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| TechrightsBN | Hello World! I'm TechrightsBN running phIRCe v0.75 | Sep 29 02:27 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/PTSD_Chat/status/648416350340149249 | Sep 29 02:27 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@PTSD_Chat: @schestowitz PTSD effects many. Don't miss the PTSDchat on Wednesday's. See the chat in the news > http://t.co/NGHbqCdAe1 | Sep 29 02:27 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.14news.com | 14NEWS Special Report: " Healing Heroes" - Tri-State News, Weather & Sports | Sep 29 02:27 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/peterkarlberg/status/648393834402082816 | Sep 29 02:39 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@peterkarlberg: Peter Karlbergs dag is out! http://t.co/TznswJhNNE Stories via @srini091 @eurohumph @schestowitz | Sep 29 02:39 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> paper.li | Peter Karlbergs dag | Sep 29 02:39 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/648387125549797376 | Sep 29 02:39 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Metztli_IT: "Uniformity is death, diversity is life." Mikhail A. Bakunin(1814-1876) #Debian non-#systemd https://t.co/kGE72gJWJB https://t.co/kLWr1NbFyj | Sep 29 02:39 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Installing_without_systemd ) | Sep 29 02:39 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #Systemv Startup vs #systemd ... to explain why its development was deemed necessary." http://t.co/rtGJ6gqRD2 | Sep 29 02:39 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/rosscdh/status/648375023703617537 | Sep 29 02:40 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@rosscdh: Let's hope. Trust no one. Least of all the winner of lowest tender https://t.co/s6W1GnDCMi | Sep 29 02:40 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Could VW scandal lead to open-source software for better automobile cybersecurity? http://t.co/SUf6b6fg4r #freesw #epa | Sep 29 02:40 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/EngBatikoy/status/648246647860916224 | Sep 29 02:41 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@EngBatikoy: Health for all! https://t.co/lfeQul3whv | Sep 29 02:41 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: U.S. drug company sues Canada for trying to lower cost of $700K-a-year drug http://t.co/KCt57mIjr6 corporations vs, states/people. #isds | Sep 29 02:41 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Bardnet/status/648169253858897922 | Sep 29 02:41 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Bardnet: @schestowitz 4.5.0.2 already available https://t.co/WPOyVqkndi | Sep 29 02:41 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Bardnet/status/648169253858897922 | Sep 29 08:08 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/geekbrit/status/648134373502513152 | Sep 29 08:08 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@geekbrit: @schestowitz @fth_nix Or... Intel effed up again? | Sep 29 08:08 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/648128928125714433 | Sep 29 08:09 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jmcest: "nor is there Adobe Flash support" → thus not adequate for risk-loving exhibitionist masochists https://t.co/XLavbewiD4 | Sep 29 08:09 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: 64-bit ARM Is Becoming Usable For Day-To-Day Linux Desktop http://t.co/tiwmFNRPfY #gnu #linux #arm #arm64 | Sep 29 08:09 | |
| r_schestowitz | b | Sep 29 08:09 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/648123827235487744 | Sep 29 08:09 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz Was wondering about that. My next desktop might well be 64-bit ARM. | Sep 29 08:09 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/krautlandnewsed/status/647364352018939904 | Sep 29 08:16 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@krautlandnewsed: Steampunk & Linux, a winning combination. https://t.co/ASngAMioCN | Sep 29 08:16 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Valve Developer Asks Ubuntu Devs to Fix Bugs with Steam Controller http://t.co/IxhHcLlyi2 #ubuntu #linux #valve | Sep 29 08:16 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retweetguybot/status/647358691377852420 | Sep 29 08:16 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@retweetguybot: Old PC games rendered unplayable thanks to update not just https://t.co/q2uYzlLcnK | Sep 29 08:16 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Old PC games rendered unplayable thanks to #Windows update http://t.co/sD58NwwZPS not just #vista10 | Sep 29 08:16 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Oxfordite/status/647346684851286016 | Sep 29 08:16 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Oxfordite: @LabourEoin @schestowitz #chancellor #manchesteruniversity Result! @LemnSissay an excellent choice. Well done Lemn. | Sep 29 08:16 | |
| r_schestowitz | People I know who know him say he's modest and talented | Sep 29 08:16 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RamiSilawi/status/647339021291659264 | Sep 29 08:17 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@RamiSilawi: @schestowitz Thanks for sharing that. You're featured on my @RebelMouse http://t.co/DQqqYJHjhw | Sep 29 08:17 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.rebelmouse.com | RamiSilawi | Sep 29 08:17 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/647178299018477568 | Sep 29 08:17 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@qu1j0t3: At least he's out of the closet. https://t.co/oGDWIwLnYm | Sep 29 08:17 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #JebBush Proudly Promises To Axe #NetNeutrality If Elected https://t.co/nZXbr2H4NC the telecoms' party | Sep 29 08:17 | |
| r_schestowitz | A closet outing implies element of surprise | Sep 29 08:18 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/647149955841433601 | Sep 29 08:18 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz Actually, in the article, it's spot on. One can not say it loves Linux and keeps suing the hell out of who's using it. | Sep 29 08:18 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/647146904086806528 | Sep 29 08:18 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz Yeah, and now things get frightening: A new MS in the making ? Trying to control whole userspace is a sign... | Sep 29 08:18 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/647005380137091072 | Sep 29 08:18 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Wikinaut: A typical cliff hanger https://t.co/MoS30uydVC | Sep 29 08:18 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: More coverage of #epo scandals when back from the beach (last few days here). http://t.co/CMIUWvePoB | Sep 29 08:18 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/646999290469064704 | Sep 29 08:20 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@jmcest: MT @schestowitz German Press Explains EPO Investigation Unit (I.U.), Struggles to Openly Speak to the Secretive EPO http://t.co/8aNf4QkjeA | Sep 29 08:20 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | German Press Explains EPO Investigation Unit (I.U.), Struggles to Openly Speak to the Secretive EPO | Techrights | Sep 29 08:20 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/646950184992276480 | Sep 29 08:20 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz @glynmoody Thanks for staying on top of this. I also try to make my little contribution from time to time and I'm happy to RT. | Sep 29 08:20 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/646836079518048256 | Sep 29 08:21 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Metztli_IT: "get to meet everybody who is involved with the systemd project" :p #systemd #hegemony ≈ #NSA preys on #GNU/#Linux? https://t.co/uqeRNR46Rt | Sep 29 08:21 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #redhat almost sold out. #systemd http://t.co/X48hDf8lg9 | Sep 29 08:21 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/scribus/status/646674111960186880 | Sep 29 08:22 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@scribus: @wood5y @schestowitz Sorry to hear your loss. We're glad #Scribus was of use to you. | Sep 29 08:22 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wood5y/status/646664763460730880 | Sep 29 08:22 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@wood5y: @schestowitz I did the order of service for my mother's funeral in #Scribus. | Sep 29 08:22 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/645846612607139840 | Sep 29 08:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Trump is not insane, as his stance on foreign policy shows. He's just shameless. | Sep 29 08:37 | |
| r_schestowitz | It has always be the case, won't success at any negotiation.... | Sep 29 08:37 |
| r_schestowitz | It has always been the case, won't succeed at any negotiation.... | Sep 29 08:39 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/645218584310992896?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email | Sep 29 09:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz So what!? It doesn't matter if the cat is black or white as long as mice are caught. | Sep 29 09:54 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/645211763726774272?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email | Sep 29 09:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz It is. Was going to go to the ManLUG meeting but got tied up in something else. | Sep 29 09:54 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/npettiaux/status/645209693674147841?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email | Sep 29 09:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@npettiaux: @schestowitz more education is needed ... and less use of tin/plastic | Sep 29 09:54 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/645208930528960513?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email | Sep 29 09:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Messgorough: @schestowitz In fairness #Sweden recycles tons but also you can return plastic etc to shops to receive a discount on shopping. | Sep 29 09:55 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/hanscees/status/645147658387070976?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=c02e4b7312a05281b45a111ee52b8d243a184dbc&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=991aebf2d0d44b63819c3af9515bdffb&autoactions=1442650163&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267 | Sep 29 09:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@hanscees: Gaming bolwerk Windows brokkelt af @schestowitz: over 1,500 Linux Games in Valve's Steam Library http://t.co/vCcmirEeWB #linux | Sep 29 09:55 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> news.softpedia.com | It's Official, There Are Now over 1,500 Linux Games in Valve's Steam Library - Softpedia | Sep 29 09:55 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/648796743547490305 | Sep 29 10:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz grrr.... Freaking proprietary shite. | Sep 29 10:55 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6612682 | Sep 29 11:06 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "KDE Partition Manager is split into library (KPMcore) and GUI parts to allow other projects reuse partitioning code" https://stikonas.eu/wordpress/2015/09/19/kde-partition-manager-2-0-alpha/ | Sep 29 11:06 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://stikonas.eu/wordpress/2015/09/19/kde-partition-manager-2-0-alpha/ ) | Sep 29 11:06 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6630931 | Sep 29 11:06 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Microsoft puts a bullet in blundering D-Link's leaked key that made malware VIPs on PCshttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/24/dlink_key_revoked/ recall http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA | Sep 29 11:06 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.theregister.co.uk | Microsoft puts a bullet in blundering D-Link's leaked key that made malware VIPs on PCs • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/nvlyd ] | Sep 29 11:07 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g1zod ] | Sep 29 11:07 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/648754696384040960 | Sep 29 11:24 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Jut had a bad dream about #systemd (I'm not joking) | Sep 29 11:24 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxActionShow/comments/3lww70/microsoft_claims_to_have_built_windows_on_top_of/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter | Sep 29 11:40 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.reddit.com | Microsoft Claims to Have Built ‘Windows’ on Top of Linux, But Where is the Source Code (GPL)? | Techrights : LinuxActionShow [ http://ur1.ca/nvm4c ] | Sep 29 11:40 | |
| r_schestowitz | "ACS is built on top of linux, windows isn't." | Sep 29 11:40 |
| r_schestowitz | "True. Thanks. I also just found out that according to GPL v2, you don't have to publish the source code if you are not going to make the 'distro' publicly available. So I apologise for posting this." | Sep 29 11:40 |
| r_schestowitz | "Posted for others (like myself) who weren't aware of ACS http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/microsoft-at-the-helm-of-azure-cloud-switch-a-cross-platform-modular-linux-distro/ " | Sep 29 11:40 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.digitaltrends.com | Microsoft Has Created Its Own Linux Distro Using Azure | Digital Trends [ http://ur1.ca/nvm4f ] | Sep 29 11:41 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6598476 | Sep 29 12:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@linux@joindiaspora.com: 12 technologies that tick off Linux creator Linus Torvalds http://www.pcworld.com/article/2984235/operating-systems/12-technologies-that-tick-off-linux-creator-linus-torvalds.html | Sep 29 12:02 | |
| r_schestowitz | "Interestingly not one of the 12 items is a technology…" | Sep 29 12:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.pcworld.com | 12 technologies that tick off Linux creator Linus Torvalds | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/nsloq ] | Sep 29 12:02 | |
| r_schestowitz | Editors, not authors, put together the headlines | Sep 29 12:02 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/648807992251523072 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/648810221423472640 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/648810374830116864 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/648810556791615488 | Sep 29 12:14 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #Acquia Funding Tops $173M as Drupal 8 Release Nears http://t.co/TnsA560GZT #drupal #freesw #cms | Sep 29 12:14 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.enterpriseappstoday.com | Acquia Funding Tops $173M as Drupal 8 Release Nears - Enterprise Apps Today | Sep 29 12:14 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #Ubuntu Gets Security Update for the #Nvidia Driver http://t.co/ulVtrGCEij #linux | Sep 29 12:14 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> linux.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Gets Security Update for the Nvidia Driver - Softpedia | Sep 29 12:14 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #Canonical Wants to Have Arabic Ubuntu Font http://t.co/nMVIfIpbbA #ubuntu #linux | Sep 29 12:14 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> linux.softpedia.com | Canonical Wants to Have Arabic Ubuntu Font - Softpedia | Sep 29 12:14 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Ubuntu: Why the first impression matters http://t.co/rTRbV4aphb #ubuntu #gnu #linux | Sep 29 12:14 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> design.canonical.com | Why the first impression matters | Ubuntu Design Blog | Sep 29 12:14 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/648810764531273728 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/648811017317822465 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/648811397774737408 | Sep 29 12:14 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Startup Lets Users Run #Ubuntu with #Xfce in Their Web Browsers http://t.co/H10GnaJzex #gnu #linux | Sep 29 12:14 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> news.softpedia.com | Startup Lets Users Run Ubuntu with Xfce in Their Web Browsers - Softpedia | Sep 29 12:14 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: 5 key trends in open source http://t.co/4gcH4D36MO #freesw #opensource | Sep 29 12:14 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.infoworld.com | 5 key trends in open source | InfoWorld | Sep 29 12:14 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #Canonical Patches Two #Linux #Kernel Vulnerabilities in #Ubuntu 14.04 LTS http://t.co/bwGh3QVdGZ | Sep 29 12:14 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> linux.softpedia.com | Canonical Patches Two Linux Kernel Vulnerabilities in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS - Softpedia | Sep 29 12:14 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/648820867368136704 | Sep 29 16:46 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz Well, after all everyone is free to write anything they want, as long as they don't get "inspired" too much, like linuxg... | Sep 29 16:46 | |
| r_schestowitz | He does not appear to have been very active lately | Sep 29 16:46 |
| r_schestowitz | Razvan has on and off periods, used to be almost purely howtos | Sep 29 16:47 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Frittmann/status/648842886360887296 | Sep 29 16:49 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Frittmann: @schestowitz I use @KimDotcom's #MEGAsync 50GB free account. Encrypts before sending. "Free as in beer, secure as in Snowden". | Sep 29 16:49 | |
| r_schestowitz | Snowden is not so secure in Moscow :-) | Sep 29 16:49 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/648846275727749120 | Sep 29 16:50 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz Mark should open his eyes, things start this way, and then EEE | Sep 29 16:50 | |
| r_schestowitz | Yes, I agree | Sep 29 16:50 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/648846322947198976 | Sep 29 16:50 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@agente_smithe: RT @schestowitz: #Reiser4 Ported To The Linux 4.2 Kernel http://t.co/Z4KRYfK78M #linux #kernel | Sep 29 16:50 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.phoronix.com | Reiser4 Ported To The Linux 4.2 Kernel - Phoronix | Sep 29 16:50 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/648846799298502656 | Sep 29 16:50 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@agente_smithe: RT @schestowitz: #Taurinus X200 laptop now FSF-certified to respect your freedom http://t.co/qUPE3ELJG2 while #librem gets the limelight | Sep 29 16:50 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.fsf.org | Taurinus X200 laptop now FSF-certified to respect your freedom — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software | Sep 29 16:50 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6609909 | Sep 29 17:39 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@linux@joindiaspora.com: $15 plug-in crypto key supports RPi and other Linux devices http://linuxgizmos.com/15-plug-in-crypto-key-supports-rpi-and-other-linux-devices/ | Sep 29 17:40 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> linuxgizmos.com | $15 plug-in crypto key supports RPi and other Linux devices · LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/nvo7s ] | Sep 29 17:40 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6609909 | Sep 29 17:40 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6609909 | Sep 29 17:40 |
| r_schestowitz | "Is it possible to reduce the load of the pi when its used as a webserver using strong ssl/tls encryption?" | Sep 29 17:40 |
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| r_schestowitz | > Vacations are great and you are lucky to be able to get away from the grind and come back refreshed in mind and body. | Sep 29 19:35 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Sep 29 19:35 |
| r_schestowitz | > Where did you go? Why no pictures, is your camera broken? Haha. | Sep 29 19:35 |
| r_schestowitz | Family visit, I will upload some photos next month, it's on Rianne's cousin's camera. | Sep 29 19:35 |
| r_schestowitz | >> I have been getting your emails over the past couple of weeks but was | Sep 29 19:38 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > unable to respond as I am back from vacation only Monday at midnight, | Sep 29 19:38 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > whereupon I will catch up. Just wanted to clarify I'm not ignoring | Sep 29 19:38 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > anything... | Sep 29 19:38 |
| r_schestowitz | > I figured it was something like that. Have a good rest of your vacation | Sep 29 19:38 |
| r_schestowitz | > and a safe trip home. | Sep 29 19:38 |
| r_schestowitz | Thanks, I will gradually catch up with "Links" in the coming weeks. Articles too when time permits (super busy)... | Sep 29 19:38 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/644152376191025152?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=b3474096816cf7a5e7f313808c7f013bb9035e95&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=a0be64b6837745eb98ef19e510727a82&autoactions=1442412869&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267 | Sep 29 19:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SleepyPenguin1: What Reg readers really think will affect IT in the next three years... @schestowitz http://t.co/XO9XZGovz1 | Sep 29 19:55 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.theregister.co.uk | What Reg readers really think will affect IT in the next three years... • The Register | Sep 29 19:55 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/644193895824404481?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=e5db74ea89d3310bd02804382be31fb00a04d236&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=9f870ce26e1946ceae4d9345bf681ee5&autoactions=1442422768&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267 | Sep 29 19:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SleepyPenguin1: Let's Encrypt Project issues its First Free SSL/TLS Certificate @schestowitz #Security #linux #opensource http://t.co/harHbkAPgD | Sep 29 19:55 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> thehackernews.com | Let's Encrypt Project issues its First Free SSL/TLS Certificate | Sep 29 19:55 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/643873863550529539?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/643909540208070656?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email | Sep 29 19:56 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz Debian could work in a project to keep systemd off our computers... | Sep 29 19:56 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz The cat is out of the bag now... | Sep 29 19:56 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/cheezburgrmania/status/643986980485922816?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=c90433ce5efa2b591f0141575b78da4559279d48&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=8eb4a1c6ccb74fadbb92fce4ce6de827&autoactions=1442373436&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267 | Sep 29 19:57 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@cheezburgrmania: @schestowitz wow, MSFT is as bad as the Francis papacy these days, http://t.co/T7um9P7iU7 (MSFT shill revolt) | Sep 29 19:57 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.zdnet.com | Windows 10 glitches have sidelined my Surface 3 | ZDNet | Sep 29 19:57 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/643726025222946816?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=5375565edd76225191554b28574bc480bca511e9&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=aeee4890ab1b444983cee6de36327a1a&autoactions=1442311221&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267 | Sep 29 19:57 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SleepyPenguin1: Did GCHQ Illegally Spy on You? @schestowitz https://t.co/QKNaALPlKB | Sep 29 19:57 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://privacyinternational.org/illegalspying ) | Sep 29 19:57 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6589132 | Sep 29 21:30 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Daily Express mocks sceptics of extra-judicial killings using straw men, targets #corbyn individually http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/604376/Jeremy-Corbyn-ISIS-Islamic-State-Queen-Reyaad-Khan-David-Cameron-drone-strike | Sep 29 21:30 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.express.co.uk | Jeremy Corbyn 'unclear' over why British ISIS jihadi was killed | Politics | News | Daily Express [ http://ur1.ca/nvpws ] | Sep 29 21:30 | |
| r_schestowitz | "Can you give me a good link on this Jeremy Corbyn character and what he will be doing in the Labor party? I hear he is more Left than Labor has traditionally been but I just know nothing about British politics." | Sep 29 21:34 |
| r_schestowitz | "I have never heard about Corbyn until recently, but judging by his enemies he must be good." | Sep 29 21:34 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6590108 | Sep 29 21:37 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Mozilla Gets Its First Partners for Ads in #Firefox http://news.softpedia.com/news/mozilla-gets-its-first-partners-for-ads-in-firefox-491609.shtml despite anger http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2015/08/01/firefox-ads/ | Sep 29 21:37 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> news.softpedia.com | Mozilla Gets Its First Partners for Ads in Firefox - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/nvpyj ] | Sep 29 21:37 | |
| r_schestowitz | browser.newtabpage.enabled;false | Sep 29 21:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> schestowitz.com | schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » When Mozilla Puts an Advertising Network at the Very Heart of Firefox [ http://ur1.ca/nvpyk ] | Sep 29 21:37 | |
| r_schestowitz | browser.newtabpage.enhanced;false | Sep 29 21:37 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:37 |
| r_schestowitz | "They need to have income of some sort to pay people to work full-time. That used to come from Google (I know - Roy’s a fan, me - not so much.) When was the last time that anyone complaining actually sent money to Mozilla?" | Sep 29 21:38 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:38 |
| r_schestowitz | Mozilla funding, oddly enough, reminds me of public TV funding in America. | Sep 29 21:38 |
| r_schestowitz | When public TV starts a fund drive, the programming changes radically, in a way that ensures those who watch during the drive will be a completely different group than those who watch the rest of the time. Public TV continues, so that must work for them. I watch a lot of public TV, but I’ve never watched a program during a fund drive. Works for me. | Sep 29 21:38 |
| r_schestowitz | Mozilla’s funding seems to come from those that the most ardent Firefox users completely block. Firefox continues to be maintained, so that must work. Well, it works for me. I suppose I should give some help. | Sep 29 21:38 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:38 |
| r_schestowitz | "libreoffice foundation can do" | Sep 29 21:38 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6638409 | Sep 29 21:39 |
| r_schestowitz | "Like animals… ;)" | Sep 29 21:39 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Not a Diaspora post? | Sep 29 21:39 | |
| r_schestowitz | "Maybe it makes them feel better and lift harder. I once read that the use of taboo words was an effective pain relief that allowed people to keep their hands in ice water longer than people who were silent or shouted non taboo words. … hmm, maybe your disapproval is key to their success! Never mind. ;-}" | Sep 29 21:40 |
| r_schestowitz | "I wonder how many people that do exercise do it only for health’s sake." | Sep 29 21:40 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6603441 | Sep 29 21:41 |
| r_schestowitz | "I really don’t get Opera. It’s jut yet another Webkit browser." | Sep 29 21:41 |
| r_schestowitz | "@Keith Bowes, it’s a yet another Blink browser. Totally different kind." | Sep 29 21:41 |
| r_schestowitz | "Oh, right. A bit of a mixup on those pseudo-FOSS rendering engines." | Sep 29 21:41 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Not a Diaspora post? | Sep 29 21:42 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:42 |
| r_schestowitz | If I’m not mistaken, Opera introduced Speed Dial and some other things that most browsers have today. It is also the only one I know that allows you to search/navigate through links only (without extra plugins), and it has this cool feature where it guesses which is the “next” link in a page, so that you can just keep pressing “space” and it will automatically send you to the next page when you reach the bottom. | Sep 29 21:42 |
| r_schestowitz | It also has this very cool automatic logo generation for webpages in its Speed Dial. | Sep 29 21:42 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:42 |
| r_schestowitz | There is prior art | Sep 29 21:42 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6637900 | Sep 29 21:50 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: U.S. drug company sues Canada for trying to lower cost of $700K-a-year drug http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/u-s-drug-company-sues-canada-for-trying-to-lower-cost-of-700k-a-year-drug-1.3242172 corporations vs, states/people. #isds | Sep 29 21:50 | |
| r_schestowitz | "And there are still people that think free markets always work on their best interests." | Sep 29 21:50 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.cbc.ca | U.S. drug company sues Canada for trying to lower cost of $700K-a-year drug - Health - CBC News [ http://ur1.ca/nvq1v ] | Sep 29 21:50 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:51 |
| r_schestowitz | This has nothing to do with markets… | Sep 29 21:51 |
| r_schestowitz | https://fee.org/anythingpeaceful/the-pill-whose-price-went-up-5000-it-costs-5-cents-in-india/ | Sep 29 21:51 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fee.org | The Pill Whose Price Went Up 5000%? It Costs 5 Cents in India. | Foundation for Economic Education [ http://ur1.ca/nvq23 ] | Sep 29 21:51 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:51 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:51 |
| r_schestowitz | “There is no reason why the United States cannot have as vigorous a market in generic pharmaceuticals as does India.” | Sep 29 21:51 |
| r_schestowitz | That’s the point, it’s supposed that in a free market the offer will eventually meet the demand in an optimized way. If there is a lot of demand other suppliers will jump until those goods reach an optimum price, benefiting consumers and producers. | Sep 29 21:51 |
| r_schestowitz | There are only two problems about this: the perfect free market do not exist and might never be, and what happens while offer and demand get the optimum point? | Sep 29 21:51 |
| r_schestowitz | In this case, people die of perfectly preventable diseases. I do not mind so much a free market for cellphones, but for healthcare I prefer the commie way. | Sep 29 21:51 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:51 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:52 |
| r_schestowitz | I do not mind so much a free market for cellphones, but for healthcare I prefer the commie way. | Sep 29 21:52 |
| r_schestowitz | As a Mutualist I completely agree (the distinction being basic needs vs consumer goods) however it should be understood that this and the general state of the healthcare system is a result of state interference. There are non-state alternatives to market run healthcare. | Sep 29 21:52 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:52 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:52 |
| r_schestowitz | In this particular case it might be true, but one cannot simply trust market forces will fix everything. You might be aware of the VW emissions cheating scandal, there is almost no market for ecologic cars. | Sep 29 21:52 |
| r_schestowitz | People have little incentive to buy a more expensive car compared with the less ecological ones, and mileage tends to be better without emission control devices. There are even some rednecks that pollute as much as possible on purpose. And on the other hand, automakers have little incentive to produce cars that are more expensive that should be. | Sep 29 21:52 |
| r_schestowitz | Everybody wants clean air but no one wants to pay for it, if there were true free markets by this time the Arctic would be already gone and almost nobody would give a fuck. The State is supposed to regulate important matters that otherwise nobody would care of individually, and the rest might be achieved through market forces, that’s what I think. | Sep 29 21:52 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:52 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6605357 | Sep 29 21:53 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Today at the pub we were the only ones ordering tea. It sure shocked the bartender. If {not ordering drug (alcohol)}=bad customer. | Sep 29 21:53 | |
| r_schestowitz | "$customer = ($ordering→drug(“tea”)) ? “bad” : “good”; // I’ve always loved the ternary operator" | Sep 29 21:53 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:54 |
