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cubexyzwell, I gave it my best shot but I could get xmmix to run on LinuxAug 02 01:25
cubexyza pityAug 02 01:25
cubexyzs/could/couldn't/Aug 02 01:25
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DaemonFCMozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/42.0.2311.135 Safari/537.36 Edge/12.10136Aug 02 01:46
DaemonFCHehAug 02 01:46
DaemonFCI like how the user agent for Edge starts at version 12.Aug 02 01:47
DaemonFChttps://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2015/06/17/building-a-more-interoperable-web-with-microsoft-edge/Aug 02 01:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.windows.com | Building a more interoperable Web with Microsoft Edge | Microsoft Edge Dev Blog [ http://ur1.ca/nbw1t ]Aug 02 01:48
schestowitzlolAug 02 01:48
schestowitzinteropAug 02 01:48
schestowitznow they have TWO browsers bolted into the OSAug 02 01:48
schestowitznot oneAug 02 01:48
schestowitzand web devs need to test with more crappy browsersAug 02 01:48
DaemonFCThey say that their goal is to make it work like Webkit in practice.Aug 02 01:49
schestowitzMS and PBS, eh?Aug 02 01:49
schestowitz!google pbs techrightsAug 02 01:49
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DaemonFC"Over the past year, we’ve seen some UA-sniffing sites that have been updated to detect Microsoft Edge… only to provide it with a legacy IE11 code path. This is not the best approach, as Microsoft Edge matches ‘WebKit’ behaviors, not IE11 behaviors (any Edge-WebKit differences are bugs that we’re interested in fixing). In our experience Microsoft Edge runs best on the ‘WebKit’ code paths in these sites. Also, withAug 02 01:49
DaemonFC the internet becoming available on a wider variety of devices, please assume unknown browsers are good – please don’t limit your site to working only on a small set of current known browsers. If you do this, your site will almost certainly break in the future."Aug 02 01:49
schestowitzlolAug 02 01:50
DaemonFCThis sounds an awful lot like what Firefox was saying back when IE 6 was being used by over 80% of web users.Aug 02 01:50
schestowitzpot, kettle...Aug 02 01:50
DaemonFC"In 2014, we had to add support for WebKit-prefixed CSS to render a very large number of modern (mobile) sites, after which we observed an improvement on more than 40% of mobile web sites. Rendering a usable mobile Web now depends on your browser supporting WebKit CSS prefixes; an approach that even Firefox is using."Aug 02 01:51
DaemonFCThen they go on to say that you make your browser interoperable by just giving up and doing what Webkit does, even though it's not standardized.Aug 02 01:52
DaemonFC*barf*Aug 02 01:52
schestowitzyeah, lies for that headlineAug 02 01:52
schestowitz"https://blogs.gnome.org/ignatenko/2015/07/31/fedora-22-on-cubietruck/"Aug 02 01:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://blogs.gnome.org/ignatenko/2015/07/31/fedora-22-on-cubietruck/ )Aug 02 01:53
schestowitzoopsAug 02 01:53
schestowitz"Building a more interoperable Web with Microsoft Edge"Aug 02 01:53
schestowitzGood, tell me more..."Aug 02 01:53
schestowitzDaemonFC: ta for the linkAug 02 01:55
schestowitzto some soonAug 02 01:55
schestowitz"Microsoft -- Like Bill Gates -- Bribes PBS for Propaganda as 'Programme'"Aug 02 01:55
schestowitzI wouldn't have noticed otherwiseAug 02 01:55
schestowitz" PBS's announcement that it will air the Microsoft-funded 'reality' show Code Trip, "Aug 02 01:55
schestowitzYeah, like Koch-fundedAug 02 01:55
schestowitzPBS is a sham nowAug 02 01:55
schestowitzlike BBCAug 02 01:55
schestowitzShould remove the "P" from the ecoronymAug 02 01:56
*schestowitz scrolls up a bitAug 02 01:57
schestowitz[03:34] <DaemonFC> Microsoft bought themselves a show on PBS. This comes after Walmart and the oil companies did the same thing.Aug 02 01:57
schestowitz[03:34] <DaemonFC> Of course, with everyday people losing their personal wealth and being left unable to donate, while PBS had their public funding slashed by more than two-thirds under George W. Bush, this was probably inevitable.Aug 02 01:57
schestowitzyes, PBS a sham nowAug 02 01:58
schestowitzalso did this for gates, maybe monsanto IIRCAug 02 01:58
schestowitzhttp://blog.hackersonlineclub.com/2015/08/oops-new-microsoft-windows-10-is-spying.htmlAug 02 01:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.hackersonlineclub.com | Oops! New Microsoft Windows 10 Is Spying On You - Hackers Online Club (HOC) [ http://ur1.ca/nbw4g ]Aug 02 01:58
DaemonFCThey've been like this for years though.Aug 02 01:58
schestowitzyes, not denying itAug 02 01:59
schestowitzsame for BBC...Aug 02 01:59
DaemonFCMicrosoft is just the latest "sponsor" that has hijacked PBS.Aug 02 01:59
schestowitzpeople must be wiser and demand changeAug 02 01:59
DaemonFCIt's not public broadcasting. It's just a zombie.Aug 02 01:59
schestowitzI spoke to someone from Microsoft yetserdayAug 02 01:59
schestowitzfor half an hourAug 02 01:59
schestowitzthey're not even told what's going onAug 02 01:59
DaemonFChttp://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2015/05/06/a-break-from-the-past-part-2-saying-goodbye-to-activex-vbscript-attachevent/Aug 02 02:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.windows.com | A break from the past, part 2: Saying goodbye to ActiveX, VBScript, attachEvent… | Microsoft Edge Dev Blog [ http://ur1.ca/nbw4y ]Aug 02 02:01
DaemonFCInternet Explorer had accumulated a lot of garbage over the years, but it's still in Windows 10 and can't be removed.Aug 02 02:01
DaemonFCPaul Thurrott said that Microsoft could release a platform update at some point along the way that rips it out, but they probably won't.Aug 02 02:02
DaemonFCThe support roadmap says that they're going to do security patches only for the next ten years, so it'll be there through 2025. They made it a part of the "platform", so there's really nothing they can do about this. If they remove it, thousands of applications that assume it's there and go to use it will break.Aug 02 02:03
schestowitzwill Micosoft last that long?Aug 02 02:07
schestowitzThey already killed phones, Windows RTAug 02 02:07
schestowitzone more update and it's abandonedAug 02 02:07
DaemonFC220,000 lines of code, 6 document modes, and 300+ APIs removed from Trident for the EdgeHTML fork.Aug 02 02:07
DaemonFCDamn. I didn't know IE had gotten that bad.Aug 02 02:08
schestowitzyuckAug 02 02:08
schestowitzapparently there are enough fools who do 'upgrade' to itAug 02 02:09
schestowitzthough you can't quite say how manyAug 02 02:09
schestowitzMicrosoft lies about the numbersAug 02 02:09
schestowitz(as it always does)Aug 02 02:09
DaemonFCApparently, an unnamed source said 67 million as of yesterday.Aug 02 02:10
DaemonFCDoesn't seem right to me, but some sites repeated that figure.Aug 02 02:10
DaemonFCPhoronix repeated it.Aug 02 02:10
DaemonFCIf we're supposed to believe that, then that means that Windows 7 and 8 basically collapsed in just two days, which is pretty far-fetched.Aug 02 02:11
DaemonFCLots of people have those OEM systems stuffed with bloatware and haven't been updating their system. Someone I know told me that he's too afraid to upgrade because it might cause him to lose everything. It'll make a damned mess for sure, with all of the stupid shit Lenovo did to his laptop before they shipped it.Aug 02 02:12
DaemonFC"We recently demonstrated our early work on a modern, HTML/JavaScript-based extension model to provide extensibility beyond what is available with HTML5. "Aug 02 02:14
DaemonFCWouldn't surprise me if they make it extremely close to the extension model of Chrome or Safari, to encourage ports.Aug 02 02:14
schestowitz[07:10] <DaemonFC> Doesn't seem right to me, but some sites repeated that figure.Aug 02 02:15
schestowitz[07:10] <DaemonFC> Phoronix repeated it.Aug 02 02:15
schestowitzEXACTLYAug 02 02:15
DaemonFCWith the license that Mozilla had pdf.js under, it wouldn't surprise me if that's Edge's PDF viewer.Aug 02 02:15
schestowitzand I chastised Michael over itAug 02 02:15
DaemonFCThey took asm.js.Aug 02 02:15
schestowitzBTW, Phoronix is not spyware-infectedAug 02 02:15
schestowitzsome pages have JS from over 30 (THIRTY) domainsAug 02 02:15
DaemonFCI'm using Firefox Nightly 64-bit right now.Aug 02 02:16
schestowitzasm.js is Eich'sAug 02 02:16
schestowitzand I think he's not strong enough to stand up to MS nowAug 02 02:16
schestowitzI talked to him a lot in twitterAug 02 02:16
schestowitzhe doesn't realise how dangerous mono isAug 02 02:16
schestowitzso I explained to himAug 02 02:16
schestowitzhe's still not convincesAug 02 02:17
schestowitz*cedAug 02 02:17
DaemonFCNotice that under "Why we don't need them now" they don't mention that ActiveX and BHOs were mostly malware or shit security toolbars, or malware toolbars.Aug 02 02:17
DaemonFCHmm, they cloned the about:flags menu.Aug 02 02:18
DaemonFCThey have one like the one Chrome uses, to let you enable "experiments".Aug 02 02:19
schestowitz"about:thing" is a netscape/mozilla thingAug 02 02:21
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DaemonFCMan, this list of stuff they removed.Aug 02 02:26
DaemonFCIt's like everything they ever did to try to hijack the web.Aug 02 02:26
DaemonFCIt goes on into another page.Aug 02 02:27
DaemonFChttps://gist.github.com/MSEdge/63a18da22c1da2639b1aAug 02 02:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gist.github.com | Proprietary / Non-Inteoperable IE APIs no longer in Microsoft Edge · GitHub [ http://ur1.ca/nbwc0 ]Aug 02 02:27
DaemonFChttp://www.businessinsider.com/apple-music-has-big-problems-2015-7Aug 02 02:31
DaemonFCApple Music launch flops. It's full of infuriating bugs and features that nobody will ever use. Aug 02 02:31
DaemonFCI can't say that I recall the last time that Spotify deleted songs out of my playlists or had playlists that they created that told me that I wasn't licensed to listen to them. :)Aug 02 02:31
DaemonFC"Apple Music is shaping up to be Apple's worst received product launch since Apple Maps in 2012.Aug 02 02:31
DaemonFCApple Music, released in June, was supposed to be Apple's big splash into the world of subscription on-demand music and online radio. But it seems to have a lot of bugs.Aug 02 02:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | Apple Music has big problems - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/nbwcv ]Aug 02 02:31
DaemonFCLongtime Apple watcher Jim Dalrymple wrote about his experiences last week, saying that the Apple Music app on his phone deleted more than 4,000 songs after presenting a bunch of confusing options that were hard to override. (He later got most of it back.)" Aug 02 02:31
DaemonFCI think what he means is that they deleted over 4,000 songs that were actually stored on his iPhone from iTunes.Aug 02 02:33
DaemonFChttp://www.billboard.com/articles/business/6641711/al-franken-apple-music-app-store-letter-ftcAug 02 02:33
DaemonFCSaid the article, in part,Aug 02 02:33
DaemonFCAs previously reported, Apple takes a 30 percent cut of all purchases within its App store. Outside developers are barred from informing consumers within their App pages that the same service can be purchased on their third-party websites, thereby cutting Apple out of the equation. Rules also prohibit apps from including a link to their websites and from mentioning other platforms, like Google Play.Aug 02 02:33
DaemonFC"These types of restrictions seem to offer no competitive benefit and may actually undermine the competitive process, to the detriment of consumers, who may end up paying substantially more than the current market price point," Franken said in his letter.Aug 02 02:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.billboard.com | Sen. Al Franken Wants Federal Probe of Apple Music, App Store Practices | Billboard [ http://ur1.ca/nbpfq ]Aug 02 02:33
DaemonFCFranken's letter addresses concerns from music streaming services that believe consumers should be better informed about pricing disparities between the App store and their websites. Services including Spotify and Rdio charge $12.99/month in the App store to account for Apple's 30 percent cut. If purchased directly, the price would be $9.99/month.Aug 02 02:33
DaemonFCTaking matters into their own hands, Spotify recently announced plans to email iPhone users with directions on how to alter their subscriptions in order to save a few dollars each month. "It's super simple," the emailed tutorial reads.Aug 02 02:33
DaemonFCApple Music, which launched June 30 to much fanfare, also charges $9.99 but does not have to worry about the company's 30 percent. Aug 02 02:33
DaemonFCI wonder if Apple will get angry about that and ban direct contact by email to tell their users that Apple is screwing them out of that money.Aug 02 02:34
schestowitzMinceR: https://twitter.com/alphabetsuccess/status/627690301474222080Aug 02 02:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@alphabetsuccess: Budapest is Sleeping by Oscar Garcia-Olalla https://t.co/K7UAzJVk4y http://t.co/yZ5GPoC75qAug 02 02:35
schestowitzhttp://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3fc7ov/as_microsoft_astroturfingpr_budget_runs_dry_vista/Aug 02 02:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | As Microsoft AstroTurfing/PR Budget Runs Dry, Vista 10 Truths Come Out : conspiracy [ http://ur1.ca/nbweu ]Aug 02 02:41
msb__PBS was hijacked decades ago.  It used to have programs questioning actions of the US government.  Then that suddenly stopped.  The US govt and all major US corporations comprise a single entity in their motives, propaganda lines, and mutual assistance.  They are all run by psychopaths, organized together, and viewing humanity as prey.Aug 02 02:47
msb__To realize the implications of this it helps to think of high-level psychopaths as insectoid aliens.  They are inhuman/anti-human to that degree.  Thinking of them that way helps overcome the distortion they create in our minds.  They have gotten very good at passing for human; that is a standard psychopath trait.  Think of Obama, charming and constantly smiling, as he destroyed Libya and installed a Nazi government in Ukraine.Aug 02 02:52
schestowitzhttp://www.heraldscotland.com/business/13524598.Bringing_Boston_back_home/Aug 02 03:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.heraldscotland.com | Bringing Boston back home (From Herald Scotland) [ http://ur1.ca/nbwkr ]Aug 02 03:04
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schestowitzhttp://www.geek.com/news/kim-dotcom-says-his-own-mega-cloud-storage-service-isnt-safe-anymore-1629958/Aug 02 03:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geek.com | Kim Dotcom says his own Mega cloud storage service isn’t safe anymore | News | Geek.com [ http://ur1.ca/nbwmw ]Aug 02 03:13
schestowitz"The statements were made in a Slashdot Q&A session with the Mega founder. According to Dotcom, matters have conspired to wrest control of Mega from him. Because of his ongoing legal difficulties, he has opted to transfer all his shares in Mega to his wife. However, they’re now separated and reportedly heading for divorce."Aug 02 03:13
schestowitzCrap, I have family videos on thereAug 02 03:13
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6414871Aug 02 03:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Cecil the lion's brother #Jericho shot dead on SAME day #Zimbabwe bans hunting http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/cecil-lions-brother-jericho-shot-6178481Aug 02 03:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.mirror.co.uk | Cecil the lion's brother Jericho 'shot dead' on SAME day Zimbabwe bans hunting - Mirror Online [ http://ur1.ca/nbvmj ]Aug 02 03:30
schestowitzhttp://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/08/01/428426035/jericho-isnt-cecils-brother-and-is-probably-still-alive-lion-researcher-saysAug 02 03:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.npr.org | Jericho Isn't Cecil's Brother And Is Probably Still Alive, Lion Researcher Says : The Two-Way : NPR [ http://ur1.ca/nbwqw ]Aug 02 03:30
schestowitzMaybe someone bamboozled the mediaAug 02 03:30
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schestowitzmsb__: I would not say "Nazi government in Ukraine."Aug 02 03:37
schestowitzTo sound credible say, "government sympathetic to nazi idealogy"Aug 02 03:38
schestowitzor something along those linesAug 02 03:38
schestowitzmost people don't know the history of UkraineAug 02 03:38
schestowitzand how some of them liaised with the Nazis against the SovietsAug 02 03:38
schestowitzSome worked in the death camps and were more feared than German-Austrian SS officersAug 02 03:38
schestowitzit's worth reminding to peopleAug 02 03:39
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schestowitzhttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/06/1282523/-The-Guardian-Western-Expansion-Aims-Helped-Put-Fascists-And-Neo-Nazis-in-Power-in-UkraineAug 02 03:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailykos.com | The Guardian: Western Expansion Aims Helped Put Fascists And Neo-Nazis in Power in Ukraine [ http://ur1.ca/nbwtb ]Aug 02 03:41
schestowitzMax Blumenthal: http://www.salon.com/2014/02/25/is_the_us_backing_neo_nazis_in_ukraine_partner/Aug 02 03:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.salon.com | Is the US backing neo-Nazis in Ukraine? - Salon.com [ http://ur1.ca/gxii9 ]Aug 02 03:41
schestowitz"White supremacist banners and Confederate flags were draped inside Kiev’s occupied City Hall, and demonstrators have hoisted Nazi SS and white power symbols over a toppled memorial to V.I. Lenin. After Yanukovich fled his palatial estate by helicopter, EuroMaidan protesters destroyed a memorial to Ukrainians who died battling German occupation during World War II. Sieg heil salutes and the Nazi Wolfsangel symbol have become an Aug 02 03:42
schestowitzincreasingly common site in Maidan Square, and neo-Nazi forces have established “autonomous zones” in and around Kiev."Aug 02 03:42
schestowitz"One of the “Big Three” political parties behind the protests is the ultra-nationalist Svoboda, whose leader, Oleh Tyahnybok, has called for the liberation of his country from the “Muscovite-Jewish mafia.” After the 2010 conviction of the Nazi death camp guard John Demjanjuk for his supporting role in the death of nearly 30,000 people at the Sobibor camp, Tyahnybok rushed to Germany to declare him a hero who was “fighting for truth.Aug 02 03:43
schestowitz” In the Ukrainian parliament, where Svoboda holds an unprecedented 37 seats, Tyahnybok’s deputy Yuriy Mykhalchyshyn is fond of quoting Joseph Goebbels – he has even founded a think tank originally called “the Joseph Goebbels Political Research Center.” According to Per Anders Rudling, a leading academic expert on European neo-fascism, the self-described “socialist nationalist” Mykhalchyshyn is the main link between Svoboda’s Aug 02 03:43
schestowitzofficial wing and neo-Nazi militias like Right Sector."Aug 02 03:43
DaemonFCHmm, I jsut ran into a bitcoin mining trojan.Aug 02 03:43
DaemonFCWindows Defender popped up and quarantined it.Aug 02 03:43
schestowitz"Svoboda’s openly pro-Nazi politics have not deterred Senator John McCain from addressing a EuroMaidan rally alongside Tyahnybok, nor did it prevent Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland from enjoying a friendly meeting with the Svoboda leader this February. Eager to fend off accusations of anti-Semitism, the Svoboda leader recently hosted the Israeli Ambassador to Ukraine. “I would like to ask Israelis to also respect our Aug 02 03:43
schestowitzpatriotic feelings,” Tyahnybok has remarked. “Probably each party in the [Israeli] Knesset is nationalist. With God’s help, let it be this way for us too.”"Aug 02 03:43
DaemonFCAt least something works. :PAug 02 03:43
schestowitz"Two weeks later, 15,000 Svoboda members held a torchlight ceremony in the city of Lviv in honor of Stepan Bandera, a World War II-era Nazi collaborator who led the pro-fascist Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN-B). Lviv has become the epicenter of neo-fascist activity in Ukraine, with elected Svoboda officials waging a campaign to rename its airport after Bandera and successfully changing the name of Peace Street to the name of the Aug 02 03:43
schestowitzNachtigall Battalion, an OUN-B wing that participated directly in the Holocaust. “’Peace’ is a holdover from Soviet stereotypes,” a Svoboda deputy explained."Aug 02 03:43
DaemonFCschestowitz, I found out that AT&T and Verizon removed Microsoft's apps from their Galaxy S6 phones.Aug 02 03:43
DaemonFCNo OneDrive or OneNote.Aug 02 03:44
schestowitz"Revered by Ukrainian nationalists as a legendary freedom fighter, Bandera’s real record was ignominious at best. After participating in a campaign to assassinate Ukrainians who supported accommodation with the Polish during the 1930’s, Bandera’s forces set themselves to ethnically cleanse western Ukraine of Poles in 1943 and 1944. In the process, they killed over 90,000 Poles and many Jews, whom Bandera’s top deputy and acting “Aug 02 03:44
schestowitzPrime Minister,” Yaroslav Stetsko, were determined to exterminate. Bandera held fast to fascist ideology in the years after the war, advocating a totalitarian, ethnically pure Europe while his affiliated Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) carried out a doomed armed struggle against the Soviet Union. The bloodbath he inspired ended when KGB agents assassinated him in Munich in 1959."Aug 02 03:44
DaemonFCYou can't remove them from the Sprint phone though. They're "system apps".Aug 02 03:44
schestowitz"Many surviving OUN-B members fled to Western Europe and the United States – occasionally with CIA help – where they quietly forged political alliances with right-wing elements. “You have to understand, we are an underground organization. We have spent years quietly penetrating positions of influence,” one member told journalist Russ Bellant, who documented the group’s resurgence in the United States in his 1988 book, “Old Nazis, Aug 02 03:44
schestowitzNew Right, and the Republican Party.”"Aug 02 03:44
schestowitz"When the Justice Department launched a crusade to capture and prosecute Nazi war criminals in 1985, UCCA snapped into action, lobbying Congress to halt the initiative. “The UCCA has also played a leading role in opposing federal investigations of suspected Nazi war criminals since those queries got underway in the late 1970’s,” Bellant wrote. “Some UCCA members have many reasons to worry – reasons which began in the 1930’s.”"Aug 02 03:44
schestowitz[08:43] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, I found out that AT&T and Verizon removed Microsoft's apps from their Galaxy S6 phones.Aug 02 03:45
schestowitzgreatAug 02 03:45
schestowitzMS used patent lawsuit for this Aug 02 03:46
schestowitz!google techrights samsung patents apps microsoftAug 02 03:46
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Microsoft Hates Linux – Part II – Patent Lawsuits Against ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2015/03/21/patent-lawsuits-not-love/Aug 02 03:46
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Microsoft Reportedly Uses Patent Blackmail Against ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2015/02/14/patent-blackmail-tactic/Aug 02 03:46
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - There is No 'New Microsoft': Under Nadella, Patent ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2015/07/06/microsoft-vs-kyocera-android/Aug 02 03:46
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Microsoft Continues to Attack (and Tax) Linux Using ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2015/04/12/stabbing-linux-in-the-back/Aug 02 03:46
DaemonFCYeah. Sprint makes it impossible to remove them.Aug 02 03:46
schestowitzI think all the above four are relevant to thisAug 02 03:46
DaemonFCIt's annoying as hell. OneDrive is in your notification tray wanting to back up files that you already backed up to Google.Aug 02 03:47
schestowitzDaemonFC: maybe Spring plays ball for the blackmailerAug 02 03:47
schestowitzDaemonFC: so that NSA has two pools :-)Aug 02 03:47
DaemonFCMicrosoft gives you 100 GB free for two years.Aug 02 03:47
schestowitz!google dotcom mega not safeAug 02 03:47
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Kim Dotcom: 'I don't think your data is safe on Mega anymore' | http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/07/31/kim-dotcom-i-dont-think-your-data-is-safe-on-mega-anymore/Aug 02 03:47
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Interviews: Kim Dotcom Answers Your Questions - Slashdot | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/07/27/200204/interviews-kim-dotcom-answers-your-questionsAug 02 03:47
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Kim Dotcom says his own Mega cloud storage service isn't safe ... | http://www.geek.com/news/kim-dotcom-says-his-own-mega-cloud-storage-service-isnt-safe-anymore-1629958/Aug 02 03:47
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Kim Dotcom Is Not Involved With Mega Anymore, Plans To Build Yet ... | http://techcrunch.com/2015/07/31/kim-dotcom-is-not-involved-with-mega-anymore-plans-to-build-yet-another-cloud-storage-service/Aug 02 03:47
DaemonFCObviously the goal is to get you to pack it full of files so you have to pay up later.Aug 02 03:47
schestowitzyeahAug 02 03:47
schestowitz'cloud' BSAug 02 03:48
schestowitzwill never fall for it, unless forced to, e.g. by employerAug 02 03:48
DaemonFC15 GB on Google Drive is a lot of space because photos up to 16 MP and video up to 1080p doesn't count. They'll change the resolution if it's higher and you want them to be exempt.Aug 02 03:48
schestowitzstorage not on my device is not mineAug 02 03:49
schestowitznot controlled by meAug 02 03:49
schestowitzcan be wiped on basis of pr0n, copyright, whetever...Aug 02 03:49
schestowitzPeople are taken for foolsAug 02 03:49
DaemonFCYeah. 64 GB of USB storage that plugs into your phone is only like $20, once.Aug 02 03:49
schestowitzand some play along because they haven't the energy to fight bakcAug 02 03:49
DaemonFCAnd it never leaves your possession.Aug 02 03:49
oiaohmDue to the policies I deal with a lot of stuff I place on cloud servers has to encrypted.Aug 02 03:49
schestowitzwith ssd on devices it's also getting hard to find the capacity to storeAug 02 03:49
schestowitzand the apps push people to 'back up' their filesAug 02 03:49
oiaohmNot by the provider but by local system.Aug 02 03:49
schestowitznot to their own drives, but PRISMAug 02 03:50
oiaohmThe thing I find annoying try getting people todo encrypted email.Aug 02 03:50
schestowitzpgpAug 02 03:50
oiaohmYepAug 02 03:50
schestowitzor don't talk to themAug 02 03:50
schestowitzor face to faceAug 02 03:50
schestowitzafter they take out the batteries from their 'phone'Aug 02 03:50
schestowitza friend of mine puts his phone inside his bagAug 02 03:51
schestowitzbut he wears that  fitbeat bsAug 02 03:51
schestowitztracks his pulse all the time, sent to 'cloud'Aug 02 03:51
DaemonFCI can't take the battery out of my phone. It's built-in.Aug 02 03:51
schestowitzat least no microphone on itAug 02 03:51
schestowitzDaemonFC: hypePhone?Aug 02 03:51
DaemonFCNo, it's a Galaxy S6.Aug 02 03:52
schestowitzDaemonFC: change 'phone' thenAug 02 03:52
schestowitzwow, didn't know Samsung does this too nowAug 02 03:52
oiaohmIt getting harder to get phones with removeable batteries.Aug 02 03:52
schestowitzWow, I need to write about this...Aug 02 03:52
DaemonFCYeah. Built-in battery and no SD card slot.Aug 02 03:52
DaemonFCYou can use USB OTG though.Aug 02 03:52
oiaohmThe battery type in phones can be explosiveAug 02 03:53
schestowitzthat's another issueAug 02 03:53
DaemonFCschestowitz, I just leased it.Aug 02 03:53
oiaohmSo non removable causes problems to say the least when you asked people to leave them behindAug 02 03:53
schestowitz!google nvidia recalls tabletAug 02 03:53
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oiaohmwhen in the past you could just ask for the battery.Aug 02 03:53
DaemonFCI can't turn it in until July 2017, unless I pay all remaining lease payments on it. :PAug 02 03:54
DaemonFCSo, I'm stuck with the S6 for the next two years. It's a decent phone though.Aug 02 03:54
DaemonFCI just wish I could delete some of the bloatware.Aug 02 03:54
DaemonFCApparently, the bloatware situation on the S5 was worse. I heard that it had 42 more apps that couldn't be removed.Aug 02 03:55
DaemonFCApparently, Samsung was just flagging everything that anyone paid them to bundle as a "system app".Aug 02 03:55
DaemonFCI turned off OneDrive by disabling it, and it warned me "This is a system app. If you disable it, your phone could malfunction.".Aug 02 03:55
DaemonFCAll I noticed is that the notifications wanting me to sign up for onedrive went away and my battery life improved.Aug 02 03:56
oiaohmhttp://www.techtimes.com/articles/40827/20150320/samsung-galaxy-s6-battery-removable-yes-easy-to-remove-no.htmAug 02 03:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techtimes.com | Samsung Galaxy S6 Battery: Removable? Yes. Easy To Remove? No : PERSONAL TECH : Tech Times [ http://ur1.ca/nbwwt ]Aug 02 03:58
oiaohmLot of battery removal problems start with the introduction of the near field stuff.Aug 02 03:59
schestowitzwowAug 02 04:00
schestowitzyou have to dismanle the thingAug 02 04:00
schestowitzcannot be done on the moveAug 02 04:00
schestowitzlike if you want privacyAug 02 04:00
schestowitzs2 made it easyAug 02 04:01
schestowitzflip it openAug 02 04:01
schestowitzpush, removeAug 02 04:01
schestowitzmy wife's...Aug 02 04:01
schestowitznot hard to remove the battery in old GalaxiesAug 02 04:01
schestowitzit only gets worse rather than better over timeAug 02 04:01
schestowitzold feature phones I had made it super-easy to remove batteriesAug 02 04:02
oiaohmNote its not just dismanle you have to heat it as well schestowitzAug 02 04:10
oiaohmOtherwise it not coming apart.Aug 02 04:10
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DaemonFCI'm surprised that wireless charging works as well as it does.Aug 02 04:25
DaemonFCIt's only about 25% slower than the Adaptive Fast Charge 2.0 charger that you plug into the phone.Aug 02 04:25
oiaohmDaemonFC: question is what does the power bill look like.Aug 02 04:26
DaemonFCThe charger detects whether the phone is there or not and turns itself on and off.Aug 02 04:26
oiaohmDaemonFC: Not that I mean percentage effectiveness.Aug 02 04:26
DaemonFCIf the phone is there and is fully charged, then the charger goes into a trickle charge mode to keep the phone at 100% until you pick it up.Aug 02 04:27
oiaohmAustralia we have increasing power prices.Aug 02 04:27
DaemonFC2 amp 5 volt is the wall adapter it says to use.Aug 02 04:27
DaemonFCSo, 10 watts if it's in use.Aug 02 04:28
oiaohmAnd that is about the same as normal charge.   So possilbe 25% more on power meter using wireless charging.Aug 02 04:28
oiaohmWireless charging in car where you have waste power would be ok.Aug 02 04:29
DaemonFCSamsung's wall charger is 15 watt (1.67 amp 9 volt).Aug 02 04:29
DaemonFCSo, 15 watts, but it goes right into the phone.Aug 02 04:29
DaemonFCObviously, it's more efficient, but I doubt you'll notice much difference.Aug 02 04:29
oiaohmBasically that is my problem I want to see the review of wireless vs wired.Aug 02 04:29
DaemonFCMaybe 10 cents on your power bill for the month.Aug 02 04:29
oiaohmDaemonFC: times that by 100+ staff and it starts adding up.Aug 02 04:30
oiaohmpower cost vs device replacement cost.Aug 02 04:30
oiaohmIe plugging devices is causes damage every time.Aug 02 04:31
DaemonFChttp://www.wirelesspowerconsortium.com/technology/why-not-a-wire-the-case-for-wireless-power.htmlAug 02 04:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wirelesspowerconsortium.com | Why Not A Wire? The case for wireless power [ http://ur1.ca/nbx5h ]Aug 02 04:31
DaemonFCAccording to this, the overall efficiency of wired charging is 50-64%, vs. wireless at about 60%.Aug 02 04:32
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6414871Aug 02 04:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Cecil the lion's brother #Jericho shot dead on SAME day #Zimbabwe bans hunting http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/cecil-lions-brother-jericho-shot-6178481Aug 02 04:34
