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| __martin__ | folks | Sep 13 00:19 |
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| __martin__ | any of you seen an episode from mr. robot? | Sep 13 00:19 |
| __martin__ | apparently they are mocking free society movement | Sep 13 00:19 |
| XRevan86 | I only heard about mr. robot. | Sep 13 00:20 |
| __martin__ | series by nbcuniversal corp | Sep 13 00:20 |
| __martin__ | XRevan86: what can you tell? | Sep 13 00:20 |
| XRevan86 | __martin__: I know nearly nothing about the series, only that some GNU social folks apparently like it. | Sep 13 00:20 |
| __martin__ | well then :) | Sep 13 00:20 |
| __martin__ | the empire fears free software indefinitely | Sep 13 00:21 |
| __martin__ | take your pick https://popcorntime.io/ and watch | Sep 13 00:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-popcorntime.io | Popcorn Time - Watch movies and TV shows instantly! | Sep 13 00:21 | |
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| msb__ | A friend bought me a bottle of "honey-mustard salad dressing". The first ingredient is high-fructose corn syrup. The seventh ingredient is honey. | Sep 13 01:24 |
| msb__ | It tastes like sugar and vinegar. Barely any mustard. | Sep 13 01:25 |
| cubexyz | sounds gross | Sep 13 01:30 |
| MinceR | sounds low-quality | Sep 13 01:32 |
| msb__ | Sure is! Both. | Sep 13 01:33 |
| msb__ | Some kinds of HFCS even contain mercury, from some electrolytic process, at least in the past. | Sep 13 01:33 |
| msb__ | For the honey, they probably had a bee sneeze on the tank-car. | Sep 13 01:35 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 13 01:36 |
| cubexyz | well you could try buying mustard, vingegar and sugar and mixing it together :) | Sep 13 02:05 |
| cubexyz | or even just mustard | Sep 13 02:05 |
| cubexyz | I think everything changed in the late 1970s | Sep 13 02:10 |
| cubexyz | sugar became more expensive and HFCS replaced sugar in processed foods | Sep 13 02:10 |
| msb__ | There's an organic food store around here that delivers. I'll see what they have. There was a packet of honey-mustard in a package of smoked salmon that was absolutely wonderful. | Sep 13 02:16 |
| cubexyz | I stopped buying cookies, candy bars, crackers etc | Sep 13 02:20 |
| cubexyz | too much sugar/too much salt | Sep 13 02:20 |
| msb__ | I get these "Endangered Species" chocolate bars. My current favorite is cherry, with a puffin on it. It's for medical purposes. Chocolate is antiinflammatory, and I'm terribly inflamed. 8^) | Sep 13 02:26 |
| msb__ | Chocolate chip cookies are like heroin to me. The whole box/bag goes in a day or less. I can't buy them. | Sep 13 02:29 |
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| MinceR | i'm pretty sure almost all food is organic :> | Sep 13 03:17 |
| MinceR | except for the water and the salt | Sep 13 03:18 |
| msb__ | Two different meanings of the word. In chemistry, "organic" means made of CHONSP. In nutrition, "organic" means congenial to living things. For example glyphosate, the herbicide in much GMO "food", is chemically organic, but food containing it is not nutritionally organic, because it's toxic to mammals. | Sep 13 03:33 |
| MinceR | i had the impression that "organic" simply means "contains carbon" | Sep 13 03:37 |
| msb__ | That's the simplified chemical definition. The nutritional one is quite different. | Sep 13 03:38 |
| msb__ | Of course, nutritionally organic food must be chemically organic, and it also may contain various minerals, but not Hg, Al, F, As... | Sep 13 03:40 |
| msb__ | Nutritionally necessary minerals for people include Na, K, Mg, Ca, Cr, Mn, Cu, B, Se... | Sep 13 03:45 |
| msb__ | Actually, "nutritionally organic" generally means congenial to vertebrates, especially humans. For example ammonia is pumped into some farm soil to serve as fertilizer for plants, but it's irritating to people and highly toxic to fish and amphibians. | Sep 13 03:54 |
| MinceR | apparently even arsenic is essential to some animals: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenic#Essential_trace_element_in_higher_animals | Sep 13 03:56 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/642983543921078272 | Sep 13 09:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz ... but still cooperates with #Microsoft ((( | Sep 13 09:58 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I am going to be away for two weeks, I think you have ops in case some trolls show up and vandlaise the channels | Sep 13 11:20 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MIIS_Cyber/status/643009123945058305 https://twitter.com/encycl/status/643009173689532416 | Sep 13 11:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MIIS_Cyber: @schestowitz @_PaulH93 flea market netbook + tails seems a better move | Sep 13 11:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@encycl: @schestowitz That's never been tested, but DHS et al assert the border exception extends 100 mi in from the border. | Sep 13 11:33 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/643009387716481025 | Sep 13 11:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: Thus…the #UnitedKingdom's #monarchy is as #evil as the #USA Empire #plutocracy? Both pretending to be 'democracies': https://t.co/ldvvn6ejYP | Sep 13 11:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: I am going to be away for two weeks, but cannot take my laptop anymore. Airport authorities can now DEMAND decryption keys at the border. | Sep 13 11:34 | |
| schestowitz | I think the precedent was in Canada | Sep 13 11:34 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BrettGarrot/status/643009599096922112 | Sep 13 11:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrettGarrot: Thus…the #UnitedKingdom's #monarchy is as #evil as the #USA Empire #plutocracy? Both pretending to be 'democracies… https://t.co/lj0mtCaniJ | Sep 13 11:34 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/643013196601815040 | Sep 13 11:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SeaH2ONymph: #JamesClapper, director of national intelligence, talks nearly every day with head of #CENTCOM’s intel #StevenGrove https://t.co/1lYth0p8nQ | Sep 13 11:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Who 'runs' the country? Generals and other spooky personnel or elected officials? One wonders: https://t.co/YaDPRXwO9Y | Sep 13 11:52 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/643013313161367552 https://twitter.com/BrettGarrot/status/643013431797391360 | Sep 13 11:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: .@pmharper clings to power: #GetOutOfCanadaLyntonCrosby @AshCallingbull has called for 1st Nations to 'vote'him out https://t.co/K98fda63CM | Sep 13 11:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrettGarrot: Thus…the #UnitedKingdom's #monarchy is as #evil as the #USA Empire #plutocracy? Both pretending to be 'democracies… https://t.co/lj0mtCaniJ | Sep 13 11:52 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/encycl/status/643017413475176449 | Sep 13 12:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@encycl: @schestowitz David S Cohen is Deputy Director. | Sep 13 12:05 | |
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| schestowitz | [12:54] <schestowitz> https://twitter.com/glynco/status/643027795870920708 | Sep 13 12:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynco: @schestowitz @Harrisonxjacobs agree...just as those disseminating false reports about al-Qa'ida and the CIA torture program should have. | Sep 13 12:54 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/643027344517677056 | Sep 13 12:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Airport authorities have managed to take all joy away from the miracle of flight. Way to go. | Sep 13 12:54 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FilmCriticOne/status/643028472424742913 | Sep 13 12:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FilmCriticOne: @schestowitz CIA should have been disbanded when is was OSS. They have caused more wars than the Bush family. | Sep 13 12:55 | |
| MinceR | schestowitz: ok | Sep 13 13:19 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynco/status/643035601244192768 | Sep 13 13:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynco: @schestowitz @Harrisonxjacobs part of an orchestrated CIA coms strategy that continues today w the ghost writing of books & Rebuttal | Sep 13 13:22 | |
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| schestowitz | They call it "information war", or "psychological warfare", helping to reinforce semi-truths or fiction, creating uncertainty a la climate change | Sep 13 13:22 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynco/status/643037565914869761 | Sep 13 13:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynco: @schestowitz @Harrisonxjacobs also known as perception management | Sep 13 13:25 | |
| schestowitz | In the PR industry, yes.... I wrote a lot about it in the context of the software industry | Sep 13 13:25 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynco/status/643037565914869761 | Sep 13 13:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian Installer Stretch Alpha 3 Released | Tux Machines | Sep 13 15:40 | |
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| msb__ | New documentary, packed full of detailed information: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqqelDq4P48 | Sep 13 17:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | 9/11: Decade of Deception (Full Film NEW 2015) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nruac ] | Sep 13 17:46 | |
