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| schestowitz | "No mention of GNU Guix? It’s really an interesting project." | Aug 23 06:01 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Guix is only part of it. GuixSD is a GNU made distribution not complete yet. http://www.gnu.org/software/guix/ | Aug 23 06:11 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.gnu.org | GNU's advanced distro and transactional package manager — GuixSD | Aug 23 06:11 | |
| oiaohm | Please note GuixSD does not have systemd instead uses GNU DMD. | Aug 23 06:11 |
| oiaohm | GNU is maintaining there own fork of logind called elogind | Aug 23 06:13 |
| oiaohm | To be correcrt systemd-logind fork where they cut it to work without any other systemd parts. | Aug 23 06:15 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: systemd makes me nauseous | Aug 23 11:33 |
| schestowitz | was Linux so broken that it had to be rewritten at so many levels? | Aug 23 11:33 |
| oiaohm | The unfortunate answer yes it had to be rewriten because it was broken. | Aug 23 11:34 |
| oiaohm | Problem was init systems that had been imported from other system to Linux were all based around the idea PID numbers would never be reused. | Aug 23 11:35 |
| oiaohm | Recycling a PID number in kernel saves having to reallocate more memory. | Aug 23 11:35 |
| oiaohm | openrc, DMD and systemd all use methods that are Linux kernel design compadible and don't give a stuff if a PID gets recycled or not. | Aug 23 11:36 |
| oiaohm | Logind is about killing off kde/gnome/xfce..... session manager. | Aug 23 11:37 |
| oiaohm | Yes every X11 desktop implemented own session manager that could be incompadible with each other. | Aug 23 11:38 |
| schestowitz | but systemd is not just an init system | Aug 23 11:39 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: I know you don't exactly like systemd but things just had to change. DMD and Openrc have changed a lot but they are closer to old sysvinit than what systemd is. | Aug 23 11:39 |
| schestowitz | so why change everything else? | Aug 23 11:39 |
| schestowitz | It's not that I dislike it technically | Aug 23 11:39 |
| oiaohm | DMD is not just a init system either. | Aug 23 11:39 |
| schestowitz | it just breaks the ability to choose | Aug 23 11:39 |
| schestowitz | it sort of makes everything monolithic | Aug 23 11:40 |
| oiaohm | systemd is classic example of snowball rolling down hill. | Aug 23 11:40 |
| oiaohm | The more stuff the fixed the bigger it grew. | Aug 23 11:40 |
| oiaohm | the/they | Aug 23 11:40 |
| oiaohm | Its like systemd adding its own time sync tool that does not do latancy calculations. At first you go hey this is bad. But then you find it this is because of a bug where inside a smaller LAN network syncing to server in LAN the latancy correction can go wrong. | Aug 23 11:42 |
| oiaohm | That is the problem I have had with systemd every time I have followed change systemd has done more often than not its about a issue. | Aug 23 11:43 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: problem I have to make systemd smaller items like ntp sync tools need options added coping systemd does. Of course that is just 1 example. | Aug 23 11:45 |
| schestowitz | I'm still not buying it.. | Aug 23 11:52 |
| oiaohm | I am not saying you should. | Aug 23 11:53 |
| oiaohm | We have to accept the fact huge stack of stuff has been broken for a long time. | Aug 23 11:53 |
| oiaohm | Is systemd the right place to fix all of it most like not. | Aug 23 11:53 |
| oiaohm | Is systemd a good place to produce a demo of what is required to make a working system. Most likely yes. | Aug 23 11:54 |
| MinceR | if by "working" you mean "broken" | Aug 23 13:57 |
| MinceR | it must be Opposite Day | Aug 23 13:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2015/aug/21/german-spy-charged-said-to-aid-cia-free/ | Aug 23 14:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.arkansasonline.com | The world in brief [ http://ur1.ca/niype ] | Aug 23 14:02 | |
| schestowitz | "Two planes carrying dozens of parachutists collided in midair Thursday over western Slovakia, killing seven people, officials said. Thirty-one others on board survived by jumping out with their parachutes." | Aug 23 14:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Note I said demo what is required to make a working system. Not that the system would work perfectly. | Aug 23 14:14 |
| MinceR | i don't think that a huge hairball is required to make a working system | Aug 23 14:15 |
| MinceR | gnu/linux before systemd proves that pretty well | Aug 23 14:15 |
| oiaohm | I see DMD and openrc taking what is required. | Aug 23 14:15 |
| oiaohm | systemd has proven cgroup tracking does work. | Aug 23 14:16 |
| oiaohm | Please note GNU is going DMD not systemd. | Aug 23 14:18 |
| oiaohm | GNU is also getting rid of sysvinit. | Aug 23 14:18 |
| MinceR | except they're already putting systemd-logind in there | Aug 23 14:18 |
| MinceR | with who knows how many nsa backdoors. | Aug 23 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Really the code is open to inspection. So hiding back doors is harder. | Aug 23 14:20 |
| oiaohm | GNU is looking to maintain the e branches of broken out parts from systemd | Aug 23 14:20 |
| oiaohm | So GNU is doing what you asked for MinceR to break systemd up. | Aug 23 14:21 |
| MinceR | i did not ask to break systemd up | Aug 23 14:21 |
| oiaohm | You asked for it not to be a unified hair ball. | Aug 23 14:21 |
| MinceR | i did not ask for systemd in any form | Aug 23 14:21 |
| MinceR | no, i said it's badly designed in part because it's a huge hairball with no cohesion | Aug 23 14:21 |
| MinceR | many of its design flaws can not be fixed by patching, only by redesigning (as multiple separate projects) | Aug 23 14:22 |
| oiaohm | And you just listed what GNU is upto. | Aug 23 14:22 |
| MinceR | except patching up poettering's shitty code is not a redesign | Aug 23 14:24 |
| oiaohm | You have to start somewhere. | Aug 23 14:25 |
| MinceR | yes, but that somewhere doesn't have to be neck deep in the septic tank. | Aug 23 14:26 |
| oiaohm | Remember GNU brought sysvinit to Linux the same way. | Aug 23 14:26 |
| oiaohm | So yes we have been neck deep in the septic tank for a long time. | Aug 23 14:27 |
| MinceR | oh really? what other services did they kick out for its sake? | Aug 23 14:27 |
| MinceR | what sort of lock-in did they put in their own applications to force you to use sysvinit? | Aug 23 14:27 |
| oiaohm | Most of the BSD licensed services. | Aug 23 14:27 |
| MinceR | citation needed | Aug 23 14:27 |
| MinceR | from where i'm standing, bsd-licensed services run just fine on sysvinit | Aug 23 14:28 |
| MinceR | including any syslogd of my choice | Aug 23 14:28 |
| oiaohm | http://download.savannah.gnu.org/releases/sysvinit/ | Aug 23 14:29 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-download.savannah.gnu.org | Index of /releases/sysvinit [ http://ur1.ca/niz12 ] | Aug 23 14:29 | |
| oiaohm | Note the last update. | Aug 23 14:29 |
| oiaohm | So sysvinit has not had maintaince updates since 2010 | Aug 23 14:29 |
| MinceR | so what? | Aug 23 14:30 |
| MinceR | this is irrelevant to the earlier points | Aug 23 14:30 |
| oiaohm | http://man.he.net/man8/insserv | Aug 23 14:31 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 200 @ http://man.he.net/man8/insserv ) | Aug 23 14:31 | |
| oiaohm | insserv was never designed to process BSD based init order instructions. | Aug 23 14:31 |
| MinceR | does that prevent a bsd service from running on the system? | Aug 23 14:32 |
| MinceR | of course it doesn't. | Aug 23 14:32 |
| MinceR | yes, most service managers have different syntax for defining services | Aug 23 14:32 |
| oiaohm | For a while when sysvinit was intrucude with GNU tools it did cause issues. | Aug 23 14:32 |
| MinceR | yet it's more mature than systemd will ever be | Aug 23 14:33 |
| oiaohm | That may be true because DMD or openrc might kill systemd out. | Aug 23 14:33 |
| MinceR | i don't see redcrap giving up their leverage | Aug 23 14:33 |
| oiaohm | Or some other solution using the correct frameworks. | Aug 23 14:33 |
| oiaohm | I don't see GNU giving up its DMD any time soon either. | Aug 23 14:34 |
| oiaohm | DMD is unified before Linux and Hurd. | Aug 23 14:34 |
| MinceR | while the FSF advertises systemd as "free"? | Aug 23 14:34 |
| oiaohm | before/between. | Aug 23 14:34 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Aug 23 14:34 |
| oiaohm | FSF is attempting to push http://www.gnu.org/software/guix/ this | Aug 23 14:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.gnu.org | GNU's advanced distro and transactional package manager — GuixSD | Aug 23 14:35 | |
| oiaohm | Now different packaging and DMD | Aug 23 14:35 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically we have Redhat, Ubuntu, and GNU attempting to come up with a unified solution for everything. | Aug 23 14:36 |
| oiaohm | And gentoo | Aug 23 14:37 |
| oiaohm | 4 way cat fight. | Aug 23 14:37 |
| MinceR | if by "everything" you mean "all the use cases that matter to poettering and the nsa, and nothing else" | Aug 23 14:37 |
| oiaohm | Gentoo and GNU don't have interest in poetterings path. | Aug 23 14:37 |
| MinceR | systemd pushers had no problem with breaking servers for alleged but irrelevant boot speed gains. | Aug 23 14:37 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu is likey to fork off at sime time. | Aug 23 14:37 |
| oiaohm | some time. | Aug 23 14:37 |
| MinceR | (because multiseat desktops are SO IMPORTANT in 2015) | Aug 23 14:37 |
| oiaohm | To be truthful LSB standard defines how dependancies between services should be declard in sysvinit files. | Aug 23 14:38 |
| oiaohm | systemd goes and uses that. | Aug 23 14:38 |
| MinceR | lsb is redcrap | Aug 23 14:38 |
| oiaohm | Turns out it was broken millions of ways. | Aug 23 14:38 |
| MinceR | it even declares rpm as the "standard" package format | Aug 23 14:38 |
| MinceR | even though they couldn't hack up a package manager that actually works | Aug 23 14:38 |
| oiaohm | RPM and DEB were both defined as package format. | Aug 23 14:38 |
| MinceR | i'm sick of fascistic companies declaring whatever they do as the "standard" everybody else MUST follow | Aug 23 14:39 |
| MinceR | people seem to have trouble learning from what m$ did. | Aug 23 14:39 |
| oiaohm | Also before systemd attempted to use the LSB dependancy crap 4 other parrall starting init systems attempted it as well. | Aug 23 14:40 |
| oiaohm | There has been a quality control issue in init scripts for quite some time. | Aug 23 14:40 |
| MinceR | that's not an excuse for replacing them with ini files and forcing a disgusting hairball in place of the core of the os | Aug 23 14:41 |
| MinceR | in fact, some (non-debian) free unixes had pretty good rc scripts | Aug 23 14:41 |
| oiaohm | Normally based off BSD. | Aug 23 14:41 |
| MinceR | or being bsd | Aug 23 14:42 |
| oiaohm | Note BSD had a checktool if dependancy information is wrong in a service init file it moves it to a disabled directory. | Aug 23 14:43 |
| oiaohm | So screwed up dependancy information is not tollerated. | Aug 23 14:43 |
| MinceR | while systemd has a broken parser | Aug 23 14:43 |
| MinceR | and if you make a typo in a unit file, the file is silently ignored and the previous version is used | Aug 23 14:44 |
| MinceR | and this is what they've been forcing at users for over 4 years. | Aug 23 14:44 |
| oiaohm | Look up that bug. Systemd stopped be silent skiping over broken files quite a few versions back. | Aug 23 14:45 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: this is the thing some systemd bugs are disappearing. | Aug 23 14:46 |
| MinceR | well after having it forced on allegedly "stable" distro releases | Aug 23 14:47 |
| oiaohm | The question is will enough of these bugs disapper before DMD or Openrc can full challage. | Aug 23 14:47 |
| MinceR | what's worse, well after redcrap releasing it to its own customers via RHEL! | Aug 23 14:47 |
| MinceR | what's the hurry? | Aug 23 14:47 |
| MinceR | why adopt an immature system in a hurry so you don't get to consider the properly designed ones? | Aug 23 14:48 |
| oiaohm | That is a very good question. | Aug 23 14:48 |
| oiaohm | You don't call sysvinit properly designed. | Aug 23 14:48 |
| MinceR | i do | Aug 23 14:48 |
| MinceR | next to systemd, almost anything is. | Aug 23 14:48 |
| oiaohm | Properly design for Linux it would not be using PID files to track to crap. | Aug 23 14:48 |
| MinceR | certainly anything that ever came out of unix is. | Aug 23 14:48 |
| oiaohm | No that is not true. | Aug 23 14:48 |
| MinceR | pid files have never caused as much trouble as systemd did. | Aug 23 14:48 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit was picked up by a lot of Unixs that died out. | Aug 23 14:48 |
| MinceR | sysvinit is cohesive and modular, unlike systemd. | Aug 23 14:49 |
| oiaohm | The force why redhat is rushing is SMF in solaris. | Aug 23 14:49 |
| MinceR | sysvinit uses readable shell scripts for much of its functionality | Aug 23 14:49 |
| MinceR | and yet SMF could run as non-pid1 | Aug 23 14:49 |
| MinceR | and afaik SMF doesn't include all those other services systemd swallowed. | Aug 23 14:49 |
| MinceR | and even if slowlaris is broken, that's no excuse to forcibly break all gnu/linux distros. | Aug 23 14:50 |
| oiaohm | SMF uses a lot of Solaris only services. | Aug 23 14:50 |
| MinceR | uses or includes? | Aug 23 14:50 |
| oiaohm | That have a lot of the features the services in systemd implemented. | Aug 23 14:50 |
| MinceR | does SMF include a syslog daemon? | Aug 23 14:50 |
| oiaohm | Solaris has its own solaris loging daemon that supports binary logging that SMF uses by default. | Aug 23 14:51 |
| oiaohm | I see systemd as a rush job. | Aug 23 14:51 |
| MinceR | forcing systemd on users was much more of a rush job | Aug 23 14:51 |
| oiaohm | SMF was forced on solaris users as well. | Aug 23 14:51 |
| MinceR | well, it always sucks to be the user of a proprietary OS | Aug 23 14:52 |
| MinceR | that isn't news | Aug 23 14:52 |
| oiaohm | Note SMF was forced on Solaris when it was open source. | Aug 23 14:52 |
| MinceR | there were plenty of truly free unixes by then | Aug 23 14:52 |
| MinceR | 154815 < oiaohm> You don't call sysvinit properly designed. | Aug 23 14:53 |
| oiaohm | The sad part is sysvinit script mostly only worked correctly on Linux as most Unix used BSD based. | Aug 23 14:53 |
| MinceR | i actually wasn't even referring to it here | Aug 23 14:53 |
| MinceR | i was referring to openrc, runit and the others. | Aug 23 14:53 |
| oiaohm | If you were talking about making commonality between Unix/Linux you would have been swaping to BSD style. | Aug 23 14:54 |
| oiaohm | openrc being able to support bsd and sysvinit and possilbe in future own I see as unification path. | Aug 23 14:54 |
| oiaohm | There was a issue with package maintainers saying sysvinit only on Linux. | Aug 23 14:55 |
| oiaohm | Maybe systemd being horible enough will make package maintainers in fact do unified when it properly appears. | Aug 23 14:55 |
| MinceR | so, what did Debian GNU/kFreeBSD do? | Aug 23 14:55 |
| MinceR | no, systemd being horrible is killing GNU/Linux. | Aug 23 14:56 |
| oiaohm | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD end up using sysvinit losing BSD ablity to kill services properly. | Aug 23 14:56 |
| MinceR | it has turned at least 9 major distros into fedora clones already. | Aug 23 14:56 |
| MinceR | funny how in one moment you say sysvinit doesn't work correctly on Linux and in the next you say it does. | Aug 23 14:57 |
| oiaohm | Where did I say sysvinit work correctly. | Aug 23 14:58 |
| oiaohm | Sysvinit on kFreebsd was just as broken as sysvinit on Linux kernel. | Aug 23 14:58 |
| oiaohm | This is why BSD pure distrobutions don't use it. | Aug 23 14:59 |
| MinceR | 155325 < oiaohm> The sad part is sysvinit script mostly only worked correctly on Linux as most Unix used BSD based. | Aug 23 14:59 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit script | Aug 23 14:59 |
| oiaohm | That is not saying sysvinit over all. | Aug 23 15:00 |
| oiaohm | I did not say exactly why sysvinit scripts failed. Funny enough is BSD shells historically have been more strict than Linux shells. | Aug 23 15:01 |
| MinceR | and you can run BSD shells on GNU/Linux | Aug 23 15:01 |
| oiaohm | For a long time if you replace the default shell with a BSD shell the result is sysvinit system under Linux does not boot. | Aug 23 15:02 |
| oiaohm | This is the level of broken incompadiblity. | Aug 23 15:03 |
| oiaohm | systemd not attempting to cross platform is mostly being truthful. | Aug 23 15:03 |
| oiaohm | Majority of sysvinit has not been cross platform for a long time. | Aug 23 15:04 |
| oiaohm | it would be so nice if hurding of the cats of BSD, Linux and Unix world was possible to define a proper unified initing system for them all. | Aug 23 15:05 |
| MinceR | that's not systemd | Aug 23 15:06 |
| MinceR | even though the nsa sure wishes it was | Aug 23 15:06 |
| oiaohm | systemd clearly targets not being cross platform. | Aug 23 15:06 |
| oiaohm | Those arguing for cross platform it really time they get there house in order. | Aug 23 15:07 |
| MinceR | so clearly they won't even accept patches | Aug 23 15:07 |
| oiaohm | That is the thing about systemd they have in my eyes gone out of their way to offend people. | Aug 23 15:08 |
| oiaohm | No that is either they are jerks or they are trying to trigger a counter group. | Aug 23 15:08 |
| MinceR | and yet they have a cult following | Aug 23 15:08 |
| oiaohm | No/now | Aug 23 15:08 |
| oiaohm | Exactly how does creating a cult following go against attempting to force the other side to unify. | Aug 23 15:09 |
| MinceR | and debian went down the drain | Aug 23 15:09 |
| oiaohm | Debian has not closed off voting on the topic in future. | Aug 23 15:10 |
| oiaohm | In fact Debian states it would be prefered if a functional cross freebsd/Linux appeared. | Aug 23 15:11 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter anymore | Aug 23 15:11 |
| oiaohm | Please note word functional that means the init system has to be able to kill off services correctly. | Aug 23 15:11 |
| MinceR | one can't trust a "stable" OS where random releases are unstable | Aug 23 15:11 |
| MinceR | especially if their "Long Time Support" means you have to pay up for pretty much any fix | Aug 23 15:12 |
| MinceR | debian gnu/kfreebsd and gnu/hurd are dead | Aug 23 15:12 |
| MinceR | and people are moving to bsd | Aug 23 15:12 |
| MinceR | so if this was just trolling, it's way past time to call it off. | Aug 23 15:13 |
| oiaohm | Debian gnu/kfreebsd is not dead quite yet. It updated 5 month of this year. | Aug 23 15:17 |
| oiaohm | I would say major releases are gone until DMD at least is ready. | Aug 23 15:17 |
| oiaohm | DMD is Linux, Hurd and BSD kernel compadible. On each using correct tracking methods. | Aug 23 15:18 |
| MinceR | it's no longer an official architecture | Aug 23 15:18 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/635450517695660033 | Aug 23 15:19 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz She ended up converting to Catholicism. | Aug 23 15:19 | |
| oiaohm | Really Debian GNU/kfreebsd end up being dropped because it was being more harm than having the users go use BSD itself MinceR | Aug 23 15:19 |
| oiaohm | At this stage. | Aug 23 15:20 |
| MinceR | yeah, i know, there are always excuses | Aug 23 15:20 |
| oiaohm | Please note it was dropped from offical release cycle only. | Aug 23 15:20 |
| oiaohm | Not reseach and development. | Aug 23 15:20 |
| oiaohm | This is why the window for Debian to change away from systemd has not closed yet. | Aug 23 15:21 |
| MinceR | closed or not, debian has failed on all of its promises | Aug 23 15:21 |
| MinceR | it's not free, it's not universal and it's not stable | Aug 23 15:21 |
| MinceR | it's as good as dead. | Aug 23 15:21 |
| oiaohm | Not stable is why Debian GNU/kfreebsd was dropped. | Aug 23 15:22 |
| MinceR | might as well drop the rest too | Aug 23 15:22 |
| oiaohm | The goal of going after stablity is what brought systemd in. | Aug 23 15:22 |
| MinceR | i'd say it's just another ubuntu now, but actually it's even worse | Aug 23 15:22 |
| MinceR | in that case, they have no idea what stability is, which is even worse | Aug 23 15:23 |
| oiaohm | No they know what stability is. Problem is they were way more reseached on how sysvinit was broken and hoped systemd was the path out. | Aug 23 15:23 |
| oiaohm | And they are getting kinda annoyed with it. | Aug 23 15:23 |
| MinceR | that's wrong. | Aug 23 15:23 |
| oiaohm | it being systemd. | Aug 23 15:23 |
| MinceR | systemd is far more broken than sysvinit ever was | Aug 23 15:24 |
| oiaohm | I have listed many cases of sysvinit being broken. | Aug 23 15:24 |
| MinceR | and i have listed many cases of systemd being broken | Aug 23 15:24 |
| MinceR | and an important difference is that you can't swap sysvinit out, but once you commit to systemd, there's no way out | Aug 23 15:25 |
| oiaohm | Reality is both sysvinit and systemd were borken. | Aug 23 15:25 |
| MinceR | to different degrees | Aug 23 15:25 |
| oiaohm | Also 2010 sysvinit went unmaintained. | Aug 23 15:25 |
| MinceR | also, systemd is unfixable | Aug 23 15:25 |
| oiaohm | Debian delayed the init vote as long as they could. | Aug 23 15:26 |
| MinceR | no they did not | Aug 23 15:26 |
| oiaohm | O yes they did. | Aug 23 15:26 |
| MinceR | they could have easily gone sysvinit for jessie | Aug 23 15:26 |
| MinceR | they chose to do everything they can to force systemd down their users' throats instead. | Aug 23 15:26 |
| oiaohm | In fact 1 year past the limit of when unmaintained packages are meant to be removed. | Aug 23 15:26 |
| oiaohm | Reality that sysvinit packages still exist in debian is they are allowing rules to be breached. | Aug 23 15:27 |
| MinceR | i'd choose an unmaintained package over a package with severe fundamental design flaws and a bad attitude on the part of its "maintainers" any day. | Aug 23 15:27 |
| MinceR | also, they pretended there's only sysvinit, upstart and systemd | Aug 23 15:27 |
| MinceR | even though there are dozens of others | Aug 23 15:27 |
| oiaohm | No they had openrc in mix. | Aug 23 15:27 |
| oiaohm | But at the time of vote it was crashing more often than systemd. | Aug 23 15:27 |
| MinceR | the packages won't help at all because hundreds of packages depend on systemd | Aug 23 15:27 |
| MinceR | debian wields package dependencies as weapons | Aug 23 15:27 |
| MinceR | they also broke debootstrap to force systemd and didn't integrate devuan's patch that fixes that | Aug 23 15:28 |
| MinceR | they also broke their "upgrades" to force systemd on users. | Aug 23 15:28 |
| MinceR | no, they claimed "openrc is not mature and we must hurry" | Aug 23 15:28 |
| MinceR | even though openrc is more mature than systemd (or poettering) ever will be. | Aug 23 15:29 |
| MinceR | funny, openrc worked just fine when i used gentoo | Aug 23 15:29 |
| MinceR | and that was before systemd even existed. | Aug 23 15:29 |
| MinceR | systemd apologists love claiming that certain things are impossible that were done regularly before systemd | Aug 23 15:30 |
| MinceR | it's impossible to maintain an OS with that attitude. | Aug 23 15:30 |
| MinceR | might as well close shop and say "sorry guys, but according to my new religion, this OS doesn't exist" | Aug 23 15:31 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: when did you try openrc. | Aug 23 15:32 |
| oiaohm | Sorry to say openrc has matured a lot since the last vote time. | Aug 23 15:32 |
| MinceR | i don't know, it wasn't even called openrc back then, afaik | Aug 23 15:32 |
| oiaohm | for Debian init systems. | Aug 23 15:32 |
| MinceR | it was a long time ago, before i used [k]ubuntu. | Aug 23 15:32 |
| oiaohm | That was before they implemented tracking right. | Aug 23 15:32 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: little mistake ehre. | Aug 23 15:34 |
| oiaohm | openrc has always been called openrc. | Aug 23 15:34 |
| oiaohm | Ok there has been only 1 minor change in name. | Aug 23 15:35 |
| oiaohm | Openrc is modern OpenRC is old. | Aug 23 15:35 |
| oiaohm | Opps | Aug 23 15:35 |
| oiaohm | OpenRc is old. | Aug 23 15:35 |
| oiaohm | completely hell to type. | Aug 23 15:35 |
| MinceR | then it wasn't advertised back then :> | Aug 23 15:35 |
| oiaohm | Really early openrc. cgroups was not used for tracking processors. Also at the time debian was looking at init systems the cgroup system in openrc has not stablised. | Aug 23 15:36 |
| oiaohm | Its a timing thing. | Aug 23 15:37 |
| oiaohm | Mandory vote due to unmaintained package replacement happens at the very time openrc is having issues. | Aug 23 15:37 |
| MinceR | again, debian was rushing to force systemd on its users | Aug 23 15:38 |
| MinceR | exactly the wrong approach. | Aug 23 15:38 |
| oiaohm | Debian has a consitution they have to follow. | Aug 23 15:38 |
| MinceR | taking over the maintenance of sysvinit would have been easier and it would have led to a stable jessie. | Aug 23 15:38 |
| MinceR | yeah, and see where it got them. | Aug 23 15:38 |
| oiaohm | Part of going unmaintained is waiting 12 months after asking for someone to pick up maintainership. | Aug 23 15:39 |
| oiaohm | Reality no one did pick up maintainership of sysvinit MinceR | Aug 23 15:39 |
| MinceR | allegedly debian has package maintainers. | Aug 23 15:40 |
| oiaohm | There is a difference between package maintainer and upstream maintainer that is in the consitution. | Aug 23 15:40 |
| oiaohm | Debian was trapped by their own rules. | Aug 23 15:41 |
| MinceR | rules can be changed | Aug 23 15:41 |
| oiaohm | Only if enough people agree in the votes with Debian. | Aug 23 15:41 |
| MinceR | and a free, stable, universal OS is more important than the rules. | Aug 23 15:41 |
| MinceR | that's the real problem there | Aug 23 15:41 |
| MinceR | redcrap/gnome entryism. | Aug 23 15:41 |
| oiaohm | The rules of debian still allow those who are maintainers to propose a new init vote. | Aug 23 15:42 |
| oiaohm | For the next release. | Aug 23 15:42 |
| MinceR | that would be equal to asking "are you still on redcrap payroll?" | Aug 23 15:42 |
| MinceR | and like i said, the next release doesn't matter. | Aug 23 15:43 |
| MinceR | one can't run mission critical systems on "maybe the next release won't suck". | Aug 23 15:43 |
| oiaohm | In fact no redhat personal who are debian maintainers is exactly zero. | Aug 23 15:43 |
| MinceR | i'm sure they use indirection to maintain the illusion that it's not them doing it | Aug 23 15:44 |
| oiaohm | Not at all. | Aug 23 15:44 |
| MinceR | if the software industry cared half as much about getting their shit to work as they care about tricking, misleading and forcing people, we would have working, reliable, secure software. | Aug 23 15:45 |
| MinceR | but instead we get a cesspool full of wannabe dictators. | Aug 23 15:45 |
| MinceR | and vista10, and systemd, and macos. | Aug 23 15:45 |
| oiaohm | Problem is when you get down to a vote without sysvinit over init systems 30 percent vote systemd. 10 vote openrc. And the rest go what the. | Aug 23 15:45 |
| MinceR | and flash, and html5 | Aug 23 15:45 |
| oiaohm | Basically the slient majority in Debian want something else. | Aug 23 15:46 |
| oiaohm | Problem is we need someone to provide it. | Aug 23 15:46 |
| oiaohm | Ok to be correct they are not that slient. | Aug 23 15:46 |
| MinceR | that will be devuan. | Aug 23 15:47 |
| oiaohm | That is still a modified systemd MinceR | Aug 23 15:47 |
| oiaohm | Please note the 60 percent stated they wanted cross kernel support. | Aug 23 15:47 |
| oiaohm | DMD if it can be got working will match what they requested. | Aug 23 15:48 |
| MinceR | hopefully they'll remove the rest of the tumore | Aug 23 15:48 |
| MinceR | s/.$// | Aug 23 15:48 |
| MinceR | if not, i'll use slackware, funtoo and/or gentoo. | Aug 23 15:48 |
| oiaohm | Its also horible with openrc with debian is the maintainer is kinda missing a lot. | Aug 23 15:49 |
| oiaohm | openrc has repeatedly failed debian automated quality controls. | Aug 23 15:49 |
| MinceR | their quality controls need quality control | Aug 23 15:49 |
| MinceR | if it passed systemd, it isn't worth anything. | Aug 23 15:50 |
| MinceR | there are so many red flags in systemd it isn't even funny. | Aug 23 15:50 |
| oiaohm | Funny enough the number of patches systemd maitnainer on debian is applying is not funny to it passes qa bots. | Aug 23 15:52 |
| oiaohm | I don't disagree there is a quality problem. | Aug 23 15:52 |
| oiaohm | Problem here is with debian qa bots you see qa problems with openrc and systemd | Aug 23 15:53 |
| MinceR | when their answer to a null pointer dereference in pid1 is "none of us tests this" that should be a clear warning | Aug 23 15:53 |
| MinceR | the scariest part is that these retards also managed to get their code in the kernel. | Aug 23 15:54 |
| oiaohm | Only after very serous reviews. | Aug 23 15:54 |
| oiaohm | Please note directly submitting code to Linux kernel they lost. | Aug 23 15:54 |
| MinceR | which will be history once they get rid of Linus | Aug 23 15:54 |
| oiaohm | Because out of 200 patches zero passed basic QA | Aug 23 15:54 |
| MinceR | and even so, hype-v with hardcoded "/etc.d/networking restart" somehow made it into the kernel. | Aug 23 15:55 |
| MinceR | (from a different team of retards, though) | Aug 23 15:55 |
| oiaohm | hype-v with hard coded passed linux kernel standard static anlization. | Aug 23 15:55 |
| oiaohm | Those 200 patches did not pass the automated tool of the Linux kernel. | Aug 23 15:56 |
| oiaohm | Let alone human review. | Aug 23 15:56 |
| MinceR | i was hoping there were also code reviews, not just automatic checks. | Aug 23 15:56 |
| MinceR | where such code should bring up the comment "what the fuck do you think you're doing?" | Aug 23 15:56 |
| oiaohm | https://sparse.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page << before submitting any patch you are meant to at least run this with the Linux kernel. | Aug 23 15:57 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-sparse.wiki.kernel.org | Sparse Wiki [ http://ur1.ca/4zkxc ] | Aug 23 15:57 | |
| oiaohm | And sparse is what the Linux kernel developers call the basic quality control MinceR | Aug 23 15:58 |
| oiaohm | Then you have formal review by other developers who sign off or place a reject notice on patch. | Aug 23 15:58 |
| oiaohm | Now when those doing reviews find the submitted patch does not pass sparse they are extreamly pissed off. | Aug 23 15:59 |
| oiaohm | Something with systemd I have not found any reports of them using any automated quality control tools. | Aug 23 16:00 |
| MinceR | they probably can't stand anyone criticizing their code | Aug 23 16:00 |
| MinceR | (or anything) | Aug 23 16:00 |
| oiaohm | The qa bots with debain use a lot of automated quality control tools. | Aug 23 16:01 |
| MinceR | i wonder how they hacked the bots to prevent them from checking systemd | Aug 23 16:02 |
| oiaohm | They did not. | Aug 23 16:03 |
| oiaohm | remember what I said about systemd in debian having a lot of patches. | Aug 23 16:04 |
| oiaohm | Lot of debian only patches fixing up what the bots found. | Aug 23 16:04 |
| MinceR | it's a pity design flaws, bad practices, bad processes and bad attitude can't be patched | Aug 23 16:05 |
| oiaohm | Basically systemd mainline 100 percent sure suxs. | Aug 23 16:05 |
| MinceR | which is what i keep saying. | Aug 23 16:05 |
| oiaohm | But debian is doing the best with the nightmare location they are in. | Aug 23 16:05 |
| MinceR | no, they're not | Aug 23 16:05 |
| oiaohm | They are. | Aug 23 16:05 |
| MinceR | doing the best would be keeping systemd out of the system. | Aug 23 16:05 |
| oiaohm | Replace with what. | Aug 23 16:05 |
| MinceR | along with all of its metastasises | Aug 23 16:06 |
| oiaohm | That is maitnained. | Aug 23 16:06 |
| oiaohm | maintained. | Aug 23 16:06 |
| MinceR | no, don't replace anything with systemd | Aug 23 16:06 |
| MinceR | debian didn't start with systemd | Aug 23 16:06 |
| oiaohm | You need a init system. | Aug 23 16:06 |
| MinceR | and they had one | Aug 23 16:06 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit is no longer maintained. | Aug 23 16:06 |
| MinceR | and they had several that could be dropped in | Aug 23 16:06 |
| oiaohm | Those also failed quality assessment. | Aug 23 16:06 |
| MinceR | they could maintain systemd with less effort than it takes to patch the holes the analyzers report in systemd. | Aug 23 16:06 |
| MinceR | all alternatives failing quality assessment is no reason for abandoning one and switching to another. | Aug 23 16:07 |
| oiaohm | again who is going to put there hand up for that. | Aug 23 16:07 |
| MinceR | s/maintain systemd/maintain sysvinit/ | Aug 23 16:07 |
| MinceR | i don't know and i don't care | Aug 23 16:07 |
| oiaohm | That is the problem. | Aug 23 16:07 |
| MinceR | but i suspect the VUAs would have done so if nobody else did | Aug 23 16:07 |
| oiaohm | VUA did not. | Aug 23 16:07 |
| MinceR | now they're stuck with more work because debian is led by idiots. | Aug 23 16:07 |
| oiaohm | You are kinda wrong. | Aug 23 16:08 |
| oiaohm | Leader can only go paths if the ones they leading are providing what they need. | Aug 23 16:08 |
| MinceR | yet there were enough people who wanted to go the right way | Aug 23 16:08 |
| oiaohm | Issue debian leaders have is they are stuck. | Aug 23 16:08 |
| MinceR | even at the cost of abandoning these shitty excuses for "leaders" | Aug 23 16:09 |
| MinceR | and even if they decided to make systemd the default, they could have still allowed for the option to use something sane | Aug 23 16:09 |
| oiaohm | The problem here a lot want to go a different path to systemd but no one is putting up the resources to go those other paths. | Aug 23 16:09 |
| MinceR | they chose to use every means available to them to force systemd on their users. | Aug 23 16:09 |
| MinceR | except as we speak some people are putting up more resources to go those other paths. | Aug 23 16:10 |
| oiaohm | And I hope they are successful. | Aug 23 16:10 |
| MinceR | even bsdutils depends on libsystemd0! | Aug 23 16:10 |
| MinceR | there isn't even any systemd in bsd! | Aug 23 16:10 |
| MinceR | there's no excuse for this | Aug 23 16:11 |
| oiaohm | I did go snooping into bsdutils I cannot remember what is refering libsystemd0 for but it something that is a hurd/freebsd syscall that is not a Linux kernel one. | Aug 23 16:19 |
| MinceR | apparently they've hacked some journald support into it that nobody asked for | Aug 23 16:20 |
| oiaohm | That it | Aug 23 16:20 |
| oiaohm | kernel in bsd and hurd can report what logging service to use. | Aug 23 16:20 |
| oiaohm | I really think that should have been fix libc | Aug 23 16:21 |
| MinceR | journald should never have been conceived | Aug 23 16:22 |
| oiaohm | Note I said logging service. So function to report command to use to properly wrap a service | Aug 23 16:23 |
| oiaohm | So hurd and BSD support changing logging services many times better than linux due to that syscall | Aug 23 16:24 |
| oiaohm | rsyslog has a wrapper program like journald does to capture logging same with a lot of other logging programs. | Aug 23 16:25 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: this is some of the evil once you dig a bit deeper there are bugs libsystemd0 is masking over. | Aug 23 16:26 |
| MinceR | it also helps redcrap and the NSA inject any code they want into many programs via "updates" to a library they keep claiming does nothing if you're not running systemd. | Aug 23 16:27 |
| oiaohm | Do note here that there was a problem that something was broken and all systemd does is patch over it incorrectly. | Aug 23 16:29 |
| oiaohm | So to reduce systemd embedding we have to work out how to to get some these faults fix. | Aug 23 16:30 |
| MinceR | we don't have to keep systemd in our system while we figure that out, though | Aug 23 16:30 |
| oiaohm | Maybe maybe not. | Aug 23 16:31 |
| oiaohm | I cannot remember the historic library that was connected all over the place. | Aug 23 16:31 |
| MinceR | debian squeeze has no systemd parts whatsoever | Aug 23 16:31 |
| oiaohm | That when a person went nuts removing it fixed so much it was not funny. | Aug 23 16:31 |
| MinceR | yet i can run it even today | Aug 23 16:31 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember the old pthread librarys. | Aug 23 16:32 |
| oiaohm | the one for pam. | Aug 23 16:32 |
| oiaohm | its no more. | Aug 23 16:32 |
| oiaohm | it was the same kind of issue as what libsystemd0 is doing. | Aug 23 16:32 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635502844788011008 | Aug 23 18:25 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @schestowitz nope. Known GRU officer tied to Buk movement. Fled in a panic back to RU bewailing the "disaster". | Aug 23 18:25 | |
| schestowitz | Buk movement and Buk usage not the same | Aug 23 18:25 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635503842747117568 | Aug 23 18:31 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @schestowitz no evidence of UA involvement in the #MH17 atrocity. | Aug 23 18:31 | |
| schestowitz | Not the army, the separatists | Aug 23 18:31 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635504838814642176 | Aug 23 18:33 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @schestowitz Pix of Buck launch plume from rebel held Snizhne. Buk witnessed in Snizhne. #MH17 | Aug 23 18:33 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635505735904960513 | Aug 23 18:40 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @schestowitz RU Buk "3X2", 53rd brigade, Kursk tracked from RU to Snizhne and back to RU less a missile. #MH17 | Aug 23 18:40 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/haniefhaider/status/635509928443150336 | Aug 23 18:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@haniefhaider: @schestowitz Did @MCFC not hv 11 wins in a row at beginning of 2011/2012 season? Why does 33 points stick in my mind? | Aug 23 18:55 | |
| schestowitz | not sure, but it's possible. Saw someone saying 9 in a row is a new record. | Aug 23 18:55 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/iridesce57/status/635523393467588608 | Aug 23 19:50 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@iridesce57: @schestowitz ... THIS ... | Aug 23 19:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/haniefhaider/status/635527423879172096 | Aug 23 20:15 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@haniefhaider: @schestowitz Did some research.They take ALL matches into account.We drew in champions league against Napoli along the way.19Sept11? @MCFC | Aug 23 20:15 | |
| schestowitz | Maybe that's why; depends on how it's counted | Aug 23 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6500991 | Aug 23 21:44 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@harryhaller@nerdpol.ch: BradCast_BradFriedman_RayMcGovernMH17_082015.mp3 - http://bradblog.com/audio/BradCast_BradFriedman_RayMcGovernMH17_082015.mp3 via @{Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) ; schestowitz@joindiaspora.com} #raymcgovern #ciavet #cia | Aug 23 21:44 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6500188 | Aug 23 21:45 |
| schestowitz | "If the idea is to boycott US products and brands it’s working on me." | Aug 23 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Not so easy, and much of it is made in China anyway, with US brand put on it all before shipping | Aug 23 21:46 |
| schestowitz | To boycott them where it hurts boycott weapons like bombs, planes (if you as a citizen can buy any at all) | Aug 23 21:46 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/99bazaar/status/635685199532158976 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635686404169801729 | Aug 24 07:04 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@99bazaar: @schestowitz thanks for the retweet today :) | Aug 24 07:04 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @loondale I never ruled out Buk. I ruled out Snizhne launch site. You deliberately misrepresent what I said. #MH17 @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 24 07:05 | |
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| schestowitz | >>>> >>>> http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/24/us-france-train-shots-lawyer-idUSKCN0QS0HF20150824 | Aug 24 10:51 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.reuters.com | French train gunman 'dumbfounded' by terrorist tag | Reuters [ http://ur1.ca/njbmo ] | Aug 24 10:51 | |
| schestowitz | >>>>>> >>>> >> | Aug 24 10:51 |
| schestowitz | >>>>>> >>>> >> taquiya | Aug 24 10:51 |
| schestowitz | >>>> >>> > What does that mean? | Aug 24 10:51 |
| schestowitz | >>>> >>> > | Aug 24 10:51 |
| schestowitz | >>>> >>> > | Aug 24 10:51 |
| schestowitz | >> >> Authorized / encouraged lying to further their jihad. There are | Aug 24 10:51 |
| schestowitz | >> >> spelling variants since it is a transliteration. There is also a | Aug 24 10:51 |
| schestowitz | >> >> variant, lying by omission, but that I think is not relevant here. | Aug 24 10:51 |
| schestowitz | > > | Aug 24 10:51 |
| schestowitz | > > Maybe what the lawyer told him to say, painting him as a hungry victim. | Aug 24 10:51 |
| schestowitz | I doubt that even lawyers are allowed to bend the truth that far. | Aug 24 10:51 |
| schestowitz | Either way, he'll end up in an incubator (aka jail) for what some people | Aug 24 10:51 |
| schestowitz | are trying to re-label as radicalism. There he will indoctrinate others | Aug 24 10:51 |
| schestowitz | and in turn be further indoctrinated. Oh, well, since he survived, it | Aug 24 10:51 |
| schestowitz | is for the courts to sort out. | Aug 24 10:51 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6503218 | Aug 24 10:53 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #twitter - like #facebook - is increasingly a platform of #censorship and #surveillance - need to reduce people's dependence on both | Aug 24 10:53 | |
| schestowitz | "Chinese name…well, it is in my driving license 😀😀😀. I’m living in Beijing" | Aug 24 10:53 |
| schestowitz | My wife got a Chinese name while in taiwan. they seem to insist on Mandarinising people. | Aug 24 10:53 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635763572119859200 | Aug 24 11:52 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @masamikuramoto @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz Russian evidence re #MH17 fails all stress tests,clear Kremlin is hiding something,poorly | Aug 24 11:52 | |
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| schestowitz | >> > | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > The PDF | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.ris-muenchen.de/RII/RII/DOK/ANTRAG/3745830.pdf | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > is signed by these two | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > Sabine Pfeiler, Stadtrat | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > Otto Seidl, Stadtrat | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > Your German is certainly better than mine, but there are probably these | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > two: | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > <a href="http://www.ris-muenchen.de/RII/RII/ris_mitglieder_detail.jsp?risid=3312549&periodeid=3184778"></a> | Aug 24 12:23 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.ris-muenchen.de | RIS München - Bereich Stadtrat - Stadtratsmitglieder - Detailsuche [ http://ur1.ca/njd3z ] | Aug 24 12:23 | |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > <a href="http://www.ris-muenchen.de/RII/RII/ris_mitglieder_detail.jsp?risid=1418516&periodeid=3184778"></a> | Aug 24 12:23 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.ris-muenchen.de | RIS München - Bereich Stadtrat - Stadtratsmitglieder - Detailsuche [ http://ur1.ca/njd40 ] | Aug 24 12:23 | |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > They're both in office through 2020. | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > The main argument that the laptops have no programs for text editing, | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > Skype, Office etc does not hold water. LibreOffice and even nasty ol' | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > unsafe Skype are available for GNU/Linux on x86, though the latter has | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > not been approved by the IT dept there. But the Tech Republic article | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > does say they are using Intel processors and that LibreOffice is on them. | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > Seidl had in 2014 defended LiMux against mayor Dieter Reiter and Josef | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > Schmid. However, I think that something is fishy, but cannot find | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > anything with just a cursory search | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | This morning I mentioned the CBS report (TechRep owned by CBS) without a link, regarding what goes on in India right now. There's also that story from Italy that Microsoft propaganda sites are now banging about. | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | I think Vista 10 is a real pain in the arse, esp. for government, so Microsoft will need to do anything (even blackmail and bribes) to get its way there. | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> Two 'softers. Annoying that they get any press at all. | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | >>>>> >>> > | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | >>>>> >>> > Nick Heath <http://www.techrepublic.com/search/?a=nick+heath> is on | Aug 24 12:23 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.techrepublic.com | Nick Heath - TechRepublic Editor [ http://ur1.ca/nhlfk ] | Aug 24 12:23 | |
