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| cubexyz | well, I gave it my best shot but I could get xmmix to run on Linux | Aug 02 01:25 |
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| cubexyz | a pity | Aug 02 01:25 |
| cubexyz | s/could/couldn't/ | Aug 02 01:25 |
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| DaemonFC | Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/42.0.2311.135 Safari/537.36 Edge/12.10136 | Aug 02 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | Heh | Aug 02 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | I like how the user agent for Edge starts at version 12. | Aug 02 01:47 |
| DaemonFC | https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2015/06/17/building-a-more-interoperable-web-with-microsoft-edge/ | Aug 02 01:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.windows.com | Building a more interoperable Web with Microsoft Edge | Microsoft Edge Dev Blog [ http://ur1.ca/nbw1t ] | Aug 02 01:48 | |
| schestowitz | lol | Aug 02 01:48 |
| schestowitz | interop | Aug 02 01:48 |
| schestowitz | now they have TWO browsers bolted into the OS | Aug 02 01:48 |
| schestowitz | not one | Aug 02 01:48 |
| schestowitz | and web devs need to test with more crappy browsers | Aug 02 01:48 |
| DaemonFC | They say that their goal is to make it work like Webkit in practice. | Aug 02 01:49 |
| schestowitz | MS and PBS, eh? | Aug 02 01:49 |
| schestowitz | !google pbs techrights | Aug 02 01:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Bill Gates Pays National Television (This Time PBS) for ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/01/10/public-broadcasting-service-as-instrument/ | Aug 02 01:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - What Has Happened to The Guardian? | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/05/27/the-guardian-fails/ | Aug 02 01:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique | Aug 02 01:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - 2014 December 14 | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2014/12/14/ | Aug 02 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | "Over the past year, we’ve seen some UA-sniffing sites that have been updated to detect Microsoft Edge… only to provide it with a legacy IE11 code path. This is not the best approach, as Microsoft Edge matches ‘WebKit’ behaviors, not IE11 behaviors (any Edge-WebKit differences are bugs that we’re interested in fixing). In our experience Microsoft Edge runs best on the ‘WebKit’ code paths in these sites. Also, with | Aug 02 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | the internet becoming available on a wider variety of devices, please assume unknown browsers are good – please don’t limit your site to working only on a small set of current known browsers. If you do this, your site will almost certainly break in the future." | Aug 02 01:49 |
| schestowitz | lol | Aug 02 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | This sounds an awful lot like what Firefox was saying back when IE 6 was being used by over 80% of web users. | Aug 02 01:50 |
| schestowitz | pot, kettle... | Aug 02 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | "In 2014, we had to add support for WebKit-prefixed CSS to render a very large number of modern (mobile) sites, after which we observed an improvement on more than 40% of mobile web sites. Rendering a usable mobile Web now depends on your browser supporting WebKit CSS prefixes; an approach that even Firefox is using." | Aug 02 01:51 |
| DaemonFC | Then they go on to say that you make your browser interoperable by just giving up and doing what Webkit does, even though it's not standardized. | Aug 02 01:52 |
| DaemonFC | *barf* | Aug 02 01:52 |
| schestowitz | yeah, lies for that headline | Aug 02 01:52 |
| schestowitz | "https://blogs.gnome.org/ignatenko/2015/07/31/fedora-22-on-cubietruck/" | Aug 02 01:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://blogs.gnome.org/ignatenko/2015/07/31/fedora-22-on-cubietruck/ ) | Aug 02 01:53 | |
| schestowitz | oops | Aug 02 01:53 |
| schestowitz | "Building a more interoperable Web with Microsoft Edge" | Aug 02 01:53 |
| schestowitz | Good, tell me more..." | Aug 02 01:53 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: ta for the link | Aug 02 01:55 |
| schestowitz | to some soon | Aug 02 01:55 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft -- Like Bill Gates -- Bribes PBS for Propaganda as 'Programme'" | Aug 02 01:55 |
| schestowitz | I wouldn't have noticed otherwise | Aug 02 01:55 |
| schestowitz | " PBS's announcement that it will air the Microsoft-funded 'reality' show Code Trip, " | Aug 02 01:55 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, like Koch-funded | Aug 02 01:55 |
| schestowitz | PBS is a sham now | Aug 02 01:55 |
| schestowitz | like BBC | Aug 02 01:55 |
| schestowitz | Should remove the "P" from the ecoronym | Aug 02 01:56 |
| *schestowitz scrolls up a bit | Aug 02 01:57 | |
| schestowitz | [03:34] <DaemonFC> Microsoft bought themselves a show on PBS. This comes after Walmart and the oil companies did the same thing. | Aug 02 01:57 |
| schestowitz | [03:34] <DaemonFC> Of course, with everyday people losing their personal wealth and being left unable to donate, while PBS had their public funding slashed by more than two-thirds under George W. Bush, this was probably inevitable. | Aug 02 01:57 |
| schestowitz | yes, PBS a sham now | Aug 02 01:58 |
| schestowitz | also did this for gates, maybe monsanto IIRC | Aug 02 01:58 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.hackersonlineclub.com/2015/08/oops-new-microsoft-windows-10-is-spying.html | Aug 02 01:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.hackersonlineclub.com | Oops! New Microsoft Windows 10 Is Spying On You - Hackers Online Club (HOC) [ http://ur1.ca/nbw4g ] | Aug 02 01:58 | |
| DaemonFC | They've been like this for years though. | Aug 02 01:58 |
| schestowitz | yes, not denying it | Aug 02 01:59 |
| schestowitz | same for BBC... | Aug 02 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is just the latest "sponsor" that has hijacked PBS. | Aug 02 01:59 |
| schestowitz | people must be wiser and demand change | Aug 02 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | It's not public broadcasting. It's just a zombie. | Aug 02 01:59 |
| schestowitz | I spoke to someone from Microsoft yetserday | Aug 02 01:59 |
| schestowitz | for half an hour | Aug 02 01:59 |
| schestowitz | they're not even told what's going on | Aug 02 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | http://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2015/05/06/a-break-from-the-past-part-2-saying-goodbye-to-activex-vbscript-attachevent/ | Aug 02 02:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.windows.com | A break from the past, part 2: Saying goodbye to ActiveX, VBScript, attachEvent… | Microsoft Edge Dev Blog [ http://ur1.ca/nbw4y ] | Aug 02 02:01 | |
| DaemonFC | Internet Explorer had accumulated a lot of garbage over the years, but it's still in Windows 10 and can't be removed. | Aug 02 02:01 |
| DaemonFC | Paul Thurrott said that Microsoft could release a platform update at some point along the way that rips it out, but they probably won't. | Aug 02 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | The support roadmap says that they're going to do security patches only for the next ten years, so it'll be there through 2025. They made it a part of the "platform", so there's really nothing they can do about this. If they remove it, thousands of applications that assume it's there and go to use it will break. | Aug 02 02:03 |
| schestowitz | will Micosoft last that long? | Aug 02 02:07 |
| schestowitz | They already killed phones, Windows RT | Aug 02 02:07 |
| schestowitz | one more update and it's abandoned | Aug 02 02:07 |
| DaemonFC | 220,000 lines of code, 6 document modes, and 300+ APIs removed from Trident for the EdgeHTML fork. | Aug 02 02:07 |
| DaemonFC | Damn. I didn't know IE had gotten that bad. | Aug 02 02:08 |
| schestowitz | yuck | Aug 02 02:08 |
| schestowitz | apparently there are enough fools who do 'upgrade' to it | Aug 02 02:09 |
| schestowitz | though you can't quite say how many | Aug 02 02:09 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft lies about the numbers | Aug 02 02:09 |
| schestowitz | (as it always does) | Aug 02 02:09 |
| DaemonFC | Apparently, an unnamed source said 67 million as of yesterday. | Aug 02 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | Doesn't seem right to me, but some sites repeated that figure. | Aug 02 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | Phoronix repeated it. | Aug 02 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | If we're supposed to believe that, then that means that Windows 7 and 8 basically collapsed in just two days, which is pretty far-fetched. | Aug 02 02:11 |
| DaemonFC | Lots of people have those OEM systems stuffed with bloatware and haven't been updating their system. Someone I know told me that he's too afraid to upgrade because it might cause him to lose everything. It'll make a damned mess for sure, with all of the stupid shit Lenovo did to his laptop before they shipped it. | Aug 02 02:12 |
| DaemonFC | "We recently demonstrated our early work on a modern, HTML/JavaScript-based extension model to provide extensibility beyond what is available with HTML5. " | Aug 02 02:14 |
| DaemonFC | Wouldn't surprise me if they make it extremely close to the extension model of Chrome or Safari, to encourage ports. | Aug 02 02:14 |
| schestowitz | [07:10] <DaemonFC> Doesn't seem right to me, but some sites repeated that figure. | Aug 02 02:15 |
| schestowitz | [07:10] <DaemonFC> Phoronix repeated it. | Aug 02 02:15 |
| schestowitz | EXACTLY | Aug 02 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | With the license that Mozilla had pdf.js under, it wouldn't surprise me if that's Edge's PDF viewer. | Aug 02 02:15 |
| schestowitz | and I chastised Michael over it | Aug 02 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | They took asm.js. | Aug 02 02:15 |
| schestowitz | BTW, Phoronix is not spyware-infected | Aug 02 02:15 |
| schestowitz | some pages have JS from over 30 (THIRTY) domains | Aug 02 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | I'm using Firefox Nightly 64-bit right now. | Aug 02 02:16 |
| schestowitz | asm.js is Eich's | Aug 02 02:16 |
| schestowitz | and I think he's not strong enough to stand up to MS now | Aug 02 02:16 |
| schestowitz | I talked to him a lot in twitter | Aug 02 02:16 |
| schestowitz | he doesn't realise how dangerous mono is | Aug 02 02:16 |
| schestowitz | so I explained to him | Aug 02 02:16 |
| schestowitz | he's still not convinces | Aug 02 02:17 |
| schestowitz | *ced | Aug 02 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | Notice that under "Why we don't need them now" they don't mention that ActiveX and BHOs were mostly malware or shit security toolbars, or malware toolbars. | Aug 02 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | Hmm, they cloned the about:flags menu. | Aug 02 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | They have one like the one Chrome uses, to let you enable "experiments". | Aug 02 02:19 |
| schestowitz | "about:thing" is a netscape/mozilla thing | Aug 02 02:21 |
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| DaemonFC | Man, this list of stuff they removed. | Aug 02 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | It's like everything they ever did to try to hijack the web. | Aug 02 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | It goes on into another page. | Aug 02 02:27 |
| DaemonFC | https://gist.github.com/MSEdge/63a18da22c1da2639b1a | Aug 02 02:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gist.github.com | Proprietary / Non-Inteoperable IE APIs no longer in Microsoft Edge · GitHub [ http://ur1.ca/nbwc0 ] | Aug 02 02:27 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-music-has-big-problems-2015-7 | Aug 02 02:31 |
| DaemonFC | Apple Music launch flops. It's full of infuriating bugs and features that nobody will ever use. | Aug 02 02:31 |
| DaemonFC | I can't say that I recall the last time that Spotify deleted songs out of my playlists or had playlists that they created that told me that I wasn't licensed to listen to them. :) | Aug 02 02:31 |
| DaemonFC | "Apple Music is shaping up to be Apple's worst received product launch since Apple Maps in 2012. | Aug 02 02:31 |
| DaemonFC | Apple Music, released in June, was supposed to be Apple's big splash into the world of subscription on-demand music and online radio. But it seems to have a lot of bugs. | Aug 02 02:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | Apple Music has big problems - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/nbwcv ] | Aug 02 02:31 | |
| DaemonFC | Longtime Apple watcher Jim Dalrymple wrote about his experiences last week, saying that the Apple Music app on his phone deleted more than 4,000 songs after presenting a bunch of confusing options that were hard to override. (He later got most of it back.)" | Aug 02 02:31 |
| DaemonFC | I think what he means is that they deleted over 4,000 songs that were actually stored on his iPhone from iTunes. | Aug 02 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.billboard.com/articles/business/6641711/al-franken-apple-music-app-store-letter-ftc | Aug 02 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | Said the article, in part, | Aug 02 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | As previously reported, Apple takes a 30 percent cut of all purchases within its App store. Outside developers are barred from informing consumers within their App pages that the same service can be purchased on their third-party websites, thereby cutting Apple out of the equation. Rules also prohibit apps from including a link to their websites and from mentioning other platforms, like Google Play. | Aug 02 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | "These types of restrictions seem to offer no competitive benefit and may actually undermine the competitive process, to the detriment of consumers, who may end up paying substantially more than the current market price point," Franken said in his letter. | Aug 02 02:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.billboard.com | Sen. Al Franken Wants Federal Probe of Apple Music, App Store Practices | Billboard [ http://ur1.ca/nbpfq ] | Aug 02 02:33 | |
| DaemonFC | Franken's letter addresses concerns from music streaming services that believe consumers should be better informed about pricing disparities between the App store and their websites. Services including Spotify and Rdio charge $12.99/month in the App store to account for Apple's 30 percent cut. If purchased directly, the price would be $9.99/month. | Aug 02 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | Taking matters into their own hands, Spotify recently announced plans to email iPhone users with directions on how to alter their subscriptions in order to save a few dollars each month. "It's super simple," the emailed tutorial reads. | Aug 02 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | Apple Music, which launched June 30 to much fanfare, also charges $9.99 but does not have to worry about the company's 30 percent. | Aug 02 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if Apple will get angry about that and ban direct contact by email to tell their users that Apple is screwing them out of that money. | Aug 02 02:34 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: https://twitter.com/alphabetsuccess/status/627690301474222080 | Aug 02 02:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@alphabetsuccess: Budapest is Sleeping by Oscar Garcia-Olalla https://t.co/K7UAzJVk4y http://t.co/yZ5GPoC75q | Aug 02 02:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> 500px.com | Budapest is sleeping by Oscar García-Olalla / 500px | Aug 02 02:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@alphabetsuccess: Budapest is Sleeping by Oscar Garcia-Olalla https://t.co/K7UAzJVk4y http://t.co/yZ5GPoC75q | Aug 02 02:35 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3fc7ov/as_microsoft_astroturfingpr_budget_runs_dry_vista/ | Aug 02 02:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | As Microsoft AstroTurfing/PR Budget Runs Dry, Vista 10 Truths Come Out : conspiracy [ http://ur1.ca/nbweu ] | Aug 02 02:41 | |
| msb__ | PBS was hijacked decades ago. It used to have programs questioning actions of the US government. Then that suddenly stopped. The US govt and all major US corporations comprise a single entity in their motives, propaganda lines, and mutual assistance. They are all run by psychopaths, organized together, and viewing humanity as prey. | Aug 02 02:47 |
| msb__ | To realize the implications of this it helps to think of high-level psychopaths as insectoid aliens. They are inhuman/anti-human to that degree. Thinking of them that way helps overcome the distortion they create in our minds. They have gotten very good at passing for human; that is a standard psychopath trait. Think of Obama, charming and constantly smiling, as he destroyed Libya and installed a Nazi government in Ukraine. | Aug 02 02:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.heraldscotland.com/business/13524598.Bringing_Boston_back_home/ | Aug 02 03:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.heraldscotland.com | Bringing Boston back home (From Herald Scotland) [ http://ur1.ca/nbwkr ] | Aug 02 03:04 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.geek.com/news/kim-dotcom-says-his-own-mega-cloud-storage-service-isnt-safe-anymore-1629958/ | Aug 02 03:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geek.com | Kim Dotcom says his own Mega cloud storage service isn’t safe anymore | News | Geek.com [ http://ur1.ca/nbwmw ] | Aug 02 03:13 | |
| schestowitz | "The statements were made in a Slashdot Q&A session with the Mega founder. According to Dotcom, matters have conspired to wrest control of Mega from him. Because of his ongoing legal difficulties, he has opted to transfer all his shares in Mega to his wife. However, they’re now separated and reportedly heading for divorce." | Aug 02 03:13 |
| schestowitz | Crap, I have family videos on there | Aug 02 03:13 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6414871 | Aug 02 03:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Cecil the lion's brother #Jericho shot dead on SAME day #Zimbabwe bans hunting http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/cecil-lions-brother-jericho-shot-6178481 | Aug 02 03:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.mirror.co.uk | Cecil the lion's brother Jericho 'shot dead' on SAME day Zimbabwe bans hunting - Mirror Online [ http://ur1.ca/nbvmj ] | Aug 02 03:30 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/08/01/428426035/jericho-isnt-cecils-brother-and-is-probably-still-alive-lion-researcher-says | Aug 02 03:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.npr.org | Jericho Isn't Cecil's Brother And Is Probably Still Alive, Lion Researcher Says : The Two-Way : NPR [ http://ur1.ca/nbwqw ] | Aug 02 03:30 | |
| schestowitz | Maybe someone bamboozled the media | Aug 02 03:30 |
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| schestowitz | msb__: I would not say "Nazi government in Ukraine." | Aug 02 03:37 |
| schestowitz | To sound credible say, "government sympathetic to nazi idealogy" | Aug 02 03:38 |
| schestowitz | or something along those lines | Aug 02 03:38 |
| schestowitz | most people don't know the history of Ukraine | Aug 02 03:38 |
| schestowitz | and how some of them liaised with the Nazis against the Soviets | Aug 02 03:38 |
| schestowitz | Some worked in the death camps and were more feared than German-Austrian SS officers | Aug 02 03:38 |
| schestowitz | it's worth reminding to people | Aug 02 03:39 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/06/1282523/-The-Guardian-Western-Expansion-Aims-Helped-Put-Fascists-And-Neo-Nazis-in-Power-in-Ukraine | Aug 02 03:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailykos.com | The Guardian: Western Expansion Aims Helped Put Fascists And Neo-Nazis in Power in Ukraine [ http://ur1.ca/nbwtb ] | Aug 02 03:41 | |
| schestowitz | Max Blumenthal: http://www.salon.com/2014/02/25/is_the_us_backing_neo_nazis_in_ukraine_partner/ | Aug 02 03:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.salon.com | Is the US backing neo-Nazis in Ukraine? - Salon.com [ http://ur1.ca/gxii9 ] | Aug 02 03:41 | |
| schestowitz | "White supremacist banners and Confederate flags were draped inside Kiev’s occupied City Hall, and demonstrators have hoisted Nazi SS and white power symbols over a toppled memorial to V.I. Lenin. After Yanukovich fled his palatial estate by helicopter, EuroMaidan protesters destroyed a memorial to Ukrainians who died battling German occupation during World War II. Sieg heil salutes and the Nazi Wolfsangel symbol have become an | Aug 02 03:42 |
| schestowitz | increasingly common site in Maidan Square, and neo-Nazi forces have established “autonomous zones” in and around Kiev." | Aug 02 03:42 |
| schestowitz | "One of the “Big Three” political parties behind the protests is the ultra-nationalist Svoboda, whose leader, Oleh Tyahnybok, has called for the liberation of his country from the “Muscovite-Jewish mafia.” After the 2010 conviction of the Nazi death camp guard John Demjanjuk for his supporting role in the death of nearly 30,000 people at the Sobibor camp, Tyahnybok rushed to Germany to declare him a hero who was “fighting for truth. | Aug 02 03:43 |
| schestowitz | ” In the Ukrainian parliament, where Svoboda holds an unprecedented 37 seats, Tyahnybok’s deputy Yuriy Mykhalchyshyn is fond of quoting Joseph Goebbels – he has even founded a think tank originally called “the Joseph Goebbels Political Research Center.” According to Per Anders Rudling, a leading academic expert on European neo-fascism, the self-described “socialist nationalist” Mykhalchyshyn is the main link between Svoboda’s | Aug 02 03:43 |
| schestowitz | official wing and neo-Nazi militias like Right Sector." | Aug 02 03:43 |
| DaemonFC | Hmm, I jsut ran into a bitcoin mining trojan. | Aug 02 03:43 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Defender popped up and quarantined it. | Aug 02 03:43 |
| schestowitz | "Svoboda’s openly pro-Nazi politics have not deterred Senator John McCain from addressing a EuroMaidan rally alongside Tyahnybok, nor did it prevent Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland from enjoying a friendly meeting with the Svoboda leader this February. Eager to fend off accusations of anti-Semitism, the Svoboda leader recently hosted the Israeli Ambassador to Ukraine. “I would like to ask Israelis to also respect our | Aug 02 03:43 |
| schestowitz | patriotic feelings,” Tyahnybok has remarked. “Probably each party in the [Israeli] Knesset is nationalist. With God’s help, let it be this way for us too.”" | Aug 02 03:43 |
| DaemonFC | At least something works. :P | Aug 02 03:43 |
| schestowitz | "Two weeks later, 15,000 Svoboda members held a torchlight ceremony in the city of Lviv in honor of Stepan Bandera, a World War II-era Nazi collaborator who led the pro-fascist Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN-B). Lviv has become the epicenter of neo-fascist activity in Ukraine, with elected Svoboda officials waging a campaign to rename its airport after Bandera and successfully changing the name of Peace Street to the name of the | Aug 02 03:43 |
| schestowitz | Nachtigall Battalion, an OUN-B wing that participated directly in the Holocaust. “’Peace’ is a holdover from Soviet stereotypes,” a Svoboda deputy explained." | Aug 02 03:43 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I found out that AT&T and Verizon removed Microsoft's apps from their Galaxy S6 phones. | Aug 02 03:43 |
| DaemonFC | No OneDrive or OneNote. | Aug 02 03:44 |
| schestowitz | "Revered by Ukrainian nationalists as a legendary freedom fighter, Bandera’s real record was ignominious at best. After participating in a campaign to assassinate Ukrainians who supported accommodation with the Polish during the 1930’s, Bandera’s forces set themselves to ethnically cleanse western Ukraine of Poles in 1943 and 1944. In the process, they killed over 90,000 Poles and many Jews, whom Bandera’s top deputy and acting “ | Aug 02 03:44 |
| schestowitz | Prime Minister,” Yaroslav Stetsko, were determined to exterminate. Bandera held fast to fascist ideology in the years after the war, advocating a totalitarian, ethnically pure Europe while his affiliated Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) carried out a doomed armed struggle against the Soviet Union. The bloodbath he inspired ended when KGB agents assassinated him in Munich in 1959." | Aug 02 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | You can't remove them from the Sprint phone though. They're "system apps". | Aug 02 03:44 |
| schestowitz | "Many surviving OUN-B members fled to Western Europe and the United States – occasionally with CIA help – where they quietly forged political alliances with right-wing elements. “You have to understand, we are an underground organization. We have spent years quietly penetrating positions of influence,” one member told journalist Russ Bellant, who documented the group’s resurgence in the United States in his 1988 book, “Old Nazis, | Aug 02 03:44 |
| schestowitz | New Right, and the Republican Party.”" | Aug 02 03:44 |
| schestowitz | "When the Justice Department launched a crusade to capture and prosecute Nazi war criminals in 1985, UCCA snapped into action, lobbying Congress to halt the initiative. “The UCCA has also played a leading role in opposing federal investigations of suspected Nazi war criminals since those queries got underway in the late 1970’s,” Bellant wrote. “Some UCCA members have many reasons to worry – reasons which began in the 1930’s.”" | Aug 02 03:44 |
| schestowitz | [08:43] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, I found out that AT&T and Verizon removed Microsoft's apps from their Galaxy S6 phones. | Aug 02 03:45 |
| schestowitz | great | Aug 02 03:45 |
| schestowitz | MS used patent lawsuit for this | Aug 02 03:46 |
| schestowitz | !google techrights samsung patents apps microsoft | Aug 02 03:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Microsoft Hates Linux – Part II – Patent Lawsuits Against ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2015/03/21/patent-lawsuits-not-love/ | Aug 02 03:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Microsoft Reportedly Uses Patent Blackmail Against ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2015/02/14/patent-blackmail-tactic/ | Aug 02 03:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - There is No 'New Microsoft': Under Nadella, Patent ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2015/07/06/microsoft-vs-kyocera-android/ | Aug 02 03:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Microsoft Continues to Attack (and Tax) Linux Using ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2015/04/12/stabbing-linux-in-the-back/ | Aug 02 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. Sprint makes it impossible to remove them. | Aug 02 03:46 |
| schestowitz | I think all the above four are relevant to this | Aug 02 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | It's annoying as hell. OneDrive is in your notification tray wanting to back up files that you already backed up to Google. | Aug 02 03:47 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: maybe Spring plays ball for the blackmailer | Aug 02 03:47 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: so that NSA has two pools :-) | Aug 02 03:47 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft gives you 100 GB free for two years. | Aug 02 03:47 |
| schestowitz | !google dotcom mega not safe | Aug 02 03:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Kim Dotcom: 'I don't think your data is safe on Mega anymore' | http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/07/31/kim-dotcom-i-dont-think-your-data-is-safe-on-mega-anymore/ | Aug 02 03:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Interviews: Kim Dotcom Answers Your Questions - Slashdot | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/07/27/200204/interviews-kim-dotcom-answers-your-questions | Aug 02 03:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Kim Dotcom says his own Mega cloud storage service isn't safe ... | http://www.geek.com/news/kim-dotcom-says-his-own-mega-cloud-storage-service-isnt-safe-anymore-1629958/ | Aug 02 03:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Kim Dotcom Is Not Involved With Mega Anymore, Plans To Build Yet ... | http://techcrunch.com/2015/07/31/kim-dotcom-is-not-involved-with-mega-anymore-plans-to-build-yet-another-cloud-storage-service/ | Aug 02 03:47 |
| DaemonFC | Obviously the goal is to get you to pack it full of files so you have to pay up later. | Aug 02 03:47 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Aug 02 03:47 |
| schestowitz | 'cloud' BS | Aug 02 03:48 |
| schestowitz | will never fall for it, unless forced to, e.g. by employer | Aug 02 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | 15 GB on Google Drive is a lot of space because photos up to 16 MP and video up to 1080p doesn't count. They'll change the resolution if it's higher and you want them to be exempt. | Aug 02 03:48 |
| schestowitz | storage not on my device is not mine | Aug 02 03:49 |
| schestowitz | not controlled by me | Aug 02 03:49 |
| schestowitz | can be wiped on basis of pr0n, copyright, whetever... | Aug 02 03:49 |
| schestowitz | People are taken for fools | Aug 02 03:49 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. 64 GB of USB storage that plugs into your phone is only like $20, once. | Aug 02 03:49 |
| schestowitz | and some play along because they haven't the energy to fight bakc | Aug 02 03:49 |
| DaemonFC | And it never leaves your possession. | Aug 02 03:49 |
| oiaohm | Due to the policies I deal with a lot of stuff I place on cloud servers has to encrypted. | Aug 02 03:49 |
| schestowitz | with ssd on devices it's also getting hard to find the capacity to store | Aug 02 03:49 |
| schestowitz | and the apps push people to 'back up' their files | Aug 02 03:49 |
| oiaohm | Not by the provider but by local system. | Aug 02 03:49 |
| schestowitz | not to their own drives, but PRISM | Aug 02 03:50 |
| oiaohm | The thing I find annoying try getting people todo encrypted email. | Aug 02 03:50 |
| schestowitz | pgp | Aug 02 03:50 |
| oiaohm | Yep | Aug 02 03:50 |
| schestowitz | or don't talk to them | Aug 02 03:50 |
| schestowitz | or face to face | Aug 02 03:50 |
| schestowitz | after they take out the batteries from their 'phone' | Aug 02 03:50 |
| schestowitz | a friend of mine puts his phone inside his bag | Aug 02 03:51 |
| schestowitz | but he wears that fitbeat bs | Aug 02 03:51 |
| schestowitz | tracks his pulse all the time, sent to 'cloud' | Aug 02 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | I can't take the battery out of my phone. It's built-in. | Aug 02 03:51 |
| schestowitz | at least no microphone on it | Aug 02 03:51 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: hypePhone? | Aug 02 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | No, it's a Galaxy S6. | Aug 02 03:52 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: change 'phone' then | Aug 02 03:52 |
| schestowitz | wow, didn't know Samsung does this too now | Aug 02 03:52 |
| oiaohm | It getting harder to get phones with removeable batteries. | Aug 02 03:52 |
| schestowitz | Wow, I need to write about this... | Aug 02 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. Built-in battery and no SD card slot. | Aug 02 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | You can use USB OTG though. | Aug 02 03:52 |
| oiaohm | The battery type in phones can be explosive | Aug 02 03:53 |
| schestowitz | that's another issue | Aug 02 03:53 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I just leased it. | Aug 02 03:53 |
| oiaohm | So non removable causes problems to say the least when you asked people to leave them behind | Aug 02 03:53 |
| schestowitz | !google nvidia recalls tablet | Aug 02 03:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Nvidia: Home | http://tabletrecall.expertproductinquiry.com/ | Aug 02 03:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - NVIDIA Recalls Tablet Computers Due to Fire Hazard | CPSC.gov | https://www.cpsc.gov/en/Recalls/2015/NVIDIA-Recalls-Tablet-Computers/ | Aug 02 03:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - 88,000 Nvidia Shield tablets recalled due to heat risk | PCWorld | http://www.pcworld.com/article/2955182/tablets/88000-nvidia-shield-tablets-recalled-due-to-heat-risk.html | Aug 02 03:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Nvidia recalls Shield Android tablets over battery fire fears - Engadget | http://www.engadget.com/2015/07/31/nvidia-shield-tablet-recall/ | Aug 02 03:53 |
| schestowitz | (new) | Aug 02 03:53 |
| oiaohm | when in the past you could just ask for the battery. | Aug 02 03:53 |
| DaemonFC | I can't turn it in until July 2017, unless I pay all remaining lease payments on it. :P | Aug 02 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | So, I'm stuck with the S6 for the next two years. It's a decent phone though. | Aug 02 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | I just wish I could delete some of the bloatware. | Aug 02 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | Apparently, the bloatware situation on the S5 was worse. I heard that it had 42 more apps that couldn't be removed. | Aug 02 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | Apparently, Samsung was just flagging everything that anyone paid them to bundle as a "system app". | Aug 02 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | I turned off OneDrive by disabling it, and it warned me "This is a system app. If you disable it, your phone could malfunction.". | Aug 02 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | All I noticed is that the notifications wanting me to sign up for onedrive went away and my battery life improved. | Aug 02 03:56 |
| oiaohm | http://www.techtimes.com/articles/40827/20150320/samsung-galaxy-s6-battery-removable-yes-easy-to-remove-no.htm | Aug 02 03:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techtimes.com | Samsung Galaxy S6 Battery: Removable? Yes. Easy To Remove? No : PERSONAL TECH : Tech Times [ http://ur1.ca/nbwwt ] | Aug 02 03:58 | |
| oiaohm | Lot of battery removal problems start with the introduction of the near field stuff. | Aug 02 03:59 |
| schestowitz | wow | Aug 02 04:00 |
| schestowitz | you have to dismanle the thing | Aug 02 04:00 |
| schestowitz | cannot be done on the move | Aug 02 04:00 |
| schestowitz | like if you want privacy | Aug 02 04:00 |
| schestowitz | s2 made it easy | Aug 02 04:01 |
| schestowitz | flip it open | Aug 02 04:01 |
| schestowitz | push, remove | Aug 02 04:01 |
| schestowitz | my wife's... | Aug 02 04:01 |
| schestowitz | not hard to remove the battery in old Galaxies | Aug 02 04:01 |
| schestowitz | it only gets worse rather than better over time | Aug 02 04:01 |
| schestowitz | old feature phones I had made it super-easy to remove batteries | Aug 02 04:02 |
| oiaohm | Note its not just dismanle you have to heat it as well schestowitz | Aug 02 04:10 |
| oiaohm | Otherwise it not coming apart. | Aug 02 04:10 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE Announces the Beta of KDE Applications | Aug 02 04:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 15.08, Based on KDE Frameworks 5 | Aug 02 04:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/TFGpVwkv0J (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 02 04:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbx24 | Aug 02 04:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Announces the Beta of KDE Applications 15.08, Based on KDE Frameworks 5 | Tux Machines | Aug 02 04:19 | |
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| DaemonFC | I'm surprised that wireless charging works as well as it does. | Aug 02 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | It's only about 25% slower than the Adaptive Fast Charge 2.0 charger that you plug into the phone. | Aug 02 04:25 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: question is what does the power bill look like. | Aug 02 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | The charger detects whether the phone is there or not and turns itself on and off. | Aug 02 04:26 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Not that I mean percentage effectiveness. | Aug 02 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | If the phone is there and is fully charged, then the charger goes into a trickle charge mode to keep the phone at 100% until you pick it up. | Aug 02 04:27 |
| oiaohm | Australia we have increasing power prices. | Aug 02 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | 2 amp 5 volt is the wall adapter it says to use. | Aug 02 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | So, 10 watts if it's in use. | Aug 02 04:28 |
| oiaohm | And that is about the same as normal charge. So possilbe 25% more on power meter using wireless charging. | Aug 02 04:28 |
| oiaohm | Wireless charging in car where you have waste power would be ok. | Aug 02 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | Samsung's wall charger is 15 watt (1.67 amp 9 volt). | Aug 02 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | So, 15 watts, but it goes right into the phone. | Aug 02 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | Obviously, it's more efficient, but I doubt you'll notice much difference. | Aug 02 04:29 |
| oiaohm | Basically that is my problem I want to see the review of wireless vs wired. | Aug 02 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | Maybe 10 cents on your power bill for the month. | Aug 02 04:29 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: times that by 100+ staff and it starts adding up. | Aug 02 04:30 |
| oiaohm | power cost vs device replacement cost. | Aug 02 04:30 |
| oiaohm | Ie plugging devices is causes damage every time. | Aug 02 04:31 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.wirelesspowerconsortium.com/technology/why-not-a-wire-the-case-for-wireless-power.html | Aug 02 04:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wirelesspowerconsortium.com | Why Not A Wire? The case for wireless power [ http://ur1.ca/nbx5h ] | Aug 02 04:31 | |
| DaemonFC | According to this, the overall efficiency of wired charging is 50-64%, vs. wireless at about 60%. | Aug 02 04:32 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6414871 | Aug 02 04:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Cecil the lion's brother #Jericho shot dead on SAME day #Zimbabwe bans hunting http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/cecil-lions-brother-jericho-shot-6178481 | Aug 02 04:34 | |
| schestowitz | "One of the stories suggested the rumor was spread by, if I understood correctly, Zimbabwe’s equivalent of the National Inquirer, which is probably worse than your Daily Mail." | Aug 02 04:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.mirror.co.uk | Cecil the lion's brother Jericho 'shot dead' on SAME day Zimbabwe bans hunting - Mirror Online [ http://ur1.ca/nbvmj ] | Aug 02 04:34 | |
| schestowitz | Wow, worse than Daily Fail? Can't be... | Aug 02 04:35 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Ok by that they have airgapped section of the circuit that was normally there. | Aug 02 04:36 |
| schestowitz | phoronix access means access to a lot of scripts from external sites, I think some ads networks lumps them in | Aug 02 04:37 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/michaellarabel/status/627609932599201796 | Aug 02 04:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@michaellarabel: @schestowitz huh? | Aug 02 04:38 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/627505820742361088 | Aug 02 04:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: I've just opened a single article in the new #phoronix and my browser was asked to execute code from 30 different domains! @michaellarabel | Aug 02 04:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Sony Xperia Z4 Tablet Review: The Best Android | Aug 02 04:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tablet And A Real iPad Rival | Aug 02 04:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/RoRsclh8ay (www.forbes.com) | Aug 02 04:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | Sony Xperia Z4 Tablet Review: The Best Android Tablet And A Real iPad Rival - Forbes | Aug 02 04:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbx7j | Aug 02 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | iPhones can't do wireless charging, so Starbucks is selling this thing you can plug into their charging ports so you can put the thing on the mat, and the thing charges the iPhone. | Aug 02 04:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Plasma 5 (KDE) In Testing | Aug 02 04:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/wk0zciL6l1 | Aug 02 04:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (skitterman.wordpress.com) | Aug 02 04:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-skitterman.wordpress.com | Plasma 5 (KDE) In Testing | ScottK might have something to say ... | Aug 02 04:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbx7k | Aug 02 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | The dongle is like half the size of the iPhone. It really is quite funny. | Aug 02 04:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nextbit phone will “easily stand out” and be | Aug 02 04:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | priced affordibly http://t.co/BkTjEZ97VV | Aug 02 04:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 02 04:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Nextbit phone will “easily stand out” and be priced affordibly | Tux Machines | Aug 02 04:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbx7n | Aug 02 04:40 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: starbucks entices people with wifi, I find that pathetic | Aug 02 04:41 |
| schestowitz | and now charging stations | Aug 02 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | At this point, you might wonder "Why doesn't Starbucks just offer a wall outlet?". | Aug 02 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | They use PMA, which is designed to snoop on you while your phone charges. | Aug 02 04:42 |
| schestowitz | PMA? | Aug 02 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | It creates a GUID and matches it with your phone. | Aug 02 04:42 |
| schestowitz | ah, ok | Aug 02 04:42 |
| schestowitz | more "marketing" I guess | Aug 02 04:42 |
| schestowitz | I bet they also spy on wifi users and sell the data | Aug 02 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | That way, they know when you come in, where you sit, how long you stay there... | Aug 02 04:42 |
| schestowitz | didn't see their T&C and disclaimers | Aug 02 04:42 |
| schestowitz | but many coffee shops do that these days | Aug 02 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, It's not just coffee shops. | Aug 02 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | Practically everywhere has wifi now. | Aug 02 04:43 |
| schestowitz | yes, malls too | Aug 02 04:43 |
| schestowitz | but I think it's considered 'standard' for coffee shops | Aug 02 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | Restaurants, doctor's offices, hospitals, gas stations, malls... | Aug 02 04:43 |
| schestowitz | here at least | Aug 02 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | Fort Wayne has one called Fort Wayne Downtown Wifi. | Aug 02 04:43 |
| schestowitz | doctor's offices less likely to spy | Aug 02 04:44 |
| schestowitz | here at least | Aug 02 04:44 |
| DaemonFC | I tried using it during a concert, but nothing would go through. | Aug 02 04:44 |
| schestowitz | too small to operate at this scale | Aug 02 04:44 |
| schestowitz | like selling data | Aug 02 04:44 |
| DaemonFC | They had thousands of people all trying to use it at once. | Aug 02 04:44 |
| schestowitz | unless they bring in some "provider" to set up the hotspot | Aug 02 04:44 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, It's in most places now. | Aug 02 04:44 |
| MinceR | 074900 < DaemonFC> They say that their goal is to make it work like Webkit in practice. | Aug 02 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast is like the second largest ISP in America, and they turned everyone's router into an open hotspot for other Comcast customers. | Aug 02 04:45 |
| MinceR | when did they ever not lie about their goals? | Aug 02 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | So you can log on to xfinitywifi and it will remember your device and let you automatically connect next time. | Aug 02 04:45 |
| MinceR | oh, i guess when ballmer said he wants to "fucking kill google" | Aug 02 04:45 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I wonder if BT OpenZone is like that | Aug 02 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | I ran into a weird bug in Edge. I click View Source and it goes "ding ding" and doesn't open anything. | Aug 02 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | And then the browser window can't be closed. | Aug 02 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | You have to kill it with the Task Manager. | Aug 02 04:46 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: LOL | Aug 02 04:46 |
| schestowitz | I forgot about that | Aug 02 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, They can't do that with my router. I own my router. | Aug 02 04:46 |
| schestowitz | Eventually it's Google f**ing killing MSFT | Aug 02 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | There's also a hidden configuration option on Comcast's website that lets you turn yours off, but it's buried so people won't easily find it. | Aug 02 04:47 |
| schestowitz | wow | Aug 02 04:47 |
| schestowitz | if BT had done the same, I'd probably know by now | Aug 02 04:47 |
| schestowitz | So I guess it's more likely some other airbourne signal | Aug 02 04:47 |
| schestowitz | but not sure which/how | Aug 02 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. You'll know. If you have Comcast and there's two wifi networks (yours and xfinitywifi) and they have the same signal strength, then that's what's happening. | Aug 02 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I just think it's stupid and wrong to implement vendor prefixes like that. | Aug 02 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | -webkit- has turned into the new user agent. | Aug 02 04:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines gtkmm now uses C++11 http://t.co/3YJCLL9NFf | Aug 02 04:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.murrayc.com) | Aug 02 04:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbx95 | Aug 02 04:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.murrayc.com | gtkmm now uses C++11 | Murray's Blog | Aug 02 04:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Testing systemd-networkd based Fedora 22 AMI(s) | Aug 02 04:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Rz0R4ht4fh (kushaldas.in) let's | Aug 02 04:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kushaldas.in | Testing systemd-networkd based Fedora 22 AMI(s) | Aug 02 04:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | still pretend it's "init system" | Aug 02 04:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbx96 | Aug 02 04:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat Receives Average Recommendation of | Aug 02 04:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | “Buy” from Analysts (NYSE:RHT) | Aug 02 04:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/fw4LfT5Vps | Aug 02 04:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dakotafinancialnews.com | Red Hat Receives Average Recommendation of “Buy” from Analysts (NYSE:RHT) | Aug 02 04:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.dakotafinancialnews.com) | Aug 02 04:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbx97 | Aug 02 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | Web developers figure that if Webkit supports something, that's good enough, even if it's not a standard, and even if it's experimental. | Aug 02 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | So, Webkit *is* the new Internet Explorer. | Aug 02 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | IE/Edge and Firefox both are down to like 18% marketshare. | Aug 02 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | They're not the 800 pound gorillas that they were at one point. | Aug 02 04:50 |
| MinceR | well, i guess webkit did catch out somewhat in crashes | Aug 02 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | I suspect that people at Microsoft are really pissed about having to delete thousands of attempts they made over the years to subvert the web. | Aug 02 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | That's not a small amount of code. 220,000 lines, six document rendering modes, and 300+ APIs (according to them). | Aug 02 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | They paid programmers probably millions of dollars to sit there and write this crap over the years, only to turn around and give up and delete it. | Aug 02 04:52 |
| MinceR | they still paid them sparingly, probably :> | Aug 02 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | They tried to make vbscript the scripting language of the web, because it could only fully work properly on Windows. ActiveX was about running Windows programs in the browser. DirectX page effects were meant to only work on Windows *and* compete with stylesheets. | Aug 02 04:53 |
| MinceR | it's not like they're important to the company | Aug 02 04:53 |
| MinceR | they're not lawyers, marketroids or politicians | Aug 02 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | It goes on and on, and really, at the end of the day, they just wrote a really useful set of tools for malware. | Aug 02 04:53 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: had a good read over that wireless charging. Looks like it can techically match/beat the common chargers as the circuit other than construction is basically the same. Solid state DC to DC (no coil) gets up to 85% but those kind of devices are rare. | Aug 02 05:04 |
| oiaohm | vbscript and active-x was all about vendor lock in. | Aug 02 05:06 |
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| cubexyz | once the average person clues into the fact that one can run Linux/BSD on older computers just fine Microsoft is toast | Aug 02 05:18 |
| cubexyz | the whole house of cards comes down | Aug 02 05:18 |
| cubexyz | and the old HP Laserjets were a lot better than the crap disposable printers they make now | Aug 02 05:20 |
| cubexyz | once I realized that microsoft didn't write new drivers for older peripherals it was an easy choice to avoid windows | Aug 02 05:22 |
| cubexyz | Linux could do the same thing but I'm ready for that | Aug 02 05:23 |
| cubexyz | I have multiple computers from different eras, some of them in storage | Aug 02 05:23 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: Old machines build out of decent hardware. | Aug 02 05:24 |
| cubexyz | yes exactly | Aug 02 05:24 |
| cubexyz | there's really a lot of junk in computer stores these days | Aug 02 05:25 |
| cubexyz | it's kind of like an older person who knew how to fix cars | Aug 02 05:27 |
| cubexyz | they could keep that old car going almost indefinitely | Aug 02 05:27 |
| cubexyz | at least maximize it's lifespan | Aug 02 05:28 |
| oiaohm | I custom build my out of server rated parts. | Aug 02 05:29 |
| oiaohm | Does pay for itself. | Aug 02 05:29 |
| MinceR | DC to DC? how does that even work? | Aug 02 05:29 |
| MinceR | 111843 < cubexyz> the whole house of cards comes down | Aug 02 05:29 |
| MinceR | and that's when they ban and collect computers :> | Aug 02 05:30 |
| MinceR | "bekuz turrism" | Aug 02 05:30 |
| cubexyz | they can't really ban computers, people need them to do their work | Aug 02 05:30 |
| cubexyz | plus the ISPs are making good money | Aug 02 05:31 |
| MinceR | if only they cared about that | Aug 02 05:31 |
| MinceR | the ISPs would make good money with "cloud"-only terminals too | Aug 02 05:31 |
| cubexyz | no doubt the younger generation will stay on the upgrade treadmill until they learn better | Aug 02 05:31 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, well, if you're going to buy a Windows laptop, just go to the Microsoft Store. | Aug 02 05:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_converter DC to DC are very common using buck and insanely effective. I shoud not said no coil. No transforer single coil. 95% effectiveness. | Aug 02 05:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Buck converter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nbxkp ] | Aug 02 05:38 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: it is techically possilbe to run a buck down converter off 240 after a dc rectifer. | Aug 02 05:38 |
| DaemonFC | You get one from Walmart or Best Buy or somewhere, it has so much crapware on it, it's barely usable, and after you spend hours digging it all out, it all comes back if you ever use the recovery partition. :P | Aug 02 05:38 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: oh, i thought you were talking about wireless power transmission :) | Aug 02 05:39 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I was comparing wireless to wired. | Aug 02 05:39 |
| MinceR | i see | Aug 02 05:39 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: ie buck is the best possilbe wired. | Aug 02 05:39 |
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| oiaohm | Might be a danger to life | Aug 02 05:39 |
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| oiaohm | Main advantage of the transforer is isolation. | Aug 02 05:40 |
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| cubexyz | ha! | Aug 02 06:08 |
| cubexyz | patched xmmix | Aug 02 06:08 |
| cubexyz | used the old Redhat 7 patch files | Aug 02 06:08 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K57dVZ4oHtQ | Aug 02 06:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | The C90s - Shine A Light (Flight Facilities Remix) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nbxsl ] | Aug 02 06:15 | |
| DaemonFC | I've had that in my head since I played GTA V. | Aug 02 06:15 |
| gde33|2 | DaemonFC: here this will help https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APj2ArUy6v4 | Aug 02 06:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | The oompa loompa song =) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nbxu1 ] | Aug 02 06:20 | |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/new-desktop-better-than-windows-10.png | Aug 02 06:22 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/627765096673091584 | Aug 02 06:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Yes, because Suse, Red Hat or Nginx live off the air... | Aug 02 06:33 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/627767532657737728 | Aug 02 06:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz I never understand people who use the cloud exclusively. It's useful sure but combined with local backup. | Aug 02 06:34 | |
| schestowitz | depends on how one defines "cloud". Much of it is malicious. | Aug 02 06:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Citrix, Red Hat Helping Startup Companies | Aug 02 06:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Launch in Raleigh, N.C. http://t.co/7jeFeks2jo | Aug 02 06:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.thestreet.com) "Raleigh has seen a 23% | Aug 02 06:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thestreet.com | Citrix, Red Hat Helping Startup Companies Launch in Raleigh, N.C. - Video - TheStreet | Aug 02 06:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | increase in IT jobs" | Aug 02 06:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbxxo | Aug 02 06:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Codename CURE, A First Person, Co-operative | Aug 02 06:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Zombie Game Now On Linux | Aug 02 06:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/B379R4pDYe (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 02 06:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbxxq | Aug 02 06:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Codename CURE, A First Person, Co-operative Zombie Game Now On Linux | GamingOnLinux | Aug 02 06:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Razer's Android gamepad is now on Google Play | Aug 02 06:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | for $80 http://t.co/4I6igOCruX | Aug 02 06:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.engadget.com) | Aug 02 06:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com | Razer's Android gamepad is now on Google Play for $80 | Aug 02 06:37 | |
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| schestowitz | cubexyz: see logs | Aug 02 06:38 |
| schestowitz | I linked to that | Aug 02 06:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/new-desktop-better-than-windows-10.png | Aug 02 06:39 |
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| DaemonFC | https://stallman.org/archives/2015-may-aug.html#01_August_2015_%28Cab_drivers_protest_Guber%29 | Aug 02 06:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | 2015: May - August Political Notes - Richard Stallman [ http://ur1.ca/nby17 ] | Aug 02 06:54 | |
| DaemonFC | My bf needed a ride to work today, but he lives 30 miles from me, so I gave him an Uber promo code for $30 credit towards a ride. The ride to work came out to $28. | Aug 02 06:54 |
| DaemonFC | Let Uber pay for it, why not? He switches to a location that's closer to home next Monday anyway, so he won't need Uber again. | Aug 02 06:55 |
| cubexyz | hehe | Aug 02 07:11 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Thanks for the links to the articles about previous Nazism in Ukraine. This article mentions the $5billion the US gave to support the new regime, and shows some of the Nazis in their uniforms. | Aug 02 07:13 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: The US has a similar history. Wealthy US fascists provided 75% of the money for Hitler's military buildup. The motive was simple: Socialism was threatening to cut off the richest 1% from their 99% of the profits. So US capitalists financed Hitler to destroy Socialism in the USSR and Europe. | Aug 02 07:16 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/profBury/status/627800581252497408 | Aug 02 07:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@profBury: Link http://t.co/fb8rKB5csP by @schestowitz is the most popular tweet in my news feed today. | Aug 02 07:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linkis.com | WikiLeaks - Target Tokyo - Linkis.com | Aug 02 07:19 | |
| msb__ | schestowitz: The US government, totally under control by wealthy US businessmen, spent the rest of the 20th Century after WW2 attacking socialists, socialist revolutions, and socialist nations around the world, for the same reason, murdering tens of millions of people in the process. http://cosmicpenguin.com/#American_Holocaust | Aug 02 07:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone [ http://ur1.ca/g23vd ] | Aug 02 07:20 | |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Oops, forgot the link for US fascists financing Hitler: http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_Nazis | Aug 02 07:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone | Aug 02 07:22 | |
| msb__ | The US has always supported the harshest dictators it could find, as they could be relied on to suppress workers' movements in their nations, and thus keep their population available as slaves to the US corporate branches there. | Aug 02 07:25 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Zidoo's 'X1' is a $59 Android media box that | Aug 02 07:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | touts its 4K prowess http://t.co/nxPAo88opJ | Aug 02 07:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.neowin.net) | Aug 02 07:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.neowin.net | Zidoo's 'X1' is a $59 Android media box that touts its 4K prowess | Aug 02 07:27 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A 6-Raspberry Pi 2 Cluster To Run Drupal In The | Aug 02 07:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Basement Has Been Created | Aug 02 07:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/NbE83ydSUJ (linuxg.net) | Aug 02 07:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net | A 6-Raspberry Pi 2 Cluster To Run Drupal In The Basement Has Been Created | LinuxG.net | Aug 02 07:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines debian efforts wasted on uefi | Aug 02 07:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Pbqlri7166 (blog.einval.com) | Aug 02 07:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/YU2RYG3ERd (techrights.org) | Aug 02 07:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.einval.com | Steve's blog | Aug 02 07:28 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | UEFI - Techrights | Aug 02 07:28 | |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Here's another US-Nazi connection, based on testimony and hundreds of photographs from Otto Skorzeny -- "Hitler's Commando" -- who was (is?) living in the US. | Aug 02 07:32 |
| msb__ | The book is well worth the $10! | Aug 02 07:33 |
| msb__ | http://www.thebushconnection.com/ | Aug 02 07:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thebushconnection.com | The Bush Connection|Index | Aug 02 07:33 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jblck/status/627804293693853696 | Aug 02 07:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jblck: @schestowitz Related: https://t.co/AMiUfVx76g | Aug 02 07:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jblck: What sort of murderous vermin would say,"We came, we saw, he died!" while smiling and laughing? Oh, Hillary Clinton https://t.co/R4b2nzo2Ji | Aug 02 07:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jblck/status/627802290703892482 | Aug 02 07:36 |
| msb__ | The truth about Libya (before Obama destroyed it): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJURNC0e6Ek | Aug 02 07:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Libya Truth (DnB Soundtrack) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/jld5s ] | Aug 02 07:39 | |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: EFI is a hard one. | Aug 02 07:43 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Linux world has been living work broken BIOS implmentations with issues in updating before EFI appeared. | Aug 02 07:43 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: at least with EFI 2.5 we at long last get at OS netural way to tell the firmware to update. | Aug 02 07:44 |
| DaemonFC | You could already do that with the BIOS. | Aug 02 07:52 |
| DaemonFC | At least, Dell had a utility that let you update your BIOS while you were booted into Linux. | Aug 02 07:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE Announces the Beta of KDE Applications | Aug 02 07:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 15.08, Based on KDE Frameworks 5 | Aug 02 07:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/XMLV0Tn8sS (linux.softpedia.com) | Aug 02 07:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | KDE Announces the Beta of KDE Applications 15.08, Based on KDE Frameworks 5 - Softpedia | Aug 02 07:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbyf4 | Aug 02 07:54 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: Well, now every motherboard supports that. | Aug 02 07:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Zorin OS 10 Core & Ultimate have arrived | Aug 02 07:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/1MUilEtJ40 (zoringroup.com) | Aug 02 07:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/yOpC35t1Bp (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 02 07:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbyf5 | Aug 02 07:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-zoringroup.com | Zorin OS 10 Core & Ultimate have arrived | The official Zorin Blog | Aug 02 07:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Zorin OS 10 Is Out, the Best, Most Beautiful Release Yet, Based on Ubuntu 15.04 - Screenshot Tour - Softpedia | Aug 02 07:54 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: custom motherboards from all over the place would come with a dos update only program. | Aug 02 08:00 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: or worse | Aug 02 08:00 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: yes worse a Windows only update program. | Aug 02 08:00 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Dell some models did not work with generic linux update tool either. | Aug 02 08:00 |
| XRevan86 | I have a Windows PE CD-R for updating BIOS :). | Aug 02 08:03 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: Yep a horible I want to never have to use again. | Aug 02 08:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itv.com/news/channel/2015-07-31/s/ | Aug 02 08:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itv.com | Henry Cavill talks his new movie, fear of flying, and 'that' Siam Cup | Channel - ITV News [ http://ur1.ca/nbyi6 ] | Aug 02 08:05 | |
| schestowitz | gossip and crap | Aug 02 08:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines You Can Now Upload Screenshots To Imgur | Aug 02 08:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Directly From Elementary OS, Via The Imgur | Aug 02 08:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Uploader Contractor Plugin | Aug 02 08:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/c4FQUKAbZa (linuxg.net) | Aug 02 08:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net | You Can Now Upload Screenshots To Imgur Directly From Elementary OS, Via The Imgur Uploader Contractor Plugin | LinuxG.net | Aug 02 08:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Pixman Baking ARMv6, PowerPC 64 Improvements | Aug 02 08:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/sjevaDwImw (www.phoronix.com) | Aug 02 08:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbyju | Aug 02 08:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Pixman Baking ARMv6, PowerPC 64 Improvements - Phoronix | Aug 02 08:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "KDEPIM 5.0 is the port of kdepim to kf5/qt5." | Aug 02 08:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/tybOSdqEqH (www.aegiap.eu) "I just | Aug 02 08:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | started the port of rsibreak to KF5." | Aug 02 08:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.aegiap.eu | What's in my mind » KDEPIM 5.0 | Aug 02 08:14 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/LTImNtA8dE (tsdgeos.blogspot.com) | Aug 02 08:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tsdgeos.blogspot.com | TSDgeos' blog: rsibreak port to KF5 started! | Aug 02 08:14 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LibreOffice 5.0 Arrives on August 5, Here's | Aug 02 08:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | What's New http://t.co/DRaxIWFVYZ | Aug 02 08:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 02 08:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbynp | Aug 02 08:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice 5.0 Arrives on August 5, Here's What's New | Tux Machines | Aug 02 08:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Studio focuses on C++ editing | Aug 02 08:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/rL7bPmMQcY (www.infoworld.com) | Aug 02 08:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infoworld.com | Android Studio focuses on C++ editing | InfoWorld | Aug 02 08:29 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Top 5 Best New Free Android Games of July 2015 | Aug 02 08:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/MUHkVS2qHv (heavy.com) Action Games | Aug 02 08:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of July 2015 http://t.co/RX56FWzaq0 (heavy.com) | Aug 02 08:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-heavy.com | Top 5 Best New Free Android Games of July 2015 | Heavy.com | Aug 02 08:29 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-heavy.com | Top 5 Best New Android Action Games of July 2015 | Heavy.com | Aug 02 08:29 | |
| DaemonFC | https://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_et_md_pl?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdMsgID=MxE7SNAYBU5E15&cdMsgNo=36&cdPage=2&cdSort=oldest&cdThread=Tx2ZTJ9Q7SHBDB#MxE7SNAYBU5E15 | Aug 02 08:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: Senator Al Franken asks the DoJ to investigate Apple for possible illegal activity regarding their app store. [ http://ur1.ca/nbysv ] | Aug 02 08:52 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.businessinsider.com/no-more-storage-on-iphone-6-16gb-2015-2 | Aug 02 08:52 |
| DaemonFC | This woman got the 16 GB iPhone 6 thinking she'd be fine because her storage needs weren't big. I'll just quote her. | Aug 02 08:52 |
| DaemonFC | --- | Aug 02 08:52 |
| DaemonFC | "So why 16GB? I'm not a big app user, I use Spotify but my phone isn't loaded with music, and I don't download movies and TV shows. | Aug 02 08:52 |
| DaemonFC | 16GB, at the time of purchase, seemed like the perfect amount of space. I was wrong. Very wrong. Storage nearly full. 'Your phone is full, your phone is full, your phone is full.' That message will haunt me forever." | Aug 02 08:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | No More Storage On iPhone 6 16GB - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/nbyt0 ] | Aug 02 08:52 | |
| DaemonFC | [..] | Aug 02 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | "It seemed that within weeks of purchasing the 16GB iPhone 6, I was constantly making concessions in order to get everything I wanted on the phone. 'Oh, you want to take 50 photos? You can only take 37 because you have too many photos already,' my phone would tell me. I scrambled to delete Facebook more than once in the time I had the 16GB phone in order to free up space. Often it was a good method, but sometimes it wasn't enough. Why was I | Aug 02 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | paying so much for this phone if I wasn't even able to use it without having a panic attack?" | Aug 02 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | --- | Aug 02 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | So, that corroborates my claim that the first thing the 16 GB iPhone 6 will do is run out of space, even if you think you won't be storing much of anything on it. An iPhone with 16 GB of storage isn't even funny anymore. It's just crippleware that's there to make them seem like they are competitive with the Galaxy S6. Plain and simple. | Aug 02 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | Like Trevor Philips says in Grand Theft Auto V (you can't play it on a Mac, btw), "You only have yourself to blame!". | Aug 02 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | Apple sucks. | Aug 02 08:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android M Preview 3 Release Delayed as Google | Aug 02 08:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Works on “Near Final” Build | Aug 02 08:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/FIcxnzLkVe (www.droid-life.com) | Aug 02 08:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #android #linux | Aug 02 08:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.droid-life.com | Android M Preview 3 Release Delayed as Google Works on “Near Final” Build | Droid Life | Aug 02 08:59 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora 22 on Cubietruck https://t.co/qhnpBf0kD7 | Aug 02 09:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (blogs.gnome.org) | Aug 02 09:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://blogs.gnome.org/ignatenko/2015/07/31/fedora-22-on-cubietruck/ ) | Aug 02 09:00 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linaro VLANd v0.3 http://t.co/bHv8Ztwydo | Aug 02 09:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (blog.einval.com) | Aug 02 09:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.einval.com | Steve's blog | Aug 02 09:00 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/627829839760891904 | Aug 02 09:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Civilian planes shot down by Russian AAA: 0. Civilian planes shot down by Ukraine: 1. Clearly MH17 is Russia's blame. | Aug 02 09:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Zorin OS 10 Core & Ultimate have arrived | Aug 02 09:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by http://t.co/1MUilEtJ40 (zoringroup.com) | Aug 02 09:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tokvbok http://t.co/yOpC35t1Bp (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 02 09:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-zoringroup.com | Zorin OS 10 Core & Ultimate have arrived | The official Zorin Blog | Aug 02 09:23 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Zorin OS 10 Is Out, the Best, Most Beautiful Release Yet, Based on Ubuntu 15.04 - Screenshot Tour - Softpedia | Aug 02 09:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Adventure RPG 'Evoland 2' Release Date | Aug 02 09:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Announced, Linux Release Shortly After | Aug 02 09:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/BCvKWAq8WE (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 02 09:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Adventure RPG 'Evoland 2' Release Date Announced, Linux Release Shortly After | GamingOnLinux | Aug 02 09:23 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.postbulletin.com/news/local/day-in-history-preparations-in-place-for-airport-dedication/article_dfa4c520-089d-5f7f-a0f9-dd415693de58.html | Aug 02 09:35 |
| schestowitz | "One year ago: The CIA's insistence that it did not spy on its Senate overseers collapsed with the release of a stark report by the agency's internal watchdog documenting improper computer surveillance and obstructionist behavior by CIA officers. The death toll from the worst recorded Ebola outbreak in history surpassed 700 in West Africa.' | Aug 02 09:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.postbulletin.com | Day in History: Preparations in place for airport dedication - PostBulletin.com: Local [ http://ur1.ca/nbz4i ] | Aug 02 09:35 | |
| schestowitz | cracking | Aug 02 09:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Casual Clickers 'AdVenture Capitalist' And | Aug 02 09:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 'Time Clickers' Now On Steam For Linux | Aug 02 09:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/EVHRiWlcBb (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 02 09:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Casual Clickers 'AdVenture Capitalist' And 'Time Clickers' Now On Steam For Linux | GamingOnLinux | Aug 02 09:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "This month I have been paid to work 15 hours | Aug 02 09:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | on Debian LTS." https://t.co/56RswpWpSv | Aug 02 09:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (raphaelhertzog.com) | Aug 02 09:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-raphaelhertzog.com | My Free Software Activities in July 2015 | Aug 02 09:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Another German (Sirko Kemter) who defected from | Aug 02 09:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | suse to fedora http://t.co/369zfp2sG2 | Aug 02 09:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (karl-tux-stadt.de) | Aug 02 09:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-karl-tux-stadt.de | Karl-Tux-Stadt » Blog Archi » Flock Update | Aug 02 09:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Don't Be Patchman Is The First Game On Steam To | Aug 02 09:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Be Linux Only https://t.co/U08LxpF5rx | Aug 02 09:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 02 09:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Don't Be Patchman Is The First Game On Steam To Be Linux Only | GamingOnLinux | Aug 02 09:52 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/627839294770683904 | Aug 02 09:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Because "democracy". | Aug 02 09:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6414116 | Aug 02 09:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "armies of automated takedown bots to generate censorship demands without human oversight" https://boingboing.net/2015/07/27/when-it-comes-to-censorship-w.html should be illegal w/ fines | Aug 02 09:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> boingboing.net | When it comes to censorship, WordPress has your back - Boing Boing [ http://ur1.ca/nbz8s ] | Aug 02 09:54 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6417003 | Aug 02 09:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "KDEPIM 5.0 is the port of kdepim to kf5/qt5." http://www.aegiap.eu/kdeblog/2015/08/kdepim-5-0/ "I just started the port of rsibreak to KF5." http://tsdgeos.blogspot.com/2015/08/rsibreak-port-to-kf5-started.html #kde | Aug 02 09:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.aegiap.eu | What's in my mind » KDEPIM 5.0 [ http://ur1.ca/nbz8v ] | Aug 02 09:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> tsdgeos.blogspot.com | TSDgeos' blog: rsibreak port to KF5 started! [ http://ur1.ca/nbz8w ] | Aug 02 09:54 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/627840015578628096 | Aug 02 09:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Everyone loves democracy as long as they are in the majority. | Aug 02 09:56 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/627841070982909953 | Aug 02 10:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Democracy means the power of the majority. Full stop. Rule of law and separate, limited powers are not a necessary consequence. | Aug 02 10:04 | |
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| cubexyz | another example of how old ways can sometimes be better... | Aug 02 10:08 |
| cubexyz | xmms has the ability to load configuration files | Aug 02 10:09 |
| cubexyz | kmix, at least in KDE 3.5 doesn't have that | Aug 02 10:09 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: xmms is an old music player that can associate equalizer files with songs, but I think you meant something else. | Aug 02 10:15 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/PObean/status/627846007708123136 | Aug 02 10:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PObean: RT Our world is becoming a political freak show when people who attack democracy say they spread it and pro is "fo… https://t.co/RLG4l3Flua | Aug 02 10:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Our world is becoming a political freak show when people who attack democracy say they spread it and pro #censorship is "for free speech" | Aug 02 10:21 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/627852983674478592 | Aug 02 10:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Indeed. Say you do it for decency, for peace, for enlightened despotism if you will, just not free spewch. | Aug 02 10:47 | |
| cubexyz | msb__, yes | Aug 02 10:51 |
| cubexyz | I meant xmmix | Aug 02 10:51 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: It's simply large-scale psychopathic lying. A psychopath cop shouts "Stop resisting!" when he's clubbing a person who's face down on the ground. If someone can't clearly see what's happening, and trusts the police, then the lie is believed. It's a very standard psychopath technique, used by bullies everywhere. | Aug 02 10:53 |
| msb__ | Likewise, if the psychopath US govt/corporate complex wants to get rid of Gaddafi because he's a socialist, and that's bad for profits, and the govt/corps controls the commercial media, it has the media shout over and over that Gaddafi is a terrorist dictator. Bernays told them that if they do that they will be believed. | Aug 02 10:54 |
| msb__ | Then the US finds this militia (who are just gangsters who want to steal the oil and keep the profits) who claim to be a pro-democracy party, and gives them guns, and murders Gaddafi, and converts the nation which had had the highest standard of living in Africa (thanks to Gaddafi's socialism) into a seething hellhole of poverty and death. And the US claims over and over to have supported democracy because it got rid of a | Aug 02 10:54 |
| msb__ | terrorist dictator. And it is believed. | Aug 02 10:54 |
| cubexyz | I wonder what happened to Michael Slager | Aug 02 10:55 |
| msb__ | Who he? | Aug 02 10:55 |
| cubexyz | remember the guy who shot Walter Scott while he was trying to run away? | Aug 02 10:56 |
| cubexyz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Walter_Scott | Aug 02 10:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Shooting of Walter Scott - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nbzos ] | Aug 02 10:57 | |
| msb__ | Fired and charged with murder. Because he was caught on video. | Aug 02 10:59 |
| cubexyz | yes | Aug 02 10:59 |
| msb__ | That's the key. If there are lots of accurate alternative news sites (there are a dozen or two) that tell the truth about what the US is doing, and enough people read them, then the US can't get away with it. | Aug 02 11:03 |
| msb__ | RT is picking up info from some of these sites and broadcasting it on US cable TV! | Aug 02 11:05 |
| cubexyz | RT? | Aug 02 11:06 |
| msb__ | Russia Today | Aug 02 11:06 |
| msb__ | rt.com | Aug 02 11:06 |
| msb__ | They actually did a documentary on 911. Said the towers were brought down by explosives. Compared it to Operation Gladio. | Aug 02 11:07 |
| msb__ | They have Jesse Ventura on, who did such good documentaries on TV that he had to flee to Mexico. Even though he'd been governor of Minnesota. | Aug 02 11:09 |
| msb__ | Real news on American TV!!! | Aug 02 11:10 |
| msb__ | I just found out about it. | Aug 02 11:10 |
| msb__ | They did a story about Israeli atrocities in Gaza, bombing houses while people slept. They gave casualty figures in the thousands. | Aug 02 11:11 |
| msb__ | They had an economist on who recommended that people be given a Basic Income, enough to live on, because technology had eliminated so many of the jobs. | Aug 02 11:15 |
| msb__ | This is just in the three days that I've been watching it. | Aug 02 11:16 |
| msb__ | Maybe there's hope. Maybe our species isn't going to destroy itself. | Aug 02 11:16 |
| msb__ | It's gonna be close. There's a lot of methane hydrate (clathrate) in the polar oceans, and it's starting to melt and the methane is bubbling up. It's 100 times as powerful as CO2 as a greenhouse gas. | Aug 02 11:21 |
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| msb__ | It's melting because the temperature is rising, and vice versa. Regenerative. There could be a huge temperature jump. | Aug 02 11:22 |
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| cubexyz | there's some talk of that happening during the Permian extinction | Aug 02 11:24 |
| msb__ | There's too much profit in burning coal and oil for the govt to tell corporations to stop it. So the govt is secretly spraying nano-particles of aluminum into the atmosphere to reflect the sunlight, but it's poisoning everything. | Aug 02 11:25 |
| msb__ | http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/ | Aug 02 11:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geoengineeringwatch.org | Geoengineering Watch | Exposing the climate engineering/geoengineering cover-up | Aug 02 11:25 | |
| cubexyz | according to the EPA the atmospheric methane concentrations remained between 400-800 ppb between 600,000 BC to 1900 AD | Aug 02 11:27 |
| cubexyz | since 1900 they have risen to 1600-1800 ppb | Aug 02 11:27 |
| msb__ | It can be seen bubbling up in some places in the oceans. | Aug 02 11:28 |
| msb__ | That's a huge increase! | Aug 02 11:29 |
| cubexyz | haha, all the windows peeps are checking out my new desktop | Aug 02 11:30 |
| cubexyz | humourous | Aug 02 11:31 |
| cubexyz | msb__, there's a SciFi novel about the clathrate gun hypothesis | Aug 02 11:31 |
| cubexyz | we'll have to adapt to warmer temperatures | Aug 02 11:34 |
| msb__ | I just remembered a great TV series or movie about a building that people would go into, but when they came out they'd be in a parallel time-line. I think some kind of machine did it. And in one of the lines some guys had an A-bomb. | Aug 02 11:34 |
| msb__ | Some of us would have to adapt to breathing water. | Aug 02 11:34 |
| cubexyz | there was a movie from 2003 called Webs | Aug 02 11:37 |
| msb__ | Interesting! But there was no spider in the one I saw. | Aug 02 11:39 |
| cubexyz | I remember seeing one movie from the 1970s with a teleporting robot | Aug 02 11:40 |
| cubexyz | never could find it again | Aug 02 11:40 |
| cubexyz | you might remember Tim O'Connor did a few SciFi shows | Aug 02 11:42 |
| msb__ | Don't know him. IMDB has 3 of them. | Aug 02 11:48 |
| cubexyz | Buck Rogers? | Aug 02 11:49 |
| cubexyz | The Man with the Power (1977) | Aug 02 11:49 |
| cubexyz | the one from 1977 is quite difficult to find | Aug 02 11:49 |
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| msb__ | The-Power-1968-SuzannePleshette,MiklosRozsa is good | Aug 02 11:52 |
| msb__ | Michael Rennie is in it, I think | Aug 02 11:52 |
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| msb__ | Miklos Rozsa's music is great! | Aug 02 11:55 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/opendna/status/627870996633096192 | Aug 02 12:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@opendna: @schestowitz Which country are you referring to? | Aug 02 12:00 | |
| schestowitz | So many | Aug 02 12:00 |
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| gde33|2 | msb__: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3479316/ | Aug 02 12:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | Parallels (2015) - IMDb | Aug 02 12:45 | |
| msb__ | gde33|2: Thanks! That's it!!! | Aug 02 12:53 |
| msb__ | gde33|2: Sez here it is being made into a series. I thought it seemed like a pilot. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3479316/board/thread/246740492 | Aug 02 12:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | They ARE developing this into a series! - IMDb [ http://ur1.ca/nc0nw ] | Aug 02 12:58 | |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Aug 02 13:05 |
| DaemonFC | I already told you that anyone who would buy an iPhone deserves to be robbed blind by AT&T as well. | Aug 02 13:05 |
| DaemonFC | I never lose reception with Sprint, even when I'm bicycling through corn country. I'm listening to Spotify the entire way. | Aug 02 13:05 |
| DaemonFC | Only a fool would pay twice as much to AT&T, knowing that they'll lose signal all the time, and then have to lug around thousands of MP3 files, which brings me to my next point. Most Mac users pirate their music files too. At the height of the iPod's sales, there was only enough music sold through the iTunes store to average out to one album per iPod sold, and since nobody would pay $250 for an iPod so that they could listen to Bono wailing | Aug 02 13:05 |
| DaemonFC | "I can feeeeeeeeel!!!! Feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel!" like someone is sending a cat through a garbage disposal, it's obvious where most of their music came from. :) | Aug 02 13:05 |
| schestowitz | >> I saw this, I wrote about it this morning, and given who writes and promotes this, it's just Microsoft marketing disguised as "history". | Aug 02 13:14 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 02 13:14 |
| schestowitz | > Where did you write about it, can i have a link? | Aug 02 13:14 |
| schestowitz | > - break - | Aug 02 13:14 |
| schestowitz | It would be hard for me to find it now. It was days ago in Twitter and then in one of the Vista 10 articles in techrights. | Aug 02 13:14 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 02 13:14 |
| schestowitz | > See this regarding the NoMoreClipBoard hack .. absolutely no mention of Microsoft Windows .. No doubt the 'health vault' was stored in the Microsoft cloud ... | Aug 02 13:14 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 02 13:14 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 02 13:14 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.in.gov/activecalendar/EventList.aspx?view=EventDetails&eventidn=222333&information_id=217385 | Aug 02 13:14 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 02 13:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.in.gov | [ATG] AG Zoeller urges credit freeze in wake of data breach affecting 1.5 million Hoosiers - 7/30/2015 - IN.GOV [ http://ur1.ca/nc0th ] | Aug 02 13:14 | |
| schestowitz | > http://www.mieweb.com/news/posts/273 | Aug 02 13:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mieweb.com | MIE announces support for Microsoft HealthVault: Medical Informatics Engineering | Aug 02 13:14 | |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 02 13:14 |
| schestowitz | > https://securityledger.com/2015/07/doctors-still-in-the-dark-after-electronics-records-hack-exposes-data-on-4-million/ | Aug 02 13:14 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 02 13:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-securityledger.com | Doctors Still In the Dark After Electronics Records Hack Exposes Data on 4 Million | The Security Ledger [ http://ur1.ca/nc0ti ] | Aug 02 13:14 | |
| schestowitz | > https://www.nomoreclipboard.com/providers/about/partners | Aug 02 13:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nomoreclipboard.com | NoMoreClipboard > Providers > About [ http://ur1.ca/nc0tj ] | Aug 02 13:14 | |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 02 13:14 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's 'vault' is mentioned in that last one. No doubt a vault with back door access... for 'national security' of course... | Aug 02 13:14 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: indiana | Aug 02 13:14 |
| schestowitz | MS windows | Aug 02 13:14 |
| schestowitz | and 'cloud' | Aug 02 13:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines OS showdown: Windows 10 vs Linux | Aug 02 13:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/V8xsg7yIUm (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 02 13:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OS showdown: Windows 10 vs Linux | Tux Machines | Aug 02 13:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines DiRT Showdown Confirmed For Linux By Virtual | Aug 02 13:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Programming, Pre-orders Open Up | Aug 02 13:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/u6KtxZtbn5 (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 02 13:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | DiRT Showdown Confirmed For Linux By Virtual Programming, Pre-orders Open Up | GamingOnLinux | Aug 02 13:18 | |
| cubexyz | Nadella is trying to sucker folks back to windows | Aug 02 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Yeah, I know. | Aug 02 13:19 |
| cubexyz | e.g. android users | Aug 02 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | It's not like a credit freeze helps. | Aug 02 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | How many times can they leak your Social Security Number? :P | Aug 02 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | They'll offer two years of free credit monitoring and ID protection if they send you a letter saying you were affected. | Aug 02 13:26 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Steve Litt (Debian): "He who forgets | Aug 02 14:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | history...I just looked back on the Halloween | Aug 02 14:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Documents" https://t.co/uOzSjEEToy | Aug 02 14:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (lists.dyne.org) | Aug 02 14:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.dyne.org | [DNG] He who forgets history... | Aug 02 14:02 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat support evolves with new Access | Aug 02 14:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Insights services http://t.co/y7Ba7L2LlZ | Aug 02 14:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-searchdatacenter.techtarget.com | Red Hat support evolves with new Access Insights services | Aug 02 14:02 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Shallow Space Looks Like The Spaceship RTS Game | Aug 02 14:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Is Needing, Some Thoughts | Aug 02 14:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/xJKqQXRMsn (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 02 14:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Shallow Space Looks Like The Spaceship RTS Game Linux Is Needing, Some Thoughts | GamingOnLinux | Aug 02 14:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nextbit phone will “easily stand out” and be | Aug 02 14:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | priced affordibly http://t.co/MLk3YmhWS9 | Aug 02 14:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.androidauthority.com) | Aug 02 14:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com | Sony closing its online store this August 28th | Aug 02 14:21 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Leftovers http://t.co/TkSS2oEG8C | Aug 02 14:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Aug 02 14:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Debian http://t.co/fncLYE8YOl | Aug 02 14:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Debian | Tux Machines | Aug 02 14:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat and Fedora http://t.co/tFGktUlqKN | Aug 02 14:25 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat and Fedora | Tux Machines | Aug 02 14:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE and Akademy http://t.co/pWP13pEZHd | Aug 02 14:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE and Akademy | Tux Machines | Aug 02 14:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/zhWPbnNaTW | Aug 02 14:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Aug 02 14:26 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 2/8/2015: KDE Applications 15.08 Beta, | Aug 02 15:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Zorin OS 10 http://t.co/mPa25tjlLN | Aug 02 15:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 2/8/2015: KDE Applications 15.08 Beta, Zorin OS 10 | Techrights | Aug 02 15:14 | |
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| colea | FYI just in case, maybe late but anyways; http://www.techradar.com/us/news/software/applications/windows-mail-services-hit-by-widespread-outages-1290532 | Aug 02 15:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techradar.com | Windows mail services hit by widespread outages | TechRadar [ http://ur1.ca/nc1vk ] | Aug 02 15:30 | |
| colea | thx | Aug 02 15:31 |
| colea | I"m so sorry didnt see the date | Aug 02 15:38 |
| colea | was hung up on troll replies to Linux Formax article on OS Showdown: windows 10 vs Linux | Aug 02 15:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/THKCjryMIh | Aug 02 16:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Aug 02 16:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/EDd8nRtfkL | Aug 02 16:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Aug 02 16:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/pfP85dQkEm | Aug 02 16:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Aug 02 16:23 | |
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| schestowitz | colea: hi | Aug 02 16:46 |
| schestowitz | thanks for the link | Aug 02 16:46 |
| schestowitz | I just looked at it | Aug 02 16:46 |
| schestowitz | like IDG, esp. PCWorld, the data isn't stated | Aug 02 16:46 |
| schestowitz | There were some issues like that a while back | Aug 02 16:46 |
| schestowitz | e.g. | Aug 02 16:46 |
| schestowitz | !google uk parliament microsoft email | Aug 02 16:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Microsoft in the dark after Parliamentary email disrupted for three days | http://www.computerweekly.com/news/4500248972/Microsoft-in-the-dark-after-Parliamentary-email-disrupted-for-three-days | Aug 02 16:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - The only way is Office: UK Parliament to migrate to Microsoft cloud ... | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/12/03/parliament_heads_for_ms/ | Aug 02 16:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - EU Parliament blocks Microsoft Outlook apps ... - SC Magazine UK | http://www.scmagazineuk.com/eu-parliament-blocks-microsoft-outlook-apps-over-privacy-fears/article/397332/ | Aug 02 16:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Members of the European Parliament are banned from using ... | http://www.businessinsider.com/outlook-banned-members-european-parliament-security-fears-2015-2 | Aug 02 16:46 |
| colea | It's an old one. I'm sorry for not taking a closer look. But on another not it linked to 14 mil. users upgrading to win10 w/the usual recipe of success. | Aug 02 16:49 |
| colea | and the the trolls bashing on the commenter stating the 10 mil failure. | Aug 02 16:50 |
| colea | "not"=note | Aug 02 16:52 |
| colea | This is the crap they're trying to sell... | Aug 02 17:01 |
| colea | http://www.techradar.com/us/news/software/operating-systems/14m-people-have-taken-the-windows-10-plunge-says-microsoft-1300774 | Aug 02 17:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techradar.com | 14m people have taken the Windows 10 plunge, says Microsoft | TechRadar [ http://ur1.ca/nc2qu ] | Aug 02 17:01 | |
| colea | Don't know where they're getting those numbers from. | Aug 02 17:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/UBlHRHcoLA | Aug 02 17:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 02 17:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Aug 02 17:11 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE Projects Donates Money to Debian, | Aug 02 17:11 |
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| schestowitz | [22:02] <colea> Don't know where they're getting those numbers from. | Aug 02 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has a long history of lying about these numbers | Aug 02 17:31 |
| schestowitz | though it can take a while for people to see the numbers not making sense | Aug 02 17:31 |
| schestowitz | like web share stats | Aug 02 17:31 |
| schestowitz | the def of what they count is BS | Aug 02 17:31 |
| schestowitz | so they bias the number by counting something like "licences" | Aug 02 17:31 |
| schestowitz | meaning PCs in warehouses | Aug 02 17:31 |
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| schestowitz | with vista 10 on them | Aug 02 17:32 |
| schestowitz | and licences issues to businesses in bulk, e.g. "you may now install this on up to 1000 PCs" (which Microsoft calls 1000 'sales') | Aug 02 17:32 |
| schestowitz | the count is different in this case because for existing users there is no associated cost, but they can still add this figure to one pertaining to machines (not sold) with vista 10 "allowed" on them | Aug 02 17:33 |
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| colea | Thanks for the clarification; Didn't know those counted. | Aug 02 17:46 |
| colea | Hope link I posted didn't go to techrights. If it did, I will post no more links. | Aug 02 17:48 |
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| MinceR | msb__: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford#The_Dearborn_Independent_and_anti-Semitism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust | Aug 02 18:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Henry Ford - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nc39s ] | Aug 02 18:07 | |
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| msb__ | MinceR: did you see this stuff? http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_Nazis | Aug 02 18:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone | Aug 02 18:13 | |
| MinceR | not yet | Aug 02 18:17 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Regarding Uber.... I tried to sign up to be a driver just because I have a car and I don't use it very much. It's an older car, but it's been very reliable. It's not a clunker at all. | Aug 02 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | They told me it had to be a 2005 or newer. | Aug 02 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | I pretty much agree with South Park about these apps though. Taxi companies hate it because it's taking away their business, but that's not reason enough to shut down the apps. | Aug 02 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | That's like saying that there should have been a law forcing people to buy ice after the refrigerator replaced the icebox. Or saying that there should be a law to protect the RIAA because people can download free MP3s somewhere else. | Aug 02 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | When people say there ought to be a law, there frequently should be no such thing. | Aug 02 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | We have well over 40,000 defined criminal acts here in the United States at the federal level alone, an it hasn't exactly made us a better society. | Aug 02 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | If a person is happy to work for what Uber pays them, and the customer saves money vs. calling a cab, then why does the government need to get in the middle of this? | Aug 02 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | If anything, you'd think that Richard Stallman would be glad that the drivers don't have to rely on tips (he's made his opinion clear that he hates tipping and what people are paid should be settled between them and their employer). | Aug 02 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | I do think that maybe there should be some regulations on Uber to make it more like a form of employment. | Aug 02 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | It's good that they send tax reporting forms to the IRS, so that people can't do this under the table and not pay their share of taxes. | Aug 02 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2014/07/18/uber_drivers_in_dallas_and_new_york_city_make_much_less_than_the_company.html | Aug 02 19:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.slate.com | Uber drivers in Dallas and New York City make much less than the company claims. [ http://ur1.ca/nc3yx ] | Aug 02 19:33 | |
| DaemonFC | Stallman calls it "Guber" because he said that they pay peanuts. (Goober is a word meaning "peanut", and the name of a brand of chocolate covered peanuts) | Aug 02 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think that $27 an hour is anything to complain about. | Aug 02 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | “You can make $4,000 clean a month,” he said. “I mean, you make more than $5,000 but then you have to pay 20 percent to Uber, fees for your car, and gas.” | Aug 02 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | One of the drivers said that, and that he's very happy with the arrangement. | Aug 02 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | So, naturally, the government would need to ruin it. | Aug 02 19:36 |
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| DaemonFC | I was talking about Apple on Amazon again. | Aug 02 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | "I just wish that I could find one of their users that admits that Apple software is always version 0.9, followed by version 0.9, followed by version 0.9. " | Aug 02 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.geek.com/android/microsoft-continues-android-push-with-arrow-launcher-1629514/ | Aug 02 20:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geek.com | Microsoft continues Android push with Arrow Launcher | Android | Geek.com [ http://ur1.ca/nc4at ] | Aug 02 20:11 | |
| DaemonFC | Oh perfect. Microsoft "leveraged" deals to get MS Office on Android phones as a "system app". O frabjous day! | Aug 02 20:12 |
| MinceR | even on android, m$ gets to foist their broken crap on users | Aug 02 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. Can't they just go screw up their own operating system> | Aug 02 20:37 |
| MinceR | they already did | Aug 02 20:37 |
| MinceR | i guess they're like redcrap -- screwing up just their own stuff just isn't enough | Aug 02 20:37 |
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| oiaohm | The big problem I have is most people complain that Systemd is not Unix enough. Ok what is a core point of Unix. ***Everything is a File*** | Aug 02 20:55 |
| oiaohm | PID number is no a file. | Aug 02 20:55 |
| oiaohm | Process is linked to a cgroup by a filehandle. The existence of a cgroup can be a file-handle. | Aug 02 20:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Korora 22 (Selina) available | Aug 02 20:57 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Korora 22 (Selina) available | Tux Machines | Aug 02 20:57 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch and Ubuntu Desktop to Have Similar | Aug 02 20:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Boot Animations Soon http://t.co/ssITyOjgpL | Aug 02 20:57 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch and Ubuntu Desktop to Have Similar Boot Animations Soon | Tux Machines | Aug 02 20:57 | |
| oiaohm | The reality is systemd way of tracking processors more Unix than sysvinit. | Aug 02 20:57 |
| oiaohm | Also BSD tty tracking of processors is also a filehandle based solution. | Aug 02 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Aug 02 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | Well, that's Apple for you. His monkeys are still there and designing bad hardware too. | Aug 02 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | That decision to only ship the iPhone 6 with a gig of RAM is really going to bite people hard when iOS 9 is out, but you have to look at it from Apple's perspective. | Aug 02 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | By then, there will be another iPhone, and you won't be important anymore because you've owned your current phone for a whole year. Get back in there and give them more of your money! | Aug 02 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | The iPhone hardware isn't designed with anything past the iOS release that it shipped with in mind. Users find this out when they go to upgrade and it slows their phone down by 30% or more. | Aug 02 21:01 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: what is the site you keep on reference. | Aug 02 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | ? | Aug 02 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | For what? | Aug 02 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | I mostly comment on Amazon Forums. | Aug 02 21:03 |
| oiaohm | I was thinking J. R. Bob Dobbs could be a site. | Aug 02 21:04 |
| oiaohm | So that is a person on Amazon forums | Aug 02 21:04 |
| oiaohm | Remember android devices with too little ram use zswap DaemonFC | Aug 02 21:05 |
| oiaohm | Does iOS have compressed swap yet. | Aug 02 21:05 |
| oiaohm | To be correct zswap and zram | Aug 02 21:14 |
| oiaohm | Damage performance slightly but pack more data into ram. | Aug 02 21:14 |
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| DaemonFC | It's me on that forum. | Aug 02 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | zram doesn't seem to be helping my Chromebook anymore. | Aug 02 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | I'm getting a lot of "He's dead, Jim!" tabs, which is what happens when it runs out of memory. | Aug 02 22:37 |
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| DaemonFC | Chrome uses an obscene amount of RAM. | Aug 02 22:37 |
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| colea | Is techrights.org down? Getting 403-Forbidden while reading vista-10-anticompetitive | Aug 02 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/feedback-diagnostics-privacy-faq | Aug 03 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | Basic information is data that is vital to the operation of Windows. This data helps keep Windows and apps running properly by letting Microsoft know the capabilities of your device, what is installed, and whether Windows is operating correctly. This option also turns on basic error reporting back to Microsoft. If you select this option, we’ll be able to provide updates to Windows (through Windows Update, including malicious softwar | Aug 03 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | e protection by the Malicious Software Removal Tool), but some apps and features may not work correctly or at all. | Aug 03 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | Enhanced data includes all Basic data plus data about how you use Windows, such as how frequently or how long you use certain features or apps and which apps you use most often. This option also lets us collect enhanced diagnostic information, such as the memory state of your device when a system or app crash occurs, as well as measure reliability of devices, the operating system, and apps. If you select this option, we’ll be able t | Aug 03 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | o provide you with an enhanced and personalized Windows experience. | Aug 03 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | Full data includes all Basic and Enhanced data, and also turns on advanced diagnostic features that collect additional data from your device, such as system files or memory snapshots, which may unintentionally include parts of a document you were working on when a problem occurred. This information helps us further troubleshoot and fix problems. If an error report contains personal data, we won’t use that information to identify | Aug 03 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | , contact, or target advertising to you. This is the recommended option for the best Windows experience and the most effective troubleshooting. | Aug 03 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | There is no "off". Heh | Aug 03 00:09 |
| msb__ | YOU WILL LOVE BIG BROTHER! | Aug 03 00:10 |
| msb__ | ...Ministry of Truth | Aug 03 00:11 |
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| schestowitz | colea: try again | Aug 03 00:39 |
| schestowitz | there was a SELinux misconfiguration are work and reboot of the server | Aug 03 00:39 |
| schestowitz | s/are/after/ | Aug 03 00:42 |
| colea | It works now. Was also getting "Rage Unresponsive" with Tuxmachines but it's working now. (from Rochester, NY) | Aug 03 00:48 |
| colea | Thanks | Aug 03 00:50 |
| colea | Rage Unresponsive=Page Unresponsive | Aug 03 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think these reviewers of Microsoft Edge have actually used it. | Aug 03 01:00 |
| DaemonFC | "It's speedy!" | Aug 03 01:00 |
| DaemonFC | It's choking on ads and videos and garbage and crap and freezing up. You've got pop-ups flying everywhere. | Aug 03 01:00 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't have to use it for five minutes before that happened. | Aug 03 01:01 |
| schestowitz | colea: it was rebooted also, disks moving around | Aug 03 01:10 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: which reviewers? | Aug 03 01:10 |
| schestowitz | MS boosters? | Aug 03 01:10 |
| schestowitz | a lot of Vista 10 'reviews' were prepared in advance by Microsoft buddies | Aug 03 01:10 |
| schestowitz | now it's down for actual users to write real reviews | Aug 03 01:11 |
| schestowitz | after Microsoft googlebombed it | Aug 03 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | Hmmm. Cortana went through my email, found an order from Amazon, and asked if I wanted to be told when it was delivered. | Aug 03 01:20 |
| schestowitz | so I guess it informed MS and NSA too | Aug 03 01:27 |
| schestowitz | That's just gross invasion | Aug 03 01:27 |
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| msb__ | FireChat -- mesh networking for phones! This was just now on RT. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FireChat | Aug 03 01:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | FireChat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Aug 03 01:32 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Antivirus Live CD 13.1-0.98.7 Uses ClamAV | Aug 03 01:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Antivirus Live CD 13.1-0.98.7 Uses ClamAV 0.98.7 to Protect Your PC Against Viruses | Tux Machines | Aug 03 01:47 | |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTBUAGLT1Ns | Aug 03 02:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | How to Get Rid of Air Bubble on Lifeproof Screen - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nc77a ] | Aug 03 02:59 | |
| DaemonFC | Mason Nasty 6 months ago | Aug 03 02:59 |
| DaemonFC | This made it huge you asshole | Aug 03 02:59 |
| DaemonFC | LMAO!!!! | Aug 03 02:59 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, You'll be amused by this. | Aug 03 02:59 |
| DaemonFC | The iPhone users who put them in these cases leave them in their pockets while they go swimming or whatever, and then the water gets through the case and destroys the phone. | Aug 03 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | Also, they drop them and the screen breaks anyway, even though it was in an $80 case. | Aug 03 03:00 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRV6PXB6QLk | Aug 03 04:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Microsoft laid me off after 15 years of service. Life after Microsoft? - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nc7nc ] | Aug 03 04:02 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/yukia77suzune/status/628087755013132288 | Aug 03 04:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@yukia77suzune: @warpdx @Luna_Noctune windows Vista10 | Aug 03 04:13 | |
| schestowitz | thw word is spresding | Aug 03 04:13 |
| schestowitz | vista10 | Aug 03 04:13 |
| DaemonFC | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/07/hear-how-steve-ballmer-bailed-out-xbox-after-red-ring-of-death/ | Aug 03 04:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Hear how Steve Ballmer bailed out Xbox after Red Ring of Death | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/n0im8 ] | Aug 03 04:27 | |
| DaemonFC | "The Red Ring of Death threatened to destroy the Xbox 360 and the entire Xbox brand." | Aug 03 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | It did for me. I got rid of it after the eighth refurb. I didn't see the point in spending $60 of my hard earned money per game only to have the console at Microsoft getting swapped out sooner than I could make it through a whole game. | Aug 03 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | I think that the only game I ended up playing through was Oblivion because I went out and bought a third party accessory that attached to the back of the console and kept it from overheating as badly. | Aug 03 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | It was a Nyko Intercooler 360. They didn't do a very good job with the pass-through connector to the power supply either. There was more than one person who had it catch fire. | Aug 03 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft's official statement was that any unlicensed accessory that damaged your console made the warranty void. | Aug 03 04:31 |
| cubexyz | everyboby knows.... | Aug 03 04:31 |
| cubexyz | Microsoft blows :) | Aug 03 04:32 |
| cubexyz | everybody even | Aug 03 04:32 |
| DaemonFC | I liked the original Xbox a lot, really. | Aug 03 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | I did not like the 360 at all. | Aug 03 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | Well, the original console anyway. The redesign solved those problems. | Aug 03 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | cubexyz, Well, all of their products only get sorted out near the end of their life span. | Aug 03 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | Sony designed their PS 4 controller to fail about every year. | Aug 03 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | It has a built-in battery so you have to throw it in the trash when that battery dies and buy a new controller. | Aug 03 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | I guess they decided that all the expensive games and a $500 console wheren't making them enough money. | Aug 03 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Microsoft isn't what it once was. | Aug 03 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think they'll go out of business soon, but they're not as influential as they used to be. | Aug 03 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.howtogeek.com/219651/windows-10-allows-you-to-sideload-universal-apps-just-like-android-does/ | Aug 03 04:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.howtogeek.com | Windows 10 Allows You To Sideload Universal Apps, Just Like Android Does [ http://ur1.ca/nc7x7 ] | Aug 03 04:42 | |
| DaemonFC | In practice, I think Windows Phone 10 and Android will effectively give the user about the same amount of freedom. | Aug 03 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | Stallman noted that while the proprietary bits of Android aren't technically part of AOSP, there doesn't exist a distribution without those components because it wouldn't really do much of anything without them. | Aug 03 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | I guess it remains to be seen how this whole Universal Windows App thing plays out. | Aug 03 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | Users mostly ignored Windows store apps in Windows 8 because they wre unusable on the desktop and you could only use them full screen and they didn't work well with a mouse and keyboard. | Aug 03 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | Hmmm. Google added OpenDocument Format to Google Docs. | Aug 03 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7T0AeF9W-8 | Aug 03 05:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Hitler Is Upset His iPhone 6 Is Bent - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nc84v ] | Aug 03 05:13 | |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.theverge.com/2014/11/6/7163789/microsoft-office-free-for-ipad-iphone-android | Aug 03 05:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Microsoft's next surprise is free Office for iPad, iPhone, and Android | The Verge [ http://ur1.ca/nc89b ] | Aug 03 05:29 | |
| DaemonFC | Should be illegal. | Aug 03 05:29 |
| DaemonFC | Dumping "free" MS Office but only on Android, to try to keep people from figuring out that they have options. | Aug 03 05:30 |
| DaemonFC | Subsidizing it with the money from the PC version. | Aug 03 05:30 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: there is another catch. | Aug 03 05:31 |
| oiaohm | MS Office for Android is only for 10inch or smaller Android devices. | Aug 03 05:31 |
| oiaohm | For free | Aug 03 05:31 |
| oiaohm | Yes 10.1 inch is not acceptable. | Aug 03 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, that makes sense. | Aug 03 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | If it was free on the larger tablets, people would just dock a keyboard and use it that way. | Aug 03 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | You could hook up your phone to a TV or monitor though | Aug 03 05:33 |
| oiaohm | I have a strange one with KDE Plasma 5 Nvidia VDPAU don't load. | Aug 03 05:33 |
| oiaohm | Yet every other window manager I have tried so far it works perfectly. | Aug 03 05:33 |
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| cubexyz | oiaohm, starting to get serious about figuring out the r300 video rom | Aug 03 05:48 |
| cubexyz | a video bios source code listing would be interesting to see | Aug 03 05:52 |
| oiaohm | I think that video card is almost romless and depends on uploading firmware | Aug 03 05:53 |
| cubexyz | where does the firmware come from? | Aug 03 05:53 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: from memory its in the Linux firmware directory. | Aug 03 05:54 |
| oiaohm | and in the windows driver. | Aug 03 05:54 |
| oiaohm | Both AMD/ATI provided. | Aug 03 05:54 |
| cubexyz | I'm running Linux though | Aug 03 05:54 |
| oiaohm | https://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-linux-nonfree | Aug 03 05:58 |
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| oiaohm | Yep is a microcode cubexyz | Aug 03 05:58 |
| oiaohm | meaning the gpu is a brick without it. | Aug 03 05:58 |
| cubexyz | you're saying the video bios isn't on the card so where does the firmware come from? :) | Aug 03 05:59 |
| cubexyz | I managed to grab it from /sys/devices | Aug 03 05:59 |
| oiaohm | that basic firmware is 2d only stuff. | Aug 03 06:00 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: so without the extra microcode the card basically suxs. | Aug 03 06:01 |
| cubexyz | I have 3d working | Aug 03 06:01 |
| oiaohm | Linux auto loads the firmwares cubexyz | Aug 03 06:01 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: ls -l /lib/firmware/radeon/R300_cp.bin that is the microcode. | Aug 03 06:03 |
| cubexyz | file not found | Aug 03 06:03 |
| oiaohm | Hmm | Aug 03 06:04 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: system debian? | Aug 03 06:04 |
| cubexyz | vector linux, based on slackware | Aug 03 06:04 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: "R300_cp.bin" check for that filename where ever slackware has it firmwares. | Aug 03 06:05 |
| oiaohm | Its only 2kb insize. | Aug 03 06:05 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: find /lib/firmware -iname "R300_cp.bin" | Aug 03 06:06 |
| oiaohm | Comes to mind. | Aug 03 06:07 |
| cubexyz | that file isn't anywhere | Aug 03 06:07 |
| oiaohm | Ok how big is the file you extracted from the card. | Aug 03 06:07 |
| oiaohm | I cannot remember where ATI cards start being Microcode less. | Aug 03 06:07 |
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| cubexyz | I think it was 128K | Aug 03 06:08 |
| oiaohm | Ie not having the microcode in firmware. | Aug 03 06:08 |
| oiaohm | I would guess 2kb of that is the gpu microcode. | Aug 03 06:08 |
| oiaohm | No GPU microcode no 3d acceleration. | Aug 03 06:08 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6420321 | Aug 03 06:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Police in #Norway Haven’t Killed Anyone in Nearly 10 Years http://www.newsweek.com/police-norway-havent-killed-anyone-nearly-10-years-359074 | Aug 03 06:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.newsweek.com | [ http://ur1.ca/nc8l2 ] | Aug 03 06:12 | |
| schestowitz | "they’ll just have to keep on practising" | Aug 03 06:12 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Lava goes the Android One way with Pixel V1 | Aug 03 06:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Lava goes the Android One way with Pixel V1 | Tux Machines | Aug 03 06:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Antivirus Live CD 13.1-0.98.7 Uses ClamAV | Aug 03 06:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Antivirus Live CD 13.1-0.98.7 Uses ClamAV 0.98.7 to Protect Your PC Against Viruses - Softpedia | Aug 03 06:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch and Ubuntu Desktop to Have Similar | Aug 03 06:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Boot Animations Soon http://t.co/AWNVopjzwK | Aug 03 06:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch and Ubuntu Desktop to Have Similar Boot Animations Soon - Softpedia | Aug 03 06:27 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Lava goes the Android One way with Pixel V1 | Aug 03 06:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dnaindia.com | Lava goes the Android One way with Pixel V1 | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis | Aug 03 06:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Headliner: Chinese Handsets Need Better | Aug 03 06:31 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Massive WebUI Improvements, More | Aug 03 06:31 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Simplicity Linux 15.7 Officially Released, | Aug 03 06:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Based on LXPup and Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS | Aug 03 06:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Simplicity Linux 15.7 Officially Released, Based on LXPup and Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS - Softpedia | Aug 03 06:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linus Torvalds warns he's in no mood to be | Aug 03 06:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | polite as Linux 4.2 drags | Aug 03 06:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Linus Torvalds warns he's in no mood to be polite as Linux 4.2 drags • The Register | Aug 03 06:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Arch Linux-Based BlackArch Penetration Testing | Aug 03 06:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Distro Now Using Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS | Aug 03 06:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Arch Linux-Based BlackArch Penetration Testing Distro Now Using Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS - Softpedia | Aug 03 06:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Debian-Based Clonezilla Live 2.4.2-29 Is Out | Aug 03 06:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | with Partclone 0.2.81 and Lots of Bugfixes | Aug 03 06:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Debian-Based Clonezilla Live 2.4.2-29 Is Out with Partclone 0.2.81 and Lots of Bugfixes - Softpedia | Aug 03 06:44 | |
| cubexyz | progress is slow :-/ | Aug 03 06:50 |
| cubexyz | oh well, at least xmms is streaming on openbsd now | Aug 03 06:51 |
| cubexyz | I've put a lot of work in configuring vector linux | Aug 03 06:55 |
| cubexyz | this linux guy is pretty funny: | Aug 03 06:56 |
| cubexyz | "The one ray of hope is that maybe, just maybe, the thousands of Windows worms will go to war with each other and kill every Windows machine on earth. Though that would be a short-lived cure, because even after a Windows holocaust the first thing the survivors are going to do is get up, dust themselves off, and see if rebooting will bring their systems back up." | Aug 03 06:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Vendetta Online 1.8.346 MMORPG Available Now | Aug 03 07:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | for Linux, OS X, Windows, iOS, and Android | Aug 03 07:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Vendetta Online 1.8.346 MMORPG Available Now for Linux, OS X, Windows, iOS, and Android - Softpedia | Aug 03 07:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "Docker is very portable—if you can run it on | Aug 03 07:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux, you can run it on Docker—and it doesn't | Aug 03 07:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | care" http://t.co/lfNmOH2Lvh (m.phys.org) | Aug 03 07:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-phys.org | Computing at full capacity | Aug 03 07:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines qBittorrent Open Source Torrent Downloader Gets | Aug 03 07:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Massive WebUI Improvements, More | Aug 03 07:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | qBittorrent Open Source Torrent Downloader Gets Massive WebUI Improvements, More | Tux Machines | Aug 03 07:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Simplicity Linux 15.7 Officially Released, | Aug 03 07:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Based on LXPup and Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS | Aug 03 07:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Simplicity Linux 15.7 Officially Released, Based on LXPup and Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS | Tux Machines | Aug 03 07:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linus Torvalds warns he's in no mood to be | Aug 03 07:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | polite as Linux 4.2 drags | Aug 03 07:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linus Torvalds warns he's in no mood to be polite as Linux 4.2 drags | Tux Machines | Aug 03 07:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Arch Linux-Based BlackArch Penetration Testing | Aug 03 07:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Distro Now Using Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS | Aug 03 07:06 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: I love those Der Untergang adaptations. Thanks! | Aug 03 07:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Arch Linux-Based BlackArch Penetration Testing Distro Now Using Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS | Tux Machines | Aug 03 07:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Debian-Based Clonezilla Live 2.4.2-29 Is Out | Aug 03 07:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | with Partclone 0.2.81 and Lots of Bugfixes | Aug 03 07:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian-Based Clonezilla Live 2.4.2-29 Is Out with Partclone 0.2.81 and Lots of Bugfixes | Tux Machines | Aug 03 07:06 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, I guess Samsung didn't do so bad afterall. The iPhone breaks and the S6 gets some light scuffs. | Aug 03 09:15 |
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| DaemonFC | It's clear that Apple isn't building these things to last. | Aug 03 09:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Devs Willing to Work on GNOME Software | Aug 03 09:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to Replace Ubuntu Software Center | Aug 03 09:16 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines FreeBSD 10.2 Release Candidate 2 Adds Better | Aug 03 09:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Hyper-V Support on Windows Server 2012 | Aug 03 09:16 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A call to policy makers: Open source is where | Aug 03 09:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | innovation is happening http://t.co/2aqxPlWTKT | Aug 03 09:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A call to policy makers: Open source is where innovation is happening | Tux Machines | Aug 03 09:48 | |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/taoup/html/ch01s06.html | Aug 03 10:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Unix philosophy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/n4q5j ] | Aug 03 10:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.catb.org | Basics of the Unix Philosophy [ http://ur1.ca/ncau3 ] | Aug 03 10:26 | |
| MinceR | breaks rules (from esr) 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 16 at the very least | Aug 03 10:30 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Eric S. Raymond rules you mean right. | Aug 03 10:32 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: systemd is in fact modular this is why it could be built as shim | Aug 03 10:32 |
| oiaohm | So systemd passes rule 1. | Aug 03 10:32 |
| oiaohm | Like it or not. | Aug 03 10:32 |
| MinceR | Rule of Modularity: Write simple parts connected by clean interfaces. | Aug 03 10:32 |
| MinceR | systemd's interfaces are anything but clean. | Aug 03 10:32 |
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| MinceR | like it or not. | Aug 03 10:33 |
| MinceR | they declare interfaces as unstable and then proceed to use them. | Aug 03 10:33 |
| oiaohm | That is also wrong. | Aug 03 10:33 |
| oiaohm | systemd did define it interlinks around dbus. | Aug 03 10:33 |
| oiaohm | The interfaces are documented this is why replacements like consolekit2 logind has been possible. | Aug 03 10:34 |
| oiaohm | Also gentoo own remake of udev has also been possible to use with systemd. | Aug 03 10:35 |
| oiaohm | Sorry 1 is not it MinceR | Aug 03 10:35 |
| oiaohm | Rule 3 is also in systemd design. | Aug 03 10:36 |
| MinceR | well, with such cognitive dissonance on your side, it's pointless to talk about it | Aug 03 10:36 |
| MinceR | rule 3: the only program systemd is designed to connect to is systemd | Aug 03 10:36 |
| oiaohm | LOLLOOOOOLLLLL | Aug 03 10:37 |
| oiaohm | Sorry but systemd is designed to connect to more than systemd. | Aug 03 10:37 |
| MinceR | yes, if we pretend that 'systemd-*' is different from systemd | Aug 03 10:37 |
| oiaohm | LOOLLLLLL | Aug 03 10:38 |
| oiaohm | how much are going to get wrong | Aug 03 10:38 |
| MinceR | certainly not as much as redcrap | Aug 03 10:38 |
| oiaohm | Nop | Aug 03 10:38 |
| oiaohm | Again wrong. | Aug 03 10:38 |
| oiaohm | have you ever looked at what systemd does in fact interface with. | Aug 03 10:38 |
| oiaohm | No you have not instead you have followed idiots MinceR | Aug 03 10:39 |
| oiaohm | Lets ingnore the fact systemd is design to connect to syslog both ways. | Aug 03 10:40 |
| cubexyz | other OSes will drop GNOME if they keep adding systemd dependencies to it | Aug 03 10:43 |
| cubexyz | they'll say it's too much work to support | Aug 03 10:43 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: not at all. | Aug 03 10:43 |
| MinceR | and nothing of value will be lost | Aug 03 10:43 |
| oiaohm | have you not seen systembsd | Aug 03 10:43 |
| MinceR | have you seen the struggles of companies trying to keep their products compatible with m$ products? | Aug 03 10:44 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: systembsd is implementing the functions of systemd classed as valueable in a compadible way. | Aug 03 10:44 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: this is done by the BSD guys themselves. | Aug 03 10:44 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Void Linux supports GNOME while using runit. | Aug 03 10:44 |
| XRevan86 | they have loginkit as well | Aug 03 10:45 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: yep standard consolekit2 | Aug 03 10:45 |
| XRevan86 | runit + consolekit2 + loginkit is good enough for GNOME | Aug 03 10:45 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: I didn't find any mentions of login1 in consolekit2 tree, by the way. | Aug 03 10:45 |
| MinceR | the bsd guys are adopting a bad interface that's designed to screw them over | Aug 03 10:45 |
| MinceR | let's all rejoice | Aug 03 10:45 |
| oiaohm | Not at all MinceR | Aug 03 10:45 |
| cubexyz | there's no systemd in bsd | Aug 03 10:45 |
| MinceR | yeah, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain | Aug 03 10:46 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: were you not aware that consoltkit support multi seat right. | Aug 03 10:46 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: that doesn't mean they can't adopt toxic designs | Aug 03 10:46 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: did i care? | Aug 03 10:46 |
| oiaohm | I carred with redhat 7.2 | Aug 03 10:46 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: the only people who [pretend to] worry about multiseat in 2015 are in the cancerd cabal. | Aug 03 10:46 |
| oiaohm | When I could not connect to my mouse because of it. | Aug 03 10:46 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: was there systemd or consolekit in redhat 7.2? | Aug 03 10:47 |
| oiaohm | consolekit in redhat 7.2 | Aug 03 10:47 |
| oiaohm | and it was the one that decide I was logged by http server and cut my mouse off. | Aug 03 10:47 |
| cubexyz | uh no | Aug 03 10:47 |
| MinceR | and yet you continue to promote it | Aug 03 10:47 |
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| cubexyz | there's no consolekit until much later on | Aug 03 10:47 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: I am premoting consolekit2 | Aug 03 10:47 |
| cubexyz | FC1 doesn't have consolekit | Aug 03 10:47 |
| cubexyz | I'm running it still so I know | Aug 03 10:48 |
| MinceR | once bsd starts to copy systemd, they'll lose all the advantages of bsd and will become worthless or dead | Aug 03 10:48 |
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| cubexyz | ok, hold on, is there two different 7.2s? | Aug 03 10:49 |
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| MinceR | i think he's confusing red hat 7.2 with RHEL 7.2 | Aug 03 10:49 |
| MinceR | very different | Aug 03 10:49 |
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| XRevan86 | FreeBSD has advantages? | Aug 03 10:49 |
| MinceR | perhaps not anymore | Aug 03 10:49 |
| MinceR | there's lots of love for crApple there | Aug 03 10:49 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: They're GPL-haters, no wonder they go for permissive Apple stuff. | Aug 03 10:49 |
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| cubexyz | ok, I meant red hat linux 7.2 Enigma released in oct 2001 | Aug 03 10:50 |
| cubexyz | just to be clear :) | Aug 03 10:50 |
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| MinceR | that doesn't mean they have to go for crap design, though | Aug 03 10:50 |
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| cubexyz | anyways there's no systemd or systembsd in openbsd | Aug 03 10:51 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: there was something before consolekit. | Aug 03 10:51 |
| cubexyz | what the heck is wrong with nj3ma :) | Aug 03 10:51 |
| oiaohm | and it was horible. | Aug 03 10:51 |
| cubexyz | what was it called? | Aug 03 10:51 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, there definitely positively is no systemd or systembsd in openbsd :) | Aug 03 10:52 |
| MinceR | i hope it stays that way | Aug 03 10:52 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I remember now. | Aug 03 10:52 |
| oiaohm | hald | Aug 03 10:52 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: HAL is no ConsoleKit predecessor. | Aug 03 10:53 |
| oiaohm | Evil way to hand out what user should have access. | Aug 03 10:53 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: o yes it is for multi seat. | Aug 03 10:53 |
| oiaohm | there are hacked versions of it. | Aug 03 10:53 |
| MinceR | well, at least redcrap will solve that problem for you | Aug 03 10:53 |
| MinceR | they'll move to obfuscated blobs you don't get to hack | Aug 03 10:53 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: no redhat did not. | Aug 03 10:53 |
| MinceR | and even if you do, uefi won't let you run them | Aug 03 10:53 |
| cubexyz | I'm not thrilled with all the software chaos but that's the way it is | Aug 03 10:54 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: It wasn't for multiseat but a hardware abstraction superseded by DeviceKit which later merged into udev. | Aug 03 10:54 |
| MinceR | in this brave new world | Aug 03 10:54 |
| cubexyz | Linux/BSD is the aggregation of a lot of different ideas from a lot of diffent people | Aug 03 10:54 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: No X11 multi seat was done before consolekit. | Aug 03 10:54 |
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| oiaohm | XRevan86: 4 video cards ..... | Aug 03 10:54 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: I guess it was done on top of HAL. | Aug 03 10:54 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: it was done by swaping hal out. | Aug 03 10:55 |
| XRevan86 | but not HAL itself | Aug 03 10:55 |
| cubexyz | so does any distro still use hal or hald? | Aug 03 10:55 |
| oiaohm | With a multiseat version. | Aug 03 10:55 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: FreeBSD | Aug 03 10:55 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Oh my… | Aug 03 10:55 |
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| oiaohm | XRevan86: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg_multiseat Without replacing HALd with a smarter version you have to manually configure everything. | Aug 03 10:59 |
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| MinceR | oh noes | Aug 03 11:00 |
| MinceR | an IT professional has to manually configure something | Aug 03 11:00 |
| MinceR | what has the world come to? | Aug 03 11:00 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: in this case its kinda a problem. | Aug 03 11:00 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: user unplugs mouse plugs it back in its broke. | Aug 03 11:00 |
| MinceR | people seem to like that on windows | Aug 03 11:00 |
| oiaohm | Same with a keyboard. | Aug 03 11:00 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: windows will find the mouse in time without restarting it. | Aug 03 11:01 |
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| MinceR | unless it's in a different port and you're not logged in | Aug 03 11:01 |
| oiaohm | I am meaning broken to point of restarting server required | Aug 03 11:01 |
| oiaohm | At times. | Aug 03 11:01 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: no same port. | Aug 03 11:01 |
| oiaohm | Hal was the magic that reconnected stuff you disabled. | Aug 03 11:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so the reason why you used some custom hacked version was so the reconnection stuff worked. | Aug 03 11:03 |
| oiaohm | X11 hey we support multi seat but you have to manually configure it and use hacked versions of programs. | Aug 03 11:03 |
| oiaohm | Then you would have the other fun that someone would remote in using ssh decide to use a xnest and then find that they had taken over the local keyboard and mouse. | Aug 03 11:05 |
| oiaohm | Because of hald | Aug 03 11:05 |
| oiaohm | Before consolekit the lack of seat seperation was a pure nightmare. | Aug 03 11:05 |
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| cubexyz | I'm running hald on one system still | Aug 03 11:09 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I guess it with consolekit or with pam rules blocking device accesses. | Aug 03 11:10 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: to prevent it doing horible. | Aug 03 11:10 |
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| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I start to think there is no technology you don't still run :). | Aug 03 11:11 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, not quite :) | Aug 03 11:11 |
| oiaohm | To be correct I have a hald forwarding wrapper installed here to consolekit | Aug 03 11:12 |
| oiaohm | or systemd | Aug 03 11:12 |
| oiaohm | because I have a horible program that still required hald calls. | Aug 03 11:12 |
| cubexyz | I have an interesting in the history of operating systems | Aug 03 11:13 |
| cubexyz | an interest | Aug 03 11:13 |
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| cubexyz | oiaohm, I think FC1 was pre-hald | Aug 03 11:13 |
| cubexyz | and I don't remember the mouse having any problems being unplugged | Aug 03 11:13 |
| cubexyz | at least not usb mouse | Aug 03 11:14 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: I have been running multi seat setups on and off file a while. | Aug 03 11:14 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: where you had to get into disabling hald and having x11 magically fail until you put a custom back in. | Aug 03 11:15 |
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| oiaohm | Yes selling feature of X11 was multi seat and then it was broken. | Aug 03 11:15 |
| MinceR | good thing systemd isn't broken, oh wait | Aug 03 11:16 |
| cubexyz | FC3 had hald | Aug 03 11:16 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: hal was a sub part of X11 servers | Aug 03 11:16 |
| oiaohm | To distance X11 servers from having to know how to talk to real OS devices. | Aug 03 11:16 |
| cubexyz | but you can run X without hald | Aug 03 11:17 |
| oiaohm | Depends what make of X11 server cubexyz | Aug 03 11:17 |
| oiaohm | Some version no hal no work. | Aug 03 11:17 |
| oiaohm | Yes the old closed source X11 servers with graphical accleration. | Aug 03 11:18 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: systemd might be broken but the stuff before systemd was also broken in different ways. | Aug 03 11:18 |
| MinceR | yes, and the stuff before systemd was also a lot less broken | Aug 03 11:19 |
| MinceR | and a lot less resource-hungry | Aug 03 11:19 |
| MinceR | and a lot easier to maintain | Aug 03 11:19 |
| cubexyz | the problem with systemd is there doesn't seem to be any way to revert to something else once systemd is installed | Aug 03 11:19 |
| oiaohm | Lot easier to maintain I would not say so. | Aug 03 11:19 |
| MinceR | the problem with systemd is that now if you don't want to run it, you're a heretic | Aug 03 11:19 |
| MinceR | it was not enough to just have Windows, Microsoft Edition | Aug 03 11:20 |
| MinceR | you have to also have Windows, Fedora Edition, and Windows, Red Hat Edition, and Windows, CentOS Edition, and Windows, SuSE Edition and Windows, Debian Edition | Aug 03 11:20 |
| oiaohm | No you mostly get laughed at because you guys who say don't run systemd go around saying this crap. | Aug 03 11:20 |
| MinceR | yeah, i'm used to be laughed at by clueless winblows shills and clueless macos shills | Aug 03 11:21 |
| MinceR | there's nothing new | Aug 03 11:21 |
| MinceR | except you people try to destroy the platform i'm using. | Aug 03 11:21 |
| oiaohm | So that means you are moron MinceR | Aug 03 11:21 |
| MinceR | you won't get anything out of it, but you just have to force winblows on everyone | Aug 03 11:21 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: no, that means you're a moron | Aug 03 11:21 |
| oiaohm | You never win anyone over by being insulting. | Aug 03 11:21 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: you shill for companies who will never benefit you. | Aug 03 11:21 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: then why do you do it? | Aug 03 11:22 |
| oiaohm | Do I really. | Aug 03 11:22 |
| MinceR | 172138 < oiaohm> So that means you are moron MinceR | Aug 03 11:22 |
| MinceR | what was this? | Aug 03 11:22 |
| oiaohm | You were already being insulting. | Aug 03 11:22 |
| MinceR | yeah, how dare i insult the Holy Trinity of windows, macos and systemd. | Aug 03 11:23 |
| oiaohm | And you were show not sign of making any logical arugment. | Aug 03 11:23 |
| oiaohm | So I might as well call you what you are. | Aug 03 11:23 |
| MinceR | yeah, apparently "making a logical argument" has been redefined to "regurgitate systemd talking points" | Aug 03 11:23 |
| MinceR | we're living in an interesting world | Aug 03 11:24 |
| cubexyz | just use the init system you like, it's not a war :) | Aug 03 11:24 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: that's not enough for people like oiaohm | Aug 03 11:24 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: you must use systemd and you must like it. | Aug 03 11:24 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR, oiaohm: Ребята, давайте жить дружно. | Aug 03 11:24 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: NO I have not said users have to use systemd. | Aug 03 11:24 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: and they'll be very surprised when microsoft stabs redhat in the back. and they will. | Aug 03 11:24 |
| oiaohm | I was one who pushed for debian to use openrc | Aug 03 11:24 |
| oiaohm | Please note that MinceR | Aug 03 11:24 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: openrc is not systemd. | Aug 03 11:24 |
| MinceR | openrc has a clearly defined scope | Aug 03 11:25 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Why OpenRC is not updated in Debian anymore? :( | Aug 03 11:25 |
| XRevan86 | being updated * | Aug 03 11:25 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: because the systemd shills won | Aug 03 11:25 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: they destroyed debian. | Aug 03 11:25 |
| XRevan86 | > Let's live in friendship, guys | Aug 03 11:25 |
| cubexyz | I know a guy who was quite proud of his own init system but I can't remember what it's called | Aug 03 11:25 |
| MinceR | some people will only live in friendship with you if you use and _love_ systemd | Aug 03 11:25 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: wrong. | Aug 03 11:25 |
| MinceR | which won't happen | Aug 03 11:26 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: there are updates to openrc in sid. | Aug 03 11:26 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Where? It's still 0.13.1 | Aug 03 11:26 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: it just keeps on failing quality checks. | Aug 03 11:26 |
| MinceR | and if you install openrc on a typical debian desktop system, how many packages will be forced to be removed? | Aug 03 11:26 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Ah, tracker.debian.org | Aug 03 11:26 |
| MinceR | systemd shills use dependencies as a weapon. | Aug 03 11:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: no packages under debain are not allowed to mantainte systemd. | Aug 03 11:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: sysvinit, runit and openrc will work. | Aug 03 11:27 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: yet most of the desktop depends on systemd packages | Aug 03 11:27 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: runit won't. | Aug 03 11:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: nop | Aug 03 11:27 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: I have a runit installed with debian with kde | Aug 03 11:27 |
| MinceR | you're forced to keep crap such as libsystemd and systemd-logind installed | Aug 03 11:27 |
| MinceR | and probably more. | Aug 03 11:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: nop | Aug 03 11:27 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: no use lying, i've tried it. | Aug 03 11:28 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Were you writing init "scripts" from stratch for everything? :) | Aug 03 11:28 |
| oiaohm | what consolekit did you install. MinceR | Aug 03 11:28 |
| MinceR | and your beloved systemd worked out so well debian already had to make a new point release in about 2 months or so. | Aug 03 11:28 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: please note I said KDE not Gnome. | Aug 03 11:28 |
| XRevan86 | > /lib/systemd/system/runit.service | Aug 03 11:28 |
| MinceR | that's "stability" in the brave new debian world. | Aug 03 11:28 |
| XRevan86 | from https://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/runit/filelist | Aug 03 11:28 |
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| XRevan86 | that blowed my mind | Aug 03 11:28 |
| MinceR | debian is dead. soon it will become fedora with debian decals and then it will wither away. | Aug 03 11:29 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: yes runit inside systemd | Aug 03 11:29 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: What's the point? | Aug 03 11:29 |
| MinceR | the point is to retain unreliability and insecurity | Aug 03 11:29 |
| MinceR | and poettering's urine markings on your system. | Aug 03 11:29 |
| MinceR | it's his territory, so he marks it. | Aug 03 11:30 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: some services are designed to be managed by runit | Aug 03 11:30 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: so on a systemd system you run runit inside systemd | Aug 03 11:30 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: and the reverse is also possible. | Aug 03 11:30 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Yeah, I know. Still, what require runit? | Aug 03 11:31 |
| MinceR | the reverse is heresy though | Aug 03 11:31 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: no the reverse is systemd usermode. | Aug 03 11:31 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: never guess what closed source applications will do to you. | Aug 03 11:31 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: like having runit in the required features to have tech support. | Aug 03 11:32 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: What the… | Aug 03 11:32 |
| MinceR | those damned heretic closed source applications, daring to depend on a service manager that actually works | Aug 03 11:32 |
| MinceR | how dare they? | Aug 03 11:32 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: runit is the nicest. Not always do they demard a working service manager. | Aug 03 11:33 |
| MinceR | yeah, sometimes they demand systemd instead | Aug 03 11:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: no | Aug 03 11:34 |
| MinceR | not yet? | Aug 03 11:34 |
| oiaohm | There is none closed source that demard systemd. Some demard docker these days. | Aug 03 11:34 |
| oiaohm | Yep yets run all our own libraries and custom init system. | Aug 03 11:34 |
| msb__ | Hopefully devuan will use sysvinit and will have shims to support apps crippled by systemd-dependency. And will be as simple as possible for a single user. | Aug 03 11:34 |
| MinceR | go bother them and demand that they require systemd-nspawn instead | Aug 03 11:35 |
| MinceR | for red hat! | Aug 03 11:35 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: Will? | Aug 03 11:35 |
| oiaohm | systemd-nspawn supports standard docker images MinceR | Aug 03 11:35 |
| MinceR | hopefully devuan will manage to remove all the excess requirements on systemd garbage | Aug 03 11:35 |
| oiaohm | Your a closed soruce maker you don't make stuff twice MinceR | Aug 03 11:35 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Look at it from the other way around. | Aug 03 11:35 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: actually it has happened before | Aug 03 11:35 |
| msb__ | nspawn? Netherworld Spawn? | Aug 03 11:35 |
| DaemonFC | They could have decided to standardize on Apple launchd. | Aug 03 11:36 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 03 11:36 |
| MinceR | msb__: indeed. | Aug 03 11:36 |
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| MinceR | DaemonFC: not much of a difference | Aug 03 11:36 |
| DaemonFC | The init system that broke cron. | Aug 03 11:36 |
| MinceR | systemd breaks cron all the same | Aug 03 11:36 |
| oiaohm | msb__: sysvinit is broken due to PID usage. | Aug 03 11:36 |
| MinceR | PID usage causes a lot less problems than systemd bugs | Aug 03 11:36 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: How so? | Aug 03 11:36 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: And which cron? %) | Aug 03 11:36 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: systemd takes over cron's job | Aug 03 11:36 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: openrc or other file handle based solutions are more dependable than systemd. | Aug 03 11:37 |
| MinceR | and does so with the greatest complexity possible | Aug 03 11:37 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: So you insist, but it works fine for me and a 100 million others for many years. | Aug 03 11:37 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: cron itself works as well. | Aug 03 11:37 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: keep telling yourself that while you hit reset on your servers. | Aug 03 11:37 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: cron is pretty much complex. | Aug 03 11:37 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: not as complex as systemd. | Aug 03 11:37 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I run servers kernel update to kernel update. | Aug 03 11:37 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: systemd timers have a much simpler design. | Aug 03 11:37 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and sometimes even long. | Aug 03 11:38 |
| DaemonFC | http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~fine/OSX/launchd_cron.html | Aug 03 11:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hea-www.harvard.edu | Cron, Network Users, and Launchd [ http://ur1.ca/ncbko ] | Aug 03 11:38 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, An amusing article. | Aug 03 11:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I don't get where you get that I have to put up with lockups. | Aug 03 11:38 |
| DaemonFC | Apple developers are idiots and totally fucking shameless about it. | Aug 03 11:38 |
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| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: I wouldn't expect anything else. | Aug 03 11:39 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: yeah, neither do i... https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74589 https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/12/21/1343258 https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/02/msg00013.html https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=918226 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1202598 | Aug 03 11:39 |
| msb__ | I value simplicity over perfection. I would much rather have a simple system that has some problem once a year than a much more complex system. | Aug 03 11:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugs.freedesktop.org | Bug 74589 – systemd segfaults if no cgroups are available [ http://ur1.ca/j3zxv ] | Aug 03 11:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/12/21/1343258 ) | Aug 03 11:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.debian.org | Re: Tried to boot my laptop from a cafe... [ http://ur1.ca/jt4ka ] | Aug 03 11:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.opensuse.org | Bug 918226 – systemd segfaults after updating from 208-23.3 to 208-28.1 [ http://ur1.ca/ncbl9 ] | Aug 03 11:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.redhat.com | Bug 1202598 – systemd throttling, taking up 25%+ CPU: "Looping too fast. Throttling execution a little." [ http://ur1.ca/ncbla ] | Aug 03 11:39 | |
| cubexyz | cron in Unix v7 was only 250 lines of code | Aug 03 11:40 |
| oiaohm | Mind you do like how systemd timers do remember to apply the right system wide laugage setttings where standard cron downright forgets to. | Aug 03 11:40 |
| MinceR | maybe if the systemd fanboys keep telling themselves their windows clone is perfect, eventually they'll believe it | Aug 03 11:40 |
| oiaohm | Standard cron Lang=C is default. | Aug 03 11:40 |
| oiaohm | Can cause backup scripts to nicely fail. | Aug 03 11:41 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The "svchost.exe" for Linux. | Aug 03 11:41 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Aug 03 11:41 |
| MinceR | also services.exe | Aug 03 11:41 |
| MinceR | afaik svchost mainly works around the fact that winblows nt processes are hugely bloated and expensive | Aug 03 11:41 |
| DaemonFC | No, it's not that bad. | Aug 03 11:41 |
| MinceR | and naturally, the m$ way to "fix" that is to stuff multiple services in a single process | Aug 03 11:42 |
| cubexyz | I honestly did not like the changes to the usb sub-system | Aug 03 11:42 |
| MinceR | not, you know, fix their fucking kernel in the first place | Aug 03 11:42 |
| DaemonFC | Windows merges the services into one process. It makes for a really nifty way to cloak malware. | Aug 03 11:42 |
| MinceR | it also makes for a really nifty way to ensure that one service crashing takes some others with itself | Aug 03 11:42 |
| DaemonFC | You can't figure out where it's running from because it's running in an executable that says it's a Windows component. | Aug 03 11:42 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74589 << At the time this bug was open what did systemd spec sheet say it required. | Aug 03 11:42 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that is right cgroups. | Aug 03 11:42 |
| MinceR | but hey, this is the place systemd people take their inspiration from. | Aug 03 11:43 |
| cubexyz | we used to be able to open /dev/usb/scanner0 and use it | Aug 03 11:43 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Yeah, that too. | Aug 03 11:43 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: running software without its requirements and it breaks who fault is that. | Aug 03 11:43 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: right, there's absolutely nothing wrong that could happen if pid1 dereferences null pointers carelessly. | Aug 03 11:43 |
| MinceR | who needs pid1 running anyway? | Aug 03 11:43 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: try to read the comments next time | Aug 03 11:44 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: is systemd the first init system to have requirements. | Aug 03 11:44 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I did read the comments. | Aug 03 11:44 |
| MinceR | http://img.linuxfr.org/img/68747470733a2f2f6861636b2d6c696272652e6f72672f66696c65732f6c697672655f7072c3a966c3a972c3a95f6c656e6e6172742d35303070782e6a7067/livre_pr%C3%A9f%C3%A9r%C3%A9_lennart-500px.jpg | Aug 03 11:44 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the answer is no. Its not the first time that init system has died to to lack of requirements. | Aug 03 11:44 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: then you should have noticed how important a crash in pid1 is to these people | Aug 03 11:44 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: and you should already have learned something about redcrap's testing policy | Aug 03 11:45 |
| MinceR | ("don't do it") | Aug 03 11:45 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, It was a way to save some RAM back in the day. | Aug 03 11:45 |
| MinceR | (incidentally, the same as m$'s and crApple's policy) | Aug 03 11:45 |
| DaemonFC | It's a real mess now, and for no gain at all really. | Aug 03 11:45 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: a better way to save RAM would be to run an OS that doesn't put a windowing system in its kernel. | Aug 03 11:45 |
| DaemonFC | It doesn't have to have that. | Aug 03 11:46 |
| MinceR | another good way to save RAM is to run an OS where processes aren't so expensive | Aug 03 11:46 |
| MinceR | like a free unix! | Aug 03 11:46 |
| msb__ | Each cgroup has its own set of PIDs, right? | Aug 03 11:47 |
| msb__ | So running each service in its own cgroup makes the system insanely complicated. | Aug 03 11:47 |
| oiaohm | msb__: Process ID is linked to a cgroup by a filehandle. That will disappear from the cgroup when the application terminates. | Aug 03 11:49 |
| oiaohm | msb__: this will be done by the kernel. | Aug 03 11:49 |
| oiaohm | msb__: so avoiding the problem of PID value pointing to non existing. | Aug 03 11:49 |
| oiaohm | or replaced. | Aug 03 11:49 |
| msb__ | So much for filehandles being about files. | Aug 03 11:50 |
| oiaohm | Unix everything is a file msb__ | Aug 03 11:51 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: Bullshit | Aug 03 11:51 |
| MinceR | 025547 < oiaohm> PID number is no a file. | Aug 03 11:51 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: make up your mind already. | Aug 03 11:51 |
| oiaohm | PID number is not a file. | Aug 03 11:51 |
| oiaohm | the PID in /proc is a file. | Aug 03 11:52 |
| msb__ | In Unix things are files if they behave like files. PIDs do not. | Aug 03 11:52 |
| oiaohm | msb__: PID is not the number. | Aug 03 11:52 |
| MinceR | the plot thickens | Aug 03 11:52 |
| msb__ | It sure used to be. | Aug 03 11:52 |
| msb__ | sickens | Aug 03 11:52 |
| oiaohm | /proc/ direcotry was implemented on Unix for a very long time. | Aug 03 11:54 |
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| oiaohm | Particular service managers under Unix abused it. | Aug 03 11:54 |
| msb__ | Just because there's a file in /proc connected to each pid doesn't mean a pid is not a number. | Aug 03 11:54 |
| oiaohm | Simple fd open the /proc/pid | Aug 03 11:55 |
| msb__ | You could associate the name of a star with each PID, but it would still be a number. | Aug 03 11:55 |
| oiaohm | PID number is a value assigned to a PID that the OS using Posix standards is free to racecondition change between the time you retreave it and when you want to use it. | Aug 03 11:56 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/IdPTkOc.png | Aug 03 11:57 |
| msb__ | Devices are treated as files because you can read and write data from/to them. They have similar semantics. | Aug 03 11:57 |
| DaemonFC | I might subscribe to HBO Now for the one month free trial and then binge watch Game of Thrones before I cancel it. | Aug 03 11:58 |
| DaemonFC | I like to avoid watching stuff until it piles up and then I can get through it during a free trial of something. | Aug 03 11:58 |
| oiaohm | msb__: there are very limited ways under posix/Unix design not to dig yourself into a race condition. | Aug 03 11:58 |
| msb__ | PIDs are numbers which do not have similar semantics to files! | Aug 03 11:58 |
| oiaohm | Reusing PID numbers is not forbiden. | Aug 03 11:59 |
| oiaohm | msb__: Process ID and Process ID numbers are two slightly different things. | Aug 03 11:59 |
| oiaohm | cgroup PID namespaces are legal under unix and posix. | Aug 03 12:00 |
| oiaohm | Yes faking what PID numbers applications see is allowed. | Aug 03 12:00 |
| msb__ | If the kernel assigns a PID to a process, how is that going to cause a race condition if the kernel keeps track of which PIDs are in use? | Aug 03 12:00 |
| oiaohm | msb__: process ends kernel reuses PID number for another process. | Aug 03 12:01 |
| MinceR | the ID is a number | Aug 03 12:01 |
| MinceR | the process structure is not an ID. | Aug 03 12:01 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: | Aug 03 12:01 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the in process stucture is linked to a directory that can be referenced by a filehandle. | Aug 03 12:01 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: So? If process is ended PID is now unused. | Aug 03 12:01 |
| MinceR | procfs is optional. | Aug 03 12:01 |
| oiaohm | And its the existance or lack of existance of the process structure to know if something is still running is what you are intested in. | Aug 03 12:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: filehandle for the process structure is gettable if procfs exists or not. | Aug 03 12:04 |
| oiaohm | msb__: using the PID number you hope it unused when you check and has not been reused. | Aug 03 12:05 |
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| MinceR | http://xkcd.com/1559/ | Aug 03 12:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd.com | xkcd: Driving | Aug 03 12:07 | |
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| DaemonFC | LOL! | Aug 03 12:10 |
| oiaohm | msb__: runit attempts to use filehandles to track but it brought undone by forking. cgroup caused forking to result in automatic addition to the cgroup. | Aug 03 12:10 |
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| oiaohm | msb__: how we end up at cgroups as the way to track is failure after failure. | Aug 03 12:10 |
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| MinceR | looks like they're committed to "failure after failure" | Aug 03 12:20 |
| MinceR | though i guess cancerd at least enables failure in parallel with failure also | Aug 03 12:20 |
| cubexyz | a lot of people don't like systemd | Aug 03 12:20 |
| cubexyz | I log a bunch of channels and it's discussed a lot | Aug 03 12:21 |
| MinceR | which is why the Thought Police is on high alert | Aug 03 12:24 |
| cubexyz | perhaps this will help: | Aug 03 12:24 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/survey-of-init-systems.pdf | Aug 03 12:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ http://www.maxhost.org/other/survey-of-init-systems.pdf ) | Aug 03 12:24 | |
| MinceR | Forbidden | Aug 03 12:26 |
| MinceR | You don't have permission to access /other/survey-of-init-systems.pdf on this server. | Aug 03 12:26 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/survey-of-init-systems.pdf | Aug 03 12:26 |
| MinceR | now it works | Aug 03 12:26 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/628260679254941697 | Aug 03 13:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz In all my travels I've never seen a Norwegian policeman more than once (And that was Oslo)..... | Aug 03 13:53 | |
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| schestowitz | [15:49] <cubexyz> ok, hold on, is there two different 7.2s? | Aug 03 14:10 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz still lives in the 90s ;-p | Aug 03 14:10 |
| cubexyz | I study all eras | Aug 03 14:15 |
| schestowitz | that's good | Aug 03 14:18 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "As part of Evolving KDE we have done a survey | Aug 03 15:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.lydiapintscher.de | Evolving KDE – recommendations | life at the end of the universe | Aug 03 15:40 | |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/microchoice.txt | Aug 03 16:01 |
| MinceR | just like the choice cancerd cultists give you | Aug 03 16:03 |
| MinceR | http://pastebin.ca/3087491 | Aug 03 16:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pastebin.ca | pastebin - Mine - post number 3087491 | Aug 03 16:08 | |
| MinceR | this is the software oiaohm believes in | Aug 03 16:08 |
| cubexyz | I knew windows 10 was going to be a clunker, but when I read the fsf article about windows 10 they really made it sound like the operating system from hell | Aug 03 16:09 |
| MinceR | and yet they prop up systemd | Aug 03 16:10 |
| cubexyz | why do you say that? | Aug 03 16:10 |
| MinceR | the only comments i've ever seen from the FSF and RMS about systemd were supportive | Aug 03 16:10 |
| MinceR | i thought they were supposed to be the canary in the coal mine | Aug 03 16:11 |
| MinceR | but the way they are now, they're useless in that role | Aug 03 16:11 |
| cubexyz | Stallman said he never used systemd | Aug 03 16:13 |
| cubexyz | it sounded like he didn't really want to talk about it | Aug 03 16:13 |
| MinceR | yet he assumes it supports the freedom of the user based solely on its license | Aug 03 16:13 |
| MinceR | then he should have said he doesn't know or that he doesn't want to talk about it | Aug 03 16:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Kernel 3.19.8 CKT3 Is Now Available | Aug 03 16:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AMD Publishes Open-Source Fiji GPU Support For AMDGPU | Tux Machines | Aug 03 16:15 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Companies That Support Linux: Solace Systems | Tux Machines | Aug 03 16:15 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | shouldn’t) root your Android device | Aug 03 16:15 |
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| msb__ | cubexyz: Thanks for Survey of Init Systems pdf! Very educational! | Aug 03 16:19 |
| cubexyz | it's a bit old so it didn't mention systemd, but was still interesting | Aug 03 16:19 |
| cubexyz | I'm trying to understand what shpchp does | Aug 03 16:33 |
| cubexyz | it's the Standard Hot Plug PCI controller driver | Aug 03 16:33 |
| cubexyz | "you can insert a new PCI hot plug adapter into an available PCI slot while the operating system is running" | Aug 03 16:35 |
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| msb__ | Very good argument against systemd, which tries to protect against problematic services by greatly increasing overall complexity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_is_the_enemy_of_good | Aug 03 17:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Perfect is the enemy of good - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/hfjzt ] | Aug 03 17:08 | |
| msb__ | Better to fix misbehaving services and leave the system simple enough that troubleshooting with ps, top, killall, etc., is still possible. | Aug 03 17:09 |
| msb__ | A Linux suitable for running all of Google or IMDB or Amazon on a single million-cpu processor is NOT suitable for running my 8-core desktop (which is only 2-core now). | Aug 03 17:12 |
| cubexyz | it's an operations issue to a large degree | Aug 03 17:12 |
| cubexyz | as the operator gets more skilled with any given system efficiency increases | Aug 03 17:12 |
| cubexyz | it doesn't matter exactly what software I use to access my scanner and long as it works | Aug 03 17:13 |
| cubexyz | I still want FOSS software of course | Aug 03 17:14 |
| msb__ | But I don't need all the load balancing, service tracking, malware preventing that those huge systems need. | Aug 03 17:14 |
| cubexyz | no a simpler OS for us is better | Aug 03 17:14 |
| msb__ | And I am already skilled enough that I can fix problems with my simple system. | Aug 03 17:14 |
| cubexyz | I can do my own load balancing by running different programs on different computers | Aug 03 17:15 |
| cubexyz | right | Aug 03 17:15 |
| msb__ | With a $200 8-core you won't even have to do that. | Aug 03 17:15 |
| msb__ | With my 2-core, I have to nice down firefox in order to play x265s. | Aug 03 17:17 |
| msb__ | That's load balancing. | Aug 03 17:17 |
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| cubexyz | I have one screen dedicated to IRC so I don't miss anything :) | Aug 03 17:18 |
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| msb__ | I just use konversation, which keeps history of all irc channels that I'm in. It draws a red line at the last point that I read! | Aug 03 17:20 |
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| MinceR | http://imgur.com/gallery/8OJ4t | Aug 03 17:25 |
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| Cirrus_Minor | http://gnuworldorder.info/ | Aug 03 17:38 |
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| MinceR | http://imgur.com/gallery/jJBoLbv | Aug 03 17:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-imgur.com | I'm honestly not that worried about a Skynet takeover. - Imgur | Aug 03 17:48 | |
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| msb__ | 8^) | Aug 03 18:20 |
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| MinceR | https://www.reddit.com/r/touhou/comments/3fnmyf/psa_windows_10_locale/ | Aug 03 18:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | PSA: Windows 10 Locale : touhou [ http://ur1.ca/nch09 ] | Aug 03 18:25 | |
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| MinceR | http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/aug/03/privacy-smartphones-battery-life | Aug 03 18:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | How your phone's battery life can be used to invade your privacy | Technology | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/nch2e ] | Aug 03 18:32 | |
| MinceR | html5, fuck yeah | Aug 03 18:32 |
| cubexyz | huh, the survey of init systems was downloaded over 100 times | Aug 03 18:56 |
| cubexyz | starting to see some Arm64 and more Android users | Aug 03 19:00 |
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| oiaohm | Right now I am so happy my system has logind with loginctl. Its been driving me nuts why under Plasma I did not have vdpau working and it worked everwhere else. | Aug 03 19:36 |
| oiaohm | Also turns out it also a cause of KDE 5 instablity behind the problem. | Aug 03 19:37 |
| MinceR | http://pastebin.ca/3087493 | Aug 03 19:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pastebin.ca | pastebin - Mine - post number 3087493 | Aug 03 19:37 | |
| oiaohm | When you log out of Plasma 5 a section of it remains running. | Aug 03 19:37 |
| MinceR | behold, the service manager without flaws | Aug 03 19:37 |
| oiaohm | That old section interfers with next instance. | Aug 03 19:38 |
| oiaohm | Causing kwin to crash randomally and vdpua not to work. | Aug 03 19:38 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: No that message you have in pastebin is fairly clear Active: active (running) its consuming CPU even after the main process has died. | Aug 03 19:41 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that would be a leak under sysvinit possilbe prevent it from restarting. | Aug 03 19:41 |
| MinceR | yes, it's clearly active(running) and exited/FAILURE | Aug 03 19:41 |
| MinceR | only a heretic would think that's inconsistent | Aug 03 19:41 |
| MinceR | luckily for us, the thought police is here | Aug 03 19:42 |
| oiaohm | active and running is cgroup consumtion. | Aug 03 19:42 |
| oiaohm | So processes started by that are still running. | Aug 03 19:42 |
| oiaohm | Unfortantlly some closed source and badly made open source services return failed yet are working. | Aug 03 19:42 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: what have you never managed servers with closed source/bad open source services. | Aug 03 19:43 |
| MinceR | service is behaving badly under systemd: service's fault | Aug 03 19:44 |
| MinceR | service is behaving badly under anything else: service manager's fault | Aug 03 19:44 |
| MinceR | interesting. | Aug 03 19:44 |
| oiaohm | Process: 12578 ExecStop=/usr/libexec/tomcat/server stop (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) << notice what is. | Aug 03 19:45 |
| oiaohm | Command to stop server has failed. | Aug 03 19:45 |
| oiaohm | So yes service is still running. | Aug 03 19:45 |
| oiaohm | At this point you use the systemd cgroup sledge hammer to shut it down. | Aug 03 19:46 |
| oiaohm | Now if you are under sysvinit it hopefully manually dig it out the system. | Aug 03 19:46 |
| oiaohm | Or reboot the system. | Aug 03 19:47 |
| oiaohm | What you are complain about there is extreamly bad under a sysvinit system MinceR | Aug 03 19:47 |
| oiaohm | Annoying under a systemd system. | Aug 03 19:47 |
| MinceR | good think you love rebooting | Aug 03 19:47 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: No it reboot under sysvinit | Aug 03 19:49 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: to get a clean state. | Aug 03 19:49 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: systemd is not reboot | Aug 03 19:49 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you just brought in an example for systemd | Aug 03 19:50 |
| MinceR | and reboot under systemd to upgrade the logging daemon, to stop it from wasting cpu in an endless loop, to make it try booting without starting services while fsck is still working, ... | Aug 03 19:50 |
| MinceR | yes, i know | Aug 03 19:50 |
| MinceR | in the systemd religion, everything proves the glory of systemd | Aug 03 19:50 |
| oiaohm | No MinceR | Aug 03 19:50 |
| oiaohm | There are counter systemd arguements. | Aug 03 19:50 |
| MinceR | yes, and you believe all of them are wrong | Aug 03 19:50 |
| oiaohm | But you have to understand what would happen under sysvinit | Aug 03 19:50 |
| oiaohm | To know if you have one. | Aug 03 19:51 |
| oiaohm | You have brought me 3 total that are valid MinceR | Aug 03 19:51 |
| oiaohm | and I have stated they are valid MinceR | Aug 03 19:51 |
| MinceR | how does that make your cognitive dissonance feel? | Aug 03 19:51 |
| oiaohm | So its not that I will not believe you. | Aug 03 19:51 |
| oiaohm | If you are right. | Aug 03 19:51 |
| oiaohm | But I am really sick of you bringing in examples that if you test the same thing under sysvinit you have a big problem. | Aug 03 19:52 |
| oiaohm | Basically that example is also why to use openrc over sysvinit. | Aug 03 19:52 |
| oiaohm | And openrc would have reported the same thing. | Aug 03 19:52 |
| oiaohm | Ie the server is still running after its been told to stop. | Aug 03 19:52 |
| oiaohm | And that the stop command fialed. | Aug 03 19:53 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the fsck one is interesting. Systemd design says all key filesystems are mean to be checked and mounted by the initrd. | Aug 03 19:56 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: all non key filesystems are to be started by systemd. | Aug 03 19:57 |
| MinceR | it was said that some sort of timeout causes it to resume | Aug 03 19:57 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: where is / checked. | Aug 03 19:58 |
| oiaohm | Initrd includes fsck for a reason. | Aug 03 19:58 |
| oiaohm | systemd itself is not started until initrd ends. | Aug 03 19:59 |
| MinceR | maybe they'll make putting systemd in the initramfs mandatory :> | Aug 03 20:00 |
| MinceR | or they'll just proceed directly to ksystemd | Aug 03 20:00 |
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| oiaohm | Nop there is a different replacement for initrd | Aug 03 20:01 |
| oiaohm | What replaceing script based initrd has been defined. | Aug 03 20:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: about time you find the name of it. | Aug 03 20:02 |
| MinceR | ksystemd will make dave cutler so proud! | Aug 03 20:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: come on name what replaces script based initrd | Aug 03 20:04 |
| oiaohm | https://dracut.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page | Aug 03 20:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dracut.wiki.kernel.org | Dracut Wiki [ http://ur1.ca/b5kvb ] | Aug 03 20:05 | |
| oiaohm | The answer is dracut MinceR | Aug 03 20:05 |
| *MinceR is not impressed | Aug 03 20:06 | |
| oiaohm | dracut is more successful at starting that old init solution. | Aug 03 20:06 |
| oiaohm | old initrd systems. | Aug 03 20:06 |
| MinceR | ooh, it depends on udev, therefore, systemd | Aug 03 20:07 |
| oiaohm | Nop | Aug 03 20:07 |
| MinceR | yet another tentacle | Aug 03 20:07 |
| MinceR | "dracut's initramfs depends on udev" | Aug 03 20:07 |
| oiaohm | dracut does not use systemd libudev | Aug 03 20:07 |
| MinceR | right on the page you linked | Aug 03 20:07 |
| MinceR | udev is part of systemd | Aug 03 20:07 |
| oiaohm | dracut talks straight to udev kernel. | Aug 03 20:07 |
| oiaohm | udev is two halfs | Aug 03 20:07 |
| oiaohm | udev in kernel and userspace. | Aug 03 20:07 |
| oiaohm | systemd is only the userspace library part. | Aug 03 20:07 |
| oiaohm | So again you miss read and go off will bull crap MinceR | Aug 03 20:08 |
| oiaohm | dracut has no dependance on any particular init system. | Aug 03 20:09 |
| MinceR | yet. | Aug 03 20:09 |
| oiaohm | No never will. | Aug 03 20:09 |
| MinceR | also, systemd is not an init system | Aug 03 20:09 |
| MinceR | it's a piece of cancerous malware that aspires to be an operating system. | Aug 03 20:09 |
| oiaohm | Part of systemd is a init system. | Aug 03 20:09 |
| MinceR | it's a parasite that's latching on to the host OS with a million tentacles. | Aug 03 20:09 |
| oiaohm | Otherwise it could not init the system MinceR | Aug 03 20:09 |
| MinceR | just like redcrap is a parasite that's latching on to the free software community | Aug 03 20:10 |
| MinceR | and microsoft is a parasite that's latching on to the IT industry | Aug 03 20:10 |
| oiaohm | Also what is funny here MinceR | Aug 03 20:12 |
| oiaohm | Is dracut developers really don't like having todo massive amounts of fsck in the initrd | Aug 03 20:13 |
| MinceR | yeah, that's a regular laugh riot | Aug 03 20:13 |
| oiaohm | Because the dracut developers are kernel developers and believe you should be able to boot without a initramfs | Aug 03 20:14 |
| oiaohm | Now that is a real issue of systemd. | Aug 03 20:14 |
| MinceR | not all kernel developers are created equal | Aug 03 20:14 |
| oiaohm | it mandates the existance of a initramfs | Aug 03 20:14 |
| MinceR | consider gregkh for example, who wanted kdbus to be dumped in the kernel without review. | Aug 03 20:14 |
| oiaohm | Of course not all kernel developers are equal. | Aug 03 20:15 |
| oiaohm | There is more than 1 of them for a reason. | Aug 03 20:16 |
| oiaohm | Part of gregkh job is be advicate to get drivers into the kernel that are not of acceptable quality but address issues. Like android binder. | Aug 03 20:17 |
| MinceR | who employs him to do that? | Aug 03 20:18 |
| MinceR | redcrap? | Aug 03 20:18 |
| oiaohm | There are other developers who have the role of putting up the counter arguement. | Aug 03 20:18 |
| MinceR | whoever owns suse this month? | Aug 03 20:18 |
| MinceR | or perhaps the nsa directly? | Aug 03 20:18 |
| oiaohm | Guess what both sides are are redhat. | Aug 03 20:18 |
| oiaohm | Its a classic proscution/defense model. | Aug 03 20:19 |
| MinceR | a classic shell game | Aug 03 20:19 |
| oiaohm | Gregkh loses more often than he wins. | Aug 03 20:19 |
| MinceR | and apparently if he wins, the kernel goes to shit | Aug 03 20:19 |
| oiaohm | The last 2 vetos to kdbus include have been redhat. | Aug 03 20:20 |
| MinceR | maybe they'll have a chat with HR, then | Aug 03 20:20 |
| oiaohm | They are all doing their job. | Aug 03 20:20 |
| MinceR | i can see that | Aug 03 20:21 |
| MinceR | what i wonder is how much more will have to be destroyed until they're stopped | Aug 03 20:21 |
| oiaohm | This system of how to do major changes in the Linux kernel started 1994 | Aug 03 20:21 |
| MinceR | so far we've lost 5 distros that weren't redcrap or suse | Aug 03 20:21 |
| oiaohm | Most of the time it works well. | Aug 03 20:21 |
| MinceR | major ones, anyway | Aug 03 20:22 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#Adoption_and_reception | Aug 03 20:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | systemd - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nci1p ] | Aug 03 20:22 | |
| oiaohm | Really most of the distrobution who have taken up systemd were taking redhat sysvinit modifications. | Aug 03 20:22 |
| oiaohm | So really not as independant as you are making out MinceR | Aug 03 20:23 |
| MinceR | so redcrap was already holding their strings | Aug 03 20:23 |
| oiaohm | Has held there strings since 1996 yet you never noticed MinceR | Aug 03 20:23 |
| MinceR | well yeah, in the IT industry (and also in politics) it's a beloved sport to set up pretend "independents" | Aug 03 20:23 |
| MinceR | yeah, i didn't notice what redcrap was doing to gnu/linux until they killed debian | Aug 03 20:24 |
| oiaohm | debian has taken redhat sysvinit modifications since 1997 | Aug 03 20:24 |
| MinceR | and look where it got them | Aug 03 20:24 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: to being one of the most used and modified distrobutions on earth I would say taking redhat stuff has done them quite well. | Aug 03 20:26 |
| MinceR | i must be imagining the mass of bug tickets reporting horrible behavior due to systemd | Aug 03 20:27 |
| oiaohm | Other than the RPM/DEB bickering distrobutions have been closer. | Aug 03 20:27 |
| MinceR | i wonder how long debian will last | Aug 03 20:27 |
| MinceR | after all, the systemd cult believes that diversity is evil | Aug 03 20:27 |
| MinceR | so there can be only one distro | Aug 03 20:28 |
| MinceR | once systemdnf comes out, debian will abandon .deb | Aug 03 20:28 |
| oiaohm | Reality diversity in Linux Distrobutions has not existed properly for a long time. | Aug 03 20:28 |
| MinceR | and there won't be much of a pretense anymore | Aug 03 20:28 |
| MinceR | rejoice, then | Aug 03 20:28 |
| oiaohm | Interesting enough there is a rpm5 that does deb and rpm. | Aug 03 20:28 |
| oiaohm | There is techically differences in the way deb and rpm work. | Aug 03 20:29 |
| MinceR | ooh, then that can be adopted based on its "merits" by debian immediately | Aug 03 20:29 |
| oiaohm | neither can cover all cases perfectly. | Aug 03 20:29 |
| MinceR | go tell them | Aug 03 20:29 |
| oiaohm | No need MinceR https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=623585 | Aug 03 20:31 |
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| oiaohm | rpm5 is not new MinceR | Aug 03 20:31 |
| oiaohm | The fact it existed for this long and debian has not changed means debian is highly unlikely to move. | Aug 03 20:31 |
| MinceR | i don't see anything about replacing dpkg with rpm5 here | Aug 03 20:31 |
| MinceR | yeah, right | Aug 03 20:31 |
| oiaohm | Debian policy before it can replace anything it has to get its tail into sid. | Aug 03 20:32 |
| oiaohm | So far RPM5 has failed to get into sid. | Aug 03 20:32 |
| oiaohm | systemd could not be considered to replace the core init until it was at least in sid. | Aug 03 20:33 |
| MinceR | that's fine, redcrap pays enough people to make debian do its bidding | Aug 03 20:33 |
| MinceR | all they need to do is make gnome depend on yum/dnf/rpm being the package manager, and apt/dpkg gets thrown out before you realize what's going on | Aug 03 20:34 |
| oiaohm | You don't want to accept that systemd won on techical merit with debian and can lose on techical merit. | Aug 03 20:34 |
| MinceR | that's because i know systemd | Aug 03 20:34 |
| oiaohm | gnome dependant on only rpm has already been attempted. | Aug 03 20:34 |
| oiaohm | Totallly failed to move debian in 2002 | Aug 03 20:34 |
| MinceR | it's not 2002, though | Aug 03 20:35 |
| oiaohm | 2006 | Aug 03 20:35 |
| oiaohm | and 2008 | Aug 03 20:35 |
| oiaohm | Result is they are not moving. | Aug 03 20:35 |
| oiaohm | And if you knew your topic you would know why RPM to move debian has such a big problems. | Aug 03 20:40 |
| oiaohm | http://debian-br.sourceforge.net/txt/alien.html This lists the features of RPM and DEB | Aug 03 20:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-debian-br.sourceforge.net | A comparison of the deb, rpm, tgz, and slp package formats. [ http://ur1.ca/6kp8 ] | Aug 03 20:41 | |
| MinceR | the move to systemd caused tons of problems, yet it still happened. | Aug 03 20:42 |
| oiaohm | There were a ton of problems before systemd as well. | Aug 03 20:42 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: problems you want to pretend did not exist. | Aug 03 20:42 |
| MinceR | oh, that's fine, i guess | Aug 03 20:43 |
| MinceR | getting a lot of new problems is OK if we had a few before | Aug 03 20:43 |
| oiaohm | Number of problems systemd has caused are less than what already existed. | Aug 03 20:43 |
| MinceR | citation needed | Aug 03 20:43 |
| oiaohm | changing to consolekit caused pain. | Aug 03 20:44 |
| oiaohm | Because you could not clearly see what it was upto. | Aug 03 20:44 |
| oiaohm | so swaping out consolekit for a logind like solution makes sense. | Aug 03 20:44 |
| MinceR | good thing systemd is so transparent | Aug 03 20:45 |
| MinceR | anything makes sense if you lie hard enough. | Aug 03 20:45 |
| oiaohm | You would not call consolekit that transparent either. | Aug 03 20:45 |
| MinceR | which would matter, if consolekit was all systemd replaced. | Aug 03 20:45 |
| oiaohm | Its not lieing hard enough. | Aug 03 20:45 |
| MinceR | if it was as modular as you keep insisting, that would not be a problem. | Aug 03 20:46 |
| oiaohm | The change makes sense for now. Best out of a bad bunch. | Aug 03 20:46 |
| oiaohm | Now what we need is something designed better that can get into sid. | Aug 03 20:46 |
| MinceR | if you like the design principles of windows so much, why not just use windows? | Aug 03 20:46 |
| oiaohm | Then fight for it place. | Aug 03 20:46 |
| MinceR | we already have plenty of stuff that's designed better in sid | Aug 03 20:46 |
| MinceR | unless they've already thrown out sysvinit and openrc. | Aug 03 20:47 |
| MinceR | hell, even upstart is less brain-damaged than systemd. | Aug 03 20:47 |
| oiaohm | openrc is managing to fail to build. | Aug 03 20:47 |
| MinceR | strange, thousands of gentoo users manage to build it | Aug 03 20:47 |
| MinceR | somehow | Aug 03 20:47 |
| MinceR | i managed to build it too | Aug 03 20:47 |
| MinceR | it makes one suspect that perhaps they don't _want_ it to build. | Aug 03 20:48 |
| oiaohm | Even gentoo users do broard testing have run into some openrc issues. | Aug 03 20:48 |
| MinceR | well, that makes the choice easy, then, since systemd has no issues | Aug 03 20:48 |
| MinceR | oh wait | Aug 03 20:48 |
| oiaohm | Even that systemd has lots of nasty issues it managed to be good enough to get past debian auto quality tests. | Aug 03 20:48 |
| MinceR | funny thing, a lot of openrc doesn't even need to build, as there are shell scripts in there | Aug 03 20:48 |
| MinceR | (heresy!) | Aug 03 20:49 |
| MinceR | that only means that debian's auto quality tests aren't worth shit. | Aug 03 20:49 |
| oiaohm | debian has auto audited for bad scripting style MinceR | Aug 03 20:49 |
| oiaohm | There are quality issues with openrc | Aug 03 20:49 |
| MinceR | has it auto audited for braindead software design too? | Aug 03 20:49 |
| oiaohm | I want to see resolved. | Aug 03 20:49 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter anymore | Aug 03 20:49 |
| oiaohm | It does matter | Aug 03 20:50 |
| MinceR | the systemd cult got their thing in, openrc doesn't have another chance there | Aug 03 20:50 |
| oiaohm | Thinking there is another vote for init system for debian marked for next major release. | Aug 03 20:50 |
| MinceR | redcrap has all the leverage it needs to do debian whatever it wants. | Aug 03 20:50 |
| MinceR | and since debian is a competitor, there's only one direction that will go. | Aug 03 20:50 |
| MinceR | we've seen this game played by m$ so many times | Aug 03 20:51 |
| oiaohm | There is another chance for openrc | Aug 03 20:51 |
| MinceR | yet some people expect different results this time. | Aug 03 20:51 |
| oiaohm | It was given to the next release to mature. | Aug 03 20:51 |
| MinceR | maturity doesn't matter to debian | Aug 03 20:51 |
| MinceR | if it did, they wouldn't have adopted systemd. | Aug 03 20:51 |
| MinceR | it's still full of bugs that would be considered blockers if redcrap didn't have them by the balls. | Aug 03 20:52 |
| oiaohm | If they were happy with the systemd choice they would not have marked down for vote again next release. | Aug 03 20:52 |
| MinceR | it doesn't matter what they do in the next release | Aug 03 20:52 |
| oiaohm | You have presumed debian is happy about systemd MinceR | Aug 03 20:52 |
| MinceR | the idea of a "stable" release becomes preposterous after jessie is out. | Aug 03 20:52 |
| MinceR | only fools would trust debian with production systems now. | Aug 03 20:53 |
| MinceR | they might as well take fedora, slap a "debian" sticker on it and put it up for download. | Aug 03 20:53 |
| MinceR | they seemed pretty damn happy with that crap | Aug 03 20:53 |
| MinceR | so happy in fact they did everything they could to prevent people from using sysvinit | Aug 03 20:53 |
| oiaohm | Thing that is annoying me is systemd based debian for servers is less strange bugs than sysvinit was. | Aug 03 20:53 |
| MinceR | they did everything they could to break the system if you tried to do the heretical thing | Aug 03 20:54 |
| MinceR | they can go fuck themselves now. | Aug 03 20:54 |
| oiaohm | Debian was losing ground to upstart in servers because of sysvinit strangeness errors. | Aug 03 20:54 |
| MinceR | oh wait, they already have. | Aug 03 20:54 |
| MinceR | they've made all their work (past, present and future) count for jack shit with this move. | Aug 03 20:54 |
| MinceR | that's a good one | Aug 03 20:54 |
| MinceR | upstart on a server | Aug 03 20:54 |
| MinceR | that's like windows on a server | Aug 03 20:54 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: ubuntu | Aug 03 20:55 |
| MinceR | another knee-slapper | Aug 03 20:55 |
| MinceR | ubuntu "server" | Aug 03 20:55 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu was beating debian for server market aquirements. | Aug 03 20:55 |
| oiaohm | For a while. | Aug 03 20:55 |
| MinceR | hey, let's randomly suspend and resume processes for no good reason! | Aug 03 20:55 |
| MinceR | ooh, "beating" | Aug 03 20:55 |
| MinceR | just like windows is "beating" everyone else, right? | Aug 03 20:55 |
| MinceR | so much merit in that system. | Aug 03 20:55 |
| oiaohm | Remember debian refused to go upstart completely. | Aug 03 20:55 |
| MinceR | i still don't see why don't you systemd lovers just move to windows already | Aug 03 20:56 |
| MinceR | it's got all the design flaws you love so much | Aug 03 20:56 |
| oiaohm | Really I would prefer openrc | Aug 03 20:56 |
| MinceR | it's got services.exe, svchost.exe | Aug 03 20:56 |
| MinceR | it's got a windowing system in the kernel | Aug 03 20:56 |
| MinceR | it's got all sorts of random crap in the kernel | Aug 03 20:56 |
| MinceR | really, kdbus is just peanuts next to what windows does in the kernel | Aug 03 20:56 |
| oiaohm | That is the thing what Windows does in kernel is massive insane. | Aug 03 20:57 |
| MinceR | yeah, but that's totally cool nowadays | Aug 03 20:57 |
| MinceR | move dbus into the kernel, move everything else into pid1 | Aug 03 20:57 |
| oiaohm | Not true. | Aug 03 20:57 |
| MinceR | memory protection? who needs that? | Aug 03 20:57 |
| MinceR | access control? who needs that? | Aug 03 20:57 |
