IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: August 23rd, 2015-August 29th, 2015

cubexyz	puppy linux isn't that strange	Aug 23 00:12
MinceR	badly named, though	Aug 23 00:13
cubexyz	ok, suicide linux is strange, I'll give them that one	Aug 23 00:13
cubexyz	did you know windows 10 'phones home' every 2 weeks?	Aug 23 00:17
cubexyz	initially it phoned home every day	Aug 23 00:17
MinceR	such restraint	Aug 23 00:23
MinceR	m$ must be really proud	Aug 23 00:23
cubexyz	chromebooks are getting big in schools and other places	Aug 23 00:38
cubexyz	and there's crouton now	Aug 23 00:43
cubexyz	allows one to run chromeos and linux both easily	Aug 23 00:43
cubexyz	and saying that chromebooks don't have the computational power to run stuff like photoshop, that's sly but come on...	Aug 23 00:46
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cubexyz	the Acer C720 has an Intel i3 4005U CPU	Aug 23 00:46
cubexyz	Acer C910 and a i5 cpu :)	Aug 23 00:49
cubexyz	s/and/has/	Aug 23 00:49
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cubexyz	ok, probably costs a bit more but I think that has enough cpu for anything	Aug 23 00:50
MinceR	then there's the pixel	Aug 23 00:50
MinceR	then again, photoshop is a broken, bloated piece of shit	Aug 23 00:50
MinceR	new chromebook pixel:	Aug 23 00:51
MinceR	Intel® Core™ i5 processor, 2.2GHz, 8GB memory or	Aug 23 00:51
MinceR	Intel® Core™ i7 processor, 2.4GHz, 16GB memory	Aug 23 00:51
cubexyz	if I can get by watching movies on a P3 866 mhz with 720x304 resolution... a chromebook probably would be a lot faster	Aug 23 00:52
cubexyz	holy, i7 even	Aug 23 00:53
cubexyz	the pixel is rather expensive though	Aug 23 01:00
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msb__	RT: 8/26 8/27 The Hacker Wars -- whistleblowers via Internet	Aug 23 05:44
oiaohm	This is a interesting device http://linuxgizmos.com/jolla-tablet-open-for-pre-sale-at-300/	Aug 23 05:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Jolla Tablet open for pre-sale at $300 · LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/nitxm ]		Aug 23 05:48
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6498550	Aug 23 05:58
schestowitz	"I hate marketing. IoT, Cloud, Smartphone, SaaS. All nonsense words. We should just say: networked shit, other people’s computers, hand computers that make phone calls and computing someone else does for you, respectfully."	Aug 23 05:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Cisco, Red Hat create platform for IoT innovation http://siliconangle.com/blog/2015/08/21/cisco-red-hat-create-platform-for-iot-innovation-openstack/ #redhat #cisco #linux		Aug 23 05:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> siliconangle.com \| Cisco, Red Hat create platform for IoT innovation \| #OpenStack \| SiliconANGLE [ http://ur1.ca/niu11 ]		Aug 23 05:58
oiaohm	Interestting http://guix-devel.gnu.narkive.com/zALlUNOz/elogind-wip	Aug 23 06:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-guix-devel.gnu.narkive.com \| elogind WIP [ http://ur1.ca/niuab ]		Aug 23 06:22
oiaohm	GNU is going forwards with the DMD idea.	Aug 23 06:23
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oiaohm	http://www.rt.com/politics/313032-senior-russian-lawmaker-seeks-ban/ Interesting	Aug 23 13:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com \| Senior Russian lawmaker seeks ban on Windows 10 in state agencies — RT Russian politics [ http://ur1.ca/niy71 ]		Aug 23 13:14
MinceR	as long as "going forward" means "capitulating"	Aug 23 13:50
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TweetTuxMachines	@RamiSilawi RT @tuxmachines: Why do you use Linux? \| My Two	Aug 23 17:04
TweetTuxMachines	Bytes http://t.co/cIDXKuA4b3 (mytwobytes.net)	Aug 23 17:04
TweetTuxMachines	via @twttimes	Aug 23 17:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mytwobytes.net \| Why do you use Linux? \| My Two Bytes		Aug 23 17:04
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*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012		Aug 23 20:39
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Huawei Honor 7i Specs, Release Date: Android	Aug 23 21:04
TweetTuxMachines	Smartphone With Rotating Camera, Side	Aug 23 21:04
TweetTuxMachines	Fingerprint Sensor Launched...	Aug 23 21:04
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/aIAs5cXXN4 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 23 21:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Huawei Honor 7i Specs, Release Date: Android Smartphone With Rotating Camera, Side Fingerprint Sensor Launched In China \| Tux Machines		Aug 23 21:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Rumor: Android Pay To Arrive August 26th	Aug 23 21:30
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/bO4Wdh7DW4 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 23 21:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Rumor: Android Pay To Arrive August 26th \| Tux Machines		Aug 23 21:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 16.04 Stupendously Hot Concept Is About	Aug 23 21:31
TweetTuxMachines	to Become Real http://t.co/MOGZVSh5u3	Aug 23 21:31
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 23 21:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu 16.04 Stupendously Hot Concept Is About to Become Real \| Tux Machines		Aug 23 21:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Deprecated Wubi Tool "Mysteriously" Survives on	Aug 23 21:31
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu Images Until Today	Aug 23 21:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/UjPvTba797 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 23 21:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Deprecated Wubi Tool "Mysteriously" Survives on Ubuntu Images Until Today \| Tux Machines		Aug 23 21:31
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6500183	Aug 23 21:55
schestowitz	"	Aug 23 21:55
schestowitz	ignore existance of gangs and oligarchy in russia and assume governments do drive-by shootings.	Aug 23 21:55
schestowitz	or as some one put it - pretend nobody exists in russia except putin/stalin	Aug 23 21:55
schestowitz	childish thoughts.	Aug 23 21:55
schestowitz	people say banks and corps run everyting, but believe elsewhere it’s just a single man.	Aug 23 21:55
schestowitz	remember shooting of irish journalist in car because investigating irish organised crime?	Aug 23 21:55
schestowitz	Don’t look - won’t find. nobody’s looking.	Aug 23 21:55
schestowitz	"	Aug 23 21:55
schestowitz	"remember an investigative journalist doing exposé on Mafia in USA? Me neither…"	Aug 23 21:55
schestowitz	"	Aug 23 21:55
schestowitz	I was on C-Span (phone) during Russian coup - asked senator Hart about russian mafia - he shrugged them off as unimportant…	Aug 23 21:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post?		Aug 23 21:55
schestowitz	Mafia started under Brezhnev probably - now “respectable”, like USA (where did all that money go?)	Aug 23 21:55
schestowitz	"	Aug 23 21:55
schestowitz	Hastings was working on an article about ringleader Brennan when he died	Aug 23 21:56
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6500468	Aug 23 21:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #politico calls a triple agent "double agent" http://www.politico.eu/article/charge-for-suspected-german-double-agent-security-intelligence-service/ maybe didn't study this properly...		Aug 23 21:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.politico.eu \| Treason charge for suspected German double agent – POLITICO [ http://ur1.ca/nj4d2 ]		Aug 23 21:58
schestowitz	Maybe German intel' agencies knew for a while but only took action when they did for political reasons because of the Snowden-inspired articles at the time	Aug 23 21:58
schestowitz	"Maybe the agent did not know that spying for the US is OK but for Russia is treason."	Aug 23 21:59
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6500217	Aug 23 21:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Ray McGovern on BradCast http://bradblog.com/?p=11319		Aug 23 21:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> bradblog.com \| 'No Good Evidence' Russia Behind Shootdown of Malaysia Air Flight 17 in Ukraine, Says Longtime CIA Analyst Ray McGovern: 'BradCast' 8/20/2015 \| The BRAD BLOG		Aug 23 21:59
schestowitz	"good point about “russian backed ukrainian separatists” as well."	Aug 23 21:59
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schestowitz	"US backed Afghan separatists”... "US backed Syrian separatists”	Aug 23 21:59
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6500830x	Aug 23 22:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #nytimes helps narrative of "China" as very rogue http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/us-warns-china-about-its-secret-hunt-for-fugitives/ http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/17/us/politics/obama-administration-warns-beijing-about-agents-operating-in-us.html http://warontherocks.com/2015/08/a-guide-to-chinese-intelligence-operations/		Aug 23 22:02
schestowitz	"Some countries do not understand that to carry on renditions and torture abroad they have to be exceptional."	Aug 23 22:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.seattletimes.com \| U.S. warns China about its secret hunt for fugitives \| The Seattle Times [ http://ur1.ca/nj4ek ]		Aug 23 22:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> warontherocks.com \| A Guide to Chinese Intelligence Operations - War on the Rocks [ http://ur1.ca/nj4el ]		Aug 23 22:02
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6501556	Aug 23 22:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Military #uk air show ends up in more than a 'show' (well, unless you like explosions) http://www.cbs58.com/story/29857384/at-least-7-dead-after-old-military-jet-crashes-at-air-show-in-england good-for-nothing shows		Aug 23 22:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.cbs58.com \| CBS 58 - At least 7 dead after old military jet crashes at air show in En [ http://ur1.ca/nj4fz ]		Aug 23 22:06
schestowitz	"	Aug 23 22:06
schestowitz	Switzerland:	Aug 23 22:06
schestowitz	http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/23/two-planes-crash-at-swiss-airshow-basel	Aug 23 22:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| Two planes crash at Swiss airshow \| World news \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/nj4g0 ]		Aug 23 22:06
schestowitz	"	Aug 23 22:06
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schestowitz	Too many accidents this past week, mostly because of showoffs	Aug 23 22:13
schestowitz	http://www.praguepost.com/the-big-story/49381-seven-people-die-in-mid-air-plane-collision http://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/2-planes-crash-at-swiss-air-show-1-pilot-killed http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/595425/Spitfire-plane-crash-Biggin-Hill-Kent http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/shoreham-airshow-crash-seven-dead-after-jet-hits-cars/story-e6frg6so-1227494961021 http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/16/us/skydiver-death/	Aug 23 22:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.straitstimes.com \| 2 planes crash at Swiss air show; 1 pilot killed, Europe News & Top Stories - The Straits Times [ http://ur1.ca/nj4ib ]		Aug 23 22:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.express.co.uk \| Spitfire crashes in Kent making it third plane crash in two days \| UK \| News \| Daily Express [ http://ur1.ca/nj4id ]		Aug 23 22:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theaustralian.com.au \| Cookies must be enabled. \| The Australian [ http://ur1.ca/h4kpl ]		Aug 23 22:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edition.cnn.com \| Army skydiver dies after airshow accident - CNN.com [ http://ur1.ca/nj4ie ]		Aug 23 22:14
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/NewsCoverUp/status/635560139651739648	Aug 23 22:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NewsCoverUp: @schestowitz Two exceptional countries have drifted away from mankind They will soon be cut off from planet Earth		Aug 23 22:31
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/i/redirect?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fmarialuis91%2Fstatus%2F635426810918928384%3Fcn%3DcmVwbHk%253D%26refsrc%3Demail&t=1&cn=cmVwbHk%3D&sig=0f865c65e200d2d5e148c199c69d978dcc9bb364&iid=7f23f53296c74855a080efed65a72259&uid=26603208&nid=27+1267	Aug 23 22:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-twitter.com \| https://twitter.com/marialuis91/status/635426810918928384?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email [ http://ur1.ca/nj4rr ]		Aug 23 22:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 23/8/2015: BcacheFS Benchmarks,	Aug 23 22:48
TweetTuxMachines	Blackphone 2 http://t.co/sxWrRTzFWR	Aug 23 22:48
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Aug 23 22:48
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 23/8/2015: BcacheFS Benchmarks, Blackphone 2 http://t.co/sxWrRTzFWR'		Aug 23 22:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 23/8/2015: BcacheFS Benchmarks, Blackphone 2 \| Techrights		Aug 23 22:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/41JETrcD6Q	Aug 23 22:48
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 23 22:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Aug 23 22:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/CDnphcuaBK	Aug 23 22:48
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 23 22:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's leftovers \| Tux Machines		Aug 23 22:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The New Ubuntu-Supported Video Driver PPA Is	Aug 23 22:48
TweetTuxMachines	Well Received by Community	Aug 23 22:48
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/bhg0eF44o3 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 23 22:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The New Ubuntu-Supported Video Driver PPA Is Well Received by Community \| Tux Machines		Aug 23 22:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch to Get a LibreOffice Doc Viewer	Aug 23 22:48
TweetTuxMachines	Soon http://t.co/3zcQ0nc04G	Aug 23 22:48
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 23 22:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Touch to Get a LibreOffice Doc Viewer Soon \| Tux Machines		Aug 23 22:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Smart lock: Should you be using it?	Aug 23 22:53
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/7xQgEtJiiC (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 23 22:54
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android Smart lock: Should you be using it? \| Tux Machines		Aug 23 22:54
*TweetTuxMachines @linuxusergroup favourited 'Links 23/8/2015: BcacheFS Benchmarks, Blackphone 2 http://t.co/sxWrRTzFWR'		Aug 23 22:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel Core i5 6600K Skylake Linux CPU	Aug 23 23:06
TweetTuxMachines	Benchmarks http://t.co/3I4TTaCT7Q	Aug 23 23:06
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Aug 23 23:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Intel Core i5 6600K Skylake Linux CPU Benchmarks Review - Phoronix		Aug 23 23:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Deprecated Wubi Tool "Mysteriously" Survives on	Aug 23 23:06
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu Images Until Today	Aug 23 23:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Sz4ffHDTKh (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 23 23:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Deprecated Wubi Tool "Mysteriously" Survives on Ubuntu Images Until Today - Softpedia		Aug 23 23:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 16.04 Stupendously Hot Concept Is About	Aug 23 23:06
TweetTuxMachines	to Become Real http://t.co/Ht4PX4DByh	Aug 23 23:06
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Aug 23 23:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu 16.04 Stupendously Hot Concept Is About to Become Real - Softpedia		Aug 23 23:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Rumor: Android Pay To Arrive August 26th	Aug 23 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/e3XPZsST30	Aug 23 23:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidheadlines.com \| Rumor: Android Pay To Arrive August 26th \| Androidheadlines.com		Aug 23 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	(www.androidheadlines.com)	Aug 23 23:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Huawei Honor 7i Specs, Release Date: Android	Aug 23 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	Smartphone With Rotating Camera, Side	Aug 23 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	Fingerprint Sensor Launched	Aug 23 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/IFLtb96Ag6 (www.christianpost.com)	Aug 23 23:08
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.christianpost.com \| Huawei Honor 7i Specs, Release Date: Android Smartphone With Rotating Camera, Side Fingerprint Sensor Launched In China		Aug 23 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The New Ubuntu-Supported Video Driver PPA Is	Aug 23 23:09
TweetTuxMachines	Well Received by Community	Aug 23 23:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/UJB2XMuOhE (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 23 23:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| The New Ubuntu-Supported Video Driver PPA Is Well Received by Community - Softpedia		Aug 23 23:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch to Get a LibreOffice Doc Viewer	Aug 23 23:10
TweetTuxMachines	Soon http://t.co/aKNNVTcNaH	Aug 23 23:10
TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	Aug 23 23:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Touch to Get a LibreOffice Doc Viewer Soon - Softpedia		Aug 23 23:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Smart lock: Should you be using it?	Aug 23 23:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/C9BqYuWqCZ (www.techrepublic.com)	Aug 23 23:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techrepublic.com \| Android Smart lock: Should you be using it? - TechRepublic		Aug 23 23:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Machines Produce Easy to Guess Random	Aug 23 23:49
TweetTuxMachines	Numbers http://t.co/z0Jrfj9tOy	Aug 23 23:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Linux Machines Produce Easy to Guess Random Numbers - Softpedia		Aug 23 23:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Shadowrun: Hong Kong Arrives for Linux Players	Aug 23 23:49
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/BXE5xmipFz (linux.softpedia.com)	Aug 23 23:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Shadowrun: Hong Kong Arrives for Linux Players - Softpedia		Aug 23 23:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Machines Produce Easy to Guess Random	Aug 23 23:49
TweetTuxMachines	Numbers http://t.co/U0wYoi6zoV	Aug 23 23:49
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 23 23:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nj5hm	Aug 23 23:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Core Receives Support For GPIO and I2C	Aug 24 00:06
TweetTuxMachines	on the Raspberry Pi 2 - Video	Aug 24 00:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/60JBh7FvCX (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 24 00:06
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/eQ2m7oMGYW (rainveiltech.com)	Aug 24 00:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Core Receives Support For GPIO and I2C on the Raspberry Pi 2 - Video - Softpedia		Aug 24 00:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nj5ne	Aug 24 00:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://rainveiltech.com/posts/snappy-scope-progress-update )		Aug 24 00:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Top Features Of The Linux 4.2 Kernel	Aug 24 00:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/yCUsWxZDq0 (www.phoronix.com)	Aug 24 00:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nj5nh	Aug 24 00:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| The Top Features Of The Linux 4.2 Kernel - Phoronix		Aug 24 00:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel Continues To Divest In Wayland	Aug 24 00:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/oWfXgRKV46 (www.phoronix.com)	Aug 24 00:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nj5ni	Aug 24 00:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Intel Continues To Divest In Wayland - Phoronix		Aug 24 00:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Fedora is one of my favourite systems, because	Aug 24 00:16
TweetTuxMachines	provides to me the best tools ever"	Aug 24 00:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kKx1apCcdb	Aug 24 00:16
TweetTuxMachines	(wordpress-zoltanh721.rhcloud.com)	Aug 24 00:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wordpress-zoltanh721.rhcloud.com \| Collaboration Express – the train is coming… \| Zoltan Hoppar		Aug 24 00:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nj5ql	Aug 24 00:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GitHub Code http://t.co/INSyMhlM2W	Aug 24 00:16
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 24 00:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nj5qo	Aug 24 00:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GitHub Code \| Tux Machines		Aug 24 00:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Core Receives Support For GPIO and I2C	Aug 24 00:16
TweetTuxMachines	on the Raspberry Pi 2 - Video	Aug 24 00:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/bpUhHwWtYf (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 24 00:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nj5qq	Aug 24 00:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Core Receives Support For GPIO and I2C on the Raspberry Pi 2 - Video \| Tux Machines		Aug 24 00:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Top Features Of The Linux 4.2 Kernel	Aug 24 03:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/2Nlyu3dwNN (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 24 03:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nj7ua	Aug 24 03:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Top Features Of The Linux 4.2 Kernel \| Tux Machines		Aug 24 03:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenSSH 7.1 Fixes Root Access Authentication	Aug 24 03:35
TweetTuxMachines	Issue, Adds Better Support for WinSCP	Aug 24 03:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/bLzRn3v6Xh (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 24 03:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nj7uc	Aug 24 03:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| OpenSSH 7.1 Fixes Root Access Authentication Issue, Adds Better Support for WinSCP \| Tux Machines		Aug 24 03:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation to Launch New Security-Focused	Aug 24 03:36
TweetTuxMachines	Badge Program for Open-Source Software	Aug 24 03:36
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/MzmhFzx9h9 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 24 03:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nj7ud	Aug 24 03:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Foundation to Launch New Security-Focused Badge Program for Open-Source Software \| Tux Machines		Aug 24 03:36
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DaemonFC	We found another home for one of our kittens. Three down, two to go.	Aug 24 04:28
DaemonFC	We found the mother cat when she was already pregnant.	Aug 24 04:28
DaemonFC	Someone abandoned her in the hallway of John's apartment building. Who would do such a thing?	Aug 24 04:28
DaemonFC	I've been busy herding cats for the last couple of months.	Aug 24 04:29
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Aug 24 04:53
DaemonFC	Just now ·	Aug 24 04:53
DaemonFC	"He said that he repeatedly asked Siri to call 911. Five tries later, he was on the phone with a 911 dispatcher."	Aug 24 04:53
DaemonFC	Does anyone want to guess what Siri did the first four times, instead of calling 911?	Aug 24 04:53
DaemonFC	smile emoticon	Aug 24 04:53
DaemonFC	20% accuracy. I guess Apple is getting better.	Aug 24 04:53
DaemonFC	http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/08/22/siri-credited-saving-teen-trapped-under-truck-tennessee	Aug 24 04:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-insider.foxnews.com \| Here's How Siri Saved a Teen Trapped Under His Truck \| Fox News Insider [ http://ur1.ca/nj8lr ]		Aug 24 04:54
DaemonFC	Every skype update tries to jack your homepage and search engine and install browser plug-ins.	Aug 24 06:08
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6501435	Aug 24 06:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Proposition of armed drones along US/Mexico border, courtesy of #gop http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/23/carson-wants-to-use-drones-on-the-border-to-take-out-caves-not-people-video/ wouldn't be long before people hit		Aug 24 06:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> dailycaller.com \| Carson Wants To Use Drone On the Border To Take Out Caves, Not People \| The Daily Caller [ http://ur1.ca/nj9m5 ]		Aug 24 06:37
msb__	It's time we realized that the term "exceptionalism" is a verbal coverup for United States imperialism, tyranny, military adventurism, funding and arming of psychopath Islamic jihadists, destruction of entire nations, and the mass-murder of millions of people for profit and power.	Aug 24 06:37
schestowitz	"I have heard that the golden dream of many Mexicans is Mexico going the way of Texas and California so maybe they might not mind."	Aug 24 06:38
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6502228	Aug 24 06:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Ubuntu 16.04 Stupendously Hot Concept Is About to Become Real http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-04-stupendously-hot-charmander-concept-is-about-to-become-real-489835.shtml #gnu #linux		Aug 24 06:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu 16.04 Stupendously Hot Concept Is About to Become Real - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/nj9mf ]		Aug 24 06:38
schestowitz	"The shirt of the avatar pls"	Aug 24 06:38
msb__	On a microscopically smaller scale, whatever "stupendously hot charmander concept" is -- apparently an app menu arrangement -- is very stupidly hyped advertising -- for something that's free. Perhaps this started when morons ruined the word "awesome" by applying it to some company's flavored potato chips and the like. The word "awe" has a meaning. Or at least it used to.	Aug 24 06:51
msb__	Most of our thinking is done using concepts -- words that represent ideas. And when these symbolic words are systematically misused and destroyed -- usually for someone's commercial profit -- then people's ability to _think_ is also destroyed.	Aug 24 06:55
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DaemonFC	msb__, Don't worry. It looks like there's one hell of a recession coming.	Aug 24 09:07
DaemonFC	More carnage to watch on the news.	Aug 24 09:07
msb__	That will harm and kill poor people.	Aug 24 09:09
DaemonFC	Yeah. The dollar will become too strong.	Aug 24 09:09
DaemonFC	It's been getting there for a while now.	Aug 24 09:09
msb__	Our economic system, run for the benefit only of ultra-wealthy psychopaths, is very dangerous to our entire species.	Aug 24 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines #fedora #gnu #linux in #india	Aug 24 09:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/O8Lk98auD4	Aug 24 09:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sayanchowdhury.dgplug.org \| Fedora 22 Release Party, Bangalore \| Intellectual Web		Aug 24 09:14
TweetTuxMachines	(sayanchowdhury.dgplug.org)	Aug 24 09:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njb1s	Aug 24 09:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leaving debian after 10 years	Aug 24 09:30
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/RuO0VxHmdH (damog.net)	Aug 24 09:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-damog.net \| Thanks Debian \| dm's blog		Aug 24 09:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njb8e	Aug 24 09:30
*TweetTuxMachines @exocuted favourited '#fedora #gnu #linux in #india http://t.co/O8Lk98auD4'		Aug 24 09:30
DaemonFC	http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/john-mcafee-mcafee-antivirus-one-worst-products-planet-1516462	Aug 24 09:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.co.uk \| John McAfee: McAfee antivirus is one of the worst products on the planet [ http://ur1.ca/njbau ]		Aug 24 09:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Debian/TeX Live complete update	Aug 24 10:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/QjyNngwPAa (www.preining.info)	Aug 24 10:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njbxo	Aug 24 10:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.preining.info \| Debian/TeX Live complete update \| There and back again		Aug 24 10:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New leaks provide more details surrounding	Aug 24 10:32
TweetTuxMachines	BlackBerry’s first Android device	Aug 24 10:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Jq4GLGYlu4 (bgr.com)	Aug 24 10:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njbxp	Aug 24 10:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com \| BlackBerry Android: More details surrounding Venice slider emerge \| BGR		Aug 24 10:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BlackBerry Venice Will Reportedly Use	Aug 24 10:49
TweetTuxMachines	BlackBerry 10 As Android Skin	Aug 24 10:49
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/iEBN2I6Ru1 (www.ibtimes.com)	Aug 24 10:49
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/xyZsG2PT4P (www.ibtimes.com)	Aug 24 10:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.com \| BlackBerry Venice Will Reportedly Use BlackBerry 10 As Android Skin		Aug 24 10:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njc4k	Aug 24 10:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.com \| BlackBerry Passport Successor Rumored To Run Android		Aug 24 10:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android 6.0 Marshmallow: The Best Features it	Aug 24 10:49
TweetTuxMachines	Offers http://t.co/HA3GqDpHBG	Aug 24 10:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cheatsheet.com \| Android 6.0 Marshmallow: The Best Features it Offers		Aug 24 10:49
TweetTuxMachines	(www.cheatsheet.com)	Aug 24 10:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njc4l	Aug 24 10:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why I gave up on the Linux Desktop repeatedly,	Aug 24 10:49
TweetTuxMachines	and why I migrated back to it	Aug 24 10:49
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/aSrGralzMu	Aug 24 10:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mikedep333.blogspot.co.uk \| Linux, Remote Desktop, OS Interop: Why I gave up on the Linux Desktop repeatedly, and why I migrated back to it		Aug 24 10:49
TweetTuxMachines	(mikedep333.blogspot.co.uk)	Aug 24 10:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njc4m	Aug 24 10:49
*TweetTuxMachines @subutux favourited 'Why I gave up on the Linux Desktop...'		Aug 24 11:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.2-rc8: .. one more last -rc after all	Aug 24 11:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/fuN1OiHqHK (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 24 11:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njca6	Aug 24 11:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux 4.2-rc8: .. one more last -rc after all \| Tux Machines		Aug 24 11:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Cinnamon 2.8 to Add Device Vendor and Model	Aug 24 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	Information, Better Box Pointers	Aug 24 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/mLWOs0Ecyv (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 24 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njcba	Aug 24 11:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Cinnamon 2.8 to Add Device Vendor and Model Information, Better Box Pointers \| Tux Machines		Aug 24 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Logic Supply Announces Fanless, Intel	Aug 24 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	Atom-Based Internet of Things Gateway	Aug 24 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/nnmQms2Yp2 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 24 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njcbc	Aug 24 11:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Logic Supply Announces Fanless, Intel Atom-Based Internet of Things Gateway \| Tux Machines		Aug 24 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kdenlive Easy To Use Video Editor For Linux:	Aug 24 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	Review [Install In Ubuntu, Fedora & Other	Aug 24 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	Distros] http://t.co/9T05j1oste	Aug 24 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 24 11:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Kdenlive Easy To Use Video Editor For Linux: Review [Install In Ubuntu, Fedora & Other Distros] \| Tux Machines		Aug 24 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njcbe	Aug 24 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Themes of the day [http://t.co/XojV1RKhjD]	Aug 24 11:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxandubuntu.com \| LinuxAndUbuntu - LinuxUbuntu Apps Reviews \| Tutorials \| HowTos \| News		Aug 24 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linuxandubuntu.com) http://t.co/oguy6BjXCG	Aug 24 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 24 11:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Themes of the day [linuxandubuntu.com] \| Tux Machines		Aug 24 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njcbf	Aug 24 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LG's latest 10-inch Android tablet comes with a	Aug 24 11:10
TweetTuxMachines	sharper screen http://t.co/S9herzF1P2	Aug 24 11:10
TweetTuxMachines	(www.engadget.com)	Aug 24 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com \| LG's latest 10-inch Android tablet comes with a sharper screen		Aug 24 11:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njccv	Aug 24 11:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.2-rc8: .. one more last -rc after all	Aug 24 11:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/6bEiRDcAQp (lwn.net)	Aug 24 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lwn.net \| .. one more last -rc after all [LWN.net]		Aug 24 11:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njccw	Aug 24 11:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Micromax Is Planning To Release An	Aug 24 11:11
TweetTuxMachines	Android-Based OS http://t.co/l0nf5VNtR8	Aug 24 11:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidheadlines.com \| Micromax Is Planning To Release An Android-Based OS \| Androidheadlines.com		Aug 24 11:11
TweetTuxMachines	(www.androidheadlines.com)	Aug 24 11:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njccx	Aug 24 11:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Enlightenment 0.19.9 Open-Source Desktop	Aug 24 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	Environment Is Out with 28 Bugfixes	Aug 24 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/bZM2SkzSvu (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 24 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njcez	Aug 24 11:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Enlightenment 0.19.9 Open-Source Desktop Environment Is Out with 28 Bugfixes - Softpedia		Aug 24 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mesa 10.6.5 Brings Nouveau and Radeon Fixes,	Aug 24 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	Mesa 11 Release Candidate Arrives	Aug 24 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Mb77ok18PU (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 24 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/20aFi8YKzh (www.phoronix.com)	Aug 24 11:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Mesa 10.6.5 Brings Nouveau and Radeon Fixes, Mesa 11 Release Candidate Arrives - Softpedia		Aug 24 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njcf1	Aug 24 11:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Mesa's Loop Analysis & Range Propagation Passes - Phoronix		Aug 24 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Cinnamon 2.8 to Add Device Vendor and Model	Aug 24 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	Information, Better Box Pointers	Aug 24 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/cmoynXjUZ6 (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 24 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njcf2	Aug 24 11:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Cinnamon 2.8 to Add Device Vendor and Model Information, Better Box Pointers - Softpedia		Aug 24 11:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fanless, Intel Atom-Based Internet of Things	Aug 24 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	Gateway http://t.co/YUrSRVWxGS	Aug 24 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com) "embedded computers	Aug 24 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Logic Supply Announces Fanless, Intel Atom-Based Internet of Things Gateway - Softpedia		Aug 24 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	powered by GNU/Linux operating systems"	Aug 24 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njd0a	Aug 24 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	@_gooplusplus @sjvn @dailylinuxuser @swapnilbhartiya	Aug 24 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	@linuxnote @tuxmachines @MariusNestor USB	Aug 24 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	Multiboot E64 http://t.co/DX1WWwNIXJ	Aug 24 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gooplusplus.com \| USB Multiboot 2015 Eclectic 64-bit Linux and Utilities Collection - Instructions and Documentation - Gooplusplus / YUMI		Aug 24 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gooplusplus.com) http://t.co/lPLPIKCcF1	Aug 24 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@_gooplusplus: @sjvn @dailylinuxuser @swapnilbhartiya @linuxnote @tuxmachines @MariusNestor USB Multiboot E64 http://t.co/DX1WWwNIXJ http://t.co/lPLPIKCcF1		Aug 24 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njd0b	Aug 24 12:14
MinceR	http://dilbert.com/strip/2015-08-24	Aug 24 12:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dilbert.com \| Robots Read News Of Supreme Court Ruling - Dilbert Comic Strip on 2015-08-24 \| Dilbert by Scott Adams		Aug 24 12:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@_gooplusplus @sjvn @dailylinuxuser @swapnilbhartiya	Aug 24 14:24
TweetTuxMachines	@linuxnote @tuxmachines @MariusNestor USB	Aug 24 14:24
TweetTuxMachines	Multiboot L32 http://t.co/AfWdX6vlrk	Aug 24 14:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gooplusplus.com \| USB Multiboot 2015 Lite Speed 32-bit Linux and Utilities - Instructions and Documentation - Gooplusplus / YUMI		Aug 24 14:24
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gooplusplus.com) http://t.co/8csBOhz5fn	Aug 24 14:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/cWCACCH9Ji	Aug 24 14:24
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 24 14:24
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cubexyz	ok, I wrote a simple example of a unix filter program	Aug 24 16:51
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/unix-simple-filter.c	Aug 24 16:51
msb__	cubexyz: What's the significance of that filter program?	Aug 24 17:17
cubexyz	it just filters a text file to all lower case characters	Aug 24 17:19
msb__	I know, but surely you've written many more complex ones before.	Aug 24 17:20
cubexyz	just trying to re-emphasize the unix philosophy of combining small discrete tools to do larger tasks, as opposed to swiss army knife type programs	Aug 24 17:20
cubexyz	right, but I tended not to write filters until more recently	Aug 24 17:21
msb__	cubexyz: You said you like science-fiction movies. I just watched Star Trek: Renegades. It's wonderful! Apparently fan/crowd-financed but very professional. It has a few actors from previous Star Trek series, but mostly new ones. Mostly women. It's even in youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE2Wgop9VLM	Aug 24 17:27
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cubexyz	ok.. this is how one would do it in the 1975 era of C:	Aug 24 17:30
msb__	But I got it in BT, from here. Probably not even a crime. https://kat.cr/star-trek-renegades-2015-720p-web-dl-650mb-mkvcage-t11141100.html	Aug 24 17:31
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cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/filter-v5.c	Aug 24 17:31
cubexyz	that should work on old v5 cc and modern	Aug 24 17:32
msb__	cubexyz: That's how I still do it. How else?	Aug 24 17:32
cubexyz	in my first example I'm using ctype which doesn't exist in the v5 era	Aug 24 17:32
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cubexyz	actually I'm not using the define in v5	Aug 24 17:34
cubexyz	anyways I like to add new utilities to Unix v5	Aug 24 17:34
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/filter-v5.c	Aug 24 17:35
msb__	I have many dozens of programs like that, some in C, some in bash. When I get an e-mail or web page with weird characters in it, I put it thru one of those filters and look at the result with a program that displays all 256 bytecodes, and if some of them still aren't printable, I add another filter to the pipe.	Aug 24 17:35
cubexyz	there... no define needed	Aug 24 17:35
cubexyz	yes, but do you write filters?	Aug 24 17:36
cubexyz	it's a different mindset	Aug 24 17:36
msb__	Of course! What else can you put in a pipeline?	Aug 24 17:36
cubexyz	pipe to bc, head, tail, awk, xargs, wc, etc	Aug 24 17:38
cubexyz	I guess any program that uses text and reads stdin and outputs to stdout	Aug 24 17:39
cubexyz	just pointing out that that still was true in 1974 era	Aug 24 17:39
msb__	Most people don't know what kind of characters they're putting into an e-mail, so if I want to write a serious answer, I filter their text to simple ASCII, reformat it to about 65 characters wide, prefix the lines with ">", and answer that.	Aug 24 17:40
cubexyz	pipes were introduced in Unix v3, but I that didn't survive, except in fragments	Aug 24 17:40
cubexyz	email can be plain ASCII, but you can probably assume it's not these days	Aug 24 17:41
cubexyz	I think mutt can do it though	Aug 24 17:41
msb__	I use mutt. It seems to read most anything. But I like to know what I'm sending out, if it's a serious discussion. So I translate what I get into plain ASCII, edit it with the mc editor, and send it out.	Aug 24 17:43
msb__	One place I got started was this Perl program by John Walker (co-author of AutoCAD) (https://www.fourmilab.ch/), which he calls the demoroniser, which converts Microsoft "special" characters (like left- and right-hand doublequotes) into plain ASCII -- https://www.fourmilab.ch/webtools/demoroniser/	Aug 24 17:53
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msb__	I extracted and tabulated the guts of it and made it into a pipeline in a bash script using 11 calls to my "replace" filter, which replaces any specified string with another specified string. (The two strings can contain any of the 256 byte codes.)	Aug 24 17:58
msb__	Not efficient, but for e-mails it	Aug 24 18:00
msb__	Not efficient, but for e-mails it's instantaneous, so who cares, and it's very easy to troubleshoot and enhance.	Aug 24 18:00
msb__	So much spam uses UTF-8 codes to disguise itself so you can't trap it. I have procmail throw all e-mails (after white-listing) that have UTF-8 in the From header into the trash.	Aug 24 18:07
msb__	I quickly scan the trash every once in a while, pull out the good stuff, and add their From info to the whitelist.	Aug 24 18:07
msb__	So much of the computer world, like the rest of the world, has to be devoted to fighting off evil!	Aug 24 18:09
msb__	Anyhow, try Renegades -- it's an experience!	Aug 24 18:12
msb__	I had a very good dream after watching it, too!	Aug 24 18:15
msb__	cubexyz: Here's the final fixms filter. I forgot that it uses two long calls to "tr	Aug 24 18:35
msb__	cubexyz: Here's the final fixms filter. I forgot that it uses two long calls to "tr" to do the single-character replacements, and the 11 calls to "replace" to do the multi-character ones: http://cosmicpenguin.com/linux/fixms.150824	Aug 24 18:36
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cubexyz	haha	Aug 24 19:11
cubexyz	looks very useful msb__	Aug 24 19:12
cubexyz	I understand the need for UTF-8 though	Aug 24 19:12
cubexyz	although there's usually a way to translate stuff as your script does	Aug 24 19:13
cubexyz	symbolic languages such as APL really don't transliterate too well	Aug 24 19:14
cubexyz	not sure if openbsd has the replace command	Aug 24 19:27
msb__	Probably not -- it's one that I wrote. I'll upload it.	Aug 24 19:28
cubexyz	we need the msb repo	Aug 24 19:29
cubexyz	mysql has a replace command but that's obviously something different	Aug 24 19:29
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msb__	http://cosmicpenguin.com/linux/replace3.cccc	Aug 24 19:37
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msb__	Stupid firefox won't just display at .c file, it insists on "doing" something with it. So I had to rename it.	Aug 24 19:38
cubexyz	I usually suffix text files with .txt	Aug 24 19:40
cubexyz	seems firefox prefers that	Aug 24 19:40
msb__	Life is one big work-around!	Aug 24 19:41
cubexyz	just imagine how Thompson and Richie felt before they invented Unix and C language	Aug 24 19:42
XRevan86	Firefox first reads UNIX mimes.	Aug 24 19:43
XRevan86	so if you have a .c with plain texty mime, it will show.	Aug 24 19:44
msb__	I wouldn't be surprised if intelligent creatures on the other side of the galaxy invented things very similar to Unix and C. They're just the simplest and best ways of doing things.	Aug 24 19:44
msb__	Then a Poettering-alien came along and they tossed him into the nearest black hole.	Aug 24 19:47
msb__	He's down there writing Windows 11, but he can't get it over the gravity well.	Aug 24 19:48
msb__	XRevan86: I don't understand what you mean by "UNIX mimes". Where's the mime designation in a web page?	Aug 24 19:50
MinceR	it can also depend on the web server	Aug 24 19:50
MinceR	it may detect MIME type and decide Content-Disposition based on that	Aug 24 19:51
XRevan86	msb__: https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/tutorials/configuring_mimetypes_on_the_server	Aug 24 19:51
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MinceR	(though it seems unlikely to me)	Aug 24 19:51
XRevan86	http://serverfault.com/a/364430	Aug 24 19:51
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cubexyz	so text/html html htm shtml c?	Aug 24 19:52
msb__	Aagh! I vaguely remember that. Well, I have no control over the server on my web host anyhow.	Aug 24 19:52
cubexyz	or something like that	Aug 24 19:52
XRevan86	cubexyz: I like the solution from serverfault (add_header Content-Type)	Aug 24 19:52
XRevan86	(nginx)	Aug 24 19:53
cubexyz	ah, text/plain it would be	Aug 24 19:53
cubexyz	text/plain asc text c	Aug 24 19:54
msb__	XRevan86: Is that something you put in the web page? What if the server is apache?	Aug 24 19:54
cubexyz	msb__, just edit mime.types	Aug 24 19:54
XRevan86	msb__: It's web server configuration.	Aug 24 19:54
msb__	In the web server?	Aug 24 19:54
XRevan86	msb__: Correct.	Aug 24 19:54
msb__	I can't do that.	Aug 24 19:54
XRevan86	msb__: Then append .txt :).	Aug 24 19:55
cubexyz	ok try this:	Aug 24 19:55
msb__	Screw it, I'll append .cccc and explain it.	Aug 24 19:55
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/math1.c	Aug 24 19:55
XRevan86	msb__: Do you have cgi, though?	Aug 24 19:55
XRevan86	of any kind	Aug 24 19:55
msb__	I think I do.	Aug 24 19:55
cubexyz	XRevan86, seems to work OK now	Aug 24 19:55
cubexyz	I assume firefox will display the file?	Aug 24 19:56
XRevan86	msb__: You can twist content-type through cgi.	Aug 24 19:56
XRevan86	echo "Content-Type: plain/text" in bash :)	Aug 24 19:57
cubexyz	is there a way to tell firefox to handle .c files?	Aug 24 19:57
msb__	XRevan86: I am so glad to hear that. But being a crude sort of fuckhead I don't give a damn.	Aug 24 19:57
cubexyz	do what everyone else does, complain to the sysadmin	Aug 24 19:59
msb__	XRevan86: RT says that young Islamic morons are leaving Russia to join ISIL. Be careful out there!	Aug 24 20:00
XRevan86	msb__: I'm not islamic :)	Aug 24 20:01
msb__	Obviously, but they might be in your neighborhood.	Aug 24 20:01
MinceR	not for long if they're leaving :>	Aug 24 20:02
msb__	Good point. But the US is giving them weapons. Yikes, it might bring them here!	Aug 24 20:03
MinceR	i doubt the US is giving ISIL joiners or anyone located in russia weapons	Aug 24 20:04
MinceR	the former is their enemy and the latter... i don't see how russia would allow that	Aug 24 20:05
msb__	The US has to create its own enemies, because nobody is stupid enough to attack it.	Aug 24 20:05
cubexyz	thoughts about proprietary binary data formats:	Aug 24 20:06
cubexyz	http://www.podval.org/~sds/data.html	Aug 24 20:06
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msb__	The US gives weapons to ISIL in the middle east. Leaves big piles of them where ISIL can find them. Arms jihadist nutballs in Syria that join ISIL.	Aug 24 20:06
XRevan86	подвал?	Aug 24 20:06
XRevan86	A creative name for a website.	Aug 24 20:06
msb__	meaning?	Aug 24 20:06
XRevan86	msb__: basement	Aug 24 20:07
MinceR	looks like enough people are stupid enough to attack the US	Aug 24 20:07
msb__	Who?	Aug 24 20:08
MinceR	putin was stupid enough to threaten NATO members and other US allies, for example	Aug 24 20:08
MinceR	north korea also seems to be constantly trying to pick a fight	Aug 24 20:09
msb__	Oi Gevalt! A threat isn't an attack, and Putin was responding to US/NATO threats, sanctions, etc.	Aug 24 20:10
MinceR	i wonder if the "Long Peace" is over already	Aug 24 20:10
cubexyz	people are a bit smarter now	Aug 24 20:10
MinceR	i wonder about that too	Aug 24 20:10
cubexyz	instanteous commmunications helps a lot	Aug 24 20:10
MinceR	people are voluntarily throwing away their human rights	Aug 24 20:11
msb__	The two Koreas are annoying each other at the moment. Not the US.	Aug 24 20:11
MinceR	hungarians voted a dictator into power voluntarily	Aug 24 20:11
MinceR	msb__: north korea is pretty open about the usa being their arch enemy	Aug 24 20:11
msb__	They are not attacking.	Aug 24 20:11
MinceR	then again, maybe that's because they don't want to admit they'd exterminate south koreans given a chance	Aug 24 20:11
msb__	Send them a few tons of Spam(tm) and they'd love us.	Aug 24 20:12
XRevan86	MinceR: That's mutual, no?	Aug 24 20:12
MinceR	dunno	Aug 24 20:12
cubexyz	MinceR, at least no attacks by nuclear weapons have occurred	Aug 24 20:12
MinceR	the southerners seem to have civilized quite a bit	Aug 24 20:12
MinceR	cubexyz: yet.	Aug 24 20:12
MinceR	at least north koreans are less likely to do that, as they don't seem to believe in an afterlife	Aug 24 20:13
msb__	The southerners started the current dustup by blasting propaganda across the border with loudspeakers.	Aug 24 20:13
MinceR	thank you for relaying the state socialist party lines as usual	Aug 24 20:13
msb__	Oops, I've got the bot.	Aug 24 20:14
XRevan86	https://s3-eu5.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https:%2F%2Fphotos.travelblog.org%2FPhotos%2F11053%2F445172%2Ff%2F4367598-A-priest-with-no-parishoners--Russian-Orthodox-Church-Pyongyang-North-Korea-2.jpg&sp=968b524566768cfad484d5a55e3c9e9b	Aug 24 20:15
XRevan86	MinceR: They don't? :)	Aug 24 20:15
msb__	MinceR: Read the damn news!	Aug 24 20:15
MinceR	msb__: please translate. "news" or "putler's propaganda"?	Aug 24 20:15
XRevan86	MinceR: I guess that's okay and peaceful that the neighburing state sends balloons with anti-regime propaganda.	Aug 24 20:16
XRevan86	Even though North Koreans probably don't have means to read that propaganda :).	Aug 24 20:17
msb__	MinceR: Looks like putler has taken over CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/21/asia/korea-north-south-tensions-explainer/index.html?ref=apptest	Aug 24 20:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnn.com \| Korean crisis: What's behind the North-South divide? - CNN.com [ http://ur1.ca/nji8g ]		Aug 24 20:19
MinceR	msb__: rejoice, then	Aug 24 20:20
XRevan86	msb__: Is Fox safe?	Aug 24 20:20
MinceR	the plan for eliminating all human rights (which you support so much) is proceeding!	Aug 24 20:20
XRevan86	MinceR: Which one: Korean, American, Russian or Chinese?	Aug 24 20:21
MinceR	russian/chinese/north korean/etc.	Aug 24 20:21
XRevan86	MinceR: You ignore americans? That prejudice.	Aug 24 20:22
MinceR	their plan is separate and is much slower	Aug 24 20:22
MinceR	among other things, it's hindered by things like a lingering belief in the necessity of freedom of speech	Aug 24 20:23
msb__	XRevan86: No matter how often I tell MinceR what I do and don't support, a week later he forgets it and I have to tell him again.	Aug 24 20:23
MinceR	you keep saying you don't support stalinism, and then go ahead and support stalinism	Aug 24 20:23
msb__	MinceR: Quote me where I support Stalinism.	Aug 24 20:24
MinceR	211337 < msb__> The southerners started the current dustup by blasting propaganda across the border with loudspeakers.	Aug 24 20:24
MinceR	211002 < msb__> Oi Gevalt! A threat isn't an attack, and Putin was responding to US/NATO threats, sanctions, etc.	Aug 24 20:24
abeNd-org	the northerners started the dustup with the mines, the loudspeakers were in response to that	Aug 24 20:25
MinceR	and there are many more, but i'm not going to look through the logs	Aug 24 20:25
msb__	And Stalin is mentioned where exactly?	Aug 24 20:25
msb__	I didn't know about the mines.	Aug 24 20:25
MinceR	of course you didn't	Aug 24 20:25
MinceR	RT didn't tell you about it	Aug 24 20:25
MinceR	s/it/them/	Aug 24 20:25
msb__	RT didn't mention any of it.	Aug 24 20:26
MinceR	that's what i said	Aug 24 20:26
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msb__	You are unbelieveably nasty, MinceR	Aug 24 20:26
MinceR	uh huh	Aug 24 20:26
DaemonFC	Holy crap. The stock market is continuing to collapse.	Aug 24 20:26
abeNd-org	msb__: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/11/world/asia/north-korea-placed-mines-that-maimed-2-south-korean-soldiers-at-dmz-seoul-says.html?_r=0	Aug 24 20:27
MinceR	msb__: it's kind of hard to take your alleged support for anarcho-communism seriously when you openly praise stalinist and post-stalinist regimes.	Aug 24 20:27
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DaemonFC	So much for that claim that workers with stock portfolios are doing well.	Aug 24 20:27
msb__	MinceR: I did not praise NK.	Aug 24 20:27
abeNd-org	DaemonFC: that is ok, it is only money, the middle class will be completely destroyed & have to submit themselves to even more govt assistance. The rich will still be rich enough that they will survive	Aug 24 20:27
abeNd-org	msb__: besides http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/24/us-northkorea-southkorea-idUSKCN0QR02D20150824	Aug 24 20:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reuters.com \| North, South Korea reach agreement to ease tensions \| Reuters [ http://ur1.ca/njicp ]		Aug 24 20:30
msb__	MinceR: There are NO instances where I supported stalinism. What you do is start with a true statement I made and then falsely and ridiculously extrapolate from it.	Aug 24 20:31
msb__	MinceR: If I say that Putin did something good by fostering Eurasian economic cooperation in recent meetings, you claim that I'm "supporting stalinism".	Aug 24 20:34
msb__	MinceR: What you're doing has a name: LYING.	Aug 24 20:34
MinceR	that's more of a post-stalinist regime	Aug 24 20:34
MinceR	a similar kind of post-communist nazism as in hungary	Aug 24 20:35
DaemonFC	Apple is down another 6 points.	Aug 24 20:35
MinceR	msb__: yes, supporting human rights is called "LYING"	Aug 24 20:35
DaemonFC	They fell to 95.24 right after the bell rang this morning.	Aug 24 20:35
DaemonFC	They're hobering around 102 now.	Aug 24 20:35
msb__	MinceR: You are not supporting human rights. You are constantly obsessing about Putin.	Aug 24 20:36
DaemonFC	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-24/did-tim-cook-violate-regulation-fair-disclosure-emailing-jim-cramer-save-aapl-stock-	Aug 24 20:36
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MinceR	msb__: guess what putin does to human rights	Aug 24 20:36
abeNd-org	just glad my wife & I visited .kr a few yrs back, before tubby the nutjob nukes the peninsula	Aug 24 20:36
MinceR	msb__: a few hints: https://meduza.io/en/news/2015/08/20/russia-threatens-to-ban-wikipedia http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/putin-clamps-down-a-chilling-report-from-moscow-20140430	Aug 24 20:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rollingstone.com \| Putin Clamps Down: A Chilling Report From Moscow \| Rolling Stone [ http://ur1.ca/njifg ]		Aug 24 20:37
msb__	Yeah, that's gonna work.	Aug 24 20:37
msb__	MinceR: Best you can come up with is an article about Pussy Riot from a year and a half ago.	Aug 24 20:44
MinceR	oh right, human rights violations expire in 1 year	Aug 24 20:44
MinceR	oh wait, they don't	Aug 24 20:45
msb__	Looks like almost every story in meduza.io is critical of Russia: https://meduza.io/en/articles	Aug 24 20:52
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MinceR	how dare they!	Aug 24 20:52
msb__	https://meduza.io/en/feature/2015/08/14/the-kremlin-s-manichaean-delusion	Aug 24 20:52
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msb__	I'	Aug 24 20:52
msb__	It's a biased propaganda site.	Aug 24 20:52
MinceR	every "socialist" knows that everything is going perfectly fine in russia, right?	Aug 24 20:53
msb__	I have never said any such thing.	Aug 24 20:53
XRevan86	I like Meduza. It's actually not very propagandist.	Aug 24 20:53
XRevan86	Of course, I read a Russian version.	Aug 24 20:53
MinceR	in before msb__ excommunicates XRevan86	Aug 24 20:54
msb__	I would never expel XRevan86 from my religion -- the Cosmic Church of the Orgone Goddess	Aug 24 20:59
XRevan86	ugh	Aug 24 20:59
msb__	The Goddess smiles upon you nevertheless!	Aug 24 20:59
msb__	XRevan86: check out this article. It's very nasty: https://meduza.io/en/feature/2015/08/14/the-kremlin-s-manichaean-delusion	Aug 24 21:06
XRevan86	Apparently Russian and Intl Meduza's are very different indeed.	Aug 24 21:07
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msb__	Regarding http://www.globalresearch.ca/, it says: " it's a fairly standard conspiracy rumor-mill that runs the whole gamut from 9/11 truthery and to anti-vaccination hysterics".	Aug 24 21:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca \| Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization		Aug 24 21:10
MinceR	sounds pretty accurate	Aug 24 21:10
XRevan86	Did you hear about Roscomnadzor blocking Wikipedia?	Aug 24 21:11
MinceR	so they've gone beyond threatening?	Aug 24 21:12
msb__	MinceR: Yes, to you, who won't access articles/videos about the facts of 9/11 or the harm done by vaccines, it fits right in with your programmed worldview.	Aug 24 21:12
XRevan86	MinceR: Indeed.	Aug 24 21:12
MinceR	as expected	Aug 24 21:12
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Russia	Aug 24 21:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Internet censorship in Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqq64 ]		Aug 24 21:13
msb__	XRevan86: Is it blocked to http or just https?	Aug 24 21:13
XRevan86	msb__: I don't know, my Internet provider cares not.	Aug 24 21:13
msb__	What do you mean? Can you access it or not?	Aug 24 21:14
XRevan86	msb__: My provider doesn't honour Roscomhadzor's blocklist %).	Aug 24 21:14
XRevan86	nadzor*	Aug 24 21:15
msb__	So you can access it.	Aug 24 21:15
XRevan86	msb__: Correct.	Aug 24 21:15
msb__	And even if it did, you could probably access it via a proxy site.	Aug 24 21:17
MinceR	so msb__ supports internet censorship as long as it can be circumvented	Aug 24 21:17
MinceR	is this a "socialist" thing too?	Aug 24 21:17
msb__	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME. I don't support internet censorship at all.	Aug 24 21:18
MinceR	stop lying about yourself.	Aug 24 21:18
msb__	lame	Aug 24 21:18
XRevan86	MinceR: Obviously msb__ is interested in how tied censorship in Russia is.	Aug 24 21:18
MinceR	obviously msb__ is desperately trying to whitewash his favorite fascists.	Aug 24 21:19
MinceR	be it putin or kim jong-un	Aug 24 21:19
msb__	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME. I do not favor any fascists.	Aug 24 21:19
MinceR	you have curious ways of showing your disfavor.	Aug 24 21:20
MinceR	http://www.rferl.org/section/crackdown-on-ngos-in-russia/3272.html	Aug 24 21:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rferl.org \| The Crackdown On NGOs In Russia [ http://ur1.ca/njixo ]		Aug 24 21:22
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_foreign_agent_law	Aug 24 21:22
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DaemonFC	https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/https-everywhere/	Aug 24 21:23
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DaemonFC	Looks like https everywhere is signed now, so it should work in Firefox 41.	Aug 24 21:23
msb__	MinceR: Radio Free Europe!!! Why don't you directly reference the CIA?	Aug 24 21:24
MinceR	because the CIA did not come up on my search	Aug 24 21:24
MinceR	https://freedomhouse.org/report/special-reports/undermining-democracy-21st-century-authoritarians	Aug 24 21:28
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msb__	MinceR: https://freedomhouse.org/about-us -- "We advocate for U.S. leadership and collaboration with like-minded governments to vigorously oppose dictators and oppression. "	Aug 24 21:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freedomhouse.org \| About us \| Freedom House		Aug 24 21:32
MinceR	oh, right	Aug 24 21:33
MinceR	since the usa (says) opposes dictators and oppression, dictators and oppression are Good Things	Aug 24 21:33
MinceR	right?	Aug 24 21:33
msb__	What about the US invasion and destruction of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria, and the murders of millions of people? "Freedom House" doesn't mention that. But it complains about Venezuela.	Aug 24 21:34
DaemonFC	Yeah, yeah, and people hate Americans, even as most of us are unable to do anything about what our government is up to.	Aug 24 21:35
MinceR	what about the russian invasion of afghanistan, georgia and ukraine?	Aug 24 21:35
MinceR	what about the holodomor?	Aug 24 21:35
DaemonFC	It's gotten totally out of control. Unanswerable to very nearly all of the citizens.	Aug 24 21:35
MinceR	what about the russian invasion and occupation of the eastern bloc?	Aug 24 21:35
DaemonFC	You theoretically have a choice between two parties who will do 90% of the same stuff no matter which way the election goes.	Aug 24 21:35
MinceR	what about the venezuelan government fucking up the venezuelan economy so hard you can't even buy toilet paper or gasoline?	Aug 24 21:36
XRevan86	> holodomor	Aug 24 21:36
XRevan86	come on!	Aug 24 21:36
msb__	Russia no longer is in the eastern block.	Aug 24 21:36
DaemonFC	MinceR, Just like the USSR.	Aug 24 21:36
MinceR	it's coming back	Aug 24 21:36
DaemonFC	You could buy, whatever the store happened to have that day.	Aug 24 21:36
MinceR	russia has annexed a part of ukraine and has threatened to take over the baltic states and poland	Aug 24 21:36
DaemonFC	So you bought 100 of them and waited to barter with your neighbors for what you really needed.	Aug 24 21:36
MinceR	and russia has fans in the hungarian nazis, including in the hungarian nazi government	Aug 24 21:37
MinceR	the venezuelan government set mandatory prices for wares that are set by their laughably inaccurate valuation of their currency	Aug 24 21:37
MinceR	so it would be a huge loss for anyone to produce and sell products at those prices	Aug 24 21:38
MinceR	unsurprisingly, nobody does	Aug 24 21:38
DaemonFC	MinceR, That's a surefire way of getting a black market.	Aug 24 21:38
MinceR	indeed	Aug 24 21:38
DaemonFC	The government officially values the currency too high, you get black market goods and currency trading at what it's really worth.	Aug 24 21:38
MinceR	and many other things	Aug 24 21:38
MinceR	but there still are many people who think their wishes of how economy ought to function can override how reality actually works	Aug 24 21:39
MinceR	even though these beliefs have already destroyed countries.	Aug 24 21:39
DaemonFC	The US government is a currency manipulator, to be sure, but it gets away with it because the other world currencies are manipulated even more.	Aug 24 21:39
msb__	Also because nations that don't want to trade in US dollars can be invaded and destroyed, like Libya.	Aug 24 21:40
MinceR	http://www.icnl.org/research/monitor/russia.html	Aug 24 21:40
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MinceR	libya was destroyed by its own dictator, gaddafi	Aug 24 21:40
DaemonFC	What's going on now is that other countries who built their whole economy around selling things to Americans have to devalue their currency to keep their exports flowing.	Aug 24 21:40
MinceR	but of course msb__ loves gaddafi because he called his dictatorship "socialist" or something like that	Aug 24 21:41
msb__	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJURNC0e6Ek	Aug 24 21:41
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DaemonFC	MinceR, Of course, the dollars they are getting aren't worthless. They can buy real property here in the United States.	Aug 24 21:41
DaemonFC	You can't really do that with the Chinese Yuan or the Russian Ruble. There's just too many restrictions on foreign direct investment, so they're not reserve currencies.	Aug 24 21:42
DaemonFC	When you buy up a bunch of dollars, it's because you expect that you can buy something with them, like real estate or stocks or whole companies.	Aug 24 21:42
DaemonFC	Or oil, which we've managed to keep priced in them.	Aug 24 21:43
DaemonFC	That's a big reason why the US doesn't want clean renewable energy. Less demand for oil and the dollar becomes less important.	Aug 24 21:44
DaemonFC	The auto manufacturers have managed to stall out fuel efficiency standards for so many years that the 2015 fleet only gets about 1 mile per gallon more than the vehicles built in 1996.	Aug 24 21:45
DaemonFC	They're supposed to average 54.5 mpg by 2025, but the fines are cheaper, so it just acts like another federal tax on each vehicle.	Aug 24 21:45
DaemonFC	The mpg won't improve very much.	Aug 24 21:45
DaemonFC	New cars will get more expensive.	Aug 24 21:46
DaemonFC	https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2015/02/10/extension-signing-safer-experience/	Aug 24 21:48
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DaemonFC	$38.99 a barrel for oil.	Aug 24 21:50
DaemonFC	The winter blend gas should be here around the middle of next month.	Aug 24 21:51
DaemonFC	It might be well below $2 a gallon.	Aug 24 21:51
DaemonFC	As for the "workers will need more welfare" comment, yeah.	Aug 24 21:54
DaemonFC	Stock market gains and losses really don't have as much of an effect on workers as they used to.	Aug 24 21:55
DaemonFC	Because more workers are too poor to even consider investing in anything.	Aug 24 21:55
MinceR	https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/07/russia-begins-blacklisting-undesirable-organizations/	Aug 24 22:00
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DaemonFC	https://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_et_up_redir?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdPage=1&cdThread=Tx3HL3E8RET9X8X&newContentID=MxHB2CCHTETD05&newContentNum=59#Mx4H7GG4PIQXGD	Aug 24 22:21
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DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 24 22:21
DaemonFC	Jack O'Neill: "I was just in the middle of a lovely brunch!"	Aug 24 22:21
DaemonFC	Ba'al: "Impudence!"	Aug 24 22:21
DaemonFC	O'Neill: "No...tuna."	Aug 24 22:21
MinceR	lol	Aug 24 22:22
MinceR	"in the middle of my backswing?!"	Aug 24 22:22
MinceR	Ba'al: You dare mock me?	Aug 24 22:26
MinceR	Brigadier General Jack O'Neill: Ba'al, come on, you should know. Of course I dare mock you.	Aug 24 22:26
DaemonFC	http://www.thebrewsite.com/best_cheap_beers/	Aug 24 22:31
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DaemonFC	Rolling Rock is probably the best of the bad beers. (Goes on sale for $1 for a 25 ounce can all the time.)	Aug 24 22:31
DaemonFC	Almost drinkable if you get it down to just short of freezing.	Aug 24 22:31
MinceR	http://imgur.com/gallery/cPHiWdI	Aug 24 22:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-imgur.com \| I agree - Imgur		Aug 24 22:32
MinceR	or i can just drink water.	Aug 24 22:32
DaemonFC	MinceR, Did I mention that Fort Wayne had a mayor in the 30s, 40s, and 50s named Harry Baals?	Aug 24 22:32
DaemonFC	So, a local brewery company that runs a nice restaurant has a Guinness clone called Harry Baals Irish Stout.	Aug 24 22:33
MinceR	yup	Aug 24 22:33
DaemonFC	I ordered one last Friday.	Aug 24 22:33
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DaemonFC	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJvJKRKXALY	Aug 24 22:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Jimmy Kimmel Live: Harry Baals, Commemorative Busts - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/njjp2 ]		Aug 24 22:35
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Aug 24 22:42
DaemonFC	Just now ·	Aug 24 22:42
DaemonFC	It only needed to run for 8 hours and 37 minutes to beat the battery that you actually get with an iPhone. :)	Aug 24 22:42
DaemonFC	http://www.geek.com/apple/hydrogen-fuel-cell-integrated-into-iphone-6-powers-it-for-a-week-1631924/	Aug 24 22:42
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MinceR	i don't see the point	Aug 24 22:44
MinceR	i can do nothing for a week without any sort of power source	Aug 24 22:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines For open source legend Eric S. Raymond,	Aug 24 23:04
TweetTuxMachines	user-centric design is long overdue	Aug 24 23:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Review: Canonical continues cloud push with	Aug 24 23:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Solus Operating System Arrives on October 1,	Aug 25 00:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tweaking the Linux desktop	Aug 25 00:25
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TweetTuxMachines	(manilastandardtoday.com) "NO operating system	Aug 25 00:25
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TweetTuxMachines	is perfect and Linux is no exception."	Aug 25 00:25
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LibreOffice 5.0 and Microsoft Office 2013 Full	Aug 25 00:28
TweetTuxMachines	Comparison http://t.co/IHodi6qVDN	Aug 25 00:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OTA-6 Update for Ubuntu Touch Could Arrive by	Aug 25 00:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Kills Desktop Ubuntu Software Center,	Aug 25 00:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines First Look: Dell Venue 10: A hybrid for Android	Aug 25 00:55
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schestowitz	Yesterday morning Dow was down 2,000 points in less than 3 days of trading. http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/dow/ crisis in progress?	Aug 25 02:09
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schestowitz	asian markets to open shortly, panic may resume	Aug 25 02:11
schestowitz	20 mins from now	Aug 25 02:11
MinceR	what are they panicking about?	Aug 25 02:11
schestowitz	good question	Aug 25 02:12
schestowitz	not sure I can answer that	Aug 25 02:13
schestowitz	I think it's a sheep effect	Aug 25 02:13
schestowitz	if you think it'll continue to collapse, you take the money and run	Aug 25 02:13
schestowitz	lack of confidence among investors	Aug 25 02:13
schestowitz	anyway, it's an international thing	Aug 25 02:14
schestowitz	no escaping from it, but some markets do worse than others	Aug 25 02:14
schestowitz	watch what happened to some countries like spain, ireland, and greece	Aug 25 02:14
schestowitz	my fear is austerity and the likes of that in the UK	Aug 25 02:14
schestowitz	"while everyone was freting over greece last month, the chinese stock markets in a month lost nearly as much as greece's entire gdp" -colleague	Aug 25 02:15
XFaCE	schestowitz: the power of marketing	Aug 25 02:15
MinceR	ic	Aug 25 02:15
schestowitz	so I think it's worth watching closely in the coming week, it's not just a fluke	Aug 25 02:15
schestowitz	!google orban warns greece	Aug 25 02:16
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - EU states at odds on eve of summit on migration crisis \| Reuters \| http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/24/us-europe-migrants-hungary-austria-idUSKBN0P411O20150624	Aug 25 02:16
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Hungary's Viktor Orban leads slide in democratic mores \| http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/hungary-s-viktor-orban-leads-slide-in-democratic-mores-1.2244802	Aug 25 02:16
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Hungary's Experience Suggests Greece Will Follow E.U. on Russia ... \| http://time.com/3687387/hungarys-greece-e-u-russia/	Aug 25 02:16
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras's icy ruthlessness take Europe ... \| http://www.afr.com/news/world/europe/greek-prime-minister-alexis-tsiprass-icy-ruthlessness-take-europe-to-the-brink-20150405-1meyf9	Aug 25 02:16
schestowitz	I think he used Greece to scare 'his' people	Aug 25 02:16
schestowitz	or maybe that was Bulgaria	Aug 25 02:16
schestowitz	around 5 years ago	Aug 25 02:16
XFaCE	MinceR: monitor the bitcoin prices	Aug 25 02:17
MinceR	where?	Aug 25 02:17
XFaCE	coindesk is a good one	Aug 25 02:17
XFaCE	google has a search now	Aug 25 02:17
MinceR	and what am i looking for?	Aug 25 02:17
XFaCE	MinceR: prices will shoot up	Aug 25 02:17
XFaCE	as people lose confidence in standard cash storage	Aug 25 02:17
XFaCE	happened during the greece incident	Aug 25 02:18
schestowitz	have they shot up yet?	Aug 25 02:18
schestowitz	I think price of gold is said to have benefited	Aug 25 02:18
schestowitz	it's a good thing we invested a lot of our money not in just currency, 9 months ago....	Aug 25 02:19
schestowitz	though house prices too might collapse	Aug 25 02:19
schestowitz	as they did in 2008/9	Aug 25 02:19
schestowitz	depending here, but here for sure, more so in London area	Aug 25 02:19
XFaCE	schestowitz: I stand corrected	Aug 25 02:21
XFaCE	it has shot down	Aug 25 02:21
XFaCE	http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-price-slumps-following-bitfinex-outage/	Aug 25 02:22
XFaCE	ah	Aug 25 02:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.coindesk.com \| Bitcoin Price Slumps Following Bitfinex Outage [ http://ur1.ca/njmfa ]		Aug 25 02:22
schestowitz	"i don't think that will happen in UK"	Aug 25 02:22
XFaCE	unrelated	Aug 25 02:22
schestowitz	"we have our own currency for one thing"	Aug 25 02:22
schestowitz	That assumes it exists in a vacuum though	Aug 25 02:22
XFaCE	schestowitz: there's also the news about bitcoin forking	Aug 25 02:23
XFaCE	which it should	Aug 25 02:23
schestowitz	yeah	Aug 25 02:23
schestowitz	last week's news	Aug 25 02:23
XFaCE	there are many infrastructure issues that can only be solved with a different protocol	Aug 25 02:23
schestowitz	lots of FUD from corporate media as a result	Aug 25 02:23
XFaCE	really?	Aug 25 02:23
XFaCE	I'm not surprised	Aug 25 02:24
XFaCE	schestowitz: but I'm curious, how did they spin it?	Aug 25 02:24
schestowitz	"well it's not impossible for us to have trouble"	Aug 25 02:24
schestowitz	"but not the restriction on cash like they've had in greece"	Aug 25 02:24
schestowitz	-colleague	Aug 25 02:24
schestowitz	XFaCE: I can't recall exactly, but Wall Street media made it sound like Bitcoin is kaput	Aug 25 02:24
schestowitz	some played the "open source" anglew	Aug 25 02:24
XFaCE	schestowitz: did it sounds like a Microsoft Jack article?	Aug 25 02:25
XFaCE	*sound	Aug 25 02:25
schestowitz	No, nothing of that sort	Aug 25 02:25
schestowitz	Jack doesn't even write much for all I can tell...	Aug 25 02:25
schestowitz	when he does, it's not always awful	Aug 25 02:26
XFaCE	I mean in terms of style	Aug 25 02:26
XFaCE	I read a MS jack article (IIRC)	Aug 25 02:26
schestowitz	in recent years he sometimes promotes Chromebooks/Android/Apple 'i' things	Aug 25 02:26
XFaCE	it was about libreoffice and openoffice should merge	Aug 25 02:26
schestowitz	yes, he wrote about it recently	Aug 25 02:26
schestowitz	but his article wasn't too bad	Aug 25 02:26
schestowitz	I checked it for abusive languages and such	Aug 25 02:26
XFaCE	started out reasonable, ended with Microsoft sucking-up	Aug 25 02:26
schestowitz	he quoted that german (sounding) guy and explained what was expressed	Aug 25 02:27
schestowitz	no snide remarks that I could see	Aug 25 02:27
schestowitz	I didn't see the MS sucking up	Aug 25 02:27
XFaCE	schestowitz: I think he mention munich again in the end	Aug 25 02:27
schestowitz	can you show me that?	Aug 25 02:27
schestowitz	oh, did he?	Aug 25 02:27
schestowitz	But how so?	Aug 25 02:27
XFaCE	if I can find the article again	Aug 25 02:28
schestowitz	It's not so important	Aug 25 02:28
schestowitz	and it's old	Aug 25 02:28
schestowitz	so even if I found something, I wouldn't want to bring that up again	Aug 25 02:28
XFaCE	http://www.zdnet.com/article/apache-should-deprecate-openoffice-and-send-users-to-libreoffice-instead/	Aug 25 02:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Apache should deprecate OpenOffice and send users to LibreOffice instead \| ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/njmi0 ]		Aug 25 02:29
schestowitz	let's just say that his attacks on libreoffice in the comments the other month were priceless	Aug 25 02:29
schestowitz	ah, ok	Aug 25 02:29
XFaCE	"Of course, even after the Munich debacle, some organizations may still want to switch from Microsoft Office to a version of Open Office, but the research suggests this leads to a loss of productivity and increased costs. Today, ZDNet reported that an Italian city that switched to Open Office is now switching to Office 365, and Munich may yet follow."	Aug 25 02:29
schestowitz	someone told me about these in d&	Aug 25 02:29
schestowitz	d*	Aug 25 02:29
schestowitz	ah, typical jack	Aug 25 02:29
schestowitz	but it's not too gross a statement	Aug 25 02:30
XFaCE	true	Aug 25 02:30
XFaCE	but it's pandering nonetheless	Aug 25 02:30
schestowitz	as it is based on at least some claims	Aug 25 02:30
schestowitz	not made up in a vacuum	Aug 25 02:30
schestowitz	well, this relates to openoffice and libreoffice	Aug 25 02:30
schestowitz	so not a total misfit	Aug 25 02:30
schestowitz	when he writes about ms office he doesn't mention libO and OO	Aug 25 02:30
schestowitz	but the opposite untrue, he would smear both and promote MS	Aug 25 02:31
schestowitz	but that's why he's called Microsoft Jack	Aug 25 02:31
schestowitz	if you had shown me this yesterday, I would have included it in the article about munich	Aug 25 02:31
schestowitz	I don't want to whine too much about minor things where there are bigger things to show, e.g. with MS Jack	Aug 25 02:34
schestowitz	seeming like a "whiner"	Aug 25 02:34
schestowitz	not nitpicker	Aug 25 02:34
schestowitz	his article was not TOO horrible	Aug 25 02:34
schestowitz	unlike some	Aug 25 02:34
MinceR	"review: this article sucked somewhat less than his other articles."	Aug 25 02:35
XFaCE	indeed	Aug 25 02:36
schestowitz	if you start whining about smaller things, people stop listening	Aug 25 02:37
schestowitz	like, if I did lots of rants about red hat and systemd	Aug 25 02:37
schestowitz	or if I picked on canonical for some things like debs, Software Centre etc.	Aug 25 02:37
schestowitz	MS Jack did give coverage to OO/LO	Aug 25 02:38
schestowitz	and that in itself helps raise awareness	Aug 25 02:38
schestowitz	he didn't have to mention them at all, so why discourage him\|?	Aug 25 02:38
schestowitz	when I first saw the headline last week I though he was attacking them	Aug 25 02:38
schestowitz	but it cannot be viewed quite as such	Aug 25 02:38
schestowitz	so I let it be. I worry more about Microsoft Petetr now	Aug 25 02:39
schestowitz	Microsoft Emil, the one he took over from at Ars, is now focused on Amazon, Facebook, etc.	Aug 25 02:39
schestowitz	Sometimes Android	Aug 25 02:39
schestowitz	he hardly ever carries water for Microsoft anymore	Aug 25 02:39
schestowitz	same with Ina Fried	Aug 25 02:39
schestowitz	so Microsoft has been losing some high-profile boosters, and that's very encouraging	Aug 25 02:40
schestowitz	days ago MS Peter wrote about Firefox	Aug 25 02:40
schestowitz	and sometimes he criticises Vista 10 these days	Aug 25 02:40
MinceR	the fsf and rms should be doing rants about systemd	Aug 25 02:40
schestowitz	so I think his employer may have said something to him	Aug 25 02:40
MinceR	it's why we have them	Aug 25 02:40
XFaCE	schestowitz: drpizza isn't here anymore I noticed	Aug 25 02:40
MinceR	XFaCE: and nothing of value was lost	Aug 25 02:40
schestowitz	MinceR: no, it would discredit the FSF	Aug 25 02:40
schestowitz	for chastising a project that respects the 4 freedoms as per the GPL	Aug 25 02:41
MinceR	no, the fsf not doing its job is what's discrediting it	Aug 25 02:41
XFaCE	MinceR: at the moment, IgnorantGuru has been the most active critic I seen	Aug 25 02:41
MinceR	it doesn't	Aug 25 02:41
MinceR	lock-in infringes on freedom 0	Aug 25 02:41
XFaCE	schestowitz: He also referenced you in an article	Aug 25 02:41
MinceR	unreadable code and secret apis infringe on freedom 1	Aug 25 02:41
schestowitz	XFaCE: which one?	Aug 25 02:41
MinceR	but the fsf turns a blind eye as long as their licenses are used	Aug 25 02:41
XFaCE	https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/openwashing-and-other-deceptions-in-linux/	Aug 25 02:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-igurublog.wordpress.com \| Openwashing And Other Deceptions In Linux « IgnorantGuru's Blog [ http://ur1.ca/muv1o ]		Aug 25 02:41
XFaCE	"The latest trend in this area seems to be bringing disinformation and propaganda tactics into the fray. The latest is “open washing”. Techrights.org explains:"	Aug 25 02:42
schestowitz	I think I coined the term	Aug 25 02:42
schestowitz	but it's hard to be sure	Aug 25 02:42
schestowitz	I used it before I ever heard it, maybe others came up with it independently	Aug 25 02:42
schestowitz	ok, so he definitely has been following the site, he cites it several times... https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/openwashing-and-other-deceptions-in-linux/	Aug 25 02:43
MinceR	if free unixes die and in 2025, the FSF comes out "oh gee, we shouldn't have fallen for systemd", what will people think about the FSF and its credit?	Aug 25 02:43
XFaCE	MinceR: the problem is systemd, on paper, is free software	Aug 25 02:44
MinceR	it isn't	Aug 25 02:45
MinceR	free software is defined by the FSD	Aug 25 02:45
XFaCE	on paper :P	Aug 25 02:45
MinceR	which doesn't rely on licenses	Aug 25 02:45
XFaCE	like you see GPL and you think "it's good"	Aug 25 02:45
MinceR	the FSF pretends it's like the OSD, which only talks about what the license ought to be like	Aug 25 02:45
MinceR	and true enough, the copyright license of systemd is a free one	Aug 25 02:46
MinceR	but this doesn't mean that it respects the user's freedom	Aug 25 02:46
XFaCE	one hypothesis I have is that politics is at play	Aug 25 02:46
XFaCE	certainly when it comes to systemd, there's a level of "groupthink" dynamics visible	Aug 25 02:47
XFaCE	in many defense articles and such	Aug 25 02:47
schestowitz	MinceR: maybe they need gplv4	Aug 25 02:47
MinceR	i don't think that a license can solve all our problems	Aug 25 02:47
schestowitz	for same reason they needed gplv3 and affero	Aug 25 02:47
schestowitz	to close new loopholes	Aug 25 02:47
MinceR	i'm not sure if it can even fix the d-bus hole.	Aug 25 02:47
XFaCE	MinceR: One article tried to associate systemd detractors with misogynist behaviour	Aug 25 02:48
MinceR	trying to fix that hole would come dangerously close to limiting what other software you have installed on the same system may be licensed as	Aug 25 02:48
schestowitz	[ot] northwest uk gives the kicking to london so far :-) http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb.html	Aug 25 02:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.premierleague.com \| Barclays Premier League football news, fixtures, scores & results		Aug 25 02:48
MinceR	yeah, i've heard that SIWs are involved in the politics around systemd and debian	Aug 25 02:48
schestowitz	top 4 not london	Aug 25 02:48
XFaCE	MinceR: It smacked of the SJW/policially-correct groupthink mentality	Aug 25 02:49
MinceR	i haven't seen too much of it yet, though	Aug 25 02:49
XFaCE	MinceR: Poettering often seems to act like a professional victim	Aug 25 02:49
MinceR	indeed	Aug 25 02:49
MinceR	while lashing out at everyone who doesn't worship him and his shitty designs and code	Aug 25 02:49
XFaCE	which I don't get	Aug 25 02:50
MinceR	maybe this is the way PR works now	Aug 25 02:50
XFaCE	his init is used by major linux distros, and is by far the "de facto" linux init in some ways	Aug 25 02:50
XFaCE	yet he still whines?	Aug 25 02:50
MinceR	yeah	Aug 25 02:50
MinceR	it seems that there's a systemd thought police	Aug 25 02:50
XFaCE	it would be like if Bill Gates did an article complaining that he has critics	Aug 25 02:50
MinceR	we get them on the devuan channels too	Aug 25 02:50
MinceR	it's not enough for them that you use systemd	Aug 25 02:51
MinceR	you must also love it!	Aug 25 02:51
MinceR	crimethink is not tolerated.	Aug 25 02:51
schestowitz	yeah	Aug 25 02:51
XFaCE	MinceR: the attempt to tie it into social justice topics seems to be an obvious ploy as well	Aug 25 02:51
schestowitz	http://money.cnn.com/data/world_markets/europe/	Aug 25 02:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-money.cnn.com \| European Stock Markets - CNNMoney [ http://ur1.ca/njmr9 ]		Aug 25 02:52
MinceR	now i remember, even m$ tried to pull such a PR move earlier	Aug 25 02:52
XFaCE	which in particular?	Aug 25 02:52
MinceR	well before the whole gamergate thing	Aug 25 02:52
schestowitz	oh dear... it's collapsing again (Asia)	Aug 25 02:52
MinceR	the curse words in comments and things like that	Aug 25 02:52
schestowitz	http://money.cnn.com/data/world_markets/asia/	Aug 25 02:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-money.cnn.com \| Asian Stock Markets - CNNMoney [ http://ur1.ca/njmri ]		Aug 25 02:52
schestowitz	China down 6%	Aug 25 02:52
MinceR	my memories are vague	Aug 25 02:53
MinceR	hopefully Roy remembers it better	Aug 25 02:53
schestowitz	regarding what?	Aug 25 02:53
schestowitz	gamergate?	Aug 25 02:53
XFaCE	MinceR: fortunately in the article with the disgusting "systemd detractors and woman haters" nonsense, the author was called out	Aug 25 02:53
MinceR	no, before it	Aug 25 02:53
schestowitz	ah, that one... LOL!	Aug 25 02:54
schestowitz	I forgot who wrote that	Aug 25 02:54
schestowitz	I haven't done a single article purely about systemd	Aug 25 02:54
schestowitz	it's not to be criticised	Aug 25 02:54
MinceR	if i knew back then that it's going to matter, i would remember it now	Aug 25 02:54
schestowitz	as you know you'll get abused	Aug 25 02:54
schestowitz	like mono	Aug 25 02:54
MinceR	so you're already subject to chilling effects :>	Aug 25 02:54
XFaCE	meet the new boss, same as the old boss	Aug 25 02:55
MinceR	the systemd thought police is working	Aug 25 02:55
XFaCE	MinceR: I dread the day when Linus retires	Aug 25 02:56
XFaCE	his anti-PCness is crucial anchor	Aug 25 02:56
MinceR	indeed	Aug 25 02:56
MinceR	even now he's the only person standing in the way of the windowsification of the kernel	Aug 25 02:56
MinceR	(kdbus)	Aug 25 02:57
schestowitz	!google torvalds dick sucking contest	Aug 25 02:57
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TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Linus Torvalds to secure boot supporters: This is not a dick-sucking ... \| http://www.linuxveda.com/0201/02/02/linus-torvalds-secure-boot-supporters-not-dick-sucking-contest/	Aug 25 02:57
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Linus Torvalds Explodes at Red Hat Developer - Slashdot \| http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/02/25/1251236/linus-torvalds-explodes-at-red-hat-developer	Aug 25 02:57
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schestowitz	re UEFI	Aug 25 02:57
MinceR	and of course the red hat fan club will just circumvent him and patch kdbus into the kernel in major distros	Aug 25 02:57
MinceR	(that is, the systemd/Linux ones)	Aug 25 02:58
XFaCE	MinceR: so not android?	Aug 25 02:58
MinceR	google doesn't seem to be on the systemd bandwagon	Aug 25 02:59
MinceR	and they already have their own IPC in their kernel, binder	Aug 25 02:59
XFaCE	so we have an interesting situation	Aug 25 02:59
MinceR	i don't know what that's like	Aug 25 02:59
MinceR	i suspect i wouldn't want it on GNU/Linux either	Aug 25 02:59
XFaCE	where android source might be the key to filter out systemd as it were	Aug 25 02:59
MinceR	i hope it doesn't come to that	Aug 25 02:59
schestowitz	does google still fund mono?	Aug 25 03:00
schestowitz	Xamarin that is?	Aug 25 03:00
schestowitz	in GSOC?	Aug 25 03:00
MinceR	while android is the most unixy surviving mobile os, it's not very unixy	Aug 25 03:00
MinceR	i don't know	Aug 25 03:00
schestowitz	I didn't see evidence of that this summer	Aug 25 03:00
schestowitz	Xamarin is funded by 'former' MS money	Aug 25 03:00
schestowitz	no need for Google to dump a single dollar into this crap	Aug 25 03:00
schestowitz	helps the whole openwashing effort of dotNOT	Aug 25 03:00
XFaCE	schestowitz: Matthew Garrett eh	Aug 25 03:01
XFaCE	I haven't followed for awhile, but I recall seeing a screenshot somewhere where he answered a bunch of GG-supporters on TWitter with tweets saying "FART FART FART"	Aug 25 03:02
schestowitz	yes, he's an arse like this sometimes	Aug 25 03:03
schestowitz	last I checked his feed (I follow his blog closely, but not twitter) he seemed more like a troll, not a PHD	Aug 25 03:03
schestowitz	lots of immature jokes and insults/slang	Aug 25 03:03
schestowitz	that's his style	Aug 25 03:03
schestowitz	crude like Jo Shields	Aug 25 03:04
XFaCE	so in other words, he can't argue based on merits	Aug 25 03:04
schestowitz	the Oxbridge cult	Aug 25 03:04
schestowitz	XFaCE: he can	Aug 25 03:04
schestowitz	he's a smart person	Aug 25 03:04
schestowitz	but his style is another matter, he can curse openly sometimes	Aug 25 03:04
XFaCE	which is fine	Aug 25 03:04
XFaCE	the problem is when that is the bulk of your non-argument	Aug 25 03:04
schestowitz	he's originally a biologist IIRC	Aug 25 03:05
schestowitz	Not a programmer	Aug 25 03:05
schestowitz	born in north ireland, I think, maybe south	Aug 25 03:05
schestowitz	and varghese mocked his weight	Aug 25 03:05
MinceR	that IgnorantGuru post is great	Aug 25 03:05
schestowitz	being very thin, like the joke/streotype	Aug 25 03:05
schestowitz	Varghese himself is far	Aug 25 03:05
schestowitz	*fat	Aug 25 03:06
schestowitz	MinceR: I've just actually READ it	Aug 25 03:09
schestowitz	not the comments (yet)	Aug 25 03:09
MinceR	it didn't occur to me to read the comments	Aug 25 03:10
MinceR	i guess other sites trained me not to	Aug 25 03:10
schestowitz	yeah, but in some sites there's better quality control	Aug 25 03:10
schestowitz	like requiring registration	Aug 25 03:10
schestowitz	reduce the one-liners like "fuck you" or "this article is poo poo" (real comment, left by some lawyers who created an account just to leave this comment)	Aug 25 03:11
MinceR	:>	Aug 25 03:11
schestowitz	A friendly mistakenly deleted it	Aug 25 03:12
schestowitz	though comments never get deleted	Aug 25 03:12
schestowitz	and the lawyers posted it again	Aug 25 03:12
schestowitz	this was the first known deletion of a comment, mistake made not by me	Aug 25 03:12
schestowitz	but it was undone	Aug 25 03:12
schestowitz	youtube comments used to be worse too	Aug 25 03:12
schestowitz	before they cracked down a bit on anon comments	Aug 25 03:13
schestowitz	or untied-to-address comments	Aug 25 03:13
schestowitz	http://money.cnn.com/data/world_markets/europe/	Aug 25 03:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-money.cnn.com \| European Stock Markets - CNNMoney [ http://ur1.ca/njmr9 ]		Aug 25 03:22
schestowitz	still down in Asia	Aug 25 03:22
schestowitz	http://fx-rate.net/GBP/USD/#graph	Aug 25 03:24
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schestowitz	pound getting weaker http://fx-rate.net/GBP/EUR/#graph	Aug 25 03:25
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-NickServ-schestowitz!~roy@host86-157-135-245.range86-157.btcentralplus.com has just authenticated as you (schestowitz)		Aug 25 03:56
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MinceR	"Admittedly, the Daily Mail is such low-hanging fruit that it's practically a potato."	Aug 25 04:20
msb__	Quote from the movie Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015): "After 5 minutes on the Internet, Ultron decides to destroy the world."	Aug 25 04:25
MinceR	fair enough	Aug 25 04:26
MinceR	same with aliens and Skynet	Aug 25 04:27
schestowitz	MinceR: LOL, yes, daily fail is views as a tabloid here	Aug 25 04:33
schestowitz	selling sex, targets women, very poor journalism, long headlines, libel, etc.	Aug 25 04:34
schestowitz	See their robots.txt	Aug 25 04:34
schestowitz	many articles got blocked due to threat of legal action over libel etc. I reckon	Aug 25 04:34
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DaemonFC	I RF Rill O'Beilly • 3 minutes ago	Aug 25 09:12
DaemonFC	It's been estimated, based on the leaked data, that about 5.5% of the men in the United States had an account on Ashley Madison. There have already been some right-wing "family values" fundies exposed, and I'll bet that the funnin' is just begunnin'. ;)	Aug 25 09:12
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6505976	Aug 25 10:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Canonical Kills Desktop #Ubuntu Software Center, Focuses on Mobile Apps http://thevarguy.com/open-source-application-software-companies/082415/canonical-shifts-focus-mobile-apps-away-desktop-ubuntu-so #gnu #linux		Aug 25 10:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> thevarguy.com \| Canonical Kills Desktop Ubuntu Software Center, Focuses on Mobile Apps \| Open Source Application Software Companies content from The VAR Guy [ http://ur1.ca/njrbe ]		Aug 25 10:19
schestowitz	"Yeah, I heard a talk at a conference about Ubuntu Phone and this was the most crucial message I took home."	Aug 25 10:19
schestowitz	They kept it low-ish key	Aug 25 10:19
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507022	Aug 25 10:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: By trying to warp #MH17 story in some of the most ridiculous of ways, #kremlin ensures that nobody will ever trust any of its words again		Aug 25 10:20
schestowitz	"No one should trust any of its words, but from what I’ve seen, many will, simply because Russia is opposed to NATO."	Aug 25 10:20
schestowitz	Both are to be distrusted, but the question is, who's worse and by how much?	Aug 25 10:20
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6506042	Aug 25 10:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Nothing to do with #android (people choose weak patterns) and requires physical access anyway http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/android-lock-patterns-are-highly-predictable-could-give-people-access-to-phones-10469314.html		Aug 25 10:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.independent.co.uk \| Android lock patterns are highly predictable, could give people access to phones - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/njnhf ]		Aug 25 10:20
schestowitz	"Choose an actual password and encrypt the device, at least that is what I do."	Aug 25 10:20
schestowitz	never sure about encryption of devices that have a back door (baseband OS)	Aug 25 10:21
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Vandahmier/status/636110538515177472	Aug 25 10:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Vandahmier: RT @schestowitz #Greenland fastest-melting glacier may have just set a terrifying new record… https://t.co/liIzEhdK2e http://t.co/rUNP2GCFGS		Aug 25 10:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Greenland fastest-melting glacier may have just set a terrifying new record http://t.co/CsYoThCi15 #globalwarming		Aug 25 10:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Vandahmier: RT @schestowitz #Greenland fastest-melting glacier may have just set a terrifying new record… https://t.co/liIzEhdK2e http://t.co/rUNP2GCFGS		Aug 25 10:43
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Jetagodi/status/636112639261847552	Aug 25 10:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Jetagodi: @roarbro Then pro-Kiev thugs are trolling. Plume photographer changed story many times @loondale @masamikuramoto @CT4444 @schestowitz		Aug 25 10:59
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ft_	hello room	Aug 25 11:12
XRevan86	hello ft_	Aug 25 11:12
ft_	Am I in the right room to seek guidance on installing a particular OS on my ASUS Chromebook C300?	Aug 25 11:14
ft_	I'm having a lot of fun learning the process through trial and error but if I have to powerwash my comp again I might snap it in half.	Aug 25 11:16
ft_	I just need to know which certain supportive programs I need to install in which order to do it right so it is built to last	Aug 25 11:17
ft_	anyone's more than welcome to input info. it would be sincerely appreciated. if this is even the right forum. thanks.	Aug 25 11:18
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cubexyz	I'm too late but...	Aug 25 11:33
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cubexyz	I would have told him two things:	Aug 25 11:33
cubexyz	talk to the folks in #coreboot and	Aug 25 11:33
cubexyz	look at this web site:	Aug 25 11:33
cubexyz	http://kodi.wiki/view/Chromebox#Put_in_Developer_Mode	Aug 25 11:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kodi.wiki \| Chromebox - Kodi [ http://ur1.ca/jy4zg ]		Aug 25 11:33
cubexyz	or use crouton	Aug 25 11:34
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/pietro_nurra/status/636122834704711680	Aug 25 11:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pietro_nurra: @PaoloNurra @ArtizzuFederico la bolla Apple in implosione https://t.co/biKYsmIAPi		Aug 25 11:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Did Tim Cook Violate Regulation ... To Save AAPL Stock This Morning http://t.co/r8qSD7xFAT "lost a whopping $75 billion in market" #apple		Aug 25 11:34
schestowitz	cubexyz: crouton works OK	Aug 25 11:34
schestowitz	cubexyz: on my first chromebook I installed proper linux, not under browser	Aug 25 11:34
schestowitz	but now, on a different chromebook, crouton works better	Aug 25 11:35
cubexyz	which one(s)?	Aug 25 11:35
schestowitz	and you don't really feel like it's running under another OS	Aug 25 11:35
schestowitz	Acer 15	Aug 25 11:35
schestowitz	don't get Tegra	Aug 25 11:35
schestowitz	it doesn't support some things when you set it up from the ground up	Aug 25 11:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/636121746869850116	Aug 25 11:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: "If a 'Negro' has not been in jail, don't trust him to be your leader."—James David Manning https://t.co/q3BbA7ZkQz https://t.co/Jz7vlxZYCa		Aug 25 11:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com \| Obama is a Good House Negro - YouTube		Aug 25 11:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Not many people recall (or even know) that #obama site promising lots of things at elections got edited over time to delete/change promises		Aug 25 11:36
schestowitz	wtf	Aug 25 11:36
schestowitz	dafaq	Aug 25 11:37
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/636124632442142720	Aug 25 11:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz Happy Birthday!!		Aug 25 11:38
schestowitz	thank you, she says	Aug 25 11:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/cWCACCH9Ji	Aug 25 11:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Aug 25 11:44
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507159	Aug 25 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "proprietary software companies are known for their public affairs (lobby) large budgets." http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2423164/munich-officials-are-sick-of-linux-and-want-windows-back		Aug 25 11:51
schestowitz	"2 (two) ‘officials’ are bitching, yes…"	Aug 25 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theinquirer.net \| Munich officials are sick of Linux and want Windows back- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/njs8r ]		Aug 25 11:51
schestowitz	They - GASP - signed a letter, Microsoft sites make a huge deal out of it....	Aug 25 11:51
cubexyz	I'd be bitching the other way :)	Aug 25 11:51
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2015/08/24/sabine-pfeiler-and-otto-seidl/	Aug 25 11:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Sabine Pfeiler and Otto Seidl Should Take Note as Russia — Like China — is in the Process of Banning Microsoft Windows for Security Reasons \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/njs97 ]		Aug 25 11:52
cubexyz	I think if you have had exposure to Unix early in life, then you'll be much quicker in appreciating Linux/BSD	Aug 25 11:52
cubexyz	the trouble is we've had an entire generation of computer people who were basically forced to use windows	Aug 25 11:53
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507236	Aug 25 11:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@harryhaller@nerdpol.ch: #Microsoft Kills #Netscape Again, This Time Removing It From the #History Books \| #Techrights - http://techrights.org/2015/05/03/burning-netscape/ \| #gates thought #internet irrelevant \| via @{Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) ; schestowitz@joindiaspora.com}		Aug 25 11:53
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cubexyz	the constant ads for windows, windows in schools, windows is omnipresent	Aug 25 11:54
cubexyz	it's like brainwashing	Aug 25 11:54
schestowitz	it is, but came to become 'norm'	Aug 25 11:54
schestowitz	wouldn't be the same if other companies in other domains did it	Aug 25 11:54
schestowitz	like Coca Cola in schools	Aug 25 11:54
cubexyz	there is coca cola in some schools	Aug 25 11:55
cubexyz	via vending machines	Aug 25 11:55
schestowitz	but not enforced	Aug 25 11:55
schestowitz	nobody forced to buy it or study it	Aug 25 11:55
schestowitz	also, there's Pepsi	Aug 25 11:55
cubexyz	right, that's an important distinction	Aug 25 11:55
cubexyz	now your pepsi is a chromebook	Aug 25 11:55
cubexyz	to me windows was never the norm	Aug 25 11:56
schestowitz	things will change	Aug 25 11:57
cubexyz	compare DEC Ultrix to Windows for example	Aug 25 11:57
schestowitz	I know some schools that not welcome "Mac"-branded PCs	Aug 25 11:57
cubexyz	Ultrix was a million times better but significantly more expensive	Aug 25 11:57
cubexyz	in the late 1980s U of Waterloo had Sun 3's and Sun 4's	Aug 25 11:58
cubexyz	they weren't using windows, at least not then	Aug 25 11:58
cubexyz	Microsoft were smart in this instance, they bombarded all programmers with windows ads	Aug 25 11:59
cubexyz	but initially there wasn't this windows ecosystem	Aug 25 12:00
cubexyz	I started to see it creep up around 1990	Aug 25 12:00
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/636130433525268480	Aug 25 12:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz I dunno if IOS counts these days, all five people using them probably won't know any way.		Aug 25 12:01
schestowitz	They'll insist it's the best thing ever because it has an 'i' in it	Aug 25 12:01
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/windows-timeline.txt	Aug 25 12:02
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cubexyz	windows aped it's betters, basically it was an el cheap copy of a workstation operating system	Aug 25 12:03
cubexyz	compare the unix filesystem to the c:\ nonsense	Aug 25 12:05
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/636132117420879872	Aug 25 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz It's the basis for my I-toast, like reg toaster but more expensive, slower and less functions!		Aug 25 12:05
cubexyz	nagware, trialware, spyware, phoning home, activation, windows 'genuine advantage'...	Aug 25 12:06
cubexyz	microsoft is toast once most schools get chromebooks	Aug 25 12:09
cubexyz	once educators realize it's less of a pain to support a chromebook then a windows box...	Aug 25 12:10
cubexyz	s/then/than/	Aug 25 12:10
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507386	Aug 25 12:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #gnu #linux has new releases every 3 days or so. #windows every 3 years. Proprietary slow. http://www.maxhost.org/other/windows-timeline.txt		Aug 25 12:13
schestowitz	"no because windows 10 will be updated very often."	Aug 25 12:13
schestowitz	Without even informing users what's being done	Aug 25 12:13
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/unix-timeline.txt	Aug 25 12:13
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507159	Aug 25 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "proprietary software companies are known for their public affairs (lobby) large budgets." http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2423164/munich-officials-are-sick-of-linux-and-want-windows-back		Aug 25 12:14
schestowitz	"As alternative to what I already suggested earlier, perhaps those two should consider moving employment to a different company, where they can ‘skype’ and have admin rights on their computers! Otherwise they should just STFU."	Aug 25 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theinquirer.net \| Munich officials are sick of Linux and want Windows back- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/njs8r ]		Aug 25 12:14
schestowitz	Skype is a sky and I regretted not adding a link to my article later in the day http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Skype_is_Spy_Campaign	Aug 25 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Skype is Spy Campaign - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/9tkg0 ]		Aug 25 12:14
schestowitz	cubexyz: I linked to your timeline	Aug 25 12:14
schestowitz	so maybe you can see it in the logds	Aug 25 12:14
cubexyz	I see it :)	Aug 25 12:14
cubexyz	although I think the unix timeline is more interesting	Aug 25 12:15
schestowitz	*sky>spy	Aug 25 12:15
schestowitz	cubexyz: if you have it	Aug 25 12:15
schestowitz	there is no single unix branch	Aug 25 12:15
cubexyz	well, we can consider Bell Labs Unix v1 through v7 as the trunk	Aug 25 12:16
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/unix-timeline.txt	Aug 25 12:16
cubexyz	early Xenix was a warmed over Unix v7	Aug 25 12:17
schestowitz	Yes, they will. After years of doing stupid things they are busy porting features from Gnu\Linux to Windows. They have reached 1994. Lets see how fast they catch up.	Aug 25 12:19
schestowitz	"https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507386"	Aug 25 12:19
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507386	Aug 25 12:19
schestowitz	"Yes, they will. After years of doing stupid things they are busy porting features from Gnu\Linux to Windows. They have reached 1994. Lets see how fast they catch up."	Aug 25 12:19
schestowitz	Too lazy and arrogant to implement features. That's what monopoly leads to.	Aug 25 12:19
cubexyz	original KDE 1.0 had virtual desktops	Aug 25 12:19
schestowitz	linked now..	Aug 25 12:21
schestowitz	helpful in making a point	Aug 25 12:21
cubexyz	when you think of how many CPU cycles were burnt up doing virus/malware scans it's really not hard to find Unix better	Aug 25 12:21
schestowitz	cubexyz: not just KDE	Aug 25 12:22
schestowitz	even prior desktop envs	Aug 25 12:22
schestowitz	KDE just inherited some things in X server I think	Aug 25 12:22