schestowitz"One of the stories suggested the rumor was spread by, if I understood correctly, Zimbabwe’s equivalent of the National Inquirer, which is probably worse than your Daily Mail."Aug 02 04:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.mirror.co.uk | Cecil the lion's brother Jericho 'shot dead' on SAME day Zimbabwe bans hunting - Mirror Online [ http://ur1.ca/nbvmj ]Aug 02 04:34
schestowitzWow, worse than Daily Fail? Can't be...Aug 02 04:35
oiaohmDaemonFC: Ok by that they have airgapped section of the circuit that was normally there.Aug 02 04:36
schestowitzphoronix access means access to a lot of scripts from external sites, I think some ads networks lumps them inAug 02 04:37
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/michaellarabel/status/627609932599201796Aug 02 04:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@michaellarabel: @schestowitz huh?Aug 02 04:38
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/627505820742361088Aug 02 04:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: I've just opened a single article in the new #phoronix and my browser was asked to execute code from 30 different domains! @michaellarabelAug 02 04:38
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DaemonFCiPhones can't do wireless charging, so Starbucks is selling this thing you can plug into their charging ports so you can put the thing on the mat, and the thing charges the iPhone.Aug 02 04:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Plasma 5 (KDE) In Testing Aug 02 04:40
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DaemonFCThe dongle is like half the size of the iPhone. It really is quite funny.Aug 02 04:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Nextbit phone will “easily stand out” and beAug 02 04:40
TweetTuxMachines                 priced affordibly http://t.co/BkTjEZ97VVAug 02 04:40
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schestowitzDaemonFC: starbucks entices people with wifi, I find that patheticAug 02 04:41
schestowitzand now charging stationsAug 02 04:41
DaemonFCAt this point, you might wonder "Why doesn't Starbucks just offer a wall outlet?".Aug 02 04:41
DaemonFCThey use PMA, which is designed to snoop on you while your phone charges.Aug 02 04:42
schestowitzPMA?Aug 02 04:42
DaemonFCIt creates a GUID and matches it with your phone.Aug 02 04:42
schestowitzah, okAug 02 04:42
schestowitzmore "marketing" I guessAug 02 04:42
schestowitzI bet they also spy on wifi users and sell the dataAug 02 04:42
DaemonFCThat way, they know when you come in, where you sit, how long you stay there...Aug 02 04:42
schestowitzdidn't see their T&C and disclaimersAug 02 04:42
schestowitzbut many coffee shops do that these daysAug 02 04:42
DaemonFCschestowitz, It's not just coffee shops.Aug 02 04:43
DaemonFCPractically everywhere has wifi now.Aug 02 04:43
schestowitzyes, malls tooAug 02 04:43
schestowitzbut I think it's considered 'standard' for coffee shopsAug 02 04:43
DaemonFCRestaurants, doctor's offices, hospitals, gas stations, malls...Aug 02 04:43
schestowitzhere at leastAug 02 04:43
DaemonFCFort Wayne has one called Fort Wayne Downtown Wifi.Aug 02 04:43
schestowitzdoctor's offices less likely to spyAug 02 04:44
schestowitzhere at leastAug 02 04:44
DaemonFCI tried using it during a concert, but nothing would go through.Aug 02 04:44
schestowitztoo small to operate at this scaleAug 02 04:44
schestowitzlike selling dataAug 02 04:44
DaemonFCThey had thousands of people all trying to use it at once.Aug 02 04:44
schestowitzunless they bring in some "provider" to set up the hotspotAug 02 04:44
DaemonFCschestowitz, It's in most places now.Aug 02 04:44
MinceR074900 < DaemonFC> They say that their goal is to make it work like Webkit in practice.Aug 02 04:45
DaemonFCComcast is like the second largest ISP in America, and they turned everyone's router into an open hotspot for other Comcast customers.Aug 02 04:45
MinceRwhen did they ever not lie about their goals?Aug 02 04:45
DaemonFCSo you can log on to xfinitywifi and it will remember your device and let you automatically connect next time.Aug 02 04:45
MinceRoh, i guess when ballmer said he wants to "fucking kill google"Aug 02 04:45
schestowitzDaemonFC: I wonder if BT OpenZone is like thatAug 02 04:45
DaemonFCI ran into a weird bug in Edge. I click View Source and it goes "ding ding" and doesn't open anything.Aug 02 04:46
DaemonFCAnd then the browser window can't be closed.Aug 02 04:46
DaemonFCYou have to kill it with the Task Manager.Aug 02 04:46
schestowitzMinceR: LOLAug 02 04:46
schestowitzI forgot about thatAug 02 04:46
DaemonFCschestowitz, They can't do that with my router. I own my router.Aug 02 04:46
schestowitzEventually it's Google f**ing killing MSFTAug 02 04:46
DaemonFCThere's also a hidden configuration option on Comcast's website that lets you turn yours off, but it's buried so people won't easily find it.Aug 02 04:47
schestowitzwowAug 02 04:47
schestowitzif BT had done the same, I'd probably know by nowAug 02 04:47
schestowitzSo I guess it's more likely some other airbourne signalAug 02 04:47
schestowitzbut not sure which/howAug 02 04:47
DaemonFCYeah. You'll know. If you have Comcast and there's two wifi networks (yours and xfinitywifi) and they have the same signal strength, then that's what's happening.Aug 02 04:48
DaemonFCMinceR, I just think it's stupid and wrong to implement vendor prefixes like that.Aug 02 04:48
DaemonFC-webkit- has turned into the new user agent.Aug 02 04:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     gtkmm now uses C++11 http://t.co/3YJCLL9NFfAug 02 04:48
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DaemonFCWeb developers figure that if Webkit supports something, that's good enough, even if it's not a standard, and even if it's experimental. Aug 02 04:49
DaemonFCSo, Webkit *is* the new Internet Explorer.Aug 02 04:50
DaemonFCIE/Edge and Firefox both are down to like 18% marketshare.Aug 02 04:50
DaemonFCThey're not the 800 pound gorillas that they were at one point.Aug 02 04:50
MinceRwell, i guess webkit did catch out somewhat in crashesAug 02 04:50
DaemonFCI suspect that people at Microsoft are really pissed about having to delete thousands of attempts they made over the years to subvert the web.Aug 02 04:51
DaemonFCThat's not a small amount of code. 220,000 lines, six document rendering modes, and 300+ APIs (according to them).Aug 02 04:51
DaemonFCThey paid programmers probably millions of dollars to sit there and write this crap over the years, only to turn around and give up and delete it.Aug 02 04:52
MinceRthey still paid them sparingly, probably :>Aug 02 04:53
DaemonFCThey tried to make vbscript the scripting language of the web, because it could only fully work properly on Windows. ActiveX was about running Windows programs in the browser. DirectX page effects were meant to only work on Windows *and* compete with stylesheets.Aug 02 04:53
MinceRit's not like they're important to the companyAug 02 04:53
MinceRthey're not lawyers, marketroids or politiciansAug 02 04:53
DaemonFCIt goes on and on, and really, at the end of the day, they just wrote a really useful set of tools for malware.Aug 02 04:53
oiaohmDaemonFC: had a good read over that wireless charging.  Looks like it can techically match/beat the common chargers as the circuit other than construction is basically the same.   Solid state DC to DC (no coil) gets up to 85% but those kind of devices are rare. Aug 02 05:04
oiaohmvbscript and active-x was all about vendor lock in.Aug 02 05:06
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cubexyzonce the average person clues into the fact that one can run Linux/BSD on older computers just fine Microsoft is toastAug 02 05:18
cubexyzthe whole house of cards comes downAug 02 05:18
cubexyzand the old HP Laserjets were a lot better than the crap disposable printers they make nowAug 02 05:20
cubexyzonce I realized that microsoft didn't write new drivers for older peripherals it was an easy choice to avoid windowsAug 02 05:22
cubexyzLinux could do the same thing but I'm ready for thatAug 02 05:23
cubexyzI have multiple computers from different eras, some of them in storageAug 02 05:23
oiaohmcubexyz: Old machines build out of decent hardware.Aug 02 05:24
cubexyzyes exactlyAug 02 05:24
cubexyzthere's really a lot of junk in computer stores these daysAug 02 05:25
cubexyzit's kind of like an older person who knew how to fix carsAug 02 05:27
cubexyzthey could keep that old car going almost indefinitelyAug 02 05:27
cubexyzat least maximize it's lifespanAug 02 05:28
oiaohmI custom build my out of server rated parts.Aug 02 05:29
oiaohmDoes pay for itself.Aug 02 05:29
MinceRDC to DC? how does that even work?Aug 02 05:29
MinceR111843 < cubexyz> the whole house of cards comes downAug 02 05:29
MinceRand that's when they ban and collect computers :>Aug 02 05:30
MinceR"bekuz turrism"Aug 02 05:30
cubexyzthey can't really ban computers, people need them to do their workAug 02 05:30
cubexyzplus the ISPs are making good moneyAug 02 05:31
MinceRif only they cared about thatAug 02 05:31
MinceRthe ISPs would make good money with "cloud"-only terminals tooAug 02 05:31
cubexyzno doubt the younger generation will stay on the upgrade treadmill until they learn betterAug 02 05:31
DaemonFCYeah, well, if you're going to buy a Windows laptop, just go to the Microsoft Store.Aug 02 05:38
oiaohmMinceR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_converter  DC to DC are very common using buck and insanely effective.  I shoud not said no coil.  No transforer single coil.  95% effectiveness.Aug 02 05:38
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oiaohmMinceR: it is techically possilbe to run a buck down converter off 240 after a dc rectifer.Aug 02 05:38
DaemonFCYou get one from Walmart or Best Buy or somewhere, it has so much crapware on it, it's barely usable, and after you spend hours digging it all out, it all comes back if you ever use the recovery partition. :PAug 02 05:38
MinceRoiaohm: oh, i thought you were talking about wireless power transmission :)Aug 02 05:39
oiaohmMinceR: I was comparing wireless to wired.Aug 02 05:39
MinceRi seeAug 02 05:39
oiaohmMinceR: ie buck is the best possilbe wired.Aug 02 05:39
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oiaohmMight be a danger to lifeAug 02 05:39
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oiaohmMain advantage of the transforer is isolation.Aug 02 05:40
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cubexyzha!Aug 02 06:08
cubexyzpatched xmmixAug 02 06:08
cubexyzused the old Redhat 7 patch filesAug 02 06:08
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DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K57dVZ4oHtQAug 02 06:15
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DaemonFCI've had that in my head since I played GTA V.Aug 02 06:15
gde33|2DaemonFC: here this will help https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APj2ArUy6v4Aug 02 06:20
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cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/new-desktop-better-than-windows-10.pngAug 02 06:22
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/627765096673091584Aug 02 06:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Yes, because Suse, Red Hat or Nginx live off the air...Aug 02 06:33
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/kstallett/status/627767532657737728Aug 02 06:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz I never understand people who use the cloud exclusively. It's useful sure but combined with local backup.Aug 02 06:34
schestowitzdepends on how one defines "cloud". Much of it is malicious.Aug 02 06:34
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Citrix, Red Hat Helping Startup CompaniesAug 02 06:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Codename CURE, A First Person, Co-operative Zombie Game Now On Linux | GamingOnLinuxAug 02 06:37
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schestowitzcubexyz: see logsAug 02 06:38
schestowitzI linked to thatAug 02 06:39
schestowitzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/new-desktop-better-than-windows-10.pngAug 02 06:39
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DaemonFChttps://stallman.org/archives/2015-may-aug.html#01_August_2015_%28Cab_drivers_protest_Guber%29Aug 02 06:54
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DaemonFCMy bf needed a ride to work today, but he lives 30 miles from me, so I gave him an Uber promo code for $30 credit towards a ride. The ride to work came out to $28.Aug 02 06:54
DaemonFCLet Uber pay for it, why not? He switches to a location that's closer to home next Monday anyway, so he won't need Uber again.Aug 02 06:55
cubexyzheheAug 02 07:11
msb__schestowitz: Thanks for the links to the articles about previous Nazism in Ukraine.  This article mentions the $5billion the US gave to support the new regime, and shows some of the Nazis in their uniforms.Aug 02 07:13
msb__schestowitz: The US has a similar history.  Wealthy US fascists provided 75% of the money for Hitler's military buildup.  The motive was simple: Socialism was threatening to cut off the richest 1% from their 99% of the profits.  So US capitalists financed Hitler to destroy Socialism in the USSR and Europe.Aug 02 07:16
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/profBury/status/627800581252497408Aug 02 07:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@profBury: Link http://t.co/fb8rKB5csP by @schestowitz is the most popular tweet in my news feed today.Aug 02 07:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linkis.com | WikiLeaks - Target Tokyo - Linkis.comAug 02 07:19
msb__schestowitz: The US government, totally under control by wealthy US businessmen, spent the rest of the 20th Century after WW2 attacking socialists, socialist revolutions, and socialist nations around the world, for the same reason, murdering tens of millions of people in the process.   http://cosmicpenguin.com/#American_Holocaust Aug 02 07:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone [ http://ur1.ca/g23vd ]Aug 02 07:20
msb__schestowitz: Oops, forgot the link for US fascists financing Hitler:   http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_NazisAug 02 07:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For EveryoneAug 02 07:22
msb__The US has always supported the harshest dictators it could find, as they could be relied on to suppress workers' movements in their nations, and thus keep their population available as slaves to the US corporate branches there.Aug 02 07:25
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Zidoo's 'X1' is a $59 Android media box thatAug 02 07:27
TweetTuxMachines                 touts its 4K prowess http://t.co/nxPAo88opJAug 02 07:27
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.neowin.net)Aug 02 07:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.neowin.net | Zidoo's 'X1' is a $59 Android media box that touts its 4K prowessAug 02 07:27
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     A 6-Raspberry Pi 2 Cluster To Run Drupal In TheAug 02 07:28
TweetTuxMachines                 Basement Has Been CreatedAug 02 07:28
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/NbE83ydSUJ (linuxg.net)Aug 02 07:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net | A 6-Raspberry Pi 2 Cluster To Run Drupal In The Basement Has Been Created | LinuxG.netAug 02 07:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     debian efforts wasted on uefi Aug 02 07:28
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/Pbqlri7166 (blog.einval.com)Aug 02 07:28
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/YU2RYG3ERd (techrights.org)Aug 02 07:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.einval.com | Steve's blogAug 02 07:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | UEFI - TechrightsAug 02 07:28
msb__schestowitz: Here's another US-Nazi connection, based on testimony and hundreds of photographs from Otto Skorzeny -- "Hitler's Commando" -- who was (is?) living in the US.  Aug 02 07:32
msb__The book is well worth the $10!Aug 02 07:33
msb__http://www.thebushconnection.com/Aug 02 07:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thebushconnection.com | The Bush Connection|IndexAug 02 07:33
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jblck/status/627804293693853696Aug 02 07:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jblck: @schestowitz Related: https://t.co/AMiUfVx76gAug 02 07:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jblck: What sort of murderous vermin would say,"We came, we saw, he died!" while smiling and laughing? Oh, Hillary Clinton https://t.co/R4b2nzo2JiAug 02 07:35
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jblck/status/627802290703892482Aug 02 07:36
msb__The truth about Libya (before Obama destroyed it):  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJURNC0e6EkAug 02 07:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Libya Truth (DnB Soundtrack) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/jld5s ]Aug 02 07:39
oiaohmschestowitz: EFI is a hard one.Aug 02 07:43
oiaohmschestowitz: Linux world has been living work broken BIOS implmentations with issues in updating before EFI appeared.Aug 02 07:43
oiaohmschestowitz: at least with EFI 2.5 we at long last get at OS netural way to tell the firmware to update.Aug 02 07:44
DaemonFCYou could already do that with the BIOS.Aug 02 07:52
DaemonFCAt least, Dell had a utility that let you update your BIOS while you were booted into Linux.Aug 02 07:52
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     KDE Announces the Beta of KDE ApplicationsAug 02 07:54
TweetTuxMachines                 15.08, Based on KDE Frameworks 5Aug 02 07:54
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/XMLV0Tn8sS (linux.softpedia.com)Aug 02 07:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | KDE Announces the Beta of KDE Applications 15.08, Based on KDE Frameworks 5 - SoftpediaAug 02 07:54
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XRevan86DaemonFC: Well, now every motherboard supports that.Aug 02 07:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Zorin OS 10 Core & Ultimate have arrivedAug 02 07:54
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/1MUilEtJ40 (zoringroup.com)Aug 02 07:54
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/yOpC35t1Bp (news.softpedia.com)Aug 02 07:54
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nbyf5Aug 02 07:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-zoringroup.com | Zorin OS 10 Core & Ultimate have arrived | The official Zorin BlogAug 02 07:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Zorin OS 10 Is Out, the Best, Most Beautiful Release Yet, Based on Ubuntu 15.04 - Screenshot Tour - SoftpediaAug 02 07:54
oiaohmDaemonFC: custom motherboards from all over the place would come with a dos update only program.Aug 02 08:00
oiaohmDaemonFC: or worseAug 02 08:00
oiaohmDaemonFC: yes worse a Windows only update program.Aug 02 08:00
oiaohmDaemonFC: Dell some models did not work with generic linux update tool either.Aug 02 08:00
XRevan86I have a Windows PE CD-R for updating BIOS :).Aug 02 08:03
oiaohmXRevan86: Yep a horible I want to never have to use again.Aug 02 08:03
schestowitzhttp://www.itv.com/news/channel/2015-07-31/s/Aug 02 08:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itv.com | Henry Cavill talks his new movie, fear of flying, and 'that' Siam Cup | Channel - ITV News [ http://ur1.ca/nbyi6 ]Aug 02 08:05
schestowitzgossip and crapAug 02 08:06
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     You Can Now Upload Screenshots To ImgurAug 02 08:13
TweetTuxMachines                 Directly From Elementary OS, Via The ImgurAug 02 08:13
TweetTuxMachines                 Uploader Contractor PluginAug 02 08:13
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/c4FQUKAbZa (linuxg.net)Aug 02 08:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net | You Can Now Upload Screenshots To Imgur Directly From Elementary OS, Via The Imgur Uploader Contractor Plugin | LinuxG.netAug 02 08:13
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Pixman Baking ARMv6, PowerPC 64 ImprovementsAug 02 08:13
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/sjevaDwImw (www.phoronix.com)Aug 02 08:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Pixman Baking ARMv6, PowerPC 64 Improvements - PhoronixAug 02 08:13
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     "KDEPIM 5.0 is the port of kdepim to kf5/qt5."Aug 02 08:14
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/tybOSdqEqH (www.aegiap.eu) "I justAug 02 08:14
TweetTuxMachines                 started the port of rsibreak to KF5."Aug 02 08:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.aegiap.eu | What's in my mind » KDEPIM 5.0Aug 02 08:14
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/LTImNtA8dE (tsdgeos.blogspot.com)Aug 02 08:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tsdgeos.blogspot.com | TSDgeos' blog: rsibreak port to KF5 started!Aug 02 08:14
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     LibreOffice 5.0 Arrives on August 5, Here'sAug 02 08:29
TweetTuxMachines                 What's New http://t.co/DRaxIWFVYZAug 02 08:29
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Aug 02 08:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice 5.0 Arrives on August 5, Here's What's New | Tux MachinesAug 02 08:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android Studio focuses on C++ editingAug 02 08:29
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/rL7bPmMQcY (www.infoworld.com)Aug 02 08:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infoworld.com | Android Studio focuses on C++ editing | InfoWorldAug 02 08:29
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Top 5 Best New Free Android Games of July 2015Aug 02 08:29
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/MUHkVS2qHv (heavy.com) Action GamesAug 02 08:29
TweetTuxMachines                 of July 2015 http://t.co/RX56FWzaq0 (heavy.com)Aug 02 08:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-heavy.com | Top 5 Best New Free Android Games of July 2015 | Heavy.comAug 02 08:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-heavy.com | Top 5 Best New Android Action Games of July 2015 | Heavy.comAug 02 08:29
DaemonFChttps://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_et_md_pl?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdMsgID=MxE7SNAYBU5E15&cdMsgNo=36&cdPage=2&cdSort=oldest&cdThread=Tx2ZTJ9Q7SHBDB#MxE7SNAYBU5E15Aug 02 08:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: Senator Al Franken asks the DoJ to investigate Apple for possible illegal activity regarding their app store. [ http://ur1.ca/nbysv ]Aug 02 08:52
DaemonFChttp://www.businessinsider.com/no-more-storage-on-iphone-6-16gb-2015-2Aug 02 08:52
DaemonFCThis woman got the 16 GB iPhone 6 thinking she'd be fine because her storage needs weren't big. I'll just quote her.Aug 02 08:52
DaemonFC---Aug 02 08:52
DaemonFC"So why 16GB? I'm not a big app user, I use Spotify but my phone isn't loaded with music, and I don't download movies and TV shows.Aug 02 08:52
DaemonFC16GB, at the time of purchase, seemed like the perfect amount of space. I was wrong. Very wrong. Storage nearly full. 'Your phone is full, your phone is full, your phone is full.' That message will haunt me forever."Aug 02 08:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | No More Storage On iPhone 6 16GB - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/nbyt0 ]Aug 02 08:52
DaemonFC[..]Aug 02 08:53
DaemonFC"It seemed that within weeks of purchasing the 16GB iPhone 6, I was constantly making concessions in order to get everything I wanted on the phone. 'Oh, you want to take 50 photos? You can only take 37 because you have too many photos already,' my phone would tell me. I scrambled to delete Facebook more than once in the time I had the 16GB phone in order to free up space. Often it was a good method, but sometimes it wasn't enough. Why was I Aug 02 08:53
DaemonFCpaying so much for this phone if I wasn't even able to use it without having a panic attack?"Aug 02 08:53
DaemonFC---Aug 02 08:53
DaemonFCSo, that corroborates my claim that the first thing the 16 GB iPhone 6 will do is run out of space, even if you think you won't be storing much of anything on it. An iPhone with 16 GB of storage isn't even funny anymore. It's just crippleware that's there to make them seem like they are competitive with the Galaxy S6. Plain and simple.Aug 02 08:53
DaemonFCLike Trevor Philips says in Grand Theft Auto V (you can't play it on a Mac, btw), "You only have yourself to blame!".Aug 02 08:53
DaemonFCApple sucks. Aug 02 08:53
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android M Preview 3 Release Delayed as GoogleAug 02 08:59
TweetTuxMachines                 Works on “Near Final” BuildAug 02 08:59
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/FIcxnzLkVe (www.droid-life.com)Aug 02 08:59
TweetTuxMachines                 #android #linuxAug 02 08:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.droid-life.com | Android M Preview 3 Release Delayed as Google Works on “Near Final” Build | Droid LifeAug 02 08:59
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Fedora 22 on Cubietruck https://t.co/qhnpBf0kD7Aug 02 09:00
TweetTuxMachines                 (blogs.gnome.org)Aug 02 09:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://blogs.gnome.org/ignatenko/2015/07/31/fedora-22-on-cubietruck/ )Aug 02 09:00
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linaro VLANd v0.3  http://t.co/bHv8ZtwydoAug 02 09:00
TweetTuxMachines                 (blog.einval.com)Aug 02 09:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.einval.com | Steve's blogAug 02 09:00
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/627829839760891904Aug 02 09:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Civilian planes shot down by Russian AAA: 0. Civilian planes shot down by Ukraine: 1. Clearly MH17 is Russia's blame.Aug 02 09:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Zorin OS 10 Core & Ultimate have arrivedAug 02 09:23
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    http://t.co/1MUilEtJ40 (zoringroup.com)Aug 02 09:23
TweetTuxMachines @tokvbok        http://t.co/yOpC35t1Bp (news.softpedia.com)Aug 02 09:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-zoringroup.com | Zorin OS 10 Core & Ultimate have arrived | The official Zorin BlogAug 02 09:23
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nbz19Aug 02 09:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Zorin OS 10 Is Out, the Best, Most Beautiful Release Yet, Based on Ubuntu 15.04 - Screenshot Tour - SoftpediaAug 02 09:23
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Adventure RPG 'Evoland 2' Release DateAug 02 09:23
TweetTuxMachines                 Announced, Linux Release Shortly AfterAug 02 09:23
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/BCvKWAq8WE (www.gamingonlinux.com)Aug 02 09:23
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nbz1cAug 02 09:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Adventure RPG 'Evoland 2' Release Date Announced, Linux Release Shortly After | GamingOnLinuxAug 02 09:23
schestowitzhttp://www.postbulletin.com/news/local/day-in-history-preparations-in-place-for-airport-dedication/article_dfa4c520-089d-5f7f-a0f9-dd415693de58.htmlAug 02 09:35
schestowitz"One year ago: The CIA's insistence that it did not spy on its Senate overseers collapsed with the release of a stark report by the agency's internal watchdog documenting improper computer surveillance and obstructionist behavior by CIA officers. The death toll from the worst recorded Ebola outbreak in history surpassed 700 in West Africa.'Aug 02 09:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.postbulletin.com | Day in History: Preparations in place for airport dedication - PostBulletin.com: Local [ http://ur1.ca/nbz4i ]Aug 02 09:35
schestowitzcrackingAug 02 09:35
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Casual Clickers 'AdVenture Capitalist' AndAug 02 09:51
TweetTuxMachines                 'Time Clickers' Now On Steam For LinuxAug 02 09:51
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/EVHRiWlcBb (www.gamingonlinux.com)Aug 02 09:51
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nbz7tAug 02 09:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Casual Clickers 'AdVenture Capitalist' And 'Time Clickers' Now On Steam For Linux | GamingOnLinuxAug 02 09:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     "This month I have been paid to work 15 hoursAug 02 09:51
TweetTuxMachines                 on Debian LTS." https://t.co/56RswpWpSvAug 02 09:51
TweetTuxMachines                 (raphaelhertzog.com)Aug 02 09:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-raphaelhertzog.com | My Free Software Activities in July 2015Aug 02 09:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Another German (Sirko Kemter) who defected fromAug 02 09:52
TweetTuxMachines                 suse to fedora http://t.co/369zfp2sG2Aug 02 09:52
TweetTuxMachines                 (karl-tux-stadt.de)Aug 02 09:52
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nbz88Aug 02 09:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-karl-tux-stadt.de | Karl-Tux-Stadt » Blog Archi » Flock UpdateAug 02 09:52
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Don't Be Patchman Is The First Game On Steam ToAug 02 09:52
TweetTuxMachines                 Be Linux Only https://t.co/U08LxpF5rxAug 02 09:52
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.gamingonlinux.com)Aug 02 09:52
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nbz89Aug 02 09:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Don't Be Patchman Is The First Game On Steam To Be Linux Only | GamingOnLinuxAug 02 09:52
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/627839294770683904Aug 02 09:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Because "democracy".Aug 02 09:53
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6414116Aug 02 09:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "armies of automated takedown bots to generate censorship demands without human oversight" https://boingboing.net/2015/07/27/when-it-comes-to-censorship-w.html should be illegal w/ finesAug 02 09:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> boingboing.net | When it comes to censorship, WordPress has your back - Boing Boing [ http://ur1.ca/nbz8s ]Aug 02 09:54
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6417003Aug 02 09:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "KDEPIM 5.0 is the port of kdepim to kf5/qt5." http://www.aegiap.eu/kdeblog/2015/08/kdepim-5-0/ "I just started the port of rsibreak to KF5." http://tsdgeos.blogspot.com/2015/08/rsibreak-port-to-kf5-started.html #kdeAug 02 09:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.aegiap.eu | What's in my mind » KDEPIM 5.0 [ http://ur1.ca/nbz8v ]Aug 02 09:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> tsdgeos.blogspot.com | TSDgeos' blog: rsibreak port to KF5 started! [ http://ur1.ca/nbz8w ]Aug 02 09:54
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/627840015578628096Aug 02 09:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Everyone loves democracy as long as they are in the majority.Aug 02 09:56
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/627841070982909953Aug 02 10:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Democracy means the power of the majority. Full stop. Rule of law and separate, limited powers are not a necessary consequence.Aug 02 10:04
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cubexyzanother example of how old ways can sometimes be better...Aug 02 10:08
cubexyzxmms has the ability to load configuration filesAug 02 10:09
cubexyzkmix, at least in KDE 3.5 doesn't have thatAug 02 10:09
msb__cubexyz: xmms is an old music player that can associate equalizer files with songs, but I think you meant something else.Aug 02 10:15
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/PObean/status/627846007708123136Aug 02 10:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PObean: RT Our world is becoming a political freak show when people who attack democracy say they spread it and pro is "fo… https://t.co/RLG4l3FluaAug 02 10:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Our world is becoming a political freak show when people who attack democracy say they spread it and pro #censorship is "for free speech"Aug 02 10:21
