the 4th Berkeley Distribution for chkconfig | Jul 02 15:08 |
| cubexyz | it's in IRIX | Jul 02 15:09 |
| cubexyz | Linux | Jul 02 15:10 |
| cubexyz | ugh, confusing | Jul 02 15:11 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: its more confusing than you can dream | Jul 02 15:12 |
| oiaohm | 4.3 berkeley distribution is where what we call modern day BSD init starts. | Jul 02 15:13 |
| oiaohm | Before that it was a lot closer to sysvinit. | Jul 02 15:13 |
| oiaohm | chkconfig idea is first implemtend in IRIX appears in some of the early BSD before disappearing. | Jul 02 15:15 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: yes reading Linux man files can lead you into hell thinking command exist on BSD that have not been there for over 20+ years. | Jul 02 15:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu MATE Project Donates Money to Geany, Transmission, and MATE Devs | Tux Machines | Jul 02 15:39 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Intel Compute Stick with Ubuntu Goes on Sale, | Jul 02 16:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Lower Specs than Windows Version | Jul 02 16:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Zc73ojb0aU (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 02 16:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Intel Compute Stick with Ubuntu Goes on Sale, Lower Specs than Windows Version | Tux Machines | Jul 02 16:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mageia 5 Linux Distro Offers New Tools, | Jul 02 16:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Improved Stability http://t.co/XflV708e7k | Jul 02 16:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 02 16:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mageia 5 Linux Distro Offers New Tools, Improved Stability | Tux Machines | Jul 02 16:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/mzehw | Jul 02 16:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines DigiKam 4.11.0 Released With Bug Fixes, | Jul 02 16:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Install/Update In Ubuntu 15.04/Linux Mint | Jul 02 16:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | "Refaela" Or Other Darivatives | Jul 02 16:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/HjKNBaCAcG (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 02 16:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/mzehx | Jul 02 16:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | DigiKam 4.11.0 Released With Bug Fixes, Install/Update In Ubuntu 15.04/Linux Mint "Refaela" Or Other Darivatives | Tux Machines | Jul 02 16:42 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6296180 | Jul 02 16:46 |
| r_schestowitz | "you had a 3840 x 2160 or even 4096 x 2160 CRT? don’t believe you!" | Jul 02 16:47 |
| r_schestowitz | Dual head CRT until 2007. | Jul 02 16:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Stumbling into the world of 4K displays [UPDATED] https://major.io/2015/06/30/stumbling-into-the-world-of-4k-displays/ … CRTs were affordable, worked well at this res | Jul 02 16:47 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> major.io | Stumbling into the world of 4K displays [UPDATED] - major.io [ http://ur1.ca/mzejl ] | Jul 02 16:47 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6291618 | Jul 02 16:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: They ‘R’ Coming: More #Microsoft Money for the @LinuxFoundation http://techrights.org/2015/07/01/the-r-consortium/ | Jul 02 16:49 | |
| r_schestowitz | "Linux foundation always was a trojan horse. uefi etc." | Jul 02 16:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | They ‘R’ Coming: More Microsoft Money for the Linux Foundation | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/mz67i ] | Jul 02 16:49 | |
| r_schestowitz | intel pays for complicity. And Red Hat... well... ahem, systemd | Jul 02 16:49 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6292231 | Jul 02 16:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: UK Heatwave: Temperatures on the tube are going to exceed the legal limit for transporting cattle http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-heatwave-temperatures-on-the-tube-are-going-to-exceed-the-legal-limit-for-transporting-cattle-10356439.html #uk #london | Jul 02 16:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.independent.co.uk | UK Heatwave: Temperatures on the tube are going to exceed the legal limit for transporting cattle - Home News - UK - The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/mzekb ] | Jul 02 16:49 | |
| r_schestowitz | "Tube, cattle transport, are more or less the same." | Jul 02 16:50 |
| r_schestowitz | "lol" | Jul 02 16:50 |
| r_schestowitz | Cattle have more freedom from 9-5 | Jul 02 16:50 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6286867 | Jul 02 17:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://twitter.com/quinnnorton/status/615594133445591040 | Jul 02 17:17 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@quinnnorton: While you were all celebrating and getting gay married, SCOTUS upheld the death penalty and struck down mercury pollution regs. | Jul 02 17:17 | |
| r_schestowitz | "Good on the IDs part. Not so good on the capital punishment and mercury things." | Jul 02 17:17 |
| r_schestowitz | "Also struck down ID’s for voting." | Jul 02 17:17 |
| r_schestowitz | > You wrote: Facebook does absolutely nothing for a person's life. It does nothing for traffic, either. A huge waste of one's time and erosion of privacy. | Jul 02 17:46 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jul 02 17:46 |
| r_schestowitz | > Me: A rhetorical question... | Jul 02 17:46 |
| r_schestowitz | > How could Facebook have become so successful? It boggles the mind. | Jul 02 17:46 |
| r_schestowitz | Good for advertisers. Mining minds, pushing them some customised brainwash. | Jul 02 17:46 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ml2mst/status/616639420792471552 | Jul 02 17:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ml2mst: I wanted to reserve my 10K tweet for @schestowitz who is the reason I started Tweeting. Thank you for all your great work Roy! | Jul 02 17:46 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/616610026707415040 | Jul 02 17:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: What We Call Security Isn’t Really Security http://t.co/rSj6YBL3Bd "security industry can’t agree on a definition of security." | Jul 02 17:55 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> darkmatters.norsecorp.com | What We Call Security Isn't Really Security - Darkmatters | Jul 02 17:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE hardware partnership with | Jul 02 17:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | LibreTrend https://t.co/51ffOUL2I0 | Jul 02 17:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/ubuntu-mate-hardware-partnership-with-libretrend/ ) | Jul 02 17:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (ubuntu-mate.org) | Jul 02 17:56 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE Project Donates Money to Geany, | Jul 02 17:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Transmission, and MATE Devs | Jul 02 17:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/U6bFNaaa21 (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 02 17:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu MATE Project Donates Money to Geany, Transmission, and MATE Devs - Softpedia | Jul 02 17:56 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Intel Compute Stick with Ubuntu Goes on Sale, | Jul 02 18:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Lower Specs than Windows Version | Jul 02 18:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/ll0OMgtiyb (news.softpedia.com) | Jul 02 18:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Intel Compute Stick with Ubuntu Goes on Sale, Lower Specs than Windows Version - Softpedia | Jul 02 18:14 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Terraria 1.3 Release Coming Later This Month | Jul 02 18:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | With Many Improvements http://t.co/kHJE2suY6h | Jul 02 18:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Jul 02 18:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Terraria 1.3 Release Coming Later This Month With Many Improvements - Phoronix | Jul 02 18:14 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines ZFS On Linux 0.6.4.2 Brings Linux 4.1 Support, | Jul 02 18:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Fixes http://t.co/xNDRyI1Kvd (www.phoronix.com) | Jul 02 18:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | ZFS On Linux 0.6.4.2 Brings Linux 4.1 Support, Fixes - Phoronix | Jul 02 18:14 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora For MIPS Is Now Out In Testing, Supports | Jul 02 18:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | The Creator CI20 http://t.co/xVz0G1lRGR | Jul 02 18:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Jul 02 18:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Fedora For MIPS Is Now Out In Testing, Supports The Creator CI20 - Phoronix | Jul 02 18:46 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 6-Way File-System Comparison On The Linux 4.1 | Jul 02 18:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Kernel http://t.co/UHU8MjNh2i | Jul 02 18:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 02 18:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 6-Way File-System Comparison On The Linux 4.1 Kernel | Tux Machines | Jul 02 18:46 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/6dEiYZWGju | Jul 02 18:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 02 18:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Jul 02 18:46 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/aZUX68JCgn | Jul 02 18:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 02 18:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Jul 02 18:46 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/I0bSAWSHsN | Jul 02 19:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Jul 02 19:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/7I1chYDwEr | Jul 02 19:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 02 19:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 02 19:59 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 2/7/2015: KDE Plasma 5.3.2, antiX 15 | Jul 02 19:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Ax9301on48 (techrights.org) | Jul 02 19:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 2/7/2015: KDE Plasma 5.3.2, antiX 15 | Techrights | Jul 02 19:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Microsoft Gradually Embraces, Extends, | Jul 02 21:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Extinguishes Linux Foundation as a Foundation | Jul 02 21:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of GNU/Linux http://t.co/x4YIcGcAwM | Jul 02 21:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Gradually Embraces, Extends, Extinguishes Linux Foundation as a Foundation of GNU/Linux | Techrights | Jul 02 21:10 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @mccourt_360 favourited 'Microsoft Gradually Embraces, Extends, Extinguishes Linux Foundation as...' | Jul 02 21:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/Y67SucsSkQ | Jul 02 21:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jul 02 21:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Exclusive interview with Hans de Raad | Jul 02 21:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/y80qusowac (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 02 21:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/mzhds | Jul 02 21:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Exclusive interview with Hans de Raad | Tux Machines | Jul 02 21:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 7 stories that make you feel good about open | Jul 02 21:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | source in 2015 (so far) http://t.co/0eGVyHc99G | Jul 02 21:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 02 21:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 7 stories that make you feel good about open source in 2015 (so far) | Tux Machines | Jul 02 21:29 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Kodi 15.0 Release Candidate 1 Arrives | Jul 02 21:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kodi 15.0 Release Candidate 1 Arrives | Tux Machines | Jul 02 21:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel Gets a Patch for Dell Airplane | Jul 02 21:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mode Switch http://t.co/2HoVhpUW7G | Jul 02 21:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel Gets a Patch for Dell Airplane Mode Switch | Tux Machines | Jul 02 21:29 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/G0khj1rXec | Jul 02 21:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jul 02 21:29 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BQ Aquaris E5: An Ubuntu Edition Phone that | Jul 02 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | severely disappoints http://t.co/co2IlNFKXR | Jul 02 21:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techrepublic.com | BQ Aquaris E5: An Ubuntu Edition Phone that severely disappoints - TechRepublic | Jul 02 21:33 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora 23: Python 3 Default Approved; Netizen | Jul 02 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Spin Rejected http://t.co/qCqB4uT0tB | Jul 02 21:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Fedora 23: Python 3 Default Approved; Netizen Spin Rejected - Phoronix | Jul 02 21:33 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Learn #OpenStack with @LinuxFoundation | Jul 02 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Instructor Tim Serewicz https://t.co/mRGOyZ8qFd | Jul 02 21:33 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.linux.com) selling training | Jul 02 21:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com | Learn OpenStack with Linux Foundation Instructor Tim Serewicz | Linux.com | Jul 02 21:33 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Free Professional Creation Suite Blender 2.75 | Jul 02 21:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Arrives with AMD GPU Support | Jul 02 21:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Free Professional Creation Suite Blender 2.75 Arrives with AMD GPU Support - Softpedia | Jul 02 21:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Windows Lookalike Q4OS Finally Gets a Live CD | Jul 02 21:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Windows Lookalike Q4OS Finally Gets a Live CD - Softpedia | Jul 02 21:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Next Tizen Smartphone is the Samsung Z3, we now | Jul 02 21:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | have a model number SM-Z300H | Jul 02 21:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/tpNihdrd1B (www.tizenexperts.com) | Jul 02 21:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Next Tizen Smartphone is the Samsung Z3, we now have a model number SM-Z300HTizen Experts | Jul 02 21:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines What You Need to Know About Fedora’s Switch | Jul 02 21:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | From Yum to DNF http://t.co/BvccDGQzV3 | Jul 02 21:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com | What You Need to Know About Fedora’s Switch From Yum to DNF | Linux.com | Jul 02 21:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 6-Way File-System Comparison On The Linux 4.1 | Jul 02 21:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Kernel http://t.co/jqhANKZeOk | Jul 02 21:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | 6-Way File-System Comparison On The Linux 4.1 Kernel - Phoronix | Jul 02 21:42 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Exclusive interview with Hans de Raad | Jul 02 21:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/3eJXmDz2hk (www.linuxveda.com) | Jul 02 21:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxveda.com | Exclusive interview with Hans de Raad - Linux Veda | Jul 02 21:43 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Kodi 15.0 Release Candidate 1 Arrives | Jul 02 21:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Kodi 15.0 Release Candidate 1 Arrives - Phoronix | Jul 02 21:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel Gets a Patch for Dell Airplane | Jul 02 21:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Mode Switch http://t.co/aElC2ZOvuK | Jul 02 21:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel Gets a Patch for Dell Airplane Mode Switch - Softpedia | Jul 02 21:45 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Microsoft Gradually Embraces, Extends, | Jul 02 23:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by Extinguishes Linux Foundation as a Foundation | Jul 02 23:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz of GNU/Linux http://t.co/x4YIcGcAwM | Jul 02 23:02 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/G0khj1rXec | Jul 02 23:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jul 02 23:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Gradually Embraces, Extends, Extinguishes Linux Foundation as a Foundation of GNU/Linux | Techrights | Jul 02 23:02 | |
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| msb__ | Regarding Linus and systemd: The man is not stupid, nor is he unaware of userland. I think he was probably threatened, him and his family, by who/whatever is trying to control/destroy Linux with systemd, kde4/5, and uefi. | Jul 03 04:32 |
| msb__ | Regarding the Venezuelan hacker who was murdered: It would have been easy to steal his bike without killing him. The US regards Venezuela as a major enemy, because it is partly socialist, and thus gives other nations the idea that they could distribute profits to the people instead of to the ultra-wealthy. | Jul 03 04:34 |
| msb__ | The US attempted a coup against the Venezulan government in February 2015. http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Almost-All-Opposition-Leaders-Knew-About-Venezuelan-Coup-Plot-20150215-0006.html | Jul 03 04:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.telesurtv.net | 'Almost All' Opposition Leaders Knew About Venezuelan Coup Plot | News | teleSUR English [ http://ur1.ca/jqs5v ] | Jul 03 04:37 | |
| msb__ | Emails containing that URL were blocked by Comcast -- never sent. | Jul 03 04:37 |
| msb__ | . | Jul 03 04:41 |
| msb__ | http://www.activistpost.com/2015/07/bill-gates-temporary-sterilization.html | Jul 03 04:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.activistpost.com | Activist Post: Bill Gates' Temporary Sterilization Microchip In Beta Female Testing By End of Year [ http://ur1.ca/mzksl ] | Jul 03 04:42 | |
| msb__ | The chip works by releasing a small quantity of sterilizing hormone. It will be used in Third World nations. | Jul 03 04:43 |
| msb__ | Activist Post is pretty reliable. | Jul 03 04:44 |
| msb__ | Being under the skin, and having only a small antenna, the chip could not be activated from a great distance, let alone from a satellite. But a transmitter 20 feet away could probably trigger it. | Jul 03 04:49 |
| cubexyz | I was wrong about AntiX | Jul 03 05:20 |
| cubexyz | it has systemd, even though I thought I removed it | Jul 03 05:20 |
| cubexyz | could be because I've installed it on two machines, but only removed systemd on one of them | Jul 03 05:22 |
| cubexyz | yes, that's what happened | Jul 03 05:23 |
| cubexyz | so I wasn't really wrong I suppose | Jul 03 05:23 |
| cubexyz | kind of neat, it seeems to switch over to init automatically after "apt-get remove systemd" | Jul 03 05:24 |
| cubexyz | but it runs systemd as default, one has to watch out for that | Jul 03 05:26 |
| cubexyz | I was running upstart on Fedora 14 without even realizing it | Jul 03 05:27 |
| cubexyz | it seems it use the same command structure as sysvinit | Jul 03 05:28 |
| cubexyz | if you look at the process status on Fedora 14 it shows "/sbin/init" which looks very similar to sysvinit "init [5]" | Jul 03 05:29 |
| cubexyz | my plan is to learn about all the different init systems | Jul 03 05:34 |
| cubexyz | it's odd, I was using upstart on one laptop since 2011 without knowing I was running Upstart | Jul 03 05:38 |
| cubexyz | I was also running one Fedora 10 box (also had upstart) which had an uptime of 165 days | Jul 03 05:39 |
| cubexyz | but the longest uptimes were on openbsd (bsd init) and my server (sysvinit) | Jul 03 05:40 |
| cubexyz | also I had an uptime of 273 days on Fedora 16 (my sole systemd box) | Jul 03 05:40 |
| cubexyz | but so far I have to say that openbsd was the most reliable | Jul 03 05:41 |
| cubexyz | I don't reboot much so I didn't really notice the faster boot times, or measure it | Jul 03 05:42 |
| r_schestowitz | antiX has a new release | Jul 03 06:07 |
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| cubexyz | I'm still on AntiX 13.2 and I'm happy with it | Jul 03 06:14 |
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| cubexyz | oiaohm, there's no democracy with systemd | Jul 03 07:01 |
| cubexyz | they tried to force it down everyone's throat | Jul 03 07:02 |
| cubexyz | I have to study the situation more, but I think I'm OK with upstart | Jul 03 07:02 |
| cubexyz | /etc/inittab could be different | Jul 03 07:08 |
| cubexyz | Debian _forced_ Ubuntu into systemd, I heard the Canonical folks were quite happy with upstart | Jul 03 07:11 |
| cubexyz | Shuttleworth: "systemd is hugely invasive and hardly justified" | Jul 03 07:13 |