| r_schestowitz | This reminds me, when I was young I went once to a place where women danced happily on tables, with a few schoolmates. Since I was single and with a job I had plenty of money so I ordered beer for me, and my schoolmates ordered lemonades. At the end they were shocked to know lemonades costed the same as beer. | Sep 29 21:54 |
| r_schestowitz | I had a good laugh that day. | Sep 29 21:54 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:54 |
| r_schestowitz | The Chinese buffet here is like that. Ripoff on soft drinks... | Sep 29 21:54 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6588176 | Sep 29 21:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This morning I asked my wife if we're allowed to bring sandwiches on the plane. This is what going abroad is like now https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/643027344517677056 | Sep 29 21:55 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Airport authorities have managed to take all joy away from the miracle of flight. Way to go. | Sep 29 21:55 | |
| r_schestowitz | "backup all your data to some server and wipe your laptop completely?" | Sep 29 21:55 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:55 |
| r_schestowitz | Better safe than sorry." | Sep 29 21:55 |
| r_schestowitz | Used SSH and it worked, except when IP rolled over.... | Sep 29 21:55 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6590346 | Sep 29 21:58 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This article is BS http://www.androidauthority.com/robust-android-ransomware-spreading-across-american-devices-641671/ uses the word "spreading" as if it's a virus rather than something people must actually install | Sep 29 21:58 | |
| r_schestowitz | "it sounds better than ‘stupid people keep installing crap on their phones and getting malware’" | Sep 29 21:58 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.androidauthority.com | Robust Android ransomware spreading across American devices [ http://ur1.ca/nvq4g ] | Sep 29 21:58 | |
| r_schestowitz | "That’s what they should say." | Sep 29 21:58 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6589149 | Sep 29 21:59 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Hawkish right-wing British media extremely harsh on #corbyn and this is what #kremlin apparatus says: https://www.rt.com/uk/315036-syria-refugees-jeremy-corbyn/ | Sep 29 21:59 | |
| r_schestowitz | "Corbyn is right, but the Kremlin is only interested in supporting the fascist murderer Assad." | Sep 29 21:59 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.rt.com | Syria needs political solution, not military intervention – Corbyn — RT UK [ http://ur1.ca/nvq4v ] | Sep 29 21:59 | |
| r_schestowitz | "When was the last time the US supported someone advocating for political solutions?" | Sep 29 22:00 |
| r_schestowitz | "1956?" | Sep 29 22:00 |
| r_schestowitz | What happened then? | Sep 29 22:01 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/648981932303327233 | Sep 30 00:06 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@_Goblin: So the 13th October I will be debating with @Michael812 . It will be included into the TechBytes show. @schestowitz FYI | Sep 30 00:06 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/648991816637878272 | Sep 30 00:07 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz Yeah, maybe it's game over for him... | Sep 30 00:07 | |
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| schestowitz | " | Sep 30 09:58 |
| schestowitz | Dear buyer, | Sep 30 09:58 |
| schestowitz | Sorry to bohter you. | Sep 30 09:58 |
| schestowitz | Meantime, we are so sorry for the trouble we brought to you and really sad that you left neutral feedback. Maybe you don't know the neutral feedback is same as the negative feedback, it also will hurt us heaveily. | Sep 30 09:58 |
| schestowitz | We are striving to improve ourselves in terms of service, quality,sourcing,etc. Could you help us change neutral feedback to positive one ?? | Sep 30 09:58 |
| schestowitz | We promise to offer better service for you next time. We know you are so kind and helpful to help us to do this | Sep 30 09:58 |
| schestowitz | Good luck to this good person. | Sep 30 09:58 |
| schestowitz | Waiting for your good news. | Sep 30 09:58 |
| schestowitz | All the best | Sep 30 09:58 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 30 09:58 |
| schestowitz | Chinese seller that sent us a very shitty product (ebay) | Sep 30 09:58 |
| schestowitz | Re: Chief of the "Lost and Found Department" | Sep 30 10:00 |
| schestowitz | > Dear Chief: | Sep 30 10:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 30 10:00 |
| schestowitz | > I did not add the lost words back to the article, as I stand by my original decision that it would be too much to read and would detract from the short eulogy. | Sep 30 10:00 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 30 10:00 |
| schestowitz | > I have them saved and will probably use them in a posting tomorrow. | Sep 30 10:00 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/649150434628759552 | Sep 30 10:18 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@kstallett: @schestowitz I bought an X60 tablet for my son. I do love how simple it is to replace the hdd with an ssd. Getting screen to work is a pain. | Sep 30 10:18 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/649203285103144961 | Sep 30 13:49 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@dawnbazely: @FreiheitExpert, I dunno who Dr. Bazely is 😉. Dawn, pls (it's shorter & better for tweets!). cc @schestowitz. | Sep 30 13:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/LozKaye/status/649203744853372928 | Sep 30 13:49 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@LozKaye: @schestowitz You'll have to ask them, not me... ;) | Sep 30 13:49 | |
| schestowitz | This question was brought forth to Rick and other PPs before... | Sep 30 13:50 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/649211219451228160 | Sep 30 14:20 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz The Onion ??? | Sep 30 14:20 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/649211682754068480 | Sep 30 14:20 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@agente_smithe: RT @schestowitz: #microsoft holds #hungary as prisoner to avoid another - GASP - #munich https://t.co/IZOydfhn2q #odf #libreoffice | Sep 30 14:20 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> joinup.ec.europa.eu | Interoperability woes keep Hungary locked-in | Joinup | Sep 30 14:20 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/649211913776295936 https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/649212078805381121 | Sep 30 14:20 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@agente_smithe: RT @schestowitz: Let's see @sjvn continuing to pretend there is a 'new' #microsoff that supposedly 'loves' #linux http://t.co/yP7hJVST6Q | Sep 30 14:20 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.zdnet.com | Microsoft signs updated Android, Linux patent pact with I-O Data | ZDNet | Sep 30 14:20 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz Ha, a leopard can't change its spots... | Sep 30 14:20 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/649212429172404224 | Sep 30 14:21 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@agente_smithe: RT @schestowitz: These are the 7 best new features of Android Marshmallow http://t.co/PhHfKe777H #android #androidm #linux | Sep 30 14:21 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.theverge.com | These are the 7 best new features of Android Marshmallow | The Verge | Sep 30 14:21 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wood5y/status/649220277491101696 | Sep 30 14:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@wood5y: @schestowitz my local pub has a juke box that runs on Windows 98. Blue screens/crashes are regular happenings. | Sep 30 14:55 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/649267138650316800 | Sep 30 17:59 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@agente_smithe: RT @schestowitz: Massive patent troll suit seeks to tax USB hubs at Wal-Mart, Amazon, Best Buy http://t.co/8ZpHVb1KpO #swpats #patents | Sep 30 17:59 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> arstechnica.com | Massive patent troll suit seeks to tax USB hubs at Wal-Mart, Amazon, Best Buy | Ars Technica | Sep 30 17:59 | |
| *MinceR is now known as MinceR` | Sep 30 18:02 | |
| *MinceR` is now known as MinceR_ | Sep 30 18:02 | |
| *MinceR_ is now known as MinceR | Sep 30 18:02 | |
| *MinceR is now known as MinceR` | Sep 30 18:03 | |
| *MinceR` is now known as MinceR | Sep 30 18:03 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6648097 | Sep 30 18:12 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Abortion in perspective http://i.imgur.com/Z3CJdDE.jpg | Sep 30 18:12 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: from you... | Sep 30 18:13 |
| MinceR | i've seen that tweet :) | Sep 30 18:14 |
| schestowitz | I haven't caught up with 2 weeks of logs that I missed | Sep 30 18:14 |
| schestowitz | maybe with some important links in them | Sep 30 18:14 |
| schestowitz | it's just that I'm too far behind other things | Sep 30 18:14 |
| schestowitz | like 161 commends in diaspora alone, still unread | Sep 30 18:14 |
| schestowitz | they don't even have enough server capacity | Sep 30 18:15 |
| schestowitz | so some of the time it's impossible to even read comments | Sep 30 18:15 |
| MinceR | ic | Sep 30 18:15 |
| MinceR | if you ran your own pod, could that keep your comments for you? | Sep 30 18:16 |
| schestowitz | https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRbGfjE3RsKNhXajnhTkE1eRDVB3Plu0SwjjrJVWo3yIih1sTAgSifTahoQ | Sep 30 18:22 |
| schestowitz | "please send this to Cecilia!" | Sep 30 18:22 |
| schestowitz | "Hope human clonation comes soon so people think seriously about what humans really are." | Sep 30 18:22 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I tried setting it up | Sep 30 18:22 |
| schestowitz | but couldn't get it rolling, something was missing | Sep 30 18:23 |
| schestowitz | so I don't know how exactly pods are connected | Sep 30 18:23 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6644751 | Sep 30 18:23 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Alcatel One Touch Fire E / Firefox OS - Retrospective http://dummdida.tumblr.com/post/130051494330/alcatel-one-touch-fire-e-firefox-os #alcatel #firefoxos #linux | Sep 30 18:23 | |
| schestowitz | "its a nice phone. i have one. i payed about 60€, today its more expensive ~ about 130€." | Sep 30 18:23 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> dummdida.tumblr.com | dummdida — Alcatel One Touch Fire E / Firefox OS - Retrospective [ http://ur1.ca/nvydr ] | Sep 30 18:23 | |
| schestowitz | "You can still find it on ebay for ~70€' | Sep 30 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Decent phones without a contract can cost a lot less, maybe 20... | Sep 30 18:24 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6588125 | Sep 30 18:24 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: A lot of Brits direct their scapegoating and/or racism towards Poles. Largely unfair: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Polish_military_alliance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre | Sep 30 18:24 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> en.wikipedia.org | Anglo-Polish military alliance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nvye0 ] | Sep 30 18:24 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> en.wikipedia.org | Katyn massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nr6tb ] | Sep 30 18:24 | |
| schestowitz | "https://archive.org/details/polishatrocities00revy" | Sep 30 18:24 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-archive.org | Polish atrocities in Ukraine : Revyuk, Emil : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive [ http://ur1.ca/nvye1 ] | Sep 30 18:24 | |
| schestowitz | "checkout wars (of agression) against Lithuania, USSR (1920) and carving up CZ. Pls stop associating people with the actions of their governments." | Sep 30 18:24 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know about this chapter in history... | Sep 30 18:25 |
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| *ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz | Sep 30 19:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6588793 | Sep 30 20:22 |
| schestowitz | "It hasn't changed. The state still commits far more terrorism than anyone the same way it always has." | Sep 30 20:22 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #cnn neglects to mention the atrocious erosion of human rights in the West after 9/11, instead focusing on risk http://www.ksl.com/?nid=157&sid=36463713 | Sep 30 20:22 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.ksl.com | 9/11 anniversary: How has terrorism changed in the past 14 years? | KSL.com | Sep 30 20:22 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6614635 | Sep 30 20:23 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Another week goes by with Manchester's two football teams at the top two positions. May help change perceptions... #manchester | Sep 30 20:23 | |
| schestowitz | I support both, I don't take sides, but when it's derby time I support the team 200m from my house, MCFC | Sep 30 20:23 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6590288 | Sep 30 20:28 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 30 20:28 |
| schestowitz | No, it didn't. It said travelling on behalf of your company is work. The ruling does not affect people's daily commute to their normal place of work. | Sep 30 20:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/travelling-work-work-european-court-rules-1519285 | Sep 30 20:28 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 30 20:28 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Not a Diaspora post? | Sep 30 20:29 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.ibtimes.co.uk | Travelling for work 'is work' European Court rules [ http://ur1.ca/nvzbn ] | Sep 30 20:29 | |
| schestowitz | I hate travelling for work-related chores, avoiding it like fire | Sep 30 20:29 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6587973 | Sep 30 20:34 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Corporate media framing #pentagon as 'too soft' (not kidding) http://neurope.eu/article/pentagon-censoring-is-and-al-qaeda-strength/ http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/253348-spy-watcher-lawmakers-worry-about-politicized-analysis | Sep 30 20:34 | |
| schestowitz | "pushing paradigm shift" | Sep 30 20:34 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> neurope.eu | Pentagon censoring IS and Al-Qaeda strength? [ http://ur1.ca/nvzdd ] | Sep 30 20:34 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> thehill.com | Lawmakers worry US intel suppressed for political reasons | TheHill [ http://ur1.ca/nvzde ] | Sep 30 20:34 | |
| schestowitz | "like tories accusing bbc of being left-wing." | Sep 30 20:35 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6618915 | Sep 30 21:21 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Finally, the Debian Project Will No Longer Offer CDs for the GNU/Linux Distribution http://news.softpedia.com/news/finally-the-debian-project-will-no-longer-offer-cds-for-the-gnu-linux-distribution-491852.shtml #debian #gnu #linux | Sep 30 21:21 | |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 30 21:21 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> news.softpedia.com | Finally, the Debian Project Will No Longer Offer CDs for the GNU/Linux Distribution - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/nvzor ] | Sep 30 21:21 | |
| schestowitz | I’m sure people will roll their own CD images where it seems appropriate. | Sep 30 21:21 |
| schestowitz | In places with good networking, net install works well and you still get a choice of desktop. | Sep 30 21:22 |
| schestowitz | "" | Sep 30 21:22 |
| schestowitz | "Not affordable for many people with those DVD images. Though CDs are off the market anyway but still network only install is bad move. Atleast people need DVD option for long long time as long as data is priced heavily." | Sep 30 21:22 |
| schestowitz | "Really? Who use CDs anymore? USB pendrive is more convenient" | Sep 30 21:22 |
| schestowitz | "many people use CDs considering CDs are cheap over USB pendrive." | Sep 30 21:22 |
| schestowitz | "Right, but DVDs are just as cheap (if not cheaper - considering you’ll need many more CDs)." | Sep 30 21:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 30 21:22 |
| schestowitz | CDs rest at a good balance point between network and physical costs. If you only need one CD to install, and can’t afford more than a few hundred MB of downloading, DVDs save you nothing over CDs. | Sep 30 21:22 |
| schestowitz | If you have a lot of installs to do, it is better to run your own repository. That can be done with a caching proxy like Squid, and several other ways. | Sep 30 21:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 30 21:23 |
| schestowitz | I recently had to buy a 5-pack (of DVDs) just to install GNU/Linux because Kubuntu has no adequate alternative like net installs | Sep 30 21:23 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/649648948987097088 | Oct 01 19:18 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@retroDoomer: @ghabuntu @schestowitz two things. 1. Your writing is very unprofessional. 2. Why feel the need to point out that Swapnil is Indian? | Oct 01 19:18 | |
| schestowitz | I thought twice before posting this, asked for wife's opinion too, but look at how his article is framed (and photos) | Oct 01 19:18 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/649649529944338432 | Oct 01 19:19 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@retroDoomer: @LinuxVeda @schestowitz specifically on p2, why even feel the need to draw a correlation to Swapnil and two CEOs just because of race? | Oct 01 19:19 | |
| schestowitz | No, the framing of it as in the photo | Oct 01 19:19 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/649652708597567489 | Oct 01 19:31 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @LinuxVeda no! Just no! A picture of two Indian CEOs? And knowing Swapnils race? Drawing a parallel to that is poor taste | Oct 01 19:31 | |
| schestowitz | I heard different opinions | Oct 01 19:32 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/649653030615289856 | Oct 01 19:33 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @LinuxVeda I've read many, many of his articles, and the "tone" of his writing would be the same regardless of CEO race. | Oct 01 19:33 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/649653334131929088 | Oct 01 19:33 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @LinuxVeda so if you take issue with an article, bloody well leave race out, and critique the actual article | Oct 01 19:33 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649653669684711424 https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/649653763054022656 | Oct 01 19:36 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz Just read TR story? "I proudly shows two CEOs who are also of Indian descent???" Is SJVN also Indian? https://t.co/gfxlKtYtZ2 | Oct 01 19:36 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> plus.google.com | All 20 or so lawsuits, including the Android ones, in Germany and the U.S. have… | Oct 01 19:36 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz Roy, I'm an outsider from New Zealand. I just told you how your article reads to an outsider. I.e, setting a racist tone. | Oct 01 19:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649653917509414912 | Oct 01 19:36 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz The title is not misleading. That’s what they did settled their patents dispute? What’s misleading there? | Oct 01 19:36 | |
| schestowitz | it's the Motorola dispute and does not stop peripheral lawsuits, from Microsoft proxies | Oct 01 19:37 |
| schestowitz | If I said German descent, would that too be "racist"? | Oct 01 19:38 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649654155783589888 | Oct 01 19:38 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz And if you think I am ‘brainwashed’, I really have nothing more to say. | Oct 01 19:38 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is no friend of Linux; far from it... | Oct 01 19:38 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/649654985567830016 | Oct 01 19:40 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz if you called attention to both CEOs and writer being of martian descent & making that a bullet point, it would still be racist | Oct 01 19:40 | |
| schestowitz | I guess PC has gone completely out of control then in NZ... | Oct 01 19:41 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649655049510100992 | Oct 01 19:41 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz There are no other patent lawsuits between GOOG and MSFT. Moto was the only patent war between the two companies. | Oct 01 19:41 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft does a divide and rule, still suing pertinent Android companies, directly and indirectly | Oct 01 19:42 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649655226488750080 | Oct 01 19:42 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz I ‘never’ said they are friend of Linux in the article. Did I? | Oct 01 19:42 | |
| schestowitz | Not in the article, no... | Oct 01 19:42 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/649655562121056256 | Oct 01 19:43 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz FYI, I'm descended from English, German-gypsy, Irish, Maori. Who cares what race | Oct 01 19:43 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649655924517400576 | Oct 01 19:44 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz I said the same thing in my article. | Oct 01 19:44 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/649656159729684480 | Oct 01 19:46 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz no, Roy, it hasn't. This is just someone sick of racism voicing a concern. Please, please, just listen and take it to heart | Oct 01 19:46 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649656173323546624 https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649656323114713088 | Oct 01 19:46 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz then why are you telling me they are not friend of Linux? I know and that’s why even when I cover them I do leave room for 1/2 | Oct 01 19:46 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz room for obvious suspicion as while we encourage change, we should’t forget past. 2/2 | Oct 01 19:46 | |
| schestowitz | In our twitter powwow I sensed you believe they're willing to change and become Linux-friendly | Oct 01 19:46 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649656880189558785 https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649657313343721472 | Oct 01 19:50 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz Damn. I even mentioned their 3E policy. We should not ‘demonize’ fellow writers who are still covering Linux as their career. | Oct 01 19:50 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz Yes, I am pragmatic. They need to change. If they don’t they won’t survive. Linux dominates everything minus desktop 1/2 | Oct 01 19:50 | |
| schestowitz | We don't need to worry about their survival. After what they did for decades, bankruptcy much deserved. | Oct 01 19:51 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649657759848341504 | Oct 01 19:52 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz and MSFT won’t survive without Linux. GPL protects Linux & MSFT can’t do what they could with OOXML, no 3e possible here. | Oct 01 19:52 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft oughtn't survive, with or without Linux. | Oct 01 19:52 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649658581306970112 | Oct 01 19:57 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz me neither; the point was : they need to become less hostile for their own survival which is good for Linux. | Oct 01 19:57 | |
| schestowitz | they are more COVERTLY hostile. Stay tuned for my articles about EPO-Microsoft connections. | Oct 01 19:57 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649659588799819776 | Oct 01 19:58 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz i don’t care and it doesn’t matter if I do. What I care is how any change affects Linux. Period. | Oct 01 19:58 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6653543 | Oct 01 20:06 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@linux@joindiaspora.com: http://www.techrepublic.com/article/why-a-linux-powered-botnet-shouldnt-send-you-scurrying-back-to-windows/ | Oct 01 20:06 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.techrepublic.com | Why a Linux-powered botnet shouldn't send you scurrying back to Windows - TechRepublic [ http://ur1.ca/nw8ro ] | Oct 01 20:06 | |
| schestowitz | "Even arch does not allow root login by default. If got sudo you totally don’t need root access via ssh." | Oct 01 20:06 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/649661097973293057 | Oct 01 20:07 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@agente_smithe: RT @schestowitz: #microsoft downgraded by #citigroup https://t.co/6Vyt9RSpY0 | Oct 01 20:07 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.dakotafinancialnews.com | Microsoft Receives “Sell” Rating from Citigroup Inc. (MSFT) | Oct 01 20:07 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649662204061569025 | Oct 01 20:11 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz I disagree. | Oct 01 20:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/649666720005623808 | Oct 01 20:28 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz they were supposed to give the inventor a grace period to exploit their invention. Definitely not for monopolising or trolling | Oct 01 20:28 | |
| schestowitz | > 2015 is a milestone year as we first met in May of the year 2000. That was 15 long years ago and you were only 17. That can be considered a long term friendship, and I would like it to renew for another 15 years but that is asking too much so I will take what is given...there is no other choice. Haha. | Oct 01 22:40 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 01 22:40 |
| schestowitz | > I realize that most boys follow in the footsteps of their fathers, and his family lineage is dominant compared to the mothers. | Oct 01 22:40 |
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| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3n5r0o/the_microsoft_loves_linux_baloney_is_still_being/ | Oct 02 07:01 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.reddit.com | The ‘Microsoft Loves Linux’ Baloney is Still Being Floated in the Media While Microsoft Attacks Linux With Patents, New Lawsuits Reported : linux [ http://ur1.ca/nwcx1 ] | Oct 02 07:01 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/PObean/status/649717308479434752 | Oct 02 07:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@PObean: RT Microsoft embraces "openness" and "choice" like superpowers (e.g. Red Army or US Army) embrace "freedom" and "d… https://t.co/P8IZnGSLoJ | Oct 02 07:02 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Microsoft embraces "openness" and "choice" like superpowers (e.g. Red Army or US Army) embrace "freedom" and "democracy" | Oct 02 07:02 | |
| schestowitz | > Sounds like you were a good grandson to all 4 of your grandparents and I, of course, love that trait. | Oct 02 07:13 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 02 07:13 |
| schestowitz | > Sometimes it is harder to be a good son than a good grandson. How is that going? | Oct 02 07:14 |
| schestowitz | I think that a lot of people lose their grandparents before they develop the sensibilities that tell them how thankful they should be to their grandparents (people must age themselves to truly project and recognise the feeling), whereas as their own parents age they do have time to look after them (maybe in their very last days). The overlap of ages is too far apart for 2 generations apart... I now have no grandparents left and I'm 33. | Oct 02 07:14 |
| schestowitz | > If you want special characters fast and easy, just go to… | Oct 02 07:21 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 02 07:21 |
| schestowitz | > copypastecharacter.com | Oct 02 07:21 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 02 07:21 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 02 07:21 |
| schestowitz | > There are lots of math and currency symbols among many hundreds of characters…use the small pull down arrow at the top to see different categories. Must have Flash to work. Hold down Alt to Copy multi characters. | Oct 02 07:21 |
| schestowitz | I have always wanted something like that. | Oct 02 07:21 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/649845887812935680 | Oct 02 08:20 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@glynmoody: good news #genomics #opensource https://t.co/vboxjReXrN | Oct 02 08:20 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #sharing of #genomics like @glynmoody always hoped http://t.co/4GF2ezVwwg http://t.co/0yDacxImXH | Oct 02 08:20 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/nyakasanga/status/649846198057222146 | Oct 02 08:25 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@nyakasanga: Is it time to dump Ubuntu? https://t.co/hQEQSrI7mw | Oct 02 08:25 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Sources Claim Microsoft Is Buying Canonical-Ubuntu; Is There Logic Behind The Rumors? http://t.co/zHbf3g43qz no, must be BS | Oct 02 08:25 | |
| schestowitz | Unlikely to be true, though (the rumours) | Oct 02 08:25 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6655314 | Oct 02 09:09 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6654564 | Oct 02 09:09 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Not a Diaspora post? | Oct 02 09:10 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #etc asks Hilwa, who used to work for #microsoft , about Microsoft and #linux (no disclosure) http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Microsoft-Pushes-Deeper-Into-Linux-Containers-IoT-82551.html http://techrights.org/2015/04/27/microsoft-and-gartner/ | Oct 02 09:10 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.linuxinsider.com | Microsoft Pushes Deeper Into Linux, Containers, IoT | Cloud Computing | LinuxInsider [ http://ur1.ca/nwdmf ] | Oct 02 09:10 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Gartner Staff That Worked for Microsoft and the Latest Nonsense from Gartner or ‘Former’ Staff | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/k9lyv ] | Oct 02 09:10 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6654564 | Oct 02 09:11 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6654471 | Oct 02 19:21 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@linux@joindiaspora.com: OpenShot 2.0 Video Editor to Be Released Soon for Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows 10 http://news.softpedia.com/news/openshot-2-0-video-editor-to-be-released-soon-for-linux-mac-os-x-and-windows-10-493259.shtml | Oct 02 19:21 | |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 02 19:21 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> news.softpedia.com | OpenShot 2.0 Video Editor to Be Released Soon for Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows 10 - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/nw8sk ] | Oct 02 19:21 | |
| schestowitz | Meh. I have tried Pitivi, OpenShot, Kdenlive, Cinelerra and yes, when I got really desperate Lightworks and had instability, render and sync problems with ALL of them. Repeatedly. For the last 8 years, I’ve tried them all every 6 months or so to see if open source video editing on Linux is a thing yet (yes I know that there are commercial $5000+ apps that work). Every. Single. Time. even projects of pretty basic complexity fail. | Oct 02 19:21 |
| schestowitz | I have to give a special mention to Kdenlive for over and over actually looking like it was going to work and rendering properly just long enough to convince me to run with it and put hours into a full project, whereupon the sound sync fails or the renderer crashes every time, only right towards the very end (when all of the works been put in). I keep promising “never again”, but each time it actually looks like it might work this | Oct 02 19:21 |
| schestowitz | time. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 6 times in a row… yes, I’m feeling like an idiot for even trying by now. Possibly, I say possibly with all of the refactoring that’s been marged lately… No Bugsbane! Don’t get suced in again! Fingers crossed for OpenShot 2, although something is definitely fishy about how the dev keeps not showing anyone the code, not communicating for months and then doing blog posts were everything is | Oct 02 19:21 |
| schestowitz | claimed to be great. | Oct 02 19:21 |
| schestowitz | I just want ONE project to start taing the lead and becoming reliable. I don’t care who as long as it’s FOSS and it’s reliable enough that it generates an active community and high bus factor development (remember how Kdenlive almost died when JBM went AWOL?) | Oct 02 19:21 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 02 19:21 |