| MinceR | https://startpage.com/do/metasearch.pl?q=germany%20suspends%20schengen | Sep 13 17:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-startpage.com | germany suspends schengen - Startpage Web Search [ http://ur1.ca/nrucr ] | Sep 13 17:54 | |
| MinceR | the end of the EU? | Sep 13 17:55 |
| msb__ | It's certainly becoming less unified! And of course its the US destruction of many nations in the Middle East and Africa that have caused all those refugees to flee for their lives. | Sep 13 17:56 |
| MinceR | there's more to it than that | Sep 13 17:57 |
| MinceR | the greek crisis, the hungarian dictatorship | Sep 13 17:57 |
| MinceR | fundie takeover by the EPP | Sep 13 17:57 |
| msb__ | EPP? | Sep 13 17:57 |
| MinceR | European People's Party | Sep 13 17:57 |
| MinceR | corruption resulting in EU institutions upholding foreign megacorporate interests instead of member state/citizen interests | Sep 13 17:58 |
| msb__ | But those problems aren't what the refugees are fleeing from. However, I see that corporate corruption will certainly help the EU to disintegrate, as it does to everything else. | Sep 13 17:59 |
| msb__ | Interesting. European People's Party is conservative (corporatist), but the term People's Party is generally used to denote socialists. So it's deceptive. Like "National Socialists" (Nazis). | Sep 13 18:02 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: Not the only ones. | Sep 13 18:02 |
| msb__ | In some ways, the entire world situation is degenerating. Things are falling apart. And it's all due to the "War on Terror", in which the terrorists -- Mujahideen, Al-Qaeda, ISIL -- are organized and armed by the US, Saudi Arabia, and Israel. And the justification for the war was and is 9/11. And who did 9/11? Watch that video 9/11: Decade of Deception. | Sep 13 18:06 |
| msb__ | Organized ultra-wealthy and ultra-powerful psychopaths are slowly destroying the world. Our only defense is broadcasting the truth, to as many people as possible, using the Internet and Linux. | Sep 13 18:08 |
| MinceR | handling the refugees is just yet another problem | Sep 13 18:09 |
| MinceR | also, in europe, it seems to be common to use "people's party" to refer to christian fundie nazi parties | Sep 13 18:09 |
| MinceR | like kdnp in hungary | Sep 13 18:10 |
| XRevan86 | People's Front for Russia | Sep 13 18:10 |
| msb__ | There is one great advantage that truth has over lies, not matter how many times the lies are repeated: Truth is logically consistent, and is upheld by critical thinking. Lies are not. | Sep 13 18:10 |
| XRevan86 | * All-Russia People's Front | Sep 13 18:10 |
| MinceR | as for the war on terror, that's explainable with incompetence rather than malice | Sep 13 18:10 |
| MinceR | usian attempts to establish democracy in places where the people, the culture are not ready for it | Sep 13 18:11 |
| MinceR | (similarly to hungary) | Sep 13 18:11 |
| msb__ | But the US did not actually do anything to establish democracy in those nations. It attacked them, bombed them, and wrecked them. That results in such fear and chaos that democracy is impossible. | Sep 13 18:12 |
| MinceR | at least in some places they ensured that elections took place, afaik | Sep 13 18:13 |
| MinceR | but it obviously didn't work out in many (if not all) cases | Sep 13 18:13 |
| msb__ | Maybe. But if people are injured, and their friends and relatives are dead, and they can barely find enough food to survive, they aren't going to be able to do the research to find out whom they should vote for to achieve the best results. | Sep 13 18:14 |
| MinceR | they probably don't even know they should | Sep 13 18:16 |
| msb__ | All they know is grief and trying to survive. And being attacked by the warlords that have taken over after the US wrecked their nation. | Sep 13 18:17 |
| msb__ | Is the motivation greed? Oil profits? Weapons profits? The destruction of all nations in the Middle East as desired by the Zionists of Israel? Extension of US power? The psychopathic desire to hurt and kill people? Perhaps all of those. | Sep 13 18:20 |
| MinceR | it could be benign, see above | Sep 13 18:21 |
| msb__ | The US psychopaths have been doing these same things all throughout the 20th century, and now this one. The results have always been bad for the people attacked, and good for the ultra-wealthy. It's been done nearly 100 times, always with the same result. To think that the intentions were good, but it just _accidently_ killed tens of millions of people and wrecked dozens of nations, is not a logically tenable idea. How many times | Sep 13 18:26 |
| msb__ | do you have to be punched in the face before you decide that that person wants to hurt you? | Sep 13 18:26 |
| MinceR | that's not a good analogy | Sep 13 18:27 |
| msb__ | Then forget the analogy. In every case, the ultra-wealthy killed the leaders that were helping the people, and installed leaders that controlled the people so that the ultra-wealthy could go in there and take the natural resources and use the controlled population as slave labor. That's what they did EVERY TIME. It was no accident any time. | Sep 13 18:30 |
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| MinceR | afaik they killed or deposed tyrants | Sep 13 18:35 |
| MinceR | hoping to replace them with a democratic government | Sep 13 18:35 |
| msb__ | That's what they _said_ they did. That's what the CIA told all the corporate media to say they did. But they and the CIA and the corporate media were all LYING. | Sep 13 18:38 |
| MinceR | you're assuming that only they lie | Sep 13 18:38 |
| msb__ | No, I'm accessing facts that _prove_ they are lying. | Sep 13 18:39 |
| msb__ | Do you have a copy of _Killing Hope_ by William Blum? | Sep 13 18:40 |
| MinceR | no | Sep 13 18:40 |
| msb__ | Well, here's his website and several others: http://cosmicpenguin.com/#American_Holocaust | Sep 13 18:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone [ http://ur1.ca/g23vd ] | Sep 13 18:43 | |
| msb__ | But I misread what you said. Yes, I know that others lied too -- Orban, Stalin... | Sep 13 18:45 |
| MinceR | your sources may have lied too | Sep 13 18:45 |
| msb__ | That's where critical thinking comes in. Get information from many different sources, and see which is logically consistent and which is not. | Sep 13 18:46 |
| MinceR | in cases like this, there's plenty of motivation for various parties to lie | Sep 13 18:46 |
| MinceR | how does one find out who's lying and who (if anyone) is telling the truth? | Sep 13 18:46 |
| msb__ | That's where critical thinking comes in. Get information from many different sources, and see which is logically consistent and which is not. | Sep 13 18:46 |
| MinceR | having different sources say the same thing is not enough | Sep 13 18:47 |
| MinceR | if it was, we'd all believe corporate media. | Sep 13 18:47 |
| msb__ | Correct. _You_ have to employ logical reasoning, like the Law of Non-Contradiction, to the information yourself. and you have to be prepared to change your mind about things if your logical pursuits prove that some things you currently believe are false. | Sep 13 18:48 |
| msb__ | That is critical thinking. NOT "What you tell me three times is true", which is part of the Bernays method of brainwashing. | Sep 13 18:50 |
| MinceR | sure, but if two groups of sources contradict each other, that won't tell you which group (if any) is telling the truth | Sep 13 18:51 |
| msb__ | That's not the contradiction to look for. You want to look for contradictions _within_ the information given by each group. For example, if the US govt group always says it's trying to help people, but always ends up hurting people, that's a big fat contradiction. | Sep 13 18:57 |
| MinceR | i've seen plenty of series of failed attempts from others too | Sep 13 18:59 |
| MinceR | but yes, if most/all sources in a group are internally inconsistent, that helps find out what's up | Sep 13 19:00 |
| msb__ | Yes. The US and Stalin and Orban are _all_ evil. | Sep 13 19:01 |
| MinceR | and so's putin | Sep 13 19:02 |
| MinceR | it wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that all human groups are evil | Sep 13 19:03 |
| msb__ | I know. That's because your idea of human nature is erroneous. I keep suggesting that you watch the Korten video and read The Chalice and the Blade to give you a much more accurate idea of human nature. | Sep 13 19:05 |
| msb__ | Humans are inherently good, but easily programmable, by trauma or lying propaganda, to be evil. | Sep 13 19:07 |
| msb__ | That's the truth that I've learned over my 70 years, from many different sources who never even heard of one another. And it's consistent with observed events. | Sep 13 19:08 |
| schestowitz | you stipulate humans are not evil | Sep 13 19:08 |
| schestowitz | but whose standards? | Sep 13 19:08 |
| schestowitz | you could say that about all animals | Sep 13 19:08 |
| schestowitz | are sharks "evil"? | Sep 13 19:08 |
| schestowitz | the notion of good or evil or relative | Sep 13 19:09 |
| schestowitz | some people eat cockroaches, some think that eating beef is killed sacred animal | Sep 13 19:09 |
| schestowitz | cannibalism is even essential to some species | Sep 13 19:10 |
| schestowitz | [18:08] <msb__> Organized ultra-wealthy and ultra-powerful psychopaths are slowly destroying the world. Our only defense is broadcasting the truth, to as many people as possible, using the Internet and Linux. | Sep 13 19:10 |