| oiaohm | pid1 does not in fact run lot under systemd. | Aug 03 20:57 |
| oiaohm | logind does not run as PID1 | Aug 03 20:58 |
| MinceR | let's let all the functions shit right all over each other's memory and see what happens! | Aug 03 20:58 |
| MinceR | files too! | Aug 03 20:58 |
| oiaohm | started by pid1 | Aug 03 20:58 |
| oiaohm | systemd is a stack of small applications. | Aug 03 20:58 |
| MinceR | yeah | Aug 03 20:58 |
| MinceR | which is why you can just swap out journald for something that was designed by someone with a clue, right? | Aug 03 20:58 |
| MinceR | oh wait, you can't | Aug 03 20:58 |
| MinceR | cancerd is modular only on the brochure | Aug 03 20:59 |
| MinceR | whenever you'd actually do something with this mythical modularity, it disappears. | Aug 03 20:59 |
| oiaohm | To be correct you could swap out journald | Aug 03 20:59 |
| oiaohm | but no one has make a replacement that supports the define interfaces. | Aug 03 20:59 |
| MinceR | sewing something on the asshole of journald is not "swapping out". | Aug 03 20:59 |
| MinceR | i wonder why no one has done that | Aug 03 20:59 |
| oiaohm | Supports all the define interfaces yet. | Aug 03 21:00 |
| oiaohm | rsyslog has a prototype. | Aug 03 21:00 |
| MinceR | yeah, a moving target is so easy to follow | Aug 03 21:00 |
| MinceR | especially with all the secrets. | Aug 03 21:00 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Aug 03 21:00 |
| MinceR | it's AARD all over again. | Aug 03 21:00 |
| oiaohm | journald interfaces were defined in 2010 and have not changed. | Aug 03 21:00 |
| MinceR | that time novell was one of the victims | Aug 03 21:00 |
| MinceR | they didn't learn jack shit from it either. | Aug 03 21:01 |
| oiaohm | Most parts of systemd are not moving targets. | Aug 03 21:01 |
| MinceR | citation needed | Aug 03 21:01 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: same place I gave you with logind documentation. | Aug 03 21:02 |
| MinceR | also, i wonder what will happen to all these alleged stable interfaces when the CADT model hits | Aug 03 21:02 |
| MinceR | and systemd gets rewritten all over again | Aug 03 21:02 |
| oiaohm | Turns out journald and logind they documented first then coded badly. | Aug 03 21:02 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: not in citation given | Aug 03 21:02 |
| oiaohm | The fact journald is broken is not the design. | Aug 03 21:02 |
| MinceR | funny thing, i do have something about the value of promises made by poettering/redcrap | Aug 03 21:03 |
| MinceR | http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.hotplug.devel/17392 | Aug 03 21:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-article.gmane.org | Gmane -- The future of the udev source tree [ http://ur1.ca/jn1n9 ] | Aug 03 21:03 | |
| MinceR | http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html | Aug 03 21:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.freedesktop.org | [systemd-devel] [PATCH] Drop the udev firmware loader [ http://ur1.ca/ir0kd ] | Aug 03 21:03 | |
| MinceR | it says "they aren't worth the money it cost you to download the message they were in" | Aug 03 21:03 |
| MinceR | also, journald is broken by design | Aug 03 21:03 |
| MinceR | it's sad if you can't see that. | Aug 03 21:03 |
| oiaohm | Please note the journald interface design is all text based. | Aug 03 21:04 |
| oiaohm | No binary logs. | Aug 03 21:04 |
| MinceR | and the design of journald consists solely of its interface? | Aug 03 21:04 |
| MinceR | is systemd a potemkin village, then? | Aug 03 21:04 |
| oiaohm | The interface design is what you have to copy to replace it. | Aug 03 21:05 |
| oiaohm | They could have include the binary crap in the interface design. | Aug 03 21:05 |
| MinceR | they didn't have to. | Aug 03 21:05 |
| oiaohm | But they thought that someone some day might want to make a replacement to journald. | Aug 03 21:06 |
| MinceR | journald interface vs. design: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/05/04/the-broodax-imperiate | Aug 03 21:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.penny-arcade.com | Penny Arcade - Comic - The Broodax Imperiate [ http://ur1.ca/ncif1 ] | Aug 03 21:06 | |
| MinceR | they thought that the nsa some day might want a replacement to journald? | Aug 03 21:07 |
| MinceR | if they really wanted journald to be possible to swap out, it would have the same interface as the preexisting syslogd-s. | Aug 03 21:08 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Aug 03 21:08 |
| MinceR | i was sure you'd say that | Aug 03 21:08 |
| oiaohm | to ensure proper logging existing syslogs had to use wrapper programs. | Aug 03 21:09 |
| MinceR | redcrap is just like m$, they rewrite the rules as they see fit and the unthinking masses worship them for it and praise their every move. | Aug 03 21:09 |
| MinceR | at least existing syslogs could do proper logging. | Aug 03 21:09 |
| oiaohm | Most of those had the same problems consolekit had. | Aug 03 21:09 |
| oiaohm | No interface to find out what in heck they were upto. | Aug 03 21:09 |
| MinceR | and for that you have to replace the entire interface? cool story. | Aug 03 21:10 |
| oiaohm | journald kept syslog backend and recieving messages by syslog. | Aug 03 21:10 |
| oiaohm | So no they did not replace the complete inteface. | Aug 03 21:10 |
| MinceR | is that why it shits logs into an unreliable binary mess? | Aug 03 21:10 |
| oiaohm | storing in binary logs that was a idea that other parties had done before them. | Aug 03 21:11 |
| oiaohm | That someone though would be core. | Aug 03 21:11 |
| oiaohm | core/cool. | Aug 03 21:11 |
| MinceR | which is why nobody with a clue would put that "someone" in charge. | Aug 03 21:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: as I said to you binary logs on Unix/Linux/BSD is not new. | Aug 03 21:12 |
| oiaohm | journald developers though they would include it as a core feature. | Aug 03 21:12 |
| MinceR | yeah, if you take the truth, flip it inside out and mangle it really well, it seems like it's not new | Aug 03 21:12 |
| MinceR | that is, if you deliberately confuse syslog with utmp and wtmp | Aug 03 21:12 |
| MinceR | they're not the same thing. | Aug 03 21:12 |
| MinceR | and yeah, the journal developers are idiots. | Aug 03 21:13 |
| MinceR | s/al/ald/ | Aug 03 21:13 |
| MinceR | i don't see anything in http://debian-br.sourceforge.net/txt/alien.html that sufficiently motivated moles couldn't ignore. | Aug 03 21:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-debian-br.sourceforge.net | A comparison of the deb, rpm, tgz, and slp package formats. [ http://ur1.ca/6kp8 ] | Aug 03 21:13 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: syslog-ng before systemd existed supported using completely binary syslogs. | Aug 03 21:13 |
| MinceR | that's great for them, i guess | Aug 03 21:14 |
| MinceR | still, it didn't force anyone to use syslog-ng. | Aug 03 21:14 |
| MinceR | nor did it force anyone to pass their logs through syslog-ng. | Aug 03 21:14 |
| oiaohm | What was redhat default syslog. syslog-ng | Aug 03 21:14 |
| MinceR | who cares? nobody with a clue used redhat. | Aug 03 21:14 |
| oiaohm | Where did the developer of journald come from. | Aug 03 21:14 |
| MinceR | yum is still an unreliable mess, and most likely so's dnf. | Aug 03 21:14 |
| MinceR | hell? | Aug 03 21:14 |
| oiaohm | syslog-ng | Aug 03 21:14 |
| MinceR | microsoft? | Aug 03 21:14 |
| MinceR | the nsa? | Aug 03 21:14 |
| oiaohm | and redhat. | Aug 03 21:15 |
| oiaohm | Fairly much the issue of binary logging was ingnored before journal.d | Aug 03 21:15 |
| MinceR | strange, i thought the syslog-ng developers didn't have shit for brains | Aug 03 21:15 |
| oiaohm | As long as you could turn it off it was classed acceptable. | Aug 03 21:15 |
| MinceR | i guess life is just full of disappointments like that. | Aug 03 21:15 |
| MinceR | well yeah, "option" is a dirty word now | Aug 03 21:16 |
| MinceR | emperor lennart decides all your settings now | Aug 03 21:16 |
| oiaohm | journald does have binary logging off option. | Aug 03 21:16 |
| oiaohm | Only difference between journald and syslog-ng. | Aug 03 21:17 |
| MinceR | last time i checked all it had was the option to shit its logs into another syslogd | Aug 03 21:17 |
| MinceR | after thoroughly mangling them | Aug 03 21:17 |
| MinceR | that was the cancerd cult's excuse. | Aug 03 21:17 |
| oiaohm | is the journald is binary logging on by default and syslog-ng is binary login off by default. | Aug 03 21:17 |
| oiaohm | Both feature wise contain the same kind of crap. | Aug 03 21:17 |
| MinceR | i even seem to recall some bullshit from poettering about how it's impossible to do something systemd does with text logs | Aug 03 21:17 |
| oiaohm | syslog-ng can compact your complete logging directory into 1 file. | Aug 03 21:17 |
| MinceR | i can compact your complete logging directory into 1 file regardless of your logging daemon. | Aug 03 21:18 |
| MinceR | this isn't exactly rocket surgery | Aug 03 21:18 |
| oiaohm | written in a binary logging format. | Aug 03 21:18 |
| MinceR | mount -t ext3 bullshit.img /var/log/ | Aug 03 21:18 |
| MinceR | look, magic! | Aug 03 21:18 |
| oiaohm | No | Aug 03 21:18 |
| oiaohm | not like that. | Aug 03 21:18 |
| MinceR | oops, forgot -o loop | Aug 03 21:18 |
| oiaohm | No filesystem tricks MinceR | Aug 03 21:18 |
| MinceR | tar cjvvf bullshit.tar.bz2 /var/log/ | Aug 03 21:19 |
| oiaohm | Nop | Aug 03 21:19 |
| MinceR | yeah, no filesystem tricks needed | Aug 03 21:19 |
| oiaohm | not tar | Aug 03 21:19 |
| MinceR | cpio? | Aug 03 21:19 |
| oiaohm | No worse. | Aug 03 21:19 |
| MinceR | ar? | Aug 03 21:19 |
| oiaohm | sql database | Aug 03 21:19 |
| MinceR | ooh, now we're talking | Aug 03 21:19 |
| MinceR | oracle? m$sql? | Aug 03 21:19 |
| MinceR | m$ access? | Aug 03 21:20 |
| oiaohm | one option is sqllite | Aug 03 21:20 |
| oiaohm | Gess how that ends up. | Aug 03 21:20 |
| MinceR | but that's clearly not broken or evil enough | Aug 03 21:20 |
| MinceR | also, not expensive enough | Aug 03 21:20 |
| MinceR | my guess is that a sudden power outage means you can kiss your logs goodbye. | Aug 03 21:21 |
| oiaohm | Yep more way more insured than using journald binary logging. | Aug 03 21:22 |
| oiaohm | Yes journald binary logging is evil. But if you mess around with existing syslog deamon options there is worse. | Aug 03 21:23 |
| MinceR | optional evil can't be as bad as evil that's foisted on you. | Aug 03 21:24 |
| MinceR | especially of said optional evil isn't even the default. | Aug 03 21:25 |
| MinceR | s/of/if/ | Aug 03 21:25 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: http://blog.julien.cayzac.name/2008/03/using-sqlite-backend-for-syslogd.html | Aug 03 21:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.julien.cayzac.name | Using a sqlite backend for syslogd [ http://ur1.ca/ncil1 ] | Aug 03 21:26 | |
| oiaohm | This is 2008 MinceR | Aug 03 21:26 |
| MinceR | and it's not forced on you | Aug 03 21:26 |
| MinceR | you don't even have to like it | Aug 03 21:26 |
| MinceR | but if you dare say something bad about journald, the thought police comes for you | Aug 03 21:27 |
| oiaohm | Did you not notice there lack of consistancy. So you have like 5 admins setting up 5 different servers todo binary forms of Logging and they could all be completley incompadible with each other. | Aug 03 21:29 |
| oiaohm | There are reasons behind what journald has done. Could journald done it way better hell yes. | Aug 03 21:29 |
| MinceR | > By the time the change and the GR happened it was already too late for Debian... things were already evidently quite sick in Debian when gnome3 was made the default desktop for Wheezy. The reality was most sysadmin types stuck with Debian because it was less polluted then most other distrobutions and still allowed reasonable control over what software and daemons were installed. | Aug 03 21:30 |
| MinceR | > I did read a little while back a commentary that blamed the shift on vocal minority factions coming in and a tendancy for those vocal minorities to be the ones most oft seen and heard, and thus they gained a following because they were seen as being bright lights and visionaries and where charismatic so they won over hearts and minds of the geeky peers who liked their ears to be tickled and thought that they were doing great things for | Aug 03 21:30 |
| MinceR | > "social justice" and ushering the "year of the linux desktop". Sadly it was a fad, a political maneuvering, a duplicity that has taken a Distrobution once driven by passionate sys-admins and old school unix users and handed it to the new generation of developers and short sighted pragmatists, who valued prettiness over security and deterministic preciseness. | Aug 03 21:30 |
| MinceR | > Debian had already fallen long before systemd was set as the default init system. | Aug 03 21:30 |
| MinceR | yeah, how dare people in charge of administrating a system make decisions of their own? | Aug 03 21:31 |
| MinceR | everyone should be remotely controlled by redcrap | Aug 03 21:31 |
| oiaohm | It become a problem when working in a teams managing servers MinceR | Aug 03 21:31 |
| MinceR | so we can finally be united in a global and perfectly fascist empire! | Aug 03 21:31 |
| oiaohm | Everyone need to be on the same page. | Aug 03 21:31 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: and forcing shit on people is the only way to do that? | Aug 03 21:31 |
| oiaohm | Of course keeping the custom options would have been good. | Aug 03 21:32 |
| oiaohm | Providing a defined option that you could choose to use was required as well. | Aug 03 21:32 |
| MinceR | why not just hand root access to poettering and be guests on computers you're supposed to own? | Aug 03 21:32 |
| MinceR | or just hand it over directly to the nsa. | Aug 03 21:32 |
| oiaohm | You got to accept that poettering and others were trying to solve a set of problems. | Aug 03 21:32 |
| oiaohm | Just they have not done it very well. | Aug 03 21:33 |
| MinceR | this sort of idiotic, fascistic thinking is what is turning the world into an even worse hell nowadays. | Aug 03 21:33 |
| oiaohm | if they had done it well do you think I would be looking at openrc | Aug 03 21:33 |
| MinceR | this is what led to systemd, kdbus, uefi, intel boot guard, treacherous computing, DRM, crApple-style 'app store' models | Aug 03 21:33 |
| MinceR | this is what led to the clipper chip | Aug 03 21:33 |
| MinceR | this is what led to total global surveillance | Aug 03 21:33 |
| oiaohm | bios level rootkits existed before systemd. | Aug 03 21:34 |
| MinceR | in your blind, unthinking quest for perfect conformity, you've given up all your rights and freedoms. | Aug 03 21:34 |
| oiaohm | I understand to have freedom I will need the complete source of the system I am using. | Aug 03 21:34 |
| oiaohm | There are so many places to place a backdoor in existing systems it not funny. | Aug 03 21:35 |
| MinceR | yet you defend an undocumented hairball. | Aug 03 21:35 |
| MinceR | systemd is the best place for backdoors until the nsa manages to take over the kernel | Aug 03 21:35 |
| MinceR | (probably via kdbus) | Aug 03 21:35 |
| oiaohm | That is the funny thing when I went to see if systemd was undocumented I found it has a huge ammount of documentation. | Aug 03 21:35 |
| oiaohm | Systemd is more documented than the Linux kernel. | Aug 03 21:36 |
| oiaohm | In fact on operation is more documented than most sysvinit solutions distrobutions used. | Aug 03 21:36 |
| MinceR | you must have been looking at a different source code than i was. | Aug 03 21:37 |
| MinceR | i guess they have a secret copy with comments in it that they only show to the initiated. | Aug 03 21:37 |
| oiaohm | I went looking for documentation not the source code. | Aug 03 21:37 |
| MinceR | yeah, it's not like you can or should document the code itself | Aug 03 21:37 |
| oiaohm | I will say the source code comments in systemd need a lot better quality. | Aug 03 21:37 |
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| MinceR | anything between /* and */ is just line noise in c code. | Aug 03 21:37 |
| oiaohm | But so do the source code comments in the Linux kernel. | Aug 03 21:37 |
| MinceR | also, i wonder what's in the Documentation/ directory in the kernel sources | Aug 03 21:38 |
| MinceR | the name isn't ringing a bell... | Aug 03 21:38 |
| MinceR | somehow, it evades me. | Aug 03 21:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: most of the documetentation in the Documentation directory in the Linux kernel is not inline with the source version. | Aug 03 21:38 |
| oiaohm | That is something where the systemd documentation is ahead. | Aug 03 21:39 |
| oiaohm | FOSS project and poor documentation is unfortantly not new. | Aug 03 21:39 |
| MinceR | well that's fine, if someone did something wrong somewhere, systemd must copy it. | Aug 03 21:40 |
| MinceR | just like the hungarian "constitution" written by the nazis | Aug 03 21:40 |
| MinceR | (at least they claimed that every stupid thing was copied from some other constitution somewhere) | Aug 03 21:40 |
| oiaohm | Most constitution documents contain fragement from others. | Aug 03 21:41 |
| oiaohm | Mostly not great. | Aug 03 21:41 |
| oiaohm | You have to remember Linux kernel started off as a project to make a cheap posix os. | Aug 03 21:42 |
| oiaohm | Linux world copying others is not new either. | Aug 03 21:42 |
| MinceR | yeah, but it used to be much better | Aug 03 21:42 |
| MinceR | they used to copy good ideas from unix | Aug 03 21:43 |
| oiaohm | Not always better | Aug 03 21:43 |
| MinceR | now they copy bad ideas from windows | Aug 03 21:43 |
| oiaohm | They also copied some of the bad ideas from bad unix instead of following bsd | Aug 03 21:43 |
| MinceR | gnu/linux used to be mostly reliable, except for broken drivers | Aug 03 21:43 |
| oiaohm | Like using PID to track processes instead of TTY | Aug 03 21:43 |
| MinceR | now we have stuff like udisks2 mysteriously dying with the documentation saying nothing about how to fix that. | Aug 03 21:43 |
| MinceR | and systemd adds even more mysterious bugs. | Aug 03 21:43 |
| MinceR | yeah, you keep harping about PID files | Aug 03 21:44 |
| MinceR | yet i have yet to see any issue from that. | Aug 03 21:44 |
| oiaohm | udisks2 issues I will give you are hard to debug. | Aug 03 21:44 |
| MinceR | especially since the man page says it will be started when needed | Aug 03 21:45 |
| MinceR | which is a lie. | Aug 03 21:45 |
| MinceR | we also have networkmanager, which is also an unreliable piece of shit | Aug 03 21:46 |
| oiaohm | What is the commonality here. | Aug 03 21:46 |
| oiaohm | What is meant to start udisk2 on demard. | Aug 03 21:46 |
| MinceR | nautilus or something nautilus uses | Aug 03 21:47 |
| oiaohm | There is one part you need to be looking at with very much evil MinceR | Aug 03 21:47 |
| oiaohm | Most of the current failures you follow them back to dbus server issues. | Aug 03 21:48 |
| MinceR | of course. | Aug 03 21:48 |
| oiaohm | That is becaise dbus was designed around the wrong idea of sending data between processes in ways kernel cannot assist with. | Aug 03 21:48 |
| MinceR | dbus was designed by a windows fanboy | Aug 03 21:49 |
| MinceR | it is not meant to be restarted, you're supposed to reboot | Aug 03 21:49 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: kinda true. | Aug 03 21:49 |
| MinceR | such crap doesn't belong on a server or a workstation. | Aug 03 21:49 |
| MinceR | back in the day gnu/linux wasn't built on toys like dbus. | Aug 03 21:49 |
| oiaohm | Before dbus there were hald issues. | Aug 03 21:50 |
| oiaohm | and sound servers fighting with each other. | Aug 03 21:50 |
| oiaohm | Applications for different graphical envornments not working with each other. | Aug 03 21:50 |
| MinceR | i didn't have issues with sound servers before pulseaudio reared its ugly head | Aug 03 21:51 |
| oiaohm | I had esound and artsd cat fight. | Aug 03 21:51 |
| MinceR | but that was probably because my sound card driver did hardware mixing of stuff sent to /dev/dsp | Aug 03 21:51 |
| oiaohm | before pulseaudio | Aug 03 21:51 |
| oiaohm | Since I run a mix of kde and gnome applications. | Aug 03 21:51 |
| MinceR | i did that too | Aug 03 21:52 |
| oiaohm | So one application would want esound and one would want artsd | Aug 03 21:52 |
| oiaohm | So then they would nicely fail. | Aug 03 21:52 |
| MinceR | most applications didn't want either if you set them up to stay quiet | Aug 03 21:52 |
| MinceR | i had no need for silly sound effects | Aug 03 21:52 |
| oiaohm | I was using different tools to do audio work at the time MinceR | Aug 03 21:53 |
| MinceR | i didn't do much audio work | Aug 03 21:53 |
| oiaohm | So I suffered where you did not MinceR | Aug 03 21:53 |
| oiaohm | The Linux would has not been great. | Aug 03 21:54 |
| oiaohm | Broken dbus is not helpping. | Aug 03 21:54 |
| oiaohm | We need something like dbus that works. | Aug 03 21:54 |
| oiaohm | And that everyone agrees to use. | Aug 03 21:54 |
| MinceR | that last bit won't happen | Aug 03 21:54 |
| MinceR | redcrap will insist on forcing some broken crap on everyone | Aug 03 21:55 |
| MinceR | be it dbus, kdbus or some other piece of shit they come up with | Aug 03 21:55 |
| MinceR | (and most likely build into the kernel or into systemd, or both) | Aug 03 21:55 |
| oiaohm | kdbus going up against kernel developers will see it way more audited than dbus ever was. | Aug 03 21:55 |
| MinceR | if that enormous tumor can be audited at all, that is | Aug 03 21:56 |
| MinceR | and it's kind of pointless anyway, since that obviously doesn't belong in the kernel | Aug 03 21:56 |
| oiaohm | So I see kdbus as best chance of some decent. Like linus demarding that for speed compared dbus has to be fixed. | Aug 03 21:56 |
| MinceR | if it goes in, something has already gone wrong. | Aug 03 21:56 |
| oiaohm | So kdbus even if kdbus fails to be included in the Linux kernel the down force from it will see default dbus improve. | Aug 03 21:56 |
| MinceR | i haven't heard of dbus being improved at all after Linus profiled it and told them to fix their shit | Aug 03 21:57 |
| MinceR | like spoiled children, they keep on forcing kdbus | Aug 03 21:57 |
| MinceR | http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1506.2/03764.html | Aug 03 21:57 |
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| oiaohm | If you look a dbus source tree there have been many patches since linux told them to fix their shit. | Aug 03 21:57 |
| MinceR | "kdbus support is no longer compile-time optional" | Aug 03 21:57 |
| MinceR | this attitude has to die | Aug 03 21:58 |
| MinceR | if it doesn't, the kernel will. | Aug 03 21:58 |
| oiaohm | That is not new. | Aug 03 21:58 |
| oiaohm | like kdm probing for 8 different login solutions without switches. | Aug 03 21:58 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter how old it is, it's extremely toxic. | Aug 03 21:58 |
| oiaohm | We are dealing with the desktop envornment developers here. | Aug 03 21:59 |
| MinceR | as usual, redcrap is abusing their leverage. | Aug 03 21:59 |
| oiaohm | Way of doing things. | Aug 03 21:59 |
| MinceR | and not only that, they're forcing the api to be set in stone. | Aug 03 21:59 |
| oiaohm | Make it not optional and probe for it at runtime. | Aug 03 21:59 |
| MinceR | so it can't be fixed now. | Aug 03 21:59 |
| MinceR | redcrap management must be made to understand that the linux project is not their corporate garbage dump | Aug 03 22:00 |
| MinceR | otherwise it will be their corporate garbage dump | Aug 03 22:00 |
| MinceR | and before you know it, it will be another windows nt kernel. | Aug 03 22:00 |
| MinceR | these retards think of "throw it into the kernel!" as item number one when it comes to performance issues. | Aug 03 22:00 |
| MinceR | just like the retards at microsoft. | Aug 03 22:01 |
| oiaohm | Yet you use performance issues in Linux kernel world benchmarks done properly are required. | Aug 03 22:01 |
| oiaohm | And if that shows other issues you are ordered to fix those first. | Aug 03 22:01 |
| MinceR | or the kernel will have to be forked, but that would need enough developers to keep the project alive | Aug 03 22:01 |
| MinceR | otherwise we might as well move to netbsd and openbsd. | Aug 03 22:01 |
| oiaohm | Really its been good they have attempted to go into the Linux kernel. | Aug 03 22:02 |
| oiaohm | it triggered back presure. | Aug 03 22:02 |
| MinceR | redcrap did not do benchmarks properly. | Aug 03 22:02 |
| oiaohm | Yep and the Linux kernel developers called them out on it. | Aug 03 22:02 |
| MinceR | and if they have to have Linus tell them how to do software engineering, then there's no hope they'll do software engineering properly | Aug 03 22:02 |
| oiaohm | I don't see kdbus process as a bad thing. | Aug 03 22:02 |
| MinceR | they should find a career they can do well at | Aug 03 22:02 |
| MinceR | they could try becoming biofuel, for example. | Aug 03 22:02 |
| MinceR | that doesn't need a level of mental acuity they clearly don't have | Aug 03 22:03 |
| oiaohm | dbus need to run into some group who would say no. | Aug 03 22:03 |
| MinceR | i think the kdbus "process" shows that the redcrap people are utterly retarded and have absolutely no clue about software engineering | Aug 03 22:03 |
| MinceR | then again, we've seen that in systemd too | Aug 03 22:03 |
| oiaohm | Not all redhat personal are shit. | Aug 03 22:04 |
| MinceR | also, what the fuck are they thinking sending >512kB messages via dbus? | Aug 03 22:04 |
| oiaohm | the kdbus veto on performance test not being done proprerly was documented by a redhat developer to linus. | Aug 03 22:04 |
| MinceR | Linus isn't going to babysit them and hold their hands through software engineering 101. | Aug 03 22:05 |
| oiaohm | Some redhat staff need to be kicked hard. | Aug 03 22:05 |
| MinceR | so does the management. | Aug 03 22:05 |
| oiaohm | Yep the ones who should be doing the kicking. | Aug 03 22:05 |
| oiaohm | Please not lump all of them in with that. MinceR | Aug 03 22:05 |
| oiaohm | Some of the staff at redhat are good. | Aug 03 22:06 |
| MinceR | the ones who think it's acceptable to turn against their userbase and the developers whose work they've profited off. | Aug 03 22:06 |
| MinceR | it seems the good ones have no power. | Aug 03 22:06 |
| oiaohm | They do have enough power they don't get fired or harmed for vetoing stuff on Linux mailing lists. | Aug 03 22:06 |
| oiaohm | But I would like to see them have more power. | Aug 03 22:07 |
| MinceR | that's obviously not enough. | Aug 03 22:07 |
| MinceR | how many distros have to be killed before the madmen are stopped? | Aug 03 22:07 |
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| oiaohm | For number of developers to maintain distrobutions vs number of distributions we have had a problem for a long time. | Aug 03 22:08 |
| oiaohm | There have been a lot of 1 developer distrobutions. | Aug 03 22:08 |
| MinceR | we have? | Aug 03 22:08 |
| MinceR | why does that hurt you? | Aug 03 22:08 |
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| oiaohm | so for those distrobutions to get secuirty updates MinceR | Aug 03 22:08 |
| MinceR | i know at least one (close to) 1 developer distro that's worth a million redcrap distros. | Aug 03 22:08 |
| MinceR | they'll still be more secure than the systemd/Linux distros. | Aug 03 22:09 |
| oiaohm | We have need the number of distrobutions to reduce. | Aug 03 22:09 |
| MinceR | we already have. | Aug 03 22:09 |
| oiaohm | So a distrobutions are like teams of 5 | Aug 03 22:09 |
| oiaohm | min | Aug 03 22:09 |
| MinceR | mageia, opensuse, arch, coreos, sles, ubuntu and debian are already as good as dead. | Aug 03 22:09 |
| MinceR | how many more need to die? | Aug 03 22:10 |
| oiaohm | debian is not dead. | Aug 03 22:10 |
| MinceR | yes it is. | Aug 03 22:10 |
| MinceR | it has already failed at all of the things it stood for. | Aug 03 22:10 |
| MinceR | it's not universal, it's not stable and it's not independent from redcrap. | Aug 03 22:10 |
| MinceR | debian gnu/hurd and debian gnu/kfreebsd are dead. | Aug 03 22:11 |
| MinceR | they dropped an architecture recently. | Aug 03 22:11 |
| MinceR | their governance is a joke. | Aug 03 22:11 |
| MinceR | their mailing lists are heavily censored. | Aug 03 22:11 |
| MinceR | and the gnome project has played with them like a marionette for a while now. | Aug 03 22:11 |
| oiaohm | The one architecture they dropped recently is the test hardware died. | Aug 03 22:12 |
| MinceR | maybe they should have asked redcrap for a replacement, then | Aug 03 22:12 |
| oiaohm | No point maintaining a branch you cannot test. | Aug 03 22:12 |
| MinceR | it's the least those toxic assholes could do. | Aug 03 22:12 |
| MinceR | that's interesting, redcrap, m$ and crApple happily release untested products | Aug 03 22:12 |
| MinceR | and debian happily ignored all experience with systemd and forced it on their users. | Aug 03 22:12 |
| MinceR | so it's not like they were doing anything with the results of the tests. | Aug 03 22:13 |
| MinceR | oh, i almost forgot | Aug 03 22:13 |
| MinceR | debian is also not free | Aug 03 22:13 |
| MinceR | the default gui install depends on mono | Aug 03 22:13 |
| MinceR | and it also depends on systemd. | Aug 03 22:13 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: have you not installed debain in default GUI install mode recnetly. | Aug 03 22:15 |
| MinceR | i have not | Aug 03 22:15 |
| MinceR | but they still insist on using gnome by default | Aug 03 22:15 |
| oiaohm | My my recent install of debian testing default GUI does not have mono installed. | Aug 03 22:15 |
| MinceR | because they've got to have the worst DE available | Aug 03 22:15 |
| oiaohm | Even that gnome is installed. | Aug 03 22:15 |
| MinceR | and tomboy is still a default gnome component | Aug 03 22:15 |
| MinceR | they almost caught a clue and switched to xfce twive | Aug 03 22:16 |
| MinceR | s/ive/ice/ | Aug 03 22:16 |
| MinceR | but no, they have to insist on shitty gnome | Aug 03 22:16 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: tomboy is optional in debian packages. | Aug 03 22:16 |
| MinceR | i don't use testing ot sid. | Aug 03 22:16 |
| MinceR | i use what they call "stable" | Aug 03 22:16 |
| oiaohm | AT least in testing | Aug 03 22:16 |
| MinceR | which was stable until jessie came out. | Aug 03 22:16 |
| MinceR | now it's just old. | Aug 03 22:16 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i know it's optional, but every time i tried apt/dpkg satisfied the dependency with tomboy, not gnote | Aug 03 22:17 |
| MinceR | and tomboy brought in mono. | Aug 03 22:17 |
| MinceR | which is baffling, for all the posturing about free software. | Aug 03 22:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I can tell in testing. | Aug 03 22:17 |
| oiaohm | both tomboy and gnote are optional. | Aug 03 22:17 |
| MinceR | one would think they'd avoid pushing their users into the m$ patent trap, but no | Aug 03 22:18 |
| oiaohm | in call cases. | Aug 03 22:18 |
| oiaohm | Because enough users complained about it MinceR | Aug 03 22:18 |
| MinceR | not soon enough. | Aug 03 22:18 |
| oiaohm | I have not checked the latest stable. | Aug 03 22:18 |
| oiaohm | I think that was backported. | Aug 03 22:18 |
| MinceR | their final stable (not "stable") release, wheezy, still has this problem. | Aug 03 22:18 |
| oiaohm | Ok so you were not to jessie | Aug 03 22:19 |
| MinceR | why would i? | Aug 03 22:20 |
| MinceR | the whole point of using debian was a stable os | Aug 03 22:20 |
| MinceR | not this unreliable winblows clone called systemd. | Aug 03 22:20 |
| MinceR | if i wanted an os that couldn't even boot reliably, i'd use reactos. | Aug 03 22:21 |
| MinceR | or windows. | Aug 03 22:21 |
| oiaohm | Its optional in jessie | Aug 03 22:21 |
| MinceR | oh, sure | Aug 03 22:21 |
| MinceR | if you don't mind being unable to install most of the packages in the repo | Aug 03 22:21 |
| MinceR | stuff like gimp and cups | Aug 03 22:21 |
| MinceR | who needs those, right? | Aug 03 22:22 |
| oiaohm | Not true. | Aug 03 22:23 |
| oiaohm | gimp and cups installs without mono. | Aug 03 22:23 |
| MinceR | oh, i thought you meant systemd was "optional" | Aug 03 22:23 |
| oiaohm | Sorry I missed you systemd stuff I was refering to tomboy. | Aug 03 22:23 |
| MinceR | yeah, i could get around the dependency on mono, but the point is i shouldn't have to | Aug 03 22:23 |
| oiaohm | even the last releases of wheezy switch tomboy and other mono applications back to optional. | Aug 03 22:24 |
| oiaohm | So that fault was fixed MinceR | Aug 03 22:24 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: but I do agree it should not have happened in the first place. | Aug 03 22:25 |
| MinceR | so what do they install by default? | Aug 03 22:25 |
| oiaohm | Using updated installers they don't. | Aug 03 22:25 |
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| oiaohm | They are no longer in the default task list packaged for the desktop MinceR | Aug 03 22:26 |
| oiaohm | Now you only get them if you have used an old version of that. | Aug 03 22:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: not all these problems last for ever. | Aug 03 22:26 |
| MinceR | yeah, once redcrap kills gnu/linux, these problems go away | Aug 03 22:26 |
| MinceR | especially if they also manage to kill *bsd. | Aug 03 22:27 |
| MinceR | haiku has already committed seppuku | Aug 03 22:27 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly sure of that. | Aug 03 22:27 |
| oiaohm | beos contained something a lot like systemd | Aug 03 22:27 |
| oiaohm | I want to see how haiku end up implementing it. | Aug 03 22:28 |
| MinceR | apparently they're going from a script taking care of boot to an opaque binary doing it | Aug 03 22:28 |
| oiaohm | beos used binary start not script. | Aug 03 22:29 |
| MinceR | shell scripts are apparently heresy in haiku too, not just on gnu/linux | Aug 03 22:29 |
| MinceR | haiku is not beos. | Aug 03 22:29 |
| oiaohm | haiku is a reimplementation of beos | Aug 03 22:29 |
| MinceR | i know | Aug 03 22:30 |
| oiaohm | beos service manager was good. | Aug 03 22:30 |
| oiaohm | Way better than windows or smf | Aug 03 22:30 |
| MinceR | coming from you, that hardly means anything | Aug 03 22:30 |
| oiaohm | Please note windows service manager I can find design flaws worse than anything. | Aug 03 22:31 |
| oiaohm | SMF from solarias its control interfaces are horible at times. | Aug 03 22:31 |
| MinceR | i'm sure with time systemd will adopt all of them. | Aug 03 22:31 |
| oiaohm | Some of Windows design flaws are impossible due to systemd using cgroups the way it does. | Aug 03 22:31 |
| oiaohm | So systemd will never adopt all the windows flaws. | Aug 03 22:32 |
| MinceR | i trust they'll find a way | Aug 03 22:32 |
| oiaohm | No | Aug 03 22:32 |
| oiaohm | systemd has already made some of it own unique. | Aug 03 22:32 |
| MinceR | they've shown remarkable capability when it comes to fucking up. | Aug 03 22:32 |
| oiaohm | History of systemd copying I would not say we have to worry about them taking the errors from Windows. | Aug 03 22:33 |
| MinceR | it's a pity they're not interested in doing anythng else | Aug 03 22:33 |
| oiaohm | We have to worry about them taking stuff from Linux desktop envornments that are not properly audited and 100 percent depending on it. | Aug 03 22:33 |
| oiaohm | Ie DBUS to start off with. | Aug 03 22:33 |
| oiaohm | Basically you have the idea that systemd disater is coming from copying Windows. | Aug 03 22:35 |
| oiaohm | Most of systemd disaster comes from copying solaris.... Yet not making sure everything has solid foundations. | Aug 03 22:36 |
| MinceR | yet slowlaris doesn't do service management as pid1, it uses plain old init | Aug 03 22:37 |
| oiaohm | Like how many recent pulseaudio screw ups is that it depends on dbus to work so when it failed it end up loading twice. | Aug 03 22:37 |
| MinceR | i don't know if slowlaris does something like journald | Aug 03 22:37 |
| MinceR | or logind | Aug 03 22:37 |
| oiaohm | SMF starts in PID1 | Aug 03 22:37 |
| MinceR | that's not what i saw | Aug 03 22:37 |
| oiaohm | Depends on what version solaris MinceR | Aug 03 22:37 |
| MinceR | i saw an inittab instructing init to start and respawn SMF | Aug 03 22:37 |
| oiaohm | You can script start solaris. | Aug 03 22:37 |
| oiaohm | Or SMF start solaris. | Aug 03 22:38 |
| MinceR | so slowlaris went and fucked this up? | Aug 03 22:38 |
| oiaohm | SMF also contains a login manager. | Aug 03 22:38 |
| oiaohm | Yep solaris was first to do init and login manager as one solution. | Aug 03 22:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: windows does not even do that. | Aug 03 22:39 |
| oiaohm | This is my problem with you go systemd copying windows. That does not add up things they have copied are not from Windows. | Aug 03 22:39 |
| MinceR | does slowlaris also have binary logging? | Aug 03 22:42 |
| oiaohm | as option yes | Aug 03 22:42 |
| oiaohm | on by default in hardered solarias | Aug 03 22:42 |
| oiaohm | The perfect list of features is hardered solaris. | Aug 03 22:42 |
| oiaohm | SMF uses one of solaris own IPC in kernel. | Aug 03 22:43 |
| oiaohm | Yet systemd attempted to get by with a userspace IPC. | Aug 03 22:44 |
| MinceR | lol, "hardened" | Aug 03 22:44 |
| MinceR | no wonder slowlaris has a bad reputation | Aug 03 22:44 |
| oiaohm | But hardered solaris feature list is placed on governement supply contracts. | Aug 03 22:45 |
| oiaohm | I can see where redhat is coming from. | Aug 03 22:46 |
| oiaohm | They want to win more contracts. | Aug 03 22:46 |
| oiaohm | This is pushing some stupidity our direction. | Aug 03 22:46 |
| MinceR | then they should make the stuff the idiots in the government want | Aug 03 22:48 |
| MinceR | instead of killing other distros | Aug 03 22:48 |
| MinceR | and instead of poisoning gnu and linux | Aug 03 22:48 |
| MinceR | they should fork linux if they don't like its design | Aug 03 22:49 |
| MinceR | then they could put kdbus and whatever else in systemd-kernel | Aug 03 22:49 |
| MinceR | but no, they have to poison the well | Aug 03 22:49 |
| MinceR | they have to try and kill every free unix they have leverage on | Aug 03 22:49 |
| oiaohm | Now you are complain the right way. | Aug 03 22:50 |
| oiaohm | You had your complete base of source of problem wrong. | Aug 03 22:51 |
| oiaohm | But the problem you have here is what governements use they have a habit of insisting there citizens and companies use. | Aug 03 22:52 |
| oiaohm | Yes they have todo what government wants to a point. But we need it to be quality workman ship not slipshot like systemd has been and worrying about fixing up the issues latter. | Aug 03 22:53 |
| MinceR | the government doesn't want quality worksmanship | Aug 03 22:53 |
| MinceR | they want shitty systemd they can easily break into | Aug 03 22:53 |
| MinceR | they never think about the security of their own systems | Aug 03 22:54 |
| MinceR | they especially never think about the security of their own citizens | Aug 03 22:54 |
| MinceR | the nsa does jack shit to protect their own citizens | Aug 03 22:54 |
| MinceR | all they ever do is destroy | Aug 03 22:54 |
| oiaohm | Not me to a point. | Aug 03 22:55 |
| oiaohm | We need higher standards than what the government will ask for. | Aug 03 22:55 |
| MinceR | we do | Aug 03 22:55 |
| MinceR | redcrap won't ever. | Aug 03 22:55 |
| oiaohm | But we need to still do enough that the governement is use a form of our solution so we don't have compadilbity problems. | Aug 03 22:55 |
| MinceR | hackers making stuff for their own use do have high standards | Aug 03 22:56 |
| MinceR | that's what free software was built on | Aug 03 22:56 |
| MinceR | now it's being taken over by a company that doesn't care | Aug 03 22:56 |
| oiaohm | Its not a simple balancing act. | Aug 03 22:56 |
| MinceR | all they care about is appeasing their clients and especially a government that wants our systems to be broken. | Aug 03 22:56 |
| oiaohm | So we need more of redhat clients to ask for quality. | Aug 03 22:57 |
| oiaohm | To put presure on them. | Aug 03 22:57 |
| MinceR | we can't | Aug 03 22:57 |
| MinceR | corporate clients don't want quality, they love their m$ and crApple garbage | Aug 03 22:57 |
| oiaohm | And we need to not be a shot gun in our error complaints. | Aug 03 22:57 |
| MinceR | most customers are morons with no brains but lots of money | Aug 03 22:57 |
| oiaohm | like how many idividual faults track back to dbus. | Aug 03 22:57 |
| MinceR | that's why the IT industry is in its current state | Aug 03 22:57 |
| MinceR | that's why our mobile devices are shit | Aug 03 22:57 |
| oiaohm | Yet people talk about them as individual faults. | Aug 03 22:57 |
| MinceR | that's why the general purpose computer is dying out | Aug 03 22:58 |
| MinceR | that's why soon we'll have IoT devices acting as spam/DDoS zombies | Aug 03 22:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Find The Perfect Linux-Compatible PC With Ubuntu's Hardware Database | Tux Machines | Aug 03 23:03 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Lumina Desktop 0.8.6 Released! | Aug 03 23:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/kxjaonyQYG (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 03 23:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Lumina Desktop 0.8.6 Released! | Tux Machines | Aug 03 23:03 | |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Aug 03 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | Just now · | Aug 03 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | Green Day's "21 Guns" was ruined for me forever by that Transformers movie. | Aug 03 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | "Man, they're really getting their money's worth out of that song, aren't they? Isn't this the eighth time they played it? I'm in for the duration. Maybe another XBOX 360 will come to life and kill everyone." | Aug 03 23:16 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Aug 03 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | Just now · | Aug 03 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | The first firmware malware for Apple computers came out a long time ago. It's called iOS. | Aug 03 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | http://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-first-firmware-worm-for-mac-is-here-and-it-1721740928 | Aug 03 23:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gizmodo.com | The World's First Firmware Worm for Mac Is Here, and It Sounds Scary [ http://ur1.ca/ncjje ] | Aug 03 23:39 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/07/26/to-weed-out-protesters-at-last-nights-event-the-satanic-temple-had-attendees-transfer-their-souls-to-satan/ | Aug 03 23:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patheos.com | To Weed Out Protesters at Last Night’s Event, The Satanic Temple Had Attendees Transfer Their Souls to Satan [ http://ur1.ca/ncjmb ] | Aug 03 23:52 | |
| DaemonFC | I saw a thing on 4chan a while back. "I'm a Satanist. Ask me anything!". | Aug 03 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | First reply: "So, how is the eighth grade going?" | Aug 03 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.jwz.org/blog/2015/07/javascript-locking-and-sound-brought-to-you-by-the-letters-w-t-and-f/ | Aug 04 00:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jwz.org | jwz: Javascript, locking and sound, brought to you by the letters W, T and F [ http://ur1.ca/ncjrm ] | Aug 04 00:14 | |
| DaemonFC | "Oh, and speaking of sound: on iOS, you flat-out cannot play sound unless somewhere higher up on the call stack is a touch gesture. Asynchronous sounds can't be done using the HTML5 audio tag, because... Apple are dicks, I guess? I'm gonna go with that. So apparently there's a newer and completely separate audio interface with a way more convoluted API, and maybe that one works on iOS? But I haven't investigated, having at that point run | Aug 04 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | out of fucks due to the fact that I was starting to have ALSA versus OSS flashbacks and expecting it to tell me my EMU10K1 PCM setting was wrong." | Aug 04 00:14 |
| msb__ | "<oiaohm> Reality diversity in Linux Distrobutions has not existed properly for a long time." Not good, because nearly-identical distros will be subject to the same attacks, technical or political. "WellKnownOS was used to set off bomb that killed 100 people. It is now permanently banned." | Aug 04 00:44 |
| msb__ | Just like identical crops will fall to the same fungus. | Aug 04 00:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GParted 0.23.0 Open Source Partition Editor | Aug 04 01:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Adds Support for Setting New Btrfs UUID | Aug 04 01:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/zlTK3Wxfue (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 01:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GParted 0.23.0 Open Source Partition Editor Adds Support for Setting New Btrfs UUID | Tux Machines | Aug 04 01:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Manjaro Community Proudly Presents The Release | Aug 04 01:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of Manjaro Linux 0.8.13.1 i3 Edition | Aug 04 01:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/i0v9zenOnX (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 01:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Manjaro Community Proudly Presents The Release of Manjaro Linux 0.8.13.1 i3 Edition | Tux Machines | Aug 04 01:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.10.85 LTS Brings Refinements to | Aug 04 01:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | EXT4, Btrfs, ARM, and XFS, Updated Drivers | Aug 04 01:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/1grYZcwztv (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 01:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel 3.10.85 LTS Brings Refinements to EXT4, Btrfs, ARM, and XFS, Updated Drivers | Tux Machines | Aug 04 01:08 | |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJxSP3LC9BA | Aug 04 01:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Little Nicky - Chicago played backwards - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nckbp ] | Aug 04 01:37 | |
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| schestowitz | "The silence at SUEPO is probably related to the summer holiday break in Munich (schools closed and people gone away on vacation etc.). So we guess that things are likely to be relatively quiet until September." | Aug 04 02:26 |
| schestowitz | -source | Aug 04 02:26 |
| schestowitz | "As far as we know, none of your sources have been compromised and we haven't heard anyone complaining about TechRights (apart from EPO management that is)." | Aug 04 02:26 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/aug/04/escaped-minion-stops-traffic-in-dublin | Aug 04 02:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Escaped Minion stops traffic in Dublin | Film | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/nckv1 ] | Aug 04 02:51 | |
| DaemonFC | Banana!!!!! | Aug 04 02:51 |
| oiaohm | Could be worse DaemonFC | Aug 04 03:01 |
| oiaohm | I have to log out at some point to find what section of KDE plasma 5 is not closing again to make bug report. | Aug 04 03:02 |
| oiaohm | Found why I could not use vdpua under plasma its a run away part. | Aug 04 03:02 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android M news: Release date delayed, to come | Aug 04 04:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | out in September or October? | Aug 04 04:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/uoysEuiO20 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 04:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android M news: Release date delayed, to come out in September or October? | Tux Machines | Aug 04 04:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Review of Ubuntu Phone – A Work Still Under | Aug 04 04:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Progress http://t.co/7FNQ4Z7g8m | Aug 04 04:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 04:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Review of Ubuntu Phone – A Work Still Under Progress | Tux Machines | Aug 04 04:06 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New Linux Gaming Survey For August | Aug 04 04:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/RAE2kqlEJ4 (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 04 04:37 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Linux Port Of Arma 3 Is "Promising" | Aug 04 04:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/REsfwLGRfy (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 04 04:37 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 'Secure' Boot — Fedora, RHEL, and Shim Upstream | Aug 04 04:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Maintenance http://t.co/2wOJ7Kq2U7 | Aug 04 04:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (blog.uncooperative.org) | Aug 04 04:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | The Linux Port Of Arma 3 Is "Promising" | GamingOnLinux | Aug 04 04:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.uncooperative.org | Secure Boot — Fedora, RHEL, and Shim Upstream Maintenance: Government Involvement or Lack Thereof - The Uncoöperative Organization | Aug 04 04:39 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Review of Ubuntu Phone – A Work Still Under | Aug 04 04:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Progress | Aug 04 04:53 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @Cipherhouse retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Review of Ubuntu Phone – A Work Still...' | Aug 04 04:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Stable kernel updates http://t.co/qI9NXYUj59 | Aug 04 04:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (lwn.net) http://t.co/pFmjUEFG4m | Aug 04 04:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) http://t.co/JNrAIhUpfo | Aug 04 04:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://mobilemag.com/2015/08/04/review-of-ubuntu-phone-a-work-still-under-progress/ ) | Aug 04 04:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lwn.net | Stable kernel updates [LWN.net] | Aug 04 04:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 3.14.49 LTS Has ARM64 and EXT4 Improvements, Many Updated Drivers - Softpedia | Aug 04 04:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 3.10.85 LTS Brings Refinements to EXT4, Btrfs, ARM, and XFS, Updated Drivers - Softpedia | Aug 04 04:54 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.engadget.com/2015/08/04/acer-aspire-one-cloudbook/ | Aug 04 05:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com | Acer Aspire One Cloudbook gives you a full Windows laptop for $169 [ http://ur1.ca/nclq8 ] | Aug 04 05:09 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @fatimahkabba favourited 'Stable kernel updates http://t.co/qI9NXYUj59 http://t.co/pFmjUEFG4m http://t.co/JNrAIhUpfo' | Aug 04 05:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AH Primetime: Bloatware? Android Fights Back | Aug 04 05:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | With Motorola | Aug 04 05:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/G8RiNMBFwe | Aug 04 05:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidheadlines.com | AH Primetime: Bloatware? Android Fights Back With Motorola | Androidheadlines.com | Aug 04 05:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.androidheadlines.com) | Aug 04 05:24 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines red hat CEO props up "cloud computing" | Aug 04 05:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/zWn5lQyjSE | Aug 04 05:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (upstart.bizjournals.com) | Aug 04 05:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-upstart.bizjournals.com | For Raleigh’s largest public company, Red Hat, future growth hangs in the cloud | Aug 04 05:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/cIHv4HWYJW (wraltechwire.com) | Aug 04 05:25 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wraltechwire.com | Red Hat's Whitehurst takes stage Aug 27; more regional events fill tech calendar :: Editor's Blog at WRAL TechWire | Aug 04 05:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Yesterday and Today in Techrights | Aug 04 05:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/q2PIgiycTY (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 05:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Yesterday and Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Aug 04 05:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "I'm giving a short update on how my works on | Aug 04 05:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Getting Things GNOME! have been progressing | Aug 04 05:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | recently." http://t.co/UoKC9kcOMj | Aug 04 05:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.jakubbrindza.com) | Aug 04 05:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jakubbrindza.com | How I am Getting Things GNOME!: More tests, locale, and timezones. Last week in a nutshell. | Aug 04 05:36 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Best new widgets for Android (August 2015) | Aug 04 05:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Vu8ivL5xXj (www.phonearena.com) | Aug 04 05:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phonearena.com | Best new widgets for Android (August 2015) | Aug 04 05:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Parrot says you won’t be able to buy its new | Aug 04 05:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android Auto system as aftermarket product | Aug 04 05:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | after all http://t.co/NFDJXkGJ91 | Aug 04 05:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-9to5google.com | Parrot says you won’t be able to buy its new Android Auto system as aftermarket product after all | 9to5Google | Aug 04 05:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (9to5google.com) | Aug 04 05:36 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6424230 | Aug 04 05:40 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 04 05:40 |
| schestowitz | I can´t believe it. | Aug 04 05:40 |
| schestowitz | really? | Aug 04 05:40 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 04 05:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #vista10 not even a 'free' 'upgrade'... if you upgrade http://imgur.com/gallery/8OJ4t | Aug 04 05:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> imgur.com | Microsoft 10 will not permit re-installation if any hardware changes - Album on Imgur | Aug 04 05:40 | |
| schestowitz | Seems so. http://techrights.org/2015/08/04/cannot-upgrade-windows-10/ | Aug 04 05:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Admits Vista 10 Not a ‘Free’ ‘Upgrade’, Especially If You Upgrade | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/ncm0b ] | Aug 04 05:41 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, You can change hardware. | Aug 04 05:51 |
| DaemonFC | If the base OS license (the one you upgraded over) was OEM, you can re-install Windows 10 and activate it unless you change the motherboard. | Aug 04 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | Changing other hardware usually doesn't upset anything. If it does, you can re-activate it. | Aug 04 05:53 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: depends on country. | Aug 04 05:53 |
| DaemonFC | You call an 800 number and read some numbers and letters, and then it gives you some to type in, and then Windows will activate itself again. | Aug 04 05:53 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: EULA of OEM does not have to allow you to change motherboard. | Aug 04 05:53 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I had a motherboard fail when I was using Windows 8.1. | Aug 04 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | I swapped the motherboard and it still re-activated. | Aug 04 05:54 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Note my words depends on country. | Aug 04 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | The license says that they don't have to, but it seems like they allow it. | Aug 04 05:54 |
| oiaohm | Its the countries laws if they allow it or not. | Aug 04 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | I'm in the United States. | Aug 04 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | The same thing happened to my dad on XP once. | Aug 04 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | It re-activated, even though it was a different motherboard. | Aug 04 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | Although, the automated system refused, he talked to a support agent at Microsoft and they gave him a re-activation code. | Aug 04 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | It seems like they're pretty lenient in practice. | Aug 04 05:57 |
| oiaohm | Have to be DaemonFC | Aug 04 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | The activation system is just there to discourage casual copying. | Aug 04 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | It only enforces the EULA that you already agreed to. | Aug 04 05:57 |
| oiaohm | USA laws don't allow hardware binding. | Aug 04 05:57 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/deusexstigma/status/628503553124896768 | Aug 04 05:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@deusexstigma: @schestowitz so many ads in my feed..I just troll em | Aug 04 05:57 | |
| oiaohm | When it was tested in court DaemonFC | Aug 04 05:57 |
| schestowitz | still waste of time, ups their "engagement" score | Aug 04 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | People used to buy one copy of Windows and install it on every computer in the house. That sort of thing. | Aug 04 05:57 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: same issue in Australia. | Aug 04 05:57 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/JDB10101/status/628504237694058496 | Aug 04 05:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JDB10101: @schestowitz Microsoft ... Bizes like Greedy One Percent GOP oligarch$ have been buying trends/laws for decades, it is marketing. #GOP #DNC | Aug 04 05:58 | |
| oiaohm | But not all people globally are that lucky DaemonFC | Aug 04 05:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android M news: Release date delayed, to come | Aug 04 05:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | out in September or October? | Aug 04 05:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/5bgSFt2liY (www.vinereport.com) | Aug 04 05:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vinereport.com | Android M news: Release date delayed, to come out in September or October? | Vine Reporter | Aug 04 05:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE donates surplus funds to open | Aug 04 05:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | source projects http://t.co/LLx8oX7hSG | Aug 04 05:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.linuxveda.com) | Aug 04 05:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxveda.com | Ubuntu MATE donates surplus funds to open source projects - Linux Veda | Aug 04 05:59 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nucleus Software and Red Hat collaborate to | Aug 04 05:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | help Non-Banking Finance Companies shape the | Aug 04 05:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Future of Lending in India | Aug 04 05:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/LwZrtiB1pE (www.bobsguide.com) | Aug 04 05:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bobsguide.com | Nucleus Software and Red Hat collaborate to help Non-Banking Finance Companies shape the Future of... - bobsguide.com | Aug 04 05:59 | |
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| DaemonFC | The cheap Windows laptops are selling because Google crippled Chrome OS in certain ways. | Aug 04 06:04 |
| DaemonFC | Not being able to plug in a printer and print documents pisses me off. | Aug 04 06:04 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/628507417396015104 | Aug 04 06:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @schestowitz for your amusement: https://t.co/S2TzRsUlFG | Aug 04 06:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techdirt.com | Microsoft Launches Special 'Scott McNealy' Edition Of Windows | Techdirt | Aug 04 06:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Reproducible builds: week 14 in Stretch cycle | Aug 04 06:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/cXHj1pO3Mr (people.debian.org) | Aug 04 06:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://people.debian.org/%7Elunar/blog/posts/reproducible_builds_stretch_week_14/ ) | Aug 04 06:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open-spec motor control kit runs Linux on Zynq | Aug 04 06:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | SoC http://t.co/x4PJyI9xwK (linuxgizmos.com) | Aug 04 06:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Open-spec motor control kit runs Linux on Zynq SoC · LinuxGizmos.com | Aug 04 06:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 4.1.4 LTS Released with Numerous | Aug 04 06:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Updated Drivers, ARM64 Improvements | Aug 04 06:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/M7yo44ux3d (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 04 06:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncm8o | Aug 04 06:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 4.1.4 LTS Released with Numerous Updated Drivers, ARM64 Improvements - Softpedia | Aug 04 06:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Lollipop (Android 5.0, 5.1) is now installed on | Aug 04 06:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 18.1% of Android devices http://t.co/D5xuXVz4LL | Aug 04 06:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phonearena.com) http://t.co/dPqolDTka1 | Aug 04 06:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phonearena.com | Lollipop (Android 5.0, 5.1) is now installed on 18.1% of Android devices | Aug 04 06:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-phandroid.com | Android versions for August 2015: Lollipop now at 18.1% | Aug 04 06:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (phandroid.com) | Aug 04 06:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncm8q | Aug 04 06:10 |
| schestowitz | me: Funny you say that. Literally an hour ago I thought about exactly this same analogy, having written this http://techrights.org/2015/07/30/fud-from-mary-branscombe/ | Aug 04 06:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Making the Case for Koha: Why Libraries Should | Aug 04 06:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Consider an Open Source ILS | Aug 04 06:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/209nE5xPyP (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 06:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncm8r | Aug 04 06:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft’s Mouthpiece Mary Branscombe Tries to Shoot Down Free Software, But Fails Miserably | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nb2fg ] | Aug 04 06:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Making the Case for Koha: Why Libraries Should Consider an Open Source ILS | Tux Machines | Aug 04 06:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Canonical Publishes Impressive Roadmap for All | Aug 04 06:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of Their Ubuntu Products http://t.co/y1EsHMmwp9 | Aug 04 06:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 06:10 |
| schestowitz | Free like free puppy | Aug 04 06:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncm8t | Aug 04 06:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical Publishes Impressive Roadmap for All of Their Ubuntu Products | Tux Machines | Aug 04 06:10 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/628508692086956032 | Aug 04 06:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @schestowitz we're obviously hurtling back to 1999... | Aug 04 06:13 | |
| schestowitz | now it's a talking point against proprietary software with data suckage and back doors | Aug 04 06:13 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Yesterday and Today in Techrights | Aug 04 06:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/ibu8AXF7QQ (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 06:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Yesterday and Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Aug 04 06:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME Software Package Manager App Updated for | Aug 04 06:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GNOME 3.16 to Fix Multiple Bugs | Aug 04 06:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/wsXJ3vWdAL (linux.softpedia.com) | Aug 04 06:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncmdu | Aug 04 06:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | GNOME Software Package Manager App Updated for GNOME 3.16 to Fix Multiple Bugs - Softpedia | Aug 04 06:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GParted 0.23.0 Open Source Partition Editor | Aug 04 06:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Adds Support for Setting New Btrfs UUID | Aug 04 06:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/74RhrnkAmX (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 04 06:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncmdv | Aug 04 06:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | GParted 0.23.0 Open-Source Partition Editor Adds Support for Setting New Btrfs UUID - Softpedia | Aug 04 06:28 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/mrumens/status/628514541962309632 | Aug 04 06:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mrumens: @schestowitz @PeterPyke Doesn't really matter since Microsoft no longer services XP. Despite this, I still use it. | Aug 04 06:39 | |
| schestowitz | This puts you at great personal risk. Consider adopting #gnu #linux on the same (existing) PC. | Aug 04 06:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Manjaro Community Proudly Presents The Release | Aug 04 06:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of Manjaro Linux 0.8.13.1 i3 Edition | Aug 04 06:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/x6F1d9T5W8 (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 04 06:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Manjaro Community Proudly Presents the Release of Manjaro Linux 0.8.13.1 i3 Edition - Softpedia | Aug 04 06:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CUDA 7.0 enabled programs for Fedora 22 | Aug 04 06:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/x6bJcs93JB (negativo17.org) | Aug 04 06:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncmgl | Aug 04 06:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-negativo17.org | CUDA 7.0 enabled programs for Fedora 22 | negativo17 | Aug 04 06:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 5 Android games with amazing graphics and | Aug 04 06:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | visuals http://t.co/N6xYJJTJ8j | Aug 04 06:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phonearena.com) | Aug 04 06:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phonearena.com | 5 Android games with amazing graphics and visuals | Aug 04 06:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncmgm | Aug 04 06:41 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/aug/03/privacy-smartphones-battery-life | Aug 04 06:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | How your smartphone's battery life can be used to invade your privacy | Technology | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/nch2e ] | Aug 04 06:45 | |
| schestowitz | == | Aug 04 06:45 |
| schestowitz | https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/08/03/17-years-reporter-exposed-echelon-finds-vindication-snowden-archive/ | Aug 04 06:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-firstlook.org | After 27 Years, Reporter Who Exposed ECHELON Finds Vindication in Snowden Archive [ http://ur1.ca/ncbda ] | Aug 04 06:45 | |
| schestowitz | - | Aug 04 06:45 |
| schestowitz | old: | Aug 04 06:45 |
| schestowitz | 30.Calls on the Commission and Member States to | Aug 04 06:45 |
| schestowitz | promote software projects whose source text is made | Aug 04 06:45 |
| schestowitz | public (open-source software), as this is the only way | Aug 04 06:45 |
| schestowitz | of guaranteeing that no backdoors are built into | Aug 04 06:45 |
| schestowitz | programmes; | Aug 04 06:45 |
| schestowitz | 31.Calls on the Commission to lay down a standard | Aug 04 06:45 |
| schestowitz | for the level of security of e-mail software packages, | Aug 04 06:45 |
| schestowitz | placing those packages whose source code has not been | Aug 04 06:45 |
| schestowitz | made public in the "least reliable" category; | Aug 04 06:45 |
| schestowitz | 32. Calls on the European institutions and the public | Aug 04 06:45 |
| schestowitz | administrations of the Member States systematically to | Aug 04 06:45 |
| schestowitz | encrypt e-mails, so that ultimately encryption becomes | Aug 04 06:45 |
| schestowitz | the norm; | Aug 04 06:45 |
| schestowitz | 33. Calls on the Community institutions and the public | Aug 04 06:45 |
| schestowitz | administrations of the Member States to provide | Aug 04 06:45 |
| schestowitz | training for their staff and make their staff familiar | Aug 04 06:45 |
| schestowitz | with new encryption technologies and techniques by | Aug 04 06:45 |
| schestowitz | means of the necessary practical training and courses; | Aug 04 06:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+REPORT+A5-2001-0264+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN | Aug 04 06:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.europarl.europa.eu | Report on the existence of a global system for the interception of private and commercial communications (ECHELON interception system) - Temporary Committee on the ECHELON Interception System - A5-0264/2001 [ http://ur1.ca/ncmhj ] | Aug 04 06:45 | |
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| msb__ | schestowitz: "<schestowitz> [Using Windows XP] puts you at great personal risk." How? | Aug 04 06:51 |
| msb__ | People point at him and laugh? Loses 20IQ points? | Aug 04 06:53 |
| msb__ | Opens up a chronosynclastic infundibulum and sucks him down? | Aug 04 06:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Sony launches Xperia M5 and C5 Ultra Android | Aug 04 07:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | smartphones, with focus on perfect selfies | Aug 04 07:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/2uGQbsjiCP (thenextweb.com) | Aug 04 07:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenextweb.com | Sony launches Xperia M5 and C5 Ultra Android smartphones, with focus on perfect selfies | Aug 04 07:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Thursday night reception for LPC | Aug 04 07:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/iyO6UDtaEc (linuxplumbersconf.org) | Aug 04 07:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Plumbers Conference. | Aug 04 07:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxplumbersconf.org | Thursday night reception for LPC – | Aug 04 07:00 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "These are the top 5 flagships with | Aug 04 07:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | quick-charging batteries." | Aug 04 07:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/da2K12chWB (www.phonearena.com) | Aug 04 07:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phonearena.com | Zero to hero: 5 high-end Android smartphones with quick-charging batteries | Aug 04 07:00 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines DiRT Showdown Tested On Linux, Preview Port | Aug 04 07:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Report https://t.co/GYyGaHLa1B | Aug 04 07:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 04 07:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | DiRT Showdown Tested On Linux, Preview Port Report | GamingOnLinux | Aug 04 07:05 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Unexpected end of ZLIB input stream ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Aug 04 07:05 | |
| DaemonFC | Color me shocked. | Aug 04 07:13 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft Edge's Flash Player screws up HBO Now. :P | Aug 04 07:13 |
| DaemonFC | Works fine in Chrome. | Aug 04 07:13 |
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| DaemonFC | Sprint wants me to buy a tablet computer from them. They say the 7" LG G Pad is "free" if I agree to get a data plan for two years. | Aug 04 07:24 |
| DaemonFC | The lowest data plan is $10 a month for 100 MB of mobile data. So, I could just use it on wifi, and it'd come out to $240 over two years. | Aug 04 07:24 |
| DaemonFC | Not sure if it's worth that much though. | Aug 04 07:24 |
| oiaohm | No way. | Aug 04 07:25 |
| oiaohm | 7 inch LG G pad I think is only 100 AUD. | Aug 04 07:25 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, I figured as much. | Aug 04 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | When Sprint says "free" it means make sure you still have your wallet. | Aug 04 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 04 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, they're hardly the worst about that. | Aug 04 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | For a long time, AT&T was slipping an extra $10 a month on every 4G LTE phone and calling it a "premium data surcharge". :) | Aug 04 07:29 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: no best price is 150 AUD | Aug 04 07:29 |
| oiaohm | So it a slightly more expensive one. | Aug 04 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, but that's Australian. | Aug 04 07:30 |
| oiaohm | Worst price is 589 | Aug 04 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.androidcentral.com/lg-g-pad-f-70-coming-sprint-customers-march-17-free-contract | Aug 04 07:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidcentral.com | LG G Pad F 7.0 coming to Sprint on March 17; free on contract | Android Central [ http://ur1.ca/ncmtf ] | Aug 04 07:30 | |
| oiaohm | Both of those prices are unlocked and planless | Aug 04 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | ", Sprint also says that it is running a limited promotion whereby customers can lease an LG G3 bundled with the tablet with unlimited talk, text, and 1GB of data for $90 per month." | Aug 04 07:31 |
| DaemonFC | Of course they are. The LG G3 isn't the current model. | Aug 04 07:31 |
| DaemonFC | Have to move those leftovers somehow. :) | Aug 04 07:31 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, Seems there's an older model. | Aug 04 07:32 |
| DaemonFC | The F7.0 has better specs. | Aug 04 07:33 |
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| DaemonFC | It wouldn't really be very useful. | Aug 04 07:35 |
| oiaohm | Depends on the G3 | Aug 04 07:36 |
| DaemonFC | I already have one of the best Android phones they make. | Aug 04 07:36 |
| oiaohm | Some G3 are more expensive than F70 | Aug 04 07:36 |
| DaemonFC | The tablet's screen is a little bigger, but the processor is slower, it has less RAM, the internal storage isn't great. | Aug 04 07:36 |
| oiaohm | The ones here are dual sim | Aug 04 07:36 |
| DaemonFC | Nah, Sprint wanted you to leave with the G3 and the F7.0 tablet. | Aug 04 07:36 |
| DaemonFC | Right now I'm on a Sprint Lease with the Galaxy S6. I don't have too many complaints about it. | Aug 04 07:37 |
| DaemonFC | It's fast. It's stable. It's packed with features. The battery life leaves a little to be desired, but it's not the worst on the market in that area. | Aug 04 07:37 |
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| DaemonFC | The flagship that chews through the battery the fastest this round is the iPhone 6. | Aug 04 07:38 |
| oiaohm | I guess the G3 duel sim is worthless on a sprint plan. | Aug 04 07:38 |
| DaemonFC | Probably to nobody's surprise. | Aug 04 07:38 |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC: normally I am a scavanger when it comes to phones. | Aug 04 07:39 |
| oiaohm | cyngonmod supporting phone a person does not want I take. | Aug 04 07:40 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, the S2 is really proving itself there. | Aug 04 07:40 |
| DaemonFC | You can run the latest CM on it, and it had a user replaceable battery. | Aug 04 07:40 |
| DaemonFC | Costs about $8 to swap the battery. | Aug 04 07:41 |
| DaemonFC | The newer phones have more bells and whistles though, obviously. | Aug 04 07:41 |
| DaemonFC | Faster processors, more RAM, better screen, wireless charging, wifi calling. | Aug 04 07:42 |
| DaemonFC | Tons of stuff. | Aug 04 07:42 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: With what I do I sometimes destory the phone. | Aug 04 07:42 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, so you really don't want an S6 if you might destroy it. | Aug 04 07:42 |
| DaemonFC | The base model starts out at like $650 I think. | Aug 04 07:42 |
| DaemonFC | There's rumor of a price cut coming. | Aug 04 07:42 |
| DaemonFC | That's to be expected I guess. | Aug 04 07:43 |
| DaemonFC | The used phone market is saturated. You can't really get anything out of your two year old phone because they're everywhere. | Aug 04 07:43 |
| DaemonFC | Plus, lower end Androids aren't as bad as they used to be. | Aug 04 07:43 |
| DaemonFC | When I got my old LG G2, the low end Androids were bad. Really bad. | Aug 04 07:44 |
| DaemonFC | Some still are, I guess. | Aug 04 07:44 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/David_Lally/status/628531847887212544 | Aug 04 07:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@David_Lally: @schestowitz That's quite a good point, I'd never thought of it quite that way before. Bravo. | Aug 04 07:47 | |
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| oiaohm | XRevan86: connection troubles? | Aug 04 08:06 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Not quite. | Aug 04 08:07 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: New kernel update at the VPS. | Aug 04 08:07 |
| XRevan86 | Linux 4.1.4 | Aug 04 08:08 |
| DaemonFC` | I got a good deal on a used monitor but there's no cable. | Aug 04 08:18 |
| DaemonFC` | I bought a 6 foot DVI cable on ebay for $4. I'll just wait a few days and get it in the mail. Best Buy wants $20 for a freaking monitor cable, their cheapest brand. | Aug 04 08:19 |
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| DaemonFC | Well, I found a VGA cable, but no DVI-VGA adapter. If I can find one, it'll do in the meantime. I just don't like using VGA. The image is not as crisp, and colors can get a little bit off. | Aug 04 08:25 |
| DaemonFC | Damn it. I must have gotten 20 of those over the years every time I bought a video card, and now I can't find one anywhere. | Aug 04 08:27 |
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| cubexyz | Windows XP had the same problem Windows 2.0 had | Aug 04 09:09 |
| cubexyz | it was slow | Aug 04 09:09 |
| cubexyz | on the same machine Linux performed better | Aug 04 09:09 |
| MinceR | winblows had many more problems than that | Aug 04 09:12 |
| MinceR | including the lendows crowd's favorite feature, client side decorations | Aug 04 09:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @RamiSilawi RT @tuxmachines: Canonical Publishes Impressive | Aug 04 09:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Roadmap for All of Their #Ubuntu Products | Aug 04 09:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/GDCmJGr6BR (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 04 09:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://twitter.com/RamiSilawi/status/628531133303533568 | Aug 04 09:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Canonical Publishes Impressive Roadmap for All of Their Ubuntu Products - Softpedia | Aug 04 09:17 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6425000 | Aug 04 09:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@harryhaller@nerdpol.ch: _at the CIA, the tail wagged the dog, that America’s real business was covert activities, not intelligence collecting and analysis_ [chalmers johnson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalmers_Johnson) "[sorrows of empire](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgnKZ5UgYS0)" CIA not NSA #usa #cia #empire #destabilisation #chalmersjohnson #sorrowofempire | Aug 04 09:17 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> en.wikipedia.org | Chalmers Johnson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/g2o8g ] | Aug 04 09:17 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com | The Sorrows of Empire - Chalmers Johnson - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/ncnml ] | Aug 04 09:17 | |
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| DaemonFC | cubexyz, Right after XP came out, it was just awful. | Aug 04 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | Lots of bug. LOTS of bugs. | Aug 04 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | Very slow. | Aug 04 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | Lots of apps just didn't work at all. | Aug 04 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | Remember those Application Compatibility Updates? | Aug 04 10:28 |
| cubexyz | not really | Aug 04 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft would release some shim packs to get software working on XP. | Aug 04 10:28 |
| cubexyz | I didn't really use XP very much | Aug 04 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | Most of the broken apps were written for Windows 9x, so they needed the shims. | Aug 04 10:28 |
| cubexyz | win2k was the last version I used to any great degree | Aug 04 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/319580 | Aug 04 10:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-support.microsoft.com | [ http://ur1.ca/nco88 ] | Aug 04 10:29 | |
| DaemonFC | There's an example of one. | Aug 04 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/308381 | Aug 04 10:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-support.microsoft.com | [ http://ur1.ca/nco8q ] | Aug 04 10:30 | |
| cubexyz | I prefer the control motif gives you over the windows API | Aug 04 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | https://bgr.com/2015/02/28/battery-draining-smartphone-apps-facebook/ | Aug 04 10:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com | Don’t use Facebook’s mobile app on your smartphone | BGR [ http://ur1.ca/nco9q ] | Aug 04 10:34 | |
| MinceR | Don't use Facebook | Aug 04 10:34 |
| MinceR | FTFY | Aug 04 10:34 |
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| cubexyz | the whole c:\ thing is silly | Aug 04 10:39 |
| DaemonFC | https://bgr.com/2015/08/03/windows-10-porn-screensaver/ | Aug 04 10:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com | Windows 10: Porn screensaver surprises man and his wife | BGR [ http://ur1.ca/ncoc4 ] | Aug 04 10:40 | |
| DaemonFC | "Posting on Reddit, a man detailed how he began the Windows 10 installation process at night before going to bed. Come the next morning, his wife woke him up asking why their computer’s screensaver was cycling through the man’s ostensibly private porn photo collection which, he later explained, included quite a few celebrity nudes." | Aug 04 10:41 |
| cubexyz | old | Aug 04 10:41 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: Why would anybody care? | Aug 04 10:41 |
| XRevan86 | I hardly can even call that an Шindows 10 issue. | Aug 04 10:42 |
| MinceR | shindows? | Aug 04 10:43 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: yup | Aug 04 10:44 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/bsod-microsoft-vista.jpg | Aug 04 10:53 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Time to reinstall Шindows. | Aug 04 10:55 |
| cubexyz | even Gates got the BSOD one time :) | Aug 04 10:55 |
| cubexyz | plug in the scanner and ...WHOA | Aug 04 10:55 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Win98 preview, yeah. | Aug 04 10:55 |
| XRevan86 | plug-n-die | Aug 04 10:56 |
| cubexyz | and the surface tablet did the same thing later on | Aug 04 10:56 |
| XRevan86 | dont-plug-yet-die-anyway | Aug 04 10:57 |
| MinceR | i think he got it more than one time | Aug 04 10:57 |
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| cubexyz | I think Minix runs, or at least can run device drivers in userspace | Aug 04 11:11 |
| cubexyz | most of these software crashes seem to be driver related | Aug 04 11:11 |
| MinceR | microkernels tend to be required to run device drivers in userspace | Aug 04 11:12 |
| MinceR | though even gnu/linux can run certain device drivers in userspace | Aug 04 11:12 |
| MinceR | (chiefly printer drivers and some usb device stuff) | Aug 04 11:12 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines saw that retweet of @tuxmachines by @speedytux too | Aug 04 11:13 | |
| cubexyz | there used to be a LKM for the scanner | Aug 04 11:15 |
| cubexyz | and there's one for using the parallel port | Aug 04 11:16 |
| cubexyz | the scanner LKM wasn't compatible with 2.6 kernels so I couldn't use it | Aug 04 11:19 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Windows pushed most of the drivers out to userspace a long time ago. | Aug 04 12:15 |
| DaemonFC | The sound and video drivers at least. | Aug 04 12:16 |
| MinceR | and the windowing system to the kernel | Aug 04 12:16 |
| DaemonFC | Your drivers can crash and it's not fatal if it happens. | Aug 04 12:16 |
| DaemonFC | On Linux, your system is just stuffed. | Aug 04 12:16 |
| MinceR | but feel free to wank about the 2 bits that are outside the kernel | Aug 04 12:16 |
| MinceR | strange, my system wasn't stuffed until poetteringware broke it | Aug 04 12:16 |
| DaemonFC | Either you get a frozen screen or you get kicked out to a console with some indecipherable crap. | Aug 04 12:17 |
| DaemonFC | Well, the quality of the open source AMD drivers is excellent lately, but it wasn't always so. | Aug 04 12:17 |
| DaemonFC | Just a few years ago, crashes were very common. | Aug 04 12:17 |
| DaemonFC | And you had to choose between slow drivers that were missing lots of important features, or the newer drivers that crashed more. | Aug 04 12:18 |
| MinceR | this is similar to m$ wanking about putting how the windowing system in the kernel makes it so zomg-fast | Aug 04 12:18 |
| MinceR | even though sawfish and usermode x easily beat it | Aug 04 12:18 |
| MinceR | (sawfish, which ran slow lisp code to put together its decorations) | Aug 04 12:18 |
| DaemonFC | Again, that wasn't always the case. | Aug 04 12:18 |
| MinceR | i'm tired of all the theoretical benefits to m$ "technology" that never manifest in practice | Aug 04 12:19 |
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| cubexyz | computers have been crashing due to overheating | Aug 04 12:57 |
| cubexyz | then it doesn't matter which OS you're using | Aug 04 12:57 |
| cubexyz | I remember this one motherboard that for some reason would gather dust inside the memory socket | Aug 04 12:57 |
| cubexyz | once a year I'd have to remove the DIMMs and clean the sockets | Aug 04 12:58 |
| cubexyz | some sort of electro-static effect I guess | Aug 04 12:58 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer How do you have Windows on a 16 GB SSD? Even if you turn off the page file, hibernation, etc., it still wouldn't fit. | Aug 04 13:06 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure that Acer will expand their assortment of crapware to erase whatever efficiency gains were made. Gotta make money somehow. I don't know how you sell a laptop with Windows for $169, and I don't think I want to, but I'm sure you'll get everything you're paying for. (Also, I'm on Windows 10 right now and the C:\Windows folder alone is 16.5 GB, and that doesn't even take anything else into account.) | Aug 04 13:06 |
| cubexyz | I'm running openbsd on a 7 gig hard drive | Aug 04 13:11 |
| cubexyz | but to make a comparison Unix version 5 could fit into a RK05 which is 2.5 megs | Aug 04 13:11 |
| cubexyz | so 16 gigs is no sweat | Aug 04 13:12 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-silently-uses-your-bandwidth-to-send-updates-to-others | Aug 04 13:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | Windows 10 silently uses your bandwidth to send updates to others | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/ncpv4 ] | Aug 04 13:12 | |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer So, Windows went from bordering on malware to actual malware. It hijacks your internet connection that you are paying for and makes you foot Microsoft's bandwidth bills. | Aug 04 13:12 |
| DaemonFC | Vernon E Parker III I wouldn't say silently since they did say this would be a part of how Windows would help speed up the windows update feature in most of their promotional materials. | Aug 04 13:12 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer And of course everyone would have read the Windows promotional materials... | Aug 04 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | Jason Fiore Ryan, the build you're using on your machine is not the same build that's on these low end devices. These are running the Windows 10 equivalent of "Windows 8.1 with Bing," a low-to-zero cost version of Windows specifically designed for these small devices. | Aug 04 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | Again, you're likely coming from the Windows 7 camp. Windows devices have been shipping with these specs for almost two years. | Aug 04 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer Well, granted I have no experience with the build you seem to be talking about, because in the one I'm using they even have two different control panels that interfere with one another, and two web browsers that I don't want to use. It's not eactly svelte. | Aug 04 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | I's more like Windows Multiple Personality Disorder Edition. | Aug 04 13:17 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 04 13:17 |
| cubexyz | tom's root boot was the most GNU/Linux you could get on 1 floppy disk | Aug 04 13:18 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, Microsoft has a long history of downplaying minimum system requirements. | Aug 04 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | Like Windows 95 on a 386 with 8 MB of RAM. | Aug 04 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | It depends on what your definition of is is. | Aug 04 13:19 |
| cubexyz | I remember that | Aug 04 13:20 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is also infamous for bugs that never should have made it out of the beta testing process. | Aug 04 13:21 |
| DaemonFC | No matter how many years go between releases. | Aug 04 13:21 |
| DaemonFC | In Windows Me, System Restore would back up malware so that it could be restored after your antivirus program removed it. | Aug 04 13:22 |
| DaemonFC | Then at one day that September, System Restore quit making restore points, and you had to use a hotfix to get it working again. | Aug 04 13:22 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, you have to apply a liberal definition of the word "working" because it frequently just broke your system even worse than before you ran it. | Aug 04 13:23 |
| DaemonFC | Anyone who has been around for a while knows the score by now. | Aug 04 13:24 |
| DaemonFC | It takes Microsoft so long to make a product work right that it's almost time to "upgrade" again. | Aug 04 13:24 |
| DaemonFC | http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/08/0-day-bug-in-fully-patched-os-x-comes-under-active-exploit-to-hijack-macs/ | Aug 04 13:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | 0-day bug in fully patched OS X comes under active exploit to hijack Macs | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/ncq15 ] | Aug 04 13:30 | |
| DaemonFC | I guess it wasn't fully patched enough. | Aug 04 13:30 |
| DaemonFC | They'd better fully patch it some more. | Aug 04 13:30 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 04 13:33 |
| MinceR | It Just Needs More Work(tm) | Aug 04 13:33 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Re: Facebook. I try not to use mobile apps if there's a website that I can load in Firefox just as easily. | Aug 04 14:12 |
| DaemonFC | Having the app in some cases is just a stupid waste of storage space, and the whole reason they want you to use the app is so they can gather data about you from your phone. | Aug 04 14:13 |
| abeNd-org | and you dont have to keep turning off 20 notifations each time a new version of the app is downloaded | Aug 04 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | Oh, don't you hate that? | Aug 04 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | 50 notifications telling you about each app it jsut updated. | Aug 04 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | Who gives a shit? God damn. Go away! You know? :P | Aug 04 14:20 |
| abeNd-org | that, & it seems like each time you update an app, it resets the app's notifications, so you start getting all the annoying groupon/facebook/whatever notifications again | Aug 04 14:20 |
| abeNd-org | and yeah, just update the apps silently in the background, i dont need to be told app X updated however many times this week, especially if im on the beta ring for it | Aug 04 14:22 |
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| DaemonFC | http://mashable.com/2015/08/04/os-x-flaw-adware-mac/ | Aug 04 14:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mashable.com | Hackers are exploiting an OS X flaw to install unwanted adware [ http://ur1.ca/ncqob ] | Aug 04 14:37 | |
| DaemonFC | Facebook is about the chattiest app there is. | Aug 04 14:38 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/628569865109028864 | Aug 04 14:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: As it does not support creation of encrypted drives, #GParted will not become the Swiss Army Knife for disk creation https://t.co/tEOTffKURt | Aug 04 14:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #GParted 0.23.0 Open Source Partition Editor Adds Support for Setting New Btrfs UUID http://t.co/MKrCezjNQ2 | Aug 04 14:58 | |
| schestowitz | [18:30] <DaemonFC> I guess it wasn't fully patched enough. | Aug 04 14:59 |
| abeNd-org | http://forums.techsoup.org/cs/community/b/tsblog/archive/2015/08/04/7-things-nonprofits-should-know-as-millennials-take-over-the-world.aspx ahahaaaha - Millennials will make up as much as 75 percent of the U.S. workforce by 2025. - this person assumes millennials actually want to work | Aug 04 14:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.techsoup.org | 7 Things Nonprofits Should Know As Millennials Take Over the World [ http://ur1.ca/ncqve ] | Aug 04 14:59 | |
| schestowitz | Must wait till NSA finds another bug doors | Aug 04 14:59 |
| schestowitz | Then Apple can 'patch' this one | Aug 04 14:59 |
| schestowitz | abeNd-org: they do | Aug 04 15:00 |
| abeNd-org | I am sure there are some that do, but most are just "entitled" & "deserve" everything for free | Aug 04 15:01 |
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| MinceR | DaemonFC: also, dumbFuckBook will use every bit of information they know about you, against you | Aug 04 15:11 |
| MinceR | and they'll also hand it over to micro$oft and the nsa. | Aug 04 15:11 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/628644295218589697 | Aug 04 15:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Sound worse than eBola ! | Aug 04 15:11 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, They parodied Facebook in GTA V. | Aug 04 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | They called it LifeInvader. | Aug 04 15:12 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 04 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | Your guy had to go on a mission to put a bomb in Mark Zuckerberg's phone. | Aug 04 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | To blow his head off on the evening news. | Aug 04 15:13 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 04 15:14 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: fuckerbuck | Aug 04 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, I loved that game. | Aug 04 15:14 |
| schestowitz | !google zuckerberg sweats youtube | Aug 04 15:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Mark Zuckerberg Sweats About Privacy Issues On ... - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DdmYzjjSfT8s | Aug 04 15:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - D8 Interview Video: Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DG4XGbZ7IrC8 | Aug 04 15:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Mark Zuckerberg gets hot under the collar over your ... - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dit2yjVeqEHQ | Aug 04 15:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Mark Zuckerberg Sweats and Distracts When Asked ... - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DuANQCptsugg | Aug 04 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | I liked the last mission, where you rob the Federal Reserve. | Aug 04 15:15 |
| DaemonFC | Actually, I liked all of the missions. | Aug 04 15:15 |
| DaemonFC | I was reading Jamie Zawinski's blog out of boredom. | Aug 04 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | He posted an article from the late 1990s about how skaters would show up with power tools and rip out the anti-skating fixtures from sidewalks and parking lots and stuff. | Aug 04 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | I wish people would start doing that to homeless spikes. | Aug 04 15:21 |
| MinceR | give the poor spikes a home! | Aug 04 15:25 |
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| abeNd-org | yes, put them on the US/MX border | Aug 04 15:33 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/628649444901154816 | Aug 04 15:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: Garbage [in]---> (version +1)---> [out] Garbage (+ new bugs 10^11) https://t.co/R3QgBWeTvE | Aug 04 15:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #vista10 is like going 9 years into the past http://t.co/xPqymjPoe7 | Aug 04 15:33 | |
| abeNd-org | & handle the homeless problem with compassion.... however that will only help with some, as a goodly portion of the homeless have mental issues & that needs to be handled differently | Aug 04 15:33 |
| schestowitz | [11:04] <DaemonFC> The cheap Windows laptops are selling because Google crippled Chrome OS in certain ways. | Aug 04 15:34 |
| schestowitz | Install Linux on them | Aug 04 15:34 |
| schestowitz | works OK | Aug 04 15:34 |
| schestowitz | though you might have to tweak croûton a bit to start CUPS | Aug 04 15:35 |
| schestowitz | took me a while to set up | Aug 04 15:35 |
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| schestowitz | for the wife, DaemonFC | Aug 04 15:35 |
| schestowitz | it's not an issue | Aug 04 15:35 |
| schestowitz | so long as you use the freedom of chromebooks | Aug 04 15:35 |
| schestowitz | to install another OS | Aug 04 15:35 |
| schestowitz | [10:09] <DaemonFC> http://www.engadget.com/2015/08/04/acer-aspire-one-cloudbook/ | Aug 04 15:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com | Acer Aspire One Cloudbook gives you a full Windows laptop for $169 [ http://ur1.ca/nclq8 ] | Aug 04 15:36 | |
| schestowitz | Spying machine, underpowered | Aug 04 15:36 |
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| DaemonFC | Yeah. 2 GB of RAM is really bad. Probably soldered too, like my Chromebook. | Aug 04 15:38 |
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| cubexyz | to me the main advantage of a chomebook is coreboot | Aug 04 15:40 |
| cubexyz | older chromebooks did not have the memory soldered to the motherboard | Aug 04 15:42 |
| cubexyz | Acer C710 is upgradeable | Aug 04 15:43 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Yesterday and Today in Techrights | Aug 04 15:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by http://t.co/ibu8AXF7QQ (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 15:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz | Aug 04 15:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncrat | Aug 04 15:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Announcing the shutdown of the Ada Initiative | Aug 04 15:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/HhsRRfxHyp (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 15:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Yesterday and Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Aug 04 15:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncrav | Aug 04 15:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Announcing the shutdown of the Ada Initiative | Tux Machines | Aug 04 15:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Personal Will Have Unity 8 and Mir by | Aug 04 15:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Default and Will Run X Legacy Apps | Aug 04 15:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/DZ8oqjFvYC (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 15:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncraz | Aug 04 15:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Personal Will Have Unity 8 and Mir by Default and Will Run X Legacy Apps | Tux Machines | Aug 04 15:48 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2015/08/04/apple-stock-implosion-billions/31110665/ | Aug 04 16:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.usatoday.com | Apple stock implosion shreds $113.4B [ http://ur1.ca/ncri4 ] | Aug 04 16:08 | |
| schestowitz | LOL | Aug 04 16:11 |
| schestowitz | wardrobe malfunction | Aug 04 16:11 |
| schestowitz | NSFW: https://twitter.com/pimpjuicewow/status/628653287470944256 | Aug 04 16:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pimpjuicewow: Lenny Kravitz's dick says "hey, wsup, hello!" on stage 🎥 http://t.co/2I0PTCpc82 | Aug 04 16:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dorseyshaw: This GIF of Lenny Kravitz's penis popping out of his leather pants is kinda relaxing tbh http://t.co/RDCgSXAUBm | Aug 04 16:11 | |
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| DaemonFC | https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/Dn594399.aspx?f=255&MSPPError=-2147217396 | Aug 04 16:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-technet.microsoft.com | Windows Image File Boot (WIMBoot) Overview [ http://ur1.ca/ncrjm ] | Aug 04 16:13 | |
| DaemonFC | Apparently, that's how they're getting Windows on a 16 GB SSD. | Aug 04 16:13 |
| schestowitz | ewww https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CLlUhZwWcAAWLKq.mp4 | Aug 04 16:14 |
| schestowitz | this is what everyone talks about right now | Aug 04 16:14 |
| schestowitz | no underwear | Aug 04 16:14 |
| schestowitz | he thinks he;s tarzan | Aug 04 16:14 |
| MinceR | humanity is headed back into barbarism | Aug 04 16:15 |
| MinceR | welcome to the new dark age | Aug 04 16:15 |
| schestowitz | can't unsee that | Aug 04 16:17 |
| schestowitz | anyway, people online share this as if, like it's fappening | Aug 04 16:17 |
| schestowitz | but it's only treated as abusive when that's done to females | Aug 04 16:18 |
| MinceR | that's the wonderful world of the SIW-s (Social Injustice Warriors) | Aug 04 16:19 |
| MinceR | trying to make a right out of two wrongs | Aug 04 16:19 |
| MinceR | and if that fails, trying to make a right out of three wrongs | Aug 04 16:19 |
| MinceR | etc. | Aug 04 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Third wave feminism bullshit. | Aug 04 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 04 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | If the facts don't support them they make something up. | Aug 04 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | All men are pigs. | Aug 04 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | Women are the victim of everything. | Aug 04 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | One of their big things is the "pay gap" myth that just won't die. | Aug 04 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | They even got the president to repeat it for them in the SOTU address in 2013. | Aug 04 16:23 |
| MinceR | the "president" is just a mouthpiece for his owners anyway | Aug 04 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I voted for him twice. | Aug 04 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | That's how the two party system gets you. | Aug 04 16:24 |
| MinceR | yup | Aug 04 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | I think schestowitz said he doesn't vote. | Aug 04 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | Not voting is voting, in a sense. | Aug 04 16:27 |
| MinceR | hardly | Aug 04 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | I agree with Richard Stallman about Bernie Sanders though. | Aug 04 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to vote for him in the primary next year, but there's the Clinton machine. | Aug 04 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | The banksters will unload practically unlimited money on her. | Aug 04 16:28 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Bodhi Linux 3.1.0 Pre Invites Users to Test the | Aug 04 16:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | New Moksha Desktop Environment | Aug 04 16:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Bodhi Linux 3.1.0 Pre Invites Users to Test the New Moksha Desktop Environment | Tux Machines | Aug 04 16:42 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open source Chromecast competitor, Matchstick, | Aug 04 16:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | is dead http://t.co/3HHmwtyo0I | Aug 04 16:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 16:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open source Chromecast competitor, Matchstick, is dead | Tux Machines | Aug 04 16:42 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Debian Finally Moves to GCC 5 | Aug 04 16:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian Finally Moves to GCC 5 | Tux Machines | Aug 04 16:49 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines saw that tweet by @tuxmachines too | Aug 04 16:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AMD is working on a new Linux graphics driver | Aug 04 16:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to catch up with Nvidia http://t.co/iWGp6mM41O | Aug 04 16:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AMD is working on a new Linux graphics driver to catch up with Nvidia | Tux Machines | Aug 04 16:49 | |
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| msb__ | DaemonFC: Sanders will never win. Primaries will be rigged or he will be murdered. | Aug 04 17:03 |
| msb__ | Or maybe the huge flood of propaganda will succeed. | Aug 04 17:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Raspberry Jams bring Pi enthusiasts together | Aug 04 17:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/0aTPBKgmcw (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 17:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Raspberry Jams bring Pi enthusiasts together | Tux Machines | Aug 04 17:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AMD is working on a new Linux graphics driver | Aug 04 17:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to catch up with Nvidia http://t.co/n1mTrtZCUG | Aug 04 17:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com | AMD is working on a new Linux graphics driver to catch up with Nvidia | PCWorld | Aug 04 17:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.pcworld.com) | Aug 04 17:05 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Raspberry Jams bring Pi enthusiasts together | Aug 04 17:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/8mKN9fQVmX (opensource.com) | Aug 04 17:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com | Raspberry Jams bring Pi enthusiasts together | Opensource.com | Aug 04 17:05 | |
| DaemonFC | msb__, They are pulling out all the stops. | Aug 04 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | The New York Times is even in on it. | Aug 04 17:06 |
| msb__ | The NYT is _always_ in on it. | Aug 04 17:06 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: watch these two RT shows: | Aug 04 17:09 |
| msb__ | http://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/270793-new-cold-war-conflict/ | Aug 04 17:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | Cold war redux (featuring Chris Hedges) RT — CrossTalk [ http://ur1.ca/ncs5u ] | Aug 04 17:09 | |
| msb__ | http://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/310643-ukraine-chaos-western-media/ | Aug 04 17:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | Watching media RT — CrossTalk [ http://ur1.ca/ncs68 ] | Aug 04 17:09 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/628674059291619328 | Aug 04 17:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: DOES HE REALLY NEED SOME? https://t.co/6uT1Rk6zsR | Aug 04 17:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Putting Lipstick on a Penguin http://t.co/FCAjvuPeml #gnu #linux #desktop | Aug 04 17:12 | |
| cubexyz | one thing I noticed with openbsd regarding KDE 3.5.10 | Aug 04 17:15 |
| cubexyz | you can install kdelibs and kdeutils (or other parts) without installing kdebase | Aug 04 17:15 |
| cubexyz | that greatly cuts down the amount of file space required | Aug 04 17:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE dot org Redesign https://t.co/R6VAJfIHkD | Aug 04 17:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (kver.wordpress.com) | Aug 04 17:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kver.wordpress.com | KDE.org Redesign | Ken Vermette | Aug 04 17:16 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Unity 8 And KDE May Coexist On The Future | Aug 04 17:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Versions Of The Ubuntu Desktop | Aug 04 17:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/fZTA0zhRtK (linuxg.net) | Aug 04 17:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net | Unity 8 And KDE May Coexist On The Future Versions Of The Ubuntu Desktop | LinuxG.net | Aug 04 17:16 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Putting Lipstick on a Penguin | Aug 04 17:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/BrJ0nWnNFc (fossforce.com) | Aug 04 17:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Putting Lipstick on a Penguin | FOSS Force | Aug 04 17:16 | |
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| msb__ | RT just did a story about their reporter going to US State Dept and asking what is legal justification for US attacking Syrian military. Spokesman could not answer. | Aug 04 17:19 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/628680988999217152 | Aug 04 17:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: If I had to use #wordpress I wouldn't host it myself. Let someone else take responsibility for backups & updates. https://t.co/Zf4773Nl7s | Aug 04 17:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: All my #wordpress sites finally up to date. Anyone who has a WordPress site ought to patch ASAP. #security #cms #freesw | Aug 04 17:41 | |
| schestowitz | That would make one sensitive to DMCA censorship and many other issues | Aug 04 17:41 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/628682802293248000 | Aug 04 17:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: Then don't use #wordpress. #worstSoftwareEver https://t.co/w4ddBeul3g | Aug 04 17:44 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @qu1j0t3 That would make one sensitive to DMCA censorship and many other issues | Aug 04 17:44 | |
| schestowitz | very good software | Aug 04 17:45 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines HPLIP Vulnerability Closed in Ubuntu OSes | Aug 04 17:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | HPLIP Vulnerability Closed in Ubuntu OSes | Tux Machines | Aug 04 17:51 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tanglu 3 (Chromodoris willani) released! | Aug 04 17:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tanglu 3 (Chromodoris willani) released! | Tux Machines | Aug 04 17:54 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @iArthurCDN favourited 'Debian Finally Moves to GCC 5 http://t.co/Av0GORtTsz' | Aug 04 18:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Debian Finally Moves to GCC 5 - Softpedia | Aug 04 18:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Xfce: Seven Reasons It's Popular | Aug 04 18:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/ZCGXIiSY56 (www.datamation.com) | Aug 04 18:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datamation.com | Xfce: Seven Reasons It's Popular - Datamation | Aug 04 18:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Point Linux 3.0 (Agni) http://t.co/cnfTBs7jrA | Aug 04 18:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. | Aug 04 18:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LibreOffice 5: The best office suite today | Aug 04 18:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by won't cost you a dime http://t.co/PJceLXq6qd | Aug 04 18:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @iArthurCDN (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 18:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice 5: The best office suite today won't cost you a dime | Tux Machines | Aug 04 18:09 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @iArthurCDN favourited 'LibreOffice 5: The best office suite today won't...' | Aug 04 18:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 4/8/2015: http://t.co/KkESzmXmIf | Aug 04 18:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.kde.org) Redesign, Point Linux 3.0 | Aug 04 18:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/S0Eixp7Xg3 (techrights.org) | Aug 04 18:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kde.org | KDE - Experience Freedom! | Aug 04 18:48 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 4/8/2015: KDE.org Redesign, Point Linux 3.0 | Techrights | Aug 04 18:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora: The Latest http://t.co/kvr2f24TtB | Aug 04 18:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora: The Latest | Tux Machines | Aug 04 18:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat News http://t.co/c2CjCG1Pyc | Aug 04 18:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat News | Tux Machines | Aug 04 18:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: KDE/Qt http://t.co/8MGoso9F5b | Aug 04 18:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: KDE/Qt | Tux Machines | Aug 04 18:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/GaSK7cBrcB | Aug 04 18:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Aug 04 18:49 | |
| MinceR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhBdPx53pfQ | Aug 04 19:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Apple Fanboys LOVE Android - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nct6h ] | Aug 04 19:00 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/annejanbrouwer/status/628837983198822400 | Aug 05 04:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@annejanbrouwer: @schestowitz that's sad will probably get more new peeps to never find IRC and stick with the walled gardens of #slack | Aug 05 04:04 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/628857180423364611 https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/628857320043376640 | Aug 05 05:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz I wonder why you make such a fuzz about sth that I stated upfront. http://t.co/pjPlQr9XWj is a Red Hat project. (1/2) | Aug 05 05:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> OpenSource.com | Open source is changing the world: join the movement | Opensource.com | Aug 05 05:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz We never claimed otherwise. We were open about that from day 1. (2/2) | Aug 05 05:19 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, but recently it has been full of Red Hat jingoism and it's treated by Google as "news" | Aug 05 05:20 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/628857528793866240 | Aug 05 05:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz soon even more ;-) I'm writing my review for http://t.co/pjPlQr9XWj as we tweet :-) | Aug 05 05:20 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/628861319324766208 | Aug 05 05:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz seems open source SEO is a thing ;-) We should make a startup out if that!1!! | Aug 05 05:35 | |
| schestowitz | don't interpret my comments as #redhat bashing, just a criticism in favour of independent media | Aug 05 05:36 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=EXWM-Window-Manager | Aug 05 06:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | EXWM: Turning Emacs Into An X Window Manager - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/ncybq ] | Aug 05 06:19 | |
| oiaohm | Just when you think emacs is overloaded enough. | Aug 05 06:19 |
| oiaohm | Someone adds more. | Aug 05 06:19 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/628906811941326848 | Aug 05 08:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: LibreOffice 5.0 stands out from the office suite crowd @ruskin147 @schestowitz https://t.co/vmmQUXi4it | Aug 05 08:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blog.documentfoundation.org | LibreOffice 5.0 stands out from the office suite crowd | Aug 05 08:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6424863 | Aug 05 09:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #UbuntuTouch Support Will Be Provided for as Long as Technically Possible http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-touch-support-will-be-provided-as-long-as-technically-possible-488449.shtml #ubuntu #linux | Aug 05 09:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch Support Will Be Provided for as Long as Technically Possible - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/nczmg ] | Aug 05 09:16 | |
| schestowitz | "HAH, I’ll believe it when I see it. For the meantime I’ll be rolling on with Android + F-droid minus google spyware." | Aug 05 09:16 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/launchderp/status/628945158952726528 | Aug 05 11:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@launchderp: @schestowitz That’s a big fat nooooooooooooope. | Aug 05 11:16 | |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer · | Aug 05 11:23 |
| DaemonFC | AT&T isn't really that much better than Sprint. They only scored like 2 points higher for overall reliability in the fourth quarter of 2014, but switch from Sprint to AT&T and use the same amount of data and your bill might go up from $75 with Sprint to $120-130 with AT&T. I looked into it a while back and decided to stay with Sprint on the Best Buy One plan with the Galaxy S6 lease. | Aug 05 11:23 |
| DaemonFC | No unlimited data on AT&T. Also, Sprint stopped throttling right after the Federal Communications Commission told the carriers to knock it off. AT&T kept on doing it and got a fine of more than $100 million. Now AT&T is suing the FCC to protect their right to degrade your service instead of building out their network. | Aug 05 11:23 |
| DaemonFC | AT&T is also responsible for a lot of graft and corruption in our government, since they spend a lot of your money bribing elected officials instead of building out their network. They're a really awful company. They haven't changed at all since the 1990s, when they were actively taking part in those 1-900 number scams. I refuse to do business with them at all. | Aug 05 11:23 |
| DaemonFC | It's amazing how many people complain about AT&T and sign up with them for another two years anyway. Well, they *are* basically an iPhone carrier, so when their network isn't going nuts, your phone probably is. *grin* | Aug 05 11:23 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2015/06/10/fappening-link-to-hundreds-of-icloud-attacks/ | Aug 05 11:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | 'Fappening' Celebrity Nude Leak Suspect Linked To 572 iCloud Hacks - Forbes [ http://ur1.ca/nd0nh ] | Aug 05 11:25 | |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Aug 05 11:34 |
| DaemonFC | 1 min · Edited · | Aug 05 11:34 |
| DaemonFC | Nice! | Aug 05 11:34 |
| DaemonFC | Nice! Now if he could just do something about the "right to life" shock jocks that post pictures of aborted fetuses on Facebook. Who wants to see that shit? Purely for shock and awe. The yuck factor. These people are nuts and assholes. | Aug 05 11:34 |
| DaemonFC | http://bit.ly/Facebook-stands-with-PP | Aug 05 11:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.lifenews.com | Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg Donates $992 Million to Charity Funding Planned Parenthood | LifeNews.com | Aug 05 11:34 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.zdnet.com/article/libreoffice-5-the-best-office-suite-today-wont-cost-you-a-dime/ | Aug 05 12:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | LibreOffice 5: The best office suite today won't cost you a dime | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/ncs1u ] | Aug 05 12:05 | |
| DaemonFC | Time to upgrade. | Aug 05 12:05 |
| DaemonFC | There's a 64-bit Windows version now... | Aug 05 12:06 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox is still taking their sweet time, even though out of memory is still their biggest crash on Windows, for like the sixth year in a row, due to the release version still only being 32-bit. | Aug 05 12:07 |
| DaemonFC | You can use 64-bit Firefox, but you have to be on at least the beta channel right now. | Aug 05 12:07 |
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| cubexyz | kind of funny but not really: | Aug 05 12:25 |
| cubexyz | This just beats all! I picked up a gallon of apple juice at our local grocery, and on the side of the jug it says, 'Contains Concentrate from China'. Huh? What the heck! America can't even bottle their own apple juice any more? | Aug 05 12:26 |
| abeNd-org | cubexyz: sadly not | Aug 05 12:38 |
| abeNd-org | it is scary how much food we import from .ch & .mx completely unchecked | Aug 05 12:38 |
| DaemonFC | cubexyz, If you have some vodka on hand, you can make yourself an Anita Bryant. | Aug 05 12:48 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 05 12:48 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6428378 | Aug 05 12:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #DebConf15 , the Annual #Debian Conference, Announced for August 15-22 in Germany http://news.softpedia.com/news/debconf15-the-annual-debian-conference-announced-for-august-15-22-in-germany-488519.shtml | Aug 05 12:49 | |
| schestowitz | "Why are you posting all softpedia links ? Promoting softpedia … agreed that its one dent plays for windows apps …wonder why would linux users bother about the linux version of softpedia ?" | Aug 05 12:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | DebConf15, the Annual Debian Conference, Announced for August 15-22 in Germany - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/nd1ds ] | Aug 05 12:49 | |
| schestowitz | Softpedia news is dominated by Linux/BSD news these days | Aug 05 12:49 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6429062 | Aug 05 12:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: EXWM: Turning Emacs Into An X Window Manager http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=EXWM-Window-Manager #gnu #emacs #exwm | Aug 05 12:50 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 05 12:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.phoronix.com | EXWM: Turning Emacs Into An X Window Manager - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/ncybq ] | Aug 05 12:50 | |
| schestowitz | That was the missing functionality in Emacs that everybody has been waiting for … At least I can choose whether to use Emacs or not, unlike systemd. | Aug 05 12:50 |
| schestowitz | That reminds me: when is systemd having to have an X Window Manager? | Aug 05 12:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 05 12:50 |
| schestowitz | Patience is a virtue... | Aug 05 12:50 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6429214 | Aug 05 12:50 |
| schestowitz | "exactly- the ‘I’m alright Jack, pull the ladder up’ attitude has to go" | Aug 05 12:50 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/wMayu9aIkO | Aug 05 13:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 05 13:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz | Aug 05 13:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Aug 05 13:35 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Google v Oracle case is getting about as | Aug 05 13:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | laggy as those old Android devices! | Aug 05 13:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/KCrOyeeeTj (www.linuxveda.com) | Aug 05 13:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxveda.com | The Google v Oracle case is getting about as laggy as those old Android devices! - Linux Veda | Aug 05 13:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android TV FAQ: Everything you need to know | Aug 05 13:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | about Android for your living room | Aug 05 13:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/hlAogTeJG0 (www.greenbot.com) | Aug 05 13:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.greenbot.com | Android TV FAQ: Everything you need to know about Android for your living room | Greenbot | Aug 05 13:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Parrot quietly cancels highly anticipated, | Aug 05 13:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android-powered RNB6 car stereo | Aug 05 13:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/dJjuaJYGBW (www.cnet.com) | Aug 05 13:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnet.com | Parrot quietly cancels highly anticipated, Android-powered RNB6 car stereo - CNET | Aug 05 13:43 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android One reaches Thailand with the i-mobile | Aug 05 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | IQ II http://t.co/fHaAEYzwjM (www.gsmarena.com) | Aug 05 13:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gsmarena.com | Android One reaches Thailand with the i-mobile IQ II - GSMArena.com news | Aug 05 13:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines UK Government Squirming To Escape Being Crushed | Aug 05 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | By Non-FREE Software Licences | Aug 05 13:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | UK Government Squirming To Escape Being Crushed By Non-FREE Software Licences | Tux Machines | Aug 05 13:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Black Lab Enterprise Linux 6.6 Released | Aug 05 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/0bRy9MNwoG (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 05 13:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Black Lab Enterprise Linux 6.6 Released | Tux Machines | Aug 05 13:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Here's proof that Apple fanboys actually adore | Aug 05 13:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android http://t.co/jRp4O3WoNJ | Aug 05 13:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Here's proof that Apple fanboys actually adore Android | Tux Machines | Aug 05 13:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Erle-Spider Is a Six-Legged Drone Powered by | Aug 05 13:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu Snappy Core http://t.co/aWtHo29Gh6 | Aug 05 13:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 05 13:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Erle-Spider Is a Six-Legged Drone Powered by Ubuntu Snappy Core | Tux Machines | Aug 05 13:59 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines More Oxide Security Issues Have Been Fixed in | Aug 05 13:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu 15.04 and Ubuntu 14.04 LTS | Aug 05 13:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | More Oxide Security Issues Have Been Fixed in Ubuntu 15.04 and Ubuntu 14.04 LTS | Tux Machines | Aug 05 13:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora 22 release event in Pune | Aug 05 13:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/2UQAV3vMwx (kushaldas.in) | Aug 05 13:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kushaldas.in | Fedora 22 release event in Pune | Aug 05 13:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Who says Linux isn’t good for gaming? It’s got | Aug 05 14:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | a Steam exclusive now! http://t.co/KuhhQyI4SL | Aug 05 14:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxveda.com | Who says Linux isn't good for gaming? It's got a Steam exclusive now! - Linux Veda | Aug 05 14:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.linuxveda.com) | Aug 05 14:00 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @stefanmathez favourited 'Who says Linux isn’t good for gaming? It’s...' | Aug 05 14:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora developer portal http://t.co/0jlRrFOuXH | Aug 05 14:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (phracek.livejournal.com) | Aug 05 14:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-phracek.livejournal.com | phracek: Fedora developer portal | Aug 05 14:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Homefront: The Revolution Still Coming To | Aug 05 14:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux, New Trailer & Details Emerge | Aug 05 14:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/LrcEcPELOF (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 05 14:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Homefront: The Revolution Still Coming To Linux, New Trailer & Details Emerge | GamingOnLinux | Aug 05 14:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Interview With The Developers Of Cossacks 3, | Aug 05 14:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Which Is Coming To Linux | Aug 05 14:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/YtUSggXT32 (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 05 14:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Interview With The Developers Of Cossacks 3, Which Is Coming To Linux | GamingOnLinux | Aug 05 14:06 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6429006 | Aug 05 14:33 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 05 14:33 |
| schestowitz | Sorry, there are… | Aug 05 14:33 |
| schestowitz | sudo apt-add-repository ppa:libreoffice/ppa | Aug 05 14:33 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 05 14:33 |
| schestowitz | "But there is still no ppa for version 5. Is it?" | Aug 05 14:33 |
| schestowitz | "Probably still have to build from source. Wait for it to be packaged in a ppa, or to be added to you distro’s repos if you don’t want to do that." | Aug 05 14:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post? | Aug 05 14:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Aquaria Now Available DRM Free On GOG For Linux | Aug 05 14:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/VT8nzIoYDA (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 05 14:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Aquaria Now Available DRM Free On GOG For Linux | GamingOnLinux | Aug 05 14:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Trine 3: The Artifacts Of Power Linux Version | Aug 05 14:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | In Progress https://t.co/anj202FfER | Aug 05 14:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 05 14:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Trine 3: The Artifacts Of Power Linux Version In Progress | GamingOnLinux | Aug 05 14:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Black Lab Enterprise Linux 6.6 Released | Aug 05 14:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/jiqg8izbuG (www.pc-opensystems.com) | Aug 05 14:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pc-opensystems.com | Black Lab Software Inc.: Black Lab Enterprise Linux 6.6 Released | Aug 05 14:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines More Oxide Security Issues Have Been Fixed in | Aug 05 14:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu 15.04 and Ubuntu 14.04 LTS | Aug 05 14:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/65W0KmfzbU (linux.softpedia.com) | Aug 05 14:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | More Oxide Security Issues Have Been Fixed in Ubuntu 15.04 and Ubuntu 14.04 LTS - Softpedia | Aug 05 14:42 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @Cipherhouse retweeted @tuxmachines: 'More Oxide Security Issues Have Been Fixed in...' | Aug 05 14:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Qt Purchasing Module Might Come To Qt 5.6 For | Aug 05 14:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Offering In-App Purchases | Aug 05 14:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Qt Purchasing Module Might Come To Qt 5.6 For Offering In-App Purchases - Phoronix | Aug 05 14:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat Announces General Availability of Red | Aug 05 14:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Hat Enterprise Linux OpenStack Platform 7 | Aug 05 14:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.marketwatch.com | Red Hat Announces General Availability of Red Hat Enterprise Linux OpenStack Platform 7 - MarketWatch | Aug 05 14:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora Linux May Further Demote i686 Support | Aug 05 14:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Fedora Linux May Further Demote i686 Support - Phoronix | Aug 05 14:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tizen Developer Summit give-away device, | Aug 05 14:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Samsung TM1 lands at Tizen Experts | Aug 05 14:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | [Pictures] Tizen Developer Summit give-away device, Samsung TM1 lands at Tizen Experts - Tizen Experts | Aug 05 14:47 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Cumulus Releases VX Virtual Appliance Edition | Aug 05 15:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of its Linux OS http://t.co/S4n4lZuhk1 | Aug 05 15:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.convergedigest.com) http://t.co/yG23tjTRre | Aug 05 15:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.convergedigest.com | Cumulus Releases VX Virtual Appliance Edition of its Linux OS ~ Converge! Network Digest | Aug 05 15:13 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fierceenterprisecommunications.com | Cumulus wants you to try open networking with its new virtual appliance - FierceEnterpriseCommunications | Aug 05 15:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/6ebkHrIF5C (www.eweek.com) | Aug 05 15:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eweek.com | Cumulus Offers VX Virtual Appliance for Testing, Development | Aug 05 15:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Twin Robots 2D Platformer Lands on Steam for | Aug 05 15:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux | Aug 05 15:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Twin Robots 2D Platformer Lands on Steam for Linux - Softpedia | Aug 05 15:13 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Jamie Zawinski is bitching about his flawless Mac again. | Aug 05 16:17 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 05 16:17 |
| MinceR | he wouldn't have got one if he hadn't lost his mind | Aug 05 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | He wrote an AppleScript to help use iTunes, and then complained when they changed the "shuffle" button so that his script couldn't click on it, and there's no documentation from Apple about what to tell your script to click on to have it click the shuffle button. | Aug 05 16:18 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 05 16:18 |
| MinceR | should have stuck to unix | Aug 05 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | Yep. | Aug 05 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer Matt Dalton: Windows 10 is gratis at the moment if you already had a Windows license, although you may have noticed that they raised both the retail and system builder prices, so they took with one hand and gave with the other. Essentially, people building or buying new computers are subsidizing the upgrades for others. | Aug 05 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | From now on, the cost of future upgrades are basically pre-paid, which is what Apple does. | Aug 05 16:26 |
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| MinceR | they learn so much from each other | Aug 05 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | They pick up each others bad habits anyway. :P | Aug 05 16:27 |
| MinceR | that's all they have | Aug 05 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | Windows is better than Mac in the sense that they're both rotten, but Windows is a little less rotten. | Aug 05 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft still hasn't figured out a way to not let you sideload apps. | Aug 05 16:28 |
| MinceR | i'm sure they're working on it | Aug 05 16:28 |
| MinceR | though they'll probably lock down uefi before they do that | Aug 05 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | Not really. | Aug 05 16:28 |
| MinceR | so people won't notice what's going on | Aug 05 16:28 |
| MinceR | they already have a winblows store | Aug 05 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 10 has a slider that says "Allow application sideloading." which lets you install appx programs from outside the Windows Store. | Aug 05 16:28 |
| MinceR | which is what will disappear once the uefi trap is spring | Aug 05 16:29 |
| MinceR | s/rin/run/ | Aug 05 16:29 |
| MinceR | perhaps first only for non-"enterprise" victims | Aug 05 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Classic apps are what Microsoft is calling the software that people actually use. | Aug 05 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | AppX hasn't caught on. | Aug 05 16:30 |
| MinceR | those who followed m$ into the previous rabbit holes will follow them into the next ones too | Aug 05 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think it will in a major way. There's only a few good Windows Store apps, but most are fake/scam/exploitation apps. | Aug 05 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | They did a purge of those a few months ago, but they're starting to come back. | Aug 05 16:31 |
| MinceR | maybe they'll graciously allow "classic" "apps" into the winblows store | Aug 05 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | My favorite one was "Google Chr0me". | Aug 05 16:31 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 05 16:31 |
| MinceR | why not "Google Chrome" with cyrillic 'o'-s? | Aug 05 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | Good question. | Aug 05 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | The cyrillic c is useful too. | Aug 05 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | It lets you say "fuck" when there's a profanity filter. | Aug 05 16:32 |
| MinceR | :) | Aug 05 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | Amazon didn't notice until I posted "Fuck, fuckity, fuck fuck fuck. What's the fucking problem?" | Aug 05 16:32 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 05 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | I do like the flipboard app. | Aug 05 16:33 |
| DaemonFC | The Galaxy S6 comes with a version of it called "Briefing". | Aug 05 16:33 |
| DaemonFC | http://techcrunch.com/2015/08/05/google-and-samsung-will-now-release-monthly-ota-android-security-updates/ | Aug 05 16:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com | Google And Samsung Will Now Release Monthly OTA Android Security Updates | TechCrunch [ http://ur1.ca/nd3gi ] | Aug 05 16:34 | |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Aug 05 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | Just now · | Aug 05 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | Google and Samsung will now push out a monthly security rollup that fixes all known security issues. | Aug 05 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | Good. I'm not happy that it took the Stagefright bug meda feeding frenzy to get them to do the right thing, but Android is a pretty secure OS. If the bug was as easy to exploit as the pro-Apple media would have us believe, then why is there no actual malware targeting it yet? Think about how much money you could make with malware if Android is really a pushover, and it is 4 out of 5 smartphones in use. | Aug 05 16:38 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6430592 | Aug 05 16:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 05 16:39 |
| schestowitz | As such, my test system is an A10-7850K CPU, 8Gbs of 2133Mhz RAM, and AMD R9 290 graphics card, running on Windows 10 Professional 64-bit only because the outstanding Catalyst driver bugs under Linux make this game basically unplayable. | Aug 05 16:40 |
| schestowitz | Yes, definitely a Linux Gamer’s review. ;) | Aug 05 16:40 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 05 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Although, having had experience with our good friend the Catalyst Linux crap, he's...probably right. | Aug 05 16:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post? | Aug 05 16:40 | |
| DaemonFC | It remains to be seen if amdgpu in the kernel will fix any of Catalyst's problems, but it couldn't make it much worse. | Aug 05 16:41 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat eyes SEA expansion, finally sets up | Aug 05 16:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | shop in Malaysia https://t.co/MUoljkCdh8 | Aug 05 16:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.digitalnewsasia.com) | Aug 05 16:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nd3lm | Aug 05 16:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digitalnewsasia.com | Red Hat eyes SEA expansion, finally sets up shop in Malaysia | Digital News Asia | Aug 05 16:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 5 Best Practices for Security in Open Source | Aug 05 16:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Development http://t.co/lezaLsgGsF | Aug 05 16:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 05 16:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nd3ls | Aug 05 16:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 Best Practices for Security in Open Source Development | Tux Machines | Aug 05 16:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The New KDE "Fiber" Web Browser Deciding | Aug 05 16:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Between Qt WebEngine & Chromium | Aug 05 16:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/JHjySssZFh (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 05 16:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nd3lx | Aug 05 16:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The New KDE "Fiber" Web Browser Deciding Between Qt WebEngine & Chromium | Tux Machines | Aug 05 16:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat eyes SEA expansion, finally sets up | Aug 05 16:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | shop in Malaysia http://t.co/f76Ncc69ry | Aug 05 16:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 05 16:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nd3oi | Aug 05 16:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat eyes SEA expansion, finally sets up shop in Malaysia | Tux Machines | Aug 05 16:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Shadow Of Mordor Nvidia Benchmarks On Linux | Aug 05 16:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/bjfSmHjJmO (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 05 16:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nd3oj | Aug 05 16:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Shadow Of Mordor Nvidia Benchmarks On Linux | GamingOnLinux | Aug 05 16:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines DiRT Showdown For Linux Delayed For Polishing | Aug 05 16:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/AffrGHUtHL (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 05 16:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nd3ok | Aug 05 16:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | DiRT Showdown For Linux Delayed For Polishing | GamingOnLinux | Aug 05 16:58 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, It'd probably be better for it to use the one from Chromium. | Aug 05 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | Every KDE/Qt web browser that has tried using the Qtwebkit port has turned into an utter shitpile. | Aug 05 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | Full of bugs and broken features. | Aug 05 17:08 |
| MinceR | http://www.visualcapitalist.com/how-closely-connected-are-the-most-powerful-corporations-in-america/ | Aug 05 17:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.visualcapitalist.com | How Closely Connected are the Most Powerful Corporations? [ http://ur1.ca/nd3sd ] | Aug 05 17:08 | |
| DaemonFC | Basing it on Chromium would give it the benefits of Chromium's security model and instant access to thousands of extensions. | Aug 05 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | It's not really possible to do adblock properly if you base your browser on Qtwebkit. | Aug 05 17:10 |
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| tessier | schestowitz: msg'ing you... | Aug 05 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33772261 | Aug 05 18:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.com | Spyware demo shows how spooks hack mobile phones - BBC News [ http://ur1.ca/nd4bl ] | Aug 05 18:13 | |
| DaemonFC | That's actually pretty clever. It only activates the microphone when there's a certain level of noise in the room, so it should start and stop recording as people are talking. | Aug 05 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | I guess you could whisper and it probably wouldn't pick it up. | Aug 05 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | I mentioned Verify Apps as a defense against malware to someone a while back and they said that "because of Android's fragmentation, most people won't have that.". | Aug 05 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | So I pointed to the usage stats and showed that about 90% of Android users are using 4.2 Jelly Bean or higher, which does have it. | Aug 05 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | iPhone fanboys. They love getting their talking points directly from Apple, don't they? | Aug 05 18:19 |
| MinceR | they'll grab onto any little fragment of hope | Aug 05 18:20 |
| MinceR | to satisfy their cognitive dissonance | Aug 05 18:20 |
| MinceR | after having paid so much for such retarded products of crap quality | Aug 05 18:20 |
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| DaemonFC | http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/google-to-check-android-apps-for-malicious-behaviour-even-after-installation-507122 | Aug 05 18:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gadgets.ndtv.com | Google to check Android apps for malicious behaviour even after installation | NDTV Gadgets [ http://ur1.ca/nd4hj ] | Aug 05 18:29 | |
| DaemonFC | They've been good at scaring people. | Aug 05 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | "recently the top paid app on Android was an anti-virus app which did absolutely nothing at all" | Aug 05 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | http://gadgets.ndtv.com/apps/news/top-paid-app-on-google-play-store-uncovered-as-fake-505783 | Aug 05 18:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gadgets.ndtv.com | Top paid app on Google Play Store uncovered as fake | NDTV Gadgets [ http://ur1.ca/nd4j5 ] | Aug 05 18:34 | |
| DaemonFC | "iOS isn't exempt from the criticism - in March the team behind the official Tor Browser said that a fake Tor Browser filled with adware and spyware was available on the iTunes App Store for several months before being finally removed." | Aug 05 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/03/fake-tor-browser-for-ios-laced-with-adware-spyware-members-warn/ | Aug 05 18:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Fake Tor browser for iOS laced with adware, spyware, members warn | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/nd4jd ] | Aug 05 18:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines This is what Android looks like in 2015 | Aug 05 18:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/WQ1tni2qyD (www.theverge.com) | Aug 05 18:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nd4k5 | Aug 05 18:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | This is what Android looks like in 2015 | The Verge | Aug 05 18:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Leftovers http://t.co/HJ5BzrdpM5 | Aug 05 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 05 18:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Aug 05 18:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nd4k6 | Aug 05 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/2YBClULkRG | Aug 05 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 05 18:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Aug 05 18:39 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jrobertson/status/629057365866844160 | Aug 05 18:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jrobertson: #whoislaughingnow https://t.co/rurjmhHxIS | Aug 05 18:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Before #snowden leaks, saying a lot of the things that right now even the #bbc is saying would have had you called "paranoid" or "crazy" | Aug 05 18:39 | |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Aug 05 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | I like to troll "right to life" people on Facebook. There's a picture of a fetus with "This is not a human being!" on it. | Aug 05 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | Once you have them going, inform them that it's an elephant fetus. | Aug 05 18:48 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 05 18:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/629061728865767424 | Aug 05 18:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: A dog's story. Genetic privacy, as explained by mystery poopers @ruskin147 @schestowitz http://t.co/CRJYycGMcx | Aug 05 18:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.sbs.com.au | Comment: Genetic privacy, as explained by mystery poopers | SBS News | Aug 05 18:51 | |
| DaemonFC | This HBO Now thing could be better. | Aug 05 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | I'm glad there's a way to get HBO without cable now, but they certainly try to stop you from actually using it. | Aug 05 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | First, you can only pay through a mobile platform's app store, even though you can watch it on your PC once you've paid. | Aug 05 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | :/ | Aug 05 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | Then once you go to watch it, bizarre error messages pop up or your video stops playing halfway through and won't stop saying "buffering". | Aug 05 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | For $14.99 a month, you'd hope to have excellent service and an easy way to get to it. | Aug 05 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | Then again, I think all of that can be forgiven because it's still better than dealing with Comcast. | Aug 05 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | With Comcast, you can't just get the channels you want. You have to buy dozens of channels you may not watch, then pay extra for HBO, and then pay more to rent boxes, and then more to watch in HD, and then more to have "DVR" service for the DVR you're already paying to rent. | Aug 05 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | And then, you pay 7% Indiana sales tax, a "utility regulatory recovery fee", and all sorts of other things. | Aug 05 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | They're losing a million customers every year and they act like they can't figure out why. | Aug 05 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | Recently, they admitted that it's because people are going internet-only and then paying ala carte for the TV they watch over the internet. So Comcast has a plan. They're going to raise internet prices. | Aug 05 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | Because it's not enough that you lose your $15 a month bundle discount when you go internet only. | Aug 05 19:03 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, There's a city in Indiana that passed a law that says everyone that lives there is going to have to have their dog's DNA on file. | Aug 05 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | That way, if they find a pile of dog poop, they can run a DNA test on it to find out who isn't picking up the poop. | Aug 05 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | It's one of the wealthier cities, obviously. | Aug 05 19:04 |
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| DaemonFC | Who else would be able to hire a police officer to bag dog poop and send it to a lab? | Aug 05 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Like towels of mass destruction. I guess. | Aug 05 19:19 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6429873 | Aug 05 19:19 |
| schestowitz | "Like towels of mass destruction. I guess." | Aug 05 19:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post? | Aug 05 19:20 | |
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| cubexyz | ok, watched "The Day the Earth Stood Still" 1951 | Aug 05 19:23 |
| cubexyz | pretty good | Aug 05 19:23 |
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| DaemonFC | http://apple.slashdot.org/story/15/08/05/041218/os-x-bug-exploited-to-infect-macs-without-need-for-password?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=facebook | Aug 05 20:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-apple.slashdot.org | OS X Bug Exploited To Infect Macs Without Need For Password - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/nd5cu ] | Aug 05 20:21 | |
| DaemonFC | There's a kernel mod from the guy who discovered the problem that stops it from being exploited. At least, that's what he says it does. | Aug 05 20:22 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: Glad you liked it! | Aug 05 20:45 |
| MinceR | https://thenib.com/step-away-from-the-internet-with-your-hands-above-your-head-a5c4bc0231be | Aug 05 20:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenib.com | Step away from the internet with your hands above your head! — The Nib — Medium [ http://ur1.ca/nd5k3 ] | Aug 05 20:48 | |
| msb__ | Comcast has RT (rt.com) on which is great! At least in SF Bay Area. Chris Hedges, Jesse Ventura, Max Keiser, Lionel (http://lionelmedia.com/) and many other truthtellers. Amazing to see this stuff on American TV! | Aug 05 20:52 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Putin is almost never mentioned on RT. | Aug 05 20:54 |
| MinceR | yeah, they prefer to talk about their enemies | Aug 05 20:54 |
| msb__ | Well, they've been running a story about how Obama is now bombing the Syrian military, even though the State Dept can't come up with any legal justification for it. And they showed several US politicians saying that Bashar Assad must be eliminated, but they don't say why. This is very similar to the US attack on and total destruction of Libya. | Aug 05 21:12 |
| msb__ | The US is an enemy to much of the world. | Aug 05 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Aug 05 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | Just now · | Aug 05 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | "For only $190, women can now have the luxury of owning a pair of jeans with a special opening for a battery pack to charge their phones. Of course, the battery pack doesn't come with the jeans and will set you back another $50. Don't fret, though, because that pack will make sure to charge your iPhone 5 and 5S from zero to 85 percent and your iPhone 6 from zero to 70 percent." | Aug 05 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | Gee, that's neat. I spent $20 on a power pack that can charge my Galaxy S6 four times and fits in the pockets of the jeans I already own..... | Aug 05 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | ZZZZzzzzzz.... | Aug 05 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2015/08/05/now-can-charge-your-iphone-6-with-pair-skinny-jeans/ | Aug 05 21:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.foxnews.com | Now you can charge your iPhone 6 with a pair of skinny jeans | Fox News [ http://ur1.ca/nd5sw ] | Aug 05 21:22 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.engadget.com/2015/08/04/lumia-950-leak/ | Aug 05 21:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com | Images of Microsoft's next flagship Lumia prototype leak out [ http://ur1.ca/nd5tw ] | Aug 05 21:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/ct7ltJ8Eo6 | Aug 05 22:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 05 22:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nd68m | Aug 05 22:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Aug 05 22:21 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/dkavedk/status/629241538904768513 | Aug 06 06:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dkavedk: @schestowitz - 503 err | Aug 06 06:47 | |
| schestowitz | try again | Aug 06 06:47 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/dkavedk/status/629242768041361413 | Aug 06 06:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dkavedk: @schestowitz - nope... You got me | Aug 06 06:52 | |
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| arossdotme-planb | trying to find an artical from a few years ago about creative commons and commercial use and why nc is bad | Aug 06 07:40 |
| cubexyz | nc? | Aug 06 07:42 |
| cubexyz | non commercial I suppose | Aug 06 07:43 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: still around | Aug 06 08:24 |
| oiaohm | nc is non commerical in creative commons. | Aug 06 08:24 |
| cubexyz | why would non commercial be considered bad? | Aug 06 08:27 |
| oiaohm | Depends on country. Australia where I am in very strict. | Aug 06 08:29 |
| oiaohm | http://www.musicrights.com.au/fact-sheets/test123/ | Aug 06 08:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.musicrights.com.au | Music Rights Australia - Fact Sheets [ http://ur1.ca/ndbdf ] | Aug 06 08:29 | |
| oiaohm | Yes you buy a CD you decide to play it in your office at work as some background music and that is on office because CD you bought was only licensed for private usage. | Aug 06 08:30 |
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| oiaohm | non commerical in Australia is very restrictive cubexyz | Aug 06 08:30 |
| oiaohm | I have a lot of creative commons that is license commercial that I can play when I am working cubexyz | Aug 06 08:31 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: playing a non commerical creative commons work in a Office, school using speakers..... without authors permission is technically a breach under Australian rules. Ok it gets more stupid. Now if every person in the room has head phones on you can class them as listerning to it personally so legal. | Aug 06 08:36 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: so it depends on country and how strict commerical usage is defined. | Aug 06 08:36 |
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| arossdotme-planb | oiaohm, thx, didnt know that | Aug 06 09:52 |
| oiaohm | arossdotme-planb: what country are you in. | Aug 06 09:55 |
| arossdotme-planb | uk | Aug 06 09:55 |
| oiaohm | arossdotme-planb: does pay to Look up law. | Aug 06 09:55 |
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| oiaohm | Because what said only applies to Australian define of copyright laws. Australia lacks the common fair use exception. | Aug 06 09:56 |
| oiaohm | But there are other loop holes. | Aug 06 09:56 |
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| arossdotme-planb | yea... i was thinking about other aspects like with the share-a-like clause even with commercial use enabled a £££££ company cant just use the music in there prodction becuase they would have to release the source of there work that uses the music? i dont think that is the case... this old article i remember reading i think answered that and more | Aug 06 09:59 |
| arossdotme-planb | or the section that uses the music? or music based on the music track in question would need to be share-a-like too :) | Aug 06 10:00 |
| oiaohm | Share a like with commercial. I can play where were ever. | Aug 06 10:00 |
| arossdotme-planb | yea but when its mixed into something? | Aug 06 10:01 |
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| oiaohm | arossdotme-planb: mixing something under share alike is exactly right. | Aug 06 10:05 |
| oiaohm | arossdotme-planb: that you are forced to use the same creative common license. | Aug 06 10:05 |
| oiaohm | arossdotme-planb: if it just share alike and you wanted to put on a event and change admission you could. | Aug 06 10:07 |
| oiaohm | arossdotme-planb: or put it on a disc. | Aug 06 10:08 |
| oiaohm | so its a double side sword kind of mess arossdotme-planb | Aug 06 10:08 |
| arossdotme-planb | i understand that people can resale the music | Aug 06 10:08 |
| arossdotme-planb | that helps clear things up | Aug 06 10:09 |
| arossdotme-planb | for me | Aug 06 10:09 |
| oiaohm | I don't say that either choice is wrong. | Aug 06 10:09 |
| arossdotme-planb | yea :) | Aug 06 10:10 |
| oiaohm | As with all licensing it pays to understand what you are allowing and what you are fobidding. | Aug 06 10:10 |
| arossdotme-planb | ive got some live recordings from a small festival, not a commercial type more of a family sort | Aug 06 10:11 |
| oiaohm | That might sound simple but that again is check the laws. | Aug 06 10:11 |
| arossdotme-planb | i love free culture and wanted to release them as such. being pondering how to word it to these young, hopefully upcoming artists | Aug 06 10:12 |
| oiaohm | Note I said Australia does not have fair usage laws but we have other oddities. | Aug 06 10:13 |
| oiaohm | LIke if I had attended event and recorded and tag it here in Australia "unauthorised" I don't need to get permision of the artists to release it. | Aug 06 10:14 |
| arossdotme-planb | we have some sort of fair usage laws but we also have evil Con$ervative gov :( | Aug 06 10:15 |
| oiaohm | Note 1 word is magic. | Aug 06 10:15 |
| oiaohm | here. | Aug 06 10:15 |
| arossdotme-planb | i asked the artists before if i could and pluged into the mix desk | Aug 06 10:15 |
| oiaohm | arossdotme-planb: I normally say get it in writing if you want to release using authorised and not using any copyright exceptions. | Aug 06 10:16 |
| arossdotme-planb | *if they could mind | Aug 06 10:16 |
| oiaohm | and its also nicer to the artist for them to say hey I perfer X options. | Aug 06 10:17 |
| oiaohm | A lot of artist will allow recording for personal usage. | Aug 06 10:17 |
| arossdotme-planb | hmm dont have contact info of them all... if its that formal they wont get released at all | Aug 06 10:17 |
| arossdotme-planb | i think they knew it was with intention to sharing them | Aug 06 10:18 |
| oiaohm | This is a case of not being prepared. | Aug 06 10:18 |
| arossdotme-planb | yep | Aug 06 10:19 |
| oiaohm | Next time have you paperwork in order. It suprising how many of them will just agree. | Aug 06 10:19 |
| arossdotme-planb | its hard enough to get there names let alone copyright details! | Aug 06 10:19 |
| oiaohm | Now you may need to check into UK unathorised. | Aug 06 10:20 |
| arossdotme-planb | this year i was setting up and leaving it on auto so i wasnt around to ask any new pepole.... | Aug 06 10:20 |
| oiaohm | unauthorised" I | Aug 06 10:20 |
| arossdotme-planb | ok ill look into unauth then | Aug 06 10:20 |
| arossdotme-planb | thx | Aug 06 10:20 |
| oiaohm | arossdotme-planb: are you working with event organsises. | Aug 06 10:20 |
| oiaohm | organisers. | Aug 06 10:21 |
| arossdotme-planb | oiaohm, err sort of | Aug 06 10:21 |
| arossdotme-planb | kind-a got a "working" ticket for it | Aug 06 10:21 |
| arossdotme-planb | i think | Aug 06 10:21 |
| oiaohm | Because it is possible to get copyright/release allowance on there applications for the events. | Aug 06 10:21 |
| arossdotme-planb | theres a thought | Aug 06 10:21 |
| oiaohm | Yes check boxs | Aug 06 10:21 |
| oiaohm | With a signature. | Aug 06 10:21 |
| arossdotme-planb | though a fact wack of recs are from the open mic, so no pre agreement | Aug 06 10:22 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Aug 06 10:22 |
| arossdotme-planb | unauth applys for open mic i guess | Aug 06 10:22 |
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| oiaohm | open mic as long as it openly informed that open mic will be recorded and will be released under X license no problems. | Aug 06 10:23 |
| oiaohm | At least here. | Aug 06 10:23 |
| arossdotme-planb | they didnt nessory know about recording... | Aug 06 10:23 |
| oiaohm | That is where trouble starts. | Aug 06 10:23 |
| oiaohm | People can get upset if they are recorded without them knowing and its released. | Aug 06 10:24 |
| arossdotme-planb | i know | Aug 06 10:24 |
| oiaohm | Like it might be legal to do unauthorised but its better to avoid it where possible. | Aug 06 10:24 |
| arossdotme-planb | i get its stressful and they don't want to be judged by a wider audience | Aug 06 10:25 |
| oiaohm | That is where its working with the event. | Aug 06 10:26 |
| oiaohm | Because you could have recorded and unrecorded open mics at the event. | Aug 06 10:26 |
| arossdotme-planb | its a strugle to plug into the mixxer at all let along special things like that. | Aug 06 10:27 |
| arossdotme-planb | its really informal this event, it is what it is. | Aug 06 10:27 |
| oiaohm | Copyright in an informal event is a pain. | Aug 06 10:28 |
| arossdotme-planb | i think i might well sod it and release ones CC and deal with any issues. its a challenge for them to be listened to at all. pepole have been waiting from last year for the recs, i think it will do more good will for me to take risk than not release | Aug 06 10:29 |
| arossdotme-planb | recording at all is all so a pain ;) cus its not vital | Aug 06 10:30 |
| oiaohm | arossdotme-planb: you will need to check out the UK laws on unathorised. | Aug 06 10:32 |
| oiaohm | arossdotme-planb: before you do. | Aug 06 10:32 |
| arossdotme-planb | ok | Aug 06 10:32 |
| oiaohm | Ie not want to dig self into hole. | Aug 06 10:32 |
| arossdotme-planb | i wont blame you noly my self :) | Aug 06 10:32 |
| arossdotme-planb | only | Aug 06 10:32 |
| arossdotme-planb | youve been on help | Aug 06 10:33 |
| oiaohm | Australia we had a court ruling against 1993 that made unauthorised legal here. | Aug 06 10:33 |
| arossdotme-planb | of | Aug 06 10:33 |
| oiaohm | But I don't follow UK rulings. | Aug 06 10:33 |
| oiaohm | It was sony who lost to allow unauthorised. | Aug 06 10:33 |
| arossdotme-planb | i dont expect you too hehe | Aug 06 10:33 |
| arossdotme-planb | UK laws on unathorised copyright? thats what to search right? i assume so | Aug 06 10:34 |
| oiaohm | unauthorised I miss spelt it. | Aug 06 10:34 |
| arossdotme-planb | hehe ok | Aug 06 10:34 |
| arossdotme-planb | thx | Aug 06 10:35 |
| oiaohm | From what I can see UK does not have any such loophole. | Aug 06 10:39 |
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| MinceR | http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3821 | Aug 06 11:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal [ http://ur1.ca/ndd56 ] | Aug 06 11:35 | |
| MinceR | https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/11796194_1127531837260193_3378060273863305250_n.jpg?oh=d1dbb1a5366bd02ff51b22fc13673197&oe=564C3B1D | Aug 06 11:38 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: | Aug 06 11:48 |
| msb__ | try msb_ | Aug 06 11:49 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: Nah, that would not notify. | Aug 06 11:49 |
| msb__ | please | Aug 06 11:49 |
| XRevan86 | msb_: | Aug 06 11:49 |
| msb__ | Damn! It has worked in the past. | Aug 06 11:50 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: Because you had a different nick in a channel. | Aug 06 11:50 |
| MinceR | > http://slashdot.org/poll/2913/eu-foss-conference-id-most-like-to-attend | Aug 06 11:51 |
| MinceR | > best comment: It doesn't matter which meeting you pick, they'll all be part of the systemd conference next year, anyway. | Aug 06 11:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-slashdot.org | Slashdot Poll | EU FOSS conference I'd most like ... [ http://ur1.ca/nddca ] | Aug 06 11:51 | |
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| XRevan86 | msb_: | Aug 06 11:55 |
| msb_ | it worked! now try in pm | Aug 06 11:55 |
| XRevan86 | msb_: It won't work. | Aug 06 11:55 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/629291979130675200 | Aug 06 11:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: “The Dream Of Internet Freedom Is Dying” ICYMI @schestowitz http://t.co/UfYk2Kh3lm | Aug 06 11:58 | |
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| MinceR | so is freedom on general | Aug 06 11:58 |
| MinceR | s/on/in/ | Aug 06 11:59 |
| msb_ | MinceR: I am cautiously optimistic. The Net is spreading info about bad political behavior very rapidly. | Aug 06 12:03 |
| MinceR | and nothing happens | Aug 06 12:04 |
| msb_ | It's much easier now to know what's going on. | Aug 06 12:04 |
| MinceR | except the bad behavior spreads and intensifies | Aug 06 12:04 |
| MinceR | sometimes there's enough protest to hold something up for a while | Aug 06 12:04 |
| msb_ | The worst thing that's been happening is the US destroying nations in the Middle East. | Aug 06 12:05 |
| msb_ | But hopefully the various Eurasian alliances will exert pressure against that. | Aug 06 12:05 |
| msb_ | I think there are only two ways to control people -- weapons and words. | Aug 06 12:06 |
| msb_ | So far in the larger Western nations, it's mostly been words (propaganda). | Aug 06 12:07 |
| msb_ | But with the Net we can broadcast our own TRUE words. | Aug 06 12:07 |
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| msb_ | If the US govt puts soldiers on the streets, most people will recognize that as evil. | Aug 06 12:08 |
| msb_ | So the govt has to use words. But it has to lie, and we can expose their lies. | Aug 06 12:09 |
| MinceR | i doubt those "nations" had a chance of getting much better any time soon anyway | Aug 06 12:09 |
| MinceR | they seem to be even less ready for democracy than hungary is | Aug 06 12:09 |
| msb_ | which nations? | Aug 06 12:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/s0msirem/status/629270063787442176 | Aug 06 12:09 |
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| MinceR | the middle eastern ones | Aug 06 12:09 |
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| msb_ | Libya was pretty good. | Aug 06 12:10 |
| MinceR | of course, it was good from the perspective of someone who likes dictatorships | Aug 06 12:10 |
| msb_ | And the authoritarian secular govts were better than the current authoritarian moslem ones. | Aug 06 12:11 |
| MinceR | if you like islam, that is | Aug 06 12:11 |
| msb_ | MinceR: stop lying about me. I have told you dozens of times that I do NOT like dictatorships. | Aug 06 12:11 |
| MinceR | and then you went back to advertising dictatorships as the best thing since sliced bread | Aug 06 12:11 |
| MinceR | thou doth protest too much | Aug 06 12:12 |
| msb_ | MinceR: stop lying | Aug 06 12:12 |
| msb_ | I protest because you keep lying. | Aug 06 12:12 |
| MinceR | talking about unconfortable facts is not lying | Aug 06 12:12 |
| MinceR | s/con/com/ | Aug 06 12:12 |
| msb_ | quote me where I "advertise dictatorships". | Aug 06 12:12 |
| XRevan86 | I suggest bombing the US, it looks like a corporate dictatorship to me. | Aug 06 12:13 |
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| msb_ | It is, but bombing is not an effective solution, here or elsewhere. | Aug 06 12:14 |
| XRevan86 | I thought that's the thing. | Aug 06 12:14 |
| msb_ | MinceR: quote me where I "advertise dictatorships". | Aug 06 12:14 |
| XRevan86 | Dictatorship → bombing → everybody's happy. | Aug 06 12:14 |
| msb_ | don't understand | Aug 06 12:15 |
| MinceR | msb_: for example your routine advertisements of putler fall into this category | Aug 06 12:15 |
| MinceR | same for your advertisements of gaddafi | Aug 06 12:15 |
| msb_ | MinceR: No they don't. I only say that I'm glad he's opposing mass murder by the US. | Aug 06 12:15 |
| MinceR | so if putin kills you, you die happy | Aug 06 12:16 |
| msb_ | Gaddafi was a good guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJURNC0e6Ek | Aug 06 12:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Libya Truth (DnB Soundtrack) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/jld5s ] | Aug 06 12:16 | |
| msb_ | Putin has no intention of killing me, just stopping the US from killing Russia and others. | Aug 06 12:17 |
| msb_ | I don't like Islam either. It turns people into mindless robots -- disgusting. | Aug 06 12:20 |
| MinceR | it turns many people into corpses | Aug 06 12:21 |
| msb_ | That too. | Aug 06 12:21 |
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| msb_ | MinceR: Why don't you write down your standard accusations against me, and write down my refutations of them. | Aug 06 12:28 |
| MinceR | too much work | Aug 06 12:29 |
| msb_ | Then don't repeat them unless you can disprove the refutations. | Aug 06 12:29 |
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| MinceR | why don't you just enlist in putin's army so you can kill people for his sake | Aug 06 12:29 |
| msb_ | But you keep repeating the same lies. Isn't that work. Useless work when I refute the lies every time. | Aug 06 12:29 |
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| MinceR | you do realize you're not the only one who can randomly throw that word at everything you dislike, right? | Aug 06 12:30 |
| msb_ | MinceR: you are implying that I want to kill people for someone's sake. YOU ARE LYING. I have never said any such thing. | Aug 06 12:30 |
| MinceR | of course, cheering them on from the sidelines is a lot more fun | Aug 06 12:31 |
| msb_ | MinceR: I prove you are lying by challenging you to quote me to prove your lies. And you never can. | Aug 06 12:31 |
| MinceR | it's also easier to tell everyone that their country should be run like north korea if you don't have to live in north korea | Aug 06 12:32 |
| MinceR | i don't tell lies | Aug 06 12:32 |
| MinceR | you call inconvenient facts lies | Aug 06 12:32 |
| msb_ | Then quote me to prove your claims against me. | Aug 06 12:32 |
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| MinceR | i've seen what the people your favorite putin learned his methods from did to my country and i can tell you it was not the pinnacle of freedom or prosperity | Aug 06 12:33 |
| msb_ | That was 60 years ago. | Aug 06 12:33 |
| MinceR | and yet for many people nothing changed | Aug 06 12:33 |
| msb_ | Putin is not applying such methods now. | Aug 06 12:34 |
| MinceR | also, it was also 25 years ago | Aug 06 12:34 |
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| msb_ | I gave you seven alternative news websites, none connected with Russia, that say that the US installed a Nazi govt in Ukraine. | Aug 06 12:35 |
| msb_ | But you still disagree. | Aug 06 12:35 |
| msb_ | Putin must be judged on his current behavior, not the behavior of organizations he was associated with decades ago. | Aug 06 12:36 |
| MinceR | yeah, alternative "news" websites | Aug 06 12:37 |
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| MinceR | where groundless anti-vaxxer hysteria and crackpot theories about reptoids and chemtrails is "news" | Aug 06 12:37 |
| msb_ | Yes, and they pretty much all agree. And they prove their statements with evidence. | Aug 06 12:37 |
| MinceR | and you can tell from afar that they're not connected to russia | Aug 06 12:37 |
| MinceR | even as one of them routinely reposts garbage from RT | Aug 06 12:38 |
| msb_ | I've been watching RT. What it broadcasts is not garbage. | Aug 06 12:38 |
| MinceR | and apparently you can also tell from afar which people's lives should be sacrificed for the sake of your hero | Aug 06 12:38 |
| MinceR | yeah, i've seen how critically you think | Aug 06 12:38 |
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| MinceR | and before you call the ukrainian government nazis, you should learn a thing or two about putin's national socialist tendencies (and those of his admirers) | Aug 06 12:39 |
| msb_ | MinceR: you are lying by implication. I have never said anyone should be sacrificed. Produce quotes or STOP LYING/ | Aug 06 12:39 |
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| MinceR | you've routinely cheered on putler's conquest of ukraine | Aug 06 12:39 |
| MinceR | apparently people of the eastern bloc are expendable to you | Aug 06 12:40 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Putin did not conquer Ukraine. STOP LYING. He brought Crimea into Russia at the Crimeans' request, to protect them from the US Nazis. | Aug 06 12:40 |
| msb_ | and their bombing | Aug 06 12:41 |
| MinceR | yeah, only parts of it, for now | Aug 06 12:41 |
| MinceR | and the war isn't over yet | Aug 06 12:41 |
| MinceR | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqmboHoCcAAgE8z.jpg | Aug 06 12:41 |
| msb_ | Only the parts that REQUEST IT. | Aug 06 12:41 |
| MinceR | who's the nazi now? | Aug 06 12:41 |
| msb_ | You? | Aug 06 12:41 |
| MinceR | you're lying again | Aug 06 12:41 |
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| msb_ | They voted for it. | Aug 06 12:42 |
| MinceR | yeah, at gunpoint | Aug 06 12:42 |
| MinceR | after a demonstration of the russian military in crimea | Aug 06 12:42 |
| msb_ | were there guns in the polling places? | Aug 06 12:42 |
| MinceR | did they need to be in the polling places? | Aug 06 12:42 |
| msb_ | If not, then they could have voted against joining Russia. | Aug 06 12:42 |
| MinceR | are ukrainians so stupid in your opinion that they forget the guns by the time they get to the polling booth? | Aug 06 12:42 |
| MinceR | yes, and then they could have been exterminated | Aug 06 12:43 |
| MinceR | if the usa did the same thing, you'd be outraged about it. | Aug 06 12:43 |
| msb_ | How would the guns affect their vote if the Russians could not know how each person voted? | Aug 06 12:43 |
| MinceR | the russians only need to know and care about the outcome | Aug 06 12:43 |
| msb_ | The US has rigged elections. | Aug 06 12:43 |
| MinceR | prove that russia did not rig that election. | Aug 06 12:44 |
| msb_ | You can't prove a negative. | Aug 06 12:44 |
| MinceR | bullshit. | Aug 06 12:44 |
| msb_ | The whole Ukraine conflict was started by the US installing the Nazi govt. | Aug 06 12:45 |
| MinceR | http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/379/532/43f.gif | Aug 06 12:46 |
| msb_ | http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine/5371554 | Aug 06 12:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | The U.S. has Installed a Neo-Nazi Government in Ukraine | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization [ http://ur1.ca/ji3em ] | Aug 06 12:46 | |
| MinceR | http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcybzwsZUU1qdezf9o1_400.gif | Aug 06 12:47 |
| MinceR | again, the "news" site that repeats RT | Aug 06 12:47 |
| MinceR | yeah, if i wanted to know if the ukrainians were nazis, i'd ask putin too | Aug 06 12:47 |
| msb_ | You want all the other six news sites that say the same thing? | Aug 06 12:47 |
| MinceR | no, i want real news sites that have more clue than repeat what comes out of putler's propaganda machine | Aug 06 12:48 |
| MinceR | i know putler hates everyone who opposes his plans of annexing everything in the eastern bloc without reading six copies of his propaganda. | Aug 06 12:48 |
| msb_ | Prove he has such plans. | Aug 06 12:49 |
| msb_ | And note that all those news sites have their own writers. | Aug 06 12:50 |
| MinceR | he took over crimea, has forces in eastern ukraine and has threatened to attack the baltic states | Aug 06 12:50 |
| MinceR | ooh, they have their "own writers" to copypaste the garbage that comes out of putin's mouthpiece | Aug 06 12:50 |
| msb_ | Global Research http://www.globalresearch.ca/ | Aug 06 12:50 |
| msb_ | Op-Ed News http://www.opednews.com/ | Aug 06 12:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization | Aug 06 12:50 | |
| msb_ | Truth-Out http://www.truth-out.org/ | Aug 06 12:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.opednews.com | Opednews.com Progressive, Liberal United States and International News, Opinion, Op-Eds and Politics | Aug 06 12:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.truth-out.org | Truthout | Fearless, Independent News and Opinion | Aug 06 12:50 | |
| msb_ | Free Critical Thinking http://freecriticalthinking.org/ | Aug 06 12:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freecriticalthinking.org | Home | Aug 06 12:50 | |
| msb_ | Paul Craig Roberts http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/ | Aug 06 12:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.paulcraigroberts.org | Paul Craig Roberts - Official Homepage | Aug 06 12:50 | |
| msb_ | Common Dreams http://www.commondreams.org/ | Aug 06 12:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for the Progressive Community | Aug 06 12:50 | |
| msb_ | TomDispatch http://www.tomdispatch.com/ | Aug 06 12:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomdispatch.com | TomDispatch | Aug 06 12:50 | |
| MinceR | he even threatened to use nukes | Aug 06 12:50 |
| msb_ | Provide a reference. | Aug 06 12:51 |
| MinceR | but of course you don't care because they wouldn't land on you | Aug 06 12:51 |
| msb_ | Provide a reference. | Aug 06 12:51 |
| MinceR | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/11167192/Vladimir-Putin-issues-new-large-nuclear-power-warning-to-West.html | Aug 06 12:51 |
| msb_ | Provide a reference regarding nukes and also baltic states. | Aug 06 12:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.telegraph.co.uk | Vladimir Putin issues new 'large nuclear power' warning to West - Telegraph [ http://ur1.ca/nddzt ] | Aug 06 12:51 | |
| MinceR | http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/order-from-chaos/posts/2015/04/01-putin-nuclear-threats-meaning | Aug 06 12:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.brookings.edu | Apocalypse a bit later: The meaning of Putin’s nuclear threats | Brookings Institution [ http://ur1.ca/nde01 ] | Aug 06 12:52 | |
| MinceR | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11106195/Putin-privately-threatened-to-invade-Poland-Romania-and-the-Baltic-states.html | Aug 06 12:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.telegraph.co.uk | Putin 'privately threatened to invade Poland, Romania and the Baltic states' - Telegraph [ http://ur1.ca/nde09 ] | Aug 06 12:53 | |
| MinceR | apparently even poland and romania | Aug 06 12:53 |
| MinceR | http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-reviews-baltic-states-independence-2015-6 | Aug 06 12:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | Russia reviews Baltic states' independence - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/nde0k ] | Aug 06 12:53 | |
| msb_ | This was ALLEGED by the current president of the NAZI Ukraine regime. | Aug 06 12:56 |
| MinceR | read the next article | Aug 06 12:56 |
| MinceR | funny how putin's allegations are sacred scripture to you | Aug 06 12:57 |
| msb_ | " there would be no legal consequences if the recognition of the three Baltic states was to be found illegal." | Aug 06 12:58 |
| MinceR | and yet it conveniently pops up and is advertised while putin's having his little adventure | Aug 06 12:58 |
| MinceR | but i'm sure it has no meaning whatsoever | Aug 06 12:58 |
| msb_ | MinceR: "<MinceR> funny how putin's allegations are sacred scripture to you" STOP LYING AND EXAGGERATING. | Aug 06 12:59 |
| MinceR | https://euobserver.com/defence/125807 | Aug 06 12:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-euobserver.com | Could Putin's troops 'be in Warsaw in two days'? | Aug 06 12:59 | |
| MinceR | but i'm sure putler taking over half of europe would make for comfortable viewing from your armchair behind the usian missile shield | Aug 06 13:00 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Since Putin has not intention of putting troops in Warsaw , THAT IS LYING PROPAGANDA. | Aug 06 13:00 |
| MinceR | that's a lie | Aug 06 13:00 |
| MinceR | putler wants everything | Aug 06 13:00 |
| msb_ | No, you are willing to lie about everything. | Aug 06 13:01 |
| MinceR | this also shows that you're unwilling to do your research | Aug 06 13:01 |
| msb_ | It's impossible to have a rational discussion with you because you keep making things up. | Aug 06 13:01 |
| MinceR | you're only willing to read garbage "news" sites that relay putin's propaganda | Aug 06 13:01 |
| MinceR | and you pretend that's the whole truth there is | Aug 06 13:01 |
| MinceR | it's impossible to have a rational discussion with you because you're infatuated with putin and other dictators | Aug 06 13:02 |
| msb_ | MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT WHAT I THINK. | Aug 06 13:02 |
| MinceR | you ignore everything that doesn't support your fantasies | Aug 06 13:02 |
| msb_ | I give articles reporting actual facts. | Aug 06 13:03 |
| msb_ | You give articles from the fascist empire that imagine Putin's intentions. | Aug 06 13:03 |
| MinceR | no, you give articles that repeat lies from putin's propaganda machine | Aug 06 13:03 |
| MinceR | you also ignore where putin comes from | Aug 06 13:04 |
| msb_ | You trust corporate/govt media. I trust independent media. | Aug 06 13:04 |
| msb_ | It doesn't matter where he came from . What matters is what he actually does. | Aug 06 13:05 |
| MinceR | you trust russian government media and sites that repost any ludicrous bullshit they can find and pretend it's independent | Aug 06 13:05 |
| msb_ | The non-Russian sites that I quote give actual facts, testimony and pictures. | Aug 06 13:06 |
| msb_ | MinceR: You only quote corporate/govt/fascist sites that give unproven claims and speculation. | Aug 06 13:06 |
| MinceR | msb_: you label any site that says something you don't like as fascist | Aug 06 13:07 |
| MinceR | msb_: you label everyone who disagrees with you as fascist and/or nazi | Aug 06 13:07 |
| MinceR | it is impossible to have an honest, reasonable discussion with you | Aug 06 13:07 |
| msb_ | No, I label as fascist corporate/govt sites. | Aug 06 13:07 |
| MinceR | (interestingly, the russian commies also labeled everyone who disagreed with them as fascist) | Aug 06 13:07 |
| msb_ | Because they provably lie. | Aug 06 13:07 |
| DaemonFC | http://learnbonds.com/122316/microsoft-corporation-msft-windows-10-is-murdering-some-pcs/ | Aug 06 13:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-learnbonds.com | Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) Windows 10 Upgrade Renders PCs Unusable [ http://ur1.ca/nde5q ] | Aug 06 13:07 | |
| MinceR | where "provably" means "gainsaid by a site that also believes that chemtrails exist and vaccines cause autism" | Aug 06 13:08 |
| MinceR | msb_: you scream about a few nazis in the ukrainian government while turning a blind eye to how the russian government tramples human rights and colludes with a cult | Aug 06 13:09 |
| msb_ | Did you watch the videos on http://geoengineeringwatch.org/ ? | Aug 06 13:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geoengineeringwatch.org | Geoengineering Watch | Exposing the climate engineering/geoengineering cover-up | Aug 06 13:09 | |
| MinceR | i've seen enough chemtrail bullshit already | Aug 06 13:09 |
| msb_ | So no, you refuse to access the evidence. | Aug 06 13:09 |
| DaemonFC | He could have re-installed Windows 7 and then tried to upgrade to Windows 10 again. | Aug 06 13:09 |
| MinceR | msb_: you lie. | Aug 06 13:09 |
| DaemonFC | Even if the recovery partition is messed up, you can do it from an ISO and just enter the serial that's in your BIOS. | Aug 06 13:10 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, you'd have to know that. | Aug 06 13:10 |
| msb_ | There are dozens of videos showing kids that were made autistic by vaccines. | Aug 06 13:10 |
| MinceR | there are dozens of videos showing kids and alleging that they were made autistic by vaccines | Aug 06 13:11 |
| MinceR | fixed that for you | Aug 06 13:11 |
| msb_ | MinceR: So you simply refuse to believe any evidence I give you. | Aug 06 13:11 |
| MinceR | nutcases blabber on about how the mercury in thiomersal turns kids autistic, even though it's absent from most vaccines and is not elemental mercury | Aug 06 13:12 |
| MinceR | msb_: i simply refuse to believe bullshit that is not evidence. | Aug 06 13:12 |
| msb_ | Non-elemental mercury: http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19970914&slug=2560362 | Aug 06 13:13 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/gadgets/hackers-stealing-data-ios-major-security-flaw-n405061 | Aug 06 13:17 |
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| DaemonFC | "Hackers are taking advantage of vulnerability in Apple's iOS mobile operating system to install malicious software disguised as popular apps such as Facebook, Twitter and WhatsApp to steal personal information. | Aug 06 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | The installation happens when a user clicks a link that may have been sent to them via email, text message or even a fake advertisement on a website, according to a new report by cybersecurity firm FireEye. | Aug 06 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | A fake and malicious app is installed that looks like the legitimate version on a user's device. And unlike the normal version of the app, the hacker's version can steal sensitive information and send it back to a remote server. " | Aug 06 13:17 |
| MinceR | msb_: sorry, i don't have any more time to deal with your lies and propaganda, i have errands to run | Aug 06 13:17 |
| msb_ | Be careful you don't get run over by a bus. | Aug 06 13:18 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx13ZBHMSG4ST1U | Aug 06 13:34 |
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| schestowitz | [18:08] <MinceR> where "provably" means "gainsaid by a site that also believes that chemtrails exist and vaccines cause autism" | Aug 06 14:11 |
| schestowitz | I just caught up with this long conversation | Aug 06 14:11 |
| schestowitz | the sites msb_ recommends hardly promote these theories | Aug 06 14:11 |
| schestowitz | unless he advocates sites not in the list he gave | Aug 06 14:12 |
| schestowitz | Putin did prepare nukes when the ukraine conflict started | Aug 06 14:12 |
| schestowitz | as a backup plan or just in case | Aug 06 14:12 |
| schestowitz | what he's alleged to have said was covered in CIA-leaning sites | Aug 06 14:12 |
| schestowitz | even the Torygraph | Aug 06 14:12 |
| schestowitz | I think the point he was making is, IF he wanted, he could invade | Aug 06 14:12 |
| schestowitz | but that doesn't mean that he will invade | Aug 06 14:12 |
| schestowitz | I think he's a real dick (putinin), but not much worse than US oligarchs | Aug 06 14:13 |
| schestowitz | he was in KGB for many years, he's not dumb | Aug 06 14:13 |
| msb_ | Correct. And everything between Russia and Ukraine was quiet until the US installed the Nazi govt in Ukraine. | Aug 06 14:14 |
| schestowitz | NATO still wants to crush his nations, he can't just totally sit idly while US engages in espionage against Russia | Aug 06 14:14 |
| schestowitz | Snowden's leaks and Wikileaks before him show just how actively the US tries to derail BRIC nations | Aug 06 14:14 |
| schestowitz | even allies like India | Aug 06 14:14 |
| schestowitz | They're all major "targets" | Aug 06 14:14 |
| schestowitz | Russians would be wise to do counterespionage (there's another term for it in German) | Aug 06 14:15 |
| schestowitz | there's a fancy word for it | Aug 06 14:15 |
| schestowitz | when it's sort of done defensively | Aug 06 14:15 |
| schestowitz | like cracking that who spies on you to see how he or she breaks into your systems | Aug 06 14:15 |
| schestowitz | US did some of that in NK | Aug 06 14:15 |
| schestowitz | before hypocritically accusing NK of breaking into Sony (then China re OPM, after NSA had cracked Huawei and CN gov.) | Aug 06 14:16 |
| schestowitz | I'm more afraid of Russia than the US | Aug 06 14:16 |
| schestowitz | but US is currently far more destructive than Russia, and far more powerful | Aug 06 14:16 |
| msb_ | Well, the US isn't going to attack England. | Aug 06 14:16 |
| schestowitz | right | Aug 06 14:16 |
| schestowitz | if I was in Hungary, I'd be thinking more like MinceR | Aug 06 14:17 |
| schestowitz | east Europe is treated like the lost treasures of USSR, which Putin served while in KGB | Aug 06 14:17 |
| schestowitz | Same with Alaska | Aug 06 14:17 |
| msb_ | He thinks that way because of Soviet actions against Hungary 60 years ago. | Aug 06 14:18 |
| msb_ | He admits it. | Aug 06 14:18 |
| schestowitz | Historically, the Russia-Scotland-England situation is tricky | Aug 06 14:18 |
| schestowitz | like Cuban missile crisis | Aug 06 14:18 |
| schestowitz | and our stupid Tory leaders compare Putin to Hitler | Aug 06 14:18 |
| schestowitz | who attacked USSR | Aug 06 14:18 |
| schestowitz | killing 10 million Russians | Aug 06 14:18 |
| schestowitz | As if Cameron and the 'royal' family aren't being provocative | Aug 06 14:19 |
| msb_ | The Cuban missile crisis was actually the NATO missile crisis. | Aug 06 14:19 |
| msb_ | More like 20-30 million. | Aug 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz | if anything, it's them who have blood relation/proximity to Hitler | Aug 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz | inc. political support pre-ww2 | Aug 06 14:19 |
| schestowitz | msb_: depends if you also count Stalin killing his own people | Aug 06 14:19 |
| msb_ | Wealthy US businessmen financed Hitler 75%. I've given the url. | Aug 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz | or if you factor that in as externality of war time | Aug 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz | msb_: not all of them | Aug 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz | but some | Aug 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz | some with german roots, I suppose | Aug 06 14:20 |
| msb_ | right | Aug 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz | or west european | Aug 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz | same goes for Brits | Aug 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz | Some Nazis were openly pro-hitler inside the UK | Aug 06 14:20 |
| schestowitz | But it's embarrassing even for them after the wat | Aug 06 14:21 |
| schestowitz | *war | Aug 06 14:21 |
| schestowitz | The US was pro-Nazi in German ethnic sections | Aug 06 14:21 |
| msb_ | http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_Nazis | Aug 06 14:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone | Aug 06 14:21 | |
| schestowitz | To the point of doing lots of the same Nazis did in the early 30s | Aug 06 14:21 |
| schestowitz | this too isn't talked about much | Aug 06 14:21 |
| msb_ | Those American businessmen financed Hitler to destroy socialism. | Aug 06 14:22 |
| msb_ | It had nothing to do with German ethnicity. | Aug 06 14:22 |
| schestowitz | you could be in some city in the US, seeing blacks lynched one day and Jews beaten up on another, the US was very racist at the time | Aug 06 14:22 |