| schestowitz | "Quite frankly, I’m surprised that more people haven’t pointed out the sheer silliness of OpenShot 2 being an “open source” video editor, when seemingly only one person has access to see the source code to at this point, after $45,000 in funding and 2.5 years of development." | Oct 02 19:21 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 02 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Fun fact: Openshot 2 has been funded as an open source video editor without providing source for longer than Lightworks has been promising to go open (April 2013 vs August 2014). | Oct 02 19:21 |
| schestowitz | This isn’t meant to defend Lightworks. They both need to get their butts in gear and RELEASE THE SOURCE for everyone to help with. No wonder development on both is slow. sigh | Oct 02 19:21 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 02 19:21 |
| schestowitz | "note: That article linked to in this post is taking some pretty big liberties saying that it’s going to be “released soon”. The actual words of the developer in the original blog post was just that he was “committed” to releasing it “as soon as possible”. For reference, the original estimate was that it would be complete in 2013. Yes, I know it’s a mamoth task that the single dev has inexplicably chosen to take on without | Oct 02 19:22 |
| schestowitz | letting anyone else help yet, and that software dev always goes over schedule… but it’s going on for two YEARS overdue." | Oct 02 19:22 |
| schestowitz | "no, I think when they released first version 12, every mentions of “open source” has been removed…" | Oct 02 19:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 02 19:22 |
| schestowitz | you forgot Lumiera http://lumiera.org/ | Oct 02 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Forked in 2007, I don’t know if it can do yet something | Oct 02 19:23 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-lumiera.org | Lumiera | Oct 02 19:23 | |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 02 19:23 |
| schestowitz | if openshot quits being open it'll be shot | Oct 02 19:23 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 02 19:35 |
| schestowitz | > 1. I wrote: Sounds like you were a good grandson to all 4 of your grandparents and I, of course, love that trait. Sometimes it is harder to be a good son than a good grandson. How is that going? | Oct 02 19:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 02 19:35 |
| schestowitz | > 2. You wrote: I think that a lot of people lose their grandparents before they | Oct 02 19:35 |
| schestowitz | > develop the sensibilities that tell them how thankful they should be | Oct 02 19:35 |
| schestowitz | > to their grandparents (people must age themselves to truly project and | Oct 02 19:35 |
| schestowitz | > recognise the feeling), whereas as their own parents age they do have | Oct 02 19:35 |
| schestowitz | > time to look after them (maybe in their very last days). The overlap | Oct 02 19:35 |
| schestowitz | > of ages is too far apart for 2 generations apart... I now have no | Oct 02 19:35 |
| schestowitz | > grandparents left and I'm 33. | Oct 02 19:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 02 19:35 |
| schestowitz | > 3. Me: As usual you are right on target….the key word is sensibility. The age of development in people varies greatly. My grandson David is 26, but I think he had deep human feelings very early in life. There is a story I once wrote about David at age 12…. | Oct 02 19:35 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/650019197657944064 https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/650019259666538496 | Oct 02 19:49 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz I don’t assume that Microsoft will immediately give up all their patents. They may still continue to sign patent deals. | Oct 02 19:49 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz Looks like you don’t read full stories. | Oct 02 19:49 | |
| schestowitz | it's self explanatory, they're extorting another company using patents | Oct 02 19:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/650020092458213376 | Oct 02 19:51 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz i am not getting your point, we are both saying the same thing. | Oct 02 19:51 | |
| schestowitz | Well, I think Microsoft should be driven into court, maybe into bankruptcy, not reformed or absorbed into LF for instance | Oct 02 19:52 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/LinuxVeda/status/650020548936777728 | Oct 02 19:53 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@LinuxVeda: @retroDoomer @schestowitz This was the first time someone made such a remark in 10 years of my career and I am totally disgusted. | Oct 02 19:53 | |
| schestowitz | So if one shows two US CEOs and the author is from the US, pointing that out is "poor taste"? | Oct 02 19:54 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/650030914697719808 | Oct 02 20:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @LinuxVeda Ron, you really do not understand it do you. | Oct 02 20:35 | |
| schestowitz | It's poor taste to insinuate one is racist for merely mentioning something non-offensive about nationality (of nation with 1+ billion) | Oct 02 20:36 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/650033036181041152 | Oct 02 20:46 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz And I chose Android because there was no MS crap... Now, this. | Oct 02 20:46 | |
| schestowitz | Extortion | Oct 02 20:46 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/650033431389192192 | Oct 02 20:47 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @LinuxVeda no, it is pointing out something that *is* actually insinuating a racist context. | Oct 02 20:47 | |
| schestowitz | That's nonsense. All I ever said about Indians (search techrights) is positive. | Oct 02 20:47 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/650033496023547904 | Oct 02 20:47 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz If you can't beat them, infect them... :-( | Oct 02 20:48 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft calls it EEE | Oct 02 20:48 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/650034935357575168 | Oct 02 20:50 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @LinuxVeda Ron, you state in your article that Swapnil is only writing a positive article because the CEOs are Indian. You used | Oct 02 20:50 | |
| schestowitz | Of tens of thousands of people who read the article you're the only one muddying the water over it | Oct 02 20:50 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/650035177331142656 | Oct 02 20:51 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @LinuxVeda that as a basis for argument. You could easily have stated he was wrong *without* bringing race into it. | Oct 02 20:51 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/650035663564357632 | Oct 02 20:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz Yeah, old tricks, new clothes... | Oct 02 20:54 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/650035779377364992 | Oct 02 20:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @LinuxVeda come off it. I'm calling you out on one small thing which is "casual racism". You do not seem to understand this | Oct 02 20:54 | |
| schestowitz | I know what you mean by "casual racism" and using this yardstick you could say all my posts re Saudi and Singapore are "racist" | Oct 02 20:55 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/650035880313286656 | Oct 02 20:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @LinuxVeda concept, and how it affects people long-term. | Oct 02 20:55 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/650036741072666624 | Oct 02 21:00 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Kissinger didn't only put right-wingers in power, he also removed them if they got uppity. | Oct 02 21:00 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/650050277710667778 | Oct 02 21:53 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@fcassia: @schestowitz open APIs? browser-agnostic? time for a FTC - DOJ antitrust action if not? | Oct 02 21:53 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Politicolnews/status/650050393628614656 | Oct 02 21:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Politicolnews: @br_uk @schestowitz More corporate corruption. | Oct 02 21:54 | |
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| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3n5r0o/the_microsoft_loves_linux_baloney_is_still_being/?limit=500 | Oct 03 06:22 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.reddit.com | The ‘Microsoft Loves Linux’ Baloney is Still Being Floated in the Media While Microsoft Attacks Linux With Patents, New Lawsuits Reported : linux [ http://ur1.ca/nwll7 ] | Oct 03 06:22 | |
| schestowitz | "A USB hub that runs Linux? orly?" | Oct 03 06:22 |
| schestowitz | "I've seen toasters on the net that run Linux." | Oct 03 06:22 |
| schestowitz | "With projects like Free60 you can get potatoes on the net that also run Linux." | Oct 03 06:22 |
| schestowitz | http://free60.org/wiki/Main_Page | Oct 03 06:22 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-free60.org | Free60 | Oct 03 06:22 | |
| schestowitz | I thought you meant literal spuds. I was disappointed. | Oct 03 06:23 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:23 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:23 |
| schestowitz | Here, hope this brightens your day: Hackers Successfully Install Linux on a Potato. | Oct 03 06:23 |
| schestowitz | Edit: no specifics on the distro, but one would hope it was based on Debian Potato. | Oct 03 06:23 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bbspot.com/news/2008/12/linux-on-a-potato.html | Oct 03 06:23 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.bbspot.com | BBspot - Hackers Successfully Install Linux on a Potato [ http://ur1.ca/12eb ] | Oct 03 06:23 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.debian.org/releases/potato/installguide/ | Oct 03 06:23 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.debian.org | Debian -- Installing Debian Potato [ http://ur1.ca/nwlld ] | Oct 03 06:23 | |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:23 |
| schestowitz | Is this for real? I can't tell. | Oct 03 06:23 |
| schestowitz | EDIT: I'm an idiot. It is satire. | Oct 03 06:23 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:23 |
| schestowitz | "Well, to be fair... I did play it straight. Thanks for helping with the punch line! Have an upvote, my friend." | Oct 03 06:23 |
| schestowitz | "I've seen dead badgers that run Linux." | Oct 03 06:23 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:24 |
| schestowitz | While it may be perfectly fine to share the "fuck microsoft" sentiment here, a sentiment I firmly agree with on ALL fronts from enterprise to enduser... I've attempted to argue against Microsoft over in /r/sysadmin and had actual threats sent to my PM. One guy said "you don't know shit about what you're talking about, typical linux admin faggot, I feel sorry for your whole family and maybe someone should relieve them and you of all your | Oct 03 06:24 |
| schestowitz | misery" | Oct 03 06:24 |
| schestowitz | I mean I laughed that off, but Microsoft as a company and their supporters just seem to be shitting the bed at this point. They're nothing more than a company with a ton of userbase by default and a ton of money to do whatever they want. I could probably write a very long book about what a pile of shit they are. | Oct 03 06:24 |
| schestowitz | This "adoption" of linux is nothing more than a clear attempt to infiltrate the community, start introducing proprietary fucking bullshit into builds and distribution circles and then pull the rug out from under it. That's what they do. They're anti-progress. | Oct 03 06:24 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:24 |
| schestowitz | "Bad idea. The place is mainly full of people asking how to upgrade Exchange or ActiveDirectory all bloody day." | Oct 03 06:24 |
| schestowitz | "That sub is just a reflection of "standard" corporate IT where the primary technology needs are supporting desktops that need email and a file server. So it's basically a Microsoft shitshow." | Oct 03 06:24 |
| schestowitz | " I've attempted to argue against Microsoft over in /r/sysadmin" | Oct 03 06:24 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:25 |
| schestowitz | When I worked in IT, I found that the "need" for Windows was often based on a scared "technology exec" who felt better about having a server gui that looked like their desktop computer (with the ability to right click on things and hunt around to fix problems) Whenever our teams brought up linux, we'd get hit with "but if you leave, I won't be able to find someone to manage it". (forgetting the fact that I'm not the only person in the | Oct 03 06:25 |
| schestowitz | world with Linux experience) | Oct 03 06:25 |
| schestowitz | It was mostly based on fear. It's scary, and windows is so pretty and easy. | Oct 03 06:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:25 |
| schestowitz | "SUSE is so pretty and easy too, and it's linux underneath. " | Oct 03 06:25 |
| schestowitz | "It's probably to do with the fact for most Corporate IT Tasks. AD, File Service, Email Server, etc Microsoft has nailed it in ease of setup compared to the Linux versions. People pay money for that, considering how much a salary costs." | Oct 03 06:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:26 |
| schestowitz | I'm fine with that. I've administered both Linux mail (Postfix and the qmail) and exchange. I've done both openLDAP and AD. | Oct 03 06:26 |
| schestowitz | I can say the next->next->I agree-->next->finish Microsoft setup is indeed easy. And if nothing goes wrong, life is perfect. But... Do you have a jjohnson1@yourdomain.com? For no other reason than you flat out couldn't associate a mailbox properly?? | Oct 03 06:26 |
| schestowitz | I'm sure there's a fix somewhere. But it's not simple. As much as the CLI can be a pain, it's simple to reason with. (From my perspective) | Oct 03 06:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:27 |
| schestowitz | This is a pretty major point that people overlook. Time how long it takes to set up AD vs how long it takes to manually configure Kerberos/LDAP. Someone is paying me for my time, and they want me to fix as many issues in my workday as possible. They don't want me to spend the majority of my day setting up one server function. | Oct 03 06:27 |
| schestowitz | So many people get caught up in the "free" and the "libre" that they forget about practicality. | Oct 03 06:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:27 |
| schestowitz | I work with $5k to $10k worth of QAM/streaming equipment. The Windows software that's needed to keep my stuff working properly and to provide my engineers with a working cable enviornment works flawlessly. | Oct 03 06:27 |
| schestowitz | The Linux counterpart is shit. They try, and they try really hard, but it's terrible. | Oct 03 06:27 |
| schestowitz | Our entire engineering department runs on Linux. We have a no-Windows rule for end-users and engineers. Even then, we still need Windows for many different things and it has very little to do with "scared of not having Windows". | Oct 03 06:27 |
| schestowitz | EDIT: No, that's cool. Downvote me because there's more to enterprise computing then giving a bunch of pencil pushers email access, and how you can't just up and replace it all with Linux, and how it's all because of ignorance. | Oct 03 06:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:27 |
| schestowitz | "I didn't touch your votes. But hey, keep in mind, you're talking about a vendor app, not core MS technology. (Gave you an upvote, thanks for your reply)" | Oct 03 06:28 |
| schestowitz | "It's pretty disappointing that you're being downvoted like that. Linux is the better platform, but if the applications running on it (in this case, presumably vendor garbage) are terrible then the platform becomes irrelevant" | Oct 03 06:28 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:28 |
| schestowitz | That's the hard part about these Anti Microsoft threads. I genuinely believe that most of the time Linux offers a better solution in some form. I love Linux and I love using it and learning more about it. | Oct 03 06:28 |
| schestowitz | But the simple fact of the matter is that some things are just better on Windows. And we need to be okay with the fact that there is hard reasoning for a lot of companies to continue using Windows. | Oct 03 06:28 |
| schestowitz | The world of tech companies is not divided into crazy complex source code builders and pencil pushers who just think Office 365 is the best option. | Oct 03 06:28 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:28 |
| schestowitz | "Windows administration is largely command-line nowadays. " | Oct 03 06:29 |
| schestowitz | "No way. I'm sure it's possible, but I' equally sure most people don't use it. The only MS selling point is GUI for everything. If you want command line, just grab your bash." | Oct 03 06:29 |
| schestowitz | "As someone who works as a sysadmin and is subscribed to /r/sysadmin, allow me to assure you that you are very, very out of touch with what large scale enterprise IT entails, and it's not just "supporting desktops that need email and a file server"." | Oct 03 06:29 |
| schestowitz | "Yeah, I browse that sub pretty frequently and it's definitely Microsoft-heavy in there. Not a bad thing; just something to keep in mind." | Oct 03 06:29 |
| schestowitz | "I was kind of surprised my question about drbd went nearly unanswered, sans one kind soul who helped me out. I thought that a "forum for professional system administrators" would lean linux, not windows shops. Like /u/mrcrassic said, it's not a bad thing, I am just kind of surprised there are so many companies that are paying to run Windows platforms for enterprise applications that may or may not be necessary." | Oct 03 06:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:30 |
| schestowitz | I've just signed up for a new reddit account as I criticised a couple of things with respect to Microsoft. My account had the shit pummelled out of it. | Oct 03 06:30 |
| schestowitz | To be clear I'm primarily a Microsoft software dev and am an MSDN member but I look after a lot of Linux kit we use as well (CentOS). Ive been developing software on DOS/Windows since 1992 and a daily Linux user since 1997. I'm about as balanced as it gets in the scale of things. I'm a pragmatist not a zealot. | Oct 03 06:30 |
| schestowitz | However my crime was clearly to suggest that this organisational change is just another marketing change and they are still a bunch of scumbags underneath the facade. The same people who get fucked every year by VL and license hikes just keep licking ass. | Oct 03 06:31 |
| schestowitz | No one should be immune from criticism. | Oct 03 06:31 |
| schestowitz | As for me, I've been treated like shit by Microsoft for years. No more. | Oct 03 06:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:31 |
| schestowitz | Nadella does things very differently to Ballmer. I don't disagree about the expensive pricing (still not as extortionate as IBM or Oracle mind you) and the way things are going is much more in keeping with what Linux is doing. They are trying to eat *nix's lunch. They've taken a big bite out of VMWare for instance and I don't see that trend reversing. | Oct 03 06:31 |
| schestowitz | I'm a sysadmin and I'm happier with what Microsoft offer lately because it's more in keeping with what Linux does. Applications (Exchange, SQL) are moving towards being disposable instances with a storage platform in the background. It's a good way of doing things. | Oct 03 06:31 |
| schestowitz | The weakness of Microsoft is that they don't want to play nicely with anyone. The normal business strategy is to go along with things until they can either subsume or consume it. Linux contributors have to start circling the wagons before they do too much damage. | Oct 03 06:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:32 |
| schestowitz | You're right with the observation of their work, but the motivation I suspect is to get more people to move to their Azure platform so they can be milked like cows. Once you're there, and this is a big trap with the cloud IaaS platforms (AWS as well), is that some services aren't portable and then you're stuck. | Oct 03 06:32 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't matter to them if you're using Windows or Linux then. | Oct 03 06:32 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:32 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:32 |
| schestowitz | It depends how you provide the services on that platform. Using Azure as a virtual datacentre is a cost-effective way of offering application resilience (As much as any other cloud provider, YMMV). The main benefit is the integration with System Centre Azure Web Pack I can push up and pull down VMs from cloud to on-premise relatively easily. They've packaged that all up as Operations Management Suite now which is their effort to cast that | Oct 03 06:32 |
| schestowitz | net wide and fight against VMWare's vRealize product. | Oct 03 06:32 |
| schestowitz | However they will start offering more bespoke, cut-down offerings which are cheaper but will have the hidden pricetag of low or impossible portability as you say. It's up to operations to make informed choices about their infrastructure. It's all about business risk and profitability at the end of the day. I'm saying that as someone who has to look after an IBM i system and deals with their eye-wateringly expensive licensing. | Oct 03 06:32 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:32 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:32 |
| schestowitz | Personally I'll be avoiding any prepackaged solution from a IaaS provider as much as I can. | Oct 03 06:32 |
| schestowitz | What I want from an IaaS provider: | Oct 03 06:32 |
| schestowitz | A VM | Oct 03 06:32 |
| schestowitz | A way to access the VMs console | Oct 03 06:32 |
| schestowitz | A way to hook a netowork interface on that VM into one of my current vlans | Oct 03 06:32 |
| schestowitz | Everything else I want to do myself. I don't want tools to push an image. I don't want management tools to the VM. I don't want their scalability scripts. | Oct 03 06:32 |
| schestowitz | I just want a bare VM. | Oct 03 06:32 |
| schestowitz | I've got auto build systems here. I've got multiple box management here. That I can do. What I can't do, is get myself a near unlimited supply of fresh VMs immediatly. | Oct 03 06:33 |
| schestowitz | Trying to use any of their tools can only ever result in being locked into that provider. And fuck that. | Oct 03 06:33 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:33 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:34 |
| schestowitz | I made the mistake to choose AWS for my current project. I just wanted a "datacenter",too, but it turns out there are a lot of resources to manage (vms, security groups, networks, storage, credentials) and we basically have written an API client for the AWS api now. The system as a whole is very un-portable now (we provision and destroy a about a hundred VMs each day along with the associated resources, and the API is slow and unstable as | Oct 03 06:34 |
| schestowitz | shit). | Oct 03 06:34 |
| schestowitz | Last night I experienced the ultimate vendor lock-in: One of our machine templates had a faulty fstab and failed to boot (nofail not set). Because this image originally came from the marketplace (official CentOS 7), it had a so-called "marketplace code" embedded. These codes are designed to protect proprietary appliances from inspection and it's impossible to mount the images in another machines. I had to scrap all the associated VMs and | Oct 03 06:34 |
| schestowitz | re-provision them. | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | The "cloud"/IaaS is just virtualization, with crucial features taken away, slower and more expensive. It's designed to lock you in. If it's not too late for you, rent some real hardware and install your favourite vm manager on it. | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | If it's not too late for you, rent some real hardware and install your favourite vm manager on it. | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | We've got that already. | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | The problem with have with it, is being able to scale from 3 VMs in a product to 300 VMs in the product for a couple of days. We just can't maintain that much hardware for the occasional big hit. | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | Because this image originally came from the marketplace | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | ding ding ding | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | This is exactly the type of thing I want to avoid like the plague. I'm not saying I can avoid it. Just that I will at all costs. | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | As it stands, I'm in a heavily red-hat environment. We'll be using Red Hat Satellite (using foreman) to deploy boxes (not images) to different virtual datacenters. Each install will start as a plain Red Hat install, which will then be tweaked as little as possible to the environment. | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | I will not be downloading someone else's image for my system. Yes, this already has my management team in tears when they see how quick and easy the cloud is. | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | "It's the official distribution method of CentOS unfortunately :-( I used this specifically because I wanted to avoid to get an AMI from the "public" list that some guy on the internet build. I'd rather use the one that the CentOS project built. Probably the CentOS guys should change their mind about that though..." | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | We build our own CentOS images with http://packer.io/ | Oct 03 06:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://packer.io/ ) | Oct 03 06:35 | |
| schestowitz | The "some guy on the internet" builds are scary sometimes plus you just don't know what you're using. | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | That's exactly it. Nothing else. However they have a crazy batshit network system over at AWS which forces to you use bits of their glue to do anything simpler than raise a single host on a public IP. Azure is going the same way. | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | Also while I'm here: fuck EBS. | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, I've heard the network guys battling with similar. Trying my damndest to keep out of the way. | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | It's a shame that all the big players are going with mass lock in, rather than just providing a good service. | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | But then most people seem to be cool with using one "easy" provider, and don't see how that could be a problem *sigh* | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | "Yes I agree with you. It's the reason we haven't moved from Exchange to O365, it simply doesn't have the flexibility that full fat / on-premise does. That's fine for some people but not me." | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | "Isn't "Microsoft Linux" an internal-only product for a specific kind of switch used in Microsoft's datacenters? | Oct 03 06:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:36 |
| schestowitz | "Yep, and they built it on stuff that they themselves contributed in some cases." | Oct 03 06:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:36 |
| schestowitz | They contributed the Azure cloud switch to the open compute project. | Oct 03 06:36 |
| schestowitz | If it's an open project, meaning they probably submitted everything that it took to create the thing code wise, why would they implement the thing with Windows if they have no intention of publishing Windows' closed source? If they had submitted a Windows based solution to the project the circle-jerk around that would have been unbelievable. | Oct 03 06:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:36 |
| schestowitz | This was the first thing coming to my head. It was the same with Hyper-V, the same thing with media codecs for video, the same thing with common technology known as mp3 (and lack of alternatives) and it will be probably the same for any sandboxing technology (having lxc in mind) once Microsoft goes mobile with Linux. | Oct 03 06:36 |
| schestowitz | I might have lost some weird stuff out, so there are couple more cases why Microsoft sued Motorola which were so absurd they got probably deleted in my head directly after reading this docx file with 310 patent cases vs. Google last year. | Oct 03 06:36 |
| schestowitz | I mean, there's stuff in there that is entitled "System and Apparatus For Sending Complete Responses To Truncated Electronic Mail Messages On A Mobile Device". Seriously? That is patent-able? | Oct 03 06:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:37 |
| schestowitz | "They just settled with Google." | Oct 03 06:37 |
| schestowitz | "we should do a tag before microsoft forks Linux into an abomination." | Oct 03 06:37 |
| schestowitz | Now come some kill the messenger people: | Oct 03 06:38 |
| schestowitz | ... | Oct 03 06:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:38 |
| schestowitz | Hijacking top comment for visibility: | Oct 03 06:38 |
| schestowitz | Can we please not feed the trolls at techrights.org? They're the open source equivalent of Fox News. While they may occasionally write something reasonable by accident, they spew misinformation and insanity. | Oct 03 06:38 |
| schestowitz | From completely misunderstanding how the GPL works (you don't need to give the code if you don't give the resulting binary either!), to assuming that a Windows Update security breach is obviously intentional (Windows doesn't have great security, but come on! It's insanity to think they want hackers to break Windows boxes), to Windows is dying!1!one!. And that's only the articles from the last 3 weeks, this is a regular gig for them. Shock | Oct 03 06:38 |
| schestowitz | and horror headlines, misleading and inflammatory language, and misunderstanding or ignoring facts. | Oct 03 06:38 |
| schestowitz | It's clickbait for open-source enthusiasts. Please don't endorse this. | Oct 03 06:38 |
| schestowitz | With that being said, I agree that Microsoft's open source initiatives need to be treated with skepticism and restraint as they have a hell of a lot of lost trust to recover, but that's no excuse to link techrights' insane ramblings. | Oct 03 06:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:38 |
| schestowitz | "Thanks for explaining this. I stopped reading the article the moment the words "indoctrinated peons" popped up because I figured it'd be a sensationalist piece of nonsense." | Oct 03 06:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:38 |
| schestowitz | Among many other problems with the article... | Oct 03 06:38 |
| schestowitz | Remember who created and runs Intellectual Ventures. | Oct 03 06:38 |
| schestowitz | Ex-Microsoft and Intel employees. That charge Microsoft and Intel for patents. | Oct 03 06:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:38 |
| schestowitz | Detkin? | Oct 03 06:38 |
| schestowitz | "Fox News is bad, but it's not that bad. You want to see bad, go to WorldNetDaily or BreitBart. That's some seriously insane shit. These stories you reference sound more like the equivalent of WND, with stories about FEMA camps preparing for mass graves and stuff like that." | Oct 03 06:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:39 |
| schestowitz | Not saying I disagree with you, I don't (to clarify, I agree with you), but you can't really blame Microsoft for having their bottom line in mind for this move. Yes it's absolute bullshit; but if businesses don't maximize their market value what good are they? | Oct 03 06:39 |
| schestowitz | This is just a move to bring in more revenue, sell software (as you said) and so on; but you can't really say they're anti-progress, I would just say they're any other business. Money over everything. | Oct 03 06:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:39 |
| schestowitz | "Screwing over your customers shouldn't be considered "normal business"." | Oct 03 06:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:40 |
| schestowitz | That's ridiculous. All of it. | Oct 03 06:40 |
| schestowitz | If that happened, that guy is a douchebag. One reason why there is antagonism is actually because of the constant "you guys don't respect freedom" refrain from Linux "evangelists". I personally feel like for a lot of people it isn't about Linux being a superior platform it's about being Right vs people who are Wrong. These same people see MS as this oppressor that really serves as a surrogate for all of the other forces bearing down on | Oct 03 06:40 |
| schestowitz | them in their lives. | Oct 03 06:40 |
| schestowitz | Lot's of people who are just sysadmins and NOT advocates for a particular world view or political ideology get really tired of being told that they are actively making the world worse because of some tool they use at their job. | Oct 03 06:40 |
| schestowitz | It's crazy how intense things have gotten on the internet. It's weird how quickly death threats come out, for instance. Linux users do it too. LP and systemd for instance. | Oct 03 06:40 |
| schestowitz | Is Microsoft still pursuing patent bullshit? Yes. So is Google, and Apple, and Samsung, and Lenovo, and IBM, and etc etc etc... | Oct 03 06:40 |