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/627852983674478592Aug 02 10:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Indeed. Say you do it for decency, for peace, for enlightened despotism if you will, just not free spewch.Aug 02 10:47
cubexyzmsb__, yes Aug 02 10:51
cubexyzI meant xmmixAug 02 10:51
msb__schestowitz: It's simply large-scale psychopathic lying.   A psychopath cop shouts "Stop resisting!" when he's clubbing a person  who's face down on the ground.  If someone can't clearly see  what's happening, and trusts the police, then the lie is believed.   It's a very standard psychopath technique, used by bullies everywhere. Aug 02 10:53
msb__Likewise, if the psychopath US govt/corporate complex wants to get rid of  Gaddafi because he's a socialist, and that's bad for profits,  and the govt/corps controls the commercial media, it has the media  shout over and over that Gaddafi is a terrorist dictator.  Bernays  told them that if they do that they will be believed. Aug 02 10:54
msb__Then the US finds this militia (who are just gangsters who want  to steal the oil and keep the profits) who claim to be a pro-democracy  party, and gives them guns, and murders Gaddafi, and converts the nation  which had had the highest standard of living in Africa (thanks to Gaddafi's  socialism) into a seething hellhole of poverty and death.  And the US  claims over and over to have supported democracy because it got rid  of a Aug 02 10:54
msb__terrorist dictator.  And it is believed. Aug 02 10:54
cubexyzI wonder what happened to Michael SlagerAug 02 10:55
msb__Who he?Aug 02 10:55
cubexyzremember the guy who shot Walter Scott while he was trying to run away?Aug 02 10:56
cubexyzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Walter_ScottAug 02 10:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Shooting of Walter Scott - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nbzos ]Aug 02 10:57
msb__Fired and charged with murder.  Because he was caught on video.Aug 02 10:59
cubexyzyesAug 02 10:59
msb__That's the key.  If there are lots of accurate alternative news sites (there are a dozen or two) that tell the truth about what the US is doing, and enough people read them, then the US can't get away with it.Aug 02 11:03
msb__RT is picking up info from some of these sites and broadcasting it on US cable TV!Aug 02 11:05
cubexyzRT?Aug 02 11:06
msb__Russia TodayAug 02 11:06
msb__rt.comAug 02 11:06
msb__They actually did a documentary on 911.  Said the towers were brought down by explosives.  Compared it to Operation Gladio.Aug 02 11:07
msb__They have Jesse Ventura on, who did such good documentaries on TV that he had to flee to Mexico.  Even though he'd been governor of Minnesota.Aug 02 11:09
msb__Real news on American TV!!!Aug 02 11:10
msb__I just found out about it.Aug 02 11:10
msb__They did a story about Israeli atrocities in Gaza, bombing houses while people slept.  They gave casualty figures in the thousands.Aug 02 11:11
msb__They had an economist on who recommended that people be given a Basic Income, enough to live on, because technology had eliminated so many of the jobs.Aug 02 11:15
msb__This is just in the three days that I've been watching it.Aug 02 11:16
msb__Maybe there's hope.  Maybe our species isn't going to destroy itself.Aug 02 11:16
msb__It's gonna be close.  There's a lot of methane hydrate (clathrate) in the polar oceans, and it's starting to melt and the methane is bubbling up.  It's 100 times as powerful as CO2 as a greenhouse gas.  Aug 02 11:21
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msb__It's melting because the temperature is rising, and vice versa.  Regenerative.  There could be a huge temperature jump.Aug 02 11:22
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cubexyzthere's some talk of that happening during the Permian extinctionAug 02 11:24
msb__There's too much profit in burning coal and oil for the govt to tell corporations to stop it.  So the govt is secretly spraying nano-particles of aluminum into the atmosphere to reflect the sunlight, but it's poisoning everything.Aug 02 11:25
msb__http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/Aug 02 11:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geoengineeringwatch.org | Geoengineering Watch | Exposing the climate engineering/geoengineering cover-upAug 02 11:25
cubexyzaccording to the EPA the atmospheric methane concentrations remained between 400-800 ppb between 600,000 BC to 1900 ADAug 02 11:27
cubexyzsince 1900 they have risen to 1600-1800 ppbAug 02 11:27
msb__It can be seen bubbling up in some places in the oceans.Aug 02 11:28
msb__That's a huge increase!Aug 02 11:29
cubexyzhaha, all the windows peeps are checking out my new desktopAug 02 11:30
cubexyzhumourousAug 02 11:31
cubexyzmsb__, there's a SciFi novel about the clathrate gun hypothesisAug 02 11:31
cubexyzwe'll have to adapt to warmer temperaturesAug 02 11:34
msb__I just remembered a great TV series or movie about a building that people would go into, but when they came out they'd be in a parallel time-line.  I think some kind of machine did it.  And in one of the lines some guys had an A-bomb.Aug 02 11:34
msb__Some of us would have to adapt to breathing water.Aug 02 11:34
cubexyzthere was a movie from 2003 called WebsAug 02 11:37
msb__Interesting!  But there was no spider in the one I saw.Aug 02 11:39
cubexyzI remember seeing one movie from the 1970s with a teleporting robotAug 02 11:40
cubexyznever could find it againAug 02 11:40
cubexyzyou might remember Tim O'Connor did a few SciFi showsAug 02 11:42
msb__Don't know him.  IMDB has 3 of them.Aug 02 11:48
cubexyzBuck Rogers?Aug 02 11:49
cubexyzThe Man with the Power (1977)Aug 02 11:49
cubexyzthe one from 1977 is quite difficult to findAug 02 11:49
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msb__The-Power-1968-SuzannePleshette,MiklosRozsa is goodAug 02 11:52
msb__Michael Rennie is in it, I thinkAug 02 11:52
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msb__Miklos Rozsa's music is great!Aug 02 11:55
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/opendna/status/627870996633096192Aug 02 12:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@opendna: @schestowitz Which country are you referring to?Aug 02 12:00
schestowitzSo manyAug 02 12:00
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gde33|2msb__: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3479316/Aug 02 12:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | Parallels (2015) - IMDbAug 02 12:45
msb__gde33|2: Thanks!  That's it!!!Aug 02 12:53
msb__gde33|2: Sez here it is being made into a series.  I thought it seemed like a pilot.  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3479316/board/thread/246740492Aug 02 12:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | They ARE developing this into a series! - IMDb [ http://ur1.ca/nc0nw ]Aug 02 12:58
DaemonFCJ. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Aug 02 13:05
DaemonFCI already told you that anyone who would buy an iPhone deserves to be robbed blind by AT&T as well. Aug 02 13:05
DaemonFCI never lose reception with Sprint, even when I'm bicycling through corn country. I'm listening to Spotify the entire way. Aug 02 13:05
DaemonFCOnly a fool would pay twice as much to AT&T, knowing that they'll lose signal all the time, and then have to lug around thousands of MP3 files, which brings me to my next point. Most Mac users pirate their music files too. At the height of the iPod's sales, there was only enough music sold through the iTunes store to average out to one album per iPod sold, and since nobody would pay $250 for an iPod so that they could listen to Bono wailing Aug 02 13:05
DaemonFC"I can feeeeeeeeel!!!! Feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel!" like someone is sending a cat through a garbage disposal, it's obvious where most of their music came from. :) Aug 02 13:05
schestowitz>> I saw this, I wrote about it this morning, and given who writes and promotes this, it's just Microsoft marketing disguised as "history".Aug 02 13:14
schestowitz>Aug 02 13:14
schestowitz> Where did you write about it, can i have a link?Aug 02 13:14
schestowitz> - break -Aug 02 13:14
schestowitzIt would be hard for me to find it now. It was days ago in Twitter and then in one of the Vista 10 articles in techrights.Aug 02 13:14
schestowitz>Aug 02 13:14
schestowitz> See this regarding the NoMoreClipBoard hack .. absolutely no mention of Microsoft Windows .. No doubt the 'health vault' was stored in the Microsoft cloud ...Aug 02 13:14
schestowitz>Aug 02 13:14
schestowitz>Aug 02 13:14
schestowitz> http://www.in.gov/activecalendar/EventList.aspx?view=EventDetails&eventidn=222333&information_id=217385Aug 02 13:14
schestowitz>Aug 02 13:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.in.gov | [ATG] AG Zoeller urges credit freeze in wake of data breach affecting 1.5 million Hoosiers - 7/30/2015 - IN.GOV [ http://ur1.ca/nc0th ]Aug 02 13:14
schestowitz> http://www.mieweb.com/news/posts/273Aug 02 13:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mieweb.com | MIE announces support for Microsoft HealthVault: Medical Informatics EngineeringAug 02 13:14
schestowitz>Aug 02 13:14
schestowitz> https://securityledger.com/2015/07/doctors-still-in-the-dark-after-electronics-records-hack-exposes-data-on-4-million/Aug 02 13:14
schestowitz>Aug 02 13:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-securityledger.com | Doctors Still In the Dark After Electronics Records Hack Exposes Data on 4 Million | The Security Ledger [ http://ur1.ca/nc0ti ]Aug 02 13:14
schestowitz> https://www.nomoreclipboard.com/providers/about/partnersAug 02 13:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nomoreclipboard.com | NoMoreClipboard > Providers > About [ http://ur1.ca/nc0tj ]Aug 02 13:14
schestowitz>Aug 02 13:14
schestowitzMicrosoft's 'vault' is mentioned in that last one. No doubt a vault with back door access... for 'national security' of course...Aug 02 13:14
schestowitzDaemonFC: indianaAug 02 13:14
schestowitzMS windowsAug 02 13:14
schestowitzand 'cloud'Aug 02 13:14
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     OS showdown: Windows 10 vs LinuxAug 02 13:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OS showdown: Windows 10 vs Linux | Tux MachinesAug 02 13:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     DiRT Showdown Confirmed For Linux By VirtualAug 02 13:18
TweetTuxMachines                 Programming, Pre-orders Open UpAug 02 13:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | DiRT Showdown Confirmed For Linux By Virtual Programming, Pre-orders Open Up | GamingOnLinuxAug 02 13:18
cubexyzNadella is trying to sucker folks back to windowsAug 02 13:19
DaemonFCschestowitz, Yeah, I know.Aug 02 13:19
cubexyze.g. android usersAug 02 13:19
DaemonFCIt's not like a credit freeze helps.Aug 02 13:19
DaemonFCHow many times can they leak your Social Security Number? :PAug 02 13:19
DaemonFCThey'll offer two years of free credit monitoring and ID protection if they send you a letter saying you were affected.Aug 02 13:26
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Steve Litt (Debian): "He who forgetsAug 02 14:01
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TweetTuxMachines                 Documents" https://t.co/uOzSjEEToyAug 02 14:02
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat support evolves with new AccessAug 02 14:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-searchdatacenter.techtarget.com | Red Hat support evolves with new Access Insights servicesAug 02 14:02
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Shallow Space Looks Like The Spaceship RTS GameAug 02 14:20
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux Is Needing, Some ThoughtsAug 02 14:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Shallow Space Looks Like The Spaceship RTS Game Linux Is Needing, Some Thoughts | GamingOnLinuxAug 02 14:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Nextbit phone will “easily stand out” and beAug 02 14:21
TweetTuxMachines                 priced affordibly http://t.co/MLk3YmhWS9Aug 02 14:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com | Sony closing its online store this August 28thAug 02 14:21
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android Leftovers http://t.co/TkSS2oEG8CAug 02 14:21
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Debian http://t.co/fncLYE8YOlAug 02 14:21
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat and Fedora http://t.co/tFGktUlqKNAug 02 14:25
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     KDE and Akademy http://t.co/pWP13pEZHdAug 02 14:26
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/zhWPbnNaTWAug 02 14:26
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coleaFYI just in case, maybe late but anyways; http://www.techradar.com/us/news/software/applications/windows-mail-services-hit-by-widespread-outages-1290532Aug 02 15:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techradar.com | Windows mail services hit by widespread outages | TechRadar [ http://ur1.ca/nc1vk ]Aug 02 15:30
coleathxAug 02 15:31
coleaI"m so sorry didnt see the dateAug 02 15:38
coleawas hung up on troll replies to Linux Formax article on OS Showdown: windows 10 vs LinuxAug 02 15:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos http://t.co/THKCjryMIhAug 02 16:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesAug 02 16:23
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's leftovers http://t.co/EDd8nRtfkLAug 02 16:23
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Software http://t.co/pfP85dQkEmAug 02 16:23
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schestowitzcolea: hiAug 02 16:46
schestowitzthanks for the linkAug 02 16:46
schestowitzI just looked at itAug 02 16:46
schestowitzlike IDG, esp. PCWorld, the data isn't statedAug 02 16:46
schestowitzThere were some issues like that a while backAug 02 16:46
schestowitze.g. Aug 02 16:46
schestowitz!google uk parliament microsoft emailAug 02 16:46
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Microsoft in the dark after Parliamentary email disrupted for three days | http://www.computerweekly.com/news/4500248972/Microsoft-in-the-dark-after-Parliamentary-email-disrupted-for-three-daysAug 02 16:46
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - The only way is Office: UK Parliament to migrate to Microsoft cloud ... | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/12/03/parliament_heads_for_ms/Aug 02 16:46
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - EU Parliament blocks Microsoft Outlook apps ... - SC Magazine UK | http://www.scmagazineuk.com/eu-parliament-blocks-microsoft-outlook-apps-over-privacy-fears/article/397332/Aug 02 16:46
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Members of the European Parliament are banned from using ... | http://www.businessinsider.com/outlook-banned-members-european-parliament-security-fears-2015-2Aug 02 16:46
coleaIt's an old one. I'm sorry for not taking a closer look. But on another not it linked to 14 mil. users upgrading to win10 w/the usual recipe of success.Aug 02 16:49
coleaand the the trolls bashing on the commenter stating the 10 mil failure.Aug 02 16:50
colea"not"=noteAug 02 16:52
coleaThis is the crap they're trying to sell...Aug 02 17:01
coleahttp://www.techradar.com/us/news/software/operating-systems/14m-people-have-taken-the-windows-10-plunge-says-microsoft-1300774Aug 02 17:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techradar.com | 14m people have taken the Windows 10 plunge, says Microsoft | TechRadar [ http://ur1.ca/nc2qu ]Aug 02 17:01
coleaDon't know where they're getting those numbers from.Aug 02 17:02
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schestowitz[22:02] <colea> Don't know where they're getting those numbers from.Aug 02 17:30
schestowitzMicrosoft has a long history of lying about these numbersAug 02 17:31
schestowitzthough it can take a while for people to see the numbers not making senseAug 02 17:31
schestowitzlike web share statsAug 02 17:31
schestowitzthe def of what they count is BSAug 02 17:31
schestowitzso they bias the number by counting something like "licences"Aug 02 17:31
schestowitzmeaning PCs in warehousesAug 02 17:31
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schestowitzwith vista 10 on themAug 02 17:32
schestowitzand licences issues to businesses in bulk, e.g. "you may now install this on up to 1000 PCs" (which Microsoft calls 1000 'sales')Aug 02 17:32
schestowitzthe count is different in this case because for existing users there is no associated cost, but they can still add this figure to one pertaining to machines (not sold) with vista 10 "allowed" on themAug 02 17:33
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coleaThanks for the clarification; Didn't know those counted.Aug 02 17:46
coleaHope link I posted didn't go to techrights. If it did, I will post no more links.Aug 02 17:48
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MinceRmsb__: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford#The_Dearborn_Independent_and_anti-Semitism   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_HolocaustAug 02 18:07
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msb__MinceR: did you see this stuff?   http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_NazisAug 02 18:13
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MinceRnot yetAug 02 18:17
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Canonical Closes SQLite Vulnerabilities in AllAug 02 18:20
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DaemonFCschestowitz, Regarding Uber.... I tried to sign up to be a driver just because I have a car and I don't use it very much. It's an older car, but it's been very reliable. It's not a clunker at all.Aug 02 19:25
DaemonFCThey told me it had to be a 2005 or newer.Aug 02 19:25
DaemonFCI pretty much agree with South Park about these apps though. Taxi companies hate it because it's taking away their business, but that's not reason enough to shut down the apps.Aug 02 19:26
DaemonFCThat's like saying that there should have been a law forcing people to buy ice after the refrigerator replaced the icebox. Or saying that there should be a law to protect the RIAA because people can download free MP3s somewhere else.Aug 02 19:27
DaemonFCWhen people say there ought to be a law, there frequently should be no such thing.Aug 02 19:27
DaemonFCWe have well over 40,000 defined criminal acts here in the United States at the federal level alone, an it hasn't exactly made us a better society.Aug 02 19:27
DaemonFCIf a person is happy to work for what Uber pays them, and the customer saves money vs. calling a cab, then why does the government need to get in the middle of this?Aug 02 19:28
DaemonFCIf anything, you'd think that Richard Stallman would be glad that the drivers don't have to rely on tips (he's made his opinion clear that he hates tipping and what people are paid should be settled between them and their employer).Aug 02 19:29
DaemonFCI do think that maybe there should be some regulations on Uber to make it more like a form of employment.Aug 02 19:30
DaemonFCIt's good that they send tax reporting forms to the IRS, so that people can't do this under the table and not pay their share of taxes.Aug 02 19:31
DaemonFChttp://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2014/07/18/uber_drivers_in_dallas_and_new_york_city_make_much_less_than_the_company.htmlAug 02 19:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.slate.com | Uber drivers in Dallas and New York City make much less than the company claims. [ http://ur1.ca/nc3yx ]Aug 02 19:33
DaemonFCStallman calls it "Guber" because he said that they pay peanuts. (Goober is a word meaning "peanut", and the name of a brand of chocolate covered peanuts)Aug 02 19:34
DaemonFCI don't think that $27 an hour is anything to complain about.Aug 02 19:34
DaemonFC“You can make $4,000 clean a month,” he said. “I mean, you make more than $5,000 but then you have to pay 20 percent to Uber, fees for your car, and gas.”Aug 02 19:35
DaemonFCOne of the drivers said that, and that he's very happy with the arrangement.Aug 02 19:36
DaemonFCSo, naturally, the government would need to ruin it.Aug 02 19:36
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DaemonFCI was talking about Apple on Amazon again.Aug 02 20:00
DaemonFC"I just wish that I could find one of their users that admits that Apple software is always version 0.9, followed by version 0.9, followed by version 0.9. "Aug 02 20:00
DaemonFChttp://www.geek.com/android/microsoft-continues-android-push-with-arrow-launcher-1629514/Aug 02 20:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geek.com | Microsoft continues Android push with Arrow Launcher | Android | Geek.com [ http://ur1.ca/nc4at ]Aug 02 20:11
DaemonFCOh perfect. Microsoft "leveraged" deals to get MS Office on Android phones as a "system app". O frabjous day!Aug 02 20:12
MinceReven on android, m$ gets to foist their broken crap on usersAug 02 20:13
DaemonFCYeah. Can't they just go screw up their own operating system>Aug 02 20:37
MinceRthey already didAug 02 20:37
MinceRi guess they're like redcrap -- screwing up just their own stuff just isn't enoughAug 02 20:37
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oiaohmThe big problem I have is most people complain that Systemd is not Unix enough.   Ok what is a core point of Unix.  ***Everything is a File***Aug 02 20:55
oiaohmPID number is no a file.Aug 02 20:55
oiaohmProcess is linked to a cgroup by a filehandle.    The existence of a cgroup can be a file-handle.Aug 02 20:56
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oiaohmThe reality is systemd way of tracking processors more Unix than sysvinit.Aug 02 20:57
oiaohmAlso BSD tty tracking of processors is also a filehandle based solution.Aug 02 20:58
DaemonFCJ. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Aug 02 20:59
DaemonFCWell, that's Apple for you. His monkeys are still there and designing bad hardware too.Aug 02 20:59
DaemonFCThat decision to only ship the iPhone 6 with a gig of RAM is really going to bite people hard when iOS 9 is out, but you have to look at it from Apple's perspective.Aug 02 20:59
DaemonFCBy then, there will be another iPhone, and you won't be important anymore because you've owned your current phone for a whole year. Get back in there and give them more of your money! Aug 02 20:59
DaemonFCThe iPhone hardware isn't designed with anything past the iOS release that it shipped with in mind. Users find this out when they go to upgrade and it slows their phone down by 30% or more. Aug 02 21:01
oiaohmDaemonFC: what is the site you keep on reference.Aug 02 21:01
DaemonFC?Aug 02 21:02
DaemonFCFor what?Aug 02 21:02
DaemonFCI mostly comment on Amazon Forums.Aug 02 21:03
oiaohmI was thinking J. R. Bob Dobbs could be a site.Aug 02 21:04
oiaohmSo that is a person on Amazon forumsAug 02 21:04
oiaohmRemember android devices with too little ram use zswap DaemonFCAug 02 21:05
oiaohmDoes iOS have compressed swap yet.Aug 02 21:05
oiaohmTo be correct zswap and zramAug 02 21:14
oiaohmDamage performance slightly but pack more data into ram.Aug 02 21:14
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DaemonFCIt's me on that forum.Aug 02 22:37
DaemonFCzram doesn't seem to be helping my Chromebook anymore.Aug 02 22:37
DaemonFCI'm getting a lot of "He's dead, Jim!" tabs, which is what happens when it runs out of memory.Aug 02 22:37
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DaemonFCChrome uses an obscene amount of RAM.Aug 02 22:37
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coleaIs techrights.org down? Getting 403-Forbidden while reading vista-10-anticompetitiveAug 02 23:55
DaemonFCschestowitz, http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/feedback-diagnostics-privacy-faqAug 03 00:04
DaemonFC    Basic information is data that is vital to the operation of Windows. This data helps keep Windows and apps running properly by letting Microsoft know the capabilities of your device, what is installed, and whether Windows is operating correctly. This option also turns on basic error reporting back to Microsoft. If you select this option, we’ll be able to provide updates to Windows (through Windows Update, including malicious softwarAug 03 00:04
DaemonFCe protection by the Malicious Software Removal Tool), but some apps and features may not work correctly or at all.Aug 03 00:05
DaemonFC    Enhanced data includes all Basic data plus data about how you use Windows, such as how frequently or how long you use certain features or apps and which apps you use most often. This option also lets us collect enhanced diagnostic information, such as the memory state of your device when a system or app crash occurs, as well as measure reliability of devices, the operating system, and apps. If you select this option, we’ll be able tAug 03 00:05
DaemonFCo provide you with an enhanced and personalized Windows experience.Aug 03 00:05
DaemonFC    Full data includes all Basic and Enhanced data, and also turns on advanced diagnostic features that collect additional data from your device, such as system files or memory snapshots, which may unintentionally include parts of a document you were working on when a problem occurred. This information helps us further troubleshoot and fix problems. If an error report contains personal data, we won’t use that information to identifyAug 03 00:05
DaemonFC, contact, or target advertising to you. This is the recommended option for the best Windows experience and the most effective troubleshooting.Aug 03 00:05
DaemonFCThere is no "off". HehAug 03 00:09
msb__YOU WILL LOVE BIG BROTHER!Aug 03 00:10
msb__...Ministry of TruthAug 03 00:11
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schestowitzcolea: try againAug 03 00:39
schestowitzthere was a SELinux misconfiguration are work and reboot of the serverAug 03 00:39
schestowitzs/are/after/Aug 03 00:42
coleaIt works now. Was also getting "Rage Unresponsive" with Tuxmachines but it's working now. (from Rochester, NY)Aug 03 00:48
coleaThanksAug 03 00:50
coleaRage Unresponsive=Page UnresponsiveAug 03 00:52
DaemonFCI don't think these reviewers of Microsoft Edge have actually used it.Aug 03 01:00
DaemonFC"It's speedy!" Aug 03 01:00
DaemonFCIt's choking on ads and videos and garbage and crap and freezing up. You've got pop-ups flying everywhere.Aug 03 01:00
DaemonFCI didn't have to use it for five minutes before that happened.Aug 03 01:01
schestowitzcolea: it was rebooted also, disks moving aroundAug 03 01:10
schestowitzDaemonFC: which reviewers?Aug 03 01:10
schestowitzMS boosters?Aug 03 01:10
schestowitza lot of Vista 10 'reviews' were prepared in advance by Microsoft buddiesAug 03 01:10
schestowitznow it's down for actual users to write real reviewsAug 03 01:11
schestowitzafter Microsoft googlebombed it Aug 03 01:11
DaemonFCHmmm. Cortana went through my email, found an order from Amazon, and asked if I wanted to be told when it was delivered.Aug 03 01:20
schestowitzso I guess it informed MS and NSA tooAug 03 01:27
schestowitzThat's just gross invasionAug 03 01:27
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msb__FireChat -- mesh networking for phones!  This was just now on RT.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FireChatAug 03 01:32
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DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTBUAGLT1NsAug 03 02:59
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DaemonFC Mason Nasty 6 months agoAug 03 02:59
DaemonFCThis made it huge you assholeAug 03 02:59
DaemonFCLMAO!!!!Aug 03 02:59
DaemonFCMinceR, You'll be amused by this.Aug 03 02:59
DaemonFCThe iPhone users who put them in these cases leave them in their pockets while they go swimming or whatever, and then the water gets through the case and destroys the phone.Aug 03 03:00
DaemonFCAlso, they drop them and the screen breaks anyway, even though it was in an $80 case.Aug 03 03:00
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DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRV6PXB6QLkAug 03 04:02
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/yukia77suzune/status/628087755013132288Aug 03 04:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@yukia77suzune: @warpdx @Luna_Noctune windows Vista10Aug 03 04:13
schestowitzthw word is spresdingAug 03 04:13
schestowitzvista10Aug 03 04:13
DaemonFChttp://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/07/hear-how-steve-ballmer-bailed-out-xbox-after-red-ring-of-death/Aug 03 04:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Hear how Steve Ballmer bailed out Xbox after Red Ring of Death | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/n0im8 ]Aug 03 04:27
DaemonFC"The Red Ring of Death threatened to destroy the Xbox 360 and the entire Xbox brand."Aug 03 04:27
DaemonFCIt did for me. I got rid of it after the eighth refurb. I didn't see the point in spending $60 of my hard earned money per game only to have the console at Microsoft getting swapped out sooner than I could make it through a whole game.Aug 03 04:28
DaemonFCI think that the only game I ended up playing through was Oblivion because I went out and bought a third party accessory that attached to the back of the console and kept it from overheating as badly. Aug 03 04:29
DaemonFCIt was a Nyko Intercooler 360. They didn't do a very good job with the pass-through connector to the power supply either. There was more than one person who had it catch fire.Aug 03 04:30
DaemonFCMicrosoft's official statement was that any unlicensed accessory that damaged your console made the warranty void.Aug 03 04:31
cubexyzeveryboby knows....Aug 03 04:31
cubexyzMicrosoft blows :)Aug 03 04:32
cubexyzeverybody evenAug 03 04:32
DaemonFCI liked the original Xbox a lot, really.Aug 03 04:33
DaemonFCI did not like the 360 at all.Aug 03 04:34
DaemonFCWell, the original console anyway. The redesign solved those problems.Aug 03 04:34
DaemonFCcubexyz, Well, all of their products only get sorted out near the end of their life span.Aug 03 04:34
DaemonFCSony designed their PS 4 controller to fail about every year.Aug 03 04:38
DaemonFCIt has a built-in battery so you have to throw it in the trash when that battery dies and buy a new controller.Aug 03 04:38
DaemonFCI guess they decided that all the expensive games and a $500 console wheren't making them enough money.Aug 03 04:39
DaemonFCschestowitz, Microsoft isn't what it once was.Aug 03 04:40
DaemonFCI don't think they'll go out of business soon, but they're not as influential as they used to be.Aug 03 04:41
DaemonFChttp://www.howtogeek.com/219651/windows-10-allows-you-to-sideload-universal-apps-just-like-android-does/Aug 03 04:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.howtogeek.com | Windows 10 Allows You To Sideload Universal Apps, Just Like Android Does [ http://ur1.ca/nc7x7 ]Aug 03 04:42
DaemonFCIn practice, I think Windows Phone 10 and Android will effectively give the user about the same amount of freedom.Aug 03 04:42
DaemonFCStallman noted that while the proprietary bits of Android aren't technically part of AOSP, there doesn't exist a distribution without those components because it wouldn't really do much of anything without them.Aug 03 04:43
DaemonFCI guess it remains to be seen how this whole Universal Windows App thing plays out.Aug 03 04:47
DaemonFCUsers mostly ignored Windows store apps in Windows 8 because they wre unusable on the desktop and you could only use them full screen and they didn't work well with a mouse and keyboard.Aug 03 04:48
DaemonFCHmmm. Google added OpenDocument Format to Google Docs.Aug 03 04:52
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7T0AeF9W-8Aug 03 05:13
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DaemonFChttps://www.theverge.com/2014/11/6/7163789/microsoft-office-free-for-ipad-iphone-androidAug 03 05:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Microsoft's next surprise is free Office for iPad, iPhone, and Android | The Verge [ http://ur1.ca/nc89b ]Aug 03 05:29
DaemonFCShould be illegal.Aug 03 05:29