| schestowitz | I'm all for it | Sep 13 19:10 |
| schestowitz | but you don't broadcase the truth | Sep 13 19:11 |
| schestowitz | you broadcast what you deem suitable for a narrative wherein the US is the moral equivalent of Nazis Germany | Sep 13 19:11 |
| msb__ | First of all, the idea of "evil" is only meaningful in regard to humans, and others with thinking minds, possibly bonobos. | Sep 13 19:11 |
| schestowitz | and Russia is some kind of benign power | Sep 13 19:11 |
| schestowitz | despite all that was done before Hitler even rose to power | Sep 13 19:11 |
| schestowitz | I am a lot more afraid of Russia than I am of the US | Sep 13 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Even if I was Arab I think it would be the case | Sep 13 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Watch how Russia treats its Muslim citizens and neighbours | Sep 13 19:12 |
| schestowitz | they're evil, they express themselves differently and has different propaganda and public enchantment dissemination tactics | Sep 13 19:13 |
| msb__ | And yet the US has wrecked at least 5 nations since 2001, and Russia has not wrecked any. | Sep 13 19:13 |
| schestowitz | I think that some ancestors from my grandma's site escaped Russia a long time ago, maybe hundreds of years, and people STILL escape Russia if they can | Sep 13 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Russia didn't wreck nations? | Sep 13 19:14 |
| MinceR | recently russia has wrecked georgia and ukraine, possibly also belarus | Sep 13 19:14 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: tell him | Sep 13 19:14 |
| msb__ | The US has murdered more than two million people since 2001. | Sep 13 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Bulgaria, Hungary, the whole eastern bloc | Sep 13 19:14 |
| MinceR | they have sights on the baltic countries | Sep 13 19:14 |
| schestowitz | they turned to s*** | Sep 13 19:14 |
| MinceR | before 1990, russia wrecked the entire eastern bloc | Sep 13 19:14 |
| schestowitz | So that Moscow can relish in power and fame | Sep 13 19:14 |
| MinceR | currently putin is supporting hungarian nazis, including jobbik | Sep 13 19:15 |
| msb__ | Russia annexed a small part of Ukraine that requested it. It did not wreck Ukraine. | Sep 13 19:15 |
| MinceR | bela kovacs was one of their agents | Sep 13 19:15 |
| schestowitz | jobbik won't possible play ball with the US, maybe not even NATO | Sep 13 19:15 |
| MinceR | no, that part did not request to be annexed | Sep 13 19:15 |
| schestowitz | maybe can secede from EU | Sep 13 19:15 |
| schestowitz | based on what the Greek Nazis want to do | Sep 13 19:15 |
| msb__ | Yes Russia was evil 50 years ago. It is not acting that way now. | Sep 13 19:16 |
| MinceR | a fake referendum acted out with no credibility attempted to make it seem like they requested it | Sep 13 19:16 |
| MinceR | actually, the behavior of russia changed little since 1980 | Sep 13 19:16 |
| schestowitz | [19:15] <msb__> Russia annexed a small part of Ukraine that requested it. It did not wreck Ukraine. | Sep 13 19:16 |
| schestowitz | It did further up north | Sep 13 19:16 |
| schestowitz | complete chaos there | Sep 13 19:16 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 13 19:16 |
| schestowitz | and it wants to guard its borders | Sep 13 19:16 |
| MinceR | eastern ukraine is a wreck | Sep 13 19:16 |
| MinceR | and i doubt western ukraine is doing much better | Sep 13 19:16 |
| schestowitz | because it cannot tolerate much EU at its doorstep | Sep 13 19:16 |
| MinceR | if anything, russia's behavior is even worse now | Sep 13 19:17 |
| schestowitz | they're connected, and tourism will suffer | Sep 13 19:17 |
| MinceR | as the ussr only used nukes to ensure they don't get nuked themselves | Sep 13 19:17 |
| schestowitz | Ukraine lost a nice airport | Sep 13 19:17 |
| MinceR | while putin is saber-rattling them | Sep 13 19:17 |
| MinceR | and reducing the standards for using them | Sep 13 19:17 |
| msb__ | The people further up north begged Putin to annex their territory also, but he refused. 700,000 refugees have fled from Ukraine to Russia since the US-Nazi regime took over. | Sep 13 19:17 |
| schestowitz | they were not ay mortal danger | Sep 13 19:17 |
| schestowitz | maybe economic refugees (Crimea) | Sep 13 19:18 |
| msb__ | The two of you are double-teaming me, and so rapidly that I can't respond. | Sep 13 19:18 |
| schestowitz | what put them at mortal danger was Russian invaders with snipers included | Sep 13 19:18 |
| MinceR | all this was discussed before | Sep 13 19:18 |
| schestowitz | It's a Turf War | Sep 13 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Same in Syria | Sep 13 19:18 |
| msb__ | Roy, there's a question I've been wanting to ask you. Have you worked in facial-recognition software? | Sep 13 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Syria, IIRC, might even share some border with RS at the north east | Sep 13 19:19 |
| schestowitz | didn't check | Sep 13 19:19 |
| schestowitz | oh, wait | Sep 13 19:19 |
| schestowitz | georgia | Sep 13 19:19 |
| schestowitz | and also armenia would be there | Sep 13 19:19 |
| schestowitz | among other neighbours of turkey | Sep 13 19:19 |
| schestowitz | msb__: no, face verification | Sep 13 19:20 |
| msb__ | What's the difference? | Sep 13 19:20 |
| schestowitz | like airport stuff where you need to check a person is who s/he claims to be | Sep 13 19:20 |
| schestowitz | it's a one-to-one matching problem | Sep 13 19:20 |
| schestowitz | very essential to avoid identity third | Sep 13 19:20 |
| msb__ | Does the government use the results of your work? | Sep 13 19:20 |
| schestowitz | *theft | Sep 13 19:20 |
| schestowitz | like a person flying under the identity of another person's passport | Sep 13 19:21 |
| schestowitz | No, but the EPC funded it | Sep 13 19:21 |
| msb__ | EPC? | Sep 13 19:21 |
| schestowitz | you need to see what Texas Uni and NIST/DARPA do | Sep 13 19:21 |
| msb__ | EPC? | Sep 13 19:22 |
| schestowitz | they take this into the military type domain | Sep 13 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Sep 13 19:22 |
| msb__ | What is EPC? | Sep 13 19:22 |
| schestowitz | ERC sorry | Sep 13 19:22 |
| schestowitz | !google ERC research | Sep 13 19:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - ERC: European Research Council | http://erc.europa.eu/ | Sep 13 19:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Funding and Grants | ERC: European Research Council | http://erc.europa.eu/funding-and-grants | Sep 13 19:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - European Research Council - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Research_Council | Sep 13 19:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Engineering Research Centers | NSF - National Science Foundation | http://www.nsf.gov/funding/pgm_summ.jsp%3Fpims_id%3D5502 | Sep 13 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Watch what they fund | Sep 13 19:24 |
| msb__ | So if a whistleblower like Snowden or Assange was trying to escape persecution/prosecution by travellling undercover, such software would prevent it. | Sep 13 19:24 |
| schestowitz | I was previously funded by EPSRC | Sep 13 19:25 |
| schestowitz | for medical things | Sep 13 19:25 |
| MinceR | only if they used a fake passport with the wrong photo or something like that | Sep 13 19:25 |
| MinceR | notice that it's one-to-one | Sep 13 19:25 |
| schestowitz | what do you mean by "travellling undercover", using another person's passport? | Sep 13 19:25 |
| MinceR | something like that | Sep 13 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Someone who looks similar? | Sep 13 19:25 |
| schestowitz | !google chengen airport wikileaks | Sep 13 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - CIA Travel Advice To Operatives - WikiLeaks | https://wikileaks.org/cia-travel/ | Sep 13 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - CIA Travel Advice to Operatives - Press Release - WikiLeaks | https://wikileaks.org/cia-travel/press-release.html | Sep 13 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - CIA Assessment on Surviving Secondary Screening ... - WikiLeaks | https://wikileaks.org/cia-travel/secondary-screening/page-1.html | Sep 13 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - CIA Assessment on Surviving Secondary Screening at ... - WikiLeaks | https://wikileaks.org/cia-travel/secondary-screening/WikiLeaks_CIA_Assessment_on_Surviving_Secondary_Screening.pdf | Sep 13 19:25 |
| MinceR | oh, msb__ might have meant something different | Sep 13 19:25 |
| schestowitz | I wouldn't accept working on surveillance things | Sep 13 19:26 |
| schestowitz | it's unethical | Sep 13 19:26 |
| schestowitz | There are many computer vision applications | Sep 13 19:27 |
| msb__ | It could catch both terrorists and heroes. | Sep 13 19:27 |
| schestowitz | for biology | Sep 13 19:27 |
| schestowitz | biometrics versus medical scans | Sep 13 19:27 |
| schestowitz | one potentially evil | Sep 13 19:27 |
| schestowitz | the other saving lifes | Sep 13 19:27 |
| schestowitz | in the case of cars, collision prevention vs faceplate scanners | Sep 13 19:28 |
| schestowitz | so it's unwise to lump it all together | Sep 13 19:28 |
| schestowitz | some machine vision staff is used in factories | Sep 13 19:28 |