| schestowitz | Is there a plan to subvert Linux from the inside? No. That's fucking stupid. I wish that there was a struggle like that that would allow us all to clothe ourselves in the righteous robes of a just cause but require nothing from us but our acerbic comments on a message board. There are real problems in the world and this just isn't one. | Oct 03 06:40 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:40 |
| schestowitz | "True. Wholly agree." | Oct 03 06:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:41 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft historically has been a bad actor and will logically continue to do so and giving them money or support does make the world a worse place albeit in a small and incremental way. | Oct 03 06:41 |
| schestowitz | Are you a horrible person? Of course not but you aren't doing the best you could either. | Oct 03 06:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:41 |
| schestowitz | IBM has been a bad actor... NIKE has been a bad actor... Boeing has been a bad actor... ADM has been a bad actor... GM has been a bad actor... GE has been a bad actor... EXXON has been a bad actor... SONY has been a bad actor... WELLS FARGO has been a bad actor... | Oct 03 06:41 |
| schestowitz | I'm just trying to point out that just trying to navigate your way through life in the west means that you will encounter entities that are literally designed to be amoral. Most of the entities that I just mentioned have actually been involved in violent loss of life. Does that make you culpable because you bought gas or shoes or use electricity? If so, then just using "ethical software" is not going to absolve you. See what I mean? If my | Oct 03 06:41 |
| schestowitz | using Windows makes the world a worse place, then our use of all kinds of things make us both murderers... are we both murderers? | Oct 03 06:41 |
| schestowitz | "" | Oct 03 06:41 |
| schestowitz | You can't avoid dealing with scum but you can make an effort to minimize it as much is feasible/possible. | Oct 03 06:41 |
| schestowitz | All or nothing is a false dichotomy. | Oct 03 06:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:41 |
| schestowitz | "Wish I could upvote you more than once. I really don't give a shit about OS politics. I did when I was younger, then I grew up. Use the tool that's right for the job at hand, and move on. As you said, Google, Apple, Samsung, HP, Dell, they all have patents that are dumb and they have to enforce them or they'll lose them. That's the nature of the beast. No operating system is perfect, and they all have strengths and weaknesses." | Oct 03 06:42 |
| schestowitz | "I gave a second upvote for you. Not many online communities escape the nature of being online and anonymous where people with strong opinions become tough because their face and name isn't on it. Or maybe they just like the shock they can instill similar to the headlines we see here lol" | Oct 03 06:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:43 |
| schestowitz | I've attempted to argue against Microsoft over in /r/sysadmin | Oct 03 06:43 |
| schestowitz | Why would you do that? There's no point 'arguing against' something someone has to support and use. | Oct 03 06:43 |
| schestowitz | I mean, don't get me wrong, if I can use Linux I generally will but if you're using Windows desktops you're basically obligated to use a certain amount of Microsoft infrastructure on the back end too. There's nothing more infuriating than a Linux admin saying 'You don't need AD, Samba 4 does LDAP' followed by 'oh, what's Group Policy?' | Oct 03 06:43 |
| schestowitz | EDIT: I take it you were using another account because you haven't posted much in /r/sysadmin at all on this one. | Oct 03 06:43 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:43 |
| schestowitz | "I love how you talk about Microsoft having a ton of money while Linux is a multi-BILLION dollar industry. You seem to leave that out in your misrepresented context." | Oct 03 06:43 |
| schestowitz | "I got downvoted to oblivion for the same stuff..." | Oct 03 06:43 |
| schestowitz | "" | Oct 03 06:43 |
| schestowitz | "v<obligatory "Microsoft Loves Linux" article warning>" | Oct 03 06:44 |
| schestowitz | http://i.imgur.com/TbykG0r.jpg | Oct 03 06:44 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3n5r0o/the_microsoft_loves_linux_baloney_is_still_being/?limit=500 | Oct 03 06:44 |
| schestowitz | "It's something they've done for years: embrace, extend, extinguish. Take an open standard add proprietary crap then adoption of your tool breaks the competitor in the eyes of the user. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish" | Oct 03 06:44 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.reddit.com | The ‘Microsoft Loves Linux’ Baloney is Still Being Floated in the Media While Microsoft Attacks Linux With Patents, New Lawsuits Reported : linux [ http://ur1.ca/nwll7 ] | Oct 03 06:45 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.m.wikipedia.org | Embrace, extend and extinguish - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nwlq5 ] | Oct 03 06:45 | |
| schestowitz | And this is bad... why exactly? Competitors are free to make their own extensions, and make them open of they want. If what they make is better, people will use it. If people find value in Microsoft's proprietary product and prefer to use that, why is that evil? | Oct 03 06:45 |
| schestowitz | "Maybe in the 90's...doesn't really happen anymore. You know they actually contribute code to the kernel, right? There are lot's of people at MS that want to participate in Open Source as good citizens. It's changed a lot. That being said, is it going to stop being a corporation? Probably not." | Oct 03 06:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ecis.eu/documents/Finalversion_Consumerchoicepaper.pdf http://techrights.org/2015/02/07/foss-infiltration-and-interference/ | Oct 03 06:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:45 |
| schestowitz | More like since the 80's all the way to the end of the 00's... | Oct 03 06:45 |
| schestowitz | But you may be right, EEE is no longer their thing.. They are going all into Embrace, Extend, Deceive, Abuse and Diffuse. | Oct 03 06:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:46 |
| schestowitz | "Why on earth would you trust that it won't happen again?" | Oct 03 06:46 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | The Latest Microsoft Strategy: Embrace, Extend, Deceive, Abuse and Diffuse | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nwlqg ] | Oct 03 06:46 | |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:46 |
| schestowitz | Mainly because most of the accusations during the 1990s were nonsense, and Microsoft doesn't have the market leverage they once had. Sun was a much bigger enemy of Linux than Microsoft ever was. (Source: I worked at Microsoft, Sun, and Netscape during the antitrust case.) | Oct 03 06:46 |
| schestowitz | This ship has sailed. Linux people should be a lot more concerned about Google. | Oct 03 06:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:46 |
| schestowitz | "Feel free to point out which accusations were nonsense shall I start making a list of bad behavior for you running from inception to current or would you just like to drop it now?" | Oct 03 06:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:46 |
| schestowitz | Actually, I'd like to see /u/rtechie1 refute such a list. I'm old enough that I remember seeing it at the time, but unfortunately, also old enough that my memory needs to be jogged. | Oct 03 06:46 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft did a lot of bad things WRT Linux. SCO may have been the tipping point, though. | Oct 03 06:47 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:47 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:47 |
| schestowitz | I've attempted to argue against Microsoft over in /r/sysadmin[1] and had actual threats sent to my PM. | Oct 03 06:47 |
| schestowitz | Mainly because linux "fans" have been spreading hysterical lies about Microsoft since the 1990s. And really fucking over Linux as a platform in the process. | Oct 03 06:47 |
| schestowitz | The great enemy of Linux was Sun Microsystems, now Oracle, not Microsoft. | Oct 03 06:47 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:47 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:47 |
| schestowitz | Even without bringing patents in it, <3 Linux is bull. | Oct 03 06:47 |
| schestowitz | This is business-as-usual. Microsoft has lost mobile and they've lost cloud-computing while desktops are not a growth market. Leverage the desktop monopoly where you can, and use that to make inroads into markets where you're weak. | Oct 03 06:47 |
| schestowitz | "Embrace, extend, extinguish" is not a new concept. Lower the barrier to entry and sell at a loss if necessary. Differentiate yourself and lock the user into your platform. These strategies aren't even unique to Microsoft, they're just good at it. | Oct 03 06:47 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:47 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:47 |
| schestowitz | Lower the barrier to entry and sell at a loss if necessary. Differentiate yourself and lock the user into your platform. These strategies aren't even unique to Microsoft, they're just good at it. | Oct 03 06:47 |
| schestowitz | That is actually what MS is doing with Win10. Not 100% sure as to why, right now, but that is definitely their current strategy. | Oct 03 06:47 |
| schestowitz | Lower the barrier to entry and sell at a loss if necessary | Oct 03 06:47 |
| schestowitz | They're giving it away right now. | Oct 03 06:47 |
| schestowitz | Differentiate yourself | Oct 03 06:47 |
| schestowitz | They integrated Cortana into the desktop experience while further polishing up the user interface | Oct 03 06:48 |
| schestowitz | lock the user into your platform | Oct 03 06:48 |
| schestowitz | For gamers this is DirectX 12, the main competitor to Vulkan. | Oct 03 06:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:48 |
| schestowitz | That is actually what MS is doing with Win10. Not 100% sure as to why, right now, but that is definitely their current strategy. | Oct 03 06:48 |
| schestowitz | OS Subscriptions. Get everyone on to the 'starter' kernel and then charge a recurring fee for updates. They can throw in Office products to sweeten the deal. Software As A Recurring Revenue Stream. | Oct 03 06:48 |
| schestowitz | The next logical step after that is to stop offering Windows as an installable product at all. Just have a thin client -> cloud VDI setup which you pay a monthly fee for. From a consumer service perspective there's nothing wrong with this at all. From technology, competition and privacy perspectives it's gross. | Oct 03 06:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:48 |
| schestowitz | I actually think it's more about transitioning to tracking the users, selling the info and targeting advertising. If you're not paying for it, you're the product, not the customer." | Oct 03 06:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:48 |
| schestowitz | If you're not paying for it, you're the product, not the customer. | Oct 03 06:48 |
| schestowitz | We're in a Linux subreddit by the way. | Oct 03 06:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:48 |
| schestowitz | "Amazon lens anyone?" | Oct 03 06:48 |
| schestowitz | "Kind of an isolated issue really by one vendor ever. One distro out of nearly 300" | Oct 03 06:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:49 |
| schestowitz | Or, it's about maintaining the enterprise market. Keeping the consumers on Windows means keeping enterprise customers on Windows, which is where all of the licensing money is. It's similar what they have been doing with VS (giving it away to schools, free community editions). A lot of companies give away their software for free/cheap so that when their consumer is working for a company later on they will want to use that software (because | Oct 03 06:49 |
| schestowitz | they are familiar with it), and their company will pay for it. | Oct 03 06:49 |
| schestowitz | Earlier Microsoft was able to get away with charging consumers for Windows, but now that the competition is tighter they need to be more aggressive at recruiting people onto the platform. | Oct 03 06:49 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:49 |
| schestowitz | "The Windows client keeps the whole Microsoft ecosystem alive. The integration between it and their core products is how they make their money. I work for a non-profit which means we get extremely preferential Microsoft licensing. The level of integration between Sharepoint, Exchange (Implicitly Outlook and thus Office), SQL, Windows and Windows Server is pretty damn deep. Extricating even a small part of that to run on *nix is riddled | Oct 03 06:49 |
| schestowitz | with problems because of propietry behaviour." | Oct 03 06:49 |
| schestowitz | "what makes you say microsoft has lost cloud computing? just wondering." | Oct 03 06:49 |
| schestowitz | "seriously... Azure is everywhere it seems.... I can't get away from it, but nobody I know uses it and I've never used it." | Oct 03 06:49 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:50 |
| schestowitz | Disclaimer: I work for a large Microsoft partner as the Linux guy amongst other hats. We do private sector financial software that was desktop windows only and is being moved to the web. Everyone we see who does cloudy stuff is using office 365 for the desktop software bundled only with a 33%ish uptake on their hosted exchange or uses Google Apps. As for infrastructure, Azure has little hold. Most people are either using Colo/onsite kit | Oct 03 06:50 |
| schestowitz | still (even though they're being screwed harder every year for license) or using AWS. | Oct 03 06:50 |
| schestowitz | Everyone wants out. One of our clients, an ActiveX and IE7 stallwart just deployed Chrome to their legacy infrastructure and turned off their desktop apps. They use Chromebooks and Android for mobile staff already. | Oct 03 06:50 |
| schestowitz | One of the reasons you see such a high use of Azure is that MS now use it internally for their outward facing stuff. When Azure shits a brick, which it does occasionally you watch all the other services disappear. That and public sector stuff like edu and gov. | Oct 03 06:50 |
| schestowitz | As for us, we're starting to push services onto Linux with docker/node and killing off our ASP.Net behemoth. Times have changed. Most people have Linux VMs and there are more Macs than windows 10 machines in the office. | Oct 03 06:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:50 |
| schestowitz | I reeeeeaaaally need to mess with docker more.... gahhh! | Oct 03 06:50 |
| schestowitz | I honestly made the switch to linux and... really? I like it, but I'm not knowledgeable enough about it to say whether it's more or less secure than windows. All I know is that it's great to develop in and even better to install tools in. | Oct 03 06:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:50 |
| schestowitz | Docker isnt perfect but its nice. We're pretty much just using it as a build target and a way of isolating the distribution's usually ancient packages from the application and making stuff repeatable and automating it. Want to upgrade postgresql? Edit dockerfile, docker build then publish and everyone can then snag that version without having to be a DBA. | Oct 03 06:50 |
| schestowitz | A bold statement but security is a pretty big non issue these days at the platform level. If you keep your eyes peeled and make sure you follow best practices for deploying your platform of choice there is little difference. Most of the critical vectors are going to be in what you build, not the platform. | Oct 03 06:50 |
| schestowitz | As for development, I agree. Testament to the obtuseness of windows, it has taken me nearly a week to get an automated windows build working with packer/vagrant. So many concerns and bits of powershell floating around. The same thing for CentOS took me a couple of hours. | Oct 03 06:50 |
| schestowitz | "" | Oct 03 06:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:50 |
| schestowitz | That's what we're using it for- a good environment to mess around in while we develop. | Oct 03 06:50 |
| schestowitz | Testament to the obtuseness of windows, it has taken me nearly a week to get an automated windows build working with packer/vagrant. | Oct 03 06:50 |
| schestowitz | ... do we work together? .....andy? | Oct 03 06:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:50 |
| schestowitz | There's no one called Andy in our team so no we don't work together :) | Oct 03 06:50 |
| schestowitz | Looking at the packer and vagrant issue tracker it appears that there are lots of people having the same trouble :( | Oct 03 06:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:50 |
| schestowitz | it has taken me nearly a week to get an automated windows build working with packer/vagrant. | Oct 03 06:50 |
| schestowitz | You're using the wrong tool for the job. Windows uses System Center Orchestrator. | Oct 03 06:51 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:51 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:51 |
| schestowitz | You're probably right if a) you're managing windows machines which is not our long term goal and b) we had $120k for the licenses floating around for all our kit (yes we quoted it) and c) it actually works properly, which it doesn't. | Oct 03 06:51 |
| schestowitz | Also the CentOS 7 master build took about 5 hours to get production ready with AMI, VMX images being produced ready keyed up and primed for management with ansible. That cost, err, well fuck all to be honest and always will cost fuck all. | Oct 03 06:51 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:51 |
| schestowitz | "Ha ha $120K... people without Linux in their toolkit are going to get increasingly shafted." | Oct 03 06:51 |
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| schestowitz | "Look at LXC as well. LXC is going to be much closer to VMs than Docker is, unless you specifically want Docker's container-as-a-distribution-method philosophy. LXC is designed to be a full system like a VM from the get go, Docker is designed to run a single application. I vastly prefer LXC with a configuration management system to Docker's rebuild and redeploy strategy. That being said, Docker will provide a more stable redeploy process | Oct 03 06:51 |
| schestowitz | if you're just deploying the same containers over and over again since you're just powering up a clone of a container rather than provisioning a fresh system." | Oct 03 06:51 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:51 |
| schestowitz | "Amazon has over 50 percent of the market." | Oct 03 06:51 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:51 |
| schestowitz | AWS has more market share then the next 3 leading competitors or so(from the last numbers I have seen). They are HUGE. | Oct 03 06:51 |
| schestowitz | The market share comes from them offering all major platforms(Linux[including a home grown RHEL rebuild], Windows, and BSD), being the cheapest around(due to their no profit management style. Either the money goes back in or they lower their prices), and finally having regions world wide and easily move data from one region to another. | Oct 03 06:51 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:51 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:51 |
| schestowitz | Amazon has over 50 percent of the market. | Oct 03 06:51 |
| schestowitz | Wow. | Oct 03 06:51 |
| schestowitz | AWS has more market share then the next 3 leading competitors or so(from the last numbers I have seen). They are HUGE. | Oct 03 06:51 |
| schestowitz | Yes, that is what it means. If you have >50% market share, then by definition that 50+% is greater than all others combined because they cannot amount to more than 50%. | Oct 03 06:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:52 |
| schestowitz | Derp yeah. But the source for that information came from a gartner report last year or so. | Oct 03 06:52 |
| schestowitz | EDIT: Just looked it up, the current report is 10x bigger then its competitors combined. http://www.networkworld.com/article/2925186/cloud-computing/gartner-amazon-s-cloud-is-10x-bigger-than-its-next-14-competitors-combined.html | Oct 03 06:52 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.networkworld.com | Gartner: Amazon’s cloud is 10x bigger than its next 14 competitors, combined | Network World [ http://ur1.ca/nwlrn ] | Oct 03 06:52 | |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:52 |
| schestowitz | "10x bigger means that, with 11x being the total market, Amazon is 10/11ths (≥91% market share)." | Oct 03 06:52 |
| schestowitz | "To be fair, I am not the one that said 50% :)" | Oct 03 06:52 |
| schestowitz | "To be even more fairer than you, I'm just trying to be informative, normalizing statistics for comparison and all." | Oct 03 06:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:52 |
| schestowitz | being the cheapest around(due to their no profit management style. | Oct 03 06:52 |
| schestowitz | And GCE pushing them down. Google was cheaper in many ways until Amazon ate into its overhead and answered. For many usages Google still is cheaper. | Oct 03 06:52 |
| schestowitz | Also, the three you have are good, but the actual answers to their adoption rate are: | Oct 03 06:52 |
| schestowitz | Being first at significant automatic scale | Oct 03 06:52 |
| schestowitz | Platform lock-in with a plethora of products | Oct 03 06:52 |
| schestowitz | AWS becoming a marketable skill, especially among SV startups | Oct 03 06:52 |
| schestowitz | I moved my last startup from AWS to GCE and enjoyed it a lot more. Google just needs time, and we need more answers at scale than just those two. Unfortunately, capital to get to that scale is a limiting factor. | Oct 03 06:52 |
| schestowitz | Edit: Typo | Oct 03 06:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:52 |
| schestowitz | "And also having a SIGNIFICANT first-mover advantage; they were the first public cloud service that people knew about, so lots of startups that became HUGE built on top of it, which then caused the trickle-down effect you see today" | Oct 03 06:52 |
| schestowitz | "Amazon does not officially support any BSDs, but you can run it." | Oct 03 06:53 |
| schestowitz | "It is kinda officially supported by the FreeBSD project https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/B00KSS55FY/" | Oct 03 06:53 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-aws.amazon.com | FreeBSD 10 on AWS Marketplace [ http://ur1.ca/nwls4 ] | Oct 03 06:53 | |
| schestowitz | "Can't tell if serious, you can run pretty much any OS that can run on x86 boxen. No, they won't support your OS issues, pretty much true for all of the Community AMIs as well." | Oct 03 06:53 |
| schestowitz | "Read it as, Amazon does not provide any BSD images themselves. They do provide some Linux distributions, their own Linux distribution and Windows server images. | Oct 03 06:54 |
| schestowitz | '" | Oct 03 06:54 |
| schestowitz | The quadrants of magicalness sure like Azure as a 2nd place though. | Oct 03 06:54 |
| schestowitz | EDIT: Added Source. I guess the down votes means you doubt me. Oh no, source is from Azure. I must be a secret MS plant! | Oct 03 06:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:54 |
| schestowitz | "What the fuck kind of graph is that." | Oct 03 06:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:54 |
| schestowitz | I really wonder how the fuck that quadrant thing works. they must be so significantly off their rocker. | Oct 03 06:54 |
| schestowitz | they had CSC in the leaders section a few months\years ago. (seriously a repackaged vcloud setup with MSP shittyness is a leader) | Oct 03 06:54 |
| schestowitz | how the frak does vmware even show up in anything other than niche is another good question. | Oct 03 06:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.businessinsider.com/synergy-research-amazon-dominates-16-billion-cloud-market-2015-2 | Oct 03 06:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.businessinsider.com | Synergy Research: Amazon dominates $16 billion cloud market - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/nwlsf ] | Oct 03 06:54 | |
| schestowitz | "according to this they only have 30%, but still the dominant share of the market. ms's market share is growing more rapidly though" | Oct 03 06:54 |
| schestowitz | "I trust gartner's numbers better" | Oct 03 06:54 |
| schestowitz | "Netflix alone has 30 percent of Internet traffic" | Oct 03 06:54 |
| schestowitz | "in the US that was I thought." | Oct 03 06:55 |
| schestowitz | "Office 365 has been hugely successful as a cloud solution for govt/university. | Oct 03 06:55 |
| schestowitz | '"I will say that it works better than Office on Mac." | Oct 03 06:55 |
| schestowitz | "Wow, you really set the bar high." | Oct 03 06:55 |
| schestowitz | "I think that's the jokeTM." | Oct 03 06:55 |
| schestowitz | "Office 2016 on Mac isn't bad (and yet nobody realizes it's out. Weird lack of marketing going on.) I still prefer the iWork apps, personally." | Oct 03 06:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:55 |
| schestowitz | Office on the Mac is amazing; what's up with the dissing here? In fact Outlook on the Mac is so much better than any email client I have ever used (it's way, way better than the Windows version for whatever reason). | Oct 03 06:55 |
| schestowitz | Edit: ah the downvotes; I feel like people complaining probably haven't used Office on the Mac. I've used office, iWork and some other free ones and Office just blows them all out of the water it's just insane to me how people could despise it so much. Is there at least a reason that isn't philosophical? | Oct 03 06:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:55 |
| schestowitz | "Sush now, let the Anti-MS-on-Mac circle jerk commence and it'll disperse shortly.' | Oct 03 06:55 |
| schestowitz | "Yeah, whatever reason... Why is a steering wheel better in a BMW than in a Prius? Must be something with the wheel..." | Oct 03 06:55 |
| schestowitz | "Are you implying that Apple's APIs and architecture are so much better that software can simply run better? Because that's not really how software development works. Some of it is APIs but a vast majority of it is not especially in a desktop application." | Oct 03 06:56 |
| schestowitz | "Uhm, yes, I do. especially if it's the same software that is running on two different systems." | Oct 03 06:56 |
| schestowitz | http://people.apache.org/%7Elahiru/graph.jpg | Oct 03 06:56 |
| schestowitz | ""It can absolutely make a difference. One that comes to mind is spawning threads and processes. In Linux and Mac, both are pretty cheap to spawn. In Windows, threads are still pretty cheap to spawn, but new processes are pretty expensive in terms of execution time. You get a lot of little things like that that add up and you can end up with an application that runs remarkably better on one system than another. Here's an even starker | Oct 03 06:56 |
| schestowitz | example. That benchmark is comparing application performance on OpenBSD, FreeBSD and an experimental OS calles Exos. Exos exposes a radically different API that allows applications to change a bunch of things including the filesystem they write to, memory allocation, etc, etc. The benchmark speaks for itself, the host OS can absolutely have an impact on application performance. | Oct 03 06:56 |
| schestowitz | "| | Oct 03 06:56 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:56 |
| schestowitz | Back in high school, our old computer died. Dad, wanting to not keep sucking Microsoft's dick, started sucking Apple's. Since I had school work that I did on the computer, we also got Office on Mac. | Oct 03 06:56 |
| schestowitz | Nine times out of ten, when I emailed in a .doc from the Mac, the teachers couldn't open it. | Oct 03 06:56 |
| schestowitz | We ended up buying a new Windows computer a month later, and I'm trying to convince mom to either get a new one, or let me put Linux on this one so it doesn't run like shit. | Oct 03 06:56 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:56 |
| schestowitz | "Doesn't Libre office work on the Mac?" | Oct 03 06:56 |
| schestowitz | "Yeah, but this was before I ascended, lol. Didn't know about (at the time) open office until maybe a year later.' | Oct 03 06:56 |
| schestowitz | "Office for Mac 2016 is amazing though; definitely not as good as it is on Windows, but it's a huge step-up" | Oct 03 06:56 |
| schestowitz | "This is entirely true. And honestly I don't really see any competition in that space for that product. It's a tad niche, but they nailed it." | Oct 03 06:57 |
| schestowitz | "Google is the competition with gmail, docs and chromebooks." | Oct 03 06:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-microsoft-cloud-sales-firgures-2015-3 | Oct 03 06:57 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.businessinsider.com | Leaked Microsoft cloud sales figures - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/nwlt9 ] | Oct 03 06:57 | |
| schestowitz | "That's what I thought too until I read this. Personally, it seems like EVERYONE and their mom is using either AWS or DigitalOcean. I personally like Azure's console much better." | Oct 03 06:57 |
| schestowitz | "I use it! | Oct 03 06:57 |
| schestowitz | "They have to support Linux because it's what most cloud customers want. Go look at the numbers. They have lost that marlet. The reason for all open .Net stuff and moving to support it on Linux is because they are desperate for their stuff to be used to have some presence in the market. If they ever did get a hold, you can bet they would try and use it to get people off Linux to Windows. But we can see it and keep away." | Oct 03 06:57 |
| schestowitz | "I actually think Azure is doing pretty well for being a late-comer. What I meant is that they've lost Windows as the cloud guest OS. I realize that wasn't clear. "<3 Linux" is about running Linux on Azure. It's not that they really love Linux, it's that they don't have a competitive cloud offering without it. | Oct 03 06:57 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:57 |
| schestowitz | they've lost Windows as the cloud guest OS | Oct 03 06:57 |
| schestowitz | Not really. Azure's main selling point is that it handles Windows services better than AWS. If you're heavily invested in MS on-premises and you don't want to re-architect, Azure is the logical choice. | Oct 03 06:57 |
| schestowitz | The problem is that currently all these companies are running physicals or a VMware cluster that is mostly Windows, with a little bit of Linux. It's that "little bit of Linux" that "<3 Linux" is about. | Oct 03 06:58 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:58 |
| schestowitz | "How do you execute the Extend and Extinguish parts while the Linux kernel is under GPL? I thought the whole part of E,E,E was to extend standards with proprietary functionality. That's not possible under the GPL.' | Oct 03 06:58 |
| schestowitz | "The kernel is safe. Tools in userland are not. Nothing is stopping Microsoft from say making a BSD licensed Linux compatible Exchange, waiting for mass adoption and then stop releasing the source (as in leave the version out there for the community, and just not release new stuff outside of their binary only distribution) and developing it purely internally." | Oct 03 06:58 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:58 |
| schestowitz | That's not E,E,E though. That's just making Exchange cross platform. | Oct 03 06:58 |
| schestowitz | And they can just make Exchange for Linux closed source from the beginning without doing any license trickery. It'd be just like Android. The OS is open as it's required to be but most of google's apps aren't. | Oct 03 06:58 |
| schestowitz | EDIT: and for what it's worth, I don't consider things like bringing Exchange and Active Directory to Linux as negatives despite the fact that they're proprietary. In fact it's the thing I've been wanting out of Microsoft for years. Exchange is the least painful mail server I've ever had to set up and AD is a lot less annoying than manually setting up Kerberos and LDAP. | Oct 03 06:58 |
| schestowitz | "There's much more to extend than the kernel, and it's worth noting that only the kernel itself is protected by the GPL. Microsoft can pump out proprietary kernel modules all day long if they want. There's also lots of other stuff they can use for lock in. For instance, SCOM will now also monitor Linux, and that's proprietary. They could introduce the ability to control Linux hosts with AD and SCCM, or something like that. Almost all | Oct 03 06:58 |
| schestowitz | vendor lock in comes from userspace tools, not from the kernel itself. The same is true of Windows, it's not the kernel that locks you in, it's everything else. IIS, previously .Net, AD, Exchange, etc, etc." | Oct 03 06:58 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:58 |
| schestowitz | They could introduce the ability to control Linux hosts with AD and SCCM, or something like that. Almost all vendor lock in comes from userspace tools, not from the kernel itself. | Oct 03 06:58 |
| schestowitz | Okay, you've made an argument for the Extend portion. They can extend the functionality of the Linux userspace by porting over proprietary applications. What's the Extinguish? Does Microsoft introducing proprietary applications to the Linux userspace automatically mean the death of all non-proprietary userspace applications? | Oct 03 06:59 |