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| cubexyz | as long as upstart didn't change everything like /etc/cron.hourly | Jul 03 07:19 |
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| msb__ | I and everyone else have been using sysvinit for years. Why shouldn't I continue? I might have some unreaped zombies sometime? | Jul 03 08:06 |
| cubexyz | except we haven't all been using sysvinit | Jul 03 08:11 |
| cubexyz | Fedora 9: uses upstart, released in 2008 | Jul 03 08:12 |
| cubexyz | also openbsd uses bsd init | Jul 03 08:12 |
| cubexyz | void linux uses runit | Jul 03 08:12 |
| cubexyz | things have diverged from sysvinit a lot, which I'm starting to clue into | Jul 03 08:13 |
| cubexyz | so far I'm not seeing any defunct processes with upstart or bsd init, and bsd has been up for over a year | Jul 03 08:14 |
| cubexyz | is upstart miles better than sysvinit? I doubt it | Jul 03 08:15 |
| cubexyz | google chrome uses upstart, so it must be decent | Jul 03 08:17 |
| cubexyz | I think openSUSE switched to systemd in 12.1 | Jul 03 08:18 |
| cubexyz | some tablets even run upstart | Jul 03 08:18 |
| cubexyz | if you're comfortable with sysvinit you should be OK with upstart | Jul 03 08:19 |
| cubexyz | it seems to be designed as a work-alike | Jul 03 08:19 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Upstart is just terrible. | Jul 03 08:19 |
| XRevan86 | it's like systemd but ugly | Jul 03 08:19 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: If you're comfortable with Upstart you should be OK with systemd. | Jul 03 08:21 |
| cubexyz | upstart seems very similar to sysvinit | Jul 03 08:23 |
| cubexyz | chkconfig is still there | Jul 03 08:23 |
| cubexyz | service --status-all | Jul 03 08:23 |
| cubexyz | what's ugly about upstart? | Jul 03 08:24 |
| msb__ | What's wrong with having a few zombies? Are they going to eat my brain? | Jul 03 08:24 |
| cubexyz | sudo service cups restart <- also the same as sysvinit | Jul 03 08:25 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: "service --status-all" is there because Ubuntu makes symlinks in /etc/init.d/ to upstart | Jul 03 08:25 |
| cubexyz | it's Fedora 14 actually | Jul 03 08:25 |
| XRevan86 | openSUSE does systemd symlinks like /usr/sbin/rcfoo | Jul 03 08:26 |
| cubexyz | ok, well I'm running traditional sysvinit on some boxes still | Jul 03 08:26 |
| msb__ | ok. MOST people have been using sysvinit with Linux for 14 years or more. What actual problems have they had because of that? | Jul 03 08:26 |
| XRevan86 | > what's ugly about upstart? | Jul 03 08:27 |
| XRevan86 | Upstart jobs | Jul 03 08:27 |
| cubexyz | I've been using sysvinit a lot longer than 14 years, and I honestly can't recall any problems with it | Jul 03 08:27 |
| msb__ | I've occasionally looked at some of the device scripts. I can understand them. No big deal. | Jul 03 08:28 |
| cubexyz | msb__, which init system are you using now? | Jul 03 08:28 |
| XRevan86 | Anyway, this compatibility with service, chkconfig is just compatibility. | Jul 03 08:28 |
| msb__ | I've stopped and started the network occasionally. Easy | Jul 03 08:28 |
| XRevan86 | upstart doesn't need that | Jul 03 08:28 |
| msb__ | sysvinit | Jul 03 08:28 |
| msb__ | several years old version of suse | Jul 03 08:29 |
| cubexyz | are you _sure_ it's sysvinit and not upstart? do a man init to be certain | Jul 03 08:29 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: He's using openSUSE 11.4. | Jul 03 08:29 |
| msb__ | root says init is /sys/bin/init | Jul 03 08:30 |
| msb__ | XRevan86: Thanks. now I'll get hacked. | Jul 03 08:31 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: If you don't have ssh-server then probably not :). | Jul 03 08:32 |
| cubexyz | ok, I think upstart was in openSUSE 11.3 but not as default | Jul 03 08:32 |
| msb__ | I have ssh-agent | Jul 03 08:33 |
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| XRevan86 | msb__: It's a thing for remembering your ssh key. | Jul 03 08:33 |
| XRevan86 | clienty | Jul 03 08:33 |
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| msb__ | I don't even know how that shit works. | Jul 03 08:34 |
| XRevan86 | Old GNU/Linux is somewhat safe when it gives nothing to network (http server, ssh server, MTA, etc.). | Jul 03 08:34 |
| msb__ | no apache | Jul 03 08:35 |
| msb__ | use simple stupid programs for getting and sending mail | Jul 03 08:35 |
| msb__ | If I have zombies I'll kill 'em myself. | Jul 03 08:38 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: Zombies are not easy to kill. | Jul 03 08:38 |
| msb__ | Cut off their heads. That works for almost everything. -- Buffy | Jul 03 08:38 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: What to do with headless zombies? | Jul 03 08:38 |
| msb__ | kill -9 ? | Jul 03 08:38 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: Nope. | Jul 03 08:39 |
| msb__ | as root? | Jul 03 08:39 |
| cubexyz | kill the parent | Jul 03 08:39 |
| msb__ | I thought zombies' parents _are_ dead. | Jul 03 08:40 |
| cubexyz | I don't think defunct processes use any resources? | Jul 03 08:40 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: Zombies do not exist without parents. | Jul 03 08:40 |
| XRevan86 | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1175324 wait, WTF? | Jul 03 08:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.mozilla.org | 1175324 – Version # is not shown in Add-on Manager [ http://ur1.ca/mzmpa ] | Jul 03 08:42 | |
| XRevan86 | One can ask: will you, XRevan86, swallow even this? | Jul 03 08:43 |
| XRevan86 | And I will answer: yes, I will. | Jul 03 08:43 |
| cubexyz | do a pstree and you can see the parents | Jul 03 08:43 |
| msb__ | I've been up for 3 weeks. No zombies. | Jul 03 08:44 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: You have an init that slayes them for you. | Jul 03 08:44 |
| msb__ | Right, sysvinit. | Jul 03 08:45 |
| msb__ | Don't even need Buffy. | Jul 03 08:45 |
| msb__ | or systemd | Jul 03 08:46 |
| msb__ | even though oiaohm says I do | Jul 03 08:46 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: If someone said to you that only systemd is good at slaying zombies, that's probably a lie. | Jul 03 08:47 |
| msb__ | he says sysvinit won't slay _some_ zombies, but I forget which. | Jul 03 08:47 |
| cubexyz | killing the parent should "slay the zombie" | Jul 03 08:49 |
| cubexyz | even on old old old linux :) | Jul 03 08:49 |
| cubexyz | just don't kill init | Jul 03 08:51 |
| cubexyz | so as long as the parent process isn't PPID 1 | Jul 03 08:53 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: So the best way to handle zombie is to not have a defunct init. | Jul 03 08:54 |
| XRevan86 | I'll go now :). | Jul 03 09:06 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: upstart using ptrace and systemd and openrc using cgroup catchs breakaway processes that sysvinit misses. | Jul 03 09:44 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/simransingh/status/616856706044297216 | Jul 03 09:44 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: note these are not zombie processes | Jul 03 09:45 |
| r_schestowitz | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6297129 | Jul 03 09:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Weeks ago I criticised the #gchq connected @Control_Risks for using immature Matrix (movie) as their backdrop. They've just changed it. | Jul 03 09:45 | |
| r_schestowitz | "I suppose they are watching you." | Jul 03 09:45 |
| r_schestowitz | I know they are because insiders told me so | Jul 03 09:45 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: these are where a service has forked something off to process something and they been come unconnected to the PID so sysvinit does not kill them. | Jul 03 09:45 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: and the result is file can remain locked and other things so preventing services from being able to restart. | Jul 03 09:45 |
| oiaohm | msb__: you also need to read this. I did not say systemd was better at killing zombie process. Zombie processes don't consome large amounts of cpu time or possibley crimple the complete system. | Jul 03 09:49 |
| oiaohm | msb__: broken ways processes from services can in fact consume all your ram and cpu time. | Jul 03 09:50 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: I've been using Linux for about 14 years and this has never happened to me. | Jul 03 09:53 |
| msb__ | always used sysvinit and leave computer running all the time | Jul 03 09:54 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: have you ever seen this happen? | Jul 03 09:55 |
| cubexyz | resource exhaustion is always possible | Jul 03 09:55 |
| msb__ | (without purposely making it happen) | Jul 03 09:55 |
| cubexyz | and I can't think of any operating system that's invulnerable to it | Jul 03 09:56 |
| oiaohm | msb__: I have had it happen 8 different times. | Jul 03 09:56 |
| msb__ | What caused it? | Jul 03 09:56 |
| oiaohm | One time was network issue causing postgres replication system to go left. | Jul 03 09:57 |
| oiaohm | So it has spawned a nice lot of processes sysvinit had lost. | Jul 03 09:57 |
| oiaohm | I have had mysql do it another. | Jul 03 09:57 |
| oiaohm | I have had apache do it to me running php websites | Jul 03 09:57 |
| oiaohm | resource exhaustion is always possible true but when it happening knowing what in heck is causing it is extrealy helpful. As well as being absolutely being able to kill the item that has gone out of control. | Jul 03 09:59 |
| oiaohm | msb__: put it this way not one of the 8 times it happened to me has been the same or a case of intentionally setting out to do it. | Jul 03 10:00 |
| msb__ | I run a system monitor that shows cpu and memory usage per process. | Jul 03 10:00 |
| msb__ | The only trouble I get is from having hundreds of tabs open in firefox because I'm too lazy to remove/bookmark them. | Jul 03 10:00 |
| oiaohm | msb__: when it a fork aways gone stupid seeing per process is not that useful. | Jul 03 10:01 |
| oiaohm | Seeing per group that X group is running a lot of short running processes you know it gone nuts. | Jul 03 10:01 |
| msb__ | When it starts using almost the whole cpu it can use up something in X and crash it. So I have to kill ff before that happens, every few days. | Jul 03 10:02 |
| oiaohm | msb__: I have a few servers with a few thousand users hitting them. | Jul 03 10:03 |
| msb__ | when you say group do you mean cgroup? | Jul 03 10:03 |
| msb__ | the monitor also shows total cpu usage graphically, so it's easy to see if something's gone berserk | Jul 03 10:05 |
| oiaohm | Back latter | Jul 03 10:06 |
| msb__ | There was also some semantic analyzer that kde4 ran automatically that used up both cpu cores for hours. I found it and made it nonexecutable. | Jul 03 10:08 |
| msb__ | eventually did the same to kde4 | Jul 03 10:08 |
| cubexyz | I'm using kdm to front-end all my other wm's | Jul 03 10:17 |
| cubexyz | just learned how to add tinywm | Jul 03 10:18 |
| cubexyz | so I' | Jul 03 10:18 |
| cubexyz | so I'm extending KDE :) | Jul 03 10:18 |
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| cubexyz | got to hand it to the guy who wrote tinywm | Jul 03 10:19 |
| cubexyz | he wrote it in 58 lines of C | Jul 03 10:19 |
| oiaohm | msb__: showing total cpu usage does not tell you what server/user is repsonable. | Jul 03 10:25 |
| oiaohm | msb__: fun one was KDE starting mysql in user for indexing and that going wrong. So it looks like mysql service had gone wrong. | Jul 03 10:26 |
| oiaohm | Yep I restarted a mysql service with absolutely no reason. | Jul 03 10:26 |
| oiaohm | msb__: grouping by cgroup/zones or bsd tty make it down right clear where the trouble is coming form. | Jul 03 10:27 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: but programs don't do cgroup/zones by themselves, right? you have to start them that way? | Jul 03 10:31 |
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| oiaohm | msb__: define you have to start them that way. use of tty to split services bsd init does automatically on bsd. Solaris SMF automatically creates and applies zones around services for you. Systemd and openrc also automattically put cgroups around services. | Jul 03 10:41 |
| cubexyz | anyone know how to screenshot the kdm screen? | Jul 03 10:41 |
| msb__ | a camera | Jul 03 10:42 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: Thanks! | Jul 03 10:43 |
| oiaohm | msb__: basically if someone want to keep to sysvinit configuration files and is happy to use openrc I will have absolutely no issue with them. | Jul 03 10:44 |
| oiaohm | At least the system is simple to track down when something is wrong. | Jul 03 10:45 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: So are mysql and postgres services? | Jul 03 10:45 |
| oiaohm | msb__: I have them as services | Jul 03 10:45 |
| cubexyz | if you install mysql-server I think it's set up as a service | Jul 03 10:46 |
| oiaohm | msb__: I also have akonadi under my user running one. | Jul 03 10:46 |
| oiaohm | msb__: so if the service or the kde one goes nuts I really do need to know the difference clearly. | Jul 03 10:46 |
| oiaohm | So kill user or kill service | Jul 03 10:47 |
| msb__ | Are there any disadvantages to using openrc compared to sysvinit? | Jul 03 10:48 |
| oiaohm | Other than that openrc lack maturity | Jul 03 10:48 |
| oiaohm | Nothing. | Jul 03 10:48 |
| oiaohm | openrc support sysvinit and bsd style init files. | Jul 03 10:49 |
| oiaohm | A pure sysvinit system cannot use bsd init files. | Jul 03 10:49 |
| msb__ | so openrc is a drop-in replacement for sysvinit? | Jul 03 10:49 |
| msb__ | how does it lack maturity? | Jul 03 10:50 |
| cubexyz | hasn't been tested for 20+ years :) | Jul 03 10:51 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/616907216591810560 | Jul 03 10:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz How good are you @ Quantum Physics skills Roy? Cause "Scotty", I would like to be beamed to a more humane & intelligent reality | Jul 03 10:52 | |
| r_schestowitz | Convince people to reject bad broadcast | Jul 03 10:53 |
| cubexyz | ok, figured it out: | Jul 03 10:53 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/kdm.png | Jul 03 10:53 |
| cubexyz | those are all the wm's | Jul 03 10:53 |
| cubexyz | you add stuff to /usr/share/config/kdm/Xsetup | Jul 03 10:55 |
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| cubexyz | a possible security violation though :) | Jul 03 10:55 |
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| oiaohm | msb__: cubexyz is right openrc is still very young it has not got to 10 years yet. There are a few issues with using it cgroups to limit stuff without causing disasters. | Jul 03 10:56 |
| oiaohm | msb__: basically the advance functionalty of openrc that is optional is not well enough tested yet. | Jul 03 10:56 |
| oiaohm | msb__: and of course sysvinit did not have any of that functionality. | Jul 03 10:56 |
| cubexyz | don't install skynet-init though | Jul 03 10:58 |
| oiaohm | msb__: also note systemd lacks maturity and it kind of to be expected thinking it is only 5 years old. | Jul 03 10:58 |
| msb__ | systemd is also a takeover plot | Jul 03 10:59 |
| oiaohm | I want to see both openrc and systemd mature. | Jul 03 10:59 |
| cubexyz | systemd could be skynet ver 0.01 | Jul 03 10:59 |
| msb__ | yep | Jul 03 10:59 |
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| oiaohm | Interesting enough both openrc and systemd don't need to run as PID1 by design. | Jul 03 11:00 |
| msb__ | or, what was that older one? COLOSSUS? | Jul 03 11:01 |
| cubexyz | fortunately all the AIs suck | Jul 03 11:01 |
| cubexyz | so far :) | Jul 03 11:01 |
| msb__ | Is there a god? THERE IS NOW! | Jul 03 11:02 |
| cubexyz | I wonder where KDM gets the text data from | Jul 03 11:03 |
| oiaohm | The story of systemd is a sad one. | Jul 03 11:03 |
| oiaohm | The reason why systemd starts is Ubuntu between CLA and anti-cgroup point of view triggers redhat to go off and make their own. | Jul 03 11:04 |
| oiaohm | Also a lot of the projects that systemd project has absorbed had not had anyone other than redhat patch for over 3 years. | Jul 03 11:06 |
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| msb__ | That's the cover story. Another story is that Redhat is mobbed up with the US govt, which is controlled by US corporations, which want to kill Linux for the same reason that the US spent most of the 20th century attacking socialist nations. | Jul 03 11:06 |
| oiaohm | msb__: really if redhat wanted to destroy Linux there are way simpler ways todo that than attack the init system. | Jul 03 11:07 |
| msb__ | Gives the slaves the dangerous idea that they could stop giving all the wealth to the 0.1% richest. | Jul 03 11:07 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: This way has the advantage that it uses salami-slicing aka camel's nose under the tent. | Jul 03 11:08 |
| msb__ | aka boiling frogs | Jul 03 11:09 |
| cubexyz | except redhat makes major $$$ selling linux services | Jul 03 11:09 |
| oiaohm | msb__: why include as a requirement of systemd that it could work without pid1 | Jul 03 11:09 |
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| oiaohm | systemd is infact designed the means to run next to a completely different init system. | Jul 03 11:09 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: Sure, and they will continue to do so even when it's no longer really Linux. | Jul 03 11:10 |
| cubexyz | ok well that's creeping evil then | Jul 03 11:10 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit and upstart were more designed to destory Linux. | Jul 03 11:10 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, that makes no sense :) | Jul 03 11:10 |
| cubexyz | sysvinit goes back to system III Unix | Jul 03 11:10 |
| oiaohm | Neither sysvinit or upstart can run inside another init system. | Jul 03 11:11 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: you need to be more paranoid | Jul 03 11:11 |
| cubexyz | it was designed before Linux ever existed | Jul 03 11:11 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: exactly the point. | Jul 03 11:11 |
| oiaohm | It was not design to work with Linux. | Jul 03 11:11 |
| oiaohm | The fact it would mafunction made unixs using better init systems look good. | Jul 03 11:12 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: watch the 911 videos in the orange box in my homepage cosmicpenguin.com | Jul 03 11:12 |
| oiaohm | Its also interesting with kdbus that is being designed as a loadable module. | Jul 03 11:13 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: Then ask yourself why the US invaded Afghanistan and Iraq and murdered a million people in each. Then ask yourself why it destroyed socialist Libya. And why it's attacking Syria, Ukraine and Venezuela. | Jul 03 11:14 |
| oiaohm | The answer for the USA is simple. | Jul 03 11:14 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: There's more going on in the world than software. | Jul 03 11:14 |
| oiaohm | No wars no arms sales there complete finance system will fail. | Jul 03 11:14 |
| oiaohm | USA is one of the worlds largest arms makers. | Jul 03 11:15 |
| oiaohm | msb__: exactly why did the USA sell Iraq biological weapons. | Jul 03 11:16 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: That's not the whole answer. The US ultrawealthy also want to control the world. And they want to destroy socialism everywhere it exists so that they can siphon off all the money. | Jul 03 11:16 |
| oiaohm | msb__: or fund the sabom whosain to get into popwer. | Jul 03 11:16 |
| oiaohm | USA ultrawealthy LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL | Jul 03 11:16 |
| oiaohm | msb__: have you not seeing the USA Debt | Jul 03 11:17 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: because it wanted Iraq and Iran to kill each other | Jul 03 11:17 |
| msb__ | I doubt that it sold bioweapons to Iraq - just gave them. | Jul 03 11:17 |
| oiaohm | msb__: no the USA sold them. | Jul 03 11:18 |
| msb__ | for how much? | Jul 03 11:18 |
| oiaohm | It was the invoices that told the mil forces how much they were looking for. | Jul 03 11:18 |
| msb__ | for how much? | Jul 03 11:19 |
| oiaohm | msb__: I don't have the copy of invoice here. | Jul 03 11:19 |
| oiaohm | http://www.usdebtclock.org/ | Jul 03 11:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.usdebtclock.org | U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time | Jul 03 11:19 | |
| cubexyz | US gov doesn't tell oiaohm everything :) | Jul 03 11:20 |
| msb__ | bioweapons self-replicate. Only a starting culture is needed. | Jul 03 11:20 |
| msb__ | But oiaohm has latched on to US debt as the reason for it making war on the whole world for a century. There's more to it than that. | Jul 03 11:21 |
| oiaohm | No it was the idea that USA is rich. | Jul 03 11:22 |
| msb__ | A few people in the US are very rich indeed. | Jul 03 11:22 |
| msb__ | Rich enough to control the govt and its huge military. | Jul 03 11:23 |
| oiaohm | When it comes down to it notice two figs total assets per person 368.844 and ammount owed 818,548 | Jul 03 11:23 |
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| oiaohm | So if the USA debt repayments ever failed and the debt was called in even the richest person the the USA would have nothing. | Jul 03 11:23 |
| msb__ | Average figures do not tell the story. | Jul 03 11:24 |
| oiaohm | So usa people are only rich on paper not rich by asset. | Jul 03 11:24 |