| schestowitz | >>>>> >>> > the good side. He has been covering this for years and his intention | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | >>>>> >>> > is to raise awareness, scrutiny, and maybe attract scrutiny to the | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | >>>>> >>> > people that try to derail. I hope this leads to many people, esp. in | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | >>>>> >>> > Munich, publicly mocking the | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | >>>>> >>> > culprits.<https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=@nickjheath> | Aug 24 12:24 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-twitter.com | Nick Heath (@NickJHeath) on Twitter [ http://ur1.ca/nhlfo ] | Aug 24 12:24 | |
| schestowitz | >>> >> Good. Because it does look like only two softers and not two | Aug 24 12:24 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> independent people. More can be done to bring up the games that M$ | Aug 24 12:24 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> /continues/ to play against competitors, especially FOSS. Too many are | Aug 24 12:24 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> falling for that "another chance" tactic, one that's been used every few | Aug 24 12:24 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> years for decades. | Aug 24 12:24 |
| schestowitz | >> > Is there anything negative or suspicious in the professional background of the troublemakers. Maybe college mates who now work at Microsoft? Maybe more blackmailed members of Parliament, like in UK and Norway (if you do, we'll do this for your area, if you don't, we'll punish you)? | Aug 24 12:24 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635771099473670144 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635771099473670144 https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635774981553655808 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635776167258247168 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635776943879778304 | Aug 24 12:56 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @MJoyce2244 Denial may be an option for you but not for investigators/prosecutors. #MH17 @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 24 12:56 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @masamikuramoto @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz your story changes again,you ruled out BuK and happily blamed Python missile #MH17 | Aug 24 12:56 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @roarbro I haven't seen any stress tests performed, bellingcat doesn't count, no expertise. #MH17 @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 24 12:56 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @MJoyce2244 Radar analysis wasn't part of preliminary report, is still waiting to be published. #MH17 @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 24 12:56 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635779045473525760 https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635779375410061313 | Aug 24 12:57 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @masamikuramoto @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz afraid so SU-25 claim failed,Israeli Python failed,bomb on board failed,sat pic failed #MH17 | Aug 24 12:57 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @masamikuramoto @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz Kremlin's desperate search for any cause other than BuK to blame failed,BuKs the Killer #MH17 | Aug 24 12:57 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TokyoRose_01/status/635781096324526080 | Aug 24 12:57 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@TokyoRose_01: #auspol Australia's forgotten coup https://t.co/tMinvBUsEl | Aug 24 12:57 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: John Pilger: CIA role in Australia's forgotten coup https://t.co/SEuhbzxS9G "fascist putsch against an elected government in Ukraine" | Aug 24 12:57 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/64AnthonyP/status/635782448631037952 | Aug 24 12:59 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@64AnthonyP: @TokyoRose_01 @schestowitz Nah. I'm sure if you ask Rupert Murdoch he'd say something different to Pilger. | Aug 24 12:59 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/OlgaCorbett/status/635782556248580096 | Aug 24 13:00 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@OlgaCorbett: @irishexaminer @sn0wba111. Malware. https://t.co/kSarTA1RXz | Aug 24 13:00 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #Microsoft #Windows Leads to #Espionage and #Blackmail : Latest Examples http://t.co/Jv2lazfAI4 negligent to even think #security possible | Aug 24 13:00 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TokyoRose_01/status/635782821601148928\ | Aug 24 13:00 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@TokyoRose_01: @64AnthonyP @schestowitz lol ... Rupert's the propagandist for the fascist putsch? lol | Aug 24 13:00 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/64AnthonyP/status/635783162849656832 | Aug 24 13:00 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@64AnthonyP: @TokyoRose_01 @schestowitz All he said to his editors was "Kill Whitlam". That's all! No biggie. | Aug 24 13:00 | |
| schestowitz | Politics on demand, killing using words | Aug 24 13:01 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TokyoRose_01/status/635783451925311488 | Aug 24 13:01 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@TokyoRose_01: @64AnthonyP @schestowitz lol .. you make old Rupert sound sooooooooo hot. ;) | Aug 24 13:01 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/64AnthonyP/status/635784063924592640 | Aug 24 13:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@64AnthonyP: @TokyoRose_01 @schestowitz Look up Rupert Murdoch and Nugan Hand Bank. Here's a start. https://t.co/N4Ial2qjYW | Aug 24 13:02 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> nuganhand.wordpress.com | Whitlam, the CIA and Nugan Hand | Chasing Nugan Hand | Aug 24 13:02 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/CT4444/status/635784229612335106 | Aug 24 13:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@CT4444: @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @loondale @schestowitz "Heavy cloud cover" not true. Changeable & sparse - - -> http://t.co/LDc1JEKi8o | Aug 24 13:03 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@CT4444: @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @loondale @schestowitz "Heavy cloud cover" not true. Changeable & sparse - - -> http://t.co/LDc1JEKi8o | Aug 24 13:03 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/CT4444/status/635784229612335106 https://twitter.com/64AnthonyP/status/635784571800326144 | Aug 25 01:04 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@64AnthonyP: @TokyoRose_01 @schestowitz He was hot, but like a failed soufflé, he shrivelled as he cooled. http://t.co/6hEaQsrM8E | Aug 25 01:04 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@64AnthonyP: @TokyoRose_01 @schestowitz He was hot, but like a failed soufflé, he shrivelled as he cooled. http://t.co/6hEaQsrM8E | Aug 25 01:04 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/64AnthonyP/status/635784882954743808 https://twitter.com/TokyoRose_01/status/635784887685902336 | Aug 25 01:06 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@64AnthonyP: @schestowitz @TokyoRose_01 Question is, was he ordered to do it, or was it his idea? | Aug 25 01:06 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@TokyoRose_01: @64AnthonyP @schestowitz Oh, Sweet Jesus ... I guess I don't like power as much as I thought ... lol | Aug 25 01:06 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635798889329750017 https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635806511277715456 | Aug 25 01:07 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @roarbro I never ruled out Buk just like MoD didn't rule it out either. I ruled out Snizhne. #MH17 @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:07 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @masamikuramoto liar. Section 2.5.3 of DSB report details ATC surveillance (radar), dumbass. #MH17 @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:07 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635807391859261440 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635813749853696000 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635814011599253504 | Aug 25 01:11 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @masamikuramoto @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz nope,your caught again,try and keep up #MH17 http://t.co/TFloeQLbqp | Aug 25 01:11 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @masamikuramoto @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz nope,your caught again,try and keep up #MH17 http://t.co/TFloeQLbqp | Aug 25 01:11 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @MJoyce2244 @masamikuramoto @CT4444 @schestowitz Even the RUE in their big #MH17 report noted the heavy clouds. http://t.co/hD8y478LKh | Aug 25 01:11 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @MJoyce2244 @masamikuramoto @CT4444 @schestowitz Even the RUE in their big #MH17 report noted the heavy clouds. http://t.co/hD8y478LKh | Aug 25 01:11 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @CT4444 @schestowitz U are the one in denial. Grasping at straws with boxing gloves on. Can't decide jet or BUK? | Aug 25 01:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635814414822842368 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635814600773083136 | Aug 25 01:13 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @CT4444 @schestowitz Yah, DSB mentions radar. Radar part of ATC data, silly. #MH17 http://t.co/uZkJgwRAJM | Aug 25 01:13 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @CT4444 @schestowitz Yah, DSB mentions radar. Radar part of ATC data, silly. #MH17 http://t.co/uZkJgwRAJM | Aug 25 01:13 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @MJoyce2244 @masamikuramoto @CT4444 @schestowitz I LOVE how he denies FACTS to suit his whims. LOL. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:13 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635815214978605057 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635815390111789056 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635815632173432832 | Aug 25 01:14 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @loondale it's kinda funny really. Just brazen lies now. @masamikuramoto is not even trying to appear credible. #MH17 @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:14 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @masamikuramoto @CT4444 @schestowitz U can't even find the ball. US had many special sats that detected BUK launch. Where is RU's?? #MH17 | Aug 25 01:14 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @masamikuramoto @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz No one mentioned @bellingcat.Your paranoia is so funny. Keep blathering. We expect it. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:14 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635815862080012288 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635816204473659392 | Aug 25 01:15 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @roarbro @masamikuramoto @CT4444 @schestowitz Funny how RU kept spinning SU-25 & HOAX pilots until DSB final draft. VERY telling. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:15 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @masamikuramoto @CT4444 @schestowitz You have been parading your little SU-25 fantasy. We all saw it, pal. Now U claim BUK. LOL. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:15 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635816429695188993 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635816639901102080 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635819956584755202 https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635820026889695233 | Aug 25 01:16 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @masamikuramoto @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz Nope. You haven't ruled out Snizhne. What? Because Almaz-Antey says so? That's cute. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:16 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @roarbro @masamikuramoto @CT4444 @schestowitz He doesn't know squat. He's just trolling for worthless rubles. LOL. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:16 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @MJoyce2244 @masamikuramoto @CT4444 @schestowitz He never was credible. Just keeps digging himself in deeper as screenshots show. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:16 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @loondale @masamikuramoto @CT4444 @schestowitz trolls himself half the time,cannot keep his story straight #MH17 | Aug 25 01:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635820480075825152 https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635820565408911360 https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635820953705009152 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635821141857312768 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635821908634791937 | Aug 25 01:19 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @roarbro @masamikuramoto @CT4444 @schestowitz I know. Loving the stellar example he has made of himself as a big fat liar. Denial city.#MH17 | Aug 25 01:19 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @loondale @masamikuramoto @CT4444 @schestowitz Kremlin's belated admission BuK downed #MH17 shows they failed at blaming UA aircraft | Aug 25 01:19 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @loondale @masamikuramoto @CT4444 @schestowitz self trolling happens when your not that sharp,Kremlin relies on gullible re #MH17 | Aug 25 01:19 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @CT4444 @schestowitz FACT: #MH17 investigators have the evidence which U so obviously fear. Noose tightening! | Aug 25 01:19 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @roarbro @masamikuramoto @CT4444 @schestowitz He has very short memory. Piles lie upon lie. Can't dig himself out now. All have seen. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:19 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635822466380775424 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635822608810930176 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635822964475359232 | Aug 25 01:19 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @masamikuramoto @CT4444 @schestowitz You haven't proven anything of the sort. Still waiting for U to PROVE SU-25s downed 7/17. Well?? #MH17 | Aug 25 01:19 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @roarbro The reason why I don't "keep my story straight" is because I'm not resistant to facts. #MH17 @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:19 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @roarbro I don't rule out anything except what has been proven wrong, e.g. Snizhne Buk. #MH17 @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:19 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635825710192586752 https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635826191367303168 https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635826196094316546 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635828327723462656 https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635828879530295297 | Aug 25 01:21 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @masamikuramoto @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz u denied BuK was the killer,blamed Israeli Python,backpedaling! #MH17 http://t.co/VnhYfOdEOf | Aug 25 01:21 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @masamikuramoto @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz u denied BuK was the killer,blamed Israeli Python,backpedaling! #MH17 http://t.co/VnhYfOdEOf | Aug 25 01:21 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @masamikuramoto @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz your story not is straight because you try to adapt what you claim to suit Rus claims #MH17 | Aug 25 01:21 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @masamikuramoto you're a complete dumbass. Pix of Buk launch from Snizhne in JIT body of evidence. @roarbro @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:21 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @loondale Do I really have to explain why I consider Almaz-Antey more reliable than bellingcat? #MH17 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:21 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @masamikuramoto @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz Almaz-Antey is a Russian state company hardly credible to say unbiased re #MH17 | Aug 25 01:21 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635829496315281408 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635829862863908864 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635830178367807488 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635830549790236672 | Aug 25 01:24 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @masamikuramoto @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz @bellingcat did not have detection sats, now did they? I DO love how you keep advertising them | Aug 25 01:24 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @MJoyce2244 Almaz-Antey's analysis is in JIT body of evidence too. So? #MH17 @roarbro @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:24 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @roarbro @masamikuramoto @CT4444 @schestowitz Kremlintroll rule #1: DENY! #2: DENY! #3 DENY #4: add lies to ice the denial cake. LOL. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:24 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @roarbro Now there's evidence of a Buk launch from Zaroschenskoe, so I consider Buk possible again. #MH17 @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:24 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635830833908158464 https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635834238273777664 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635834968153956352 | Aug 25 01:24 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @roarbro New evidence, new theories. I really don't see what problem you have with that. #MH17 @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:25 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @masamikuramoto nope. A-A got caught lying and impeached itself. You've made a fool of yourself. #MH17 @roarbro @loondale @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:25 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @MJoyce2244 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @schestowitz And let's not forget Almaz-Antey did NOT have hands on debris, just armchair w/pix. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:25 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635835222559490049 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635835643332030464 https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635836756303171584 https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635837242028785665 | Aug 25 01:26 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @MJoyce2244 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @schestowitz And A-A also does NOT have autopsy results with seating charts so missing a lot! #MH17 | Aug 25 01:26 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @MJoyce2244 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @schestowitz A-A can't tell much of anything which the DSB can. So we can dismiss A-A launch. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:26 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @masamikuramoto @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz well then don't deny you wrote BuK off before,man up to your mistakes,as Kremlin should #MH17 | Aug 25 01:26 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @masamikuramoto @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz evidence for Zaroschenskoe ( also rebel controlled) is weak,A-A was less than accurate #MH17 | Aug 25 01:26 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635839312093954049 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635839753615732736 | Aug 25 01:30 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @roarbro @masamikuramoto @CT4444 @schestowitz Oh the irony that in A-A's haste to debunk Snizhne launch they placed BUK in rebel terr. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:30 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @masamikuramoto @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz Nope. Snizhne has not been proven wrong. Well, in your fantasy world maybe. LOL. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:30 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635844198047068160 https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635846050096513024 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635848178647089152 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635850948519284738 https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635852068457181184 | Aug 25 01:31 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @loondale LOL, the Dutch don't know sh*t about Buks. #MH17 @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:31 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @masamikuramoto guess you haven't heard that Finland provided Buk expertise to the DSB. #MH17 @loondale @roarbro @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:31 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @schestowitz U are so silly. DSB includes all the worldwide experts it wants, in weaponry etc. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:31 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @MJoyce2244 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @schestowitz Willing to bet they were not the only ones to do analysis. DSB report should list. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:31 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @loondale DSB probably got a couple Buks and did comparative analysis on aircraft hulks. #MH17 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635855460877381632 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635857102276304897 https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635857673171402753 https://twitter.com/CT4444/status/635859487052705792 | Aug 25 01:32 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @MJoyce2244 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @schestowitz Not to mention that 2 other expert labs already analyzed & reported on BUK frags. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:32 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @loondale And that matters why? #MH17 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:32 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @masamikuramoto you truly are an idiot. Lol!@loondale @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:32 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@CT4444: @masamikuramoto @roarbro @schestowitz Wow! @loondale admits Snizhne has been debunked but claims BUK frags found in #MH17 She blames UA! | Aug 25 01:32 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635859536415473665 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635859806562189312 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635860388010196992 https://twitter.com/silver_stacker/status/635860556986060801 | Aug 25 01:33 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @MJoyce2244 As long as A-A's analysis is accurate, why does it matter where it locates the launch area? #MH17 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:33 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @MJoyce2244 Oh, I forgot, for you guys this isn't about finding out what actually happened. #MH17 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:33 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz You miss the point that A-A's analysis couldn't possibly be accurate. No hands on. | Aug 25 01:33 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@silver_stacker: @CT4444 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @schestowitz @loondale Wtf? What's mad brass instrument Michael's take on this? I forget his twitter name! | Aug 25 01:33 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/CT4444/status/635861367782834176 https://twitter.com/Malinka1102/status/635861762387144705 https://twitter.com/Jetagodi/status/635863767339941888 https://twitter.com/Jetagodi/status/635864152435728385 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635864313610272768 | Aug 25 01:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@CT4444: @silver_stacker @masamikuramoto @roarbro @schestowitz @loondale Michael Joyce's twitter name is @PathologicalLiar | Aug 25 01:35 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Malinka1102: @CT4444 Is she on the wrong drugs?! @masamikuramoto @roarbro @schestowitz @loondale | Aug 25 01:35 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Jetagodi: @MJoyce2244 Khmuryi tapes are frauds. Date of conversation at 7/17 has been falsified on content analysis alone @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:35 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Jetagodi: @MJoyce2244 Spotter taps unlikely. If spotter existed he would have differentiated between AN and B777 in speed and height @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:35 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @loondale The DSB had hands on for months but gave us no more than "high-energy objects". #MH17 @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Jetagodi/status/635864625012195328 https://twitter.com/Jetagodi/status/635864973118447617 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635865201368256512 https://twitter.com/Jetagodi/status/635865241876885504 | Aug 25 01:36 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Jetagodi: @schestowitz Not single item of the BUK trail confirmed as dated on 7/17. Some clearly from other dates (Zuhres, Luhansk vids) @MJoyce2244 | Aug 25 01:36 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Jetagodi: @loondale False info. Will be debunked soon. Don''t hold ur breath!! @roarbro @masamikuramoto @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:36 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz It WAS a preliminary report. Go see ICAO checklist for prelim rpts! #MH17 | Aug 25 01:36 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Jetagodi: @loondale By whom is Mark - "side skirt" - Brown being paid by the way? @roarbro @masamikuramoto @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635865318649405440 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635865425910308868 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635865798196768768 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635865890463072260 | Aug 25 01:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @masamikuramoto A-A's analysis is laughable. Angle wrong. Guidance wrong. Proximity fuse wrong. #MH17 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:37 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz And at time of prelim rpt DSB hadn't recovered all #MH17 debris & remains. | Aug 25 01:37 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @MJoyce2244 Guess you haven't heard A-A's analysis based on Buk specifications never disclosed before. #MH17 @loondale @roarbro @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:37 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz We were discussing A-A lame arse analysis, not DSB. Nice subject change tho' #MH17 | Aug 25 01:37 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635867010149294082 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635867243432308736 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635867617509658624 https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635868251243745280 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635868269455523840 | Aug 25 01:38 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @MJoyce2244 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz The A-A BUK presser was last ditch attempt by RU to save face. Nothing more. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:38 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @MJoyce2244 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz He thinks 'only' A-A knows about BUK specs? That's kinda cute, no? #MH17 | Aug 25 01:38 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @loondale They still haven't done that. I guess they're not interested. #MH17 @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:38 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @loondale @schestowitz Finland has the BuK,please stop playing catch up re #MH17 | Aug 25 01:38 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @loondale Figuring out right side of cockpit much less damaged only requires a photo. #MH17 @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:38 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635868503778660353 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635868686700650496 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635869135587684352 https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635869439901237248 | Aug 25 01:39 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @Jetagodi nope. The "rebels" were using spotter who reported that the "bird" was very high. #MH17 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:39 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @loondale By the way, A-A did inspect the wreckage in NL, if I remember correctly. #MH17 @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:39 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @loondale Also, A-A so convinced of own analysis, they're ready to prove it by experiment. #MH17 @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:39 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @masamikuramoto @loondale @MJoyce2244 @CT4444 @schestowitz lol last time you said that you maintained A-A wanted to prove NOT a BuK re #MH17 | Aug 25 01:39 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635869528220651521 https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635869807456452608 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635869856131350528 | Aug 25 01:40 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @masamikuramoto @loondale @MJoyce2244 @CT4444 @schestowitz you need to focus more ;) | Aug 25 01:40 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @CT4444 @masamikuramoto @schestowitz @loondale odd comment,she clearly mentions A-A tried to debunk, | Aug 25 01:40 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz DSB Preliminary report covered every ICAO requirement. Stop whining! #MH17 | Aug 25 01:40 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/CT4444/status/635870099874914304 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635870274341195776 https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635870481464336384 https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635870592034598912 | Aug 25 01:41 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@CT4444: @masamikuramoto @loondale @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @schestowitz DSB claim they 'found' something somewhere, but what- -> http://t.co/Rvu1bN6gwD | Aug 25 01:41 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@CT4444: @masamikuramoto @loondale @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @schestowitz DSB claim they 'found' something somewhere, but what- -> http://t.co/Rvu1bN6gwD | Aug 25 01:41 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @loondale I'd say it was the first round of egg on US/EU/UA faces, with more to come. #MH17 @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:41 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @masamikuramoto so now you're saying the Kremlin was lying about magic jets all along, dumbass? @loondale @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:41 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @masamikuramoto @loondale @MJoyce2244 @CT4444 @schestowitz Kremlin's #MH17 claims are making it into the doddering old man off the World | Aug 25 01:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sense_amr/status/635870795454017536 https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635870896440393728 https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635871204105146368 | Aug 25 01:42 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@sense_amr: @CT4444 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @schestowitz @loondale @NewsCoverUp umm we always knew it was UA who did it | Aug 25 01:42 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @masamikuramoto you remember wrong. Kremlin gave A-A DSB info following a classified briefing. @loondale @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:42 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @masamikuramoto too late. Actual credible authorities have no doubt already done it. #MH17 @loondale @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:42 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635872038947827712 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635872270901231617 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635872545003175937 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635873043731099648 | Aug 25 01:43 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @masamikuramoto Kremlin is a laughing stock. Look at you and your flip flopping nonsense. #MH17 @loondale @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:43 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz No need to reconstruct the entire plane, silly. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:43 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @roarbro @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @CT4444 @schestowitz Heck no. he's on a roll, lying left & right. Can't even remember his lies. LOL. | Aug 25 01:43 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @MJoyce2244 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz Not to mention the 'Lavrov #MH17 whine of the day.' Truly pathetic. | Aug 25 01:43 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635873157681950720 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635873504949350400 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635873807287349248 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635873968789057536 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635874236662444033 | Aug 25 01:44 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @loondale @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @CT4444 @schestowitz he was broke ages ago,stuck in a loop since | Aug 25 01:44 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @MJoyce2244 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz And that would not have included autopsy results compared to seating. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:44 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @sense_amr @CT4444 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @schestowitz @NewsCoverUp Yet you have ZERO proof. Therefore your say-so is worthless. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:44 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @loondale Ah, but "hands on" is necessary? #MH17 @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:44 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @roarbro @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @CT4444 @schestowitz My vote is to block this fool and cut off his rubles! ASAP! | Aug 25 01:44 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635874557908385792 https://twitter.com/sense_amr/status/635874761889857536 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635874810451599360 | Aug 25 01:44 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @loondale @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @CT4444 @schestowitz meh i like him as a foil,highlights all that is wrong in Rus MoD propaganda | Aug 25 01:44 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@sense_amr: @loondale @ct4444 @masamikuramoto @schestowitz @newscoverup how surprising a "science" follower moron should parrot the mainstream line LOL | Aug 25 01:44 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz Can't do serious modelling/analysis from a 2-dimensional pic, dimwit! #MH17 | Aug 25 01:44 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635875463580270592 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635877846293028865 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635878507126636545 | Aug 25 01:45 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @masamikuramoto @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz No evidence whatsoever for Zaroschenskoe launch. DO catch up. Your lies are slipping! #MH17 | Aug 25 01:45 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @MJoyce2244 I'd rather flip-flop than stick with the debunked Snizhne nonsense. #MH17 @loondale @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:45 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @MJoyce2244 Look at what's left of Snizhne: plume pic, witness, trajectory, all debunked. #MH17 @loondale @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:45 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635880114681679872 https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635880286153277440 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635880716925059072 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635883500315480064 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635883844013584385 | Aug 25 01:46 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz Not a one has been debunked, pal. Least of which is IR sat detection. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:46 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz none have been debunked,simply saying it is is not enough #MH17 | Aug 25 01:46 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz Seriously? That's a joke. Besides JIT keeps their evidence close to vest. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:46 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @CT4444 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @schestowitz No, Clem. U obviously can't read. I said A-A's ATTEMPT to debunk Snizhne. FAILED! #MH17 | Aug 25 01:46 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @roarbro @CT4444 @masamikuramoto @schestowitz Yah, Clem needs glasses obviously. he can't read & he sees all sorts of gremlins. LOL. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:46 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635884440472977408 https://twitter.com/CT4444/status/635886616356233216 https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635887277860761600 https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635889823530786816 https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635890468690231297 | Aug 25 01:47 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @roarbro @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @CT4444 @schestowitz It's just his delusions. He thinks by saying stuff it becomes credible. LOL. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:47 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@CT4444: @roarbro @masamikuramoto @schestowitz @loondale Misquoting your Ratty friends now? She said: "haste to debunk Snizhne launch" - not 'try' | Aug 25 01:47 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @CT4444 @masamikuramoto @schestowitz @loondale yup,she also put A-A into the sentence clem you got over excited #MH17 | Aug 25 01:47 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @masamikuramoto you lied about Snizhne evidence. You lie about everything constantly. #MH17 @loondale @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:47 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @masamikuramoto too bad the Snizhne pix deemed genuine by experts and in DSB body of evidence @loondale @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:47 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635890668653682688 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635890668653682688 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635891480503132160 https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635891703845638144 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635892580144803840 | Aug 25 01:48 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @MJoyce2244 Nah, you're just constantly in denial. #MH17 @loondale @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:48 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @MJoyce2244 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz Still wondering why RU has not aired any SBIRS or similar data. Hmm. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:48 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @masamikuramoto you're the admitted flip flopper and proven liar not me. @loondale @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:48 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @MJoyce2244 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz Funny how ONLY the RU fantasies keep flip flopping. #MH17 truth IS constant. ODD. | Aug 25 01:48 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/huehuehuio/status/635896218149908480 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635897653432336384 https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635899338569478144 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635900555261550592 | Aug 25 01:50 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@huehuehuio: @masamikuramoto Mickey/Mary/Rory is not payed to look at reality #MH17 @MJoyce2244 @loondale @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:50 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @loondale It's the difference between science and dogma. #MH17 @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:50 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @masamikuramoto that's hilarious coming from a lying flip flopper. @loondale @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:50 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @MJoyce2244 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz Strange how the #MH17 hard evidence has not changed a bit. Such a nonsense claim. | Aug 25 01:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635901782816870400 https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635902407218724864 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635902991321694208 | Aug 25 01:51 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @MJoyce2244 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz Then lies about lying. Nice of 'Bro to post them up, eh? #MH17 | Aug 25 01:51 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @loondale Putinism is a fascinating study of depravity. @masamikuramoto @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:51 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @MJoyce2244 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz Constant state of denial. Well, won't they be surprised. JIT has tons of evidence. | Aug 25 01:51 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/huehuehuio/status/635955616763224064 https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/635961946639081472 | Aug 25 01:53 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@huehuehuio: @masamikuramoto Westerbake knows - he looks like he enjoys sitting on a Buk missile. @loondale @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:53 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jurasick: @schestowitz my opinion: some work-related apps, including stuff like GotoMeeting are not available, MS Office not fully supported in Libre | Aug 25 01:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/GoToMeeting/status/635964154709442560 https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/635968136135766016 | Aug 25 01:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@GoToMeeting: @jurasick @schestowitz Our Web App runs in Chrome on Linux, we're working to add hosting meeting also http://t.co/3w0Ki4zVfV ^GD | Aug 25 01:54 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> support.citrixonline.com | GoToMeeting Web App - GoToMeeting | Aug 25 01:54 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jurasick: @GoToMeeting @schestowitz looking forward, I host very often. Right now I start a meeting on my iPhone & pass controls to Linux user. | Aug 25 01:54 | |
| *schestowitz has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) | Aug 25 03:56 | |
| *schestowitz (~roy@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell | Aug 25 03:56 | |
| *ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz | Aug 25 03:56 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6505927 | Aug 25 04:00 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Tweaking the Linux desktop http://manilastandardtoday.com/mobile/2015/08/24/tweaking-the-linux-desktop "NO operating system is perfect and Linux is no exception." #gnu #linux | Aug 25 04:00 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> manilastandardtoday.com | The Standard | Latest News in the Philippines [ http://ur1.ca/njngl ] | Aug 25 04:00 | |
| schestowitz | "If GNU/Linux isn’t perfect, you can write something to make it perfect." | Aug 25 04:00 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6503218 | Aug 25 04:00 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #twitter - like #facebook - is increasingly a platform of #censorship and #surveillance - need to reduce people's dependence on both | Aug 25 04:00 | |
| schestowitz | "My friend just picked up this one when we were on the line… The system didn’t accepted latin letters. Where are you living now?" | Aug 25 04:00 |
| schestowitz | UK | Aug 25 04:00 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6506042 | Aug 25 04:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Nothing to do with #android (people choose weak patterns) and requires physical access anyway http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/android-lock-patterns-are-highly-predictable-could-give-people-access-to-phones-10469314.html | Aug 25 04:02 | |