| schestowitz | not socialism | Aug 06 14:22 |
| schestowitz | Hitler was National Socialist | Aug 06 14:22 |
| schestowitz | neither left nor right, he claimed | Aug 06 14:22 |
| msb_ | They didn't want countries to go socialist because it would kill their profits. | Aug 06 14:22 |
| schestowitz | maybe you mean communist | Aug 06 14:23 |
| schestowitz | Bolsheviks | Aug 06 14:23 |
| schestowitz | Marxist | Aug 06 14:23 |
| msb_ | "National Socialist" was a lying propaganda term. | Aug 06 14:23 |
| schestowitz | it's what they called themselves | Aug 06 14:23 |
| msb_ | They called themselves that because socialism was popular at the time. | Aug 06 14:23 |
| schestowitz | that's like saying Democrats don't believe they promote democracy | Aug 06 14:23 |
| msb_ | But they killed socialists everywhere they could. | Aug 06 14:24 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I think that's how US democrats work. | Aug 06 14:24 |
| schestowitz | Bolsheviks | Aug 06 14:24 |
| XRevan86 | labels != ideas | Aug 06 14:24 |
| schestowitz | groups that were pro-Marxist were hounded | Aug 06 14:24 |
| msb_ | Socialism kills the 99% profits going to the 1% capitalist owners | Aug 06 14:24 |
| schestowitz | See who's blamed for Reichstag fire | Aug 06 14:25 |
| XRevan86 | It's like saying North Korea is communist because they like red. | Aug 06 14:25 |
| msb_ | That's why capitalists attacked socialists/communists/Marxists. | Aug 06 14:25 |
| schestowitz | so it goes to 1% of the pyramid schemers in so-called marxism | Aug 06 14:25 |
| schestowitz | !google list of russian oligarchs | Aug 06 14:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Russian oligarch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_oligarch | Aug 06 14:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - List of Russian people by net worth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_people_by_net_worth | Aug 06 14:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - The Russian Oligarchs | Who's living the most obscenely ... | http://www.therussianoligarchs.com/ | Aug 06 14:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Russian oligarchs that own western companies - Business Insider | http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-oligarchs-that-own-western-companies-2015-2%3Fop%3D1 | Aug 06 14:25 |
| msb_ | Not in Venezuela, Libya, Vietnam, Cuba | Aug 06 14:26 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: they call themselves people's and democracy | Aug 06 14:26 |
| schestowitz | they're like singapore | Aug 06 14:26 |
| schestowitz | necropoly | Aug 06 14:26 |
| schestowitz | worshiping that arsehole who claims to have founded Singapore | Aug 06 14:26 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: That doesn't make them democratic, right? | Aug 06 14:26 |
| schestowitz | meaning, separated the city from Malaysia | Aug 06 14:26 |
| msb_ | There are actual real socialist nations, where the profits go to the workers. | Aug 06 14:27 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: And so Nazi Germany can take their socialism claims where they got them. | Aug 06 14:27 |
| XRevan86 | (21:25:20) schestowitz: so it goes to 1% of the pyramid schemers in so-called marxism | Aug 06 14:27 |
| XRevan86 | (21:25:28) schestowitz: !google list of russian oligarchs | Aug 06 14:27 |
| XRevan86 | that I don't understand | Aug 06 14:27 |
| schestowitz | fascism and socialism are labels | Aug 06 14:27 |
| schestowitz | Did Stalin and Lenon use these? | Aug 06 14:28 |
| msb_ | But they are labels of opposites. | Aug 06 14:28 |
| schestowitz | *Lenin | Aug 06 14:28 |
| msb_ | Fascism=Corporatism has the profits going to the richest 0.1% | Aug 06 14:28 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Imagine there's no countries :) | Aug 06 14:28 |
| XRevan86 | and no religion too | Aug 06 14:28 |
| msb_ | Socialism distributes profits fairly equally among everyone. | Aug 06 14:28 |
| schestowitz | msb_: that's not what fascism is | Aug 06 14:28 |
| schestowitz | it's what it often becomes in practice | Aug 06 14:29 |
| schestowitz | esp. in NATO | Aug 06 14:29 |
| msb_ | That's what it was in Germany. | Aug 06 14:29 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Terms can easily be misused. And that's what is being done a lot. | Aug 06 14:29 |
| msb_ | That | Aug 06 14:29 |
| schestowitz | there's classic definition | Aug 06 14:29 |
| schestowitz | when they're made up | Aug 06 14:29 |
| msb_ | That's why those wealthy americans supported it. | Aug 06 14:29 |
| schestowitz | then de facto | Aug 06 14:29 |
| schestowitz | and distorted, present | Aug 06 14:29 |
| schestowitz | Now the word "libertarian" means something like Rand and Ron Paul | Aug 06 14:30 |
| schestowitz | who are more like GOP in terms of many of their policies | Aug 06 14:30 |
| schestowitz | !google chomsky explains libertarian | Aug 06 14:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Noam Chomsky Explains Libertarian Socialism - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DsCN7Ykle4r0 | Aug 06 14:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Noam Chomsky educates AnCap about Libertarianism - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DGUs_Q_rfl9I | Aug 06 14:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Noam Chomsky on Libertarians and Ron Paul - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DAwQEgOKEEXI | Aug 06 14:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Noam Chomsky: The Kind of Anarchism I Believe in, and What's ... | http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/noam-chomsky-kind-anarchism-i-believe-and-whats-wrong-libertarians | Aug 06 14:30 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Totally unrelated to the present discussion. | Aug 06 14:31 |
| schestowitz | right now anarchism just alludes to primitivist sub-type | Aug 06 14:31 |
| schestowitz | like Unabomber | Aug 06 14:31 |
| msb_ | Hitler attacked the USSR and murdered 20 million. | Aug 06 14:31 |
| schestowitz | 10m troops | Aug 06 14:31 |
| msb_ | XRevan86 says 30 million. | Aug 06 14:31 |
| schestowitz | a little short of that | Aug 06 14:31 |
| schestowitz | Stalin 'helped' by killing his own people, and east Europeans whom he deemed unworthy of life | Aug 06 14:31 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties | Aug 06 14:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | World War II casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/ikzcj ] | Aug 06 14:32 | |
| msb_ | If the Nazis had been socialists they would not have attacked the USSR. | Aug 06 14:33 |
| MinceR | i think the current situation with russia proves that russia didn't change at all and didn't learn anything since the soviet union existed. | Aug 06 14:33 |
| schestowitz | "Officially, roughly 8.7 million Soviet soldiers died in the course of the war." | Aug 06 14:33 |
| MinceR | and that should be worrying to everyone in the civilized world | Aug 06 14:33 |
| msb_ | Plus many Russian civilians. | Aug 06 14:34 |
| MinceR | 202353 < msb_> They called themselves that because socialism was popular at the time. | Aug 06 14:34 |
| MinceR | yet fascism and state socialism function very similarly | Aug 06 14:34 |
| MinceR | in practice | Aug 06 14:34 |
| msb_ | Not in Venezuela, Libya, Vietnam, Cuba | Aug 06 14:35 |
| MinceR | afaik the north korean regime and ideology descends from the brand of state socialism that russia promoted | Aug 06 14:35 |
| MinceR | afaik venezuela and cuba are little different | Aug 06 14:36 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: No, you're wrong. | Aug 06 14:36 |
| MinceR | i haven't looked into libya too deeply yet (apparently they called themselves socialist) | Aug 06 14:36 |
| XRevan86 | What else can I answer to all that categorical stuff? | Aug 06 14:36 |
| MinceR | vietnam seems to be pursuing a methodology similar to that of red china | Aug 06 14:36 |
| msb_ | In those nations ordinary working people get most of the profits. | Aug 06 14:37 |
| schestowitz | is there a non-red China? | Aug 06 14:37 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: you could take a page from msb_'s book and flat out scream that i'm lying. | Aug 06 14:37 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: yes, the republic of china, also known as taiwan | Aug 06 14:37 |
| schestowitz | ah, rpc? | Aug 06 14:37 |
| schestowitz | taiwan claims independence | Aug 06 14:37 |
| schestowitz | and would fight for it (people would) | Aug 06 14:37 |
| schestowitz | but china keeps them boiling like a frog in the pot | Aug 06 14:37 |
| XRevan86 | > afaik the north korean regime and ideology descends from the brand of state socialism that russia promoted | Aug 06 14:38 |
| schestowitz | they got em by the balls, taipei has high gdp and prides itself in the national brand, might as well use the "taiwan" name for marketing | Aug 06 14:38 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: "Cargo cult" descends from civilization in a similiar way. | Aug 06 14:38 |
| *schestowitz thought NK -like VT - inspired mostly by Chinese across the border, not Russia | Aug 06 14:39 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: You can call China a proxy here :). | Aug 06 14:39 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: ROC | Aug 06 14:39 |
| schestowitz | curve | Aug 06 14:39 |
| MinceR | afaik they don't have enough of an army to fight red china | Aug 06 14:39 |
| XRevan86 | or chinese whispers, heh | Aug 06 14:40 |
| schestowitz | but they can do guerilla war | Aug 06 14:40 |
| MinceR | (afaik pretty much nobody has in the region, except maybe russia) | Aug 06 14:40 |
| schestowitz | like Vietcong did to defeat the US and drive them out of the peninsula | Aug 06 14:40 |
| msb_ | Look at all the attacks on socialist nations and leaders by the US. See the 55 chapter headings: http://williamblum.org/books/killing-hope | Aug 06 14:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-williamblum.org | Killing Hope – William Blum [ http://ur1.ca/ndf5y ] | Aug 06 14:40 | |
| schestowitz | they don't need to invade china, just reduce the incentive to occupy by upping the occupiers' cost (consent at home, bodycount, material cost) | Aug 06 14:41 |
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| msb_ | There's only one thing in common in all of those dozens of US attacks on socialists. The desire to kill socialism so the 1% capitalist owners get the profits instead of the 99% working people. | Aug 06 14:43 |
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| MinceR | if we overlook the fact that in state socialism, pretty much all the profit goes to the dictator/inner party | Aug 06 14:43 |
| MinceR | nominally of course they own everything on behalf of the people | Aug 06 14:44 |
| MinceR | but as one of the people you get to discuss that with the [secret] police | Aug 06 14:44 |
| XRevan86 | That reminds me of party's gold thing :). | Aug 06 14:45 |
| MinceR | in america, you can always find a party. | Aug 06 14:45 |
| MinceR | in soviet russia, the party can always find you. | Aug 06 14:45 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Your information is outdated. | Aug 06 14:45 |
| msb_ | But most of those other socialist nations were not organized like the USSR. | Aug 06 14:46 |
| msb_ | Cuba gives most of the profits to the workers, even though it limits freedoms because of constant attacks and infiltrations by the US. | Aug 06 14:46 |
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| MinceR | i doubt that | Aug 06 14:47 |
| MinceR | it certainly wasn't that way in hungary. | Aug 06 14:47 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Of course you do. You have a one-track mind and you refuse to examine evidence. You think every nation is like Hungary. | Aug 06 14:48 |
| MinceR | msb_: stop lying. | Aug 06 14:48 |
| msb_ | Good luck. You will take your delusions with you to your grave. | Aug 06 14:48 |
| XRevan86 | I tend to think Soviet Union died in times of Brezhnev. | Aug 06 14:48 |
| MinceR | it seems it hasn't died at all | Aug 06 14:49 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I think we have two different things called USSR in our heads. | Aug 06 14:49 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Putin is hiding under your bed and HE'S GOING TO GET YOU!!! | Aug 06 14:49 |
| MinceR | the official statements and labels of dictatorships are usually lies. | Aug 06 14:49 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Maybe because we concentrate on different eras. | Aug 06 14:50 |
| MinceR | msb_: his retinue wouldn't fit under my bed. | Aug 06 14:50 |
| msb_ | They are hiding up your ass. | Aug 06 14:50 |
| MinceR | they fit there even less. | Aug 06 14:50 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Also did you the term sovok? | Aug 06 14:51 |
| msb_ | Your ass is so tight only dogs can hear you fart. | Aug 06 14:51 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: doesn't ring a bell | Aug 06 14:51 |
| XRevan86 | did the heard* | Aug 06 14:51 |
| MinceR | msb_: if you don't stop the personal attacks, you will be removed from the channel. | Aug 06 14:51 |
| msb_ | MinceR: You are the one who started the personal attacks, shitpig. | Aug 06 14:52 |
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| <--MinceR has kicked msb_ from #techrights (told you so.) | Aug 06 14:52 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: That's what Russians call the worst USSR way of thinking. | Aug 06 14:52 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: come on, we don't kick people out for differing opinions | Aug 06 14:52 |
| schestowitz | it just makes us look bad | Aug 06 14:52 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: i didn't kick him for differing opinions. | Aug 06 14:53 |
| MinceR | i kicked him for being a barbaric asshole. | Aug 06 14:53 |
| MinceR | notice that i also didn't kick him for being a deluded fascist. | Aug 06 14:53 |
| schestowitz | don't ban anyway | Aug 06 14:53 |
| schestowitz | next time ignore him | Aug 06 14:53 |
| schestowitz | he's full of crazy stuff in his mind sometimes | Aug 06 14:54 |
| schestowitz | but you're not obliged to interact | Aug 06 14:54 |
| schestowitz | I usually sigh and ignore | Aug 06 14:54 |
| MinceR | he always escalates. | Aug 06 14:55 |
| cubexyz | it's been a while since anyone's been kicked | Aug 06 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3081424 | Aug 06 14:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-support.microsoft.com | [ http://ur1.ca/ndfcs ] | Aug 06 14:57 | |
| DaemonFC | The first Windows 10 mega patch is here. | Aug 06 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | It looks like a whopper considering the number of files that it replaces. | Aug 06 14:57 |
| MinceR | of course, none of that can be displayed without javascript | Aug 06 14:58 |
| MinceR | "static html? what's that?" | Aug 06 14:58 |
| MinceR | -- microsoft | Aug 06 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.computerworld.com/article/2960315/microsoft-windows/windows-10-service-release-1-sr1-kb3081424-itbwcw.html | Aug 06 14:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.computerworld.com | Windows 10 Service Release 1 -- after just one week. Really, Microsoft? | Computerworld [ http://ur1.ca/ndfdj ] | Aug 06 14:58 | |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: What does that change? | Aug 06 14:59 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft doesn't say what it fixes. | Aug 06 14:59 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.computerworld.com/article/2960315/microsoft-windows/windows-10-service-release-1-sr1-kb3081424-itbwcw.html | Aug 06 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | Paul Thurrott says "a ton of small fixes". | Aug 06 15:00 |
| MinceR | they don't have to, you don't get to refuse "updates" anymore :> | Aug 06 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/5094/microsoft-delivers-windows-10-sr1 | Aug 06 15:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thurrott.com | Microsoft Delivers Windows 10 SR1 - Thurrott.com [ http://ur1.ca/ndfeg ] | Aug 06 15:00 | |
| MinceR | donate your pc to microsoft -- install vista10 now! | Aug 06 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | I did set it to ask me before it reboots though. | Aug 06 15:01 |
| MinceR | (also, your electricity) | Aug 06 15:01 |
| cubexyz | and your bandwidth :) | Aug 06 15:01 |
| MinceR | yeah | Aug 06 15:01 |
| MinceR | and your hardware maintenance | Aug 06 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | "While this is certainly a large update, weighing in at about 325 MB, it is of course not the first update to Windows 10: Microsoft has been issuing fixes and other updates for the system since it sort-of-not-really-wink-wink RTM’d last month. But it’s also not clear exactly what’s in this update, despite a long change list on the KB page." | Aug 06 15:02 |
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| DaemonFC | http://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2015/08/microsoft-wants-you-to-pay-12-for-dvd-playback-in-windows-10/ | Aug 06 15:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.co.uk | Microsoft wants you to pay £12 for DVD playback in Windows 10 | Ars Technica UK [ http://ur1.ca/ndfn2 ] | Aug 06 15:20 | |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft removes Windows Media Center. If you had it, they'll give you a simple DVD player app in its place. | Aug 06 15:20 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: So Windows users will simply use Kodi, right? | Aug 06 15:22 |
| DaemonFC | VLC works. | Aug 06 15:22 |
| MinceR | they'll hopefully upgrade to gnu/linux | Aug 06 15:22 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft wants $15 for the DVD player app. | Aug 06 15:22 |
| MinceR | (not systemd/linux) | Aug 06 15:22 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: Kodi seems to be a better replacement for "Media Center" thingy. | Aug 06 15:22 |
| XRevan86 | and to play videos, yes, everything will do. | Aug 06 15:23 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: If Windows users would install systemd/Linux, will you consider that an improvement? :) | Aug 06 15:23 |
| DaemonFC | "for every DVD player that Microsoft ships or sells, it has to pay a fairly large fee to include licence-encumbered codecs such as MPEG-2." | Aug 06 15:23 |
| DaemonFC | Yet those codecs are already part of Windows anyway, even without DVD playback. | Aug 06 15:23 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: They'll have to pay to themselves? | Aug 06 15:24 |
| DaemonFC | Presumably, Microsoft paid the license fee whether or not you have the DVD player. | Aug 06 15:24 |
| XRevan86 | Microsoft news: software department transacts 9000$ to the patent trolling department. | Aug 06 15:25 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: perhaps a slight improvement for a while yet | Aug 06 15:25 |
| MinceR | systemd/Linux is getting worse | Aug 06 15:26 |
| MinceR | then again, so's vista | Aug 06 15:26 |
| XRevan86 | Microsoft news: patent trolling department buys Microsoft Windows from software department for 9000$. | Aug 06 15:26 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 06 15:26 |
| MinceR | maybe they'll price the DVD player at $9900, give you a "discount" so you only have to pay $900 and then count it as "charity" with a value of $9000 | Aug 06 15:27 |
| XRevan86 | Microsoft news: crapware^W software department saves Microsoft 9000$ installations by removing the DVD player. | Aug 06 15:29 |
| MinceR | :) | Aug 06 15:29 |
| XRevan86 | s/installations // | Aug 06 15:29 |
| XRevan86 | > perhaps a slight improvement for a while yet | Aug 06 15:31 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Can I tell Arch users that Windows 10 is just as good then? %) | Aug 06 15:31 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 06 15:31 |
| MinceR | i don't know | Aug 06 15:31 |
| cubexyz | I'd say Linux with systemd is still better than windows 10 | Aug 06 15:32 |
| MinceR | the fundamental design principles are the same | Aug 06 15:32 |
| cubexyz | windows 10 doesn't come with source code | Aug 06 15:32 |
| MinceR | "make everything as complicated as possible, but no simpler" | Aug 06 15:32 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Then "Arch fundamentally is Windows 10" | Aug 06 15:32 |
| MinceR | systemd comes with unreadable source code | Aug 06 15:32 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's pretty readable even for a C program. | Aug 06 15:33 |
| MinceR | i guess i'm used to better coding standards | Aug 06 15:33 |
| XRevan86 | I've only seen OpenRC and systemd source codes. | Aug 06 15:35 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: What would you recommend? | Aug 06 15:35 |
| MinceR | pretty much any simple init you like, though i suspect that openrc is the best for linux | Aug 06 15:36 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I mean, source code. | Aug 06 15:36 |
| MinceR | coding standards? | Aug 06 15:36 |
| XRevan86 | Because OpenRC's one is a mess. | Aug 06 15:36 |
| MinceR | i haven't looked at openrc's source code yet | Aug 06 15:36 |
| XRevan86 | https://github.com/OpenRC/openrc | Aug 06 15:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | OpenRC/openrc · GitHub | Aug 06 15:37 | |
| XRevan86 | But OpenRC itself is pretty nice, yeah. | Aug 06 15:39 |
| cubexyz | I was thinking it would be neat if some distro just asked you which init system you wanted | Aug 06 15:47 |
| MinceR | indeed | Aug 06 15:47 |
| MinceR | gentoo pretty much does that | Aug 06 15:48 |
| MinceR | and so does LFS | Aug 06 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/08/buying-open-box-item-at-best-buy-you-might-get-the-previous-owners-login/ | Aug 06 15:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Best Buy fails to erase some returned devices before re-selling them | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/ndcm9 ] | Aug 06 15:49 | |
| DaemonFC | I got my phone at Best Buy, mostly because there's a special plan that you can only get there. | Aug 06 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | Sprint doesn't make it very obvious because it's the same plan they want to sell you for an additional $5 a month. | Aug 06 15:50 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: And Debian+Devuan is a choice. | Aug 06 15:53 |
| MinceR | yeah | Aug 06 15:54 |
| MinceR | at least if devuan manages to remove the filth | Aug 06 15:54 |
| MinceR | on 2015-07-19, there still were pieces held in by dependencies | Aug 06 15:55 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: From what I've seen in packages.devuan.org, they did remove systemd-shim. | Aug 06 15:55 |
| msb_ | How do you run apps that are dependent on systemd without some kinds of shims? | Aug 06 15:56 |
| MinceR | patch them to make them independent | Aug 06 15:56 |
| msb_ | Patch every app? Ridiculous. | Aug 06 15:56 |
| msb_ | When they are updated you have to patch them all again. | Aug 06 15:57 |
| MinceR | or patch them and fork them | Aug 06 15:57 |
| cubexyz | what app has to have systemd? | Aug 06 15:57 |
| MinceR | this is the situation red crap has put us into | Aug 06 15:57 |
| MinceR | on devuan, when i last tried, cups, gvfs, hplip and others depended on libsystemd0 | Aug 06 15:58 |
| msb_ | If you fork them you have to update the fork whenever the main code is updated. | Aug 06 15:58 |
| MinceR | systemd (and logind included) can be removed and the system and xfce still works | Aug 06 15:58 |
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| cubexyz | why does cups need systemd? | Aug 06 15:59 |
| MinceR | you don't _have_ to, but you might want to adopt features | Aug 06 15:59 |
| cubexyz | surely you can compile it without it | Aug 06 15:59 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: not sure, maybe logging | Aug 06 15:59 |
| MinceR | you can | Aug 06 15:59 |
| MinceR | afaik a significant part of the devuan effort is reconfiguring and rebuilding packages | Aug 06 15:59 |
| MinceR | so they don't depend on systemd parts | Aug 06 15:59 |
| MinceR | source distros have an advantage here, as you can usually tell them to omit dependencies to poetteringware and not install poetteringware | Aug 06 16:00 |
| MinceR | 215906 <@MinceR> you don't _have_ to, but you might want to adopt features | Aug 06 16:00 |
| MinceR | ...and bugfixes | Aug 06 16:00 |
| XRevan86 | > libsystemd0 | Aug 06 16:00 |
| msb_ | I updated skype, but don't have pulseaudio, so I use a fake-pulseaudio shim and it works fine. (Yeah I know skype is from Satan.) | Aug 06 16:00 |
| msb_ | That's the way to do it. | Aug 06 16:01 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's unreasonably hard to remove libsystemd dependency from all apps. | Aug 06 16:01 |
| MinceR | indeed | Aug 06 16:01 |
| XRevan86 | I mean, it is unreasonable to even try to remove that dep. | Aug 06 16:01 |
| MinceR | it's probably deliberate | Aug 06 16:01 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: An even library that does nothing without systemd? | Aug 06 16:01 |
| XRevan86 | * an evil | Aug 06 16:01 |
| msb_ | If the devuan devs are spending their time patching apps, their going to get tired of it and the whole thing will fail. | Aug 06 16:01 |
| msb_ | their -> they're | Aug 06 16:02 |
| XRevan86 | 1. pointless (just to get dpkg -l | grep systemd | wc -l show zero) 2. very hard to maintain | Aug 06 16:02 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: it wastes space, memory, etc. | Aug 06 16:03 |
| MinceR | it has no business existing on a free unix. | Aug 06 16:03 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: How many kilobytes? | Aug 06 16:03 |
| MinceR | i don't care | Aug 06 16:03 |
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| MinceR | i don't need poettering marking my computer as his territory. | Aug 06 16:03 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: If you really care about that, you have to use Gentoo. | Aug 06 16:03 |
| MinceR | i'll probably use funtoo | Aug 06 16:03 |
| XRevan86 | where you can configure with what libraries to link | Aug 06 16:04 |
| MinceR | along with bedrock and slackware and/or devuan | Aug 06 16:04 |
| XRevan86 | to save not even kilobytes | Aug 06 16:04 |
| XRevan86 | but megabytes | Aug 06 16:04 |
| MinceR | on servers, devuan or slackware will probably do | Aug 06 16:04 |
| msb_ | worrying about megabytes is pointless. Any good machine has at least a GB of ram and a TB of disk | Aug 06 16:05 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: What I mean is that Debian "wastes" megabytes of space for things you'll never use. | Aug 06 16:05 |
| MinceR | i can use those megabytes for things that matter | Aug 06 16:05 |
| XRevan86 | and libsystemd is so damn tiny in front of that | Aug 06 16:05 |
| MinceR | instead of treating my systems as the landfill where redcrap gets to dump their crap. | Aug 06 16:05 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I'm not even defending systemd now, you know. | Aug 06 16:06 |
| msb_ | buy another ram stick for god's sake | Aug 06 16:06 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: i could potentially use those things. i will never have any use for libsystemd. | Aug 06 16:06 |
| MinceR | not every system can receive "another ram stick" | Aug 06 16:06 |
| MinceR | some ultrabooks only have 1 slot. | Aug 06 16:06 |
| MinceR | also, libsystemd also consumes battery power to decide that it has nothing to do | Aug 06 16:07 |
| msb_ | If it has less than 1GB you should throw it away | Aug 06 16:07 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Because you accusation sounds like "stops doing libraries I don't like!". | Aug 06 16:07 |
| XRevan86 | your* | Aug 06 16:07 |
| MinceR | it makes more sense to remove the crap than to carry extra batteries. | Aug 06 16:07 |
| msb_ | Stomp on one side and use it as a doorstop. | Aug 06 16:07 |
| XRevan86 | like "stop libjack, I use plain ALSA" | Aug 06 16:07 |
| MinceR | msb_: lol | Aug 06 16:07 |
| MinceR | i think the memory module would break if i did that | Aug 06 16:08 |
| MinceR | it wouldn't bend | Aug 06 16:08 |
| msb_ | The door won't mind. | Aug 06 16:08 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: And the only way to purge libjack from your system is to use Gentoo. | Aug 06 16:08 |
| MinceR | also, this kind of stuff matters on raspberry pi-s | Aug 06 16:09 |
| MinceR | and other ARM SBC-s | Aug 06 16:09 |
| MinceR | also in chroots running on android devices | Aug 06 16:09 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: These wouldn't notice a loose kilobyte as well. | Aug 06 16:09 |
| msb_ | Yeah, we want to make sure Linux runs on SBCs for the poor people of the world. | Aug 06 16:09 |
| MinceR | another issue is that if you have libsystemd, you have to trust poettering's code | Aug 06 16:10 |
| msb_ | Everyone should have a computer. | Aug 06 16:10 |
| XRevan86 | and deploying gentoo there is way to tricky, it's easier to just stop counting libraries | Aug 06 16:10 |
| MinceR | and yes, it also matters on old computers | Aug 06 16:10 |
| XRevan86 | too tricky* | Aug 06 16:10 |
| MinceR | i don't need to count libraries, i just need to disable stuff that comes from an evil company. | Aug 06 16:10 |
| msb_ | I'm not saying use libsystemd. I'm saying use shims that are short and simple. | Aug 06 16:10 |
| MinceR | i have no use for shims | Aug 06 16:11 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I'm afraid to say that but RedHat made way too many commits all across GNU/Linux. | Aug 06 16:11 |
| MinceR | poettering's APIs are toxic and crap, i don't need or want implementations of them | Aug 06 16:11 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: yeah, but most of those happened before they went berserk. | Aug 06 16:11 |
| MinceR | eventually GNU/Linux will probably need to be cleaned up | Aug 06 16:11 |
| msb_ | If you don't use shims, then every time every app is updated, you have to update the patched version of it. And test it. All 10,000 of them. | Aug 06 16:13 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Do you know the initial purpose of the systemd creation? | Aug 06 16:13 |
| MinceR | hopefully sane apps will avoid this whole mess | Aug 06 16:13 |
| msb_ | That's too much to hope for. | Aug 06 16:13 |
| cubexyz | yeah I definitely don't want to see bash-systemd | Aug 06 16:13 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: not sure -- to gain leverage other redcrap's competitors, to give nsa a place to dump their backdoors, etc? | Aug 06 16:13 |
| MinceR | that's systemd-bashd | Aug 06 16:13 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's pretty simple | Aug 06 16:13 |
| MinceR | and you get to start a shell via bashctl | Aug 06 16:14 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: So there's RHEL with Upstart | Aug 06 16:14 |
| msb_ | To sabotage Linux. | Aug 06 16:14 |
| XRevan86 | Canonical wants contributors to sign the Canonical fancy rights-giving agreement. | Aug 06 16:14 |
| msb_ | Because Linux helps people be free. | Aug 06 16:14 |
| MinceR | it would have been much cleaner if redcrap forked all the stuff they wanted in their windows imitation. | Aug 06 16:14 |
| MinceR | like Linux. | Aug 06 16:14 |
| XRevan86 | Red Hat doesn't want that but want to not waste fixes made for the enterprise stuff. | Aug 06 16:14 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: redcrap could have forked upstart and ignored the CLA. | Aug 06 16:15 |
| MinceR | even upstart has a less braindead design than systemd. | Aug 06 16:15 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: They've desided that Upstart is crap. | Aug 06 16:15 |
| MinceR | it is | Aug 06 16:15 |
| MinceR | but systemd is even worse | Aug 06 16:15 |
| MinceR | upstart abuses signals and ptrace | Aug 06 16:15 |
| MinceR | systemd hijacks the entire OS | Aug 06 16:15 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Look at systemd and Upstart from a user experience. | Aug 06 16:15 |
| XRevan86 | systemd is usable and Upstart is just an ugly mess. | Aug 06 16:16 |
| MinceR | i know the effects of poetteringware on user experience, mostly from pulseaudio, networkmanager and udisks2. | Aug 06 16:16 |
| MinceR | systemd is usable, but it's a horrible mess with all sorts of weird bugs | Aug 06 16:16 |
| MinceR | and all sorts of critical bugs too | Aug 06 16:16 |
| msb_ | XRevan86: That's not a valid way to look at that stuff. The engineering principles are vitally important. | Aug 06 16:16 |
| MinceR | fedora 15 had some really weird behaviors, but at the time i didn't know why. | Aug 06 16:16 |
| msb_ | So that you don't get terrible bugs. | Aug 06 16:17 |
| XRevan86 | msb_: That's a good way enough to explain why Red Hat didn't choose to fork Upstart. | Aug 06 16:17 |
| MinceR | they could have chosen to implement something better than upstart, instead of implementing something worse than upstart | Aug 06 16:17 |
| MinceR | also, i thought redcrap said they gave up on the desktop a while ago | Aug 06 16:18 |
| MinceR | so why the sudden ricing on servers that threatens availability? | Aug 06 16:18 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: What do you mean? | Aug 06 16:18 |
| msb_ | redhate is part of the corporate/govt/fascist complex. | Aug 06 16:18 |
| MinceR | "must boot faster", at all costs, including reliability | Aug 06 16:19 |
| MinceR | which is pretty much the opposite of what's desirable on a server | Aug 06 16:19 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Poettering says faster boot is collateral to "proper init design". | Aug 06 16:19 |
| MinceR | (reliability, deterministic boot, even if it takes a little longer, because they'll reboot only rarely) | Aug 06 16:19 |
| msb_ | The fascist complex is run by psychopaths, which have non-human insectoid software. | Aug 06 16:19 |
| MinceR | poettering is talking out of his ass. | Aug 06 16:19 |
| MinceR | he has no clue what "proper init design" even is | Aug 06 16:19 |
| MinceR | or proper software design, even | Aug 06 16:19 |
| MinceR | he has delusions of adequacy. | Aug 06 16:20 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Does that answer your question? | Aug 06 16:20 |
| MinceR | if he had a clue, he'd keep pid1 as simple and robust as possible. | Aug 06 16:20 |
| msb_ | The fascist insectoids view the entire human race as their enemy/prey/food. | Aug 06 16:20 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: which question? | Aug 06 16:20 |
| MinceR | i don't think someone needs to be an insectoid to be totally corrupt and evil | Aug 06 16:20 |
| XRevan86 | > so why the sudden ricing on servers that threatens availability? | Aug 06 16:20 |
| msb_ | Linux helps people be free, which is why the insectoids want to destroy it. | Aug 06 16:20 |
| MinceR | humans seem to have managed this very well | Aug 06 16:20 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: oh. | Aug 06 16:20 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: doesn't really explain it | Aug 06 16:21 |
| msb_ | "insectoid" is a metaphor to remind us how anti-human psychopaths are. | Aug 06 16:21 |
| MinceR | oh. | Aug 06 16:21 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Because they believe they did the right thing for both servers and desktops apart from the fast boot. | Aug 06 16:21 |
| MinceR | i see. | Aug 06 16:21 |
| msb_ | That is the big Conspiracy -- the fascist/psychopath/corporate/government/insectoids vs. the human race. | Aug 06 16:23 |
| MinceR | so, more like the human species against itself | Aug 06 16:23 |
| MinceR | as always | Aug 06 16:23 |
| XRevan86 | msb_: I prefer "reptiloids", that an established term. | Aug 06 16:23 |
| XRevan86 | * that's | Aug 06 16:23 |
| msb_ | No. Psychopaths are not human. | Aug 06 16:23 |
| MinceR | i prefer "humans", judging what i've seen from the majority, it's accurate enough | Aug 06 16:24 |
| msb_ | They have human hardware (mostly) but not human software. | Aug 06 16:24 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Humans are doing plenty of good positive things. You should look at them. I mention some of them in my "manifesto". | Aug 06 16:25 |
| MinceR | yes, but it seems the minority are doing positive things | Aug 06 16:25 |
| msb_ | The rest are just asleep, not evil. | Aug 06 16:25 |
| MinceR | while the majority supports a slow relapse into more authoritarianism | Aug 06 16:25 |
| msb_ | They don't support it, they just believe and do what they're told. | Aug 06 16:26 |
| MinceR | then again, maybe i'm misled by the typical hungarian mentality i experience | Aug 06 16:26 |
| MinceR | "let the neighbor's cow die too" | Aug 06 16:26 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Hmm, I thought that's Russian. | Aug 06 16:26 |
| msb_ | Maybe so. Living under Orban can't be good for consciousness. | Aug 06 16:26 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 06 16:26 |
| MinceR | could be that too | Aug 06 16:26 |
| MinceR | ideas spread much in europe | Aug 06 16:27 |
| MinceR | this predated orban, though | Aug 06 16:27 |
| MinceR | orban is one of the symptoms | Aug 06 16:27 |
| msb_ | Stalinism is also very traumatic. | Aug 06 16:27 |
| msb_ | to the people. | Aug 06 16:28 |
| MinceR | yes, which makes it all the more baffling that these people show no motivation to promote freedom and prosperity. | Aug 06 16:28 |
| msb_ | They have been ground down too much. They don't know about good stuff like David Korten's stuff. | Aug 06 16:30 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I'll tell the Russian saying when I remember it :). | Aug 06 16:30 |
| MinceR | :) | Aug 06 16:30 |
| msb_ | And Mondragon | Aug 06 16:30 |
| msb_ | and the Woodstock Nation | Aug 06 16:31 |
| msb_ | and cannabis | Aug 06 16:31 |
| msb_ | and the Jefferson Airplane | Aug 06 16:31 |
| msb_ | All these things can work together and raise people's consciousness. | Aug 06 16:32 |
| MinceR | i doubt most hungarians even know english enough to understand that stuff | Aug 06 16:32 |
| msb_ | You should make a website and translate it into Hungarian. | Aug 06 16:33 |
| MinceR | i think it's too late already | Aug 06 16:33 |
| msb_ | I'm not tooting my own horn. I didn't invent this stuff. But I lived through it. | Aug 06 16:33 |
| msb_ | NO! It's not too late. | Aug 06 16:33 |
| msb_ | Every human child is born free.. | Aug 06 16:33 |
| MinceR | http://one-europe.info/user/files/Santino%20Santinelli/European_Workers_Infographic.jpg | Aug 06 16:34 |
| msb_ | And adults can free themselves if they access the right kind of stuff. | Aug 06 16:34 |
| MinceR | even if i made such a website it wouldn't be promoted | Aug 06 16:35 |
| MinceR | it would remain unknown | Aug 06 16:35 |
| msb_ | So promote it! | Aug 06 16:35 |
| msb_ | Talk about it on yahoo lists. | Aug 06 16:35 |
| MinceR | also, i'm not much of a writer | Aug 06 16:35 |
| MinceR | and i haven't learned much about psychology | Aug 06 16:35 |
| msb_ | You're good enough. | Aug 06 16:35 |
| MinceR | (and how to influence people) | Aug 06 16:35 |
| msb_ | Just flat out tell people. Don' | Aug 06 16:36 |
| msb_ | Don't try to influence them. | Aug 06 16:36 |
| msb_ | Start with this, translate it, and modify it however you want: http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html | Aug 06 16:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | THE CAUSE AND CURE OF HUMANITY'S PROBLEMS [ http://ur1.ca/n52a6 ] | Aug 06 16:37 | |
| msb_ | Don't give up. | Aug 06 16:37 |
| msb_ | Stop giving up before you even start. | Aug 06 16:37 |
| msb_ | It sounds like you're depressed. | Aug 06 16:38 |
| msb_ | Eat some chocolate. Smoke some cannabis. Love someone. | Aug 06 16:38 |
| msb_ | Breathe! | Aug 06 16:40 |
| msb_ | Snuggle a cat. | Aug 06 16:40 |
| schestowitz | msb_: Uk/GB missing from this chart (?! | Aug 06 16:41 |
| msb_ | MinceR: You have cats in Hungary right? And they're not poisonous like in Australia. | Aug 06 16:41 |
| schestowitz | oops, I meant MinceR | Aug 06 16:42 |
| schestowitz | UK is not in this chart | Aug 06 16:42 |
| schestowitz | which I find odd | Aug 06 16:42 |
| schestowitz | I reckon it scores low | Aug 06 16:42 |
| schestowitz | maybe it didn't make it to the top at all | Aug 06 16:42 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Why would it? | Aug 06 16:42 |
| schestowitz | in uk it's assumed the world must know English | Aug 06 16:42 |
| schestowitz | and that therefore we don't need to learn a second language | Aug 06 16:43 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Well, duh. | Aug 06 16:43 |
| msb_ | Maybe they figure ugly Americans don't know any languages. But I can read French, a little. | Aug 06 16:43 |
| schestowitz | US teaches some Spanish at least | Aug 06 16:43 |
| schestowitz | but it's not far better for ployglots | Aug 06 16:43 |
| schestowitz | whereas any non-English-speaking country teaches English | Aug 06 16:44 |
| schestowitz | near China it can be Mandarin too | Aug 06 16:44 |
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| msb_ | US doesn't have to teach spanish. Half the people here are Mexicans. | Aug 06 16:44 |
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| DaemonFC | http://trib.al/6NRptcg | Aug 06 16:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Waiting for Android’s inevitable security Armageddon | Ars Technica | Aug 06 16:48 | |
| DaemonFC | I commented: | Aug 06 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | Still waiting on actual Stagefright malware. (Android's defense-in-depth makes it practically unworkable.) (In other news, iOS has been getting actual malware and you won't cover that at all.) Like that Obama Anger Translator said, "Oh, CNN - thank you so much for the WALL TO WALL Ebola coverage. For two whole weeks we were one step away from The Walking Dead . And then y'all got up and just moved on to the next thing." | Aug 06 16:48 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: yeah, that's weird | Aug 06 16:50 |
| MinceR | and i'm not even sure if it's the same chart i saw earlier | Aug 06 16:50 |
| MinceR | but the point is visible, hungary is at the bottom | Aug 06 16:50 |
| MinceR | i thought spanish was a pretty widespread language | Aug 06 16:51 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Are there chocolate-chip cookies where you live? | Aug 06 16:51 |
| MinceR | most of south america, etc. | Aug 06 16:51 |
| MinceR | msb_: yes | Aug 06 16:51 |
| MinceR | subway's are pretty damn good if they're fresh | Aug 06 16:51 |
| MinceR | the stuff you can buy ready in shops is not that great, but still enjoyable | Aug 06 16:51 |
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| msb_ | Get some of the good ones. With nuts. | Aug 06 16:52 |
| MinceR | it's cute how arse technica pretends these bad security practices are exclusive to android | Aug 06 16:52 |
| MinceR | even though most mobile platforms do the exact same thing | Aug 06 16:52 |
| MinceR | and IoT platforms too | Aug 06 16:52 |
| msb_ | MinceR: I suggest you watch the movies mentioned in Cause and Cure. They can all be found in the naughty place. | Aug 06 16:55 |
| MinceR | naughty place :) | Aug 06 16:56 |
| msb_ | British Telecomm | Aug 06 16:56 |
| MinceR | Brian Transeau | Aug 06 16:57 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Aug 06 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | 2 mins · Edited · | Aug 06 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | When a group of Apple fanboys were given a phone running Android and told it was an iPhone running iOS 9, they had nothing but good things to say about it. | Aug 06 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | "People said the software, which they believed to be iOS 9, looked nicer and felt more practical than iOS 8." | Aug 06 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-fans-difference-ios-android-video-2015-8 | Aug 06 17:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | Apple fans can't tell the difference between iOS and Android - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/ndgog ] | Aug 06 17:10 | |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer If users want to get updates for their phone as they are released, they are perfectly free to load CyanogenMod or a different Android ROM. In fact, Android phones are surprisingly hard to kill. The Galaxy S2 runs Android 5.1.1 pretty well. What can you do with an Apple phone from 2011? Amazon's trade-in website will give you $5 for letting them scrap it. That's....pretty much it. Pretty much every Apple phone sold today will be | Aug 06 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | in a landfill about three years from now. These fools buy the Apple line that they care about the environment hook, line, and sinker just because this foul company installs a solar panel or two to get federal tax credits (on the money it isn't hiding overseas). | Aug 06 17:36 |
| MinceR | that's nice, because the battery is hazardous waste and as such it probably shouldn't be in a landfill :> | Aug 06 17:37 |
| MinceR | another point for removable batteries | Aug 06 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, What do you think a person is going to do? Box up their phone and send it in for $5 whole dollars or chuck it in the trash? | Aug 06 17:39 |
| MinceR | dunno | Aug 06 17:40 |
| MinceR | i think they're supposed to hand it in at an electronics store, where they handle such waste | Aug 06 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | The iPhone 6 Plus is going in the kitchen trash of just about everyone who bought one by 2017. | Aug 06 17:40 |
| MinceR | i just keep my old electronics, there isn't that much of it | Aug 06 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | You can have Samsung swap the battery out on a Galaxy S6. | Aug 06 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | It's free if it fails in the first year, and $45 past then. | Aug 06 17:41 |
| MinceR | you can swap it out yourself on a galaxy note ii lte | Aug 06 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | Most users will do it maybe once, tops. | Aug 06 17:41 |
| MinceR | it's sad that samsung caved to the demands of brainless crApple fanboys | Aug 06 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | I won't, because I'm on a lease. | Aug 06 17:42 |
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| cubexyz | did an interesting experiment today | Aug 06 17:58 |
| cubexyz | there was a scp command that soaks up all the bandwidth on the router | Aug 06 17:59 |
| cubexyz | so other ssh sessions were slow | Aug 06 17:59 |
| cubexyz | but the serial link was still relatively fast | Aug 06 17:59 |
| MinceR | msb_: wait, what? poisonous cats? | Aug 06 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer "History, sadly, has often shown us that older iPhone devices are left stranded without an easy path for OS updates. If it's more than 3 years old, about all you can use it for is an iPod or sell it for $5 for scrap. Assuming that it even makes it that long before the battery is dead or it falls off your coffee table and shatters." Fixed it for you. | Aug 06 18:07 |
| MinceR | i'm almost sure the only venomous mammal is the platypus | Aug 06 18:08 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: or it turns into a bomb :> | Aug 06 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, If I had a dollar for every "It fell off the coffee table and shattered....so now I have to go buy another one." iPhone story, I could buy one of the islands in the Florida keys and spend the rest of my life drinking little umbrella drinks. | Aug 06 18:10 |
| MinceR | :D | Aug 06 18:10 |
| MinceR | you'd think they'd learn to keep it in their pockets or belt case | Aug 06 18:10 |
| MinceR | but then you remember they're crApple lusers | Aug 06 18:11 |
| MinceR | and of course if it's in the pocket or case, it's not in plain view | Aug 06 18:14 |
| MinceR | and the whole point is to show it off | Aug 06 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer The biggest thing holding back the Android phones with decent specs is that developers are porting the apps, which were designed for lesser hardware, like iPhones and budget Androids. That's the real issue. Once you eliminate the <$200 Androids and the iPhone, you're left with phones that could do so much more. The real reason why you can get a crap Android phone and still run most of the apps is because they're being ported | Aug 06 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | from iPhones. | Aug 06 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Then there's always the "I bought a waterproof case and went swimming with my iPhone, and now it won't work because the case didn't seal properly.". | Aug 06 18:23 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 06 18:24 |
| MinceR | can't part with the pointless gadget even for a swim | Aug 06 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | Of course not. How else do you play Candy Crush while you're at the water park? :) | Aug 06 18:24 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 06 18:24 |
| MinceR | i doubt you can, since that touchscreen is not designed to be usable when wet | Aug 06 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | True. Even if the case performs to spec, you still can't use the screen with wet fingers. | Aug 06 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | I wish they'd port K9 Mail to the PC. | Aug 06 18:28 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer - What game are you playing on your Mac? Doom 3 and not even the BFG Edition? "A portal to Hell has opened up on your Mac." No, no, not iTunes! Well, yeah, iTunes too... | Aug 06 18:54 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 06 18:55 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Interesting. The headlines show that the Dow is down but don't mention that it's almost entirely due to Apple. | Aug 06 19:02 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 06 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | The stock has gone down so much that it's wiped out $120 billion dollars. | Aug 06 19:02 |
| MinceR | so, in addition to not calling out winblows, they also won't call out macos | Aug 06 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | McDonalds is worth $90 billion. The whole company. | Aug 06 19:02 |
| MinceR | oh, you mean the index is down, not the service? :> | Aug 06 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. | Aug 06 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | Apple's stock has been crashing. | Aug 06 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | People are selling it off like mad. | Aug 06 19:03 |
| MinceR | nice | Aug 06 19:03 |
| MinceR | what happened? | Aug 06 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | Jim Cramer is even telling people to get rid of it now. | Aug 06 19:03 |
| MinceR | people realized that crApple products are crap? | Aug 06 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think it was any one thing. | Aug 06 19:04 |
| MinceR | the cult realized that jobs is dead? | Aug 06 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | Lack of new products. Apple Music is fucking broken. They missed their target number of iPhone sales. | Aug 06 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | Apparently, there's 11 million people on Apple Music right now, but they're all in their 3 month free trial. | Aug 06 19:04 |
| MinceR | i see | Aug 06 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | So, they could all just cancel it a day before it runs out and never pay anything, but Apple owes the record companies money for every song played. | Aug 06 19:05 |
| MinceR | i hope they do that | Aug 06 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | Apple could absorb the loss, but their investors probably wouldn't be amused. | Aug 06 19:05 |
| MinceR | it would be a worthy punishment for propping up DRM and the like | Aug 06 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Yeah. I might sign up for the Android version and play music 24 hours a day for three months. | Aug 06 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | When I go away, just turn the volume down. | Aug 06 19:06 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 06 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | It'll work on Windows too, so I can leave it going on my PC all the time. | Aug 06 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | Apple would end up paying the record companies about $300, and then I discontinue the subscription before I owe Apple anything. | Aug 06 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Apple knew it would lose money in the first three months, so they originally weren't going to pay for anything the user played. | Aug 06 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | Then the RIAA and the labels and the musicians complained. | Aug 06 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | So Apple will pay them the going rate of about 0.009 cents per song. | Aug 06 19:09 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 06 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | Taylor Swift even got involved, accusing Apple of piracy. | Aug 06 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | and threatening to remove all her stuff | Aug 06 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | It's not on Spotify. Nobody with any taste in music cares. | Aug 06 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | Must be why Apple does. | Aug 06 19:10 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 06 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Joffrey_Baratheon | Aug 06 19:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gameofthrones.wikia.com | Joffrey Baratheon - Game of Thrones Wiki [ http://ur1.ca/ndhlt ] | Aug 06 19:11 | |
| DaemonFC | "We've had vicious kings, and we've had idiot kings, but I don't know if we've ever been cursed with a vicious idiot for a king!" | Aug 06 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | ―Tyrion Lannister, summarizing his nephew Joffrey Baratheon | Aug 06 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | Hmm, sounds like George W. Bush. | Aug 06 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | Congress has been getting more and more irrelevant. | Aug 06 19:13 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 06 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | Between the Supreme Court making up the law as it goes and the presidents ignoring the law... | Aug 06 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | The law is more like a series of suggestions. | Aug 06 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | For all of their windblowing, the budgets that they end up passing look remarkably like what the president requested to begin with. | Aug 06 19:15 |
| MinceR | "the Code is more what you'd call guidelines than actual rules" | Aug 06 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | The real argument between the two parties is whether the federal government spends 21% of the economy or 19%. | Aug 06 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | You'd swear they were arguing over 10% vs. 90%. | Aug 06 19:15 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 06 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | Spending priorities are somewhat different, but the deficits that would result aren't that different. | Aug 06 19:16 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayre%27s_law | Aug 06 19:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Sayre's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/dwelr ] | Aug 06 19:16 | |
| DaemonFC | We're talking about a 3% annual deficit vs. a 2.8% annual deficit. | Aug 06 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | relative to gdp | Aug 06 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, What's funny is that if we were in Europe, we'd qualify as "fiscally responsible" and qualified to sign on to the Euro. | Aug 06 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 06 19:18 |
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| DaemonFC | The banks don't want government budgets that balance, and so they don't. | Aug 06 19:18 |
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| DaemonFC | The only thing stopping me from rooting my phone is that it's in the leasing contract that if you do that, the device is considered broken for purposes of being returned to Sprint. | Aug 06 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | That means that at the end of the lease, you have to pay the $200 buyout option and keep the phone. | Aug 06 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, the device can be deemed broken for just about any reason. | Aug 06 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | If it has a nick on it somewhere, it's "broken". | Aug 06 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | So I put it in the mother of all cases and it should be in good shape when I take it back. | Aug 06 19:24 |
| schestowitz | send your mother in | Aug 06 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, with her iPhone 6 Plus. Barf. | Aug 06 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | The thing is fucking impossible to use. | Aug 06 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | I know. I've used it. | Aug 06 19:25 |
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| DaemonFC | She was running iOS 8.3 on it because the only thing that signifies that there's an OTA update is a little red dot on the Settings icon. | Aug 06 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | So, I updated it to 8.4, two months after it was released. :/ | Aug 06 19:26 |
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| MinceR | https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware/hardware-changes-post-windows-10-upgrade/24ccc0d2-c2e0-4762-80b5-12c9350a694c?auth=1 | Aug 06 19:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-answers.microsoft.com | Hardware Changes Post Windows 10 upgrade - Microsoft Community [ http://ur1.ca/ndhr9 ] | Aug 06 19:34 | |
| MinceR | the famous micro$oft "support" | Aug 06 19:34 |
| MinceR | support retard can't answer even one question | Aug 06 19:34 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer shared Squidward Fucking Tentaclesㅇ's photo. | Aug 06 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | Just now · | Aug 06 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | Maybe you should. Cortana is an INTELLIGENT personal assistant with a great voice. Siri sounds like what you get when you dial a disconnected telephone number, and about as helpful too. | Aug 06 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/s526x395/11813424_950383315019208_4994696618367706322_n.jpg?oh=fddd8bb066bf3713528ef1387b42401f&oe=564C4033 | Aug 06 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | Google can find anything, but sounds like my second grade teacher. | Aug 06 20:51 |
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| msb_ | I just got a phone call from "windows technical department"! | Aug 06 21:28 |
| msb_ | The guy's accent was so strong I could barely understand him -- Eastern Indian - Sikh or something. | Aug 06 21:28 |
| msb_ | He said my computer was sending his coma | Aug 06 21:29 |
| msb_ | company some kind of message, that I needed to fix. I asked to talk with his supervisor, who said the name of the company was "Ifix". | Aug 06 21:30 |
| cubexyz | I assume you weren't running windows? | Aug 06 21:30 |
| msb_ | I told the sup -- Dexter -- that I was using Linux, so I knew they were lying. He mumbled "fuck off asshole". | Aug 06 21:31 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: Don't you know me better than that? | Aug 06 21:31 |
| cubexyz | I used to have one machine that dual booted | Aug 06 21:31 |
| cubexyz | but I got rid of the windows partition months ago | Aug 06 21:32 |
| msb_ | Whatever scam they were running, they mumbled so badly that they couldn't be understood on the phone. | Aug 06 21:32 |
| cubexyz | yeah, just another lame scam | Aug 06 21:32 |
| cubexyz | it's very common | Aug 06 21:32 |
| cubexyz | I got a call like that two days ago :) | Aug 06 21:32 |
| msb_ | I've gotten it before and they sounded Russian, but at least I could understand what they were saying. | Aug 06 21:33 |
| msb_ | These guys, I wanted to play with them some more, but they couldn't speak well enough to make it worthwhile. | Aug 06 21:33 |
| cubexyz | probably trying to get passwords | Aug 06 21:35 |
| cubexyz | install a keylogger | Aug 06 21:36 |
| msb_ | Something like that. I wanted to see how they were going to get money, but I couldn't get that far with them. They are very incompetent crooks. | Aug 06 21:37 |
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| cubexyz | I assume they try to get you to install some malware that logs passwords | Aug 06 21:39 |
| msb_ | The first guy said he was in Texas, and gave me a 713 number, but he grouped the digits wrong, not xxx-xxx-xxxx. | Aug 06 21:39 |
| cubexyz | ebay, paypal, banking, etc | Aug 06 21:39 |
| msb_ | So he must have not been born in the US | Aug 06 21:39 |
| cubexyz | not North American at least | Aug 06 21:40 |
| msb_ | Well, Windows itself is just as bad a scam. | Aug 06 21:40 |
| cubexyz | I thought that windows was bad in 1987 | Aug 06 21:41 |
| msb_ | I think the earliest one I tried was 3.1. | Aug 06 21:42 |
| cubexyz | I started to see it a lot more when windows 3.0 came out | Aug 06 21:43 |
| msb_ | MinceR: I was just kidding about the poisonous cats. Oiaiohm (?) said they poison feral cats in Australia because they're dangerous. | Aug 06 21:43 |
| msb_ | I may have worked on a contract programming job with 3.1. | Aug 06 21:44 |
| msb_ | Desqview was pretty good. I think it ran on PCDOS directly, not Windows. | Aug 06 21:49 |
| msb_ | Reliable multi-screen, multi-task. | Aug 06 21:50 |
| cubexyz | well... hardly an ideal solution | Aug 06 21:56 |
| cubexyz | closed source proprietary program running closed source proprietary msdos | Aug 06 21:57 |
| cubexyz | hard to avoid that in the 1980s though | Aug 06 21:58 |
| cubexyz | unless you had a PDP-11 or a microvax | Aug 06 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | <msb_> Whatever scam they were running, they mumbled so badly that they couldn't be understood on the phone. | Aug 06 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | I used to get stuff like that. They stopped after I put them on speakerphone and went about my business while pretending to be an old man with dementia. | Aug 06 22:02 |
| msb_ | DaemonFC: Good one! | Aug 06 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | Tied them up for about two hours while I looked for my credit card and then remembered that the wife went off to the store and should be back any time now. | Aug 06 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | Then I opened up Windows XP in a VM and let them fuck around with it for a while. | Aug 06 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | They were using one of those go to my PC things. | Aug 06 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | When I was done with them I just reset the VM to how it was before and that was the end of it. | Aug 06 22:03 |
| msb_ | I wanted to get the url of whatever malware site they were sending me to, but I couldn't get that far. | Aug 06 22:04 |
| msb_ | I'll bet it was in India. | Aug 06 22:05 |
| msb_ | Headline on RT: "Who will be the GOP master debater?" | Aug 06 22:14 |
| msb_ | They totally ridiculed the Republicans. Is that an act of war? | Aug 06 22:16 |
| msb_ | They say, "Fox so-called News" | Aug 06 22:18 |
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| msb_ | British soldiers engaged in false-flag terrorism in Syria! Source: British newspaper! http://www.globalresearch.ca/british-sas-special-forces-dressed-up-as-isis-rebels-fighting-assad-in-syria/5466944 | Aug 06 23:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | British SAS Special Forces “Dressed Up as ISIS Rebels” Fighting Assad in Syria | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization [ http://ur1.ca/ndj0c ] | Aug 06 23:07 | |
| msb_ | And just to be on-topic for a change, here's a nice tutorial on xargs from Steve Litt, anti-systemd champion: http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/xargs.htm | Aug 06 23:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.troubleshooters.com | The Troubleshooters.Com xargs Guide [ http://ur1.ca/nc129 ] | Aug 06 23:11 | |
| oiaohm | msb_: usage of xargs is one of the common causes of spaces in filenames doing wrong things. | Aug 06 23:17 |
| oiaohm | msb_: to be correct bad usage of xargs | Aug 06 23:18 |
| oiaohm | Or worse special chars msb_ | Aug 06 23:18 |
| oiaohm | ls *.txt | xargs --max-lines=1 touch This example here | Aug 06 23:19 |
| oiaohm | --max-args=1 might have been a good idea. | Aug 06 23:20 |
| msb_ | oiaohm: I don't allow spaces (or other characters meaningful to the shell) in my filenames. If they come that way from external sources, I run a script to fix them. | Aug 06 23:20 |
| oiaohm | To be correct -x + --max-args=1 | Aug 06 23:21 |
| oiaohm | If there was a file name with a space it would have aborted safey | Aug 06 23:21 |
| oiaohm | Sorry I don't do that arguement does not work msb_ | Aug 06 23:22 |
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| oiaohm | msb_: Attackers attempting to breach systems don't care if you have that point of view | Aug 06 23:22 |
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| msb_ | oiaohm: You're saying that I _should_ put spaces in my filenames to prevent some kind of attacks? Nuts! | Aug 06 23:24 |
| oiaohm | No I am saying you should design scripts presuming one day someone does msb_ | Aug 06 23:25 |
| oiaohm | Like xargs support --null option. | Aug 06 23:25 |
| oiaohm | So null as breaker instead of space or any other char that can normally exist in filenames. | Aug 06 23:26 |
| msb_ | No I am not going to worry about security INSIDE my system. I have enough aggravation! | Aug 06 23:27 |
| msb_ | oiaohm: But send a letter to Steve Litt if you have a suggestion, | Aug 06 23:28 |
| msb_ | And space does NOT normally exist in my filenames. | Aug 06 23:29 |
| oiaohm | The word there is normally. | Aug 06 23:32 |
| msb_ | Nor do apostrophes, quotes, bangs, various parens, etc. | Aug 06 23:32 |
| oiaohm | so you never get files from anyone else. | Aug 06 23:32 |
| oiaohm | Bad process is bad process. | Aug 06 23:33 |
| oiaohm | Its not that hard to write scripts in safe ways. | Aug 06 23:33 |
| msb_ | oiaohm: AS I SAID "If they come that way from external sources, I run a script to fix them." | Aug 06 23:33 |
| oiaohm | And if you have bad coding practise you will screw that up at some point. | Aug 06 23:34 |
| msb_ | oiaohm: You love to argue. | Aug 06 23:34 |
| oiaohm | Not that a love go argue at all. | Aug 06 23:34 |
| msb_ | parse error | Aug 06 23:34 |
| oiaohm | Sorry. | Aug 06 23:35 |
| oiaohm | But that is valid english. | Aug 06 23:35 |
| oiaohm | The problem here I am sick of having to clean up messes on servers because people are sloppy. | Aug 06 23:36 |
| oiaohm | Like the example there using ls to go through a directory is wrong. | Aug 06 23:37 |
| oiaohm | find does null terminated. | Aug 06 23:37 |
| msb_ | Complain to Litt. | Aug 06 23:38 |
| oiaohm | msb_: what make you think I have not. | Aug 06 23:39 |
| msb_ | oiaohm: "Not that a love go argue at all." Please name subject and object. | Aug 06 23:39 |
| oiaohm | Due to the mistakes there I don't want to see that site link again msb_ | Aug 06 23:39 |
| msb_ | Then don't look. | Aug 06 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | Player- Onesix - Ryan, get a map. You're a lost cause. This is about Android software. | Aug 06 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer - It should be. Android works. I got my first taste of iPhones back when they were new and someone handed me one. I tried typing on the darned thing and of course it got it all wrong. I'd have been better off trying to send messages by carrier pigeon. I said "I can't operate like this.", and that was the end of that.Although you can install a working keyboard on iPhones now (Swiftkey), the process is arduous, iOS sometimes | Aug 06 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | ignores your preference and loads it's own crappy keyboard, and well, of all the things it gets wrong, 8 years later and they still haven't even mastered the on-screen keyboard. Why polish the chrome when the car won't start? Apple should go back to the drawing board and make a phone that works right before they start sending in their fanboys and buying the media every time Android has a bug somewhere. | Aug 06 23:40 |
| oiaohm | msb_: really when I said that had an xargs had a issue there was no reason for you to attempt to defend it by saying I don't use special chars. | Aug 06 23:41 |
| msb_ | oiaohm: Stop telling me what to do. | Aug 06 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | As anyone can see by going to Wikipedia and looking at the release history of iOS, it's got issues. Big time! And god only knows how many are hiding behind "bug fixes". The ones that they broke out and itemized are frightening enough. | Aug 06 23:42 |
| oiaohm | msb_: --"Not that a love go argue at all." Please name subject and object.-- What you need to look up "noun phrase" --"a love go argue"-- That is the subject. This is contextual English. Commonly used in novels. | Aug 06 23:43 |
| msb_ | oiaohm: Not on this planet. | Aug 06 23:45 |
| oiaohm | msb_: No this is not tell you what todo making out that something is a nice tutorial when its buggy. | Aug 06 23:45 |
| oiaohm | There are better tutorials to use xargs out there. | Aug 06 23:45 |
| msb_ | oiaohm: You love to argue interminably. I will not respond further to your crap. | Aug 06 23:46 |
| oiaohm | msb_: http://www.softpanorama.org/Tools/xargs.shtml If you had used this tutorial here I would not have complained at all. | Aug 06 23:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.softpanorama.org | xargs Command Tutorial [ http://ur1.ca/ndj9b ] | Aug 06 23:49 | |
| oiaohm | msb_: basically I was not argueing without grounds. you brought a crap quality tutorilal in that people follow and cause problems with. | Aug 06 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | And of course the battery on an iPhone goes from 100-0 in about five minutes, so the most popular accessory is a case that straps another battery onto the ****ing piece of crap, and plugs into the charging port. smile emoticon Amazing. Hey man, I heard you liked batteries, so I got you a battery case so you can battery while you battery. And somehow....they sell these things. | Aug 06 23:50 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/android-smartphone-with-massive-10000mah-battery-is-coming-soon-710786 | Aug 06 23:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gadgets.ndtv.com | Android Smartphone With Massive 10000mAh Battery Is Coming Soon | NDTV Gadgets [ http://ur1.ca/ndjbg ] | Aug 06 23:56 | |
| oiaohm | Other side of problem. | Aug 06 23:56 |
| oiaohm | Phones getting huge batteries that take for ever to change. | Aug 06 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | Mine has a 2,550 mAh battery. | Aug 07 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | It does okay. | Aug 07 00:11 |
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| Random54377 | Would this be the right place to ask about the consequences of a particular cyber crime (ex. changing someones facebook password)? | Aug 07 00:47 |
| Random54377 | never mind. I'm guess the answer to my question is no. I apologize | Aug 07 00:51 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204838153661501&set=o.179056632119958&type=1&theater | Aug 07 01:10 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Apparently letting your dog chew on your iPhone and then blaming the company that made the case is alright. | Aug 07 01:10 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4xNcF6T7Is | Aug 07 01:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | iPad Survives 100,000+ Foot Fall From Space Near Area 51 (High-Res) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/ndju7 ] | Aug 07 01:18 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: there are some super tough cases. Yes a case that can keep a device in one piece from 100 000 feet is still no good against a set of dog jaws. | Aug 07 01:19 |
| oiaohm | Basically never underestimate a k9 destructive force. | Aug 07 01:20 |
| oiaohm | http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/JackGreen.shtml | Aug 07 01:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hypertextbook.com | Pressure Under High Heels [ http://ur1.ca/ndjvl ] | Aug 07 01:23 | |
| oiaohm | To be correct its the points of the teeth. Its very much the same problem as what do you want on your foot a elphant or a lady in high heels. | Aug 07 01:24 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer Adam Gooden: Don't you know? Apple makes magical software that somehow offsets the "meh" hardware. Because their software is always so svelte and efficient, like iTunes. | Aug 07 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Aug 07 01:42 |
| msb_ | http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36173.htm | Aug 07 01:44 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer Adam Gooden: It's actually worse than that. When you go on a contact to get that $199 iPhone (the 16 GB iPhone 6/$649), it ends up costing almost $1,100. Lacking the ability to do basic math goes with the territory for those folks. If you want some lulz, head on over to the Lifeproof Facebook page and see the idiots that put their iPhone in the 'waterproof" case ($100) and went swimming, and then got out of the water and found | Aug 07 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | out their phone drowned, or dropped it off a coffee table (in the aforementioned $100 case) and had the screen spidercrack like a broken windshield. These people are going to get a Darwin award someday. wink emoticon "Waterproof up to 2 meters for an hour" really means it probably has you covered if you're at a restaurant and you spill your drink on it. These people think it means you can go scuba diving. | Aug 07 02:02 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer Anyone who looks at Apple products and isn't scared isn't paying attention. If the only advantage of using Android over an iPhone that I knew of was never having to put iTunes on any of my computers, it would already have a fantastic head start. | Aug 07 02:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3fx3q3/microsofts_patent_attacks_on_free_software/ | Aug 07 02:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 07 02:31 |
| schestowitz | A shitty attempt to mock windows 10. Honestly it's better than 7 or 8 was, and miles ahead of Vistas initial version. | Aug 07 02:31 |
| schestowitz | That said, unless they switch to the Linux kernel and open source everything or something I'm probably going to switch everything to ubuntu mate while I'm in school, easier to fix when something breaks. Maybe keep them dual boot for the few games that truly need windows to work, or if the institute needs a program that won't work in wine. | Aug 07 02:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 07 02:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Microsoft’s Patent Attacks on Free Software Intensify as Microsoft’s Mobile Ambitions Officially Dead and Vista 10 Failing : linux [ http://ur1.ca/nd8dz ] | Aug 07 02:31 | |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft needs to revise their program to deal with smartphones in Windows 10. | Aug 07 02:31 |
| schestowitz | I think there's lots of astroturfing there | Aug 07 02:31 |
| DaemonFC | "Got an iPhone? Horrible match! iTunes will fucking destroy your computer." | Aug 07 02:32 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft already got caught astroturding in reddit | Aug 07 02:32 |
| schestowitz | "Windows 10 isn't as bad as everyone says it is, imo. Neither was Windows 8. I saw a segment on a national news program the other day in which the host repeatedly referred to "the utter failure of Windows 8" and kept beaming about how much Windows 10 improved on it. I disagree with both statements. Windows 8/8.1 was great, and so is Windows 10, but it's not a mind blowing upgrade either." | Aug 07 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | I installed the first update pack. | Aug 07 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | "Any landing you walk away from was a good landing." | Aug 07 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 07 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Did you hear that Microsoft plans to have an update rollup pack every week for a while? | Aug 07 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | They'll each have dozens of hotfixes and touch hundreds of system files. | Aug 07 02:33 |
| schestowitz | wow | Aug 07 02:33 |
| schestowitz | every week? | Aug 07 02:33 |
| schestowitz | not just after 1 week? | Aug 07 02:34 |
| schestowitz | "As always an interesting article... Roy keeps a line similar to Groklaw. This kind of activism is essential if we intend to return the web to the levels of Freedom we once had. Of course, a lot of posters try to distract readers from the ideas by criticizing allegories like "Vista 10" or "M$". We surely hope Nadella can make his company a better citizen in the commercial landscape, but let's not forget a man cannot change the ethos of a | Aug 07 02:34 |
| DaemonFC | Perhaps there are way more problems in Windows 10 than anyone really suspects. | Aug 07 02:34 |
| schestowitz | company -- and they return to their bad habits on a regular basis. As patent trolls have received more and more the cold shoulder, I'm optimist that this parasitism strategy won't work in the long run and Microsoft will have to reinvent itself instead of being eternally the bully in the class. Until then we all must remain alert or risk having new episodes like the destruction of Nokia (to cite only the most recent one)." | Aug 07 02:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/microsofts-patent-attacks-on-free-software-intensify-as-microsofts-mobile-ambitions-officially-dead-and-vista-10-failing-150805092015.html | Aug 07 02:34 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. | Aug 07 02:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxtoday.com | Linux Today - Microsoft's Patent Attacks on Free Software Intensify as Microsoft's Mobile Ambitions Officially Dead and Vista 10 Failing [ http://ur1.ca/ndkby ] | Aug 07 02:34 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I heard before release | Aug 07 02:34 |
| schestowitz | people from MS told me | Aug 07 02:34 |
| schestowitz | "The problem with Microsoft's Mobile Ambitions Officially Dead and Vista 10 Failing is, those just using Free Software for their own gain, and because of Microsoft's Patent Attacks on Free Software results in "Free Software" sellouts funding for Microsoft because they don't want the problem having to defend "Free Software" for everyone in / using Free Software." | Aug 07 02:34 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I'll quite you later re Vista 10, I have two articles in the docket | Aug 07 02:35 |
| schestowitz | one about privacy, another about updates | Aug 07 02:35 |
| schestowitz | turns out my sources were right, vista 10 was a mess in the making. | Aug 07 02:35 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.infoworld.com/article/2960528/patch-management/windows-10-patch-kb-3081424-can-crash-fail-to-install.html | Aug 07 02:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infoworld.com | Windows 10 patch KB 3081424 can crash, fail to install | InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/ndkck ] | Aug 07 02:37 | |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Aug 07 02:37 |
| DaemonFC | Just now · | Aug 07 02:37 |
| DaemonFC | It has begun! | Aug 07 02:37 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RealHPT/status/629509428258078720 | Aug 07 02:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RealHPT: @schestowitz An Apple money maker is potentially its music store, expanding customers is perhaps why they want to port apps to Android. | Aug 07 02:37 | |
| DaemonFC | It seems to be trapping some computers in a bootloop. | Aug 07 02:38 |
| schestowitz | They're currently losing on it, as many useds are on trial basis while Apple pays the music providers | Aug 07 02:38 |
| DaemonFC | Not bad. It only took them a week this time. | Aug 07 02:38 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I mentioned that earlier. | Aug 07 02:38 |
| DaemonFC | They tried saying they wouldn't pay any royalties for trial users, but then musicians started threatening to revoke their license to stream. | Aug 07 02:39 |
| DaemonFC | So they backed down. | Aug 07 02:39 |
| schestowitz | ha | Aug 07 02:40 |
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| DaemonFC | "But how well does a Chromebook work as an ereader?" | Aug 07 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | Amazon Kindle Cloud Reader works on it. | Aug 07 02:50 |
| schestowitz | meh | Aug 07 02:51 |
| schestowitz | DRM | Aug 07 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | "The solution that seems to work involves a registry edit to delete stunted user profiles that shouldn't be there." | Aug 07 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | Hey, Grandma, have fun with regedit! | Aug 07 02:51 |
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| schestowitz | and solitaire | Aug 07 02:52 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: you are aware that Australian buying music by itunes has to pay extra. | Aug 07 02:52 |
| schestowitz | once you pay to stop the ads | Aug 07 02:52 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: No explainable reason. | Aug 07 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I think the HOSTS entries I have to block Skype ads blocks the Solitaire app from displaying ads too. | Aug 07 02:53 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't seen any. | Aug 07 02:53 |
| oiaohm | Remember auto updates DaemonFC | Aug 07 02:53 |
| oiaohm | its only a matter of time before Microsoft starts adding counter measures to disabling ads. | Aug 07 02:53 |
| oiaohm | I wish intel open source drivers were more complete and KVMGT was better off. | Aug 07 02:55 |
| oiaohm | It is now to the point I wish I could recommend Windows 10 as virtual instance only. | Aug 07 02:56 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-delivers-first-cumulative-windows-10-update/ | Aug 07 02:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | Microsoft delivers first cumulative Windows 10 update | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/ndkh9 ] | Aug 07 02:57 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, "Today's cumulative update is one of a series of regular performance and reliability fixes and updates for Windows 10 that Microsoft is expected to deliver. One of my contacts said Microsoft is planning to deliver more cumulative update rollups possibly on a weekly basis at least for the first month of Windows 10 availability." | Aug 07 02:57 |
| oiaohm | https://01.org/igvt-g | Aug 07 02:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-01.org | Intel® Graphics Virtualization Technology (Intel® GVT) | 01.org | Aug 07 02:58 | |
| oiaohm | This tech I like. Standard Windows drivers and Linux drivers used inside the virtual machine. | Aug 07 02:59 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/629546516458438656 | Aug 07 02:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Can't you just ignore them? I read an interesting article about a guy experimenting with buying followers. | Aug 07 02:59 | |
| schestowitz | A lot of #twitter is fake people/likes, not sure what %. Some famous/rich people have it in their todo list, "buy followers" | Aug 07 03:00 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/01micko/status/629546910286655488 | Aug 07 03:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@01micko: @schestowitz Nice article Roy and one that need to be shared far and wide. | Aug 07 03:02 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/629548029633273856 | Aug 07 03:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz I find it is way too common to receive a favourite from a hot bisexual woman who only posts photos of other scantily clad girls | Aug 07 03:02 | |
| schestowitz | probably wanting you to follow back or become "customer | Aug 07 03:02 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/629547751659847680 | Aug 07 03:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: ICYMI @schestowitz: The Great Fake Twitter Follower Exp't: How I Gained 150,000 Followers in One Month http://t.co/9U6IirnPaA via @Techvibes | Aug 07 03:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techvibes.com | The Great Fake Twitter Follower Experiment: How I Gained 150,000 Followers in One Month - Techvibes.com | Aug 07 03:03 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/deusexstigma/status/629549393574797312 | Aug 07 03:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@deusexstigma: @schestowitz Twitter is a fame whore..ersatz famous who follow60ppl..can have millions following..poor activists are banned from following | Aug 07 03:11 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Industrial and DAQ controllers run Linux on | Aug 07 03:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | quad-core Atom http://t.co/hPhZjleWEf | Aug 07 03:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Industrial and DAQ controllers run Linux on quad-core Atom · LinuxGizmos.com | Aug 07 03:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linuxgizmos.com) | Aug 07 03:19 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Aug 07 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | Just now · | Aug 07 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | I told people this would happen when I voted against that constitutional amendment, but people wanted low property taxes (that mostly benefit rich people with expensive houses, not the poor and middle class who later got cheated out of their homes by the banks) and now they're going to get to wonder if some pervert in a free candy van is going to abduct their children on the way to school. The 2-3 mile walk through the bad side of town. | Aug 07 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | "Fort Wayne Community Schools had put place 7,000 students in a no transportation zone because of property tax caps. | Aug 07 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | Police say that they will be keeping an extra watch on intersections where drivers might not anticipate young pedestrians." | Aug 07 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.21alive.com/news/local/Fort-Wayne-Police-Department-increasing-patrols-for-kids-walking-to-school-320772511.html | Aug 07 03:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.21alive.com | Fort Wayne Police Department increasing patrols for kids walking to school | 21Alive: News, Sports, Weather, Fort Wayne WPTA-TV, WISE-TV, and CW | Local [ http://ur1.ca/ndks7 ] | Aug 07 03:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE Applications 15.08 RC Available Now, Final | Aug 07 03:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Build Arrives on August 19 | Aug 07 03:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/wKK3Poh53q (linux.softpedia.com) | Aug 07 03:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | KDE Applications 15.08 RC Available Now, Final Build Arrives on August 19 - Softpedia | Aug 07 03:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Is Now | Aug 07 03:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Available for Download, Here's What's New | Aug 07 03:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/0q9I5KpRzC (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 07 03:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Is Now Available for Download, Here's What's New - Softpedia | Aug 07 03:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Yes, There Is Now a Cards Against Humanity App | Aug 07 03:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | on Ubuntu Touch | Aug 07 03:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/aHuP5bOImq (linux.softpedia.com) | Aug 07 03:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ndkt5 | Aug 07 03:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Yes, There Is Now a Cards Against Humanity App on Ubuntu Touch - Softpedia | Aug 07 03:40 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GParted Live 0.23.0-1 Officially Released with | Aug 07 03:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Kernel 4.1.3 and GParted 0.23.0 | Aug 07 03:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/WFD8CwRfRt (linux.softpedia.com) | Aug 07 03:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | GParted Live 0.23.0-1 Officially Released with Linux Kernel 4.1.3 and GParted 0.23.0 - Softpedia | Aug 07 03:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Homefront: The Revolution Is Still Coming to | Aug 07 03:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux | Aug 07 03:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/QhvicUfbKl (linux.softpedia.com) | Aug 07 03:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ndkvl | Aug 07 03:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Homefront: The Revolution Is Still Coming to Linux - Softpedia | Aug 07 03:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.2.70 LTS Adds MIPS, PPC, x86, | Aug 07 03:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and Btrfs Improvements, More | Aug 07 03:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/zdE77tD5o8 (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 07 03:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 3.2.70 LTS Adds MIPS, PPC, x86, and Btrfs Improvements, More - Softpedia | Aug 07 03:51 | |
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| DaemonFC | Nvidia is up 9%? Really? | Aug 07 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | They recalled every Shield tablet because the battery might catch fire and their stock is up 9%? | Aug 07 04:05 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines TechValidate surveys Red Hat Enterprise Linux | Aug 07 04:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | developers http://t.co/bmPzwZsoJ8 (sdtimes.com) | Aug 07 04:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sdtimes.com | TechValidate surveys Red Hat Enterprise Linux developers - SD Times | Aug 07 04:14 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Arma 3 Is Coming to Linux as a Non-Native Port | Aug 07 04:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | from Bohemia Interactive http://t.co/46QiyuHTtm | Aug 07 04:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linux.softpedia.com) | Aug 07 04:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Arma 3 Is Coming to Linux as a Non-Native Port from Bohemia Interactive - Softpedia | Aug 07 04:14 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ndl04 | Aug 07 04:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GParted Live 0.23.0-1 Officially Released with | Aug 07 04:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Kernel 4.1.3 and GParted 0.23.0 | Aug 07 04:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/OZ6YWbV3gg (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 07 04:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GParted Live 0.23.0-1 Officially Released with Linux Kernel 4.1.3 and GParted 0.23.0 | Tux Machines | Aug 07 04:14 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/01micko/status/629572084411183105 | Aug 07 04:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@01micko: @schestowitz we too have to consider that 'smartphones' are still in their infancy. Bigger and "better" will come. | Aug 07 04:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat News http://t.co/yw9YDg3HNe | Aug 07 04:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 07 04:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat News | Tux Machines | Aug 07 04:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.2.70 LTS Adds MIPS, PPC, x86, | Aug 07 04:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and Btrfs Improvements, More | Aug 07 04:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/wGZlQmdLP6 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 07 04:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ndl94 | Aug 07 04:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel 3.2.70 LTS Adds MIPS, PPC, x86, and Btrfs Improvements, More | Tux Machines | Aug 07 04:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines HMRC reveals cloud and open source | Aug 07 04:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | transformation http://t.co/Frc7h5Ptzi | Aug 07 04:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 07 04:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ndl95 | Aug 07 04:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | HMRC reveals cloud and open source transformation | Tux Machines | Aug 07 04:51 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/GrabYerAnkles/status/629574058410135552 | Aug 07 04:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GrabYerAnkles: @schestowitz 1st took guards off tubes; drivers now do work of 2 people. Taxi driver earn +£25k to carry 4 people. Packed tube carries +1000 | Aug 07 04:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tanglu 3.0 Screencast and Screenshots | Aug 07 05:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/v1dGoDgejT (www.linuxquestions.org) | Aug 07 05:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ndldj | Aug 07 05:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxquestions.org | Tanglu 3.0 Screencast and Screenshots | Aug 07 05:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tails 1.5 RC1 Incognito Live CD Is Out for | Aug 07 05:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Testing and It Needs Your Help | Aug 07 05:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/2qMd9aMXnr (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 07 05:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Tails 1.5 RC1 Incognito Live CD Is Out for Testing and It Needs Your Help - Softpedia | Aug 07 05:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GCC 5 Is Causing Headaches For Ubuntu Touch | Aug 07 05:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Developers http://t.co/hWkrQEppI5 | Aug 07 05:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Aug 07 05:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | GCC 5 Is Causing Headaches For Ubuntu Touch Developers - Phoronix | Aug 07 05:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ndldl | Aug 07 05:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open-source software boost for public health | Aug 07 05:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | sector http://t.co/LkXvzEXKn7 | Aug 07 05:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 07 05:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ndldm | Aug 07 05:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open-source software boost for public health sector | Tux Machines | Aug 07 05:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mozilla Firefox 39.0.3 Hotfix Out Now to Patch | Aug 07 05:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | a Critical Issue in the Built-in PDF Viewer | Aug 07 05:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/EoUdiS5g8i (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 07 05:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ndlgs | Aug 07 05:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla Firefox 39.0.3 Hotfix Out Now to Patch a Critical Issue in the Built-in PDF Viewer | Tux Machines | Aug 07 05:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines openSUSE Leap 42 Might Land on November 4, | Aug 07 05:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tumbleweed Gets LibreOffice 5.0 | Aug 07 05:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Y1BwI7EUyG (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 07 05:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ndlgt | Aug 07 05:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | openSUSE Leap 42 Might Land on November 4, Tumbleweed Gets LibreOffice 5.0 | Tux Machines | Aug 07 05:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "Onie is a small, Linux based operating system | Aug 07 05:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | that runs on a bare-metal switch." | Aug 07 05:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/MgWHg4GGSd (www.networkworld.com) | Aug 07 05:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com | SDN switches aren't hard to compromise, researcher says | Network World | Aug 07 05:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ndlgv | Aug 07 05:19 |
| DaemonFC | Ars Technica | Aug 07 05:22 |
| DaemonFC | 16 hrs · | Aug 07 05:22 |
| DaemonFC | As always, wipe the devices yourself. | Aug 07 05:22 |
| DaemonFC | http://trib.al/J54NAyz | Aug 07 05:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Best Buy fails to erase some returned devices before re-selling them | Ars Technica | Aug 07 05:22 | |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer Before I traded in my LG G2 for the Galaxy S6, I removed all my apps and files and ran a free space wiper over all the free space, then I encrypted the phone, then I decrypted it, then I reset the phone to factory settings. Good luck getting my info out of that thing. Seriously, who turns in a device that's permanently logged into their accounts? Only an Apple user. Christ. I keep telling people there's a price to be paid for | Aug 07 05:22 |
| DaemonFC | making computers for emo kids and senior citizens. | Aug 07 05:22 |
| DaemonFC | Oh, and the Apple TV sucks as bad as anything else Apple makes. HBO tweeted "We know how we'll be watching the next season of Game of Thrones.". I would have tweeted back, "If it's on Apple TV, by rebooting it every time it goes into permanent buffering spinny beach ball mode?". | Aug 07 05:24 |
| DaemonFC | , but I didn't use Twitter then. | Aug 07 05:24 |
| DaemonFC | It works on Android or Android+Chromecast now, so I might have to pick up a Chromecast. They're only $35. | Aug 07 05:27 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer shared John Antonio's photo. | Aug 07 05:29 |
| DaemonFC | Just now · | Aug 07 05:29 |
| DaemonFC | LMAO! | Aug 07 05:29 |
| DaemonFC | https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11825762_10205008461066310_5816740742907296271_n.jpg?oh=c24ffb52a31816231bab31515d59d5f2&oe=56409617 | Aug 07 05:29 |
| DaemonFC | http://gizmodo.com/the-worst-apple-store-customer-horror-story-1722558371 | Aug 07 05:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gizmodo.com | The Worst Apple Store Customer Horror Story [ http://ur1.ca/ndljf ] | Aug 07 05:30 | |
| DaemonFC | " I just want you to either fix my phone or get me a new one. Now, like, right now. Otherwise I’m going to leave this shitty fucking phone here and get a Samsung. " | Aug 07 05:31 |
| DaemonFC | Provlem solved. | Aug 07 05:31 |
| DaemonFC | "Frankly, you guys trying to go above and beyond in terms of helping me makes me sick, I ask you to fix my phone and you want me to drive to another store to get it replaced. No, I don’t want a iPhone Five, if you’re going to give me a new phone I want a Six Plus. You guys screwed up by not having it in stock and I want you to take care of it." | Aug 07 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | Sounds about like "one of them". | Aug 07 05:33 |
| MinceR | they get the customers they deserve | Aug 07 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiyMx7rDKAM | Aug 07 05:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | [ Orginal ] Lady goes crazy at an Apple Store - Woman Freaks Out At Apple Store - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/ndll3 ] | Aug 07 05:37 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/politics/trump-proudly-admits-he-buys-politicians-including-almost-everyone-on-stage-with-him-video/ | Aug 07 05:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ifyouonlynews.com | Trump Proudly ADMITS He Buys Politicians — Including Almost Everyone On Stage With Him (VIDEO) | If You Only News [ http://ur1.ca/ndlno ] | Aug 07 05:47 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/629583033046315008 | Aug 07 05:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gnutelephony: @schestowitz exactly the kind of thing you would expect a failing company to do... | Aug 07 05:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/coryxoxo/status/629584422593900544 | Aug 07 05:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@coryxoxo: @schestowitz Ain't nobody trying to leaves-drop on trees. | Aug 07 05:49 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The funny part was her phone was out of warranty and she hadn't bought a protection plan, so they were well within their rights to tell her tough luck and go buy yourself a new phone. | Aug 07 05:53 |
| DaemonFC | They probably only gave her a new one for free to get rid of her, and because Apple customers buy so much crap that they make a fortune off of you even losing the phone sale. | Aug 07 05:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 07 05:53 |
| schestowitz | Kerry is a master bullshitter who probably took lessons from the Clinton’s. | Aug 07 05:53 |
| schestowitz | https://youtu.be/nS_vLTTIZL8 | Aug 07 05:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Sen. Tom Cotton's Q&A during Senate Armed Services Committee hearing heb subs - YouTube | Aug 07 05:54 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 07 05:54 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6432473 | Aug 07 05:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Germany's top prosecutor fired over treason probe https://news.yahoo.com/german-prosecutor-accuses-govt-meddling-treason-probe-130208720.html #epo takes note... | Aug 07 05:57 | |
| schestowitz | "telling your boss to mind his own business is not good for your career." | Aug 07 05:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.yahoo.com | Germany's top prosecutor fired over treason probe - Yahoo News [ http://ur1.ca/ndlq4 ] | Aug 07 05:57 | |
| schestowitz | "Well, maybe if your boss would mind his own business, you wouldn’t have to say it." | Aug 07 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-reaction-to-taylor-swift-blog-post-2015-8 | Aug 07 05:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | Apple reaction to Taylor Swift blog post - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/ndlqa ] | Aug 07 05:58 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.observerchronicle.com/politics/hiroshima-atomic-bombing-70th-anniversary-marked-with-solemn-ceremony-calls-for-nuclear-disarmament/45300/ | Aug 07 06:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.observerchronicle.com | Hiroshima Atomic Bombing 70th Anniversary Marked With Solemn Ceremony, Calls For Nuclear Disarmament | Observer Chronicle [ http://ur1.ca/ndlr3 ] | Aug 07 06:01 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6436212 | Aug 07 06:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Arma 3 Is Coming to Linux as a Non-Native Port from Bohemia Interactive http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/arma-3-is-coming-to-linux-as-a-non-native-port-from-bohemia-interactive-488689.shtml | Aug 07 06:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linux.softpedia.com | Arma 3 Is Coming to Linux as a Non-Native Port from Bohemia Interactive - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/ndlr5 ] | Aug 07 06:02 | |
| schestowitz | "#destruction #colonisation #colonialism #MilitaryIndustrialComplex" | Aug 07 06:02 |
| DaemonFC | "U.S. bomber, the Enola Homosexual, dropped the primary atomic weapon ever for use in wartime on Hiroshima at eight:15 a.m. on Aug. 6, 1945. " | Aug 07 06:02 |
| DaemonFC | LMAO!!! | Aug 07 06:02 |
| schestowitz | is that what it was called? | Aug 07 06:03 |
| DaemonFC | No. | Aug 07 06:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines DisplayLink "released a binary driver for | Aug 07 06:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu. " http://t.co/h9g0kc0cHQ | Aug 07 06:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Aug 07 06:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | DisplayLink Releases First USB 3.0 Driver, But Doesn't Appear Fully Open - Phoronix | Aug 07 06:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ndlrl | Aug 07 06:04 |
| DaemonFC | The plane was called the Enola Gay, because that was the name of the pilot's mother. | Aug 07 06:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "We tried to clarify what it actually means for | Aug 07 06:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | KDE to have a vision, strategy and focus." | Aug 07 06:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/rWacsEGxHZ (blog.lydiapintscher.de) | Aug 07 06:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ndlro | Aug 07 06:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.lydiapintscher.de | Evolving KDE – framework and next steps | life at the end of the universe | Aug 07 06:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "There’s less than week until Fedora Flock 2015 | Aug 07 06:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | in Rochester, New York!" | Aug 07 06:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/SR17XcRxIt (major.io) | Aug 07 06:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ndlrr | Aug 07 06:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-major.io | Less than a week until Fedora Flock 2015 - major.io | Aug 07 06:04 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6435979 | Aug 07 06:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Until or unless #twitter takes action against the underworld of spam, the site's management cannot be taken seriously https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/629546516458438656 | Aug 07 06:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Can't you just ignore them? I read an interesting article about a guy experimenting with buying followers. | Aug 07 06:16 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/629602011160387585 | Aug 07 06:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz was announced they simply don't have the prison room to prosecute all child porn offenders so no of course file share shouldn't | Aug 07 06:44 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Test upcoming Bodhi Linux 3.1.0; Pre-Release is | Aug 07 07:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | out now http://t.co/mGaJTW7seR | Aug 07 07:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 07 07:01 |
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| MinceR | lol @ Enola Homosexual | Aug 07 07:50 |
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| cubexyz | too many blogs concentrate on unimportant and transitory subjects | Aug 07 08:29 |
| cubexyz | people should think about the concepts rather than specific details | Aug 07 08:30 |
| oiaohm | Really same has been said about books. | Aug 07 08:30 |
| cubexyz | concept number 1: a laptop with interchangeable parts | Aug 07 08:31 |
| cubexyz | doesn't really exist | Aug 07 08:31 |
| oiaohm | I do have a ATX labtop | Aug 07 08:31 |
| cubexyz | oh? | Aug 07 08:32 |
| cubexyz | not micro-atx? | Aug 07 08:32 |
| oiaohm | Its mill grade kit. Its not small. | Aug 07 08:33 |
| cubexyz | is this something you can buy off the shelf? | Aug 07 08:33 |
| oiaohm | Its a port that opens up. | Aug 07 08:33 |
| oiaohm | LCD screen mounts to lid. | Aug 07 08:33 |
| oiaohm | ATX mothborboard full size exposed when open. | Aug 07 08:33 |
| oiaohm | The thing is not small or light. | Aug 07 08:34 |
| cubexyz | the idea is interesting for sure | Aug 07 08:35 |
| oiaohm | Fun part is the case is a table. | Aug 07 08:35 |
| cubexyz | a micro-atx laptop seems at least possible | Aug 07 08:36 |
| msb_ | oiaohm: Where did you get it? Web page reference? Does it have a hard drive? | Aug 07 08:36 |
| msb_ | "case is a table" doesn't sound very portable | Aug 07 08:37 |
| MinceR | 143122 < cubexyz> concept number 1: a laptop with interchangeable parts | Aug 07 08:38 |
| MinceR | PiTop | Aug 07 08:38 |
| cubexyz | hmmm | Aug 07 08:38 |
| MinceR | there's also the novena | Aug 07 08:39 |
| oiaohm | msb_: I said labtop not laptop. | Aug 07 08:39 |
| MinceR | though i'm not sure how much you can change the mainboard | Aug 07 08:39 |
| oiaohm | msb_: Its a mil transport case 1.2M across 0.8 width and 0.3 thick. | Aug 07 08:42 |
| cubexyz | lol 1.2 metres | Aug 07 08:42 |
| oiaohm | It is truly not small. | Aug 07 08:43 |
| cubexyz | that's almost 4 feet wide | Aug 07 08:43 |
| msb_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroATX | Aug 07 08:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | microATX - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Aug 07 08:43 | |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I forgot to say its dual motherboard. | Aug 07 08:44 |
| MinceR | maybe it's also possible to build a pitop-like case around a caseless intel NUC mainboard | Aug 07 08:44 |
| oiaohm | Its a true beast and a half. | Aug 07 08:44 |
| cubexyz | it would be simpler just to stick a pc in every room of your house | Aug 07 08:44 |
| oiaohm | Correctly kitted is 8 CPUs, 8GPU and 12 harddrives. | Aug 07 08:45 |
| oiaohm | You can guess what the beast is designed for. | Aug 07 08:45 |
| msb_ | Launching ICBMs? | Aug 07 08:45 |
| cubexyz | backups? | Aug 07 08:45 |
| oiaohm | electronic warfare | Aug 07 08:45 |
| MinceR | beating people to a pulp with it? | Aug 07 08:45 |
| msb_ | Shooting down incoming Saucers? | Aug 07 08:45 |
| cubexyz | haha | Aug 07 08:46 |
| cubexyz | you can't shoot down klaatu | Aug 07 08:46 |
| oiaohm | Or airtraffic control. | Aug 07 08:46 |
| oiaohm | depending on what software is loaded. | Aug 07 08:46 |
| oiaohm | or both at the same time. | Aug 07 08:46 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: I wonder why they didn't try to shoot him down. Usually they would. | Aug 07 08:47 |
| oiaohm | Of course what I have is a superseed model. | Aug 07 08:47 |
| msb_ | It can replicate itself? | Aug 07 08:48 |
| oiaohm | Its been replaced by rack servers in boxes. | Aug 07 08:48 |
| oiaohm | And shipping containers. | Aug 07 08:48 |
| msb_ | And drones. Don't forget those. | Aug 07 08:49 |
| cubexyz | with a micro-atx laptop you've have to have some thickness to allow for the PCI cards, if any | Aug 07 08:49 |
| cubexyz | not sure if anyone has done that | Aug 07 08:49 |
| oiaohm | msb_: what I had was pre major drone warfare. | Aug 07 08:49 |
| oiaohm | msb_: post is rackservers in boxes. | Aug 07 08:49 |
| oiaohm | http://www.chassis-plans.com/blog/designing-computers-for-harsh-environments/ | Aug 07 08:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.chassis-plans.com | Designing Computers For Harsh Environments | Chassis Plans Rugged Blog [ http://ur1.ca/ndn1c ] | Aug 07 08:52 | |
| oiaohm | The modern ones look like that. | Aug 07 08:52 |
| oiaohm | Yes take 2 very big guys to pick the current ones up. | Aug 07 08:52 |
| oiaohm | My old 1.2 metre one is in fact lot simpler to move. | Aug 07 08:53 |
| cubexyz | novena looks promising | Aug 07 08:57 |
| msb_ | http://www.pcworld.com/article/2905152/raspberry-pi-2-laptop-coming-with-pitop-assembly-kit.html | Aug 07 08:58 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.ariesys.com.tw/3-Screen%20portable%20workstation/ARP693.htm | Aug 07 09:00 |
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| oiaohm | I thought I remembered something modern but weaker. | Aug 07 09:00 |
| oiaohm | Yes ATX labtops are all in the huge size class. | Aug 07 09:01 |
| cubexyz | ok, I don't need the triple display :) | Aug 07 09:01 |
| cubexyz | ARP640 has a single display | Aug 07 09:02 |
| MinceR | reinforced desk that doesn't immediately buckle under the load not included :> | Aug 07 09:03 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that is why the old version with built in table was such a good idea. | Aug 07 09:04 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 07 09:04 |
| cubexyz | ok, ARL945-B looks even better | Aug 07 09:04 |
| cubexyz | very expensive I imagine | Aug 07 09:05 |
| cubexyz | a laptop with full-length PCI slots | Aug 07 09:05 |
| cubexyz | hot swappable battery packs | Aug 07 09:06 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly sure that you would put that thing on lap. | Aug 07 09:07 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I think you are underestimating how heavy ARL945-B is. | Aug 07 09:07 |
| cubexyz | no, I'm aware of the weight | Aug 07 09:07 |
| cubexyz | 6.8 kg | Aug 07 09:08 |
| oiaohm | That is not fitted with drives. | Aug 07 09:08 |
| cubexyz | has built-in 500 gb drive | Aug 07 09:09 |
| oiaohm | ie support 1x 2.5" removable SATA | Aug 07 09:09 |
| oiaohm | I said drives. | Aug 07 09:09 |
| oiaohm | Full configures is more 7KG. | Aug 07 09:09 |
| oiaohm | Serousally not fun on lap. | Aug 07 09:09 |
| cubexyz | most laptops aren't | Aug 07 09:10 |
| cubexyz | for one thing, they heat up a lot | Aug 07 09:10 |
| cubexyz | unless you go old | Aug 07 09:10 |
| oiaohm | To be correct these big rugged ones don't burn you. | Aug 07 09:10 |
| msb_ | http://www.kosagi.com/w/index.php?title=Novena_Main_Page | Aug 07 09:10 |
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| oiaohm | Heavy as hell but cooling is very safe. | Aug 07 09:10 |
| MinceR | crApple laptops are not recommended to use in your lap, as they will burn you | Aug 07 09:11 |
| cubexyz | even the 286's with the monochrome plasma displays generated lots of heat | Aug 07 09:11 |
| MinceR | (also, this sort of thing might be why the industry calls them notebooks now) | Aug 07 09:11 |
| cubexyz | enough heat to melt a keyboard :-/ | Aug 07 09:12 |
| msb_ | Alternative would be reliable commercial laptop (Sony?) with multi-year warranty. | Aug 07 09:12 |
| msb_ | Perhaps less aggravation overall. | Aug 07 09:13 |
| MinceR | panasonic toughbook? | Aug 07 09:14 |
| cubexyz | the pitop might not generate a lot of heat | Aug 07 09:14 |
| MinceR | lenovo thinkpad? | Aug 07 09:14 |
| msb_ | Cost of $1200 spread over 4 years $1/day. | Aug 07 09:14 |
| oiaohm | Really I am tempts to built a new ATX one following mil using vesa mounting standard LCD screen. | Aug 07 09:15 |
| cubexyz | at least with the pitop you're dealing with easily replaceable parts | Aug 07 09:15 |
| oiaohm | Following the old mil | Aug 07 09:15 |
| oiaohm | Desing | Aug 07 09:15 |
| oiaohm | The mill one that is 1.2 metres is 3 screens. | Aug 07 09:16 |
| cubexyz | the rasberry pi just screws directly into the case | Aug 07 09:16 |
| cubexyz | looks easy to replace/upgrade | Aug 07 09:16 |
| oiaohm | The power management board worries me cubexyz | Aug 07 09:17 |
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| cubexyz | that indiegogo.com web site really sucks | Aug 07 09:21 |
| cubexyz | what is your concern over the power management board? | Aug 07 09:23 |
| oiaohm | lithim batteries and shorts are not you best friend. | Aug 07 09:24 |
| cubexyz | is there any laptop with solar panels? I thought OLPC had something like that | Aug 07 09:25 |
| MinceR | pretty much every laptop uses lithium batteries nowadays | Aug 07 09:25 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: it the way the connections are done. | Aug 07 09:26 |
| oiaohm | the power management board is one I would by nature spend a bit extra on putting some shielding on it. | Aug 07 09:28 |
| oiaohm | So fingers and other items cannot get into wrong places. | Aug 07 09:28 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: there have been laptops with solar pannels. | Aug 07 09:29 |
| oiaohm | Mostly avoided since heat + battery not exactly great idea. | Aug 07 09:29 |
| cubexyz | TRS-80 Model 100 ran on 4 AA batteries :) | Aug 07 09:29 |
| cubexyz | originally known as the Kyotronic 85 | Aug 07 09:30 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, ah I see | Aug 07 09:30 |
| cubexyz | maybe the solar panels could be external | Aug 07 09:30 |
| cubexyz | i.e. not built into the laptop's case | Aug 07 09:31 |
| oiaohm | Then it becomes really why not use a fold out solar pannel for charging. | Aug 07 09:31 |
| cubexyz | couldn't one hand crank the battery on the OLPC-1? | Aug 07 09:32 |
| cubexyz | also the TRS-80 Model 100 could run for 20 hours on 4 AAs | Aug 07 09:33 |
| oiaohm | http://www.voltaicsystems.com/ | Aug 07 09:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voltaicsystems.com | Voltaic Systems | Aug 07 09:34 | |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I guess you had not seen this stulff. | Aug 07 09:34 |
| oiaohm | This stuff makes the idea of embed solar pannel in device mostly pointless and harmful. | Aug 07 09:34 |
| cubexyz | interesting | Aug 07 09:35 |
| oiaohm | https://www.k-tor.com/hand-crank-generator/ | Aug 07 09:36 |
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| oiaohm | If you want to do your arms in cubexyz | Aug 07 09:36 |
| cubexyz | hmmm, any rechargeable device that consumes less than 10 watts | Aug 07 09:37 |
| oiaohm | https://www.k-tor.com/pedal-powered-generator/ | Aug 07 09:38 |
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| oiaohm | The pedal power stuff is more serous and more human friendly. | Aug 07 09:38 |
| oiaohm | Hand cranking is mostly toy stuff cubexyz | Aug 07 09:39 |
| cubexyz | I see | Aug 07 09:39 |
| oiaohm | And most pedal power generators designed right can be hand operated. | Aug 07 09:39 |
| oiaohm | Ok you need a table/floor to use them. | Aug 07 09:40 |
| oiaohm | The problem is most of this stuff is not cheap cubexyz | Aug 07 09:42 |
| cubexyz | OLPC-1 has an external hand crank is $13 | Aug 07 09:44 |
| oiaohm | Problem is how long you can keep that up. | Aug 07 09:44 |
| oiaohm | I know pedal power from the fact Australian radios for flying doctors used them. | Aug 07 09:45 |
| oiaohm | Yes those old radios are down right power hungry. | Aug 07 09:45 |
| oiaohm | so running a device for 8 hours by pedal power is possible. | Aug 07 09:46 |
| oiaohm | Even better while operating the pedals you can be using the device. | Aug 07 09:46 |
| cubexyz | sears sold something like that but it didn't power anything | Aug 07 09:46 |
| cubexyz | solely for exercise | Aug 07 09:46 |
| oiaohm | Its not a complex device. | Aug 07 09:47 |
| oiaohm | http://www.gotwind.org/diy/300w-Pedal-generator.htm There are some quite serous power supply levels achivable | Aug 07 09:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gotwind.org | 300w pedal generator [ http://ur1.ca/ndngg ] | Aug 07 09:49 | |
| oiaohm | and starting off with a bike you can have gearing. | Aug 07 09:49 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: Its something I have thought as wrong for a long time. | Aug 07 09:51 |
| oiaohm | Is why do work sports centre devices cannot be powered by the humans in them. | Aug 07 09:51 |
| oiaohm | All the effort the people who go there to work out used they should have a zero power bill. | Aug 07 09:52 |
| cubexyz | he's achieving 150 watts for 1/2 hour | Aug 07 09:52 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, that's a very valid point | Aug 07 09:52 |
| cubexyz | a lot of things in our society do not bear close scrutiny | Aug 07 09:53 |
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| cubexyz | why do OEMs almost never preload Linux or BSD? | Aug 07 09:54 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly true | Aug 07 09:54 |
| oiaohm | Lot of OEM preload. just retailers don't buy them. | Aug 07 09:54 |
| oiaohm | Preload Linux | Aug 07 09:55 |
| MinceR | they do, in chrome os devices and in android devices | Aug 07 09:55 |
| MinceR | also in SBC-s | Aug 07 09:55 |
| oiaohm | From HP under enterprise I can order laptops with ubuntu or debian custom images | Aug 07 09:55 |
| oiaohm | That is where when you open up the new HP laptop box the customers internal Linux is already installed. | Aug 07 09:56 |
| oiaohm | And tested | Aug 07 09:56 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: so its more a question why retailers don't order it. | Aug 07 09:57 |
| cubexyz | yes everyone seems to be selling chromebooks and chromeboxes | Aug 07 09:57 |
| oiaohm | Because retailers believe they can move them. | Aug 07 09:58 |
| cubexyz | I don't like the chromebooks keyboards so I'm more interested in chromeboxes | Aug 07 09:58 |
| oiaohm | HP Dell lentivo(misspelt) I know sell Linux preinstalled laptops to enterprises | Aug 07 09:58 |
| oiaohm | And do to retails who order it as well. | Aug 07 09:58 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: going back 15 years finding OEMs who would put a Linux image on at factory was hard. | Aug 07 10:03 |
| oiaohm | Today its not. | Aug 07 10:03 |
| oiaohm | Now finding a OEM who will sell it general retail or it is general retail that is a test. | Aug 07 10:03 |
| cubexyz | I don't think any of my LCDs have display ports | Aug 07 10:05 |
| oiaohm | Lucky for display port to hdmi | Aug 07 10:09 |
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| msb_ | cubexyz: What's wrong with chromebook keyboards? | Aug 07 10:27 |
| cubexyz | the one I used felt really cheap | Aug 07 10:27 |
| msb_ | How so? Tactile feel? | Aug 07 10:28 |
| cubexyz | yeah, it felt mushy | Aug 07 10:28 |
| cubexyz | also the keys were pretty tiny | Aug 07 10:28 |
| msb_ | Can one put real Linux on a chromebook? | Aug 07 10:28 |
| cubexyz | sure | Aug 07 10:28 |
| msb_ | So you | Aug 07 10:29 |
| msb_ | So you're not restricted to their cloud, appstore, whatever? | Aug 07 10:29 |
| cubexyz | nope | Aug 07 10:29 |
| msb_ | http://www.techradar.com/us/news/mobile-computing/laptops/best-chromebooks-top-5-chromebooks-in-the-us-1233696 | Aug 07 10:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techradar.com | 10 Best Chromebooks 2015: top Chromebooks reviewed | TechRadar [ http://ur1.ca/ndnut ] | Aug 07 10:31 | |
| msb_ | For $300, some of those look very good! | Aug 07 10:31 |
| msb_ | Does the keyboard at least give an audio click? | Aug 07 10:32 |
| msb_ | Or is that something you can turn on in Linux? | Aug 07 10:32 |
| cubexyz | there's xset b on | Aug 07 10:32 |
| cubexyz | that's why I was thinking about chromebox instead | Aug 07 10:34 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: looks like xset c in my manpage. | Aug 07 10:34 |
| cubexyz | then I can just connect any usb keyboard to it... of course you could do the same thing on a chromebook | Aug 07 10:34 |
| cubexyz | msb_, may depend on which terminal emulator is used | Aug 07 10:38 |
| msb_ | Do those chromebooks have ethernet? Or do you have to go thru a USB2 adapter? | Aug 07 10:46 |
| msb_ | I don't want to fry my brain with wifi. | Aug 07 10:46 |
| msb_ | But I guess if I'm out and about wifi is the only choice. | Aug 07 10:49 |
| msb_ | Well I can wear my usual tinfoil-lined hat that I use to keep out the reptoid mind-rays. | Aug 07 10:50 |
| msb_ | That's for schestowitz, who said I'm full of looney ideas. | Aug 07 10:50 |
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| msb_ | The chromebooks look better than the Pi-Top for about the same price. | Aug 07 10:53 |
| cubexyz | hopefully the insectoids and reptilians will cancel each other out :) | Aug 07 10:56 |
| msb_ | But I sure want a high-speed ethernet connection to transfer data to/from my desktop. | Aug 07 10:56 |
| msb_ | I think the reptilians _eat_ the insectoids! | Aug 07 10:56 |
| cubexyz | haha | Aug 07 10:57 |
| cubexyz | yeah they eat the small ones | Aug 07 10:57 |
| msb_ | And the pupas of the big ones. Say they taste like shrimp. | Aug 07 10:57 |
| msb_ | This has been an extremely educational discussion! I love this channel, even though I get kicked off of it occasionally. | Aug 07 11:02 |
| msb_ | Only time I used wifi for more than a few seconds I put a transceiver at the end of a 15-foot ethernet cable to keep the field strength down at my head (inverse-square law). | Aug 07 11:13 |
| msb_ | It's not the heating that does the damage from the RF, it's exertion of force on replicating chromosomes because the RF permeability of the chromosomes is different from that of the cytoplasm/nucleoplasm. Moves the chromosomes around like iron filings in a magnetic field, causing mutations. | Aug 07 11:15 |
| msb_ | This was discovered in the 1950s. | Aug 07 11:16 |
| msb_ | And monkeys have been given brain cancer by fastening cellphones to the side of their head. | Aug 07 11:17 |
| msb_ | This is real. I am not kidding. | Aug 07 11:17 |
| msb_ | In the 1950s experiments were done with putting growing garlic root tips in a strong RF field (100volt/inch). After a few hours they showed every chromosome abnormality known to man. | Aug 07 11:22 |
| msb_ | This was in one chapter of a great science book I had as a kid. Another chapter talked about running a relativistic electron beam from an accelerator through a metallic comb structure, and a beam of blue light shot out of it!. The spacing of the comb teeth was reduced to the wavelength of light by relativity. | Aug 07 11:27 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A Couple of Mockups for Plasma Mobile Look | Aug 07 11:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A Couple of Mockups for Plasma Mobile Look Better than the Original | Tux Machines | Aug 07 11:28 | |
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| cubexyz | I don't use cellphones or wifi | Aug 07 11:35 |
| msb_ | If you must use a cellphone in an emergency, set it to "speaker" and hold it at arm's length. | Aug 07 11:39 |
| msb_ | Cuts down the field strength by about 100x. | Aug 07 11:41 |
| cubexyz | most newer chromebooks don't have an ethernet port | Aug 07 11:42 |
| cubexyz | you would need to use a USB to Ethernet adapter | Aug 07 11:43 |
| abeNd-org | & good luck finding one that is actually supported | Aug 07 11:43 |
| cubexyz | although the Acer C7 chromebook has an ethernet port | Aug 07 11:44 |
| cubexyz | the C7 has a VGA port as well | Aug 07 11:46 |
| cubexyz | good for older computer people like me :) | Aug 07 11:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Mint 17.2 "Rafaela" KDE Released with KDE | Aug 07 11:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 4.14.2 and Linux Kernel 3.16 | Aug 07 11:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint 17.2 "Rafaela" KDE Released with KDE 4.14.2 and Linux Kernel 3.16 | Tux Machines | Aug 07 11:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu's Deb-Based Software Center Fails As An | Aug 07 11:46 |
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| msb_ | I just google for linux <thing's model number> to find out if Linux supports it. | Aug 07 11:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sdtimes.com | TechValidate surveys Red Hat Enterprise Linux developers - SD Times | Aug 07 11:51 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Mozilla Firefox 39.0.3 Hotfix Out Now to Patch a Critical Issue in the Built-in PDF Viewer - Softpedia | Aug 07 11:51 | |
| msb_ | Some poor soul using Ubuntu will have tried it. | Aug 07 11:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LibreOffice 5.0 Is a Milestone Release for | Aug 07 11:56 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Who will be the Ubuntu of Hadoop? | Aug 07 11:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infoworld.com | Who will be the Ubuntu of Hadoop? | InfoWorld | Aug 07 11:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines digiKam Software Collection 4.12.0 released... | Aug 07 11:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digikam.org | digiKam Software Collection 4.12.0 released... | digiKam - Photo Management Program | Aug 07 11:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A Couple of Mockups for Plasma Mobile Look | Aug 07 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Better than the Original http://t.co/nnIxop0jyc | Aug 07 12:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | A Couple of Mockups for Plasma Mobile Look Better than the Original - Softpedia | Aug 07 12:00 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Mint 17.2 "Rafaela" KDE Released with KDE | Aug 07 12:00 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu's Deb-Based Software Center Fails As An | Aug 07 12:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Ubuntu's Deb-Based Software Center Fails As An App Store - Phoronix | Aug 07 12:00 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines https://t.co/HmMRJwD8oN | Aug 07 12:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (kdeonlinux.wordpress.com) | Aug 07 12:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kdeonlinux.wordpress.com | Breeze Icons in Plasma 5.4 and future work | KDE and LINUX | Aug 07 12:19 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines “I hope you enjoy the plasma 5.4 release.” | Aug 07 12:19 |
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| cubexyz | interesting situation with the monitors | Aug 07 13:21 |
| cubexyz | there's input priority on the benq monitor | Aug 07 13:22 |
| cubexyz | there's input priority on the benq monitor | Aug 07 13:35 |
| cubexyz | oops | Aug 07 13:35 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE's Breeze Icons Get Expanded For Plasma 5.4 | Aug 07 13:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE's Breeze Icons Get Expanded For Plasma 5.4 | Tux Machines | Aug 07 13:42 | |
| cubexyz | displayport worries me a little | Aug 07 13:48 |
| cubexyz | there's some optional DRM mechanism | Aug 07 13:49 |
| cubexyz | it seems VGA and DVI are going the way of the dodo to be replace by DisplayPort and HDMI | Aug 07 13:50 |
| schestowitz | phoronux just slammed them | Aug 07 13:58 |
| schestowitz | for their binary driver | Aug 07 13:58 |
| schestowitz | *phoronix | Aug 07 13:58 |
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| msb_ | Well, fortunately, with GNU/Linux, we can use whatever driver we want, and to hell with any DRM. | Aug 07 14:16 |
| msb_ | Worst case, whoever cracks it can put it up anonymously, and Linux users can download it by a variety of means, and from a variety of places. North Korea and Iran must be good for something. 8^) | Aug 07 14:19 |
| msb_ | Hopefully Sony doesn't have its own drone fleet. | Aug 07 14:20 |
| msb_ | Since Microsoft has said it will copy from any Windows 10 user any files that it feels are relevant for regulating the system, presumably that will include programs to circumvent DRM. | Aug 07 14:26 |
| msb_ | Can Poettering do any less in his version of Windowsd? He must report any anti-DRM software directly to the NSA. | Aug 07 14:27 |
| cubexyz | well that's part of why the openbsd folks view Linux with some concern | Aug 07 14:28 |
| cubexyz | Linux is drifting farther away from traditional Unix with projects like systemd and wayland | Aug 07 14:29 |
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| msb_ | Well, I used BSD at the University of California by phone-modem and BASIC terminal emulator in the 1990s and paid for the privilege. I guess that if Linus and RMS won't protect Linux from the Poettering takeover I can go back to BSD today. | Aug 07 14:32 |
| cubexyz | so GNOME and KDE will become harder to port to BSD... not a good thing | Aug 07 14:32 |
| cubexyz | e.g. GNOME/KDE increasingly rely on systemd components | Aug 07 14:33 |
| cubexyz | apparently the newer versions of GNOME can't run with BSD init | Aug 07 14:35 |
| cubexyz | I'm sure someone will fix that though | Aug 07 14:37 |
| cubexyz | one good thing openbsd does is run Xorg as a user instead of root | Aug 07 14:40 |
| cubexyz | fedora 16 still ran Xorg as root | Aug 07 14:41 |
| cubexyz | not sure about newer Linuxes | Aug 07 14:41 |
| msb_ | There are lots of posts on the trinity mailing lists about a TDE distribution for BSD. So the TDE fork of KDE3 will be available for BSD. And it does not and will not depend on systemd. As to KDE4/5, KDE4 had lots of problems, and 5 probably does to, whereas KDE3 is excellent. | Aug 07 14:44 |
| cubexyz | ok, any bsd distro with trinity ready to go? | Aug 07 14:44 |
| cubexyz | I'd run that for sure | Aug 07 14:45 |
| msb_ | I don't think so yet, but people are working hard on it. | Aug 07 14:45 |
| msb_ | 17 list posts in the last few months, and "the freebsd ports tree from from tde-packaging" is mentioned. | Aug 07 14:48 |
| msb_ | (with only one "from" -- my error) | Aug 07 14:50 |
| cubexyz | I could try compiling some parts of trinity myself | Aug 07 14:51 |
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| msb_ | Here are the list archives: http://trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net/ http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ | Aug 07 14:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net | trinity-devel@lists.pearsoncomputing.net [ http://ur1.ca/ndqhi ] | Aug 07 14:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net | trinity-users@lists.pearsoncomputing.net [ http://ur1.ca/ndqhj ] | Aug 07 14:54 | |
| cubexyz | I assume I can't just compile it with the KDE 3.5.10 libraries | Aug 07 14:54 |
| msb_ | And here's the website: https://www.trinitydesktop.org/index.php | Aug 07 14:55 |
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| cubexyz | guess I'll start with kdelibs-trinity | Aug 07 14:56 |
| msb_ | Probably not, but don't take my word for it. #trinity-desktop on irc.opensuse.org | Aug 07 14:57 |
| msb_ | I recommend reading the list posts first. | Aug 07 14:58 |
| msb_ | I think they did some major fiddling with the qt libraries. | Aug 07 15:00 |
| cubexyz | well there's kdelibs-trinity so... I figure I need those first | Aug 07 15:00 |
| msb_ | I tend to gather all available info first. But as the crazed surgeon said, "Suture self!" | Aug 07 15:02 |
| cubexyz | I wouldn't mind getting kooka working again | Aug 07 15:04 |
| cubexyz | it stopped working because of the switch to libusb | Aug 07 15:04 |
| msb_ | As to gnome, I don't remember if I ever tried it, but it doesn't seem to have a good reputation among professional Linux users. | Aug 07 15:10 |
| cubexyz | you never used gtk? | Aug 07 15:13 |
| msb_ | I use gFTP. | Aug 07 15:14 |
| msb_ | I haven't done much with graphics in Linux, I'm sorry to say. Gotta make time for that! | Aug 07 15:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Ubuntu | Tux Machines | Aug 07 15:54 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6437404 | Aug 07 16:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Just been stopped in the street again by #mormon missionaries; turns out one who's from #utah had her dad work for #novell before #hovsepian | Aug 07 16:19 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 07 16:19 |
| schestowitz | They send women out on missions where you are? | Aug 07 16:19 |
| schestowitz | In the U.S., as far as I know, only men go on missions. | Aug 07 16:19 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 07 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Not only did they send women, they were going into a rough neighbourhood in Manchester (Clayton), which probably didn't make them safe TBH | Aug 07 16:19 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6438012 | Aug 07 16:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Privacy Badger 1.0 Is Here To Stop Online Tracking! https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/08/privacy-badger-10-here-stop-online-tracking #eff #surveillance | Aug 07 16:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.eff.org | Privacy Badger 1.0 Is Here To Stop Online Tracking! | Electronic Frontier Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/ndi22 ] | Aug 07 16:20 | |
| schestowitz | "pdfjs.disabled has (for I don’t know how long) been true on my Firefox. I suspect this is why the built-in pdf viewer isn’t used when click on a link to a pdf file. I guess this means I was already immune to this. Mozilla blog past indicates some add-ons might have made me immune as well, but doesn’t bother to tell me what those are." | Aug 07 16:20 |
| schestowitz | "Hmm. Not at all sure about pdfjs.disabled." | Aug 07 16:22 |
| amarsh04 | I learn something new again from #radeon <agd5f> amarsh04, the drm core subsystem is incompatible with kexec the way it's currently designed | Aug 07 16:28 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Why Linux enthusiasts are arguing over Purism's | Aug 07 16:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | sleek, idealistic Librem laptops | Aug 07 16:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Why Linux enthusiasts are arguing over Purism's sleek, idealistic Librem laptops | Tux Machines | Aug 07 16:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Wine development release 1.7.49 is now | Aug 07 16:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | available http://t.co/MsuxJfqVFl | Aug 07 16:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Wine development release 1.7.49 is now available | Tux Machines | Aug 07 16:58 | |
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| cubexyz | msb_, ok first step in building kdelibs-trinity... update libtool | Aug 07 17:47 |
| cubexyz | I'll keep notes | Aug 07 17:48 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/629741643785203713 https://twitter.com/RamiSilawi/status/629770605252907008 | Aug 07 17:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Psychologist’s Work for GCHQ Deception Unit Inflames Debate Among Peers @schestowitz @ruskin147 http://t.co/Tm30yHS0Gg | Aug 07 17:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> firstlook.org | Psychologist’s Work for GCHQ Deception Unit Inflames Debate Among Peers | Aug 07 17:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamiSilawi: My desktop rocks! What about yours? #GoLinux #Linux #free #secure #opensource #privacy #productivity http://t.co/FEsEgn6Enn | Aug 07 17:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamiSilawi: My desktop rocks! What about yours? #GoLinux #Linux #free #secure #opensource #privacy #productivity http://t.co/FEsEgn6Enn | Aug 07 17:49 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Aug 07 17:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CentOS Linux 6.7 released | Aug 07 17:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CentOS Linux 6.7 released | Tux Machines | Aug 07 17:53 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gaby.wordpress.com | The rise of useless interface design and the humanity killed by it | de wilde Blog [ http://ur1.ca/nds7e ] | Aug 07 18:20 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora: The Latest | Tux Machines | Aug 07 18:44 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Chromebooks in school: How to pick the best | Aug 07 18:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | laptop for any student http://t.co/nQZjcJb0Nm | Aug 07 18:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Aug 07 19:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines An Everyday Linux User Review Of Elementary OS | Aug 07 19:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Freya http://t.co/wAHMcXk9h1 | Aug 07 19:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | An Everyday Linux User Review Of Elementary OS Freya | Tux Machines | Aug 07 19:04 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6438867 | Aug 07 19:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@harryhaller@nerdpol.ch: Microsoft Crime Persists: [AstroTurfing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing) a Regular Practice, Reddit Full of Paid Microsoft AstroTurfers | Techrights - http://techrights.org/2013/06/09/reddit-infiltrated/ __“Mind Control: To control mental output you have to control mental input. Take control of the channels by which developers receive information, then they can only think about the things you tell them. | Aug 07 19:18 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 07 19:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> en.wikipedia.org | Astroturfing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/ndsn6 ] | Aug 07 19:18 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Crime Persists: AstroTurfing a Regular Practice, Reddit Full of Paid Microsoft AstroTurfers | Techrights - http://techrights.org/2013/06/09/reddit-infiltrated/ | Aug 07 19:18 |
| schestowitz | “Mind Control: To control mental output you have to control mental input. Take control of the channels by which developers receive information, then they can only think about the things you tell them. Thus, you control mindshare!” (Microsoft: ibid) | Aug 07 19:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Microsoft Crime Persists: AstroTurfing a Regular Practice, Reddit Full of Paid Microsoft AstroTurfers | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/e99i2 ] | Aug 07 19:18 | |
| schestowitz | N.B Expired link to businessinsider.com here: | Aug 07 19:18 |
| schestowitz | As for the evidence of the latest claims, here it is | Aug 07 19:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> web.archive.org | Microsoft Has Hired People To Make Positive Comments About Xbox One On Reddit, Contractor Says | Business Insider Australia [ http://ur1.ca/ndsn9 ] | Aug 07 19:18 | |
| schestowitz | Well, here it is ;) | Aug 07 19:18 |
| schestowitz | via Roy | Aug 07 19:18 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2015/05/28/reddit-censorship/ | Aug 07 19:19 |
| schestowitz | #lest-we-forget #2013 #microsoft #astroturfing #reddit #techrights | Aug 07 19:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Censorship on Reddit Has Gotten (Condé) Nasty and Silent, Even Actively Silenced | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/mnwj0 ] | Aug 07 19:19 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 07 19:19 |
| schestowitz | http://web.archive.org/web/20130729140725/http://au.businessinsider.com/microsoft-positive-reddit-comments-2013-6 | Aug 07 19:19 |
| schestowitz | Some of them libel me there... | Aug 07 19:19 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6435204 | Aug 07 19:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #apple is head-hunting http://www.bidnessetc.com/49510-apple-inc-reportedly-hiring-android-engineers-is-google-android-at-risk/ http://betanews.com/2015/08/06/apple-is-hiring-android-software-engineers-but-why/ | Aug 07 19:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bidnessetc.com | Apple Inc. Reportedly Hiring Android Engineers, Is Google Android At Risk? [ http://ur1.ca/ndsni ] | Aug 07 19:19 | |
| schestowitz | "After all the fuss and threats Apple made against Google for doing the same. You just can’t trust Apple, can you?' | Aug 07 19:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> betanews.com | Apple is hiring Android software engineers -- but why? [ http://ur1.ca/ndsnj ] | Aug 07 19:19 | |
| schestowitz | Jobs laughs at sacking workers for it | Aug 07 19:19 |
| cubexyz | I have never given Apple any money | Aug 07 19:20 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing | Aug 07 19:20 |
| cubexyz | when the Apple II came out, I thought it was too expensive | Aug 07 19:20 |
| cubexyz | although it was a nice computer | Aug 07 19:20 |
| cubexyz | the original price was $1298 US with 4K of ram :) | Aug 07 19:21 |
| cubexyz | the Commodore PET was $795 US | Aug 07 19:22 |
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| cubexyz | I think there's probably astroturing on slashdot as well | Aug 07 19:24 |
| cubexyz | experts estimate that 1/3 of all consumer reviews on the internet are fake | Aug 07 19:25 |
| cubexyz | I thought Xbox was crap | Aug 07 19:28 |
| cubexyz | no one paid me to say that :) | Aug 07 19:28 |
| cubexyz | just clearing the air | Aug 07 19:29 |
| schestowitz | http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/35939/ | Aug 07 19:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lxer.com | LXer: free as a puppy: Open source: Free as in speech, beer - or puppy? | Aug 07 19:30 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 07 19:30 |
| schestowitz | yup, Free Software is free as a puppy, and if you take good care of it, it will grow into a healthy happy dog that will always be yours. | Aug 07 19:30 |
| schestowitz | just as closed source is like rent-a-dog. if the rent-a-dog business folds, your dog will be taken away as it's owned by the creditors, and you have no hope of ever getting it back. | Aug 07 19:30 |
| schestowitz | as for sourceforge, i don't agree that they did nothing wrong. sure, the GPL allows repackaging, but it does not allow misrepresenting the authors. | Aug 07 19:30 |
| schestowitz | sourceforge is a site that hosts authors products. as such it claims that the packages available for download are as they were created by the authors. at least this is what sourceforge was known for for a long time. by repackaging, sourceforge is lying about that claim and breaking users expectations. | Aug 07 19:30 |
| schestowitz | [url=http://sourceforge.net/p/forge/documentation/Verifying downloaded files/]http://sourceforge.net/p/forge/documentation/Verifying downl...[/url] | Aug 07 19:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sourceforge.net | SourceForge.net: Log In to SourceForge.net [ http://ur1.ca/ndsq3 ] | Aug 07 19:30 | |
| schestowitz | Quoting: | Aug 07 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Project developers may also find it useful to use checksums to verify that the upload process went smoothly, and that the file on our servers after upload is in fact the same as the file on your computer. | Aug 07 19:30 |
| schestowitz | [url=http://sourceforge.net/p/forge/documentation/Release Files for Download/]http://sourceforge.net/p/forge/documentation/Release Files f...[/url] | Aug 07 19:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sourceforge.net | SourceForge.net: Log In to SourceForge.net [ http://ur1.ca/ndsq4 ] | Aug 07 19:30 | |
| schestowitz | both pages suggest that files for download are as created by the original authors. | Aug 07 19:30 |
| schestowitz | repackaging without telling the users may not be illegal (and i am not even sure about that), but it certainly is dishonest and immoral. | Aug 07 19:30 |
| schestowitz | greetings, eMBee. | Aug 07 19:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 07 19:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 07 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Unless they have an agreement with the authors, it almost certainly is. That's what copyright is all about, after all. | Aug 07 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Now, getting a court to agree to such a common sense position is always uncertain, especially in the past few years where political connections seem to trump everything else. | Aug 07 19:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 07 19:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 07 19:31 |
| schestowitz | sounds like a trap. | Aug 07 19:31 |
| schestowitz | the irritating part is not that they are doing that, but that there appears to be no opt-out, and no indication whether a package is updated by slashdot media. | Aug 07 19:31 |
| schestowitz | greetings, martin. | Aug 07 19:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 07 19:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 07 19:32 |
| schestowitz | It does indeed. Now why exactly do you suppose they would have felt the need to add that to their terms of use? /sarcasm. | Aug 07 19:32 |
| schestowitz | It's a shame, really. Sourceforge was about all that remained of the once proud Linux company VA Linux. To see them fall this low is painful to watch. | Aug 07 19:32 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 07 19:32 |
| schestowitz | http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/35942/ | Aug 07 19:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lxer.com | LXer: Doesn't appear to adress privacy: OS showdown: Windows 10 vs Linux | Aug 07 19:32 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 07 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft’s new small print – how your personal data is (ab)used | Aug 07 19:32 |
| schestowitz | https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-persona... | Aug 07 19:33 |
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| schestowitz | Does anyone know if this is Windows 10 specific? Or does this new policy apply across the board to all Windows versions? | Aug 07 19:33 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 07 19:33 |
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| msb__ | Power failure while I slept!!! | Aug 07 19:47 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Puri_sm/status/629805559340888066?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email | Aug 07 20:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Puri_sm: @schestowitz We agree Roy. Why not pick on the real enemies of freedom? Why not fight together instead of against each other? | Aug 07 20:11 | |
| schestowitz | msb__: good for power bill | Aug 07 20:11 |
| schestowitz | but not for food in the freezer | Aug 07 20:12 |
| msb__ | It was only for an hour or so. | Aug 07 20:13 |
| cubexyz | that's a long failure | Aug 07 20:15 |
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| msb__ | I don't know exactly. It was back on when I woke up. | Aug 07 20:17 |
| cubexyz | none of my UPSes would last an hour without power | Aug 07 20:17 |
| cubexyz | it would bring the server down | Aug 07 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, https://www.facebook.com/arstechnica/posts/10153094955738753 | Aug 07 20:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.facebook.com | Ars Technica - "The future, or a slice of it, can be found... | Facebook [ http://ur1.ca/ndt2i ] | Aug 07 20:29 | |
| DaemonFC | Thanks for that link, btw. | Aug 07 20:29 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/encycl/status/629811565957484544 | Aug 07 20:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@encycl: I threw mine in the garbage, too. https://t.co/8eDoqkw1Zi | Aug 07 20:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Eugene Kaspersky – founder of the so named antivirus company refuses to own a smartphone" http://t.co/4GyBzbVTXS makes sense | Aug 07 20:30 | |
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| msb__ | Powerloss! -- World of Ptavvs | Aug 07 21:12 |
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| msb__ | Stupid one-eyed alien with mind-control power looking for amplifier that would enable him to instantly control everyone in the Solar System. Larry Niven | Aug 07 21:15 |
| msb__ | I can't figure out why the volume level from my tv player script is gradually decreasing: | Aug 07 21:17 |
| msb__ | mplayer -ontop -tv \ | Aug 07 21:17 |
| msb__ | driver=v4l2:normid=0:buffersize=200\ | Aug 07 21:17 |
| msb__ | :alsa:adevice=hw.0:amode=2:audiorate=44100\ | Aug 07 21:17 |
| msb__ | :forceaudio:immediatemode=0 tv:// | Aug 07 21:17 |
| msb__ | The volume level from the .avi recording script has not changed. | Aug 07 21:18 |
| msb__ | I don't know what all that voodoo does. Mostly I copied it from other people's published scripts, years ago. | Aug 07 21:19 |
| msb__ | Volume has been decreasing over last several months. | Aug 07 21:20 |
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| cubexyz | check the mixer's PCM level | Aug 07 21:44 |
| cubexyz | in mplayer the / and * keys decrease and increase volume | Aug 07 21:46 |
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| cubexyz | try putting 'softvol="yes"' in .mplayer/config | Aug 07 21:57 |
| cubexyz | and softvol-max=200 | Aug 07 21:57 |
| cubexyz | that will enable the sound level to go twice as high | Aug 07 21:57 |
| cubexyz | but check your mixer settings first | Aug 07 21:57 |
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| msb__ | cubexyz: checked all mixer levels and volume level from TV cable box. Use 9 and 0 keys for volume adjustment, but they work the same as / and *. | Aug 07 22:06 |
| cubexyz | you're saying the volume is decreasing on tv viewing and nothing else? | Aug 07 22:07 |
| msb__ | Yep. Not even on TV recording. | Aug 07 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | Cortana keeps resetting itself and saying "Great! Now what would you like me to call you?". | Aug 07 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | It's done it to me four times since the 29th. | Aug 07 22:09 |
| msb__ | I sometimes use softvol-max=2000 (or 3000) for playing low volume videos. But it seems to work consistently. So far I can compensate for the volume decrease by boosting the capture pot for the relative audio channel in the mixer. | Aug 07 22:11 |
| msb__ | relative -> relevant | Aug 07 22:11 |
| cubexyz | sounds like there's something wrong with the card | Aug 07 22:12 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Cortana is some kind of (presumably evil) AI thing from Microsoft. 1. You're probably better off if it doesn't know who you are. 2. Why are you using Windows? | Aug 07 22:13 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: If there were, it should equally affect the mencoder video recording script, but the volume on those avi's is fine. | Aug 07 22:14 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: If you're a masochist, get a lover with a whip. 8*) | Aug 07 22:16 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: I suspect that mplayer or v4l2 or something is keeping a volume level setting somewhere (other than .mplayer/config, which only says to use 4 threads). | Aug 07 22:18 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: so you disable it and it turns back on all by itself? | Aug 07 22:22 |
| msb__ | Oh well, it just means I have to goose up the audio capture pot on the channel connected to the cable box when I run the tvview script. | Aug 07 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | No. | Aug 07 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | It just keeps forgetting everything like it just got installed. | Aug 07 22:23 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Oh well, maybe it will get fixed in the next update, when also Microsoft harvests your bank account password and names of all the media files on your machine. | Aug 07 22:26 |
| msb__ | It would be weird if somebody figures out how to intercept all that personal data going through the Windows 10 botnet, and is able to decode it. The end of privacy as we know it. Well, as _you_ know it. | Aug 07 22:28 |
| msb__ | Good thing you're not gay or anything. | Aug 07 22:29 |
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| msb__ | Every time we think that Microsoft can't possibly get _more_ evil, they surprise us. | Aug 07 22:34 |
| cubexyz | I'm not surprised | Aug 07 22:38 |
| oiaohm | I have found something interesting. | Aug 07 22:45 |
| oiaohm | don't install nvidia settings with nvidia drivers under Debian and vdpua plays up under plamsa but works under all other wms. | Aug 07 22:46 |
| oiaohm | That is some form of super oddity. | Aug 07 22:47 |
| oiaohm | Really I always thought Microsoft would have some sane limits due to risk to government contracts. | Aug 07 22:57 |
| oiaohm | but as more governments are looking at Linux there limits are disappearing. | Aug 07 22:57 |
| cubexyz | sane limits? | Aug 07 23:32 |
| msb__ | I thought we would be approaching the Singularity, but as Black Liberal Democrat Obama announces his intention to destroy Syria as he destroyed Libya, it seems more likely that we're approaching the Apocalypse. | Aug 07 23:32 |
| msb__ | Psychopaths are not sane. | Aug 07 23:34 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, different wms use different toolkits | Aug 07 23:34 |
| cubexyz | e.g. older x programs work better with mwm | Aug 07 23:34 |
| cubexyz | gtk programs work better with gnome etc | Aug 07 23:35 |
| msb__ | Psychopaths are not even functionally human. Obama smiles constantly as he commits mass murder. | Aug 07 23:35 |
| cubexyz | but I think Microsoft may just collapse or at least contract more | Aug 07 23:36 |
| cubexyz | too many gummed up layers of crap | Aug 07 23:36 |
| cubexyz | not saying Linux is perfect, but it's better than windows by far | Aug 07 23:36 |
| msb__ | And with the Internet, too many people know about it. | Aug 07 23:36 |
| cubexyz | not too many people running windows on old computers | Aug 07 23:38 |
| cubexyz | most of the time it's impossible | Aug 07 23:38 |
| cubexyz | so more and more old computers are converted over to Linux or BSD | Aug 07 23:38 |
| msb__ | Part of theWintel deal is to force people to buy new computers. | Aug 07 23:39 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I have different wm that use qt toolkit as well. | Aug 07 23:39 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: its just a oddity. | Aug 07 23:39 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: after installing nvidia settings the problem disappears. | Aug 07 23:40 |
| oiaohm | Sane limits historically have not been have OS auto spying on everyone who installs it out box. | Aug 07 23:41 |
| oiaohm | Because most have been smart enough to work out that inception was possible. | Aug 07 23:41 |
| cubexyz | that's just another chink in the armour of microsoft | Aug 07 23:42 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: Does spiffy new software like video editors get ported to BSD? Or can it be easily? | Aug 07 23:42 |
| oiaohm | msb__: the answer depends on what you are using. Mostly no. | Aug 07 23:42 |
| oiaohm | lightworks for example is Linux/Windows/OS X with no BSD version | Aug 07 23:43 |
| msb__ | Rats! | Aug 07 23:43 |
| cubexyz | avidemux, blender, cinelerra, kino... | Aug 07 23:44 |
| msb__ | Is there any kind of shim system to run Linux programs on bsd? | Aug 07 23:44 |
| cubexyz | yes | Aug 07 23:44 |
| cubexyz | although I haven't tried it... I just port stuff | Aug 07 23:44 |
| oiaohm | msb__: note the word mostly no. That means some are ported. | Aug 07 23:44 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: What's the shim system called? | Aug 07 23:45 |
| oiaohm | If you are after commerical grade with paid encoding codecs Linux/Windows/OS X is a must. | Aug 07 23:45 |
| oiaohm | msb__: bsd is a interesting beast. | Aug 07 23:45 |
| oiaohm | BSd kernel have changable syscall functionality per application. | Aug 07 23:46 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: I'm not interested in paying for anything. | Aug 07 23:46 |
| cubexyz | freebsd has Linux Binary Compatability | Aug 07 23:46 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: that Linux binary compadiblty comes form the bsd syscall system. | Aug 07 23:46 |
| cubexyz | in /etc/rc.conf you put linux_enable=YES | Aug 07 23:46 |
| msb__ | Freebsd runs Linux binaries??? | Aug 07 23:47 |
| msb__ | Wowie! | Aug 07 23:47 |
| cubexyz | also sometimes brandelf is needed | Aug 07 23:47 |
| cubexyz | if bsd says "ELF binary type not known" | Aug 07 23:47 |
| cubexyz | but I like to port stuff instead | Aug 07 23:48 |
| cubexyz | I run one openbsd machine, quasijarus, and bell labs Unix | Aug 07 23:48 |
| cubexyz | all the rest is Linux, with one Plan 9 box | Aug 07 23:49 |
| cubexyz | basically the Linux dev pool is bigger than the bsd dev pool | Aug 07 23:49 |
| oiaohm | msb__: solaris also runs Linux binaries inside zones. | Aug 07 23:50 |
| oiaohm | Linux syscalls due to stablity over time made there way into posix body standards. | Aug 07 23:50 |
| cubexyz | Linux and BSD used to be closer together | Aug 07 23:51 |
| oiaohm | Of course not all applications from Linux will work on BSD or other platforms with Linux binary support. | Aug 07 23:52 |
| cubexyz | if you have the source though... | Aug 07 23:53 |
| cubexyz | openbsd has mplayer and mencoder | Aug 07 23:53 |
| cubexyz | gnome on openbsd is gnome 2 | Aug 07 23:55 |
| cubexyz | just like KDE on openbsd is 3.5.10 : | Aug 07 23:55 |
| cubexyz | I've ported games to Unix v5 | Aug 07 23:57 |
| oiaohm | Biggest worry I have for BSD is how far they are behind on KMS implementation. | Aug 07 23:58 |
| oiaohm | BSD/Linux and Unix have historically had stupidity of two different things attempting to control GPU memory. | Aug 08 00:01 |
| cubexyz | you mean like the framebuffer and the video drivers? | Aug 08 00:04 |
| oiaohm | Yep | Aug 08 00:07 |
| oiaohm | Its the classic voodoo hand shake Unix systems did for years. | Aug 08 00:07 |
| oiaohm | Where X11 had to take over from framebuffer and reverse. | Aug 08 00:07 |
| oiaohm | and of course if one of them got it wrong everything failed graphically. | Aug 08 00:08 |
| cubexyz | openbsd on Vaxstations only has the framebuffer | Aug 08 00:09 |
| oiaohm | Of course once we are to KMS for graphical management we still have to solve how to reload graphics drivers without forcing full reset. | Aug 08 00:09 |
| cubexyz | openbsd has KMS now, since 5.4 I think | Aug 08 00:11 |
| oiaohm | Remember we are on to a 3 revision of KMS design. | Aug 08 00:11 |
| oiaohm | The early GEM stuff was completely stupid. | Aug 08 00:11 |
| cubexyz | what was stupid about it? | Aug 08 00:17 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Rendering_Infrastructure | Aug 08 00:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Direct Rendering Infrastructure - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nduhi ] | Aug 08 00:17 | |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: it was huge security hole. | Aug 08 00:17 |
| oiaohm | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76377 << Then you see this. | Aug 08 00:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugs.freedesktop.org | Bug 76377 – DRI3 should only be enabled on Linux due to a udev dependency [ http://ur1.ca/nduho ] | Aug 08 00:18 | |
| oiaohm | Yes we know DRI2 is broken but we don't fix the bsd side to use it. | Aug 08 00:18 |
| oiaohm | Opps to not use it. | Aug 08 00:18 |
| oiaohm | DRI1 and DRI2 drivers are insecure broken items. We want DRI3 or latter. | Aug 08 00:19 |
| oiaohm | Reason why DRI3 works so well is it returned to everything is a file. So normal application termination cleaning up what files an application has open works. Secuirty around files applies as well. | Aug 08 00:25 |
| cubexyz | I don't think I ever saw anything other than 80x25 on the text console on openbsd | Aug 08 00:32 |
| cubexyz | but I never saw the text console get corrupted either | Aug 08 00:33 |
| oiaohm | Its not exactly the text console appearing corrupted. | Aug 08 00:37 |
| oiaohm | Its where you have stupid colored dots on the top if the X11 screen | Aug 08 00:37 |
| oiaohm | because that is where the text has ended up. | Aug 08 00:37 |
| oiaohm | From the console. | Aug 08 00:37 |
| cubexyz | I've also seen the text console go complelete blank | Aug 08 00:39 |
| cubexyz | completely | Aug 08 00:41 |
| oiaohm | Yep that is another way for a failed transfer to happen. | Aug 08 00:44 |
| oiaohm | Graphical side of Unix/Linux/BSD world needs work. | Aug 08 00:44 |
| cubexyz | the bsd side seems fine | Aug 08 00:46 |
| cubexyz | at least it seems to have less screw ups | Aug 08 00:47 |
| cubexyz | why X can reset itself but not the framebuffer is beyond me | Aug 08 00:56 |
| cubexyz | msb__, have you ever heard of this: | Aug 08 01:14 |
| cubexyz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult | Aug 08 01:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Cargo cult - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Aug 08 01:15 | |
| msb__ | yes | Aug 08 01:16 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: the key problem with security things is the fact they can appear fine until they fail. kmscon idea is to increase the means to connect watchdog to console and reset it safely if it jamed. | Aug 08 01:21 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: basicallly vt lack of reset is partly linked to being heavly in kernel spaces single memory zone. | Aug 08 01:21 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: Hi! I'm sorry. Somebody called me up and then I fell asleep. What does Cargo Cult have to do with any of this? It reminds me of _Cat's Cradle_. | Aug 08 01:58 |
| msb__ | Is Earth culture a big Cargo Cult, at least JCI religion? We were visited by the Anunnaki a long time ago and they gave us some stuff and we've been praying for "God" to come back and give us more. | Aug 08 02:01 |
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| msb__ | Maybe one reason the US is attacking so many countries in the Middle East is because our rulers think there are some alien artifacts there, like a stargate or something. (That was in a movie.) | Aug 08 02:08 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: You're back! | Aug 08 02:09 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Godzilla_Govt/status/629813210053484544 | Aug 08 03:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Godzilla_Govt: SAVE US SCHESTOWITZ!! (Oh. You can't? Well keep troubleshooting anyway...) BOTNET!! RUN AWAY! AGHHH!! https://t.co/rYNO7pmohf | Aug 08 03:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The #Microsoft operated botnet is clearly out of control, or out of the scope of what's legal http://t.co/OShGtFl4Qt #vista10 | Aug 08 03:12 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/papazazz/status/629824425018441729 | Aug 08 03:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@papazazz: @schestowitz @alexhern I miss coontown♠️ | Aug 08 03:14 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6437404 | Aug 08 03:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Just been stopped in the street again by #mormon missionaries; turns out one who's from #utah had her dad work for #novell before #hovsepian | Aug 08 03:20 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Aug 08 03:20 |
| r_schestowitz | The message on the left is that women should be able to walk wherever, wearing whatever and men should control themselves. | Aug 08 03:20 |
| r_schestowitz | But Mormons are not on the left. This is a strongly paternalistic bunch. They’re responsible for their women. So you’re right, it’s no excuse. | Aug 08 03:20 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Aug 08 03:20 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines apple no longer believes it can restore ios | Aug 08 03:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | market share? http://t.co/Qnr3M5cpq0 | Aug 08 03:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mashable.com | Apple job posting suggests more apps for Android a possibility | Aug 08 03:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (mashable.com) | Aug 08 03:51 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: FSF/GNU http://t.co/poCXvFVNKp | Aug 08 03:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 08 03:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: FSF/GNU | Tux Machines | Aug 08 03:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BlackBerry's new Passport Silver Edition | Aug 08 03:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | spotted running Android http://t.co/MfV7FSBfHl | Aug 08 03:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 08 03:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | BlackBerry's new Passport Silver Edition spotted running Android | Tux Machines | Aug 08 03:51 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/haniefhaider/status/629922516514009088 https://twitter.com/pranesh_prakash/status/629923215222009857 | Aug 08 03:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@haniefhaider: No wonder monied media is in for #DonaldTrump .He has really exposed how the rotten political system works laying Hillary bare.@schestowitz | Aug 08 03:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pranesh_prakash: Reducing our dependence on proprietary software helps both #MakeInIndia and #DigitalIndia https://t.co/YrphCo11yQ | Aug 08 03:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #UK gov working to end its reliance on #Oracle http://t.co/Ro2f0w384l http://t.co/IBs4QYp0mu #uk firms can deploy and support #postgres | Aug 08 03:57 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Raspberry Pi Geocache kit | Aug 08 04:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Ilodfnrj8j (ovidiu.geekaliens.com) | Aug 08 04:05 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Keys to building an Open Source technology | Aug 08 04:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | practice in MEA http://t.co/JAyEG9oKZK | Aug 08 04:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.biztechafrica.com) | Aug 08 04:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.biztechafrica.com | Keys to building an Open Source technology practice in MEA | BiztechAfrica Mobile,Technology & IT News Africa | Aug 08 04:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Stellaris, An Ambitious Space Grand Strategy | Aug 08 04:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Game By Paradox, Announced & Coming To Linux | Aug 08 04:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/K1jeghO8c3 (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 08 04:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Stellaris, An Ambitious Space Grand Strategy Game By Paradox, Announced & Coming To Linux | GamingOnLinux | Aug 08 04:06 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CentOS Linux 6.7 released | Aug 08 04:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/9jyQxFOHUP (lwn.net) | Aug 08 04:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lwn.net | CentOS Linux 6.7 released [LWN.net] | Aug 08 04:09 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Wine development release 1.7.49 is now | Aug 08 04:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | available https://t.co/CgBhESxNZx | Aug 08 04:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.winehq.org) | Aug 08 04:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.winehq.org | WineHQ - Wine Announcement - The Wine development release 1.7.49 is now available. | Aug 08 04:09 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Why Linux enthusiasts are arguing over Purism's | Aug 08 04:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | sleek, idealistic Librem laptops | Aug 08 04:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/c5XbwFdudx (www.pcworld.com) | Aug 08 04:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com | Why Linux enthusiasts are arguing over Purism's sleek, idealistic Librem laptops | PCWorld | Aug 08 04:09 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Chromebooks in school: How to pick the best | Aug 08 04:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | laptop for any student http://t.co/o4NMJvpexf | Aug 08 04:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.zdnet.com) | Aug 08 04:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | Chromebooks in school: How to pick the best laptop for any student | ZDNet | Aug 08 04:13 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Important Firefox 39.0.3 Security Update | Aug 08 04:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Arrives in Ubuntu http://t.co/ORjvCxoSqL | Aug 08 04:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linux.softpedia.com) | Aug 08 04:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Important Firefox 39.0.3 Security Update Arrives in Ubuntu - Softpedia | Aug 08 04:14 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines An Everyday Linux User Review Of Elementary OS | Aug 08 04:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Freya http://t.co/M4CFhCZTts | Aug 08 04:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.everydaylinuxuser.com) | Aug 08 04:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.everydaylinuxuser.com | An Everyday Linux User Review Of Elementary OS Freya « Everyday Linux User | Aug 08 04:14 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/629927276801560576 | Aug 08 04:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: RT @schestowitz "If you work quickly, the cost of doing something new will seem lower in your mind." http://t.co/pDS8RdEnnw | Aug 08 04:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> jsomers.net | Speed matters: Why working quickly is more important than it seems « the jsomers.net blog | Aug 08 04:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Bq Ubuntu Phones Now Available for US Customers | Aug 08 04:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/0bStaemOlL (linux.softpedia.com) | Aug 08 04:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Bq Ubuntu Phones Now Available for US Customers - Softpedia | Aug 08 04:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS released | Aug 08 04:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/9tdp9VkW80 (lwn.net) | Aug 08 04:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lwn.net | Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS released [LWN.net] | Aug 08 04:18 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BlackBerry's new Passport Silver Edition | Aug 08 04:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | spotted running Android http://t.co/04PFqI3pdL | Aug 08 04:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phonearena.com) | Aug 08 04:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phonearena.com | BlackBerry's new Passport Silver Edition spotted running Android | Aug 08 04:18 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New GTK+ 3.18 Milestone Re-Implements | Aug 08 04:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Copy/Paste Across Multiple Screens | Aug 08 04:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/GqSXbkWghY (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 08 04:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | New GTK+ 3.18 Milestone Reimplements Copy/Paste Across Multiple Screens - Softpedia | Aug 08 04:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines ‘LG Wine Smart’ Flip Phone With Android 5.1.1 | Aug 08 04:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | On Board Will Make International Debut | Aug 08 04:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/sx6vjDJeLD (www.ibtimes.com) | Aug 08 04:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.com | ‘LG Wine Smart’ Flip Phone With Android 5.1.1 On Board Will Make International Debut | Aug 08 04:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BQ Aquaris E45 Ubuntu Edition review | Aug 08 04:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Tabf3Eyzjp (www.techradar.com) | Aug 08 04:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techradar.com | BQ Aquaris E45 Ubuntu Edition review: Verdict | TechRadar | Aug 08 04:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora 23 Alpha Approved for August 11, Final | Aug 08 04:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Version to Arrive on October 27 | Aug 08 04:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/fN50U4hSrw (linux.softpedia.com) | Aug 08 04:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Fedora 23 Alpha Approved for August 11, Final Version to Arrive on October 27 - Softpedia | Aug 08 04:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Celebrate Ubuntu Touch's New Film Scope and Win | Aug 08 04:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | an Ubuntu Phone http://t.co/lYYYG0npOy | Aug 08 04:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 08 04:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Celebrate Ubuntu Touch's New Film Scope and Win an Ubuntu Phone - Softpedia | Aug 08 04:39 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Lite 2.6 Beta Released | Aug 08 04:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/MnHfiedkoM (www.linuxliteos.com) | Aug 08 04:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://www.linuxliteos.com/forums/release-announcements/linux-lite-2-6-beta-released/ ) | Aug 08 04:40 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @Cipherhouse retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Celebrate Ubuntu Touch's New Film Scope and Win...' | Aug 08 04:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Second Snappy Ubuntu Core 15.04 Stable Version | Aug 08 04:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Now Ready for Raspberry Pi 2 | Aug 08 04:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Z1OpfS0R6r (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 08 04:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Second Snappy Ubuntu Core 15.04 Stable Version Now Ready for Raspberry Pi 2 - Softpedia | Aug 08 04:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Why Android 'Fragmentation' Is A Good Thing | Aug 08 04:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/s9Km0yunAA | Aug 08 04:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.informationweek.com) good article | Aug 08 04:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.informationweek.com | Why Android Fragmentation Is A Good Thing - InformationWeek | Aug 08 04:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 20 best new Android apps and games this week | Aug 08 06:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/He1n4zFCFx (www.theguardian.com) | Aug 08 06:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | 20 best new Android apps and games this week | Technology | The Guardian | Aug 08 06:23 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora 23 Alpha Approved for August 11, Final | Aug 08 06:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Version to Arrive on October 27 | Aug 08 06:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/2nD9fTV0xk (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 08 06:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora 23 Alpha Approved for August 11, Final Version to Arrive on October 27 | Tux Machines | Aug 08 06:23 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Celebrate Ubuntu Touch's New Film Scope and Win | Aug 08 06:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | an Ubuntu Phone http://t.co/TNodvAmB4i | Aug 08 06:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 08 06:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Celebrate Ubuntu Touch's New Film Scope and Win an Ubuntu Phone | Tux Machines | Aug 08 06:54 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Lite 2.6 Beta Released | Aug 08 06:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/ZB3o2dDLLa (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 08 06:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Lite 2.6 Beta Released | Tux Machines | Aug 08 06:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Second Snappy Ubuntu Core 15.04 Stable Version | Aug 08 06:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Now Ready for Raspberry Pi 2 | Aug 08 06:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/FBiWmiU63z (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 08 06:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Second Snappy Ubuntu Core 15.04 Stable Version Now Ready for Raspberry Pi 2 | Tux Machines | Aug 08 06:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora 23 Alpha, Mint 17.2 KDE, and Tumbleweed | Aug 08 06:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/4roWgfAFJT (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 08 06:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora 23 Alpha, Mint 17.2 KDE, and Tumbleweed | Tux Machines | Aug 08 06:54 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AirWatch expands OS support for Tizen | Aug 08 07:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/T1i9rSO9EJ (www.tizenexperts.com) | Aug 08 07:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | TDC15 coming http://t.co/Tto3MSU0TM | Aug 08 07:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tizenexperts.com) | Aug 08 07:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | AirWatch expands OS support for Tizen and Samsung KNOX in AirWatch 8.1 release - Tizen Experts | Aug 08 07:20 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Get 50% off the Tizen Developer Conference 2015 Shenzhen until Aug 14 #TDC15 - Tizen Experts | Aug 08 07:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Some better fedora sites being worked on | Aug 08 07:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/DLzGt1So4L | Aug 08 07:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-anuradhanotes.blogspot.co.uk | Anu notes: Progress with integration | Aug 08 07:20 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora 23 Alpha — release set for Tuesday | Aug 08 07:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/rkfKIMhvGa (fedoramagazine.org) | Aug 08 07:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org | F23 Alpha is Go, fun at Flock, Firefox, Rawhide, and more - Fedora Magazine | Aug 08 07:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE's Breeze Icons Get Expanded For Plasma 5.4 | Aug 08 07:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/dB5PdaPavu (www.phoronix.com) | Aug 08 07:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | KDE's Breeze Icons Get Expanded For Plasma 5.4 - Phoronix | Aug 08 07:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Holy Potatoes! A Weapon Shop?! Simulation Game | Aug 08 07:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Comes To Linux! https://t.co/aHzdvf5Xwa | Aug 08 07:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 08 07:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Holy Potatoes! A Weapon Shop?! Simulation Game Comes To Linux! | GamingOnLinux | Aug 08 07:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tangiers Is A Horror Themed Stealth Game Coming | Aug 08 07:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | To Linux, I'm Going To Make Samsai Stream It | Aug 08 07:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/QXEaOKEx4N (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 08 07:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Tangiers Is A Horror Themed Stealth Game Coming To Linux, I'm Going To Make Samsai Stream It | GamingOnLinux | Aug 08 07:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @ozgunsarapcilik The Özgün Şarapları Daily is out! | Aug 08 07:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/g0oPOx141G (paper.li) Stories via | Aug 08 07:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @Virginia_Made @NES_SAAR @tuxmachines | Aug 08 07:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li | The Özgün Şarapları Daily | Aug 08 07:56 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BlackBerry Launches Android Secured Website for | Aug 08 08:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Enterprise Users http://t.co/wxwGslUk9q | Aug 08 08:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gadgets.ndtv.com | BlackBerry Launches Android Secured Website for Enterprise Users | NDTV Gadgets | Aug 08 08:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (gadgets.ndtv.com) | Aug 08 08:11 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Why do I still use Android? | Aug 08 08:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/SSJZPveDuU (bgr.com) | Aug 08 08:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com | iPhone Vs Android: iOS 9 eliminates the need to use Android | BGR | Aug 08 08:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 8/8/2015: Linux Mint 17.2, CentOS Linux | Aug 08 08:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 6.7 http://t.co/lIfmujr5kq (techrights.org) | Aug 08 08:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 8/8/2015: Linux Mint 17.2, CentOS Linux 6.7 | Techrights | Aug 08 08:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Devices http://t.co/zIr0uHrJUm | Aug 08 08:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 08 08:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Devices | Tux Machines | Aug 08 08:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Debian http://t.co/YWSu6O8LtN | Aug 08 08:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 08 08:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Debian | Tux Machines | Aug 08 08:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat and Fedora http://t.co/BNGVGWmgIS | Aug 08 08:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 08 08:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat and Fedora | Tux Machines | Aug 08 08:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ndxr5 | Aug 08 08:11 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/GzCxyOoEso | Aug 08 10:27 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ndyqp | Aug 08 10:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Aug 08 10:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/bGIH92e203 | Aug 08 10:27 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ndyqr | Aug 08 10:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Aug 08 10:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Detailed Smart Card Cryptographic Token | Aug 08 10:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Security Guide http://t.co/F2Z1h63OfR | Aug 08 10:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (changelog.complete.org) | Aug 08 10:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-changelog.complete.org | Detailed Smart Card Cryptographic Token Security Guide | The Changelog | Aug 08 10:27 | |
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| cubexyz | this seems apt what with windows 10 being all the rage: | Aug 08 13:32 |
| cubexyz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult_programming | Aug 08 13:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Cargo cult programming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/ne065 ] | Aug 08 13:32 | |
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| r_schestowitz | vista 10 is failing | Aug 08 13:54 |
| r_schestowitz | 12 CLAIMED downloads in 24 hours (first ones) | Aug 08 13:54 |
| r_schestowitz | claimed by Microsoft | Aug 08 13:55 |
| r_schestowitz | so let's assume 6 the next day, maybe 3..and so on | Aug 08 13:55 |
| r_schestowitz | One site I saw with web stats said 3% overall | Aug 08 13:55 |
| r_schestowitz | after a week | Aug 08 13:55 |
| r_schestowitz | i.e. around 30 mil | Aug 08 13:55 |
| r_schestowitz | that's pretty bad | Aug 08 13:55 |
| r_schestowitz | they claimed it was 'free' | Aug 08 13:55 |
| r_schestowitz | yet so few people touch it | Aug 08 13:55 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe it's at less than 50mil now, maybe 40 | Aug 08 13:56 |
| r_schestowitz | and a month from now still less than 100 | Aug 08 13:56 |
| r_schestowitz | Android has like 1000m | Aug 08 13:56 |
| r_schestowitz | or far more | Aug 08 13:56 |
| r_schestowitz | 2000 in the futuree | Aug 08 13:56 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BQ’s Ubuntu smartphones now available globally | Aug 08 14:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/e6gu4DzLmy (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 08 14:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ne0ff | Aug 08 14:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | BQ’s Ubuntu smartphones now available globally | Tux Machines | Aug 08 14:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Zorin OS 10 Lite and Business Editions Now | Aug 08 14:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Available for Download - Screenshot Tour | Aug 08 14:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/kb3alSebEd (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 08 14:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ne0fi | Aug 08 14:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Zorin OS 10 Lite and Business Editions Now Available for Download - Screenshot Tour | Tux Machines | Aug 08 14:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE Applications 15.08 RC for openSUSE | Aug 08 14:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/AgMQrLCuZ7 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 08 14:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ne0fk | Aug 08 14:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Applications 15.08 RC for openSUSE | Tux Machines | Aug 08 14:06 | |
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| Sosumi | vista 10? | Aug 08 14:29 |
| Sosumi | m$ is still around? | Aug 08 14:29 |
| Sosumi | I thought they had declared chapter 11 long time ago | Aug 08 14:29 |
| Sosumi | I kid, I kid... | Aug 08 14:30 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/censorednewsnow/status/629925820463730688?cn=cmV0d2VldF9tZW50aW9uZWRfdXNlcg%3D%3D&refsrc=email | Aug 08 16:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@censorednewsnow: Cease doing business with any business that uses #Windows 10 @schestowitz all their file contents emails etc, all go to #microspy @jmcest | Aug 08 16:08 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/censorednewsnow/status/629925955478421504?cn=cmV0d2VldF9tZW50aW9uZWRfdXNlcg%3D%3D&refsrc=email | Aug 08 16:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@censorednewsnow: Any lawfirm or professional under a legal obligation to keep professional records privileged @schestowitz must surely be in breach @jmcest | Aug 08 16:09 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6440190 | Aug 08 16:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: apple no longer believes it can restore ios market share? http://mashable.com/2015/08/05/apple-android-app-job/ | Aug 08 16:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> mashable.com | Apple job posting suggests more apps for Android a possibility [ http://ur1.ca/ne1dc ] | Aug 08 16:12 | |
| schestowitz | "#oligarchy" | Aug 08 16:12 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/i/redirect?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fcensorednewsnow%2Fstatus%2F629926079524941824%3Fcn%3DcmVwbHk%253D%26refsrc%3Demail&t=1&cn=cmVwbHk%3D&sig=f340b29c217494d310d01d53b59f0a01360ce4f6&iid=2312de63f28245fd8fb91ccae7aed414&uid=26603208&nid=27+1267 | Aug 08 16:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-twitter.com | https://twitter.com/censorednewsnow/status/629926079524941824?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email [ http://ur1.ca/ne1dw ] | Aug 08 16:14 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/censorednewsnow/status/629926079524941824?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email | Aug 08 16:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@censorednewsnow: of professional rules etc @schestowitz @jmcest if they 'upgrade' | Aug 08 16:14 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/censorednewsnow/status/629926151968935936 | Aug 08 16:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@censorednewsnow: http://t.co/JBRryNhc3S ROCKS @schestowitz ;) @jmcest | Aug 08 16:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.debian.org | Debian -- The Universal Operating System | Aug 08 16:15 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/katahiromz/status/630011714352734208?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email | Aug 08 16:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@katahiromz: @schestowitz useful is better than nothing. | Aug 08 16:16 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Lite 2.6 Enters Beta with LibreOffice 5.0 | Aug 08 17:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and New Control Center, Based on Ubuntu 14.04.3 | Aug 08 17:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | LTS http://t.co/grT5q1PfMl | Aug 08 17:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 08 17:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ne23v | Aug 08 17:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Lite 2.6 Enters Beta with LibreOffice 5.0 and New Control Center, Based on Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS | Tux Machines | Aug 08 17:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Ubuntu http://t.co/zq3eLpPxgV | Aug 08 17:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 08 17:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ne23z | Aug 08 17:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Ubuntu | Tux Machines | Aug 08 17:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: KDE and Mint http://t.co/SNscRqahK1 | Aug 08 17:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 08 17:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ne240 | Aug 08 17:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: KDE and Mint | Tux Machines | Aug 08 17:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Leftovers http://t.co/EOzhq7moVW | Aug 08 17:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 08 17:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Aug 08 17:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ne242 | Aug 08 17:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Mozilla We Want http://t.co/HIUIKid9IH | Aug 08 17:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 08 17:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ne244 | Aug 08 17:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Mozilla We Want | Tux Machines | Aug 08 17:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Easily Swap Between AMD & NVIDIA OpenGL Linux | Aug 08 19:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Drivers At Boot Time http://t.co/WolEnRePDi | Aug 08 19:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 08 19:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ne2kp | Aug 08 19:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Easily Swap Between AMD & NVIDIA OpenGL Linux Drivers At Boot Time | Tux Machines | Aug 08 19:02 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Zidoo's 'X1' is a $59 Android media box that | Aug 02 02:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | touts its 4K prowess http://t.co/F4n351e6T4 | Aug 02 02:20 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbu8b | Aug 02 02:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Zidoo's 'X1' is a $59 Android media box that touts its 4K prowess | Tux Machines | Aug 02 02:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Zorin OS 10 Core & Ultimate have arrived | Aug 02 02:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/km36zPRqlL (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 02 02:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbu8e | Aug 02 02:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Zorin OS 10 Core & Ultimate have arrived | Tux Machines | Aug 02 02:20 | |
| msb__ | RT TV has done two shows today on Socialism. Max Keiser interviewed an economist Guy Standing, who advocates giving people a basic income because jobs are disappearing due to technology. And there was a 30minute report on Occupy Tower, an abandoned 25-storey building in Caracas that homeless people moved into and set up their own government and economic system. | Aug 02 02:20 |
| msb__ | Max Keiser interview is here, can be downloaded with youtube-dl -- http://www.rt.com/shows/keiser-report/311323-episode-max-keiser-791/ | Aug 02 02:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | Episode 791 RT — Keiser Report [ http://ur1.ca/nbug6 ] | Aug 02 02:56 | |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Aug 02 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | Just now · | Aug 02 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft bought themselves a show on PBS. This comes after Walmart and the oil companies did the same thing. | Aug 02 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, with everyday people losing their personal wealth and being left unable to donate, while PBS had their public funding slashed by more than two-thirds under George W. Bush, this was probably inevitable. | Aug 02 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | http://politics.slashdot.org/story/15/08/01/1639256/microsoft-taps-pbs-to-advance-its-national-talent-strategy-with-code-trip | Aug 02 03:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-politics.slashdot.org | Microsoft Taps PBS To Advance Its National Talent Strategy With 'Code Trip' - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/nbuq0 ] | Aug 02 03:34 | |
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| oiaohm | Just noticed cups has added 3d printing support | Aug 02 04:30 |
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| schestowitz | msb__: I would not say "Nazi government in Ukraine." | Aug 02 08:37 |
| schestowitz | To sound credible say, "government sympathetic to nazi idealogy" | Aug 02 08:38 |