| msb__ | No, SOME few US people are rich enough in actual wealth to control the govt (and media). | Jul 03 11:25 |
| oiaohm | msb__: they do tell this story. When debt it called in the assets of country can be held to account. All current paper rich in banks can be instantly deleted as the USA currenty gets turn to being valued 0 to pay. | Jul 03 11:25 |
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| oiaohm | So the few people paper rich pulling the strings with the USA governement are very stupid. | Jul 03 11:26 |
| msb__ | A. they are also rich in gold silver and material assets like farms and factories B. other nations will be reluctant to "call in the debt" of a nation with enough H-bombs to destroy the world many times over. | Jul 03 11:28 |
| cubexyz | has that ever happened? one country calling in the debts of another? | Jul 03 11:28 |
| cubexyz | or do they just forgive the debt? | Jul 03 11:29 |
| oiaohm | msb__: most of USA debt is with china. | Jul 03 11:30 |
| oiaohm | China the people there are truly rich. Not just in paper but also have low debt. | Jul 03 11:30 |
| cubexyz | http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/11/the-long-story-of-us-debt-from-1790-to-2011-in-1-little-chart/265185/ | Jul 03 11:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theatlantic.com | The Long Story of U.S. Debt, From 1790 to 2011, in 1 Little Chart - The Atlantic [ http://ur1.ca/mzo32 ] | Jul 03 11:30 | |
| cubexyz | they were doing great in 1835 | Jul 03 11:30 |
| oiaohm | China could pay out there debts any time they want to. | Jul 03 11:30 |
| oiaohm | Another country that is supprising good is mexcio. | Jul 03 11:31 |
| oiaohm | Russia and China are both in locations they can clear their debts. | Jul 03 11:31 |
| oiaohm | Without requiring there currenty to go to hell. | Jul 03 11:31 |
| oiaohm | Greese of course makes USA look good. | Jul 03 11:32 |
| oiaohm | Japan is the country I always wonder about. Its so deep in the hole yet no one calls in its loans. | Jul 03 11:33 |
| oiaohm | The issue here countries around the world have been running on their credit cards. | Jul 03 11:35 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: Why did the US attack Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela? It had to spend money to buy weapons. That increased its debt. | Jul 03 11:36 |
| msb__ | and Libya | Jul 03 11:36 |
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| oiaohm | msb__: where did the USA buy those weapons from. | Jul 03 11:36 |
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| msb__ | From US corporations. | Jul 03 11:37 |
| oiaohm | USA mostly buys weapons from the USA. | Jul 03 11:37 |
| oiaohm | Then that funds USA companies to make weapons it exports to other countries. | Jul 03 11:37 |
| msb__ | But it increases the govt debt. | Jul 03 11:37 |
| oiaohm | You could say that every time the USA goes to war its a weapon demostration to sell product. | Jul 03 11:37 |
| oiaohm | And to perform population control. | Jul 03 11:38 |
| msb__ | But why does the US selectively attack socialist nations? | Jul 03 11:38 |
| oiaohm | Remember what I said about paper rich people in the USA being idiots. | Jul 03 11:38 |
| oiaohm | USA does not attack all socialist nations. | Jul 03 11:39 |
| oiaohm | Social nations that buy weapons from the USA the USA leaves alone. | Jul 03 11:39 |
| msb__ | It attacks all those not strong enough to fight back. | Jul 03 11:39 |
| oiaohm | Not at all. | Jul 03 11:39 |
| cubexyz | Japan: debt-to-GDP > 200% | Jul 03 11:39 |
| oiaohm | USA attacks countries that mostly buys weapons from russia and china. | Jul 03 11:40 |
| cubexyz | which is odd because people do buy a lot of stuff made in Japan | Jul 03 11:40 |
| oiaohm | In other words the competition in the global arms trade. | Jul 03 11:40 |
| oiaohm | msb__: I did have a list of socialist coutnries the USA sells arms to. | Jul 03 11:41 |
| oiaohm | And the fact the USA never says a bad word about them. | Jul 03 11:41 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: You don't think rich people try to destroy socialism because they want to stay rich? | Jul 03 11:41 |
| oiaohm | I think socialism has nothing todo with it msb__ I think socialism is just an excuse. | Jul 03 11:42 |
| oiaohm | Just like they are terriorist is being used as an execuse now. | Jul 03 11:42 |
| oiaohm | Its not like the USA has not sold weapons and trained terriorest themselves. | Jul 03 11:42 |
| msb__ | Yes it has. To conquer nations and keep the world in fear so it accepts US attacks. | Jul 03 11:44 |
| oiaohm | Anything about a country that means the USA is unable to effectively trade with a country to attempt to make some of their idiot paper rich people more rich. | Jul 03 11:44 |
| oiaohm | Will see that country attacked. | Jul 03 11:44 |
| oiaohm | msb__: read the top 10 socialist countries http://blog.peerform.com/top-ten-most-socialist-countries-in-the-world/ Yep only 1 on that list has the USA ever threatend. | Jul 03 11:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.peerform.com | Top 10 Most Socialist Countries in the World - Peerform BlogPeerform | Peer to Peer Lending Blog [ http://ur1.ca/mzo94 ] | Jul 03 11:51 | |
| oiaohm | The anti-socialism speach of the USA is not matched by actions. | Jul 03 11:52 |
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| msb__ | Those are mixed economies where the govt provides more benefits to citizens than the US does. But they still allow capitalist to become wealthy by ripping off the poor and middle classes. As exemplified by the popup window that wants to rob me by loaning me money at interest. | Jul 03 12:03 |
| msb__ | Real socialist nations -- Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Libya -- are the ones the US attacks and destroys. | Jul 03 12:08 |
| oiaohm | You just listed countries that Russia and china has historically provided arms to. | Jul 03 12:16 |
| msb__ | Yes because Russia and China were socialist and wanted to protect weaker socialist nations from capitalist US attacks. | Jul 03 12:18 |
| oiaohm | In affica and other places usa provided arms and equipment to other socialist nations. | Jul 03 12:19 |
| oiaohm | Reality you arguement msb__ does not follow up invenstagion. | Jul 03 12:19 |
| msb__ | The US govt murdered the socialist Patrice Lumumba. | Jul 03 12:21 |
| msb__ | Wealthy Americans financed and armed Hitler to murder socialist throughout Europe and USSR. | Jul 03 12:24 |
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| msb__ | http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_Nazis | Jul 03 12:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone | Jul 03 12:24 | |
| oiaohm | msb__: they have also financed to kill people calling for public votes and the like in non socialist countries | Jul 03 12:25 |
| oiaohm | Sorry its not that black and white. | Jul 03 12:25 |
| oiaohm | USA anything to make a buck no matter who has to die. | Jul 03 12:26 |
| msb__ | Sure. The US opposes anything that gives people more power, because that gives the wealthy less opportunity to get more wealthy. | Jul 03 12:26 |
| oiaohm | The Yes Men - Acceptable Risk launch is a good video for how the USA operates. | Jul 03 12:27 |
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| msb__ | The US govt murdered John and Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King, all of whom wanted to give ordinary people more economic power. | Jul 03 12:28 |
| oiaohm | Anti-socalism and Anti-terrorism add on anti-civildisobenance. And you cover anyone | Jul 03 12:28 |
| msb__ | No, you don't cover the ultra-wealthy. | Jul 03 12:29 |
| oiaohm | msb__: Usa is plan and simple greed | Jul 03 12:29 |
| msb__ | While the ultra-wealthy are terrorists, the US govt does not attack them. It aids them, because they control the govt. | Jul 03 12:29 |
| oiaohm | msb__: those three cover anyone who is a threat to the ulta paper wealthy. | Jul 03 12:29 |
| oiaohm | Please note the terrorist card supplying/helping is used to remove those who get ultra paper wealthy and attempt to change the system. | Jul 03 12:31 |
| oiaohm | USA is a idiots reforcing a system operated by idiots. | Jul 03 12:31 |
| oiaohm | I don't know anything other than USA defaulting that is going to fix it. | Jul 03 12:32 |
| oiaohm | Maybe after defaulting they will at least grow a brain and understand that a country operating on the credit card is bad. | Jul 03 12:33 |
| msb__ | That won't eliminate the US military nor impoverish the non-paper ultra wealthy. It will just starve and evict ordinary Americans. | Jul 03 12:33 |
| oiaohm | Because there paper money is only worth money if the country providing it is worth money. | Jul 03 12:33 |
| oiaohm | You have something badly wrong. | Jul 03 12:34 |
| oiaohm | Depends on who the USA defaults to. | Jul 03 12:34 |
| oiaohm | USA defaults to china the USA might not be allowed a standing military. | Jul 03 12:34 |
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| oiaohm | Japan end of second world war so far in debt they had to default to the winners. | Jul 03 12:35 |
| oiaohm | Exactly how would the non paper ultra wealthy be existing. | Jul 03 12:36 |
| msb__ | Japan was defeated militarily. How would China prevent the US from having a military? | Jul 03 12:36 |
| oiaohm | Remember all gold in banks all land rights..... goes to the party that holds the debt. | Jul 03 12:36 |
| oiaohm | msb__: china can claim the metal of the USA mil weapons as payment for some of the debt | Jul 03 12:37 |
| msb__ | How would China collect it? | Jul 03 12:37 |
| oiaohm | How does china collect the gold they recieve now to pay the debt. | Jul 03 12:38 |
| oiaohm | The USA hands it over not to have other issues. | Jul 03 12:39 |
| oiaohm | Countries that have default to china have suffered some really bad things. | Jul 03 12:40 |
| oiaohm | Like complete forrest in thoses countries national parks being cleared. | Jul 03 12:40 |
| msb__ | US citizens buy a lot of cheap goods from China. China could threaten not to sell us anymore. USians would starve. But the US govt wouldn't care, and would not hand over any weapons, | Jul 03 12:40 |
| oiaohm | msb__: international laws you owe debt the result can be a zero trade position. | Jul 03 12:41 |
| msb__ | The US might fly some over, but the Chinese would not enjoy receiving them. | Jul 03 12:41 |
| oiaohm | Basically USA unable to trade with anyone else they make some forms of token payment. | Jul 03 12:41 |
| oiaohm | Attacking china would fail the token payment requirement. | Jul 03 12:42 |
| oiaohm | As I said being in debt can turn into a really nasty hole. | Jul 03 12:42 |
| msb__ | The US govt cares nothing for international law -- attacks and invades other nations constantly. | Jul 03 12:42 |
| oiaohm | USA need the protection of international waters todo a lot of that. | Jul 03 12:43 |
| oiaohm | When in a zero trade location there is nothing in international law preventing your ships from just being sunk. | Jul 03 12:43 |
| msb__ | That's why it has a huge navy. | Jul 03 12:43 |
| oiaohm | Remember zero trade its open season for pirates against you boats. | Jul 03 12:44 |
| oiaohm | China navy has todo nothing. | Jul 03 12:44 |
| msb__ | pirates against U-boats would not do well | Jul 03 12:45 |
| msb__ | US gets a lot of food from Mexico. It still would. | Jul 03 12:46 |
| oiaohm | msb__: exactly why would Mexico if USD is worth 0 | Jul 03 12:47 |
| oiaohm | Zero trade means you don't have a currency to trade with. | Jul 03 12:47 |
| msb__ | US still manufactures some goods here, and would sell them to Mexico for USD. | Jul 03 12:48 |
| oiaohm | Zero trade USD is worth nothing. | Jul 03 12:48 |
| msb__ | Says who? | Jul 03 12:48 |
| oiaohm | So USA would have to sell for mexio currenty. | Jul 03 12:48 |
| oiaohm | That is what happens when a country defaults | Jul 03 12:49 |
| msb__ | ??? | Jul 03 12:49 |
| oiaohm | In a major way. | Jul 03 12:49 |
| oiaohm | Their currency ceases to be usable for trade. Heck even for tax | Jul 03 12:49 |
| oiaohm | This is why countries with high debt levels should be focused on getting it under control. | Jul 03 12:50 |
| msb__ | The international trade and banking system is controlled by many of the same criminals that control the US govt. | Jul 03 12:51 |
| oiaohm | No Internation trade and banking system is controled mostly by the swiss. | Jul 03 12:51 |
| msb__ | The trade/debt rules that apply to other nations would not apply to the US. | Jul 03 12:51 |
| msb__ | The swiss Rothschilds? | Jul 03 12:51 |
| oiaohm | The swiss bankers make Rothschilds look like angels. | Jul 03 12:52 |
| oiaohm | You remember swiss bankers have no problem taken gold from your populations teeth. | Jul 03 12:52 |
| oiaohm | To pay down a debt | Jul 03 12:52 |
| msb__ | Swiss = Nazis? | Jul 03 12:53 |
| oiaohm | Swiss took the gold Nazis got from the constration camps to pay of debts the Nazis owed them. | Jul 03 12:53 |
| oiaohm | Swiss was basically netural for the complete second war. | Jul 03 12:54 |
| msb__ | Because the Nazis were militarily defeated. | Jul 03 12:54 |
| oiaohm | They took what ever from who ever. | Jul 03 12:54 |
| oiaohm | Pure greed | Jul 03 12:54 |
| oiaohm | Swiss understand the meaning of being really rich. | Jul 03 12:54 |
| msb__ | The US can't be militarily defeated. | Jul 03 12:54 |
| oiaohm | If you cannot defeat a country by Militarily defeat them by money. | Jul 03 12:55 |
| msb__ | Paper cuts? | Jul 03 12:56 |
| oiaohm | Kind of. | Jul 03 12:56 |
| oiaohm | Have you not noticed that USA means to make silcon chips has reduced. | Jul 03 12:56 |
| oiaohm | So by making it cheaper to produce this stuff in china and other asian countries. | Jul 03 12:57 |
| oiaohm | ie not the USA | Jul 03 12:57 |
| msb__ | Only because we can get them cheaper elsewhere. | Jul 03 12:57 |
| oiaohm | This is defeat by money. | Jul 03 12:57 |
| oiaohm | Without advanced silcon production you cannot make advanced weapons right msb__ | Jul 03 12:57 |
| msb__ | Those factories can be rebuilt. | Jul 03 12:57 |
| msb__ | But with better, current, technology. | Jul 03 12:58 |
| oiaohm | From where if you no longer have the trained and skilled popluation. | Jul 03 12:58 |
| oiaohm | China is willing to wage a war that lasts 300+ years. | Jul 03 12:58 |
| msb__ | US plenty of trained and skilled, Most of us are just out of work. | Jul 03 12:59 |
| msb__ | US has plenty of trained and skilled, Most of us are just out of work. | Jul 03 12:59 |
| oiaohm | Warring States period in china is partly where there fight by money comes from. | Jul 03 13:00 |
| oiaohm | Note I said 300 years msb__ | Jul 03 13:01 |
| oiaohm | China is willing to wait the USA out. | Jul 03 13:01 |
| msb__ | Today a big war would last 3 days. | Jul 03 13:01 |
| oiaohm | hope that people stop going after key jobs | Jul 03 13:01 |
| oiaohm | So when the current trained die out there are no replacments. | Jul 03 13:01 |
| oiaohm | Attack after the USA has let themselves become crippled. | Jul 03 13:02 |
| msb__ | rotsa ruck | Jul 03 13:02 |
| oiaohm | Problem is it working. | Jul 03 13:02 |
| oiaohm | Before china started trading heavily with the usa a lot of those highly trained people would have had no problem getting jobs. | Jul 03 13:03 |
| msb__ | US military not being defeated. With remote-controlled drones it's much easier to fight. | Jul 03 13:04 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: Do you work in a bank or something? | Jul 03 13:05 |
| oiaohm | http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/china-building-42000-military-drones-should-america-worry-12856 | Jul 03 13:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nationalinterest.org | China Is Building 42,000 Military Drones: Should America Worry? | The National Interest Blog [ http://ur1.ca/mzouo ] | Jul 03 13:06 | |
| oiaohm | China will have 6 to 1 in drones | Jul 03 13:06 |
| oiaohm | So china bigger per person army and a bigger drone army. | Jul 03 13:07 |
| oiaohm | msb__: I have worked at a bank. | Jul 03 13:09 |
| oiaohm | The problem is a lot of the arguements why the USA is not defeatable is not based on facts. | Jul 03 13:10 |
| msb__ | nationalinterest.org is BS. Talks about US war on terror as if it were real. US backs the terrorists. | Jul 03 13:10 |
| oiaohm | The reality is super power vs super power USA is not getting stronger. | Jul 03 13:10 |
| msb__ | Once a nation has the power to kill everyone on the planet several times over, mutual strength does not matter. | Jul 03 13:12 |
| oiaohm | You are forgetting process of nuke disarmement. | Jul 03 13:12 |
| oiaohm | China, Russa and the USA all had the power to kill everyone on the planet | Jul 03 13:13 |
| oiaohm | Of course this is being disasmebled. | Jul 03 13:13 |
| oiaohm | What is the finacal gain in killing everyone. | Jul 03 13:13 |
| msb__ | Considering fallout, they still do, and will. | Jul 03 13:14 |
| oiaohm | Fallout depends if that will be a issue. | Jul 03 13:15 |
| oiaohm | You have to remember china in hong kong are working on food production inside buildings. | Jul 03 13:15 |
| oiaohm | Lot of new china cities poplations can live there and never go outside. | Jul 03 13:15 |
| oiaohm | So threat of Fallout against china is almost a joke. | Jul 03 13:16 |
| oiaohm | msb__: see the problem when dealing with a side that is willing to take over 300 years and get everything in order first. | Jul 03 13:17 |
| msb__ | we must not allow a mineshaft gap! | Jul 03 13:17 |
| oiaohm | China it will be a direct strike or don't bother doing anything. | Jul 03 13:18 |
| cubexyz | I'm going to guess that's from Dr Strangelove even though I've never seen it | Jul 03 13:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Top 5 Android phones — July 2015 | Jul 03 13:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Wsk2DuV6jb (www.technobuffalo.com) | Jul 03 13:19 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.technobuffalo.com | Top 5 Android phones — July 2015 | Jul 03 13:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 25 Best Android Games from June 2015 | Jul 03 13:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/b48uEP1J1x (phandroid.com) | Jul 03 13:19 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-phandroid.com | 25 Best Android Games from June 2015 | Jul 03 13:19 | |
| msb__ | Correct! Well worth watching. | Jul 03 13:19 |
| oiaohm | From what I see of the big picture long term for USA does not look good. | Jul 03 13:20 |
| oiaohm | Of course USA could dig it way out of these problems if it gets some decent leader ship. | Jul 03 13:21 |
| msb__ | “The best laid schemes o' Mice an' Men, Gang aft agley,” | Jul 03 13:21 |
| cubexyz | the Americans gave us Unix but also gave us Microsoft :) | Jul 03 13:22 |
| oiaohm | msb__: problem here USA is not even using anywhere near the best laid scheme | Jul 03 13:25 |
| msb__ | Peter Sellers plays three different roles. | Jul 03 13:26 |
| oiaohm | I like all the news about USA spying on the EU. Most of that has to come by pine gap in Australia | Jul 03 13:26 |
| msb__ | China's best-laid plans will fail too. | Jul 03 13:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fans of No-Contract Phones Get More Android | Jul 03 13:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Choices http://t.co/c5imtJE67a (www.eweek.com) | Jul 03 13:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eweek.com | Fans of No-Contract Phones Get More Android Choices | Jul 03 13:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Version History: A Timeline of New | Jul 03 13:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Features http://t.co/AFKfmGWGzr | Jul 03 13:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tomsguide.com) “five years… to become the | Jul 03 13:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | most popular” | Jul 03 13:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomsguide.com | Android Version History: A Timeline of New Features | Jul 03 13:30 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google's new Android One smartphone launches on | Jul 03 13:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | July 14 for Rs 12,000 http://t.co/zlQhmy1Yw8 | Jul 03 13:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-economictimes.indiatimes.com | Google's new Android One smartphone launches on July 14 for Rs 12,000 - The Economic Times | Jul 03 13:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (economictimes.indiatimes.com) | Jul 03 13:30 |
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| oiaohm | msb__: art of war always plan for failure | Jul 03 13:31 |
| msb__ | written by Stanley Kubrick and Terry Southern | Jul 03 13:31 |
| msb__ | has some great lines: "You can't fight here. This is the War Room!" | Jul 03 13:32 |
| msb__ | But failure can't be planned for. You don't know how it will fail. | Jul 03 13:32 |
| oiaohm | Really the art of war how to plan for failure does cover how to avoid the worse outcomes of a failed plan. | Jul 03 13:33 |
| oiaohm | Not knowing how a plan will fail don't do anything that will directly appear agressive. | Jul 03 13:34 |
| msb__ | The Pentagon refused to lend any support to the film after they read the script. | Jul 03 13:36 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The 10 best Android apps to run on your | Jul 03 17:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Chromebook http://t.co/Bs8q2lEM64 | Jul 03 17:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com | The 10 best Android apps to run on your Chromebook | PCWorld | Jul 03 17:49 | |