| schestowitz | "pattern? how about a pin! lol" | Aug 25 04:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.independent.co.uk | Android lock patterns are highly predictable, could give people access to phones - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/njnhf ] | Aug 25 04:02 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6503264 | Aug 25 04:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Highway to hack: why we’re just at the beginning of the auto-hacking era http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/08/highway-to-hack-why-were-just-at-the-beginning-of-the-auto-hacking-era/ they say they want to stop 'criminals' | Aug 25 04:02 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> arstechnica.com | Highway to hack: Why we’re just at the beginning of the auto-hacking era | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/njnhk ] | Aug 25 04:02 | |
| schestowitz | "The more I see things like this, the more I want to have again a classic Mustang." | Aug 25 04:02 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6503243 | Aug 25 04:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Being into 'apps', 'smart' phones, 'cloud' 'IoT', 'dev' 'ops', 'containers', 'big data' etc. doesn't make you look smart, just brainwashed | Aug 25 04:03 | |
| schestowitz | "(un?-)fortunately, most employers and agents don’t know the difference" | Aug 25 04:03 |
| schestowitz | "I don’t know what half those things are." | Aug 25 04:03 |
| schestowitz | ":)" | Aug 25 04:03 |
| schestowitz | https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/comp.os.linux.advocacy/schestowitz|sort:date/comp.os.linux.advocacy/k0g6v6WGaZo/wNpI3iLf1xYJ | Aug 25 04:12 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-groups.google.com | Google Groups [ http://ur1.ca/njnl1 ] | Aug 25 04:12 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, you confused the concepts... and included your standard insults and | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | seeding of Google to try to get me to NOT call you out on your ignorance. | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | You are so insecure and so fearful of speaking of Linux you do that in many | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | of your posts. | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | It is a common bit of confusion from Linux "advocates". Roy Schestowitz even | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | did it on his show: <https://youtu.be/vz2PETf9Vlk?t=19m50s>. | Aug 25 04:12 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.youtube.com | TechBytes56 - YouTube | Aug 25 04:12 | |
| schestowitz | >> Without context, nobody can even | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | >> tell what he or you are talking about. | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | > Feel free to provide the "context" you think will support this idiotic lie | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | > from Snit Michael Glasser. You will look every bit as idiotic as you really | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | > are | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | In other words: you had no idea what the context of the quote was or the | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | fact I was in response to a specific example of you doing as I said. | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | by known trolls | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | the classic ones | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | Dr. Roy Schestowitz (Suckstwodickz) lying about the success of Windows | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | 10 and about having contacts within Microsoft. The guy has no shame. He | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | is by far the most ridiculous loser the web has to offer, and I'm | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | including this guy <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm_n3hg-Gbg> | Aug 25 04:12 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.youtube.com | Teenage Dream (Keenan Cahill) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/njnla ] | Aug 25 04:12 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | LOL: | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, you confused the concepts... and included your standard insults and | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | seeding of Google to try to get me to NOT call you out on your ignorance. | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | You are so insecure and so fearful of speaking of Linux you do that in many | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | of your posts. | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | It is a common bit of confusion from Linux "advocates". Roy Schestowitz even | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | did it on his show: <https://youtu.be/vz2PETf9Vlk?t=19m50s>. | Aug 25 04:13 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.youtube.com | TechBytes56 - YouTube | Aug 25 04:13 | |
| schestowitz | >> Without context, nobody can even | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | >> tell what he or you are talking about. | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | > Feel free to provide the "context" you think will support this idiotic lie | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | > from Snit Michael Glasser. You will look every bit as idiotic as you really | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | > are | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | In other words: you had no idea what the context of the quote was or the | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | fact I was in response to a specific example of you doing as I said. | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, you confused the concepts... and included your standard insults and | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | seeding of Google to try to get me to NOT call you out on your ignorance. | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | You are so insecure and so fearful of speaking of Linux you do that in many | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | of your posts. | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | It is a common bit of confusion from Linux "advocates". Roy Schestowitz even | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | did it on his show: <https://youtu.be/vz2PETf9Vlk?t=19m50s>. | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | >> Without context, nobody can even | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | >> tell what he or you are talking about. | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | > Feel free to provide the "context" you think will support this idiotic lie | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | > from Snit Michael Glasser. You will look every bit as idiotic as you really | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | > are | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | In other words: you had no idea what the context of the quote was or the | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | fact I was in response to a specific example of you doing as I said. | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | That is bullshit. "Doctor" Schestowitz is constantly monitoring this | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | newsgroup even if he doesn't post to it using his real name. Every | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | dialogue I've had with him on Diaspora confirms that he is here and that | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | he is reading every one of the items posted to it. He simply doesn't add | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | (though I'm becoming convinced that 7 is him) because he knows that | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | smart people will ridicule him over his blatant lies. | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | The idiocy here is that "Doctor" Schestowitz has called every version of | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | Windows _since_ Vista Vista. Vista 7, Vista 8, Vista 10... and so on. | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | The guy can't get over the fact that Microsoft produces superior | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | operating systems to Linux so he holds onto the one confirmed public | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | failure (which is still better than Linux). | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | Roy Schestowitz cannot accept the fact he knows little about Linux. Heck, I | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | documented some of his errors in my conversation with him: | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | <https://youtu.be/vz2PETf9Vlk> | Aug 25 04:14 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.youtube.com | TechBytes56 - YouTube | Aug 25 04:14 | |
| schestowitz | And a page with text, linked to each part of the conversation: | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/TechBytes56/techbytes56.html | Aug 25 04:14 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-tmp.gallopinginsanity.com | Untitled Document [ http://ur1.ca/njnm1 ] | Aug 25 04:14 | |
| schestowitz | Gee, for some reason he took back his invitation for a second discussion | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | with him. :) | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | A minor detail like the fact Roy Schestowitz cannot even get the name of the | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | product he is talking about right. LOL! | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, that is such a minor detail. | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | I bet you also think he also only got "minor details" wrong in my discussion | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | with him: <https://youtu.be/vz2PETf9Vlk>. | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | I mean, really, he claims to be a huge advocate for Linux but he does not | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | even know it well. | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | only a person with an IQ of 10 would think Vista 10 is a typo rather than by intention | Aug 25 04:16 |
| schestowitz | HA! | Aug 25 04:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:16 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2015/08/10/windows-becomes-worse-malware/ | Aug 25 04:16 |
| schestowitz | "Several authors (Linux-centric people on the Web) told me that they | Aug 25 04:16 |
| schestowitz | get abused for criticising Vista 10 and I too received many personal | Aug 25 04:16 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Microsoft is Turning All of Windows (Not Just Vista 10) Into Malware, Turning Networks Into Botnets, Harvesting Sensitive Data Everywhere | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nfryz ] | Aug 25 04:16 | |
| schestowitz | insults, none of which address anything that I wrote but instead are an | Aug 25 04:16 |
| schestowitz | attack on character. These come from people whom I never heard from or | Aug 25 04:16 |
| schestowitz | heard about. Remember that Microsoft recently got caught paying for | Aug 25 04:16 |
| schestowitz | abusive AstroTurfing of this kind (planting comments). Showing the | Aug 25 04:16 |
| schestowitz | ?smoking guns? is hard unless whistleblowers come out (as some recently | Aug 25 04:16 |
| schestowitz | did, acknowledging that Microsoft pays them to game Reddit)." | Aug 25 04:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:16 |
| schestowitz | https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/comp.os.linux.advocacy/schestowitz|sort:date/comp.os.linux.advocacy/h-hReFKn-Hc/67Mawuwg0wsJ | Aug 25 04:16 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-groups.google.com | Google Groups [ http://ur1.ca/njnms ] | Aug 25 04:16 | |
| schestowitz | the typical troll has a new nym now, AM | Aug 25 04:17 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:17 |
| schestowitz | The moment he used the term "Vista 10" is the moment he threw out | Aug 25 04:17 |
| schestowitz | whatever was left of his credibility as well as the motivation any one | Aug 25 04:17 |
| schestowitz | of us would have to "address anything [he] wrote." He is clearly a liar | Aug 25 04:17 |
| schestowitz | and a propagandist and does not deserve to be treated with respect when | Aug 25 04:17 |
| schestowitz | he is wholly unable to be objective about the operating system he dislikes. | Aug 25 04:17 |
| schestowitz | Look at this beautiful paragraph for instance: "Here in Techrights, | Aug 25 04:17 |
| schestowitz | having accumulated data over the past 8 days, only 0.7% of visitors used | Aug 25 04:17 |
| schestowitz | Vista 10 (we checked the back end, which strictly retains logs for no | Aug 25 04:17 |
| schestowitz | longer than 4 weeks) and some other Web-wide surveys put it at around | Aug 25 04:17 |
| schestowitz | 3%, contradicting popular lies about adoption rates of this seemingly | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | gratis ‘upgrade’." Why on Earth would people who use Windows in general | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | have an interest in visiting a Linux propagandist's site, especially | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | when it is as repulsive as his is? His data is completely worthless. If | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | he had data from say CNN.com or Google.com then it could be taken more | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | seriously as though as high-traffic sites which appeal to everyone. | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | In the paragraph you quoted, he has two links to evidence for Microsoft | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | recently getting caught | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | <http://techrights.org/2013/06/09/reddit-infiltrated/> and astro-turfing | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | <http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/AstroTurfing> which are both links | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | to other articles on his web site, as worthless as the original one. If | Aug 25 04:18 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Microsoft Crime Persists: AstroTurfing a Regular Practice, Reddit Full of Paid Microsoft AstroTurfers | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/e99i2 ] | Aug 25 04:18 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | AstroTurfing - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/3awqc ] | Aug 25 04:18 | |
| schestowitz | you visit that "evidence," they too have links to other TechRights | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | articles. It's like lying about something and referring to another one | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | of your own lies as proof that your lie is the truth. | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | In this paragraph, "I have been a victim of systematic down-voting, | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | demonisation, identity theft etc. in Digg and elsewhere. Now we know for | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | a fact that Microsoft hires people to do such things," Schestowitz is | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | blaming Microsoft for demonization and identity theft without providing | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | any evidence whatsoever that Microsoft was responsible. In court, he | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | would be found guilty of libel. In fact, if any one of us wanted him to | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | get in trouble, we can refer that article over to the company and | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | bankrupt him. He's lucky that we all find him more comical than anything | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | else. | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | To say the least, he is not going to get a "serious debate" with any one | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | of us because he is not a serious debater. He is a liar and a | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | propagandist and I, for one, consider him to be a gigantic waste of time | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | who lives in a world of his own creation rather than reality. His site | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | might remain on the Internet forever, but nobody will ever visit it in | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | respectable numbers so it will die out like every other mediocre web | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | site ever erected. This is the last time I will post about TechRights. | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | Any future post from Dr. Schestowitz under your name (hi Roy) will be | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | ignored. | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Windows has always been Malware | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | - hide quoted text - | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 10:48:12 AM UTC-4, Drew P. Bawls wrote: | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | > http://techrights.org/2015/08/10/windows-becomes-worse-malware/ | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | > "Several authors (Linux-centric people on the Web) told me that they | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | > get abused for criticising Vista 10 and I too received many personal | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | > insults, none of which address anything that I wrote but instead are an | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | > attack on character. These come from people whom I never heard from or | Aug 25 04:19 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Microsoft is Turning All of Windows (Not Just Vista 10) Into Malware, Turning Networks Into Botnets, Harvesting Sensitive Data Everywhere | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nfryz ] | Aug 25 04:19 | |
| schestowitz | > heard about. Remember that Microsoft recently got caught paying for | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | > abusive AstroTurfing of this kind (planting comments). Showing the | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | > ?smoking guns? is hard unless whistleblowers come out (as some recently | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | > did, acknowledging that Microsoft pays them to game Reddit)." | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | Re: How to install Kali Linux on Android 2015 | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Windows has always been Malware | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | And why have the herd not whined that he collects info when you go to his | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | site. OH NO! His site is just there to harvest IPs. | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | Seriously, COLA "advocates" are not rational... and their refusal to call | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | out their own the way they attack others is absurd. | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | - show quoted text - | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | He *did* have a debate / discussion with me... and was wrong about Linux far | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | more often than I was. He then rescinded his offer to talk to me again. | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | "Wrong Jack! The software you don't pay for is a malware, at least so the Govt and big software companies think ... " | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | WRONG: Microsoft Windows has always been Mal-ware. | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | Just thought that this tard might want to know. :) | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | new thing they make up is that I'm still posting | Aug 25 04:20 |
| schestowitz | "Hi "Doctor" Schestowitz. " | Aug 25 04:20 |
| schestowitz | https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/comp.os.linux.advocacy/schestowitz|sort:date/comp.os.linux.advocacy/HS5_qHIFsfc/jBRMGVvz4OsJ | Aug 25 04:20 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-groups.google.com | Google Groups [ http://ur1.ca/njnoe ] | Aug 25 04:20 | |
| schestowitz | lumping me together with RMS | Aug 25 04:21 |
| schestowitz | I guess more of a compliment than an insult | Aug 25 04:21 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:22 |
| schestowitz | Some people will claim that Linux has people with PhDs using it, but | Aug 25 04:22 |
| schestowitz | those PhDs are Roy Schestowitz and Wretched Stallman. One only received | Aug 25 04:22 |
| schestowitz | honorary degrees and the other one found his at the bottom of a cereal | Aug 25 04:22 |
| schestowitz | box. In reality, people with such high educations use things that "just | Aug 25 04:22 |
| schestowitz | work" and that happens to be OS X. | Aug 25 04:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:22 |
| schestowitz | RMS had honorary | Aug 25 04:22 |
| schestowitz | mine is real and from a good university | Aug 25 04:22 |
| schestowitz | seems like the troll keeps libelling me there | Aug 25 04:23 |
| schestowitz | same person all the time | Aug 25 04:23 |
| schestowitz | truly obsessed, even though I haven't posted there in like a half a decade | Aug 25 04:23 |
| MinceR | i wonder who are the people who use those gnu/linux supercomputers... :> | Aug 25 04:23 |
| schestowitz | sometone reproduced an entire article here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/comp.os.linux.advocacy/schestowitz|sort:date/comp.os.linux.advocacy/pfBaCo73WLQ/5g4t7pzAUxIJ | Aug 25 04:24 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-groups.google.com | Google Groups [ http://ur1.ca/njnpq ] | Aug 25 04:24 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yeah, but desktops too appeal to some people | Aug 25 04:24 |
| schestowitz | Rianne uses GNU/Linux onlu | Aug 25 04:24 |
| schestowitz | and she copes OK, she has a CS degreee | Aug 25 04:24 |
| schestowitz | see the shallow response | Aug 25 04:25 |
| schestowitz | ""Doctor Crackpot" Schestowitz back to lying again. " | Aug 25 04:25 |
| schestowitz | Lying | Aug 25 04:25 |
| schestowitz | crackpot | Aug 25 04:25 |
| schestowitz | pretending I have no PHD | Aug 25 04:25 |
| schestowitz | Great response there, I'm 'pwned' | Aug 25 04:25 |
| schestowitz | I think it's "flatfish" | Aug 25 04:25 |
| schestowitz | changed name to AM | Aug 25 04:25 |
| schestowitz | Really nasty piece of work | Aug 25 04:25 |
| schestowitz | libel machine | Aug 25 04:25 |
| schestowitz | same one who pretend I'm transgendered and posted using my name to 'prove' it | Aug 25 04:26 |
| schestowitz | "More idiocy and hearsay. " | Aug 25 04:26 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Aug 25 04:26 |
| schestowitz | I got 'nuked | Aug 25 04:26 |
| schestowitz | "More idiocy and hearsay. " | Aug 25 04:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:26 |
| schestowitz | Can disable counterfeit software and fake hardware which might damage a | Aug 25 04:26 |
| schestowitz | PC or offend a pirate who is using software illegally? The horror! | Aug 25 04:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:26 |
| schestowitz | BS | Aug 25 04:26 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's claims | Aug 25 04:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:26 |
| schestowitz | Ryan who? The name is as made-up as Brock McNuggets. "Doctor Crackpot" | Aug 25 04:26 |
| schestowitz | doesn't have any friends so this is very hard to believe. | Aug 25 04:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:26 |
| schestowitz | "Doctor Crackpot" | Aug 25 04:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:27 |
| schestowitz | You mean like Linux? WHY WOULD MICROSOFT ISSUE BUG FIXES AND REPLACE A | Aug 25 04:27 |
| schestowitz | FAULTY PATCH? Is this imbecile serious? | Aug 25 04:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:27 |
| schestowitz | They "ripped off" an idea Linux ripped off from UNIX from an operating | Aug 25 04:27 |
| schestowitz | system which prides itself in having a license that allows for the free | Aug 25 04:27 |
| schestowitz | sharing of ideas and code? My God, what monsters! Apparently "Doctor | Aug 25 04:27 |
| schestowitz | Crackpot" is wholly unaware of what he is complaining about. | Aug 25 04:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:27 |
| schestowitz | "Worthless hypothesis from an imbecile and a fraudulent "doctor." " | Aug 25 04:27 |
| schestowitz | " fraudulent "doctor." | Aug 25 04:27 |
| schestowitz | oh, how much hate from SM troll | Aug 25 04:27 |
| schestowitz | MS | Aug 25 04:27 |
| schestowitz | I guess it means I hit them where it hurts then.. | Aug 25 04:27 |
| schestowitz | "Disgusting lie from the imbecile. " | Aug 25 04:28 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I think it might NOT be flatfish | Aug 25 04:28 |
| schestowitz | but the other troll, who also uses many nyms | Aug 25 04:28 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:28 |
| schestowitz | Real doctors and people with jobs who neither have the time nor the | Aug 25 04:28 |
| schestowitz | patience to put up with Linux's instability and faulty features. | Aug 25 04:28 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:28 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:28 |
| schestowitz | It can respect freedoms all that it wants but until it provides users | Aug 25 04:28 |
| schestowitz | with a decent operating system, it will continue to be ignored by 99% of | Aug 25 04:28 |
| schestowitz | the world's computer users. | Aug 25 04:28 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:28 |
| schestowitz | Funny that | Aug 25 04:28 |
| schestowitz | last I checked, Vista 10 is widely rejected | Aug 25 04:28 |
| schestowitz | 5% at best | Aug 25 04:29 |
| schestowitz | "Hillary for Prison 2016!! " | Aug 25 04:29 |
| schestowitz | The only things we agree on | Aug 25 04:29 |
| schestowitz | https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/comp.os.linux.advocacy/schestowitz|sort:date/comp.os.linux.advocacy/qC-JLBIm7JY/wzhdDk4LIVQJ | Aug 25 04:30 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-groups.google.com | Google Groups [ http://ur1.ca/njnse ] | Aug 25 04:30 | |
| schestowitz | slashdot fed this? | Aug 25 04:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:30 |
| schestowitz | It's already established that Microsoft has it's stooges in bed with | Aug 25 04:30 |
| schestowitz | the culling committee. The only question that should be asked is how | Aug 25 04:30 |
| schestowitz | much did Microsoft bribe them with? | Aug 25 04:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:31 |
| schestowitz | What's worse is that the message Drew sent made it clear that he is Roy | Aug 25 04:31 |
| schestowitz | Schestowitz himself, the "doctor." | Aug 25 04:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:31 |
| schestowitz | Ah, flatfish is "tommy troll" | Aug 25 04:31 |
| schestowitz | Based on this post | Aug 25 04:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:31 |
| schestowitz | Things must be quiet over in lunatic central for him to post his | Aug 25 04:31 |
| schestowitz | click bait here. I suppose donations have dried up as people realize | Aug 25 04:31 |
| schestowitz | him for the cracked pot he is. | Aug 25 04:31 |
| schestowitz | A Google of Schestowitz + bawls doesn't get many hits however a | Aug 25 04:31 |
| schestowitz | Google of Schestowitz + balls gets a lot of super fucked up hits. | Aug 25 04:31 |
| schestowitz | Look for yourself. | Aug 25 04:32 |
| schestowitz | https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=schestowitz+balls | Aug 25 04:32 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.google.com | Google [ http://ur1.ca/njnsx ] | Aug 25 04:32 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:32 |
| schestowitz | Linking to his own libel, which he created | Aug 25 04:32 |
| schestowitz | claiming I removed my balls for linux | Aug 25 04:32 |
| schestowitz | so now I know which troll uses which name | Aug 25 04:32 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:33 |
| schestowitz | Things must be quiet over in lunatic central for him to post his | Aug 25 04:33 |
| schestowitz | click bait here. I suppose donations have dried up as people realize | Aug 25 04:33 |
| schestowitz | him for the cracked pot he is. | Aug 25 04:33 |
| schestowitz | A Google of Schestowitz + bawls doesn't get many hits however a | Aug 25 04:33 |
| schestowitz | Google of Schestowitz + balls gets a lot of super fucked up hits. | Aug 25 04:33 |
| schestowitz | Look for yourself. | Aug 25 04:33 |
| schestowitz | https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=schestowitz+balls | Aug 25 04:33 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:33 |
| schestowitz | "You're an imbecile, "Doctor" Roy Schestowitz. " | Aug 25 04:33 |
| schestowitz | They pretend I use nyms | Aug 25 04:33 |
| schestowitz | totally false, never have | Aug 25 04:33 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507022 | Aug 25 11:53 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: By trying to warp #MH17 story in some of the most ridiculous of ways, #kremlin ensures that nobody will ever trust any of its words again | Aug 25 11:53 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 11:53 |
| schestowitz | I actually don’t get into that question. Neither of them seems to accept that their sovereignty ends at their own borders. Neither seems to accept that their right to swing their fist ends where the other guy’s face begins. Each assumes that their own interests outweigh those of the countries they romp on. | Aug 25 11:53 |
| schestowitz | I absolutely do not buy Russia’s complaint that it is being encircled by NATO. Those countries acceded to NATO in large part because they’re afraid of Russia. So the way for Russia to avoid being encircled was not to frighten its neighbors. But then it wouldn’t be a superpower, now would it? | Aug 25 11:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 11:53 |
| schestowitz | Fair point, but Russia never extended as far as NATO | Aug 25 11:53 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/636250188437417984 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/636250545972477952 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/636250732375744512 | Aug 25 19:58 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @KimmoKannala And they saw it wiggling, and a rocket stage detaching, lol. #MH17 @CT4444 @MikaPeltokorpi @loondale @schestowitz | Aug 25 19:58 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @KimmoKannala Ever wondered why the Snizhne plume didn't wiggle but went straight up? #MH17 @CT4444 @MikaPeltokorpi @loondale @schestowitz | Aug 25 19:58 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @KimmoKannala And what kind of missile is that with the detaching stage? #MH17 @CT4444 @MikaPeltokorpi @loondale @schestowitz | Aug 25 19:58 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/636252473674596352 https://twitter.com/MikaPeltokorpi/status/636252784430587905 | Aug 25 20:11 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @masamikuramoto "they"? Caught you in another lie, dumbass. #MH17 @KimmoKannala @CT4444 @MikaPeltokorpi @loondale @schestowitz | Aug 25 20:11 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MikaPeltokorpi: @CT4444 @masamikuramoto @loondale @schestowitz Sounds like fighter jet... | Aug 25 20:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/636254090503299072 | Aug 25 20:11 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Corporate media focuses on corporate achievements it understands, not technical feats they can't fathom. | Aug 25 20:11 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/636274225410666496 | Aug 25 21:32 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz Looks like PC World are pushing winduhs 10 in TV adverts tonight... | Aug 25 21:32 | |
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| schestowitz | > ot | Aug 26 10:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 26 10:00 |
| schestowitz | > http://svenska.yle.fi/artikel/2015/08/25/teds-valdigt-specifika-overgangsstallen | Aug 26 10:00 |
| schestowitz | Can't read this and it seems far OT | Aug 26 10:00 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-svenska.yle.fi | Teds väldigt specifika övergångsställen | X3M | svenska.yle.fi [ http://ur1.ca/nk5sq ] | Aug 26 10:00 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/DOWDIVISOR30/status/636456188541054976?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email | Aug 26 10:06 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@DOWDIVISOR30: @schestowitz Interesting? Stock Market Boom And Crash: Cause And Effect http://t.co/HL3Mlue9lr | Aug 26 10:06 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.valuewalk.com | Stock Market Boom And Crash: Cause And Effect | Aug 26 10:06 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6506991 | Aug 26 10:08 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #china (and #india too) market continued its decline at the very start/open (panic continues) http://money.cnn.com/data/world_markets/asia/ | Aug 26 10:08 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> money.cnn.com | Asian Stock Markets - CNNMoney [ http://ur1.ca/njmri ] | Aug 26 10:08 | |
| schestowitz | "Glad I divested off all the funds I was holding six months ago." | Aug 26 10:08 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507022 | Aug 26 10:09 |
| schestowitz | "That’s only true if you neglect that Russia itself is an empire including a vast territory, stretching as it does, from Europe all the way to the Bering Strait." | Aug 26 10:09 |
| schestowitz | Historically, yes | Aug 26 10:09 |
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| schestowitz | >>> >> ot | Aug 26 12:22 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Aug 26 12:22 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> http://svenska.yle.fi/artikel/2015/08/25/teds-valdigt-specifika-overgangsstallen | Aug 26 12:22 |
| schestowitz | >> > Can't read this and it seems far OT | Aug 26 12:22 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Aug 26 12:22 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Aug 26 12:22 |
| schestowitz | > Yes, it is OT. The pictures were the main part of the article. | Aug 26 12:22 |
| schestowitz | @myhermes #paypal had a glitch, took double payment. Pls check Transaction ID 7SP97894WW029860U 26376594V7475293W 9SR177655F358043D fix ASAP | Aug 26 12:30 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6510839 | Aug 26 18:52 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Ttoo drunk to fly' after downing hundred-pound bottle of cognac airport security officials attempted to confiscate http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/woman-too-drunk-to-fly-after-downing-hundredpound-bottle-of-cognac-airport-security-officials-attempted-to-confiscate-10470417.html | Aug 26 18:52 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.independent.co.uk | Woman 'too drunk to fly' after downing hundred-pound bottle of cognac airport security officials attempted to confiscate - UK - News - The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/nkb3n ] | Aug 26 18:52 | |
| schestowitz | "♥ good for her - hope she felt ok afterwards :)" | Aug 26 18:52 |
| schestowitz | She forgot to board the plane, they might tell her later.... | Aug 26 18:53 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507167 | Aug 26 18:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The usual #microsoft propagandists at #torygraph whitewashing a criminal http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/microsoft/windows/11817065/Twenty-years-ago-Microsoft-launched-Windows-95-changing-the-world.html recall the recent http://techrights.org/2015/05/03/burning-netscape/ | Aug 26 18:54 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.telegraph.co.uk | Windows 95 at 20: how Bill Gates' software changed the world - Telegraph [ http://ur1.ca/nkb4n ] | Aug 26 18:54 | |
| schestowitz | "Windows 95 and 98 changed me, made me go Linux." | Aug 26 18:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Microsoft Kills Netscape Again, This Time Removing It From the History Books | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/njsa4 ] | Aug 26 18:54 | |
| schestowitz | "@cronos ha! you just reminded me. I must get myself an old pc to see if my win3.1 diskettes still work - or at least a diskette reader. :D" | Aug 26 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Win98 the last I used (was used by) | Aug 26 18:55 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6512749 | Aug 26 18:59 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Today's #FSCS news, in simple terms, means that #uk banks are less liable. Can just tell customer who deposited money, "sorry, gone". | Aug 26 18:59 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DT7bX-B1Mg | Aug 26 18:59 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.youtube.com | And it's gone (original) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nkb6l ] | Aug 26 18:59 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507180 | Aug 26 19:04 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Not many people recall (or even know) that #obama site promising lots of things at elections got edited over time to delete/change promises | Aug 26 19:04 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 26 19:04 |
| schestowitz | It was his comments on late-term abortion in 2008 that did him in as far as I was concerned: | Aug 26 19:04 |
| schestowitz | https://disunitedstates.org/?p=1916 | Aug 26 19:04 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://disunitedstates.org/?p=1916 ) | Aug 26 19:04 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 26 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Interesting. Either way, it looks like the next Pres. will be even worse (and I consider Obama worse than Bush) | Aug 26 19:06 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507236 | Aug 26 19:06 |
| schestowitz | "Netscape Navigator was an all-time favourite that will never be forgotten." | Aug 26 19:07 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@harryhaller@nerdpol.ch: #Microsoft Kills #Netscape Again, This Time Removing It From the #History Books | #Techrights - http://techrights.org/2015/05/03/burning-netscape/ | #gates thought #internet irrelevant | via @{Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) ; schestowitz@joindiaspora.com} | Aug 26 19:07 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 26 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Just a 2 days ago I watched the microsoft story documentation. | Aug 26 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Quite interesting. | Aug 26 19:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 26 19:07 |
| schestowitz | The history as it's told today is a lie. They've changed history after Netscape was dead and couldn't tell its story. BTW, I was employed by them for 2 years. | Aug 26 19:07 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6509420 | Aug 26 19:12 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Message to #LinuxCon Regarding #Microsoft http://techrights.org/2015/08/25/microsoft-at-linuxcon/ #linux #entryism @linuxfoundation | Aug 26 19:12 | |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft will get a warm welcome at free software conferences if and when they gpl their own software." | Aug 26 19:12 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Message to LinuxCon Regarding Microsoft: “It is Necessary to Get Behind Someone in Order to Stab Them in the Back.” -Sir Humphrey Appleby | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nkbd0 ] | Aug 26 19:12 | |
| schestowitz | "don’t have confidence in linux foundation - prefer eff/gnu" | Aug 26 19:13 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6510474 | Aug 26 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Maybe you mean FSF, not GNU | Aug 26 19:13 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #LinuxFoundation starts security vetting program for FOSS http://www.itnews.com.au/News/408402,linux-foundation-starts-security-vetting-program-for-foss.aspx #linux #security | Aug 26 19:13 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.itnews.com.au | Linux Foundation starts security vetting program for FOSS - Security - Software - News - iTnews.com.au [ http://ur1.ca/nkbdj ] | Aug 26 19:13 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6513413 | Aug 26 23:25 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: National Association Of #Hispanic Journalists Condemns #DonaldTrump For Ejecting Univision's Jorge Ramos http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/08/26/national-association-of-hispanic-journalists-co/205173 | Aug 26 23:25 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> mediamatters.org | National Association Of Hispanic Journalists Condemns Donald Trump For Ejecting Univision's Jorge Ramos | Blog | Media Matters for America [ http://ur1.ca/nkelg ] | Aug 26 23:25 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 26 23:25 |
| schestowitz | “Ramos was later permitted to return to the conference to question Trump.” | Aug 26 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Never mind, Hispanics forget quickly and go back again and again. | Aug 26 23:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 26 23:25 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/636661521259499520 | Aug 26 23:31 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@BrendanEich: @ch_s Good piece, "not wrong" but getting OS scaled to non-abusive revenue opp'ty looks very hard. FYI 1000+ Moz heads in 2014. @schestowitz | Aug 26 23:31 | |
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| schestowitz | "This entire site reads like propaganda.' | Aug 27 00:07 |
| schestowitz | nothing about the article | Aug 27 00:08 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/636677296573714433 https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/636677396435898369 | Aug 27 00:12 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz Why wd apology be adequate or appropriate? His convictions changed? It's not the ACT,it's the attitude! That's why he had 2quit | Aug 27 00:12 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz It's not even a debate. Is he a bigot or not? Acts say yes. | Aug 27 00:12 | |
| schestowitz | No, he said he had changed his position | Aug 27 00:12 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507180 | Aug 27 00:22 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Not many people recall (or even know) that #obama site promising lots of things at elections got edited over time to delete/change promises | Aug 27 00:22 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 27 00:22 |
| schestowitz | I actually hold out a little hope that Bernie Sanders can get elected. It’s only an outside chance, but it’s a chance. | Aug 27 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Basically, the way this works is that Sanders actually does say things that appeal to authoritarian populists (the “Tea Party” in its present incarnation). Right now, Donald Trump is stealing his thunder there, but the Republican Party establishment will find a way to deny him the nomination. | Aug 27 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton is self-destructing. And it’s too early–much too early–to say how Joe Biden’s potential entry into the race might affect this possibility. | Aug 27 00:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 27 00:22 |
| schestowitz | If Sander left "Democrats" (if he allowed to?) why won't his supporters shift their support to the other party/"independent"? | Aug 27 00:22 |
| schestowitz | *wouldn't | Aug 27 00:23 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6513650 | Aug 27 00:23 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Memories don’t last long. Thankfully, Vanwensveen wrote in length about Microsoft’s early crimes http://www.slated.org/antitrust/www.vanwensveen.nl/IhateMS.pdf #microsoft | Aug 27 00:23 | |
| schestowitz | "cp/m + myth ms wrote basic" | Aug 27 00:23 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Research | Aug 27 00:23 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Digital Research - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nkfcp ] | Aug 27 00:23 | |
| schestowitz | Kemenny in academia wrote BASIC AFAIK, Microsoft just popularised it more | Aug 27 00:24 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6513746 | Aug 27 00:24 |
| schestowitz | "No surprise there. Most part of the works on it is under done under NDA. We’ll judge after it finally gets released, see how it’ll be managed after that." | Aug 27 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Are NDAs and FOSS even compatible at all? | Aug 27 00:25 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: People close to #tizen tell me that Tizen is basically just a closely/tightly-controlled Samsung thing pretending to be 'community'. #linux | Aug 27 00:25 | |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: rare cases NDA are FOSS compadible but it extremely rare. Not all NDA are forever. For people getting access to non-released hardware being under NDA until public release of hardware to develop drivers is not a major problem. | Aug 27 00:55 |
| schestowitz | either way, why are they needed for tizen? | Aug 27 01:41 |
| schestowitz | I don't see the point unless if this relates to planned imminent products based on the source code | Aug 27 01:41 |