DaemonFCDumping "free" MS Office but only on Android, to try to keep people from figuring out that they have options.Aug 03 05:30
DaemonFCSubsidizing it with the money from the PC version.Aug 03 05:30
oiaohmDaemonFC: there is another catch.Aug 03 05:31
oiaohmMS Office for Android is only for 10inch or smaller Android devices.Aug 03 05:31
oiaohmFor freeAug 03 05:31
oiaohmYes 10.1 inch is not acceptable.Aug 03 05:32
DaemonFCYeah, that makes sense.Aug 03 05:32
DaemonFCIf it was free on the larger tablets, people would just dock a keyboard and use it that way.Aug 03 05:32
DaemonFCYou could hook up your phone to a TV or monitor thoughAug 03 05:33
oiaohmI have a strange one with KDE Plasma 5 Nvidia VDPAU don't load.Aug 03 05:33
oiaohmYet every other window manager I have tried so far it works perfectly.Aug 03 05:33
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cubexyzoiaohm, starting to get serious about figuring out the r300 video romAug 03 05:48
cubexyza video bios source code listing would be interesting to seeAug 03 05:52
oiaohmI think that video card is almost romless and depends on uploading firmwareAug 03 05:53
cubexyzwhere does the firmware come from?Aug 03 05:53
oiaohmcubexyz: from memory its in the Linux firmware directory.Aug 03 05:54
oiaohmand in the windows driver.Aug 03 05:54
oiaohmBoth AMD/ATI provided.Aug 03 05:54
cubexyzI'm running Linux thoughAug 03 05:54
oiaohmhttps://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-linux-nonfreeAug 03 05:58
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oiaohmYep is a microcode cubexyzAug 03 05:58
oiaohmmeaning the gpu is a brick without it.Aug 03 05:58
cubexyzyou're saying the video bios isn't on the card so where does the firmware come from? :)Aug 03 05:59
cubexyzI managed to grab it from /sys/devicesAug 03 05:59
oiaohmthat basic firmware is 2d only stuff.Aug 03 06:00
oiaohmcubexyz: so without the extra microcode the card basically suxs.Aug 03 06:01
cubexyzI have 3d working Aug 03 06:01
oiaohmLinux auto loads the firmwares cubexyzAug 03 06:01
oiaohmcubexyz: ls -l /lib/firmware/radeon/R300_cp.bin   that is the microcode.Aug 03 06:03
cubexyzfile not foundAug 03 06:03
oiaohmHmmAug 03 06:04
oiaohmcubexyz: system debian?Aug 03 06:04
cubexyzvector linux, based on slackwareAug 03 06:04
oiaohmcubexyz:  "R300_cp.bin"  check for that filename where ever slackware has it firmwares.Aug 03 06:05
oiaohmIts only 2kb insize.Aug 03 06:05
oiaohmcubexyz: find /lib/firmware -iname "R300_cp.bin"Aug 03 06:06
oiaohmComes to mind.Aug 03 06:07
cubexyzthat file isn't anywhereAug 03 06:07
oiaohmOk how big is the file you extracted from the card.Aug 03 06:07
oiaohmI cannot remember where ATI cards start being Microcode less.Aug 03 06:07
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cubexyzI think it was 128KAug 03 06:08
oiaohmIe not having the microcode in firmware.Aug 03 06:08
oiaohmI would guess 2kb of that is the gpu microcode.Aug 03 06:08
oiaohmNo GPU microcode no 3d acceleration.Aug 03 06:08
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6420321Aug 03 06:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Police in #Norway Haven’t Killed Anyone in Nearly 10 Years http://www.newsweek.com/police-norway-havent-killed-anyone-nearly-10-years-359074Aug 03 06:12
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schestowitz"they’ll just have to keep on practising"Aug 03 06:12
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Lava goes the Android One way with Pixel V1Aug 03 06:28
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Simplicity Linux 15.7 Officially Released,Aug 03 06:32
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cubexyzprogress is slow :-/Aug 03 06:50
cubexyzoh well, at least xmms is streaming on openbsd nowAug 03 06:51
cubexyzI've put a lot of work in configuring vector linuxAug 03 06:55
cubexyzthis linux guy is pretty funny:Aug 03 06:56
cubexyz"The one ray of hope is that maybe, just maybe, the thousands of Windows worms will go to war with each other and kill every Windows machine on earth. Though that would be a short-lived cure, because even after a Windows holocaust the first thing the survivors are going to do is get up, dust themselves off, and see if rebooting will bring their systems back up."Aug 03 06:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Vendetta Online 1.8.346 MMORPG Available NowAug 03 07:00
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MinceRoiaohm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy   http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/taoup/html/ch01s06.htmlAug 03 10:26
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MinceRbreaks rules (from esr) 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 16 at the very leastAug 03 10:30
oiaohmMinceR: Eric S. Raymond rules you mean right.Aug 03 10:32
oiaohmMinceR: systemd is in fact modular this is why it could be built as shimAug 03 10:32
oiaohmSo systemd passes rule 1.Aug 03 10:32
oiaohmLike it or not.Aug 03 10:32
MinceRRule of Modularity: Write simple parts connected by clean interfaces.Aug 03 10:32
MinceRsystemd's interfaces are anything but clean.Aug 03 10:32
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MinceRlike it or not.Aug 03 10:33
MinceRthey declare interfaces as unstable and then proceed to use them.Aug 03 10:33
oiaohmThat is also wrong.Aug 03 10:33
oiaohmsystemd did define it interlinks around dbus.Aug 03 10:33
oiaohmThe interfaces are documented this is why replacements like consolekit2 logind has been possible.Aug 03 10:34
oiaohmAlso gentoo own remake of udev has also been possible to use with systemd.Aug 03 10:35
oiaohmSorry 1 is not it MinceRAug 03 10:35
oiaohmRule 3 is also in systemd design.Aug 03 10:36
MinceRwell, with such cognitive dissonance on your side, it's pointless to talk about itAug 03 10:36
MinceRrule 3: the only program systemd is designed to connect to is systemdAug 03 10:36
oiaohmLOLLOOOOOLLLLLAug 03 10:37
oiaohmSorry but systemd is designed to connect to more than systemd.Aug 03 10:37
MinceRyes, if we pretend that 'systemd-*' is different from systemdAug 03 10:37
oiaohmLOOLLLLLLAug 03 10:38
oiaohmhow much are going to get wrongAug 03 10:38
MinceRcertainly not as much as redcrapAug 03 10:38
oiaohmNopAug 03 10:38
oiaohmAgain wrong.Aug 03 10:38
oiaohmhave you ever looked at what systemd does in fact interface with.Aug 03 10:38
oiaohmNo you have not instead you have followed idiots MinceRAug 03 10:39
oiaohmLets ingnore the fact systemd is design to connect to syslog both ways.Aug 03 10:40
cubexyzother OSes will drop GNOME if they keep adding systemd dependencies to itAug 03 10:43
cubexyzthey'll say it's too much work to supportAug 03 10:43
oiaohmcubexyz: not at all.Aug 03 10:43
MinceRand nothing of value will be lostAug 03 10:43
oiaohmhave you not seen systembsdAug 03 10:43
MinceRhave you seen the struggles of companies trying to keep their products compatible with m$ products?Aug 03 10:44
oiaohmcubexyz: systembsd is implementing the functions of systemd classed as valueable in a compadible way.Aug 03 10:44
oiaohmcubexyz: this is done by the BSD guys themselves.Aug 03 10:44
XRevan86cubexyz: Void Linux supports GNOME while using runit.Aug 03 10:44
XRevan86they have loginkit as wellAug 03 10:45
oiaohmXRevan86: yep standard consolekit2Aug 03 10:45
XRevan86runit + consolekit2 + loginkit is good enough for GNOMEAug 03 10:45
XRevan86oiaohm: I didn't find any mentions of login1 in consolekit2 tree, by the way.Aug 03 10:45
MinceRthe bsd guys are adopting a bad interface that's designed to screw them overAug 03 10:45
MinceRlet's all rejoiceAug 03 10:45
oiaohmNot at all MinceRAug 03 10:45
cubexyzthere's no systemd in bsdAug 03 10:45
MinceRyeah, pay no attention to the man behind the curtainAug 03 10:46
oiaohmMinceR: were you not aware that consoltkit support multi seat right.Aug 03 10:46
MinceRcubexyz: that doesn't mean they can't adopt toxic designsAug 03 10:46
MinceRoiaohm: did i care?Aug 03 10:46
oiaohmI carred with redhat 7.2Aug 03 10:46
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MinceRoiaohm: the only people who [pretend to] worry about multiseat in 2015 are in the cancerd cabal.Aug 03 10:46
oiaohmWhen I could not connect to my mouse because of it.Aug 03 10:46
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MinceRoiaohm: was there systemd or consolekit in redhat 7.2?Aug 03 10:47
oiaohmconsolekit in redhat 7.2Aug 03 10:47
oiaohmand it was the one that decide I was logged by http server and cut my mouse off.Aug 03 10:47
cubexyzuh noAug 03 10:47
MinceRand yet you continue to promote itAug 03 10:47
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cubexyzthere's no consolekit until much later onAug 03 10:47
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oiaohmMinceR: I am premoting consolekit2Aug 03 10:47
cubexyzFC1 doesn't have consolekitAug 03 10:47
cubexyzI'm running it still so I knowAug 03 10:48
MinceRonce bsd starts to copy systemd, they'll lose all the advantages of bsd and will become worthless or deadAug 03 10:48
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cubexyzok, hold on, is there two different 7.2s?Aug 03 10:49
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MinceRi think he's confusing red hat 7.2 with RHEL 7.2Aug 03 10:49
MinceRvery differentAug 03 10:49
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XRevan86FreeBSD has advantages?Aug 03 10:49
MinceRperhaps not anymoreAug 03 10:49
MinceRthere's lots of love for crApple thereAug 03 10:49
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XRevan86MinceR: They're GPL-haters, no wonder they go for permissive Apple stuff.Aug 03 10:49
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cubexyzok, I meant red hat linux 7.2 Enigma released in oct 2001Aug 03 10:50
cubexyzjust to be clear :)Aug 03 10:50
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MinceRthat doesn't mean they have to go for crap design, thoughAug 03 10:50
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cubexyzanyways there's no systemd or systembsd in openbsdAug 03 10:51
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oiaohmcubexyz: there was something before consolekit.Aug 03 10:51
cubexyzwhat the heck is wrong with nj3ma :)Aug 03 10:51
oiaohmand it was horible.Aug 03 10:51
cubexyzwhat was it called?Aug 03 10:51
cubexyzMinceR, there definitely positively is no systemd or systembsd in openbsd :)Aug 03 10:52
MinceRi hope it stays that wayAug 03 10:52
oiaohmcubexyz: I remember now.Aug 03 10:52
oiaohmhaldAug 03 10:52
XRevan86oiaohm: HAL is no ConsoleKit predecessor.Aug 03 10:53
oiaohmEvil way to hand out what user should have access.Aug 03 10:53
oiaohmXRevan86: o yes it is for multi seat.Aug 03 10:53
oiaohmthere are hacked versions of it.Aug 03 10:53
MinceRwell, at least redcrap will solve that problem for youAug 03 10:53
MinceRthey'll move to obfuscated blobs you don't get to hackAug 03 10:53
oiaohmMinceR: no redhat did not.Aug 03 10:53
MinceRand even if you do, uefi won't let you run themAug 03 10:53
cubexyzI'm not thrilled with all the software chaos but that's the way it isAug 03 10:54
XRevan86oiaohm: It wasn't for multiseat but a hardware abstraction superseded by DeviceKit which later merged into udev.Aug 03 10:54
MinceRin this brave new worldAug 03 10:54
cubexyzLinux/BSD is the aggregation of a lot of different ideas from a lot of diffent peopleAug 03 10:54
oiaohmXRevan86: No X11 multi seat was done before consolekit.Aug 03 10:54
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oiaohmXRevan86: 4 video cards .....Aug 03 10:54
XRevan86oiaohm: I guess it was done on top of HAL.Aug 03 10:54
oiaohmXRevan86: it was done by swaping hal out.Aug 03 10:55
XRevan86but not HAL itselfAug 03 10:55
cubexyzso does any distro still use hal or hald?Aug 03 10:55
oiaohmWith a multiseat version.Aug 03 10:55
XRevan86cubexyz: FreeBSDAug 03 10:55
XRevan86oiaohm: Oh my…Aug 03 10:55
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oiaohmXRevan86: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg_multiseat  Without replacing HALd with a smarter version you have to manually configure everything.Aug 03 10:59
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MinceRoh noesAug 03 11:00
MinceRan IT professional has to manually configure somethingAug 03 11:00
MinceRwhat has the world come to?Aug 03 11:00
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oiaohmMinceR: in this case its kinda a problem.Aug 03 11:00
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oiaohmMinceR: user unplugs mouse plugs it back in its broke.Aug 03 11:00
MinceRpeople seem to like that on windowsAug 03 11:00
oiaohmSame with a keyboard.Aug 03 11:00
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oiaohmMinceR: windows will find the mouse in time without restarting it.Aug 03 11:01
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MinceRunless it's in a different port and you're not logged inAug 03 11:01
oiaohmI am meaning broken to point of restarting server required Aug 03 11:01
oiaohmAt times.Aug 03 11:01
oiaohmMinceR: no same port.Aug 03 11:01
oiaohmHal was the magic that reconnected stuff you disabled.Aug 03 11:02
oiaohmMinceR: so the reason why you used some custom hacked version was so the reconnection stuff worked.Aug 03 11:03
oiaohmX11 hey we support multi seat but you have to manually configure it and use hacked versions of programs.Aug 03 11:03
oiaohmThen you would have the other fun that someone would remote in using ssh decide to use a xnest and then find that they had taken over the local keyboard and mouse.Aug 03 11:05
oiaohmBecause of haldAug 03 11:05
oiaohmBefore consolekit the lack of seat seperation was a pure nightmare.Aug 03 11:05
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cubexyzI'm running hald on one system stillAug 03 11:09
oiaohmcubexyz: I guess it with consolekit or with pam rules blocking device accesses.Aug 03 11:10
oiaohmcubexyz: to prevent it doing horible.Aug 03 11:10
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XRevan86cubexyz: I start to think there is no technology you don't still run :).Aug 03 11:11
cubexyzXRevan86, not quite :)Aug 03 11:11
oiaohmTo be correct I have a hald forwarding wrapper installed here to consolekitAug 03 11:12
oiaohmor systemdAug 03 11:12
oiaohmbecause I have a horible program that still required hald calls.Aug 03 11:12
cubexyzI have an interesting in the history of operating systemsAug 03 11:13
cubexyzan interestAug 03 11:13
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cubexyzoiaohm, I think FC1 was pre-haldAug 03 11:13
cubexyzand I don't remember the mouse having any problems being unpluggedAug 03 11:13
cubexyzat least not usb mouseAug 03 11:14
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oiaohmcubexyz: I have been running multi seat setups on and off file a while.Aug 03 11:14
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oiaohmcubexyz: where you had to get into disabling hald and having x11 magically fail until you put a custom back in.Aug 03 11:15
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oiaohmYes selling feature of X11 was multi seat and then it was broken.Aug 03 11:15
MinceRgood thing systemd isn't broken, oh waitAug 03 11:16
cubexyzFC3 had haldAug 03 11:16
oiaohmcubexyz: hal was a sub part of X11 serversAug 03 11:16
oiaohmTo distance X11 servers from having to know how to talk to real OS devices.Aug 03 11:16
cubexyzbut you can run X without haldAug 03 11:17
oiaohmDepends what make of X11 server cubexyzAug 03 11:17
oiaohmSome version no hal no work.Aug 03 11:17
oiaohmYes the old closed source X11 servers with graphical accleration.Aug 03 11:18
oiaohmMinceR: systemd might be broken but the stuff before systemd was also broken in different ways.Aug 03 11:18
MinceRyes, and the stuff before systemd was also a lot less brokenAug 03 11:19
MinceRand a lot less resource-hungryAug 03 11:19
MinceRand a lot easier to maintainAug 03 11:19
cubexyzthe problem with systemd is there doesn't seem to be any way to revert to something else once systemd is installedAug 03 11:19
oiaohmLot easier to maintain I would not say so.Aug 03 11:19
MinceRthe problem with systemd is that now if you don't want to run it, you're a hereticAug 03 11:19
MinceRit was not enough to just have Windows, Microsoft EditionAug 03 11:20
MinceRyou have to also have Windows, Fedora Edition, and Windows, Red Hat Edition, and Windows, CentOS Edition, and Windows, SuSE Edition and Windows, Debian EditionAug 03 11:20
oiaohmNo you mostly get laughed at because you guys who say don't run systemd go around saying this crap.Aug 03 11:20
MinceRyeah, i'm used to be laughed at by clueless winblows shills and clueless macos shillsAug 03 11:21
MinceRthere's nothing newAug 03 11:21
MinceRexcept you people try to destroy the platform i'm using.Aug 03 11:21
oiaohmSo that means you are moron MinceRAug 03 11:21
MinceRyou won't get anything out of it, but you just have to force winblows on everyoneAug 03 11:21
MinceRoiaohm: no, that means you're a moronAug 03 11:21
oiaohmYou never win anyone over by being insulting.Aug 03 11:21
MinceRoiaohm: you shill for companies who will never benefit you.Aug 03 11:21
MinceRoiaohm: then why do you do it?Aug 03 11:22
oiaohmDo I really.Aug 03 11:22
MinceR172138 < oiaohm> So that means you are moron MinceRAug 03 11:22
MinceRwhat was this?Aug 03 11:22
oiaohmYou were already being insulting.Aug 03 11:22
MinceRyeah, how dare i insult the Holy Trinity of windows, macos and systemd.Aug 03 11:23
oiaohmAnd you were show not sign of making any logical arugment.Aug 03 11:23
oiaohmSo I might as well call you what you are.Aug 03 11:23
MinceRyeah, apparently "making a logical argument" has been redefined to "regurgitate systemd talking points"Aug 03 11:23
MinceRwe're living in an interesting worldAug 03 11:24
cubexyzjust use the init system you like, it's not a war :)Aug 03 11:24
MinceRcubexyz: that's not enough for people like oiaohm Aug 03 11:24
MinceRcubexyz: you must use systemd and you must like it.Aug 03 11:24
XRevan86MinceR, oiaohm: Ребята, давайте жить дружно.Aug 03 11:24
oiaohmMinceR: NO I have not said users have to use systemd.Aug 03 11:24
MinceRcubexyz: and they'll be very surprised when microsoft stabs redhat in the back. and they will.Aug 03 11:24
oiaohmI was one who pushed for debian to use openrcAug 03 11:24
oiaohmPlease note that MinceRAug 03 11:24
MinceRoiaohm: openrc is not systemd.Aug 03 11:24
MinceRopenrc has a clearly defined scopeAug 03 11:25
XRevan86oiaohm: Why OpenRC is not updated in Debian anymore? :(Aug 03 11:25
XRevan86being updated *Aug 03 11:25
MinceRXRevan86: because the systemd shills wonAug 03 11:25
MinceRXRevan86: they destroyed debian.Aug 03 11:25
XRevan86> Let's live in friendship, guysAug 03 11:25
cubexyzI know a guy who was quite proud of his own init system but I can't remember what it's calledAug 03 11:25
MinceRsome people will only live in friendship with you if you use and _love_ systemdAug 03 11:25
oiaohmMinceR: wrong.Aug 03 11:25
MinceRwhich won't happenAug 03 11:26
oiaohmXRevan86: there are updates to openrc in sid.Aug 03 11:26
XRevan86oiaohm: Where? It's still 0.13.1Aug 03 11:26
oiaohmXRevan86: it just keeps on failing quality checks.Aug 03 11:26
MinceRand if you install openrc on a typical  debian desktop system, how many packages will be forced to be removed?Aug 03 11:26
XRevan86oiaohm: Ah, tracker.debian.orgAug 03 11:26
MinceRsystemd shills use dependencies as a weapon.Aug 03 11:26
oiaohmMinceR: no packages under debain are not allowed to mantainte systemd.Aug 03 11:27
oiaohmMinceR: sysvinit, runit and openrc will work.Aug 03 11:27
MinceRoiaohm: yet most of the desktop depends on systemd packagesAug 03 11:27
XRevan86oiaohm: runit won't.Aug 03 11:27
oiaohmMinceR: nopAug 03 11:27
oiaohmXRevan86: I have a runit installed with debian with kdeAug 03 11:27
MinceRyou're forced to keep crap such as libsystemd and systemd-logind installedAug 03 11:27
MinceRand probably more.Aug 03 11:27
oiaohmMinceR: nopAug 03 11:27
MinceRoiaohm: no use lying, i've tried it.Aug 03 11:28
XRevan86oiaohm: Were you writing init "scripts" from stratch for everything? :)Aug 03 11:28
oiaohmwhat consolekit did you install.  MinceRAug 03 11:28
MinceRand your beloved systemd worked out so well debian already had to make a new point release in about 2 months or so.Aug 03 11:28
oiaohmMinceR: please note I said KDE not Gnome.Aug 03 11:28
XRevan86> /lib/systemd/system/runit.serviceAug 03 11:28
MinceRthat's "stability" in the brave new debian world.Aug 03 11:28
XRevan86from https://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/runit/filelistAug 03 11:28
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XRevan86that blowed my mindAug 03 11:28
MinceRdebian is dead. soon it will become fedora with debian decals and then it will wither away.Aug 03 11:29
oiaohmXRevan86: yes runit inside systemdAug 03 11:29
XRevan86oiaohm: What's the point?Aug 03 11:29
MinceRthe point is to retain unreliability and insecurityAug 03 11:29
MinceRand poettering's urine markings on your system.Aug 03 11:29
MinceRit's his territory, so he marks it.Aug 03 11:30
oiaohmXRevan86: some services are designed to be managed by runitAug 03 11:30
oiaohmXRevan86: so on a systemd system you run runit inside systemdAug 03 11:30
oiaohmXRevan86: and the reverse is also possible.Aug 03 11:30
XRevan86oiaohm: Yeah, I know. Still, what require runit?Aug 03 11:31
MinceRthe reverse is heresy thoughAug 03 11:31
oiaohmMinceR: no the reverse is systemd usermode.Aug 03 11:31
oiaohmXRevan86: never guess what closed source applications will do to you.Aug 03 11:31
oiaohmXRevan86: like having runit in the required features to have tech support.Aug 03 11:32
XRevan86oiaohm: What the…Aug 03 11:32
MinceRthose damned heretic closed source applications, daring to depend on a service manager that actually worksAug 03 11:32
MinceRhow dare they?Aug 03 11:32
oiaohmMinceR: runit is the nicest.   Not always do they demard a working service manager.Aug 03 11:33
MinceRyeah, sometimes they demand systemd insteadAug 03 11:33
oiaohmMinceR: noAug 03 11:34
MinceRnot yet?Aug 03 11:34
oiaohmThere is none closed source that demard systemd.   Some demard docker these days.Aug 03 11:34
oiaohmYep yets run all our own libraries and custom init system.Aug 03 11:34
msb__Hopefully devuan will use sysvinit and will have shims to support apps crippled by systemd-dependency.  And will be as simple as possible for a single user.Aug 03 11:34
MinceRgo bother them and demand that they require systemd-nspawn insteadAug 03 11:35
MinceRfor red hat!Aug 03 11:35
XRevan86msb__: Will?Aug 03 11:35
oiaohmsystemd-nspawn supports standard docker images MinceRAug 03 11:35
MinceRhopefully devuan will manage to remove all the excess requirements on systemd garbageAug 03 11:35
oiaohmYour a closed soruce maker you don't make stuff twice MinceRAug 03 11:35
DaemonFCMinceR, Look at it from the other way around.Aug 03 11:35
MinceRoiaohm: actually it has happened beforeAug 03 11:35
msb__nspawn? Netherworld Spawn?Aug 03 11:35
DaemonFCThey could have decided to standardize on Apple launchd.Aug 03 11:36
DaemonFC:)Aug 03 11:36
MinceRmsb__: indeed.Aug 03 11:36
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MinceRDaemonFC: not much of a differenceAug 03 11:36
DaemonFCThe init system that broke cron.Aug 03 11:36
MinceRsystemd breaks cron all the sameAug 03 11:36
oiaohmmsb__: sysvinit is broken due to PID usage.Aug 03 11:36
MinceRPID usage causes a lot less problems than systemd bugsAug 03 11:36
XRevan86MinceR: How so?Aug 03 11:36
XRevan86MinceR: And which cron? %)Aug 03 11:36
MinceRXRevan86: systemd takes over cron's jobAug 03 11:36
oiaohmMinceR: openrc or other file handle based solutions are more dependable than systemd.Aug 03 11:37
MinceRand does so with the greatest complexity possibleAug 03 11:37
msb__oiaohm: So you insist, but it works fine for me and a 100 million others for many years.Aug 03 11:37
XRevan86MinceR: cron itself works as well.Aug 03 11:37
MinceRoiaohm: keep telling yourself that while you hit reset on your servers.Aug 03 11:37
XRevan86MinceR: cron is pretty much complex.Aug 03 11:37
MinceRXRevan86: not as complex as systemd.Aug 03 11:37
oiaohmMinceR: I run servers kernel update to kernel update.Aug 03 11:37
XRevan86MinceR: systemd timers have a much simpler design.Aug 03 11:37
oiaohmMinceR: and sometimes even long.Aug 03 11:38
DaemonFChttp://hea-www.harvard.edu/~fine/OSX/launchd_cron.htmlAug 03 11:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hea-www.harvard.edu | Cron, Network Users, and Launchd [ http://ur1.ca/ncbko ]Aug 03 11:38
DaemonFCMinceR, An amusing article.Aug 03 11:38
oiaohmMinceR: I don't get where you get that I have to put up with lockups.Aug 03 11:38
DaemonFCApple developers are idiots and totally fucking shameless about it.Aug 03 11:38
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XRevan86DaemonFC: I wouldn't expect anything else.Aug 03 11:39
MinceRoiaohm: yeah, neither do i... https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74589 https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/12/21/1343258 https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/02/msg00013.html https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=918226 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1202598Aug 03 11:39
msb__I value simplicity over perfection.  I would much rather have a simple system that has some problem once a year than a much more complex system.Aug 03 11:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugs.freedesktop.org | Bug 74589 – systemd segfaults if no cgroups are available [ http://ur1.ca/j3zxv ]Aug 03 11:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/12/21/1343258 )Aug 03 11:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.debian.org | Re: Tried to boot my laptop from a cafe... [ http://ur1.ca/jt4ka ]Aug 03 11:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.opensuse.org | Bug 918226 – systemd segfaults after updating from 208-23.3 to 208-28.1 [ http://ur1.ca/ncbl9 ]Aug 03 11:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.redhat.com | Bug 1202598 – systemd throttling, taking up 25%+ CPU: "Looping too fast. Throttling execution a little." [ http://ur1.ca/ncbla ]Aug 03 11:39
cubexyzcron in Unix v7 was only 250 lines of codeAug 03 11:40
oiaohmMind you do like how systemd timers do remember to apply the right system wide laugage setttings where standard cron downright forgets to.Aug 03 11:40
MinceRmaybe if the systemd fanboys keep telling themselves their windows clone is perfect, eventually they'll believe itAug 03 11:40
oiaohmStandard cron Lang=C is default.Aug 03 11:40
oiaohmCan cause backup scripts to nicely fail.Aug 03 11:41
DaemonFCMinceR, The "svchost.exe" for Linux.Aug 03 11:41
DaemonFC;)Aug 03 11:41
MinceRalso services.exeAug 03 11:41
MinceRafaik svchost mainly works around the fact that winblows nt processes are hugely bloated and expensiveAug 03 11:41
DaemonFCNo, it's not that bad.Aug 03 11:41
MinceRand naturally, the m$ way to "fix" that is to stuff multiple services in a single processAug 03 11:42
cubexyzI honestly did not like the changes to the usb sub-systemAug 03 11:42
MinceRnot, you know, fix their fucking kernel in the first placeAug 03 11:42
DaemonFCWindows merges the services into one process. It makes for a really nifty way to cloak malware.Aug 03 11:42
MinceRit also makes for a really nifty way to ensure that one service crashing takes some others with itselfAug 03 11:42
DaemonFCYou can't figure out where it's running from because it's running in an executable that says it's a Windows component.Aug 03 11:42
oiaohmMinceR: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74589   << At the time this bug was open what did systemd spec sheet say it required.Aug 03 11:42
oiaohmMinceR: that is right cgroups.Aug 03 11:42
MinceRbut hey, this is the place systemd people take their inspiration from.Aug 03 11:43
cubexyzwe used to be able to open /dev/usb/scanner0 and use itAug 03 11:43
DaemonFCMinceR, Yeah, that too.Aug 03 11:43
oiaohmMinceR: running software without its requirements and it breaks who fault is that.Aug 03 11:43
MinceRoiaohm: right, there's absolutely nothing wrong that could happen if pid1 dereferences null pointers carelessly.Aug 03 11:43
MinceRwho needs pid1 running anyway?Aug 03 11:43
MinceRoiaohm: try to read the comments next timeAug 03 11:44
oiaohmMinceR: is systemd the first init system to have requirements.Aug 03 11:44
oiaohmMinceR: I did read the comments.Aug 03 11:44
MinceRhttp://img.linuxfr.org/img/68747470733a2f2f6861636b2d6c696272652e6f72672f66696c65732f6c697672655f7072c3a966c3a972c3a95f6c656e6e6172742d35303070782e6a7067/livre_pr%C3%A9f%C3%A9r%C3%A9_lennart-500px.jpgAug 03 11:44
oiaohmMinceR: the answer is no.  Its not the first time that init system has  died to to lack of requirements.Aug 03 11:44
MinceRoiaohm: then you should have noticed how important a crash in pid1 is to these peopleAug 03 11:44
MinceRoiaohm: and you should already have learned something about redcrap's testing policyAug 03 11:45
MinceR("don't do it")Aug 03 11:45
DaemonFCMinceR, It was a way to save some RAM back in the day.Aug 03 11:45
MinceR(incidentally, the same as m$'s and crApple's policy)Aug 03 11:45
DaemonFCIt's a real mess now, and for no gain at all really.Aug 03 11:45
MinceRDaemonFC: a better way to save RAM would be to run an OS that doesn't put a windowing system in its kernel.Aug 03 11:45
DaemonFCIt doesn't have to have that.Aug 03 11:46
MinceRanother good way to save RAM is to run an OS where processes aren't so expensiveAug 03 11:46
MinceRlike a free unix!Aug 03 11:46
msb__Each cgroup has its own set of PIDs, right?Aug 03 11:47
msb__So running each service in its own cgroup makes the system insanely complicated.Aug 03 11:47
oiaohmmsb__: Process ID is linked to a cgroup by a filehandle.   That will disappear from the cgroup when the application terminates.Aug 03 11:49
oiaohmmsb__: this will be done by the kernel.Aug 03 11:49
oiaohmmsb__: so avoiding the problem of PID value pointing to non existing.Aug 03 11:49
oiaohmor replaced.Aug 03 11:49
msb__So much for filehandles being about files.Aug 03 11:50
oiaohmUnix everything is a file msb__Aug 03 11:51
msb__oiaohm: BullshitAug 03 11:51
MinceR025547 < oiaohm> PID number is no a file.Aug 03 11:51
MinceRoiaohm: make up your mind already.Aug 03 11:51
oiaohmPID number is not a file.Aug 03 11:51
oiaohmthe PID in /proc is a file.Aug 03 11:52
msb__In Unix things are files if they behave like files.  PIDs do not.Aug 03 11:52
oiaohmmsb__: PID is not the number.Aug 03 11:52
MinceRthe plot thickensAug 03 11:52
msb__It sure used to be.Aug 03 11:52
msb__sickensAug 03 11:52
oiaohm /proc/ direcotry was implemented on Unix for a very long time.Aug 03 11:54
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oiaohmParticular service managers under Unix abused it.Aug 03 11:54
msb__Just because there's a file in /proc connected to each pid doesn't mean a pid is not a number.Aug 03 11:54
oiaohmSimple fd open the /proc/pid  Aug 03 11:55
msb__You could associate the name of a star with each PID, but it would still be a number.Aug 03 11:55
oiaohmPID number is a value assigned to a PID that the OS using Posix standards is free to racecondition change between the time you retreave it and when you want to use it.Aug 03 11:56
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/IdPTkOc.pngAug 03 11:57
msb__Devices are treated as files because you can read and write data from/to them.  They have similar semantics.Aug 03 11:57
DaemonFCI might subscribe to HBO Now for the one month free trial and then binge watch Game of Thrones before I cancel it.Aug 03 11:58
DaemonFCI like to avoid watching stuff until it piles up and then I can get through it during a free trial of something.Aug 03 11:58
oiaohmmsb__: there are very limited ways under posix/Unix design not to dig yourself into a race condition.Aug 03 11:58
msb__PIDs are numbers which do not have similar semantics to files!Aug 03 11:58
oiaohmReusing PID numbers is not forbiden.Aug 03 11:59
oiaohmmsb__: Process ID and Process ID numbers are two slightly different things.Aug 03 11:59
oiaohmcgroup PID namespaces are legal under unix and posix.Aug 03 12:00
oiaohmYes faking what PID numbers applications see is allowed.Aug 03 12:00
msb__If the kernel assigns a PID to a process, how is that going to cause a race condition if the kernel keeps track of which PIDs are in use?Aug 03 12:00
oiaohmmsb__: process ends kernel reuses PID number for another process.Aug 03 12:01