| schestowitz | not to spy on workers like in Amazon | Sep 13 19:28 |
| schestowitz | but to inspect the manufactured items, like foods... reject defects | Sep 13 19:28 |
| msb__ | OK, I guess you're off the hook. | Sep 13 19:29 |
| schestowitz | LOL "off the hook" | Sep 13 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Thank you, Mister brennan | Sep 13 19:31 |
| msb__ | Brennan? | Sep 13 19:32 |
| schestowitz | John | Sep 13 19:32 |
| schestowitz | The one unethical thing about those things is that they reduce the number of physical jobs | Sep 13 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Which can be spun as a negative thing by Luddites, or if the machines do a poor job at it | Sep 13 19:32 |
| schestowitz | sometimes they just complement a human and make detection of atrophies/defects more precise | Sep 13 19:33 |
| schestowitz | But it yields higher output, lowers prices, and make products more reliable (per cost or in general) | Sep 13 19:33 |
| msb__ | Technology in general is reducing the number of jobs, and capitalism can't deal with it. | Sep 13 19:34 |
| msb__ | What should be benefitting mankind is causing poverty and austerity. | Sep 13 19:34 |
| schestowitz | [19:29] <msb__> OK, I guess you're off the hook. | Sep 13 19:34 |
| schestowitz | It just implied, shallowly, that you attempted character assassination but failed | Sep 13 19:34 |
| msb__ | No, I asked, I did not assert. | Sep 13 19:35 |
| msb__ | I still don't know who John Brennan is. There are too many of them. | Sep 13 19:35 |
| schestowitz | So you complain a lot about the CIA | Sep 13 19:36 |
| schestowitz | But you don't know who has been heading it for years | Sep 13 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Despite him being in the headline every hour of the day, due to drones, torture, WoT, etc. | Sep 13 19:37 |
| schestowitz | There is also another Brennan in the white house (no relation) | Sep 13 19:37 |
| schestowitz | There's the Brennan Institute | Sep 13 19:37 |
| schestowitz | !google Brennan Institute hawk | Sep 13 19:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Brennan Center for Justice | http://www.brennancenter.org/ | Sep 13 19:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Employment | Brennan Center for Justice | https://www.brennancenter.org/employment | Sep 13 19:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - school-bio_stjs-the-hawk - Saint Joseph's University - Official ... | http://www.sjuhawks.com/ViewArticle.dbml%3FATCLID%3D208883426 | Sep 13 19:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - This Is Change? 20 Hawks, Clintonites and Neocons to Watch for in ... | http://www.alternet.org/story/107666/this_is_change_20_hawks,_clintonites_and_neocons_to_watch_for_in_obama%27s_white_house | Sep 13 19:37 |
| schestowitz | also no relation | Sep 13 19:37 |
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| msb__ | Do you think the CIA does good? Saying that I "complain" about it seems to imply that. | Sep 13 19:38 |
| msb__ | Wow! Roy said that the 700,000 refugees fled from Ukraine to Russia because they were in danger from Russian invaders of Ukraine. Does anyone see a logical contradiction there? | Sep 13 19:49 |
| msb__ | Would one flee _into_ the country that was the source of danger one was fleeing from? | Sep 13 19:50 |
| msb__ | But, our Fearless Leader is gone now. Have the two weeks begun? Are you now in charge, MinceR? | Sep 13 19:52 |
| msb__ | Our fear that communism might someday take over most of the world blinds us to the fact that anti-communism already has. -- Michael Parenti | Sep 13 19:58 |
| msb__ | From the second edition of Killing Hope. | Sep 13 19:58 |
| msb__ | wowie! Killing Hope can be downloaded from here: https://pdf.yt/d/y_8iHigC3Ms5TngF Download link is on the right. | Sep 13 20:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pdf.yt | View BLUM killing hope.pdf - PDFy - Instant PDF Host | Sep 13 20:12 | |
| msb__ | But the one in the naughty place has a live table of contents. | Sep 13 20:14 |
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| cubexyz | msb__, have you seen the video that casts doubt that a plane hit the pentagon? | Sep 14 10:11 |
| cubexyz | says there's no plane parts visible | Sep 14 10:11 |
| cubexyz | strange stuff | Sep 14 10:11 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: There are various videos like that. They're part of a concerted disinfo effort. | Sep 14 10:13 |
| msb__ | http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/disinfo.html | Sep 14 10:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | The No-WTC-Planes/Video-Fakery/Energy-Beams Disinformation Gang [ http://ur1.ca/gnxmb ] | Sep 14 10:14 | |
| cubexyz | ok someone sent me a URL of the media saying there were no plane parts found | Sep 14 10:15 |
| cubexyz | then I saw this: | Sep 14 10:15 |
| cubexyz | https://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/2010/09/23/how-we-know-an-airliner-did-not-hit-the-pentagon/ | Sep 14 10:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthandshadows.wordpress.com | How we KNOW an airliner did NOT hit the Pentagon | Truth and Shadows [ http://ur1.ca/ns29v ] | Sep 14 10:15 | |
| msb__ | It shows every sign of being government-based, to make the 911 research seem ridiculous. | Sep 14 10:15 |
| msb__ | Oh, sorry, I was thinking of the WTC. The Pentagon is a different story, because there are no good videos showing the plane hitting. | Sep 14 10:17 |
| cubexyz | does this look like a plane hit the pentagon: | Sep 14 10:18 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/pentagon-9-11.jpg | Sep 14 10:19 |
| cubexyz | shouldn't there be more debris? | Sep 14 10:19 |
| msb__ | Probably. But that's after the fire, it's hard to tell. | Sep 14 10:21 |
| msb__ | The pentagon was certainly hit by something, but it may have been a missile. | Sep 14 10:21 |
| msb__ | The round exit hole in the inner wall of the outer ring looks like it was made by a ring of det-cord. | Sep 14 10:22 |
| msb__ | Airliner seats are very tough, and someone who went into the pentagon very soon after the event found no seats. | Sep 14 10:23 |
| cubexyz | that's just weird | Sep 14 10:23 |
| msb__ | There was a 757 flying toward the Pentagon, but it could have flown over and landed at a nearby airport, or out and crashed into the sea. | Sep 14 10:24 |
| cubexyz | there should be pictures of lots of airplane chunks all over the place | Sep 14 10:24 |
| msb__ | I've always agreed with that, but recently a researcher contacted me with an article that he says proved a plane hit it. I'll see if I can find it. | Sep 14 10:26 |
| cubexyz | 2001, I think digital cameras were common enough | Sep 14 10:26 |
| msb__ | Yes, but unless someone thought to use them... | Sep 14 10:26 |
| msb__ | There were only one or two videos of the first WTC tower getting hit, and they were taken by accident. | Sep 14 10:27 |
| cubexyz | it seems impossible there would be no pictures at all of plane debris | Sep 14 10:27 |
| msb__ | There were about 40 of the second tower being hit. | Sep 14 10:27 |
| msb__ | The lack of debris is a big problem. | Sep 14 10:28 |
| msb__ | Also, I think I have a picture of vertical columns that were blown outward. I'll see if I can find it. | Sep 14 10:29 |
| msb__ | http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/pentagon/images/no_engine_hit_between__16and17.jpg | Sep 14 10:33 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/9-11-cnn.mkv | Sep 14 10:34 |
| msb__ | Underneath the label "breached limestone" there are what look like two vertical columns hanging from their tops, and blown outward. | Sep 14 10:35 |
| cubexyz | what is the significance of that? | Sep 14 10:36 |
| msb__ | Of what, your video or my picture? | Sep 14 10:38 |
| msb__ | hello? | Sep 14 10:39 |
| cubexyz | the two vertical columns | Sep 14 10:39 |
| cubexyz | the jpeg | Sep 14 10:39 |
| msb__ | I think it shows that there was an explosion inside the building. | Sep 14 10:40 |
| msb__ | And regarding the lack of debris, while airliners have a thin aluminum-allow skin that may disintegrate into small bits, they also have very strong alloy or steel structural members that should survive a crash and be visible. | Sep 14 10:41 |
| msb__ | allow->alloy | Sep 14 10:41 |
| msb__ | IIRC these are at least an inch thick. | Sep 14 10:42 |
| msb__ | Both the wings and the fuselage have them. | Sep 14 10:42 |
| msb__ | OK, here's the website the other researcher told me about. I haven't looked at the articles yet. | Sep 14 10:45 |
| msb__ | As to witnesses, some say they saw the 757 hit and they saw its windows. I think at 500mph that if they were close enough to see the small windows, the angular velocity of the image would have been too great to see the small windows. And if they were far enough away that the angular velocity across their field of vision was not that great, the windows would have been too far away to see. | Sep 14 11:02 |
| msb__ | There's a photo on page 6 of this article showing columns bent to the left by something travelling from right to left. | Sep 14 11:06 |
| msb__ | A theory that would account for those columns and the bent-outward ones in my picture would be a missile with an explosive warhead that detonated maybe 20 feet inside the building. | Sep 14 11:08 |
| msb__ | I read the first and last articles on that page, and their arguments for a 757 seem mostly inferential and involving room for doubt. | Sep 14 11:10 |