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| msb__ | "don't do anything that will directly appear agressive" That could make it difficult to pursue a war. | Jul 03 17:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "releasing We Happy Few for Linux." | Jul 03 17:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | We Happy Few Will Get Linux Support | GamingOnLinux | Jul 03 17:50 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LEGO Minifigures Online Released For Linux, | Jul 03 18:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Some Thoughts https://t.co/BTvWdKN2U0 | Jul 03 18:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | LEGO Minifigures Online Released For Linux, Some Thoughts | GamingOnLinux | Jul 03 18:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Beautify your Linux Mint Cinnamon with these | Jul 03 18:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | simple tricks http://t.co/cYkhGdAovw | Jul 03 18:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxveda.com | Beautify your Linux Mint Cinnamon with these simple tricks - Linux Veda | Jul 03 18:20 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Long live ROS: Why the robotics revolution is | Jul 03 18:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | being driven by open source development | Jul 03 18:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Long live ROS: Why the robotics revolution is being driven by open source development | Tux Machines | Jul 03 18:20 | |
| r_schestowitz | [13:06] <oiaohm> http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/china-building-42000-military-drones-should-america-worry-12856 | Jul 03 18:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nationalinterest.org | China Is Building 42,000 Military Drones: Should America Worry? | The National Interest Blog [ http://ur1.ca/mzouo ] | Jul 03 18:22 | |
| r_schestowitz | Just read it | Jul 03 18:22 |
| r_schestowitz | It's a neocon site | Jul 03 18:22 |
| r_schestowitz | usually GOPish and hawkish | Jul 03 18:22 |
| r_schestowitz | and its point is, | Jul 03 18:22 |
| r_schestowitz | We in the US have tens of thousands of drones | Jul 03 18:22 |
| r_schestowitz | but when China does it, it's bad... because we're good, and there's bad. | Jul 03 18:22 |
| r_schestowitz | OED | Jul 03 18:22 |
| r_schestowitz | *they're | Jul 03 18:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Q&A: Why Congress is Jumping on the Open Source | Jul 03 18:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Q&A: Why Congress is Jumping on the Open Source Bandwagon | Tux Machines | Jul 03 18:44 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ground zero for an open-source revolution | Jul 03 18:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ground zero for an open-source revolution | Tux Machines | Jul 03 18:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 4MLinux 13.0 Screencast and Screenshots | Jul 03 18:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/UAQIQyTJiV (www.linuxquestions.org) | Jul 03 18:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxquestions.org | 4MLinux 13.0 Screencast and Screenshots | Jul 03 18:44 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6298306 | Jul 03 18:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Thousands evacuated after train carrying toxic chemicals derails in Tennessee http://mashable.com/2015/07/02/train-derailment-tennessee/ maybe they should invest in their rail system, at last | Jul 03 18:46 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> mashable.com | Thousands evacuated after train carrying toxic chemicals derails in Tennessee [ http://ur1.ca/mzrpk ] | Jul 03 18:46 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6297551 | Jul 03 18:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: From the Editors: When did open-source software get so scary? http://sdtimes.com/from-the-editors-when-did-open-source-software-get-so-scary/ "VMware, Oracle, Microsoft and Cisco...caught infringing" | Jul 03 18:48 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> sdtimes.com | From the Editors: When did open-source software get so scary? - SD Times [ http://ur1.ca/mzrq3 ] | Jul 03 18:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Smartphones Are The New PC And */Linux | Jul 03 19:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | RulesSmartphones Are The New PC And */Linux | Jul 03 19:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Rules http://t.co/PAyWHcMVQ8 (mrpogson.com) | Jul 03 19:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mrpogson.com | Smartphones Are The New PC And */Linux Rules | Robert Pogson | Jul 03 19:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Infinifactory Sandbox Puzzle Arrives on Steam | Jul 03 19:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | for Linux http://t.co/LOp6aSwaOL | Jul 03 19:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linux.softpedia.com) | Jul 03 19:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Infinifactory Sandbox Puzzle Arrives on Steam for Linux - Softpedia | Jul 03 19:13 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Canonical Closes Exploit That Allows | Jul 03 19:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Installation of Altered Packages in Ubuntu OSes | Jul 03 19:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Canonical Closes Exploit That Allows Installation of Altered Packages in Ubuntu OSes - Softpedia | Jul 03 19:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "Scientific Linux is supposed to be a serious, | Jul 03 19:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | stable, useful operating system. So is CentOS." | Jul 03 19:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dedoimedo.com | Scientific Linux 7.1 review - More fiasco | Jul 03 19:16 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Smartphones Are The New PC And */Linux Rules | Jul 03 19:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Smartphones Are The New PC And */Linux Rules | Tux Machines | Jul 03 19:16 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: KDE/Qt http://t.co/o68cMeW49a | Jul 03 19:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: KDE/Qt | Tux Machines | Jul 03 19:16 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora Pinos to do for Video what PulseAudio | Jul 03 19:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | did for Audio http://t.co/nrjyLviKmq | Jul 03 19:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora Pinos to do for Video what PulseAudio did for Audio | Tux Machines | Jul 03 19:16 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/617044012705431553 | Jul 03 20:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz or they'll finally get back to doing some work! | Jul 03 20:00 | |
| r_schestowitz | rewriting press releases or pressing publish on ghostwritten 'articles' from copywriters and E-mail marketers is not work? | Jul 03 20:01 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/617046003074605056 | Jul 03 20:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz easiest way to work and earn a living😀. Conscience and self respect be damned. | Jul 03 20:06 | |
| r_schestowitz | Not part of the job. Pretending it is leads so-called journo grads to disappointment. | Jul 03 20:07 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Scientific Linux 7.1 review - More fiasco | Jul 03 20:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Scientific Linux 7.1 review - More fiasco | Tux Machines | Jul 03 20:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "Linux New Media...Working at that company | Jul 03 20:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | prepared me for the culture at Red Hat." | Jul 03 20:15 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com | Passion is the main ingredient at an open organization like Red Hat | Opensource.com | Jul 03 20:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines VirtualBox 5.0 RC3 Brings VMM Fixes, Takes Care | Jul 03 20:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Of Some KDE DnD Problems http://t.co/cEVCVqi9hc | Jul 03 20:15 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: OSS http://t.co/64LxpLGg9A | Jul 03 21:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open source platform security considerations | Tux Machines | Jul 03 21:25 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Ubuntu | Tux Machines | Jul 03 21:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 3/7/2015: KDE Applications 15.04.3, | Jul 03 21:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu-Flavored Compute Stick | Jul 03 21:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 3/7/2015: KDE Applications 15.04.3, Ubuntu-Flavored Compute Stick | Techrights | Jul 03 21:26 | |
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| r_schestowitz | >> > Sounds like it speaks of his highness, Microsoft Jack. Did you read my latest rebuttal to his BS? | Jul 03 21:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > I thought he was retired, a quick googling shows he's continuing as a paid shill for the MICROS~1 organization. I listened to that audio and it was ludicrous seeing him desperately trying to pretend that Microsoft invented the first GUI. Charles Arther at least tried to pull him up. | Jul 03 21:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jul 03 21:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > http://techrights.org/2015/06/27/microsoft-jack-insults-people/ | Jul 03 21:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jul 03 21:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > btw .. See here where Simon Cooke has gone back to work for the Microsoft organization. Well who would have figured. He's also a film director who doesn't actually make any movies. He's also a mental case .. him and Funkenbusch. I wonder what ever happened to him? | Jul 03 21:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jul 03 21:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Jack (Schofield) Promotes Microsoft’s Proprietary Lock-in and Calls People Who Recommend Free/Libre Software ‘Trolls’ | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/my9j2 ] | Jul 03 21:31 | |
| r_schestowitz | > https://www.linkedin.com/in/fleetingshadow | Jul 03 21:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linkedin.com | Simon Cooke | LinkedIn [ http://ur1.ca/mzt7u ] | Jul 03 21:31 | |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jul 03 21:31 |
| r_schestowitz | Never heard of that place he claims to have studied in, unless UoM used to be decoupled.... it was either UMIST of Victoria Uni of Manchester. | Jul 03 21:31 |
| r_schestowitz | Freelance Journalist | Jul 03 21:31 |
| r_schestowitz | Various UK Magazines | Jul 03 21:31 |
| r_schestowitz | 1993 – 1997 | Jul 03 21:31 |
| r_schestowitz | Did he promote early Windows there? | Jul 03 21:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jul 03 21:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Is Finally Fixing Its Annoying GRUB | Jul 03 21:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Ubuntu Is Finally Fixing Its Annoying GRUB Setting - Phoronix | Jul 03 21:54 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Jul 03 21:54 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Jul 03 21:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/yOcYS2Ogcq | Jul 03 21:55 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Aleks404/status/617080977093980160 | Jul 03 22:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Aleks404: #PJLRenseignement https://t.co/scCaNdvEqS | Jul 03 22:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "ordered the interception of every French company contract or negotiation valued at more than $200 ml" http://t.co/b6Udx0K3I5 #espionage | Jul 03 22:41 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/617088938000449537 | Jul 03 22:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz sez the guy wearing a suit in his profile pic ;-) err ... Wait. Must change my profile pic too :-) | Jul 03 22:55 | |
| r_schestowitz | hehe, true. Shame on me. | Jul 03 22:55 |
| r_schestowitz | Hey, yours looks like drag, Jan. :-p | Jul 03 22:55 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/617089561986998272 | Jul 03 22:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz you haven't seen my other suit. It's called Commando. From opposuits. Don't. Look. It. Up. ;-) | Jul 03 22:58 | |
| r_schestowitz | I can, but then GCHQ will have something on me ;-) | Jul 03 22:58 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/617090403632816128 | Jul 03 23:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz hahaha! That'll be the least of your worries, trust me!1!! | Jul 03 23:07 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/deusexstigma/status/617096258994458624 | Jul 03 23:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@deusexstigma: @schestowitz ++retch++ | Jul 03 23:28 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/horrorlibrarian/status/617096908817989632 | Jul 03 23:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@horrorlibrarian: @schestowitz @ACLU awesome! | Jul 03 23:29 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/617102980110618624 | Jul 03 23:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Strange coincidence: That's two of us. | Jul 03 23:51 | |
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| r_schestowitz | " | Jul 04 00:52 |
| r_schestowitz | I have some interesting plans for my next trip to #singapore (maybe in February), The abuses there are easy to expose, photograph, etc. | Jul 04 00:52 |
| r_schestowitz | Re http://ur1.ca/mzuzp should you really be telegraphing that? | Jul 04 00:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: I have some interesting plans for my next trip to #singapore (maybe in February), The abuses there are easy to expose, photograph, etc. | Jul 04 00:52 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jul 04 00:52 |
| r_schestowitz | yes, to test them, e.g. at the border | Jul 04 00:52 |
| r_schestowitz | "Right. If it's a test, then ok :-) What if they deny you entry?" | Jul 04 00:56 |
| r_schestowitz | I can wait at the airport in transit. They didn't raise any issues after all the things I wrote before and during last visit, e.g. re Shane Todd | Jul 04 00:57 |
| r_schestowitz | > See this comment on slashdot, couldn't have said it better myself: | Jul 04 01:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jul 04 01:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7640103&cid=50040847 | Jul 04 01:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-slashdot.org | AMAgeddon: Reddit Mods Are Locking Up the Site's Most Popular Pages In Protest - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/mzv7p ] | Jul 04 01:07 | |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jul 04 01:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/07/03/121206/amageddon-reddit-mods-are-locking-up-the-sites-most-popular-pages-in-protest | Jul 04 01:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.slashdot.org | AMAgeddon: Reddit Mods Are Locking Up the Site's Most Popular Pages In Protest - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/mzv7q ] | Jul 04 01:07 | |
| r_schestowitz | Slashdot AND reddit need to go the way of the dodo. | Jul 04 01:07 |
| r_schestowitz | "Well it's an interesting experiment. I am pretty sure I'm watched also" | Jul 04 01:08 |
| r_schestowitz | Everyone is watched, we know based on leaked documents. The question is, how much? What are we classified as? | Jul 04 01:08 |
| msb__ | Anyone who diminishes corporate profits is considered to be a terrorist. We are dealing with psychopaths here. | Jul 04 01:11 |
| msb__ | The ultra-wealthy feel terrorized if anyone competes with them. | Jul 04 01:11 |
| r_schestowitz | yeah | Jul 04 01:13 |
| msb__ | Just like anyone who tries to defend against a US invasion is called an insurgent or terrorist. | Jul 04 01:13 |
| msb__ | It's a universal psychopath technique to claim that their victims are doing the evil that they themselves are actually doing. | Jul 04 01:15 |
| msb__ | Michael Parenti said decades ago that the greatest crime is to defend against a US attack. | Jul 04 01:16 |
| r_schestowitz | "Right" | Jul 04 01:23 |
| r_schestowitz | "Border control is a pretty high stakes test unfortunately" | Jul 04 01:24 |
| r_schestowitz | been through this before, but they usually just check there's no foreseen trouble, unless there's risk of protest/violence | Jul 04 01:24 |
| msb__ | Don't they torture people who criticize the govt in singpore by whipping? | Jul 04 01:25 |
| msb__ | Or who leave a wad of chewing gum on a subway train. | Jul 04 01:27 |
| r_schestowitz | "I am thinking of what Moxie, Appelbaum endure at borders" | Jul 04 01:40 |
| r_schestowitz | They publicise it, it serves their cause | Jul 04 01:40 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/617130865278197760 | Jul 04 01:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @FrancisJeffrey7 Actually it's USA that's behind most of it. #welp @schestowitz | Jul 04 01:41 | |
| r_schestowitz | msb__: no | Jul 04 01:41 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe Saudi Arabia | Jul 04 01:41 |
| r_schestowitz | I'm not sure Singapore still does lashing | Jul 04 01:42 |
| r_schestowitz | but I think I heard of something | Jul 04 01:42 |
| r_schestowitz | and i think their police can do some forms of psychological torture | Jul 04 01:42 |
| msb__ | Maybe make you eat bacon. | Jul 04 01:43 |
| msb__ | oops, only 15% muslim | Jul 04 01:47 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/617132227860787204 | Jul 04 01:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz & that's precisely the purpose of Saudi beheadings too, and exactly why the oligarchy won't hesitate to use capital punishment | Jul 04 01:50 | |
| r_schestowitz | US has capital punishment. But they are 'gentlemen'; they inject poison, won't decapitate. 'Polite' murder (eye for an eye). | Jul 04 01:51 |
| r_schestowitz | msb__: unlike Malaysia at the north and Indonesia to the south | Jul 04 01:51 |
| msb__ | Unless the US is doing capital punishment wholesale -- a million people at a time. Then it's bombing, strafing, napalm, until they're all dead (with twice as many injured). | Jul 04 01:55 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/robert_stock7/status/617134027703595009 | Jul 04 01:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@robert_stock7: @schestowitz @Machilu2014 Behaviour wld b considered outrageous by Americans if they were the target. Time for slap down of U.S. by allies. | Jul 04 01:56 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/WellyTopping/status/617135507030581249 https://twitter.com/deusexstigma/status/617136141502971904 | Jul 04 02:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@WellyTopping: Tories (Thatcher, Reagan, everyone since) have always idolised and supported tyrants, war criminals & torturers. Same type. @schestowitz | Jul 04 02:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@deusexstigma: @schestowitz and basically imprisoned without trial for five years..death threats..against his family also.Without Wikileaks we'd be fucked. | Jul 04 02:03 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Jul 04 03:02 | |
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| roy__ | https://twitter.com/tecknocrat/status/617228704817614848 | Jul 04 09:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tecknocrat: @schestowitz Target implies aggression & the need to attack. If we r 2 progress as ppl we need to learn better language & be more accurate | Jul 04 09:41 | |
| roy__ | https://twitter.com/tecknocrat/status/617229238245011457 | Jul 04 09:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tecknocrat: @deusexstigma @schestowitz The world would be a vet different place. A just imagine if OUR Politicians had free rain without scrutiny-scary | Jul 04 09:42 | |
| roy__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6298972 | Jul 04 09:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #politico bought a new domain name for a few bucks to pretend to be #eu publication, throw around 'trade' puff pieces http://www.politico.eu/article/parliament-moves-ahead-on-ttip-deal/ | Jul 04 09:47 | |
| roy__ | " | Jul 04 09:47 |
| roy__ | Actually, it looks like Politico has had the .eu domain since April 7, 2006. | Jul 04 09:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.politico.eu | Parliament to vote on TTIP next week – POLITICO [ http://ur1.ca/mzz80 ] | Jul 04 09:47 | |
| roy__ | http://www.eurid.eu/en/whois-search | Jul 04 09:47 |
| roy__ | " | Jul 04 09:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eurid.eu | WHOIS search | EURid | Jul 04 09:47 | |
| roy__ | Maybe just to protect the brand | Jul 04 09:47 |
| roy__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6299052 | Jul 04 09:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Stories that don't start with the condition of anonymity (and/or source protection) tend to be either unoriginal or just PR for someone | Jul 04 09:48 | |
| roy__ | " | Jul 04 09:48 |
| roy__ | Do you recall Valerie Plame, a CIA spy outed at the behest of Dick Cheney, anonymously of course, in order to pressure her husband who had undermined Bush administration claims about Saddam Hussein (uranium tubes or some such nonsense)? | Jul 04 09:48 |
| roy__ | Anonymity is like anything else. It can be and probably is often abused. | Jul 04 09:48 |
| roy__ | " | Jul 04 09:48 |