MinceRthe ID is a numberAug 03 12:01
MinceRthe process structure is not an ID.Aug 03 12:01
msb__oiaohm: Aug 03 12:01
oiaohmMinceR: the in process stucture is linked to a directory that can be referenced by a filehandle.Aug 03 12:01
msb__oiaohm: So?  If process is ended PID is now unused.Aug 03 12:01
MinceRprocfs is optional.Aug 03 12:01
oiaohmAnd its the existance or lack of existance of the process structure to know if something is still running is what you are intested in.Aug 03 12:02
oiaohmMinceR: filehandle for the process structure is gettable if procfs exists or not.Aug 03 12:04
oiaohmmsb__: using the PID number you hope it unused when you check and has not been reused.Aug 03 12:05
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MinceRhttp://xkcd.com/1559/Aug 03 12:07
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DaemonFCLOL!Aug 03 12:10
oiaohmmsb__: runit attempts to use filehandles to track but it brought undone by forking.   cgroup caused forking to result in automatic addition to the cgroup.Aug 03 12:10
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oiaohmmsb__: how we end up at cgroups as the way to track is failure after failure.Aug 03 12:10
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MinceRlooks like they're committed to "failure after failure"Aug 03 12:20
MinceRthough i guess cancerd at least enables failure in parallel with failure alsoAug 03 12:20
cubexyza lot of people don't like systemdAug 03 12:20
cubexyzI log a bunch of channels and it's discussed a lotAug 03 12:21
MinceRwhich is why the Thought Police is on high alertAug 03 12:24
cubexyzperhaps this will help:Aug 03 12:24
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/survey-of-init-systems.pdfAug 03 12:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ http://www.maxhost.org/other/survey-of-init-systems.pdf )Aug 03 12:24
MinceRForbiddenAug 03 12:26
MinceRYou don't have permission to access /other/survey-of-init-systems.pdf on this server.Aug 03 12:26
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/survey-of-init-systems.pdfAug 03 12:26
MinceRnow it worksAug 03 12:26
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/628260679254941697Aug 03 13:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz In all my travels I've never seen a Norwegian policeman more than once (And that was Oslo).....Aug 03 13:53
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schestowitz[15:49] <cubexyz> ok, hold on, is there two different 7.2s?Aug 03 14:10
schestowitzcubexyz still lives in the 90s ;-pAug 03 14:10
cubexyzI study all erasAug 03 14:15
schestowitzthat's goodAug 03 14:18
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cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/microchoice.txtAug 03 16:01
MinceRjust like the choice cancerd cultists give youAug 03 16:03
MinceRhttp://pastebin.ca/3087491Aug 03 16:08
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MinceRthis is the software oiaohm believes inAug 03 16:08
cubexyzI knew windows 10 was going to be a clunker, but when I read the fsf article about windows 10 they really made it sound like the operating system from hellAug 03 16:09
MinceRand yet they prop up systemdAug 03 16:10
cubexyzwhy do you say that?Aug 03 16:10
MinceRthe only comments i've ever seen from the FSF and RMS about systemd were supportiveAug 03 16:10
MinceRi thought they were supposed to be the canary in the coal mineAug 03 16:11
MinceRbut the way they are now, they're useless in that roleAug 03 16:11
cubexyzStallman said he never used systemdAug 03 16:13
cubexyzit sounded like he didn't really want to talk about itAug 03 16:13
MinceRyet he assumes it supports the freedom of the user based solely on its licenseAug 03 16:13
MinceRthen he should have said he doesn't know or that he doesn't want to talk about itAug 03 16:14
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msb__cubexyz: Thanks for Survey of Init Systems pdf!  Very educational!Aug 03 16:19
cubexyzit's a bit old so it didn't mention systemd, but was still interestingAug 03 16:19
cubexyzI'm trying to understand what shpchp doesAug 03 16:33
cubexyzit's the Standard Hot Plug PCI controller driverAug 03 16:33
cubexyz"you can insert a new PCI hot plug adapter into an available PCI slot while the operating system is running"Aug 03 16:35
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msb__Very good argument against systemd, which tries to protect against problematic services by greatly increasing overall complexity:   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_is_the_enemy_of_goodAug 03 17:08
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msb__Better to fix misbehaving services and leave the system simple enough that troubleshooting with ps, top, killall, etc., is still possible.Aug 03 17:09
msb__A Linux suitable for running all of Google or IMDB or Amazon on a single million-cpu processor is NOT suitable for running my 8-core desktop (which is only 2-core now).Aug 03 17:12
cubexyzit's an operations issue to a large degreeAug 03 17:12
cubexyzas the operator gets more skilled with any given system efficiency increasesAug 03 17:12
cubexyzit doesn't matter exactly what software I use to access my scanner and long as it worksAug 03 17:13
cubexyzI still want FOSS software of courseAug 03 17:14
msb__But I don't need all the load balancing, service tracking, malware preventing that those huge systems need.Aug 03 17:14
cubexyzno a simpler OS for us is betterAug 03 17:14
msb__And I am already skilled enough that I can fix problems with my simple system.Aug 03 17:14
cubexyzI can do my own load balancing by running different programs on different computersAug 03 17:15
cubexyzrightAug 03 17:15
msb__With a $200 8-core you won't even have to do that.Aug 03 17:15
msb__With my 2-core, I have to nice down firefox in order to play x265s.Aug 03 17:17
msb__That's load balancing.Aug 03 17:17
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cubexyzI have one screen dedicated to IRC so I don't miss anything :)Aug 03 17:18
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msb__I just use konversation, which keeps history of all irc channels that I'm in.  It draws a red line at the last point that I read!Aug 03 17:20
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MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/8OJ4tAug 03 17:25
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Cirrus_Minorhttp://gnuworldorder.info/Aug 03 17:38
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MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/jJBoLbvAug 03 17:48
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msb__8^)Aug 03 18:20
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MinceRhttps://www.reddit.com/r/touhou/comments/3fnmyf/psa_windows_10_locale/Aug 03 18:25
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MinceRhttp://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/aug/03/privacy-smartphones-battery-lifeAug 03 18:32
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MinceRhtml5, fuck yeahAug 03 18:32
cubexyzhuh, the survey of init systems was downloaded over 100 timesAug 03 18:56
cubexyzstarting to see some Arm64 and more Android usersAug 03 19:00
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oiaohmRight now I am so happy my system has logind with loginctl.  Its been driving me nuts why under Plasma I did not have vdpau working and it worked everwhere else.Aug 03 19:36
oiaohmAlso turns out it also a cause of KDE 5 instablity behind the problem.Aug 03 19:37
MinceRhttp://pastebin.ca/3087493Aug 03 19:37
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oiaohmWhen you log out of Plasma 5 a section of it remains running.Aug 03 19:37
MinceRbehold, the service manager without flawsAug 03 19:37
oiaohmThat old section interfers with next instance.Aug 03 19:38
oiaohmCausing kwin to crash randomally and vdpua not to work.Aug 03 19:38
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oiaohmMinceR: No that message you have in pastebin is fairly clear Active: active (running) its consuming CPU even after the main process has died.Aug 03 19:41
oiaohmMinceR: that would be a leak under sysvinit possilbe prevent it from restarting.Aug 03 19:41
MinceRyes, it's clearly active(running) and exited/FAILUREAug 03 19:41
MinceRonly a heretic would think that's inconsistentAug 03 19:41
MinceRluckily for us, the thought police is hereAug 03 19:42
oiaohmactive and running is cgroup consumtion.Aug 03 19:42
oiaohmSo processes started by that are still running.Aug 03 19:42
oiaohmUnfortantlly some closed source and badly made open source services return failed yet are working.Aug 03 19:42
oiaohmMinceR: what have you never managed servers with closed source/bad open source services.Aug 03 19:43
MinceRservice is behaving badly under systemd: service's faultAug 03 19:44
MinceRservice is behaving badly under anything else: service manager's faultAug 03 19:44
MinceRinteresting.Aug 03 19:44
oiaohm Process: 12578 ExecStop=/usr/libexec/tomcat/server stop (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE)   << notice what is.Aug 03 19:45
oiaohmCommand to stop server has failed.Aug 03 19:45
oiaohmSo yes service is still running.Aug 03 19:45
oiaohmAt this point you use the systemd cgroup sledge hammer to shut it down.Aug 03 19:46
oiaohmNow if you are under sysvinit it hopefully manually dig it out the system.Aug 03 19:46
oiaohmOr reboot the system.Aug 03 19:47
oiaohmWhat you are complain about there is extreamly bad under a sysvinit system MinceRAug 03 19:47
oiaohmAnnoying under a systemd  system.Aug 03 19:47
MinceRgood think you love rebootingAug 03 19:47
oiaohmMinceR: No it reboot under sysvinitAug 03 19:49
oiaohmMinceR: to get a clean state.Aug 03 19:49
oiaohmMinceR: systemd is not rebootAug 03 19:49
oiaohmMinceR: you just brought in an example for systemdAug 03 19:50
MinceRand reboot under systemd to upgrade the logging daemon, to stop it from wasting cpu in an endless loop, to make it try booting without starting services while fsck is still working, ...Aug 03 19:50
MinceRyes, i knowAug 03 19:50
MinceRin the systemd religion, everything proves the glory of systemdAug 03 19:50
oiaohmNo MinceRAug 03 19:50
oiaohmThere are counter systemd arguements.Aug 03 19:50
MinceRyes, and you believe all of them are wrongAug 03 19:50
oiaohmBut you have to understand what would happen under sysvinitAug 03 19:50
oiaohmTo know if you have one.Aug 03 19:51
oiaohmYou have brought me 3 total that are valid MinceRAug 03 19:51
oiaohmand I have stated they are valid MinceRAug 03 19:51
MinceRhow does that make your cognitive dissonance feel?Aug 03 19:51
oiaohmSo its not that I will not believe you.Aug 03 19:51
oiaohmIf you are right.Aug 03 19:51
oiaohmBut I am really sick of you bringing in examples that if you test the same thing under sysvinit you have a big problem.Aug 03 19:52
oiaohmBasically that example is also why to use openrc over sysvinit.Aug 03 19:52
oiaohmAnd openrc would have reported the same thing.Aug 03 19:52
oiaohmIe the server is still running after its been told to stop.Aug 03 19:52
oiaohmAnd that the stop command fialed.Aug 03 19:53
oiaohmMinceR: the fsck one is interesting.  Systemd design says all key filesystems are mean to be checked and mounted by the initrd.Aug 03 19:56
oiaohmMinceR: all non key filesystems are to be started by systemd.Aug 03 19:57
MinceRit was said that some sort of timeout causes it to resumeAug 03 19:57
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oiaohmMinceR: where is / checked.Aug 03 19:58
oiaohmInitrd includes fsck for a reason.Aug 03 19:58
oiaohmsystemd itself is not started until initrd ends.Aug 03 19:59
MinceRmaybe they'll make putting systemd in the initramfs mandatory :>Aug 03 20:00
MinceRor they'll just proceed directly to ksystemdAug 03 20:00
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oiaohmNop there is a different replacement for initrdAug 03 20:01
oiaohmWhat replaceing script based initrd has been defined.Aug 03 20:02
oiaohmMinceR: about time you find the name of it.Aug 03 20:02
MinceRksystemd will make dave cutler so proud!Aug 03 20:02
oiaohmMinceR: come on name what replaces script based initrdAug 03 20:04
oiaohmhttps://dracut.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_PageAug 03 20:05
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oiaohmThe answer is dracut MinceRAug 03 20:05
*MinceR is not impressedAug 03 20:06
oiaohmdracut is more successful at starting that old init solution.Aug 03 20:06
oiaohmold initrd systems.Aug 03 20:06
MinceRooh, it depends on udev, therefore, systemdAug 03 20:07
oiaohmNopAug 03 20:07
MinceRyet another tentacleAug 03 20:07
MinceR"dracut's initramfs depends on udev"Aug 03 20:07
oiaohmdracut does not use systemd libudevAug 03 20:07
MinceRright on the page you linkedAug 03 20:07
MinceRudev is part of systemdAug 03 20:07
oiaohmdracut talks straight to udev kernel.Aug 03 20:07
oiaohmudev is two halfsAug 03 20:07
oiaohmudev in kernel and userspace.Aug 03 20:07
oiaohmsystemd is only the userspace library part.Aug 03 20:07
oiaohmSo again you miss read and go off will bull crap MinceRAug 03 20:08
oiaohmdracut has no dependance on any particular init system.Aug 03 20:09
MinceRyet.Aug 03 20:09
oiaohmNo never will.Aug 03 20:09
MinceRalso, systemd is not an init systemAug 03 20:09
MinceRit's a piece of cancerous malware that aspires to be an operating system.Aug 03 20:09
oiaohmPart of systemd is a init system.Aug 03 20:09
MinceRit's a parasite that's latching on to the host OS with a million tentacles.Aug 03 20:09
oiaohmOtherwise it could not init the system MinceRAug 03 20:09
MinceRjust like redcrap is a parasite that's latching on to the free software communityAug 03 20:10
MinceRand microsoft is a parasite that's latching on to the IT industryAug 03 20:10
oiaohmAlso what is funny here MinceRAug 03 20:12
oiaohmIs dracut developers really don't like having todo massive amounts of fsck in the initrdAug 03 20:13
MinceRyeah, that's a regular laugh riotAug 03 20:13
oiaohmBecause the dracut developers are kernel developers and believe you should be able to boot without a initramfsAug 03 20:14
oiaohmNow that is a real issue of systemd.Aug 03 20:14
MinceRnot all kernel developers are created equalAug 03 20:14
oiaohmit mandates the existance of a initramfsAug 03 20:14
MinceRconsider gregkh for example, who wanted kdbus to be dumped in the kernel without review.Aug 03 20:14
oiaohmOf course not all kernel developers are equal.Aug 03 20:15
oiaohmThere is more than 1 of them for a reason.Aug 03 20:16
oiaohmPart of gregkh job is be advicate to get drivers into the kernel that are not of acceptable quality but address issues.  Like android binder.Aug 03 20:17
MinceRwho employs him to do that?Aug 03 20:18
MinceRredcrap?Aug 03 20:18
oiaohmThere are other developers who have the role of putting up the counter arguement.Aug 03 20:18
MinceRwhoever owns suse this month?Aug 03 20:18
MinceRor perhaps the nsa directly?Aug 03 20:18
oiaohmGuess what both sides are are redhat.Aug 03 20:18
oiaohmIts a classic proscution/defense model.Aug 03 20:19
MinceRa classic shell gameAug 03 20:19
oiaohmGregkh loses more often than he wins.Aug 03 20:19
MinceRand apparently if he wins, the kernel goes to shitAug 03 20:19
oiaohmThe last 2 vetos to kdbus include have been redhat.Aug 03 20:20
MinceRmaybe they'll have a chat with HR, thenAug 03 20:20
oiaohmThey are all doing their job.Aug 03 20:20
MinceRi can see thatAug 03 20:21
MinceRwhat i wonder is how much more will have to be destroyed until they're stoppedAug 03 20:21
oiaohmThis system of how to do major changes in the Linux kernel started 1994Aug 03 20:21
MinceRso far we've lost 5 distros that weren't redcrap or suseAug 03 20:21
oiaohmMost of the time it works well.Aug 03 20:21
MinceRmajor ones, anywayAug 03 20:22
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#Adoption_and_receptionAug 03 20:22
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oiaohmReally most of the distrobution who have taken up systemd were taking redhat sysvinit modifications.Aug 03 20:22
oiaohmSo really not as independant as you are making out MinceRAug 03 20:23
MinceRso redcrap was already holding their stringsAug 03 20:23
oiaohmHas held there strings since 1996 yet you never noticed MinceRAug 03 20:23
MinceRwell yeah, in the IT industry (and also in politics) it's a beloved sport to set up pretend "independents"Aug 03 20:23
MinceRyeah, i didn't notice what redcrap was doing to gnu/linux until they killed debianAug 03 20:24
oiaohmdebian has taken redhat sysvinit modifications since 1997Aug 03 20:24
MinceRand look where it got themAug 03 20:24
oiaohmMinceR: to being one of the most used and modified distrobutions on earth I would say taking redhat stuff has done them quite well.Aug 03 20:26
MinceRi must be imagining the mass of bug tickets reporting horrible behavior due to systemdAug 03 20:27
oiaohmOther than the RPM/DEB bickering distrobutions have been closer.Aug 03 20:27
MinceRi wonder how long debian will lastAug 03 20:27
MinceRafter all, the systemd cult believes that diversity is evilAug 03 20:27
MinceRso there can be only one distroAug 03 20:28
MinceRonce systemdnf comes out, debian will abandon .debAug 03 20:28
oiaohmReality diversity in Linux Distrobutions has not existed properly for a long time.Aug 03 20:28
MinceRand there won't be much of a pretense anymoreAug 03 20:28
MinceRrejoice, thenAug 03 20:28
oiaohmInteresting enough there is a rpm5 that does deb and rpm.Aug 03 20:28
oiaohmThere is techically differences in the way deb and rpm work.Aug 03 20:29
MinceRooh, then that can be adopted based on its "merits" by debian immediatelyAug 03 20:29
oiaohmneither can cover all cases perfectly.Aug 03 20:29
MinceRgo tell themAug 03 20:29
oiaohmNo need MinceR https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=623585Aug 03 20:31
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oiaohmrpm5 is not new MinceRAug 03 20:31
oiaohmThe fact it existed for this long and debian has not changed means debian is highly unlikely to move.Aug 03 20:31
MinceRi don't see anything about replacing dpkg with rpm5 hereAug 03 20:31
MinceRyeah, rightAug 03 20:31
oiaohmDebian policy before it can replace anything it has to get its tail into sid.Aug 03 20:32
oiaohmSo far RPM5 has failed to get into sid.Aug 03 20:32
oiaohmsystemd could not be considered to replace the core init until it was at least in sid.Aug 03 20:33
MinceRthat's fine, redcrap pays enough people to make debian do its biddingAug 03 20:33
MinceRall they need to do is make gnome depend on yum/dnf/rpm being the package manager, and apt/dpkg gets thrown out before you realize what's going onAug 03 20:34
oiaohmYou don't want to accept that systemd won on techical merit with debian and can lose on techical merit.Aug 03 20:34
MinceRthat's because i know systemdAug 03 20:34
oiaohmgnome dependant on only rpm has already been attempted.Aug 03 20:34
oiaohmTotallly failed to move debian in 2002Aug 03 20:34
MinceRit's not 2002, thoughAug 03 20:35
oiaohm2006Aug 03 20:35
oiaohmand 2008Aug 03 20:35
oiaohmResult is they are not moving.Aug 03 20:35
oiaohmAnd if you knew your topic you would know why RPM to move debian has such a big problems.Aug 03 20:40
oiaohmhttp://debian-br.sourceforge.net/txt/alien.html   This lists the features of RPM and DEB Aug 03 20:41
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MinceRthe move to systemd caused tons of problems, yet it still happened.Aug 03 20:42
oiaohmThere were a ton of problems before systemd as well.Aug 03 20:42
oiaohmMinceR: problems you want to pretend did not exist.Aug 03 20:42
MinceRoh, that's fine, i guessAug 03 20:43
MinceRgetting a lot of new problems is OK if we had a few beforeAug 03 20:43
oiaohmNumber of problems systemd has caused are less than what already existed.Aug 03 20:43
MinceRcitation neededAug 03 20:43
oiaohmchanging to consolekit caused pain.Aug 03 20:44
oiaohmBecause you could not clearly see what it was upto.Aug 03 20:44
oiaohmso swaping out consolekit for a logind like solution makes sense.Aug 03 20:44
MinceRgood thing systemd is so transparentAug 03 20:45
MinceRanything makes sense if you lie hard enough.Aug 03 20:45
oiaohmYou would not call consolekit that transparent either.Aug 03 20:45
MinceRwhich would matter, if consolekit was all systemd replaced.Aug 03 20:45
oiaohmIts not lieing hard enough.Aug 03 20:45
MinceRif it was as modular as you keep insisting, that would not be a problem.Aug 03 20:46
oiaohmThe change makes sense for now.   Best out of a bad bunch.Aug 03 20:46
oiaohmNow what we need is something designed better that can get into sid.Aug 03 20:46
MinceRif you like the design principles of windows so much, why not just use windows?Aug 03 20:46
oiaohmThen fight for it place.Aug 03 20:46
MinceRwe already have plenty of stuff that's designed better in sidAug 03 20:46
MinceRunless they've already thrown out sysvinit and openrc.Aug 03 20:47
MinceRhell, even upstart is less brain-damaged than systemd.Aug 03 20:47
oiaohmopenrc is managing to fail to build.Aug 03 20:47
MinceRstrange, thousands of gentoo users manage to build itAug 03 20:47
MinceRsomehowAug 03 20:47
MinceRi managed to build it tooAug 03 20:47
MinceRit makes one suspect that perhaps they don't _want_ it to build.Aug 03 20:48
oiaohmEven gentoo users do broard testing have run into some openrc issues.Aug 03 20:48
MinceRwell, that makes the choice easy, then, since systemd has no issuesAug 03 20:48
MinceRoh waitAug 03 20:48
oiaohmEven that systemd has lots of nasty issues it managed to be good enough to get past debian auto quality tests.Aug 03 20:48
MinceRfunny thing, a lot of openrc doesn't even need to build, as there are shell scripts in thereAug 03 20:48
MinceR(heresy!)Aug 03 20:49
MinceRthat only means that debian's auto quality tests aren't worth shit.Aug 03 20:49
oiaohmdebian has auto audited for bad scripting style MinceRAug 03 20:49
oiaohmThere are quality issues with openrcAug 03 20:49
MinceRhas it auto audited for braindead software design too?Aug 03 20:49
oiaohmI want to see resolved.Aug 03 20:49
MinceRdoesn't matter anymoreAug 03 20:49
oiaohmIt does matterAug 03 20:50
MinceRthe systemd cult got their thing in, openrc doesn't have another chance thereAug 03 20:50
oiaohmThinking there is another vote for init system for debian marked for next major release.Aug 03 20:50
MinceRredcrap has all the leverage it needs to do debian whatever it wants.Aug 03 20:50
MinceRand since debian is a competitor, there's only one direction that will go.Aug 03 20:50
MinceRwe've seen this game played by m$ so many timesAug 03 20:51
oiaohmThere is another chance for openrcAug 03 20:51
MinceRyet some people expect different results this time.Aug 03 20:51
oiaohmIt was given to the next release to mature.Aug 03 20:51
MinceRmaturity doesn't matter to debianAug 03 20:51
MinceRif it did, they wouldn't have adopted systemd.Aug 03 20:51
MinceRit's still full of bugs that would be considered blockers if redcrap didn't have them by the balls.Aug 03 20:52
oiaohmIf they were happy with the systemd choice they would not have marked down for vote again next release.Aug 03 20:52
MinceRit doesn't matter what they do in the next releaseAug 03 20:52
oiaohmYou have presumed debian is happy about systemd MinceRAug 03 20:52
MinceRthe idea of a "stable" release becomes preposterous after jessie is out.Aug 03 20:52
MinceRonly fools would trust debian with production systems now.Aug 03 20:53
MinceRthey might as well take fedora, slap a "debian" sticker on it and put it up for download.Aug 03 20:53
MinceRthey seemed pretty damn happy with that crapAug 03 20:53
MinceRso happy in fact they did everything they could to prevent people from using sysvinitAug 03 20:53
oiaohmThing that is annoying me is systemd based debian for servers is less strange bugs than sysvinit was.Aug 03 20:53
MinceRthey did everything they could to break the system if you tried to do the heretical thingAug 03 20:54
MinceRthey can go fuck themselves now.Aug 03 20:54
oiaohmDebian was losing ground to upstart in servers because of sysvinit strangeness errors.Aug 03 20:54
MinceRoh wait, they already have.Aug 03 20:54
MinceRthey've made all their work (past, present and future) count for jack shit with this move.Aug 03 20:54
MinceRthat's a good oneAug 03 20:54
MinceRupstart on a serverAug 03 20:54
MinceRthat's like windows on a serverAug 03 20:54
oiaohmMinceR: ubuntuAug 03 20:55
MinceRanother knee-slapperAug 03 20:55
MinceRubuntu "server"Aug 03 20:55
oiaohmUbuntu was beating debian for server market aquirements.Aug 03 20:55
oiaohmFor a while.Aug 03 20:55
MinceRhey, let's randomly suspend and resume processes for no good reason!Aug 03 20:55
MinceRooh, "beating"Aug 03 20:55
MinceRjust like windows is "beating" everyone else, right?Aug 03 20:55
MinceRso much merit in that system.Aug 03 20:55
oiaohmRemember debian refused to go upstart completely.Aug 03 20:55
MinceRi still don't see why don't you systemd lovers just move to windows alreadyAug 03 20:56
MinceRit's got all the design flaws you love so muchAug 03 20:56
oiaohmReally I would prefer openrcAug 03 20:56
MinceRit's got services.exe, svchost.exeAug 03 20:56
MinceRit's got a windowing system in the kernelAug 03 20:56
MinceRit's got all sorts of random crap in the kernelAug 03 20:56
MinceRreally, kdbus is just peanuts next to what windows does in the kernelAug 03 20:56
oiaohmThat is the thing what Windows does in kernel is massive insane.Aug 03 20:57
MinceRyeah, but that's totally cool nowadaysAug 03 20:57
MinceRmove dbus into the kernel, move everything else into pid1Aug 03 20:57
oiaohmNot true.Aug 03 20:57
MinceRmemory protection? who needs that?Aug 03 20:57
MinceRaccess control? who needs that?Aug 03 20:57
oiaohmpid1 does not in fact run lot under systemd.Aug 03 20:57
oiaohmlogind does not run as PID1Aug 03 20:58
MinceRlet's let all the functions shit right all over each other's memory and see what happens!Aug 03 20:58
MinceRfiles too!Aug 03 20:58
oiaohmstarted by pid1Aug 03 20:58
oiaohmsystemd is a stack of small applications.Aug 03 20:58
MinceRyeahAug 03 20:58
MinceRwhich is why you can just swap out journald for something that was designed by someone with a clue, right?Aug 03 20:58
MinceRoh wait, you can'tAug 03 20:58
MinceRcancerd is modular only on the brochureAug 03 20:59
MinceRwhenever you'd actually do something with this mythical modularity, it disappears.Aug 03 20:59
oiaohmTo be correct you could swap out journaldAug 03 20:59
oiaohmbut no one has make a replacement that supports the define interfaces.Aug 03 20:59
MinceRsewing something on the asshole of journald is not "swapping out".Aug 03 20:59
MinceRi wonder why no one has done thatAug 03 20:59
oiaohmSupports all the define interfaces yet.Aug 03 21:00
oiaohmrsyslog has a prototype.Aug 03 21:00
MinceRyeah, a moving target is so easy to followAug 03 21:00
MinceRespecially with all the secrets.Aug 03 21:00
oiaohmNot really.Aug 03 21:00
MinceRit's AARD all over again.Aug 03 21:00
oiaohmjournald interfaces were defined in 2010 and have not changed.Aug 03 21:00
MinceRthat time novell was one of the victimsAug 03 21:00
MinceRthey didn't learn jack shit from it either.Aug 03 21:01
oiaohmMost parts of systemd are not moving targets.Aug 03 21:01
MinceRcitation neededAug 03 21:01
oiaohmMinceR: same place I gave you with logind documentation.Aug 03 21:02
MinceRalso, i wonder what will happen to all these alleged stable interfaces when the CADT model hitsAug 03 21:02
MinceRand systemd gets rewritten all over againAug 03 21:02
oiaohmTurns out journald and logind they documented first then coded badly.Aug 03 21:02
MinceRoiaohm: not in citation givenAug 03 21:02
oiaohmThe fact journald is broken is not the design.Aug 03 21:02
MinceRfunny thing, i do have something about the value of promises made by poettering/redcrapAug 03 21:03
MinceRhttp://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.hotplug.devel/17392Aug 03 21:03
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MinceRhttp://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.htmlAug 03 21:03
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MinceRit says "they aren't worth the money it cost you to download the message they were in"Aug 03 21:03
MinceRalso, journald is broken by designAug 03 21:03
MinceRit's sad if you can't see that.Aug 03 21:03
oiaohmPlease note the journald interface design is all text based.Aug 03 21:04
oiaohmNo binary logs.Aug 03 21:04
MinceRand the design of journald consists solely of its interface?Aug 03 21:04
MinceRis systemd a potemkin village, then?Aug 03 21:04
oiaohmThe interface design is what you have to copy to replace it.Aug 03 21:05
oiaohmThey could have include the binary crap in the interface design.Aug 03 21:05
MinceRthey didn't have to.Aug 03 21:05
oiaohmBut they thought that someone some day might want to make a replacement to journald.Aug 03 21:06
MinceRjournald interface vs. design: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/05/04/the-broodax-imperiateAug 03 21:06
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MinceRthey thought that the nsa some day might want a replacement to journald?Aug 03 21:07
MinceRif they really wanted journald to be possible to swap out, it would have the same interface as the preexisting syslogd-s.Aug 03 21:08
oiaohmNot exactly.Aug 03 21:08
MinceRi was sure you'd say thatAug 03 21:08
oiaohmto ensure proper logging existing syslogs had to use wrapper programs.Aug 03 21:09
MinceRredcrap is just like m$, they rewrite the rules as they see fit and the unthinking masses worship them for it and praise their every move.Aug 03 21:09
MinceRat least existing syslogs could do proper logging.Aug 03 21:09
oiaohmMost of those had the same problems consolekit had.Aug 03 21:09
oiaohmNo interface to find out what in heck they were upto.Aug 03 21:09
MinceRand for that you have to replace the entire interface? cool story.Aug 03 21:10
oiaohmjournald kept syslog backend and recieving messages by syslog.Aug 03 21:10
oiaohmSo no they did not replace the complete inteface.Aug 03 21:10
MinceRis that why it shits logs into an unreliable binary mess?Aug 03 21:10
oiaohmstoring in binary logs that was a idea that other parties had done before them.Aug 03 21:11
oiaohmThat someone though would be core.Aug 03 21:11
oiaohmcore/cool.Aug 03 21:11
MinceRwhich is why nobody with a clue would put that "someone" in charge.Aug 03 21:12
oiaohmMinceR: as I said to you binary logs on Unix/Linux/BSD is not new.Aug 03 21:12
oiaohmjournald developers though they would include it as a core feature.Aug 03 21:12
MinceRyeah, if you take the truth, flip it inside out and mangle it really well, it seems like it's not newAug 03 21:12
MinceRthat is, if you deliberately confuse syslog with utmp and wtmpAug 03 21:12
MinceRthey're not the same thing.Aug 03 21:12
MinceRand yeah, the journal developers are idiots.Aug 03 21:13
MinceRs/al/ald/Aug 03 21:13
MinceRi don't see anything in  http://debian-br.sourceforge.net/txt/alien.html  that sufficiently motivated moles couldn't ignore.Aug 03 21:13
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oiaohmMinceR: syslog-ng before systemd existed supported using completely binary syslogs.Aug 03 21:13
MinceRthat's great for them, i guessAug 03 21:14
MinceRstill, it didn't force anyone to use syslog-ng.Aug 03 21:14
MinceRnor did it force anyone to pass their logs through syslog-ng.Aug 03 21:14
oiaohmWhat was redhat default syslog.   syslog-ngAug 03 21:14
MinceRwho cares? nobody with a clue used redhat.Aug 03 21:14
oiaohmWhere did the developer of journald come from.Aug 03 21:14
MinceRyum is still an unreliable mess, and most likely so's dnf.Aug 03 21:14
MinceRhell?Aug 03 21:14
oiaohmsyslog-ngAug 03 21:14
MinceRmicrosoft?Aug 03 21:14
MinceRthe nsa?Aug 03 21:14
oiaohmand redhat.Aug 03 21:15
oiaohmFairly much the issue of binary logging was ingnored before journal.dAug 03 21:15
MinceRstrange, i thought the syslog-ng developers didn't have shit for brainsAug 03 21:15
oiaohmAs long as you could turn it off it was classed acceptable.Aug 03 21:15
MinceRi guess life is just full of disappointments like that.Aug 03 21:15
MinceRwell yeah, "option" is a dirty word nowAug 03 21:16
MinceRemperor lennart decides all your settings nowAug 03 21:16
oiaohmjournald does have binary logging off option.Aug 03 21:16
oiaohmOnly difference between journald and syslog-ng.Aug 03 21:17