schestowitz	the thing Acacia used to sue Red Hat and Novell with	Aug 25 12:22
schestowitz	Xerox patent IIRC	Aug 25 12:22
schestowitz	or some other RGB storage patent in the buffer	Aug 25 12:22
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/xlib-graphics-stack.png	Aug 25 12:23
cubexyz	I didn't see virtual desktops on CDE/Motif	Aug 25 12:23
cubexyz	maybe on old Suns, can't remember	Aug 25 12:23
cubexyz	I know the Xerox Star had overlapping windows, dialog boxes, and 1024x768 resolution	Aug 25 12:25
cubexyz	I suppose the Amiga 1000 was the first to have virtual desktops	Aug 25 12:28
cubexyz	you could drag the whole screen down and start up another workbench screen	Aug 25 12:29
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cubexyz	one can compartmentalize things further by adding vdesk to twm or some other minimal window manager:	Aug 25 12:34
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cubexyz	http://offog.org/code/vdesk/ http://offog.org/code/vdesk/ http://offog.org/code/vdesk/ http://offog.org/code/vdesk/	Aug 25 12:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-offog.org \| vdesk		Aug 25 12:35
cubexyz	oops sorry	Aug 25 12:35
cubexyz	http://offog.org/code/vdesk/	Aug 25 12:35
oiaohm	cubexyz: I think that is the first time I have seen you completely screw up a paste.	Aug 25 12:38
cubexyz	not the first :)	Aug 25 12:38
oiaohm	So I must not have been around the other times.	Aug 25 12:39
cubexyz	it happens when I'm in a terminal and it copies an extra line or two of blank space	Aug 25 12:40
cubexyz	and copies more than once... but 4 times is just beyond the pale	Aug 25 12:41
oiaohm	My worst irc paste was 40 lines. These days I use a smarter client.	Aug 25 12:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google's Android is Digging Deeper into Africa	Aug 25 12:43
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ov2DYn5FNk (www.fool.com)	Aug 25 12:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fool.com \| Google's Android is Digging Deeper into Africa -- The Motley Fool		Aug 25 12:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Updates to the sources.debian .net editor	Aug 25 12:43
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TJk8ng6Nc3	Aug 25 12:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rgeissert.blogspot.co.uk \| Raphael's blog: Updates to the sources.debian.net editor		Aug 25 12:43
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Line for Android updated with big focus on	Aug 25 12:43
TweetTuxMachines	low-cost calling http://t.co/eY7Sg7XBK1	Aug 25 12:43
TweetTuxMachines	(venturebeat.com)	Aug 25 12:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-venturebeat.com \| Line for Android updated with big focus on low-cost calling \| VentureBeat \| Mobile \| by Michael de Waal-Montgomery		Aug 25 12:43
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oiaohm	Now this is a badly placed space " Updates to the sources.debian .net editor"	Aug 25 12:44
cubexyz	I should just double click on the URL when it gets written by wall from another computer	Aug 25 12:46
cubexyz	that would probably prevent the blank lines	Aug 25 12:46
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tor-enabled Debian mirror	Aug 25 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/PbZFaIIpJP (richardhartmann.de)	Aug 25 13:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-richardhartmann.de \| Tor-enabled Debian mirror		Aug 25 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Even though Debian has moved to systemd as	Aug 25 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	default a long while ago now, I've stayed with	Aug 25 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	sysv" http://t.co/rWO1PkY8wW (k1024.org)	Aug 25 13:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-k1024.org \| Finally, systemd!		Aug 25 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Debian http://t.co/ChGo1zHXtR	Aug 25 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 25 13:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Debian \| Tux Machines		Aug 25 13:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Should You Root Your Android Phone?	Aug 25 13:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/KnMiV129X6 (www.tomsguide.com)	Aug 25 13:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomsguide.com \| Should You Root Your Android Phone? -		Aug 25 13:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines “time has come for us, Linux users, to party”	Aug 25 13:14
TweetTuxMachines	Linux anniversary http://t.co/sUzEFYG9u5	Aug 25 13:14
TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com) Rianne’s yesterday	Aug 25 13:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Linux Turns 24, Happy Birthday! - Softpedia		Aug 25 13:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TDxzDlJIBj (schestowitz.com)	Aug 25 13:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com \| Rianne's 37th Birthday		Aug 25 13:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines IoT server is loaded with Linux “Candi”	Aug 25 13:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ZgurzsLK4v (linuxgizmos.com)	Aug 25 13:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| IoT server is loaded with Linux "Candi" · LinuxGizmos.com		Aug 25 13:14
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenELEC 6.0 Beta 4 released	Aug 25 13:18
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/F80oYdzD0H (openelec.tv)	Aug 25 13:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-openelec.tv \| OpenELEC Mediacenter - [Beta] OpenELEC 6.0 Beta 4 released		Aug 25 13:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mageia 5 - So Much Better Than Last Time	Aug 25 13:18
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kEX8C8T60a	Aug 25 13:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.everydaylinuxuser.com \| Mageia 5 - So Much Better Than Last Time « Everyday Linux User		Aug 25 13:18
TweetTuxMachines	(www.everydaylinuxuser.com)	Aug 25 13:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 Needs Some Awesome Wallpapers from	Aug 25 13:18
TweetTuxMachines	Talented Artists, Contribute Now	Aug 25 13:18
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kgKcs3z5cL (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 25 13:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu 15.10 Needs Some Awesome Wallpapers from Talented Artists, Contribute Now - Softpedia		Aug 25 13:18
TweetTuxMachines	@MFPitalia Leggi #MFPitalia magazine	Aug 25 13:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/JDZCPdlAK9 (paper.li) Grazie a	Aug 25 13:26
TweetTuxMachines	@poore27 @Atomodetalio @tuxmachines	Aug 25 13:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li \| Money Free Party Italia		Aug 25 13:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Introducing MrRobot, Ubuntu Touch App Enabled	Aug 25 13:26
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cubexyz	evidently vtwm had virtual desktops back in 1990	Aug 25 13:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "To wrap up the KDE Incubator success stories,	Aug 25 14:16
TweetTuxMachines	here's a bit from the Kdenlive folks."	Aug 25 14:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linus Torvalds: Security is never going to be	Aug 25 14:16
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cubexyz	vdesk is only 10K :)	Aug 25 14:19
cubexyz	just a few xlib calls really	Aug 25 14:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The open source movement needs folk songs	Aug 25 14:21
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hojuruku	hi guys is anyone here i have a few very funny dmca takedowns to talk about... someone is trying to copyright their own death threats on social media	Aug 25 14:49
oiaohm	hojuruku: depends on country. Australian law by default you have the copyright.	Aug 25 15:00
oiaohm	hojuruku: I guess by the way you are talking USA law you don't.	Aug 25 15:00
hojuruku	DMCA comes under US law right?	Aug 25 15:00
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cubexyz	yes DMCA is United States copyright law	Aug 25 15:02
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cubexyz	only the copyright holder can file a DMCA notice	Aug 25 15:04
oiaohm	cubexyz: DMCA in the USA does have extentions based on treaties.	Aug 25 15:04
cubexyz	oiaohm, copyright itself has turned into a massive overreach	Aug 25 15:05
cubexyz	what was the original length, 14 years?	Aug 25 15:06
cubexyz	and what is it now? infinity minus one day?	Aug 25 15:06
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cubexyz	in Canada we have a somewhat saner copyright duration	Aug 25 15:08
cubexyz	50 years from publication or 75 years from creation	Aug 25 15:08
cubexyz	still probably too long	Aug 25 15:09
hojuruku	https://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/gay-dads-baby-rape-victims-photo-used-on-gay-activists-blog?replies=1	Aug 25 15:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.forums.wordpress.com \| Gay Dads' Baby Rape Victim's photo used on Gay activists blog.... « WordPress.com Forums [ http://ur1.ca/njueh ]		Aug 25 15:09
hojuruku	wordpress approves of uncensored photo's of rape victims used on gay activists blogs, but when you use the same photo to critize the queers using rape victims, your blog gets shut down for "child porn"	Aug 25 15:09
hojuruku	using rape victims as a poster boy for the legalization of sodomy, gay parenting and gay marriage in Singapore... and the #1 gay activist in Singapore used the rape victim after it was known he was a rape victim and the gay dads baby rapists arrested....	Aug 25 15:10
cubexyz	U.S. is 95 years from publication and 120 years from creation	Aug 25 15:11
hojuruku	you can't copyright your own death threats!	Aug 25 15:11
hojuruku	my blog just got taken down.. but it's still in google cache.. let me yet you some links to show you what's going on	Aug 25 15:11
hojuruku	http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:RYSdPNonhnQJ:victimsofgaybullying.wordpress.com/category/uncategorized/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk - i don't know if that's the latest version	Aug 25 15:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-webcache.googleusercontent.com \| Uncategorized \| Victims of Gay Bullying [ http://ur1.ca/njufv ]		Aug 25 15:12
hojuruku	second post in the link.... shows how the DCMA is being used by those who copyright their own death threats against foreign heads of states. You must not expose gay activists threatening to kill everyone because that's their copyright death threat.	Aug 25 15:13
cubexyz	ridiculous	Aug 25 15:13
cubexyz	there are limits even with free speech	Aug 25 15:14
oiaohm	hojuruku: yes Australian law you can copyright a death threat but pubilishing a death threat is a crime.	Aug 25 15:16
cubexyz	I remember Spectrum Holobyte went after a bunch of people who wrote a version of Tetris	Aug 25 15:16
cubexyz	same thing happened with Rubik's Cube	Aug 25 15:17
cubexyz	but then the market got flooded with clone cubes	Aug 25 15:17
hojuruku	but what about if you are friends with NSW Police deputy comissioner Catherine Burn. You have the right to threaten to kill and rape as many people as you want if the police are providing protection right?	Aug 25 15:18
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hojuruku	Just like Lola Scott Catherine Burn's mentor did for Robert "Dolly" Dun Australia's most infamous gay child raping pedophile giving out P16 immunity forms. Glen McNamara wrote a book about it called Dirty Work.	Aug 25 15:19
hojuruku	Glen Did an interview on Radio NZ about that matter too. Lola got the gays selling drugs to pay for protection and their unlimited boy rape. Glen Got 60 mins to go to spain after him and kicked off the wood royal comission, but he wasn't invited to attend.	Aug 25 15:20
hojuruku	http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2278888/feature-guest-glen-mcnamara	Aug 25 15:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.radionz.co.nz \| Feature guest - Glen McNamara \| Nine To Noon, 10:10 am on 28 April 2010 \| Radio New Zealand [ http://ur1.ca/njuiz ]		Aug 25 15:20
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hojuruku	yes it's the same Glen Facing murder charges. he got set up by another corrupt cop.	Aug 25 15:21
oiaohm	hojuruku: turns out Australia law is a nasty. You cannot give out P16 immunity and have it legally hold.	Aug 25 15:25
hojuruku	it did. police corruption	Aug 25 15:26
oiaohm	Note I said legally hold.	Aug 25 15:26
hojuruku	P16's don't exist any more... but D-Notices do.. I'm the man accused of Australia's rarest crime and first domestic terrorist outlaw motorcycle gang law 60c nsw crimes act	Aug 25 15:27
hojuruku	just google the law and you'll know who you are talking to.	Aug 25 15:27
hojuruku	youtube.com/hojuruku	Aug 25 15:27
hojuruku	gay rights spokesperson for the Australian Sodomy party, ahem Greens party said only corrupt police would use that law in a press release and in Hansard. Only NSW GLLO Gay anal sex police rose to their expectations and used the law they said only corrupt police would use	Aug 25 15:28
hojuruku	so they dropped their own social justice and human rights agenda in favor for authoritian gays with guns who can accuse you of the crime of knowing they are secret gay police, and you are a vicitm of their hate crime motivated by their homosexuality	Aug 25 15:29
hojuruku	60c nsw crimes act = obtain true personal information on a law enforcement officer.	Aug 25 15:29
oiaohm	Australia not only can a person do citizen arrest but citizen prosecution is still on the books.	Aug 25 15:29
hojuruku	I speak of Lee Rhiannon MLC. The gay rights spokesperson for theGreens party.	Aug 25 15:29
hojuruku	i'm trying to get a special constable to arrest deputy comissioner of the NSW police catherine Burn head of NSW Police counter-terrorism but he hasn't got the balls.	Aug 25 15:30
hojuruku	anyway i came here to talk about the DMCA.. but Garry Burns is working with NSW GLLO Gay anal sex police and their 12 year old runaway boy kidnapping charity twenty10.org.au whilst he operates a "rent-boy" business.	Aug 25 15:31
hojuruku	https://globalfreedomofexpression.columbia.edu/cases/burns-v-sunol/ - he's offically a global enemy to free speech and i can bring him down	Aug 25 15:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-globalfreedomofexpression.columbia.edu \| Global Freedom of Expression \| Burns v. Sunol [ http://ur1.ca/njun3 ]		Aug 25 15:31
hojuruku	also his friends are talking about having sex with boys on facebook.. it's scary stuff. They put a rocking horse in their house since 2012, did all sorts of things to it like stick a banana up it's butt, then put a young boy on top of the rocking pony in their house and claimed to have sex with the boy on their FB page.	Aug 25 15:32
oiaohm	hojuruku: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_prosecution	Aug 25 15:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Private prosecution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/njune ]		Aug 25 15:32
hojuruku	NSW Police prototected gay boy papists.	Aug 25 15:32
oiaohm	hojuruku: read carefully.	Aug 25 15:32
hojuruku	oiaohm i was going to do that in 2007, but I did a FOI and I was charged with the crime of doing a FOI as a precusor to a PRIVATE PROSECUTION, listen to the interview with my dad on youtube.com/hojuruku	Aug 25 15:33
oiaohm	--A private criminal prosecution for contempt of court can be commenced against a party in Australia in the Federal Circuit Court--	Aug 25 15:33
oiaohm	Contempt of court in fact covers giving out immunity.	Aug 25 15:33
hojuruku	I did a FOI before the 60c nsw crimes act charge, Australia's rarest crime. Verify with http://tinyurl.com/60c-stats - and quote the reference # to www.bocsar.nsw.gov.au	Aug 25 15:34
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oiaohm	A deal to delay the person going before the court is legally possible.	Aug 25 15:34
oiaohm	But immunity inside Australian law is not.	Aug 25 15:34
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hojuruku	It's a crime to do a private prosecution against corrupt police, under 60C NSW Crimes Act Austrlaia's first bikie gang law that's only been used by internal affairs against police corruption whistleblowers you can be jailed for the crime of obtaining a law enforcement officers name - NO MORE!	Aug 25 15:34
oiaohm	No its not.	Aug 25 15:35
hojuruku	Garry Has also ruled it's a crime to be against gay marriage activists raping babies. The court ruled same sex child sex makes the pepetrator gay, therefore the pepetrator of same sex child sex must not be vilified. Look up "abcplugspedos" on austlii.edu.au and be taken straight to the case law for that.	Aug 25 15:35
oiaohm	As long as the private prosecution is for contempt of court.	Aug 25 15:35
hojuruku	I have the 60C NSW Crimes Act search warrant, and an arrest warrant obtained by FOI.	Aug 25 15:36
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oiaohm	Corrupt Police offices normally would not have provide correct information to the court at times hojuruku	Aug 25 15:36
MinceR	http://img.pr0gramm.com/2015/08/25/054cd4e1d28b2ebe.jpg	Aug 25 15:36
hojuruku	http://dailymotion.com/video/x2ydhbf	Aug 25 15:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymotion.com \| Garry Burns and NSW Anti-Discrimination Board do desperate act of perjury on way down. Garry will be jailed soon :) - Video Dailymotion		Aug 25 15:37
hojuruku	Also bernard gaynor has been accused of the crime of being against gay marriage activists taking off all their clothes and shoving their errect penises with a sony handicam at cock level in boys faces. The NSW Anti-Discrimination board ruled it's a hate cirme not to be tolerant of Gay Marriage activists shoving their cocks in young boys faces... I'm serious!	Aug 25 15:37
hojuruku	http://www.alor.org/Volume50/Vol50No35.htm - look for the picture of a boy having a cock shoved in his face by a gay marriage activist, court ruled you must not be against it. We all must be boylovers.net members not haters!	Aug 25 15:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.alor.org \| ALOR - Vol.50 - No.35 [ http://ur1.ca/njups ]		Aug 25 15:38
hojuruku	oiaohm - we had a police sanctioned death threat they told me was being sent away for fingerprinting, i swore that in court. Did FOI, found that "I didn't want to take the death threat any further" - false entry on public registrar and destruction of evidence	Aug 25 15:39
hojuruku	only information obtained on Snr Sargent now Detective Michelle Richie was via FOI. Charged with 60C NSW Crimes Act for obtain true personal information on a law enforcement officer NOTHING MORE AT ALL!	Aug 25 15:40
oiaohm	http://www.thenewsmanual.net/Resources/medialaw_in_australia_03.html	Aug 25 15:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenewsmanual.net \| Contempt & court reporting in Australia [ http://ur1.ca/njuqi ]		Aug 25 15:40
hojuruku	It's crime to investigate corrupt police that allow illegal immigrants seeking ZB951 Criminal Justice Stay Visasd - where POlice have the final say in Visa Issuance not immigration police over-rule immigration visas... because they will jail you with 60c	Aug 25 15:40
hojuruku	60c nsw crimes act has a 100% death in custody rate, no case law and a 100% conviction rate before my case.	Aug 25 15:41
oiaohm	hojuruku: really I am not a master law here	Aug 25 15:41
oiaohm	hojuruku: a lot of what you have said falls under contempt of court.	Aug 25 15:41
hojuruku	it's the only fully indictible offence to have special provisions in the criminal procedure act to have NO JURY ALLOWED.	Aug 25 15:41
hojuruku	the only "victims" of the crime can be police.	Aug 25 15:41
hojuruku	The greens amended the law to protect a minority of a minority of a minorty. Gay Police Spouses.	Aug 25 15:41
oiaohm	Bribes modifining, evidence.... That is all contempt of court.	Aug 25 15:41
hojuruku	The law they claimed to be against at inception.	Aug 25 15:41
hojuruku	Yeah I had dirt on them first, so then Garry Burns starts stlaking me for Catherine Burns to fabricate my first charge in exile, now I'm the criminal.... total bS i could jail 4 police before they ever had anything on me.	Aug 25 15:42
oiaohm	Australia law design is very solid. Usage of the law by the public is up to crap.	Aug 25 15:42
hojuruku	canberradeclaration.org.au	Aug 25 15:42
hojuruku	protests against the gay kiddy fuck child sex courts have began. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8PTeEOHC0w - also it's a crime to vilify a satanic cult otoaustralia.org.au - look up "legg devine" on austlii.edu.au	Aug 25 15:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Religious Freedom - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/njurq ]		Aug 25 15:43
hojuruku	Yes it is a crime to denounce child sex! See the video in the case law, most popular on my channel and see them saying that baby fuckers are homosexuals who must not be vilified. mark newtown and peter truong are serving 40 year sentences for gay dads 20 month old baby rape.	Aug 25 15:45
hojuruku	http://caselaw.nsw.gov.au/decision/558b3c8ee4b0f1d031de9eb8	Aug 25 15:45
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hojuruku	http://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/decision/558b3c8ee4b0f1d031de9eb8	Aug 25 15:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au \| Burns v Sunol - NSW Caselaw [ http://ur1.ca/njuse ]		Aug 25 15:45
hojuruku	listen to the Australian gay ABC TV kiddy sex media giggling with the baby rapists. http://archive.org/details/TwoDadsAreBetterThanOne	Aug 25 15:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.org \| Two Dads Are Better Than One: Gay Man Gets 40-Year Sentence for Molesting Boy He Adopted From Russia : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive [ http://ur1.ca/njusm ]		Aug 25 15:46
oiaohm	hojuruku: funny enough the loss of evidence of a death threat should not ever happen. Even if you don't want to track it down in case something happened in future.	Aug 25 15:46
oiaohm	hojuruku: I would say see a good law firm over that one.	Aug 25 15:46
hojuruku	if you link to http://tinyurl.com/abcplugspedos (goes to youtube.com/hojuruku's #1 video) you'll be jailed in Australia because there are comments on there critising those who anally rape babies since 20 months or orally have sex with babies since 2 weeks. You must not vilify baby sex the court has ruled. 3 judges!	Aug 25 15:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| ABC admits it "accidentally" adored child rapist boy love network member as model father - YouTube		Aug 25 15:46
hojuruku	alliance defending freedom dot org... time to call them up	Aug 25 15:47
hojuruku	i was wondering if you have any other ideas?	Aug 25 15:47
hojuruku	when wordpress found out they tried to copyright their image showing they run a rent boy business they said no under fair use :)	Aug 25 15:47
oiaohm	Really you want to take these things on you have to understand the law well.	Aug 25 15:48
oiaohm	Lot of items you can show in court that you cannot place on the interent.	Aug 25 15:48
oiaohm	hojuruku: I will tell you something super stupid. Lets say you have someone you know make a drawing of the picture. That drawing is their copyright. So they can give you permission to display it.	Aug 25 15:50
oiaohm	Yes legal loop hole around copyright.	Aug 25 15:50
hojuruku	so if a tranny zoey ter threatens to kerb stomp a jews head in half on twitter, christian activists like winteryknight.wordpress.com can't put it on his blog?	Aug 25 15:51
oiaohm	Note the .com bit.	Aug 25 15:51
hojuruku	http://winteryknight.com/2015/07/20/ben-shapiro-will-press-charges-against-transgender-zoey-tur/	Aug 25 15:51
oiaohm	That is USA hosted.	Aug 25 15:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-winteryknight.com \| Ben Shapiro will press charges against transgender Zoey Tur \| WINTERY KNIGHT [ http://ur1.ca/njuuu ]		Aug 25 15:51
oiaohm	So you have USA freedom of speach laws.	Aug 25 15:52
hojuruku	could that death threat be copyrighted too?	Aug 25 15:52
oiaohm	What are far more legally allowing.	Aug 25 15:52
hojuruku	yeah i know :P	Aug 25 15:52
oiaohm	Note if you can prove they are Australia cit and they put it on a USA site they are still screwed under Australian law.	Aug 25 15:52
oiaohm	DCMA take down notices can be used Against Australia cit for death threats.	Aug 25 15:53
oiaohm	Yes that is treaty extention to DCMA.	Aug 25 15:53
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hojuruku	jgay.. uh oh... gay stalkers are here...	Aug 25 15:57
oiaohm	hojuruku: threats against life you have to be careful repeating them on the internet. Its the inciting violence sections of law can come back and bite you.	Aug 25 15:57
jgay	oiaohm, don't feed trolls	Aug 25 15:58
hojuruku	I was just talking about gay rights activists and a global threat to free speech threatening to kill my wife baby and I. Also they say I, and my father fuck children... lovely people.	Aug 25 15:58
hojuruku	https://globalfreedomofexpression.columbia.edu/cases/burns-v-sunol/ - columbia university says garry burns is a GLOBAL THREAT to free speech.	Aug 25 15:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-globalfreedomofexpression.columbia.edu \| Global Freedom of Expression \| Burns v. Sunol [ http://ur1.ca/njun3 ]		Aug 25 15:58
jgay	my name is Joshua Gay and my IRC handle is jgay.	Aug 25 15:59
hojuruku	http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:dAfK_9NnV3gJ:https://victimsofgaybullying.wordpress.com/tag/gary-burns/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk - you can't be against gay rights activists running a rent boy business as they extort money for the nsw police charity twenty10.org.au that takes 12 year old runaway gay boys from "homophobic" christian familes?	Aug 25 16:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-webcache.googleusercontent.com \| Gary Burns \| Victims of Gay Bullying [ http://ur1.ca/njuxz ]		Aug 25 16:00
hojuruku	http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:RYSdPNonhnQJ:victimsofgaybullying.wordpress.com/category/uncategorized/+&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk or them putting up photos of a boy on a rocking poney and saying they had sex with him at the same time they try and sue your family for the crime of critising published gay marriage activists mark newtown and peter truoung raping babies?	Aug 25 16:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-webcache.googleusercontent.com \| Uncategorized \| Victims of Gay Bullying [ http://ur1.ca/njuyj ]		Aug 25 16:01
hojuruku	jgay do you support pedophilia? Because I'm an anti-pedophile activist. Just so you know....	Aug 25 16:01
MinceR	hojuruku: his name is not a reaction to what you said	Aug 25 16:02
hojuruku	oh jgay, sorry, I you are lilke Bernard Gaynor then who's being sued by Garry Burns for the crime of critising gay marriage activists showving their penises into young boys faces as they film in gay pride parades... http://bernardgaynor.com.au/facebook-says-torontos-pride-parade-breaches-community-standards/	Aug 25 16:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bernardgaynor.com.au \| Facebook says Toronto’s Pride Parade breaches community standards \| Bernard Gaynor [ http://ur1.ca/njuyu ]		Aug 25 16:02
hojuruku	no i came on here to talk about Gay Rights activists copyrighting the death threats using a DMCA to wordpress... this is the right channel for that kind of stuff right?	Aug 25 16:03
hojuruku	their i mean.	Aug 25 16:03
MinceR	it does seem to be on topic	Aug 25 16:03
hojuruku	the uncategorized link above has the details of the DMCA and exactly what they claimed, but not the 3rd DMCA trying to copyright images of their rent boy business, as that was posted as a comment.	Aug 25 16:04
oiaohm	hojuruku: you have to be aware you need lawyer sit down with you and explain "contempt of court"	Aug 25 16:05
hojuruku	Literally 3 seconds ago I just found this! my dad emailed me.. https://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/decision/55da812de4b0012d84a75507 - we lost on appeal. You must not critize gay marriage activists raping babies. That was published today!	Aug 25 16:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au \| Burns v Sunol - NSW Caselaw [ http://ur1.ca/njv03 ]		Aug 25 16:05
oiaohm	Vigilant style approces is not inside Australian law.	Aug 25 16:06
jgay	hojuruku, it would appear you are talking about DMCA take down notices. I find your comment of "uh oh ... gay stalkers are here ...", which was directed toward me, to not be at all related to the subject of DMCA take down notices. I have worked full time as a professional social activist for about a decade, and while I appreciate that there are lots of ways of being an activist, I have never found find being unapologetically rude to people for no good reas	Aug 25 16:09
jgay	on to be an effective form of activism.	Aug 25 16:09
hojuruku	jgay, i'm taking about more than that, vilification law being used to normalize pedophilia and satanism	Aug 25 16:09
hojuruku	read the case law links.	Aug 25 16:09
oiaohm	hojuruku: the problem here you have major flaw here in your logic.	Aug 25 16:10
hojuruku	you must not vilify Alister Crowley's satanic cult of gay boy rape and murder, aka otoaustralia.org.au or you will be jailed for religious vilification. search "legg devine" site austlii.edu.au	Aug 25 16:10
jgay	hojuruku, I'm talking about just one thing. You being a jerk to the people you are talking with. I'm not sure I can get past that to actually listen to the substance of other things you have to say.	Aug 25 16:10
oiaohm	Courts of Australia is the one that is ment to decide what is illegal pedophila and so on.	Aug 25 16:10
jgay	and I see no reason to afford you any good will or respect until you choose to not be a jerk to me or others.	Aug 25 16:10
oiaohm	Putting evidence in the public before prosecution in a count can make the person unable to be prosecuted hojuruku	Aug 25 16:11
hojuruku	the courts normalize pedophilia... see this.. http://www.rt.com/news/171868-australia-judge-incest-homosexuality/	Aug 25 16:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com \| Outrage as Australian judge says incest, pedophilia ‘may be accepted’ by society — RT News [ http://ur1.ca/njv22 ]		Aug 25 16:11
cubexyz	oiaohm, I just had an idea about firefox using 100% cpu	Aug 25 16:11
oiaohm	hojuruku: and he is no longer judge.	Aug 25 16:11
jgay	and so I have ignored hojuruku.	Aug 25 16:11
cubexyz	couldn't one just use a utility like cpulimit and make certain that ff doesn't use 50% cpu?	Aug 25 16:11
oiaohm	cubexyz: yep cgroup cpu limit firefox works quite well.	Aug 25 16:12
hojuruku	oiaohm - my father recused Magistrate Nancy Henessy too.. Soon that bitch will be no longer a judge. Bernard GAYnor used my research here: http://bernardgaynor.com.au/ncat-deputy-president-has-questions-to-answer/	Aug 25 16:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bernardgaynor.com.au \| NCAT Deputy President has questions to answer \| Bernard Gaynor [ http://ur1.ca/njv2r ]		Aug 25 16:12
MinceR	RT is hardly a reliable source in this matter, though	Aug 25 16:12
hojuruku	It's world news Mincer, what agency do you want the same news from?	Aug 25 16:13
oiaohm	hojuruku: please note the important side Australian law does not tollerate vilgalnity actions of any form. It is design to drop a ton of bricks on anyone who trys that.	Aug 25 16:13
MinceR	one that doesn't have trying to make such countries seem worse than they really are on its agenda (in order to try and make russia's human rights abuses look better)	Aug 25 16:14
hojuruku	yeah A FOI is a vigilianty action? It was a precursor to a private prosecution.	Aug 25 16:14
hojuruku	The Police saying doing a FOI to investigate a corrupt cop can get you charged with 60c nsw crimes act, obtain true personal information on a law enforcement officer - 5 years jail, 100% conviction rate, 100% death in custody no case law.	Aug 25 16:14
oiaohm	FOI are not to get information for private prosecution. But publishing that information before you have done private prosecution can be.	Aug 25 16:14
hojuruku	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWeotGNzBNw	Aug 25 16:15
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oiaohm	hojuruku: this is why I am saying see a lawyer.	Aug 25 16:15
hojuruku	no i didn't publish any information, I did a FOI that's it.	Aug 25 16:15
hojuruku	no lawyer has experience with 60c. there is no case law.	Aug 25 16:15
oiaohm	Even talking about a possible future case before the courts have seen it outside legal councle office can be problems.	Aug 25 16:16
MinceR	hojuruku: are you in australia?	Aug 25 16:17
oiaohm	Australia has no free speech clauses in any law.	Aug 25 16:17
oiaohm	Todo a criminal prosecution you don't require	Aug 25 16:20
hojuruku	I'm a UNHCR confirmed poltical refugee from Australia in HK BEFORE SNODEN! http://bit.ly/ausrefugee	Aug 25 16:20
oiaohm	"obtain true personal information on a law enforcement officer"	Aug 25 16:20
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hojuruku	60c nsw crimes act, google it it's a real law.	Aug 25 16:20
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oiaohm	I know 60c nsw crimes act. and its not something you have to break.	Aug 25 16:21
oiaohm	Court summons can be issues to any police officer without you needing to know their home address.	Aug 25 16:21
hojuruku	all i did was FOI an event record with evidence of a police officer of doing false entry on the public registrar and destruction of a death threated ruled by a trial judge to have come from an illegal immigrant scum trying to use corrupt police to issue a ZB951 criminal justice stay visa.	Aug 25 16:23
oiaohm	and that FOI did not give you "true personal information on a law enforcement officer"	Aug 25 16:23
hojuruku	only those who do man on man penis in other man's shit rubbing or woman on woman vagina licking can pick and choose their "OIC" or officer in charge of an investigation. Therefore the NSW GLLOs with a gay proxy have become the go-to-guys for illegal immigrants seeking a NSW Police issued visa of last resort.	Aug 25 16:24
oiaohm	Home addresses of police, mil, fireoffices those in protective custity.	Aug 25 16:24
hojuruku	Gay and Lesbian Liasion officer program, normal police too inferior to do the bidding of the elite homosexual, hence why the special gLLO gay police were created... they have them now in the UN and America too.. want to see?	Aug 25 16:24
hojuruku	i only found her home address for the dyke cop kate howe because she was my neighbour and my neighbours said she was growing drugs in her backyard, but that isn't the issue. The one that sanctioned the death threat threatening to kill my whole family had information obtained by FOI only	Aug 25 16:25
hojuruku	the police said it's a crime to do a FOI against a corrupt cop as a precursor to a private prosecution.	Aug 25 16:25
oiaohm	In fact what you are doing is illegal because it unrequired to find a police offices home address to do a private prosuction.	Aug 25 16:26
hojuruku	My father got threatened by a homosexual FOI officer that blogs about his public sex crime hans2ric@police.nsw.gov.au Richard Hanson before Garry "boylover.net" burns sued him for the crime of disrespecting published gay marriage activists & 20 month old infant rapists mark newtown and peter truong.	Aug 25 16:26
hojuruku	i didn't go looking, i went to my local coffee shop.	Aug 25 16:26
hojuruku	the dyke cop lived next door. I didn't "obtain" the information it was given.	Aug 25 16:26
oiaohm	Clark of Court in a court house is legally allowed to look a police offices address up to send out a summons for a private prosecution.	Aug 25 16:26
hojuruku	i didn't go looking... i just found it. it's not my crime of living next door to a secret woman on woman vagina suck NSW Police GLLO officer.	Aug 25 16:27
hojuruku	I can't say lesbian because my best friend is a Lesbian. He's from the isle of Lesbos in Greece. Former drummer of the Choirboys, now runs Aussie Shop Korea.	Aug 25 16:28
oiaohm	It is against the law to publish about it hojuruku	Aug 25 16:28
oiaohm	Living next to any police officer is illegal to publish about it.	Aug 25 16:28
hojuruku	Let's rename SydnerSider to mean gay child rapist, in honor of the Great Gay judge Justice Yeldham, then I'll ask you if you are a proud sydneysider.	Aug 25 16:28
oiaohm	Same with any high ranking mil officer.	Aug 25 16:28
oiaohm	This is Australian law.	Aug 25 16:28
oiaohm	We don't have free speech.	Aug 25 16:28
hojuruku	Oh but that didn't stop Garry Burns gay child sex activist telling every muslim Group where BernardGaynor.com.au lives	Aug 25 16:29
hojuruku	his speaking mate at Reclaim Australia Larry Pickering had a real muslim terror / murder plot that was stopped by the Police and Asio. It's kind of funny because in 2007 Garry Burns before he went muslim friendly wrote a letter to the Star Observer to cull all muslims below %1	Aug 25 16:29
oiaohm	Technically if he is Australian he can be taken before the courts and spend the next 5 years in jail for breach of priviacy act.	Aug 25 16:29
hojuruku	Does a Major count?	Aug 25 16:30
hojuruku	What about gay police leaking private information about myself to Garry Burns, same deal there.. 5 years jail... We have serious dirt on this guy.. anyway i got to go...	Aug 25 16:30
oiaohm	hojuruku: Lieutenant colonel or high is classed as high rank unless SAS no matter the rank they are classed as high rank. Doing anything to give away their home address is offences.	Aug 25 16:32
hojuruku	Garry Burns has corrupt gay police protection.	Aug 25 16:32
oiaohm	You are presuming.	Aug 25 16:33
hojuruku	The investigator in charge of the Sydney Siege DI Memonolo said he was a deranged psycopath in his email reply to him	Aug 25 16:33
hojuruku	Catherine Burns ordered everyone the police to apologize and respect a man who runs a gay prostitution business who sues everyone who apposes pedophilia.	Aug 25 16:33
oiaohm	Who says that all the people protecting him are gay not that some are straight bought off.	Aug 25 16:33
hojuruku	Now truthnews.com.au is being sued by otoaustralia.org.au the stanaic gay child sex cult started by the worlds most famous satanist Alister Crowley for religious vilification of Satanism and bathomet.	Aug 25 16:34
oiaohm	This is the problem hojuruku you are presuming way way too much to be legal.	Aug 25 16:34
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hojuruku	Because my father linked to a truthnews.com.au video critiziing the gay marriage activist baby rapists... so now the OTO is working with Garry to say that Truthnews.com.au is horrible for critizing baby rape.	Aug 25 16:34
oiaohm	And presuming stuff without correct evidence can get you done under Australian law.	Aug 25 16:34
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hojuruku	i wasn't in Australian jurisdiction since 2007 :P	Aug 25 16:34
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oiaohm	If you are Australian cit it does not matter where you are Australian law applies hojuruku	Aug 25 16:35
hojuruku	they think the internet is their jurisdiction, i haven't been operating under their jursdiction so all their arrest warrants for critising corrupt officers online blogged overseas is protected by the US first amendment.	Aug 25 16:35
hojuruku	so american's can be extradited for critizing Australian pedophiles too?	Aug 25 16:35
oiaohm	If they are dual cit yes.	Aug 25 16:36
hojuruku	Do you think Australia will fight for the reputation of their convicted in US courts child fuckers that hard? search "Mark J Newtown" or "Peter Truong" on bop.gov's inmate finder.. 38 years to go for those gay child fuckers.	Aug 25 16:36
oiaohm	And what they are saying is not backed by evidence or has distrupted an australian invenstagion.	Aug 25 16:36
oiaohm	In fact disruption of Australian investigation due to treaty can be used against any USA cit.	Aug 25 16:37
oiaohm	Just dual cit is simpler because USA due process can be skipped.	Aug 25 16:38
hojuruku	https://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/gay-dads-baby-rape-victims-photo-used-on-gay-activists-blog?replies=4#post-2452463	Aug 25 16:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.forums.wordpress.com \| Gay Dads' Baby Rape Victim's photo used on Gay activists blog.... « WordPress.com Forums [ http://ur1.ca/njvdz ]		Aug 25 16:40
hojuruku	WORDPRESS SUPPORTS GAY KIDDY FUCK	Aug 25 16:40
hojuruku	You must not criitze gay activists using photos of rape victims on their blogs!	Aug 25 16:40
oiaohm	To be correct using photos of victims on blogs in most countries is illegal.	Aug 25 16:40
oiaohm	This is victims of any crime.	Aug 25 16:41
oiaohm	Publishing a uncensored photo of an accused criminal is only possible 1 if they are unkown, 2 they are on the run, 3 they have been prosecuted.	Aug 25 16:44
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cubexyz	oiaohm, since limiting firefox to 50% cpu my entire system feels more responsive	Aug 25 16:46
oiaohm	hojuruku: you think about it in 18 years time do you think the rape victim will want the photo turning up. Laws exist to protect victims from stupid reporters.	Aug 25 16:47
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oiaohm	cubexyz: the thing I find interesting is debian iceweasel does not seam to have firefox I eat cpu problem.	Aug 25 16:48
cubexyz	oiaohm, iceweasel will still use 100% cpu if you let it	Aug 25 16:49
oiaohm	cubexyz: my iceweasel barely crosses 10 percent.	Aug 25 16:49
oiaohm	And that is with 60 tabs open.	Aug 25 16:49
cubexyz	which cpu?	Aug 25 16:49
oiaohm	AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 260 Processor note 10 percent when up at 2000mhz	Aug 25 16:51
cubexyz	so more than one core then	Aug 25 16:51
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oiaohm	Yep dual core.	Aug 25 16:52
oiaohm	cubexyz: I forgot you might be running some old single core beast.	Aug 25 16:52
cubexyz	oiaohm, now you're thinking :)	Aug 25 16:53
oiaohm	cubexyz: what beast are you running.	Aug 25 16:53
cubexyz	a bunch of p3's and a pentium 4	Aug 25 16:53
__martin__	again corporate press hypocrisy... drop the kernel's 24th anniversary and supplant it with some bogus win95 two decade anniv. // who dafuq gives a damn bout that (Q)DOS successor in 2k15 [quick 'n dirty operating system]	Aug 25 16:53
oiaohm	cubexyz: Ok stuff I would say here meet sledge hammer.	Aug 25 16:54
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oiaohm	cubexyz: or if I am feeling really creavite take to a mine and have a block of explosve put in drive bay.	Aug 25 16:55
oiaohm	Me and old computers are not a good combination.	Aug 25 16:56
cubexyz	oiaohm, think about trichloroethylene for a moment	Aug 25 16:56
cubexyz	or pollution caused by chip fabrication	Aug 25 16:56
cubexyz	using old computers is logical	Aug 25 16:57
oiaohm	Not exactly.	Aug 25 16:57
oiaohm	Those odd chips are not power effective.	Aug 25 16:57
cubexyz	you said it yourself, the cooler the CPU the longer the system will last	Aug 25 16:58
__martin__	also.. not that it really surprises me https://thestack.com/cloud/2015/08/20/uk-government-signs-new-deal-with-oracle/	Aug 25 16:58
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__martin__	>> will “deliver additional savings for the taxpayer.” << [sic]	Aug 25 16:59
cubexyz	it's just we've all been conditioned to want new shiny things all the time	Aug 25 16:59
cubexyz	it's bogus	Aug 25 16:59
oiaohm	cubexyz: there is a reason why I like explosve over putting in dump.	Aug 25 16:59
cubexyz	how many motherboards would you say you've used since 1990?	Aug 25 16:59
oiaohm	cubexyz: use the right explosve chemicals like trichloroethylene are processed.	Aug 25 16:59
cubexyz	ok, how about acetone, arsenic, arsine, benzene, cadium?	Aug 25 17:00
cubexyz	how about hydrochloric acid or methyl chloroform?	Aug 25 17:01
oiaohm	cubexyz: the mines I dispose of them at are gold mines.	Aug 25 17:02
oiaohm	Those other things are general on site things.	Aug 25 17:03
cubexyz	or how about just making computers more repairable and upgradeable rather than disposable	Aug 25 17:03
oiaohm	Yes I would like to see more repairable.	Aug 25 17:03
oiaohm	But even repairable you still have to have good disposal path for broken like I do.	Aug 25 17:04
oiaohm	__martin__: still does not stop UK Met going forwards with migration to Postgresql.	Aug 25 17:04
cubexyz	I was thinking about the manufacturing process more than the disposal process	Aug 25 17:05
oiaohm	__martin__: also that Oracle deal does not say what Oracle database. Remember mysql is Oracle product.	Aug 25 17:05
cubexyz	oiaohm, you still wouldn't want those chemicals in your watertable	Aug 25 17:06
oiaohm	Gold mines have cyinde pits. cubexyz	Aug 25 17:06
cubexyz	cyanide?	Aug 25 17:07
cubexyz	I'd say gold mining is a huge polluter all by itself	Aug 25 17:07
oiaohm	Yep cyanide as it one of the few chemical that can disolve gold.	Aug 25 17:07
cubexyz	open-pit mining and cyanide heap leaching	Aug 25 17:08
oiaohm	Again it depends on the country.	Aug 25 17:08
oiaohm	Australian regulations for gold mines is quite strict.	Aug 25 17:09
oiaohm	Funny thing when you say gold mine most people think they only mine gold.	Aug 25 17:10
cubexyz	I've heard open pit mining creates 20 tons of toxic waste for every 0.333 ounces of gold	Aug 25 17:10
oiaohm	Not exactly true.	Aug 25 17:10
oiaohm	There are recycing processors that you use the same ton of toxic material over and over again.	Aug 25 17:11
cubexyz	you don't want Battlefield Earth to happen in real life :)	Aug 25 17:11
oiaohm	http://www.industry.gov.au/resource/Documents/LPSDP/LPSDP-CyanideHandbook.pdf	Aug 25 17:12
oiaohm	Yes there is a offical mandated process in Australia cubexyz	Aug 25 17:12
oiaohm	So we don't have the 20 tons to give 333 ounces of gold.	Aug 25 17:12
oiaohm	Its more like 1 ton of waste to 400 tons of gold.	Aug 25 17:13
oiaohm	Of toxic waste.	Aug 25 17:13
cubexyz	400 tons of gold? :)	Aug 25 17:13
cubexyz	that would be pretty efficient	Aug 25 17:14
oiaohm	There have been some very rich vanes of gold and the toxic waste product from gold mining has been moved from mine to mine to mine.	Aug 25 17:14
cubexyz	too bad we don't have fusion capability	Aug 25 17:14
oiaohm	So some gold mine in Australia are using 120 year old cyanide.	Aug 25 17:15
cubexyz	I just don't understand the resistance to making a computer last a long time	Aug 25 17:15
cubexyz	at the very least, I'm conserving materials	Aug 25 17:15
oiaohm	So recycling in gold extraction is not a new process cubexyz	Aug 25 17:16
cubexyz	what percentage of computers do you figure get recycled?	Aug 25 17:16
hojuruku	https://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/gay-dads-baby-rape-victims-photo-used-on-gay-activists-blog?replies=14#post-2452498	Aug 25 17:16
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oiaohm	cubexyz: Less than 10 percent properly.	Aug 25 17:16
hojuruku	wordpress says you can't report photos of rape victims identifying gay dads baby rape victims kids photos if famous gay activists are using rape victims as poster boys for gay marriage...	Aug 25 17:16
oiaohm	cubexyz: I did have the stats somewhere on the percentage of comptuer properly recycled.	Aug 25 17:20
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://ifixit.org/blog/4662/snapshot-of-worldwide-electronics-recycling-2013/ here from 2013.	Aug 25 17:21
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oiaohm	cubexyz: the calculated guess for world wide from 2013 is only 10 percent and that super dreadful.	Aug 25 17:22
oiaohm	cubexyz: all the toxic metals in a computer really should be recycled.	Aug 25 17:22
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msb__	Damn! hojuruku has gone. I wanted to ask him why he wanted to identify this "baby-raper" as being a "gay activist". What does one have to do with the other?	Aug 25 17:33
msb__	From all his repetition here it seems that he does dislike gay people.	Aug 25 17:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SteamOS Brewmaster 2.30 Brings a New Linux	Aug 25 17:42
TweetTuxMachines	Kernel and Autorepair Service	Aug 25 17:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why systemd Linux containers make sense	Aug 25 17:42
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/XZ9FbwFzmr	Aug 25 17:42
TweetTuxMachines	(searchservervirtualization.techtarget.com)	Aug 25 17:42
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*cubexyz groans		Aug 25 17:51
cubexyz	not more systemd talk	Aug 25 17:51
cubexyz	who will free me from this turbulent systemd?	Aug 25 17:52
MinceR	dunno	Aug 25 17:52
MinceR	most likely it will take an entire community	Aug 25 17:52
cubexyz	I was going to tell oiaohm that 43% of the world's gold is used in electronics	Aug 25 17:54
cubexyz	you also need hydrochloric acid to remove the gold from electronics	Aug 25 17:55
cubexyz	hence more pollution	Aug 25 17:55
msb__	Is hydrochloric acid really a pollutant? Neither element is particularly toxic.	Aug 25 17:56
cubexyz	msb__, highly corrosive	Aug 25 17:57
cubexyz	you don't want that in the watertable	Aug 25 17:57
msb__	Until it's diluted. Like in your _stomach_.	Aug 25 17:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Dying Light Crashes on Linux After Latest	Aug 25 17:58
TweetTuxMachines	Patch, Here's the Solution	Aug 25 17:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/0H6bCpSYa3 (linux.softpedia.com)	Aug 25 17:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How Linux was born, as told by Linus Torvalds	Aug 25 17:58
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cubexyz	except we're talking about stuff like the animals who drink the water	Aug 25 17:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Feral Interactive Buys More AMD Hardware to	Aug 25 17:58
TweetTuxMachines	Optimize Linux Games http://t.co/MxGnGU5dfm	Aug 25 17:58
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cubexyz	so aquatic organisms would be harmed by it or killed	Aug 25 17:59
msb__	You could dump it in the ocean, which is already full of hydrogen and chloride ions.	Aug 25 17:59
cubexyz	dermal contact would be nasty also	Aug 25 18:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LinuxCon 2015 in Seattle: It's all about the	Aug 25 18:00
TweetTuxMachines	servers http://t.co/SrWu31vcea	Aug 25 18:00
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msb__	Until it's diluted!	Aug 25 18:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How Linux was born, as told by Linus Torvalds	Aug 25 18:00
TweetTuxMachines	himself http://t.co/pKgHxKv9eT	Aug 25 18:00
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msb__	There are lots of really toxic industrial byproducts, but I don't think HCl is one of them.	Aug 25 18:01
msb__	cubexyz: As to using old computers, I think the thing to do is about every 8 years buy (build) a new one of the inexpensive state-of-the-art. That way you can view current and future media formats, and use current and future software. And since it's only once every 8 years, you're only putting out a small amount of waste yearly.	Aug 25 18:16
msb__	Compared to fools who buy a new machine every 2 or 3 years to keep up with MS-Windows horrors, you're down in the noise.	Aug 25 18:17
cubexyz	msb__, sounds reasonable	Aug 25 18:22
cubexyz	although I've gone rather beyond 8 years	Aug 25 18:22
msb__	cubexyz: Have you ever thought about collecting discarded computers from businesses that are buying new ones, putting Linux on them and giving them to kids (or schools)?	Aug 25 18:22
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6505976	Aug 25 18:23
schestowitz	"USC is very bad to use and this is a great fail for canonical because they push it as they try to make money by adding paid content but the took bad decisions. In USC you have to choose content one by one and install them one by one, this is stupid you can’t have a basket to put things and install or download at once like previous application center this way is more commercial, then they shutdown ubuntu one, they released buggy unfinished	Aug 25 18:23
schestowitz	ubuntu phone os with no software for ubuntu. But i’m still using xubuntu."	Aug 25 18:23
cubexyz	I'm not sure schools even want p3's	Aug 25 18:23
cubexyz	but I could be wrong	Aug 25 18:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Canonical Kills Desktop #Ubuntu Software Center, Focuses on Mobile Apps http://thevarguy.com/open-source-application-software-companies/082415/canonical-shifts-focus-mobile-apps-away-desktop-ubuntu-so #gnu #linux		Aug 25 18:23
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cubexyz	I did some experiments with 486's and linux	Aug 25 18:24
msb__	I'll bet kids who don't have any computer would want one. Especially with lots of good free software on it.	Aug 25 18:24
cubexyz	a lot of people who visit my lab are curious about my amiga	Aug 25 18:25
msb__	That's a professional-quality machine!	Aug 25 18:25
cubexyz	it's got a 30 year old CRT that works :)	Aug 25 18:26
cubexyz	the very first model	Aug 25 18:26
cubexyz	but I'm one of the few who appreciates the older computers	Aug 25 18:27
cubexyz	a kid today wouldn't want to use a TRS-80 or a C64	Aug 25 18:27
msb__	I'm on my second flat-screen now.	Aug 25 18:27
cubexyz	my oldest LCD is 13 years old	Aug 25 18:28
cubexyz	wait, no that's wrong	Aug 25 18:28
cubexyz	I've got an LCD watch from the 1980s	Aug 25 18:28
cubexyz	some VFD's from the 1980s also	Aug 25 18:29
cubexyz	EIZO Flexscan LCD was 1998	Aug 25 18:30
cubexyz	that's the oldest LCD monitor I know of	Aug 25 18:30
msb__	There are lots of kids living barely above homelessness level. And there will be more. I'll bet some of them would use a trs80 or c64 if it works with their tv and they could program it in basic.	Aug 25 18:31
cubexyz	eused in Toronto is selling P4's with Ubuntu for $20	Aug 25 18:32
cubexyz	yeah I know of some folks who don't have internet access	Aug 25 18:32
msb__	$20 is great!	Aug 25 18:33
cubexyz	Lenovo duo core PC for $59	Aug 25 18:33
msb__	Just the experience of writing code in basic, and seeing it make a spiral on the screen, is amazing!	Aug 25 18:33
msb__	$59 new?	Aug 25 18:34
cubexyz	probably used	Aug 25 18:34
cubexyz	the store is called eused after all	Aug 25 18:34
cubexyz	it's mind boggling what gets tossed out	Aug 25 18:35
msb__	So I guess they're making a little money at it - great!	Aug 25 18:35
msb__	And the parts are so standardized that you can probably make two good ones from every three junkers.	Aug 25 18:36
cubexyz	they sell used digital cameras too	Aug 25 18:36
cubexyz	even the used store doesn't sell P3's lol	Aug 25 18:37
msb__	Getting kids into Linux -- that's a great social good!	Aug 25 18:38
cubexyz	there's definitely more of that now	Aug 25 18:39
cubexyz	I remember in the late 1980s early 1990s there were a few Xenix hobbyists	Aug 25 18:39
cubexyz	oh yeah they also had laptops for $59	Aug 25 18:40
msb__	1. giving them a good opportunity to exercise their minds 2. introducing them to technology 3. Getting them into the Linux / FOSS culture.	Aug 25 18:40
cubexyz	younger folks seem more into Android than straight linux	Aug 25 18:41
msb__	They could run wires out the windows and share a single $20/month net connection among several families.	Aug 25 18:41
cubexyz	there are mesh networks	Aug 25 18:42
msb__	Yep!	Aug 25 18:42
msb__	Not just for poor African villages anymore!	Aug 25 18:42
cubexyz	even mesh netowrks using solar power	Aug 25 18:43
msb__	They're into android because of cellphones. Give them a Linux computer that they can program in C, BASIC, bash, etc., and they can do a lot more.	Aug 25 18:45
msb__	Python, Ruby, ...	Aug 25 18:45
cubexyz	I gave mwm a new look with antialiased fonts	Aug 25 18:46
msb__	Computers don't use much electricity, so just plug them into the wall socket. That way they can use them at night.	Aug 25 18:46
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/mwm-with-antialiased-fonts.png	Aug 25 18:46
cubexyz	except for xterm at least	Aug 25 18:47
cubexyz	of course some history is in order	Aug 25 18:48
cubexyz	the evolution of the shell itself is interesting	Aug 25 18:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How Linux was born, as told by Linus Torvalds	Aug 25 18:48
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by himself http://t.co/dHepGlVKpg	Aug 25 18:48
TweetTuxMachines	@OpenSourceUG (arstechnica.co.uk) http://t.co/D9yGUdcEeu	Aug 25 18:48
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msb__	cubexyz: Nice desktop!	Aug 25 18:49
cubexyz	ha, thanks	Aug 25 18:49
msb__	I save all these files you put out. Have about 45 of them.	Aug 25 18:50
msb__	They'll be worth money some day!	Aug 25 18:50
cubexyz	one can combine mwm with vdesk and ta da, it has virtual desktop ability	Aug 25 18:50
cubexyz	in fact vdesk only works right with window managers that don't have virtual desktops	Aug 25 18:51
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cubexyz	I thought this one was good for a chuckle:	Aug 25 18:52
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/mwm-desktop-of-the-future.png	Aug 25 18:52
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/new-desktop-better-than-windows-10.png	Aug 25 18:53
msb__	Still needs the steering-wheel, but very nice.	Aug 25 18:54
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msb__	http://cosmicpenguin.com/images/pc_of_future.jpg	Aug 25 18:54
cubexyz	that's about how old the typical Fortran programmer is now :)	Aug 25 18:55
msb__	A smart kid would love a computer that can put up that desktop!	Aug 25 18:56
msb__	No distracting bling, just the real deal!	Aug 25 18:57
cubexyz	with teletype and Fortran language the computer will be easy to use :)	Aug 25 18:57
cubexyz	fortunately my computer is a little more modern than that	Aug 25 18:58
msb__	Shit, my first fortran programming was with a card punch.	Aug 25 18:58
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/new-york-1999.jpg	Aug 25 19:03
msb__	You could put 60 books on programming and Unix in pdf and chm form on the kid's computer for free. I have them all, but they're probably still in bt.	Aug 25 19:03
MinceR	> quick question, systemd is suppose to be fast, right? I just did a fresh install of deb8.1 on a machine (my first time using systemd) and it's	Aug 25 19:03
MinceR	taking longer than 5 minutes to reboot o.O	Aug 25 19:03
MinceR	so fast!	Aug 25 19:03
cubexyz	MinceR, do I look like a systemd person?	Aug 25 19:04
cubexyz	now really	Aug 25 19:04
XRevan86	MinceR: Tell him to do systemd-analyze plot > plot.svg	Aug 25 19:04
MinceR	cubexyz: no	Aug 25 19:04
XRevan86	That will get an SVG with boot process so one can look what makes it boot longer.	Aug 25 19:05
msb__	cubexyz: NYC - cute!	Aug 25 19:05
msb__	One reason I like the movie Working Girl so much is it shows the WTC about five different times.	Aug 25 19:06
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/simple-programming-examples-v5.txt	Aug 25 19:06
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cubexyz	I do v5, not systemd :)	Aug 25 19:07
cubexyz	I'm like the opposite of a systemd guy	Aug 25 19:07
msb__	good stuff!	Aug 25 19:07
cubexyz	you want hangman for v5? :)	Aug 25 19:08
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/hangman-v5.c	Aug 25 19:08
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/636230420758163456	Aug 25 19:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MJoyce2244: @MikaPeltokorpi yep and damage to #MH17 entirely consistent with Snizhne launch. @masamikuramoto @roarbro @loondale @CT4444 @schestowitz		Aug 25 19:09
cubexyz	msb__, I think one of the big different differences between the folks today and the old unix people is that they _had_ to hack to get anything done	Aug 25 19:10
msb__	No thanks. I wrote a nice Tetris for pcdos and used to play that a lot. I should do it for Linux as my first graphic program.	Aug 25 19:11
msb__	Anything you think of now, somebody has already done it.	Aug 25 19:11
XRevan86	There are a lot of things nobody had done already :(	Aug 25 19:13
msb__	I mean in software.	Aug 25 19:13
MinceR	yeah, i have yet to find a free rss/atom reader that can deal with a _large_ amount of feed items in its database	Aug 25 19:14
MinceR	everyone just makes an inefficient sql db, adds functionality to delete old items and calls it a day	Aug 25 19:14
XRevan86	msb__: In software.	Aug 25 19:14
MinceR	there's also no web browser that avoids web bloat but warns the user that unsupported content exists in the page	Aug 25 19:14
cubexyz	a lot of stuff exists in closed source form	Aug 25 19:15
MinceR	(so you can check it in a more bloated browser if you're missing out on something)	Aug 25 19:15
cubexyz	cpulimit --limit-50 --exe=firefox	Aug 25 19:16
cubexyz	that helped me a lot	Aug 25 19:16
XRevan86	http://boingboing.net/2015/08/10/windows-10.html	Aug 25 19:16
XRevan86	You hate your children? Windows 10 is exactly for you! (we hate your children too)	Aug 25 19:17
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cubexyz	creepy	Aug 25 19:17
msb__	OK, if I want to port my PCDOS C code for Tetris to Linux, what should I use (to run in X). qt uses C++, which I hate. GTK?	Aug 25 19:18
cubexyz	but you could always check the history	Aug 25 19:18
cubexyz	msb__, SDL maybe since it's a game you want fast	Aug 25 19:18
cubexyz	the Loki folks started that	Aug 25 19:19
msb__	Please give a link. There are 6 SDLs in wiki.	Aug 25 19:19
cubexyz	http://www.libsdl.org	Aug 25 19:20
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XRevan86	msb__: Still use C++/Qt.	Aug 25 19:21
XRevan86	Qt: so good even Linus chooses it.	Aug 25 19:22
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cubexyz	ksirtet	Aug 25 19:23
cubexyz	it's been done	Aug 25 19:23
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MinceR	windows stasi edition	Aug 25 19:24
XRevan86	(Linus is a C++ hater)	Aug 25 19:24
cubexyz	you can still program in straight C for QT I think	Aug 25 19:24
msb__	cubexyz: Thanks but that SDL might be overkill. My tetris was plenty fast on my 8088 pc.	Aug 25 19:24
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msb__	I want it to run in an X window, and be a simple port.	Aug 25 19:25
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msb__	Is gtk difficult to use?	Aug 25 19:26
cubexyz	not really	Aug 25 19:26
XRevan86	cubexyz: With libfm probably	Aug 25 19:26
msb__	libfm?	Aug 25 19:27
MinceR	linus also chose fedora with systemd	Aug 25 19:27
MinceR	so not a good source as such	Aug 25 19:27
XRevan86	and a MacBook…	Aug 25 19:27
XRevan86	Still, he hates C++.	Aug 25 19:27
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XRevan86	and tried to write on Gtk	Aug 25 19:28
cubexyz	msb__, you could look at the source code for ksirtet since you like KDE3	Aug 25 19:28
cubexyz	get you started anyway	Aug 25 19:28
XRevan86	cubexyz: Yeah, library of pcmanfm	Aug 25 19:28
MinceR	hating c++ is also not an indication of good taste	Aug 25 19:28
msb__	what is pcmanfm?	Aug 25 19:28
XRevan86	https://github.com/lxde/libfm	Aug 25 19:28
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cubexyz	file manager	Aug 25 19:28
MinceR	but at least he tries to keep the garbage out of the kernel	Aug 25 19:28
XRevan86	MinceR: He managed to choose C++/Qt anyway, because Gtk sucks.	Aug 25 19:29
cubexyz	what's wrong with GTK?	Aug 25 19:29
cubexyz	it couldn't suck that much if firefox uses it	Aug 25 19:29
msb__	I already wrote my own tetris in c for pcdos. I want to adapt that.	Aug 25 19:29
MinceR	GTK is controlled by gnome people	Aug 25 19:29
XRevan86	cubexyz: Unresponsive developers.	Aug 25 19:30
MinceR	they've added CSD support it and are apparently trying to remove gimp support	Aug 25 19:30
msb__	Could they put a curse on me?	Aug 25 19:30
XRevan86	GNOME developers	Aug 25 19:30
MinceR	granted, even Qt has CSD support	Aug 25 19:30
msb__	confederate states of dixie?	Aug 25 19:30
MinceR	client-side decorations	Aug 25 19:30
MinceR	one of the design flaws that makes windows a total pain in the ass to use	Aug 25 19:31
MinceR	naturally, it had to be adopted in wayland	Aug 25 19:31
cubexyz	msb__, I was just thinking it might be interesting to look at some of the KDE games	Aug 25 19:31
cubexyz	just to get one started with KDE programming	Aug 25 19:32
XRevan86	People say C++ is ugly but C++/Qt is so much simpler and prettier than C/Gtk is.	Aug 25 19:32
MinceR	people who don't understand c++ and are therefore scared of it say it is ugly	Aug 25 19:32
MinceR	and then they go on and try to do OOP in c, resulting in a disaster	Aug 25 19:32
cubexyz	some of the C++ stuff is a mess though	Aug 25 19:33
cubexyz	if you've ever had the chance to look at some of the commercial games source code	Aug 25 19:33
cubexyz	some of the standard template library wasn't at all portable	Aug 25 19:34
msb__	29KB of C code, full of carriage-returns. And it uses qsort, apparently to sort scores. I don't remember it even having scores.	Aug 25 19:41
cubexyz	some of the KDE games were fun though	Aug 25 19:41
cubexyz	msb__, dare I ask which compiler?	Aug 25 19:41
msb__	ms or borland, I forget	Aug 25 19:42
cubexyz	KDE folks had a habit of spelling things backwards	Aug 25 19:42
msb__	I remember that with MS C you had to turn off all optimizations. Otherwise it would do things like gratuitously dividing by zero.	Aug 25 19:45
schestowitz	jgay: sorry about that troll earlier, these are rare but used to be common about 7 years ago	Aug 25 19:48
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jgay	schestowitz no worries, nothing that a simple block on a user can't fix for me :-)	Aug 25 20:18
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DaemonFC	Hmmm. Stocks are still taking a beating.	Aug 25 21:04
DaemonFC	There was a rally this morning that brought the Dow from 15,882 to 16,312, but then there was another massive sell-off that brought it down to 15,651. Right after a bunch of news articles about the rally ending the three day beating.	Aug 25 21:05
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/636283334633631745	Aug 25 22:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz Never understood why Jim does what he does. First met him at ApacheCon in London 2000.		Aug 25 22:10
schestowitz	Zemlin	Aug 25 22:10
schestowitz	yes, he also invited Ramji (Microsoft mole)	Aug 25 22:10
schestowitz	My best guess is, members that are close to Microsoft (SUSE, Nokia, Intel) encourage him to do this	Aug 25 22:10
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msb__	firefox has quit responding. The windows won't redraw. Is there some signal I can send to it?	Aug 25 22:22
MinceR	SIGTERM, SIGHUP, SIGINT, SIGQUIT, SIGKILL	Aug 25 22:23
msb__	which of those will refresh it?	Aug 25 22:23
MinceR	neither	Aug 25 22:27
MinceR	i think it's frozen	Aug 25 22:27
msb__	thanks	Aug 25 22:28
MinceR	np	Aug 25 22:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Message to LinuxCon Regarding Microsoft	Aug 25 22:34
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/ZY5vGjTOCn	Aug 25 22:34
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Aligning Democratic Candidates with Open Source	Aug 25 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	Software OSes http://t.co/lxmDcqLeZA	Aug 25 22:34
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Astro Pi Is the Name of the Raspberry Pi 2	Aug 25 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	That's Going to Space http://t.co/kdKv2uTXyx	Aug 25 22:34
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23 Alpha For AArch64/POWER	Aug 25 22:34
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Viewing LibreOffice Documents In GNOME Will	Aug 25 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	Soon Be A Better Experience	Aug 25 22:34
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/6RL5UIO0xk	Aug 25 22:42
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schestowitz	[22:22] <msb__> firefox has quit responding. The windows won't redraw. Is there some signal I can send to it?	Aug 25 22:46
schestowitz	I have the same issues sometimes	Aug 25 22:46
schestowitz	very annoying if work is lost in the process	Aug 25 22:46
schestowitz	chromium divides tab to different processes	Aug 25 22:47
schestowitz	so collateral damage (one tab messing up all the others) less likely	Aug 25 22:47
msb__	firefox always restores all its windows and tabs, so nothing is lost	Aug 25 22:47
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schestowitz	Firefox now wants to mimic this model	Aug 25 22:47
msb__	but this just started happening.	Aug 25 22:47
msb__	maybe I should reboot	Aug 25 22:47
schestowitz	maybe a new plugin added recently	Aug 25 22:47
msb__	But that is shameful for a Linux user.	Aug 25 22:48
schestowitz	[22:47] <msb__> maybe I should reboot	Aug 25 22:48
schestowitz	Ah, you're on Windows :-p	Aug 25 22:48
msb__	NEVER!!!	Aug 25 22:48
DaemonFC	I never had as much trouble running older Windows games on Wine as I've had running them on Windows 10.	Aug 25 22:48
DaemonFC	The graphics drivers for Windows 10 so far have been utter crap.	Aug 25 22:48
schestowitz	MS staff told me the same	Aug 25 22:49
schestowitz	the GPU makers are wise	Aug 25 22:49
schestowitz	they know vista 10 is not a priority	Aug 25 22:49
DaemonFC	You can't install drivers for Windows 7 or 8 to stabilize things for the time being, because Microsoft foists Windows 10 drivers on you through Windows Update.	Aug 25 22:49
schestowitz	not many people adopt it at all, same as vista 8(.1)	Aug 25 22:49
DaemonFC	Most of the growth of Windows 10 seems to be at the expense of 8/8.1.	Aug 25 22:50
schestowitz	hmmm.. kde with plasma 5.4 not yet in kubuntu ppas	Aug 25 22:50
schestowitz	just checked, it hasn't been backported to 15.04	Aug 25 22:50
schestowitz	not yet anyway	Aug 25 22:50
schestowitz	plasma 5 is a mess	Aug 25 22:50
schestowitz	and maybe systemd contributes to that	Aug 25 22:50
DaemonFC	I doubt it.	Aug 25 22:51
schestowitz	memory leaks and bugs	Aug 25 22:51
DaemonFC	systemd support was added to the later KDE 4 releases and it worked fine.	Aug 25 22:51
msb__	That's what they want you to think.	Aug 25 22:51
DaemonFC	Many problems are in these new display managers.	Aug 25 22:51
msb__	I think systemd and kde4/plasma are secretly working together to sabotage Linux.	Aug 25 22:52
DaemonFC	They rewrite them and then act so surprised that the new ones become as fat as the old ones, with more bugs of course, because they're new code.	Aug 25 22:52
msb__	MinceR thinks Putin is conniving with them, but I'm not so sure.	Aug 25 22:52
DaemonFC	The goal of the rewrite was supposed to be to cut out bloat, but then everyone wants the same features, so it's obvious to everyone but the people developing things like LightDM where this is going.	Aug 25 22:53
MinceR	i don't remember saying putin is conniving with systemd people	Aug 25 22:54
msb__	Star Trek Renegades is so good! I'm watching it again.	Aug 25 22:54
msb__	MinceR: No, but you thought it.	Aug 25 22:54
MinceR	pretty sure i didn't	Aug 25 22:54
msb__	I'm just yanking your chain.	Aug 25 22:55
DaemonFC	I haven't really had any problems with systemd.	Aug 25 22:55
DaemonFC	Most of the bugs that your average user runs into are entirely the fault of the desktop environment people.	Aug 25 22:55
DaemonFC	It's just that simple.	Aug 25 22:55
MinceR	the desktop environment people kludged systemd together	Aug 25 22:56
DaemonFC	schestowitz, One of the problems with KDE now is Qt5. It requires OpenGL hardware acceleration and many of the drivers are just not that reliable.	Aug 25 22:56
DaemonFC	Qt4/KDE 4 had Raster support through XRender, which was fast and stable, so of course it had to go.	Aug 25 22:57
DaemonFC	Now you can have all the fun of bugs in the several OpenGL drivers that are widely used, and much higher memory requirements, and obviously it makes hardware that's too old to support OpenGL 2 totally unusable without using llvmpipe on the CPU. I'd imagine that's exactly as much fun as it sounds.	Aug 25 22:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Letter Signed by Two Officials Becomes a	Aug 25 23:01
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Microsoft Weapon of Propaganda	Aug 25 23:01
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz http://t.co/PB59nLQafL (techrights.org)	Aug 25 23:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung Galaxy Note 5 Review: The Best Android	Aug 25 23:01
TweetTuxMachines	Phone That Spares No Expense	Aug 25 23:01
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Cu6RVpbiaQ (reviews.gizmodo.com)	Aug 25 23:01
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MinceR	>Qt5. It requires OpenGL hardware acceleration	Aug 25 23:04
MinceR	wow	Aug 25 23:04
MinceR	Qt really went to hell, didn't it?	Aug 25 23:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Astro Pi Is the Name of the Raspberry Pi 2	Aug 25 23:05
TweetTuxMachines	That's Going to Space http://t.co/CDTaOiwTyu	Aug 25 23:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23 Alpha For AArch64/POWER	Aug 25 23:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Viewing LibreOffice Documents In GNOME Will	Aug 25 23:05
TweetTuxMachines	Soon Be A Better Experience	Aug 25 23:05
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/davies42g/status/636296540945039364	Aug 25 23:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Google defeats #Apple in Germany's highest court: slide-to-unlock not a patentable invention http://t.co/UQbqrozguh #patents		Aug 25 23:11
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__martin__	actually all the modern gpu-s require some form of blobs	Aug 25 23:42
__martin__	that's why trisquel author sticks with gnome flashback	Aug 25 23:42
__martin__	(previously fallback session.. even rhel uses it by default)	Aug 25 23:43
__martin__	3d accel for plasma enviro.. well, they aim for plasma mobile + wayland && gles/vulkan by default either way	Aug 25 23:44
__martin__	those arm soc-s have usually more free-er bootloader and no management engine [sic] crap, but blobs again	Aug 25 23:45
__martin__	see raspi.. own kms driver	Aug 25 23:45
__martin__	thou, general users want seamless window-snappy experience and they will go with standard gnome4/plasma5 environment	Aug 25 23:46
__martin__	(since gnome's 3.19 already right)	Aug 25 23:47
__martin__	on the other hand	Aug 25 23:49
__martin__	i welcome newest linux foundation's addition	Aug 25 23:49
__martin__	wuhan deepin technologies	Aug 25 23:49
__martin__	famous for WPS m$ office clone	Aug 25 23:49
__martin__	with ribbon like ui	Aug 25 23:49
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__martin__	& deepin distro that has gui based on qml/qt/html5	Aug 25 23:49
__martin__	gn	Aug 25 23:50
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DaemonFC	There's a market solution to censoring the internet in China.	Aug 25 23:51
DaemonFC	Invite T-Mobile to do business there and give everyone iPhones.	Aug 25 23:51
DaemonFC	They'll be so busy trying to get internet access that you won't even have to censor it.	Aug 25 23:51
MinceR	i see no link between wuhan deepin and kingsoft	Aug 25 23:52
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cubexyz	msb__, there's nothing to stop anyone running whatever kernel they like, with whatever window manager they like	Aug 26 00:17
MinceR	except for applications that depend on systemd	Aug 26 00:17
MinceR	and applications that depend on a set desktop environment	Aug 26 00:17
MinceR	and applications that depend on kdbus	Aug 26 00:17
cubexyz	I'll look into that	Aug 26 00:18
cubexyz	as far as I know q4os and antix don't have any such limitations	Aug 26 00:18
MinceR	and of course even optional dependencies can turn into non-optional dependencies if you're using binary packages	Aug 26 00:20
cubexyz	of course people don't even really understand X11 and all the things it can do	Aug 26 00:20
MinceR	looks like even the people who maintain X11 don't	Aug 26 00:20
MinceR	wayland implementations walk into all sorts of issues X11 neatly avoided	Aug 26 00:21
cubexyz	I just learned today you can do stuff like:	Aug 26 00:21
cubexyz	DISPLAY=:8 scrot file.png	Aug 26 00:22
MinceR	:)	Aug 26 00:22
MinceR	i've done stuff like that for some time	Aug 26 00:23
cubexyz	I had written that down years ago and forgot	Aug 26 00:23
msb__	Is that a more intimate type of "selfie"?	Aug 26 00:24
msb__	Like sitting on a xerox machine?	Aug 26 00:25
MinceR	lol	Aug 26 00:25
MinceR	it's a screen shot utility	Aug 26 00:25
cubexyz	then there's DISPLAY=:8.0 or :8.1	Aug 26 00:26
cubexyz	hostname:displaynumber.screennumber	Aug 26 00:26
msb__	Which takes you into the Eighth Dimension?	Aug 26 00:27
cubexyz	for displays with multiple monitors	Aug 26 00:27
cubexyz	I haven't had the chance to test that	Aug 26 00:27
MinceR	probably only with the traditional multihead, not the xinerama/twinview-style multihead	Aug 26 00:27
MinceR	in the latter case, you just get a large display	Aug 26 00:28
MinceR	and there's some way to find out where the monitors are on that display	Aug 26 00:28
cubexyz	a large display over 2 or more monitors?	Aug 26 00:28
MinceR	indeed	Aug 26 00:29
cubexyz	I think I'd prefer just two computers next to each other	Aug 26 00:29
MinceR	i have a computer with 2 displays and a computer with 1 display next to each other :)	Aug 26 00:30
cubexyz	not to mention DECnet is supported	Aug 26 00:31
cubexyz	no wonder no one understands X11 completely	Aug 26 00:32
cubexyz	xsetroot -solid 'rgbi:.8/.8/.8'	Aug 26 00:34
msb__	I could probably go another six years with the hardware and software that I have now. But if something major croaks, I have a good upgrade plan.	Aug 26 00:35
msb__	cubexyz: You are a wonderful inspiration for not keeping up with the bleeding edge!	Aug 26 00:35
MinceR	"if i want cutting edge, i'll buy a sword. if i want bleeding edge, i'll use it."	Aug 26 00:36
cubexyz	I think it's important to know how we got to where we are now	Aug 26 00:36
msb__	Very good!	Aug 26 00:36
cubexyz	that means learning a lot of stuff	Aug 26 00:36
cubexyz	how many people understand what exactly a compiler does	Aug 26 00:37
msb__	I have enough instrumentation on my system that I feel it's under my complete control. And it does everything I need it to do.	Aug 26 00:38
msb__	What I have to work on now is saving the world and living forever.	Aug 26 00:46
msb__	and porting Tetris.	Aug 26 00:46
msb__	I think on pcdos I used a font that had a rectangular character that totally filled the character space. I don't think that's gonna work here. Need to use actual graphics.	Aug 26 00:49
msb__	But I seem to have the whole gtk2 system with header files and docs, so I'll try that.	Aug 26 00:50
MinceR	it still exists, but not all fonts might have it	Aug 26 00:51
MinceR	also, unicode may provide additional options	Aug 26 00:51
msb__	Just found a nutrient that's supposed to help you grow new mitochondria. It's cheap, too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrroloquinoline_quinone	Aug 26 00:52
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MinceR	do i need to grow new mitochondria?	Aug 26 01:00
cubexyz	they say that mitochondrial dysfunction is the primary cause of age-related decline	Aug 26 01:16
cubexyz	e.g. a 90-year old man had 95% damaged mitochrondria	Aug 26 01:17
DaemonFC	I'm trying not to do anything to speed up the aging process.	Aug 26 01:18
cubexyz	so yeah there's talk about PQQ	Aug 26 01:19
DaemonFC	I don't smoke. I try to get 8 hours of sleep every night. I try not to get myself into stressful situations.	Aug 26 01:19
cubexyz	I'd try it	Aug 26 01:19
cubexyz	too much mitochondrial damage and it's like you got systemd inside your body :)	Aug 26 01:20
cubexyz	the "impulse to exercise declines with age also	Aug 26 01:21
cubexyz	e.g. older mice won't run on the wheel as much	Aug 26 01:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Kernel 4.2 RC8 Arrives in Ubuntu 15.10,	Aug 26 02:36
TweetTuxMachines	Breaks the AMD Catalyst Driver	Aug 26 02:36
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msb__	http://www.rt.com/politics/313391-russia-charas-wikipedia-ban/	Aug 26 03:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Puppy Linux's Sister Quirky 7.1 Distro Arrives	Aug 26 07:28
TweetTuxMachines	with Tools for Android App Developers	Aug 26 07:28
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/gp9i6lHVtj (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 07:28
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/RamiSilawi/status/636325462239674368	Aug 26 07:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamiSilawi: @schestowitz thanks for the #RT :)		Aug 26 07:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/nilecoy/status/636344730050101248	Aug 26 07:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nilecoy: @schestowitz you're a smart guy, is this as scary and horrible as I'm interpreting it to be? https://t.co/6AAph5k077		Aug 26 07:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.federalregister.gov \| Federal Register \| Equipment Authorization and Electronic Labeling for Wireless Devices		Aug 26 07:36
schestowitz	I think it makes worse what's already done anyway	Aug 26 07:36
msb__	schestowitz: What's that going to do? Allow the govt to track people via their wifi?	Aug 26 07:43
msb__	People who've done nothing wrong have nothing to worry about. But what if the government has done something wrong?	Aug 26 07:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/6RL5UIO0xk	Aug 26 07:45
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TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz	Aug 26 07:45
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Puppy Linux's Sister Quirky 7.1 Distro Arrives	Aug 26 07:45
TweetTuxMachines	with Tools for Android App Developers	Aug 26 07:45
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TKbHMZIp0O (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 26 07:45
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Media player adds high-end analog audio and XLR	Aug 26 07:53
TweetTuxMachines	out http://t.co/w8zFPqxd5N (linuxgizmos.com)	Aug 26 07:53
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Kernel 4.2 RC8 Arrives in Ubuntu 15.10,	Aug 26 07:53
TweetTuxMachines	Breaks the AMD Catalyst Driver	Aug 26 07:53
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-6 Is Almost Done, but BQ	Aug 26 07:53
TweetTuxMachines	Aquaris Users Must Wait Until Next Week	Aug 26 07:53
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk4m5	Aug 26 07:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Touch OTA-6 Is Almost Done, but BQ Aquaris Users Must Wait Until Next Week - Softpedia		Aug 26 07:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Exclusive First Look at Falldown, a Fast-Paced	Aug 26 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	and Addictive Game for Ubuntu Touch	Aug 26 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/rrCJyfzwMA (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 26 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk4op	Aug 26 08:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Exclusive First Look at Falldown, a Fast-Paced and Addictive Game for Ubuntu Touch - Softpedia		Aug 26 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation starts security vetting	Aug 26 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	program for FOSS http://t.co/DAK8n4oC13	Aug 26 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	(www.itnews.com.au)	Aug 26 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk4oq	Aug 26 08:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itnews.com.au \| Linux Foundation starts security vetting program for FOSS - Security - Software - News - iTnews.com.au		Aug 26 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ubuntu "viewer for documents created with the	Aug 26 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	open-source LibreOffice office suite."	Aug 26 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/aT4z9W3mcl (linux.softpedia.com)	Aug 26 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk4or	Aug 26 08:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Here's What Ubuntu Touch's LibreOffice Document Viewer App Looks Like - Softpedia		Aug 26 08:01
*__martin__ (~martin@unaffiliated/--martin--/x-1730694) has joined #techrights		Aug 26 08:21
*TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi retweeted @tuxmachines: 'ubuntu "viewer for documents created with the open-source...'		Aug 26 08:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GStreamer 1.6 Open Source Multimedia Backend	Aug 26 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	Gets Closer to Release, Here's What's New	Aug 26 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/L9yLTMaigx (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 26 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk50n	Aug 26 08:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| GStreamer 1.6 Open Source Multimedia Backend Gets Closer to Release, Here's What's New - Softpedia		Aug 26 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Knoppix 7.4: whom is it for?	Aug 26 08:45
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/iWTc0CFhp6 (linuxblog.darkduck.com)	Aug 26 08:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxblog.darkduck.com \| Knoppix 7.4: whom is it for? - Linux notes from DarkDuck		Aug 26 08:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk54f	Aug 26 08:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kronometer 2.0 released http://t.co/tMx81X9D99	Aug 26 08:46
TweetTuxMachines	(www.aelog.org)	Aug 26 08:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk54g	Aug 26 08:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.aelog.org \| Kronometer 2.0 released \| aelog		Aug 26 08:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "This September a bunch of KDE developers, me	Aug 26 08:46
TweetTuxMachines	included, will gather for a week in Randa,	Aug 26 08:46
TweetTuxMachines	Switzerland" https://t.co/6mXy7eehdw	Aug 26 08:46
TweetTuxMachines	(albertvaka.wordpress.com)	Aug 26 08:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-albertvaka.wordpress.com \| Mobile development sprint in Randa: KDE Connect, and more! \| Albert Vaca's blog		Aug 26 08:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk54h	Aug 26 08:46
*TweetTuxMachines @kdecommunity favourited '"This September a bunch of KDE developers, me...'		Aug 26 08:46
*TweetTuxMachines @JRepin favourited '"This September a bunch of KDE developers, me...'		Aug 26 08:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines linux 4.2 to be released in 5 days	Aug 26 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/6cR6F9MOD5 (linuxg.net)	Aug 26 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk574	Aug 26 08:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net \| Kernel 4.2 RC8 Has Been Released, The Final Version Is Excepted To Arrive Next Monday \| LinuxG.net		Aug 26 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How Open Source Is Improving The Way Businesses	Aug 26 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	Visualize Data http://t.co/6fFtTlzhwi	Aug 26 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk576	Aug 26 08:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How Open Source Is Improving The Way Businesses Visualize Data \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Leftovers http://t.co/Lq1F5syNgN	Aug 26 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk577	Aug 26 08:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Knoppix 7.4: whom is it for?	Aug 26 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/VT6lw8bWuT (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk578	Aug 26 08:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Knoppix 7.4: whom is it for? \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Here's How Ubuntu Touch's LibreOffice Document	Aug 26 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	Viewer App Looks Like http://t.co/SN75polcN7	Aug 26 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk57b	Aug 26 08:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Here's How Ubuntu Touch's LibreOffice Document Viewer App Looks Like \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE, Randa, and Post-Akademy	Aug 26 09:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/WQa2kIxEEJ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 09:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk5jg	Aug 26 09:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDE, Randa, and Post-Akademy \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 09:32
*TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Here's How Ubuntu Touch's LibreOffice Document Viewer App...'		Aug 26 09:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Message to LinuxCon Regarding Microsoft	Aug 26 10:10
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by http://t.co/vwqJSBhH8E (techrights.org)	Aug 26 10:10
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz	Aug 26 10:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk5jn	Aug 26 10:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Message to LinuxCon Regarding Microsoft: “It is Necessary to Get Behind Someone in Order to Stab Them in the Back.” -Sir Humphrey Appleby \| Techrights		Aug 26 10:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 25/8/2015: Linux Kernel 4.2 Final RC, KDE	Aug 26 10:10
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Ships Plasma 5.4.0 http://t.co/9sZP30ULAL	Aug 26 10:10
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz (techrights.org)	Aug 26 10:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk5w8	Aug 26 10:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 25/8/2015: Linux Kernel 4.2 Final RC, KDE Ships Plasma 5.4.0 \| Techrights		Aug 26 10:10
cubexyz	don't worry, Microsoft is on the way out	Aug 26 10:19
cubexyz	their operating income is down, so is their net income	Aug 26 10:19
cubexyz	and their total equity is down	Aug 26 10:20
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507488	Aug 26 10:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Even though #Debian has moved to #systemd as default a long while ago now, I've stayed with sysv" http://k1024.org/~iustin/blog/entry/finally-systemd/		Aug 26 10:20
schestowitz	"	Aug 26 10:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> k1024.org \| Finally, systemd! [ http://ur1.ca/nk602 ]		Aug 26 10:20
schestowitz	This quote is from a blog about migrating to systemd. According to it it was fairly simple.	Aug 26 10:20
schestowitz	The final note from it:	Aug 26 10:20
schestowitz	P.S.: the sad part is that usually I’m a strong proponent of declarative configuration, but for some reason I was reluctant to migrate to systemd also on account on losing the “power” of shell scripts. Humans…	Aug 26 10:20
schestowitz	"	Aug 26 10:20
schestowitz	cubexyz: yes, on its way out for a while now	Aug 26 10:20
schestowitz	"but then he changed his mind. :("	Aug 26 10:21
schestowitz	cubexyz: remember when they has Windows Mobile?	Aug 26 10:21
schestowitz	It had a not-so-bad share of the market	Aug 26 10:21
schestowitz	same in servers, to some degree	Aug 26 10:21
schestowitz	UNIX becomes GNU/Linux now, and MS is struggling to attract workloads to Windows	Aug 26 10:21
cubexyz	Google made all the right moves, mostly	Aug 26 10:22
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6508620	Aug 26 10:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: How #Linux was born, as told by Linus #Torvalds himself http://arstechnica.co.uk/business/2015/08/how-linux-was-born-as-told-by-linus-torvalds-himself/ http://opensource.com/life/15/8/happy-24th-birthday-linux-kernel http://www.itproportal.com/2015/08/25/24-years-young-best-of-linux-yet-to-come/		Aug 26 10:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> arstechnica.co.uk \| How Linux was born, as told by Linus Torvalds himself \| Ars Technica UK [ http://ur1.ca/nk60v ]		Aug 26 10:22
schestowitz	"Bunk. Linus wrote a kernel and any kind of os he wrote isn’t in use today. We have GNU / Linux."	Aug 26 10:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> opensource.com \| Celebrating 24 years since Linus Torvalds announced Linux \| Opensource.com [ http://ur1.ca/njwm8 ]		Aug 26 10:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.itproportal.com \| 24 years young: The best of Linux is yet to come \| ITProPortal.com [ http://ur1.ca/nk60w ]		Aug 26 10:22
schestowitz	Let's maintain the illusion it all started in 1991.	Aug 26 10:22
cubexyz	chromebooks will finally KO Microsoft	Aug 26 10:23
cubexyz	the history of Unix is well documented	Aug 26 10:23
schestowitz	already are	Aug 26 10:23
schestowitz	!google chromebooks more than windows laptops	Aug 26 10:23
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Chromebooks vs. Windows 10 Laptops: What Should You Buy? \| http://blog.laptopmag.com/chromebooks-vs-windows	Aug 26 10:23
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Should I Buy a Chromebook? Buying Guide and Advice \| http://blog.laptopmag.com/chromebook-buying-advice	Aug 26 10:23
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Chromebook vs. Windows Laptops: The Real Story \| http://chromebookvswindows.com/	Aug 26 10:23
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Microsoft To Counter Chromebooks with $169 Windows 10 Laptop ... \| http://www.omgchrome.com/microsoft-windows-10-chromebook-strategy/	Aug 26 10:23
schestowitz	spammy	Aug 26 10:24
schestowitz	!google chromebooks outsell windows laptops	Aug 26 10:24
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - NPD: Chromebooks outsell Windows laptops \| ZDNet \| http://www.zdnet.com/article/npd-chromebooks-outsell-windows-laptops/	Aug 26 10:24
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Chromebooks Just Outsold Windows Laptops For ... - OMG! Chrome! \| http://www.omgchrome.com/chromebooks-outsell-windows-notebooks-for-first-time/	Aug 26 10:24
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Chromebooks spank Windows \| Computerworld \| http://www.computerworld.com/article/2871664/chromebooks-spank-windows.html	Aug 26 10:24
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - NPD: Chromebooks outsell Windows laptops in B2B - OSNews \| http://www.osnews.com/story/28781/NPD_Chromebooks_outsell_Windows_laptops_in_B2B	Aug 26 10:24
schestowitz	did you notice that?	Aug 26 10:24
cubexyz	doesn't surprise me	Aug 26 10:25
cubexyz	the only thing that surprised me was how long it took	Aug 26 10:25
cubexyz	there were a bunch of antecedents...	Aug 26 10:25
cubexyz	BeOS on Toshiba (squashed by Microsoft of course)	Aug 26 10:26
cubexyz	Prentice Hall was selling Minix in 1994	Aug 26 10:26
cubexyz	Microsoft just has a bad vibe now, not just among Unix types but the general public	Aug 26 10:27
cubexyz	when my customers started buying chromebooks I took notice	Aug 26 10:27
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507342	Aug 26 10:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Imposing the use of #windows at schools a little similar (to use another domain) forcing students to buy and drink Coca Cola™		Aug 26 10:28
schestowitz	"I think it’s the case with many proprietary programs: indoctrinate the young/make them dependent on your company’s products, which happen to be incompatible with others."	Aug 26 10:28
schestowitz	"	Aug 26 10:28
schestowitz	I think parents that understand the difference need to be very vocal. If your kid comes home and tells you that they have to use word for homework then get in touch with the teacher and explain why that is unreasonable.	Aug 26 10:28
schestowitz	There is a lot of work to be done in the school system to allow the use of Free Software.	Aug 26 10:28
schestowitz	"	Aug 26 10:28
cubexyz	Microsoft indoctrinated _programmers_	Aug 26 10:28
cubexyz	that's how the mess started	Aug 26 10:28
schestowitz	This point has been made before, but in a corrupt system where corruption has been nornalised things are too slow to change	Aug 26 10:28
schestowitz	normalised	Aug 26 10:29
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/636468795876474880	Aug 26 10:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: exciting... #EPO https://t.co/DAURpWLxlD		Aug 26 10:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: A growing culture of whistleblowers and awareness of mass #surveillance is going to thwart the #epo - #techrights has much coming...		Aug 26 10:29
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cubexyz	I mean it's stupid to assume that Microsoft is going to rule forver	Aug 26 10:31
cubexyz	this correction is way overdue	Aug 26 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/ZY5vGjTOCn	Aug 26 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 10:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz	Aug 26 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk60s	Aug 26 10:40
cubexyz	people got sick of the Microsoftian choice:	Aug 26 10:41
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/microchoice.txt	Aug 26 10:41
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/eddyrogerparker/status/636473391168548864	Aug 26 10:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@eddyrogerparker: @schestowitz @nytimes The New York Times seems to have once again lost track. It reminds me of its role in the build up to the Iraq War.		Aug 26 10:45
__martin__	according to github c#'s rate of interest is now higher among coders than good 'ol unixy c	Aug 26 11:10
__martin__	google rewritten their c internals within go afaict	Aug 26 11:11
__martin__	here there exists even wug near college campus	Aug 26 11:12
cubexyz	uh I don't know any Linux/BSD person who uses C#	Aug 26 11:12
__martin__	for more precise indoctrination	Aug 26 11:12
__martin__	btw	Aug 26 11:12
__martin__	since monday's stock crash, mr. gates lost 3.2bn $$ at least	Aug 26 11:13
__martin__	(less bucks for his urine and poop > drink & food co.)	Aug 26 11:14
__martin__	maybe time to invest into gmo algae instead of oil derived pvc shit..	Aug 26 11:15
cubexyz	Pike and Thompson weren't too fond of C++ thus Go was made	Aug 26 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Collabora contributions to Linux Kernel 4.2	Aug 26 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by http://t.co/C3osG0aUgO (padovan.org)	Aug 26 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	@asoliverez	Aug 26 11:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-padovan.org \| Collabora contributions to Linux Kernel 4.2 \| Gustavo Padovan		Aug 26 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk6if	Aug 26 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Libinput 1.0 Officially Released	Aug 26 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TALx7SrMio (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk6ih	Aug 26 11:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Libinput 1.0 Officially Released \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Happy Birthday Linux, Thank you Linus	Aug 26 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/z2zoSDA6Zm (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk6ij	Aug 26 11:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Happy Birthday Linux, Thank you Linus \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 11:16
__martin__	there is a big scandal in slovakia atm	Aug 26 11:18
__martin__	with soil wagering / land grab	Aug 26 11:19
__martin__	for jaguar's new car-plant	Aug 26 11:19
__martin__	& toxic waste leakage into freshwater reserves near capital city	Aug 26 11:20
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/morvjn/status/636483107458260992	Aug 26 11:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@morvjn: @schestowitz Microsoft Germany has their own dedicated team to wrest Munich away from Linux		Aug 26 11:21
schestowitz	__martin__: does this relate to tech?	Aug 26 11:21
schestowitz	[11:13] <__martin__> since monday's stock crash, mr. gates lost 3.2bn $$ at least	Aug 26 11:21
schestowitz	I don't worry about him...	Aug 26 11:22
schestowitz	Some people, however, might lose their job	Aug 26 11:22
schestowitz	If their bosses or employers had much invested in stocks	Aug 26 11:22
__martin__	quite right	Aug 26 11:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Munich is not considering ditching Linux and	Aug 26 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	going back to Windows http://t.co/lAioAgkQJH	Aug 26 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.ocsmag.com) http://t.co/PB59nLQafL	Aug 26 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org) http://t.co/7Nef0JPwd5	Aug 26 11:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ocsmag.com \| No, Munich is not considering ditching Linux and going back to Windows \| OCS-Mag		Aug 26 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Aug 26 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk6la	Aug 26 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Libinput 1.0 Officially Released	Aug 26 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/7xrzDZWcQM (www.phoronix.com)	Aug 26 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk6lc	Aug 26 11:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Letter Signed by Two German Officials Becomes a Microsoft Weapon of Propaganda \| Techrights		Aug 26 11:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Sabine Pfeiler and Otto Seidl Should Take Note as Russia — Like China — is in the Process of Banning Microsoft Windows for Security Reasons \| Techrights		Aug 26 11:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Libinput 1.0 Officially Released - Phoronix		Aug 26 11:24
schestowitz	old?new?	Aug 26 11:40
schestowitz	http://phk.freebsd.dk/sagas/jails.html	Aug 26 11:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-phk.freebsd.dk \| Jails – High value but shitty Virtualization — PHKs Bikeshed		Aug 26 11:40
schestowitz	no date stamp	Aug 26 11:40
schestowitz	>	Aug 26 11:53
schestowitz	> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/how-linux-was-born-as-told-by-linus-torvalds-himself/	Aug 26 11:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| How Linux was born, as told by Linus Torvalds himself \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/nk6v8 ]		Aug 26 11:54
schestowitz	>	Aug 26 11:54
schestowitz	> Overshadowed by news about a version of MS-DOS. Planning for the 25th	Aug 26 11:54
schestowitz	> needs to start now. I hope the Linux Foundation is on top of that.	Aug 26 11:54
schestowitz	My concern is that this helps distract from FSF 30. More revisionism giving credit to a Finnish lad in 1991. The more it goes on, the stronger the history rewrite becomes and harder it is to challenge.	Aug 26 11:54
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Munich is not considering ditching Linux and going...'		Aug 26 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-6 Is Almost Done, but BQ	Aug 26 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	Aquaris Users Must Wait Until Next Week	Aug 26 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ZW1RD64KiS (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 26 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Tpz5psw2E9 (linuxg.net)	Aug 26 11:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Touch OTA-6 Is Almost Done, but BQ Aquaris Users Must Wait Until Next Week - Softpedia		Aug 26 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk6x2	Aug 26 11:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net \| Ubuntu Touch OTA-6 Update May Be Released By The End Of The Week \| LinuxG.net		Aug 26 11:59
schestowitz	[10:31] <cubexyz> I mean it's stupid to assume that Microsoft is going to rule forver	Aug 26 12:00
schestowitz	Nothing rules forever	Aug 26 12:00
schestowitz	But Microsoft did a lot of damage for at least two decades	Aug 26 12:01
schestowitz	since I was a teen, maybe before	Aug 26 12:01
schestowitz	I was upset at them even when I was young	Aug 26 12:01
schestowitz	they killed IT and make it all "Windows" and "Microsoft"	Aug 26 12:01
schestowitz	Destroyed anything resembling diversity and competition	Aug 26 12:02
schestowitz	IT starts getting exciting again	Aug 26 12:02
schestowitz	Many languages to choose from, many stacks	Aug 26 12:02
schestowitz	[07:43] <msb__> schestowitz: What's that going to do? Allow the govt to track people via their wifi?	Aug 26 12:02
schestowitz	Ye	Aug 26 12:02
schestowitz	Yes	Aug 26 12:02
schestowitz	but they can already guess to some extent	Aug 26 12:02
schestowitz	and those who do criminal things aren't going to surrender to some regulation, they'll just work around that anyway	Aug 26 12:03
schestowitz	so the target of it is not crime per se	Aug 26 12:03
schestowitz	many dissent	Aug 26 12:03
msb__	People who have done nothing wrong have nothing to fear from the Surveillance State. But what if the government has done something wrong?	Aug 26 12:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines No, Munich is not considering ditching Linux	Aug 26 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	and going back to Windows	Aug 26 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/CIMWRamcAx (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk6z5	Aug 26 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| No, Munich is not considering ditching Linux and going back to Windows \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-6 Is Almost Done, but BQ	Aug 26 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	Aquaris Users Must Wait Until Next Week	Aug 26 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/KfnKLwfdTt (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk6z6	Aug 26 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Touch OTA-6 Is Almost Done, but BQ Aquaris Users Must Wait Until Next Week \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Umeå University computer club supports open	Aug 26 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	source http://t.co/vwrESMQQ3S	Aug 26 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Umeå University computer club supports open source \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 12:05
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msb__	"People who have done nothing wrong have nothing to fear from the Surveillance State." But what if the government has done something wrong?	Aug 26 12:08
schestowitz	msb__: depends who is running the government and who it is accountable to/for	Aug 26 12:08
msb__	A surveillance state is not accountable to anyone.	Aug 26 12:09
msb__	It uses self-perpetuating psychopath behavior.	Aug 26 12:09
schestowitz	but it's allowed to expand when the public hasn't a say	Aug 26 12:10
schestowitz	or the public misled into accepting it	Aug 26 12:10
msb__	Yes.	Aug 26 12:10
msb__	Whichever warlord or clique is in power uses the surveillance to stay in power.	Aug 26 12:11
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6511274	Aug 26 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@harryhaller@nerdpol.ch: Lots of Reasons to Avoid #Windows 10 - Goodbye, Microsoft® - http://www.goodbyemicrosoft.net/news.php?item.797.3 - Section 7b of Microsoft's Services EULA (under “Updates to the Services or Software, and Changes to These Terms”) warns users that Windows 10 “may automatically check your version of the software and download software updates or configuration changes, including those that prevent you from accessing		Aug 26 12:11
schestowitz	"Lots of Reasons to Avoid #Windows 10 - Goodbye, Microsoft® - http://www.goodbyemicrosoft.net/news.php?item.797.3 - Section 7b of Microsoft’s Services EULA (under “Updates to the Services or Software, and Changes to These Terms”) warns users that Windows 10 “may automatically check your version of the software and download software updates or configuration changes, including those that prevent you from accessing the services,	Aug 26 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.goodbyemicrosoft.net \| Lots of Reasons to Avoid Windows 10 - Goodbye, Microsoft® [ http://ur1.ca/nk71j ]		Aug 26 12:11
schestowitz	playing counterfeit games, or using unauthorized hardware peripheral devices.” via Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) #w10 #microsoft"	Aug 26 12:11
msb__	No one can live without violating some law.	Aug 26 12:12
msb__	And Microsoft or the State will, for any individual, find the law they have broken.	Aug 26 12:13
msb__	But Microsoft is a State that people can choose to reject. I think Microsoft has killed itself with the Windows 10 surveillance.	Aug 26 12:15
msb__	Psychopaths often take one step too far, and their facade cracks.	Aug 26 12:17
msb__	Their power goes to their head, and they think they can get away with anything.	Aug 26 12:19
msb__	But they have a distorted vision of reality. Ultimately, evil really is stupid.	Aug 26 12:21