| roy__ | https://twitter.com/deusexstigma/status/617253583919128576 | Jul 04 09:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@deusexstigma: @tecknocrat @schestowitz almost do...transparency bodies like WL..Courage..EFF.et al stand in their way..must be protected or we go down | Jul 04 09:50 | |
| roy__ | Daily Fail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3148791/Fears-Putin-planning-fresh-assault-Ukraine-drone-footage-reveals-build-Russian-tanks-just-10-miles-frontline.html | Jul 04 10:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk | Vladmir Putin 'planning fresh assault' on Ukraine as drone reveals build up of Russian tanks | Daily Mail Online [ http://ur1.ca/mzzc6 ] | Jul 04 10:07 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/617296834332114944 | Jul 04 12:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Any suggestions for a wired ethernet Wi-Fi access point for home use ? @schestowitz | Jul 04 12:55 | |
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| r_schestowitz | > https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/07/01/hundreds-of-dark-web-sites-cloned-and-booby-trapped/ | Jul 04 14:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nakedsecurity.sophos.com | Hundreds of Dark Web sites cloned and “booby trapped” | Naked Security [ http://ur1.ca/mz5d5 ] | Jul 04 14:24 | |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jul 04 14:24 |
| r_schestowitz | > I had also suspected such for a while. Though calling it "dark web" is | Jul 04 14:24 |
| r_schestowitz | > bullshit. The dark web includes anything not indexed by Google and co, | Jul 04 14:24 |
| r_schestowitz | > including all those corporate intranets. | Jul 04 14:24 |
| r_schestowitz | Yes, meaningless words to associate invisibility with crime | Jul 04 14:24 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/617324428502958080 | Jul 04 14:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz I can't believe that you can't watch the EU Parliament proceedings live without Silverlight! Scandalous! | Jul 04 14:30 | |
| r_schestowitz | even in 2015 when Silverlight is officially abandoned for YEARS? | Jul 04 14:31 |
| r_schestowitz | > torrentfreak.com/police-let-seized-pirate-domains-expire-some-up-for-sale-150704/ | Jul 04 14:36 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jul 04 14:36 |
| r_schestowitz | > A dickish move, intentionally destroying confiscated domains without due | Jul 04 14:36 |
| r_schestowitz | > process. | Jul 04 14:36 |
| r_schestowitz | Indeed. | Jul 04 14:36 |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: really worse is just mandoary delete the domain from dns servers. | Jul 04 14:39 |
| oiaohm | Its not like the police have to legally pay when they hold a crime area for investiation. | Jul 04 14:40 |
| r_schestowitz | needs to be due process | Jul 04 14:43 |
| r_schestowitz | or something | Jul 04 14:43 |
| r_schestowitz | otherwise it's ad hoc and arbitrary | Jul 04 14:43 |
| r_schestowitz | like shooting unamed civilians "because I was scared" | Jul 04 14:43 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Leann02/status/617326074284908544 | Jul 04 14:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Leann02: @schestowitz @glynco ty for sharing..I know this goes on in many other places too..it grieves my soul. | Jul 04 14:44 | |
| oiaohm | Australia to cease domain requires a court order | Jul 04 14:44 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/617326734577377280 | Jul 04 14:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz Looks like they've changed it - now it's wmv format. Was Silverlight a couple of years ago... | Jul 04 14:44 | |
| oiaohm | And that legally can be challaged. | Jul 04 14:44 |
| r_schestowitz | oiaohm: aussie follows the british model | Jul 04 14:44 |
| r_schestowitz | in almost everything | Jul 04 14:44 |
| oiaohm | Not everything | Jul 04 14:44 |
| r_schestowitz | if not us model, e.g. when it comes to patents, trade deals | Jul 04 14:44 |
| oiaohm | In patents if you patent is void and it australian patent you do have to refund all claimed money using it. | Jul 04 14:45 |
| oiaohm | So no Australia is not exactly USA either. | Jul 04 14:45 |
| oiaohm | If USA implemented some of the Australian patent laws the trolls would be reduced. | Jul 04 14:45 |
| oiaohm | r_schestowitz: remember its legal to use a lot of mod chip devices in Australia. | Jul 04 14:47 |
| oiaohm | That are illegal in the USA or england. | Jul 04 14:47 |
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| oiaohm | Really one of the costs of the war on terror for Australia is the fact you cannot buy fireworks in the capital any more. | Jul 04 14:58 |
| amarsh04 | only in the Northern Territory | Jul 04 15:01 |
| amarsh04 | the main problem is that people don't oppose "because terrorism" claims by governments | Jul 04 15:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 4/7/2015: Mostly (Geo)Political Catchup | Techrights | Jul 04 16:06 | |
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| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Jul 04 16:28 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/617349736337518592 | Jul 04 16:28 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Leann02/status/617366761105694720 | Jul 04 17:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Leann02: @schestowitz I am sincerely comforted by people like yourselves..I always let Matt know to encourage him. Peace and blessings..:) | Jul 04 17:38 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6299541 | Jul 04 17:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Pirate Bay founders: FBI has #Prenda Law under investigation http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/07/pirate-bay-founders-fbi-has-prenda-law-under-investigation/ as if #fbi upholds the law http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Report-DDoS-service-as-a-legitimate-FBI-approved-business-1867566.html | Jul 04 17:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> arstechnica.com | Pirate Bay founders: FBI has Prenda Law under investigation | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/n0391 ] | Jul 04 17:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.h-online.com | Report: DDoS service as a legitimate, FBI-approved business - The H Security: News and Features [ http://ur1.ca/e02nb ] | Jul 04 17:40 | |
| schestowitz | 'They might punish Prenda to create a perception of enforcement, and justice in copyright law. All of the big publishers have done the same to promote their works and track users with watermarks. That makes our modern, radical copyright laws essentially a tool for public manipulation. Only privileged people are allowed to share and use all of the cultural resonance of broadcast and big publisher promoted music, music, and images. That | Jul 04 17:40 |
| schestowitz | is a very powerful body of work, able to instantly form new memories in people who see them. “Potential troublemakers” who might threaten the revenue of favored companies can be ruined if they are foolish enough to share big publisher garbage.' | Jul 04 17:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: OSS http://t.co/wJ55fbSilW | Jul 04 17:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Jul 04 17:46 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora Pinos to do for Video what PulseAudio | Jul 04 20:19 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/615003702227828736 | Jun 28 03:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: @schestowitz cloudflare? | Jun 28 03:49 | |
| r_schestowitz | over my dead body... | Jun 28 03:50 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/615004393646227456 | Jun 28 03:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: @schestowitz elaborate please? | Jun 28 03:57 | |
| r_schestowitz | mistreats visitors | Jun 28 03:57 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines #ManjaroLinux Cinnamon 0.8.13 Officially | Jun 28 07:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Released with the #Cinnamon 2.6 Desktop | Jun 28 07:19 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Manjaro Linux Cinnamon 0.8.13 Officially Released with the Cinnamon 2.6 Desktop - Softpedia | Jun 28 07:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 24-hours with the Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition: I’m | Jun 28 07:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | going to need some time to adjust | Jun 28 07:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/czXo25U0a5 (thenextweb.com) #linux | Jun 28 07:19 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch to Get a New Thumbnailer and | Jun 28 07:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | WPA-Enterprise Support http://t.co/bY4FmiYFA7 | Jun 28 07:24 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Gets Chromium 43, | Jun 28 07:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Snappy Images Coming Soon | Jun 28 07:24 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Italian makers unveil the Felfil, an open | Jun 28 08:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | source 3d printing filament extruder | Jun 28 08:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Italian makers unveil the Felfil, an open source 3d printing filament extruder | Tux Machines | Jun 28 08:00 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu with Snappy? http://t.co/YNMO6ijTJ9 | Jun 28 09:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Will I Have the Latest Software Versions in Ubuntu with Snappy? | Tux Machines | Jun 28 09:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Will I Have the Latest Software Versions in | Jun 28 09:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu with Snappy? http://t.co/EobeuVTb4o | Jun 28 09:40 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Wanted On Linux, Some Thoughts & Video | Jun 28 09:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Distance Is The Racing Game I Never Knew I Wanted On Linux, Some Thoughts & Video | GamingOnLinux | Jun 28 09:41 | |
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| XRevan86 | schestowitz: pravda.ru != Pravda | Jun 28 10:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux 4.2 Advertises GFS2 Performance | Jun 28 11:06 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux 4.2 Advertises GFS2 Performance | Jun 28 11:06 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.itworld.com/article/2940478/linux/windows-versus-linux-for-businesses.html This is getting interesting | Jun 28 12:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com | Windows versus Linux for businesses | ITworld [ http://ur1.ca/my4hz ] | Jun 28 12:06 | |
| cubexyz | those articles just aren't very good | Jun 28 12:09 |
| cubexyz | it's clear to me that the current software churn is just a waste of time | Jun 28 12:12 |
| cubexyz | more elaborate GUIs, operating systems that end of life after a few years, and closed systems... well it's not very hard to improve on that | Jun 28 12:14 |
| cubexyz | planned obsolescence | Jun 28 12:15 |
| cubexyz | once microsoft added activation to windows, I was out of there | Jun 28 12:18 |
| cubexyz | it's the pre-loads that get to me the most though | Jun 28 12:19 |
| cubexyz | that's why I rarely ever go to a computer store now | Jun 28 12:20 |
| cubexyz | I find it hysterical how we use to do everything imaginable in 64 kb while today you have ot learn 1000 poorly designed methods in some #28one of n#29 language that compiles to many MB's worth of sheer nonsense. The lossy compressed screenshot from the 70's easily takes 200 kb haha | Jun 28 12:34 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: what is interesting is the fact its being talked about as Linux being an option. | Jun 28 12:54 |
| cubexyz | you do recall that businesses used to use PDP-11s? | Jun 28 12:54 |
| cubexyz | I have a list of the different institutions... it's interesting reading | Jun 28 12:55 |
| cubexyz | a lot of medical places, research centres and of course academia | Jun 28 12:56 |
| oiaohm | What do you mean used. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/06/19/nuke_plants_to_keep_pdp11_until_2050/ | Jun 28 12:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Nuke plants to rely on PDP-11 code UNTIL 2050! • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/edeyd ] | Jun 28 12:56 | |
| oiaohm | Some of those horible old designs are very tough. | Jun 28 12:57 |
| cubexyz | you've heard of the DOD? :) | Jun 28 12:59 |
| cubexyz | them too | Jun 28 12:59 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kaatje36/status/615094259159597060 | Jun 28 13:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kaatje36: @schestowitz Same happened rather recently to Malawi :( | Jun 28 13:00 | |
| cubexyz | I made a point of tracking down as much of the Usenix tapes as I could | Jun 28 13:00 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RoodJet/status/615098967521652736 | Jun 28 13:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RoodJet: The 'West' can't leave it be when others have succes. Why the hell they break everything down with their arrogance. https://t.co/yLCOz0f0nL | Jun 28 13:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #IMF and USA set to ruin #Ghana https://t.co/QZrTom9r2P classic enslavement through debt. #africa #imperialism #colonisation | Jun 28 13:00 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/angrymofo/status/615101183636586496 | Jun 28 13:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@angrymofo: @schestowitz How many attacking IP's and what type of DDOS ? iptables can stop layer7 but depends on how many ip's to block. Too many = slow | Jun 28 13:00 | |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, a lot of it was typesetting and text manipulation, not too surprising | Jun 28 13:00 |
| r_schestowitz | too slow to block | Jun 28 13:00 |
| cubexyz | a lot of what is considered standard now was part of an aggregation process that started long ago | Jun 28 13:01 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/angrymofo/status/615101776400781312 | Jun 28 13:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@angrymofo: @schestowitz I held off >10k IP's for weeks once using iptables and a rolling db of the last 10k bad IP's. User agent enabled ID of bad IP's | Jun 28 13:02 | |
| r_schestowitz | that's like blocking the whole of AWS | Jun 28 13:02 |
| cubexyz | graphing utilties, and there's still tons of source code I haven't looked at yet | Jun 28 13:02 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/haniefhaider/status/615106432334209024 | Jun 28 13:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@haniefhaider: #Ghana had the best public utility in #Africa... until the IMF arrived... https://t.co/zxAT0Y6F1r. #imperialism #Greece via @schestowitz | Jun 28 13:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.craigmurray.org.uk | Craig Murray » Blog Archive » IMF and USA set to ruin Ghana | Jun 28 13:03 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/615133790201982976 | Jun 28 13:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz We'd all be better off if the Fortune 500 blacklisted Microsoft, Apple, Adobe, and Oracle. | Jun 28 13:05 | |
| cubexyz | there was big talk about Linux back in 2000 | Jun 28 13:07 |
| cubexyz | probably even before that | Jun 28 13:07 |
| oiaohm | I got into Linux from BSD in 1995 | Jun 28 13:07 |
| MinceR | i got into GNU/Linux from winblows somewhen around 2000 | Jun 28 13:08 |
| oiaohm | So there was a lot of write up from 1995 to 2002 then it died down. | Jun 28 13:08 |
| cubexyz | 2015 and it's still a novelty to consider Linux for business use? Surely we are passed that point | Jun 28 13:08 |
| cubexyz | quasar has been used for point of sale for quite a while now | Jun 28 13:09 |
| cubexyz | I think the DOD even has their own distro now | Jun 28 13:10 |
| oiaohm | Issue is basic. | Jun 28 13:11 |
| cubexyz | http://spi.dod.mil/LPS-Public_for_DoD.htm | Jun 28 13:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-spi.dod.mil | LPS-Public [ http://ur1.ca/my4x4 ] | Jun 28 13:11 | |
| oiaohm | Reality in 2000 it was believe that the graphics issues on Linux would be fixed. | Jun 28 13:11 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_GLX cubexyz this project was seen that it would lead to solving the issues. | Jun 28 13:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Utah GLX - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Jun 28 13:14 | |
| oiaohm | The hard reality is while Linux desktop envornement fails based security requirements its progress was always limited. | Jun 28 13:14 |
| cubexyz | I know that in the late 80s U of Waterloo was running SunOS in the computer lab | Jun 28 13:15 |
| cubexyz | so we've had the *nix stuff working for some time | Jun 28 13:15 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, that GLX stuff looks quite old | Jun 28 13:16 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: question do you use NVIDIA drivers under Linux. | Jun 28 13:17 |
| cubexyz | my server does | Jun 28 13:17 |
| oiaohm | If you do you are using code from Utah GLX | Jun 28 13:17 |
| cubexyz | sure, glxgears | Jun 28 13:18 |
| cubexyz | but it's mainly just a web server :) | Jun 28 13:18 |
| oiaohm | At that point in history Nvidia developers were willing to work with everyone else. | Jun 28 13:18 |
| cubexyz | I have a bunch of different video chipsets here | Jun 28 13:18 |
| oiaohm | That ends 2002 | Jun 28 13:18 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: do you not notice to use Nvidia you load glx not dri. | Jun 28 13:19 |
| oiaohm | There are complains from x.org for having to support historic interfaces so Nvidia drivers works. | Jun 28 13:20 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, I think on some of my computers it loads both dri and glx | Jun 28 13:21 |
| cubexyz | on the nvidia one it's just glx | Jun 28 13:21 |
| cubexyz | it's been a while since I've looked at xfree86 stuff | Jun 28 13:21 |
| oiaohm | newer driver design use dri | Jun 28 13:22 |
| cubexyz | in the module section it seems to load both on most of my boxes | Jun 28 13:22 |
| oiaohm | glx interface forwarding to dri has to be provided for old programs. | Jun 28 13:23 |
| cubexyz | old programs such as...? | Jun 28 13:24 |
| oiaohm | http://us.download.nvidia.com/solaris/180.51/README/chapter-03.html | Jun 28 13:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-us.download.nvidia.com | Chapter 3. Configuring X for the NVIDIA Driver [ http://ur1.ca/my50t ] | Jun 28 13:25 | |
| oiaohm | But the forward is GLcore module. | Jun 28 13:25 |
| oiaohm | Not the GLX module. | Jun 28 13:25 |
| oiaohm | A lot of people are not aware of how old of code the Nvidia binary blob forks off at. | Jun 28 13:26 |
| oiaohm | Of course when the Nvidia guys pull up stumps from Utah GLX so did ATI and every other major vendor. | Jun 28 13:27 |
| oiaohm | Then 8 years from 2002 to 2010 does graphics in Linux go back to not being a major interest to major video card makers. | Jun 28 13:27 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: please note its interesting how little difference there is in X.org configuration for Nvidia between Linux, bsd and Solaris | Jun 28 13:28 |
| cubexyz | I definitely remember running quake and descent on Linux many moons ago | Jun 28 13:29 |
| cubexyz | I honestly can't recall any problems with the video | Jun 28 13:29 |
| cubexyz | ran most of the Loki games as well | Jun 28 13:29 |
| oiaohm | problem is not making stuff run cubexyz | Jun 28 13:29 |
| oiaohm | Its the security sides. | Jun 28 13:29 |
| oiaohm | Like implementing Secure Attention Key to make sure keyboard logins are valid. | Jun 28 13:30 |
| cubexyz | and yet the DOD has a distro :) | Jun 28 13:30 |
| oiaohm | True but that distrobution does not run Nvidia. | Jun 28 13:31 |
| MinceR | what use is SAK if you're not at the console? | Jun 28 13:33 |
| MinceR | and what use is pretending you're secure when someone is at the console, so has physical access to the computer? | Jun 28 13:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: SAK is ment to work for console and graphical. | Jun 28 13:33 |
| oiaohm | SAK is a preventive method to applications creating fake login screens. | Jun 28 13:33 |
| cubexyz | can't they just add some biometric security thing? | Jun 28 13:33 |
| MinceR | i meant having access to a display and keyboard plugged directly into the computer | Jun 28 13:34 |
| cubexyz | keyboard doesn't work until you press you thumb or do a retina scan... | Jun 28 13:34 |
| MinceR | biometric authentication is mostly security theater. | Jun 28 13:34 |
| MinceR | especially fingerprint-based | Jun 28 13:34 |
| oiaohm | Even when you have physical access a program can attempt to display a fake login screen to get login details to go higher. | Jun 28 13:34 |
| oiaohm | This is preventing a class of internal attack. | Jun 28 13:34 |
| oiaohm | fingerprint scaners are worthless because fingerprints are too simple to get and replicate. | Jun 28 13:35 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jun 28 13:35 |
| oiaohm | Blood vessel scanners are in fact safer. | Jun 28 13:36 |
| cubexyz | put the computers in a secure area | Jun 28 13:36 |
| cubexyz | seems like a simple problem to solve | Jun 28 13:36 |
| oiaohm | Something to remember about biometrics if the subject does not have to be alive for them to work attackers might just kill subject. | Jun 28 13:36 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: please note I said internal attack. | Jun 28 13:36 |