| msb__ | So basically my position is screw the Pentagon, the evidence of explosive demolition of WTC1,2 and 7 is irrefutable, and proves that the US govt did it, because nobody else had sufficient access to those buildings. | Sep 14 11:12 |
| msb__ | still there? | Sep 14 11:12 |
| cubexyz | yes, just had to take out the recycling | Sep 14 11:13 |
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| msb__ | http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2006/flight77-1.mpg That video, supposedly from a pentagon surveillance camera, shows a white cylindrical object approaching the building at the right edge of the screen around 87 seconds in. I thought to compare its height with the height of the building, but it's hard to tell how far it is from the camera. | Sep 14 11:32 |
| msb__ | OK, play that video with mplayer from 87.1 seconds, when the thing appears to 88.0 seconds, when a very bright white fireball appears. With contrast and brightness turned down, the fireball appears at a place on the building where it is about .75inch high. | Sep 14 12:00 |
| msb__ | The object is 0.1inch high. The P is 77ft high, and a 757about 12 ft high. So the object height is approximately equal to the height of a 757, 1/7th the height of the building. | Sep 14 12:02 |
| msb__ | still there? | Sep 14 12:02 |
| MinceR | https://twitter.com/50NerdsofGrey/status/640985632941064192 | Sep 14 12:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@50NerdsofGrey: 'I've been a very bad girl,' she said, biting her lip. 'I need to be punished.' 'Very well,' he said and installed Windows 10 on her laptop. | Sep 14 12:05 | |
| cubexyz | you know what windows error message I really hated? | Sep 14 12:09 |
| cubexyz | IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL | Sep 14 12:09 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Every single one? | Sep 14 12:10 |
| cubexyz | ha | Sep 14 12:10 |
| cubexyz | I don't run personally but I still have to deal with customers that do | Sep 14 12:10 |
| msb__ | I thought it would be "Windows installed successfully" | Sep 14 12:10 |
| cubexyz | I'm a true Unix man :) | Sep 14 12:11 |
| cubexyz | but you know, customers... | Sep 14 12:11 |
| cubexyz | windows is still the same old crap | Sep 14 12:12 |
| cubexyz | BSODs and all that | Sep 14 12:12 |
| cubexyz | Xenix didn't BSOD | Sep 14 12:14 |
| cubexyz | you would think more people would welcome Linux/BSD for that reason | Sep 14 12:15 |
| cubexyz | at least some of my customers use chromebooks now | Sep 14 12:15 |
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| msb__ | cubexyz: Hello? | Sep 14 17:05 |
| MinceR | http://shevegen.square7.ch/screenshot.png | Sep 14 17:05 |
| MinceR | oops | Sep 14 17:05 |
| MinceR | http://existentialcomics.com/comic/98 | Sep 14 17:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-existentialcomics.com | Harry Potter and the set of all sets that do not contain themselves - Existential Comics | Sep 14 17:05 | |
| MinceR | this is the one i meant to paste | Sep 14 17:05 |
| msb__ | Oh help! My mind is trying to figure out the Russell Paradox and it's using all my compute power! | Sep 14 17:12 |
| msb__ | gngngngngn | Sep 14 17:12 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 14 17:13 |
| msb__ | Fortunately I have a beard and don't have to shave myself! | Sep 14 17:13 |
| msb__ | There's another weird thing in set theory -- the Axiom of Choice: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiom_of_choice | Sep 14 17:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Axiom of choice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/ns5ue ] | Sep 14 17:19 | |
| msb__ | ...which is equivalent to various other assertions, but can't be proven. | Sep 14 17:20 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 14 17:20 |
| msb__ | It can make you emulate that John Cleese character in Monty Python by tying a handkerchief around your head and saying, "My brain hurts!" | Sep 14 17:21 |
| MinceR | it'll have to come out! | Sep 14 17:22 |
| MinceR | all the bits of it. | Sep 14 17:22 |
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| msb__ | In other news, cubexyz, you asked about what hit the Pentagon, and I researched a bunch of stuff and actually committed photogrammetry for you (which is considered a mortal sin in some countries) on a video, which, with a very uncertain assumption seems to indicate that what hit was of a diameter that matched a 757, but there was a high-explosive detonation at the moment it hit (the hydrocarbon fire came a moment later), which is | Sep 14 17:26 |
| msb__ | certainly not characteristic of 757s. | Sep 14 17:26 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Wow, I don't remember that episode. But here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M68GeL8PafE | Sep 14 17:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Monty Python - Gumby Brain Specialist - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/ns60p ] | Sep 14 17:36 | |
| msb__ | Youtube is so slow for me these days that I have to download any video to watch it. Otherwise the video freezes while the audio continues. | Sep 14 17:37 |
| MinceR | i usually download anyway, but last time i watched something online it was fine | Sep 14 18:00 |
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| cubexyz | I'm starting to think a keyboard with a trackball built-in may be the best way to use a computer | Sep 15 03:40 |
| cubexyz | least travel moving your arm | Sep 15 03:41 |
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| msb__ | cubexyz: The trackball can be located adjacent to the keyboard (with only enough space to avoid pushing the left button). I looked at several and found this one the best. It's easy to clean -- just lift the ball out and wipe the dust off the three contact points with a kleenex. Cheap too, $30, and lasts for many years. | Sep 15 03:58 |
| cubexyz | which one is that? | Sep 15 04:00 |
| msb__ | It's photoelectric, so nothing can break, except maybe the cable where it enters the thing, and that you could mend. Oops, sorry https://secure.logitech.com/en-us/product/trackman-marble | Sep 15 04:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-secure.logitech.com | Logitech - Trackman Marble Trackball [ http://ur1.ca/nqosz ] | Sep 15 04:01 | |
| cubexyz | I was thinking the trackball could be put just under the space bar so you could use your thumb to easily move the pointer | Sep 15 04:01 |
| msb__ | But you need to push the buttons, too, although I guess you could assign key combinations for those. | Sep 15 04:02 |
| cubexyz | keytronic has one like that | Sep 15 04:03 |
| msb__ | photo please | Sep 15 04:04 |
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| msb__ | I think the large ball of the trackman gives easier positioning than a small ball. and button pushing is often done in conjunction with pointer movement. | Sep 15 04:06 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/keytronic-trackball-keyboard.jpg | Sep 15 04:07 |
| msb__ | I don't think that has quite enough keys in the adjacent keypad, so you might have to move your hand to the far-right one. But maybe not. | Sep 15 04:09 |
| msb__ | I use my thumb and first two fingers on the ball. Get much better control than with thumb alone, | Sep 15 04:10 |
| cubexyz | plus if you put that keyboard in your lap the trackball would be sticking into your belly | Sep 15 04:10 |
| msb__ | Logitech also makes at least one asymmetric trackball. Didn't like it, | Sep 15 04:11 |
| cubexyz | how about a mouse with cursor keys? | Sep 15 04:11 |
| msb__ | Mice require too much desk space. | Sep 15 04:13 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/mouse-with-lots-of-buttons.png | Sep 15 04:14 |
| msb__ | Also, I enjoy fondling a giant one-eyed alien slug. | Sep 15 04:14 |
| msb__ | Silly, I say. Why not just put wheels on your keyboard? | Sep 15 04:15 |
| cubexyz | I think alt-left, alt-right would cover that anyway | Sep 15 04:19 |
| msb__ | You can also put a pattern of 16x16 squares on the screen, flashing in, I think, Gray code, and pick up the EEG signal from the back of your skull. | Sep 15 04:19 |
| msb__ | It can tell which square you're looking at. | Sep 15 04:19 |
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| msb__ | For a two-button gizmo, you put a few lines in the X config to synthesize the middle button by pushing both at the same time. Works very well. | Sep 15 04:23 |
| msb__ | Logitech is a great company -- very nice people. | Sep 15 04:25 |
| msb__ | OT: A friend discovered frozen dark sweet cherries in the supermarket. Wonderful, and only 4 or 5 USD per pound. I eat them frozen. | Sep 15 04:26 |
| XFaCE | cubexyz: https://torrentfreak.com/intellectual-property-why-words-matter-in-the-copyright-debate-150913/ | Sep 15 04:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-torrentfreak.com | Intellectual Property? Why Words Matter In The Copyright Debate - TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/nsbxn ] | Sep 15 04:27 | |
| cubexyz | stallman doesn't like the term 'intellectual property' | Sep 15 04:31 |
| cubexyz | I'm not thrilled with it either | Sep 15 04:31 |
| XFaCE | cubexyz: that's the point of the article :P | Sep 15 04:32 |
| msb__ | WOW! Falkvinge is the anti-Bernays! That is a great article! | Sep 15 04:32 |
| cubexyz | well I expect a guy writing on torrentreak.com to be like that :) | Sep 15 04:32 |
| cubexyz | torrentfreak.com | Sep 15 04:33 |