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cubexyz	people were starting to say that Microsoft was dead back in 2007	Aug 26 13:04
cubexyz	it's simply a bigger pain in the butt to deal with windows than linux	Aug 26 13:05
cubexyz	simple as that	Aug 26 13:05
cubexyz	I didn't need any reasons beyond what I said before.. main reason was closed source OS, drivers, applications etc	Aug 26 13:06
cubexyz	all the other crap is just icing on the cake	Aug 26 13:06
cubexyz	Google was very smart about the chromebooks	Aug 26 13:07
cubexyz	I don't agree with the idea of all applications living on the web, but that is partially the case	Aug 26 13:08
cubexyz	gmail, google search, blogger, google docs	Aug 26 13:09
cubexyz	you can easily live without microsoft now	Aug 26 13:10
cubexyz	I know Microsoft does crappy things all the time	Aug 26 13:10
cubexyz	on the Linux side they made some mistakes, although not as bad as the mistakes Microsoft made	Aug 26 13:12
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/636512278448349184	Aug 26 13:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz At any family dinner all phones have batteries removed and placed in fridge.		Aug 26 13:17
cubexyz	in 1995 the old compaq contract with Microsoft was ridiculous	Aug 26 13:20
cubexyz	basically compaq had to pay microsoft $500 for each customer system	Aug 26 13:20
cubexyz	then Compaq had to agree to employ a support techician who had completed the Microsoft Certified Professional program for backoffice (at Compaq's expense of course)	Aug 26 13:21
cubexyz	Vanwensveen wrote a length about Microsoft's early crimes	Aug 26 13:25
cubexyz	it's actually even worse than I thought!	Aug 26 13:25
cubexyz	they weren't just stealing time on a PDP-10 but also on a Xerox computer!	Aug 26 13:25
cubexyz	then Gates lies about have a BASIC interpreter for the Altair	Aug 26 13:26
cubexyz	http://www.slated.org/antitrust/www.vanwensveen.nl/IhateMS.pdf	Aug 26 13:27
cubexyz	not to mention dumpster diving to get code for said BASIC interpreter	Aug 26 13:28
cubexyz	some folks even say Gates was expelled for stealing computer time	Aug 26 13:32
oiaohm	No documentation of expelled.	Aug 26 13:33
cubexyz	Harvard got DARPA funding	Aug 26 13:33
oiaohm	Of course he did not complete his course that does leave a lot of question.	Aug 26 13:33
cubexyz	oiaohm, Microsoft even sued their first customer MITS	Aug 26 13:35
cubexyz	over the rights of 8080 BASIC	Aug 26 13:35
MinceR	> People who have done nothing wrong have nothing to fear from the Surveillance State.	Aug 26 13:36
MinceR	i think they do	Aug 26 13:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft Aggression Against GNU/Linux Amid	Aug 26 13:37
TweetTuxMachines	Vista 10's Failure http://t.co/tLrvKeIPCT	Aug 26 13:37
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Aug 26 13:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Microsoft Aggression Against GNU/Linux Amid Vista 10′s Failure \| Techrights		Aug 26 13:37
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schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/people/da68a1f811b0f71e	Aug 26 14:05
schestowitz	"heh, classical double-spending attack then"	Aug 26 14:05
schestowitz	It's very upsetting. No response yet to my report of the problem.	Aug 26 14:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Munich is not considering ditching Linux and	Aug 26 14:13
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by going back to Windows http://t.co/lAioAgkQJH	Aug 26 14:13
TweetTuxMachines	@Messgorough (www.ocsmag.com) http://t.co/PB59nLQafL	Aug 26 14:13
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org) http://t.co/7Nef0JPwd5	Aug 26 14:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ocsmag.com \| No, Munich is not considering ditching Linux and going back to Windows \| OCS-Mag		Aug 26 14:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Letter Signed by Two German Officials Becomes a Microsoft Weapon of Propaganda \| Techrights		Aug 26 14:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft-connected Mesosphere Threatens to	Aug 26 14:13
TweetTuxMachines	Eliminate Free Software in the Datacentre	Aug 26 14:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/BkFB7eNoCU (techrights.org)	Aug 26 14:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Sabine Pfeiler and Otto Seidl Should Take Note as Russia — Like China — is in the Process of Banning Microsoft Windows for Security Reasons \| Techrights		Aug 26 14:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Microsoft-connected Mesosphere Threatens to Eliminate Free Software in the Datacentre \| Techrights		Aug 26 14:14
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Here's why the iPhone isn't going to catch up	Aug 26 15:46
TweetTuxMachines	to Android any time soon http://t.co/MaVdSNSa1x	Aug 26 15:46
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 15:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk93z	Aug 26 15:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Here's why the iPhone isn't going to catch up to Android any time soon \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 15:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ‘Father of Android’ Andy Rubin Joins Lineup for	Aug 26 15:46
TweetTuxMachines	October’s Code/Mobile http://t.co/e7sAI0C9G7	Aug 26 15:46
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 15:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| ‘Father of Android’ Andy Rubin Joins Lineup for October’s Code/Mobile \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 15:46
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines For UNC scientists, open source is the way	Aug 26 15:46
TweetTuxMachines	forward http://t.co/Wqg0uAetTn	Aug 26 15:46
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 15:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| For UNC scientists, open source is the way forward \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 15:46
msb__	MinceR: You quoted me only partially -- "People who have done nothing wrong...". Here is my complete statement: <msb__> "People who have done nothing wrong have nothing to fear from the Surveillance State." But what if the government has done something wrong?	Aug 26 15:52
msb__	MinceR: Perhaps I should modify it further:	Aug 26 15:53
msb__	The government says, "People who have done nothing wrong have nothing to fear from the Surveillance State." But what if the government has done something wrong?	Aug 26 15:54
msb__	MinceR: As you can see, I agree with you completely about this.	Aug 26 15:55
MinceR	i thought the emphasis was on the second sentence	Aug 26 16:01
msb__	Yes, it is. And so we agree completely on this. But I think the latest version decreases the chance of misunderstanding.	Aug 26 16:02
msb__	MinceR: BTW, Putin's attempt to ban a wikipedia article was wrong/evil in (at least) two ways. 1. Censorship is almost always wrong (except in cases of advocacy of murder, etc.). 2. The article is about Charas -- cannabis resin. Cannabis is _not_ a narcotic, and is in fact very beneficial both for freeing people's minds from propaganda programming and other traumas, and for curing cancer.	Aug 26 16:06
msb__	Here's the English version: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charas	Aug 26 16:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Charas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Aug 26 16:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Here's How Ubuntu Touch's LibreOffice Document	Aug 26 16:11
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Viewer App Looks Like http://t.co/SN75polcN7	Aug 26 16:11
TweetTuxMachines	@Nymdok (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 16:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Here's How Ubuntu Touch's LibreOffice Document Viewer App Looks Like \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 16:11
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*TweetTuxMachines @tecknocrat favourited 'Munich is not considering ditching Linux and going...'		Aug 26 16:11
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/UrFhasaidh/status/636547801464242176	Aug 26 18:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@UrFhasaidh: Dr. Roy Schestowitz : @schestowitz: Fox Exploits Stock Market Turbulence To Push GOP Policies, Major Tax Cuts... http://t.co/pX3I4yO2Rv		Aug 26 18:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Fox Exploits Stock Market Turbulence To Push GOP Policies, Major Tax Cuts http://t.co/JGZQj2kd2U #gop #opportunism #classwar #partisan		Aug 26 18:11
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Sjig/status/636525839098716161	Aug 26 18:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Sjig: Jos van den Oever: https://t.co/m9uQqFsSj7		Aug 26 18:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #odf plugfests still happening http://t.co/1vpWUEY059		Aug 26 18:11
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6511465	Aug 26 18:17
schestowitz	It’s even worse when you are involved in such failure, sorry to say mate.""	Aug 26 18:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post?		Aug 26 18:17
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schestowitz	indeed, but in the middle of Town?	Aug 26 18:24
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/myhermes/status/636574171988946945	Aug 26 18:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@myhermes: @schestowitz Good afternoon, please can you DM us with your accounts email address so we can look into this for you. Kind regards, Greg.		Aug 26 18:25
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MinceR	msb__: agreed on both counts	Aug 26 18:56
msb__	MinceR: Now I want you to understand that people are born wanting to be free, and loving freedom. It's only after years of lying propaganda and emotional trauma that some give up and want to be told what to do.	Aug 26 18:57
MinceR	i wonder about that	Aug 26 18:59
MinceR	according to The Blank Slate, humans are instinctually predisposed for some horribe behavior	Aug 26 18:59
MinceR	but there are a lot of civilizing influences in modern civilization already	Aug 26 19:00
MinceR	just not enough	Aug 26 19:00
MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/6NiDIbO.jpg	Aug 26 19:00
msb__	Blank slate is BS. People are born Alive and Conscious!	Aug 26 19:01
msb__	http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/182194	Aug 26 19:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.poetryfoundation.org \| Invictus by William Ernest Henley : The Poetry Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/nkb81 ]		Aug 26 19:02
msb__	please read that	Aug 26 19:02
MinceR	you haven't even read it, have you? :>	Aug 26 19:02
msb__	about six times	Aug 26 19:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Munich is not considering ditching Linux and	Aug 26 19:03
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by going back to Windows http://t.co/lAioAgkQJH	Aug 26 19:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tecknocrat (www.ocsmag.com) http://t.co/PB59nLQafL	Aug 26 19:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ocsmag.com \| No, Munich is not considering ditching Linux and going back to Windows \| OCS-Mag		Aug 26 19:03
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org) http://t.co/7Nef0JPwd5	Aug 26 19:03
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Aug 26 19:03
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*TweetTuxMachines @jjfffffkk followed @tuxmachines		Aug 26 19:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Letter Signed by Two German Officials Becomes a Microsoft Weapon of Propaganda \| Techrights		Aug 26 19:03
msb__	I'd forgotten about it, but it's the theme of Star Trek Renegades.	Aug 26 19:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Sabine Pfeiler and Otto Seidl Should Take Note as Russia — Like China — is in the Process of Banning Microsoft Windows for Security Reasons \| Techrights		Aug 26 19:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft-connected Mesosphere Threatens to	Aug 26 19:04
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Eliminate Free Software in the Datacentre	Aug 26 19:04
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz http://t.co/BkFB7eNoCU (techrights.org)	Aug 26 19:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Microsoft-connected Mesosphere Threatens to Eliminate Free Software in the Datacentre \| Techrights		Aug 26 19:04
msb__	firefox froze on me again!	Aug 26 19:04
msb__	MinceR: There is a spirit of organic life. We are all born with it.	Aug 26 19:05
msb__	We feel it as pleasure, and strength.	Aug 26 19:06
MinceR	what we feel as pleasure is what we've evolved to reward ourselves for	Aug 26 19:06
msb__	...and friendship, and the desire to help others	Aug 26 19:06
msb__	Sorry, but you've been brainwashed by mechanistic scientism.	Aug 26 19:08
MinceR	there are darker aspects of human nature	Aug 26 19:08
msb__	Yes, which appear if we are traumatized.	Aug 26 19:08
msb__	They are defense mechanisms.	Aug 26 19:08
msb__	You are very pessimistic. You don't have to be.	Aug 26 19:09
msb__	You've learned it from a bad environment, but you can find the good stuff.	Aug 26 19:10
msb__	Have you read The Chalice and the Blade?	Aug 26 19:10
MinceR	not yet	Aug 26 19:10
MinceR	i've bookmarked your list of books for later reading, though	Aug 26 19:11
msb__	Please do. It proves that the current psychopathy and predation in our culture is not from human nature.	Aug 26 19:11
msb__	It is a disease.	Aug 26 19:11
msb__	Humanity did not have that disease about six thousand (IIRC) years ago.	Aug 26 19:12
msb__	We're like fish living in a poisoned lake and thinking that being sick is our nature, when it's actually from the poison.	Aug 26 19:13
DaemonFC	http://www.hakspek.com/security/updates-make-windows-7-and-8-spy-on-you-like-windows-10/	Aug 26 19:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hakspek.com \| Updates Make Windows 7 and 8 Spy On You Like Windows 10 [ http://ur1.ca/nkbdy ]		Aug 26 19:14
msb__	I don't know how old you are, but I'm nearly 70 and I lived during the 1960s renaissance in the US.	Aug 26 19:15
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msb__	People got free then, from the music, cannabis, books about consciousness and psychedelics. We stopped the Vietnam War!	Aug 26 19:16
MinceR	mechanistic? no, reductionistic :)	Aug 26 19:20
msb__	Both!	Aug 26 19:28
*TweetTuxMachines @TechJournalist favourited 'Microsoft-connected Mesosphere Threatens to Eliminate Free Software in...'		Aug 26 19:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Here's why the iPhone isn't going to catch up	Aug 26 19:35
TweetTuxMachines	to Android any time soon http://t.co/JVP44Bvidg	Aug 26 19:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com \| Global smartphone sales slow, Android retains 81% share to 2019: IDC - Business Insider		Aug 26 19:35
TweetTuxMachines	(www.businessinsider.com)	Aug 26 19:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ‘Father of Android’ Andy Rubin Joins Lineup for	Aug 26 19:35
TweetTuxMachines	October’s Code/Mobile http://t.co/pvHnwWkmQO	Aug 26 19:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-recode.net \| Android Co-Founder Andy Rubin Joins Lineup for October’s Code/Mobile \| Re/code		Aug 26 19:35
TweetTuxMachines	(recode.net)	Aug 26 19:35
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DaemonFC	http://www.zdnet.com/product/samsung-galaxy-note-5/	Aug 26 19:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Galaxy Note 5 review: Samsung's best sets the bar again Review \| ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/nkbut ]		Aug 26 19:50
DaemonFC	I liked the part where you could jam the S-pen in backwards with no resistance, and then it's impossible to remove it without breaking the phone.	Aug 26 19:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Teradata Extends Commitment to SUSE Linux	Aug 26 19:50
TweetTuxMachines	Enterprise http://t.co/wbk9CRMc85	Aug 26 19:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.prnewswire.com \| Teradata Extends Commitment to SUSE Linux Enterprise -- NUREMBERG, Germany, Aug. 26, 2015		Aug 26 19:50
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Sable is a superb all-in-one PC from System76,	Aug 26 19:50
TweetTuxMachines	and you can now purchase one at a $50	Aug 26 19:50
TweetTuxMachines	discount." http://t.co/ipnxDYZyYs	Aug 26 19:50
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Aug 26 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Superb Ubuntu-Powered Sable from System76 Has a $50 Discount - Softpedia		Aug 26 19:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 1 in 4 Games on Steam Now Has Linux Support	Aug 26 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/IvTMqEOZxK (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 26 19:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| 1 in 4 Games on Steam Now Has Linux Support - Softpedia		Aug 26 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How to find out if your PC is compatible with	Aug 26 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	Linux http://t.co/ZSLYdIagmF (www.pcworld.com)	Aug 26 20:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com \| How to find out if your PC is compatible with Linux \| PCWorld		Aug 26 20:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Most people don't really realize that they	Aug 26 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	have Linux and they do not really care"	Aug 26 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/hjm94OrC4X (www.techrepublic.com)	Aug 26 20:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techrepublic.com \| Here's the one 'major problem' facing Munich after switching from Windows to Linux - TechRepublic		Aug 26 20:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LibreOffice 5.0.1 to Feature Improved Rendering	Aug 26 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	When Scrolling http://t.co/aDpzoTralU	Aug 26 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 20:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| LibreOffice 5.0.1 to Feature Improved Rendering When Scrolling \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ReadySpace Achieves Red Hat Cloud and Service	Aug 26 20:16
TweetTuxMachines	Provider Certification http://t.co/EROnERU30L	Aug 26 20:16
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 20:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| ReadySpace Achieves Red Hat Cloud and Service Provider Certification \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 20:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Superb Ubuntu-Powered Sable from System76 Has a	Aug 26 20:16
TweetTuxMachines	$50 Discount http://t.co/wZes7wqxel	Aug 26 20:16
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 20:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Superb Ubuntu-Powered Sable from System76 Has a $50 Discount \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 20:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How to find out if your PC is compatible with	Aug 26 20:16
TweetTuxMachines	Linux http://t.co/81jo2ZeIhH	Aug 26 20:16
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 20:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How to find out if your PC is compatible with Linux \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 20:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Here's the one 'major problem' facing Munich	Aug 26 20:16
TweetTuxMachines	after switching from Windows to Linux	Aug 26 20:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/tZny2fsDhD (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 20:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkc71	Aug 26 20:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Here's the one 'major problem' facing Munich after switching from Windows to Linux \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 20:16
*TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Superb Ubuntu-Powered Sable from System76 Has a $50...'		Aug 26 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How open source will power tomorrow’s tech	Aug 26 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	unicorns http://t.co/CQBKXoKOCx	Aug 26 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.information-age.com)	Aug 26 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkc9f	Aug 26 20:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.information-age.com \| How open source will power tomorrow’s tech unicorns \| Information Age		Aug 26 20:23
abeNd-org	mmm nessus	Aug 26 20:41
abeNd-org	i need to get lan based agent scanning going, that would be so freaking cool..	Aug 26 20:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft Aggression Against GNU/Linux Amid	Aug 26 21:11
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Vista 10's Failure http://t.co/tLrvKeIPCT	Aug 26 21:11
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz (techrights.org)	Aug 26 21:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkca0	Aug 26 21:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fixing plasma bugs, visualised	Aug 26 21:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/lETVCrimYb	Aug 26 21:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.davidedmundson.co.uk \| Just another manic monday \| David Edmundson's Web Log		Aug 26 21:11
TweetTuxMachines	(blog.davidedmundson.co.uk)	Aug 26 21:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkcvz	Aug 26 21:11
msb__	RT: North Dakota passed law allowing police to use drones armed with tear gas, sound cannons and tasers -- so-called non-lethal weapons, except that tasers have killed dozens of people.	Aug 26 21:14
MinceR	the militarization of police continues	Aug 26 21:16
msb__	US has fake democracy in which only dollars, not votes, matter.	Aug 26 21:17
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MinceR	votes would matter if the citizens cared	Aug 26 21:17
MinceR	they're allowed to vote for "third parties", they just don't want to	Aug 26 21:18
msb__	So if people take to mass demonstrations to exert control over the government, then they are attacked by militarized police.	Aug 26 21:18
MinceR	that's not the only way	Aug 26 21:18
MinceR	also, they could change the constitution the way Larry Lessig writes in Republic Lost	Aug 26 21:18
msb__	In the US system, third parties can never win.	Aug 26 21:18
MinceR	they can, but the playing field is heavily tilted	Aug 26 21:19
MinceR	(probably not as heavily as in hungary, though)	Aug 26 21:19
msb__	MinceR: Most USians are thoroughly embedded in the Matrix and have far less understanding of politics and govt than you do.	Aug 26 21:20
MinceR	which is unfortunate	Aug 26 21:20
msb__	It's purposely designed that way to enable the ruling psychopaths to stay in power.	Aug 26 21:21
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ch_s/status/636633679008264192	Aug 26 21:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ch_s: @schestowitz : tough situation -not sure I have all the information about this but it looks like it. They need to focus on what matters too.		Aug 26 21:21
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/636634694600261632	Aug 26 21:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Might has always made right.		Aug 26 21:24
msb__	MinceR: Edward Bernays explained to the rulers that if they simply repeat their lying propaganda from many different corporate news mouthpieces ("what you tell me three times is true") and if they throw in a little sex and scandal, they can get the citizens to believe and support anything, even invasions of other countries and murders of millions of people.	Aug 26 21:29
MinceR	yet the people often doubt	Aug 26 21:29
msb__	...and impoverishment of themselves	Aug 26 21:29
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MinceR	and they have partisan mouthpieces as examples of "news" telling them something they don't agree with	Aug 26 21:30
MinceR	and we have the internet ...for now, anyway	Aug 26 21:30
msb__	It seems like the rulers have something restraining them from censoring the Internet, youtube, and websites like mine. I can't figure out what it is.	Aug 26 21:32
MinceR	technical ineptitude	Aug 26 21:33
MinceR	also, the internet was originally designed to be resilient and reliable, not a vehicle for censorship	Aug 26 21:33
msb__	If they did it, most people wouldn't care (or even know) and those who did care would be powerless.	Aug 26 21:33
MinceR	also, there's the (at least nominal) belief in freedom of speech in the usa	Aug 26 21:34
msb__	But the backbone fiber lines are run by a few companies, and the govt could tell them what to do.	Aug 26 21:34
MinceR	initiatives to censor the internet can be opposed by groups rounding up allies in the name of freedom of speech	Aug 26 21:35
MinceR	those companies might abhor the extra costs this would cause	Aug 26 21:35
msb__	all the govt has to do is blow off a nuke somewhere in the US and say it was done via the Net.	Aug 26 21:35
MinceR	isp-s seem to prefer to do filtering on the consumer-facing side	Aug 26 21:36
MinceR	and on DNS	Aug 26 21:36
MinceR	perhaps the politicians believe DNS-only blocking is good enough	Aug 26 21:36
MinceR	there still are many people who know you can't blow up a nuke via the net	Aug 26 21:36
msb__	Sure you can. Net, cell-phone, tincan-and-string (well, a very long string).	Aug 26 21:38
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/636636943741231109	Aug 26 21:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz True techies avoid buzzwords.		Aug 26 21:38
schestowitz	the only way to communicate meaningfully	Aug 26 21:38
MinceR	i mean, you'd still need a nuke and that would be the root cause of the explosion	Aug 26 21:39
MinceR	not the net	Aug 26 21:39
msb__	People should know that you can't destroy 3 steel-frame buildings by flying planes into 2 of them. But evidently many still don't know that.	Aug 26 21:39
MinceR	and they're not stupid enough yet to have a public network-based trigger for nukes	Aug 26 21:39
MinceR	that's a totally different story	Aug 26 21:40
msb__	It could be done with a usb thingy and a bash script.	Aug 26 21:41
msb__	and a nuke, of course	Aug 26 21:41
msb__	The US has murdered more than 2M people and destroyed at least 5 nations based on 911. And most people still believe the lies.	Aug 26 21:42
msb__	Well, anyhow, they haven't censored the Net, and haven't killed me and other people with good websites, so I'm glad they're restrained, whatever is restraining them.	Aug 26 21:43
msb__	Maybe it's just that they figure if they make things too miserable in the West then they won't have any place they can live and feel safe in.	Aug 26 21:45
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/636639269474406401	Aug 26 21:46
msb__	There's some evidence they're building tunnels and subterranean cities for themselves but that wouldn't be a pleasant life.	Aug 26 21:46
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ch_s/status/636640429186920448	Aug 26 21:47
schestowitz	Too divisive to help them; see what okcupid did, both sides get upset, Mozilla caught in political mess	Aug 26 21:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz That's why techies are unconvincing. Too much meaning per word is tiring for the bullshite-addicted.		Aug 26 21:48
schestowitz	@ch_s @firefox In a sense, #mozilla chose to make ITSELF a platform on which a political fight is waged. Dumb idea. @BrendanEich	Aug 26 21:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ch_s: @schestowitz : by focus I mean improving @firefox & #FirefoxOS while defining a sustainable business model. No witchhunt will ever help.		Aug 26 21:51
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ch_s/status/636643986275483648	Aug 26 21:59
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ch_s/status/636643986275483648	Aug 26 22:03
schestowitz	"@schestowitz @firefox @BrendanEich : exactly. To me it stems from a lack of focus. See my 2014 post about this: http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2014"	Aug 26 22:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ch_s: @schestowitz @firefox @BrendanEich : exactly. To me it stems from a lack of focus. See my 2014 post about this: http://t.co/eH4EOihVap		Aug 26 22:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> standardsandfreedom.net \| Mozilla, a tale of gentrification \| Moved by Freedom – Powered by Standards		Aug 26 22:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-standardsandfreedom.net \| 2014 \| Moved by Freedom – Powered by Standards [ http://ur1.ca/nkdn0 ]		Aug 26 22:08
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6513174	Aug 26 22:10
schestowitz	"	Aug 26 22:10
schestowitz	Don’t know other countries, but in Banana Republic police officer is the best paid and most respected (due to the badge and gun) profession someone with primary or secondary school education can get.	Aug 26 22:10
schestowitz	So if you do not have confidence in a teen with a gun, a policeman is usually not better.	Aug 26 22:10
schestowitz	"	Aug 26 22:10
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6510474	Aug 26 22:11
schestowitz	"his software is a bit too “round the houses” for me - emacs - other gnu stuff (not from him) gnome, grub - also too much. Person - don’t know him. Foundation - yes. “And all that” = people, websites, distros that agree with floss."	Aug 26 22:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #police is wilfully ignorant about "law enforcement", "the rule of law", "law enforcer" (cop), "justice", etc. They pretend THEY ARE the law		Aug 26 22:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #LinuxFoundation starts security vetting program for FOSS http://www.itnews.com.au/News/408402,linux-foundation-starts-security-vetting-program-for-foss.aspx #linux #security		Aug 26 22:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.itnews.com.au \| Linux Foundation starts security vetting program for FOSS - Security - Software - News - iTnews.com.au [ http://ur1.ca/nkbdj ]		Aug 26 22:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Two new Cyanogen smartphones hit the market:	Aug 26 22:19
TweetTuxMachines	Wileyfox launches Storm and Swift	Aug 26 22:19
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/LHfE1Nh7nM (www.zdnet.com)	Aug 26 22:19
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkdsa	Aug 26 22:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Linux Version Of Dying Light Is Broken	Aug 26 22:19
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/HVDxaIoCNO (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Aug 26 22:19
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkdsc	Aug 26 22:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines #Hearthlands Is Exactly The Type Of	Aug 26 22:19
TweetTuxMachines	City-builder A Lazy Sunday Needs For Linux	Aug 26 22:19
TweetTuxMachines	Gamers http://t.co/x60txHmAHu	Aug 26 22:19
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Aug 26 22:19
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkdsd	Aug 26 22:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Two new Cyanogen smartphones hit the market: Wileyfox launches Storm and Swift \| ZDNet		Aug 26 22:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| The Linux Version Of Dying Light Is Broken \| GamingOnLinux		Aug 26 22:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Hearthlands Is Exactly The Type Of City-builder A Lazy Sunday Needs For Linux Gamers \| GamingOnLinux		Aug 26 22:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Vodafone UK rocks the bloat with demands for	Aug 26 22:21
TweetTuxMachines	vanilla Android http://t.co/ttPMShqTwj	Aug 26 22:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theregister.co.uk)	Aug 26 22:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkdtd	Aug 26 22:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How open source will power tomorrow’s tech	Aug 26 22:21
TweetTuxMachines	unicorns http://t.co/ybmqkyWwN6	Aug 26 22:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 22:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkdtg	Aug 26 22:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Two new Cyanogen smartphones hit the market:	Aug 26 22:21
TweetTuxMachines	Wileyfox launches Storm and Swift	Aug 26 22:21
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/MpuDHmlvuk (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 22:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkdth	Aug 26 22:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Vodafone UK rocks the bloat with demands for vanilla Android • The Register		Aug 26 22:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How open source will power tomorrow’s tech unicorns \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 22:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Two new Cyanogen smartphones hit the market: Wileyfox launches Storm and Swift \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 22:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNU/FSF Links http://t.co/agVvhIIMdJ	Aug 26 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkdz7	Aug 26 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines This free Android app does something awesome	Aug 26 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	that no iPhone can http://t.co/S2ZAQAGDOJ	Aug 26 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	(bgr.com)	Aug 26 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkdz8	Aug 26 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A unique twist on Android for broke college	Aug 26 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	kids http://t.co/fIWn5h9Zhu (www.engadget.com)	Aug 26 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkdz9	Aug 26 22:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GNU/FSF Links \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 22:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com \| Vysor for Android: Remote control desktop app for Mac and Windows \| BGR		Aug 26 22:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com \| A unique twist on Android for broke college kids		Aug 26 22:39
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6513012	Aug 26 22:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: "Most people don't really realize that they have Linux and they do not really care" http://www.techrepublic.com/article/heres-the-one-major-problem-facing-munich-after-switching-from-windows-to-linux/		Aug 26 22:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techrepublic.com \| Here's the one 'major problem' facing Munich after switching from Windows to Linux - TechRepublic [ http://ur1.ca/nke6q ]		Aug 26 22:51
schestowitz	"Freedom or slavery ?"	Aug 26 22:51
schestowitz	Not trained to think of these terms	Aug 26 22:51
schestowitz	*in	Aug 26 22:51
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/636656753413787652	Aug 26 22:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz A bit like how Android has been able to tab since ICS or how Apple think they invented the smartwatch..... Samsung wear anyone?		Aug 26 22:53
*DaemonFC wonders what's up with hipsters gentrifying bad beer.		Aug 26 22:57
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cubexyz	went to best buy to look for chromebooks for a customer	Aug 26 23:01
cubexyz	an utter waste of time	Aug 26 23:01
MinceR	i thought all beer was bad	Aug 26 23:01
cubexyz	they had a huge section of windows 10 laptops	Aug 26 23:01
cubexyz	and the sales staff was utterly clueless	Aug 26 23:02
schestowitz	best buy?	Aug 26 23:02
schestowitz	wrong place to look	Aug 26 23:02
schestowitz	!google best buy techrights	Aug 26 23:02
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Microsoft's Latest Anti-GNU/Linux Moves Are Sign of ... - Techrights \| http://techrights.org/2009/09/04/signs-of-agony-at-best-buy/	Aug 26 23:02
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - An Open, Gentler Microsoft: The Best Illusion Only Novell Can Buy ... \| http://techrights.org/2008/05/02/novell-openly-delusional/	Aug 26 23:02
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Dell \| Techrights \| http://techrights.org/category/dell/	Aug 26 23:02
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Links 23/7/2015: New RHEL Release, Capital One ... - Techrights \| http://techrights.org/2015/07/23/new-rhel-release/	Aug 26 23:02
cubexyz	indeed they were	Aug 26 23:02
schestowitz	not good results above	Aug 26 23:02
schestowitz	but I wrote like half a dozen articles about how they helped MSFT attack Linux	Aug 26 23:02
schestowitz	actively	Aug 26 23:02
schestowitz	Amazon isn't too bad for Linux laptops	Aug 26 23:03
schestowitz	or Chromebooks	Aug 26 23:03
schestowitz	But Amazon is evil, I'd never buy from them	Aug 26 23:03
cubexyz	yeah I'm just going to shop online somewhere	Aug 26 23:03
cubexyz	there really isn't any good computer stores around here	Aug 26 23:04
schestowitz	DaemonFC: thanks for the vista10 links above	Aug 26 23:04
schestowitz	what are you looking for specifically and what's the budget for it?	Aug 26 23:04
schestowitz	I wrote about $50 discount at System76 today	Aug 26 23:05
cubexyz	repairable laptop with coreboot would be good	Aug 26 23:05
DaemonFC	cubexyz, Some older Macbooks can be reflashed with Coreboot.	Aug 26 23:05
DaemonFC	Like the 2007 models, I think.	Aug 26 23:06
cubexyz	no embedded controller support	Aug 26 23:07
cubexyz	from what I understand	Aug 26 23:07
DaemonFC	The problem is that people always want too much for older Macs, even the ones that are really old and haven't been supported by Apple in a long time. They have no idea what their stuff is actually worth.	Aug 26 23:08
cubexyz	I'll probably get a Lenovo X200	Aug 26 23:08
cubexyz	or a chromebook	Aug 26 23:08
MinceR	if they had an idea, they would never have bought them in the first place	Aug 26 23:08
DaemonFC	A few years ago, I tried to get a G4 cube just to screw around with, and the guy was demanding like $300 for it.	Aug 26 23:08
DaemonFC	I was like.....Really?	Aug 26 23:08
DaemonFC	He acted really insulted when I offered him $100.	Aug 26 23:09
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cubexyz	depends	Aug 26 23:09
cubexyz	some really old computers don't go for less than $500	Aug 26 23:09
cubexyz	age makes things valuable again	Aug 26 23:09
cubexyz	a working PDP-11 would go for a grand or more	Aug 26 23:10
DaemonFC	Apple also has a long history of not allowing users to install a new release of OS X that actually works on the computer, just to kill it off and get people to buy a new Mac sooner.	Aug 26 23:10
DaemonFC	http://lowendmac.com/2007/unsupported-os-x-10-5-leopard-installation/	Aug 26 23:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lowendmac.com \| Unsupported OS X 10.5 Leopard Installation \| Low End Mac [ http://ur1.ca/nkeet ]		Aug 26 23:10
DaemonFC	Like they did here.	Aug 26 23:11
MinceR	with hypeOS, they prefer to allow installing a new release that the hardware isn't even nearly powerful enough to run :>	Aug 26 23:11
MinceR	without downgrade, of course	Aug 26 23:11
DaemonFC	MinceR, Like iOS 7 on the iPhone 4.	Aug 26 23:11
cubexyz	there's no point in me ever going to these computer stores again	Aug 26 23:12
DaemonFC	The hardware wasn't even close to being good enough to handle it.	Aug 26 23:12
DaemonFC	Practically every function on the phone was slowed down by 25-30%. :)	Aug 26 23:12
DaemonFC	Of course, iPhone hardware isn't even good hardware when it's just been released.	Aug 26 23:12
XFaCE	MinceR: schestowitz https://www.linkedin.com/jobs2/view/69351652	Aug 26 23:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linkedin.com \| Technical Solutions Professional - Mobility at Microsoft in Ottawa, Canada - Job \| LinkedIn [ http://ur1.ca/nkefm ]		Aug 26 23:13
cubexyz	I like panasonic toughbooks	Aug 26 23:13
DaemonFC	1 GB of RAM and 16 GB of storage in 2015? Really?	Aug 26 23:13
DaemonFC	On a $650 phone? Really?	Aug 26 23:13
DaemonFC	:)	Aug 26 23:13
XFaCE	MinceR: schestowitz I think I'm becoming allergic to marketing	Aug 26 23:13
MinceR	lol	Aug 26 23:13
XFaCE	"Cloud computer is one step towards universal computing"	Aug 26 23:13
XFaCE	um	Aug 26 23:13
cubexyz	well I don't know about the $650 part but this computer I'm using now has 256 megs of ram	Aug 26 23:13
MinceR	more like universal surveillance and oppression	Aug 26 23:13
DaemonFC	This computer has 16 GB of RAM.	Aug 26 23:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 5 great new amazing apps for your Android phone	Aug 26 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	or tablet, #4 is incredible	Aug 26 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/oVGpzNaKBx (www.komando.com)	Aug 26 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkeg1	Aug 26 23:14
DaemonFC	I think big. B-)	Aug 26 23:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.komando.com \| 5 great new amazing apps for your Android phone or tablet, #4 is incredible \| Komando.com		Aug 26 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Pintasking brings easy multi-tasking to just	Aug 26 23:14
XFaCE	MinceR: universal draconianism? XD	Aug 26 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	about any Android device http://t.co/KyPqGPbtz1	Aug 26 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	(thenextweb.com)	Aug 26 23:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenextweb.com \| Pintasking brings multi-tasking to just about any Android device		Aug 26 23:14
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Basic Principles of Security (and Why They	Aug 26 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	Matter) http://t.co/9MDMf6uwhk (www.ocsmag.com)	Aug 26 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	why gnu linux has inherently better security	Aug 26 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkeg8	Aug 26 23:14
DaemonFC	The memory requirements for Windows have actually gone down quite a bit.	Aug 26 23:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ocsmag.com \| The Basic Principles of Security (and Why They Matter) \| OCS-Mag		Aug 26 23:14
cubexyz	ha, I can pick up an X200 for $70	Aug 26 23:14
MinceR	Ba'al: You cannot be serious.	Aug 26 23:14
MinceR	Brigadier General Jack O'Neill: Yes I can. I just choose not to, some of the time.	Aug 26 23:14
MinceR	Ba'al: With your insolence, you are dooming not just your world but all of humanity.	Aug 26 23:14
MinceR	Brigadier General Jack O'Neill: I think big.	Aug 26 23:14
DaemonFC	Any system that could run Vista should run Windows 10.	Aug 26 23:14
DaemonFC	The question is, why would you want to?	Aug 26 23:14
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DaemonFC	The cost to upgrade to 10 would be a good chunk of the cost of a faster computer that already comes with it.	Aug 26 23:15
MinceR	no, they shouldn't	Aug 26 23:15
XFaCE	MinceR: Universal Computing *must be in US	Aug 26 23:15
MinceR	vista10 turns the malware and botnet functionality up to 11	Aug 26 23:15
cubexyz	ha	Aug 26 23:16
DaemonFC	Their first three updates each left a bunch of PCs that couldn't boot after installing them.	Aug 26 23:16
DaemonFC	The quality control is worse than it's ever been, even by Microsoft's standards.	Aug 26 23:16
XFaCE	DaemonFC: When I was running Arch Linux, I had several rolling release upgrades (obv)	Aug 26 23:17
XFaCE	never bricked the system	Aug 26 23:17
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oiaohm	DaemonFC: should is a horrible word when person uses it with out facts. People have already found some drivers from Windows 8.1 8.0 7 and Vista don't work with 10	Aug 26 23:17
XFaCE	fantastic	Aug 26 23:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A unique twist on Android for broke college	Aug 26 23:21
TweetTuxMachines	kids http://t.co/2WRIIJcVP5	Aug 26 23:21
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/636661521259499520	Aug 26 23:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrendanEich: @ch_s Good piece, "not wrong" but getting OS scaled to non-abusive revenue opp'ty looks very hard. FYI 1000+ Moz heads in 2014. @schestowitz		Aug 26 23:31
schestowitz	XFaCE: I've just looked at the job ad	Aug 26 23:33
schestowitz	Anything special about it?	Aug 26 23:33
schestowitz	[23:13] <XFaCE> MinceR: schestowitz I think I'm becoming allergic to marketing	Aug 26 23:34
schestowitz	!google bill hicks marketing	Aug 26 23:34
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schestowitz	[23:13] <XFaCE> "Cloud computer is one step towards universal computing"	Aug 26 23:34
schestowitz	Yeah	Aug 26 23:34
schestowitz	IF YOU'RE ON ECSTASY!	Aug 26 23:34
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/636668758577311744	Aug 26 23:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Yeah, "universal computing"... Where all you have is a dumb thin client.		Aug 26 23:37
schestowitz	Also thick client (the person who falls into this "cloud" trap)	Aug 26 23:38
MinceR	:>	Aug 26 23:41
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6513262	Aug 26 23:42
schestowitz	"I swear to crap, if I see one more hooded white dude at a laptop…"	Aug 26 23:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #GitHub combats #DDoS cyberattack http://www.zdnet.com/article/github-combats-ddos-cyberattack/#ftag=RSSbaffb68 "a wide combination of attack vectors" - typical, hard to combat		Aug 26 23:42
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schestowitz	This time, for a CHANGE, it's not Matt Lee	Aug 26 23:42
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/636669573517983744	Aug 26 23:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Even worse: thick enough to contain valuable data but still a slave to the "cloud" overlord.		Aug 26 23:48
oiaohm	DaemonFC: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-au/windows-10/upgrade-install-errors-windows-10 Code 0x800F0923 incompatible driver or software. Yep really helpful that they did not issue 2 error codes.	Aug 26 23:49
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/636671927407525892	Aug 26 23:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Macolyte: someone who thinks Apple has invented anything.		Aug 26 23:58
MinceR	:>	Aug 26 23:59
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/636672579311239170 https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/636672794814640128	Aug 26 23:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz Remember going to the LinuxCon in Edinburgh. The Tizen people didn't seem to know very much. Or anything.		Aug 26 23:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz Yes. Much control freakery. Not much intellect or knowledge.		Aug 26 23:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE's Plasma 5.4: The most advanced and	Aug 27 00:03
TweetTuxMachines	beautiful Linux desktop http://t.co/m4KMdQTRXl	Aug 27 00:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Leftovers http://t.co/BJunVCxj2q	Aug 27 00:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE's Plasma 5.4: The most advanced and	Aug 27 00:03
TweetTuxMachines	beautiful Linux desktop http://t.co/dKvnMDpfV1	Aug 27 00:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Plex Home Theater 1.4.1 updated for Debian/sid	Aug 27 00:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How Scotland can protect itself from GCHQ	Aug 27 00:51
TweetTuxMachines	spying by going open source	Aug 27 00:51
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Zfu1FgUs7q (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 00:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Games http://t.co/ThRRqSqGEF	Aug 27 00:52
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schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3ii4ym/microsoft_at_linuxcon/	Aug 27 01:19
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schestowitz	"	Aug 27 01:19
schestowitz	“I’ve killed at least two Mac conferences. [...] by injecting Microsoft content into the conference, the conference got shut down. The guy who ran it said, why am I doing this?”	Aug 27 01:19
schestowitz	What the hell, this is an actual quote?	Aug 27 01:19
schestowitz	At enemy conferences you gather intelligence. You go to the enemy sessions, see what they’re saying, talk to people, be nice. Just be super nice. You never say anything rude [...] You can occasionally go up and say, “Hi, this was a really great presentation. Thank you very much for doing it. I had a question about one of these things. You said it would be shipping by when, exactly?” OK. That kind of thing is OK. You’re just	Aug 27 01:19
schestowitz	asking for very general information that anyone else could have asked. But even then it’s better to get somebody...some shill to go up and ask the question for you. I mean, if you’re at a conference like that, hopefully you know some people there. Get them to go ask the question for you, what the hell.	Aug 27 01:19
schestowitz	So at [...] conferences [...] controlled by the enemy vendor, just gather information. At independent conferences, subvert them. Find the people who choose who goes on the agenda and who doesn’t. Send that person all the free software in the world they want. Find out if their kids are in school, find out what school they go to, send them free software; see what kind of car they drive, send them a little keyring with that car’s logo	Aug 27 01:19
schestowitz	on it, you know. Anything, anything. Love those people. Just suck up to them so hard your face collapses. I mean, those people…those people are so valuable to you, it’s beyond belief, because they control who goes on that session or not. At last week’s Macworld expo, I had a session added to the conference agenda called Windows95 Programming for Macintosh Developers. At Macworld! Can you imagine?	Aug 27 01:19
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2009/02/08/microsoft-evilness-galore/	Aug 27 01:19
schestowitz	"	Aug 27 01:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| 66 Pages of Microsoft Evilness \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/ejg20 ]		Aug 27 01:19
schestowitz	"That's what I think. "Join them and hope they go under but use them while we can.""	Aug 27 01:19
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6513751	Aug 27 01:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This headline is a lie http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2015/08/munich-officials-who-dumped-windows-for-linux-want-microsofts-os-back/ it's not the same officials, there's no change of mind, just 2 dissenting voices		Aug 27 01:29
schestowitz	"Yeah. I read the news and the headline is deceiving, but I guess they have to get ad revenue."	Aug 27 01:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.gizmodo.co.uk \| Munich Officials Who Dumped Windows For Linux Want Microsoft's OS Back \| Gizmodo UK [ http://ur1.ca/nkg9j ]		Aug 27 01:29
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507022	Aug 27 01:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: By trying to warp #MH17 story in some of the most ridiculous of ways, #kremlin ensures that nobody will ever trust any of its words again		Aug 27 01:30
schestowitz	"Russian influence in Brazil is growing as fast as the chinese. This is happenning in all countries of the Foro de SP."	Aug 27 01:30
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/636696435937931264 https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/636696923936825344	Aug 27 01:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: Sadly true & most of the "innovation" promoted by commercial popularizers is neither original nor really beneficial. https://t.co/lsIS3iSBLH		Aug 27 01:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Popularising something or making it widespread mostly a function of how much market clout one already has, not the degree of innovation		Aug 27 01:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: The idea that a relatively weak country can force stronger ones into a war, merely by refusing to disarm itself ! https://t.co/Dsp1GfQ9Xm		Aug 27 01:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The Iran Nuclear Deal: Give Diplomacy a Chance http://t.co/i4B1wLOoO4 #war is for losers		Aug 27 01:37
MinceR	war does tend to have a winner, though	Aug 27 01:39
schestowitz	not even arms manufacturers?	Aug 27 01:39
schestowitz	I guess neither side collectively wins	Aug 27 01:39
schestowitz	but some elements in both sides have something to gain	Aug 27 01:39
schestowitz	politicians in the business of "protecting the people from war they create"	Aug 27 01:40
schestowitz	builders who reconstruct later	Aug 27 01:40
schestowitz	weapons companies	Aug 27 01:40
schestowitz	and so on	Aug 27 01:40
MinceR	indeed, arms manufacturers tend to win	Aug 27 01:40
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 27 01:43
DaemonFC	"takes that long to push the cart past"	Aug 27 01:43
DaemonFC	Sir, this is America. Surely you mean riding the electric scooter carts because you're too obese to walk, while the 90 year old lady has to walk.	Aug 27 01:43
MinceR	lol	Aug 27 01:43
MinceR	at least the lady lives to be 90 years old	Aug 27 01:43
schestowitz	I saw that	Aug 27 01:43
schestowitz	in florida supermarkets	Aug 27 01:43
schestowitz	they have lots of people riding electric vehicles	Aug 27 01:44
DaemonFC	MinceR, There are electric ponies and cows and unicorns at the mall in Fort Wayne.	Aug 27 01:44
DaemonFC	$7 for half an hour or $12 for an hour.	Aug 27 01:44
schestowitz	I bet the golf cart market would bloom if this carries on	Aug 27 01:44
MinceR	DaemonFC: are they mobile?	Aug 27 01:44
schestowitz	people DRIVING their way through the supermarkets in Miami	Aug 27 01:44
DaemonFC	I'm planning to go back there with John so we can film ourselves riding them around the mall.	Aug 27 01:44
MinceR	the ones i've seen only move in place	Aug 27 01:44
MinceR	:)	Aug 27 01:44
DaemonFC	MinceR, Yeah, but they say 250 pound weight limit. They crossed out 300 with a sharpie marker. So, I'm guessing they gambled and lost one of their unicorns. :)	Aug 27 01:45
schestowitz	United states, where people have wheels for legs... but only when they're obese anough	Aug 27 01:45
MinceR	lol	Aug 27 01:46
MinceR	when will they start needing to reinforce the floor? :>	Aug 27 01:46
DaemonFC	MinceR, Already done.	Aug 27 01:47
MinceR	:)	Aug 27 01:47
DaemonFC	The floors at Walmart also absorb spills so people don't slip and sue Walmart.	Aug 27 01:47
DaemonFC	When I worked there, someone was pulling a pallet of pickles that fell over onto said floor and made a gigantic mark that's still there 8 years later.	Aug 27 01:47
DaemonFC	B-)	Aug 27 01:47
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schestowitz	LOL	Aug 27 01:48
schestowitz	Mister Pickle	Aug 27 01:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Documents collections dialog redone	Aug 27 01:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/aGehVMMomt	Aug 27 01:49
TweetTuxMachines	(itsallaboutfreedom.wordpress.com)	Aug 27 01:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Boston Summit 2015 to be held 10-12 October	Aug 27 01:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/n5GHUqo9yA (www.gnome.org)	Aug 27 01:49
TweetTuxMachines	"GNOME’s annual event in North America"	Aug 27 01:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnome.org \| Boston Summit 2015 to be held 10-12 October – GNOME		Aug 27 01:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/STRlto3NdL	Aug 27 01:49
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 01:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Aug 27 01:49
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DaemonFC	Yeah, apparently the floor did its job a little bit too well with the vinegar from the pickle jars.	Aug 27 01:49
schestowitz	I slipped some months ago in Singapore	Aug 27 01:49
schestowitz	someone dropped something	Aug 27 01:49
schestowitz	so they clearned the floor	Aug 27 01:49
schestowitz	left it wet, no signage to say it's wet	Aug 27 01:50
DaemonFC	Oww	Aug 27 01:50
schestowitz	that was in the hotel, luckily not much but a near split from me	Aug 27 01:50
schestowitz	with one foot down the small stairs	Aug 27 01:50
schestowitz	and some bangers on the floor	Aug 27 01:50
schestowitz	no broken glass	Aug 27 01:50
DaemonFC	I think the worst accident I've ever been in was when I gashed my head open after slipping on a puddle of oil in the forklift bay at a place I used to work at. They made it my fault of course.	Aug 27 01:56
DaemonFC	After the hospital trip that declared me "fit for light duty" without even letting me go home and wash the blood off.	Aug 27 01:57
DaemonFC	I've been in a car accident, but the drunk that caused it got the worse end of that because I was driving a decent car, and he had a PT Cruiser. :P	Aug 27 01:58
DaemonFC	http://www.forbes.com/sites/micahsolomon/2014/12/29/5-traits-that-define-the-80-million-millennial-customers-coming-your-way/	Aug 27 01:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com \| 2015 Is The Year Of The Millennial Customer: 5 Key Traits These 80 Million Consumers Share [ http://ur1.ca/nkgok ]		Aug 27 01:59
DaemonFC	"They expect technology to simply work"	Aug 27 02:00
DaemonFC	Goes on to cite the iPhone, ignoring basically thousands of issues.	Aug 27 02:00
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DaemonFC	schestowitz, It's not just Florida.	Aug 27 02:18
DaemonFC	In 1990, 9% of the population of Indiana was obese.	Aug 27 02:18
DaemonFC	Now it's closing in on 40%.	Aug 27 02:18
DaemonFC	That's not counting the people who are overweight, but not to the point of obesity.	Aug 27 02:18
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DaemonFC	Eating junk and not moving.	Aug 27 02:19
DaemonFC	That's really what it boils down to.	Aug 27 02:19
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DaemonFC	schestowitz, It's getting worse. People aren't just rising the electric scooters anymore.	Aug 27 02:22
DaemonFC	Kroger has a new thing where you place your grocery order online and then there's a drive through window where you pick it up.	Aug 27 02:22
DaemonFC	How sad is that? Can't even get out of the car and walk around the supermarket for 20 minutes.	Aug 27 02:22
MinceR	webshops are sad now? :>	Aug 27 02:24
DaemonFC	People are too bloated to even go into the supermarket.	Aug 27 02:30
DaemonFC	MinceR, The ADA law is absurd as it is.	Aug 27 02:30
DaemonFC	Like 50 handicapped spots at the Walmart. Most are for compliance. Mostly empty.	Aug 27 02:31
DaemonFC	I call them Handy Crap spots because people commit fraud on the system to get a handicapped sticker when there's nothing wrong with them, just so they can get closer to the door.	Aug 27 02:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 hands-on: Finally, new	Aug 27 02:34
TweetTuxMachines	Android tablets http://t.co/M98ZXXpWHh	Aug 27 02:34
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GDK-PixBuf Vulnerability Closed in Ubuntu 15.04	Aug 27 02:34
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DaemonFC	http://trib.al/4ouEmfT	Aug 27 02:34
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-6 Officially Released with	Aug 27 02:34
TweetTuxMachines	Wi-Fi Hotspot, Custom Alarm Sounds, More	Aug 27 02:34
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DaemonFC	"Please train your bears to be where guests can see them," stated the customer feedback. "This was an expensive trip to not get to see Bears."	Aug 27 02:34
MinceR	they need Yogi Bear	Aug 27 02:34
DaemonFC	Some people need to be introduced to an 800 pound grizzly bear...	Aug 27 02:34
MinceR	"Smarter Than The Average Bear"	Aug 27 02:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Eclipse seeks donations for open source	Aug 27 02:35
TweetTuxMachines	development http://t.co/HQvxQPYCfL	Aug 27 02:35
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 02:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google Hopes Open Source Will Give Its Cloud A	Aug 27 02:35
TweetTuxMachines	Path To The Enterprise http://t.co/h89ZpZviH5	Aug 27 02:35
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 02:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Developer Contest in China Was a Great	Aug 27 02:35
TweetTuxMachines	Success, Here are the Winners	Aug 27 02:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/WSwxjRgPpM (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 02:35
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DaemonFC	MinceR, But then they'd just complain that their picnic baskets were missing!	Aug 27 02:49
MinceR	:>	Aug 27 02:49
MinceR	at least they'd survive	Aug 27 02:50
DaemonFC	Should they?	Aug 27 02:56
DaemonFC	That's what nobody ever asks.	Aug 27 02:56
MinceR	:>	Aug 27 02:58
MinceR	people are so preoccupied with whether or not they could survive that they don't stop to think if they should?	Aug 27 02:59
DaemonFC	No, I meant from the third person perspective.	Aug 27 03:03
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DaemonFC	http://deadspin.com/36-cheap-american-beers-ranked-638820035	Aug 27 03:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-deadspin.com \| 36 Cheap American Beers, Ranked [ http://ur1.ca/nkhqr ]		Aug 27 03:40
DaemonFC	Hipsters already started drinking Pabst to the point that the price has doubled.	Aug 27 03:41
DaemonFC	Plenty of bad beer left for now though. :)	Aug 27 03:41
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6513813	Aug 27 04:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 5-day change for the main #china stocks index: -23%. Market opens in 2 hours. The Chinese billionaires flee their own market, I guess.		Aug 27 04:00
schestowitz	"The Chinese billionaries surely flew already as other billionaries elsewhere."	Aug 27 04:00
schestowitz	Greener pastures	Aug 27 04:01
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6514021	Aug 27 04:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Abe Asks U.S. to Investigate Alleged NSA Spying on Japanese Government http://www.wsj.com/articles/abe-asks-u-s-to-investigate-alleged-nsa-spying-on-japanese-government-1440577772 watch #obama defend #nsa #espionage		Aug 27 04:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.wsj.com \| Abe Asks U.S. to Investigate Alleged NSA Spying on Japanese Government - WSJ [ http://ur1.ca/nkhye ]		Aug 27 04:01
schestowitz	"The US will say that never happened such spying and everybody will be happy forever."	Aug 27 04:01
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DaemonFC	I'm considering getting rid of my car after I move.	Aug 27 04:19
DaemonFC	It's a major expense and I can get a 30 day bus pass to go wherever I want for $15.	Aug 27 04:19
DaemonFC	I'll probably at least leave the car parked and take the bus during the winter. I hate driving on that crap.	Aug 27 04:19
DaemonFC	I probably waste $15 worth of gas just warming up the car each month when it's like that outside. :P	Aug 27 04:21
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DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Aug 27 06:14
DaemonFC	Just now ·	Aug 27 06:14
DaemonFC	I don't know. Dumber things have happened. Maybe he was hoping to get the judge from Apple's slide-to-unlock patent case.	Aug 27 06:14
DaemonFC	https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/08/26/a-man-in-puerto-rico-tried-to-copyright-a-basic-chicken-sandwich/	Aug 27 06:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com \| Man tries to copyright a chicken sandwich, learns that that’s completely ridiculous - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/nkjbb ]		Aug 27 06:14
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msb__	What if the chicken sandwich has rounded corners?	Aug 27 06:56
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Nyssen11/status/636735252661186560	Aug 27 09:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Nyssen11: @schestowitz it's the first Tizen Conference outside the US ...		Aug 27 09:35
schestowitz	What about India?	Aug 27 09:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ch_s/status/636772698207690752	Aug 27 09:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ch_s: @BrendanEich @schestowitz thanks!1000+?the number is impressive, outlines some revenue pressures (?) & may be either too much or not enough.		Aug 27 09:36
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Nyssen11/status/636820643909120000	Aug 27 09:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Nyssen11: @schestowitz India was not a Tizen Conference		Aug 27 09:42
schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3ii4ym/microsoft_at_linuxcon/	Aug 27 09:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com \| Microsoft at LinuxCon : linux [ http://ur1.ca/nkea9 ]		Aug 27 09:50
schestowitz	"	Aug 27 09:50
schestowitz	We have too many in jail for dumb crap.	Aug 27 09:50
schestowitz	I absolutely agree. But you also have too few in jail for serious crap.	Aug 27 09:50
schestowitz	"	Aug 27 09:50
schestowitz	"Gates is an idiot and pushing HIS agenda in some cases, getting involved with throwing his money into political ballot issues in the US itself. I don't appreciate his meddling in local politics."	Aug 27 09:50
DaemonFC	http://www.androidauthority.com/obi-worldphone-sf1-and-sj1-5-launched-by-former-apple-ceo-super-unique-and-affordable-637338/	Aug 27 10:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com \| Obi Worldphone SF1 and SJ1.5 launched by former Apple CEO - super unique and affordable [ http://ur1.ca/nklte ]		Aug 27 10:23
DaemonFC	Apple's former CEO is starting a company to make smartphones running Android.	Aug 27 10:24
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 27 10:41
DaemonFC	It is typical of the southern mindset. I have some southern family members that I absolutely despise. You can put them all together and they still aren't worth a squirrel fart.	Aug 27 10:41
DaemonFC	Makes the holidays a little awkward. I just won't talk to them. They're fools.	Aug 27 10:41
DaemonFC	I think my favorite is the Tea Party Uncle from Georgia whose son, girlfriend, and baby are living in the basement on welfare.	Aug 27 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Plumbers Conference 2015	Aug 27 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/RabgdgUhX0 (www.labbott.name)	Aug 27 10:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.labbott.name \| Something witty/insightful		Aug 27 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkm50	Aug 27 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Former Apple CEO, Beats Design Firm Team on	Aug 27 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	Sleek, Low-Cost Android Phones for Developing	Aug 27 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	World http://t.co/El7DdeH1RZ	Aug 27 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkm51	Aug 27 10:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Former Apple CEO, Beats Design Firm Team on Sleek, Low-Cost Android Phones for Developing World \| Tux Machines		Aug 27 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Review: New gadgets keep Samsung at Android	Aug 27 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	helm, but might not be enough to lure Apple	Aug 27 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	users http://t.co/8fX9g8rjCz	Aug 27 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkm55	Aug 27 10:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Review: New gadgets keep Samsung at Android helm, but might not be enough to lure Apple users \| Tux Machines		Aug 27 10:53
schestowitz	> http://www.itwire.com/your-it-news/home-it/69189-windows-10-uptake-on-schedule	Aug 27 10:59
schestowitz	>	Aug 27 10:59
schestowitz	>	Aug 27 10:59
schestowitz	> The only question his how they are fiddling the stats.	Aug 27 10:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itwire.com \| iTWire - Windows 10 uptake on schedule [ http://ur1.ca/nkm75 ]		Aug 27 10:59
schestowitz	These claims are from Microsoft, they debunk some early claims that the media cited a lot (45 million or 55 million after 3 days), and since they come from Microsoft, based on how it always gamed the numbers ('sales' not meaning actual sales or even users), we know these are lies. Look at web stats from some of the more respected sources. Maybe 5% market share (or less) at the moment, which given the price and other factors, is truly	Aug 27 10:59
schestowitz	pathetic.	Aug 27 10:59
schestowitz	BTW, the author is a known Microsoft booster.	Aug 27 10:59
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Morality124/status/636841852734304257	Aug 27 11:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Morality124: @schestowitz Why :(?		Aug 27 11:12
schestowitz	not a fan of systemd	Aug 27 11:13
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Morality124/status/636844169521041408	Aug 27 11:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Morality124: @schestowitz Jacob isn't?		Aug 27 11:16
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schestowitz	I have another article coming about the EPO... the 5th suicide. I will wait until the date and then publish the article about the IU.	Aug 27 11:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is There Such a Thing as Too Many GNU/Linux	Aug 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	Distributions? http://t.co/VRXyEg0V3e	Aug 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkmip	Aug 27 11:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Is There Such a Thing as Too Many GNU/Linux Distributions? \| Tux Machines		Aug 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Scientific Linux 6.7 Officially Released, Based	Aug 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.7	Aug 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TEbSzhu7jy (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkmiq	Aug 27 11:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Scientific Linux 6.7 Officially Released, Based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.7 \| Tux Machines		Aug 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 hands-on: Finally, new	Aug 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	Android tablets http://t.co/YrdgbGtPa1	Aug 27 11:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.slashgear.com \| Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 hands-on: Finally, new Android tablets - SlashGear		Aug 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	(www.slashgear.com)	Aug 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkmis	Aug 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How to Ready Yourself for Linux: Nine Tips	Aug 27 11:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/I4HBP1Ryre (www.datamation.com)	Aug 27 11:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkmk6	Aug 27 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datamation.com \| How to Ready Yourself for Linux: Nine Tips - Datamation		Aug 27 11:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GDK-PixBuf Vulnerability Closed in Ubuntu 15.04	Aug 27 11:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/yahC3Ao4Rk (linux.softpedia.com)	Aug 27 11:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkmk8	Aug 27 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| GDK-PixBuf Vulnerability Closed in Ubuntu 15.04 - Softpedia		Aug 27 11:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-6 Officially Released with	Aug 27 11:32
TweetTuxMachines	Wi-Fi Hotspot, Custom Alarm Sounds, More	Aug 27 11:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/upVwwg6sJ3 (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 27 11:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkmk9	Aug 27 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Touch OTA-6 Officially Released with Wi-Fi Hotspot, Custom Alarm Sounds, More - Softpedia		Aug 27 11:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch's Telegram App 2.0 to Arrive Next	Aug 27 11:41
TweetTuxMachines	Month Based on TelegramQML	Aug 27 11:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/p1HGVhP3Xs (linux.softpedia.com)	Aug 27 11:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkmng	Aug 27 11:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Touch's Telegram App 2.0 to Arrive Next Month Based on TelegramQML - Softpedia		Aug 27 11:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Developer Contest in China Was a Great	Aug 27 11:41
TweetTuxMachines	Success, Here are the Winners	Aug 27 11:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/SGzjafMYzn (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 27 11:41
TweetTuxMachines	#china #linux	Aug 27 11:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Developer Contest in China Was a Great Success, Here Are the Winners - Softpedia		Aug 27 11:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkmnh	Aug 27 11:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Review: New gadgets keep Samsung at Android	Aug 27 11:41
TweetTuxMachines	helm, but might not be enough to lure Apple	Aug 27 11:41
TweetTuxMachines	users http://t.co/6X2EZum22x	Aug 27 11:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.startribune.com)	Aug 27 11:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkmni	Aug 27 11:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.startribune.com \| Review: New phones, tablets keep Samsung at Android helm - StarTribune.com		Aug 27 11:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is There Such a Thing as Too Many GNU/Linux	Aug 27 11:44
TweetTuxMachines	Distributions? http://t.co/vbnWCgY8CW	Aug 27 11:44
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Aug 27 11:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Is There Such a Thing as Too Many GNU/Linux Distributions? - Softpedia		Aug 27 11:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkmp0	Aug 27 11:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Scientific Linux 6.7 Officially Released, Based	Aug 27 11:45
TweetTuxMachines	on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.7	Aug 27 11:45
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/3CPKKpHUol (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 27 11:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkmp2	Aug 27 11:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Scientific Linux 6.7 Officially Released, Based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.7 - Softpedia		Aug 27 11:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hardened Linux stalwarts grsecurity pull the	Aug 27 11:45
TweetTuxMachines	pin after legal fight http://t.co/YXEtjWmDzH	Aug 27 11:45
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theregister.co.uk)	Aug 27 11:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Hardened Linux stalwarts grsecurity pull the pin after legal fight • The Register		Aug 27 11:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkmp3	Aug 27 11:45
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/636850546486431744	Aug 27 11:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Kind of like @SamsungUK @schestowitz. Use mine everywhere.		Aug 27 11:46
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/laurelrusswurm/status/636852254524444672	Aug 27 11:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@laurelrusswurm: @schestowitz No. :)		Aug 27 11:47
schestowitz	Like "too many cars"	Aug 27 11:47
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/636850885348339712	Aug 27 11:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz "If [BBC] was a car industry, our ministers would be out championing it overseas, trying to win contracts"		Aug 27 11:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines All of Your Favorite PCLinuxOS Editions Are Now	Aug 27 11:52
TweetTuxMachines	Available into a Single ISO Image	Aug 27 11:52
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/d4pKbp8qfM (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 27 11:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkms1	Aug 27 11:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| All of Your Favorite PCLinuxOS Editions Are Now Available into a Single ISO Image - Softpedia		Aug 27 11:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Developer Suggests Non-Windowing Display	Aug 27 11:53
TweetTuxMachines	Server Layer for Wayland http://t.co/znHfQ87bE4	Aug 27 11:53
TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	Aug 27 11:53
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkms3	Aug 27 11:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Raspberry Pi is succeeding in ways its	Aug 27 11:53
TweetTuxMachines	makers almost imagined http://t.co/IThajM2KAl	Aug 27 11:53
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theregister.co.uk)	Aug 27 11:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| The Raspberry Pi is succeeding in ways its makers almost imagined • The Register		Aug 27 11:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkms4	Aug 27 11:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Liquorix Kernel Is Still Ticking, Currently	Aug 27 11:53
TweetTuxMachines	Based On Linux 4.1 http://t.co/VopdKTgOUz	Aug 27 11:53
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Aug 27 11:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| The Liquorix Kernel Is Still Ticking, Currently Based On Linux 4.1 - Phoronix		Aug 27 11:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkms5	Aug 27 11:53
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/636853182212272129	Aug 27 11:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: I don't know why anyone should use paypal https://t.co/rrEoiQY5El		Aug 27 11:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #paypal had a glitch, took double payment. After almost a dozen messages I'm entering day two of nuisance. PayPal's fault. Bad service.		Aug 27 11:53
schestowitz	Long-distance payments without having to go to a physical bank	Aug 27 11:53
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Aug 27 11:55
DaemonFC	1 min ·	Aug 27 11:55
DaemonFC	I'm shocked. A site that helps people break their marriage vows and then commits extortion against the cheater when they want their account deleted broke their promise to delete the data.	Aug 27 11:55
DaemonFC	smile emoticon	Aug 27 11:55
DaemonFC	"Ashley Madison required a $19 fee if you wanted to permanently delete your data from the website. Turns out, even after you paid, they didn't delete all your data."	Aug 27 11:55
DaemonFC	http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2015/08/ashley-madison-faces-proposed-class-action-suit-over-half-deleted-data/	Aug 27 11:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.co.uk \| Ashley Madison faces proposed class-action lawsuit over half-deleted data \| Ars Technica UK [ http://ur1.ca/nkmsv ]		Aug 27 11:55
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/laurelrusswurm/status/636854449848340480	Aug 27 12:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@laurelrusswurm: @schestowitz For me it would be "too many books"		Aug 27 12:01
schestowitz	So much choice, it's confusing!!	Aug 27 12:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-7 Arrives in October with	Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	Vibration and Accelerometer Access for Web Apps	Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/1a8lkUlj86 (linux.softpedia.com)	Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkmvd	Aug 27 12:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Touch OTA-7 Arrives in October with Vibration and Accelerometer Access for Web Apps - Softpedia		Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Video Arcade Gets a Major Release with	Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	Compatibility for Latest MAME and GTK3	Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/1a8lkUlj86 (linux.softpedia.com)	Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkmve	Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why FreeBSD should not adopt launchd	Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/0a2p4QINX8 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkmvh	Aug 27 12:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Why FreeBSD should not adopt launchd \| Tux Machines		Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Liquorix Kernel Is Still Ticking, Currently	Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	Based On Linux 4.1 http://t.co/FQIS5S7k4W	Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 12:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Liquorix Kernel Is Still Ticking, Currently Based On Linux 4.1 \| Tux Machines		Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkmvj	Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Raspberry Pi is succeeding in ways its	Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	makers almost imagined http://t.co/BT57LlS4Mg	Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 12:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Raspberry Pi is succeeding in ways its makers almost imagined \| Tux Machines		Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkmvk	Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-7 Arrives in October with	Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	Vibration and Accelerometer Access for Web Apps	Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/3A306hupoT (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkmvl	Aug 27 12:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Touch OTA-7 Arrives in October with Vibration and Accelerometer Access for Web Apps \| Tux Machines		Aug 27 12:02
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DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Aug 27 12:07
DaemonFC	Just now ·	Aug 27 12:07
DaemonFC	It turns out that Ashley Madison was even more of a sausagefest than originally reported. Men weren't 95% of the accounts. They were more like 99.5% of the accounts. It's been useful as a honeypot though. I wonder how many more Republican officials and right-wing Christians will be discovered among the 35 million profiles. They already found Josh Duggar and a few others, and is anyone surprised?	Aug 27 12:07
DaemonFC	http://gizmodo.com/almost-none-of-the-women-in-the-ashley-madison-database-1725558944	Aug 27 12:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gizmodo.com \| Almost None of the Women in the Ashley Madison Database Ever Used the Site [ http://ur1.ca/nkmx7 ]		Aug 27 12:07
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/636857372175114240	Aug 27 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: @schestowitz do not.! use paypal.		Aug 27 12:10
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/laurelrusswurm/status/636859164057292800	Aug 27 12:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@laurelrusswurm: @schestowitz Like banks that are exempt from (even the inadequate) regulations banks must follow #justsaynotopaypal		Aug 27 12:16
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Inside_Jobber/status/636859510846586880	Aug 27 12:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Inside_Jobber: @schestowitz Good logic. If there were no women on there, they weren't cheating, so lets find some other dirt on 'em.		Aug 27 12:16
schestowitz	DaemonFC: ^	Aug 27 12:18
DaemonFC	It's sort of funny.	Aug 27 12:21
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DaemonFC	Millions of men keep paying to keep their account going, and there are only about 12,000 women on the entire site.	Aug 27 12:22
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/laurelrusswurm/status/636860979742121984	Aug 27 12:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@laurelrusswurm: @schestowitz The sad part is #copyright ing a chicken sandwhich is no more unreasonable than copyrighting any intellectual property.		Aug 27 12:22
schestowitz	DaemonFC: probably ugly ones, too	Aug 27 12:24
schestowitz	once whose spouses don't want to do anything with them	Aug 27 12:24
schestowitz	DaemonFC: using phantom accounts an old trick	Aug 27 12:24
schestowitz	see how Facebook stated	Aug 27 12:24
schestowitz	and the stunt Zuck made before that	Aug 27 12:24
schestowitz	scraping people's profiles from the Web to make up 'members'	Aug 27 12:25
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-NickServ-schestowitz!~roy@host86-157-135-245.range86-157.btcentralplus.com has just authenticated as you (schestowitz)		Aug 27 12:25
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/636861338938134528	Aug 27 12:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: "Облако" значит, что Ваши данные не будут удалены. Даже если Вы попросите. Даже если Вы заплатите за Премиум аккаунт https://t.co/OlJs4gzzsh		Aug 27 12:26
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/636857372175114240	Aug 27 12:26
cubexyz	my advice is keep your own server and sit beside it :)	Aug 27 12:26
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Grand Theft Auto V parodied Facebook.	Aug 27 12:27
cubexyz	I can't believe how bad Microsoft was in the beginning	Aug 27 12:27
MinceR	075608 < msb__> What if the chicken sandwich has rounded corners?	Aug 27 12:27
DaemonFC	They called it LifeInvader and you go on a mission to put a bomb in the phone of the parody of Zuckerberg to blow his head off on the news.	Aug 27 12:27
MinceR	lawsuit.	Aug 27 12:27
cubexyz	of course they were bad later, but even at the start they were parasites	Aug 27 12:28
cubexyz	dumpster diving and cannibalizing other companies BASIC source code, then buying QDOS for $50K to make MSDOS	Aug 27 12:29
MinceR	and qdos itself was stolen from DRI	Aug 27 12:30
cubexyz	based on CP/M system calls certainly	Aug 27 12:31
XRevan86	MinceR: It's like saying Linux was stolen from Bell Labs.	Aug 27 12:31
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cubexyz	it's indisputable that Paterson copied CP/M's API, including the first 36 functions with minor changes	Aug 27 12:35
cubexyz	Apple Stole from Xerox	Aug 27 12:37
cubexyz	there's no doubt in my mind about that	Aug 27 12:37
schestowitz	DaemonFC: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNCdZHqUcAQujvt.jpg	Aug 27 12:37
cubexyz	use the word copied if you prefer	Aug 27 12:37
cubexyz	there was the Computer Software Copyright Act of 1980	Aug 27 12:40
cubexyz	so DRI could have sued	Aug 27 12:40
cubexyz	it might have been 26 function calls, sources seem to vary	Aug 27 12:42
cubexyz	Zeidman was an expert witness for... Microsoft	Aug 27 12:42
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Anti_Gnostic/status/636865939489685505	Aug 27 12:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Anti_Gnostic: @dawnbazely @tylercowen @schestowitz And yet, despite the lack of such protections, innovation flourishes. IP law is arttificial scarcity		Aug 27 12:43
schestowitz	and jacking up of priced for the benefit of few already-rich people	Aug 27 12:44
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/636866398665461760	Aug 27 12:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz @tylercowen, I always give credit for the cookbooks & recipes I use (usually, @DeliaOnline & @lucywaverman 🍳🍲🍱🍵🍰🍪🍝)		Aug 27 12:44
schestowitz	Attribution is good	Aug 27 12:45
cubexyz	some folks even say CP/M was copied from TOPS-10 :)	Aug 27 12:45
cubexyz	so everyone copies from everyone	Aug 27 12:45
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/636863784464814081	Aug 27 12:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: Why no patent or copyright for new food recipes? By @tylercowen https://t.co/er6XGXjK1W HT @schestowitz		Aug 27 12:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2006/10/why_no_patent_o.html#sthash.qfN2PWAH.uxfs&st_refDomain=&st_refQuery= )		Aug 27 12:45
cubexyz	GEM mimicked the Xerox Alto	Aug 27 12:46
cubexyz	Gates father was a lawyer and GEM was not allowed to be developed for the PC	Aug 27 12:49
cubexyz	fair? Of course not	Aug 27 12:49
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/636867569513820160 https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/636867683900911616	Aug 27 12:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @Anti_Gnostic, I wonder how the IP aspects of lab. protocols compare with recipes? Cooking IS kitchen chemistry cc @tylercowen @schestowitz		Aug 27 12:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz Yup. @Anti_Gnostic @tylercowen		Aug 27 12:49
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MinceR	http://ur1.ca/nknew	Aug 27 12:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ioerror: OH "Make America Hate Again"		Aug 27 12:59
MinceR	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI6mfwLMwdc	Aug 27 13:07
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cubexyz	Paterson lost his court case	Aug 27 13:12
cubexyz	read about Paterson vs Little/Brown	Aug 27 13:13
cubexyz	Mauchly studied Atanasoff's computer before making the ENIAC	Aug 27 13:15
cubexyz	DRI also created a souped up MSDOS called DRDOS	Aug 27 13:16
cubexyz	some say that CP/M resembles DOS-11, the original PDP-11 operating system	Aug 27 13:17
cubexyz	there's still some traces of CP/M in windows	Aug 27 13:19
cubexyz	DOS API call to 0005 in the PSP	Aug 27 13:19
cubexyz	now why would that be in windows?	Aug 27 13:19
cubexyz	the call is an exact imitation of CP/M	Aug 27 13:20
MinceR	https://www.fireeye.com/blog/threat-research/2015/08/ins0mnia_unlimited.html	Aug 27 13:20
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cubexyz	CP/M's PIP was copied from a DEC OS, I forget which one	Aug 27 13:20
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TweetTuxMachines	Compatibility for Latest MAME and GTK3	Aug 27 13:22
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cubexyz	FAT could come from RT/11, which is an old DEC format	Aug 27 13:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Pillars of Eternity: The White March Part One	Aug 27 13:22
TweetTuxMachines	review: Just another chapter in a long tale	Aug 27 13:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Accelerated Announces New Embedded Linux	Aug 27 13:22
TweetTuxMachines	Distribution For The Internet Of Things	Aug 27 13:22
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cubexyz	Apple sued DRI over GEM	Aug 27 13:23
cubexyz	so GEM's adoption on PCs was severely curtailed	Aug 27 13:24
MinceR	and GEM itself was hamstrung for crApple's sake	Aug 27 13:25
cubexyz	GEM was reduced in functionality	Aug 27 13:25
cubexyz	so Apple weakened some of Microsoft's competitors	Aug 27 13:25
cubexyz	all GUIs derive from Xerox Parc	Aug 27 13:29
cubexyz	they invented the mouse, ethernet, WIMP	Aug 27 13:29
cubexyz	on the old PDP's, like PDP-4 you can see that they used a trackball	Aug 27 13:30
cubexyz	vector displays, not bitmapped	Aug 27 13:30
cubexyz	I think someone else would have invented something similar to what Xerox Parc did given time	Aug 27 13:31
cubexyz	had they not existed	Aug 27 13:32
cubexyz	look at the predecessor to X:	Aug 27 13:33
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/w-window-system.gif	Aug 27 13:34
cubexyz	it looks a lot like Xerox Alto's GUI	Aug 27 13:34
cubexyz	PERQ which came immediately after was invented by ex-Parc employees	Aug 27 13:38
cubexyz	Brian Rosen worked at Xerox PARC	Aug 27 13:39
cubexyz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PERQ	Aug 27 13:39
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cubexyz	ha	Aug 27 13:45
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenELEC 6.0 is coming soon	Aug 27 13:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "This Free Software Office is well known in	Aug 27 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	Spain for managing the biggest KDE deployment	Aug 27 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	in Spain" http://t.co/nRlD92viaH (error)	Aug 27 13:55
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cubexyz	Yggdrasil :)	Aug 27 13:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Teeworlds, The Free & Open Source 2D Battle	Aug 27 14:28
TweetTuxMachines	Game Is Now On Steam For Linux	Aug 27 14:28
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cubexyz	"ask Bill Gates why the string in MSDOS function 9 is terminated by a dollar sign" - Kildall	Aug 27 17:53
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cubexyz	http://dfarq.homeip.net/2012/08/the-cpm-dos-forensics-dont-prove-much/	Aug 27 17:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dfarq.homeip.net \| The CP/M-DOS forensics don’t prove much \| The Silicon Underground [ http://ur1.ca/nkqsy ]		Aug 27 17:56
cubexyz	msb__, I have a couple of remarks about your replace program	Aug 27 18:09
msb__	cubexyz: ok...	Aug 27 18:09
cubexyz	usually when I write a program I put the year and my name and some remarks about which compilers/operating systems it will work on	Aug 27 18:10
cubexyz	maybe a one liner saying it's GPL	Aug 27 18:10
msb__	It will probably work on any OS/compiler that it compiles on. 8^)	Aug 27 18:13
cubexyz	it's just sometimes when I look at very old code I wish the original programmer put that info in the comments	Aug 27 18:14
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MinceR	cubexyz: because the code Kildall wrote, SCP stole and m$ bought did it that way? :>	Aug 27 18:20
cubexyz	CP/M was mostly written in PL/M	Aug 27 18:22
cubexyz	so very unlikedly that Paterson copied the orginal PL/M source	Aug 27 18:22
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cubexyz	he probably dis-assembled the executables	Aug 27 18:22
cubexyz	Kildall was influenced by ALGOL	Aug 27 18:24
cubexyz	not sure why ALGOL fell out of favour	Aug 27 18:27
cubexyz	you ever run into ALGOL msb__?	Aug 27 18:28
msb__	I was very impressed with ALGOL and the Burroughs stack machines that run it. I have a manual somewhere for one of them. I have the Algol-68 document, which I read for entertainment.	Aug 27 18:30
msb__	At one time I had an ALGOL 60 car license-plate.	Aug 27 18:33
msb__	cubexyz: C requires less typing.	Aug 27 18:35
msb__	(keystrokes)	Aug 27 18:35
cubexyz	I sometimes use APL for that reason	Aug 27 18:36
cubexyz	fast math hacks	Aug 27 18:36
msb__	cubexyz: http://cosmicpenguin.com/linux/replace.cccc	Aug 27 18:40
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cubexyz	very very good :)	Aug 27 18:41
msb__	Thanks!	Aug 27 18:42
cubexyz	gcc warns about incompatible implicit declaration of function memmove so I added #include <memory.h>	Aug 27 18:43
msb__	does that fix it?	Aug 27 18:43
cubexyz	yes	Aug 27 18:43
cubexyz	older gcc doesn't complain about it	Aug 27 18:45
msb__	I guess I should have suggested changing the filename to replace.c unless you're using the C++++ compiler.	Aug 27 18:45
cubexyz	does your server run apache?	Aug 27 18:45
MinceR	:D	Aug 27 18:45
msb__	Yes, according to Lynx.	Aug 27 18:47
cubexyz	in mime.types just add:	Aug 27 18:48
cubexyz	text/plain asc text c	Aug 27 18:48
msb__	It's not my server. I don't want to mess with it.	Aug 27 18:48
cubexyz	ok	Aug 27 18:48
cubexyz	there's probably some stuff in mime.types I should remove	Aug 27 18:50
cubexyz	but then there's stuff like:	Aug 27 18:51
cubexyz	application/vnd.kde.kword	Aug 27 18:51
msb__	cubexyz: OK, I put in the #define and uploaded that version. I have a sneaking suspicion that if a program compiles with gcc without any warnings that I'm doing something wrong, but...	Aug 27 19:00
cubexyz	msb__, I tested it on gcc 3.3.2	Aug 27 19:00
cubexyz	no warning on that one	Aug 27 19:00
cubexyz	gcc 4.2.3 gave the warning	Aug 27 19:01
cubexyz	you could compare both executables, they could be exactly the same	Aug 27 19:01
cubexyz	I like to test stuff on multiple compilers	Aug 27 19:02
msb__	I've never found any two executables that are exactly the same.	Aug 27 19:02
msb__	I think the compiler secretly puts in the date and time. Maybe the phase of the Moon.	Aug 27 19:03
msb__	Anyhow, there it is. It's a very useful program.	Aug 27 19:04
cubexyz	generally newer gcc is more picky about includes and such	Aug 27 19:07
msb__	Yeah, the language keeps getting "improved", so it's no longer easy and fun.	Aug 27 19:08
msb__	Like putting "const" everywhere.	Aug 27 19:08
cubexyz	well I can talk about old cc if you like :)	Aug 27 19:08
msb__	I think that if a compiler wants helpful hints it should figure them out itself.	Aug 27 19:09
MinceR	const correctness helps prevent bugs	Aug 27 19:09
MinceR	the compiler wants "helpful hints" so it can figure out of the programmer made an error	Aug 27 19:09
msb__	I want a language that's easy and fun to write in, that doesn't require redundant crap everywhere.	Aug 27 19:11
msb__	I think my favorite version of C was the one just before "const" was invented.	Aug 27 19:12
msb__	I think I have some Harbison & Steele book on that one.	Aug 27 19:12
MinceR	is looking for your own errors easy or fun? :>	Aug 27 19:12
MinceR	of course, it's still possible to write c code without using const	Aug 27 19:13
msb__	If it compiles and runs my test cases I figure it is error-free.	Aug 27 19:13
msb__	Compile errors are easy enough to fix, and runtime problems generally succumb to print statements.	Aug 27 19:15
msb__	For me, computers and programming languages are tools, not religions.	Aug 27 19:16
msb__	Actually I do like debugging. But I don't have to do it very often.	Aug 27 19:18
msb__	I mostly write simple little programs like "replace" and combine them in bash scripts.	Aug 27 19:18
msb__	If Unix was written without using "const", I figure I don't need it.	Aug 27 19:28
msb__	I had to use it in some consulting jobs. It was very annoying.	Aug 27 19:33
msb__	But maybe it was justified, because those were large programs.	Aug 27 19:34
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DaemonFC	Shelly Bingham Prayers for the families, friends & co workers & victims of a crazy evil man!!	Aug 27 20:43
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer How about instead of praying, people actually do something productive and pressure their Congress Critter for sensible gun reform? Prayer doesn't work. Pray in one hand and take a crap in the other and see which one fills up first.	Aug 27 20:43
DaemonFC	Millions of people pray for mass shootings to stop every day, and there's still a mass shooting about every day, so really, it can't be doing that much good.	Aug 27 20:45
cubexyz	2.11BSD doesn't have const	Aug 27 20:47
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cubexyz	looks like chromeos can do more stuff than I thought	Aug 27 21:21
cubexyz	it's got the chrome shell	Aug 27 21:22
cubexyz	hurray for non-microsoft computing	Aug 27 21:22
cubexyz	ending up getting the HP 14-x010ca chromebook	Aug 27 21:24
cubexyz	no ethernet port so I had to buy a USB to ethernet adapter	Aug 27 21:26
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Aug 27 21:26
DaemonFC	Just now ·	Aug 27 21:26
DaemonFC	What do you expect from someone that looks like a bible thumping cat lady that lives in a trailer except to go to Walmart and pay with a check?	Aug 27 21:26
DaemonFC	http://huff.to/1El27ps	Aug 27 21:26
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cubexyz	192 NVIDIA CUDA cores, whatever that means	Aug 27 21:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Xubuntu 15.10 Beta 1 Drops Gnumeric and Abiword	Aug 27 22:00
TweetTuxMachines	in Favor of LibreOffice Writer and Calc	Aug 27 22:00
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/KxWn3FjwX8 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 22:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkt77	Aug 27 22:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Archive Still Free Software	Aug 27 22:00
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/eBnQzHhOmF (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 22:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkt79	Aug 27 22:00
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6515672	Aug 27 22:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: What Is The Oldest Linux Installation CD You Have? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-news-59/what-is-the-oldest-linux-installation-cd-you-have-4175551843/ #gnu #linux discussion		Aug 27 22:37
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schestowitz	"dreamlinux 2.2 and Novell Suse 9.1."	Aug 27 22:37
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/yggdrasil-linux-1994-cd.jpg	Aug 27 22:50
cubexyz	a lot of stuff happened in 1994	Aug 27 22:51
cubexyz	I used darkstar linux 0.99.14	Aug 27 22:51
cubexyz	didn't quite know what to make of it back then	Aug 27 22:51
cubexyz	still have my freebsd CDs	Aug 27 22:52
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/freebsd-1995.jpeg	Aug 27 22:52
cubexyz	can't remember anything before MCC Interim Linux from Nov 1992, but I think there was something	Aug 27 22:54
cubexyz	before that you had to download bits and pieces of Linux from different FTP sites	Aug 27 22:56
MinceR	https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2015/08/msg00482.html	Aug 27 23:01
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MinceR	"stable"	Aug 27 23:01
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DaemonFC	http://www.zdnet.com/article/no-microsoft-is-not-spying-on-you-with-windows-10/	Aug 28 00:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| No, Microsoft is not spying on you with Windows 10 \| ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/nkuni ]		Aug 28 00:38
MinceR	ooh, damage control from zdnet	Aug 28 00:40
MinceR	the surprise of the decade.	Aug 28 00:41
msb__	Regarding Gun Control: US population is 320M, of which 1/70th die per year = 4.6M deaths/year = 12,500 deaths/day. Even if "there's still a mass shooting about every day", which I think is an exaggeration, deaths from guns in the US is only a very tiny fraction of total deaths, maybe about 1 in 5000.	Aug 28 00:44
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msb__	Now the US government, for no reason at all, invaded Afghanistan and Iraq and murdered 2,000,000 people in those nations. What if the govt for no reason at all, decides to murder 2,000,000 Americans? If it does, then hundreds of millions of guns in the hands of American citizens will be the only deterrent. With a government run by psychopaths, it's good for the population to be armed.	Aug 28 00:48
MinceR	it's good anyway, exactly for the reason it was put in the constitution	Aug 28 00:50
MinceR	also for self defense	Aug 28 00:54
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msb__	Yep. I think that's the reason it was put in the constitution.	Aug 28 00:55
msb__	Ben Franklin was asked in 1787: “Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?”, and he answered, “A Republic, if you can keep it.”	Aug 28 00:57
MinceR	https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/13/is-the-united-states-of-america-a-republic-or-a-democracy/	Aug 28 00:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com \| Is the United States of America a republic or a democracy? - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/nkuu0 ]		Aug 28 00:57
msb__	That's the question of direct democracy or representative democracy. But actually we have neither now. We have plutocracy	Aug 28 01:01
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msb__	And psychopath-ocracy, if there's a word for that.	Aug 28 01:01
msb__	Kakistocracy -- Government by the worst men.	Aug 28 01:10
MinceR	:)	Aug 28 01:11
msb__	My dic script: lynx "http://www.onelook.com/?w=$1&ls=a" Usage: dic word-to-look-up	Aug 28 01:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.onelook.com \| Definitions of $1 - OneLook Dictionary Search		Aug 28 01:12
msb__	With a gui browser, onelook.com gives you audio pronunciations.	Aug 28 01:15
cubexyz	curl dict://dict.org/d:$1	Aug 28 01:18
cubexyz	that's mine	Aug 28 01:18
cubexyz	no need to use anything as voluminous as lynx	Aug 28 01:19
msb__	That gives only one definition. Mine gives all of them.	Aug 28 01:21
msb__	Lynx voluminous???	Aug 28 01:22
cubexyz	relatively speaking :)	Aug 28 01:22
msb__	Electrons are cheap.	Aug 28 01:22
msb__	Firefox gives the audio pronunciations, but Konqueror does not.	Aug 28 01:23
cubexyz	your script returns a bunch of html	Aug 28 01:24
msb__	Which is interpreted by lynx.	Aug 28 01:24
cubexyz	yeah I tried it with curl	Aug 28 01:24
msb__	With dic, you can click on any of the dictionaries and see its definition. Also, there's usually a consensus definition at the bottom of the list of dictionaries.	Aug 28 01:26
cubexyz	here's one definiton of cube I haven't heard of before:	Aug 28 01:26
cubexyz	pharmacosiderite	Aug 28 01:27
msb__	a mineral formed when a drugstore crashes to earth at escape velocity	Aug 28 01:28
cubexyz	haha	Aug 28 01:28
msb__	Actually, Greek Farmakon means poison.	Aug 28 01:29
cubexyz	pharmakos	Aug 28 01:30
cubexyz	yikes	Aug 28 01:31
msb__	Google: medicine cause-of-death	Aug 28 01:34
msb__	http://www.lifeextension.com/Magazine/2004/3/awsi_death/Page-01	Aug 28 01:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.lifeextension.com \| Death by Medicine - 1 - Life Extension [ http://ur1.ca/nkv65 ]		Aug 28 01:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Linux continues to rule the cloud	Aug 28 01:36
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/1G6DzDaFcJ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 28 01:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkv66	Aug 28 01:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Linux continues to rule the cloud \| Tux Machines		Aug 28 01:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mozilla Releases Firefox 40.0.3 Hotfix to Plug	Aug 28 01:36
TweetTuxMachines	GStreamer and DisplayLink Bugs	Aug 28 01:36
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/m7H8APnjLk (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 28 01:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkv67	Aug 28 01:36
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msb__	"...the total number of deaths caused by conventional medicine is an astounding 783,936 per year. It is now evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the US. (By contrast, the number of deaths attributable to heart disease in 2001 was 699,697, while the number of deaths attributable to cancer was 553,251"	Aug 28 01:36
msb__	Adequate dosage of Vitamin C will remedy all viral infections, but the medical industry denies this and pushes antiviral vaccines instead, which cause a lot of injury and some death.	Aug 28 01:38
cubexyz	when you say death by conventional medicine can you give an example?	Aug 28 01:51
msb__	Adverse reactions from drugs.,	Aug 28 01:52
cubexyz	it's not really the doctor's fault if someone gets heart disease	Aug 28 01:52
msb__	Babies dropping dead after they're given dozens of vaccines at once.	Aug 28 01:52
msb__	Statin drugs block the pathway by which the body synthesizes CoQ-10, which the heart very much needs. The result, IIRC, is that statin drugs do not extend life.	Aug 28 01:56
msb__	The newly discovered substance GcMAF, which occurs naturally in the body, appears to be a universal cure for cancer. The FDA, totally controlled by drug companies, has banned it.	Aug 28 02:01
msb__	http://www.naturalnews.com/050582_nagalase_GcMAF_cancer_industry_profits.html	Aug 28 02:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.naturalnews.com \| REVEALED: Cancer industry profits 'locked in' by nagalase molecule injected into humans via vaccines... spurs tumor growth... explains aggressive vaccine push - NaturalNews.com [ http://ur1.ca/nb6td ]		Aug 28 02:02
msb__	https://web.archive.org/web/20140911015616/http://www.petgcmaf.com/list-of-gcmaf-research-papers/	Aug 28 02:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org \| List of GcMAF Research Papers [ http://ur1.ca/nf812 ]		Aug 28 02:02
cubexyz	banned it for what reason?	Aug 28 02:03
msb__	It's a crime to use a non-approved drug to cure cancer.	Aug 28 02:04
DaemonFC	The FDA has done some crooked things, but I don't believe for one second that they're withholding a cancer cure.	Aug 28 02:05
DaemonFC	Reagan used them to block approval of HIV treatments so that more gay people would die.	Aug 28 02:05
DaemonFC	That's probably the worst thing they ever did, and it was because of his people.	Aug 28 02:05
DaemonFC	Republicans worship the fetus, but life is actually pretty cheap to them. Once some people they hate are dying or starving, they gleefully let it happen.	Aug 28 02:07
msb__	ok, I have to make a web page of GcMAF links, which I have a lot of. Might take an hour or so. But meanwhile, look at this page on apoptosis promoters, and watch the video: http://cosmicpenguin.com/cancer/	Aug 28 02:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com \| Cancer -- New Natural Remedies!		Aug 28 02:08