| schestowitz | with possible clues about their nature, e.g. embedded somewhere in the code, like clues about hardware components to be used | Aug 27 01:41 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507180 | Aug 27 01:51 |
| schestowitz | "Because American politics don’t work that way. most are either proud Democrats or proud Republicans and the system in place promotes a very wide division in the two. There are other parties but by and large no one takes them seriously." | Aug 27 01:51 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6513936 | Aug 27 01:51 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The Iran Nuclear Deal: Give Diplomacy a Chance http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_iran_nuclear_deal_give_diplomacy_a_chance_20150826 #war is for losers | Aug 27 01:51 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.truthdig.com | The Iran Nuclear Deal: Give Diplomacy a Chance - Truthdig [ http://ur1.ca/nkgkh ] | Aug 27 01:51 | |
| schestowitz | "Give diplomacy a chance?! Again ?! And with a country that wants to make other country disappear from the face of earth?" | Aug 27 01:51 |
| schestowitz | Exactly. US wants to wipe Iran. Why does Iran trust the US? ;-) | Aug 27 01:52 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3ii4ym/microsoft_at_linuxcon/ | Aug 27 01:53 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Couldn't resolve host 'www.reddit.com' ( status 0 @ https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3ii4ym/microsoft_at_linuxcon/ ) | Aug 27 01:53 | |
| schestowitz | "Not saying MS isn't guilty. but this site literally reads like something from a communist playbook. It's seething with negative language." | Aug 27 01:53 |
| schestowitz | So language is the issue? Too negative? It's Microsoft, am I supposed to be all joyful over it? | Aug 27 01:53 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507180 | Aug 27 02:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Not many people recall (or even know) that #obama site promising lots of things at elections got edited over time to delete/change promises | Aug 27 02:03 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 27 02:03 |
| schestowitz | I don’t know that they’re ‘proud’ Democrats or ‘proud’ Republicans and I certainly don’t agree that there is–in actuality–“a very wide division in the two.” All that said, and I realize it sounds like I’ve just contradicted everything he said, @alucardx@diasp.org has a point. | Aug 27 02:03 |
| schestowitz | The bias in the U.S. in favor of a bipartisan system is very strong. It’s even unclear how Congress would function if it had more than one minority party leadership to accommodate. And the polarization between the two parties is intense: Probably going all the way back to Jimmy Carter and certainly by the time of Bill Clinton, there is a certain segment of the right that refuses to accept the legitimacy of any Democratic president, let | Aug 27 02:03 |
| schestowitz | alone one who happens to be Black. | Aug 27 02:03 |
| schestowitz | Meanwhile, folks like me grew up thinking Richard Nixon was the epitome of evil. (But in hindsight, I’d take Nixon any day over any of his Republican successors, including Jerry Ford.) | Aug 27 02:03 |
| schestowitz | The main function of third party/independent candidacies is to split the vote. One reason Bernie Sanders is running for the Democratic nomination, despite a history of disdain for the Democratic Party, is that if he runs as an independent, the vote on the left side of a very far right middle would be split between him and the Democratic nominee. Similarly, if Donald Trump fails to gain the Republican nomination and runs as an independent, | Aug 27 02:04 |
| schestowitz | he will split the vote between himself and the Republican nominee. It is often claimed that to vote for a third party–like the Greens or Peace and Freedom–or an independent is effectively to vote for the candidate you like least. So there are intense disincentives to either running on a third party ticket or voting for one. | Aug 27 02:04 |
| schestowitz | This is only one of many reasons that I regard the U.S. electoral system as a sham and refuse to participate (I may reconsider if Sanders actually gets the Democratic nomination). But the other major point here is that, as Howard Zinn pointed out, the two-party system constrains the range of acceptable political discourse. You, in effect, end up with a reactionary party and a slightly less reactionary party, and this limits the pace of | Aug 27 02:04 |
| schestowitz | political change to something acceptable to the elite. | Aug 27 02:04 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 27 02:04 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6506042 | Aug 27 02:16 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Nothing to do with #android (people choose weak patterns) and requires physical access anyway http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/android-lock-patterns-are-highly-predictable-could-give-people-access-to-phones-10469314.html | Aug 27 02:16 | |
| schestowitz | "so you don’t use a smart phone?" | Aug 27 02:16 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.independent.co.uk | Android lock patterns are highly predictable, could give people access to phones - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/njnhf ] | Aug 27 02:16 | |
| schestowitz | No, the wife does sometimes | Aug 27 02:16 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/636776200749350912 | Aug 27 09:36 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz According to corporate media Coca-Cola is "more innovative" than Canonical or Red Hat. | Aug 27 09:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Nyssen11/status/636820643909120000 | Aug 27 09:42 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Nyssen11: @schestowitz India was not a Tizen Conference | Aug 27 09:42 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3ii4ym/microsoft_at_linuxcon/ | Aug 27 09:53 |
| schestowitz | "Not only that, it's also very poorly written, with bad structure and grammatical errors." | Aug 27 09:53 |
| schestowitz | Shooting the messenger | Aug 27 09:53 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/myhermes/status/636824046655664131 https://twitter.com/myhermes/status/636824047817523200 | Aug 27 09:57 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@myhermes: @schestowitz Hi, thanks for responding. It seems we only received the one payment therefore I kindly advise you to liaise with paypal to | Aug 27 09:57 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@myhermes: @schestowitz resolve your query. Kind regards, Greg. | Aug 27 09:57 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6513813 | Aug 27 10:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 5-day change for the main #china stocks index: -23%. Market opens in 2 hours. The Chinese billionaires flee their own market, I guess. | Aug 27 10:02 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 27 10:02 |
| schestowitz | Betting in stocks is a zero-sum game, someone has to lose for someone to win. Now who is more likely to be a winner, a billionary that makes a living in the stocks market or someone with zero financial knowledge looking for quick and miraculous gains? | Aug 27 10:02 |
| schestowitz | Someone has to be left holding the bag. | Aug 27 10:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 27 10:02 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6514059 | Aug 27 10:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: My ~13-year-old CRT is starting to show signs of inevitable death, with small explosions seen and heard while switching it on | Aug 27 10:02 | |
| schestowitz | "Do they use up more electricity that LED?" | Aug 27 10:02 |
| schestowitz | I think so | Aug 27 10:02 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6513751 | Aug 27 10:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This headline is a lie http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2015/08/munich-officials-who-dumped-windows-for-linux-want-microsofts-os-back/ it's not the same officials, there's no change of mind, just 2 dissenting voices | Aug 27 10:03 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 27 10:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.gizmodo.co.uk | Munich Officials Who Dumped Windows For Linux Want Microsoft's OS Back | Gizmodo UK [ http://ur1.ca/nkg9j ] | Aug 27 10:03 | |
| schestowitz | So are they going to switch away from GNU/Linux? | Aug 27 10:03 |
| schestowitz | The article explains the challenges but not a lot more. I also get sick of whiney IT people…“it’s too much hassle”. | Aug 27 10:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 27 10:03 |
| schestowitz | Sabine wants to chat on Skype with her family maybe... and play MS Solitaire | Aug 27 10:03 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Goofy_fr/status/636837793130545152 | Aug 27 10:52 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Goofy_fr: #Windows10 assure un max pour ne laisser aucun espace d'intimité aux enfants en transmettant tout aux parents https://t.co/7eUindxmVy | Aug 27 10:52 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #vista10 automatically sends parents detailed dossier of their children's internet history, computer use http://t.co/IxR1YW9ahr #spyware | Aug 27 10:52 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Morality124/status/636837912554770432 | Aug 27 10:52 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Morality124: @schestowitz Is there a mention of systemd and what timestamp? | Aug 27 10:52 | |
| schestowitz | mentioned therein | Aug 27 10:52 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RelativePast/status/636838496083255296 | Aug 27 10:53 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@RelativePast: Vision of shady characters pushing Linux laptops at school gates ... https://t.co/lF82pp5kiT | Aug 27 10:53 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6515763 | Aug 27 15:00 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Teeworlds, The Free & Open Source 2D Battle Game Is Now On Steam For Linux http://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/teeworlds-the-free-open-source-2d-battle-game-is-now-on-steam-for-linux.5858 #games #gnu #linux | Aug 27 15:00 | |
| schestowitz | "But why does that make a positive difference if it is already in a distro’s repository?" | Aug 27 15:00 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.gamingonlinux.com | Teeworlds, The Free & Open Source 2D Battle Game Is Now On Steam For Linux | GamingOnLinux [ http://ur1.ca/nkotq ] | Aug 27 15:00 | |
| schestowitz | "I’m not a gamer but sometimes I spend some hour playing this game. I like it." | Aug 27 15:00 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6513751 | Aug 27 15:01 |
| schestowitz | "Nevermind my question. You answered it in your original post. It must have been too late when I read that because I missed the comment after the link." | Aug 27 15:01 |
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| schestowitz | " | Aug 27 15:15 |
| schestowitz | Yet another EPO colleague committed suicide last week. | Aug 27 15:15 |
| schestowitz | You will find attached the note that Ciaran McGinley published to all EPO staff this week. I have deleted the name of the dead colleague to respect the wishes of his family. | Aug 27 15:15 |
| schestowitz | The note of Ciaran McGinley looks poetic but it is highly hypocritical and cynical. The term suicide has been carefully omitted. The suicide rate has now become extremely worrying. This is the fifth suicide in 39 months during the mandate of Mr Battistelli. And it is the third one in the principal directorate of Mr McGinley since his appointment. Mr McGinley systematically refuses any independent investigation whether the workplace could | Aug 27 15:15 |
| schestowitz | have played a role in these tragedies. And his lyrical note would be sufficient to make his staff forget that they are told that they are overpaid and will soon be replaced by machines. Their professionnal pride has been completely destroyed. | Aug 27 15:15 |
| schestowitz | You may reuse the content of this email (with your own wording to better hide the source) and publish the attached note. If you could do it today, that would be great. | Aug 27 15:15 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 27 15:15 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/636904939890057216 | Aug 27 15:30 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz We need RMS as long as there are Nadellmers and Tim Jobses. | Aug 27 15:30 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/636920419002548224 | Aug 27 16:31 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Wikinaut: @schestowitz I think, I proposed this some time ago | Aug 27 16:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AskPayPal/status/636935053482655744 | Aug 27 17:18 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AskPayPal: @schestowitz Hi, sorry to hear about this. You usually contact the merchant if a duplicate payment is taken. Have you tried that? ^CMC | Aug 27 17:18 | |
| schestowitz | YES, I did, and after a lot of hassled and checks they directed me to you. Please don't play ping-pong with customers. | Aug 27 17:19 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AskPayPal/status/636936767787040768 | Aug 27 17:22 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AskPayPal: @schestowitz In that case, why don't you DM your PayPal email and the full details so we can troubleshoot this further? ^CMC | Aug 27 17:22 | |
| schestowitz | I have you the transaction IDs (three of them), you can deduce everything from these | Aug 27 17:23 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AskPayPal/status/636937526616326145 | Aug 27 17:26 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AskPayPal: @schestowitz It's best that we discuss your account in private though. Would you mind sending a DM? I'm only trying to help. ^CMC | Aug 27 17:26 | |
| schestowitz | account is roy at schestowitz dot com | Aug 27 17:27 |
| schestowitz | sorry, it is r at schestowitz dot com | Aug 27 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/636936159734665216 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/636935730141495297 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/636929230543192065 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/636926268039151616 | Aug 27 17:39 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: .@AskPayPal YES, I did, and after a lot of hassles and checks they directed me to you. Please don't play ping-pong with customers. | Aug 27 17:39 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Microsoft Loves Linux to Death and Still Tries to Kill GNU/Linux http://t.co/VY7tElU5eC #microsoft #gnu #linux #munich | Aug 27 17:39 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Microsoft Loves Linux to Death and Still Tries to Kill GNU/Linux | Techrights | Aug 27 17:40 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #Censorship , Self-Censorship and Intimidation Now the Modus Operandi at #EPO http://t.co/juz3IeuiVu more in http://t.co/CMIUWvePoB | Aug 27 17:40 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Censorship, Self-Censorship and Intimidation Now the Modus Operandi at EPO | Techrights | Aug 27 17:40 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | EPO - Techrights | Aug 27 17:40 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #Patent Practitioners: “The #UnitaryPatent Might be Able to Open the Floodgates for #SoftwarePatents in Europe” http://t.co/e5yUdaDiBk | Aug 27 17:40 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Patent Practitioners: “The Unitary Patent Might be Able to Open the Floodgates for Software Patents in Europe” | Techrights | Aug 27 17:40 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/skandhurkat/status/636944825238069248 | Aug 27 17:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@skandhurkat: I appreciate the sentiment https://t.co/Sg8zukn3iE | Aug 27 17:55 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #paypal a nightmare. Need more alternatives, also to be adopted by more businesses. | Aug 27 17:55 | |
| schestowitz | they want me to do their work for them after they messed up | Aug 27 17:55 |
| schestowitz | server glitch=double payment | Aug 27 17:55 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6515595 | Aug 27 18:46 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Overlooking #fsf at 30 because #gnu is apparently not as 'cool' as #linux http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/At-24-Linux-Has-Come-Out-of-the-Basement-82423.html | Aug 27 18:46 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.linuxinsider.com | At 24, Linux Has Come Out of the Basement | Software | LinuxInsider [ http://ur1.ca/nkotl ] | Aug 27 18:46 | |
| schestowitz | "https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6515595" | Aug 27 18:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 27 18:46 |
| schestowitz | I’ll offer a little commentary for ill informed onlookers of this post: | Aug 27 18:46 |
| schestowitz | This is one of the results of calling the OS “Linux” instead of “GNU/Linux”. Many people believe that Torvalds wrote the OS when in fact, he only (co)wrote the kernel which is called Linux. | Aug 27 18:46 |
| schestowitz | This also leads to confusion when talking about non-GNU systems that feature Linux as the kernel, such as Android. People hear that it is “Linux-based” and automatically think of GNU/Linux. Android/Linux is completely different than GNU/Linux. | Aug 27 18:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 27 18:46 |
| schestowitz | "" | Aug 27 18:46 |
| schestowitz | "@AlucardX +1" | Aug 27 18:47 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6515957 | Aug 27 18:47 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Sadly, to quite a lot of people RMS is a "nuisance" for starting the system which they use for free, Torvalds a celebrated hero. #gnu #linux | Aug 27 18:47 | |
| schestowitz | "That’s probably because RMS makes a weird impression. :/" | Aug 27 18:47 |
| schestowitz | "A bit of ignorance and some ingratitude." | Aug 27 18:47 |
| schestowitz | "He’s nit-picky and irascible. He reminds me of me. (RMS, that is.) RMS doesn’t like to bend his principles, at all." | Aug 27 18:47 |
| schestowitz | "I find RMS’s views to be consistent and progressive. It’s evident that he has thought carefully about the issues he speaks." | Aug 27 18:47 |
| schestowitz | "*of course, it’s just how I see what his mission is haha :P" | Aug 27 18:47 |
| schestowitz | "I agree with Khurram." | Aug 27 18:47 |
| schestowitz | "For sure, RMS is very coherent in his speepches and he accomplishes very well his mission: build a very well grounded philosophy about something bigger than just programming, but how society inserts it in its everyday life. To do so, he must be very coherent and kinda “fundamentalist”, and it bothers some people." | Aug 27 18:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 27 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Stallman weird and irascible? Look this one → | Aug 27 18:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFMMXRoSxnA | Aug 27 18:48 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.youtube.com | Richard Stallman: We're heading for a total disaster - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gwi67 ] | Aug 27 18:48 | |
| schestowitz | I don’t know how he managed to stay calm and nice… That tv show man whatever is so annoyingly stupid… | Aug 27 18:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 27 18:48 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6515672 | Aug 27 18:49 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: What Is The Oldest Linux Installation CD You Have? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-news-59/what-is-the-oldest-linux-installation-cd-you-have-4175551843/ #gnu #linux discussion | Aug 27 18:49 | |
| schestowitz | "must be this S.u.S.E (sic!) Linux 5.1 from 1997, complete with a 450 pages manual" | Aug 27 18:49 |
| schestowitz | "What do you mean? ‘CD’?" | Aug 27 18:49 |
| schestowitz | "I used to have a RH 5 ISO until the last move two years ago." | Aug 27 18:49 |
| schestowitz | "In a drawer, I have the original installation CDs for Red Hat 8, the first distro I ever installed and used.' | Aug 27 18:49 |
| schestowitz | "Not RHEL, there was no such thing then. No Fedora, either. I also bought the big book. The CDs were in a pocket inside the back cover. Oldest surviving ISO is FC6 (Fedora Core 6). (Though I did download and install FC2 from ISOs. Lost that ISO somewhere along the way.)" | Aug 27 18:49 |
| schestowitz | "What do you mean? ‘CD’" | Aug 27 18:49 |
| schestowitz | "SUSe Linux 9.1, came with a (fairly big) “Learn Linux in 10 minutes” book" | Aug 27 18:49 |
| schestowitz | "right, what about “Boot-Floppy-Disc”!? :-)" | Aug 27 18:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 27 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Debian Wheezy stable :) | Aug 27 18:50 |
| schestowitz | I have the original win$ xp cd that I bought when it came out… | Aug 27 18:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 27 18:50 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6515918 | Aug 27 19:07 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Sadly, to quite a lot of people RMS is a "nuisance" for starting the system which they use for free, Torvalds a celebrated hero. #gnu #linux | Aug 27 19:07 | |
| schestowitz | "AFAIK, Stallman never gave Nvidia the finger. Hero worship is earned." | Aug 27 19:07 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6515698 | Aug 27 19:07 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Qmmp (Winamp-like Mediaplayer) Has Reached Version 0.8.8 http://linuxg.net/install-qmmp-on-ubuntu/ #freesw | Aug 27 19:07 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> linuxg.net | Qmmp (Winamp-like Mediaplayer) Has Reached Version 0.8.8 | LinuxG.net [ http://ur1.ca/nkrm9 ] | Aug 27 19:07 | |
| schestowitz | "Is there any reason to use it rather than mplayer/VLC?" | Aug 27 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Not really. except nostalgia | Aug 27 19:08 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6516464 | Aug 27 19:08 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #paypal a nightmare. Need more alternatives, also to be adopted by more businesses. | Aug 27 19:08 | |
| schestowitz | "I find Paypal very convenient. But what ever happened to Mozilla’s API?" | Aug 27 19:08 |
| schestowitz | For payments? | Aug 27 19:08 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6506042 | Aug 28 06:42 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Nothing to do with #android (people choose weak patterns) and requires physical access anyway http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/android-lock-patterns-are-highly-predictable-could-give-people-access-to-phones-10469314.html | Aug 28 06:42 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.independent.co.uk | Android lock patterns are highly predictable, could give people access to phones - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/njnhf ] | Aug 28 06:42 | |
| schestowitz | "applause" | Aug 28 06:42 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6515651 | Aug 28 06:42 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #ownCloud Desktop Client 2.0 Arrives with Support for Multiple Accounts, More http://news.softpedia.com/news/owncloud-desktop-client-2-0-arrives-with-support-for-multiple-accounts-more-490072.shtml #sharing | Aug 28 06:42 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> news.softpedia.com | ownCloud Desktop Client 2.0 Arrives with Support for Multiple Accounts, More - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/nk70t ] | Aug 28 06:42 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 28 06:42 |
| schestowitz | The Multiple account option is what I was missing. Works like a charm. | Aug 28 06:42 |
| schestowitz | Owncloud really is a wonderful product. :) | Aug 28 06:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 28 06:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 28 06:42 |
| schestowitz | The Multiple account option is what I was missing. Works like a charm. | Aug 28 06:42 |
| schestowitz | Owncloud really is a wonderful product. :) | Aug 28 06:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 28 06:42 |
| schestowitz | You'll know that #owncloud is powerful and that it has grown mainstream when Feds start accusing it of being used for copyright infringement, paedophilia etc. | Aug 28 06:43 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6518183 | Aug 28 06:44 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #paypal had a serious glitch, they double-charged us, and I've had to spend 3 days chasing it, still without remedy. @paypal sucks. Avoid. | Aug 28 06:44 | |
| schestowitz | "I told you…they are terrible!" | Aug 28 06:44 |
| schestowitz | They always were | Aug 28 06:44 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6518180 | Aug 28 06:45 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Critical PayPal XSS vulnerability left accounts open to attack http://betanews.com/2015/08/27/critical-paypal-xss-vulnerability-left-accounts-open-to-attack/ #paypal terrible, greedy, now insecure | Aug 28 06:45 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> betanews.com | Critical PayPal XSS vulnerability left accounts open to attack [ http://ur1.ca/nkxsj ] | Aug 28 06:45 | |
| schestowitz | "Closing my account right now!" | Aug 28 06:45 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6518254 | Aug 28 06:46 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://twitter.com/ukgrimevine/status/636955695728959488 | Aug 28 06:46 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@ukgrimevine: They so tired of Usain Bolt winning look how they tryna sabotage him http://t.co/PcFhcW8YxI | Aug 28 06:46 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 28 06:46 |
| schestowitz | This is typically chinese… | Aug 28 06:46 |
| schestowitz | Haven’t shown that in the home transmission… | Aug 28 06:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 28 06:46 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6514059 | Aug 28 06:46 |
| schestowitz | "Sometimes enough electricity to heat the room." | Aug 28 06:46 |
| schestowitz | Hardly. It doesn't emit much heat. Bought a refurbished replacement yesterday. | Aug 28 06:46 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: My ~13-year-old CRT is starting to show signs of inevitable death, with small explosions seen and heard while switching it on | Aug 28 06:46 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Vecchi_Paolo/status/637191510027554816 | Aug 28 10:21 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Vecchi_Paolo: @ghabuntu My take on #Microsoft's latest PR blunder: http://t.co/9HdFmWLc4b @schestowitz | Aug 28 10:21 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.cio.co.uk | Is Office 365 cheaper than OpenOffice and open source? | Aug 28 10:21 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/79474 | Aug 28 10:21 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | Is Office 365 cheaper than OpenOffice and open source? | Tux Machines | Aug 28 10:21 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MagichaeI/status/637192315145179136 | Aug 28 10:28 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MagichaeI: @schestowitz I find his claim astounding... only 3bn people on Earth have internet access. | Aug 28 10:28 | |
| schestowitz | astounding because he's lying; he measures the wrong thing, like counting in spam accounts when it suits Facebook's agenda | Aug 28 10:28 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/benvantende/status/637217814856794112 | Aug 28 12:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@benvantende: @schestowitz good intentions, but it needs to trickle down in the orga. They communicate the culture shift. MS might be to big to change. | Aug 28 12:02 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/637228998125309952 | Aug 28 12:57 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz Can be a strange company to work for... http://t.co/enpJqU3VSv | Aug 28 12:57 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/637232514369634304 | Aug 28 12:58 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Metztli_IT: Ditched their #bullsh!t 'service' long ago: #Paypal refused to own up a tech glitch that affected my acct negatively https://t.co/A1UyFBEC7X | Aug 28 12:58 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #paypal had server error, took duplicate payments. What an utter failure. Will it self-correct? Doubt it... | Aug 28 12:58 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/VodafoneUKhelp/status/637234269354622976 | Aug 28 13:08 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@VodafoneUKhelp: @schestowitz You can remove your numbers from all marketing calls here http://t.co/jg8hrfALqk ^DCD | Aug 28 13:08 | |
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| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-social | Aug 28 18:10 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6520209 | Aug 28 18:12 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Study reveals that a lot of #psychology 'research' really is just 'psycho-babble' http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/study-reveals-that-a-lot-of-psychology-research-really-is-just-psychobabble-10474646.html people who need help themselves. | Aug 28 18:12 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.independent.co.uk | Study reveals that a lot of psychology research really is just 'psycho-babble' - Science - News - The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/nl6kr ] | Aug 28 18:12 | |
| r_schestowitz | "Yes, but what about your mother? ;-P" | Aug 28 18:12 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6518329 | Aug 28 18:13 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #vista10 spyware: is it finally time to migrate to Ubuntu? http://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/08/27/windows-10-is-it-finally-time-to-migrate-to-ubuntu/ #gnu #linux | Aug 28 18:13 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> insights.ubuntu.com | Windows 10: is it finally time to migrate to Ubuntu? | Ubuntu Insights [ http://ur1.ca/nl6kz ] | Aug 28 18:13 | |
| r_schestowitz | "Ubuntu LOL" | Aug 28 18:13 |
| r_schestowitz | "Ubuntu is OK for newcomers, what’s your preference?" | Aug 28 18:13 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Aug 28 18:14 |
| r_schestowitz | HandyLinux is better for newcomers | Aug 28 18:14 |
| r_schestowitz | Ubuntu has some bad parts, like amazon associations, tracking, lack security (it is easy to crack encryption and password with Ubuntu) etc | Aug 28 18:14 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Aug 28 18:14 |
| r_schestowitz | "Linux Mint Debian easily beats buggy Ubuntu." | Aug 28 18:14 |
| r_schestowitz | "No matter the user choice, the important thing is that the user steers towards more software freedom from time to time. He can choose to use some non-free software if he wants to, it’s not that problematic as long as he engages into seeking computational/software freedom from time to time." | Aug 28 18:14 |
| r_schestowitz | "Of course, being allowed to choose some non-free software, doesn’t mean we should support, teach, help, or suggest him (the user) to use said non-free software or other non-free software.' | Aug 28 18:14 |
| r_schestowitz | "“Is it finally time to migrate to Ubuntu?” No. Mint." | Aug 28 18:15 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Aug 28 18:15 |
| r_schestowitz | Neither one David… The company that ships spyware in it’s OS makes me paranoid about other parts of it, if you know what I mean… | Aug 28 18:15 |
| r_schestowitz | I would trust Ubuntu or any of its derivatives only if I personally compiled from source every single package… | Aug 28 18:15 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Aug 28 18:15 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6518280 | Aug 28 18:16 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: You'll know that #owncloud is powerful and that it has grown mainstream when Feds start accusing it of being used for copyright infringement | Aug 28 18:16 | |
| r_schestowitz | "source ?" | Aug 28 18:16 |
| r_schestowitz | "I think he is using future tense here." | Aug 28 18:16 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/tecknocrat/status/637313194478858240 | Aug 28 18:18 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@tecknocrat: @schestowitz There is a new way coming. I just need pull it all together & present it. | Aug 28 18:18 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6520232 | Aug 28 18:21 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #devuan is almost ready http://files.devuan.org/ #debian sans #lennux | Aug 28 18:21 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> files.devuan.org | Devuan download zone | Aug 28 18:21 | |
| r_schestowitz | "“Alpha2” (of a month ago) is “almost ready”?" | Aug 28 18:21 |
| r_schestowitz | "stop trolling tzafrir" | Aug 28 18:21 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxActionShow/comments/3iq4m6/microsoft_loves_linux_to_death_and_still_tries_to/ | Aug 28 18:25 |
| r_schestowitz | "guess - click bait" | Aug 28 18:25 |
| r_schestowitz | "Microsoft is a big company. It reminds me of Sony and how different parts of the company would be in conflict with each other - most famously were cases between the parts(s) that were responsible for electronics like mp3 players and computers, and the part that is a music label." | Aug 28 18:25 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.reddit.com | Microsoft Loves Linux to Death and Still Tries to Kill GNU/Linux : LinuxActionShow [ http://ur1.ca/nl5vz ] | Aug 28 18:25 | |
| r_schestowitz | That's BS | Aug 28 18:25 |
| r_schestowitz | it's collectively accountable | Aug 28 18:25 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Aug 28 18:26 |
| r_schestowitz | morons who have just discovered the magic of the internet | Aug 28 18:26 |
| r_schestowitz | Heh. You seem to have no idea of who he is. | Aug 28 18:26 |
| r_schestowitz | Btw, if you believe there's a New Microsoft, I think I may have a lovely little bridge to sell you. :) | Aug 28 18:26 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Aug 28 18:26 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6520201 | Aug 28 18:32 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 'Justice' by plea "bargains" http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/28/nyregion/how-a-gun-in-a-purse-became-a-permanent-ball-and-chain.html | Aug 28 18:32 | |
| r_schestowitz | "plea bargaining is corruption and blackmail. Prosecutors. and judges who condone it, should be prosecuted." | Aug 28 18:32 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/nl6si ] | Aug 28 18:32 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6515698 | Aug 28 23:51 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Qmmp (Winamp-like Mediaplayer) Has Reached Version 0.8.8 http://linuxg.net/install-qmmp-on-ubuntu/ #freesw | Aug 28 23:51 | |
| schestowitz | "I have an old version of Winamp that came with an old version of Netscape Communicator that I occasionally run under Wine to remind myself how much more stable browsers are nowadays." | Aug 28 23:51 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> linuxg.net | Qmmp (Winamp-like Mediaplayer) Has Reached Version 0.8.8 | LinuxG.net [ http://ur1.ca/nkrm9 ] | Aug 28 23:51 | |
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| schestowitz | f*ing paypal | Aug 29 00:07 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AskPayPal/status/637398800743559168 | Aug 29 00:07 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AskPayPal: @schestowitz Please be careful as to what info you are posting publicly through Twitter. If you would like us to have a look. Please (more) | Aug 29 00:07 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AskPayPal/status/637398839121412096 | Aug 29 00:07 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AskPayPal: @schestowitz follow and DM us your email and the details. ^AA | Aug 29 00:07 | |
| schestowitz | need anything other than my email and transaction IDs? Figure it out or face negative publicity | Aug 29 00:07 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6513751 | Aug 29 08:19 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This headline is a lie http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2015/08/munich-officials-who-dumped-windows-for-linux-want-microsofts-os-back/ it's not the same officials, there's no change of mind, just 2 dissenting voices | Aug 29 08:19 | |
| schestowitz | "OK, adware and subscriptions are just like spying - politicians think it’s OK because they are elite and above such things themselves. Most valuable targets might get a FREE game of Solitaire." | Aug 29 08:19 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.gizmodo.co.uk | Munich Officials Who Dumped Windows For Linux Want Microsoft's OS Back | Gizmodo UK [ http://ur1.ca/nkg9j ] | Aug 29 08:19 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6520258 | Aug 29 08:20 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Lennart Poettering merged “su” command replacement into systemd: Test Drive on Fedora Rawhide https://tlhp.cf/lennart-poettering-su/ #systemd #lennux | Aug 29 08:20 | |
| schestowitz | "Desktop soon to follow…" | Aug 29 08:20 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> tlhp.cf | Lennart Poettering merged “su” command replacement into systemd: Test Drive on Fedora Rawhide | The Linux Homefront Project | Aug 29 08:20 | |
| schestowitz | "It won’t be GNU Linux for much longer. It will be Poettering Linux, but only until he manages to replace the kernel because he doesn’t get along with Linus." | Aug 29 08:20 |
| schestowitz | They already joke about this | Aug 29 08:20 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6514059 | Aug 29 08:22 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: My ~13-year-old CRT is starting to show signs of inevitable death, with small explosions seen and heard while switching it on | Aug 29 08:22 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 29 08:22 |
| schestowitz | I’ve had CRTs that were very warm. Looking around, I see that typical late model CRTs consume about 100 watts. It would not surprise me to learn my old NEC multisync monitors consumed two or three times that much. I had a desk that I put another desk on top of to reduce distractions and hold books. I’d had several CRTs and they were warm. | Aug 29 08:22 |
| schestowitz | Modern CRTs suck down between 20 and 60 watts. | Aug 29 08:22 |
| schestowitz | In most places, that difference in power consumption is less coal burned. That’s good for everyone. | Aug 29 08:22 |
| schestowitz | Sadly, increased device efficiency does not always drive lower electricity consumption. People often use electricity according to a spending budget. When they notice their bill going down, they make use electricity in some other way that makes them happy or comfortable, like turning down the thermostat some more. | Aug 29 08:22 |
| schestowitz | I’m very much using less electricity for computing now than I did ten years ago and I think it’s driven my overall use down. LCD monitors are part of that. I’m running fewer computers and most of them on the difference in monitor power without sacrificing computing utility or display space. | Aug 29 08:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 29 08:22 |
| schestowitz | I knew they take up more power, but didn't realise how much of a difference it was. Maybe that's a good riddance to this CRT.... | Aug 29 08:22 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6520307 | Aug 29 08:23 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "NO NO NO systemd does it better because <insert confusing buzzwords that will bamboozle executives and journalists>" https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/1022 | Aug 29 08:23 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> github.com | Add new "machinectl shell" command for su(1)-like behaviour by poettering · Pull Request #1022 · systemd/systemd · GitHub [ http://ur1.ca/nl647 ] | Aug 29 08:23 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6522653 | Aug 29 18:59 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@harryhaller@nerdpol.ch: __Assange : What Wikileaks Teaches Us About How the U.S. Operates__ > ---- <strong>  @{ Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) ; schestowitz@joindiaspora.com} </strong><sup> | Aug 29 18:59 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> europe.newsweek.com | Assange: What Wikileaks Teaches Us About How the U.S. Operates [ http://ur1.ca/nlnyi ] | Aug 29 18:59 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/01efae80297b013338b652540061b601 | Aug 29 18:59 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Not a Diaspora post? | Aug 29 18:59 | |
| schestowitz | "also how the victorians worked in their empire" | Aug 29 18:59 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/01efae80297b013338b652540061b601 | Aug 29 19:00 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 29 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Correspondence respecting the ruby mines of Upper Burmah | Aug 29 19:00 |
| schestowitz | learn all about imperialism, monopolies, etc. There’s so much between the lines and straight up front - the government gats its percentage etc. Army sent in, Rothschilds cut out, local ‘rights’ respected but only allowed to use traditional methods - this is a Victorian wikileaks. | Aug 29 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Some references you’l need: Lakh Rubies | Aug 29 19:00 |
| schestowitz | #Burmah was regarded as part of #India for administrative purposes. | Aug 29 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Read it right through - it gets a bit burocratic for a while, but hang in. | Aug 29 19:00 |
| schestowitz | #history #colonialism #realpolitics #exploitation #monopolism #taxes #duties #natives #uk #burmah #myanmar #india #rothschild #antisemitism ? | Aug 29 19:00 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 29 19:00 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6522322 | Aug 29 19:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Assange : What #Wikileaks Teaches Us About How the U.S. Operates http://europe.newsweek.com/assange-what-wikileaks-teaches-us-about-how-u-s-operates-332159 "The study of empires" | Aug 29 19:02 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | I posted the cables regarding the exploitation of rubies in Burmah from archive.org. | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | It showed how empire exploited by taking its percentage at every step after awarding the monopoly to friends. | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | The cables clearly show how Rothschilds were cut out as “non-British” (Cosmopolitan). | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | It hadn’t even invaded the area yet. | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | It showed how it “respected” the native miners by allowing them to continue mining using traditiional methods = forbid them from using modern industrial methods. | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Not a single like. | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Attention span deficit. | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Hence ignorance of Russian history etc. | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | I posted the cables regarding the exploitation of rubies in Burmah from archive.org. | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | It showed how empire exploited by taking its percentage at every step after awarding the monopoly to friends. | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | The cables clearly show how Rothschilds were cut out as “non-British” (Cosmopolitan). | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | It hadn’t even invaded the area yet. | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | It showed how it “respected” the native miners by allowing them to continue mining using traditiional methods = forbid them from using modern industrial methods. | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | "Not a single like." | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Attention span deficit. | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Hence ignorance of Russian history etc. | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | "I say only “DualOS” :-)" | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6522519 | Aug 29 19:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: CEO John Chen Says BlackBerry Devices Need More Apps, but Won’t Confirm Android Plans http://recode.net/2015/08/28/ceo-john-chen-says-blackberry-devices-need-more-apps-but-wont-confirm-android-plans/ #blackberry #linux #android | Aug 29 19:02 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> recode.net | CEO John Chen Says BlackBerry Devices Need More Apps | Re/code [ http://ur1.ca/nlnzj ] | Aug 29 19:02 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6522975 | Aug 29 19:10 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Why government #surveillance won’t protect your data http://fortune.com/2015/08/26/cybersecurity-nsa-att/ protect from who? People half a way across the world? | Aug 29 19:10 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> fortune.com | Why government surveillance won’t protect your data - Fortune [ http://ur1.ca/nlo2g ] | Aug 29 19:10 | |
| schestowitz | "Has Fortune also published an article titled “Why Drinking Gasoline Won’t Improve Your Health”? How about “Why Bathing in Rancid Horse Urine Won’t Make You Smell Better”?" | Aug 29 19:10 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6523104 | Aug 29 19:11 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: VPN down: China goes after Astrill, other anti- #censorship apps in run up to WW2 anniversary parade http://www.scmp.com/tech/apps-gaming/article/1852658/vpn-down-china-goes-after-astrill-other-anti-censorship-apps-run?page=all #japan #china | Aug 29 19:11 | |