MinceRlast time i checked all it had was the option to shit its logs into another syslogdAug 03 21:17
MinceRafter thoroughly mangling themAug 03 21:17
MinceRthat was the cancerd cult's excuse.Aug 03 21:17
oiaohmis the journald is binary logging on by default and syslog-ng is binary login off by default.Aug 03 21:17
oiaohmBoth feature wise contain the same kind of crap.Aug 03 21:17
MinceRi even seem to recall some bullshit from poettering about how it's impossible to do something systemd does with text logsAug 03 21:17
oiaohmsyslog-ng can compact your complete logging directory into 1 file.Aug 03 21:17
MinceRi can compact your complete logging directory into 1 file regardless of your logging daemon.Aug 03 21:18
MinceRthis isn't exactly rocket surgeryAug 03 21:18
oiaohmwritten in a binary logging format.Aug 03 21:18
MinceRmount -t ext3 bullshit.img /var/log/Aug 03 21:18
MinceRlook, magic!Aug 03 21:18
oiaohmNoAug 03 21:18
oiaohmnot like that.Aug 03 21:18
MinceRoops, forgot -o loopAug 03 21:18
oiaohmNo filesystem tricks MinceRAug 03 21:18
MinceRtar cjvvf bullshit.tar.bz2 /var/log/Aug 03 21:19
oiaohmNopAug 03 21:19
MinceRyeah, no filesystem tricks neededAug 03 21:19
oiaohmnot tar Aug 03 21:19
MinceRcpio?Aug 03 21:19
oiaohmNo worse.Aug 03 21:19
MinceRar?Aug 03 21:19
oiaohmsql databaseAug 03 21:19
MinceRooh, now we're talkingAug 03 21:19
MinceRoracle? m$sql?Aug 03 21:19
MinceRm$ access?Aug 03 21:20
oiaohmone option is sqlliteAug 03 21:20
oiaohmGess how that ends up.Aug 03 21:20
MinceRbut that's clearly not broken or evil enoughAug 03 21:20
MinceRalso, not expensive enoughAug 03 21:20
MinceRmy guess is that a sudden power outage means you can kiss your logs goodbye.Aug 03 21:21
oiaohmYep more way more insured than using journald binary logging.Aug 03 21:22
oiaohmYes journald binary logging is evil.  But if you mess around with existing syslog deamon options there is worse.Aug 03 21:23
MinceRoptional evil can't be as bad as evil that's foisted on you.Aug 03 21:24
MinceRespecially of said optional evil isn't even the default.Aug 03 21:25
MinceRs/of/if/Aug 03 21:25
oiaohmMinceR: http://blog.julien.cayzac.name/2008/03/using-sqlite-backend-for-syslogd.htmlAug 03 21:26
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oiaohmThis is 2008 MinceRAug 03 21:26
MinceRand it's not forced on youAug 03 21:26
MinceRyou don't even have to like itAug 03 21:26
MinceRbut if you dare say something bad about journald, the thought police comes for youAug 03 21:27
oiaohmDid you not notice there lack of consistancy.   So you have like 5 admins setting up 5 different servers todo binary forms of Logging and they could all be completley incompadible with each other.Aug 03 21:29
oiaohmThere are reasons behind what journald has done.   Could journald done it way better hell yes.Aug 03 21:29
MinceR> By the time the change and the GR happened it was already too late for Debian... things were already evidently quite sick in Debian when gnome3 was made the default desktop for Wheezy.  The reality was most sysadmin types stuck with Debian because it was less polluted then most other distrobutions and still allowed reasonable control over what software and daemons were installed.Aug 03 21:30
MinceR> I did read a little while back a commentary that blamed the shift on vocal minority factions coming in and a tendancy for those vocal minorities to be the ones most oft seen and heard, and thus they gained a following because they were seen as being bright lights and visionaries and where charismatic so they won over hearts and minds of the geeky peers who liked their ears to be tickled and thought that they were doing great things forAug 03 21:30
MinceR> "social justice" and ushering the "year of the linux desktop".  Sadly it was a fad, a political maneuvering, a duplicity that has taken a Distrobution once driven by passionate sys-admins and old school unix users and handed it to the new generation of developers and short sighted pragmatists, who valued prettiness over security and deterministic preciseness.Aug 03 21:30
MinceR> Debian had already fallen long before systemd was set as the default init system.Aug 03 21:30
MinceRyeah, how dare people in charge of administrating a system make decisions of their own?Aug 03 21:31
MinceReveryone should be remotely controlled by redcrapAug 03 21:31
oiaohmIt become a problem when working in a teams managing servers MinceRAug 03 21:31
MinceRso we can finally be united in a global and perfectly fascist empire!Aug 03 21:31
oiaohmEveryone need to be on the same page.Aug 03 21:31
MinceRoiaohm: and forcing shit on people is the only way to do that?Aug 03 21:31
oiaohmOf course keeping the custom options would have been good.Aug 03 21:32
oiaohmProviding a defined option that you could choose to use was required as well.Aug 03 21:32
MinceRwhy not just hand root access to poettering and be guests on computers you're supposed to own?Aug 03 21:32
MinceRor just hand it over directly to the nsa.Aug 03 21:32
oiaohmYou got to accept that poettering and others were trying to solve a set of problems.Aug 03 21:32
oiaohmJust they have not done it very well.Aug 03 21:33
MinceRthis sort of idiotic, fascistic thinking is what is turning the world into an even worse hell nowadays.Aug 03 21:33
oiaohmif they had done it well do you think I would be looking at openrcAug 03 21:33
MinceRthis is what led to systemd, kdbus, uefi, intel boot guard, treacherous computing, DRM, crApple-style 'app store' modelsAug 03 21:33
MinceRthis is what led to the clipper chipAug 03 21:33
MinceRthis is what led to total global surveillanceAug 03 21:33
oiaohmbios level rootkits existed before systemd.Aug 03 21:34
MinceRin your blind, unthinking quest for perfect conformity, you've given up all your rights and freedoms.Aug 03 21:34
oiaohmI understand to have freedom I will need the complete source of the system I am using.Aug 03 21:34
oiaohmThere are so many places to place a backdoor in existing systems it not funny.Aug 03 21:35
MinceRyet you defend an undocumented hairball.Aug 03 21:35
MinceRsystemd is the best place for backdoors until the nsa manages to take over the kernelAug 03 21:35
MinceR(probably via kdbus)Aug 03 21:35
oiaohmThat is the funny thing when I went to see if systemd was undocumented I found it has a huge ammount of documentation.Aug 03 21:35
oiaohmSystemd is more documented than the Linux kernel.Aug 03 21:36
oiaohmIn fact on operation is more documented than most sysvinit solutions distrobutions used.Aug 03 21:36
MinceRyou must have been looking at a different source code than i was.Aug 03 21:37
MinceRi guess they have a secret copy with comments in it that they only show to the initiated.Aug 03 21:37
oiaohmI went looking for documentation not the source code.Aug 03 21:37
MinceRyeah, it's not like you can or should document the code itselfAug 03 21:37
oiaohmI will say the source code comments in systemd need a lot better quality.Aug 03 21:37
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MinceRanything between /* and */ is just line noise in c code.Aug 03 21:37
oiaohmBut so do the source code comments in the Linux kernel.Aug 03 21:37
MinceRalso, i wonder what's in the Documentation/ directory in the kernel sourcesAug 03 21:38
MinceRthe name isn't ringing a bell...Aug 03 21:38
MinceRsomehow, it evades me.Aug 03 21:38
oiaohmMinceR: most of the documetentation in the Documentation directory in the Linux kernel is not inline with the source version.Aug 03 21:38
oiaohmThat is something where the systemd documentation is ahead.Aug 03 21:39
oiaohmFOSS project and poor documentation is unfortantly not new.Aug 03 21:39
MinceRwell that's fine, if someone did something wrong somewhere, systemd must copy it.Aug 03 21:40
MinceRjust like the hungarian "constitution" written by the nazisAug 03 21:40
MinceR(at least they claimed that every stupid thing was copied from some other constitution somewhere)Aug 03 21:40
oiaohmMost constitution documents contain fragement from others.Aug 03 21:41
oiaohmMostly not great.Aug 03 21:41
oiaohmYou have to remember Linux kernel started off as a project to make a cheap posix os.Aug 03 21:42
oiaohmLinux world copying others is not new either.Aug 03 21:42
MinceRyeah, but it used to be much betterAug 03 21:42
MinceRthey used to copy good ideas from unixAug 03 21:43
oiaohmNot always better Aug 03 21:43
MinceRnow they copy bad ideas from windowsAug 03 21:43
oiaohmThey also copied some of the bad ideas from bad unix instead of following bsdAug 03 21:43
MinceRgnu/linux used to be mostly reliable, except for broken driversAug 03 21:43
oiaohmLike using PID to track processes instead of TTYAug 03 21:43
MinceRnow we have stuff like udisks2 mysteriously dying with the documentation saying nothing about how to fix that.Aug 03 21:43
MinceRand systemd adds even more mysterious bugs.Aug 03 21:43
MinceRyeah, you keep harping about PID filesAug 03 21:44
MinceRyet i have yet to see any issue from that.Aug 03 21:44
oiaohmudisks2 issues I will give you are hard to debug.Aug 03 21:44
MinceRespecially since the man page says it will be started when neededAug 03 21:45
MinceRwhich is a lie.Aug 03 21:45
MinceRwe also have networkmanager, which is also an unreliable piece of shitAug 03 21:46
oiaohmWhat is the commonality here.Aug 03 21:46
oiaohmWhat is meant to start udisk2 on demard.Aug 03 21:46
MinceRnautilus or something nautilus usesAug 03 21:47
oiaohmThere is one part you need to be looking at with very much evil  MinceRAug 03 21:47
oiaohmMost of the current failures you follow them back to dbus server issues.Aug 03 21:48
MinceRof course.Aug 03 21:48
oiaohmThat is becaise dbus was designed around the wrong idea of sending data between processes in ways kernel cannot assist with.Aug 03 21:48
MinceRdbus was designed by a windows fanboyAug 03 21:49
MinceRit is not meant to be restarted, you're supposed to rebootAug 03 21:49
oiaohmMinceR: kinda true.Aug 03 21:49
MinceRsuch crap doesn't belong on a server or a workstation.Aug 03 21:49
MinceRback in the day gnu/linux wasn't built on toys like dbus.Aug 03 21:49
oiaohmBefore dbus there were hald issues.Aug 03 21:50
oiaohmand sound servers fighting with each other.Aug 03 21:50
oiaohmApplications for different graphical envornments not working with each other.Aug 03 21:50
MinceRi didn't have issues with sound servers before pulseaudio reared its ugly headAug 03 21:51
oiaohmI had esound and artsd cat fight.Aug 03 21:51
MinceRbut that was probably because my sound card driver did hardware mixing of stuff sent to /dev/dspAug 03 21:51
oiaohmbefore pulseaudioAug 03 21:51
oiaohmSince I run a mix of kde and gnome applications.Aug 03 21:51
MinceRi did that tooAug 03 21:52
oiaohmSo one application would want esound and one would want artsdAug 03 21:52
oiaohmSo then they would nicely fail.Aug 03 21:52
MinceRmost applications didn't want either if you set them up to stay quietAug 03 21:52
MinceRi had no need for silly sound effectsAug 03 21:52
oiaohmI was using different tools to do audio work at the time MinceRAug 03 21:53
MinceRi didn't do much audio workAug 03 21:53
oiaohmSo I suffered where you did not MinceRAug 03 21:53
oiaohmThe Linux would has not been great.Aug 03 21:54
oiaohmBroken dbus is not helpping.Aug 03 21:54
oiaohmWe need something like dbus that works.Aug 03 21:54
oiaohmAnd that everyone agrees to use.Aug 03 21:54
MinceRthat last bit won't happenAug 03 21:54
MinceRredcrap will insist on forcing some broken crap on everyoneAug 03 21:55
MinceRbe it dbus, kdbus or some other piece of shit they come up withAug 03 21:55
MinceR(and most likely build into the kernel or into systemd, or both)Aug 03 21:55
oiaohmkdbus going up against kernel developers will see it way more audited than dbus ever was.Aug 03 21:55
MinceRif that enormous tumor can be audited at all, that isAug 03 21:56
MinceRand it's kind of pointless anyway, since that obviously doesn't belong in the kernelAug 03 21:56
oiaohmSo I see kdbus as best chance of some decent.  Like linus demarding that for speed compared dbus has to be fixed.Aug 03 21:56
MinceRif it goes in, something has already gone wrong.Aug 03 21:56
oiaohmSo kdbus even if kdbus fails to be included in the Linux kernel the down force from it will see default dbus improve.Aug 03 21:56
MinceRi haven't heard of dbus being improved at all after Linus profiled it and told them to fix their shitAug 03 21:57
MinceRlike spoiled children, they keep on forcing kdbusAug 03 21:57
MinceRhttp://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1506.2/03764.htmlAug 03 21:57
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oiaohmIf you look a dbus source tree there have been many patches since linux told them to fix their shit.Aug 03 21:57
MinceR"kdbus support is no longer compile-time optional"Aug 03 21:57
MinceRthis attitude has to dieAug 03 21:58
MinceRif it doesn't, the kernel will.Aug 03 21:58
oiaohmThat is not new.Aug 03 21:58
oiaohmlike kdm probing for 8 different login solutions without switches.Aug 03 21:58
MinceRdoesn't matter how old it is, it's extremely toxic.Aug 03 21:58
oiaohmWe are dealing with the desktop envornment developers here.Aug 03 21:59
MinceRas usual, redcrap is abusing their leverage.Aug 03 21:59
oiaohmWay of doing things.Aug 03 21:59
MinceRand not only that, they're forcing the api to be set in stone.Aug 03 21:59
oiaohmMake it not optional and probe for it at runtime.Aug 03 21:59
MinceRso it can't be fixed now.Aug 03 21:59
MinceRredcrap management must be made to understand that the linux project is not their corporate garbage dumpAug 03 22:00
MinceRotherwise it will be their corporate garbage dumpAug 03 22:00
MinceRand before you know it, it will be another windows nt kernel.Aug 03 22:00
MinceRthese retards think of "throw it into the kernel!" as item number one when it comes to performance issues.Aug 03 22:00
MinceRjust like the retards at microsoft.Aug 03 22:01
oiaohmYet you use performance issues in Linux kernel world benchmarks done properly are required.Aug 03 22:01
oiaohmAnd if that shows other issues you are ordered to fix those first.Aug 03 22:01
MinceRor the kernel will have to be forked, but that would need enough developers to keep the project aliveAug 03 22:01
MinceRotherwise we might as well move to netbsd and openbsd.Aug 03 22:01
oiaohmReally its been good they have attempted to go into the Linux kernel.Aug 03 22:02
oiaohmit triggered back presure.Aug 03 22:02
MinceRredcrap did not do benchmarks properly.Aug 03 22:02
oiaohmYep and the Linux kernel developers called them out on it.Aug 03 22:02
MinceRand if they have to have Linus tell them how to do software engineering, then there's no hope they'll do software engineering properlyAug 03 22:02
oiaohmI don't see kdbus process as a bad thing.Aug 03 22:02
MinceRthey should find a career they can do well atAug 03 22:02
MinceRthey could try becoming biofuel, for example.Aug 03 22:02
MinceRthat doesn't need a level of mental acuity they clearly don't haveAug 03 22:03
oiaohmdbus need to run into some group who would say no.Aug 03 22:03
MinceRi think the kdbus "process" shows that the redcrap people are utterly retarded and have absolutely no clue about software engineeringAug 03 22:03
MinceRthen again, we've seen that in systemd tooAug 03 22:03
oiaohmNot all redhat personal are shit.Aug 03 22:04
MinceRalso, what the fuck are they thinking sending >512kB messages via dbus?Aug 03 22:04
oiaohmthe kdbus veto on performance test not being done proprerly was documented by a redhat developer to linus.Aug 03 22:04
MinceRLinus isn't going to babysit them and hold their hands through software engineering 101.Aug 03 22:05
oiaohmSome redhat staff need to be kicked hard.Aug 03 22:05
MinceRso does the management.Aug 03 22:05
oiaohmYep the ones who should be doing the kicking.Aug 03 22:05
oiaohmPlease not lump all of them in with that. MinceRAug 03 22:05
oiaohmSome of the staff at redhat are good.Aug 03 22:06
MinceRthe ones who think it's acceptable to turn against their userbase and the developers whose work they've profited off.Aug 03 22:06
MinceRit seems the good ones have no power.Aug 03 22:06
oiaohmThey do have enough power they don't get fired or harmed for vetoing stuff on Linux mailing lists.Aug 03 22:06
oiaohmBut I would like to see them have more power.Aug 03 22:07
MinceRthat's obviously not enough.Aug 03 22:07
MinceRhow many distros have to be killed before the madmen are stopped?Aug 03 22:07
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oiaohmFor number of developers to maintain distrobutions vs number of distributions we have had a problem for a long time.Aug 03 22:08
oiaohmThere have been a lot of 1 developer distrobutions.Aug 03 22:08
MinceRwe have?Aug 03 22:08
MinceRwhy does that hurt you?Aug 03 22:08
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oiaohmso for those distrobutions to get secuirty updates MinceRAug 03 22:08
MinceRi know at least one (close to) 1 developer distro that's worth a million redcrap distros.Aug 03 22:08
MinceRthey'll still be more secure than the systemd/Linux distros.Aug 03 22:09
oiaohmWe have need the number of distrobutions to reduce.Aug 03 22:09
MinceRwe already have.Aug 03 22:09
oiaohmSo a distrobutions are like teams of 5Aug 03 22:09
oiaohmminAug 03 22:09
MinceRmageia, opensuse, arch, coreos, sles, ubuntu and debian are already as good as dead.Aug 03 22:09
MinceRhow many more need to die?Aug 03 22:10
oiaohmdebian is not dead.Aug 03 22:10
MinceRyes it is.Aug 03 22:10
MinceRit has already failed at all of the things it stood for.Aug 03 22:10
MinceRit's not universal, it's not stable and it's not independent from redcrap.Aug 03 22:10
MinceRdebian gnu/hurd and debian gnu/kfreebsd are dead.Aug 03 22:11
MinceRthey dropped an architecture recently.Aug 03 22:11
MinceRtheir governance is a joke.Aug 03 22:11
MinceRtheir mailing lists are heavily censored.Aug 03 22:11
MinceRand the gnome project has played with them like a marionette for a while now.Aug 03 22:11
oiaohmThe one architecture they dropped recently is the test hardware died.Aug 03 22:12
MinceRmaybe they should have asked redcrap for a replacement, thenAug 03 22:12
oiaohmNo point maintaining a branch you cannot test.Aug 03 22:12
MinceRit's the least those toxic assholes could do.Aug 03 22:12
MinceRthat's interesting, redcrap, m$ and crApple happily release untested productsAug 03 22:12
MinceRand debian happily ignored all experience with systemd and forced it on their users.Aug 03 22:12
MinceRso it's not like they were doing anything with the results of the tests.Aug 03 22:13
MinceRoh, i almost forgotAug 03 22:13
MinceRdebian is also not freeAug 03 22:13
MinceRthe default gui install depends on monoAug 03 22:13
MinceRand it also depends on systemd.Aug 03 22:13
oiaohmMinceR: have you not installed debain in default GUI install mode recnetly.Aug 03 22:15
MinceRi have notAug 03 22:15
MinceRbut they still insist on using gnome by defaultAug 03 22:15
oiaohmMy my recent install of debian testing default GUI does not have mono installed.Aug 03 22:15
MinceRbecause they've got to have the worst DE availableAug 03 22:15
oiaohmEven that gnome is installed.Aug 03 22:15
MinceRand tomboy is still a default gnome componentAug 03 22:15
MinceRthey almost caught a clue and switched to xfce twiveAug 03 22:16
MinceRs/ive/ice/Aug 03 22:16
MinceRbut no, they have to insist on shitty gnomeAug 03 22:16
oiaohmMinceR: tomboy is optional in debian packages.Aug 03 22:16
MinceRi don't use testing ot sid.Aug 03 22:16
MinceRi use what they call "stable"Aug 03 22:16
oiaohmAT least in testingAug 03 22:16
MinceRwhich was stable until jessie came out.Aug 03 22:16
MinceRnow it's just old.Aug 03 22:16
MinceRoiaohm: i know it's optional, but every time i tried apt/dpkg satisfied the dependency with tomboy, not gnoteAug 03 22:17
MinceRand tomboy brought in mono.Aug 03 22:17
MinceRwhich is baffling, for all the posturing about free software.Aug 03 22:17
oiaohmMinceR: I can tell in testing.Aug 03 22:17
oiaohmboth tomboy and gnote are optional.Aug 03 22:17
MinceRone would think they'd avoid pushing their users into the m$ patent trap, but noAug 03 22:18
oiaohmin call cases.Aug 03 22:18
oiaohmBecause enough users complained about it MinceRAug 03 22:18
MinceRnot soon enough.Aug 03 22:18
oiaohmI have not checked the latest stable.Aug 03 22:18
oiaohmI think that was backported.Aug 03 22:18
MinceRtheir final stable (not "stable") release, wheezy, still has this problem.Aug 03 22:18
oiaohmOk so you were not to jessieAug 03 22:19
MinceRwhy would i?Aug 03 22:20
MinceRthe whole point of using debian was a stable osAug 03 22:20
MinceRnot this unreliable winblows clone called systemd.Aug 03 22:20
MinceRif i wanted an os that couldn't even boot reliably, i'd use reactos.Aug 03 22:21
MinceRor windows.Aug 03 22:21
oiaohmIts optional in jessieAug 03 22:21
MinceRoh, sureAug 03 22:21
MinceRif you don't mind being unable to install most of the packages in the repoAug 03 22:21
MinceRstuff like gimp and cupsAug 03 22:21
MinceRwho needs those, right?Aug 03 22:22
oiaohmNot true.Aug 03 22:23
oiaohmgimp and cups installs without mono.Aug 03 22:23
MinceRoh, i thought you meant systemd was "optional"Aug 03 22:23
oiaohmSorry I missed you systemd stuff I was refering to tomboy.Aug 03 22:23
MinceRyeah, i could get around the dependency on mono, but the point is i shouldn't have toAug 03 22:23
oiaohmeven the last releases of wheezy switch tomboy and other mono applications back to optional.Aug 03 22:24
oiaohmSo that fault was fixed MinceRAug 03 22:24
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oiaohmMinceR: but I do agree it should not have happened in the first place.Aug 03 22:25
MinceRso what do they install by default?Aug 03 22:25
oiaohmUsing updated installers they don't.Aug 03 22:25
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oiaohmThey are no longer in the default task list packaged for the desktop MinceRAug 03 22:26
oiaohmNow you only get them if you have used an old version of that.Aug 03 22:26
oiaohmMinceR: not all these problems last for ever.Aug 03 22:26
MinceRyeah, once redcrap kills gnu/linux, these problems go awayAug 03 22:26
MinceRespecially if they also manage to kill *bsd.Aug 03 22:27
MinceRhaiku has already committed seppukuAug 03 22:27
oiaohmNot exactly sure of that.Aug 03 22:27
oiaohmbeos contained something a lot like systemdAug 03 22:27
oiaohmI want to see how haiku end up implementing it.Aug 03 22:28
MinceRapparently they're going from a script taking care of boot to an opaque binary doing itAug 03 22:28
oiaohmbeos used binary start not script.Aug 03 22:29
MinceRshell scripts are apparently heresy in haiku too, not just on gnu/linuxAug 03 22:29
MinceRhaiku is not beos.Aug 03 22:29
oiaohmhaiku is a reimplementation of beosAug 03 22:29
MinceRi knowAug 03 22:30
oiaohmbeos service manager was good.Aug 03 22:30
oiaohmWay better than windows or smfAug 03 22:30
MinceRcoming from you, that hardly means anythingAug 03 22:30
oiaohmPlease note windows service manager I can find design flaws worse than anything.Aug 03 22:31
oiaohmSMF from solarias its control interfaces are horible at times.Aug 03 22:31
MinceRi'm sure with time systemd will adopt all of them.Aug 03 22:31
oiaohmSome of Windows design flaws are impossible due to systemd using cgroups the way it does.Aug 03 22:31
oiaohmSo systemd will never adopt all the windows flaws.Aug 03 22:32
MinceRi trust they'll find a wayAug 03 22:32
oiaohmNoAug 03 22:32
oiaohmsystemd has already made some of it own unique.Aug 03 22:32
MinceRthey've shown remarkable capability when it comes to fucking up.Aug 03 22:32
oiaohmHistory of systemd copying I would not say we have to worry about them taking the errors from Windows.Aug 03 22:33
MinceRit's a pity they're not interested in doing anythng elseAug 03 22:33
oiaohmWe have to worry about them taking stuff from Linux desktop envornments that are not properly audited and 100 percent depending on it.Aug 03 22:33
oiaohmIe DBUS to start off with.Aug 03 22:33
oiaohmBasically you have the idea that systemd disater is coming from copying Windows.Aug 03 22:35
oiaohmMost of systemd disaster comes from copying solaris.... Yet not making sure everything has solid foundations.Aug 03 22:36
MinceRyet slowlaris doesn't do service management as pid1, it uses plain old initAug 03 22:37
oiaohmLike how many recent pulseaudio screw ups is that it depends on dbus to work so when it failed it end up loading twice.Aug 03 22:37
MinceRi don't know if slowlaris does something like journaldAug 03 22:37
MinceRor logindAug 03 22:37
oiaohmSMF starts in PID1Aug 03 22:37
MinceRthat's not what i sawAug 03 22:37
oiaohmDepends on what version solaris MinceRAug 03 22:37
MinceRi saw an inittab instructing init to start and respawn SMFAug 03 22:37
oiaohmYou can script start solaris.Aug 03 22:37
oiaohmOr SMF start solaris.Aug 03 22:38
MinceRso slowlaris went and fucked this up?Aug 03 22:38
oiaohmSMF also contains a login manager.Aug 03 22:38
oiaohmYep solaris was first to do init and login manager as one solution.Aug 03 22:38
oiaohmMinceR: windows does not even do that.Aug 03 22:39
oiaohmThis is my problem with you go systemd copying windows.   That does not add up things they have copied are not from Windows.Aug 03 22:39
MinceRdoes slowlaris also have binary logging?Aug 03 22:42
oiaohmas option yesAug 03 22:42
oiaohmon by default in hardered solariasAug 03 22:42
oiaohmThe perfect list of features is hardered solaris.Aug 03 22:42
oiaohmSMF uses one of solaris own IPC in kernel.Aug 03 22:43
oiaohmYet systemd attempted to get by with a userspace IPC.Aug 03 22:44
MinceRlol, "hardened"Aug 03 22:44
MinceRno wonder slowlaris has a bad reputationAug 03 22:44
oiaohmBut hardered solaris feature list is placed on governement supply contracts.Aug 03 22:45
oiaohmI can see where redhat is coming from.Aug 03 22:46
oiaohmThey want to win more contracts.Aug 03 22:46
oiaohmThis is pushing some stupidity our direction.Aug 03 22:46
MinceRthen they should make the stuff the idiots in the government wantAug 03 22:48
MinceRinstead of killing other distrosAug 03 22:48
MinceRand instead of poisoning gnu and linuxAug 03 22:48
MinceRthey should fork linux if they don't like its designAug 03 22:49
MinceRthen they could put kdbus and whatever else in systemd-kernelAug 03 22:49
MinceRbut no, they have to poison the wellAug 03 22:49
MinceRthey have to try and kill every free unix they have leverage onAug 03 22:49
oiaohmNow you are complain the right way.Aug 03 22:50
oiaohmYou had your complete base of source of problem wrong.Aug 03 22:51
oiaohmBut the problem you have here is what governements use they have a habit of insisting there citizens and companies use.Aug 03 22:52
oiaohmYes they have todo what government wants to a point.  But we need it to be quality workman ship not slipshot like systemd has been and worrying about fixing up the issues latter.Aug 03 22:53
MinceRthe government doesn't want quality worksmanshipAug 03 22:53
MinceRthey want shitty systemd they can easily break intoAug 03 22:53
MinceRthey never think about the security of their own systemsAug 03 22:54
MinceRthey especially never think about the security of their own citizensAug 03 22:54
MinceRthe nsa does jack shit to protect their own citizensAug 03 22:54
MinceRall they ever do is destroyAug 03 22:54
oiaohmNot me to a point.Aug 03 22:55
oiaohmWe need higher standards than what the government will ask for.Aug 03 22:55
MinceRwe doAug 03 22:55
MinceRredcrap won't ever.Aug 03 22:55
oiaohmBut we need to still do enough that the governement is use a form of our solution so we don't have compadilbity problems.Aug 03 22:55
MinceRhackers making stuff for their own use do have high standardsAug 03 22:56
MinceRthat's what free software was built onAug 03 22:56
MinceRnow it's being taken over by a company that doesn't careAug 03 22:56
oiaohmIts not a simple balancing act.Aug 03 22:56
MinceRall they care about is appeasing their clients and especially a government that wants our systems to be broken.Aug 03 22:56
oiaohmSo we need more of redhat clients to ask for quality.Aug 03 22:57
oiaohmTo put presure on them.Aug 03 22:57
MinceRwe can'tAug 03 22:57
MinceRcorporate clients don't want quality, they love their m$ and crApple garbageAug 03 22:57
oiaohmAnd we need to not be a shot gun in our error complaints.Aug 03 22:57
MinceRmost customers are morons with no brains but lots of moneyAug 03 22:57
oiaohmlike how many idividual faults track back to dbus.Aug 03 22:57
MinceRthat's why the IT industry is in its current stateAug 03 22:57
MinceRthat's why our mobile devices are shitAug 03 22:57
oiaohmYet people talk about them as individual faults.Aug 03 22:57
MinceRthat's why the general purpose computer is dying outAug 03 22:58
MinceRthat's why soon we'll have IoT devices acting as spam/DDoS zombiesAug 03 22:58
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DaemonFCBanana!!!!!Aug 04 02:51
oiaohmCould be worse DaemonFCAug 04 03:01
oiaohmI have to log out at some point to find what section of KDE plasma 5 is not closing again to make bug report.Aug 04 03:02
oiaohmFound why I could not use vdpua under plasma its a run away part.Aug 04 03:02
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android M news: Release date delayed, to comeAug 04 04:05
TweetTuxMachines                 out in September or October?Aug 04 04:05
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/uoysEuiO20 (www.tuxmachines.org)Aug 04 04:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android M news: Release date delayed, to come out in September or October? | Tux MachinesAug 04 04:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Review of Ubuntu Phone – A Work Still UnderAug 04 04:06
TweetTuxMachines                 Progress http://t.co/7FNQ4Z7g8mAug 04 04:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Review of Ubuntu Phone – A Work Still Under Progress | Tux MachinesAug 04 04:06
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     New Linux Gaming Survey For AugustAug 04 04:37
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Linux Port Of Arma 3 Is "Promising"Aug 04 04:37
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     'Secure' Boot — Fedora, RHEL, and Shim UpstreamAug 04 04:37
TweetTuxMachines                 Maintenance http://t.co/2wOJ7Kq2U7Aug 04 04:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | The Linux Port Of Arma 3 Is "Promising" | GamingOnLinuxAug 04 04:39
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Review of Ubuntu Phone – A Work Still UnderAug 04 04:53
TweetTuxMachines                 ProgressAug 04 04:53
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*TweetTuxMachines @Cipherhouse retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Review of Ubuntu Phone – A Work Still...'Aug 04 04:53
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Stable kernel updates http://t.co/qI9NXYUj59Aug 04 04:54
TweetTuxMachines                 (lwn.net) http://t.co/pFmjUEFG4mAug 04 04:54
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com) http://t.co/JNrAIhUpfoAug 04 04:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://mobilemag.com/2015/08/04/review-of-ubuntu-phone-a-work-still-under-progress/ )Aug 04 04:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lwn.net | Stable kernel updates [LWN.net]Aug 04 04:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 3.14.49 LTS Has ARM64 and EXT4 Improvements, Many Updated Drivers - SoftpediaAug 04 04:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 3.10.85 LTS Brings Refinements to EXT4, Btrfs, ARM, and XFS, Updated Drivers - SoftpediaAug 04 04:54
DaemonFChttp://www.engadget.com/2015/08/04/acer-aspire-one-cloudbook/Aug 04 05:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com | Acer Aspire One Cloudbook gives you a full Windows laptop for $169 [ http://ur1.ca/nclq8 ]Aug 04 05:09
*TweetTuxMachines @fatimahkabba favourited 'Stable kernel updates http://t.co/qI9NXYUj59 http://t.co/pFmjUEFG4m http://t.co/JNrAIhUpfo'Aug 04 05:24
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     AH Primetime: Bloatware? Android Fights BackAug 04 05:24
TweetTuxMachines                 With MotorolaAug 04 05:24
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/G8RiNMBFweAug 04 05:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidheadlines.com | AH Primetime: Bloatware? Android Fights Back With Motorola | Androidheadlines.comAug 04 05:24
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.androidheadlines.com)Aug 04 05:24