| schestowitz | or something along those lines | Aug 02 08:38 |
| schestowitz | most people don't know the history of Ukraine | Aug 02 08:38 |
| schestowitz | and how some of them liaised with the Nazis against the Soviets | Aug 02 08:38 |
| schestowitz | Some worked in the death camps and were more feared than German-Austrian SS officers | Aug 02 08:38 |
| schestowitz | it's worth reminding to people | Aug 02 08:39 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/06/1282523/-The-Guardian-Western-Expansion-Aims-Helped-Put-Fascists-And-Neo-Nazis-in-Power-in-Ukraine | Aug 02 08:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailykos.com | The Guardian: Western Expansion Aims Helped Put Fascists And Neo-Nazis in Power in Ukraine [ http://ur1.ca/nbwtb ] | Aug 02 08:41 | |
| schestowitz | Max Blumenthal: http://www.salon.com/2014/02/25/is_the_us_backing_neo_nazis_in_ukraine_partner/ | Aug 02 08:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.salon.com | Is the US backing neo-Nazis in Ukraine? - Salon.com [ http://ur1.ca/gxii9 ] | Aug 02 08:41 | |
| schestowitz | "White supremacist banners and Confederate flags were draped inside Kiev’s occupied City Hall, and demonstrators have hoisted Nazi SS and white power symbols over a toppled memorial to V.I. Lenin. After Yanukovich fled his palatial estate by helicopter, EuroMaidan protesters destroyed a memorial to Ukrainians who died battling German occupation during World War II. Sieg heil salutes and the Nazi Wolfsangel symbol have become an | Aug 02 08:42 |
| schestowitz | increasingly common site in Maidan Square, and neo-Nazi forces have established “autonomous zones” in and around Kiev." | Aug 02 08:42 |
| schestowitz | "One of the “Big Three” political parties behind the protests is the ultra-nationalist Svoboda, whose leader, Oleh Tyahnybok, has called for the liberation of his country from the “Muscovite-Jewish mafia.” After the 2010 conviction of the Nazi death camp guard John Demjanjuk for his supporting role in the death of nearly 30,000 people at the Sobibor camp, Tyahnybok rushed to Germany to declare him a hero who was “fighting for truth | Aug 02 08:43 |
| schestowitz | ” In the Ukrainian parliament, where Svoboda holds an unprecedented 37 seats, Tyahnybok’s deputy Yuriy Mykhalchyshyn is fond of quoting Joseph Goebbels – he has even founded a think tank originally called “the Joseph Goebbels Political Research Center.” According to Per Anders Rudling, a leading academic expert on European neo-fascism, the self-described “socialist nationalist” Mykhalchyshyn is the main link between Svoboda’s | Aug 02 08:43 |
| schestowitz | official wing and neo-Nazi militias like Right Sector." | Aug 02 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | Hmm, I jsut ran into a bitcoin mining trojan. | Aug 02 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Defender popped up and quarantined it. | Aug 02 08:43 |
| schestowitz | "Svoboda’s openly pro-Nazi politics have not deterred Senator John McCain from addressing a EuroMaidan rally alongside Tyahnybok, nor did it prevent Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland from enjoying a friendly meeting with the Svoboda leader this February. Eager to fend off accusations of anti-Semitism, the Svoboda leader recently hosted the Israeli Ambassador to Ukraine. “I would like to ask Israelis to also respect our | Aug 02 08:43 |
| schestowitz | patriotic feelings,” Tyahnybok has remarked. “Probably each party in the [Israeli] Knesset is nationalist. With God’s help, let it be this way for us too.”" | Aug 02 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | At least something works. :P | Aug 02 08:43 |
| schestowitz | "Two weeks later, 15,000 Svoboda members held a torchlight ceremony in the city of Lviv in honor of Stepan Bandera, a World War II-era Nazi collaborator who led the pro-fascist Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN-B). Lviv has become the epicenter of neo-fascist activity in Ukraine, with elected Svoboda officials waging a campaign to rename its airport after Bandera and successfully changing the name of Peace Street to the name of the | Aug 02 08:43 |
| schestowitz | Nachtigall Battalion, an OUN-B wing that participated directly in the Holocaust. “’Peace’ is a holdover from Soviet stereotypes,” a Svoboda deputy explained." | Aug 02 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I found out that AT&T and Verizon removed Microsoft's apps from their Galaxy S6 phones. | Aug 02 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | No OneDrive or OneNote. | Aug 02 08:44 |
| schestowitz | "Revered by Ukrainian nationalists as a legendary freedom fighter, Bandera’s real record was ignominious at best. After participating in a campaign to assassinate Ukrainians who supported accommodation with the Polish during the 1930’s, Bandera’s forces set themselves to ethnically cleanse western Ukraine of Poles in 1943 and 1944. In the process, they killed over 90,000 Poles and many Jews, whom Bandera’s top deputy and acting “ | Aug 02 08:44 |
| schestowitz | Prime Minister,” Yaroslav Stetsko, were determined to exterminate. Bandera held fast to fascist ideology in the years after the war, advocating a totalitarian, ethnically pure Europe while his affiliated Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) carried out a doomed armed struggle against the Soviet Union. The bloodbath he inspired ended when KGB agents assassinated him in Munich in 1959." | Aug 02 08:44 |
| DaemonFC | You can't remove them from the Sprint phone though. They're "system apps". | Aug 02 08:44 |
| schestowitz | "Many surviving OUN-B members fled to Western Europe and the United States – occasionally with CIA help – where they quietly forged political alliances with right-wing elements. “You have to understand, we are an underground organization. We have spent years quietly penetrating positions of influence,” one member told journalist Russ Bellant, who documented the group’s resurgence in the United States in his 1988 book, “Old Nazis, | Aug 02 08:44 |
| schestowitz | New Right, and the Republican Party.”" | Aug 02 08:44 |
| schestowitz | "When the Justice Department launched a crusade to capture and prosecute Nazi war criminals in 1985, UCCA snapped into action, lobbying Congress to halt the initiative. “The UCCA has also played a leading role in opposing federal investigations of suspected Nazi war criminals since those queries got underway in the late 1970’s,” Bellant wrote. “Some UCCA members have many reasons to worry – reasons which began in the 1930’s.”" | Aug 02 08:44 |
| schestowitz | [08:43] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, I found out that AT&T and Verizon removed Microsoft's apps from their Galaxy S6 phones. | Aug 02 08:45 |
| schestowitz | great | Aug 02 08:45 |
| schestowitz | MS used patent lawsuit for this | Aug 02 08:46 |
| schestowitz | !google techrights samsung patents apps microsoft | Aug 02 08:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Microsoft Hates Linux – Part II – Patent Lawsuits Against ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2015/03/21/patent-lawsuits-not-love/ | Aug 02 08:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Microsoft Reportedly Uses Patent Blackmail Against ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2015/02/14/patent-blackmail-tactic/ | Aug 02 08:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - There is No 'New Microsoft': Under Nadella, Patent ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2015/07/06/microsoft-vs-kyocera-android/ | Aug 02 08:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Microsoft Continues to Attack (and Tax) Linux Using ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2015/04/12/stabbing-linux-in-the-back/ | Aug 02 08:46 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. Sprint makes it impossible to remove them. | Aug 02 08:46 |
| schestowitz | I think all the above four are relevant to this | Aug 02 08:46 |
| DaemonFC | It's annoying as hell. OneDrive is in your notification tray wanting to back up files that you already backed up to Google. | Aug 02 08:47 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: maybe Spring plays ball for the blackmailer | Aug 02 08:47 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: so that NSA has two pools :-) | Aug 02 08:47 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft gives you 100 GB free for two years. | Aug 02 08:47 |
| schestowitz | !google dotcom mega not safe | Aug 02 08:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Kim Dotcom: 'I don't think your data is safe on Mega anymore' | http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/07/31/kim-dotcom-i-dont-think-your-data-is-safe-on-mega-anymore/ | Aug 02 08:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Interviews: Kim Dotcom Answers Your Questions - Slashdot | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/07/27/200204/interviews-kim-dotcom-answers-your-questions | Aug 02 08:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Kim Dotcom says his own Mega cloud storage service isn't safe ... | http://www.geek.com/news/kim-dotcom-says-his-own-mega-cloud-storage-service-isnt-safe-anymore-1629958/ | Aug 02 08:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Kim Dotcom Is Not Involved With Mega Anymore, Plans To Build Yet ... | http://techcrunch.com/2015/07/31/kim-dotcom-is-not-involved-with-mega-anymore-plans-to-build-yet-another-cloud-storage-service/ | Aug 02 08:47 |
| DaemonFC | Obviously the goal is to get you to pack it full of files so you have to pay up later. | Aug 02 08:47 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Aug 02 08:47 |
| schestowitz | 'cloud' BS | Aug 02 08:48 |
| schestowitz | will never fall for it, unless forced to, e.g. by employer | Aug 02 08:48 |
| DaemonFC | 15 GB on Google Drive is a lot of space because photos up to 16 MP and video up to 1080p doesn't count. They'll change the resolution if it's higher and you want them to be exempt. | Aug 02 08:48 |
| schestowitz | storage not on my device is not mine | Aug 02 08:49 |
| schestowitz | not controlled by me | Aug 02 08:49 |
| schestowitz | can be wiped on basis of pr0n, copyright, whetever... | Aug 02 08:49 |
| schestowitz | People are taken for fools | Aug 02 08:49 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. 64 GB of USB storage that plugs into your phone is only like $20, once. | Aug 02 08:49 |
| schestowitz | and some play along because they haven't the energy to fight bakc | Aug 02 08:49 |
| DaemonFC | And it never leaves your possession. | Aug 02 08:49 |
| oiaohm | Due to the policies I deal with a lot of stuff I place on cloud servers has to encrypted. | Aug 02 08:49 |
| schestowitz | with ssd on devices it's also getting hard to find the capacity to store | Aug 02 08:49 |
| schestowitz | and the apps push people to 'back up' their files | Aug 02 08:49 |
| oiaohm | Not by the provider but by local system. | Aug 02 08:49 |
| schestowitz | not to their own drives, but PRISM | Aug 02 08:50 |
| oiaohm | The thing I find annoying try getting people todo encrypted email. | Aug 02 08:50 |
| schestowitz | pgp | Aug 02 08:50 |
| oiaohm | Yep | Aug 02 08:50 |
| schestowitz | or don't talk to them | Aug 02 08:50 |
| schestowitz | or face to face | Aug 02 08:50 |
| schestowitz | after they take out the batteries from their 'phone' | Aug 02 08:50 |
| schestowitz | a friend of mine puts his phone inside his bag | Aug 02 08:51 |
| schestowitz | but he wears that fitbeat bs | Aug 02 08:51 |
| schestowitz | tracks his pulse all the time, sent to 'cloud' | Aug 02 08:51 |
| DaemonFC | I can't take the battery out of my phone. It's built-in. | Aug 02 08:51 |
| schestowitz | at least no microphone on it | Aug 02 08:51 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: hypePhone? | Aug 02 08:51 |
| DaemonFC | No, it's a Galaxy S6. | Aug 02 08:52 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: change 'phone' then | Aug 02 08:52 |
| schestowitz | wow, didn't know Samsung does this too now | Aug 02 08:52 |
| oiaohm | It getting harder to get phones with removeable batteries. | Aug 02 08:52 |
| schestowitz | Wow, I need to write about this... | Aug 02 08:52 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. Built-in battery and no SD card slot. | Aug 02 08:52 |
| DaemonFC | You can use USB OTG though. | Aug 02 08:52 |
| oiaohm | The battery type in phones can be explosive | Aug 02 08:53 |
| schestowitz | that's another issue | Aug 02 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I just leased it. | Aug 02 08:53 |
| oiaohm | So non removable causes problems to say the least when you asked people to leave them behind | Aug 02 08:53 |
| schestowitz | !google nvidia recalls tablet | Aug 02 08:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Nvidia: Home | http://tabletrecall.expertproductinquiry.com/ | Aug 02 08:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - NVIDIA Recalls Tablet Computers Due to Fire Hazard | CPSC.gov | https://www.cpsc.gov/en/Recalls/2015/NVIDIA-Recalls-Tablet-Computers/ | Aug 02 08:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - 88,000 Nvidia Shield tablets recalled due to heat risk | PCWorld | http://www.pcworld.com/article/2955182/tablets/88000-nvidia-shield-tablets-recalled-due-to-heat-risk.html | Aug 02 08:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Nvidia recalls Shield Android tablets over battery fire fears - Engadget | http://www.engadget.com/2015/07/31/nvidia-shield-tablet-recall/ | Aug 02 08:53 |
| schestowitz | (new) | Aug 02 08:53 |
| oiaohm | when in the past you could just ask for the battery. | Aug 02 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | I can't turn it in until July 2017, unless I pay all remaining lease payments on it. :P | Aug 02 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | So, I'm stuck with the S6 for the next two years. It's a decent phone though. | Aug 02 08:54 |
| DaemonFC | I just wish I could delete some of the bloatware. | Aug 02 08:54 |
| DaemonFC | Apparently, the bloatware situation on the S5 was worse. I heard that it had 42 more apps that couldn't be removed. | Aug 02 08:54 |
| DaemonFC | Apparently, Samsung was just flagging everything that anyone paid them to bundle as a "system app". | Aug 02 08:55 |
| DaemonFC | I turned off OneDrive by disabling it, and it warned me "This is a system app. If you disable it, your phone could malfunction.". | Aug 02 08:55 |
| DaemonFC | All I noticed is that the notifications wanting me to sign up for onedrive went away and my battery life improved. | Aug 02 08:56 |
| oiaohm | http://www.techtimes.com/articles/40827/20150320/samsung-galaxy-s6-battery-removable-yes-easy-to-remove-no.htm | Aug 02 08:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techtimes.com | Samsung Galaxy S6 Battery: Removable? Yes. Easy To Remove? No : PERSONAL TECH : Tech Times [ http://ur1.ca/nbwwt ] | Aug 02 08:58 | |
| oiaohm | Lot of battery removal problems start with the introduction of the near field stuff. | Aug 02 08:59 |
| schestowitz | wow | Aug 02 09:00 |
| schestowitz | you have to dismanle the thing | Aug 02 09:00 |
| schestowitz | cannot be done on the move | Aug 02 09:00 |
| schestowitz | like if you want privacy | Aug 02 09:00 |
| schestowitz | s2 made it easy | Aug 02 09:01 |
| schestowitz | flip it open | Aug 02 09:01 |
| schestowitz | push, remove | Aug 02 09:01 |
| schestowitz | my wife's... | Aug 02 09:01 |
| schestowitz | not hard to remove the battery in old Galaxies | Aug 02 09:01 |
| schestowitz | it only gets worse rather than better over time | Aug 02 09:01 |
| schestowitz | old feature phones I had made it super-easy to remove batteries | Aug 02 09:02 |
| oiaohm | Note its not just dismanle you have to heat it as well schestowitz | Aug 02 09:10 |
| oiaohm | Otherwise it not coming apart. | Aug 02 09:10 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE Announces the Beta of KDE Applications | Aug 02 09:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 15.08, Based on KDE Frameworks 5 | Aug 02 09:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/TFGpVwkv0J (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 02 09:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbx24 | Aug 02 09:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Announces the Beta of KDE Applications 15.08, Based on KDE Frameworks 5 | Tux Machines | Aug 02 09:19 | |
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| DaemonFC | I'm surprised that wireless charging works as well as it does. | Aug 02 09:25 |
| DaemonFC | It's only about 25% slower than the Adaptive Fast Charge 2.0 charger that you plug into the phone. | Aug 02 09:25 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: question is what does the power bill look like. | Aug 02 09:26 |
| DaemonFC | The charger detects whether the phone is there or not and turns itself on and off. | Aug 02 09:26 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Not that I mean percentage effectiveness. | Aug 02 09:26 |
| DaemonFC | If the phone is there and is fully charged, then the charger goes into a trickle charge mode to keep the phone at 100% until you pick it up. | Aug 02 09:27 |
| oiaohm | Australia we have increasing power prices. | Aug 02 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | 2 amp 5 volt is the wall adapter it says to use. | Aug 02 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | So, 10 watts if it's in use. | Aug 02 09:28 |
| oiaohm | And that is about the same as normal charge. So possilbe 25% more on power meter using wireless charging. | Aug 02 09:28 |
| oiaohm | Wireless charging in car where you have waste power would be ok. | Aug 02 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | Samsung's wall charger is 15 watt (1.67 amp 9 volt). | Aug 02 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | So, 15 watts, but it goes right into the phone. | Aug 02 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | Obviously, it's more efficient, but I doubt you'll notice much difference. | Aug 02 09:29 |
| oiaohm | Basically that is my problem I want to see the review of wireless vs wired. | Aug 02 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | Maybe 10 cents on your power bill for the month. | Aug 02 09:29 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: times that by 100+ staff and it starts adding up. | Aug 02 09:30 |
| oiaohm | power cost vs device replacement cost. | Aug 02 09:30 |
| oiaohm | Ie plugging devices is causes damage every time. | Aug 02 09:31 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.wirelesspowerconsortium.com/technology/why-not-a-wire-the-case-for-wireless-power.html | Aug 02 09:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wirelesspowerconsortium.com | Why Not A Wire? The case for wireless power [ http://ur1.ca/nbx5h ] | Aug 02 09:31 | |
| DaemonFC | According to this, the overall efficiency of wired charging is 50-64%, vs. wireless at about 60%. | Aug 02 09:31 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6414871 | Aug 02 09:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Cecil the lion's brother #Jericho shot dead on SAME day #Zimbabwe bans hunting http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/cecil-lions-brother-jericho-shot-6178481 | Aug 02 09:34 | |
| schestowitz | "One of the stories suggested the rumor was spread by, if I understood correctly, Zimbabwe’s equivalent of the National Inquirer, which is probably worse than your Daily Mail." | Aug 02 09:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.mirror.co.uk | Cecil the lion's brother Jericho 'shot dead' on SAME day Zimbabwe bans hunting - Mirror Online [ http://ur1.ca/nbvmj ] | Aug 02 09:34 | |
| schestowitz | Wow, worse than Daily Fail? Can't be... | Aug 02 09:35 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Ok by that they have airgapped section of the circuit that was normally there. | Aug 02 09:36 |
| schestowitz | phoronix access means access to a lot of scripts from external sites, I think some ads networks lumps them in | Aug 02 09:37 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/michaellarabel/status/627609932599201796 | Aug 02 09:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@michaellarabel: @schestowitz huh? | Aug 02 09:38 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/627505820742361088 | Aug 02 09:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: I've just opened a single article in the new #phoronix and my browser was asked to execute code from 30 different domains! @michaellarabel | Aug 02 09:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Sony Xperia Z4 Tablet Review: The Best Android | Aug 02 09:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tablet And A Real iPad Rival | Aug 02 09:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/RoRsclh8ay (www.forbes.com) | Aug 02 09:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | Sony Xperia Z4 Tablet Review: The Best Android Tablet And A Real iPad Rival - Forbes | Aug 02 09:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbx7j | Aug 02 09:40 |
| DaemonFC | iPhones can't do wireless charging, so Starbucks is selling this thing you can plug into their charging ports so you can put the thing on the mat, and the thing charges the iPhone. | Aug 02 09:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Plasma 5 (KDE) In Testing | Aug 02 09:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/wk0zciL6l1 | Aug 02 09:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (skitterman.wordpress.com) | Aug 02 09:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-skitterman.wordpress.com | Plasma 5 (KDE) In Testing | ScottK might have something to say ... | Aug 02 09:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbx7k | Aug 02 09:40 |
| DaemonFC | The dongle is like half the size of the iPhone. It really is quite funny. | Aug 02 09:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nextbit phone will “easily stand out” and be | Aug 02 09:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | priced affordibly http://t.co/BkTjEZ97VV | Aug 02 09:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 02 09:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Nextbit phone will “easily stand out” and be priced affordibly | Tux Machines | Aug 02 09:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbx7n | Aug 02 09:40 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: starbucks entices people with wifi, I find that pathetic | Aug 02 09:41 |
| schestowitz | and now charging stations | Aug 02 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | At this point, you might wonder "Why doesn't Starbucks just offer a wall outlet?". | Aug 02 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | They use PMA, which is designed to snoop on you while your phone charges. | Aug 02 09:42 |
| schestowitz | PMA? | Aug 02 09:42 |
| DaemonFC | It creates a GUID and matches it with your phone. | Aug 02 09:42 |
| schestowitz | ah, ok | Aug 02 09:42 |
| schestowitz | more "marketing" I guess | Aug 02 09:42 |
| schestowitz | I bet they also spy on wifi users and sell the data | Aug 02 09:42 |
| DaemonFC | That way, they know when you come in, where you sit, how long you stay there... | Aug 02 09:42 |
| schestowitz | didn't see their T&C and disclaimers | Aug 02 09:42 |
| schestowitz | but many coffee shops do that these days | Aug 02 09:42 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, It's not just coffee shops. | Aug 02 09:43 |
| DaemonFC | Practically everywhere has wifi now. | Aug 02 09:43 |
| schestowitz | yes, malls too | Aug 02 09:43 |
| schestowitz | but I think it's considered 'standard' for coffee shops | Aug 02 09:43 |
| DaemonFC | Restaurants, doctor's offices, hospitals, gas stations, malls... | Aug 02 09:43 |
| schestowitz | here at least | Aug 02 09:43 |
| DaemonFC | Fort Wayne has one called Fort Wayne Downtown Wifi. | Aug 02 09:43 |
| schestowitz | doctor's offices less likely to spy | Aug 02 09:44 |
| schestowitz | here at least | Aug 02 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | I tried using it during a concert, but nothing would go through. | Aug 02 09:44 |
| schestowitz | too small to operate at this scale | Aug 02 09:44 |
| schestowitz | like selling data | Aug 02 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | They had thousands of people all trying to use it at once. | Aug 02 09:44 |
| schestowitz | unless they bring in some "provider" to set up the hotspot | Aug 02 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, It's in most places now. | Aug 02 09:44 |
| MinceR | 074900 < DaemonFC> They say that their goal is to make it work like Webkit in practice. | Aug 02 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast is like the second largest ISP in America, and they turned everyone's router into an open hotspot for other Comcast customers. | Aug 02 09:45 |
| MinceR | when did they ever not lie about their goals? | Aug 02 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | So you can log on to xfinitywifi and it will remember your device and let you automatically connect next time. | Aug 02 09:45 |
| MinceR | oh, i guess when ballmer said he wants to "fucking kill google" | Aug 02 09:45 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I wonder if BT OpenZone is like that | Aug 02 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | I ran into a weird bug in Edge. I click View Source and it goes "ding ding" and doesn't open anything. | Aug 02 09:46 |
| DaemonFC | And then the browser window can't be closed. | Aug 02 09:46 |
| DaemonFC | You have to kill it with the Task Manager. | Aug 02 09:46 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: LOL | Aug 02 09:46 |
| schestowitz | I forgot about that | Aug 02 09:46 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, They can't do that with my router. I own my router. | Aug 02 09:46 |
| schestowitz | Eventually it's Google f**ing killing MSFT | Aug 02 09:46 |
| DaemonFC | There's also a hidden configuration option on Comcast's website that lets you turn yours off, but it's buried so people won't easily find it. | Aug 02 09:47 |
| schestowitz | wow | Aug 02 09:47 |
| schestowitz | if BT had done the same, I'd probably know by now | Aug 02 09:47 |
| schestowitz | So I guess it's more likely some other airbourne signal | Aug 02 09:47 |
| schestowitz | but not sure which/how | Aug 02 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. You'll know. If you have Comcast and there's two wifi networks (yours and xfinitywifi) and they have the same signal strength, then that's what's happening. | Aug 02 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I just think it's stupid and wrong to implement vendor prefixes like that. | Aug 02 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | -webkit- has turned into the new user agent. | Aug 02 09:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines gtkmm now uses C++11 http://t.co/3YJCLL9NFf | Aug 02 09:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.murrayc.com) | Aug 02 09:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbx95 | Aug 02 09:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.murrayc.com | gtkmm now uses C++11 | Murray's Blog | Aug 02 09:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Testing systemd-networkd based Fedora 22 AMI(s) | Aug 02 09:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Rz0R4ht4fh (kushaldas.in) let's | Aug 02 09:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kushaldas.in | Testing systemd-networkd based Fedora 22 AMI(s) | Aug 02 09:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | still pretend it's "init system" | Aug 02 09:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbx96 | Aug 02 09:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat Receives Average Recommendation of | Aug 02 09:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | “Buy” from Analysts (NYSE:RHT) | Aug 02 09:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/fw4LfT5Vps | Aug 02 09:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dakotafinancialnews.com | Red Hat Receives Average Recommendation of “Buy” from Analysts (NYSE:RHT) | Aug 02 09:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.dakotafinancialnews.com) | Aug 02 09:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbx97 | Aug 02 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | Web developers figure that if Webkit supports something, that's good enough, even if it's not a standard, and even if it's experimental. | Aug 02 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | So, Webkit *is* the new Internet Explorer. | Aug 02 09:50 |
| DaemonFC | IE/Edge and Firefox both are down to like 18% marketshare. | Aug 02 09:50 |
| DaemonFC | They're not the 800 pound gorillas that they were at one point. | Aug 02 09:50 |
| MinceR | well, i guess webkit did catch out somewhat in crashes | Aug 02 09:50 |
| DaemonFC | I suspect that people at Microsoft are really pissed about having to delete thousands of attempts they made over the years to subvert the web. | Aug 02 09:51 |
| DaemonFC | That's not a small amount of code. 220,000 lines, six document rendering modes, and 300+ APIs (according to them). | Aug 02 09:51 |
| DaemonFC | They paid programmers probably millions of dollars to sit there and write this crap over the years, only to turn around and give up and delete it. | Aug 02 09:52 |
| MinceR | they still paid them sparingly, probably :> | Aug 02 09:53 |
| DaemonFC | They tried to make vbscript the scripting language of the web, because it could only fully work properly on Windows. ActiveX was about running Windows programs in the browser. DirectX page effects were meant to only work on Windows *and* compete with stylesheets. | Aug 02 09:53 |
| MinceR | it's not like they're important to the company | Aug 02 09:53 |
| MinceR | they're not lawyers, marketroids or politicians | Aug 02 09:53 |
| DaemonFC | It goes on and on, and really, at the end of the day, they just wrote a really useful set of tools for malware. | Aug 02 09:53 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: had a good read over that wireless charging. Looks like it can techically match/beat the common chargers as the circuit other than construction is basically the same. Solid state DC to DC (no coil) gets up to 85% but those kind of devices are rare. | Aug 02 10:04 |
| oiaohm | vbscript and active-x was all about vendor lock in. | Aug 02 10:06 |
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| cubexyz | once the average person clues into the fact that one can run Linux/BSD on older computers just fine Microsoft is toast | Aug 02 10:18 |
| cubexyz | the whole house of cards comes down | Aug 02 10:18 |
| cubexyz | and the old HP Laserjets were a lot better than the crap disposable printers they make now | Aug 02 10:20 |
| cubexyz | once I realized that microsoft didn't write new drivers for older peripherals it was an easy choice to avoid windows | Aug 02 10:22 |
| cubexyz | Linux could do the same thing but I'm ready for that | Aug 02 10:23 |
| cubexyz | I have multiple computers from different eras, some of them in storage | Aug 02 10:23 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: Old machines build out of decent hardware. | Aug 02 10:24 |
| cubexyz | yes exactly | Aug 02 10:24 |
| cubexyz | there's really a lot of junk in computer stores these days | Aug 02 10:25 |
| cubexyz | it's kind of like an older person who knew how to fix cars | Aug 02 10:27 |
| cubexyz | they could keep that old car going almost indefinitely | Aug 02 10:27 |
| cubexyz | at least maximize it's lifespan | Aug 02 10:28 |
| oiaohm | I custom build my out of server rated parts. | Aug 02 10:29 |
| oiaohm | Does pay for itself. | Aug 02 10:29 |
| MinceR | DC to DC? how does that even work? | Aug 02 10:29 |
| MinceR | 111843 < cubexyz> the whole house of cards comes down | Aug 02 10:29 |
| MinceR | and that's when they ban and collect computers :> | Aug 02 10:30 |
| MinceR | "bekuz turrism" | Aug 02 10:30 |
| cubexyz | they can't really ban computers, people need them to do their work | Aug 02 10:30 |
| cubexyz | plus the ISPs are making good money | Aug 02 10:31 |
| MinceR | if only they cared about that | Aug 02 10:31 |
| MinceR | the ISPs would make good money with "cloud"-only terminals too | Aug 02 10:31 |
| cubexyz | no doubt the younger generation will stay on the upgrade treadmill until they learn better | Aug 02 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, well, if you're going to buy a Windows laptop, just go to the Microsoft Store. | Aug 02 10:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_converter DC to DC are very common using buck and insanely effective. I shoud not said no coil. No transforer single coil. 95% effectiveness. | Aug 02 10:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Buck converter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nbxkp ] | Aug 02 10:38 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: it is techically possilbe to run a buck down converter off 240 after a dc rectifer. | Aug 02 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | You get one from Walmart or Best Buy or somewhere, it has so much crapware on it, it's barely usable, and after you spend hours digging it all out, it all comes back if you ever use the recovery partition. :P | Aug 02 10:38 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: oh, i thought you were talking about wireless power transmission :) | Aug 02 10:39 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I was comparing wireless to wired. | Aug 02 10:39 |
| MinceR | i see | Aug 02 10:39 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: ie buck is the best possilbe wired. | Aug 02 10:39 |
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| oiaohm | Might be a danger to life | Aug 02 10:39 |
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| oiaohm | Main advantage of the transforer is isolation. | Aug 02 10:40 |
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| cubexyz | ha! | Aug 02 11:08 |
| cubexyz | patched xmmix | Aug 02 11:08 |
| cubexyz | used the old Redhat 7 patch files | Aug 02 11:08 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K57dVZ4oHtQ | Aug 02 11:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | The C90s - Shine A Light (Flight Facilities Remix) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nbxsl ] | Aug 02 11:15 | |
| DaemonFC | I've had that in my head since I played GTA V. | Aug 02 11:15 |
| gde33|2 | DaemonFC: here this will help https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APj2ArUy6v4 | Aug 02 11:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | The oompa loompa song =) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nbxu1 ] | Aug 02 11:20 | |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/new-desktop-better-than-windows-10.png | Aug 02 11:22 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/627765096673091584 | Aug 02 11:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Yes, because Suse, Red Hat or Nginx live off the air... | Aug 02 11:33 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/627767532657737728 | Aug 02 11:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz I never understand people who use the cloud exclusively. It's useful sure but combined with local backup. | Aug 02 11:34 | |
| schestowitz | depends on how one defines "cloud". Much of it is malicious. | Aug 02 11:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Citrix, Red Hat Helping Startup Companies | Aug 02 11:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Launch in Raleigh, N.C. http://t.co/7jeFeks2jo | Aug 02 11:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.thestreet.com) "Raleigh has seen a 23% | Aug 02 11:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thestreet.com | Citrix, Red Hat Helping Startup Companies Launch in Raleigh, N.C. - Video - TheStreet | Aug 02 11:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | increase in IT jobs" | Aug 02 11:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbxxo | Aug 02 11:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Codename CURE, A First Person, Co-operative | Aug 02 11:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Zombie Game Now On Linux | Aug 02 11:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/B379R4pDYe (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 02 11:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbxxq | Aug 02 11:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Codename CURE, A First Person, Co-operative Zombie Game Now On Linux | GamingOnLinux | Aug 02 11:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Razer's Android gamepad is now on Google Play | Aug 02 11:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | for $80 http://t.co/4I6igOCruX | Aug 02 11:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.engadget.com) | Aug 02 11:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com | Razer's Android gamepad is now on Google Play for $80 | Aug 02 11:37 | |
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| schestowitz | cubexyz: see logs | Aug 02 11:38 |
| schestowitz | I linked to that | Aug 02 11:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/new-desktop-better-than-windows-10.png | Aug 02 11:39 |
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| DaemonFC | https://stallman.org/archives/2015-may-aug.html#01_August_2015_%28Cab_drivers_protest_Guber%29 | Aug 02 11:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | 2015: May - August Political Notes - Richard Stallman [ http://ur1.ca/nby17 ] | Aug 02 11:54 | |
| DaemonFC | My bf needed a ride to work today, but he lives 30 miles from me, so I gave him an Uber promo code for $30 credit towards a ride. The ride to work came out to $28. | Aug 02 11:54 |
| DaemonFC | Let Uber pay for it, why not? He switches to a location that's closer to home next Monday anyway, so he won't need Uber again. | Aug 02 11:55 |
| cubexyz | hehe | Aug 02 12:11 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Thanks for the links to the articles about previous Nazism in Ukraine. This article mentions the $5billion the US gave to support the new regime, and shows some of the Nazis in their uniforms. | Aug 02 12:13 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: The US has a similar history. Wealthy US fascists provided 75% of the money for Hitler's military buildup. The motive was simple: Socialism was threatening to cut off the richest 1% from their 99% of the profits. So US capitalists financed Hitler to destroy Socialism in the USSR and Europe. | Aug 02 12:16 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/profBury/status/627800581252497408 | Aug 02 12:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@profBury: Link http://t.co/fb8rKB5csP by @schestowitz is the most popular tweet in my news feed today. | Aug 02 12:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linkis.com | WikiLeaks - Target Tokyo - Linkis.com | Aug 02 12:19 | |
| msb__ | schestowitz: The US government, totally under control by wealthy US businessmen, spent the rest of the 20th Century after WW2 attacking socialists, socialist revolutions, and socialist nations around the world, for the same reason, murdering tens of millions of people in the process. http://cosmicpenguin.com/#American_Holocaust | Aug 02 12:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone [ http://ur1.ca/g23vd ] | Aug 02 12:20 | |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Oops, forgot the link for US fascists financing Hitler: http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_Nazis | Aug 02 12:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone | Aug 02 12:22 | |
| msb__ | The US has always supported the harshest dictators it could find, as they could be relied on to suppress workers' movements in their nations, and thus keep their population available as slaves to the US corporate branches there. | Aug 02 12:25 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Zidoo's 'X1' is a $59 Android media box that | Aug 02 12:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | touts its 4K prowess http://t.co/nxPAo88opJ | Aug 02 12:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.neowin.net) | Aug 02 12:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.neowin.net | Zidoo's 'X1' is a $59 Android media box that touts its 4K prowess | Aug 02 12:27 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A 6-Raspberry Pi 2 Cluster To Run Drupal In The | Aug 02 12:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Basement Has Been Created | Aug 02 12:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/NbE83ydSUJ (linuxg.net) | Aug 02 12:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net | A 6-Raspberry Pi 2 Cluster To Run Drupal In The Basement Has Been Created | LinuxG.net | Aug 02 12:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines debian efforts wasted on uefi | Aug 02 12:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Pbqlri7166 (blog.einval.com) | Aug 02 12:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/YU2RYG3ERd (techrights.org) | Aug 02 12:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.einval.com | Steve's blog | Aug 02 12:28 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | UEFI - Techrights | Aug 02 12:28 | |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Here's another US-Nazi connection, based on testimony and hundreds of photographs from Otto Skorzeny -- "Hitler's Commando" -- who was (is?) living in the US. | Aug 02 12:32 |
| msb__ | The book is well worth the $10! | Aug 02 12:33 |
| msb__ | http://www.thebushconnection.com/ | Aug 02 12:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thebushconnection.com | The Bush Connection|Index | Aug 02 12:33 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jblck/status/627804293693853696 | Aug 02 12:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jblck: @schestowitz Related: https://t.co/AMiUfVx76g | Aug 02 12:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jblck: What sort of murderous vermin would say,"We came, we saw, he died!" while smiling and laughing? Oh, Hillary Clinton https://t.co/R4b2nzo2Ji | Aug 02 12:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jblck/status/627802290703892482 | Aug 02 12:36 |
| msb__ | The truth about Libya (before Obama destroyed it): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJURNC0e6Ek | Aug 02 12:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Libya Truth (DnB Soundtrack) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/jld5s ] | Aug 02 12:39 | |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: EFI is a hard one. | Aug 02 12:43 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Linux world has been living work broken BIOS implmentations with issues in updating before EFI appeared. | Aug 02 12:43 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: at least with EFI 2.5 we at long last get at OS netural way to tell the firmware to update. | Aug 02 12:44 |
| DaemonFC | You could already do that with the BIOS. | Aug 02 12:52 |
| DaemonFC | At least, Dell had a utility that let you update your BIOS while you were booted into Linux. | Aug 02 12:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE Announces the Beta of KDE Applications | Aug 02 12:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 15.08, Based on KDE Frameworks 5 | Aug 02 12:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/XMLV0Tn8sS (linux.softpedia.com) | Aug 02 12:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | KDE Announces the Beta of KDE Applications 15.08, Based on KDE Frameworks 5 - Softpedia | Aug 02 12:54 | |
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| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: Well, now every motherboard supports that. | Aug 02 12:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Zorin OS 10 Core & Ultimate have arrived | Aug 02 12:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/1MUilEtJ40 (zoringroup.com) | Aug 02 12:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/yOpC35t1Bp (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 02 12:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-zoringroup.com | Zorin OS 10 Core & Ultimate have arrived | The official Zorin Blog | Aug 02 12:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Zorin OS 10 Is Out, the Best, Most Beautiful Release Yet, Based on Ubuntu 15.04 - Screenshot Tour - Softpedia | Aug 02 12:54 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: custom motherboards from all over the place would come with a dos update only program. | Aug 02 13:00 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: or worse | Aug 02 13:00 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: yes worse a Windows only update program. | Aug 02 13:00 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Dell some models did not work with generic linux update tool either. | Aug 02 13:00 |
| XRevan86 | I have a Windows PE CD-R for updating BIOS :). | Aug 02 13:03 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: Yep a horible I want to never have to use again. | Aug 02 13:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itv.com/news/channel/2015-07-31/s/ | Aug 02 13:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itv.com | Henry Cavill talks his new movie, fear of flying, and 'that' Siam Cup | Channel - ITV News [ http://ur1.ca/nbyi6 ] | Aug 02 13:05 | |
| schestowitz | gossip and crap | Aug 02 13:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines You Can Now Upload Screenshots To Imgur | Aug 02 13:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Directly From Elementary OS, Via The Imgur | Aug 02 13:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Uploader Contractor Plugin | Aug 02 13:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/c4FQUKAbZa (linuxg.net) | Aug 02 13:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net | You Can Now Upload Screenshots To Imgur Directly From Elementary OS, Via The Imgur Uploader Contractor Plugin | LinuxG.net | Aug 02 13:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Pixman Baking ARMv6, PowerPC 64 Improvements | Aug 02 13:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/sjevaDwImw (www.phoronix.com) | Aug 02 13:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Pixman Baking ARMv6, PowerPC 64 Improvements - Phoronix | Aug 02 13:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "KDEPIM 5.0 is the port of kdepim to kf5/qt5." | Aug 02 13:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/tybOSdqEqH (www.aegiap.eu) "I just | Aug 02 13:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | started the port of rsibreak to KF5." | Aug 02 13:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.aegiap.eu | What's in my mind » KDEPIM 5.0 | Aug 02 13:14 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/LTImNtA8dE (tsdgeos.blogspot.com) | Aug 02 13:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tsdgeos.blogspot.com | TSDgeos' blog: rsibreak port to KF5 started! | Aug 02 13:14 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LibreOffice 5.0 Arrives on August 5, Here's | Aug 02 13:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | What's New http://t.co/DRaxIWFVYZ | Aug 02 13:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 02 13:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice 5.0 Arrives on August 5, Here's What's New | Tux Machines | Aug 02 13:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Studio focuses on C++ editing | Aug 02 13:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/rL7bPmMQcY (www.infoworld.com) | Aug 02 13:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infoworld.com | Android Studio focuses on C++ editing | InfoWorld | Aug 02 13:29 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Top 5 Best New Free Android Games of July 2015 | Aug 02 13:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/MUHkVS2qHv (heavy.com) Action Games | Aug 02 13:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of July 2015 http://t.co/RX56FWzaq0 (heavy.com) | Aug 02 13:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-heavy.com | Top 5 Best New Free Android Games of July 2015 | Heavy.com | Aug 02 13:29 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-heavy.com | Top 5 Best New Android Action Games of July 2015 | Heavy.com | Aug 02 13:29 | |
| DaemonFC | https://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_et_md_pl?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdMsgID=MxE7SNAYBU5E15&cdMsgNo=36&cdPage=2&cdSort=oldest&cdThread=Tx2ZTJ9Q7SHBDB#MxE7SNAYBU5E15 | Aug 02 13:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: Senator Al Franken asks the DoJ to investigate Apple for possible illegal activity regarding their app store. [ http://ur1.ca/nbysv ] | Aug 02 13:52 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.businessinsider.com/no-more-storage-on-iphone-6-16gb-2015-2 | Aug 02 13:52 |
| DaemonFC | This woman got the 16 GB iPhone 6 thinking she'd be fine because her storage needs weren't big. I'll just quote her. | Aug 02 13:52 |
| DaemonFC | --- | Aug 02 13:52 |
| DaemonFC | "So why 16GB? I'm not a big app user, I use Spotify but my phone isn't loaded with music, and I don't download movies and TV shows. | Aug 02 13:52 |
| DaemonFC | 16GB, at the time of purchase, seemed like the perfect amount of space. I was wrong. Very wrong. Storage nearly full. 'Your phone is full, your phone is full, your phone is full.' That message will haunt me forever." | Aug 02 13:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | No More Storage On iPhone 6 16GB - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/nbyt0 ] | Aug 02 13:52 | |
| DaemonFC | [..] | Aug 02 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | "It seemed that within weeks of purchasing the 16GB iPhone 6, I was constantly making concessions in order to get everything I wanted on the phone. 'Oh, you want to take 50 photos? You can only take 37 because you have too many photos already,' my phone would tell me. I scrambled to delete Facebook more than once in the time I had the 16GB phone in order to free up space. Often it was a good method, but sometimes it wasn't enough. Why was I | Aug 02 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | paying so much for this phone if I wasn't even able to use it without having a panic attack?" | Aug 02 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | --- | Aug 02 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | So, that corroborates my claim that the first thing the 16 GB iPhone 6 will do is run out of space, even if you think you won't be storing much of anything on it. An iPhone with 16 GB of storage isn't even funny anymore. It's just crippleware that's there to make them seem like they are competitive with the Galaxy S6. Plain and simple. | Aug 02 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | Like Trevor Philips says in Grand Theft Auto V (you can't play it on a Mac, btw), "You only have yourself to blame!". | Aug 02 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | Apple sucks. | Aug 02 13:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android M Preview 3 Release Delayed as Google | Aug 02 13:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Works on “Near Final” Build | Aug 02 13:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/FIcxnzLkVe (www.droid-life.com) | Aug 02 13:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #android #linux | Aug 02 13:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.droid-life.com | Android M Preview 3 Release Delayed as Google Works on “Near Final” Build | Droid Life | Aug 02 13:59 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora 22 on Cubietruck https://t.co/qhnpBf0kD7 | Aug 02 14:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://blogs.gnome.org/ignatenko/2015/07/31/fedora-22-on-cubietruck/ ) | Aug 02 14:00 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linaro VLANd v0.3 http://t.co/bHv8Ztwydo | Aug 02 14:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.einval.com | Steve's blog | Aug 02 14:00 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/627829839760891904 | Aug 02 14:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Civilian planes shot down by Russian AAA: 0. Civilian planes shot down by Ukraine: 1. Clearly MH17 is Russia's blame. | Aug 02 14:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Zorin OS 10 Core & Ultimate have arrived | Aug 02 14:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by http://t.co/1MUilEtJ40 (zoringroup.com) | Aug 02 14:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tokvbok http://t.co/yOpC35t1Bp (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 02 14:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-zoringroup.com | Zorin OS 10 Core & Ultimate have arrived | The official Zorin Blog | Aug 02 14:23 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Zorin OS 10 Is Out, the Best, Most Beautiful Release Yet, Based on Ubuntu 15.04 - Screenshot Tour - Softpedia | Aug 02 14:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Adventure RPG 'Evoland 2' Release Date | Aug 02 14:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Announced, Linux Release Shortly After | Aug 02 14:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/BCvKWAq8WE (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 02 14:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Adventure RPG 'Evoland 2' Release Date Announced, Linux Release Shortly After | GamingOnLinux | Aug 02 14:23 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.postbulletin.com/news/local/day-in-history-preparations-in-place-for-airport-dedication/article_dfa4c520-089d-5f7f-a0f9-dd415693de58.html | Aug 02 14:35 |
| schestowitz | "One year ago: The CIA's insistence that it did not spy on its Senate overseers collapsed with the release of a stark report by the agency's internal watchdog documenting improper computer surveillance and obstructionist behavior by CIA officers. The death toll from the worst recorded Ebola outbreak in history surpassed 700 in West Africa.' | Aug 02 14:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.postbulletin.com | Day in History: Preparations in place for airport dedication - PostBulletin.com: Local [ http://ur1.ca/nbz4i ] | Aug 02 14:35 | |
| schestowitz | cracking | Aug 02 14:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Casual Clickers 'AdVenture Capitalist' And | Aug 02 14:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 'Time Clickers' Now On Steam For Linux | Aug 02 14:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/EVHRiWlcBb (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 02 14:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Casual Clickers 'AdVenture Capitalist' And 'Time Clickers' Now On Steam For Linux | GamingOnLinux | Aug 02 14:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "This month I have been paid to work 15 hours | Aug 02 14:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | on Debian LTS." https://t.co/56RswpWpSv | Aug 02 14:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (raphaelhertzog.com) | Aug 02 14:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-raphaelhertzog.com | My Free Software Activities in July 2015 | Aug 02 14:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Another German (Sirko Kemter) who defected from | Aug 02 14:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | suse to fedora http://t.co/369zfp2sG2 | Aug 02 14:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (karl-tux-stadt.de) | Aug 02 14:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-karl-tux-stadt.de | Karl-Tux-Stadt » Blog Archi » Flock Update | Aug 02 14:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Don't Be Patchman Is The First Game On Steam To | Aug 02 14:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Be Linux Only https://t.co/U08LxpF5rx | Aug 02 14:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 02 14:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Don't Be Patchman Is The First Game On Steam To Be Linux Only | GamingOnLinux | Aug 02 14:52 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/627839294770683904 | Aug 02 14:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Because "democracy". | Aug 02 14:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6414116 | Aug 02 14:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "armies of automated takedown bots to generate censorship demands without human oversight" https://boingboing.net/2015/07/27/when-it-comes-to-censorship-w.html should be illegal w/ fines | Aug 02 14:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> boingboing.net | When it comes to censorship, WordPress has your back - Boing Boing [ http://ur1.ca/nbz8s ] | Aug 02 14:54 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6417003 | Aug 02 14:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "KDEPIM 5.0 is the port of kdepim to kf5/qt5." http://www.aegiap.eu/kdeblog/2015/08/kdepim-5-0/ "I just started the port of rsibreak to KF5." http://tsdgeos.blogspot.com/2015/08/rsibreak-port-to-kf5-started.html #kde | Aug 02 14:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.aegiap.eu | What's in my mind » KDEPIM 5.0 [ http://ur1.ca/nbz8v ] | Aug 02 14:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> tsdgeos.blogspot.com | TSDgeos' blog: rsibreak port to KF5 started! [ http://ur1.ca/nbz8w ] | Aug 02 14:54 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/627840015578628096 | Aug 02 14:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Everyone loves democracy as long as they are in the majority. | Aug 02 14:56 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/627841070982909953 | Aug 02 15:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Democracy means the power of the majority. Full stop. Rule of law and separate, limited powers are not a necessary consequence. | Aug 02 15:04 | |
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| cubexyz | another example of how old ways can sometimes be better... | Aug 02 15:08 |
| cubexyz | xmms has the ability to load configuration files | Aug 02 15:09 |
| cubexyz | kmix, at least in KDE 3.5 doesn't have that | Aug 02 15:09 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: xmms is an old music player that can associate equalizer files with songs, but I think you meant something else. | Aug 02 15:15 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/PObean/status/627846007708123136 | Aug 02 15:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PObean: RT Our world is becoming a political freak show when people who attack democracy say they spread it and pro is "fo… https://t.co/RLG4l3Flua | Aug 02 15:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Our world is becoming a political freak show when people who attack democracy say they spread it and pro #censorship is "for free speech" | Aug 02 15:21 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/627852983674478592 | Aug 02 15:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Indeed. Say you do it for decency, for peace, for enlightened despotism if you will, just not free spewch. | Aug 02 15:47 | |
| cubexyz | msb__, yes | Aug 02 15:51 |
| cubexyz | I meant xmmix | Aug 02 15:51 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: It's simply large-scale psychopathic lying. A psychopath cop shouts "Stop resisting!" when he's clubbing a person who's face down on the ground. If someone can't clearly see what's happening, and trusts the police, then the lie is believed. It's a very standard psychopath technique, used by bullies everywhere. | Aug 02 15:53 |
| msb__ | Likewise, if the psychopath US govt/corporate complex wants to get rid of Gaddafi because he's a socialist, and that's bad for profits, and the govt/corps controls the commercial media, it has the media shout over and over that Gaddafi is a terrorist dictator. Bernays told them that if they do that they will be believed. | Aug 02 15:54 |
| msb__ | Then the US finds this militia (who are just gangsters who want to steal the oil and keep the profits) who claim to be a pro-democracy party, and gives them guns, and murders Gaddafi, and converts the nation which had had the highest standard of living in Africa (thanks to Gaddafi's socialism) into a seething hellhole of poverty and death. And the US claims over and over to have supported democracy because it got rid of a | Aug 02 15:54 |
| msb__ | terrorist dictator. And it is believed. | Aug 02 15:54 |
| cubexyz | I wonder what happened to Michael Slager | Aug 02 15:55 |
| msb__ | Who he? | Aug 02 15:55 |
| cubexyz | remember the guy who shot Walter Scott while he was trying to run away? | Aug 02 15:56 |
| cubexyz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Walter_Scott | Aug 02 15:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Shooting of Walter Scott - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nbzos ] | Aug 02 15:57 | |
| msb__ | Fired and charged with murder. Because he was caught on video. | Aug 02 15:59 |
| cubexyz | yes | Aug 02 15:59 |
| msb__ | That's the key. If there are lots of accurate alternative news sites (there are a dozen or two) that tell the truth about what the US is doing, and enough people read them, then the US can't get away with it. | Aug 02 16:03 |
| msb__ | RT is picking up info from some of these sites and broadcasting it on US cable TV! | Aug 02 16:05 |
| cubexyz | RT? | Aug 02 16:06 |
| msb__ | Russia Today | Aug 02 16:06 |
| msb__ | rt.com | Aug 02 16:06 |
| msb__ | They actually did a documentary on 911. Said the towers were brought down by explosives. Compared it to Operation Gladio. | Aug 02 16:07 |
| msb__ | They have Jesse Ventura on, who did such good documentaries on TV that he had to flee to Mexico. Even though he'd been governor of Minnesota. | Aug 02 16:09 |
| msb__ | Real news on American TV!!! | Aug 02 16:10 |
| msb__ | I just found out about it. | Aug 02 16:10 |
| msb__ | They did a story about Israeli atrocities in Gaza, bombing houses while people slept. They gave casualty figures in the thousands. | Aug 02 16:11 |
| msb__ | They had an economist on who recommended that people be given a Basic Income, enough to live on, because technology had eliminated so many of the jobs. | Aug 02 16:15 |
| msb__ | This is just in the three days that I've been watching it. | Aug 02 16:16 |
| msb__ | Maybe there's hope. Maybe our species isn't going to destroy itself. | Aug 02 16:16 |
| msb__ | It's gonna be close. There's a lot of methane hydrate (clathrate) in the polar oceans, and it's starting to melt and the methane is bubbling up. It's 100 times as powerful as CO2 as a greenhouse gas. | Aug 02 16:21 |
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| msb__ | It's melting because the temperature is rising, and vice versa. Regenerative. There could be a huge temperature jump. | Aug 02 16:22 |
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| cubexyz | there's some talk of that happening during the Permian extinction | Aug 02 16:24 |
| msb__ | There's too much profit in burning coal and oil for the govt to tell corporations to stop it. So the govt is secretly spraying nano-particles of aluminum into the atmosphere to reflect the sunlight, but it's poisoning everything. | Aug 02 16:25 |
| msb__ | http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/ | Aug 02 16:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geoengineeringwatch.org | Geoengineering Watch | Exposing the climate engineering/geoengineering cover-up | Aug 02 16:25 | |
| cubexyz | according to the EPA the atmospheric methane concentrations remained between 400-800 ppb between 600,000 BC to 1900 AD | Aug 02 16:27 |
| cubexyz | since 1900 they have risen to 1600-1800 ppb | Aug 02 16:27 |
| msb__ | It can be seen bubbling up in some places in the oceans. | Aug 02 16:28 |
| msb__ | That's a huge increase! | Aug 02 16:29 |
| cubexyz | haha, all the windows peeps are checking out my new desktop | Aug 02 16:30 |
| cubexyz | humourous | Aug 02 16:30 |
| cubexyz | msb__, there's a SciFi novel about the clathrate gun hypothesis | Aug 02 16:31 |
| cubexyz | we'll have to adapt to warmer temperatures | Aug 02 16:34 |
| msb__ | I just remembered a great TV series or movie about a building that people would go into, but when they came out they'd be in a parallel time-line. I think some kind of machine did it. And in one of the lines some guys had an A-bomb. | Aug 02 16:34 |
| msb__ | Some of us would have to adapt to breathing water. | Aug 02 16:34 |
| cubexyz | there was a movie from 2003 called Webs | Aug 02 16:37 |
| msb__ | Interesting! But there was no spider in the one I saw. | Aug 02 16:39 |
| cubexyz | I remember seeing one movie from the 1970s with a teleporting robot | Aug 02 16:40 |
| cubexyz | never could find it again | Aug 02 16:40 |
| cubexyz | you might remember Tim O'Connor did a few SciFi shows | Aug 02 16:42 |
| msb__ | Don't know him. IMDB has 3 of them. | Aug 02 16:48 |
| cubexyz | Buck Rogers? | Aug 02 16:49 |
| cubexyz | The Man with the Power (1977) | Aug 02 16:49 |
| cubexyz | the one from 1977 is quite difficult to find | Aug 02 16:49 |
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| msb__ | The-Power-1968-SuzannePleshette,MiklosRozsa is good | Aug 02 16:52 |
| msb__ | Michael Rennie is in it, I think | Aug 02 16:52 |
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| msb__ | Miklos Rozsa's music is great! | Aug 02 16:55 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/opendna/status/627870996633096192 | Aug 02 17:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@opendna: @schestowitz Which country are you referring to? | Aug 02 17:00 | |
| schestowitz | So many | Aug 02 17:00 |
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| gde33|2 | msb__: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3479316/ | Aug 02 17:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | Parallels (2015) - IMDb | Aug 02 17:45 | |
| msb__ | gde33|2: Thanks! That's it!!! | Aug 02 17:53 |
| msb__ | gde33|2: Sez here it is being made into a series. I thought it seemed like a pilot. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3479316/board/thread/246740492 | Aug 02 17:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | They ARE developing this into a series! - IMDb [ http://ur1.ca/nc0nw ] | Aug 02 17:58 | |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Aug 02 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | I already told you that anyone who would buy an iPhone deserves to be robbed blind by AT&T as well. | Aug 02 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | I never lose reception with Sprint, even when I'm bicycling through corn country. I'm listening to Spotify the entire way. | Aug 02 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | Only a fool would pay twice as much to AT&T, knowing that they'll lose signal all the time, and then have to lug around thousands of MP3 files, which brings me to my next point. Most Mac users pirate their music files too. At the height of the iPod's sales, there was only enough music sold through the iTunes store to average out to one album per iPod sold, and since nobody would pay $250 for an iPod so that they could listen to Bono wailing | Aug 02 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | "I can feeeeeeeeel!!!! Feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel!" like someone is sending a cat through a garbage disposal, it's obvious where most of their music came from. :) | Aug 02 18:05 |
| schestowitz | >> I saw this, I wrote about it this morning, and given who writes and promotes this, it's just Microsoft marketing disguised as "history". | Aug 02 18:14 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 02 18:14 |
| schestowitz | > Where did you write about it, can i have a link? | Aug 02 18:14 |
| schestowitz | > - break - | Aug 02 18:14 |
| schestowitz | It would be hard for me to find it now. It was days ago in Twitter and then in one of the Vista 10 articles in techrights. | Aug 02 18:14 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 02 18:14 |
| schestowitz | > See this regarding the NoMoreClipBoard hack .. absolutely no mention of Microsoft Windows .. No doubt the 'health vault' was stored in the Microsoft cloud ... | Aug 02 18:14 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 02 18:14 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 02 18:14 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.in.gov/activecalendar/EventList.aspx?view=EventDetails&eventidn=222333&information_id=217385 | Aug 02 18:14 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 02 18:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.in.gov | [ATG] AG Zoeller urges credit freeze in wake of data breach affecting 1.5 million Hoosiers - 7/30/2015 - IN.GOV [ http://ur1.ca/nc0th ] | Aug 02 18:14 | |
| schestowitz | > http://www.mieweb.com/news/posts/273 | Aug 02 18:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mieweb.com | MIE announces support for Microsoft HealthVault: Medical Informatics Engineering | Aug 02 18:14 | |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 02 18:14 |
| schestowitz | > https://securityledger.com/2015/07/doctors-still-in-the-dark-after-electronics-records-hack-exposes-data-on-4-million/ | Aug 02 18:14 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 02 18:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-securityledger.com | Doctors Still In the Dark After Electronics Records Hack Exposes Data on 4 Million | The Security Ledger [ http://ur1.ca/nc0ti ] | Aug 02 18:14 | |
| schestowitz | > https://www.nomoreclipboard.com/providers/about/partners | Aug 02 18:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nomoreclipboard.com | NoMoreClipboard > Providers > About [ http://ur1.ca/nc0tj ] | Aug 02 18:14 | |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 02 18:14 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's 'vault' is mentioned in that last one. No doubt a vault with back door access... for 'national security' of course... | Aug 02 18:14 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: indiana | Aug 02 18:14 |
| schestowitz | MS windows | Aug 02 18:14 |
| schestowitz | and 'cloud' | Aug 02 18:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines OS showdown: Windows 10 vs Linux | Aug 02 18:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/V8xsg7yIUm (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 02 18:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OS showdown: Windows 10 vs Linux | Tux Machines | Aug 02 18:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines DiRT Showdown Confirmed For Linux By Virtual | Aug 02 18:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Programming, Pre-orders Open Up | Aug 02 18:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/u6KtxZtbn5 (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 02 18:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | DiRT Showdown Confirmed For Linux By Virtual Programming, Pre-orders Open Up | GamingOnLinux | Aug 02 18:18 | |
| cubexyz | Nadella is trying to sucker folks back to windows | Aug 02 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Yeah, I know. | Aug 02 18:19 |
| cubexyz | e.g. android users | Aug 02 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | It's not like a credit freeze helps. | Aug 02 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | How many times can they leak your Social Security Number? :P | Aug 02 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | They'll offer two years of free credit monitoring and ID protection if they send you a letter saying you were affected. | Aug 02 18:26 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Steve Litt (Debian): "He who forgets | Aug 02 19:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | history...I just looked back on the Halloween | Aug 02 19:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Documents" https://t.co/uOzSjEEToy | Aug 02 19:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (lists.dyne.org) | Aug 02 19:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.dyne.org | [DNG] He who forgets history... | Aug 02 19:02 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat support evolves with new Access | Aug 02 19:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Insights services http://t.co/y7Ba7L2LlZ | Aug 02 19:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-searchdatacenter.techtarget.com | Red Hat support evolves with new Access Insights services | Aug 02 19:02 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Shallow Space Looks Like The Spaceship RTS Game | Aug 02 19:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Is Needing, Some Thoughts | Aug 02 19:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/xJKqQXRMsn (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 02 19:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Shallow Space Looks Like The Spaceship RTS Game Linux Is Needing, Some Thoughts | GamingOnLinux | Aug 02 19:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nextbit phone will “easily stand out” and be | Aug 02 19:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | priced affordibly http://t.co/MLk3YmhWS9 | Aug 02 19:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.androidauthority.com) | Aug 02 19:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com | Sony closing its online store this August 28th | Aug 02 19:21 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Leftovers http://t.co/TkSS2oEG8C | Aug 02 19:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Aug 02 19:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Debian http://t.co/fncLYE8YOl | Aug 02 19:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Debian | Tux Machines | Aug 02 19:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat and Fedora http://t.co/tFGktUlqKN | Aug 02 19:25 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat and Fedora | Tux Machines | Aug 02 19:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE and Akademy http://t.co/pWP13pEZHd | Aug 02 19:25 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE and Akademy | Tux Machines | Aug 02 19:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/zhWPbnNaTW | Aug 02 19:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Aug 02 19:26 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 2/8/2015: KDE Applications 15.08 Beta, | Aug 02 20:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Zorin OS 10 http://t.co/mPa25tjlLN | Aug 02 20:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 2/8/2015: KDE Applications 15.08 Beta, Zorin OS 10 | Techrights | Aug 02 20:14 | |
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| colea | FYI just in case, maybe late but anyways; http://www.techradar.com/us/news/software/applications/windows-mail-services-hit-by-widespread-outages-1290532 | Aug 02 20:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techradar.com | Windows mail services hit by widespread outages | TechRadar [ http://ur1.ca/nc1vk ] | Aug 02 20:30 | |
| colea | thx | Aug 02 20:31 |
| colea | I"m so sorry didnt see the date | Aug 02 20:38 |
| colea | was hung up on troll replies to Linux Formax article on OS Showdown: windows 10 vs Linux | Aug 02 20:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/THKCjryMIh | Aug 02 21:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Aug 02 21:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/EDd8nRtfkL | Aug 02 21:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Aug 02 21:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/pfP85dQkEm | Aug 02 21:23 |
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| schestowitz | colea: hi | Aug 02 21:46 |
| schestowitz | thanks for the link | Aug 02 21:46 |
| schestowitz | I just looked at it | Aug 02 21:46 |
| schestowitz | like IDG, esp. PCWorld, the data isn't stated | Aug 02 21:46 |
| schestowitz | There were some issues like that a while back | Aug 02 21:46 |
| schestowitz | e.g. | Aug 02 21:46 |
| schestowitz | !google uk parliament microsoft email | Aug 02 21:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Microsoft in the dark after Parliamentary email disrupted for three days | http://www.computerweekly.com/news/4500248972/Microsoft-in-the-dark-after-Parliamentary-email-disrupted-for-three-days | Aug 02 21:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - The only way is Office: UK Parliament to migrate to Microsoft cloud ... | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/12/03/parliament_heads_for_ms/ | Aug 02 21:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - EU Parliament blocks Microsoft Outlook apps ... - SC Magazine UK | http://www.scmagazineuk.com/eu-parliament-blocks-microsoft-outlook-apps-over-privacy-fears/article/397332/ | Aug 02 21:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Members of the European Parliament are banned from using ... | http://www.businessinsider.com/outlook-banned-members-european-parliament-security-fears-2015-2 | Aug 02 21:46 |
| colea | It's an old one. I'm sorry for not taking a closer look. But on another not it linked to 14 mil. users upgrading to win10 w/the usual recipe of success. | Aug 02 21:49 |
| colea | and the the trolls bashing on the commenter stating the 10 mil failure. | Aug 02 21:50 |
| colea | "not"=note | Aug 02 21:52 |
| colea | This is the crap they're trying to sell... | Aug 02 22:01 |
| colea | http://www.techradar.com/us/news/software/operating-systems/14m-people-have-taken-the-windows-10-plunge-says-microsoft-1300774 | Aug 02 22:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techradar.com | 14m people have taken the Windows 10 plunge, says Microsoft | TechRadar [ http://ur1.ca/nc2qu ] | Aug 02 22:01 | |
| colea | Don't know where they're getting those numbers from. | Aug 02 22:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/UBlHRHcoLA | Aug 02 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | [22:02] <colea> Don't know where they're getting those numbers from. | Aug 02 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has a long history of lying about these numbers | Aug 02 22:31 |
| schestowitz | though it can take a while for people to see the numbers not making sense | Aug 02 22:31 |
| schestowitz | like web share stats | Aug 02 22:31 |
| schestowitz | the def of what they count is BS | Aug 02 22:31 |
| schestowitz | so they bias the number by counting something like "licences" | Aug 02 22:31 |
| schestowitz | meaning PCs in warehouses | Aug 02 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | with vista 10 on them | Aug 02 22:32 |
| schestowitz | and licences issues to businesses in bulk, e.g. "you may now install this on up to 1000 PCs" (which Microsoft calls 1000 'sales') | Aug 02 22:32 |
| schestowitz | the count is different in this case because for existing users there is no associated cost, but they can still add this figure to one pertaining to machines (not sold) with vista 10 "allowed" on them | Aug 02 22:33 |
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| colea | Thanks for the clarification; Didn't know those counted. | Aug 02 22:46 |
| colea | Hope link I posted didn't go to techrights. If it did, I will post no more links. | Aug 02 22:48 |
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| MinceR | msb__: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford#The_Dearborn_Independent_and_anti-Semitism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust | Aug 02 23:07 |
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| msb__ | MinceR: did you see this stuff? http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_Nazis | Aug 02 23:13 |
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| MinceR | not yet | Aug 02 23:17 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Regarding Uber.... I tried to sign up to be a driver just because I have a car and I don't use it very much. It's an older car, but it's been very reliable. It's not a clunker at all. | Aug 03 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | They told me it had to be a 2005 or newer. | Aug 03 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | I pretty much agree with South Park about these apps though. Taxi companies hate it because it's taking away their business, but that's not reason enough to shut down the apps. | Aug 03 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | That's like saying that there should have been a law forcing people to buy ice after the refrigerator replaced the icebox. Or saying that there should be a law to protect the RIAA because people can download free MP3s somewhere else. | Aug 03 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | When people say there ought to be a law, there frequently should be no such thing. | Aug 03 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | We have well over 40,000 defined criminal acts here in the United States at the federal level alone, an it hasn't exactly made us a better society. | Aug 03 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | If a person is happy to work for what Uber pays them, and the customer saves money vs. calling a cab, then why does the government need to get in the middle of this? | Aug 03 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | If anything, you'd think that Richard Stallman would be glad that the drivers don't have to rely on tips (he's made his opinion clear that he hates tipping and what people are paid should be settled between them and their employer). | Aug 03 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | I do think that maybe there should be some regulations on Uber to make it more like a form of employment. | Aug 03 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | It's good that they send tax reporting forms to the IRS, so that people can't do this under the table and not pay their share of taxes. | Aug 03 00:31 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2014/07/18/uber_drivers_in_dallas_and_new_york_city_make_much_less_than_the_company.html | Aug 03 00:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.slate.com | Uber drivers in Dallas and New York City make much less than the company claims. [ http://ur1.ca/nc3yx ] | Aug 03 00:33 | |
| DaemonFC | Stallman calls it "Guber" because he said that they pay peanuts. (Goober is a word meaning "peanut", and the name of a brand of chocolate covered peanuts) | Aug 03 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think that $27 an hour is anything to complain about. | Aug 03 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | “You can make $4,000 clean a month,” he said. “I mean, you make more than $5,000 but then you have to pay 20 percent to Uber, fees for your car, and gas.” | Aug 03 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | One of the drivers said that, and that he's very happy with the arrangement. | Aug 03 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | So, naturally, the government would need to ruin it. | Aug 03 00:36 |
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| DaemonFC | I was talking about Apple on Amazon again. | Aug 03 01:00 |
| DaemonFC | "I just wish that I could find one of their users that admits that Apple software is always version 0.9, followed by version 0.9, followed by version 0.9. " | Aug 03 01:00 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.geek.com/android/microsoft-continues-android-push-with-arrow-launcher-1629514/ | Aug 03 01:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geek.com | Microsoft continues Android push with Arrow Launcher | Android | Geek.com [ http://ur1.ca/nc4at ] | Aug 03 01:11 | |
| DaemonFC | Oh perfect. Microsoft "leveraged" deals to get MS Office on Android phones as a "system app". O frabjous day! | Aug 03 01:12 |
| MinceR | even on android, m$ gets to foist their broken crap on users | Aug 03 01:13 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. Can't they just go screw up their own operating system> | Aug 03 01:37 |
| MinceR | they already did | Aug 03 01:37 |
| MinceR | i guess they're like redcrap -- screwing up just their own stuff just isn't enough | Aug 03 01:37 |
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| oiaohm | The big problem I have is most people complain that Systemd is not Unix enough. Ok what is a core point of Unix. ***Everything is a File*** | Aug 03 01:55 |
| oiaohm | PID number is no a file. | Aug 03 01:55 |
| oiaohm | Process is linked to a cgroup by a filehandle. The existence of a cgroup can be a file-handle. | Aug 03 01:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Korora 22 (Selina) available | Tux Machines | Aug 03 01:57 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch and Ubuntu Desktop to Have Similar | Aug 03 01:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Boot Animations Soon http://t.co/ssITyOjgpL | Aug 03 01:57 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch and Ubuntu Desktop to Have Similar Boot Animations Soon | Tux Machines | Aug 03 01:57 | |
| oiaohm | The reality is systemd way of tracking processors more Unix than sysvinit. | Aug 03 01:57 |
| oiaohm | Also BSD tty tracking of processors is also a filehandle based solution. | Aug 03 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Aug 03 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | Well, that's Apple for you. His monkeys are still there and designing bad hardware too. | Aug 03 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | That decision to only ship the iPhone 6 with a gig of RAM is really going to bite people hard when iOS 9 is out, but you have to look at it from Apple's perspective. | Aug 03 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | By then, there will be another iPhone, and you won't be important anymore because you've owned your current phone for a whole year. Get back in there and give them more of your money! | Aug 03 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | The iPhone hardware isn't designed with anything past the iOS release that it shipped with in mind. Users find this out when they go to upgrade and it slows their phone down by 30% or more. | Aug 03 02:01 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: what is the site you keep on reference. | Aug 03 02:01 |
| DaemonFC | ? | Aug 03 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | For what? | Aug 03 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | I mostly comment on Amazon Forums. | Aug 03 02:03 |
| oiaohm | I was thinking J. R. Bob Dobbs could be a site. | Aug 03 02:04 |
| oiaohm | So that is a person on Amazon forums | Aug 03 02:04 |
| oiaohm | Remember android devices with too little ram use zswap DaemonFC | Aug 03 02:05 |
| oiaohm | Does iOS have compressed swap yet. | Aug 03 02:05 |
| oiaohm | To be correct zswap and zram | Aug 03 02:14 |
| oiaohm | Damage performance slightly but pack more data into ram. | Aug 03 02:14 |
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| DaemonFC | It's me on that forum. | Aug 03 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | zram doesn't seem to be helping my Chromebook anymore. | Aug 03 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | I'm getting a lot of "He's dead, Jim!" tabs, which is what happens when it runs out of memory. | Aug 03 03:37 |
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| DaemonFC | Chrome uses an obscene amount of RAM. | Aug 03 03:37 |
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| colea | Is techrights.org down? Getting 403-Forbidden while reading vista-10-anticompetitive | Aug 03 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/feedback-diagnostics-privacy-faq | Aug 03 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | Basic information is data that is vital to the operation of Windows. This data helps keep Windows and apps running properly by letting Microsoft know the capabilities of your device, what is installed, and whether Windows is operating correctly. This option also turns on basic error reporting back to Microsoft. If you select this option, we’ll be able to provide updates to Windows (through Windows Update, including malicious softwar | Aug 03 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | e protection by the Malicious Software Removal Tool), but some apps and features may not work correctly or at all. | Aug 03 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | Enhanced data includes all Basic data plus data about how you use Windows, such as how frequently or how long you use certain features or apps and which apps you use most often. This option also lets us collect enhanced diagnostic information, such as the memory state of your device when a system or app crash occurs, as well as measure reliability of devices, the operating system, and apps. If you select this option, we’ll be able t | Aug 03 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | o provide you with an enhanced and personalized Windows experience. | Aug 03 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | Full data includes all Basic and Enhanced data, and also turns on advanced diagnostic features that collect additional data from your device, such as system files or memory snapshots, which may unintentionally include parts of a document you were working on when a problem occurred. This information helps us further troubleshoot and fix problems. If an error report contains personal data, we won’t use that information to identify | Aug 03 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | , contact, or target advertising to you. This is the recommended option for the best Windows experience and the most effective troubleshooting. | Aug 03 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | There is no "off". Heh | Aug 03 05:09 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRV6PXB6QLk | Aug 03 09:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Microsoft laid me off after 15 years of service. Life after Microsoft? - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nc7nc ] | Aug 03 09:02 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/yukia77suzune/status/628087755013132288 | Aug 03 09:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@yukia77suzune: @warpdx @Luna_Noctune windows Vista10 | Aug 03 09:13 | |
| schestowitz | thw word is spresding | Aug 03 09:13 |
| schestowitz | vista10 | Aug 03 09:13 |
| DaemonFC | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/07/hear-how-steve-ballmer-bailed-out-xbox-after-red-ring-of-death/ | Aug 03 09:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Hear how Steve Ballmer bailed out Xbox after Red Ring of Death | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/n0im8 ] | Aug 03 09:27 | |
| DaemonFC | "The Red Ring of Death threatened to destroy the Xbox 360 and the entire Xbox brand." | Aug 03 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | It did for me. I got rid of it after the eighth refurb. I didn't see the point in spending $60 of my hard earned money per game only to have the console at Microsoft getting swapped out sooner than I could make it through a whole game. | Aug 03 09:28 |
| DaemonFC | I think that the only game I ended up playing through was Oblivion because I went out and bought a third party accessory that attached to the back of the console and kept it from overheating as badly. | Aug 03 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | It was a Nyko Intercooler 360. They didn't do a very good job with the pass-through connector to the power supply either. There was more than one person who had it catch fire. | Aug 03 09:30 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft's official statement was that any unlicensed accessory that damaged your console made the warranty void. | Aug 03 09:31 |
| cubexyz | everyboby knows.... | Aug 03 09:31 |
| cubexyz | Microsoft blows :) | Aug 03 09:32 |
| cubexyz | everybody even | Aug 03 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | I liked the original Xbox a lot, really. | Aug 03 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | I did not like the 360 at all. | Aug 03 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | Well, the original console anyway. The redesign solved those problems. | Aug 03 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | cubexyz, Well, all of their products only get sorted out near the end of their life span. | Aug 03 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | Sony designed their PS 4 controller to fail about every year. | Aug 03 09:38 |
| DaemonFC | It has a built-in battery so you have to throw it in the trash when that battery dies and buy a new controller. | Aug 03 09:38 |
| DaemonFC | I guess they decided that all the expensive games and a $500 console wheren't making them enough money. | Aug 03 09:39 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Microsoft isn't what it once was. | Aug 03 09:40 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think they'll go out of business soon, but they're not as influential as they used to be. | Aug 03 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.howtogeek.com/219651/windows-10-allows-you-to-sideload-universal-apps-just-like-android-does/ | Aug 03 09:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.howtogeek.com | Windows 10 Allows You To Sideload Universal Apps, Just Like Android Does [ http://ur1.ca/nc7x7 ] | Aug 03 09:42 | |
| DaemonFC | In practice, I think Windows Phone 10 and Android will effectively give the user about the same amount of freedom. | Aug 03 09:42 |
| DaemonFC | Stallman noted that while the proprietary bits of Android aren't technically part of AOSP, there doesn't exist a distribution without those components because it wouldn't really do much of anything without them. | Aug 03 09:43 |
| DaemonFC | I guess it remains to be seen how this whole Universal Windows App thing plays out. | Aug 03 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | Users mostly ignored Windows store apps in Windows 8 because they wre unusable on the desktop and you could only use them full screen and they didn't work well with a mouse and keyboard. | Aug 03 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | Hmmm. Google added OpenDocument Format to Google Docs. | Aug 03 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7T0AeF9W-8 | Aug 03 10:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Hitler Is Upset His iPhone 6 Is Bent - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nc84v ] | Aug 03 10:13 | |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.theverge.com/2014/11/6/7163789/microsoft-office-free-for-ipad-iphone-android | Aug 03 10:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Microsoft's next surprise is free Office for iPad, iPhone, and Android | The Verge [ http://ur1.ca/nc89b ] | Aug 03 10:29 | |
| DaemonFC | Should be illegal. | Aug 03 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | Dumping "free" MS Office but only on Android, to try to keep people from figuring out that they have options. | Aug 03 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | Subsidizing it with the money from the PC version. | Aug 03 10:30 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: there is another catch. | Aug 03 10:31 |
| oiaohm | MS Office for Android is only for 10inch or smaller Android devices. | Aug 03 10:31 |
| oiaohm | For free | Aug 03 10:31 |
| oiaohm | Yes 10.1 inch is not acceptable. | Aug 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, that makes sense. | Aug 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | If it was free on the larger tablets, people would just dock a keyboard and use it that way. | Aug 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | You could hook up your phone to a TV or monitor though | Aug 03 10:33 |
| oiaohm | I have a strange one with KDE Plasma 5 Nvidia VDPAU don't load. | Aug 03 10:33 |
| oiaohm | Yet every other window manager I have tried so far it works perfectly. | Aug 03 10:33 |
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| cubexyz | oiaohm, starting to get serious about figuring out the r300 video rom | Aug 03 10:48 |
| cubexyz | a video bios source code listing would be interesting to see | Aug 03 10:52 |
| oiaohm | I think that video card is almost romless and depends on uploading firmware | Aug 03 10:53 |
| cubexyz | where does the firmware come from? | Aug 03 10:53 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: from memory its in the Linux firmware directory. | Aug 03 10:54 |
| oiaohm | and in the windows driver. | Aug 03 10:54 |
| oiaohm | Both AMD/ATI provided. | Aug 03 10:54 |
| cubexyz | I'm running Linux though | Aug 03 10:54 |
| oiaohm | https://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-linux-nonfree | Aug 03 10:58 |
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| oiaohm | Yep is a microcode cubexyz | Aug 03 10:58 |
| oiaohm | meaning the gpu is a brick without it. | Aug 03 10:58 |
| cubexyz | you're saying the video bios isn't on the card so where does the firmware come from? :) | Aug 03 10:59 |
| cubexyz | I managed to grab it from /sys/devices | Aug 03 10:59 |
| oiaohm | that basic firmware is 2d only stuff. | Aug 03 11:00 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: so without the extra microcode the card basically suxs. | Aug 03 11:01 |
| cubexyz | I have 3d working | Aug 03 11:01 |
| oiaohm | Linux auto loads the firmwares cubexyz | Aug 03 11:01 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: ls -l /lib/firmware/radeon/R300_cp.bin that is the microcode. | Aug 03 11:03 |
| cubexyz | file not found | Aug 03 11:03 |
| oiaohm | Hmm | Aug 03 11:04 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: system debian? | Aug 03 11:04 |
| cubexyz | vector linux, based on slackware | Aug 03 11:04 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: "R300_cp.bin" check for that filename where ever slackware has it firmwares. | Aug 03 11:05 |
| oiaohm | Its only 2kb insize. | Aug 03 11:05 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: find /lib/firmware -iname "R300_cp.bin" | Aug 03 11:06 |
| oiaohm | Comes to mind. | Aug 03 11:07 |
| cubexyz | that file isn't anywhere | Aug 03 11:07 |
| oiaohm | Ok how big is the file you extracted from the card. | Aug 03 11:07 |
| oiaohm | I cannot remember where ATI cards start being Microcode less. | Aug 03 11:07 |
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| cubexyz | I think it was 128K | Aug 03 11:08 |
| oiaohm | Ie not having the microcode in firmware. | Aug 03 11:08 |
| oiaohm | I would guess 2kb of that is the gpu microcode. | Aug 03 11:08 |
| oiaohm | No GPU microcode no 3d acceleration. | Aug 03 11:08 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6420321 | Aug 03 11:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Police in #Norway Haven’t Killed Anyone in Nearly 10 Years http://www.newsweek.com/police-norway-havent-killed-anyone-nearly-10-years-359074 | Aug 03 11:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.newsweek.com | [ http://ur1.ca/nc8l2 ] | Aug 03 11:12 | |
| schestowitz | "they’ll just have to keep on practising" | Aug 03 11:12 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Lava goes the Android One way with Pixel V1 | Aug 03 11:27 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nc8pu | Aug 03 11:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Lava goes the Android One way with Pixel V1 | Tux Machines | Aug 03 11:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Antivirus Live CD 13.1-0.98.7 Uses ClamAV | Aug 03 11:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 0.98.7 to Protect Your PC Against Viruses | Aug 03 11:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/SRqbCmMCJp (linux.softpedia.com) | Aug 03 11:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Antivirus Live CD 13.1-0.98.7 Uses ClamAV 0.98.7 to Protect Your PC Against Viruses - Softpedia | Aug 03 11:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch and Ubuntu Desktop to Have Similar | Aug 03 11:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Boot Animations Soon http://t.co/AWNVopjzwK | Aug 03 11:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch and Ubuntu Desktop to Have Similar Boot Animations Soon - Softpedia | Aug 03 11:27 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Lava goes the Android One way with Pixel V1 | Aug 03 11:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/rB0RXXf9qk (www.dnaindia.com) | Aug 03 11:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nc8q1 | Aug 03 11:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dnaindia.com | Lava goes the Android One way with Pixel V1 | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis | Aug 03 11:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Headliner: Chinese Handsets Need Better | Aug 03 11:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Software http://t.co/0zro542uuD | Aug 03 11:31 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines qBittorrent Open Source Torrent Downloader Gets | Aug 03 11:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Massive WebUI Improvements, More | Aug 03 11:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/rmzMIDDPmX (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 03 11:31 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | qBittorrent Open-Source Torrent Downloader Gets Massive WebUI Improvements, More - Softpedia | Aug 03 11:31 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Simplicity Linux 15.7 Officially Released, | Aug 03 11:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Based on LXPup and Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS | Aug 03 11:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/ztPpIrexKR (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 03 11:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nc8re | Aug 03 11:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Simplicity Linux 15.7 Officially Released, Based on LXPup and Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS - Softpedia | Aug 03 11:32 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linus Torvalds warns he's in no mood to be | Aug 03 11:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | polite as Linux 4.2 drags | Aug 03 11:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Eph6ONo4mh (www.theregister.co.uk) | Aug 03 11:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nc8vi | Aug 03 11:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk | Linus Torvalds warns he's in no mood to be polite as Linux 4.2 drags • The Register | Aug 03 11:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Arch Linux-Based BlackArch Penetration Testing | Aug 03 11:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Distro Now Using Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS | Aug 03 11:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/mstwHSlD99 (linux.softpedia.com) | Aug 03 11:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nc8vj | Aug 03 11:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Arch Linux-Based BlackArch Penetration Testing Distro Now Using Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS - Softpedia | Aug 03 11:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Debian-Based Clonezilla Live 2.4.2-29 Is Out | Aug 03 11:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | with Partclone 0.2.81 and Lots of Bugfixes | Aug 03 11:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/aQq4718QIL (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 03 11:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nc8vk | Aug 03 11:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Debian-Based Clonezilla Live 2.4.2-29 Is Out with Partclone 0.2.81 and Lots of Bugfixes - Softpedia | Aug 03 11:44 | |
| cubexyz | progress is slow :-/ | Aug 03 11:50 |
| cubexyz | oh well, at least xmms is streaming on openbsd now | Aug 03 11:51 |
| cubexyz | I've put a lot of work in configuring vector linux | Aug 03 11:55 |
| cubexyz | this linux guy is pretty funny: | Aug 03 11:56 |
| cubexyz | "The one ray of hope is that maybe, just maybe, the thousands of Windows worms will go to war with each other and kill every Windows machine on earth. Though that would be a short-lived cure, because even after a Windows holocaust the first thing the survivors are going to do is get up, dust themselves off, and see if rebooting will bring their systems back up." | Aug 03 11:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Vendetta Online 1.8.346 MMORPG Available Now | Aug 03 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | for Linux, OS X, Windows, iOS, and Android | Aug 03 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/ftF7wY4W0S (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 03 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nc90x | Aug 03 12:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Vendetta Online 1.8.346 MMORPG Available Now for Linux, OS X, Windows, iOS, and Android - Softpedia | Aug 03 12:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "Docker is very portable—if you can run it on | Aug 03 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux, you can run it on Docker—and it doesn't | Aug 03 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | care" http://t.co/lfNmOH2Lvh (m.phys.org) | Aug 03 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nc90y | Aug 03 12:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-phys.org | Computing at full capacity | Aug 03 12:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines qBittorrent Open Source Torrent Downloader Gets | Aug 03 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Massive WebUI Improvements, More | Aug 03 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/XnhtMWIVB5 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 03 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nc911 | Aug 03 12:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | qBittorrent Open Source Torrent Downloader Gets Massive WebUI Improvements, More | Tux Machines | Aug 03 12:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Simplicity Linux 15.7 Officially Released, | Aug 03 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Based on LXPup and Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS | Aug 03 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/27qWBitJMj (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 03 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nc913 | Aug 03 12:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Simplicity Linux 15.7 Officially Released, Based on LXPup and Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS | Tux Machines | Aug 03 12:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linus Torvalds warns he's in no mood to be | Aug 03 12:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | polite as Linux 4.2 drags | Aug 03 12:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/l9QILTSzE5 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 03 12:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nc937 | Aug 03 12:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linus Torvalds warns he's in no mood to be polite as Linux 4.2 drags | Tux Machines | Aug 03 12:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Arch Linux-Based BlackArch Penetration Testing | Aug 03 12:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Distro Now Using Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS | Aug 03 12:06 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: I love those Der Untergang adaptations. Thanks! | Aug 03 12:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/kHRYsBKeyU (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 03 12:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nc939 | Aug 03 12:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Arch Linux-Based BlackArch Penetration Testing Distro Now Using Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS | Tux Machines | Aug 03 12:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Debian-Based Clonezilla Live 2.4.2-29 Is Out | Aug 03 12:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | with Partclone 0.2.81 and Lots of Bugfixes | Aug 03 12:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/pDv1POq0QF (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 03 12:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nc93b | Aug 03 12:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian-Based Clonezilla Live 2.4.2-29 Is Out with Partclone 0.2.81 and Lots of Bugfixes | Tux Machines | Aug 03 12:06 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/628260679254941697 | Aug 03 18:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz In all my travels I've never seen a Norwegian policeman more than once (And that was Oslo)..... | Aug 03 18:53 | |
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| schestowitz | [15:49] <cubexyz> ok, hold on, is there two different 7.2s? | Aug 03 19:10 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz still lives in the 90s ;-p | Aug 03 19:10 |
| cubexyz | I study all eras | Aug 03 19:15 |
| schestowitz | that's good | Aug 03 19:18 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 8-Way Linux Desktop OpenGL Comparison Atop | Aug 03 20:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Fedora 22 http://t.co/HFh92h6lTU | Aug 03 20:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 03 20:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncdvf | Aug 03 20:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 8-Way Linux Desktop OpenGL Comparison Atop Fedora 22 | Tux Machines | Aug 03 20:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition Is Now Back in Stock | Aug 03 20:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/zZ90xmnNDm (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 03 20:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncdvi | Aug 03 20:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition Is Now Back in Stock | Tux Machines | Aug 03 20:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Unity 8 and KDE Will Be Able to Coexist on the | Aug 03 20:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Same Ubuntu OS http://t.co/wjJdb0A6Q4 | Aug 03 20:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 03 20:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncdvj | Aug 03 20:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Unity 8 and KDE Will Be Able to Coexist on the Same Ubuntu OS | Tux Machines | Aug 03 20:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu drone puts robotics in the classroom | Aug 03 20:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/nJ1rqTrcza (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 03 20:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncdvm | Aug 03 20:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu drone puts robotics in the classroom | Tux Machines | Aug 03 20:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Distro: Your Best Choice? | Aug 03 20:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/7Jw0aMuiDT (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 03 20:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nce0c | Aug 03 20:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Distro: Your Best Choice? | Tux Machines | Aug 03 20:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Best Android smartphones for work and play: | Aug 03 20:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | August 2015 edition http://t.co/Lj7M3nFxbF | Aug 03 20:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | Best Android smartphones for work and play: August 2015 edition | ZDNet | Aug 03 20:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.zdnet.com) | Aug 03 20:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nce0d | Aug 03 20:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Manjaro 0.8.13 Gets the Latest NVIDIA Drivers | Aug 03 20:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | with the Seventh Update, and Much More | Aug 03 20:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/K3QDKZeBUd (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 03 20:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nce0f | Aug 03 20:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Manjaro 0.8.13 Gets the Latest NVIDIA Drivers with the Seventh Update, and Much More - Softpedia | Aug 03 20:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LibreOffice 5.0 RC Brings More DOCX | Aug 03 20:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Improvements, Final Version in Two Days | Aug 03 20:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/hZqwVdHJou (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 03 20:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nce1c | Aug 03 20:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | LibreOffice 5.0 RC Brings More DOCX Improvements, Final Version in Two Days - Softpedia | Aug 03 20:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines NVIDIA 355 Beta Linux Driver Released, Closer | Aug 03 20:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | To Supporting Wayland/Mir | Aug 03 20:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/AOgoTwg482 (www.phoronix.com) | Aug 03 20:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nce1d | Aug 03 20:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | NVIDIA 355 Beta Linux Driver Released, Closer To Supporting Wayland/Mir - Phoronix | Aug 03 20:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 8-Way Linux Desktop OpenGL Comparison Atop | Aug 03 20:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Fedora 22 http://t.co/dhR7ncKWPl | Aug 03 20:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Aug 03 20:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nce1e | Aug 03 20:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | 8-Way Linux Desktop OpenGL Comparison Atop Fedora 22 - Phoronix | Aug 03 20:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition Is Now Back in Stock | Aug 03 20:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/zoCh8L3p4V (linux.softpedia.com) | Aug 03 20:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nce1f | Aug 03 20:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition Is Now Back in Stock - Softpedia | Aug 03 20:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Unity 8 and KDE Will Be Able to Coexist on the | Aug 03 20:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Same Ubuntu OS http://t.co/p0Zyf6Tkan | Aug 03 20:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Unity 8 and KDE Will Be Able to Coexist on the Same Ubuntu OS - Softpedia | Aug 03 20:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 03 20:27 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu drone puts robotics in the classroom | Aug 03 20:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/QKlUhIwYMN | Aug 03 20:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.electronicsweekly.com) | Aug 03 20:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.electronicsweekly.com | Ubuntu drone puts robotics in the classroom | Electronics Weekly | Aug 03 20:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nce23 | Aug 03 20:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Distro: Your Best Choice? | Aug 03 20:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/AD3ZYkNZ14 (www.datamation.com) | Aug 03 20:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nce24 | Aug 03 20:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datamation.com | Linux Distro: Your Best Choice? - Datamation | Aug 03 20:27 | |
| MinceR | not byfield, but still shit | Aug 03 20:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AMD Publishes Open-Source Fiji GPU Support For | Aug 03 20:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | AMDGPU http://t.co/QX67WKRtug | Aug 03 20:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Aug 03 20:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | AMD Publishes Open-Source Fiji GPU Support For AMDGPU - Phoronix | Aug 03 20:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nce6e | Aug 03 20:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Companies That Support Linux: Solace | Aug 03 20:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Systems http://t.co/vOw4fzh2Ip (www.linux.com) | Aug 03 20:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nce6f | Aug 03 20:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com | The Companies That Support Linux: Solace Systems | Linux.com | Aug 03 20:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "As part of Evolving KDE we have done a survey | Aug 03 20:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to get a better understanding of where we are" | Aug 03 20:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/o4eFDaGCuM (blog.lydiapintscher.de) | Aug 03 20:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nce6g | Aug 03 20:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.lydiapintscher.de | Evolving KDE – recommendations | life at the end of the universe | Aug 03 20:40 | |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/microchoice.txt | Aug 03 21:01 |
| MinceR | just like the choice cancerd cultists give you | Aug 03 21:03 |
| MinceR | http://pastebin.ca/3087491 | Aug 03 21:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pastebin.ca | pastebin - Mine - post number 3087491 | Aug 03 21:08 | |
| MinceR | this is the software oiaohm believes in | Aug 03 21:08 |
| cubexyz | I knew windows 10 was going to be a clunker, but when I read the fsf article about windows 10 they really made it sound like the operating system from hell | Aug 03 21:09 |
| MinceR | and yet they prop up systemd | Aug 03 21:10 |
| cubexyz | why do you say that? | Aug 03 21:10 |
| MinceR | the only comments i've ever seen from the FSF and RMS about systemd were supportive | Aug 03 21:10 |
| MinceR | i thought they were supposed to be the canary in the coal mine | Aug 03 21:11 |
| MinceR | but the way they are now, they're useless in that role | Aug 03 21:11 |
| cubexyz | Stallman said he never used systemd | Aug 03 21:13 |
| cubexyz | it sounded like he didn't really want to talk about it | Aug 03 21:13 |
| MinceR | yet he assumes it supports the freedom of the user based solely on its license | Aug 03 21:13 |
| MinceR | then he should have said he doesn't know or that he doesn't want to talk about it | Aug 03 21:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Kernel 3.19.8 CKT3 Is Now Available | Aug 03 21:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/AZZ8c78i4G (linuxg.net) Kernel | Aug 03 21:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 3.18.19 LTS Brings Fixes http://t.co/7unzDYDE02 | Aug 03 21:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net | Kernel 3.19.8 CKT3 Is Now Available | LinuxG.net | Aug 03 21:14 | |
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| msb__ | cubexyz: Thanks for Survey of Init Systems pdf! Very educational! | Aug 03 21:19 |
| cubexyz | it's a bit old so it didn't mention systemd, but was still interesting | Aug 03 21:19 |
| cubexyz | I'm trying to understand what shpchp does | Aug 03 21:33 |
| cubexyz | it's the Standard Hot Plug PCI controller driver | Aug 03 21:33 |
| cubexyz | "you can insert a new PCI hot plug adapter into an available PCI slot while the operating system is running" | Aug 03 21:35 |
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| msb__ | Very good argument against systemd, which tries to protect against problematic services by greatly increasing overall complexity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_is_the_enemy_of_good | Aug 03 22:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Perfect is the enemy of good - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/hfjzt ] | Aug 03 22:08 | |
| msb__ | Better to fix misbehaving services and leave the system simple enough that troubleshooting with ps, top, killall, etc., is still possible. | Aug 03 22:09 |
| msb__ | A Linux suitable for running all of Google or IMDB or Amazon on a single million-cpu processor is NOT suitable for running my 8-core desktop (which is only 2-core now). | Aug 03 22:12 |
| cubexyz | it's an operations issue to a large degree | Aug 03 22:12 |
| cubexyz | as the operator gets more skilled with any given system efficiency increases | Aug 03 22:12 |
| cubexyz | it doesn't matter exactly what software I use to access my scanner and long as it works | Aug 03 22:13 |
| cubexyz | I still want FOSS software of course | Aug 03 22:14 |
| msb__ | But I don't need all the load balancing, service tracking, malware preventing that those huge systems need. | Aug 03 22:14 |
| cubexyz | no a simpler OS for us is better | Aug 03 22:14 |
| msb__ | And I am already skilled enough that I can fix problems with my simple system. | Aug 03 22:14 |
| cubexyz | I can do my own load balancing by running different programs on different computers | Aug 03 22:15 |
| cubexyz | right | Aug 03 22:15 |
| msb__ | With a $200 8-core you won't even have to do that. | Aug 03 22:15 |
| msb__ | With my 2-core, I have to nice down firefox in order to play x265s. | Aug 03 22:17 |
| msb__ | That's load balancing. | Aug 03 22:17 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: where is / checked. | Aug 04 00:58 |
| oiaohm | Initrd includes fsck for a reason. | Aug 04 00:58 |
| oiaohm | systemd itself is not started until initrd ends. | Aug 04 00:59 |
| MinceR | maybe they'll make putting systemd in the initramfs mandatory :> | Aug 04 01:00 |
| MinceR | or they'll just proceed directly to ksystemd | Aug 04 01:00 |
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| oiaohm | Nop there is a different replacement for initrd | Aug 04 01:01 |
| oiaohm | What replaceing script based initrd has been defined. | Aug 04 01:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: about time you find the name of it. | Aug 04 01:02 |
| MinceR | ksystemd will make dave cutler so proud! | Aug 04 01:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: come on name what replaces script based initrd | Aug 04 01:04 |
| oiaohm | https://dracut.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page | Aug 04 01:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dracut.wiki.kernel.org | Dracut Wiki [ http://ur1.ca/b5kvb ] | Aug 04 01:05 | |
| oiaohm | The answer is dracut MinceR | Aug 04 01:05 |
| *MinceR is not impressed | Aug 04 01:06 | |
| oiaohm | dracut is more successful at starting that old init solution. | Aug 04 01:06 |
| oiaohm | old initrd systems. | Aug 04 01:06 |
| MinceR | ooh, it depends on udev, therefore, systemd | Aug 04 01:07 |
| oiaohm | Nop | Aug 04 01:07 |
| MinceR | yet another tentacle | Aug 04 01:07 |
| MinceR | "dracut's initramfs depends on udev" | Aug 04 01:07 |
| oiaohm | dracut does not use systemd libudev | Aug 04 01:07 |
| MinceR | right on the page you linked | Aug 04 01:07 |
| MinceR | udev is part of systemd | Aug 04 01:07 |
| oiaohm | dracut talks straight to udev kernel. | Aug 04 01:07 |
| oiaohm | udev is two halfs | Aug 04 01:07 |
| oiaohm | udev in kernel and userspace. | Aug 04 01:07 |
| oiaohm | systemd is only the userspace library part. | Aug 04 01:07 |
| oiaohm | So again you miss read and go off will bull crap MinceR | Aug 04 01:08 |
| oiaohm | dracut has no dependance on any particular init system. | Aug 04 01:09 |
| MinceR | yet. | Aug 04 01:09 |
| oiaohm | No never will. | Aug 04 01:09 |
| MinceR | also, systemd is not an init system | Aug 04 01:09 |
| MinceR | it's a piece of cancerous malware that aspires to be an operating system. | Aug 04 01:09 |
| oiaohm | Part of systemd is a init system. | Aug 04 01:09 |
| MinceR | it's a parasite that's latching on to the host OS with a million tentacles. | Aug 04 01:09 |
| oiaohm | Otherwise it could not init the system MinceR | Aug 04 01:09 |
| MinceR | just like redcrap is a parasite that's latching on to the free software community | Aug 04 01:10 |
| MinceR | and microsoft is a parasite that's latching on to the IT industry | Aug 04 01:10 |
| oiaohm | Also what is funny here MinceR | Aug 04 01:12 |
| oiaohm | Is dracut developers really don't like having todo massive amounts of fsck in the initrd | Aug 04 01:13 |
| MinceR | yeah, that's a regular laugh riot | Aug 04 01:13 |
| oiaohm | Because the dracut developers are kernel developers and believe you should be able to boot without a initramfs | Aug 04 01:14 |
| oiaohm | Now that is a real issue of systemd. | Aug 04 01:14 |
| MinceR | not all kernel developers are created equal | Aug 04 01:14 |
| oiaohm | it mandates the existance of a initramfs | Aug 04 01:14 |
| MinceR | consider gregkh for example, who wanted kdbus to be dumped in the kernel without review. | Aug 04 01:14 |
| oiaohm | Of course not all kernel developers are equal. | Aug 04 01:15 |
| oiaohm | There is more than 1 of them for a reason. | Aug 04 01:16 |
| oiaohm | Part of gregkh job is be advicate to get drivers into the kernel that are not of acceptable quality but address issues. Like android binder. | Aug 04 01:17 |
| MinceR | who employs him to do that? | Aug 04 01:18 |
| MinceR | redcrap? | Aug 04 01:18 |
| oiaohm | There are other developers who have the role of putting up the counter arguement. | Aug 04 01:18 |
| MinceR | whoever owns suse this month? | Aug 04 01:18 |
| MinceR | or perhaps the nsa directly? | Aug 04 01:18 |
| oiaohm | Guess what both sides are are redhat. | Aug 04 01:18 |
| oiaohm | Its a classic proscution/defense model. | Aug 04 01:19 |
| MinceR | a classic shell game | Aug 04 01:19 |
| oiaohm | Gregkh loses more often than he wins. | Aug 04 01:19 |
| MinceR | and apparently if he wins, the kernel goes to shit | Aug 04 01:19 |
| oiaohm | The last 2 vetos to kdbus include have been redhat. | Aug 04 01:20 |
| MinceR | maybe they'll have a chat with HR, then | Aug 04 01:20 |
| oiaohm | They are all doing their job. | Aug 04 01:20 |
| MinceR | i can see that | Aug 04 01:21 |
| MinceR | what i wonder is how much more will have to be destroyed until they're stopped | Aug 04 01:21 |
| oiaohm | This system of how to do major changes in the Linux kernel started 1994 | Aug 04 01:21 |
| MinceR | so far we've lost 5 distros that weren't redcrap or suse | Aug 04 01:21 |
| oiaohm | Most of the time it works well. | Aug 04 01:21 |
| MinceR | major ones, anyway | Aug 04 01:22 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#Adoption_and_reception | Aug 04 01:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | systemd - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nci1p ] | Aug 04 01:22 | |
| oiaohm | Really most of the distrobution who have taken up systemd were taking redhat sysvinit modifications. | Aug 04 01:22 |
| oiaohm | So really not as independant as you are making out MinceR | Aug 04 01:23 |
| MinceR | so redcrap was already holding their strings | Aug 04 01:23 |
| oiaohm | Has held there strings since 1996 yet you never noticed MinceR | Aug 04 01:23 |
| MinceR | well yeah, in the IT industry (and also in politics) it's a beloved sport to set up pretend "independents" | Aug 04 01:23 |
| MinceR | yeah, i didn't notice what redcrap was doing to gnu/linux until they killed debian | Aug 04 01:24 |
| oiaohm | debian has taken redhat sysvinit modifications since 1997 | Aug 04 01:24 |
| MinceR | and look where it got them | Aug 04 01:24 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: to being one of the most used and modified distrobutions on earth I would say taking redhat stuff has done them quite well. | Aug 04 01:26 |
| MinceR | i must be imagining the mass of bug tickets reporting horrible behavior due to systemd | Aug 04 01:27 |
| oiaohm | Other than the RPM/DEB bickering distrobutions have been closer. | Aug 04 01:27 |
| MinceR | i wonder how long debian will last | Aug 04 01:27 |
| MinceR | after all, the systemd cult believes that diversity is evil | Aug 04 01:27 |
| MinceR | so there can be only one distro | Aug 04 01:28 |
| MinceR | once systemdnf comes out, debian will abandon .deb | Aug 04 01:28 |
| oiaohm | Reality diversity in Linux Distrobutions has not existed properly for a long time. | Aug 04 01:28 |
| MinceR | and there won't be much of a pretense anymore | Aug 04 01:28 |
| MinceR | rejoice, then | Aug 04 01:28 |
| oiaohm | Interesting enough there is a rpm5 that does deb and rpm. | Aug 04 01:28 |
| oiaohm | There is techically differences in the way deb and rpm work. | Aug 04 01:29 |
| MinceR | ooh, then that can be adopted based on its "merits" by debian immediately | Aug 04 01:29 |
| oiaohm | neither can cover all cases perfectly. | Aug 04 01:29 |
| MinceR | go tell them | Aug 04 01:29 |
| oiaohm | No need MinceR https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=623585 | Aug 04 01:31 |
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| oiaohm | rpm5 is not new MinceR | Aug 04 01:31 |
| oiaohm | The fact it existed for this long and debian has not changed means debian is highly unlikely to move. | Aug 04 01:31 |
| MinceR | i don't see anything about replacing dpkg with rpm5 here | Aug 04 01:31 |
| MinceR | yeah, right | Aug 04 01:31 |
| oiaohm | Debian policy before it can replace anything it has to get its tail into sid. | Aug 04 01:32 |
| oiaohm | So far RPM5 has failed to get into sid. | Aug 04 01:32 |
| oiaohm | systemd could not be considered to replace the core init until it was at least in sid. | Aug 04 01:33 |
| MinceR | that's fine, redcrap pays enough people to make debian do its bidding | Aug 04 01:33 |
| MinceR | all they need to do is make gnome depend on yum/dnf/rpm being the package manager, and apt/dpkg gets thrown out before you realize what's going on | Aug 04 01:34 |
| oiaohm | You don't want to accept that systemd won on techical merit with debian and can lose on techical merit. | Aug 04 01:34 |
| MinceR | that's because i know systemd | Aug 04 01:34 |
| oiaohm | gnome dependant on only rpm has already been attempted. | Aug 04 01:34 |
| oiaohm | Totallly failed to move debian in 2002 | Aug 04 01:34 |
| MinceR | it's not 2002, though | Aug 04 01:35 |
| oiaohm | 2006 | Aug 04 01:35 |
| oiaohm | and 2008 | Aug 04 01:35 |
| oiaohm | Result is they are not moving. | Aug 04 01:35 |
| oiaohm | And if you knew your topic you would know why RPM to move debian has such a big problems. | Aug 04 01:40 |
| oiaohm | http://debian-br.sourceforge.net/txt/alien.html This lists the features of RPM and DEB | Aug 04 01:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-debian-br.sourceforge.net | A comparison of the deb, rpm, tgz, and slp package formats. [ http://ur1.ca/6kp8 ] | Aug 04 01:41 | |
| MinceR | the move to systemd caused tons of problems, yet it still happened. | Aug 04 01:42 |
| oiaohm | There were a ton of problems before systemd as well. | Aug 04 01:42 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: problems you want to pretend did not exist. | Aug 04 01:42 |
| MinceR | oh, that's fine, i guess | Aug 04 01:43 |
| MinceR | getting a lot of new problems is OK if we had a few before | Aug 04 01:43 |
| oiaohm | Number of problems systemd has caused are less than what already existed. | Aug 04 01:43 |
| MinceR | citation needed | Aug 04 01:43 |
| oiaohm | changing to consolekit caused pain. | Aug 04 01:44 |
| oiaohm | Because you could not clearly see what it was upto. | Aug 04 01:44 |
| oiaohm | so swaping out consolekit for a logind like solution makes sense. | Aug 04 01:44 |
| MinceR | good thing systemd is so transparent | Aug 04 01:45 |
| MinceR | anything makes sense if you lie hard enough. | Aug 04 01:45 |
| oiaohm | You would not call consolekit that transparent either. | Aug 04 01:45 |
| MinceR | which would matter, if consolekit was all systemd replaced. | Aug 04 01:45 |
| oiaohm | Its not lieing hard enough. | Aug 04 01:45 |
| MinceR | if it was as modular as you keep insisting, that would not be a problem. | Aug 04 01:46 |
| oiaohm | The change makes sense for now. Best out of a bad bunch. | Aug 04 01:46 |
| oiaohm | Now what we need is something designed better that can get into sid. | Aug 04 01:46 |
| MinceR | if you like the design principles of windows so much, why not just use windows? | Aug 04 01:46 |
| oiaohm | Then fight for it place. | Aug 04 01:46 |
| MinceR | we already have plenty of stuff that's designed better in sid | Aug 04 01:46 |
| MinceR | unless they've already thrown out sysvinit and openrc. | Aug 04 01:47 |
| MinceR | hell, even upstart is less brain-damaged than systemd. | Aug 04 01:47 |
| oiaohm | openrc is managing to fail to build. | Aug 04 01:47 |
| MinceR | strange, thousands of gentoo users manage to build it | Aug 04 01:47 |
| MinceR | somehow | Aug 04 01:47 |
| MinceR | i managed to build it too | Aug 04 01:47 |
| MinceR | it makes one suspect that perhaps they don't _want_ it to build. | Aug 04 01:48 |
| oiaohm | Even gentoo users do broard testing have run into some openrc issues. | Aug 04 01:48 |
| MinceR | well, that makes the choice easy, then, since systemd has no issues | Aug 04 01:48 |
| MinceR | oh wait | Aug 04 01:48 |
| oiaohm | Even that systemd has lots of nasty issues it managed to be good enough to get past debian auto quality tests. | Aug 04 01:48 |
| MinceR | funny thing, a lot of openrc doesn't even need to build, as there are shell scripts in there | Aug 04 01:48 |
| MinceR | (heresy!) | Aug 04 01:49 |
| MinceR | that only means that debian's auto quality tests aren't worth shit. | Aug 04 01:49 |
| oiaohm | debian has auto audited for bad scripting style MinceR | Aug 04 01:49 |
| oiaohm | There are quality issues with openrc | Aug 04 01:49 |
| MinceR | has it auto audited for braindead software design too? | Aug 04 01:49 |
| oiaohm | I want to see resolved. | Aug 04 01:49 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter anymore | Aug 04 01:49 |
| oiaohm | It does matter | Aug 04 01:50 |
| MinceR | the systemd cult got their thing in, openrc doesn't have another chance there | Aug 04 01:50 |
| oiaohm | Thinking there is another vote for init system for debian marked for next major release. | Aug 04 01:50 |
| MinceR | redcrap has all the leverage it needs to do debian whatever it wants. | Aug 04 01:50 |
| MinceR | and since debian is a competitor, there's only one direction that will go. | Aug 04 01:50 |
| MinceR | we've seen this game played by m$ so many times | Aug 04 01:51 |
| oiaohm | There is another chance for openrc | Aug 04 01:51 |
| MinceR | yet some people expect different results this time. | Aug 04 01:51 |
| oiaohm | It was given to the next release to mature. | Aug 04 01:51 |
| MinceR | maturity doesn't matter to debian | Aug 04 01:51 |
| MinceR | if it did, they wouldn't have adopted systemd. | Aug 04 01:51 |
| MinceR | it's still full of bugs that would be considered blockers if redcrap didn't have them by the balls. | Aug 04 01:52 |
| oiaohm | If they were happy with the systemd choice they would not have marked down for vote again next release. | Aug 04 01:52 |
| MinceR | it doesn't matter what they do in the next release | Aug 04 01:52 |
| oiaohm | You have presumed debian is happy about systemd MinceR | Aug 04 01:52 |
| MinceR | the idea of a "stable" release becomes preposterous after jessie is out. | Aug 04 01:52 |
| MinceR | only fools would trust debian with production systems now. | Aug 04 01:53 |
| MinceR | they might as well take fedora, slap a "debian" sticker on it and put it up for download. | Aug 04 01:53 |
| MinceR | they seemed pretty damn happy with that crap | Aug 04 01:53 |
| MinceR | so happy in fact they did everything they could to prevent people from using sysvinit | Aug 04 01:53 |
| oiaohm | Thing that is annoying me is systemd based debian for servers is less strange bugs than sysvinit was. | Aug 04 01:53 |
| MinceR | they did everything they could to break the system if you tried to do the heretical thing | Aug 04 01:54 |
| MinceR | they can go fuck themselves now. | Aug 04 01:54 |
| oiaohm | Debian was losing ground to upstart in servers because of sysvinit strangeness errors. | Aug 04 01:54 |
| MinceR | oh wait, they already have. | Aug 04 01:54 |
| MinceR | they've made all their work (past, present and future) count for jack shit with this move. | Aug 04 01:54 |
| MinceR | that's a good one | Aug 04 01:54 |
| MinceR | upstart on a server | Aug 04 01:54 |
| MinceR | that's like windows on a server | Aug 04 01:54 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: ubuntu | Aug 04 01:55 |
| MinceR | another knee-slapper | Aug 04 01:55 |
| MinceR | ubuntu "server" | Aug 04 01:55 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu was beating debian for server market aquirements. | Aug 04 01:55 |
| oiaohm | For a while. | Aug 04 01:55 |
| MinceR | hey, let's randomly suspend and resume processes for no good reason! | Aug 04 01:55 |
| MinceR | ooh, "beating" | Aug 04 01:55 |
| MinceR | just like windows is "beating" everyone else, right? | Aug 04 01:55 |
| MinceR | so much merit in that system. | Aug 04 01:55 |
| oiaohm | Remember debian refused to go upstart completely. | Aug 04 01:55 |
| MinceR | i still don't see why don't you systemd lovers just move to windows already | Aug 04 01:56 |
| MinceR | it's got all the design flaws you love so much | Aug 04 01:56 |
| oiaohm | Really I would prefer openrc | Aug 04 01:56 |
| MinceR | it's got services.exe, svchost.exe | Aug 04 01:56 |
| MinceR | it's got a windowing system in the kernel | Aug 04 01:56 |
| MinceR | it's got all sorts of random crap in the kernel | Aug 04 01:56 |
| MinceR | really, kdbus is just peanuts next to what windows does in the kernel | Aug 04 01:56 |
| oiaohm | That is the thing what Windows does in kernel is massive insane. | Aug 04 01:57 |
| MinceR | yeah, but that's totally cool nowadays | Aug 04 01:57 |
| MinceR | move dbus into the kernel, move everything else into pid1 | Aug 04 01:57 |
| oiaohm | Not true. | Aug 04 01:57 |
| MinceR | memory protection? who needs that? | Aug 04 01:57 |
| MinceR | access control? who needs that? | Aug 04 01:57 |
| oiaohm | pid1 does not in fact run lot under systemd. | Aug 04 01:57 |
| oiaohm | logind does not run as PID1 | Aug 04 01:58 |
| MinceR | let's let all the functions shit right all over each other's memory and see what happens! | Aug 04 01:58 |
| MinceR | files too! | Aug 04 01:58 |
| oiaohm | started by pid1 | Aug 04 01:58 |
| oiaohm | systemd is a stack of small applications. | Aug 04 01:58 |
| MinceR | yeah | Aug 04 01:58 |
| MinceR | which is why you can just swap out journald for something that was designed by someone with a clue, right? | Aug 04 01:58 |
| MinceR | oh wait, you can't | Aug 04 01:58 |
| MinceR | cancerd is modular only on the brochure | Aug 04 01:59 |
| MinceR | whenever you'd actually do something with this mythical modularity, it disappears. | Aug 04 01:59 |
| oiaohm | To be correct you could swap out journald | Aug 04 01:59 |
| oiaohm | but no one has make a replacement that supports the define interfaces. | Aug 04 01:59 |
| MinceR | sewing something on the asshole of journald is not "swapping out". | Aug 04 01:59 |
| MinceR | i wonder why no one has done that | Aug 04 01:59 |
| oiaohm | Supports all the define interfaces yet. | Aug 04 02:00 |
| oiaohm | rsyslog has a prototype. | Aug 04 02:00 |
| MinceR | yeah, a moving target is so easy to follow | Aug 04 02:00 |
| MinceR | especially with all the secrets. | Aug 04 02:00 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Aug 04 02:00 |
| MinceR | it's AARD all over again. | Aug 04 02:00 |
| oiaohm | journald interfaces were defined in 2010 and have not changed. | Aug 04 02:00 |
| MinceR | that time novell was one of the victims | Aug 04 02:00 |
| MinceR | they didn't learn jack shit from it either. | Aug 04 02:01 |
| oiaohm | Most parts of systemd are not moving targets. | Aug 04 02:01 |
| MinceR | citation needed | Aug 04 02:01 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: same place I gave you with logind documentation. | Aug 04 02:02 |
| MinceR | also, i wonder what will happen to all these alleged stable interfaces when the CADT model hits | Aug 04 02:02 |
| MinceR | and systemd gets rewritten all over again | Aug 04 02:02 |
| oiaohm | Turns out journald and logind they documented first then coded badly. | Aug 04 02:02 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: not in citation given | Aug 04 02:02 |
| oiaohm | The fact journald is broken is not the design. | Aug 04 02:02 |
| MinceR | funny thing, i do have something about the value of promises made by poettering/redcrap | Aug 04 02:03 |
| MinceR | http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.hotplug.devel/17392 | Aug 04 02:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-article.gmane.org | Gmane -- The future of the udev source tree [ http://ur1.ca/jn1n9 ] | Aug 04 02:03 | |
| MinceR | http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html | Aug 04 02:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.freedesktop.org | [systemd-devel] [PATCH] Drop the udev firmware loader [ http://ur1.ca/ir0kd ] | Aug 04 02:03 | |
| MinceR | it says "they aren't worth the money it cost you to download the message they were in" | Aug 04 02:03 |
| MinceR | also, journald is broken by design | Aug 04 02:03 |
| MinceR | it's sad if you can't see that. | Aug 04 02:03 |
| oiaohm | Please note the journald interface design is all text based. | Aug 04 02:04 |
| oiaohm | No binary logs. | Aug 04 02:04 |
| MinceR | and the design of journald consists solely of its interface? | Aug 04 02:04 |
| MinceR | is systemd a potemkin village, then? | Aug 04 02:04 |
| oiaohm | The interface design is what you have to copy to replace it. | Aug 04 02:05 |
| oiaohm | They could have include the binary crap in the interface design. | Aug 04 02:05 |
| MinceR | they didn't have to. | Aug 04 02:05 |
| oiaohm | But they thought that someone some day might want to make a replacement to journald. | Aug 04 02:06 |
| MinceR | journald interface vs. design: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/05/04/the-broodax-imperiate | Aug 04 02:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.penny-arcade.com | Penny Arcade - Comic - The Broodax Imperiate [ http://ur1.ca/ncif1 ] | Aug 04 02:06 | |
| MinceR | they thought that the nsa some day might want a replacement to journald? | Aug 04 02:07 |
| MinceR | if they really wanted journald to be possible to swap out, it would have the same interface as the preexisting syslogd-s. | Aug 04 02:08 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Aug 04 02:08 |
| MinceR | i was sure you'd say that | Aug 04 02:08 |
| oiaohm | to ensure proper logging existing syslogs had to use wrapper programs. | Aug 04 02:09 |
| MinceR | redcrap is just like m$, they rewrite the rules as they see fit and the unthinking masses worship them for it and praise their every move. | Aug 04 02:09 |
| MinceR | at least existing syslogs could do proper logging. | Aug 04 02:09 |
| oiaohm | Most of those had the same problems consolekit had. | Aug 04 02:09 |
| oiaohm | No interface to find out what in heck they were upto. | Aug 04 02:09 |
| MinceR | and for that you have to replace the entire interface? cool story. | Aug 04 02:10 |
| oiaohm | journald kept syslog backend and recieving messages by syslog. | Aug 04 02:10 |
| oiaohm | So no they did not replace the complete inteface. | Aug 04 02:10 |
| MinceR | is that why it shits logs into an unreliable binary mess? | Aug 04 02:10 |
| oiaohm | storing in binary logs that was a idea that other parties had done before them. | Aug 04 02:11 |
| oiaohm | That someone though would be core. | Aug 04 02:11 |
| oiaohm | core/cool. | Aug 04 02:11 |
| MinceR | which is why nobody with a clue would put that "someone" in charge. | Aug 04 02:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: as I said to you binary logs on Unix/Linux/BSD is not new. | Aug 04 02:12 |
| oiaohm | journald developers though they would include it as a core feature. | Aug 04 02:12 |
| MinceR | yeah, if you take the truth, flip it inside out and mangle it really well, it seems like it's not new | Aug 04 02:12 |
| MinceR | that is, if you deliberately confuse syslog with utmp and wtmp | Aug 04 02:12 |
| MinceR | they're not the same thing. | Aug 04 02:12 |
| MinceR | and yeah, the journal developers are idiots. | Aug 04 02:13 |
| MinceR | s/al/ald/ | Aug 04 02:13 |
| MinceR | i don't see anything in http://debian-br.sourceforge.net/txt/alien.html that sufficiently motivated moles couldn't ignore. | Aug 04 02:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-debian-br.sourceforge.net | A comparison of the deb, rpm, tgz, and slp package formats. [ http://ur1.ca/6kp8 ] | Aug 04 02:13 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: syslog-ng before systemd existed supported using completely binary syslogs. | Aug 04 02:13 |
| MinceR | that's great for them, i guess | Aug 04 02:14 |
| MinceR | still, it didn't force anyone to use syslog-ng. | Aug 04 02:14 |
| MinceR | nor did it force anyone to pass their logs through syslog-ng. | Aug 04 02:14 |
| oiaohm | What was redhat default syslog. syslog-ng | Aug 04 02:14 |
| MinceR | who cares? nobody with a clue used redhat. | Aug 04 02:14 |
| oiaohm | Where did the developer of journald come from. | Aug 04 02:14 |
| MinceR | yum is still an unreliable mess, and most likely so's dnf. | Aug 04 02:14 |
| MinceR | hell? | Aug 04 02:14 |
| oiaohm | syslog-ng | Aug 04 02:14 |
| MinceR | microsoft? | Aug 04 02:14 |
| MinceR | the nsa? | Aug 04 02:14 |
| oiaohm | and redhat. | Aug 04 02:15 |
| oiaohm | Fairly much the issue of binary logging was ingnored before journal.d | Aug 04 02:15 |
| MinceR | strange, i thought the syslog-ng developers didn't have shit for brains | Aug 04 02:15 |
| oiaohm | As long as you could turn it off it was classed acceptable. | Aug 04 02:15 |
| MinceR | i guess life is just full of disappointments like that. | Aug 04 02:15 |
| MinceR | well yeah, "option" is a dirty word now | Aug 04 02:16 |
| MinceR | emperor lennart decides all your settings now | Aug 04 02:16 |
| oiaohm | journald does have binary logging off option. | Aug 04 02:16 |
| oiaohm | Only difference between journald and syslog-ng. | Aug 04 02:17 |
| MinceR | last time i checked all it had was the option to shit its logs into another syslogd | Aug 04 02:17 |
| MinceR | after thoroughly mangling them | Aug 04 02:17 |
| MinceR | that was the cancerd cult's excuse. | Aug 04 02:17 |
| oiaohm | is the journald is binary logging on by default and syslog-ng is binary login off by default. | Aug 04 02:17 |
| oiaohm | Both feature wise contain the same kind of crap. | Aug 04 02:17 |
| MinceR | i even seem to recall some bullshit from poettering about how it's impossible to do something systemd does with text logs | Aug 04 02:17 |
| oiaohm | syslog-ng can compact your complete logging directory into 1 file. | Aug 04 02:17 |
| MinceR | i can compact your complete logging directory into 1 file regardless of your logging daemon. | Aug 04 02:18 |
| MinceR | this isn't exactly rocket surgery | Aug 04 02:18 |
| oiaohm | written in a binary logging format. | Aug 04 02:18 |
| MinceR | mount -t ext3 bullshit.img /var/log/ | Aug 04 02:18 |
| MinceR | look, magic! | Aug 04 02:18 |
| oiaohm | No | Aug 04 02:18 |
| oiaohm | not like that. | Aug 04 02:18 |
| MinceR | oops, forgot -o loop | Aug 04 02:18 |
| oiaohm | No filesystem tricks MinceR | Aug 04 02:18 |
| MinceR | tar cjvvf bullshit.tar.bz2 /var/log/ | Aug 04 02:19 |
| oiaohm | Nop | Aug 04 02:19 |
| MinceR | yeah, no filesystem tricks needed | Aug 04 02:19 |
| oiaohm | not tar | Aug 04 02:19 |
| MinceR | cpio? | Aug 04 02:19 |
| oiaohm | No worse. | Aug 04 02:19 |
| MinceR | ar? | Aug 04 02:19 |
| oiaohm | sql database | Aug 04 02:19 |
| MinceR | ooh, now we're talking | Aug 04 02:19 |
| MinceR | oracle? m$sql? | Aug 04 02:19 |
| MinceR | m$ access? | Aug 04 02:20 |
| oiaohm | one option is sqllite | Aug 04 02:20 |
| oiaohm | Gess how that ends up. | Aug 04 02:20 |
| MinceR | but that's clearly not broken or evil enough | Aug 04 02:20 |
| MinceR | also, not expensive enough | Aug 04 02:20 |
| MinceR | my guess is that a sudden power outage means you can kiss your logs goodbye. | Aug 04 02:21 |
| oiaohm | Yep more way more insured than using journald binary logging. | Aug 04 02:22 |
| oiaohm | Yes journald binary logging is evil. But if you mess around with existing syslog deamon options there is worse. | Aug 04 02:23 |
| MinceR | optional evil can't be as bad as evil that's foisted on you. | Aug 04 02:24 |
| MinceR | especially of said optional evil isn't even the default. | Aug 04 02:25 |
| MinceR | s/of/if/ | Aug 04 02:25 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: http://blog.julien.cayzac.name/2008/03/using-sqlite-backend-for-syslogd.html | Aug 04 02:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.julien.cayzac.name | Using a sqlite backend for syslogd [ http://ur1.ca/ncil1 ] | Aug 04 02:26 | |
| oiaohm | This is 2008 MinceR | Aug 04 02:26 |
| MinceR | and it's not forced on you | Aug 04 02:26 |
| MinceR | you don't even have to like it | Aug 04 02:26 |
| MinceR | but if you dare say something bad about journald, the thought police comes for you | Aug 04 02:27 |
| oiaohm | Did you not notice there lack of consistancy. So you have like 5 admins setting up 5 different servers todo binary forms of Logging and they could all be completley incompadible with each other. | Aug 04 02:29 |
| oiaohm | There are reasons behind what journald has done. Could journald done it way better hell yes. | Aug 04 02:29 |
| MinceR | > By the time the change and the GR happened it was already too late for Debian... things were already evidently quite sick in Debian when gnome3 was made the default desktop for Wheezy. The reality was most sysadmin types stuck with Debian because it was less polluted then most other distrobutions and still allowed reasonable control over what software and daemons were installed. | Aug 04 02:30 |
| MinceR | > I did read a little while back a commentary that blamed the shift on vocal minority factions coming in and a tendancy for those vocal minorities to be the ones most oft seen and heard, and thus they gained a following because they were seen as being bright lights and visionaries and where charismatic so they won over hearts and minds of the geeky peers who liked their ears to be tickled and thought that they were doing great things for | Aug 04 02:30 |
| MinceR | > "social justice" and ushering the "year of the linux desktop". Sadly it was a fad, a political maneuvering, a duplicity that has taken a Distrobution once driven by passionate sys-admins and old school unix users and handed it to the new generation of developers and short sighted pragmatists, who valued prettiness over security and deterministic preciseness. | Aug 04 02:30 |
| MinceR | > Debian had already fallen long before systemd was set as the default init system. | Aug 04 02:30 |
| MinceR | yeah, how dare people in charge of administrating a system make decisions of their own? | Aug 04 02:31 |
| MinceR | everyone should be remotely controlled by redcrap | Aug 04 02:31 |
| oiaohm | It become a problem when working in a teams managing servers MinceR | Aug 04 02:31 |
| MinceR | so we can finally be united in a global and perfectly fascist empire! | Aug 04 02:31 |
| oiaohm | Everyone need to be on the same page. | Aug 04 02:31 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: and forcing shit on people is the only way to do that? | Aug 04 02:31 |
| oiaohm | Of course keeping the custom options would have been good. | Aug 04 02:32 |
| oiaohm | Providing a defined option that you could choose to use was required as well. | Aug 04 02:32 |
| MinceR | why not just hand root access to poettering and be guests on computers you're supposed to own? | Aug 04 02:32 |
| MinceR | or just hand it over directly to the nsa. | Aug 04 02:32 |
| oiaohm | You got to accept that poettering and others were trying to solve a set of problems. | Aug 04 02:32 |
| oiaohm | Just they have not done it very well. | Aug 04 02:33 |
| MinceR | this sort of idiotic, fascistic thinking is what is turning the world into an even worse hell nowadays. | Aug 04 02:33 |
| oiaohm | if they had done it well do you think I would be looking at openrc | Aug 04 02:33 |
| MinceR | this is what led to systemd, kdbus, uefi, intel boot guard, treacherous computing, DRM, crApple-style 'app store' models | Aug 04 02:33 |
| MinceR | this is what led to the clipper chip | Aug 04 02:33 |
| MinceR | this is what led to total global surveillance | Aug 04 02:33 |
| oiaohm | bios level rootkits existed before systemd. | Aug 04 02:34 |
| MinceR | in your blind, unthinking quest for perfect conformity, you've given up all your rights and freedoms. | Aug 04 02:34 |
| oiaohm | I understand to have freedom I will need the complete source of the system I am using. | Aug 04 02:34 |
| oiaohm | There are so many places to place a backdoor in existing systems it not funny. | Aug 04 02:35 |
| MinceR | yet you defend an undocumented hairball. | Aug 04 02:35 |
| MinceR | systemd is the best place for backdoors until the nsa manages to take over the kernel | Aug 04 02:35 |
| MinceR | (probably via kdbus) | Aug 04 02:35 |
| oiaohm | That is the funny thing when I went to see if systemd was undocumented I found it has a huge ammount of documentation. | Aug 04 02:35 |
| oiaohm | Systemd is more documented than the Linux kernel. | Aug 04 02:36 |
| oiaohm | In fact on operation is more documented than most sysvinit solutions distrobutions used. | Aug 04 02:36 |
| MinceR | you must have been looking at a different source code than i was. | Aug 04 02:37 |
| MinceR | i guess they have a secret copy with comments in it that they only show to the initiated. | Aug 04 02:37 |
| oiaohm | I went looking for documentation not the source code. | Aug 04 02:37 |
| MinceR | yeah, it's not like you can or should document the code itself | Aug 04 02:37 |
| oiaohm | I will say the source code comments in systemd need a lot better quality. | Aug 04 02:37 |
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| MinceR | anything between /* and */ is just line noise in c code. | Aug 04 02:37 |
| oiaohm | But so do the source code comments in the Linux kernel. | Aug 04 02:37 |
| MinceR | also, i wonder what's in the Documentation/ directory in the kernel sources | Aug 04 02:38 |
| MinceR | the name isn't ringing a bell... | Aug 04 02:38 |
| MinceR | somehow, it evades me. | Aug 04 02:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: most of the documetentation in the Documentation directory in the Linux kernel is not inline with the source version. | Aug 04 02:38 |
| oiaohm | That is something where the systemd documentation is ahead. | Aug 04 02:39 |
| oiaohm | FOSS project and poor documentation is unfortantly not new. | Aug 04 02:39 |
| MinceR | well that's fine, if someone did something wrong somewhere, systemd must copy it. | Aug 04 02:40 |
| MinceR | just like the hungarian "constitution" written by the nazis | Aug 04 02:40 |
| MinceR | (at least they claimed that every stupid thing was copied from some other constitution somewhere) | Aug 04 02:40 |
| oiaohm | Most constitution documents contain fragement from others. | Aug 04 02:41 |
| oiaohm | Mostly not great. | Aug 04 02:41 |
| oiaohm | You have to remember Linux kernel started off as a project to make a cheap posix os. | Aug 04 02:42 |
| oiaohm | Linux world copying others is not new either. | Aug 04 02:42 |
| MinceR | yeah, but it used to be much better | Aug 04 02:42 |
| MinceR | they used to copy good ideas from unix | Aug 04 02:43 |
| oiaohm | Not always better | Aug 04 02:43 |
| MinceR | now they copy bad ideas from windows | Aug 04 02:43 |
| oiaohm | They also copied some of the bad ideas from bad unix instead of following bsd | Aug 04 02:43 |
| MinceR | gnu/linux used to be mostly reliable, except for broken drivers | Aug 04 02:43 |
| oiaohm | Like using PID to track processes instead of TTY | Aug 04 02:43 |
| MinceR | now we have stuff like udisks2 mysteriously dying with the documentation saying nothing about how to fix that. | Aug 04 02:43 |
| MinceR | and systemd adds even more mysterious bugs. | Aug 04 02:43 |
| MinceR | yeah, you keep harping about PID files | Aug 04 02:44 |
| MinceR | yet i have yet to see any issue from that. | Aug 04 02:44 |
| oiaohm | udisks2 issues I will give you are hard to debug. | Aug 04 02:44 |
| MinceR | especially since the man page says it will be started when needed | Aug 04 02:45 |
| MinceR | which is a lie. | Aug 04 02:45 |
| MinceR | we also have networkmanager, which is also an unreliable piece of shit | Aug 04 02:46 |
| oiaohm | What is the commonality here. | Aug 04 02:46 |
| oiaohm | What is meant to start udisk2 on demard. | Aug 04 02:46 |
| MinceR | nautilus or something nautilus uses | Aug 04 02:47 |
| oiaohm | There is one part you need to be looking at with very much evil MinceR | Aug 04 02:47 |
| oiaohm | Most of the current failures you follow them back to dbus server issues. | Aug 04 02:48 |
| MinceR | of course. | Aug 04 02:48 |
| oiaohm | That is becaise dbus was designed around the wrong idea of sending data between processes in ways kernel cannot assist with. | Aug 04 02:48 |
| MinceR | dbus was designed by a windows fanboy | Aug 04 02:49 |
| MinceR | it is not meant to be restarted, you're supposed to reboot | Aug 04 02:49 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: kinda true. | Aug 04 02:49 |
| MinceR | such crap doesn't belong on a server or a workstation. | Aug 04 02:49 |
| MinceR | back in the day gnu/linux wasn't built on toys like dbus. | Aug 04 02:49 |
| oiaohm | Before dbus there were hald issues. | Aug 04 02:50 |
| oiaohm | and sound servers fighting with each other. | Aug 04 02:50 |
| oiaohm | Applications for different graphical envornments not working with each other. | Aug 04 02:50 |
| MinceR | i didn't have issues with sound servers before pulseaudio reared its ugly head | Aug 04 02:51 |
| oiaohm | I had esound and artsd cat fight. | Aug 04 02:51 |
| MinceR | but that was probably because my sound card driver did hardware mixing of stuff sent to /dev/dsp | Aug 04 02:51 |
| oiaohm | before pulseaudio | Aug 04 02:51 |
| oiaohm | Since I run a mix of kde and gnome applications. | Aug 04 02:51 |
| MinceR | i did that too | Aug 04 02:52 |
| oiaohm | So one application would want esound and one would want artsd | Aug 04 02:52 |
| oiaohm | So then they would nicely fail. | Aug 04 02:52 |
| MinceR | most applications didn't want either if you set them up to stay quiet | Aug 04 02:52 |
| MinceR | i had no need for silly sound effects | Aug 04 02:52 |
| oiaohm | I was using different tools to do audio work at the time MinceR | Aug 04 02:53 |
| MinceR | i didn't do much audio work | Aug 04 02:53 |
| oiaohm | So I suffered where you did not MinceR | Aug 04 02:53 |
| oiaohm | The Linux would has not been great. | Aug 04 02:54 |
| oiaohm | Broken dbus is not helpping. | Aug 04 02:54 |
| oiaohm | We need something like dbus that works. | Aug 04 02:54 |
| oiaohm | And that everyone agrees to use. | Aug 04 02:54 |
| MinceR | that last bit won't happen | Aug 04 02:54 |
| MinceR | redcrap will insist on forcing some broken crap on everyone | Aug 04 02:55 |
| MinceR | be it dbus, kdbus or some other piece of shit they come up with | Aug 04 02:55 |
| MinceR | (and most likely build into the kernel or into systemd, or both) | Aug 04 02:55 |
| oiaohm | kdbus going up against kernel developers will see it way more audited than dbus ever was. | Aug 04 02:55 |
| MinceR | if that enormous tumor can be audited at all, that is | Aug 04 02:56 |
| MinceR | and it's kind of pointless anyway, since that obviously doesn't belong in the kernel | Aug 04 02:56 |
| oiaohm | So I see kdbus as best chance of some decent. Like linus demarding that for speed compared dbus has to be fixed. | Aug 04 02:56 |
| MinceR | if it goes in, something has already gone wrong. | Aug 04 02:56 |
| oiaohm | So kdbus even if kdbus fails to be included in the Linux kernel the down force from it will see default dbus improve. | Aug 04 02:56 |
| MinceR | i haven't heard of dbus being improved at all after Linus profiled it and told them to fix their shit | Aug 04 02:57 |
| MinceR | like spoiled children, they keep on forcing kdbus | Aug 04 02:57 |
| MinceR | http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1506.2/03764.html | Aug 04 02:57 |
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| oiaohm | If you look a dbus source tree there have been many patches since linux told them to fix their shit. | Aug 04 02:57 |
| MinceR | "kdbus support is no longer compile-time optional" | Aug 04 02:57 |
| MinceR | this attitude has to die | Aug 04 02:58 |
| MinceR | if it doesn't, the kernel will. | Aug 04 02:58 |
| oiaohm | That is not new. | Aug 04 02:58 |
| oiaohm | like kdm probing for 8 different login solutions without switches. | Aug 04 02:58 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter how old it is, it's extremely toxic. | Aug 04 02:58 |
| oiaohm | We are dealing with the desktop envornment developers here. | Aug 04 02:59 |
| MinceR | as usual, redcrap is abusing their leverage. | Aug 04 02:59 |
| oiaohm | Way of doing things. | Aug 04 02:59 |
| MinceR | and not only that, they're forcing the api to be set in stone. | Aug 04 02:59 |
| oiaohm | Make it not optional and probe for it at runtime. | Aug 04 02:59 |
| MinceR | so it can't be fixed now. | Aug 04 02:59 |
| MinceR | redcrap management must be made to understand that the linux project is not their corporate garbage dump | Aug 04 03:00 |
| MinceR | otherwise it will be their corporate garbage dump | Aug 04 03:00 |
| MinceR | and before you know it, it will be another windows nt kernel. | Aug 04 03:00 |
| MinceR | these retards think of "throw it into the kernel!" as item number one when it comes to performance issues. | Aug 04 03:00 |
| MinceR | just like the retards at microsoft. | Aug 04 03:01 |
| oiaohm | Yet you use performance issues in Linux kernel world benchmarks done properly are required. | Aug 04 03:01 |
| oiaohm | And if that shows other issues you are ordered to fix those first. | Aug 04 03:01 |
| MinceR | or the kernel will have to be forked, but that would need enough developers to keep the project alive | Aug 04 03:01 |
| MinceR | otherwise we might as well move to netbsd and openbsd. | Aug 04 03:01 |
| oiaohm | Really its been good they have attempted to go into the Linux kernel. | Aug 04 03:02 |
| oiaohm | it triggered back presure. | Aug 04 03:02 |
| MinceR | redcrap did not do benchmarks properly. | Aug 04 03:02 |
| oiaohm | Yep and the Linux kernel developers called them out on it. | Aug 04 03:02 |
| MinceR | and if they have to have Linus tell them how to do software engineering, then there's no hope they'll do software engineering properly | Aug 04 03:02 |
| oiaohm | I don't see kdbus process as a bad thing. | Aug 04 03:02 |
| MinceR | they should find a career they can do well at | Aug 04 03:02 |
| MinceR | they could try becoming biofuel, for example. | Aug 04 03:02 |
| MinceR | that doesn't need a level of mental acuity they clearly don't have | Aug 04 03:03 |
| oiaohm | dbus need to run into some group who would say no. | Aug 04 03:03 |
| MinceR | i think the kdbus "process" shows that the redcrap people are utterly retarded and have absolutely no clue about software engineering | Aug 04 03:03 |
| MinceR | then again, we've seen that in systemd too | Aug 04 03:03 |
| oiaohm | Not all redhat personal are shit. | Aug 04 03:04 |
| MinceR | also, what the fuck are they thinking sending >512kB messages via dbus? | Aug 04 03:04 |
| oiaohm | the kdbus veto on performance test not being done proprerly was documented by a redhat developer to linus. | Aug 04 03:04 |
| MinceR | Linus isn't going to babysit them and hold their hands through software engineering 101. | Aug 04 03:04 |
| oiaohm | Some redhat staff need to be kicked hard. | Aug 04 03:05 |
| MinceR | so does the management. | Aug 04 03:05 |
| oiaohm | Yep the ones who should be doing the kicking. | Aug 04 03:05 |
| oiaohm | Please not lump all of them in with that. MinceR | Aug 04 03:05 |
| oiaohm | Some of the staff at redhat are good. | Aug 04 03:06 |
| MinceR | the ones who think it's acceptable to turn against their userbase and the developers whose work they've profited off. | Aug 04 03:06 |
| MinceR | it seems the good ones have no power. | Aug 04 03:06 |
| oiaohm | They do have enough power they don't get fired or harmed for vetoing stuff on Linux mailing lists. | Aug 04 03:06 |
| oiaohm | But I would like to see them have more power. | Aug 04 03:07 |
| MinceR | that's obviously not enough. | Aug 04 03:07 |
| MinceR | how many distros have to be killed before the madmen are stopped? | Aug 04 03:07 |
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| oiaohm | For number of developers to maintain distrobutions vs number of distributions we have had a problem for a long time. | Aug 04 03:08 |
| oiaohm | There have been a lot of 1 developer distrobutions. | Aug 04 03:08 |
| MinceR | we have? | Aug 04 03:08 |
| MinceR | why does that hurt you? | Aug 04 03:08 |
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| oiaohm | so for those distrobutions to get secuirty updates MinceR | Aug 04 03:08 |
| MinceR | i know at least one (close to) 1 developer distro that's worth a million redcrap distros. | Aug 04 03:08 |
| MinceR | they'll still be more secure than the systemd/Linux distros. | Aug 04 03:09 |
| oiaohm | We have need the number of distrobutions to reduce. | Aug 04 03:09 |
| MinceR | we already have. | Aug 04 03:09 |
| oiaohm | So a distrobutions are like teams of 5 | Aug 04 03:09 |
| oiaohm | min | Aug 04 03:09 |
| MinceR | mageia, opensuse, arch, coreos, sles, ubuntu and debian are already as good as dead. | Aug 04 03:09 |
| MinceR | how many more need to die? | Aug 04 03:10 |
| oiaohm | debian is not dead. | Aug 04 03:10 |
| MinceR | yes it is. | Aug 04 03:10 |
| MinceR | it has already failed at all of the things it stood for. | Aug 04 03:10 |
| MinceR | it's not universal, it's not stable and it's not independent from redcrap. | Aug 04 03:10 |
| MinceR | debian gnu/hurd and debian gnu/kfreebsd are dead. | Aug 04 03:11 |
| MinceR | they dropped an architecture recently. | Aug 04 03:11 |
| MinceR | their governance is a joke. | Aug 04 03:11 |
| MinceR | their mailing lists are heavily censored. | Aug 04 03:11 |
| MinceR | and the gnome project has played with them like a marionette for a while now. | Aug 04 03:11 |
| oiaohm | The one architecture they dropped recently is the test hardware died. | Aug 04 03:12 |
| MinceR | maybe they should have asked redcrap for a replacement, then | Aug 04 03:12 |
| oiaohm | No point maintaining a branch you cannot test. | Aug 04 03:12 |
| MinceR | it's the least those toxic assholes could do. | Aug 04 03:12 |
| MinceR | that's interesting, redcrap, m$ and crApple happily release untested products | Aug 04 03:12 |
| MinceR | and debian happily ignored all experience with systemd and forced it on their users. | Aug 04 03:12 |
| MinceR | so it's not like they were doing anything with the results of the tests. | Aug 04 03:13 |
| MinceR | oh, i almost forgot | Aug 04 03:13 |
| MinceR | debian is also not free | Aug 04 03:13 |
| MinceR | the default gui install depends on mono | Aug 04 03:13 |
| MinceR | and it also depends on systemd. | Aug 04 03:13 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: have you not installed debain in default GUI install mode recnetly. | Aug 04 03:15 |
| MinceR | i have not | Aug 04 03:15 |
| MinceR | but they still insist on using gnome by default | Aug 04 03:15 |
| oiaohm | My my recent install of debian testing default GUI does not have mono installed. | Aug 04 03:15 |
| MinceR | because they've got to have the worst DE available | Aug 04 03:15 |
| oiaohm | Even that gnome is installed. | Aug 04 03:15 |
| MinceR | and tomboy is still a default gnome component | Aug 04 03:15 |
| MinceR | they almost caught a clue and switched to xfce twive | Aug 04 03:16 |
| MinceR | s/ive/ice/ | Aug 04 03:16 |
| MinceR | but no, they have to insist on shitty gnome | Aug 04 03:16 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: tomboy is optional in debian packages. | Aug 04 03:16 |
| MinceR | i don't use testing ot sid. | Aug 04 03:16 |
| MinceR | i use what they call "stable" | Aug 04 03:16 |
| oiaohm | AT least in testing | Aug 04 03:16 |
| MinceR | which was stable until jessie came out. | Aug 04 03:16 |
| MinceR | now it's just old. | Aug 04 03:16 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i know it's optional, but every time i tried apt/dpkg satisfied the dependency with tomboy, not gnote | Aug 04 03:17 |
| MinceR | and tomboy brought in mono. | Aug 04 03:17 |
| MinceR | which is baffling, for all the posturing about free software. | Aug 04 03:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I can tell in testing. | Aug 04 03:17 |
| oiaohm | both tomboy and gnote are optional. | Aug 04 03:17 |
| MinceR | one would think they'd avoid pushing their users into the m$ patent trap, but no | Aug 04 03:18 |
| oiaohm | in call cases. | Aug 04 03:18 |
| oiaohm | Because enough users complained about it MinceR | Aug 04 03:18 |
| MinceR | not soon enough. | Aug 04 03:18 |
| oiaohm | I have not checked the latest stable. | Aug 04 03:18 |
| oiaohm | I think that was backported. | Aug 04 03:18 |
| MinceR | their final stable (not "stable") release, wheezy, still has this problem. | Aug 04 03:18 |
| oiaohm | Ok so you were not to jessie | Aug 04 03:19 |
| MinceR | why would i? | Aug 04 03:20 |
| MinceR | the whole point of using debian was a stable os | Aug 04 03:20 |
| MinceR | not this unreliable winblows clone called systemd. | Aug 04 03:20 |
| MinceR | if i wanted an os that couldn't even boot reliably, i'd use reactos. | Aug 04 03:21 |
| MinceR | or windows. | Aug 04 03:21 |
| oiaohm | Its optional in jessie | Aug 04 03:21 |
| MinceR | oh, sure | Aug 04 03:21 |
| MinceR | if you don't mind being unable to install most of the packages in the repo | Aug 04 03:21 |
| MinceR | stuff like gimp and cups | Aug 04 03:21 |
| MinceR | who needs those, right? | Aug 04 03:22 |
| oiaohm | Not true. | Aug 04 03:23 |
| oiaohm | gimp and cups installs without mono. | Aug 04 03:23 |
| MinceR | oh, i thought you meant systemd was "optional" | Aug 04 03:23 |
| oiaohm | Sorry I missed you systemd stuff I was refering to tomboy. | Aug 04 03:23 |
| MinceR | yeah, i could get around the dependency on mono, but the point is i shouldn't have to | Aug 04 03:23 |
| oiaohm | even the last releases of wheezy switch tomboy and other mono applications back to optional. | Aug 04 03:24 |
| oiaohm | So that fault was fixed MinceR | Aug 04 03:24 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: but I do agree it should not have happened in the first place. | Aug 04 03:25 |
| MinceR | so what do they install by default? | Aug 04 03:25 |
| oiaohm | Using updated installers they don't. | Aug 04 03:25 |
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| oiaohm | They are no longer in the default task list packaged for the desktop MinceR | Aug 04 03:26 |
| oiaohm | Now you only get them if you have used an old version of that. | Aug 04 03:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: not all these problems last for ever. | Aug 04 03:26 |
| MinceR | yeah, once redcrap kills gnu/linux, these problems go away | Aug 04 03:26 |
| MinceR | especially if they also manage to kill *bsd. | Aug 04 03:27 |
| MinceR | haiku has already committed seppuku | Aug 04 03:27 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly sure of that. | Aug 04 03:27 |
| oiaohm | beos contained something a lot like systemd | Aug 04 03:27 |
| oiaohm | I want to see how haiku end up implementing it. | Aug 04 03:28 |
| MinceR | apparently they're going from a script taking care of boot to an opaque binary doing it | Aug 04 03:28 |
| oiaohm | beos used binary start not script. | Aug 04 03:29 |
| MinceR | shell scripts are apparently heresy in haiku too, not just on gnu/linux | Aug 04 03:29 |
| MinceR | haiku is not beos. | Aug 04 03:29 |
| oiaohm | haiku is a reimplementation of beos | Aug 04 03:29 |
| MinceR | i know | Aug 04 03:30 |
| oiaohm | beos service manager was good. | Aug 04 03:30 |
| oiaohm | Way better than windows or smf | Aug 04 03:30 |
| MinceR | coming from you, that hardly means anything | Aug 04 03:30 |
| oiaohm | Please note windows service manager I can find design flaws worse than anything. | Aug 04 03:31 |
| oiaohm | SMF from solarias its control interfaces are horible at times. | Aug 04 03:31 |
| MinceR | i'm sure with time systemd will adopt all of them. | Aug 04 03:31 |
| oiaohm | Some of Windows design flaws are impossible due to systemd using cgroups the way it does. | Aug 04 03:31 |
| oiaohm | So systemd will never adopt all the windows flaws. | Aug 04 03:32 |
| MinceR | i trust they'll find a way | Aug 04 03:32 |
| oiaohm | No | Aug 04 03:32 |
| oiaohm | systemd has already made some of it own unique. | Aug 04 03:32 |
| MinceR | they've shown remarkable capability when it comes to fucking up. | Aug 04 03:32 |
| oiaohm | History of systemd copying I would not say we have to worry about them taking the errors from Windows. | Aug 04 03:33 |
| MinceR | it's a pity they're not interested in doing anythng else | Aug 04 03:33 |
| oiaohm | We have to worry about them taking stuff from Linux desktop envornments that are not properly audited and 100 percent depending on it. | Aug 04 03:33 |
| oiaohm | Ie DBUS to start off with. | Aug 04 03:33 |
| oiaohm | Basically you have the idea that systemd disater is coming from copying Windows. | Aug 04 03:35 |
| oiaohm | Most of systemd disaster comes from copying solaris.... Yet not making sure everything has solid foundations. | Aug 04 03:36 |
| MinceR | yet slowlaris doesn't do service management as pid1, it uses plain old init | Aug 04 03:37 |
| oiaohm | Like how many recent pulseaudio screw ups is that it depends on dbus to work so when it failed it end up loading twice. | Aug 04 03:37 |
| MinceR | i don't know if slowlaris does something like journald | Aug 04 03:37 |
| MinceR | or logind | Aug 04 03:37 |
| oiaohm | SMF starts in PID1 | Aug 04 03:37 |
| MinceR | that's not what i saw | Aug 04 03:37 |
| oiaohm | Depends on what version solaris MinceR | Aug 04 03:37 |
| MinceR | i saw an inittab instructing init to start and respawn SMF | Aug 04 03:37 |
| oiaohm | You can script start solaris. | Aug 04 03:37 |
| oiaohm | Or SMF start solaris. | Aug 04 03:38 |
| MinceR | so slowlaris went and fucked this up? | Aug 04 03:38 |
| oiaohm | SMF also contains a login manager. | Aug 04 03:38 |
| oiaohm | Yep solaris was first to do init and login manager as one solution. | Aug 04 03:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: windows does not even do that. | Aug 04 03:39 |
| oiaohm | This is my problem with you go systemd copying windows. That does not add up things they have copied are not from Windows. | Aug 04 03:39 |
| MinceR | does slowlaris also have binary logging? | Aug 04 03:42 |
| oiaohm | as option yes | Aug 04 03:42 |
| oiaohm | on by default in hardered solarias | Aug 04 03:42 |
| oiaohm | The perfect list of features is hardered solaris. | Aug 04 03:42 |
| oiaohm | SMF uses one of solaris own IPC in kernel. | Aug 04 03:43 |
| oiaohm | Yet systemd attempted to get by with a userspace IPC. | Aug 04 03:44 |
| MinceR | lol, "hardened" | Aug 04 03:44 |
| MinceR | no wonder slowlaris has a bad reputation | Aug 04 03:44 |
| oiaohm | But hardered solaris feature list is placed on governement supply contracts. | Aug 04 03:45 |
| oiaohm | I can see where redhat is coming from. | Aug 04 03:46 |
| oiaohm | They want to win more contracts. | Aug 04 03:46 |
| oiaohm | This is pushing some stupidity our direction. | Aug 04 03:46 |
| MinceR | then they should make the stuff the idiots in the government want | Aug 04 03:48 |
| MinceR | instead of killing other distros | Aug 04 03:48 |
| MinceR | and instead of poisoning gnu and linux | Aug 04 03:48 |
| MinceR | they should fork linux if they don't like its design | Aug 04 03:49 |
| MinceR | then they could put kdbus and whatever else in systemd-kernel | Aug 04 03:49 |
| MinceR | but no, they have to poison the well | Aug 04 03:49 |
| MinceR | they have to try and kill every free unix they have leverage on | Aug 04 03:49 |
| oiaohm | Now you are complain the right way. | Aug 04 03:50 |
| oiaohm | You had your complete base of source of problem wrong. | Aug 04 03:51 |
| oiaohm | But the problem you have here is what governements use they have a habit of insisting there citizens and companies use. | Aug 04 03:52 |
| oiaohm | Yes they have todo what government wants to a point. But we need it to be quality workman ship not slipshot like systemd has been and worrying about fixing up the issues latter. | Aug 04 03:53 |
| MinceR | the government doesn't want quality worksmanship | Aug 04 03:53 |
| MinceR | they want shitty systemd they can easily break into | Aug 04 03:53 |
| MinceR | they never think about the security of their own systems | Aug 04 03:54 |
| MinceR | they especially never think about the security of their own citizens | Aug 04 03:54 |
| MinceR | the nsa does jack shit to protect their own citizens | Aug 04 03:54 |
| MinceR | all they ever do is destroy | Aug 04 03:54 |
| oiaohm | Not me to a point. | Aug 04 03:55 |
| oiaohm | We need higher standards than what the government will ask for. | Aug 04 03:55 |
| MinceR | we do | Aug 04 03:55 |
| MinceR | redcrap won't ever. | Aug 04 03:55 |
| oiaohm | But we need to still do enough that the governement is use a form of our solution so we don't have compadilbity problems. | Aug 04 03:55 |
| MinceR | hackers making stuff for their own use do have high standards | Aug 04 03:56 |
| MinceR | that's what free software was built on | Aug 04 03:56 |
| MinceR | now it's being taken over by a company that doesn't care | Aug 04 03:56 |
| oiaohm | Its not a simple balancing act. | Aug 04 03:56 |
| MinceR | all they care about is appeasing their clients and especially a government that wants our systems to be broken. | Aug 04 03:56 |
| oiaohm | So we need more of redhat clients to ask for quality. | Aug 04 03:57 |
| oiaohm | To put presure on them. | Aug 04 03:57 |
| MinceR | we can't | Aug 04 03:57 |
| MinceR | corporate clients don't want quality, they love their m$ and crApple garbage | Aug 04 03:57 |
| oiaohm | And we need to not be a shot gun in our error complaints. | Aug 04 03:57 |
| MinceR | most customers are morons with no brains but lots of money | Aug 04 03:57 |
| oiaohm | like how many idividual faults track back to dbus. | Aug 04 03:57 |
| MinceR | that's why the IT industry is in its current state | Aug 04 03:57 |
| MinceR | that's why our mobile devices are shit | Aug 04 03:57 |
| oiaohm | Yet people talk about them as individual faults. | Aug 04 03:57 |
| MinceR | that's why the general purpose computer is dying out | Aug 04 03:58 |
| MinceR | that's why soon we'll have IoT devices acting as spam/DDoS zombies | Aug 04 03:58 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Manjaro Community Proudly Presents The Release | Aug 04 06:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of Manjaro Linux 0.8.13.1 i3 Edition | Aug 04 06:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/i0v9zenOnX (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 06:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Manjaro Community Proudly Presents The Release of Manjaro Linux 0.8.13.1 i3 Edition | Tux Machines | Aug 04 06:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.10.85 LTS Brings Refinements to | Aug 04 06:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | EXT4, Btrfs, ARM, and XFS, Updated Drivers | Aug 04 06:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/1grYZcwztv (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 06:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel 3.10.85 LTS Brings Refinements to EXT4, Btrfs, ARM, and XFS, Updated Drivers | Tux Machines | Aug 04 06:08 | |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJxSP3LC9BA | Aug 04 06:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Little Nicky - Chicago played backwards - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nckbp ] | Aug 04 06:37 | |
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| schestowitz | "The silence at SUEPO is probably related to the summer holiday break in Munich (schools closed and people gone away on vacation etc.). So we guess that things are likely to be relatively quiet until September." | Aug 04 07:26 |
| schestowitz | -source | Aug 04 07:26 |
| schestowitz | "As far as we know, none of your sources have been compromised and we haven't heard anyone complaining about TechRights (apart from EPO management that is)." | Aug 04 07:26 |
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| *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell | Aug 04 09:40 | |
| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Aug 04 09:40 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Review of Ubuntu Phone – A Work Still Under | Aug 04 09:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Progress | Aug 04 09:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/9yrcmr0VyA (www.mobilemag.com) | Aug 04 09:53 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @Cipherhouse retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Review of Ubuntu Phone – A Work Still...' | Aug 04 09:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Stable kernel updates http://t.co/qI9NXYUj59 | Aug 04 09:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (lwn.net) http://t.co/pFmjUEFG4m | Aug 04 09:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) http://t.co/JNrAIhUpfo | Aug 04 09:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://mobilemag.com/2015/08/04/review-of-ubuntu-phone-a-work-still-under-progress/ ) | Aug 04 09:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lwn.net | Stable kernel updates [LWN.net] | Aug 04 09:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 3.14.49 LTS Has ARM64 and EXT4 Improvements, Many Updated Drivers - Softpedia | Aug 04 09:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 3.10.85 LTS Brings Refinements to EXT4, Btrfs, ARM, and XFS, Updated Drivers - Softpedia | Aug 04 09:54 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.engadget.com/2015/08/04/acer-aspire-one-cloudbook/ | Aug 04 10:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com | Acer Aspire One Cloudbook gives you a full Windows laptop for $169 [ http://ur1.ca/nclq8 ] | Aug 04 10:09 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @fatimahkabba favourited 'Stable kernel updates http://t.co/qI9NXYUj59 http://t.co/pFmjUEFG4m http://t.co/JNrAIhUpfo' | Aug 04 10:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AH Primetime: Bloatware? Android Fights Back | Aug 04 10:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | With Motorola | Aug 04 10:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/G8RiNMBFwe | Aug 04 10:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidheadlines.com | AH Primetime: Bloatware? Android Fights Back With Motorola | Androidheadlines.com | Aug 04 10:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.androidheadlines.com) | Aug 04 10:24 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines red hat CEO props up "cloud computing" | Aug 04 10:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/zWn5lQyjSE | Aug 04 10:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (upstart.bizjournals.com) | Aug 04 10:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-upstart.bizjournals.com | For Raleigh’s largest public company, Red Hat, future growth hangs in the cloud | Aug 04 10:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/cIHv4HWYJW (wraltechwire.com) | Aug 04 10:25 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wraltechwire.com | Red Hat's Whitehurst takes stage Aug 27; more regional events fill tech calendar :: Editor's Blog at WRAL TechWire | Aug 04 10:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Yesterday and Today in Techrights | Aug 04 10:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/q2PIgiycTY (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 10:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Yesterday and Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Aug 04 10:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "I'm giving a short update on how my works on | Aug 04 10:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Getting Things GNOME! have been progressing | Aug 04 10:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | recently." http://t.co/UoKC9kcOMj | Aug 04 10:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.jakubbrindza.com) | Aug 04 10:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jakubbrindza.com | How I am Getting Things GNOME!: More tests, locale, and timezones. Last week in a nutshell. | Aug 04 10:36 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Best new widgets for Android (August 2015) | Aug 04 10:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Vu8ivL5xXj (www.phonearena.com) | Aug 04 10:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phonearena.com | Best new widgets for Android (August 2015) | Aug 04 10:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Parrot says you won’t be able to buy its new | Aug 04 10:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android Auto system as aftermarket product | Aug 04 10:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | after all http://t.co/NFDJXkGJ91 | Aug 04 10:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-9to5google.com | Parrot says you won’t be able to buy its new Android Auto system as aftermarket product after all | 9to5Google | Aug 04 10:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (9to5google.com) | Aug 04 10:36 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6424230 | Aug 04 10:40 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 04 10:40 |
| schestowitz | I can´t believe it. | Aug 04 10:40 |
| schestowitz | really? | Aug 04 10:40 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 04 10:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #vista10 not even a 'free' 'upgrade'... if you upgrade http://imgur.com/gallery/8OJ4t | Aug 04 10:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> imgur.com | Microsoft 10 will not permit re-installation if any hardware changes - Album on Imgur | Aug 04 10:40 | |
| schestowitz | Seems so. http://techrights.org/2015/08/04/cannot-upgrade-windows-10/ | Aug 04 10:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Admits Vista 10 Not a ‘Free’ ‘Upgrade’, Especially If You Upgrade | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/ncm0b ] | Aug 04 10:41 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, You can change hardware. | Aug 04 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | If the base OS license (the one you upgraded over) was OEM, you can re-install Windows 10 and activate it unless you change the motherboard. | Aug 04 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | Changing other hardware usually doesn't upset anything. If it does, you can re-activate it. | Aug 04 10:53 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: depends on country. | Aug 04 10:53 |
| DaemonFC | You call an 800 number and read some numbers and letters, and then it gives you some to type in, and then Windows will activate itself again. | Aug 04 10:53 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: EULA of OEM does not have to allow you to change motherboard. | Aug 04 10:53 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I had a motherboard fail when I was using Windows 8.1. | Aug 04 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | I swapped the motherboard and it still re-activated. | Aug 04 10:54 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Note my words depends on country. | Aug 04 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | The license says that they don't have to, but it seems like they allow it. | Aug 04 10:54 |
| oiaohm | Its the countries laws if they allow it or not. | Aug 04 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | I'm in the United States. | Aug 04 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | The same thing happened to my dad on XP once. | Aug 04 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | It re-activated, even though it was a different motherboard. | Aug 04 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | Although, the automated system refused, he talked to a support agent at Microsoft and they gave him a re-activation code. | Aug 04 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | It seems like they're pretty lenient in practice. | Aug 04 10:57 |
| oiaohm | Have to be DaemonFC | Aug 04 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | The activation system is just there to discourage casual copying. | Aug 04 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | It only enforces the EULA that you already agreed to. | Aug 04 10:57 |
| oiaohm | USA laws don't allow hardware binding. | Aug 04 10:57 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/deusexstigma/status/628503553124896768 | Aug 04 10:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@deusexstigma: @schestowitz so many ads in my feed..I just troll em | Aug 04 10:57 | |
| oiaohm | When it was tested in court DaemonFC | Aug 04 10:57 |
| schestowitz | still waste of time, ups their "engagement" score | Aug 04 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | People used to buy one copy of Windows and install it on every computer in the house. That sort of thing. | Aug 04 10:57 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: same issue in Australia. | Aug 04 10:57 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/JDB10101/status/628504237694058496 | Aug 04 10:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JDB10101: @schestowitz Microsoft ... Bizes like Greedy One Percent GOP oligarch$ have been buying trends/laws for decades, it is marketing. #GOP #DNC | Aug 04 10:58 | |
| oiaohm | But not all people globally are that lucky DaemonFC | Aug 04 10:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android M news: Release date delayed, to come | Aug 04 10:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | out in September or October? | Aug 04 10:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/5bgSFt2liY (www.vinereport.com) | Aug 04 10:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncm5g | Aug 04 10:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vinereport.com | Android M news: Release date delayed, to come out in September or October? | Vine Reporter | Aug 04 10:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE donates surplus funds to open | Aug 04 10:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | source projects http://t.co/LLx8oX7hSG | Aug 04 10:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.linuxveda.com) | Aug 04 10:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxveda.com | Ubuntu MATE donates surplus funds to open source projects - Linux Veda | Aug 04 10:59 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nucleus Software and Red Hat collaborate to | Aug 04 10:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | help Non-Banking Finance Companies shape the | Aug 04 10:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Future of Lending in India | Aug 04 10:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/LwZrtiB1pE (www.bobsguide.com) | Aug 04 10:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bobsguide.com | Nucleus Software and Red Hat collaborate to help Non-Banking Finance Companies shape the Future of... - bobsguide.com | Aug 04 10:59 | |
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| DaemonFC | The cheap Windows laptops are selling because Google crippled Chrome OS in certain ways. | Aug 04 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | Not being able to plug in a printer and print documents pisses me off. | Aug 04 11:04 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/628507417396015104 | Aug 04 11:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @schestowitz for your amusement: https://t.co/S2TzRsUlFG | Aug 04 11:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techdirt.com | Microsoft Launches Special 'Scott McNealy' Edition Of Windows | Techdirt | Aug 04 11:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Reproducible builds: week 14 in Stretch cycle | Aug 04 11:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/cXHj1pO3Mr (people.debian.org) | Aug 04 11:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://people.debian.org/%7Elunar/blog/posts/reproducible_builds_stretch_week_14/ ) | Aug 04 11:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open-spec motor control kit runs Linux on Zynq | Aug 04 11:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | SoC http://t.co/x4PJyI9xwK (linuxgizmos.com) | Aug 04 11:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncm8n | Aug 04 11:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Open-spec motor control kit runs Linux on Zynq SoC · LinuxGizmos.com | Aug 04 11:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 4.1.4 LTS Released with Numerous | Aug 04 11:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Updated Drivers, ARM64 Improvements | Aug 04 11:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/M7yo44ux3d (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 04 11:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 4.1.4 LTS Released with Numerous Updated Drivers, ARM64 Improvements - Softpedia | Aug 04 11:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Lollipop (Android 5.0, 5.1) is now installed on | Aug 04 11:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 18.1% of Android devices http://t.co/D5xuXVz4LL | Aug 04 11:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phonearena.com) http://t.co/dPqolDTka1 | Aug 04 11:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phonearena.com | Lollipop (Android 5.0, 5.1) is now installed on 18.1% of Android devices | Aug 04 11:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-phandroid.com | Android versions for August 2015: Lollipop now at 18.1% | Aug 04 11:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (phandroid.com) | Aug 04 11:10 |
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| schestowitz | me: Funny you say that. Literally an hour ago I thought about exactly this same analogy, having written this http://techrights.org/2015/07/30/fud-from-mary-branscombe/ | Aug 04 11:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Making the Case for Koha: Why Libraries Should | Aug 04 11:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Consider an Open Source ILS | Aug 04 11:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/209nE5xPyP (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 11:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft’s Mouthpiece Mary Branscombe Tries to Shoot Down Free Software, But Fails Miserably | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nb2fg ] | Aug 04 11:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Making the Case for Koha: Why Libraries Should Consider an Open Source ILS | Tux Machines | Aug 04 11:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Canonical Publishes Impressive Roadmap for All | Aug 04 11:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of Their Ubuntu Products http://t.co/y1EsHMmwp9 | Aug 04 11:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 11:10 |
| schestowitz | Free like free puppy | Aug 04 11:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical Publishes Impressive Roadmap for All of Their Ubuntu Products | Tux Machines | Aug 04 11:10 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/628508692086956032 | Aug 04 11:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @schestowitz we're obviously hurtling back to 1999... | Aug 04 11:13 | |
| schestowitz | now it's a talking point against proprietary software with data suckage and back doors | Aug 04 11:13 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Yesterday and Today in Techrights | Aug 04 11:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/ibu8AXF7QQ (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 11:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Yesterday and Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Aug 04 11:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME Software Package Manager App Updated for | Aug 04 11:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GNOME 3.16 to Fix Multiple Bugs | Aug 04 11:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/wsXJ3vWdAL (linux.softpedia.com) | Aug 04 11:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | GNOME Software Package Manager App Updated for GNOME 3.16 to Fix Multiple Bugs - Softpedia | Aug 04 11:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GParted 0.23.0 Open Source Partition Editor | Aug 04 11:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Adds Support for Setting New Btrfs UUID | Aug 04 11:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/74RhrnkAmX (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 04 11:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | GParted 0.23.0 Open-Source Partition Editor Adds Support for Setting New Btrfs UUID - Softpedia | Aug 04 11:28 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/mrumens/status/628514541962309632 | Aug 04 11:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mrumens: @schestowitz @PeterPyke Doesn't really matter since Microsoft no longer services XP. Despite this, I still use it. | Aug 04 11:39 | |