| oiaohm | This is where sometrust to a limit amount to access the computer is attempting to get higher access. | Jun 28 13:37 |
| MinceR | what happens if you press [Ctrl+]Alt+SysRq+k on nvidia? | Jun 28 13:38 |
| cubexyz | right, there were some login shenanigans on early unix | Jun 28 13:38 |
| cubexyz | but obviously the problems weren't that bad | Jun 28 13:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: nothing good. Same issue happens like when you switch to console and back again with nvidia. The Nvidia closed soruce driver locks up. | Jun 28 13:38 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, businesses were running stuff on msdos and it definitely wasn't secure at all :) | Jun 28 13:40 |
| cubexyz | floppies had viruses | Jun 28 13:40 |
| MinceR | businesses were running stuff on windows and that isn't secure either | Jun 28 13:40 |
| cubexyz | it's not like we ever had super-duper security | Jun 28 13:40 |
| oiaohm | Recent years Nvidia has got better but 2010 and before switching from Framebuffer and back was more fatel. | Jun 28 13:40 |
| MinceR | we like the illusion of super-duper security, though | Jun 28 13:40 |
| oiaohm | This is a checklist of security features. | Jun 28 13:41 |
| oiaohm | Windows techically has working SAK. | Jun 28 13:41 |
| MinceR | i mostly had luck with nvidia | Jun 28 13:41 |
| MinceR | except when hibernating or suspending | Jun 28 13:41 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: notice the except. | Jun 28 13:41 |
| oiaohm | Business want hibernating and suspending for laptops on the move. | Jun 28 13:41 |
| MinceR | switching to text console and back tended to work | Jun 28 13:41 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: at my last job, the IT department told me to not use hibernate or suspend on windows because it was a miracle if it worked. | Jun 28 13:42 |
| cubexyz | why not just shutdown when you need to? | Jun 28 13:42 |
| cubexyz | it's a laptop after all | Jun 28 13:42 |
| MinceR | (i still used it because i was lazy, and it tended to work) | Jun 28 13:42 |
| MinceR | also, why do business laptops have nvidia GPU? | Jun 28 13:43 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: windows has about a 1 in 10 device failure rate with hibernate or suspend. | Jun 28 13:43 |
| MinceR | the ones i saw had intel. | Jun 28 13:43 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: what has Linux performance been with Intel hardware. | Jun 28 13:43 |
| MinceR | i guess in this case i was lucky with windows (as opposed to the usual case) | Jun 28 13:43 |
| oiaohm | Dead dog right MinceR | Jun 28 13:43 |
| oiaohm | Until recently. | Jun 28 13:43 |
| MinceR | depends on the use case | Jun 28 13:43 |
| MinceR | most business use cases don't need a powerful GPU. | Jun 28 13:44 |
| cubexyz | sounds crappy all round then re: suspending | Jun 28 13:44 |
| oiaohm | business cases don't need a higher powerful GPU is true but needing one that works a bit. | Jun 28 13:44 |
| MinceR | also, i could buy a ThinkPad with an intel GPU that's more powerful than my quadro fx 2700m :> | Jun 28 13:44 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: Linux suspend issue was a 1 in 3. | Jun 28 13:45 |
| MinceR | all the intel GPUs i had worked reliably, including the GMA 900 in my netbook. | Jun 28 13:45 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: but that si getting better. | Jun 28 13:45 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, I've suspending over 100 times on my HP | Jun 28 13:45 |
| cubexyz | suspended | Jun 28 13:45 |
| MinceR | and on those suspend almost always works | Jun 28 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Note the terible I am talking about is 2010 and before. | Jun 28 13:45 |
| oiaohm | We have seen some major changes since then. | Jun 28 13:46 |
| cubexyz | 273 days uptime too | Jun 28 13:46 |
| cubexyz | which isn't bad | Jun 28 13:46 |
| MinceR | (6 months or more with ~2 daily suspends without issue) | Jun 28 13:46 |
| MinceR | ic | Jun 28 13:46 |
| cubexyz | good enough I'd say | Jun 28 13:46 |
| oiaohm | Linux being terible from 2002 to 2010 makes lot of business edgy touching Linux. | Jun 28 13:46 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, the wall wart had a loose connection, otherwise the uptime would have been longer | Jun 28 13:47 |
| MinceR | i think i had that netbook before 2010 | Jun 28 13:47 |
| MinceR | funny thing is, windows was always worse | Jun 28 13:47 |
| oiaohm | Really I am look forward to Wayland. | Jun 28 13:48 |
| MinceR | i'm not a fan but i have a plan to salvage it | Jun 28 13:48 |
| MinceR | i think i can extend kde's implementation with the missing features and modularity | Jun 28 13:48 |
| oiaohm | Once that is in place a lot of checkboxes on the security list can mark it. | Jun 28 13:48 |
| MinceR | also, maybe they'll get a clue and add the missing features to the protocol | Jun 28 13:49 |
| oiaohm | Wayland protocol is way more complete than X11 was/is. | Jun 28 13:49 |
| MinceR | where's pointer grap and pointer warp? | Jun 28 13:49 |
| cubexyz | I think motif has that :) | Jun 28 13:51 |
| cubexyz | umm, grab at least | Jun 28 13:51 |
| MinceR | motif works on x11, not wayland | Jun 28 13:52 |
| oiaohm | pointer grap and warp is being worked on under Libinput | Jun 28 13:52 |
| MinceR | that sounds like a hack | Jun 28 13:52 |
| MinceR | why isn't it in the protocol? | Jun 28 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Nop | Jun 28 13:52 |
| cubexyz | which distros use wayland? | Jun 28 13:53 |
| cubexyz | Ubuntu I suppose | Jun 28 13:54 |
| oiaohm | Wayland protocol is not about input or output that much at all MinceR. But device access. | Jun 28 13:55 |
| MinceR | ic | Jun 28 13:55 |
| oiaohm | Like wayland does not define how direct rendering of opengl works. | Jun 28 13:55 |
| MinceR | what devices? just the GPU or also input devices? | Jun 28 13:55 |
| oiaohm | With GPU it just wants to know what buffers application wants displayed and where. So most of what the GPU device does wayland has no interest in. With input what devices the user application should see/not see. | Jun 28 13:57 |
| oiaohm | Calcution of input corrections and the like under wayland are the application side. | Jun 28 13:57 |
| oiaohm | This is a lot more compadible with giving applications timesilces and them being able to process everything they need even if the wayland compositor gets no cpu time. | Jun 28 13:58 |
| MinceR | who decides which application gets input? | Jun 28 13:58 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Ubuntu Next uses Mir. | Jun 28 13:59 |
| MinceR | i thought they gave up on mir already | Jun 28 14:00 |
| oiaohm | Something to remember a wayland application can run without a compositor. Techically the top application what you normally expect to be the compositor decides what applications are able to see input. | Jun 28 14:00 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Nope, still Mir. | Jun 28 14:01 |
| XRevan86 | Mir, trud, mai :). | Jun 28 14:01 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu is not even willing to give up on Mir even after Intel pulled support. | Jun 28 14:01 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you also have to remeber libinput is planed to be shared between wayland and x.org. So why implement a stack of things twice. | Jun 28 14:03 |
| oiaohm | Even Mir is planing on using libinput. | Jun 28 14:03 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: It already works on X.org and breaks by touchpad :). | Jun 28 14:03 |
| oiaohm | its the one place where all the graphical systems feature cross. | Jun 28 14:03 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: libinput fixes some touchpads with x.org as well. | Jun 28 14:04 |
| oiaohm | libinput has been a real mixed bag | Jun 28 14:04 |
| XRevan86 | Well, I have a plain synaptics. | Jun 28 14:04 |
| XRevan86 | so I'm in a majority here | Jun 28 14:05 |
| oiaohm | Turns out some of the synaptics have also had issues that the libinput configuration allows to be fixed as well. XRevan86 this is why I say mixed bag. | Jun 28 14:07 |
| MinceR | hopefully it will stabilize eventually | Jun 28 14:07 |
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| oiaohm | I knew there was something I forgot there is one thing Wayland is having a insane time implementing. Its something that soulds so simple copy paste. | Jun 29 03:36 |
| oiaohm | sould/sounds | Jun 29 03:37 |
| cubexyz | no distro seems to use wayland | Jun 29 03:37 |
| oiaohm | Fedora does on compadible systems for login screen. | Jun 29 03:38 |
| oiaohm | Debian has wayland in main repository as optional. | Jun 29 03:39 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: GDM and a few other login managers can operately fully just using wayland. So X11 is only kicked up in the user session. | Jun 29 03:41 |
| oiaohm | So the change over to wayland has started cubexyz just slow and carefully. | Jun 29 03:41 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: also you have to remember sailfish OS uses wayland at core for everything. | Jun 29 03:43 |
| oiaohm | sailfish has no xwayland. | Jun 29 03:44 |
| cubexyz | I remember basic linux had xvesa but I don't think any other distro uses that | Jun 29 03:46 |
| oiaohm | Debian has had xvesa | Jun 29 03:48 |
| oiaohm | Knoppix discs loved using it. | Jun 29 03:48 |
| cubexyz | I wanted to study the history of the X Window System | Jun 29 03:49 |
| cubexyz | got some X10R4 code | Jun 29 03:49 |
| cubexyz | xwm.c was so tiny | Jun 29 03:50 |
| cubexyz | played around with the idea of porting xwm.c but I didn't get too far | Jun 29 03:50 |
| oiaohm | You would not | Jun 29 03:51 |
| oiaohm | a lot of the apis that early xwm used are gone. | Jun 29 03:51 |
| oiaohm | Because they were broken so badly its not funny. | Jun 29 03:51 |
| cubexyz | actually I did compile xwm.c but it was on quasijarus and I couldn't run it | Jun 29 03:52 |
| cubexyz | so I do have the early APIs | Jun 29 03:53 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly do you know the method of removing X11 API. | Jun 29 03:53 |
| oiaohm | Break the API and see if anyone complains in 3 years. | Jun 29 03:53 |
| oiaohm | Then delete it. | Jun 29 03:53 |
| oiaohm | So some of those old programs will build but the API ABI side does not work. | Jun 29 03:54 |
| cubexyz | I was interested in seeing now small a window manager could be in terms of lines of code but still be usable | Jun 29 03:54 |
| oiaohm | ever seen ratposion cubexyz | Jun 29 03:55 |
| cubexyz | yes | Jun 29 03:55 |
| oiaohm | That is about as small as you can get. | Jun 29 03:55 |
| cubexyz | didn't like it :) | Jun 29 03:55 |
| oiaohm | ratposion is a little on the small side. | Jun 29 03:55 |
| cubexyz | the idea was interesting but... it just didn't seem usable | Jun 29 03:55 |
| oiaohm | Cutting away mouse operating and reducing to keyboard removes a huge stack of operations. | Jun 29 03:56 |
| cubexyz | you might have seen this: | Jun 29 03:57 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/compare-all-wms.png | Jun 29 03:57 |
| cubexyz | tinywm was also unusable | Jun 29 03:58 |
| cubexyz | so far I mostly use icewm | Jun 29 03:59 |
| cubexyz | dwm is pretty small | Jun 29 04:01 |
| oiaohm | The closer to a bare min wm you get the more configuration you have todo. | Jun 29 04:01 |
| oiaohm | TWM is normally the smallest I go. | Jun 29 04:02 |
| oiaohm | But once you add on pagers and everything else to be functional those bar min windows managers start getting a lot larger. | Jun 29 04:03 |
| oiaohm | TWM configured usable and awesome take up about the same ammount of space. | Jun 29 04:05 |
| cubexyz | trying to remember what file to edit to add a new wm | Jun 29 04:09 |
| cubexyz | I added it to .xinitrc but there's another thing... | Jun 29 04:10 |
| oiaohm | wm list is ?dm releated. | Jun 29 04:13 |
| cubexyz | mod1 == alt? | Jun 29 04:14 |
| cubexyz | guess it does | Jun 29 04:14 |
| cubexyz | ugh, I can't move windows | Jun 29 04:15 |
| cubexyz | ah, there we go | Jun 29 04:16 |
| cubexyz | everything seems based on using the alt key to do anything | Jun 29 04:19 |
| cubexyz | impressive small 28,832 bytes | Jun 29 04:19 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: what are you playing with. | Jun 29 04:20 |
| cubexyz | definitely old school, complete with troff man page | Jun 29 04:20 |
| cubexyz | dwm | Jun 29 04:20 |
| cubexyz | if you wanted a micro-distro that would be a good addition :) | Jun 29 04:21 |
| oiaohm | I remember why I don't use it. Keyboard alt key dominates does not agree with a lot of programs I uese. | Jun 29 04:21 |
| oiaohm | alt key to move windows lines up with alt key do a operation in blender. | Jun 29 04:22 |
| oiaohm | That is also the problem with some of the really compact wm X11 applicaitons are not design to get along with them. | Jun 29 04:22 |
| cubexyz | yeah there's no .dwmrc which is a bit of a pain | Jun 29 04:23 |
| cubexyz | one adjusts dwm by recompiling | Jun 29 04:23 |
| oiaohm | Yes processing configuration file equals more ram usage. | Jun 29 04:24 |
| oiaohm | Basically really compact wm for X11 totally lacks flexablity. | Jun 29 04:24 |
| cubexyz | what do you normally use? | Jun 29 04:25 |
| oiaohm | Normally kde | Jun 29 04:25 |
| oiaohm | But I have large ram so KDE foot print does not bother me at all. | Jun 29 04:25 |
| oiaohm | Mind you KDE memory fort print is better than Windows 8.0 and 8.1 | Jun 29 04:27 |
| oiaohm | So even the worst X11 Wm is not that horible. | Jun 29 04:27 |
| cubexyz | let me see your htop :) | Jun 29 04:27 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/icewm-htop.png | Jun 29 04:30 |
| cubexyz | comfortable with 512 meg, firefox is the biggest memory pig | Jun 29 04:31 |
| oiaohm | Please note virt is not used ammount. | Jun 29 04:33 |
| oiaohm | My plasma dekstop is reading 3.5 G virt but only 180 used. | Jun 29 04:33 |
| oiaohm | KDE really need to learn to deallocate. | Jun 29 04:34 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: I have a lot running on my system. htop shows paths to suff I should not show in public. | Jun 29 04:35 |
| cubexyz | ok, np | Jun 29 04:35 |
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| cubexyz | probably the openbsd is the most efficient | Jun 29 04:37 |
| cubexyz | openbsd box | Jun 29 04:37 |
| cubexyz | I do love those coloured tabs in konsole | Jun 29 04:38 |
| cubexyz | as you can see, I'm using parts of KDE still | Jun 29 04:38 |
| cubexyz | I thought KDE was a bit overly elaborate | Jun 29 04:39 |
| oiaohm | plasma desktop is 3512M vit 187 Res and 69180 shared | Jun 29 04:39 |
| oiaohm | And that is over 4 processes with 3 process that after kde is started never use a bit of cpu time again. | Jun 29 04:40 |
| oiaohm | kde is a true pig. | Jun 29 04:40 |
| cubexyz | did you know you can do / searches in htop, quite handy | Jun 29 04:41 |
| oiaohm | I locked htop to sort by pid | Jun 29 04:42 |
| cubexyz | l lists open files for that process | Jun 29 04:42 |
| oiaohm | The Res value is the real memory it using. | Jun 29 04:43 |
| cubexyz | efficient text/ncurses interface | Jun 29 04:43 |
| oiaohm | Over all my system only has 4.5G in use. | Jun 29 04:43 |
| oiaohm | If all the virtual was allocated I would need something like 100G | Jun 29 04:43 |
| cubexyz | is there a config file for htop? | Jun 29 04:43 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: bash alias command. | Jun 29 04:44 |
| oiaohm | To force command line option. | Jun 29 04:44 |
| cubexyz | htop --sort-key PID | Jun 29 04:45 |
| cubexyz | actually I think htop --sort-key Command might be better | Jun 29 04:46 |
| cubexyz | don't see any advantage sorting by PID | Jun 29 04:46 |
| oiaohm | PID is set because it useful when needrestart reports. | Jun 29 04:47 |
| oiaohm | Basically I have needrestart on by debian that restarts any service that is running old files and list stuff. | Jun 29 04:48 |
| oiaohm | I do like that htop supports f6 to charge the sort after you are in. | Jun 29 04:49 |
| oiaohm | My biggest memory hog is iceweasel. | Jun 29 04:49 |
| oiaohm | Followed by chrome. | Jun 29 04:49 |
| oiaohm | KDE is quite small on memory usaged compared to most browsers. | Jun 29 04:50 |
| oiaohm | Please note porting KDE applications to Windows. KDE huge memory allocations become a big problem. | Jun 29 04:50 |
| oiaohm | Because Windows really allocates everything. | Jun 29 04:50 |
| cubexyz | it's because everyone tries to do everything in the browser which is silly | Jun 29 04:51 |
| cubexyz | I have no problem download video files | Jun 29 04:52 |
| cubexyz | s/download/downloading/ | Jun 29 04:52 |
| oiaohm | OS X, Linux, BSD all can run kde applications without memory problems due to the idea of virtual allocations. | Jun 29 04:52 |
| oiaohm | Ie only give application memory when it really uses what it has asked for idea. | Jun 29 04:52 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: libreoffice uses more than KDE. | Jun 29 04:53 |
| oiaohm | KDE on a 8G system is lucky to come up to 4percent memory usage. | Jun 29 04:53 |
| oiaohm | Of course that is under Linux. | Jun 29 04:53 |
| oiaohm | Now run it under windows say ouch. | Jun 29 04:54 |
| oiaohm | Yes there is a KDE for windows project 16G of ram is kinda a bare min. | Jun 29 04:54 |
| cubexyz | good grief | Jun 29 04:54 |
| cubexyz | I think using GUIs for everything makes people dumber | Jun 29 04:56 |
| cubexyz | they can't remember the names of directories | Jun 29 04:56 |
| oiaohm | not really. you are presume people did that in the first place. | Jun 29 04:56 |
| oiaohm | I remember seeing walls and walls of paper stuck up with instructions in the dos age. | Jun 29 04:57 |
| cubexyz | well _I_ did :) | Jun 29 04:57 |
| oiaohm | So not remembering names of directories is nothing new. | Jun 29 04:57 |
| cubexyz | i still can remember most directory names | Jun 29 04:57 |
| oiaohm | I can too cubexyz | Jun 29 04:57 |
| oiaohm | But the reality we are the minority. | Jun 29 04:57 |
| oiaohm | the majority are idiots. | Jun 29 04:57 |
| oiaohm | or not interested. | Jun 29 04:58 |
| oiaohm | really like cubexyz how often do you see a password on a sticky note on a screen. | Jun 29 04:58 |
| cubexyz | surely they put it on the monitor's bezel? :) | Jun 29 04:59 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: hopefully. | Jun 29 04:59 |
| oiaohm | I have seen some just stuck in the right hand top corner because they never use that bit of the screen | Jun 29 04:59 |
| oiaohm | Those people know how to use alt f4 to close windows. | Jun 29 05:00 |
| oiaohm | or close them by the taskbar. | Jun 29 05:00 |
| cubexyz | haha | Jun 29 05:00 |
| oiaohm | GUI has not exactly made them dumber as they were not that bright in the first place. | Jun 29 05:00 |
| oiaohm | Just has reduced the ammount of office litter. | Jun 29 05:01 |
| cubexyz | the "paperless" office | Jun 29 05:02 |
| oiaohm | Part of getting to a paperless office is good GUI. | Jun 29 05:02 |
| oiaohm | Other part is making something that can store data long term as good as paper. | Jun 29 05:02 |
| oiaohm | Neither of these problems have we really solved. | Jun 29 05:03 |
| cubexyz | yes, the restoration of the Unix version 1 kernel was only possible because one guy had printed all the code | Jun 29 05:03 |
| cubexyz | m-disc claims it will last 1000 years | Jun 29 05:05 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: will the drive? | Jun 29 05:05 |
| cubexyz | no doubt it :) | Jun 29 05:05 |
| cubexyz | I doubt it | Jun 29 05:05 |
| cubexyz | no way | Jun 29 05:05 |
| oiaohm | Really I think bar codes printed on paper compacting the data could be the way forwards. | Jun 29 05:05 |
| oiaohm | Ok it would be hard for a human to read manually but it would not be impossible. | Jun 29 05:06 |
| cubexyz | I doubt it would last 20 years | Jun 29 05:06 |
| cubexyz | none of my cdroms from the early 1990s still work | Jun 29 05:06 |
| oiaohm | I have one cdrom drive from 1994 that works. | Jun 29 05:07 |
| cubexyz | I haven't had any success fixing cdrom drives either | Jun 29 05:08 |
| oiaohm | That is out of 400 | Jun 29 05:08 |
| cubexyz | ok, but is it a burner? | Jun 29 05:08 |
| cubexyz | those don't last too long | Jun 29 05:08 |
| oiaohm | No its only a reader. | Jun 29 05:08 |
| oiaohm | This was a drive that was used for 10+ years before being taken out of service. | Jun 29 05:08 |
| cubexyz | so they have stopped making ide drives, I'm a bit screwed | Jun 29 05:09 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Jun 29 05:09 |
| oiaohm | There are converts that convert from ide to sata and sata to ide. | Jun 29 05:09 |
| cubexyz | my Amiga needs SCSI 50 pin | Jun 29 05:09 |
| cubexyz | but I think there's some CF thing that can be converted | Jun 29 05:10 |
| cubexyz | people aren't thinking long term, it's 4 years then dump it | Jun 29 05:10 |
| oiaohm | There is a SCSI 80 pin to sata | Jun 29 05:11 |
| oiaohm | Yes you can use a cable from SCSI 50 to 80pin | Jun 29 05:11 |
| oiaohm | sata dvd /bluray drives access scsi commands. | Jun 29 05:12 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I do a bit of making some of these odd machines work using modern hardware so they can be used on display. | Jun 29 05:12 |
| oiaohm | Yes you don't want to be wearing the collectable drives. | Jun 29 05:12 |
| oiaohm | There are horible things as solid state floppy drive emulators. | Jun 29 05:14 |
| oiaohm | So some of the collectable display machines set up if you turned up with a real historic floppy disc for the machine you would find you could not use it as they don't have the drive. | Jun 29 05:14 |