| schestowitz | "Why Astrill?!" | Aug 29 19:11 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.scmp.com | VPN down: China goes after Astrill, other anti-censorship apps in run up to WW2 anniversary parade | South China Morning Post [ http://ur1.ca/nlo2l ] | Aug 29 19:11 | |
| schestowitz | "Probably because it’s the best-known (most-used?). Others (eg. the one I use) still work." | Aug 29 19:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/08/michael-brown-study-racial-bias-weapon https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/ https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6520209 | Aug 29 19:13 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.motherjones.com | The Ferguson Shooting and the Science of Race and Guns | Mother Jones [ http://ur1.ca/nlo3o ] | Aug 29 19:13 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-implicit.harvard.edu | ProjectImplicit | Aug 29 19:13 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Study reveals that a lot of #psychology 'research' really is just 'psycho-babble' http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/study-reveals-that-a-lot-of-psychology-research-really-is-just-psychobabble-10474646.html people who need help themselves. | Aug 29 19:13 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.independent.co.uk | Study reveals that a lot of psychology research really is just 'psycho-babble' - Science - News - The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/nl6kr ] | Aug 29 19:13 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 29 19:13 |
| schestowitz | I agree with Harry, especially when the authors of this article talk about racism and weapons identification. Trashing a whole discipline of science is tobacco industry level dishonesty. If you have the education it takes to trash any study, you should know better than this. | Aug 29 19:13 |
| schestowitz | There are some wonderful, well established studies that have been reproduced hundreds of times over decades that are very similar to one of the tests these researchers supposedly were unable to reproduce. There’s the “Doll Test” that was originally done in 1937, which shows that children suffer perception problems from racism. It has been reproduced ever since, all around the world. Another interesting study shows that women score a | Aug 29 19:13 |
| schestowitz | standard of deviation lower on math tests if they are reminded of gender rolls immediately before testing. That too has been repeated in hundreds of ways and is very robust. Such strong demonstrations of racism and sexism with performance results imply racism and sexism can play a roll in policing and weapons identification. I think that racism and sexism in weapons identification have been robustly and repeatedly demonstrated. | Aug 29 19:13 |
| schestowitz | You don’t have to take the researcher’s word for it, they have published a performance test online. You can challenge yourself by visiting their site and pushing the button. I have not because I don’t have Adobe Trash Player. | Aug 29 19:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 29 19:13 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6519433 | Aug 29 19:14 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: SeaWorld criticism surges online after Harry Styles speaks out, analysts report http://www.theguardian.com/travel/2015/aug/27/seaworld-harry-styles-negative-online-comments | Aug 29 19:14 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.theguardian.com | SeaWorld criticism surges online after Harry Styles speaks out, analysts report | Travel | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/nlo40 ] | Aug 29 19:14 | |
| schestowitz | "Banksters realize the power of social media and seek to control it." | Aug 29 19:14 |
| schestowitz | http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/35950/ | Aug 29 20:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-lxer.com | LXer: The irony of ZDNet: Sick of Windows spying on you? Go Linux | Aug 29 20:37 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 29 20:37 |
| schestowitz | While I like seeing this type of article on ZDNet, advising people to switch from Windows to Linux if they value their privacy, ZDNet is one of the worst sites on the net for loading tracking cookies in your browser. Even privacy badger blocked them on my system. | Aug 29 20:37 |
| schestowitz | So, the article should also recommend avoiding the very site it appears on. | Aug 29 20:37 |
| schestowitz | '" | Aug 29 20:37 |
| schestowitz | "Ghostery reports blocking 10 trackers on the page in question. " | Aug 29 20:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 29 20:38 |
| schestowitz | I looked at this article with enormous interest when I was doing my "editing stuff" and wondered: "Well, you'd stop it all if you uninstalled Cortana." But given Microsoft's uncanny and horrible ability to do things you DON'T want with respect to choice, I wonder if you can - completely. One thing I am certain of: I have to use Win8.1 as part of a project I am involved in.....but I will never, never voluntarily allow Win10 to replace the | Aug 29 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Win8.1 installation. | Aug 29 20:38 |
| schestowitz | The more I hear of Win10, the more concerned I get about consumer rights and privacy. If what I am beginning to understand is correct, this software is recording keystrokes, and so the user's passwords to banks, sites, etc. are wide open for Microsoft to scoop up, and by accident, anyone else that Cortana makes a link to without the user's knowledge. When you use Linux, you know that you are in control; when you use Windows, Redmond is in | Aug 29 20:38 |
| schestowitz | control and running your computer the way it wants. | Aug 29 20:38 |
| schestowitz | As my daughter just remarked, this seems to be verging on "spyware". Perhaps I am over-reacting and I'd like some comments on the matter because I may be seeing problems that don't really exist. | Aug 29 20:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 29 20:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 29 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Ridcully, I think the problems you see not only do really exist, I think there are a few aspects of them that are really worrisome. | Aug 29 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Example: remember that in the NSA revelations there was a whole series of LOVEINT revelations, in which individuals at the NSA spied on lovers, wives, husbands, etc? Well, "Microsoft" is not one great monolith - inside it are humans, who now are responsible for handling all that keystroke/voice/image/whatever information the user involuntarily sends them. Humans being humans, it just ain't safe! | Aug 29 20:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 29 20:39 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6522850 | Aug 29 20:41 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: New species of crayfish discovered in Indonesia named after #Snowden http://jakarta.coconuts.co/2015/08/27/new-species-crayfish-discovered-indonesia-named-after-nsa-whistleblower-edward-snowden http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/08/meet-the-crayfish-species-named-after-nsa-whistleblower-edward-snowden/ http://www.newsweek.com/snowden-sea-researchers-name-new-crayfish-after-nsa-leaker-365782 | Aug 29 20:41 | |
| schestowitz | "I think the US just will call that crayfish cherax freedom or something like that." | Aug 29 20:41 |
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| schestowitz | Re: 'Idea Man' by Paul Allen .. | Aug 29 22:37 |
| schestowitz | > I just browsed through 'Idea Man' by Paul Allen. In which he describes the formal partnership agreement that billg persuaded him to sign. Micro-soft divided 64-36 to Gates. Gates reasoned that since Allen was a student while BASIC was been written, he (Allen) was only entitled to the lesser share. Except 'Paragraph 8' of the new partnership agreement exempts Gates, if Gates goes back to full time studies. 'Para 12' states than in the | Aug 29 22:37 |
| schestowitz | event of 'irreconcilable differences', Gates gets to FIRE Allen. There is - of course - no such reciprocal agreement. Thing is, and even at this distance, Allen still thinks Gates didn't diddle him and it was a fair agreement. Remember, later on when Allen became terminally ill and how Allen overheard Gates and Ballmer discussing how to claw back Allens shares before he popped his clogs. | Aug 29 22:37 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 29 22:37 |
| schestowitz | > There's also the licensing agreement with MITS. Microsoft licensed BASIC to MITS (10 years exclusive world-wide license) using a semi-exclusive-non-exclusive license. Later on, other players entered the market and Micro-soft sold them a BASIC license. MITS tried to enforce their exclusive license. But it turned out that Micro-soft had inserted a clause stating that if MITS impedes the distribution of BASIC then Micro-soft could cancel | Aug 29 22:37 |
| schestowitz | the licensing agreement. MITS took them to court and lost. | Aug 29 22:37 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 29 22:37 |
| schestowitz | > Just to recap, Micro-soft screwed their 'partner' MITS, and Gates screwed his 'partner' and friend Paul Allen. Don't take my word for this, go get the book and verify in the text. | Aug 29 22:37 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 29 22:38 |
| schestowitz | > http://zap2it.com/2011/03/microsoft-co-founder-paul-allen-slams-bill-gates-in-new-memoir/ | Aug 29 22:38 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-zap2it.com | Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen slams Bill Gates in new memoir | Zap2It [ http://ur1.ca/nlq4y ] | Aug 29 22:38 | |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 29 22:38 |
| schestowitz | > ps; Remember that story where Gates was on his way to MITS to demo BASIC and wrote the boot-loader on a yellow pad. Well it turns out that it was Paul Allen that wrote the boot-loader and gave the demo. | Aug 29 22:38 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 29 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | "No mention of GNU Guix? It’s really an interesting project." | Aug 23 06:01 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Guix is only part of it. GuixSD is a GNU made distribution not complete yet. http://www.gnu.org/software/guix/ | Aug 23 06:11 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.gnu.org | GNU's advanced distro and transactional package manager — GuixSD | Aug 23 06:11 | |
| oiaohm | Please note GuixSD does not have systemd instead uses GNU DMD. | Aug 23 06:11 |
| oiaohm | GNU is maintaining there own fork of logind called elogind | Aug 23 06:13 |
| oiaohm | To be correcrt systemd-logind fork where they cut it to work without any other systemd parts. | Aug 23 06:15 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: systemd makes me nauseous | Aug 23 11:33 |
| schestowitz | was Linux so broken that it had to be rewritten at so many levels? | Aug 23 11:33 |
| oiaohm | The unfortunate answer yes it had to be rewriten because it was broken. | Aug 23 11:34 |
| oiaohm | Problem was init systems that had been imported from other system to Linux were all based around the idea PID numbers would never be reused. | Aug 23 11:35 |
| oiaohm | Recycling a PID number in kernel saves having to reallocate more memory. | Aug 23 11:35 |
| oiaohm | openrc, DMD and systemd all use methods that are Linux kernel design compadible and don't give a stuff if a PID gets recycled or not. | Aug 23 11:36 |
| oiaohm | Logind is about killing off kde/gnome/xfce..... session manager. | Aug 23 11:37 |
| oiaohm | Yes every X11 desktop implemented own session manager that could be incompadible with each other. | Aug 23 11:38 |
| schestowitz | but systemd is not just an init system | Aug 23 11:39 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: I know you don't exactly like systemd but things just had to change. DMD and Openrc have changed a lot but they are closer to old sysvinit than what systemd is. | Aug 23 11:39 |
| schestowitz | so why change everything else? | Aug 23 11:39 |
| schestowitz | It's not that I dislike it technically | Aug 23 11:39 |
| oiaohm | DMD is not just a init system either. | Aug 23 11:39 |
| schestowitz | it just breaks the ability to choose | Aug 23 11:39 |
| schestowitz | it sort of makes everything monolithic | Aug 23 11:40 |
| oiaohm | systemd is classic example of snowball rolling down hill. | Aug 23 11:40 |
| oiaohm | The more stuff the fixed the bigger it grew. | Aug 23 11:40 |
| oiaohm | the/they | Aug 23 11:40 |
| oiaohm | Its like systemd adding its own time sync tool that does not do latancy calculations. At first you go hey this is bad. But then you find it this is because of a bug where inside a smaller LAN network syncing to server in LAN the latancy correction can go wrong. | Aug 23 11:42 |
| oiaohm | That is the problem I have had with systemd every time I have followed change systemd has done more often than not its about a issue. | Aug 23 11:43 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: problem I have to make systemd smaller items like ntp sync tools need options added coping systemd does. Of course that is just 1 example. | Aug 23 11:45 |
| schestowitz | I'm still not buying it.. | Aug 23 11:52 |
| oiaohm | I am not saying you should. | Aug 23 11:53 |
| oiaohm | We have to accept the fact huge stack of stuff has been broken for a long time. | Aug 23 11:53 |
| oiaohm | Is systemd the right place to fix all of it most like not. | Aug 23 11:53 |
| oiaohm | Is systemd a good place to produce a demo of what is required to make a working system. Most likely yes. | Aug 23 11:54 |
| MinceR | if by "working" you mean "broken" | Aug 23 13:57 |
| MinceR | it must be Opposite Day | Aug 23 13:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2015/aug/21/german-spy-charged-said-to-aid-cia-free/ | Aug 23 14:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.arkansasonline.com | The world in brief [ http://ur1.ca/niype ] | Aug 23 14:02 | |
| schestowitz | "Two planes carrying dozens of parachutists collided in midair Thursday over western Slovakia, killing seven people, officials said. Thirty-one others on board survived by jumping out with their parachutes." | Aug 23 14:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Note I said demo what is required to make a working system. Not that the system would work perfectly. | Aug 23 14:14 |
| MinceR | i don't think that a huge hairball is required to make a working system | Aug 23 14:15 |
| MinceR | gnu/linux before systemd proves that pretty well | Aug 23 14:15 |
| oiaohm | I see DMD and openrc taking what is required. | Aug 23 14:15 |
| oiaohm | systemd has proven cgroup tracking does work. | Aug 23 14:16 |
| oiaohm | Please note GNU is going DMD not systemd. | Aug 23 14:18 |
| oiaohm | GNU is also getting rid of sysvinit. | Aug 23 14:18 |
| MinceR | except they're already putting systemd-logind in there | Aug 23 14:18 |
| MinceR | with who knows how many nsa backdoors. | Aug 23 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Really the code is open to inspection. So hiding back doors is harder. | Aug 23 14:20 |
| oiaohm | GNU is looking to maintain the e branches of broken out parts from systemd | Aug 23 14:20 |
| oiaohm | So GNU is doing what you asked for MinceR to break systemd up. | Aug 23 14:21 |
| MinceR | i did not ask to break systemd up | Aug 23 14:21 |
| oiaohm | You asked for it not to be a unified hair ball. | Aug 23 14:21 |
| MinceR | i did not ask for systemd in any form | Aug 23 14:21 |
| MinceR | no, i said it's badly designed in part because it's a huge hairball with no cohesion | Aug 23 14:21 |
| MinceR | many of its design flaws can not be fixed by patching, only by redesigning (as multiple separate projects) | Aug 23 14:22 |
| oiaohm | And you just listed what GNU is upto. | Aug 23 14:22 |
| MinceR | except patching up poettering's shitty code is not a redesign | Aug 23 14:24 |
| oiaohm | You have to start somewhere. | Aug 23 14:25 |
| MinceR | yes, but that somewhere doesn't have to be neck deep in the septic tank. | Aug 23 14:26 |
| oiaohm | Remember GNU brought sysvinit to Linux the same way. | Aug 23 14:26 |
| oiaohm | So yes we have been neck deep in the septic tank for a long time. | Aug 23 14:27 |
| MinceR | oh really? what other services did they kick out for its sake? | Aug 23 14:27 |
| MinceR | what sort of lock-in did they put in their own applications to force you to use sysvinit? | Aug 23 14:27 |
| oiaohm | Most of the BSD licensed services. | Aug 23 14:27 |
| MinceR | citation needed | Aug 23 14:27 |
| MinceR | from where i'm standing, bsd-licensed services run just fine on sysvinit | Aug 23 14:28 |
| MinceR | including any syslogd of my choice | Aug 23 14:28 |
| oiaohm | http://download.savannah.gnu.org/releases/sysvinit/ | Aug 23 14:29 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-download.savannah.gnu.org | Index of /releases/sysvinit [ http://ur1.ca/niz12 ] | Aug 23 14:29 | |
| oiaohm | Note the last update. | Aug 23 14:29 |
| oiaohm | So sysvinit has not had maintaince updates since 2010 | Aug 23 14:29 |
| MinceR | so what? | Aug 23 14:30 |
| MinceR | this is irrelevant to the earlier points | Aug 23 14:30 |
| oiaohm | http://man.he.net/man8/insserv | Aug 23 14:31 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 200 @ http://man.he.net/man8/insserv ) | Aug 23 14:31 | |
| oiaohm | insserv was never designed to process BSD based init order instructions. | Aug 23 14:31 |
| MinceR | does that prevent a bsd service from running on the system? | Aug 23 14:32 |
| MinceR | of course it doesn't. | Aug 23 14:32 |
| MinceR | yes, most service managers have different syntax for defining services | Aug 23 14:32 |
| oiaohm | For a while when sysvinit was intrucude with GNU tools it did cause issues. | Aug 23 14:32 |
| MinceR | yet it's more mature than systemd will ever be | Aug 23 14:33 |
| oiaohm | That may be true because DMD or openrc might kill systemd out. | Aug 23 14:33 |
| MinceR | i don't see redcrap giving up their leverage | Aug 23 14:33 |
| oiaohm | Or some other solution using the correct frameworks. | Aug 23 14:33 |
| oiaohm | I don't see GNU giving up its DMD any time soon either. | Aug 23 14:34 |
| oiaohm | DMD is unified before Linux and Hurd. | Aug 23 14:34 |
| MinceR | while the FSF advertises systemd as "free"? | Aug 23 14:34 |
| oiaohm | before/between. | Aug 23 14:34 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Aug 23 14:34 |
| oiaohm | FSF is attempting to push http://www.gnu.org/software/guix/ this | Aug 23 14:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.gnu.org | GNU's advanced distro and transactional package manager — GuixSD | Aug 23 14:35 | |
| oiaohm | Now different packaging and DMD | Aug 23 14:35 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically we have Redhat, Ubuntu, and GNU attempting to come up with a unified solution for everything. | Aug 23 14:36 |
| oiaohm | And gentoo | Aug 23 14:36 |
| oiaohm | 4 way cat fight. | Aug 23 14:37 |
| MinceR | if by "everything" you mean "all the use cases that matter to poettering and the nsa, and nothing else" | Aug 23 14:37 |
| oiaohm | Gentoo and GNU don't have interest in poetterings path. | Aug 23 14:37 |
| MinceR | systemd pushers had no problem with breaking servers for alleged but irrelevant boot speed gains. | Aug 23 14:37 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu is likey to fork off at sime time. | Aug 23 14:37 |
| oiaohm | some time. | Aug 23 14:37 |
| MinceR | (because multiseat desktops are SO IMPORTANT in 2015) | Aug 23 14:37 |
| oiaohm | To be truthful LSB standard defines how dependancies between services should be declard in sysvinit files. | Aug 23 14:38 |
| oiaohm | systemd goes and uses that. | Aug 23 14:38 |
| MinceR | lsb is redcrap | Aug 23 14:38 |
| oiaohm | Turns out it was broken millions of ways. | Aug 23 14:38 |
| MinceR | it even declares rpm as the "standard" package format | Aug 23 14:38 |
| MinceR | even though they couldn't hack up a package manager that actually works | Aug 23 14:38 |
| oiaohm | RPM and DEB were both defined as package format. | Aug 23 14:38 |
| MinceR | i'm sick of fascistic companies declaring whatever they do as the "standard" everybody else MUST follow | Aug 23 14:39 |
| MinceR | people seem to have trouble learning from what m$ did. | Aug 23 14:39 |
| oiaohm | Also before systemd attempted to use the LSB dependancy crap 4 other parrall starting init systems attempted it as well. | Aug 23 14:40 |
| oiaohm | There has been a quality control issue in init scripts for quite some time. | Aug 23 14:40 |
| MinceR | that's not an excuse for replacing them with ini files and forcing a disgusting hairball in place of the core of the os | Aug 23 14:41 |
| MinceR | in fact, some (non-debian) free unixes had pretty good rc scripts | Aug 23 14:41 |
| oiaohm | Normally based off BSD. | Aug 23 14:41 |
| MinceR | or being bsd | Aug 23 14:42 |
| oiaohm | Note BSD had a checktool if dependancy information is wrong in a service init file it moves it to a disabled directory. | Aug 23 14:43 |
| oiaohm | So screwed up dependancy information is not tollerated. | Aug 23 14:43 |
| MinceR | while systemd has a broken parser | Aug 23 14:43 |
| MinceR | and if you make a typo in a unit file, the file is silently ignored and the previous version is used | Aug 23 14:44 |
| MinceR | and this is what they've been forcing at users for over 4 years. | Aug 23 14:44 |
| oiaohm | Look up that bug. Systemd stopped be silent skiping over broken files quite a few versions back. | Aug 23 14:44 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: this is the thing some systemd bugs are disappearing. | Aug 23 14:46 |
| MinceR | well after having it forced on allegedly "stable" distro releases | Aug 23 14:47 |
| oiaohm | The question is will enough of these bugs disapper before DMD or Openrc can full challage. | Aug 23 14:47 |
| MinceR | what's worse, well after redcrap releasing it to its own customers via RHEL! | Aug 23 14:47 |
| MinceR | what's the hurry? | Aug 23 14:47 |
| MinceR | why adopt an immature system in a hurry so you don't get to consider the properly designed ones? | Aug 23 14:48 |
| oiaohm | That is a very good question. | Aug 23 14:48 |
| oiaohm | You don't call sysvinit properly designed. | Aug 23 14:48 |
| MinceR | i do | Aug 23 14:48 |
| MinceR | next to systemd, almost anything is. | Aug 23 14:48 |
| oiaohm | Properly design for Linux it would not be using PID files to track to crap. | Aug 23 14:48 |
| MinceR | certainly anything that ever came out of unix is. | Aug 23 14:48 |
| oiaohm | No that is not true. | Aug 23 14:48 |
| MinceR | pid files have never caused as much trouble as systemd did. | Aug 23 14:48 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit was picked up by a lot of Unixs that died out. | Aug 23 14:48 |
| MinceR | sysvinit is cohesive and modular, unlike systemd. | Aug 23 14:49 |
| oiaohm | The force why redhat is rushing is SMF in solaris. | Aug 23 14:49 |
| MinceR | sysvinit uses readable shell scripts for much of its functionality | Aug 23 14:49 |
| MinceR | and yet SMF could run as non-pid1 | Aug 23 14:49 |
| MinceR | and afaik SMF doesn't include all those other services systemd swallowed. | Aug 23 14:49 |
| MinceR | and even if slowlaris is broken, that's no excuse to forcibly break all gnu/linux distros. | Aug 23 14:50 |
| oiaohm | SMF uses a lot of Solaris only services. | Aug 23 14:50 |
| MinceR | uses or includes? | Aug 23 14:50 |
| oiaohm | That have a lot of the features the services in systemd implemented. | Aug 23 14:50 |
| MinceR | does SMF include a syslog daemon? | Aug 23 14:50 |
| oiaohm | Solaris has its own solaris loging daemon that supports binary logging that SMF uses by default. | Aug 23 14:51 |
| oiaohm | I see systemd as a rush job. | Aug 23 14:51 |
| MinceR | forcing systemd on users was much more of a rush job | Aug 23 14:51 |
| oiaohm | SMF was forced on solaris users as well. | Aug 23 14:51 |
| MinceR | well, it always sucks to be the user of a proprietary OS | Aug 23 14:52 |
| MinceR | that isn't news | Aug 23 14:52 |
| oiaohm | Note SMF was forced on Solaris when it was open source. | Aug 23 14:52 |
| MinceR | there were plenty of truly free unixes by then | Aug 23 14:52 |
| MinceR | 154815 < oiaohm> You don't call sysvinit properly designed. | Aug 23 14:53 |
| oiaohm | The sad part is sysvinit script mostly only worked correctly on Linux as most Unix used BSD based. | Aug 23 14:53 |
| MinceR | i actually wasn't even referring to it here | Aug 23 14:53 |
| MinceR | i was referring to openrc, runit and the others. | Aug 23 14:53 |
| oiaohm | If you were talking about making commonality between Unix/Linux you would have been swaping to BSD style. | Aug 23 14:54 |
| oiaohm | openrc being able to support bsd and sysvinit and possilbe in future own I see as unification path. | Aug 23 14:54 |
| oiaohm | There was a issue with package maintainers saying sysvinit only on Linux. | Aug 23 14:55 |
| oiaohm | Maybe systemd being horible enough will make package maintainers in fact do unified when it properly appears. | Aug 23 14:55 |
| MinceR | so, what did Debian GNU/kFreeBSD do? | Aug 23 14:55 |
| MinceR | no, systemd being horrible is killing GNU/Linux. | Aug 23 14:56 |
| oiaohm | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD end up using sysvinit losing BSD ablity to kill services properly. | Aug 23 14:56 |
| MinceR | it has turned at least 9 major distros into fedora clones already. | Aug 23 14:56 |
| MinceR | funny how in one moment you say sysvinit doesn't work correctly on Linux and in the next you say it does. | Aug 23 14:57 |
| oiaohm | Where did I say sysvinit work correctly. | Aug 23 14:58 |
| oiaohm | Sysvinit on kFreebsd was just as broken as sysvinit on Linux kernel. | Aug 23 14:58 |
| oiaohm | This is why BSD pure distrobutions don't use it. | Aug 23 14:59 |
| MinceR | 155325 < oiaohm> The sad part is sysvinit script mostly only worked correctly on Linux as most Unix used BSD based. | Aug 23 14:59 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit script | Aug 23 14:59 |
| oiaohm | That is not saying sysvinit over all. | Aug 23 15:00 |
| oiaohm | I did not say exactly why sysvinit scripts failed. Funny enough is BSD shells historically have been more strict than Linux shells. | Aug 23 15:01 |
| MinceR | and you can run BSD shells on GNU/Linux | Aug 23 15:01 |
| oiaohm | For a long time if you replace the default shell with a BSD shell the result is sysvinit system under Linux does not boot. | Aug 23 15:02 |
| oiaohm | This is the level of broken incompadiblity. | Aug 23 15:03 |
| oiaohm | systemd not attempting to cross platform is mostly being truthful. | Aug 23 15:03 |
| oiaohm | Majority of sysvinit has not been cross platform for a long time. | Aug 23 15:04 |
| oiaohm | it would be so nice if hurding of the cats of BSD, Linux and Unix world was possible to define a proper unified initing system for them all. | Aug 23 15:05 |
| MinceR | that's not systemd | Aug 23 15:06 |
| MinceR | even though the nsa sure wishes it was | Aug 23 15:06 |
| oiaohm | systemd clearly targets not being cross platform. | Aug 23 15:06 |
| oiaohm | Those arguing for cross platform it really time they get there house in order. | Aug 23 15:07 |
| MinceR | so clearly they won't even accept patches | Aug 23 15:07 |
| oiaohm | That is the thing about systemd they have in my eyes gone out of their way to offend people. | Aug 23 15:08 |
| oiaohm | No that is either they are jerks or they are trying to trigger a counter group. | Aug 23 15:08 |
| MinceR | and yet they have a cult following | Aug 23 15:08 |
| oiaohm | No/now | Aug 23 15:08 |
| oiaohm | Exactly how does creating a cult following go against attempting to force the other side to unify. | Aug 23 15:09 |
| MinceR | and debian went down the drain | Aug 23 15:09 |
| oiaohm | Debian has not closed off voting on the topic in future. | Aug 23 15:10 |
| oiaohm | In fact Debian states it would be prefered if a functional cross freebsd/Linux appeared. | Aug 23 15:11 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter anymore | Aug 23 15:11 |
| oiaohm | Please note word functional that means the init system has to be able to kill off services correctly. | Aug 23 15:11 |
| MinceR | one can't trust a "stable" OS where random releases are unstable | Aug 23 15:11 |
| MinceR | especially if their "Long Time Support" means you have to pay up for pretty much any fix | Aug 23 15:12 |
| MinceR | debian gnu/kfreebsd and gnu/hurd are dead | Aug 23 15:12 |
| MinceR | and people are moving to bsd | Aug 23 15:12 |
| MinceR | so if this was just trolling, it's way past time to call it off. | Aug 23 15:13 |
| oiaohm | Debian gnu/kfreebsd is not dead quite yet. It updated 5 month of this year. | Aug 23 15:17 |
| oiaohm | I would say major releases are gone until DMD at least is ready. | Aug 23 15:17 |
| oiaohm | DMD is Linux, Hurd and BSD kernel compadible. On each using correct tracking methods. | Aug 23 15:18 |
| MinceR | it's no longer an official architecture | Aug 23 15:18 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/635450517695660033 | Aug 23 15:19 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz She ended up converting to Catholicism. | Aug 23 15:19 | |
| oiaohm | Really Debian GNU/kfreebsd end up being dropped because it was being more harm than having the users go use BSD itself MinceR | Aug 23 15:19 |
| oiaohm | At this stage. | Aug 23 15:20 |
| MinceR | yeah, i know, there are always excuses | Aug 23 15:20 |
| oiaohm | Please note it was dropped from offical release cycle only. | Aug 23 15:20 |
| oiaohm | Not reseach and development. | Aug 23 15:20 |
| oiaohm | This is why the window for Debian to change away from systemd has not closed yet. | Aug 23 15:21 |
| MinceR | closed or not, debian has failed on all of its promises | Aug 23 15:21 |
| MinceR | it's not free, it's not universal and it's not stable | Aug 23 15:21 |
| MinceR | it's as good as dead. | Aug 23 15:21 |
| oiaohm | Not stable is why Debian GNU/kfreebsd was dropped. | Aug 23 15:22 |
| MinceR | might as well drop the rest too | Aug 23 15:22 |
| oiaohm | The goal of going after stablity is what brought systemd in. | Aug 23 15:22 |
| MinceR | i'd say it's just another ubuntu now, but actually it's even worse | Aug 23 15:22 |
| MinceR | in that case, they have no idea what stability is, which is even worse | Aug 23 15:23 |
| oiaohm | No they know what stability is. Problem is they were way more reseached on how sysvinit was broken and hoped systemd was the path out. | Aug 23 15:23 |
| oiaohm | And they are getting kinda annoyed with it. | Aug 23 15:23 |
| MinceR | that's wrong. | Aug 23 15:23 |
| oiaohm | it being systemd. | Aug 23 15:23 |
| MinceR | systemd is far more broken than sysvinit ever was | Aug 23 15:24 |
| oiaohm | I have listed many cases of sysvinit being broken. | Aug 23 15:24 |
| MinceR | and i have listed many cases of systemd being broken | Aug 23 15:24 |
| MinceR | and an important difference is that you can't swap sysvinit out, but once you commit to systemd, there's no way out | Aug 23 15:25 |
| oiaohm | Reality is both sysvinit and systemd were borken. | Aug 23 15:25 |
| MinceR | to different degrees | Aug 23 15:25 |
| oiaohm | Also 2010 sysvinit went unmaintained. | Aug 23 15:25 |
| MinceR | also, systemd is unfixable | Aug 23 15:25 |
| oiaohm | Debian delayed the init vote as long as they could. | Aug 23 15:26 |
| MinceR | no they did not | Aug 23 15:26 |
| oiaohm | O yes they did. | Aug 23 15:26 |
| MinceR | they could have easily gone sysvinit for jessie | Aug 23 15:26 |
| MinceR | they chose to do everything they can to force systemd down their users' throats instead. | Aug 23 15:26 |
| oiaohm | In fact 1 year past the limit of when unmaintained packages are meant to be removed. | Aug 23 15:26 |
| oiaohm | Reality that sysvinit packages still exist in debian is they are allowing rules to be breached. | Aug 23 15:27 |
| MinceR | i'd choose an unmaintained package over a package with severe fundamental design flaws and a bad attitude on the part of its "maintainers" any day. | Aug 23 15:27 |
| MinceR | also, they pretended there's only sysvinit, upstart and systemd | Aug 23 15:27 |
| MinceR | even though there are dozens of others | Aug 23 15:27 |
| oiaohm | No they had openrc in mix. | Aug 23 15:27 |
| oiaohm | But at the time of vote it was crashing more often than systemd. | Aug 23 15:27 |
| MinceR | the packages won't help at all because hundreds of packages depend on systemd | Aug 23 15:27 |
| MinceR | debian wields package dependencies as weapons | Aug 23 15:27 |
| MinceR | they also broke debootstrap to force systemd and didn't integrate devuan's patch that fixes that | Aug 23 15:28 |
| MinceR | they also broke their "upgrades" to force systemd on users. | Aug 23 15:28 |
| MinceR | no, they claimed "openrc is not mature and we must hurry" | Aug 23 15:28 |
| MinceR | even though openrc is more mature than systemd (or poettering) ever will be. | Aug 23 15:29 |
| MinceR | funny, openrc worked just fine when i used gentoo | Aug 23 15:29 |
| MinceR | and that was before systemd even existed. | Aug 23 15:29 |
| MinceR | systemd apologists love claiming that certain things are impossible that were done regularly before systemd | Aug 23 15:30 |
| MinceR | it's impossible to maintain an OS with that attitude. | Aug 23 15:30 |
| MinceR | might as well close shop and say "sorry guys, but according to my new religion, this OS doesn't exist" | Aug 23 15:31 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: when did you try openrc. | Aug 23 15:32 |
| oiaohm | Sorry to say openrc has matured a lot since the last vote time. | Aug 23 15:32 |
| MinceR | i don't know, it wasn't even called openrc back then, afaik | Aug 23 15:32 |
| oiaohm | for Debian init systems. | Aug 23 15:32 |
| MinceR | it was a long time ago, before i used [k]ubuntu. | Aug 23 15:32 |
| oiaohm | That was before they implemented tracking right. | Aug 23 15:32 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: little mistake ehre. | Aug 23 15:34 |
| oiaohm | openrc has always been called openrc. | Aug 23 15:34 |
| oiaohm | Ok there has been only 1 minor change in name. | Aug 23 15:35 |
| oiaohm | Openrc is modern OpenRC is old. | Aug 23 15:35 |
| oiaohm | Opps | Aug 23 15:35 |
| oiaohm | OpenRc is old. | Aug 23 15:35 |
| oiaohm | completely hell to type. | Aug 23 15:35 |
| MinceR | then it wasn't advertised back then :> | Aug 23 15:35 |
| oiaohm | Really early openrc. cgroups was not used for tracking processors. Also at the time debian was looking at init systems the cgroup system in openrc has not stablised. | Aug 23 15:36 |
| oiaohm | Its a timing thing. | Aug 23 15:37 |
| oiaohm | Mandory vote due to unmaintained package replacement happens at the very time openrc is having issues. | Aug 23 15:37 |
| MinceR | again, debian was rushing to force systemd on its users | Aug 23 15:38 |
| MinceR | exactly the wrong approach. | Aug 23 15:38 |
| oiaohm | Debian has a consitution they have to follow. | Aug 23 15:38 |
| MinceR | taking over the maintenance of sysvinit would have been easier and it would have led to a stable jessie. | Aug 23 15:38 |
| MinceR | yeah, and see where it got them. | Aug 23 15:38 |
| oiaohm | Part of going unmaintained is waiting 12 months after asking for someone to pick up maintainership. | Aug 23 15:39 |
| oiaohm | Reality no one did pick up maintainership of sysvinit MinceR | Aug 23 15:39 |
| MinceR | allegedly debian has package maintainers. | Aug 23 15:40 |
| oiaohm | There is a difference between package maintainer and upstream maintainer that is in the consitution. | Aug 23 15:40 |
| oiaohm | Debian was trapped by their own rules. | Aug 23 15:41 |
| MinceR | rules can be changed | Aug 23 15:41 |
| oiaohm | Only if enough people agree in the votes with Debian. | Aug 23 15:41 |
| MinceR | and a free, stable, universal OS is more important than the rules. | Aug 23 15:41 |
| MinceR | that's the real problem there | Aug 23 15:41 |
| MinceR | redcrap/gnome entryism. | Aug 23 15:41 |
| oiaohm | The rules of debian still allow those who are maintainers to propose a new init vote. | Aug 23 15:42 |
| oiaohm | For the next release. | Aug 23 15:42 |
| MinceR | that would be equal to asking "are you still on redcrap payroll?" | Aug 23 15:42 |
| MinceR | and like i said, the next release doesn't matter. | Aug 23 15:43 |
| MinceR | one can't run mission critical systems on "maybe the next release won't suck". | Aug 23 15:43 |
| oiaohm | In fact no redhat personal who are debian maintainers is exactly zero. | Aug 23 15:43 |
| MinceR | i'm sure they use indirection to maintain the illusion that it's not them doing it | Aug 23 15:44 |
| oiaohm | Not at all. | Aug 23 15:44 |
| MinceR | if the software industry cared half as much about getting their shit to work as they care about tricking, misleading and forcing people, we would have working, reliable, secure software. | Aug 23 15:45 |
| MinceR | but instead we get a cesspool full of wannabe dictators. | Aug 23 15:45 |
| MinceR | and vista10, and systemd, and macos. | Aug 23 15:45 |
| oiaohm | Problem is when you get down to a vote without sysvinit over init systems 30 percent vote systemd. 10 vote openrc. And the rest go what the. | Aug 23 15:45 |
| MinceR | and flash, and html5 | Aug 23 15:45 |
| oiaohm | Basically the slient majority in Debian want something else. | Aug 23 15:46 |
| oiaohm | Problem is we need someone to provide it. | Aug 23 15:46 |
| oiaohm | Ok to be correct they are not that slient. | Aug 23 15:46 |
| MinceR | that will be devuan. | Aug 23 15:47 |
| oiaohm | That is still a modified systemd MinceR | Aug 23 15:47 |
| oiaohm | Please note the 60 percent stated they wanted cross kernel support. | Aug 23 15:47 |
| oiaohm | DMD if it can be got working will match what they requested. | Aug 23 15:48 |
| MinceR | hopefully they'll remove the rest of the tumore | Aug 23 15:48 |
| MinceR | s/.$// | Aug 23 15:48 |
| MinceR | if not, i'll use slackware, funtoo and/or gentoo. | Aug 23 15:48 |
| oiaohm | Its also horible with openrc with debian is the maintainer is kinda missing a lot. | Aug 23 15:49 |
| oiaohm | openrc has repeatedly failed debian automated quality controls. | Aug 23 15:49 |
| MinceR | their quality controls need quality control | Aug 23 15:49 |
| MinceR | if it passed systemd, it isn't worth anything. | Aug 23 15:50 |
| MinceR | there are so many red flags in systemd it isn't even funny. | Aug 23 15:50 |
| oiaohm | Funny enough the number of patches systemd maitnainer on debian is applying is not funny to it passes qa bots. | Aug 23 15:52 |
| oiaohm | I don't disagree there is a quality problem. | Aug 23 15:52 |
| oiaohm | Problem here is with debian qa bots you see qa problems with openrc and systemd | Aug 23 15:53 |
| MinceR | when their answer to a null pointer dereference in pid1 is "none of us tests this" that should be a clear warning | Aug 23 15:53 |
| MinceR | the scariest part is that these retards also managed to get their code in the kernel. | Aug 23 15:54 |
| oiaohm | Only after very serous reviews. | Aug 23 15:54 |
| oiaohm | Please note directly submitting code to Linux kernel they lost. | Aug 23 15:54 |
| MinceR | which will be history once they get rid of Linus | Aug 23 15:54 |
| oiaohm | Because out of 200 patches zero passed basic QA | Aug 23 15:54 |
| MinceR | and even so, hype-v with hardcoded "/etc.d/networking restart" somehow made it into the kernel. | Aug 23 15:55 |
| MinceR | (from a different team of retards, though) | Aug 23 15:55 |
| oiaohm | hype-v with hard coded passed linux kernel standard static anlization. | Aug 23 15:55 |
| oiaohm | Those 200 patches did not pass the automated tool of the Linux kernel. | Aug 23 15:56 |
| oiaohm | Let alone human review. | Aug 23 15:56 |
| MinceR | i was hoping there were also code reviews, not just automatic checks. | Aug 23 15:56 |
| MinceR | where such code should bring up the comment "what the fuck do you think you're doing?" | Aug 23 15:56 |
| oiaohm | https://sparse.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page << before submitting any patch you are meant to at least run this with the Linux kernel. | Aug 23 15:57 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-sparse.wiki.kernel.org | Sparse Wiki [ http://ur1.ca/4zkxc ] | Aug 23 15:57 | |
| oiaohm | And sparse is what the Linux kernel developers call the basic quality control MinceR | Aug 23 15:58 |
| oiaohm | Then you have formal review by other developers who sign off or place a reject notice on patch. | Aug 23 15:58 |
| oiaohm | Now when those doing reviews find the submitted patch does not pass sparse they are extreamly pissed off. | Aug 23 15:59 |
| oiaohm | Something with systemd I have not found any reports of them using any automated quality control tools. | Aug 23 16:00 |
| MinceR | they probably can't stand anyone criticizing their code | Aug 23 16:00 |
| MinceR | (or anything) | Aug 23 16:00 |
| oiaohm | The qa bots with debain use a lot of automated quality control tools. | Aug 23 16:01 |
| MinceR | i wonder how they hacked the bots to prevent them from checking systemd | Aug 23 16:02 |
| oiaohm | They did not. | Aug 23 16:03 |
| oiaohm | remember what I said about systemd in debian having a lot of patches. | Aug 23 16:04 |
| oiaohm | Lot of debian only patches fixing up what the bots found. | Aug 23 16:04 |
| MinceR | it's a pity design flaws, bad practices, bad processes and bad attitude can't be patched | Aug 23 16:05 |
| oiaohm | Basically systemd mainline 100 percent sure suxs. | Aug 23 16:05 |
| MinceR | which is what i keep saying. | Aug 23 16:05 |
| oiaohm | But debian is doing the best with the nightmare location they are in. | Aug 23 16:05 |
| MinceR | no, they're not | Aug 23 16:05 |
| oiaohm | They are. | Aug 23 16:05 |
| MinceR | doing the best would be keeping systemd out of the system. | Aug 23 16:05 |
| oiaohm | Replace with what. | Aug 23 16:05 |
| MinceR | along with all of its metastasises | Aug 23 16:06 |
| oiaohm | That is maitnained. | Aug 23 16:06 |
| oiaohm | maintained. | Aug 23 16:06 |
| MinceR | no, don't replace anything with systemd | Aug 23 16:06 |
| MinceR | debian didn't start with systemd | Aug 23 16:06 |
| oiaohm | You need a init system. | Aug 23 16:06 |
| MinceR | and they had one | Aug 23 16:06 |
| oiaohm | sysvinit is no longer maintained. | Aug 23 16:06 |
| MinceR | and they had several that could be dropped in | Aug 23 16:06 |
| oiaohm | Those also failed quality assessment. | Aug 23 16:06 |
| MinceR | they could maintain systemd with less effort than it takes to patch the holes the analyzers report in systemd. | Aug 23 16:06 |
| MinceR | all alternatives failing quality assessment is no reason for abandoning one and switching to another. | Aug 23 16:07 |
| oiaohm | again who is going to put there hand up for that. | Aug 23 16:07 |
| MinceR | s/maintain systemd/maintain sysvinit/ | Aug 23 16:07 |
| MinceR | i don't know and i don't care | Aug 23 16:07 |
| oiaohm | That is the problem. | Aug 23 16:07 |
| MinceR | but i suspect the VUAs would have done so if nobody else did | Aug 23 16:07 |
| oiaohm | VUA did not. | Aug 23 16:07 |
| MinceR | now they're stuck with more work because debian is led by idiots. | Aug 23 16:07 |
| oiaohm | You are kinda wrong. | Aug 23 16:08 |
| oiaohm | Leader can only go paths if the ones they leading are providing what they need. | Aug 23 16:08 |
| MinceR | yet there were enough people who wanted to go the right way | Aug 23 16:08 |
| oiaohm | Issue debian leaders have is they are stuck. | Aug 23 16:08 |
| MinceR | even at the cost of abandoning these shitty excuses for "leaders" | Aug 23 16:09 |
| MinceR | and even if they decided to make systemd the default, they could have still allowed for the option to use something sane | Aug 23 16:09 |
| oiaohm | The problem here a lot want to go a different path to systemd but no one is putting up the resources to go those other paths. | Aug 23 16:09 |
| MinceR | they chose to use every means available to them to force systemd on their users. | Aug 23 16:09 |
| MinceR | except as we speak some people are putting up more resources to go those other paths. | Aug 23 16:10 |
| oiaohm | And I hope they are successful. | Aug 23 16:10 |
| MinceR | even bsdutils depends on libsystemd0! | Aug 23 16:10 |
| MinceR | there isn't even any systemd in bsd! | Aug 23 16:10 |
| MinceR | there's no excuse for this | Aug 23 16:11 |
| oiaohm | I did go snooping into bsdutils I cannot remember what is refering libsystemd0 for but it something that is a hurd/freebsd syscall that is not a Linux kernel one. | Aug 23 16:19 |
| MinceR | apparently they've hacked some journald support into it that nobody asked for | Aug 23 16:20 |
| oiaohm | That it | Aug 23 16:20 |
| oiaohm | kernel in bsd and hurd can report what logging service to use. | Aug 23 16:20 |
| oiaohm | I really think that should have been fix libc | Aug 23 16:21 |
| MinceR | journald should never have been conceived | Aug 23 16:22 |
| oiaohm | Note I said logging service. So function to report command to use to properly wrap a service | Aug 23 16:23 |
| oiaohm | So hurd and BSD support changing logging services many times better than linux due to that syscall | Aug 23 16:24 |
| oiaohm | rsyslog has a wrapper program like journald does to capture logging same with a lot of other logging programs. | Aug 23 16:25 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: this is some of the evil once you dig a bit deeper there are bugs libsystemd0 is masking over. | Aug 23 16:26 |
| MinceR | it also helps redcrap and the NSA inject any code they want into many programs via "updates" to a library they keep claiming does nothing if you're not running systemd. | Aug 23 16:27 |
| oiaohm | Do note here that there was a problem that something was broken and all systemd does is patch over it incorrectly. | Aug 23 16:29 |
| oiaohm | So to reduce systemd embedding we have to work out how to to get some these faults fix. | Aug 23 16:30 |
| MinceR | we don't have to keep systemd in our system while we figure that out, though | Aug 23 16:30 |
| oiaohm | Maybe maybe not. | Aug 23 16:31 |
| oiaohm | I cannot remember the historic library that was connected all over the place. | Aug 23 16:31 |