| schestowitz | Now, if people would rather use a proprietary application than an open source one of their own volition, that's a different matter altogether. | Oct 03 06:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html | Oct 03 06:59 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.gnu.org | Linux and GNU - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/4vdt ] | Oct 03 06:59 | |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:59 |
| schestowitz | only the kernel itself is protected by the GPL. | Oct 03 06:59 |
| schestowitz | Um, no. Just like most other operating systems (perhaps even more), the Linux kernel is only a small part of the operating system. Have you ever heard the term GNU/Linux? The GNU part is all GPL and is about ten times the size of the kernel, depending on the distro. Other licenses are used for various packages in various distros, but the GPL still predominates. | Oct 03 06:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:59 |
| schestowitz | "They seem to be skipping the extend step, though, as far as I can tell." | Oct 03 06:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:59 |
| schestowitz | Leverage the desktop monopoly where you can | Oct 03 06:59 |
| schestowitz | Can't even do that anymore. Consumers are jumping ship to mobile, which brings us right back to your first point | Oct 03 06:59 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has lost mobile | Oct 03 06:59 |
| schestowitz | They aren't just treading water or sinking right now. They've been drowning and they're just now starting to panic. | Oct 03 06:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:00 |
| schestowitz | Nah, they're not drowning. Treading water is about where they are. They still have enterprise pretty locked down and they're making good progress in the tablet space. | Oct 03 07:00 |
| schestowitz | Not that any of that matters. I'm becoming increasingly convinced that VR is going to turn everything on its head and there's going to a be a whole new set of winners and losers soon. | Oct 03 07:00 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:00 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:00 |
| schestowitz | As much as I hate MS, you're right. Enterprise is crazy locked down. I'm definitely a Linux guy, and I use it wherever I can, but I admin a mostly Windows environment. It drives me crazy dealing with their bullshit. | Oct 03 07:00 |
| schestowitz | They should be careful what they wish for going toward cloud, though... Because once everything can be done from a browser, there's no reason to run Windows workstations at that point :) | Oct 03 07:00 |
| schestowitz | Such are the dreams of a combination Linux and Windows admin... | Oct 03 07:00 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:00 |
| schestowitz | "I can see VR/AR becoming the next gold rush on the heels of mobile. It's still too early to say much of anything in that respect." | Oct 03 07:00 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:00 |
| schestowitz | Not that any of that matters. I'm becoming increasingly convinced that VR is going to turn everything on its head and there's going to a be a whole new set of winners and losers soon. | Oct 03 07:00 |
| schestowitz | I think you're probably right, it's poised for something big. | Oct 03 07:00 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:00 |
| schestowitz | "Yeah. 15 years from now, I could see people arguing whether FacebookTheMMO, SteamVROS, or Slack3D is the better virtual-collaborative-environment platform to write their apps for, having completely forgotten what Apple or Microsoft or Google did. (And Mozilla, of course, having created a competitor that's about as much of a joke as the FirefoxOS phone, likely descended from OpenCobalt.)" | Oct 03 07:00 |
| schestowitz | "Not sure if people are interested in making the jump between smartphone zombie and blind bobblehead :) Maybe shared VR through 3D projections?" | Oct 03 07:00 |
| schestowitz | "They're also going to lose iot if they don't do something." | Oct 03 07:00 |
| schestowitz | "I don't see how Microsoft can begin to be relevant in iot. Iot won't run MSOffice and there isn't enough margin for Windows. What does that leave them?" | Oct 03 07:00 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft's IoT plan is all about getting embedded developers locked in. They aren't trying to sell a bunch of IoT licenses, they want to sell more SQL Server/IIS Server/Windows Server licenses that your IoT device talks back to, and a bunch of Visual Studio licenses (Win10 + VS2015 is required to target Win10 IoT) while they're at it.' | Oct 03 07:01 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:01 |
| schestowitz | I don't see how Microsoft can begin to be relevant in iot. | Oct 03 07:01 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft release GNU/NT OS? | Oct 03 07:01 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:01 |
| schestowitz | "NSA/GNU/NT OS* :p"" | Oct 03 07:01 |
| schestowitz | "Tools, dev and mindshare is where they want to make a killing. Unfortunately they misunderstand the IoT market. Most of it is way below the basic hardware footprint that windows offers if it is to remain cost effective." | Oct 03 07:01 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:01 |
| schestowitz | Embedded Windows is nearly as common as embedded Linux. For example, the majority of POS terminals and ATMs run embedded Windows." | Oct 03 07:01 |
| schestowitz | http://money.cnn.com/2014/03/04/technology/security/atm-windows-xp/index.html | Oct 03 07:01 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-money.cnn.com | 95% of bank ATMs face Windows XP security deadline - Mar. 4, 2014 [ http://ur1.ca/nwluk ] | Oct 03 07:01 | |
| schestowitz | https://redmondmag.com/articles/2014/02/19/windows-xp-embedded-support.aspx | Oct 03 07:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-redmondmag.com | Windows XP Embedded Supported for Two or More Years -- Redmondmag.com [ http://ur1.ca/nwlum ] | Oct 03 07:02 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.tweaktown.com/news/36531/atm-operators-to-replace-windows-xp-with-linux/index.html | Oct 03 07:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.tweaktown.com | ATM operators to replace Windows XP with Linux [ http://ur1.ca/nwlun ] | Oct 03 07:02 | |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:02 |
| schestowitz | ...the majority of POS terminals and ATMs run embedded Windows. | Oct 03 07:02 |
| schestowitz | Yes, they run an XP variant, which is about to reach EOL. Even though Microsoft extended the EOL for these devices, I can't see this ending well for Microsoft. | Oct 03 07:02 |
| schestowitz | Edit for links, formatting. | Oct 03 07:02 |
| schestowitz | "I've seen plenty of POS devices that use Windows Embedded 7 and 8. Ford Sync used to be based on Windows Embedded, but I think they're using something else now." | Oct 03 07:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/02/24/ford-microsoft-blackberry/5784519/ | Oct 03 07:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:02 |
| schestowitz | Ford Sync used to be based on Windows Embedded... | Oct 03 07:02 |
| schestowitz | ...but they dumped it for Blackberry/QNX, the Microsoft offering was reportedly too buggy. | Oct 03 07:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:02 |
| schestowitz | "You really don't know what you're talking about." | Oct 03 07:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | "Attacks Linux with patents" | Oct 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | The patent claim is for a bunch of USB hubs that happen to run Linux. Are patent complaints against any Linux embedded device suddenly an attack on Linux itself? | Oct 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | Thank you for actually reading the article. I read it and it gives nothing about new developments against Linux. I dislike Microsoft but I'm going to go against the circlejerk and point out that the article's sources paints Kyocera as a "victim". They make Android phones that uses an OS that was forked from Linux back in 2008. Not only that we don't even know which patents were infringed upon or if they have an actual reason for suing. | Oct 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | I suspect a case of stirring up the beehive. | Oct 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.usatoday.com | Ford dumping Microsoft to sync with BlackBerry [ http://ur1.ca/nwluz ] | Oct 03 07:03 | |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | an old man shows a small tin to a young boy | Oct 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | old man: Son, what's this? | Oct 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | The young boy ponders | Oct 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | young boy: That's shineola! | Oct 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | the old man nods and points at the article on the blog | Oct 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | old man: what's this, son? | Oct 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | the young boy looks and squints | Oct 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | young boy: That's fear, uncertainty and doubt, sir! | Oct 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | the old man smiles | Oct 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | old man: you'll do fine, son. | Oct 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | Whoa, hold on there! You actually read the article? | Oct 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | I may need to ask you for your redditor and internet commenter card back, sir. | Oct 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | Linux embedded device suddenly an attack on Linux itself? | Oct 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | Practically yes. Put yourself in the shoes of a CEO who is told that some "Linux" thing your company uses may be a target for patent lawsuits, and also provided a long list of "Linux" devices which have been the victim of patent lawsuits. | Oct 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | "Man, I would hate to be the CEO who gets told that one of my products that uses "electricity" may be a target for patent lawsuits, especially since there are so many other patent lawsuit victims that used electricity in their products." | Oct 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | Embrace, extend, and extinguish. | Oct 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | This was an internal phrase and strategy used by Microsoft discovered by the DOJ. | Oct 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | "Is this even a reputable source? I stopped reading Techrights a while ago because I just could not treat it seriously with how many typos the articles had." | Oct 03 07:04 |
| schestowitz | Typos?! | Oct 03 07:05 |
| schestowitz | "My sentiments exactly. Downvoted this as soon as I saw the source." | Oct 03 07:05 |
| schestowitz | "No. Not remotely. Techrights (Boycott Novell) also likes to fabricate citations. It's basically IT Infowars." | Oct 03 07:05 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:05 |
| schestowitz | Its normal to do that. Just look at apple and Samsung. Samsung makes chips for apple, and apple sues them every chance they get over android patents. | Oct 03 07:05 |
| schestowitz | The media just doesn't clarify that its a love-hate relationship :) | Oct 03 07:05 |
| schestowitz | "That's some hardball negotiation tactics." | Oct 03 07:05 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:06 |
| schestowitz | I picture samsung ceo and apple ceo laughing about the latest trends and then apple ceo just says a matter of factly "oh, i forgot to tell you to expect a patent lawsuit tomorrow.. i sent my hot lawyer" | Oct 03 07:06 |
| schestowitz | "Oh cool! You know, we should check out the new restaurant in town this saturday" | Oct 03 07:06 |
| schestowitz | ' | Oct 03 07:06 |
| schestowitz | "One time Apple won one a suit, and Samsung immediately changed the prices in the processors to charge the amount Apple won back. Apple wants to ban devices, if they win money Samsung changes the prices again." | Oct 03 07:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:06 |
| schestowitz | Until Windows can read an EXT4 file system out of the box, its all bullshit. I'll be lenient and not demand exotic file system support like Btrfs or Xfs. | Oct 03 07:06 |
| schestowitz | EDIT: And to the people who believe that patents influence innovation, how innovative was it when all those android devices were stuck using FAT32 (with a 4 GB file size limit) because Microsoft would not support anything else until exfat was ready? The single innovative aspect of this patent crap is to find new ways to fleece the consumer and manipulate the market. | Oct 03 07:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:06 |
| schestowitz | Until Windows can read an EXT4 file system out of the box, its all bullshit. I'll be lenient and not demand exotic file system support like Btrfs or Xfs. | Oct 03 07:06 |
| schestowitz | Would be nice. The main problem is that you would lose NTFS ACLs which are central to the security model in Windows. Since POSIX ACLs don't map exactly to NTFS ACLs they would have to write their own sauce, or port SAMBA's, to support that effectively making a fork of ext4. So it would be an ext4 volume you couldn't use anywhere but Windows, defeating the purpose. | Oct 03 07:06 |
| schestowitz | Buggy permissions in SAMBA are the reason I prefer running the NFS server for Windows when sharing files between Windows and Linux. | Oct 03 07:06 |
| schestowitz | What they probably should do is just say "screw it" like they did with NFS and use separate permissions. That's a major PITA for admins though. | Oct 03 07:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:06 |
| schestowitz | "What on earth makes you think Microsoft would ever bother with an ext4 driver, even if they loved Linux?" | Oct 03 07:07 |
| schestowitz | "It would make life a lot easier for people who use both systems. If they really "love Linux", they would want to do this." | Oct 03 07:07 |
| schestowitz | "Remember Microsoft isn't a monolith, it's made up of lots of different teams with lots of different people. I imagine trying to get sign off to spend company resources writing an Ext4 driver would be very difficult. If you'd like to see one from the FOSS community, come help with https://github.com/dokan-dev/dokany" | Oct 03 07:07 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-github.com | dokan-dev/dokany · GitHub | Oct 03 07:07 | |
| schestowitz | "I certainly would not want a Microsoft-signed driver to have access to my files from my Linux partitions." | Oct 03 07:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:07 |
| schestowitz | So Fedora and OpenSuse are right out? https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:UEFI - they're cross signed by Microsoft. Pragmatism vs paranoia" | Oct 03 07:07 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.opensuse.org | openSUSE:UEFI - openSUSE | Oct 03 07:07 | |
| schestowitz | "You know what I meant.. | Oct 03 07:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:07 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft also pays people to extensively astroturf on reddit." | Oct 03 07:08 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:08 |
| schestowitz | Got any source for that? | Oct 03 07:08 |
| schestowitz | And no, a higher number of pro-MS comments than you would personally like doesn't count. | Oct 03 07:08 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:08 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-positive-reddit-comments-2013-6?IR=T | Oct 03 07:08 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.businessinsider.com | Microsoft Positive Reddit Comments - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/nwlwb ] | Oct 03 07:08 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3ibi9j/4_overblown_windows_10_worries/ | Oct 03 07:08 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3iomho/to_avoid_all_this_confusion_no_windows_10_is_not/ | Oct 03 07:08 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/HailCorporate/comments/1fv43y/account_created_the_day_after_xbox_one_reveal/ | Oct 03 07:08 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/3kuhyv/windows_10_now_forced_onto_windows_78/cv0zet7 | Oct 03 07:08 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/HailCorporate/comments/3ct22m/eli5_windows_10_thread_appears_to_be_full_of/ | Oct 03 07:08 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.reddit.com | 4 overblown Windows 10 worries : Windows10 [ http://ur1.ca/nwlwc ] | Oct 03 07:08 | |
| schestowitz | That enough proof for you? Just try posting any slightly negative but valid criticism in a subreddit like /r/Windows10 or /r/technology, and you soon get swarmed by multiple people who downvote you and try to aggressively tear you apart, even if you provide a perfectly valid argument with actual proof. Look at some of the other pro-Microsoft comments around there, they are surreal. You get users who literally defend stuff nobody would | Oct 03 07:08 |
| schestowitz | want, like windows 10 embedding ads in the start menu. I'm not going to dismiss the fact that there a few fanboys and trolls out there, but at the level it is occurring at, there is much more behind it. | Oct 03 07:08 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:08 |
| schestowitz | "I remember the shit I caught predicting that the Nokia partnership was doomed to failure. As if MS's history in mobile wasn't widely known." | Oct 03 07:08 |
| schestowitz | "well that sucks" | Oct 03 07:08 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.reddit.com | To avoid all this confusion. No, Windows 10 is not spying on you! : Windows10 [ http://ur1.ca/nwlwe ] | Oct 03 07:08 | |
| schestowitz | "/r/pcmasterrace too, and in a pretty bad way. I discussed this a while ago, but comments critizicing Win10 were being downvoted, and posts critizicing Win10 were being removed by mods themselves. Every time you searched for Win10 posts there were only praise posts, tech support or a very recent negative thing that would eventually be removed anyhow." | Oct 03 07:09 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.reddit.com | Account created the day after Xbox One reveal exclusively posts Microsoft-positive links and comments : HailCorporate [ http://ur1.ca/nwlwh ] | Oct 03 07:09 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.reddit.com | BpshCo comments on Windows 10 now forced onto windows 7/8 [ http://ur1.ca/nwlwi ] | Oct 03 07:09 | |
| schestowitz | "I've met a Microsoft fanboy once. He even had a windows phone!" | Oct 03 07:09 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.reddit.com | ELI5 Windows 10 thread appears to be full of marketing softball questions. : HailCorporate [ http://ur1.ca/nwlwj ] | Oct 03 07:09 | |
| schestowitz | "Windows Phone is actually really good it's just no one develops for it :(" | Oct 03 07:09 |
| schestowitz | "I had one, it was really nice. Just no apps, and often you'll have hostile developers who will DMCA apps just for providing that service." | Oct 03 07:09 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:09 |
| schestowitz | I've got a Windows phone, it is really good aside from the alck of apps. | Oct 03 07:09 |
| schestowitz | Then again, my other phone's a Jolla so I'm pretty patient with mobile technology. | Oct 03 07:09 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:09 |
| schestowitz | "I don't think I'd be as tolerant of my Win Phone if it wasn't given to me for work." | Oct 03 07:09 |
| schestowitz | "I'm kind of a MS fanboy. I don't have a Windows phone, but I like a lot of the stuff they've been putting out recently. I'd definitely get a Windows phone if it had an Atom and could run x86 apps though." | Oct 03 07:09 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:09 |
| schestowitz | Samsung owner here: I am considering buying a windows phone next, because I don't think anything could be worse than what I have now. | Oct 03 07:10 |
| schestowitz | I miss my S60 :'( (which was intentionally crippled by Google and Microsoft that disabled some of the services I was using). | Oct 03 07:10 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:10 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:10 |
| schestowitz | To be honest, I really hate this kind of conspiratorial thinking. It's the same kind of thinking you see in 9/11-truther circles, for example. Hopefully we can agree on them using that kind of thinking as being fallacious, so why should this be any different? | Oct 03 07:10 |
| schestowitz | And it doesn't really get us anywhere. It's just a lazy way to dish out "shill" insults to people as a way of ignoring their arguments. | Oct 03 07:10 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:10 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/HailCorporate/comments/1fv43y/account_created_the_day_after_xbox_one_reveal/ | Oct 03 07:10 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.reddit.com | Account created the day after Xbox One reveal exclusively posts Microsoft-positive links and comments : HailCorporate [ http://ur1.ca/nwlwh ] | Oct 03 07:10 | |
| schestowitz | Did you check the links? It is pretty clear that something is going on. Especially this one. Read the comments in that thread. I am usually one to dismiss conspiracy theories as well but this is pretty damn clear."" | Oct 03 07:10 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:10 |
| schestowitz | No, it's not clear at all. I see a fanboy peddling some stuff he likes. All the comments are just overanalyzing everything he wrote. | Oct 03 07:10 |
| schestowitz | It's just some person acting stupid on the internet, and an entire forum going "someone can't possibly be this stupid on the internet". And that's really just a total failure of imagination. | Oct 03 07:10 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:10 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor | Oct 03 07:10 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Hanlon's razor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nwlwu ] | Oct 03 07:10 | |
| schestowitz | ""Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. | Oct 03 07:10 |
| schestowitz | "Really doesn't prove anything other than fanboys exist." | Oct 03 07:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:11 |
| schestowitz | Come on, those people are like bots or highly trained monkeys talking technobabble but never getting to the point. Who would put so much time and effort. | Oct 03 07:11 |
| schestowitz | They did it with Xbox One - there is no reason not to believe they do it for everything else. | Oct 03 07:11 |
| schestowitz | I don't even care if they are paid - every single pro-MS comment on reddit that talks shit that cannot be verified, for me, until proven otherwise, is an MS shill. | Oct 03 07:11 |
| schestowitz | I mean, there is entire subreddit devoted to masturbate over Nokia Lumia photos that are clearly grained, blured and have cheap color filter applied... (the default on lumia) Generealy something that no one with at least one brain cell would call a good quality photo. What in the name of fuck? | Oct 03 07:11 |
| schestowitz | People who do that are either paid, or this is their religion - either way I don't trust a single thing they say. | Oct 03 07:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:11 |
| schestowitz | I don't even care if they are paid - every single pro-MS comment on reddit that talks shit that cannot be verified, for me, until proven otherwise, is an MS shill. | Oct 03 07:12 |
| schestowitz | MS have a lot of teenage (and some who should have grow up, but never did) fanboys who talk loudly but doesn't know so much. Combine this with reddit and a subreddit attracting this group, and you get a good old-fashioned circle-j... | Oct 03 07:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:12 |
| schestowitz | "So that's a no, you don't have a source." | Oct 03 07:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:12 |
| schestowitz | I'm not BpshCo, to whom you asked the question, but I will say it again: | Oct 03 07:12 |
| schestowitz | They did it with Xbox One - there is no reason not to believe they do it for everything else. | Oct 03 07:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:12 |
| schestowitz | I will say it again: They did it with Xbox One | Oct 03 07:12 |
| schestowitz | And I will ask it again: Got a source for that? | Oct 03 07:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:12 |
| schestowitz | Damn, those things are lot harder to find on google than I thought, 2 years ago there was more of it, I managed to find only this now https://www.reddit.com/r/HailCorporate/comments/1fv43y/account_created_the_day_after_xbox_one_reveal/ | Oct 03 07:12 |
| schestowitz | There was even a thread that got to front page about someone overhearing Microsoft employees talking about vote manipulation, and their accounts were quickly found afterwards and they were obviously set up with no other purpose than to praise xbox. Sadly I can't find that thread now, google spews me a bunch of news articles about it instead. Maybe the original thread was deleted, I don't really know. | Oct 03 07:12 |
| schestowitz | ' | Oct 03 07:12 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.reddit.com | Account created the day after Xbox One reveal exclusively posts Microsoft-positive links and comments : HailCorporate [ http://ur1.ca/nwlwh ] | Oct 03 07:12 | |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:12 |
| schestowitz | Someone already provided it... | Oct 03 07:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-positive-reddit-comments-2013-6?IR=T | Oct 03 07:12 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.businessinsider.com | Microsoft Positive Reddit Comments - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/nwlwb ] | Oct 03 07:12 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3ibi9j/4_overblown_windows_10_worries/ | Oct 03 07:12 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3iomho/to_avoid_all_this_confusion_no_windows_10_is_not/ | Oct 03 07:12 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/HailCorporate/comments/1fv43y/account_created_the_day_after_xbox_one_reveal/ | Oct 03 07:12 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/3kuhyv/windows_10_now_forced_onto_windows_78/cv0zet7 | Oct 03 07:12 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/HailCorporate/comments/3ct22m/eli5_windows_10_thread_appears_to_be_full_of/ | Oct 03 07:12 |
| schestowitz | Provided by /u/IntellectualEuphoria in a thread above this one. | Oct 03 07:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:12 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.reddit.com | 4 overblown Windows 10 worries : Windows10 [ http://ur1.ca/nwlwc ] | Oct 03 07:12 | |
| schestowitz | "So a whole bunch of users out of nowhere suddenly decide to aggressively defend even the worst parts of Microsoft and Windows 10 for no reason? It's not like you can't go in any windows or microsoft related thread and see for yourself." | Oct 03 07:13 |
| schestowitz | "I assume you're talking about the "feedback" Microsoft gets. Usage statistics, whatever you want to call it. I've heavily defended MS on that issue (ads in the start menu is an asinine idea), because I spent a full day with wireshark on a Windows 10 PC, trying to track down a byte packing issue with a UDP packet. But after spending a full day with Wireshark, I never once saw a questionable packet go over the wire. There are plenty of | Oct 03 07:13 |
| schestowitz | issues someone could pick up to bash Windows 10 over, but I have yet to see a single screenshot of Wireshark showing Windows 10 transmitting anything suspicious." | Oct 03 07:13 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.reddit.com | To avoid all this confusion. No, Windows 10 is not spying on you! : Windows10 [ http://ur1.ca/nwlwe ] | Oct 03 07:13 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.reddit.com | BpshCo comments on Windows 10 now forced onto windows 7/8 [ http://ur1.ca/nwlwi ] | Oct 03 07:13 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.reddit.com | ELI5 Windows 10 thread appears to be full of marketing softball questions. : HailCorporate [ http://ur1.ca/nwlwj ] | Oct 03 07:13 | |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:13 |
| schestowitz | No I'm talking about reddit comments. If you want to talk about undesirable communications, Windows 10 constantly communicates with Microsoft against your will even when you navigate through their extensive and unintuitive maze of privacy settings, with forced telemetry and updates that can't be disabled, and cortana and windows constantly sending data back to them when they are turned off. The traffic is all encrypted and you have no | Oct 03 07:13 |
| schestowitz | clue what actual data they are sending. Without an explanation, this is questionable and suspicious enough already. People have made all those (poorly effective) debloat and anti-spy scripts for a reason. I'll just leave this here... | Oct 03 07:13 |
| schestowitz | https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20150928/13590232387/microsoft-addresses-windows-10-privacy-concerns-simply-not-mentioning-most-them.shtml | Oct 03 07:13 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.techdirt.com | Microsoft 'Addresses' Windows 10 Privacy Concerns By Simply Not Mentioning Most Of Them | Techdirt [ http://ur1.ca/nwlxf ] | Oct 03 07:13 | |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:13 |
| schestowitz | "Yeah yeah yeah yeah, and I'm saying that after watching on Wireshark for a full work day (and then some) there wasn't anything going back and forth that was concerning." | Oct 03 07:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:13 |
| schestowitz | The traffic is all encrypted and you have no clue what actual data they are sending. | Oct 03 07:13 |
| schestowitz | No it's not. Like /u/greenwizard88 said, lots of people have looked and that traffic and there is no personal information. The ultra-paranoid should be using firewalls anyway. | Oct 03 07:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:13 |
| schestowitz | "There is no way they are going to be sending decrypted packets over the wire. Their response server assuredly uses SSL so sniffing the packets isn't going to do any good in that case. Watching these packets with Wireshark is useless and doesn't prove a thing." | Oct 03 07:13 |
| schestowitz | "I get it, you aren't concerned. | Oct 03 07:13 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3n5r0o/the_microsoft_loves_linux_baloney_is_still_being/cvl6l13 | Oct 03 07:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:13 |
| schestowitz | Canonical is doing the same." | Oct 03 07:14 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- ( status 503 @ https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3n5r0o/the_microsoft_loves_linux_baloney_is_still_being/cvl6l13 ) | Oct 03 07:14 | |
| schestowitz | Oh, look | Oct 03 07:14 |
| schestowitz | Xamarin | Oct 03 07:14 |
| schestowitz | Joe Shields: | Oct 03 07:14 |
| schestowitz | Personal attack | Oct 03 07:14 |
| schestowitz | "Nothing posted to Techrights should be taken any more seriously than anything posted to Inforwars. Both sites have a similar relationship with accuracy." | Oct 03 07:14 |
| schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F4qzPbcFiA | Oct 03 07:14 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.youtube.com | Admiral Ackbar - "It's A Trap!" - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nwlxn ] | Oct 03 07:14 | |
| schestowitz | "As always with microsoft, It's a Trap" | Oct 03 07:14 |
| schestowitz | "This is why we shouldn't be so quick to sing praises of them at the drop of a hat (or a lawsuit, for that matter). When Microsoft is actually ready to get along, we'll be waiting. With skepticism.' | Oct 03 07:14 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:14 |
| schestowitz | Came here from /r/all , and thought "jeez for all the complaints about Microsoft circlejerking on Reddit, there sure is an anti-Microsoft circlejerk going on here, nobody is defending them at all". Then I saw the sub. I suppose it's fair to have that here. | Oct 03 07:14 |
| schestowitz | Edit: scrolled down further, there are defending comments as well | Oct 03 07:14 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:14 |
| schestowitz | "The amount of hate this website spews is palpable. Fight misinformation and hatred with more of the same, am I right?" | Oct 03 07:15 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:15 |
| schestowitz | And we are all still forced to fund Microsoft through tax (unless you live in Munich). | Oct 03 07:15 |
| schestowitz | We all pay for Microsoft's patent troll lawyers which in turn damages competition and innovation throughout the world. | Oct 03 07:15 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:15 |
| schestowitz | "Not only in the media. It happens every other day in this subreddit. | Oct 03 07:15 |
| schestowitz | ""Dead cat bounce?" | Oct 03 07:15 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:15 |
| schestowitz | Let’s start with this new report about Intellectual Ventures. Remember who created and runs Intellectual Ventures. | Oct 03 07:15 |
| schestowitz | Yikes! That's stooping to a new low. Guilt by association. | Oct 03 07:15 |