| cubexyz | "Premininary Unix Implementation Document June 1972" it was | Jun 29 05:16 |
| cubexyz | that was printed out | Jun 29 05:16 |
| cubexyz | T. R. Bashkow | Jun 29 05:16 |
| cubexyz | worthy of rememberance | Jun 29 05:16 |
| oiaohm | I have to get going. | Jun 29 05:17 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Is Google the New Microsoft? | Jun 29 07:07 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/mycsp | Jun 29 07:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Is Google the New Microsoft? | Tux Machines | Jun 29 07:07 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Meet Nova OS, Cuba's National Ubuntu-Based | Jun 29 08:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Operating System http://t.co/W0Um2YJGSx | Jun 29 08:05 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/myd7y | Jun 29 08:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Meet Nova OS, Cuba's National Ubuntu-Based Linux Operating System | Tux Machines | Jun 29 08:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tiny Core 6.1 Raspberry Pi Edition Comes with | Jun 29 08:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Kernel 3.18.10 LTS http://t.co/pvMZwq9ooD | Jun 29 08:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tiny Core 6.1 Raspberry Pi Edition Comes with Linux Kernel 3.18.10 LTS | Tux Machines | Jun 29 08:05 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LINUX, RUBY AND WEB CODING LAB FOR GRADUATE | Jun 29 08:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | TRAINEES OPENS AT SCI-BONO | Jun 29 08:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LINUX, RUBY AND WEB CODING LAB FOR GRADUATE TRAINEES OPENS AT SCI-BONO | Tux Machines | Jun 29 08:05 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Galicia publishes open source tools | Jun 29 11:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/3Y8nDmVAcd (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jun 29 11:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/myesl | Jun 29 11:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Galicia publishes open source tools | Tux Machines | Jun 29 11:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus Gets Daily ISOs, Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS, | Jun 29 11:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and More http://t.co/jXvo3fijnh | Jun 29 11:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Jun 29 11:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Solus Gets Daily ISOs, Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS, and More | Tux Machines | Jun 29 11:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/myesm | Jun 29 11:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Aragon publishes updates of eGovernment | Jun 29 11:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | software http://t.co/qByVrX5ZPX | Jun 29 11:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Aragon publishes updates of eGovernment software | Tux Machines | Jun 29 11:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/myesn | Jun 29 11:21 |
| roy__ | > | Jun 29 11:35 |
| roy__ | > http://fossforce.com/2015/06/is-google-the-new-microsoft/ | Jun 29 11:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Is Google the New Microsoft? | FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/myex2 ] | Jun 29 11:35 | |
| roy__ | > | Jun 29 11:35 |
| roy__ | > Revisionism especially that closing sentence. People hate M$ not for | Jun 29 11:35 |
| roy__ | > the sake of hating M$ but because of how it (and its people) behaves and | Jun 29 11:35 |
| roy__ | > has behaved. It has held computing back at least 20 years and the | Jun 29 11:35 |
| roy__ | > damage spreads into all domains where desktop computers are used. | Jun 29 11:35 |
| roy__ | I don't want to pick on Christine because she has been kind to us and we usually agree with her. She also defended DRM and other nasty things at times, but diversity of opinion sometimes needs to be tolerated. | Jun 29 11:35 |
| oiaohm | Google has the possiblity of being the next Microsofit but Google is not getting their own way all the time with OEMs | Jun 29 11:41 |
| cubexyz | there's more diversity now | Jun 29 11:50 |
| cubexyz | there used to be Commodore/Atari/Radio Shack/etc | Jun 29 11:50 |
| cubexyz | we're going back to a more diverse ecosystem | Jun 29 11:50 |
| oiaohm | Reality a large percentage of the commodore/atari/Radio shack/etc was fake diversety. | Jun 29 11:51 |
| oiaohm | People forget how often those machines were Microsoft basic. | Jun 29 11:51 |
| cubexyz | z80/68000/6502/286 | Jun 29 11:52 |
| roy__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6282326 | Jun 29 11:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #SandsCasino and #SheldonAdelson are "job creators" in the same sense that Pharaoh was. Building useless vanity for self indulgence. | Jun 29 11:53 | |
| roy__ | "guess with enough money you're entitled to some Pharaoh complex, helps them contrast their memento mori - at least he went "all in" and finished it." | Jun 29 11:53 |
| cubexyz | amigados, xenix, msdos, gem, etc | Jun 29 11:53 |
| roy__ | Maybe he wants to be buried there, or cremated like the tyrant of singapore whom he supported, then preserved in some pot in the casino... | Jun 29 11:53 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: xenix is microsoft. gem form memory was on top of MSdos. | Jun 29 11:54 |
| cubexyz | no one was using microsoft basic on amiga oiaohm | Jun 29 11:54 |
| cubexyz | it sucked | Jun 29 11:54 |
| roy__ | today I heard about someone from Microsoft dumped .NET | Jun 29 11:54 |
| roy__ | moving to C++ | Jun 29 11:54 |
| cubexyz | GEM was digital research | Jun 29 11:54 |
| roy__ | perhaps Microsoft too realises that C# is rubbish | Jun 29 11:54 |
| roy__ | and will pay more for people who do C++ | Jun 29 11:54 |
| cubexyz | hardly fair to call it a Microsoft product | Jun 29 11:54 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaBASIC | Jun 29 11:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | AmigaBASIC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Jun 29 11:55 | |
| cubexyz | sysv xenix was SCO by that time | Jun 29 11:55 |
| cubexyz | microsoft product no longer | Jun 29 11:55 |
| cubexyz | and the true originator was Bell Labs | Jun 29 11:56 |
| cubexyz | not Microsoft | Jun 29 11:56 |
| cubexyz | Microsoft merely licensed Unix v7 | Jun 29 11:56 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenix Xenix brand is Microsoft. | Jun 29 11:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Xenix - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Jun 29 11:57 | |
| oiaohm | SCO licensed right to distrubite it for a while before making their own. | Jun 29 11:57 |
| oiaohm | The reality is back then cubexyz Microsoft was a lot more diversified company. | Jun 29 12:00 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft is slowly becoming a 1 trick pony. | Jun 29 12:00 |
| cubexyz | I'm not saying Xenix was all that great | Jun 29 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Garry's Mod and Rust Dev Say Linux Is a Second | Jun 29 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Class Citizen http://t.co/THDectGolx | Jun 29 12:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Garry's Mod and Rust Dev Say Linux Is a Second Class Citizen - Softpedia | Jun 29 12:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Jun 29 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/myf4x | Jun 29 12:00 |
| cubexyz | closed source and all that | Jun 29 12:00 |
| cubexyz | Xenix was never a microsoft thing when I was using it | Jun 29 12:01 |
| cubexyz | they bailed out to work on OS/2 with IBM, then bailed out on OS/2 | Jun 29 12:02 |
| roy__ | https://twitter.com/Reconquista1970/status/615491388478726144 | Jun 29 12:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Reconquista1970: @schestowitz After the events of last week, what we badly need is more,"Mosques". | Jun 29 12:06 | |
| roy__ | That's not the core issue, I guess, they can build their mosque in another place, not in the same site as a to-be-demolished church | Jun 29 12:07 |
| cubexyz | it's interesting that Gates was blah blah blahing at Unix Expo and never mentioned Linux once | Jun 29 12:09 |
| cubexyz | but i know Linux was starting to hit Universities in 1994 | Jun 29 12:09 |
| oiaohm | Unix conferences Linux was not to be mentioned to at least year 2000. | Jun 29 12:10 |
| oiaohm | Please not BSD was also in that camp of not talk about. | Jun 29 12:10 |
| cubexyz | ha | Jun 29 12:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "The statistics collection feature of | Jun 29 12:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | KActivities is slowly becoming a core part of | Jun 29 12:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Plasma." http://t.co/9WNtQPzWlw (cukic.co) | Jun 29 12:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cukic.co | Ivan Čukić | "Private browsing mode" for activities | Jun 29 12:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/myf92 | Jun 29 12:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Solus Gets Daily ISOs, Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS, | Jun 29 12:12 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and More http://t.co/OEg5wRKYi3 | Jun 29 12:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Solus Gets Daily ISOs, Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS, and More - Softpedia | Jun 29 12:12 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Jun 29 12:12 |
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| cubexyz | pretty sure I saw RedHat 5.2 retail box in stores | Jun 29 12:12 |
| cubexyz | november 1998 | Jun 29 12:12 |
| cubexyz | so it was definitely around | Jun 29 12:12 |
| cubexyz | and I'll prove that I had freebsd back in 1995: | Jun 29 12:13 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/freebsd-1995.jpeg | Jun 29 12:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Samsung sells a million Tizen Z1 Smartphones in | Jun 29 12:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | less than six months, more models coming soon | Jun 29 12:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/rdDeqQxEId (www.tizenexperts.com) | Jun 29 12:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/myf9x | Jun 29 12:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Samsung sells a million Tizen Z1 Smartphones in less than six months, more models coming soon - Tizen Experts | Jun 29 12:14 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Introducing the Default Wallpapers of the GNOME | Jun 29 12:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 3.18 Desktop Environment http://t.co/NWtvUOMG9D | Jun 29 12:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Introducing the Default Wallpapers of the GNOME 3.18 Desktop Environment - Softpedia | Jun 29 12:14 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linux.softpedia.com) | Jun 29 12:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/myf9y | Jun 29 12:14 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @EnvReddit favourited 'Introducing the Default Wallpapers of the GNOME 3.18...' | Jun 29 12:14 | |
| cubexyz | Minix, BeOS, FreeBSD, Yggdrasil Linux, etc | Jun 29 12:14 |
| roy__ | https://twitter.com/Reconquista1970/status/615493077575278592 | Jun 29 12:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Reconquista1970: @schestowitz It is a core issue, they've been building on top of ruined Churches for centuries, nothing's changed. | Jun 29 12:15 | |
| roy__ | https://twitter.com/Reconquista1970/status/615493494623367168 | Jun 29 12:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Reconquista1970: @schestowitz My concern is more the proliferation of Mosques and concern with who's financing them. | Jun 29 12:15 | |
| roy__ | Not hard to guess | Jun 29 12:15 |
| roy__ | https://twitter.com/Reconquista1970/status/615493784953073664 | Jun 29 12:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Reconquista1970: @schestowitz If the C of E didn't sell out to the very people who wish their demise, we wouldn't be having this conversation. | Jun 29 12:16 | |
| cubexyz | I'm a bit embarrassed I didn't use it more back then | Jun 29 12:17 |
| cubexyz | I was too busy trying to fix crashing win95 boxes | Jun 29 12:17 |
| cubexyz | didn't morph into a Unix traditionalist until a lot later | Jun 29 12:18 |
| cubexyz | here's a rough chronology: | Jun 29 12:19 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: What beastie does with the pancake? | Jun 29 12:19 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/unix-timeline.txt | Jun 29 12:19 |
| cubexyz | not sure exactly what that's supposed to be | Jun 29 12:20 |
| XRevan86 | floating pancake that illuminates in beastie's eyes | Jun 29 12:20 |
| cubexyz | it's the BSD Daemon with a puff of smoke or something | Jun 29 12:21 |
| XRevan86 | There is a type of shoes called "kedi" in Russian (wikipedia says it comes from "Keds" brand) | Jun 29 12:23 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I find that Beastie wears kedi. | Jun 29 12:24 |
| cubexyz | all the foss OS mascots: | Jun 29 12:25 |
| XRevan86 | Which is noticable because KDE. | Jun 29 12:25 |
| cubexyz | http://i.stack.imgur.com/rfBgZ.png | Jun 29 12:25 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: "Darwin" now qualifies as true FOSS? | Jun 29 12:26 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: that picture is a little old. | Jun 29 12:26 |
| cubexyz | isn't it mostly FOSS or something? | Jun 29 12:27 |
| oiaohm | The XRevan86 darwin like logo you are seeing is opendarwin | Jun 29 12:27 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It is. It just doesn't go into FOSS spirit, you know :). | Jun 29 12:27 |
| oiaohm | Yes OS X kernel with a X11 envornement. | Jun 29 12:27 |
| oiaohm | In otherwords horible. | Jun 29 12:27 |
| cubexyz | X needs a mascot :) | Jun 29 12:28 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Isn't it a bit too late? :) | Jun 29 12:31 |
| XRevan86 | I wonder whether Oracle Solaris Express is still alive. | Jun 29 12:36 |
| XRevan86 | or better to say, truly alive | Jun 29 12:36 |
| XRevan86 | I somehow suspect Oracle doesn't want it anymore. | Jun 29 12:36 |
| XRevan86 | (in either way, I don't understand the users of Oracle Solaris) | Jun 29 12:36 |
| cubexyz | it went closed source from what I understand | Jun 29 12:39 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: It did, yeah. | Jun 29 12:39 |
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| cubexyz | Sun was mailing out free Solaris 10 DVDs for a while back in 2006 | Jun 29 12:40 |
| XRevan86 | Canonical was mailing out free Ubuntu for a while :). | Jun 29 12:41 |
| cubexyz | yes I got one :) | Jun 29 12:41 |
| XRevan86 | I didn't. I didn't realize the offer is limited %). | Jun 29 12:41 |
| XRevan86 | At least I have a CD with SUSE Linux 10 :). | Jun 29 12:43 |
| XRevan86 | Not an official one: it was OEM'ed with one of the PC's. | Jun 29 12:43 |
| XRevan86 | I didn't realize I have it until 6 years later so it was a nice surprise. | Jun 29 12:48 |
| XRevan86 | or maybe 8 years later | Jun 29 12:48 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm, cubexyz: What OS do you both use right now? :) | Jun 29 12:50 |
| cubexyz | I use a bunch of different ones | Jun 29 12:50 |
| cubexyz | this is openbsd I'm ircing on | Jun 29 12:50 |
| cubexyz | I also use vectorlinux (slack based), AntiX, FC1, Fedora 14, Fedora 16, and I work on improving Unix v5 a fair bit | Jun 29 12:51 |
| cubexyz | Basic Linux 3.5 on low memory systems, e.g. 16 megs of ram | Jun 29 12:52 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: What's the point of VectorLinux? | Jun 29 12:53 |
| cubexyz | it's my KDE 3.5.10 box, no big reason | Jun 29 12:54 |
| cubexyz | sort of a middle-weight Linux | Jun 29 12:55 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Why do you have so many old Fedora's? | Jun 29 12:56 |
| cubexyz | I used to have more :) | Jun 29 12:57 |
| cubexyz | I got back into Linux with Redhat 8 | Jun 29 12:57 |
| cubexyz | and I have a lot of old computers | Jun 29 12:57 |
| cubexyz | I keep them for testing stuff | Jun 29 12:58 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Well, you can install something modern there, right? | Jun 29 12:58 |
| cubexyz | I'm installing openbsd 5.7 on a box now actually | Jun 29 12:59 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: my core is Debian with KDE window manager. But that is not the only OS I run. | Jun 29 13:00 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Only kwin? | Jun 29 13:00 |
| oiaohm | I have all the other KDE stuff like plasma ... | Jun 29 13:01 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I was thinking about Debian, void linux, Arch and all that stuff when I wrote that message :). | Jun 29 13:01 |
| cubexyz | in some ways Unix v5 is the most educational | Jun 29 13:02 |
| cubexyz | you're forced to learn a lot | Jun 29 13:02 |
| cubexyz | stdio? nope | Jun 29 13:02 |
| oiaohm | My current debian is a mix between stable testing and sid. | Jun 29 13:03 |
| XRevan86 | Fedora was the most educational to me. I learned that I don't want to know anything about it. | Jun 29 13:03 |
| oiaohm | Also my machine image last clean install was 1998 | Jun 29 13:03 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, what are you using again? | Jun 29 13:03 |
| cubexyz | I know you told me but I've forgotten | Jun 29 13:03 |
| oiaohm | Lets just say for my core computer I don't change OS's much. | Jun 29 13:03 |
| oiaohm | I upgrade but not change. | Jun 29 13:04 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: openSUSE on my laptop, void linux on a stationary and Debian on a VPS. | Jun 29 13:04 |
| XRevan86 | Laptop is the main PC for me. | Jun 29 13:04 |
| oiaohm | My next motherboard with all the EFI changes I will at long last have todo a proper install. | Jun 29 13:04 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Set "Legacy BIOS" in it, boot Debian and then start reading Arch Wiki if you want UEFI :). | Jun 29 13:05 |
| XRevan86 | That's kind of how I moved to UEFI when I had upgraded BIOS on my laptop. | Jun 29 13:06 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: Not exactly. | Jun 29 13:06 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: It's UEFI-forced somehow? | Jun 29 13:06 |
| oiaohm | the newer EFI allows firmware updating from Linux. | Jun 29 13:06 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Um, I guess. But how does that change the procedure? | Jun 29 13:07 |
| oiaohm | https://blogs.intel.com/evangelists/2015/06/23/better-firmware-updates-in-linux-using-uefi-capsules/ | Jun 29 13:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.intel.com | Better Firmware Updates in Linux using UEFI Capsules - Intel Software and Services [ http://ur1.ca/myfs5 ] | Jun 29 13:08 | |
| oiaohm | EFI 2.5 support using uefi capsules to update the firmware. No dropping out to dos | Jun 29 13:08 |
| XRevan86 | > Set "Legacy BIOS" in BIOS setup (to boot from MBR), boot Debian as is from HDD/SSD, start the webbrowser and then start reading Arch Wiki if you want UEFI :). | Jun 29 13:08 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: EFI capsules require you in EFI mode. | Jun 29 13:09 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: And so you can transform the existing system to UEFI. | Jun 29 13:10 |
| oiaohm | Its when I change my motherboard. | Jun 29 13:10 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Right. | Jun 29 13:10 |
| oiaohm | My install might be 1998 old but by system is not. | Jun 29 13:10 |
| oiaohm | Basically My OS has transfered from computer to computer. | Jun 29 13:11 |
| XRevan86 | I'm just saying it doesn't require reinstallation effort. | Jun 29 13:11 |
| oiaohm | Stack of things are wrong. | Jun 29 13:11 |
| oiaohm | My Linux is partition as per 1998 best prac | Jun 29 13:11 |
| oiaohm | That is highly not friendly. | Jun 29 13:12 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Well, even repartitioning doesn't require reinstallation :). | Jun 29 13:12 |
| *XRevan86 doesn't like reinstallations. | Jun 29 13:12 | |
| oiaohm | Also I guess I have some collected crud. | Jun 29 13:12 |
| XRevan86 | LiveCD + external drive bigger than the internal one. | Jun 29 13:12 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: aptitude search '~i!~M' + cruft | Jun 29 13:13 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Debian gives everything one needs to have everything under control without the need to ever reinstall :). | Jun 29 13:14 |
| XRevan86 | autoinstalled packages can be listed the similiar way: '~i~M' | Jun 29 13:15 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: aptitude search '~i!~M' gives a list of packages that you manually had installed. | Jun 29 13:16 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: really 1 reinstall after 15 years of usage is not much. | Jun 29 13:17 |
| oiaohm | Compare to how many Windows users do. | Jun 29 13:17 |
| XRevan86 | if you see the package that shouldn't be installed manually (a dependency), just do "aptitude markauto $PACKAGE" | Jun 29 13:17 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Then you reinstall, backup data, restore data, resort data, reconfigure all the stuff. | Jun 29 13:18 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: you have listed why I have put it off for 15+ years. | Jun 29 13:19 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: And you can put it off for 15 more :). | Jun 29 13:20 |