| schestowitz | This puts you at great personal risk. Consider adopting #gnu #linux on the same (existing) PC. | Aug 04 11:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Manjaro Community Proudly Presents The Release | Aug 04 11:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of Manjaro Linux 0.8.13.1 i3 Edition | Aug 04 11:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/x6F1d9T5W8 (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 04 11:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Manjaro Community Proudly Presents the Release of Manjaro Linux 0.8.13.1 i3 Edition - Softpedia | Aug 04 11:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CUDA 7.0 enabled programs for Fedora 22 | Aug 04 11:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/x6bJcs93JB (negativo17.org) | Aug 04 11:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-negativo17.org | CUDA 7.0 enabled programs for Fedora 22 | negativo17 | Aug 04 11:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 5 Android games with amazing graphics and | Aug 04 11:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | visuals http://t.co/N6xYJJTJ8j | Aug 04 11:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phonearena.com) | Aug 04 11:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phonearena.com | 5 Android games with amazing graphics and visuals | Aug 04 11:41 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/aug/03/privacy-smartphones-battery-life | Aug 04 11:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | How your smartphone's battery life can be used to invade your privacy | Technology | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/nch2e ] | Aug 04 11:45 | |
| schestowitz | == | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/08/03/17-years-reporter-exposed-echelon-finds-vindication-snowden-archive/ | Aug 04 11:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-firstlook.org | After 27 Years, Reporter Who Exposed ECHELON Finds Vindication in Snowden Archive [ http://ur1.ca/ncbda ] | Aug 04 11:45 | |
| schestowitz | - | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | old: | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | 30.Calls on the Commission and Member States to | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | promote software projects whose source text is made | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | public (open-source software), as this is the only way | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | of guaranteeing that no backdoors are built into | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | programmes; | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | 31.Calls on the Commission to lay down a standard | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | for the level of security of e-mail software packages, | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | placing those packages whose source code has not been | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | made public in the "least reliable" category; | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | 32. Calls on the European institutions and the public | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | administrations of the Member States systematically to | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | encrypt e-mails, so that ultimately encryption becomes | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | the norm; | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | 33. Calls on the Community institutions and the public | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | administrations of the Member States to provide | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | training for their staff and make their staff familiar | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | with new encryption technologies and techniques by | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | means of the necessary practical training and courses; | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+REPORT+A5-2001-0264+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN | Aug 04 11:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.europarl.europa.eu | Report on the existence of a global system for the interception of private and commercial communications (ECHELON interception system) - Temporary Committee on the ECHELON Interception System - A5-0264/2001 [ http://ur1.ca/ncmhj ] | Aug 04 11:45 | |
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| msb__ | schestowitz: "<schestowitz> [Using Windows XP] puts you at great personal risk." How? | Aug 04 11:51 |
| msb__ | People point at him and laugh? Loses 20IQ points? | Aug 04 11:53 |
| msb__ | Opens up a chronosynclastic infundibulum and sucks him down? | Aug 04 11:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Sony launches Xperia M5 and C5 Ultra Android | Aug 04 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | smartphones, with focus on perfect selfies | Aug 04 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/2uGQbsjiCP (thenextweb.com) | Aug 04 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncml8 | Aug 04 12:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenextweb.com | Sony launches Xperia M5 and C5 Ultra Android smartphones, with focus on perfect selfies | Aug 04 12:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Thursday night reception for LPC | Aug 04 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/iyO6UDtaEc (linuxplumbersconf.org) | Aug 04 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Plumbers Conference. | Aug 04 12:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxplumbersconf.org | Thursday night reception for LPC – | Aug 04 12:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncml9 | Aug 04 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "These are the top 5 flagships with | Aug 04 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | quick-charging batteries." | Aug 04 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/da2K12chWB (www.phonearena.com) | Aug 04 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncmla | Aug 04 12:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phonearena.com | Zero to hero: 5 high-end Android smartphones with quick-charging batteries | Aug 04 12:00 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines DiRT Showdown Tested On Linux, Preview Port | Aug 04 12:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Report https://t.co/GYyGaHLa1B | Aug 04 12:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 04 12:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | DiRT Showdown Tested On Linux, Preview Port Report | GamingOnLinux | Aug 04 12:05 | |
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| DaemonFC | Color me shocked. | Aug 04 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft Edge's Flash Player screws up HBO Now. :P | Aug 04 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | Works fine in Chrome. | Aug 04 12:13 |
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| DaemonFC | Sprint wants me to buy a tablet computer from them. They say the 7" LG G Pad is "free" if I agree to get a data plan for two years. | Aug 04 12:24 |
| DaemonFC | The lowest data plan is $10 a month for 100 MB of mobile data. So, I could just use it on wifi, and it'd come out to $240 over two years. | Aug 04 12:24 |
| DaemonFC | Not sure if it's worth that much though. | Aug 04 12:24 |
| oiaohm | No way. | Aug 04 12:25 |
| oiaohm | 7 inch LG G pad I think is only 100 AUD. | Aug 04 12:25 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, I figured as much. | Aug 04 12:28 |
| DaemonFC | When Sprint says "free" it means make sure you still have your wallet. | Aug 04 12:28 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 04 12:28 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, they're hardly the worst about that. | Aug 04 12:28 |
| DaemonFC | For a long time, AT&T was slipping an extra $10 a month on every 4G LTE phone and calling it a "premium data surcharge". :) | Aug 04 12:29 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: no best price is 150 AUD | Aug 04 12:29 |
| oiaohm | So it a slightly more expensive one. | Aug 04 12:30 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, but that's Australian. | Aug 04 12:30 |
| oiaohm | Worst price is 589 | Aug 04 12:30 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.androidcentral.com/lg-g-pad-f-70-coming-sprint-customers-march-17-free-contract | Aug 04 12:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidcentral.com | LG G Pad F 7.0 coming to Sprint on March 17; free on contract | Android Central [ http://ur1.ca/ncmtf ] | Aug 04 12:30 | |
| oiaohm | Both of those prices are unlocked and planless | Aug 04 12:30 |
| DaemonFC | ", Sprint also says that it is running a limited promotion whereby customers can lease an LG G3 bundled with the tablet with unlimited talk, text, and 1GB of data for $90 per month." | Aug 04 12:31 |
| DaemonFC | Of course they are. The LG G3 isn't the current model. | Aug 04 12:31 |
| DaemonFC | Have to move those leftovers somehow. :) | Aug 04 12:31 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, Seems there's an older model. | Aug 04 12:32 |
| DaemonFC | The F7.0 has better specs. | Aug 04 12:33 |
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| DaemonFC | It wouldn't really be very useful. | Aug 04 12:35 |
| oiaohm | Depends on the G3 | Aug 04 12:36 |
| DaemonFC | I already have one of the best Android phones they make. | Aug 04 12:36 |
| oiaohm | Some G3 are more expensive than F70 | Aug 04 12:36 |
| DaemonFC | The tablet's screen is a little bigger, but the processor is slower, it has less RAM, the internal storage isn't great. | Aug 04 12:36 |
| oiaohm | The ones here are dual sim | Aug 04 12:36 |
| DaemonFC | Nah, Sprint wanted you to leave with the G3 and the F7.0 tablet. | Aug 04 12:36 |
| DaemonFC | Right now I'm on a Sprint Lease with the Galaxy S6. I don't have too many complaints about it. | Aug 04 12:37 |
| DaemonFC | It's fast. It's stable. It's packed with features. The battery life leaves a little to be desired, but it's not the worst on the market in that area. | Aug 04 12:37 |
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| DaemonFC | The flagship that chews through the battery the fastest this round is the iPhone 6. | Aug 04 12:38 |
| oiaohm | I guess the G3 duel sim is worthless on a sprint plan. | Aug 04 12:38 |
| DaemonFC | Probably to nobody's surprise. | Aug 04 12:38 |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC: normally I am a scavanger when it comes to phones. | Aug 04 12:39 |
| oiaohm | cyngonmod supporting phone a person does not want I take. | Aug 04 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, the S2 is really proving itself there. | Aug 04 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | You can run the latest CM on it, and it had a user replaceable battery. | Aug 04 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | Costs about $8 to swap the battery. | Aug 04 12:41 |
| DaemonFC | The newer phones have more bells and whistles though, obviously. | Aug 04 12:41 |
| DaemonFC | Faster processors, more RAM, better screen, wireless charging, wifi calling. | Aug 04 12:42 |
| DaemonFC | Tons of stuff. | Aug 04 12:42 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: With what I do I sometimes destory the phone. | Aug 04 12:42 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, so you really don't want an S6 if you might destroy it. | Aug 04 12:42 |
| DaemonFC | The base model starts out at like $650 I think. | Aug 04 12:42 |
| DaemonFC | There's rumor of a price cut coming. | Aug 04 12:42 |
| DaemonFC | That's to be expected I guess. | Aug 04 12:43 |
| DaemonFC | The used phone market is saturated. You can't really get anything out of your two year old phone because they're everywhere. | Aug 04 12:43 |
| DaemonFC | Plus, lower end Androids aren't as bad as they used to be. | Aug 04 12:43 |
| DaemonFC | When I got my old LG G2, the low end Androids were bad. Really bad. | Aug 04 12:44 |
| DaemonFC | Some still are, I guess. | Aug 04 12:44 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/David_Lally/status/628531847887212544 | Aug 04 12:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@David_Lally: @schestowitz That's quite a good point, I'd never thought of it quite that way before. Bravo. | Aug 04 12:47 | |
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| oiaohm | XRevan86: connection troubles? | Aug 04 13:06 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Not quite. | Aug 04 13:07 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: New kernel update at the VPS. | Aug 04 13:07 |
| XRevan86 | Linux 4.1.4 | Aug 04 13:08 |
| DaemonFC` | I got a good deal on a used monitor but there's no cable. | Aug 04 13:18 |
| DaemonFC` | I bought a 6 foot DVI cable on ebay for $4. I'll just wait a few days and get it in the mail. Best Buy wants $20 for a freaking monitor cable, their cheapest brand. | Aug 04 13:19 |
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| DaemonFC | Well, I found a VGA cable, but no DVI-VGA adapter. If I can find one, it'll do in the meantime. I just don't like using VGA. The image is not as crisp, and colors can get a little bit off. | Aug 04 13:25 |
| DaemonFC | Damn it. I must have gotten 20 of those over the years every time I bought a video card, and now I can't find one anywhere. | Aug 04 13:27 |
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| cubexyz | Windows XP had the same problem Windows 2.0 had | Aug 04 14:09 |
| cubexyz | it was slow | Aug 04 14:09 |
| cubexyz | on the same machine Linux performed better | Aug 04 14:09 |
| MinceR | winblows had many more problems than that | Aug 04 14:12 |
| MinceR | including the lendows crowd's favorite feature, client side decorations | Aug 04 14:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @RamiSilawi RT @tuxmachines: Canonical Publishes Impressive | Aug 04 14:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Roadmap for All of Their #Ubuntu Products | Aug 04 14:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/GDCmJGr6BR (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 04 14:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://twitter.com/RamiSilawi/status/628531133303533568 | Aug 04 14:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Canonical Publishes Impressive Roadmap for All of Their Ubuntu Products - Softpedia | Aug 04 14:17 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6425000 | Aug 04 14:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@harryhaller@nerdpol.ch: _at the CIA, the tail wagged the dog, that America’s real business was covert activities, not intelligence collecting and analysis_ [chalmers johnson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalmers_Johnson) "[sorrows of empire](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgnKZ5UgYS0)" CIA not NSA #usa #cia #empire #destabilisation #chalmersjohnson #sorrowofempire | Aug 04 14:17 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> en.wikipedia.org | Chalmers Johnson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/g2o8g ] | Aug 04 14:17 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com | The Sorrows of Empire - Chalmers Johnson - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/ncnml ] | Aug 04 14:17 | |
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| MinceR | DaemonFC: also, dumbFuckBook will use every bit of information they know about you, against you | Aug 04 20:11 |
| MinceR | and they'll also hand it over to micro$oft and the nsa. | Aug 04 20:11 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/628644295218589697 | Aug 04 20:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Sound worse than eBola ! | Aug 04 20:11 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, They parodied Facebook in GTA V. | Aug 04 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | They called it LifeInvader. | Aug 04 20:12 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 04 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | Your guy had to go on a mission to put a bomb in Mark Zuckerberg's phone. | Aug 04 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | To blow his head off on the evening news. | Aug 04 20:13 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 04 20:14 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: fuckerbuck | Aug 04 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, I loved that game. | Aug 04 20:14 |
| schestowitz | !google zuckerberg sweats youtube | Aug 04 20:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Mark Zuckerberg Sweats About Privacy Issues On ... - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DdmYzjjSfT8s | Aug 04 20:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - D8 Interview Video: Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DG4XGbZ7IrC8 | Aug 04 20:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Mark Zuckerberg gets hot under the collar over your ... - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dit2yjVeqEHQ | Aug 04 20:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Mark Zuckerberg Sweats and Distracts When Asked ... - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DuANQCptsugg | Aug 04 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | I liked the last mission, where you rob the Federal Reserve. | Aug 04 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | Actually, I liked all of the missions. | Aug 04 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | I was reading Jamie Zawinski's blog out of boredom. | Aug 04 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | He posted an article from the late 1990s about how skaters would show up with power tools and rip out the anti-skating fixtures from sidewalks and parking lots and stuff. | Aug 04 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | I wish people would start doing that to homeless spikes. | Aug 04 20:21 |
| MinceR | give the poor spikes a home! | Aug 04 20:25 |
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| abeNd-org | yes, put them on the US/MX border | Aug 04 20:33 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/628649444901154816 | Aug 04 20:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: Garbage [in]---> (version +1)---> [out] Garbage (+ new bugs 10^11) https://t.co/R3QgBWeTvE | Aug 04 20:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #vista10 is like going 9 years into the past http://t.co/xPqymjPoe7 | Aug 04 20:33 | |
| abeNd-org | & handle the homeless problem with compassion.... however that will only help with some, as a goodly portion of the homeless have mental issues & that needs to be handled differently | Aug 04 20:33 |
| schestowitz | [11:04] <DaemonFC> The cheap Windows laptops are selling because Google crippled Chrome OS in certain ways. | Aug 04 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Install Linux on them | Aug 04 20:34 |
| schestowitz | works OK | Aug 04 20:34 |
| schestowitz | though you might have to tweak croûton a bit to start CUPS | Aug 04 20:35 |
| schestowitz | took me a while to set up | Aug 04 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | for the wife, DaemonFC | Aug 04 20:35 |
| schestowitz | it's not an issue | Aug 04 20:35 |
| schestowitz | so long as you use the freedom of chromebooks | Aug 04 20:35 |
| schestowitz | to install another OS | Aug 04 20:35 |
| schestowitz | [10:09] <DaemonFC> http://www.engadget.com/2015/08/04/acer-aspire-one-cloudbook/ | Aug 04 20:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com | Acer Aspire One Cloudbook gives you a full Windows laptop for $169 [ http://ur1.ca/nclq8 ] | Aug 04 20:36 | |
| schestowitz | Spying machine, underpowered | Aug 04 20:36 |
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| DaemonFC | Yeah. 2 GB of RAM is really bad. Probably soldered too, like my Chromebook. | Aug 04 20:38 |
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| cubexyz | to me the main advantage of a chomebook is coreboot | Aug 04 20:40 |
| cubexyz | older chromebooks did not have the memory soldered to the motherboard | Aug 04 20:42 |
| cubexyz | Acer C710 is upgradeable | Aug 04 20:43 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Yesterday and Today in Techrights | Aug 04 20:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by http://t.co/ibu8AXF7QQ (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 20:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz | Aug 04 20:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncrat | Aug 04 20:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Announcing the shutdown of the Ada Initiative | Aug 04 20:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/HhsRRfxHyp (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 20:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Yesterday and Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Aug 04 20:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncrav | Aug 04 20:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Announcing the shutdown of the Ada Initiative | Tux Machines | Aug 04 20:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Personal Will Have Unity 8 and Mir by | Aug 04 20:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Default and Will Run X Legacy Apps | Aug 04 20:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/DZ8oqjFvYC (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 20:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncraz | Aug 04 20:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Personal Will Have Unity 8 and Mir by Default and Will Run X Legacy Apps | Tux Machines | Aug 04 20:48 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2015/08/04/apple-stock-implosion-billions/31110665/ | Aug 04 21:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.usatoday.com | Apple stock implosion shreds $113.4B [ http://ur1.ca/ncri4 ] | Aug 04 21:08 | |
| schestowitz | LOL | Aug 04 21:11 |
| schestowitz | wardrobe malfunction | Aug 04 21:11 |
| schestowitz | NSFW: https://twitter.com/pimpjuicewow/status/628653287470944256 | Aug 04 21:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pimpjuicewow: Lenny Kravitz's dick says "hey, wsup, hello!" on stage 🎥 http://t.co/2I0PTCpc82 | Aug 04 21:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dorseyshaw: This GIF of Lenny Kravitz's penis popping out of his leather pants is kinda relaxing tbh http://t.co/RDCgSXAUBm | Aug 04 21:11 | |
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| DaemonFC | https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/Dn594399.aspx?f=255&MSPPError=-2147217396 | Aug 04 21:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-technet.microsoft.com | Windows Image File Boot (WIMBoot) Overview [ http://ur1.ca/ncrjm ] | Aug 04 21:13 | |
| DaemonFC | Apparently, that's how they're getting Windows on a 16 GB SSD. | Aug 04 21:13 |
| schestowitz | ewww https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CLlUhZwWcAAWLKq.mp4 | Aug 04 21:14 |
| schestowitz | this is what everyone talks about right now | Aug 04 21:14 |
| schestowitz | no underwear | Aug 04 21:14 |
| schestowitz | he thinks he;s tarzan | Aug 04 21:14 |
| MinceR | humanity is headed back into barbarism | Aug 04 21:15 |
| MinceR | welcome to the new dark age | Aug 04 21:15 |
| schestowitz | can't unsee that | Aug 04 21:17 |
| schestowitz | anyway, people online share this as if, like it's fappening | Aug 04 21:17 |
| schestowitz | but it's only treated as abusive when that's done to females | Aug 04 21:18 |
| MinceR | that's the wonderful world of the SIW-s (Social Injustice Warriors) | Aug 04 21:19 |
| MinceR | trying to make a right out of two wrongs | Aug 04 21:19 |
| MinceR | and if that fails, trying to make a right out of three wrongs | Aug 04 21:19 |
| MinceR | etc. | Aug 04 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Third wave feminism bullshit. | Aug 04 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 04 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | If the facts don't support them they make something up. | Aug 04 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | All men are pigs. | Aug 04 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | Women are the victim of everything. | Aug 04 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | One of their big things is the "pay gap" myth that just won't die. | Aug 04 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | They even got the president to repeat it for them in the SOTU address in 2013. | Aug 04 21:23 |
| MinceR | the "president" is just a mouthpiece for his owners anyway | Aug 04 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I voted for him twice. | Aug 04 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | That's how the two party system gets you. | Aug 04 21:24 |
| MinceR | yup | Aug 04 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | I think schestowitz said he doesn't vote. | Aug 04 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | Not voting is voting, in a sense. | Aug 04 21:27 |
| MinceR | hardly | Aug 04 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | I agree with Richard Stallman about Bernie Sanders though. | Aug 04 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to vote for him in the primary next year, but there's the Clinton machine. | Aug 04 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | The banksters will unload practically unlimited money on her. | Aug 04 21:28 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Bodhi Linux 3.1.0 Pre Invites Users to Test the | Aug 04 21:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | New Moksha Desktop Environment | Aug 04 21:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/6KvLZjInFF (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 21:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Bodhi Linux 3.1.0 Pre Invites Users to Test the New Moksha Desktop Environment | Tux Machines | Aug 04 21:42 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open source Chromecast competitor, Matchstick, | Aug 04 21:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | is dead http://t.co/3HHmwtyo0I | Aug 04 21:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 21:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open source Chromecast competitor, Matchstick, is dead | Tux Machines | Aug 04 21:42 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Debian Finally Moves to GCC 5 | Aug 04 21:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/DItarLfQaC (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 21:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian Finally Moves to GCC 5 | Tux Machines | Aug 04 21:49 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines saw that tweet by @tuxmachines too | Aug 04 21:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AMD is working on a new Linux graphics driver | Aug 04 21:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to catch up with Nvidia http://t.co/iWGp6mM41O | Aug 04 21:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 21:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AMD is working on a new Linux graphics driver to catch up with Nvidia | Tux Machines | Aug 04 21:49 | |
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| msb__ | DaemonFC: Sanders will never win. Primaries will be rigged or he will be murdered. | Aug 04 22:03 |
| msb__ | Or maybe the huge flood of propaganda will succeed. | Aug 04 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Raspberry Jams bring Pi enthusiasts together | Aug 04 22:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/0aTPBKgmcw (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 22:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Raspberry Jams bring Pi enthusiasts together | Tux Machines | Aug 04 22:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AMD is working on a new Linux graphics driver | Aug 04 22:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to catch up with Nvidia http://t.co/n1mTrtZCUG | Aug 04 22:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com | AMD is working on a new Linux graphics driver to catch up with Nvidia | PCWorld | Aug 04 22:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.pcworld.com) | Aug 04 22:05 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Raspberry Jams bring Pi enthusiasts together | Aug 04 22:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/8mKN9fQVmX (opensource.com) | Aug 04 22:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com | Raspberry Jams bring Pi enthusiasts together | Opensource.com | Aug 04 22:05 | |
| DaemonFC | msb__, They are pulling out all the stops. | Aug 04 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | The New York Times is even in on it. | Aug 04 22:06 |
| msb__ | The NYT is _always_ in on it. | Aug 04 22:06 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: watch these two RT shows: | Aug 04 22:09 |
| msb__ | http://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/270793-new-cold-war-conflict/ | Aug 04 22:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | Cold war redux (featuring Chris Hedges) RT — CrossTalk [ http://ur1.ca/ncs5u ] | Aug 04 22:09 | |
| msb__ | http://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/310643-ukraine-chaos-western-media/ | Aug 04 22:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | Watching media RT — CrossTalk [ http://ur1.ca/ncs68 ] | Aug 04 22:09 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/628674059291619328 | Aug 04 22:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: DOES HE REALLY NEED SOME? https://t.co/6uT1Rk6zsR | Aug 04 22:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Putting Lipstick on a Penguin http://t.co/FCAjvuPeml #gnu #linux #desktop | Aug 04 22:12 | |
| cubexyz | one thing I noticed with openbsd regarding KDE 3.5.10 | Aug 04 22:15 |
| cubexyz | you can install kdelibs and kdeutils (or other parts) without installing kdebase | Aug 04 22:15 |
| cubexyz | that greatly cuts down the amount of file space required | Aug 04 22:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE dot org Redesign https://t.co/R6VAJfIHkD | Aug 04 22:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (kver.wordpress.com) | Aug 04 22:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kver.wordpress.com | KDE.org Redesign | Ken Vermette | Aug 04 22:16 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Unity 8 And KDE May Coexist On The Future | Aug 04 22:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Versions Of The Ubuntu Desktop | Aug 04 22:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/fZTA0zhRtK (linuxg.net) | Aug 04 22:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net | Unity 8 And KDE May Coexist On The Future Versions Of The Ubuntu Desktop | LinuxG.net | Aug 04 22:16 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Putting Lipstick on a Penguin | Aug 04 22:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/BrJ0nWnNFc (fossforce.com) | Aug 04 22:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Putting Lipstick on a Penguin | FOSS Force | Aug 04 22:16 | |
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| msb__ | RT just did a story about their reporter going to US State Dept and asking what is legal justification for US attacking Syrian military. Spokesman could not answer. | Aug 04 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/628680988999217152 | Aug 04 22:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: If I had to use #wordpress I wouldn't host it myself. Let someone else take responsibility for backups & updates. https://t.co/Zf4773Nl7s | Aug 04 22:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: All my #wordpress sites finally up to date. Anyone who has a WordPress site ought to patch ASAP. #security #cms #freesw | Aug 04 22:41 | |
| schestowitz | That would make one sensitive to DMCA censorship and many other issues | Aug 04 22:41 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/628682802293248000 | Aug 04 22:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: Then don't use #wordpress. #worstSoftwareEver https://t.co/w4ddBeul3g | Aug 04 22:44 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @qu1j0t3 That would make one sensitive to DMCA censorship and many other issues | Aug 04 22:44 | |
| schestowitz | very good software | Aug 04 22:45 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines HPLIP Vulnerability Closed in Ubuntu OSes | Aug 04 22:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | HPLIP Vulnerability Closed in Ubuntu OSes | Tux Machines | Aug 04 22:51 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tanglu 3 (Chromodoris willani) released! | Aug 04 22:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tanglu 3 (Chromodoris willani) released! | Tux Machines | Aug 04 22:54 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @iArthurCDN favourited 'Debian Finally Moves to GCC 5 http://t.co/Av0GORtTsz' | Aug 04 23:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Debian Finally Moves to GCC 5 - Softpedia | Aug 04 23:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Xfce: Seven Reasons It's Popular | Aug 04 23:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/ZCGXIiSY56 (www.datamation.com) | Aug 04 23:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datamation.com | Xfce: Seven Reasons It's Popular - Datamation | Aug 04 23:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Point Linux 3.0 (Agni) http://t.co/cnfTBs7jrA | Aug 04 23:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. | Aug 04 23:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LibreOffice 5: The best office suite today | Aug 04 23:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by won't cost you a dime http://t.co/PJceLXq6qd | Aug 04 23:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @iArthurCDN (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 23:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice 5: The best office suite today won't cost you a dime | Tux Machines | Aug 04 23:09 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 4/8/2015: http://t.co/KkESzmXmIf | Aug 04 23:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.kde.org) Redesign, Point Linux 3.0 | Aug 04 23:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/S0Eixp7Xg3 (techrights.org) | Aug 04 23:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kde.org | KDE - Experience Freedom! | Aug 04 23:48 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 4/8/2015: KDE.org Redesign, Point Linux 3.0 | Techrights | Aug 04 23:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora: The Latest http://t.co/kvr2f24TtB | Aug 04 23:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora: The Latest | Tux Machines | Aug 04 23:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat News http://t.co/c2CjCG1Pyc | Aug 04 23:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat News | Tux Machines | Aug 04 23:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: KDE/Qt http://t.co/8MGoso9F5b | Aug 04 23:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: KDE/Qt | Tux Machines | Aug 04 23:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/GaSK7cBrcB | Aug 04 23:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Aug 04 23:49 | |
| MinceR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhBdPx53pfQ | Aug 05 00:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Apple Fanboys LOVE Android - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nct6h ] | Aug 05 00:00 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/628857180423364611 https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/628857320043376640 | Aug 05 10:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz I wonder why you make such a fuzz about sth that I stated upfront. http://t.co/pjPlQr9XWj is a Red Hat project. (1/2) | Aug 05 10:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> OpenSource.com | Open source is changing the world: join the movement | Opensource.com | Aug 05 10:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz We never claimed otherwise. We were open about that from day 1. (2/2) | Aug 05 10:19 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, but recently it has been full of Red Hat jingoism and it's treated by Google as "news" | Aug 05 10:20 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/628857528793866240 | Aug 05 10:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz soon even more ;-) I'm writing my review for http://t.co/pjPlQr9XWj as we tweet :-) | Aug 05 10:20 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/628861319324766208 | Aug 05 10:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz seems open source SEO is a thing ;-) We should make a startup out if that!1!! | Aug 05 10:35 | |
| schestowitz | don't interpret my comments as #redhat bashing, just a criticism in favour of independent media | Aug 05 10:36 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=EXWM-Window-Manager | Aug 05 11:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | EXWM: Turning Emacs Into An X Window Manager - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/ncybq ] | Aug 05 11:19 | |
| oiaohm | Just when you think emacs is overloaded enough. | Aug 05 11:19 |
| oiaohm | Someone adds more. | Aug 05 11:19 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/628906811941326848 | Aug 05 13:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: LibreOffice 5.0 stands out from the office suite crowd @ruskin147 @schestowitz https://t.co/vmmQUXi4it | Aug 05 13:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blog.documentfoundation.org | LibreOffice 5.0 stands out from the office suite crowd | Aug 05 13:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6424863 | Aug 05 14:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #UbuntuTouch Support Will Be Provided for as Long as Technically Possible http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-touch-support-will-be-provided-as-long-as-technically-possible-488449.shtml #ubuntu #linux | Aug 05 14:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch Support Will Be Provided for as Long as Technically Possible - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/nczmg ] | Aug 05 14:16 | |
| schestowitz | "HAH, I’ll believe it when I see it. For the meantime I’ll be rolling on with Android + F-droid minus google spyware." | Aug 05 14:16 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/launchderp/status/628945158952726528 | Aug 05 16:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@launchderp: @schestowitz That’s a big fat nooooooooooooope. | Aug 05 16:16 | |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer · | Aug 05 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | AT&T isn't really that much better than Sprint. They only scored like 2 points higher for overall reliability in the fourth quarter of 2014, but switch from Sprint to AT&T and use the same amount of data and your bill might go up from $75 with Sprint to $120-130 with AT&T. I looked into it a while back and decided to stay with Sprint on the Best Buy One plan with the Galaxy S6 lease. | Aug 05 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | No unlimited data on AT&T. Also, Sprint stopped throttling right after the Federal Communications Commission told the carriers to knock it off. AT&T kept on doing it and got a fine of more than $100 million. Now AT&T is suing the FCC to protect their right to degrade your service instead of building out their network. | Aug 05 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | AT&T is also responsible for a lot of graft and corruption in our government, since they spend a lot of your money bribing elected officials instead of building out their network. They're a really awful company. They haven't changed at all since the 1990s, when they were actively taking part in those 1-900 number scams. I refuse to do business with them at all. | Aug 05 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | It's amazing how many people complain about AT&T and sign up with them for another two years anyway. Well, they *are* basically an iPhone carrier, so when their network isn't going nuts, your phone probably is. *grin* | Aug 05 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2015/06/10/fappening-link-to-hundreds-of-icloud-attacks/ | Aug 05 16:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | 'Fappening' Celebrity Nude Leak Suspect Linked To 572 iCloud Hacks - Forbes [ http://ur1.ca/nd0nh ] | Aug 05 16:25 | |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Aug 05 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | 1 min · Edited · | Aug 05 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | Nice! | Aug 05 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | Nice! Now if he could just do something about the "right to life" shock jocks that post pictures of aborted fetuses on Facebook. Who wants to see that shit? Purely for shock and awe. The yuck factor. These people are nuts and assholes. | Aug 05 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | http://bit.ly/Facebook-stands-with-PP | Aug 05 16:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.lifenews.com | Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg Donates $992 Million to Charity Funding Planned Parenthood | LifeNews.com | Aug 05 16:34 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.zdnet.com/article/libreoffice-5-the-best-office-suite-today-wont-cost-you-a-dime/ | Aug 05 17:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | LibreOffice 5: The best office suite today won't cost you a dime | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/ncs1u ] | Aug 05 17:05 | |
| DaemonFC | Time to upgrade. | Aug 05 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | There's a 64-bit Windows version now... | Aug 05 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox is still taking their sweet time, even though out of memory is still their biggest crash on Windows, for like the sixth year in a row, due to the release version still only being 32-bit. | Aug 05 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | You can use 64-bit Firefox, but you have to be on at least the beta channel right now. | Aug 05 17:07 |
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| cubexyz | kind of funny but not really: | Aug 05 17:25 |
| cubexyz | This just beats all! I picked up a gallon of apple juice at our local grocery, and on the side of the jug it says, 'Contains Concentrate from China'. Huh? What the heck! America can't even bottle their own apple juice any more? | Aug 05 17:26 |
| abeNd-org | cubexyz: sadly not | Aug 05 17:38 |
| abeNd-org | it is scary how much food we import from .ch & .mx completely unchecked | Aug 05 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | cubexyz, If you have some vodka on hand, you can make yourself an Anita Bryant. | Aug 05 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 05 17:48 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6428378 | Aug 05 17:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #DebConf15 , the Annual #Debian Conference, Announced for August 15-22 in Germany http://news.softpedia.com/news/debconf15-the-annual-debian-conference-announced-for-august-15-22-in-germany-488519.shtml | Aug 05 17:49 | |
| schestowitz | "Why are you posting all softpedia links ? Promoting softpedia … agreed that its one dent plays for windows apps …wonder why would linux users bother about the linux version of softpedia ?" | Aug 05 17:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | DebConf15, the Annual Debian Conference, Announced for August 15-22 in Germany - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/nd1ds ] | Aug 05 17:49 | |
| schestowitz | Softpedia news is dominated by Linux/BSD news these days | Aug 05 17:49 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6429062 | Aug 05 17:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: EXWM: Turning Emacs Into An X Window Manager http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=EXWM-Window-Manager #gnu #emacs #exwm | Aug 05 17:50 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 05 17:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.phoronix.com | EXWM: Turning Emacs Into An X Window Manager - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/ncybq ] | Aug 05 17:50 | |
| schestowitz | That was the missing functionality in Emacs that everybody has been waiting for … At least I can choose whether to use Emacs or not, unlike systemd. | Aug 05 17:50 |
| schestowitz | That reminds me: when is systemd having to have an X Window Manager? | Aug 05 17:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 05 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Patience is a virtue... | Aug 05 17:50 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6429214 | Aug 05 17:50 |
| schestowitz | "exactly- the ‘I’m alright Jack, pull the ladder up’ attitude has to go" | Aug 05 17:50 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/wMayu9aIkO | Aug 05 18:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 05 18:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz | Aug 05 18:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Aug 05 18:35 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Google v Oracle case is getting about as | Aug 05 18:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | laggy as those old Android devices! | Aug 05 18:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/KCrOyeeeTj (www.linuxveda.com) | Aug 05 18:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxveda.com | The Google v Oracle case is getting about as laggy as those old Android devices! - Linux Veda | Aug 05 18:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android TV FAQ: Everything you need to know | Aug 05 18:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | about Android for your living room | Aug 05 18:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/hlAogTeJG0 (www.greenbot.com) | Aug 05 18:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.greenbot.com | Android TV FAQ: Everything you need to know about Android for your living room | Greenbot | Aug 05 18:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Parrot quietly cancels highly anticipated, | Aug 05 18:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android-powered RNB6 car stereo | Aug 05 18:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/dJjuaJYGBW (www.cnet.com) | Aug 05 18:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnet.com | Parrot quietly cancels highly anticipated, Android-powered RNB6 car stereo - CNET | Aug 05 18:43 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android One reaches Thailand with the i-mobile | Aug 05 18:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | IQ II http://t.co/fHaAEYzwjM (www.gsmarena.com) | Aug 05 18:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gsmarena.com | Android One reaches Thailand with the i-mobile IQ II - GSMArena.com news | Aug 05 18:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines UK Government Squirming To Escape Being Crushed | Aug 05 18:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | By Non-FREE Software Licences | Aug 05 18:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | UK Government Squirming To Escape Being Crushed By Non-FREE Software Licences | Tux Machines | Aug 05 18:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Black Lab Enterprise Linux 6.6 Released | Aug 05 18:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Black Lab Enterprise Linux 6.6 Released | Tux Machines | Aug 05 18:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Here's proof that Apple fanboys actually adore | Aug 05 18:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android http://t.co/jRp4O3WoNJ | Aug 05 18:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Here's proof that Apple fanboys actually adore Android | Tux Machines | Aug 05 18:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Erle-Spider Is a Six-Legged Drone Powered by | Aug 05 18:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu Snappy Core http://t.co/aWtHo29Gh6 | Aug 05 18:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Erle-Spider Is a Six-Legged Drone Powered by Ubuntu Snappy Core | Tux Machines | Aug 05 18:59 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines More Oxide Security Issues Have Been Fixed in | Aug 05 18:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu 15.04 and Ubuntu 14.04 LTS | Aug 05 18:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | More Oxide Security Issues Have Been Fixed in Ubuntu 15.04 and Ubuntu 14.04 LTS | Tux Machines | Aug 05 18:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora 22 release event in Pune | Aug 05 18:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/2UQAV3vMwx (kushaldas.in) | Aug 05 18:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kushaldas.in | Fedora 22 release event in Pune | Aug 05 18:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Who says Linux isn’t good for gaming? It’s got | Aug 05 19:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | a Steam exclusive now! http://t.co/KuhhQyI4SL | Aug 05 19:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxveda.com | Who says Linux isn't good for gaming? It's got a Steam exclusive now! - Linux Veda | Aug 05 19:00 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @stefanmathez favourited 'Who says Linux isn’t good for gaming? It’s...' | Aug 05 19:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora developer portal http://t.co/0jlRrFOuXH | Aug 05 19:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (phracek.livejournal.com) | Aug 05 19:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-phracek.livejournal.com | phracek: Fedora developer portal | Aug 05 19:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Homefront: The Revolution Still Coming To | Aug 05 19:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux, New Trailer & Details Emerge | Aug 05 19:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/LrcEcPELOF (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 05 19:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Homefront: The Revolution Still Coming To Linux, New Trailer & Details Emerge | GamingOnLinux | Aug 05 19:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Interview With The Developers Of Cossacks 3, | Aug 05 19:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Which Is Coming To Linux | Aug 05 19:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Interview With The Developers Of Cossacks 3, Which Is Coming To Linux | GamingOnLinux | Aug 05 19:06 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6429006 | Aug 05 19:33 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 05 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Sorry, there are… | Aug 05 19:33 |
| schestowitz | sudo apt-add-repository ppa:libreoffice/ppa | Aug 05 19:33 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 05 19:33 |
| schestowitz | "But there is still no ppa for version 5. Is it?" | Aug 05 19:33 |
| schestowitz | "Probably still have to build from source. Wait for it to be packaged in a ppa, or to be added to you distro’s repos if you don’t want to do that." | Aug 05 19:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post? | Aug 05 19:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Aquaria Now Available DRM Free On GOG For Linux | Aug 05 19:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Aquaria Now Available DRM Free On GOG For Linux | GamingOnLinux | Aug 05 19:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Trine 3: The Artifacts Of Power Linux Version | Aug 05 19:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | In Progress https://t.co/anj202FfER | Aug 05 19:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Trine 3: The Artifacts Of Power Linux Version In Progress | GamingOnLinux | Aug 05 19:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Black Lab Enterprise Linux 6.6 Released | Aug 05 19:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pc-opensystems.com | Black Lab Software Inc.: Black Lab Enterprise Linux 6.6 Released | Aug 05 19:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines More Oxide Security Issues Have Been Fixed in | Aug 05 19:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu 15.04 and Ubuntu 14.04 LTS | Aug 05 19:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | More Oxide Security Issues Have Been Fixed in Ubuntu 15.04 and Ubuntu 14.04 LTS - Softpedia | Aug 05 19:42 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @Cipherhouse retweeted @tuxmachines: 'More Oxide Security Issues Have Been Fixed in...' | Aug 05 19:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Qt Purchasing Module Might Come To Qt 5.6 For | Aug 05 19:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Offering In-App Purchases | Aug 05 19:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Qt Purchasing Module Might Come To Qt 5.6 For Offering In-App Purchases - Phoronix | Aug 05 19:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat Announces General Availability of Red | Aug 05 19:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Hat Enterprise Linux OpenStack Platform 7 | Aug 05 19:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.marketwatch.com | Red Hat Announces General Availability of Red Hat Enterprise Linux OpenStack Platform 7 - MarketWatch | Aug 05 19:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora Linux May Further Demote i686 Support | Aug 05 19:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Fedora Linux May Further Demote i686 Support - Phoronix | Aug 05 19:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tizen Developer Summit give-away device, | Aug 05 19:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Samsung TM1 lands at Tizen Experts | Aug 05 19:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | [Pictures] Tizen Developer Summit give-away device, Samsung TM1 lands at Tizen Experts - Tizen Experts | Aug 05 19:47 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Cumulus Releases VX Virtual Appliance Edition | Aug 05 20:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of its Linux OS http://t.co/S4n4lZuhk1 | Aug 05 20:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.convergedigest.com) http://t.co/yG23tjTRre | Aug 05 20:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.convergedigest.com | Cumulus Releases VX Virtual Appliance Edition of its Linux OS ~ Converge! Network Digest | Aug 05 20:13 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fierceenterprisecommunications.com | Cumulus wants you to try open networking with its new virtual appliance - FierceEnterpriseCommunications | Aug 05 20:13 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eweek.com | Cumulus Offers VX Virtual Appliance for Testing, Development | Aug 05 20:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Twin Robots 2D Platformer Lands on Steam for | Aug 05 20:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux | Aug 05 20:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Twin Robots 2D Platformer Lands on Steam for Linux - Softpedia | Aug 05 20:13 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Jamie Zawinski is bitching about his flawless Mac again. | Aug 05 21:17 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 05 21:17 |
| MinceR | he wouldn't have got one if he hadn't lost his mind | Aug 05 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | He wrote an AppleScript to help use iTunes, and then complained when they changed the "shuffle" button so that his script couldn't click on it, and there's no documentation from Apple about what to tell your script to click on to have it click the shuffle button. | Aug 05 21:18 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 05 21:18 |
| MinceR | should have stuck to unix | Aug 05 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | Yep. | Aug 05 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer Matt Dalton: Windows 10 is gratis at the moment if you already had a Windows license, although you may have noticed that they raised both the retail and system builder prices, so they took with one hand and gave with the other. Essentially, people building or buying new computers are subsidizing the upgrades for others. | Aug 05 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | From now on, the cost of future upgrades are basically pre-paid, which is what Apple does. | Aug 05 21:26 |
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| MinceR | they learn so much from each other | Aug 05 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | They pick up each others bad habits anyway. :P | Aug 05 21:27 |
| MinceR | that's all they have | Aug 05 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | Windows is better than Mac in the sense that they're both rotten, but Windows is a little less rotten. | Aug 05 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft still hasn't figured out a way to not let you sideload apps. | Aug 05 21:28 |
| MinceR | i'm sure they're working on it | Aug 05 21:28 |
| MinceR | though they'll probably lock down uefi before they do that | Aug 05 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | Not really. | Aug 05 21:28 |
| MinceR | so people won't notice what's going on | Aug 05 21:28 |
| MinceR | they already have a winblows store | Aug 05 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 10 has a slider that says "Allow application sideloading." which lets you install appx programs from outside the Windows Store. | Aug 05 21:28 |
| MinceR | which is what will disappear once the uefi trap is spring | Aug 05 21:29 |
| MinceR | s/rin/run/ | Aug 05 21:29 |
| MinceR | perhaps first only for non-"enterprise" victims | Aug 05 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Classic apps are what Microsoft is calling the software that people actually use. | Aug 05 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | AppX hasn't caught on. | Aug 05 21:30 |
| MinceR | those who followed m$ into the previous rabbit holes will follow them into the next ones too | Aug 05 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think it will in a major way. There's only a few good Windows Store apps, but most are fake/scam/exploitation apps. | Aug 05 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | They did a purge of those a few months ago, but they're starting to come back. | Aug 05 21:30 |
| MinceR | maybe they'll graciously allow "classic" "apps" into the winblows store | Aug 05 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | My favorite one was "Google Chr0me". | Aug 05 21:31 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 05 21:31 |
| MinceR | why not "Google Chrome" with cyrillic 'o'-s? | Aug 05 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | Good question. | Aug 05 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | The cyrillic c is useful too. | Aug 05 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | It lets you say "fuck" when there's a profanity filter. | Aug 05 21:32 |
| MinceR | :) | Aug 05 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | Amazon didn't notice until I posted "Fuck, fuckity, fuck fuck fuck. What's the fucking problem?" | Aug 05 21:32 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 05 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | I do like the flipboard app. | Aug 05 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | The Galaxy S6 comes with a version of it called "Briefing". | Aug 05 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | http://techcrunch.com/2015/08/05/google-and-samsung-will-now-release-monthly-ota-android-security-updates/ | Aug 05 21:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com | Google And Samsung Will Now Release Monthly OTA Android Security Updates | TechCrunch [ http://ur1.ca/nd3gi ] | Aug 05 21:34 | |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Aug 05 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | Just now · | Aug 05 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | Google and Samsung will now push out a monthly security rollup that fixes all known security issues. | Aug 05 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | Good. I'm not happy that it took the Stagefright bug meda feeding frenzy to get them to do the right thing, but Android is a pretty secure OS. If the bug was as easy to exploit as the pro-Apple media would have us believe, then why is there no actual malware targeting it yet? Think about how much money you could make with malware if Android is really a pushover, and it is 4 out of 5 smartphones in use. | Aug 05 21:38 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6430592 | Aug 05 21:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 05 21:39 |
| schestowitz | As such, my test system is an A10-7850K CPU, 8Gbs of 2133Mhz RAM, and AMD R9 290 graphics card, running on Windows 10 Professional 64-bit only because the outstanding Catalyst driver bugs under Linux make this game basically unplayable. | Aug 05 21:39 |
| schestowitz | Yes, definitely a Linux Gamer’s review. ;) | Aug 05 21:40 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 05 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Although, having had experience with our good friend the Catalyst Linux crap, he's...probably right. | Aug 05 21:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post? | Aug 05 21:40 | |
| DaemonFC | It remains to be seen if amdgpu in the kernel will fix any of Catalyst's problems, but it couldn't make it much worse. | Aug 05 21:41 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat eyes SEA expansion, finally sets up | Aug 05 21:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | shop in Malaysia https://t.co/MUoljkCdh8 | Aug 05 21:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digitalnewsasia.com | Red Hat eyes SEA expansion, finally sets up shop in Malaysia | Digital News Asia | Aug 05 21:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 5 Best Practices for Security in Open Source | Aug 05 21:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Development http://t.co/lezaLsgGsF | Aug 05 21:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 Best Practices for Security in Open Source Development | Tux Machines | Aug 05 21:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The New KDE "Fiber" Web Browser Deciding | Aug 05 21:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Between Qt WebEngine & Chromium | Aug 05 21:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The New KDE "Fiber" Web Browser Deciding Between Qt WebEngine & Chromium | Tux Machines | Aug 05 21:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat eyes SEA expansion, finally sets up | Aug 05 21:58 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Shadow Of Mordor Nvidia Benchmarks On Linux | Aug 05 21:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Shadow Of Mordor Nvidia Benchmarks On Linux | GamingOnLinux | Aug 05 21:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines DiRT Showdown For Linux Delayed For Polishing | Aug 05 21:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | DiRT Showdown For Linux Delayed For Polishing | GamingOnLinux | Aug 05 21:58 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, It'd probably be better for it to use the one from Chromium. | Aug 05 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | Every KDE/Qt web browser that has tried using the Qtwebkit port has turned into an utter shitpile. | Aug 05 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | Full of bugs and broken features. | Aug 05 22:08 |
| MinceR | http://www.visualcapitalist.com/how-closely-connected-are-the-most-powerful-corporations-in-america/ | Aug 05 22:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.visualcapitalist.com | How Closely Connected are the Most Powerful Corporations? [ http://ur1.ca/nd3sd ] | Aug 05 22:08 | |
| DaemonFC | Basing it on Chromium would give it the benefits of Chromium's security model and instant access to thousands of extensions. | Aug 05 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | It's not really possible to do adblock properly if you base your browser on Qtwebkit. | Aug 05 22:10 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/dkavedk/status/629242768041361413 | Aug 06 11:52 |
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| arossdotme-planb | trying to find an artical from a few years ago about creative commons and commercial use and why nc is bad | Aug 06 12:40 |
| cubexyz | nc? | Aug 06 12:42 |
| cubexyz | non commercial I suppose | Aug 06 12:43 |
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| MinceR | why don't you just enlist in putin's army so you can kill people for his sake | Aug 06 17:29 |
| msb_ | But you keep repeating the same lies. Isn't that work. Useless work when I refute the lies every time. | Aug 06 17:29 |
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| MinceR | you do realize you're not the only one who can randomly throw that word at everything you dislike, right? | Aug 06 17:30 |
| msb_ | MinceR: you are implying that I want to kill people for someone's sake. YOU ARE LYING. I have never said any such thing. | Aug 06 17:30 |
| MinceR | of course, cheering them on from the sidelines is a lot more fun | Aug 06 17:31 |
| msb_ | MinceR: I prove you are lying by challenging you to quote me to prove your lies. And you never can. | Aug 06 17:31 |
| MinceR | it's also easier to tell everyone that their country should be run like north korea if you don't have to live in north korea | Aug 06 17:32 |
| MinceR | i don't tell lies | Aug 06 17:32 |
| MinceR | you call inconvenient facts lies | Aug 06 17:32 |
| msb_ | Then quote me to prove your claims against me. | Aug 06 17:32 |
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| MinceR | i've seen what the people your favorite putin learned his methods from did to my country and i can tell you it was not the pinnacle of freedom or prosperity | Aug 06 17:33 |
| msb_ | That was 60 years ago. | Aug 06 17:33 |
| MinceR | and yet for many people nothing changed | Aug 06 17:33 |
| msb_ | Putin is not applying such methods now. | Aug 06 17:34 |
| MinceR | also, it was also 25 years ago | Aug 06 17:34 |
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| msb_ | I gave you seven alternative news websites, none connected with Russia, that say that the US installed a Nazi govt in Ukraine. | Aug 06 17:35 |
| msb_ | But you still disagree. | Aug 06 17:35 |
| msb_ | Putin must be judged on his current behavior, not the behavior of organizations he was associated with decades ago. | Aug 06 17:36 |
| MinceR | yeah, alternative "news" websites | Aug 06 17:37 |
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| MinceR | where groundless anti-vaxxer hysteria and crackpot theories about reptoids and chemtrails is "news" | Aug 06 17:37 |
| msb_ | Yes, and they pretty much all agree. And they prove their statements with evidence. | Aug 06 17:37 |
| MinceR | and you can tell from afar that they're not connected to russia | Aug 06 17:37 |
| MinceR | even as one of them routinely reposts garbage from RT | Aug 06 17:38 |
| msb_ | I've been watching RT. What it broadcasts is not garbage. | Aug 06 17:38 |
| MinceR | and apparently you can also tell from afar which people's lives should be sacrificed for the sake of your hero | Aug 06 17:38 |
| MinceR | yeah, i've seen how critically you think | Aug 06 17:38 |
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| MinceR | and before you call the ukrainian government nazis, you should learn a thing or two about putin's national socialist tendencies (and those of his admirers) | Aug 06 17:39 |
| msb_ | MinceR: you are lying by implication. I have never said anyone should be sacrificed. Produce quotes or STOP LYING/ | Aug 06 17:39 |
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| MinceR | you've routinely cheered on putler's conquest of ukraine | Aug 06 17:39 |
| MinceR | apparently people of the eastern bloc are expendable to you | Aug 06 17:40 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Putin did not conquer Ukraine. STOP LYING. He brought Crimea into Russia at the Crimeans' request, to protect them from the US Nazis. | Aug 06 17:40 |
| msb_ | and their bombing | Aug 06 17:41 |
| MinceR | yeah, only parts of it, for now | Aug 06 17:41 |
| MinceR | and the war isn't over yet | Aug 06 17:41 |
| MinceR | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqmboHoCcAAgE8z.jpg | Aug 06 17:41 |
| msb_ | Only the parts that REQUEST IT. | Aug 06 17:41 |
| MinceR | who's the nazi now? | Aug 06 17:41 |
| msb_ | You? | Aug 06 17:41 |
| MinceR | you're lying again | Aug 06 17:41 |
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| msb_ | They voted for it. | Aug 06 17:42 |
| MinceR | yeah, at gunpoint | Aug 06 17:42 |
| MinceR | after a demonstration of the russian military in crimea | Aug 06 17:42 |
| msb_ | were there guns in the polling places? | Aug 06 17:42 |
| MinceR | did they need to be in the polling places? | Aug 06 17:42 |
| msb_ | If not, then they could have voted against joining Russia. | Aug 06 17:42 |
| MinceR | are ukrainians so stupid in your opinion that they forget the guns by the time they get to the polling booth? | Aug 06 17:42 |
| MinceR | yes, and then they could have been exterminated | Aug 06 17:43 |
| MinceR | if the usa did the same thing, you'd be outraged about it. | Aug 06 17:43 |
| msb_ | How would the guns affect their vote if the Russians could not know how each person voted? | Aug 06 17:43 |
| MinceR | the russians only need to know and care about the outcome | Aug 06 17:43 |
| msb_ | The US has rigged elections. | Aug 06 17:43 |
| MinceR | prove that russia did not rig that election. | Aug 06 17:44 |
| msb_ | You can't prove a negative. | Aug 06 17:44 |
| MinceR | bullshit. | Aug 06 17:44 |
| msb_ | The whole Ukraine conflict was started by the US installing the Nazi govt. | Aug 06 17:45 |
| MinceR | http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/379/532/43f.gif | Aug 06 17:46 |
| msb_ | http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine/5371554 | Aug 06 17:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | The U.S. has Installed a Neo-Nazi Government in Ukraine | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization [ http://ur1.ca/ji3em ] | Aug 06 17:46 | |
| MinceR | http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcybzwsZUU1qdezf9o1_400.gif | Aug 06 17:47 |
| MinceR | again, the "news" site that repeats RT | Aug 06 17:47 |
| MinceR | yeah, if i wanted to know if the ukrainians were nazis, i'd ask putin too | Aug 06 17:47 |
| msb_ | You want all the other six news sites that say the same thing? | Aug 06 17:47 |
| MinceR | no, i want real news sites that have more clue than repeat what comes out of putler's propaganda machine | Aug 06 17:48 |
| MinceR | i know putler hates everyone who opposes his plans of annexing everything in the eastern bloc without reading six copies of his propaganda. | Aug 06 17:48 |
| msb_ | Prove he has such plans. | Aug 06 17:49 |
| msb_ | And note that all those news sites have their own writers. | Aug 06 17:50 |
| MinceR | he took over crimea, has forces in eastern ukraine and has threatened to attack the baltic states | Aug 06 17:50 |
| MinceR | ooh, they have their "own writers" to copypaste the garbage that comes out of putin's mouthpiece | Aug 06 17:50 |
| msb_ | Global Research http://www.globalresearch.ca/ | Aug 06 17:50 |
| msb_ | Op-Ed News http://www.opednews.com/ | Aug 06 17:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization | Aug 06 17:50 | |
| msb_ | Truth-Out http://www.truth-out.org/ | Aug 06 17:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.opednews.com | Opednews.com Progressive, Liberal United States and International News, Opinion, Op-Eds and Politics | Aug 06 17:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.truth-out.org | Truthout | Fearless, Independent News and Opinion | Aug 06 17:50 | |
| msb_ | Free Critical Thinking http://freecriticalthinking.org/ | Aug 06 17:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freecriticalthinking.org | Home | Aug 06 17:50 | |
| msb_ | Paul Craig Roberts http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/ | Aug 06 17:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.paulcraigroberts.org | Paul Craig Roberts - Official Homepage | Aug 06 17:50 | |
| msb_ | Common Dreams http://www.commondreams.org/ | Aug 06 17:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for the Progressive Community | Aug 06 17:50 | |
| msb_ | TomDispatch http://www.tomdispatch.com/ | Aug 06 17:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomdispatch.com | TomDispatch | Aug 06 17:50 | |
| MinceR | he even threatened to use nukes | Aug 06 17:50 |
| msb_ | Provide a reference. | Aug 06 17:51 |
| MinceR | but of course you don't care because they wouldn't land on you | Aug 06 17:51 |
| msb_ | Provide a reference. | Aug 06 17:51 |
| MinceR | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/11167192/Vladimir-Putin-issues-new-large-nuclear-power-warning-to-West.html | Aug 06 17:51 |
| msb_ | Provide a reference regarding nukes and also baltic states. | Aug 06 17:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.telegraph.co.uk | Vladimir Putin issues new 'large nuclear power' warning to West - Telegraph [ http://ur1.ca/nddzt ] | Aug 06 17:51 | |
| MinceR | http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/order-from-chaos/posts/2015/04/01-putin-nuclear-threats-meaning | Aug 06 17:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.brookings.edu | Apocalypse a bit later: The meaning of Putin’s nuclear threats | Brookings Institution [ http://ur1.ca/nde01 ] | Aug 06 17:52 | |
| MinceR | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11106195/Putin-privately-threatened-to-invade-Poland-Romania-and-the-Baltic-states.html | Aug 06 17:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.telegraph.co.uk | Putin 'privately threatened to invade Poland, Romania and the Baltic states' - Telegraph [ http://ur1.ca/nde09 ] | Aug 06 17:53 | |
| MinceR | apparently even poland and romania | Aug 06 17:53 |
| MinceR | http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-reviews-baltic-states-independence-2015-6 | Aug 06 17:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | Russia reviews Baltic states' independence - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/nde0k ] | Aug 06 17:53 | |
| msb_ | This was ALLEGED by the current president of the NAZI Ukraine regime. | Aug 06 17:56 |
| MinceR | read the next article | Aug 06 17:56 |
| MinceR | funny how putin's allegations are sacred scripture to you | Aug 06 17:57 |
| msb_ | " there would be no legal consequences if the recognition of the three Baltic states was to be found illegal." | Aug 06 17:58 |
| MinceR | and yet it conveniently pops up and is advertised while putin's having his little adventure | Aug 06 17:58 |
| MinceR | but i'm sure it has no meaning whatsoever | Aug 06 17:58 |
| msb_ | MinceR: "<MinceR> funny how putin's allegations are sacred scripture to you" STOP LYING AND EXAGGERATING. | Aug 06 17:59 |
| MinceR | https://euobserver.com/defence/125807 | Aug 06 17:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-euobserver.com | Could Putin's troops 'be in Warsaw in two days'? | Aug 06 17:59 | |
| MinceR | but i'm sure putler taking over half of europe would make for comfortable viewing from your armchair behind the usian missile shield | Aug 06 18:00 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Since Putin has not intention of putting troops in Warsaw , THAT IS LYING PROPAGANDA. | Aug 06 18:00 |
| MinceR | that's a lie | Aug 06 18:00 |
| MinceR | putler wants everything | Aug 06 18:00 |
| msb_ | No, you are willing to lie about everything. | Aug 06 18:01 |
| MinceR | this also shows that you're unwilling to do your research | Aug 06 18:01 |
| msb_ | It's impossible to have a rational discussion with you because you keep making things up. | Aug 06 18:01 |
| MinceR | you're only willing to read garbage "news" sites that relay putin's propaganda | Aug 06 18:01 |
| MinceR | and you pretend that's the whole truth there is | Aug 06 18:01 |
| MinceR | it's impossible to have a rational discussion with you because you're infatuated with putin and other dictators | Aug 06 18:02 |
| msb_ | MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT WHAT I THINK. | Aug 06 18:02 |
| MinceR | you ignore everything that doesn't support your fantasies | Aug 06 18:02 |
| msb_ | I give articles reporting actual facts. | Aug 06 18:03 |
| msb_ | You give articles from the fascist empire that imagine Putin's intentions. | Aug 06 18:03 |
| MinceR | no, you give articles that repeat lies from putin's propaganda machine | Aug 06 18:03 |
| MinceR | you also ignore where putin comes from | Aug 06 18:04 |
| msb_ | You trust corporate/govt media. I trust independent media. | Aug 06 18:04 |
| msb_ | It doesn't matter where he came from . What matters is what he actually does. | Aug 06 18:05 |
| MinceR | you trust russian government media and sites that repost any ludicrous bullshit they can find and pretend it's independent | Aug 06 18:05 |
| msb_ | The non-Russian sites that I quote give actual facts, testimony and pictures. | Aug 06 18:06 |
| msb_ | MinceR: You only quote corporate/govt/fascist sites that give unproven claims and speculation. | Aug 06 18:06 |
| MinceR | msb_: you label any site that says something you don't like as fascist | Aug 06 18:07 |
| MinceR | msb_: you label everyone who disagrees with you as fascist and/or nazi | Aug 06 18:07 |
| MinceR | it is impossible to have an honest, reasonable discussion with you | Aug 06 18:07 |
| msb_ | No, I label as fascist corporate/govt sites. | Aug 06 18:07 |
| MinceR | (interestingly, the russian commies also labeled everyone who disagreed with them as fascist) | Aug 06 18:07 |
| msb_ | Because they provably lie. | Aug 06 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | http://learnbonds.com/122316/microsoft-corporation-msft-windows-10-is-murdering-some-pcs/ | Aug 06 18:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-learnbonds.com | Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) Windows 10 Upgrade Renders PCs Unusable [ http://ur1.ca/nde5q ] | Aug 06 18:07 | |
| MinceR | where "provably" means "gainsaid by a site that also believes that chemtrails exist and vaccines cause autism" | Aug 06 18:08 |
| MinceR | msb_: you scream about a few nazis in the ukrainian government while turning a blind eye to how the russian government tramples human rights and colludes with a cult | Aug 06 18:09 |
| msb_ | Did you watch the videos on http://geoengineeringwatch.org/ ? | Aug 06 18:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geoengineeringwatch.org | Geoengineering Watch | Exposing the climate engineering/geoengineering cover-up | Aug 06 18:09 | |
| MinceR | i've seen enough chemtrail bullshit already | Aug 06 18:09 |
| msb_ | So no, you refuse to access the evidence. | Aug 06 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | He could have re-installed Windows 7 and then tried to upgrade to Windows 10 again. | Aug 06 18:09 |
| MinceR | msb_: you lie. | Aug 06 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | Even if the recovery partition is messed up, you can do it from an ISO and just enter the serial that's in your BIOS. | Aug 06 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, you'd have to know that. | Aug 06 18:10 |
| msb_ | There are dozens of videos showing kids that were made autistic by vaccines. | Aug 06 18:10 |
| MinceR | there are dozens of videos showing kids and alleging that they were made autistic by vaccines | Aug 06 18:11 |
| MinceR | fixed that for you | Aug 06 18:11 |
| msb_ | MinceR: So you simply refuse to believe any evidence I give you. | Aug 06 18:11 |
| MinceR | nutcases blabber on about how the mercury in thiomersal turns kids autistic, even though it's absent from most vaccines and is not elemental mercury | Aug 06 18:11 |
| MinceR | msb_: i simply refuse to believe bullshit that is not evidence. | Aug 06 18:12 |
| msb_ | Non-elemental mercury: http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19970914&slug=2560362 | Aug 06 18:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-community.seattletimes.nwsource.com | Business | Scientist's Death Traced To Seemingly Trifling Mishap -- Tiny Drop Of Mercury Spilled In Chemistry Lab Proves Deadly | Seattle Times Newspaper [ http://ur1.ca/gtj3m ] | Aug 06 18:13 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/gadgets/hackers-stealing-data-ios-major-security-flaw-n405061 | Aug 06 18:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | Hackers Stealing Data on iOS Via Major Security Flaw - NBC News [ http://ur1.ca/nde9e ] | Aug 06 18:17 | |
| DaemonFC | "Hackers are taking advantage of vulnerability in Apple's iOS mobile operating system to install malicious software disguised as popular apps such as Facebook, Twitter and WhatsApp to steal personal information. | Aug 06 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | The installation happens when a user clicks a link that may have been sent to them via email, text message or even a fake advertisement on a website, according to a new report by cybersecurity firm FireEye. | Aug 06 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | A fake and malicious app is installed that looks like the legitimate version on a user's device. And unlike the normal version of the app, the hacker's version can steal sensitive information and send it back to a remote server. " | Aug 06 18:17 |
| MinceR | msb_: sorry, i don't have any more time to deal with your lies and propaganda, i have errands to run | Aug 06 18:17 |
| msb_ | Be careful you don't get run over by a bus. | Aug 06 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | [18:08] <MinceR> where "provably" means "gainsaid by a site that also believes that chemtrails exist and vaccines cause autism" | Aug 06 19:11 |
| schestowitz | I just caught up with this long conversation | Aug 06 19:11 |
| schestowitz | the sites msb_ recommends hardly promote these theories | Aug 06 19:11 |
| schestowitz | unless he advocates sites not in the list he gave | Aug 06 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Putin did prepare nukes when the ukraine conflict started | Aug 06 19:12 |
| schestowitz | as a backup plan or just in case | Aug 06 19:12 |
| schestowitz | what he's alleged to have said was covered in CIA-leaning sites | Aug 06 19:12 |
| schestowitz | even the Torygraph | Aug 06 19:12 |
| schestowitz | I think the point he was making is, IF he wanted, he could invade | Aug 06 19:12 |
| schestowitz | but that doesn't mean that he will invade | Aug 06 19:12 |
| schestowitz | I think he's a real dick (putinin), but not much worse than US oligarchs | Aug 06 19:13 |
| schestowitz | he was in KGB for many years, he's not dumb | Aug 06 19:13 |
| msb_ | Correct. And everything between Russia and Ukraine was quiet until the US installed the Nazi govt in Ukraine. | Aug 06 19:14 |
| schestowitz | NATO still wants to crush his nations, he can't just totally sit idly while US engages in espionage against Russia | Aug 06 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Snowden's leaks and Wikileaks before him show just how actively the US tries to derail BRIC nations | Aug 06 19:14 |
| schestowitz | even allies like India | Aug 06 19:14 |
| schestowitz | They're all major "targets" | Aug 06 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Russians would be wise to do counterespionage (there's another term for it in German) | Aug 06 19:15 |
| schestowitz | there's a fancy word for it | Aug 06 19:15 |
| schestowitz | when it's sort of done defensively | Aug 06 19:15 |
| schestowitz | like cracking that who spies on you to see how he or she breaks into your systems | Aug 06 19:15 |
| schestowitz | US did some of that in NK | Aug 06 19:15 |
| schestowitz | before hypocritically accusing NK of breaking into Sony (then China re OPM, after NSA had cracked Huawei and CN gov.) | Aug 06 19:16 |
| schestowitz | I'm more afraid of Russia than the US | Aug 06 19:16 |
| schestowitz | but US is currently far more destructive than Russia, and far more powerful | Aug 06 19:16 |
| msb_ | Well, the US isn't going to attack England. | Aug 06 19:16 |
| schestowitz | right | Aug 06 19:16 |
| schestowitz | if I was in Hungary, I'd be thinking more like MinceR | Aug 06 19:17 |
| schestowitz | east Europe is treated like the lost treasures of USSR, which Putin served while in KGB | Aug 06 19:17 |
| schestowitz | Same with Alaska | Aug 06 19:17 |
| msb_ | He thinks that way because of Soviet actions against Hungary 60 years ago. | Aug 06 19:18 |
| msb_ | He admits it. | Aug 06 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Historically, the Russia-Scotland-England situation is tricky | Aug 06 19:18 |
| schestowitz | like Cuban missile crisis | Aug 06 19:18 |
| schestowitz | and our stupid Tory leaders compare Putin to Hitler | Aug 06 19:18 |
| schestowitz | who attacked USSR | Aug 06 19:18 |
| schestowitz | killing 10 million Russians | Aug 06 19:18 |
| schestowitz | As if Cameron and the 'royal' family aren't being provocative | Aug 06 19:19 |
| msb_ | The Cuban missile crisis was actually the NATO missile crisis. | Aug 06 19:19 |
| msb_ | More like 20-30 million. | Aug 06 19:19 |
| schestowitz | if anything, it's them who have blood relation/proximity to Hitler | Aug 06 19:19 |
| schestowitz | inc. political support pre-ww2 | Aug 06 19:19 |
| schestowitz | msb_: depends if you also count Stalin killing his own people | Aug 06 19:19 |
| msb_ | Wealthy US businessmen financed Hitler 75%. I've given the url. | Aug 06 19:20 |
| schestowitz | or if you factor that in as externality of war time | Aug 06 19:20 |
| schestowitz | msb_: not all of them | Aug 06 19:20 |
| schestowitz | but some | Aug 06 19:20 |
| schestowitz | some with german roots, I suppose | Aug 06 19:20 |
| msb_ | right | Aug 06 19:20 |
| schestowitz | or west european | Aug 06 19:20 |
| schestowitz | same goes for Brits | Aug 06 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Some Nazis were openly pro-hitler inside the UK | Aug 06 19:20 |
| schestowitz | But it's embarrassing even for them after the wat | Aug 06 19:21 |
| schestowitz | *war | Aug 06 19:21 |
| schestowitz | The US was pro-Nazi in German ethnic sections | Aug 06 19:21 |
| msb_ | http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_Nazis | Aug 06 19:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone | Aug 06 19:21 | |
| schestowitz | To the point of doing lots of the same Nazis did in the early 30s | Aug 06 19:21 |
| schestowitz | this too isn't talked about much | Aug 06 19:21 |
| msb_ | Those American businessmen financed Hitler to destroy socialism. | Aug 06 19:21 |
| msb_ | It had nothing to do with German ethnicity. | Aug 06 19:22 |
| schestowitz | you could be in some city in the US, seeing blacks lynched one day and Jews beaten up on another, the US was very racist at the time | Aug 06 19:22 |
| schestowitz | not socialism | Aug 06 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Hitler was National Socialist | Aug 06 19:22 |
| schestowitz | neither left nor right, he claimed | Aug 06 19:22 |
| msb_ | They didn't want countries to go socialist because it would kill their profits. | Aug 06 19:22 |
| schestowitz | maybe you mean communist | Aug 06 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Bolsheviks | Aug 06 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Marxist | Aug 06 19:23 |
| msb_ | "National Socialist" was a lying propaganda term. | Aug 06 19:23 |
| schestowitz | it's what they called themselves | Aug 06 19:23 |
| msb_ | They called themselves that because socialism was popular at the time. | Aug 06 19:23 |
| schestowitz | that's like saying Democrats don't believe they promote democracy | Aug 06 19:23 |
| msb_ | But they killed socialists everywhere they could. | Aug 06 19:24 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I think that's how US democrats work. | Aug 06 19:24 |
| schestowitz | Bolsheviks | Aug 06 19:24 |
| XRevan86 | labels != ideas | Aug 06 19:24 |
| schestowitz | groups that were pro-Marxist were hounded | Aug 06 19:24 |
| msb_ | Socialism kills the 99% profits going to the 1% capitalist owners | Aug 06 19:24 |
| schestowitz | See who's blamed for Reichstag fire | Aug 06 19:25 |
| XRevan86 | It's like saying North Korea is communist because they like red. | Aug 06 19:25 |
| msb_ | That's why capitalists attacked socialists/communists/Marxists. | Aug 06 19:25 |
| schestowitz | so it goes to 1% of the pyramid schemers in so-called marxism | Aug 06 19:25 |
| schestowitz | !google list of russian oligarchs | Aug 06 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Russian oligarch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_oligarch | Aug 06 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - List of Russian people by net worth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_people_by_net_worth | Aug 06 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - The Russian Oligarchs | Who's living the most obscenely ... | http://www.therussianoligarchs.com/ | Aug 06 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Russian oligarchs that own western companies - Business Insider | http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-oligarchs-that-own-western-companies-2015-2%3Fop%3D1 | Aug 06 19:25 |
| msb_ | Not in Venezuela, Libya, Vietnam, Cuba | Aug 06 19:26 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: they call themselves people's and democracy | Aug 06 19:26 |
| schestowitz | they're like singapore | Aug 06 19:26 |
| schestowitz | necropoly | Aug 06 19:26 |
| schestowitz | worshiping that arsehole who claims to have founded Singapore | Aug 06 19:26 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: That doesn't make them democratic, right? | Aug 06 19:26 |
| schestowitz | meaning, separated the city from Malaysia | Aug 06 19:26 |
| msb_ | There are actual real socialist nations, where the profits go to the workers. | Aug 06 19:27 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: And so Nazi Germany can take their socialism claims where they got them. | Aug 06 19:27 |
| XRevan86 | (21:25:20) schestowitz: so it goes to 1% of the pyramid schemers in so-called marxism | Aug 06 19:27 |
| XRevan86 | (21:25:28) schestowitz: !google list of russian oligarchs | Aug 06 19:27 |
| XRevan86 | that I don't understand | Aug 06 19:27 |
| schestowitz | fascism and socialism are labels | Aug 06 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Did Stalin and Lenon use these? | Aug 06 19:28 |
| msb_ | But they are labels of opposites. | Aug 06 19:28 |
| schestowitz | *Lenin | Aug 06 19:28 |
| msb_ | Fascism=Corporatism has the profits going to the richest 0.1% | Aug 06 19:28 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Imagine there's no countries :) | Aug 06 19:28 |
| XRevan86 | and no religion too | Aug 06 19:28 |
| msb_ | Socialism distributes profits fairly equally among everyone. | Aug 06 19:28 |
| schestowitz | msb_: that's not what fascism is | Aug 06 19:28 |
| schestowitz | it's what it often becomes in practice | Aug 06 19:29 |
| schestowitz | esp. in NATO | Aug 06 19:29 |
| msb_ | That's what it was in Germany. | Aug 06 19:29 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Terms can easily be misused. And that's what is being done a lot. | Aug 06 19:29 |
| msb_ | That | Aug 06 19:29 |
| schestowitz | there's classic definition | Aug 06 19:29 |
| schestowitz | when they're made up | Aug 06 19:29 |
| msb_ | That's why those wealthy americans supported it. | Aug 06 19:29 |
| schestowitz | then de facto | Aug 06 19:29 |
| schestowitz | and distorted, present | Aug 06 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Now the word "libertarian" means something like Rand and Ron Paul | Aug 06 19:30 |
| schestowitz | who are more like GOP in terms of many of their policies | Aug 06 19:30 |
| schestowitz | !google chomsky explains libertarian | Aug 06 19:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Noam Chomsky Explains Libertarian Socialism - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DsCN7Ykle4r0 | Aug 06 19:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Noam Chomsky educates AnCap about Libertarianism - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DGUs_Q_rfl9I | Aug 06 19:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Noam Chomsky on Libertarians and Ron Paul - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DAwQEgOKEEXI | Aug 06 19:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Noam Chomsky: The Kind of Anarchism I Believe in, and What's ... | http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/noam-chomsky-kind-anarchism-i-believe-and-whats-wrong-libertarians | Aug 06 19:30 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Totally unrelated to the present discussion. | Aug 06 19:31 |
| schestowitz | right now anarchism just alludes to primitivist sub-type | Aug 06 19:31 |
| schestowitz | like Unabomber | Aug 06 19:31 |
| msb_ | Hitler attacked the USSR and murdered 20 million. | Aug 06 19:31 |
| schestowitz | 10m troops | Aug 06 19:31 |
| msb_ | XRevan86 says 30 million. | Aug 06 19:31 |
| schestowitz | a little short of that | Aug 06 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Stalin 'helped' by killing his own people, and east Europeans whom he deemed unworthy of life | Aug 06 19:31 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties | Aug 06 19:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | World War II casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/ikzcj ] | Aug 06 19:32 | |
| msb_ | If the Nazis had been socialists they would not have attacked the USSR. | Aug 06 19:33 |
| MinceR | i think the current situation with russia proves that russia didn't change at all and didn't learn anything since the soviet union existed. | Aug 06 19:33 |
| schestowitz | "Officially, roughly 8.7 million Soviet soldiers died in the course of the war." | Aug 06 19:33 |
| MinceR | and that should be worrying to everyone in the civilized world | Aug 06 19:33 |
| msb_ | Plus many Russian civilians. | Aug 06 19:34 |
| MinceR | 202353 < msb_> They called themselves that because socialism was popular at the time. | Aug 06 19:34 |
| MinceR | yet fascism and state socialism function very similarly | Aug 06 19:34 |
| MinceR | in practice | Aug 06 19:34 |
| msb_ | Not in Venezuela, Libya, Vietnam, Cuba | Aug 06 19:35 |
| MinceR | afaik the north korean regime and ideology descends from the brand of state socialism that russia promoted | Aug 06 19:35 |
| MinceR | afaik venezuela and cuba are little different | Aug 06 19:36 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: No, you're wrong. | Aug 06 19:36 |
| MinceR | i haven't looked into libya too deeply yet (apparently they called themselves socialist) | Aug 06 19:36 |
| XRevan86 | What else can I answer to all that categorical stuff? | Aug 06 19:36 |
| MinceR | vietnam seems to be pursuing a methodology similar to that of red china | Aug 06 19:36 |
| msb_ | In those nations ordinary working people get most of the profits. | Aug 06 19:37 |
| schestowitz | is there a non-red China? | Aug 06 19:37 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: you could take a page from msb_'s book and flat out scream that i'm lying. | Aug 06 19:37 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: yes, the republic of china, also known as taiwan | Aug 06 19:37 |
| schestowitz | ah, rpc? | Aug 06 19:37 |
| schestowitz | taiwan claims independence | Aug 06 19:37 |
| schestowitz | and would fight for it (people would) | Aug 06 19:37 |
| schestowitz | but china keeps them boiling like a frog in the pot | Aug 06 19:37 |
| XRevan86 | > afaik the north korean regime and ideology descends from the brand of state socialism that russia promoted | Aug 06 19:38 |
| schestowitz | they got em by the balls, taipei has high gdp and prides itself in the national brand, might as well use the "taiwan" name for marketing | Aug 06 19:38 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: "Cargo cult" descends from civilization in a similiar way. | Aug 06 19:38 |
| *schestowitz thought NK -like VT - inspired mostly by Chinese across the border, not Russia | Aug 06 19:39 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: You can call China a proxy here :). | Aug 06 19:39 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: ROC | Aug 06 19:39 |
| schestowitz | curve | Aug 06 19:39 |
| MinceR | afaik they don't have enough of an army to fight red china | Aug 06 19:39 |
| XRevan86 | or chinese whispers, heh | Aug 06 19:40 |
| schestowitz | but they can do guerilla war | Aug 06 19:40 |
| MinceR | (afaik pretty much nobody has in the region, except maybe russia) | Aug 06 19:40 |
| schestowitz | like Vietcong did to defeat the US and drive them out of the peninsula | Aug 06 19:40 |
| msb_ | Look at all the attacks on socialist nations and leaders by the US. See the 55 chapter headings: http://williamblum.org/books/killing-hope | Aug 06 19:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-williamblum.org | Killing Hope – William Blum [ http://ur1.ca/ndf5y ] | Aug 06 19:40 | |
| schestowitz | they don't need to invade china, just reduce the incentive to occupy by upping the occupiers' cost (consent at home, bodycount, material cost) | Aug 06 19:41 |
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| msb_ | There's only one thing in common in all of those dozens of US attacks on socialists. The desire to kill socialism so the 1% capitalist owners get the profits instead of the 99% working people. | Aug 06 19:43 |
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| MinceR | if we overlook the fact that in state socialism, pretty much all the profit goes to the dictator/inner party | Aug 06 19:43 |
| MinceR | nominally of course they own everything on behalf of the people | Aug 06 19:44 |
| MinceR | but as one of the people you get to discuss that with the [secret] police | Aug 06 19:44 |
| XRevan86 | That reminds me of party's gold thing :). | Aug 06 19:45 |
| MinceR | in america, you can always find a party. | Aug 06 19:45 |
| MinceR | in soviet russia, the party can always find you. | Aug 06 19:45 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Your information is outdated. | Aug 06 19:45 |
| msb_ | But most of those other socialist nations were not organized like the USSR. | Aug 06 19:46 |
| msb_ | Cuba gives most of the profits to the workers, even though it limits freedoms because of constant attacks and infiltrations by the US. | Aug 06 19:46 |
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| MinceR | i doubt that | Aug 06 19:47 |
| MinceR | it certainly wasn't that way in hungary. | Aug 06 19:47 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Of course you do. You have a one-track mind and you refuse to examine evidence. You think every nation is like Hungary. | Aug 06 19:48 |
| MinceR | msb_: stop lying. | Aug 06 19:48 |
| msb_ | Good luck. You will take your delusions with you to your grave. | Aug 06 19:48 |
| XRevan86 | I tend to think Soviet Union died in times of Brezhnev. | Aug 06 19:48 |
| MinceR | it seems it hasn't died at all | Aug 06 19:49 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I think we have two different things called USSR in our heads. | Aug 06 19:49 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Putin is hiding under your bed and HE'S GOING TO GET YOU!!! | Aug 06 19:49 |
| MinceR | the official statements and labels of dictatorships are usually lies. | Aug 06 19:49 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Maybe because we concentrate on different eras. | Aug 06 19:50 |
| MinceR | msb_: his retinue wouldn't fit under my bed. | Aug 06 19:50 |
| msb_ | They are hiding up your ass. | Aug 06 19:50 |
| MinceR | they fit there even less. | Aug 06 19:50 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Also did you the term sovok? | Aug 06 19:51 |
| msb_ | Your ass is so tight only dogs can hear you fart. | Aug 06 19:51 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: doesn't ring a bell | Aug 06 19:51 |
| XRevan86 | did the heard* | Aug 06 19:51 |
| MinceR | msb_: if you don't stop the personal attacks, you will be removed from the channel. | Aug 06 19:51 |
| msb_ | MinceR: You are the one who started the personal attacks, shitpig. | Aug 06 19:52 |
| *MinceR sets ban on *!*msb_@*.hsd1.ca.comcast.net | Aug 06 19:52 | |
| *MinceR has kicked msb_ from #techrights (told you so.) | Aug 06 19:52 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: That's what Russians call the worst USSR way of thinking. | Aug 06 19:52 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: come on, we don't kick people out for differing opinions | Aug 06 19:52 |
| schestowitz | it just makes us look bad | Aug 06 19:52 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: i didn't kick him for differing opinions. | Aug 06 19:53 |
| MinceR | i kicked him for being a barbaric asshole. | Aug 06 19:53 |
| MinceR | notice that i also didn't kick him for being a deluded fascist. | Aug 06 19:53 |
| schestowitz | don't ban anyway | Aug 06 19:53 |
| schestowitz | next time ignore him | Aug 06 19:53 |
| schestowitz | he's full of crazy stuff in his mind sometimes | Aug 06 19:54 |
| schestowitz | but you're not obliged to interact | Aug 06 19:54 |
| schestowitz | I usually sigh and ignore | Aug 06 19:54 |
| MinceR | he always escalates. | Aug 06 19:55 |
| cubexyz | it's been a while since anyone's been kicked | Aug 06 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3081424 | Aug 06 19:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-support.microsoft.com | [ http://ur1.ca/ndfcs ] | Aug 06 19:57 | |
| DaemonFC | The first Windows 10 mega patch is here. | Aug 06 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | It looks like a whopper considering the number of files that it replaces. | Aug 06 19:57 |
| MinceR | of course, none of that can be displayed without javascript | Aug 06 19:58 |
| MinceR | "static html? what's that?" | Aug 06 19:58 |
| MinceR | -- microsoft | Aug 06 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.computerworld.com/article/2960315/microsoft-windows/windows-10-service-release-1-sr1-kb3081424-itbwcw.html | Aug 06 19:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.computerworld.com | Windows 10 Service Release 1 -- after just one week. Really, Microsoft? | Computerworld [ http://ur1.ca/ndfdj ] | Aug 06 19:58 | |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: What does that change? | Aug 06 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft doesn't say what it fixes. | Aug 06 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.computerworld.com/article/2960315/microsoft-windows/windows-10-service-release-1-sr1-kb3081424-itbwcw.html | Aug 06 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | Paul Thurrott says "a ton of small fixes". | Aug 06 20:00 |
| MinceR | they don't have to, you don't get to refuse "updates" anymore :> | Aug 06 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/5094/microsoft-delivers-windows-10-sr1 | Aug 06 20:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thurrott.com | Microsoft Delivers Windows 10 SR1 - Thurrott.com [ http://ur1.ca/ndfeg ] | Aug 06 20:00 | |
| MinceR | donate your pc to microsoft -- install vista10 now! | Aug 06 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | I did set it to ask me before it reboots though. | Aug 06 20:01 |
| MinceR | (also, your electricity) | Aug 06 20:01 |
| cubexyz | and your bandwidth :) | Aug 06 20:01 |
| MinceR | yeah | Aug 06 20:01 |
| MinceR | and your hardware maintenance | Aug 06 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | "While this is certainly a large update, weighing in at about 325 MB, it is of course not the first update to Windows 10: Microsoft has been issuing fixes and other updates for the system since it sort-of-not-really-wink-wink RTM’d last month. But it’s also not clear exactly what’s in this update, despite a long change list on the KB page." | Aug 06 20:02 |
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| DaemonFC | http://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2015/08/microsoft-wants-you-to-pay-12-for-dvd-playback-in-windows-10/ | Aug 06 20:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.co.uk | Microsoft wants you to pay £12 for DVD playback in Windows 10 | Ars Technica UK [ http://ur1.ca/ndfn2 ] | Aug 06 20:20 | |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft removes Windows Media Center. If you had it, they'll give you a simple DVD player app in its place. | Aug 06 20:20 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: So Windows users will simply use Kodi, right? | Aug 06 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | VLC works. | Aug 06 20:22 |
| MinceR | they'll hopefully upgrade to gnu/linux | Aug 06 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft wants $15 for the DVD player app. | Aug 06 20:22 |
| MinceR | (not systemd/linux) | Aug 06 20:22 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: Kodi seems to be a better replacement for "Media Center" thingy. | Aug 06 20:22 |
| XRevan86 | and to play videos, yes, everything will do. | Aug 06 20:23 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: If Windows users would install systemd/Linux, will you consider that an improvement? :) | Aug 06 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | "for every DVD player that Microsoft ships or sells, it has to pay a fairly large fee to include licence-encumbered codecs such as MPEG-2." | Aug 06 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | Yet those codecs are already part of Windows anyway, even without DVD playback. | Aug 06 20:23 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: They'll have to pay to themselves? | Aug 06 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | Presumably, Microsoft paid the license fee whether or not you have the DVD player. | Aug 06 20:24 |
| XRevan86 | Microsoft news: software department transacts 9000$ to the patent trolling department. | Aug 06 20:25 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: perhaps a slight improvement for a while yet | Aug 06 20:25 |
| MinceR | systemd/Linux is getting worse | Aug 06 20:26 |
| MinceR | then again, so's vista | Aug 06 20:26 |
| XRevan86 | Microsoft news: patent trolling department buys Microsoft Windows from software department for 9000$. | Aug 06 20:26 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 06 20:26 |
| MinceR | maybe they'll price the DVD player at $9900, give you a "discount" so you only have to pay $900 and then count it as "charity" with a value of $9000 | Aug 06 20:27 |
| XRevan86 | Microsoft news: crapware^W software department saves Microsoft 9000$ installations by removing the DVD player. | Aug 06 20:29 |
| MinceR | :) | Aug 06 20:29 |
| XRevan86 | s/installations // | Aug 06 20:29 |
| XRevan86 | > perhaps a slight improvement for a while yet | Aug 06 20:31 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Can I tell Arch users that Windows 10 is just as good then? %) | Aug 06 20:31 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 06 20:31 |
| MinceR | i don't know | Aug 06 20:31 |
| cubexyz | I'd say Linux with systemd is still better than windows 10 | Aug 06 20:32 |
| MinceR | the fundamental design principles are the same | Aug 06 20:32 |
| cubexyz | windows 10 doesn't come with source code | Aug 06 20:32 |
| MinceR | "make everything as complicated as possible, but no simpler" | Aug 06 20:32 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Then "Arch fundamentally is Windows 10" | Aug 06 20:32 |
| MinceR | systemd comes with unreadable source code | Aug 06 20:32 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's pretty readable even for a C program. | Aug 06 20:33 |
| MinceR | i guess i'm used to better coding standards | Aug 06 20:33 |
| XRevan86 | I've only seen OpenRC and systemd source codes. | Aug 06 20:35 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: What would you recommend? | Aug 06 20:35 |
| MinceR | pretty much any simple init you like, though i suspect that openrc is the best for linux | Aug 06 20:36 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I mean, source code. | Aug 06 20:36 |
| MinceR | coding standards? | Aug 06 20:36 |
| XRevan86 | Because OpenRC's one is a mess. | Aug 06 20:36 |
| MinceR | i haven't looked at openrc's source code yet | Aug 06 20:36 |
| XRevan86 | https://github.com/OpenRC/openrc | Aug 06 20:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | OpenRC/openrc · GitHub | Aug 06 20:37 | |
| XRevan86 | But OpenRC itself is pretty nice, yeah. | Aug 06 20:39 |
| cubexyz | I was thinking it would be neat if some distro just asked you which init system you wanted | Aug 06 20:47 |
| MinceR | indeed | Aug 06 20:47 |
| MinceR | gentoo pretty much does that | Aug 06 20:48 |
| MinceR | and so does LFS | Aug 06 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/08/buying-open-box-item-at-best-buy-you-might-get-the-previous-owners-login/ | Aug 06 20:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Best Buy fails to erase some returned devices before re-selling them | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/ndcm9 ] | Aug 06 20:49 | |
| DaemonFC | I got my phone at Best Buy, mostly because there's a special plan that you can only get there. | Aug 06 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | Sprint doesn't make it very obvious because it's the same plan they want to sell you for an additional $5 a month. | Aug 06 20:50 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: And Debian+Devuan is a choice. | Aug 06 20:53 |
| MinceR | yeah | Aug 06 20:54 |
| MinceR | at least if devuan manages to remove the filth | Aug 06 20:54 |
| MinceR | on 2015-07-19, there still were pieces held in by dependencies | Aug 06 20:55 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: From what I've seen in packages.devuan.org, they did remove systemd-shim. | Aug 06 20:55 |
| msb_ | How do you run apps that are dependent on systemd without some kinds of shims? | Aug 06 20:56 |
| MinceR | patch them to make them independent | Aug 06 20:56 |
| msb_ | Patch every app? Ridiculous. | Aug 06 20:56 |
| msb_ | When they are updated you have to patch them all again. | Aug 06 20:57 |
| MinceR | or patch them and fork them | Aug 06 20:57 |
| cubexyz | what app has to have systemd? | Aug 06 20:57 |
| MinceR | this is the situation red crap has put us into | Aug 06 20:57 |
| MinceR | on devuan, when i last tried, cups, gvfs, hplip and others depended on libsystemd0 | Aug 06 20:58 |
| msb_ | If you fork them you have to update the fork whenever the main code is updated. | Aug 06 20:58 |
| MinceR | systemd (and logind included) can be removed and the system and xfce still works | Aug 06 20:58 |
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| cubexyz | why does cups need systemd? | Aug 06 20:59 |
| MinceR | you don't _have_ to, but you might want to adopt features | Aug 06 20:59 |
| cubexyz | surely you can compile it without it | Aug 06 20:59 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: not sure, maybe logging | Aug 06 20:59 |
| MinceR | you can | Aug 06 20:59 |
| MinceR | afaik a significant part of the devuan effort is reconfiguring and rebuilding packages | Aug 06 20:59 |
| MinceR | so they don't depend on systemd parts | Aug 06 20:59 |
| MinceR | source distros have an advantage here, as you can usually tell them to omit dependencies to poetteringware and not install poetteringware | Aug 06 21:00 |
| MinceR | 215906 <@MinceR> you don't _have_ to, but you might want to adopt features | Aug 06 21:00 |
| MinceR | ...and bugfixes | Aug 06 21:00 |
| XRevan86 | > libsystemd0 | Aug 06 21:00 |
| msb_ | I updated skype, but don't have pulseaudio, so I use a fake-pulseaudio shim and it works fine. (Yeah I know skype is from Satan.) | Aug 06 21:00 |
| msb_ | That's the way to do it. | Aug 06 21:01 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's unreasonably hard to remove libsystemd dependency from all apps. | Aug 06 21:01 |
| MinceR | indeed | Aug 06 21:01 |
| XRevan86 | I mean, it is unreasonable to even try to remove that dep. | Aug 06 21:01 |
| MinceR | it's probably deliberate | Aug 06 21:01 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: An even library that does nothing without systemd? | Aug 06 21:01 |
| XRevan86 | * an evil | Aug 06 21:01 |
| msb_ | If the devuan devs are spending their time patching apps, their going to get tired of it and the whole thing will fail. | Aug 06 21:01 |
| msb_ | their -> they're | Aug 06 21:02 |
| XRevan86 | 1. pointless (just to get dpkg -l | grep systemd | wc -l show zero) 2. very hard to maintain | Aug 06 21:02 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: it wastes space, memory, etc. | Aug 06 21:03 |
| MinceR | it has no business existing on a free unix. | Aug 06 21:03 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: How many kilobytes? | Aug 06 21:03 |
| MinceR | i don't care | Aug 06 21:03 |
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| MinceR | i don't need poettering marking my computer as his territory. | Aug 06 21:03 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: If you really care about that, you have to use Gentoo. | Aug 06 21:03 |
| MinceR | i'll probably use funtoo | Aug 06 21:03 |
| XRevan86 | where you can configure with what libraries to link | Aug 06 21:04 |
| MinceR | along with bedrock and slackware and/or devuan | Aug 06 21:04 |
| XRevan86 | to save not even kilobytes | Aug 06 21:04 |
| XRevan86 | but megabytes | Aug 06 21:04 |
| MinceR | on servers, devuan or slackware will probably do | Aug 06 21:04 |
| msb_ | worrying about megabytes is pointless. Any good machine has at least a GB of ram and a TB of disk | Aug 06 21:05 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: What I mean is that Debian "wastes" megabytes of space for things you'll never use. | Aug 06 21:05 |
| MinceR | i can use those megabytes for things that matter | Aug 06 21:05 |
| XRevan86 | and libsystemd is so damn tiny in front of that | Aug 06 21:05 |
| MinceR | instead of treating my systems as the landfill where redcrap gets to dump their crap. | Aug 06 21:05 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I'm not even defending systemd now, you know. | Aug 06 21:06 |
| msb_ | buy another ram stick for god's sake | Aug 06 21:06 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: i could potentially use those things. i will never have any use for libsystemd. | Aug 06 21:06 |
| MinceR | not every system can receive "another ram stick" | Aug 06 21:06 |
| MinceR | some ultrabooks only have 1 slot. | Aug 06 21:06 |
| MinceR | also, libsystemd also consumes battery power to decide that it has nothing to do | Aug 06 21:07 |
| msb_ | If it has less than 1GB you should throw it away | Aug 06 21:07 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Because you accusation sounds like "stops doing libraries I don't like!". | Aug 06 21:07 |
| XRevan86 | your* | Aug 06 21:07 |
| MinceR | it makes more sense to remove the crap than to carry extra batteries. | Aug 06 21:07 |
| msb_ | Stomp on one side and use it as a doorstop. | Aug 06 21:07 |
| XRevan86 | like "stop libjack, I use plain ALSA" | Aug 06 21:07 |
| MinceR | msb_: lol | Aug 06 21:07 |
| MinceR | i think the memory module would break if i did that | Aug 06 21:08 |
| MinceR | it wouldn't bend | Aug 06 21:08 |
| msb_ | The door won't mind. | Aug 06 21:08 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: And the only way to purge libjack from your system is to use Gentoo. | Aug 06 21:08 |
| MinceR | also, this kind of stuff matters on raspberry pi-s | Aug 06 21:09 |
| MinceR | and other ARM SBC-s | Aug 06 21:09 |
| MinceR | also in chroots running on android devices | Aug 06 21:09 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: These wouldn't notice a loose kilobyte as well. | Aug 06 21:09 |
| msb_ | Yeah, we want to make sure Linux runs on SBCs for the poor people of the world. | Aug 06 21:09 |
| MinceR | another issue is that if you have libsystemd, you have to trust poettering's code | Aug 06 21:09 |
| msb_ | Everyone should have a computer. | Aug 06 21:10 |
| XRevan86 | and deploying gentoo there is way to tricky, it's easier to just stop counting libraries | Aug 06 21:10 |
| MinceR | and yes, it also matters on old computers | Aug 06 21:10 |
| XRevan86 | too tricky* | Aug 06 21:10 |
| MinceR | i don't need to count libraries, i just need to disable stuff that comes from an evil company. | Aug 06 21:10 |
| msb_ | I'm not saying use libsystemd. I'm saying use shims that are short and simple. | Aug 06 21:10 |
| MinceR | i have no use for shims | Aug 06 21:11 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I'm afraid to say that but RedHat made way too many commits all across GNU/Linux. | Aug 06 21:11 |
| MinceR | poettering's APIs are toxic and crap, i don't need or want implementations of them | Aug 06 21:11 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: yeah, but most of those happened before they went berserk. | Aug 06 21:11 |
| MinceR | eventually GNU/Linux will probably need to be cleaned up | Aug 06 21:11 |
| msb_ | If you don't use shims, then every time every app is updated, you have to update the patched version of it. And test it. All 10,000 of them. | Aug 06 21:13 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Do you know the initial purpose of the systemd creation? | Aug 06 21:13 |
| MinceR | hopefully sane apps will avoid this whole mess | Aug 06 21:13 |
| msb_ | That's too much to hope for. | Aug 06 21:13 |
| cubexyz | yeah I definitely don't want to see bash-systemd | Aug 06 21:13 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: not sure -- to gain leverage other redcrap's competitors, to give nsa a place to dump their backdoors, etc? | Aug 06 21:13 |
| MinceR | that's systemd-bashd | Aug 06 21:13 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's pretty simple | Aug 06 21:13 |
| MinceR | and you get to start a shell via bashctl | Aug 06 21:14 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: So there's RHEL with Upstart | Aug 06 21:14 |
| msb_ | To sabotage Linux. | Aug 06 21:14 |
| XRevan86 | Canonical wants contributors to sign the Canonical fancy rights-giving agreement. | Aug 06 21:14 |
| msb_ | Because Linux helps people be free. | Aug 06 21:14 |
| MinceR | it would have been much cleaner if redcrap forked all the stuff they wanted in their windows imitation. | Aug 06 21:14 |
| MinceR | like Linux. | Aug 06 21:14 |
| XRevan86 | Red Hat doesn't want that but want to not waste fixes made for the enterprise stuff. | Aug 06 21:14 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: redcrap could have forked upstart and ignored the CLA. | Aug 06 21:15 |
| MinceR | even upstart has a less braindead design than systemd. | Aug 06 21:15 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: They've desided that Upstart is crap. | Aug 06 21:15 |
| MinceR | it is | Aug 06 21:15 |
| MinceR | but systemd is even worse | Aug 06 21:15 |
| MinceR | upstart abuses signals and ptrace | Aug 06 21:15 |
| MinceR | systemd hijacks the entire OS | Aug 06 21:15 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Look at systemd and Upstart from a user experience. | Aug 06 21:15 |
| XRevan86 | systemd is usable and Upstart is just an ugly mess. | Aug 06 21:16 |
| MinceR | i know the effects of poetteringware on user experience, mostly from pulseaudio, networkmanager and udisks2. | Aug 06 21:16 |
| MinceR | systemd is usable, but it's a horrible mess with all sorts of weird bugs | Aug 06 21:16 |
| MinceR | and all sorts of critical bugs too | Aug 06 21:16 |
| msb_ | XRevan86: That's not a valid way to look at that stuff. The engineering principles are vitally important. | Aug 06 21:16 |
| MinceR | fedora 15 had some really weird behaviors, but at the time i didn't know why. | Aug 06 21:16 |
| msb_ | So that you don't get terrible bugs. | Aug 06 21:16 |
| XRevan86 | msb_: That's a good way enough to explain why Red Hat didn't choose to fork Upstart. | Aug 06 21:17 |
| MinceR | they could have chosen to implement something better than upstart, instead of implementing something worse than upstart | Aug 06 21:17 |
| MinceR | also, i thought redcrap said they gave up on the desktop a while ago | Aug 06 21:18 |
| MinceR | so why the sudden ricing on servers that threatens availability? | Aug 06 21:18 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: What do you mean? | Aug 06 21:18 |
| msb_ | redhate is part of the corporate/govt/fascist complex. | Aug 06 21:18 |
| MinceR | "must boot faster", at all costs, including reliability | Aug 06 21:19 |
| MinceR | which is pretty much the opposite of what's desirable on a server | Aug 06 21:19 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Poettering says faster boot is collateral to "proper init design". | Aug 06 21:19 |
| MinceR | (reliability, deterministic boot, even if it takes a little longer, because they'll reboot only rarely) | Aug 06 21:19 |
| msb_ | The fascist complex is run by psychopaths, which have non-human insectoid software. | Aug 06 21:19 |
| MinceR | poettering is talking out of his ass. | Aug 06 21:19 |
| MinceR | he has no clue what "proper init design" even is | Aug 06 21:19 |
| MinceR | or proper software design, even | Aug 06 21:19 |
| MinceR | he has delusions of adequacy. | Aug 06 21:20 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Does that answer your question? | Aug 06 21:20 |
| MinceR | if he had a clue, he'd keep pid1 as simple and robust as possible. | Aug 06 21:20 |
| msb_ | The fascist insectoids view the entire human race as their enemy/prey/food. | Aug 06 21:20 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: which question? | Aug 06 21:20 |
| MinceR | i don't think someone needs to be an insectoid to be totally corrupt and evil | Aug 06 21:20 |
| XRevan86 | > so why the sudden ricing on servers that threatens availability? | Aug 06 21:20 |
| msb_ | Linux helps people be free, which is why the insectoids want to destroy it. | Aug 06 21:20 |
| MinceR | humans seem to have managed this very well | Aug 06 21:20 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: oh. | Aug 06 21:20 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: doesn't really explain it | Aug 06 21:21 |
| msb_ | "insectoid" is a metaphor to remind us how anti-human psychopaths are. | Aug 06 21:21 |
| MinceR | oh. | Aug 06 21:21 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Because they believe they did the right thing for both servers and desktops apart from the fast boot. | Aug 06 21:21 |
| MinceR | i see. | Aug 06 21:21 |
| msb_ | That is the big Conspiracy -- the fascist/psychopath/corporate/government/insectoids vs. the human race. | Aug 06 21:23 |
| MinceR | so, more like the human species against itself | Aug 06 21:23 |
| MinceR | as always | Aug 06 21:23 |
| XRevan86 | msb_: I prefer "reptiloids", that an established term. | Aug 06 21:23 |
| XRevan86 | * that's | Aug 06 21:23 |
| msb_ | No. Psychopaths are not human. | Aug 06 21:23 |
| MinceR | i prefer "humans", judging what i've seen from the majority, it's accurate enough | Aug 06 21:24 |
| msb_ | They have human hardware (mostly) but not human software. | Aug 06 21:24 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Humans are doing plenty of good positive things. You should look at them. I mention some of them in my "manifesto". | Aug 06 21:25 |
| MinceR | yes, but it seems the minority are doing positive things | Aug 06 21:25 |
| msb_ | The rest are just asleep, not evil. | Aug 06 21:25 |
| MinceR | while the majority supports a slow relapse into more authoritarianism | Aug 06 21:25 |
| msb_ | They don't support it, they just believe and do what they're told. | Aug 06 21:26 |
| MinceR | then again, maybe i'm misled by the typical hungarian mentality i experience | Aug 06 21:26 |
| MinceR | "let the neighbor's cow die too" | Aug 06 21:26 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Hmm, I thought that's Russian. | Aug 06 21:26 |
| msb_ | Maybe so. Living under Orban can't be good for consciousness. | Aug 06 21:26 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 06 21:26 |
| MinceR | could be that too | Aug 06 21:26 |
| MinceR | ideas spread much in europe | Aug 06 21:27 |
| MinceR | this predated orban, though | Aug 06 21:27 |
| MinceR | orban is one of the symptoms | Aug 06 21:27 |
| msb_ | Stalinism is also very traumatic. | Aug 06 21:27 |
| msb_ | to the people. | Aug 06 21:28 |
| MinceR | yes, which makes it all the more baffling that these people show no motivation to promote freedom and prosperity. | Aug 06 21:28 |
| msb_ | They have been ground down too much. They don't know about good stuff like David Korten's stuff. | Aug 06 21:30 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I'll tell the Russian saying when I remember it :). | Aug 06 21:30 |
| MinceR | :) | Aug 06 21:30 |
| msb_ | And Mondragon | Aug 06 21:30 |
| msb_ | and the Woodstock Nation | Aug 06 21:31 |
| msb_ | and cannabis | Aug 06 21:31 |
| msb_ | and the Jefferson Airplane | Aug 06 21:31 |
| msb_ | All these things can work together and raise people's consciousness. | Aug 06 21:32 |
| MinceR | i doubt most hungarians even know english enough to understand that stuff | Aug 06 21:32 |
| msb_ | You should make a website and translate it into Hungarian. | Aug 06 21:33 |
| MinceR | i think it's too late already | Aug 06 21:33 |
| msb_ | I'm not tooting my own horn. I didn't invent this stuff. But I lived through it. | Aug 06 21:33 |
| msb_ | NO! It's not too late. | Aug 06 21:33 |
| msb_ | Every human child is born free.. | Aug 06 21:33 |
| MinceR | http://one-europe.info/user/files/Santino%20Santinelli/European_Workers_Infographic.jpg | Aug 06 21:34 |
| msb_ | And adults can free themselves if they access the right kind of stuff. | Aug 06 21:34 |
| MinceR | even if i made such a website it wouldn't be promoted | Aug 06 21:35 |
| MinceR | it would remain unknown | Aug 06 21:35 |
| msb_ | So promote it! | Aug 06 21:35 |
| msb_ | Talk about it on yahoo lists. | Aug 06 21:35 |
| MinceR | also, i'm not much of a writer | Aug 06 21:35 |
| MinceR | and i haven't learned much about psychology | Aug 06 21:35 |
| msb_ | You're good enough. | Aug 06 21:35 |
| MinceR | (and how to influence people) | Aug 06 21:35 |
| msb_ | Just flat out tell people. Don' | Aug 06 21:36 |
| msb_ | Don't try to influence them. | Aug 06 21:36 |
| msb_ | Start with this, translate it, and modify it however you want: http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html | Aug 06 21:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | THE CAUSE AND CURE OF HUMANITY'S PROBLEMS [ http://ur1.ca/n52a6 ] | Aug 06 21:37 | |
| msb_ | Don't give up. | Aug 06 21:37 |
| msb_ | Stop giving up before you even start. | Aug 06 21:37 |
| msb_ | It sounds like you're depressed. | Aug 06 21:38 |
| msb_ | Eat some chocolate. Smoke some cannabis. Love someone. | Aug 06 21:38 |
| msb_ | Breathe! | Aug 06 21:40 |
| msb_ | Snuggle a cat. | Aug 06 21:40 |
| schestowitz | msb_: Uk/GB missing from this chart (?! | Aug 06 21:41 |
| msb_ | MinceR: You have cats in Hungary right? And they're not poisonous like in Australia. | Aug 06 21:41 |
| schestowitz | oops, I meant MinceR | Aug 06 21:42 |
| schestowitz | UK is not in this chart | Aug 06 21:42 |
| schestowitz | which I find odd | Aug 06 21:42 |
| schestowitz | I reckon it scores low | Aug 06 21:42 |
| schestowitz | maybe it didn't make it to the top at all | Aug 06 21:42 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Why would it? | Aug 06 21:42 |
| schestowitz | in uk it's assumed the world must know English | Aug 06 21:42 |
| schestowitz | and that therefore we don't need to learn a second language | Aug 06 21:43 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Well, duh. | Aug 06 21:43 |
| msb_ | Maybe they figure ugly Americans don't know any languages. But I can read French, a little. | Aug 06 21:43 |
| schestowitz | US teaches some Spanish at least | Aug 06 21:43 |
| schestowitz | but it's not far better for ployglots | Aug 06 21:43 |
| schestowitz | whereas any non-English-speaking country teaches English | Aug 06 21:44 |
| schestowitz | near China it can be Mandarin too | Aug 06 21:44 |
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| msb_ | US doesn't have to teach spanish. Half the people here are Mexicans. | Aug 06 21:44 |
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| DaemonFC | http://trib.al/6NRptcg | Aug 06 21:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Waiting for Android’s inevitable security Armageddon | Ars Technica | Aug 06 21:48 | |
| DaemonFC | I commented: | Aug 06 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | Still waiting on actual Stagefright malware. (Android's defense-in-depth makes it practically unworkable.) (In other news, iOS has been getting actual malware and you won't cover that at all.) Like that Obama Anger Translator said, "Oh, CNN - thank you so much for the WALL TO WALL Ebola coverage. For two whole weeks we were one step away from The Walking Dead . And then y'all got up and just moved on to the next thing." | Aug 06 21:48 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: yeah, that's weird | Aug 06 21:50 |
| MinceR | and i'm not even sure if it's the same chart i saw earlier | Aug 06 21:50 |
| MinceR | but the point is visible, hungary is at the bottom | Aug 06 21:50 |
| MinceR | i thought spanish was a pretty widespread language | Aug 06 21:51 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Are there chocolate-chip cookies where you live? | Aug 06 21:51 |
| MinceR | most of south america, etc. | Aug 06 21:51 |
| MinceR | msb_: yes | Aug 06 21:51 |
| MinceR | subway's are pretty damn good if they're fresh | Aug 06 21:51 |
| MinceR | the stuff you can buy ready in shops is not that great, but still enjoyable | Aug 06 21:51 |
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| msb_ | Get some of the good ones. With nuts. | Aug 06 21:52 |
| MinceR | it's cute how arse technica pretends these bad security practices are exclusive to android | Aug 06 21:52 |
| MinceR | even though most mobile platforms do the exact same thing | Aug 06 21:52 |
| MinceR | and IoT platforms too | Aug 06 21:52 |
| msb_ | MinceR: I suggest you watch the movies mentioned in Cause and Cure. They can all be found in the naughty place. | Aug 06 21:55 |
| MinceR | naughty place :) | Aug 06 21:56 |
| msb_ | British Telecomm | Aug 06 21:56 |
| MinceR | Brian Transeau | Aug 06 21:57 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Aug 06 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | 2 mins · Edited · | Aug 06 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | When a group of Apple fanboys were given a phone running Android and told it was an iPhone running iOS 9, they had nothing but good things to say about it. | Aug 06 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | "People said the software, which they believed to be iOS 9, looked nicer and felt more practical than iOS 8." | Aug 06 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-fans-difference-ios-android-video-2015-8 | Aug 06 22:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | Apple fans can't tell the difference between iOS and Android - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/ndgog ] | Aug 06 22:10 | |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer If users want to get updates for their phone as they are released, they are perfectly free to load CyanogenMod or a different Android ROM. In fact, Android phones are surprisingly hard to kill. The Galaxy S2 runs Android 5.1.1 pretty well. What can you do with an Apple phone from 2011? Amazon's trade-in website will give you $5 for letting them scrap it. That's....pretty much it. Pretty much every Apple phone sold today will be | Aug 06 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | in a landfill about three years from now. These fools buy the Apple line that they care about the environment hook, line, and sinker just because this foul company installs a solar panel or two to get federal tax credits (on the money it isn't hiding overseas). | Aug 06 22:36 |
| MinceR | that's nice, because the battery is hazardous waste and as such it probably shouldn't be in a landfill :> | Aug 06 22:37 |
| MinceR | another point for removable batteries | Aug 06 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, What do you think a person is going to do? Box up their phone and send it in for $5 whole dollars or chuck it in the trash? | Aug 06 22:39 |
| MinceR | dunno | Aug 06 22:40 |
| MinceR | i think they're supposed to hand it in at an electronics store, where they handle such waste | Aug 06 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | The iPhone 6 Plus is going in the kitchen trash of just about everyone who bought one by 2017. | Aug 06 22:40 |
| MinceR | i just keep my old electronics, there isn't that much of it | Aug 06 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | You can have Samsung swap the battery out on a Galaxy S6. | Aug 06 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | It's free if it fails in the first year, and $45 past then. | Aug 06 22:41 |
| MinceR | you can swap it out yourself on a galaxy note ii lte | Aug 06 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | Most users will do it maybe once, tops. | Aug 06 22:41 |
| MinceR | it's sad that samsung caved to the demands of brainless crApple fanboys | Aug 06 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | I won't, because I'm on a lease. | Aug 06 22:42 |
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| cubexyz | did an interesting experiment today | Aug 06 22:58 |
| cubexyz | there was a scp command that soaks up all the bandwidth on the router | Aug 06 22:59 |
| cubexyz | so other ssh sessions were slow | Aug 06 22:59 |
| cubexyz | but the serial link was still relatively fast | Aug 06 22:59 |
| MinceR | msb_: wait, what? poisonous cats? | Aug 06 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer "History, sadly, has often shown us that older iPhone devices are left stranded without an easy path for OS updates. If it's more than 3 years old, about all you can use it for is an iPod or sell it for $5 for scrap. Assuming that it even makes it that long before the battery is dead or it falls off your coffee table and shatters." Fixed it for you. | Aug 06 23:07 |
| MinceR | i'm almost sure the only venomous mammal is the platypus | Aug 06 23:08 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: or it turns into a bomb :> | Aug 06 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, If I had a dollar for every "It fell off the coffee table and shattered....so now I have to go buy another one." iPhone story, I could buy one of the islands in the Florida keys and spend the rest of my life drinking little umbrella drinks. | Aug 06 23:10 |
| MinceR | :D | Aug 06 23:10 |
| MinceR | you'd think they'd learn to keep it in their pockets or belt case | Aug 06 23:10 |
| MinceR | but then you remember they're crApple lusers | Aug 06 23:11 |
| MinceR | and of course if it's in the pocket or case, it's not in plain view | Aug 06 23:14 |
| MinceR | and the whole point is to show it off | Aug 06 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer The biggest thing holding back the Android phones with decent specs is that developers are porting the apps, which were designed for lesser hardware, like iPhones and budget Androids. That's the real issue. Once you eliminate the <$200 Androids and the iPhone, you're left with phones that could do so much more. The real reason why you can get a crap Android phone and still run most of the apps is because they're being ported | Aug 06 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | from iPhones. | Aug 06 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Then there's always the "I bought a waterproof case and went swimming with my iPhone, and now it won't work because the case didn't seal properly.". | Aug 06 23:23 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 06 23:23 |
| MinceR | can't part with the pointless gadget even for a swim | Aug 06 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | Of course not. How else do you play Candy Crush while you're at the water park? :) | Aug 06 23:24 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 06 23:24 |
| MinceR | i doubt you can, since that touchscreen is not designed to be usable when wet | Aug 06 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | True. Even if the case performs to spec, you still can't use the screen with wet fingers. | Aug 06 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | I wish they'd port K9 Mail to the PC. | Aug 06 23:28 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer - What game are you playing on your Mac? Doom 3 and not even the BFG Edition? "A portal to Hell has opened up on your Mac." No, no, not iTunes! Well, yeah, iTunes too... | Aug 06 23:54 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 06 23:55 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Interesting. The headlines show that the Dow is down but don't mention that it's almost entirely due to Apple. | Aug 07 00:02 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 07 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | The stock has gone down so much that it's wiped out $120 billion dollars. | Aug 07 00:02 |
| MinceR | so, in addition to not calling out winblows, they also won't call out macos | Aug 07 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | McDonalds is worth $90 billion. The whole company. | Aug 07 00:02 |
| MinceR | oh, you mean the index is down, not the service? :> | Aug 07 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. | Aug 07 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | Apple's stock has been crashing. | Aug 07 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | People are selling it off like mad. | Aug 07 00:03 |
| MinceR | nice | Aug 07 00:03 |
| MinceR | what happened? | Aug 07 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | Jim Cramer is even telling people to get rid of it now. | Aug 07 00:03 |
| MinceR | people realized that crApple products are crap? | Aug 07 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think it was any one thing. | Aug 07 00:04 |
| MinceR | the cult realized that jobs is dead? | Aug 07 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | Lack of new products. Apple Music is fucking broken. They missed their target number of iPhone sales. | Aug 07 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | Apparently, there's 11 million people on Apple Music right now, but they're all in their 3 month free trial. | Aug 07 00:04 |
| MinceR | i see | Aug 07 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | So, they could all just cancel it a day before it runs out and never pay anything, but Apple owes the record companies money for every song played. | Aug 07 00:05 |
| MinceR | i hope they do that | Aug 07 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | Apple could absorb the loss, but their investors probably wouldn't be amused. | Aug 07 00:05 |
| MinceR | it would be a worthy punishment for propping up DRM and the like | Aug 07 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Yeah. I might sign up for the Android version and play music 24 hours a day for three months. | Aug 07 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | When I go away, just turn the volume down. | Aug 07 00:06 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 07 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | It'll work on Windows too, so I can leave it going on my PC all the time. | Aug 07 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | Apple would end up paying the record companies about $300, and then I discontinue the subscription before I owe Apple anything. | Aug 07 00:08 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Apple knew it would lose money in the first three months, so they originally weren't going to pay for anything the user played. | Aug 07 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | Then the RIAA and the labels and the musicians complained. | Aug 07 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | So Apple will pay them the going rate of about 0.009 cents per song. | Aug 07 00:09 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 07 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | Taylor Swift even got involved, accusing Apple of piracy. | Aug 07 00:10 |
| DaemonFC | and threatening to remove all her stuff | Aug 07 00:10 |
| DaemonFC | It's not on Spotify. Nobody with any taste in music cares. | Aug 07 00:10 |
| DaemonFC | Must be why Apple does. | Aug 07 00:10 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 07 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Joffrey_Baratheon | Aug 07 00:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gameofthrones.wikia.com | Joffrey Baratheon - Game of Thrones Wiki [ http://ur1.ca/ndhlt ] | Aug 07 00:11 | |
| DaemonFC | "We've had vicious kings, and we've had idiot kings, but I don't know if we've ever been cursed with a vicious idiot for a king!" | Aug 07 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | ―Tyrion Lannister, summarizing his nephew Joffrey Baratheon | Aug 07 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | Hmm, sounds like George W. Bush. | Aug 07 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | Congress has been getting more and more irrelevant. | Aug 07 00:13 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 07 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | Between the Supreme Court making up the law as it goes and the presidents ignoring the law... | Aug 07 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | The law is more like a series of suggestions. | Aug 07 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | For all of their windblowing, the budgets that they end up passing look remarkably like what the president requested to begin with. | Aug 07 00:15 |
| MinceR | "the Code is more what you'd call guidelines than actual rules" | Aug 07 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | The real argument between the two parties is whether the federal government spends 21% of the economy or 19%. | Aug 07 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | You'd swear they were arguing over 10% vs. 90%. | Aug 07 00:15 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 07 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | Spending priorities are somewhat different, but the deficits that would result aren't that different. | Aug 07 00:16 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayre%27s_law | Aug 07 00:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Sayre's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/dwelr ] | Aug 07 00:16 | |
| DaemonFC | We're talking about a 3% annual deficit vs. a 2.8% annual deficit. | Aug 07 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | relative to gdp | Aug 07 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, What's funny is that if we were in Europe, we'd qualify as "fiscally responsible" and qualified to sign on to the Euro. | Aug 07 00:18 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 07 00:18 |
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| DaemonFC | The banks don't want government budgets that balance, and so they don't. | Aug 07 00:18 |
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| DaemonFC | The only thing stopping me from rooting my phone is that it's in the leasing contract that if you do that, the device is considered broken for purposes of being returned to Sprint. | Aug 07 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | That means that at the end of the lease, you have to pay the $200 buyout option and keep the phone. | Aug 07 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, the device can be deemed broken for just about any reason. | Aug 07 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | If it has a nick on it somewhere, it's "broken". | Aug 07 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | So I put it in the mother of all cases and it should be in good shape when I take it back. | Aug 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz | send your mother in | Aug 07 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, with her iPhone 6 Plus. Barf. | Aug 07 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | The thing is fucking impossible to use. | Aug 07 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | I know. I've used it. | Aug 07 00:25 |
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| DaemonFC | She was running iOS 8.3 on it because the only thing that signifies that there's an OTA update is a little red dot on the Settings icon. | Aug 07 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | So, I updated it to 8.4, two months after it was released. :/ | Aug 07 00:26 |
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| MinceR | https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware/hardware-changes-post-windows-10-upgrade/24ccc0d2-c2e0-4762-80b5-12c9350a694c?auth=1 | Aug 07 00:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-answers.microsoft.com | Hardware Changes Post Windows 10 upgrade - Microsoft Community [ http://ur1.ca/ndhr9 ] | Aug 07 00:34 | |
| MinceR | the famous micro$oft "support" | Aug 07 00:34 |
| MinceR | support retard can't answer even one question | Aug 07 00:34 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer shared Squidward Fucking Tentaclesㅇ's photo. | Aug 07 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | Just now · | Aug 07 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | Maybe you should. Cortana is an INTELLIGENT personal assistant with a great voice. Siri sounds like what you get when you dial a disconnected telephone number, and about as helpful too. | Aug 07 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/s526x395/11813424_950383315019208_4994696618367706322_n.jpg?oh=fddd8bb066bf3713528ef1387b42401f&oe=564C4033 | Aug 07 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | Google can find anything, but sounds like my second grade teacher. | Aug 07 01:51 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines TechValidate surveys Red Hat Enterprise Linux | Aug 07 09:14 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Arma 3 Is Coming to Linux as a Non-Native Port | Aug 07 09:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | from Bohemia Interactive http://t.co/46QiyuHTtm | Aug 07 09:14 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/01micko/status/629572084411183105 | Aug 07 09:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@01micko: @schestowitz we too have to consider that 'smartphones' are still in their infancy. Bigger and "better" will come. | Aug 07 09:39 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GrabYerAnkles: @schestowitz 1st took guards off tubes; drivers now do work of 2 people. Taxi driver earn +£25k to carry 4 people. Packed tube carries +1000 | Aug 07 09:54 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open-source software boost for public health | Aug 07 10:08 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines openSUSE Leap 42 Might Land on November 4, | Aug 07 10:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tumbleweed Gets LibreOffice 5.0 | Aug 07 10:19 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "Onie is a small, Linux based operating system | Aug 07 10:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | that runs on a bare-metal switch." | Aug 07 10:19 |
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| DaemonFC | Ars Technica | Aug 07 10:22 |
| DaemonFC | 16 hrs · | Aug 07 10:22 |
| DaemonFC | As always, wipe the devices yourself. | Aug 07 10:22 |
| DaemonFC | http://trib.al/J54NAyz | Aug 07 10:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Best Buy fails to erase some returned devices before re-selling them | Ars Technica | Aug 07 10:22 | |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer Before I traded in my LG G2 for the Galaxy S6, I removed all my apps and files and ran a free space wiper over all the free space, then I encrypted the phone, then I decrypted it, then I reset the phone to factory settings. Good luck getting my info out of that thing. Seriously, who turns in a device that's permanently logged into their accounts? Only an Apple user. Christ. I keep telling people there's a price to be paid for | Aug 07 10:22 |
| DaemonFC | making computers for emo kids and senior citizens. | Aug 07 10:22 |
| DaemonFC | Oh, and the Apple TV sucks as bad as anything else Apple makes. HBO tweeted "We know how we'll be watching the next season of Game of Thrones.". I would have tweeted back, "If it's on Apple TV, by rebooting it every time it goes into permanent buffering spinny beach ball mode?". | Aug 07 10:24 |
| DaemonFC | , but I didn't use Twitter then. | Aug 07 10:24 |
| DaemonFC | It works on Android or Android+Chromecast now, so I might have to pick up a Chromecast. They're only $35. | Aug 07 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer shared John Antonio's photo. | Aug 07 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | Just now · | Aug 07 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | LMAO! | Aug 07 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11825762_10205008461066310_5816740742907296271_n.jpg?oh=c24ffb52a31816231bab31515d59d5f2&oe=56409617 | Aug 07 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | http://gizmodo.com/the-worst-apple-store-customer-horror-story-1722558371 | Aug 07 10:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gizmodo.com | The Worst Apple Store Customer Horror Story [ http://ur1.ca/ndljf ] | Aug 07 10:30 | |
| DaemonFC | " I just want you to either fix my phone or get me a new one. Now, like, right now. Otherwise I’m going to leave this shitty fucking phone here and get a Samsung. " | Aug 07 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | Provlem solved. | Aug 07 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | "Frankly, you guys trying to go above and beyond in terms of helping me makes me sick, I ask you to fix my phone and you want me to drive to another store to get it replaced. No, I don’t want a iPhone Five, if you’re going to give me a new phone I want a Six Plus. You guys screwed up by not having it in stock and I want you to take care of it." | Aug 07 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | Sounds about like "one of them". | Aug 07 10:33 |
| MinceR | they get the customers they deserve | Aug 07 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiyMx7rDKAM | Aug 07 10:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | [ Orginal ] Lady goes crazy at an Apple Store - Woman Freaks Out At Apple Store - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/ndll3 ] | Aug 07 10:37 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/politics/trump-proudly-admits-he-buys-politicians-including-almost-everyone-on-stage-with-him-video/ | Aug 07 10:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ifyouonlynews.com | Trump Proudly ADMITS He Buys Politicians — Including Almost Everyone On Stage With Him (VIDEO) | If You Only News [ http://ur1.ca/ndlno ] | Aug 07 10:47 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/629583033046315008 | Aug 07 10:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gnutelephony: @schestowitz exactly the kind of thing you would expect a failing company to do... | Aug 07 10:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/coryxoxo/status/629584422593900544 | Aug 07 10:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@coryxoxo: @schestowitz Ain't nobody trying to leaves-drop on trees. | Aug 07 10:49 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The funny part was her phone was out of warranty and she hadn't bought a protection plan, so they were well within their rights to tell her tough luck and go buy yourself a new phone. | Aug 07 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | They probably only gave her a new one for free to get rid of her, and because Apple customers buy so much crap that they make a fortune off of you even losing the phone sale. | Aug 07 10:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 07 10:53 |
| schestowitz | Kerry is a master bullshitter who probably took lessons from the Clinton’s. | Aug 07 10:53 |
| schestowitz | https://youtu.be/nS_vLTTIZL8 | Aug 07 10:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Sen. Tom Cotton's Q&A during Senate Armed Services Committee hearing heb subs - YouTube | Aug 07 10:53 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 07 10:54 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6432473 | Aug 07 10:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Germany's top prosecutor fired over treason probe https://news.yahoo.com/german-prosecutor-accuses-govt-meddling-treason-probe-130208720.html #epo takes note... | Aug 07 10:57 | |
| schestowitz | "telling your boss to mind his own business is not good for your career." | Aug 07 10:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.yahoo.com | Germany's top prosecutor fired over treason probe - Yahoo News [ http://ur1.ca/ndlq4 ] | Aug 07 10:57 | |
| schestowitz | "Well, maybe if your boss would mind his own business, you wouldn’t have to say it." | Aug 07 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-reaction-to-taylor-swift-blog-post-2015-8 | Aug 07 10:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | Apple reaction to Taylor Swift blog post - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/ndlqa ] | Aug 07 10:58 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.observerchronicle.com/politics/hiroshima-atomic-bombing-70th-anniversary-marked-with-solemn-ceremony-calls-for-nuclear-disarmament/45300/ | Aug 07 11:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.observerchronicle.com | Hiroshima Atomic Bombing 70th Anniversary Marked With Solemn Ceremony, Calls For Nuclear Disarmament | Observer Chronicle [ http://ur1.ca/ndlr3 ] | Aug 07 11:01 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6436212 | Aug 07 11:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Arma 3 Is Coming to Linux as a Non-Native Port from Bohemia Interactive http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/arma-3-is-coming-to-linux-as-a-non-native-port-from-bohemia-interactive-488689.shtml | Aug 07 11:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linux.softpedia.com | Arma 3 Is Coming to Linux as a Non-Native Port from Bohemia Interactive - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/ndlr5 ] | Aug 07 11:01 | |
| schestowitz | "#destruction #colonisation #colonialism #MilitaryIndustrialComplex" | Aug 07 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | "U.S. bomber, the Enola Homosexual, dropped the primary atomic weapon ever for use in wartime on Hiroshima at eight:15 a.m. on Aug. 6, 1945. " | Aug 07 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | LMAO!!! | Aug 07 11:02 |
| schestowitz | is that what it was called? | Aug 07 11:03 |
| DaemonFC | No. | Aug 07 11:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines DisplayLink "released a binary driver for | Aug 07 11:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu. " http://t.co/h9g0kc0cHQ | Aug 07 11:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Aug 07 11:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | DisplayLink Releases First USB 3.0 Driver, But Doesn't Appear Fully Open - Phoronix | Aug 07 11:04 | |
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| DaemonFC | The plane was called the Enola Gay, because that was the name of the pilot's mother. | Aug 07 11:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "We tried to clarify what it actually means for | Aug 07 11:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | KDE to have a vision, strategy and focus." | Aug 07 11:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/rWacsEGxHZ (blog.lydiapintscher.de) | Aug 07 11:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.lydiapintscher.de | Evolving KDE – framework and next steps | life at the end of the universe | Aug 07 11:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "There’s less than week until Fedora Flock 2015 | Aug 07 11:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | in Rochester, New York!" | Aug 07 11:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/SR17XcRxIt (major.io) | Aug 07 11:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-major.io | Less than a week until Fedora Flock 2015 - major.io | Aug 07 11:04 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6435979 | Aug 07 11:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Until or unless #twitter takes action against the underworld of spam, the site's management cannot be taken seriously https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/629546516458438656 | Aug 07 11:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Can't you just ignore them? I read an interesting article about a guy experimenting with buying followers. | Aug 07 11:16 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/629602011160387585 | Aug 07 11:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz was announced they simply don't have the prison room to prosecute all child porn offenders so no of course file share shouldn't | Aug 07 11:44 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Test upcoming Bodhi Linux 3.1.0; Pre-Release is | Aug 07 12:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | out now http://t.co/mGaJTW7seR | Aug 07 12:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Test upcoming Bodhi Linux 3.1.0; Pre-Release is out now | Tux Machines | Aug 07 12:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Free Windows 10 Has Big Costs, Where's | Aug 07 12:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/D0uBTKZp5q? (www.gimp.org) | Aug 07 12:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gimp.org | GIMP - The GNU Image Manipulation Program | Aug 07 12:02 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free Windows 10 Has Big Costs, Where's GIMP.org? | Tux Machines | Aug 07 12:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE and Akademy http://t.co/CHkK5qN09h | Aug 07 12:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE and Akademy | Tux Machines | Aug 07 12:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/hn93oEkjBs | Aug 07 12:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Aug 07 12:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/DdxHzhCBiF | Aug 07 12:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Aug 07 12:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tails 1.5 RC1 Incognito Live CD Is Out for | Aug 07 12:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Testing and It Needs Your Help | Aug 07 12:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tails 1.5 RC1 Incognito Live CD Is Out for Testing and It Needs Your Help | Tux Machines | Aug 07 12:02 | |
| MinceR | lol @ Enola Homosexual | Aug 07 12:50 |
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| cubexyz | why do OEMs almost never preload Linux or BSD? | Aug 07 14:54 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly true | Aug 07 14:54 |
| oiaohm | Lot of OEM preload. just retailers don't buy them. | Aug 07 14:54 |
| oiaohm | Preload Linux | Aug 07 14:55 |
| MinceR | they do, in chrome os devices and in android devices | Aug 07 14:55 |
| MinceR | also in SBC-s | Aug 07 14:55 |
| oiaohm | From HP under enterprise I can order laptops with ubuntu or debian custom images | Aug 07 14:55 |
| oiaohm | That is where when you open up the new HP laptop box the customers internal Linux is already installed. | Aug 07 14:56 |
| oiaohm | And tested | Aug 07 14:56 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: so its more a question why retailers don't order it. | Aug 07 14:57 |
| cubexyz | yes everyone seems to be selling chromebooks and chromeboxes | Aug 07 14:57 |
| oiaohm | Because retailers believe they can move them. | Aug 07 14:58 |
| cubexyz | I don't like the chromebooks keyboards so I'm more interested in chromeboxes | Aug 07 14:58 |
| oiaohm | HP Dell lentivo(misspelt) I know sell Linux preinstalled laptops to enterprises | Aug 07 14:58 |
| oiaohm | And do to retails who order it as well. | Aug 07 14:58 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: going back 15 years finding OEMs who would put a Linux image on at factory was hard. | Aug 07 15:03 |
| oiaohm | Today its not. | Aug 07 15:03 |
| oiaohm | Now finding a OEM who will sell it general retail or it is general retail that is a test. | Aug 07 15:03 |
| cubexyz | I don't think any of my LCDs have display ports | Aug 07 15:05 |
| oiaohm | Lucky for display port to hdmi | Aug 07 15:09 |
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| msb_ | cubexyz: What's wrong with chromebook keyboards? | Aug 07 15:27 |
| cubexyz | the one I used felt really cheap | Aug 07 15:27 |
| msb_ | How so? Tactile feel? | Aug 07 15:28 |
| cubexyz | yeah, it felt mushy | Aug 07 15:28 |
| cubexyz | also the keys were pretty tiny | Aug 07 15:28 |
| msb_ | Can one put real Linux on a chromebook? | Aug 07 15:28 |
| cubexyz | sure | Aug 07 15:28 |
| msb_ | So you | Aug 07 15:29 |
| msb_ | So you're not restricted to their cloud, appstore, whatever? | Aug 07 15:29 |
| cubexyz | nope | Aug 07 15:29 |
| msb_ | http://www.techradar.com/us/news/mobile-computing/laptops/best-chromebooks-top-5-chromebooks-in-the-us-1233696 | Aug 07 15:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techradar.com | 10 Best Chromebooks 2015: top Chromebooks reviewed | TechRadar [ http://ur1.ca/ndnut ] | Aug 07 15:31 | |
| msb_ | For $300, some of those look very good! | Aug 07 15:31 |
| msb_ | Does the keyboard at least give an audio click? | Aug 07 15:32 |
| msb_ | Or is that something you can turn on in Linux? | Aug 07 15:32 |
| cubexyz | there's xset b on | Aug 07 15:32 |
| cubexyz | that's why I was thinking about chromebox instead | Aug 07 15:34 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: looks like xset c in my manpage. | Aug 07 15:34 |
| cubexyz | then I can just connect any usb keyboard to it... of course you could do the same thing on a chromebook | Aug 07 15:34 |
| cubexyz | msb_, may depend on which terminal emulator is used | Aug 07 15:38 |
| msb_ | Do those chromebooks have ethernet? Or do you have to go thru a USB2 adapter? | Aug 07 15:46 |
| msb_ | I don't want to fry my brain with wifi. | Aug 07 15:46 |
| msb_ | But I guess if I'm out and about wifi is the only choice. | Aug 07 15:49 |
| msb_ | Well I can wear my usual tinfoil-lined hat that I use to keep out the reptoid mind-rays. | Aug 07 15:50 |
| msb_ | That's for schestowitz, who said I'm full of looney ideas. | Aug 07 15:50 |
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| msb_ | The chromebooks look better than the Pi-Top for about the same price. | Aug 07 15:53 |
| cubexyz | hopefully the insectoids and reptilians will cancel each other out :) | Aug 07 15:56 |
| msb_ | But I sure want a high-speed ethernet connection to transfer data to/from my desktop. | Aug 07 15:56 |
| msb_ | I think the reptilians _eat_ the insectoids! | Aug 07 15:56 |
| cubexyz | haha | Aug 07 15:57 |
| cubexyz | yeah they eat the small ones | Aug 07 15:57 |
| msb_ | And the pupas of the big ones. Say they taste like shrimp. | Aug 07 15:57 |
| msb_ | This has been an extremely educational discussion! I love this channel, even though I get kicked off of it occasionally. | Aug 07 16:02 |
| msb_ | Only time I used wifi for more than a few seconds I put a transceiver at the end of a 15-foot ethernet cable to keep the field strength down at my head (inverse-square law). | Aug 07 16:13 |
| msb_ | It's not the heating that does the damage from the RF, it's exertion of force on replicating chromosomes because the RF permeability of the chromosomes is different from that of the cytoplasm/nucleoplasm. Moves the chromosomes around like iron filings in a magnetic field, causing mutations. | Aug 07 16:15 |
| msb_ | This was discovered in the 1950s. | Aug 07 16:16 |
| msb_ | And monkeys have been given brain cancer by fastening cellphones to the side of their head. | Aug 07 16:17 |
| msb_ | This is real. I am not kidding. | Aug 07 16:17 |
| msb_ | In the 1950s experiments were done with putting growing garlic root tips in a strong RF field (100volt/inch). After a few hours they showed every chromosome abnormality known to man. | Aug 07 16:22 |
| msb_ | This was in one chapter of a great science book I had as a kid. Another chapter talked about running a relativistic electron beam from an accelerator through a metallic comb structure, and a beam of blue light shot out of it!. The spacing of the comb teeth was reduced to the wavelength of light by relativity. | Aug 07 16:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LibreOffice 5.0 Is a Milestone Release for | Aug 07 16:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu Touch http://t.co/TEKqT1v48G | Aug 07 16:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice 5.0 Is a Milestone Release for Ubuntu Touch | Tux Machines | Aug 07 16:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Who will be the Ubuntu of Hadoop? | Aug 07 16:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Who will be the Ubuntu of Hadoop? | Tux Machines | Aug 07 16:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Apple v Android debate: And the winner is ... | Aug 07 16:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Apple v Android debate: And the winner is ... | Tux Machines | Aug 07 16:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines digiKam Software Collection 4.12.0 released... | Aug 07 16:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | digiKam Software Collection 4.12.0 released... | Tux Machines | Aug 07 16:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A Couple of Mockups for Plasma Mobile Look | Aug 07 16:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Better than the Original http://t.co/64lasqdZBO | Aug 07 16:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A Couple of Mockups for Plasma Mobile Look Better than the Original | Tux Machines | Aug 07 16:28 | |
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| cubexyz | I don't use cellphones or wifi | Aug 07 16:35 |
| msb_ | If you must use a cellphone in an emergency, set it to "speaker" and hold it at arm's length. | Aug 07 16:39 |
| msb_ | Cuts down the field strength by about 100x. | Aug 07 16:41 |
| cubexyz | most newer chromebooks don't have an ethernet port | Aug 07 16:42 |
| cubexyz | you would need to use a USB to Ethernet adapter | Aug 07 16:43 |
| abeNd-org | & good luck finding one that is actually supported | Aug 07 16:43 |
| cubexyz | although the Acer C7 chromebook has an ethernet port | Aug 07 16:44 |
| cubexyz | the C7 has a VGA port as well | Aug 07 16:46 |
| cubexyz | good for older computer people like me :) | Aug 07 16:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Mint 17.2 "Rafaela" KDE Released with KDE | Aug 07 16:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 4.14.2 and Linux Kernel 3.16 | Aug 07 16:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Mint 17.2 "Rafaela" KDE Released with KDE 4.14.2 and Linux Kernel 3.16 | Tux Machines | Aug 07 16:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu's Deb-Based Software Center Fails As An | Aug 07 16:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | App Store http://t.co/BqFKPrOTr7 | Aug 07 16:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu's Deb-Based Software Center Fails As An App Store | Tux Machines | Aug 07 16:46 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/yOyG87XUq9 | Aug 07 16:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Aug 07 16:46 | |
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| msb_ | I just google for linux <thing's model number> to find out if Linux supports it. | Aug 07 16:48 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @TechValidate favourited 'TechValidate surveys Red Hat Enterprise Linux developers http://t.co/bmPzwZsoJ8' | Aug 07 16:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sdtimes.com | TechValidate surveys Red Hat Enterprise Linux developers - SD Times | Aug 07 16:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mozilla Firefox 39.0.3 Hotfix Out Now to Patch | Aug 07 16:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | a Critical Issue in the Built-in PDF Viewer | Aug 07 16:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/msv0wZkHmR (linux.softpedia.com) | Aug 07 16:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Mozilla Firefox 39.0.3 Hotfix Out Now to Patch a Critical Issue in the Built-in PDF Viewer - Softpedia | Aug 07 16:51 | |
| msb_ | Some poor soul using Ubuntu will have tried it. | Aug 07 16:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LibreOffice 5.0 Is a Milestone Release for | Aug 07 16:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu Touch http://t.co/7xVRdVvkaV | Aug 07 16:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digikam.org | digiKam Software Collection 4.12.0 released... | digiKam - Photo Management Program | Aug 07 16:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A Couple of Mockups for Plasma Mobile Look | Aug 07 17:00 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Mint 17.2 "Rafaela" KDE Released with KDE | Aug 07 17:00 |
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| cubexyz | interesting situation with the monitors | Aug 07 18:21 |
| cubexyz | there's input priority on the benq monitor | Aug 07 18:22 |
| cubexyz | there's input priority on the benq monitor | Aug 07 18:35 |
| cubexyz | oops | Aug 07 18:35 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE's Breeze Icons Get Expanded For Plasma 5.4 | Aug 07 18:42 |
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| cubexyz | displayport worries me a little | Aug 07 18:48 |
| cubexyz | there's some optional DRM mechanism | Aug 07 18:49 |
| cubexyz | it seems VGA and DVI are going the way of the dodo to be replace by DisplayPort and HDMI | Aug 07 18:50 |
| schestowitz | phoronux just slammed them | Aug 07 18:58 |
| schestowitz | for their binary driver | Aug 07 18:58 |
| schestowitz | *phoronix | Aug 07 18:58 |
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| msb_ | Well, fortunately, with GNU/Linux, we can use whatever driver we want, and to hell with any DRM. | Aug 07 19:16 |
| msb_ | Worst case, whoever cracks it can put it up anonymously, and Linux users can download it by a variety of means, and from a variety of places. North Korea and Iran must be good for something. 8^) | Aug 07 19:19 |
| msb_ | Hopefully Sony doesn't have its own drone fleet. | Aug 07 19:20 |
| msb_ | Since Microsoft has said it will copy from any Windows 10 user any files that it feels are relevant for regulating the system, presumably that will include programs to circumvent DRM. | Aug 07 19:26 |
| msb_ | Can Poettering do any less in his version of Windowsd? He must report any anti-DRM software directly to the NSA. | Aug 07 19:27 |
| cubexyz | well that's part of why the openbsd folks view Linux with some concern | Aug 07 19:28 |
| cubexyz | Linux is drifting farther away from traditional Unix with projects like systemd and wayland | Aug 07 19:29 |
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| msb_ | Well, I used BSD at the University of California by phone-modem and BASIC terminal emulator in the 1990s and paid for the privilege. I guess that if Linus and RMS won't protect Linux from the Poettering takeover I can go back to BSD today. | Aug 07 19:32 |
| cubexyz | so GNOME and KDE will become harder to port to BSD... not a good thing | Aug 07 19:32 |
| cubexyz | e.g. GNOME/KDE increasingly rely on systemd components | Aug 07 19:33 |
| cubexyz | apparently the newer versions of GNOME can't run with BSD init | Aug 07 19:35 |
| cubexyz | I'm sure someone will fix that though | Aug 07 19:37 |
| cubexyz | one good thing openbsd does is run Xorg as a user instead of root | Aug 07 19:40 |
| cubexyz | fedora 16 still ran Xorg as root | Aug 07 19:41 |
| cubexyz | not sure about newer Linuxes | Aug 07 19:41 |
| msb_ | There are lots of posts on the trinity mailing lists about a TDE distribution for BSD. So the TDE fork of KDE3 will be available for BSD. And it does not and will not depend on systemd. As to KDE4/5, KDE4 had lots of problems, and 5 probably does to, whereas KDE3 is excellent. | Aug 07 19:44 |
| cubexyz | ok, any bsd distro with trinity ready to go? | Aug 07 19:44 |
| cubexyz | I'd run that for sure | Aug 07 19:45 |
| msb_ | I don't think so yet, but people are working hard on it. | Aug 07 19:45 |
| msb_ | 17 list posts in the last few months, and "the freebsd ports tree from from tde-packaging" is mentioned. | Aug 07 19:48 |
| msb_ | (with only one "from" -- my error) | Aug 07 19:50 |
| cubexyz | I could try compiling some parts of trinity myself | Aug 07 19:51 |
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| msb_ | Here are the list archives: http://trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net/ http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ | Aug 07 19:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net | trinity-devel@lists.pearsoncomputing.net [ http://ur1.ca/ndqhi ] | Aug 07 19:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net | trinity-users@lists.pearsoncomputing.net [ http://ur1.ca/ndqhj ] | Aug 07 19:54 | |
| cubexyz | I assume I can't just compile it with the KDE 3.5.10 libraries | Aug 07 19:54 |
| msb_ | And here's the website: https://www.trinitydesktop.org/index.php | Aug 07 19:55 |
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| cubexyz | guess I'll start with kdelibs-trinity | Aug 07 19:56 |
| msb_ | Probably not, but don't take my word for it. #trinity-desktop on irc.opensuse.org | Aug 07 19:57 |
| msb_ | I recommend reading the list posts first. | Aug 07 19:58 |
| msb_ | I think they did some major fiddling with the qt libraries. | Aug 07 20:00 |
| cubexyz | well there's kdelibs-trinity so... I figure I need those first | Aug 07 20:00 |
| msb_ | I tend to gather all available info first. But as the crazed surgeon said, "Suture self!" | Aug 07 20:02 |
| cubexyz | I wouldn't mind getting kooka working again | Aug 07 20:04 |
| cubexyz | it stopped working because of the switch to libusb | Aug 07 20:04 |
| msb_ | As to gnome, I don't remember if I ever tried it, but it doesn't seem to have a good reputation among professional Linux users. | Aug 07 20:10 |
| cubexyz | you never used gtk? | Aug 07 20:13 |
| msb_ | I use gFTP. | Aug 07 20:14 |
| msb_ | I haven't done much with graphics in Linux, I'm sorry to say. Gotta make time for that! | Aug 07 20:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Ubuntu | Tux Machines | Aug 07 20:54 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6437404 | Aug 07 21:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Just been stopped in the street again by #mormon missionaries; turns out one who's from #utah had her dad work for #novell before #hovsepian | Aug 07 21:18 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 07 21:19 |
| schestowitz | They send women out on missions where you are? | Aug 07 21:19 |
| schestowitz | In the U.S., as far as I know, only men go on missions. | Aug 07 21:19 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 07 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Not only did they send women, they were going into a rough neighbourhood in Manchester (Clayton), which probably didn't make them safe TBH | Aug 07 21:19 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6438012 | Aug 07 21:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Privacy Badger 1.0 Is Here To Stop Online Tracking! https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/08/privacy-badger-10-here-stop-online-tracking #eff #surveillance | Aug 07 21:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.eff.org | Privacy Badger 1.0 Is Here To Stop Online Tracking! | Electronic Frontier Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/ndi22 ] | Aug 07 21:20 | |
| schestowitz | "pdfjs.disabled has (for I don’t know how long) been true on my Firefox. I suspect this is why the built-in pdf viewer isn’t used when click on a link to a pdf file. I guess this means I was already immune to this. Mozilla blog past indicates some add-ons might have made me immune as well, but doesn’t bother to tell me what those are." | Aug 07 21:20 |
| schestowitz | "Hmm. Not at all sure about pdfjs.disabled." | Aug 07 21:22 |
| amarsh04 | I learn something new again from #radeon <agd5f> amarsh04, the drm core subsystem is incompatible with kexec the way it's currently designed | Aug 07 21:28 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Why Linux enthusiasts are arguing over Purism's | Aug 07 21:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | sleek, idealistic Librem laptops | Aug 07 21:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Why Linux enthusiasts are arguing over Purism's sleek, idealistic Librem laptops | Tux Machines | Aug 07 21:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Wine development release 1.7.49 is now | Aug 07 21:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | available http://t.co/MsuxJfqVFl | Aug 07 21:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Wine development release 1.7.49 is now available | Tux Machines | Aug 07 21:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Leftovers http://t.co/HbgCogrtcX | Aug 07 21:58 |
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| cubexyz | msb_, ok first step in building kdelibs-trinity... update libtool | Aug 07 22:47 |
| cubexyz | I'll keep notes | Aug 07 22:48 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/629741643785203713 https://twitter.com/RamiSilawi/status/629770605252907008 | Aug 07 22:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Psychologist’s Work for GCHQ Deception Unit Inflames Debate Among Peers @schestowitz @ruskin147 http://t.co/Tm30yHS0Gg | Aug 07 22:49 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamiSilawi: My desktop rocks! What about yours? #GoLinux #Linux #free #secure #opensource #privacy #productivity http://t.co/FEsEgn6Enn | Aug 07 22:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamiSilawi: My desktop rocks! What about yours? #GoLinux #Linux #free #secure #opensource #privacy #productivity http://t.co/FEsEgn6Enn | Aug 07 22:49 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Aug 07 22:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CentOS Linux 6.7 released | Aug 07 22:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CentOS Linux 6.7 released | Tux Machines | Aug 07 22:53 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gaby.wordpress.com | The rise of useless interface design and the humanity killed by it | de wilde Blog [ http://ur1.ca/nds7e ] | Aug 07 23:20 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora: The Latest | Tux Machines | Aug 07 23:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Important Firefox 39.0.3 Security Update | Aug 07 23:45 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Chromebooks in school: How to pick the best | Aug 07 23:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | laptop for any student http://t.co/nQZjcJb0Nm | Aug 07 23:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Aug 08 00:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines An Everyday Linux User Review Of Elementary OS | Aug 08 00:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Freya http://t.co/wAHMcXk9h1 | Aug 08 00:04 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6438867 | Aug 08 00:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@harryhaller@nerdpol.ch: Microsoft Crime Persists: [AstroTurfing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing) a Regular Practice, Reddit Full of Paid Microsoft AstroTurfers | Techrights - http://techrights.org/2013/06/09/reddit-infiltrated/ __“Mind Control: To control mental output you have to control mental input. Take control of the channels by which developers receive information, then they can only think about the things you tell them | Aug 08 00:18 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 08 00:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> en.wikipedia.org | Astroturfing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/ndsn6 ] | Aug 08 00:18 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Crime Persists: AstroTurfing a Regular Practice, Reddit Full of Paid Microsoft AstroTurfers | Techrights - http://techrights.org/2013/06/09/reddit-infiltrated/ | Aug 08 00:18 |
| schestowitz | “Mind Control: To control mental output you have to control mental input. Take control of the channels by which developers receive information, then they can only think about the things you tell them. Thus, you control mindshare!” (Microsoft: ibid) | Aug 08 00:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Microsoft Crime Persists: AstroTurfing a Regular Practice, Reddit Full of Paid Microsoft AstroTurfers | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/e99i2 ] | Aug 08 00:18 | |
| schestowitz | N.B Expired link to businessinsider.com here: | Aug 08 00:18 |
| schestowitz | As for the evidence of the latest claims, here it is | Aug 08 00:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> web.archive.org | Microsoft Has Hired People To Make Positive Comments About Xbox One On Reddit, Contractor Says | Business Insider Australia [ http://ur1.ca/ndsn9 ] | Aug 08 00:18 | |
| schestowitz | Well, here it is ;) | Aug 08 00:18 |
| schestowitz | via Roy | Aug 08 00:18 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2015/05/28/reddit-censorship/ | Aug 08 00:18 |
| schestowitz | #lest-we-forget #2013 #microsoft #astroturfing #reddit #techrights | Aug 08 00:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Censorship on Reddit Has Gotten (Condé) Nasty and Silent, Even Actively Silenced | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/mnwj0 ] | Aug 08 00:19 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 08 00:19 |
| schestowitz | http://web.archive.org/web/20130729140725/http://au.businessinsider.com/microsoft-positive-reddit-comments-2013-6 | Aug 08 00:19 |
| schestowitz | Some of them libel me there... | Aug 08 00:19 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6435204 | Aug 08 00:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #apple is head-hunting http://www.bidnessetc.com/49510-apple-inc-reportedly-hiring-android-engineers-is-google-android-at-risk/ http://betanews.com/2015/08/06/apple-is-hiring-android-software-engineers-but-why/ | Aug 08 00:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bidnessetc.com | Apple Inc. Reportedly Hiring Android Engineers, Is Google Android At Risk? [ http://ur1.ca/ndsni ] | Aug 08 00:19 | |
| schestowitz | "After all the fuss and threats Apple made against Google for doing the same. You just can’t trust Apple, can you?' | Aug 08 00:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> betanews.com | Apple is hiring Android software engineers -- but why? [ http://ur1.ca/ndsnj ] | Aug 08 00:19 | |
| schestowitz | Jobs laughs at sacking workers for it | Aug 08 00:19 |
| cubexyz | I have never given Apple any money | Aug 08 00:20 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing | Aug 08 00:20 |
| cubexyz | when the Apple II came out, I thought it was too expensive | Aug 08 00:20 |
| cubexyz | although it was a nice computer | Aug 08 00:20 |
| cubexyz | the original price was $1298 US with 4K of ram :) | Aug 08 00:21 |
| cubexyz | the Commodore PET was $795 US | Aug 08 00:22 |
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| cubexyz | I think there's probably astroturing on slashdot as well | Aug 08 00:24 |
| cubexyz | experts estimate that 1/3 of all consumer reviews on the internet are fake | Aug 08 00:25 |
| cubexyz | I thought Xbox was crap | Aug 08 00:28 |
| cubexyz | no one paid me to say that :) | Aug 08 00:28 |
| cubexyz | just clearing the air | Aug 08 00:29 |
| schestowitz | http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/35939/ | Aug 08 00:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lxer.com | LXer: free as a puppy: Open source: Free as in speech, beer - or puppy? | Aug 08 00:30 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 08 00:30 |
| schestowitz | yup, Free Software is free as a puppy, and if you take good care of it, it will grow into a healthy happy dog that will always be yours. | Aug 08 00:30 |
| schestowitz | just as closed source is like rent-a-dog. if the rent-a-dog business folds, your dog will be taken away as it's owned by the creditors, and you have no hope of ever getting it back. | Aug 08 00:30 |
| schestowitz | as for sourceforge, i don't agree that they did nothing wrong. sure, the GPL allows repackaging, but it does not allow misrepresenting the authors. | Aug 08 00:30 |
| schestowitz | sourceforge is a site that hosts authors products. as such it claims that the packages available for download are as they were created by the authors. at least this is what sourceforge was known for for a long time. by repackaging, sourceforge is lying about that claim and breaking users expectations. | Aug 08 00:30 |
| schestowitz | [url=http://sourceforge.net/p/forge/documentation/Verifying downloaded files/]http://sourceforge.net/p/forge/documentation/Verifying downl...[/url] | Aug 08 00:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sourceforge.net | SourceForge.net: Log In to SourceForge.net [ http://ur1.ca/ndsq3 ] | Aug 08 00:30 | |
| schestowitz | Quoting: | Aug 08 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Project developers may also find it useful to use checksums to verify that the upload process went smoothly, and that the file on our servers after upload is in fact the same as the file on your computer. | Aug 08 00:30 |
| schestowitz | [url=http://sourceforge.net/p/forge/documentation/Release Files for Download/]http://sourceforge.net/p/forge/documentation/Release Files f...[/url] | Aug 08 00:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sourceforge.net | SourceForge.net: Log In to SourceForge.net [ http://ur1.ca/ndsq4 ] | Aug 08 00:30 | |
| schestowitz | both pages suggest that files for download are as created by the original authors. | Aug 08 00:30 |
| schestowitz | repackaging without telling the users may not be illegal (and i am not even sure about that), but it certainly is dishonest and immoral. | Aug 08 00:30 |
| schestowitz | greetings, eMBee. | Aug 08 00:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 08 00:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 08 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Unless they have an agreement with the authors, it almost certainly is. That's what copyright is all about, after all. | Aug 08 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Now, getting a court to agree to such a common sense position is always uncertain, especially in the past few years where political connections seem to trump everything else. | Aug 08 00:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 08 00:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 08 00:31 |
| schestowitz | sounds like a trap. | Aug 08 00:31 |
| schestowitz | the irritating part is not that they are doing that, but that there appears to be no opt-out, and no indication whether a package is updated by slashdot media. | Aug 08 00:31 |
| schestowitz | greetings, martin. | Aug 08 00:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 08 00:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 08 00:32 |
| schestowitz | It does indeed. Now why exactly do you suppose they would have felt the need to add that to their terms of use? /sarcasm. | Aug 08 00:32 |
| schestowitz | It's a shame, really. Sourceforge was about all that remained of the once proud Linux company VA Linux. To see them fall this low is painful to watch. | Aug 08 00:32 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 08 00:32 |
| schestowitz | http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/35942/ | Aug 08 00:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lxer.com | LXer: Doesn't appear to adress privacy: OS showdown: Windows 10 vs Linux | Aug 08 00:32 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 08 00:32 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft’s new small print – how your personal data is (ab)used | Aug 08 00:32 |
| schestowitz | https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-persona... | Aug 08 00:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-persona ) | Aug 08 00:33 | |
| schestowitz | Does anyone know if this is Windows 10 specific? Or does this new policy apply across the board to all Windows versions? | Aug 08 00:33 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 08 00:33 |
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| msb__ | Power failure while I slept!!! | Aug 08 00:47 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Puri_sm/status/629805559340888066?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email | Aug 08 01:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Puri_sm: @schestowitz We agree Roy. Why not pick on the real enemies of freedom? Why not fight together instead of against each other? | Aug 08 01:11 | |
| schestowitz | msb__: good for power bill | Aug 08 01:11 |
| schestowitz | but not for food in the freezer | Aug 08 01:12 |
| msb__ | It was only for an hour or so. | Aug 08 01:13 |
| cubexyz | that's a long failure | Aug 08 01:15 |
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| msb__ | I don't know exactly. It was back on when I woke up. | Aug 08 01:17 |
| cubexyz | none of my UPSes would last an hour without power | Aug 08 01:17 |
| cubexyz | it would bring the server down | Aug 08 01:17 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, https://www.facebook.com/arstechnica/posts/10153094955738753 | Aug 08 01:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.facebook.com | Ars Technica - "The future, or a slice of it, can be found... | Facebook [ http://ur1.ca/ndt2i ] | Aug 08 01:29 | |