| schestowitz | By that metric, Intel is even worse than Microsoft. One of the Intellectual Ventures founders was a senior Intel executive. Let's not forget how evil Intel is because of it. And unlike Microsoft, Intel has been interfering with Linux kernel development for years! | Oct 03 07:15 |
| schestowitz | You may have good reasons to hate Microsoft, but let's stick to facts and not fallacies. | Oct 03 07:15 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:15 |
| schestowitz | "Well all those lawyers who were suing Google for patent issues have to do SOMETHING now don't they? | Oct 03 07:15 |
| schestowitz | '"I just poked the bear." | Oct 03 07:15 |
| schestowitz | "Sometimes, you have to hurt the ones you love :(" | Oct 03 07:15 |
| schestowitz | "OMG MPEG still..... well if you still use MPEG then you asked for it. Use Ogg theora or even flac." | Oct 03 07:15 |
| schestowitz | "I think I must be living in a bubble here! I manage both nix and ms systems and frequent several relevant subs. I see far more aggression from the nix fan boys than the ms ones. I don't justify or like MS policy on nix but I feel that they are typically big business confused. Left hand supporting nix, right hand legal arm suing everyone just because they have to. It's a stupid model." | Oct 03 07:16 |
| schestowitz | "I will bet that nobody here knows that Microsoft is actually a very large Linux developer" | Oct 03 07:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cnet.com/news/microsofts-linux-contribution-thank-novell/ http://techie-buzz.com/foss/microsoft-linux-3-0.html | Oct 03 07:16 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.cnet.com | Microsoft's Linux contribution: Thank Novell? - CNET [ http://ur1.ca/nwly9 ] | Oct 03 07:16 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techie-buzz.com | The Truth Behind Microsoft's Contributions To Linux 3.0 [ http://ur1.ca/nwlyb ] | Oct 03 07:16 | |
| schestowitz | ":Pay up, sucker. Also YSK this." | Oct 03 07:16 |
| schestowitz | "fine, one person knows. " | Oct 03 07:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:18 |
| schestowitz | "forum for professional system administrators" would lean linux | Oct 03 07:18 |
| schestowitz | Because Windows administrators are some how not professional? Could you be less condescending? | Oct 03 07:18 |
| schestowitz | I know this will be unpopular, but the tone is definitely elitist. | Oct 03 07:18 |
| schestowitz | /facepalm | Oct 03 07:18 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:18 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:18 |
| schestowitz | I didn't mean to be condescending. I meant that I'm surprised there is a prevalence of Windows admins on the forum vs. nix admins. Not to take anything away from the work that Windows admins do, just that I thought nix ran more enterprise systems besides email. Professional sysadmins = large companies = critical systems = non-windows most of the time. I think Windows admins work hard, I certainly wouldn't want to be one and work with | Oct 03 07:18 |
| schestowitz | those tools, but I am good friends with several who enjoy their work very much. | Oct 03 07:18 |
| schestowitz | I try not to be an OS fetishist. | Oct 03 07:18 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:19 |
| schestowitz | "There are many critical systems running on Windows. Windows NT is pretty much clone of VMS. VMS used to be the system you went to for mission critical." | Oct 03 07:19 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:19 |
| schestowitz | You sound like my exgirlfriend" | Oct 03 07:19 |
| schestowitz | "That's nice I guess?" | Oct 03 07:19 |
| schestowitz | "No, its not. | Oct 03 07:19 |
| schestowitz | "I think there's a reason he said ex girlfriend" | Oct 03 07:19 |
| schestowitz | "Not because Microsoft is not associated with professionalism, it's because Linux is used a lot on servers. Source : http://www.w3cook.com/os/summary/' | Oct 03 07:19 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.w3cook.com | OS Usage Trends and Market Share | Oct 03 07:19 | |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:19 |
| schestowitz | That graph does nothing to prove that Windows administrators are unprofessional. | Oct 03 07:19 |
| schestowitz | To me, that graph shows Windows' lack of success as web server due to MS not offering it for free. | Oct 03 07:19 |
| schestowitz | There's nothing wrong with Windows as a server and its admins are professionals as much as any other admin imo. | Oct 03 07:19 |
| schestowitz | ** I'm not a Windows admin. | Oct 03 07:19 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:19 |
| schestowitz | "Don't forget a windows server needs to restart just about every time you look at it. Not good practice for web servers. | Oct 03 07:19 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:20 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:20 |
| schestowitz | Hardly my experience with them, but I do understand in the olden times this might have been more true. | Oct 03 07:20 |
| schestowitz | Those who live in exploited houses should not throw stones. Heartbleed, Shellshock, etc. I'd be more concerned with those types of problems than I am about rebooting once in awhile. | Oct 03 07:20 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:20 |
| schestowitz | "It's news when a Linux exploit is discovered. For Windows, it's Patch Tuesday." | Oct 03 07:20 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:20 |
| schestowitz | Don't forget you always have to apply the patch on a test machine first, because windows patches break everything. | Oct 03 07:20 |
| schestowitz | Also a Linux server, a full restart isn't common. You can just restart the daemons that need it. | Oct 03 07:20 |
| schestowitz | "Ya, a commitment to keep things patched and secure. I see the problems with that too. /s | Oct 03 07:20 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:20 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:20 |
| schestowitz | I'd be more concerned with those types of problems | Oct 03 07:20 |
| schestowitz | They exist, but they don't get given snappy names by marketing teams. Instead it's KB1234456, etc. | Oct 03 07:20 |
| schestowitz | "" | Oct 03 07:20 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:20 |
| schestowitz | Send me links then because MS's schannel was not affected by Heartbleed." | Oct 03 07:20 |
| schestowitz | Bug with brands | Oct 03 07:20 |
| schestowitz | from a troll | Oct 03 07:20 |
| schestowitz | "I would be very critical of that, they crawl websites. If you hide IIS behind load balancer it might return as something else. | Oct 03 07:20 |
| schestowitz | "I think they probably meant professional system administrators compared to professional desktop administrators." | Oct 03 07:20 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:21 |
| schestowitz | good thing I don't give a fuck | Oct 03 07:21 |
| schestowitz | fuck microsoft | Oct 03 07:21 |
| schestowitz | fucking capitalists messing around in tech | Oct 03 07:21 |
| schestowitz | g4tes should shove his money up his dirty old arse | Oct 03 07:21 |
| schestowitz | I want freedom on my computer, fuck off ms for trying to stop me. | Oct 03 07:21 |
| schestowitz | edit to clarify: I mean it, fuck ms. | Oct 03 07:21 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:21 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:21 |
| schestowitz | Your computer wouldn't exist if it weren't for those fucking capitalists sucking of the Government's defense tit. That's what's always struck me as so strange about some of the free software arguments...freedom to do what now? modify one aspect of an expensive device produced for the first world off the largess of the largest military enterprise in the history of mankind? | Oct 03 07:21 |
| schestowitz | Just saying. You are raging at the machine with a piece of the machine that was made to make machining easier for the machine when it machines it up. (Also, machine...) | Oct 03 07:21 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:21 |
| schestowitz | "Have a source for that?" | Oct 03 07:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/atr/legacy/2006/06/01/V-A.pdf | Oct 03 07:21 |
| schestowitz | "PDF excerpt from the DOJ itself." | Oct 03 07:21 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:22 |
| schestowitz | Select the phrase in question, right click, and click search on google. First result is a wiki article, with the first sentence being: | Oct 03 07:22 |
| schestowitz | "Embrace, extend, and extinguish",[1] also known as "Embrace, extend, and exterminate",[2] is a phrase that the U.S. Department of Justice found[3] that was used internally by Microsoft[4] to describe its strategy for entering product categories involving widely used standards, extending those standards with proprietary capabilities, and then using those differences to disadvantage its competitors. | Oct 03 07:22 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish | Oct 03 07:22 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Embrace, extend and extinguish - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/n2o73 ] | Oct 03 07:22 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, that is 4 citations for the same sentence, all of which can be found in the citations section. | Oct 03 07:22 |
| schestowitz | Not to be rude, but really, you post in all kinds of highly technical subreddits but can't google a phrase you haven't heard before? | Oct 03 07:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:22 |
| schestowitz | "Interesting. The Justice.gov documents do contain that phrase, but it seems like a single person (Maritz) stated it without necessarily quoting Microsoft. But directly underneath that are claims of executives using the phrase "embrace and smother," which is equally bad." | Oct 03 07:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:22 |
| schestowitz | quoting Microsoft | Oct 03 07:22 |
| schestowitz | Probably didn't happen because abstract things don't say that much | Oct 03 07:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:22 |
| schestowitz | "Why is /u/EpicCyndaquil being down voted? They simply asked for a source. Just because it is common knowledge here, doesn't mean everyone knows it." | Oct 03 07:22 |
| schestowitz | "Probably because I actually read the relevant section of the abstract and came to the conclusion that this phrase loved by MS-bashers might actually be a bit different (though still equally bad)." | Oct 03 07:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:23 |
| schestowitz | Wow, great job! You managed to get seven reddit posts (including two from /r/HailCorporate, lol) and one crap article citing a reddit post! Still not a shred of evidence that any of it's paid though. | Oct 03 07:23 |
| schestowitz | Just try posting any slightly negative but valid criticism in a subreddit like /r/Windows10 …, and you soon get swarmed by multiple people who downvote you | Oct 03 07:23 |
| schestowitz | Criticism of Windows 10 isn't welcome in the Windows 10 fan club? Shocking! | Oct 03 07:23 |
| schestowitz | You get users who literally defend stuff nobody would want, like windows 10 embedding ads in the start menu. | Oct 03 07:23 |
| schestowitz | Well I haven't seen it. Got links? | Oct 03 07:23 |
| schestowitz | There are thousands of crazy Apple fanboys out there that aren't paid by Apple (goodness knows they're rich enough for it though), so I don't see why it's so crazy to assume there'd be a ton for Microsoft too. | Oct 03 07:23 |
| schestowitz | Edit: None of this is to say that they absolutely don't pay people to post stuff. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they did. I just don't like people throwing around accusations like that with such confidence when they have nothing substantial backing it up. | Oct 03 07:23 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:23 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:23 |
| schestowitz | Criticism of Windows 10 isn't welcome in the Windows 10 fan club? Shocking! | Oct 03 07:23 |
| schestowitz | Evidently criticism isn't allowed here either. Reddit's not really a great place for unbiased discussion. | Oct 03 07:23 |
| schestowitz | "" | Oct 03 07:23 |
| schestowitz | "I like how he completely ignored my mention of /r/technology, which is usually very anti-Microsoft." | Oct 03 07:23 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:23 |
| schestowitz | I wasn't exactly agreeing with you, I was mentioning that this subreddit is a circlejerk too. | Oct 03 07:23 |
| schestowitz | Again, Reddit's not a place for unbiased discussion. | Oct 03 07:23 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:23 |
| schestowitz | "So, how much is Microsoft paying you?" | Oct 03 07:23 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:23 |
| schestowitz | Will you double it?" | Oct 03 07:23 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:23 |
| schestowitz | I'm surprised it took that long for someone to ask that. | Oct 03 07:23 |
| schestowitz | Nothing. | Oct 03 07:23 |
| schestowitz | Do you think they're hiring? | Oct 03 07:24 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:24 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:24 |
| schestowitz | If they are, you should apply." | Oct 03 07:24 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:24 |
| schestowitz | Still not a shred of evidence that any of it's paid though. | Oct 03 07:24 |
| schestowitz | Really, to do that, we would have to find them in real life and stalk them to see where they work, and even then you don't know if they are really getting paid for that. | Oct 03 07:24 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:24 |
| schestowitz | "Well, he wasn't the one who said he had proof of MS paying people here. The least I'd expect is that that person actually backed it up properly." | Oct 03 07:24 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:24 |
| schestowitz | Actually a lot of those downvotes are because people are really tired of the shrill chorus of "you hate freedom" from people that use a different pile of C code to organize some stuff on a disk." | Oct 03 07:24 |
| schestowitz | "What's your point?" | Oct 03 07:24 |
| schestowitz | "Any time someone mentions Microsoft's obvious failings a circlejerk magically appears. Those posters aren't even trying to make a point. They're just stroking Microsoft's ego and it doesn't mean anything to anyone paying attention. The damage is done. Microsoft can't be trusted." | Oct 03 07:25 |
| schestowitz | "I don't see how linking to that comment helps you make that point. They just seem to be pointing out that Microsoft is active in cloud computing stuff. Sure, they're not anywhere near “winning” in that market, but they're not dead either." | Oct 03 07:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.w3cook.com/os/summary/ | Oct 03 07:25 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.w3cook.com | OS Usage Trends and Market Share | Oct 03 07:25 | |
| schestowitz | Maybe you prefer pie charts? I have worked in web hosting and software development going on 10 years. I have only met a handful of devs who take Windows server seriously and they are usually game developers or bad programmers. | Oct 03 07:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:25 |
| schestowitz | "Ugh. We used to use MS for our imaging servers. Switched to FOG on Linux, increased speeds by 400%. | Oct 03 07:25 |
| schestowitz | "Isn't that basically what I just said?" | Oct 03 07:25 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3n5r0o/the_microsoft_loves_linux_baloney_is_still_being/cvlx3rr | Oct 03 07:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:26 |
| schestowitz | MS's schannel was not affected by Heartbleed. | Oct 03 07:26 |
| schestowitz | You sir, are correct, have an upvote. However, there have been 431 Microsoft vulnerabilities listed in 2015 so far. This is a significant increase over the 376 reported in 2014. | Oct 03 07:26 |
| schestowitz | Here are a few recent exploits: | Oct 03 07:26 |
| schestowitz | 2015.09.15: Microsoft Windows Media Center MCL Code Execution | Oct 03 07:26 |
| schestowitz | 2015.09.14: Microsoft Internet Explorer 11 Stack Underflow Crash PoC | Oct 03 07:26 |
| schestowitz | 2015.08.18: Microsoft Windows HTA Remote Code Execution | Oct 03 07:26 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.reddit.com | AfroPhysics comments on The ‘Microsoft Loves Linux’ Baloney is Still Being Floated in the Media While Microsoft Attacks Linux With Patents, New Lawsuits Reported [ http://ur1.ca/nwm0l ] | Oct 03 07:26 | |
| schestowitz | 2015.08.17: Microsoft HTML Help Compiler SEH Based Overflow | Oct 03 07:26 |
| schestowitz | Edit: for links, formatting. | Oct 03 07:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:26 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3n5r0o/the_microsoft_loves_linux_baloney_is_still_being/cvlljjm | Oct 03 07:26 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.reddit.com | OneOneTwentyNine comments on The ‘Microsoft Loves Linux’ Baloney is Still Being Floated in the Media While Microsoft Attacks Linux With Patents, New Lawsuits Reported [ http://ur1.ca/nwm0p ] | Oct 03 07:26 | |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:26 |
| schestowitz | There's a very good chance that those images were built automatically and in the exact same way. Then again, it never hurts to be thorough. | Oct 03 07:26 |
| schestowitz | I'd say it all has to do with what your purpose is. ie. I wouldn't have a care in the world about spinning up a Digital Ocean droplet for most things... and for a lot of things it really is just better to have that convenience. | Oct 03 07:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:26 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3n5r0o/the_microsoft_loves_linux_baloney_is_still_being/cvlelel | Oct 03 07:27 |
| schestowitz | "" | Oct 03 07:27 |
| schestowitz | To be fairer still, 91% is | Oct 03 07:27 |
| schestowitz | over 50 percent | Oct 03 07:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:27 |
| schestowitz | Checks out" | Oct 03 07:27 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.reddit.com | agenthex comments on The ‘Microsoft Loves Linux’ Baloney is Still Being Floated in the Media While Microsoft Attacks Linux With Patents, New Lawsuits Reported [ http://ur1.ca/nwm0q ] | Oct 03 07:27 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3n5r0o/the_microsoft_loves_linux_baloney_is_still_being/cvm1w7j | Oct 03 07:27 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.reddit.com | Shammyhealz comments on The ‘Microsoft Loves Linux’ Baloney is Still Being Floated in the Media While Microsoft Attacks Linux With Patents, New Lawsuits Reported [ http://ur1.ca/nwm0s ] | Oct 03 07:27 | |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:27 |
| schestowitz | I never said it couldn't make a different, obviously it can but you're grasping at straws here. Execution timing for spawning threads and processes? Most modern frameworks spawn processes up front if necessary (though spawning processes is usually unlikely for applications) and thread pooling is the typical way you'd re-use threads so that's not even an issue in either way. | Oct 03 07:27 |
| schestowitz | Those benchmarks don't even mention Windows or Darwin and there is no context it's just a simple chart. | Oct 03 07:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:27 |
| schestowitz | "It doesn't matter the OS it mentions, you said the OS wouldn't have any effect on the application performance. The graph clearly shows it does, and you can Google Cheetah webserver exos performance if you want better context. If you Google OSX vs Windows application performance you can get charts of that too. It's a mixed bag of what performs better where, but the OS can clearly make an impact." | Oct 03 07:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 07:27 |
| schestowitz | you said the OS wouldn't have any effect on the application performance | Oct 03 07:27 |
| schestowitz | I did not write this. Please re-read my original response. | Oct 03 07:27 |
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| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepp_Blatter#Personal_life | Oct 03 08:22 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Sepp Blatter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nwmbc ] | Oct 03 08:22 | |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 08:22 |
| schestowitz | Blatter's first wife was Liliane Biner. The couple had a daughter, Corinne,[74] and divorced shortly after. In 1981, Blatter married Barbara Käser, the daughter of Helmut Käser, Blatter's predecessor as secretary general of FIFA. Their marriage lasted ten years until Barbara died from complications after an operation. In 1995, Blatter began dating Ilona Boguska, a Polish friend of his daughter Corinne, before they separated in 2002.[75] | Oct 03 08:22 |
| schestowitz | Blatter married for a third time in 2002 to Graziella Bianca, a dolphin trainer who was a friend of his daughter.[76] Their marriage ended in divorce in 2004[77][better source needed] | Oct 03 08:22 |
| schestowitz | Blatter is a devout Catholic | Oct 03 08:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 08:22 |
| schestowitz | Even his wives wouldn't trust him | Oct 03 08:22 |
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| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@PTSD_Chat: @schestowitz PTSD effects many. Don't miss the PTSDchat on Wednesday's. See the chat in the news > http://t.co/NGHbqCdAe1 | Sep 29 02:27 | |
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| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@peterkarlberg: Peter Karlbergs dag is out! http://t.co/TznswJhNNE Stories via @srini091 @eurohumph @schestowitz | Sep 29 02:39 | |
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| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Installing_without_systemd ) | Sep 29 02:39 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #Systemv Startup vs #systemd ... to explain why its development was deemed necessary." http://t.co/rtGJ6gqRD2 | Sep 29 02:39 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/rosscdh/status/648375023703617537 | Sep 29 02:40 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@rosscdh: Let's hope. Trust no one. Least of all the winner of lowest tender https://t.co/s6W1GnDCMi | Sep 29 02:40 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Could VW scandal lead to open-source software for better automobile cybersecurity? http://t.co/SUf6b6fg4r #freesw #epa | Sep 29 02:40 | |
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| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: U.S. drug company sues Canada for trying to lower cost of $700K-a-year drug http://t.co/KCt57mIjr6 corporations vs, states/people. #isds | Sep 29 02:41 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/645846612607139840 | Sep 29 08:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Trump is not insane, as his stance on foreign policy shows. He's just shameless. | Sep 29 08:37 | |
| r_schestowitz | It has always be the case, won't success at any negotiation.... | Sep 29 08:37 |
| r_schestowitz | It has always been the case, won't succeed at any negotiation.... | Sep 29 08:39 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/645218584310992896?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email | Sep 29 09:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz So what!? It doesn't matter if the cat is black or white as long as mice are caught. | Sep 29 09:54 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/645211763726774272?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email | Sep 29 09:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz It is. Was going to go to the ManLUG meeting but got tied up in something else. | Sep 29 09:54 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/npettiaux/status/645209693674147841?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email | Sep 29 09:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@npettiaux: @schestowitz more education is needed ... and less use of tin/plastic | Sep 29 09:54 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/645208930528960513?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email | Sep 29 09:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Messgorough: @schestowitz In fairness #Sweden recycles tons but also you can return plastic etc to shops to receive a discount on shopping. | Sep 29 09:55 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/hanscees/status/645147658387070976?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=c02e4b7312a05281b45a111ee52b8d243a184dbc&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=991aebf2d0d44b63819c3af9515bdffb&autoactions=1442650163&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267 | Sep 29 09:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@hanscees: Gaming bolwerk Windows brokkelt af @schestowitz: over 1,500 Linux Games in Valve's Steam Library http://t.co/vCcmirEeWB #linux | Sep 29 09:55 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> news.softpedia.com | It's Official, There Are Now over 1,500 Linux Games in Valve's Steam Library - Softpedia | Sep 29 09:55 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/648796743547490305 | Sep 29 10:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz grrr.... Freaking proprietary shite. | Sep 29 10:55 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6612682 | Sep 29 11:06 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "KDE Partition Manager is split into library (KPMcore) and GUI parts to allow other projects reuse partitioning code" https://stikonas.eu/wordpress/2015/09/19/kde-partition-manager-2-0-alpha/ | Sep 29 11:06 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://stikonas.eu/wordpress/2015/09/19/kde-partition-manager-2-0-alpha/ ) | Sep 29 11:06 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6630931 | Sep 29 11:06 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Microsoft puts a bullet in blundering D-Link's leaked key that made malware VIPs on PCshttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/24/dlink_key_revoked/ recall http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA | Sep 29 11:06 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.theregister.co.uk | Microsoft puts a bullet in blundering D-Link's leaked key that made malware VIPs on PCs • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/nvlyd ] | Sep 29 11:06 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g1zod ] | Sep 29 11:07 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/648754696384040960 | Sep 29 11:24 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Jut had a bad dream about #systemd (I'm not joking) | Sep 29 11:24 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxActionShow/comments/3lww70/microsoft_claims_to_have_built_windows_on_top_of/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter | Sep 29 11:40 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.reddit.com | Microsoft Claims to Have Built ‘Windows’ on Top of Linux, But Where is the Source Code (GPL)? | Techrights : LinuxActionShow [ http://ur1.ca/nvm4c ] | Sep 29 11:40 | |
| r_schestowitz | "ACS is built on top of linux, windows isn't." | Sep 29 11:40 |
| r_schestowitz | "True. Thanks. I also just found out that according to GPL v2, you don't have to publish the source code if you are not going to make the 'distro' publicly available. So I apologise for posting this." | Sep 29 11:40 |
| r_schestowitz | "Posted for others (like myself) who weren't aware of ACS http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/microsoft-at-the-helm-of-azure-cloud-switch-a-cross-platform-modular-linux-distro/ " | Sep 29 11:40 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.digitaltrends.com | Microsoft Has Created Its Own Linux Distro Using Azure | Digital Trends [ http://ur1.ca/nvm4f ] | Sep 29 11:41 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6598476 | Sep 29 12:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@linux@joindiaspora.com: 12 technologies that tick off Linux creator Linus Torvalds http://www.pcworld.com/article/2984235/operating-systems/12-technologies-that-tick-off-linux-creator-linus-torvalds.html | Sep 29 12:02 | |
| r_schestowitz | "Interestingly not one of the 12 items is a technology…" | Sep 29 12:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.pcworld.com | 12 technologies that tick off Linux creator Linus Torvalds | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/nsloq ] | Sep 29 12:02 | |
| r_schestowitz | Editors, not authors, put together the headlines | Sep 29 12:02 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/648807992251523072 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/648810221423472640 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/648810374830116864 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/648810556791615488 | Sep 29 12:14 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #Acquia Funding Tops $173M as Drupal 8 Release Nears http://t.co/TnsA560GZT #drupal #freesw #cms | Sep 29 12:14 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.enterpriseappstoday.com | Acquia Funding Tops $173M as Drupal 8 Release Nears - Enterprise Apps Today | Sep 29 12:14 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #Ubuntu Gets Security Update for the #Nvidia Driver http://t.co/ulVtrGCEij #linux | Sep 29 12:14 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> linux.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Gets Security Update for the Nvidia Driver - Softpedia | Sep 29 12:14 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #Canonical Wants to Have Arabic Ubuntu Font http://t.co/nMVIfIpbbA #ubuntu #linux | Sep 29 12:14 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> linux.softpedia.com | Canonical Wants to Have Arabic Ubuntu Font - Softpedia | Sep 29 12:14 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Ubuntu: Why the first impression matters http://t.co/rTRbV4aphb #ubuntu #gnu #linux | Sep 29 12:14 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> design.canonical.com | Why the first impression matters | Ubuntu Design Blog | Sep 29 12:14 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/648810764531273728 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/648811017317822465 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/648811397774737408 | Sep 29 12:14 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Startup Lets Users Run #Ubuntu with #Xfce in Their Web Browsers http://t.co/H10GnaJzex #gnu #linux | Sep 29 12:14 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> news.softpedia.com | Startup Lets Users Run Ubuntu with Xfce in Their Web Browsers - Softpedia | Sep 29 12:14 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: 5 key trends in open source http://t.co/4gcH4D36MO #freesw #opensource | Sep 29 12:14 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.infoworld.com | 5 key trends in open source | InfoWorld | Sep 29 12:14 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #Canonical Patches Two #Linux #Kernel Vulnerabilities in #Ubuntu 14.04 LTS http://t.co/bwGh3QVdGZ | Sep 29 12:14 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> linux.softpedia.com | Canonical Patches Two Linux Kernel Vulnerabilities in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS - Softpedia | Sep 29 12:14 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6609909 | Sep 29 17:39 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@linux@joindiaspora.com: $15 plug-in crypto key supports RPi and other Linux devices http://linuxgizmos.com/15-plug-in-crypto-key-supports-rpi-and-other-linux-devices/ | Sep 29 17:39 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> linuxgizmos.com | $15 plug-in crypto key supports RPi and other Linux devices · LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/nvo7s ] | Sep 29 17:39 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6609909 | Sep 29 17:40 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6609909 | Sep 29 17:40 |
| r_schestowitz | "Is it possible to reduce the load of the pi when its used as a webserver using strong ssl/tls encryption?" | Sep 29 17:40 |
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| r_schestowitz | > Vacations are great and you are lucky to be able to get away from the grind and come back refreshed in mind and body. | Sep 29 19:35 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Sep 29 19:35 |
| r_schestowitz | > Where did you go? Why no pictures, is your camera broken? Haha. | Sep 29 19:35 |
| r_schestowitz | Family visit, I will upload some photos next month, it's on Rianne's cousin's camera. | Sep 29 19:35 |
| r_schestowitz | >> I have been getting your emails over the past couple of weeks but was | Sep 29 19:38 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > unable to respond as I am back from vacation only Monday at midnight, | Sep 29 19:38 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > whereupon I will catch up. Just wanted to clarify I'm not ignoring | Sep 29 19:38 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > anything... | Sep 29 19:38 |
| r_schestowitz | > I figured it was something like that. Have a good rest of your vacation | Sep 29 19:38 |
| r_schestowitz | > and a safe trip home. | Sep 29 19:38 |