| MinceR | debian squeeze has no systemd parts whatsoever | Aug 23 16:31 |
| oiaohm | That when a person went nuts removing it fixed so much it was not funny. | Aug 23 16:31 |
| MinceR | yet i can run it even today | Aug 23 16:31 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember the old pthread librarys. | Aug 23 16:32 |
| oiaohm | the one for pam. | Aug 23 16:32 |
| oiaohm | its no more. | Aug 23 16:32 |
| oiaohm | it was the same kind of issue as what libsystemd0 is doing. | Aug 23 16:32 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635502844788011008 | Aug 23 18:25 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @schestowitz nope. Known GRU officer tied to Buk movement. Fled in a panic back to RU bewailing the "disaster". | Aug 23 18:25 | |
| schestowitz | Buk movement and Buk usage not the same | Aug 23 18:25 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635503842747117568 | Aug 23 18:31 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @schestowitz no evidence of UA involvement in the #MH17 atrocity. | Aug 23 18:31 | |
| schestowitz | Not the army, the separatists | Aug 23 18:31 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635504838814642176 | Aug 23 18:33 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @schestowitz Pix of Buck launch plume from rebel held Snizhne. Buk witnessed in Snizhne. #MH17 | Aug 23 18:33 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635505735904960513 | Aug 23 18:40 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @schestowitz RU Buk "3X2", 53rd brigade, Kursk tracked from RU to Snizhne and back to RU less a missile. #MH17 | Aug 23 18:40 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/haniefhaider/status/635509928443150336 | Aug 23 18:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@haniefhaider: @schestowitz Did @MCFC not hv 11 wins in a row at beginning of 2011/2012 season? Why does 33 points stick in my mind? | Aug 23 18:55 | |
| schestowitz | not sure, but it's possible. Saw someone saying 9 in a row is a new record. | Aug 23 18:55 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/iridesce57/status/635523393467588608 | Aug 23 19:50 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@iridesce57: @schestowitz ... THIS ... | Aug 23 19:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/haniefhaider/status/635527423879172096 | Aug 23 20:15 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@haniefhaider: @schestowitz Did some research.They take ALL matches into account.We drew in champions league against Napoli along the way.19Sept11? @MCFC | Aug 23 20:15 | |
| schestowitz | Maybe that's why; depends on how it's counted | Aug 23 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6500991 | Aug 23 21:44 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@harryhaller@nerdpol.ch: BradCast_BradFriedman_RayMcGovernMH17_082015.mp3 - http://bradblog.com/audio/BradCast_BradFriedman_RayMcGovernMH17_082015.mp3 via @{Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) ; schestowitz@joindiaspora.com} #raymcgovern #ciavet #cia | Aug 23 21:44 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6500188 | Aug 23 21:45 |
| schestowitz | "If the idea is to boycott US products and brands it’s working on me." | Aug 23 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Not so easy, and much of it is made in China anyway, with US brand put on it all before shipping | Aug 23 21:46 |
| schestowitz | To boycott them where it hurts boycott weapons like bombs, planes (if you as a citizen can buy any at all) | Aug 23 21:46 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/99bazaar/status/635685199532158976 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635686404169801729 | Aug 24 07:04 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@99bazaar: @schestowitz thanks for the retweet today :) | Aug 24 07:04 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @loondale I never ruled out Buk. I ruled out Snizhne launch site. You deliberately misrepresent what I said. #MH17 @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 24 07:04 | |
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| schestowitz | >>>> >>>> http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/24/us-france-train-shots-lawyer-idUSKCN0QS0HF20150824 | Aug 24 10:51 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.reuters.com | French train gunman 'dumbfounded' by terrorist tag | Reuters [ http://ur1.ca/njbmo ] | Aug 24 10:51 | |
| schestowitz | >>>>>> >>>> >> | Aug 24 10:51 |
| schestowitz | >>>>>> >>>> >> taquiya | Aug 24 10:51 |
| schestowitz | >>>> >>> > What does that mean? | Aug 24 10:51 |
| schestowitz | >>>> >>> > | Aug 24 10:51 |
| schestowitz | >>>> >>> > | Aug 24 10:51 |
| schestowitz | >> >> Authorized / encouraged lying to further their jihad. There are | Aug 24 10:51 |
| schestowitz | >> >> spelling variants since it is a transliteration. There is also a | Aug 24 10:51 |
| schestowitz | >> >> variant, lying by omission, but that I think is not relevant here. | Aug 24 10:51 |
| schestowitz | > > | Aug 24 10:51 |
| schestowitz | > > Maybe what the lawyer told him to say, painting him as a hungry victim. | Aug 24 10:51 |
| schestowitz | I doubt that even lawyers are allowed to bend the truth that far. | Aug 24 10:51 |
| schestowitz | Either way, he'll end up in an incubator (aka jail) for what some people | Aug 24 10:51 |
| schestowitz | are trying to re-label as radicalism. There he will indoctrinate others | Aug 24 10:51 |
| schestowitz | and in turn be further indoctrinated. Oh, well, since he survived, it | Aug 24 10:51 |
| schestowitz | is for the courts to sort out. | Aug 24 10:51 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6503218 | Aug 24 10:53 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #twitter - like #facebook - is increasingly a platform of #censorship and #surveillance - need to reduce people's dependence on both | Aug 24 10:53 | |
| schestowitz | "Chinese name…well, it is in my driving license 😀😀😀. I’m living in Beijing" | Aug 24 10:53 |
| schestowitz | My wife got a Chinese name while in taiwan. they seem to insist on Mandarinising people. | Aug 24 10:53 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635763572119859200 | Aug 24 11:52 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @masamikuramoto @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz Russian evidence re #MH17 fails all stress tests,clear Kremlin is hiding something,poorly | Aug 24 11:52 | |
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| schestowitz | >> > | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > The PDF | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.ris-muenchen.de/RII/RII/DOK/ANTRAG/3745830.pdf | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > is signed by these two | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > Sabine Pfeiler, Stadtrat | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > Otto Seidl, Stadtrat | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > Your German is certainly better than mine, but there are probably these | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > two: | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > <a href="http://www.ris-muenchen.de/RII/RII/ris_mitglieder_detail.jsp?risid=3312549&periodeid=3184778"></a> | Aug 24 12:23 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.ris-muenchen.de | RIS München - Bereich Stadtrat - Stadtratsmitglieder - Detailsuche [ http://ur1.ca/njd3z ] | Aug 24 12:23 | |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > <a href="http://www.ris-muenchen.de/RII/RII/ris_mitglieder_detail.jsp?risid=1418516&periodeid=3184778"></a> | Aug 24 12:23 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.ris-muenchen.de | RIS München - Bereich Stadtrat - Stadtratsmitglieder - Detailsuche [ http://ur1.ca/njd40 ] | Aug 24 12:23 | |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > They're both in office through 2020. | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > The main argument that the laptops have no programs for text editing, | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > Skype, Office etc does not hold water. LibreOffice and even nasty ol' | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > unsafe Skype are available for GNU/Linux on x86, though the latter has | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > not been approved by the IT dept there. But the Tech Republic article | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > does say they are using Intel processors and that LibreOffice is on them. | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > Seidl had in 2014 defended LiMux against mayor Dieter Reiter and Josef | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > Schmid. However, I think that something is fishy, but cannot find | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | > anything with just a cursory search | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | This morning I mentioned the CBS report (TechRep owned by CBS) without a link, regarding what goes on in India right now. There's also that story from Italy that Microsoft propaganda sites are now banging about. | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | I think Vista 10 is a real pain in the arse, esp. for government, so Microsoft will need to do anything (even blackmail and bribes) to get its way there. | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> Two 'softers. Annoying that they get any press at all. | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | >>>>> >>> > | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | >>>>> >>> > Nick Heath <http://www.techrepublic.com/search/?a=nick+heath> is on | Aug 24 12:23 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.techrepublic.com | Nick Heath - TechRepublic Editor [ http://ur1.ca/nhlfk ] | Aug 24 12:23 | |
| schestowitz | >>>>> >>> > the good side. He has been covering this for years and his intention | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | >>>>> >>> > is to raise awareness, scrutiny, and maybe attract scrutiny to the | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | >>>>> >>> > people that try to derail. I hope this leads to many people, esp. in | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | >>>>> >>> > Munich, publicly mocking the | Aug 24 12:23 |
| schestowitz | >>>>> >>> > culprits.<https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=@nickjheath> | Aug 24 12:24 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-twitter.com | Nick Heath (@NickJHeath) on Twitter [ http://ur1.ca/nhlfo ] | Aug 24 12:24 | |
| schestowitz | >>> >> Good. Because it does look like only two softers and not two | Aug 24 12:24 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> independent people. More can be done to bring up the games that M$ | Aug 24 12:24 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> /continues/ to play against competitors, especially FOSS. Too many are | Aug 24 12:24 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> falling for that "another chance" tactic, one that's been used every few | Aug 24 12:24 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> years for decades. | Aug 24 12:24 |
| schestowitz | >> > Is there anything negative or suspicious in the professional background of the troublemakers. Maybe college mates who now work at Microsoft? Maybe more blackmailed members of Parliament, like in UK and Norway (if you do, we'll do this for your area, if you don't, we'll punish you)? | Aug 24 12:24 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635771099473670144 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635771099473670144 https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635774981553655808 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635776167258247168 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635776943879778304 | Aug 24 12:56 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @MJoyce2244 Denial may be an option for you but not for investigators/prosecutors. #MH17 @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 24 12:56 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @masamikuramoto @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz your story changes again,you ruled out BuK and happily blamed Python missile #MH17 | Aug 24 12:56 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @roarbro I haven't seen any stress tests performed, bellingcat doesn't count, no expertise. #MH17 @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 24 12:56 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @MJoyce2244 Radar analysis wasn't part of preliminary report, is still waiting to be published. #MH17 @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 24 12:56 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635779045473525760 https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635779375410061313 | Aug 24 12:57 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @masamikuramoto @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz afraid so SU-25 claim failed,Israeli Python failed,bomb on board failed,sat pic failed #MH17 | Aug 24 12:57 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @masamikuramoto @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz Kremlin's desperate search for any cause other than BuK to blame failed,BuKs the Killer #MH17 | Aug 24 12:57 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TokyoRose_01/status/635781096324526080 | Aug 24 12:57 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@TokyoRose_01: #auspol Australia's forgotten coup https://t.co/tMinvBUsEl | Aug 24 12:57 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: John Pilger: CIA role in Australia's forgotten coup https://t.co/SEuhbzxS9G "fascist putsch against an elected government in Ukraine" | Aug 24 12:57 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/64AnthonyP/status/635782448631037952 | Aug 24 12:59 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@64AnthonyP: @TokyoRose_01 @schestowitz Nah. I'm sure if you ask Rupert Murdoch he'd say something different to Pilger. | Aug 24 12:59 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/OlgaCorbett/status/635782556248580096 | Aug 24 13:00 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@OlgaCorbett: @irishexaminer @sn0wba111. Malware. https://t.co/kSarTA1RXz | Aug 24 13:00 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #Microsoft #Windows Leads to #Espionage and #Blackmail : Latest Examples http://t.co/Jv2lazfAI4 negligent to even think #security possible | Aug 24 13:00 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TokyoRose_01/status/635782821601148928\ | Aug 24 13:00 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@TokyoRose_01: @64AnthonyP @schestowitz lol ... Rupert's the propagandist for the fascist putsch? lol | Aug 24 13:00 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/64AnthonyP/status/635783162849656832 | Aug 24 13:00 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@64AnthonyP: @TokyoRose_01 @schestowitz All he said to his editors was "Kill Whitlam". That's all! No biggie. | Aug 24 13:00 | |
| schestowitz | Politics on demand, killing using words | Aug 24 13:01 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TokyoRose_01/status/635783451925311488 | Aug 24 13:01 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@TokyoRose_01: @64AnthonyP @schestowitz lol .. you make old Rupert sound sooooooooo hot. ;) | Aug 24 13:01 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/64AnthonyP/status/635784063924592640 | Aug 24 13:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@64AnthonyP: @TokyoRose_01 @schestowitz Look up Rupert Murdoch and Nugan Hand Bank. Here's a start. https://t.co/N4Ial2qjYW | Aug 24 13:02 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> nuganhand.wordpress.com | Whitlam, the CIA and Nugan Hand | Chasing Nugan Hand | Aug 24 13:02 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/CT4444/status/635784229612335106 | Aug 24 13:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@CT4444: @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @loondale @schestowitz "Heavy cloud cover" not true. Changeable & sparse - - -> http://t.co/LDc1JEKi8o | Aug 24 13:03 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@CT4444: @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @loondale @schestowitz "Heavy cloud cover" not true. Changeable & sparse - - -> http://t.co/LDc1JEKi8o | Aug 24 13:03 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635830833908158464 https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635834238273777664 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635834968153956352 | Aug 25 01:24 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @roarbro New evidence, new theories. I really don't see what problem you have with that. #MH17 @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:24 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @masamikuramoto nope. A-A got caught lying and impeached itself. You've made a fool of yourself. #MH17 @roarbro @loondale @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:24 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @MJoyce2244 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @schestowitz And let's not forget Almaz-Antey did NOT have hands on debris, just armchair w/pix. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:24 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635835222559490049 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635835643332030464 https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635836756303171584 https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635837242028785665 | Aug 25 01:26 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @MJoyce2244 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @schestowitz And A-A also does NOT have autopsy results with seating charts so missing a lot! #MH17 | Aug 25 01:26 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @MJoyce2244 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @schestowitz A-A can't tell much of anything which the DSB can. So we can dismiss A-A launch. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:26 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @masamikuramoto @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz well then don't deny you wrote BuK off before,man up to your mistakes,as Kremlin should #MH17 | Aug 25 01:26 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @masamikuramoto @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz evidence for Zaroschenskoe ( also rebel controlled) is weak,A-A was less than accurate #MH17 | Aug 25 01:26 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635839312093954049 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635839753615732736 | Aug 25 01:30 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @roarbro @masamikuramoto @CT4444 @schestowitz Oh the irony that in A-A's haste to debunk Snizhne launch they placed BUK in rebel terr. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:30 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @masamikuramoto @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz Nope. Snizhne has not been proven wrong. Well, in your fantasy world maybe. LOL. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:30 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635844198047068160 https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635846050096513024 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635848178647089152 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635850948519284738 https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635852068457181184 | Aug 25 01:31 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @loondale LOL, the Dutch don't know sh*t about Buks. #MH17 @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:31 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @masamikuramoto guess you haven't heard that Finland provided Buk expertise to the DSB. #MH17 @loondale @roarbro @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:31 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @schestowitz U are so silly. DSB includes all the worldwide experts it wants, in weaponry etc. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:31 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @MJoyce2244 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @schestowitz Willing to bet they were not the only ones to do analysis. DSB report should list. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:31 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @loondale DSB probably got a couple Buks and did comparative analysis on aircraft hulks. #MH17 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635855460877381632 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635857102276304897 https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635857673171402753 https://twitter.com/CT4444/status/635859487052705792 | Aug 25 01:32 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @MJoyce2244 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @schestowitz Not to mention that 2 other expert labs already analyzed & reported on BUK frags. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:32 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @loondale And that matters why? #MH17 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:32 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @masamikuramoto you truly are an idiot. Lol!@loondale @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:32 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@CT4444: @masamikuramoto @roarbro @schestowitz Wow! @loondale admits Snizhne has been debunked but claims BUK frags found in #MH17 She blames UA! | Aug 25 01:32 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635859536415473665 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635859806562189312 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635860388010196992 https://twitter.com/silver_stacker/status/635860556986060801 | Aug 25 01:33 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @MJoyce2244 As long as A-A's analysis is accurate, why does it matter where it locates the launch area? #MH17 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:33 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @MJoyce2244 Oh, I forgot, for you guys this isn't about finding out what actually happened. #MH17 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:33 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz You miss the point that A-A's analysis couldn't possibly be accurate. No hands on. | Aug 25 01:33 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@silver_stacker: @CT4444 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @schestowitz @loondale Wtf? What's mad brass instrument Michael's take on this? I forget his twitter name! | Aug 25 01:33 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/CT4444/status/635861367782834176 https://twitter.com/Malinka1102/status/635861762387144705 https://twitter.com/Jetagodi/status/635863767339941888 https://twitter.com/Jetagodi/status/635864152435728385 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635864313610272768 | Aug 25 01:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@CT4444: @silver_stacker @masamikuramoto @roarbro @schestowitz @loondale Michael Joyce's twitter name is @PathologicalLiar | Aug 25 01:35 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Malinka1102: @CT4444 Is she on the wrong drugs?! @masamikuramoto @roarbro @schestowitz @loondale | Aug 25 01:35 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Jetagodi: @MJoyce2244 Khmuryi tapes are frauds. Date of conversation at 7/17 has been falsified on content analysis alone @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:35 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Jetagodi: @MJoyce2244 Spotter taps unlikely. If spotter existed he would have differentiated between AN and B777 in speed and height @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:35 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @loondale The DSB had hands on for months but gave us no more than "high-energy objects". #MH17 @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Jetagodi/status/635864625012195328 https://twitter.com/Jetagodi/status/635864973118447617 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635865201368256512 https://twitter.com/Jetagodi/status/635865241876885504 | Aug 25 01:36 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Jetagodi: @schestowitz Not single item of the BUK trail confirmed as dated on 7/17. Some clearly from other dates (Zuhres, Luhansk vids) @MJoyce2244 | Aug 25 01:36 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Jetagodi: @loondale False info. Will be debunked soon. Don''t hold ur breath!! @roarbro @masamikuramoto @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:36 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz It WAS a preliminary report. Go see ICAO checklist for prelim rpts! #MH17 | Aug 25 01:36 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Jetagodi: @loondale By whom is Mark - "side skirt" - Brown being paid by the way? @roarbro @masamikuramoto @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635865318649405440 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635865425910308868 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635865798196768768 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635865890463072260 | Aug 25 01:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @masamikuramoto A-A's analysis is laughable. Angle wrong. Guidance wrong. Proximity fuse wrong. #MH17 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:37 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz And at time of prelim rpt DSB hadn't recovered all #MH17 debris & remains. | Aug 25 01:37 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @MJoyce2244 Guess you haven't heard A-A's analysis based on Buk specifications never disclosed before. #MH17 @loondale @roarbro @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:37 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz We were discussing A-A lame arse analysis, not DSB. Nice subject change tho' #MH17 | Aug 25 01:37 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635867010149294082 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635867243432308736 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635867617509658624 https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635868251243745280 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635868269455523840 | Aug 25 01:38 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @MJoyce2244 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz The A-A BUK presser was last ditch attempt by RU to save face. Nothing more. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:38 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @MJoyce2244 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz He thinks 'only' A-A knows about BUK specs? That's kinda cute, no? #MH17 | Aug 25 01:38 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @loondale They still haven't done that. I guess they're not interested. #MH17 @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:38 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @loondale @schestowitz Finland has the BuK,please stop playing catch up re #MH17 | Aug 25 01:38 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @loondale Figuring out right side of cockpit much less damaged only requires a photo. #MH17 @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:38 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635868503778660353 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635868686700650496 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635869135587684352 https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635869439901237248 | Aug 25 01:39 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @Jetagodi nope. The "rebels" were using spotter who reported that the "bird" was very high. #MH17 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:39 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @loondale By the way, A-A did inspect the wreckage in NL, if I remember correctly. #MH17 @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:39 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @loondale Also, A-A so convinced of own analysis, they're ready to prove it by experiment. #MH17 @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:39 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @masamikuramoto @loondale @MJoyce2244 @CT4444 @schestowitz lol last time you said that you maintained A-A wanted to prove NOT a BuK re #MH17 | Aug 25 01:39 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635869528220651521 https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635869807456452608 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635869856131350528 | Aug 25 01:40 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @masamikuramoto @loondale @MJoyce2244 @CT4444 @schestowitz you need to focus more ;) | Aug 25 01:40 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @CT4444 @masamikuramoto @schestowitz @loondale odd comment,she clearly mentions A-A tried to debunk, | Aug 25 01:40 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz DSB Preliminary report covered every ICAO requirement. Stop whining! #MH17 | Aug 25 01:40 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/CT4444/status/635870099874914304 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635870274341195776 https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635870481464336384 https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635870592034598912 | Aug 25 01:41 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@CT4444: @masamikuramoto @loondale @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @schestowitz DSB claim they 'found' something somewhere, but what- -> http://t.co/Rvu1bN6gwD | Aug 25 01:41 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@CT4444: @masamikuramoto @loondale @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @schestowitz DSB claim they 'found' something somewhere, but what- -> http://t.co/Rvu1bN6gwD | Aug 25 01:41 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @loondale I'd say it was the first round of egg on US/EU/UA faces, with more to come. #MH17 @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:41 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @masamikuramoto so now you're saying the Kremlin was lying about magic jets all along, dumbass? @loondale @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:41 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @masamikuramoto @loondale @MJoyce2244 @CT4444 @schestowitz Kremlin's #MH17 claims are making it into the doddering old man off the World | Aug 25 01:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sense_amr/status/635870795454017536 https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635870896440393728 https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635871204105146368 | Aug 25 01:42 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@sense_amr: @CT4444 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @schestowitz @loondale @NewsCoverUp umm we always knew it was UA who did it | Aug 25 01:42 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @masamikuramoto you remember wrong. Kremlin gave A-A DSB info following a classified briefing. @loondale @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:42 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @masamikuramoto too late. Actual credible authorities have no doubt already done it. #MH17 @loondale @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:42 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635872038947827712 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635872270901231617 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635872545003175937 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635873043731099648 | Aug 25 01:43 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @masamikuramoto Kremlin is a laughing stock. Look at you and your flip flopping nonsense. #MH17 @loondale @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:43 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz No need to reconstruct the entire plane, silly. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:43 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @roarbro @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @CT4444 @schestowitz Heck no. he's on a roll, lying left & right. Can't even remember his lies. LOL. | Aug 25 01:43 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @MJoyce2244 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz Not to mention the 'Lavrov #MH17 whine of the day.' Truly pathetic. | Aug 25 01:43 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635873157681950720 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635873504949350400 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635873807287349248 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635873968789057536 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635874236662444033 | Aug 25 01:44 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @loondale @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @CT4444 @schestowitz he was broke ages ago,stuck in a loop since | Aug 25 01:44 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @MJoyce2244 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz And that would not have included autopsy results compared to seating. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:44 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @sense_amr @CT4444 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @schestowitz @NewsCoverUp Yet you have ZERO proof. Therefore your say-so is worthless. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:44 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @loondale Ah, but "hands on" is necessary? #MH17 @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:44 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @roarbro @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @CT4444 @schestowitz My vote is to block this fool and cut off his rubles! ASAP! | Aug 25 01:44 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635874557908385792 https://twitter.com/sense_amr/status/635874761889857536 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635874810451599360 | Aug 25 01:44 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @loondale @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @CT4444 @schestowitz meh i like him as a foil,highlights all that is wrong in Rus MoD propaganda | Aug 25 01:44 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@sense_amr: @loondale @ct4444 @masamikuramoto @schestowitz @newscoverup how surprising a "science" follower moron should parrot the mainstream line LOL | Aug 25 01:44 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz Can't do serious modelling/analysis from a 2-dimensional pic, dimwit! #MH17 | Aug 25 01:44 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635875463580270592 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635877846293028865 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635878507126636545 | Aug 25 01:45 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @masamikuramoto @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz No evidence whatsoever for Zaroschenskoe launch. DO catch up. Your lies are slipping! #MH17 | Aug 25 01:45 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @MJoyce2244 I'd rather flip-flop than stick with the debunked Snizhne nonsense. #MH17 @loondale @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:45 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @MJoyce2244 Look at what's left of Snizhne: plume pic, witness, trajectory, all debunked. #MH17 @loondale @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:45 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635880114681679872 https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635880286153277440 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635880716925059072 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635883500315480064 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635883844013584385 | Aug 25 01:46 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz Not a one has been debunked, pal. Least of which is IR sat detection. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:46 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz none have been debunked,simply saying it is is not enough #MH17 | Aug 25 01:46 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz Seriously? That's a joke. Besides JIT keeps their evidence close to vest. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:46 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @CT4444 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @schestowitz No, Clem. U obviously can't read. I said A-A's ATTEMPT to debunk Snizhne. FAILED! #MH17 | Aug 25 01:46 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @roarbro @CT4444 @masamikuramoto @schestowitz Yah, Clem needs glasses obviously. he can't read & he sees all sorts of gremlins. LOL. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:46 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635884440472977408 https://twitter.com/CT4444/status/635886616356233216 https://twitter.com/roarbro/status/635887277860761600 https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635889823530786816 https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635890468690231297 | Aug 25 01:47 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @roarbro @masamikuramoto @MJoyce2244 @CT4444 @schestowitz It's just his delusions. He thinks by saying stuff it becomes credible. LOL. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:47 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@CT4444: @roarbro @masamikuramoto @schestowitz @loondale Misquoting your Ratty friends now? She said: "haste to debunk Snizhne launch" - not 'try' | Aug 25 01:47 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@roarbro: @CT4444 @masamikuramoto @schestowitz @loondale yup,she also put A-A into the sentence clem you got over excited #MH17 | Aug 25 01:47 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @masamikuramoto you lied about Snizhne evidence. You lie about everything constantly. #MH17 @loondale @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:47 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @masamikuramoto too bad the Snizhne pix deemed genuine by experts and in DSB body of evidence @loondale @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:47 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635890668653682688 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635890668653682688 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635891480503132160 https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635891703845638144 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635892580144803840 | Aug 25 01:48 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @MJoyce2244 Nah, you're just constantly in denial. #MH17 @loondale @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:48 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @MJoyce2244 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz Still wondering why RU has not aired any SBIRS or similar data. Hmm. #MH17 | Aug 25 01:48 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @masamikuramoto you're the admitted flip flopper and proven liar not me. @loondale @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:48 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @MJoyce2244 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz Funny how ONLY the RU fantasies keep flip flopping. #MH17 truth IS constant. ODD. | Aug 25 01:48 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/huehuehuio/status/635896218149908480 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/635897653432336384 https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635899338569478144 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635900555261550592 | Aug 25 01:50 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@huehuehuio: @masamikuramoto Mickey/Mary/Rory is not payed to look at reality #MH17 @MJoyce2244 @loondale @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:50 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @loondale It's the difference between science and dogma. #MH17 @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:50 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @masamikuramoto that's hilarious coming from a lying flip flopper. @loondale @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:50 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @MJoyce2244 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz Strange how the #MH17 hard evidence has not changed a bit. Such a nonsense claim. | Aug 25 01:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635901782816870400 https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/635902407218724864 https://twitter.com/loondale/status/635902991321694208 | Aug 25 01:51 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @MJoyce2244 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz Then lies about lying. Nice of 'Bro to post them up, eh? #MH17 | Aug 25 01:51 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @loondale Putinism is a fascinating study of depravity. @masamikuramoto @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:51 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@loondale: @MJoyce2244 @masamikuramoto @roarbro @CT4444 @schestowitz Constant state of denial. Well, won't they be surprised. JIT has tons of evidence. | Aug 25 01:51 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/huehuehuio/status/635955616763224064 https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/635961946639081472 | Aug 25 01:53 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@huehuehuio: @masamikuramoto Westerbake knows - he looks like he enjoys sitting on a Buk missile. @loondale @MJoyce2244 @roarbro @schestowitz | Aug 25 01:53 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jurasick: @schestowitz my opinion: some work-related apps, including stuff like GotoMeeting are not available, MS Office not fully supported in Libre | Aug 25 01:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/GoToMeeting/status/635964154709442560 https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/635968136135766016 | Aug 25 01:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@GoToMeeting: @jurasick @schestowitz Our Web App runs in Chrome on Linux, we're working to add hosting meeting also http://t.co/3w0Ki4zVfV ^GD | Aug 25 01:54 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> support.citrixonline.com | GoToMeeting Web App - GoToMeeting | Aug 25 01:54 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jurasick: @GoToMeeting @schestowitz looking forward, I host very often. Right now I start a meeting on my iPhone & pass controls to Linux user. | Aug 25 01:54 | |
| *schestowitz has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!) | Aug 25 03:56 | |
| *schestowitz (~roy@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell | Aug 25 03:56 | |
| *ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz | Aug 25 03:56 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6505927 | Aug 25 04:00 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Tweaking the Linux desktop http://manilastandardtoday.com/mobile/2015/08/24/tweaking-the-linux-desktop "NO operating system is perfect and Linux is no exception." #gnu #linux | Aug 25 04:00 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> manilastandardtoday.com | The Standard | Latest News in the Philippines [ http://ur1.ca/njngl ] | Aug 25 04:00 | |
| schestowitz | "If GNU/Linux isn’t perfect, you can write something to make it perfect." | Aug 25 04:00 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6503218 | Aug 25 04:00 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #twitter - like #facebook - is increasingly a platform of #censorship and #surveillance - need to reduce people's dependence on both | Aug 25 04:00 | |
| schestowitz | "My friend just picked up this one when we were on the line… The system didn’t accepted latin letters. Where are you living now?" | Aug 25 04:00 |
| schestowitz | UK | Aug 25 04:00 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6506042 | Aug 25 04:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Nothing to do with #android (people choose weak patterns) and requires physical access anyway http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/android-lock-patterns-are-highly-predictable-could-give-people-access-to-phones-10469314.html | Aug 25 04:02 | |
| schestowitz | "pattern? how about a pin! lol" | Aug 25 04:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.independent.co.uk | Android lock patterns are highly predictable, could give people access to phones - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/njnhf ] | Aug 25 04:02 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6503264 | Aug 25 04:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Highway to hack: why we’re just at the beginning of the auto-hacking era http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/08/highway-to-hack-why-were-just-at-the-beginning-of-the-auto-hacking-era/ they say they want to stop 'criminals' | Aug 25 04:02 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> arstechnica.com | Highway to hack: Why we’re just at the beginning of the auto-hacking era | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/njnhk ] | Aug 25 04:02 | |
| schestowitz | "The more I see things like this, the more I want to have again a classic Mustang." | Aug 25 04:02 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6503243 | Aug 25 04:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Being into 'apps', 'smart' phones, 'cloud' 'IoT', 'dev' 'ops', 'containers', 'big data' etc. doesn't make you look smart, just brainwashed | Aug 25 04:03 | |
| schestowitz | "(un?-)fortunately, most employers and agents don’t know the difference" | Aug 25 04:03 |