| DaemonFC | Thanks for that link, btw. | Aug 08 01:29 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/encycl/status/629811565957484544 | Aug 08 01:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@encycl: I threw mine in the garbage, too. https://t.co/8eDoqkw1Zi | Aug 08 01:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Eugene Kaspersky – founder of the so named antivirus company refuses to own a smartphone" http://t.co/4GyBzbVTXS makes sense | Aug 08 01:30 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Raspberry Pi Geocache kit | Aug 08 09:05 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Keys to building an Open Source technology | Aug 08 09:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | practice in MEA http://t.co/JAyEG9oKZK | Aug 08 09:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.biztechafrica.com) | Aug 08 09:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.biztechafrica.com | Keys to building an Open Source technology practice in MEA | BiztechAfrica Mobile,Technology & IT News Africa | Aug 08 09:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Stellaris, An Ambitious Space Grand Strategy | Aug 08 09:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Game By Paradox, Announced & Coming To Linux | Aug 08 09:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Stellaris, An Ambitious Space Grand Strategy Game By Paradox, Announced & Coming To Linux | GamingOnLinux | Aug 08 09:06 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CentOS Linux 6.7 released | Aug 08 09:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/9jyQxFOHUP (lwn.net) | Aug 08 09:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lwn.net | CentOS Linux 6.7 released [LWN.net] | Aug 08 09:09 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Wine development release 1.7.49 is now | Aug 08 09:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | available https://t.co/CgBhESxNZx | Aug 08 09:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.winehq.org) | Aug 08 09:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.winehq.org | WineHQ - Wine Announcement - The Wine development release 1.7.49 is now available. | Aug 08 09:09 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Why Linux enthusiasts are arguing over Purism's | Aug 08 09:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | sleek, idealistic Librem laptops | Aug 08 09:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/c5XbwFdudx (www.pcworld.com) | Aug 08 09:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com | Why Linux enthusiasts are arguing over Purism's sleek, idealistic Librem laptops | PCWorld | Aug 08 09:09 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Chromebooks in school: How to pick the best | Aug 08 09:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | laptop for any student http://t.co/o4NMJvpexf | Aug 08 09:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.zdnet.com) | Aug 08 09:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | Chromebooks in school: How to pick the best laptop for any student | ZDNet | Aug 08 09:13 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Important Firefox 39.0.3 Security Update | Aug 08 09:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Arrives in Ubuntu http://t.co/ORjvCxoSqL | Aug 08 09:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linux.softpedia.com) | Aug 08 09:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Important Firefox 39.0.3 Security Update Arrives in Ubuntu - Softpedia | Aug 08 09:14 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines An Everyday Linux User Review Of Elementary OS | Aug 08 09:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Freya http://t.co/M4CFhCZTts | Aug 08 09:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.everydaylinuxuser.com) | Aug 08 09:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.everydaylinuxuser.com | An Everyday Linux User Review Of Elementary OS Freya « Everyday Linux User | Aug 08 09:14 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/629927276801560576 | Aug 08 09:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: RT @schestowitz "If you work quickly, the cost of doing something new will seem lower in your mind." http://t.co/pDS8RdEnnw | Aug 08 09:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> jsomers.net | Speed matters: Why working quickly is more important than it seems « the jsomers.net blog | Aug 08 09:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Bq Ubuntu Phones Now Available for US Customers | Aug 08 09:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Bq Ubuntu Phones Now Available for US Customers - Softpedia | Aug 08 09:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS released | Aug 08 09:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/9tdp9VkW80 (lwn.net) | Aug 08 09:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lwn.net | Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS released [LWN.net] | Aug 08 09:18 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BlackBerry's new Passport Silver Edition | Aug 08 09:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | spotted running Android http://t.co/04PFqI3pdL | Aug 08 09:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phonearena.com | BlackBerry's new Passport Silver Edition spotted running Android | Aug 08 09:18 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New GTK+ 3.18 Milestone Re-Implements | Aug 08 09:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Copy/Paste Across Multiple Screens | Aug 08 09:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/GqSXbkWghY (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 08 09:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | New GTK+ 3.18 Milestone Reimplements Copy/Paste Across Multiple Screens - Softpedia | Aug 08 09:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines ‘LG Wine Smart’ Flip Phone With Android 5.1.1 | Aug 08 09:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | On Board Will Make International Debut | Aug 08 09:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.com | ‘LG Wine Smart’ Flip Phone With Android 5.1.1 On Board Will Make International Debut | Aug 08 09:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BQ Aquaris E45 Ubuntu Edition review | Aug 08 09:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Tabf3Eyzjp (www.techradar.com) | Aug 08 09:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techradar.com | BQ Aquaris E45 Ubuntu Edition review: Verdict | TechRadar | Aug 08 09:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora 23 Alpha Approved for August 11, Final | Aug 08 09:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Version to Arrive on October 27 | Aug 08 09:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Fedora 23 Alpha Approved for August 11, Final Version to Arrive on October 27 - Softpedia | Aug 08 09:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Celebrate Ubuntu Touch's New Film Scope and Win | Aug 08 09:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | an Ubuntu Phone http://t.co/lYYYG0npOy | Aug 08 09:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 08 09:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Celebrate Ubuntu Touch's New Film Scope and Win an Ubuntu Phone - Softpedia | Aug 08 09:39 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Lite 2.6 Beta Released | Aug 08 09:39 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @Cipherhouse retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Celebrate Ubuntu Touch's New Film Scope and Win...' | Aug 08 09:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Second Snappy Ubuntu Core 15.04 Stable Version | Aug 08 09:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Now Ready for Raspberry Pi 2 | Aug 08 09:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Second Snappy Ubuntu Core 15.04 Stable Version Now Ready for Raspberry Pi 2 - Softpedia | Aug 08 09:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Why Android 'Fragmentation' Is A Good Thing | Aug 08 09:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/s9Km0yunAA | Aug 08 09:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.informationweek.com) good article | Aug 08 09:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.informationweek.com | Why Android Fragmentation Is A Good Thing - InformationWeek | Aug 08 09:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 20 best new Android apps and games this week | Aug 08 11:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/He1n4zFCFx (www.theguardian.com) | Aug 08 11:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | 20 best new Android apps and games this week | Technology | The Guardian | Aug 08 11:23 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora 23 Alpha Approved for August 11, Final | Aug 08 11:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Version to Arrive on October 27 | Aug 08 11:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora 23 Alpha Approved for August 11, Final Version to Arrive on October 27 | Tux Machines | Aug 08 11:23 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Celebrate Ubuntu Touch's New Film Scope and Win | Aug 08 11:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | an Ubuntu Phone http://t.co/TNodvAmB4i | Aug 08 11:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 08 11:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Celebrate Ubuntu Touch's New Film Scope and Win an Ubuntu Phone | Tux Machines | Aug 08 11:53 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Lite 2.6 Beta Released | Aug 08 11:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Lite 2.6 Beta Released | Tux Machines | Aug 08 11:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Second Snappy Ubuntu Core 15.04 Stable Version | Aug 08 11:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Now Ready for Raspberry Pi 2 | Aug 08 11:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Second Snappy Ubuntu Core 15.04 Stable Version Now Ready for Raspberry Pi 2 | Tux Machines | Aug 08 11:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora 23 Alpha, Mint 17.2 KDE, and Tumbleweed | Aug 08 11:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora 23 Alpha, Mint 17.2 KDE, and Tumbleweed | Tux Machines | Aug 08 11:54 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AirWatch expands OS support for Tizen | Aug 08 12:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/T1i9rSO9EJ (www.tizenexperts.com) | Aug 08 12:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | TDC15 coming http://t.co/Tto3MSU0TM | Aug 08 12:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | AirWatch expands OS support for Tizen and Samsung KNOX in AirWatch 8.1 release - Tizen Experts | Aug 08 12:20 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Get 50% off the Tizen Developer Conference 2015 Shenzhen until Aug 14 #TDC15 - Tizen Experts | Aug 08 12:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Some better fedora sites being worked on | Aug 08 12:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-anuradhanotes.blogspot.co.uk | Anu notes: Progress with integration | Aug 08 12:20 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora 23 Alpha — release set for Tuesday | Aug 08 12:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org | F23 Alpha is Go, fun at Flock, Firefox, Rawhide, and more - Fedora Magazine | Aug 08 12:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE's Breeze Icons Get Expanded For Plasma 5.4 | Aug 08 12:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | KDE's Breeze Icons Get Expanded For Plasma 5.4 - Phoronix | Aug 08 12:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Holy Potatoes! A Weapon Shop?! Simulation Game | Aug 08 12:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Comes To Linux! https://t.co/aHzdvf5Xwa | Aug 08 12:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Holy Potatoes! A Weapon Shop?! Simulation Game Comes To Linux! | GamingOnLinux | Aug 08 12:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tangiers Is A Horror Themed Stealth Game Coming | Aug 08 12:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | To Linux, I'm Going To Make Samsai Stream It | Aug 08 12:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/QXEaOKEx4N (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 08 12:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Tangiers Is A Horror Themed Stealth Game Coming To Linux, I'm Going To Make Samsai Stream It | GamingOnLinux | Aug 08 12:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @ozgunsarapcilik The Özgün Şarapları Daily is out! | Aug 08 12:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/g0oPOx141G (paper.li) Stories via | Aug 08 12:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li | The Özgün Şarapları Daily | Aug 08 12:56 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BlackBerry Launches Android Secured Website for | Aug 08 13:11 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Why do I still use Android? | Aug 08 13:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com | iPhone Vs Android: iOS 9 eliminates the need to use Android | BGR | Aug 08 13:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 8/8/2015: Linux Mint 17.2, CentOS Linux | Aug 08 13:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 6.7 http://t.co/lIfmujr5kq (techrights.org) | Aug 08 13:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Devices | Tux Machines | Aug 08 13:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Debian http://t.co/YWSu6O8LtN | Aug 08 13:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Debian | Tux Machines | Aug 08 13:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat and Fedora http://t.co/BNGVGWmgIS | Aug 08 13:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat and Fedora | Tux Machines | Aug 08 13:11 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Aug 08 15:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/bGIH92e203 | Aug 08 15:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Aug 08 15:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Detailed Smart Card Cryptographic Token | Aug 08 15:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Security Guide http://t.co/F2Z1h63OfR | Aug 08 15:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-changelog.complete.org | Detailed Smart Card Cryptographic Token Security Guide | The Changelog | Aug 08 15:27 | |
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| cubexyz | this seems apt what with windows 10 being all the rage: | Aug 08 18:32 |
| cubexyz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult_programming | Aug 08 18:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Cargo cult programming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/ne065 ] | Aug 08 18:32 | |
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| r_schestowitz | vista 10 is failing | Aug 08 18:54 |
| r_schestowitz | 12 CLAIMED downloads in 24 hours (first ones) | Aug 08 18:54 |
| r_schestowitz | claimed by Microsoft | Aug 08 18:54 |
| r_schestowitz | so let's assume 6 the next day, maybe 3..and so on | Aug 08 18:55 |
| r_schestowitz | One site I saw with web stats said 3% overall | Aug 08 18:55 |
| r_schestowitz | after a week | Aug 08 18:55 |
| r_schestowitz | i.e. around 30 mil | Aug 08 18:55 |
| r_schestowitz | that's pretty bad | Aug 08 18:55 |
| r_schestowitz | they claimed it was 'free' | Aug 08 18:55 |
| r_schestowitz | yet so few people touch it | Aug 08 18:55 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe it's at less than 50mil now, maybe 40 | Aug 08 18:56 |
| r_schestowitz | and a month from now still less than 100 | Aug 08 18:56 |
| r_schestowitz | Android has like 1000m | Aug 08 18:56 |
| r_schestowitz | or far more | Aug 08 18:56 |
| r_schestowitz | 2000 in the futuree | Aug 08 18:56 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BQ’s Ubuntu smartphones now available globally | Aug 08 19:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | BQ’s Ubuntu smartphones now available globally | Tux Machines | Aug 08 19:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Zorin OS 10 Lite and Business Editions Now | Aug 08 19:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Available for Download - Screenshot Tour | Aug 08 19:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Zorin OS 10 Lite and Business Editions Now Available for Download - Screenshot Tour | Tux Machines | Aug 08 19:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE Applications 15.08 RC for openSUSE | Aug 08 19:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Applications 15.08 RC for openSUSE | Tux Machines | Aug 08 19:06 | |
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| Sosumi | vista 10? | Aug 08 19:29 |
| Sosumi | m$ is still around? | Aug 08 19:29 |
| Sosumi | I thought they had declared chapter 11 long time ago | Aug 08 19:29 |
| Sosumi | I kid, I kid... | Aug 08 19:30 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/censorednewsnow/status/629925820463730688?cn=cmV0d2VldF9tZW50aW9uZWRfdXNlcg%3D%3D&refsrc=email | Aug 08 21:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@censorednewsnow: Cease doing business with any business that uses #Windows 10 @schestowitz all their file contents emails etc, all go to #microspy @jmcest | Aug 08 21:08 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/censorednewsnow/status/629925955478421504?cn=cmV0d2VldF9tZW50aW9uZWRfdXNlcg%3D%3D&refsrc=email | Aug 08 21:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@censorednewsnow: Any lawfirm or professional under a legal obligation to keep professional records privileged @schestowitz must surely be in breach @jmcest | Aug 08 21:09 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6440190 | Aug 08 21:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: apple no longer believes it can restore ios market share? http://mashable.com/2015/08/05/apple-android-app-job/ | Aug 08 21:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> mashable.com | Apple job posting suggests more apps for Android a possibility [ http://ur1.ca/ne1dc ] | Aug 08 21:12 | |
| schestowitz | "#oligarchy" | Aug 08 21:12 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/i/redirect?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fcensorednewsnow%2Fstatus%2F629926079524941824%3Fcn%3DcmVwbHk%253D%26refsrc%3Demail&t=1&cn=cmVwbHk%3D&sig=f340b29c217494d310d01d53b59f0a01360ce4f6&iid=2312de63f28245fd8fb91ccae7aed414&uid=26603208&nid=27+1267 | Aug 08 21:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-twitter.com | https://twitter.com/censorednewsnow/status/629926079524941824?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email [ http://ur1.ca/ne1dw ] | Aug 08 21:14 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/censorednewsnow/status/629926079524941824?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email | Aug 08 21:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@censorednewsnow: of professional rules etc @schestowitz @jmcest if they 'upgrade' | Aug 08 21:14 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/censorednewsnow/status/629926151968935936 | Aug 08 21:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@censorednewsnow: http://t.co/JBRryNhc3S ROCKS @schestowitz ;) @jmcest | Aug 08 21:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.debian.org | Debian -- The Universal Operating System | Aug 08 21:15 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/katahiromz/status/630011714352734208?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email | Aug 08 21:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@katahiromz: @schestowitz useful is better than nothing. | Aug 08 21:16 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Lite 2.6 Enters Beta with LibreOffice 5.0 | Aug 08 22:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and New Control Center, Based on Ubuntu 14.04.3 | Aug 08 22:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | LTS http://t.co/grT5q1PfMl | Aug 08 22:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Lite 2.6 Enters Beta with LibreOffice 5.0 and New Control Center, Based on Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS | Tux Machines | Aug 08 22:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Ubuntu http://t.co/zq3eLpPxgV | Aug 08 22:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Ubuntu | Tux Machines | Aug 08 22:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: KDE and Mint http://t.co/SNscRqahK1 | Aug 08 22:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: KDE and Mint | Tux Machines | Aug 08 22:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Leftovers http://t.co/EOzhq7moVW | Aug 08 22:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 08 22:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Aug 08 22:52 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Mozilla We Want http://t.co/HIUIKid9IH | Aug 08 22:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 08 22:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Mozilla We Want | Tux Machines | Aug 08 22:52 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2015-07/30/windows-10-paid-ad-removal-solitaire | Aug 02 00:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wired.co.uk | Windows 10 makes you pay to remove ads from Solitaire (Wired UK) [ http://ur1.ca/nbtbm ] | Aug 02 00:01 | |
| DaemonFC | $10, every year. | Aug 02 00:01 |
| MinceR | what a deal! | Aug 02 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if you can fix it by adding an entry to your hosts file. | Aug 02 00:02 |
| MinceR | i'm sure you can fix it by overwriting vista10 with a real OS and installing a free software solitaire | Aug 02 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to wait and see what happens with Windows Phone 10. I've got two years on this lease for my Galaxy S6. | Aug 02 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | If it turns out to flop, let other people spend their money to end up with a dead end that's never going to be supported again. | Aug 02 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think Microsoft has any strategy with Windows Phone so far. Why would they want to be on the low end of the market where there's no money to be made, where they lose money on every phone they sell? | Aug 02 00:21 |
| MinceR | i don't think it will be called "windows phone 10" | Aug 02 00:24 |
| MinceR | they seem to be pursuing a pretense of a scalable OS (lol) | Aug 02 00:24 |
| MinceR | and according to Tomi Ahonen, as long as m$ holds on to skype, winblows is as good as dead on phones | Aug 02 00:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/eNG2c6x3HS | Aug 02 00:37 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbtkr | Aug 02 00:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Aug 02 00:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/xPjOG8Hiiu | Aug 02 00:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 02 00:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Aug 02 00:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbtks | Aug 02 00:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/XdtuBTPAfa | Aug 02 00:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 02 00:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Aug 02 00:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbtku | Aug 02 00:37 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_et_md_pl?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdMsgID=Mx3AZ5LIAT43TOY&cdMsgNo=250&cdPage=10&cdSort=oldest&cdThread=Tx3HCX9UNG6IF06#Mx3AZ5LIAT43TOY | Aug 02 01:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: Good News: Miicrosoft is DYING!! [ http://ur1.ca/nbtqm ] | Aug 02 01:05 | |
| DaemonFC | Part of that, " | Aug 02 01:05 |
| DaemonFC | Most app developers end up working just to break even, or end up losing money on their iPhone app. Apple promotes a few "rock stars" to make it look like gigantic profits await those who develop for iPhones, but more than one developer has done the math and determined that they would have made more money working a minimum wage job.". | Aug 02 01:05 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Zidoo's 'X1' is a $59 Android media box that | Aug 02 02:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | touts its 4K prowess http://t.co/F4n351e6T4 | Aug 02 02:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 02 02:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbu8b | Aug 02 02:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Zidoo's 'X1' is a $59 Android media box that touts its 4K prowess | Tux Machines | Aug 02 02:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Zorin OS 10 Core & Ultimate have arrived | Aug 02 02:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/km36zPRqlL (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 02 02:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbu8e | Aug 02 02:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Zorin OS 10 Core & Ultimate have arrived | Tux Machines | Aug 02 02:20 | |
| msb__ | RT TV has done two shows today on Socialism. Max Keiser interviewed an economist Guy Standing, who advocates giving people a basic income because jobs are disappearing due to technology. And there was a 30minute report on Occupy Tower, an abandoned 25-storey building in Caracas that homeless people moved into and set up their own government and economic system. | Aug 02 02:20 |
| msb__ | Max Keiser interview is here, can be downloaded with youtube-dl -- http://www.rt.com/shows/keiser-report/311323-episode-max-keiser-791/ | Aug 02 02:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | Episode 791 RT — Keiser Report [ http://ur1.ca/nbug6 ] | Aug 02 02:56 | |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Aug 02 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | Just now · | Aug 02 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft bought themselves a show on PBS. This comes after Walmart and the oil companies did the same thing. | Aug 02 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, with everyday people losing their personal wealth and being left unable to donate, while PBS had their public funding slashed by more than two-thirds under George W. Bush, this was probably inevitable. | Aug 02 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | http://politics.slashdot.org/story/15/08/01/1639256/microsoft-taps-pbs-to-advance-its-national-talent-strategy-with-code-trip | Aug 02 03:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-politics.slashdot.org | Microsoft Taps PBS To Advance Its National Talent Strategy With 'Code Trip' - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/nbuq0 ] | Aug 02 03:34 | |
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| oiaohm | Just noticed cups has added 3d printing support | Aug 02 04:30 |
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| cubexyz | well, I gave it my best shot but I could get xmmix to run on Linux | Aug 02 06:25 |
| cubexyz | a pity | Aug 02 06:25 |
| cubexyz | s/could/couldn't/ | Aug 02 06:25 |
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| DaemonFC | Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/42.0.2311.135 Safari/537.36 Edge/12.10136 | Aug 02 06:46 |
| DaemonFC | Heh | Aug 02 06:46 |
| DaemonFC | I like how the user agent for Edge starts at version 12. | Aug 02 06:47 |
| DaemonFC | https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2015/06/17/building-a-more-interoperable-web-with-microsoft-edge/ | Aug 02 06:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.windows.com | Building a more interoperable Web with Microsoft Edge | Microsoft Edge Dev Blog [ http://ur1.ca/nbw1t ] | Aug 02 06:48 | |
| schestowitz | lol | Aug 02 06:48 |
| schestowitz | interop | Aug 02 06:48 |
| schestowitz | now they have TWO browsers bolted into the OS | Aug 02 06:48 |
| schestowitz | not one | Aug 02 06:48 |
| schestowitz | and web devs need to test with more crappy browsers | Aug 02 06:48 |
| DaemonFC | They say that their goal is to make it work like Webkit in practice. | Aug 02 06:49 |
| schestowitz | MS and PBS, eh? | Aug 02 06:49 |
| schestowitz | !google pbs techrights | Aug 02 06:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Bill Gates Pays National Television (This Time PBS) for ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/01/10/public-broadcasting-service-as-instrument/ | Aug 02 06:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - What Has Happened to The Guardian? | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/05/27/the-guardian-fails/ | Aug 02 06:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique | Aug 02 06:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - 2014 December 14 | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2014/12/14/ | Aug 02 06:49 |
| DaemonFC | "Over the past year, we’ve seen some UA-sniffing sites that have been updated to detect Microsoft Edge… only to provide it with a legacy IE11 code path. This is not the best approach, as Microsoft Edge matches ‘WebKit’ behaviors, not IE11 behaviors (any Edge-WebKit differences are bugs that we’re interested in fixing). In our experience Microsoft Edge runs best on the ‘WebKit’ code paths in these sites. Also, with | Aug 02 06:49 |
| DaemonFC | the internet becoming available on a wider variety of devices, please assume unknown browsers are good – please don’t limit your site to working only on a small set of current known browsers. If you do this, your site will almost certainly break in the future." | Aug 02 06:49 |
| schestowitz | lol | Aug 02 06:50 |
| DaemonFC | This sounds an awful lot like what Firefox was saying back when IE 6 was being used by over 80% of web users. | Aug 02 06:50 |
| schestowitz | pot, kettle... | Aug 02 06:50 |
| DaemonFC | "In 2014, we had to add support for WebKit-prefixed CSS to render a very large number of modern (mobile) sites, after which we observed an improvement on more than 40% of mobile web sites. Rendering a usable mobile Web now depends on your browser supporting WebKit CSS prefixes; an approach that even Firefox is using." | Aug 02 06:51 |
| DaemonFC | Then they go on to say that you make your browser interoperable by just giving up and doing what Webkit does, even though it's not standardized. | Aug 02 06:52 |
| DaemonFC | *barf* | Aug 02 06:52 |
| schestowitz | yeah, lies for that headline | Aug 02 06:52 |
| schestowitz | "https://blogs.gnome.org/ignatenko/2015/07/31/fedora-22-on-cubietruck/" | Aug 02 06:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://blogs.gnome.org/ignatenko/2015/07/31/fedora-22-on-cubietruck/ ) | Aug 02 06:53 | |
| schestowitz | oops | Aug 02 06:53 |
| schestowitz | "Building a more interoperable Web with Microsoft Edge" | Aug 02 06:53 |
| schestowitz | Good, tell me more..." | Aug 02 06:53 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: ta for the link | Aug 02 06:55 |
| schestowitz | to some soon | Aug 02 06:55 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft -- Like Bill Gates -- Bribes PBS for Propaganda as 'Programme'" | Aug 02 06:55 |
| schestowitz | I wouldn't have noticed otherwise | Aug 02 06:55 |
| schestowitz | " PBS's announcement that it will air the Microsoft-funded 'reality' show Code Trip, " | Aug 02 06:55 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, like Koch-funded | Aug 02 06:55 |
| schestowitz | PBS is a sham now | Aug 02 06:55 |
| schestowitz | like BBC | Aug 02 06:55 |
| schestowitz | Should remove the "P" from the ecoronym | Aug 02 06:56 |
| *schestowitz scrolls up a bit | Aug 02 06:57 | |
| schestowitz | [03:34] <DaemonFC> Microsoft bought themselves a show on PBS. This comes after Walmart and the oil companies did the same thing. | Aug 02 06:57 |
| schestowitz | [03:34] <DaemonFC> Of course, with everyday people losing their personal wealth and being left unable to donate, while PBS had their public funding slashed by more than two-thirds under George W. Bush, this was probably inevitable. | Aug 02 06:57 |
| schestowitz | yes, PBS a sham now | Aug 02 06:58 |
| schestowitz | also did this for gates, maybe monsanto IIRC | Aug 02 06:58 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.hackersonlineclub.com/2015/08/oops-new-microsoft-windows-10-is-spying.html | Aug 02 06:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.hackersonlineclub.com | Oops! New Microsoft Windows 10 Is Spying On You - Hackers Online Club (HOC) [ http://ur1.ca/nbw4g ] | Aug 02 06:58 | |
| DaemonFC | They've been like this for years though. | Aug 02 06:58 |
| schestowitz | yes, not denying it | Aug 02 06:59 |
| schestowitz | same for BBC... | Aug 02 06:59 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is just the latest "sponsor" that has hijacked PBS. | Aug 02 06:59 |
| schestowitz | people must be wiser and demand change | Aug 02 06:59 |
| DaemonFC | It's not public broadcasting. It's just a zombie. | Aug 02 06:59 |
| schestowitz | I spoke to someone from Microsoft yetserday | Aug 02 06:59 |
| schestowitz | for half an hour | Aug 02 06:59 |
| schestowitz | they're not even told what's going on | Aug 02 06:59 |
| DaemonFC | http://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2015/05/06/a-break-from-the-past-part-2-saying-goodbye-to-activex-vbscript-attachevent/ | Aug 02 07:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.windows.com | A break from the past, part 2: Saying goodbye to ActiveX, VBScript, attachEvent… | Microsoft Edge Dev Blog [ http://ur1.ca/nbw4y ] | Aug 02 07:01 | |
| DaemonFC | Internet Explorer had accumulated a lot of garbage over the years, but it's still in Windows 10 and can't be removed. | Aug 02 07:01 |
| DaemonFC | Paul Thurrott said that Microsoft could release a platform update at some point along the way that rips it out, but they probably won't. | Aug 02 07:02 |
| DaemonFC | The support roadmap says that they're going to do security patches only for the next ten years, so it'll be there through 2025. They made it a part of the "platform", so there's really nothing they can do about this. If they remove it, thousands of applications that assume it's there and go to use it will break. | Aug 02 07:03 |
| schestowitz | will Micosoft last that long? | Aug 02 07:07 |
| schestowitz | They already killed phones, Windows RT | Aug 02 07:07 |
| schestowitz | one more update and it's abandoned | Aug 02 07:07 |
| DaemonFC | 220,000 lines of code, 6 document modes, and 300+ APIs removed from Trident for the EdgeHTML fork. | Aug 02 07:07 |
| DaemonFC | Damn. I didn't know IE had gotten that bad. | Aug 02 07:08 |
| schestowitz | yuck | Aug 02 07:08 |
| schestowitz | apparently there are enough fools who do 'upgrade' to it | Aug 02 07:09 |
| schestowitz | though you can't quite say how many | Aug 02 07:09 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft lies about the numbers | Aug 02 07:09 |
| schestowitz | (as it always does) | Aug 02 07:09 |
| DaemonFC | Apparently, an unnamed source said 67 million as of yesterday. | Aug 02 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | Doesn't seem right to me, but some sites repeated that figure. | Aug 02 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | Phoronix repeated it. | Aug 02 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | If we're supposed to believe that, then that means that Windows 7 and 8 basically collapsed in just two days, which is pretty far-fetched. | Aug 02 07:11 |
| DaemonFC | Lots of people have those OEM systems stuffed with bloatware and haven't been updating their system. Someone I know told me that he's too afraid to upgrade because it might cause him to lose everything. It'll make a damned mess for sure, with all of the stupid shit Lenovo did to his laptop before they shipped it. | Aug 02 07:12 |
| DaemonFC | "We recently demonstrated our early work on a modern, HTML/JavaScript-based extension model to provide extensibility beyond what is available with HTML5. " | Aug 02 07:14 |
| DaemonFC | Wouldn't surprise me if they make it extremely close to the extension model of Chrome or Safari, to encourage ports. | Aug 02 07:14 |
| schestowitz | [07:10] <DaemonFC> Doesn't seem right to me, but some sites repeated that figure. | Aug 02 07:15 |
| schestowitz | [07:10] <DaemonFC> Phoronix repeated it. | Aug 02 07:15 |
| schestowitz | EXACTLY | Aug 02 07:15 |
| DaemonFC | With the license that Mozilla had pdf.js under, it wouldn't surprise me if that's Edge's PDF viewer. | Aug 02 07:15 |
| schestowitz | and I chastised Michael over it | Aug 02 07:15 |
| DaemonFC | They took asm.js. | Aug 02 07:15 |
| schestowitz | BTW, Phoronix is not spyware-infected | Aug 02 07:15 |
| schestowitz | some pages have JS from over 30 (THIRTY) domains | Aug 02 07:15 |
| DaemonFC | I'm using Firefox Nightly 64-bit right now. | Aug 02 07:16 |
| schestowitz | asm.js is Eich's | Aug 02 07:16 |
| schestowitz | and I think he's not strong enough to stand up to MS now | Aug 02 07:16 |
| schestowitz | I talked to him a lot in twitter | Aug 02 07:16 |
| schestowitz | he doesn't realise how dangerous mono is | Aug 02 07:16 |
| schestowitz | so I explained to him | Aug 02 07:16 |
| schestowitz | he's still not convinces | Aug 02 07:17 |
| schestowitz | *ced | Aug 02 07:17 |
| DaemonFC | Notice that under "Why we don't need them now" they don't mention that ActiveX and BHOs were mostly malware or shit security toolbars, or malware toolbars. | Aug 02 07:17 |
| DaemonFC | Hmm, they cloned the about:flags menu. | Aug 02 07:18 |
| DaemonFC | They have one like the one Chrome uses, to let you enable "experiments". | Aug 02 07:19 |
| schestowitz | "about:thing" is a netscape/mozilla thing | Aug 02 07:21 |
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| DaemonFC | Man, this list of stuff they removed. | Aug 02 07:26 |
| DaemonFC | It's like everything they ever did to try to hijack the web. | Aug 02 07:26 |
| DaemonFC | It goes on into another page. | Aug 02 07:27 |
| DaemonFC | https://gist.github.com/MSEdge/63a18da22c1da2639b1a | Aug 02 07:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gist.github.com | Proprietary / Non-Inteoperable IE APIs no longer in Microsoft Edge · GitHub [ http://ur1.ca/nbwc0 ] | Aug 02 07:27 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-music-has-big-problems-2015-7 | Aug 02 07:31 |
| DaemonFC | Apple Music launch flops. It's full of infuriating bugs and features that nobody will ever use. | Aug 02 07:31 |
| DaemonFC | I can't say that I recall the last time that Spotify deleted songs out of my playlists or had playlists that they created that told me that I wasn't licensed to listen to them. :) | Aug 02 07:31 |
| DaemonFC | "Apple Music is shaping up to be Apple's worst received product launch since Apple Maps in 2012. | Aug 02 07:31 |
| DaemonFC | Apple Music, released in June, was supposed to be Apple's big splash into the world of subscription on-demand music and online radio. But it seems to have a lot of bugs. | Aug 02 07:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | Apple Music has big problems - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/nbwcv ] | Aug 02 07:31 | |
| DaemonFC | Longtime Apple watcher Jim Dalrymple wrote about his experiences last week, saying that the Apple Music app on his phone deleted more than 4,000 songs after presenting a bunch of confusing options that were hard to override. (He later got most of it back.)" | Aug 02 07:31 |
| DaemonFC | I think what he means is that they deleted over 4,000 songs that were actually stored on his iPhone from iTunes. | Aug 02 07:33 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.billboard.com/articles/business/6641711/al-franken-apple-music-app-store-letter-ftc | Aug 02 07:33 |
| DaemonFC | Said the article, in part, | Aug 02 07:33 |
| DaemonFC | As previously reported, Apple takes a 30 percent cut of all purchases within its App store. Outside developers are barred from informing consumers within their App pages that the same service can be purchased on their third-party websites, thereby cutting Apple out of the equation. Rules also prohibit apps from including a link to their websites and from mentioning other platforms, like Google Play. | Aug 02 07:33 |
| DaemonFC | "These types of restrictions seem to offer no competitive benefit and may actually undermine the competitive process, to the detriment of consumers, who may end up paying substantially more than the current market price point," Franken said in his letter. | Aug 02 07:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.billboard.com | Sen. Al Franken Wants Federal Probe of Apple Music, App Store Practices | Billboard [ http://ur1.ca/nbpfq ] | Aug 02 07:33 | |
| DaemonFC | Franken's letter addresses concerns from music streaming services that believe consumers should be better informed about pricing disparities between the App store and their websites. Services including Spotify and Rdio charge $12.99/month in the App store to account for Apple's 30 percent cut. If purchased directly, the price would be $9.99/month. | Aug 02 07:33 |
| DaemonFC | Taking matters into their own hands, Spotify recently announced plans to email iPhone users with directions on how to alter their subscriptions in order to save a few dollars each month. "It's super simple," the emailed tutorial reads. | Aug 02 07:33 |
| DaemonFC | Apple Music, which launched June 30 to much fanfare, also charges $9.99 but does not have to worry about the company's 30 percent. | Aug 02 07:33 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if Apple will get angry about that and ban direct contact by email to tell their users that Apple is screwing them out of that money. | Aug 02 07:34 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: https://twitter.com/alphabetsuccess/status/627690301474222080 | Aug 02 07:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@alphabetsuccess: Budapest is Sleeping by Oscar Garcia-Olalla https://t.co/K7UAzJVk4y http://t.co/yZ5GPoC75q | Aug 02 07:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> 500px.com | Budapest is sleeping by Oscar García-Olalla / 500px | Aug 02 07:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@alphabetsuccess: Budapest is Sleeping by Oscar Garcia-Olalla https://t.co/K7UAzJVk4y http://t.co/yZ5GPoC75q | Aug 02 07:35 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/3fc7ov/as_microsoft_astroturfingpr_budget_runs_dry_vista/ | Aug 02 07:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | As Microsoft AstroTurfing/PR Budget Runs Dry, Vista 10 Truths Come Out : conspiracy [ http://ur1.ca/nbweu ] | Aug 02 07:41 | |
| msb__ | PBS was hijacked decades ago. It used to have programs questioning actions of the US government. Then that suddenly stopped. The US govt and all major US corporations comprise a single entity in their motives, propaganda lines, and mutual assistance. They are all run by psychopaths, organized together, and viewing humanity as prey. | Aug 02 07:47 |
| msb__ | To realize the implications of this it helps to think of high-level psychopaths as insectoid aliens. They are inhuman/anti-human to that degree. Thinking of them that way helps overcome the distortion they create in our minds. They have gotten very good at passing for human; that is a standard psychopath trait. Think of Obama, charming and constantly smiling, as he destroyed Libya and installed a Nazi government in Ukraine. | Aug 02 07:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.heraldscotland.com/business/13524598.Bringing_Boston_back_home/ | Aug 02 08:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.heraldscotland.com | Bringing Boston back home (From Herald Scotland) [ http://ur1.ca/nbwkr ] | Aug 02 08:04 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.geek.com/news/kim-dotcom-says-his-own-mega-cloud-storage-service-isnt-safe-anymore-1629958/ | Aug 02 08:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geek.com | Kim Dotcom says his own Mega cloud storage service isn’t safe anymore | News | Geek.com [ http://ur1.ca/nbwmw ] | Aug 02 08:13 | |
| schestowitz | "The statements were made in a Slashdot Q&A session with the Mega founder. According to Dotcom, matters have conspired to wrest control of Mega from him. Because of his ongoing legal difficulties, he has opted to transfer all his shares in Mega to his wife. However, they’re now separated and reportedly heading for divorce." | Aug 02 08:13 |
| schestowitz | Crap, I have family videos on there | Aug 02 08:13 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6414871 | Aug 02 08:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Cecil the lion's brother #Jericho shot dead on SAME day #Zimbabwe bans hunting http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/cecil-lions-brother-jericho-shot-6178481 | Aug 02 08:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.mirror.co.uk | Cecil the lion's brother Jericho 'shot dead' on SAME day Zimbabwe bans hunting - Mirror Online [ http://ur1.ca/nbvmj ] | Aug 02 08:30 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/08/01/428426035/jericho-isnt-cecils-brother-and-is-probably-still-alive-lion-researcher-says | Aug 02 08:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.npr.org | Jericho Isn't Cecil's Brother And Is Probably Still Alive, Lion Researcher Says : The Two-Way : NPR [ http://ur1.ca/nbwqw ] | Aug 02 08:30 | |
| schestowitz | Maybe someone bamboozled the media | Aug 02 08:30 |
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| schestowitz | msb__: I would not say "Nazi government in Ukraine." | Aug 02 08:37 |
| schestowitz | To sound credible say, "government sympathetic to nazi idealogy" | Aug 02 08:38 |
| schestowitz | or something along those lines | Aug 02 08:38 |
| schestowitz | most people don't know the history of Ukraine | Aug 02 08:38 |
| schestowitz | and how some of them liaised with the Nazis against the Soviets | Aug 02 08:38 |
| schestowitz | Some worked in the death camps and were more feared than German-Austrian SS officers | Aug 02 08:38 |
| schestowitz | it's worth reminding to people | Aug 02 08:39 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/06/1282523/-The-Guardian-Western-Expansion-Aims-Helped-Put-Fascists-And-Neo-Nazis-in-Power-in-Ukraine | Aug 02 08:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailykos.com | The Guardian: Western Expansion Aims Helped Put Fascists And Neo-Nazis in Power in Ukraine [ http://ur1.ca/nbwtb ] | Aug 02 08:41 | |
| schestowitz | Max Blumenthal: http://www.salon.com/2014/02/25/is_the_us_backing_neo_nazis_in_ukraine_partner/ | Aug 02 08:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.salon.com | Is the US backing neo-Nazis in Ukraine? - Salon.com [ http://ur1.ca/gxii9 ] | Aug 02 08:41 | |
| schestowitz | "White supremacist banners and Confederate flags were draped inside Kiev’s occupied City Hall, and demonstrators have hoisted Nazi SS and white power symbols over a toppled memorial to V.I. Lenin. After Yanukovich fled his palatial estate by helicopter, EuroMaidan protesters destroyed a memorial to Ukrainians who died battling German occupation during World War II. Sieg heil salutes and the Nazi Wolfsangel symbol have become an | Aug 02 08:42 |
| schestowitz | increasingly common site in Maidan Square, and neo-Nazi forces have established “autonomous zones” in and around Kiev." | Aug 02 08:42 |
| schestowitz | "One of the “Big Three” political parties behind the protests is the ultra-nationalist Svoboda, whose leader, Oleh Tyahnybok, has called for the liberation of his country from the “Muscovite-Jewish mafia.” After the 2010 conviction of the Nazi death camp guard John Demjanjuk for his supporting role in the death of nearly 30,000 people at the Sobibor camp, Tyahnybok rushed to Germany to declare him a hero who was “fighting for truth | Aug 02 08:43 |
| schestowitz | ” In the Ukrainian parliament, where Svoboda holds an unprecedented 37 seats, Tyahnybok’s deputy Yuriy Mykhalchyshyn is fond of quoting Joseph Goebbels – he has even founded a think tank originally called “the Joseph Goebbels Political Research Center.” According to Per Anders Rudling, a leading academic expert on European neo-fascism, the self-described “socialist nationalist” Mykhalchyshyn is the main link between Svoboda’s | Aug 02 08:43 |
| schestowitz | official wing and neo-Nazi militias like Right Sector." | Aug 02 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | Hmm, I jsut ran into a bitcoin mining trojan. | Aug 02 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Defender popped up and quarantined it. | Aug 02 08:43 |
| schestowitz | "Svoboda’s openly pro-Nazi politics have not deterred Senator John McCain from addressing a EuroMaidan rally alongside Tyahnybok, nor did it prevent Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland from enjoying a friendly meeting with the Svoboda leader this February. Eager to fend off accusations of anti-Semitism, the Svoboda leader recently hosted the Israeli Ambassador to Ukraine. “I would like to ask Israelis to also respect our | Aug 02 08:43 |
| schestowitz | patriotic feelings,” Tyahnybok has remarked. “Probably each party in the [Israeli] Knesset is nationalist. With God’s help, let it be this way for us too.”" | Aug 02 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | At least something works. :P | Aug 02 08:43 |
| schestowitz | "Two weeks later, 15,000 Svoboda members held a torchlight ceremony in the city of Lviv in honor of Stepan Bandera, a World War II-era Nazi collaborator who led the pro-fascist Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN-B). Lviv has become the epicenter of neo-fascist activity in Ukraine, with elected Svoboda officials waging a campaign to rename its airport after Bandera and successfully changing the name of Peace Street to the name of the | Aug 02 08:43 |
| schestowitz | Nachtigall Battalion, an OUN-B wing that participated directly in the Holocaust. “’Peace’ is a holdover from Soviet stereotypes,” a Svoboda deputy explained." | Aug 02 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I found out that AT&T and Verizon removed Microsoft's apps from their Galaxy S6 phones. | Aug 02 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | No OneDrive or OneNote. | Aug 02 08:44 |
| schestowitz | "Revered by Ukrainian nationalists as a legendary freedom fighter, Bandera’s real record was ignominious at best. After participating in a campaign to assassinate Ukrainians who supported accommodation with the Polish during the 1930’s, Bandera’s forces set themselves to ethnically cleanse western Ukraine of Poles in 1943 and 1944. In the process, they killed over 90,000 Poles and many Jews, whom Bandera’s top deputy and acting “ | Aug 02 08:44 |
| schestowitz | Prime Minister,” Yaroslav Stetsko, were determined to exterminate. Bandera held fast to fascist ideology in the years after the war, advocating a totalitarian, ethnically pure Europe while his affiliated Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) carried out a doomed armed struggle against the Soviet Union. The bloodbath he inspired ended when KGB agents assassinated him in Munich in 1959." | Aug 02 08:44 |
| DaemonFC | You can't remove them from the Sprint phone though. They're "system apps". | Aug 02 08:44 |
| schestowitz | "Many surviving OUN-B members fled to Western Europe and the United States – occasionally with CIA help – where they quietly forged political alliances with right-wing elements. “You have to understand, we are an underground organization. We have spent years quietly penetrating positions of influence,” one member told journalist Russ Bellant, who documented the group’s resurgence in the United States in his 1988 book, “Old Nazis, | Aug 02 08:44 |
| schestowitz | New Right, and the Republican Party.”" | Aug 02 08:44 |
| schestowitz | "When the Justice Department launched a crusade to capture and prosecute Nazi war criminals in 1985, UCCA snapped into action, lobbying Congress to halt the initiative. “The UCCA has also played a leading role in opposing federal investigations of suspected Nazi war criminals since those queries got underway in the late 1970’s,” Bellant wrote. “Some UCCA members have many reasons to worry – reasons which began in the 1930’s.”" | Aug 02 08:44 |
| schestowitz | [08:43] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, I found out that AT&T and Verizon removed Microsoft's apps from their Galaxy S6 phones. | Aug 02 08:45 |
| schestowitz | great | Aug 02 08:45 |
| schestowitz | MS used patent lawsuit for this | Aug 02 08:46 |
| schestowitz | !google techrights samsung patents apps microsoft | Aug 02 08:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Microsoft Hates Linux – Part II – Patent Lawsuits Against ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2015/03/21/patent-lawsuits-not-love/ | Aug 02 08:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Microsoft Reportedly Uses Patent Blackmail Against ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2015/02/14/patent-blackmail-tactic/ | Aug 02 08:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - There is No 'New Microsoft': Under Nadella, Patent ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2015/07/06/microsoft-vs-kyocera-android/ | Aug 02 08:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Microsoft Continues to Attack (and Tax) Linux Using ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2015/04/12/stabbing-linux-in-the-back/ | Aug 02 08:46 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. Sprint makes it impossible to remove them. | Aug 02 08:46 |
| schestowitz | I think all the above four are relevant to this | Aug 02 08:46 |
| DaemonFC | It's annoying as hell. OneDrive is in your notification tray wanting to back up files that you already backed up to Google. | Aug 02 08:47 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: maybe Spring plays ball for the blackmailer | Aug 02 08:47 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: so that NSA has two pools :-) | Aug 02 08:47 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft gives you 100 GB free for two years. | Aug 02 08:47 |
| schestowitz | !google dotcom mega not safe | Aug 02 08:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Kim Dotcom: 'I don't think your data is safe on Mega anymore' | http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/07/31/kim-dotcom-i-dont-think-your-data-is-safe-on-mega-anymore/ | Aug 02 08:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Interviews: Kim Dotcom Answers Your Questions - Slashdot | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/07/27/200204/interviews-kim-dotcom-answers-your-questions | Aug 02 08:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Kim Dotcom says his own Mega cloud storage service isn't safe ... | http://www.geek.com/news/kim-dotcom-says-his-own-mega-cloud-storage-service-isnt-safe-anymore-1629958/ | Aug 02 08:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Kim Dotcom Is Not Involved With Mega Anymore, Plans To Build Yet ... | http://techcrunch.com/2015/07/31/kim-dotcom-is-not-involved-with-mega-anymore-plans-to-build-yet-another-cloud-storage-service/ | Aug 02 08:47 |
| DaemonFC | Obviously the goal is to get you to pack it full of files so you have to pay up later. | Aug 02 08:47 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Aug 02 08:47 |
| schestowitz | 'cloud' BS | Aug 02 08:48 |
| schestowitz | will never fall for it, unless forced to, e.g. by employer | Aug 02 08:48 |
| DaemonFC | 15 GB on Google Drive is a lot of space because photos up to 16 MP and video up to 1080p doesn't count. They'll change the resolution if it's higher and you want them to be exempt. | Aug 02 08:48 |
| schestowitz | storage not on my device is not mine | Aug 02 08:49 |
| schestowitz | not controlled by me | Aug 02 08:49 |
| schestowitz | can be wiped on basis of pr0n, copyright, whetever... | Aug 02 08:49 |
| schestowitz | People are taken for fools | Aug 02 08:49 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. 64 GB of USB storage that plugs into your phone is only like $20, once. | Aug 02 08:49 |
| schestowitz | and some play along because they haven't the energy to fight bakc | Aug 02 08:49 |
| DaemonFC | And it never leaves your possession. | Aug 02 08:49 |
| oiaohm | Due to the policies I deal with a lot of stuff I place on cloud servers has to encrypted. | Aug 02 08:49 |
| schestowitz | with ssd on devices it's also getting hard to find the capacity to store | Aug 02 08:49 |
| schestowitz | and the apps push people to 'back up' their files | Aug 02 08:49 |
| oiaohm | Not by the provider but by local system. | Aug 02 08:49 |
| schestowitz | not to their own drives, but PRISM | Aug 02 08:50 |
| oiaohm | The thing I find annoying try getting people todo encrypted email. | Aug 02 08:50 |
| schestowitz | pgp | Aug 02 08:50 |
| oiaohm | Yep | Aug 02 08:50 |
| schestowitz | or don't talk to them | Aug 02 08:50 |
| schestowitz | or face to face | Aug 02 08:50 |
| schestowitz | after they take out the batteries from their 'phone' | Aug 02 08:50 |
| schestowitz | a friend of mine puts his phone inside his bag | Aug 02 08:51 |
| schestowitz | but he wears that fitbeat bs | Aug 02 08:51 |
| schestowitz | tracks his pulse all the time, sent to 'cloud' | Aug 02 08:51 |
| DaemonFC | I can't take the battery out of my phone. It's built-in. | Aug 02 08:51 |
| schestowitz | at least no microphone on it | Aug 02 08:51 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: hypePhone? | Aug 02 08:51 |
| DaemonFC | No, it's a Galaxy S6. | Aug 02 08:52 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: change 'phone' then | Aug 02 08:52 |
| schestowitz | wow, didn't know Samsung does this too now | Aug 02 08:52 |
| oiaohm | It getting harder to get phones with removeable batteries. | Aug 02 08:52 |
| schestowitz | Wow, I need to write about this... | Aug 02 08:52 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. Built-in battery and no SD card slot. | Aug 02 08:52 |
| DaemonFC | You can use USB OTG though. | Aug 02 08:52 |
| oiaohm | The battery type in phones can be explosive | Aug 02 08:53 |
| schestowitz | that's another issue | Aug 02 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I just leased it. | Aug 02 08:53 |
| oiaohm | So non removable causes problems to say the least when you asked people to leave them behind | Aug 02 08:53 |
| schestowitz | !google nvidia recalls tablet | Aug 02 08:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Nvidia: Home | http://tabletrecall.expertproductinquiry.com/ | Aug 02 08:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - NVIDIA Recalls Tablet Computers Due to Fire Hazard | CPSC.gov | https://www.cpsc.gov/en/Recalls/2015/NVIDIA-Recalls-Tablet-Computers/ | Aug 02 08:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - 88,000 Nvidia Shield tablets recalled due to heat risk | PCWorld | http://www.pcworld.com/article/2955182/tablets/88000-nvidia-shield-tablets-recalled-due-to-heat-risk.html | Aug 02 08:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Nvidia recalls Shield Android tablets over battery fire fears - Engadget | http://www.engadget.com/2015/07/31/nvidia-shield-tablet-recall/ | Aug 02 08:53 |
| schestowitz | (new) | Aug 02 08:53 |
| oiaohm | when in the past you could just ask for the battery. | Aug 02 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | I can't turn it in until July 2017, unless I pay all remaining lease payments on it. :P | Aug 02 08:54 |
| DaemonFC | So, I'm stuck with the S6 for the next two years. It's a decent phone though. | Aug 02 08:54 |
| DaemonFC | I just wish I could delete some of the bloatware. | Aug 02 08:54 |
| DaemonFC | Apparently, the bloatware situation on the S5 was worse. I heard that it had 42 more apps that couldn't be removed. | Aug 02 08:55 |
| DaemonFC | Apparently, Samsung was just flagging everything that anyone paid them to bundle as a "system app". | Aug 02 08:55 |
| DaemonFC | I turned off OneDrive by disabling it, and it warned me "This is a system app. If you disable it, your phone could malfunction.". | Aug 02 08:55 |
| DaemonFC | All I noticed is that the notifications wanting me to sign up for onedrive went away and my battery life improved. | Aug 02 08:56 |
| oiaohm | http://www.techtimes.com/articles/40827/20150320/samsung-galaxy-s6-battery-removable-yes-easy-to-remove-no.htm | Aug 02 08:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techtimes.com | Samsung Galaxy S6 Battery: Removable? Yes. Easy To Remove? No : PERSONAL TECH : Tech Times [ http://ur1.ca/nbwwt ] | Aug 02 08:58 | |
| oiaohm | Lot of battery removal problems start with the introduction of the near field stuff. | Aug 02 08:59 |
| schestowitz | wow | Aug 02 09:00 |
| schestowitz | you have to dismanle the thing | Aug 02 09:00 |
| schestowitz | cannot be done on the move | Aug 02 09:00 |
| schestowitz | like if you want privacy | Aug 02 09:00 |
| schestowitz | s2 made it easy | Aug 02 09:01 |
| schestowitz | flip it open | Aug 02 09:01 |
| schestowitz | push, remove | Aug 02 09:01 |
| schestowitz | my wife's... | Aug 02 09:01 |
| schestowitz | not hard to remove the battery in old Galaxies | Aug 02 09:01 |
| schestowitz | it only gets worse rather than better over time | Aug 02 09:01 |
| schestowitz | old feature phones I had made it super-easy to remove batteries | Aug 02 09:02 |
| oiaohm | Note its not just dismanle you have to heat it as well schestowitz | Aug 02 09:10 |
| oiaohm | Otherwise it not coming apart. | Aug 02 09:10 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE Announces the Beta of KDE Applications | Aug 02 09:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 15.08, Based on KDE Frameworks 5 | Aug 02 09:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/TFGpVwkv0J (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 02 09:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbx24 | Aug 02 09:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Announces the Beta of KDE Applications 15.08, Based on KDE Frameworks 5 | Tux Machines | Aug 02 09:19 | |
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| DaemonFC | I'm surprised that wireless charging works as well as it does. | Aug 02 09:25 |
| DaemonFC | It's only about 25% slower than the Adaptive Fast Charge 2.0 charger that you plug into the phone. | Aug 02 09:25 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: question is what does the power bill look like. | Aug 02 09:26 |
| DaemonFC | The charger detects whether the phone is there or not and turns itself on and off. | Aug 02 09:26 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Not that I mean percentage effectiveness. | Aug 02 09:26 |
| DaemonFC | If the phone is there and is fully charged, then the charger goes into a trickle charge mode to keep the phone at 100% until you pick it up. | Aug 02 09:27 |
| oiaohm | Australia we have increasing power prices. | Aug 02 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | 2 amp 5 volt is the wall adapter it says to use. | Aug 02 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | So, 10 watts if it's in use. | Aug 02 09:28 |
| oiaohm | And that is about the same as normal charge. So possilbe 25% more on power meter using wireless charging. | Aug 02 09:28 |
| oiaohm | Wireless charging in car where you have waste power would be ok. | Aug 02 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | Samsung's wall charger is 15 watt (1.67 amp 9 volt). | Aug 02 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | So, 15 watts, but it goes right into the phone. | Aug 02 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | Obviously, it's more efficient, but I doubt you'll notice much difference. | Aug 02 09:29 |
| oiaohm | Basically that is my problem I want to see the review of wireless vs wired. | Aug 02 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | Maybe 10 cents on your power bill for the month. | Aug 02 09:29 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: times that by 100+ staff and it starts adding up. | Aug 02 09:30 |
| oiaohm | power cost vs device replacement cost. | Aug 02 09:30 |
| oiaohm | Ie plugging devices is causes damage every time. | Aug 02 09:31 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.wirelesspowerconsortium.com/technology/why-not-a-wire-the-case-for-wireless-power.html | Aug 02 09:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wirelesspowerconsortium.com | Why Not A Wire? The case for wireless power [ http://ur1.ca/nbx5h ] | Aug 02 09:31 | |
| DaemonFC | According to this, the overall efficiency of wired charging is 50-64%, vs. wireless at about 60%. | Aug 02 09:32 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6414871 | Aug 02 09:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Cecil the lion's brother #Jericho shot dead on SAME day #Zimbabwe bans hunting http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/cecil-lions-brother-jericho-shot-6178481 | Aug 02 09:34 | |
| schestowitz | "One of the stories suggested the rumor was spread by, if I understood correctly, Zimbabwe’s equivalent of the National Inquirer, which is probably worse than your Daily Mail." | Aug 02 09:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.mirror.co.uk | Cecil the lion's brother Jericho 'shot dead' on SAME day Zimbabwe bans hunting - Mirror Online [ http://ur1.ca/nbvmj ] | Aug 02 09:34 | |
| schestowitz | Wow, worse than Daily Fail? Can't be... | Aug 02 09:35 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Ok by that they have airgapped section of the circuit that was normally there. | Aug 02 09:36 |
| schestowitz | phoronix access means access to a lot of scripts from external sites, I think some ads networks lumps them in | Aug 02 09:37 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/michaellarabel/status/627609932599201796 | Aug 02 09:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@michaellarabel: @schestowitz huh? | Aug 02 09:38 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/627505820742361088 | Aug 02 09:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: I've just opened a single article in the new #phoronix and my browser was asked to execute code from 30 different domains! @michaellarabel | Aug 02 09:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Sony Xperia Z4 Tablet Review: The Best Android | Aug 02 09:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tablet And A Real iPad Rival | Aug 02 09:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/RoRsclh8ay (www.forbes.com) | Aug 02 09:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | Sony Xperia Z4 Tablet Review: The Best Android Tablet And A Real iPad Rival - Forbes | Aug 02 09:40 | |
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| DaemonFC | iPhones can't do wireless charging, so Starbucks is selling this thing you can plug into their charging ports so you can put the thing on the mat, and the thing charges the iPhone. | Aug 02 09:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Plasma 5 (KDE) In Testing | Aug 02 09:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/wk0zciL6l1 | Aug 02 09:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (skitterman.wordpress.com) | Aug 02 09:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-skitterman.wordpress.com | Plasma 5 (KDE) In Testing | ScottK might have something to say ... | Aug 02 09:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbx7k | Aug 02 09:40 |
| DaemonFC | The dongle is like half the size of the iPhone. It really is quite funny. | Aug 02 09:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nextbit phone will “easily stand out” and be | Aug 02 09:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | priced affordibly http://t.co/BkTjEZ97VV | Aug 02 09:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 02 09:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Nextbit phone will “easily stand out” and be priced affordibly | Tux Machines | Aug 02 09:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbx7n | Aug 02 09:40 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: starbucks entices people with wifi, I find that pathetic | Aug 02 09:41 |
| schestowitz | and now charging stations | Aug 02 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | At this point, you might wonder "Why doesn't Starbucks just offer a wall outlet?". | Aug 02 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | They use PMA, which is designed to snoop on you while your phone charges. | Aug 02 09:42 |
| schestowitz | PMA? | Aug 02 09:42 |
| DaemonFC | It creates a GUID and matches it with your phone. | Aug 02 09:42 |
| schestowitz | ah, ok | Aug 02 09:42 |
| schestowitz | more "marketing" I guess | Aug 02 09:42 |
| schestowitz | I bet they also spy on wifi users and sell the data | Aug 02 09:42 |
| DaemonFC | That way, they know when you come in, where you sit, how long you stay there... | Aug 02 09:42 |
| schestowitz | didn't see their T&C and disclaimers | Aug 02 09:42 |
| schestowitz | but many coffee shops do that these days | Aug 02 09:42 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, It's not just coffee shops. | Aug 02 09:43 |
| DaemonFC | Practically everywhere has wifi now. | Aug 02 09:43 |
| schestowitz | yes, malls too | Aug 02 09:43 |
| schestowitz | but I think it's considered 'standard' for coffee shops | Aug 02 09:43 |
| DaemonFC | Restaurants, doctor's offices, hospitals, gas stations, malls... | Aug 02 09:43 |
| schestowitz | here at least | Aug 02 09:43 |
| DaemonFC | Fort Wayne has one called Fort Wayne Downtown Wifi. | Aug 02 09:43 |
| schestowitz | doctor's offices less likely to spy | Aug 02 09:44 |
| schestowitz | here at least | Aug 02 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | I tried using it during a concert, but nothing would go through. | Aug 02 09:44 |
| schestowitz | too small to operate at this scale | Aug 02 09:44 |
| schestowitz | like selling data | Aug 02 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | They had thousands of people all trying to use it at once. | Aug 02 09:44 |
| schestowitz | unless they bring in some "provider" to set up the hotspot | Aug 02 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, It's in most places now. | Aug 02 09:44 |
| MinceR | 074900 < DaemonFC> They say that their goal is to make it work like Webkit in practice. | Aug 02 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast is like the second largest ISP in America, and they turned everyone's router into an open hotspot for other Comcast customers. | Aug 02 09:45 |
| MinceR | when did they ever not lie about their goals? | Aug 02 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | So you can log on to xfinitywifi and it will remember your device and let you automatically connect next time. | Aug 02 09:45 |
| MinceR | oh, i guess when ballmer said he wants to "fucking kill google" | Aug 02 09:45 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I wonder if BT OpenZone is like that | Aug 02 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | I ran into a weird bug in Edge. I click View Source and it goes "ding ding" and doesn't open anything. | Aug 02 09:46 |
| DaemonFC | And then the browser window can't be closed. | Aug 02 09:46 |
| DaemonFC | You have to kill it with the Task Manager. | Aug 02 09:46 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: LOL | Aug 02 09:46 |
| schestowitz | I forgot about that | Aug 02 09:46 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, They can't do that with my router. I own my router. | Aug 02 09:46 |
| schestowitz | Eventually it's Google f**ing killing MSFT | Aug 02 09:46 |
| DaemonFC | There's also a hidden configuration option on Comcast's website that lets you turn yours off, but it's buried so people won't easily find it. | Aug 02 09:47 |
| schestowitz | wow | Aug 02 09:47 |
| schestowitz | if BT had done the same, I'd probably know by now | Aug 02 09:47 |
| schestowitz | So I guess it's more likely some other airbourne signal | Aug 02 09:47 |
| schestowitz | but not sure which/how | Aug 02 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. You'll know. If you have Comcast and there's two wifi networks (yours and xfinitywifi) and they have the same signal strength, then that's what's happening. | Aug 02 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I just think it's stupid and wrong to implement vendor prefixes like that. | Aug 02 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | -webkit- has turned into the new user agent. | Aug 02 09:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines gtkmm now uses C++11 http://t.co/3YJCLL9NFf | Aug 02 09:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.murrayc.com) | Aug 02 09:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nbx95 | Aug 02 09:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.murrayc.com | gtkmm now uses C++11 | Murray's Blog | Aug 02 09:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Testing systemd-networkd based Fedora 22 AMI(s) | Aug 02 09:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Rz0R4ht4fh (kushaldas.in) let's | Aug 02 09:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kushaldas.in | Testing systemd-networkd based Fedora 22 AMI(s) | Aug 02 09:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | still pretend it's "init system" | Aug 02 09:49 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat Receives Average Recommendation of | Aug 02 09:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | “Buy” from Analysts (NYSE:RHT) | Aug 02 09:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/fw4LfT5Vps | Aug 02 09:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dakotafinancialnews.com | Red Hat Receives Average Recommendation of “Buy” from Analysts (NYSE:RHT) | Aug 02 09:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.dakotafinancialnews.com) | Aug 02 09:49 |
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| DaemonFC | Web developers figure that if Webkit supports something, that's good enough, even if it's not a standard, and even if it's experimental. | Aug 02 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | So, Webkit *is* the new Internet Explorer. | Aug 02 09:50 |
| DaemonFC | IE/Edge and Firefox both are down to like 18% marketshare. | Aug 02 09:50 |
| DaemonFC | They're not the 800 pound gorillas that they were at one point. | Aug 02 09:50 |
| MinceR | well, i guess webkit did catch out somewhat in crashes | Aug 02 09:50 |
| DaemonFC | I suspect that people at Microsoft are really pissed about having to delete thousands of attempts they made over the years to subvert the web. | Aug 02 09:51 |
| DaemonFC | That's not a small amount of code. 220,000 lines, six document rendering modes, and 300+ APIs (according to them). | Aug 02 09:51 |
| DaemonFC | They paid programmers probably millions of dollars to sit there and write this crap over the years, only to turn around and give up and delete it. | Aug 02 09:52 |
| MinceR | they still paid them sparingly, probably :> | Aug 02 09:53 |
| DaemonFC | They tried to make vbscript the scripting language of the web, because it could only fully work properly on Windows. ActiveX was about running Windows programs in the browser. DirectX page effects were meant to only work on Windows *and* compete with stylesheets. | Aug 02 09:53 |
| MinceR | it's not like they're important to the company | Aug 02 09:53 |
| MinceR | they're not lawyers, marketroids or politicians | Aug 02 09:53 |
| DaemonFC | It goes on and on, and really, at the end of the day, they just wrote a really useful set of tools for malware. | Aug 02 09:53 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: had a good read over that wireless charging. Looks like it can techically match/beat the common chargers as the circuit other than construction is basically the same. Solid state DC to DC (no coil) gets up to 85% but those kind of devices are rare. | Aug 02 10:04 |
| oiaohm | vbscript and active-x was all about vendor lock in. | Aug 02 10:06 |
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| cubexyz | once the average person clues into the fact that one can run Linux/BSD on older computers just fine Microsoft is toast | Aug 02 10:18 |
| cubexyz | the whole house of cards comes down | Aug 02 10:18 |
| cubexyz | and the old HP Laserjets were a lot better than the crap disposable printers they make now | Aug 02 10:20 |
| cubexyz | once I realized that microsoft didn't write new drivers for older peripherals it was an easy choice to avoid windows | Aug 02 10:22 |
| cubexyz | Linux could do the same thing but I'm ready for that | Aug 02 10:23 |
| cubexyz | I have multiple computers from different eras, some of them in storage | Aug 02 10:23 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: Old machines build out of decent hardware. | Aug 02 10:24 |
| cubexyz | yes exactly | Aug 02 10:24 |
| cubexyz | there's really a lot of junk in computer stores these days | Aug 02 10:25 |
| cubexyz | it's kind of like an older person who knew how to fix cars | Aug 02 10:27 |
| cubexyz | they could keep that old car going almost indefinitely | Aug 02 10:27 |
| cubexyz | at least maximize it's lifespan | Aug 02 10:28 |
| oiaohm | I custom build my out of server rated parts. | Aug 02 10:29 |
| oiaohm | Does pay for itself. | Aug 02 10:29 |
| MinceR | DC to DC? how does that even work? | Aug 02 10:29 |
| MinceR | 111843 < cubexyz> the whole house of cards comes down | Aug 02 10:29 |
| MinceR | and that's when they ban and collect computers :> | Aug 02 10:30 |
| MinceR | "bekuz turrism" | Aug 02 10:30 |
| cubexyz | they can't really ban computers, people need them to do their work | Aug 02 10:30 |
| cubexyz | plus the ISPs are making good money | Aug 02 10:31 |
| MinceR | if only they cared about that | Aug 02 10:31 |
| MinceR | the ISPs would make good money with "cloud"-only terminals too | Aug 02 10:31 |
| cubexyz | no doubt the younger generation will stay on the upgrade treadmill until they learn better | Aug 02 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, well, if you're going to buy a Windows laptop, just go to the Microsoft Store. | Aug 02 10:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_converter DC to DC are very common using buck and insanely effective. I shoud not said no coil. No transforer single coil. 95% effectiveness. | Aug 02 10:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Buck converter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nbxkp ] | Aug 02 10:38 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: it is techically possilbe to run a buck down converter off 240 after a dc rectifer. | Aug 02 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | You get one from Walmart or Best Buy or somewhere, it has so much crapware on it, it's barely usable, and after you spend hours digging it all out, it all comes back if you ever use the recovery partition. :P | Aug 02 10:38 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: oh, i thought you were talking about wireless power transmission :) | Aug 02 10:39 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I was comparing wireless to wired. | Aug 02 10:39 |
| MinceR | i see | Aug 02 10:39 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: ie buck is the best possilbe wired. | Aug 02 10:39 |
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| oiaohm | Might be a danger to life | Aug 02 10:39 |
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| oiaohm | Main advantage of the transforer is isolation. | Aug 02 10:40 |
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| cubexyz | ha! | Aug 02 11:08 |
| cubexyz | patched xmmix | Aug 02 11:08 |
| cubexyz | used the old Redhat 7 patch files | Aug 02 11:08 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K57dVZ4oHtQ | Aug 02 11:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | The C90s - Shine A Light (Flight Facilities Remix) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nbxsl ] | Aug 02 11:15 | |
| DaemonFC | I've had that in my head since I played GTA V. | Aug 02 11:15 |
| gde33|2 | DaemonFC: here this will help https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APj2ArUy6v4 | Aug 02 11:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | The oompa loompa song =) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nbxu1 ] | Aug 02 11:20 | |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/new-desktop-better-than-windows-10.png | Aug 02 11:22 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/627765096673091584 | Aug 02 11:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Yes, because Suse, Red Hat or Nginx live off the air... | Aug 02 11:33 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/627767532657737728 | Aug 02 11:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz I never understand people who use the cloud exclusively. It's useful sure but combined with local backup. | Aug 02 11:34 | |
| schestowitz | depends on how one defines "cloud". Much of it is malicious. | Aug 02 11:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Citrix, Red Hat Helping Startup Companies | Aug 02 11:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Launch in Raleigh, N.C. http://t.co/7jeFeks2jo | Aug 02 11:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.thestreet.com) "Raleigh has seen a 23% | Aug 02 11:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thestreet.com | Citrix, Red Hat Helping Startup Companies Launch in Raleigh, N.C. - Video - TheStreet | Aug 02 11:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | increase in IT jobs" | Aug 02 11:36 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Codename CURE, A First Person, Co-operative | Aug 02 11:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Zombie Game Now On Linux | Aug 02 11:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/B379R4pDYe (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 02 11:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Codename CURE, A First Person, Co-operative Zombie Game Now On Linux | GamingOnLinux | Aug 02 11:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Razer's Android gamepad is now on Google Play | Aug 02 11:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | for $80 http://t.co/4I6igOCruX | Aug 02 11:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.engadget.com) | Aug 02 11:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com | Razer's Android gamepad is now on Google Play for $80 | Aug 02 11:37 | |
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| schestowitz | cubexyz: see logs | Aug 02 11:38 |
| schestowitz | I linked to that | Aug 02 11:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/new-desktop-better-than-windows-10.png | Aug 02 11:39 |
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| -NickServ-schestowitz!~roy@host109-155-204-61.range109-155.btcentralplus.com has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) | Aug 02 11:41 | |
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| DaemonFC | https://stallman.org/archives/2015-may-aug.html#01_August_2015_%28Cab_drivers_protest_Guber%29 | Aug 02 11:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | 2015: May - August Political Notes - Richard Stallman [ http://ur1.ca/nby17 ] | Aug 02 11:54 | |
| DaemonFC | My bf needed a ride to work today, but he lives 30 miles from me, so I gave him an Uber promo code for $30 credit towards a ride. The ride to work came out to $28. | Aug 02 11:54 |
| DaemonFC | Let Uber pay for it, why not? He switches to a location that's closer to home next Monday anyway, so he won't need Uber again. | Aug 02 11:55 |
| cubexyz | hehe | Aug 02 12:11 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Thanks for the links to the articles about previous Nazism in Ukraine. This article mentions the $5billion the US gave to support the new regime, and shows some of the Nazis in their uniforms. | Aug 02 12:13 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: The US has a similar history. Wealthy US fascists provided 75% of the money for Hitler's military buildup. The motive was simple: Socialism was threatening to cut off the richest 1% from their 99% of the profits. So US capitalists financed Hitler to destroy Socialism in the USSR and Europe. | Aug 02 12:16 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/profBury/status/627800581252497408 | Aug 02 12:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@profBury: Link http://t.co/fb8rKB5csP by @schestowitz is the most popular tweet in my news feed today. | Aug 02 12:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linkis.com | WikiLeaks - Target Tokyo - Linkis.com | Aug 02 12:19 | |
| msb__ | schestowitz: The US government, totally under control by wealthy US businessmen, spent the rest of the 20th Century after WW2 attacking socialists, socialist revolutions, and socialist nations around the world, for the same reason, murdering tens of millions of people in the process. http://cosmicpenguin.com/#American_Holocaust | Aug 02 12:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone [ http://ur1.ca/g23vd ] | Aug 02 12:20 | |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Oops, forgot the link for US fascists financing Hitler: http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_Nazis | Aug 02 12:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone | Aug 02 12:22 | |
| msb__ | The US has always supported the harshest dictators it could find, as they could be relied on to suppress workers' movements in their nations, and thus keep their population available as slaves to the US corporate branches there. | Aug 02 12:25 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Zidoo's 'X1' is a $59 Android media box that | Aug 02 12:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | touts its 4K prowess http://t.co/nxPAo88opJ | Aug 02 12:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.neowin.net) | Aug 02 12:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.neowin.net | Zidoo's 'X1' is a $59 Android media box that touts its 4K prowess | Aug 02 12:27 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A 6-Raspberry Pi 2 Cluster To Run Drupal In The | Aug 02 12:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Basement Has Been Created | Aug 02 12:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/NbE83ydSUJ (linuxg.net) | Aug 02 12:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net | A 6-Raspberry Pi 2 Cluster To Run Drupal In The Basement Has Been Created | LinuxG.net | Aug 02 12:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines debian efforts wasted on uefi | Aug 02 12:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Pbqlri7166 (blog.einval.com) | Aug 02 12:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/YU2RYG3ERd (techrights.org) | Aug 02 12:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.einval.com | Steve's blog | Aug 02 12:28 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | UEFI - Techrights | Aug 02 12:28 | |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Here's another US-Nazi connection, based on testimony and hundreds of photographs from Otto Skorzeny -- "Hitler's Commando" -- who was (is?) living in the US. | Aug 02 12:32 |
| msb__ | The book is well worth the $10! | Aug 02 12:33 |
| msb__ | http://www.thebushconnection.com/ | Aug 02 12:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thebushconnection.com | The Bush Connection|Index | Aug 02 12:33 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jblck/status/627804293693853696 | Aug 02 12:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jblck: @schestowitz Related: https://t.co/AMiUfVx76g | Aug 02 12:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jblck: What sort of murderous vermin would say,"We came, we saw, he died!" while smiling and laughing? Oh, Hillary Clinton https://t.co/R4b2nzo2Ji | Aug 02 12:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jblck/status/627802290703892482 | Aug 02 12:36 |
| msb__ | The truth about Libya (before Obama destroyed it): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJURNC0e6Ek | Aug 02 12:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Libya Truth (DnB Soundtrack) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/jld5s ] | Aug 02 12:39 | |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: EFI is a hard one. | Aug 02 12:43 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Linux world has been living work broken BIOS implmentations with issues in updating before EFI appeared. | Aug 02 12:43 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: at least with EFI 2.5 we at long last get at OS netural way to tell the firmware to update. | Aug 02 12:44 |
| DaemonFC | You could already do that with the BIOS. | Aug 02 12:52 |
| DaemonFC | At least, Dell had a utility that let you update your BIOS while you were booted into Linux. | Aug 02 12:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE Announces the Beta of KDE Applications | Aug 02 12:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 15.08, Based on KDE Frameworks 5 | Aug 02 12:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/XMLV0Tn8sS (linux.softpedia.com) | Aug 02 12:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | KDE Announces the Beta of KDE Applications 15.08, Based on KDE Frameworks 5 - Softpedia | Aug 02 12:54 | |
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| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: Well, now every motherboard supports that. | Aug 02 12:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Zorin OS 10 Core & Ultimate have arrived | Aug 02 12:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/1MUilEtJ40 (zoringroup.com) | Aug 02 12:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/yOpC35t1Bp (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 02 12:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-zoringroup.com | Zorin OS 10 Core & Ultimate have arrived | The official Zorin Blog | Aug 02 12:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Zorin OS 10 Is Out, the Best, Most Beautiful Release Yet, Based on Ubuntu 15.04 - Screenshot Tour - Softpedia | Aug 02 12:54 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: custom motherboards from all over the place would come with a dos update only program. | Aug 02 13:00 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: or worse | Aug 02 13:00 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: yes worse a Windows only update program. | Aug 02 13:00 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Dell some models did not work with generic linux update tool either. | Aug 02 13:00 |
| XRevan86 | I have a Windows PE CD-R for updating BIOS :). | Aug 02 13:03 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: Yep a horible I want to never have to use again. | Aug 02 13:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itv.com/news/channel/2015-07-31/s/ | Aug 02 13:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itv.com | Henry Cavill talks his new movie, fear of flying, and 'that' Siam Cup | Channel - ITV News [ http://ur1.ca/nbyi6 ] | Aug 02 13:05 | |
| schestowitz | gossip and crap | Aug 02 13:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines You Can Now Upload Screenshots To Imgur | Aug 02 13:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Directly From Elementary OS, Via The Imgur | Aug 02 13:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Uploader Contractor Plugin | Aug 02 13:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/c4FQUKAbZa (linuxg.net) | Aug 02 13:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net | You Can Now Upload Screenshots To Imgur Directly From Elementary OS, Via The Imgur Uploader Contractor Plugin | LinuxG.net | Aug 02 13:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Pixman Baking ARMv6, PowerPC 64 Improvements | Aug 02 13:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/sjevaDwImw (www.phoronix.com) | Aug 02 13:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Pixman Baking ARMv6, PowerPC 64 Improvements - Phoronix | Aug 02 13:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "KDEPIM 5.0 is the port of kdepim to kf5/qt5." | Aug 02 13:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/tybOSdqEqH (www.aegiap.eu) "I just | Aug 02 13:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | started the port of rsibreak to KF5." | Aug 02 13:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.aegiap.eu | What's in my mind » KDEPIM 5.0 | Aug 02 13:14 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/LTImNtA8dE (tsdgeos.blogspot.com) | Aug 02 13:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tsdgeos.blogspot.com | TSDgeos' blog: rsibreak port to KF5 started! | Aug 02 13:14 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LibreOffice 5.0 Arrives on August 5, Here's | Aug 02 13:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | What's New http://t.co/DRaxIWFVYZ | Aug 02 13:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 02 13:29 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice 5.0 Arrives on August 5, Here's What's New | Tux Machines | Aug 02 13:29 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Studio focuses on C++ editing | Aug 02 13:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/rL7bPmMQcY (www.infoworld.com) | Aug 02 13:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infoworld.com | Android Studio focuses on C++ editing | InfoWorld | Aug 02 13:29 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Top 5 Best New Free Android Games of July 2015 | Aug 02 13:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/MUHkVS2qHv (heavy.com) Action Games | Aug 02 13:29 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of July 2015 http://t.co/RX56FWzaq0 (heavy.com) | Aug 02 13:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-heavy.com | Top 5 Best New Free Android Games of July 2015 | Heavy.com | Aug 02 13:29 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-heavy.com | Top 5 Best New Android Action Games of July 2015 | Heavy.com | Aug 02 13:29 | |
| DaemonFC | https://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_et_md_pl?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdMsgID=MxE7SNAYBU5E15&cdMsgNo=36&cdPage=2&cdSort=oldest&cdThread=Tx2ZTJ9Q7SHBDB#MxE7SNAYBU5E15 | Aug 02 13:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: Senator Al Franken asks the DoJ to investigate Apple for possible illegal activity regarding their app store. [ http://ur1.ca/nbysv ] | Aug 02 13:52 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.businessinsider.com/no-more-storage-on-iphone-6-16gb-2015-2 | Aug 02 13:52 |
| DaemonFC | This woman got the 16 GB iPhone 6 thinking she'd be fine because her storage needs weren't big. I'll just quote her. | Aug 02 13:52 |
| DaemonFC | --- | Aug 02 13:52 |
| DaemonFC | "So why 16GB? I'm not a big app user, I use Spotify but my phone isn't loaded with music, and I don't download movies and TV shows. | Aug 02 13:52 |
| DaemonFC | 16GB, at the time of purchase, seemed like the perfect amount of space. I was wrong. Very wrong. Storage nearly full. 'Your phone is full, your phone is full, your phone is full.' That message will haunt me forever." | Aug 02 13:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | No More Storage On iPhone 6 16GB - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/nbyt0 ] | Aug 02 13:52 | |
| DaemonFC | [..] | Aug 02 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | "It seemed that within weeks of purchasing the 16GB iPhone 6, I was constantly making concessions in order to get everything I wanted on the phone. 'Oh, you want to take 50 photos? You can only take 37 because you have too many photos already,' my phone would tell me. I scrambled to delete Facebook more than once in the time I had the 16GB phone in order to free up space. Often it was a good method, but sometimes it wasn't enough. Why was I | Aug 02 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | paying so much for this phone if I wasn't even able to use it without having a panic attack?" | Aug 02 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | --- | Aug 02 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | So, that corroborates my claim that the first thing the 16 GB iPhone 6 will do is run out of space, even if you think you won't be storing much of anything on it. An iPhone with 16 GB of storage isn't even funny anymore. It's just crippleware that's there to make them seem like they are competitive with the Galaxy S6. Plain and simple. | Aug 02 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | Like Trevor Philips says in Grand Theft Auto V (you can't play it on a Mac, btw), "You only have yourself to blame!". | Aug 02 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | Apple sucks. | Aug 02 13:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android M Preview 3 Release Delayed as Google | Aug 02 13:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Works on “Near Final” Build | Aug 02 13:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/FIcxnzLkVe (www.droid-life.com) | Aug 02 13:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #android #linux | Aug 02 13:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.droid-life.com | Android M Preview 3 Release Delayed as Google Works on “Near Final” Build | Droid Life | Aug 02 13:59 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora 22 on Cubietruck https://t.co/qhnpBf0kD7 | Aug 02 14:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://blogs.gnome.org/ignatenko/2015/07/31/fedora-22-on-cubietruck/ ) | Aug 02 14:00 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linaro VLANd v0.3 http://t.co/bHv8Ztwydo | Aug 02 14:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (blog.einval.com) | Aug 02 14:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.einval.com | Steve's blog | Aug 02 14:00 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/627829839760891904 | Aug 02 14:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Civilian planes shot down by Russian AAA: 0. Civilian planes shot down by Ukraine: 1. Clearly MH17 is Russia's blame. | Aug 02 14:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Zorin OS 10 Core & Ultimate have arrived | Aug 02 14:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by http://t.co/1MUilEtJ40 (zoringroup.com) | Aug 02 14:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tokvbok http://t.co/yOpC35t1Bp (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 02 14:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-zoringroup.com | Zorin OS 10 Core & Ultimate have arrived | The official Zorin Blog | Aug 02 14:23 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Zorin OS 10 Is Out, the Best, Most Beautiful Release Yet, Based on Ubuntu 15.04 - Screenshot Tour - Softpedia | Aug 02 14:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Adventure RPG 'Evoland 2' Release Date | Aug 02 14:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Announced, Linux Release Shortly After | Aug 02 14:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/BCvKWAq8WE (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 02 14:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Adventure RPG 'Evoland 2' Release Date Announced, Linux Release Shortly After | GamingOnLinux | Aug 02 14:23 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.postbulletin.com/news/local/day-in-history-preparations-in-place-for-airport-dedication/article_dfa4c520-089d-5f7f-a0f9-dd415693de58.html | Aug 02 14:35 |
| schestowitz | "One year ago: The CIA's insistence that it did not spy on its Senate overseers collapsed with the release of a stark report by the agency's internal watchdog documenting improper computer surveillance and obstructionist behavior by CIA officers. The death toll from the worst recorded Ebola outbreak in history surpassed 700 in West Africa.' | Aug 02 14:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.postbulletin.com | Day in History: Preparations in place for airport dedication - PostBulletin.com: Local [ http://ur1.ca/nbz4i ] | Aug 02 14:35 | |
| schestowitz | cracking | Aug 02 14:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Casual Clickers 'AdVenture Capitalist' And | Aug 02 14:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 'Time Clickers' Now On Steam For Linux | Aug 02 14:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/EVHRiWlcBb (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 02 14:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Casual Clickers 'AdVenture Capitalist' And 'Time Clickers' Now On Steam For Linux | GamingOnLinux | Aug 02 14:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "This month I have been paid to work 15 hours | Aug 02 14:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | on Debian LTS." https://t.co/56RswpWpSv | Aug 02 14:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (raphaelhertzog.com) | Aug 02 14:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-raphaelhertzog.com | My Free Software Activities in July 2015 | Aug 02 14:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Another German (Sirko Kemter) who defected from | Aug 02 14:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | suse to fedora http://t.co/369zfp2sG2 | Aug 02 14:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (karl-tux-stadt.de) | Aug 02 14:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-karl-tux-stadt.de | Karl-Tux-Stadt » Blog Archi » Flock Update | Aug 02 14:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Don't Be Patchman Is The First Game On Steam To | Aug 02 14:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Be Linux Only https://t.co/U08LxpF5rx | Aug 02 14:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 02 14:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Don't Be Patchman Is The First Game On Steam To Be Linux Only | GamingOnLinux | Aug 02 14:52 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/627839294770683904 | Aug 02 14:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Because "democracy". | Aug 02 14:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6414116 | Aug 02 14:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "armies of automated takedown bots to generate censorship demands without human oversight" https://boingboing.net/2015/07/27/when-it-comes-to-censorship-w.html should be illegal w/ fines | Aug 02 14:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> boingboing.net | When it comes to censorship, WordPress has your back - Boing Boing [ http://ur1.ca/nbz8s ] | Aug 02 14:54 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6417003 | Aug 02 14:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "KDEPIM 5.0 is the port of kdepim to kf5/qt5." http://www.aegiap.eu/kdeblog/2015/08/kdepim-5-0/ "I just started the port of rsibreak to KF5." http://tsdgeos.blogspot.com/2015/08/rsibreak-port-to-kf5-started.html #kde | Aug 02 14:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.aegiap.eu | What's in my mind » KDEPIM 5.0 [ http://ur1.ca/nbz8v ] | Aug 02 14:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> tsdgeos.blogspot.com | TSDgeos' blog: rsibreak port to KF5 started! [ http://ur1.ca/nbz8w ] | Aug 02 14:54 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/627840015578628096 | Aug 02 14:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Everyone loves democracy as long as they are in the majority. | Aug 02 14:56 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/627841070982909953 | Aug 02 15:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Democracy means the power of the majority. Full stop. Rule of law and separate, limited powers are not a necessary consequence. | Aug 02 15:04 | |
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| cubexyz | another example of how old ways can sometimes be better... | Aug 02 15:08 |
| cubexyz | xmms has the ability to load configuration files | Aug 02 15:09 |
| cubexyz | kmix, at least in KDE 3.5 doesn't have that | Aug 02 15:09 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: xmms is an old music player that can associate equalizer files with songs, but I think you meant something else. | Aug 02 15:15 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/PObean/status/627846007708123136 | Aug 02 15:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@PObean: RT Our world is becoming a political freak show when people who attack democracy say they spread it and pro is "fo… https://t.co/RLG4l3Flua | Aug 02 15:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Our world is becoming a political freak show when people who attack democracy say they spread it and pro #censorship is "for free speech" | Aug 02 15:21 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/627852983674478592 | Aug 02 15:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Indeed. Say you do it for decency, for peace, for enlightened despotism if you will, just not free spewch. | Aug 02 15:47 | |
| cubexyz | msb__, yes | Aug 02 15:51 |
| cubexyz | I meant xmmix | Aug 02 15:51 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: It's simply large-scale psychopathic lying. A psychopath cop shouts "Stop resisting!" when he's clubbing a person who's face down on the ground. If someone can't clearly see what's happening, and trusts the police, then the lie is believed. It's a very standard psychopath technique, used by bullies everywhere. | Aug 02 15:53 |
| msb__ | Likewise, if the psychopath US govt/corporate complex wants to get rid of Gaddafi because he's a socialist, and that's bad for profits, and the govt/corps controls the commercial media, it has the media shout over and over that Gaddafi is a terrorist dictator. Bernays told them that if they do that they will be believed. | Aug 02 15:54 |
| msb__ | Then the US finds this militia (who are just gangsters who want to steal the oil and keep the profits) who claim to be a pro-democracy party, and gives them guns, and murders Gaddafi, and converts the nation which had had the highest standard of living in Africa (thanks to Gaddafi's socialism) into a seething hellhole of poverty and death. And the US claims over and over to have supported democracy because it got rid of a | Aug 02 15:54 |
| msb__ | terrorist dictator. And it is believed. | Aug 02 15:54 |
| cubexyz | I wonder what happened to Michael Slager | Aug 02 15:55 |
| msb__ | Who he? | Aug 02 15:55 |
| cubexyz | remember the guy who shot Walter Scott while he was trying to run away? | Aug 02 15:56 |
| cubexyz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Walter_Scott | Aug 02 15:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Shooting of Walter Scott - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nbzos ] | Aug 02 15:57 | |
| msb__ | Fired and charged with murder. Because he was caught on video. | Aug 02 15:59 |
| cubexyz | yes | Aug 02 15:59 |
| msb__ | That's the key. If there are lots of accurate alternative news sites (there are a dozen or two) that tell the truth about what the US is doing, and enough people read them, then the US can't get away with it. | Aug 02 16:03 |
| msb__ | RT is picking up info from some of these sites and broadcasting it on US cable TV! | Aug 02 16:05 |
| cubexyz | RT? | Aug 02 16:06 |
| msb__ | Russia Today | Aug 02 16:06 |
| msb__ | rt.com | Aug 02 16:06 |
| msb__ | They actually did a documentary on 911. Said the towers were brought down by explosives. Compared it to Operation Gladio. | Aug 02 16:07 |
| msb__ | They have Jesse Ventura on, who did such good documentaries on TV that he had to flee to Mexico. Even though he'd been governor of Minnesota. | Aug 02 16:09 |
| msb__ | Real news on American TV!!! | Aug 02 16:10 |
| msb__ | I just found out about it. | Aug 02 16:10 |
| msb__ | They did a story about Israeli atrocities in Gaza, bombing houses while people slept. They gave casualty figures in the thousands. | Aug 02 16:11 |
| msb__ | They had an economist on who recommended that people be given a Basic Income, enough to live on, because technology had eliminated so many of the jobs. | Aug 02 16:15 |
| msb__ | This is just in the three days that I've been watching it. | Aug 02 16:16 |
| msb__ | Maybe there's hope. Maybe our species isn't going to destroy itself. | Aug 02 16:16 |
| msb__ | It's gonna be close. There's a lot of methane hydrate (clathrate) in the polar oceans, and it's starting to melt and the methane is bubbling up. It's 100 times as powerful as CO2 as a greenhouse gas. | Aug 02 16:21 |
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| msb__ | It's melting because the temperature is rising, and vice versa. Regenerative. There could be a huge temperature jump. | Aug 02 16:22 |
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| cubexyz | there's some talk of that happening during the Permian extinction | Aug 02 16:24 |
| msb__ | There's too much profit in burning coal and oil for the govt to tell corporations to stop it. So the govt is secretly spraying nano-particles of aluminum into the atmosphere to reflect the sunlight, but it's poisoning everything. | Aug 02 16:25 |
| msb__ | http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/ | Aug 02 16:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geoengineeringwatch.org | Geoengineering Watch | Exposing the climate engineering/geoengineering cover-up | Aug 02 16:25 | |
| cubexyz | according to the EPA the atmospheric methane concentrations remained between 400-800 ppb between 600,000 BC to 1900 AD | Aug 02 16:27 |
| cubexyz | since 1900 they have risen to 1600-1800 ppb | Aug 02 16:27 |
| msb__ | It can be seen bubbling up in some places in the oceans. | Aug 02 16:28 |
| msb__ | That's a huge increase! | Aug 02 16:29 |
| cubexyz | haha, all the windows peeps are checking out my new desktop | Aug 02 16:30 |
| cubexyz | humourous | Aug 02 16:31 |
| cubexyz | msb__, there's a SciFi novel about the clathrate gun hypothesis | Aug 02 16:31 |
| cubexyz | we'll have to adapt to warmer temperatures | Aug 02 16:34 |
| msb__ | I just remembered a great TV series or movie about a building that people would go into, but when they came out they'd be in a parallel time-line. I think some kind of machine did it. And in one of the lines some guys had an A-bomb. | Aug 02 16:34 |
| msb__ | Some of us would have to adapt to breathing water. | Aug 02 16:34 |
| cubexyz | there was a movie from 2003 called Webs | Aug 02 16:37 |
| msb__ | Interesting! But there was no spider in the one I saw. | Aug 02 16:39 |
| cubexyz | I remember seeing one movie from the 1970s with a teleporting robot | Aug 02 16:40 |
| cubexyz | never could find it again | Aug 02 16:40 |
| cubexyz | you might remember Tim O'Connor did a few SciFi shows | Aug 02 16:42 |
| msb__ | Don't know him. IMDB has 3 of them. | Aug 02 16:48 |
| cubexyz | Buck Rogers? | Aug 02 16:49 |
| cubexyz | The Man with the Power (1977) | Aug 02 16:49 |
| cubexyz | the one from 1977 is quite difficult to find | Aug 02 16:49 |
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| msb__ | The-Power-1968-SuzannePleshette,MiklosRozsa is good | Aug 02 16:52 |
| msb__ | Michael Rennie is in it, I think | Aug 02 16:52 |
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| msb__ | Miklos Rozsa's music is great! | Aug 02 16:55 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/opendna/status/627870996633096192 | Aug 02 17:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@opendna: @schestowitz Which country are you referring to? | Aug 02 17:00 | |
| schestowitz | So many | Aug 02 17:00 |
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| -NickServ-schestowitz!~roy@host109-155-204-61.range109-155.btcentralplus.com has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) | Aug 02 17:19 | |
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| gde33|2 | msb__: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3479316/ | Aug 02 17:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | Parallels (2015) - IMDb | Aug 02 17:45 | |
| msb__ | gde33|2: Thanks! That's it!!! | Aug 02 17:53 |
| msb__ | gde33|2: Sez here it is being made into a series. I thought it seemed like a pilot. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3479316/board/thread/246740492 | Aug 02 17:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | They ARE developing this into a series! - IMDb [ http://ur1.ca/nc0nw ] | Aug 02 17:58 | |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Aug 02 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | I already told you that anyone who would buy an iPhone deserves to be robbed blind by AT&T as well. | Aug 02 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | I never lose reception with Sprint, even when I'm bicycling through corn country. I'm listening to Spotify the entire way. | Aug 02 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | Only a fool would pay twice as much to AT&T, knowing that they'll lose signal all the time, and then have to lug around thousands of MP3 files, which brings me to my next point. Most Mac users pirate their music files too. At the height of the iPod's sales, there was only enough music sold through the iTunes store to average out to one album per iPod sold, and since nobody would pay $250 for an iPod so that they could listen to Bono wailing | Aug 02 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | "I can feeeeeeeeel!!!! Feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel!" like someone is sending a cat through a garbage disposal, it's obvious where most of their music came from. :) | Aug 02 18:05 |
| schestowitz | >> I saw this, I wrote about it this morning, and given who writes and promotes this, it's just Microsoft marketing disguised as "history". | Aug 02 18:14 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 02 18:14 |
| schestowitz | > Where did you write about it, can i have a link? | Aug 02 18:14 |
| schestowitz | > - break - | Aug 02 18:14 |
| schestowitz | It would be hard for me to find it now. It was days ago in Twitter and then in one of the Vista 10 articles in techrights. | Aug 02 18:14 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 02 18:14 |
| schestowitz | > See this regarding the NoMoreClipBoard hack .. absolutely no mention of Microsoft Windows .. No doubt the 'health vault' was stored in the Microsoft cloud ... | Aug 02 18:14 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 02 18:14 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 02 18:14 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.in.gov/activecalendar/EventList.aspx?view=EventDetails&eventidn=222333&information_id=217385 | Aug 02 18:14 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 02 18:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.in.gov | [ATG] AG Zoeller urges credit freeze in wake of data breach affecting 1.5 million Hoosiers - 7/30/2015 - IN.GOV [ http://ur1.ca/nc0th ] | Aug 02 18:14 | |
| schestowitz | > http://www.mieweb.com/news/posts/273 | Aug 02 18:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mieweb.com | MIE announces support for Microsoft HealthVault: Medical Informatics Engineering | Aug 02 18:14 | |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 02 18:14 |
| schestowitz | > https://securityledger.com/2015/07/doctors-still-in-the-dark-after-electronics-records-hack-exposes-data-on-4-million/ | Aug 02 18:14 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 02 18:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-securityledger.com | Doctors Still In the Dark After Electronics Records Hack Exposes Data on 4 Million | The Security Ledger [ http://ur1.ca/nc0ti ] | Aug 02 18:14 | |
| schestowitz | > https://www.nomoreclipboard.com/providers/about/partners | Aug 02 18:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nomoreclipboard.com | NoMoreClipboard > Providers > About [ http://ur1.ca/nc0tj ] | Aug 02 18:14 | |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 02 18:14 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's 'vault' is mentioned in that last one. No doubt a vault with back door access... for 'national security' of course... | Aug 02 18:14 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: indiana | Aug 02 18:14 |
| schestowitz | MS windows | Aug 02 18:14 |
| schestowitz | and 'cloud' | Aug 02 18:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines OS showdown: Windows 10 vs Linux | Aug 02 18:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/V8xsg7yIUm (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 02 18:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OS showdown: Windows 10 vs Linux | Tux Machines | Aug 02 18:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines DiRT Showdown Confirmed For Linux By Virtual | Aug 02 18:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Programming, Pre-orders Open Up | Aug 02 18:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/u6KtxZtbn5 (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 02 18:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | DiRT Showdown Confirmed For Linux By Virtual Programming, Pre-orders Open Up | GamingOnLinux | Aug 02 18:18 | |
| cubexyz | Nadella is trying to sucker folks back to windows | Aug 02 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Yeah, I know. | Aug 02 18:19 |
| cubexyz | e.g. android users | Aug 02 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | It's not like a credit freeze helps. | Aug 02 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | How many times can they leak your Social Security Number? :P | Aug 02 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | They'll offer two years of free credit monitoring and ID protection if they send you a letter saying you were affected. | Aug 02 18:26 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Steve Litt (Debian): "He who forgets | Aug 02 19:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | history...I just looked back on the Halloween | Aug 02 19:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Documents" https://t.co/uOzSjEEToy | Aug 02 19:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (lists.dyne.org) | Aug 02 19:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.dyne.org | [DNG] He who forgets history... | Aug 02 19:02 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat support evolves with new Access | Aug 02 19:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Insights services http://t.co/y7Ba7L2LlZ | Aug 02 19:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-searchdatacenter.techtarget.com | Red Hat support evolves with new Access Insights services | Aug 02 19:02 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Shallow Space Looks Like The Spaceship RTS Game | Aug 02 19:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Is Needing, Some Thoughts | Aug 02 19:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Shallow Space Looks Like The Spaceship RTS Game Linux Is Needing, Some Thoughts | GamingOnLinux | Aug 02 19:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nextbit phone will “easily stand out” and be | Aug 02 19:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | priced affordibly http://t.co/MLk3YmhWS9 | Aug 02 19:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com | Sony closing its online store this August 28th | Aug 02 19:21 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Aug 02 19:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Debian http://t.co/fncLYE8YOl | Aug 02 19:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Debian | Tux Machines | Aug 02 19:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat and Fedora http://t.co/tFGktUlqKN | Aug 02 19:25 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 2/8/2015: KDE Applications 15.08 Beta, | Aug 02 20:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Zorin OS 10 http://t.co/mPa25tjlLN | Aug 02 20:14 |
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| colea | FYI just in case, maybe late but anyways; http://www.techradar.com/us/news/software/applications/windows-mail-services-hit-by-widespread-outages-1290532 | Aug 02 20:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techradar.com | Windows mail services hit by widespread outages | TechRadar [ http://ur1.ca/nc1vk ] | Aug 02 20:30 | |
| colea | thx | Aug 02 20:31 |
| colea | I"m so sorry didnt see the date | Aug 02 20:38 |
| colea | was hung up on troll replies to Linux Formax article on OS Showdown: windows 10 vs Linux | Aug 02 20:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/THKCjryMIh | Aug 02 21:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Aug 02 21:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/EDd8nRtfkL | Aug 02 21:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Aug 02 21:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/pfP85dQkEm | Aug 02 21:23 |
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| schestowitz | colea: hi | Aug 02 21:46 |
| schestowitz | thanks for the link | Aug 02 21:46 |
| schestowitz | I just looked at it | Aug 02 21:46 |
| schestowitz | like IDG, esp. PCWorld, the data isn't stated | Aug 02 21:46 |
| schestowitz | There were some issues like that a while back | Aug 02 21:46 |
| schestowitz | e.g. | Aug 02 21:46 |
| schestowitz | !google uk parliament microsoft email | Aug 02 21:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Microsoft in the dark after Parliamentary email disrupted for three days | http://www.computerweekly.com/news/4500248972/Microsoft-in-the-dark-after-Parliamentary-email-disrupted-for-three-days | Aug 02 21:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - The only way is Office: UK Parliament to migrate to Microsoft cloud ... | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/12/03/parliament_heads_for_ms/ | Aug 02 21:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - EU Parliament blocks Microsoft Outlook apps ... - SC Magazine UK | http://www.scmagazineuk.com/eu-parliament-blocks-microsoft-outlook-apps-over-privacy-fears/article/397332/ | Aug 02 21:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Members of the European Parliament are banned from using ... | http://www.businessinsider.com/outlook-banned-members-european-parliament-security-fears-2015-2 | Aug 02 21:46 |
| colea | It's an old one. I'm sorry for not taking a closer look. But on another not it linked to 14 mil. users upgrading to win10 w/the usual recipe of success. | Aug 02 21:49 |
| colea | and the the trolls bashing on the commenter stating the 10 mil failure. | Aug 02 21:50 |
| colea | "not"=note | Aug 02 21:52 |
| colea | This is the crap they're trying to sell... | Aug 02 22:01 |
| colea | http://www.techradar.com/us/news/software/operating-systems/14m-people-have-taken-the-windows-10-plunge-says-microsoft-1300774 | Aug 02 22:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techradar.com | 14m people have taken the Windows 10 plunge, says Microsoft | TechRadar [ http://ur1.ca/nc2qu ] | Aug 02 22:01 | |
| colea | Don't know where they're getting those numbers from. | Aug 02 22:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/UBlHRHcoLA | Aug 02 22:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Aug 02 22:11 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE Projects Donates Money to Debian, | Aug 02 22:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | MATE, and Syncthing Developers | Aug 02 22:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/vS39BpgWNf (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 02 22:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu MATE Projects Donates Money to Debian, MATE, and Syncthing Developers - Softpedia | Aug 02 22:11 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fotoxx 15.08 Is a Free and Powerful Image | Aug 02 22:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Editor for Linux http://t.co/TZEgeQGZXD | Aug 02 22:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Fotoxx 15.08 Is a Free and Powerful Image Editor for Linux - Softpedia | Aug 02 22:11 | |
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| schestowitz | [22:02] <colea> Don't know where they're getting those numbers from. | Aug 02 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has a long history of lying about these numbers | Aug 02 22:31 |
| schestowitz | though it can take a while for people to see the numbers not making sense | Aug 02 22:31 |
| schestowitz | like web share stats | Aug 02 22:31 |
| schestowitz | the def of what they count is BS | Aug 02 22:31 |
| schestowitz | so they bias the number by counting something like "licences" | Aug 02 22:31 |
| schestowitz | meaning PCs in warehouses | Aug 02 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | with vista 10 on them | Aug 02 22:32 |
| schestowitz | and licences issues to businesses in bulk, e.g. "you may now install this on up to 1000 PCs" (which Microsoft calls 1000 'sales') | Aug 02 22:32 |
| schestowitz | the count is different in this case because for existing users there is no associated cost, but they can still add this figure to one pertaining to machines (not sold) with vista 10 "allowed" on them | Aug 02 22:33 |
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| colea | Thanks for the clarification; Didn't know those counted. | Aug 02 22:46 |
| colea | Hope link I posted didn't go to techrights. If it did, I will post no more links. | Aug 02 22:48 |
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| MinceR | msb__: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford#The_Dearborn_Independent_and_anti-Semitism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust | Aug 02 23:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Henry Ford - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nc39s ] | Aug 02 23:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | IBM and the Holocaust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nc39w ] | Aug 02 23:07 | |
| msb__ | MinceR: did you see this stuff? http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_Nazis | Aug 02 23:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone | Aug 02 23:13 | |
| MinceR | not yet | Aug 02 23:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Canonical Closes SQLite Vulnerabilities in All | Aug 02 23:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wine 1.7 Series Turn Two Years Old, No Sign Of Wine 1.8 | Tux Machines | Aug 02 23:21 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu MATE Projects Donates Money to Debian, MATE, and Syncthing Developers | Tux Machines | Aug 02 23:21 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fotoxx 15.08 Is a Free and Powerful Image | Aug 02 23:21 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Regarding Uber.... I tried to sign up to be a driver just because I have a car and I don't use it very much. It's an older car, but it's been very reliable. It's not a clunker at all. | Aug 03 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | They told me it had to be a 2005 or newer. | Aug 03 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | I pretty much agree with South Park about these apps though. Taxi companies hate it because it's taking away their business, but that's not reason enough to shut down the apps. | Aug 03 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | That's like saying that there should have been a law forcing people to buy ice after the refrigerator replaced the icebox. Or saying that there should be a law to protect the RIAA because people can download free MP3s somewhere else. | Aug 03 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | When people say there ought to be a law, there frequently should be no such thing. | Aug 03 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | We have well over 40,000 defined criminal acts here in the United States at the federal level alone, an it hasn't exactly made us a better society. | Aug 03 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | If a person is happy to work for what Uber pays them, and the customer saves money vs. calling a cab, then why does the government need to get in the middle of this? | Aug 03 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | If anything, you'd think that Richard Stallman would be glad that the drivers don't have to rely on tips (he's made his opinion clear that he hates tipping and what people are paid should be settled between them and their employer). | Aug 03 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | I do think that maybe there should be some regulations on Uber to make it more like a form of employment. | Aug 03 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | It's good that they send tax reporting forms to the IRS, so that people can't do this under the table and not pay their share of taxes. | Aug 03 00:31 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2014/07/18/uber_drivers_in_dallas_and_new_york_city_make_much_less_than_the_company.html | Aug 03 00:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.slate.com | Uber drivers in Dallas and New York City make much less than the company claims. [ http://ur1.ca/nc3yx ] | Aug 03 00:33 | |
| DaemonFC | Stallman calls it "Guber" because he said that they pay peanuts. (Goober is a word meaning "peanut", and the name of a brand of chocolate covered peanuts) | Aug 03 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think that $27 an hour is anything to complain about. | Aug 03 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | “You can make $4,000 clean a month,” he said. “I mean, you make more than $5,000 but then you have to pay 20 percent to Uber, fees for your car, and gas.” | Aug 03 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | One of the drivers said that, and that he's very happy with the arrangement. | Aug 03 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | So, naturally, the government would need to ruin it. | Aug 03 00:36 |
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| DaemonFC | I was talking about Apple on Amazon again. | Aug 03 01:00 |
| DaemonFC | "I just wish that I could find one of their users that admits that Apple software is always version 0.9, followed by version 0.9, followed by version 0.9. " | Aug 03 01:00 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.geek.com/android/microsoft-continues-android-push-with-arrow-launcher-1629514/ | Aug 03 01:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geek.com | Microsoft continues Android push with Arrow Launcher | Android | Geek.com [ http://ur1.ca/nc4at ] | Aug 03 01:11 | |
| DaemonFC | Oh perfect. Microsoft "leveraged" deals to get MS Office on Android phones as a "system app". O frabjous day! | Aug 03 01:12 |
| MinceR | even on android, m$ gets to foist their broken crap on users | Aug 03 01:13 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. Can't they just go screw up their own operating system> | Aug 03 01:37 |
| MinceR | they already did | Aug 03 01:37 |
| MinceR | i guess they're like redcrap -- screwing up just their own stuff just isn't enough | Aug 03 01:37 |
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| oiaohm | The big problem I have is most people complain that Systemd is not Unix enough. Ok what is a core point of Unix. ***Everything is a File*** | Aug 03 01:55 |
| oiaohm | PID number is no a file. | Aug 03 01:55 |
| oiaohm | Process is linked to a cgroup by a filehandle. The existence of a cgroup can be a file-handle. | Aug 03 01:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Korora 22 (Selina) available | Tux Machines | Aug 03 01:57 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch and Ubuntu Desktop to Have Similar | Aug 03 01:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Boot Animations Soon http://t.co/ssITyOjgpL | Aug 03 01:57 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Touch and Ubuntu Desktop to Have Similar Boot Animations Soon | Tux Machines | Aug 03 01:57 | |
| oiaohm | The reality is systemd way of tracking processors more Unix than sysvinit. | Aug 03 01:57 |
| oiaohm | Also BSD tty tracking of processors is also a filehandle based solution. | Aug 03 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Aug 03 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | Well, that's Apple for you. His monkeys are still there and designing bad hardware too. | Aug 03 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | That decision to only ship the iPhone 6 with a gig of RAM is really going to bite people hard when iOS 9 is out, but you have to look at it from Apple's perspective. | Aug 03 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | By then, there will be another iPhone, and you won't be important anymore because you've owned your current phone for a whole year. Get back in there and give them more of your money! | Aug 03 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | The iPhone hardware isn't designed with anything past the iOS release that it shipped with in mind. Users find this out when they go to upgrade and it slows their phone down by 30% or more. | Aug 03 02:01 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: what is the site you keep on reference. | Aug 03 02:01 |
| DaemonFC | ? | Aug 03 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | For what? | Aug 03 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | I mostly comment on Amazon Forums. | Aug 03 02:03 |
| oiaohm | I was thinking J. R. Bob Dobbs could be a site. | Aug 03 02:04 |
| oiaohm | So that is a person on Amazon forums | Aug 03 02:04 |
| oiaohm | Remember android devices with too little ram use zswap DaemonFC | Aug 03 02:05 |
| oiaohm | Does iOS have compressed swap yet. | Aug 03 02:05 |
| oiaohm | To be correct zswap and zram | Aug 03 02:14 |
| oiaohm | Damage performance slightly but pack more data into ram. | Aug 03 02:14 |
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| DaemonFC | It's me on that forum. | Aug 03 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | zram doesn't seem to be helping my Chromebook anymore. | Aug 03 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | I'm getting a lot of "He's dead, Jim!" tabs, which is what happens when it runs out of memory. | Aug 03 03:37 |
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| DaemonFC | Chrome uses an obscene amount of RAM. | Aug 03 03:37 |
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| colea | Is techrights.org down? Getting 403-Forbidden while reading vista-10-anticompetitive | Aug 03 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/feedback-diagnostics-privacy-faq | Aug 03 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | Basic information is data that is vital to the operation of Windows. This data helps keep Windows and apps running properly by letting Microsoft know the capabilities of your device, what is installed, and whether Windows is operating correctly. This option also turns on basic error reporting back to Microsoft. If you select this option, we’ll be able to provide updates to Windows (through Windows Update, including malicious softwar | Aug 03 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | e protection by the Malicious Software Removal Tool), but some apps and features may not work correctly or at all. | Aug 03 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | Enhanced data includes all Basic data plus data about how you use Windows, such as how frequently or how long you use certain features or apps and which apps you use most often. This option also lets us collect enhanced diagnostic information, such as the memory state of your device when a system or app crash occurs, as well as measure reliability of devices, the operating system, and apps. If you select this option, we’ll be able t | Aug 03 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | o provide you with an enhanced and personalized Windows experience. | Aug 03 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | Full data includes all Basic and Enhanced data, and also turns on advanced diagnostic features that collect additional data from your device, such as system files or memory snapshots, which may unintentionally include parts of a document you were working on when a problem occurred. This information helps us further troubleshoot and fix problems. If an error report contains personal data, we won’t use that information to identify | Aug 03 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | , contact, or target advertising to you. This is the recommended option for the best Windows experience and the most effective troubleshooting. | Aug 03 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | There is no "off". Heh | Aug 03 05:09 |
| msb__ | YOU WILL LOVE BIG BROTHER! | Aug 03 05:10 |
| msb__ | ...Ministry of Truth | Aug 03 05:11 |
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| schestowitz | colea: try again | Aug 03 05:39 |
| schestowitz | there was a SELinux misconfiguration are work and reboot of the server | Aug 03 05:39 |
| schestowitz | s/are/after/ | Aug 03 05:42 |
| colea | It works now. Was also getting "Rage Unresponsive" with Tuxmachines but it's working now. (from Rochester, NY) | Aug 03 05:48 |
| colea | Thanks | Aug 03 05:50 |
| colea | Rage Unresponsive=Page Unresponsive | Aug 03 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think these reviewers of Microsoft Edge have actually used it. | Aug 03 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | "It's speedy!" | Aug 03 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | It's choking on ads and videos and garbage and crap and freezing up. You've got pop-ups flying everywhere. | Aug 03 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't have to use it for five minutes before that happened. | Aug 03 06:01 |
| schestowitz | colea: it was rebooted also, disks moving around | Aug 03 06:10 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: which reviewers? | Aug 03 06:10 |
| schestowitz | MS boosters? | Aug 03 06:10 |
| schestowitz | a lot of Vista 10 'reviews' were prepared in advance by Microsoft buddies | Aug 03 06:10 |
| schestowitz | now it's down for actual users to write real reviews | Aug 03 06:11 |
| schestowitz | after Microsoft googlebombed it | Aug 03 06:11 |
| DaemonFC | Hmmm. Cortana went through my email, found an order from Amazon, and asked if I wanted to be told when it was delivered. | Aug 03 06:20 |
| schestowitz | so I guess it informed MS and NSA too | Aug 03 06:27 |
| schestowitz | That's just gross invasion | Aug 03 06:27 |
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| msb__ | FireChat -- mesh networking for phones! This was just now on RT. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FireChat | Aug 03 06:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | FireChat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Aug 03 06:32 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Antivirus Live CD 13.1-0.98.7 Uses ClamAV | Aug 03 06:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 0.98.7 to Protect Your PC Against Viruses | Aug 03 06:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Antivirus Live CD 13.1-0.98.7 Uses ClamAV 0.98.7 to Protect Your PC Against Viruses | Tux Machines | Aug 03 06:47 | |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTBUAGLT1Ns | Aug 03 07:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | How to Get Rid of Air Bubble on Lifeproof Screen - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nc77a ] | Aug 03 07:59 | |
| DaemonFC | Mason Nasty 6 months ago | Aug 03 07:59 |
| DaemonFC | This made it huge you asshole | Aug 03 07:59 |
| DaemonFC | LMAO!!!! | Aug 03 07:59 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, You'll be amused by this. | Aug 03 07:59 |
| DaemonFC | The iPhone users who put them in these cases leave them in their pockets while they go swimming or whatever, and then the water gets through the case and destroys the phone. | Aug 03 08:00 |
| DaemonFC | Also, they drop them and the screen breaks anyway, even though it was in an $80 case. | Aug 03 08:00 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRV6PXB6QLk | Aug 03 09:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Microsoft laid me off after 15 years of service. Life after Microsoft? - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nc7nc ] | Aug 03 09:02 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/yukia77suzune/status/628087755013132288 | Aug 03 09:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@yukia77suzune: @warpdx @Luna_Noctune windows Vista10 | Aug 03 09:13 | |
| schestowitz | thw word is spresding | Aug 03 09:13 |
| schestowitz | vista10 | Aug 03 09:13 |
| DaemonFC | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/07/hear-how-steve-ballmer-bailed-out-xbox-after-red-ring-of-death/ | Aug 03 09:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Hear how Steve Ballmer bailed out Xbox after Red Ring of Death | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/n0im8 ] | Aug 03 09:27 | |
| DaemonFC | "The Red Ring of Death threatened to destroy the Xbox 360 and the entire Xbox brand." | Aug 03 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | It did for me. I got rid of it after the eighth refurb. I didn't see the point in spending $60 of my hard earned money per game only to have the console at Microsoft getting swapped out sooner than I could make it through a whole game. | Aug 03 09:28 |
| DaemonFC | I think that the only game I ended up playing through was Oblivion because I went out and bought a third party accessory that attached to the back of the console and kept it from overheating as badly. | Aug 03 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | It was a Nyko Intercooler 360. They didn't do a very good job with the pass-through connector to the power supply either. There was more than one person who had it catch fire. | Aug 03 09:30 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft's official statement was that any unlicensed accessory that damaged your console made the warranty void. | Aug 03 09:31 |
| cubexyz | everyboby knows.... | Aug 03 09:31 |
| cubexyz | Microsoft blows :) | Aug 03 09:32 |
| cubexyz | everybody even | Aug 03 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | I liked the original Xbox a lot, really. | Aug 03 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | I did not like the 360 at all. | Aug 03 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | Well, the original console anyway. The redesign solved those problems. | Aug 03 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | cubexyz, Well, all of their products only get sorted out near the end of their life span. | Aug 03 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | Sony designed their PS 4 controller to fail about every year. | Aug 03 09:38 |
| DaemonFC | It has a built-in battery so you have to throw it in the trash when that battery dies and buy a new controller. | Aug 03 09:38 |
| DaemonFC | I guess they decided that all the expensive games and a $500 console wheren't making them enough money. | Aug 03 09:39 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Microsoft isn't what it once was. | Aug 03 09:40 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think they'll go out of business soon, but they're not as influential as they used to be. | Aug 03 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.howtogeek.com/219651/windows-10-allows-you-to-sideload-universal-apps-just-like-android-does/ | Aug 03 09:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.howtogeek.com | Windows 10 Allows You To Sideload Universal Apps, Just Like Android Does [ http://ur1.ca/nc7x7 ] | Aug 03 09:42 | |
| DaemonFC | In practice, I think Windows Phone 10 and Android will effectively give the user about the same amount of freedom. | Aug 03 09:42 |
| DaemonFC | Stallman noted that while the proprietary bits of Android aren't technically part of AOSP, there doesn't exist a distribution without those components because it wouldn't really do much of anything without them. | Aug 03 09:43 |
| DaemonFC | I guess it remains to be seen how this whole Universal Windows App thing plays out. | Aug 03 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | Users mostly ignored Windows store apps in Windows 8 because they wre unusable on the desktop and you could only use them full screen and they didn't work well with a mouse and keyboard. | Aug 03 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | Hmmm. Google added OpenDocument Format to Google Docs. | Aug 03 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7T0AeF9W-8 | Aug 03 10:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Hitler Is Upset His iPhone 6 Is Bent - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nc84v ] | Aug 03 10:13 | |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.theverge.com/2014/11/6/7163789/microsoft-office-free-for-ipad-iphone-android | Aug 03 10:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Microsoft's next surprise is free Office for iPad, iPhone, and Android | The Verge [ http://ur1.ca/nc89b ] | Aug 03 10:29 | |
| DaemonFC | Should be illegal. | Aug 03 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | Dumping "free" MS Office but only on Android, to try to keep people from figuring out that they have options. | Aug 03 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | Subsidizing it with the money from the PC version. | Aug 03 10:30 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: there is another catch. | Aug 03 10:31 |
| oiaohm | MS Office for Android is only for 10inch or smaller Android devices. | Aug 03 10:31 |
| oiaohm | For free | Aug 03 10:31 |
| oiaohm | Yes 10.1 inch is not acceptable. | Aug 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, that makes sense. | Aug 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | If it was free on the larger tablets, people would just dock a keyboard and use it that way. | Aug 03 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | You could hook up your phone to a TV or monitor though | Aug 03 10:33 |
| oiaohm | I have a strange one with KDE Plasma 5 Nvidia VDPAU don't load. | Aug 03 10:33 |
| oiaohm | Yet every other window manager I have tried so far it works perfectly. | Aug 03 10:33 |
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| cubexyz | oiaohm, starting to get serious about figuring out the r300 video rom | Aug 03 10:48 |
| cubexyz | a video bios source code listing would be interesting to see | Aug 03 10:52 |
| oiaohm | I think that video card is almost romless and depends on uploading firmware | Aug 03 10:53 |
| cubexyz | where does the firmware come from? | Aug 03 10:53 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: from memory its in the Linux firmware directory. | Aug 03 10:54 |
| oiaohm | and in the windows driver. | Aug 03 10:54 |
| oiaohm | Both AMD/ATI provided. | Aug 03 10:54 |
| cubexyz | I'm running Linux though | Aug 03 10:54 |
| oiaohm | https://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-linux-nonfree | Aug 03 10:58 |
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| oiaohm | Yep is a microcode cubexyz | Aug 03 10:58 |
| oiaohm | meaning the gpu is a brick without it. | Aug 03 10:58 |
| cubexyz | you're saying the video bios isn't on the card so where does the firmware come from? :) | Aug 03 10:59 |
| cubexyz | I managed to grab it from /sys/devices | Aug 03 10:59 |
| oiaohm | that basic firmware is 2d only stuff. | Aug 03 11:00 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: so without the extra microcode the card basically suxs. | Aug 03 11:01 |
| cubexyz | I have 3d working | Aug 03 11:01 |
| oiaohm | Linux auto loads the firmwares cubexyz | Aug 03 11:01 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: ls -l /lib/firmware/radeon/R300_cp.bin that is the microcode. | Aug 03 11:03 |
| cubexyz | file not found | Aug 03 11:03 |
| oiaohm | Hmm | Aug 03 11:04 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: system debian? | Aug 03 11:04 |
| cubexyz | vector linux, based on slackware | Aug 03 11:04 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: "R300_cp.bin" check for that filename where ever slackware has it firmwares. | Aug 03 11:05 |
| oiaohm | Its only 2kb insize. | Aug 03 11:05 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: find /lib/firmware -iname "R300_cp.bin" | Aug 03 11:06 |
| oiaohm | Comes to mind. | Aug 03 11:07 |
| cubexyz | that file isn't anywhere | Aug 03 11:07 |
| oiaohm | Ok how big is the file you extracted from the card. | Aug 03 11:07 |
| oiaohm | I cannot remember where ATI cards start being Microcode less. | Aug 03 11:07 |
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| cubexyz | I think it was 128K | Aug 03 11:08 |
| oiaohm | Ie not having the microcode in firmware. | Aug 03 11:08 |
| oiaohm | I would guess 2kb of that is the gpu microcode. | Aug 03 11:08 |
| oiaohm | No GPU microcode no 3d acceleration. | Aug 03 11:08 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Simplicity Linux 15.7 Officially Released, | Aug 03 11:32 |
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| cubexyz | progress is slow :-/ | Aug 03 11:50 |
| cubexyz | oh well, at least xmms is streaming on openbsd now | Aug 03 11:51 |
| cubexyz | I've put a lot of work in configuring vector linux | Aug 03 11:55 |
| cubexyz | this linux guy is pretty funny: | Aug 03 11:56 |
| cubexyz | "The one ray of hope is that maybe, just maybe, the thousands of Windows worms will go to war with each other and kill every Windows machine on earth. Though that would be a short-lived cure, because even after a Windows holocaust the first thing the survivors are going to do is get up, dust themselves off, and see if rebooting will bring their systems back up." | Aug 03 11:56 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, I guess Samsung didn't do so bad afterall. The iPhone breaks and the S6 gets some light scuffs. | Aug 03 14:15 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A call to policy makers: Open source is where | Aug 03 14:48 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/taoup/html/ch01s06.html | Aug 03 15:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Unix philosophy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/n4q5j ] | Aug 03 15:26 | |
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| MinceR | breaks rules (from esr) 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 16 at the very least | Aug 03 15:30 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Eric S. Raymond rules you mean right. | Aug 03 15:32 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: systemd is in fact modular this is why it could be built as shim | Aug 03 15:32 |
| oiaohm | So systemd passes rule 1. | Aug 03 15:32 |
| oiaohm | Like it or not. | Aug 03 15:32 |
| MinceR | Rule of Modularity: Write simple parts connected by clean interfaces. | Aug 03 15:32 |
| MinceR | systemd's interfaces are anything but clean. | Aug 03 15:32 |
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| MinceR | like it or not. | Aug 03 15:33 |
| MinceR | they declare interfaces as unstable and then proceed to use them. | Aug 03 15:33 |
| oiaohm | That is also wrong. | Aug 03 15:33 |
| oiaohm | systemd did define it interlinks around dbus. | Aug 03 15:33 |
| oiaohm | The interfaces are documented this is why replacements like consolekit2 logind has been possible. | Aug 03 15:34 |
| oiaohm | Also gentoo own remake of udev has also been possible to use with systemd. | Aug 03 15:35 |
| oiaohm | Sorry 1 is not it MinceR | Aug 03 15:35 |
| oiaohm | Rule 3 is also in systemd design. | Aug 03 15:36 |
| MinceR | well, with such cognitive dissonance on your side, it's pointless to talk about it | Aug 03 15:36 |
| MinceR | rule 3: the only program systemd is designed to connect to is systemd | Aug 03 15:36 |
| oiaohm | LOLLOOOOOLLLLL | Aug 03 15:37 |
| oiaohm | Sorry but systemd is designed to connect to more than systemd. | Aug 03 15:37 |
| MinceR | yes, if we pretend that 'systemd-*' is different from systemd | Aug 03 15:37 |
| oiaohm | LOOLLLLLL | Aug 03 15:38 |
| oiaohm | how much are going to get wrong | Aug 03 15:38 |
| MinceR | certainly not as much as redcrap | Aug 03 15:38 |
| oiaohm | Nop | Aug 03 15:38 |
| oiaohm | Again wrong. | Aug 03 15:38 |
| oiaohm | have you ever looked at what systemd does in fact interface with. | Aug 03 15:38 |
| oiaohm | No you have not instead you have followed idiots MinceR | Aug 03 15:39 |
| oiaohm | Lets ingnore the fact systemd is design to connect to syslog both ways. | Aug 03 15:40 |
| cubexyz | other OSes will drop GNOME if they keep adding systemd dependencies to it | Aug 03 15:43 |
| cubexyz | they'll say it's too much work to support | Aug 03 15:43 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: not at all. | Aug 03 15:43 |
| MinceR | and nothing of value will be lost | Aug 03 15:43 |
| oiaohm | have you not seen systembsd | Aug 03 15:43 |
| MinceR | have you seen the struggles of companies trying to keep their products compatible with m$ products? | Aug 03 15:44 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: systembsd is implementing the functions of systemd classed as valueable in a compadible way. | Aug 03 15:44 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: this is done by the BSD guys themselves. | Aug 03 15:44 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Void Linux supports GNOME while using runit. | Aug 03 15:44 |
| XRevan86 | they have loginkit as well | Aug 03 15:45 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: yep standard consolekit2 | Aug 03 15:45 |
| XRevan86 | runit + consolekit2 + loginkit is good enough for GNOME | Aug 03 15:45 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: I didn't find any mentions of login1 in consolekit2 tree, by the way. | Aug 03 15:45 |
| MinceR | the bsd guys are adopting a bad interface that's designed to screw them over | Aug 03 15:45 |
| MinceR | let's all rejoice | Aug 03 15:45 |
| oiaohm | Not at all MinceR | Aug 03 15:45 |
| cubexyz | there's no systemd in bsd | Aug 03 15:45 |
| MinceR | yeah, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain | Aug 03 15:46 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: were you not aware that consoltkit support multi seat right. | Aug 03 15:46 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: that doesn't mean they can't adopt toxic designs | Aug 03 15:46 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: did i care? | Aug 03 15:46 |
| oiaohm | I carred with redhat 7.2 | Aug 03 15:46 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: the only people who [pretend to] worry about multiseat in 2015 are in the cancerd cabal. | Aug 03 15:46 |
| oiaohm | When I could not connect to my mouse because of it. | Aug 03 15:46 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: was there systemd or consolekit in redhat 7.2? | Aug 03 15:47 |
| oiaohm | consolekit in redhat 7.2 | Aug 03 15:47 |
| oiaohm | and it was the one that decide I was logged by http server and cut my mouse off. | Aug 03 15:47 |
| cubexyz | uh no | Aug 03 15:47 |
| MinceR | and yet you continue to promote it | Aug 03 15:47 |
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| cubexyz | there's no consolekit until much later on | Aug 03 15:47 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: I am premoting consolekit2 | Aug 03 15:47 |
| cubexyz | FC1 doesn't have consolekit | Aug 03 15:47 |
| cubexyz | I'm running it still so I know | Aug 03 15:48 |
| MinceR | once bsd starts to copy systemd, they'll lose all the advantages of bsd and will become worthless or dead | Aug 03 15:48 |
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| cubexyz | ok, hold on, is there two different 7.2s? | Aug 03 15:48 |
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| MinceR | i think he's confusing red hat 7.2 with RHEL 7.2 | Aug 03 15:49 |
| MinceR | very different | Aug 03 15:49 |
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| XRevan86 | FreeBSD has advantages? | Aug 03 15:49 |
| MinceR | perhaps not anymore | Aug 03 15:49 |
| MinceR | there's lots of love for crApple there | Aug 03 15:49 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: They're GPL-haters, no wonder they go for permissive Apple stuff. | Aug 03 15:49 |
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| cubexyz | ok, I meant red hat linux 7.2 Enigma released in oct 2001 | Aug 03 15:50 |
| cubexyz | just to be clear :) | Aug 03 15:50 |
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| MinceR | that doesn't mean they have to go for crap design, though | Aug 03 15:50 |
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| cubexyz | anyways there's no systemd or systembsd in openbsd | Aug 03 15:51 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: there was something before consolekit. | Aug 03 15:51 |
| cubexyz | what the heck is wrong with nj3ma :) | Aug 03 15:51 |
| oiaohm | and it was horible. | Aug 03 15:51 |
| cubexyz | what was it called? | Aug 03 15:51 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, there definitely positively is no systemd or systembsd in openbsd :) | Aug 03 15:52 |
| MinceR | i hope it stays that way | Aug 03 15:52 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I remember now. | Aug 03 15:52 |
| oiaohm | hald | Aug 03 15:52 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: HAL is no ConsoleKit predecessor. | Aug 03 15:53 |
| oiaohm | Evil way to hand out what user should have access. | Aug 03 15:53 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: o yes it is for multi seat. | Aug 03 15:53 |
| oiaohm | there are hacked versions of it. | Aug 03 15:53 |
| MinceR | well, at least redcrap will solve that problem for you | Aug 03 15:53 |
| MinceR | they'll move to obfuscated blobs you don't get to hack | Aug 03 15:53 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: no redhat did not. | Aug 03 15:53 |
| MinceR | and even if you do, uefi won't let you run them | Aug 03 15:53 |
| cubexyz | I'm not thrilled with all the software chaos but that's the way it is | Aug 03 15:54 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: It wasn't for multiseat but a hardware abstraction superseded by DeviceKit which later merged into udev. | Aug 03 15:54 |
| MinceR | in this brave new world | Aug 03 15:54 |
| cubexyz | Linux/BSD is the aggregation of a lot of different ideas from a lot of diffent people | Aug 03 15:54 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: No X11 multi seat was done before consolekit. | Aug 03 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | https://torrentfreak.com/anti-web-blocking-site-more-popular-in-the-uk-than-spotify-skype-150802/ | Aug 03 15:54 |
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| oiaohm | XRevan86: 4 video cards ..... | Aug 03 15:54 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: I guess it was done on top of HAL. | Aug 03 15:54 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: it was done by swaping hal out. | Aug 03 15:55 |
| XRevan86 | but not HAL itself | Aug 03 15:55 |
| cubexyz | so does any distro still use hal or hald? | Aug 03 15:55 |
| oiaohm | With a multiseat version. | Aug 03 15:55 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: FreeBSD | Aug 03 15:55 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Oh my… | Aug 03 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Aug 03 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | Just now · | Aug 03 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | Apple is lobbying the record labels to stop Spotify's free ad-supported service, so that Apple Music (which doesn't plan to give anything away for free) will be more profitable. | Aug 03 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | https://torrentfreak.com/killing-spotifys-free-version-will-boost-piracy-150510/ | Aug 03 15:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-torrentfreak.com | Killing Spotify's Free Version Will Boost Piracy - TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/ncb59 ] | Aug 03 15:58 | |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg_multiseat Without replacing HALd with a smarter version you have to manually configure everything. | Aug 03 15:59 |
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| MinceR | oh noes | Aug 03 16:00 |
| MinceR | an IT professional has to manually configure something | Aug 03 16:00 |
| MinceR | what has the world come to? | Aug 03 16:00 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: in this case its kinda a problem. | Aug 03 16:00 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: user unplugs mouse plugs it back in its broke. | Aug 03 16:00 |
| MinceR | people seem to like that on windows | Aug 03 16:00 |
| oiaohm | Same with a keyboard. | Aug 03 16:00 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: windows will find the mouse in time without restarting it. | Aug 03 16:01 |
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| MinceR | unless it's in a different port and you're not logged in | Aug 03 16:01 |
| oiaohm | I am meaning broken to point of restarting server required | Aug 03 16:01 |
| oiaohm | At times. | Aug 03 16:01 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: no same port. | Aug 03 16:01 |
| oiaohm | Hal was the magic that reconnected stuff you disabled. | Aug 03 16:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so the reason why you used some custom hacked version was so the reconnection stuff worked. | Aug 03 16:03 |
| oiaohm | X11 hey we support multi seat but you have to manually configure it and use hacked versions of programs. | Aug 03 16:03 |
| oiaohm | Then you would have the other fun that someone would remote in using ssh decide to use a xnest and then find that they had taken over the local keyboard and mouse. | Aug 03 16:05 |
| oiaohm | Because of hald | Aug 03 16:05 |
| oiaohm | Before consolekit the lack of seat seperation was a pure nightmare. | Aug 03 16:05 |
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| cubexyz | I'm running hald on one system still | Aug 03 16:09 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I guess it with consolekit or with pam rules blocking device accesses. | Aug 03 16:10 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: to prevent it doing horible. | Aug 03 16:10 |
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| XRevan86 | cubexyz: I start to think there is no technology you don't still run :). | Aug 03 16:11 |
| cubexyz | XRevan86, not quite :) | Aug 03 16:11 |
| oiaohm | To be correct I have a hald forwarding wrapper installed here to consolekit | Aug 03 16:12 |
| oiaohm | or systemd | Aug 03 16:12 |
| oiaohm | because I have a horible program that still required hald calls. | Aug 03 16:12 |
| cubexyz | I have an interesting in the history of operating systems | Aug 03 16:13 |
| cubexyz | an interest | Aug 03 16:13 |
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| cubexyz | oiaohm, I think FC1 was pre-hald | Aug 03 16:13 |
| cubexyz | and I don't remember the mouse having any problems being unplugged | Aug 03 16:13 |
| cubexyz | at least not usb mouse | Aug 03 16:14 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: I have been running multi seat setups on and off file a while. | Aug 03 16:14 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: where you had to get into disabling hald and having x11 magically fail until you put a custom back in. | Aug 03 16:15 |
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| oiaohm | Yes selling feature of X11 was multi seat and then it was broken. | Aug 03 16:15 |
| MinceR | good thing systemd isn't broken, oh wait | Aug 03 16:16 |
| cubexyz | FC3 had hald | Aug 03 16:16 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: hal was a sub part of X11 servers | Aug 03 16:16 |
| oiaohm | To distance X11 servers from having to know how to talk to real OS devices. | Aug 03 16:16 |
| cubexyz | but you can run X without hald | Aug 03 16:17 |
| oiaohm | Depends what make of X11 server cubexyz | Aug 03 16:17 |
| oiaohm | Some version no hal no work. | Aug 03 16:17 |
| oiaohm | Yes the old closed source X11 servers with graphical accleration. | Aug 03 16:18 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: systemd might be broken but the stuff before systemd was also broken in different ways. | Aug 03 16:18 |
| MinceR | yes, and the stuff before systemd was also a lot less broken | Aug 03 16:19 |
| MinceR | and a lot less resource-hungry | Aug 03 16:19 |
| MinceR | and a lot easier to maintain | Aug 03 16:19 |
| cubexyz | the problem with systemd is there doesn't seem to be any way to revert to something else once systemd is installed | Aug 03 16:19 |
| oiaohm | Lot easier to maintain I would not say so. | Aug 03 16:19 |
| MinceR | the problem with systemd is that now if you don't want to run it, you're a heretic | Aug 03 16:19 |
| MinceR | it was not enough to just have Windows, Microsoft Edition | Aug 03 16:20 |
| MinceR | you have to also have Windows, Fedora Edition, and Windows, Red Hat Edition, and Windows, CentOS Edition, and Windows, SuSE Edition and Windows, Debian Edition | Aug 03 16:20 |
| oiaohm | No you mostly get laughed at because you guys who say don't run systemd go around saying this crap. | Aug 03 16:20 |
| MinceR | yeah, i'm used to be laughed at by clueless winblows shills and clueless macos shills | Aug 03 16:21 |
| MinceR | there's nothing new | Aug 03 16:21 |
| MinceR | except you people try to destroy the platform i'm using. | Aug 03 16:21 |
| oiaohm | So that means you are moron MinceR | Aug 03 16:21 |
| MinceR | you won't get anything out of it, but you just have to force winblows on everyone | Aug 03 16:21 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: no, that means you're a moron | Aug 03 16:21 |
| oiaohm | You never win anyone over by being insulting. | Aug 03 16:21 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: you shill for companies who will never benefit you. | Aug 03 16:21 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: then why do you do it? | Aug 03 16:22 |
| oiaohm | Do I really. | Aug 03 16:22 |
| MinceR | 172138 < oiaohm> So that means you are moron MinceR | Aug 03 16:22 |
| MinceR | what was this? | Aug 03 16:22 |
| oiaohm | You were already being insulting. | Aug 03 16:22 |
| MinceR | yeah, how dare i insult the Holy Trinity of windows, macos and systemd. | Aug 03 16:23 |
| oiaohm | And you were show not sign of making any logical arugment. | Aug 03 16:23 |
| oiaohm | So I might as well call you what you are. | Aug 03 16:23 |
| MinceR | yeah, apparently "making a logical argument" has been redefined to "regurgitate systemd talking points" | Aug 03 16:23 |
| MinceR | we're living in an interesting world | Aug 03 16:24 |
| cubexyz | just use the init system you like, it's not a war :) | Aug 03 16:24 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: that's not enough for people like oiaohm | Aug 03 16:24 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: you must use systemd and you must like it. | Aug 03 16:24 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR, oiaohm: Ребята, давайте жить дружно. | Aug 03 16:24 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: NO I have not said users have to use systemd. | Aug 03 16:24 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: and they'll be very surprised when microsoft stabs redhat in the back. and they will. | Aug 03 16:24 |
| oiaohm | I was one who pushed for debian to use openrc | Aug 03 16:24 |
| oiaohm | Please note that MinceR | Aug 03 16:24 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: openrc is not systemd. | Aug 03 16:24 |
| MinceR | openrc has a clearly defined scope | Aug 03 16:25 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Why OpenRC is not updated in Debian anymore? :( | Aug 03 16:25 |
| XRevan86 | being updated * | Aug 03 16:25 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: because the systemd shills won | Aug 03 16:25 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: they destroyed debian. | Aug 03 16:25 |
| XRevan86 | > Let's live in friendship, guys | Aug 03 16:25 |
| cubexyz | I know a guy who was quite proud of his own init system but I can't remember what it's called | Aug 03 16:25 |
| MinceR | some people will only live in friendship with you if you use and _love_ systemd | Aug 03 16:25 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: wrong. | Aug 03 16:25 |
| MinceR | which won't happen | Aug 03 16:26 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: there are updates to openrc in sid. | Aug 03 16:26 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Where? It's still 0.13.1 | Aug 03 16:26 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: it just keeps on failing quality checks. | Aug 03 16:26 |
| MinceR | and if you install openrc on a typical debian desktop system, how many packages will be forced to be removed? | Aug 03 16:26 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Ah, tracker.debian.org | Aug 03 16:26 |
| MinceR | systemd shills use dependencies as a weapon. | Aug 03 16:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: no packages under debain are not allowed to mantainte systemd. | Aug 03 16:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: sysvinit, runit and openrc will work. | Aug 03 16:27 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: yet most of the desktop depends on systemd packages | Aug 03 16:27 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: runit won't. | Aug 03 16:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: nop | Aug 03 16:27 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: I have a runit installed with debian with kde | Aug 03 16:27 |
| MinceR | you're forced to keep crap such as libsystemd and systemd-logind installed | Aug 03 16:27 |
| MinceR | and probably more. | Aug 03 16:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: nop | Aug 03 16:27 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: no use lying, i've tried it. | Aug 03 16:28 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Were you writing init "scripts" from stratch for everything? :) | Aug 03 16:28 |
| oiaohm | what consolekit did you install. MinceR | Aug 03 16:28 |
| MinceR | and your beloved systemd worked out so well debian already had to make a new point release in about 2 months or so. | Aug 03 16:28 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: please note I said KDE not Gnome. | Aug 03 16:28 |
| XRevan86 | > /lib/systemd/system/runit.service | Aug 03 16:28 |
| MinceR | that's "stability" in the brave new debian world. | Aug 03 16:28 |
| XRevan86 | from https://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/runit/filelist | Aug 03 16:28 |
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| XRevan86 | that blowed my mind | Aug 03 16:28 |
| MinceR | debian is dead. soon it will become fedora with debian decals and then it will wither away. | Aug 03 16:29 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: yes runit inside systemd | Aug 03 16:29 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: What's the point? | Aug 03 16:29 |
| MinceR | the point is to retain unreliability and insecurity | Aug 03 16:29 |
| MinceR | and poettering's urine markings on your system. | Aug 03 16:29 |
| MinceR | it's his territory, so he marks it. | Aug 03 16:30 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: some services are designed to be managed by runit | Aug 03 16:30 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: so on a systemd system you run runit inside systemd | Aug 03 16:30 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: and the reverse is also possible. | Aug 03 16:30 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Yeah, I know. Still, what require runit? | Aug 03 16:31 |
| MinceR | the reverse is heresy though | Aug 03 16:31 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: no the reverse is systemd usermode. | Aug 03 16:31 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: never guess what closed source applications will do to you. | Aug 03 16:31 |
| oiaohm | XRevan86: like having runit in the required features to have tech support. | Aug 03 16:32 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: What the… | Aug 03 16:32 |
| MinceR | those damned heretic closed source applications, daring to depend on a service manager that actually works | Aug 03 16:32 |
| MinceR | how dare they? | Aug 03 16:32 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: runit is the nicest. Not always do they demard a working service manager. | Aug 03 16:33 |
| MinceR | yeah, sometimes they demand systemd instead | Aug 03 16:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: no | Aug 03 16:34 |
| MinceR | not yet? | Aug 03 16:34 |
| oiaohm | There is none closed source that demard systemd. Some demard docker these days. | Aug 03 16:34 |
| oiaohm | Yep yets run all our own libraries and custom init system. | Aug 03 16:34 |
| msb__ | Hopefully devuan will use sysvinit and will have shims to support apps crippled by systemd-dependency. And will be as simple as possible for a single user. | Aug 03 16:34 |
| MinceR | go bother them and demand that they require systemd-nspawn instead | Aug 03 16:35 |
| MinceR | for red hat! | Aug 03 16:35 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: Will? | Aug 03 16:35 |
| oiaohm | systemd-nspawn supports standard docker images MinceR | Aug 03 16:35 |
| MinceR | hopefully devuan will manage to remove all the excess requirements on systemd garbage | Aug 03 16:35 |
| oiaohm | Your a closed soruce maker you don't make stuff twice MinceR | Aug 03 16:35 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Look at it from the other way around. | Aug 03 16:35 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: actually it has happened before | Aug 03 16:35 |
| msb__ | nspawn? Netherworld Spawn? | Aug 03 16:35 |
| DaemonFC | They could have decided to standardize on Apple launchd. | Aug 03 16:36 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 03 16:36 |
| MinceR | msb__: indeed. | Aug 03 16:36 |
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| MinceR | DaemonFC: not much of a difference | Aug 03 16:36 |
| DaemonFC | The init system that broke cron. | Aug 03 16:36 |
| MinceR | systemd breaks cron all the same | Aug 03 16:36 |
| oiaohm | msb__: sysvinit is broken due to PID usage. | Aug 03 16:36 |
| MinceR | PID usage causes a lot less problems than systemd bugs | Aug 03 16:36 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: How so? | Aug 03 16:36 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: And which cron? %) | Aug 03 16:36 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: systemd takes over cron's job | Aug 03 16:36 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: openrc or other file handle based solutions are more dependable than systemd. | Aug 03 16:37 |
| MinceR | and does so with the greatest complexity possible | Aug 03 16:37 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: So you insist, but it works fine for me and a 100 million others for many years. | Aug 03 16:37 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: cron itself works as well. | Aug 03 16:37 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: keep telling yourself that while you hit reset on your servers. | Aug 03 16:37 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: cron is pretty much complex. | Aug 03 16:37 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: not as complex as systemd. | Aug 03 16:37 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I run servers kernel update to kernel update. | Aug 03 16:37 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: systemd timers have a much simpler design. | Aug 03 16:37 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and sometimes even long. | Aug 03 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | http://hea-www.harvard.edu/~fine/OSX/launchd_cron.html | Aug 03 16:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hea-www.harvard.edu | Cron, Network Users, and Launchd [ http://ur1.ca/ncbko ] | Aug 03 16:38 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, An amusing article. | Aug 03 16:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I don't get where you get that I have to put up with lockups. | Aug 03 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | Apple developers are idiots and totally fucking shameless about it. | Aug 03 16:38 |
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| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: I wouldn't expect anything else. | Aug 03 16:39 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: yeah, neither do i... https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74589 https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/12/21/1343258 https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/02/msg00013.html https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=918226 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1202598 | Aug 03 16:39 |
| msb__ | I value simplicity over perfection. I would much rather have a simple system that has some problem once a year than a much more complex system. | Aug 03 16:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugs.freedesktop.org | Bug 74589 – systemd segfaults if no cgroups are available [ http://ur1.ca/j3zxv ] | Aug 03 16:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/12/21/1343258 ) | Aug 03 16:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.debian.org | Re: Tried to boot my laptop from a cafe... [ http://ur1.ca/jt4ka ] | Aug 03 16:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.opensuse.org | Bug 918226 – systemd segfaults after updating from 208-23.3 to 208-28.1 [ http://ur1.ca/ncbl9 ] | Aug 03 16:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugzilla.redhat.com | Bug 1202598 – systemd throttling, taking up 25%+ CPU: "Looping too fast. Throttling execution a little." [ http://ur1.ca/ncbla ] | Aug 03 16:39 | |
| cubexyz | cron in Unix v7 was only 250 lines of code | Aug 03 16:40 |
| oiaohm | Mind you do like how systemd timers do remember to apply the right system wide laugage setttings where standard cron downright forgets to. | Aug 03 16:40 |
| MinceR | maybe if the systemd fanboys keep telling themselves their windows clone is perfect, eventually they'll believe it | Aug 03 16:40 |
| oiaohm | Standard cron Lang=C is default. | Aug 03 16:40 |
| oiaohm | Can cause backup scripts to nicely fail. | Aug 03 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The "svchost.exe" for Linux. | Aug 03 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Aug 03 16:41 |
| MinceR | also services.exe | Aug 03 16:41 |
| MinceR | afaik svchost mainly works around the fact that winblows nt processes are hugely bloated and expensive | Aug 03 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | No, it's not that bad. | Aug 03 16:41 |
| MinceR | and naturally, the m$ way to "fix" that is to stuff multiple services in a single process | Aug 03 16:42 |
| cubexyz | I honestly did not like the changes to the usb sub-system | Aug 03 16:42 |
| MinceR | not, you know, fix their fucking kernel in the first place | Aug 03 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | Windows merges the services into one process. It makes for a really nifty way to cloak malware. | Aug 03 16:42 |
| MinceR | it also makes for a really nifty way to ensure that one service crashing takes some others with itself | Aug 03 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | You can't figure out where it's running from because it's running in an executable that says it's a Windows component. | Aug 03 16:42 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=74589 << At the time this bug was open what did systemd spec sheet say it required. | Aug 03 16:42 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that is right cgroups. | Aug 03 16:42 |
| MinceR | but hey, this is the place systemd people take their inspiration from. | Aug 03 16:43 |
| cubexyz | we used to be able to open /dev/usb/scanner0 and use it | Aug 03 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Yeah, that too. | Aug 03 16:43 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: running software without its requirements and it breaks who fault is that. | Aug 03 16:43 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: right, there's absolutely nothing wrong that could happen if pid1 dereferences null pointers carelessly. | Aug 03 16:43 |
| MinceR | who needs pid1 running anyway? | Aug 03 16:43 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: try to read the comments next time | Aug 03 16:44 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: is systemd the first init system to have requirements. | Aug 03 16:44 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I did read the comments. | Aug 03 16:44 |
| MinceR | http://img.linuxfr.org/img/68747470733a2f2f6861636b2d6c696272652e6f72672f66696c65732f6c697672655f7072c3a966c3a972c3a95f6c656e6e6172742d35303070782e6a7067/livre_pr%C3%A9f%C3%A9r%C3%A9_lennart-500px.jpg | Aug 03 16:44 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the answer is no. Its not the first time that init system has died to to lack of requirements. | Aug 03 16:44 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: then you should have noticed how important a crash in pid1 is to these people | Aug 03 16:44 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: and you should already have learned something about redcrap's testing policy | Aug 03 16:45 |
| MinceR | ("don't do it") | Aug 03 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, It was a way to save some RAM back in the day. | Aug 03 16:45 |
| MinceR | (incidentally, the same as m$'s and crApple's policy) | Aug 03 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | It's a real mess now, and for no gain at all really. | Aug 03 16:45 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: a better way to save RAM would be to run an OS that doesn't put a windowing system in its kernel. | Aug 03 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | It doesn't have to have that. | Aug 03 16:46 |
| MinceR | another good way to save RAM is to run an OS where processes aren't so expensive | Aug 03 16:46 |
| MinceR | like a free unix! | Aug 03 16:46 |
| msb__ | Each cgroup has its own set of PIDs, right? | Aug 03 16:47 |
| msb__ | So running each service in its own cgroup makes the system insanely complicated. | Aug 03 16:47 |
| oiaohm | msb__: Process ID is linked to a cgroup by a filehandle. That will disappear from the cgroup when the application terminates. | Aug 03 16:49 |
| oiaohm | msb__: this will be done by the kernel. | Aug 03 16:49 |
| oiaohm | msb__: so avoiding the problem of PID value pointing to non existing. | Aug 03 16:49 |
| oiaohm | or replaced. | Aug 03 16:49 |
| msb__ | So much for filehandles being about files. | Aug 03 16:50 |
| oiaohm | Unix everything is a file msb__ | Aug 03 16:51 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: Bullshit | Aug 03 16:51 |
| MinceR | 025547 < oiaohm> PID number is no a file. | Aug 03 16:51 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: make up your mind already. | Aug 03 16:51 |
| oiaohm | PID number is not a file. | Aug 03 16:51 |
| oiaohm | the PID in /proc is a file. | Aug 03 16:52 |
| msb__ | In Unix things are files if they behave like files. PIDs do not. | Aug 03 16:52 |
| oiaohm | msb__: PID is not the number. | Aug 03 16:52 |
| MinceR | the plot thickens | Aug 03 16:52 |
| msb__ | It sure used to be. | Aug 03 16:52 |
| msb__ | sickens | Aug 03 16:52 |
| oiaohm | /proc/ direcotry was implemented on Unix for a very long time. | Aug 03 16:54 |
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| oiaohm | Particular service managers under Unix abused it. | Aug 03 16:54 |
| msb__ | Just because there's a file in /proc connected to each pid doesn't mean a pid is not a number. | Aug 03 16:54 |
| oiaohm | Simple fd open the /proc/pid | Aug 03 16:55 |
| msb__ | You could associate the name of a star with each PID, but it would still be a number. | Aug 03 16:55 |
| oiaohm | PID number is a value assigned to a PID that the OS using Posix standards is free to racecondition change between the time you retreave it and when you want to use it. | Aug 03 16:56 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/IdPTkOc.png | Aug 03 16:57 |
| msb__ | Devices are treated as files because you can read and write data from/to them. They have similar semantics. | Aug 03 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | I might subscribe to HBO Now for the one month free trial and then binge watch Game of Thrones before I cancel it. | Aug 03 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | I like to avoid watching stuff until it piles up and then I can get through it during a free trial of something. | Aug 03 16:58 |
| oiaohm | msb__: there are very limited ways under posix/Unix design not to dig yourself into a race condition. | Aug 03 16:58 |
| msb__ | PIDs are numbers which do not have similar semantics to files! | Aug 03 16:58 |
| oiaohm | Reusing PID numbers is not forbiden. | Aug 03 16:59 |
| oiaohm | msb__: Process ID and Process ID numbers are two slightly different things. | Aug 03 16:59 |
| oiaohm | cgroup PID namespaces are legal under unix and posix. | Aug 03 17:00 |
| oiaohm | Yes faking what PID numbers applications see is allowed. | Aug 03 17:00 |
| msb__ | If the kernel assigns a PID to a process, how is that going to cause a race condition if the kernel keeps track of which PIDs are in use? | Aug 03 17:00 |
| oiaohm | msb__: process ends kernel reuses PID number for another process. | Aug 03 17:01 |
| MinceR | the ID is a number | Aug 03 17:01 |
| MinceR | the process structure is not an ID. | Aug 03 17:01 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: | Aug 03 17:01 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the in process stucture is linked to a directory that can be referenced by a filehandle. | Aug 03 17:01 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: So? If process is ended PID is now unused. | Aug 03 17:01 |
| MinceR | procfs is optional. | Aug 03 17:01 |
| oiaohm | And its the existance or lack of existance of the process structure to know if something is still running is what you are intested in. | Aug 03 17:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: filehandle for the process structure is gettable if procfs exists or not. | Aug 03 17:04 |
| oiaohm | msb__: using the PID number you hope it unused when you check and has not been reused. | Aug 03 17:05 |
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| MinceR | http://xkcd.com/1559/ | Aug 03 17:07 |
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| DaemonFC | LOL! | Aug 03 17:10 |
| oiaohm | msb__: runit attempts to use filehandles to track but it brought undone by forking. cgroup caused forking to result in automatic addition to the cgroup. | Aug 03 17:10 |
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| oiaohm | msb__: how we end up at cgroups as the way to track is failure after failure. | Aug 03 17:10 |
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| MinceR | looks like they're committed to "failure after failure" | Aug 03 17:20 |
| MinceR | though i guess cancerd at least enables failure in parallel with failure also | Aug 03 17:20 |
| cubexyz | a lot of people don't like systemd | Aug 03 17:20 |
| cubexyz | I log a bunch of channels and it's discussed a lot | Aug 03 17:21 |
| MinceR | which is why the Thought Police is on high alert | Aug 03 17:24 |
| cubexyz | perhaps this will help: | Aug 03 17:24 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/survey-of-init-systems.pdf | Aug 03 17:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ http://www.maxhost.org/other/survey-of-init-systems.pdf ) | Aug 03 17:24 | |
| MinceR | Forbidden | Aug 03 17:26 |
| MinceR | You don't have permission to access /other/survey-of-init-systems.pdf on this server. | Aug 03 17:26 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/survey-of-init-systems.pdf | Aug 03 17:26 |
| MinceR | now it works | Aug 03 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/628260679254941697 | Aug 03 18:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz In all my travels I've never seen a Norwegian policeman more than once (And that was Oslo)..... | Aug 03 18:53 | |
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| schestowitz | [15:49] <cubexyz> ok, hold on, is there two different 7.2s? | Aug 03 19:10 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz still lives in the 90s ;-p | Aug 03 19:10 |
| cubexyz | I study all eras | Aug 03 19:15 |
| schestowitz | that's good | Aug 03 19:18 |
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| MinceR | not byfield, but still shit | Aug 03 20:37 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "As part of Evolving KDE we have done a survey | Aug 03 20:40 |
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| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/microchoice.txt | Aug 03 21:01 |
| MinceR | just like the choice cancerd cultists give you | Aug 03 21:03 |
| MinceR | http://pastebin.ca/3087491 | Aug 03 21:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pastebin.ca | pastebin - Mine - post number 3087491 | Aug 03 21:08 | |
| MinceR | this is the software oiaohm believes in | Aug 03 21:08 |
| cubexyz | I knew windows 10 was going to be a clunker, but when I read the fsf article about windows 10 they really made it sound like the operating system from hell | Aug 03 21:09 |
| MinceR | and yet they prop up systemd | Aug 03 21:10 |
| cubexyz | why do you say that? | Aug 03 21:10 |
| MinceR | the only comments i've ever seen from the FSF and RMS about systemd were supportive | Aug 03 21:10 |
| MinceR | i thought they were supposed to be the canary in the coal mine | Aug 03 21:11 |
| MinceR | but the way they are now, they're useless in that role | Aug 03 21:11 |
| cubexyz | Stallman said he never used systemd | Aug 03 21:13 |
| cubexyz | it sounded like he didn't really want to talk about it | Aug 03 21:13 |
| MinceR | yet he assumes it supports the freedom of the user based solely on its license | Aug 03 21:13 |
| MinceR | then he should have said he doesn't know or that he doesn't want to talk about it | Aug 03 21:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Companies That Support Linux: Solace Systems | Tux Machines | Aug 03 21:15 | |
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| msb__ | cubexyz: Thanks for Survey of Init Systems pdf! Very educational! | Aug 03 21:19 |
| cubexyz | it's a bit old so it didn't mention systemd, but was still interesting | Aug 03 21:19 |
| cubexyz | I'm trying to understand what shpchp does | Aug 03 21:33 |
| cubexyz | it's the Standard Hot Plug PCI controller driver | Aug 03 21:33 |
| cubexyz | "you can insert a new PCI hot plug adapter into an available PCI slot while the operating system is running" | Aug 03 21:35 |
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| msb__ | Very good argument against systemd, which tries to protect against problematic services by greatly increasing overall complexity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_is_the_enemy_of_good | Aug 03 22:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Perfect is the enemy of good - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/hfjzt ] | Aug 03 22:08 | |
| msb__ | Better to fix misbehaving services and leave the system simple enough that troubleshooting with ps, top, killall, etc., is still possible. | Aug 03 22:09 |
| msb__ | A Linux suitable for running all of Google or IMDB or Amazon on a single million-cpu processor is NOT suitable for running my 8-core desktop (which is only 2-core now). | Aug 03 22:12 |
| cubexyz | it's an operations issue to a large degree | Aug 03 22:12 |
| cubexyz | as the operator gets more skilled with any given system efficiency increases | Aug 03 22:12 |
| cubexyz | it doesn't matter exactly what software I use to access my scanner and long as it works | Aug 03 22:13 |
| cubexyz | I still want FOSS software of course | Aug 03 22:14 |
| msb__ | But I don't need all the load balancing, service tracking, malware preventing that those huge systems need. | Aug 03 22:14 |
| cubexyz | no a simpler OS for us is better | Aug 03 22:14 |
| msb__ | And I am already skilled enough that I can fix problems with my simple system. | Aug 03 22:14 |
| cubexyz | I can do my own load balancing by running different programs on different computers | Aug 03 22:15 |
| cubexyz | right | Aug 03 22:15 |
| msb__ | With a $200 8-core you won't even have to do that. | Aug 03 22:15 |
| msb__ | With my 2-core, I have to nice down firefox in order to play x265s. | Aug 03 22:17 |
| msb__ | That's load balancing. | Aug 03 22:17 |
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| cubexyz | I have one screen dedicated to IRC so I don't miss anything :) | Aug 03 22:18 |
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| MinceR | http://imgur.com/gallery/8OJ4t | Aug 03 22:25 |
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| MinceR | http://imgur.com/gallery/jJBoLbv | Aug 03 22:48 |
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| msb__ | 8^) | Aug 03 23:20 |
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| MinceR | https://www.reddit.com/r/touhou/comments/3fnmyf/psa_windows_10_locale/ | Aug 03 23:25 |
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| MinceR | http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/aug/03/privacy-smartphones-battery-life | Aug 03 23:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | How your phone's battery life can be used to invade your privacy | Technology | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/nch2e ] | Aug 03 23:32 | |
| MinceR | html5, fuck yeah | Aug 03 23:32 |
| cubexyz | huh, the survey of init systems was downloaded over 100 times | Aug 03 23:56 |
| cubexyz | starting to see some Arm64 and more Android users | Aug 04 00:00 |
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| oiaohm | Right now I am so happy my system has logind with loginctl. Its been driving me nuts why under Plasma I did not have vdpau working and it worked everwhere else. | Aug 04 00:36 |
| oiaohm | Also turns out it also a cause of KDE 5 instablity behind the problem. | Aug 04 00:37 |
| MinceR | http://pastebin.ca/3087493 | Aug 04 00:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pastebin.ca | pastebin - Mine - post number 3087493 | Aug 04 00:37 | |
| oiaohm | When you log out of Plasma 5 a section of it remains running. | Aug 04 00:37 |
| MinceR | behold, the service manager without flaws | Aug 04 00:37 |
| oiaohm | That old section interfers with next instance. | Aug 04 00:38 |
| oiaohm | Causing kwin to crash randomally and vdpua not to work. | Aug 04 00:38 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: No that message you have in pastebin is fairly clear Active: active (running) its consuming CPU even after the main process has died. | Aug 04 00:41 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that would be a leak under sysvinit possilbe prevent it from restarting. | Aug 04 00:41 |
| MinceR | yes, it's clearly active(running) and exited/FAILURE | Aug 04 00:41 |
| MinceR | only a heretic would think that's inconsistent | Aug 04 00:41 |
| MinceR | luckily for us, the thought police is here | Aug 04 00:42 |
| oiaohm | active and running is cgroup consumtion. | Aug 04 00:42 |
| oiaohm | So processes started by that are still running. | Aug 04 00:42 |
| oiaohm | Unfortantlly some closed source and badly made open source services return failed yet are working. | Aug 04 00:42 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: what have you never managed servers with closed source/bad open source services. | Aug 04 00:43 |
| MinceR | service is behaving badly under systemd: service's fault | Aug 04 00:44 |
| MinceR | service is behaving badly under anything else: service manager's fault | Aug 04 00:44 |
| MinceR | interesting. | Aug 04 00:44 |
| oiaohm | Process: 12578 ExecStop=/usr/libexec/tomcat/server stop (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) << notice what is. | Aug 04 00:45 |
| oiaohm | Command to stop server has failed. | Aug 04 00:45 |
| oiaohm | So yes service is still running. | Aug 04 00:45 |
| oiaohm | At this point you use the systemd cgroup sledge hammer to shut it down. | Aug 04 00:46 |
| oiaohm | Now if you are under sysvinit it hopefully manually dig it out the system. | Aug 04 00:46 |
| oiaohm | Or reboot the system. | Aug 04 00:47 |
| oiaohm | What you are complain about there is extreamly bad under a sysvinit system MinceR | Aug 04 00:47 |
| oiaohm | Annoying under a systemd system. | Aug 04 00:47 |
| MinceR | good think you love rebooting | Aug 04 00:47 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: No it reboot under sysvinit | Aug 04 00:49 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: to get a clean state. | Aug 04 00:49 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: systemd is not reboot | Aug 04 00:49 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you just brought in an example for systemd | Aug 04 00:50 |
| MinceR | and reboot under systemd to upgrade the logging daemon, to stop it from wasting cpu in an endless loop, to make it try booting without starting services while fsck is still working, ... | Aug 04 00:50 |
| MinceR | yes, i know | Aug 04 00:50 |
| MinceR | in the systemd religion, everything proves the glory of systemd | Aug 04 00:50 |
| oiaohm | No MinceR | Aug 04 00:50 |
| oiaohm | There are counter systemd arguements. | Aug 04 00:50 |
| MinceR | yes, and you believe all of them are wrong | Aug 04 00:50 |
| oiaohm | But you have to understand what would happen under sysvinit | Aug 04 00:50 |
| oiaohm | To know if you have one. | Aug 04 00:51 |
| oiaohm | You have brought me 3 total that are valid MinceR | Aug 04 00:51 |
| oiaohm | and I have stated they are valid MinceR | Aug 04 00:51 |
| MinceR | how does that make your cognitive dissonance feel? | Aug 04 00:51 |
| oiaohm | So its not that I will not believe you. | Aug 04 00:51 |
| oiaohm | If you are right. | Aug 04 00:51 |
| oiaohm | But I am really sick of you bringing in examples that if you test the same thing under sysvinit you have a big problem. | Aug 04 00:52 |
| oiaohm | Basically that example is also why to use openrc over sysvinit. | Aug 04 00:52 |
| oiaohm | And openrc would have reported the same thing. | Aug 04 00:52 |
| oiaohm | Ie the server is still running after its been told to stop. | Aug 04 00:52 |
| oiaohm | And that the stop command fialed. | Aug 04 00:53 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the fsck one is interesting. Systemd design says all key filesystems are mean to be checked and mounted by the initrd. | Aug 04 00:56 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: all non key filesystems are to be started by systemd. | Aug 04 00:57 |
| MinceR | it was said that some sort of timeout causes it to resume | Aug 04 00:57 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: where is / checked. | Aug 04 00:58 |
| oiaohm | Initrd includes fsck for a reason. | Aug 04 00:58 |
| oiaohm | systemd itself is not started until initrd ends. | Aug 04 00:59 |
| MinceR | maybe they'll make putting systemd in the initramfs mandatory :> | Aug 04 01:00 |
| MinceR | or they'll just proceed directly to ksystemd | Aug 04 01:00 |
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| oiaohm | Nop there is a different replacement for initrd | Aug 04 01:01 |
| oiaohm | What replaceing script based initrd has been defined. | Aug 04 01:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: about time you find the name of it. | Aug 04 01:02 |
| MinceR | ksystemd will make dave cutler so proud! | Aug 04 01:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: come on name what replaces script based initrd | Aug 04 01:04 |
| oiaohm | https://dracut.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page | Aug 04 01:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dracut.wiki.kernel.org | Dracut Wiki [ http://ur1.ca/b5kvb ] | Aug 04 01:05 | |
| oiaohm | The answer is dracut MinceR | Aug 04 01:05 |
| *MinceR is not impressed | Aug 04 01:06 | |
| oiaohm | dracut is more successful at starting that old init solution. | Aug 04 01:06 |
| oiaohm | old initrd systems. | Aug 04 01:06 |
| MinceR | ooh, it depends on udev, therefore, systemd | Aug 04 01:07 |
| oiaohm | Nop | Aug 04 01:07 |
| MinceR | yet another tentacle | Aug 04 01:07 |
| MinceR | "dracut's initramfs depends on udev" | Aug 04 01:07 |
| oiaohm | dracut does not use systemd libudev | Aug 04 01:07 |
| MinceR | right on the page you linked | Aug 04 01:07 |
| MinceR | udev is part of systemd | Aug 04 01:07 |
| oiaohm | dracut talks straight to udev kernel. | Aug 04 01:07 |
| oiaohm | udev is two halfs | Aug 04 01:07 |
| oiaohm | udev in kernel and userspace. | Aug 04 01:07 |
| oiaohm | systemd is only the userspace library part. | Aug 04 01:07 |
| oiaohm | So again you miss read and go off will bull crap MinceR | Aug 04 01:08 |
| oiaohm | dracut has no dependance on any particular init system. | Aug 04 01:09 |
| MinceR | yet. | Aug 04 01:09 |
| oiaohm | No never will. | Aug 04 01:09 |
| MinceR | also, systemd is not an init system | Aug 04 01:09 |
| MinceR | it's a piece of cancerous malware that aspires to be an operating system. | Aug 04 01:09 |
| oiaohm | Part of systemd is a init system. | Aug 04 01:09 |
| MinceR | it's a parasite that's latching on to the host OS with a million tentacles. | Aug 04 01:09 |
| oiaohm | Otherwise it could not init the system MinceR | Aug 04 01:09 |
| MinceR | just like redcrap is a parasite that's latching on to the free software community | Aug 04 01:10 |
| MinceR | and microsoft is a parasite that's latching on to the IT industry | Aug 04 01:10 |
| oiaohm | Also what is funny here MinceR | Aug 04 01:12 |
| oiaohm | Is dracut developers really don't like having todo massive amounts of fsck in the initrd | Aug 04 01:13 |
| MinceR | yeah, that's a regular laugh riot | Aug 04 01:13 |
| oiaohm | Because the dracut developers are kernel developers and believe you should be able to boot without a initramfs | Aug 04 01:14 |
| oiaohm | Now that is a real issue of systemd. | Aug 04 01:14 |
| MinceR | not all kernel developers are created equal | Aug 04 01:14 |
| oiaohm | it mandates the existance of a initramfs | Aug 04 01:14 |
| MinceR | consider gregkh for example, who wanted kdbus to be dumped in the kernel without review. | Aug 04 01:14 |
| oiaohm | Of course not all kernel developers are equal. | Aug 04 01:15 |
| oiaohm | There is more than 1 of them for a reason. | Aug 04 01:16 |
| oiaohm | Part of gregkh job is be advicate to get drivers into the kernel that are not of acceptable quality but address issues. Like android binder. | Aug 04 01:17 |
| MinceR | who employs him to do that? | Aug 04 01:18 |
| MinceR | redcrap? | Aug 04 01:18 |
| oiaohm | There are other developers who have the role of putting up the counter arguement. | Aug 04 01:18 |
| MinceR | whoever owns suse this month? | Aug 04 01:18 |
| MinceR | or perhaps the nsa directly? | Aug 04 01:18 |
| oiaohm | Guess what both sides are are redhat. | Aug 04 01:18 |
| oiaohm | Its a classic proscution/defense model. | Aug 04 01:19 |
| MinceR | a classic shell game | Aug 04 01:19 |
| oiaohm | Gregkh loses more often than he wins. | Aug 04 01:19 |