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     red hat CEO props up "cloud computing"Aug 04 05:25
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TweetTuxMachines                 (upstart.bizjournals.com)Aug 04 05:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-upstart.bizjournals.com | For Raleigh’s largest public company, Red Hat, future growth hangs in the cloudAug 04 05:25
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/cIHv4HWYJW (wraltechwire.com)Aug 04 05:25
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wraltechwire.com | Red Hat's Whitehurst takes stage Aug 27; more regional events fill tech calendar :: Editor's Blog at WRAL TechWireAug 04 05:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Yesterday and Today in TechrightsAug 04 05:36
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/q2PIgiycTY (www.tuxmachines.org)Aug 04 05:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Yesterday and Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesAug 04 05:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     "I'm giving a short update on how my works onAug 04 05:36
TweetTuxMachines                 Getting Things GNOME! have been progressingAug 04 05:36
TweetTuxMachines                 recently." http://t.co/UoKC9kcOMjAug 04 05:36
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.jakubbrindza.com)Aug 04 05:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jakubbrindza.com | How I am Getting Things GNOME!: More tests, locale, and timezones. Last week in a nutshell.Aug 04 05:36
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nclz0Aug 04 05:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Best new widgets for Android (August 2015)Aug 04 05:36
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/Vu8ivL5xXj (www.phonearena.com)Aug 04 05:36
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nclz1Aug 04 05:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phonearena.com | Best new widgets for Android (August 2015)Aug 04 05:36
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Parrot says you won’t be able to buy its newAug 04 05:36
TweetTuxMachines                 Android Auto system as aftermarket productAug 04 05:36
TweetTuxMachines                 after all http://t.co/NFDJXkGJ91Aug 04 05:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-9to5google.com | Parrot says you won’t be able to buy its new Android Auto system as aftermarket product after all | 9to5GoogleAug 04 05:36
TweetTuxMachines                 (9to5google.com)Aug 04 05:36
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6424230Aug 04 05:40
schestowitz"Aug 04 05:40
schestowitzI can´t believe it.Aug 04 05:40
schestowitzreally?Aug 04 05:40
schestowitz"Aug 04 05:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #vista10 not even a 'free' 'upgrade'... if you upgrade http://imgur.com/gallery/8OJ4tAug 04 05:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> imgur.com | Microsoft 10 will not permit re-installation if any hardware changes - Album on ImgurAug 04 05:40
schestowitzSeems so.  http://techrights.org/2015/08/04/cannot-upgrade-windows-10/Aug 04 05:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Admits Vista 10 Not a ‘Free’ ‘Upgrade’, Especially If You Upgrade | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/ncm0b ]Aug 04 05:41
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DaemonFCschestowitz, You can change hardware.Aug 04 05:51
DaemonFCIf the base OS license (the one you upgraded over) was OEM, you can re-install Windows 10 and activate it unless you change the motherboard.Aug 04 05:52
DaemonFCChanging other hardware usually doesn't upset anything. If it does, you can re-activate it.Aug 04 05:53
oiaohmDaemonFC: depends on country.Aug 04 05:53
DaemonFCYou call an 800 number and read some numbers and letters, and then it gives you some to type in, and then Windows will activate itself again.Aug 04 05:53
oiaohmDaemonFC: EULA of OEM does not have to allow you to change motherboard.Aug 04 05:53
DaemonFCWell, I had a motherboard fail when I was using Windows 8.1.Aug 04 05:54
DaemonFCI swapped the motherboard and it still re-activated.Aug 04 05:54
oiaohmDaemonFC: Note my words depends on country.Aug 04 05:54
DaemonFCThe license says that they don't have to, but it seems like they allow it.Aug 04 05:54
oiaohmIts the countries laws if they allow it or not.Aug 04 05:54
DaemonFCI'm in the United States. Aug 04 05:55
DaemonFCThe same thing happened to my dad on XP once.Aug 04 05:55
DaemonFCIt re-activated, even though it was a different motherboard.Aug 04 05:56
DaemonFCAlthough, the automated system refused, he talked to a support agent at Microsoft and they gave him a re-activation code.Aug 04 05:56
DaemonFCIt seems like they're pretty lenient in practice.Aug 04 05:57
oiaohmHave to be DaemonFCAug 04 05:57
DaemonFCThe activation system is just there to discourage casual copying.Aug 04 05:57
DaemonFCIt only enforces the EULA that you already agreed to.Aug 04 05:57
oiaohmUSA laws don't allow hardware binding.Aug 04 05:57
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/deusexstigma/status/628503553124896768Aug 04 05:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@deusexstigma: @schestowitz so many ads in my feed..I just troll emAug 04 05:57
oiaohmWhen it was tested in court DaemonFCAug 04 05:57
schestowitzstill waste of time, ups their "engagement" scoreAug 04 05:57
DaemonFCPeople used to buy one copy of Windows and install it on every computer in the house. That sort of thing.Aug 04 05:57
oiaohmDaemonFC: same issue in Australia.Aug 04 05:57
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/JDB10101/status/628504237694058496Aug 04 05:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JDB10101: @schestowitz Microsoft ... Bizes like Greedy One Percent GOP oligarch$ have been buying trends/laws for decades, it is marketing. #GOP #DNCAug 04 05:58
oiaohmBut not all people globally are that lucky DaemonFCAug 04 05:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android M news: Release date delayed, to comeAug 04 05:59
TweetTuxMachines                 out in September or October?Aug 04 05:59
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/5bgSFt2liY (www.vinereport.com)Aug 04 05:59
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ncm5gAug 04 05:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vinereport.com | Android M news: Release date delayed, to come out in September or October? | Vine ReporterAug 04 05:59
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu MATE donates surplus funds to openAug 04 05:59
TweetTuxMachines                 source projects http://t.co/LLx8oX7hSGAug 04 05:59
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.linuxveda.com)Aug 04 05:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxveda.com | Ubuntu MATE donates surplus funds to open source projects - Linux VedaAug 04 05:59
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ncm5hAug 04 05:59
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Nucleus Software and Red Hat collaborate toAug 04 05:59
TweetTuxMachines                 help Non-Banking Finance Companies shape theAug 04 05:59
TweetTuxMachines                 Future of Lending in IndiaAug 04 05:59
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/LwZrtiB1pE (www.bobsguide.com)Aug 04 05:59
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ncm5iAug 04 05:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bobsguide.com | Nucleus Software and Red Hat collaborate to help Non-Banking Finance Companies shape the Future of... - bobsguide.comAug 04 05:59
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DaemonFCThe cheap Windows laptops are selling because Google crippled Chrome OS in certain ways.Aug 04 06:04
DaemonFCNot being able to plug in a printer and print documents pisses me off.Aug 04 06:04
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/628507417396015104Aug 04 06:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @schestowitz for your amusement: https://t.co/S2TzRsUlFGAug 04 06:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techdirt.com | Microsoft Launches Special 'Scott McNealy' Edition Of Windows | TechdirtAug 04 06:08
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Reproducible builds: week 14 in Stretch cycle Aug 04 06:09
TweetTuxMachines                 https://t.co/cXHj1pO3Mr (people.debian.org)Aug 04 06:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://people.debian.org/%7Elunar/blog/posts/reproducible_builds_stretch_week_14/ )Aug 04 06:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Open-spec motor control kit runs Linux on ZynqAug 04 06:09
TweetTuxMachines                 SoC http://t.co/x4PJyI9xwK (linuxgizmos.com)Aug 04 06:09
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ncm8nAug 04 06:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Open-spec motor control kit runs Linux on Zynq SoC ·  LinuxGizmos.comAug 04 06:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Kernel 4.1.4 LTS Released with NumerousAug 04 06:09
TweetTuxMachines                 Updated Drivers, ARM64 ImprovementsAug 04 06:10
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/M7yo44ux3d (news.softpedia.com)Aug 04 06:10
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ncm8oAug 04 06:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 4.1.4 LTS Released with Numerous Updated Drivers, ARM64 Improvements - SoftpediaAug 04 06:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Lollipop (Android 5.0, 5.1) is now installed onAug 04 06:10
TweetTuxMachines                 18.1% of Android devices http://t.co/D5xuXVz4LLAug 04 06:10
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.phonearena.com) http://t.co/dPqolDTka1Aug 04 06:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phonearena.com | Lollipop (Android 5.0, 5.1) is now installed on 18.1% of Android devicesAug 04 06:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-phandroid.com | Android versions for August 2015: Lollipop now at 18.1%Aug 04 06:10
TweetTuxMachines                 (phandroid.com)Aug 04 06:10
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schestowitzme: Funny you say that. Literally an hour ago I thought about exactly this same analogy, having written this http://techrights.org/2015/07/30/fud-from-mary-branscombe/Aug 04 06:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Making the Case for Koha: Why Libraries ShouldAug 04 06:10
TweetTuxMachines                 Consider an Open Source ILSAug 04 06:10
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/209nE5xPyP (www.tuxmachines.org)Aug 04 06:10
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ncm8rAug 04 06:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft’s Mouthpiece Mary Branscombe Tries to Shoot Down Free Software, But Fails Miserably | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nb2fg ]Aug 04 06:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Making the Case for Koha: Why Libraries Should Consider an Open Source ILS | Tux MachinesAug 04 06:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Canonical Publishes Impressive Roadmap for AllAug 04 06:10
TweetTuxMachines                 of Their Ubuntu Products http://t.co/y1EsHMmwp9Aug 04 06:10
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Aug 04 06:10
schestowitzFree like free puppyAug 04 06:10
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ncm8tAug 04 06:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical Publishes Impressive Roadmap for All of Their Ubuntu Products | Tux MachinesAug 04 06:10
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/628508692086956032Aug 04 06:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @schestowitz we're obviously hurtling back to 1999...Aug 04 06:13
schestowitznow it's a talking point against proprietary software with data suckage and back doorsAug 04 06:13
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Yesterday and Today in TechrightsAug 04 06:28
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/ibu8AXF7QQ (www.tuxmachines.org)Aug 04 06:28
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ncmdsAug 04 06:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Yesterday and Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesAug 04 06:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNOME Software Package Manager App Updated forAug 04 06:28
TweetTuxMachines                 GNOME 3.16 to Fix Multiple BugsAug 04 06:28
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/wsXJ3vWdAL (linux.softpedia.com)Aug 04 06:28
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ncmduAug 04 06:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | GNOME Software Package Manager App Updated for GNOME 3.16 to Fix Multiple Bugs - SoftpediaAug 04 06:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GParted 0.23.0 Open Source Partition EditorAug 04 06:28
TweetTuxMachines                 Adds Support for Setting New Btrfs UUIDAug 04 06:28
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/74RhrnkAmX (news.softpedia.com)Aug 04 06:28
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ncmdvAug 04 06:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | GParted 0.23.0 Open-Source Partition Editor Adds Support for Setting New Btrfs UUID - SoftpediaAug 04 06:28
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/mrumens/status/628514541962309632Aug 04 06:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mrumens: @schestowitz @PeterPyke Doesn't really matter since Microsoft no longer services XP. Despite this, I still use it.Aug 04 06:39
schestowitzThis puts you at great personal risk. Consider adopting #gnu #linux on the same (existing) PC.Aug 04 06:39
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Manjaro Community Proudly Presents The ReleaseAug 04 06:41
TweetTuxMachines                 of Manjaro Linux 0.8.13.1 i3 EditionAug 04 06:41
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/x6F1d9T5W8 (news.softpedia.com)Aug 04 06:41
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ncmgkAug 04 06:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Manjaro Community Proudly Presents the Release of Manjaro Linux 0.8.13.1 i3 Edition - SoftpediaAug 04 06:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     CUDA 7.0 enabled programs for Fedora 22Aug 04 06:41
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/x6bJcs93JB (negativo17.org)Aug 04 06:41
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ncmglAug 04 06:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-negativo17.org | CUDA 7.0 enabled programs for Fedora 22 | negativo17Aug 04 06:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     5 Android games with amazing graphics andAug 04 06:41
TweetTuxMachines                 visuals http://t.co/N6xYJJTJ8jAug 04 06:41
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.phonearena.com)Aug 04 06:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phonearena.com | 5 Android games with amazing graphics and visualsAug 04 06:41
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schestowitzhttp://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/aug/03/privacy-smartphones-battery-lifeAug 04 06:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | How your smartphone's battery life can be used to invade your privacy | Technology | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/nch2e ]Aug 04 06:45
schestowitz==Aug 04 06:45
schestowitzhttps://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/08/03/17-years-reporter-exposed-echelon-finds-vindication-snowden-archive/Aug 04 06:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-firstlook.org | After 27 Years, Reporter Who Exposed ECHELON Finds Vindication in Snowden Archive [ http://ur1.ca/ncbda ]Aug 04 06:45
schestowitz-Aug 04 06:45
schestowitzold:Aug 04 06:45
schestowitz30.Calls on the Commission and Member States toAug 04 06:45
schestowitzpromote software projects whose source text is madeAug 04 06:45
schestowitzpublic (open-source software), as this is the only wayAug 04 06:45
schestowitzof guaranteeing that no backdoors are built intoAug 04 06:45
schestowitzprogrammes;Aug 04 06:45
schestowitz31.Calls on the Commission to lay down a standardAug 04 06:45
schestowitzfor the level of security of e-mail software packages,Aug 04 06:45
schestowitzplacing those packages whose source code has not beenAug 04 06:45
schestowitzmade public in the "least reliable" category;Aug 04 06:45
schestowitz32.  Calls on the European institutions and the publicAug 04 06:45
schestowitzadministrations of the Member States systematically toAug 04 06:45
schestowitzencrypt e-mails, so that ultimately encryption becomesAug 04 06:45
schestowitzthe norm;Aug 04 06:45
schestowitz33.  Calls on the Community institutions and the publicAug 04 06:45
schestowitzadministrations of the Member States to provideAug 04 06:45
schestowitztraining for their staff and make their staff familiarAug 04 06:45
schestowitzwith new encryption technologies and techniques byAug 04 06:45
schestowitzmeans of the necessary practical training and courses;Aug 04 06:45
schestowitzhttp://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+REPORT+A5-2001-0264+0+DOC+XML+V0//ENAug 04 06:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.europarl.europa.eu | Report on the existence of a global system for the interception of private and commercial communications (ECHELON interception system) - Temporary Committee on the ECHELON Interception System - A5-0264/2001 [ http://ur1.ca/ncmhj ]Aug 04 06:45
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msb__schestowitz: "<schestowitz> [Using Windows XP] puts you at great personal risk."  How?Aug 04 06:51
msb__People point at him and laugh?  Loses 20IQ points?Aug 04 06:53
msb__Opens up a chronosynclastic infundibulum and sucks him down?Aug 04 06:54
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Sony launches Xperia M5 and C5 Ultra AndroidAug 04 07:00
TweetTuxMachines                 smartphones, with focus on perfect selfiesAug 04 07:00
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/2uGQbsjiCP (thenextweb.com)Aug 04 07:00
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ncml8Aug 04 07:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenextweb.com | Sony launches Xperia M5 and C5 Ultra Android smartphones, with focus on perfect selfiesAug 04 07:00
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Thursday night reception for LPCAug 04 07:00
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/iyO6UDtaEc (linuxplumbersconf.org)Aug 04 07:00
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux Plumbers Conference.Aug 04 07:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxplumbersconf.org | Thursday night reception for LPC –Aug 04 07:00
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ncml9Aug 04 07:00
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     "These are the top 5 flagships withAug 04 07:00
TweetTuxMachines                 quick-charging batteries."Aug 04 07:00
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/da2K12chWB (www.phonearena.com)Aug 04 07:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phonearena.com | Zero to hero: 5 high-end Android smartphones with quick-charging batteriesAug 04 07:00
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TweetTuxMachines                 (www.gamingonlinux.com)Aug 04 07:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | DiRT Showdown Tested On Linux, Preview Port Report | GamingOnLinuxAug 04 07:05
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DaemonFCColor me shocked.Aug 04 07:13
DaemonFCMicrosoft Edge's Flash Player screws up HBO Now. :PAug 04 07:13
DaemonFCWorks fine in Chrome.Aug 04 07:13
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DaemonFCSprint wants me to buy a tablet computer from them. They say the 7" LG G Pad is "free" if I agree to get a data plan for two years.Aug 04 07:24
DaemonFCThe lowest data plan is $10 a month for 100 MB of mobile data. So, I could just use it on wifi, and it'd come out to $240 over two years.Aug 04 07:24
DaemonFCNot sure if it's worth that much though.Aug 04 07:24
oiaohmNo way.Aug 04 07:25
oiaohm7 inch LG G pad I think is only 100 AUD.Aug 04 07:25
DaemonFCYeah, I figured as much.Aug 04 07:28
DaemonFCWhen Sprint says "free" it means make sure you still have your wallet.Aug 04 07:28
DaemonFC:)Aug 04 07:28
DaemonFCOf course, they're hardly the worst about that.Aug 04 07:28
DaemonFCFor a long time, AT&T was slipping an extra $10 a month on every 4G LTE phone and calling it a "premium data surcharge". :)Aug 04 07:29
oiaohmDaemonFC: no best price is 150 AUDAug 04 07:29
oiaohmSo it a slightly more expensive one.Aug 04 07:30
DaemonFCYeah, but that's Australian.Aug 04 07:30
oiaohmWorst price is 589Aug 04 07:30
DaemonFChttp://www.androidcentral.com/lg-g-pad-f-70-coming-sprint-customers-march-17-free-contractAug 04 07:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidcentral.com | LG G Pad F 7.0 coming to Sprint on March 17; free on contract | Android Central [ http://ur1.ca/ncmtf ]Aug 04 07:30
oiaohmBoth of those prices are unlocked and planlessAug 04 07:30
DaemonFC", Sprint also says that it is running a limited promotion whereby customers can lease an LG G3 bundled with the tablet with unlimited talk, text, and 1GB of data for $90 per month."Aug 04 07:31
DaemonFCOf course they are. The LG G3 isn't the current model.Aug 04 07:31
DaemonFCHave to move those leftovers somehow. :)Aug 04 07:31
DaemonFCoiaohm, Seems there's an older model.Aug 04 07:32
DaemonFCThe F7.0 has better specs.Aug 04 07:33
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DaemonFCIt wouldn't really be very useful.Aug 04 07:35
oiaohmDepends on the G3Aug 04 07:36
DaemonFCI already have one of the best Android phones they make.Aug 04 07:36
oiaohmSome G3 are more expensive than F70Aug 04 07:36
DaemonFCThe tablet's screen is a little bigger, but the processor is slower, it has less RAM, the internal storage isn't great.Aug 04 07:36
oiaohmThe ones here are dual simAug 04 07:36
DaemonFCNah, Sprint wanted you to leave with the G3 and the F7.0 tablet.Aug 04 07:36
DaemonFCRight now I'm on a Sprint Lease with the Galaxy S6. I don't have too many complaints about it.Aug 04 07:37
DaemonFCIt's fast. It's stable. It's packed with features. The battery life leaves a little to be desired, but it's not the worst on the market in that area.Aug 04 07:37
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DaemonFCThe flagship that chews through the battery the fastest this round is the iPhone 6.Aug 04 07:38
oiaohmI guess the G3 duel sim is worthless on a sprint plan.Aug 04 07:38
DaemonFCProbably to nobody's surprise.Aug 04 07:38
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oiaohmDaemonFC: normally I am a scavanger when it comes to phones.Aug 04 07:39
oiaohmcyngonmod supporting phone a person does not want I take.Aug 04 07:40
DaemonFCYeah, the S2 is really proving itself there.Aug 04 07:40
DaemonFCYou can run the latest CM on it, and it had a user replaceable battery.Aug 04 07:40
DaemonFCCosts about $8 to swap the battery.Aug 04 07:41
DaemonFCThe newer phones have more bells and whistles though, obviously.Aug 04 07:41
DaemonFCFaster processors, more RAM, better screen, wireless charging, wifi calling.Aug 04 07:42
DaemonFCTons of stuff.Aug 04 07:42
oiaohmDaemonFC: With what I do I sometimes destory the phone.Aug 04 07:42
DaemonFCYeah, so you really don't want an S6 if you might destroy it.Aug 04 07:42
DaemonFCThe base model starts out at like $650 I think.Aug 04 07:42
DaemonFCThere's rumor of a price cut coming. Aug 04 07:42
DaemonFCThat's to be expected I guess.Aug 04 07:43
DaemonFCThe used phone market is saturated. You can't really get anything out of your two year old phone because they're everywhere.Aug 04 07:43
DaemonFCPlus, lower end Androids aren't as bad as they used to be.Aug 04 07:43
DaemonFCWhen I got my old LG G2, the low end Androids were bad. Really bad.Aug 04 07:44
DaemonFCSome still are, I guess.Aug 04 07:44
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/David_Lally/status/628531847887212544Aug 04 07:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@David_Lally: @schestowitz That's quite a good point, I'd never thought of it quite that way before. Bravo.Aug 04 07:47
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oiaohmXRevan86: connection troubles?Aug 04 08:06
XRevan86oiaohm: Not quite.Aug 04 08:07
XRevan86oiaohm: New kernel update at the VPS.Aug 04 08:07
XRevan86Linux 4.1.4Aug 04 08:08
DaemonFC`I got a good deal on a used monitor but there's no cable.Aug 04 08:18
DaemonFC`I bought a 6 foot DVI cable on ebay for $4. I'll just wait a few days and get it in the mail. Best Buy wants $20 for a freaking monitor cable, their cheapest brand.Aug 04 08:19
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DaemonFCWell, I found a VGA cable, but no DVI-VGA adapter. If I can find one, it'll do in the meantime. I just don't like using VGA. The image is not as crisp, and colors can get a little bit off.Aug 04 08:25
DaemonFCDamn it. I must have gotten 20 of those over the years every time I bought a video card, and now I can't find one anywhere.Aug 04 08:27
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cubexyzWindows XP had the same problem Windows 2.0 hadAug 04 09:09
cubexyzit was slowAug 04 09:09
cubexyzon the same machine Linux performed betterAug 04 09:09
MinceRwinblows had many more problems than thatAug 04 09:12
MinceRincluding the lendows crowd's favorite feature, client side decorationsAug 04 09:13
TweetTuxMachines@RamiSilawi      RT @tuxmachines: Canonical Publishes ImpressiveAug 04 09:17
TweetTuxMachines                 #Roadmap for All of Their #Ubuntu ProductsAug 04 09:17
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/GDCmJGr6BR (news.softpedia.com)Aug 04 09:17
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/RamiSilawi/status/628531133303533568Aug 04 09:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Canonical Publishes Impressive Roadmap for All of Their Ubuntu Products - SoftpediaAug 04 09:17
schestowitzhttps://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6425000Aug 04 09:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@harryhaller@nerdpol.ch: _at the CIA, the tail wagged the dog, that America’s real business was covert activities, not intelligence collecting and analysis_ [chalmers johnson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalmers_Johnson) "[sorrows of empire](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgnKZ5UgYS0)" CIA not NSA #usa #cia #empire #destabilisation #chalmersjohnson #sorrowofempireAug 04 09:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> en.wikipedia.org | Chalmers Johnson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/g2o8g ]Aug 04 09:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com | The Sorrows of Empire - Chalmers Johnson - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/ncnml ]Aug 04 09:17
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DaemonFCcubexyz, Right after XP came out, it was just awful.Aug 04 10:27
DaemonFCLots of bug. LOTS of bugs.Aug 04 10:27
DaemonFCVery slow.Aug 04 10:27
DaemonFCLots of apps just didn't work at all.Aug 04 10:27
DaemonFCRemember those Application Compatibility Updates?Aug 04 10:28
cubexyznot reallyAug 04 10:28
DaemonFCMicrosoft would release some shim packs to get software working on XP.Aug 04 10:28
cubexyzI didn't really use XP very muchAug 04 10:28
DaemonFCMost of the broken apps were written for Windows 9x, so they needed the shims.Aug 04 10:28
cubexyzwin2k was the last version I used to any great degreeAug 04 10:29
DaemonFChttps://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/319580Aug 04 10:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-support.microsoft.com | [ http://ur1.ca/nco88 ]Aug 04 10:29
DaemonFCThere's an example of one.Aug 04 10:29
DaemonFChttps://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/308381Aug 04 10:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-support.microsoft.com | [ http://ur1.ca/nco8q ]Aug 04 10:30
cubexyzI prefer the control motif gives you over the windows APIAug 04 10:33
DaemonFChttps://bgr.com/2015/02/28/battery-draining-smartphone-apps-facebook/Aug 04 10:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com | Don’t use Facebook’s mobile app on your smartphone | BGR [ http://ur1.ca/nco9q ]Aug 04 10:34
MinceRDon't use FacebookAug 04 10:34
MinceRFTFYAug 04 10:34
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cubexyzthe whole c:\ thing is sillyAug 04 10:39
DaemonFChttps://bgr.com/2015/08/03/windows-10-porn-screensaver/Aug 04 10:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com | Windows 10: Porn screensaver surprises man and his wife | BGR [ http://ur1.ca/ncoc4 ]Aug 04 10:40
DaemonFC"Posting on Reddit, a man detailed how he began the Windows 10 installation process at night before going to bed. Come the next morning, his wife woke him up asking why their computer’s screensaver was cycling through the man’s ostensibly private porn photo collection which, he later explained, included quite a few celebrity nudes."Aug 04 10:41
cubexyzoldAug 04 10:41
XRevan86DaemonFC: Why would anybody care?Aug 04 10:41
XRevan86I hardly can even call that an Шindows 10 issue.Aug 04 10:42
MinceRshindows?Aug 04 10:43
XRevan86MinceR: yupAug 04 10:44
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/bsod-microsoft-vista.jpgAug 04 10:53
XRevan86cubexyz: Time to reinstall Шindows.Aug 04 10:55
cubexyzeven Gates got the BSOD one time :)Aug 04 10:55
cubexyzplug in the scanner and ...WHOAAug 04 10:55
XRevan86cubexyz: Win98 preview, yeah.Aug 04 10:55
XRevan86plug-n-dieAug 04 10:56
cubexyzand the surface tablet did the same thing later onAug 04 10:56
XRevan86dont-plug-yet-die-anywayAug 04 10:57
MinceRi think he got it more than one timeAug 04 10:57
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cubexyzI think Minix runs, or at least can run device drivers in userspaceAug 04 11:11
cubexyzmost of these software crashes seem to be driver relatedAug 04 11:11
MinceRmicrokernels tend to be required to run device drivers in userspaceAug 04 11:12
MinceRthough even gnu/linux can run certain device drivers in userspaceAug 04 11:12
MinceR(chiefly printer drivers and some usb device stuff)Aug 04 11:12
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cubexyzthere used to be a LKM for the scannerAug 04 11:15
cubexyzand there's one for using the parallel portAug 04 11:16
cubexyzthe scanner LKM wasn't compatible with 2.6 kernels so I couldn't use it Aug 04 11:19
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DaemonFCMinceR, Windows pushed most of the drivers out to userspace a long time ago.Aug 04 12:15
DaemonFCThe sound and video drivers at least.Aug 04 12:16
MinceRand the windowing system to the kernelAug 04 12:16
DaemonFCYour drivers can crash and it's not fatal if it happens.Aug 04 12:16
DaemonFCOn Linux, your system is just stuffed.Aug 04 12:16
MinceRbut feel free to wank about the 2 bits that are outside the kernelAug 04 12:16
MinceRstrange, my system wasn't stuffed until poetteringware broke itAug 04 12:16
DaemonFCEither you get a frozen screen or you get kicked out to a console with some indecipherable crap.Aug 04 12:17
DaemonFCWell, the quality of the open source AMD drivers is excellent lately, but it wasn't always so.Aug 04 12:17
DaemonFCJust a few years ago, crashes were very common.Aug 04 12:17
DaemonFCAnd you had to choose between slow drivers that were missing lots of important features, or the newer drivers that crashed more.Aug 04 12:18
MinceRthis is similar to m$ wanking about putting how the windowing system in the kernel makes it so zomg-fastAug 04 12:18
MinceReven though sawfish and usermode x easily beat itAug 04 12:18
MinceR(sawfish, which ran slow lisp code to put together its decorations)Aug 04 12:18
DaemonFCAgain, that wasn't always the case.Aug 04 12:18
MinceRi'm tired of all the theoretical benefits to m$ "technology" that never manifest in practiceAug 04 12:19
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cubexyzcomputers have been crashing due to overheatingAug 04 12:57
cubexyzthen it doesn't matter which OS you're usingAug 04 12:57
cubexyzI remember this one motherboard that for some reason would gather dust inside the memory socketAug 04 12:57
cubexyzonce a year I'd have to remove the DIMMs and clean the socketsAug 04 12:58