| cubexyz | but my problem with copyright was the overreach | Sep 15 04:33 |
| cubexyz | 90 years or whatever it is now | Sep 15 04:33 |
| cubexyz | it's just way too long | Sep 15 04:33 |
| cubexyz | disney copies the Brothers Grimm, but no one can copy Disney | Sep 15 04:34 |
| cubexyz | it's stupid | Sep 15 04:34 |
| cubexyz | of course it's protectism | Sep 15 04:35 |
| cubexyz | "what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine" | Sep 15 04:35 |
| cubexyz | Microsoft is like that too | Sep 15 04:35 |
| msb__ | Also, poor people need entertainment as much as rich ones, but they can't afford it. | Sep 15 04:36 |
| cubexyz | just go back to the copyright act of 1790 | Sep 15 04:38 |
| msb__ | David Korten makes the same point about framing, but applies it to the structure of our entire society, in the great one-hour video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPiZJ5N9TkY | Sep 15 04:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | David Korten - The Great Turning - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/grbde ] | Sep 15 04:38 | |
| cubexyz | problem fixed | Sep 15 04:38 |
| cubexyz | a term of 14 years, then it's in the public domain | Sep 15 04:39 |
| cubexyz | poor people can download tons of stuff for free | Sep 15 04:39 |
| msb__ | Illegally | Sep 15 04:39 |
| cubexyz | not if they went back to a term of 14 years | Sep 15 04:40 |
| cubexyz | that's what I'm saying | Sep 15 04:40 |
| cubexyz | seems reasonable | Sep 15 04:40 |
| cubexyz | it was originally 14 years, and renewable _once_ by the living authors for another 14 years | Sep 15 04:41 |
| cubexyz | of course Dickens was ripped off (so to speak) | Sep 15 04:42 |
| cubexyz | there was no international copyright until 1891 | Sep 15 04:42 |
| cubexyz | CTEA was passed and now there's ridiculously long copyright terms | Sep 15 04:46 |
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| DaemonFC | http://wishtv.com/2015/09/11/social-media-post-leads-to-2-arrests-drug-bust-seizure-of-guns/ | Sep 15 05:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wishtv.com | Social media post leads to 2 arrests, drug bust, seizure of guns | WISH-TV [ http://ur1.ca/nscka ] | Sep 15 05:42 | |
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| cubexyz | I don't understand Ken Starks going on about windows 10 | Sep 15 06:16 |
| cubexyz | FOSS people need to talk about FOSS not windows 10 | Sep 15 06:17 |
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| cubexyz | chromebooks are a good way to get people off windows | Sep 15 06:18 |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/uouetAb.jpg | Sep 15 15:50 |
| cubexyz | booo | Sep 15 15:51 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 15 15:51 |
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| DaemonFC | I got a letter inviting me to intern with Indiana House Republicans. | Sep 15 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | I sent them back a picture of a minion and the word "BOSS!" | Sep 15 17:14 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 15 17:15 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm going to try to put a rush on getting my driver's license updated after I move to Fort Wayne so that I can register to vote there. | Sep 15 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going canvassing for Mayor Henry on Saturday. | Sep 15 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | I'd like to see the Democrats get the city council back. I've been discussing a few ideas with some of the candidates for the council, such as passing an ordinance restoring city employee collective bargaining, and a local common construction wage law since the state repealed the state one, and a Unigov project for Fort Wayne/Allen County to combine and reduce inefficiency, like Indianapolis did. | Sep 15 18:30 |
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| XFaCE | [01:16:06]<cubexyz> I don't understand Ken Starks going on about windows 10 | Sep 16 00:06 |
| XFaCE | who is ken starks and why do we care? | Sep 16 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | Who is John Galt? | Sep 16 00:08 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 16 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/09/15/tides-new-commercial-hilariously-mocks-kim-davis-and-anti-gay-bigots-everywhere-video/ | Sep 16 00:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.addictinginfo.org | Addicting Info – Tide’s New Commercial Hilariously Mocks Kim Davis And Anti-Gay Bigots Everywhere (VIDEO) [ http://ur1.ca/nsml8 ] | Sep 16 00:24 | |
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| msb__ | Here it is. Not actually from P&G "the spot is actually spec work from Tiny Giant director Mark Nickelsburg" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn4WhWo11pg | Sep 16 01:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Tide To Go | Gay Marriage Ad - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nsmwy ] | Sep 16 01:00 | |
| msb__ | Again had to download it to see the whole thing. | Sep 16 01:02 |
| msb__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSSNQv_nPTE Actual Canadian gay Tide Commercial | Sep 16 01:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Gay Tide commercial - Canadian commercial 2014/15 - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nsmz3 ] | Sep 16 01:06 | |
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| msb__ | Wonderful documentary about how Obama and Western media lied about Gaddafi and then murdered him and destr-yed his country, because he was trying to move oil payments away from US dollars and to gold. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COdKmHkPoOo | Sep 16 01:54 |
| msb__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COdKmHkPoOo | Sep 16 01:54 |
| msb__ | bot? Again, download using youtube-dl in order to see it. | Sep 16 01:55 |
| msb__ | Includes videos of enormous pro-Gaddafi demonstrations. | Sep 16 01:56 |
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| DaemonFC | msb__, I'm going to go to the Q&A session for a candidate for Fort Wayne city council. | Sep 16 02:57 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: What are you going to Q them about? | Sep 16 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | I plan to ask what her feelings are about restoring the Common Construction Wage for Fort Wayne since the state law was repealed, and if she plans to give city workers the ability to collectively bargain, which was taken away last year by the Republicans. | Sep 16 02:58 |
| msb__ | Sounds good! | Sep 16 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | If the Democrats can get the two Republican At-Large seats, they will control the city council 5-4. | Sep 16 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | I they can get one, it'll be 5 Republicans and 4 Democrats, but they'll be able to stop the Republicans from overriding Mayor Henry's vetoes at least. | Sep 16 02:59 |
| msb__ | Great if the Dems actually stand up for the interests of labor and people in general. | Sep 16 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | I'm also going to ask if something can be done to let Fort Wayne annex all of the surrounding county so that the rich and upper middle class have to pay city taxes, and if not, then if she would support billing them for the city services (police, fire and rescue, etc.) that they use but currently aren't paying for. | Sep 16 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | Or taking them away and letting them figure out something to do themselves. I doubt they're going to want to go without police and fire and rescue. :P | Sep 16 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | msb__, I keep calling out there and getting Republicans. | Sep 16 03:02 |
| DaemonFC | I don't want to argue, so I just tell them to have a nice day and then I hang up. :P | Sep 16 03:03 |
| DaemonFC | msb__, It really pissed me off that there are city councilmen making almost $100,000 a year off of taxpayers who voted to stop the guy who's out there filling potholes from making more than $30,000 a year. | Sep 16 03:06 |
| msb__ | I can't figure out the motivation for being a Repug, unless it's the right to own a gun, which I support. If they think they're going to reduce their taxes, and idiotically don't want to stop all the US-initiated wars, I guess they want to inflict austerity on the American people, which is going to make the US a scary place to live, even for them. | Sep 16 03:06 |
| DaemonFC | It already is heading that way. | Sep 16 03:07 |
| msb__ | Yep. Inflation and increasing food prices. | Sep 16 03:07 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. You get paid in deflated dollars that buy less every year. | Sep 16 03:07 |
| DaemonFC | It allows the rich to have all of the buying power. | Sep 16 03:08 |
| msb__ | Bernie Sanders is leading Libya-killer Hillary Clinton by double digits in the first two Dem primary states. | Sep 16 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, but he's really going to have to overperform. | Sep 16 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | The establishment has a lot of superdelegates. | Sep 16 03:09 |
| msb__ | Clinton super-PAC is linking Sanders with Communists. | Sep 16 03:10 |
| cubexyz | bring out the bogeyman | Sep 16 03:10 |
| DaemonFC | Well, the superdelegates can vote for anyone. | Sep 16 03:10 |
| DaemonFC | Doesn't matter how the primary election goes. | Sep 16 03:10 |