| MinceR | and apparently if he wins, the kernel goes to shit | Aug 04 01:19 |
| oiaohm | The last 2 vetos to kdbus include have been redhat. | Aug 04 01:20 |
| MinceR | maybe they'll have a chat with HR, then | Aug 04 01:20 |
| oiaohm | They are all doing their job. | Aug 04 01:20 |
| MinceR | i can see that | Aug 04 01:21 |
| MinceR | what i wonder is how much more will have to be destroyed until they're stopped | Aug 04 01:21 |
| oiaohm | This system of how to do major changes in the Linux kernel started 1994 | Aug 04 01:21 |
| MinceR | so far we've lost 5 distros that weren't redcrap or suse | Aug 04 01:21 |
| oiaohm | Most of the time it works well. | Aug 04 01:21 |
| MinceR | major ones, anyway | Aug 04 01:22 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#Adoption_and_reception | Aug 04 01:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | systemd - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nci1p ] | Aug 04 01:22 | |
| oiaohm | Really most of the distrobution who have taken up systemd were taking redhat sysvinit modifications. | Aug 04 01:22 |
| oiaohm | So really not as independant as you are making out MinceR | Aug 04 01:23 |
| MinceR | so redcrap was already holding their strings | Aug 04 01:23 |
| oiaohm | Has held there strings since 1996 yet you never noticed MinceR | Aug 04 01:23 |
| MinceR | well yeah, in the IT industry (and also in politics) it's a beloved sport to set up pretend "independents" | Aug 04 01:23 |
| MinceR | yeah, i didn't notice what redcrap was doing to gnu/linux until they killed debian | Aug 04 01:24 |
| oiaohm | debian has taken redhat sysvinit modifications since 1997 | Aug 04 01:24 |
| MinceR | and look where it got them | Aug 04 01:24 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: to being one of the most used and modified distrobutions on earth I would say taking redhat stuff has done them quite well. | Aug 04 01:26 |
| MinceR | i must be imagining the mass of bug tickets reporting horrible behavior due to systemd | Aug 04 01:27 |
| oiaohm | Other than the RPM/DEB bickering distrobutions have been closer. | Aug 04 01:27 |
| MinceR | i wonder how long debian will last | Aug 04 01:27 |
| MinceR | after all, the systemd cult believes that diversity is evil | Aug 04 01:27 |
| MinceR | so there can be only one distro | Aug 04 01:28 |
| MinceR | once systemdnf comes out, debian will abandon .deb | Aug 04 01:28 |
| oiaohm | Reality diversity in Linux Distrobutions has not existed properly for a long time. | Aug 04 01:28 |
| MinceR | and there won't be much of a pretense anymore | Aug 04 01:28 |
| MinceR | rejoice, then | Aug 04 01:28 |
| oiaohm | Interesting enough there is a rpm5 that does deb and rpm. | Aug 04 01:28 |
| oiaohm | There is techically differences in the way deb and rpm work. | Aug 04 01:29 |
| MinceR | ooh, then that can be adopted based on its "merits" by debian immediately | Aug 04 01:29 |
| oiaohm | neither can cover all cases perfectly. | Aug 04 01:29 |
| MinceR | go tell them | Aug 04 01:29 |
| oiaohm | No need MinceR https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=623585 | Aug 04 01:31 |
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| oiaohm | rpm5 is not new MinceR | Aug 04 01:31 |
| oiaohm | The fact it existed for this long and debian has not changed means debian is highly unlikely to move. | Aug 04 01:31 |
| MinceR | i don't see anything about replacing dpkg with rpm5 here | Aug 04 01:31 |
| MinceR | yeah, right | Aug 04 01:31 |
| oiaohm | Debian policy before it can replace anything it has to get its tail into sid. | Aug 04 01:32 |
| oiaohm | So far RPM5 has failed to get into sid. | Aug 04 01:32 |
| oiaohm | systemd could not be considered to replace the core init until it was at least in sid. | Aug 04 01:33 |
| MinceR | that's fine, redcrap pays enough people to make debian do its bidding | Aug 04 01:33 |
| MinceR | all they need to do is make gnome depend on yum/dnf/rpm being the package manager, and apt/dpkg gets thrown out before you realize what's going on | Aug 04 01:34 |
| oiaohm | You don't want to accept that systemd won on techical merit with debian and can lose on techical merit. | Aug 04 01:34 |
| MinceR | that's because i know systemd | Aug 04 01:34 |
| oiaohm | gnome dependant on only rpm has already been attempted. | Aug 04 01:34 |
| oiaohm | Totallly failed to move debian in 2002 | Aug 04 01:34 |
| MinceR | it's not 2002, though | Aug 04 01:35 |
| oiaohm | 2006 | Aug 04 01:35 |
| oiaohm | and 2008 | Aug 04 01:35 |
| oiaohm | Result is they are not moving. | Aug 04 01:35 |
| oiaohm | And if you knew your topic you would know why RPM to move debian has such a big problems. | Aug 04 01:40 |
| oiaohm | http://debian-br.sourceforge.net/txt/alien.html This lists the features of RPM and DEB | Aug 04 01:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-debian-br.sourceforge.net | A comparison of the deb, rpm, tgz, and slp package formats. [ http://ur1.ca/6kp8 ] | Aug 04 01:41 | |
| MinceR | the move to systemd caused tons of problems, yet it still happened. | Aug 04 01:42 |
| oiaohm | There were a ton of problems before systemd as well. | Aug 04 01:42 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: problems you want to pretend did not exist. | Aug 04 01:42 |
| MinceR | oh, that's fine, i guess | Aug 04 01:43 |
| MinceR | getting a lot of new problems is OK if we had a few before | Aug 04 01:43 |
| oiaohm | Number of problems systemd has caused are less than what already existed. | Aug 04 01:43 |
| MinceR | citation needed | Aug 04 01:43 |
| oiaohm | changing to consolekit caused pain. | Aug 04 01:44 |
| oiaohm | Because you could not clearly see what it was upto. | Aug 04 01:44 |
| oiaohm | so swaping out consolekit for a logind like solution makes sense. | Aug 04 01:44 |
| MinceR | good thing systemd is so transparent | Aug 04 01:45 |
| MinceR | anything makes sense if you lie hard enough. | Aug 04 01:45 |
| oiaohm | You would not call consolekit that transparent either. | Aug 04 01:45 |
| MinceR | which would matter, if consolekit was all systemd replaced. | Aug 04 01:45 |
| oiaohm | Its not lieing hard enough. | Aug 04 01:45 |
| MinceR | if it was as modular as you keep insisting, that would not be a problem. | Aug 04 01:46 |
| oiaohm | The change makes sense for now. Best out of a bad bunch. | Aug 04 01:46 |
| oiaohm | Now what we need is something designed better that can get into sid. | Aug 04 01:46 |
| MinceR | if you like the design principles of windows so much, why not just use windows? | Aug 04 01:46 |
| oiaohm | Then fight for it place. | Aug 04 01:46 |
| MinceR | we already have plenty of stuff that's designed better in sid | Aug 04 01:46 |
| MinceR | unless they've already thrown out sysvinit and openrc. | Aug 04 01:47 |
| MinceR | hell, even upstart is less brain-damaged than systemd. | Aug 04 01:47 |
| oiaohm | openrc is managing to fail to build. | Aug 04 01:47 |
| MinceR | strange, thousands of gentoo users manage to build it | Aug 04 01:47 |
| MinceR | somehow | Aug 04 01:47 |
| MinceR | i managed to build it too | Aug 04 01:47 |
| MinceR | it makes one suspect that perhaps they don't _want_ it to build. | Aug 04 01:48 |
| oiaohm | Even gentoo users do broard testing have run into some openrc issues. | Aug 04 01:48 |
| MinceR | well, that makes the choice easy, then, since systemd has no issues | Aug 04 01:48 |
| MinceR | oh wait | Aug 04 01:48 |
| oiaohm | Even that systemd has lots of nasty issues it managed to be good enough to get past debian auto quality tests. | Aug 04 01:48 |
| MinceR | funny thing, a lot of openrc doesn't even need to build, as there are shell scripts in there | Aug 04 01:48 |
| MinceR | (heresy!) | Aug 04 01:49 |
| MinceR | that only means that debian's auto quality tests aren't worth shit. | Aug 04 01:49 |
| oiaohm | debian has auto audited for bad scripting style MinceR | Aug 04 01:49 |
| oiaohm | There are quality issues with openrc | Aug 04 01:49 |
| MinceR | has it auto audited for braindead software design too? | Aug 04 01:49 |
| oiaohm | I want to see resolved. | Aug 04 01:49 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter anymore | Aug 04 01:49 |
| oiaohm | It does matter | Aug 04 01:50 |
| MinceR | the systemd cult got their thing in, openrc doesn't have another chance there | Aug 04 01:50 |
| oiaohm | Thinking there is another vote for init system for debian marked for next major release. | Aug 04 01:50 |
| MinceR | redcrap has all the leverage it needs to do debian whatever it wants. | Aug 04 01:50 |
| MinceR | and since debian is a competitor, there's only one direction that will go. | Aug 04 01:50 |
| MinceR | we've seen this game played by m$ so many times | Aug 04 01:51 |
| oiaohm | There is another chance for openrc | Aug 04 01:51 |
| MinceR | yet some people expect different results this time. | Aug 04 01:51 |
| oiaohm | It was given to the next release to mature. | Aug 04 01:51 |
| MinceR | maturity doesn't matter to debian | Aug 04 01:51 |
| MinceR | if it did, they wouldn't have adopted systemd. | Aug 04 01:51 |
| MinceR | it's still full of bugs that would be considered blockers if redcrap didn't have them by the balls. | Aug 04 01:52 |
| oiaohm | If they were happy with the systemd choice they would not have marked down for vote again next release. | Aug 04 01:52 |
| MinceR | it doesn't matter what they do in the next release | Aug 04 01:52 |
| oiaohm | You have presumed debian is happy about systemd MinceR | Aug 04 01:52 |
| MinceR | the idea of a "stable" release becomes preposterous after jessie is out. | Aug 04 01:52 |
| MinceR | only fools would trust debian with production systems now. | Aug 04 01:53 |
| MinceR | they might as well take fedora, slap a "debian" sticker on it and put it up for download. | Aug 04 01:53 |
| MinceR | they seemed pretty damn happy with that crap | Aug 04 01:53 |
| MinceR | so happy in fact they did everything they could to prevent people from using sysvinit | Aug 04 01:53 |
| oiaohm | Thing that is annoying me is systemd based debian for servers is less strange bugs than sysvinit was. | Aug 04 01:53 |
| MinceR | they did everything they could to break the system if you tried to do the heretical thing | Aug 04 01:54 |
| MinceR | they can go fuck themselves now. | Aug 04 01:54 |
| oiaohm | Debian was losing ground to upstart in servers because of sysvinit strangeness errors. | Aug 04 01:54 |
| MinceR | oh wait, they already have. | Aug 04 01:54 |
| MinceR | they've made all their work (past, present and future) count for jack shit with this move. | Aug 04 01:54 |
| MinceR | that's a good one | Aug 04 01:54 |
| MinceR | upstart on a server | Aug 04 01:54 |
| MinceR | that's like windows on a server | Aug 04 01:54 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: ubuntu | Aug 04 01:55 |
| MinceR | another knee-slapper | Aug 04 01:55 |
| MinceR | ubuntu "server" | Aug 04 01:55 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu was beating debian for server market aquirements. | Aug 04 01:55 |
| oiaohm | For a while. | Aug 04 01:55 |
| MinceR | hey, let's randomly suspend and resume processes for no good reason! | Aug 04 01:55 |
| MinceR | ooh, "beating" | Aug 04 01:55 |
| MinceR | just like windows is "beating" everyone else, right? | Aug 04 01:55 |
| MinceR | so much merit in that system. | Aug 04 01:55 |
| oiaohm | Remember debian refused to go upstart completely. | Aug 04 01:55 |
| MinceR | i still don't see why don't you systemd lovers just move to windows already | Aug 04 01:56 |
| MinceR | it's got all the design flaws you love so much | Aug 04 01:56 |
| oiaohm | Really I would prefer openrc | Aug 04 01:56 |
| MinceR | it's got services.exe, svchost.exe | Aug 04 01:56 |
| MinceR | it's got a windowing system in the kernel | Aug 04 01:56 |
| MinceR | it's got all sorts of random crap in the kernel | Aug 04 01:56 |
| MinceR | really, kdbus is just peanuts next to what windows does in the kernel | Aug 04 01:56 |
| oiaohm | That is the thing what Windows does in kernel is massive insane. | Aug 04 01:57 |
| MinceR | yeah, but that's totally cool nowadays | Aug 04 01:57 |
| MinceR | move dbus into the kernel, move everything else into pid1 | Aug 04 01:57 |
| oiaohm | Not true. | Aug 04 01:57 |
| MinceR | memory protection? who needs that? | Aug 04 01:57 |
| MinceR | access control? who needs that? | Aug 04 01:57 |
| oiaohm | pid1 does not in fact run lot under systemd. | Aug 04 01:57 |
| oiaohm | logind does not run as PID1 | Aug 04 01:58 |
| MinceR | let's let all the functions shit right all over each other's memory and see what happens! | Aug 04 01:58 |
| MinceR | files too! | Aug 04 01:58 |
| oiaohm | started by pid1 | Aug 04 01:58 |
| oiaohm | systemd is a stack of small applications. | Aug 04 01:58 |
| MinceR | yeah | Aug 04 01:58 |
| MinceR | which is why you can just swap out journald for something that was designed by someone with a clue, right? | Aug 04 01:58 |
| MinceR | oh wait, you can't | Aug 04 01:58 |
| MinceR | cancerd is modular only on the brochure | Aug 04 01:59 |
| MinceR | whenever you'd actually do something with this mythical modularity, it disappears. | Aug 04 01:59 |
| oiaohm | To be correct you could swap out journald | Aug 04 01:59 |
| oiaohm | but no one has make a replacement that supports the define interfaces. | Aug 04 01:59 |
| MinceR | sewing something on the asshole of journald is not "swapping out". | Aug 04 01:59 |
| MinceR | i wonder why no one has done that | Aug 04 01:59 |
| oiaohm | Supports all the define interfaces yet. | Aug 04 02:00 |
| oiaohm | rsyslog has a prototype. | Aug 04 02:00 |
| MinceR | yeah, a moving target is so easy to follow | Aug 04 02:00 |
| MinceR | especially with all the secrets. | Aug 04 02:00 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Aug 04 02:00 |
| MinceR | it's AARD all over again. | Aug 04 02:00 |
| oiaohm | journald interfaces were defined in 2010 and have not changed. | Aug 04 02:00 |
| MinceR | that time novell was one of the victims | Aug 04 02:00 |
| MinceR | they didn't learn jack shit from it either. | Aug 04 02:01 |
| oiaohm | Most parts of systemd are not moving targets. | Aug 04 02:01 |
| MinceR | citation needed | Aug 04 02:01 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: same place I gave you with logind documentation. | Aug 04 02:02 |
| MinceR | also, i wonder what will happen to all these alleged stable interfaces when the CADT model hits | Aug 04 02:02 |
| MinceR | and systemd gets rewritten all over again | Aug 04 02:02 |
| oiaohm | Turns out journald and logind they documented first then coded badly. | Aug 04 02:02 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: not in citation given | Aug 04 02:02 |
| oiaohm | The fact journald is broken is not the design. | Aug 04 02:02 |
| MinceR | funny thing, i do have something about the value of promises made by poettering/redcrap | Aug 04 02:03 |
| MinceR | http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.hotplug.devel/17392 | Aug 04 02:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-article.gmane.org | Gmane -- The future of the udev source tree [ http://ur1.ca/jn1n9 ] | Aug 04 02:03 | |
| MinceR | http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html | Aug 04 02:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.freedesktop.org | [systemd-devel] [PATCH] Drop the udev firmware loader [ http://ur1.ca/ir0kd ] | Aug 04 02:03 | |
| MinceR | it says "they aren't worth the money it cost you to download the message they were in" | Aug 04 02:03 |
| MinceR | also, journald is broken by design | Aug 04 02:03 |
| MinceR | it's sad if you can't see that. | Aug 04 02:03 |
| oiaohm | Please note the journald interface design is all text based. | Aug 04 02:04 |
| oiaohm | No binary logs. | Aug 04 02:04 |
| MinceR | and the design of journald consists solely of its interface? | Aug 04 02:04 |
| MinceR | is systemd a potemkin village, then? | Aug 04 02:04 |
| oiaohm | The interface design is what you have to copy to replace it. | Aug 04 02:05 |
| oiaohm | They could have include the binary crap in the interface design. | Aug 04 02:05 |
| MinceR | they didn't have to. | Aug 04 02:05 |
| oiaohm | But they thought that someone some day might want to make a replacement to journald. | Aug 04 02:06 |
| MinceR | journald interface vs. design: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/05/04/the-broodax-imperiate | Aug 04 02:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.penny-arcade.com | Penny Arcade - Comic - The Broodax Imperiate [ http://ur1.ca/ncif1 ] | Aug 04 02:06 | |
| MinceR | they thought that the nsa some day might want a replacement to journald? | Aug 04 02:07 |
| MinceR | if they really wanted journald to be possible to swap out, it would have the same interface as the preexisting syslogd-s. | Aug 04 02:08 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Aug 04 02:08 |
| MinceR | i was sure you'd say that | Aug 04 02:08 |
| oiaohm | to ensure proper logging existing syslogs had to use wrapper programs. | Aug 04 02:09 |
| MinceR | redcrap is just like m$, they rewrite the rules as they see fit and the unthinking masses worship them for it and praise their every move. | Aug 04 02:09 |
| MinceR | at least existing syslogs could do proper logging. | Aug 04 02:09 |
| oiaohm | Most of those had the same problems consolekit had. | Aug 04 02:09 |
| oiaohm | No interface to find out what in heck they were upto. | Aug 04 02:09 |
| MinceR | and for that you have to replace the entire interface? cool story. | Aug 04 02:10 |
| oiaohm | journald kept syslog backend and recieving messages by syslog. | Aug 04 02:10 |
| oiaohm | So no they did not replace the complete inteface. | Aug 04 02:10 |
| MinceR | is that why it shits logs into an unreliable binary mess? | Aug 04 02:10 |
| oiaohm | storing in binary logs that was a idea that other parties had done before them. | Aug 04 02:11 |
| oiaohm | That someone though would be core. | Aug 04 02:11 |
| oiaohm | core/cool. | Aug 04 02:11 |
| MinceR | which is why nobody with a clue would put that "someone" in charge. | Aug 04 02:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: as I said to you binary logs on Unix/Linux/BSD is not new. | Aug 04 02:12 |
| oiaohm | journald developers though they would include it as a core feature. | Aug 04 02:12 |
| MinceR | yeah, if you take the truth, flip it inside out and mangle it really well, it seems like it's not new | Aug 04 02:12 |
| MinceR | that is, if you deliberately confuse syslog with utmp and wtmp | Aug 04 02:12 |
| MinceR | they're not the same thing. | Aug 04 02:12 |
| MinceR | and yeah, the journal developers are idiots. | Aug 04 02:13 |
| MinceR | s/al/ald/ | Aug 04 02:13 |
| MinceR | i don't see anything in http://debian-br.sourceforge.net/txt/alien.html that sufficiently motivated moles couldn't ignore. | Aug 04 02:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-debian-br.sourceforge.net | A comparison of the deb, rpm, tgz, and slp package formats. [ http://ur1.ca/6kp8 ] | Aug 04 02:13 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: syslog-ng before systemd existed supported using completely binary syslogs. | Aug 04 02:13 |
| MinceR | that's great for them, i guess | Aug 04 02:14 |
| MinceR | still, it didn't force anyone to use syslog-ng. | Aug 04 02:14 |
| MinceR | nor did it force anyone to pass their logs through syslog-ng. | Aug 04 02:14 |
| oiaohm | What was redhat default syslog. syslog-ng | Aug 04 02:14 |
| MinceR | who cares? nobody with a clue used redhat. | Aug 04 02:14 |
| oiaohm | Where did the developer of journald come from. | Aug 04 02:14 |
| MinceR | yum is still an unreliable mess, and most likely so's dnf. | Aug 04 02:14 |
| MinceR | hell? | Aug 04 02:14 |
| oiaohm | syslog-ng | Aug 04 02:14 |
| MinceR | microsoft? | Aug 04 02:14 |
| MinceR | the nsa? | Aug 04 02:14 |
| oiaohm | and redhat. | Aug 04 02:15 |
| oiaohm | Fairly much the issue of binary logging was ingnored before journal.d | Aug 04 02:15 |
| MinceR | strange, i thought the syslog-ng developers didn't have shit for brains | Aug 04 02:15 |
| oiaohm | As long as you could turn it off it was classed acceptable. | Aug 04 02:15 |
| MinceR | i guess life is just full of disappointments like that. | Aug 04 02:15 |
| MinceR | well yeah, "option" is a dirty word now | Aug 04 02:16 |
| MinceR | emperor lennart decides all your settings now | Aug 04 02:16 |
| oiaohm | journald does have binary logging off option. | Aug 04 02:16 |
| oiaohm | Only difference between journald and syslog-ng. | Aug 04 02:17 |
| MinceR | last time i checked all it had was the option to shit its logs into another syslogd | Aug 04 02:17 |
| MinceR | after thoroughly mangling them | Aug 04 02:17 |
| MinceR | that was the cancerd cult's excuse. | Aug 04 02:17 |
| oiaohm | is the journald is binary logging on by default and syslog-ng is binary login off by default. | Aug 04 02:17 |
| oiaohm | Both feature wise contain the same kind of crap. | Aug 04 02:17 |
| MinceR | i even seem to recall some bullshit from poettering about how it's impossible to do something systemd does with text logs | Aug 04 02:17 |
| oiaohm | syslog-ng can compact your complete logging directory into 1 file. | Aug 04 02:17 |
| MinceR | i can compact your complete logging directory into 1 file regardless of your logging daemon. | Aug 04 02:18 |
| MinceR | this isn't exactly rocket surgery | Aug 04 02:18 |
| oiaohm | written in a binary logging format. | Aug 04 02:18 |
| MinceR | mount -t ext3 bullshit.img /var/log/ | Aug 04 02:18 |
| MinceR | look, magic! | Aug 04 02:18 |
| oiaohm | No | Aug 04 02:18 |
| oiaohm | not like that. | Aug 04 02:18 |
| MinceR | oops, forgot -o loop | Aug 04 02:18 |
| oiaohm | No filesystem tricks MinceR | Aug 04 02:18 |
| MinceR | tar cjvvf bullshit.tar.bz2 /var/log/ | Aug 04 02:19 |
| oiaohm | Nop | Aug 04 02:19 |
| MinceR | yeah, no filesystem tricks needed | Aug 04 02:19 |
| oiaohm | not tar | Aug 04 02:19 |
| MinceR | cpio? | Aug 04 02:19 |
| oiaohm | No worse. | Aug 04 02:19 |
| MinceR | ar? | Aug 04 02:19 |
| oiaohm | sql database | Aug 04 02:19 |
| MinceR | ooh, now we're talking | Aug 04 02:19 |
| MinceR | oracle? m$sql? | Aug 04 02:19 |
| MinceR | m$ access? | Aug 04 02:20 |
| oiaohm | one option is sqllite | Aug 04 02:20 |
| oiaohm | Gess how that ends up. | Aug 04 02:20 |
| MinceR | but that's clearly not broken or evil enough | Aug 04 02:20 |
| MinceR | also, not expensive enough | Aug 04 02:20 |
| MinceR | my guess is that a sudden power outage means you can kiss your logs goodbye. | Aug 04 02:21 |
| oiaohm | Yep more way more insured than using journald binary logging. | Aug 04 02:22 |
| oiaohm | Yes journald binary logging is evil. But if you mess around with existing syslog deamon options there is worse. | Aug 04 02:23 |
| MinceR | optional evil can't be as bad as evil that's foisted on you. | Aug 04 02:24 |
| MinceR | especially of said optional evil isn't even the default. | Aug 04 02:25 |
| MinceR | s/of/if/ | Aug 04 02:25 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: http://blog.julien.cayzac.name/2008/03/using-sqlite-backend-for-syslogd.html | Aug 04 02:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.julien.cayzac.name | Using a sqlite backend for syslogd [ http://ur1.ca/ncil1 ] | Aug 04 02:26 | |
| oiaohm | This is 2008 MinceR | Aug 04 02:26 |
| MinceR | and it's not forced on you | Aug 04 02:26 |
| MinceR | you don't even have to like it | Aug 04 02:26 |
| MinceR | but if you dare say something bad about journald, the thought police comes for you | Aug 04 02:27 |
| oiaohm | Did you not notice there lack of consistancy. So you have like 5 admins setting up 5 different servers todo binary forms of Logging and they could all be completley incompadible with each other. | Aug 04 02:29 |
| oiaohm | There are reasons behind what journald has done. Could journald done it way better hell yes. | Aug 04 02:29 |
| MinceR | > By the time the change and the GR happened it was already too late for Debian... things were already evidently quite sick in Debian when gnome3 was made the default desktop for Wheezy. The reality was most sysadmin types stuck with Debian because it was less polluted then most other distrobutions and still allowed reasonable control over what software and daemons were installed. | Aug 04 02:30 |
| MinceR | > I did read a little while back a commentary that blamed the shift on vocal minority factions coming in and a tendancy for those vocal minorities to be the ones most oft seen and heard, and thus they gained a following because they were seen as being bright lights and visionaries and where charismatic so they won over hearts and minds of the geeky peers who liked their ears to be tickled and thought that they were doing great things for | Aug 04 02:30 |
| MinceR | > "social justice" and ushering the "year of the linux desktop". Sadly it was a fad, a political maneuvering, a duplicity that has taken a Distrobution once driven by passionate sys-admins and old school unix users and handed it to the new generation of developers and short sighted pragmatists, who valued prettiness over security and deterministic preciseness. | Aug 04 02:30 |
| MinceR | > Debian had already fallen long before systemd was set as the default init system. | Aug 04 02:30 |
| MinceR | yeah, how dare people in charge of administrating a system make decisions of their own? | Aug 04 02:31 |
| MinceR | everyone should be remotely controlled by redcrap | Aug 04 02:31 |
| oiaohm | It become a problem when working in a teams managing servers MinceR | Aug 04 02:31 |
| MinceR | so we can finally be united in a global and perfectly fascist empire! | Aug 04 02:31 |
| oiaohm | Everyone need to be on the same page. | Aug 04 02:31 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: and forcing shit on people is the only way to do that? | Aug 04 02:31 |
| oiaohm | Of course keeping the custom options would have been good. | Aug 04 02:32 |
| oiaohm | Providing a defined option that you could choose to use was required as well. | Aug 04 02:32 |
| MinceR | why not just hand root access to poettering and be guests on computers you're supposed to own? | Aug 04 02:32 |
| MinceR | or just hand it over directly to the nsa. | Aug 04 02:32 |
| oiaohm | You got to accept that poettering and others were trying to solve a set of problems. | Aug 04 02:32 |
| oiaohm | Just they have not done it very well. | Aug 04 02:33 |
| MinceR | this sort of idiotic, fascistic thinking is what is turning the world into an even worse hell nowadays. | Aug 04 02:33 |
| oiaohm | if they had done it well do you think I would be looking at openrc | Aug 04 02:33 |
| MinceR | this is what led to systemd, kdbus, uefi, intel boot guard, treacherous computing, DRM, crApple-style 'app store' models | Aug 04 02:33 |
| MinceR | this is what led to the clipper chip | Aug 04 02:33 |
| MinceR | this is what led to total global surveillance | Aug 04 02:33 |
| oiaohm | bios level rootkits existed before systemd. | Aug 04 02:34 |
| MinceR | in your blind, unthinking quest for perfect conformity, you've given up all your rights and freedoms. | Aug 04 02:34 |
| oiaohm | I understand to have freedom I will need the complete source of the system I am using. | Aug 04 02:34 |
| oiaohm | There are so many places to place a backdoor in existing systems it not funny. | Aug 04 02:35 |
| MinceR | yet you defend an undocumented hairball. | Aug 04 02:35 |
| MinceR | systemd is the best place for backdoors until the nsa manages to take over the kernel | Aug 04 02:35 |
| MinceR | (probably via kdbus) | Aug 04 02:35 |
| oiaohm | That is the funny thing when I went to see if systemd was undocumented I found it has a huge ammount of documentation. | Aug 04 02:35 |
| oiaohm | Systemd is more documented than the Linux kernel. | Aug 04 02:36 |
| oiaohm | In fact on operation is more documented than most sysvinit solutions distrobutions used. | Aug 04 02:36 |
| MinceR | you must have been looking at a different source code than i was. | Aug 04 02:37 |
| MinceR | i guess they have a secret copy with comments in it that they only show to the initiated. | Aug 04 02:37 |
| oiaohm | I went looking for documentation not the source code. | Aug 04 02:37 |
| MinceR | yeah, it's not like you can or should document the code itself | Aug 04 02:37 |
| oiaohm | I will say the source code comments in systemd need a lot better quality. | Aug 04 02:37 |
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| MinceR | anything between /* and */ is just line noise in c code. | Aug 04 02:37 |
| oiaohm | But so do the source code comments in the Linux kernel. | Aug 04 02:37 |
| MinceR | also, i wonder what's in the Documentation/ directory in the kernel sources | Aug 04 02:38 |
| MinceR | the name isn't ringing a bell... | Aug 04 02:38 |
| MinceR | somehow, it evades me. | Aug 04 02:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: most of the documetentation in the Documentation directory in the Linux kernel is not inline with the source version. | Aug 04 02:38 |
| oiaohm | That is something where the systemd documentation is ahead. | Aug 04 02:39 |
| oiaohm | FOSS project and poor documentation is unfortantly not new. | Aug 04 02:39 |
| MinceR | well that's fine, if someone did something wrong somewhere, systemd must copy it. | Aug 04 02:40 |
| MinceR | just like the hungarian "constitution" written by the nazis | Aug 04 02:40 |
| MinceR | (at least they claimed that every stupid thing was copied from some other constitution somewhere) | Aug 04 02:40 |
| oiaohm | Most constitution documents contain fragement from others. | Aug 04 02:41 |
| oiaohm | Mostly not great. | Aug 04 02:41 |
| oiaohm | You have to remember Linux kernel started off as a project to make a cheap posix os. | Aug 04 02:42 |
| oiaohm | Linux world copying others is not new either. | Aug 04 02:42 |
| MinceR | yeah, but it used to be much better | Aug 04 02:42 |
| MinceR | they used to copy good ideas from unix | Aug 04 02:43 |
| oiaohm | Not always better | Aug 04 02:43 |
| MinceR | now they copy bad ideas from windows | Aug 04 02:43 |
| oiaohm | They also copied some of the bad ideas from bad unix instead of following bsd | Aug 04 02:43 |
| MinceR | gnu/linux used to be mostly reliable, except for broken drivers | Aug 04 02:43 |
| oiaohm | Like using PID to track processes instead of TTY | Aug 04 02:43 |
| MinceR | now we have stuff like udisks2 mysteriously dying with the documentation saying nothing about how to fix that. | Aug 04 02:43 |
| MinceR | and systemd adds even more mysterious bugs. | Aug 04 02:43 |
| MinceR | yeah, you keep harping about PID files | Aug 04 02:44 |
| MinceR | yet i have yet to see any issue from that. | Aug 04 02:44 |
| oiaohm | udisks2 issues I will give you are hard to debug. | Aug 04 02:44 |
| MinceR | especially since the man page says it will be started when needed | Aug 04 02:45 |
| MinceR | which is a lie. | Aug 04 02:45 |
| MinceR | we also have networkmanager, which is also an unreliable piece of shit | Aug 04 02:46 |
| oiaohm | What is the commonality here. | Aug 04 02:46 |
| oiaohm | What is meant to start udisk2 on demard. | Aug 04 02:46 |
| MinceR | nautilus or something nautilus uses | Aug 04 02:47 |
| oiaohm | There is one part you need to be looking at with very much evil MinceR | Aug 04 02:47 |
| oiaohm | Most of the current failures you follow them back to dbus server issues. | Aug 04 02:48 |
| MinceR | of course. | Aug 04 02:48 |
| oiaohm | That is becaise dbus was designed around the wrong idea of sending data between processes in ways kernel cannot assist with. | Aug 04 02:48 |
| MinceR | dbus was designed by a windows fanboy | Aug 04 02:49 |
| MinceR | it is not meant to be restarted, you're supposed to reboot | Aug 04 02:49 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: kinda true. | Aug 04 02:49 |
| MinceR | such crap doesn't belong on a server or a workstation. | Aug 04 02:49 |
| MinceR | back in the day gnu/linux wasn't built on toys like dbus. | Aug 04 02:49 |
| oiaohm | Before dbus there were hald issues. | Aug 04 02:50 |
| oiaohm | and sound servers fighting with each other. | Aug 04 02:50 |
| oiaohm | Applications for different graphical envornments not working with each other. | Aug 04 02:50 |
| MinceR | i didn't have issues with sound servers before pulseaudio reared its ugly head | Aug 04 02:51 |
| oiaohm | I had esound and artsd cat fight. | Aug 04 02:51 |
| MinceR | but that was probably because my sound card driver did hardware mixing of stuff sent to /dev/dsp | Aug 04 02:51 |
| oiaohm | before pulseaudio | Aug 04 02:51 |
| oiaohm | Since I run a mix of kde and gnome applications. | Aug 04 02:51 |
| MinceR | i did that too | Aug 04 02:52 |
| oiaohm | So one application would want esound and one would want artsd | Aug 04 02:52 |
| oiaohm | So then they would nicely fail. | Aug 04 02:52 |
| MinceR | most applications didn't want either if you set them up to stay quiet | Aug 04 02:52 |
| MinceR | i had no need for silly sound effects | Aug 04 02:52 |
| oiaohm | I was using different tools to do audio work at the time MinceR | Aug 04 02:53 |
| MinceR | i didn't do much audio work | Aug 04 02:53 |
| oiaohm | So I suffered where you did not MinceR | Aug 04 02:53 |
| oiaohm | The Linux would has not been great. | Aug 04 02:54 |
| oiaohm | Broken dbus is not helpping. | Aug 04 02:54 |
| oiaohm | We need something like dbus that works. | Aug 04 02:54 |
| oiaohm | And that everyone agrees to use. | Aug 04 02:54 |
| MinceR | that last bit won't happen | Aug 04 02:54 |
| MinceR | redcrap will insist on forcing some broken crap on everyone | Aug 04 02:55 |
| MinceR | be it dbus, kdbus or some other piece of shit they come up with | Aug 04 02:55 |
| MinceR | (and most likely build into the kernel or into systemd, or both) | Aug 04 02:55 |
| oiaohm | kdbus going up against kernel developers will see it way more audited than dbus ever was. | Aug 04 02:55 |
| MinceR | if that enormous tumor can be audited at all, that is | Aug 04 02:56 |
| MinceR | and it's kind of pointless anyway, since that obviously doesn't belong in the kernel | Aug 04 02:56 |
| oiaohm | So I see kdbus as best chance of some decent. Like linus demarding that for speed compared dbus has to be fixed. | Aug 04 02:56 |
| MinceR | if it goes in, something has already gone wrong. | Aug 04 02:56 |
| oiaohm | So kdbus even if kdbus fails to be included in the Linux kernel the down force from it will see default dbus improve. | Aug 04 02:56 |
| MinceR | i haven't heard of dbus being improved at all after Linus profiled it and told them to fix their shit | Aug 04 02:57 |
| MinceR | like spoiled children, they keep on forcing kdbus | Aug 04 02:57 |
| MinceR | http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1506.2/03764.html | Aug 04 02:57 |
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| oiaohm | If you look a dbus source tree there have been many patches since linux told them to fix their shit. | Aug 04 02:57 |
| MinceR | "kdbus support is no longer compile-time optional" | Aug 04 02:57 |
| MinceR | this attitude has to die | Aug 04 02:58 |
| MinceR | if it doesn't, the kernel will. | Aug 04 02:58 |
| oiaohm | That is not new. | Aug 04 02:58 |
| oiaohm | like kdm probing for 8 different login solutions without switches. | Aug 04 02:58 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter how old it is, it's extremely toxic. | Aug 04 02:58 |
| oiaohm | We are dealing with the desktop envornment developers here. | Aug 04 02:59 |
| MinceR | as usual, redcrap is abusing their leverage. | Aug 04 02:59 |
| oiaohm | Way of doing things. | Aug 04 02:59 |
| MinceR | and not only that, they're forcing the api to be set in stone. | Aug 04 02:59 |
| oiaohm | Make it not optional and probe for it at runtime. | Aug 04 02:59 |
| MinceR | so it can't be fixed now. | Aug 04 02:59 |
| MinceR | redcrap management must be made to understand that the linux project is not their corporate garbage dump | Aug 04 03:00 |
| MinceR | otherwise it will be their corporate garbage dump | Aug 04 03:00 |
| MinceR | and before you know it, it will be another windows nt kernel. | Aug 04 03:00 |
| MinceR | these retards think of "throw it into the kernel!" as item number one when it comes to performance issues. | Aug 04 03:00 |
| MinceR | just like the retards at microsoft. | Aug 04 03:01 |
| oiaohm | Yet you use performance issues in Linux kernel world benchmarks done properly are required. | Aug 04 03:01 |
| oiaohm | And if that shows other issues you are ordered to fix those first. | Aug 04 03:01 |
| MinceR | or the kernel will have to be forked, but that would need enough developers to keep the project alive | Aug 04 03:01 |
| MinceR | otherwise we might as well move to netbsd and openbsd. | Aug 04 03:01 |
| oiaohm | Really its been good they have attempted to go into the Linux kernel. | Aug 04 03:02 |
| oiaohm | it triggered back presure. | Aug 04 03:02 |
| MinceR | redcrap did not do benchmarks properly. | Aug 04 03:02 |
| oiaohm | Yep and the Linux kernel developers called them out on it. | Aug 04 03:02 |
| MinceR | and if they have to have Linus tell them how to do software engineering, then there's no hope they'll do software engineering properly | Aug 04 03:02 |
| oiaohm | I don't see kdbus process as a bad thing. | Aug 04 03:02 |
| MinceR | they should find a career they can do well at | Aug 04 03:02 |
| MinceR | they could try becoming biofuel, for example. | Aug 04 03:02 |
| MinceR | that doesn't need a level of mental acuity they clearly don't have | Aug 04 03:03 |
| oiaohm | dbus need to run into some group who would say no. | Aug 04 03:03 |
| MinceR | i think the kdbus "process" shows that the redcrap people are utterly retarded and have absolutely no clue about software engineering | Aug 04 03:03 |
| MinceR | then again, we've seen that in systemd too | Aug 04 03:03 |
| oiaohm | Not all redhat personal are shit. | Aug 04 03:04 |
| MinceR | also, what the fuck are they thinking sending >512kB messages via dbus? | Aug 04 03:04 |
| oiaohm | the kdbus veto on performance test not being done proprerly was documented by a redhat developer to linus. | Aug 04 03:04 |
| MinceR | Linus isn't going to babysit them and hold their hands through software engineering 101. | Aug 04 03:04 |
| oiaohm | Some redhat staff need to be kicked hard. | Aug 04 03:05 |
| MinceR | so does the management. | Aug 04 03:05 |
| oiaohm | Yep the ones who should be doing the kicking. | Aug 04 03:05 |
| oiaohm | Please not lump all of them in with that. MinceR | Aug 04 03:05 |
| oiaohm | Some of the staff at redhat are good. | Aug 04 03:06 |
| MinceR | the ones who think it's acceptable to turn against their userbase and the developers whose work they've profited off. | Aug 04 03:06 |
| MinceR | it seems the good ones have no power. | Aug 04 03:06 |
| oiaohm | They do have enough power they don't get fired or harmed for vetoing stuff on Linux mailing lists. | Aug 04 03:06 |
| oiaohm | But I would like to see them have more power. | Aug 04 03:07 |
| MinceR | that's obviously not enough. | Aug 04 03:07 |
| MinceR | how many distros have to be killed before the madmen are stopped? | Aug 04 03:07 |
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| oiaohm | For number of developers to maintain distrobutions vs number of distributions we have had a problem for a long time. | Aug 04 03:08 |
| oiaohm | There have been a lot of 1 developer distrobutions. | Aug 04 03:08 |
| MinceR | we have? | Aug 04 03:08 |
| MinceR | why does that hurt you? | Aug 04 03:08 |
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| oiaohm | so for those distrobutions to get secuirty updates MinceR | Aug 04 03:08 |
| MinceR | i know at least one (close to) 1 developer distro that's worth a million redcrap distros. | Aug 04 03:08 |
| MinceR | they'll still be more secure than the systemd/Linux distros. | Aug 04 03:09 |
| oiaohm | We have need the number of distrobutions to reduce. | Aug 04 03:09 |
| MinceR | we already have. | Aug 04 03:09 |
| oiaohm | So a distrobutions are like teams of 5 | Aug 04 03:09 |
| oiaohm | min | Aug 04 03:09 |
| MinceR | mageia, opensuse, arch, coreos, sles, ubuntu and debian are already as good as dead. | Aug 04 03:09 |
| MinceR | how many more need to die? | Aug 04 03:10 |
| oiaohm | debian is not dead. | Aug 04 03:10 |
| MinceR | yes it is. | Aug 04 03:10 |
| MinceR | it has already failed at all of the things it stood for. | Aug 04 03:10 |
| MinceR | it's not universal, it's not stable and it's not independent from redcrap. | Aug 04 03:10 |
| MinceR | debian gnu/hurd and debian gnu/kfreebsd are dead. | Aug 04 03:11 |
| MinceR | they dropped an architecture recently. | Aug 04 03:11 |
| MinceR | their governance is a joke. | Aug 04 03:11 |
| MinceR | their mailing lists are heavily censored. | Aug 04 03:11 |
| MinceR | and the gnome project has played with them like a marionette for a while now. | Aug 04 03:11 |
| oiaohm | The one architecture they dropped recently is the test hardware died. | Aug 04 03:12 |
| MinceR | maybe they should have asked redcrap for a replacement, then | Aug 04 03:12 |
| oiaohm | No point maintaining a branch you cannot test. | Aug 04 03:12 |
| MinceR | it's the least those toxic assholes could do. | Aug 04 03:12 |
| MinceR | that's interesting, redcrap, m$ and crApple happily release untested products | Aug 04 03:12 |
| MinceR | and debian happily ignored all experience with systemd and forced it on their users. | Aug 04 03:12 |
| MinceR | so it's not like they were doing anything with the results of the tests. | Aug 04 03:13 |
| MinceR | oh, i almost forgot | Aug 04 03:13 |
| MinceR | debian is also not free | Aug 04 03:13 |
| MinceR | the default gui install depends on mono | Aug 04 03:13 |
| MinceR | and it also depends on systemd. | Aug 04 03:13 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: have you not installed debain in default GUI install mode recnetly. | Aug 04 03:15 |
| MinceR | i have not | Aug 04 03:15 |
| MinceR | but they still insist on using gnome by default | Aug 04 03:15 |
| oiaohm | My my recent install of debian testing default GUI does not have mono installed. | Aug 04 03:15 |
| MinceR | because they've got to have the worst DE available | Aug 04 03:15 |
| oiaohm | Even that gnome is installed. | Aug 04 03:15 |
| MinceR | and tomboy is still a default gnome component | Aug 04 03:15 |
| MinceR | they almost caught a clue and switched to xfce twive | Aug 04 03:16 |
| MinceR | s/ive/ice/ | Aug 04 03:16 |
| MinceR | but no, they have to insist on shitty gnome | Aug 04 03:16 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: tomboy is optional in debian packages. | Aug 04 03:16 |
| MinceR | i don't use testing ot sid. | Aug 04 03:16 |
| MinceR | i use what they call "stable" | Aug 04 03:16 |
| oiaohm | AT least in testing | Aug 04 03:16 |
| MinceR | which was stable until jessie came out. | Aug 04 03:16 |
| MinceR | now it's just old. | Aug 04 03:16 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i know it's optional, but every time i tried apt/dpkg satisfied the dependency with tomboy, not gnote | Aug 04 03:17 |
| MinceR | and tomboy brought in mono. | Aug 04 03:17 |
| MinceR | which is baffling, for all the posturing about free software. | Aug 04 03:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I can tell in testing. | Aug 04 03:17 |
| oiaohm | both tomboy and gnote are optional. | Aug 04 03:17 |
| MinceR | one would think they'd avoid pushing their users into the m$ patent trap, but no | Aug 04 03:18 |
| oiaohm | in call cases. | Aug 04 03:18 |
| oiaohm | Because enough users complained about it MinceR | Aug 04 03:18 |
| MinceR | not soon enough. | Aug 04 03:18 |
| oiaohm | I have not checked the latest stable. | Aug 04 03:18 |
| oiaohm | I think that was backported. | Aug 04 03:18 |
| MinceR | their final stable (not "stable") release, wheezy, still has this problem. | Aug 04 03:18 |
| oiaohm | Ok so you were not to jessie | Aug 04 03:19 |
| MinceR | why would i? | Aug 04 03:20 |
| MinceR | the whole point of using debian was a stable os | Aug 04 03:20 |
| MinceR | not this unreliable winblows clone called systemd. | Aug 04 03:20 |
| MinceR | if i wanted an os that couldn't even boot reliably, i'd use reactos. | Aug 04 03:21 |
| MinceR | or windows. | Aug 04 03:21 |
| oiaohm | Its optional in jessie | Aug 04 03:21 |
| MinceR | oh, sure | Aug 04 03:21 |
| MinceR | if you don't mind being unable to install most of the packages in the repo | Aug 04 03:21 |
| MinceR | stuff like gimp and cups | Aug 04 03:21 |
| MinceR | who needs those, right? | Aug 04 03:22 |
| oiaohm | Not true. | Aug 04 03:23 |
| oiaohm | gimp and cups installs without mono. | Aug 04 03:23 |
| MinceR | oh, i thought you meant systemd was "optional" | Aug 04 03:23 |
| oiaohm | Sorry I missed you systemd stuff I was refering to tomboy. | Aug 04 03:23 |
| MinceR | yeah, i could get around the dependency on mono, but the point is i shouldn't have to | Aug 04 03:23 |
| oiaohm | even the last releases of wheezy switch tomboy and other mono applications back to optional. | Aug 04 03:24 |
| oiaohm | So that fault was fixed MinceR | Aug 04 03:24 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: but I do agree it should not have happened in the first place. | Aug 04 03:25 |
| MinceR | so what do they install by default? | Aug 04 03:25 |
| oiaohm | Using updated installers they don't. | Aug 04 03:25 |
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| oiaohm | They are no longer in the default task list packaged for the desktop MinceR | Aug 04 03:26 |
| oiaohm | Now you only get them if you have used an old version of that. | Aug 04 03:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: not all these problems last for ever. | Aug 04 03:26 |
| MinceR | yeah, once redcrap kills gnu/linux, these problems go away | Aug 04 03:26 |
| MinceR | especially if they also manage to kill *bsd. | Aug 04 03:27 |
| MinceR | haiku has already committed seppuku | Aug 04 03:27 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly sure of that. | Aug 04 03:27 |
| oiaohm | beos contained something a lot like systemd | Aug 04 03:27 |
| oiaohm | I want to see how haiku end up implementing it. | Aug 04 03:28 |
| MinceR | apparently they're going from a script taking care of boot to an opaque binary doing it | Aug 04 03:28 |
| oiaohm | beos used binary start not script. | Aug 04 03:29 |
| MinceR | shell scripts are apparently heresy in haiku too, not just on gnu/linux | Aug 04 03:29 |
| MinceR | haiku is not beos. | Aug 04 03:29 |
| oiaohm | haiku is a reimplementation of beos | Aug 04 03:29 |
| MinceR | i know | Aug 04 03:30 |
| oiaohm | beos service manager was good. | Aug 04 03:30 |
| oiaohm | Way better than windows or smf | Aug 04 03:30 |
| MinceR | coming from you, that hardly means anything | Aug 04 03:30 |
| oiaohm | Please note windows service manager I can find design flaws worse than anything. | Aug 04 03:31 |
| oiaohm | SMF from solarias its control interfaces are horible at times. | Aug 04 03:31 |
| MinceR | i'm sure with time systemd will adopt all of them. | Aug 04 03:31 |
| oiaohm | Some of Windows design flaws are impossible due to systemd using cgroups the way it does. | Aug 04 03:31 |
| oiaohm | So systemd will never adopt all the windows flaws. | Aug 04 03:32 |
| MinceR | i trust they'll find a way | Aug 04 03:32 |
| oiaohm | No | Aug 04 03:32 |
| oiaohm | systemd has already made some of it own unique. | Aug 04 03:32 |
| MinceR | they've shown remarkable capability when it comes to fucking up. | Aug 04 03:32 |
| oiaohm | History of systemd copying I would not say we have to worry about them taking the errors from Windows. | Aug 04 03:33 |
| MinceR | it's a pity they're not interested in doing anythng else | Aug 04 03:33 |
| oiaohm | We have to worry about them taking stuff from Linux desktop envornments that are not properly audited and 100 percent depending on it. | Aug 04 03:33 |
| oiaohm | Ie DBUS to start off with. | Aug 04 03:33 |
| oiaohm | Basically you have the idea that systemd disater is coming from copying Windows. | Aug 04 03:35 |
| oiaohm | Most of systemd disaster comes from copying solaris.... Yet not making sure everything has solid foundations. | Aug 04 03:36 |
| MinceR | yet slowlaris doesn't do service management as pid1, it uses plain old init | Aug 04 03:37 |
| oiaohm | Like how many recent pulseaudio screw ups is that it depends on dbus to work so when it failed it end up loading twice. | Aug 04 03:37 |
| MinceR | i don't know if slowlaris does something like journald | Aug 04 03:37 |
| MinceR | or logind | Aug 04 03:37 |
| oiaohm | SMF starts in PID1 | Aug 04 03:37 |
| MinceR | that's not what i saw | Aug 04 03:37 |
| oiaohm | Depends on what version solaris MinceR | Aug 04 03:37 |
| MinceR | i saw an inittab instructing init to start and respawn SMF | Aug 04 03:37 |
| oiaohm | You can script start solaris. | Aug 04 03:37 |
| oiaohm | Or SMF start solaris. | Aug 04 03:38 |
| MinceR | so slowlaris went and fucked this up? | Aug 04 03:38 |
| oiaohm | SMF also contains a login manager. | Aug 04 03:38 |
| oiaohm | Yep solaris was first to do init and login manager as one solution. | Aug 04 03:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: windows does not even do that. | Aug 04 03:39 |
| oiaohm | This is my problem with you go systemd copying windows. That does not add up things they have copied are not from Windows. | Aug 04 03:39 |
| MinceR | does slowlaris also have binary logging? | Aug 04 03:42 |
| oiaohm | as option yes | Aug 04 03:42 |
| oiaohm | on by default in hardered solarias | Aug 04 03:42 |
| oiaohm | The perfect list of features is hardered solaris. | Aug 04 03:42 |
| oiaohm | SMF uses one of solaris own IPC in kernel. | Aug 04 03:43 |
| oiaohm | Yet systemd attempted to get by with a userspace IPC. | Aug 04 03:44 |
| MinceR | lol, "hardened" | Aug 04 03:44 |
| MinceR | no wonder slowlaris has a bad reputation | Aug 04 03:44 |
| oiaohm | But hardered solaris feature list is placed on governement supply contracts. | Aug 04 03:45 |
| oiaohm | I can see where redhat is coming from. | Aug 04 03:46 |
| oiaohm | They want to win more contracts. | Aug 04 03:46 |
| oiaohm | This is pushing some stupidity our direction. | Aug 04 03:46 |
| MinceR | then they should make the stuff the idiots in the government want | Aug 04 03:48 |
| MinceR | instead of killing other distros | Aug 04 03:48 |
| MinceR | and instead of poisoning gnu and linux | Aug 04 03:48 |
| MinceR | they should fork linux if they don't like its design | Aug 04 03:49 |
| MinceR | then they could put kdbus and whatever else in systemd-kernel | Aug 04 03:49 |
| MinceR | but no, they have to poison the well | Aug 04 03:49 |
| MinceR | they have to try and kill every free unix they have leverage on | Aug 04 03:49 |
| oiaohm | Now you are complain the right way. | Aug 04 03:50 |
| oiaohm | You had your complete base of source of problem wrong. | Aug 04 03:51 |
| oiaohm | But the problem you have here is what governements use they have a habit of insisting there citizens and companies use. | Aug 04 03:52 |
| oiaohm | Yes they have todo what government wants to a point. But we need it to be quality workman ship not slipshot like systemd has been and worrying about fixing up the issues latter. | Aug 04 03:53 |
| MinceR | the government doesn't want quality worksmanship | Aug 04 03:53 |
| MinceR | they want shitty systemd they can easily break into | Aug 04 03:53 |
| MinceR | they never think about the security of their own systems | Aug 04 03:54 |
| MinceR | they especially never think about the security of their own citizens | Aug 04 03:54 |
| MinceR | the nsa does jack shit to protect their own citizens | Aug 04 03:54 |
| MinceR | all they ever do is destroy | Aug 04 03:54 |
| oiaohm | Not me to a point. | Aug 04 03:55 |
| oiaohm | We need higher standards than what the government will ask for. | Aug 04 03:55 |
| MinceR | we do | Aug 04 03:55 |
| MinceR | redcrap won't ever. | Aug 04 03:55 |
| oiaohm | But we need to still do enough that the governement is use a form of our solution so we don't have compadilbity problems. | Aug 04 03:55 |
| MinceR | hackers making stuff for their own use do have high standards | Aug 04 03:56 |
| MinceR | that's what free software was built on | Aug 04 03:56 |
| MinceR | now it's being taken over by a company that doesn't care | Aug 04 03:56 |
| oiaohm | Its not a simple balancing act. | Aug 04 03:56 |
| MinceR | all they care about is appeasing their clients and especially a government that wants our systems to be broken. | Aug 04 03:56 |
| oiaohm | So we need more of redhat clients to ask for quality. | Aug 04 03:57 |
| oiaohm | To put presure on them. | Aug 04 03:57 |
| MinceR | we can't | Aug 04 03:57 |
| MinceR | corporate clients don't want quality, they love their m$ and crApple garbage | Aug 04 03:57 |
| oiaohm | And we need to not be a shot gun in our error complaints. | Aug 04 03:57 |
| MinceR | most customers are morons with no brains but lots of money | Aug 04 03:57 |
| oiaohm | like how many idividual faults track back to dbus. | Aug 04 03:57 |
| MinceR | that's why the IT industry is in its current state | Aug 04 03:57 |
| MinceR | that's why our mobile devices are shit | Aug 04 03:57 |
| oiaohm | Yet people talk about them as individual faults. | Aug 04 03:57 |
| MinceR | that's why the general purpose computer is dying out | Aug 04 03:58 |
| MinceR | that's why soon we'll have IoT devices acting as spam/DDoS zombies | Aug 04 03:58 |
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| DaemonFC | "Man, they're really getting their money's worth out of that song, aren't they? Isn't this the eighth time they played it? I'm in for the duration. Maybe another XBOX 360 will come to life and kill everyone." | Aug 04 04:16 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Aug 04 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | Just now · | Aug 04 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | The first firmware malware for Apple computers came out a long time ago. It's called iOS. | Aug 04 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | http://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-first-firmware-worm-for-mac-is-here-and-it-1721740928 | Aug 04 04:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gizmodo.com | The World's First Firmware Worm for Mac Is Here, and It Sounds Scary [ http://ur1.ca/ncjje ] | Aug 04 04:39 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/07/26/to-weed-out-protesters-at-last-nights-event-the-satanic-temple-had-attendees-transfer-their-souls-to-satan/ | Aug 04 04:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patheos.com | To Weed Out Protesters at Last Night’s Event, The Satanic Temple Had Attendees Transfer Their Souls to Satan [ http://ur1.ca/ncjmb ] | Aug 04 04:52 | |
| DaemonFC | I saw a thing on 4chan a while back. "I'm a Satanist. Ask me anything!". | Aug 04 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | First reply: "So, how is the eighth grade going?" | Aug 04 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.jwz.org/blog/2015/07/javascript-locking-and-sound-brought-to-you-by-the-letters-w-t-and-f/ | Aug 04 05:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jwz.org | jwz: Javascript, locking and sound, brought to you by the letters W, T and F [ http://ur1.ca/ncjrm ] | Aug 04 05:14 | |
| DaemonFC | "Oh, and speaking of sound: on iOS, you flat-out cannot play sound unless somewhere higher up on the call stack is a touch gesture. Asynchronous sounds can't be done using the HTML5 audio tag, because... Apple are dicks, I guess? I'm gonna go with that. So apparently there's a newer and completely separate audio interface with a way more convoluted API, and maybe that one works on iOS? But I haven't investigated, having at that point run | Aug 04 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | out of fucks due to the fact that I was starting to have ALSA versus OSS flashbacks and expecting it to tell me my EMU10K1 PCM setting was wrong." | Aug 04 05:14 |
| msb__ | "<oiaohm> Reality diversity in Linux Distrobutions has not existed properly for a long time." Not good, because nearly-identical distros will be subject to the same attacks, technical or political. "WellKnownOS was used to set off bomb that killed 100 people. It is now permanently banned." | Aug 04 05:44 |
| msb__ | Just like identical crops will fall to the same fungus. | Aug 04 05:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GParted 0.23.0 Open Source Partition Editor | Aug 04 06:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Adds Support for Setting New Btrfs UUID | Aug 04 06:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GParted 0.23.0 Open Source Partition Editor Adds Support for Setting New Btrfs UUID | Tux Machines | Aug 04 06:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Manjaro Community Proudly Presents The Release | Aug 04 06:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of Manjaro Linux 0.8.13.1 i3 Edition | Aug 04 06:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/i0v9zenOnX (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 06:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Manjaro Community Proudly Presents The Release of Manjaro Linux 0.8.13.1 i3 Edition | Tux Machines | Aug 04 06:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.10.85 LTS Brings Refinements to | Aug 04 06:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | EXT4, Btrfs, ARM, and XFS, Updated Drivers | Aug 04 06:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel 3.10.85 LTS Brings Refinements to EXT4, Btrfs, ARM, and XFS, Updated Drivers | Tux Machines | Aug 04 06:08 | |
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| -NickServ-schestowitz!~roy@host109-155-204-61.range109-155.btcentralplus.com has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) | Aug 04 06:21 | |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJxSP3LC9BA | Aug 04 06:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Little Nicky - Chicago played backwards - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nckbp ] | Aug 04 06:37 | |
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| schestowitz | "The silence at SUEPO is probably related to the summer holiday break in Munich (schools closed and people gone away on vacation etc.). So we guess that things are likely to be relatively quiet until September." | Aug 04 07:26 |
| schestowitz | -source | Aug 04 07:26 |
| schestowitz | "As far as we know, none of your sources have been compromised and we haven't heard anyone complaining about TechRights (apart from EPO management that is)." | Aug 04 07:26 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/aug/04/escaped-minion-stops-traffic-in-dublin | Aug 04 07:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | Escaped Minion stops traffic in Dublin | Film | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/nckv1 ] | Aug 04 07:51 | |
| DaemonFC | Banana!!!!! | Aug 04 07:51 |
| oiaohm | Could be worse DaemonFC | Aug 04 08:01 |
| oiaohm | I have to log out at some point to find what section of KDE plasma 5 is not closing again to make bug report. | Aug 04 08:02 |
| oiaohm | Found why I could not use vdpua under plasma its a run away part. | Aug 04 08:02 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android M news: Release date delayed, to come | Aug 04 09:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | out in September or October? | Aug 04 09:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/uoysEuiO20 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 09:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android M news: Release date delayed, to come out in September or October? | Tux Machines | Aug 04 09:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Review of Ubuntu Phone – A Work Still Under | Aug 04 09:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Progress http://t.co/7FNQ4Z7g8m | Aug 04 09:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Review of Ubuntu Phone – A Work Still Under Progress | Tux Machines | Aug 04 09:06 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New Linux Gaming Survey For August | Aug 04 09:37 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Linux Port Of Arma 3 Is "Promising" | Aug 04 09:37 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 'Secure' Boot — Fedora, RHEL, and Shim Upstream | Aug 04 09:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Maintenance http://t.co/2wOJ7Kq2U7 | Aug 04 09:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | The Linux Port Of Arma 3 Is "Promising" | GamingOnLinux | Aug 04 09:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.uncooperative.org | Secure Boot — Fedora, RHEL, and Shim Upstream Maintenance: Government Involvement or Lack Thereof - The Uncoöperative Organization | Aug 04 09:39 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Review of Ubuntu Phone – A Work Still Under | Aug 04 09:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Progress | Aug 04 09:53 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @Cipherhouse retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Review of Ubuntu Phone – A Work Still...' | Aug 04 09:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Stable kernel updates http://t.co/qI9NXYUj59 | Aug 04 09:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (lwn.net) http://t.co/pFmjUEFG4m | Aug 04 09:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) http://t.co/JNrAIhUpfo | Aug 04 09:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://mobilemag.com/2015/08/04/review-of-ubuntu-phone-a-work-still-under-progress/ ) | Aug 04 09:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lwn.net | Stable kernel updates [LWN.net] | Aug 04 09:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 3.14.49 LTS Has ARM64 and EXT4 Improvements, Many Updated Drivers - Softpedia | Aug 04 09:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 3.10.85 LTS Brings Refinements to EXT4, Btrfs, ARM, and XFS, Updated Drivers - Softpedia | Aug 04 09:54 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.engadget.com/2015/08/04/acer-aspire-one-cloudbook/ | Aug 04 10:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com | Acer Aspire One Cloudbook gives you a full Windows laptop for $169 [ http://ur1.ca/nclq8 ] | Aug 04 10:09 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @fatimahkabba favourited 'Stable kernel updates http://t.co/qI9NXYUj59 http://t.co/pFmjUEFG4m http://t.co/JNrAIhUpfo' | Aug 04 10:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AH Primetime: Bloatware? Android Fights Back | Aug 04 10:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | With Motorola | Aug 04 10:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/G8RiNMBFwe | Aug 04 10:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidheadlines.com | AH Primetime: Bloatware? Android Fights Back With Motorola | Androidheadlines.com | Aug 04 10:24 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines red hat CEO props up "cloud computing" | Aug 04 10:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/zWn5lQyjSE | Aug 04 10:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (upstart.bizjournals.com) | Aug 04 10:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-upstart.bizjournals.com | For Raleigh’s largest public company, Red Hat, future growth hangs in the cloud | Aug 04 10:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/cIHv4HWYJW (wraltechwire.com) | Aug 04 10:25 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wraltechwire.com | Red Hat's Whitehurst takes stage Aug 27; more regional events fill tech calendar :: Editor's Blog at WRAL TechWire | Aug 04 10:25 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Yesterday and Today in Techrights | Aug 04 10:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/q2PIgiycTY (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 10:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Yesterday and Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Aug 04 10:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "I'm giving a short update on how my works on | Aug 04 10:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Getting Things GNOME! have been progressing | Aug 04 10:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | recently." http://t.co/UoKC9kcOMj | Aug 04 10:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.jakubbrindza.com) | Aug 04 10:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jakubbrindza.com | How I am Getting Things GNOME!: More tests, locale, and timezones. Last week in a nutshell. | Aug 04 10:36 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Best new widgets for Android (August 2015) | Aug 04 10:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phonearena.com | Best new widgets for Android (August 2015) | Aug 04 10:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Parrot says you won’t be able to buy its new | Aug 04 10:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android Auto system as aftermarket product | Aug 04 10:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | after all http://t.co/NFDJXkGJ91 | Aug 04 10:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-9to5google.com | Parrot says you won’t be able to buy its new Android Auto system as aftermarket product after all | 9to5Google | Aug 04 10:36 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6424230 | Aug 04 10:40 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 04 10:40 |
| schestowitz | I can´t believe it. | Aug 04 10:40 |
| schestowitz | really? | Aug 04 10:40 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 04 10:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #vista10 not even a 'free' 'upgrade'... if you upgrade http://imgur.com/gallery/8OJ4t | Aug 04 10:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> imgur.com | Microsoft 10 will not permit re-installation if any hardware changes - Album on Imgur | Aug 04 10:40 | |
| schestowitz | Seems so. http://techrights.org/2015/08/04/cannot-upgrade-windows-10/ | Aug 04 10:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft Admits Vista 10 Not a ‘Free’ ‘Upgrade’, Especially If You Upgrade | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/ncm0b ] | Aug 04 10:41 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, You can change hardware. | Aug 04 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | If the base OS license (the one you upgraded over) was OEM, you can re-install Windows 10 and activate it unless you change the motherboard. | Aug 04 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | Changing other hardware usually doesn't upset anything. If it does, you can re-activate it. | Aug 04 10:53 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: depends on country. | Aug 04 10:53 |
| DaemonFC | You call an 800 number and read some numbers and letters, and then it gives you some to type in, and then Windows will activate itself again. | Aug 04 10:53 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: EULA of OEM does not have to allow you to change motherboard. | Aug 04 10:53 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I had a motherboard fail when I was using Windows 8.1. | Aug 04 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | I swapped the motherboard and it still re-activated. | Aug 04 10:54 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Note my words depends on country. | Aug 04 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | The license says that they don't have to, but it seems like they allow it. | Aug 04 10:54 |
| oiaohm | Its the countries laws if they allow it or not. | Aug 04 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | I'm in the United States. | Aug 04 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | The same thing happened to my dad on XP once. | Aug 04 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | It re-activated, even though it was a different motherboard. | Aug 04 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | Although, the automated system refused, he talked to a support agent at Microsoft and they gave him a re-activation code. | Aug 04 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | It seems like they're pretty lenient in practice. | Aug 04 10:57 |
| oiaohm | Have to be DaemonFC | Aug 04 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | The activation system is just there to discourage casual copying. | Aug 04 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | It only enforces the EULA that you already agreed to. | Aug 04 10:57 |
| oiaohm | USA laws don't allow hardware binding. | Aug 04 10:57 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/deusexstigma/status/628503553124896768 | Aug 04 10:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@deusexstigma: @schestowitz so many ads in my feed..I just troll em | Aug 04 10:57 | |
| oiaohm | When it was tested in court DaemonFC | Aug 04 10:57 |
| schestowitz | still waste of time, ups their "engagement" score | Aug 04 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | People used to buy one copy of Windows and install it on every computer in the house. That sort of thing. | Aug 04 10:57 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: same issue in Australia. | Aug 04 10:57 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/JDB10101/status/628504237694058496 | Aug 04 10:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JDB10101: @schestowitz Microsoft ... Bizes like Greedy One Percent GOP oligarch$ have been buying trends/laws for decades, it is marketing. #GOP #DNC | Aug 04 10:58 | |
| oiaohm | But not all people globally are that lucky DaemonFC | Aug 04 10:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android M news: Release date delayed, to come | Aug 04 10:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | out in September or October? | Aug 04 10:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/5bgSFt2liY (www.vinereport.com) | Aug 04 10:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vinereport.com | Android M news: Release date delayed, to come out in September or October? | Vine Reporter | Aug 04 10:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu MATE donates surplus funds to open | Aug 04 10:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | source projects http://t.co/LLx8oX7hSG | Aug 04 10:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.linuxveda.com) | Aug 04 10:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxveda.com | Ubuntu MATE donates surplus funds to open source projects - Linux Veda | Aug 04 10:59 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nucleus Software and Red Hat collaborate to | Aug 04 10:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | help Non-Banking Finance Companies shape the | Aug 04 10:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Future of Lending in India | Aug 04 10:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bobsguide.com | Nucleus Software and Red Hat collaborate to help Non-Banking Finance Companies shape the Future of... - bobsguide.com | Aug 04 10:59 | |
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| DaemonFC | The cheap Windows laptops are selling because Google crippled Chrome OS in certain ways. | Aug 04 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | Not being able to plug in a printer and print documents pisses me off. | Aug 04 11:04 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/628507417396015104 | Aug 04 11:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @schestowitz for your amusement: https://t.co/S2TzRsUlFG | Aug 04 11:08 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techdirt.com | Microsoft Launches Special 'Scott McNealy' Edition Of Windows | Techdirt | Aug 04 11:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Reproducible builds: week 14 in Stretch cycle | Aug 04 11:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/cXHj1pO3Mr (people.debian.org) | Aug 04 11:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://people.debian.org/%7Elunar/blog/posts/reproducible_builds_stretch_week_14/ ) | Aug 04 11:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open-spec motor control kit runs Linux on Zynq | Aug 04 11:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | SoC http://t.co/x4PJyI9xwK (linuxgizmos.com) | Aug 04 11:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Open-spec motor control kit runs Linux on Zynq SoC · LinuxGizmos.com | Aug 04 11:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 4.1.4 LTS Released with Numerous | Aug 04 11:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Updated Drivers, ARM64 Improvements | Aug 04 11:10 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 4.1.4 LTS Released with Numerous Updated Drivers, ARM64 Improvements - Softpedia | Aug 04 11:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Lollipop (Android 5.0, 5.1) is now installed on | Aug 04 11:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 18.1% of Android devices http://t.co/D5xuXVz4LL | Aug 04 11:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phonearena.com) http://t.co/dPqolDTka1 | Aug 04 11:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phonearena.com | Lollipop (Android 5.0, 5.1) is now installed on 18.1% of Android devices | Aug 04 11:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-phandroid.com | Android versions for August 2015: Lollipop now at 18.1% | Aug 04 11:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | (phandroid.com) | Aug 04 11:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncm8q | Aug 04 11:10 |
| schestowitz | me: Funny you say that. Literally an hour ago I thought about exactly this same analogy, having written this http://techrights.org/2015/07/30/fud-from-mary-branscombe/ | Aug 04 11:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Making the Case for Koha: Why Libraries Should | Aug 04 11:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Consider an Open Source ILS | Aug 04 11:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/209nE5xPyP (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 11:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncm8r | Aug 04 11:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft’s Mouthpiece Mary Branscombe Tries to Shoot Down Free Software, But Fails Miserably | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nb2fg ] | Aug 04 11:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Making the Case for Koha: Why Libraries Should Consider an Open Source ILS | Tux Machines | Aug 04 11:10 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Canonical Publishes Impressive Roadmap for All | Aug 04 11:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of Their Ubuntu Products http://t.co/y1EsHMmwp9 | Aug 04 11:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 11:10 |
| schestowitz | Free like free puppy | Aug 04 11:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncm8t | Aug 04 11:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical Publishes Impressive Roadmap for All of Their Ubuntu Products | Tux Machines | Aug 04 11:10 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/628508692086956032 | Aug 04 11:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @schestowitz we're obviously hurtling back to 1999... | Aug 04 11:13 | |
| schestowitz | now it's a talking point against proprietary software with data suckage and back doors | Aug 04 11:13 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Yesterday and Today in Techrights | Aug 04 11:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/ibu8AXF7QQ (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 11:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncmds | Aug 04 11:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Yesterday and Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Aug 04 11:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME Software Package Manager App Updated for | Aug 04 11:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | GNOME 3.16 to Fix Multiple Bugs | Aug 04 11:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/wsXJ3vWdAL (linux.softpedia.com) | Aug 04 11:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncmdu | Aug 04 11:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | GNOME Software Package Manager App Updated for GNOME 3.16 to Fix Multiple Bugs - Softpedia | Aug 04 11:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GParted 0.23.0 Open Source Partition Editor | Aug 04 11:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Adds Support for Setting New Btrfs UUID | Aug 04 11:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/74RhrnkAmX (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 04 11:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncmdv | Aug 04 11:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | GParted 0.23.0 Open-Source Partition Editor Adds Support for Setting New Btrfs UUID - Softpedia | Aug 04 11:28 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/mrumens/status/628514541962309632 | Aug 04 11:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mrumens: @schestowitz @PeterPyke Doesn't really matter since Microsoft no longer services XP. Despite this, I still use it. | Aug 04 11:39 | |
| schestowitz | This puts you at great personal risk. Consider adopting #gnu #linux on the same (existing) PC. | Aug 04 11:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Manjaro Community Proudly Presents The Release | Aug 04 11:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of Manjaro Linux 0.8.13.1 i3 Edition | Aug 04 11:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/x6F1d9T5W8 (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 04 11:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Manjaro Community Proudly Presents the Release of Manjaro Linux 0.8.13.1 i3 Edition - Softpedia | Aug 04 11:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CUDA 7.0 enabled programs for Fedora 22 | Aug 04 11:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/x6bJcs93JB (negativo17.org) | Aug 04 11:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncmgl | Aug 04 11:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-negativo17.org | CUDA 7.0 enabled programs for Fedora 22 | negativo17 | Aug 04 11:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 5 Android games with amazing graphics and | Aug 04 11:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | visuals http://t.co/N6xYJJTJ8j | Aug 04 11:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phonearena.com) | Aug 04 11:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phonearena.com | 5 Android games with amazing graphics and visuals | Aug 04 11:41 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncmgm | Aug 04 11:41 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/aug/03/privacy-smartphones-battery-life | Aug 04 11:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | How your smartphone's battery life can be used to invade your privacy | Technology | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/nch2e ] | Aug 04 11:45 | |
| schestowitz | == | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/08/03/17-years-reporter-exposed-echelon-finds-vindication-snowden-archive/ | Aug 04 11:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-firstlook.org | After 27 Years, Reporter Who Exposed ECHELON Finds Vindication in Snowden Archive [ http://ur1.ca/ncbda ] | Aug 04 11:45 | |
| schestowitz | - | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | old: | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | 30.Calls on the Commission and Member States to | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | promote software projects whose source text is made | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | public (open-source software), as this is the only way | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | of guaranteeing that no backdoors are built into | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | programmes; | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | 31.Calls on the Commission to lay down a standard | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | for the level of security of e-mail software packages, | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | placing those packages whose source code has not been | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | made public in the "least reliable" category; | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | 32. Calls on the European institutions and the public | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | administrations of the Member States systematically to | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | encrypt e-mails, so that ultimately encryption becomes | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | the norm; | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | 33. Calls on the Community institutions and the public | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | administrations of the Member States to provide | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | training for their staff and make their staff familiar | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | with new encryption technologies and techniques by | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | means of the necessary practical training and courses; | Aug 04 11:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+REPORT+A5-2001-0264+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN | Aug 04 11:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.europarl.europa.eu | Report on the existence of a global system for the interception of private and commercial communications (ECHELON interception system) - Temporary Committee on the ECHELON Interception System - A5-0264/2001 [ http://ur1.ca/ncmhj ] | Aug 04 11:45 | |
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| msb__ | schestowitz: "<schestowitz> [Using Windows XP] puts you at great personal risk." How? | Aug 04 11:51 |
| msb__ | People point at him and laugh? Loses 20IQ points? | Aug 04 11:53 |
| msb__ | Opens up a chronosynclastic infundibulum and sucks him down? | Aug 04 11:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Sony launches Xperia M5 and C5 Ultra Android | Aug 04 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | smartphones, with focus on perfect selfies | Aug 04 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/2uGQbsjiCP (thenextweb.com) | Aug 04 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncml8 | Aug 04 12:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenextweb.com | Sony launches Xperia M5 and C5 Ultra Android smartphones, with focus on perfect selfies | Aug 04 12:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Thursday night reception for LPC | Aug 04 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/iyO6UDtaEc (linuxplumbersconf.org) | Aug 04 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Plumbers Conference. | Aug 04 12:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxplumbersconf.org | Thursday night reception for LPC – | Aug 04 12:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncml9 | Aug 04 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "These are the top 5 flagships with | Aug 04 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | quick-charging batteries." | Aug 04 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/da2K12chWB (www.phonearena.com) | Aug 04 12:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phonearena.com | Zero to hero: 5 high-end Android smartphones with quick-charging batteries | Aug 04 12:00 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines DiRT Showdown Tested On Linux, Preview Port | Aug 04 12:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Report https://t.co/GYyGaHLa1B | Aug 04 12:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 04 12:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncmmt | Aug 04 12:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | DiRT Showdown Tested On Linux, Preview Port Report | GamingOnLinux | Aug 04 12:05 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines got exception: Unexpected end of ZLIB input stream ; reconnecting to Twitter... | Aug 04 12:05 | |
| DaemonFC | Color me shocked. | Aug 04 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft Edge's Flash Player screws up HBO Now. :P | Aug 04 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | Works fine in Chrome. | Aug 04 12:13 |
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| DaemonFC | Sprint wants me to buy a tablet computer from them. They say the 7" LG G Pad is "free" if I agree to get a data plan for two years. | Aug 04 12:24 |
| DaemonFC | The lowest data plan is $10 a month for 100 MB of mobile data. So, I could just use it on wifi, and it'd come out to $240 over two years. | Aug 04 12:24 |
| DaemonFC | Not sure if it's worth that much though. | Aug 04 12:24 |
| oiaohm | No way. | Aug 04 12:25 |
| oiaohm | 7 inch LG G pad I think is only 100 AUD. | Aug 04 12:25 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, I figured as much. | Aug 04 12:28 |
| DaemonFC | When Sprint says "free" it means make sure you still have your wallet. | Aug 04 12:28 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 04 12:28 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, they're hardly the worst about that. | Aug 04 12:28 |
| DaemonFC | For a long time, AT&T was slipping an extra $10 a month on every 4G LTE phone and calling it a "premium data surcharge". :) | Aug 04 12:29 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: no best price is 150 AUD | Aug 04 12:29 |
| oiaohm | So it a slightly more expensive one. | Aug 04 12:30 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, but that's Australian. | Aug 04 12:30 |
| oiaohm | Worst price is 589 | Aug 04 12:30 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.androidcentral.com/lg-g-pad-f-70-coming-sprint-customers-march-17-free-contract | Aug 04 12:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidcentral.com | LG G Pad F 7.0 coming to Sprint on March 17; free on contract | Android Central [ http://ur1.ca/ncmtf ] | Aug 04 12:30 | |
| oiaohm | Both of those prices are unlocked and planless | Aug 04 12:30 |
| DaemonFC | ", Sprint also says that it is running a limited promotion whereby customers can lease an LG G3 bundled with the tablet with unlimited talk, text, and 1GB of data for $90 per month." | Aug 04 12:31 |
| DaemonFC | Of course they are. The LG G3 isn't the current model. | Aug 04 12:31 |
| DaemonFC | Have to move those leftovers somehow. :) | Aug 04 12:31 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, Seems there's an older model. | Aug 04 12:32 |
| DaemonFC | The F7.0 has better specs. | Aug 04 12:33 |
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| DaemonFC | It wouldn't really be very useful. | Aug 04 12:35 |
| oiaohm | Depends on the G3 | Aug 04 12:36 |
| DaemonFC | I already have one of the best Android phones they make. | Aug 04 12:36 |
| oiaohm | Some G3 are more expensive than F70 | Aug 04 12:36 |
| DaemonFC | The tablet's screen is a little bigger, but the processor is slower, it has less RAM, the internal storage isn't great. | Aug 04 12:36 |
| oiaohm | The ones here are dual sim | Aug 04 12:36 |
| DaemonFC | Nah, Sprint wanted you to leave with the G3 and the F7.0 tablet. | Aug 04 12:36 |
| DaemonFC | Right now I'm on a Sprint Lease with the Galaxy S6. I don't have too many complaints about it. | Aug 04 12:37 |
| DaemonFC | It's fast. It's stable. It's packed with features. The battery life leaves a little to be desired, but it's not the worst on the market in that area. | Aug 04 12:37 |
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| DaemonFC | The flagship that chews through the battery the fastest this round is the iPhone 6. | Aug 04 12:38 |
| oiaohm | I guess the G3 duel sim is worthless on a sprint plan. | Aug 04 12:38 |
| DaemonFC | Probably to nobody's surprise. | Aug 04 12:38 |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC: normally I am a scavanger when it comes to phones. | Aug 04 12:39 |
| oiaohm | cyngonmod supporting phone a person does not want I take. | Aug 04 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, the S2 is really proving itself there. | Aug 04 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | You can run the latest CM on it, and it had a user replaceable battery. | Aug 04 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | Costs about $8 to swap the battery. | Aug 04 12:41 |
| DaemonFC | The newer phones have more bells and whistles though, obviously. | Aug 04 12:41 |
| DaemonFC | Faster processors, more RAM, better screen, wireless charging, wifi calling. | Aug 04 12:42 |
| DaemonFC | Tons of stuff. | Aug 04 12:42 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: With what I do I sometimes destory the phone. | Aug 04 12:42 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, so you really don't want an S6 if you might destroy it. | Aug 04 12:42 |
| DaemonFC | The base model starts out at like $650 I think. | Aug 04 12:42 |
| DaemonFC | There's rumor of a price cut coming. | Aug 04 12:42 |
| DaemonFC | That's to be expected I guess. | Aug 04 12:43 |
| DaemonFC | The used phone market is saturated. You can't really get anything out of your two year old phone because they're everywhere. | Aug 04 12:43 |
| DaemonFC | Plus, lower end Androids aren't as bad as they used to be. | Aug 04 12:43 |
| DaemonFC | When I got my old LG G2, the low end Androids were bad. Really bad. | Aug 04 12:44 |
| DaemonFC | Some still are, I guess. | Aug 04 12:44 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/David_Lally/status/628531847887212544 | Aug 04 12:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@David_Lally: @schestowitz That's quite a good point, I'd never thought of it quite that way before. Bravo. | Aug 04 12:47 | |
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| oiaohm | XRevan86: connection troubles? | Aug 04 13:06 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: Not quite. | Aug 04 13:07 |
| XRevan86 | oiaohm: New kernel update at the VPS. | Aug 04 13:07 |
| XRevan86 | Linux 4.1.4 | Aug 04 13:08 |
| DaemonFC` | I got a good deal on a used monitor but there's no cable. | Aug 04 13:18 |
| DaemonFC` | I bought a 6 foot DVI cable on ebay for $4. I'll just wait a few days and get it in the mail. Best Buy wants $20 for a freaking monitor cable, their cheapest brand. | Aug 04 13:19 |
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| DaemonFC | Well, I found a VGA cable, but no DVI-VGA adapter. If I can find one, it'll do in the meantime. I just don't like using VGA. The image is not as crisp, and colors can get a little bit off. | Aug 04 13:25 |
| DaemonFC | Damn it. I must have gotten 20 of those over the years every time I bought a video card, and now I can't find one anywhere. | Aug 04 13:27 |
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| cubexyz | Windows XP had the same problem Windows 2.0 had | Aug 04 14:09 |
| cubexyz | it was slow | Aug 04 14:09 |
| cubexyz | on the same machine Linux performed better | Aug 04 14:09 |
| MinceR | winblows had many more problems than that | Aug 04 14:12 |
| MinceR | including the lendows crowd's favorite feature, client side decorations | Aug 04 14:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @RamiSilawi RT @tuxmachines: Canonical Publishes Impressive | Aug 04 14:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #Roadmap for All of Their #Ubuntu Products | Aug 04 14:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/GDCmJGr6BR (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 04 14:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://twitter.com/RamiSilawi/status/628531133303533568 | Aug 04 14:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Canonical Publishes Impressive Roadmap for All of Their Ubuntu Products - Softpedia | Aug 04 14:17 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6425000 | Aug 04 14:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@harryhaller@nerdpol.ch: _at the CIA, the tail wagged the dog, that America’s real business was covert activities, not intelligence collecting and analysis_ [chalmers johnson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalmers_Johnson) "[sorrows of empire](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgnKZ5UgYS0)" CIA not NSA #usa #cia #empire #destabilisation #chalmersjohnson #sorrowofempire | Aug 04 14:17 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> en.wikipedia.org | Chalmers Johnson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/g2o8g ] | Aug 04 14:17 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com | The Sorrows of Empire - Chalmers Johnson - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/ncnml ] | Aug 04 14:17 | |
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| DaemonFC | cubexyz, Right after XP came out, it was just awful. | Aug 04 15:27 |
| DaemonFC | Lots of bug. LOTS of bugs. | Aug 04 15:27 |
| DaemonFC | Very slow. | Aug 04 15:27 |
| DaemonFC | Lots of apps just didn't work at all. | Aug 04 15:27 |
| DaemonFC | Remember those Application Compatibility Updates? | Aug 04 15:28 |
| cubexyz | not really | Aug 04 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft would release some shim packs to get software working on XP. | Aug 04 15:28 |
| cubexyz | I didn't really use XP very much | Aug 04 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | Most of the broken apps were written for Windows 9x, so they needed the shims. | Aug 04 15:28 |
| cubexyz | win2k was the last version I used to any great degree | Aug 04 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/319580 | Aug 04 15:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-support.microsoft.com | [ http://ur1.ca/nco88 ] | Aug 04 15:29 | |
| DaemonFC | There's an example of one. | Aug 04 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/308381 | Aug 04 15:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-support.microsoft.com | [ http://ur1.ca/nco8q ] | Aug 04 15:30 | |
| cubexyz | I prefer the control motif gives you over the windows API | Aug 04 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | https://bgr.com/2015/02/28/battery-draining-smartphone-apps-facebook/ | Aug 04 15:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com | Don’t use Facebook’s mobile app on your smartphone | BGR [ http://ur1.ca/nco9q ] | Aug 04 15:34 | |
| MinceR | Don't use Facebook | Aug 04 15:34 |
| MinceR | FTFY | Aug 04 15:34 |
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| cubexyz | the whole c:\ thing is silly | Aug 04 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | https://bgr.com/2015/08/03/windows-10-porn-screensaver/ | Aug 04 15:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com | Windows 10: Porn screensaver surprises man and his wife | BGR [ http://ur1.ca/ncoc4 ] | Aug 04 15:40 | |
| DaemonFC | "Posting on Reddit, a man detailed how he began the Windows 10 installation process at night before going to bed. Come the next morning, his wife woke him up asking why their computer’s screensaver was cycling through the man’s ostensibly private porn photo collection which, he later explained, included quite a few celebrity nudes." | Aug 04 15:41 |
| cubexyz | old | Aug 04 15:41 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: Why would anybody care? | Aug 04 15:41 |
| XRevan86 | I hardly can even call that an Шindows 10 issue. | Aug 04 15:42 |
| MinceR | shindows? | Aug 04 15:43 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: yup | Aug 04 15:44 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/bsod-microsoft-vista.jpg | Aug 04 15:53 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Time to reinstall Шindows. | Aug 04 15:55 |
| cubexyz | even Gates got the BSOD one time :) | Aug 04 15:55 |
| cubexyz | plug in the scanner and ...WHOA | Aug 04 15:55 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Win98 preview, yeah. | Aug 04 15:55 |
| XRevan86 | plug-n-die | Aug 04 15:56 |
| cubexyz | and the surface tablet did the same thing later on | Aug 04 15:56 |
| XRevan86 | dont-plug-yet-die-anyway | Aug 04 15:57 |
| MinceR | i think he got it more than one time | Aug 04 15:57 |
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| cubexyz | I think Minix runs, or at least can run device drivers in userspace | Aug 04 16:11 |
| cubexyz | most of these software crashes seem to be driver related | Aug 04 16:11 |
| MinceR | microkernels tend to be required to run device drivers in userspace | Aug 04 16:12 |
| MinceR | though even gnu/linux can run certain device drivers in userspace | Aug 04 16:12 |
| MinceR | (chiefly printer drivers and some usb device stuff) | Aug 04 16:12 |
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| cubexyz | there used to be a LKM for the scanner | Aug 04 16:15 |
| cubexyz | and there's one for using the parallel port | Aug 04 16:16 |
| cubexyz | the scanner LKM wasn't compatible with 2.6 kernels so I couldn't use it | Aug 04 16:19 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Windows pushed most of the drivers out to userspace a long time ago. | Aug 04 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | The sound and video drivers at least. | Aug 04 17:16 |
| MinceR | and the windowing system to the kernel | Aug 04 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | Your drivers can crash and it's not fatal if it happens. | Aug 04 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | On Linux, your system is just stuffed. | Aug 04 17:16 |
| MinceR | but feel free to wank about the 2 bits that are outside the kernel | Aug 04 17:16 |
| MinceR | strange, my system wasn't stuffed until poetteringware broke it | Aug 04 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | Either you get a frozen screen or you get kicked out to a console with some indecipherable crap. | Aug 04 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | Well, the quality of the open source AMD drivers is excellent lately, but it wasn't always so. | Aug 04 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | Just a few years ago, crashes were very common. | Aug 04 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | And you had to choose between slow drivers that were missing lots of important features, or the newer drivers that crashed more. | Aug 04 17:18 |
| MinceR | this is similar to m$ wanking about putting how the windowing system in the kernel makes it so zomg-fast | Aug 04 17:18 |
| MinceR | even though sawfish and usermode x easily beat it | Aug 04 17:18 |
| MinceR | (sawfish, which ran slow lisp code to put together its decorations) | Aug 04 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | Again, that wasn't always the case. | Aug 04 17:18 |
| MinceR | i'm tired of all the theoretical benefits to m$ "technology" that never manifest in practice | Aug 04 17:19 |
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| cubexyz | computers have been crashing due to overheating | Aug 04 17:57 |
| cubexyz | then it doesn't matter which OS you're using | Aug 04 17:57 |
| cubexyz | I remember this one motherboard that for some reason would gather dust inside the memory socket | Aug 04 17:57 |
| cubexyz | once a year I'd have to remove the DIMMs and clean the sockets | Aug 04 17:58 |
| cubexyz | some sort of electro-static effect I guess | Aug 04 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer How do you have Windows on a 16 GB SSD? Even if you turn off the page file, hibernation, etc., it still wouldn't fit. | Aug 04 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure that Acer will expand their assortment of crapware to erase whatever efficiency gains were made. Gotta make money somehow. I don't know how you sell a laptop with Windows for $169, and I don't think I want to, but I'm sure you'll get everything you're paying for. (Also, I'm on Windows 10 right now and the C:\Windows folder alone is 16.5 GB, and that doesn't even take anything else into account.) | Aug 04 18:06 |
| cubexyz | I'm running openbsd on a 7 gig hard drive | Aug 04 18:11 |
| cubexyz | but to make a comparison Unix version 5 could fit into a RK05 which is 2.5 megs | Aug 04 18:11 |
| cubexyz | so 16 gigs is no sweat | Aug 04 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-silently-uses-your-bandwidth-to-send-updates-to-others | Aug 04 18:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | Windows 10 silently uses your bandwidth to send updates to others | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/ncpv4 ] | Aug 04 18:12 | |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer So, Windows went from bordering on malware to actual malware. It hijacks your internet connection that you are paying for and makes you foot Microsoft's bandwidth bills. | Aug 04 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | Vernon E Parker III I wouldn't say silently since they did say this would be a part of how Windows would help speed up the windows update feature in most of their promotional materials. | Aug 04 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer And of course everyone would have read the Windows promotional materials... | Aug 04 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | Jason Fiore Ryan, the build you're using on your machine is not the same build that's on these low end devices. These are running the Windows 10 equivalent of "Windows 8.1 with Bing," a low-to-zero cost version of Windows specifically designed for these small devices. | Aug 04 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | Again, you're likely coming from the Windows 7 camp. Windows devices have been shipping with these specs for almost two years. | Aug 04 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer Well, granted I have no experience with the build you seem to be talking about, because in the one I'm using they even have two different control panels that interfere with one another, and two web browsers that I don't want to use. It's not eactly svelte. | Aug 04 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | I's more like Windows Multiple Personality Disorder Edition. | Aug 04 18:17 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 04 18:17 |
| cubexyz | tom's root boot was the most GNU/Linux you could get on 1 floppy disk | Aug 04 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, Microsoft has a long history of downplaying minimum system requirements. | Aug 04 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | Like Windows 95 on a 386 with 8 MB of RAM. | Aug 04 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | It depends on what your definition of is is. | Aug 04 18:19 |
| cubexyz | I remember that | Aug 04 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is also infamous for bugs that never should have made it out of the beta testing process. | Aug 04 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | No matter how many years go between releases. | Aug 04 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | In Windows Me, System Restore would back up malware so that it could be restored after your antivirus program removed it. | Aug 04 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | Then at one day that September, System Restore quit making restore points, and you had to use a hotfix to get it working again. | Aug 04 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, you have to apply a liberal definition of the word "working" because it frequently just broke your system even worse than before you ran it. | Aug 04 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | Anyone who has been around for a while knows the score by now. | Aug 04 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | It takes Microsoft so long to make a product work right that it's almost time to "upgrade" again. | Aug 04 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/08/0-day-bug-in-fully-patched-os-x-comes-under-active-exploit-to-hijack-macs/ | Aug 04 18:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | 0-day bug in fully patched OS X comes under active exploit to hijack Macs | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/ncq15 ] | Aug 04 18:30 | |
| DaemonFC | I guess it wasn't fully patched enough. | Aug 04 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | They'd better fully patch it some more. | Aug 04 18:30 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 04 18:33 |
| MinceR | It Just Needs More Work(tm) | Aug 04 18:33 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Re: Facebook. I try not to use mobile apps if there's a website that I can load in Firefox just as easily. | Aug 04 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | Having the app in some cases is just a stupid waste of storage space, and the whole reason they want you to use the app is so they can gather data about you from your phone. | Aug 04 19:13 |
| abeNd-org | and you dont have to keep turning off 20 notifations each time a new version of the app is downloaded | Aug 04 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | Oh, don't you hate that? | Aug 04 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | 50 notifications telling you about each app it jsut updated. | Aug 04 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | Who gives a shit? God damn. Go away! You know? :P | Aug 04 19:20 |
| abeNd-org | that, & it seems like each time you update an app, it resets the app's notifications, so you start getting all the annoying groupon/facebook/whatever notifications again | Aug 04 19:20 |
| abeNd-org | and yeah, just update the apps silently in the background, i dont need to be told app X updated however many times this week, especially if im on the beta ring for it | Aug 04 19:22 |
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| DaemonFC | http://mashable.com/2015/08/04/os-x-flaw-adware-mac/ | Aug 04 19:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mashable.com | Hackers are exploiting an OS X flaw to install unwanted adware [ http://ur1.ca/ncqob ] | Aug 04 19:37 | |
| DaemonFC | Facebook is about the chattiest app there is. | Aug 04 19:38 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/628569865109028864 | Aug 04 19:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: As it does not support creation of encrypted drives, #GParted will not become the Swiss Army Knife for disk creation https://t.co/tEOTffKURt | Aug 04 19:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #GParted 0.23.0 Open Source Partition Editor Adds Support for Setting New Btrfs UUID http://t.co/MKrCezjNQ2 | Aug 04 19:58 | |
| schestowitz | [18:30] <DaemonFC> I guess it wasn't fully patched enough. | Aug 04 19:59 |
| abeNd-org | http://forums.techsoup.org/cs/community/b/tsblog/archive/2015/08/04/7-things-nonprofits-should-know-as-millennials-take-over-the-world.aspx ahahaaaha - Millennials will make up as much as 75 percent of the U.S. workforce by 2025. - this person assumes millennials actually want to work | Aug 04 19:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.techsoup.org | 7 Things Nonprofits Should Know As Millennials Take Over the World [ http://ur1.ca/ncqve ] | Aug 04 19:59 | |
| schestowitz | Must wait till NSA finds another bug doors | Aug 04 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Then Apple can 'patch' this one | Aug 04 19:59 |
| schestowitz | abeNd-org: they do | Aug 04 20:00 |
| abeNd-org | I am sure there are some that do, but most are just "entitled" & "deserve" everything for free | Aug 04 20:01 |
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| MinceR | DaemonFC: also, dumbFuckBook will use every bit of information they know about you, against you | Aug 04 20:11 |
| MinceR | and they'll also hand it over to micro$oft and the nsa. | Aug 04 20:11 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/628644295218589697 | Aug 04 20:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Sound worse than eBola ! | Aug 04 20:11 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, They parodied Facebook in GTA V. | Aug 04 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | They called it LifeInvader. | Aug 04 20:12 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 04 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | Your guy had to go on a mission to put a bomb in Mark Zuckerberg's phone. | Aug 04 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | To blow his head off on the evening news. | Aug 04 20:13 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 04 20:14 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: fuckerbuck | Aug 04 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, I loved that game. | Aug 04 20:14 |
| schestowitz | !google zuckerberg sweats youtube | Aug 04 20:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Mark Zuckerberg Sweats About Privacy Issues On ... - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DdmYzjjSfT8s | Aug 04 20:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - D8 Interview Video: Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DG4XGbZ7IrC8 | Aug 04 20:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Mark Zuckerberg gets hot under the collar over your ... - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dit2yjVeqEHQ | Aug 04 20:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Mark Zuckerberg Sweats and Distracts When Asked ... - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DuANQCptsugg | Aug 04 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | I liked the last mission, where you rob the Federal Reserve. | Aug 04 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | Actually, I liked all of the missions. | Aug 04 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | I was reading Jamie Zawinski's blog out of boredom. | Aug 04 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | He posted an article from the late 1990s about how skaters would show up with power tools and rip out the anti-skating fixtures from sidewalks and parking lots and stuff. | Aug 04 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | I wish people would start doing that to homeless spikes. | Aug 04 20:21 |
| MinceR | give the poor spikes a home! | Aug 04 20:25 |
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| abeNd-org | yes, put them on the US/MX border | Aug 04 20:33 |
| schestowitz | cubexyz: https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/628649444901154816 | Aug 04 20:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: Garbage [in]---> (version +1)---> [out] Garbage (+ new bugs 10^11) https://t.co/R3QgBWeTvE | Aug 04 20:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #vista10 is like going 9 years into the past http://t.co/xPqymjPoe7 | Aug 04 20:33 | |
| abeNd-org | & handle the homeless problem with compassion.... however that will only help with some, as a goodly portion of the homeless have mental issues & that needs to be handled differently | Aug 04 20:33 |
| schestowitz | [11:04] <DaemonFC> The cheap Windows laptops are selling because Google crippled Chrome OS in certain ways. | Aug 04 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Install Linux on them | Aug 04 20:34 |
| schestowitz | works OK | Aug 04 20:34 |
| schestowitz | though you might have to tweak croûton a bit to start CUPS | Aug 04 20:35 |
| schestowitz | took me a while to set up | Aug 04 20:35 |
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| schestowitz | for the wife, DaemonFC | Aug 04 20:35 |
| schestowitz | it's not an issue | Aug 04 20:35 |
| schestowitz | so long as you use the freedom of chromebooks | Aug 04 20:35 |
| schestowitz | to install another OS | Aug 04 20:35 |
| schestowitz | [10:09] <DaemonFC> http://www.engadget.com/2015/08/04/acer-aspire-one-cloudbook/ | Aug 04 20:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com | Acer Aspire One Cloudbook gives you a full Windows laptop for $169 [ http://ur1.ca/nclq8 ] | Aug 04 20:36 | |
| schestowitz | Spying machine, underpowered | Aug 04 20:36 |
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| DaemonFC | Yeah. 2 GB of RAM is really bad. Probably soldered too, like my Chromebook. | Aug 04 20:38 |
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| cubexyz | to me the main advantage of a chomebook is coreboot | Aug 04 20:40 |
| cubexyz | older chromebooks did not have the memory soldered to the motherboard | Aug 04 20:42 |
| cubexyz | Acer C710 is upgradeable | Aug 04 20:43 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Yesterday and Today in Techrights | Aug 04 20:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by http://t.co/ibu8AXF7QQ (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 20:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz | Aug 04 20:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncrat | Aug 04 20:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Announcing the shutdown of the Ada Initiative | Aug 04 20:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/HhsRRfxHyp (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 20:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Yesterday and Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Aug 04 20:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ncrav | Aug 04 20:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Announcing the shutdown of the Ada Initiative | Tux Machines | Aug 04 20:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Personal Will Have Unity 8 and Mir by | Aug 04 20:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Default and Will Run X Legacy Apps | Aug 04 20:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Personal Will Have Unity 8 and Mir by Default and Will Run X Legacy Apps | Tux Machines | Aug 04 20:48 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2015/08/04/apple-stock-implosion-billions/31110665/ | Aug 04 21:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.usatoday.com | Apple stock implosion shreds $113.4B [ http://ur1.ca/ncri4 ] | Aug 04 21:08 | |
| schestowitz | LOL | Aug 04 21:11 |
| schestowitz | wardrobe malfunction | Aug 04 21:11 |
| schestowitz | NSFW: https://twitter.com/pimpjuicewow/status/628653287470944256 | Aug 04 21:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pimpjuicewow: Lenny Kravitz's dick says "hey, wsup, hello!" on stage 🎥 http://t.co/2I0PTCpc82 | Aug 04 21:11 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dorseyshaw: This GIF of Lenny Kravitz's penis popping out of his leather pants is kinda relaxing tbh http://t.co/RDCgSXAUBm | Aug 04 21:11 | |
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| DaemonFC | https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/Dn594399.aspx?f=255&MSPPError=-2147217396 | Aug 04 21:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-technet.microsoft.com | Windows Image File Boot (WIMBoot) Overview [ http://ur1.ca/ncrjm ] | Aug 04 21:13 | |
| DaemonFC | Apparently, that's how they're getting Windows on a 16 GB SSD. | Aug 04 21:13 |
| schestowitz | ewww https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CLlUhZwWcAAWLKq.mp4 | Aug 04 21:14 |
| schestowitz | this is what everyone talks about right now | Aug 04 21:14 |
| schestowitz | no underwear | Aug 04 21:14 |
| schestowitz | he thinks he;s tarzan | Aug 04 21:14 |
| MinceR | humanity is headed back into barbarism | Aug 04 21:15 |
| MinceR | welcome to the new dark age | Aug 04 21:15 |
| schestowitz | can't unsee that | Aug 04 21:17 |
| schestowitz | anyway, people online share this as if, like it's fappening | Aug 04 21:17 |
| schestowitz | but it's only treated as abusive when that's done to females | Aug 04 21:18 |
| MinceR | that's the wonderful world of the SIW-s (Social Injustice Warriors) | Aug 04 21:19 |
| MinceR | trying to make a right out of two wrongs | Aug 04 21:19 |
| MinceR | and if that fails, trying to make a right out of three wrongs | Aug 04 21:19 |
| MinceR | etc. | Aug 04 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Third wave feminism bullshit. | Aug 04 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 04 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | If the facts don't support them they make something up. | Aug 04 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | All men are pigs. | Aug 04 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | Women are the victim of everything. | Aug 04 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | One of their big things is the "pay gap" myth that just won't die. | Aug 04 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | They even got the president to repeat it for them in the SOTU address in 2013. | Aug 04 21:23 |
| MinceR | the "president" is just a mouthpiece for his owners anyway | Aug 04 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I voted for him twice. | Aug 04 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | That's how the two party system gets you. | Aug 04 21:24 |
| MinceR | yup | Aug 04 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | I think schestowitz said he doesn't vote. | Aug 04 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | Not voting is voting, in a sense. | Aug 04 21:27 |
| MinceR | hardly | Aug 04 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | I agree with Richard Stallman about Bernie Sanders though. | Aug 04 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to vote for him in the primary next year, but there's the Clinton machine. | Aug 04 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | The banksters will unload practically unlimited money on her. | Aug 04 21:28 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Bodhi Linux 3.1.0 Pre Invites Users to Test the | Aug 04 21:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | New Moksha Desktop Environment | Aug 04 21:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Bodhi Linux 3.1.0 Pre Invites Users to Test the New Moksha Desktop Environment | Tux Machines | Aug 04 21:42 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open source Chromecast competitor, Matchstick, | Aug 04 21:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | is dead http://t.co/3HHmwtyo0I | Aug 04 21:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 21:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open source Chromecast competitor, Matchstick, is dead | Tux Machines | Aug 04 21:42 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Debian Finally Moves to GCC 5 | Aug 04 21:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian Finally Moves to GCC 5 | Tux Machines | Aug 04 21:49 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AMD is working on a new Linux graphics driver | Aug 04 21:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to catch up with Nvidia http://t.co/iWGp6mM41O | Aug 04 21:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AMD is working on a new Linux graphics driver to catch up with Nvidia | Tux Machines | Aug 04 21:49 | |
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| msb__ | DaemonFC: Sanders will never win. Primaries will be rigged or he will be murdered. | Aug 04 22:03 |
| msb__ | Or maybe the huge flood of propaganda will succeed. | Aug 04 22:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Raspberry Jams bring Pi enthusiasts together | Aug 04 22:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/0aTPBKgmcw (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 22:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Raspberry Jams bring Pi enthusiasts together | Tux Machines | Aug 04 22:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AMD is working on a new Linux graphics driver | Aug 04 22:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to catch up with Nvidia http://t.co/n1mTrtZCUG | Aug 04 22:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com | AMD is working on a new Linux graphics driver to catch up with Nvidia | PCWorld | Aug 04 22:05 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Raspberry Jams bring Pi enthusiasts together | Aug 04 22:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/8mKN9fQVmX (opensource.com) | Aug 04 22:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com | Raspberry Jams bring Pi enthusiasts together | Opensource.com | Aug 04 22:05 | |
| DaemonFC | msb__, They are pulling out all the stops. | Aug 04 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | The New York Times is even in on it. | Aug 04 22:06 |
| msb__ | The NYT is _always_ in on it. | Aug 04 22:06 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: watch these two RT shows: | Aug 04 22:09 |
| msb__ | http://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/270793-new-cold-war-conflict/ | Aug 04 22:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | Cold war redux (featuring Chris Hedges) RT — CrossTalk [ http://ur1.ca/ncs5u ] | Aug 04 22:09 | |
| msb__ | http://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/310643-ukraine-chaos-western-media/ | Aug 04 22:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | Watching media RT — CrossTalk [ http://ur1.ca/ncs68 ] | Aug 04 22:09 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/628674059291619328 | Aug 04 22:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: DOES HE REALLY NEED SOME? https://t.co/6uT1Rk6zsR | Aug 04 22:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Putting Lipstick on a Penguin http://t.co/FCAjvuPeml #gnu #linux #desktop | Aug 04 22:12 | |
| cubexyz | one thing I noticed with openbsd regarding KDE 3.5.10 | Aug 04 22:15 |
| cubexyz | you can install kdelibs and kdeutils (or other parts) without installing kdebase | Aug 04 22:15 |
| cubexyz | that greatly cuts down the amount of file space required | Aug 04 22:15 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE dot org Redesign https://t.co/R6VAJfIHkD | Aug 04 22:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (kver.wordpress.com) | Aug 04 22:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kver.wordpress.com | KDE.org Redesign | Ken Vermette | Aug 04 22:16 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Unity 8 And KDE May Coexist On The Future | Aug 04 22:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Versions Of The Ubuntu Desktop | Aug 04 22:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/fZTA0zhRtK (linuxg.net) | Aug 04 22:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net | Unity 8 And KDE May Coexist On The Future Versions Of The Ubuntu Desktop | LinuxG.net | Aug 04 22:16 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Putting Lipstick on a Penguin | Aug 04 22:16 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/BrJ0nWnNFc (fossforce.com) | Aug 04 22:16 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | Putting Lipstick on a Penguin | FOSS Force | Aug 04 22:16 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines saw that tweet by @tuxmachines too | Aug 04 22:19 | |
| msb__ | RT just did a story about their reporter going to US State Dept and asking what is legal justification for US attacking Syrian military. Spokesman could not answer. | Aug 04 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/628680988999217152 | Aug 04 22:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: If I had to use #wordpress I wouldn't host it myself. Let someone else take responsibility for backups & updates. https://t.co/Zf4773Nl7s | Aug 04 22:41 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: All my #wordpress sites finally up to date. Anyone who has a WordPress site ought to patch ASAP. #security #cms #freesw | Aug 04 22:41 | |
| schestowitz | That would make one sensitive to DMCA censorship and many other issues | Aug 04 22:41 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/628682802293248000 | Aug 04 22:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: Then don't use #wordpress. #worstSoftwareEver https://t.co/w4ddBeul3g | Aug 04 22:44 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @qu1j0t3 That would make one sensitive to DMCA censorship and many other issues | Aug 04 22:44 | |
| schestowitz | very good software | Aug 04 22:45 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines HPLIP Vulnerability Closed in Ubuntu OSes | Aug 04 22:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | HPLIP Vulnerability Closed in Ubuntu OSes | Tux Machines | Aug 04 22:51 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tanglu 3 (Chromodoris willani) released! | Aug 04 22:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tanglu 3 (Chromodoris willani) released! | Tux Machines | Aug 04 22:54 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines saw that retweet of @tuxmachines by @iArthurCDN too | Aug 04 22:54 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @iArthurCDN favourited 'Debian Finally Moves to GCC 5 http://t.co/Av0GORtTsz' | Aug 04 23:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Debian Finally Moves to GCC 5 - Softpedia | Aug 04 23:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Xfce: Seven Reasons It's Popular | Aug 04 23:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/ZCGXIiSY56 (www.datamation.com) | Aug 04 23:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datamation.com | Xfce: Seven Reasons It's Popular - Datamation | Aug 04 23:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Point Linux 3.0 (Agni) http://t.co/cnfTBs7jrA | Aug 04 23:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. | Aug 04 23:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LibreOffice 5: The best office suite today | Aug 04 23:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by won't cost you a dime http://t.co/PJceLXq6qd | Aug 04 23:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @iArthurCDN (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 04 23:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice 5: The best office suite today won't cost you a dime | Tux Machines | Aug 04 23:09 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 4/8/2015: http://t.co/KkESzmXmIf | Aug 04 23:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.kde.org) Redesign, Point Linux 3.0 | Aug 04 23:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/S0Eixp7Xg3 (techrights.org) | Aug 04 23:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kde.org | KDE - Experience Freedom! | Aug 04 23:48 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 4/8/2015: KDE.org Redesign, Point Linux 3.0 | Techrights | Aug 04 23:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora: The Latest http://t.co/kvr2f24TtB | Aug 04 23:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora: The Latest | Tux Machines | Aug 04 23:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat News http://t.co/c2CjCG1Pyc | Aug 04 23:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat News | Tux Machines | Aug 04 23:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: KDE/Qt http://t.co/8MGoso9F5b | Aug 04 23:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: KDE/Qt | Tux Machines | Aug 04 23:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/GaSK7cBrcB | Aug 04 23:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Aug 04 23:49 | |
| MinceR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhBdPx53pfQ | Aug 05 00:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Apple Fanboys LOVE Android - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nct6h ] | Aug 05 00:00 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/annejanbrouwer/status/628837983198822400 | Aug 05 09:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@annejanbrouwer: @schestowitz that's sad will probably get more new peeps to never find IRC and stick with the walled gardens of #slack | Aug 05 09:04 | |
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| *Now talking on #techrights | Aug 05 09:42 | |
| *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell | Aug 05 09:42 | |
| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Aug 05 09:42 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/628857180423364611 https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/628857320043376640 | Aug 05 10:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz I wonder why you make such a fuzz about sth that I stated upfront. http://t.co/pjPlQr9XWj is a Red Hat project. (1/2) | Aug 05 10:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> OpenSource.com | Open source is changing the world: join the movement | Opensource.com | Aug 05 10:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz We never claimed otherwise. We were open about that from day 1. (2/2) | Aug 05 10:19 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, but recently it has been full of Red Hat jingoism and it's treated by Google as "news" | Aug 05 10:20 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/628857528793866240 | Aug 05 10:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz soon even more ;-) I'm writing my review for http://t.co/pjPlQr9XWj as we tweet :-) | Aug 05 10:20 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/628861319324766208 | Aug 05 10:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz seems open source SEO is a thing ;-) We should make a startup out if that!1!! | Aug 05 10:35 | |
| schestowitz | don't interpret my comments as #redhat bashing, just a criticism in favour of independent media | Aug 05 10:36 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=EXWM-Window-Manager | Aug 05 11:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | EXWM: Turning Emacs Into An X Window Manager - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/ncybq ] | Aug 05 11:19 | |
| oiaohm | Just when you think emacs is overloaded enough. | Aug 05 11:19 |
| oiaohm | Someone adds more. | Aug 05 11:19 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/628906811941326848 | Aug 05 13:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: LibreOffice 5.0 stands out from the office suite crowd @ruskin147 @schestowitz https://t.co/vmmQUXi4it | Aug 05 13:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blog.documentfoundation.org | LibreOffice 5.0 stands out from the office suite crowd | Aug 05 13:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6424863 | Aug 05 14:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #UbuntuTouch Support Will Be Provided for as Long as Technically Possible http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-touch-support-will-be-provided-as-long-as-technically-possible-488449.shtml #ubuntu #linux | Aug 05 14:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch Support Will Be Provided for as Long as Technically Possible - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/nczmg ] | Aug 05 14:16 | |
| schestowitz | "HAH, I’ll believe it when I see it. For the meantime I’ll be rolling on with Android + F-droid minus google spyware." | Aug 05 14:16 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/launchderp/status/628945158952726528 | Aug 05 16:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@launchderp: @schestowitz That’s a big fat nooooooooooooope. | Aug 05 16:16 | |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer · | Aug 05 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | AT&T isn't really that much better than Sprint. They only scored like 2 points higher for overall reliability in the fourth quarter of 2014, but switch from Sprint to AT&T and use the same amount of data and your bill might go up from $75 with Sprint to $120-130 with AT&T. I looked into it a while back and decided to stay with Sprint on the Best Buy One plan with the Galaxy S6 lease. | Aug 05 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | No unlimited data on AT&T. Also, Sprint stopped throttling right after the Federal Communications Commission told the carriers to knock it off. AT&T kept on doing it and got a fine of more than $100 million. Now AT&T is suing the FCC to protect their right to degrade your service instead of building out their network. | Aug 05 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | AT&T is also responsible for a lot of graft and corruption in our government, since they spend a lot of your money bribing elected officials instead of building out their network. They're a really awful company. They haven't changed at all since the 1990s, when they were actively taking part in those 1-900 number scams. I refuse to do business with them at all. | Aug 05 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | It's amazing how many people complain about AT&T and sign up with them for another two years anyway. Well, they *are* basically an iPhone carrier, so when their network isn't going nuts, your phone probably is. *grin* | Aug 05 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2015/06/10/fappening-link-to-hundreds-of-icloud-attacks/ | Aug 05 16:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com | 'Fappening' Celebrity Nude Leak Suspect Linked To 572 iCloud Hacks - Forbes [ http://ur1.ca/nd0nh ] | Aug 05 16:25 | |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Aug 05 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | 1 min · Edited · | Aug 05 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | Nice! | Aug 05 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | Nice! Now if he could just do something about the "right to life" shock jocks that post pictures of aborted fetuses on Facebook. Who wants to see that shit? Purely for shock and awe. The yuck factor. These people are nuts and assholes. | Aug 05 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | http://bit.ly/Facebook-stands-with-PP | Aug 05 16:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.lifenews.com | Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg Donates $992 Million to Charity Funding Planned Parenthood | LifeNews.com | Aug 05 16:34 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.zdnet.com/article/libreoffice-5-the-best-office-suite-today-wont-cost-you-a-dime/ | Aug 05 17:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | LibreOffice 5: The best office suite today won't cost you a dime | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/ncs1u ] | Aug 05 17:05 | |
| DaemonFC | Time to upgrade. | Aug 05 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | There's a 64-bit Windows version now... | Aug 05 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox is still taking their sweet time, even though out of memory is still their biggest crash on Windows, for like the sixth year in a row, due to the release version still only being 32-bit. | Aug 05 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | You can use 64-bit Firefox, but you have to be on at least the beta channel right now. | Aug 05 17:07 |
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| cubexyz | kind of funny but not really: | Aug 05 17:25 |
| cubexyz | This just beats all! I picked up a gallon of apple juice at our local grocery, and on the side of the jug it says, 'Contains Concentrate from China'. Huh? What the heck! America can't even bottle their own apple juice any more? | Aug 05 17:26 |
| abeNd-org | cubexyz: sadly not | Aug 05 17:38 |
| abeNd-org | it is scary how much food we import from .ch & .mx completely unchecked | Aug 05 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | cubexyz, If you have some vodka on hand, you can make yourself an Anita Bryant. | Aug 05 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 05 17:48 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6428378 | Aug 05 17:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #DebConf15 , the Annual #Debian Conference, Announced for August 15-22 in Germany http://news.softpedia.com/news/debconf15-the-annual-debian-conference-announced-for-august-15-22-in-germany-488519.shtml | Aug 05 17:49 | |
| schestowitz | "Why are you posting all softpedia links ? Promoting softpedia … agreed that its one dent plays for windows apps …wonder why would linux users bother about the linux version of softpedia ?" | Aug 05 17:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com | DebConf15, the Annual Debian Conference, Announced for August 15-22 in Germany - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/nd1ds ] | Aug 05 17:49 | |
| schestowitz | Softpedia news is dominated by Linux/BSD news these days | Aug 05 17:49 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6429062 | Aug 05 17:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: EXWM: Turning Emacs Into An X Window Manager http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=EXWM-Window-Manager #gnu #emacs #exwm | Aug 05 17:50 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 05 17:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.phoronix.com | EXWM: Turning Emacs Into An X Window Manager - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/ncybq ] | Aug 05 17:50 | |
| schestowitz | That was the missing functionality in Emacs that everybody has been waiting for … At least I can choose whether to use Emacs or not, unlike systemd. | Aug 05 17:50 |
| schestowitz | That reminds me: when is systemd having to have an X Window Manager? | Aug 05 17:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 05 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Patience is a virtue... | Aug 05 17:50 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6429214 | Aug 05 17:50 |
| schestowitz | "exactly- the ‘I’m alright Jack, pull the ladder up’ attitude has to go" | Aug 05 17:50 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/wMayu9aIkO | Aug 05 18:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 05 18:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz | Aug 05 18:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux Machines | Aug 05 18:35 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Google v Oracle case is getting about as | Aug 05 18:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | laggy as those old Android devices! | Aug 05 18:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/KCrOyeeeTj (www.linuxveda.com) | Aug 05 18:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxveda.com | The Google v Oracle case is getting about as laggy as those old Android devices! - Linux Veda | Aug 05 18:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android TV FAQ: Everything you need to know | Aug 05 18:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | about Android for your living room | Aug 05 18:43 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.greenbot.com | Android TV FAQ: Everything you need to know about Android for your living room | Greenbot | Aug 05 18:43 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Parrot quietly cancels highly anticipated, | Aug 05 18:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android-powered RNB6 car stereo | Aug 05 18:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/dJjuaJYGBW (www.cnet.com) | Aug 05 18:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnet.com | Parrot quietly cancels highly anticipated, Android-powered RNB6 car stereo - CNET | Aug 05 18:43 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android One reaches Thailand with the i-mobile | Aug 05 18:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gsmarena.com | Android One reaches Thailand with the i-mobile IQ II - GSMArena.com news | Aug 05 18:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines UK Government Squirming To Escape Being Crushed | Aug 05 18:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | By Non-FREE Software Licences | Aug 05 18:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | UK Government Squirming To Escape Being Crushed By Non-FREE Software Licences | Tux Machines | Aug 05 18:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Black Lab Enterprise Linux 6.6 Released | Aug 05 18:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Black Lab Enterprise Linux 6.6 Released | Tux Machines | Aug 05 18:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Here's proof that Apple fanboys actually adore | Aug 05 18:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Android http://t.co/jRp4O3WoNJ | Aug 05 18:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Here's proof that Apple fanboys actually adore Android | Tux Machines | Aug 05 18:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Erle-Spider Is a Six-Legged Drone Powered by | Aug 05 18:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu Snappy Core http://t.co/aWtHo29Gh6 | Aug 05 18:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Erle-Spider Is a Six-Legged Drone Powered by Ubuntu Snappy Core | Tux Machines | Aug 05 18:59 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines More Oxide Security Issues Have Been Fixed in | Aug 05 18:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu 15.04 and Ubuntu 14.04 LTS | Aug 05 18:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | More Oxide Security Issues Have Been Fixed in Ubuntu 15.04 and Ubuntu 14.04 LTS | Tux Machines | Aug 05 18:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora 22 release event in Pune | Aug 05 18:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kushaldas.in | Fedora 22 release event in Pune | Aug 05 18:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Who says Linux isn’t good for gaming? It’s got | Aug 05 19:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | a Steam exclusive now! http://t.co/KuhhQyI4SL | Aug 05 19:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxveda.com | Who says Linux isn't good for gaming? It's got a Steam exclusive now! - Linux Veda | Aug 05 19:00 | |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @stefanmathez favourited 'Who says Linux isn’t good for gaming? It’s...' | Aug 05 19:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora developer portal http://t.co/0jlRrFOuXH | Aug 05 19:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (phracek.livejournal.com) | Aug 05 19:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-phracek.livejournal.com | phracek: Fedora developer portal | Aug 05 19:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Homefront: The Revolution Still Coming To | Aug 05 19:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux, New Trailer & Details Emerge | Aug 05 19:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Homefront: The Revolution Still Coming To Linux, New Trailer & Details Emerge | GamingOnLinux | Aug 05 19:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Interview With The Developers Of Cossacks 3, | Aug 05 19:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Which Is Coming To Linux | Aug 05 19:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Interview With The Developers Of Cossacks 3, Which Is Coming To Linux | GamingOnLinux | Aug 05 19:06 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6429006 | Aug 05 19:33 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 05 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Sorry, there are… | Aug 05 19:33 |
| schestowitz | sudo apt-add-repository ppa:libreoffice/ppa | Aug 05 19:33 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 05 19:33 |
| schestowitz | "But there is still no ppa for version 5. Is it?" | Aug 05 19:33 |
| schestowitz | "Probably still have to build from source. Wait for it to be packaged in a ppa, or to be added to you distro’s repos if you don’t want to do that." | Aug 05 19:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post? | Aug 05 19:34 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Aquaria Now Available DRM Free On GOG For Linux | Aug 05 19:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Aquaria Now Available DRM Free On GOG For Linux | GamingOnLinux | Aug 05 19:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Trine 3: The Artifacts Of Power Linux Version | Aug 05 19:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | In Progress https://t.co/anj202FfER | Aug 05 19:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Trine 3: The Artifacts Of Power Linux Version In Progress | GamingOnLinux | Aug 05 19:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Black Lab Enterprise Linux 6.6 Released | Aug 05 19:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pc-opensystems.com | Black Lab Software Inc.: Black Lab Enterprise Linux 6.6 Released | Aug 05 19:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines More Oxide Security Issues Have Been Fixed in | Aug 05 19:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu 15.04 and Ubuntu 14.04 LTS | Aug 05 19:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | More Oxide Security Issues Have Been Fixed in Ubuntu 15.04 and Ubuntu 14.04 LTS - Softpedia | Aug 05 19:42 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @Cipherhouse retweeted @tuxmachines: 'More Oxide Security Issues Have Been Fixed in...' | Aug 05 19:42 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Qt Purchasing Module Might Come To Qt 5.6 For | Aug 05 19:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Offering In-App Purchases | Aug 05 19:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Qt Purchasing Module Might Come To Qt 5.6 For Offering In-App Purchases - Phoronix | Aug 05 19:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat Announces General Availability of Red | Aug 05 19:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Hat Enterprise Linux OpenStack Platform 7 | Aug 05 19:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.marketwatch.com | Red Hat Announces General Availability of Red Hat Enterprise Linux OpenStack Platform 7 - MarketWatch | Aug 05 19:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora Linux May Further Demote i686 Support | Aug 05 19:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Fedora Linux May Further Demote i686 Support - Phoronix | Aug 05 19:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tizen Developer Summit give-away device, | Aug 05 19:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Samsung TM1 lands at Tizen Experts | Aug 05 19:47 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | [Pictures] Tizen Developer Summit give-away device, Samsung TM1 lands at Tizen Experts - Tizen Experts | Aug 05 19:47 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Cumulus Releases VX Virtual Appliance Edition | Aug 05 20:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of its Linux OS http://t.co/S4n4lZuhk1 | Aug 05 20:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.convergedigest.com) http://t.co/yG23tjTRre | Aug 05 20:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.convergedigest.com | Cumulus Releases VX Virtual Appliance Edition of its Linux OS ~ Converge! Network Digest | Aug 05 20:13 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fierceenterprisecommunications.com | Cumulus wants you to try open networking with its new virtual appliance - FierceEnterpriseCommunications | Aug 05 20:13 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eweek.com | Cumulus Offers VX Virtual Appliance for Testing, Development | Aug 05 20:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Twin Robots 2D Platformer Lands on Steam for | Aug 05 20:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux | Aug 05 20:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Twin Robots 2D Platformer Lands on Steam for Linux - Softpedia | Aug 05 20:13 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Jamie Zawinski is bitching about his flawless Mac again. | Aug 05 21:17 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 05 21:17 |
| MinceR | he wouldn't have got one if he hadn't lost his mind | Aug 05 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | He wrote an AppleScript to help use iTunes, and then complained when they changed the "shuffle" button so that his script couldn't click on it, and there's no documentation from Apple about what to tell your script to click on to have it click the shuffle button. | Aug 05 21:18 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 05 21:18 |
| MinceR | should have stuck to unix | Aug 05 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | Yep. | Aug 05 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer Matt Dalton: Windows 10 is gratis at the moment if you already had a Windows license, although you may have noticed that they raised both the retail and system builder prices, so they took with one hand and gave with the other. Essentially, people building or buying new computers are subsidizing the upgrades for others. | Aug 05 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | From now on, the cost of future upgrades are basically pre-paid, which is what Apple does. | Aug 05 21:26 |
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| MinceR | they learn so much from each other | Aug 05 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | They pick up each others bad habits anyway. :P | Aug 05 21:27 |
| MinceR | that's all they have | Aug 05 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | Windows is better than Mac in the sense that they're both rotten, but Windows is a little less rotten. | Aug 05 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft still hasn't figured out a way to not let you sideload apps. | Aug 05 21:28 |
| MinceR | i'm sure they're working on it | Aug 05 21:28 |
| MinceR | though they'll probably lock down uefi before they do that | Aug 05 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | Not really. | Aug 05 21:28 |
| MinceR | so people won't notice what's going on | Aug 05 21:28 |
| MinceR | they already have a winblows store | Aug 05 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 10 has a slider that says "Allow application sideloading." which lets you install appx programs from outside the Windows Store. | Aug 05 21:28 |
| MinceR | which is what will disappear once the uefi trap is spring | Aug 05 21:29 |
| MinceR | s/rin/run/ | Aug 05 21:29 |
| MinceR | perhaps first only for non-"enterprise" victims | Aug 05 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Classic apps are what Microsoft is calling the software that people actually use. | Aug 05 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | AppX hasn't caught on. | Aug 05 21:30 |
| MinceR | those who followed m$ into the previous rabbit holes will follow them into the next ones too | Aug 05 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think it will in a major way. There's only a few good Windows Store apps, but most are fake/scam/exploitation apps. | Aug 05 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | They did a purge of those a few months ago, but they're starting to come back. | Aug 05 21:31 |
| MinceR | maybe they'll graciously allow "classic" "apps" into the winblows store | Aug 05 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | My favorite one was "Google Chr0me". | Aug 05 21:31 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 05 21:31 |
| MinceR | why not "Google Chrome" with cyrillic 'o'-s? | Aug 05 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | Good question. | Aug 05 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | The cyrillic c is useful too. | Aug 05 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | It lets you say "fuck" when there's a profanity filter. | Aug 05 21:32 |
| MinceR | :) | Aug 05 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | Amazon didn't notice until I posted "Fuck, fuckity, fuck fuck fuck. What's the fucking problem?" | Aug 05 21:32 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 05 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | I do like the flipboard app. | Aug 05 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | The Galaxy S6 comes with a version of it called "Briefing". | Aug 05 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | http://techcrunch.com/2015/08/05/google-and-samsung-will-now-release-monthly-ota-android-security-updates/ | Aug 05 21:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com | Google And Samsung Will Now Release Monthly OTA Android Security Updates | TechCrunch [ http://ur1.ca/nd3gi ] | Aug 05 21:34 | |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Aug 05 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | Just now · | Aug 05 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | Google and Samsung will now push out a monthly security rollup that fixes all known security issues. | Aug 05 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | Good. I'm not happy that it took the Stagefright bug meda feeding frenzy to get them to do the right thing, but Android is a pretty secure OS. If the bug was as easy to exploit as the pro-Apple media would have us believe, then why is there no actual malware targeting it yet? Think about how much money you could make with malware if Android is really a pushover, and it is 4 out of 5 smartphones in use. | Aug 05 21:38 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6430592 | Aug 05 21:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 05 21:39 |
| schestowitz | As such, my test system is an A10-7850K CPU, 8Gbs of 2133Mhz RAM, and AMD R9 290 graphics card, running on Windows 10 Professional 64-bit only because the outstanding Catalyst driver bugs under Linux make this game basically unplayable. | Aug 05 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Yes, definitely a Linux Gamer’s review. ;) | Aug 05 21:40 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 05 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Although, having had experience with our good friend the Catalyst Linux crap, he's...probably right. | Aug 05 21:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post? | Aug 05 21:40 | |
| DaemonFC | It remains to be seen if amdgpu in the kernel will fix any of Catalyst's problems, but it couldn't make it much worse. | Aug 05 21:41 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat eyes SEA expansion, finally sets up | Aug 05 21:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | shop in Malaysia https://t.co/MUoljkCdh8 | Aug 05 21:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digitalnewsasia.com | Red Hat eyes SEA expansion, finally sets up shop in Malaysia | Digital News Asia | Aug 05 21:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 5 Best Practices for Security in Open Source | Aug 05 21:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Development http://t.co/lezaLsgGsF | Aug 05 21:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 Best Practices for Security in Open Source Development | Tux Machines | Aug 05 21:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The New KDE "Fiber" Web Browser Deciding | Aug 05 21:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Between Qt WebEngine & Chromium | Aug 05 21:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/JHjySssZFh (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 05 21:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nd3lx | Aug 05 21:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The New KDE "Fiber" Web Browser Deciding Between Qt WebEngine & Chromium | Tux Machines | Aug 05 21:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat eyes SEA expansion, finally sets up | Aug 05 21:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | shop in Malaysia http://t.co/f76Ncc69ry | Aug 05 21:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 05 21:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nd3oi | Aug 05 21:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat eyes SEA expansion, finally sets up shop in Malaysia | Tux Machines | Aug 05 21:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Shadow Of Mordor Nvidia Benchmarks On Linux | Aug 05 21:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/bjfSmHjJmO (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 05 21:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nd3oj | Aug 05 21:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Shadow Of Mordor Nvidia Benchmarks On Linux | GamingOnLinux | Aug 05 21:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines DiRT Showdown For Linux Delayed For Polishing | Aug 05 21:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/AffrGHUtHL (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Aug 05 21:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nd3ok | Aug 05 21:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | DiRT Showdown For Linux Delayed For Polishing | GamingOnLinux | Aug 05 21:58 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, It'd probably be better for it to use the one from Chromium. | Aug 05 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | Every KDE/Qt web browser that has tried using the Qtwebkit port has turned into an utter shitpile. | Aug 05 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | Full of bugs and broken features. | Aug 05 22:08 |
| MinceR | http://www.visualcapitalist.com/how-closely-connected-are-the-most-powerful-corporations-in-america/ | Aug 05 22:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.visualcapitalist.com | How Closely Connected are the Most Powerful Corporations? [ http://ur1.ca/nd3sd ] | Aug 05 22:08 | |
| DaemonFC | Basing it on Chromium would give it the benefits of Chromium's security model and instant access to thousands of extensions. | Aug 05 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | It's not really possible to do adblock properly if you base your browser on Qtwebkit. | Aug 05 22:10 |
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| tessier | schestowitz: msg'ing you... | Aug 05 23:06 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33772261 | Aug 05 23:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.com | Spyware demo shows how spooks hack mobile phones - BBC News [ http://ur1.ca/nd4bl ] | Aug 05 23:13 | |
| DaemonFC | That's actually pretty clever. It only activates the microphone when there's a certain level of noise in the room, so it should start and stop recording as people are talking. | Aug 05 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | I guess you could whisper and it probably wouldn't pick it up. | Aug 05 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | I mentioned Verify Apps as a defense against malware to someone a while back and they said that "because of Android's fragmentation, most people won't have that.". | Aug 05 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | So I pointed to the usage stats and showed that about 90% of Android users are using 4.2 Jelly Bean or higher, which does have it. | Aug 05 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | iPhone fanboys. They love getting their talking points directly from Apple, don't they? | Aug 05 23:19 |
| MinceR | they'll grab onto any little fragment of hope | Aug 05 23:20 |
| MinceR | to satisfy their cognitive dissonance | Aug 05 23:20 |
| MinceR | after having paid so much for such retarded products of crap quality | Aug 05 23:20 |
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| DaemonFC | http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/google-to-check-android-apps-for-malicious-behaviour-even-after-installation-507122 | Aug 05 23:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gadgets.ndtv.com | Google to check Android apps for malicious behaviour even after installation | NDTV Gadgets [ http://ur1.ca/nd4hj ] | Aug 05 23:29 | |
| DaemonFC | They've been good at scaring people. | Aug 05 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | "recently the top paid app on Android was an anti-virus app which did absolutely nothing at all" | Aug 05 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | http://gadgets.ndtv.com/apps/news/top-paid-app-on-google-play-store-uncovered-as-fake-505783 | Aug 05 23:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gadgets.ndtv.com | Top paid app on Google Play Store uncovered as fake | NDTV Gadgets [ http://ur1.ca/nd4j5 ] | Aug 05 23:34 | |
| DaemonFC | "iOS isn't exempt from the criticism - in March the team behind the official Tor Browser said that a fake Tor Browser filled with adware and spyware was available on the iTunes App Store for several months before being finally removed." | Aug 05 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/03/fake-tor-browser-for-ios-laced-with-adware-spyware-members-warn/ | Aug 05 23:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Fake Tor browser for iOS laced with adware, spyware, members warn | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/nd4jd ] | Aug 05 23:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines This is what Android looks like in 2015 | Aug 05 23:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/WQ1tni2qyD (www.theverge.com) | Aug 05 23:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nd4k5 | Aug 05 23:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | This is what Android looks like in 2015 | The Verge | Aug 05 23:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Leftovers http://t.co/HJ5BzrdpM5 | Aug 05 23:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 05 23:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Aug 05 23:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nd4k6 | Aug 05 23:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/2YBClULkRG | Aug 05 23:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 05 23:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Aug 05 23:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nd4k9 | Aug 05 23:39 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jrobertson/status/629057365866844160 | Aug 05 23:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jrobertson: #whoislaughingnow https://t.co/rurjmhHxIS | Aug 05 23:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Before #snowden leaks, saying a lot of the things that right now even the #bbc is saying would have had you called "paranoid" or "crazy" | Aug 05 23:39 | |
| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Aug 05 23:48 |
| DaemonFC | I like to troll "right to life" people on Facebook. There's a picture of a fetus with "This is not a human being!" on it. | Aug 05 23:48 |
| DaemonFC | Once you have them going, inform them that it's an elephant fetus. | Aug 05 23:48 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 05 23:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/629061728865767424 | Aug 05 23:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: A dog's story. Genetic privacy, as explained by mystery poopers @ruskin147 @schestowitz http://t.co/CRJYycGMcx | Aug 05 23:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.sbs.com.au | Comment: Genetic privacy, as explained by mystery poopers | SBS News | Aug 05 23:51 | |
| DaemonFC | This HBO Now thing could be better. | Aug 05 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | I'm glad there's a way to get HBO without cable now, but they certainly try to stop you from actually using it. | Aug 05 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | First, you can only pay through a mobile platform's app store, even though you can watch it on your PC once you've paid. | Aug 05 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | :/ | Aug 05 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | Then once you go to watch it, bizarre error messages pop up or your video stops playing halfway through and won't stop saying "buffering". | Aug 05 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | For $14.99 a month, you'd hope to have excellent service and an easy way to get to it. | Aug 05 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | Then again, I think all of that can be forgiven because it's still better than dealing with Comcast. | Aug 05 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | With Comcast, you can't just get the channels you want. You have to buy dozens of channels you may not watch, then pay extra for HBO, and then pay more to rent boxes, and then more to watch in HD, and then more to have "DVR" service for the DVR you're already paying to rent. | Aug 06 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | And then, you pay 7% Indiana sales tax, a "utility regulatory recovery fee", and all sorts of other things. | Aug 06 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | They're losing a million customers every year and they act like they can't figure out why. | Aug 06 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | Recently, they admitted that it's because people are going internet-only and then paying ala carte for the TV they watch over the internet. So Comcast has a plan. They're going to raise internet prices. | Aug 06 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | Because it's not enough that you lose your $15 a month bundle discount when you go internet only. | Aug 06 00:03 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, There's a city in Indiana that passed a law that says everyone that lives there is going to have to have their dog's DNA on file. | Aug 06 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | That way, if they find a pile of dog poop, they can run a DNA test on it to find out who isn't picking up the poop. | Aug 06 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | It's one of the wealthier cities, obviously. | Aug 06 00:04 |
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| DaemonFC | Who else would be able to hire a police officer to bag dog poop and send it to a lab? | Aug 06 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Like towels of mass destruction. I guess. | Aug 06 00:19 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6429873 | Aug 06 00:19 |
| schestowitz | "Like towels of mass destruction. I guess." | Aug 06 00:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post? | Aug 06 00:20 | |
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| cubexyz | ok, watched "The Day the Earth Stood Still" 1951 | Aug 06 00:23 |
| cubexyz | pretty good | Aug 06 00:23 |
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| DaemonFC | http://apple.slashdot.org/story/15/08/05/041218/os-x-bug-exploited-to-infect-macs-without-need-for-password?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=facebook | Aug 06 01:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-apple.slashdot.org | OS X Bug Exploited To Infect Macs Without Need For Password - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/nd5cu ] | Aug 06 01:21 | |
| DaemonFC | There's a kernel mod from the guy who discovered the problem that stops it from being exploited. At least, that's what he says it does. | Aug 06 01:22 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: Glad you liked it! | Aug 06 01:45 |
| MinceR | https://thenib.com/step-away-from-the-internet-with-your-hands-above-your-head-a5c4bc0231be | Aug 06 01:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenib.com | Step away from the internet with your hands above your head! — The Nib — Medium [ http://ur1.ca/nd5k3 ] | Aug 06 01:48 | |
| msb__ | Comcast has RT (rt.com) on which is great! At least in SF Bay Area. Chris Hedges, Jesse Ventura, Max Keiser, Lionel (http://lionelmedia.com/) and many other truthtellers. Amazing to see this stuff on American TV! | Aug 06 01:52 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Putin is almost never mentioned on RT. | Aug 06 01:54 |
| MinceR | yeah, they prefer to talk about their enemies | Aug 06 01:54 |
| msb__ | Well, they've been running a story about how Obama is now bombing the Syrian military, even though the State Dept can't come up with any legal justification for it. And they showed several US politicians saying that Bashar Assad must be eliminated, but they don't say why. This is very similar to the US attack on and total destruction of Libya. | Aug 06 02:12 |
| msb__ | The US is an enemy to much of the world. | Aug 06 02:13 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Aug 06 02:22 |
| DaemonFC | Just now · | Aug 06 02:22 |
| DaemonFC | "For only $190, women can now have the luxury of owning a pair of jeans with a special opening for a battery pack to charge their phones. Of course, the battery pack doesn't come with the jeans and will set you back another $50. Don't fret, though, because that pack will make sure to charge your iPhone 5 and 5S from zero to 85 percent and your iPhone 6 from zero to 70 percent." | Aug 06 02:22 |
| DaemonFC | Gee, that's neat. I spent $20 on a power pack that can charge my Galaxy S6 four times and fits in the pockets of the jeans I already own..... | Aug 06 02:22 |
| DaemonFC | ZZZZzzzzzz.... | Aug 06 02:22 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2015/08/05/now-can-charge-your-iphone-6-with-pair-skinny-jeans/ | Aug 06 02:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.foxnews.com | Now you can charge your iPhone 6 with a pair of skinny jeans | Fox News [ http://ur1.ca/nd5sw ] | Aug 06 02:22 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.engadget.com/2015/08/04/lumia-950-leak/ | Aug 06 02:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com | Images of Microsoft's next flagship Lumia prototype leak out [ http://ur1.ca/nd5tw ] | Aug 06 02:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/ct7ltJ8Eo6 | Aug 06 03:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 06 03:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nd68m | Aug 06 03:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Aug 06 03:21 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/dkavedk/status/629241538904768513 | Aug 06 11:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dkavedk: @schestowitz - 503 err | Aug 06 11:47 | |
| schestowitz | try again | Aug 06 11:47 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/dkavedk/status/629242768041361413 | Aug 06 11:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dkavedk: @schestowitz - nope... You got me | Aug 06 11:52 | |
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| arossdotme-planb | trying to find an artical from a few years ago about creative commons and commercial use and why nc is bad | Aug 06 12:40 |
| cubexyz | nc? | Aug 06 12:42 |
| cubexyz | non commercial I suppose | Aug 06 12:43 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: still around | Aug 06 13:24 |
| oiaohm | nc is non commerical in creative commons. | Aug 06 13:24 |
| cubexyz | why would non commercial be considered bad? | Aug 06 13:27 |
| oiaohm | Depends on country. Australia where I am in very strict. | Aug 06 13:29 |
| oiaohm | http://www.musicrights.com.au/fact-sheets/test123/ | Aug 06 13:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.musicrights.com.au | Music Rights Australia - Fact Sheets [ http://ur1.ca/ndbdf ] | Aug 06 13:29 | |
| oiaohm | Yes you buy a CD you decide to play it in your office at work as some background music and that is on office because CD you bought was only licensed for private usage. | Aug 06 13:30 |
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| oiaohm | non commerical in Australia is very restrictive cubexyz | Aug 06 13:30 |
| oiaohm | I have a lot of creative commons that is license commercial that I can play when I am working cubexyz | Aug 06 13:31 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: playing a non commerical creative commons work in a Office, school using speakers..... without authors permission is technically a breach under Australian rules. Ok it gets more stupid. Now if every person in the room has head phones on you can class them as listerning to it personally so legal. | Aug 06 13:36 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: so it depends on country and how strict commerical usage is defined. | Aug 06 13:36 |
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| arossdotme-planb | oiaohm, thx, didnt know that | Aug 06 14:52 |
| oiaohm | arossdotme-planb: what country are you in. | Aug 06 14:55 |
| arossdotme-planb | uk | Aug 06 14:55 |
| oiaohm | arossdotme-planb: does pay to Look up law. | Aug 06 14:55 |
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| oiaohm | Because what said only applies to Australian define of copyright laws. Australia lacks the common fair use exception. | Aug 06 14:56 |
| oiaohm | But there are other loop holes. | Aug 06 14:56 |
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| arossdotme-planb | yea... i was thinking about other aspects like with the share-a-like clause even with commercial use enabled a £££££ company cant just use the music in there prodction becuase they would have to release the source of there work that uses the music? i dont think that is the case... this old article i remember reading i think answered that and more | Aug 06 14:59 |
| arossdotme-planb | or the section that uses the music? or music based on the music track in question would need to be share-a-like too :) | Aug 06 15:00 |
| oiaohm | Share a like with commercial. I can play where were ever. | Aug 06 15:00 |
| arossdotme-planb | yea but when its mixed into something? | Aug 06 15:01 |
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| oiaohm | arossdotme-planb: mixing something under share alike is exactly right. | Aug 06 15:05 |
| oiaohm | arossdotme-planb: that you are forced to use the same creative common license. | Aug 06 15:05 |
| oiaohm | arossdotme-planb: if it just share alike and you wanted to put on a event and change admission you could. | Aug 06 15:07 |
| oiaohm | arossdotme-planb: or put it on a disc. | Aug 06 15:08 |
| oiaohm | so its a double side sword kind of mess arossdotme-planb | Aug 06 15:08 |
| arossdotme-planb | i understand that people can resale the music | Aug 06 15:08 |
| arossdotme-planb | that helps clear things up | Aug 06 15:09 |
| arossdotme-planb | for me | Aug 06 15:09 |
| oiaohm | I don't say that either choice is wrong. | Aug 06 15:09 |
| arossdotme-planb | yea :) | Aug 06 15:10 |
| oiaohm | As with all licensing it pays to understand what you are allowing and what you are fobidding. | Aug 06 15:10 |
| arossdotme-planb | ive got some live recordings from a small festival, not a commercial type more of a family sort | Aug 06 15:11 |
| oiaohm | That might sound simple but that again is check the laws. | Aug 06 15:11 |
| arossdotme-planb | i love free culture and wanted to release them as such. being pondering how to word it to these young, hopefully upcoming artists | Aug 06 15:12 |
| oiaohm | Note I said Australia does not have fair usage laws but we have other oddities. | Aug 06 15:13 |
| oiaohm | LIke if I had attended event and recorded and tag it here in Australia "unauthorised" I don't need to get permision of the artists to release it. | Aug 06 15:14 |
| arossdotme-planb | we have some sort of fair usage laws but we also have evil Con$ervative gov :( | Aug 06 15:15 |
| oiaohm | Note 1 word is magic. | Aug 06 15:15 |
| oiaohm | here. | Aug 06 15:15 |
| arossdotme-planb | i asked the artists before if i could and pluged into the mix desk | Aug 06 15:15 |
| oiaohm | arossdotme-planb: I normally say get it in writing if you want to release using authorised and not using any copyright exceptions. | Aug 06 15:16 |
| arossdotme-planb | *if they could mind | Aug 06 15:16 |
| oiaohm | and its also nicer to the artist for them to say hey I perfer X options. | Aug 06 15:17 |
| oiaohm | A lot of artist will allow recording for personal usage. | Aug 06 15:17 |
| arossdotme-planb | hmm dont have contact info of them all... if its that formal they wont get released at all | Aug 06 15:17 |
| arossdotme-planb | i think they knew it was with intention to sharing them | Aug 06 15:18 |
| oiaohm | This is a case of not being prepared. | Aug 06 15:18 |
| arossdotme-planb | yep | Aug 06 15:19 |
| oiaohm | Next time have you paperwork in order. It suprising how many of them will just agree. | Aug 06 15:19 |
| arossdotme-planb | its hard enough to get there names let alone copyright details! | Aug 06 15:19 |
| oiaohm | Now you may need to check into UK unathorised. | Aug 06 15:20 |
| arossdotme-planb | this year i was setting up and leaving it on auto so i wasnt around to ask any new pepole.... | Aug 06 15:20 |
| oiaohm | unauthorised" I | Aug 06 15:20 |
| arossdotme-planb | ok ill look into unauth then | Aug 06 15:20 |
| arossdotme-planb | thx | Aug 06 15:20 |
| oiaohm | arossdotme-planb: are you working with event organsises. | Aug 06 15:20 |
| oiaohm | organisers. | Aug 06 15:21 |
| arossdotme-planb | oiaohm, err sort of | Aug 06 15:21 |
| arossdotme-planb | kind-a got a "working" ticket for it | Aug 06 15:21 |
| arossdotme-planb | i think | Aug 06 15:21 |
| oiaohm | Because it is possible to get copyright/release allowance on there applications for the events. | Aug 06 15:21 |
| arossdotme-planb | theres a thought | Aug 06 15:21 |
| oiaohm | Yes check boxs | Aug 06 15:21 |
| oiaohm | With a signature. | Aug 06 15:21 |
| arossdotme-planb | though a fact wack of recs are from the open mic, so no pre agreement | Aug 06 15:22 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Aug 06 15:22 |
| arossdotme-planb | unauth applys for open mic i guess | Aug 06 15:22 |
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| oiaohm | open mic as long as it openly informed that open mic will be recorded and will be released under X license no problems. | Aug 06 15:23 |
| oiaohm | At least here. | Aug 06 15:23 |
| arossdotme-planb | they didnt nessory know about recording... | Aug 06 15:23 |
| oiaohm | That is where trouble starts. | Aug 06 15:23 |
| oiaohm | People can get upset if they are recorded without them knowing and its released. | Aug 06 15:24 |
| arossdotme-planb | i know | Aug 06 15:24 |
| oiaohm | Like it might be legal to do unauthorised but its better to avoid it where possible. | Aug 06 15:24 |
| arossdotme-planb | i get its stressful and they don't want to be judged by a wider audience | Aug 06 15:25 |
| oiaohm | That is where its working with the event. | Aug 06 15:26 |
| oiaohm | Because you could have recorded and unrecorded open mics at the event. | Aug 06 15:26 |
| arossdotme-planb | its a strugle to plug into the mixxer at all let along special things like that. | Aug 06 15:27 |
| arossdotme-planb | its really informal this event, it is what it is. | Aug 06 15:27 |
| oiaohm | Copyright in an informal event is a pain. | Aug 06 15:28 |
| arossdotme-planb | i think i might well sod it and release ones CC and deal with any issues. its a challenge for them to be listened to at all. pepole have been waiting from last year for the recs, i think it will do more good will for me to take risk than not release | Aug 06 15:29 |
| arossdotme-planb | recording at all is all so a pain ;) cus its not vital | Aug 06 15:30 |
| oiaohm | arossdotme-planb: you will need to check out the UK laws on unathorised. | Aug 06 15:32 |
| oiaohm | arossdotme-planb: before you do. | Aug 06 15:32 |
| arossdotme-planb | ok | Aug 06 15:32 |
| oiaohm | Ie not want to dig self into hole. | Aug 06 15:32 |
| arossdotme-planb | i wont blame you noly my self :) | Aug 06 15:32 |
| arossdotme-planb | only | Aug 06 15:32 |
| arossdotme-planb | youve been on help | Aug 06 15:33 |
| oiaohm | Australia we had a court ruling against 1993 that made unauthorised legal here. | Aug 06 15:33 |
| arossdotme-planb | of | Aug 06 15:33 |
| oiaohm | But I don't follow UK rulings. | Aug 06 15:33 |
| oiaohm | It was sony who lost to allow unauthorised. | Aug 06 15:33 |
| arossdotme-planb | i dont expect you too hehe | Aug 06 15:33 |
| arossdotme-planb | UK laws on unathorised copyright? thats what to search right? i assume so | Aug 06 15:34 |
| oiaohm | unauthorised I miss spelt it. | Aug 06 15:34 |
| arossdotme-planb | hehe ok | Aug 06 15:34 |
| arossdotme-planb | thx | Aug 06 15:35 |
| oiaohm | From what I can see UK does not have any such loophole. | Aug 06 15:39 |
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| MinceR | http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3821 | Aug 06 16:35 |
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| MinceR | https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/11796194_1127531837260193_3378060273863305250_n.jpg?oh=d1dbb1a5366bd02ff51b22fc13673197&oe=564C3B1D | Aug 06 16:38 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: | Aug 06 16:48 |
| msb__ | try msb_ | Aug 06 16:49 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: Nah, that would not notify. | Aug 06 16:49 |
| msb__ | please | Aug 06 16:49 |
| XRevan86 | msb_: | Aug 06 16:49 |
| msb__ | Damn! It has worked in the past. | Aug 06 16:50 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: Because you had a different nick in a channel. | Aug 06 16:50 |
| MinceR | > http://slashdot.org/poll/2913/eu-foss-conference-id-most-like-to-attend | Aug 06 16:51 |
| MinceR | > best comment: It doesn't matter which meeting you pick, they'll all be part of the systemd conference next year, anyway. | Aug 06 16:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-slashdot.org | Slashdot Poll | EU FOSS conference I'd most like ... [ http://ur1.ca/nddca ] | Aug 06 16:51 | |
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| XRevan86 | msb_: | Aug 06 16:55 |
| msb_ | it worked! now try in pm | Aug 06 16:55 |
| XRevan86 | msb_: It won't work. | Aug 06 16:55 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/629291979130675200 | Aug 06 16:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: “The Dream Of Internet Freedom Is Dying” ICYMI @schestowitz http://t.co/UfYk2Kh3lm | Aug 06 16:58 | |
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| MinceR | so is freedom on general | Aug 06 16:58 |
| MinceR | s/on/in/ | Aug 06 16:59 |
| msb_ | MinceR: I am cautiously optimistic. The Net is spreading info about bad political behavior very rapidly. | Aug 06 17:03 |
| MinceR | and nothing happens | Aug 06 17:04 |
| msb_ | It's much easier now to know what's going on. | Aug 06 17:04 |
| MinceR | except the bad behavior spreads and intensifies | Aug 06 17:04 |
| MinceR | sometimes there's enough protest to hold something up for a while | Aug 06 17:04 |
| msb_ | The worst thing that's been happening is the US destroying nations in the Middle East. | Aug 06 17:05 |
| msb_ | But hopefully the various Eurasian alliances will exert pressure against that. | Aug 06 17:05 |
| msb_ | I think there are only two ways to control people -- weapons and words. | Aug 06 17:06 |
| msb_ | So far in the larger Western nations, it's mostly been words (propaganda). | Aug 06 17:07 |
| msb_ | But with the Net we can broadcast our own TRUE words. | Aug 06 17:07 |
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| msb_ | If the US govt puts soldiers on the streets, most people will recognize that as evil. | Aug 06 17:08 |
| msb_ | So the govt has to use words. But it has to lie, and we can expose their lies. | Aug 06 17:09 |
| MinceR | i doubt those "nations" had a chance of getting much better any time soon anyway | Aug 06 17:09 |
| MinceR | they seem to be even less ready for democracy than hungary is | Aug 06 17:09 |
| msb_ | which nations? | Aug 06 17:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/s0msirem/status/629270063787442176 | Aug 06 17:09 |
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| MinceR | the middle eastern ones | Aug 06 17:09 |
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| msb_ | Libya was pretty good. | Aug 06 17:10 |
| MinceR | of course, it was good from the perspective of someone who likes dictatorships | Aug 06 17:10 |
| msb_ | And the authoritarian secular govts were better than the current authoritarian moslem ones. | Aug 06 17:11 |
| MinceR | if you like islam, that is | Aug 06 17:11 |
| msb_ | MinceR: stop lying about me. I have told you dozens of times that I do NOT like dictatorships. | Aug 06 17:11 |
| MinceR | and then you went back to advertising dictatorships as the best thing since sliced bread | Aug 06 17:11 |
| MinceR | thou doth protest too much | Aug 06 17:12 |
| msb_ | MinceR: stop lying | Aug 06 17:12 |
| msb_ | I protest because you keep lying. | Aug 06 17:12 |
| MinceR | talking about unconfortable facts is not lying | Aug 06 17:12 |
| MinceR | s/con/com/ | Aug 06 17:12 |
| msb_ | quote me where I "advertise dictatorships". | Aug 06 17:12 |
| XRevan86 | I suggest bombing the US, it looks like a corporate dictatorship to me. | Aug 06 17:13 |
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| msb_ | It is, but bombing is not an effective solution, here or elsewhere. | Aug 06 17:14 |
| XRevan86 | I thought that's the thing. | Aug 06 17:14 |
| msb_ | MinceR: quote me where I "advertise dictatorships". | Aug 06 17:14 |
| XRevan86 | Dictatorship → bombing → everybody's happy. | Aug 06 17:14 |
| msb_ | don't understand | Aug 06 17:15 |
| MinceR | msb_: for example your routine advertisements of putler fall into this category | Aug 06 17:15 |
| MinceR | same for your advertisements of gaddafi | Aug 06 17:15 |
| msb_ | MinceR: No they don't. I only say that I'm glad he's opposing mass murder by the US. | Aug 06 17:15 |
| MinceR | so if putin kills you, you die happy | Aug 06 17:16 |
| msb_ | Gaddafi was a good guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJURNC0e6Ek | Aug 06 17:16 |
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| msb_ | Putin has no intention of killing me, just stopping the US from killing Russia and others. | Aug 06 17:17 |
| msb_ | I don't like Islam either. It turns people into mindless robots -- disgusting. | Aug 06 17:20 |
| MinceR | it turns many people into corpses | Aug 06 17:21 |
| msb_ | That too. | Aug 06 17:21 |
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| msb_ | MinceR: Why don't you write down your standard accusations against me, and write down my refutations of them. | Aug 06 17:28 |
| MinceR | too much work | Aug 06 17:29 |
| msb_ | Then don't repeat them unless you can disprove the refutations. | Aug 06 17:29 |
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| MinceR | why don't you just enlist in putin's army so you can kill people for his sake | Aug 06 17:29 |
| msb_ | But you keep repeating the same lies. Isn't that work. Useless work when I refute the lies every time. | Aug 06 17:29 |
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| MinceR | you do realize you're not the only one who can randomly throw that word at everything you dislike, right? | Aug 06 17:30 |
| msb_ | MinceR: you are implying that I want to kill people for someone's sake. YOU ARE LYING. I have never said any such thing. | Aug 06 17:30 |
| MinceR | of course, cheering them on from the sidelines is a lot more fun | Aug 06 17:31 |
| msb_ | MinceR: I prove you are lying by challenging you to quote me to prove your lies. And you never can. | Aug 06 17:31 |
| MinceR | it's also easier to tell everyone that their country should be run like north korea if you don't have to live in north korea | Aug 06 17:32 |
| MinceR | i don't tell lies | Aug 06 17:32 |
| MinceR | you call inconvenient facts lies | Aug 06 17:32 |
| msb_ | Then quote me to prove your claims against me. | Aug 06 17:32 |
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| MinceR | i've seen what the people your favorite putin learned his methods from did to my country and i can tell you it was not the pinnacle of freedom or prosperity | Aug 06 17:33 |
| msb_ | That was 60 years ago. | Aug 06 17:33 |
| MinceR | and yet for many people nothing changed | Aug 06 17:33 |
| msb_ | Putin is not applying such methods now. | Aug 06 17:34 |
| MinceR | also, it was also 25 years ago | Aug 06 17:34 |
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| msb_ | I gave you seven alternative news websites, none connected with Russia, that say that the US installed a Nazi govt in Ukraine. | Aug 06 17:35 |
| msb_ | But you still disagree. | Aug 06 17:35 |
| msb_ | Putin must be judged on his current behavior, not the behavior of organizations he was associated with decades ago. | Aug 06 17:36 |
| MinceR | yeah, alternative "news" websites | Aug 06 17:37 |
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| MinceR | where groundless anti-vaxxer hysteria and crackpot theories about reptoids and chemtrails is "news" | Aug 06 17:37 |
| msb_ | Yes, and they pretty much all agree. And they prove their statements with evidence. | Aug 06 17:37 |
| MinceR | and you can tell from afar that they're not connected to russia | Aug 06 17:37 |
| MinceR | even as one of them routinely reposts garbage from RT | Aug 06 17:38 |
| msb_ | I've been watching RT. What it broadcasts is not garbage. | Aug 06 17:38 |
| MinceR | and apparently you can also tell from afar which people's lives should be sacrificed for the sake of your hero | Aug 06 17:38 |
| MinceR | yeah, i've seen how critically you think | Aug 06 17:38 |
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| MinceR | and before you call the ukrainian government nazis, you should learn a thing or two about putin's national socialist tendencies (and those of his admirers) | Aug 06 17:39 |
| msb_ | MinceR: you are lying by implication. I have never said anyone should be sacrificed. Produce quotes or STOP LYING/ | Aug 06 17:39 |
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| MinceR | you've routinely cheered on putler's conquest of ukraine | Aug 06 17:39 |
| MinceR | apparently people of the eastern bloc are expendable to you | Aug 06 17:40 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Putin did not conquer Ukraine. STOP LYING. He brought Crimea into Russia at the Crimeans' request, to protect them from the US Nazis. | Aug 06 17:40 |
| msb_ | and their bombing | Aug 06 17:41 |
| MinceR | yeah, only parts of it, for now | Aug 06 17:41 |
| MinceR | and the war isn't over yet | Aug 06 17:41 |
| MinceR | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqmboHoCcAAgE8z.jpg | Aug 06 17:41 |
| msb_ | Only the parts that REQUEST IT. | Aug 06 17:41 |
| MinceR | who's the nazi now? | Aug 06 17:41 |
| msb_ | You? | Aug 06 17:41 |
| MinceR | you're lying again | Aug 06 17:41 |
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| msb_ | They voted for it. | Aug 06 17:42 |
| MinceR | yeah, at gunpoint | Aug 06 17:42 |
| MinceR | after a demonstration of the russian military in crimea | Aug 06 17:42 |
| msb_ | were there guns in the polling places? | Aug 06 17:42 |
| MinceR | did they need to be in the polling places? | Aug 06 17:42 |
| msb_ | If not, then they could have voted against joining Russia. | Aug 06 17:42 |
| MinceR | are ukrainians so stupid in your opinion that they forget the guns by the time they get to the polling booth? | Aug 06 17:42 |
| MinceR | yes, and then they could have been exterminated | Aug 06 17:43 |
| MinceR | if the usa did the same thing, you'd be outraged about it. | Aug 06 17:43 |
| msb_ | How would the guns affect their vote if the Russians could not know how each person voted? | Aug 06 17:43 |
| MinceR | the russians only need to know and care about the outcome | Aug 06 17:43 |
| msb_ | The US has rigged elections. | Aug 06 17:43 |
| MinceR | prove that russia did not rig that election. | Aug 06 17:44 |
| msb_ | You can't prove a negative. | Aug 06 17:44 |
| MinceR | bullshit. | Aug 06 17:44 |
| msb_ | The whole Ukraine conflict was started by the US installing the Nazi govt. | Aug 06 17:45 |
| MinceR | http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/379/532/43f.gif | Aug 06 17:46 |
| msb_ | http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine/5371554 | Aug 06 17:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | The U.S. has Installed a Neo-Nazi Government in Ukraine | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization [ http://ur1.ca/ji3em ] | Aug 06 17:46 | |
| MinceR | http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcybzwsZUU1qdezf9o1_400.gif | Aug 06 17:47 |
| MinceR | again, the "news" site that repeats RT | Aug 06 17:47 |
| MinceR | yeah, if i wanted to know if the ukrainians were nazis, i'd ask putin too | Aug 06 17:47 |
| msb_ | You want all the other six news sites that say the same thing? | Aug 06 17:47 |
| MinceR | no, i want real news sites that have more clue than repeat what comes out of putler's propaganda machine | Aug 06 17:48 |
| MinceR | i know putler hates everyone who opposes his plans of annexing everything in the eastern bloc without reading six copies of his propaganda. | Aug 06 17:48 |
| msb_ | Prove he has such plans. | Aug 06 17:49 |
| msb_ | And note that all those news sites have their own writers. | Aug 06 17:50 |
| MinceR | he took over crimea, has forces in eastern ukraine and has threatened to attack the baltic states | Aug 06 17:50 |
| MinceR | ooh, they have their "own writers" to copypaste the garbage that comes out of putin's mouthpiece | Aug 06 17:50 |
| msb_ | Global Research http://www.globalresearch.ca/ | Aug 06 17:50 |
| msb_ | Op-Ed News http://www.opednews.com/ | Aug 06 17:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization | Aug 06 17:50 | |
| msb_ | Truth-Out http://www.truth-out.org/ | Aug 06 17:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.opednews.com | Opednews.com Progressive, Liberal United States and International News, Opinion, Op-Eds and Politics | Aug 06 17:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.truth-out.org | Truthout | Fearless, Independent News and Opinion | Aug 06 17:50 | |
| msb_ | Free Critical Thinking http://freecriticalthinking.org/ | Aug 06 17:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freecriticalthinking.org | Home | Aug 06 17:50 | |
| msb_ | Paul Craig Roberts http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/ | Aug 06 17:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.paulcraigroberts.org | Paul Craig Roberts - Official Homepage | Aug 06 17:50 | |
| msb_ | Common Dreams http://www.commondreams.org/ | Aug 06 17:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for the Progressive Community | Aug 06 17:50 | |
| msb_ | TomDispatch http://www.tomdispatch.com/ | Aug 06 17:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomdispatch.com | TomDispatch | Aug 06 17:50 | |
| MinceR | he even threatened to use nukes | Aug 06 17:50 |
| msb_ | Provide a reference. | Aug 06 17:51 |
| MinceR | but of course you don't care because they wouldn't land on you | Aug 06 17:51 |
| msb_ | Provide a reference. | Aug 06 17:51 |
| MinceR | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/11167192/Vladimir-Putin-issues-new-large-nuclear-power-warning-to-West.html | Aug 06 17:51 |
| msb_ | Provide a reference regarding nukes and also baltic states. | Aug 06 17:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.telegraph.co.uk | Vladimir Putin issues new 'large nuclear power' warning to West - Telegraph [ http://ur1.ca/nddzt ] | Aug 06 17:51 | |
| MinceR | http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/order-from-chaos/posts/2015/04/01-putin-nuclear-threats-meaning | Aug 06 17:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.brookings.edu | Apocalypse a bit later: The meaning of Putin’s nuclear threats | Brookings Institution [ http://ur1.ca/nde01 ] | Aug 06 17:52 | |
| MinceR | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11106195/Putin-privately-threatened-to-invade-Poland-Romania-and-the-Baltic-states.html | Aug 06 17:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.telegraph.co.uk | Putin 'privately threatened to invade Poland, Romania and the Baltic states' - Telegraph [ http://ur1.ca/nde09 ] | Aug 06 17:53 | |
| MinceR | apparently even poland and romania | Aug 06 17:53 |
| MinceR | http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-reviews-baltic-states-independence-2015-6 | Aug 06 17:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | Russia reviews Baltic states' independence - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/nde0k ] | Aug 06 17:53 | |
| msb_ | This was ALLEGED by the current president of the NAZI Ukraine regime. | Aug 06 17:56 |
| MinceR | read the next article | Aug 06 17:56 |
| MinceR | funny how putin's allegations are sacred scripture to you | Aug 06 17:57 |
| msb_ | " there would be no legal consequences if the recognition of the three Baltic states was to be found illegal." | Aug 06 17:58 |
| MinceR | and yet it conveniently pops up and is advertised while putin's having his little adventure | Aug 06 17:58 |
| MinceR | but i'm sure it has no meaning whatsoever | Aug 06 17:58 |
| msb_ | MinceR: "<MinceR> funny how putin's allegations are sacred scripture to you" STOP LYING AND EXAGGERATING. | Aug 06 17:59 |
| MinceR | https://euobserver.com/defence/125807 | Aug 06 17:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-euobserver.com | Could Putin's troops 'be in Warsaw in two days'? | Aug 06 17:59 | |
| MinceR | but i'm sure putler taking over half of europe would make for comfortable viewing from your armchair behind the usian missile shield | Aug 06 18:00 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Since Putin has not intention of putting troops in Warsaw , THAT IS LYING PROPAGANDA. | Aug 06 18:00 |
| MinceR | that's a lie | Aug 06 18:00 |
| MinceR | putler wants everything | Aug 06 18:00 |
| msb_ | No, you are willing to lie about everything. | Aug 06 18:01 |
| MinceR | this also shows that you're unwilling to do your research | Aug 06 18:01 |
| msb_ | It's impossible to have a rational discussion with you because you keep making things up. | Aug 06 18:01 |
| MinceR | you're only willing to read garbage "news" sites that relay putin's propaganda | Aug 06 18:01 |
| MinceR | and you pretend that's the whole truth there is | Aug 06 18:01 |
| MinceR | it's impossible to have a rational discussion with you because you're infatuated with putin and other dictators | Aug 06 18:02 |