| r_schestowitz | Thanks, I will gradually catch up with "Links" in the coming weeks. Articles too when time permits (super busy)... | Sep 29 19:38 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/644152376191025152?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=b3474096816cf7a5e7f313808c7f013bb9035e95&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=a0be64b6837745eb98ef19e510727a82&autoactions=1442412869&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267 | Sep 29 19:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SleepyPenguin1: What Reg readers really think will affect IT in the next three years... @schestowitz http://t.co/XO9XZGovz1 | Sep 29 19:55 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.theregister.co.uk | What Reg readers really think will affect IT in the next three years... • The Register | Sep 29 19:55 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/644193895824404481?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=e5db74ea89d3310bd02804382be31fb00a04d236&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=9f870ce26e1946ceae4d9345bf681ee5&autoactions=1442422768&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267 | Sep 29 19:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SleepyPenguin1: Let's Encrypt Project issues its First Free SSL/TLS Certificate @schestowitz #Security #linux #opensource http://t.co/harHbkAPgD | Sep 29 19:55 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> thehackernews.com | Let's Encrypt Project issues its First Free SSL/TLS Certificate | Sep 29 19:55 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/643873863550529539?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/643909540208070656?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email | Sep 29 19:56 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz Debian could work in a project to keep systemd off our computers... | Sep 29 19:56 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz The cat is out of the bag now... | Sep 29 19:56 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/cheezburgrmania/status/643986980485922816?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=c90433ce5efa2b591f0141575b78da4559279d48&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=8eb4a1c6ccb74fadbb92fce4ce6de827&autoactions=1442373436&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267 | Sep 29 19:57 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@cheezburgrmania: @schestowitz wow, MSFT is as bad as the Francis papacy these days, http://t.co/T7um9P7iU7 (MSFT shill revolt) | Sep 29 19:57 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.zdnet.com | Windows 10 glitches have sidelined my Surface 3 | ZDNet | Sep 29 19:57 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/643726025222946816?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=5375565edd76225191554b28574bc480bca511e9&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=aeee4890ab1b444983cee6de36327a1a&autoactions=1442311221&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267 | Sep 29 19:57 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SleepyPenguin1: Did GCHQ Illegally Spy on You? @schestowitz https://t.co/QKNaALPlKB | Sep 29 19:57 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://privacyinternational.org/illegalspying ) | Sep 29 19:57 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6589132 | Sep 29 21:30 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Daily Express mocks sceptics of extra-judicial killings using straw men, targets #corbyn individually http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/604376/Jeremy-Corbyn-ISIS-Islamic-State-Queen-Reyaad-Khan-David-Cameron-drone-strike | Sep 29 21:30 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.express.co.uk | Jeremy Corbyn 'unclear' over why British ISIS jihadi was killed | Politics | News | Daily Express [ http://ur1.ca/nvpws ] | Sep 29 21:30 | |
| r_schestowitz | "Can you give me a good link on this Jeremy Corbyn character and what he will be doing in the Labor party? I hear he is more Left than Labor has traditionally been but I just know nothing about British politics." | Sep 29 21:34 |
| r_schestowitz | "I have never heard about Corbyn until recently, but judging by his enemies he must be good." | Sep 29 21:34 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6590108 | Sep 29 21:37 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Mozilla Gets Its First Partners for Ads in #Firefox http://news.softpedia.com/news/mozilla-gets-its-first-partners-for-ads-in-firefox-491609.shtml despite anger http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2015/08/01/firefox-ads/ | Sep 29 21:37 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> news.softpedia.com | Mozilla Gets Its First Partners for Ads in Firefox - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/nvpyj ] | Sep 29 21:37 | |
| r_schestowitz | browser.newtabpage.enabled;false | Sep 29 21:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> schestowitz.com | schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » When Mozilla Puts an Advertising Network at the Very Heart of Firefox [ http://ur1.ca/nvpyk ] | Sep 29 21:37 | |
| r_schestowitz | browser.newtabpage.enhanced;false | Sep 29 21:37 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:37 |
| r_schestowitz | "They need to have income of some sort to pay people to work full-time. That used to come from Google (I know - Roy’s a fan, me - not so much.) When was the last time that anyone complaining actually sent money to Mozilla?" | Sep 29 21:38 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:38 |
| r_schestowitz | Mozilla funding, oddly enough, reminds me of public TV funding in America. | Sep 29 21:38 |
| r_schestowitz | When public TV starts a fund drive, the programming changes radically, in a way that ensures those who watch during the drive will be a completely different group than those who watch the rest of the time. Public TV continues, so that must work for them. I watch a lot of public TV, but I’ve never watched a program during a fund drive. Works for me. | Sep 29 21:38 |
| r_schestowitz | Mozilla’s funding seems to come from those that the most ardent Firefox users completely block. Firefox continues to be maintained, so that must work. Well, it works for me. I suppose I should give some help. | Sep 29 21:38 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:38 |
| r_schestowitz | "libreoffice foundation can do" | Sep 29 21:38 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6638409 | Sep 29 21:39 |
| r_schestowitz | "Like animals… ;)" | Sep 29 21:39 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Not a Diaspora post? | Sep 29 21:39 | |
| r_schestowitz | "Maybe it makes them feel better and lift harder. I once read that the use of taboo words was an effective pain relief that allowed people to keep their hands in ice water longer than people who were silent or shouted non taboo words. … hmm, maybe your disapproval is key to their success! Never mind. ;-}" | Sep 29 21:40 |
| r_schestowitz | "I wonder how many people that do exercise do it only for health’s sake." | Sep 29 21:40 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6603441 | Sep 29 21:41 |
| r_schestowitz | "I really don’t get Opera. It’s jut yet another Webkit browser." | Sep 29 21:41 |
| r_schestowitz | "@Keith Bowes, it’s a yet another Blink browser. Totally different kind." | Sep 29 21:41 |
| r_schestowitz | "Oh, right. A bit of a mixup on those pseudo-FOSS rendering engines." | Sep 29 21:41 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Not a Diaspora post? | Sep 29 21:42 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:42 |
| r_schestowitz | If I’m not mistaken, Opera introduced Speed Dial and some other things that most browsers have today. It is also the only one I know that allows you to search/navigate through links only (without extra plugins), and it has this cool feature where it guesses which is the “next” link in a page, so that you can just keep pressing “space” and it will automatically send you to the next page when you reach the bottom. | Sep 29 21:42 |
| r_schestowitz | It also has this very cool automatic logo generation for webpages in its Speed Dial. | Sep 29 21:42 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:42 |
| r_schestowitz | There is prior art | Sep 29 21:42 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6637900 | Sep 29 21:50 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: U.S. drug company sues Canada for trying to lower cost of $700K-a-year drug http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/u-s-drug-company-sues-canada-for-trying-to-lower-cost-of-700k-a-year-drug-1.3242172 corporations vs, states/people. #isds | Sep 29 21:50 | |
| r_schestowitz | "And there are still people that think free markets always work on their best interests." | Sep 29 21:50 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.cbc.ca | U.S. drug company sues Canada for trying to lower cost of $700K-a-year drug - Health - CBC News [ http://ur1.ca/nvq1v ] | Sep 29 21:50 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:51 |
| r_schestowitz | This has nothing to do with markets… | Sep 29 21:51 |
| r_schestowitz | https://fee.org/anythingpeaceful/the-pill-whose-price-went-up-5000-it-costs-5-cents-in-india/ | Sep 29 21:51 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-fee.org | The Pill Whose Price Went Up 5000%? It Costs 5 Cents in India. | Foundation for Economic Education [ http://ur1.ca/nvq23 ] | Sep 29 21:51 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:51 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:51 |
| r_schestowitz | “There is no reason why the United States cannot have as vigorous a market in generic pharmaceuticals as does India.” | Sep 29 21:51 |
| r_schestowitz | That’s the point, it’s supposed that in a free market the offer will eventually meet the demand in an optimized way. If there is a lot of demand other suppliers will jump until those goods reach an optimum price, benefiting consumers and producers. | Sep 29 21:51 |
| r_schestowitz | There are only two problems about this: the perfect free market do not exist and might never be, and what happens while offer and demand get the optimum point? | Sep 29 21:51 |
| r_schestowitz | In this case, people die of perfectly preventable diseases. I do not mind so much a free market for cellphones, but for healthcare I prefer the commie way. | Sep 29 21:51 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:51 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:52 |
| r_schestowitz | I do not mind so much a free market for cellphones, but for healthcare I prefer the commie way. | Sep 29 21:52 |
| r_schestowitz | As a Mutualist I completely agree (the distinction being basic needs vs consumer goods) however it should be understood that this and the general state of the healthcare system is a result of state interference. There are non-state alternatives to market run healthcare. | Sep 29 21:52 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:52 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:52 |
| r_schestowitz | In this particular case it might be true, but one cannot simply trust market forces will fix everything. You might be aware of the VW emissions cheating scandal, there is almost no market for ecologic cars. | Sep 29 21:52 |
| r_schestowitz | People have little incentive to buy a more expensive car compared with the less ecological ones, and mileage tends to be better without emission control devices. There are even some rednecks that pollute as much as possible on purpose. And on the other hand, automakers have little incentive to produce cars that are more expensive that should be. | Sep 29 21:52 |
| r_schestowitz | Everybody wants clean air but no one wants to pay for it, if there were true free markets by this time the Arctic would be already gone and almost nobody would give a fuck. The State is supposed to regulate important matters that otherwise nobody would care of individually, and the rest might be achieved through market forces, that’s what I think. | Sep 29 21:52 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:52 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6605357 | Sep 29 21:53 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Today at the pub we were the only ones ordering tea. It sure shocked the bartender. If {not ordering drug (alcohol)}=bad customer. | Sep 29 21:53 | |
| r_schestowitz | "$customer = ($ordering→drug(“tea”)) ? “bad” : “good”; // I’ve always loved the ternary operator" | Sep 29 21:53 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:54 |
| r_schestowitz | This reminds me, when I was young I went once to a place where women danced happily on tables, with a few schoolmates. Since I was single and with a job I had plenty of money so I ordered beer for me, and my schoolmates ordered lemonades. At the end they were shocked to know lemonades costed the same as beer. | Sep 29 21:54 |
| r_schestowitz | I had a good laugh that day. | Sep 29 21:54 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:54 |
| r_schestowitz | The Chinese buffet here is like that. Ripoff on soft drinks... | Sep 29 21:54 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6588176 | Sep 29 21:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This morning I asked my wife if we're allowed to bring sandwiches on the plane. This is what going abroad is like now https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/643027344517677056 | Sep 29 21:55 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Airport authorities have managed to take all joy away from the miracle of flight. Way to go. | Sep 29 21:55 | |
| r_schestowitz | "backup all your data to some server and wipe your laptop completely?" | Sep 29 21:55 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Sep 29 21:55 |
| r_schestowitz | Better safe than sorry." | Sep 29 21:55 |
| r_schestowitz | Used SSH and it worked, except when IP rolled over.... | Sep 29 21:55 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6590346 | Sep 29 21:58 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This article is BS http://www.androidauthority.com/robust-android-ransomware-spreading-across-american-devices-641671/ uses the word "spreading" as if it's a virus rather than something people must actually install | Sep 29 21:58 | |
| r_schestowitz | "it sounds better than ‘stupid people keep installing crap on their phones and getting malware’" | Sep 29 21:58 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.androidauthority.com | Robust Android ransomware spreading across American devices [ http://ur1.ca/nvq4g ] | Sep 29 21:58 | |
| r_schestowitz | "That’s what they should say." | Sep 29 21:58 |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6589149 | Sep 29 21:59 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Hawkish right-wing British media extremely harsh on #corbyn and this is what #kremlin apparatus says: https://www.rt.com/uk/315036-syria-refugees-jeremy-corbyn/ | Sep 29 21:59 | |
| r_schestowitz | "Corbyn is right, but the Kremlin is only interested in supporting the fascist murderer Assad." | Sep 29 21:59 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.rt.com | Syria needs political solution, not military intervention – Corbyn — RT UK [ http://ur1.ca/nvq4v ] | Sep 29 21:59 | |
| r_schestowitz | "When was the last time the US supported someone advocating for political solutions?" | Sep 29 22:00 |
| r_schestowitz | "1956?" | Sep 29 22:00 |
| r_schestowitz | What happened then? | Sep 29 22:01 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/648981932303327233 | Sep 30 00:06 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@_Goblin: So the 13th October I will be debating with @Michael812 . It will be included into the TechBytes show. @schestowitz FYI | Sep 30 00:06 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/648991816637878272 | Sep 30 00:07 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz Yeah, maybe it's game over for him... | Sep 30 00:07 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/649203285103144961 | Sep 30 13:49 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@dawnbazely: @FreiheitExpert, I dunno who Dr. Bazely is 😉. Dawn, pls (it's shorter & better for tweets!). cc @schestowitz. | Sep 30 13:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/LozKaye/status/649203744853372928 | Sep 30 13:49 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@LozKaye: @schestowitz You'll have to ask them, not me... ;) | Sep 30 13:49 | |
| schestowitz | This question was brought forth to Rick and other PPs before... | Sep 30 13:50 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649653669684711424 https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/649653763054022656 | Oct 01 19:36 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz Just read TR story? "I proudly shows two CEOs who are also of Indian descent???" Is SJVN also Indian? https://t.co/gfxlKtYtZ2 | Oct 01 19:36 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> plus.google.com | All 20 or so lawsuits, including the Android ones, in Germany and the U.S. have… | Oct 01 19:36 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz Roy, I'm an outsider from New Zealand. I just told you how your article reads to an outsider. I.e, setting a racist tone. | Oct 01 19:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649653917509414912 | Oct 01 19:36 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz The title is not misleading. That’s what they did settled their patents dispute? What’s misleading there? | Oct 01 19:36 | |
| schestowitz | it's the Motorola dispute and does not stop peripheral lawsuits, from Microsoft proxies | Oct 01 19:37 |
| schestowitz | If I said German descent, would that too be "racist"? | Oct 01 19:38 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649654155783589888 | Oct 01 19:38 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz And if you think I am ‘brainwashed’, I really have nothing more to say. | Oct 01 19:38 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is no friend of Linux; far from it... | Oct 01 19:38 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/649654985567830016 | Oct 01 19:40 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz if you called attention to both CEOs and writer being of martian descent & making that a bullet point, it would still be racist | Oct 01 19:40 | |
| schestowitz | I guess PC has gone completely out of control then in NZ... | Oct 01 19:41 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649655049510100992 | Oct 01 19:41 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz There are no other patent lawsuits between GOOG and MSFT. Moto was the only patent war between the two companies. | Oct 01 19:41 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft does a divide and rule, still suing pertinent Android companies, directly and indirectly | Oct 01 19:42 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649655226488750080 | Oct 01 19:42 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz I ‘never’ said they are friend of Linux in the article. Did I? | Oct 01 19:42 | |
| schestowitz | Not in the article, no... | Oct 01 19:42 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/649655562121056256 | Oct 01 19:43 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz FYI, I'm descended from English, German-gypsy, Irish, Maori. Who cares what race | Oct 01 19:43 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649655924517400576 | Oct 01 19:44 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz I said the same thing in my article. | Oct 01 19:44 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/649656159729684480 | Oct 01 19:46 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz no, Roy, it hasn't. This is just someone sick of racism voicing a concern. Please, please, just listen and take it to heart | Oct 01 19:46 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649656173323546624 https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649656323114713088 | Oct 01 19:46 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz then why are you telling me they are not friend of Linux? I know and that’s why even when I cover them I do leave room for 1/2 | Oct 01 19:46 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz room for obvious suspicion as while we encourage change, we should’t forget past. 2/2 | Oct 01 19:46 | |
| schestowitz | In our twitter powwow I sensed you believe they're willing to change and become Linux-friendly | Oct 01 19:46 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649656880189558785 https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649657313343721472 | Oct 01 19:50 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz Damn. I even mentioned their 3E policy. We should not ‘demonize’ fellow writers who are still covering Linux as their career. | Oct 01 19:50 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz Yes, I am pragmatic. They need to change. If they don’t they won’t survive. Linux dominates everything minus desktop 1/2 | Oct 01 19:50 | |
| schestowitz | We don't need to worry about their survival. After what they did for decades, bankruptcy much deserved. | Oct 01 19:51 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649657759848341504 | Oct 01 19:52 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz and MSFT won’t survive without Linux. GPL protects Linux & MSFT can’t do what they could with OOXML, no 3e possible here. | Oct 01 19:52 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft oughtn't survive, with or without Linux. | Oct 01 19:52 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649658581306970112 | Oct 01 19:57 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz me neither; the point was : they need to become less hostile for their own survival which is good for Linux. | Oct 01 19:57 | |
| schestowitz | they are more COVERTLY hostile. Stay tuned for my articles about EPO-Microsoft connections. | Oct 01 19:57 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649659588799819776 | Oct 01 19:58 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz i don’t care and it doesn’t matter if I do. What I care is how any change affects Linux. Period. | Oct 01 19:58 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6653543 | Oct 01 20:06 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@linux@joindiaspora.com: http://www.techrepublic.com/article/why-a-linux-powered-botnet-shouldnt-send-you-scurrying-back-to-windows/ | Oct 01 20:06 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.techrepublic.com | Why a Linux-powered botnet shouldn't send you scurrying back to Windows - TechRepublic [ http://ur1.ca/nw8ro ] | Oct 01 20:06 | |
| schestowitz | "Even arch does not allow root login by default. If got sudo you totally don’t need root access via ssh." | Oct 01 20:06 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/649661097973293057 | Oct 01 20:07 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@agente_smithe: RT @schestowitz: #microsoft downgraded by #citigroup https://t.co/6Vyt9RSpY0 | Oct 01 20:07 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.dakotafinancialnews.com | Microsoft Receives “Sell” Rating from Citigroup Inc. (MSFT) | Oct 01 20:07 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649662204061569025 | Oct 01 20:11 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz I disagree. | Oct 01 20:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/649666720005623808 | Oct 01 20:28 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz they were supposed to give the inventor a grace period to exploit their invention. Definitely not for monopolising or trolling | Oct 01 20:28 | |
| schestowitz | > 2015 is a milestone year as we first met in May of the year 2000. That was 15 long years ago and you were only 17. That can be considered a long term friendship, and I would like it to renew for another 15 years but that is asking too much so I will take what is given...there is no other choice. Haha. | Oct 01 22:40 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 01 22:40 |
| schestowitz | > I realize that most boys follow in the footsteps of their fathers, and his family lineage is dominant compared to the mothers. | Oct 01 22:40 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6654471 | Oct 02 19:21 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@linux@joindiaspora.com: OpenShot 2.0 Video Editor to Be Released Soon for Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows 10 http://news.softpedia.com/news/openshot-2-0-video-editor-to-be-released-soon-for-linux-mac-os-x-and-windows-10-493259.shtml | Oct 02 19:21 | |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 02 19:21 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> news.softpedia.com | OpenShot 2.0 Video Editor to Be Released Soon for Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows 10 - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/nw8sk ] | Oct 02 19:21 | |
| schestowitz | Meh. I have tried Pitivi, OpenShot, Kdenlive, Cinelerra and yes, when I got really desperate Lightworks and had instability, render and sync problems with ALL of them. Repeatedly. For the last 8 years, I’ve tried them all every 6 months or so to see if open source video editing on Linux is a thing yet (yes I know that there are commercial $5000+ apps that work). Every. Single. Time. even projects of pretty basic complexity fail. | Oct 02 19:21 |
| schestowitz | I have to give a special mention to Kdenlive for over and over actually looking like it was going to work and rendering properly just long enough to convince me to run with it and put hours into a full project, whereupon the sound sync fails or the renderer crashes every time, only right towards the very end (when all of the works been put in). I keep promising “never again”, but each time it actually looks like it might work this | Oct 02 19:21 |
| schestowitz | time. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 6 times in a row… yes, I’m feeling like an idiot for even trying by now. Possibly, I say possibly with all of the refactoring that’s been marged lately… No Bugsbane! Don’t get suced in again! Fingers crossed for OpenShot 2, although something is definitely fishy about how the dev keeps not showing anyone the code, not communicating for months and then doing blog posts were everything is | Oct 02 19:21 |
| schestowitz | claimed to be great. | Oct 02 19:21 |
| schestowitz | I just want ONE project to start taing the lead and becoming reliable. I don’t care who as long as it’s FOSS and it’s reliable enough that it generates an active community and high bus factor development (remember how Kdenlive almost died when JBM went AWOL?) | Oct 02 19:21 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 02 19:21 |
| schestowitz | "Quite frankly, I’m surprised that more people haven’t pointed out the sheer silliness of OpenShot 2 being an “open source” video editor, when seemingly only one person has access to see the source code to at this point, after $45,000 in funding and 2.5 years of development." | Oct 02 19:21 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 02 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Fun fact: Openshot 2 has been funded as an open source video editor without providing source for longer than Lightworks has been promising to go open (April 2013 vs August 2014). | Oct 02 19:21 |
| schestowitz | This isn’t meant to defend Lightworks. They both need to get their butts in gear and RELEASE THE SOURCE for everyone to help with. No wonder development on both is slow. sigh | Oct 02 19:21 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 02 19:21 |
| schestowitz | "note: That article linked to in this post is taking some pretty big liberties saying that it’s going to be “released soon”. The actual words of the developer in the original blog post was just that he was “committed” to releasing it “as soon as possible”. For reference, the original estimate was that it would be complete in 2013. Yes, I know it’s a mamoth task that the single dev has inexplicably chosen to take on without | Oct 02 19:22 |
| schestowitz | letting anyone else help yet, and that software dev always goes over schedule… but it’s going on for two YEARS overdue." | Oct 02 19:22 |
| schestowitz | "no, I think when they released first version 12, every mentions of “open source” has been removed…" | Oct 02 19:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 02 19:22 |
| schestowitz | you forgot Lumiera http://lumiera.org/ | Oct 02 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Forked in 2007, I don’t know if it can do yet something | Oct 02 19:22 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-lumiera.org | Lumiera | Oct 02 19:23 | |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 02 19:23 |
| schestowitz | if openshot quits being open it'll be shot | Oct 02 19:23 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 02 19:35 |
| schestowitz | > 1. I wrote: Sounds like you were a good grandson to all 4 of your grandparents and I, of course, love that trait. Sometimes it is harder to be a good son than a good grandson. How is that going? | Oct 02 19:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 02 19:35 |
| schestowitz | > 2. You wrote: I think that a lot of people lose their grandparents before they | Oct 02 19:35 |
| schestowitz | > develop the sensibilities that tell them how thankful they should be | Oct 02 19:35 |
| schestowitz | > to their grandparents (people must age themselves to truly project and | Oct 02 19:35 |
| schestowitz | > recognise the feeling), whereas as their own parents age they do have | Oct 02 19:35 |
| schestowitz | > time to look after them (maybe in their very last days). The overlap | Oct 02 19:35 |
| schestowitz | > of ages is too far apart for 2 generations apart... I now have no | Oct 02 19:35 |
| schestowitz | > grandparents left and I'm 33. | Oct 02 19:35 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 02 19:35 |
| schestowitz | > 3. Me: As usual you are right on target….the key word is sensibility. The age of development in people varies greatly. My grandson David is 26, but I think he had deep human feelings very early in life. There is a story I once wrote about David at age 12…. | Oct 02 19:35 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/650019197657944064 https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/650019259666538496 | Oct 02 19:49 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz I don’t assume that Microsoft will immediately give up all their patents. They may still continue to sign patent deals. | Oct 02 19:49 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz Looks like you don’t read full stories. | Oct 02 19:49 | |
| schestowitz | it's self explanatory, they're extorting another company using patents | Oct 02 19:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/650020092458213376 | Oct 02 19:51 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz i am not getting your point, we are both saying the same thing. | Oct 02 19:51 | |
| schestowitz | Well, I think Microsoft should be driven into court, maybe into bankruptcy, not reformed or absorbed into LF for instance | Oct 02 19:52 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/LinuxVeda/status/650020548936777728 | Oct 02 19:53 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@LinuxVeda: @retroDoomer @schestowitz This was the first time someone made such a remark in 10 years of my career and I am totally disgusted. | Oct 02 19:53 | |
| schestowitz | So if one shows two US CEOs and the author is from the US, pointing that out is "poor taste"? | Oct 02 19:53 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/650030914697719808 | Oct 02 20:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @LinuxVeda Ron, you really do not understand it do you. | Oct 02 20:35 | |
| schestowitz | It's poor taste to insinuate one is racist for merely mentioning something non-offensive about nationality (of nation with 1+ billion) | Oct 02 20:36 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/650033036181041152 | Oct 02 20:46 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz And I chose Android because there was no MS crap... Now, this. | Oct 02 20:46 | |
| schestowitz | Extortion | Oct 02 20:46 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/650033431389192192 | Oct 02 20:47 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @LinuxVeda no, it is pointing out something that *is* actually insinuating a racist context. | Oct 02 20:47 | |
| schestowitz | That's nonsense. All I ever said about Indians (search techrights) is positive. | Oct 02 20:47 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/650033496023547904 | Oct 02 20:47 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz If you can't beat them, infect them... :-( | Oct 02 20:47 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft calls it EEE | Oct 02 20:48 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/650034935357575168 | Oct 02 20:50 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @LinuxVeda Ron, you state in your article that Swapnil is only writing a positive article because the CEOs are Indian. You used | Oct 02 20:50 | |
| schestowitz | Of tens of thousands of people who read the article you're the only one muddying the water over it | Oct 02 20:50 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/650035177331142656 | Oct 02 20:51 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @LinuxVeda that as a basis for argument. You could easily have stated he was wrong *without* bringing race into it. | Oct 02 20:51 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/650035663564357632 | Oct 02 20:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz Yeah, old tricks, new clothes... | Oct 02 20:54 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/650035779377364992 | Oct 02 20:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @LinuxVeda come off it. I'm calling you out on one small thing which is "casual racism". You do not seem to understand this | Oct 02 20:54 | |