| schestowitz | "I don’t know what half those things are." | Aug 25 04:03 |
| schestowitz | ":)" | Aug 25 04:03 |
| schestowitz | https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/comp.os.linux.advocacy/schestowitz|sort:date/comp.os.linux.advocacy/k0g6v6WGaZo/wNpI3iLf1xYJ | Aug 25 04:12 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-groups.google.com | Google Groups [ http://ur1.ca/njnl1 ] | Aug 25 04:12 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, you confused the concepts... and included your standard insults and | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | seeding of Google to try to get me to NOT call you out on your ignorance. | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | You are so insecure and so fearful of speaking of Linux you do that in many | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | of your posts. | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | It is a common bit of confusion from Linux "advocates". Roy Schestowitz even | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | did it on his show: <https://youtu.be/vz2PETf9Vlk?t=19m50s>. | Aug 25 04:12 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.youtube.com | TechBytes56 - YouTube | Aug 25 04:12 | |
| schestowitz | >> Without context, nobody can even | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | >> tell what he or you are talking about. | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | > Feel free to provide the "context" you think will support this idiotic lie | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | > from Snit Michael Glasser. You will look every bit as idiotic as you really | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | > are | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | In other words: you had no idea what the context of the quote was or the | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | fact I was in response to a specific example of you doing as I said. | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | by known trolls | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | the classic ones | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | Dr. Roy Schestowitz (Suckstwodickz) lying about the success of Windows | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | 10 and about having contacts within Microsoft. The guy has no shame. He | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | is by far the most ridiculous loser the web has to offer, and I'm | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | including this guy <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm_n3hg-Gbg> | Aug 25 04:12 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.youtube.com | Teenage Dream (Keenan Cahill) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/njnla ] | Aug 25 04:12 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:12 |
| schestowitz | LOL: | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, you confused the concepts... and included your standard insults and | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | seeding of Google to try to get me to NOT call you out on your ignorance. | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | You are so insecure and so fearful of speaking of Linux you do that in many | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | of your posts. | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | It is a common bit of confusion from Linux "advocates". Roy Schestowitz even | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | did it on his show: <https://youtu.be/vz2PETf9Vlk?t=19m50s>. | Aug 25 04:13 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.youtube.com | TechBytes56 - YouTube | Aug 25 04:13 | |
| schestowitz | >> Without context, nobody can even | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | >> tell what he or you are talking about. | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | > Feel free to provide the "context" you think will support this idiotic lie | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | > from Snit Michael Glasser. You will look every bit as idiotic as you really | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | > are | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | In other words: you had no idea what the context of the quote was or the | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | fact I was in response to a specific example of you doing as I said. | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, you confused the concepts... and included your standard insults and | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | seeding of Google to try to get me to NOT call you out on your ignorance. | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | You are so insecure and so fearful of speaking of Linux you do that in many | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | of your posts. | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | It is a common bit of confusion from Linux "advocates". Roy Schestowitz even | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | did it on his show: <https://youtu.be/vz2PETf9Vlk?t=19m50s>. | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | >> Without context, nobody can even | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | >> tell what he or you are talking about. | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 25 04:13 |
| schestowitz | > Feel free to provide the "context" you think will support this idiotic lie | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | > from Snit Michael Glasser. You will look every bit as idiotic as you really | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | > are | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | In other words: you had no idea what the context of the quote was or the | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | fact I was in response to a specific example of you doing as I said. | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | That is bullshit. "Doctor" Schestowitz is constantly monitoring this | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | newsgroup even if he doesn't post to it using his real name. Every | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | dialogue I've had with him on Diaspora confirms that he is here and that | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | he is reading every one of the items posted to it. He simply doesn't add | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | (though I'm becoming convinced that 7 is him) because he knows that | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | smart people will ridicule him over his blatant lies. | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | The idiocy here is that "Doctor" Schestowitz has called every version of | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | Windows _since_ Vista Vista. Vista 7, Vista 8, Vista 10... and so on. | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | The guy can't get over the fact that Microsoft produces superior | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | operating systems to Linux so he holds onto the one confirmed public | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | failure (which is still better than Linux). | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | Roy Schestowitz cannot accept the fact he knows little about Linux. Heck, I | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | documented some of his errors in my conversation with him: | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | <https://youtu.be/vz2PETf9Vlk> | Aug 25 04:14 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.youtube.com | TechBytes56 - YouTube | Aug 25 04:14 | |
| schestowitz | And a page with text, linked to each part of the conversation: | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/TechBytes56/techbytes56.html | Aug 25 04:14 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-tmp.gallopinginsanity.com | Untitled Document [ http://ur1.ca/njnm1 ] | Aug 25 04:14 | |
| schestowitz | Gee, for some reason he took back his invitation for a second discussion | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | with him. :) | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | A minor detail like the fact Roy Schestowitz cannot even get the name of the | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | product he is talking about right. LOL! | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, that is such a minor detail. | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | I bet you also think he also only got "minor details" wrong in my discussion | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | with him: <https://youtu.be/vz2PETf9Vlk>. | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | I mean, really, he claims to be a huge advocate for Linux but he does not | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | even know it well. | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:14 |
| schestowitz | only a person with an IQ of 10 would think Vista 10 is a typo rather than by intention | Aug 25 04:16 |
| schestowitz | HA! | Aug 25 04:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:16 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2015/08/10/windows-becomes-worse-malware/ | Aug 25 04:16 |
| schestowitz | "Several authors (Linux-centric people on the Web) told me that they | Aug 25 04:16 |
| schestowitz | get abused for criticising Vista 10 and I too received many personal | Aug 25 04:16 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Microsoft is Turning All of Windows (Not Just Vista 10) Into Malware, Turning Networks Into Botnets, Harvesting Sensitive Data Everywhere | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nfryz ] | Aug 25 04:16 | |
| schestowitz | insults, none of which address anything that I wrote but instead are an | Aug 25 04:16 |
| schestowitz | attack on character. These come from people whom I never heard from or | Aug 25 04:16 |
| schestowitz | heard about. Remember that Microsoft recently got caught paying for | Aug 25 04:16 |
| schestowitz | abusive AstroTurfing of this kind (planting comments). Showing the | Aug 25 04:16 |
| schestowitz | ?smoking guns? is hard unless whistleblowers come out (as some recently | Aug 25 04:16 |
| schestowitz | did, acknowledging that Microsoft pays them to game Reddit)." | Aug 25 04:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:16 |
| schestowitz | https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/comp.os.linux.advocacy/schestowitz|sort:date/comp.os.linux.advocacy/h-hReFKn-Hc/67Mawuwg0wsJ | Aug 25 04:16 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-groups.google.com | Google Groups [ http://ur1.ca/njnms ] | Aug 25 04:16 | |
| schestowitz | the typical troll has a new nym now, AM | Aug 25 04:17 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:17 |
| schestowitz | The moment he used the term "Vista 10" is the moment he threw out | Aug 25 04:17 |
| schestowitz | whatever was left of his credibility as well as the motivation any one | Aug 25 04:17 |
| schestowitz | of us would have to "address anything [he] wrote." He is clearly a liar | Aug 25 04:17 |
| schestowitz | and a propagandist and does not deserve to be treated with respect when | Aug 25 04:17 |
| schestowitz | he is wholly unable to be objective about the operating system he dislikes. | Aug 25 04:17 |
| schestowitz | Look at this beautiful paragraph for instance: "Here in Techrights, | Aug 25 04:17 |
| schestowitz | having accumulated data over the past 8 days, only 0.7% of visitors used | Aug 25 04:17 |
| schestowitz | Vista 10 (we checked the back end, which strictly retains logs for no | Aug 25 04:17 |
| schestowitz | longer than 4 weeks) and some other Web-wide surveys put it at around | Aug 25 04:17 |
| schestowitz | 3%, contradicting popular lies about adoption rates of this seemingly | Aug 25 04:17 |
| schestowitz | gratis ‘upgrade’." Why on Earth would people who use Windows in general | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | have an interest in visiting a Linux propagandist's site, especially | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | when it is as repulsive as his is? His data is completely worthless. If | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | he had data from say CNN.com or Google.com then it could be taken more | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | seriously as though as high-traffic sites which appeal to everyone. | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | In the paragraph you quoted, he has two links to evidence for Microsoft | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | recently getting caught | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | <http://techrights.org/2013/06/09/reddit-infiltrated/> and astro-turfing | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | <http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/AstroTurfing> which are both links | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | to other articles on his web site, as worthless as the original one. If | Aug 25 04:18 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Microsoft Crime Persists: AstroTurfing a Regular Practice, Reddit Full of Paid Microsoft AstroTurfers | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/e99i2 ] | Aug 25 04:18 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | AstroTurfing - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/3awqc ] | Aug 25 04:18 | |
| schestowitz | you visit that "evidence," they too have links to other TechRights | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | articles. It's like lying about something and referring to another one | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | of your own lies as proof that your lie is the truth. | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | In this paragraph, "I have been a victim of systematic down-voting, | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | demonisation, identity theft etc. in Digg and elsewhere. Now we know for | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | a fact that Microsoft hires people to do such things," Schestowitz is | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | blaming Microsoft for demonization and identity theft without providing | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | any evidence whatsoever that Microsoft was responsible. In court, he | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | would be found guilty of libel. In fact, if any one of us wanted him to | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | get in trouble, we can refer that article over to the company and | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | bankrupt him. He's lucky that we all find him more comical than anything | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | else. | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | To say the least, he is not going to get a "serious debate" with any one | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | of us because he is not a serious debater. He is a liar and a | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | propagandist and I, for one, consider him to be a gigantic waste of time | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | who lives in a world of his own creation rather than reality. His site | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | might remain on the Internet forever, but nobody will ever visit it in | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | respectable numbers so it will die out like every other mediocre web | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | site ever erected. This is the last time I will post about TechRights. | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | Any future post from Dr. Schestowitz under your name (hi Roy) will be | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | ignored. | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Windows has always been Malware | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | - hide quoted text - | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 10:48:12 AM UTC-4, Drew P. Bawls wrote: | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | > http://techrights.org/2015/08/10/windows-becomes-worse-malware/ | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | > "Several authors (Linux-centric people on the Web) told me that they | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | > get abused for criticising Vista 10 and I too received many personal | Aug 25 04:18 |
| schestowitz | > insults, none of which address anything that I wrote but instead are an | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | > attack on character. These come from people whom I never heard from or | Aug 25 04:19 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Microsoft is Turning All of Windows (Not Just Vista 10) Into Malware, Turning Networks Into Botnets, Harvesting Sensitive Data Everywhere | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nfryz ] | Aug 25 04:19 | |
| schestowitz | > heard about. Remember that Microsoft recently got caught paying for | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | > abusive AstroTurfing of this kind (planting comments). Showing the | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | > ?smoking guns? is hard unless whistleblowers come out (as some recently | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | > did, acknowledging that Microsoft pays them to game Reddit)." | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | Re: How to install Kali Linux on Android 2015 | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Windows has always been Malware | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | And why have the herd not whined that he collects info when you go to his | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | site. OH NO! His site is just there to harvest IPs. | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | Seriously, COLA "advocates" are not rational... and their refusal to call | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | out their own the way they attack others is absurd. | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | - show quoted text - | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | He *did* have a debate / discussion with me... and was wrong about Linux far | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | more often than I was. He then rescinded his offer to talk to me again. | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | "Wrong Jack! The software you don't pay for is a malware, at least so the Govt and big software companies think ... " | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | WRONG: Microsoft Windows has always been Mal-ware. | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | Just thought that this tard might want to know. :) | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:19 |
| schestowitz | new thing they make up is that I'm still posting | Aug 25 04:20 |
| schestowitz | "Hi "Doctor" Schestowitz. " | Aug 25 04:20 |
| schestowitz | https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/comp.os.linux.advocacy/schestowitz|sort:date/comp.os.linux.advocacy/HS5_qHIFsfc/jBRMGVvz4OsJ | Aug 25 04:20 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-groups.google.com | Google Groups [ http://ur1.ca/njnoe ] | Aug 25 04:20 | |
| schestowitz | lumping me together with RMS | Aug 25 04:21 |
| schestowitz | I guess more of a compliment than an insult | Aug 25 04:21 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:22 |
| schestowitz | Some people will claim that Linux has people with PhDs using it, but | Aug 25 04:22 |
| schestowitz | those PhDs are Roy Schestowitz and Wretched Stallman. One only received | Aug 25 04:22 |
| schestowitz | honorary degrees and the other one found his at the bottom of a cereal | Aug 25 04:22 |
| schestowitz | box. In reality, people with such high educations use things that "just | Aug 25 04:22 |
| schestowitz | work" and that happens to be OS X. | Aug 25 04:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:22 |
| schestowitz | RMS had honorary | Aug 25 04:22 |
| schestowitz | mine is real and from a good university | Aug 25 04:22 |
| schestowitz | seems like the troll keeps libelling me there | Aug 25 04:23 |
| schestowitz | same person all the time | Aug 25 04:23 |
| schestowitz | truly obsessed, even though I haven't posted there in like a half a decade | Aug 25 04:23 |
| MinceR | i wonder who are the people who use those gnu/linux supercomputers... :> | Aug 25 04:23 |
| schestowitz | sometone reproduced an entire article here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/comp.os.linux.advocacy/schestowitz|sort:date/comp.os.linux.advocacy/pfBaCo73WLQ/5g4t7pzAUxIJ | Aug 25 04:24 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-groups.google.com | Google Groups [ http://ur1.ca/njnpq ] | Aug 25 04:24 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yeah, but desktops too appeal to some people | Aug 25 04:24 |
| schestowitz | Rianne uses GNU/Linux onlu | Aug 25 04:24 |
| schestowitz | and she copes OK, she has a CS degreee | Aug 25 04:24 |
| schestowitz | see the shallow response | Aug 25 04:25 |
| schestowitz | ""Doctor Crackpot" Schestowitz back to lying again. " | Aug 25 04:25 |
| schestowitz | Lying | Aug 25 04:25 |
| schestowitz | crackpot | Aug 25 04:25 |
| schestowitz | pretending I have no PHD | Aug 25 04:25 |
| schestowitz | Great response there, I'm 'pwned' | Aug 25 04:25 |
| schestowitz | I think it's "flatfish" | Aug 25 04:25 |
| schestowitz | changed name to AM | Aug 25 04:25 |
| schestowitz | Really nasty piece of work | Aug 25 04:25 |
| schestowitz | libel machine | Aug 25 04:25 |
| schestowitz | same one who pretend I'm transgendered and posted using my name to 'prove' it | Aug 25 04:26 |
| schestowitz | "More idiocy and hearsay. " | Aug 25 04:26 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Aug 25 04:26 |
| schestowitz | I got 'nuked | Aug 25 04:26 |
| schestowitz | "More idiocy and hearsay. " | Aug 25 04:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:26 |
| schestowitz | Can disable counterfeit software and fake hardware which might damage a | Aug 25 04:26 |
| schestowitz | PC or offend a pirate who is using software illegally? The horror! | Aug 25 04:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:26 |
| schestowitz | BS | Aug 25 04:26 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's claims | Aug 25 04:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:26 |
| schestowitz | Ryan who? The name is as made-up as Brock McNuggets. "Doctor Crackpot" | Aug 25 04:26 |
| schestowitz | doesn't have any friends so this is very hard to believe. | Aug 25 04:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:26 |
| schestowitz | "Doctor Crackpot" | Aug 25 04:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:27 |
| schestowitz | You mean like Linux? WHY WOULD MICROSOFT ISSUE BUG FIXES AND REPLACE A | Aug 25 04:27 |
| schestowitz | FAULTY PATCH? Is this imbecile serious? | Aug 25 04:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:27 |
| schestowitz | They "ripped off" an idea Linux ripped off from UNIX from an operating | Aug 25 04:27 |
| schestowitz | system which prides itself in having a license that allows for the free | Aug 25 04:27 |
| schestowitz | sharing of ideas and code? My God, what monsters! Apparently "Doctor | Aug 25 04:27 |
| schestowitz | Crackpot" is wholly unaware of what he is complaining about. | Aug 25 04:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:27 |
| schestowitz | "Worthless hypothesis from an imbecile and a fraudulent "doctor." " | Aug 25 04:27 |
| schestowitz | " fraudulent "doctor." | Aug 25 04:27 |
| schestowitz | oh, how much hate from SM troll | Aug 25 04:27 |
| schestowitz | MS | Aug 25 04:27 |
| schestowitz | I guess it means I hit them where it hurts then.. | Aug 25 04:27 |
| schestowitz | "Disgusting lie from the imbecile. " | Aug 25 04:28 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I think it might NOT be flatfish | Aug 25 04:28 |
| schestowitz | but the other troll, who also uses many nyms | Aug 25 04:28 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:28 |
| schestowitz | Real doctors and people with jobs who neither have the time nor the | Aug 25 04:28 |
| schestowitz | patience to put up with Linux's instability and faulty features. | Aug 25 04:28 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:28 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:28 |
| schestowitz | It can respect freedoms all that it wants but until it provides users | Aug 25 04:28 |
| schestowitz | with a decent operating system, it will continue to be ignored by 99% of | Aug 25 04:28 |
| schestowitz | the world's computer users. | Aug 25 04:28 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:28 |
| schestowitz | Funny that | Aug 25 04:28 |
| schestowitz | last I checked, Vista 10 is widely rejected | Aug 25 04:28 |
| schestowitz | 5% at best | Aug 25 04:29 |
| schestowitz | "Hillary for Prison 2016!! " | Aug 25 04:29 |
| schestowitz | The only things we agree on | Aug 25 04:29 |
| schestowitz | https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/comp.os.linux.advocacy/schestowitz|sort:date/comp.os.linux.advocacy/qC-JLBIm7JY/wzhdDk4LIVQJ | Aug 25 04:30 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-groups.google.com | Google Groups [ http://ur1.ca/njnse ] | Aug 25 04:30 | |
| schestowitz | slashdot fed this? | Aug 25 04:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:30 |
| schestowitz | It's already established that Microsoft has it's stooges in bed with | Aug 25 04:30 |
| schestowitz | the culling committee. The only question that should be asked is how | Aug 25 04:30 |
| schestowitz | much did Microsoft bribe them with? | Aug 25 04:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:31 |
| schestowitz | What's worse is that the message Drew sent made it clear that he is Roy | Aug 25 04:31 |
| schestowitz | Schestowitz himself, the "doctor." | Aug 25 04:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:31 |
| schestowitz | Ah, flatfish is "tommy troll" | Aug 25 04:31 |
| schestowitz | Based on this post | Aug 25 04:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:31 |
| schestowitz | Things must be quiet over in lunatic central for him to post his | Aug 25 04:31 |
| schestowitz | click bait here. I suppose donations have dried up as people realize | Aug 25 04:31 |
| schestowitz | him for the cracked pot he is. | Aug 25 04:31 |
| schestowitz | A Google of Schestowitz + bawls doesn't get many hits however a | Aug 25 04:31 |
| schestowitz | Google of Schestowitz + balls gets a lot of super fucked up hits. | Aug 25 04:31 |
| schestowitz | Look for yourself. | Aug 25 04:31 |
| schestowitz | https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=schestowitz+balls | Aug 25 04:32 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.google.com | Google [ http://ur1.ca/njnsx ] | Aug 25 04:32 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:32 |
| schestowitz | Linking to his own libel, which he created | Aug 25 04:32 |
| schestowitz | claiming I removed my balls for linux | Aug 25 04:32 |
| schestowitz | so now I know which troll uses which name | Aug 25 04:32 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:33 |
| schestowitz | Things must be quiet over in lunatic central for him to post his | Aug 25 04:33 |
| schestowitz | click bait here. I suppose donations have dried up as people realize | Aug 25 04:33 |
| schestowitz | him for the cracked pot he is. | Aug 25 04:33 |
| schestowitz | A Google of Schestowitz + bawls doesn't get many hits however a | Aug 25 04:33 |
| schestowitz | Google of Schestowitz + balls gets a lot of super fucked up hits. | Aug 25 04:33 |
| schestowitz | Look for yourself. | Aug 25 04:33 |
| schestowitz | https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=schestowitz+balls | Aug 25 04:33 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 04:33 |
| schestowitz | "You're an imbecile, "Doctor" Roy Schestowitz. " | Aug 25 04:33 |
| schestowitz | They pretend I use nyms | Aug 25 04:33 |
| schestowitz | totally false, never have | Aug 25 04:33 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507022 | Aug 25 11:53 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: By trying to warp #MH17 story in some of the most ridiculous of ways, #kremlin ensures that nobody will ever trust any of its words again | Aug 25 11:53 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 11:53 |
| schestowitz | I actually don’t get into that question. Neither of them seems to accept that their sovereignty ends at their own borders. Neither seems to accept that their right to swing their fist ends where the other guy’s face begins. Each assumes that their own interests outweigh those of the countries they romp on. | Aug 25 11:53 |
| schestowitz | I absolutely do not buy Russia’s complaint that it is being encircled by NATO. Those countries acceded to NATO in large part because they’re afraid of Russia. So the way for Russia to avoid being encircled was not to frighten its neighbors. But then it wouldn’t be a superpower, now would it? | Aug 25 11:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 25 11:53 |
| schestowitz | Fair point, but Russia never extended as far as NATO | Aug 25 11:53 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/636250188437417984 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/636250545972477952 https://twitter.com/masamikuramoto/status/636250732375744512 | Aug 25 19:58 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @KimmoKannala And they saw it wiggling, and a rocket stage detaching, lol. #MH17 @CT4444 @MikaPeltokorpi @loondale @schestowitz | Aug 25 19:58 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @KimmoKannala Ever wondered why the Snizhne plume didn't wiggle but went straight up? #MH17 @CT4444 @MikaPeltokorpi @loondale @schestowitz | Aug 25 19:58 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@masamikuramoto: @KimmoKannala And what kind of missile is that with the detaching stage? #MH17 @CT4444 @MikaPeltokorpi @loondale @schestowitz | Aug 25 19:58 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/636252473674596352 https://twitter.com/MikaPeltokorpi/status/636252784430587905 | Aug 25 20:11 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MJoyce2244: @masamikuramoto "they"? Caught you in another lie, dumbass. #MH17 @KimmoKannala @CT4444 @MikaPeltokorpi @loondale @schestowitz | Aug 25 20:11 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MikaPeltokorpi: @CT4444 @masamikuramoto @loondale @schestowitz Sounds like fighter jet... | Aug 25 20:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/636254090503299072 | Aug 25 20:11 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Corporate media focuses on corporate achievements it understands, not technical feats they can't fathom. | Aug 25 20:11 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/636274225410666496 | Aug 25 21:32 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz Looks like PC World are pushing winduhs 10 in TV adverts tonight... | Aug 25 21:32 | |
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| schestowitz | > ot | Aug 26 10:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 26 10:00 |
| schestowitz | > http://svenska.yle.fi/artikel/2015/08/25/teds-valdigt-specifika-overgangsstallen | Aug 26 10:00 |
| schestowitz | Can't read this and it seems far OT | Aug 26 10:00 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-svenska.yle.fi | Teds väldigt specifika övergångsställen | X3M | svenska.yle.fi [ http://ur1.ca/nk5sq ] | Aug 26 10:00 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/DOWDIVISOR30/status/636456188541054976?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email | Aug 26 10:06 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@DOWDIVISOR30: @schestowitz Interesting? Stock Market Boom And Crash: Cause And Effect http://t.co/HL3Mlue9lr | Aug 26 10:06 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.valuewalk.com | Stock Market Boom And Crash: Cause And Effect | Aug 26 10:06 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6506991 | Aug 26 10:08 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #china (and #india too) market continued its decline at the very start/open (panic continues) http://money.cnn.com/data/world_markets/asia/ | Aug 26 10:08 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> money.cnn.com | Asian Stock Markets - CNNMoney [ http://ur1.ca/njmri ] | Aug 26 10:08 | |
| schestowitz | "Glad I divested off all the funds I was holding six months ago." | Aug 26 10:08 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507022 | Aug 26 10:09 |
| schestowitz | "That’s only true if you neglect that Russia itself is an empire including a vast territory, stretching as it does, from Europe all the way to the Bering Strait." | Aug 26 10:09 |
| schestowitz | Historically, yes | Aug 26 10:09 |
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| schestowitz | >>> >> ot | Aug 26 12:22 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Aug 26 12:22 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> http://svenska.yle.fi/artikel/2015/08/25/teds-valdigt-specifika-overgangsstallen | Aug 26 12:22 |
| schestowitz | >> > Can't read this and it seems far OT | Aug 26 12:22 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Aug 26 12:22 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Aug 26 12:22 |
| schestowitz | > Yes, it is OT. The pictures were the main part of the article. | Aug 26 12:22 |
| schestowitz | @myhermes #paypal had a glitch, took double payment. Pls check Transaction ID 7SP97894WW029860U 26376594V7475293W 9SR177655F358043D fix ASAP | Aug 26 12:30 |
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| *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz at Fri May 7 00:19:56 2010 | Aug 26 18:18 | |
| -ChanServ-[#boycottnovell] Welcome to the #boycottnovell channel | Aug 26 18:18 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6510839 | Aug 26 18:52 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Ttoo drunk to fly' after downing hundred-pound bottle of cognac airport security officials attempted to confiscate http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/woman-too-drunk-to-fly-after-downing-hundredpound-bottle-of-cognac-airport-security-officials-attempted-to-confiscate-10470417.html | Aug 26 18:52 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.independent.co.uk | Woman 'too drunk to fly' after downing hundred-pound bottle of cognac airport security officials attempted to confiscate - UK - News - The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/nkb3n ] | Aug 26 18:52 | |
| schestowitz | "♥ good for her - hope she felt ok afterwards :)" | Aug 26 18:52 |
| schestowitz | She forgot to board the plane, they might tell her later.... | Aug 26 18:53 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507167 | Aug 26 18:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The usual #microsoft propagandists at #torygraph whitewashing a criminal http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/microsoft/windows/11817065/Twenty-years-ago-Microsoft-launched-Windows-95-changing-the-world.html recall the recent http://techrights.org/2015/05/03/burning-netscape/ | Aug 26 18:54 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.telegraph.co.uk | Windows 95 at 20: how Bill Gates' software changed the world - Telegraph [ http://ur1.ca/nkb4n ] | Aug 26 18:54 | |
| schestowitz | "Windows 95 and 98 changed me, made me go Linux." | Aug 26 18:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Microsoft Kills Netscape Again, This Time Removing It From the History Books | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/njsa4 ] | Aug 26 18:54 | |
| schestowitz | "@cronos ha! you just reminded me. I must get myself an old pc to see if my win3.1 diskettes still work - or at least a diskette reader. :D" | Aug 26 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Win98 the last I used (was used by) | Aug 26 18:55 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6512749 | Aug 26 18:59 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Today's #FSCS news, in simple terms, means that #uk banks are less liable. Can just tell customer who deposited money, "sorry, gone". | Aug 26 18:59 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DT7bX-B1Mg | Aug 26 18:59 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.youtube.com | And it's gone (original) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nkb6l ] | Aug 26 18:59 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507180 | Aug 26 19:04 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Not many people recall (or even know) that #obama site promising lots of things at elections got edited over time to delete/change promises | Aug 26 19:04 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 26 19:04 |
| schestowitz | It was his comments on late-term abortion in 2008 that did him in as far as I was concerned: | Aug 26 19:04 |
| schestowitz | https://disunitedstates.org/?p=1916 | Aug 26 19:04 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://disunitedstates.org/?p=1916 ) | Aug 26 19:04 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 26 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Interesting. Either way, it looks like the next Pres. will be even worse (and I consider Obama worse than Bush) | Aug 26 19:06 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507236 | Aug 26 19:06 |
| schestowitz | "Netscape Navigator was an all-time favourite that will never be forgotten." | Aug 26 19:06 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@harryhaller@nerdpol.ch: #Microsoft Kills #Netscape Again, This Time Removing It From the #History Books | #Techrights - http://techrights.org/2015/05/03/burning-netscape/ | #gates thought #internet irrelevant | via @{Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) ; schestowitz@joindiaspora.com} | Aug 26 19:06 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 26 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Just a 2 days ago I watched the microsoft story documentation. | Aug 26 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Quite interesting. | Aug 26 19:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 26 19:07 |
| schestowitz | The history as it's told today is a lie. They've changed history after Netscape was dead and couldn't tell its story. BTW, I was employed by them for 2 years. | Aug 26 19:07 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6509420 | Aug 26 19:12 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Message to #LinuxCon Regarding #Microsoft http://techrights.org/2015/08/25/microsoft-at-linuxcon/ #linux #entryism @linuxfoundation | Aug 26 19:12 | |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft will get a warm welcome at free software conferences if and when they gpl their own software." | Aug 26 19:12 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Message to LinuxCon Regarding Microsoft: “It is Necessary to Get Behind Someone in Order to Stab Them in the Back.” -Sir Humphrey Appleby | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nkbd0 ] | Aug 26 19:12 | |
| schestowitz | "don’t have confidence in linux foundation - prefer eff/gnu" | Aug 26 19:13 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6510474 | Aug 26 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Maybe you mean FSF, not GNU | Aug 26 19:13 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #LinuxFoundation starts security vetting program for FOSS http://www.itnews.com.au/News/408402,linux-foundation-starts-security-vetting-program-for-foss.aspx #linux #security | Aug 26 19:13 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.itnews.com.au | Linux Foundation starts security vetting program for FOSS - Security - Software - News - iTnews.com.au [ http://ur1.ca/nkbdj ] | Aug 26 19:13 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6513413 | Aug 26 23:25 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: National Association Of #Hispanic Journalists Condemns #DonaldTrump For Ejecting Univision's Jorge Ramos http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/08/26/national-association-of-hispanic-journalists-co/205173 | Aug 26 23:25 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> mediamatters.org | National Association Of Hispanic Journalists Condemns Donald Trump For Ejecting Univision's Jorge Ramos | Blog | Media Matters for America [ http://ur1.ca/nkelg ] | Aug 26 23:25 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 26 23:25 |
| schestowitz | “Ramos was later permitted to return to the conference to question Trump.” | Aug 26 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Never mind, Hispanics forget quickly and go back again and again. | Aug 26 23:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 26 23:25 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/636661521259499520 | Aug 26 23:31 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@BrendanEich: @ch_s Good piece, "not wrong" but getting OS scaled to non-abusive revenue opp'ty looks very hard. FYI 1000+ Moz heads in 2014. @schestowitz | Aug 26 23:31 | |
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| schestowitz | "This entire site reads like propaganda.' | Aug 27 00:07 |
| schestowitz | nothing about the article | Aug 27 00:08 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/636677296573714433 https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/636677396435898369 | Aug 27 00:12 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz Why wd apology be adequate or appropriate? His convictions changed? It's not the ACT,it's the attitude! That's why he had 2quit | Aug 27 00:12 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz It's not even a debate. Is he a bigot or not? Acts say yes. | Aug 27 00:12 | |
| schestowitz | No, he said he had changed his position | Aug 27 00:12 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507180 | Aug 27 00:22 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Not many people recall (or even know) that #obama site promising lots of things at elections got edited over time to delete/change promises | Aug 27 00:22 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 27 00:22 |
| schestowitz | I actually hold out a little hope that Bernie Sanders can get elected. It’s only an outside chance, but it’s a chance. | Aug 27 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Basically, the way this works is that Sanders actually does say things that appeal to authoritarian populists (the “Tea Party” in its present incarnation). Right now, Donald Trump is stealing his thunder there, but the Republican Party establishment will find a way to deny him the nomination. | Aug 27 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton is self-destructing. And it’s too early–much too early–to say how Joe Biden’s potential entry into the race might affect this possibility. | Aug 27 00:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 27 00:22 |
| schestowitz | If Sander left "Democrats" (if he allowed to?) why won't his supporters shift their support to the other party/"independent"? | Aug 27 00:22 |
| schestowitz | *wouldn't | Aug 27 00:23 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6513650 | Aug 27 00:23 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Memories don’t last long. Thankfully, Vanwensveen wrote in length about Microsoft’s early crimes http://www.slated.org/antitrust/www.vanwensveen.nl/IhateMS.pdf #microsoft | Aug 27 00:23 | |
| schestowitz | "cp/m + myth ms wrote basic" | Aug 27 00:23 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Research | Aug 27 00:23 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Digital Research - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nkfcp ] | Aug 27 00:23 | |
| schestowitz | Kemenny in academia wrote BASIC AFAIK, Microsoft just popularised it more | Aug 27 00:24 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6513746 | Aug 27 00:24 |
| schestowitz | "No surprise there. Most part of the works on it is under done under NDA. We’ll judge after it finally gets released, see how it’ll be managed after that." | Aug 27 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Are NDAs and FOSS even compatible at all? | Aug 27 00:25 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: People close to #tizen tell me that Tizen is basically just a closely/tightly-controlled Samsung thing pretending to be 'community'. #linux | Aug 27 00:25 | |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: rare cases NDA are FOSS compadible but it extremely rare. Not all NDA are forever. For people getting access to non-released hardware being under NDA until public release of hardware to develop drivers is not a major problem. | Aug 27 00:55 |
| schestowitz | either way, why are they needed for tizen? | Aug 27 01:41 |
| schestowitz | I don't see the point unless if this relates to planned imminent products based on the source code | Aug 27 01:41 |
| schestowitz | with possible clues about their nature, e.g. embedded somewhere in the code, like clues about hardware components to be used | Aug 27 01:41 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507180 | Aug 27 01:51 |
| schestowitz | "Because American politics don’t work that way. most are either proud Democrats or proud Republicans and the system in place promotes a very wide division in the two. There are other parties but by and large no one takes them seriously." | Aug 27 01:51 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6513936 | Aug 27 01:51 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The Iran Nuclear Deal: Give Diplomacy a Chance http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_iran_nuclear_deal_give_diplomacy_a_chance_20150826 #war is for losers | Aug 27 01:51 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.truthdig.com | The Iran Nuclear Deal: Give Diplomacy a Chance - Truthdig [ http://ur1.ca/nkgkh ] | Aug 27 01:51 | |
| schestowitz | "Give diplomacy a chance?! Again ?! And with a country that wants to make other country disappear from the face of earth?" | Aug 27 01:51 |