| msb_ | MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT WHAT I THINK. | Aug 06 18:02 |
| MinceR | you ignore everything that doesn't support your fantasies | Aug 06 18:02 |
| msb_ | I give articles reporting actual facts. | Aug 06 18:03 |
| msb_ | You give articles from the fascist empire that imagine Putin's intentions. | Aug 06 18:03 |
| MinceR | no, you give articles that repeat lies from putin's propaganda machine | Aug 06 18:03 |
| MinceR | you also ignore where putin comes from | Aug 06 18:04 |
| msb_ | You trust corporate/govt media. I trust independent media. | Aug 06 18:04 |
| msb_ | It doesn't matter where he came from . What matters is what he actually does. | Aug 06 18:05 |
| MinceR | you trust russian government media and sites that repost any ludicrous bullshit they can find and pretend it's independent | Aug 06 18:05 |
| msb_ | The non-Russian sites that I quote give actual facts, testimony and pictures. | Aug 06 18:06 |
| msb_ | MinceR: You only quote corporate/govt/fascist sites that give unproven claims and speculation. | Aug 06 18:06 |
| MinceR | msb_: you label any site that says something you don't like as fascist | Aug 06 18:07 |
| MinceR | msb_: you label everyone who disagrees with you as fascist and/or nazi | Aug 06 18:07 |
| MinceR | it is impossible to have an honest, reasonable discussion with you | Aug 06 18:07 |
| msb_ | No, I label as fascist corporate/govt sites. | Aug 06 18:07 |
| MinceR | (interestingly, the russian commies also labeled everyone who disagreed with them as fascist) | Aug 06 18:07 |
| msb_ | Because they provably lie. | Aug 06 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | http://learnbonds.com/122316/microsoft-corporation-msft-windows-10-is-murdering-some-pcs/ | Aug 06 18:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-learnbonds.com | Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) Windows 10 Upgrade Renders PCs Unusable [ http://ur1.ca/nde5q ] | Aug 06 18:07 | |
| MinceR | where "provably" means "gainsaid by a site that also believes that chemtrails exist and vaccines cause autism" | Aug 06 18:08 |
| MinceR | msb_: you scream about a few nazis in the ukrainian government while turning a blind eye to how the russian government tramples human rights and colludes with a cult | Aug 06 18:09 |
| msb_ | Did you watch the videos on http://geoengineeringwatch.org/ ? | Aug 06 18:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geoengineeringwatch.org | Geoengineering Watch | Exposing the climate engineering/geoengineering cover-up | Aug 06 18:09 | |
| MinceR | i've seen enough chemtrail bullshit already | Aug 06 18:09 |
| msb_ | So no, you refuse to access the evidence. | Aug 06 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | He could have re-installed Windows 7 and then tried to upgrade to Windows 10 again. | Aug 06 18:09 |
| MinceR | msb_: you lie. | Aug 06 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | Even if the recovery partition is messed up, you can do it from an ISO and just enter the serial that's in your BIOS. | Aug 06 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, you'd have to know that. | Aug 06 18:10 |
| msb_ | There are dozens of videos showing kids that were made autistic by vaccines. | Aug 06 18:10 |
| MinceR | there are dozens of videos showing kids and alleging that they were made autistic by vaccines | Aug 06 18:11 |
| MinceR | fixed that for you | Aug 06 18:11 |
| msb_ | MinceR: So you simply refuse to believe any evidence I give you. | Aug 06 18:11 |
| MinceR | nutcases blabber on about how the mercury in thiomersal turns kids autistic, even though it's absent from most vaccines and is not elemental mercury | Aug 06 18:12 |
| MinceR | msb_: i simply refuse to believe bullshit that is not evidence. | Aug 06 18:12 |
| msb_ | Non-elemental mercury: http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19970914&slug=2560362 | Aug 06 18:13 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/gadgets/hackers-stealing-data-ios-major-security-flaw-n405061 | Aug 06 18:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nbcnews.com | Hackers Stealing Data on iOS Via Major Security Flaw - NBC News [ http://ur1.ca/nde9e ] | Aug 06 18:17 | |
| DaemonFC | "Hackers are taking advantage of vulnerability in Apple's iOS mobile operating system to install malicious software disguised as popular apps such as Facebook, Twitter and WhatsApp to steal personal information. | Aug 06 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | The installation happens when a user clicks a link that may have been sent to them via email, text message or even a fake advertisement on a website, according to a new report by cybersecurity firm FireEye. | Aug 06 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | A fake and malicious app is installed that looks like the legitimate version on a user's device. And unlike the normal version of the app, the hacker's version can steal sensitive information and send it back to a remote server. " | Aug 06 18:17 |
| MinceR | msb_: sorry, i don't have any more time to deal with your lies and propaganda, i have errands to run | Aug 06 18:17 |
| msb_ | Be careful you don't get run over by a bus. | Aug 06 18:18 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx13ZBHMSG4ST1U | Aug 06 18:34 |
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| schestowitz | [18:08] <MinceR> where "provably" means "gainsaid by a site that also believes that chemtrails exist and vaccines cause autism" | Aug 06 19:11 |
| schestowitz | I just caught up with this long conversation | Aug 06 19:11 |
| schestowitz | the sites msb_ recommends hardly promote these theories | Aug 06 19:11 |
| schestowitz | unless he advocates sites not in the list he gave | Aug 06 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Putin did prepare nukes when the ukraine conflict started | Aug 06 19:12 |
| schestowitz | as a backup plan or just in case | Aug 06 19:12 |
| schestowitz | what he's alleged to have said was covered in CIA-leaning sites | Aug 06 19:12 |
| schestowitz | even the Torygraph | Aug 06 19:12 |
| schestowitz | I think the point he was making is, IF he wanted, he could invade | Aug 06 19:12 |
| schestowitz | but that doesn't mean that he will invade | Aug 06 19:12 |
| schestowitz | I think he's a real dick (putinin), but not much worse than US oligarchs | Aug 06 19:13 |
| schestowitz | he was in KGB for many years, he's not dumb | Aug 06 19:13 |
| msb_ | Correct. And everything between Russia and Ukraine was quiet until the US installed the Nazi govt in Ukraine. | Aug 06 19:14 |
| schestowitz | NATO still wants to crush his nations, he can't just totally sit idly while US engages in espionage against Russia | Aug 06 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Snowden's leaks and Wikileaks before him show just how actively the US tries to derail BRIC nations | Aug 06 19:14 |
| schestowitz | even allies like India | Aug 06 19:14 |
| schestowitz | They're all major "targets" | Aug 06 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Russians would be wise to do counterespionage (there's another term for it in German) | Aug 06 19:15 |
| schestowitz | there's a fancy word for it | Aug 06 19:15 |
| schestowitz | when it's sort of done defensively | Aug 06 19:15 |
| schestowitz | like cracking that who spies on you to see how he or she breaks into your systems | Aug 06 19:15 |
| schestowitz | US did some of that in NK | Aug 06 19:15 |
| schestowitz | before hypocritically accusing NK of breaking into Sony (then China re OPM, after NSA had cracked Huawei and CN gov.) | Aug 06 19:16 |
| schestowitz | I'm more afraid of Russia than the US | Aug 06 19:16 |
| schestowitz | but US is currently far more destructive than Russia, and far more powerful | Aug 06 19:16 |
| msb_ | Well, the US isn't going to attack England. | Aug 06 19:16 |
| schestowitz | right | Aug 06 19:16 |
| schestowitz | if I was in Hungary, I'd be thinking more like MinceR | Aug 06 19:17 |
| schestowitz | east Europe is treated like the lost treasures of USSR, which Putin served while in KGB | Aug 06 19:17 |
| schestowitz | Same with Alaska | Aug 06 19:17 |
| msb_ | He thinks that way because of Soviet actions against Hungary 60 years ago. | Aug 06 19:18 |
| msb_ | He admits it. | Aug 06 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Historically, the Russia-Scotland-England situation is tricky | Aug 06 19:18 |
| schestowitz | like Cuban missile crisis | Aug 06 19:18 |
| schestowitz | and our stupid Tory leaders compare Putin to Hitler | Aug 06 19:18 |
| schestowitz | who attacked USSR | Aug 06 19:18 |
| schestowitz | killing 10 million Russians | Aug 06 19:18 |
| schestowitz | As if Cameron and the 'royal' family aren't being provocative | Aug 06 19:19 |
| msb_ | The Cuban missile crisis was actually the NATO missile crisis. | Aug 06 19:19 |
| msb_ | More like 20-30 million. | Aug 06 19:19 |
| schestowitz | if anything, it's them who have blood relation/proximity to Hitler | Aug 06 19:19 |
| schestowitz | inc. political support pre-ww2 | Aug 06 19:19 |
| schestowitz | msb_: depends if you also count Stalin killing his own people | Aug 06 19:19 |
| msb_ | Wealthy US businessmen financed Hitler 75%. I've given the url. | Aug 06 19:20 |
| schestowitz | or if you factor that in as externality of war time | Aug 06 19:20 |
| schestowitz | msb_: not all of them | Aug 06 19:20 |
| schestowitz | but some | Aug 06 19:20 |
| schestowitz | some with german roots, I suppose | Aug 06 19:20 |
| msb_ | right | Aug 06 19:20 |
| schestowitz | or west european | Aug 06 19:20 |
| schestowitz | same goes for Brits | Aug 06 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Some Nazis were openly pro-hitler inside the UK | Aug 06 19:20 |
| schestowitz | But it's embarrassing even for them after the wat | Aug 06 19:21 |
| schestowitz | *war | Aug 06 19:21 |
| schestowitz | The US was pro-Nazi in German ethnic sections | Aug 06 19:21 |
| msb_ | http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_Nazis | Aug 06 19:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone | Aug 06 19:21 | |
| schestowitz | To the point of doing lots of the same Nazis did in the early 30s | Aug 06 19:21 |
| schestowitz | this too isn't talked about much | Aug 06 19:21 |
| msb_ | Those American businessmen financed Hitler to destroy socialism. | Aug 06 19:22 |
| msb_ | It had nothing to do with German ethnicity. | Aug 06 19:22 |
| schestowitz | you could be in some city in the US, seeing blacks lynched one day and Jews beaten up on another, the US was very racist at the time | Aug 06 19:22 |
| schestowitz | not socialism | Aug 06 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Hitler was National Socialist | Aug 06 19:22 |
| schestowitz | neither left nor right, he claimed | Aug 06 19:22 |
| msb_ | They didn't want countries to go socialist because it would kill their profits. | Aug 06 19:22 |
| schestowitz | maybe you mean communist | Aug 06 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Bolsheviks | Aug 06 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Marxist | Aug 06 19:23 |
| msb_ | "National Socialist" was a lying propaganda term. | Aug 06 19:23 |
| schestowitz | it's what they called themselves | Aug 06 19:23 |
| msb_ | They called themselves that because socialism was popular at the time. | Aug 06 19:23 |
| schestowitz | that's like saying Democrats don't believe they promote democracy | Aug 06 19:23 |
| msb_ | But they killed socialists everywhere they could. | Aug 06 19:24 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: I think that's how US democrats work. | Aug 06 19:24 |
| schestowitz | Bolsheviks | Aug 06 19:24 |
| XRevan86 | labels != ideas | Aug 06 19:24 |
| schestowitz | groups that were pro-Marxist were hounded | Aug 06 19:24 |
| msb_ | Socialism kills the 99% profits going to the 1% capitalist owners | Aug 06 19:24 |
| schestowitz | See who's blamed for Reichstag fire | Aug 06 19:25 |
| XRevan86 | It's like saying North Korea is communist because they like red. | Aug 06 19:25 |
| msb_ | That's why capitalists attacked socialists/communists/Marxists. | Aug 06 19:25 |
| schestowitz | so it goes to 1% of the pyramid schemers in so-called marxism | Aug 06 19:25 |
| schestowitz | !google list of russian oligarchs | Aug 06 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Russian oligarch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_oligarch | Aug 06 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - List of Russian people by net worth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_people_by_net_worth | Aug 06 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - The Russian Oligarchs | Who's living the most obscenely ... | http://www.therussianoligarchs.com/ | Aug 06 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Russian oligarchs that own western companies - Business Insider | http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-oligarchs-that-own-western-companies-2015-2%3Fop%3D1 | Aug 06 19:25 |
| msb_ | Not in Venezuela, Libya, Vietnam, Cuba | Aug 06 19:26 |
| schestowitz | XRevan86: they call themselves people's and democracy | Aug 06 19:26 |
| schestowitz | they're like singapore | Aug 06 19:26 |
| schestowitz | necropoly | Aug 06 19:26 |
| schestowitz | worshiping that arsehole who claims to have founded Singapore | Aug 06 19:26 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: That doesn't make them democratic, right? | Aug 06 19:26 |
| schestowitz | meaning, separated the city from Malaysia | Aug 06 19:26 |
| msb_ | There are actual real socialist nations, where the profits go to the workers. | Aug 06 19:27 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: And so Nazi Germany can take their socialism claims where they got them. | Aug 06 19:27 |
| XRevan86 | (21:25:20) schestowitz: so it goes to 1% of the pyramid schemers in so-called marxism | Aug 06 19:27 |
| XRevan86 | (21:25:28) schestowitz: !google list of russian oligarchs | Aug 06 19:27 |
| XRevan86 | that I don't understand | Aug 06 19:27 |
| schestowitz | fascism and socialism are labels | Aug 06 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Did Stalin and Lenon use these? | Aug 06 19:28 |
| msb_ | But they are labels of opposites. | Aug 06 19:28 |
| schestowitz | *Lenin | Aug 06 19:28 |
| msb_ | Fascism=Corporatism has the profits going to the richest 0.1% | Aug 06 19:28 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Imagine there's no countries :) | Aug 06 19:28 |
| XRevan86 | and no religion too | Aug 06 19:28 |
| msb_ | Socialism distributes profits fairly equally among everyone. | Aug 06 19:28 |
| schestowitz | msb_: that's not what fascism is | Aug 06 19:28 |
| schestowitz | it's what it often becomes in practice | Aug 06 19:29 |
| schestowitz | esp. in NATO | Aug 06 19:29 |
| msb_ | That's what it was in Germany. | Aug 06 19:29 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Terms can easily be misused. And that's what is being done a lot. | Aug 06 19:29 |
| msb_ | That | Aug 06 19:29 |
| schestowitz | there's classic definition | Aug 06 19:29 |
| schestowitz | when they're made up | Aug 06 19:29 |
| msb_ | That's why those wealthy americans supported it. | Aug 06 19:29 |
| schestowitz | then de facto | Aug 06 19:29 |
| schestowitz | and distorted, present | Aug 06 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Now the word "libertarian" means something like Rand and Ron Paul | Aug 06 19:30 |
| schestowitz | who are more like GOP in terms of many of their policies | Aug 06 19:30 |
| schestowitz | !google chomsky explains libertarian | Aug 06 19:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Noam Chomsky Explains Libertarian Socialism - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DsCN7Ykle4r0 | Aug 06 19:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Noam Chomsky educates AnCap about Libertarianism - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DGUs_Q_rfl9I | Aug 06 19:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Noam Chomsky on Libertarians and Ron Paul - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DAwQEgOKEEXI | Aug 06 19:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Noam Chomsky: The Kind of Anarchism I Believe in, and What's ... | http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/noam-chomsky-kind-anarchism-i-believe-and-whats-wrong-libertarians | Aug 06 19:30 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Totally unrelated to the present discussion. | Aug 06 19:31 |
| schestowitz | right now anarchism just alludes to primitivist sub-type | Aug 06 19:31 |
| schestowitz | like Unabomber | Aug 06 19:31 |
| msb_ | Hitler attacked the USSR and murdered 20 million. | Aug 06 19:31 |
| schestowitz | 10m troops | Aug 06 19:31 |
| msb_ | XRevan86 says 30 million. | Aug 06 19:31 |
| schestowitz | a little short of that | Aug 06 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Stalin 'helped' by killing his own people, and east Europeans whom he deemed unworthy of life | Aug 06 19:31 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties | Aug 06 19:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | World War II casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/ikzcj ] | Aug 06 19:32 | |
| msb_ | If the Nazis had been socialists they would not have attacked the USSR. | Aug 06 19:33 |
| MinceR | i think the current situation with russia proves that russia didn't change at all and didn't learn anything since the soviet union existed. | Aug 06 19:33 |
| schestowitz | "Officially, roughly 8.7 million Soviet soldiers died in the course of the war." | Aug 06 19:33 |
| MinceR | and that should be worrying to everyone in the civilized world | Aug 06 19:33 |
| msb_ | Plus many Russian civilians. | Aug 06 19:34 |
| MinceR | 202353 < msb_> They called themselves that because socialism was popular at the time. | Aug 06 19:34 |
| MinceR | yet fascism and state socialism function very similarly | Aug 06 19:34 |
| MinceR | in practice | Aug 06 19:34 |
| msb_ | Not in Venezuela, Libya, Vietnam, Cuba | Aug 06 19:35 |
| MinceR | afaik the north korean regime and ideology descends from the brand of state socialism that russia promoted | Aug 06 19:35 |
| MinceR | afaik venezuela and cuba are little different | Aug 06 19:36 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: No, you're wrong. | Aug 06 19:36 |
| MinceR | i haven't looked into libya too deeply yet (apparently they called themselves socialist) | Aug 06 19:36 |
| XRevan86 | What else can I answer to all that categorical stuff? | Aug 06 19:36 |
| MinceR | vietnam seems to be pursuing a methodology similar to that of red china | Aug 06 19:36 |
| msb_ | In those nations ordinary working people get most of the profits. | Aug 06 19:37 |
| schestowitz | is there a non-red China? | Aug 06 19:37 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: you could take a page from msb_'s book and flat out scream that i'm lying. | Aug 06 19:37 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: yes, the republic of china, also known as taiwan | Aug 06 19:37 |
| schestowitz | ah, rpc? | Aug 06 19:37 |
| schestowitz | taiwan claims independence | Aug 06 19:37 |
| schestowitz | and would fight for it (people would) | Aug 06 19:37 |
| schestowitz | but china keeps them boiling like a frog in the pot | Aug 06 19:37 |
| XRevan86 | > afaik the north korean regime and ideology descends from the brand of state socialism that russia promoted | Aug 06 19:38 |
| schestowitz | they got em by the balls, taipei has high gdp and prides itself in the national brand, might as well use the "taiwan" name for marketing | Aug 06 19:38 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: "Cargo cult" descends from civilization in a similiar way. | Aug 06 19:38 |
| *schestowitz thought NK -like VT - inspired mostly by Chinese across the border, not Russia | Aug 06 19:39 | |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: You can call China a proxy here :). | Aug 06 19:39 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: ROC | Aug 06 19:39 |
| schestowitz | curve | Aug 06 19:39 |
| MinceR | afaik they don't have enough of an army to fight red china | Aug 06 19:39 |
| XRevan86 | or chinese whispers, heh | Aug 06 19:40 |
| schestowitz | but they can do guerilla war | Aug 06 19:40 |
| MinceR | (afaik pretty much nobody has in the region, except maybe russia) | Aug 06 19:40 |
| schestowitz | like Vietcong did to defeat the US and drive them out of the peninsula | Aug 06 19:40 |
| msb_ | Look at all the attacks on socialist nations and leaders by the US. See the 55 chapter headings: http://williamblum.org/books/killing-hope | Aug 06 19:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-williamblum.org | Killing Hope – William Blum [ http://ur1.ca/ndf5y ] | Aug 06 19:40 | |
| schestowitz | they don't need to invade china, just reduce the incentive to occupy by upping the occupiers' cost (consent at home, bodycount, material cost) | Aug 06 19:41 |
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| msb_ | There's only one thing in common in all of those dozens of US attacks on socialists. The desire to kill socialism so the 1% capitalist owners get the profits instead of the 99% working people. | Aug 06 19:43 |
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| MinceR | if we overlook the fact that in state socialism, pretty much all the profit goes to the dictator/inner party | Aug 06 19:43 |
| MinceR | nominally of course they own everything on behalf of the people | Aug 06 19:44 |
| MinceR | but as one of the people you get to discuss that with the [secret] police | Aug 06 19:44 |
| XRevan86 | That reminds me of party's gold thing :). | Aug 06 19:45 |
| MinceR | in america, you can always find a party. | Aug 06 19:45 |
| MinceR | in soviet russia, the party can always find you. | Aug 06 19:45 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Your information is outdated. | Aug 06 19:45 |
| msb_ | But most of those other socialist nations were not organized like the USSR. | Aug 06 19:46 |
| msb_ | Cuba gives most of the profits to the workers, even though it limits freedoms because of constant attacks and infiltrations by the US. | Aug 06 19:46 |
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| MinceR | i doubt that | Aug 06 19:47 |
| MinceR | it certainly wasn't that way in hungary. | Aug 06 19:47 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Of course you do. You have a one-track mind and you refuse to examine evidence. You think every nation is like Hungary. | Aug 06 19:48 |
| MinceR | msb_: stop lying. | Aug 06 19:48 |
| msb_ | Good luck. You will take your delusions with you to your grave. | Aug 06 19:48 |
| XRevan86 | I tend to think Soviet Union died in times of Brezhnev. | Aug 06 19:48 |
| MinceR | it seems it hasn't died at all | Aug 06 19:49 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I think we have two different things called USSR in our heads. | Aug 06 19:49 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Putin is hiding under your bed and HE'S GOING TO GET YOU!!! | Aug 06 19:49 |
| MinceR | the official statements and labels of dictatorships are usually lies. | Aug 06 19:49 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Maybe because we concentrate on different eras. | Aug 06 19:50 |
| MinceR | msb_: his retinue wouldn't fit under my bed. | Aug 06 19:50 |
| msb_ | They are hiding up your ass. | Aug 06 19:50 |
| MinceR | they fit there even less. | Aug 06 19:50 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Also did you the term sovok? | Aug 06 19:51 |
| msb_ | Your ass is so tight only dogs can hear you fart. | Aug 06 19:51 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: doesn't ring a bell | Aug 06 19:51 |
| XRevan86 | did the heard* | Aug 06 19:51 |
| MinceR | msb_: if you don't stop the personal attacks, you will be removed from the channel. | Aug 06 19:51 |
| msb_ | MinceR: You are the one who started the personal attacks, shitpig. | Aug 06 19:52 |
| *MinceR sets ban on *!*msb_@*.hsd1.ca.comcast.net | Aug 06 19:52 | |
| *MinceR has kicked msb_ from #techrights (told you so.) | Aug 06 19:52 | |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: That's what Russians call the worst USSR way of thinking. | Aug 06 19:52 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: come on, we don't kick people out for differing opinions | Aug 06 19:52 |
| schestowitz | it just makes us look bad | Aug 06 19:52 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: i didn't kick him for differing opinions. | Aug 06 19:53 |
| MinceR | i kicked him for being a barbaric asshole. | Aug 06 19:53 |
| MinceR | notice that i also didn't kick him for being a deluded fascist. | Aug 06 19:53 |
| schestowitz | don't ban anyway | Aug 06 19:53 |
| schestowitz | next time ignore him | Aug 06 19:53 |
| schestowitz | he's full of crazy stuff in his mind sometimes | Aug 06 19:54 |
| schestowitz | but you're not obliged to interact | Aug 06 19:54 |
| schestowitz | I usually sigh and ignore | Aug 06 19:54 |
| MinceR | he always escalates. | Aug 06 19:55 |
| cubexyz | it's been a while since anyone's been kicked | Aug 06 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3081424 | Aug 06 19:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-support.microsoft.com | [ http://ur1.ca/ndfcs ] | Aug 06 19:57 | |
| DaemonFC | The first Windows 10 mega patch is here. | Aug 06 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | It looks like a whopper considering the number of files that it replaces. | Aug 06 19:57 |
| MinceR | of course, none of that can be displayed without javascript | Aug 06 19:58 |
| MinceR | "static html? what's that?" | Aug 06 19:58 |
| MinceR | -- microsoft | Aug 06 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.computerworld.com/article/2960315/microsoft-windows/windows-10-service-release-1-sr1-kb3081424-itbwcw.html | Aug 06 19:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.computerworld.com | Windows 10 Service Release 1 -- after just one week. Really, Microsoft? | Computerworld [ http://ur1.ca/ndfdj ] | Aug 06 19:58 | |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: What does that change? | Aug 06 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft doesn't say what it fixes. | Aug 06 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.computerworld.com/article/2960315/microsoft-windows/windows-10-service-release-1-sr1-kb3081424-itbwcw.html | Aug 06 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | Paul Thurrott says "a ton of small fixes". | Aug 06 20:00 |
| MinceR | they don't have to, you don't get to refuse "updates" anymore :> | Aug 06 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/5094/microsoft-delivers-windows-10-sr1 | Aug 06 20:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thurrott.com | Microsoft Delivers Windows 10 SR1 - Thurrott.com [ http://ur1.ca/ndfeg ] | Aug 06 20:00 | |
| MinceR | donate your pc to microsoft -- install vista10 now! | Aug 06 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | I did set it to ask me before it reboots though. | Aug 06 20:01 |
| MinceR | (also, your electricity) | Aug 06 20:01 |
| cubexyz | and your bandwidth :) | Aug 06 20:01 |
| MinceR | yeah | Aug 06 20:01 |
| MinceR | and your hardware maintenance | Aug 06 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | "While this is certainly a large update, weighing in at about 325 MB, it is of course not the first update to Windows 10: Microsoft has been issuing fixes and other updates for the system since it sort-of-not-really-wink-wink RTM’d last month. But it’s also not clear exactly what’s in this update, despite a long change list on the KB page." | Aug 06 20:02 |
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| DaemonFC | http://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2015/08/microsoft-wants-you-to-pay-12-for-dvd-playback-in-windows-10/ | Aug 06 20:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.co.uk | Microsoft wants you to pay £12 for DVD playback in Windows 10 | Ars Technica UK [ http://ur1.ca/ndfn2 ] | Aug 06 20:20 | |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft removes Windows Media Center. If you had it, they'll give you a simple DVD player app in its place. | Aug 06 20:20 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: So Windows users will simply use Kodi, right? | Aug 06 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | VLC works. | Aug 06 20:22 |
| MinceR | they'll hopefully upgrade to gnu/linux | Aug 06 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft wants $15 for the DVD player app. | Aug 06 20:22 |
| MinceR | (not systemd/linux) | Aug 06 20:22 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: Kodi seems to be a better replacement for "Media Center" thingy. | Aug 06 20:22 |
| XRevan86 | and to play videos, yes, everything will do. | Aug 06 20:23 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: If Windows users would install systemd/Linux, will you consider that an improvement? :) | Aug 06 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | "for every DVD player that Microsoft ships or sells, it has to pay a fairly large fee to include licence-encumbered codecs such as MPEG-2." | Aug 06 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | Yet those codecs are already part of Windows anyway, even without DVD playback. | Aug 06 20:23 |
| XRevan86 | DaemonFC: They'll have to pay to themselves? | Aug 06 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | Presumably, Microsoft paid the license fee whether or not you have the DVD player. | Aug 06 20:24 |
| XRevan86 | Microsoft news: software department transacts 9000$ to the patent trolling department. | Aug 06 20:25 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: perhaps a slight improvement for a while yet | Aug 06 20:25 |
| MinceR | systemd/Linux is getting worse | Aug 06 20:26 |
| MinceR | then again, so's vista | Aug 06 20:26 |
| XRevan86 | Microsoft news: patent trolling department buys Microsoft Windows from software department for 9000$. | Aug 06 20:26 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 06 20:26 |
| MinceR | maybe they'll price the DVD player at $9900, give you a "discount" so you only have to pay $900 and then count it as "charity" with a value of $9000 | Aug 06 20:27 |
| XRevan86 | Microsoft news: crapware^W software department saves Microsoft 9000$ installations by removing the DVD player. | Aug 06 20:29 |
| MinceR | :) | Aug 06 20:29 |
| XRevan86 | s/installations // | Aug 06 20:29 |
| XRevan86 | > perhaps a slight improvement for a while yet | Aug 06 20:31 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Can I tell Arch users that Windows 10 is just as good then? %) | Aug 06 20:31 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 06 20:31 |
| MinceR | i don't know | Aug 06 20:31 |
| cubexyz | I'd say Linux with systemd is still better than windows 10 | Aug 06 20:32 |
| MinceR | the fundamental design principles are the same | Aug 06 20:32 |
| cubexyz | windows 10 doesn't come with source code | Aug 06 20:32 |
| MinceR | "make everything as complicated as possible, but no simpler" | Aug 06 20:32 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Then "Arch fundamentally is Windows 10" | Aug 06 20:32 |
| MinceR | systemd comes with unreadable source code | Aug 06 20:32 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's pretty readable even for a C program. | Aug 06 20:33 |
| MinceR | i guess i'm used to better coding standards | Aug 06 20:33 |
| XRevan86 | I've only seen OpenRC and systemd source codes. | Aug 06 20:35 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: What would you recommend? | Aug 06 20:35 |
| MinceR | pretty much any simple init you like, though i suspect that openrc is the best for linux | Aug 06 20:36 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I mean, source code. | Aug 06 20:36 |
| MinceR | coding standards? | Aug 06 20:36 |
| XRevan86 | Because OpenRC's one is a mess. | Aug 06 20:36 |
| MinceR | i haven't looked at openrc's source code yet | Aug 06 20:36 |
| XRevan86 | https://github.com/OpenRC/openrc | Aug 06 20:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | OpenRC/openrc · GitHub | Aug 06 20:37 | |
| XRevan86 | But OpenRC itself is pretty nice, yeah. | Aug 06 20:39 |
| cubexyz | I was thinking it would be neat if some distro just asked you which init system you wanted | Aug 06 20:47 |
| MinceR | indeed | Aug 06 20:47 |
| MinceR | gentoo pretty much does that | Aug 06 20:48 |
| MinceR | and so does LFS | Aug 06 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/08/buying-open-box-item-at-best-buy-you-might-get-the-previous-owners-login/ | Aug 06 20:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Best Buy fails to erase some returned devices before re-selling them | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/ndcm9 ] | Aug 06 20:49 | |
| DaemonFC | I got my phone at Best Buy, mostly because there's a special plan that you can only get there. | Aug 06 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | Sprint doesn't make it very obvious because it's the same plan they want to sell you for an additional $5 a month. | Aug 06 20:50 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: And Debian+Devuan is a choice. | Aug 06 20:53 |
| MinceR | yeah | Aug 06 20:54 |
| MinceR | at least if devuan manages to remove the filth | Aug 06 20:54 |
| MinceR | on 2015-07-19, there still were pieces held in by dependencies | Aug 06 20:55 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: From what I've seen in packages.devuan.org, they did remove systemd-shim. | Aug 06 20:55 |
| msb_ | How do you run apps that are dependent on systemd without some kinds of shims? | Aug 06 20:56 |
| MinceR | patch them to make them independent | Aug 06 20:56 |
| msb_ | Patch every app? Ridiculous. | Aug 06 20:56 |
| msb_ | When they are updated you have to patch them all again. | Aug 06 20:57 |
| MinceR | or patch them and fork them | Aug 06 20:57 |
| cubexyz | what app has to have systemd? | Aug 06 20:57 |
| MinceR | this is the situation red crap has put us into | Aug 06 20:57 |
| MinceR | on devuan, when i last tried, cups, gvfs, hplip and others depended on libsystemd0 | Aug 06 20:58 |
| msb_ | If you fork them you have to update the fork whenever the main code is updated. | Aug 06 20:58 |
| MinceR | systemd (and logind included) can be removed and the system and xfce still works | Aug 06 20:58 |
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| cubexyz | why does cups need systemd? | Aug 06 20:59 |
| MinceR | you don't _have_ to, but you might want to adopt features | Aug 06 20:59 |
| cubexyz | surely you can compile it without it | Aug 06 20:59 |
| MinceR | cubexyz: not sure, maybe logging | Aug 06 20:59 |
| MinceR | you can | Aug 06 20:59 |
| MinceR | afaik a significant part of the devuan effort is reconfiguring and rebuilding packages | Aug 06 20:59 |
| MinceR | so they don't depend on systemd parts | Aug 06 20:59 |
| MinceR | source distros have an advantage here, as you can usually tell them to omit dependencies to poetteringware and not install poetteringware | Aug 06 21:00 |
| MinceR | 215906 <@MinceR> you don't _have_ to, but you might want to adopt features | Aug 06 21:00 |
| MinceR | ...and bugfixes | Aug 06 21:00 |
| XRevan86 | > libsystemd0 | Aug 06 21:00 |
| msb_ | I updated skype, but don't have pulseaudio, so I use a fake-pulseaudio shim and it works fine. (Yeah I know skype is from Satan.) | Aug 06 21:00 |
| msb_ | That's the way to do it. | Aug 06 21:01 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's unreasonably hard to remove libsystemd dependency from all apps. | Aug 06 21:01 |
| MinceR | indeed | Aug 06 21:01 |
| XRevan86 | I mean, it is unreasonable to even try to remove that dep. | Aug 06 21:01 |
| MinceR | it's probably deliberate | Aug 06 21:01 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: An even library that does nothing without systemd? | Aug 06 21:01 |
| XRevan86 | * an evil | Aug 06 21:01 |
| msb_ | If the devuan devs are spending their time patching apps, their going to get tired of it and the whole thing will fail. | Aug 06 21:01 |
| msb_ | their -> they're | Aug 06 21:02 |
| XRevan86 | 1. pointless (just to get dpkg -l | grep systemd | wc -l show zero) 2. very hard to maintain | Aug 06 21:02 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: it wastes space, memory, etc. | Aug 06 21:03 |
| MinceR | it has no business existing on a free unix. | Aug 06 21:03 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: How many kilobytes? | Aug 06 21:03 |
| MinceR | i don't care | Aug 06 21:03 |
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| MinceR | i don't need poettering marking my computer as his territory. | Aug 06 21:03 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: If you really care about that, you have to use Gentoo. | Aug 06 21:03 |
| MinceR | i'll probably use funtoo | Aug 06 21:03 |
| XRevan86 | where you can configure with what libraries to link | Aug 06 21:04 |
| MinceR | along with bedrock and slackware and/or devuan | Aug 06 21:04 |
| XRevan86 | to save not even kilobytes | Aug 06 21:04 |
| XRevan86 | but megabytes | Aug 06 21:04 |
| MinceR | on servers, devuan or slackware will probably do | Aug 06 21:04 |
| msb_ | worrying about megabytes is pointless. Any good machine has at least a GB of ram and a TB of disk | Aug 06 21:05 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: What I mean is that Debian "wastes" megabytes of space for things you'll never use. | Aug 06 21:05 |
| MinceR | i can use those megabytes for things that matter | Aug 06 21:05 |
| XRevan86 | and libsystemd is so damn tiny in front of that | Aug 06 21:05 |
| MinceR | instead of treating my systems as the landfill where redcrap gets to dump their crap. | Aug 06 21:05 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I'm not even defending systemd now, you know. | Aug 06 21:06 |
| msb_ | buy another ram stick for god's sake | Aug 06 21:06 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: i could potentially use those things. i will never have any use for libsystemd. | Aug 06 21:06 |
| MinceR | not every system can receive "another ram stick" | Aug 06 21:06 |
| MinceR | some ultrabooks only have 1 slot. | Aug 06 21:06 |
| MinceR | also, libsystemd also consumes battery power to decide that it has nothing to do | Aug 06 21:07 |
| msb_ | If it has less than 1GB you should throw it away | Aug 06 21:07 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Because you accusation sounds like "stops doing libraries I don't like!". | Aug 06 21:07 |
| XRevan86 | your* | Aug 06 21:07 |
| MinceR | it makes more sense to remove the crap than to carry extra batteries. | Aug 06 21:07 |
| msb_ | Stomp on one side and use it as a doorstop. | Aug 06 21:07 |
| XRevan86 | like "stop libjack, I use plain ALSA" | Aug 06 21:07 |
| MinceR | msb_: lol | Aug 06 21:07 |
| MinceR | i think the memory module would break if i did that | Aug 06 21:08 |
| MinceR | it wouldn't bend | Aug 06 21:08 |
| msb_ | The door won't mind. | Aug 06 21:08 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: And the only way to purge libjack from your system is to use Gentoo. | Aug 06 21:08 |
| MinceR | also, this kind of stuff matters on raspberry pi-s | Aug 06 21:09 |
| MinceR | and other ARM SBC-s | Aug 06 21:09 |
| MinceR | also in chroots running on android devices | Aug 06 21:09 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: These wouldn't notice a loose kilobyte as well. | Aug 06 21:09 |
| msb_ | Yeah, we want to make sure Linux runs on SBCs for the poor people of the world. | Aug 06 21:09 |
| MinceR | another issue is that if you have libsystemd, you have to trust poettering's code | Aug 06 21:10 |
| msb_ | Everyone should have a computer. | Aug 06 21:10 |
| XRevan86 | and deploying gentoo there is way to tricky, it's easier to just stop counting libraries | Aug 06 21:10 |
| MinceR | and yes, it also matters on old computers | Aug 06 21:10 |
| XRevan86 | too tricky* | Aug 06 21:10 |
| MinceR | i don't need to count libraries, i just need to disable stuff that comes from an evil company. | Aug 06 21:10 |
| msb_ | I'm not saying use libsystemd. I'm saying use shims that are short and simple. | Aug 06 21:10 |
| MinceR | i have no use for shims | Aug 06 21:11 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I'm afraid to say that but RedHat made way too many commits all across GNU/Linux. | Aug 06 21:11 |
| MinceR | poettering's APIs are toxic and crap, i don't need or want implementations of them | Aug 06 21:11 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: yeah, but most of those happened before they went berserk. | Aug 06 21:11 |
| MinceR | eventually GNU/Linux will probably need to be cleaned up | Aug 06 21:11 |
| msb_ | If you don't use shims, then every time every app is updated, you have to update the patched version of it. And test it. All 10,000 of them. | Aug 06 21:13 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Do you know the initial purpose of the systemd creation? | Aug 06 21:13 |
| MinceR | hopefully sane apps will avoid this whole mess | Aug 06 21:13 |
| msb_ | That's too much to hope for. | Aug 06 21:13 |
| cubexyz | yeah I definitely don't want to see bash-systemd | Aug 06 21:13 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: not sure -- to gain leverage other redcrap's competitors, to give nsa a place to dump their backdoors, etc? | Aug 06 21:13 |
| MinceR | that's systemd-bashd | Aug 06 21:13 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: It's pretty simple | Aug 06 21:13 |
| MinceR | and you get to start a shell via bashctl | Aug 06 21:14 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: So there's RHEL with Upstart | Aug 06 21:14 |
| msb_ | To sabotage Linux. | Aug 06 21:14 |
| XRevan86 | Canonical wants contributors to sign the Canonical fancy rights-giving agreement. | Aug 06 21:14 |
| msb_ | Because Linux helps people be free. | Aug 06 21:14 |
| MinceR | it would have been much cleaner if redcrap forked all the stuff they wanted in their windows imitation. | Aug 06 21:14 |
| MinceR | like Linux. | Aug 06 21:14 |
| XRevan86 | Red Hat doesn't want that but want to not waste fixes made for the enterprise stuff. | Aug 06 21:14 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: redcrap could have forked upstart and ignored the CLA. | Aug 06 21:15 |
| MinceR | even upstart has a less braindead design than systemd. | Aug 06 21:15 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: They've desided that Upstart is crap. | Aug 06 21:15 |
| MinceR | it is | Aug 06 21:15 |
| MinceR | but systemd is even worse | Aug 06 21:15 |
| MinceR | upstart abuses signals and ptrace | Aug 06 21:15 |
| MinceR | systemd hijacks the entire OS | Aug 06 21:15 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Look at systemd and Upstart from a user experience. | Aug 06 21:15 |
| XRevan86 | systemd is usable and Upstart is just an ugly mess. | Aug 06 21:16 |
| MinceR | i know the effects of poetteringware on user experience, mostly from pulseaudio, networkmanager and udisks2. | Aug 06 21:16 |
| MinceR | systemd is usable, but it's a horrible mess with all sorts of weird bugs | Aug 06 21:16 |
| MinceR | and all sorts of critical bugs too | Aug 06 21:16 |
| msb_ | XRevan86: That's not a valid way to look at that stuff. The engineering principles are vitally important. | Aug 06 21:16 |
| MinceR | fedora 15 had some really weird behaviors, but at the time i didn't know why. | Aug 06 21:16 |
| msb_ | So that you don't get terrible bugs. | Aug 06 21:17 |
| XRevan86 | msb_: That's a good way enough to explain why Red Hat didn't choose to fork Upstart. | Aug 06 21:17 |
| MinceR | they could have chosen to implement something better than upstart, instead of implementing something worse than upstart | Aug 06 21:17 |
| MinceR | also, i thought redcrap said they gave up on the desktop a while ago | Aug 06 21:18 |
| MinceR | so why the sudden ricing on servers that threatens availability? | Aug 06 21:18 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: What do you mean? | Aug 06 21:18 |
| msb_ | redhate is part of the corporate/govt/fascist complex. | Aug 06 21:18 |
| MinceR | "must boot faster", at all costs, including reliability | Aug 06 21:19 |
| MinceR | which is pretty much the opposite of what's desirable on a server | Aug 06 21:19 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Poettering says faster boot is collateral to "proper init design". | Aug 06 21:19 |
| MinceR | (reliability, deterministic boot, even if it takes a little longer, because they'll reboot only rarely) | Aug 06 21:19 |
| msb_ | The fascist complex is run by psychopaths, which have non-human insectoid software. | Aug 06 21:19 |
| MinceR | poettering is talking out of his ass. | Aug 06 21:19 |
| MinceR | he has no clue what "proper init design" even is | Aug 06 21:19 |
| MinceR | or proper software design, even | Aug 06 21:19 |
| MinceR | he has delusions of adequacy. | Aug 06 21:20 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Does that answer your question? | Aug 06 21:20 |
| MinceR | if he had a clue, he'd keep pid1 as simple and robust as possible. | Aug 06 21:20 |
| msb_ | The fascist insectoids view the entire human race as their enemy/prey/food. | Aug 06 21:20 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: which question? | Aug 06 21:20 |
| MinceR | i don't think someone needs to be an insectoid to be totally corrupt and evil | Aug 06 21:20 |
| XRevan86 | > so why the sudden ricing on servers that threatens availability? | Aug 06 21:20 |
| msb_ | Linux helps people be free, which is why the insectoids want to destroy it. | Aug 06 21:20 |
| MinceR | humans seem to have managed this very well | Aug 06 21:20 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: oh. | Aug 06 21:20 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: doesn't really explain it | Aug 06 21:21 |
| msb_ | "insectoid" is a metaphor to remind us how anti-human psychopaths are. | Aug 06 21:21 |
| MinceR | oh. | Aug 06 21:21 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Because they believe they did the right thing for both servers and desktops apart from the fast boot. | Aug 06 21:21 |
| MinceR | i see. | Aug 06 21:21 |
| msb_ | That is the big Conspiracy -- the fascist/psychopath/corporate/government/insectoids vs. the human race. | Aug 06 21:23 |
| MinceR | so, more like the human species against itself | Aug 06 21:23 |
| MinceR | as always | Aug 06 21:23 |
| XRevan86 | msb_: I prefer "reptiloids", that an established term. | Aug 06 21:23 |
| XRevan86 | * that's | Aug 06 21:23 |
| msb_ | No. Psychopaths are not human. | Aug 06 21:23 |
| MinceR | i prefer "humans", judging what i've seen from the majority, it's accurate enough | Aug 06 21:24 |
| msb_ | They have human hardware (mostly) but not human software. | Aug 06 21:24 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Humans are doing plenty of good positive things. You should look at them. I mention some of them in my "manifesto". | Aug 06 21:25 |
| MinceR | yes, but it seems the minority are doing positive things | Aug 06 21:25 |
| msb_ | The rest are just asleep, not evil. | Aug 06 21:25 |
| MinceR | while the majority supports a slow relapse into more authoritarianism | Aug 06 21:25 |
| msb_ | They don't support it, they just believe and do what they're told. | Aug 06 21:26 |
| MinceR | then again, maybe i'm misled by the typical hungarian mentality i experience | Aug 06 21:26 |
| MinceR | "let the neighbor's cow die too" | Aug 06 21:26 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Hmm, I thought that's Russian. | Aug 06 21:26 |
| msb_ | Maybe so. Living under Orban can't be good for consciousness. | Aug 06 21:26 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 06 21:26 |
| MinceR | could be that too | Aug 06 21:26 |
| MinceR | ideas spread much in europe | Aug 06 21:27 |
| MinceR | this predated orban, though | Aug 06 21:27 |
| MinceR | orban is one of the symptoms | Aug 06 21:27 |
| msb_ | Stalinism is also very traumatic. | Aug 06 21:27 |
| msb_ | to the people. | Aug 06 21:28 |
| MinceR | yes, which makes it all the more baffling that these people show no motivation to promote freedom and prosperity. | Aug 06 21:28 |
| msb_ | They have been ground down too much. They don't know about good stuff like David Korten's stuff. | Aug 06 21:30 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I'll tell the Russian saying when I remember it :). | Aug 06 21:30 |
| MinceR | :) | Aug 06 21:30 |
| msb_ | And Mondragon | Aug 06 21:30 |
| msb_ | and the Woodstock Nation | Aug 06 21:31 |
| msb_ | and cannabis | Aug 06 21:31 |
| msb_ | and the Jefferson Airplane | Aug 06 21:31 |
| msb_ | All these things can work together and raise people's consciousness. | Aug 06 21:32 |
| MinceR | i doubt most hungarians even know english enough to understand that stuff | Aug 06 21:32 |
| msb_ | You should make a website and translate it into Hungarian. | Aug 06 21:33 |
| MinceR | i think it's too late already | Aug 06 21:33 |
| msb_ | I'm not tooting my own horn. I didn't invent this stuff. But I lived through it. | Aug 06 21:33 |
| msb_ | NO! It's not too late. | Aug 06 21:33 |
| msb_ | Every human child is born free.. | Aug 06 21:33 |
| MinceR | http://one-europe.info/user/files/Santino%20Santinelli/European_Workers_Infographic.jpg | Aug 06 21:34 |
| msb_ | And adults can free themselves if they access the right kind of stuff. | Aug 06 21:34 |
| MinceR | even if i made such a website it wouldn't be promoted | Aug 06 21:35 |
| MinceR | it would remain unknown | Aug 06 21:35 |
| msb_ | So promote it! | Aug 06 21:35 |
| msb_ | Talk about it on yahoo lists. | Aug 06 21:35 |
| MinceR | also, i'm not much of a writer | Aug 06 21:35 |
| MinceR | and i haven't learned much about psychology | Aug 06 21:35 |
| msb_ | You're good enough. | Aug 06 21:35 |
| MinceR | (and how to influence people) | Aug 06 21:35 |
| msb_ | Just flat out tell people. Don' | Aug 06 21:36 |
| msb_ | Don't try to influence them. | Aug 06 21:36 |
| msb_ | Start with this, translate it, and modify it however you want: http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html | Aug 06 21:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | THE CAUSE AND CURE OF HUMANITY'S PROBLEMS [ http://ur1.ca/n52a6 ] | Aug 06 21:37 | |
| msb_ | Don't give up. | Aug 06 21:37 |
| msb_ | Stop giving up before you even start. | Aug 06 21:37 |
| msb_ | It sounds like you're depressed. | Aug 06 21:38 |
| msb_ | Eat some chocolate. Smoke some cannabis. Love someone. | Aug 06 21:38 |
| msb_ | Breathe! | Aug 06 21:40 |
| msb_ | Snuggle a cat. | Aug 06 21:40 |
| schestowitz | msb_: Uk/GB missing from this chart (?! | Aug 06 21:41 |
| msb_ | MinceR: You have cats in Hungary right? And they're not poisonous like in Australia. | Aug 06 21:41 |
| schestowitz | oops, I meant MinceR | Aug 06 21:42 |
| schestowitz | UK is not in this chart | Aug 06 21:42 |
| schestowitz | which I find odd | Aug 06 21:42 |
| schestowitz | I reckon it scores low | Aug 06 21:42 |
| schestowitz | maybe it didn't make it to the top at all | Aug 06 21:42 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Why would it? | Aug 06 21:42 |
| schestowitz | in uk it's assumed the world must know English | Aug 06 21:42 |
| schestowitz | and that therefore we don't need to learn a second language | Aug 06 21:43 |
| XRevan86 | schestowitz: Well, duh. | Aug 06 21:43 |
| msb_ | Maybe they figure ugly Americans don't know any languages. But I can read French, a little. | Aug 06 21:43 |
| schestowitz | US teaches some Spanish at least | Aug 06 21:43 |
| schestowitz | but it's not far better for ployglots | Aug 06 21:43 |
| schestowitz | whereas any non-English-speaking country teaches English | Aug 06 21:44 |
| schestowitz | near China it can be Mandarin too | Aug 06 21:44 |
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| msb_ | US doesn't have to teach spanish. Half the people here are Mexicans. | Aug 06 21:44 |
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| DaemonFC | http://trib.al/6NRptcg | Aug 06 21:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Waiting for Android’s inevitable security Armageddon | Ars Technica | Aug 06 21:48 | |
| DaemonFC | I commented: | Aug 06 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | Still waiting on actual Stagefright malware. (Android's defense-in-depth makes it practically unworkable.) (In other news, iOS has been getting actual malware and you won't cover that at all.) Like that Obama Anger Translator said, "Oh, CNN - thank you so much for the WALL TO WALL Ebola coverage. For two whole weeks we were one step away from The Walking Dead . And then y'all got up and just moved on to the next thing." | Aug 06 21:48 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: yeah, that's weird | Aug 06 21:50 |
| MinceR | and i'm not even sure if it's the same chart i saw earlier | Aug 06 21:50 |
| MinceR | but the point is visible, hungary is at the bottom | Aug 06 21:50 |
| MinceR | i thought spanish was a pretty widespread language | Aug 06 21:51 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Are there chocolate-chip cookies where you live? | Aug 06 21:51 |
| MinceR | most of south america, etc. | Aug 06 21:51 |
| MinceR | msb_: yes | Aug 06 21:51 |
| MinceR | subway's are pretty damn good if they're fresh | Aug 06 21:51 |
| MinceR | the stuff you can buy ready in shops is not that great, but still enjoyable | Aug 06 21:51 |
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| msb_ | Get some of the good ones. With nuts. | Aug 06 21:52 |
| MinceR | it's cute how arse technica pretends these bad security practices are exclusive to android | Aug 06 21:52 |
| MinceR | even though most mobile platforms do the exact same thing | Aug 06 21:52 |
| MinceR | and IoT platforms too | Aug 06 21:52 |
| msb_ | MinceR: I suggest you watch the movies mentioned in Cause and Cure. They can all be found in the naughty place. | Aug 06 21:55 |
| MinceR | naughty place :) | Aug 06 21:56 |
| msb_ | British Telecomm | Aug 06 21:56 |
| MinceR | Brian Transeau | Aug 06 21:57 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Aug 06 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | 2 mins · Edited · | Aug 06 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | When a group of Apple fanboys were given a phone running Android and told it was an iPhone running iOS 9, they had nothing but good things to say about it. | Aug 06 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | "People said the software, which they believed to be iOS 9, looked nicer and felt more practical than iOS 8." | Aug 06 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-fans-difference-ios-android-video-2015-8 | Aug 06 22:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | Apple fans can't tell the difference between iOS and Android - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/ndgog ] | Aug 06 22:10 | |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer If users want to get updates for their phone as they are released, they are perfectly free to load CyanogenMod or a different Android ROM. In fact, Android phones are surprisingly hard to kill. The Galaxy S2 runs Android 5.1.1 pretty well. What can you do with an Apple phone from 2011? Amazon's trade-in website will give you $5 for letting them scrap it. That's....pretty much it. Pretty much every Apple phone sold today will be | Aug 06 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | in a landfill about three years from now. These fools buy the Apple line that they care about the environment hook, line, and sinker just because this foul company installs a solar panel or two to get federal tax credits (on the money it isn't hiding overseas). | Aug 06 22:36 |
| MinceR | that's nice, because the battery is hazardous waste and as such it probably shouldn't be in a landfill :> | Aug 06 22:37 |
| MinceR | another point for removable batteries | Aug 06 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, What do you think a person is going to do? Box up their phone and send it in for $5 whole dollars or chuck it in the trash? | Aug 06 22:39 |
| MinceR | dunno | Aug 06 22:40 |
| MinceR | i think they're supposed to hand it in at an electronics store, where they handle such waste | Aug 06 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | The iPhone 6 Plus is going in the kitchen trash of just about everyone who bought one by 2017. | Aug 06 22:40 |
| MinceR | i just keep my old electronics, there isn't that much of it | Aug 06 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | You can have Samsung swap the battery out on a Galaxy S6. | Aug 06 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | It's free if it fails in the first year, and $45 past then. | Aug 06 22:41 |
| MinceR | you can swap it out yourself on a galaxy note ii lte | Aug 06 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | Most users will do it maybe once, tops. | Aug 06 22:41 |
| MinceR | it's sad that samsung caved to the demands of brainless crApple fanboys | Aug 06 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | I won't, because I'm on a lease. | Aug 06 22:42 |
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| cubexyz | did an interesting experiment today | Aug 06 22:58 |
| cubexyz | there was a scp command that soaks up all the bandwidth on the router | Aug 06 22:59 |
| cubexyz | so other ssh sessions were slow | Aug 06 22:59 |
| cubexyz | but the serial link was still relatively fast | Aug 06 22:59 |
| MinceR | msb_: wait, what? poisonous cats? | Aug 06 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer "History, sadly, has often shown us that older iPhone devices are left stranded without an easy path for OS updates. If it's more than 3 years old, about all you can use it for is an iPod or sell it for $5 for scrap. Assuming that it even makes it that long before the battery is dead or it falls off your coffee table and shatters." Fixed it for you. | Aug 06 23:07 |
| MinceR | i'm almost sure the only venomous mammal is the platypus | Aug 06 23:08 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: or it turns into a bomb :> | Aug 06 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, If I had a dollar for every "It fell off the coffee table and shattered....so now I have to go buy another one." iPhone story, I could buy one of the islands in the Florida keys and spend the rest of my life drinking little umbrella drinks. | Aug 06 23:10 |
| MinceR | :D | Aug 06 23:10 |
| MinceR | you'd think they'd learn to keep it in their pockets or belt case | Aug 06 23:10 |
| MinceR | but then you remember they're crApple lusers | Aug 06 23:11 |
| MinceR | and of course if it's in the pocket or case, it's not in plain view | Aug 06 23:14 |
| MinceR | and the whole point is to show it off | Aug 06 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer The biggest thing holding back the Android phones with decent specs is that developers are porting the apps, which were designed for lesser hardware, like iPhones and budget Androids. That's the real issue. Once you eliminate the <$200 Androids and the iPhone, you're left with phones that could do so much more. The real reason why you can get a crap Android phone and still run most of the apps is because they're being ported | Aug 06 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | from iPhones. | Aug 06 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Then there's always the "I bought a waterproof case and went swimming with my iPhone, and now it won't work because the case didn't seal properly.". | Aug 06 23:23 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 06 23:24 |
| MinceR | can't part with the pointless gadget even for a swim | Aug 06 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | Of course not. How else do you play Candy Crush while you're at the water park? :) | Aug 06 23:24 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 06 23:24 |
| MinceR | i doubt you can, since that touchscreen is not designed to be usable when wet | Aug 06 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | True. Even if the case performs to spec, you still can't use the screen with wet fingers. | Aug 06 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | I wish they'd port K9 Mail to the PC. | Aug 06 23:28 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer - What game are you playing on your Mac? Doom 3 and not even the BFG Edition? "A portal to Hell has opened up on your Mac." No, no, not iTunes! Well, yeah, iTunes too... | Aug 06 23:54 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 06 23:55 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Interesting. The headlines show that the Dow is down but don't mention that it's almost entirely due to Apple. | Aug 07 00:02 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 07 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | The stock has gone down so much that it's wiped out $120 billion dollars. | Aug 07 00:02 |
| MinceR | so, in addition to not calling out winblows, they also won't call out macos | Aug 07 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | McDonalds is worth $90 billion. The whole company. | Aug 07 00:02 |
| MinceR | oh, you mean the index is down, not the service? :> | Aug 07 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. | Aug 07 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | Apple's stock has been crashing. | Aug 07 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | People are selling it off like mad. | Aug 07 00:03 |
| MinceR | nice | Aug 07 00:03 |
| MinceR | what happened? | Aug 07 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | Jim Cramer is even telling people to get rid of it now. | Aug 07 00:03 |
| MinceR | people realized that crApple products are crap? | Aug 07 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think it was any one thing. | Aug 07 00:04 |
| MinceR | the cult realized that jobs is dead? | Aug 07 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | Lack of new products. Apple Music is fucking broken. They missed their target number of iPhone sales. | Aug 07 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | Apparently, there's 11 million people on Apple Music right now, but they're all in their 3 month free trial. | Aug 07 00:04 |
| MinceR | i see | Aug 07 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | So, they could all just cancel it a day before it runs out and never pay anything, but Apple owes the record companies money for every song played. | Aug 07 00:05 |
| MinceR | i hope they do that | Aug 07 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | Apple could absorb the loss, but their investors probably wouldn't be amused. | Aug 07 00:05 |
| MinceR | it would be a worthy punishment for propping up DRM and the like | Aug 07 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Yeah. I might sign up for the Android version and play music 24 hours a day for three months. | Aug 07 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | When I go away, just turn the volume down. | Aug 07 00:06 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 07 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | It'll work on Windows too, so I can leave it going on my PC all the time. | Aug 07 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | Apple would end up paying the record companies about $300, and then I discontinue the subscription before I owe Apple anything. | Aug 07 00:08 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Apple knew it would lose money in the first three months, so they originally weren't going to pay for anything the user played. | Aug 07 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | Then the RIAA and the labels and the musicians complained. | Aug 07 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | So Apple will pay them the going rate of about 0.009 cents per song. | Aug 07 00:09 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 07 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | Taylor Swift even got involved, accusing Apple of piracy. | Aug 07 00:10 |
| DaemonFC | and threatening to remove all her stuff | Aug 07 00:10 |
| DaemonFC | It's not on Spotify. Nobody with any taste in music cares. | Aug 07 00:10 |
| DaemonFC | Must be why Apple does. | Aug 07 00:10 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 07 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Joffrey_Baratheon | Aug 07 00:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gameofthrones.wikia.com | Joffrey Baratheon - Game of Thrones Wiki [ http://ur1.ca/ndhlt ] | Aug 07 00:11 | |
| DaemonFC | "We've had vicious kings, and we've had idiot kings, but I don't know if we've ever been cursed with a vicious idiot for a king!" | Aug 07 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | ―Tyrion Lannister, summarizing his nephew Joffrey Baratheon | Aug 07 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | Hmm, sounds like George W. Bush. | Aug 07 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | Congress has been getting more and more irrelevant. | Aug 07 00:13 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 07 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | Between the Supreme Court making up the law as it goes and the presidents ignoring the law... | Aug 07 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | The law is more like a series of suggestions. | Aug 07 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | For all of their windblowing, the budgets that they end up passing look remarkably like what the president requested to begin with. | Aug 07 00:15 |
| MinceR | "the Code is more what you'd call guidelines than actual rules" | Aug 07 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | The real argument between the two parties is whether the federal government spends 21% of the economy or 19%. | Aug 07 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | You'd swear they were arguing over 10% vs. 90%. | Aug 07 00:15 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 07 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | Spending priorities are somewhat different, but the deficits that would result aren't that different. | Aug 07 00:16 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayre%27s_law | Aug 07 00:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Sayre's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/dwelr ] | Aug 07 00:16 | |
| DaemonFC | We're talking about a 3% annual deficit vs. a 2.8% annual deficit. | Aug 07 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | relative to gdp | Aug 07 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, What's funny is that if we were in Europe, we'd qualify as "fiscally responsible" and qualified to sign on to the Euro. | Aug 07 00:18 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 07 00:18 |
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| DaemonFC | The banks don't want government budgets that balance, and so they don't. | Aug 07 00:18 |
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| DaemonFC | The only thing stopping me from rooting my phone is that it's in the leasing contract that if you do that, the device is considered broken for purposes of being returned to Sprint. | Aug 07 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | That means that at the end of the lease, you have to pay the $200 buyout option and keep the phone. | Aug 07 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, the device can be deemed broken for just about any reason. | Aug 07 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | If it has a nick on it somewhere, it's "broken". | Aug 07 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | So I put it in the mother of all cases and it should be in good shape when I take it back. | Aug 07 00:24 |
| schestowitz | send your mother in | Aug 07 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, with her iPhone 6 Plus. Barf. | Aug 07 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | The thing is fucking impossible to use. | Aug 07 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | I know. I've used it. | Aug 07 00:25 |
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| DaemonFC | She was running iOS 8.3 on it because the only thing that signifies that there's an OTA update is a little red dot on the Settings icon. | Aug 07 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | So, I updated it to 8.4, two months after it was released. :/ | Aug 07 00:26 |
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| MinceR | https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware/hardware-changes-post-windows-10-upgrade/24ccc0d2-c2e0-4762-80b5-12c9350a694c?auth=1 | Aug 07 00:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-answers.microsoft.com | Hardware Changes Post Windows 10 upgrade - Microsoft Community [ http://ur1.ca/ndhr9 ] | Aug 07 00:34 | |
| MinceR | the famous micro$oft "support" | Aug 07 00:34 |
| MinceR | support retard can't answer even one question | Aug 07 00:34 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer shared Squidward Fucking Tentaclesㅇ's photo. | Aug 07 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | Just now · | Aug 07 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | Maybe you should. Cortana is an INTELLIGENT personal assistant with a great voice. Siri sounds like what you get when you dial a disconnected telephone number, and about as helpful too. | Aug 07 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/s526x395/11813424_950383315019208_4994696618367706322_n.jpg?oh=fddd8bb066bf3713528ef1387b42401f&oe=564C4033 | Aug 07 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | Google can find anything, but sounds like my second grade teacher. | Aug 07 01:51 |
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| msb_ | I just got a phone call from "windows technical department"! | Aug 07 02:28 |
| msb_ | The guy's accent was so strong I could barely understand him -- Eastern Indian - Sikh or something. | Aug 07 02:28 |
| msb_ | He said my computer was sending his coma | Aug 07 02:29 |
| msb_ | company some kind of message, that I needed to fix. I asked to talk with his supervisor, who said the name of the company was "Ifix". | Aug 07 02:30 |
| cubexyz | I assume you weren't running windows? | Aug 07 02:30 |
| msb_ | I told the sup -- Dexter -- that I was using Linux, so I knew they were lying. He mumbled "fuck off asshole". | Aug 07 02:31 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: Don't you know me better than that? | Aug 07 02:31 |
| cubexyz | I used to have one machine that dual booted | Aug 07 02:31 |
| cubexyz | but I got rid of the windows partition months ago | Aug 07 02:32 |
| msb_ | Whatever scam they were running, they mumbled so badly that they couldn't be understood on the phone. | Aug 07 02:32 |
| cubexyz | yeah, just another lame scam | Aug 07 02:32 |
| cubexyz | it's very common | Aug 07 02:32 |
| cubexyz | I got a call like that two days ago :) | Aug 07 02:32 |
| msb_ | I've gotten it before and they sounded Russian, but at least I could understand what they were saying. | Aug 07 02:33 |
| msb_ | These guys, I wanted to play with them some more, but they couldn't speak well enough to make it worthwhile. | Aug 07 02:33 |
| cubexyz | probably trying to get passwords | Aug 07 02:35 |
| cubexyz | install a keylogger | Aug 07 02:36 |
| msb_ | Something like that. I wanted to see how they were going to get money, but I couldn't get that far with them. They are very incompetent crooks. | Aug 07 02:37 |
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| cubexyz | I assume they try to get you to install some malware that logs passwords | Aug 07 02:39 |
| msb_ | The first guy said he was in Texas, and gave me a 713 number, but he grouped the digits wrong, not xxx-xxx-xxxx. | Aug 07 02:39 |
| cubexyz | ebay, paypal, banking, etc | Aug 07 02:39 |
| msb_ | So he must have not been born in the US | Aug 07 02:39 |
| cubexyz | not North American at least | Aug 07 02:40 |
| msb_ | Well, Windows itself is just as bad a scam. | Aug 07 02:40 |
| cubexyz | I thought that windows was bad in 1987 | Aug 07 02:41 |
| msb_ | I think the earliest one I tried was 3.1. | Aug 07 02:42 |
| cubexyz | I started to see it a lot more when windows 3.0 came out | Aug 07 02:43 |
| msb_ | MinceR: I was just kidding about the poisonous cats. Oiaiohm (?) said they poison feral cats in Australia because they're dangerous. | Aug 07 02:43 |
| msb_ | I may have worked on a contract programming job with 3.1. | Aug 07 02:44 |
| msb_ | Desqview was pretty good. I think it ran on PCDOS directly, not Windows. | Aug 07 02:49 |
| msb_ | Reliable multi-screen, multi-task. | Aug 07 02:50 |
| cubexyz | well... hardly an ideal solution | Aug 07 02:56 |
| cubexyz | closed source proprietary program running closed source proprietary msdos | Aug 07 02:57 |
| cubexyz | hard to avoid that in the 1980s though | Aug 07 02:58 |
| cubexyz | unless you had a PDP-11 or a microvax | Aug 07 02:59 |
| DaemonFC | <msb_> Whatever scam they were running, they mumbled so badly that they couldn't be understood on the phone. | Aug 07 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | I used to get stuff like that. They stopped after I put them on speakerphone and went about my business while pretending to be an old man with dementia. | Aug 07 03:02 |
| msb_ | DaemonFC: Good one! | Aug 07 03:02 |
| DaemonFC | Tied them up for about two hours while I looked for my credit card and then remembered that the wife went off to the store and should be back any time now. | Aug 07 03:02 |
| DaemonFC | Then I opened up Windows XP in a VM and let them fuck around with it for a while. | Aug 07 03:02 |
| DaemonFC | They were using one of those go to my PC things. | Aug 07 03:03 |
| DaemonFC | When I was done with them I just reset the VM to how it was before and that was the end of it. | Aug 07 03:03 |
| msb_ | I wanted to get the url of whatever malware site they were sending me to, but I couldn't get that far. | Aug 07 03:04 |
| msb_ | I'll bet it was in India. | Aug 07 03:05 |
| msb_ | Headline on RT: "Who will be the GOP master debater?" | Aug 07 03:14 |
| msb_ | They totally ridiculed the Republicans. Is that an act of war? | Aug 07 03:16 |
| msb_ | They say, "Fox so-called News" | Aug 07 03:18 |
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| msb_ | British soldiers engaged in false-flag terrorism in Syria! Source: British newspaper! http://www.globalresearch.ca/british-sas-special-forces-dressed-up-as-isis-rebels-fighting-assad-in-syria/5466944 | Aug 07 04:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | British SAS Special Forces “Dressed Up as ISIS Rebels” Fighting Assad in Syria | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization [ http://ur1.ca/ndj0c ] | Aug 07 04:07 | |
| msb_ | And just to be on-topic for a change, here's a nice tutorial on xargs from Steve Litt, anti-systemd champion: http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/xargs.htm | Aug 07 04:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.troubleshooters.com | The Troubleshooters.Com xargs Guide [ http://ur1.ca/nc129 ] | Aug 07 04:11 | |
| oiaohm | msb_: usage of xargs is one of the common causes of spaces in filenames doing wrong things. | Aug 07 04:17 |
| oiaohm | msb_: to be correct bad usage of xargs | Aug 07 04:18 |
| oiaohm | Or worse special chars msb_ | Aug 07 04:18 |
| oiaohm | ls *.txt | xargs --max-lines=1 touch This example here | Aug 07 04:19 |
| oiaohm | --max-args=1 might have been a good idea. | Aug 07 04:20 |
| msb_ | oiaohm: I don't allow spaces (or other characters meaningful to the shell) in my filenames. If they come that way from external sources, I run a script to fix them. | Aug 07 04:20 |
| oiaohm | To be correct -x + --max-args=1 | Aug 07 04:21 |
| oiaohm | If there was a file name with a space it would have aborted safey | Aug 07 04:21 |
| oiaohm | Sorry I don't do that arguement does not work msb_ | Aug 07 04:22 |
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| oiaohm | msb_: Attackers attempting to breach systems don't care if you have that point of view | Aug 07 04:22 |
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| msb_ | oiaohm: You're saying that I _should_ put spaces in my filenames to prevent some kind of attacks? Nuts! | Aug 07 04:24 |
| oiaohm | No I am saying you should design scripts presuming one day someone does msb_ | Aug 07 04:25 |
| oiaohm | Like xargs support --null option. | Aug 07 04:25 |
| oiaohm | So null as breaker instead of space or any other char that can normally exist in filenames. | Aug 07 04:26 |
| msb_ | No I am not going to worry about security INSIDE my system. I have enough aggravation! | Aug 07 04:27 |
| msb_ | oiaohm: But send a letter to Steve Litt if you have a suggestion, | Aug 07 04:28 |
| msb_ | And space does NOT normally exist in my filenames. | Aug 07 04:29 |
| oiaohm | The word there is normally. | Aug 07 04:32 |
| msb_ | Nor do apostrophes, quotes, bangs, various parens, etc. | Aug 07 04:32 |
| oiaohm | so you never get files from anyone else. | Aug 07 04:32 |
| oiaohm | Bad process is bad process. | Aug 07 04:33 |
| oiaohm | Its not that hard to write scripts in safe ways. | Aug 07 04:33 |
| msb_ | oiaohm: AS I SAID "If they come that way from external sources, I run a script to fix them." | Aug 07 04:33 |
| oiaohm | And if you have bad coding practise you will screw that up at some point. | Aug 07 04:34 |
| msb_ | oiaohm: You love to argue. | Aug 07 04:34 |
| oiaohm | Not that a love go argue at all. | Aug 07 04:34 |
| msb_ | parse error | Aug 07 04:34 |
| oiaohm | Sorry. | Aug 07 04:35 |
| oiaohm | But that is valid english. | Aug 07 04:35 |
| oiaohm | The problem here I am sick of having to clean up messes on servers because people are sloppy. | Aug 07 04:36 |
| oiaohm | Like the example there using ls to go through a directory is wrong. | Aug 07 04:37 |
| oiaohm | find does null terminated. | Aug 07 04:37 |
| msb_ | Complain to Litt. | Aug 07 04:38 |
| oiaohm | msb_: what make you think I have not. | Aug 07 04:39 |
| msb_ | oiaohm: "Not that a love go argue at all." Please name subject and object. | Aug 07 04:39 |
| oiaohm | Due to the mistakes there I don't want to see that site link again msb_ | Aug 07 04:39 |
| msb_ | Then don't look. | Aug 07 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | Player- Onesix - Ryan, get a map. You're a lost cause. This is about Android software. | Aug 07 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer - It should be. Android works. I got my first taste of iPhones back when they were new and someone handed me one. I tried typing on the darned thing and of course it got it all wrong. I'd have been better off trying to send messages by carrier pigeon. I said "I can't operate like this.", and that was the end of that.Although you can install a working keyboard on iPhones now (Swiftkey), the process is arduous, iOS sometimes | Aug 07 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | ignores your preference and loads it's own crappy keyboard, and well, of all the things it gets wrong, 8 years later and they still haven't even mastered the on-screen keyboard. Why polish the chrome when the car won't start? Apple should go back to the drawing board and make a phone that works right before they start sending in their fanboys and buying the media every time Android has a bug somewhere. | Aug 07 04:40 |
| oiaohm | msb_: really when I said that had an xargs had a issue there was no reason for you to attempt to defend it by saying I don't use special chars. | Aug 07 04:41 |
| msb_ | oiaohm: Stop telling me what to do. | Aug 07 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | As anyone can see by going to Wikipedia and looking at the release history of iOS, it's got issues. Big time! And god only knows how many are hiding behind "bug fixes". The ones that they broke out and itemized are frightening enough. | Aug 07 04:42 |
| oiaohm | msb_: --"Not that a love go argue at all." Please name subject and object.-- What you need to look up "noun phrase" --"a love go argue"-- That is the subject. This is contextual English. Commonly used in novels. | Aug 07 04:43 |
| msb_ | oiaohm: Not on this planet. | Aug 07 04:45 |
| oiaohm | msb_: No this is not tell you what todo making out that something is a nice tutorial when its buggy. | Aug 07 04:45 |
| oiaohm | There are better tutorials to use xargs out there. | Aug 07 04:45 |
| msb_ | oiaohm: You love to argue interminably. I will not respond further to your crap. | Aug 07 04:46 |
| oiaohm | msb_: http://www.softpanorama.org/Tools/xargs.shtml If you had used this tutorial here I would not have complained at all. | Aug 07 04:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.softpanorama.org | xargs Command Tutorial [ http://ur1.ca/ndj9b ] | Aug 07 04:49 | |
| oiaohm | msb_: basically I was not argueing without grounds. you brought a crap quality tutorilal in that people follow and cause problems with. | Aug 07 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | And of course the battery on an iPhone goes from 100-0 in about five minutes, so the most popular accessory is a case that straps another battery onto the ****ing piece of crap, and plugs into the charging port. smile emoticon Amazing. Hey man, I heard you liked batteries, so I got you a battery case so you can battery while you battery. And somehow....they sell these things. | Aug 07 04:50 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/android-smartphone-with-massive-10000mah-battery-is-coming-soon-710786 | Aug 07 04:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gadgets.ndtv.com | Android Smartphone With Massive 10000mAh Battery Is Coming Soon | NDTV Gadgets [ http://ur1.ca/ndjbg ] | Aug 07 04:56 | |
| oiaohm | Other side of problem. | Aug 07 04:56 |
| oiaohm | Phones getting huge batteries that take for ever to change. | Aug 07 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | Mine has a 2,550 mAh battery. | Aug 07 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | It does okay. | Aug 07 05:11 |
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| Random54377 | Would this be the right place to ask about the consequences of a particular cyber crime (ex. changing someones facebook password)? | Aug 07 05:47 |
| Random54377 | never mind. I'm guess the answer to my question is no. I apologize | Aug 07 05:51 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Apparently letting your dog chew on your iPhone and then blaming the company that made the case is alright. | Aug 07 06:10 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4xNcF6T7Is | Aug 07 06:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | iPad Survives 100,000+ Foot Fall From Space Near Area 51 (High-Res) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/ndju7 ] | Aug 07 06:18 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: there are some super tough cases. Yes a case that can keep a device in one piece from 100 000 feet is still no good against a set of dog jaws. | Aug 07 06:19 |
| oiaohm | Basically never underestimate a k9 destructive force. | Aug 07 06:20 |
| oiaohm | http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/JackGreen.shtml | Aug 07 06:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hypertextbook.com | Pressure Under High Heels [ http://ur1.ca/ndjvl ] | Aug 07 06:23 | |
| oiaohm | To be correct its the points of the teeth. Its very much the same problem as what do you want on your foot a elphant or a lady in high heels. | Aug 07 06:24 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer Adam Gooden: Don't you know? Apple makes magical software that somehow offsets the "meh" hardware. Because their software is always so svelte and efficient, like iTunes. | Aug 07 06:41 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Aug 07 06:42 |
| msb_ | http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36173.htm | Aug 07 06:44 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer Adam Gooden: It's actually worse than that. When you go on a contact to get that $199 iPhone (the 16 GB iPhone 6/$649), it ends up costing almost $1,100. Lacking the ability to do basic math goes with the territory for those folks. If you want some lulz, head on over to the Lifeproof Facebook page and see the idiots that put their iPhone in the 'waterproof" case ($100) and went swimming, and then got out of the water and found | Aug 07 07:02 |
| DaemonFC | out their phone drowned, or dropped it off a coffee table (in the aforementioned $100 case) and had the screen spidercrack like a broken windshield. These people are going to get a Darwin award someday. wink emoticon "Waterproof up to 2 meters for an hour" really means it probably has you covered if you're at a restaurant and you spill your drink on it. These people think it means you can go scuba diving. | Aug 07 07:02 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer Anyone who looks at Apple products and isn't scared isn't paying attention. If the only advantage of using Android over an iPhone that I knew of was never having to put iTunes on any of my computers, it would already have a fantastic head start. | Aug 07 07:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3fx3q3/microsofts_patent_attacks_on_free_software/ | Aug 07 07:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 07 07:31 |
| schestowitz | A shitty attempt to mock windows 10. Honestly it's better than 7 or 8 was, and miles ahead of Vistas initial version. | Aug 07 07:31 |
| schestowitz | That said, unless they switch to the Linux kernel and open source everything or something I'm probably going to switch everything to ubuntu mate while I'm in school, easier to fix when something breaks. Maybe keep them dual boot for the few games that truly need windows to work, or if the institute needs a program that won't work in wine. | Aug 07 07:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 07 07:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com | Microsoft’s Patent Attacks on Free Software Intensify as Microsoft’s Mobile Ambitions Officially Dead and Vista 10 Failing : linux [ http://ur1.ca/nd8dz ] | Aug 07 07:31 | |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft needs to revise their program to deal with smartphones in Windows 10. | Aug 07 07:31 |
| schestowitz | I think there's lots of astroturfing there | Aug 07 07:31 |
| DaemonFC | "Got an iPhone? Horrible match! iTunes will fucking destroy your computer." | Aug 07 07:32 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft already got caught astroturding in reddit | Aug 07 07:32 |
| schestowitz | "Windows 10 isn't as bad as everyone says it is, imo. Neither was Windows 8. I saw a segment on a national news program the other day in which the host repeatedly referred to "the utter failure of Windows 8" and kept beaming about how much Windows 10 improved on it. I disagree with both statements. Windows 8/8.1 was great, and so is Windows 10, but it's not a mind blowing upgrade either." | Aug 07 07:32 |
| DaemonFC | I installed the first update pack. | Aug 07 07:32 |
| DaemonFC | "Any landing you walk away from was a good landing." | Aug 07 07:32 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 07 07:32 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Did you hear that Microsoft plans to have an update rollup pack every week for a while? | Aug 07 07:33 |
| DaemonFC | They'll each have dozens of hotfixes and touch hundreds of system files. | Aug 07 07:33 |
| schestowitz | wow | Aug 07 07:33 |
| schestowitz | every week? | Aug 07 07:33 |
| schestowitz | not just after 1 week? | Aug 07 07:34 |
| schestowitz | "As always an interesting article... Roy keeps a line similar to Groklaw. This kind of activism is essential if we intend to return the web to the levels of Freedom we once had. Of course, a lot of posters try to distract readers from the ideas by criticizing allegories like "Vista 10" or "M$". We surely hope Nadella can make his company a better citizen in the commercial landscape, but let's not forget a man cannot change the ethos of a | Aug 07 07:34 |
| DaemonFC | Perhaps there are way more problems in Windows 10 than anyone really suspects. | Aug 07 07:34 |
| schestowitz | company -- and they return to their bad habits on a regular basis. As patent trolls have received more and more the cold shoulder, I'm optimist that this parasitism strategy won't work in the long run and Microsoft will have to reinvent itself instead of being eternally the bully in the class. Until then we all must remain alert or risk having new episodes like the destruction of Nokia (to cite only the most recent one)." | Aug 07 07:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/microsofts-patent-attacks-on-free-software-intensify-as-microsofts-mobile-ambitions-officially-dead-and-vista-10-failing-150805092015.html | Aug 07 07:34 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. | Aug 07 07:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxtoday.com | Linux Today - Microsoft's Patent Attacks on Free Software Intensify as Microsoft's Mobile Ambitions Officially Dead and Vista 10 Failing [ http://ur1.ca/ndkby ] | Aug 07 07:34 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I heard before release | Aug 07 07:34 |
| schestowitz | people from MS told me | Aug 07 07:34 |
| schestowitz | "The problem with Microsoft's Mobile Ambitions Officially Dead and Vista 10 Failing is, those just using Free Software for their own gain, and because of Microsoft's Patent Attacks on Free Software results in "Free Software" sellouts funding for Microsoft because they don't want the problem having to defend "Free Software" for everyone in / using Free Software." | Aug 07 07:34 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I'll quite you later re Vista 10, I have two articles in the docket | Aug 07 07:35 |
| schestowitz | one about privacy, another about updates | Aug 07 07:35 |
| schestowitz | turns out my sources were right, vista 10 was a mess in the making. | Aug 07 07:35 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.infoworld.com/article/2960528/patch-management/windows-10-patch-kb-3081424-can-crash-fail-to-install.html | Aug 07 07:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infoworld.com | Windows 10 patch KB 3081424 can crash, fail to install | InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/ndkck ] | Aug 07 07:37 | |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Aug 07 07:37 |
| DaemonFC | Just now · | Aug 07 07:37 |
| DaemonFC | It has begun! | Aug 07 07:37 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RealHPT/status/629509428258078720 | Aug 07 07:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RealHPT: @schestowitz An Apple money maker is potentially its music store, expanding customers is perhaps why they want to port apps to Android. | Aug 07 07:37 | |
| DaemonFC | It seems to be trapping some computers in a bootloop. | Aug 07 07:38 |
| schestowitz | They're currently losing on it, as many useds are on trial basis while Apple pays the music providers | Aug 07 07:38 |
| DaemonFC | Not bad. It only took them a week this time. | Aug 07 07:38 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I mentioned that earlier. | Aug 07 07:38 |
| DaemonFC | They tried saying they wouldn't pay any royalties for trial users, but then musicians started threatening to revoke their license to stream. | Aug 07 07:39 |
| DaemonFC | So they backed down. | Aug 07 07:39 |
| schestowitz | ha | Aug 07 07:40 |
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| DaemonFC | "But how well does a Chromebook work as an ereader?" | Aug 07 07:50 |
| DaemonFC | Amazon Kindle Cloud Reader works on it. | Aug 07 07:50 |
| schestowitz | meh | Aug 07 07:51 |
| schestowitz | DRM | Aug 07 07:51 |
| DaemonFC | "The solution that seems to work involves a registry edit to delete stunted user profiles that shouldn't be there." | Aug 07 07:51 |
| DaemonFC | Hey, Grandma, have fun with regedit! | Aug 07 07:51 |
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| schestowitz | and solitaire | Aug 07 07:52 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: you are aware that Australian buying music by itunes has to pay extra. | Aug 07 07:52 |
| schestowitz | once you pay to stop the ads | Aug 07 07:52 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: No explainable reason. | Aug 07 07:52 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I think the HOSTS entries I have to block Skype ads blocks the Solitaire app from displaying ads too. | Aug 07 07:53 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't seen any. | Aug 07 07:53 |
| oiaohm | Remember auto updates DaemonFC | Aug 07 07:53 |
| oiaohm | its only a matter of time before Microsoft starts adding counter measures to disabling ads. | Aug 07 07:53 |
| oiaohm | I wish intel open source drivers were more complete and KVMGT was better off. | Aug 07 07:55 |
| oiaohm | It is now to the point I wish I could recommend Windows 10 as virtual instance only. | Aug 07 07:56 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-delivers-first-cumulative-windows-10-update/ | Aug 07 07:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | Microsoft delivers first cumulative Windows 10 update | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/ndkh9 ] | Aug 07 07:57 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, "Today's cumulative update is one of a series of regular performance and reliability fixes and updates for Windows 10 that Microsoft is expected to deliver. One of my contacts said Microsoft is planning to deliver more cumulative update rollups possibly on a weekly basis at least for the first month of Windows 10 availability." | Aug 07 07:57 |
| oiaohm | https://01.org/igvt-g | Aug 07 07:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-01.org | Intel® Graphics Virtualization Technology (Intel® GVT) | 01.org | Aug 07 07:58 | |
| oiaohm | This tech I like. Standard Windows drivers and Linux drivers used inside the virtual machine. | Aug 07 07:59 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/629546516458438656 | Aug 07 07:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Can't you just ignore them? I read an interesting article about a guy experimenting with buying followers. | Aug 07 07:59 | |
| schestowitz | A lot of #twitter is fake people/likes, not sure what %. Some famous/rich people have it in their todo list, "buy followers" | Aug 07 08:00 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/01micko/status/629546910286655488 | Aug 07 08:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@01micko: @schestowitz Nice article Roy and one that need to be shared far and wide. | Aug 07 08:02 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/629548029633273856 | Aug 07 08:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz I find it is way too common to receive a favourite from a hot bisexual woman who only posts photos of other scantily clad girls | Aug 07 08:02 | |
| schestowitz | probably wanting you to follow back or become "customer | Aug 07 08:02 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/629547751659847680 | Aug 07 08:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: ICYMI @schestowitz: The Great Fake Twitter Follower Exp't: How I Gained 150,000 Followers in One Month http://t.co/9U6IirnPaA via @Techvibes | Aug 07 08:03 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techvibes.com | The Great Fake Twitter Follower Experiment: How I Gained 150,000 Followers in One Month - Techvibes.com | Aug 07 08:03 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/deusexstigma/status/629549393574797312 | Aug 07 08:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@deusexstigma: @schestowitz Twitter is a fame whore..ersatz famous who follow60ppl..can have millions following..poor activists are banned from following | Aug 07 08:11 | |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Aug 07 08:36 |
| DaemonFC | Just now · | Aug 07 08:36 |
| DaemonFC | I told people this would happen when I voted against that constitutional amendment, but people wanted low property taxes (that mostly benefit rich people with expensive houses, not the poor and middle class who later got cheated out of their homes by the banks) and now they're going to get to wonder if some pervert in a free candy van is going to abduct their children on the way to school. The 2-3 mile walk through the bad side of town. | Aug 07 08:36 |
| DaemonFC | "Fort Wayne Community Schools had put place 7,000 students in a no transportation zone because of property tax caps. | Aug 07 08:36 |
| DaemonFC | Police say that they will be keeping an extra watch on intersections where drivers might not anticipate young pedestrians." | Aug 07 08:36 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.21alive.com/news/local/Fort-Wayne-Police-Department-increasing-patrols-for-kids-walking-to-school-320772511.html | Aug 07 08:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.21alive.com | Fort Wayne Police Department increasing patrols for kids walking to school | 21Alive: News, Sports, Weather, Fort Wayne WPTA-TV, WISE-TV, and CW | Local [ http://ur1.ca/ndks7 ] | Aug 07 08:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE Applications 15.08 RC Available Now, Final | Aug 07 08:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Build Arrives on August 19 | Aug 07 08:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/wKK3Poh53q (linux.softpedia.com) | Aug 07 08:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | KDE Applications 15.08 RC Available Now, Final Build Arrives on August 19 - Softpedia | Aug 07 08:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Is Now | Aug 07 08:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Available for Download, Here's What's New | Aug 07 08:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/0q9I5KpRzC (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 07 08:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Is Now Available for Download, Here's What's New - Softpedia | Aug 07 08:40 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Yes, There Is Now a Cards Against Humanity App | Aug 07 08:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | on Ubuntu Touch | Aug 07 08:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/aHuP5bOImq (linux.softpedia.com) | Aug 07 08:40 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Yes, There Is Now a Cards Against Humanity App on Ubuntu Touch - Softpedia | Aug 07 08:40 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GParted Live 0.23.0-1 Officially Released with | Aug 07 08:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Kernel 4.1.3 and GParted 0.23.0 | Aug 07 08:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/WFD8CwRfRt (linux.softpedia.com) | Aug 07 08:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | GParted Live 0.23.0-1 Officially Released with Linux Kernel 4.1.3 and GParted 0.23.0 - Softpedia | Aug 07 08:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Homefront: The Revolution Is Still Coming to | Aug 07 08:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux | Aug 07 08:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/QhvicUfbKl (linux.softpedia.com) | Aug 07 08:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Homefront: The Revolution Is Still Coming to Linux - Softpedia | Aug 07 08:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.2.70 LTS Adds MIPS, PPC, x86, | Aug 07 08:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and Btrfs Improvements, More | Aug 07 08:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/zdE77tD5o8 (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 07 08:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 3.2.70 LTS Adds MIPS, PPC, x86, and Btrfs Improvements, More - Softpedia | Aug 07 08:51 | |
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| DaemonFC | Nvidia is up 9%? Really? | Aug 07 09:04 |
| DaemonFC | They recalled every Shield tablet because the battery might catch fire and their stock is up 9%? | Aug 07 09:05 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines TechValidate surveys Red Hat Enterprise Linux | Aug 07 09:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | developers http://t.co/bmPzwZsoJ8 (sdtimes.com) | Aug 07 09:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sdtimes.com | TechValidate surveys Red Hat Enterprise Linux developers - SD Times | Aug 07 09:14 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Arma 3 Is Coming to Linux as a Non-Native Port | Aug 07 09:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | from Bohemia Interactive http://t.co/46QiyuHTtm | Aug 07 09:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linux.softpedia.com) | Aug 07 09:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Arma 3 Is Coming to Linux as a Non-Native Port from Bohemia Interactive - Softpedia | Aug 07 09:14 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GParted Live 0.23.0-1 Officially Released with | Aug 07 09:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Linux Kernel 4.1.3 and GParted 0.23.0 | Aug 07 09:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GParted Live 0.23.0-1 Officially Released with Linux Kernel 4.1.3 and GParted 0.23.0 | Tux Machines | Aug 07 09:14 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/01micko/status/629572084411183105 | Aug 07 09:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@01micko: @schestowitz we too have to consider that 'smartphones' are still in their infancy. Bigger and "better" will come. | Aug 07 09:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat News http://t.co/yw9YDg3HNe | Aug 07 09:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 07 09:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat News | Tux Machines | Aug 07 09:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.2.70 LTS Adds MIPS, PPC, x86, | Aug 07 09:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and Btrfs Improvements, More | Aug 07 09:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/wGZlQmdLP6 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 07 09:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel 3.2.70 LTS Adds MIPS, PPC, x86, and Btrfs Improvements, More | Tux Machines | Aug 07 09:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines HMRC reveals cloud and open source | Aug 07 09:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | transformation http://t.co/Frc7h5Ptzi | Aug 07 09:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 07 09:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | HMRC reveals cloud and open source transformation | Tux Machines | Aug 07 09:51 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/GrabYerAnkles/status/629574058410135552 | Aug 07 09:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GrabYerAnkles: @schestowitz 1st took guards off tubes; drivers now do work of 2 people. Taxi driver earn +£25k to carry 4 people. Packed tube carries +1000 | Aug 07 09:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tanglu 3.0 Screencast and Screenshots | Aug 07 10:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/v1dGoDgejT (www.linuxquestions.org) | Aug 07 10:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxquestions.org | Tanglu 3.0 Screencast and Screenshots | Aug 07 10:07 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tails 1.5 RC1 Incognito Live CD Is Out for | Aug 07 10:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Testing and It Needs Your Help | Aug 07 10:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/2qMd9aMXnr (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 07 10:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Tails 1.5 RC1 Incognito Live CD Is Out for Testing and It Needs Your Help - Softpedia | Aug 07 10:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GCC 5 Is Causing Headaches For Ubuntu Touch | Aug 07 10:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Developers http://t.co/hWkrQEppI5 | Aug 07 10:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Aug 07 10:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | GCC 5 Is Causing Headaches For Ubuntu Touch Developers - Phoronix | Aug 07 10:08 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open-source software boost for public health | Aug 07 10:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | sector http://t.co/LkXvzEXKn7 | Aug 07 10:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 07 10:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open-source software boost for public health sector | Tux Machines | Aug 07 10:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mozilla Firefox 39.0.3 Hotfix Out Now to Patch | Aug 07 10:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | a Critical Issue in the Built-in PDF Viewer | Aug 07 10:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/EoUdiS5g8i (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 07 10:19 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Mozilla Firefox 39.0.3 Hotfix Out Now to Patch a Critical Issue in the Built-in PDF Viewer | Tux Machines | Aug 07 10:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines openSUSE Leap 42 Might Land on November 4, | Aug 07 10:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Tumbleweed Gets LibreOffice 5.0 | Aug 07 10:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Y1BwI7EUyG (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 07 10:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ndlgt | Aug 07 10:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | openSUSE Leap 42 Might Land on November 4, Tumbleweed Gets LibreOffice 5.0 | Tux Machines | Aug 07 10:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "Onie is a small, Linux based operating system | Aug 07 10:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | that runs on a bare-metal switch." | Aug 07 10:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/MgWHg4GGSd (www.networkworld.com) | Aug 07 10:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.networkworld.com | SDN switches aren't hard to compromise, researcher says | Network World | Aug 07 10:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ndlgv | Aug 07 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | Ars Technica | Aug 07 10:22 |
| DaemonFC | 16 hrs · | Aug 07 10:22 |
| DaemonFC | As always, wipe the devices yourself. | Aug 07 10:22 |
| DaemonFC | http://trib.al/J54NAyz | Aug 07 10:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | Best Buy fails to erase some returned devices before re-selling them | Ars Technica | Aug 07 10:22 | |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer Before I traded in my LG G2 for the Galaxy S6, I removed all my apps and files and ran a free space wiper over all the free space, then I encrypted the phone, then I decrypted it, then I reset the phone to factory settings. Good luck getting my info out of that thing. Seriously, who turns in a device that's permanently logged into their accounts? Only an Apple user. Christ. I keep telling people there's a price to be paid for | Aug 07 10:22 |
| DaemonFC | making computers for emo kids and senior citizens. | Aug 07 10:22 |
| DaemonFC | Oh, and the Apple TV sucks as bad as anything else Apple makes. HBO tweeted "We know how we'll be watching the next season of Game of Thrones.". I would have tweeted back, "If it's on Apple TV, by rebooting it every time it goes into permanent buffering spinny beach ball mode?". | Aug 07 10:24 |
| DaemonFC | , but I didn't use Twitter then. | Aug 07 10:24 |
| DaemonFC | It works on Android or Android+Chromecast now, so I might have to pick up a Chromecast. They're only $35. | Aug 07 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer shared John Antonio's photo. | Aug 07 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | Just now · | Aug 07 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | LMAO! | Aug 07 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11825762_10205008461066310_5816740742907296271_n.jpg?oh=c24ffb52a31816231bab31515d59d5f2&oe=56409617 | Aug 07 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | http://gizmodo.com/the-worst-apple-store-customer-horror-story-1722558371 | Aug 07 10:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gizmodo.com | The Worst Apple Store Customer Horror Story [ http://ur1.ca/ndljf ] | Aug 07 10:30 | |
| DaemonFC | " I just want you to either fix my phone or get me a new one. Now, like, right now. Otherwise I’m going to leave this shitty fucking phone here and get a Samsung. " | Aug 07 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | Provlem solved. | Aug 07 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | "Frankly, you guys trying to go above and beyond in terms of helping me makes me sick, I ask you to fix my phone and you want me to drive to another store to get it replaced. No, I don’t want a iPhone Five, if you’re going to give me a new phone I want a Six Plus. You guys screwed up by not having it in stock and I want you to take care of it." | Aug 07 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | Sounds about like "one of them". | Aug 07 10:33 |
| MinceR | they get the customers they deserve | Aug 07 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiyMx7rDKAM | Aug 07 10:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | [ Orginal ] Lady goes crazy at an Apple Store - Woman Freaks Out At Apple Store - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/ndll3 ] | Aug 07 10:37 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/politics/trump-proudly-admits-he-buys-politicians-including-almost-everyone-on-stage-with-him-video/ | Aug 07 10:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ifyouonlynews.com | Trump Proudly ADMITS He Buys Politicians — Including Almost Everyone On Stage With Him (VIDEO) | If You Only News [ http://ur1.ca/ndlno ] | Aug 07 10:47 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/629583033046315008 | Aug 07 10:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gnutelephony: @schestowitz exactly the kind of thing you would expect a failing company to do... | Aug 07 10:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/coryxoxo/status/629584422593900544 | Aug 07 10:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@coryxoxo: @schestowitz Ain't nobody trying to leaves-drop on trees. | Aug 07 10:49 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The funny part was her phone was out of warranty and she hadn't bought a protection plan, so they were well within their rights to tell her tough luck and go buy yourself a new phone. | Aug 07 10:53 |
| DaemonFC | They probably only gave her a new one for free to get rid of her, and because Apple customers buy so much crap that they make a fortune off of you even losing the phone sale. | Aug 07 10:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 07 10:53 |
| schestowitz | Kerry is a master bullshitter who probably took lessons from the Clinton’s. | Aug 07 10:53 |
| schestowitz | https://youtu.be/nS_vLTTIZL8 | Aug 07 10:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Sen. Tom Cotton's Q&A during Senate Armed Services Committee hearing heb subs - YouTube | Aug 07 10:54 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 07 10:54 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6432473 | Aug 07 10:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Germany's top prosecutor fired over treason probe https://news.yahoo.com/german-prosecutor-accuses-govt-meddling-treason-probe-130208720.html #epo takes note... | Aug 07 10:57 | |
| schestowitz | "telling your boss to mind his own business is not good for your career." | Aug 07 10:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.yahoo.com | Germany's top prosecutor fired over treason probe - Yahoo News [ http://ur1.ca/ndlq4 ] | Aug 07 10:57 | |
| schestowitz | "Well, maybe if your boss would mind his own business, you wouldn’t have to say it." | Aug 07 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-reaction-to-taylor-swift-blog-post-2015-8 | Aug 07 10:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | Apple reaction to Taylor Swift blog post - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/ndlqa ] | Aug 07 10:58 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.observerchronicle.com/politics/hiroshima-atomic-bombing-70th-anniversary-marked-with-solemn-ceremony-calls-for-nuclear-disarmament/45300/ | Aug 07 11:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.observerchronicle.com | Hiroshima Atomic Bombing 70th Anniversary Marked With Solemn Ceremony, Calls For Nuclear Disarmament | Observer Chronicle [ http://ur1.ca/ndlr3 ] | Aug 07 11:01 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6436212 | Aug 07 11:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Arma 3 Is Coming to Linux as a Non-Native Port from Bohemia Interactive http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/arma-3-is-coming-to-linux-as-a-non-native-port-from-bohemia-interactive-488689.shtml | Aug 07 11:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linux.softpedia.com | Arma 3 Is Coming to Linux as a Non-Native Port from Bohemia Interactive - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/ndlr5 ] | Aug 07 11:02 | |
| schestowitz | "#destruction #colonisation #colonialism #MilitaryIndustrialComplex" | Aug 07 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | "U.S. bomber, the Enola Homosexual, dropped the primary atomic weapon ever for use in wartime on Hiroshima at eight:15 a.m. on Aug. 6, 1945. " | Aug 07 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | LMAO!!! | Aug 07 11:02 |
| schestowitz | is that what it was called? | Aug 07 11:03 |
| DaemonFC | No. | Aug 07 11:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines DisplayLink "released a binary driver for | Aug 07 11:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu. " http://t.co/h9g0kc0cHQ | Aug 07 11:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Aug 07 11:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | DisplayLink Releases First USB 3.0 Driver, But Doesn't Appear Fully Open - Phoronix | Aug 07 11:04 | |
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| DaemonFC | The plane was called the Enola Gay, because that was the name of the pilot's mother. | Aug 07 11:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "We tried to clarify what it actually means for | Aug 07 11:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | KDE to have a vision, strategy and focus." | Aug 07 11:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/rWacsEGxHZ (blog.lydiapintscher.de) | Aug 07 11:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ndlro | Aug 07 11:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.lydiapintscher.de | Evolving KDE – framework and next steps | life at the end of the universe | Aug 07 11:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines "There’s less than week until Fedora Flock 2015 | Aug 07 11:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | in Rochester, New York!" | Aug 07 11:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | https://t.co/SR17XcRxIt (major.io) | Aug 07 11:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ndlrr | Aug 07 11:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-major.io | Less than a week until Fedora Flock 2015 - major.io | Aug 07 11:04 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6435979 | Aug 07 11:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Until or unless #twitter takes action against the underworld of spam, the site's management cannot be taken seriously https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/629546516458438656 | Aug 07 11:16 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Can't you just ignore them? I read an interesting article about a guy experimenting with buying followers. | Aug 07 11:16 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/629602011160387585 | Aug 07 11:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz was announced they simply don't have the prison room to prosecute all child porn offenders so no of course file share shouldn't | Aug 07 11:44 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Test upcoming Bodhi Linux 3.1.0; Pre-Release is | Aug 07 12:01 |
| TweetTuxMachines | out now http://t.co/mGaJTW7seR | Aug 07 12:01 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Test upcoming Bodhi Linux 3.1.0; Pre-Release is out now | Tux Machines | Aug 07 12:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Free Windows 10 Has Big Costs, Where's | Aug 07 12:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/D0uBTKZp5q? (www.gimp.org) | Aug 07 12:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/X487ENzNYb (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 07 12:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gimp.org | GIMP - The GNU Image Manipulation Program | Aug 07 12:02 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Free Windows 10 Has Big Costs, Where's GIMP.org? | Tux Machines | Aug 07 12:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE and Akademy http://t.co/CHkK5qN09h | Aug 07 12:02 |
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| cubexyz | too many blogs concentrate on unimportant and transitory subjects | Aug 07 13:29 |
| cubexyz | people should think about the concepts rather than specific details | Aug 07 13:30 |
| oiaohm | Really same has been said about books. | Aug 07 13:30 |
| cubexyz | concept number 1: a laptop with interchangeable parts | Aug 07 13:31 |
| cubexyz | doesn't really exist | Aug 07 13:31 |
| oiaohm | I do have a ATX labtop | Aug 07 13:31 |
| cubexyz | oh? | Aug 07 13:32 |
| cubexyz | not micro-atx? | Aug 07 13:32 |
| oiaohm | Its mill grade kit. Its not small. | Aug 07 13:33 |
| cubexyz | is this something you can buy off the shelf? | Aug 07 13:33 |
| oiaohm | Its a port that opens up. | Aug 07 13:33 |
| oiaohm | LCD screen mounts to lid. | Aug 07 13:33 |
| oiaohm | ATX mothborboard full size exposed when open. | Aug 07 13:33 |
| oiaohm | The thing is not small or light. | Aug 07 13:34 |
| cubexyz | the idea is interesting for sure | Aug 07 13:35 |
| oiaohm | Fun part is the case is a table. | Aug 07 13:35 |
| cubexyz | a micro-atx laptop seems at least possible | Aug 07 13:36 |
| msb_ | oiaohm: Where did you get it? Web page reference? Does it have a hard drive? | Aug 07 13:36 |
| msb_ | "case is a table" doesn't sound very portable | Aug 07 13:37 |
| MinceR | 143122 < cubexyz> concept number 1: a laptop with interchangeable parts | Aug 07 13:38 |
| MinceR | PiTop | Aug 07 13:38 |
| cubexyz | hmmm | Aug 07 13:38 |
| MinceR | there's also the novena | Aug 07 13:39 |
| oiaohm | msb_: I said labtop not laptop. | Aug 07 13:39 |
| MinceR | though i'm not sure how much you can change the mainboard | Aug 07 13:39 |
| oiaohm | msb_: Its a mil transport case 1.2M across 0.8 width and 0.3 thick. | Aug 07 13:42 |
| cubexyz | lol 1.2 metres | Aug 07 13:42 |
| oiaohm | It is truly not small. | Aug 07 13:43 |
| cubexyz | that's almost 4 feet wide | Aug 07 13:43 |
| msb_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroATX | Aug 07 13:43 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: I forgot to say its dual motherboard. | Aug 07 13:44 |
| MinceR | maybe it's also possible to build a pitop-like case around a caseless intel NUC mainboard | Aug 07 13:44 |
| oiaohm | Its a true beast and a half. | Aug 07 13:44 |
| cubexyz | it would be simpler just to stick a pc in every room of your house | Aug 07 13:44 |
| oiaohm | Correctly kitted is 8 CPUs, 8GPU and 12 harddrives. | Aug 07 13:45 |
| oiaohm | You can guess what the beast is designed for. | Aug 07 13:45 |
| msb_ | Launching ICBMs? | Aug 07 13:45 |
| cubexyz | backups? | Aug 07 13:45 |
| oiaohm | electronic warfare | Aug 07 13:45 |
| MinceR | beating people to a pulp with it? | Aug 07 13:45 |
| msb_ | Shooting down incoming Saucers? | Aug 07 13:45 |
| cubexyz | haha | Aug 07 13:46 |
| cubexyz | you can't shoot down klaatu | Aug 07 13:46 |
| oiaohm | Or airtraffic control. | Aug 07 13:46 |
| oiaohm | depending on what software is loaded. | Aug 07 13:46 |
| oiaohm | or both at the same time. | Aug 07 13:46 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: I wonder why they didn't try to shoot him down. Usually they would. | Aug 07 13:47 |
| oiaohm | Of course what I have is a superseed model. | Aug 07 13:47 |
| msb_ | It can replicate itself? | Aug 07 13:48 |
| oiaohm | Its been replaced by rack servers in boxes. | Aug 07 13:48 |
| oiaohm | And shipping containers. | Aug 07 13:48 |
| msb_ | And drones. Don't forget those. | Aug 07 13:49 |
| cubexyz | with a micro-atx laptop you've have to have some thickness to allow for the PCI cards, if any | Aug 07 13:49 |
| cubexyz | not sure if anyone has done that | Aug 07 13:49 |
| oiaohm | msb_: what I had was pre major drone warfare. | Aug 07 13:49 |
| oiaohm | msb_: post is rackservers in boxes. | Aug 07 13:49 |
| oiaohm | http://www.chassis-plans.com/blog/designing-computers-for-harsh-environments/ | Aug 07 13:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.chassis-plans.com | Designing Computers For Harsh Environments | Chassis Plans Rugged Blog [ http://ur1.ca/ndn1c ] | Aug 07 13:52 | |
| oiaohm | The modern ones look like that. | Aug 07 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Yes take 2 very big guys to pick the current ones up. | Aug 07 13:52 |
| oiaohm | My old 1.2 metre one is in fact lot simpler to move. | Aug 07 13:53 |
| cubexyz | novena looks promising | Aug 07 13:57 |
| msb_ | http://www.pcworld.com/article/2905152/raspberry-pi-2-laptop-coming-with-pitop-assembly-kit.html | Aug 07 13:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com | Raspberry Pi 2 laptop coming with Pi-Top assembly kit | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/ndn2r ] | Aug 07 13:58 | |
| oiaohm | http://www.ariesys.com.tw/3-Screen%20portable%20workstation/ARP693.htm | Aug 07 14:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ariesys.com.tw | ARP693 3-screen 21.5 LCD portable chassis, 1920x 1080 resolution for ATX motherboard, Extended ATX [ http://ur1.ca/ndn3b ] | Aug 07 14:00 | |
| oiaohm | I thought I remembered something modern but weaker. | Aug 07 14:00 |
| oiaohm | Yes ATX labtops are all in the huge size class. | Aug 07 14:01 |
| cubexyz | ok, I don't need the triple display :) | Aug 07 14:01 |
| cubexyz | ARP640 has a single display | Aug 07 14:02 |
| MinceR | reinforced desk that doesn't immediately buckle under the load not included :> | Aug 07 14:03 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that is why the old version with built in table was such a good idea. | Aug 07 14:04 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 07 14:04 |
| cubexyz | ok, ARL945-B looks even better | Aug 07 14:04 |
| cubexyz | very expensive I imagine | Aug 07 14:05 |
| cubexyz | a laptop with full-length PCI slots | Aug 07 14:05 |
| cubexyz | hot swappable battery packs | Aug 07 14:06 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly sure that you would put that thing on lap. | Aug 07 14:07 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I think you are underestimating how heavy ARL945-B is. | Aug 07 14:07 |
| cubexyz | no, I'm aware of the weight | Aug 07 14:07 |
| cubexyz | 6.8 kg | Aug 07 14:08 |
| oiaohm | That is not fitted with drives. | Aug 07 14:08 |
| cubexyz | has built-in 500 gb drive | Aug 07 14:09 |
| oiaohm | ie support 1x 2.5" removable SATA | Aug 07 14:09 |
| oiaohm | I said drives. | Aug 07 14:09 |
| oiaohm | Full configures is more 7KG. | Aug 07 14:09 |
| oiaohm | Serousally not fun on lap. | Aug 07 14:09 |
| cubexyz | most laptops aren't | Aug 07 14:10 |
| cubexyz | for one thing, they heat up a lot | Aug 07 14:10 |
| cubexyz | unless you go old | Aug 07 14:10 |
| oiaohm | To be correct these big rugged ones don't burn you. | Aug 07 14:10 |
| msb_ | http://www.kosagi.com/w/index.php?title=Novena_Main_Page | Aug 07 14:10 |
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| oiaohm | Heavy as hell but cooling is very safe. | Aug 07 14:10 |
| MinceR | crApple laptops are not recommended to use in your lap, as they will burn you | Aug 07 14:11 |
| cubexyz | even the 286's with the monochrome plasma displays generated lots of heat | Aug 07 14:11 |
| MinceR | (also, this sort of thing might be why the industry calls them notebooks now) | Aug 07 14:11 |
| cubexyz | enough heat to melt a keyboard :-/ | Aug 07 14:12 |
| msb_ | Alternative would be reliable commercial laptop (Sony?) with multi-year warranty. | Aug 07 14:12 |
| msb_ | Perhaps less aggravation overall. | Aug 07 14:13 |
| MinceR | panasonic toughbook? | Aug 07 14:14 |
| cubexyz | the pitop might not generate a lot of heat | Aug 07 14:14 |
| MinceR | lenovo thinkpad? | Aug 07 14:14 |
| msb_ | Cost of $1200 spread over 4 years $1/day. | Aug 07 14:14 |
| oiaohm | Really I am tempts to built a new ATX one following mil using vesa mounting standard LCD screen. | Aug 07 14:15 |
| cubexyz | at least with the pitop you're dealing with easily replaceable parts | Aug 07 14:15 |
| oiaohm | Following the old mil | Aug 07 14:15 |
| oiaohm | Desing | Aug 07 14:15 |
| oiaohm | The mill one that is 1.2 metres is 3 screens. | Aug 07 14:16 |
| cubexyz | the rasberry pi just screws directly into the case | Aug 07 14:16 |
| cubexyz | looks easy to replace/upgrade | Aug 07 14:16 |
| oiaohm | The power management board worries me cubexyz | Aug 07 14:17 |
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| cubexyz | that indiegogo.com web site really sucks | Aug 07 14:21 |
| cubexyz | what is your concern over the power management board? | Aug 07 14:23 |
| oiaohm | lithim batteries and shorts are not you best friend. | Aug 07 14:24 |
| cubexyz | is there any laptop with solar panels? I thought OLPC had something like that | Aug 07 14:25 |
| MinceR | pretty much every laptop uses lithium batteries nowadays | Aug 07 14:25 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: it the way the connections are done. | Aug 07 14:26 |
| oiaohm | the power management board is one I would by nature spend a bit extra on putting some shielding on it. | Aug 07 14:28 |
| oiaohm | So fingers and other items cannot get into wrong places. | Aug 07 14:28 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: there have been laptops with solar pannels. | Aug 07 14:29 |
| oiaohm | Mostly avoided since heat + battery not exactly great idea. | Aug 07 14:29 |
| cubexyz | TRS-80 Model 100 ran on 4 AA batteries :) | Aug 07 14:29 |
| cubexyz | originally known as the Kyotronic 85 | Aug 07 14:30 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, ah I see | Aug 07 14:30 |
| cubexyz | maybe the solar panels could be external | Aug 07 14:30 |
| cubexyz | i.e. not built into the laptop's case | Aug 07 14:31 |
| oiaohm | Then it becomes really why not use a fold out solar pannel for charging. | Aug 07 14:31 |
| cubexyz | couldn't one hand crank the battery on the OLPC-1? | Aug 07 14:32 |
| cubexyz | also the TRS-80 Model 100 could run for 20 hours on 4 AAs | Aug 07 14:33 |
| oiaohm | http://www.voltaicsystems.com/ | Aug 07 14:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voltaicsystems.com | Voltaic Systems | Aug 07 14:34 | |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I guess you had not seen this stulff. | Aug 07 14:34 |
| oiaohm | This stuff makes the idea of embed solar pannel in device mostly pointless and harmful. | Aug 07 14:34 |
| cubexyz | interesting | Aug 07 14:35 |
| oiaohm | https://www.k-tor.com/hand-crank-generator/ | Aug 07 14:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.k-tor.com | Hand Crank Generator – Hand Powered Generator – Hand Crank Charger [ http://ur1.ca/ndnco ] | Aug 07 14:36 | |
| oiaohm | If you want to do your arms in cubexyz | Aug 07 14:36 |
| cubexyz | hmmm, any rechargeable device that consumes less than 10 watts | Aug 07 14:37 |
| oiaohm | https://www.k-tor.com/pedal-powered-generator/ | Aug 07 14:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.k-tor.com | Pedal Generator – Pedal Power Generator – Bicycle Like Charger [ http://ur1.ca/ndnda ] | Aug 07 14:38 | |
| oiaohm | The pedal power stuff is more serous and more human friendly. | Aug 07 14:38 |
| oiaohm | Hand cranking is mostly toy stuff cubexyz | Aug 07 14:39 |
| cubexyz | I see | Aug 07 14:39 |
| oiaohm | And most pedal power generators designed right can be hand operated. | Aug 07 14:39 |
| oiaohm | Ok you need a table/floor to use them. | Aug 07 14:40 |
| oiaohm | The problem is most of this stuff is not cheap cubexyz | Aug 07 14:42 |
| cubexyz | OLPC-1 has an external hand crank is $13 | Aug 07 14:44 |
| oiaohm | Problem is how long you can keep that up. | Aug 07 14:44 |
| oiaohm | I know pedal power from the fact Australian radios for flying doctors used them. | Aug 07 14:45 |
| oiaohm | Yes those old radios are down right power hungry. | Aug 07 14:45 |
| oiaohm | so running a device for 8 hours by pedal power is possible. | Aug 07 14:46 |
| oiaohm | Even better while operating the pedals you can be using the device. | Aug 07 14:46 |
| cubexyz | sears sold something like that but it didn't power anything | Aug 07 14:46 |
| cubexyz | solely for exercise | Aug 07 14:46 |
| oiaohm | Its not a complex device. | Aug 07 14:47 |
| oiaohm | http://www.gotwind.org/diy/300w-Pedal-generator.htm There are some quite serous power supply levels achivable | Aug 07 14:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gotwind.org | 300w pedal generator [ http://ur1.ca/ndngg ] | Aug 07 14:49 | |
| oiaohm | and starting off with a bike you can have gearing. | Aug 07 14:49 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: Its something I have thought as wrong for a long time. | Aug 07 14:50 |
| oiaohm | Is why do work sports centre devices cannot be powered by the humans in them. | Aug 07 14:51 |
| oiaohm | All the effort the people who go there to work out used they should have a zero power bill. | Aug 07 14:52 |
| cubexyz | he's achieving 150 watts for 1/2 hour | Aug 07 14:52 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, that's a very valid point | Aug 07 14:52 |
| cubexyz | a lot of things in our society do not bear close scrutiny | Aug 07 14:53 |
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| cubexyz | why do OEMs almost never preload Linux or BSD? | Aug 07 14:54 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly true | Aug 07 14:54 |
| oiaohm | Lot of OEM preload. just retailers don't buy them. | Aug 07 14:54 |
| oiaohm | Preload Linux | Aug 07 14:55 |
| MinceR | they do, in chrome os devices and in android devices | Aug 07 14:55 |
| MinceR | also in SBC-s | Aug 07 14:55 |
| oiaohm | From HP under enterprise I can order laptops with ubuntu or debian custom images | Aug 07 14:55 |
| oiaohm | That is where when you open up the new HP laptop box the customers internal Linux is already installed. | Aug 07 14:56 |
| oiaohm | And tested | Aug 07 14:56 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: so its more a question why retailers don't order it. | Aug 07 14:57 |
| cubexyz | yes everyone seems to be selling chromebooks and chromeboxes | Aug 07 14:57 |
| oiaohm | Because retailers believe they can move them. | Aug 07 14:58 |
| cubexyz | I don't like the chromebooks keyboards so I'm more interested in chromeboxes | Aug 07 14:58 |
| oiaohm | HP Dell lentivo(misspelt) I know sell Linux preinstalled laptops to enterprises | Aug 07 14:58 |
| oiaohm | And do to retails who order it as well. | Aug 07 14:58 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: going back 15 years finding OEMs who would put a Linux image on at factory was hard. | Aug 07 15:03 |
| oiaohm | Today its not. | Aug 07 15:03 |
| oiaohm | Now finding a OEM who will sell it general retail or it is general retail that is a test. | Aug 07 15:03 |
| cubexyz | I don't think any of my LCDs have display ports | Aug 07 15:05 |
| oiaohm | Lucky for display port to hdmi | Aug 07 15:09 |
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| msb_ | cubexyz: What's wrong with chromebook keyboards? | Aug 07 15:27 |
| cubexyz | the one I used felt really cheap | Aug 07 15:27 |
| msb_ | How so? Tactile feel? | Aug 07 15:28 |
| cubexyz | yeah, it felt mushy | Aug 07 15:28 |
| cubexyz | also the keys were pretty tiny | Aug 07 15:28 |
| msb_ | Can one put real Linux on a chromebook? | Aug 07 15:28 |
| cubexyz | sure | Aug 07 15:28 |
| msb_ | So you | Aug 07 15:29 |
| msb_ | So you're not restricted to their cloud, appstore, whatever? | Aug 07 15:29 |
| cubexyz | nope | Aug 07 15:29 |
| msb_ | http://www.techradar.com/us/news/mobile-computing/laptops/best-chromebooks-top-5-chromebooks-in-the-us-1233696 | Aug 07 15:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techradar.com | 10 Best Chromebooks 2015: top Chromebooks reviewed | TechRadar [ http://ur1.ca/ndnut ] | Aug 07 15:31 | |
| msb_ | For $300, some of those look very good! | Aug 07 15:31 |
| msb_ | Does the keyboard at least give an audio click? | Aug 07 15:32 |
| msb_ | Or is that something you can turn on in Linux? | Aug 07 15:32 |
| cubexyz | there's xset b on | Aug 07 15:32 |
| cubexyz | that's why I was thinking about chromebox instead | Aug 07 15:34 |
| msb_ | cubexyz: looks like xset c in my manpage. | Aug 07 15:34 |
| cubexyz | then I can just connect any usb keyboard to it... of course you could do the same thing on a chromebook | Aug 07 15:34 |
| cubexyz | msb_, may depend on which terminal emulator is used | Aug 07 15:38 |
| msb_ | Do those chromebooks have ethernet? Or do you have to go thru a USB2 adapter? | Aug 07 15:46 |
| msb_ | I don't want to fry my brain with wifi. | Aug 07 15:46 |
| msb_ | But I guess if I'm out and about wifi is the only choice. | Aug 07 15:49 |
| msb_ | Well I can wear my usual tinfoil-lined hat that I use to keep out the reptoid mind-rays. | Aug 07 15:50 |
| msb_ | That's for schestowitz, who said I'm full of looney ideas. | Aug 07 15:50 |
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| msb_ | The chromebooks look better than the Pi-Top for about the same price. | Aug 07 15:53 |
| cubexyz | hopefully the insectoids and reptilians will cancel each other out :) | Aug 07 15:56 |
| msb_ | But I sure want a high-speed ethernet connection to transfer data to/from my desktop. | Aug 07 15:56 |
| msb_ | I think the reptilians _eat_ the insectoids! | Aug 07 15:56 |
| cubexyz | haha | Aug 07 15:57 |
| cubexyz | yeah they eat the small ones | Aug 07 15:57 |
| msb_ | And the pupas of the big ones. Say they taste like shrimp. | Aug 07 15:57 |
| msb_ | This has been an extremely educational discussion! I love this channel, even though I get kicked off of it occasionally. | Aug 07 16:02 |
| msb_ | Only time I used wifi for more than a few seconds I put a transceiver at the end of a 15-foot ethernet cable to keep the field strength down at my head (inverse-square law). | Aug 07 16:13 |
| msb_ | It's not the heating that does the damage from the RF, it's exertion of force on replicating chromosomes because the RF permeability of the chromosomes is different from that of the cytoplasm/nucleoplasm. Moves the chromosomes around like iron filings in a magnetic field, causing mutations. | Aug 07 16:15 |
| msb_ | This was discovered in the 1950s. | Aug 07 16:16 |
| msb_ | And monkeys have been given brain cancer by fastening cellphones to the side of their head. | Aug 07 16:17 |
| msb_ | This is real. I am not kidding. | Aug 07 16:17 |
| msb_ | In the 1950s experiments were done with putting growing garlic root tips in a strong RF field (100volt/inch). After a few hours they showed every chromosome abnormality known to man. | Aug 07 16:22 |
| msb_ | This was in one chapter of a great science book I had as a kid. Another chapter talked about running a relativistic electron beam from an accelerator through a metallic comb structure, and a beam of blue light shot out of it!. The spacing of the comb teeth was reduced to the wavelength of light by relativity. | Aug 07 16:27 |
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| cubexyz | I don't use cellphones or wifi | Aug 07 16:35 |
| msb_ | If you must use a cellphone in an emergency, set it to "speaker" and hold it at arm's length. | Aug 07 16:39 |
| msb_ | Cuts down the field strength by about 100x. | Aug 07 16:41 |
| cubexyz | most newer chromebooks don't have an ethernet port | Aug 07 16:42 |
| cubexyz | you would need to use a USB to Ethernet adapter | Aug 07 16:43 |
| abeNd-org | & good luck finding one that is actually supported | Aug 07 16:43 |
| cubexyz | although the Acer C7 chromebook has an ethernet port | Aug 07 16:44 |
| cubexyz | the C7 has a VGA port as well | Aug 07 16:46 |
| cubexyz | good for older computer people like me :) | Aug 07 16:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Mint 17.2 "Rafaela" KDE Released with KDE | Aug 07 16:46 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu's Deb-Based Software Center Fails As An | Aug 07 16:46 |
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| msb_ | I just google for linux <thing's model number> to find out if Linux supports it. | Aug 07 16:48 |
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| msb_ | Some poor soul using Ubuntu will have tried it. | Aug 07 16:53 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A Couple of Mockups for Plasma Mobile Look | Aug 07 17:00 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Mint 17.2 "Rafaela" KDE Released with KDE | Aug 07 17:00 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines “I hope you enjoy the plasma 5.4 release.” | Aug 07 17:19 |
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| cubexyz | interesting situation with the monitors | Aug 07 18:21 |
| cubexyz | there's input priority on the benq monitor | Aug 07 18:22 |
| cubexyz | there's input priority on the benq monitor | Aug 07 18:35 |
| cubexyz | oops | Aug 07 18:35 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE's Breeze Icons Get Expanded For Plasma 5.4 | Aug 07 18:42 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE's Breeze Icons Get Expanded For Plasma 5.4 | Tux Machines | Aug 07 18:42 | |
| cubexyz | displayport worries me a little | Aug 07 18:48 |
| cubexyz | there's some optional DRM mechanism | Aug 07 18:49 |
| cubexyz | it seems VGA and DVI are going the way of the dodo to be replace by DisplayPort and HDMI | Aug 07 18:50 |
| schestowitz | phoronux just slammed them | Aug 07 18:58 |
| schestowitz | for their binary driver | Aug 07 18:58 |
| schestowitz | *phoronix | Aug 07 18:58 |
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| msb_ | Well, fortunately, with GNU/Linux, we can use whatever driver we want, and to hell with any DRM. | Aug 07 19:16 |
| msb_ | Worst case, whoever cracks it can put it up anonymously, and Linux users can download it by a variety of means, and from a variety of places. North Korea and Iran must be good for something. 8^) | Aug 07 19:19 |
| msb_ | Hopefully Sony doesn't have its own drone fleet. | Aug 07 19:20 |
| msb_ | Since Microsoft has said it will copy from any Windows 10 user any files that it feels are relevant for regulating the system, presumably that will include programs to circumvent DRM. | Aug 07 19:26 |
| msb_ | Can Poettering do any less in his version of Windowsd? He must report any anti-DRM software directly to the NSA. | Aug 07 19:27 |
| cubexyz | well that's part of why the openbsd folks view Linux with some concern | Aug 07 19:28 |
| cubexyz | Linux is drifting farther away from traditional Unix with projects like systemd and wayland | Aug 07 19:29 |
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| msb_ | Well, I used BSD at the University of California by phone-modem and BASIC terminal emulator in the 1990s and paid for the privilege. I guess that if Linus and RMS won't protect Linux from the Poettering takeover I can go back to BSD today. | Aug 07 19:32 |
| cubexyz | so GNOME and KDE will become harder to port to BSD... not a good thing | Aug 07 19:32 |
| cubexyz | e.g. GNOME/KDE increasingly rely on systemd components | Aug 07 19:33 |
| cubexyz | apparently the newer versions of GNOME can't run with BSD init | Aug 07 19:35 |
| cubexyz | I'm sure someone will fix that though | Aug 07 19:37 |
| cubexyz | one good thing openbsd does is run Xorg as a user instead of root | Aug 07 19:40 |
| cubexyz | fedora 16 still ran Xorg as root | Aug 07 19:41 |
| cubexyz | not sure about newer Linuxes | Aug 07 19:41 |
| msb_ | There are lots of posts on the trinity mailing lists about a TDE distribution for BSD. So the TDE fork of KDE3 will be available for BSD. And it does not and will not depend on systemd. As to KDE4/5, KDE4 had lots of problems, and 5 probably does to, whereas KDE3 is excellent. | Aug 07 19:44 |
| cubexyz | ok, any bsd distro with trinity ready to go? | Aug 07 19:44 |
| cubexyz | I'd run that for sure | Aug 07 19:45 |
| msb_ | I don't think so yet, but people are working hard on it. | Aug 07 19:45 |
| msb_ | 17 list posts in the last few months, and "the freebsd ports tree from from tde-packaging" is mentioned. | Aug 07 19:48 |
| msb_ | (with only one "from" -- my error) | Aug 07 19:50 |
| cubexyz | I could try compiling some parts of trinity myself | Aug 07 19:51 |
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| msb_ | Here are the list archives: http://trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net/ http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ | Aug 07 19:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net | trinity-devel@lists.pearsoncomputing.net [ http://ur1.ca/ndqhi ] | Aug 07 19:54 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net | trinity-users@lists.pearsoncomputing.net [ http://ur1.ca/ndqhj ] | Aug 07 19:54 | |
| cubexyz | I assume I can't just compile it with the KDE 3.5.10 libraries | Aug 07 19:54 |
| msb_ | And here's the website: https://www.trinitydesktop.org/index.php | Aug 07 19:55 |
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| cubexyz | guess I'll start with kdelibs-trinity | Aug 07 19:56 |
| msb_ | Probably not, but don't take my word for it. #trinity-desktop on irc.opensuse.org | Aug 07 19:57 |
| msb_ | I recommend reading the list posts first. | Aug 07 19:58 |
| msb_ | I think they did some major fiddling with the qt libraries. | Aug 07 20:00 |
| cubexyz | well there's kdelibs-trinity so... I figure I need those first | Aug 07 20:00 |
| msb_ | I tend to gather all available info first. But as the crazed surgeon said, "Suture self!" | Aug 07 20:02 |
| cubexyz | I wouldn't mind getting kooka working again | Aug 07 20:04 |
| cubexyz | it stopped working because of the switch to libusb | Aug 07 20:04 |
| msb_ | As to gnome, I don't remember if I ever tried it, but it doesn't seem to have a good reputation among professional Linux users. | Aug 07 20:10 |
| cubexyz | you never used gtk? | Aug 07 20:13 |
| msb_ | I use gFTP. | Aug 07 20:14 |
| msb_ | I haven't done much with graphics in Linux, I'm sorry to say. Gotta make time for that! | Aug 07 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6437404 | Aug 07 21:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Just been stopped in the street again by #mormon missionaries; turns out one who's from #utah had her dad work for #novell before #hovsepian | Aug 07 21:19 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 07 21:19 |
| schestowitz | They send women out on missions where you are? | Aug 07 21:19 |
| schestowitz | In the U.S., as far as I know, only men go on missions. | Aug 07 21:19 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 07 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Not only did they send women, they were going into a rough neighbourhood in Manchester (Clayton), which probably didn't make them safe TBH | Aug 07 21:19 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6438012 | Aug 07 21:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Privacy Badger 1.0 Is Here To Stop Online Tracking! https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/08/privacy-badger-10-here-stop-online-tracking #eff #surveillance | Aug 07 21:20 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.eff.org | Privacy Badger 1.0 Is Here To Stop Online Tracking! | Electronic Frontier Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/ndi22 ] | Aug 07 21:20 | |
| schestowitz | "pdfjs.disabled has (for I don’t know how long) been true on my Firefox. I suspect this is why the built-in pdf viewer isn’t used when click on a link to a pdf file. I guess this means I was already immune to this. Mozilla blog past indicates some add-ons might have made me immune as well, but doesn’t bother to tell me what those are." | Aug 07 21:20 |
| schestowitz | "Hmm. Not at all sure about pdfjs.disabled." | Aug 07 21:22 |
| amarsh04 | I learn something new again from #radeon <agd5f> amarsh04, the drm core subsystem is incompatible with kexec the way it's currently designed | Aug 07 21:28 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Why Linux enthusiasts are arguing over Purism's | Aug 07 21:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | sleek, idealistic Librem laptops | Aug 07 21:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Why Linux enthusiasts are arguing over Purism's sleek, idealistic Librem laptops | Tux Machines | Aug 07 21:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Wine development release 1.7.49 is now | Aug 07 21:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | available http://t.co/MsuxJfqVFl | Aug 07 21:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Wine development release 1.7.49 is now available | Tux Machines | Aug 07 21:58 | |
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| cubexyz | msb_, ok first step in building kdelibs-trinity... update libtool | Aug 07 22:47 |
| cubexyz | I'll keep notes | Aug 07 22:48 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/629741643785203713 https://twitter.com/RamiSilawi/status/629770605252907008 | Aug 07 22:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Psychologist’s Work for GCHQ Deception Unit Inflames Debate Among Peers @schestowitz @ruskin147 http://t.co/Tm30yHS0Gg | Aug 07 22:49 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamiSilawi: My desktop rocks! What about yours? #GoLinux #Linux #free #secure #opensource #privacy #productivity http://t.co/FEsEgn6Enn | Aug 07 22:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamiSilawi: My desktop rocks! What about yours? #GoLinux #Linux #free #secure #opensource #privacy #productivity http://t.co/FEsEgn6Enn | Aug 07 22:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/EjNtiZ03JN | Aug 07 22:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Aug 07 22:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CentOS Linux 6.7 released | Aug 07 22:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CentOS Linux 6.7 released | Tux Machines | Aug 07 22:53 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora: The Latest | Tux Machines | Aug 07 23:44 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Chromebooks in school: How to pick the best | Aug 07 23:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | laptop for any student http://t.co/nQZjcJb0Nm | Aug 07 23:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Aug 08 00:04 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines An Everyday Linux User Review Of Elementary OS | Aug 08 00:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Freya http://t.co/wAHMcXk9h1 | Aug 08 00:04 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6438867 | Aug 08 00:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@harryhaller@nerdpol.ch: Microsoft Crime Persists: [AstroTurfing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing) a Regular Practice, Reddit Full of Paid Microsoft AstroTurfers | Techrights - http://techrights.org/2013/06/09/reddit-infiltrated/ __“Mind Control: To control mental output you have to control mental input. Take control of the channels by which developers receive information, then they can only think about the things you tell them | Aug 08 00:18 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 08 00:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> en.wikipedia.org | Astroturfing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/ndsn6 ] | Aug 08 00:18 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Crime Persists: AstroTurfing a Regular Practice, Reddit Full of Paid Microsoft AstroTurfers | Techrights - http://techrights.org/2013/06/09/reddit-infiltrated/ | Aug 08 00:18 |
| schestowitz | “Mind Control: To control mental output you have to control mental input. Take control of the channels by which developers receive information, then they can only think about the things you tell them. Thus, you control mindshare!” (Microsoft: ibid) | Aug 08 00:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Microsoft Crime Persists: AstroTurfing a Regular Practice, Reddit Full of Paid Microsoft AstroTurfers | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/e99i2 ] | Aug 08 00:18 | |
| schestowitz | N.B Expired link to businessinsider.com here: | Aug 08 00:18 |
| schestowitz | As for the evidence of the latest claims, here it is | Aug 08 00:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> web.archive.org | Microsoft Has Hired People To Make Positive Comments About Xbox One On Reddit, Contractor Says | Business Insider Australia [ http://ur1.ca/ndsn9 ] | Aug 08 00:18 | |
| schestowitz | Well, here it is ;) | Aug 08 00:18 |
| schestowitz | via Roy | Aug 08 00:18 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2015/05/28/reddit-censorship/ | Aug 08 00:19 |
| schestowitz | #lest-we-forget #2013 #microsoft #astroturfing #reddit #techrights | Aug 08 00:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Censorship on Reddit Has Gotten (Condé) Nasty and Silent, Even Actively Silenced | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/mnwj0 ] | Aug 08 00:19 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 08 00:19 |
| schestowitz | http://web.archive.org/web/20130729140725/http://au.businessinsider.com/microsoft-positive-reddit-comments-2013-6 | Aug 08 00:19 |
| schestowitz | Some of them libel me there... | Aug 08 00:19 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6435204 | Aug 08 00:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #apple is head-hunting http://www.bidnessetc.com/49510-apple-inc-reportedly-hiring-android-engineers-is-google-android-at-risk/ http://betanews.com/2015/08/06/apple-is-hiring-android-software-engineers-but-why/ | Aug 08 00:19 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bidnessetc.com | Apple Inc. Reportedly Hiring Android Engineers, Is Google Android At Risk? [ http://ur1.ca/ndsni ] | Aug 08 00:19 | |
| schestowitz | "After all the fuss and threats Apple made against Google for doing the same. You just can’t trust Apple, can you?' | Aug 08 00:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> betanews.com | Apple is hiring Android software engineers -- but why? [ http://ur1.ca/ndsnj ] | Aug 08 00:19 | |
| schestowitz | Jobs laughs at sacking workers for it | Aug 08 00:19 |
| cubexyz | I have never given Apple any money | Aug 08 00:20 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing | Aug 08 00:20 |
| cubexyz | when the Apple II came out, I thought it was too expensive | Aug 08 00:20 |
| cubexyz | although it was a nice computer | Aug 08 00:20 |
| cubexyz | the original price was $1298 US with 4K of ram :) | Aug 08 00:21 |
| cubexyz | the Commodore PET was $795 US | Aug 08 00:22 |
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| cubexyz | I think there's probably astroturing on slashdot as well | Aug 08 00:24 |
| cubexyz | experts estimate that 1/3 of all consumer reviews on the internet are fake | Aug 08 00:25 |
| cubexyz | I thought Xbox was crap | Aug 08 00:28 |
| cubexyz | no one paid me to say that :) | Aug 08 00:28 |
| cubexyz | just clearing the air | Aug 08 00:29 |
| schestowitz | http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/35939/ | Aug 08 00:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lxer.com | LXer: free as a puppy: Open source: Free as in speech, beer - or puppy? | Aug 08 00:30 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 08 00:30 |
| schestowitz | yup, Free Software is free as a puppy, and if you take good care of it, it will grow into a healthy happy dog that will always be yours. | Aug 08 00:30 |
| schestowitz | just as closed source is like rent-a-dog. if the rent-a-dog business folds, your dog will be taken away as it's owned by the creditors, and you have no hope of ever getting it back. | Aug 08 00:30 |
| schestowitz | as for sourceforge, i don't agree that they did nothing wrong. sure, the GPL allows repackaging, but it does not allow misrepresenting the authors. | Aug 08 00:30 |
| schestowitz | sourceforge is a site that hosts authors products. as such it claims that the packages available for download are as they were created by the authors. at least this is what sourceforge was known for for a long time. by repackaging, sourceforge is lying about that claim and breaking users expectations. | Aug 08 00:30 |
| schestowitz | [url=http://sourceforge.net/p/forge/documentation/Verifying downloaded files/]http://sourceforge.net/p/forge/documentation/Verifying downl...[/url] | Aug 08 00:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sourceforge.net | SourceForge.net: Log In to SourceForge.net [ http://ur1.ca/ndsq3 ] | Aug 08 00:30 | |
| schestowitz | Quoting: | Aug 08 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Project developers may also find it useful to use checksums to verify that the upload process went smoothly, and that the file on our servers after upload is in fact the same as the file on your computer. | Aug 08 00:30 |
| schestowitz | [url=http://sourceforge.net/p/forge/documentation/Release Files for Download/]http://sourceforge.net/p/forge/documentation/Release Files f...[/url] | Aug 08 00:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sourceforge.net | SourceForge.net: Log In to SourceForge.net [ http://ur1.ca/ndsq4 ] | Aug 08 00:30 | |
| schestowitz | both pages suggest that files for download are as created by the original authors. | Aug 08 00:30 |
| schestowitz | repackaging without telling the users may not be illegal (and i am not even sure about that), but it certainly is dishonest and immoral. | Aug 08 00:30 |
| schestowitz | greetings, eMBee. | Aug 08 00:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 08 00:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 08 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Unless they have an agreement with the authors, it almost certainly is. That's what copyright is all about, after all. | Aug 08 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Now, getting a court to agree to such a common sense position is always uncertain, especially in the past few years where political connections seem to trump everything else. | Aug 08 00:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 08 00:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 08 00:31 |
| schestowitz | sounds like a trap. | Aug 08 00:31 |
| schestowitz | the irritating part is not that they are doing that, but that there appears to be no opt-out, and no indication whether a package is updated by slashdot media. | Aug 08 00:31 |
| schestowitz | greetings, martin. | Aug 08 00:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 08 00:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 08 00:32 |
| schestowitz | It does indeed. Now why exactly do you suppose they would have felt the need to add that to their terms of use? /sarcasm. | Aug 08 00:32 |
| schestowitz | It's a shame, really. Sourceforge was about all that remained of the once proud Linux company VA Linux. To see them fall this low is painful to watch. | Aug 08 00:32 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 08 00:32 |
| schestowitz | http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/35942/ | Aug 08 00:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lxer.com | LXer: Doesn't appear to adress privacy: OS showdown: Windows 10 vs Linux | Aug 08 00:32 | |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 08 00:32 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft’s new small print – how your personal data is (ab)used | Aug 08 00:32 |
| schestowitz | https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-persona... | Aug 08 00:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-persona ) | Aug 08 00:33 | |
| schestowitz | Does anyone know if this is Windows 10 specific? Or does this new policy apply across the board to all Windows versions? | Aug 08 00:33 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 08 00:33 |
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| msb__ | Power failure while I slept!!! | Aug 08 00:47 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Puri_sm/status/629805559340888066?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email | Aug 08 01:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Puri_sm: @schestowitz We agree Roy. Why not pick on the real enemies of freedom? Why not fight together instead of against each other? | Aug 08 01:11 | |
| schestowitz | msb__: good for power bill | Aug 08 01:11 |
| schestowitz | but not for food in the freezer | Aug 08 01:12 |
| msb__ | It was only for an hour or so. | Aug 08 01:13 |
| cubexyz | that's a long failure | Aug 08 01:15 |
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| msb__ | I don't know exactly. It was back on when I woke up. | Aug 08 01:17 |
| cubexyz | none of my UPSes would last an hour without power | Aug 08 01:17 |
| cubexyz | it would bring the server down | Aug 08 01:18 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, https://www.facebook.com/arstechnica/posts/10153094955738753 | Aug 08 01:29 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.facebook.com | Ars Technica - "The future, or a slice of it, can be found... | Facebook [ http://ur1.ca/ndt2i ] | Aug 08 01:29 | |
| DaemonFC | Thanks for that link, btw. | Aug 08 01:29 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/encycl/status/629811565957484544 | Aug 08 01:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@encycl: I threw mine in the garbage, too. https://t.co/8eDoqkw1Zi | Aug 08 01:30 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Eugene Kaspersky – founder of the so named antivirus company refuses to own a smartphone" http://t.co/4GyBzbVTXS makes sense | Aug 08 01:30 | |
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| msb__ | Powerloss! -- World of Ptavvs | Aug 08 02:12 |
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| msb__ | Stupid one-eyed alien with mind-control power looking for amplifier that would enable him to instantly control everyone in the Solar System. Larry Niven | Aug 08 02:15 |
| msb__ | I can't figure out why the volume level from my tv player script is gradually decreasing: | Aug 08 02:17 |
| msb__ | mplayer -ontop -tv \ | Aug 08 02:17 |
| msb__ | driver=v4l2:normid=0:buffersize=200\ | Aug 08 02:17 |
| msb__ | :alsa:adevice=hw.0:amode=2:audiorate=44100\ | Aug 08 02:17 |
| msb__ | :forceaudio:immediatemode=0 tv:// | Aug 08 02:17 |
| msb__ | The volume level from the .avi recording script has not changed. | Aug 08 02:18 |
| msb__ | I don't know what all that voodoo does. Mostly I copied it from other people's published scripts, years ago. | Aug 08 02:19 |
| msb__ | Volume has been decreasing over last several months. | Aug 08 02:20 |
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| cubexyz | check the mixer's PCM level | Aug 08 02:44 |
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| msb__ | cubexyz: checked all mixer levels and volume level from TV cable box. Use 9 and 0 keys for volume adjustment, but they work the same as / and *. | Aug 08 03:06 |
| cubexyz | you're saying the volume is decreasing on tv viewing and nothing else? | Aug 08 03:07 |
| msb__ | Yep. Not even on TV recording. | Aug 08 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | Cortana keeps resetting itself and saying "Great! Now what would you like me to call you?". | Aug 08 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | It's done it to me four times since the 29th. | Aug 08 03:09 |
| msb__ | I sometimes use softvol-max=2000 (or 3000) for playing low volume videos. But it seems to work consistently. So far I can compensate for the volume decrease by boosting the capture pot for the relative audio channel in the mixer. | Aug 08 03:11 |
| msb__ | relative -> relevant | Aug 08 03:11 |
| cubexyz | sounds like there's something wrong with the card | Aug 08 03:12 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Cortana is some kind of (presumably evil) AI thing from Microsoft. 1. You're probably better off if it doesn't know who you are. 2. Why are you using Windows? | Aug 08 03:13 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: If there were, it should equally affect the mencoder video recording script, but the volume on those avi's is fine. | Aug 08 03:14 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: If you're a masochist, get a lover with a whip. 8*) | Aug 08 03:16 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: I suspect that mplayer or v4l2 or something is keeping a volume level setting somewhere (other than .mplayer/config, which only says to use 4 threads). | Aug 08 03:18 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: so you disable it and it turns back on all by itself? | Aug 08 03:22 |
| msb__ | Oh well, it just means I have to goose up the audio capture pot on the channel connected to the cable box when I run the tvview script. | Aug 08 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | No. | Aug 08 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | It just keeps forgetting everything like it just got installed. | Aug 08 03:23 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Oh well, maybe it will get fixed in the next update, when also Microsoft harvests your bank account password and names of all the media files on your machine. | Aug 08 03:26 |
| msb__ | It would be weird if somebody figures out how to intercept all that personal data going through the Windows 10 botnet, and is able to decode it. The end of privacy as we know it. Well, as _you_ know it. | Aug 08 03:28 |
| msb__ | Good thing you're not gay or anything. | Aug 08 03:29 |
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| msb__ | Every time we think that Microsoft can't possibly get _more_ evil, they surprise us. | Aug 08 03:34 |
| cubexyz | I'm not surprised | Aug 08 03:38 |
| oiaohm | I have found something interesting. | Aug 08 03:45 |
| oiaohm | don't install nvidia settings with nvidia drivers under Debian and vdpua plays up under plamsa but works under all other wms. | Aug 08 03:46 |
| oiaohm | That is some form of super oddity. | Aug 08 03:47 |
| oiaohm | Really I always thought Microsoft would have some sane limits due to risk to government contracts. | Aug 08 03:57 |
| oiaohm | but as more governments are looking at Linux there limits are disappearing. | Aug 08 03:57 |
| cubexyz | sane limits? | Aug 08 04:32 |
| msb__ | I thought we would be approaching the Singularity, but as Black Liberal Democrat Obama announces his intention to destroy Syria as he destroyed Libya, it seems more likely that we're approaching the Apocalypse. | Aug 08 04:32 |
| msb__ | Psychopaths are not sane. | Aug 08 04:34 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, different wms use different toolkits | Aug 08 04:34 |
| cubexyz | e.g. older x programs work better with mwm | Aug 08 04:34 |
| cubexyz | gtk programs work better with gnome etc | Aug 08 04:35 |
| msb__ | Psychopaths are not even functionally human. Obama smiles constantly as he commits mass murder. | Aug 08 04:35 |
| cubexyz | but I think Microsoft may just collapse or at least contract more | Aug 08 04:36 |
| cubexyz | too many gummed up layers of crap | Aug 08 04:36 |
| cubexyz | not saying Linux is perfect, but it's better than windows by far | Aug 08 04:36 |
| msb__ | And with the Internet, too many people know about it. | Aug 08 04:36 |
| cubexyz | not too many people running windows on old computers | Aug 08 04:38 |
| cubexyz | most of the time it's impossible | Aug 08 04:38 |
| cubexyz | so more and more old computers are converted over to Linux or BSD | Aug 08 04:38 |
| msb__ | Part of theWintel deal is to force people to buy new computers. | Aug 08 04:39 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: I have different wm that use qt toolkit as well. | Aug 08 04:39 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: its just a oddity. | Aug 08 04:39 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: after installing nvidia settings the problem disappears. | Aug 08 04:40 |
| oiaohm | Sane limits historically have not been have OS auto spying on everyone who installs it out box. | Aug 08 04:41 |
| oiaohm | Because most have been smart enough to work out that inception was possible. | Aug 08 04:41 |
| cubexyz | that's just another chink in the armour of microsoft | Aug 08 04:42 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: Does spiffy new software like video editors get ported to BSD? Or can it be easily? | Aug 08 04:42 |
| oiaohm | msb__: the answer depends on what you are using. Mostly no. | Aug 08 04:42 |
| oiaohm | lightworks for example is Linux/Windows/OS X with no BSD version | Aug 08 04:43 |
| msb__ | Rats! | Aug 08 04:43 |
| cubexyz | avidemux, blender, cinelerra, kino... | Aug 08 04:44 |
| msb__ | Is there any kind of shim system to run Linux programs on bsd? | Aug 08 04:44 |
| cubexyz | yes | Aug 08 04:44 |
| cubexyz | although I haven't tried it... I just port stuff | Aug 08 04:44 |
| oiaohm | msb__: note the word mostly no. That means some are ported. | Aug 08 04:44 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: What's the shim system called? | Aug 08 04:45 |
| oiaohm | If you are after commerical grade with paid encoding codecs Linux/Windows/OS X is a must. | Aug 08 04:45 |
| oiaohm | msb__: bsd is a interesting beast. | Aug 08 04:45 |
| oiaohm | BSd kernel have changable syscall functionality per application. | Aug 08 04:46 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: I'm not interested in paying for anything. | Aug 08 04:46 |
| cubexyz | freebsd has Linux Binary Compatability | Aug 08 04:46 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: that Linux binary compadiblty comes form the bsd syscall system. | Aug 08 04:46 |
| cubexyz | in /etc/rc.conf you put linux_enable=YES | Aug 08 04:46 |
| msb__ | Freebsd runs Linux binaries??? | Aug 08 04:47 |
| msb__ | Wowie! | Aug 08 04:47 |
| cubexyz | also sometimes brandelf is needed | Aug 08 04:47 |
| cubexyz | if bsd says "ELF binary type not known" | Aug 08 04:47 |
| cubexyz | but I like to port stuff instead | Aug 08 04:48 |
| cubexyz | I run one openbsd machine, quasijarus, and bell labs Unix | Aug 08 04:48 |
| cubexyz | all the rest is Linux, with one Plan 9 box | Aug 08 04:49 |
| cubexyz | basically the Linux dev pool is bigger than the bsd dev pool | Aug 08 04:49 |
| oiaohm | msb__: solaris also runs Linux binaries inside zones. | Aug 08 04:50 |
| oiaohm | Linux syscalls due to stablity over time made there way into posix body standards. | Aug 08 04:50 |
| cubexyz | Linux and BSD used to be closer together | Aug 08 04:51 |
| oiaohm | Of course not all applications from Linux will work on BSD or other platforms with Linux binary support. | Aug 08 04:52 |
| cubexyz | if you have the source though... | Aug 08 04:53 |
| cubexyz | openbsd has mplayer and mencoder | Aug 08 04:53 |
| cubexyz | gnome on openbsd is gnome 2 | Aug 08 04:55 |
| cubexyz | just like KDE on openbsd is 3.5.10 : | Aug 08 04:55 |
| cubexyz | I've ported games to Unix v5 | Aug 08 04:57 |
| oiaohm | Biggest worry I have for BSD is how far they are behind on KMS implementation. | Aug 08 04:58 |
| oiaohm | BSD/Linux and Unix have historically had stupidity of two different things attempting to control GPU memory. | Aug 08 05:01 |
| cubexyz | you mean like the framebuffer and the video drivers? | Aug 08 05:04 |
| oiaohm | Yep | Aug 08 05:07 |
| oiaohm | Its the classic voodoo hand shake Unix systems did for years. | Aug 08 05:07 |
| oiaohm | Where X11 had to take over from framebuffer and reverse. | Aug 08 05:07 |
| oiaohm | and of course if one of them got it wrong everything failed graphically. | Aug 08 05:08 |
| cubexyz | openbsd on Vaxstations only has the framebuffer | Aug 08 05:09 |
| oiaohm | Of course once we are to KMS for graphical management we still have to solve how to reload graphics drivers without forcing full reset. | Aug 08 05:09 |
| cubexyz | openbsd has KMS now, since 5.4 I think | Aug 08 05:11 |
| oiaohm | Remember we are on to a 3 revision of KMS design. | Aug 08 05:11 |
| oiaohm | The early GEM stuff was completely stupid. | Aug 08 05:11 |
| cubexyz | what was stupid about it? | Aug 08 05:17 |
| oiaohm | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Rendering_Infrastructure | Aug 08 05:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Direct Rendering Infrastructure - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nduhi ] | Aug 08 05:17 | |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: it was huge security hole. | Aug 08 05:17 |
| oiaohm | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76377 << Then you see this. | Aug 08 05:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bugs.freedesktop.org | Bug 76377 – DRI3 should only be enabled on Linux due to a udev dependency [ http://ur1.ca/nduho ] | Aug 08 05:18 | |
| oiaohm | Yes we know DRI2 is broken but we don't fix the bsd side to use it. | Aug 08 05:18 |
| oiaohm | Opps to not use it. | Aug 08 05:18 |
| oiaohm | DRI1 and DRI2 drivers are insecure broken items. We want DRI3 or latter. | Aug 08 05:19 |
| oiaohm | Reason why DRI3 works so well is it returned to everything is a file. So normal application termination cleaning up what files an application has open works. Secuirty around files applies as well. | Aug 08 05:25 |
| cubexyz | I don't think I ever saw anything other than 80x25 on the text console on openbsd | Aug 08 05:32 |
| cubexyz | but I never saw the text console get corrupted either | Aug 08 05:33 |
| oiaohm | Its not exactly the text console appearing corrupted. | Aug 08 05:37 |
| oiaohm | Its where you have stupid colored dots on the top if the X11 screen | Aug 08 05:37 |
| oiaohm | because that is where the text has ended up. | Aug 08 05:37 |
| oiaohm | From the console. | Aug 08 05:37 |
| cubexyz | I've also seen the text console go complelete blank | Aug 08 05:39 |
| cubexyz | completely | Aug 08 05:41 |
| oiaohm | Yep that is another way for a failed transfer to happen. | Aug 08 05:44 |
| oiaohm | Graphical side of Unix/Linux/BSD world needs work. | Aug 08 05:44 |
| cubexyz | the bsd side seems fine | Aug 08 05:46 |
| cubexyz | at least it seems to have less screw ups | Aug 08 05:47 |
| cubexyz | why X can reset itself but not the framebuffer is beyond me | Aug 08 05:56 |
| cubexyz | msb__, have you ever heard of this: | Aug 08 06:14 |
| cubexyz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult | Aug 08 06:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Cargo cult - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Aug 08 06:15 | |
| msb__ | yes | Aug 08 06:16 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: the key problem with security things is the fact they can appear fine until they fail. kmscon idea is to increase the means to connect watchdog to console and reset it safely if it jamed. | Aug 08 06:21 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: basicallly vt lack of reset is partly linked to being heavly in kernel spaces single memory zone. | Aug 08 06:21 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: Hi! I'm sorry. Somebody called me up and then I fell asleep. What does Cargo Cult have to do with any of this? It reminds me of _Cat's Cradle_. | Aug 08 06:58 |
| msb__ | Is Earth culture a big Cargo Cult, at least JCI religion? We were visited by the Anunnaki a long time ago and they gave us some stuff and we've been praying for "God" to come back and give us more. | Aug 08 07:01 |
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| msb__ | Maybe one reason the US is attacking so many countries in the Middle East is because our rulers think there are some alien artifacts there, like a stargate or something. (That was in a movie.) | Aug 08 07:08 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: You're back! | Aug 08 07:09 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Godzilla_Govt/status/629813210053484544 | Aug 08 08:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Godzilla_Govt: SAVE US SCHESTOWITZ!! (Oh. You can't? Well keep troubleshooting anyway...) BOTNET!! RUN AWAY! AGHHH!! https://t.co/rYNO7pmohf | Aug 08 08:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The #Microsoft operated botnet is clearly out of control, or out of the scope of what's legal http://t.co/OShGtFl4Qt #vista10 | Aug 08 08:12 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/papazazz/status/629824425018441729 | Aug 08 08:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@papazazz: @schestowitz @alexhern I miss coontown♠️ | Aug 08 08:14 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6437404 | Aug 08 08:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Just been stopped in the street again by #mormon missionaries; turns out one who's from #utah had her dad work for #novell before #hovsepian | Aug 08 08:20 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Aug 08 08:20 |
| r_schestowitz | The message on the left is that women should be able to walk wherever, wearing whatever and men should control themselves. | Aug 08 08:20 |
| r_schestowitz | But Mormons are not on the left. This is a strongly paternalistic bunch. They’re responsible for their women. So you’re right, it’s no excuse. | Aug 08 08:20 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Aug 08 08:20 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines apple no longer believes it can restore ios | Aug 08 08:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | market share? http://t.co/Qnr3M5cpq0 | Aug 08 08:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mashable.com | Apple job posting suggests more apps for Android a possibility | Aug 08 08:51 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: FSF/GNU http://t.co/poCXvFVNKp | Aug 08 08:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: FSF/GNU | Tux Machines | Aug 08 08:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BlackBerry's new Passport Silver Edition | Aug 08 08:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | spotted running Android http://t.co/MfV7FSBfHl | Aug 08 08:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 08 08:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | BlackBerry's new Passport Silver Edition spotted running Android | Tux Machines | Aug 08 08:51 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/haniefhaider/status/629922516514009088 https://twitter.com/pranesh_prakash/status/629923215222009857 | Aug 08 08:57 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@haniefhaider: No wonder monied media is in for #DonaldTrump .He has really exposed how the rotten political system works laying Hillary bare.@schestowitz | Aug 08 08:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pranesh_prakash: Reducing our dependence on proprietary software helps both #MakeInIndia and #DigitalIndia https://t.co/YrphCo11yQ | Aug 08 08:57 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #UK gov working to end its reliance on #Oracle http://t.co/Ro2f0w384l http://t.co/IBs4QYp0mu #uk firms can deploy and support #postgres | Aug 08 08:57 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Raspberry Pi Geocache kit | Aug 08 09:05 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Keys to building an Open Source technology | Aug 08 09:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | practice in MEA http://t.co/JAyEG9oKZK | Aug 08 09:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.biztechafrica.com | Keys to building an Open Source technology practice in MEA | BiztechAfrica Mobile,Technology & IT News Africa | Aug 08 09:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Stellaris, An Ambitious Space Grand Strategy | Aug 08 09:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Game By Paradox, Announced & Coming To Linux | Aug 08 09:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Stellaris, An Ambitious Space Grand Strategy Game By Paradox, Announced & Coming To Linux | GamingOnLinux | Aug 08 09:06 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CentOS Linux 6.7 released | Aug 08 09:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lwn.net | CentOS Linux 6.7 released [LWN.net] | Aug 08 09:09 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Wine development release 1.7.49 is now | Aug 08 09:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | available https://t.co/CgBhESxNZx | Aug 08 09:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.winehq.org) | Aug 08 09:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.winehq.org | WineHQ - Wine Announcement - The Wine development release 1.7.49 is now available. | Aug 08 09:09 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Why Linux enthusiasts are arguing over Purism's | Aug 08 09:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | sleek, idealistic Librem laptops | Aug 08 09:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/c5XbwFdudx (www.pcworld.com) | Aug 08 09:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com | Why Linux enthusiasts are arguing over Purism's sleek, idealistic Librem laptops | PCWorld | Aug 08 09:09 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Chromebooks in school: How to pick the best | Aug 08 09:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | laptop for any student http://t.co/o4NMJvpexf | Aug 08 09:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.zdnet.com) | Aug 08 09:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | Chromebooks in school: How to pick the best laptop for any student | ZDNet | Aug 08 09:13 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Important Firefox 39.0.3 Security Update | Aug 08 09:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Arrives in Ubuntu http://t.co/ORjvCxoSqL | Aug 08 09:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linux.softpedia.com) | Aug 08 09:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Important Firefox 39.0.3 Security Update Arrives in Ubuntu - Softpedia | Aug 08 09:14 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines An Everyday Linux User Review Of Elementary OS | Aug 08 09:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Freya http://t.co/M4CFhCZTts | Aug 08 09:14 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.everydaylinuxuser.com | An Everyday Linux User Review Of Elementary OS Freya « Everyday Linux User | Aug 08 09:14 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/629927276801560576 | Aug 08 09:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: RT @schestowitz "If you work quickly, the cost of doing something new will seem lower in your mind." http://t.co/pDS8RdEnnw | Aug 08 09:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> jsomers.net | Speed matters: Why working quickly is more important than it seems « the jsomers.net blog | Aug 08 09:15 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Bq Ubuntu Phones Now Available for US Customers | Aug 08 09:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/0bStaemOlL (linux.softpedia.com) | Aug 08 09:18 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Bq Ubuntu Phones Now Available for US Customers - Softpedia | Aug 08 09:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS released | Aug 08 09:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/9tdp9VkW80 (lwn.net) | Aug 08 09:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lwn.net | Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS released [LWN.net] | Aug 08 09:18 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BlackBerry's new Passport Silver Edition | Aug 08 09:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | spotted running Android http://t.co/04PFqI3pdL | Aug 08 09:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phonearena.com) | Aug 08 09:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phonearena.com | BlackBerry's new Passport Silver Edition spotted running Android | Aug 08 09:18 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New GTK+ 3.18 Milestone Re-Implements | Aug 08 09:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Copy/Paste Across Multiple Screens | Aug 08 09:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/GqSXbkWghY (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 08 09:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | New GTK+ 3.18 Milestone Reimplements Copy/Paste Across Multiple Screens - Softpedia | Aug 08 09:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines ‘LG Wine Smart’ Flip Phone With Android 5.1.1 | Aug 08 09:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | On Board Will Make International Debut | Aug 08 09:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/sx6vjDJeLD (www.ibtimes.com) | Aug 08 09:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.com | ‘LG Wine Smart’ Flip Phone With Android 5.1.1 On Board Will Make International Debut | Aug 08 09:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BQ Aquaris E45 Ubuntu Edition review | Aug 08 09:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Tabf3Eyzjp (www.techradar.com) | Aug 08 09:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techradar.com | BQ Aquaris E45 Ubuntu Edition review: Verdict | TechRadar | Aug 08 09:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora 23 Alpha Approved for August 11, Final | Aug 08 09:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Version to Arrive on October 27 | Aug 08 09:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Fedora 23 Alpha Approved for August 11, Final Version to Arrive on October 27 - Softpedia | Aug 08 09:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Celebrate Ubuntu Touch's New Film Scope and Win | Aug 08 09:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | an Ubuntu Phone http://t.co/lYYYG0npOy | Aug 08 09:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Aug 08 09:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Celebrate Ubuntu Touch's New Film Scope and Win an Ubuntu Phone - Softpedia | Aug 08 09:39 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Lite 2.6 Beta Released | Aug 08 09:39 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @Cipherhouse retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Celebrate Ubuntu Touch's New Film Scope and Win...' | Aug 08 09:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Second Snappy Ubuntu Core 15.04 Stable Version | Aug 08 09:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Now Ready for Raspberry Pi 2 | Aug 08 09:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Second Snappy Ubuntu Core 15.04 Stable Version Now Ready for Raspberry Pi 2 - Softpedia | Aug 08 09:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Why Android 'Fragmentation' Is A Good Thing | Aug 08 09:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/s9Km0yunAA | Aug 08 09:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.informationweek.com) good article | Aug 08 09:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.informationweek.com | Why Android Fragmentation Is A Good Thing - InformationWeek | Aug 08 09:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 20 best new Android apps and games this week | Aug 08 11:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/He1n4zFCFx (www.theguardian.com) | Aug 08 11:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | 20 best new Android apps and games this week | Technology | The Guardian | Aug 08 11:23 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora 23 Alpha Approved for August 11, Final | Aug 08 11:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Version to Arrive on October 27 | Aug 08 11:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora 23 Alpha Approved for August 11, Final Version to Arrive on October 27 | Tux Machines | Aug 08 11:23 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Celebrate Ubuntu Touch's New Film Scope and Win | Aug 08 11:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | an Ubuntu Phone http://t.co/TNodvAmB4i | Aug 08 11:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 08 11:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Celebrate Ubuntu Touch's New Film Scope and Win an Ubuntu Phone | Tux Machines | Aug 08 11:53 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Lite 2.6 Beta Released | Aug 08 11:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Lite 2.6 Beta Released | Tux Machines | Aug 08 11:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Second Snappy Ubuntu Core 15.04 Stable Version | Aug 08 11:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Now Ready for Raspberry Pi 2 | Aug 08 11:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/FBiWmiU63z (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 08 11:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Second Snappy Ubuntu Core 15.04 Stable Version Now Ready for Raspberry Pi 2 | Tux Machines | Aug 08 11:54 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora 23 Alpha, Mint 17.2 KDE, and Tumbleweed | Aug 08 11:54 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/4roWgfAFJT (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 08 11:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora 23 Alpha, Mint 17.2 KDE, and Tumbleweed | Tux Machines | Aug 08 11:54 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AirWatch expands OS support for Tizen | Aug 08 12:20 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | TDC15 coming http://t.co/Tto3MSU0TM | Aug 08 12:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | AirWatch expands OS support for Tizen and Samsung KNOX in AirWatch 8.1 release - Tizen Experts | Aug 08 12:20 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Get 50% off the Tizen Developer Conference 2015 Shenzhen until Aug 14 #TDC15 - Tizen Experts | Aug 08 12:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Some better fedora sites being worked on | Aug 08 12:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-anuradhanotes.blogspot.co.uk | Anu notes: Progress with integration | Aug 08 12:20 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora 23 Alpha — release set for Tuesday | Aug 08 12:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org | F23 Alpha is Go, fun at Flock, Firefox, Rawhide, and more - Fedora Magazine | Aug 08 12:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE's Breeze Icons Get Expanded For Plasma 5.4 | Aug 08 12:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | KDE's Breeze Icons Get Expanded For Plasma 5.4 - Phoronix | Aug 08 12:20 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Holy Potatoes! A Weapon Shop?! Simulation Game | Aug 08 12:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Comes To Linux! https://t.co/aHzdvf5Xwa | Aug 08 12:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Holy Potatoes! A Weapon Shop?! Simulation Game Comes To Linux! | GamingOnLinux | Aug 08 12:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tangiers Is A Horror Themed Stealth Game Coming | Aug 08 12:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | To Linux, I'm Going To Make Samsai Stream It | Aug 08 12:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Tangiers Is A Horror Themed Stealth Game Coming To Linux, I'm Going To Make Samsai Stream It | GamingOnLinux | Aug 08 12:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @ozgunsarapcilik The Özgün Şarapları Daily is out! | Aug 08 12:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/g0oPOx141G (paper.li) Stories via | Aug 08 12:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @Virginia_Made @NES_SAAR @tuxmachines | Aug 08 12:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li | The Özgün Şarapları Daily | Aug 08 12:56 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BlackBerry Launches Android Secured Website for | Aug 08 13:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Enterprise Users http://t.co/wxwGslUk9q | Aug 08 13:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gadgets.ndtv.com | BlackBerry Launches Android Secured Website for Enterprise Users | NDTV Gadgets | Aug 08 13:11 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Why do I still use Android? | Aug 08 13:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com | iPhone Vs Android: iOS 9 eliminates the need to use Android | BGR | Aug 08 13:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Links 8/8/2015: Linux Mint 17.2, CentOS Linux | Aug 08 13:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 6.7 http://t.co/lIfmujr5kq (techrights.org) | Aug 08 13:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 8/8/2015: Linux Mint 17.2, CentOS Linux 6.7 | Techrights | Aug 08 13:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Devices http://t.co/zIr0uHrJUm | Aug 08 13:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Devices | Tux Machines | Aug 08 13:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Debian http://t.co/YWSu6O8LtN | Aug 08 13:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Debian | Tux Machines | Aug 08 13:11 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat and Fedora http://t.co/BNGVGWmgIS | Aug 08 13:11 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat and Fedora | Tux Machines | Aug 08 13:11 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/GzCxyOoEso | Aug 08 15:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Aug 08 15:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/bGIH92e203 | Aug 08 15:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Aug 08 15:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Detailed Smart Card Cryptographic Token | Aug 08 15:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Security Guide http://t.co/F2Z1h63OfR | Aug 08 15:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (changelog.complete.org) | Aug 08 15:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-changelog.complete.org | Detailed Smart Card Cryptographic Token Security Guide | The Changelog | Aug 08 15:27 | |
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| cubexyz | this seems apt what with windows 10 being all the rage: | Aug 08 18:32 |
| cubexyz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult_programming | Aug 08 18:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Cargo cult programming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/ne065 ] | Aug 08 18:32 | |
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| r_schestowitz | vista 10 is failing | Aug 08 18:54 |
| r_schestowitz | 12 CLAIMED downloads in 24 hours (first ones) | Aug 08 18:54 |
| r_schestowitz | claimed by Microsoft | Aug 08 18:55 |
| r_schestowitz | so let's assume 6 the next day, maybe 3..and so on | Aug 08 18:55 |
| r_schestowitz | One site I saw with web stats said 3% overall | Aug 08 18:55 |
| r_schestowitz | after a week | Aug 08 18:55 |
| r_schestowitz | i.e. around 30 mil | Aug 08 18:55 |
| r_schestowitz | that's pretty bad | Aug 08 18:55 |
| r_schestowitz | they claimed it was 'free' | Aug 08 18:55 |
| r_schestowitz | yet so few people touch it | Aug 08 18:55 |
| r_schestowitz | maybe it's at less than 50mil now, maybe 40 | Aug 08 18:56 |
| r_schestowitz | and a month from now still less than 100 | Aug 08 18:56 |
| r_schestowitz | Android has like 1000m | Aug 08 18:56 |
| r_schestowitz | or far more | Aug 08 18:56 |
| r_schestowitz | 2000 in the futuree | Aug 08 18:56 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines BQ’s Ubuntu smartphones now available globally | Aug 08 19:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | BQ’s Ubuntu smartphones now available globally | Tux Machines | Aug 08 19:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Zorin OS 10 Lite and Business Editions Now | Aug 08 19:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Available for Download - Screenshot Tour | Aug 08 19:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/kb3alSebEd (www.tuxmachines.org) | Aug 08 19:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Zorin OS 10 Lite and Business Editions Now Available for Download - Screenshot Tour | Tux Machines | Aug 08 19:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE Applications 15.08 RC for openSUSE | Aug 08 19:06 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE Applications 15.08 RC for openSUSE | Tux Machines | Aug 08 19:06 | |
| -NickServ-schestowitz!~roy@host86-134-167-234.range86-134.btcentralplus.com has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) | Aug 08 19:09 | |
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| Sosumi | vista 10? | Aug 08 19:29 |
| Sosumi | m$ is still around? | Aug 08 19:29 |
| Sosumi | I thought they had declared chapter 11 long time ago | Aug 08 19:29 |
| Sosumi | I kid, I kid... | Aug 08 19:30 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/censorednewsnow/status/629925820463730688?cn=cmV0d2VldF9tZW50aW9uZWRfdXNlcg%3D%3D&refsrc=email | Aug 08 21:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@censorednewsnow: Cease doing business with any business that uses #Windows 10 @schestowitz all their file contents emails etc, all go to #microspy @jmcest | Aug 08 21:08 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/censorednewsnow/status/629925955478421504?cn=cmV0d2VldF9tZW50aW9uZWRfdXNlcg%3D%3D&refsrc=email | Aug 08 21:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@censorednewsnow: Any lawfirm or professional under a legal obligation to keep professional records privileged @schestowitz must surely be in breach @jmcest | Aug 08 21:09 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6440190 | Aug 08 21:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: apple no longer believes it can restore ios market share? http://mashable.com/2015/08/05/apple-android-app-job/ | Aug 08 21:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> mashable.com | Apple job posting suggests more apps for Android a possibility [ http://ur1.ca/ne1dc ] | Aug 08 21:12 | |
| schestowitz | "#oligarchy" | Aug 08 21:12 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/i/redirect?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fcensorednewsnow%2Fstatus%2F629926079524941824%3Fcn%3DcmVwbHk%253D%26refsrc%3Demail&t=1&cn=cmVwbHk%3D&sig=f340b29c217494d310d01d53b59f0a01360ce4f6&iid=2312de63f28245fd8fb91ccae7aed414&uid=26603208&nid=27+1267 | Aug 08 21:14 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/censorednewsnow/status/629926079524941824?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email | Aug 08 21:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@censorednewsnow: of professional rules etc @schestowitz @jmcest if they 'upgrade' | Aug 08 21:14 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/censorednewsnow/status/629926151968935936 | Aug 08 21:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@censorednewsnow: http://t.co/JBRryNhc3S ROCKS @schestowitz ;) @jmcest | Aug 08 21:15 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.debian.org | Debian -- The Universal Operating System | Aug 08 21:15 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/katahiromz/status/630011714352734208?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email | Aug 08 21:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@katahiromz: @schestowitz useful is better than nothing. | Aug 08 21:16 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Lite 2.6 Enters Beta with LibreOffice 5.0 | Aug 08 22:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | and New Control Center, Based on Ubuntu 14.04.3 | Aug 08 22:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | LTS http://t.co/grT5q1PfMl | Aug 08 22:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Lite 2.6 Enters Beta with LibreOffice 5.0 and New Control Center, Based on Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS | Tux Machines | Aug 08 22:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Ubuntu http://t.co/zq3eLpPxgV | Aug 08 22:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Ubuntu | Tux Machines | Aug 08 22:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: KDE and Mint http://t.co/SNscRqahK1 | Aug 08 22:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: KDE and Mint | Tux Machines | Aug 08 22:52 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android Leftovers http://t.co/EOzhq7moVW | Aug 08 22:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux Machines | Aug 08 22:52 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Mozilla We Want http://t.co/HIUIKid9IH | Aug 08 22:52 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Mozilla We Want | Tux Machines | Aug 08 22:52 | |
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