DaemonFC	Would this be like the time Dr. Oz had a woman on his show that claimed that cancer was curable by a "zapper" that resembled a scientology e-meter, and then she died of cancer?	Aug 28 02:09
DaemonFC	These people are fucking evil.	Aug 28 02:10
DaemonFC	At least there's poetic justice, sometimes.	Aug 28 02:10
msb__	DaemonFC: You've been brainwashed by the FDA.	Aug 28 02:11
DaemonFC	I have not.	Aug 28 02:11
DaemonFC	You notice that all this worthless alternative medicine crap doesn't stand up to the Scientific Method. Ever.	Aug 28 02:11
DaemonFC	You notice that Steve Jobs tried all of it and then died of cancer?	Aug 28 02:12
cubexyz	Jobs tried GcMAF?	Aug 28 02:12
DaemonFC	The Apple board of directors was biting their knuckles while he did all this worthless bullshit while the cancer spread and became terminal.	Aug 28 02:12
DaemonFC	Well, by the time he decided to do chemo, it was too late.	Aug 28 02:13
DaemonFC	If he had done it immediately, there's a good chance he would still be alive today.	Aug 28 02:13
cubexyz	but isn't caner of the pancreas often fatal?	Aug 28 02:13
cubexyz	s/caner/cancer/	Aug 28 02:13
cubexyz	95% fatal	Aug 28 02:14
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msb__	http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/199x/landwehr-r-j_orthomol_med-1991-v6-n2-p99.htm	Aug 28 02:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.seanet.com \| The Origin of the 42-Year Stonewall of Vitamin C [ http://ur1.ca/nkvjm ]		Aug 28 02:15
cubexyz	earlier stages show no symptoms	Aug 28 02:15
DaemonFC	Yeah, every health agency all over the world is suppressing a cancer cure, sure.	Aug 28 02:15
DaemonFC	Whatever?	Aug 28 02:15
msb__	Vitamin C was curing polio in the 1940s, but this knowledge was suppressed. Both polio vaccines were contaminated with SV-40, which has caused millions of cancers.	Aug 28 02:16
DaemonFC	I've had a flu shot every year since 1995.	Aug 28 02:16
DaemonFC	You said those are a government conspiracy to kill people. Well, any damned time now. LOL	Aug 28 02:17
msb__	Good for you. That greatly increases your chance of getting Alzheimer's.	Aug 28 02:17
DaemonFC	citation needed	Aug 28 02:17
DaemonFC	Maybe a scientific study showing that?	Aug 28 02:17
DaemonFC	No?	Aug 28 02:17
msb__	DaemonFC: Did you view the apoptosis video? Did you read the polio article?	Aug 28 02:17
DaemonFC	I mean, if Mercola is your only friend, then you need to give up.	Aug 28 02:18
DaemonFC	Just because someone says something doesn't make it true.	Aug 28 02:18
DaemonFC	Lots of people are talking bullshit all of the time.	Aug 28 02:18
msb__	DaemonFC: Did you view the apoptosis video? Did you read the polio article?	Aug 28 02:18
DaemonFC	An article? I can write an article documenting my firsthand experience with the Flying Spaghetti Monster.	Aug 28 02:19
DaemonFC	It probably won't stand up to the scientific method.	Aug 28 02:19
msb__	DaemonFC: So you refuse to examine the evidence?	Aug 28 02:19
DaemonFC	I'm going to leave that to the people who specialize in that and can show that it works and that their findings are reproducible.	Aug 28 02:20
DaemonFC	It does us no good to listen to one person rambling about something.	Aug 28 02:20
DaemonFC	If you're going to believe any statement that anyone makes, then you're going to fall for everything.	Aug 28 02:21
DaemonFC	You're like those people pitching those fuel saving devices that don't work.	Aug 28 02:21
DaemonFC	The EPA tested them all, and so did Mythbusters.	Aug 28 02:21
DaemonFC	The EPA is required to test them all by law. An energy policy law dating back to the 1970s oil embargoes.	Aug 28 02:22
DaemonFC	You keep talking even when things are not going in your favor.	Aug 28 02:23
DaemonFC	If there's some plot to "depopulate" the Earth, then it's not achieving its goals.	Aug 28 02:23
DaemonFC	The population is on track to hit 12 billion by 2050.	Aug 28 02:23
msb__	DaemonFC: you keep lying, bringing in things that have nothing to do with the discussion.	Aug 28 02:24
DaemonFC	Ecological collapse killing a bunch of people at some point is a concern, but nobody is doing anything about it.	Aug 28 02:24
msb__	The plot is to make money, not depopulate.	Aug 28 02:24
DaemonFC	Whatever.	Aug 28 02:25
DaemonFC	If the plot is to make money, then why are the anti-vaxxer crowds keeping diseases around that could be wiped out?	Aug 28 02:25
DaemonFC	If everyone took the MMR, then those diseases would disappear and nobody would ever have to take the MMR again.	Aug 28 02:25
DaemonFC	So, what would you like to say about that?	Aug 28 02:25
msb__	Vitamin C cures measles immediately.	Aug 28 02:26
DaemonFC	Sounds to me like the anti-vaxxers are driving the profits of the drug companies by making people require vaccines forever for diseases that could wiped off the planet in under 5 years.	Aug 28 02:26
DaemonFC	No it doesn't.	Aug 28 02:26
DaemonFC	Vitamin C prevents vitamin C deficiency.	Aug 28 02:27
DaemonFC	End of story.	Aug 28 02:27
DaemonFC	We'll forever be cursed with snake oil salesmen peddling hokum because the government won't do anything about them.	Aug 28 02:28
msb__	I watched it do so. A young boy was diagnosed by his doctor with measles. He had fever, rash, delirium. His mother gave him a couple of grams of C and the symptoms disappeared. They came back after several hours, so she repeated the dose every few hours for several days, then tapered off. He was cured.	Aug 28 02:28
DaemonFC	Taking the fake medicine shit off the shelves would be a good thing.	Aug 28 02:28
DaemonFC	As bad as the US is, the UK is even worse.	Aug 28 02:29
DaemonFC	The NHS puts taxpayers there on the hook for worthless homeopathic folk remedies.	Aug 28 02:29
msb__	DaemonFC: You are output-only. You spew the govt/corporate propaganda but refuse to examine any evidence. You refuse to do critical-thinking.	Aug 28 02:31
DaemonFC	The NHS and FDA consider lots of peer-reviewed studies, even stuff that people really know at some level is ridiculous, like prayer.	Aug 28 02:33
DaemonFC	They spend millions of dollars testing all sorts of bizarre things.	Aug 28 02:33
msb__	Vitamin C restores the chemical fuel -- NADPH -- that white cells use to fight viruses. That's how it works.	Aug 28 02:33
DaemonFC	It's legendary.	Aug 28 02:33
msb__	DaemonFC: Critical thinking requires that you examine evidence that contradicts your current beliefs. If you refuse to do that, errors in your thinking will never be corrected. I have given you two selected, worthwhile pieces of evidence for alternative medicine. Here's another: https://web.archive.org/web/20130302070632/http://www.orthomed.com/	Aug 28 02:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org \| Robert F. Cathcart, M.D. [ http://ur1.ca/n86jx ]		Aug 28 02:46
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 28 04:17
DaemonFC	The gun nuts are having a meltdown on Walmart's Facebook page about Walmart's decision to stop carrying the AR-15. The comments are usually misspelled and lack the proper punctuation and grammar. It's not like Walmart really has to worry about pissing them off, because it's not like those people can afford to go anywhere else. I'd be very surprised if a person who is serious about their guns buys one from Walmart. Walmart's suppliers all	Aug 28 04:17
DaemonFC	make cheap knock-offs of their own products for sale at Walmart only, with corners cut off of corners.	Aug 28 04:17
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6515918	Aug 28 06:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Sadly, to quite a lot of people RMS is a "nuisance" for starting the system which they use for free, Torvalds a celebrated hero. #gnu #linux		Aug 28 06:39
schestowitz	"A lot of good giving Nvidia the finger even did. Besides, people worshipped Torvalds long before he did that."	Aug 28 06:39
schestowitz	It was an embarrassment for both Nvidia and Torvalds	Aug 28 06:39
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6513751	Aug 28 06:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This headline is a lie http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2015/08/munich-officials-who-dumped-windows-for-linux-want-microsofts-os-back/ it's not the same officials, there's no change of mind, just 2 dissenting voices		Aug 28 06:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.gizmodo.co.uk \| Munich Officials Who Dumped Windows For Linux Want Microsoft's OS Back \| Gizmodo UK [ http://ur1.ca/nkg9j ]		Aug 28 06:39
schestowitz	"LOL, Microsoft Solitaire is now a subscription service or adware. I suppose that’s what Microsoft advocates want."	Aug 28 06:39
schestowitz	Maybe they can resolve this 'issue' by letting Sabine and her colleague come to work with a bug, a laptop with Windows and Skype on it.... and Solitaire.	Aug 28 06:40
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6515097	Aug 28 06:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Why #FreeBSD should not adopt #launchd http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/08/26/0/ #bsd #unix		Aug 28 06:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blog.darknedgy.net \| Why FreeBSD should not adopt launchd [ http://ur1.ca/nkxr5 ]		Aug 28 06:41
schestowitz	"This is really interesting. Still don’t know what to think about it although we experience systemd. Don’t want to hurt init."	Aug 28 06:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org \| mjg59 \| Your Ubuntu-based container image is probably a copyright violation		Aug 28 07:11
DaemonFC	So, does that mean that they consider Linux Mint to be a copyright violation?	Aug 28 07:12
DaemonFC	They don't recompile everything and remove all references to Ubuntu.	Aug 28 07:12
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Aug 28 07:21
DaemonFC	1 hr · Edited ·	Aug 28 07:21
DaemonFC	Arbeit macht frei?	Aug 28 07:21
DaemonFC	This place is really covering their collective ass. Just in case the 'religious freedom" excuse isn't enough to practice psychotherapy without a license, they repeatedly tell you that they're not licensed psychotherapists on the forms that you have to sign.	Aug 28 07:21
DaemonFC	Of course, anything that ends with "Are you going to heaven when you die? (Yes/No) Why do you think that?" is probably something you should run from as fast as your legs can carry you.	Aug 28 07:21
DaemonFC	http://gawker.com/josh-duggar-s-sex-rehab-is-probably-just-another-chri-1726747380	Aug 28 07:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gawker.com \| Josh Duggar’s "Sex Rehab" Is Probably Just Another Christian Labor Camp [ http://ur1.ca/nky2v ]		Aug 28 07:21
DaemonFC	I guess this is the next logical step for "religious freedom" for for-profit entities after the unlicensed, uninspected Christian daycare centers where none of the children have been vaccinated against the measles.	Aug 28 07:23
DaemonFC	http://tunalawsuit.com/	Aug 28 07:24
DaemonFC	LMAO	Aug 28 07:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-name lookup timed out ( status 0 @ https://www.tunalawsuit.com )		Aug 28 07:24
DaemonFC	"The Lawsuit claims that StarKist Co. ("StarKist") under-filled certain 5 oz. canned tuna products in violation of state and federal law. StarKist denies that it underfilled its products and denies that it did anything wrong. The Court did not rule in favor of Plaintiff or StarKist. Instead, the parties agreed to a Proposed Settlement to avoid the expense and risks of continuing the lawsuit."	Aug 28 07:24
DaemonFC	So, because I bought a can of starkist tuna for about 80 cents and they shorted me half an ounce of tuna, they owe me $25.	Aug 28 07:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu: Wily Werewolf Beta 1 Released	Aug 28 07:48
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/JveC2f1mse (lists.ubuntu.com)	Aug 28 07:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkyap	Aug 28 07:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.ubuntu.com \| Wily Werewolf Beta 1 Released		Aug 28 07:48
DaemonFC	https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/11260903_10152959993356459_8858502712907769083_n.jpg?oh=8655d129eae27b23a6ced93c99e3b0e5&oe=567A7B4A	Aug 28 08:49
DaemonFC	People of Walmart	Aug 28 08:50
DaemonFC	https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11888131_10152957935441459_1674027769066142143_n.jpg?oh=a48745d2465abb6a3714f1f7b9d81d8b&oe=567768B2	Aug 28 08:50
DaemonFC	schestowitz, https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/windows-10/welcome/?utm_source=firefox-browser&utm_medium=firefox-browser	Aug 28 09:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mozilla.org \| Firefox + Windows 10. Perfect together. — Mozilla [ http://ur1.ca/nkzhd ]		Aug 28 09:17
DaemonFC	That's the new welcome page when you run Firefox on Windows 10.	Aug 28 09:18
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DaemonFC	https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/35110.html	Aug 28 09:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org \| mjg59 \| This is not the UEFI backdoor you are looking for		Aug 28 09:22
DaemonFC	"A PC motherboard vendor managed to leave the source code to their firmware on an open FTP server and copies leaked into the wild - if there's a ubiquitous backdoor, we'd expect to see it there."	Aug 28 09:22
DaemonFC	That must have been a sight.	Aug 28 09:22
DaemonFC	https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/33455.html	Aug 28 09:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org \| mjg59 \| On joining the FSF board		Aug 28 09:26
DaemonFC	Of course the big problem here is that the FSF now has a board member who refers to "Intellectual Property".	Aug 28 09:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Windows 10: is it finally time to migrate to	Aug 28 09:33
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu? http://t.co/i8UOy3TFfp	Aug 28 09:33
TweetTuxMachines	(insights.ubuntu.com)	Aug 28 09:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-insights.ubuntu.com \| Windows 10: is it finally time to migrate to Ubuntu? \| Ubuntu Insights		Aug 28 09:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkzos	Aug 28 09:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Unity 8 Shows Off Task Switcher and Multiple	Aug 28 09:33
TweetTuxMachines	Desktops - Video http://t.co/2js43DbeQW	Aug 28 09:33
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Aug 28 09:33
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkzot	Aug 28 09:33
DaemonFC	Kubuntu maybe	Aug 28 09:33
DaemonFC	15.10 when it gets a little more stable.	Aug 28 09:33
MinceR	not sure what's "perfect" about vista10	Aug 28 09:33
MinceR	perfectly broken?	Aug 28 09:33
MinceR	perfect invasion of privacy?	Aug 28 09:34
MinceR	102704 < DaemonFC> Of course the big problem here is that the FSF now has a board member who refers to "Intellectual Property".	Aug 28 09:34
MinceR	the big problem here is that the FSF doesn't care about freedom anymore	Aug 28 09:34
DaemonFC	MinceR, Wasn't Miguel de Icaza a member at one point.	Aug 28 09:34
DaemonFC	err ?	Aug 28 09:34
MinceR	i don't know	Aug 28 09:35
DaemonFC	They might as well have appointed Steve Ballmer.	Aug 28 09:35
MinceR	indeed	Aug 28 09:35
DaemonFC	Mono is effectively a Microsoft product now.	Aug 28 09:35
DaemonFC	They keep releasing .Net code under an MIT license (with no patent grant to people who end up running it) for inclusion in Mono.	Aug 28 09:36
DaemonFC	Isn't that a neat trick? They can give you the code and then sue you for running it.	Aug 28 09:36
msb_	Gurdjieff described many years ago how organizations change their direction degree by degree, until they are pointing in the opposite direction of where they started.	Aug 28 09:37
msb_	It's happened with the US govt, and now with systemd it looks like it's happening with GNU/Linux, and maybe with the FSF.	Aug 28 09:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 4MParted 13.1 Beta Is a Cool Small OS Based on	Aug 28 09:41
TweetTuxMachines	GParted http://t.co/AuCFJ2a0QI	Aug 28 09:41
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Aug 28 09:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| 4MParted 13.1 Beta Is a Cool Small OS Based on GParted - Softpedia		Aug 28 09:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkzt0	Aug 28 09:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Users Can Technically Dial a	Aug 28 09:41
TweetTuxMachines	Number from Terminal http://t.co/jefTNlwCxt	Aug 28 09:41
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Aug 28 09:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Touch Users Can Technically Dial a Number from Terminal - Softpedia		Aug 28 09:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkzt1	Aug 28 09:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Archive Still Free Software	Aug 28 09:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/zdOVfiQUOS (jriddell.org)	Aug 28 09:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkzt2	Aug 28 09:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jriddell.org \| Ubuntu Archive Still Free Software \| Jonathan Riddell's Diary		Aug 28 09:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines http://t.co/vALtmoPDwd (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 28 09:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkzzp	Aug 28 09:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Mozilla Releases Firefox 40.0.3 Hotfix to Plug GStreamer and DisplayLink Bugs - Softpedia		Aug 28 09:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mozilla Releases Firefox 40.0.3 Hotfix to Plug	Aug 28 09:53
TweetTuxMachines	GStreamer and DisplayLink Bugs	Aug 28 09:53
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/vALtmoPDwd (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 28 09:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkzzq	Aug 28 09:53
msb_	Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.	Aug 28 09:56
msb_	And Critical Thinking is the price of an accurate view of reality.	Aug 28 09:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/ymrClp4or4	Aug 28 10:34
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 28 10:34
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TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz	Aug 28 10:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nl01d	Aug 28 10:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 27/8/2015: ownCloud Desktop Client 2.0,	Aug 28 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Red Hat Downgraded http://t.co/zmYyUv6MRl	Aug 28 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz (techrights.org)	Aug 28 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nl0a9	Aug 28 10:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 27/8/2015: ownCloud Desktop Client 2.0, Red Hat Downgraded \| Techrights		Aug 28 10:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "KDE sprints are intensive sessions centered	Aug 28 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	around coding." https://t.co/WLH1VRT69R	Aug 28 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	(dot.kde.org)	Aug 28 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nl11p	Aug 28 11:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dot.kde.org \| KDE Sprints - who wins? \| KDE.news		Aug 28 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is Office 365 cheaper than OpenOffice and open	Aug 28 11:01
TweetTuxMachines	source? http://t.co/CmECVBAagM	Aug 28 11:01
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 28 11:01
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nl11s	Aug 28 11:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Rugged Bay Trail Pico-ITX SBC has multiple	Aug 28 11:01
TweetTuxMachines	expansion paths http://t.co/fFeONSTRN8	Aug 28 11:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Rugged Bay Trail Pico-ITX SBC has multiple expansion paths · LinuxGizmos.com		Aug 28 11:01
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Aug 28 11:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nl11w	Aug 28 11:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Zbackup 1.4.3 Has Been Released. Install It On	Aug 28 11:01
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu Or Arch Linux Now http://t.co/3elt8ZIbyl	Aug 28 11:01
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxg.net)	Aug 28 11:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net \| Zbackup 1.4.3 Has Been Released. Install It On Ubuntu Or Arch Linux Now \| LinuxG.net		Aug 28 11:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Upcoming #GPS Navigation App for #Ubuntu Touch	Aug 28 11:42
TweetTuxMachines	Will Be Amazing, Says Developer	Aug 28 11:42
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/qW84VYSgez (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 28 11:42
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Upcoming GPS Navigation App for Ubuntu Touch Will Be Amazing, Says Developer - Softpedia		Aug 28 11:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mycroft's AI Could Power Ubuntu's Unity and	Aug 28 11:43
TweetTuxMachines	Give Users Voice Control http://t.co/MRlyi0rjDK	Aug 28 11:43
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Aug 28 11:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Mycroft's AI Could Power Ubuntu's Unity and Give Users Voice Control - Softpedia		Aug 28 11:43
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Company of Heroes 2 Released on Mac and Linux	Aug 28 11:48
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/VP2C2zyK8R (www.gamershell.com)	Aug 28 11:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamershell.com \| News: Company of Heroes 2 Released on Mac and Linux		Aug 28 11:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NetworkManager 1.0.6 https://t.co/mP42FZKTdg	Aug 28 11:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Kylin 15.10 Beta 1 Is Out with Updated	Aug 28 11:49
TweetTuxMachines	Software Center, Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS	Aug 28 11:49
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/9roIZSE94Y (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 28 11:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Kylin 15.10 Beta 1 Is Out with Updated Software Center, Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS - Softpedia		Aug 28 11:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Carmageddon: Reincarnation Is Still Coming to	Aug 28 11:49
TweetTuxMachines	Linux http://t.co/OtybXtbPqb	Aug 28 11:49
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Aug 28 11:49
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cubexyz	all human knowledge is built up from previous generations	Aug 28 12:06
cubexyz	it's foolish to suggest that a FOSS aggregration of programming skills is somehow inferior to paid closed source proprietary software	Aug 28 12:06
cubexyz	do people suggest that training for windows software is somehow instanteous and costs nothing?	Aug 28 12:08
cubexyz	Microsoft deliberately obfuscated their file formats making things more difficult for FOSS programs	Aug 28 12:09
cubexyz	it's all the same thing anyway, the GUI, the algorithms, the icons, etc	Aug 28 12:12
cubexyz	in face you defintitely learn less from using Microsoft software as opposed to FOSS software	Aug 28 12:13
XRevan86	cubexyz: Hmm, I thought they just can't make proper designs.	Aug 28 12:13
XRevan86	thus making crappy file formats	Aug 28 12:13
cubexyz	there's two things:	Aug 28 12:13
cubexyz	1) They want to keep selling new iterations of software	Aug 28 12:13
cubexyz	2) They want to stop FOSS equivalents from gaining mindshare	Aug 28 12:14
XRevan86	New software should be better than old, and so old should be worse than new :).	Aug 28 12:14
cubexyz	how many features does a wordprocessor need?	Aug 28 12:15
XRevan86	so they make old software not good enough, to give themselves a space for "growing"	Aug 28 12:15
cubexyz	do you have to go through endless feature upgrades, or does the software reach a plateau at some point?	Aug 28 12:15
msb_	http://www.rt.com/news/313653-russia-ukraine-soldiers-fake-forbes/	Aug 28 12:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com \| Who slipped? How fake report on ‘Russian soldier deaths’ in Ukraine set MSM on fire — RT News [ http://ur1.ca/nl21a ]		Aug 28 12:16
cubexyz	this xchat client for example I'm using	Aug 28 12:16
XRevan86	cubexyz: In FOSS I agree on endless feature upgrades :).	Aug 28 12:16
XRevan86	cubexyz: HexChat doesn't hate you.	Aug 28 12:16
cubexyz	I have an old FC1 machine that runs xchat 2.0.7	Aug 28 12:17
msb_	How do xchat and HexChat compare with Konversation?	Aug 28 12:17
cubexyz	I can't tell the difference between 2.0.7 and 2.8.6	Aug 28 12:18
cubexyz	so it just works	Aug 28 12:18
cubexyz	I could conceiveably use IRCII on quasijarus and it would work	Aug 28 12:18
cubexyz	the protocols haven't changed in many years	Aug 28 12:18
msb_	Only problems I have with Konversation are 1. it doesn't always re-login automatically when my connection drops 2. If I have a lot of channels open the names are hard to read	Aug 28 12:20
cubexyz	well I didn't stick with ksirc and never tried konversation	Aug 28 12:20
XRevan86	msb_: Why don't you just try {he,}xchat?	Aug 28 12:20
cubexyz	I find that generally speaking KDE programs are a bit more resource intensive	Aug 28 12:21
msb_	Konversation keeps great logs, and automatically logs into specified channels when it connects to a network (freenode, etc).	Aug 28 12:21
cubexyz	right, but so does xchat	Aug 28 12:21
XRevan86	msb_: Not impressive.	Aug 28 12:21
cubexyz	in fact that's how the FC1 box logs the channel	Aug 28 12:22
cubexyz	which is not here hmmm	Aug 28 12:22
msb_	XRevan86: what is not impressive?	Aug 28 12:22
XRevan86	msb_: Feature-list of Konversation :).	Aug 28 12:22
msb_	what is relation of xchat and hexchat?	Aug 28 12:23
XRevan86	msb_: HexChat is a living fork of XChat.	Aug 28 12:23
msb_	tnx	Aug 28 12:23
XRevan86	XChat died.	Aug 28 12:24
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cubexyz	xchat uses gtk	Aug 28 12:25
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cubexyz	anyways, I still use xchat	Aug 28 12:26
cubexyz	it's like you had an old word processor that works fine	Aug 28 12:26
cubexyz	same thing with krubik from KDE 1.0	Aug 28 12:28
cubexyz	I still use on occasion	Aug 28 12:28
cubexyz	I still play hangman on Unix v5 sometimes	Aug 28 12:30
XRevan86	cubexyz: Rubik's cube?	Aug 28 12:31
cubexyz	the experience isn't that much different from using khangman :)	Aug 28 12:31
cubexyz	XRevan86, yes	Aug 28 12:31
XRevan86	I see gnubik and kubrick in packages search :).	Aug 28 12:32
cubexyz	gnubik is too slow	Aug 28 12:32
XRevan86	gnubik is too fast	Aug 28 12:33
cubexyz	and I think kubrick is KDE 4 only	Aug 28 12:33
cubexyz	believe me, on a P3 gnubik is slow	Aug 28 12:33
XRevan86	Oh, it has an option to slow down "animation". Now it looks better.	Aug 28 12:34
cubexyz	anyways I have an algebraic program for that called cube_motif	Aug 28 12:34
cubexyz	I just like to collect rubik's cube programs for study	Aug 28 12:35
cubexyz	http://maxhost.org/coppermine/thumbnails.php?album=15	Aug 28 12:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-maxhost.org \| Coppermine Photo Gallery - Rubik's Cube Programs [ http://ur1.ca/hcj26 ]		Aug 28 12:36
cubexyz	unirubik ran in 4526 bytes on Unix v5, so it's the champ for efficiency	Aug 28 12:42
cubexyz	no doubt an assembly language one could be less than 1k	Aug 28 12:42
cubexyz	gnubik isn't too bad, 75K	Aug 28 12:44
cubexyz	of course it needs a lot of libraries	Aug 28 12:44
cubexyz	krubik is very efficient at rendering a 3d cube	Aug 28 12:45
cubexyz	much better than gnubik	Aug 28 12:45
cubexyz	krubik was based on code from Karl Hornell's java applet	Aug 28 12:46
msb_	XRevan86: Hexchat is not in my repo, so I downloaded the source. I ran ./configure, and it completed but said: Warning: The GTK (GUI) frontend will not be built.	Aug 28 12:46
XRevan86	msb_: zypper in gtk2-devel	Aug 28 12:46
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cubexyz	it's not good to get to dependent on all these toolkits	Aug 28 12:48
XRevan86	msb_: You can just get xchat from repo.	Aug 28 12:48
cubexyz	a good program should switch to ncurses or text if X isn't running	Aug 28 12:49
XRevan86	or rebuild hexchat using osc build	Aug 28 12:49
msb_	looks like I don't have the latest version of gtk2-devel, getting now	Aug 28 12:49
cubexyz	I should try ksirc just to see what it's like	Aug 28 12:50
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cube-ksirc	test test test	Aug 28 12:51
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cubexyz	ok, it works :)	Aug 28 12:52
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msb_	still doesn't make the gui	Aug 28 12:52
cubexyz	I guess no one here used ksirc?	Aug 28 12:52
XRevan86	msb_: It requires gtk+-2.0 >= 2.24.0	Aug 28 12:53
XRevan86	https://github.com/hexchat/hexchat/blob/master/configure.ac#L195	Aug 28 12:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com \| hexchat/configure.ac at master · hexchat/hexchat · GitHub [ http://ur1.ca/nl2g0 ]		Aug 28 12:53
msb_	looks like my gtk is 2.22	Aug 28 12:55
msb_	later not in repo	Aug 28 12:55
cubexyz	XRevan86, are they selling chromebooks in Russia?	Aug 28 12:56
XRevan86	cubexyz: I think so.	Aug 28 12:56
cubexyz	just bought one the other day... they're not bad	Aug 28 12:56
XRevan86	cubexyz: At least I saw one on Linux Fest :).	Aug 28 12:56
msb_	I do have xchat 2.8.8 -- how good is that?	Aug 28 12:56
cubexyz	it's fine	Aug 28 12:56
cubexyz	I'm like running xchat 2.8.6 right now	Aug 28 12:57
cubexyz	cubelog is running 2.0.7 which is also fine	Aug 28 12:57
cubexyz	I'm a practical person... it does the job	Aug 28 12:58
cubexyz	at some point you get upgrade fatigue	Aug 28 12:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Croatian policy encourages open source adoption	Aug 28 13:00
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/XQaU218pNw (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 28 13:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nl2j2	Aug 28 13:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Croatian policy encourages open source adoption \| Tux Machines		Aug 28 13:00
cubexyz	no one buys a new toaster every year	Aug 28 13:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Ubuntu http://t.co/2vU6ucZr6R	Aug 28 13:00
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 28 13:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nl2j3	Aug 28 13:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Ubuntu \| Tux Machines		Aug 28 13:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Kylin 15.10 Beta 1 Is Out with Updated	Aug 28 13:00
TweetTuxMachines	Software Center, Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS	Aug 28 13:00
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/weQASOEsUA (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 28 13:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nl2j4	Aug 28 13:00
cubexyz	it's just not necessary	Aug 28 13:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Kylin 15.10 Beta 1 Is Out with Updated Software Center, Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS \| Tux Machines		Aug 28 13:00
cubexyz	a battery is a consumeable item	Aug 28 13:01
cubexyz	but IRC clients are pretty feature complete and stable	Aug 28 13:01
cubexyz	no reason to endlessly upgrade your irc client	Aug 28 13:01
msb_	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxYs0qeHX_Q	Aug 28 13:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Fake: Report on Russian casualties in Ukraine tells fake story, Russia 'experts' retweet - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nl2qr ]		Aug 28 13:14
msb_	Great investigation!	Aug 28 13:15
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 28 13:17
DaemonFC	It's pretty well known that since faith healers can't actually heal anyone, they never have anyone that's visibly disabled on the stage. Don't tell that to my mom though. She'll go nuts.	Aug 28 13:17
DaemonFC	Ironically, although Benny Hinn claims to be a healer, he has had an AFib for 20 years. It'll be hilarious if the fraud has a heart attack and falls over dead on stage. With all the cell phones that people have now, it'll be all over YouTube right away, and Gawker. :)	Aug 28 13:17
cubexyz	we can only hope	Aug 28 13:17
msb_	DaemonFC: Are you trying to connect prayer and faith healing with alternative medicine like vitamin C, CoQ-10, GcMAF, etc.?	Aug 28 13:18
DaemonFC	It belongs together. Not technically related, other than being a big shitpile of fucking nonsense.	Aug 28 13:19
msb_	DaemonFC: But you refused to access the 3 sources I suggested -- video on dichloroacetate for cancer, a broadcast news story; article on cures of polio by Vit. C, Cathcart's website - used C for thousands of patients.	Aug 28 13:21
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 28 13:22
DaemonFC	Wouldn't you love to see the Pay-Per-View list on Josh Duggar's hotel bills? I hope he billed all the porn to the Family Research Council.	Aug 28 13:22
msb_	DaemonFC: I'm saving your lying smears of alt. medicine. So far I have "this worthless alternative medicine crap" and "big shitpile of fucking nonsense".	Aug 28 13:23
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DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 28 13:27
DaemonFC	As to the "dirty and evil" part, I appreciate the people who drop the religious crap and just tell me that they think that gay sex is disgusting.	Aug 28 13:27
DaemonFC	I'm sure that they feel the same way about having anal with their girlfriend, or sticking it in a vagina that's menstruating for five days out of the month.	Aug 28 13:27
DaemonFC	Otherwise they'd be hypocrites.	Aug 28 13:27
msb_	DaemonFC: Does it make any difference to you that the mechanism of action of Vitamin C against viruses, CoQ-10 against congestive heart failure, and GcMAF against cancer are all known and have been scientifically proved?	Aug 28 13:27
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DaemonFC	Actually, Pauling's research was deeply flawed and it does not stand up to peer review because it's never been reproduced. The Mayo clinic proved that he was wrong.	Aug 28 13:29
msb_	Pauling's research on what? Modest doses of C against colds?	Aug 28 13:30
DaemonFC	I haven't been ignoring the claims. I look into things before I decide what to do, because I don't want to be had by some rotten trickster that makes off with my money for giving me a big fat placebo.	Aug 28 13:30
DaemonFC	Like acupuncture. No benefits at all, although sometimes they don't sterilize the needles and they give people HIV or Hep C or something.	Aug 28 13:31
msb_	You have to use larger doses, as produced by mammals of human bodyweight when they get viruses.	Aug 28 13:31
DaemonFC	That's probably not the result you wanted.	Aug 28 13:31
msb_	acupuncture has nothing to do with this	Aug 28 13:31
DaemonFC	Well, I figured you'd go there eventually.	Aug 28 13:31
DaemonFC	In for a penny, in for a pound.	Aug 28 13:31
msb_	go where?	Aug 28 13:31
msb_	mammals other than apes and guinea pigs produce about 70grams per day of vitamin C when they have a serious viral infection. Since the C is used up quantitatively by the white cells, that's how much you have to use.	Aug 28 13:33
msb_	And it works.	Aug 28 13:34
DaemonFC	When peer reviewed studies prove that massive doses do something other than give you diarrhea, I'll look into it again.	Aug 28 13:34
msb_	Such studies cost many millions of dollars, but no one will do them because there's little profit in selling vitamin C.	Aug 28 13:35
msb_	But I and everyone I know who uses it on people and pets for viruses report success.	Aug 28 13:36
msb_	So do Cathcart and other doctors.	Aug 28 13:37
msb_	Many veterinarians use it also.	Aug 28 13:38
DaemonFC	Nonsense. That's what NIH grants do.	Aug 28 13:39
msb_	What? Finance multimillion dollar studies on non-patentable remedies?	Aug 28 13:40
msb_	What motivation would anyone have to request such a grant? Doctors who use C have plenty of patients already.	Aug 28 13:41
DaemonFC	Yeah, that's what they're there for.	Aug 28 13:42
msb_	DaemonFC: As to those who remain voluntarily ignorant by refusing to examine the data, too bad for them.	Aug 28 13:42
msb_	What motivation would anyone have to request such a grant? Doctors who use C have plenty of patients already.	Aug 28 13:42
DaemonFC	To prove that it actually works without folksy anecdotes.	Aug 28 13:43
DaemonFC	Just a guess.	Aug 28 13:43
msb_	Another smear! folksy anecdotes	Aug 28 13:43
msb_	People who refuse to use critical thinking will simply die if they get a very serious viral infection. Evolution in action!	Aug 28 13:46
DaemonFC	I've been sick. My immune system functioned. I don't get sick very often.	Aug 28 13:47
DaemonFC	For example, the best way to avoid the flu is to get the vaccine.	Aug 28 13:47
DaemonFC	I get the vaccine every year. I've never had the flu.	Aug 28 13:47
DaemonFC	I know that concepts like immunity are not something you seem to understand.	Aug 28 13:48
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DaemonFC	Taking vitamin C and spending a miserable week in bed, or ending up in the hospital, is just dumb.	Aug 28 13:48
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msb_	DaemonFC: more lies from you. I understand immunity, and I never get flu. I got it maybe 40 years ago, took C for two days, and it was gone.	Aug 28 13:50
DaemonFC	I took the MMR and never got Measles, Mumps, or Rubella.	Aug 28 13:51
DaemonFC	I took the Tetanus vaccine and get my boosters.	Aug 28 13:51
msb_	DaemonFC: you seem to be incapable of having a rational discussion without engaging in personal attacks and innuendo.	Aug 28 13:51
DaemonFC	Lockjaw sucks, but when people like you are insisting on living in the 19th century....	Aug 28 13:52
msb_	I am 70 years old and had measles etc before the vaccine.	Aug 28 13:52
DaemonFC	Just because you've lived to 70 doesn't prove a thing.	Aug 28 13:52
msb_	I have had tetanus shots also, you lying sack of shit.	Aug 28 13:53
DaemonFC	My grandfather on my mom's side lived to be 72.	Aug 28 13:53
msb_	I got measles etc before the mmr vaccine existed.	Aug 28 13:53
DaemonFC	He got cancer, went to Benny Hinn (the faith healer), said he was cured, and then died of cancer.	Aug 28 13:53
DaemonFC	Being old does't mean you're right.	Aug 28 13:53
msb_	I got measles etc before the mmr vaccine existed.	Aug 28 13:54
DaemonFC	I never have to worry about it.	Aug 28 13:54
DaemonFC	Most people don't, because only ignorant fools that don't really love their children would skip the vaccines.	Aug 28 13:54
DaemonFC	msb_, Here's one for you...	Aug 28 13:55
DaemonFC	No tricks. Just answer the question.	Aug 28 13:55
msb_	People who don't want their kids to take the chance of being crippled, brain-dead, or totally dead may also skip the vaccines.	Aug 28 13:55
msb_	At least the unnecessary ones.	Aug 28 13:56
DaemonFC	If the drug companies don't want to cure something because treating it makes you buy more drugs, then why did they recently develop cures for Hepatitis C that will cost less than the old drugs that suppressed it?	Aug 28 13:56
msb_	They make money either way.	Aug 28 13:56
DaemonFC	The reason they haven't cured HIV yet is because it's a tough nut to crack.	Aug 28 13:57
msb_	yes	Aug 28 13:57
DaemonFC	For one thing, the drugs DO wipe out every last virus from your bloodstream.	Aug 28 13:57
DaemonFC	But, the virus is also in your bone marrow, and will re-infect you if you ever stop taking the meds.	Aug 28 13:58
msb_	But that doesn	Aug 28 13:58
msb_	But that doesn't restore the damage to the immune system.	Aug 28 13:58
DaemonFC	Yes it does.	Aug 28 13:58
DaemonFC	The CD4 counts go right back up to normal levels.	Aug 28 13:58
msb_	A friend on the drugs still has a low T-cell count.	Aug 28 13:58
DaemonFC	How long and what drugs?	Aug 28 13:59
msb_	Also the drugs have some bad side effects.	Aug 28 13:59
DaemonFC	Sometimes, they have to change them, or give you a new combination.	Aug 28 13:59
msb_	But they are still the best course of action against HIV.	Aug 28 13:59
DaemonFC	Yeah. Well, Truvada can actually prevent the infection to begin with.	Aug 28 14:00
DaemonFC	They finally approved it for that. Bush was stalling that, for obvious reasons.	Aug 28 14:00
DaemonFC	The man is a monster.	Aug 28 14:00
msb_	How much does it cost?	Aug 28 14:04
DaemonFC	If you make less than $55,000, it's free.	Aug 28 14:05
DaemonFC	The drug company gives it away.	Aug 28 14:05
msb_	Nice!	Aug 28 14:05
msb_	I worked in the AIDS clinic of SF general hospital 30 years ago, programming.	Aug 28 14:06
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 28 14:06
DaemonFC	I just think it's funny that all the middle income Republicans fled the city to get away from that and now the pedophile trailer park is right next door, destroying their home values.	Aug 28 14:06
DaemonFC	And all the city had to do was build some little parks here and there. Worth every penny. :)	Aug 28 14:06
DaemonFC	I was reading one of them complain about it on Facebook, and I almost spit out my iced tea.	Aug 28 14:06
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msb_	DaemonFC: get away from what?	Aug 28 14:10
DaemonFC	The crime and the filth.	Aug 28 14:10
DaemonFC	Now it's all following them while the inner city is getting fixed up.	Aug 28 14:10
DaemonFC	(Fort Wayne)	Aug 28 14:10
msb_	What do trailer parks have to do with pedophiles?	Aug 28 14:11
DaemonFC	It's where they live.	Aug 28 14:11
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DaemonFC	They form colonies there because the state limits where they can live.	Aug 28 14:11
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msb_	I ran the updatedb script manually as root -- and lived!	Aug 28 17:17
msb_	Can I rule the world now?	Aug 28 17:18
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cubexyz	sometimes I think it's a bit sinister that Gates is still around but Jobs and Kildall are dead	Aug 28 17:58
cubexyz	of course Jef Raskin is dead also	Aug 28 18:01
cubexyz	a lot of those folks were born in the 1940s	Aug 28 18:02
cubexyz	and even more unusual both Raskin and Jobs died of pancreatic cancer	Aug 28 18:06
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msb_	Why would anyone kill Kildall? He had no influence beyond the very beginning.	Aug 28 18:10
cubexyz	msb_, it could have happened in a fight with bikers	Aug 28 18:10
cubexyz	a sad ending	Aug 28 18:10
msb_	So nothing to do with PCs.	Aug 28 18:11
cubexyz	there seems to be some mystery about his death	Aug 28 18:11
cubexyz	msb_, hardly the very beginning	Aug 28 18:11
cubexyz	beginning of microcomputers maybe	Aug 28 18:11
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msb_	That's what I meant, since Gates is the obvious boogeyman.	Aug 28 18:12
cubexyz	there was no mono-culture in the previous eras	Aug 28 18:13
msb_	There are fast-acting cancer viruses.	Aug 28 18:13
cubexyz	minicomputers had a lot of variety in hardware and operating systems	Aug 28 18:13
msb_	Torvalds and Stallman are in good health.	Aug 28 18:14
cubexyz	there was no mono-culture with early micros either, there was quite a lot of variety there	Aug 28 18:14
cubexyz	msb_, Stallman isn't in great health	Aug 28 18:14
msb_	What's wrong with him?	Aug 28 18:15
msb_	Hairballs?	Aug 28 18:15
cubexyz	heart attack	Aug 28 18:15
msb_	How long ago?	Aug 28 18:16
cubexyz	may 2012	Aug 28 18:16
msb_	How severe?	Aug 28 18:16
cubexyz	don't know	Aug 28 18:16
msb_	Wonder if he knows about CoQ-10/Ubiquinol ?	Aug 28 18:17
msb_	and carnitine. Both give the heart more energy and lessen the stress on it.	Aug 28 18:18
msb_	Guy I knew was diagnosed with congestive heart failure and given a couple of months to live. I told him about those nutrients and he took them and lived about ten years more.	Aug 28 18:21
cubexyz	what was the one that was supposed to help with mitocondria?	Aug 28 18:22
msb_	PQQ	Aug 28 18:22
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrroloquinoline_quinone	Aug 28 18:23
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msb_	Wiki always denies the benefits of alternative medicine. But it contains some info. Google for much more.	Aug 28 18:24
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cubexyz	strange how grepping the logs don't show that	Aug 28 18:29
cubexyz	I know you were talking about it before	Aug 28 18:29
msb_	8/25 5:19pm PT in my log	Aug 28 18:34
cubexyz	ack, I've been spelling mitochondria wrong that's why	Aug 28 18:34
cubexyz	forgot the h	Aug 28 18:34
msb_	I looked for pqq	Aug 28 18:34
msb_	weird things happen. I couldn't "locate" a file which I could see was there. I think updatedb ran when its drive wasn't mounted, because rerunning it made it appear.	Aug 28 18:36
msb_	Usually it's pilot error.	Aug 28 18:37
cubexyz	grep isn't showing PQQ or pqq	Aug 28 18:37
cubexyz	well, it is, but it's matching it in the shortened URLs, not in the expected context	Aug 28 18:37
msb_	[Tuesday, August 25, 2015] [05:19:54 PM] <cubexyz> so yeah there's talk about PQQ	Aug 28 18:38
cubexyz	ok, now I understand	Aug 28 18:40
cubexyz	cube_log was out of commission then	Aug 28 18:41
cubexyz	so it didn't log that	Aug 28 18:41
cubexyz	cube_log needs improvement	Aug 28 18:42
cubexyz	"no mammalian PQQ-containing enzyme has been described"	Aug 28 18:43
cubexyz	yeah that is missing from the logs	Aug 28 18:44
cubexyz	it's in the logs now of course :)	Aug 28 18:44
cubexyz	I'd try PQQ	Aug 28 18:45
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cubexyz	there's http://ca.iherb.com/PQQ-BioPQQ	Aug 28 18:46
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msb_	http://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2011/2/generate-fresh-mitochondria-with-pqq/page-01	Aug 28 18:47
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msb_	very cheap	Aug 28 18:47
msb_	DaemonFC should be here to see this.	Aug 28 18:49
cubexyz	so where does PQQ come from?	Aug 28 18:50
msb_	http://doctormurray.com/pqq-the-next-nutrient-superstar/	Aug 28 18:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-doctormurray.com \| Is PQQ the Next Nutrient Superstar?Dr. Michael Murray [ http://ur1.ca/nl718 ]		Aug 28 18:51
msb_	Nobody knows. It's distilled from the dew on certain exotic flowers during a full moon.	Aug 28 18:52
msb_	At that price it must be synthetic.	Aug 28 18:52
cubexyz	if it's in fruits and vegetables then one could simply eat more of those	Aug 28 18:53
cubexyz	ok it's in spinach, green pepper and parsley	Aug 28 18:54
cubexyz	ok, eat more spinach then	Aug 28 18:55
cubexyz	Popeye was right the whole time :)	Aug 28 18:55
cubexyz	it's just you would probably have to eat a lot of spinach to match the amount of PQQ in the supplements	Aug 28 18:56
msb_	http://www.naturalproductsinsider.com/blogs/supplement-perspectives/2014/05/natural-vs-synthetic-pqq.aspx	Aug 28 18:56
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msb_	I think spinach has oxalate. Kidney stones!	Aug 28 18:57
msb_	Pills are best. You never know if cheap farming methods deplete some nutrients.	Aug 28 18:59
cubexyz	PQQ Disodium Salt	Aug 28 18:59
cubexyz	10-20 mg/day	Aug 28 18:59
msb_	Tiny amount of sodium.	Aug 28 18:59
msb_	You normally get a gram or two of Na/day.	Aug 28 19:00
cubexyz	well 10 mg is a tiny amount certainly	Aug 28 19:00
cubexyz	"no teratogenic effects observed in rats"	Aug 28 19:01
cubexyz	I guess that's good	Aug 28 19:02
msb_	Good. I hate monster rats.	Aug 28 19:02
msb_	I usually start with a quarter of a pill and see if it makes me see paisleys or anything.	Aug 28 19:04
cubexyz	humans aren't too great at processing new ideas	Aug 28 19:05
msb_	Some years ago some people into life extension suggested I try deprenyl. They took 1-2mg/day, so I tried 300ug, once. I was terrified for two weeks!	Aug 28 19:05
cubexyz	I mean Galileo was found guilty of heresy	Aug 28 19:06
cubexyz	for heliocentrism	Aug 28 19:06
msb_	I don't get the connection.	Aug 28 19:07
cubexyz	people take forever to try new things	Aug 28 19:07
cubexyz	DemonFC's reaction to your comments about alternative medicine is a perfect example of how people react to new things	Aug 28 19:08
cubexyz	new ideas	Aug 28 19:08
msb_	I don't take forever, but ramping up over a few days is safer for me.	Aug 28 19:08
cubexyz	they always reject them initially	Aug 28 19:08
cubexyz	how long did it take for the average joe to go from geocentrism to heliocentrism?	Aug 28 19:09
msb_	It's more than that with him. He's absorbed the pharma/govt propaganda, thoroughly.	Aug 28 19:09
cubexyz	I think it was over 100 years	Aug 28 19:09
cubexyz	how long before the average joe starts to use Linux has their main OS?	Aug 28 19:09
msb_	He parrots its propaganda.	Aug 28 19:09
cubexyz	s/has/as/	Aug 28 19:11
msb_	"big shitpile of fucking nonsense"	Aug 28 19:11
msb_	That's not just "Nahh, I don't believe it". He's been gotten to.	Aug 28 19:11
msb_	People don't realize the power and ubiquity of the Bernaysian Matrix.	Aug 28 19:12
cubexyz	dogmatic	Aug 28 19:12
cubexyz	narrow-minded	Aug 28 19:12
msb_	angry!	Aug 28 19:13
msb_	The Matrix is programmed into people in thousands of small steps. But the combined influence is enormous.	Aug 28 19:14
cubexyz	like McDonalds marketing to kids	Aug 28 19:17
cubexyz	although I don't think they do it as much these days	Aug 28 19:17
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msb_	I think I took one bite of a McDonalds burger in my entire life. Fried fat!	Aug 28 19:20
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msb_	This Ubuntu Hackathon and KDE Akademy scares me. What if they come up with a new "improvement" to Linux that all the distros adopt, and now you have to stand on your head and whistle "Dixie" in order to run a program.	Aug 28 19:28
cubexyz	use what you like, discard what you don't	Aug 28 19:29
cubexyz	I'm using parts of KDE 3.5.10 -> klipper, konsole, kmix combined with icewm	Aug 28 19:30
cubexyz	I also combined mwm with vdesk	Aug 28 19:31
cubexyz	so now I have mwm with virtual desktops	Aug 28 19:31
cubexyz	it's just that the new KDE crowd don't value what I value	Aug 28 19:32
cubexyz	they don't care if you need 2 gigs of ram or a 2 gigahertz cpu to run it	Aug 28 19:33
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r_schestowitz	[21:24] <cubexyz> ending up getting the HP 14-x010ca chromebook	Aug 28 20:02
r_schestowitz	I had one	Aug 28 20:03
r_schestowitz	Did you already get it?	Aug 28 20:03
r_schestowitz	If you install GNU/Linux on it, I can give some pointers based on my experience	Aug 28 20:03
cubexyz	haven't installed crouton yet	Aug 28 20:03
r_schestowitz	If you're going to dual-boot, don't.	Aug 28 20:06
r_schestowitz	Esp. if it's Tengra	Aug 28 20:06
r_schestowitz	I found many issues	Aug 28 20:06
r_schestowitz	NetworkManager causes freezes	Aug 28 20:06
r_schestowitz	so needs to be replaced with another network manager	Aug 28 20:07
r_schestowitz	colour is BGR instead of RGB	Aug 28 20:07
r_schestowitz	X bug	Aug 28 20:07
r_schestowitz	depending on what build you use	Aug 28 20:07
r_schestowitz	sound doesn't work (I spent hours trying many things)	Aug 28 20:07
r_schestowitz	and external screen/dual head doesn't work	Aug 28 20:07
r_schestowitz	with crouton you might be more lucky	Aug 28 20:08
cubexyz	I assume crouton doesn't use dual-boot?	Aug 28 20:08
r_schestowitz	/s/Tengra/Tegra	Aug 28 20:08
r_schestowitz	no, it runs it within chromeos	Aug 28 20:08
r_schestowitz	under the 'browser'	Aug 28 20:08
r_schestowitz	but it's effectively a desktop within a desktop, and you're not seeing this unless you git some magic keys	Aug 28 20:08
r_schestowitz	my wife runs it like that on Acer Chromebook 15	Aug 28 20:09
r_schestowitz	it's stable	Aug 28 20:09
r_schestowitz	and everything works well	Aug 28 20:09
r_schestowitz	setting up some things takes little effort	Aug 28 20:09
r_schestowitz	hardest thing was setting up CUPS to enable printing	Aug 28 20:09
r_schestowitz	and sound device switching, which ChromeOS takes over	Aug 28 20:09
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cubexyz	I thought this was worth sharing:	Aug 28 20:21
cubexyz	http://www.theoceancleanup.com/blog/show/item/responding-to-critics.html	Aug 28 20:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theoceancleanup.com \| Responding to critics: The Ocean Cleanup, developing technologies to extract, prevent and intercept plastic pollution [ http://ur1.ca/nl81e ]		Aug 28 20:21
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cubexyz	I didn't realize that Jean-Louis Gassee was involved with apple computer before founding Be Inc	Aug 28 21:25
cubexyz	I really prefer my old 4:3 monitors to the new ones	Aug 28 21:27
cubexyz	one misses the extra vertical space, especially when programming	Aug 28 21:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Developer lowers Drupal's barrier to entry	Aug 28 21:43
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nl8wt	Aug 28 21:43
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Developers Discuss Codenames, GNOME 3.18	Aug 28 21:43
TweetTuxMachines	Might be Dubbed "Gothenburg"	Aug 28 21:43
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wayland in Fedora 23 Linux Allows for Use of	Aug 28 21:43
TweetTuxMachines	Multiple Monitors with Different DPIs	Aug 28 21:43
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/bSdNW4qdbj (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 28 21:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nl8ww	Aug 28 21:43
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MinceR	get bigger monitors :>	Aug 28 22:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NetworkManager 1.0.6 brings metered connections	Aug 28 23:13
TweetTuxMachines	API and more http://t.co/LbEwGwSqNX	Aug 28 23:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Leftovers http://t.co/kUmsRR60Pe	Aug 28 23:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat and Fedora http://t.co/WAXsRlqOjA	Aug 28 23:13
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 28 23:13
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MinceR	i don't know	Aug 28 23:19
MinceR	oops, wrong paste	Aug 28 23:19
MinceR	https://newmatilda.com/2015/08/26/13-simple-exciting-ways-lose-your-citizenship-tony-abbotts-team-australia	Aug 28 23:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-newmatilda.com \| 13 Simple But Exciting Ways To Lose Your Citizenship In Tony Abbott's Team Australia \| newmatilda.com [ http://ur1.ca/nl9zh ]		Aug 28 23:19
MinceR	end of rule of law in australia?	Aug 28 23:19
MinceR	"no conviction is needed for the above to happen"	Aug 28 23:20
MinceR	apparently also end of freedom of speech	Aug 28 23:22
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MinceR	https://tlhp.cf/lennart-poettering-su/	Aug 28 23:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tlhp.cf \| Lennart Poettering merged “su” command replacement into systemd: Test Drive on Fedora Rawhide \| The Linux Homefront Project		Aug 28 23:27
DaemonFC	MinceR, I hope that's an Onion article.	Aug 28 23:32
MinceR	unfortunately, it isn't	Aug 28 23:33
MinceR	i was hoping lendows was just an april 1 joke gone too far	Aug 28 23:33
DaemonFC	"Well, there have been long discussions about this, but the problem is that what "su" is supposed to do is very unclear."	Aug 28 23:33
MinceR	but it just keeps going and going	Aug 28 23:33
DaemonFC	Uhhhm, no. It's very clear.	Aug 28 23:33
DaemonFC	If you have trouble, read the manpage. :)	Aug 28 23:33
MinceR	also, apparently poettering was unable to find `su -`	Aug 28 23:33
MinceR	documentation is not "modern" anymore, apparently	Aug 28 23:34
cubexyz	so much for Fedora... it's a pity	Aug 28 23:34
MinceR	pulling stuff out of one's ass is the new thing to do	Aug 28 23:34
MinceR	fedora always sucked	Aug 28 23:34
MinceR	their package manager sucks, their backer (redcrap) sucks, their attitude sucks	Aug 28 23:34
MinceR	their DE sucks	Aug 28 23:34
cubexyz	what DE?	Aug 28 23:35
DaemonFC	Now you have to relearn the entire operating system because they decided that coreutils aren't good enough.	Aug 28 23:35
DaemonFC	Fuuuuuuuuuck	Aug 28 23:35
MinceR	gnome	Aug 28 23:35
cubexyz	but FC1 had KDE	Aug 28 23:35
MinceR	by default?	Aug 28 23:35
cubexyz	can't remember	Aug 28 23:35
DaemonFC	MinceR, It doesn't look to me like they've added anything.	Aug 28 23:35
DaemonFC	They just changed the commands.	Aug 28 23:36
DaemonFC	And declared it to be part of systemd	Aug 28 23:36
MinceR	they also made the implementation impossibly baroque	Aug 28 23:36
MinceR	most likely	Aug 28 23:36
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/old-desktop-2005.png	Aug 28 23:36
DaemonFC	Charlie Kravetz: I see problems for the physically disabled unless the timer is able to be set by the user. Many of us can not hit any key three times in one second.	Aug 28 23:36
MinceR	poettering hates disabled people?	Aug 28 23:37
cubexyz	I used konstruct to add KDE 3.4.2 to FC1	Aug 28 23:37
DaemonFC	So, they're also throwing away their Americans with Disabilities Act compliance and making Fedora and Red Hat desktop operating systems unusable by publicly funded organizations such as libraries? Perfect.	Aug 28 23:37
MinceR	:)	Aug 28 23:37
cubexyz	Red Hat funded GNOME but Red Hat did not invent GNOME	Aug 28 23:38
MinceR	they do seem to be in control, though	Aug 28 23:38
cubexyz	anyways Redhat 6.1 and Redhat 8 were fine	Aug 28 23:38
MinceR	gnome shares the same idiotic mindset as systemd and redcrap	Aug 28 23:39
cubexyz	the crappy stuff came later	Aug 28 23:39
DaemonFC	No, back in the day, GNOME was mostly a Ximian thing that was loosely affiliated with the Free Software Foundation.	Aug 28 23:39
cubexyz	GNOME was from GNU was it not?	Aug 28 23:39
MinceR	and the FSF kept supporting gnome even after gnome stabbed them in the back repeatedly	Aug 28 23:40
DaemonFC	Eazel spent a lot of money making Nautilus a very nice program, and then went out of business. GNOME later went back and removed all of the features.	Aug 28 23:40
MinceR	yes, it's part of the GNU Project	Aug 28 23:40
DaemonFC	MinceR, sort of.	Aug 28 23:40
MinceR	iirc it stands for GNU Network Object Model Environment	Aug 28 23:40
DaemonFC	They've threatened to leave a number of times because some GNOME developers don't like the FSF.	Aug 28 23:40
MinceR	one of gnome's default applications is tomboy, which depends on mono	Aug 28 23:40
MinceR	apparently they've poisoned the well instead	Aug 28 23:41
DaemonFC	It's not a default application. It's one of the applications they host development of though.	Aug 28 23:41
MinceR	gnome has become useless and toxic	Aug 28 23:41
MinceR	then why is tomboy prominently featured here? https://www.gnome.org/applications/	Aug 28 23:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnome.org \| Applications – GNOME		Aug 28 23:42
cubexyz	xchat uses gtk	Aug 28 23:42
MinceR	and there's also banshee, right in the #1 spot	Aug 28 23:42
DaemonFC	So is Banshee, but you almost never get that unless you install it.	Aug 28 23:42
DaemonFC	Rhythmbox is the default on most distributions.	Aug 28 23:42
cubexyz	MinceR, we need a new distro	Aug 28 23:42
MinceR	we need a clean gnu/linux	Aug 28 23:43
DaemonFC	https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Apps/Gnote?action=show&redirect=Gnote	Aug 28 23:43
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DaemonFC	The Tomboy developers were freaking out about this.	Aug 28 23:43
cubexyz	gqview and xchat, two gtk programs I use every day	Aug 28 23:45
cubexyz	not to mention firefox	Aug 28 23:45
MinceR	i use plenty	Aug 28 23:45
MinceR	but i can just keep using gtk2 and qt4	Aug 28 23:46
cubexyz	have you ever tried FLWM?	Aug 28 23:47
MinceR	not yet	Aug 28 23:48
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6520307	Aug 28 23:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "NO NO NO systemd does it better because <insert confusing buzzwords that will bamboozle executives and journalists>" https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/1022		Aug 28 23:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> github.com \| Add new "machinectl shell" command for su(1)-like behaviour by poettering · Pull Request #1022 · systemd/systemd · GitHub [ http://ur1.ca/nl647 ]		Aug 28 23:50
schestowitz	"I don’t know about better, but systemd always does things easier and more consistently."	Aug 28 23:50
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Aug 28 23:51
DaemonFC	Just now ·	Aug 28 23:51
DaemonFC	She didn't take an oath to uphold the bible. She took an oath to uphold the United States Constitution. She has arrogantly said that she will ignore the Supreme Court if she doesn't like their ruling, and that she will not resign her $80,000 a year job.	Aug 28 23:51
DaemonFC	This means that someone will need to remove her from office for contempt of court and failing to follow her oath to uphold the Constitution.	Aug 28 23:51
DaemonFC	Oh, and where will she get another cushy job like this? That's her problem. Like most foul bureaucrats, she probably has no qualifications other than winning the last election in a yard sign war, but hey, Walmart is always hiring.	Aug 28 23:51
DaemonFC	http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2015/08/kentucky-clerk-asks-us-supreme-court-to-intervene-in-marriage-case/	Aug 28 23:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.lgbtqnation.com \| BREAKING: Kentucky clerk asks US Supreme Court to intervene in marriage case – LGBTQ Nation [ http://ur1.ca/nlabd ]		Aug 28 23:51
MinceR	distrowatch says fedora always had gnome by default	Aug 28 23:57
MinceR	http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=fedora	Aug 28 23:57
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MinceR	also, redmond^Wredhat [enterprise] linux always had gnome or nothing(?) >> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=redhat	Aug 28 23:57
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DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 28 23:59
DaemonFC	When Reagan emptied out the mental health hospitals and they went out to the streets, I think it was obvious that about 80 or 90% of the people that he dumped onto the streets really needed to be in an institution. We're talking about people who are totally detached from reality and are talking to the air in public. (No, not Christians. Schizophrenics. But you could be forgiven for the confusion caused by that ambiguity.)	Aug 28 23:59
DaemonFC	----	Aug 28 23:59
DaemonFC	An intern psychiatrist was shadowing another psychiatrist through a mental health hospital. He got to one of the patients and asked him, "Who are you, sir?". The patient responded, "I, sir, am Napoleon!". The intern asks, "And what makes you think that?". The patient replies, "God told me!". The man in the next bed leans over and shouts, "I MOST CERTAINLY DID NOT!". ;)	Aug 28 23:59
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cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/redhat-6.2.png	Aug 29 00:00
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MinceR	as the default, i mean	Aug 29 00:00
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MinceR	DaemonFC: lol	Aug 29 00:01
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DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 29 00:12
DaemonFC	The difference between an AI that can pass a turing test and a Republican is that an AI that can pass a turing test might exist sometime in the next 50 years.	Aug 29 00:12
DaemonFC	One of the biggest challenges for smart AI is the ability to comprehend natural language conversations. Trump's supporters are barely proficient in English to the point where the 800 word Basic English vocabulary is really putting a strain on their cognitive abilities.	Aug 29 00:12
DaemonFC	I mean, let's face it. I've had better conversations in English with the people you get on 1-800-COMCAST.	Aug 29 00:13
MinceR	i wonder if poettering could pass the turing test	Aug 29 00:14
cubexyz	some of the chatbots are decent	Aug 29 00:14
cubexyz	can't handle "shift the ascii values of your next reply by two" though :)	Aug 29 00:15
cubexyz	or "what is a ten letter word containing x and l	Aug 29 00:15
DaemonFC	MinceR, I had some strong words for the "Democrat" they're running against our current governor.	Aug 29 00:15
DaemonFC	I left them on the guy's campaign page on Facebook.	Aug 29 00:15
DaemonFC	Well that's just great. He describes himself as a born-again Christian and then shows how tolerant born-again Christians are with him. How do you deal with the American Taliban when they've already refused to even sit and talk with you? Said John Gregg, "I called some Christian groups who wouldn't meet with me because I was a Democrat. I was attacked by some of my fellow Christians because I campaigned for a gay man running for the State	Aug 29 00:16
DaemonFC	Senate. I was scorned by many pro-life groups because I belong to the Democrat Party." When will he quit trying to be the Diet Coke of Mike Pence? All that Mike Pence flavor, with just one little calorie. GTFO and run a real Democrat. If we're going to lose, we might as well not embarrass ourselves with this idiot in the process.	Aug 29 00:16
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msb__	Maybe those Christians think that the most important aspect of christianity is crucifying people.	Aug 29 01:43
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msb__	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLWhNiT5Lwg	Aug 29 02:17
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msb__	^^ Interview with a major GcMAF researcher. ^^	Aug 29 02:20
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msb__	Major GcMAF site. Click on "Navigation": https://gcmaf.se/	Aug 29 02:25
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msb__	http://www.immunobiotech.eu/	Aug 29 02:25
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msb__	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LAqnxvajnM	Aug 29 02:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| 8/12/2015 - Dead Doctors And The GcMAF Connection - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nlcyl ]		Aug 29 02:45
DaemonFC	https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11888056_485280701639972_7312853484790222299_n.jpg?oh=723600ca3aff284760e512aef2a55387&oe=5639E551	Aug 29 03:58
DaemonFC	https://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_et_up_redir?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdPage=1&cdThread=TxU4SAEMNK5QTS&newContentID=MxC70IURS4HAU8#MxC70IURS4HAU8	Aug 29 04:53
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DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 29 04:53
DaemonFC	http://www.theindychannel.com/news/alert-about-a-possible-freeway-sniper-on-i-94-i-69-near-battle-creek	Aug 29 04:53
DaemonFC	Police are warning motorists that there's a freeway sniper shooting at cars on Interstate 69 near Battle Creek, Michigan.	Aug 29 04:53
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6520318	Aug 29 08:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Rant about the latest from #systemd - "I'm not expecting it to change any time soon. " https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20150828.153225.e2298dfd.en.html #lennux		Aug 29 08:09
schestowitz	"There’s a serious alternative to all the distros coming with systemd: GNU Guix. And it has its own init system: dmd (you certainly have heard of it)."	Aug 29 08:09
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schestowitz	"looks interesting - esp stuff about guile"	Aug 29 08:09
schestowitz	"Yes; the approach to package management is quite unique I think. Take a look at the presentation at FOSDEM 15: https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/"	Aug 29 08:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnu.org \| GNU's advanced distro and transactional package manager — GuixSD		Aug 29 08:09
schestowitz	"I’m not that interested in the package system - I read about that before. I have never agreed with complicated package systems, no matter how much fun they may have been to create :)"	Aug 29 08:09
schestowitz	"It actually simplifies a lot of things… :)"	Aug 29 08:09
schestowitz	"	Aug 29 08:10
schestowitz	We’ll agree to differ :)	Aug 29 08:10
schestowitz	Most Slackware users are happy with a more straightforward system. - and always have been. In fact the RPM system was always included with Slackware - since it is a standard - but it was never used - except by Suse which used to be Slack based.	Aug 29 08:10
schestowitz	"	Aug 29 08:10
schestowitz	"The only disadvantage with Slacks way, is it that installs only to root - so installing to ~/local/… has to be handled separately - that was why I investigated guix - but it added unnecessary complications - alas."	Aug 29 08:10
schestowitz	"What complications?"	Aug 29 08:10
schestowitz	"	Aug 29 08:10
schestowitz	For example, alice installs GCC 4.7.2. As a result, /home/alice/.guix-profile/bin/gcc points to /gnu/store/…-gcc-4.7.2/bin/gcc. Now, on the same machine, bob had already installed GCC 4.8.0. The profile of bob simply continues to point to /gnu/store/…-gcc-4.8.0/bin/gcc—i.e., both versions of GCC coexist on the same system without any interference.	Aug 29 08:10
schestowitz	Well - instead of .gnuix-profile providing a bottleneck of having to look in .gui-profile - a bit like the registry in windows - and putting the programs in /gnu/store - i.e. in a fixed place just like slack does - why not just install them in /home/alice/local/ and /home/bob/local/ and use library paths?	Aug 29 08:10
schestowitz	Let the user have a package system for the home directory - but this should not be the same as the central system - the one is user-installed and the other is root-installed - an important difference - both for the user and sysadmin.	Aug 29 08:10
schestowitz	"	Aug 29 08:10
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6520307	Aug 29 08:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "NO NO NO systemd does it better because <insert confusing buzzwords that will bamboozle executives and journalists>" https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/1022		Aug 29 08:23
schestowitz	"Poettering’s motto: It isn’t broken, but fix it anyway, replacing it with something even more complicated."	Aug 29 08:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> github.com \| Add new "machinectl shell" command for su(1)-like behaviour by poettering · Pull Request #1022 · systemd/systemd · GitHub [ http://ur1.ca/nl647 ]		Aug 29 08:23
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SecurityDialog/status/637531085778354176	Aug 29 08:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SecurityDialog: Hooray! https://t.co/o6HyRkuOt2		Aug 29 08:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: So, beginning September 1, Chrome will no longer auto-play Flash-based ads https://t.co/tBCemDOy2C #killFlash		Aug 29 08:51
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/637532550018265088	Aug 29 08:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz A step in the right direction for an obsolete and inadequate format.		Aug 29 08:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines nsenter gains SELinux support	Aug 29 08:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TCXnOpgtxu	Aug 29 08:56
TweetTuxMachines	(danwalsh.livejournal.com)	Aug 29 08:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Three-quarters of WhatsApp users are on	Aug 29 08:57
TweetTuxMachines	Android, 22% on iOS (study)	Aug 29 08:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/5C7dCWNqSe (venturebeat.com)	Aug 29 08:57
TweetTuxMachines	#android far more dominant.	Aug 29 08:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-venturebeat.com \| Three-quarters of WhatsApp users are on Android, 22% on iOS (study) \| VentureBeat \| Apps \| by Paul Sawers		Aug 29 08:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nlhqk	Aug 29 08:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Motorola, LG reportedly unveiling new Android	Aug 29 08:57
TweetTuxMachines	Wear smartwatches alongside ASUS and Huawei at	Aug 29 08:57
TweetTuxMachines	IFA 2015	Aug 29 08:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/3zkPDHCVKr (phandroid.com)	Aug 29 08:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-phandroid.com \| Motorola, LG reportedly unveiling new Android Wear smartwatches alongside ASUS and Huawei at IFA 2015		Aug 29 08:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nlhql	Aug 29 08:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel invests $60 million in drone venture	Aug 29 09:03
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/FL4vIvgXHt (linuxgizmos.com)	Aug 29 09:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Intel invests $60 million in drone venture · LinuxGizmos.com		Aug 29 09:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Firefox 40.0.3 Arrives in All Ubuntu OSes	Aug 29 09:03
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/JefmVgJ2Nk (linux.softpedia.com)	Aug 29 09:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nlhsj	Aug 29 09:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Firefox 40.0.3 Arrives in All Ubuntu OSes - Softpedia		Aug 29 09:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Developers Discuss Codenames, GNOME 3.18	Aug 29 09:03
TweetTuxMachines	Might be Dubbed "Gothenburg"	Aug 29 09:03
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Ipwxusq6vt (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 29 09:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nlhsk	Aug 29 09:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| GNOME Developers Discuss Codenames, GNOME 3.18 Might be Dubbed "Gothenburg" - Softpedia		Aug 29 09:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Update on Wayland support in Fedora 23	Aug 29 09:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/NntkuiMkOq (fedoramagazine.org)	Aug 29 09:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/UhKghBzkoD (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 29 09:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org \| Update on Wayland support in Fedora 23 - Fedora Magazine		Aug 29 09:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Wayland in Fedora 23 Linux Allows for Use of Multiple Monitors with Different DPIs - Softpedia		Aug 29 09:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How to get genuinely free Android apps and free	Aug 29 09:06
TweetTuxMachines	Android games	Aug 29 09:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/NQ2OdoqVp1 (www.pcadvisor.co.uk)	Aug 29 09:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcadvisor.co.uk \| How to get genuinely free Android apps and free Android games - How-To - PC Advisor		Aug 29 09:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/OAcCE5MRRd (www.theguardian.com)	Aug 29 09:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| Amazon Underground aims to make Android apps and games 'actually free' \| Technology \| The Guardian		Aug 29 09:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Second Successful Ubuntu Hackathon Ends in	Aug 29 09:07
TweetTuxMachines	China http://t.co/z9XwuwLOBb	Aug 29 09:07
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Aug 29 09:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Second Successful Ubuntu Hackathon Ends in China - Softpedia		Aug 29 09:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Getting more secure Android 6.0 Marshmallow	Aug 29 09:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/M99FEL2s1L (www.zdnet.com)	Aug 29 09:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Google details new runtime permissions in more secure Android 6.0 Marshmallow \| ZDNet		Aug 29 09:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/5zNUAHWKG4 (www.slashgear.com)	Aug 29 09:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.slashgear.com \| Android 6.0 apps can ask permissions only when needed - SlashGear		Aug 29 09:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ayD6uXxlcC (www.slashgear.com)	Aug 29 09:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.slashgear.com \| Android Marshmallow Update: Granting Permission - SlashGear		Aug 29 09:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Auto now has a desktop emulator for	Aug 29 09:13
TweetTuxMachines	developers http://t.co/likUDD3hwC	Aug 29 09:13
TweetTuxMachines	(thenextweb.com) http://t.co/M1YP0gFZyY	Aug 29 09:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenextweb.com \| Android Auto now has a desktop emulator for developers		Aug 29 09:13
TweetTuxMachines	(arstechnica.com)	Aug 29 09:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Devs can now emulate in-car experience with Android Auto Desktop Head Unit \| Ars Technica		Aug 29 09:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Lubuntu 15.10 Beta 1 Still Doesn't Use LXQt,	Aug 29 09:13
TweetTuxMachines	Now Powered by Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS	Aug 29 09:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/KKlyAODzTI (linux.softpedia.com)	Aug 29 09:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Lubuntu 15.10 Beta 1 Still Doesn't Use LXQt, Now Powered by Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS - Softpedia		Aug 29 09:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME 3.17.91 beta tarballs due (and more)	Aug 29 09:22
TweetTuxMachines	(responsible: jjardon) http://t.co/Say4QfnqKE	Aug 29 09:22
TweetTuxMachines	(permalink.gmane.org)	Aug 29 09:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-permalink.gmane.org \| GNOME 3.17.91 beta tarballs due (and more) (responsible: jjardon)		Aug 29 09:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Unity Linux Experimental Build now available,	Aug 29 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	Supports Tizen http://t.co/jrt8iHt0lK	Aug 29 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tizenexperts.com)	Aug 29 09:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google Revamps How Apps Appear in Android	Aug 29 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	Search Results	Aug 29 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/srhmeblAIY (gadgets.ndtv.com)	Aug 29 09:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gadgets.ndtv.com \| Google Revamps How Apps Appear in Android Search Results \| NDTV Gadgets		Aug 29 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/dX5px1gG89 (www.engadget.com)	Aug 29 09:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com \| Google adds some visual flair to Android app searches		Aug 29 09:23
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/637540654969716736	Aug 29 09:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz @Mozilla kills #Firefox. They are cutting functionality and becoming yet another censor, like #Google https://t.co/KxL9itsJp8		Aug 29 09:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: #Bye, @Mozilla & @Firefox "will require all extensions to be validated and signed by Mozilla starting in Firefox 41" https://t.co/pVpWooPDM4		Aug 29 09:26
schestowitz	"GFWL 2.0 And DX12 is here"	Aug 29 09:31
schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxActionShow/comments/3iq4m6/microsoft_loves_linux_to_death_and_still_tries_to/	Aug 29 09:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com \| Microsoft Loves Linux to Death and Still Tries to Kill GNU/Linux : LinuxActionShow [ http://ur1.ca/nl5vz ]		Aug 29 09:31
__martin__	geekingsa	Aug 29 09:41
__martin__	w/o a*	Aug 29 09:41
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jonobacon/status/637543436451627008	Aug 29 09:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jonobacon: @schestowitz how am I making the case? I am expressly critical of Canonical's IP policy.		Aug 29 09:43
__martin__	..already installing uBlock for Mozilla out of their addons repo since their review process can be pain in the ass	Aug 29 09:43
schestowitz	the way I read this, a lot of Canonical's defences/apologism echoed, when in fact I hardly find these excusable	Aug 29 09:44
schestowitz	Desire for revenue is not a defence, ever.... it's the yuppie nuremberg principle	Aug 29 09:45
schestowitz	saying "IP" is also unhelpful	Aug 29 09:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Plasma 5.4 Enhances Linux Desktop	Aug 29 09:47
TweetTuxMachines	Experience http://t.co/qDYSzRh0Sw	Aug 29 09:47
TweetTuxMachines	(www.eweek.com)	Aug 29 09:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eweek.com \| KDE Plasma 5.4 Enhances Linux Desktop Experience		Aug 29 09:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CEO John Chen Says BlackBerry Devices Need More	Aug 29 09:47
TweetTuxMachines	Apps, but Won’t Confirm Android Plans	Aug 29 09:47
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/GPXbqMea2v (recode.net)	Aug 29 09:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-recode.net \| CEO John Chen Says BlackBerry Devices Need More Apps \| Re/code		Aug 29 09:47
schestowitz	the appeal for revenue is also repeated in the final paragraph, so I'm interpreting this as a false dichotomy of sorts..	Aug 29 09:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Now @jonobacon makes the case for canonical	Aug 29 09:47
TweetTuxMachines	monopolising blobs generated (compiled) not	Aug 29 09:47
TweetTuxMachines	from its source code http://t.co/x4dTYwzlzc	Aug 29 09:47
TweetTuxMachines	(www.jonobacon.org)	Aug 29 09:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jonobacon.org \| Ubuntu, Canonical, and IP \| jonobacon@home		Aug 29 09:47
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/637556436021714944	Aug 29 10:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @jdub Wow ! Reminds me of a # Google developer I met once :) @schestowitz		Aug 29 10:27
schestowitz	uncle Fester looks similar to Ballmer	Aug 29 10:27
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/637557848143216640	Aug 29 10:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz @jdub Went for an interview with Bil and Bal in Redmond once. I have to agree.		Aug 29 10:33
schestowitz	What year?	Aug 29 10:33
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/637558831556505600	Aug 29 10:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz @jdub Funny thing is Greg Stein walked out of M$ after he talked to me https://t.co/1cCveBfLxC http://t.co/kmlh93h89K		Aug 29 10:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> en.wikipedia.org \| Greg Stein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Aug 29 10:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz @jdub Funny thing is Greg Stein walked out of M$ after he talked to me https://t.co/1cCveBfLxC http://t.co/kmlh93h89K		Aug 29 10:37
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/637559004319903744	Aug 29 10:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz @jdub Oh.. can't remember now. Long time ago...		Aug 29 10:38
schestowitz	Pre GNU?	Aug 29 10:38
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/637560502156140544	Aug 29 11:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz @jdub Just about. I was talking to RMS well before that. Since the late 90's. I had to work out how to build the 1st Fosdem.		Aug 29 11:01
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/HadoopDaily/status/637573256208224256	Aug 29 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@HadoopDaily: #bigdata and #surveillance http://t.co/ifuvHyLtmk see the #hadoop connection to #nifi and #nsa now - via @schestowitz		Aug 29 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.forbes.com \| NSA Mass Surveillance: Biggest Big Data Story		Aug 29 11:32
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__martin__	MinceR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=15&v=hUfmONX7i60 (especially look at the comments below // dat rage)	Aug 29 12:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Lennart Poettering merged "su" command replacement into systemd - Test Drive on Fedora Rawhide - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nljs5 ]		Aug 29 12:32
cubexyz	they won't be happy until systemd is the entire OS	Aug 29 12:46
cubexyz	the mistake people make with software is that they immediately switch over to new versions without any critical thinking	Aug 29 12:48
cubexyz	it's just "oooh new shiny" then mindlessly install the new version	Aug 29 12:48
cubexyz	at the very least, keep your working system(s) and add another computer to test the new system	Aug 29 12:49
XRevan86	cubexyz: Are you talking about "su replacement" in systemd?	Aug 29 12:49
cubexyz	that's part of it	Aug 29 12:49
XRevan86	An isolated shell creator in machinectl	Aug 29 12:50
XRevan86	which Poettering never called a su replacement	Aug 29 12:50
XRevan86	I guess news just like to make a fuss.	Aug 29 12:51
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XRevan86	cubexyz: Sorry, but you don't sound convincing with such an example :).	Aug 29 12:53
XRevan86	Firefox, Firefox… new shiny problems.	Aug 29 12:53
cubexyz	it's a general divergence from Unix principles	Aug 29 12:54
cubexyz	and yes, new Firefox is worse than old Firefox	Aug 29 12:54
XRevan86	cubexyz: Having an option to start an isolated shell more like a new session?	Aug 29 12:54
cubexyz	'isolated shell'	Aug 29 12:55
cubexyz	what is that?	Aug 29 12:55
cubexyz	sounds like they copied a Microsoft idea	Aug 29 12:56
cubexyz	there's a restricted shell already	Aug 29 12:56
XRevan86	https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/825#issuecomment-127917622	Aug 29 12:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com \| RFE: machinectl to provide starting new session on local machine · Issue #825 · systemd/systemd · GitHub [ http://ur1.ca/nlk19 ]		Aug 29 12:57
XRevan86	That's what Lennart said.	Aug 29 12:57
cubexyz	su is not unclear	Aug 29 12:57
cubexyz	he's wrong	Aug 29 12:57
cubexyz	he's basically anti-Unix	Aug 29 12:58
XRevan86	> but it's not a full login, and shouldn't be mistaken for one	Aug 29 12:58
XRevan86	cubexyz: Is that wrong?	Aug 29 12:58
XRevan86	Is su a full login?	Aug 29 12:58
cubexyz	it's morphed over the years	Aug 29 13:00
cubexyz	in 1BSD it was to 'set user id'	Aug 29 13:01
cubexyz	it executed getpwid	Aug 29 13:01
XRevan86	cubexyz: And the idea behind "machinectl shell" is exactly to give a full login,	Aug 29 13:01
cubexyz	it reads /etc/passwd	Aug 29 13:02
XRevan86	and only that	Aug 29 13:02
XRevan86	Not to replace su for sure.	Aug 29 13:02
cubexyz	so for 30+ years we managed to run Unix without systemd	Aug 29 13:03
cubexyz	but now we can't?	Aug 29 13:03
XRevan86	So for centuries we managed to live our lives without PC's :).	Aug 29 13:03
XRevan86	cubexyz: I'm not saying anything about systemd being good or useful right now.	Aug 29 13:04
XRevan86	Just that this particular feature is not evil.	Aug 29 13:04
cubexyz	except 'we' didn't live for centuries, although the idea is appealing enough	Aug 29 13:04
cubexyz	I lived about one decade without PCs	Aug 29 13:04
cubexyz	there's some OSes which would be hard to defend	Aug 29 13:06
cubexyz	but Unix did a lot of things right	Aug 29 13:06
cubexyz	people really need to relook at Unix v7	Aug 29 13:06
msb__	XRevan86: Poettering is calling it a replacement for su: https://tlhp.cf/lennart-poettering-su/	Aug 29 13:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tlhp.cf \| Lennart Poettering merged “su” command replacement into systemd: Test Drive on Fedora Rawhide \| The Linux Homefront Project		Aug 29 13:07
cubexyz	I guess Poettering is saying he wants a "machine shell"	Aug 29 13:07
cubexyz	non-human shell	Aug 29 13:07
XRevan86	msb__: This is not his site.	Aug 29 13:08
XRevan86	msb__: I even know a guy whose website this is :).	Aug 29 13:08
cubexyz	my main question is what did they use before?	Aug 29 13:09
cubexyz	there's the restricted bash shell	Aug 29 13:09
XRevan86	… and a guy who started the bugreport %)	Aug 29 13:09
cubexyz	divergence from Unix, mark my words	Aug 29 13:11
cubexyz	I guess he looked at ioctl and figured well, I can have a bunch of somethingctl commands	Aug 29 13:15
cubexyz	ioctl came from v7, and really it's a bit arcane but that's where SysV got it from	Aug 29 13:16
schestowitz	Links 29/8/2015: NetworkManager 1.0.6, Systemd Merges “su” Command Replacement http://techrights.org/2015/08/29/networkmanager-1-0-6/	Aug 29 13:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 29/8/2015: NetworkManager 1.0.6, Systemd Merges “su” Command Replacement \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nlk8g ]		Aug 29 13:16
cubexyz	if someone said, ok you can still do things the old way, but there's also this new way you could try...	Aug 29 13:18
cubexyz	that would be different	Aug 29 13:18
cubexyz	but it's systemd's way or the highway and that's not acceptable	Aug 29 13:18
msb__	Is this new abomination going to churn a lot of programs so they are dependent on systemd, making it more difficult to eliminate systemd?	Aug 29 13:21
XRevan86	msb__: No.	Aug 29 13:22
XRevan86	A completely non-controversial new feature.	Aug 29 13:22
cubexyz	GNOME has a systemd dependency	Aug 29 13:22
XRevan86	And yet, such a feedback.	Aug 29 13:22
cubexyz	you can't get rid of systemd in trinity either	Aug 29 13:23
cubexyz	it's not optional	Aug 29 13:23
XRevan86	cubexyz: Is it systemd as whole or just logind?	Aug 29 13:23
msb__	The trinity devs said on their mailing-list that they would never use systemd.	Aug 29 13:23
msb__	They are opposed to it.	Aug 29 13:24
cubexyz	ok, then q4os borked it up	Aug 29 13:24
cubexyz	let me fire it up and I'll try to remove systemd and tell you what it says	Aug 29 13:25
msb__	If it threatens your immortal soul, don't believe it. Be strong!	Aug 29 13:26
msb__	systemd really _is_ a demon, and it lies!	Aug 29 13:27
msb__	The power of Thompson and Ritchie compels you!	Aug 29 13:33
cubexyz	ok, basically apt-get remove libsystemd will also remove kalgebra and kubrick and a ton of other programs	Aug 29 13:37
cubexyz	so maybe kubrick and kalgebra aren't trinity programs but KDE proper	Aug 29 13:38
XRevan86	cubexyz: Do you try to remove libjack?	Aug 29 13:39
XRevan86	libjack and libpulse – pure evil.	Aug 29 13:40
XRevan86	cubexyz: Straight to the point: stop removing libraries, you can't, stuff is linked to them.	Aug 29 13:41
XRevan86	even when stuff don't require JACK to operate, it still linked with libjack by a package maintainer	Aug 29 13:41
cubexyz	I could delete the files	Aug 29 13:43
cubexyz	libjack? let me try it	Aug 29 13:43
XRevan86	and break everything	Aug 29 13:43
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/637603068272623616	Aug 29 13:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Any idea why my Twitter feed is inlcuding GIFs when I copy and paste a URL into a tweet ? @schestowitz		Aug 29 13:44
schestowitz	I noticed that	Aug 29 13:44
XRevan86	cubexyz: When a program is dynamically linked to a shared library, it is not possible to remove a library without breaking everything except with recompilation.	Aug 29 13:45
XRevan86	Of course, in precompiled distributions maintainers try to link with every library possible in order to give users possibilities to use any feature possible.	Aug 29 13:46
XRevan86	If you use JACK and don't want to Gentoo everything, you'll appreciate that.	Aug 29 13:46
cubexyz	sorry, I can't sudo apt-get remove libsystemd-login0	Aug 29 13:46
XRevan86	Or libcups. What if maintainer hates printers?	Aug 29 13:47
XRevan86	cubexyz: Was it you who said kilobytes of libraries are still precious?	Aug 29 13:48
cubexyz	ok, this is exactly what it says when I try to remove libsystemd-login0:	Aug 29 13:48
XRevan86	and should be released	Aug 29 13:48
XRevan86	cubexyz: I can guess what it says.	Aug 29 13:48
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/q4os-remove-libsystemd-login0.txt	Aug 29 13:48
XRevan86	cubexyz: This is not systemd, this is libsystemd.	Aug 29 13:49
cubexyz	I'd have to uninstall kdebase-trinity	Aug 29 13:49
XRevan86	Stop deleting libraries, they mean nothing.	Aug 29 13:49
cubexyz	I didn't delete anything	Aug 29 13:50
XRevan86	> when I try to remove libsystemd-login0	Aug 29 13:50
XRevan86	cubexyz: You tried.	Aug 29 13:50
cubexyz	I merely typed in the command then I didn't complete it	Aug 29 13:50
cubexyz	read the bottom part	Aug 29 13:50
XRevan86	cubexyz: Removing dbus is harmful.	Aug 29 13:50
cubexyz	obviously libsystemd is intertwined into q4os and I can't remove it	Aug 29 13:51
XRevan86	cubexyz: You can replace Debian repos with Devuan ones.	Aug 29 13:51
XRevan86	That should reduce amount of libsystemd reverse deps.	Aug 29 13:51
XRevan86	cubexyz: Or possibly Q4OS doesn't directly use Debian repos, in that case no action can be done.	Aug 29 13:52
cubexyz	well, it's just another test system	Aug 29 13:53
cubexyz	not really a big deal	Aug 29 13:53
XRevan86	cubexyz: libsystemd is not a big deal anyway. Not even systemd-shim.	Aug 29 13:54
cubexyz	it's just disappointing	Aug 29 13:54
XRevan86	cubexyz: It just means that distro gives an option to use systemd.	Aug 29 13:54
XRevan86	and is binary	Aug 29 13:54
XRevan86	cubexyz: So your disappointment is that Q4OS actually makes it possible to use systemd.	Aug 29 13:54
cubexyz	no :)	Aug 29 13:55
XRevan86	cubexyz: But yes	Aug 29 13:55
cubexyz	I'm disappointed that I can't _remove_ it	Aug 29 13:55
XRevan86	cubexyz: You can't remove such a library from a binary distro.	Aug 29 13:55
XRevan86	cubexyz: That's what I trying to say.	Aug 29 13:56
cubexyz	I don't even think I am using systemd	Aug 29 13:56
cubexyz	and I still can't remove systemd-login0	Aug 29 13:57
XRevan86	cubexyz: I don't use JACK.	Aug 29 13:57
cubexyz	pretty gummed up	Aug 29 13:57
XRevan86	and I still can't remove jack0	Aug 29 13:57
cubexyz	ok, that's kind of my point... that's bad :)	Aug 29 13:57
cubexyz	it's not good	Aug 29 13:58
XRevan86	cubexyz: That's the only way possible.	Aug 29 13:58
XRevan86	except for static linking	Aug 29 13:58
XRevan86	in that case libsystemd-login0 would be inside programs	Aug 29 13:58
XRevan86	and you wouldn't even know	Aug 29 13:58
cubexyz	I don't understand why I need libsystemd-anything	Aug 29 13:58
cubexyz	and why is there a zero on the end?	Aug 29 13:59
XRevan86	cubexyz: Because programs link to it.	Aug 29 13:59
XRevan86	cubexyz: Come on, you supposed to know stuff about UNIX!	Aug 29 14:00
cubexyz	that's not Unix	Aug 29 14:00
XRevan86	cubexyz: That is UNIX.	Aug 29 14:00
cubexyz	libsystemd is not Unix, sorry no	Aug 29 14:00
XRevan86	libfoo.0.1.2	Aug 29 14:00
XRevan86	oops	Aug 29 14:00
cubexyz	you can call it a Unix-like system if you like	Aug 29 14:00
XRevan86	libfoo.so.0.1.2	Aug 29 14:00
XRevan86	UNIX shared library foo of an ABI version 0, subversion 1.2.	Aug 29 14:01
cubexyz	it's not in BSD that's for sure	Aug 29 14:01
XRevan86	cubexyz: I'm pretty sure it is.	Aug 29 14:01
XRevan86	/usr/lib/ must exist there :)	Aug 29 14:01
XRevan86	and programs dynamically link to stuff inside	Aug 29 14:02
cubexyz	/usr/lib is there, and some libraries are dynamically linked but libsystemd-blah is not in BSD!	Aug 29 14:02
XRevan86	> So your disappointment is that Q4OS actually makes it possible to use systemd.	Aug 29 14:03
XRevan86	then again	Aug 29 14:03
cubexyz	unless GNOME dragged in libsystemd-blah	Aug 29 14:03
XRevan86	cubexyz: But other stuff with the same reasons is.	Aug 29 14:03
XRevan86	Because dynamic linking!	Aug 29 14:03
XRevan86	dbus is compiled with systemd _support_ and so it links to libsystemd0 and libsystemd-login0.	Aug 29 14:04
XRevan86	In binary distros either support and linkage is there (both at the same time) or it's not.	Aug 29 14:05
XRevan86	cubexyz: If you want to remove libsystemd, you want to purge systemd from the whole distribution at any level possible.	Aug 29 14:06
cubexyz	why does kubrick have to link to libsystemd-login0?	Aug 29 14:06
cubexyz	it's stupid	Aug 29 14:06
cubexyz	right, that's what I want	Aug 29 14:06
XRevan86	cubexyz: I guess it depends on something that depends on something that depends on it.	Aug 29 14:06
cubexyz	and dbus did NOT have to link to any libsystemd-stuff before	Aug 29 14:07
cubexyz	that's the recent development	Aug 29 14:07
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XRevan86	cubexyz: Well, Debian uses systemd by default, and having systemd-related features in dbus seems appropriate, no?	Aug 29 14:07
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cubexyz	not for Debian Wheezy	Aug 29 14:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software and Games	Aug 29 14:08
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XRevan86	cubexyz: libsystemd is in Wheezy.	Aug 29 14:08
cubexyz	so diabolical	Aug 29 14:08
XRevan86	cubexyz: It is possible to use systemd in Wheezy.	Aug 29 14:09
XRevan86	And therefore stuff is compiled to honour that :).	Aug 29 14:09
cubexyz	right, but I removed it	Aug 29 14:09
cubexyz	it's a bad design	Aug 29 14:09
XRevan86	cubexyz: UNIX shared libraries is a bad design? If you say so…	Aug 29 14:10
cubexyz	apt-get remove systemd but not apt-get remove libsystemd-login0	Aug 29 14:10
cubexyz	it's a bad design because it's not modular at all	Aug 29 14:10
cubexyz	it's a house of cards	Aug 29 14:10
cubexyz	systemd I mean, not shared libraries	Aug 29 14:10
cubexyz	if I really wanted to I can compile statically	Aug 29 14:11
cubexyz	some games do that	Aug 29 14:11
cubexyz	it's necessary sometimes	Aug 29 14:11
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cubexyz	the basic idea of shared libraries is OK, not the fact that libsystemd-blah is a dependency for a whole ton of stuff	Aug 29 14:12
cubexyz	it's obviously not really necessary, but it's been gummed in	Aug 29 14:13
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/637610674999422976 https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/637611441256833024	Aug 29 14:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz Tried to do the internet search. Nothing there. Perhaps Twitter support might know. I'll try later on..		Aug 29 14:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Do you know @Support why it is that @schestowitz and myself have GIFs auto added to our tweets when we copy and paste a URL ??		Aug 29 14:14
cubexyz	I know I can run kubrick without libsystemd-login0	Aug 29 14:14
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/6376144243465093124	Aug 29 14:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No status found with that ID.		Aug 29 14:17
cubexyz	quasijarus used .a file or archive files created by ar	Aug 29 14:21
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/quas-usr-lib.txt	Aug 29 14:21
cubexyz	so shared libraries came later on	Aug 29 14:21
cubexyz	another example.. a logging program shouldn't depend on X	Aug 29 14:36
cubexyz	it's logging text	Aug 29 14:36
cubexyz	http://slated.org/the_poetterisation_of_gnu_linux	Aug 29 14:42
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cubexyz	I won't use q4os as my main OS, or recommend it	Aug 29 14:48
cubexyz	they tried some interesting ideas, but efficiency was tossed out the window	Aug 29 14:49
cubexyz	the fact is it burns up CPU doing nothing and has other stuff I don't want	Aug 29 14:49
XRevan86	It's confirmed: Paul Carroty simply wanted a flamy news title :)	Aug 29 14:55
XRevan86	schestowitz: And you reposted it.	Aug 29 14:55
cubexyz	I'll try Void Linux next	Aug 29 14:56
XRevan86	cubexyz: Nice distro indeed.	Aug 29 14:56
cubexyz	I hope so :)	Aug 29 14:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines “Canonical doesn’t control the world and a	Aug 29 15:55
TweetTuxMachines	licence is only needed if there is some law”	Aug 29 15:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Concerning Containers' Connections: on Docker	Aug 29 15:55
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MinceR	134632 < cubexyz> they won't be happy until systemd is the entire OS	Aug 29 16:18
MinceR	...and you're not allowed to run anything else and everyone likes systemd	Aug 29 16:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The History of Containers	Aug 29 16:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Architecting Containers Part 1: Why	Aug 29 16:21
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MinceR	so much bullshit	Aug 29 16:29
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/RashmiSudiwala/status/637656678352220165	Aug 29 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RashmiSudiwala: @michaelhorak @dawnbazely There's an anti-Android lobby?!? If you can't beat it, try and legislate against it?		Aug 29 17:26
schestowitz	Yes, it has been covered a lot by Groklaw as well	Aug 29 17:26
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/637657863515672576	Aug 29 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @RashmiSudiwala @michaelhorak Seems so. @schestowitz is my source. That's his blog post.		Aug 29 17:26
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cubexyz	hurray, the copyright on the stephen rocket expired :)	Aug 29 17:32
cubexyz	Apple's attacks on Android did what.... oh they "ran out of steam" :)	Aug 29 17:33
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/totallynoob/status/637662842645299201	Aug 29 17:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@totallynoob: #Microsoft #Technology Crashes #Financial #Markets, Again #GNU #linux http://t.co/bJ4snjeOZZ		Aug 29 17:35
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/som50579/status/637663260762853376	Aug 29 17:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@som50579: totallynoob: #Microsoft #Technology Crashes #Financial #Markets, Again #GNU #linux http://t.co/nY1HtOM8HX		Aug 29 17:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/RashmiSudiwala/status/637663497145425920 https://twitter.com/RashmiSudiwala/status/637663833201446913	Aug 29 17:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RashmiSudiwala: @schestowitz @dawnbazely @michaelhorak I never did much like Apple's way of thinking or it's products, ...		Aug 29 17:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RashmiSudiwala: @schestowitz @dawnbazely @michaelhorak ... except the iPod but 'cos Sony dropped the ball. Now, even my iPod gathers dust, replaced by Sony.		Aug 29 17:36
cubexyz	I guess HP made an OK chromebook	Aug 29 17:37
cubexyz	the keyboard's not bad	Aug 29 17:37
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MinceR	Roy said it sucks	Aug 29 17:40
cubexyz	depends on which model	Aug 29 17:41
cubexyz	some of them do suck	Aug 29 17:41
MinceR	http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2015/06/29/hp-chromebook-14-keyboard-and-other-low-quality-hp-equipment/	Aug 29 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com \| schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » HP Chromebook 14 Keyboard and Other Low-Quality HP Equipment [ http://ur1.ca/myd8g ]		Aug 29 17:41
cubexyz	oh he thought the hp sucked	Aug 29 17:41
cubexyz	good thing he didn't try the samsung one, it's worse	Aug 29 17:41
MinceR	:)	Aug 29 17:42
msb__	I bought an HP inkjet printer years ago, and it developed some problems. I called them up to ask a question, but they wouldn't even talk to me because the warranty had expired. Unless I paid them $80. I would never buy anything from HP.	Aug 29 17:43
cubexyz	some Hp stuff did give me a lot of trouble	Aug 29 17:43
cubexyz	old HP was good however	Aug 29 17:43
cubexyz	just like everything else it seems	Aug 29 17:43
cubexyz	I mean my 1997 HP LaserJet still works	Aug 29 17:44
msb__	A good company will put all troubleshooting info for all of its products up on the Web.	Aug 29 17:44
msb__	Instead of gouging you if you need information to fix what it sold you.	Aug 29 17:45
cubexyz	HP is not what it used to be, it's true	Aug 29 17:46
cubexyz	I know a couple of oldsters who still use DECwriters	Aug 29 17:48
msb__	In the HP inkjet printer, the inkdroplet is shot out of the tiny holes in the cartridge by resistive heaters behind each hole. If the ink dries, the heater burns out. The circuitry senses this and won't work at all until you buy a new $25 cartridge.	Aug 29 17:51
msb__	4 cartridges -- red yellow blue and black. $100. A machine designed to generate profit for HP.	Aug 29 17:53
msb__	It cost about $250, and came with cartridges that were half-filled or less.	Aug 29 17:54
msb__	Buy from HP, that's what you'll get.	Aug 29 17:55
msb__	Of course the tiny heaters would burn out no matter how well you cleaned them.	Aug 29 17:56
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/637667003512197120 https://twitter.com/RashmiSudiwala/status/637667712437719040 https://twitter.com/RashmiSudiwala/status/637668694852808705	Aug 29 17:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @RashmiSudiwala, my relationship to 🍏 is 📈&📉. I've dusted off my portable typewriter & carbons... @schestowitz @michaelhorak		Aug 29 17:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RashmiSudiwala: @dawnbazely @schestowitz @michaelhorak Apple's marketing of its brand is genius, second only to speaker cables; it's products not so much so		Aug 29 17:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RashmiSudiwala: @schestowitz @dawnbazely @michaelhorak Incidently, the first thing I did when I got my iPod was to replace the crappy ear pieces with Sony's		Aug 29 17:56
cubexyz	msb__, I wouldn't buy a inkjet printer either	Aug 29 17:56
cubexyz	but I would buy a reconditioned Hp laserjet	Aug 29 17:57
cubexyz	those last a long time	Aug 29 17:57
msb__	If it's cheap and comes with a long warranty.	Aug 29 17:57
cubexyz	well it's cheap enough	Aug 29 17:57
cubexyz	usually you only get 90 day warranty on used stuff	Aug 29 17:58
msb__	The company drum comes with abrasive toner that ruins the drum so it can't be refilled. So empty out the company toner and refill it with non-abrasive.	Aug 29 17:59
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6513751	Aug 29 17:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This headline is a lie http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2015/08/munich-officials-who-dumped-windows-for-linux-want-microsofts-os-back/ it's not the same officials, there's no change of mind, just 2 dissenting voices		Aug 29 17:59
schestowitz	"OK, adware and subscriptions are just like spying - politicians think it's OK because they are elite and above such things themselves. Most valuable targets might get a FREE game of Solitaire."	Aug 29 17:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.gizmodo.co.uk \| Munich Officials Who Dumped Windows For Linux Want Microsoft's OS Back \| Gizmodo UK [ http://ur1.ca/nkg9j ]		Aug 29 18:00
msb__	There's no free solitaire game for windows?	Aug 29 18:00
cubexyz	there's a wiper blade in the toner cartridge which will eventually fail	Aug 29 18:00
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/secret-stuff-do-not-look.png	Aug 29 18:01
cubexyz	is that source code I see? :)	Aug 29 18:02
msb__	I like freecell.	Aug 29 18:03
msb__	The Linux version has undo.	Aug 29 18:03
schestowitz	[09:43] <__martin__> ..already installing uBlock for Mozilla out of their addons repo since their review process can be pain in the ass	Aug 29 18:07
schestowitz	Would have been a good April Foolks suggestiion	Aug 29 18:07
XRevan86	Nah, uBlock will never be reviewed apparently.	Aug 29 18:11
XRevan86	Because uBlock Origin is already reviewed and uBlock is even outdated in AMO.	Aug 29 18:11
XRevan86	I suspect it's not even in review query.	Aug 29 18:12
schestowitz	https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=15&v=hUfmONX7i60	Aug 29 18:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Lennart Poettering merged "su" command replacement into systemd - Test Drive on Fedora Rawhide - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nljs5 ]		Aug 29 18:12
schestowitz	"SU or MaCH*** fuck that/// Why??? For What????"	Aug 29 18:12
XFaCE	schestowitz: yep	Aug 29 18:12
msb__	Poettering has been promised an air-conditioned cell in Hell. But he won't get it.	Aug 29 18:13
XFaCE	Classic Poettering-style change	Aug 29 18:13
XRevan86	I don't even.	Aug 29 18:14
XFaCE	"	Aug 29 18:14
XFaCE	there have been long discussions about this, but the problem is that what "su" is supposed to do is very unclear.	Aug 29 18:14
XFaCE	Glass houses, Lennart, glass houses.	Aug 29 18:14
XFaCE	"	Aug 29 18:14
XFaCE	"True, and adding su makes systemd's problem with dropping syslog messages even more serious of a security problem."	Aug 29 18:15
msb__	Messages? We don't need no steenking messages!	Aug 29 18:16
XRevan86	I'm trying to contact Paul Carroty right now. This gets absurd.	Aug 29 18:16
XFaCE	XRevan86: I almost wonder if next he'll add that new Apple OS X "innovation" where root isn't actually root	Aug 29 18:17
XRevan86	XFaCE: Not systemd	Aug 29 18:19
XRevan86	XFaCE: These news.	Aug 29 18:19
XFaCE	?	Aug 29 18:19
XRevan86	XFaCE: I know guys who made this news about "su replacement" is such a way.	Aug 29 18:19
XFaCE	ok	Aug 29 18:19
XFaCE	XFaCE: what is the actual news?	Aug 29 18:19
XRevan86	XFaCE: It's trolling.	Aug 29 18:20
XFaCE	so this the onion?	Aug 29 18:20
cubexyz	if the message gets distorted then that's bad journalism	Aug 29 18:20