| XRevan86 | I see no reason you need to reinstall, just clean it up a bit | Jun 29 13:20 |
| oiaohm | I would not exactly say a bit. | Jun 29 13:20 |
| XRevan86 | or not a bit, it doesn't matter: aptitude markauto can process multiple arguments :) | Jun 29 13:20 |
| oiaohm | I have a lot of depreated stuff | Jun 29 13:21 |
| XRevan86 | and rm too | Jun 29 13:21 |
| oiaohm | I am just to the point the system need a good house clean. | Jun 29 13:21 |
| oiaohm | Of course I will put it off to when I have to change configuration for EFI. | Jun 29 13:21 |
| XRevan86 | https://packages.debian.org/sid/cruft | Jun 29 13:21 |
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| oiaohm | XRevan86: craft currently lists over 15G of stuff. | Jun 29 13:22 |
| oiaohm | As I say my system over 15 years has got a bit of a mess | Jun 29 13:23 |
| MinceR | i don't think i kept any PC for 15 years | Jun 29 13:23 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Remove the stuff from the list that you need (and stuff that got into the stuff by cruft flaws) | Jun 29 13:23 |
| XRevan86 | and then remove it all | Jun 29 13:23 |
| MinceR | in use, anyway | Jun 29 13:24 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its not exactly 15 years in use. | Jun 29 13:24 |
| XRevan86 | and one last thing: aptitude download $(dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}') | Jun 29 13:24 |
| XRevan86 | I didn't bother to find out a better way to get a list of orphaned packages :) | Jun 29 13:24 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I have just been transfering my OS from compuer to computer. | Jun 29 13:25 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so the harddrive and motherboard that it started on I got rid of in 2004 and I have replaced it again in 2010 | Jun 29 13:25 |
| oiaohm | And sometime this year or next replace hardware again. | Jun 29 13:25 |
| oiaohm | About every 6 years or so I have perfomrance reasons to change over hardware. | Jun 29 13:26 |
| MinceR | i never did that | Jun 29 13:26 |
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| MinceR | though i'm thinking of putting most of my environment in a VM, that would be easy to clone/transplant | Jun 29 13:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I am a custom builder. | Jun 29 13:27 |
| MinceR | i mostly use laptops | Jun 29 13:27 |
| oiaohm | So lot of times my parts are build from parts customers order and pay for then decide they have changed mind. | Jun 29 13:27 |
| oiaohm | Laptops are a prick | Jun 29 13:28 |
| MinceR | yes, but at least they're portable | Jun 29 13:29 |
| oiaohm | I had a nice mill case for a while. | Jun 29 13:32 |
| oiaohm | Use to be fun as it was computer with intergrated desk in case. | Jun 29 13:33 |
| oiaohm | Took stock parts. | Jun 29 13:33 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Dutch city of Utrecht to experiment with a universal, unconditional 'basic income' http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dutch-city-of-utrecht-to-experiment-with-a-universal-unconditional-income-10345595.html will reduce stress, improve health | Jun 29 21:02 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Atop, when you need to know exactly what's happening at the system-resource level http://t.co/MSeNkudvJp #atop #linux | Jun 29 21:06 | |
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| cubexyz | openbsd 5.7 comes with fvwm as default | Jun 30 03:37 |
| cubexyz | I got to say it's a crap choice | Jun 30 03:37 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: fvwm vs cde. Note cde has been a unix tradition for a long time. | Jun 30 03:59 |
| cubexyz | at least put icewm on there | Jun 30 03:59 |
| cubexyz | fvwm is just painful | Jun 30 03:59 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: have you used cde | Jun 30 04:00 |
| cubexyz | I don't think so | Jun 30 04:00 |
| oiaohm | There are something Unix old timers should not choose. | Jun 30 04:00 |
| cubexyz | maybe on Ultrix? | Jun 30 04:00 |
| oiaohm | The Windows manager. | Jun 30 04:00 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: modern cde looks like xfce | Jun 30 04:01 |
| oiaohm | Old cde looks and acts very much like fvwm | Jun 30 04:02 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Desktop_Environment cubexyz CDE I what the Unix world decide was a good desktop envornment. | Jun 30 04:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Common Desktop Environment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/myni7 ] | Jun 30 04:03 | |
| oiaohm | You can fairly much see the Linux world really did not agree. | Jun 30 04:03 |
| oiaohm | With KDE, Gnome and many others. | Jun 30 04:03 |
| cubexyz | is there CDE for Linux? | Jun 30 04:05 |
| cubexyz | I really like icewm though | Jun 30 04:06 |
| cubexyz | I've tried almost everything | Jun 30 04:06 |
| cubexyz | CDE looks rather like KDE 1.0 | Jun 30 04:11 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FVWM Has a lot of good decentants. I hope they were at least using FVWM-XPM | Jun 30 04:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | FVWM - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Jun 30 04:12 | |
| oiaohm | http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/SupportedPlatforms/ cubexyz cde is build from source | Jun 30 04:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sourceforge.net | CDE - Common Desktop Environment / Wiki / SupportedPlatforms [ http://ur1.ca/mynl3 ] | Jun 30 04:12 | |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, it's just when Thompson wrote the Thompson Shell, and a bunch of other people improved on it: mashey shell, bourne shell, lots of others | Jun 30 04:13 |
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| cubexyz | finally got tinywm working : | Jun 30 05:10 |
| cubexyz | such a silly issue with tinywm-session | Jun 30 05:10 |
| cubexyz | so minimal I love it | Jun 30 05:11 |
| cubexyz | feel the minimalism: | Jun 30 05:17 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/tinywm-1.3.png | Jun 30 05:17 |
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| MinceR | cubexyz: fvwm is great | Jun 30 13:09 |
| cubexyz | what's great about it? | Jun 30 13:09 |
| MinceR | it's very flexible | Jun 30 13:11 |
| cubexyz | the openbsd guys seem to like it, it's the default window manager | Jun 30 13:14 |
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| cubexyz | it defaults to a very tiny font though | Jun 30 13:18 |
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| XRevan86 | http://newsru.com/world/30jun2015/sorcery.html ISIS kills two women accusing them in witchcraft. | Jun 30 19:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-newsru.com | NEWSru.com :: " " , [ http://ur1.ca/myvy3 ] | Jun 30 19:59 | |
| XRevan86 | Witchcraft. Seriously!? | Jun 30 19:59 |
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| MinceR | welcome to the dark ages! | Jun 30 20:46 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I didn't miss them. | Jun 30 20:50 |
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| XRevan86 | ISIS guys really should make a public poll: "Whether you do or do not the ressurection of dark ages? [Y/n/R U mad?]" | Jun 30 20:51 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter, they're coming back. | Jun 30 20:53 |
| XRevan86 | I'm very tired and didn't sleep last night properly, sorry for my sentences. | Jun 30 20:53 |
| MinceR | both the fundies and the oligarchs want them back | Jun 30 20:54 |
| MinceR | fundie oligarchs more so; fundie dictators most of all. | Jun 30 20:54 |
| XRevan86 | Do populists qualify as fundie dictators? | Jun 30 20:59 |
| MinceR | dunno, i certainly know about at least one fundie dictator who is also a populist | Jun 30 20:59 |
| MinceR | or at least used to be | Jun 30 20:59 |
| MinceR | i wonder what he'll do once he figures out that even the fans of his party tend to oppose his ban on shops being open on sundays | Jun 30 21:00 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Wow, that's stupid. | Jun 30 21:01 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jun 30 21:01 |
| MinceR | but it comes naturally with christian fundamentalism | Jun 30 21:01 |
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| XRevan86 | christian fundamentalism becomes rational to a person if be believes in the | Jun 30 21:02 |
| XRevan86 | righteousness of christian ways | Jun 30 21:02 |
| XRevan86 | Where there's christians, there are fundamentalists | Jun 30 21:02 |
| MinceR | myth. not even once. | Jun 30 21:03 |
| XRevan86 | s/christian/$RELIGION_GUY/ | Jun 30 21:03 |
| MinceR | http://weloveatheism.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/V89sgYj.jpg | Jun 30 21:03 |
| XRevan86 | My point is: religion ways are fady and reviewing them in the ways human want is like admitting they mean literally nothing. | Jun 30 21:05 |
| XRevan86 | And religious people don't like to admit that => fundamentalism is an answer for them. | Jun 30 21:05 |
| XRevan86 | I was trying to remember the word: integrity. | Jun 30 21:09 |
| XRevan86 | I see it like that fundamentalists try to find integrity in their religion. | Jun 30 21:10 |
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| DaemonFC | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/06/op-ed-safari-is-the-new-internet-explorer/ | Jun 30 21:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Op-ed: Safari is the new Internet Explorer | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/mywob ] | Jun 30 21:15 | |
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| MinceR | unfortunately, there's also an old internet explorer | Jun 30 21:24 |
| MinceR | >Microsoft is repentant these days | Jun 30 21:55 |
| MinceR | typical arse technica bullshit | Jun 30 21:55 |
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| roy__ | https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/616002885495713792 | Jun 30 22:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz nice post. The only challenge with completely switching is the fear of losing investments in paid #Windows software #flstudio | Jun 30 22:02 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: To be fair, I have tried their new Edge browser. It *is* superior to Safari, although that isn't saying much. | Jun 30 22:15 |
| MinceR | ah yes, the new name of IE | Jun 30 22:15 |
| MinceR | like their "new" search engine, windows live search | Jun 30 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | Not exactly. Edge is a distinctly different browser. | Jun 30 22:16 |
| MinceR | oh, i'm sure it's different | Jun 30 22:16 |
| MinceR | just like the tcp/ip stack in vista was "totally rewritten" | Jun 30 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | It sheds a lot of backwards compatibility junk and it's faster and more standards compliant. | Jun 30 22:16 |
| MinceR | it just happened to have the exact same bugs. | Jun 30 22:16 |
| MinceR | totally accidental. | Jun 30 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | It's possible that it was rewritten and had some of the same bugs, by design. | Jun 30 22:17 |
| MinceR | yeah | Jun 30 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | For applications that were written to expect them and break without them. | Jun 30 22:18 |
| MinceR | it's also possible that instead of paying some developers to write new code, they paid some artists to come up with a new name and logo | Jun 30 22:18 |
| MinceR | and a new skin for the ui | Jun 30 22:18 |
| MinceR | and pay some "journalists" to spread the word. | Jun 30 22:18 |
| MinceR | and flipped a few switches in the code, maybe | Jun 30 22:18 |
| MinceR | how many times has m$ have to lie blatantly for people to catch up to the fact that they never tell the truth? | Jun 30 22:19 |
| roy__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6286260 | Jun 30 22:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: OpenBSD from a veteran Linux user perspective http://cfenollosa.com/blog/openbsd-from-a-veteran-linux-user-perspective.html #openbsd #bsd #unix #security | Jun 30 22:26 | |
| roy__ | " | Jun 30 22:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> cfenollosa.com | OpenBSD from a veteran Linux user perspective [ http://ur1.ca/myxez ] | Jun 30 22:26 | |
| roy__ | "In a few years we've gone from /etc/init.d/sshd restart to service sshd restart to systemctl start sshd." | Jun 30 22:26 |
| roy__ | I'll miss this part now that I'm a DBA. | Jun 30 22:26 |
| roy__ | " | Jun 30 22:26 |
| roy__ | " | Jun 30 22:27 |
| roy__ | "it's the price of progress, aimed to make computers boot faster" | Jun 30 22:27 |
| roy__ | Sure. | Jun 30 22:27 |
| roy__ | " | Jun 30 22:27 |
| roy__ | "I really like systemd. It provides a consistent interface to all services." | Jun 30 22:27 |
| roy__ | "I think it's a nice piece of blogpost - My first little steps with OpenBSD have not been long time ago - also with 5.7 - it feels a bit strange without procFS, but I think it's a nice operating system. I've had a little problem with ncurses, what I couldn't solve so I decided to install something else on that old ppc-machine. And yes, the man pages are great. I've been reading them and somewhen I realised that night was already very over (04:10 | Jun 30 22:27 |
| roy__ | am) ... I have been absorded in reading man pages that night :D" | Jun 30 22:27 |
| roy__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6286931 | Jun 30 22:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Linux #Kernel 4.1.1 Is Now the Most Stable and Advanced Version Available http://news.softpedia.com/news/linux-kernel-4-1-1-is-now-the-most-stable-and-advanced-version-available-485637.shtml | Jun 30 22:28 | |
| roy__ | "kinda wish to see some headlines like "Linux kernel now improve battery life significantly"" | Jun 30 22:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 4.1.1 Is Now the Most Stable and Advanced Version Available - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/myxfg ] | Jun 30 22:28 | |
| roy__ | "https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6286931" | Jun 30 22:28 |
| roy__ | "^ +1" | Jun 30 22:28 |
| roy__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6282074 | Jun 30 22:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "can’t be screenshot, saved or forwarded, and the app’s servers are wiped daily to avoid being targeted by hackers." http://www.heraldsun.com.au/technology/techknow/aussie-dads-fight-back-against-revenge-porn-and-sexting-by-making-safe-app-for-sharing-nude-photos/story-fni0byfl-1227417816014 | Jun 30 22:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.heraldsun.com.au | No Cookies | Herald Sun [ http://ur1.ca/mydls ] | Jun 30 22:29 | |
| roy__ | "and for trophy swapping. I wonder how long it takes 20 something interns to get bored of it." | Jun 30 22:29 |
| roy__ | "porn-viewing rooms? Are they private booths with a box of kleenex conveniently supplied?" | Jun 30 22:29 |
| roy__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6289863 | Jun 30 22:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: XFS Will Get DAX Support In The Linux 4.2 Kernel http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=XFS-Linux-4.2-DAX-And-More | Jun 30 22:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.phoronix.com | XFS Will Get DAX Support In The Linux 4.2 Kernel - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/myxga ] | Jun 30 22:30 | |
| roy__ | "Are there still Reiser FS user?" | Jun 30 22:30 |
| MinceR | make computers boot into an infinite umount attempt loop faster | Jun 30 22:35 |
| MinceR | make computers boot faster by forgetting to start some services randomly | Jun 30 22:36 |
| MinceR | make computers boot faster by not waiting for fsck to finish | Jun 30 22:36 |
| gde33 | MinceR: I thought it was sad express gate doesnt boot in the background | Jun 30 22:49 |
| gde33 | you could have many layers of booting | Jun 30 22:49 |
| MinceR | many layers of screwing up | Jun 30 22:49 |
| gde33 | thats ok, as long as the final version has all the features | Jun 30 22:50 |
| gde33 | if I just want a web browser it is madly annoying to wait for ages | Jun 30 22:50 |
| gde33 | you have to reap the fruits of a thought in the moment not 10 seconds later | Jun 30 22:50 |
| gde33 | for websites a delay of more than 0.2 costs visitors and ruins click though rate | Jun 30 22:51 |
| gde33 | the web shit is comming from the other end of the world | Jun 30 22:51 |
| MinceR | funny they should use such a bloated "standard" then | Jun 30 22:52 |
| gde33 | yeah its terrible | Jun 30 22:52 |
| gde33 | the old skool instant on + tape streamer was faster than modern boot loaders | Jun 30 22:52 |
| gde33 | the core issue is that people are small thinkers | Jun 30 22:53 |
| gde33 | small thinkers have no respect for big ideas, they wont support them | Jun 30 22:54 |
| MinceR | to me it looks more like the core issue is that people are stupid | Jun 30 22:54 |
| gde33 | lack of vision is a kind of stupid | Jun 30 22:54 |
| MinceR | they're mesmerized by shiny new crap and don't care for stuff that works | Jun 30 22:54 |
| gde33 | being against everything is also a kind of stupid | Jun 30 22:55 |
| MinceR | and since the IT industry manages to sell to the common consumer, it's being bent into the shape the common idiot appreciates | Jun 30 22:55 |
| MinceR | it's getting to the point where an IT professional can't get work done | Jun 30 22:55 |
| gde33 | indeed | Jun 30 22:55 |
| gde33 | oh since the 90's I didnt even want to work in IT anymore | Jun 30 22:56 |
| gde33 | fucking garbage | Jun 30 22:56 |
| gde33 | stupid people have their place in development | Jun 30 22:57 |
| gde33 | they are useful for UI testing, writing documentation and making tutorials | Jun 30 22:58 |
| gde33 | high end nerds cant do UI | Jun 30 22:58 |
| MinceR | actually, high end nerds can do UI | Jun 30 22:58 |
| MinceR | but it ends up a UI a smart person can use and actually do stuff with | Jun 30 22:58 |
| gde33 | if you put random characters on the interface buttons the high end nerd can just use it as if nothing is wrong | Jun 30 22:58 |
| MinceR | the common idiot wants some dumbed-down shiny crap | Jun 30 22:59 |
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| gde33 | he doesnt understand how people fail to understand things | Jun 30 22:59 |
| MinceR | i don't see what business people who fail to understand things have with computers | Jun 30 22:59 |
| gde33 | dumbed down UI is a sympthom of bad UI design | Jun 30 22:59 |
| gde33 | you want the lerning curve to be as small as possible | Jun 30 23:00 |
| gde33 | expose the new user to as much power as he can comprehand | Jun 30 23:00 |
| gde33 | it helps the high end nerd too | Jun 30 23:00 |
| gde33 | it is like any development, you want things to be as efficent as possible | Jun 30 23:01 |
| gde33 | gradual improvements have the drawback of confusing long term users | Jun 30 23:01 |
| gde33 | therefore it is good to work really hard at UI design early on | Jun 30 23:02 |
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| gde33 | MinceR: in the old days good ui design looked like this http://badgerlandhomeloans.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/wi-mortgage-calculator.jpg | Jun 30 23:03 |
| gde33 | They got the reset button wrong and the = is to small | Jun 30 23:04 |
| gde33 | ehh the = is to small on this one http://www.tampaymca.info/2cmby/images/images/Calculator_01.jpg | Jun 30 23:04 |
| gde33 | onscreen interfaces can never compare to physical ones | Jun 30 23:04 |
| gde33 | here the nerds are taking over http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71FFmguxgYL._SL1500_.jpg | Jun 30 23:06 |
| MinceR | for the better | Jun 30 23:06 |
| gde33 | to some extend yes in other ways no | Jun 30 23:06 |
| MinceR | still, at this point a touchscreen might work better | Jun 30 23:07 |
| gde33 | indeed | Jun 30 23:07 |
| MinceR | in at least one calculator application i can just swipe between sets of buttons | Jun 30 23:07 |
| gde33 | the common failure to me is when the functionality of things can not be learned from the interface | Jun 30 23:08 |
| gde33 | it is not so hard to display a bit of code on a web page and link each instruction to documentation | Jun 30 23:08 |
| gde33 | with limited experience in any language anyone would be able to read the code | Jun 30 23:09 |
| gde33 | a small box on the side with a short description of the instruction would go a long way | Jun 30 23:10 |
| gde33 | give it a read more button to a tutorial | Jun 30 23:10 |
| gde33 | give the tutorial a link to the specs | Jun 30 23:10 |
| gde33 | unless it is machine code the spec could point to its implementation | Jun 30 23:10 |
| gde33 | if the interpreter is written in C point to that part of the codebase | Jun 30 23:11 |
| gde33 | then have the same thing again | Jun 30 23:11 |
| gde33 | like that UI will teach people a lot about coding all without crufty webpages or slow books | Jun 30 23:12 |
| gde33 | in stead we have nerds evangelize against comments that describe what code does | Jun 30 23:12 |
| gde33 | and amazon paywalls | Jun 30 23:13 |
| gde33 | lol | Jun 30 23:13 |
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| MinceR | and a supposedly "free" supposedly "init system" with messy code devoid of comments or documentation | Jun 30 23:14 |
| gde33 | haha | Jun 30 23:15 |
| gde33 | code you cant interface with | Jun 30 23:15 |
| gde33 | makes interesting reading while you rewrite the whole thing | Jun 30 23:15 |
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