cubexyzsome sort of electro-static effect I guessAug 04 12:58
DaemonFCRyan Farmer How do you have Windows on a 16 GB SSD? Even if you turn off the page file, hibernation, etc., it still wouldn't fit.Aug 04 13:06
DaemonFCI'm sure that Acer will expand their assortment of crapware to erase whatever efficiency gains were made. Gotta make money somehow. I don't know how you sell a laptop with Windows for $169, and I don't think I want to, but I'm sure you'll get everything you're paying for. (Also, I'm on Windows 10 right now and the C:\Windows folder alone is 16.5 GB, and that doesn't even take anything else into account.)Aug 04 13:06
cubexyzI'm running openbsd on a 7 gig hard drive Aug 04 13:11
cubexyzbut to make a comparison Unix version 5 could fit into a RK05 which is 2.5 megsAug 04 13:11
cubexyzso 16 gigs is no sweatAug 04 13:12
DaemonFChttp://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-silently-uses-your-bandwidth-to-send-updates-to-othersAug 04 13:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | Windows 10 silently uses your bandwidth to send updates to others | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/ncpv4 ]Aug 04 13:12
DaemonFCRyan Farmer So, Windows went from bordering on malware to actual malware. It hijacks your internet connection that you are paying for and makes you foot Microsoft's bandwidth bills.Aug 04 13:12
DaemonFCVernon E Parker III I wouldn't say silently since they did say this would be a part of how Windows would help speed up the windows update feature in most of their promotional materials.Aug 04 13:12
DaemonFCRyan Farmer And of course everyone would have read the Windows promotional materials...Aug 04 13:13
DaemonFCJason Fiore Ryan, the build you're using on your machine is not the same build that's on these low end devices. These are running the Windows 10 equivalent of "Windows 8.1 with Bing," a low-to-zero cost version of Windows specifically designed for these small devices.Aug 04 13:16
DaemonFCAgain, you're likely coming from the Windows 7 camp. Windows devices have been shipping with these specs for almost two years.Aug 04 13:16
DaemonFCRyan Farmer Well, granted I have no experience with the build you seem to be talking about, because in the one I'm using they even have two different control panels that interfere with one another, and two web browsers that I don't want to use. It's not eactly svelte.Aug 04 13:16
DaemonFCI's more like Windows Multiple Personality Disorder Edition.Aug 04 13:17
MinceRlolAug 04 13:17
cubexyztom's root boot was the most GNU/Linux you could get on 1 floppy diskAug 04 13:18
DaemonFCOf course, Microsoft has a long history of downplaying minimum system requirements.Aug 04 13:19
DaemonFCLike Windows 95 on a 386 with 8 MB of RAM.Aug 04 13:19
DaemonFCIt depends on what your definition of is is.Aug 04 13:19
cubexyzI remember thatAug 04 13:20
DaemonFCMicrosoft is also infamous for bugs that never should have made it out of the beta testing process.Aug 04 13:21
DaemonFCNo matter how many years go between releases.Aug 04 13:21
DaemonFCIn Windows Me, System Restore would back up malware so that it could be restored after your antivirus program removed it.Aug 04 13:22
DaemonFCThen at one day that September, System Restore quit making restore points, and you had to use a hotfix to get it working again.Aug 04 13:22
DaemonFCOf course, you have to apply a liberal definition of the word "working" because it frequently just broke your system even worse than before you ran it.Aug 04 13:23
DaemonFCAnyone who has been around for a while knows the score by now.Aug 04 13:24
DaemonFCIt takes Microsoft so long to make a product work right that it's almost time to "upgrade" again.Aug 04 13:24
DaemonFChttp://arstechnica.com/security/2015/08/0-day-bug-in-fully-patched-os-x-comes-under-active-exploit-to-hijack-macs/Aug 04 13:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | 0-day bug in fully patched OS X comes under active exploit to hijack Macs | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/ncq15 ]Aug 04 13:30
DaemonFCI guess it wasn't fully patched enough.Aug 04 13:30
DaemonFCThey'd better fully patch it some more.Aug 04 13:30
MinceRlolAug 04 13:33
MinceRIt Just Needs More Work(tm)Aug 04 13:33
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DaemonFCMinceR, Re: Facebook. I try not to use mobile apps if there's a website that I can load in Firefox just as easily.Aug 04 14:12
DaemonFCHaving the app in some cases is just a stupid waste of storage space, and the whole reason they want you to use the app is so they can gather data about you from your phone.Aug 04 14:13
abeNd-organd you dont have to keep turning off 20 notifations each time a new version of the app is downloadedAug 04 14:18
DaemonFCOh, don't you hate that?Aug 04 14:19
DaemonFC50 notifications telling you about each app it jsut updated.Aug 04 14:20
DaemonFCWho gives a shit? God damn. Go away! You know? :PAug 04 14:20
abeNd-orgthat, & it seems like each time you update an app, it resets the app's notifications, so you start getting all the annoying groupon/facebook/whatever notifications againAug 04 14:20
abeNd-organd yeah, just update the apps silently in the background, i dont need to be told app X updated however many times this week, especially if im on the beta ring for itAug 04 14:22
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DaemonFChttp://mashable.com/2015/08/04/os-x-flaw-adware-mac/Aug 04 14:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mashable.com | Hackers are exploiting an OS X flaw to install unwanted adware [ http://ur1.ca/ncqob ]Aug 04 14:37
DaemonFCFacebook is about the chattiest app there is.Aug 04 14:38
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/628569865109028864Aug 04 14:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: As it does not support creation of encrypted drives, #GParted will not become the Swiss Army Knife for disk creation https://t.co/tEOTffKURtAug 04 14:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #GParted 0.23.0 Open Source Partition Editor Adds Support for Setting New Btrfs UUID http://t.co/MKrCezjNQ2Aug 04 14:58
schestowitz[18:30] <DaemonFC> I guess it wasn't fully patched enough.Aug 04 14:59
abeNd-orghttp://forums.techsoup.org/cs/community/b/tsblog/archive/2015/08/04/7-things-nonprofits-should-know-as-millennials-take-over-the-world.aspx ahahaaaha - Millennials will make up as much as 75 percent of the U.S. workforce by 2025. - this person assumes millennials actually want to workAug 04 14:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.techsoup.org | 7 Things Nonprofits Should Know As Millennials Take Over the World [ http://ur1.ca/ncqve ]Aug 04 14:59
schestowitzMust wait till NSA finds another bug doorsAug 04 14:59
schestowitzThen Apple can 'patch' this oneAug 04 14:59
schestowitzabeNd-org: they doAug 04 15:00
abeNd-orgI am sure there are some that do, but most are just "entitled" & "deserve" everything for freeAug 04 15:01
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MinceRDaemonFC: also, dumbFuckBook will use every bit of information they know about you, against youAug 04 15:11
MinceRand they'll also hand it over to micro$oft and the nsa.Aug 04 15:11
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/628644295218589697Aug 04 15:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Sound worse than eBola !Aug 04 15:11
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DaemonFCMinceR, They parodied Facebook in GTA V.Aug 04 15:12
DaemonFCThey called it LifeInvader.Aug 04 15:12
MinceR:>Aug 04 15:12
DaemonFCYour guy had to go on a mission to put a bomb in Mark Zuckerberg's phone.Aug 04 15:13
DaemonFCTo blow his head off on the evening news.Aug 04 15:13
MinceRlolAug 04 15:14
schestowitzDaemonFC: fuckerbuckAug 04 15:14
DaemonFCYeah, I loved that game.Aug 04 15:14
schestowitz!google zuckerberg sweats youtubeAug 04 15:14
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Mark Zuckerberg Sweats About Privacy Issues On ... - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DdmYzjjSfT8sAug 04 15:14
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - D8 Interview Video: Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DG4XGbZ7IrC8Aug 04 15:14
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Mark Zuckerberg gets hot under the collar over your ... - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dit2yjVeqEHQAug 04 15:14
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Mark Zuckerberg Sweats and Distracts When Asked ... - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DuANQCptsuggAug 04 15:14
DaemonFCI liked the last mission, where you rob the Federal Reserve.Aug 04 15:15
DaemonFCActually, I liked all of the missions.Aug 04 15:15
DaemonFCI was reading Jamie Zawinski's blog out of boredom.Aug 04 15:20
DaemonFCHe posted an article from the late 1990s about how skaters would show up with power tools and rip out the anti-skating fixtures from sidewalks and parking lots and stuff.Aug 04 15:21
DaemonFCI wish people would start doing that to homeless spikes.Aug 04 15:21
MinceRgive the poor spikes a home!Aug 04 15:25
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abeNd-orgyes, put them on the US/MX border Aug 04 15:33
schestowitzcubexyz: https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/628649444901154816Aug 04 15:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: Garbage [in]---> (version +1)---> [out] Garbage (+ new bugs 10^11) https://t.co/R3QgBWeTvEAug 04 15:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #vista10 is like going 9 years into the past http://t.co/xPqymjPoe7Aug 04 15:33
abeNd-org& handle the homeless problem with compassion.... however that will only help with some, as a goodly portion of the homeless have mental issues & that needs to be handled differentlyAug 04 15:33
schestowitz[11:04] <DaemonFC> The cheap Windows laptops are selling because Google crippled Chrome OS in certain ways.Aug 04 15:34
schestowitzInstall Linux on themAug 04 15:34
schestowitzworks OKAug 04 15:34
schestowitzthough you might have to tweak croûton a bit to start CUPSAug 04 15:35
schestowitztook me a while to set upAug 04 15:35
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schestowitzfor the wife, DaemonFCAug 04 15:35
schestowitzit's not an issueAug 04 15:35
schestowitzso long as you use the freedom of chromebooksAug 04 15:35
schestowitzto install another OSAug 04 15:35
schestowitz[10:09] <DaemonFC> http://www.engadget.com/2015/08/04/acer-aspire-one-cloudbook/Aug 04 15:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com | Acer Aspire One Cloudbook gives you a full Windows laptop for $169 [ http://ur1.ca/nclq8 ]Aug 04 15:36
schestowitzSpying machine, underpoweredAug 04 15:36
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DaemonFCYeah. 2 GB of RAM is really bad. Probably soldered too, like my Chromebook.Aug 04 15:38
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cubexyzto me the main advantage of a chomebook is corebootAug 04 15:40
cubexyzolder chromebooks did not have the memory soldered to the motherboardAug 04 15:42
cubexyzAcer C710 is upgradeableAug 04 15:43
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Yesterday and Today in TechrightsAug 04 15:48
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    http://t.co/ibu8AXF7QQ (www.tuxmachines.org)Aug 04 15:48
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    Aug 04 15:48
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ncratAug 04 15:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Announcing the shutdown of the Ada InitiativeAug 04 15:48
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/HhsRRfxHyp (www.tuxmachines.org)Aug 04 15:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Yesterday and Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesAug 04 15:48
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ncravAug 04 15:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Announcing the shutdown of the Ada Initiative | Tux MachinesAug 04 15:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Personal Will Have Unity 8 and Mir byAug 04 15:48
TweetTuxMachines                 Default and Will Run X Legacy AppsAug 04 15:48
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/DZ8oqjFvYC (www.tuxmachines.org)Aug 04 15:48
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ncrazAug 04 15:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Personal Will Have Unity 8 and Mir by Default and Will Run X Legacy Apps | Tux MachinesAug 04 15:48
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DaemonFChttp://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2015/08/04/apple-stock-implosion-billions/31110665/Aug 04 16:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.usatoday.com | Apple stock implosion shreds $113.4B [ http://ur1.ca/ncri4 ]Aug 04 16:08
schestowitzLOLAug 04 16:11
schestowitzwardrobe malfunctionAug 04 16:11
schestowitzNSFW: https://twitter.com/pimpjuicewow/status/628653287470944256Aug 04 16:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pimpjuicewow: Lenny Kravitz's dick says "hey, wsup, hello!" on stage 🎥 http://t.co/2I0PTCpc82Aug 04 16:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dorseyshaw: This GIF of Lenny Kravitz's penis popping out of his leather pants is kinda relaxing tbh http://t.co/RDCgSXAUBmAug 04 16:11
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DaemonFChttps://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/Dn594399.aspx?f=255&MSPPError=-2147217396Aug 04 16:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-technet.microsoft.com | Windows Image File Boot (WIMBoot) Overview [ http://ur1.ca/ncrjm ]Aug 04 16:13
DaemonFCApparently, that's how they're getting Windows on a 16 GB SSD.Aug 04 16:13
schestowitzewww https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CLlUhZwWcAAWLKq.mp4Aug 04 16:14
schestowitzthis is what everyone talks about right nowAug 04 16:14
schestowitzno underwearAug 04 16:14
schestowitzhe thinks he;s tarzanAug 04 16:14
MinceRhumanity is headed back into barbarismAug 04 16:15
MinceRwelcome to the new dark ageAug 04 16:15
schestowitzcan't unsee thatAug 04 16:17
schestowitzanyway, people online share this as if, like it's fappeningAug 04 16:17
schestowitzbut it's only treated as abusive when that's done to femalesAug 04 16:18
MinceRthat's the wonderful world of the SIW-s (Social Injustice Warriors)Aug 04 16:19
MinceRtrying to make a right out of two wrongsAug 04 16:19
MinceRand if that fails, trying to make a right out of three wrongsAug 04 16:19
MinceRetc.Aug 04 16:19
DaemonFCMinceR, Third wave feminism bullshit.Aug 04 16:20
DaemonFC:)Aug 04 16:20
DaemonFCIf the facts don't support them they make something up.Aug 04 16:20
DaemonFCAll men are pigs.Aug 04 16:20
DaemonFCWomen are the victim of everything.Aug 04 16:20
DaemonFCOne of their big things is the "pay gap" myth that just won't die.Aug 04 16:21
DaemonFCThey even got the president to repeat it for them in the SOTU address in 2013.Aug 04 16:23
MinceRthe "president" is just a mouthpiece for his owners anywayAug 04 16:24
DaemonFCWell, I voted for him twice.Aug 04 16:24
DaemonFCThat's how the two party system gets you.Aug 04 16:24
MinceRyupAug 04 16:24
DaemonFCI think schestowitz said he doesn't vote.Aug 04 16:25
DaemonFCNot voting is voting, in a sense.Aug 04 16:27
MinceRhardlyAug 04 16:27
DaemonFCI agree with Richard Stallman about Bernie Sanders though.Aug 04 16:28
DaemonFCI'm going to vote for him in the primary next year, but there's the Clinton machine.Aug 04 16:28
DaemonFCThe banksters will unload practically unlimited money on her.Aug 04 16:28
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Bodhi Linux 3.1.0 Pre Invites Users to Test theAug 04 16:42
TweetTuxMachines                 New Moksha Desktop EnvironmentAug 04 16:42
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/6KvLZjInFF (www.tuxmachines.org)Aug 04 16:42
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ncrv7Aug 04 16:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Bodhi Linux 3.1.0 Pre Invites Users to Test the New Moksha Desktop Environment | Tux MachinesAug 04 16:42
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Open source Chromecast competitor, Matchstick,Aug 04 16:42
TweetTuxMachines                 is dead http://t.co/3HHmwtyo0IAug 04 16:42
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Aug 04 16:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open source Chromecast competitor, Matchstick, is dead | Tux MachinesAug 04 16:42
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ncrv9Aug 04 16:42
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*TweetTuxMachines saw that tweet by @tuxmachines tooAug 04 16:47
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*TweetTuxMachines saw that tweet by @tuxmachines tooAug 04 16:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Debian Finally Moves to GCC 5Aug 04 16:49
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/DItarLfQaC (www.tuxmachines.org)Aug 04 16:49
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ncrybAug 04 16:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian Finally Moves to GCC 5 | Tux MachinesAug 04 16:49
*TweetTuxMachines saw that tweet by @tuxmachines tooAug 04 16:49
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     AMD is working on a new Linux graphics driverAug 04 16:49
TweetTuxMachines                 to catch up with Nvidia http://t.co/iWGp6mM41OAug 04 16:49
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Aug 04 16:49
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ncryiAug 04 16:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AMD is working on a new Linux graphics driver to catch up with Nvidia | Tux MachinesAug 04 16:49
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msb__DaemonFC: Sanders will never win.  Primaries will be rigged or he will be murdered.Aug 04 17:03
msb__Or maybe the huge flood of propaganda will succeed.Aug 04 17:04
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Raspberry Jams bring Pi enthusiasts togetherAug 04 17:05
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/0aTPBKgmcw (www.tuxmachines.org)Aug 04 17:05
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ncs4eAug 04 17:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Raspberry Jams bring Pi enthusiasts together | Tux MachinesAug 04 17:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     AMD is working on a new Linux graphics driverAug 04 17:05
TweetTuxMachines                 to catch up with Nvidia http://t.co/n1mTrtZCUGAug 04 17:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com | AMD is working on a new Linux graphics driver to catch up with Nvidia | PCWorldAug 04 17:05
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.pcworld.com)Aug 04 17:05
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ncs4fAug 04 17:05
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Raspberry Jams bring Pi enthusiasts togetherAug 04 17:05
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/8mKN9fQVmX (opensource.com)Aug 04 17:05
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ncs4hAug 04 17:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com | Raspberry Jams bring Pi enthusiasts together | Opensource.comAug 04 17:05
DaemonFCmsb__, They are pulling out all the stops.Aug 04 17:06
DaemonFCThe New York Times is even in on it.Aug 04 17:06
msb__The NYT is _always_ in on it.Aug 04 17:06
msb__DaemonFC: watch these two RT shows:Aug 04 17:09
msb__http://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/270793-new-cold-war-conflict/Aug 04 17:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | Cold war redux (featuring Chris Hedges) RT — CrossTalk [ http://ur1.ca/ncs5u ]Aug 04 17:09
msb__http://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/310643-ukraine-chaos-western-media/Aug 04 17:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | Watching media RT — CrossTalk [ http://ur1.ca/ncs68 ]Aug 04 17:09
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/628674059291619328Aug 04 17:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: DOES HE REALLY NEED SOME? https://t.co/6uT1Rk6zsRAug 04 17:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Putting Lipstick on a Penguin http://t.co/FCAjvuPeml #gnu #linux #desktopAug 04 17:12
cubexyzone thing I noticed with openbsd regarding KDE 3.5.10Aug 04 17:15
cubexyzyou can install kdelibs and kdeutils (or other parts) without installing kdebaseAug 04 17:15
cubexyzthat greatly cuts down the amount of file space requiredAug 04 17:15
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     KDE dot org Redesign https://t.co/R6VAJfIHkDAug 04 17:16
TweetTuxMachines                 (kver.wordpress.com)Aug 04 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kver.wordpress.com | KDE.org Redesign | Ken VermetteAug 04 17:16
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ncs8iAug 04 17:16
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Unity 8 And KDE May Coexist On The FutureAug 04 17:16
TweetTuxMachines                 Versions Of The Ubuntu DesktopAug 04 17:16
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/fZTA0zhRtK (linuxg.net)Aug 04 17:16
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ncs8jAug 04 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net | Unity 8 And KDE May Coexist On The Future Versions Of The Ubuntu Desktop | LinuxG.netAug 04 17:16
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Putting Lipstick on a PenguinAug 04 17:16
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/BrJ0nWnNFc (fossforce.com)Aug 04 17:16
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ncs8kAug 04 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Putting Lipstick on a Penguin | FOSS ForceAug 04 17:16
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msb__RT just did a story about their reporter going to US State Dept and asking what is legal justification for US attacking Syrian military.   Spokesman could not answer.Aug 04 17:19
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/628680988999217152Aug 04 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: If I had to use #wordpress I wouldn't host it myself. Let someone else take responsibility for backups & updates. https://t.co/Zf4773Nl7sAug 04 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: All my #wordpress sites finally up to date. Anyone who has a WordPress site ought to patch ASAP. #security #cms #freeswAug 04 17:41
schestowitzThat would make one sensitive to DMCA censorship and many other issuesAug 04 17:41
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/628682802293248000Aug 04 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: Then don't use #wordpress. #worstSoftwareEver https://t.co/w4ddBeul3gAug 04 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @qu1j0t3 That would make one sensitive to DMCA censorship and many other issuesAug 04 17:44
schestowitzvery good softwareAug 04 17:45
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     HPLIP Vulnerability Closed in Ubuntu OSesAug 04 17:51
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/r9Q1rAvCUn (www.tuxmachines.org)Aug 04 17:51
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ncsktAug 04 17:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | HPLIP Vulnerability Closed in Ubuntu OSes | Tux MachinesAug 04 17:51
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tanglu 3 (Chromodoris willani) released!Aug 04 17:54
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/zBcmhWSsIr (www.tuxmachines.org)Aug 04 17:54
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ncsm2Aug 04 17:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tanglu 3 (Chromodoris willani) released! | Tux MachinesAug 04 17:54
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*TweetTuxMachines @iArthurCDN favourited 'Debian Finally Moves to GCC 5 http://t.co/Av0GORtTsz'Aug 04 18:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Debian Finally Moves to GCC 5 - SoftpediaAug 04 18:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Xfce: Seven Reasons It's PopularAug 04 18:09
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/ZCGXIiSY56 (www.datamation.com)Aug 04 18:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datamation.com | Xfce: Seven Reasons It's Popular - DatamationAug 04 18:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Point Linux 3.0 (Agni) http://t.co/cnfTBs7jrAAug 04 18:09
TweetTuxMachines                 (distrowatch.com)Aug 04 18:09
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ncsr5Aug 04 18:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD.Aug 04 18:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     LibreOffice 5: The best office suite todayAug 04 18:09
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    won't cost you a dime http://t.co/PJceLXq6qdAug 04 18:09
TweetTuxMachines @iArthurCDN     (www.tuxmachines.org)Aug 04 18:09
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ncsr6Aug 04 18:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice 5: The best office suite today won't cost you a dime | Tux MachinesAug 04 18:09
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Links 4/8/2015: http://t.co/KkESzmXmIfAug 04 18:48
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.kde.org) Redesign, Point Linux 3.0Aug 04 18:48
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/S0Eixp7Xg3 (techrights.org)Aug 04 18:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kde.org | KDE - Experience Freedom!Aug 04 18:48
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nct2vAug 04 18:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 4/8/2015: KDE.org Redesign, Point Linux 3.0 | TechrightsAug 04 18:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Fedora: The Latest http://t.co/kvr2f24TtBAug 04 18:48
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Aug 04 18:48
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nct2wAug 04 18:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora: The Latest | Tux MachinesAug 04 18:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat News http://t.co/c2CjCG1PycAug 04 18:48
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Aug 04 18:48
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nct30Aug 04 18:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat News | Tux MachinesAug 04 18:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: KDE/Qt http://t.co/8MGoso9F5bAug 04 18:49
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Aug 04 18:49
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nct31Aug 04 18:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: KDE/Qt | Tux MachinesAug 04 18:49
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/GaSK7cBrcBAug 04 18:49
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Aug 04 18:49
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nct34Aug 04 18:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux MachinesAug 04 18:49
MinceRhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhBdPx53pfQAug 04 19:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Apple Fanboys LOVE Android - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nct6h ]Aug 04 19:00
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/annejanbrouwer/status/628837983198822400Aug 05 04:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@annejanbrouwer: @schestowitz that's sad will probably get more new peeps to never find IRC and stick with the walled gardens of #slackAug 05 04:04
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/628857180423364611  https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/628857320043376640Aug 05 05:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz I wonder why you make such a fuzz about sth that I stated upfront. http://t.co/pjPlQr9XWj is a Red Hat project. (1/2)Aug 05 05:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> OpenSource.com | Open source is changing the world: join the movement | Opensource.comAug 05 05:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz We never claimed otherwise. We were open about that from day 1. (2/2)Aug 05 05:19
schestowitzYes, but recently it has been full of Red Hat jingoism and it's treated by Google as "news"Aug 05 05:20
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/628857528793866240Aug 05 05:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz soon even more ;-) I'm writing my review for http://t.co/pjPlQr9XWj as we tweet :-)Aug 05 05:20
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/628861319324766208Aug 05 05:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz seems open source SEO is a thing ;-) We should make a startup out if that!1!!Aug 05 05:35
schestowitzdon't interpret my comments as #redhat bashing, just a criticism in favour of independent mediaAug 05 05:36
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oiaohmhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=EXWM-Window-ManagerAug 05 06:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | EXWM: Turning Emacs Into An X Window Manager - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/ncybq ]Aug 05 06:19
oiaohmJust when you think emacs is overloaded enough.Aug 05 06:19
oiaohmSomeone adds more.Aug 05 06:19
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/628906811941326848Aug 05 08:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: LibreOffice 5.0 stands out from the office suite crowd @ruskin147 @schestowitz https://t.co/vmmQUXi4itAug 05 08:35
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/6424863Aug 05 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #UbuntuTouch Support Will Be Provided for as Long as Technically Possible http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-touch-support-will-be-provided-as-long-as-technically-possible-488449.shtml #ubuntu #linuxAug 05 09:16
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schestowitz"HAH, I’ll believe it when I see it. For the meantime I’ll be rolling on with Android + F-droid minus google spyware."Aug 05 09:16
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/launchderp/status/628945158952726528Aug 05 11:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@launchderp: @schestowitz That’s a big fat nooooooooooooope.Aug 05 11:16
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DaemonFCRyan Farmer ·Aug 05 11:23
DaemonFCAT&T isn't really that much better than Sprint. They only scored like 2 points higher for overall reliability in the fourth quarter of 2014, but switch from Sprint to AT&T and use the same amount of data and your bill might go up from $75 with Sprint to $120-130 with AT&T. I looked into it a while back and decided to stay with Sprint on the Best Buy One plan with the Galaxy S6 lease.Aug 05 11:23
DaemonFCNo unlimited data on AT&T. Also, Sprint stopped throttling right after the Federal Communications Commission told the carriers to knock it off. AT&T kept on doing it and got a fine of more than $100 million. Now AT&T is suing the FCC to protect their right to degrade your service instead of building out their network.Aug 05 11:23
DaemonFCAT&T is also responsible for a lot of graft and corruption in our government, since they spend a lot of your money bribing elected officials instead of building out their network. They're a really awful company. They haven't changed at all since the 1990s, when they were actively taking part in those 1-900 number scams. I refuse to do business with them at all.Aug 05 11:23
DaemonFCIt's amazing how many people complain about AT&T and sign up with them for another two years anyway. Well, they *are* basically an iPhone carrier, so when their network isn't going nuts, your phone probably is. *grin*Aug 05 11:23
DaemonFChttp://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2015/06/10/fappening-link-to-hundreds-of-icloud-attacks/Aug 05 11:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | 'Fappening' Celebrity Nude Leak Suspect Linked To 572 iCloud Hacks - Forbes [ http://ur1.ca/nd0nh ]Aug 05 11:25
DaemonFCRyan FarmerAug 05 11:34
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DaemonFCNice!Aug 05 11:34
DaemonFCNice! Now if he could just do something about the "right to life" shock jocks that post pictures of aborted fetuses on Facebook. Who wants to see that shit? Purely for shock and awe. The yuck factor. These people are nuts and assholes.