XRevan86	1. https://www.linux.org.ru/forum/talks/11899738	Aug 29 18:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.org.ru \| В systemd появилась замена su(1) - Talks - Форум [ http://ur1.ca/nlnl8 ]		Aug 29 18:20
schestowitz	[16:23] <cubexyz> http://i.imgur.com/ekCzz.png	Aug 29 18:20
schestowitz	[16:27] --> Cirrus_Minor (~Cirrus_Mi@CAcert/Cirrus-Minor) has joined this channel.	Aug 29 18:20
schestowitz	[16:29] <MinceR> so much bullshit	Aug 29 18:20
schestowitz	LOL	Aug 29 18:20
XRevan86	1. First Igor Grantenko placed this with a title "In systemd a replacement for su(1) arrived"	Aug 29 18:20
schestowitz	describing Vistas as open and fair	Aug 29 18:20
schestowitz	I have land on the moon to sell you	Aug 29 18:21
XRevan86	XFaCE: I asked Igor Gnatenko right now: he said he did such a title for trolling :).	Aug 29 18:21
XRevan86	well, that's Linux.org.ru	Aug 29 18:21
Cirrus_Minor	you called ?	Aug 29 18:21
XRevan86	2. Paul Carroty (from LOR as well) placed an English article on his website.	Aug 29 18:22
schestowitz	[17:37] <cubexyz> the keyboard's not bad	Aug 29 18:22
schestowitz	Ah, the worst part	Aug 29 18:22
schestowitz	and why my wife got rid of it	Aug 29 18:22
schestowitz	a cluster of keys stopped working	Aug 29 18:22
XRevan86	which is tlhp.cf	Aug 29 18:22
cubexyz	schestowitz, what you returned the chromebook?	Aug 29 18:22
schestowitz	for no good reason, and based on searched on the Web it's a common issue, esp. in that area	Aug 29 18:22
schestowitz	yes, returned it	Aug 29 18:22
schestowitz	that;s the only option they have	Aug 29 18:23
schestowitz	(PCWorld/Currys)	Aug 29 18:23
schestowitz	!google keyboard hp chromebook schestowitz	Aug 29 18:23
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cubexyz	a pity, you could have had one coreboot system	Aug 29 18:23
msb__	schestowitz: You got an accidental malfunction. The keyboard was supposed to fail _after_ the warranty ran out.	Aug 29 18:24
schestowitz	I had it booting into GNU/Linux	Aug 29 18:24
XRevan86	So no, this is NOT a su replacement. And never will.	Aug 29 18:24
schestowitz	but the tegra hardware was not so linux-friendly at all	Aug 29 18:24
cubexyz	schestowitz, it was defective, just bad luck	Aug 29 18:24
schestowitz	msb__: yeah	Aug 29 18:24
schestowitz	a good thing it didn't last long for the warranty to lapse	Aug 29 18:24
cubexyz	so far it's working OK for me	Aug 29 18:24
schestowitz	because fixing these would involve garage salespeople who overprice and fool you	Aug 29 18:25
cubexyz	if it borks up on me I'll let you know	Aug 29 18:25
schestowitz	cubexyz: I use an HP laptop at the moment	Aug 29 18:25
schestowitz	keyboatd all fine since 2009	Aug 29 18:25
cubexyz	ok good	Aug 29 18:25
cubexyz	I have one of those also :)	Aug 29 18:25
XFaCE	http://techrights.org/2015/08/29/crashing-the-financial-market/	Aug 29 18:25
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XRevan86	> if the message gets distorted then that's bad journalism	Aug 29 18:26
XFaCE	schestowitz: funnily enough, immediately after the story I went straight to their website to confirm my suspisions XD	Aug 29 18:26
cubexyz	had to replace the power supply though	Aug 29 18:26
schestowitz	XFaCE: did they fix the typo?	Aug 29 18:26
XFaCE	?	Aug 29 18:26
schestowitz	Would be funny is suddenly they did	Aug 29 18:26
XRevan86	cubexyz: Well, it's Linux.org.ru style journalism.	Aug 29 18:26
schestowitz	multi-million contracts and can't even get one press release/official announcement proofread	Aug 29 18:26
XFaCE	lol	Aug 29 18:26
XFaCE	just read that part	Aug 29 18:27
XFaCE	and nope, they haven't	Aug 29 18:27
cubexyz	I tried to find the "perfect laptop" and the "perfect computer"	Aug 29 18:27
XFaCE	schestowitz: It is absolutely CRITCAAL we make no simple mistakes!	Aug 29 18:28
cubexyz	desktop, I think I have close to perfect	Aug 29 18:28
schestowitz	[17:53] <msb__> 4 cartridges -- red yellow blue and black. $100. A machine designed to generate profit for HP.	Aug 29 18:28
schestowitz	HP is an ink distribution company :-)	Aug 29 18:28
cubexyz	laptop, no way, not even close	Aug 29 18:28
schestowitz	XFaCE: even worse	Aug 29 18:28
schestowitz	two typos in it	Aug 29 18:28
schestowitz	not one	Aug 29 18:28
schestowitz	maybe they use MS Word	Aug 29 18:28
schestowitz	one typo? OK.	Aug 29 18:28
schestowitz	But two? In the key announcement? Not good... sloppy like MS S/W	Aug 29 18:29
schestowitz	two in the same word?	Aug 29 18:29
schestowitz	Someone is drunk at the job.	Aug 29 18:29
msb__	schestowitz: And HP fixes it so the cartridge burns out when most of the ink is still unused.	Aug 29 18:29
XRevan86	http://cs618420.vk.me/v618420385/18adb/qI6lIwJbp7M.jpg	Aug 29 18:30
schestowitz	[18:26] <cubexyz> had to replace the power supply though	Aug 29 18:31
schestowitz	me too, two or three months ago	Aug 29 18:31
schestowitz	it just popped in 2015	Aug 29 18:31
schestowitz	but still, for a power supply to last 6 years isn't too bad	Aug 29 18:32
schestowitz	The replacement one was super-expensive	Aug 29 18:32
schestowitz	like $60 (US)	Aug 29 18:32
cubexyz	hmmm, you should be able to find a used one on ebay pretty cheap	Aug 29 18:32
schestowitz	re chromebook 14, I saw many people reporting the same issue, but my own sample set is of size 1	Aug 29 18:32
schestowitz	so many bad luck	Aug 29 18:32
schestowitz	and maybe I only saw the few reports among millions of people who bought these	Aug 29 18:33
schestowitz	if I bought two and found them to have the same chronic issue, then it's a statistical sample with actual significance (not 0 or 1)	Aug 29 18:33
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/computer-longevity.txt	Aug 29 18:33
schestowitz	cubexyz: couldn't wait	Aug 29 18:33
schestowitz	was working that afternoon	Aug 29 18:34
cubexyz	all working still	Aug 29 18:34
cubexyz	as long as I can fix it, I'm happy	Aug 29 18:34
schestowitz	So I rushed to Argos and found a multi-purpose one with exchangeable heads	Aug 29 18:34
schestowitz	Pavilion?	Aug 29 18:34
schestowitz	XRevan86: propaganda poster?	Aug 29 18:35
schestowitz	draw one with putin on the book and nukes in the window after the reading of the book :-)	Aug 29 18:35
msb__	Looks like something Mincer would post!	Aug 29 18:36
cubexyz	HP NX9030 2005 era I think	Aug 29 18:36
schestowitz	How I learned to stop worrying and love Putin	Aug 29 18:36
XRevan86	schestowitz: I didn't draw it :). It's also strange to consider propaganda since it's fan artwork.	Aug 29 18:36
cubexyz	yes, I'm quasi-modern now	Aug 29 18:36
schestowitz	this one works well for me, but underpowered for this shitty Plasma 5 thing (latest)	Aug 29 18:37
schestowitz	it's buggy with memory leaks	Aug 29 18:37
msb__	KDE4/Plasma is evil. Forget it.	Aug 29 18:37
cubexyz	I only use systemd free KDE3 or older :)	Aug 29 18:38
msb__	Yep. Or Trinity.	Aug 29 18:38
XRevan86	cubexyz: systemd-free == not possible to link with libsystemd? :)	Aug 29 18:39
cubexyz	I forget when KDE 3.5.10 came out	Aug 29 18:39
schestowitz	msb__: it's great compared to Plasma 5 KF5	Aug 29 18:39
cubexyz	it's been a while	Aug 29 18:39
schestowitz	trust me, it's missing widgets too, no improvement really	Aug 29 18:39
schestowitz	except me realising that inevitably, to be on KDE, I'd have to adopt this	Aug 29 18:40
schestowitz	at least it has better gtk UI integration	Aug 29 18:40
msb__	KDE3 and KDE4/Plasma are entirely different. They shouldn't use the same name.	Aug 29 18:40
XRevan86	oxygen-gtk3 is inevitably broken.	Aug 29 18:41
schestowitz	I haven't tried kde3 in several years (used it briefly at a client's office 2 years ago, maybe 3)	Aug 29 18:41
cubexyz	version 3.0 came out in 2002, it doesn't say when version 3.5.10 came out	Aug 29 18:41
XRevan86	so gtk UI integration is no longer a good side of KDE	Aug 29 18:41
cubexyz	around 2007?	Aug 29 18:41
schestowitz	some applications for kde still don't work too well with qt5	Aug 29 18:41
schestowitz	and some stuff in general applications like pidgin too, sound for instance	Aug 29 18:42
schestowitz	no sound notifications	Aug 29 18:42
XRevan86	schestowitz: How do sound notifications of Pidgin relate with KDE?	Aug 29 18:42
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XRevan86	They only need GStreamer to operate.	Aug 29 18:42
schestowitz	The only reason I won't go back now is that I found my way to survive in plasma5 and I can't stay with deprecated/old versions forever	Aug 29 18:42
XRevan86	GStreamer 0.10 in Pidgin 2.10.11, GStreamer 1.x or 0.10 in Pidgin 2.10.12+	Aug 29 18:43
schestowitz	like insisting of sticking to a mistake because going back is too much hassle	Aug 29 18:43
schestowitz	But I keep saying, plasma 5 is not ready, maybe will be next year, no sooner	Aug 29 18:43
cubexyz	I still run a KDE 1.0 program	Aug 29 18:43
schestowitz	XRevan86: good point, that's why I took am baffled by	Aug 29 18:43
cubexyz	there's no limit really	Aug 29 18:44
schestowitz	I lost Kate and Konversation settings in the upgrade	Aug 29 18:44
schestowitz	they're not compatible	Aug 29 18:44
msb__	Churn, churn, churn.	Aug 29 18:44
schestowitz	they get discarded, even if you forcefeed repeatedly to the applications	Aug 29 18:44
cubexyz	the only real limit is if you lose your only copy of the source	Aug 29 18:44
schestowitz	meaning you have to go through all the menus to set it up again the way you want it	Aug 29 18:44
schestowitz	cubexyz: assuming you can use insecure applications	Aug 29 18:45
schestowitz	and miss out on updates with features	Aug 29 18:45
schestowitz	kate was still buggy in some ways in kde3	Aug 29 18:45
schestowitz	I still remember that rather scary bugs in it under SUSE... could mistakenly lose text	Aug 29 18:45
schestowitz	so I had to be super-careful editing some things in kate	Aug 29 18:45
cubexyz	I normally use kedit so I don't know about bugs in kate	Aug 29 18:46
schestowitz	thankfully I forgot the nature of most bugs and how to avoid or get around them	Aug 29 18:46
schestowitz	kedit lacks some features	Aug 29 18:46
schestowitz	kate in plasma5/qt5/kf5 is decent	Aug 29 18:46
schestowitz	is kwrite still around in any shape or form?	Aug 29 18:47
cubexyz	sure	Aug 29 18:47
schestowitz	It was my editor around 2003 but I think it was dropped because of kate and kdevelop	Aug 29 18:47
cubexyz	it's on my vector linux box	Aug 29 18:47
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cubexyz	I'm a KDE historian :)	Aug 29 18:47
schestowitz	is vecot canadian?	Aug 29 18:47
cubexyz	it is	Aug 29 18:47
schestowitz	*vector	Aug 29 18:47
schestowitz	I think my first editor on linux was nedit	Aug 29 18:48
schestowitz	for several years. if I try it now, heck, it's WAY too primitive	Aug 29 18:48
schestowitz	not just ugly (graphical toolkit)	Aug 29 18:48
schestowitz	the only good thing in it is selection by rectangle	Aug 29 18:49
msb__	I use mc as editor and filemanager. quicker and easier than videogames on a gui filemangler. And my bash scripts give textmode drag-and-drop (or -copy, etc.) with only a couple of keystrokes.	Aug 29 18:49
schestowitz	never found this feature in any other editor	Aug 29 18:49
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msb__	mc editor has rectangular (row-column) selection and copy/move.	Aug 29 18:51
msb__	schestowitz: mc editor has rectangular (row-column) selection and copy/move.	Aug 29 18:51
cubexyz	vim can do that too	Aug 29 18:51
cubexyz	it's not unique :)	Aug 29 18:52
cubexyz	visual block mode	Aug 29 18:52
schestowitz	I sometimes install nedit just for this feature	Aug 29 18:53
schestowitz	it's not a bad editor for programming, but it's dated and I think it's no longer maintained (since ages ago)	Aug 29 18:53
schestowitz	vim has steeper learning curve	Aug 29 18:53
schestowitz	but vim, not vi, I could maybe learn	Aug 29 18:54
schestowitz	emacs is ugly	Aug 29 18:54
schestowitz	the toolkit	Aug 29 18:54
cubexyz	there's gvim if you want to use the mouse	Aug 29 18:54
schestowitz	I used emacs over the years, but never saw the point unless I had already gotten addicted to it back in the 80s	Aug 29 18:54
schestowitz	i'm fine with kate now	Aug 29 18:55
schestowitz	nearly 10 years of experience, about 10 hours per day	Aug 29 18:55
schestowitz	And I still haven't explored ALL the ins and outs (new stuff added and some removed or shuffled over time)	Aug 29 18:55
schestowitz	I think they added spellcheck as you type only around 2009	Aug 29 18:56
schestowitz	that was much needed	Aug 29 18:56
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/mycroft_ai/status/637679383344361472?	Aug 29 18:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mycroft_ai: @schestowitz Check out #AI & #iot #Kickstarter for @mycroft_ai http://t.co/RyCVHGn9MZ #crowdfunding		Aug 29 18:56
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schestowitz	iot buzzword	Aug 29 18:57
cubexyz	kword was the koffice word processor, or at least it was	Aug 29 18:57
msb__	"It's something that everybody needs" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M7gKZqgHn4	Aug 29 18:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/637328189493248000		Aug 29 18:58
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6522400	Aug 29 18:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@harryhaller@nerdpol.ch: No amount of scrubbing could shift UEFI BIOS nasty ![](https://regmedia.co.uk/2014/05/21/asus_z97-a_uefi_bios_1a.jpg) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/14/hacking_team_stealth_rootkit/ https://archive.is/f5XEA > ---- <strong> ![Avatar](https://nerdpol.ch/camo/51cc62e77d7508ca68d0a9ec18d347917e22a670/68747470733a2f2f6a6f696e64696173706f72612e73332e616d617a6f6e6177732e636f6d2f75706c6f6164732f696d616765732f7		Aug 29 18:58
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cubexyz	socketed BIOS, only way to go	Aug 29 19:00
cubexyz	these young un's and their surface mounted BIOSes :)	Aug 29 19:00
msb__	With a permanently burned eprom that you burn in an external burner.	Aug 29 19:01
msb__	No hackable eeproms.	Aug 29 19:02
cubexyz	didn't motherboards have BIOS write protection?	Aug 29 19:03
msb__	And a cpu without sub-sub-sub commands that take priority over everything else and can be hacked, like Intel.	Aug 29 19:04
cubexyz	I seem to remember a jumper setting	Aug 29 19:04
msb__	Maybe old ones did.	Aug 29 19:04
msb__	Too complicated for non-technical users to deal with now.	Aug 29 19:04
msb__	It really only needs one good 8-core cpu and one good mobo (with socketed BIOS) that all of us pros can use.	Aug 29 19:06
cubexyz	I have flash write protection on my QDI motherboard	Aug 29 19:07
cubexyz	also boot sector protection	Aug 29 19:07
msb__	Great!	Aug 29 19:08
cubexyz	I just turned it on :)	Aug 29 19:08
msb__	Of course if everyone else gets sucked into the Matrix, they'll all become zombies and they'll swarm us.	Aug 29 19:08
cubexyz	the odds of someone hacking my BIOS are pretty low, but why not use it if it's there	Aug 29 19:08
cubexyz	msb__, that's just the thing	Aug 29 19:10
cubexyz	one has to study a given motherboard for quite a while before you know it's good or not	Aug 29 19:10
msb__	And always keep your flamethrower fueled up and handy!	Aug 29 19:11
cubexyz	it's not apparent at all which ones have socketed BIOS chips	Aug 29 19:11
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cubexyz	most of the older ones did though	Aug 29 19:11
msb__	Chopping their heads off is good too. That works for most things. -- Buffy	Aug 29 19:12
cubexyz	at least with the chromebooks you know the embedded controller is properly programed for ChromeOS/Linux	Aug 29 19:13
cubexyz	that's not always the case with other laptops	Aug 29 19:13
cubexyz	HP should just mail out replacement keyboards to chromebook owners with bad keyboards	Aug 29 19:15
msb__	And pigs should grow wings!	Aug 29 19:16
msb__	If you don't realize that there is purposeful psychopathic EVIL in the world, well, then, you should realize it.	Aug 29 19:17
cubexyz	capricious maybe, lazy, bad impluse control, greedy	Aug 29 19:19
cubexyz	not necessarily evil	Aug 29 19:20
msb__	YES, MURDEROUS PSYCHOPATHIC EVIL!	Aug 29 19:20
msb__	Do you think HP accidently designed those ink cartridges and keyboards to fail ?	Aug 29 19:21
cubexyz	well yes, HP was greedy and controlling	Aug 29 19:21
cubexyz	that's why I don't buy inkjet printers from any company	Aug 29 19:21
msb__	"You think everything is a conspiracy." "Everything _is_!	Aug 29 19:21
cubexyz	that doesn't count as psychopathic evil :)	Aug 29 19:22
msb__	"No matter how paranoid you are, you're not paranoid enough."	Aug 29 19:22
cubexyz	I use HP laserjet (old ones) or dot matrix printers	Aug 29 19:22
msb__	How about murdering millions of people and destroying half a dozen entire nations?	Aug 29 19:23
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msb__	There is a world outside computers, and it reaches into the world of computers.	Aug 29 19:23
cubexyz	well there hasn't been any word war in a long time	Aug 29 19:27
cubexyz	that's an improvement	Aug 29 19:27
cubexyz	s/word/world/	Aug 29 19:27
cubexyz	no nuclear annihilation occurred	Aug 29 19:27
cubexyz	if I had lived through WWII then I would think now is a decent time	Aug 29 19:28
msb__	The US/UK/EU are attacking every vulnerable nation, one at a time. Now using Islamic psychopath jihadists as proxies.	Aug 29 19:29
msb__	And bombs and missiles when they can claim an excuse.	Aug 29 19:30
msb__	The US has murdered at least 20,000,000 people since the end of WWII.	Aug 29 19:31
msb__	http://cosmicpenguin.com/#American_Holocaust	Aug 29 19:32
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msb__	There is much more to life than old versions of Unix. But I guess you're pretty safe in Canada, as long as you keep your head down.	Aug 29 19:34
cubexyz	I'll read up on Blum	Aug 29 19:39
msb__	Just look at the list of nations on the linked page -- about 55 that the US attacked after WWII.	Aug 29 19:43
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msb__	cubexyz: Checketh thy mail.	Aug 29 19:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Price of Open-source Software – a Joint	Aug 29 19:59
TweetTuxMachines	Response http://t.co/kAWSqRBtHU	Aug 29 19:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 29 19:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Nvidia Linux Driver 352.41 Offers Better H.265	Aug 29 19:59
TweetTuxMachines	Playback, Patches http://t.co/5vV90nMVBx	Aug 29 19:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.x.org) Server Crash http://t.co/O858oeaM7h	Aug 29 19:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leaked BlackBerry ‘Venice’ photos show	Aug 29 19:59
TweetTuxMachines	Android-powered QWERTY slider in the flesh	Aug 29 19:59
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TDnhaTpqtl (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 29 19:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nlol2	Aug 29 19:59
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msb__	Wow, there is really a lot going on in the beginning of The Exorcist. In Iraq.	Aug 29 20:08
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MinceR	su - already does what poettering wanted	Aug 29 20:53
XRevan86	MinceR: It passes $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR	Aug 29 20:57
MinceR	oh noes	Aug 29 20:59
MinceR	and even if it didn't, the right solution is not to tack another lump of crap on top of systemd	Aug 29 21:00
MinceR	this just goes to show that lennart has no clue about modularity or cohesion	Aug 29 21:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Jide Remix Mini Android PC to ship in October	Aug 29 21:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/4SfWanNK1C (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 29 21:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nlp99	Aug 29 21:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Jide Remix Mini Android PC to ship in October \| Tux Machines		Aug 29 21:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Interviews with FLOSS developers: Elena Grandi	Aug 29 21:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/qNXizUY3F0 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 29 21:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nlp9c	Aug 29 21:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Interviews with FLOSS developers: Elena Grandi \| Tux Machines		Aug 29 21:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines systemd 225 Adds 'su' Replacement, Saving of	Aug 29 21:07
TweetTuxMachines	Private-Zone DHCP Options	Aug 29 21:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/pSMZXLDslz (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 29 21:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nlp9e	Aug 29 21:07
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cubexyz	https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/03/tso-and-linus-and-the-impotent-rage-against-systemd/	Aug 29 21:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-igurublog.wordpress.com \| Ts’o and Linus And The Impotent Rage Against systemd « IgnorantGuru's Blog [ http://ur1.ca/nlpd8 ]		Aug 29 21:19
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msb__	cubexyz: Did you get that thing I sent you?	Aug 29 21:47
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cubexyz	yes I did	Aug 29 22:00
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cubexyz	ha! "some day Linus will play the role of Theo de Raadt"	Aug 29 22:11
cubexyz	I'd like to see that	Aug 29 22:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Gnome: Release code names	Aug 29 22:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/M500TZRxAo (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 29 22:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DragonFlyBSD's Intel DRM Code Up To Linux 3.17	Aug 29 22:13
TweetTuxMachines	Match http://t.co/JtJCaNhZal	Aug 29 22:13
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 29 22:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nlpvp	Aug 29 22:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora Linux Moves Ahead With Effectively	Aug 29 22:14
TweetTuxMachines	Demoting 32-bit x86 Support	Aug 29 22:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/SUQ2IUHdq7 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 29 22:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nlpvr	Aug 29 22:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Fedora Linux Moves Ahead With Effectively Demoting 32-bit x86 Support \| Tux Machines		Aug 29 22:14
cubexyz	Gentoo itself was forked	Aug 29 22:14
cubexyz	and Daniel Robbins (the founder!) forked it and created Funtoo	Aug 29 22:14
cubexyz	openbsd has krsh, the korn restricted shell	Aug 29 22:21
cubexyz	could be useful	Aug 29 22:22
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DaemonFC	People still talking about the Dylan Storm shootings at that black church.	Aug 29 22:32
DaemonFC	Nine people shot to death while they were praying.	Aug 29 22:33
DaemonFC	What should we do? I don't know. Let's pray.	Aug 29 22:33
DaemonFC	MinceR: https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11218826_918747514866401_3690238546595148117_n.png?oh=0a0c015a1193fd755500b6370c209b21&oe=566A7EAB	Aug 29 22:34
MinceR	lettuce spray	Aug 29 22:36
DaemonFC	https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11914883_907798265963310_6589327136950389753_n.jpg?oh=d5cfc902de25f29981fd30cebadce886&oe=567E606C	Aug 29 22:36
MinceR	lol	Aug 29 22:36
DaemonFC	https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11960012_892019057543538_1327503481286583694_n.jpg?oh=2880255130305b289309238207385752&oe=567A6C3A	Aug 29 22:36
DaemonFC	Even better.	Aug 29 22:37
msb__	DaemonFC: You sneer at people who believe in god because it makes them feel better, but you don't know whether god exists or not. You sneer at poor people who shop at walmart. Why?	Aug 29 22:38
msb__	DaemonFC: You sneer at people who want a gun for protection, even though the US govt murders millions of people for greed and power.	Aug 29 22:39
MinceR	we know whether yahweh exists or not	Aug 29 22:41
MinceR	he doesn't	Aug 29 22:41
XRevan86	I start to believe people in common don't do religion stuff because they believe in something	Aug 29 22:41
XRevan86	but because social acceptance	Aug 29 22:41
MinceR	simply because the text used to define that god contradicts itself	Aug 29 22:41
msb__	yahweh is described as a particularly nasty being. If there is a god, I hope it is loving and kind.	Aug 29 22:43
msb__	A text, contradictory or not, doesn't prove anything.	Aug 29 22:43
MinceR	i don't see why exactly 1 god would even be probable at all	Aug 29 22:43
MinceR	msb__: something that's defined in a way that contradicts itself cannot exist.	Aug 29 22:44
msb__	Nonsense. If god exists it doesn't exist because of some text.	Aug 29 22:44
MinceR	i'm not talking about "god", i'm talking about a _specific_ god	Aug 29 22:45
MinceR	one can think of many different gods, and for most of them, we don't know if they exist and it doesn't really matter	Aug 29 22:45
msb__	You don't know. There's no way you can know. I'm saying that it's unkind to sneer at people who have a belief and don't do any harm because of it, or even do some good.	Aug 29 22:47
MinceR	i do know whether an impossible object exists or not: it doesn't, because it's impossible.	Aug 29 22:49
MinceR	simple logic.	Aug 29 22:49
msb__	If people believe that there is a benevolent force in the universe, it can reduce their fear and anxiety, and help them relax and do good things.	Aug 29 22:49
MinceR	for example, it's impossible for a god that both created the first non-human animals before AND after the first female human to exist	Aug 29 22:49
XRevan86	There is only one god that exists	Aug 29 22:49
XRevan86	Flying Spaghetti Monster	Aug 29 22:49
MinceR	how did you get from yahwey to a "benevolent force"?	Aug 29 22:50
MinceR	yahweh is many things, but very far from "benevolent"	Aug 29 22:50
MinceR	s/ey/eh/	Aug 29 22:50
msb__	Again, contradictions in the bibble have nothing to do with the existence of god(s).	Aug 29 22:50
MinceR	they have to do with the existence of a god defined by the bibble	Aug 29 22:51
XRevan86	Bible has nothing to do with the existence of god(s).	Aug 29 22:51
MinceR	it actually does something to do with them	Aug 29 22:51
XRevan86	People's beliefs have nothing to do with the existence of god(s).	Aug 29 22:51
MinceR	it's a piece of fiction that insists that exactly one god exists	Aug 29 22:51
MinceR	and describes that god in ways that make it impossible	Aug 29 22:51
MinceR	though it's even inconsistent about the "exactly one" part	Aug 29 22:52
XRevan86	MinceR: Non-existing (or overwise) gods care not about some stupid book :).	Aug 29 22:52
MinceR	since the people who rewrite it to monotheistic missed some parts	Aug 29 22:52
MinceR	XRevan86: they might	Aug 29 22:52
XRevan86	MinceR: Sorry, it's me being pedantic.	Aug 29 22:52
XRevan86	MinceR: At least, their existence cares not :).	Aug 29 22:52
MinceR	s/wri/wro/	Aug 29 22:52
MinceR	XRevan86: indeed	Aug 29 22:52
cubexyz	MinceR, really? where does it say that?	Aug 29 22:52
MinceR	cubexyz: i don't have the bookmark ready	Aug 29 22:53
MinceR	cubexyz: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/gods.html	Aug 29 22:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-skepticsannotatedbible.com \| How many gods are there? [ http://ur1.ca/nlqat ]		Aug 29 22:54
cubexyz	huh, interesting	Aug 29 22:56
cubexyz	no worshipping Chemosh, got it	Aug 29 22:58
MinceR	lol	Aug 29 22:58
XRevan86	There are as many gods as you like. Just don't forget to buy candles© only in authorised shops® of the Russian Orthodox Church™.	Aug 29 22:58
MinceR	or Takhisis	Aug 29 22:58
MinceR	XRevan86: lol	Aug 29 22:59
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schestowitz	DaemonFC: When every problem is viewed as "enemy" or nail all your hammer needs are being weaponised https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11960012_892019057543538_1327503481286583694_n.jpg?oh=2880255130305b289309238207385752&oe=567A6C3A https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11914883_907798265963310_6589327136950389753_n.jpg?oh=d5cfc902de25f29981fd30cebadce886&oe=567E606C	Aug 29 23:19
schestowitz	maybe they can make a rolling pin shapes like a baseball bat	Aug 29 23:19
schestowitz	and tennis balls shapes like hand grenades, too	Aug 29 23:19
schestowitz	AmericanSniper http://www.theindychannel.com/news/alert-about-a-possible-freeway-sniper-on-i-94-i-69-near-battle-creek	Aug 29 23:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theindychannel.com \| Alert about a possible freeway sniper on I-94, I-69 near Battle Creek - TheIndyChannel.com [ http://ur1.ca/nlexl ]		Aug 29 23:20
schestowitz	maybe inspired by the movie	Aug 29 23:20
schestowitz	Just watched "World War" the movie	Aug 29 23:20
schestowitz	what a shitty movie	Aug 29 23:20
schestowitz	zombie apocalypse with so many mistakes	Aug 29 23:20
MinceR	Z?	Aug 29 23:21
schestowitz	and it makes people glad to have armies with too many weapons	Aug 29 23:21
DaemonFC	World War Z?	Aug 29 23:21
DaemonFC	Yeah. I watched it because it was a freebie with my Prime membership.	Aug 29 23:21
DaemonFC	I want to see where Fear The Walking Dead goes.	Aug 29 23:22
MinceR	i wonder if this whole systemd/kdbus/"machinectl shell" thing is actually intended to make the community reject them, but i can't figure out why they would want that	Aug 29 23:50
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msb__	RT: 8/26 8/27 The Hacker Wars -- whistleblowers via Internet	Aug 23 05:44
oiaohm	This is a interesting device http://linuxgizmos.com/jolla-tablet-open-for-pre-sale-at-300/	Aug 23 05:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Jolla Tablet open for pre-sale at $300 · LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/nitxm ]		Aug 23 05:48
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6498550	Aug 23 05:58
schestowitz	"I hate marketing. IoT, Cloud, Smartphone, SaaS. All nonsense words. We should just say: networked shit, other people’s computers, hand computers that make phone calls and computing someone else does for you, respectfully."	Aug 23 05:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Cisco, Red Hat create platform for IoT innovation http://siliconangle.com/blog/2015/08/21/cisco-red-hat-create-platform-for-iot-innovation-openstack/ #redhat #cisco #linux		Aug 23 05:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> siliconangle.com \| Cisco, Red Hat create platform for IoT innovation \| #OpenStack \| SiliconANGLE [ http://ur1.ca/niu11 ]		Aug 23 05:58
oiaohm	Interestting http://guix-devel.gnu.narkive.com/zALlUNOz/elogind-wip	Aug 23 06:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-guix-devel.gnu.narkive.com \| elogind WIP [ http://ur1.ca/niuab ]		Aug 23 06:22
oiaohm	GNU is going forwards with the DMD idea.	Aug 23 06:22
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oiaohm	http://www.rt.com/politics/313032-senior-russian-lawmaker-seeks-ban/ Interesting	Aug 23 13:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com \| Senior Russian lawmaker seeks ban on Windows 10 in state agencies — RT Russian politics [ http://ur1.ca/niy71 ]		Aug 23 13:14
MinceR	as long as "going forward" means "capitulating"	Aug 23 13:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Huawei Honor 7i Specs, Release Date: Android	Aug 23 21:04
TweetTuxMachines	Smartphone With Rotating Camera, Side	Aug 23 21:04
TweetTuxMachines	Fingerprint Sensor Launched...	Aug 23 21:04
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/aIAs5cXXN4 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 23 21:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nj3t2	Aug 23 21:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Huawei Honor 7i Specs, Release Date: Android Smartphone With Rotating Camera, Side Fingerprint Sensor Launched In China \| Tux Machines		Aug 23 21:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Rumor: Android Pay To Arrive August 26th	Aug 23 21:30
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/bO4Wdh7DW4 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 23 21:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nj436	Aug 23 21:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Rumor: Android Pay To Arrive August 26th \| Tux Machines		Aug 23 21:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 16.04 Stupendously Hot Concept Is About	Aug 23 21:31
TweetTuxMachines	to Become Real http://t.co/MOGZVSh5u3	Aug 23 21:31
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 23 21:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nj437	Aug 23 21:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu 16.04 Stupendously Hot Concept Is About to Become Real \| Tux Machines		Aug 23 21:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Deprecated Wubi Tool "Mysteriously" Survives on	Aug 23 21:31
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu Images Until Today	Aug 23 21:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/UjPvTba797 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 23 21:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nj439	Aug 23 21:31
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6500183	Aug 23 21:55
schestowitz	"	Aug 23 21:55
schestowitz	ignore existance of gangs and oligarchy in russia and assume governments do drive-by shootings.	Aug 23 21:55
schestowitz	or as some one put it - pretend nobody exists in russia except putin/stalin	Aug 23 21:55
schestowitz	childish thoughts.	Aug 23 21:55
schestowitz	people say banks and corps run everyting, but believe elsewhere it’s just a single man.	Aug 23 21:55
schestowitz	remember shooting of irish journalist in car because investigating irish organised crime?	Aug 23 21:55
schestowitz	Don’t look - won’t find. nobody’s looking.	Aug 23 21:55
schestowitz	"	Aug 23 21:55
schestowitz	"remember an investigative journalist doing exposé on Mafia in USA? Me neither…"	Aug 23 21:55
schestowitz	"	Aug 23 21:55
schestowitz	I was on C-Span (phone) during Russian coup - asked senator Hart about russian mafia - he shrugged them off as unimportant…	Aug 23 21:55
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schestowitz	Mafia started under Brezhnev probably - now “respectable”, like USA (where did all that money go?)	Aug 23 21:55
schestowitz	"	Aug 23 21:55
schestowitz	Hastings was working on an article about ringleader Brennan when he died	Aug 23 21:56
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6500468	Aug 23 21:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #politico calls a triple agent "double agent" http://www.politico.eu/article/charge-for-suspected-german-double-agent-security-intelligence-service/ maybe didn't study this properly...		Aug 23 21:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.politico.eu \| Treason charge for suspected German double agent – POLITICO [ http://ur1.ca/nj4d2 ]		Aug 23 21:58
schestowitz	Maybe German intel' agencies knew for a while but only took action when they did for political reasons because of the Snowden-inspired articles at the time	Aug 23 21:58
schestowitz	"Maybe the agent did not know that spying for the US is OK but for Russia is treason."	Aug 23 21:59
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6500217	Aug 23 21:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Ray McGovern on BradCast http://bradblog.com/?p=11319		Aug 23 21:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> bradblog.com \| 'No Good Evidence' Russia Behind Shootdown of Malaysia Air Flight 17 in Ukraine, Says Longtime CIA Analyst Ray McGovern: 'BradCast' 8/20/2015 \| The BRAD BLOG		Aug 23 21:59
schestowitz	"good point about “russian backed ukrainian separatists” as well."	Aug 23 21:59
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schestowitz	"US backed Afghan separatists”... "US backed Syrian separatists”	Aug 23 21:59
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6500830x	Aug 23 22:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #nytimes helps narrative of "China" as very rogue http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/us-warns-china-about-its-secret-hunt-for-fugitives/ http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/17/us/politics/obama-administration-warns-beijing-about-agents-operating-in-us.html http://warontherocks.com/2015/08/a-guide-to-chinese-intelligence-operations/		Aug 23 22:02
schestowitz	"Some countries do not understand that to carry on renditions and torture abroad they have to be exceptional."	Aug 23 22:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.seattletimes.com \| U.S. warns China about its secret hunt for fugitives \| The Seattle Times [ http://ur1.ca/nj4ek ]		Aug 23 22:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> warontherocks.com \| A Guide to Chinese Intelligence Operations - War on the Rocks [ http://ur1.ca/nj4el ]		Aug 23 22:02
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6501556	Aug 23 22:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Military #uk air show ends up in more than a 'show' (well, unless you like explosions) http://www.cbs58.com/story/29857384/at-least-7-dead-after-old-military-jet-crashes-at-air-show-in-england good-for-nothing shows		Aug 23 22:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.cbs58.com \| CBS 58 - At least 7 dead after old military jet crashes at air show in En [ http://ur1.ca/nj4fz ]		Aug 23 22:06
schestowitz	"	Aug 23 22:06
schestowitz	Switzerland:	Aug 23 22:06
schestowitz	http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/23/two-planes-crash-at-swiss-airshow-basel	Aug 23 22:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| Two planes crash at Swiss airshow \| World news \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/nj4g0 ]		Aug 23 22:06
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schestowitz	Too many accidents this past week, mostly because of showoffs	Aug 23 22:13
schestowitz	http://www.praguepost.com/the-big-story/49381-seven-people-die-in-mid-air-plane-collision http://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/2-planes-crash-at-swiss-air-show-1-pilot-killed http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/595425/Spitfire-plane-crash-Biggin-Hill-Kent http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/shoreham-airshow-crash-seven-dead-after-jet-hits-cars/story-e6frg6so-1227494961021 http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/16/us/skydiver-death/	Aug 23 22:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.straitstimes.com \| 2 planes crash at Swiss air show; 1 pilot killed, Europe News & Top Stories - The Straits Times [ http://ur1.ca/nj4ib ]		Aug 23 22:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.express.co.uk \| Spitfire crashes in Kent making it third plane crash in two days \| UK \| News \| Daily Express [ http://ur1.ca/nj4id ]		Aug 23 22:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theaustralian.com.au \| Cookies must be enabled. \| The Australian [ http://ur1.ca/h4kpl ]		Aug 23 22:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edition.cnn.com \| Army skydiver dies after airshow accident - CNN.com [ http://ur1.ca/nj4ie ]		Aug 23 22:14
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/NewsCoverUp/status/635560139651739648	Aug 23 22:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NewsCoverUp: @schestowitz Two exceptional countries have drifted away from mankind They will soon be cut off from planet Earth		Aug 23 22:31
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/i/redirect?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fmarialuis91%2Fstatus%2F635426810918928384%3Fcn%3DcmVwbHk%253D%26refsrc%3Demail&t=1&cn=cmVwbHk%3D&sig=0f865c65e200d2d5e148c199c69d978dcc9bb364&iid=7f23f53296c74855a080efed65a72259&uid=26603208&nid=27+1267	Aug 23 22:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-twitter.com \| https://twitter.com/marialuis91/status/635426810918928384?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email [ http://ur1.ca/nj4rr ]		Aug 23 22:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 23/8/2015: BcacheFS Benchmarks,	Aug 23 22:48
TweetTuxMachines	Blackphone 2 http://t.co/sxWrRTzFWR	Aug 23 22:48
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Aug 23 22:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nj4up	Aug 23 22:48
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 23/8/2015: BcacheFS Benchmarks, Blackphone 2 http://t.co/sxWrRTzFWR'		Aug 23 22:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 23/8/2015: BcacheFS Benchmarks, Blackphone 2 \| Techrights		Aug 23 22:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/41JETrcD6Q	Aug 23 22:48
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 23 22:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nj4uq	Aug 23 22:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Aug 23 22:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/CDnphcuaBK	Aug 23 22:48
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 23 22:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nj4ut	Aug 23 22:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's leftovers \| Tux Machines		Aug 23 22:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The New Ubuntu-Supported Video Driver PPA Is	Aug 23 22:48
TweetTuxMachines	Well Received by Community	Aug 23 22:48
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/bhg0eF44o3 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 23 22:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nj4uw	Aug 23 22:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The New Ubuntu-Supported Video Driver PPA Is Well Received by Community \| Tux Machines		Aug 23 22:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch to Get a LibreOffice Doc Viewer	Aug 23 22:48
TweetTuxMachines	Soon http://t.co/3zcQ0nc04G	Aug 23 22:48
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 23 22:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nj4uy	Aug 23 22:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Touch to Get a LibreOffice Doc Viewer Soon \| Tux Machines		Aug 23 22:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Smart lock: Should you be using it?	Aug 23 22:53
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/7xQgEtJiiC (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 23 22:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nj4wz	Aug 23 22:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android Smart lock: Should you be using it? \| Tux Machines		Aug 23 22:54
*TweetTuxMachines @linuxusergroup favourited 'Links 23/8/2015: BcacheFS Benchmarks, Blackphone 2 http://t.co/sxWrRTzFWR'		Aug 23 22:54
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*TweetTuxMachines @linuxusergroup retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 23/8/2015: BcacheFS Benchmarks, Blackphone 2 http://t.co/sxWrRTzFWR'		Aug 23 23:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel Core i5 6600K Skylake Linux CPU	Aug 23 23:06
TweetTuxMachines	Benchmarks http://t.co/3I4TTaCT7Q	Aug 23 23:06
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Aug 23 23:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Intel Core i5 6600K Skylake Linux CPU Benchmarks Review - Phoronix		Aug 23 23:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nj51j	Aug 23 23:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Deprecated Wubi Tool "Mysteriously" Survives on	Aug 23 23:06
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu Images Until Today	Aug 23 23:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Sz4ffHDTKh (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 23 23:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nj51k	Aug 23 23:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Deprecated Wubi Tool "Mysteriously" Survives on Ubuntu Images Until Today - Softpedia		Aug 23 23:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 16.04 Stupendously Hot Concept Is About	Aug 23 23:06
TweetTuxMachines	to Become Real http://t.co/Ht4PX4DByh	Aug 23 23:06
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Aug 23 23:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu 16.04 Stupendously Hot Concept Is About to Become Real - Softpedia		Aug 23 23:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nj51l	Aug 23 23:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Rumor: Android Pay To Arrive August 26th	Aug 23 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/e3XPZsST30	Aug 23 23:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidheadlines.com \| Rumor: Android Pay To Arrive August 26th \| Androidheadlines.com		Aug 23 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	(www.androidheadlines.com)	Aug 23 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nj52i	Aug 23 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Huawei Honor 7i Specs, Release Date: Android	Aug 23 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	Smartphone With Rotating Camera, Side	Aug 23 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	Fingerprint Sensor Launched	Aug 23 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/IFLtb96Ag6 (www.christianpost.com)	Aug 23 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nj52j	Aug 23 23:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.christianpost.com \| Huawei Honor 7i Specs, Release Date: Android Smartphone With Rotating Camera, Side Fingerprint Sensor Launched In China		Aug 23 23:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The New Ubuntu-Supported Video Driver PPA Is	Aug 23 23:09
TweetTuxMachines	Well Received by Community	Aug 23 23:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/UJB2XMuOhE (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 23 23:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nj52l	Aug 23 23:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| The New Ubuntu-Supported Video Driver PPA Is Well Received by Community - Softpedia		Aug 23 23:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch to Get a LibreOffice Doc Viewer	Aug 23 23:10
TweetTuxMachines	Soon http://t.co/aKNNVTcNaH	Aug 23 23:10
TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	Aug 23 23:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Touch to Get a LibreOffice Doc Viewer Soon - Softpedia		Aug 23 23:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nj53c	Aug 23 23:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Smart lock: Should you be using it?	Aug 23 23:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/C9BqYuWqCZ (www.techrepublic.com)	Aug 23 23:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techrepublic.com \| Android Smart lock: Should you be using it? - TechRepublic		Aug 23 23:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Top Features Of The Linux 4.2 Kernel	Aug 24 03:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/2Nlyu3dwNN (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 24 03:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nj7ua	Aug 24 03:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Top Features Of The Linux 4.2 Kernel \| Tux Machines		Aug 24 03:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenSSH 7.1 Fixes Root Access Authentication	Aug 24 03:35
TweetTuxMachines	Issue, Adds Better Support for WinSCP	Aug 24 03:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/bLzRn3v6Xh (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 24 03:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nj7uc	Aug 24 03:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| OpenSSH 7.1 Fixes Root Access Authentication Issue, Adds Better Support for WinSCP \| Tux Machines		Aug 24 03:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation to Launch New Security-Focused	Aug 24 03:36
TweetTuxMachines	Badge Program for Open-Source Software	Aug 24 03:36
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/MzmhFzx9h9 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 24 03:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nj7ud	Aug 24 03:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Foundation to Launch New Security-Focused Badge Program for Open-Source Software \| Tux Machines		Aug 24 03:36
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DaemonFC	We found another home for one of our kittens. Three down, two to go.	Aug 24 04:28
DaemonFC	We found the mother cat when she was already pregnant.	Aug 24 04:28
DaemonFC	Someone abandoned her in the hallway of John's apartment building. Who would do such a thing?	Aug 24 04:28
DaemonFC	I've been busy herding cats for the last couple of months.	Aug 24 04:29
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Aug 24 04:53
DaemonFC	Just now ·	Aug 24 04:53
DaemonFC	"He said that he repeatedly asked Siri to call 911. Five tries later, he was on the phone with a 911 dispatcher."	Aug 24 04:53
DaemonFC	Does anyone want to guess what Siri did the first four times, instead of calling 911?	Aug 24 04:53
DaemonFC	smile emoticon	Aug 24 04:53
DaemonFC	20% accuracy. I guess Apple is getting better.	Aug 24 04:53
DaemonFC	http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/08/22/siri-credited-saving-teen-trapped-under-truck-tennessee	Aug 24 04:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-insider.foxnews.com \| Here's How Siri Saved a Teen Trapped Under His Truck \| Fox News Insider [ http://ur1.ca/nj8lr ]		Aug 24 04:54
DaemonFC	Every skype update tries to jack your homepage and search engine and install browser plug-ins.	Aug 24 06:08
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6501435	Aug 24 06:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Proposition of armed drones along US/Mexico border, courtesy of #gop http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/23/carson-wants-to-use-drones-on-the-border-to-take-out-caves-not-people-video/ wouldn't be long before people hit		Aug 24 06:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> dailycaller.com \| Carson Wants To Use Drone On the Border To Take Out Caves, Not People \| The Daily Caller [ http://ur1.ca/nj9m5 ]		Aug 24 06:37
msb__	It's time we realized that the term "exceptionalism" is a verbal coverup for United States imperialism, tyranny, military adventurism, funding and arming of psychopath Islamic jihadists, destruction of entire nations, and the mass-murder of millions of people for profit and power.	Aug 24 06:37
schestowitz	"I have heard that the golden dream of many Mexicans is Mexico going the way of Texas and California so maybe they might not mind."	Aug 24 06:38
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6502228	Aug 24 06:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Ubuntu 16.04 Stupendously Hot Concept Is About to Become Real http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-04-stupendously-hot-charmander-concept-is-about-to-become-real-489835.shtml #gnu #linux		Aug 24 06:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu 16.04 Stupendously Hot Concept Is About to Become Real - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/nj9mf ]		Aug 24 06:38
schestowitz	"The shirt of the avatar pls"	Aug 24 06:38
msb__	On a microscopically smaller scale, whatever "stupendously hot charmander concept" is -- apparently an app menu arrangement -- is very stupidly hyped advertising -- for something that's free. Perhaps this started when morons ruined the word "awesome" by applying it to some company's flavored potato chips and the like. The word "awe" has a meaning. Or at least it used to.	Aug 24 06:51
msb__	Most of our thinking is done using concepts -- words that represent ideas. And when these symbolic words are systematically misused and destroyed -- usually for someone's commercial profit -- then people's ability to _think_ is also destroyed.	Aug 24 06:55
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DaemonFC	msb__, Don't worry. It looks like there's one hell of a recession coming.	Aug 24 09:07
DaemonFC	More carnage to watch on the news.	Aug 24 09:07
msb__	That will harm and kill poor people.	Aug 24 09:09
DaemonFC	Yeah. The dollar will become too strong.	Aug 24 09:09
DaemonFC	It's been getting there for a while now.	Aug 24 09:09
msb__	Our economic system, run for the benefit only of ultra-wealthy psychopaths, is very dangerous to our entire species.	Aug 24 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines #fedora #gnu #linux in #india	Aug 24 09:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/O8Lk98auD4	Aug 24 09:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sayanchowdhury.dgplug.org \| Fedora 22 Release Party, Bangalore \| Intellectual Web		Aug 24 09:14
TweetTuxMachines	(sayanchowdhury.dgplug.org)	Aug 24 09:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njb1s	Aug 24 09:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leaving debian after 10 years	Aug 24 09:30
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/RuO0VxHmdH (damog.net)	Aug 24 09:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-damog.net \| Thanks Debian \| dm's blog		Aug 24 09:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njb8e	Aug 24 09:30
*TweetTuxMachines @exocuted favourited '#fedora #gnu #linux in #india http://t.co/O8Lk98auD4'		Aug 24 09:30
DaemonFC	http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/john-mcafee-mcafee-antivirus-one-worst-products-planet-1516462	Aug 24 09:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.co.uk \| John McAfee: McAfee antivirus is one of the worst products on the planet [ http://ur1.ca/njbau ]		Aug 24 09:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Debian/TeX Live complete update	Aug 24 10:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/QjyNngwPAa (www.preining.info)	Aug 24 10:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njbxo	Aug 24 10:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.preining.info \| Debian/TeX Live complete update \| There and back again		Aug 24 10:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New leaks provide more details surrounding	Aug 24 10:32
TweetTuxMachines	BlackBerry’s first Android device	Aug 24 10:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Jq4GLGYlu4 (bgr.com)	Aug 24 10:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njbxp	Aug 24 10:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com \| BlackBerry Android: More details surrounding Venice slider emerge \| BGR		Aug 24 10:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BlackBerry Venice Will Reportedly Use	Aug 24 10:49
TweetTuxMachines	BlackBerry 10 As Android Skin	Aug 24 10:49
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/iEBN2I6Ru1 (www.ibtimes.com)	Aug 24 10:49
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/xyZsG2PT4P (www.ibtimes.com)	Aug 24 10:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.com \| BlackBerry Venice Will Reportedly Use BlackBerry 10 As Android Skin		Aug 24 10:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njc4k	Aug 24 10:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.com \| BlackBerry Passport Successor Rumored To Run Android		Aug 24 10:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android 6.0 Marshmallow: The Best Features it	Aug 24 10:49
TweetTuxMachines	Offers http://t.co/HA3GqDpHBG	Aug 24 10:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cheatsheet.com \| Android 6.0 Marshmallow: The Best Features it Offers		Aug 24 10:49
TweetTuxMachines	(www.cheatsheet.com)	Aug 24 10:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njc4l	Aug 24 10:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why I gave up on the Linux Desktop repeatedly,	Aug 24 10:49
TweetTuxMachines	and why I migrated back to it	Aug 24 10:49
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/aSrGralzMu	Aug 24 10:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mikedep333.blogspot.co.uk \| Linux, Remote Desktop, OS Interop: Why I gave up on the Linux Desktop repeatedly, and why I migrated back to it		Aug 24 10:49
TweetTuxMachines	(mikedep333.blogspot.co.uk)	Aug 24 10:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njc4m	Aug 24 10:49
*TweetTuxMachines @subutux favourited 'Why I gave up on the Linux Desktop...'		Aug 24 11:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.2-rc8: .. one more last -rc after all	Aug 24 11:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/fuN1OiHqHK (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 24 11:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njca6	Aug 24 11:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux 4.2-rc8: .. one more last -rc after all \| Tux Machines		Aug 24 11:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Cinnamon 2.8 to Add Device Vendor and Model	Aug 24 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	Information, Better Box Pointers	Aug 24 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/mLWOs0Ecyv (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 24 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njcba	Aug 24 11:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Cinnamon 2.8 to Add Device Vendor and Model Information, Better Box Pointers \| Tux Machines		Aug 24 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Logic Supply Announces Fanless, Intel	Aug 24 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	Atom-Based Internet of Things Gateway	Aug 24 11:07
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cubexyz	haha	Aug 24 19:11
cubexyz	looks very useful msb__	Aug 24 19:12
cubexyz	I understand the need for UTF-8 though	Aug 24 19:12
cubexyz	although there's usually a way to translate stuff as your script does	Aug 24 19:13
cubexyz	symbolic languages such as APL really don't transliterate too well	Aug 24 19:14
cubexyz	not sure if openbsd has the replace command	Aug 24 19:27
msb__	Probably not -- it's one that I wrote. I'll upload it.	Aug 24 19:28
cubexyz	we need the msb repo	Aug 24 19:29
cubexyz	mysql has a replace command but that's obviously something different	Aug 24 19:29
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msb__	http://cosmicpenguin.com/linux/replace3.cccc	Aug 24 19:37
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msb__	Stupid firefox won't just display at .c file, it insists on "doing" something with it. So I had to rename it.	Aug 24 19:38
cubexyz	I usually suffix text files with .txt	Aug 24 19:40
cubexyz	seems firefox prefers that	Aug 24 19:40
msb__	Life is one big work-around!	Aug 24 19:41
cubexyz	just imagine how Thompson and Richie felt before they invented Unix and C language	Aug 24 19:42
XRevan86	Firefox first reads UNIX mimes.	Aug 24 19:43
XRevan86	so if you have a .c with plain texty mime, it will show.	Aug 24 19:44
msb__	I wouldn't be surprised if intelligent creatures on the other side of the galaxy invented things very similar to Unix and C. They're just the simplest and best ways of doing things.	Aug 24 19:44
msb__	Then a Poettering-alien came along and they tossed him into the nearest black hole.	Aug 24 19:46
msb__	He's down there writing Windows 11, but he can't get it over the gravity well.	Aug 24 19:47
msb__	XRevan86: I don't understand what you mean by "UNIX mimes". Where's the mime designation in a web page?	Aug 24 19:50
MinceR	it can also depend on the web server	Aug 24 19:50
MinceR	it may detect MIME type and decide Content-Disposition based on that	Aug 24 19:51
XRevan86	msb__: https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/tutorials/configuring_mimetypes_on_the_server	Aug 24 19:51
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MinceR	(though it seems unlikely to me)	Aug 24 19:51
XRevan86	http://serverfault.com/a/364430	Aug 24 19:51
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cubexyz	so text/html html htm shtml c?	Aug 24 19:52
msb__	Aagh! I vaguely remember that. Well, I have no control over the server on my web host anyhow.	Aug 24 19:52
cubexyz	or something like that	Aug 24 19:52
XRevan86	cubexyz: I like the solution from serverfault (add_header Content-Type)	Aug 24 19:52
XRevan86	(nginx)	Aug 24 19:53
cubexyz	ah, text/plain it would be	Aug 24 19:53
cubexyz	text/plain asc text c	Aug 24 19:54
msb__	XRevan86: Is that something you put in the web page? What if the server is apache?	Aug 24 19:54
cubexyz	msb__, just edit mime.types	Aug 24 19:54
XRevan86	msb__: It's web server configuration.	Aug 24 19:54
msb__	In the web server?	Aug 24 19:54
XRevan86	msb__: Correct.	Aug 24 19:54
msb__	I can't do that.	Aug 24 19:54
XRevan86	msb__: Then append .txt :).	Aug 24 19:55
cubexyz	ok try this:	Aug 24 19:55
msb__	Screw it, I'll append .cccc and explain it.	Aug 24 19:55
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/math1.c	Aug 24 19:55
XRevan86	msb__: Do you have cgi, though?	Aug 24 19:55
XRevan86	of any kind	Aug 24 19:55
msb__	I think I do.	Aug 24 19:55
cubexyz	XRevan86, seems to work OK now	Aug 24 19:55
cubexyz	I assume firefox will display the file?	Aug 24 19:56
XRevan86	msb__: You can twist content-type through cgi.	Aug 24 19:56
XRevan86	echo "Content-Type: plain/text" in bash :)	Aug 24 19:57
cubexyz	is there a way to tell firefox to handle .c files?	Aug 24 19:57
msb__	XRevan86: I am so glad to hear that. But being a crude sort of fuckhead I don't give a damn.	Aug 24 19:57
cubexyz	do what everyone else does, complain to the sysadmin	Aug 24 19:59
msb__	XRevan86: RT says that young Islamic morons are leaving Russia to join ISIL. Be careful out there!	Aug 24 20:00
XRevan86	msb__: I'm not islamic :)	Aug 24 20:01
msb__	Obviously, but they might be in your neighborhood.	Aug 24 20:01
MinceR	not for long if they're leaving :>	Aug 24 20:02
msb__	Good point. But the US is giving them weapons. Yikes, it might bring them here!	Aug 24 20:03
MinceR	i doubt the US is giving ISIL joiners or anyone located in russia weapons	Aug 24 20:04
MinceR	the former is their enemy and the latter... i don't see how russia would allow that	Aug 24 20:05
msb__	The US has to create its own enemies, because nobody is stupid enough to attack it.	Aug 24 20:05
cubexyz	thoughts about proprietary binary data formats:	Aug 24 20:06
cubexyz	http://www.podval.org/~sds/data.html	Aug 24 20:06
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msb__	The US gives weapons to ISIL in the middle east. Leaves big piles of them where ISIL can find them. Arms jihadist nutballs in Syria that join ISIL.	Aug 24 20:06
XRevan86	подвал?	Aug 24 20:06
XRevan86	A creative name for a website.	Aug 24 20:06
msb__	meaning?	Aug 24 20:06
XRevan86	msb__: basement	Aug 24 20:07
MinceR	looks like enough people are stupid enough to attack the US	Aug 24 20:07
msb__	Who?	Aug 24 20:08
MinceR	putin was stupid enough to threaten NATO members and other US allies, for example	Aug 24 20:08
MinceR	north korea also seems to be constantly trying to pick a fight	Aug 24 20:09
msb__	Oi Gevalt! A threat isn't an attack, and Putin was responding to US/NATO threats, sanctions, etc.	Aug 24 20:10
MinceR	i wonder if the "Long Peace" is over already	Aug 24 20:10
cubexyz	people are a bit smarter now	Aug 24 20:10
MinceR	i wonder about that too	Aug 24 20:10
cubexyz	instanteous commmunications helps a lot	Aug 24 20:10
MinceR	people are voluntarily throwing away their human rights	Aug 24 20:11
msb__	The two Koreas are annoying each other at the moment. Not the US.	Aug 24 20:11
MinceR	hungarians voted a dictator into power voluntarily	Aug 24 20:11
MinceR	msb__: north korea is pretty open about the usa being their arch enemy	Aug 24 20:11
msb__	They are not attacking.	Aug 24 20:11
MinceR	then again, maybe that's because they don't want to admit they'd exterminate south koreans given a chance	Aug 24 20:11
msb__	Send them a few tons of Spam(tm) and they'd love us.	Aug 24 20:12
XRevan86	MinceR: That's mutual, no?	Aug 24 20:12
MinceR	dunno	Aug 24 20:12
cubexyz	MinceR, at least no attacks by nuclear weapons have occurred	Aug 24 20:12
MinceR	the southerners seem to have civilized quite a bit	Aug 24 20:12
MinceR	cubexyz: yet.	Aug 24 20:12
MinceR	at least north koreans are less likely to do that, as they don't seem to believe in an afterlife	Aug 24 20:13
msb__	The southerners started the current dustup by blasting propaganda across the border with loudspeakers.	Aug 24 20:13
MinceR	thank you for relaying the state socialist party lines as usual	Aug 24 20:13
msb__	Oops, I've got the bot.	Aug 24 20:14
XRevan86	https://s3-eu5.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https:%2F%2Fphotos.travelblog.org%2FPhotos%2F11053%2F445172%2Ff%2F4367598-A-priest-with-no-parishoners--Russian-Orthodox-Church-Pyongyang-North-Korea-2.jpg&sp=968b524566768cfad484d5a55e3c9e9b	Aug 24 20:14
XRevan86	MinceR: They don't? :)	Aug 24 20:15
msb__	MinceR: Read the damn news!	Aug 24 20:15
MinceR	msb__: please translate. "news" or "putler's propaganda"?	Aug 24 20:15
XRevan86	MinceR: I guess that's okay and peaceful that the neighburing state sends balloons with anti-regime propaganda.	Aug 24 20:16
XRevan86	Even though North Koreans probably don't have means to read that propaganda :).	Aug 24 20:17
msb__	MinceR: Looks like putler has taken over CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/21/asia/korea-north-south-tensions-explainer/index.html?ref=apptest	Aug 24 20:19
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MinceR	msb__: rejoice, then	Aug 24 20:20
XRevan86	msb__: Is Fox safe?	Aug 24 20:20
MinceR	the plan for eliminating all human rights (which you support so much) is proceeding!	Aug 24 20:20
XRevan86	MinceR: Which one: Korean, American, Russian or Chinese?	Aug 24 20:21
MinceR	russian/chinese/north korean/etc.	Aug 24 20:21
XRevan86	MinceR: You ignore americans? That prejudice.	Aug 24 20:22
MinceR	their plan is separate and is much slower	Aug 24 20:22
MinceR	among other things, it's hindered by things like a lingering belief in the necessity of freedom of speech	Aug 24 20:23
msb__	XRevan86: No matter how often I tell MinceR what I do and don't support, a week later he forgets it and I have to tell him again.	Aug 24 20:23
MinceR	you keep saying you don't support stalinism, and then go ahead and support stalinism	Aug 24 20:23
msb__	MinceR: Quote me where I support Stalinism.	Aug 24 20:24
MinceR	211337 < msb__> The southerners started the current dustup by blasting propaganda across the border with loudspeakers.	Aug 24 20:24
MinceR	211002 < msb__> Oi Gevalt! A threat isn't an attack, and Putin was responding to US/NATO threats, sanctions, etc.	Aug 24 20:24
abeNd-org	the northerners started the dustup with the mines, the loudspeakers were in response to that	Aug 24 20:25
MinceR	and there are many more, but i'm not going to look through the logs	Aug 24 20:25
msb__	And Stalin is mentioned where exactly?	Aug 24 20:25
msb__	I didn't know about the mines.	Aug 24 20:25
MinceR	of course you didn't	Aug 24 20:25
MinceR	RT didn't tell you about it	Aug 24 20:25
MinceR	s/it/them/	Aug 24 20:25
msb__	RT didn't mention any of it.	Aug 24 20:26
MinceR	that's what i said	Aug 24 20:26
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msb__	You are unbelieveably nasty, MinceR	Aug 24 20:26
MinceR	uh huh	Aug 24 20:26
DaemonFC	Holy crap. The stock market is continuing to collapse.	Aug 24 20:26
abeNd-org	msb__: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/11/world/asia/north-korea-placed-mines-that-maimed-2-south-korean-soldiers-at-dmz-seoul-says.html?_r=0	Aug 24 20:26
MinceR	msb__: it's kind of hard to take your alleged support for anarcho-communism seriously when you openly praise stalinist and post-stalinist regimes.	Aug 24 20:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-myaccount.nytimes.com \| Log In - The New York Times		Aug 24 20:27
DaemonFC	So much for that claim that workers with stock portfolios are doing well.	Aug 24 20:27
msb__	MinceR: I did not praise NK.	Aug 24 20:27
abeNd-org	DaemonFC: that is ok, it is only money, the middle class will be completely destroyed & have to submit themselves to even more govt assistance. The rich will still be rich enough that they will survive	Aug 24 20:27
abeNd-org	msb__: besides http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/24/us-northkorea-southkorea-idUSKCN0QR02D20150824	Aug 24 20:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reuters.com \| North, South Korea reach agreement to ease tensions \| Reuters [ http://ur1.ca/njicp ]		Aug 24 20:30
msb__	MinceR: There are NO instances where I supported stalinism. What you do is start with a true statement I made and then falsely and ridiculously extrapolate from it.	Aug 24 20:31
msb__	MinceR: If I say that Putin did something good by fostering Eurasian economic cooperation in recent meetings, you claim that I'm "supporting stalinism".	Aug 24 20:34
msb__	MinceR: What you're doing has a name: LYING.	Aug 24 20:34
MinceR	that's more of a post-stalinist regime	Aug 24 20:34
MinceR	a similar kind of post-communist nazism as in hungary	Aug 24 20:35
DaemonFC	Apple is down another 6 points.	Aug 24 20:35
MinceR	msb__: yes, supporting human rights is called "LYING"	Aug 24 20:35
DaemonFC	They fell to 95.24 right after the bell rang this morning.	Aug 24 20:35
DaemonFC	They're hobering around 102 now.	Aug 24 20:35
msb__	MinceR: You are not supporting human rights. You are constantly obsessing about Putin.	Aug 24 20:36
DaemonFC	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-24/did-tim-cook-violate-regulation-fair-disclosure-emailing-jim-cramer-save-aapl-stock-	Aug 24 20:36
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MinceR	msb__: guess what putin does to human rights	Aug 24 20:36
abeNd-org	just glad my wife & I visited .kr a few yrs back, before tubby the nutjob nukes the peninsula	Aug 24 20:36
MinceR	msb__: a few hints: https://meduza.io/en/news/2015/08/20/russia-threatens-to-ban-wikipedia http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/putin-clamps-down-a-chilling-report-from-moscow-20140430	Aug 24 20:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io \| NO TITLE		Aug 24 20:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rollingstone.com \| Putin Clamps Down: A Chilling Report From Moscow \| Rolling Stone [ http://ur1.ca/njifg ]		Aug 24 20:37
msb__	Yeah, that's gonna work.	Aug 24 20:37
msb__	MinceR: Best you can come up with is an article about Pussy Riot from a year and a half ago.	Aug 24 20:44
MinceR	oh right, human rights violations expire in 1 year	Aug 24 20:44
MinceR	oh wait, they don't	Aug 24 20:44
msb__	Looks like almost every story in meduza.io is critical of Russia: https://meduza.io/en/articles	Aug 24 20:52
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MinceR	how dare they!	Aug 24 20:52
msb__	https://meduza.io/en/feature/2015/08/14/the-kremlin-s-manichaean-delusion	Aug 24 20:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-meduza.io \| NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/njilj ]		Aug 24 20:52
msb__	I'	Aug 24 20:52
msb__	It's a biased propaganda site.	Aug 24 20:52
MinceR	every "socialist" knows that everything is going perfectly fine in russia, right?	Aug 24 20:53
msb__	I have never said any such thing.	Aug 24 20:53
XRevan86	I like Meduza. It's actually not very propagandist.	Aug 24 20:53
XRevan86	Of course, I read a Russian version.	Aug 24 20:53
MinceR	in before msb__ excommunicates XRevan86	Aug 24 20:54
msb__	I would never expel XRevan86 from my religion -- the Cosmic Church of the Orgone Goddess	Aug 24 20:59
XRevan86	ugh	Aug 24 20:59
msb__	The Goddess smiles upon you nevertheless!	Aug 24 20:59
msb__	XRevan86: check out this article. It's very nasty: https://meduza.io/en/feature/2015/08/14/the-kremlin-s-manichaean-delusion	Aug 24 21:06
XRevan86	Apparently Russian and Intl Meduza's are very different indeed.	Aug 24 21:07
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msb__	Regarding http://www.globalresearch.ca/, it says: " it's a fairly standard conspiracy rumor-mill that runs the whole gamut from 9/11 truthery and to anti-vaccination hysterics".	Aug 24 21:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca \| Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization		Aug 24 21:10
MinceR	sounds pretty accurate	Aug 24 21:10
XRevan86	Did you hear about Roscomnadzor blocking Wikipedia?	Aug 24 21:11
MinceR	so they've gone beyond threatening?	Aug 24 21:12
msb__	MinceR: Yes, to you, who won't access articles/videos about the facts of 9/11 or the harm done by vaccines, it fits right in with your programmed worldview.	Aug 24 21:12
XRevan86	MinceR: Indeed.	Aug 24 21:12
MinceR	as expected	Aug 24 21:12
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Russia	Aug 24 21:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Internet censorship in Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/gqq64 ]		Aug 24 21:13
msb__	XRevan86: Is it blocked to http or just https?	Aug 24 21:13
XRevan86	msb__: I don't know, my Internet provider cares not.	Aug 24 21:13
msb__	What do you mean? Can you access it or not?	Aug 24 21:14
XRevan86	msb__: My provider doesn't honour Roscomhadzor's blocklist %).	Aug 24 21:14
XRevan86	nadzor*	Aug 24 21:15
msb__	So you can access it.	Aug 24 21:15
XRevan86	msb__: Correct.	Aug 24 21:15
msb__	And even if it did, you could probably access it via a proxy site.	Aug 24 21:17
MinceR	so msb__ supports internet censorship as long as it can be circumvented	Aug 24 21:17
MinceR	is this a "socialist" thing too?	Aug 24 21:17
msb__	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME. I don't support internet censorship at all.	Aug 24 21:18
MinceR	stop lying about yourself.	Aug 24 21:18
msb__	lame	Aug 24 21:18
XRevan86	MinceR: Obviously msb__ is interested in how tied censorship in Russia is.	Aug 24 21:18
MinceR	obviously msb__ is desperately trying to whitewash his favorite fascists.	Aug 24 21:19
MinceR	be it putin or kim jong-un	Aug 24 21:19
msb__	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME. I do not favor any fascists.	Aug 24 21:19
MinceR	you have curious ways of showing your disfavor.	Aug 24 21:20
MinceR	http://www.rferl.org/section/crackdown-on-ngos-in-russia/3272.html	Aug 24 21:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rferl.org \| The Crackdown On NGOs In Russia [ http://ur1.ca/njixo ]		Aug 24 21:22
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_foreign_agent_law	Aug 24 21:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Russian foreign agent law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/njixs ]		Aug 24 21:22
DaemonFC	https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/https-everywhere/	Aug 24 21:23
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DaemonFC	Looks like https everywhere is signed now, so it should work in Firefox 41.	Aug 24 21:23
msb__	MinceR: Radio Free Europe!!! Why don't you directly reference the CIA?	Aug 24 21:24
MinceR	because the CIA did not come up on my search	Aug 24 21:24
MinceR	https://freedomhouse.org/report/special-reports/undermining-democracy-21st-century-authoritarians	Aug 24 21:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freedomhouse.org \| Undermining Democracy: 21st Century Authoritarians \| Freedom House [ http://ur1.ca/njj0d ]		Aug 24 21:28
msb__	MinceR: https://freedomhouse.org/about-us -- "We advocate for U.S. leadership and collaboration with like-minded governments to vigorously oppose dictators and oppression. "	Aug 24 21:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freedomhouse.org \| About us \| Freedom House		Aug 24 21:32
MinceR	oh, right	Aug 24 21:33
MinceR	since the usa (says) opposes dictators and oppression, dictators and oppression are Good Things	Aug 24 21:33
MinceR	right?	Aug 24 21:33
msb__	What about the US invasion and destruction of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria, and the murders of millions of people? "Freedom House" doesn't mention that. But it complains about Venezuela.	Aug 24 21:34
DaemonFC	Yeah, yeah, and people hate Americans, even as most of us are unable to do anything about what our government is up to.	Aug 24 21:35
MinceR	what about the russian invasion of afghanistan, georgia and ukraine?	Aug 24 21:35
MinceR	what about the holodomor?	Aug 24 21:35
DaemonFC	It's gotten totally out of control. Unanswerable to very nearly all of the citizens.	Aug 24 21:35
MinceR	what about the russian invasion and occupation of the eastern bloc?	Aug 24 21:35
DaemonFC	You theoretically have a choice between two parties who will do 90% of the same stuff no matter which way the election goes.	Aug 24 21:35
MinceR	what about the venezuelan government fucking up the venezuelan economy so hard you can't even buy toilet paper or gasoline?	Aug 24 21:36
XRevan86	> holodomor	Aug 24 21:36
XRevan86	come on!	Aug 24 21:36
msb__	Russia no longer is in the eastern block.	Aug 24 21:36
DaemonFC	MinceR, Just like the USSR.	Aug 24 21:36
MinceR	it's coming back	Aug 24 21:36
DaemonFC	You could buy, whatever the store happened to have that day.	Aug 24 21:36
MinceR	russia has annexed a part of ukraine and has threatened to take over the baltic states and poland	Aug 24 21:36
DaemonFC	So you bought 100 of them and waited to barter with your neighbors for what you really needed.	Aug 24 21:36
MinceR	and russia has fans in the hungarian nazis, including in the hungarian nazi government	Aug 24 21:37
MinceR	the venezuelan government set mandatory prices for wares that are set by their laughably inaccurate valuation of their currency	Aug 24 21:37
MinceR	so it would be a huge loss for anyone to produce and sell products at those prices	Aug 24 21:38
MinceR	unsurprisingly, nobody does	Aug 24 21:38
DaemonFC	MinceR, That's a surefire way of getting a black market.	Aug 24 21:38
MinceR	indeed	Aug 24 21:38
DaemonFC	The government officially values the currency too high, you get black market goods and currency trading at what it's really worth.	Aug 24 21:38
MinceR	and many other things	Aug 24 21:38
MinceR	but there still are many people who think their wishes of how economy ought to function can override how reality actually works	Aug 24 21:39
MinceR	even though these beliefs have already destroyed countries.	Aug 24 21:39
DaemonFC	The US government is a currency manipulator, to be sure, but it gets away with it because the other world currencies are manipulated even more.	Aug 24 21:39
msb__	Also because nations that don't want to trade in US dollars can be invaded and destroyed, like Libya.	Aug 24 21:40
MinceR	http://www.icnl.org/research/monitor/russia.html	Aug 24 21:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.icnl.org \| Russia - NGO Law Monitor - Research Center - ICNL [ http://ur1.ca/njj5n ]		Aug 24 21:40
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MinceR	libya was destroyed by its own dictator, gaddafi	Aug 24 21:40
DaemonFC	What's going on now is that other countries who built their whole economy around selling things to Americans have to devalue their currency to keep their exports flowing.	Aug 24 21:40
MinceR	but of course msb__ loves gaddafi because he called his dictatorship "socialist" or something like that	Aug 24 21:41
msb__	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJURNC0e6Ek	Aug 24 21:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Libya Truth (DnB Soundtrack) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/jld5s ]		Aug 24 21:41
DaemonFC	MinceR, Of course, the dollars they are getting aren't worthless. They can buy real property here in the United States.	Aug 24 21:41
DaemonFC	You can't really do that with the Chinese Yuan or the Russian Ruble. There's just too many restrictions on foreign direct investment, so they're not reserve currencies.	Aug 24 21:42
DaemonFC	When you buy up a bunch of dollars, it's because you expect that you can buy something with them, like real estate or stocks or whole companies.	Aug 24 21:42
DaemonFC	Or oil, which we've managed to keep priced in them.	Aug 24 21:43
DaemonFC	That's a big reason why the US doesn't want clean renewable energy. Less demand for oil and the dollar becomes less important.	Aug 24 21:44
DaemonFC	The auto manufacturers have managed to stall out fuel efficiency standards for so many years that the 2015 fleet only gets about 1 mile per gallon more than the vehicles built in 1996.	Aug 24 21:45
DaemonFC	They're supposed to average 54.5 mpg by 2025, but the fines are cheaper, so it just acts like another federal tax on each vehicle.	Aug 24 21:45
DaemonFC	The mpg won't improve very much.	Aug 24 21:45
DaemonFC	New cars will get more expensive.	Aug 24 21:46
DaemonFC	https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2015/02/10/extension-signing-safer-experience/	Aug 24 21:47
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DaemonFC	$38.99 a barrel for oil.	Aug 24 21:50
DaemonFC	The winter blend gas should be here around the middle of next month.	Aug 24 21:51
DaemonFC	It might be well below $2 a gallon.	Aug 24 21:51
DaemonFC	As for the "workers will need more welfare" comment, yeah.	Aug 24 21:54
DaemonFC	Stock market gains and losses really don't have as much of an effect on workers as they used to.	Aug 24 21:55
DaemonFC	Because more workers are too poor to even consider investing in anything.	Aug 24 21:55
MinceR	https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/07/russia-begins-blacklisting-undesirable-organizations/	Aug 24 22:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amnesty.org \| Russia begins blacklisting ‘undesirable’ organizations \| Amnesty International [ http://ur1.ca/njjc1 ]		Aug 24 22:00
DaemonFC	https://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_et_up_redir?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdPage=1&cdThread=Tx3HL3E8RET9X8X&newContentID=MxHB2CCHTETD05&newContentNum=59#Mx4H7GG4PIQXGD	Aug 24 22:21
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DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 24 22:21
DaemonFC	Jack O'Neill: "I was just in the middle of a lovely brunch!"	Aug 24 22:21
DaemonFC	Ba'al: "Impudence!"	Aug 24 22:21
DaemonFC	O'Neill: "No...tuna."	Aug 24 22:21
MinceR	lol	Aug 24 22:22
MinceR	"in the middle of my backswing?!"	Aug 24 22:22
MinceR	Ba'al: You dare mock me?	Aug 24 22:26
MinceR	Brigadier General Jack O'Neill: Ba'al, come on, you should know. Of course I dare mock you.	Aug 24 22:26
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*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012		Aug 25 01:24
schestowitz	Yesterday morning Dow was down 2,000 points in less than 3 days of trading. http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/dow/ crisis in progress?	Aug 25 02:09
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schestowitz	asian markets to open shortly, panic may resume	Aug 25 02:11
schestowitz	20 mins from now	Aug 25 02:11
MinceR	what are they panicking about?	Aug 25 02:11
schestowitz	good question	Aug 25 02:12
schestowitz	not sure I can answer that	Aug 25 02:13
schestowitz	I think it's a sheep effect	Aug 25 02:13
schestowitz	if you think it'll continue to collapse, you take the money and run	Aug 25 02:13
schestowitz	lack of confidence among investors	Aug 25 02:13
schestowitz	anyway, it's an international thing	Aug 25 02:14
schestowitz	no escaping from it, but some markets do worse than others	Aug 25 02:14
schestowitz	watch what happened to some countries like spain, ireland, and greece	Aug 25 02:14
schestowitz	my fear is austerity and the likes of that in the UK	Aug 25 02:14
schestowitz	"while everyone was freting over greece last month, the chinese stock markets in a month lost nearly as much as greece's entire gdp" -colleague	Aug 25 02:15
XFaCE	schestowitz: the power of marketing	Aug 25 02:15
MinceR	ic	Aug 25 02:15
schestowitz	so I think it's worth watching closely in the coming week, it's not just a fluke	Aug 25 02:15
schestowitz	!google orban warns greece	Aug 25 02:16
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - EU states at odds on eve of summit on migration crisis \| Reuters \| http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/24/us-europe-migrants-hungary-austria-idUSKBN0P411O20150624	Aug 25 02:16
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Hungary's Viktor Orban leads slide in democratic mores \| http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/hungary-s-viktor-orban-leads-slide-in-democratic-mores-1.2244802	Aug 25 02:16
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Hungary's Experience Suggests Greece Will Follow E.U. on Russia ... \| http://time.com/3687387/hungarys-greece-e-u-russia/	Aug 25 02:16
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras's icy ruthlessness take Europe ... \| http://www.afr.com/news/world/europe/greek-prime-minister-alexis-tsiprass-icy-ruthlessness-take-europe-to-the-brink-20150405-1meyf9	Aug 25 02:16
schestowitz	I think he used Greece to scare 'his' people	Aug 25 02:16
schestowitz	or maybe that was Bulgaria	Aug 25 02:16
schestowitz	around 5 years ago	Aug 25 02:16
XFaCE	MinceR: monitor the bitcoin prices	Aug 25 02:16
MinceR	where?	Aug 25 02:17
XFaCE	coindesk is a good one	Aug 25 02:17
XFaCE	google has a search now	Aug 25 02:17
MinceR	and what am i looking for?	Aug 25 02:17
XFaCE	MinceR: prices will shoot up	Aug 25 02:17
XFaCE	as people lose confidence in standard cash storage	Aug 25 02:17
XFaCE	happened during the greece incident	Aug 25 02:18
schestowitz	have they shot up yet?	Aug 25 02:18
schestowitz	I think price of gold is said to have benefited	Aug 25 02:18
schestowitz	it's a good thing we invested a lot of our money not in just currency, 9 months ago....	Aug 25 02:19
schestowitz	though house prices too might collapse	Aug 25 02:19
schestowitz	as they did in 2008/9	Aug 25 02:19
schestowitz	depending here, but here for sure, more so in London area	Aug 25 02:19
XFaCE	schestowitz: I stand corrected	Aug 25 02:21
XFaCE	it has shot down	Aug 25 02:21
XFaCE	http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-price-slumps-following-bitfinex-outage/	Aug 25 02:22
XFaCE	ah	Aug 25 02:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.coindesk.com \| Bitcoin Price Slumps Following Bitfinex Outage [ http://ur1.ca/njmfa ]		Aug 25 02:22
schestowitz	"i don't think that will happen in UK"	Aug 25 02:22
XFaCE	unrelated	Aug 25 02:22
schestowitz	"we have our own currency for one thing"	Aug 25 02:22
schestowitz	That assumes it exists in a vacuum though	Aug 25 02:22
XFaCE	schestowitz: there's also the news about bitcoin forking	Aug 25 02:23
XFaCE	which it should	Aug 25 02:23
schestowitz	yeah	Aug 25 02:23
schestowitz	last week's news	Aug 25 02:23
XFaCE	there are many infrastructure issues that can only be solved with a different protocol	Aug 25 02:23
schestowitz	lots of FUD from corporate media as a result	Aug 25 02:23
XFaCE	really?	Aug 25 02:23
XFaCE	I'm not surprised	Aug 25 02:24
XFaCE	schestowitz: but I'm curious, how did they spin it?	Aug 25 02:24
schestowitz	"well it's not impossible for us to have trouble"	Aug 25 02:24
schestowitz	"but not the restriction on cash like they've had in greece"	Aug 25 02:24
schestowitz	-colleague	Aug 25 02:24
schestowitz	XFaCE: I can't recall exactly, but Wall Street media made it sound like Bitcoin is kaput	Aug 25 02:24
schestowitz	some played the "open source" anglew	Aug 25 02:24
XFaCE	schestowitz: did it sounds like a Microsoft Jack article?	Aug 25 02:25
XFaCE	*sound	Aug 25 02:25
schestowitz	No, nothing of that sort	Aug 25 02:25
schestowitz	Jack doesn't even write much for all I can tell...	Aug 25 02:25
schestowitz	when he does, it's not always awful	Aug 25 02:26
XFaCE	I mean in terms of style	Aug 25 02:26
XFaCE	I read a MS jack article (IIRC)	Aug 25 02:26
schestowitz	in recent years he sometimes promotes Chromebooks/Android/Apple 'i' things	Aug 25 02:26
XFaCE	it was about libreoffice and openoffice should merge	Aug 25 02:26
schestowitz	yes, he wrote about it recently	Aug 25 02:26
schestowitz	but his article wasn't too bad	Aug 25 02:26
schestowitz	I checked it for abusive languages and such	Aug 25 02:26
XFaCE	started out reasonable, ended with Microsoft sucking-up	Aug 25 02:26
schestowitz	he quoted that german (sounding) guy and explained what was expressed	Aug 25 02:27
schestowitz	no snide remarks that I could see	Aug 25 02:27
schestowitz	I didn't see the MS sucking up	Aug 25 02:27
XFaCE	schestowitz: I think he mention munich again in the end	Aug 25 02:27
schestowitz	can you show me that?	Aug 25 02:27
schestowitz	oh, did he?	Aug 25 02:27
schestowitz	But how so?	Aug 25 02:27
XFaCE	if I can find the article again	Aug 25 02:28
schestowitz	It's not so important	Aug 25 02:28
schestowitz	and it's old	Aug 25 02:28
schestowitz	so even if I found something, I wouldn't want to bring that up again	Aug 25 02:28
XFaCE	http://www.zdnet.com/article/apache-should-deprecate-openoffice-and-send-users-to-libreoffice-instead/	Aug 25 02:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Apache should deprecate OpenOffice and send users to LibreOffice instead \| ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/njmi0 ]		Aug 25 02:29
schestowitz	let's just say that his attacks on libreoffice in the comments the other month were priceless	Aug 25 02:29
schestowitz	ah, ok	Aug 25 02:29
XFaCE	"Of course, even after the Munich debacle, some organizations may still want to switch from Microsoft Office to a version of Open Office, but the research suggests this leads to a loss of productivity and increased costs. Today, ZDNet reported that an Italian city that switched to Open Office is now switching to Office 365, and Munich may yet follow."	Aug 25 02:29
schestowitz	someone told me about these in d&	Aug 25 02:29
schestowitz	d*	Aug 25 02:29
schestowitz	ah, typical jack	Aug 25 02:29
schestowitz	but it's not too gross a statement	Aug 25 02:30
XFaCE	true	Aug 25 02:30
XFaCE	but it's pandering nonetheless	Aug 25 02:30
schestowitz	as it is based on at least some claims	Aug 25 02:30
schestowitz	not made up in a vacuum	Aug 25 02:30
schestowitz	well, this relates to openoffice and libreoffice	Aug 25 02:30
schestowitz	so not a total misfit	Aug 25 02:30
schestowitz	when he writes about ms office he doesn't mention libO and OO	Aug 25 02:30
schestowitz	but the opposite untrue, he would smear both and promote MS	Aug 25 02:31
schestowitz	but that's why he's called Microsoft Jack	Aug 25 02:31
schestowitz	if you had shown me this yesterday, I would have included it in the article about munich	Aug 25 02:31
schestowitz	I don't want to whine too much about minor things where there are bigger things to show, e.g. with MS Jack	Aug 25 02:34
schestowitz	seeming like a "whiner"	Aug 25 02:34
schestowitz	not nitpicker	Aug 25 02:34
schestowitz	his article was not TOO horrible	Aug 25 02:34
schestowitz	unlike some	Aug 25 02:34
MinceR	"review: this article sucked somewhat less than his other articles."	Aug 25 02:35
XFaCE	indeed	Aug 25 02:36
schestowitz	if you start whining about smaller things, people stop listening	Aug 25 02:37
schestowitz	like, if I did lots of rants about red hat and systemd	Aug 25 02:37
schestowitz	or if I picked on canonical for some things like debs, Software Centre etc.	Aug 25 02:37
schestowitz	MS Jack did give coverage to OO/LO	Aug 25 02:38
schestowitz	and that in itself helps raise awareness	Aug 25 02:38
schestowitz	he didn't have to mention them at all, so why discourage him\|?	Aug 25 02:38
schestowitz	when I first saw the headline last week I though he was attacking them	Aug 25 02:38
schestowitz	but it cannot be viewed quite as such	Aug 25 02:38
schestowitz	so I let it be. I worry more about Microsoft Petetr now	Aug 25 02:39
schestowitz	Microsoft Emil, the one he took over from at Ars, is now focused on Amazon, Facebook, etc.	Aug 25 02:39
schestowitz	Sometimes Android	Aug 25 02:39
schestowitz	he hardly ever carries water for Microsoft anymore	Aug 25 02:39
schestowitz	same with Ina Fried	Aug 25 02:39
schestowitz	so Microsoft has been losing some high-profile boosters, and that's very encouraging	Aug 25 02:40
schestowitz	days ago MS Peter wrote about Firefox	Aug 25 02:40
schestowitz	and sometimes he criticises Vista 10 these days	Aug 25 02:40
MinceR	the fsf and rms should be doing rants about systemd	Aug 25 02:40
schestowitz	so I think his employer may have said something to him	Aug 25 02:40
MinceR	it's why we have them	Aug 25 02:40
XFaCE	schestowitz: drpizza isn't here anymore I noticed	Aug 25 02:40
MinceR	XFaCE: and nothing of value was lost	Aug 25 02:40
schestowitz	MinceR: no, it would discredit the FSF	Aug 25 02:40
schestowitz	for chastising a project that respects the 4 freedoms as per the GPL	Aug 25 02:41
MinceR	no, the fsf not doing its job is what's discrediting it	Aug 25 02:41
XFaCE	MinceR: at the moment, IgnorantGuru has been the most active critic I seen	Aug 25 02:41
MinceR	it doesn't	Aug 25 02:41
MinceR	lock-in infringes on freedom 0	Aug 25 02:41
XFaCE	schestowitz: He also referenced you in an article	Aug 25 02:41
MinceR	unreadable code and secret apis infringe on freedom 1	Aug 25 02:41
schestowitz	XFaCE: which one?	Aug 25 02:41
MinceR	but the fsf turns a blind eye as long as their licenses are used	Aug 25 02:41
XFaCE	https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/openwashing-and-other-deceptions-in-linux/	Aug 25 02:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-igurublog.wordpress.com \| Openwashing And Other Deceptions In Linux « IgnorantGuru's Blog [ http://ur1.ca/muv1o ]		Aug 25 02:41
XFaCE	"The latest trend in this area seems to be bringing disinformation and propaganda tactics into the fray. The latest is “open washing”. Techrights.org explains:"	Aug 25 02:42
schestowitz	I think I coined the term	Aug 25 02:42
schestowitz	but it's hard to be sure	Aug 25 02:42
schestowitz	I used it before I ever heard it, maybe others came up with it independently	Aug 25 02:42
schestowitz	ok, so he definitely has been following the site, he cites it several times... https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/openwashing-and-other-deceptions-in-linux/	Aug 25 02:43
MinceR	if free unixes die and in 2025, the FSF comes out "oh gee, we shouldn't have fallen for systemd", what will people think about the FSF and its credit?	Aug 25 02:43
XFaCE	MinceR: the problem is systemd, on paper, is free software	Aug 25 02:44
MinceR	it isn't	Aug 25 02:45
MinceR	free software is defined by the FSD	Aug 25 02:45
XFaCE	on paper :P	Aug 25 02:45
MinceR	which doesn't rely on licenses	Aug 25 02:45
XFaCE	like you see GPL and you think "it's good"	Aug 25 02:45
MinceR	the FSF pretends it's like the OSD, which only talks about what the license ought to be like	Aug 25 02:45
MinceR	and true enough, the copyright license of systemd is a free one	Aug 25 02:46
MinceR	but this doesn't mean that it respects the user's freedom	Aug 25 02:46
XFaCE	one hypothesis I have is that politics is at play	Aug 25 02:46
XFaCE	certainly when it comes to systemd, there's a level of "groupthink" dynamics visible	Aug 25 02:47
XFaCE	in many defense articles and such	Aug 25 02:47
schestowitz	MinceR: maybe they need gplv4	Aug 25 02:47
MinceR	i don't think that a license can solve all our problems	Aug 25 02:47
schestowitz	for same reason they needed gplv3 and affero	Aug 25 02:47
schestowitz	to close new loopholes	Aug 25 02:47
MinceR	i'm not sure if it can even fix the d-bus hole.	Aug 25 02:47
XFaCE	MinceR: One article tried to associate systemd detractors with misogynist behaviour	Aug 25 02:48
MinceR	trying to fix that hole would come dangerously close to limiting what other software you have installed on the same system may be licensed as	Aug 25 02:48
schestowitz	[ot] northwest uk gives the kicking to london so far :-) http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb.html	Aug 25 02:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.premierleague.com \| Barclays Premier League football news, fixtures, scores & results		Aug 25 02:48
MinceR	yeah, i've heard that SIWs are involved in the politics around systemd and debian	Aug 25 02:48
schestowitz	top 4 not london	Aug 25 02:48
XFaCE	MinceR: It smacked of the SJW/policially-correct groupthink mentality	Aug 25 02:49
MinceR	i haven't seen too much of it yet, though	Aug 25 02:49
XFaCE	MinceR: Poettering often seems to act like a professional victim	Aug 25 02:49
MinceR	indeed	Aug 25 02:49
MinceR	while lashing out at everyone who doesn't worship him and his shitty designs and code	Aug 25 02:49
XFaCE	which I don't get	Aug 25 02:50
MinceR	maybe this is the way PR works now	Aug 25 02:50
XFaCE	his init is used by major linux distros, and is by far the "de facto" linux init in some ways	Aug 25 02:50
XFaCE	yet he still whines?	Aug 25 02:50
MinceR	yeah	Aug 25 02:50
MinceR	it seems that there's a systemd thought police	Aug 25 02:50
XFaCE	it would be like if Bill Gates did an article complaining that he has critics	Aug 25 02:50
MinceR	we get them on the devuan channels too	Aug 25 02:50
MinceR	it's not enough for them that you use systemd	Aug 25 02:51
MinceR	you must also love it!	Aug 25 02:51
MinceR	crimethink is not tolerated.	Aug 25 02:51
schestowitz	yeah	Aug 25 02:51
XFaCE	MinceR: the attempt to tie it into social justice topics seems to be an obvious ploy as well	Aug 25 02:51
schestowitz	http://money.cnn.com/data/world_markets/europe/	Aug 25 02:52
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MinceR	now i remember, even m$ tried to pull such a PR move earlier	Aug 25 02:52
XFaCE	which in particular?	Aug 25 02:52
MinceR	well before the whole gamergate thing	Aug 25 02:52
schestowitz	oh dear... it's collapsing again (Asia)	Aug 25 02:52
schestowitz	http://money.cnn.com/data/world_markets/asia/	Aug 25 02:52
MinceR	the curse words in comments and things like that	Aug 25 02:52
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schestowitz	China down 6%	Aug 25 02:52
MinceR	my memories are vague	Aug 25 02:53
MinceR	hopefully Roy remembers it better	Aug 25 02:53
schestowitz	regarding what?	Aug 25 02:53
schestowitz	gamergate?	Aug 25 02:53
XFaCE	MinceR: fortunately in the article with the disgusting "systemd detractors and woman haters" nonsense, the author was called out	Aug 25 02:53
MinceR	no, before it	Aug 25 02:53
schestowitz	ah, that one... LOL!	Aug 25 02:53
schestowitz	I forgot who wrote that	Aug 25 02:54
schestowitz	I haven't done a single article purely about systemd	Aug 25 02:54
schestowitz	it's not to be criticised	Aug 25 02:54
MinceR	if i knew back then that it's going to matter, i would remember it now	Aug 25 02:54
schestowitz	as you know you'll get abused	Aug 25 02:54
schestowitz	like mono	Aug 25 02:54
MinceR	so you're already subject to chilling effects :>	Aug 25 02:54
XFaCE	meet the new boss, same as the old boss	Aug 25 02:55
MinceR	the systemd thought police is working	Aug 25 02:55
XFaCE	MinceR: I dread the day when Linus retires	Aug 25 02:55
XFaCE	his anti-PCness is crucial anchor	Aug 25 02:56
MinceR	indeed	Aug 25 02:56
MinceR	even now he's the only person standing in the way of the windowsification of the kernel	Aug 25 02:56
MinceR	(kdbus)	Aug 25 02:57
schestowitz	!google torvalds dick sucking contest	Aug 25 02:57
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Linus Torvalds: I will not change Linux to “deep-throat Microsoft ... \| http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/02/linus-torvalds-i-will-not-change-linux-to-deep-throat-microsoft/	Aug 25 02:57
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Linus Torvalds to secure boot supporters: This is not a dick-sucking ... \| http://www.linuxveda.com/0201/02/02/linus-torvalds-secure-boot-supporters-not-dick-sucking-contest/	Aug 25 02:57
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Linus Torvalds Explodes at Red Hat Developer - Slashdot \| http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/02/25/1251236/linus-torvalds-explodes-at-red-hat-developer	Aug 25 02:57
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Torvalds Curses Over UEFI Stupidity, Gets Upset at Red Hat ... \| http://techrights.org/2013/02/25/torvalds-vs-uefi/	Aug 25 02:57
schestowitz	re UEFI	Aug 25 02:57
MinceR	and of course the red hat fan club will just circumvent him and patch kdbus into the kernel in major distros	Aug 25 02:57
MinceR	(that is, the systemd/Linux ones)	Aug 25 02:58
XFaCE	MinceR: so not android?	Aug 25 02:58
MinceR	google doesn't seem to be on the systemd bandwagon	Aug 25 02:59
MinceR	and they already have their own IPC in their kernel, binder	Aug 25 02:59
XFaCE	so we have an interesting situation	Aug 25 02:59
MinceR	i don't know what that's like	Aug 25 02:59
MinceR	i suspect i wouldn't want it on GNU/Linux either	Aug 25 02:59
XFaCE	where android source might be the key to filter out systemd as it were	Aug 25 02:59
MinceR	i hope it doesn't come to that	Aug 25 02:59
schestowitz	does google still fund mono?	Aug 25 03:00
schestowitz	Xamarin that is?	Aug 25 03:00
schestowitz	in GSOC?	Aug 25 03:00
MinceR	while android is the most unixy surviving mobile os, it's not very unixy	Aug 25 03:00
MinceR	i don't know	Aug 25 03:00
schestowitz	I didn't see evidence of that this summer	Aug 25 03:00
schestowitz	Xamarin is funded by 'former' MS money	Aug 25 03:00
schestowitz	no need for Google to dump a single dollar into this crap	Aug 25 03:00
schestowitz	helps the whole openwashing effort of dotNOT	Aug 25 03:00
XFaCE	schestowitz: Matthew Garrett eh	Aug 25 03:01
XFaCE	I haven't followed for awhile, but I recall seeing a screenshot somewhere where he answered a bunch of GG-supporters on TWitter with tweets saying "FART FART FART"	Aug 25 03:02
schestowitz	yes, he's an arse like this sometimes	Aug 25 03:03
schestowitz	last I checked his feed (I follow his blog closely, but not twitter) he seemed more like a troll, not a PHD	Aug 25 03:03
schestowitz	lots of immature jokes and insults/slang	Aug 25 03:03
schestowitz	that's his style	Aug 25 03:03
schestowitz	crude like Jo Shields	Aug 25 03:04
XFaCE	so in other words, he can't argue based on merits	Aug 25 03:04
schestowitz	the Oxbridge cult	Aug 25 03:04
schestowitz	XFaCE: he can	Aug 25 03:04
schestowitz	he's a smart person	Aug 25 03:04
schestowitz	but his style is another matter, he can curse openly sometimes	Aug 25 03:04
XFaCE	which is fine	Aug 25 03:04
XFaCE	the problem is when that is the bulk of your non-argument	Aug 25 03:04
schestowitz	he's originally a biologist IIRC	Aug 25 03:05
schestowitz	Not a programmer	Aug 25 03:05
schestowitz	born in north ireland, I think, maybe south	Aug 25 03:05
schestowitz	and varghese mocked his weight	Aug 25 03:05
MinceR	that IgnorantGuru post is great	Aug 25 03:05
schestowitz	being very thin, like the joke/streotype	Aug 25 03:05
schestowitz	Varghese himself is far	Aug 25 03:05
schestowitz	*fat	Aug 25 03:05
schestowitz	MinceR: I've just actually READ it	Aug 25 03:09
schestowitz	not the comments (yet)	Aug 25 03:09
MinceR	it didn't occur to me to read the comments	Aug 25 03:10
MinceR	i guess other sites trained me not to	Aug 25 03:10
schestowitz	yeah, but in some sites there's better quality control	Aug 25 03:10
schestowitz	like requiring registration	Aug 25 03:10
schestowitz	reduce the one-liners like "fuck you" or "this article is poo poo" (real comment, left by some lawyers who created an account just to leave this comment)	Aug 25 03:11
MinceR	:>	Aug 25 03:11
schestowitz	A friendly mistakenly deleted it	Aug 25 03:12
schestowitz	though comments never get deleted	Aug 25 03:12
schestowitz	and the lawyers posted it again	Aug 25 03:12
schestowitz	this was the first known deletion of a comment, mistake made not by me	Aug 25 03:12
schestowitz	but it was undone	Aug 25 03:12
schestowitz	youtube comments used to be worse too	Aug 25 03:12
schestowitz	before they cracked down a bit on anon comments	Aug 25 03:12
schestowitz	or untied-to-address comments	Aug 25 03:13
schestowitz	http://money.cnn.com/data/world_markets/europe/	Aug 25 03:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-money.cnn.com \| European Stock Markets - CNNMoney [ http://ur1.ca/njmr9 ]		Aug 25 03:22
schestowitz	still down in Asia	Aug 25 03:22
schestowitz	http://fx-rate.net/GBP/USD/#graph	Aug 25 03:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fx-rate.net \| Pound to Dollar - GBP to USD exchange rate - Find the best United Kingdom to United States currency transfer		Aug 25 03:24
schestowitz	pound getting weaker http://fx-rate.net/GBP/EUR/#graph	Aug 25 03:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fx-rate.net \| Pound to Euro - GBP to EUR exchange rate - Find the best United Kingdom to Europe currency transfer		Aug 25 03:25
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MinceR	"Admittedly, the Daily Mail is such low-hanging fruit that it's practically a potato."	Aug 25 04:20
msb__	Quote from the movie Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015): "After 5 minutes on the Internet, Ultron decides to destroy the world."	Aug 25 04:25
MinceR	fair enough	Aug 25 04:26
MinceR	same with aliens and Skynet	Aug 25 04:27
schestowitz	MinceR: LOL, yes, daily fail is views as a tabloid here	Aug 25 04:33
schestowitz	selling sex, targets women, very poor journalism, long headlines, libel, etc.	Aug 25 04:34
schestowitz	See their robots.txt	Aug 25 04:34
schestowitz	many articles got blocked due to threat of legal action over libel etc. I reckon	Aug 25 04:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines IBM adds Java to Bluemix for open source	Aug 25 06:51
TweetTuxMachines	agility http://t.co/5sLH3mRW45	Aug 25 06:51
TweetTuxMachines	(www.cbronline.com)	Aug 25 06:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njp9u	Aug 25 06:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cbronline.com \| IBM adds Java to Bluemix for open source agility - Computer Business Review		Aug 25 06:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Leftovers http://t.co/dXxn28SE8o	Aug 25 06:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 25 06:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njp9w	Aug 25 06:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Aug 25 06:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenELEC 6.0 Beta 4 released	Aug 25 07:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Qf59W6uhCS (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 25 07:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njpg3	Aug 25 07:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| OpenELEC 6.0 Beta 4 released \| Tux Machines		Aug 25 07:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Watch: Ubuntu MATE 15.04 (Vivid Vervet) Running	Aug 25 07:07
TweetTuxMachines	on Banana Pi BPI-M1 http://t.co/Aef8Tz5Zzv	Aug 25 07:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 25 07:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njpg9	Aug 25 07:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Watch: Ubuntu MATE 15.04 (Vivid Vervet) Running on Banana Pi BPI-M1 \| Tux Machines		Aug 25 07:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-6 Images to Arrive on	Aug 25 07:08
TweetTuxMachines	Wednesday for Meizu MX4 and Nexus Devices	Aug 25 07:08
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/GTtj3Vrw1d (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 25 07:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njpgb	Aug 25 07:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Touch OTA-6 Images to Arrive on Wednesday for Meizu MX4 and Nexus Devices \| Tux Machines		Aug 25 07:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LibreOffice-from-Collabora 4.4 introduces	Aug 25 08:43
TweetTuxMachines	OOXML, PDF, and configuration management	Aug 25 08:43
TweetTuxMachines	improvements http://t.co/KUdPjlk2LA	Aug 25 08:43
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 25 08:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njqf2	Aug 25 08:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| LibreOffice-from-Collabora 4.4 introduces OOXML, PDF, and configuration management improvements \| Tux Machines		Aug 25 08:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Turns 24, Happy Birthday!	Aug 25 08:43
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/mC4lq54AuL (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 25 08:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njqf3	Aug 25 08:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Turns 24, Happy Birthday! \| Tux Machines		Aug 25 08:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Should You Root Your Android Phone?	Aug 25 08:43
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Oa56IR7D23 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 25 08:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Should You Root Your Android Phone? \| Tux Machines		Aug 25 08:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines IoT server is loaded with Linux “Candi”	Aug 25 08:54
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Jt87lyX4hE (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 25 08:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njqik	Aug 25 08:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| IoT server is loaded with Linux “Candi” \| Tux Machines		Aug 25 08:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open source part of Poland’s animal tracking	Aug 25 08:54
TweetTuxMachines	project http://t.co/sV1P3F1Sva	Aug 25 08:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 25 08:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Open source part of Poland’s animal tracking project \| Tux Machines		Aug 25 08:54