| msb__ | RT is the best place to see good American journalists. They don't get on American TV. | Sep 16 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | So only like 80% of the delegates have to vote the way the primary went. Something like that. | Sep 16 03:11 |
| msb__ | Yikes! Another layer between the people and govt power. | Sep 16 03:11 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: How are the superdelegates chosen? | Sep 16 03:20 |
| DaemonFC | msb__, Most are party officials. | Sep 16 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | Like sitting Senators and Representatives in Congress. | Sep 16 03:28 |
| msb__ | Which mostly got elected by money. | Sep 16 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. | Sep 16 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | It's important to get them on your side if you want to be nominated. | Sep 16 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | The Republicans have a more extreme version of that. | Sep 16 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | More states where the party decides and there is no primary. | Sep 16 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | They can also change the votes of delegates. | Sep 16 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | They changes all of Ron Paul's delegates to votes for Mitt Romney. | Sep 16 03:33 |
| msb__ | Bernie Sanders is talking about wealth inequality being a fundamental moral issue, even to evangelicals at Liberty University. | Sep 16 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | It makes sense. Even some of them are persuadable. | Sep 16 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | Some are only there because its what their parents would pay for. | Sep 16 03:35 |
| msb__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TvfBxIkupA Wonderful song! Jesus as a Socialist. | Sep 16 03:38 |
| cubexyz | socialism is a good thing | Sep 16 03:39 |
| cubexyz | not sure why the American politicians think it's a dirty word | Sep 16 03:39 |
| msb__ | Simple. American politicians are chosen by big money. Big money comes from corporate profits, which mostly go to rich owners; much less to working people. If socialism is set up correctly, businesses are controlled by their workers, who get the profits. Under socialism the wealthy owners would lose their exploitive income. That's why the US attacked Russia right after the revolution, and then wealthy Americans provided 75% of | Sep 16 03:43 |
| msb__ | Hitler's financing. | Sep 16 03:43 |
| msb__ | Then the US spent the entire post-WW2 years of the 20th century attacking socialist nations and leaders. It's all money-driven. | Sep 16 03:44 |
| msb__ | http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_Nazis http://cosmicpenguin.com/#American_Holocaust | Sep 16 03:46 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: see above. In this century the US has destr-yed half a dozen nations and murdered millions of people for oil and war profits. | Sep 16 03:49 |
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| cubexyz | oiaohm, have you ever used x2x? | Sep 16 06:38 |
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| msb__ | cubexyz: What do you think about my thesis regarding the US govt and socialism? | Sep 16 07:18 |
| cubexyz | oil will eventually run out | Sep 16 07:32 |
| cubexyz | and when the older generations die off people will become more accepting of socialism, even in the United States | Sep 16 07:33 |
| cubexyz | the old ways of thinking that rich people are completely self-made will fade | Sep 16 07:33 |
| cubexyz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_socialist_movement_in_the_United_States | Sep 16 07:39 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: Do you think I'm correct regarding the reason for the opposition of American politicians to socialism? | Sep 16 07:39 |
| cubexyz | yes, with regards to the control of media | Sep 16 07:41 |
| cubexyz | greedy parasites on society will eventually die off though | Sep 16 07:42 |
| cubexyz | Sanders is a democratic socialist, so we'll see how it goes | Sep 16 07:43 |
| msb__ | Greedy parasites lay eggs and have offspring. | Sep 16 07:44 |
| cubexyz | a parasite that kills it's host will also die | Sep 16 07:44 |
| msb__ | These parasites keep the US sufficiently alive that they can still feed off it, and the citizens are not sufficiently starved to revolt. | Sep 16 07:46 |
| msb__ | If we had honest elections, Sanders might become President, but as things are, I doubt that he'll even win the Dem primary. | Sep 16 07:49 |
| msb__ | It's also possible that oil is being regenerated deep in the earth and will not run out. But that won't stop global warming from killing us. If the methane-hydrate in the arctic seas decomposes, the methane will act as a powerful greenhouse gas, causing a regenerative increase in temperature. | Sep 16 07:52 |
| cubexyz | I kind of doubt oil is being regenerated as fast as the world is using it up | Sep 16 07:57 |
| cubexyz | I'm hoping and predicting the people of the world will become less wasteful and more 'green' | Sep 16 07:58 |
| msb__ | Solar cell tech is getting cheaper, and there are also some exotic techs like blacklightpower.com | Sep 16 08:01 |
| cubexyz | I'm definitely more frugal now than I was when I was younger | Sep 16 08:01 |
| cubexyz | and my repair skills have gotten a lot better which saves money | Sep 16 08:02 |
| cubexyz | and I'm seeing lots of DIY repair sites on the web | Sep 16 08:02 |
| cubexyz | so things _should_ be better in general in the future | Sep 16 08:03 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: x2x I hope you don't mean this one https://github.com/dottedmag/x2x | Sep 16 08:09 |
| oiaohm | http://www.x2go.org this one what is open source NX I can justify. | Sep 16 08:09 |
| oiaohm | the old x2x is a insecure bit of crap. | Sep 16 08:10 |
| cubexyz | well I don't think I want to link to qt4 just to do what x2x does | Sep 16 08:11 |
| cubexyz | how is x2x insecure? | Sep 16 08:12 |
| cubexyz | just enable x11 forwarding on a couple of internal ip addresses and off you go | Sep 16 08:13 |
| cubexyz | e.g.: | Sep 16 08:13 |
| cubexyz | ssh -XC user@server x2x -west -to :0.0 | Sep 16 08:14 |
| cubexyz | it's encapsulated inside a SSH tunnel | Sep 16 08:14 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: x2x allows remote to take control of local. | Sep 16 08:21 |
| cubexyz | but that's the idea isn't it? | Sep 16 08:21 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: it lacks some very key filtering on what X11 command should be allowed. | Sep 16 08:21 |
| oiaohm | Remote take control of local in both directions. | Sep 16 08:22 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: when you are remote controlling a server. You don't want the server you are remote controlling controling your computer do you. | Sep 16 08:23 |
| cubexyz | that's right | Sep 16 08:24 |
| cubexyz | but it doesn't do that | Sep 16 08:24 |
| oiaohm | x2x due to its bugs the remote server could control your computer. | Sep 16 08:24 |
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| cubexyz | not unless I run x2x again on the other computer as well | Sep 16 08:24 |
| cubexyz | I'm only running x2x on one computer | Sep 16 08:24 |
| oiaohm | x2x over network is not good. | Sep 16 08:25 |
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| oiaohm | x2go allows one directional control. | Sep 16 08:25 |
| oiaohm | x2x is no better than ssh -X direct sharing from a secuirty point of view. | Sep 16 08:26 |
| oiaohm | Note I don't like ssh -X either. | Sep 16 08:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Deluge Torrent 1.3.12 Released, How To | Sep 16 08:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Install/Update In Ubuntu/Linux Mint Or Other | Sep 16 08:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Derivatives http://t.co/YMUlRaZB44 | Sep 16 08:27 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nsqpn | Sep 16 08:27 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, I'm still using access control | Sep 16 08:28 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: basically X11 protocol never got the idea of seperation. | Sep 16 08:28 |
| cubexyz | only a couple of internal ip addresses are allowed access | Sep 16 08:28 |
| oiaohm | x2x output is nested. | Sep 16 08:28 |
| oiaohm | So it does not have access to the full house. | Sep 16 08:29 |
| oiaohm | This is why I don't use it. | Sep 16 08:29 |
| oiaohm | When I can use x2go and I don't have to jump threw about 4 hoops to make it secure I do. | Sep 16 08:29 |
| oiaohm | Also x2x lost it core developer a while back. | Sep 16 08:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Qualcomm unveils Linux-based UAV reference | Sep 16 08:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | platform http://t.co/xt9Hj5dYVX | Sep 16 08:34 |
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| cubexyz | x2x is supposed to support clipboard sharing also | Sep 16 08:41 |
| cubexyz | in quasijarus there's no ssh even | Sep 16 08:56 |