| schestowitz | Exactly. US wants to wipe Iran. Why does Iran trust the US? ;-) | Aug 27 01:52 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3ii4ym/microsoft_at_linuxcon/ | Aug 27 01:53 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Couldn't resolve host 'www.reddit.com' ( status 0 @ https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3ii4ym/microsoft_at_linuxcon/ ) | Aug 27 01:53 | |
| schestowitz | "Not saying MS isn't guilty. but this site literally reads like something from a communist playbook. It's seething with negative language." | Aug 27 01:53 |
| schestowitz | So language is the issue? Too negative? It's Microsoft, am I supposed to be all joyful over it? | Aug 27 01:53 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507180 | Aug 27 02:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Not many people recall (or even know) that #obama site promising lots of things at elections got edited over time to delete/change promises | Aug 27 02:03 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 27 02:03 |
| schestowitz | I don’t know that they’re ‘proud’ Democrats or ‘proud’ Republicans and I certainly don’t agree that there is–in actuality–“a very wide division in the two.” All that said, and I realize it sounds like I’ve just contradicted everything he said, @alucardx@diasp.org has a point. | Aug 27 02:03 |
| schestowitz | The bias in the U.S. in favor of a bipartisan system is very strong. It’s even unclear how Congress would function if it had more than one minority party leadership to accommodate. And the polarization between the two parties is intense: Probably going all the way back to Jimmy Carter and certainly by the time of Bill Clinton, there is a certain segment of the right that refuses to accept the legitimacy of any Democratic president, let | Aug 27 02:03 |
| schestowitz | alone one who happens to be Black. | Aug 27 02:03 |
| schestowitz | Meanwhile, folks like me grew up thinking Richard Nixon was the epitome of evil. (But in hindsight, I’d take Nixon any day over any of his Republican successors, including Jerry Ford.) | Aug 27 02:03 |
| schestowitz | The main function of third party/independent candidacies is to split the vote. One reason Bernie Sanders is running for the Democratic nomination, despite a history of disdain for the Democratic Party, is that if he runs as an independent, the vote on the left side of a very far right middle would be split between him and the Democratic nominee. Similarly, if Donald Trump fails to gain the Republican nomination and runs as an independent, | Aug 27 02:04 |
| schestowitz | he will split the vote between himself and the Republican nominee. It is often claimed that to vote for a third party–like the Greens or Peace and Freedom–or an independent is effectively to vote for the candidate you like least. So there are intense disincentives to either running on a third party ticket or voting for one. | Aug 27 02:04 |
| schestowitz | This is only one of many reasons that I regard the U.S. electoral system as a sham and refuse to participate (I may reconsider if Sanders actually gets the Democratic nomination). But the other major point here is that, as Howard Zinn pointed out, the two-party system constrains the range of acceptable political discourse. You, in effect, end up with a reactionary party and a slightly less reactionary party, and this limits the pace of | Aug 27 02:04 |
| schestowitz | political change to something acceptable to the elite. | Aug 27 02:04 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 27 02:04 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6506042 | Aug 27 02:16 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Nothing to do with #android (people choose weak patterns) and requires physical access anyway http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/android-lock-patterns-are-highly-predictable-could-give-people-access-to-phones-10469314.html | Aug 27 02:16 | |
| schestowitz | "so you don’t use a smart phone?" | Aug 27 02:16 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.independent.co.uk | Android lock patterns are highly predictable, could give people access to phones - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/njnhf ] | Aug 27 02:16 | |
| schestowitz | No, the wife does sometimes | Aug 27 02:16 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/636776200749350912 | Aug 27 09:36 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz According to corporate media Coca-Cola is "more innovative" than Canonical or Red Hat. | Aug 27 09:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Nyssen11/status/636820643909120000 | Aug 27 09:41 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Nyssen11: @schestowitz India was not a Tizen Conference | Aug 27 09:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3ii4ym/microsoft_at_linuxcon/ | Aug 27 09:53 |
| schestowitz | "Not only that, it's also very poorly written, with bad structure and grammatical errors." | Aug 27 09:53 |
| schestowitz | Shooting the messenger | Aug 27 09:53 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/myhermes/status/636824046655664131 https://twitter.com/myhermes/status/636824047817523200 | Aug 27 09:57 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@myhermes: @schestowitz Hi, thanks for responding. It seems we only received the one payment therefore I kindly advise you to liaise with paypal to | Aug 27 09:57 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@myhermes: @schestowitz resolve your query. Kind regards, Greg. | Aug 27 09:57 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6513813 | Aug 27 10:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 5-day change for the main #china stocks index: -23%. Market opens in 2 hours. The Chinese billionaires flee their own market, I guess. | Aug 27 10:02 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 27 10:02 |
| schestowitz | Betting in stocks is a zero-sum game, someone has to lose for someone to win. Now who is more likely to be a winner, a billionary that makes a living in the stocks market or someone with zero financial knowledge looking for quick and miraculous gains? | Aug 27 10:02 |
| schestowitz | Someone has to be left holding the bag. | Aug 27 10:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 27 10:02 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6514059 | Aug 27 10:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: My ~13-year-old CRT is starting to show signs of inevitable death, with small explosions seen and heard while switching it on | Aug 27 10:02 | |
| schestowitz | "Do they use up more electricity that LED?" | Aug 27 10:02 |
| schestowitz | I think so | Aug 27 10:02 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6513751 | Aug 27 10:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This headline is a lie http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2015/08/munich-officials-who-dumped-windows-for-linux-want-microsofts-os-back/ it's not the same officials, there's no change of mind, just 2 dissenting voices | Aug 27 10:03 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 27 10:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.gizmodo.co.uk | Munich Officials Who Dumped Windows For Linux Want Microsoft's OS Back | Gizmodo UK [ http://ur1.ca/nkg9j ] | Aug 27 10:03 | |
| schestowitz | So are they going to switch away from GNU/Linux? | Aug 27 10:03 |
| schestowitz | The article explains the challenges but not a lot more. I also get sick of whiney IT people…“it’s too much hassle”. | Aug 27 10:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 27 10:03 |
| schestowitz | Sabine wants to chat on Skype with her family maybe... and play MS Solitaire | Aug 27 10:03 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Goofy_fr/status/636837793130545152 | Aug 27 10:52 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Goofy_fr: #Windows10 assure un max pour ne laisser aucun espace d'intimité aux enfants en transmettant tout aux parents https://t.co/7eUindxmVy | Aug 27 10:52 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #vista10 automatically sends parents detailed dossier of their children's internet history, computer use http://t.co/IxR1YW9ahr #spyware | Aug 27 10:52 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Morality124/status/636837912554770432 | Aug 27 10:52 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Morality124: @schestowitz Is there a mention of systemd and what timestamp? | Aug 27 10:52 | |
| schestowitz | mentioned therein | Aug 27 10:52 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RelativePast/status/636838496083255296 | Aug 27 10:53 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@RelativePast: Vision of shady characters pushing Linux laptops at school gates ... https://t.co/lF82pp5kiT | Aug 27 10:53 | |
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| -ChanServ-[#boycottnovell] Welcome to the #boycottnovell channel | Aug 27 15:09 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 27 15:15 |
| schestowitz | Yet another EPO colleague committed suicide last week. | Aug 27 15:15 |
| schestowitz | You will find attached the note that Ciaran McGinley published to all EPO staff this week. I have deleted the name of the dead colleague to respect the wishes of his family. | Aug 27 15:15 |
| schestowitz | The note of Ciaran McGinley looks poetic but it is highly hypocritical and cynical. The term suicide has been carefully omitted. The suicide rate has now become extremely worrying. This is the fifth suicide in 39 months during the mandate of Mr Battistelli. And it is the third one in the principal directorate of Mr McGinley since his appointment. Mr McGinley systematically refuses any independent investigation whether the workplace could | Aug 27 15:15 |
| schestowitz | have played a role in these tragedies. And his lyrical note would be sufficient to make his staff forget that they are told that they are overpaid and will soon be replaced by machines. Their professionnal pride has been completely destroyed. | Aug 27 15:15 |
| schestowitz | You may reuse the content of this email (with your own wording to better hide the source) and publish the attached note. If you could do it today, that would be great. | Aug 27 15:15 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 27 15:15 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/636904939890057216 | Aug 27 15:30 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz We need RMS as long as there are Nadellmers and Tim Jobses. | Aug 27 15:30 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/636920419002548224 | Aug 27 16:31 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Wikinaut: @schestowitz I think, I proposed this some time ago | Aug 27 16:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AskPayPal/status/636935053482655744 | Aug 27 17:18 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AskPayPal: @schestowitz Hi, sorry to hear about this. You usually contact the merchant if a duplicate payment is taken. Have you tried that? ^CMC | Aug 27 17:18 | |
| schestowitz | YES, I did, and after a lot of hassled and checks they directed me to you. Please don't play ping-pong with customers. | Aug 27 17:19 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AskPayPal/status/636936767787040768 | Aug 27 17:22 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AskPayPal: @schestowitz In that case, why don't you DM your PayPal email and the full details so we can troubleshoot this further? ^CMC | Aug 27 17:22 | |
| schestowitz | I have you the transaction IDs (three of them), you can deduce everything from these | Aug 27 17:23 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AskPayPal/status/636937526616326145 | Aug 27 17:26 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AskPayPal: @schestowitz It's best that we discuss your account in private though. Would you mind sending a DM? I'm only trying to help. ^CMC | Aug 27 17:26 | |
| schestowitz | account is roy at schestowitz dot com | Aug 27 17:27 |
| schestowitz | sorry, it is r at schestowitz dot com | Aug 27 17:27 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/636936159734665216 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/636935730141495297 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/636929230543192065 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/636926268039151616 | Aug 27 17:39 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: .@AskPayPal YES, I did, and after a lot of hassles and checks they directed me to you. Please don't play ping-pong with customers. | Aug 27 17:39 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Microsoft Loves Linux to Death and Still Tries to Kill GNU/Linux http://t.co/VY7tElU5eC #microsoft #gnu #linux #munich | Aug 27 17:39 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Microsoft Loves Linux to Death and Still Tries to Kill GNU/Linux | Techrights | Aug 27 17:40 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #Censorship , Self-Censorship and Intimidation Now the Modus Operandi at #EPO http://t.co/juz3IeuiVu more in http://t.co/CMIUWvePoB | Aug 27 17:40 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Censorship, Self-Censorship and Intimidation Now the Modus Operandi at EPO | Techrights | Aug 27 17:40 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | EPO - Techrights | Aug 27 17:40 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #Patent Practitioners: “The #UnitaryPatent Might be Able to Open the Floodgates for #SoftwarePatents in Europe” http://t.co/e5yUdaDiBk | Aug 27 17:40 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Patent Practitioners: “The Unitary Patent Might be Able to Open the Floodgates for Software Patents in Europe” | Techrights | Aug 27 17:40 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/skandhurkat/status/636944825238069248 | Aug 27 17:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@skandhurkat: I appreciate the sentiment https://t.co/Sg8zukn3iE | Aug 27 17:55 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #paypal a nightmare. Need more alternatives, also to be adopted by more businesses. | Aug 27 17:55 | |
| schestowitz | they want me to do their work for them after they messed up | Aug 27 17:55 |
| schestowitz | server glitch=double payment | Aug 27 17:55 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6515595 | Aug 27 18:46 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Overlooking #fsf at 30 because #gnu is apparently not as 'cool' as #linux http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/At-24-Linux-Has-Come-Out-of-the-Basement-82423.html | Aug 27 18:46 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.linuxinsider.com | At 24, Linux Has Come Out of the Basement | Software | LinuxInsider [ http://ur1.ca/nkotl ] | Aug 27 18:46 | |
| schestowitz | "https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6515595" | Aug 27 18:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 27 18:46 |
| schestowitz | I’ll offer a little commentary for ill informed onlookers of this post: | Aug 27 18:46 |
| schestowitz | This is one of the results of calling the OS “Linux” instead of “GNU/Linux”. Many people believe that Torvalds wrote the OS when in fact, he only (co)wrote the kernel which is called Linux. | Aug 27 18:46 |
| schestowitz | This also leads to confusion when talking about non-GNU systems that feature Linux as the kernel, such as Android. People hear that it is “Linux-based” and automatically think of GNU/Linux. Android/Linux is completely different than GNU/Linux. | Aug 27 18:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 27 18:46 |
| schestowitz | "" | Aug 27 18:46 |
| schestowitz | "@AlucardX +1" | Aug 27 18:46 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6515957 | Aug 27 18:47 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Sadly, to quite a lot of people RMS is a "nuisance" for starting the system which they use for free, Torvalds a celebrated hero. #gnu #linux | Aug 27 18:47 | |
| schestowitz | "That’s probably because RMS makes a weird impression. :/" | Aug 27 18:47 |
| schestowitz | "A bit of ignorance and some ingratitude." | Aug 27 18:47 |
| schestowitz | "He’s nit-picky and irascible. He reminds me of me. (RMS, that is.) RMS doesn’t like to bend his principles, at all." | Aug 27 18:47 |
| schestowitz | "I find RMS’s views to be consistent and progressive. It’s evident that he has thought carefully about the issues he speaks." | Aug 27 18:47 |
| schestowitz | "*of course, it’s just how I see what his mission is haha :P" | Aug 27 18:47 |
| schestowitz | "I agree with Khurram." | Aug 27 18:47 |
| schestowitz | "For sure, RMS is very coherent in his speepches and he accomplishes very well his mission: build a very well grounded philosophy about something bigger than just programming, but how society inserts it in its everyday life. To do so, he must be very coherent and kinda “fundamentalist”, and it bothers some people." | Aug 27 18:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 27 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Stallman weird and irascible? Look this one → | Aug 27 18:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFMMXRoSxnA | Aug 27 18:48 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.youtube.com | Richard Stallman: We're heading for a total disaster - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/gwi67 ] | Aug 27 18:48 | |
| schestowitz | I don’t know how he managed to stay calm and nice… That tv show man whatever is so annoyingly stupid… | Aug 27 18:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 27 18:48 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6515672 | Aug 27 18:49 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: What Is The Oldest Linux Installation CD You Have? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-news-59/what-is-the-oldest-linux-installation-cd-you-have-4175551843/ #gnu #linux discussion | Aug 27 18:49 | |
| schestowitz | "must be this S.u.S.E (sic!) Linux 5.1 from 1997, complete with a 450 pages manual" | Aug 27 18:49 |
| schestowitz | "What do you mean? ‘CD’?" | Aug 27 18:49 |
| schestowitz | "I used to have a RH 5 ISO until the last move two years ago." | Aug 27 18:49 |
| schestowitz | "In a drawer, I have the original installation CDs for Red Hat 8, the first distro I ever installed and used.' | Aug 27 18:49 |
| schestowitz | "Not RHEL, there was no such thing then. No Fedora, either. I also bought the big book. The CDs were in a pocket inside the back cover. Oldest surviving ISO is FC6 (Fedora Core 6). (Though I did download and install FC2 from ISOs. Lost that ISO somewhere along the way.)" | Aug 27 18:49 |
| schestowitz | "What do you mean? ‘CD’" | Aug 27 18:49 |
| schestowitz | "SUSe Linux 9.1, came with a (fairly big) “Learn Linux in 10 minutes” book" | Aug 27 18:49 |
| schestowitz | "right, what about “Boot-Floppy-Disc”!? :-)" | Aug 27 18:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 27 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Debian Wheezy stable :) | Aug 27 18:50 |
| schestowitz | I have the original win$ xp cd that I bought when it came out… | Aug 27 18:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 27 18:50 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6515918 | Aug 27 19:07 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Sadly, to quite a lot of people RMS is a "nuisance" for starting the system which they use for free, Torvalds a celebrated hero. #gnu #linux | Aug 27 19:07 | |
| schestowitz | "AFAIK, Stallman never gave Nvidia the finger. Hero worship is earned." | Aug 27 19:07 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6515698 | Aug 27 19:07 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Qmmp (Winamp-like Mediaplayer) Has Reached Version 0.8.8 http://linuxg.net/install-qmmp-on-ubuntu/ #freesw | Aug 27 19:07 | |
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| schestowitz | "Is there any reason to use it rather than mplayer/VLC?" | Aug 27 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Not really. except nostalgia | Aug 27 19:08 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6516464 | Aug 27 19:08 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #paypal a nightmare. Need more alternatives, also to be adopted by more businesses. | Aug 27 19:08 | |
| schestowitz | "I find Paypal very convenient. But what ever happened to Mozilla’s API?" | Aug 27 19:08 |
| schestowitz | For payments? | Aug 27 19:08 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6506042 | Aug 28 06:42 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Nothing to do with #android (people choose weak patterns) and requires physical access anyway http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/android-lock-patterns-are-highly-predictable-could-give-people-access-to-phones-10469314.html | Aug 28 06:42 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.independent.co.uk | Android lock patterns are highly predictable, could give people access to phones - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/njnhf ] | Aug 28 06:42 | |
| schestowitz | "applause" | Aug 28 06:42 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6515651 | Aug 28 06:42 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #ownCloud Desktop Client 2.0 Arrives with Support for Multiple Accounts, More http://news.softpedia.com/news/owncloud-desktop-client-2-0-arrives-with-support-for-multiple-accounts-more-490072.shtml #sharing | Aug 28 06:42 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> news.softpedia.com | ownCloud Desktop Client 2.0 Arrives with Support for Multiple Accounts, More - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/nk70t ] | Aug 28 06:42 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 28 06:42 |
| schestowitz | The Multiple account option is what I was missing. Works like a charm. | Aug 28 06:42 |
| schestowitz | Owncloud really is a wonderful product. :) | Aug 28 06:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 28 06:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 28 06:42 |
| schestowitz | The Multiple account option is what I was missing. Works like a charm. | Aug 28 06:42 |
| schestowitz | Owncloud really is a wonderful product. :) | Aug 28 06:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 28 06:42 |
| schestowitz | You'll know that #owncloud is powerful and that it has grown mainstream when Feds start accusing it of being used for copyright infringement, paedophilia etc. | Aug 28 06:43 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6518183 | Aug 28 06:44 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #paypal had a serious glitch, they double-charged us, and I've had to spend 3 days chasing it, still without remedy. @paypal sucks. Avoid. | Aug 28 06:44 | |
| schestowitz | "I told you…they are terrible!" | Aug 28 06:44 |
| schestowitz | They always were | Aug 28 06:44 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6518180 | Aug 28 06:45 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Critical PayPal XSS vulnerability left accounts open to attack http://betanews.com/2015/08/27/critical-paypal-xss-vulnerability-left-accounts-open-to-attack/ #paypal terrible, greedy, now insecure | Aug 28 06:45 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> betanews.com | Critical PayPal XSS vulnerability left accounts open to attack [ http://ur1.ca/nkxsj ] | Aug 28 06:45 | |
| schestowitz | "Closing my account right now!" | Aug 28 06:45 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6518254 | Aug 28 06:46 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://twitter.com/ukgrimevine/status/636955695728959488 | Aug 28 06:46 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@ukgrimevine: They so tired of Usain Bolt winning look how they tryna sabotage him http://t.co/PcFhcW8YxI | Aug 28 06:46 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 28 06:46 |
| schestowitz | This is typically chinese… | Aug 28 06:46 |
| schestowitz | Haven’t shown that in the home transmission… | Aug 28 06:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 28 06:46 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6514059 | Aug 28 06:46 |
| schestowitz | "Sometimes enough electricity to heat the room." | Aug 28 06:46 |
| schestowitz | Hardly. It doesn't emit much heat. Bought a refurbished replacement yesterday. | Aug 28 06:46 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: My ~13-year-old CRT is starting to show signs of inevitable death, with small explosions seen and heard while switching it on | Aug 28 06:46 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Vecchi_Paolo/status/637191510027554816 | Aug 28 10:21 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Vecchi_Paolo: @ghabuntu My take on #Microsoft's latest PR blunder: http://t.co/9HdFmWLc4b @schestowitz | Aug 28 10:21 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.cio.co.uk | Is Office 365 cheaper than OpenOffice and open source? | Aug 28 10:21 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/79474 | Aug 28 10:21 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tuxmachines.org | Is Office 365 cheaper than OpenOffice and open source? | Tux Machines | Aug 28 10:21 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MagichaeI/status/637192315145179136 | Aug 28 10:28 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MagichaeI: @schestowitz I find his claim astounding... only 3bn people on Earth have internet access. | Aug 28 10:28 | |
| schestowitz | astounding because he's lying; he measures the wrong thing, like counting in spam accounts when it suits Facebook's agenda | Aug 28 10:28 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/637228998125309952 | Aug 28 12:57 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz Can be a strange company to work for... http://t.co/enpJqU3VSv | Aug 28 12:57 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/637232514369634304 | Aug 28 12:58 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Metztli_IT: Ditched their #bullsh!t 'service' long ago: #Paypal refused to own up a tech glitch that affected my acct negatively https://t.co/A1UyFBEC7X | Aug 28 12:58 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #paypal had server error, took duplicate payments. What an utter failure. Will it self-correct? Doubt it... | Aug 28 12:58 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/VodafoneUKhelp/status/637234269354622976 | Aug 28 13:08 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@VodafoneUKhelp: @schestowitz You can remove your numbers from all marketing calls here http://t.co/jg8hrfALqk ^DCD | Aug 28 13:08 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxActionShow/comments/3iq4m6/microsoft_loves_linux_to_death_and_still_tries_to/ | Aug 28 18:25 |
| r_schestowitz | "guess - click bait" | Aug 28 18:25 |
| r_schestowitz | "Microsoft is a big company. It reminds me of Sony and how different parts of the company would be in conflict with each other - most famously were cases between the parts(s) that were responsible for electronics like mp3 players and computers, and the part that is a music label." | Aug 28 18:25 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.reddit.com | Microsoft Loves Linux to Death and Still Tries to Kill GNU/Linux : LinuxActionShow [ http://ur1.ca/nl5vz ] | Aug 28 18:25 | |
| r_schestowitz | That's BS | Aug 28 18:25 |
| r_schestowitz | it's collectively accountable | Aug 28 18:25 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Aug 28 18:26 |
| r_schestowitz | morons who have just discovered the magic of the internet | Aug 28 18:26 |
| r_schestowitz | Heh. You seem to have no idea of who he is. | Aug 28 18:26 |
| r_schestowitz | Btw, if you believe there's a New Microsoft, I think I may have a lovely little bridge to sell you. :) | Aug 28 18:26 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Aug 28 18:26 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6520201 | Aug 28 18:32 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 'Justice' by plea "bargains" http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/28/nyregion/how-a-gun-in-a-purse-became-a-permanent-ball-and-chain.html | Aug 28 18:32 | |
| r_schestowitz | "plea bargaining is corruption and blackmail. Prosecutors. and judges who condone it, should be prosecuted." | Aug 28 18:32 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/nl6si ] | Aug 28 18:32 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6515698 | Aug 28 23:51 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Qmmp (Winamp-like Mediaplayer) Has Reached Version 0.8.8 http://linuxg.net/install-qmmp-on-ubuntu/ #freesw | Aug 28 23:51 | |
| schestowitz | "I have an old version of Winamp that came with an old version of Netscape Communicator that I occasionally run under Wine to remind myself how much more stable browsers are nowadays." | Aug 28 23:51 |
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| schestowitz | f*ing paypal | Aug 29 00:07 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AskPayPal/status/637398800743559168 | Aug 29 00:07 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AskPayPal: @schestowitz Please be careful as to what info you are posting publicly through Twitter. If you would like us to have a look. Please (more) | Aug 29 00:07 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AskPayPal/status/637398839121412096 | Aug 29 00:07 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AskPayPal: @schestowitz follow and DM us your email and the details. ^AA | Aug 29 00:07 | |
| schestowitz | need anything other than my email and transaction IDs? Figure it out or face negative publicity | Aug 29 00:07 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6522653 | Aug 29 18:59 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@harryhaller@nerdpol.ch: __Assange : What Wikileaks Teaches Us About How the U.S. Operates__ > ---- <strong>  @{ Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) ; schestowitz@joindiaspora.com} </strong><sup> | Aug 29 18:59 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> europe.newsweek.com | Assange: What Wikileaks Teaches Us About How the U.S. Operates [ http://ur1.ca/nlnyi ] | Aug 29 18:59 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/01efae80297b013338b652540061b601 | Aug 29 18:59 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Not a Diaspora post? | Aug 29 18:59 | |
| schestowitz | "also how the victorians worked in their empire" | Aug 29 18:59 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/01efae80297b013338b652540061b601 | Aug 29 19:00 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 29 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Correspondence respecting the ruby mines of Upper Burmah | Aug 29 19:00 |
| schestowitz | learn all about imperialism, monopolies, etc. There’s so much between the lines and straight up front - the government gats its percentage etc. Army sent in, Rothschilds cut out, local ‘rights’ respected but only allowed to use traditional methods - this is a Victorian wikileaks. | Aug 29 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Some references you’l need: Lakh Rubies | Aug 29 19:00 |
| schestowitz | #Burmah was regarded as part of #India for administrative purposes. | Aug 29 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Read it right through - it gets a bit burocratic for a while, but hang in. | Aug 29 19:00 |
| schestowitz | #history #colonialism #realpolitics #exploitation #monopolism #taxes #duties #natives #uk #burmah #myanmar #india #rothschild #antisemitism ? | Aug 29 19:00 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 29 19:00 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6522322 | Aug 29 19:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Assange : What #Wikileaks Teaches Us About How the U.S. Operates http://europe.newsweek.com/assange-what-wikileaks-teaches-us-about-how-u-s-operates-332159 "The study of empires" | Aug 29 19:02 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | I posted the cables regarding the exploitation of rubies in Burmah from archive.org. | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | It showed how empire exploited by taking its percentage at every step after awarding the monopoly to friends. | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | The cables clearly show how Rothschilds were cut out as “non-British” (Cosmopolitan). | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | It hadn’t even invaded the area yet. | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | It showed how it “respected” the native miners by allowing them to continue mining using traditiional methods = forbid them from using modern industrial methods. | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Not a single like. | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Attention span deficit. | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Hence ignorance of Russian history etc. | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | I posted the cables regarding the exploitation of rubies in Burmah from archive.org. | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | It showed how empire exploited by taking its percentage at every step after awarding the monopoly to friends. | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | The cables clearly show how Rothschilds were cut out as “non-British” (Cosmopolitan). | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | It hadn’t even invaded the area yet. | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | It showed how it “respected” the native miners by allowing them to continue mining using traditiional methods = forbid them from using modern industrial methods. | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | "Not a single like." | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Attention span deficit. | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Hence ignorance of Russian history etc. | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | "I say only “DualOS” :-)" | Aug 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6522519 | Aug 29 19:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: CEO John Chen Says BlackBerry Devices Need More Apps, but Won’t Confirm Android Plans http://recode.net/2015/08/28/ceo-john-chen-says-blackberry-devices-need-more-apps-but-wont-confirm-android-plans/ #blackberry #linux #android | Aug 29 19:02 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> recode.net | CEO John Chen Says BlackBerry Devices Need More Apps | Re/code [ http://ur1.ca/nlnzj ] | Aug 29 19:02 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6522975 | Aug 29 19:10 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Why government #surveillance won’t protect your data http://fortune.com/2015/08/26/cybersecurity-nsa-att/ protect from who? People half a way across the world? | Aug 29 19:10 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> fortune.com | Why government surveillance won’t protect your data - Fortune [ http://ur1.ca/nlo2g ] | Aug 29 19:10 | |
| schestowitz | "Has Fortune also published an article titled “Why Drinking Gasoline Won’t Improve Your Health”? How about “Why Bathing in Rancid Horse Urine Won’t Make You Smell Better”?" | Aug 29 19:10 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6523104 | Aug 29 19:11 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: VPN down: China goes after Astrill, other anti- #censorship apps in run up to WW2 anniversary parade http://www.scmp.com/tech/apps-gaming/article/1852658/vpn-down-china-goes-after-astrill-other-anti-censorship-apps-run?page=all #japan #china | Aug 29 19:11 | |
| schestowitz | "Why Astrill?!" | Aug 29 19:11 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.scmp.com | VPN down: China goes after Astrill, other anti-censorship apps in run up to WW2 anniversary parade | South China Morning Post [ http://ur1.ca/nlo2l ] | Aug 29 19:11 | |
| schestowitz | "Probably because it’s the best-known (most-used?). Others (eg. the one I use) still work." | Aug 29 19:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/08/michael-brown-study-racial-bias-weapon https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/ https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6520209 | Aug 29 19:13 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.motherjones.com | The Ferguson Shooting and the Science of Race and Guns | Mother Jones [ http://ur1.ca/nlo3o ] | Aug 29 19:13 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-implicit.harvard.edu | ProjectImplicit | Aug 29 19:13 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Study reveals that a lot of #psychology 'research' really is just 'psycho-babble' http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/study-reveals-that-a-lot-of-psychology-research-really-is-just-psychobabble-10474646.html people who need help themselves. | Aug 29 19:13 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.independent.co.uk | Study reveals that a lot of psychology research really is just 'psycho-babble' - Science - News - The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/nl6kr ] | Aug 29 19:13 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 29 19:13 |
| schestowitz | I agree with Harry, especially when the authors of this article talk about racism and weapons identification. Trashing a whole discipline of science is tobacco industry level dishonesty. If you have the education it takes to trash any study, you should know better than this. | Aug 29 19:13 |
| schestowitz | There are some wonderful, well established studies that have been reproduced hundreds of times over decades that are very similar to one of the tests these researchers supposedly were unable to reproduce. There’s the “Doll Test” that was originally done in 1937, which shows that children suffer perception problems from racism. It has been reproduced ever since, all around the world. Another interesting study shows that women score a | Aug 29 19:13 |
| schestowitz | standard of deviation lower on math tests if they are reminded of gender rolls immediately before testing. That too has been repeated in hundreds of ways and is very robust. Such strong demonstrations of racism and sexism with performance results imply racism and sexism can play a roll in policing and weapons identification. I think that racism and sexism in weapons identification have been robustly and repeatedly demonstrated. | Aug 29 19:13 |
| schestowitz | You don’t have to take the researcher’s word for it, they have published a performance test online. You can challenge yourself by visiting their site and pushing the button. I have not because I don’t have Adobe Trash Player. | Aug 29 19:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 29 19:13 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6519433 | Aug 29 19:14 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: SeaWorld criticism surges online after Harry Styles speaks out, analysts report http://www.theguardian.com/travel/2015/aug/27/seaworld-harry-styles-negative-online-comments | Aug 29 19:14 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.theguardian.com | SeaWorld criticism surges online after Harry Styles speaks out, analysts report | Travel | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/nlo40 ] | Aug 29 19:14 | |
| schestowitz | "Banksters realize the power of social media and seek to control it." | Aug 29 19:14 |
| schestowitz | http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/35950/ | Aug 29 20:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-lxer.com | LXer: The irony of ZDNet: Sick of Windows spying on you? Go Linux | Aug 29 20:37 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 29 20:37 |
| schestowitz | While I like seeing this type of article on ZDNet, advising people to switch from Windows to Linux if they value their privacy, ZDNet is one of the worst sites on the net for loading tracking cookies in your browser. Even privacy badger blocked them on my system. | Aug 29 20:37 |
| schestowitz | So, the article should also recommend avoiding the very site it appears on. | Aug 29 20:37 |
| schestowitz | '" | Aug 29 20:37 |
| schestowitz | "Ghostery reports blocking 10 trackers on the page in question. " | Aug 29 20:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 29 20:38 |
| schestowitz | I looked at this article with enormous interest when I was doing my "editing stuff" and wondered: "Well, you'd stop it all if you uninstalled Cortana." But given Microsoft's uncanny and horrible ability to do things you DON'T want with respect to choice, I wonder if you can - completely. One thing I am certain of: I have to use Win8.1 as part of a project I am involved in.....but I will never, never voluntarily allow Win10 to replace the | Aug 29 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Win8.1 installation. | Aug 29 20:38 |
| schestowitz | The more I hear of Win10, the more concerned I get about consumer rights and privacy. If what I am beginning to understand is correct, this software is recording keystrokes, and so the user's passwords to banks, sites, etc. are wide open for Microsoft to scoop up, and by accident, anyone else that Cortana makes a link to without the user's knowledge. When you use Linux, you know that you are in control; when you use Windows, Redmond is in | Aug 29 20:38 |
| schestowitz | control and running your computer the way it wants. | Aug 29 20:38 |
| schestowitz | As my daughter just remarked, this seems to be verging on "spyware". Perhaps I am over-reacting and I'd like some comments on the matter because I may be seeing problems that don't really exist. | Aug 29 20:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 29 20:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 29 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Ridcully, I think the problems you see not only do really exist, I think there are a few aspects of them that are really worrisome. | Aug 29 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Example: remember that in the NSA revelations there was a whole series of LOVEINT revelations, in which individuals at the NSA spied on lovers, wives, husbands, etc? Well, "Microsoft" is not one great monolith - inside it are humans, who now are responsible for handling all that keystroke/voice/image/whatever information the user involuntarily sends them. Humans being humans, it just ain't safe! | Aug 29 20:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 29 20:39 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6522850 | Aug 29 20:41 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: New species of crayfish discovered in Indonesia named after #Snowden http://jakarta.coconuts.co/2015/08/27/new-species-crayfish-discovered-indonesia-named-after-nsa-whistleblower-edward-snowden http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/08/meet-the-crayfish-species-named-after-nsa-whistleblower-edward-snowden/ http://www.newsweek.com/snowden-sea-researchers-name-new-crayfish-after-nsa-leaker-365782 | Aug 29 20:41 | |
| schestowitz | "I think the US just will call that crayfish cherax freedom or something like that." | Aug 29 20:41 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> jakarta.coconuts.co | New species of crayfish discovered in Indonesia named after NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden | Coconuts Jakarta [ http://ur1.ca/nlozy ] | Aug 29 20:41 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> arstechnica.com | Meet the crayfish species named after NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/nlozz ] | Aug 29 20:41 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.newsweek.com | [ http://ur1.ca/nlp00 ] | Aug 29 20:41 | |
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| schestowitz | Re: 'Idea Man' by Paul Allen .. | Aug 29 22:37 |
| schestowitz | > I just browsed through 'Idea Man' by Paul Allen. In which he describes the formal partnership agreement that billg persuaded him to sign. Micro-soft divided 64-36 to Gates. Gates reasoned that since Allen was a student while BASIC was been written, he (Allen) was only entitled to the lesser share. Except 'Paragraph 8' of the new partnership agreement exempts Gates, if Gates goes back to full time studies. 'Para 12' states than in the | Aug 29 22:37 |
| schestowitz | event of 'irreconcilable differences', Gates gets to FIRE Allen. There is - of course - no such reciprocal agreement. Thing is, and even at this distance, Allen still thinks Gates didn't diddle him and it was a fair agreement. Remember, later on when Allen became terminally ill and how Allen overheard Gates and Ballmer discussing how to claw back Allens shares before he popped his clogs. | Aug 29 22:37 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 29 22:37 |
| schestowitz | > There's also the licensing agreement with MITS. Microsoft licensed BASIC to MITS (10 years exclusive world-wide license) using a semi-exclusive-non-exclusive license. Later on, other players entered the market and Micro-soft sold them a BASIC license. MITS tried to enforce their exclusive license. But it turned out that Micro-soft had inserted a clause stating that if MITS impedes the distribution of BASIC then Micro-soft could cancel | Aug 29 22:37 |
| schestowitz | the licensing agreement. MITS took them to court and lost. | Aug 29 22:37 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 29 22:37 |
| schestowitz | > Just to recap, Micro-soft screwed their 'partner' MITS, and Gates screwed his 'partner' and friend Paul Allen. Don't take my word for this, go get the book and verify in the text. | Aug 29 22:37 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 29 22:37 |
| schestowitz | > http://zap2it.com/2011/03/microsoft-co-founder-paul-allen-slams-bill-gates-in-new-memoir/ | Aug 29 22:38 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-zap2it.com | Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen slams Bill Gates in new memoir | Zap2It [ http://ur1.ca/nlq4y ] | Aug 29 22:38 | |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 29 22:38 |
| schestowitz | > ps; Remember that story where Gates was on his way to MITS to demo BASIC and wrote the boot-loader on a yellow pad. Well it turns out that it was Paul Allen that wrote the boot-loader and gave the demo. | Aug 29 22:38 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 29 22:38 |
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