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DaemonFC	I RF Rill O'Beilly • 3 minutes ago	Aug 25 09:12
DaemonFC	It's been estimated, based on the leaked data, that about 5.5% of the men in the United States had an account on Ashley Madison. There have already been some right-wing "family values" fundies exposed, and I'll bet that the funnin' is just begunnin'. ;)	Aug 25 09:12
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6505976	Aug 25 10:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Canonical Kills Desktop #Ubuntu Software Center, Focuses on Mobile Apps http://thevarguy.com/open-source-application-software-companies/082415/canonical-shifts-focus-mobile-apps-away-desktop-ubuntu-so #gnu #linux		Aug 25 10:19
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schestowitz	"Yeah, I heard a talk at a conference about Ubuntu Phone and this was the most crucial message I took home."	Aug 25 10:19
schestowitz	They kept it low-ish key	Aug 25 10:19
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507022	Aug 25 10:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: By trying to warp #MH17 story in some of the most ridiculous of ways, #kremlin ensures that nobody will ever trust any of its words again		Aug 25 10:20
schestowitz	"No one should trust any of its words, but from what I’ve seen, many will, simply because Russia is opposed to NATO."	Aug 25 10:20
schestowitz	Both are to be distrusted, but the question is, who's worse and by how much?	Aug 25 10:20
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6506042	Aug 25 10:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Nothing to do with #android (people choose weak patterns) and requires physical access anyway http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/android-lock-patterns-are-highly-predictable-could-give-people-access-to-phones-10469314.html		Aug 25 10:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.independent.co.uk \| Android lock patterns are highly predictable, could give people access to phones - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/njnhf ]		Aug 25 10:20
schestowitz	"Choose an actual password and encrypt the device, at least that is what I do."	Aug 25 10:20
schestowitz	never sure about encryption of devices that have a back door (baseband OS)	Aug 25 10:21
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Vandahmier/status/636110538515177472	Aug 25 10:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Vandahmier: RT @schestowitz #Greenland fastest-melting glacier may have just set a terrifying new record… https://t.co/liIzEhdK2e http://t.co/rUNP2GCFGS		Aug 25 10:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Greenland fastest-melting glacier may have just set a terrifying new record http://t.co/CsYoThCi15 #globalwarming		Aug 25 10:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Vandahmier: RT @schestowitz #Greenland fastest-melting glacier may have just set a terrifying new record… https://t.co/liIzEhdK2e http://t.co/rUNP2GCFGS		Aug 25 10:43
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Jetagodi/status/636112639261847552	Aug 25 10:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Jetagodi: @roarbro Then pro-Kiev thugs are trolling. Plume photographer changed story many times @loondale @masamikuramoto @CT4444 @schestowitz		Aug 25 10:59
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ft_	hello room	Aug 25 11:12
XRevan86	hello ft_	Aug 25 11:12
ft_	Am I in the right room to seek guidance on installing a particular OS on my ASUS Chromebook C300?	Aug 25 11:14
ft_	I'm having a lot of fun learning the process through trial and error but if I have to powerwash my comp again I might snap it in half.	Aug 25 11:16
ft_	I just need to know which certain supportive programs I need to install in which order to do it right so it is built to last	Aug 25 11:17
ft_	anyone's more than welcome to input info. it would be sincerely appreciated. if this is even the right forum. thanks.	Aug 25 11:18
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cubexyz	I'm too late but...	Aug 25 11:33
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cubexyz	I would have told him two things:	Aug 25 11:33
cubexyz	talk to the folks in #coreboot and	Aug 25 11:33
cubexyz	look at this web site:	Aug 25 11:33
cubexyz	http://kodi.wiki/view/Chromebox#Put_in_Developer_Mode	Aug 25 11:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kodi.wiki \| Chromebox - Kodi [ http://ur1.ca/jy4zg ]		Aug 25 11:33
cubexyz	or use crouton	Aug 25 11:34
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/pietro_nurra/status/636122834704711680	Aug 25 11:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pietro_nurra: @PaoloNurra @ArtizzuFederico la bolla Apple in implosione https://t.co/biKYsmIAPi		Aug 25 11:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Did Tim Cook Violate Regulation ... To Save AAPL Stock This Morning http://t.co/r8qSD7xFAT "lost a whopping $75 billion in market" #apple		Aug 25 11:34
schestowitz	cubexyz: crouton works OK	Aug 25 11:34
schestowitz	cubexyz: on my first chromebook I installed proper linux, not under browser	Aug 25 11:34
schestowitz	but now, on a different chromebook, crouton works better	Aug 25 11:35
cubexyz	which one(s)?	Aug 25 11:35
schestowitz	and you don't really feel like it's running under another OS	Aug 25 11:35
schestowitz	Acer 15	Aug 25 11:35
schestowitz	don't get Tegra	Aug 25 11:35
schestowitz	it doesn't support some things when you set it up from the ground up	Aug 25 11:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/636121746869850116	Aug 25 11:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: "If a 'Negro' has not been in jail, don't trust him to be your leader."—James David Manning https://t.co/q3BbA7ZkQz https://t.co/Jz7vlxZYCa		Aug 25 11:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com \| Obama is a Good House Negro - YouTube		Aug 25 11:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Not many people recall (or even know) that #obama site promising lots of things at elections got edited over time to delete/change promises		Aug 25 11:36
schestowitz	wtf	Aug 25 11:36
schestowitz	dafaq	Aug 25 11:37
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/636124632442142720	Aug 25 11:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz Happy Birthday!!		Aug 25 11:38
schestowitz	thank you, she says	Aug 25 11:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/cWCACCH9Ji	Aug 25 11:44
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507159	Aug 25 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "proprietary software companies are known for their public affairs (lobby) large budgets." http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2423164/munich-officials-are-sick-of-linux-and-want-windows-back		Aug 25 11:51
schestowitz	"2 (two) ‘officials’ are bitching, yes…"	Aug 25 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theinquirer.net \| Munich officials are sick of Linux and want Windows back- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/njs8r ]		Aug 25 11:51
schestowitz	They - GASP - signed a letter, Microsoft sites make a huge deal out of it....	Aug 25 11:51
cubexyz	I'd be bitching the other way :)	Aug 25 11:51
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2015/08/24/sabine-pfeiler-and-otto-seidl/	Aug 25 11:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Sabine Pfeiler and Otto Seidl Should Take Note as Russia — Like China — is in the Process of Banning Microsoft Windows for Security Reasons \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/njs97 ]		Aug 25 11:52
cubexyz	I think if you have had exposure to Unix early in life, then you'll be much quicker in appreciating Linux/BSD	Aug 25 11:52
cubexyz	the trouble is we've had an entire generation of computer people who were basically forced to use windows	Aug 25 11:53
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507236	Aug 25 11:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@harryhaller@nerdpol.ch: #Microsoft Kills #Netscape Again, This Time Removing It From the #History Books \| #Techrights - http://techrights.org/2015/05/03/burning-netscape/ \| #gates thought #internet irrelevant \| via @{Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) ; schestowitz@joindiaspora.com}		Aug 25 11:53
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cubexyz	the constant ads for windows, windows in schools, windows is omnipresent	Aug 25 11:54
cubexyz	it's like brainwashing	Aug 25 11:54
schestowitz	it is, but came to become 'norm'	Aug 25 11:54
schestowitz	wouldn't be the same if other companies in other domains did it	Aug 25 11:54
schestowitz	like Coca Cola in schools	Aug 25 11:54
cubexyz	there is coca cola in some schools	Aug 25 11:55
cubexyz	via vending machines	Aug 25 11:55
schestowitz	but not enforced	Aug 25 11:55
schestowitz	nobody forced to buy it or study it	Aug 25 11:55
schestowitz	also, there's Pepsi	Aug 25 11:55
cubexyz	right, that's an important distinction	Aug 25 11:55
cubexyz	now your pepsi is a chromebook	Aug 25 11:55
cubexyz	to me windows was never the norm	Aug 25 11:56
schestowitz	things will change	Aug 25 11:57
cubexyz	compare DEC Ultrix to Windows for example	Aug 25 11:57
schestowitz	I know some schools that not welcome "Mac"-branded PCs	Aug 25 11:57
cubexyz	Ultrix was a million times better but significantly more expensive	Aug 25 11:57
cubexyz	in the late 1980s U of Waterloo had Sun 3's and Sun 4's	Aug 25 11:58
cubexyz	they weren't using windows, at least not then	Aug 25 11:58
cubexyz	Microsoft were smart in this instance, they bombarded all programmers with windows ads	Aug 25 11:59
cubexyz	but initially there wasn't this windows ecosystem	Aug 25 12:00
cubexyz	I started to see it creep up around 1990	Aug 25 12:00
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/636130433525268480	Aug 25 12:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz I dunno if IOS counts these days, all five people using them probably won't know any way.		Aug 25 12:01
schestowitz	They'll insist it's the best thing ever because it has an 'i' in it	Aug 25 12:01
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/windows-timeline.txt	Aug 25 12:02
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cubexyz	windows aped it's betters, basically it was an el cheap copy of a workstation operating system	Aug 25 12:03
cubexyz	compare the unix filesystem to the c:\ nonsense	Aug 25 12:05
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/636132117420879872	Aug 25 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz It's the basis for my I-toast, like reg toaster but more expensive, slower and less functions!		Aug 25 12:05
cubexyz	nagware, trialware, spyware, phoning home, activation, windows 'genuine advantage'...	Aug 25 12:06
cubexyz	microsoft is toast once most schools get chromebooks	Aug 25 12:09
cubexyz	once educators realize it's less of a pain to support a chromebook then a windows box...	Aug 25 12:10
cubexyz	s/then/than/	Aug 25 12:10
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507386	Aug 25 12:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #gnu #linux has new releases every 3 days or so. #windows every 3 years. Proprietary slow. http://www.maxhost.org/other/windows-timeline.txt		Aug 25 12:13
schestowitz	"no because windows 10 will be updated very often."	Aug 25 12:13
schestowitz	Without even informing users what's being done	Aug 25 12:13
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/unix-timeline.txt	Aug 25 12:13
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507159	Aug 25 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "proprietary software companies are known for their public affairs (lobby) large budgets." http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2423164/munich-officials-are-sick-of-linux-and-want-windows-back		Aug 25 12:14
schestowitz	"As alternative to what I already suggested earlier, perhaps those two should consider moving employment to a different company, where they can ‘skype’ and have admin rights on their computers! Otherwise they should just STFU."	Aug 25 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theinquirer.net \| Munich officials are sick of Linux and want Windows back- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/njs8r ]		Aug 25 12:14
schestowitz	Skype is a sky and I regretted not adding a link to my article later in the day http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Skype_is_Spy_Campaign	Aug 25 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Skype is Spy Campaign - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/9tkg0 ]		Aug 25 12:14
schestowitz	cubexyz: I linked to your timeline	Aug 25 12:14
schestowitz	so maybe you can see it in the logds	Aug 25 12:14
cubexyz	I see it :)	Aug 25 12:14
cubexyz	although I think the unix timeline is more interesting	Aug 25 12:15
schestowitz	*sky>spy	Aug 25 12:15
schestowitz	cubexyz: if you have it	Aug 25 12:15
schestowitz	there is no single unix branch	Aug 25 12:15
cubexyz	well, we can consider Bell Labs Unix v1 through v7 as the trunk	Aug 25 12:16
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/unix-timeline.txt	Aug 25 12:16
cubexyz	early Xenix was a warmed over Unix v7	Aug 25 12:17
schestowitz	Yes, they will. After years of doing stupid things they are busy porting features from Gnu\Linux to Windows. They have reached 1994. Lets see how fast they catch up.	Aug 25 12:19
schestowitz	"https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507386"	Aug 25 12:19
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507386	Aug 25 12:19
schestowitz	"Yes, they will. After years of doing stupid things they are busy porting features from Gnu\Linux to Windows. They have reached 1994. Lets see how fast they catch up."	Aug 25 12:19
schestowitz	Too lazy and arrogant to implement features. That's what monopoly leads to.	Aug 25 12:19
cubexyz	original KDE 1.0 had virtual desktops	Aug 25 12:19
schestowitz	linked now..	Aug 25 12:21
schestowitz	helpful in making a point	Aug 25 12:21
cubexyz	when you think of how many CPU cycles were burnt up doing virus/malware scans it's really not hard to find Unix better	Aug 25 12:21
schestowitz	cubexyz: not just KDE	Aug 25 12:22
schestowitz	even prior desktop envs	Aug 25 12:22
schestowitz	KDE just inherited some things in X server I think	Aug 25 12:22
schestowitz	the thing Acacia used to sue Red Hat and Novell with	Aug 25 12:22
schestowitz	Xerox patent IIRC	Aug 25 12:22
schestowitz	or some other RGB storage patent in the buffer	Aug 25 12:22
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/xlib-graphics-stack.png	Aug 25 12:23
cubexyz	I didn't see virtual desktops on CDE/Motif	Aug 25 12:23
cubexyz	maybe on old Suns, can't remember	Aug 25 12:23
cubexyz	I know the Xerox Star had overlapping windows, dialog boxes, and 1024x768 resolution	Aug 25 12:25
cubexyz	I suppose the Amiga 1000 was the first to have virtual desktops	Aug 25 12:28
cubexyz	you could drag the whole screen down and start up another workbench screen	Aug 25 12:29
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cubexyz	one can compartmentalize things further by adding vdesk to twm or some other minimal window manager:	Aug 25 12:34
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cubexyz	http://offog.org/code/vdesk/ http://offog.org/code/vdesk/ http://offog.org/code/vdesk/ http://offog.org/code/vdesk/	Aug 25 12:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-offog.org \| vdesk		Aug 25 12:35
cubexyz	oops sorry	Aug 25 12:35
cubexyz	http://offog.org/code/vdesk/	Aug 25 12:35
oiaohm	cubexyz: I think that is the first time I have seen you completely screw up a paste.	Aug 25 12:38
cubexyz	not the first :)	Aug 25 12:38
oiaohm	So I must not have been around the other times.	Aug 25 12:39
cubexyz	it happens when I'm in a terminal and it copies an extra line or two of blank space	Aug 25 12:40
cubexyz	and copies more than once... but 4 times is just beyond the pale	Aug 25 12:41
oiaohm	My worst irc paste was 40 lines. These days I use a smarter client.	Aug 25 12:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google's Android is Digging Deeper into Africa	Aug 25 12:43
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ov2DYn5FNk (www.fool.com)	Aug 25 12:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njssh	Aug 25 12:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fool.com \| Google's Android is Digging Deeper into Africa -- The Motley Fool		Aug 25 12:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Updates to the sources.debian .net editor	Aug 25 12:43
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TJk8ng6Nc3	Aug 25 12:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rgeissert.blogspot.co.uk \| Raphael's blog: Updates to the sources.debian.net editor		Aug 25 12:43
TweetTuxMachines	(rgeissert.blogspot.co.uk)	Aug 25 12:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njssi	Aug 25 12:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Line for Android updated with big focus on	Aug 25 12:43
TweetTuxMachines	low-cost calling http://t.co/eY7Sg7XBK1	Aug 25 12:43
TweetTuxMachines	(venturebeat.com)	Aug 25 12:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-venturebeat.com \| Line for Android updated with big focus on low-cost calling \| VentureBeat \| Mobile \| by Michael de Waal-Montgomery		Aug 25 12:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njssj	Aug 25 12:43
oiaohm	Now this is a badly placed space " Updates to the sources.debian .net editor"	Aug 25 12:44
cubexyz	I should just double click on the URL when it gets written by wall from another computer	Aug 25 12:46
cubexyz	that would probably prevent the blank lines	Aug 25 12:46
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tor-enabled Debian mirror	Aug 25 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/PbZFaIIpJP (richardhartmann.de)	Aug 25 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njt1i	Aug 25 13:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-richardhartmann.de \| Tor-enabled Debian mirror		Aug 25 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Even though Debian has moved to systemd as	Aug 25 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	default a long while ago now, I've stayed with	Aug 25 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	sysv" http://t.co/rWO1PkY8wW (k1024.org)	Aug 25 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njt1l	Aug 25 13:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-k1024.org \| Finally, systemd!		Aug 25 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Debian http://t.co/ChGo1zHXtR	Aug 25 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 25 13:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Debian \| Tux Machines		Aug 25 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njt1o	Aug 25 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Should You Root Your Android Phone?	Aug 25 13:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/KnMiV129X6 (www.tomsguide.com)	Aug 25 13:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njt5m	Aug 25 13:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomsguide.com \| Should You Root Your Android Phone? -		Aug 25 13:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines “time has come for us, Linux users, to party”	Aug 25 13:14
TweetTuxMachines	Linux anniversary http://t.co/sUzEFYG9u5	Aug 25 13:14
TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com) Rianne’s yesterday	Aug 25 13:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Linux Turns 24, Happy Birthday! - Softpedia		Aug 25 13:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TDxzDlJIBj (schestowitz.com)	Aug 25 13:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njt5n	Aug 25 13:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com \| Rianne's 37th Birthday		Aug 25 13:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines IoT server is loaded with Linux “Candi”	Aug 25 13:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ZgurzsLK4v (linuxgizmos.com)	Aug 25 13:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| IoT server is loaded with Linux "Candi" · LinuxGizmos.com		Aug 25 13:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njt5o	Aug 25 13:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenELEC 6.0 Beta 4 released	Aug 25 13:18
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/F80oYdzD0H (openelec.tv)	Aug 25 13:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njt6x	Aug 25 13:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-openelec.tv \| OpenELEC Mediacenter - [Beta] OpenELEC 6.0 Beta 4 released		Aug 25 13:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mageia 5 - So Much Better Than Last Time	Aug 25 13:18
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kEX8C8T60a	Aug 25 13:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.everydaylinuxuser.com \| Mageia 5 - So Much Better Than Last Time « Everyday Linux User		Aug 25 13:18
TweetTuxMachines	(www.everydaylinuxuser.com)	Aug 25 13:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njt6y	Aug 25 13:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 Needs Some Awesome Wallpapers from	Aug 25 13:18
TweetTuxMachines	Talented Artists, Contribute Now	Aug 25 13:18
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/kgKcs3z5cL (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 25 13:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njt6z	Aug 25 13:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu 15.10 Needs Some Awesome Wallpapers from Talented Artists, Contribute Now - Softpedia		Aug 25 13:18
TweetTuxMachines	@MFPitalia Leggi #MFPitalia magazine	Aug 25 13:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/JDZCPdlAK9 (paper.li) Grazie a	Aug 25 13:26
TweetTuxMachines	@poore27 @Atomodetalio @tuxmachines	Aug 25 13:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li \| Money Free Party Italia		Aug 25 13:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njta0	Aug 25 13:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Introducing MrRobot, Ubuntu Touch App Enabled	Aug 25 13:26
TweetTuxMachines	Robotics Powered by Raspberry Pi	Aug 25 13:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/APRJPO1dFD (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 25 13:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njta1	Aug 25 13:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Introducing MrRobot, Ubuntu Touch App Enabled Robotics Powered by Raspberry Pi - Softpedia		Aug 25 13:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-6 Images to Arrive on	Aug 25 13:27
TweetTuxMachines	Wednesday for Meizu MX4 and Nexus Devices	Aug 25 13:27
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/QGTmvOzmjz (linux.softpedia.com)	Aug 25 13:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njta2	Aug 25 13:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Touch OTA-6 Images to Arrive on Wednesday for Meizu MX4 and Nexus Devices - Softpedia		Aug 25 13:27
cubexyz	evidently vtwm had virtual desktops back in 1990	Aug 25 13:41
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cubexyz	ok, here's a somewhat modernized mwm with nicer fonts:	Aug 25 14:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Watch: Ubuntu MATE 15.04 (Vivid Vervet) Running	Aug 25 14:16
TweetTuxMachines	on Banana Pi BPI-M1 http://t.co/QXC0rBiPvu	Aug 25 14:16
TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	Aug 25 14:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Watch: Ubuntu MATE 15.04 (Vivid Vervet) Running on Banana Pi BPI-M1 - Softpedia		Aug 25 14:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njttx	Aug 25 14:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "To wrap up the KDE Incubator success stories,	Aug 25 14:16
TweetTuxMachines	here's a bit from the Kdenlive folks."	Aug 25 14:16
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/d4qR66svr6 (dot.kde.org)	Aug 25 14:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dot.kde.org \| Another KDE success story - the Incubator - Part 4 \| KDE.news		Aug 25 14:16
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/mwm-with-antialiased-fonts.png	Aug 25 14:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linus Torvalds: Security is never going to be	Aug 25 14:16
TweetTuxMachines	perfect http://t.co/z4kqgT6ccC	Aug 25 14:16
TweetTuxMachines	(www.itworld.com)	Aug 25 14:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njttz	Aug 25 14:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com \| Linus Torvalds: Security is never going to be perfect \| ITworld		Aug 25 14:16
cubexyz	vdesk is only 10K :)	Aug 25 14:19
cubexyz	just a few xlib calls really	Aug 25 14:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The open source movement needs folk songs	Aug 25 14:21
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/3VSPu54hNq (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 25 14:21
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The open source movement needs folk songs \| Tux Machines		Aug 25 14:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linus Torvalds: Security is never going to be	Aug 25 14:21
TweetTuxMachines	perfect http://t.co/Vh7UtD7W86	Aug 25 14:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 25 14:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/njtvu	Aug 25 14:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linus Torvalds: Security is never going to be perfect \| Tux Machines		Aug 25 14:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines No, Canonical Is Not Killing the Ubuntu	Aug 25 14:21
TweetTuxMachines	Software Center http://t.co/kT8tCzZXXr	Aug 25 14:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 25 14:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| No, Canonical Is Not Killing the Ubuntu Software Center \| Tux Machines		Aug 25 14:21
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hojuruku	hi guys is anyone here i have a few very funny dmca takedowns to talk about... someone is trying to copyright their own death threats on social media	Aug 25 14:49
oiaohm	hojuruku: depends on country. Australian law by default you have the copyright.	Aug 25 15:00
oiaohm	hojuruku: I guess by the way you are talking USA law you don't.	Aug 25 15:00
hojuruku	DMCA comes under US law right?	Aug 25 15:00
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cubexyz	yes DMCA is United States copyright law	Aug 25 15:02
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hojuruku	It's a crime to do a private prosecution against corrupt police, under 60C NSW Crimes Act Austrlaia's first bikie gang law that's only been used by internal affairs against police corruption whistleblowers you can be jailed for the crime of obtaining a law enforcement officers name - NO MORE!	Aug 25 15:34
oiaohm	No its not.	Aug 25 15:35
hojuruku	Garry Has also ruled it's a crime to be against gay marriage activists raping babies. The court ruled same sex child sex makes the pepetrator gay, therefore the pepetrator of same sex child sex must not be vilified. Look up "abcplugspedos" on austlii.edu.au and be taken straight to the case law for that.	Aug 25 15:35
oiaohm	As long as the private prosecution is for contempt of court.	Aug 25 15:35
hojuruku	I have the 60C NSW Crimes Act search warrant, and an arrest warrant obtained by FOI.	Aug 25 15:36
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oiaohm	Corrupt Police offices normally would not have provide correct information to the court at times hojuruku	Aug 25 15:36
MinceR	http://img.pr0gramm.com/2015/08/25/054cd4e1d28b2ebe.jpg	Aug 25 15:36
hojuruku	http://dailymotion.com/video/x2ydhbf	Aug 25 15:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymotion.com \| Garry Burns and NSW Anti-Discrimination Board do desperate act of perjury on way down. Garry will be jailed soon :) - Video Dailymotion		Aug 25 15:37
hojuruku	Also bernard gaynor has been accused of the crime of being against gay marriage activists taking off all their clothes and shoving their errect penises with a sony handicam at cock level in boys faces. The NSW Anti-Discrimination board ruled it's a hate cirme not to be tolerant of Gay Marriage activists shoving their cocks in young boys faces... I'm serious!	Aug 25 15:37
hojuruku	http://www.alor.org/Volume50/Vol50No35.htm - look for the picture of a boy having a cock shoved in his face by a gay marriage activist, court ruled you must not be against it. We all must be boylovers.net members not haters!	Aug 25 15:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.alor.org \| ALOR - Vol.50 - No.35 [ http://ur1.ca/njups ]		Aug 25 15:38
hojuruku	oiaohm - we had a police sanctioned death threat they told me was being sent away for fingerprinting, i swore that in court. Did FOI, found that "I didn't want to take the death threat any further" - false entry on public registrar and destruction of evidence	Aug 25 15:39
hojuruku	only information obtained on Snr Sargent now Detective Michelle Richie was via FOI. Charged with 60C NSW Crimes Act for obtain true personal information on a law enforcement officer NOTHING MORE AT ALL!	Aug 25 15:40
oiaohm	http://www.thenewsmanual.net/Resources/medialaw_in_australia_03.html	Aug 25 15:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thenewsmanual.net \| Contempt & court reporting in Australia [ http://ur1.ca/njuqi ]		Aug 25 15:40
hojuruku	It's crime to investigate corrupt police that allow illegal immigrants seeking ZB951 Criminal Justice Stay Visasd - where POlice have the final say in Visa Issuance not immigration police over-rule immigration visas... because they will jail you with 60c	Aug 25 15:40
hojuruku	60c nsw crimes act has a 100% death in custody rate, no case law and a 100% conviction rate before my case.	Aug 25 15:41
oiaohm	hojuruku: really I am not a master law here	Aug 25 15:41
oiaohm	hojuruku: a lot of what you have said falls under contempt of court.	Aug 25 15:41
hojuruku	it's the only fully indictible offence to have special provisions in the criminal procedure act to have NO JURY ALLOWED.	Aug 25 15:41
hojuruku	the only "victims" of the crime can be police.	Aug 25 15:41
hojuruku	The greens amended the law to protect a minority of a minority of a minorty. Gay Police Spouses.	Aug 25 15:41
oiaohm	Bribes modifining, evidence.... That is all contempt of court.	Aug 25 15:41
hojuruku	The law they claimed to be against at inception.	Aug 25 15:41
hojuruku	Yeah I had dirt on them first, so then Garry Burns starts stlaking me for Catherine Burns to fabricate my first charge in exile, now I'm the criminal.... total bS i could jail 4 police before they ever had anything on me.	Aug 25 15:42
oiaohm	Australia law design is very solid. Usage of the law by the public is up to crap.	Aug 25 15:42
hojuruku	canberradeclaration.org.au	Aug 25 15:42
hojuruku	protests against the gay kiddy fuck child sex courts have began. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8PTeEOHC0w - also it's a crime to vilify a satanic cult otoaustralia.org.au - look up "legg devine" on austlii.edu.au	Aug 25 15:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Religious Freedom - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/njurq ]		Aug 25 15:43
hojuruku	Yes it is a crime to denounce child sex! See the video in the case law, most popular on my channel and see them saying that baby fuckers are homosexuals who must not be vilified. mark newtown and peter truong are serving 40 year sentences for gay dads 20 month old baby rape.	Aug 25 15:45
hojuruku	http://caselaw.nsw.gov.au/decision/558b3c8ee4b0f1d031de9eb8	Aug 25 15:45
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hojuruku	http://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/decision/558b3c8ee4b0f1d031de9eb8	Aug 25 15:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au \| Burns v Sunol - NSW Caselaw [ http://ur1.ca/njuse ]		Aug 25 15:45
hojuruku	listen to the Australian gay ABC TV kiddy sex media giggling with the baby rapists. http://archive.org/details/TwoDadsAreBetterThanOne	Aug 25 15:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.org \| Two Dads Are Better Than One: Gay Man Gets 40-Year Sentence for Molesting Boy He Adopted From Russia : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive [ http://ur1.ca/njusm ]		Aug 25 15:46
oiaohm	hojuruku: funny enough the loss of evidence of a death threat should not ever happen. Even if you don't want to track it down in case something happened in future.	Aug 25 15:46
oiaohm	hojuruku: I would say see a good law firm over that one.	Aug 25 15:46
hojuruku	if you link to http://tinyurl.com/abcplugspedos (goes to youtube.com/hojuruku's #1 video) you'll be jailed in Australia because there are comments on there critising those who anally rape babies since 20 months or orally have sex with babies since 2 weeks. You must not vilify baby sex the court has ruled. 3 judges!	Aug 25 15:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| ABC admits it "accidentally" adored child rapist boy love network member as model father - YouTube		Aug 25 15:46
hojuruku	alliance defending freedom dot org... time to call them up	Aug 25 15:47
hojuruku	i was wondering if you have any other ideas?	Aug 25 15:47
hojuruku	when wordpress found out they tried to copyright their image showing they run a rent boy business they said no under fair use :)	Aug 25 15:47
oiaohm	Really you want to take these things on you have to understand the law well.	Aug 25 15:48
oiaohm	Lot of items you can show in court that you cannot place on the interent.	Aug 25 15:48
oiaohm	hojuruku: I will tell you something super stupid. Lets say you have someone you know make a drawing of the picture. That drawing is their copyright. So they can give you permission to display it.	Aug 25 15:50
oiaohm	Yes legal loop hole around copyright.	Aug 25 15:50
hojuruku	so if a tranny zoey ter threatens to kerb stomp a jews head in half on twitter, christian activists like winteryknight.wordpress.com can't put it on his blog?	Aug 25 15:51
oiaohm	Note the .com bit.	Aug 25 15:51
hojuruku	http://winteryknight.com/2015/07/20/ben-shapiro-will-press-charges-against-transgender-zoey-tur/	Aug 25 15:51
oiaohm	That is USA hosted.	Aug 25 15:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-winteryknight.com \| Ben Shapiro will press charges against transgender Zoey Tur \| WINTERY KNIGHT [ http://ur1.ca/njuuu ]		Aug 25 15:51
oiaohm	So you have USA freedom of speach laws.	Aug 25 15:52
hojuruku	could that death threat be copyrighted too?	Aug 25 15:52
oiaohm	What are far more legally allowing.	Aug 25 15:52
hojuruku	yeah i know :P	Aug 25 15:52
oiaohm	Note if you can prove they are Australia cit and they put it on a USA site they are still screwed under Australian law.	Aug 25 15:52
oiaohm	DCMA take down notices can be used Against Australia cit for death threats.	Aug 25 15:53
oiaohm	Yes that is treaty extention to DCMA.	Aug 25 15:53
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hojuruku	jgay.. uh oh... gay stalkers are here...	Aug 25 15:57
oiaohm	hojuruku: threats against life you have to be careful repeating them on the internet. Its the inciting violence sections of law can come back and bite you.	Aug 25 15:57
jgay	oiaohm, don't feed trolls	Aug 25 15:58
hojuruku	I was just talking about gay rights activists and a global threat to free speech threatening to kill my wife baby and I. Also they say I, and my father fuck children... lovely people.	Aug 25 15:58
hojuruku	https://globalfreedomofexpression.columbia.edu/cases/burns-v-sunol/ - columbia university says garry burns is a GLOBAL THREAT to free speech.	Aug 25 15:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-globalfreedomofexpression.columbia.edu \| Global Freedom of Expression \| Burns v. Sunol [ http://ur1.ca/njun3 ]		Aug 25 15:58
jgay	my name is Joshua Gay and my IRC handle is jgay.	Aug 25 15:59
hojuruku	http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:dAfK_9NnV3gJ:https://victimsofgaybullying.wordpress.com/tag/gary-burns/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk - you can't be against gay rights activists running a rent boy business as they extort money for the nsw police charity twenty10.org.au that takes 12 year old runaway gay boys from "homophobic" christian familes?	Aug 25 16:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-webcache.googleusercontent.com \| Gary Burns \| Victims of Gay Bullying [ http://ur1.ca/njuxz ]		Aug 25 16:00
hojuruku	http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:RYSdPNonhnQJ:victimsofgaybullying.wordpress.com/category/uncategorized/+&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk or them putting up photos of a boy on a rocking poney and saying they had sex with him at the same time they try and sue your family for the crime of critising published gay marriage activists mark newtown and peter truoung raping babies?	Aug 25 16:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-webcache.googleusercontent.com \| Uncategorized \| Victims of Gay Bullying [ http://ur1.ca/njuyj ]		Aug 25 16:01
hojuruku	jgay do you support pedophilia? Because I'm an anti-pedophile activist. Just so you know....	Aug 25 16:01
MinceR	hojuruku: his name is not a reaction to what you said	Aug 25 16:02
hojuruku	oh jgay, sorry, I you are lilke Bernard Gaynor then who's being sued by Garry Burns for the crime of critising gay marriage activists showving their penises into young boys faces as they film in gay pride parades... http://bernardgaynor.com.au/facebook-says-torontos-pride-parade-breaches-community-standards/	Aug 25 16:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bernardgaynor.com.au \| Facebook says Toronto’s Pride Parade breaches community standards \| Bernard Gaynor [ http://ur1.ca/njuyu ]		Aug 25 16:02
hojuruku	no i came on here to talk about Gay Rights activists copyrighting the death threats using a DMCA to wordpress... this is the right channel for that kind of stuff right?	Aug 25 16:03
hojuruku	their i mean.	Aug 25 16:03
MinceR	it does seem to be on topic	Aug 25 16:03
hojuruku	the uncategorized link above has the details of the DMCA and exactly what they claimed, but not the 3rd DMCA trying to copyright images of their rent boy business, as that was posted as a comment.	Aug 25 16:04
oiaohm	hojuruku: you have to be aware you need lawyer sit down with you and explain "contempt of court"	Aug 25 16:05
hojuruku	Literally 3 seconds ago I just found this! my dad emailed me.. https://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/decision/55da812de4b0012d84a75507 - we lost on appeal. You must not critize gay marriage activists raping babies. That was published today!	Aug 25 16:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au \| Burns v Sunol - NSW Caselaw [ http://ur1.ca/njv03 ]		Aug 25 16:05
oiaohm	Vigilant style approces is not inside Australian law.	Aug 25 16:06
jgay	hojuruku, it would appear you are talking about DMCA take down notices. I find your comment of "uh oh ... gay stalkers are here ...", which was directed toward me, to not be at all related to the subject of DMCA take down notices. I have worked full time as a professional social activist for about a decade, and while I appreciate that there are lots of ways of being an activist, I have never found find being unapologetically rude to people for no good reas	Aug 25 16:09
jgay	on to be an effective form of activism.	Aug 25 16:09
hojuruku	jgay, i'm taking about more than that, vilification law being used to normalize pedophilia and satanism	Aug 25 16:09
hojuruku	read the case law links.	Aug 25 16:09
oiaohm	hojuruku: the problem here you have major flaw here in your logic.	Aug 25 16:10
hojuruku	you must not vilify Alister Crowley's satanic cult of gay boy rape and murder, aka otoaustralia.org.au or you will be jailed for religious vilification. search "legg devine" site austlii.edu.au	Aug 25 16:10
jgay	hojuruku, I'm talking about just one thing. You being a jerk to the people you are talking with. I'm not sure I can get past that to actually listen to the substance of other things you have to say.	Aug 25 16:10
oiaohm	Courts of Australia is the one that is ment to decide what is illegal pedophila and so on.	Aug 25 16:10
jgay	and I see no reason to afford you any good will or respect until you choose to not be a jerk to me or others.	Aug 25 16:10
oiaohm	Putting evidence in the public before prosecution in a count can make the person unable to be prosecuted hojuruku	Aug 25 16:11
hojuruku	the courts normalize pedophilia... see this.. http://www.rt.com/news/171868-australia-judge-incest-homosexuality/	Aug 25 16:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com \| Outrage as Australian judge says incest, pedophilia ‘may be accepted’ by society — RT News [ http://ur1.ca/njv22 ]		Aug 25 16:11
cubexyz	oiaohm, I just had an idea about firefox using 100% cpu	Aug 25 16:11
oiaohm	hojuruku: and he is no longer judge.	Aug 25 16:11
jgay	and so I have ignored hojuruku.	Aug 25 16:11
cubexyz	couldn't one just use a utility like cpulimit and make certain that ff doesn't use 50% cpu?	Aug 25 16:11
oiaohm	cubexyz: yep cgroup cpu limit firefox works quite well.	Aug 25 16:12
hojuruku	oiaohm - my father recused Magistrate Nancy Henessy too.. Soon that bitch will be no longer a judge. Bernard GAYnor used my research here: http://bernardgaynor.com.au/ncat-deputy-president-has-questions-to-answer/	Aug 25 16:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bernardgaynor.com.au \| NCAT Deputy President has questions to answer \| Bernard Gaynor [ http://ur1.ca/njv2r ]		Aug 25 16:12
MinceR	RT is hardly a reliable source in this matter, though	Aug 25 16:12
hojuruku	It's world news Mincer, what agency do you want the same news from?	Aug 25 16:13
oiaohm	hojuruku: please note the important side Australian law does not tollerate vilgalnity actions of any form. It is design to drop a ton of bricks on anyone who trys that.	Aug 25 16:13
MinceR	one that doesn't have trying to make such countries seem worse than they really are on its agenda (in order to try and make russia's human rights abuses look better)	Aug 25 16:14
hojuruku	yeah A FOI is a vigilianty action? It was a precursor to a private prosecution.	Aug 25 16:14
hojuruku	The Police saying doing a FOI to investigate a corrupt cop can get you charged with 60c nsw crimes act, obtain true personal information on a law enforcement officer - 5 years jail, 100% conviction rate, 100% death in custody no case law.	Aug 25 16:14
oiaohm	FOI are not to get information for private prosecution. But publishing that information before you have done private prosecution can be.	Aug 25 16:14
hojuruku	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWeotGNzBNw	Aug 25 16:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Topher, Luke & Geoff McKee expose 60C NSW Crimes Act thought crime - judicial and police corruption - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/njv3v ]		Aug 25 16:15
oiaohm	hojuruku: this is why I am saying see a lawyer.	Aug 25 16:15
hojuruku	no i didn't publish any information, I did a FOI that's it.	Aug 25 16:15
hojuruku	no lawyer has experience with 60c. there is no case law.	Aug 25 16:15
oiaohm	Even talking about a possible future case before the courts have seen it outside legal councle office can be problems.	Aug 25 16:16
MinceR	hojuruku: are you in australia?	Aug 25 16:17
oiaohm	Australia has no free speech clauses in any law.	Aug 25 16:17
oiaohm	Todo a criminal prosecution you don't require	Aug 25 16:20
hojuruku	I'm a UNHCR confirmed poltical refugee from Australia in HK BEFORE SNODEN! http://bit.ly/ausrefugee	Aug 25 16:20
oiaohm	"obtain true personal information on a law enforcement officer"	Aug 25 16:20
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hojuruku	60c nsw crimes act, google it it's a real law.	Aug 25 16:20
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hojuruku	Because my father linked to a truthnews.com.au video critiziing the gay marriage activist baby rapists... so now the OTO is working with Garry to say that Truthnews.com.au is horrible for critizing baby rape.	Aug 25 16:34
oiaohm	And presuming stuff without correct evidence can get you done under Australian law.	Aug 25 16:34
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hojuruku	i wasn't in Australian jurisdiction since 2007 :P	Aug 25 16:34
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oiaohm	If you are Australian cit it does not matter where you are Australian law applies hojuruku	Aug 25 16:35
hojuruku	they think the internet is their jurisdiction, i haven't been operating under their jursdiction so all their arrest warrants for critising corrupt officers online blogged overseas is protected by the US first amendment.	Aug 25 16:35
hojuruku	so american's can be extradited for critizing Australian pedophiles too?	Aug 25 16:35
oiaohm	If they are dual cit yes.	Aug 25 16:36
hojuruku	Do you think Australia will fight for the reputation of their convicted in US courts child fuckers that hard? search "Mark J Newtown" or "Peter Truong" on bop.gov's inmate finder.. 38 years to go for those gay child fuckers.	Aug 25 16:36
oiaohm	And what they are saying is not backed by evidence or has distrupted an australian invenstagion.	Aug 25 16:36
oiaohm	In fact disruption of Australian investigation due to treaty can be used against any USA cit.	Aug 25 16:37
oiaohm	Just dual cit is simpler because USA due process can be skipped.	Aug 25 16:38
hojuruku	https://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/gay-dads-baby-rape-victims-photo-used-on-gay-activists-blog?replies=4#post-2452463	Aug 25 16:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.forums.wordpress.com \| Gay Dads' Baby Rape Victim's photo used on Gay activists blog.... « WordPress.com Forums [ http://ur1.ca/njvdz ]		Aug 25 16:40
hojuruku	WORDPRESS SUPPORTS GAY KIDDY FUCK	Aug 25 16:40
hojuruku	You must not criitze gay activists using photos of rape victims on their blogs!	Aug 25 16:40
oiaohm	To be correct using photos of victims on blogs in most countries is illegal.	Aug 25 16:40
oiaohm	This is victims of any crime.	Aug 25 16:41
oiaohm	Publishing a uncensored photo of an accused criminal is only possible 1 if they are unkown, 2 they are on the run, 3 they have been prosecuted.	Aug 25 16:44
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cubexyz	oiaohm, since limiting firefox to 50% cpu my entire system feels more responsive	Aug 25 16:46
oiaohm	hojuruku: you think about it in 18 years time do you think the rape victim will want the photo turning up. Laws exist to protect victims from stupid reporters.	Aug 25 16:47
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oiaohm	cubexyz: the thing I find interesting is debian iceweasel does not seam to have firefox I eat cpu problem.	Aug 25 16:48
cubexyz	oiaohm, iceweasel will still use 100% cpu if you let it	Aug 25 16:49
oiaohm	cubexyz: my iceweasel barely crosses 10 percent.	Aug 25 16:49
oiaohm	And that is with 60 tabs open.	Aug 25 16:49
cubexyz	which cpu?	Aug 25 16:49
oiaohm	AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 260 Processor note 10 percent when up at 2000mhz	Aug 25 16:51
cubexyz	so more than one core then	Aug 25 16:51
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oiaohm	Yep dual core.	Aug 25 16:52
oiaohm	cubexyz: I forgot you might be running some old single core beast.	Aug 25 16:52
cubexyz	oiaohm, now you're thinking :)	Aug 25 16:53
oiaohm	cubexyz: what beast are you running.	Aug 25 16:53
cubexyz	a bunch of p3's and a pentium 4	Aug 25 16:53
__martin__	again corporate press hypocrisy... drop the kernel's 24th anniversary and supplant it with some bogus win95 two decade anniv. // who dafuq gives a damn bout that (Q)DOS successor in 2k15 [quick 'n dirty operating system]	Aug 25 16:53
oiaohm	cubexyz: Ok stuff I would say here meet sledge hammer.	Aug 25 16:54
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oiaohm	cubexyz: or if I am feeling really creavite take to a mine and have a block of explosve put in drive bay.	Aug 25 16:55
oiaohm	Me and old computers are not a good combination.	Aug 25 16:56
cubexyz	oiaohm, think about trichloroethylene for a moment	Aug 25 16:56
cubexyz	or pollution caused by chip fabrication	Aug 25 16:56
cubexyz	using old computers is logical	Aug 25 16:57
oiaohm	Not exactly.	Aug 25 16:57
oiaohm	Those odd chips are not power effective.	Aug 25 16:57
cubexyz	you said it yourself, the cooler the CPU the longer the system will last	Aug 25 16:58
__martin__	also.. not that it really surprises me https://thestack.com/cloud/2015/08/20/uk-government-signs-new-deal-with-oracle/	Aug 25 16:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thestack.com \| UK government signs new deal with Oracle [ http://ur1.ca/njvlw ]		Aug 25 16:58
__martin__	>> will “deliver additional savings for the taxpayer.” << [sic]	Aug 25 16:59
cubexyz	it's just we've all been conditioned to want new shiny things all the time	Aug 25 16:59
cubexyz	it's bogus	Aug 25 16:59
oiaohm	cubexyz: there is a reason why I like explosve over putting in dump.	Aug 25 16:59
cubexyz	how many motherboards would you say you've used since 1990?	Aug 25 16:59
oiaohm	cubexyz: use the right explosve chemicals like trichloroethylene are processed.	Aug 25 16:59
cubexyz	ok, how about acetone, arsenic, arsine, benzene, cadium?	Aug 25 17:00
cubexyz	how about hydrochloric acid or methyl chloroform?	Aug 25 17:01
oiaohm	cubexyz: the mines I dispose of them at are gold mines.	Aug 25 17:02
oiaohm	Those other things are general on site things.	Aug 25 17:03
cubexyz	or how about just making computers more repairable and upgradeable rather than disposable	Aug 25 17:03
oiaohm	Yes I would like to see more repairable.	Aug 25 17:03
oiaohm	But even repairable you still have to have good disposal path for broken like I do.	Aug 25 17:04
oiaohm	__martin__: still does not stop UK Met going forwards with migration to Postgresql.	Aug 25 17:04
cubexyz	I was thinking about the manufacturing process more than the disposal process	Aug 25 17:05
oiaohm	__martin__: also that Oracle deal does not say what Oracle database. Remember mysql is Oracle product.	Aug 25 17:05
cubexyz	oiaohm, you still wouldn't want those chemicals in your watertable	Aug 25 17:06
oiaohm	Gold mines have cyinde pits. cubexyz	Aug 25 17:06
cubexyz	cyanide?	Aug 25 17:07
cubexyz	I'd say gold mining is a huge polluter all by itself	Aug 25 17:07
oiaohm	Yep cyanide as it one of the few chemical that can disolve gold.	Aug 25 17:07
cubexyz	open-pit mining and cyanide heap leaching	Aug 25 17:08
oiaohm	Again it depends on the country.	Aug 25 17:08
oiaohm	Australian regulations for gold mines is quite strict.	Aug 25 17:09
oiaohm	Funny thing when you say gold mine most people think they only mine gold.	Aug 25 17:10
cubexyz	I've heard open pit mining creates 20 tons of toxic waste for every 0.333 ounces of gold	Aug 25 17:10
oiaohm	Not exactly true.	Aug 25 17:10
oiaohm	There are recycing processors that you use the same ton of toxic material over and over again.	Aug 25 17:11
cubexyz	you don't want Battlefield Earth to happen in real life :)	Aug 25 17:11
oiaohm	http://www.industry.gov.au/resource/Documents/LPSDP/LPSDP-CyanideHandbook.pdf	Aug 25 17:12
oiaohm	Yes there is a offical mandated process in Australia cubexyz	Aug 25 17:12
oiaohm	So we don't have the 20 tons to give 333 ounces of gold.	Aug 25 17:12
oiaohm	Its more like 1 ton of waste to 400 tons of gold.	Aug 25 17:13
oiaohm	Of toxic waste.	Aug 25 17:13
cubexyz	400 tons of gold? :)	Aug 25 17:13
cubexyz	that would be pretty efficient	Aug 25 17:14
oiaohm	There have been some very rich vanes of gold and the toxic waste product from gold mining has been moved from mine to mine to mine.	Aug 25 17:14
cubexyz	too bad we don't have fusion capability	Aug 25 17:14
oiaohm	So some gold mine in Australia are using 120 year old cyanide.	Aug 25 17:15
cubexyz	I just don't understand the resistance to making a computer last a long time	Aug 25 17:15
cubexyz	at the very least, I'm conserving materials	Aug 25 17:15
oiaohm	So recycling in gold extraction is not a new process cubexyz	Aug 25 17:16
cubexyz	what percentage of computers do you figure get recycled?	Aug 25 17:16
hojuruku	https://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/gay-dads-baby-rape-victims-photo-used-on-gay-activists-blog?replies=14#post-2452498	Aug 25 17:16
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oiaohm	cubexyz: Less than 10 percent properly.	Aug 25 17:16
hojuruku	wordpress says you can't report photos of rape victims identifying gay dads baby rape victims kids photos if famous gay activists are using rape victims as poster boys for gay marriage...	Aug 25 17:16
oiaohm	cubexyz: I did have the stats somewhere on the percentage of comptuer properly recycled.	Aug 25 17:20
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://ifixit.org/blog/4662/snapshot-of-worldwide-electronics-recycling-2013/ here from 2013.	Aug 25 17:21
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oiaohm	cubexyz: the calculated guess for world wide from 2013 is only 10 percent and that super dreadful.	Aug 25 17:22
oiaohm	cubexyz: all the toxic metals in a computer really should be recycled.	Aug 25 17:22
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msb__	Damn! hojuruku has gone. I wanted to ask him why he wanted to identify this "baby-raper" as being a "gay activist". What does one have to do with the other?	Aug 25 17:33
msb__	From all his repetition here it seems that he does dislike gay people.	Aug 25 17:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SteamOS Brewmaster 2.30 Brings a New Linux	Aug 25 17:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why systemd Linux containers make sense	Aug 25 17:42
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cubexyz	not more systemd talk	Aug 25 17:51
cubexyz	who will free me from this turbulent systemd?	Aug 25 17:52
MinceR	dunno	Aug 25 17:52
MinceR	most likely it will take an entire community	Aug 25 17:52
cubexyz	I was going to tell oiaohm that 43% of the world's gold is used in electronics	Aug 25 17:54
cubexyz	you also need hydrochloric acid to remove the gold from electronics	Aug 25 17:55
cubexyz	hence more pollution	Aug 25 17:55
msb__	Is hydrochloric acid really a pollutant? Neither element is particularly toxic.	Aug 25 17:56
cubexyz	msb__, highly corrosive	Aug 25 17:57
cubexyz	you don't want that in the watertable	Aug 25 17:57
msb__	Until it's diluted. Like in your _stomach_.	Aug 25 17:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Dying Light Crashes on Linux After Latest	Aug 25 17:58
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cubexyz	except we're talking about stuff like the animals who drink the water	Aug 25 17:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Feral Interactive Buys More AMD Hardware to	Aug 25 17:58
TweetTuxMachines	Optimize Linux Games http://t.co/MxGnGU5dfm	Aug 25 17:58
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cubexyz	so aquatic organisms would be harmed by it or killed	Aug 25 17:59
msb__	You could dump it in the ocean, which is already full of hydrogen and chloride ions.	Aug 25 17:59
cubexyz	dermal contact would be nasty also	Aug 25 18:00
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msb__	Until it's diluted!	Aug 25 18:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How Linux was born, as told by Linus Torvalds	Aug 25 18:00
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msb__	There are lots of really toxic industrial byproducts, but I don't think HCl is one of them.	Aug 25 18:01
msb__	cubexyz: As to using old computers, I think the thing to do is about every 8 years buy (build) a new one of the inexpensive state-of-the-art. That way you can view current and future media formats, and use current and future software. And since it's only once every 8 years, you're only putting out a small amount of waste yearly.	Aug 25 18:16
msb__	Compared to fools who buy a new machine every 2 or 3 years to keep up with MS-Windows horrors, you're down in the noise.	Aug 25 18:17
cubexyz	msb__, sounds reasonable	Aug 25 18:22
cubexyz	although I've gone rather beyond 8 years	Aug 25 18:22
msb__	cubexyz: Have you ever thought about collecting discarded computers from businesses that are buying new ones, putting Linux on them and giving them to kids (or schools)?	Aug 25 18:22
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6505976	Aug 25 18:23
schestowitz	"USC is very bad to use and this is a great fail for canonical because they push it as they try to make money by adding paid content but the took bad decisions. In USC you have to choose content one by one and install them one by one, this is stupid you can’t have a basket to put things and install or download at once like previous application center this way is more commercial, then they shutdown ubuntu one, they released buggy unfinished	Aug 25 18:23
schestowitz	ubuntu phone os with no software for ubuntu. But i’m still using xubuntu."	Aug 25 18:23
cubexyz	I'm not sure schools even want p3's	Aug 25 18:23
cubexyz	but I could be wrong	Aug 25 18:23
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cubexyz	I did some experiments with 486's and linux	Aug 25 18:24
msb__	I'll bet kids who don't have any computer would want one. Especially with lots of good free software on it.	Aug 25 18:24
cubexyz	a lot of people who visit my lab are curious about my amiga	Aug 25 18:25
msb__	That's a professional-quality machine!	Aug 25 18:25
cubexyz	it's got a 30 year old CRT that works :)	Aug 25 18:26
cubexyz	the very first model	Aug 25 18:26
cubexyz	but I'm one of the few who appreciates the older computers	Aug 25 18:27
cubexyz	a kid today wouldn't want to use a TRS-80 or a C64	Aug 25 18:27
msb__	I'm on my second flat-screen now.	Aug 25 18:27
cubexyz	my oldest LCD is 13 years old	Aug 25 18:28
cubexyz	wait, no that's wrong	Aug 25 18:28
cubexyz	I've got an LCD watch from the 1980s	Aug 25 18:28
cubexyz	some VFD's from the 1980s also	Aug 25 18:29
cubexyz	EIZO Flexscan LCD was 1998	Aug 25 18:30
cubexyz	that's the oldest LCD monitor I know of	Aug 25 18:30
msb__	There are lots of kids living barely above homelessness level. And there will be more. I'll bet some of them would use a trs80 or c64 if it works with their tv and they could program it in basic.	Aug 25 18:31
cubexyz	eused in Toronto is selling P4's with Ubuntu for $20	Aug 25 18:32
cubexyz	yeah I know of some folks who don't have internet access	Aug 25 18:32
msb__	$20 is great!	Aug 25 18:33
cubexyz	Lenovo duo core PC for $59	Aug 25 18:33
msb__	Just the experience of writing code in basic, and seeing it make a spiral on the screen, is amazing!	Aug 25 18:33
msb__	$59 new?	Aug 25 18:34
cubexyz	probably used	Aug 25 18:34
cubexyz	the store is called eused after all	Aug 25 18:34
cubexyz	it's mind boggling what gets tossed out	Aug 25 18:35
msb__	So I guess they're making a little money at it - great!	Aug 25 18:35
msb__	And the parts are so standardized that you can probably make two good ones from every three junkers.	Aug 25 18:36
cubexyz	they sell used digital cameras too	Aug 25 18:36
cubexyz	even the used store doesn't sell P3's lol	Aug 25 18:37
msb__	Getting kids into Linux -- that's a great social good!	Aug 25 18:38
cubexyz	there's definitely more of that now	Aug 25 18:39
cubexyz	I remember in the late 1980s early 1990s there were a few Xenix hobbyists	Aug 25 18:39
cubexyz	oh yeah they also had laptops for $59	Aug 25 18:40
msb__	1. giving them a good opportunity to exercise their minds 2. introducing them to technology 3. Getting them into the Linux / FOSS culture.	Aug 25 18:40
cubexyz	younger folks seem more into Android than straight linux	Aug 25 18:41
msb__	They could run wires out the windows and share a single $20/month net connection among several families.	Aug 25 18:41
cubexyz	there are mesh networks	Aug 25 18:42
msb__	Yep!	Aug 25 18:42
msb__	Not just for poor African villages anymore!	Aug 25 18:42
cubexyz	even mesh netowrks using solar power	Aug 25 18:43
msb__	They're into android because of cellphones. Give them a Linux computer that they can program in C, BASIC, bash, etc., and they can do a lot more.	Aug 25 18:45
msb__	Python, Ruby, ...	Aug 25 18:45
cubexyz	I gave mwm a new look with antialiased fonts	Aug 25 18:46
msb__	Computers don't use much electricity, so just plug them into the wall socket. That way they can use them at night.	Aug 25 18:46
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/mwm-with-antialiased-fonts.png	Aug 25 18:46
cubexyz	except for xterm at least	Aug 25 18:47
cubexyz	of course some history is in order	Aug 25 18:48
cubexyz	the evolution of the shell itself is interesting	Aug 25 18:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How Linux was born, as told by Linus Torvalds	Aug 25 18:48
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msb__	cubexyz: Nice desktop!	Aug 25 18:49
cubexyz	ha, thanks	Aug 25 18:49
msb__	I save all these files you put out. Have about 45 of them.	Aug 25 18:50
msb__	They'll be worth money some day!	Aug 25 18:50
cubexyz	one can combine mwm with vdesk and ta da, it has virtual desktop ability	Aug 25 18:50
cubexyz	in fact vdesk only works right with window managers that don't have virtual desktops	Aug 25 18:51
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cubexyz	I thought this one was good for a chuckle:	Aug 25 18:52
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/mwm-desktop-of-the-future.png	Aug 25 18:52
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/new-desktop-better-than-windows-10.png	Aug 25 18:53
msb__	Still needs the steering-wheel, but very nice.	Aug 25 18:54
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msb__	http://cosmicpenguin.com/images/pc_of_future.jpg	Aug 25 18:54
cubexyz	that's about how old the typical Fortran programmer is now :)	Aug 25 18:55
msb__	A smart kid would love a computer that can put up that desktop!	Aug 25 18:56
msb__	No distracting bling, just the real deal!	Aug 25 18:57
cubexyz	with teletype and Fortran language the computer will be easy to use :)	Aug 25 18:57
cubexyz	fortunately my computer is a little more modern than that	Aug 25 18:58
msb__	Shit, my first fortran programming was with a card punch.	Aug 25 18:58
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/new-york-1999.jpg	Aug 25 19:03
msb__	You could put 60 books on programming and Unix in pdf and chm form on the kid's computer for free. I have them all, but they're probably still in bt.	Aug 25 19:03
MinceR	> quick question, systemd is suppose to be fast, right? I just did a fresh install of deb8.1 on a machine (my first time using systemd) and it's	Aug 25 19:03
MinceR	taking longer than 5 minutes to reboot o.O	Aug 25 19:03
MinceR	so fast!	Aug 25 19:03
cubexyz	MinceR, do I look like a systemd person?	Aug 25 19:04
cubexyz	now really	Aug 25 19:04
XRevan86	MinceR: Tell him to do systemd-analyze plot > plot.svg	Aug 25 19:04
MinceR	cubexyz: no	Aug 25 19:04
XRevan86	That will get an SVG with boot process so one can look what makes it boot longer.	Aug 25 19:04
msb__	cubexyz: NYC - cute!	Aug 25 19:05
msb__	One reason I like the movie Working Girl so much is it shows the WTC about five different times.	Aug 25 19:06
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/simple-programming-examples-v5.txt	Aug 25 19:06
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cubexyz	I do v5, not systemd :)	Aug 25 19:07
cubexyz	I'm like the opposite of a systemd guy	Aug 25 19:07
msb__	good stuff!	Aug 25 19:07
cubexyz	you want hangman for v5? :)	Aug 25 19:08
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/hangman-v5.c	Aug 25 19:08
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MJoyce2244/status/636230420758163456	Aug 25 19:09
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cubexyz	msb__, I think one of the big different differences between the folks today and the old unix people is that they _had_ to hack to get anything done	Aug 25 19:10
msb__	No thanks. I wrote a nice Tetris for pcdos and used to play that a lot. I should do it for Linux as my first graphic program.	Aug 25 19:11
msb__	Anything you think of now, somebody has already done it.	Aug 25 19:11
XRevan86	There are a lot of things nobody had done already :(	Aug 25 19:13
msb__	I mean in software.	Aug 25 19:13
MinceR	yeah, i have yet to find a free rss/atom reader that can deal with a _large_ amount of feed items in its database	Aug 25 19:14
MinceR	everyone just makes an inefficient sql db, adds functionality to delete old items and calls it a day	Aug 25 19:14
XRevan86	msb__: In software.	Aug 25 19:14
MinceR	there's also no web browser that avoids web bloat but warns the user that unsupported content exists in the page	Aug 25 19:14
cubexyz	a lot of stuff exists in closed source form	Aug 25 19:15
MinceR	(so you can check it in a more bloated browser if you're missing out on something)	Aug 25 19:15
cubexyz	cpulimit --limit-50 --exe=firefox	Aug 25 19:16
cubexyz	that helped me a lot	Aug 25 19:16
XRevan86	http://boingboing.net/2015/08/10/windows-10.html	Aug 25 19:16
XRevan86	You hate your children? Windows 10 is exactly for you! (we hate your children too)	Aug 25 19:17
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cubexyz	creepy	Aug 25 19:17
msb__	OK, if I want to port my PCDOS C code for Tetris to Linux, what should I use (to run in X). qt uses C++, which I hate. GTK?	Aug 25 19:18
cubexyz	but you could always check the history	Aug 25 19:18
cubexyz	msb__, SDL maybe since it's a game you want fast	Aug 25 19:18
cubexyz	the Loki folks started that	Aug 25 19:19
msb__	Please give a link. There are 6 SDLs in wiki.	Aug 25 19:19
cubexyz	http://www.libsdl.org	Aug 25 19:20
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XRevan86	msb__: Still use C++/Qt.	Aug 25 19:21
XRevan86	Qt: so good even Linus chooses it.	Aug 25 19:22
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cubexyz	ksirtet	Aug 25 19:23
cubexyz	it's been done	Aug 25 19:23
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MinceR	windows stasi edition	Aug 25 19:24
XRevan86	(Linus is a C++ hater)	Aug 25 19:24
cubexyz	you can still program in straight C for QT I think	Aug 25 19:24
msb__	cubexyz: Thanks but that SDL might be overkill. My tetris was plenty fast on my 8088 pc.	Aug 25 19:24
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msb__	I want it to run in an X window, and be a simple port.	Aug 25 19:25
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msb__	Is gtk difficult to use?	Aug 25 19:26
cubexyz	not really	Aug 25 19:26
XRevan86	cubexyz: With libfm probably	Aug 25 19:26
msb__	libfm?	Aug 25 19:27
MinceR	linus also chose fedora with systemd	Aug 25 19:27
MinceR	so not a good source as such	Aug 25 19:27
XRevan86	and a MacBook…	Aug 25 19:27
XRevan86	Still, he hates C++.	Aug 25 19:27
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XRevan86	and tried to write on Gtk	Aug 25 19:28
cubexyz	msb__, you could look at the source code for ksirtet since you like KDE3	Aug 25 19:28
cubexyz	get you started anyway	Aug 25 19:28
XRevan86	cubexyz: Yeah, library of pcmanfm	Aug 25 19:28
MinceR	hating c++ is also not an indication of good taste	Aug 25 19:28
msb__	what is pcmanfm?	Aug 25 19:28
XRevan86	https://github.com/lxde/libfm	Aug 25 19:28
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cubexyz	file manager	Aug 25 19:28
MinceR	but at least he tries to keep the garbage out of the kernel	Aug 25 19:28
XRevan86	MinceR: He managed to choose C++/Qt anyway, because Gtk sucks.	Aug 25 19:29
cubexyz	what's wrong with GTK?	Aug 25 19:29
cubexyz	it couldn't suck that much if firefox uses it	Aug 25 19:29
msb__	I already wrote my own tetris in c for pcdos. I want to adapt that.	Aug 25 19:29
MinceR	GTK is controlled by gnome people	Aug 25 19:29
XRevan86	cubexyz: Unresponsive developers.	Aug 25 19:30
MinceR	they've added CSD support it and are apparently trying to remove gimp support	Aug 25 19:30
msb__	Could they put a curse on me?	Aug 25 19:30
XRevan86	GNOME developers	Aug 25 19:30
MinceR	granted, even Qt has CSD support	Aug 25 19:30
msb__	confederate states of dixie?	Aug 25 19:30
MinceR	client-side decorations	Aug 25 19:30
MinceR	one of the design flaws that makes windows a total pain in the ass to use	Aug 25 19:31
MinceR	naturally, it had to be adopted in wayland	Aug 25 19:31
cubexyz	msb__, I was just thinking it might be interesting to look at some of the KDE games	Aug 25 19:31
cubexyz	just to get one started with KDE programming	Aug 25 19:32
XRevan86	People say C++ is ugly but C++/Qt is so much simpler and prettier than C/Gtk is.	Aug 25 19:32
MinceR	people who don't understand c++ and are therefore scared of it say it is ugly	Aug 25 19:32
MinceR	and then they go on and try to do OOP in c, resulting in a disaster	Aug 25 19:32
cubexyz	some of the C++ stuff is a mess though	Aug 25 19:33
cubexyz	if you've ever had the chance to look at some of the commercial games source code	Aug 25 19:33
cubexyz	some of the standard template library wasn't at all portable	Aug 25 19:34
msb__	29KB of C code, full of carriage-returns. And it uses qsort, apparently to sort scores. I don't remember it even having scores.	Aug 25 19:41
cubexyz	some of the KDE games were fun though	Aug 25 19:41
cubexyz	msb__, dare I ask which compiler?	Aug 25 19:41
msb__	ms or borland, I forget	Aug 25 19:42
cubexyz	KDE folks had a habit of spelling things backwards	Aug 25 19:42
msb__	I remember that with MS C you had to turn off all optimizations. Otherwise it would do things like gratuitously dividing by zero.	Aug 25 19:45
schestowitz	jgay: sorry about that troll earlier, these are rare but used to be common about 7 years ago	Aug 25 19:48
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jgay	schestowitz no worries, nothing that a simple block on a user can't fix for me :-)	Aug 25 20:18
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DaemonFC	Hmmm. Stocks are still taking a beating.	Aug 25 21:04
DaemonFC	There was a rally this morning that brought the Dow from 15,882 to 16,312, but then there was another massive sell-off that brought it down to 15,651. Right after a bunch of news articles about the rally ending the three day beating.	Aug 25 21:05
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/636283334633631745	Aug 25 22:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz Never understood why Jim does what he does. First met him at ApacheCon in London 2000.		Aug 25 22:10
schestowitz	Zemlin	Aug 25 22:10
schestowitz	yes, he also invited Ramji (Microsoft mole)	Aug 25 22:10
schestowitz	My best guess is, members that are close to Microsoft (SUSE, Nokia, Intel) encourage him to do this	Aug 25 22:10
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msb__	firefox has quit responding. The windows won't redraw. Is there some signal I can send to it?	Aug 25 22:22
MinceR	SIGTERM, SIGHUP, SIGINT, SIGQUIT, SIGKILL	Aug 25 22:23
msb__	which of those will refresh it?	Aug 25 22:23
MinceR	neither	Aug 25 22:27
MinceR	i think it's frozen	Aug 25 22:27
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*Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org \| Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell		Aug 26 00:54
*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012		Aug 26 00:54
MinceR	do i need to grow new mitochondria?	Aug 26 01:00
cubexyz	they say that mitochondrial dysfunction is the primary cause of age-related decline	Aug 26 01:16
cubexyz	e.g. a 90-year old man had 95% damaged mitochrondria	Aug 26 01:17
DaemonFC	I'm trying not to do anything to speed up the aging process.	Aug 26 01:18
cubexyz	so yeah there's talk about PQQ	Aug 26 01:19
DaemonFC	I don't smoke. I try to get 8 hours of sleep every night. I try not to get myself into stressful situations.	Aug 26 01:19
cubexyz	I'd try it	Aug 26 01:19
cubexyz	too much mitochondrial damage and it's like you got systemd inside your body :)	Aug 26 01:20
cubexyz	the "impulse to exercise declines with age also	Aug 26 01:21
cubexyz	e.g. older mice won't run on the wheel as much	Aug 26 01:22
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MinceR	ic	Aug 26 01:40
MinceR	http://st.hzcdn.com/simgs/3ff1338a007b13c1_8-6292/home-design.jpg	Aug 26 02:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Kernel 4.2 RC8 Arrives in Ubuntu 15.10,	Aug 26 02:36
TweetTuxMachines	Breaks the AMD Catalyst Driver	Aug 26 02:36
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/HihIwiPGXJ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 02:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk1ms	Aug 26 02:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Kernel 4.2 RC8 Arrives in Ubuntu 15.10, Breaks the AMD Catalyst Driver \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 02:36
msb__	http://www.rt.com/politics/313391-russia-charas-wikipedia-ban/	Aug 26 03:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com \| Russian watchdog cancels Wikipedia ban over cannabis entry — RT Russian politics [ http://ur1.ca/nk238 ]		Aug 26 03:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Media player adds high-end analog audio and XLR	Aug 26 07:28
TweetTuxMachines	out http://t.co/dSInaZScr9	Aug 26 07:28
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 07:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk4dh	Aug 26 07:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Media player adds high-end analog audio and XLR out \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 07:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Puppy Linux's Sister Quirky 7.1 Distro Arrives	Aug 26 07:28
TweetTuxMachines	with Tools for Android App Developers	Aug 26 07:28
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/gp9i6lHVtj (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 07:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk4di	Aug 26 07:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Puppy Linux's Sister Quirky 7.1 Distro Arrives with Tools for Android App Developers \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 07:28
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/RamiSilawi/status/636325462239674368	Aug 26 07:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamiSilawi: @schestowitz thanks for the #RT :)		Aug 26 07:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/nilecoy/status/636344730050101248	Aug 26 07:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@nilecoy: @schestowitz you're a smart guy, is this as scary and horrible as I'm interpreting it to be? https://t.co/6AAph5k077		Aug 26 07:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.federalregister.gov \| Federal Register \| Equipment Authorization and Electronic Labeling for Wireless Devices		Aug 26 07:36
schestowitz	I think it makes worse what's already done anyway	Aug 26 07:36
msb__	schestowitz: What's that going to do? Allow the govt to track people via their wifi?	Aug 26 07:43
msb__	People who've done nothing wrong have nothing to worry about. But what if the government has done something wrong?	Aug 26 07:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/6RL5UIO0xk	Aug 26 07:45
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 07:45
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TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz	Aug 26 07:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk4hu	Aug 26 07:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Puppy Linux's Sister Quirky 7.1 Distro Arrives	Aug 26 07:45
TweetTuxMachines	with Tools for Android App Developers	Aug 26 07:45
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TKbHMZIp0O (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 26 07:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk4j1	Aug 26 07:45
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Media player adds high-end analog audio and XLR	Aug 26 07:53
TweetTuxMachines	out http://t.co/w8zFPqxd5N (linuxgizmos.com)	Aug 26 07:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Media player adds high-end analog audio and XLR out · LinuxGizmos.com		Aug 26 07:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk4m3	Aug 26 07:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Kernel 4.2 RC8 Arrives in Ubuntu 15.10,	Aug 26 07:53
TweetTuxMachines	Breaks the AMD Catalyst Driver	Aug 26 07:53
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/BtzatrgrND (linux.softpedia.com)	Aug 26 07:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk4m4	Aug 26 07:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Linux Kernel 4.2 RC8 Arrives in Ubuntu 15.10, Breaks the AMD Catalyst Driver - Softpedia		Aug 26 07:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-6 Is Almost Done, but BQ	Aug 26 07:53
TweetTuxMachines	Aquaris Users Must Wait Until Next Week	Aug 26 07:53
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ZW1RD64KiS (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 26 07:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk4m5	Aug 26 07:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Touch OTA-6 Is Almost Done, but BQ Aquaris Users Must Wait Until Next Week - Softpedia		Aug 26 07:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Exclusive First Look at Falldown, a Fast-Paced	Aug 26 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	and Addictive Game for Ubuntu Touch	Aug 26 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/rrCJyfzwMA (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 26 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk4op	Aug 26 08:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Exclusive First Look at Falldown, a Fast-Paced and Addictive Game for Ubuntu Touch - Softpedia		Aug 26 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation starts security vetting	Aug 26 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	program for FOSS http://t.co/DAK8n4oC13	Aug 26 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	(www.itnews.com.au)	Aug 26 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk4oq	Aug 26 08:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itnews.com.au \| Linux Foundation starts security vetting program for FOSS - Security - Software - News - iTnews.com.au		Aug 26 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ubuntu "viewer for documents created with the	Aug 26 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	open-source LibreOffice office suite."	Aug 26 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/aT4z9W3mcl (linux.softpedia.com)	Aug 26 08:01
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk4or	Aug 26 08:01
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*TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi retweeted @tuxmachines: 'ubuntu "viewer for documents created with the open-source...'		Aug 26 08:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GStreamer 1.6 Open Source Multimedia Backend	Aug 26 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	Gets Closer to Release, Here's What's New	Aug 26 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/L9yLTMaigx (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 26 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk50n	Aug 26 08:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| GStreamer 1.6 Open Source Multimedia Backend Gets Closer to Release, Here's What's New - Softpedia		Aug 26 08:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Knoppix 7.4: whom is it for?	Aug 26 08:45
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/iWTc0CFhp6 (linuxblog.darkduck.com)	Aug 26 08:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxblog.darkduck.com \| Knoppix 7.4: whom is it for? - Linux notes from DarkDuck		Aug 26 08:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk54f	Aug 26 08:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kronometer 2.0 released http://t.co/tMx81X9D99	Aug 26 08:46
TweetTuxMachines	(www.aelog.org)	Aug 26 08:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk54g	Aug 26 08:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.aelog.org \| Kronometer 2.0 released \| aelog		Aug 26 08:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "This September a bunch of KDE developers, me	Aug 26 08:46
TweetTuxMachines	included, will gather for a week in Randa,	Aug 26 08:46
TweetTuxMachines	Switzerland" https://t.co/6mXy7eehdw	Aug 26 08:46
TweetTuxMachines	(albertvaka.wordpress.com)	Aug 26 08:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-albertvaka.wordpress.com \| Mobile development sprint in Randa: KDE Connect, and more! \| Albert Vaca's blog		Aug 26 08:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk54h	Aug 26 08:46
*TweetTuxMachines @kdecommunity favourited '"This September a bunch of KDE developers, me...'		Aug 26 08:46
*TweetTuxMachines @JRepin favourited '"This September a bunch of KDE developers, me...'		Aug 26 08:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines linux 4.2 to be released in 5 days	Aug 26 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/6cR6F9MOD5 (linuxg.net)	Aug 26 08:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net \| Kernel 4.2 RC8 Has Been Released, The Final Version Is Excepted To Arrive Next Monday \| LinuxG.net		Aug 26 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How Open Source Is Improving The Way Businesses	Aug 26 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	Visualize Data http://t.co/6fFtTlzhwi	Aug 26 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk576	Aug 26 08:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How Open Source Is Improving The Way Businesses Visualize Data \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Leftovers http://t.co/Lq1F5syNgN	Aug 26 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 08:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Knoppix 7.4: whom is it for?	Aug 26 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/VT6lw8bWuT (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk578	Aug 26 08:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Knoppix 7.4: whom is it for? \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Here's How Ubuntu Touch's LibreOffice Document	Aug 26 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	Viewer App Looks Like http://t.co/SN75polcN7	Aug 26 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk57b	Aug 26 08:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Here's How Ubuntu Touch's LibreOffice Document Viewer App Looks Like \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE, Randa, and Post-Akademy	Aug 26 09:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/WQa2kIxEEJ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 09:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk5jg	Aug 26 09:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDE, Randa, and Post-Akademy \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 09:32
*TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Here's How Ubuntu Touch's LibreOffice Document Viewer App...'		Aug 26 09:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Message to LinuxCon Regarding Microsoft	Aug 26 10:10
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by http://t.co/vwqJSBhH8E (techrights.org)	Aug 26 10:10
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz	Aug 26 10:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk5jn	Aug 26 10:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Message to LinuxCon Regarding Microsoft: “It is Necessary to Get Behind Someone in Order to Stab Them in the Back.” -Sir Humphrey Appleby \| Techrights		Aug 26 10:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 25/8/2015: Linux Kernel 4.2 Final RC, KDE	Aug 26 10:10
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Ships Plasma 5.4.0 http://t.co/9sZP30ULAL	Aug 26 10:10
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz (techrights.org)	Aug 26 10:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk5w8	Aug 26 10:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 25/8/2015: Linux Kernel 4.2 Final RC, KDE Ships Plasma 5.4.0 \| Techrights		Aug 26 10:10
cubexyz	don't worry, Microsoft is on the way out	Aug 26 10:19
cubexyz	their operating income is down, so is their net income	Aug 26 10:19
cubexyz	and their total equity is down	Aug 26 10:20
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507488	Aug 26 10:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Even though #Debian has moved to #systemd as default a long while ago now, I've stayed with sysv" http://k1024.org/~iustin/blog/entry/finally-systemd/		Aug 26 10:20
schestowitz	"	Aug 26 10:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> k1024.org \| Finally, systemd! [ http://ur1.ca/nk602 ]		Aug 26 10:20
schestowitz	This quote is from a blog about migrating to systemd. According to it it was fairly simple.	Aug 26 10:20
schestowitz	The final note from it:	Aug 26 10:20
schestowitz	P.S.: the sad part is that usually I’m a strong proponent of declarative configuration, but for some reason I was reluctant to migrate to systemd also on account on losing the “power” of shell scripts. Humans…	Aug 26 10:20
schestowitz	"	Aug 26 10:20
schestowitz	cubexyz: yes, on its way out for a while now	Aug 26 10:20
schestowitz	"but then he changed his mind. :("	Aug 26 10:21
schestowitz	cubexyz: remember when they has Windows Mobile?	Aug 26 10:21
schestowitz	It had a not-so-bad share of the market	Aug 26 10:21
schestowitz	same in servers, to some degree	Aug 26 10:21
schestowitz	UNIX becomes GNU/Linux now, and MS is struggling to attract workloads to Windows	Aug 26 10:21
cubexyz	Google made all the right moves, mostly	Aug 26 10:22
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6508620	Aug 26 10:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: How #Linux was born, as told by Linus #Torvalds himself http://arstechnica.co.uk/business/2015/08/how-linux-was-born-as-told-by-linus-torvalds-himself/ http://opensource.com/life/15/8/happy-24th-birthday-linux-kernel http://www.itproportal.com/2015/08/25/24-years-young-best-of-linux-yet-to-come/		Aug 26 10:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> arstechnica.co.uk \| How Linux was born, as told by Linus Torvalds himself \| Ars Technica UK [ http://ur1.ca/nk60v ]		Aug 26 10:22
schestowitz	"Bunk. Linus wrote a kernel and any kind of os he wrote isn’t in use today. We have GNU / Linux."	Aug 26 10:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> opensource.com \| Celebrating 24 years since Linus Torvalds announced Linux \| Opensource.com [ http://ur1.ca/njwm8 ]		Aug 26 10:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.itproportal.com \| 24 years young: The best of Linux is yet to come \| ITProPortal.com [ http://ur1.ca/nk60w ]		Aug 26 10:22
schestowitz	Let's maintain the illusion it all started in 1991.	Aug 26 10:22
cubexyz	chromebooks will finally KO Microsoft	Aug 26 10:23
cubexyz	the history of Unix is well documented	Aug 26 10:23
schestowitz	already are	Aug 26 10:23
schestowitz	!google chromebooks more than windows laptops	Aug 26 10:23
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Chromebooks vs. Windows 10 Laptops: What Should You Buy? \| http://blog.laptopmag.com/chromebooks-vs-windows	Aug 26 10:23
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Should I Buy a Chromebook? Buying Guide and Advice \| http://blog.laptopmag.com/chromebook-buying-advice	Aug 26 10:23
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Chromebook vs. Windows Laptops: The Real Story \| http://chromebookvswindows.com/	Aug 26 10:23
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Microsoft To Counter Chromebooks with $169 Windows 10 Laptop ... \| http://www.omgchrome.com/microsoft-windows-10-chromebook-strategy/	Aug 26 10:23
schestowitz	spammy	Aug 26 10:24
schestowitz	!google chromebooks outsell windows laptops	Aug 26 10:24
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - NPD: Chromebooks outsell Windows laptops \| ZDNet \| http://www.zdnet.com/article/npd-chromebooks-outsell-windows-laptops/	Aug 26 10:24
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Chromebooks Just Outsold Windows Laptops For ... - OMG! Chrome! \| http://www.omgchrome.com/chromebooks-outsell-windows-notebooks-for-first-time/	Aug 26 10:24
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Chromebooks spank Windows \| Computerworld \| http://www.computerworld.com/article/2871664/chromebooks-spank-windows.html	Aug 26 10:24
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - NPD: Chromebooks outsell Windows laptops in B2B - OSNews \| http://www.osnews.com/story/28781/NPD_Chromebooks_outsell_Windows_laptops_in_B2B	Aug 26 10:24
schestowitz	did you notice that?	Aug 26 10:24
cubexyz	doesn't surprise me	Aug 26 10:25
cubexyz	the only thing that surprised me was how long it took	Aug 26 10:25
cubexyz	there were a bunch of antecedents...	Aug 26 10:25
cubexyz	BeOS on Toshiba (squashed by Microsoft of course)	Aug 26 10:26
cubexyz	Prentice Hall was selling Minix in 1994	Aug 26 10:26
cubexyz	Microsoft just has a bad vibe now, not just among Unix types but the general public	Aug 26 10:27
cubexyz	when my customers started buying chromebooks I took notice	Aug 26 10:27
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507342	Aug 26 10:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Imposing the use of #windows at schools a little similar (to use another domain) forcing students to buy and drink Coca Cola™		Aug 26 10:27
schestowitz	"I think it’s the case with many proprietary programs: indoctrinate the young/make them dependent on your company’s products, which happen to be incompatible with others."	Aug 26 10:28
schestowitz	"	Aug 26 10:28
schestowitz	I think parents that understand the difference need to be very vocal. If your kid comes home and tells you that they have to use word for homework then get in touch with the teacher and explain why that is unreasonable.	Aug 26 10:28
schestowitz	There is a lot of work to be done in the school system to allow the use of Free Software.	Aug 26 10:28
schestowitz	"	Aug 26 10:28
cubexyz	Microsoft indoctrinated _programmers_	Aug 26 10:28
cubexyz	that's how the mess started	Aug 26 10:28
schestowitz	This point has been made before, but in a corrupt system where corruption has been nornalised things are too slow to change	Aug 26 10:28
schestowitz	normalised	Aug 26 10:29
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/636468795876474880	Aug 26 10:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: exciting... #EPO https://t.co/DAURpWLxlD		Aug 26 10:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: A growing culture of whistleblowers and awareness of mass #surveillance is going to thwart the #epo - #techrights has much coming...		Aug 26 10:29
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cubexyz	I mean it's stupid to assume that Microsoft is going to rule forver	Aug 26 10:31
cubexyz	this correction is way overdue	Aug 26 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/ZY5vGjTOCn	Aug 26 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 10:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz	Aug 26 10:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk60s	Aug 26 10:40
cubexyz	people got sick of the Microsoftian choice:	Aug 26 10:41
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/microchoice.txt	Aug 26 10:41
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/eddyrogerparker/status/636473391168548864	Aug 26 10:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@eddyrogerparker: @schestowitz @nytimes The New York Times seems to have once again lost track. It reminds me of its role in the build up to the Iraq War.		Aug 26 10:45
__martin__	according to github c#'s rate of interest is now higher among coders than good 'ol unixy c	Aug 26 11:10
__martin__	google rewritten their c internals within go afaict	Aug 26 11:11
__martin__	here there exists even wug near college campus	Aug 26 11:12
cubexyz	uh I don't know any Linux/BSD person who uses C#	Aug 26 11:12
__martin__	for more precise indoctrination	Aug 26 11:12
__martin__	btw	Aug 26 11:12
__martin__	since monday's stock crash, mr. gates lost 3.2bn $$ at least	Aug 26 11:13
__martin__	(less bucks for his urine and poop > drink & food co.)	Aug 26 11:14
__martin__	maybe time to invest into gmo algae instead of oil derived pvc shit..	Aug 26 11:15
cubexyz	Pike and Thompson weren't too fond of C++ thus Go was made	Aug 26 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Collabora contributions to Linux Kernel 4.2	Aug 26 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by http://t.co/C3osG0aUgO (padovan.org)	Aug 26 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	@asoliverez	Aug 26 11:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-padovan.org \| Collabora contributions to Linux Kernel 4.2 \| Gustavo Padovan		Aug 26 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk6if	Aug 26 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Libinput 1.0 Officially Released	Aug 26 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TALx7SrMio (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk6ih	Aug 26 11:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Libinput 1.0 Officially Released \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Happy Birthday Linux, Thank you Linus	Aug 26 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/z2zoSDA6Zm (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 11:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk6ij	Aug 26 11:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Happy Birthday Linux, Thank you Linus \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 11:16
__martin__	there is a big scandal in slovakia atm	Aug 26 11:18
__martin__	with soil wagering / land grab	Aug 26 11:19
__martin__	for jaguar's new car-plant	Aug 26 11:19
__martin__	& toxic waste leakage into freshwater reserves near capital city	Aug 26 11:20
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/morvjn/status/636483107458260992	Aug 26 11:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@morvjn: @schestowitz Microsoft Germany has their own dedicated team to wrest Munich away from Linux		Aug 26 11:21
schestowitz	__martin__: does this relate to tech?	Aug 26 11:21
schestowitz	[11:13] <__martin__> since monday's stock crash, mr. gates lost 3.2bn $$ at least	Aug 26 11:21
schestowitz	I don't worry about him...	Aug 26 11:22
schestowitz	Some people, however, might lose their job	Aug 26 11:22
schestowitz	If their bosses or employers had much invested in stocks	Aug 26 11:22
__martin__	quite right	Aug 26 11:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Munich is not considering ditching Linux and	Aug 26 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	going back to Windows http://t.co/lAioAgkQJH	Aug 26 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.ocsmag.com) http://t.co/PB59nLQafL	Aug 26 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org) http://t.co/7Nef0JPwd5	Aug 26 11:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ocsmag.com \| No, Munich is not considering ditching Linux and going back to Windows \| OCS-Mag		Aug 26 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Aug 26 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk6la	Aug 26 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Libinput 1.0 Officially Released	Aug 26 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/7xrzDZWcQM (www.phoronix.com)	Aug 26 11:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk6lc	Aug 26 11:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Letter Signed by Two German Officials Becomes a Microsoft Weapon of Propaganda \| Techrights		Aug 26 11:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Sabine Pfeiler and Otto Seidl Should Take Note as Russia — Like China — is in the Process of Banning Microsoft Windows for Security Reasons \| Techrights		Aug 26 11:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Libinput 1.0 Officially Released - Phoronix		Aug 26 11:24
schestowitz	old?new?	Aug 26 11:40
schestowitz	http://phk.freebsd.dk/sagas/jails.html	Aug 26 11:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-phk.freebsd.dk \| Jails – High value but shitty Virtualization — PHKs Bikeshed		Aug 26 11:40
schestowitz	no date stamp	Aug 26 11:40
schestowitz	>	Aug 26 11:53
schestowitz	> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/how-linux-was-born-as-told-by-linus-torvalds-himself/	Aug 26 11:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| How Linux was born, as told by Linus Torvalds himself \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/nk6v8 ]		Aug 26 11:54
schestowitz	>	Aug 26 11:54
schestowitz	> Overshadowed by news about a version of MS-DOS. Planning for the 25th	Aug 26 11:54
schestowitz	> needs to start now. I hope the Linux Foundation is on top of that.	Aug 26 11:54
schestowitz	My concern is that this helps distract from FSF 30. More revisionism giving credit to a Finnish lad in 1991. The more it goes on, the stronger the history rewrite becomes and harder it is to challenge.	Aug 26 11:54
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Munich is not considering ditching Linux and going...'		Aug 26 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-6 Is Almost Done, but BQ	Aug 26 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	Aquaris Users Must Wait Until Next Week	Aug 26 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ZW1RD64KiS (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 26 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Tpz5psw2E9 (linuxg.net)	Aug 26 11:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Touch OTA-6 Is Almost Done, but BQ Aquaris Users Must Wait Until Next Week - Softpedia		Aug 26 11:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk6x2	Aug 26 11:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net \| Ubuntu Touch OTA-6 Update May Be Released By The End Of The Week \| LinuxG.net		Aug 26 11:59
schestowitz	[10:31] <cubexyz> I mean it's stupid to assume that Microsoft is going to rule forver	Aug 26 12:00
schestowitz	Nothing rules forever	Aug 26 12:00
schestowitz	But Microsoft did a lot of damage for at least two decades	Aug 26 12:01
schestowitz	since I was a teen, maybe before	Aug 26 12:01
schestowitz	I was upset at them even when I was young	Aug 26 12:01
schestowitz	they killed IT and make it all "Windows" and "Microsoft"	Aug 26 12:01
schestowitz	Destroyed anything resembling diversity and competition	Aug 26 12:02
schestowitz	IT starts getting exciting again	Aug 26 12:02
schestowitz	Many languages to choose from, many stacks	Aug 26 12:02
schestowitz	[07:43] <msb__> schestowitz: What's that going to do? Allow the govt to track people via their wifi?	Aug 26 12:02
schestowitz	Ye	Aug 26 12:02
schestowitz	Yes	Aug 26 12:02
schestowitz	but they can already guess to some extent	Aug 26 12:02
schestowitz	and those who do criminal things aren't going to surrender to some regulation, they'll just work around that anyway	Aug 26 12:03
schestowitz	so the target of it is not crime per se	Aug 26 12:03
schestowitz	many dissent	Aug 26 12:03
msb__	People who have done nothing wrong have nothing to fear from the Surveillance State. But what if the government has done something wrong?	Aug 26 12:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines No, Munich is not considering ditching Linux	Aug 26 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	and going back to Windows	Aug 26 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/CIMWRamcAx (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk6z5	Aug 26 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| No, Munich is not considering ditching Linux and going back to Windows \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-6 Is Almost Done, but BQ	Aug 26 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	Aquaris Users Must Wait Until Next Week	Aug 26 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/KfnKLwfdTt (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk6z6	Aug 26 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Touch OTA-6 Is Almost Done, but BQ Aquaris Users Must Wait Until Next Week \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Umeå University computer club supports open	Aug 26 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	source http://t.co/vwrESMQQ3S	Aug 26 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Umeå University computer club supports open source \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 12:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk6z7	Aug 26 12:05
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msb__	"People who have done nothing wrong have nothing to fear from the Surveillance State." But what if the government has done something wrong?	Aug 26 12:08
schestowitz	msb__: depends who is running the government and who it is accountable to/for	Aug 26 12:08
msb__	A surveillance state is not accountable to anyone.	Aug 26 12:09
msb__	It uses self-perpetuating psychopath behavior.	Aug 26 12:09
schestowitz	but it's allowed to expand when the public hasn't a say	Aug 26 12:10
schestowitz	or the public misled into accepting it	Aug 26 12:10
msb__	Yes.	Aug 26 12:10
msb__	Whichever warlord or clique is in power uses the surveillance to stay in power.	Aug 26 12:11
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6511274	Aug 26 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@harryhaller@nerdpol.ch: Lots of Reasons to Avoid #Windows 10 - Goodbye, Microsoft® - http://www.goodbyemicrosoft.net/news.php?item.797.3 - Section 7b of Microsoft's Services EULA (under “Updates to the Services or Software, and Changes to These Terms”) warns users that Windows 10 “may automatically check your version of the software and download software updates or configuration changes, including those that prevent you from accessing		Aug 26 12:11
schestowitz	"Lots of Reasons to Avoid #Windows 10 - Goodbye, Microsoft® - http://www.goodbyemicrosoft.net/news.php?item.797.3 - Section 7b of Microsoft’s Services EULA (under “Updates to the Services or Software, and Changes to These Terms”) warns users that Windows 10 “may automatically check your version of the software and download software updates or configuration changes, including those that prevent you from accessing the services,	Aug 26 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.goodbyemicrosoft.net \| Lots of Reasons to Avoid Windows 10 - Goodbye, Microsoft® [ http://ur1.ca/nk71j ]		Aug 26 12:11
schestowitz	playing counterfeit games, or using unauthorized hardware peripheral devices.” via Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊) #w10 #microsoft"	Aug 26 12:11
msb__	No one can live without violating some law.	Aug 26 12:12
msb__	And Microsoft or the State will, for any individual, find the law they have broken.	Aug 26 12:13
msb__	But Microsoft is a State that people can choose to reject. I think Microsoft has killed itself with the Windows 10 surveillance.	Aug 26 12:15
msb__	Psychopaths often take one step too far, and their facade cracks.	Aug 26 12:17
msb__	Their power goes to their head, and they think they can get away with anything.	Aug 26 12:19
msb__	But they have a distorted vision of reality. Ultimately, evil really is stupid.	Aug 26 12:21
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cubexyz	people were starting to say that Microsoft was dead back in 2007	Aug 26 13:04
cubexyz	it's simply a bigger pain in the butt to deal with windows than linux	Aug 26 13:05
cubexyz	simple as that	Aug 26 13:05
cubexyz	I didn't need any reasons beyond what I said before.. main reason was closed source OS, drivers, applications etc	Aug 26 13:06
cubexyz	all the other crap is just icing on the cake	Aug 26 13:06
cubexyz	Google was very smart about the chromebooks	Aug 26 13:07
cubexyz	I don't agree with the idea of all applications living on the web, but that is partially the case	Aug 26 13:08
cubexyz	gmail, google search, blogger, google docs	Aug 26 13:09
cubexyz	you can easily live without microsoft now	Aug 26 13:10
cubexyz	I know Microsoft does crappy things all the time	Aug 26 13:10
cubexyz	on the Linux side they made some mistakes, although not as bad as the mistakes Microsoft made	Aug 26 13:12
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/636512278448349184	Aug 26 13:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz At any family dinner all phones have batteries removed and placed in fridge.		Aug 26 13:17
cubexyz	in 1995 the old compaq contract with Microsoft was ridiculous	Aug 26 13:20
cubexyz	basically compaq had to pay microsoft $500 for each customer system	Aug 26 13:20
cubexyz	then Compaq had to agree to employ a support techician who had completed the Microsoft Certified Professional program for backoffice (at Compaq's expense of course)	Aug 26 13:21
cubexyz	Vanwensveen wrote a length about Microsoft's early crimes	Aug 26 13:24
cubexyz	it's actually even worse than I thought!	Aug 26 13:25
cubexyz	they weren't just stealing time on a PDP-10 but also on a Xerox computer!	Aug 26 13:25
cubexyz	then Gates lies about have a BASIC interpreter for the Altair	Aug 26 13:26
cubexyz	http://www.slated.org/antitrust/www.vanwensveen.nl/IhateMS.pdf	Aug 26 13:27
cubexyz	not to mention dumpster diving to get code for said BASIC interpreter	Aug 26 13:28
cubexyz	some folks even say Gates was expelled for stealing computer time	Aug 26 13:32
oiaohm	No documentation of expelled.	Aug 26 13:33
cubexyz	Harvard got DARPA funding	Aug 26 13:33
oiaohm	Of course he did not complete his course that does leave a lot of question.	Aug 26 13:33
cubexyz	oiaohm, Microsoft even sued their first customer MITS	Aug 26 13:34
cubexyz	over the rights of 8080 BASIC	Aug 26 13:35
MinceR	> People who have done nothing wrong have nothing to fear from the Surveillance State.	Aug 26 13:36
MinceR	i think they do	Aug 26 13:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft Aggression Against GNU/Linux Amid	Aug 26 13:37
TweetTuxMachines	Vista 10's Failure http://t.co/tLrvKeIPCT	Aug 26 13:37
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Aug 26 13:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk7uq	Aug 26 13:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Microsoft Aggression Against GNU/Linux Amid Vista 10′s Failure \| Techrights		Aug 26 13:37
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schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/people/da68a1f811b0f71e	Aug 26 14:05
schestowitz	"heh, classical double-spending attack then"	Aug 26 14:05
schestowitz	It's very upsetting. No response yet to my report of the problem.	Aug 26 14:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Munich is not considering ditching Linux and	Aug 26 14:13
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by going back to Windows http://t.co/lAioAgkQJH	Aug 26 14:13
TweetTuxMachines	@Messgorough (www.ocsmag.com) http://t.co/PB59nLQafL	Aug 26 14:13
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org) http://t.co/7Nef0JPwd5	Aug 26 14:13
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Aug 26 14:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk87v	Aug 26 14:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ocsmag.com \| No, Munich is not considering ditching Linux and going back to Windows \| OCS-Mag		Aug 26 14:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Letter Signed by Two German Officials Becomes a Microsoft Weapon of Propaganda \| Techrights		Aug 26 14:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft-connected Mesosphere Threatens to	Aug 26 14:13
TweetTuxMachines	Eliminate Free Software in the Datacentre	Aug 26 14:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/BkFB7eNoCU (techrights.org)	Aug 26 14:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Sabine Pfeiler and Otto Seidl Should Take Note as Russia — Like China — is in the Process of Banning Microsoft Windows for Security Reasons \| Techrights		Aug 26 14:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nk87w	Aug 26 14:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Microsoft-connected Mesosphere Threatens to Eliminate Free Software in the Datacentre \| Techrights		Aug 26 14:14
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*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012		Aug 26 18:18
schestowitz	indeed, but in the middle of Town?	Aug 26 18:24
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/myhermes/status/636574171988946945	Aug 26 18:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@myhermes: @schestowitz Good afternoon, please can you DM us with your accounts email address so we can look into this for you. Kind regards, Greg.		Aug 26 18:25
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MinceR	msb__: agreed on both counts	Aug 26 18:56
msb__	MinceR: Now I want you to understand that people are born wanting to be free, and loving freedom. It's only after years of lying propaganda and emotional trauma that some give up and want to be told what to do.	Aug 26 18:57
MinceR	i wonder about that	Aug 26 18:59