| schestowitz | I know what you mean by "casual racism" and using this yardstick you could say all my posts re Saudi and Singapore are "racist" | Oct 02 20:55 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/650035880313286656 | Oct 02 20:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @LinuxVeda concept, and how it affects people long-term. | Oct 02 20:55 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/650036741072666624 | Oct 02 20:59 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Kissinger didn't only put right-wingers in power, he also removed them if they got uppity. | Oct 02 20:59 | |
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| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3n5r0o/the_microsoft_loves_linux_baloney_is_still_being/?limit=500 | Oct 03 06:22 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.reddit.com | The ‘Microsoft Loves Linux’ Baloney is Still Being Floated in the Media While Microsoft Attacks Linux With Patents, New Lawsuits Reported : linux [ http://ur1.ca/nwll7 ] | Oct 03 06:22 | |
| schestowitz | "A USB hub that runs Linux? orly?" | Oct 03 06:22 |
| schestowitz | "I've seen toasters on the net that run Linux." | Oct 03 06:22 |
| schestowitz | "With projects like Free60 you can get potatoes on the net that also run Linux." | Oct 03 06:22 |
| schestowitz | http://free60.org/wiki/Main_Page | Oct 03 06:22 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-free60.org | Free60 | Oct 03 06:22 | |
| schestowitz | I thought you meant literal spuds. I was disappointed. | Oct 03 06:23 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:23 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:23 |
| schestowitz | Here, hope this brightens your day: Hackers Successfully Install Linux on a Potato. | Oct 03 06:23 |
| schestowitz | Edit: no specifics on the distro, but one would hope it was based on Debian Potato. | Oct 03 06:23 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bbspot.com/news/2008/12/linux-on-a-potato.html | Oct 03 06:23 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.bbspot.com | BBspot - Hackers Successfully Install Linux on a Potato [ http://ur1.ca/12eb ] | Oct 03 06:23 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.debian.org/releases/potato/installguide/ | Oct 03 06:23 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.debian.org | Debian -- Installing Debian Potato [ http://ur1.ca/nwlld ] | Oct 03 06:23 | |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:23 |
| schestowitz | Is this for real? I can't tell. | Oct 03 06:23 |
| schestowitz | EDIT: I'm an idiot. It is satire. | Oct 03 06:23 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:23 |
| schestowitz | "Well, to be fair... I did play it straight. Thanks for helping with the punch line! Have an upvote, my friend." | Oct 03 06:23 |
| schestowitz | "I've seen dead badgers that run Linux." | Oct 03 06:23 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:24 |
| schestowitz | While it may be perfectly fine to share the "fuck microsoft" sentiment here, a sentiment I firmly agree with on ALL fronts from enterprise to enduser... I've attempted to argue against Microsoft over in /r/sysadmin and had actual threats sent to my PM. One guy said "you don't know shit about what you're talking about, typical linux admin faggot, I feel sorry for your whole family and maybe someone should relieve them and you of all your | Oct 03 06:24 |
| schestowitz | misery" | Oct 03 06:24 |
| schestowitz | I mean I laughed that off, but Microsoft as a company and their supporters just seem to be shitting the bed at this point. They're nothing more than a company with a ton of userbase by default and a ton of money to do whatever they want. I could probably write a very long book about what a pile of shit they are. | Oct 03 06:24 |
| schestowitz | This "adoption" of linux is nothing more than a clear attempt to infiltrate the community, start introducing proprietary fucking bullshit into builds and distribution circles and then pull the rug out from under it. That's what they do. They're anti-progress. | Oct 03 06:24 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:24 |
| schestowitz | "Bad idea. The place is mainly full of people asking how to upgrade Exchange or ActiveDirectory all bloody day." | Oct 03 06:24 |
| schestowitz | "That sub is just a reflection of "standard" corporate IT where the primary technology needs are supporting desktops that need email and a file server. So it's basically a Microsoft shitshow." | Oct 03 06:24 |
| schestowitz | " I've attempted to argue against Microsoft over in /r/sysadmin" | Oct 03 06:24 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:25 |
| schestowitz | When I worked in IT, I found that the "need" for Windows was often based on a scared "technology exec" who felt better about having a server gui that looked like their desktop computer (with the ability to right click on things and hunt around to fix problems) Whenever our teams brought up linux, we'd get hit with "but if you leave, I won't be able to find someone to manage it". (forgetting the fact that I'm not the only person in the | Oct 03 06:25 |
| schestowitz | world with Linux experience) | Oct 03 06:25 |
| schestowitz | It was mostly based on fear. It's scary, and windows is so pretty and easy. | Oct 03 06:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:25 |
| schestowitz | "SUSE is so pretty and easy too, and it's linux underneath. " | Oct 03 06:25 |
| schestowitz | "It's probably to do with the fact for most Corporate IT Tasks. AD, File Service, Email Server, etc Microsoft has nailed it in ease of setup compared to the Linux versions. People pay money for that, considering how much a salary costs." | Oct 03 06:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:26 |
| schestowitz | I'm fine with that. I've administered both Linux mail (Postfix and the qmail) and exchange. I've done both openLDAP and AD. | Oct 03 06:26 |
| schestowitz | I can say the next->next->I agree-->next->finish Microsoft setup is indeed easy. And if nothing goes wrong, life is perfect. But... Do you have a jjohnson1@yourdomain.com? For no other reason than you flat out couldn't associate a mailbox properly?? | Oct 03 06:26 |
| schestowitz | I'm sure there's a fix somewhere. But it's not simple. As much as the CLI can be a pain, it's simple to reason with. (From my perspective) | Oct 03 06:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:27 |
| schestowitz | This is a pretty major point that people overlook. Time how long it takes to set up AD vs how long it takes to manually configure Kerberos/LDAP. Someone is paying me for my time, and they want me to fix as many issues in my workday as possible. They don't want me to spend the majority of my day setting up one server function. | Oct 03 06:27 |
| schestowitz | So many people get caught up in the "free" and the "libre" that they forget about practicality. | Oct 03 06:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:27 |
| schestowitz | I work with $5k to $10k worth of QAM/streaming equipment. The Windows software that's needed to keep my stuff working properly and to provide my engineers with a working cable enviornment works flawlessly. | Oct 03 06:27 |
| schestowitz | The Linux counterpart is shit. They try, and they try really hard, but it's terrible. | Oct 03 06:27 |
| schestowitz | Our entire engineering department runs on Linux. We have a no-Windows rule for end-users and engineers. Even then, we still need Windows for many different things and it has very little to do with "scared of not having Windows". | Oct 03 06:27 |
| schestowitz | EDIT: No, that's cool. Downvote me because there's more to enterprise computing then giving a bunch of pencil pushers email access, and how you can't just up and replace it all with Linux, and how it's all because of ignorance. | Oct 03 06:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:27 |
| schestowitz | "I didn't touch your votes. But hey, keep in mind, you're talking about a vendor app, not core MS technology. (Gave you an upvote, thanks for your reply)" | Oct 03 06:28 |
| schestowitz | "It's pretty disappointing that you're being downvoted like that. Linux is the better platform, but if the applications running on it (in this case, presumably vendor garbage) are terrible then the platform becomes irrelevant" | Oct 03 06:28 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:28 |
| schestowitz | That's the hard part about these Anti Microsoft threads. I genuinely believe that most of the time Linux offers a better solution in some form. I love Linux and I love using it and learning more about it. | Oct 03 06:28 |
| schestowitz | But the simple fact of the matter is that some things are just better on Windows. And we need to be okay with the fact that there is hard reasoning for a lot of companies to continue using Windows. | Oct 03 06:28 |
| schestowitz | The world of tech companies is not divided into crazy complex source code builders and pencil pushers who just think Office 365 is the best option. | Oct 03 06:28 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:28 |
| schestowitz | "Windows administration is largely command-line nowadays. " | Oct 03 06:29 |
| schestowitz | "No way. I'm sure it's possible, but I' equally sure most people don't use it. The only MS selling point is GUI for everything. If you want command line, just grab your bash." | Oct 03 06:29 |
| schestowitz | "As someone who works as a sysadmin and is subscribed to /r/sysadmin, allow me to assure you that you are very, very out of touch with what large scale enterprise IT entails, and it's not just "supporting desktops that need email and a file server"." | Oct 03 06:29 |
| schestowitz | "Yeah, I browse that sub pretty frequently and it's definitely Microsoft-heavy in there. Not a bad thing; just something to keep in mind." | Oct 03 06:29 |
| schestowitz | "I was kind of surprised my question about drbd went nearly unanswered, sans one kind soul who helped me out. I thought that a "forum for professional system administrators" would lean linux, not windows shops. Like /u/mrcrassic said, it's not a bad thing, I am just kind of surprised there are so many companies that are paying to run Windows platforms for enterprise applications that may or may not be necessary." | Oct 03 06:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:30 |
| schestowitz | I've just signed up for a new reddit account as I criticised a couple of things with respect to Microsoft. My account had the shit pummelled out of it. | Oct 03 06:30 |
| schestowitz | To be clear I'm primarily a Microsoft software dev and am an MSDN member but I look after a lot of Linux kit we use as well (CentOS). Ive been developing software on DOS/Windows since 1992 and a daily Linux user since 1997. I'm about as balanced as it gets in the scale of things. I'm a pragmatist not a zealot. | Oct 03 06:30 |
| schestowitz | However my crime was clearly to suggest that this organisational change is just another marketing change and they are still a bunch of scumbags underneath the facade. The same people who get fucked every year by VL and license hikes just keep licking ass. | Oct 03 06:30 |
| schestowitz | No one should be immune from criticism. | Oct 03 06:31 |
| schestowitz | As for me, I've been treated like shit by Microsoft for years. No more. | Oct 03 06:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:31 |
| schestowitz | Nadella does things very differently to Ballmer. I don't disagree about the expensive pricing (still not as extortionate as IBM or Oracle mind you) and the way things are going is much more in keeping with what Linux is doing. They are trying to eat *nix's lunch. They've taken a big bite out of VMWare for instance and I don't see that trend reversing. | Oct 03 06:31 |
| schestowitz | I'm a sysadmin and I'm happier with what Microsoft offer lately because it's more in keeping with what Linux does. Applications (Exchange, SQL) are moving towards being disposable instances with a storage platform in the background. It's a good way of doing things. | Oct 03 06:31 |
| schestowitz | The weakness of Microsoft is that they don't want to play nicely with anyone. The normal business strategy is to go along with things until they can either subsume or consume it. Linux contributors have to start circling the wagons before they do too much damage. | Oct 03 06:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:32 |
| schestowitz | You're right with the observation of their work, but the motivation I suspect is to get more people to move to their Azure platform so they can be milked like cows. Once you're there, and this is a big trap with the cloud IaaS platforms (AWS as well), is that some services aren't portable and then you're stuck. | Oct 03 06:32 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't matter to them if you're using Windows or Linux then. | Oct 03 06:32 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:32 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:32 |
| schestowitz | It depends how you provide the services on that platform. Using Azure as a virtual datacentre is a cost-effective way of offering application resilience (As much as any other cloud provider, YMMV). The main benefit is the integration with System Centre Azure Web Pack I can push up and pull down VMs from cloud to on-premise relatively easily. They've packaged that all up as Operations Management Suite now which is their effort to cast that | Oct 03 06:32 |
| schestowitz | net wide and fight against VMWare's vRealize product. | Oct 03 06:32 |
| schestowitz | However they will start offering more bespoke, cut-down offerings which are cheaper but will have the hidden pricetag of low or impossible portability as you say. It's up to operations to make informed choices about their infrastructure. It's all about business risk and profitability at the end of the day. I'm saying that as someone who has to look after an IBM i system and deals with their eye-wateringly expensive licensing. | Oct 03 06:32 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:32 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:32 |
| schestowitz | Personally I'll be avoiding any prepackaged solution from a IaaS provider as much as I can. | Oct 03 06:32 |
| schestowitz | What I want from an IaaS provider: | Oct 03 06:32 |
| schestowitz | A VM | Oct 03 06:32 |
| schestowitz | A way to access the VMs console | Oct 03 06:32 |
| schestowitz | A way to hook a netowork interface on that VM into one of my current vlans | Oct 03 06:32 |
| schestowitz | Everything else I want to do myself. I don't want tools to push an image. I don't want management tools to the VM. I don't want their scalability scripts. | Oct 03 06:32 |
| schestowitz | I just want a bare VM. | Oct 03 06:32 |
| schestowitz | I've got auto build systems here. I've got multiple box management here. That I can do. What I can't do, is get myself a near unlimited supply of fresh VMs immediatly. | Oct 03 06:33 |
| schestowitz | Trying to use any of their tools can only ever result in being locked into that provider. And fuck that. | Oct 03 06:33 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:33 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:34 |
| schestowitz | I made the mistake to choose AWS for my current project. I just wanted a "datacenter",too, but it turns out there are a lot of resources to manage (vms, security groups, networks, storage, credentials) and we basically have written an API client for the AWS api now. The system as a whole is very un-portable now (we provision and destroy a about a hundred VMs each day along with the associated resources, and the API is slow and unstable as | Oct 03 06:34 |
| schestowitz | shit). | Oct 03 06:34 |
| schestowitz | Last night I experienced the ultimate vendor lock-in: One of our machine templates had a faulty fstab and failed to boot (nofail not set). Because this image originally came from the marketplace (official CentOS 7), it had a so-called "marketplace code" embedded. These codes are designed to protect proprietary appliances from inspection and it's impossible to mount the images in another machines. I had to scrap all the associated VMs and | Oct 03 06:34 |
| schestowitz | re-provision them. | Oct 03 06:34 |
| schestowitz | The "cloud"/IaaS is just virtualization, with crucial features taken away, slower and more expensive. It's designed to lock you in. If it's not too late for you, rent some real hardware and install your favourite vm manager on it. | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | If it's not too late for you, rent some real hardware and install your favourite vm manager on it. | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | We've got that already. | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | The problem with have with it, is being able to scale from 3 VMs in a product to 300 VMs in the product for a couple of days. We just can't maintain that much hardware for the occasional big hit. | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | Because this image originally came from the marketplace | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | ding ding ding | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | This is exactly the type of thing I want to avoid like the plague. I'm not saying I can avoid it. Just that I will at all costs. | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | As it stands, I'm in a heavily red-hat environment. We'll be using Red Hat Satellite (using foreman) to deploy boxes (not images) to different virtual datacenters. Each install will start as a plain Red Hat install, which will then be tweaked as little as possible to the environment. | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | I will not be downloading someone else's image for my system. Yes, this already has my management team in tears when they see how quick and easy the cloud is. | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | "It's the official distribution method of CentOS unfortunately :-( I used this specifically because I wanted to avoid to get an AMI from the "public" list that some guy on the internet build. I'd rather use the one that the CentOS project built. Probably the CentOS guys should change their mind about that though..." | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | We build our own CentOS images with http://packer.io/ | Oct 03 06:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://packer.io/ ) | Oct 03 06:35 | |
| schestowitz | The "some guy on the internet" builds are scary sometimes plus you just don't know what you're using. | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | That's exactly it. Nothing else. However they have a crazy batshit network system over at AWS which forces to you use bits of their glue to do anything simpler than raise a single host on a public IP. Azure is going the same way. | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | Also while I'm here: fuck EBS. | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, I've heard the network guys battling with similar. Trying my damndest to keep out of the way. | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | It's a shame that all the big players are going with mass lock in, rather than just providing a good service. | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | But then most people seem to be cool with using one "easy" provider, and don't see how that could be a problem *sigh* | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | "Yes I agree with you. It's the reason we haven't moved from Exchange to O365, it simply doesn't have the flexibility that full fat / on-premise does. That's fine for some people but not me." | Oct 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | "Isn't "Microsoft Linux" an internal-only product for a specific kind of switch used in Microsoft's datacenters? | Oct 03 06:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:36 |
| schestowitz | "Yep, and they built it on stuff that they themselves contributed in some cases." | Oct 03 06:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:36 |
| schestowitz | They contributed the Azure cloud switch to the open compute project. | Oct 03 06:36 |
| schestowitz | If it's an open project, meaning they probably submitted everything that it took to create the thing code wise, why would they implement the thing with Windows if they have no intention of publishing Windows' closed source? If they had submitted a Windows based solution to the project the circle-jerk around that would have been unbelievable. | Oct 03 06:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:36 |
| schestowitz | This was the first thing coming to my head. It was the same with Hyper-V, the same thing with media codecs for video, the same thing with common technology known as mp3 (and lack of alternatives) and it will be probably the same for any sandboxing technology (having lxc in mind) once Microsoft goes mobile with Linux. | Oct 03 06:36 |
| schestowitz | I might have lost some weird stuff out, so there are couple more cases why Microsoft sued Motorola which were so absurd they got probably deleted in my head directly after reading this docx file with 310 patent cases vs. Google last year. | Oct 03 06:36 |
| schestowitz | I mean, there's stuff in there that is entitled "System and Apparatus For Sending Complete Responses To Truncated Electronic Mail Messages On A Mobile Device". Seriously? That is patent-able? | Oct 03 06:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:37 |
| schestowitz | "They just settled with Google." | Oct 03 06:37 |
| schestowitz | "we should do a tag before microsoft forks Linux into an abomination." | Oct 03 06:37 |
| schestowitz | Now come some kill the messenger people: | Oct 03 06:38 |
| schestowitz | ... | Oct 03 06:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:38 |
| schestowitz | Hijacking top comment for visibility: | Oct 03 06:38 |
| schestowitz | Can we please not feed the trolls at techrights.org? They're the open source equivalent of Fox News. While they may occasionally write something reasonable by accident, they spew misinformation and insanity. | Oct 03 06:38 |
| schestowitz | From completely misunderstanding how the GPL works (you don't need to give the code if you don't give the resulting binary either!), to assuming that a Windows Update security breach is obviously intentional (Windows doesn't have great security, but come on! It's insanity to think they want hackers to break Windows boxes), to Windows is dying!1!one!. And that's only the articles from the last 3 weeks, this is a regular gig for them. Shock | Oct 03 06:38 |
| schestowitz | and horror headlines, misleading and inflammatory language, and misunderstanding or ignoring facts. | Oct 03 06:38 |
| schestowitz | It's clickbait for open-source enthusiasts. Please don't endorse this. | Oct 03 06:38 |
| schestowitz | With that being said, I agree that Microsoft's open source initiatives need to be treated with skepticism and restraint as they have a hell of a lot of lost trust to recover, but that's no excuse to link techrights' insane ramblings. | Oct 03 06:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:38 |
| schestowitz | "Thanks for explaining this. I stopped reading the article the moment the words "indoctrinated peons" popped up because I figured it'd be a sensationalist piece of nonsense." | Oct 03 06:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:38 |
| schestowitz | Among many other problems with the article... | Oct 03 06:38 |
| schestowitz | Remember who created and runs Intellectual Ventures. | Oct 03 06:38 |
| schestowitz | Ex-Microsoft and Intel employees. That charge Microsoft and Intel for patents. | Oct 03 06:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:38 |
| schestowitz | Detkin? | Oct 03 06:38 |
| schestowitz | "Fox News is bad, but it's not that bad. You want to see bad, go to WorldNetDaily or BreitBart. That's some seriously insane shit. These stories you reference sound more like the equivalent of WND, with stories about FEMA camps preparing for mass graves and stuff like that." | Oct 03 06:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:39 |
| schestowitz | Not saying I disagree with you, I don't (to clarify, I agree with you), but you can't really blame Microsoft for having their bottom line in mind for this move. Yes it's absolute bullshit; but if businesses don't maximize their market value what good are they? | Oct 03 06:39 |
| schestowitz | This is just a move to bring in more revenue, sell software (as you said) and so on; but you can't really say they're anti-progress, I would just say they're any other business. Money over everything. | Oct 03 06:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:39 |
| schestowitz | "Screwing over your customers shouldn't be considered "normal business"." | Oct 03 06:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:40 |
| schestowitz | That's ridiculous. All of it. | Oct 03 06:40 |
| schestowitz | If that happened, that guy is a douchebag. One reason why there is antagonism is actually because of the constant "you guys don't respect freedom" refrain from Linux "evangelists". I personally feel like for a lot of people it isn't about Linux being a superior platform it's about being Right vs people who are Wrong. These same people see MS as this oppressor that really serves as a surrogate for all of the other forces bearing down on | Oct 03 06:40 |
| schestowitz | them in their lives. | Oct 03 06:40 |
| schestowitz | Lot's of people who are just sysadmins and NOT advocates for a particular world view or political ideology get really tired of being told that they are actively making the world worse because of some tool they use at their job. | Oct 03 06:40 |
| schestowitz | It's crazy how intense things have gotten on the internet. It's weird how quickly death threats come out, for instance. Linux users do it too. LP and systemd for instance. | Oct 03 06:40 |
| schestowitz | Is Microsoft still pursuing patent bullshit? Yes. So is Google, and Apple, and Samsung, and Lenovo, and IBM, and etc etc etc... | Oct 03 06:40 |
| schestowitz | Is there a plan to subvert Linux from the inside? No. That's fucking stupid. I wish that there was a struggle like that that would allow us all to clothe ourselves in the righteous robes of a just cause but require nothing from us but our acerbic comments on a message board. There are real problems in the world and this just isn't one. | Oct 03 06:40 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:40 |
| schestowitz | "True. Wholly agree." | Oct 03 06:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:41 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft historically has been a bad actor and will logically continue to do so and giving them money or support does make the world a worse place albeit in a small and incremental way. | Oct 03 06:41 |
| schestowitz | Are you a horrible person? Of course not but you aren't doing the best you could either. | Oct 03 06:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:41 |
| schestowitz | IBM has been a bad actor... NIKE has been a bad actor... Boeing has been a bad actor... ADM has been a bad actor... GM has been a bad actor... GE has been a bad actor... EXXON has been a bad actor... SONY has been a bad actor... WELLS FARGO has been a bad actor... | Oct 03 06:41 |
| schestowitz | I'm just trying to point out that just trying to navigate your way through life in the west means that you will encounter entities that are literally designed to be amoral. Most of the entities that I just mentioned have actually been involved in violent loss of life. Does that make you culpable because you bought gas or shoes or use electricity? If so, then just using "ethical software" is not going to absolve you. See what I mean? If my | Oct 03 06:41 |
| schestowitz | using Windows makes the world a worse place, then our use of all kinds of things make us both murderers... are we both murderers? | Oct 03 06:41 |
| schestowitz | "" | Oct 03 06:41 |
| schestowitz | You can't avoid dealing with scum but you can make an effort to minimize it as much is feasible/possible. | Oct 03 06:41 |
| schestowitz | All or nothing is a false dichotomy. | Oct 03 06:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:41 |
| schestowitz | "Wish I could upvote you more than once. I really don't give a shit about OS politics. I did when I was younger, then I grew up. Use the tool that's right for the job at hand, and move on. As you said, Google, Apple, Samsung, HP, Dell, they all have patents that are dumb and they have to enforce them or they'll lose them. That's the nature of the beast. No operating system is perfect, and they all have strengths and weaknesses." | Oct 03 06:42 |
| schestowitz | "I gave a second upvote for you. Not many online communities escape the nature of being online and anonymous where people with strong opinions become tough because their face and name isn't on it. Or maybe they just like the shock they can instill similar to the headlines we see here lol" | Oct 03 06:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:43 |
| schestowitz | I've attempted to argue against Microsoft over in /r/sysadmin | Oct 03 06:43 |
| schestowitz | Why would you do that? There's no point 'arguing against' something someone has to support and use. | Oct 03 06:43 |
| schestowitz | I mean, don't get me wrong, if I can use Linux I generally will but if you're using Windows desktops you're basically obligated to use a certain amount of Microsoft infrastructure on the back end too. There's nothing more infuriating than a Linux admin saying 'You don't need AD, Samba 4 does LDAP' followed by 'oh, what's Group Policy?' | Oct 03 06:43 |
| schestowitz | EDIT: I take it you were using another account because you haven't posted much in /r/sysadmin at all on this one. | Oct 03 06:43 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:43 |
| schestowitz | "I love how you talk about Microsoft having a ton of money while Linux is a multi-BILLION dollar industry. You seem to leave that out in your misrepresented context." | Oct 03 06:43 |
| schestowitz | "I got downvoted to oblivion for the same stuff..." | Oct 03 06:43 |
| schestowitz | "" | Oct 03 06:43 |
| schestowitz | "v<obligatory "Microsoft Loves Linux" article warning>" | Oct 03 06:43 |
| schestowitz | http://i.imgur.com/TbykG0r.jpg | Oct 03 06:44 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3n5r0o/the_microsoft_loves_linux_baloney_is_still_being/?limit=500 | Oct 03 06:44 |
| schestowitz | "It's something they've done for years: embrace, extend, extinguish. Take an open standard add proprietary crap then adoption of your tool breaks the competitor in the eyes of the user. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish" | Oct 03 06:44 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.reddit.com | The ‘Microsoft Loves Linux’ Baloney is Still Being Floated in the Media While Microsoft Attacks Linux With Patents, New Lawsuits Reported : linux [ http://ur1.ca/nwll7 ] | Oct 03 06:45 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.m.wikipedia.org | Embrace, extend and extinguish - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nwlq5 ] | Oct 03 06:45 | |
| schestowitz | And this is bad... why exactly? Competitors are free to make their own extensions, and make them open of they want. If what they make is better, people will use it. If people find value in Microsoft's proprietary product and prefer to use that, why is that evil? | Oct 03 06:45 |
| schestowitz | "Maybe in the 90's...doesn't really happen anymore. You know they actually contribute code to the kernel, right? There are lot's of people at MS that want to participate in Open Source as good citizens. It's changed a lot. That being said, is it going to stop being a corporation? Probably not." | Oct 03 06:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ecis.eu/documents/Finalversion_Consumerchoicepaper.pdf http://techrights.org/2015/02/07/foss-infiltration-and-interference/ | Oct 03 06:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:45 |
| schestowitz | More like since the 80's all the way to the end of the 00's... | Oct 03 06:45 |
| schestowitz | But you may be right, EEE is no longer their thing.. They are going all into Embrace, Extend, Deceive, Abuse and Diffuse. | Oct 03 06:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:46 |
| schestowitz | "Why on earth would you trust that it won't happen again?" | Oct 03 06:46 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | The Latest Microsoft Strategy: Embrace, Extend, Deceive, Abuse and Diffuse | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nwlqg ] | Oct 03 06:46 | |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:46 |
| schestowitz | Mainly because most of the accusations during the 1990s were nonsense, and Microsoft doesn't have the market leverage they once had. Sun was a much bigger enemy of Linux than Microsoft ever was. (Source: I worked at Microsoft, Sun, and Netscape during the antitrust case.) | Oct 03 06:46 |
| schestowitz | This ship has sailed. Linux people should be a lot more concerned about Google. | Oct 03 06:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 03 06:46 |
| schestowitz | "Feel free to point out which accusations were nonsense shall I start making a list of bad behavior for you running from inception to current or would you just like to drop it now?" | Oct 03 06:46 |
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