MinceR	according to The Blank Slate, humans are instinctually predisposed for some horribe behavior	Aug 26 18:59
MinceR	but there are a lot of civilizing influences in modern civilization already	Aug 26 19:00
MinceR	just not enough	Aug 26 19:00
MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/6NiDIbO.jpg	Aug 26 19:00
msb__	Blank slate is BS. People are born Alive and Conscious!	Aug 26 19:01
msb__	http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/182194	Aug 26 19:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.poetryfoundation.org \| Invictus by William Ernest Henley : The Poetry Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/nkb81 ]		Aug 26 19:02
msb__	please read that	Aug 26 19:02
MinceR	you haven't even read it, have you? :>	Aug 26 19:02
msb__	about six times	Aug 26 19:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Munich is not considering ditching Linux and	Aug 26 19:03
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by going back to Windows http://t.co/lAioAgkQJH	Aug 26 19:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tecknocrat (www.ocsmag.com) http://t.co/PB59nLQafL	Aug 26 19:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ocsmag.com \| No, Munich is not considering ditching Linux and going back to Windows \| OCS-Mag		Aug 26 19:03
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org) http://t.co/7Nef0JPwd5	Aug 26 19:03
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Aug 26 19:03
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*TweetTuxMachines @jjfffffkk followed @tuxmachines		Aug 26 19:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Letter Signed by Two German Officials Becomes a Microsoft Weapon of Propaganda \| Techrights		Aug 26 19:03
msb__	I'd forgotten about it, but it's the theme of Star Trek Renegades.	Aug 26 19:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Sabine Pfeiler and Otto Seidl Should Take Note as Russia — Like China — is in the Process of Banning Microsoft Windows for Security Reasons \| Techrights		Aug 26 19:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft-connected Mesosphere Threatens to	Aug 26 19:04
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Eliminate Free Software in the Datacentre	Aug 26 19:04
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz http://t.co/BkFB7eNoCU (techrights.org)	Aug 26 19:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Microsoft-connected Mesosphere Threatens to Eliminate Free Software in the Datacentre \| Techrights		Aug 26 19:04
msb__	firefox froze on me again!	Aug 26 19:04
msb__	MinceR: There is a spirit of organic life. We are all born with it.	Aug 26 19:05
msb__	We feel it as pleasure, and strength.	Aug 26 19:06
MinceR	what we feel as pleasure is what we've evolved to reward ourselves for	Aug 26 19:06
msb__	...and friendship, and the desire to help others	Aug 26 19:06
msb__	Sorry, but you've been brainwashed by mechanistic scientism.	Aug 26 19:08
MinceR	there are darker aspects of human nature	Aug 26 19:08
msb__	Yes, which appear if we are traumatized.	Aug 26 19:08
msb__	They are defense mechanisms.	Aug 26 19:08
msb__	You are very pessimistic. You don't have to be.	Aug 26 19:09
msb__	You've learned it from a bad environment, but you can find the good stuff.	Aug 26 19:10
msb__	Have you read The Chalice and the Blade?	Aug 26 19:10
MinceR	not yet	Aug 26 19:10
MinceR	i've bookmarked your list of books for later reading, though	Aug 26 19:11
msb__	Please do. It proves that the current psychopathy and predation in our culture is not from human nature.	Aug 26 19:11
msb__	It is a disease.	Aug 26 19:11
msb__	Humanity did not have that disease about six thousand (IIRC) years ago.	Aug 26 19:12
msb__	We're like fish living in a poisoned lake and thinking that being sick is our nature, when it's actually from the poison.	Aug 26 19:13
DaemonFC	http://www.hakspek.com/security/updates-make-windows-7-and-8-spy-on-you-like-windows-10/	Aug 26 19:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hakspek.com \| Updates Make Windows 7 and 8 Spy On You Like Windows 10 [ http://ur1.ca/nkbdy ]		Aug 26 19:14
msb__	I don't know how old you are, but I'm nearly 70 and I lived during the 1960s renaissance in the US.	Aug 26 19:15
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msb__	People got free then, from the music, cannabis, books about consciousness and psychedelics. We stopped the Vietnam War!	Aug 26 19:16
MinceR	mechanistic? no, reductionistic :)	Aug 26 19:20
msb__	Both!	Aug 26 19:28
*TweetTuxMachines @TechJournalist favourited 'Microsoft-connected Mesosphere Threatens to Eliminate Free Software in...'		Aug 26 19:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Here's why the iPhone isn't going to catch up	Aug 26 19:35
TweetTuxMachines	to Android any time soon http://t.co/JVP44Bvidg	Aug 26 19:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com \| Global smartphone sales slow, Android retains 81% share to 2019: IDC - Business Insider		Aug 26 19:35
TweetTuxMachines	(www.businessinsider.com)	Aug 26 19:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ‘Father of Android’ Andy Rubin Joins Lineup for	Aug 26 19:35
TweetTuxMachines	October’s Code/Mobile http://t.co/pvHnwWkmQO	Aug 26 19:35
TweetTuxMachines	(recode.net)	Aug 26 19:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-recode.net \| Android Co-Founder Andy Rubin Joins Lineup for October’s Code/Mobile \| Re/code		Aug 26 19:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkbne	Aug 26 19:35
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DaemonFC	http://www.zdnet.com/product/samsung-galaxy-note-5/	Aug 26 19:50
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DaemonFC	I liked the part where you could jam the S-pen in backwards with no resistance, and then it's impossible to remove it without breaking the phone.	Aug 26 19:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Teradata Extends Commitment to SUSE Linux	Aug 26 19:50
TweetTuxMachines	Enterprise http://t.co/wbk9CRMc85	Aug 26 19:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.prnewswire.com \| Teradata Extends Commitment to SUSE Linux Enterprise -- NUREMBERG, Germany, Aug. 26, 2015		Aug 26 19:50
TweetTuxMachines	(www.prnewswire.com)	Aug 26 19:50
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkbv3	Aug 26 19:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Sable is a superb all-in-one PC from System76,	Aug 26 19:50
TweetTuxMachines	and you can now purchase one at a $50	Aug 26 19:50
TweetTuxMachines	discount." http://t.co/ipnxDYZyYs	Aug 26 19:50
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Aug 26 19:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Superb Ubuntu-Powered Sable from System76 Has a $50 Discount - Softpedia		Aug 26 19:50
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkbv4	Aug 26 19:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 1 in 4 Games on Steam Now Has Linux Support	Aug 26 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/IvTMqEOZxK (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 26 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkbv6	Aug 26 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| 1 in 4 Games on Steam Now Has Linux Support - Softpedia		Aug 26 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How to find out if your PC is compatible with	Aug 26 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	Linux http://t.co/ZSLYdIagmF (www.pcworld.com)	Aug 26 20:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com \| How to find out if your PC is compatible with Linux \| PCWorld		Aug 26 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkc5g	Aug 26 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Most people don't really realize that they	Aug 26 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	have Linux and they do not really care"	Aug 26 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/hjm94OrC4X (www.techrepublic.com)	Aug 26 20:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techrepublic.com \| Here's the one 'major problem' facing Munich after switching from Windows to Linux - TechRepublic		Aug 26 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkc5h	Aug 26 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LibreOffice 5.0.1 to Feature Improved Rendering	Aug 26 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	When Scrolling http://t.co/aDpzoTralU	Aug 26 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkc5j	Aug 26 20:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| LibreOffice 5.0.1 to Feature Improved Rendering When Scrolling \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ReadySpace Achieves Red Hat Cloud and Service	Aug 26 20:16
TweetTuxMachines	Provider Certification http://t.co/EROnERU30L	Aug 26 20:16
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 20:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| ReadySpace Achieves Red Hat Cloud and Service Provider Certification \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 20:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Superb Ubuntu-Powered Sable from System76 Has a	Aug 26 20:16
TweetTuxMachines	$50 Discount http://t.co/wZes7wqxel	Aug 26 20:16
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 20:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkc6y	Aug 26 20:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Superb Ubuntu-Powered Sable from System76 Has a $50 Discount \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 20:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How to find out if your PC is compatible with	Aug 26 20:16
TweetTuxMachines	Linux http://t.co/81jo2ZeIhH	Aug 26 20:16
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 20:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkc70	Aug 26 20:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How to find out if your PC is compatible with Linux \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 20:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Here's the one 'major problem' facing Munich	Aug 26 20:16
TweetTuxMachines	after switching from Windows to Linux	Aug 26 20:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/tZny2fsDhD (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 20:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkc71	Aug 26 20:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Here's the one 'major problem' facing Munich after switching from Windows to Linux \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 20:16
*TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Superb Ubuntu-Powered Sable from System76 Has a $50...'		Aug 26 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How open source will power tomorrow’s tech	Aug 26 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	unicorns http://t.co/CQBKXoKOCx	Aug 26 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.information-age.com)	Aug 26 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkc9f	Aug 26 20:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.information-age.com \| How open source will power tomorrow’s tech unicorns \| Information Age		Aug 26 20:23
abeNd-org	mmm nessus	Aug 26 20:41
abeNd-org	i need to get lan based agent scanning going, that would be so freaking cool..	Aug 26 20:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft Aggression Against GNU/Linux Amid	Aug 26 21:11
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Vista 10's Failure http://t.co/tLrvKeIPCT	Aug 26 21:11
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz (techrights.org)	Aug 26 21:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Microsoft Aggression Against GNU/Linux Amid Vista 10′s Failure \| Techrights		Aug 26 21:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fixing plasma bugs, visualised	Aug 26 21:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/lETVCrimYb	Aug 26 21:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.davidedmundson.co.uk \| Just another manic monday \| David Edmundson's Web Log		Aug 26 21:11
TweetTuxMachines	(blog.davidedmundson.co.uk)	Aug 26 21:11
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msb__	RT: North Dakota passed law allowing police to use drones armed with tear gas, sound cannons and tasers -- so-called non-lethal weapons, except that tasers have killed dozens of people.	Aug 26 21:14
MinceR	the militarization of police continues	Aug 26 21:16
msb__	US has fake democracy in which only dollars, not votes, matter.	Aug 26 21:17
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MinceR	votes would matter if the citizens cared	Aug 26 21:17
MinceR	they're allowed to vote for "third parties", they just don't want to	Aug 26 21:18
msb__	So if people take to mass demonstrations to exert control over the government, then they are attacked by militarized police.	Aug 26 21:18
MinceR	that's not the only way	Aug 26 21:18
MinceR	also, they could change the constitution the way Larry Lessig writes in Republic Lost	Aug 26 21:18
msb__	In the US system, third parties can never win.	Aug 26 21:18
MinceR	they can, but the playing field is heavily tilted	Aug 26 21:18
MinceR	(probably not as heavily as in hungary, though)	Aug 26 21:19
msb__	MinceR: Most USians are thoroughly embedded in the Matrix and have far less understanding of politics and govt than you do.	Aug 26 21:20
MinceR	which is unfortunate	Aug 26 21:20
msb__	It's purposely designed that way to enable the ruling psychopaths to stay in power.	Aug 26 21:21
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ch_s/status/636633679008264192	Aug 26 21:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ch_s: @schestowitz : tough situation -not sure I have all the information about this but it looks like it. They need to focus on what matters too.		Aug 26 21:21
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/636634694600261632	Aug 26 21:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Might has always made right.		Aug 26 21:24
msb__	MinceR: Edward Bernays explained to the rulers that if they simply repeat their lying propaganda from many different corporate news mouthpieces ("what you tell me three times is true") and if they throw in a little sex and scandal, they can get the citizens to believe and support anything, even invasions of other countries and murders of millions of people.	Aug 26 21:29
MinceR	yet the people often doubt	Aug 26 21:29
msb__	...and impoverishment of themselves	Aug 26 21:29
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MinceR	and they have partisan mouthpieces as examples of "news" telling them something they don't agree with	Aug 26 21:30
MinceR	and we have the internet ...for now, anyway	Aug 26 21:30
msb__	It seems like the rulers have something restraining them from censoring the Internet, youtube, and websites like mine. I can't figure out what it is.	Aug 26 21:32
MinceR	technical ineptitude	Aug 26 21:33
MinceR	also, the internet was originally designed to be resilient and reliable, not a vehicle for censorship	Aug 26 21:33
msb__	If they did it, most people wouldn't care (or even know) and those who did care would be powerless.	Aug 26 21:33
MinceR	also, there's the (at least nominal) belief in freedom of speech in the usa	Aug 26 21:34
msb__	But the backbone fiber lines are run by a few companies, and the govt could tell them what to do.	Aug 26 21:34
MinceR	initiatives to censor the internet can be opposed by groups rounding up allies in the name of freedom of speech	Aug 26 21:35
MinceR	those companies might abhor the extra costs this would cause	Aug 26 21:35
msb__	all the govt has to do is blow off a nuke somewhere in the US and say it was done via the Net.	Aug 26 21:35
MinceR	isp-s seem to prefer to do filtering on the consumer-facing side	Aug 26 21:36
MinceR	and on DNS	Aug 26 21:36
MinceR	perhaps the politicians believe DNS-only blocking is good enough	Aug 26 21:36
MinceR	there still are many people who know you can't blow up a nuke via the net	Aug 26 21:36
msb__	Sure you can. Net, cell-phone, tincan-and-string (well, a very long string).	Aug 26 21:38
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/636636943741231109	Aug 26 21:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz True techies avoid buzzwords.		Aug 26 21:38
schestowitz	the only way to communicate meaningfully	Aug 26 21:38
MinceR	i mean, you'd still need a nuke and that would be the root cause of the explosion	Aug 26 21:39
MinceR	not the net	Aug 26 21:39
msb__	People should know that you can't destroy 3 steel-frame buildings by flying planes into 2 of them. But evidently many still don't know that.	Aug 26 21:39
MinceR	and they're not stupid enough yet to have a public network-based trigger for nukes	Aug 26 21:39
MinceR	that's a totally different story	Aug 26 21:40
msb__	It could be done with a usb thingy and a bash script.	Aug 26 21:41
msb__	and a nuke, of course	Aug 26 21:41
msb__	The US has murdered more than 2M people and destroyed at least 5 nations based on 911. And most people still believe the lies.	Aug 26 21:42
msb__	Well, anyhow, they haven't censored the Net, and haven't killed me and other people with good websites, so I'm glad they're restrained, whatever is restraining them.	Aug 26 21:43
msb__	Maybe it's just that they figure if they make things too miserable in the West then they won't have any place they can live and feel safe in.	Aug 26 21:45
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/636639269474406401	Aug 26 21:46
msb__	There's some evidence they're building tunnels and subterranean cities for themselves but that wouldn't be a pleasant life.	Aug 26 21:46
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ch_s/status/636640429186920448	Aug 26 21:47
schestowitz	Too divisive to help them; see what okcupid did, both sides get upset, Mozilla caught in political mess	Aug 26 21:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz That's why techies are unconvincing. Too much meaning per word is tiring for the bullshite-addicted.		Aug 26 21:48
schestowitz	@ch_s @firefox In a sense, #mozilla chose to make ITSELF a platform on which a political fight is waged. Dumb idea. @BrendanEich	Aug 26 21:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ch_s: @schestowitz : by focus I mean improving @firefox & #FirefoxOS while defining a sustainable business model. No witchhunt will ever help.		Aug 26 21:51
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ch_s/status/636643986275483648	Aug 26 21:59
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ch_s/status/636643986275483648	Aug 26 22:03
schestowitz	"@schestowitz @firefox @BrendanEich : exactly. To me it stems from a lack of focus. See my 2014 post about this: http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2014"	Aug 26 22:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ch_s: @schestowitz @firefox @BrendanEich : exactly. To me it stems from a lack of focus. See my 2014 post about this: http://t.co/eH4EOihVap		Aug 26 22:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> standardsandfreedom.net \| Mozilla, a tale of gentrification \| Moved by Freedom – Powered by Standards		Aug 26 22:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-standardsandfreedom.net \| 2014 \| Moved by Freedom – Powered by Standards [ http://ur1.ca/nkdn0 ]		Aug 26 22:08
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6513174	Aug 26 22:10
schestowitz	"	Aug 26 22:10
schestowitz	Don’t know other countries, but in Banana Republic police officer is the best paid and most respected (due to the badge and gun) profession someone with primary or secondary school education can get.	Aug 26 22:10
schestowitz	So if you do not have confidence in a teen with a gun, a policeman is usually not better.	Aug 26 22:10
schestowitz	"	Aug 26 22:10
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6510474	Aug 26 22:11
schestowitz	"his software is a bit too “round the houses” for me - emacs - other gnu stuff (not from him) gnome, grub - also too much. Person - don’t know him. Foundation - yes. “And all that” = people, websites, distros that agree with floss."	Aug 26 22:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #police is wilfully ignorant about "law enforcement", "the rule of law", "law enforcer" (cop), "justice", etc. They pretend THEY ARE the law		Aug 26 22:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #LinuxFoundation starts security vetting program for FOSS http://www.itnews.com.au/News/408402,linux-foundation-starts-security-vetting-program-for-foss.aspx #linux #security		Aug 26 22:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.itnews.com.au \| Linux Foundation starts security vetting program for FOSS - Security - Software - News - iTnews.com.au [ http://ur1.ca/nkbdj ]		Aug 26 22:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Two new Cyanogen smartphones hit the market:	Aug 26 22:19
TweetTuxMachines	Wileyfox launches Storm and Swift	Aug 26 22:19
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/LHfE1Nh7nM (www.zdnet.com)	Aug 26 22:19
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkdsa	Aug 26 22:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Linux Version Of Dying Light Is Broken	Aug 26 22:19
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/HVDxaIoCNO (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Aug 26 22:19
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkdsc	Aug 26 22:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines #Hearthlands Is Exactly The Type Of	Aug 26 22:19
TweetTuxMachines	City-builder A Lazy Sunday Needs For Linux	Aug 26 22:19
TweetTuxMachines	Gamers http://t.co/x60txHmAHu	Aug 26 22:19
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Aug 26 22:19
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkdsd	Aug 26 22:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Two new Cyanogen smartphones hit the market: Wileyfox launches Storm and Swift \| ZDNet		Aug 26 22:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| The Linux Version Of Dying Light Is Broken \| GamingOnLinux		Aug 26 22:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Hearthlands Is Exactly The Type Of City-builder A Lazy Sunday Needs For Linux Gamers \| GamingOnLinux		Aug 26 22:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Vodafone UK rocks the bloat with demands for	Aug 26 22:21
TweetTuxMachines	vanilla Android http://t.co/ttPMShqTwj	Aug 26 22:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theregister.co.uk)	Aug 26 22:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkdtd	Aug 26 22:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How open source will power tomorrow’s tech	Aug 26 22:21
TweetTuxMachines	unicorns http://t.co/ybmqkyWwN6	Aug 26 22:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 22:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkdtg	Aug 26 22:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Two new Cyanogen smartphones hit the market:	Aug 26 22:21
TweetTuxMachines	Wileyfox launches Storm and Swift	Aug 26 22:21
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/MpuDHmlvuk (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 22:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkdth	Aug 26 22:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Vodafone UK rocks the bloat with demands for vanilla Android • The Register		Aug 26 22:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How open source will power tomorrow’s tech unicorns \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 22:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Two new Cyanogen smartphones hit the market: Wileyfox launches Storm and Swift \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 22:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNU/FSF Links http://t.co/agVvhIIMdJ	Aug 26 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkdz7	Aug 26 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines This free Android app does something awesome	Aug 26 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	that no iPhone can http://t.co/S2ZAQAGDOJ	Aug 26 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	(bgr.com)	Aug 26 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkdz8	Aug 26 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A unique twist on Android for broke college	Aug 26 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	kids http://t.co/fIWn5h9Zhu (www.engadget.com)	Aug 26 22:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkdz9	Aug 26 22:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GNU/FSF Links \| Tux Machines		Aug 26 22:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com \| Vysor for Android: Remote control desktop app for Mac and Windows \| BGR		Aug 26 22:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com \| A unique twist on Android for broke college kids		Aug 26 22:39
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6513012	Aug 26 22:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: "Most people don't really realize that they have Linux and they do not really care" http://www.techrepublic.com/article/heres-the-one-major-problem-facing-munich-after-switching-from-windows-to-linux/		Aug 26 22:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techrepublic.com \| Here's the one 'major problem' facing Munich after switching from Windows to Linux - TechRepublic [ http://ur1.ca/nke6q ]		Aug 26 22:51
schestowitz	"Freedom or slavery ?"	Aug 26 22:51
schestowitz	Not trained to think of these terms	Aug 26 22:51
schestowitz	*in	Aug 26 22:51
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/636656753413787652	Aug 26 22:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz A bit like how Android has been able to tab since ICS or how Apple think they invented the smartwatch..... Samsung wear anyone?		Aug 26 22:53
*DaemonFC wonders what's up with hipsters gentrifying bad beer.		Aug 26 22:57
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cubexyz	went to best buy to look for chromebooks for a customer	Aug 26 23:01
cubexyz	an utter waste of time	Aug 26 23:01
MinceR	i thought all beer was bad	Aug 26 23:01
cubexyz	they had a huge section of windows 10 laptops	Aug 26 23:01
cubexyz	and the sales staff was utterly clueless	Aug 26 23:02
schestowitz	best buy?	Aug 26 23:02
schestowitz	wrong place to look	Aug 26 23:02
schestowitz	!google best buy techrights	Aug 26 23:02
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Microsoft's Latest Anti-GNU/Linux Moves Are Sign of ... - Techrights \| http://techrights.org/2009/09/04/signs-of-agony-at-best-buy/	Aug 26 23:02
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - An Open, Gentler Microsoft: The Best Illusion Only Novell Can Buy ... \| http://techrights.org/2008/05/02/novell-openly-delusional/	Aug 26 23:02
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Dell \| Techrights \| http://techrights.org/category/dell/	Aug 26 23:02
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Links 23/7/2015: New RHEL Release, Capital One ... - Techrights \| http://techrights.org/2015/07/23/new-rhel-release/	Aug 26 23:02
cubexyz	indeed they were	Aug 26 23:02
schestowitz	not good results above	Aug 26 23:02
schestowitz	but I wrote like half a dozen articles about how they helped MSFT attack Linux	Aug 26 23:02
schestowitz	actively	Aug 26 23:02
schestowitz	Amazon isn't too bad for Linux laptops	Aug 26 23:03
schestowitz	or Chromebooks	Aug 26 23:03
schestowitz	But Amazon is evil, I'd never buy from them	Aug 26 23:03
cubexyz	yeah I'm just going to shop online somewhere	Aug 26 23:03
cubexyz	there really isn't any good computer stores around here	Aug 26 23:04
schestowitz	DaemonFC: thanks for the vista10 links above	Aug 26 23:04
schestowitz	what are you looking for specifically and what's the budget for it?	Aug 26 23:04
schestowitz	I wrote about $50 discount at System76 today	Aug 26 23:05
cubexyz	repairable laptop with coreboot would be good	Aug 26 23:05
DaemonFC	cubexyz, Some older Macbooks can be reflashed with Coreboot.	Aug 26 23:05
DaemonFC	Like the 2007 models, I think.	Aug 26 23:06
cubexyz	no embedded controller support	Aug 26 23:07
cubexyz	from what I understand	Aug 26 23:07
DaemonFC	The problem is that people always want too much for older Macs, even the ones that are really old and haven't been supported by Apple in a long time. They have no idea what their stuff is actually worth.	Aug 26 23:08
cubexyz	I'll probably get a Lenovo X200	Aug 26 23:08
cubexyz	or a chromebook	Aug 26 23:08
MinceR	if they had an idea, they would never have bought them in the first place	Aug 26 23:08
DaemonFC	A few years ago, I tried to get a G4 cube just to screw around with, and the guy was demanding like $300 for it.	Aug 26 23:08
DaemonFC	I was like.....Really?	Aug 26 23:08
DaemonFC	He acted really insulted when I offered him $100.	Aug 26 23:09
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cubexyz	depends	Aug 26 23:09
cubexyz	some really old computers don't go for less than $500	Aug 26 23:09
cubexyz	age makes things valuable again	Aug 26 23:09
cubexyz	a working PDP-11 would go for a grand or more	Aug 26 23:10
DaemonFC	Apple also has a long history of not allowing users to install a new release of OS X that actually works on the computer, just to kill it off and get people to buy a new Mac sooner.	Aug 26 23:10
DaemonFC	http://lowendmac.com/2007/unsupported-os-x-10-5-leopard-installation/	Aug 26 23:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lowendmac.com \| Unsupported OS X 10.5 Leopard Installation \| Low End Mac [ http://ur1.ca/nkeet ]		Aug 26 23:10
DaemonFC	Like they did here.	Aug 26 23:11
MinceR	with hypeOS, they prefer to allow installing a new release that the hardware isn't even nearly powerful enough to run :>	Aug 26 23:11
MinceR	without downgrade, of course	Aug 26 23:11
DaemonFC	MinceR, Like iOS 7 on the iPhone 4.	Aug 26 23:11
cubexyz	there's no point in me ever going to these computer stores again	Aug 26 23:12
DaemonFC	The hardware wasn't even close to being good enough to handle it.	Aug 26 23:12
DaemonFC	Practically every function on the phone was slowed down by 25-30%. :)	Aug 26 23:12
DaemonFC	Of course, iPhone hardware isn't even good hardware when it's just been released.	Aug 26 23:12
XFaCE	MinceR: schestowitz https://www.linkedin.com/jobs2/view/69351652	Aug 26 23:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linkedin.com \| Technical Solutions Professional - Mobility at Microsoft in Ottawa, Canada - Job \| LinkedIn [ http://ur1.ca/nkefm ]		Aug 26 23:13
cubexyz	I like panasonic toughbooks	Aug 26 23:13
DaemonFC	1 GB of RAM and 16 GB of storage in 2015? Really?	Aug 26 23:13
DaemonFC	On a $650 phone? Really?	Aug 26 23:13
DaemonFC	:)	Aug 26 23:13
XFaCE	MinceR: schestowitz I think I'm becoming allergic to marketing	Aug 26 23:13
MinceR	lol	Aug 26 23:13
XFaCE	"Cloud computer is one step towards universal computing"	Aug 26 23:13
XFaCE	um	Aug 26 23:13
cubexyz	well I don't know about the $650 part but this computer I'm using now has 256 megs of ram	Aug 26 23:13
MinceR	more like universal surveillance and oppression	Aug 26 23:13
DaemonFC	This computer has 16 GB of RAM.	Aug 26 23:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 5 great new amazing apps for your Android phone	Aug 26 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	or tablet, #4 is incredible	Aug 26 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/oVGpzNaKBx (www.komando.com)	Aug 26 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkeg1	Aug 26 23:14
DaemonFC	I think big. B-)	Aug 26 23:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.komando.com \| 5 great new amazing apps for your Android phone or tablet, #4 is incredible \| Komando.com		Aug 26 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Pintasking brings easy multi-tasking to just	Aug 26 23:14
XFaCE	MinceR: universal draconianism? XD	Aug 26 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	about any Android device http://t.co/KyPqGPbtz1	Aug 26 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	(thenextweb.com)	Aug 26 23:14
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Basic Principles of Security (and Why They	Aug 26 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	Matter) http://t.co/9MDMf6uwhk (www.ocsmag.com)	Aug 26 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	why gnu linux has inherently better security	Aug 26 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkeg8	Aug 26 23:14
DaemonFC	The memory requirements for Windows have actually gone down quite a bit.	Aug 26 23:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ocsmag.com \| The Basic Principles of Security (and Why They Matter) \| OCS-Mag		Aug 26 23:14
cubexyz	ha, I can pick up an X200 for $70	Aug 26 23:14
MinceR	Ba'al: You cannot be serious.	Aug 26 23:14
MinceR	Brigadier General Jack O'Neill: Yes I can. I just choose not to, some of the time.	Aug 26 23:14
MinceR	Ba'al: With your insolence, you are dooming not just your world but all of humanity.	Aug 26 23:14
MinceR	Brigadier General Jack O'Neill: I think big.	Aug 26 23:14
DaemonFC	Any system that could run Vista should run Windows 10.	Aug 26 23:14
DaemonFC	The question is, why would you want to?	Aug 26 23:14
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DaemonFC	The cost to upgrade to 10 would be a good chunk of the cost of a faster computer that already comes with it.	Aug 26 23:15
MinceR	no, they shouldn't	Aug 26 23:15
XFaCE	MinceR: Universal Computing *must be in US	Aug 26 23:15
MinceR	vista10 turns the malware and botnet functionality up to 11	Aug 26 23:15
cubexyz	ha	Aug 26 23:16
DaemonFC	Their first three updates each left a bunch of PCs that couldn't boot after installing them.	Aug 26 23:16
DaemonFC	The quality control is worse than it's ever been, even by Microsoft's standards.	Aug 26 23:16
XFaCE	DaemonFC: When I was running Arch Linux, I had several rolling release upgrades (obv)	Aug 26 23:17
XFaCE	never bricked the system	Aug 26 23:17
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oiaohm	DaemonFC: should is a horrible word when person uses it with out facts. People have already found some drivers from Windows 8.1 8.0 7 and Vista don't work with 10	Aug 26 23:17
XFaCE	fantastic	Aug 26 23:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A unique twist on Android for broke college	Aug 26 23:21
TweetTuxMachines	kids http://t.co/2WRIIJcVP5	Aug 26 23:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 26 23:21
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrendanEich/status/636661521259499520	Aug 26 23:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrendanEich: @ch_s Good piece, "not wrong" but getting OS scaled to non-abusive revenue opp'ty looks very hard. FYI 1000+ Moz heads in 2014. @schestowitz		Aug 26 23:31
schestowitz	XFaCE: I've just looked at the job ad	Aug 26 23:33
schestowitz	Anything special about it?	Aug 26 23:33
schestowitz	[23:13] <XFaCE> MinceR: schestowitz I think I'm becoming allergic to marketing	Aug 26 23:34
schestowitz	!google bill hicks marketing	Aug 26 23:34
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TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Bill Hicks – On Advertisers and Marketing \| Genius \| http://genius.com/Bill-hicks-on-advertisers-and-marketing-annotated	Aug 26 23:34
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - End Evil Quotes: Bill Hicks \| http://www.endevil.com/billhickslines.html	Aug 26 23:34
schestowitz	[23:13] <XFaCE> "Cloud computer is one step towards universal computing"	Aug 26 23:34
schestowitz	Yeah	Aug 26 23:34
schestowitz	IF YOU'RE ON ECSTASY!	Aug 26 23:34
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/636668758577311744	Aug 26 23:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Yeah, "universal computing"... Where all you have is a dumb thin client.		Aug 26 23:37
schestowitz	Also thick client (the person who falls into this "cloud" trap)	Aug 26 23:38
MinceR	:>	Aug 26 23:41
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6513262	Aug 26 23:42
schestowitz	"I swear to crap, if I see one more hooded white dude at a laptop…"	Aug 26 23:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #GitHub combats #DDoS cyberattack http://www.zdnet.com/article/github-combats-ddos-cyberattack/#ftag=RSSbaffb68 "a wide combination of attack vectors" - typical, hard to combat		Aug 26 23:42
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schestowitz	This time, for a CHANGE, it's not Matt Lee	Aug 26 23:42
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/636669573517983744	Aug 26 23:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Even worse: thick enough to contain valuable data but still a slave to the "cloud" overlord.		Aug 26 23:48
oiaohm	DaemonFC: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-au/windows-10/upgrade-install-errors-windows-10 Code 0x800F0923 incompatible driver or software. Yep really helpful that they did not issue 2 error codes.	Aug 26 23:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-windows.microsoft.com \| Get help with Windows 10 upgrade and installation errors - Windows Help [ http://ur1.ca/nkewo ]		Aug 26 23:49
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/636671927407525892	Aug 26 23:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Macolyte: someone who thinks Apple has invented anything.		Aug 26 23:58
MinceR	:>	Aug 26 23:59
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/636672579311239170 https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/636672794814640128	Aug 26 23:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz Remember going to the LinuxCon in Edinburgh. The Tizen people didn't seem to know very much. Or anything.		Aug 26 23:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz Yes. Much control freakery. Not much intellect or knowledge.		Aug 26 23:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE's Plasma 5.4: The most advanced and	Aug 27 00:03
TweetTuxMachines	beautiful Linux desktop http://t.co/m4KMdQTRXl	Aug 27 00:03
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 00:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Leftovers http://t.co/BJunVCxj2q	Aug 27 00:03
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 00:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE's Plasma 5.4: The most advanced and	Aug 27 00:03
TweetTuxMachines	beautiful Linux desktop http://t.co/dKvnMDpfV1	Aug 27 00:03
TweetTuxMachines	(www.itworld.com)	Aug 27 00:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkf2r	Aug 27 00:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com \| KDE's Plasma 5.4: The most advanced and beautiful Linux desktop \| ITworld		Aug 27 00:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Plex Home Theater 1.4.1 updated for Debian/sid	Aug 27 00:51
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/NvdEZT2o5f (www.preining.info)	Aug 27 00:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkfrn	Aug 27 00:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.preining.info \| Plex Home Theater 1.4.1 updated for Debian/sid \| There and back again		Aug 27 00:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How Scotland can protect itself from GCHQ	Aug 27 00:51
TweetTuxMachines	spying by going open source	Aug 27 00:51
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Zfu1FgUs7q (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 00:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How Scotland can protect itself from GCHQ spying by going open source \| Tux Machines		Aug 27 00:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Games http://t.co/ThRRqSqGEF	Aug 27 00:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 00:52
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schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3ii4ym/microsoft_at_linuxcon/	Aug 27 01:19
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schestowitz	"	Aug 27 01:19
schestowitz	“I’ve killed at least two Mac conferences. [...] by injecting Microsoft content into the conference, the conference got shut down. The guy who ran it said, why am I doing this?”	Aug 27 01:19
schestowitz	What the hell, this is an actual quote?	Aug 27 01:19
schestowitz	At enemy conferences you gather intelligence. You go to the enemy sessions, see what they’re saying, talk to people, be nice. Just be super nice. You never say anything rude [...] You can occasionally go up and say, “Hi, this was a really great presentation. Thank you very much for doing it. I had a question about one of these things. You said it would be shipping by when, exactly?” OK. That kind of thing is OK. You’re just	Aug 27 01:19
schestowitz	asking for very general information that anyone else could have asked. But even then it’s better to get somebody...some shill to go up and ask the question for you. I mean, if you’re at a conference like that, hopefully you know some people there. Get them to go ask the question for you, what the hell.	Aug 27 01:19
schestowitz	So at [...] conferences [...] controlled by the enemy vendor, just gather information. At independent conferences, subvert them. Find the people who choose who goes on the agenda and who doesn’t. Send that person all the free software in the world they want. Find out if their kids are in school, find out what school they go to, send them free software; see what kind of car they drive, send them a little keyring with that car’s logo	Aug 27 01:19
schestowitz	on it, you know. Anything, anything. Love those people. Just suck up to them so hard your face collapses. I mean, those people…those people are so valuable to you, it’s beyond belief, because they control who goes on that session or not. At last week’s Macworld expo, I had a session added to the conference agenda called Windows95 Programming for Macintosh Developers. At Macworld! Can you imagine?	Aug 27 01:19
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2009/02/08/microsoft-evilness-galore/	Aug 27 01:19
schestowitz	"	Aug 27 01:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| 66 Pages of Microsoft Evilness \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/ejg20 ]		Aug 27 01:19
schestowitz	"That's what I think. "Join them and hope they go under but use them while we can.""	Aug 27 01:19
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6513751	Aug 27 01:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This headline is a lie http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2015/08/munich-officials-who-dumped-windows-for-linux-want-microsofts-os-back/ it's not the same officials, there's no change of mind, just 2 dissenting voices		Aug 27 01:29
schestowitz	"Yeah. I read the news and the headline is deceiving, but I guess they have to get ad revenue."	Aug 27 01:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.gizmodo.co.uk \| Munich Officials Who Dumped Windows For Linux Want Microsoft's OS Back \| Gizmodo UK [ http://ur1.ca/nkg9j ]		Aug 27 01:29
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6507022	Aug 27 01:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: By trying to warp #MH17 story in some of the most ridiculous of ways, #kremlin ensures that nobody will ever trust any of its words again		Aug 27 01:30
schestowitz	"Russian influence in Brazil is growing as fast as the chinese. This is happenning in all countries of the Foro de SP."	Aug 27 01:30
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/636696435937931264 https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/636696923936825344	Aug 27 01:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: Sadly true & most of the "innovation" promoted by commercial popularizers is neither original nor really beneficial. https://t.co/lsIS3iSBLH		Aug 27 01:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Popularising something or making it widespread mostly a function of how much market clout one already has, not the degree of innovation		Aug 27 01:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: The idea that a relatively weak country can force stronger ones into a war, merely by refusing to disarm itself ! https://t.co/Dsp1GfQ9Xm		Aug 27 01:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The Iran Nuclear Deal: Give Diplomacy a Chance http://t.co/i4B1wLOoO4 #war is for losers		Aug 27 01:37
MinceR	war does tend to have a winner, though	Aug 27 01:39
schestowitz	not even arms manufacturers?	Aug 27 01:39
schestowitz	I guess neither side collectively wins	Aug 27 01:39
schestowitz	but some elements in both sides have something to gain	Aug 27 01:39
schestowitz	politicians in the business of "protecting the people from war they create"	Aug 27 01:40
schestowitz	builders who reconstruct later	Aug 27 01:40
schestowitz	weapons companies	Aug 27 01:40
schestowitz	and so on	Aug 27 01:40
MinceR	indeed, arms manufacturers tend to win	Aug 27 01:40
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 27 01:43
DaemonFC	"takes that long to push the cart past"	Aug 27 01:43
DaemonFC	Sir, this is America. Surely you mean riding the electric scooter carts because you're too obese to walk, while the 90 year old lady has to walk.	Aug 27 01:43
MinceR	lol	Aug 27 01:43
MinceR	at least the lady lives to be 90 years old	Aug 27 01:43
schestowitz	I saw that	Aug 27 01:43
schestowitz	in florida supermarkets	Aug 27 01:43
schestowitz	they have lots of people riding electric vehicles	Aug 27 01:44
DaemonFC	MinceR, There are electric ponies and cows and unicorns at the mall in Fort Wayne.	Aug 27 01:44
DaemonFC	$7 for half an hour or $12 for an hour.	Aug 27 01:44
schestowitz	I bet the golf cart market would bloom if this carries on	Aug 27 01:44
MinceR	DaemonFC: are they mobile?	Aug 27 01:44
schestowitz	people DRIVING their way through the supermarkets in Miami	Aug 27 01:44
DaemonFC	I'm planning to go back there with John so we can film ourselves riding them around the mall.	Aug 27 01:44
MinceR	the ones i've seen only move in place	Aug 27 01:44
MinceR	:)	Aug 27 01:44
DaemonFC	MinceR, Yeah, but they say 250 pound weight limit. They crossed out 300 with a sharpie marker. So, I'm guessing they gambled and lost one of their unicorns. :)	Aug 27 01:45
schestowitz	United states, where people have wheels for legs... but only when they're obese anough	Aug 27 01:45
MinceR	lol	Aug 27 01:46
MinceR	when will they start needing to reinforce the floor? :>	Aug 27 01:46
DaemonFC	MinceR, Already done.	Aug 27 01:47
MinceR	:)	Aug 27 01:47
DaemonFC	The floors at Walmart also absorb spills so people don't slip and sue Walmart.	Aug 27 01:47
DaemonFC	When I worked there, someone was pulling a pallet of pickles that fell over onto said floor and made a gigantic mark that's still there 8 years later.	Aug 27 01:47
DaemonFC	B-)	Aug 27 01:47
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schestowitz	LOL	Aug 27 01:48
schestowitz	Mister Pickle	Aug 27 01:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Documents collections dialog redone	Aug 27 01:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/aGehVMMomt	Aug 27 01:49
TweetTuxMachines	(itsallaboutfreedom.wordpress.com)	Aug 27 01:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Boston Summit 2015 to be held 10-12 October	Aug 27 01:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/n5GHUqo9yA (www.gnome.org)	Aug 27 01:49
TweetTuxMachines	"GNOME’s annual event in North America"	Aug 27 01:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnome.org \| Boston Summit 2015 to be held 10-12 October – GNOME		Aug 27 01:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/STRlto3NdL	Aug 27 01:49
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 01:49
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DaemonFC	Yeah, apparently the floor did its job a little bit too well with the vinegar from the pickle jars.	Aug 27 01:49
schestowitz	I slipped some months ago in Singapore	Aug 27 01:49
schestowitz	someone dropped something	Aug 27 01:49
schestowitz	so they clearned the floor	Aug 27 01:49
schestowitz	left it wet, no signage to say it's wet	Aug 27 01:50
DaemonFC	Oww	Aug 27 01:50
schestowitz	that was in the hotel, luckily not much but a near split from me	Aug 27 01:50
schestowitz	with one foot down the small stairs	Aug 27 01:50
schestowitz	and some bangers on the floor	Aug 27 01:50
schestowitz	no broken glass	Aug 27 01:50
DaemonFC	I think the worst accident I've ever been in was when I gashed my head open after slipping on a puddle of oil in the forklift bay at a place I used to work at. They made it my fault of course.	Aug 27 01:56
DaemonFC	After the hospital trip that declared me "fit for light duty" without even letting me go home and wash the blood off.	Aug 27 01:57
DaemonFC	I've been in a car accident, but the drunk that caused it got the worse end of that because I was driving a decent car, and he had a PT Cruiser. :P	Aug 27 01:58
DaemonFC	http://www.forbes.com/sites/micahsolomon/2014/12/29/5-traits-that-define-the-80-million-millennial-customers-coming-your-way/	Aug 27 01:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.forbes.com \| 2015 Is The Year Of The Millennial Customer: 5 Key Traits These 80 Million Consumers Share [ http://ur1.ca/nkgok ]		Aug 27 01:59
DaemonFC	"They expect technology to simply work"	Aug 27 01:59
DaemonFC	Goes on to cite the iPhone, ignoring basically thousands of issues.	Aug 27 02:00
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DaemonFC	schestowitz, It's not just Florida.	Aug 27 02:18
DaemonFC	In 1990, 9% of the population of Indiana was obese.	Aug 27 02:18
DaemonFC	Now it's closing in on 40%.	Aug 27 02:18
DaemonFC	That's not counting the people who are overweight, but not to the point of obesity.	Aug 27 02:18
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DaemonFC	Eating junk and not moving.	Aug 27 02:19
DaemonFC	That's really what it boils down to.	Aug 27 02:19
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DaemonFC	schestowitz, It's getting worse. People aren't just rising the electric scooters anymore.	Aug 27 02:22
DaemonFC	Kroger has a new thing where you place your grocery order online and then there's a drive through window where you pick it up.	Aug 27 02:22
DaemonFC	How sad is that? Can't even get out of the car and walk around the supermarket for 20 minutes.	Aug 27 02:22
MinceR	webshops are sad now? :>	Aug 27 02:24
DaemonFC	People are too bloated to even go into the supermarket.	Aug 27 02:30
DaemonFC	MinceR, The ADA law is absurd as it is.	Aug 27 02:30
DaemonFC	Like 50 handicapped spots at the Walmart. Most are for compliance. Mostly empty.	Aug 27 02:31
DaemonFC	I call them Handy Crap spots because people commit fraud on the system to get a handicapped sticker when there's nothing wrong with them, just so they can get closer to the door.	Aug 27 02:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 hands-on: Finally, new	Aug 27 02:34
TweetTuxMachines	Android tablets http://t.co/M98ZXXpWHh	Aug 27 02:34
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 02:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkh1z	Aug 27 02:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 hands-on: Finally, new Android tablets \| Tux Machines		Aug 27 02:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GDK-PixBuf Vulnerability Closed in Ubuntu 15.04	Aug 27 02:34
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/3FGMaWu5zZ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 02:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkh23	Aug 27 02:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GDK-PixBuf Vulnerability Closed in Ubuntu 15.04 \| Tux Machines		Aug 27 02:34
DaemonFC	http://trib.al/4ouEmfT	Aug 27 02:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-jezebel.com \| Tourist Unclear On Concept Of Wild Animals Demands Yellowstone Provide Better Bears		Aug 27 02:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-6 Officially Released with	Aug 27 02:34
TweetTuxMachines	Wi-Fi Hotspot, Custom Alarm Sounds, More	Aug 27 02:34
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/JQ4EWV57U4 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 02:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkh24	Aug 27 02:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Touch OTA-6 Officially Released with Wi-Fi Hotspot, Custom Alarm Sounds, More \| Tux Machines		Aug 27 02:34
DaemonFC	"Please train your bears to be where guests can see them," stated the customer feedback. "This was an expensive trip to not get to see Bears."	Aug 27 02:34
MinceR	they need Yogi Bear	Aug 27 02:34
DaemonFC	Some people need to be introduced to an 800 pound grizzly bear...	Aug 27 02:34
MinceR	"Smarter Than The Average Bear"	Aug 27 02:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Eclipse seeks donations for open source	Aug 27 02:34
TweetTuxMachines	development http://t.co/HQvxQPYCfL	Aug 27 02:35
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 02:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Eclipse seeks donations for open source development \| Tux Machines		Aug 27 02:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkh2g	Aug 27 02:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google Hopes Open Source Will Give Its Cloud A	Aug 27 02:35
TweetTuxMachines	Path To The Enterprise http://t.co/h89ZpZviH5	Aug 27 02:35
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 02:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Google Hopes Open Source Will Give Its Cloud A Path To The Enterprise \| Tux Machines		Aug 27 02:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkh2h	Aug 27 02:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Developer Contest in China Was a Great	Aug 27 02:35
TweetTuxMachines	Success, Here are the Winners	Aug 27 02:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/WSwxjRgPpM (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 02:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkh2i	Aug 27 02:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Developer Contest in China Was a Great Success, Here are the Winners \| Tux Machines		Aug 27 02:35
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DaemonFC	MinceR, But then they'd just complain that their picnic baskets were missing!	Aug 27 02:49
MinceR	:>	Aug 27 02:49
MinceR	at least they'd survive	Aug 27 02:50
DaemonFC	Should they?	Aug 27 02:56
DaemonFC	That's what nobody ever asks.	Aug 27 02:56
MinceR	:>	Aug 27 02:58
MinceR	people are so preoccupied with whether or not they could survive that they don't stop to think if they should?	Aug 27 02:59
DaemonFC	No, I meant from the third person perspective.	Aug 27 03:03
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*TweetTuxMachines @economyovernewz favourited 'Ubuntu Developer Contest in China Was a Great...'		Aug 27 03:34
DaemonFC	http://deadspin.com/36-cheap-american-beers-ranked-638820035	Aug 27 03:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-deadspin.com \| 36 Cheap American Beers, Ranked [ http://ur1.ca/nkhqr ]		Aug 27 03:40
DaemonFC	Hipsters already started drinking Pabst to the point that the price has doubled.	Aug 27 03:41
DaemonFC	Plenty of bad beer left for now though. :)	Aug 27 03:41
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6513813	Aug 27 04:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 5-day change for the main #china stocks index: -23%. Market opens in 2 hours. The Chinese billionaires flee their own market, I guess.		Aug 27 04:00
schestowitz	"The Chinese billionaries surely flew already as other billionaries elsewhere."	Aug 27 04:00
schestowitz	Greener pastures	Aug 27 04:01
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6514021	Aug 27 04:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Abe Asks U.S. to Investigate Alleged NSA Spying on Japanese Government http://www.wsj.com/articles/abe-asks-u-s-to-investigate-alleged-nsa-spying-on-japanese-government-1440577772 watch #obama defend #nsa #espionage		Aug 27 04:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.wsj.com \| Abe Asks U.S. to Investigate Alleged NSA Spying on Japanese Government - WSJ [ http://ur1.ca/nkhye ]		Aug 27 04:01
schestowitz	"The US will say that never happened such spying and everybody will be happy forever."	Aug 27 04:01
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DaemonFC	I'm considering getting rid of my car after I move.	Aug 27 04:19
DaemonFC	It's a major expense and I can get a 30 day bus pass to go wherever I want for $15.	Aug 27 04:19
DaemonFC	I'll probably at least leave the car parked and take the bus during the winter. I hate driving on that crap.	Aug 27 04:19
DaemonFC	I probably waste $15 worth of gas just warming up the car each month when it's like that outside. :P	Aug 27 04:21
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DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Aug 27 06:14
DaemonFC	Just now ·	Aug 27 06:14
DaemonFC	I don't know. Dumber things have happened. Maybe he was hoping to get the judge from Apple's slide-to-unlock patent case.	Aug 27 06:14
DaemonFC	https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/08/26/a-man-in-puerto-rico-tried-to-copyright-a-basic-chicken-sandwich/	Aug 27 06:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com \| Man tries to copyright a chicken sandwich, learns that that’s completely ridiculous - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/nkjbb ]		Aug 27 06:14
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msb__	What if the chicken sandwich has rounded corners?	Aug 27 06:56
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Nyssen11/status/636735252661186560	Aug 27 09:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Nyssen11: @schestowitz it's the first Tizen Conference outside the US ...		Aug 27 09:35
schestowitz	What about India?	Aug 27 09:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ch_s/status/636772698207690752	Aug 27 09:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ch_s: @BrendanEich @schestowitz thanks!1000+?the number is impressive, outlines some revenue pressures (?) & may be either too much or not enough.		Aug 27 09:36
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Nyssen11/status/636820643909120000	Aug 27 09:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Nyssen11: @schestowitz India was not a Tizen Conference		Aug 27 09:42
schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3ii4ym/microsoft_at_linuxcon/	Aug 27 09:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com \| Microsoft at LinuxCon : linux [ http://ur1.ca/nkea9 ]		Aug 27 09:50
schestowitz	"	Aug 27 09:50
schestowitz	We have too many in jail for dumb crap.	Aug 27 09:50
schestowitz	I absolutely agree. But you also have too few in jail for serious crap.	Aug 27 09:50
schestowitz	"	Aug 27 09:50
schestowitz	"Gates is an idiot and pushing HIS agenda in some cases, getting involved with throwing his money into political ballot issues in the US itself. I don't appreciate his meddling in local politics."	Aug 27 09:50
DaemonFC	http://www.androidauthority.com/obi-worldphone-sf1-and-sj1-5-launched-by-former-apple-ceo-super-unique-and-affordable-637338/	Aug 27 10:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com \| Obi Worldphone SF1 and SJ1.5 launched by former Apple CEO - super unique and affordable [ http://ur1.ca/nklte ]		Aug 27 10:23
DaemonFC	Apple's former CEO is starting a company to make smartphones running Android.	Aug 27 10:24
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 27 10:41
DaemonFC	It is typical of the southern mindset. I have some southern family members that I absolutely despise. You can put them all together and they still aren't worth a squirrel fart.	Aug 27 10:41
DaemonFC	Makes the holidays a little awkward. I just won't talk to them. They're fools.	Aug 27 10:41
DaemonFC	I think my favorite is the Tea Party Uncle from Georgia whose son, girlfriend, and baby are living in the basement on welfare.	Aug 27 10:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Plumbers Conference 2015	Aug 27 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/RabgdgUhX0 (www.labbott.name)	Aug 27 10:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.labbott.name \| Something witty/insightful		Aug 27 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkm50	Aug 27 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Former Apple CEO, Beats Design Firm Team on	Aug 27 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	Sleek, Low-Cost Android Phones for Developing	Aug 27 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	World http://t.co/El7DdeH1RZ	Aug 27 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkm51	Aug 27 10:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Former Apple CEO, Beats Design Firm Team on Sleek, Low-Cost Android Phones for Developing World \| Tux Machines		Aug 27 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Review: New gadgets keep Samsung at Android	Aug 27 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	helm, but might not be enough to lure Apple	Aug 27 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	users http://t.co/8fX9g8rjCz	Aug 27 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 10:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkm55	Aug 27 10:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Review: New gadgets keep Samsung at Android helm, but might not be enough to lure Apple users \| Tux Machines		Aug 27 10:53
schestowitz	> http://www.itwire.com/your-it-news/home-it/69189-windows-10-uptake-on-schedule	Aug 27 10:59
schestowitz	>	Aug 27 10:59
schestowitz	>	Aug 27 10:59
schestowitz	> The only question his how they are fiddling the stats.	Aug 27 10:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itwire.com \| iTWire - Windows 10 uptake on schedule [ http://ur1.ca/nkm75 ]		Aug 27 10:59
schestowitz	These claims are from Microsoft, they debunk some early claims that the media cited a lot (45 million or 55 million after 3 days), and since they come from Microsoft, based on how it always gamed the numbers ('sales' not meaning actual sales or even users), we know these are lies. Look at web stats from some of the more respected sources. Maybe 5% market share (or less) at the moment, which given the price and other factors, is truly	Aug 27 10:59
schestowitz	pathetic.	Aug 27 10:59
schestowitz	BTW, the author is a known Microsoft booster.	Aug 27 10:59
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Morality124/status/636841852734304257	Aug 27 11:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Morality124: @schestowitz Why :(?		Aug 27 11:12
schestowitz	not a fan of systemd	Aug 27 11:13
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Morality124/status/636844169521041408	Aug 27 11:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Morality124: @schestowitz Jacob isn't?		Aug 27 11:16
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schestowitz	I have another article coming about the EPO... the 5th suicide. I will wait until the date and then publish the article about the IU.	Aug 27 11:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is There Such a Thing as Too Many GNU/Linux	Aug 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	Distributions? http://t.co/VRXyEg0V3e	Aug 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkmip	Aug 27 11:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Is There Such a Thing as Too Many GNU/Linux Distributions? \| Tux Machines		Aug 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Scientific Linux 6.7 Officially Released, Based	Aug 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.7	Aug 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TEbSzhu7jy (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkmiq	Aug 27 11:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Scientific Linux 6.7 Officially Released, Based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.7 \| Tux Machines		Aug 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 hands-on: Finally, new	Aug 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	Android tablets http://t.co/YrdgbGtPa1	Aug 27 11:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.slashgear.com \| Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 hands-on: Finally, new Android tablets - SlashGear		Aug 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	(www.slashgear.com)	Aug 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkmis	Aug 27 11:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How to Ready Yourself for Linux: Nine Tips	Aug 27 11:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/I4HBP1Ryre (www.datamation.com)	Aug 27 11:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkmk6	Aug 27 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datamation.com \| How to Ready Yourself for Linux: Nine Tips - Datamation		Aug 27 11:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GDK-PixBuf Vulnerability Closed in Ubuntu 15.04	Aug 27 11:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/yahC3Ao4Rk (linux.softpedia.com)	Aug 27 11:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkmk8	Aug 27 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| GDK-PixBuf Vulnerability Closed in Ubuntu 15.04 - Softpedia		Aug 27 11:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-6 Officially Released with	Aug 27 11:32
TweetTuxMachines	Wi-Fi Hotspot, Custom Alarm Sounds, More	Aug 27 11:32
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/upVwwg6sJ3 (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 27 11:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkmk9	Aug 27 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Touch OTA-6 Officially Released with Wi-Fi Hotspot, Custom Alarm Sounds, More - Softpedia		Aug 27 11:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch's Telegram App 2.0 to Arrive Next	Aug 27 11:41
TweetTuxMachines	Month Based on TelegramQML	Aug 27 11:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/p1HGVhP3Xs (linux.softpedia.com)	Aug 27 11:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkmng	Aug 27 11:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Touch's Telegram App 2.0 to Arrive Next Month Based on TelegramQML - Softpedia		Aug 27 11:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Developer Contest in China Was a Great	Aug 27 11:41
TweetTuxMachines	Success, Here are the Winners	Aug 27 11:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/SGzjafMYzn (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 27 11:41
TweetTuxMachines	#china #linux	Aug 27 11:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Developer Contest in China Was a Great Success, Here Are the Winners - Softpedia		Aug 27 11:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkmnh	Aug 27 11:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Review: New gadgets keep Samsung at Android	Aug 27 11:41
TweetTuxMachines	helm, but might not be enough to lure Apple	Aug 27 11:41
TweetTuxMachines	users http://t.co/6X2EZum22x	Aug 27 11:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.startribune.com)	Aug 27 11:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkmni	Aug 27 11:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.startribune.com \| Review: New phones, tablets keep Samsung at Android helm - StarTribune.com		Aug 27 11:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is There Such a Thing as Too Many GNU/Linux	Aug 27 11:44
TweetTuxMachines	Distributions? http://t.co/vbnWCgY8CW	Aug 27 11:44
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Aug 27 11:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Is There Such a Thing as Too Many GNU/Linux Distributions? - Softpedia		Aug 27 11:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkmp0	Aug 27 11:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Scientific Linux 6.7 Officially Released, Based	Aug 27 11:45
TweetTuxMachines	on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.7	Aug 27 11:45
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/3CPKKpHUol (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 27 11:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkmp2	Aug 27 11:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Scientific Linux 6.7 Officially Released, Based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.7 - Softpedia		Aug 27 11:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hardened Linux stalwarts grsecurity pull the	Aug 27 11:45
TweetTuxMachines	pin after legal fight http://t.co/YXEtjWmDzH	Aug 27 11:45
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theregister.co.uk)	Aug 27 11:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Hardened Linux stalwarts grsecurity pull the pin after legal fight • The Register		Aug 27 11:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkmp3	Aug 27 11:45
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/636850546486431744	Aug 27 11:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Kind of like @SamsungUK @schestowitz. Use mine everywhere.		Aug 27 11:46
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/laurelrusswurm/status/636852254524444672	Aug 27 11:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@laurelrusswurm: @schestowitz No. :)		Aug 27 11:47
schestowitz	Like "too many cars"	Aug 27 11:47
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/636850885348339712	Aug 27 11:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz "If [BBC] was a car industry, our ministers would be out championing it overseas, trying to win contracts"		Aug 27 11:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines All of Your Favorite PCLinuxOS Editions Are Now	Aug 27 11:52
TweetTuxMachines	Available into a Single ISO Image	Aug 27 11:52
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/d4pKbp8qfM (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 27 11:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkms1	Aug 27 11:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| All of Your Favorite PCLinuxOS Editions Are Now Available into a Single ISO Image - Softpedia		Aug 27 11:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Developer Suggests Non-Windowing Display	Aug 27 11:53
TweetTuxMachines	Server Layer for Wayland http://t.co/znHfQ87bE4	Aug 27 11:53
TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	Aug 27 11:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Developer Suggests Non-Windowing Display Server Layer for Wayland - Softpedia		Aug 27 11:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkms3	Aug 27 11:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Raspberry Pi is succeeding in ways its	Aug 27 11:53
TweetTuxMachines	makers almost imagined http://t.co/IThajM2KAl	Aug 27 11:53
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theregister.co.uk)	Aug 27 11:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| The Raspberry Pi is succeeding in ways its makers almost imagined • The Register		Aug 27 11:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkms4	Aug 27 11:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Liquorix Kernel Is Still Ticking, Currently	Aug 27 11:53
TweetTuxMachines	Based On Linux 4.1 http://t.co/VopdKTgOUz	Aug 27 11:53
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Aug 27 11:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| The Liquorix Kernel Is Still Ticking, Currently Based On Linux 4.1 - Phoronix		Aug 27 11:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkms5	Aug 27 11:53
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/636853182212272129	Aug 27 11:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: I don't know why anyone should use paypal https://t.co/rrEoiQY5El		Aug 27 11:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #paypal had a glitch, took double payment. After almost a dozen messages I'm entering day two of nuisance. PayPal's fault. Bad service.		Aug 27 11:53
schestowitz	Long-distance payments without having to go to a physical bank	Aug 27 11:53
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Aug 27 11:55
DaemonFC	1 min ·	Aug 27 11:55
DaemonFC	I'm shocked. A site that helps people break their marriage vows and then commits extortion against the cheater when they want their account deleted broke their promise to delete the data.	Aug 27 11:55
DaemonFC	smile emoticon	Aug 27 11:55
DaemonFC	"Ashley Madison required a $19 fee if you wanted to permanently delete your data from the website. Turns out, even after you paid, they didn't delete all your data."	Aug 27 11:55
DaemonFC	http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2015/08/ashley-madison-faces-proposed-class-action-suit-over-half-deleted-data/	Aug 27 11:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.co.uk \| Ashley Madison faces proposed class-action lawsuit over half-deleted data \| Ars Technica UK [ http://ur1.ca/nkmsv ]		Aug 27 11:55
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/laurelrusswurm/status/636854449848340480	Aug 27 12:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@laurelrusswurm: @schestowitz For me it would be "too many books"		Aug 27 12:01
schestowitz	So much choice, it's confusing!!	Aug 27 12:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-7 Arrives in October with	Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	Vibration and Accelerometer Access for Web Apps	Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/1a8lkUlj86 (linux.softpedia.com)	Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkmvd	Aug 27 12:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Touch OTA-7 Arrives in October with Vibration and Accelerometer Access for Web Apps - Softpedia		Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Video Arcade Gets a Major Release with	Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	Compatibility for Latest MAME and GTK3	Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/1a8lkUlj86 (linux.softpedia.com)	Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkmve	Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why FreeBSD should not adopt launchd	Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/0a2p4QINX8 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkmvh	Aug 27 12:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Why FreeBSD should not adopt launchd \| Tux Machines		Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Liquorix Kernel Is Still Ticking, Currently	Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	Based On Linux 4.1 http://t.co/FQIS5S7k4W	Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 12:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Raspberry Pi is succeeding in ways its	Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	makers almost imagined http://t.co/BT57LlS4Mg	Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 12:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Raspberry Pi is succeeding in ways its makers almost imagined \| Tux Machines		Aug 27 12:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-7 Arrives in October with	Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	Vibration and Accelerometer Access for Web Apps	Aug 27 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/3A306hupoT (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 12:02
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DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Aug 27 12:07
DaemonFC	Just now ·	Aug 27 12:07
DaemonFC	It turns out that Ashley Madison was even more of a sausagefest than originally reported. Men weren't 95% of the accounts. They were more like 99.5% of the accounts. It's been useful as a honeypot though. I wonder how many more Republican officials and right-wing Christians will be discovered among the 35 million profiles. They already found Josh Duggar and a few others, and is anyone surprised?	Aug 27 12:07
DaemonFC	http://gizmodo.com/almost-none-of-the-women-in-the-ashley-madison-database-1725558944	Aug 27 12:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gizmodo.com \| Almost None of the Women in the Ashley Madison Database Ever Used the Site [ http://ur1.ca/nkmx7 ]		Aug 27 12:07
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/636857372175114240	Aug 27 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: @schestowitz do not.! use paypal.		Aug 27 12:10
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/laurelrusswurm/status/636859164057292800	Aug 27 12:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@laurelrusswurm: @schestowitz Like banks that are exempt from (even the inadequate) regulations banks must follow #justsaynotopaypal		Aug 27 12:16
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Inside_Jobber/status/636859510846586880	Aug 27 12:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Inside_Jobber: @schestowitz Good logic. If there were no women on there, they weren't cheating, so lets find some other dirt on 'em.		Aug 27 12:16
schestowitz	DaemonFC: ^	Aug 27 12:17
DaemonFC	It's sort of funny.	Aug 27 12:21
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DaemonFC	Millions of men keep paying to keep their account going, and there are only about 12,000 women on the entire site.	Aug 27 12:22
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/laurelrusswurm/status/636860979742121984	Aug 27 12:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@laurelrusswurm: @schestowitz The sad part is #copyright ing a chicken sandwhich is no more unreasonable than copyrighting any intellectual property.		Aug 27 12:22
schestowitz	DaemonFC: probably ugly ones, too	Aug 27 12:24
schestowitz	once whose spouses don't want to do anything with them	Aug 27 12:24
schestowitz	DaemonFC: using phantom accounts an old trick	Aug 27 12:24
schestowitz	see how Facebook stated	Aug 27 12:24
schestowitz	and the stunt Zuck made before that	Aug 27 12:24
schestowitz	scraping people's profiles from the Web to make up 'members'	Aug 27 12:25
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/636861338938134528	Aug 27 12:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: "Облако" значит, что Ваши данные не будут удалены. Даже если Вы попросите. Даже если Вы заплатите за Премиум аккаунт https://t.co/OlJs4gzzsh		Aug 27 12:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 'Cloud' means data won't be deleted, even if you ask for it to be deleted. Even if you PAY premium to delete it. http://t.co/hATmlSZ4SN		Aug 27 12:26
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/636857372175114240	Aug 27 12:26
cubexyz	my advice is keep your own server and sit beside it :)	Aug 27 12:26
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Grand Theft Auto V parodied Facebook.	Aug 27 12:27
cubexyz	I can't believe how bad Microsoft was in the beginning	Aug 27 12:27
MinceR	075608 < msb__> What if the chicken sandwich has rounded corners?	Aug 27 12:27
DaemonFC	They called it LifeInvader and you go on a mission to put a bomb in the phone of the parody of Zuckerberg to blow his head off on the news.	Aug 27 12:27
MinceR	lawsuit.	Aug 27 12:27
cubexyz	of course they were bad later, but even at the start they were parasites	Aug 27 12:28
cubexyz	dumpster diving and cannibalizing other companies BASIC source code, then buying QDOS for $50K to make MSDOS	Aug 27 12:29
MinceR	and qdos itself was stolen from DRI	Aug 27 12:30
cubexyz	based on CP/M system calls certainly	Aug 27 12:31
XRevan86	MinceR: It's like saying Linux was stolen from Bell Labs.	Aug 27 12:31
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cubexyz	it's indisputable that Paterson copied CP/M's API, including the first 36 functions with minor changes	Aug 27 12:35
cubexyz	Apple Stole from Xerox	Aug 27 12:37
cubexyz	there's no doubt in my mind about that	Aug 27 12:37
schestowitz	DaemonFC: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNCdZHqUcAQujvt.jpg	Aug 27 12:37
cubexyz	use the word copied if you prefer	Aug 27 12:37
cubexyz	there was the Computer Software Copyright Act of 1980	Aug 27 12:40
cubexyz	so DRI could have sued	Aug 27 12:40
cubexyz	it might have been 26 function calls, sources seem to vary	Aug 27 12:42
cubexyz	Zeidman was an expert witness for... Microsoft	Aug 27 12:42
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Anti_Gnostic/status/636865939489685505	Aug 27 12:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Anti_Gnostic: @dawnbazely @tylercowen @schestowitz And yet, despite the lack of such protections, innovation flourishes. IP law is arttificial scarcity		Aug 27 12:43
schestowitz	and jacking up of priced for the benefit of few already-rich people	Aug 27 12:44
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/636866398665461760	Aug 27 12:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @schestowitz @tylercowen, I always give credit for the cookbooks & recipes I use (usually, @DeliaOnline & @lucywaverman 🍳🍲🍱🍵🍰🍪🍝)		Aug 27 12:44
schestowitz	Attribution is good	Aug 27 12:45
cubexyz	some folks even say CP/M was copied from TOPS-10 :)	Aug 27 12:45
cubexyz	so everyone copies from everyone	Aug 27 12:45
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/636863784464814081	Aug 27 12:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: Why no patent or copyright for new food recipes? By @tylercowen https://t.co/er6XGXjK1W HT @schestowitz		Aug 27 12:45
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cubexyz	GEM mimicked the Xerox Alto	Aug 27 12:46
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cubexyz	"ask Bill Gates why the string in MSDOS function 9 is terminated by a dollar sign" - Kildall	Aug 27 17:53
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cubexyz	http://dfarq.homeip.net/2012/08/the-cpm-dos-forensics-dont-prove-much/	Aug 27 17:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dfarq.homeip.net \| The CP/M-DOS forensics don’t prove much \| The Silicon Underground [ http://ur1.ca/nkqsy ]		Aug 27 17:56
cubexyz	msb__, I have a couple of remarks about your replace program	Aug 27 18:09
msb__	cubexyz: ok...	Aug 27 18:09
cubexyz	usually when I write a program I put the year and my name and some remarks about which compilers/operating systems it will work on	Aug 27 18:10
cubexyz	maybe a one liner saying it's GPL	Aug 27 18:10
msb__	It will probably work on any OS/compiler that it compiles on. 8^)	Aug 27 18:13
cubexyz	it's just sometimes when I look at very old code I wish the original programmer put that info in the comments	Aug 27 18:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/DxidclWJtA	Aug 27 18:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Technology, the law and you: Open-source	Aug 27 18:15
TweetTuxMachines	software http://t.co/HVnUIFRHMW	Aug 27 18:15
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MinceR	cubexyz: because the code Kildall wrote, SCP stole and m$ bought did it that way? :>	Aug 27 18:20
cubexyz	CP/M was mostly written in PL/M	Aug 27 18:22
cubexyz	so very unlikedly that Paterson copied the orginal PL/M source	Aug 27 18:22
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cubexyz	he probably dis-assembled the executables	Aug 27 18:22
cubexyz	Kildall was influenced by ALGOL	Aug 27 18:24
cubexyz	not sure why ALGOL fell out of favour	Aug 27 18:27
cubexyz	you ever run into ALGOL msb__?	Aug 27 18:28
msb__	I was very impressed with ALGOL and the Burroughs stack machines that run it. I have a manual somewhere for one of them. I have the Algol-68 document, which I read for entertainment.	Aug 27 18:30
msb__	At one time I had an ALGOL 60 car license-plate.	Aug 27 18:33
msb__	cubexyz: C requires less typing.	Aug 27 18:35
msb__	(keystrokes)	Aug 27 18:35
cubexyz	I sometimes use APL for that reason	Aug 27 18:36
cubexyz	fast math hacks	Aug 27 18:36
msb__	cubexyz: http://cosmicpenguin.com/linux/replace.cccc	Aug 27 18:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Missing content type. Ignoring.		Aug 27 18:40
cubexyz	very very good :)	Aug 27 18:41
msb__	Thanks!	Aug 27 18:42
cubexyz	gcc warns about incompatible implicit declaration of function memmove so I added #include <memory.h>	Aug 27 18:43
msb__	does that fix it?	Aug 27 18:43
cubexyz	yes	Aug 27 18:43
cubexyz	older gcc doesn't complain about it	Aug 27 18:45
msb__	I guess I should have suggested changing the filename to replace.c unless you're using the C++++ compiler.	Aug 27 18:45
cubexyz	does your server run apache?	Aug 27 18:45
MinceR	:D	Aug 27 18:45
msb__	Yes, according to Lynx.	Aug 27 18:47
cubexyz	in mime.types just add:	Aug 27 18:48
cubexyz	text/plain asc text c	Aug 27 18:48
msb__	It's not my server. I don't want to mess with it.	Aug 27 18:48
cubexyz	ok	Aug 27 18:48
cubexyz	there's probably some stuff in mime.types I should remove	Aug 27 18:50
cubexyz	but then there's stuff like:	Aug 27 18:51
cubexyz	application/vnd.kde.kword	Aug 27 18:51
msb__	cubexyz: OK, I put in the #define and uploaded that version. I have a sneaking suspicion that if a program compiles with gcc without any warnings that I'm doing something wrong, but...	Aug 27 19:00
cubexyz	msb__, I tested it on gcc 3.3.2	Aug 27 19:00
cubexyz	no warning on that one	Aug 27 19:00
cubexyz	gcc 4.2.3 gave the warning	Aug 27 19:01
cubexyz	you could compare both executables, they could be exactly the same	Aug 27 19:01
cubexyz	I like to test stuff on multiple compilers	Aug 27 19:02
msb__	I've never found any two executables that are exactly the same.	Aug 27 19:02
msb__	I think the compiler secretly puts in the date and time. Maybe the phase of the Moon.	Aug 27 19:03
msb__	Anyhow, there it is. It's a very useful program.	Aug 27 19:04
cubexyz	generally newer gcc is more picky about includes and such	Aug 27 19:07
msb__	Yeah, the language keeps getting "improved", so it's no longer easy and fun.	Aug 27 19:08
msb__	Like putting "const" everywhere.	Aug 27 19:08
cubexyz	well I can talk about old cc if you like :)	Aug 27 19:08
msb__	I think that if a compiler wants helpful hints it should figure them out itself.	Aug 27 19:09
MinceR	const correctness helps prevent bugs	Aug 27 19:09
MinceR	the compiler wants "helpful hints" so it can figure out of the programmer made an error	Aug 27 19:09
msb__	I want a language that's easy and fun to write in, that doesn't require redundant crap everywhere.	Aug 27 19:11
msb__	I think my favorite version of C was the one just before "const" was invented.	Aug 27 19:12
msb__	I think I have some Harbison & Steele book on that one.	Aug 27 19:12
MinceR	is looking for your own errors easy or fun? :>	Aug 27 19:12
MinceR	of course, it's still possible to write c code without using const	Aug 27 19:13
msb__	If it compiles and runs my test cases I figure it is error-free.	Aug 27 19:13
msb__	Compile errors are easy enough to fix, and runtime problems generally succumb to print statements.	Aug 27 19:15
msb__	For me, computers and programming languages are tools, not religions.	Aug 27 19:16
msb__	Actually I do like debugging. But I don't have to do it very often.	Aug 27 19:18
msb__	I mostly write simple little programs like "replace" and combine them in bash scripts.	Aug 27 19:18
msb__	If Unix was written without using "const", I figure I don't need it.	Aug 27 19:28
msb__	I had to use it in some consulting jobs. It was very annoying.	Aug 27 19:33
msb__	But maybe it was justified, because those were large programs.	Aug 27 19:34
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DaemonFC	Shelly Bingham Prayers for the families, friends & co workers & victims of a crazy evil man!!	Aug 27 20:43
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer How about instead of praying, people actually do something productive and pressure their Congress Critter for sensible gun reform? Prayer doesn't work. Pray in one hand and take a crap in the other and see which one fills up first.	Aug 27 20:43
DaemonFC	Millions of people pray for mass shootings to stop every day, and there's still a mass shooting about every day, so really, it can't be doing that much good.	Aug 27 20:45
cubexyz	2.11BSD doesn't have const	Aug 27 20:47
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cubexyz	looks like chromeos can do more stuff than I thought	Aug 27 21:21
cubexyz	it's got the chrome shell	Aug 27 21:22
cubexyz	hurray for non-microsoft computing	Aug 27 21:22
cubexyz	ending up getting the HP 14-x010ca chromebook	Aug 27 21:24
cubexyz	no ethernet port so I had to buy a USB to ethernet adapter	Aug 27 21:26
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Aug 27 21:26
DaemonFC	Just now ·	Aug 27 21:26
DaemonFC	What do you expect from someone that looks like a bible thumping cat lady that lives in a trailer except to go to Walmart and pay with a check?	Aug 27 21:26
DaemonFC	http://huff.to/1El27ps	Aug 27 21:26
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cubexyz	192 NVIDIA CUDA cores, whatever that means	Aug 27 21:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Xubuntu 15.10 Beta 1 Drops Gnumeric and Abiword	Aug 27 22:00
TweetTuxMachines	in Favor of LibreOffice Writer and Calc	Aug 27 22:00
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/KxWn3FjwX8 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 22:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Archive Still Free Software	Aug 27 22:00
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/eBnQzHhOmF (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 27 22:00
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6515672	Aug 27 22:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: What Is The Oldest Linux Installation CD You Have? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-news-59/what-is-the-oldest-linux-installation-cd-you-have-4175551843/ #gnu #linux discussion		Aug 27 22:37
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schestowitz	"dreamlinux 2.2 and Novell Suse 9.1."	Aug 27 22:37
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/yggdrasil-linux-1994-cd.jpg	Aug 27 22:50
cubexyz	a lot of stuff happened in 1994	Aug 27 22:51
cubexyz	I used darkstar linux 0.99.14	Aug 27 22:51
cubexyz	didn't quite know what to make of it back then	Aug 27 22:51
cubexyz	still have my freebsd CDs	Aug 27 22:52
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/freebsd-1995.jpeg	Aug 27 22:52
cubexyz	can't remember anything before MCC Interim Linux from Nov 1992, but I think there was something	Aug 27 22:54
cubexyz	before that you had to download bits and pieces of Linux from different FTP sites	Aug 27 22:56
MinceR	https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2015/08/msg00482.html	Aug 27 23:01
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MinceR	"stable"	Aug 27 23:01
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DaemonFC	http://www.zdnet.com/article/no-microsoft-is-not-spying-on-you-with-windows-10/	Aug 28 00:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| No, Microsoft is not spying on you with Windows 10 \| ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/nkuni ]		Aug 28 00:38
MinceR	ooh, damage control from zdnet	Aug 28 00:40
MinceR	the surprise of the decade.	Aug 28 00:41
msb__	Regarding Gun Control: US population is 320M, of which 1/70th die per year = 4.6M deaths/year = 12,500 deaths/day. Even if "there's still a mass shooting about every day", which I think is an exaggeration, deaths from guns in the US is only a very tiny fraction of total deaths, maybe about 1 in 5000.	Aug 28 00:44
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msb__	Now the US government, for no reason at all, invaded Afghanistan and Iraq and murdered 2,000,000 people in those nations. What if the govt for no reason at all, decides to murder 2,000,000 Americans? If it does, then hundreds of millions of guns in the hands of American citizens will be the only deterrent. With a government run by psychopaths, it's good for the population to be armed.	Aug 28 00:48
MinceR	it's good anyway, exactly for the reason it was put in the constitution	Aug 28 00:50
MinceR	also for self defense	Aug 28 00:54
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msb__	Yep. I think that's the reason it was put in the constitution.	Aug 28 00:55
msb__	Ben Franklin was asked in 1787: “Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?”, and he answered, “A Republic, if you can keep it.”	Aug 28 00:57
MinceR	https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/13/is-the-united-states-of-america-a-republic-or-a-democracy/	Aug 28 00:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com \| Is the United States of America a republic or a democracy? - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/nkuu0 ]		Aug 28 00:57
msb__	That's the question of direct democracy or representative democracy. But actually we have neither now. We have plutocracy	Aug 28 01:01
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msb__	And psychopath-ocracy, if there's a word for that.	Aug 28 01:01
msb__	Kakistocracy -- Government by the worst men.	Aug 28 01:10
MinceR	:)	Aug 28 01:11
msb__	My dic script: lynx "http://www.onelook.com/?w=$1&ls=a" Usage: dic word-to-look-up	Aug 28 01:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.onelook.com \| Definitions of $1 - OneLook Dictionary Search		Aug 28 01:12
msb__	With a gui browser, onelook.com gives you audio pronunciations.	Aug 28 01:15
cubexyz	curl dict://dict.org/d:$1	Aug 28 01:18
cubexyz	that's mine	Aug 28 01:18
cubexyz	no need to use anything as voluminous as lynx	Aug 28 01:19
msb__	That gives only one definition. Mine gives all of them.	Aug 28 01:21
msb__	Lynx voluminous???	Aug 28 01:22
cubexyz	relatively speaking :)	Aug 28 01:22
msb__	Electrons are cheap.	Aug 28 01:22
msb__	Firefox gives the audio pronunciations, but Konqueror does not.	Aug 28 01:23
cubexyz	your script returns a bunch of html	Aug 28 01:24
msb__	Which is interpreted by lynx.	Aug 28 01:24
cubexyz	yeah I tried it with curl	Aug 28 01:24
msb__	With dic, you can click on any of the dictionaries and see its definition. Also, there's usually a consensus definition at the bottom of the list of dictionaries.	Aug 28 01:26
cubexyz	here's one definiton of cube I haven't heard of before:	Aug 28 01:26
cubexyz	pharmacosiderite	Aug 28 01:27
msb__	a mineral formed when a drugstore crashes to earth at escape velocity	Aug 28 01:28
cubexyz	haha	Aug 28 01:28
msb__	Actually, Greek Farmakon means poison.	Aug 28 01:29
cubexyz	pharmakos	Aug 28 01:30
cubexyz	yikes	Aug 28 01:31
msb__	Google: medicine cause-of-death	Aug 28 01:34
msb__	http://www.lifeextension.com/Magazine/2004/3/awsi_death/Page-01	Aug 28 01:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.lifeextension.com \| Death by Medicine - 1 - Life Extension [ http://ur1.ca/nkv65 ]		Aug 28 01:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Linux continues to rule the cloud	Aug 28 01:36
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/1G6DzDaFcJ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 28 01:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkv66	Aug 28 01:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Linux continues to rule the cloud \| Tux Machines		Aug 28 01:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mozilla Releases Firefox 40.0.3 Hotfix to Plug	Aug 28 01:36
TweetTuxMachines	GStreamer and DisplayLink Bugs	Aug 28 01:36
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/m7H8APnjLk (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 28 01:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkv67	Aug 28 01:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Mozilla Releases Firefox 40.0.3 Hotfix to Plug GStreamer and DisplayLink Bugs \| Tux Machines		Aug 28 01:36
msb__	"...the total number of deaths caused by conventional medicine is an astounding 783,936 per year. It is now evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the US. (By contrast, the number of deaths attributable to heart disease in 2001 was 699,697, while the number of deaths attributable to cancer was 553,251"	Aug 28 01:36
msb__	Adequate dosage of Vitamin C will remedy all viral infections, but the medical industry denies this and pushes antiviral vaccines instead, which cause a lot of injury and some death.	Aug 28 01:38
cubexyz	when you say death by conventional medicine can you give an example?	Aug 28 01:51
msb__	Adverse reactions from drugs.,	Aug 28 01:51
cubexyz	it's not really the doctor's fault if someone gets heart disease	Aug 28 01:52
msb__	Babies dropping dead after they're given dozens of vaccines at once.	Aug 28 01:52
msb__	Statin drugs block the pathway by which the body synthesizes CoQ-10, which the heart very much needs. The result, IIRC, is that statin drugs do not extend life.	Aug 28 01:56
msb__	The newly discovered substance GcMAF, which occurs naturally in the body, appears to be a universal cure for cancer. The FDA, totally controlled by drug companies, has banned it.	Aug 28 02:01
msb__	http://www.naturalnews.com/050582_nagalase_GcMAF_cancer_industry_profits.html	Aug 28 02:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.naturalnews.com \| REVEALED: Cancer industry profits 'locked in' by nagalase molecule injected into humans via vaccines... spurs tumor growth... explains aggressive vaccine push - NaturalNews.com [ http://ur1.ca/nb6td ]		Aug 28 02:02
msb__	https://web.archive.org/web/20140911015616/http://www.petgcmaf.com/list-of-gcmaf-research-papers/	Aug 28 02:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org \| List of GcMAF Research Papers [ http://ur1.ca/nf812 ]		Aug 28 02:02
cubexyz	banned it for what reason?	Aug 28 02:03
msb__	It's a crime to use a non-approved drug to cure cancer.	Aug 28 02:04
DaemonFC	The FDA has done some crooked things, but I don't believe for one second that they're withholding a cancer cure.	Aug 28 02:05
DaemonFC	Reagan used them to block approval of HIV treatments so that more gay people would die.	Aug 28 02:05
DaemonFC	That's probably the worst thing they ever did, and it was because of his people.	Aug 28 02:05
DaemonFC	Republicans worship the fetus, but life is actually pretty cheap to them. Once some people they hate are dying or starving, they gleefully let it happen.	Aug 28 02:07
msb__	ok, I have to make a web page of GcMAF links, which I have a lot of. Might take an hour or so. But meanwhile, look at this page on apoptosis promoters, and watch the video: http://cosmicpenguin.com/cancer/	Aug 28 02:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com \| Cancer -- New Natural Remedies!		Aug 28 02:08
DaemonFC	Would this be like the time Dr. Oz had a woman on his show that claimed that cancer was curable by a "zapper" that resembled a scientology e-meter, and then she died of cancer?	Aug 28 02:09
DaemonFC	These people are fucking evil.	Aug 28 02:10
DaemonFC	At least there's poetic justice, sometimes.	Aug 28 02:10
msb__	DaemonFC: You've been brainwashed by the FDA.	Aug 28 02:11
DaemonFC	I have not.	Aug 28 02:11
DaemonFC	You notice that all this worthless alternative medicine crap doesn't stand up to the Scientific Method. Ever.	Aug 28 02:11
DaemonFC	You notice that Steve Jobs tried all of it and then died of cancer?	Aug 28 02:11
cubexyz	Jobs tried GcMAF?	Aug 28 02:12
DaemonFC	The Apple board of directors was biting their knuckles while he did all this worthless bullshit while the cancer spread and became terminal.	Aug 28 02:12
DaemonFC	Well, by the time he decided to do chemo, it was too late.	Aug 28 02:12
DaemonFC	If he had done it immediately, there's a good chance he would still be alive today.	Aug 28 02:13
cubexyz	but isn't caner of the pancreas often fatal?	Aug 28 02:13
cubexyz	s/caner/cancer/	Aug 28 02:13
cubexyz	95% fatal	Aug 28 02:14
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msb__	http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/199x/landwehr-r-j_orthomol_med-1991-v6-n2-p99.htm	Aug 28 02:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.seanet.com \| The Origin of the 42-Year Stonewall of Vitamin C [ http://ur1.ca/nkvjm ]		Aug 28 02:15
cubexyz	earlier stages show no symptoms	Aug 28 02:15
DaemonFC	Yeah, every health agency all over the world is suppressing a cancer cure, sure.	Aug 28 02:15
DaemonFC	Whatever?	Aug 28 02:15
msb__	Vitamin C was curing polio in the 1940s, but this knowledge was suppressed. Both polio vaccines were contaminated with SV-40, which has caused millions of cancers.	Aug 28 02:16
DaemonFC	I've had a flu shot every year since 1995.	Aug 28 02:16
DaemonFC	You said those are a government conspiracy to kill people. Well, any damned time now. LOL	Aug 28 02:17
msb__	Good for you. That greatly increases your chance of getting Alzheimer's.	Aug 28 02:17
DaemonFC	citation needed	Aug 28 02:17
DaemonFC	Maybe a scientific study showing that?	Aug 28 02:17
DaemonFC	No?	Aug 28 02:17
msb__	DaemonFC: Did you view the apoptosis video? Did you read the polio article?	Aug 28 02:17
DaemonFC	I mean, if Mercola is your only friend, then you need to give up.	Aug 28 02:18
DaemonFC	Just because someone says something doesn't make it true.	Aug 28 02:18
DaemonFC	Lots of people are talking bullshit all of the time.	Aug 28 02:18
msb__	DaemonFC: Did you view the apoptosis video? Did you read the polio article?	Aug 28 02:18
DaemonFC	An article? I can write an article documenting my firsthand experience with the Flying Spaghetti Monster.	Aug 28 02:19
DaemonFC	It probably won't stand up to the scientific method.	Aug 28 02:19
msb__	DaemonFC: So you refuse to examine the evidence?	Aug 28 02:19
DaemonFC	I'm going to leave that to the people who specialize in that and can show that it works and that their findings are reproducible.	Aug 28 02:20
DaemonFC	It does us no good to listen to one person rambling about something.	Aug 28 02:20
DaemonFC	If you're going to believe any statement that anyone makes, then you're going to fall for everything.	Aug 28 02:21
DaemonFC	You're like those people pitching those fuel saving devices that don't work.	Aug 28 02:21
DaemonFC	The EPA tested them all, and so did Mythbusters.	Aug 28 02:21
DaemonFC	The EPA is required to test them all by law. An energy policy law dating back to the 1970s oil embargoes.	Aug 28 02:22
DaemonFC	You keep talking even when things are not going in your favor.	Aug 28 02:23
DaemonFC	If there's some plot to "depopulate" the Earth, then it's not achieving its goals.	Aug 28 02:23
DaemonFC	The population is on track to hit 12 billion by 2050.	Aug 28 02:23
msb__	DaemonFC: you keep lying, bringing in things that have nothing to do with the discussion.	Aug 28 02:24
DaemonFC	Ecological collapse killing a bunch of people at some point is a concern, but nobody is doing anything about it.	Aug 28 02:24
msb__	The plot is to make money, not depopulate.	Aug 28 02:24
DaemonFC	Whatever.	Aug 28 02:25
DaemonFC	If the plot is to make money, then why are the anti-vaxxer crowds keeping diseases around that could be wiped out?	Aug 28 02:25
DaemonFC	If everyone took the MMR, then those diseases would disappear and nobody would ever have to take the MMR again.	Aug 28 02:25
DaemonFC	So, what would you like to say about that?	Aug 28 02:25
msb__	Vitamin C cures measles immediately.	Aug 28 02:26
DaemonFC	Sounds to me like the anti-vaxxers are driving the profits of the drug companies by making people require vaccines forever for diseases that could wiped off the planet in under 5 years.	Aug 28 02:26
DaemonFC	No it doesn't.	Aug 28 02:26
DaemonFC	Vitamin C prevents vitamin C deficiency.	Aug 28 02:27
DaemonFC	End of story.	Aug 28 02:27
DaemonFC	We'll forever be cursed with snake oil salesmen peddling hokum because the government won't do anything about them.	Aug 28 02:28
msb__	I watched it do so. A young boy was diagnosed by his doctor with measles. He had fever, rash, delirium. His mother gave him a couple of grams of C and the symptoms disappeared. They came back after several hours, so she repeated the dose every few hours for several days, then tapered off. He was cured.	Aug 28 02:28
DaemonFC	Taking the fake medicine shit off the shelves would be a good thing.	Aug 28 02:28
DaemonFC	As bad as the US is, the UK is even worse.	Aug 28 02:29
DaemonFC	The NHS puts taxpayers there on the hook for worthless homeopathic folk remedies.	Aug 28 02:29
msb__	DaemonFC: You are output-only. You spew the govt/corporate propaganda but refuse to examine any evidence. You refuse to do critical-thinking.	Aug 28 02:31
DaemonFC	The NHS and FDA consider lots of peer-reviewed studies, even stuff that people really know at some level is ridiculous, like prayer.	Aug 28 02:33
DaemonFC	They spend millions of dollars testing all sorts of bizarre things.	Aug 28 02:33
msb__	Vitamin C restores the chemical fuel -- NADPH -- that white cells use to fight viruses. That's how it works.	Aug 28 02:33
DaemonFC	It's legendary.	Aug 28 02:33
msb__	DaemonFC: Critical thinking requires that you examine evidence that contradicts your current beliefs. If you refuse to do that, errors in your thinking will never be corrected. I have given you two selected, worthwhile pieces of evidence for alternative medicine. Here's another: https://web.archive.org/web/20130302070632/http://www.orthomed.com/	Aug 28 02:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org \| Robert F. Cathcart, M.D. [ http://ur1.ca/n86jx ]		Aug 28 02:46
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 28 04:17
DaemonFC	The gun nuts are having a meltdown on Walmart's Facebook page about Walmart's decision to stop carrying the AR-15. The comments are usually misspelled and lack the proper punctuation and grammar. It's not like Walmart really has to worry about pissing them off, because it's not like those people can afford to go anywhere else. I'd be very surprised if a person who is serious about their guns buys one from Walmart. Walmart's suppliers all	Aug 28 04:17
DaemonFC	make cheap knock-offs of their own products for sale at Walmart only, with corners cut off of corners.	Aug 28 04:17
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6515918	Aug 28 06:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Sadly, to quite a lot of people RMS is a "nuisance" for starting the system which they use for free, Torvalds a celebrated hero. #gnu #linux		Aug 28 06:39
schestowitz	"A lot of good giving Nvidia the finger even did. Besides, people worshipped Torvalds long before he did that."	Aug 28 06:39
schestowitz	It was an embarrassment for both Nvidia and Torvalds	Aug 28 06:39
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6513751	Aug 28 06:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This headline is a lie http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2015/08/munich-officials-who-dumped-windows-for-linux-want-microsofts-os-back/ it's not the same officials, there's no change of mind, just 2 dissenting voices		Aug 28 06:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.gizmodo.co.uk \| Munich Officials Who Dumped Windows For Linux Want Microsoft's OS Back \| Gizmodo UK [ http://ur1.ca/nkg9j ]		Aug 28 06:39
schestowitz	"LOL, Microsoft Solitaire is now a subscription service or adware. I suppose that’s what Microsoft advocates want."	Aug 28 06:39
schestowitz	Maybe they can resolve this 'issue' by letting Sabine and her colleague come to work with a bug, a laptop with Windows and Skype on it.... and Solitaire.	Aug 28 06:40
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6515097	Aug 28 06:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Why #FreeBSD should not adopt #launchd http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/08/26/0/ #bsd #unix		Aug 28 06:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> blog.darknedgy.net \| Why FreeBSD should not adopt launchd [ http://ur1.ca/nkxr5 ]		Aug 28 06:41
schestowitz	"This is really interesting. Still don’t know what to think about it although we experience systemd. Don’t want to hurt init."	Aug 28 06:41
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DaemonFC	https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/36312.html	Aug 28 07:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org \| mjg59 \| Your Ubuntu-based container image is probably a copyright violation		Aug 28 07:11
DaemonFC	So, does that mean that they consider Linux Mint to be a copyright violation?	Aug 28 07:12
DaemonFC	They don't recompile everything and remove all references to Ubuntu.	Aug 28 07:12
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Aug 28 07:21
DaemonFC	1 hr · Edited ·	Aug 28 07:21
DaemonFC	Arbeit macht frei?	Aug 28 07:21
DaemonFC	This place is really covering their collective ass. Just in case the 'religious freedom" excuse isn't enough to practice psychotherapy without a license, they repeatedly tell you that they're not licensed psychotherapists on the forms that you have to sign.	Aug 28 07:21
DaemonFC	Of course, anything that ends with "Are you going to heaven when you die? (Yes/No) Why do you think that?" is probably something you should run from as fast as your legs can carry you.	Aug 28 07:21
DaemonFC	http://gawker.com/josh-duggar-s-sex-rehab-is-probably-just-another-chri-1726747380	Aug 28 07:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gawker.com \| Josh Duggar’s "Sex Rehab" Is Probably Just Another Christian Labor Camp [ http://ur1.ca/nky2v ]		Aug 28 07:21
DaemonFC	I guess this is the next logical step for "religious freedom" for for-profit entities after the unlicensed, uninspected Christian daycare centers where none of the children have been vaccinated against the measles.	Aug 28 07:23
DaemonFC	http://tunalawsuit.com/	Aug 28 07:24
DaemonFC	LMAO	Aug 28 07:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-name lookup timed out ( status 0 @ https://www.tunalawsuit.com )		Aug 28 07:24
DaemonFC	"The Lawsuit claims that StarKist Co. ("StarKist") under-filled certain 5 oz. canned tuna products in violation of state and federal law. StarKist denies that it underfilled its products and denies that it did anything wrong. The Court did not rule in favor of Plaintiff or StarKist. Instead, the parties agreed to a Proposed Settlement to avoid the expense and risks of continuing the lawsuit."	Aug 28 07:24
DaemonFC	So, because I bought a can of starkist tuna for about 80 cents and they shorted me half an ounce of tuna, they owe me $25.	Aug 28 07:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu: Wily Werewolf Beta 1 Released	Aug 28 07:48
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/JveC2f1mse (lists.ubuntu.com)	Aug 28 07:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkyap	Aug 28 07:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.ubuntu.com \| Wily Werewolf Beta 1 Released		Aug 28 07:48
DaemonFC	https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/11260903_10152959993356459_8858502712907769083_n.jpg?oh=8655d129eae27b23a6ced93c99e3b0e5&oe=567A7B4A	Aug 28 08:49
DaemonFC	People of Walmart	Aug 28 08:50
DaemonFC	https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11888131_10152957935441459_1674027769066142143_n.jpg?oh=a48745d2465abb6a3714f1f7b9d81d8b&oe=567768B2	Aug 28 08:50
DaemonFC	schestowitz, https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/windows-10/welcome/?utm_source=firefox-browser&utm_medium=firefox-browser	Aug 28 09:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mozilla.org \| Firefox + Windows 10. Perfect together. — Mozilla [ http://ur1.ca/nkzhd ]		Aug 28 09:17
DaemonFC	That's the new welcome page when you run Firefox on Windows 10.	Aug 28 09:18
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DaemonFC	https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/35110.html	Aug 28 09:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org \| mjg59 \| This is not the UEFI backdoor you are looking for		Aug 28 09:22
DaemonFC	"A PC motherboard vendor managed to leave the source code to their firmware on an open FTP server and copies leaked into the wild - if there's a ubiquitous backdoor, we'd expect to see it there."	Aug 28 09:22
DaemonFC	That must have been a sight.	Aug 28 09:22
DaemonFC	https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/33455.html	Aug 28 09:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mjg59.dreamwidth.org \| mjg59 \| On joining the FSF board		Aug 28 09:26
DaemonFC	Of course the big problem here is that the FSF now has a board member who refers to "Intellectual Property".	Aug 28 09:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Windows 10: is it finally time to migrate to	Aug 28 09:33
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu? http://t.co/i8UOy3TFfp	Aug 28 09:33
TweetTuxMachines	(insights.ubuntu.com)	Aug 28 09:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-insights.ubuntu.com \| Windows 10: is it finally time to migrate to Ubuntu? \| Ubuntu Insights		Aug 28 09:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nkzos	Aug 28 09:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Unity 8 Shows Off Task Switcher and Multiple	Aug 28 09:33
TweetTuxMachines	Desktops - Video http://t.co/2js43DbeQW	Aug 28 09:33
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Aug 28 09:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Unity 8 Shows Off Task Switcher and Multiple Desktops - Video - Softpedia		Aug 28 09:33
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DaemonFC	Kubuntu maybe	Aug 28 09:33
DaemonFC	15.10 when it gets a little more stable.	Aug 28 09:33
MinceR	not sure what's "perfect" about vista10	Aug 28 09:33
MinceR	perfectly broken?	Aug 28 09:33
MinceR	perfect invasion of privacy?	Aug 28 09:34
MinceR	102704 < DaemonFC> Of course the big problem here is that the FSF now has a board member who refers to "Intellectual Property".	Aug 28 09:34
MinceR	the big problem here is that the FSF doesn't care about freedom anymore	Aug 28 09:34
DaemonFC	MinceR, Wasn't Miguel de Icaza a member at one point.	Aug 28 09:34
DaemonFC	err ?	Aug 28 09:34
MinceR	i don't know	Aug 28 09:35
DaemonFC	They might as well have appointed Steve Ballmer.	Aug 28 09:35
MinceR	indeed	Aug 28 09:35
DaemonFC	Mono is effectively a Microsoft product now.	Aug 28 09:35
DaemonFC	They keep releasing .Net code under an MIT license (with no patent grant to people who end up running it) for inclusion in Mono.	Aug 28 09:36
DaemonFC	Isn't that a neat trick? They can give you the code and then sue you for running it.	Aug 28 09:36
msb_	Gurdjieff described many years ago how organizations change their direction degree by degree, until they are pointing in the opposite direction of where they started.	Aug 28 09:37
msb_	It's happened with the US govt, and now with systemd it looks like it's happening with GNU/Linux, and maybe with the FSF.	Aug 28 09:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 4MParted 13.1 Beta Is a Cool Small OS Based on	Aug 28 09:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Users Can Technically Dial a	Aug 28 09:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Archive Still Free Software	Aug 28 09:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/zdOVfiQUOS (jriddell.org)	Aug 28 09:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mozilla Releases Firefox 40.0.3 Hotfix to Plug	Aug 28 09:53
TweetTuxMachines	GStreamer and DisplayLink Bugs	Aug 28 09:53
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msb_	Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.	Aug 28 09:56
msb_	And Critical Thinking is the price of an accurate view of reality.	Aug 28 09:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 27/8/2015: ownCloud Desktop Client 2.0,	Aug 28 10:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "KDE sprints are intensive sessions centered	Aug 28 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	around coding." https://t.co/WLH1VRT69R	Aug 28 11:00
TweetTuxMachines	(dot.kde.org)	Aug 28 11:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is Office 365 cheaper than OpenOffice and open	Aug 28 11:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Rugged Bay Trail Pico-ITX SBC has multiple	Aug 28 11:01
TweetTuxMachines	expansion paths http://t.co/fFeONSTRN8	Aug 28 11:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Zbackup 1.4.3 Has Been Released. Install It On	Aug 28 11:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Upcoming #GPS Navigation App for #Ubuntu Touch	Aug 28 11:42
TweetTuxMachines	Will Be Amazing, Says Developer	Aug 28 11:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mycroft's AI Could Power Ubuntu's Unity and	Aug 28 11:43
TweetTuxMachines	Give Users Voice Control http://t.co/MRlyi0rjDK	Aug 28 11:43
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Company of Heroes 2 Released on Mac and Linux	Aug 28 11:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Kylin 15.10 Beta 1 Is Out with Updated	Aug 28 11:49
TweetTuxMachines	Software Center, Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS	Aug 28 11:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Carmageddon: Reincarnation Is Still Coming to	Aug 28 11:49
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msb_	still doesn't make the gui	Aug 28 12:52
cubexyz	I guess no one here used ksirc?	Aug 28 12:52
XRevan86	msb_: It requires gtk+-2.0 >= 2.24.0	Aug 28 12:53
XRevan86	https://github.com/hexchat/hexchat/blob/master/configure.ac#L195	Aug 28 12:53
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msb_	looks like my gtk is 2.22	Aug 28 12:55
msb_	later not in repo	Aug 28 12:55
cubexyz	XRevan86, are they selling chromebooks in Russia?	Aug 28 12:56
XRevan86	cubexyz: I think so.	Aug 28 12:56
cubexyz	just bought one the other day... they're not bad	Aug 28 12:56
XRevan86	cubexyz: At least I saw one on Linux Fest :).	Aug 28 12:56
msb_	I do have xchat 2.8.8 -- how good is that?	Aug 28 12:56
cubexyz	it's fine	Aug 28 12:56
cubexyz	I'm like running xchat 2.8.6 right now	Aug 28 12:57
cubexyz	cubelog is running 2.0.7 which is also fine	Aug 28 12:57
cubexyz	I'm a practical person... it does the job	Aug 28 12:58
cubexyz	at some point you get upgrade fatigue	Aug 28 12:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Croatian policy encourages open source adoption	Aug 28 13:00
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/XQaU218pNw (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 28 13:00
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cubexyz	no one buys a new toaster every year	Aug 28 13:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Ubuntu http://t.co/2vU6ucZr6R	Aug 28 13:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Kylin 15.10 Beta 1 Is Out with Updated	Aug 28 13:00
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cubexyz	it's just not necessary	Aug 28 13:00
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cubexyz	a battery is a consumeable item	Aug 28 13:01
cubexyz	but IRC clients are pretty feature complete and stable	Aug 28 13:01
cubexyz	no reason to endlessly upgrade your irc client	Aug 28 13:01
msb_	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxYs0qeHX_Q	Aug 28 13:14
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msb_	Great investigation!	Aug 28 13:14
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 28 13:17
DaemonFC	It's pretty well known that since faith healers can't actually heal anyone, they never have anyone that's visibly disabled on the stage. Don't tell that to my mom though. She'll go nuts.	Aug 28 13:17
DaemonFC	Ironically, although Benny Hinn claims to be a healer, he has had an AFib for 20 years. It'll be hilarious if the fraud has a heart attack and falls over dead on stage. With all the cell phones that people have now, it'll be all over YouTube right away, and Gawker. :)	Aug 28 13:17
cubexyz	we can only hope	Aug 28 13:17
msb_	DaemonFC: Are you trying to connect prayer and faith healing with alternative medicine like vitamin C, CoQ-10, GcMAF, etc.?	Aug 28 13:18
DaemonFC	It belongs together. Not technically related, other than being a big shitpile of fucking nonsense.	Aug 28 13:19
msb_	DaemonFC: But you refused to access the 3 sources I suggested -- video on dichloroacetate for cancer, a broadcast news story; article on cures of polio by Vit. C, Cathcart's website - used C for thousands of patients.	Aug 28 13:21
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 28 13:22
DaemonFC	Wouldn't you love to see the Pay-Per-View list on Josh Duggar's hotel bills? I hope he billed all the porn to the Family Research Council.	Aug 28 13:22
msb_	DaemonFC: I'm saving your lying smears of alt. medicine. So far I have "this worthless alternative medicine crap" and "big shitpile of fucking nonsense".	Aug 28 13:23
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DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 28 13:27
DaemonFC	As to the "dirty and evil" part, I appreciate the people who drop the religious crap and just tell me that they think that gay sex is disgusting.	Aug 28 13:27
DaemonFC	I'm sure that they feel the same way about having anal with their girlfriend, or sticking it in a vagina that's menstruating for five days out of the month.	Aug 28 13:27
DaemonFC	Otherwise they'd be hypocrites.	Aug 28 13:27
msb_	DaemonFC: Does it make any difference to you that the mechanism of action of Vitamin C against viruses, CoQ-10 against congestive heart failure, and GcMAF against cancer are all known and have been scientifically proved?	Aug 28 13:27
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DaemonFC	Actually, Pauling's research was deeply flawed and it does not stand up to peer review because it's never been reproduced. The Mayo clinic proved that he was wrong.	Aug 28 13:29
msb_	Pauling's research on what? Modest doses of C against colds?	Aug 28 13:30
DaemonFC	I haven't been ignoring the claims. I look into things before I decide what to do, because I don't want to be had by some rotten trickster that makes off with my money for giving me a big fat placebo.	Aug 28 13:30
DaemonFC	Like acupuncture. No benefits at all, although sometimes they don't sterilize the needles and they give people HIV or Hep C or something.	Aug 28 13:30
msb_	You have to use larger doses, as produced by mammals of human bodyweight when they get viruses.	Aug 28 13:31
DaemonFC	That's probably not the result you wanted.	Aug 28 13:31
msb_	acupuncture has nothing to do with this	Aug 28 13:31
DaemonFC	Well, I figured you'd go there eventually.	Aug 28 13:31
DaemonFC	In for a penny, in for a pound.	Aug 28 13:31
msb_	go where?	Aug 28 13:31
msb_	mammals other than apes and guinea pigs produce about 70grams per day of vitamin C when they have a serious viral infection. Since the C is used up quantitatively by the white cells, that's how much you have to use.	Aug 28 13:33
msb_	And it works.	Aug 28 13:34
DaemonFC	When peer reviewed studies prove that massive doses do something other than give you diarrhea, I'll look into it again.	Aug 28 13:34
msb_	Such studies cost many millions of dollars, but no one will do them because there's little profit in selling vitamin C.	Aug 28 13:35
msb_	But I and everyone I know who uses it on people and pets for viruses report success.	Aug 28 13:36
msb_	So do Cathcart and other doctors.	Aug 28 13:37
msb_	Many veterinarians use it also.	Aug 28 13:38
DaemonFC	Nonsense. That's what NIH grants do.	Aug 28 13:39
msb_	What? Finance multimillion dollar studies on non-patentable remedies?	Aug 28 13:40
msb_	What motivation would anyone have to request such a grant? Doctors who use C have plenty of patients already.	Aug 28 13:41
DaemonFC	Yeah, that's what they're there for.	Aug 28 13:42
msb_	DaemonFC: As to those who remain voluntarily ignorant by refusing to examine the data, too bad for them.	Aug 28 13:42
msb_	What motivation would anyone have to request such a grant? Doctors who use C have plenty of patients already.	Aug 28 13:42
DaemonFC	To prove that it actually works without folksy anecdotes.	Aug 28 13:42
DaemonFC	Just a guess.	Aug 28 13:43
msb_	Another smear! folksy anecdotes	Aug 28 13:43
msb_	People who refuse to use critical thinking will simply die if they get a very serious viral infection. Evolution in action!	Aug 28 13:46
DaemonFC	I've been sick. My immune system functioned. I don't get sick very often.	Aug 28 13:47
DaemonFC	For example, the best way to avoid the flu is to get the vaccine.	Aug 28 13:47
DaemonFC	I get the vaccine every year. I've never had the flu.	Aug 28 13:47
DaemonFC	I know that concepts like immunity are not something you seem to understand.	Aug 28 13:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME 3.17.91 beta tarballs due (and more)	Aug 28 13:48
DaemonFC	Taking vitamin C and spending a miserable week in bed, or ending up in the hospital, is just dumb.	Aug 28 13:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz	Aug 28 13:48
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msb_	DaemonFC: more lies from you. I understand immunity, and I never get flu. I got it maybe 40 years ago, took C for two days, and it was gone.	Aug 28 13:50
DaemonFC	I took the MMR and never got Measles, Mumps, or Rubella.	Aug 28 13:51
DaemonFC	I took the Tetanus vaccine and get my boosters.	Aug 28 13:51
msb_	DaemonFC: you seem to be incapable of having a rational discussion without engaging in personal attacks and innuendo.	Aug 28 13:51
DaemonFC	Lockjaw sucks, but when people like you are insisting on living in the 19th century....	Aug 28 13:52
msb_	I am 70 years old and had measles etc before the vaccine.	Aug 28 13:52
DaemonFC	Just because you've lived to 70 doesn't prove a thing.	Aug 28 13:52
msb_	I have had tetanus shots also, you lying sack of shit.	Aug 28 13:52
DaemonFC	My grandfather on my mom's side lived to be 72.	Aug 28 13:53
msb_	I got measles etc before the mmr vaccine existed.	Aug 28 13:53
DaemonFC	He got cancer, went to Benny Hinn (the faith healer), said he was cured, and then died of cancer.	Aug 28 13:53
DaemonFC	Being old does't mean you're right.	Aug 28 13:53
msb_	I got measles etc before the mmr vaccine existed.	Aug 28 13:54
DaemonFC	I never have to worry about it.	Aug 28 13:54
DaemonFC	Most people don't, because only ignorant fools that don't really love their children would skip the vaccines.	Aug 28 13:54
DaemonFC	msb_, Here's one for you...	Aug 28 13:55
DaemonFC	No tricks. Just answer the question.	Aug 28 13:55
msb_	People who don't want their kids to take the chance of being crippled, brain-dead, or totally dead may also skip the vaccines.	Aug 28 13:55
msb_	At least the unnecessary ones.	Aug 28 13:56
DaemonFC	If the drug companies don't want to cure something because treating it makes you buy more drugs, then why did they recently develop cures for Hepatitis C that will cost less than the old drugs that suppressed it?	Aug 28 13:56
msb_	They make money either way.	Aug 28 13:56
DaemonFC	The reason they haven't cured HIV yet is because it's a tough nut to crack.	Aug 28 13:57
msb_	yes	Aug 28 13:57
DaemonFC	For one thing, the drugs DO wipe out every last virus from your bloodstream.	Aug 28 13:57
DaemonFC	But, the virus is also in your bone marrow, and will re-infect you if you ever stop taking the meds.	Aug 28 13:58
msb_	But that doesn	Aug 28 13:58
msb_	But that doesn't restore the damage to the immune system.	Aug 28 13:58
DaemonFC	Yes it does.	Aug 28 13:58
DaemonFC	The CD4 counts go right back up to normal levels.	Aug 28 13:58
msb_	A friend on the drugs still has a low T-cell count.	Aug 28 13:58
DaemonFC	How long and what drugs?	Aug 28 13:59
msb_	Also the drugs have some bad side effects.	Aug 28 13:59
DaemonFC	Sometimes, they have to change them, or give you a new combination.	Aug 28 13:59
msb_	But they are still the best course of action against HIV.	Aug 28 13:59
DaemonFC	Yeah. Well, Truvada can actually prevent the infection to begin with.	Aug 28 14:00
DaemonFC	They finally approved it for that. Bush was stalling that, for obvious reasons.	Aug 28 14:00
DaemonFC	The man is a monster.	Aug 28 14:00
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*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012		Aug 28 17:08
msb_	I ran the updatedb script manually as root -- and lived!	Aug 28 17:17
msb_	Can I rule the world now?	Aug 28 17:18
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cubexyz	sometimes I think it's a bit sinister that Gates is still around but Jobs and Kildall are dead	Aug 28 17:58
cubexyz	of course Jef Raskin is dead also	Aug 28 18:01
cubexyz	a lot of those folks were born in the 1940s	Aug 28 18:02
cubexyz	and even more unusual both Raskin and Jobs died of pancreatic cancer	Aug 28 18:06
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cubexyz	strange how grepping the logs don't show that	Aug 28 18:29
cubexyz	I know you were talking about it before	Aug 28 18:29
msb_	8/25 5:19pm PT in my log	Aug 28 18:34
cubexyz	ack, I've been spelling mitochondria wrong that's why	Aug 28 18:34
cubexyz	forgot the h	Aug 28 18:34
msb_	I looked for pqq	Aug 28 18:34
msb_	weird things happen. I couldn't "locate" a file which I could see was there. I think updatedb ran when its drive wasn't mounted, because rerunning it made it appear.	Aug 28 18:36
msb_	Usually it's pilot error.	Aug 28 18:37
cubexyz	grep isn't showing PQQ or pqq	Aug 28 18:37
cubexyz	well, it is, but it's matching it in the shortened URLs, not in the expected context	Aug 28 18:37
msb_	[Tuesday, August 25, 2015] [05:19:54 PM] <cubexyz> so yeah there's talk about PQQ	Aug 28 18:38
cubexyz	ok, now I understand	Aug 28 18:40
cubexyz	cube_log was out of commission then	Aug 28 18:41
cubexyz	so it didn't log that	Aug 28 18:41
cubexyz	cube_log needs improvement	Aug 28 18:42
cubexyz	"no mammalian PQQ-containing enzyme has been described"	Aug 28 18:43
cubexyz	yeah that is missing from the logs	Aug 28 18:44
cubexyz	it's in the logs now of course :)	Aug 28 18:44
cubexyz	I'd try PQQ	Aug 28 18:45
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cubexyz	there's http://ca.iherb.com/PQQ-BioPQQ	Aug 28 18:46
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msb_	http://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2011/2/generate-fresh-mitochondria-with-pqq/page-01	Aug 28 18:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.lifeextension.com \| Generate Fresh Mitochondria with PQQ – Life Extension [ http://ur1.ca/nl6zj ]		Aug 28 18:47
msb_	very cheap	Aug 28 18:47
msb_	DaemonFC should be here to see this.	Aug 28 18:49
cubexyz	so where does PQQ come from?	Aug 28 18:50
msb_	http://doctormurray.com/pqq-the-next-nutrient-superstar/	Aug 28 18:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-doctormurray.com \| Is PQQ the Next Nutrient Superstar?Dr. Michael Murray [ http://ur1.ca/nl718 ]		Aug 28 18:51
msb_	Nobody knows. It's distilled from the dew on certain exotic flowers during a full moon.	Aug 28 18:52
msb_	At that price it must be synthetic.	Aug 28 18:52
cubexyz	if it's in fruits and vegetables then one could simply eat more of those	Aug 28 18:53
cubexyz	ok it's in spinach, green pepper and parsley	Aug 28 18:54
cubexyz	ok, eat more spinach then	Aug 28 18:55
cubexyz	Popeye was right the whole time :)	Aug 28 18:55
cubexyz	it's just you would probably have to eat a lot of spinach to match the amount of PQQ in the supplements	Aug 28 18:56
msb_	http://www.naturalproductsinsider.com/blogs/supplement-perspectives/2014/05/natural-vs-synthetic-pqq.aspx	Aug 28 18:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.naturalproductsinsider.com \| Natural vs. Synthetic PQQ [ http://ur1.ca/nl73l ]		Aug 28 18:56
msb_	I think spinach has oxalate. Kidney stones!	Aug 28 18:57
msb_	Pills are best. You never know if cheap farming methods deplete some nutrients.	Aug 28 18:59
cubexyz	PQQ Disodium Salt	Aug 28 18:59
cubexyz	10-20 mg/day	Aug 28 18:59
msb_	Tiny amount of sodium.	Aug 28 18:59
msb_	You normally get a gram or two of Na/day.	Aug 28 19:00
cubexyz	well 10 mg is a tiny amount certainly	Aug 28 19:00
cubexyz	"no teratogenic effects observed in rats"	Aug 28 19:01
cubexyz	I guess that's good	Aug 28 19:02
msb_	Good. I hate monster rats.	Aug 28 19:02
msb_	I usually start with a quarter of a pill and see if it makes me see paisleys or anything.	Aug 28 19:04
cubexyz	humans aren't too great at processing new ideas	Aug 28 19:05
msb_	Some years ago some people into life extension suggested I try deprenyl. They took 1-2mg/day, so I tried 300ug, once. I was terrified for two weeks!	Aug 28 19:05
cubexyz	I mean Galileo was found guilty of heresy	Aug 28 19:06
cubexyz	for heliocentrism	Aug 28 19:06
msb_	I don't get the connection.	Aug 28 19:07
cubexyz	people take forever to try new things	Aug 28 19:07
cubexyz	DemonFC's reaction to your comments about alternative medicine is a perfect example of how people react to new things	Aug 28 19:08
cubexyz	new ideas	Aug 28 19:08
msb_	I don't take forever, but ramping up over a few days is safer for me.	Aug 28 19:08
cubexyz	they always reject them initially	Aug 28 19:08
cubexyz	how long did it take for the average joe to go from geocentrism to heliocentrism?	Aug 28 19:09
msb_	It's more than that with him. He's absorbed the pharma/govt propaganda, thoroughly.	Aug 28 19:09
cubexyz	I think it was over 100 years	Aug 28 19:09
cubexyz	how long before the average joe starts to use Linux has their main OS?	Aug 28 19:09
msb_	He parrots its propaganda.	Aug 28 19:09
cubexyz	s/has/as/	Aug 28 19:11
msb_	"big shitpile of fucking nonsense"	Aug 28 19:11
msb_	That's not just "Nahh, I don't believe it". He's been gotten to.	Aug 28 19:11
msb_	People don't realize the power and ubiquity of the Bernaysian Matrix.	Aug 28 19:12
cubexyz	dogmatic	Aug 28 19:12
cubexyz	narrow-minded	Aug 28 19:12
msb_	angry!	Aug 28 19:12
msb_	The Matrix is programmed into people in thousands of small steps. But the combined influence is enormous.	Aug 28 19:14
cubexyz	like McDonalds marketing to kids	Aug 28 19:17
cubexyz	although I don't think they do it as much these days	Aug 28 19:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why business should bet on open source	Aug 28 19:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/CzJWp5iY25 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 28 19:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nl7cr	Aug 28 19:20
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msb_	I think I took one bite of a McDonalds burger in my entire life. Fried fat!	Aug 28 19:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Second Successful Ubuntu Hackathon Ends in	Aug 28 19:20
TweetTuxMachines	China http://t.co/wx7YDsBZSY	Aug 28 19:20
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 28 19:20
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msb_	This Ubuntu Hackathon and KDE Akademy scares me. What if they come up with a new "improvement" to Linux that all the distros adopt, and now you have to stand on your head and whistle "Dixie" in order to run a program.	Aug 28 19:28
cubexyz	use what you like, discard what you don't	Aug 28 19:29
cubexyz	I'm using parts of KDE 3.5.10 -> klipper, konsole, kmix combined with icewm	Aug 28 19:30
cubexyz	I also combined mwm with vdesk	Aug 28 19:31
cubexyz	so now I have mwm with virtual desktops	Aug 28 19:31
cubexyz	it's just that the new KDE crowd don't value what I value	Aug 28 19:32
cubexyz	they don't care if you need 2 gigs of ram or a 2 gigahertz cpu to run it	Aug 28 19:33
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r_schestowitz	[21:24] <cubexyz> ending up getting the HP 14-x010ca chromebook	Aug 28 20:02
r_schestowitz	I had one	Aug 28 20:03
r_schestowitz	Did you already get it?	Aug 28 20:03
r_schestowitz	If you install GNU/Linux on it, I can give some pointers based on my experience	Aug 28 20:03
cubexyz	haven't installed crouton yet	Aug 28 20:03
r_schestowitz	If you're going to dual-boot, don't.	Aug 28 20:06
r_schestowitz	Esp. if it's Tengra	Aug 28 20:06
r_schestowitz	I found many issues	Aug 28 20:06
r_schestowitz	NetworkManager causes freezes	Aug 28 20:06
r_schestowitz	so needs to be replaced with another network manager	Aug 28 20:07
r_schestowitz	colour is BGR instead of RGB	Aug 28 20:07
r_schestowitz	X bug	Aug 28 20:07
r_schestowitz	depending on what build you use	Aug 28 20:07
r_schestowitz	sound doesn't work (I spent hours trying many things)	Aug 28 20:07
r_schestowitz	and external screen/dual head doesn't work	Aug 28 20:07
r_schestowitz	with crouton you might be more lucky	Aug 28 20:08
cubexyz	I assume crouton doesn't use dual-boot?	Aug 28 20:08
r_schestowitz	/s/Tengra/Tegra	Aug 28 20:08
r_schestowitz	no, it runs it within chromeos	Aug 28 20:08
r_schestowitz	under the 'browser'	Aug 28 20:08
r_schestowitz	but it's effectively a desktop within a desktop, and you're not seeing this unless you git some magic keys	Aug 28 20:08
r_schestowitz	my wife runs it like that on Acer Chromebook 15	Aug 28 20:09
r_schestowitz	it's stable	Aug 28 20:09
r_schestowitz	and everything works well	Aug 28 20:09
r_schestowitz	setting up some things takes little effort	Aug 28 20:09
r_schestowitz	hardest thing was setting up CUPS to enable printing	Aug 28 20:09
r_schestowitz	and sound device switching, which ChromeOS takes over	Aug 28 20:09
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cubexyz	I thought this was worth sharing:	Aug 28 20:21
cubexyz	http://www.theoceancleanup.com/blog/show/item/responding-to-critics.html	Aug 28 20:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theoceancleanup.com \| Responding to critics: The Ocean Cleanup, developing technologies to extract, prevent and intercept plastic pollution [ http://ur1.ca/nl81e ]		Aug 28 20:21
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cubexyz	I didn't realize that Jean-Louis Gassee was involved with apple computer before founding Be Inc	Aug 28 21:25
cubexyz	I really prefer my old 4:3 monitors to the new ones	Aug 28 21:27
cubexyz	one misses the extra vertical space, especially when programming	Aug 28 21:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Developer lowers Drupal's barrier to entry	Aug 28 21:43
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/m5anB3VrIZ (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 28 21:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nl8wt	Aug 28 21:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Developer lowers Drupal's barrier to entry \| Tux Machines		Aug 28 21:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Developers Discuss Codenames, GNOME 3.18	Aug 28 21:43
TweetTuxMachines	Might be Dubbed "Gothenburg"	Aug 28 21:43
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/FjjFjHCrRq (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 28 21:43
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wayland in Fedora 23 Linux Allows for Use of	Aug 28 21:43
TweetTuxMachines	Multiple Monitors with Different DPIs	Aug 28 21:43
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/bSdNW4qdbj (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 28 21:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nl8ww	Aug 28 21:43
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MinceR	get bigger monitors :>	Aug 28 22:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NetworkManager 1.0.6 brings metered connections	Aug 28 23:13
TweetTuxMachines	API and more http://t.co/LbEwGwSqNX	Aug 28 23:13
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 28 23:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Leftovers http://t.co/kUmsRR60Pe	Aug 28 23:13
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 28 23:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat and Fedora http://t.co/WAXsRlqOjA	Aug 28 23:13
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 28 23:13
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MinceR	i don't know	Aug 28 23:19
MinceR	oops, wrong paste	Aug 28 23:19
MinceR	https://newmatilda.com/2015/08/26/13-simple-exciting-ways-lose-your-citizenship-tony-abbotts-team-australia	Aug 28 23:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-newmatilda.com \| 13 Simple But Exciting Ways To Lose Your Citizenship In Tony Abbott's Team Australia \| newmatilda.com [ http://ur1.ca/nl9zh ]		Aug 28 23:19
MinceR	end of rule of law in australia?	Aug 28 23:19
MinceR	"no conviction is needed for the above to happen"	Aug 28 23:20
MinceR	apparently also end of freedom of speech	Aug 28 23:22
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MinceR	https://tlhp.cf/lennart-poettering-su/	Aug 28 23:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tlhp.cf \| Lennart Poettering merged “su” command replacement into systemd: Test Drive on Fedora Rawhide \| The Linux Homefront Project		Aug 28 23:27
DaemonFC	MinceR, I hope that's an Onion article.	Aug 28 23:32
MinceR	unfortunately, it isn't	Aug 28 23:33
MinceR	i was hoping lendows was just an april 1 joke gone too far	Aug 28 23:33
DaemonFC	"Well, there have been long discussions about this, but the problem is that what "su" is supposed to do is very unclear."	Aug 28 23:33
MinceR	but it just keeps going and going	Aug 28 23:33
DaemonFC	Uhhhm, no. It's very clear.	Aug 28 23:33
DaemonFC	If you have trouble, read the manpage. :)	Aug 28 23:33
MinceR	also, apparently poettering was unable to find `su -`	Aug 28 23:33
MinceR	documentation is not "modern" anymore, apparently	Aug 28 23:34
cubexyz	so much for Fedora... it's a pity	Aug 28 23:34
MinceR	pulling stuff out of one's ass is the new thing to do	Aug 28 23:34
MinceR	fedora always sucked	Aug 28 23:34
MinceR	their package manager sucks, their backer (redcrap) sucks, their attitude sucks	Aug 28 23:34
MinceR	their DE sucks	Aug 28 23:34
cubexyz	what DE?	Aug 28 23:35
DaemonFC	Now you have to relearn the entire operating system because they decided that coreutils aren't good enough.	Aug 28 23:35
DaemonFC	Fuuuuuuuuuck	Aug 28 23:35
MinceR	gnome	Aug 28 23:35
cubexyz	but FC1 had KDE	Aug 28 23:35
MinceR	by default?	Aug 28 23:35
cubexyz	can't remember	Aug 28 23:35
DaemonFC	MinceR, It doesn't look to me like they've added anything.	Aug 28 23:35
DaemonFC	They just changed the commands.	Aug 28 23:35
DaemonFC	And declared it to be part of systemd	Aug 28 23:36
MinceR	they also made the implementation impossibly baroque	Aug 28 23:36
MinceR	most likely	Aug 28 23:36
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/old-desktop-2005.png	Aug 28 23:36
DaemonFC	Charlie Kravetz: I see problems for the physically disabled unless the timer is able to be set by the user. Many of us can not hit any key three times in one second.	Aug 28 23:36
MinceR	poettering hates disabled people?	Aug 28 23:37
cubexyz	I used konstruct to add KDE 3.4.2 to FC1	Aug 28 23:37
DaemonFC	So, they're also throwing away their Americans with Disabilities Act compliance and making Fedora and Red Hat desktop operating systems unusable by publicly funded organizations such as libraries? Perfect.	Aug 28 23:37
MinceR	:)	Aug 28 23:37
cubexyz	Red Hat funded GNOME but Red Hat did not invent GNOME	Aug 28 23:38
MinceR	they do seem to be in control, though	Aug 28 23:38
cubexyz	anyways Redhat 6.1 and Redhat 8 were fine	Aug 28 23:38
MinceR	gnome shares the same idiotic mindset as systemd and redcrap	Aug 28 23:39
cubexyz	the crappy stuff came later	Aug 28 23:39
DaemonFC	No, back in the day, GNOME was mostly a Ximian thing that was loosely affiliated with the Free Software Foundation.	Aug 28 23:39
cubexyz	GNOME was from GNU was it not?	Aug 28 23:39
MinceR	and the FSF kept supporting gnome even after gnome stabbed them in the back repeatedly	Aug 28 23:40
DaemonFC	Eazel spent a lot of money making Nautilus a very nice program, and then went out of business. GNOME later went back and removed all of the features.	Aug 28 23:40
MinceR	yes, it's part of the GNU Project	Aug 28 23:40
DaemonFC	MinceR, sort of.	Aug 28 23:40
MinceR	iirc it stands for GNU Network Object Model Environment	Aug 28 23:40
DaemonFC	They've threatened to leave a number of times because some GNOME developers don't like the FSF.	Aug 28 23:40
MinceR	one of gnome's default applications is tomboy, which depends on mono	Aug 28 23:40
MinceR	apparently they've poisoned the well instead	Aug 28 23:41
DaemonFC	It's not a default application. It's one of the applications they host development of though.	Aug 28 23:41
MinceR	gnome has become useless and toxic	Aug 28 23:41
MinceR	then why is tomboy prominently featured here? https://www.gnome.org/applications/	Aug 28 23:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnome.org \| Applications – GNOME		Aug 28 23:42
cubexyz	xchat uses gtk	Aug 28 23:42
MinceR	and there's also banshee, right in the #1 spot	Aug 28 23:42
DaemonFC	So is Banshee, but you almost never get that unless you install it.	Aug 28 23:42
DaemonFC	Rhythmbox is the default on most distributions.	Aug 28 23:42
cubexyz	MinceR, we need a new distro	Aug 28 23:42
MinceR	we need a clean gnu/linux	Aug 28 23:43
DaemonFC	https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Apps/Gnote?action=show&redirect=Gnote	Aug 28 23:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Apps/Gnote?action=show&redirect=Gnote )		Aug 28 23:43
DaemonFC	The Tomboy developers were freaking out about this.	Aug 28 23:43
cubexyz	gqview and xchat, two gtk programs I use every day	Aug 28 23:45
cubexyz	not to mention firefox	Aug 28 23:45
MinceR	i use plenty	Aug 28 23:45
MinceR	but i can just keep using gtk2 and qt4	Aug 28 23:46
cubexyz	have you ever tried FLWM?	Aug 28 23:47
MinceR	not yet	Aug 28 23:48
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6520307	Aug 28 23:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "NO NO NO systemd does it better because <insert confusing buzzwords that will bamboozle executives and journalists>" https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/1022		Aug 28 23:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> github.com \| Add new "machinectl shell" command for su(1)-like behaviour by poettering · Pull Request #1022 · systemd/systemd · GitHub [ http://ur1.ca/nl647 ]		Aug 28 23:50
schestowitz	"I don’t know about better, but systemd always does things easier and more consistently."	Aug 28 23:50
DaemonFC	Ryan Farmer	Aug 28 23:51
DaemonFC	Just now ·	Aug 28 23:51
DaemonFC	She didn't take an oath to uphold the bible. She took an oath to uphold the United States Constitution. She has arrogantly said that she will ignore the Supreme Court if she doesn't like their ruling, and that she will not resign her $80,000 a year job.	Aug 28 23:51
DaemonFC	This means that someone will need to remove her from office for contempt of court and failing to follow her oath to uphold the Constitution.	Aug 28 23:51
DaemonFC	Oh, and where will she get another cushy job like this? That's her problem. Like most foul bureaucrats, she probably has no qualifications other than winning the last election in a yard sign war, but hey, Walmart is always hiring.	Aug 28 23:51
DaemonFC	http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2015/08/kentucky-clerk-asks-us-supreme-court-to-intervene-in-marriage-case/	Aug 28 23:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.lgbtqnation.com \| BREAKING: Kentucky clerk asks US Supreme Court to intervene in marriage case – LGBTQ Nation [ http://ur1.ca/nlabd ]		Aug 28 23:51
MinceR	distrowatch says fedora always had gnome by default	Aug 28 23:57
MinceR	http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=fedora	Aug 28 23:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com \| DistroWatch.com: Fedora [ http://ur1.ca/mt72d ]		Aug 28 23:57
MinceR	also, redmond^Wredhat [enterprise] linux always had gnome or nothing(?) >> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=redhat	Aug 28 23:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com \| DistroWatch.com: Red Hat Enterprise Linux [ http://ur1.ca/nlaes ]		Aug 28 23:57
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 28 23:59
DaemonFC	When Reagan emptied out the mental health hospitals and they went out to the streets, I think it was obvious that about 80 or 90% of the people that he dumped onto the streets really needed to be in an institution. We're talking about people who are totally detached from reality and are talking to the air in public. (No, not Christians. Schizophrenics. But you could be forgiven for the confusion caused by that ambiguity.)	Aug 28 23:59
DaemonFC	----	Aug 28 23:59
DaemonFC	An intern psychiatrist was shadowing another psychiatrist through a mental health hospital. He got to one of the patients and asked him, "Who are you, sir?". The patient responded, "I, sir, am Napoleon!". The intern asks, "And what makes you think that?". The patient replies, "God told me!". The man in the next bed leans over and shouts, "I MOST CERTAINLY DID NOT!". ;)	Aug 28 23:59
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cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/redhat-6.2.png	Aug 29 00:00
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MinceR	as the default, i mean	Aug 29 00:00
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MinceR	DaemonFC: lol	Aug 29 00:01
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DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 29 00:11
DaemonFC	The difference between an AI that can pass a turing test and a Republican is that an AI that can pass a turing test might exist sometime in the next 50 years.	Aug 29 00:11
DaemonFC	One of the biggest challenges for smart AI is the ability to comprehend natural language conversations. Trump's supporters are barely proficient in English to the point where the 800 word Basic English vocabulary is really putting a strain on their cognitive abilities.	Aug 29 00:11
DaemonFC	I mean, let's face it. I've had better conversations in English with the people you get on 1-800-COMCAST.	Aug 29 00:13
MinceR	i wonder if poettering could pass the turing test	Aug 29 00:14
cubexyz	some of the chatbots are decent	Aug 29 00:14
cubexyz	can't handle "shift the ascii values of your next reply by two" though :)	Aug 29 00:15
cubexyz	or "what is a ten letter word containing x and l	Aug 29 00:15
DaemonFC	MinceR, I had some strong words for the "Democrat" they're running against our current governor.	Aug 29 00:15
DaemonFC	I left them on the guy's campaign page on Facebook.	Aug 29 00:15
DaemonFC	Well that's just great. He describes himself as a born-again Christian and then shows how tolerant born-again Christians are with him. How do you deal with the American Taliban when they've already refused to even sit and talk with you? Said John Gregg, "I called some Christian groups who wouldn't meet with me because I was a Democrat. I was attacked by some of my fellow Christians because I campaigned for a gay man running for the State	Aug 29 00:16
DaemonFC	Senate. I was scorned by many pro-life groups because I belong to the Democrat Party." When will he quit trying to be the Diet Coke of Mike Pence? All that Mike Pence flavor, with just one little calorie. GTFO and run a real Democrat. If we're going to lose, we might as well not embarrass ourselves with this idiot in the process.	Aug 29 00:16
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msb__	Maybe those Christians think that the most important aspect of christianity is crucifying people.	Aug 29 01:43
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*Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org \| Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell		Aug 29 08:44
*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012		Aug 29 08:44
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SecurityDialog/status/637531085778354176	Aug 29 08:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SecurityDialog: Hooray! https://t.co/o6HyRkuOt2		Aug 29 08:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: So, beginning September 1, Chrome will no longer auto-play Flash-based ads https://t.co/tBCemDOy2C #killFlash		Aug 29 08:51
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/637532550018265088	Aug 29 08:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz A step in the right direction for an obsolete and inadequate format.		Aug 29 08:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines nsenter gains SELinux support	Aug 29 08:56
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TCXnOpgtxu	Aug 29 08:56
TweetTuxMachines	(danwalsh.livejournal.com)	Aug 29 08:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Three-quarters of WhatsApp users are on	Aug 29 08:56
TweetTuxMachines	Android, 22% on iOS (study)	Aug 29 08:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/5C7dCWNqSe (venturebeat.com)	Aug 29 08:57
TweetTuxMachines	#android far more dominant.	Aug 29 08:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-venturebeat.com \| Three-quarters of WhatsApp users are on Android, 22% on iOS (study) \| VentureBeat \| Apps \| by Paul Sawers		Aug 29 08:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Motorola, LG reportedly unveiling new Android	Aug 29 08:57
TweetTuxMachines	Wear smartwatches alongside ASUS and Huawei at	Aug 29 08:57
TweetTuxMachines	IFA 2015	Aug 29 08:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/3zkPDHCVKr (phandroid.com)	Aug 29 08:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel invests $60 million in drone venture	Aug 29 09:03
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/FL4vIvgXHt (linuxgizmos.com)	Aug 29 09:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Firefox 40.0.3 Arrives in All Ubuntu OSes	Aug 29 09:03
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/JefmVgJ2Nk (linux.softpedia.com)	Aug 29 09:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Firefox 40.0.3 Arrives in All Ubuntu OSes - Softpedia		Aug 29 09:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Developers Discuss Codenames, GNOME 3.18	Aug 29 09:03
TweetTuxMachines	Might be Dubbed "Gothenburg"	Aug 29 09:03
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Ipwxusq6vt (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 29 09:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Update on Wayland support in Fedora 23	Aug 29 09:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/NntkuiMkOq (fedoramagazine.org)	Aug 29 09:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/UhKghBzkoD (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 29 09:06
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Wayland in Fedora 23 Linux Allows for Use of Multiple Monitors with Different DPIs - Softpedia		Aug 29 09:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How to get genuinely free Android apps and free	Aug 29 09:06
TweetTuxMachines	Android games	Aug 29 09:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/NQ2OdoqVp1 (www.pcadvisor.co.uk)	Aug 29 09:06
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TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/OAcCE5MRRd (www.theguardian.com)	Aug 29 09:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Second Successful Ubuntu Hackathon Ends in	Aug 29 09:07
TweetTuxMachines	China http://t.co/z9XwuwLOBb	Aug 29 09:07
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Aug 29 09:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Getting more secure Android 6.0 Marshmallow	Aug 29 09:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/M99FEL2s1L (www.zdnet.com)	Aug 29 09:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Google details new runtime permissions in more secure Android 6.0 Marshmallow \| ZDNet		Aug 29 09:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/5zNUAHWKG4 (www.slashgear.com)	Aug 29 09:13
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TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ayD6uXxlcC (www.slashgear.com)	Aug 29 09:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Auto now has a desktop emulator for	Aug 29 09:13
TweetTuxMachines	developers http://t.co/likUDD3hwC	Aug 29 09:13
TweetTuxMachines	(thenextweb.com) http://t.co/M1YP0gFZyY	Aug 29 09:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Lubuntu 15.10 Beta 1 Still Doesn't Use LXQt,	Aug 29 09:13
TweetTuxMachines	Now Powered by Linux Kernel 4.1 LTS	Aug 29 09:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/KKlyAODzTI (linux.softpedia.com)	Aug 29 09:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME 3.17.91 beta tarballs due (and more)	Aug 29 09:22
TweetTuxMachines	(responsible: jjardon) http://t.co/Say4QfnqKE	Aug 29 09:22
TweetTuxMachines	(permalink.gmane.org)	Aug 29 09:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Unity Linux Experimental Build now available,	Aug 29 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	Supports Tizen http://t.co/jrt8iHt0lK	Aug 29 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tizenexperts.com)	Aug 29 09:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google Revamps How Apps Appear in Android	Aug 29 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	Search Results	Aug 29 09:23
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/srhmeblAIY (gadgets.ndtv.com)	Aug 29 09:23
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TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/dX5px1gG89 (www.engadget.com)	Aug 29 09:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com \| Google adds some visual flair to Android app searches		Aug 29 09:23
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/637540654969716736	Aug 29 09:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz @Mozilla kills #Firefox. They are cutting functionality and becoming yet another censor, like #Google https://t.co/KxL9itsJp8		Aug 29 09:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: #Bye, @Mozilla & @Firefox "will require all extensions to be validated and signed by Mozilla starting in Firefox 41" https://t.co/pVpWooPDM4		Aug 29 09:26
schestowitz	"GFWL 2.0 And DX12 is here"	Aug 29 09:31
schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxActionShow/comments/3iq4m6/microsoft_loves_linux_to_death_and_still_tries_to/	Aug 29 09:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com \| Microsoft Loves Linux to Death and Still Tries to Kill GNU/Linux : LinuxActionShow [ http://ur1.ca/nl5vz ]		Aug 29 09:31
__martin__	geekingsa	Aug 29 09:41
__martin__	w/o a*	Aug 29 09:41
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jonobacon/status/637543436451627008	Aug 29 09:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jonobacon: @schestowitz how am I making the case? I am expressly critical of Canonical's IP policy.		Aug 29 09:43
__martin__	..already installing uBlock for Mozilla out of their addons repo since their review process can be pain in the ass	Aug 29 09:43
schestowitz	the way I read this, a lot of Canonical's defences/apologism echoed, when in fact I hardly find these excusable	Aug 29 09:44
schestowitz	Desire for revenue is not a defence, ever.... it's the yuppie nuremberg principle	Aug 29 09:45
schestowitz	saying "IP" is also unhelpful	Aug 29 09:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Plasma 5.4 Enhances Linux Desktop	Aug 29 09:47
TweetTuxMachines	Experience http://t.co/qDYSzRh0Sw	Aug 29 09:47
TweetTuxMachines	(www.eweek.com)	Aug 29 09:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eweek.com \| KDE Plasma 5.4 Enhances Linux Desktop Experience		Aug 29 09:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CEO John Chen Says BlackBerry Devices Need More	Aug 29 09:47
TweetTuxMachines	Apps, but Won’t Confirm Android Plans	Aug 29 09:47
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/GPXbqMea2v (recode.net)	Aug 29 09:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-recode.net \| CEO John Chen Says BlackBerry Devices Need More Apps \| Re/code		Aug 29 09:47
schestowitz	the appeal for revenue is also repeated in the final paragraph, so I'm interpreting this as a false dichotomy of sorts..	Aug 29 09:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Now @jonobacon makes the case for canonical	Aug 29 09:47
TweetTuxMachines	monopolising blobs generated (compiled) not	Aug 29 09:47
TweetTuxMachines	from its source code http://t.co/x4dTYwzlzc	Aug 29 09:47
TweetTuxMachines	(www.jonobacon.org)	Aug 29 09:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jonobacon.org \| Ubuntu, Canonical, and IP \| jonobacon@home		Aug 29 09:47
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/637556436021714944	Aug 29 10:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @jdub Wow ! Reminds me of a # Google developer I met once :) @schestowitz		Aug 29 10:27
schestowitz	uncle Fester looks similar to Ballmer	Aug 29 10:27
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/637557848143216640	Aug 29 10:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz @jdub Went for an interview with Bil and Bal in Redmond once. I have to agree.		Aug 29 10:33
schestowitz	What year?	Aug 29 10:33
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/637558831556505600	Aug 29 10:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz @jdub Funny thing is Greg Stein walked out of M$ after he talked to me https://t.co/1cCveBfLxC http://t.co/kmlh93h89K		Aug 29 10:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> en.wikipedia.org \| Greg Stein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Aug 29 10:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz @jdub Funny thing is Greg Stein walked out of M$ after he talked to me https://t.co/1cCveBfLxC http://t.co/kmlh93h89K		Aug 29 10:37
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/637559004319903744	Aug 29 10:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz @jdub Oh.. can't remember now. Long time ago...		Aug 29 10:38
schestowitz	Pre GNU?	Aug 29 10:38
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/637560502156140544	Aug 29 11:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz @jdub Just about. I was talking to RMS well before that. Since the late 90's. I had to work out how to build the 1st Fosdem.		Aug 29 11:01
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/HadoopDaily/status/637573256208224256	Aug 29 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@HadoopDaily: #bigdata and #surveillance http://t.co/ifuvHyLtmk see the #hadoop connection to #nifi and #nsa now - via @schestowitz		Aug 29 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.forbes.com \| NSA Mass Surveillance: Biggest Big Data Story		Aug 29 11:32
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__martin__	MinceR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=15&v=hUfmONX7i60 (especially look at the comments below // dat rage)	Aug 29 12:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Lennart Poettering merged "su" command replacement into systemd - Test Drive on Fedora Rawhide - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nljs5 ]		Aug 29 12:32
cubexyz	they won't be happy until systemd is the entire OS	Aug 29 12:46
cubexyz	the mistake people make with software is that they immediately switch over to new versions without any critical thinking	Aug 29 12:48
cubexyz	it's just "oooh new shiny" then mindlessly install the new version	Aug 29 12:48
cubexyz	at the very least, keep your working system(s) and add another computer to test the new system	Aug 29 12:49
XRevan86	cubexyz: Are you talking about "su replacement" in systemd?	Aug 29 12:49
cubexyz	that's part of it	Aug 29 12:49
XRevan86	An isolated shell creator in machinectl	Aug 29 12:50
XRevan86	which Poettering never called a su replacement	Aug 29 12:50
XRevan86	I guess news just like to make a fuss.	Aug 29 12:51
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XRevan86	cubexyz: Sorry, but you don't sound convincing with such an example :).	Aug 29 12:53
XRevan86	Firefox, Firefox… new shiny problems.	Aug 29 12:53
cubexyz	it's a general divergence from Unix principles	Aug 29 12:54
cubexyz	and yes, new Firefox is worse than old Firefox	Aug 29 12:54
XRevan86	cubexyz: Having an option to start an isolated shell more like a new session?	Aug 29 12:54
cubexyz	'isolated shell'	Aug 29 12:55
cubexyz	what is that?	Aug 29 12:55
cubexyz	sounds like they copied a Microsoft idea	Aug 29 12:56
cubexyz	there's a restricted shell already	Aug 29 12:56
XRevan86	https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/825#issuecomment-127917622	Aug 29 12:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com \| RFE: machinectl to provide starting new session on local machine · Issue #825 · systemd/systemd · GitHub [ http://ur1.ca/nlk19 ]		Aug 29 12:57
XRevan86	That's what Lennart said.	Aug 29 12:57
cubexyz	su is not unclear	Aug 29 12:57
cubexyz	he's wrong	Aug 29 12:57
cubexyz	he's basically anti-Unix	Aug 29 12:58
XRevan86	> but it's not a full login, and shouldn't be mistaken for one	Aug 29 12:58
XRevan86	cubexyz: Is that wrong?	Aug 29 12:58
XRevan86	Is su a full login?	Aug 29 12:58
cubexyz	it's morphed over the years	Aug 29 13:00
cubexyz	in 1BSD it was to 'set user id'	Aug 29 13:01
cubexyz	it executed getpwid	Aug 29 13:01
XRevan86	cubexyz: And the idea behind "machinectl shell" is exactly to give a full login,	Aug 29 13:01
cubexyz	it reads /etc/passwd	Aug 29 13:02
XRevan86	and only that	Aug 29 13:02
XRevan86	Not to replace su for sure.	Aug 29 13:02
cubexyz	so for 30+ years we managed to run Unix without systemd	Aug 29 13:03
cubexyz	but now we can't?	Aug 29 13:03
XRevan86	So for centuries we managed to live our lives without PC's :).	Aug 29 13:03
XRevan86	cubexyz: I'm not saying anything about systemd being good or useful right now.	Aug 29 13:04
XRevan86	Just that this particular feature is not evil.	Aug 29 13:04
cubexyz	except 'we' didn't live for centuries, although the idea is appealing enough	Aug 29 13:04
cubexyz	I lived about one decade without PCs	Aug 29 13:04
cubexyz	there's some OSes which would be hard to defend	Aug 29 13:06
cubexyz	but Unix did a lot of things right	Aug 29 13:06
cubexyz	people really need to relook at Unix v7	Aug 29 13:06
msb__	XRevan86: Poettering is calling it a replacement for su: https://tlhp.cf/lennart-poettering-su/	Aug 29 13:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tlhp.cf \| Lennart Poettering merged “su” command replacement into systemd: Test Drive on Fedora Rawhide \| The Linux Homefront Project		Aug 29 13:07
cubexyz	I guess Poettering is saying he wants a "machine shell"	Aug 29 13:07
cubexyz	non-human shell	Aug 29 13:07
XRevan86	msb__: This is not his site.	Aug 29 13:08
XRevan86	msb__: I even know a guy whose website this is :).	Aug 29 13:08
cubexyz	my main question is what did they use before?	Aug 29 13:09
cubexyz	there's the restricted bash shell	Aug 29 13:09
XRevan86	… and a guy who started the bugreport %)	Aug 29 13:09
cubexyz	divergence from Unix, mark my words	Aug 29 13:10
cubexyz	I guess he looked at ioctl and figured well, I can have a bunch of somethingctl commands	Aug 29 13:15
cubexyz	ioctl came from v7, and really it's a bit arcane but that's where SysV got it from	Aug 29 13:16
schestowitz	Links 29/8/2015: NetworkManager 1.0.6, Systemd Merges “su” Command Replacement http://techrights.org/2015/08/29/networkmanager-1-0-6/	Aug 29 13:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 29/8/2015: NetworkManager 1.0.6, Systemd Merges “su” Command Replacement \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nlk8g ]		Aug 29 13:16
cubexyz	if someone said, ok you can still do things the old way, but there's also this new way you could try...	Aug 29 13:18
cubexyz	that would be different	Aug 29 13:18
cubexyz	but it's systemd's way or the highway and that's not acceptable	Aug 29 13:18
msb__	Is this new abomination going to churn a lot of programs so they are dependent on systemd, making it more difficult to eliminate systemd?	Aug 29 13:21
XRevan86	msb__: No.	Aug 29 13:22
cubexyz	GNOME has a systemd dependency	Aug 29 13:22
XRevan86	A completely non-controversial new feature.	Aug 29 13:22
XRevan86	And yet, such a feedback.	Aug 29 13:22
cubexyz	you can't get rid of systemd in trinity either	Aug 29 13:23
cubexyz	it's not optional	Aug 29 13:23
XRevan86	cubexyz: Is it systemd as whole or just logind?	Aug 29 13:23
msb__	The trinity devs said on their mailing-list that they would never use systemd.	Aug 29 13:23
msb__	They are opposed to it.	Aug 29 13:24
cubexyz	ok, then q4os borked it up	Aug 29 13:24
cubexyz	let me fire it up and I'll try to remove systemd and tell you what it says	Aug 29 13:25
msb__	If it threatens your immortal soul, don't believe it. Be strong!	Aug 29 13:26
msb__	systemd really _is_ a demon, and it lies!	Aug 29 13:27
msb__	The power of Thompson and Ritchie compels you!	Aug 29 13:33
cubexyz	ok, basically apt-get remove libsystemd will also remove kalgebra and kubrick and a ton of other programs	Aug 29 13:37
cubexyz	so maybe kubrick and kalgebra aren't trinity programs but KDE proper	Aug 29 13:38
XRevan86	cubexyz: Do you try to remove libjack?	Aug 29 13:39
XRevan86	libjack and libpulse – pure evil.	Aug 29 13:40
XRevan86	cubexyz: Straight to the point: stop removing libraries, you can't, stuff is linked to them.	Aug 29 13:41
XRevan86	even when stuff don't require JACK to operate, it still linked with libjack by a package maintainer	Aug 29 13:41
cubexyz	I could delete the files	Aug 29 13:43
cubexyz	libjack? let me try it	Aug 29 13:43
XRevan86	and break everything	Aug 29 13:43
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/637603068272623616	Aug 29 13:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Any idea why my Twitter feed is inlcuding GIFs when I copy and paste a URL into a tweet ? @schestowitz		Aug 29 13:44
schestowitz	I noticed that	Aug 29 13:44
XRevan86	cubexyz: When a program is dynamically linked to a shared library, it is not possible to remove a library without breaking everything except with recompilation.	Aug 29 13:45
XRevan86	Of course, in precompiled distributions maintainers try to link with every library possible in order to give users possibilities to use any feature possible.	Aug 29 13:46
XRevan86	If you use JACK and don't want to Gentoo everything, you'll appreciate that.	Aug 29 13:46
cubexyz	sorry, I can't sudo apt-get remove libsystemd-login0	Aug 29 13:46
XRevan86	Or libcups. What if maintainer hates printers?	Aug 29 13:47
XRevan86	cubexyz: Was it you who said kilobytes of libraries are still precious?	Aug 29 13:48
cubexyz	ok, this is exactly what it says when I try to remove libsystemd-login0:	Aug 29 13:48
XRevan86	and should be released	Aug 29 13:48
XRevan86	cubexyz: I can guess what it says.	Aug 29 13:48
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/q4os-remove-libsystemd-login0.txt	Aug 29 13:48
cubexyz	I'd have to uninstall kdebase-trinity	Aug 29 13:49
XRevan86	cubexyz: This is not systemd, this is libsystemd.	Aug 29 13:49
XRevan86	Stop deleting libraries, they mean nothing.	Aug 29 13:49
cubexyz	I didn't delete anything	Aug 29 13:50
XRevan86	> when I try to remove libsystemd-login0	Aug 29 13:50
XRevan86	cubexyz: You tried.	Aug 29 13:50
cubexyz	I merely typed in the command then I didn't complete it	Aug 29 13:50
cubexyz	read the bottom part	Aug 29 13:50
XRevan86	cubexyz: Removing dbus is harmful.	Aug 29 13:50
cubexyz	obviously libsystemd is intertwined into q4os and I can't remove it	Aug 29 13:51
XRevan86	cubexyz: You can replace Debian repos with Devuan ones.	Aug 29 13:51
XRevan86	That should reduce amount of libsystemd reverse deps.	Aug 29 13:51
XRevan86	cubexyz: Or possibly Q4OS doesn't directly use Debian repos, in that case no action can be done.	Aug 29 13:52
cubexyz	well, it's just another test system	Aug 29 13:53
cubexyz	not really a big deal	Aug 29 13:53
XRevan86	cubexyz: libsystemd is not a big deal anyway. Not even systemd-shim.	Aug 29 13:54
cubexyz	it's just disappointing	Aug 29 13:54
XRevan86	cubexyz: It just means that distro gives an option to use systemd.	Aug 29 13:54
XRevan86	and is binary	Aug 29 13:54
XRevan86	cubexyz: So your disappointment is that Q4OS actually makes it possible to use systemd.	Aug 29 13:54
cubexyz	no :)	Aug 29 13:55
XRevan86	cubexyz: But yes	Aug 29 13:55
cubexyz	I'm disappointed that I can't _remove_ it	Aug 29 13:55
XRevan86	cubexyz: You can't remove such a library from a binary distro.	Aug 29 13:55
XRevan86	cubexyz: That's what I trying to say.	Aug 29 13:56
cubexyz	I don't even think I am using systemd	Aug 29 13:56
cubexyz	and I still can't remove systemd-login0	Aug 29 13:57
XRevan86	cubexyz: I don't use JACK.	Aug 29 13:57
cubexyz	pretty gummed up	Aug 29 13:57
XRevan86	and I still can't remove jack0	Aug 29 13:57
cubexyz	ok, that's kind of my point... that's bad :)	Aug 29 13:57
cubexyz	it's not good	Aug 29 13:57
XRevan86	cubexyz: That's the only way possible.	Aug 29 13:58
XRevan86	except for static linking	Aug 29 13:58
XRevan86	in that case libsystemd-login0 would be inside programs	Aug 29 13:58
XRevan86	and you wouldn't even know	Aug 29 13:58
cubexyz	I don't understand why I need libsystemd-anything	Aug 29 13:58
cubexyz	and why is there a zero on the end?	Aug 29 13:59
XRevan86	cubexyz: Because programs link to it.	Aug 29 13:59
XRevan86	cubexyz: Come on, you supposed to know stuff about UNIX!	Aug 29 14:00
cubexyz	that's not Unix	Aug 29 14:00
XRevan86	cubexyz: That is UNIX.	Aug 29 14:00
cubexyz	libsystemd is not Unix, sorry no	Aug 29 14:00
XRevan86	libfoo.0.1.2	Aug 29 14:00
XRevan86	oops	Aug 29 14:00
cubexyz	you can call it a Unix-like system if you like	Aug 29 14:00
XRevan86	libfoo.so.0.1.2	Aug 29 14:00
XRevan86	UNIX shared library foo of an ABI version 0, subversion 1.2.	Aug 29 14:01
cubexyz	it's not in BSD that's for sure	Aug 29 14:01
XRevan86	cubexyz: I'm pretty sure it is.	Aug 29 14:01
XRevan86	/usr/lib/ must exist there :)	Aug 29 14:01
XRevan86	and programs dynamically link to stuff inside	Aug 29 14:02
cubexyz	/usr/lib is there, and some libraries are dynamically linked but libsystemd-blah is not in BSD!	Aug 29 14:02
XRevan86	> So your disappointment is that Q4OS actually makes it possible to use systemd.	Aug 29 14:03
XRevan86	then again	Aug 29 14:03
cubexyz	unless GNOME dragged in libsystemd-blah	Aug 29 14:03
XRevan86	cubexyz: But other stuff with the same reasons is.	Aug 29 14:03
XRevan86	Because dynamic linking!	Aug 29 14:03
XRevan86	dbus is compiled with systemd _support_ and so it links to libsystemd0 and libsystemd-login0.	Aug 29 14:04
XRevan86	In binary distros either support and linkage is there (both at the same time) or it's not.	Aug 29 14:05
XRevan86	cubexyz: If you want to remove libsystemd, you want to purge systemd from the whole distribution at any level possible.	Aug 29 14:06
cubexyz	why does kubrick have to link to libsystemd-login0?	Aug 29 14:06
cubexyz	it's stupid	Aug 29 14:06
cubexyz	right, that's what I want	Aug 29 14:06
XRevan86	cubexyz: I guess it depends on something that depends on something that depends on it.	Aug 29 14:06
cubexyz	and dbus did NOT have to link to any libsystemd-stuff before	Aug 29 14:07
cubexyz	that's the recent development	Aug 29 14:07
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XRevan86	cubexyz: Well, Debian uses systemd by default, and having systemd-related features in dbus seems appropriate, no?	Aug 29 14:07
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cubexyz	not for Debian Wheezy	Aug 29 14:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software and Games	Aug 29 14:08
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XRevan86	cubexyz: libsystemd is in Wheezy.	Aug 29 14:08
cubexyz	so diabolical	Aug 29 14:08
XRevan86	cubexyz: It is possible to use systemd in Wheezy.	Aug 29 14:09
XRevan86	And therefore stuff is compiled to honour that :).	Aug 29 14:09
cubexyz	right, but I removed it	Aug 29 14:09
cubexyz	it's a bad design	Aug 29 14:09
XRevan86	cubexyz: UNIX shared libraries is a bad design? If you say so…	Aug 29 14:10
cubexyz	apt-get remove systemd but not apt-get remove libsystemd-login0	Aug 29 14:10
cubexyz	it's a bad design because it's not modular at all	Aug 29 14:10
cubexyz	it's a house of cards	Aug 29 14:10
cubexyz	systemd I mean, not shared libraries	Aug 29 14:10
cubexyz	if I really wanted to I can compile statically	Aug 29 14:11
cubexyz	some games do that	Aug 29 14:11
cubexyz	it's necessary sometimes	Aug 29 14:11
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cubexyz	the basic idea of shared libraries is OK, not the fact that libsystemd-blah is a dependency for a whole ton of stuff	Aug 29 14:12
cubexyz	it's obviously not really necessary, but it's been gummed in	Aug 29 14:13
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/637610674999422976 https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/637611441256833024	Aug 29 14:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz Tried to do the internet search. Nothing there. Perhaps Twitter support might know. I'll try later on..		Aug 29 14:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Do you know @Support why it is that @schestowitz and myself have GIFs auto added to our tweets when we copy and paste a URL ??		Aug 29 14:14
cubexyz	I know I can run kubrick without libsystemd-login0	Aug 29 14:14
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/6376144243465093124	Aug 29 14:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-No status found with that ID.		Aug 29 14:17
cubexyz	quasijarus used .a file or archive files created by ar	Aug 29 14:20
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/quas-usr-lib.txt	Aug 29 14:21
cubexyz	so shared libraries came later on	Aug 29 14:21
cubexyz	another example.. a logging program shouldn't depend on X	Aug 29 14:36
cubexyz	it's logging text	Aug 29 14:36
cubexyz	http://slated.org/the_poetterisation_of_gnu_linux	Aug 29 14:42
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cubexyz	I won't use q4os as my main OS, or recommend it	Aug 29 14:48
cubexyz	they tried some interesting ideas, but efficiency was tossed out the window	Aug 29 14:49
cubexyz	the fact is it burns up CPU doing nothing and has other stuff I don't want	Aug 29 14:49
XRevan86	It's confirmed: Paul Carroty simply wanted a flamy news title :)	Aug 29 14:55
XRevan86	schestowitz: And you reposted it.	Aug 29 14:55
cubexyz	I'll try Void Linux next	Aug 29 14:56
XRevan86	cubexyz: Nice distro indeed.	Aug 29 14:56
cubexyz	I hope so :)	Aug 29 14:56
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MinceR	134632 < cubexyz> they won't be happy until systemd is the entire OS	Aug 29 16:18
MinceR	...and you're not allowed to run anything else and everyone likes systemd	Aug 29 16:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The History of Containers	Aug 29 16:20
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MinceR	so much bullshit	Aug 29 16:29
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/RashmiSudiwala/status/637656678352220165	Aug 29 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RashmiSudiwala: @michaelhorak @dawnbazely There's an anti-Android lobby?!? If you can't beat it, try and legislate against it?		Aug 29 17:26
schestowitz	Yes, it has been covered a lot by Groklaw as well	Aug 29 17:26
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/637657863515672576	Aug 29 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @RashmiSudiwala @michaelhorak Seems so. @schestowitz is my source. That's his blog post.		Aug 29 17:26
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cubexyz	hurray, the copyright on the stephen rocket expired :)	Aug 29 17:32
cubexyz	Apple's attacks on Android did what.... oh they "ran out of steam" :)	Aug 29 17:32
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/totallynoob/status/637662842645299201	Aug 29 17:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@totallynoob: #Microsoft #Technology Crashes #Financial #Markets, Again #GNU #linux http://t.co/bJ4snjeOZZ		Aug 29 17:35
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/som50579/status/637663260762853376	Aug 29 17:35
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/RashmiSudiwala/status/637663497145425920 https://twitter.com/RashmiSudiwala/status/637663833201446913	Aug 29 17:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RashmiSudiwala: @schestowitz @dawnbazely @michaelhorak I never did much like Apple's way of thinking or it's products, ...		Aug 29 17:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RashmiSudiwala: @schestowitz @dawnbazely @michaelhorak ... except the iPod but 'cos Sony dropped the ball. Now, even my iPod gathers dust, replaced by Sony.		Aug 29 17:36
cubexyz	I guess HP made an OK chromebook	Aug 29 17:37
cubexyz	the keyboard's not bad	Aug 29 17:37
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MinceR	Roy said it sucks	Aug 29 17:40
cubexyz	depends on which model	Aug 29 17:41
cubexyz	some of them do suck	Aug 29 17:41
MinceR	http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2015/06/29/hp-chromebook-14-keyboard-and-other-low-quality-hp-equipment/	Aug 29 17:41
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cubexyz	oh he thought the hp sucked	Aug 29 17:41
cubexyz	good thing he didn't try the samsung one, it's worse	Aug 29 17:41
MinceR	:)	Aug 29 17:42
msb__	I bought an HP inkjet printer years ago, and it developed some problems. I called them up to ask a question, but they wouldn't even talk to me because the warranty had expired. Unless I paid them $80. I would never buy anything from HP.	Aug 29 17:43
cubexyz	some Hp stuff did give me a lot of trouble	Aug 29 17:43
cubexyz	old HP was good however	Aug 29 17:43
cubexyz	just like everything else it seems	Aug 29 17:43
cubexyz	I mean my 1997 HP LaserJet still works	Aug 29 17:44
msb__	A good company will put all troubleshooting info for all of its products up on the Web.	Aug 29 17:44
msb__	Instead of gouging you if you need information to fix what it sold you.	Aug 29 17:45
cubexyz	HP is not what it used to be, it's true	Aug 29 17:46
cubexyz	I know a couple of oldsters who still use DECwriters	Aug 29 17:47
msb__	In the HP inkjet printer, the inkdroplet is shot out of the tiny holes in the cartridge by resistive heaters behind each hole. If the ink dries, the heater burns out. The circuitry senses this and won't work at all until you buy a new $25 cartridge.	Aug 29 17:51
msb__	4 cartridges -- red yellow blue and black. $100. A machine designed to generate profit for HP.	Aug 29 17:53
msb__	It cost about $250, and came with cartridges that were half-filled or less.	Aug 29 17:54
msb__	Buy from HP, that's what you'll get.	Aug 29 17:55
msb__	Of course the tiny heaters would burn out no matter how well you cleaned them.	Aug 29 17:56
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/637667003512197120 https://twitter.com/RashmiSudiwala/status/637667712437719040 https://twitter.com/RashmiSudiwala/status/637668694852808705	Aug 29 17:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @RashmiSudiwala, my relationship to 🍏 is 📈&📉. I've dusted off my portable typewriter & carbons... @schestowitz @michaelhorak		Aug 29 17:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RashmiSudiwala: @dawnbazely @schestowitz @michaelhorak Apple's marketing of its brand is genius, second only to speaker cables; it's products not so much so		Aug 29 17:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RashmiSudiwala: @schestowitz @dawnbazely @michaelhorak Incidently, the first thing I did when I got my iPod was to replace the crappy ear pieces with Sony's		Aug 29 17:56
cubexyz	msb__, I wouldn't buy a inkjet printer either	Aug 29 17:56
cubexyz	but I would buy a reconditioned Hp laserjet	Aug 29 17:57
cubexyz	those last a long time	Aug 29 17:57
msb__	If it's cheap and comes with a long warranty.	Aug 29 17:57
cubexyz	well it's cheap enough	Aug 29 17:57
cubexyz	usually you only get 90 day warranty on used stuff	Aug 29 17:58
msb__	The company drum comes with abrasive toner that ruins the drum so it can't be refilled. So empty out the company toner and refill it with non-abrasive.	Aug 29 17:59
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6513751	Aug 29 17:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This headline is a lie http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2015/08/munich-officials-who-dumped-windows-for-linux-want-microsofts-os-back/ it's not the same officials, there's no change of mind, just 2 dissenting voices		Aug 29 17:59
schestowitz	"OK, adware and subscriptions are just like spying - politicians think it's OK because they are elite and above such things themselves. Most valuable targets might get a FREE game of Solitaire."	Aug 29 17:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.gizmodo.co.uk \| Munich Officials Who Dumped Windows For Linux Want Microsoft's OS Back \| Gizmodo UK [ http://ur1.ca/nkg9j ]		Aug 29 17:59
msb__	There's no free solitaire game for windows?	Aug 29 18:00
cubexyz	there's a wiper blade in the toner cartridge which will eventually fail	Aug 29 18:00
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/secret-stuff-do-not-look.png	Aug 29 18:01
cubexyz	is that source code I see? :)	Aug 29 18:02
msb__	I like freecell.	Aug 29 18:03
msb__	The Linux version has undo.	Aug 29 18:03
schestowitz	[09:43] <__martin__> ..already installing uBlock for Mozilla out of their addons repo since their review process can be pain in the ass	Aug 29 18:07
schestowitz	Would have been a good April Foolks suggestiion	Aug 29 18:07
XRevan86	Nah, uBlock will never be reviewed apparently.	Aug 29 18:11
XRevan86	Because uBlock Origin is already reviewed and uBlock is even outdated in AMO.	Aug 29 18:11
XRevan86	I suspect it's not even in review query.	Aug 29 18:12
schestowitz	https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=15&v=hUfmONX7i60	Aug 29 18:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Lennart Poettering merged "su" command replacement into systemd - Test Drive on Fedora Rawhide - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nljs5 ]		Aug 29 18:12
schestowitz	"SU or MaCH*** fuck that/// Why??? For What????"	Aug 29 18:12
XFaCE	schestowitz: yep	Aug 29 18:12
msb__	Poettering has been promised an air-conditioned cell in Hell. But he won't get it.	Aug 29 18:13
XFaCE	Classic Poettering-style change	Aug 29 18:13
XRevan86	I don't even.	Aug 29 18:14
XFaCE	"	Aug 29 18:14
XFaCE	there have been long discussions about this, but the problem is that what "su" is supposed to do is very unclear.	Aug 29 18:14
XFaCE	Glass houses, Lennart, glass houses.	Aug 29 18:14
XFaCE	"	Aug 29 18:14
XFaCE	"True, and adding su makes systemd's problem with dropping syslog messages even more serious of a security problem."	Aug 29 18:15
msb__	Messages? We don't need no steenking messages!	Aug 29 18:16
XRevan86	I'm trying to contact Paul Carroty right now. This gets absurd.	Aug 29 18:16
XFaCE	XRevan86: I almost wonder if next he'll add that new Apple OS X "innovation" where root isn't actually root	Aug 29 18:17
XRevan86	XFaCE: Not systemd	Aug 29 18:19
XRevan86	XFaCE: These news.	Aug 29 18:19
XFaCE	?	Aug 29 18:19
XRevan86	XFaCE: I know guys who made this news about "su replacement" is such a way.	Aug 29 18:19
XFaCE	ok	Aug 29 18:19
XFaCE	XFaCE: what is the actual news?	Aug 29 18:19
XRevan86	XFaCE: It's trolling.	Aug 29 18:19
XFaCE	so this the onion?	Aug 29 18:20
cubexyz	if the message gets distorted then that's bad journalism	Aug 29 18:20
XRevan86	1. https://www.linux.org.ru/forum/talks/11899738	Aug 29 18:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.org.ru \| В systemd появилась замена su(1) - Talks - Форум [ http://ur1.ca/nlnl8 ]		Aug 29 18:20
schestowitz	[16:23] <cubexyz> http://i.imgur.com/ekCzz.png	Aug 29 18:20
schestowitz	[16:27] --> Cirrus_Minor (~Cirrus_Mi@CAcert/Cirrus-Minor) has joined this channel.	Aug 29 18:20
schestowitz	[16:29] <MinceR> so much bullshit	Aug 29 18:20
schestowitz	LOL	Aug 29 18:20
XRevan86	1. First Igor Grantenko placed this with a title "In systemd a replacement for su(1) arrived"	Aug 29 18:20
schestowitz	describing Vistas as open and fair	Aug 29 18:20
schestowitz	I have land on the moon to sell you	Aug 29 18:21
XRevan86	XFaCE: I asked Igor Gnatenko right now: he said he did such a title for trolling :).	Aug 29 18:21
XRevan86	well, that's Linux.org.ru	Aug 29 18:21
Cirrus_Minor	you called ?	Aug 29 18:21
XRevan86	2. Paul Carroty (from LOR as well) placed an English article on his website.	Aug 29 18:22
schestowitz	[17:37] <cubexyz> the keyboard's not bad	Aug 29 18:22
schestowitz	Ah, the worst part	Aug 29 18:22
schestowitz	and why my wife got rid of it	Aug 29 18:22
schestowitz	a cluster of keys stopped working	Aug 29 18:22
XRevan86	which is tlhp.cf	Aug 29 18:22
cubexyz	schestowitz, what you returned the chromebook?	Aug 29 18:22
schestowitz	for no good reason, and based on searched on the Web it's a common issue, esp. in that area	Aug 29 18:22
schestowitz	yes, returned it	Aug 29 18:22
schestowitz	that;s the only option they have	Aug 29 18:23
schestowitz	(PCWorld/Currys)	Aug 29 18:23
schestowitz	!google keyboard hp chromebook schestowitz	Aug 29 18:23
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » HP Chromebook 14 Keyboard ... \| http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2015/06/29/hp-chromebook-14-keyboard-and-other-low-quality-hp-equipment/	Aug 29 18:23
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Schestowitz.com Weblog \| http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/	Aug 29 18:23
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - hp chromebook 14 keyboard letters not responding - HP Support ... \| http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Hardware/hp-chromebook-14-keyboard-letters-not-responding/td-p/4894662	Aug 29 18:23
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - HP Chromebook 14 review: Big display, bold colors, full keyboard ... \| http://www.zdnet.com/pictures/hp-chromebook-14-review-big-display-bold-colors-full-keyboard/	Aug 29 18:23
cubexyz	a pity, you could have had one coreboot system	Aug 29 18:23
msb__	schestowitz: You got an accidental malfunction. The keyboard was supposed to fail _after_ the warranty ran out.	Aug 29 18:24
schestowitz	I had it booting into GNU/Linux	Aug 29 18:24
XRevan86	So no, this is NOT a su replacement. And never will.	Aug 29 18:24
schestowitz	but the tegra hardware was not so linux-friendly at all	Aug 29 18:24
cubexyz	schestowitz, it was defective, just bad luck	Aug 29 18:24
schestowitz	msb__: yeah	Aug 29 18:24
schestowitz	a good thing it didn't last long for the warranty to lapse	Aug 29 18:24
cubexyz	so far it's working OK for me	Aug 29 18:24
schestowitz	because fixing these would involve garage salespeople who overprice and fool you	Aug 29 18:25
cubexyz	if it borks up on me I'll let you know	Aug 29 18:25
schestowitz	cubexyz: I use an HP laptop at the moment	Aug 29 18:25
schestowitz	keyboatd all fine since 2009	Aug 29 18:25
cubexyz	ok good	Aug 29 18:25
cubexyz	I have one of those also :)	Aug 29 18:25
XFaCE	http://techrights.org/2015/08/29/crashing-the-financial-market/	Aug 29 18:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Microsoft Technology Crashes Financial Markets, Again \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nlnmt ]		Aug 29 18:25
XRevan86	> if the message gets distorted then that's bad journalism	Aug 29 18:26
XFaCE	schestowitz: funnily enough, immediately after the story I went straight to their website to confirm my suspisions XD	Aug 29 18:26
cubexyz	had to replace the power supply though	Aug 29 18:26
schestowitz	XFaCE: did they fix the typo?	Aug 29 18:26
XFaCE	?	Aug 29 18:26
schestowitz	Would be funny is suddenly they did	Aug 29 18:26
XRevan86	cubexyz: Well, it's Linux.org.ru style journalism.	Aug 29 18:26
schestowitz	multi-million contracts and can't even get one press release/official announcement proofread	Aug 29 18:26
XFaCE	lol	Aug 29 18:26
XFaCE	just read that part	Aug 29 18:27
XFaCE	and nope, they haven't	Aug 29 18:27
cubexyz	I tried to find the "perfect laptop" and the "perfect computer"	Aug 29 18:27
XFaCE	schestowitz: It is absolutely CRITCAAL we make no simple mistakes!	Aug 29 18:28
cubexyz	desktop, I think I have close to perfect	Aug 29 18:28
schestowitz	[17:53] <msb__> 4 cartridges -- red yellow blue and black. $100. A machine designed to generate profit for HP.	Aug 29 18:28
schestowitz	HP is an ink distribution company :-)	Aug 29 18:28
cubexyz	laptop, no way, not even close	Aug 29 18:28
schestowitz	XFaCE: even worse	Aug 29 18:28
schestowitz	two typos in it	Aug 29 18:28
schestowitz	not one	Aug 29 18:28
schestowitz	maybe they use MS Word	Aug 29 18:28
schestowitz	one typo? OK.	Aug 29 18:28
schestowitz	But two? In the key announcement? Not good... sloppy like MS S/W	Aug 29 18:29
schestowitz	two in the same word?	Aug 29 18:29
schestowitz	Someone is drunk at the job.	Aug 29 18:29
msb__	schestowitz: And HP fixes it so the cartridge burns out when most of the ink is still unused.	Aug 29 18:29
XRevan86	http://cs618420.vk.me/v618420385/18adb/qI6lIwJbp7M.jpg	Aug 29 18:30
schestowitz	[18:26] <cubexyz> had to replace the power supply though	Aug 29 18:31
schestowitz	me too, two or three months ago	Aug 29 18:31
schestowitz	it just popped in 2015	Aug 29 18:31
schestowitz	but still, for a power supply to last 6 years isn't too bad	Aug 29 18:32
schestowitz	The replacement one was super-expensive	Aug 29 18:32
schestowitz	like $60 (US)	Aug 29 18:32
cubexyz	hmmm, you should be able to find a used one on ebay pretty cheap	Aug 29 18:32
schestowitz	re chromebook 14, I saw many people reporting the same issue, but my own sample set is of size 1	Aug 29 18:32
schestowitz	so many bad luck	Aug 29 18:32
schestowitz	and maybe I only saw the few reports among millions of people who bought these	Aug 29 18:33
schestowitz	if I bought two and found them to have the same chronic issue, then it's a statistical sample with actual significance (not 0 or 1)	Aug 29 18:33
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/computer-longevity.txt	Aug 29 18:33
schestowitz	cubexyz: couldn't wait	Aug 29 18:33
schestowitz	was working that afternoon	Aug 29 18:34
cubexyz	all working still	Aug 29 18:34
cubexyz	as long as I can fix it, I'm happy	Aug 29 18:34
schestowitz	So I rushed to Argos and found a multi-purpose one with exchangeable heads	Aug 29 18:34
schestowitz	Pavilion?	Aug 29 18:34
schestowitz	XRevan86: propaganda poster?	Aug 29 18:35
schestowitz	draw one with putin on the book and nukes in the window after the reading of the book :-)	Aug 29 18:35
msb__	Looks like something Mincer would post!	Aug 29 18:36
cubexyz	HP NX9030 2005 era I think	Aug 29 18:36
schestowitz	How I learned to stop worrying and love Putin	Aug 29 18:36
XRevan86	schestowitz: I didn't draw it :). It's also strange to consider propaganda since it's fan artwork.	Aug 29 18:36
cubexyz	yes, I'm quasi-modern now	Aug 29 18:36
schestowitz	this one works well for me, but underpowered for this shitty Plasma 5 thing (latest)	Aug 29 18:37
schestowitz	it's buggy with memory leaks	Aug 29 18:37
msb__	KDE4/Plasma is evil. Forget it.	Aug 29 18:37
cubexyz	I only use systemd free KDE3 or older :)	Aug 29 18:38
msb__	Yep. Or Trinity.	Aug 29 18:38
XRevan86	cubexyz: systemd-free == not possible to link with libsystemd? :)	Aug 29 18:39
cubexyz	I forget when KDE 3.5.10 came out	Aug 29 18:39
schestowitz	msb__: it's great compared to Plasma 5 KF5	Aug 29 18:39
cubexyz	it's been a while	Aug 29 18:39
schestowitz	trust me, it's missing widgets too, no improvement really	Aug 29 18:39
schestowitz	except me realising that inevitably, to be on KDE, I'd have to adopt this	Aug 29 18:40
schestowitz	at least it has better gtk UI integration	Aug 29 18:40
msb__	KDE3 and KDE4/Plasma are entirely different. They shouldn't use the same name.	Aug 29 18:40
XRevan86	oxygen-gtk3 is inevitably broken.	Aug 29 18:41
schestowitz	I haven't tried kde3 in several years (used it briefly at a client's office 2 years ago, maybe 3)	Aug 29 18:41
cubexyz	version 3.0 came out in 2002, it doesn't say when version 3.5.10 came out	Aug 29 18:41
XRevan86	so gtk UI integration is no longer a good side of KDE	Aug 29 18:41
cubexyz	around 2007?	Aug 29 18:41
schestowitz	some applications for kde still don't work too well with qt5	Aug 29 18:41
schestowitz	and some stuff in general applications like pidgin too, sound for instance	Aug 29 18:42
schestowitz	no sound notifications	Aug 29 18:42
XRevan86	schestowitz: How do sound notifications of Pidgin relate with KDE?	Aug 29 18:42
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XRevan86	They only need GStreamer to operate.	Aug 29 18:42
schestowitz	The only reason I won't go back now is that I found my way to survive in plasma5 and I can't stay with deprecated/old versions forever	Aug 29 18:42
XRevan86	GStreamer 0.10 in Pidgin 2.10.11, GStreamer 1.x or 0.10 in Pidgin 2.10.12+	Aug 29 18:43
schestowitz	like insisting of sticking to a mistake because going back is too much hassle	Aug 29 18:43
schestowitz	But I keep saying, plasma 5 is not ready, maybe will be next year, no sooner	Aug 29 18:43
cubexyz	I still run a KDE 1.0 program	Aug 29 18:43
schestowitz	XRevan86: good point, that's why I took am baffled by	Aug 29 18:43
cubexyz	there's no limit really	Aug 29 18:44
schestowitz	I lost Kate and Konversation settings in the upgrade	Aug 29 18:44
schestowitz	they're not compatible	Aug 29 18:44
msb__	Churn, churn, churn.	Aug 29 18:44
schestowitz	they get discarded, even if you forcefeed repeatedly to the applications	Aug 29 18:44
cubexyz	the only real limit is if you lose your only copy of the source	Aug 29 18:44
schestowitz	meaning you have to go through all the menus to set it up again the way you want it	Aug 29 18:44
schestowitz	cubexyz: assuming you can use insecure applications	Aug 29 18:45
schestowitz	and miss out on updates with features	Aug 29 18:45
schestowitz	kate was still buggy in some ways in kde3	Aug 29 18:45
schestowitz	I still remember that rather scary bugs in it under SUSE... could mistakenly lose text	Aug 29 18:45
schestowitz	so I had to be super-careful editing some things in kate	Aug 29 18:45
cubexyz	I normally use kedit so I don't know about bugs in kate	Aug 29 18:46
schestowitz	thankfully I forgot the nature of most bugs and how to avoid or get around them	Aug 29 18:46
schestowitz	kedit lacks some features	Aug 29 18:46
schestowitz	kate in plasma5/qt5/kf5 is decent	Aug 29 18:46
schestowitz	is kwrite still around in any shape or form?	Aug 29 18:47
cubexyz	sure	Aug 29 18:47
schestowitz	It was my editor around 2003 but I think it was dropped because of kate and kdevelop	Aug 29 18:47
cubexyz	it's on my vector linux box	Aug 29 18:47
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cubexyz	I'm a KDE historian :)	Aug 29 18:47
schestowitz	is vecot canadian?	Aug 29 18:47
cubexyz	it is	Aug 29 18:47
schestowitz	*vector	Aug 29 18:47
schestowitz	I think my first editor on linux was nedit	Aug 29 18:48
schestowitz	for several years. if I try it now, heck, it's WAY too primitive	Aug 29 18:48
schestowitz	not just ugly (graphical toolkit)	Aug 29 18:48
schestowitz	the only good thing in it is selection by rectangle	Aug 29 18:49
msb__	I use mc as editor and filemanager. quicker and easier than videogames on a gui filemangler. And my bash scripts give textmode drag-and-drop (or -copy, etc.) with only a couple of keystrokes.	Aug 29 18:49
schestowitz	never found this feature in any other editor	Aug 29 18:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Why you should ditch OpenOffice and use the free LibreOffice suite \| Tux Machines		Aug 29 18:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Developers Prepare for OTA-7, the	Aug 29 18:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Touch Developers Prepare for OTA-7, the List of Bugs to be Fixed Is Huge \| Tux Machines		Aug 29 18:51
msb__	mc editor has rectangular (row-column) selection and copy/move.	Aug 29 18:51
msb__	schestowitz: mc editor has rectangular (row-column) selection and copy/move.	Aug 29 18:51
cubexyz	vim can do that too	Aug 29 18:51
cubexyz	it's not unique :)	Aug 29 18:52
cubexyz	visual block mode	Aug 29 18:52
schestowitz	I sometimes install nedit just for this feature	Aug 29 18:53
schestowitz	it's not a bad editor for programming, but it's dated and I think it's no longer maintained (since ages ago)	Aug 29 18:53
schestowitz	vim has steeper learning curve	Aug 29 18:53
schestowitz	but vim, not vi, I could maybe learn	Aug 29 18:54
schestowitz	emacs is ugly	Aug 29 18:54
schestowitz	the toolkit	Aug 29 18:54
cubexyz	there's gvim if you want to use the mouse	Aug 29 18:54
schestowitz	I used emacs over the years, but never saw the point unless I had already gotten addicted to it back in the 80s	Aug 29 18:54
schestowitz	i'm fine with kate now	Aug 29 18:55
schestowitz	nearly 10 years of experience, about 10 hours per day	Aug 29 18:55
schestowitz	And I still haven't explored ALL the ins and outs (new stuff added and some removed or shuffled over time)	Aug 29 18:55
schestowitz	I think they added spellcheck as you type only around 2009	Aug 29 18:56
schestowitz	that was much needed	Aug 29 18:56
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/mycroft_ai/status/637679383344361472?	Aug 29 18:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mycroft_ai: @schestowitz Check out #AI & #iot #Kickstarter for @mycroft_ai http://t.co/RyCVHGn9MZ #crowdfunding		Aug 29 18:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.kickstarter.com \| Mycroft: An Open Source Artificial Intelligence For Everyone by Joshua Montgomery — Kickstarter		Aug 29 18:56
schestowitz	iot buzzword	Aug 29 18:57
cubexyz	kword was the koffice word processor, or at least it was	Aug 29 18:57
msb__	"It's something that everybody needs" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M7gKZqgHn4	Aug 29 18:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Mamas & Papas - Dedicated To The One I Love - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nlnxx ]		Aug 29 18:58
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6522326	Aug 29 18:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/637328189493248000		Aug 29 18:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fcassia: #HackingTeam #spyware rootkit: Even a new HARD DRIVE wouldn't get rid of it http://t.co/3CvPtSiPcM #Infosec + #UEFI goodness cc/@schestowitz		Aug 29 18:58
schestowitz	https://archive.is/f5XEA	Aug 29 18:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-archive.is \| Fernando Cassia on Twitter: "#HackingTeam #spyware rootkit: Even a new HARD DRIVE wouldn't get rid of it http://t.co/3CvPtSiPcM #Infosec + #UEFI goodness cc/@schestowitz"		Aug 29 18:58
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6522400	Aug 29 18:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@harryhaller@nerdpol.ch: No amount of scrubbing could shift UEFI BIOS nasty ![](https://regmedia.co.uk/2014/05/21/asus_z97-a_uefi_bios_1a.jpg) http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/14/hacking_team_stealth_rootkit/ https://archive.is/f5XEA > ---- <strong> ![Avatar](https://nerdpol.ch/camo/51cc62e77d7508ca68d0a9ec18d347917e22a670/68747470733a2f2f6a6f696e64696173706f72612e73332e616d617a6f6e6177732e636f6d2f75706c6f6164732f696d616765732f7		Aug 29 18:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theregister.co.uk \| Hacking Team spyware rootkit: Even a new HARD DRIVE wouldn't get rid of it • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/nlny7 ]		Aug 29 18:58
cubexyz	socketed BIOS, only way to go	Aug 29 19:00
cubexyz	these young un's and their surface mounted BIOSes :)	Aug 29 19:00
msb__	With a permanently burned eprom that you burn in an external burner.	Aug 29 19:01
msb__	No hackable eeproms.	Aug 29 19:02
cubexyz	didn't motherboards have BIOS write protection?	Aug 29 19:03
msb__	And a cpu without sub-sub-sub commands that take priority over everything else and can be hacked, like Intel.	Aug 29 19:03
cubexyz	I seem to remember a jumper setting	Aug 29 19:04
msb__	Maybe old ones did.	Aug 29 19:04
msb__	Too complicated for non-technical users to deal with now.	Aug 29 19:04
msb__	It really only needs one good 8-core cpu and one good mobo (with socketed BIOS) that all of us pros can use.	Aug 29 19:06
cubexyz	I have flash write protection on my QDI motherboard	Aug 29 19:07
cubexyz	also boot sector protection	Aug 29 19:07
msb__	Great!	Aug 29 19:08
cubexyz	I just turned it on :)	Aug 29 19:08
msb__	Of course if everyone else gets sucked into the Matrix, they'll all become zombies and they'll swarm us.	Aug 29 19:08
cubexyz	the odds of someone hacking my BIOS are pretty low, but why not use it if it's there	Aug 29 19:08
cubexyz	msb__, that's just the thing	Aug 29 19:10
cubexyz	one has to study a given motherboard for quite a while before you know it's good or not	Aug 29 19:10
msb__	And always keep your flamethrower fueled up and handy!	Aug 29 19:11
cubexyz	it's not apparent at all which ones have socketed BIOS chips	Aug 29 19:11
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cubexyz	most of the older ones did though	Aug 29 19:11
msb__	Chopping their heads off is good too. That works for most things. -- Buffy	Aug 29 19:11
cubexyz	at least with the chromebooks you know the embedded controller is properly programed for ChromeOS/Linux	Aug 29 19:13
cubexyz	that's not always the case with other laptops	Aug 29 19:13
cubexyz	HP should just mail out replacement keyboards to chromebook owners with bad keyboards	Aug 29 19:15
msb__	And pigs should grow wings!	Aug 29 19:16
msb__	If you don't realize that there is purposeful psychopathic EVIL in the world, well, then, you should realize it.	Aug 29 19:17
cubexyz	capricious maybe, lazy, bad impluse control, greedy	Aug 29 19:19
cubexyz	not necessarily evil	Aug 29 19:20
msb__	YES, MURDEROUS PSYCHOPATHIC EVIL!	Aug 29 19:20
msb__	Do you think HP accidently designed those ink cartridges and keyboards to fail ?	Aug 29 19:21
cubexyz	well yes, HP was greedy and controlling	Aug 29 19:21
cubexyz	that's why I don't buy inkjet printers from any company	Aug 29 19:21
msb__	"You think everything is a conspiracy." "Everything _is_!	Aug 29 19:21
cubexyz	that doesn't count as psychopathic evil :)	Aug 29 19:22
msb__	"No matter how paranoid you are, you're not paranoid enough."	Aug 29 19:22
cubexyz	I use HP laserjet (old ones) or dot matrix printers	Aug 29 19:22
msb__	How about murdering millions of people and destroying half a dozen entire nations?	Aug 29 19:23
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msb__	There is a world outside computers, and it reaches into the world of computers.	Aug 29 19:23
cubexyz	well there hasn't been any word war in a long time	Aug 29 19:27
cubexyz	that's an improvement	Aug 29 19:27
cubexyz	s/word/world/	Aug 29 19:27
cubexyz	no nuclear annihilation occurred	Aug 29 19:27
cubexyz	if I had lived through WWII then I would think now is a decent time	Aug 29 19:28
msb__	The US/UK/EU are attacking every vulnerable nation, one at a time. Now using Islamic psychopath jihadists as proxies.	Aug 29 19:29
msb__	And bombs and missiles when they can claim an excuse.	Aug 29 19:30
msb__	The US has murdered at least 20,000,000 people since the end of WWII.	Aug 29 19:31
msb__	http://cosmicpenguin.com/#American_Holocaust	Aug 29 19:32
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msb__	There is much more to life than old versions of Unix. But I guess you're pretty safe in Canada, as long as you keep your head down.	Aug 29 19:34
cubexyz	I'll read up on Blum	Aug 29 19:39
msb__	Just look at the list of nations on the linked page -- about 55 that the US attacked after WWII.	Aug 29 19:43
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msb__	cubexyz: Checketh thy mail.	Aug 29 19:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Price of Open-source Software – a Joint	Aug 29 19:59
TweetTuxMachines	Response http://t.co/kAWSqRBtHU	Aug 29 19:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 29 19:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nloku	Aug 29 19:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Price of Open-source Software – a Joint Response \| Tux Machines		Aug 29 19:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Nvidia Linux Driver 352.41 Offers Better H.265	Aug 29 19:59
TweetTuxMachines	Playback, Patches http://t.co/5vV90nMVBx	Aug 29 19:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.x.org) Server Crash http://t.co/O858oeaM7h	Aug 29 19:59
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TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 29 19:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nlol0	Aug 29 19:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leaked BlackBerry ‘Venice’ photos show	Aug 29 19:59
TweetTuxMachines	Android-powered QWERTY slider in the flesh	Aug 29 19:59
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TDnhaTpqtl (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 29 19:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nlol2	Aug 29 19:59
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msb__	Wow, there is really a lot going on in the beginning of The Exorcist. In Iraq.	Aug 29 20:08
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MinceR	su - already does what poettering wanted	Aug 29 20:53
XRevan86	MinceR: It passes $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR	Aug 29 20:57
MinceR	oh noes	Aug 29 20:59
MinceR	and even if it didn't, the right solution is not to tack another lump of crap on top of systemd	Aug 29 21:00
MinceR	this just goes to show that lennart has no clue about modularity or cohesion	Aug 29 21:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Jide Remix Mini Android PC to ship in October	Aug 29 21:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/4SfWanNK1C (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 29 21:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nlp99	Aug 29 21:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Interviews with FLOSS developers: Elena Grandi	Aug 29 21:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/qNXizUY3F0 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 29 21:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nlp9c	Aug 29 21:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines systemd 225 Adds 'su' Replacement, Saving of	Aug 29 21:07
TweetTuxMachines	Private-Zone DHCP Options	Aug 29 21:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/pSMZXLDslz (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 29 21:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nlp9e	Aug 29 21:07
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cubexyz	https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/03/tso-and-linus-and-the-impotent-rage-against-systemd/	Aug 29 21:19
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msb__	cubexyz: Did you get that thing I sent you?	Aug 29 21:47
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cubexyz	yes I did	Aug 29 22:00
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cubexyz	ha! "some day Linus will play the role of Theo de Raadt"	Aug 29 22:11
cubexyz	I'd like to see that	Aug 29 22:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Gnome: Release code names	Aug 29 22:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/M500TZRxAo (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 29 22:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nlpvm	Aug 29 22:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DragonFlyBSD's Intel DRM Code Up To Linux 3.17	Aug 29 22:13
TweetTuxMachines	Match http://t.co/JtJCaNhZal	Aug 29 22:13
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 29 22:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nlpvp	Aug 29 22:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora Linux Moves Ahead With Effectively	Aug 29 22:13
TweetTuxMachines	Demoting 32-bit x86 Support	Aug 29 22:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/SUQ2IUHdq7 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 29 22:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nlpvr	Aug 29 22:14
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cubexyz	Gentoo itself was forked	Aug 29 22:14
cubexyz	and Daniel Robbins (the founder!) forked it and created Funtoo	Aug 29 22:14
cubexyz	openbsd has krsh, the korn restricted shell	Aug 29 22:21
cubexyz	could be useful	Aug 29 22:22
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DaemonFC	People still talking about the Dylan Storm shootings at that black church.	Aug 29 22:32
DaemonFC	Nine people shot to death while they were praying.	Aug 29 22:33
DaemonFC	What should we do? I don't know. Let's pray.	Aug 29 22:33
DaemonFC	MinceR: https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11218826_918747514866401_3690238546595148117_n.png?oh=0a0c015a1193fd755500b6370c209b21&oe=566A7EAB	Aug 29 22:34
MinceR	lettuce spray	Aug 29 22:36
DaemonFC	https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11914883_907798265963310_6589327136950389753_n.jpg?oh=d5cfc902de25f29981fd30cebadce886&oe=567E606C	Aug 29 22:36
MinceR	lol	Aug 29 22:36
DaemonFC	https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11960012_892019057543538_1327503481286583694_n.jpg?oh=2880255130305b289309238207385752&oe=567A6C3A	Aug 29 22:36
DaemonFC	Even better.	Aug 29 22:37
msb__	DaemonFC: You sneer at people who believe in god because it makes them feel better, but you don't know whether god exists or not. You sneer at poor people who shop at walmart. Why?	Aug 29 22:38
msb__	DaemonFC: You sneer at people who want a gun for protection, even though the US govt murders millions of people for greed and power.	Aug 29 22:39
MinceR	we know whether yahweh exists or not	Aug 29 22:41
MinceR	he doesn't	Aug 29 22:41
XRevan86	I start to believe people in common don't do religion stuff because they believe in something	Aug 29 22:41
XRevan86	but because social acceptance	Aug 29 22:41
MinceR	simply because the text used to define that god contradicts itself	Aug 29 22:41
msb__	yahweh is described as a particularly nasty being. If there is a god, I hope it is loving and kind.	Aug 29 22:43
msb__	A text, contradictory or not, doesn't prove anything.	Aug 29 22:43
MinceR	i don't see why exactly 1 god would even be probable at all	Aug 29 22:43
MinceR	msb__: something that's defined in a way that contradicts itself cannot exist.	Aug 29 22:44
msb__	Nonsense. If god exists it doesn't exist because of some text.	Aug 29 22:44
MinceR	i'm not talking about "god", i'm talking about a _specific_ god	Aug 29 22:45
MinceR	one can think of many different gods, and for most of them, we don't know if they exist and it doesn't really matter	Aug 29 22:45
msb__	You don't know. There's no way you can know. I'm saying that it's unkind to sneer at people who have a belief and don't do any harm because of it, or even do some good.	Aug 29 22:47
MinceR	i do know whether an impossible object exists or not: it doesn't, because it's impossible.	Aug 29 22:49
MinceR	simple logic.	Aug 29 22:49
msb__	If people believe that there is a benevolent force in the universe, it can reduce their fear and anxiety, and help them relax and do good things.	Aug 29 22:49
MinceR	for example, it's impossible for a god that both created the first non-human animals before AND after the first female human to exist	Aug 29 22:49
XRevan86	There is only one god that exists	Aug 29 22:49
XRevan86	Flying Spaghetti Monster	Aug 29 22:49
MinceR	how did you get from yahwey to a "benevolent force"?	Aug 29 22:50
MinceR	yahweh is many things, but very far from "benevolent"	Aug 29 22:50
MinceR	s/ey/eh/	Aug 29 22:50
msb__	Again, contradictions in the bibble have nothing to do with the existence of god(s).	Aug 29 22:50
MinceR	they have to do with the existence of a god defined by the bibble	Aug 29 22:51
XRevan86	Bible has nothing to do with the existence of god(s).	Aug 29 22:51
MinceR	it actually does something to do with them	Aug 29 22:51
XRevan86	People's beliefs have nothing to do with the existence of god(s).	Aug 29 22:51
MinceR	it's a piece of fiction that insists that exactly one god exists	Aug 29 22:51
MinceR	and describes that god in ways that make it impossible	Aug 29 22:51
MinceR	though it's even inconsistent about the "exactly one" part	Aug 29 22:52
XRevan86	MinceR: Non-existing (or overwise) gods care not about some stupid book :).	Aug 29 22:52
MinceR	since the people who rewrite it to monotheistic missed some parts	Aug 29 22:52
MinceR	XRevan86: they might	Aug 29 22:52
XRevan86	MinceR: Sorry, it's me being pedantic.	Aug 29 22:52
XRevan86	MinceR: At least, their existence cares not :).	Aug 29 22:52
MinceR	s/wri/wro/	Aug 29 22:52
MinceR	XRevan86: indeed	Aug 29 22:52
cubexyz	MinceR, really? where does it say that?	Aug 29 22:52
MinceR	cubexyz: i don't have the bookmark ready	Aug 29 22:53
MinceR	cubexyz: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/gods.html	Aug 29 22:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-skepticsannotatedbible.com \| How many gods are there? [ http://ur1.ca/nlqat ]		Aug 29 22:54
cubexyz	huh, interesting	Aug 29 22:56
cubexyz	no worshipping Chemosh, got it	Aug 29 22:58
MinceR	lol	Aug 29 22:58
XRevan86	There are as many gods as you like. Just don't forget to buy candles© only in authorised shops® of the Russian Orthodox Church™.	Aug 29 22:58
MinceR	or Takhisis	Aug 29 22:58
MinceR	XRevan86: lol	Aug 29 22:59
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schestowitz	DaemonFC: When every problem is viewed as "enemy" or nail all your hammer needs are being weaponised https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11960012_892019057543538_1327503481286583694_n.jpg?oh=2880255130305b289309238207385752&oe=567A6C3A https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11914883_907798265963310_6589327136950389753_n.jpg?oh=d5cfc902de25f29981fd30cebadce886&oe=567E606C	Aug 29 23:19
schestowitz	maybe they can make a rolling pin shapes like a baseball bat	Aug 29 23:19
schestowitz	and tennis balls shapes like hand grenades, too	Aug 29 23:19
schestowitz	AmericanSniper http://www.theindychannel.com/news/alert-about-a-possible-freeway-sniper-on-i-94-i-69-near-battle-creek	Aug 29 23:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theindychannel.com \| Alert about a possible freeway sniper on I-94, I-69 near Battle Creek - TheIndyChannel.com [ http://ur1.ca/nlexl ]		Aug 29 23:20
schestowitz	maybe inspired by the movie	Aug 29 23:20
schestowitz	Just watched "World War" the movie	Aug 29 23:20
schestowitz	what a shitty movie	Aug 29 23:20
schestowitz	zombie apocalypse with so many mistakes	Aug 29 23:20
MinceR	Z?	Aug 29 23:21
schestowitz	and it makes people glad to have armies with too many weapons	Aug 29 23:21
DaemonFC	World War Z?	Aug 29 23:21
DaemonFC	Yeah. I watched it because it was a freebie with my Prime membership.	Aug 29 23:21
DaemonFC	I want to see where Fear The Walking Dead goes.	Aug 29 23:22
MinceR	i wonder if this whole systemd/kdbus/"machinectl shell" thing is actually intended to make the community reject them, but i can't figure out why they would want that	Aug 29 23:50

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