| cubexyz | but I never got X11 forwarding to work on that | Sep 16 08:56 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds this is a interesting project. | Sep 16 09:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Looking forward to openSuSE Leap | Sep 16 10:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/f07zmIjqEy (www.zdnet.com) | Sep 16 10:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nsrmd | Sep 16 10:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Samsung to bring Tizen to Europe with Germany, | Sep 16 10:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | France, UK, Russia and Poland on the hit list? | Sep 16 10:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Z42zwzzOVd (www.tizenexperts.com) | Sep 16 10:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nsrmf | Sep 16 10:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Qualcomm unveils Linux-based UAV reference | Sep 16 10:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | platform http://t.co/jTmIP00wJn | Sep 16 10:20 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Looking forward to openSuSE Leap | Sep 16 11:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/b2PFKSGcS6 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 16 11:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nsscp | Sep 16 11:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Italian military to switch to LibreOffice and | Sep 16 11:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ODF http://t.co/m7neYAfCiD | Sep 16 11:45 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nsscq | Sep 16 11:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Samsung to bring Tizen to Europe with Germany, | Sep 16 11:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | France, UK, Russia and Poland on the hit list? | Sep 16 11:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/suZg0oTEb1 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 16 11:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nsscs | Sep 16 11:46 |
| msb__ | Wonderful! Linux-based drone controller circuit - cheap! http://linuxgizmos.com/qualcomm-unveils-linux-based-uav-reference-platform/ Combined with facial-recognition software, this can be programmed to find and kill enemies of the state automatically, without further human intervention. | Sep 16 11:46 |
| msb__ | It's equipped with WiFi, GPS, etc., so multiple units could form a network in the sky! What will we call that? | Sep 16 11:49 |
| MinceR | killbots | Sep 16 12:27 |
| MinceR | i need a lot of those | Sep 16 12:27 |
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| msb__ | I know exactly whose picture you're gonna feed them. Geez, we have to improve your attitude before you start WW3! | Sep 16 12:39 |
| MinceR | i doubt i can beat putin to that | Sep 16 12:41 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Kinect Support to ODROID http://t.co/l55V3yY3Gh | Sep 16 17:49 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Weekend in Techrights http://t.co/aRnxmBy6K4 | Sep 16 19:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 16 19:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @schestowitz | Sep 16 19:31 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.04 Robotics Edition Brings Microsoft | Sep 16 19:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Kinect Support to ODROID http://t.co/hpk6WTY1Tt | Sep 16 19:31 |
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| msb__ | This is very interesting. http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-15-04-robotics-edition-brings-microsoft-kinect-support-to-odroid-491887.shtml | Sep 16 19:49 |
| msb__ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenNI | Sep 16 19:49 |
| msb__ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinect | Sep 16 19:50 |
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| msb__ | https://www.asus.com/3D-Sensor/Xtion_PRO/ | Sep 16 19:52 |
| msb__ | https://www.google.com/search?as_q=xtion+asus&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=&as_occt=any&safe=images&as_filetype=&as_rights= | Sep 16 19:53 |
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| msb__ | ASUS Xtion is similar to MS Kinect, but something weird is going on with it. | Sep 16 20:15 |
| msb__ | $170 at Newegg, but out of stock. $425 at Amazon. Sold at ASUS eStore, but the phone # for that is NG. | Sep 16 20:16 |
| msb__ | I'm on the phone to ASUS right now, but it's gone silent for quite a while. | Sep 16 20:17 |
| msb__ | Certainly don't want to buy a microshit one. | Sep 16 20:17 |
| MinceR | http://img.pr0gramm.com/2015/09/16/848b82b49bf45f6a.png | Sep 16 20:28 |
| MinceR | i'll stick with good old keyboard+mouse | Sep 16 20:29 |
| MinceR | though i guess i could use some pedals | Sep 16 20:29 |
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| msb__ | I want a USB6 direct brain connection. | Sep 16 20:32 |
| MinceR | beware the black ice | Sep 16 20:32 |
| msb__ | For sure! | Sep 16 20:32 |
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| msb__ | ASUS seems to have a low-rez and a high-rez one. The high-rez -- 1280x1024 -- they recommend to buy from Amazon, which has only two sellers -- one in France and the other in Germany, | Sep 16 21:10 |
| msb__ | I'm getting the idea that ASUS is not really serious about this product. I've been on the phone with them for over an hour, and the guy has not found where the high-rez one is shown on their website. | Sep 16 21:12 |
| msb__ | It would be nice if you could have a hologram projector make an image, and then be able to grab at it with your hands using this sensor. | Sep 16 21:14 |
| msb__ | That would be like the computer in the movie The First $20 Million Is Always the Hardest (2002) -- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0280674/combined -- Highly recommended! | Sep 16 21:17 |
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| msb__ | After 90minutes ASUS hung up on me. | Sep 16 21:28 |
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| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Sep 16 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | It does not appear that New Jersey's SAIP insurance is a form of "welfare", if the people would have been better off by breaking the law and going uninsured. | Sep 16 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | If it has no liability coverage, then what's the point? Especially if you rear end some rich ***hole that slams his brakes and then sues you because his $90,000 car is trashed. | Sep 16 22:07 |
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| msb__ | http://www.globalresearch.ca/anti-russian-propaganda-corporate-media-are-accomplices-of-imperial-politics/5476453 Anti-Russian Propaganda. Corporate Media are Accomplices of Imperial Politics | Sep 17 02:24 |
| msb__ | BOT??? | Sep 17 02:24 |
| MinceR | good thing russia isn't imperialist... oh wait | Sep 17 02:24 |
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| DaemonFC | http://wishtv.com/2015/09/16/no-charges-against-muslim-teen-after-clock-mistaken-for-bomb/ | Sep 17 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | I commented. | Sep 17 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | It's Texas... Derp is everywhere there. | Sep 17 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | Several years ago, the state government of Texas raided a charity that I donated money to, which took old computers and refurbished them to run Linux and then gave them to schoolkids. | Sep 17 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | Their reasoning was that they needed a license from the state to do that. | Sep 17 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder how the fertilizer plant that blew up and destroyed West, Texas managed to go without a significant inspection for nearly thirty years. | Sep 17 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | Too busy investigating a charity that recycles computers? | Sep 17 02:26 |
| MinceR | http://ur1.ca/nsxyn | Sep 17 02:26 |
| *MinceR sighs | Sep 17 02:26 | |
| MinceR | "MUSLIMS NEED TO LEAVE THE MIDDLE AGES AND JOIN THE 21ST CENTURY OK kid: look I'm so into science I made a clock! BOMB BOMB HE'S GOT A BOMB" | Sep 17 02:27 |
| MinceR | it seems that the authorities are too busy grabbing cash and bothering citizens to actually go after crime | Sep 17 02:29 |
| MinceR | another sign of the failure of "the social contract" | Sep 17 02:29 |
| msb__ | In this century, Russia has been about 1/1000th as imperialist as the US, which is attacking it. | Sep 17 02:29 |
| msb__ | That's right. After the huge robbery by banksters in 2008 impoverished US city and state governments, they started robbing their citizens with undeserved traffic tickets and other petty violations. | Sep 17 02:31 |
| MinceR | which territories has the usa annexed in this century? | Sep 17 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/white-kid-builds-nuclear-reactor-and-homeland-security-offers-help/ | Sep 17 02:36 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, there haven't been any: | Sep 17 02:39 |
| cubexyz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_territorial_acquisitions | Sep 17 02:39 |
| MinceR | exactly | Sep 17 02:39 |
| cubexyz | in 1846 Mexico had to give up half it's land to the US | Sep 17 02:44 |
| cubexyz | Alta California, New Mexico and parts of Texas | Sep 17 02:44 |
| DaemonFC | <msb__> That's right. After the huge robbery by banksters in 2008 impoverished US city and state governments, they started robbing their citizens with undeserved traffic tickets and other petty violations. | Sep 17 02:45 |
| DaemonFC | I was talking about that the other day. | Sep 17 02:45 |
| DaemonFC | I got a seatbelt violation and paid it with jars full of pennies. | Sep 17 02:46 |
| cubexyz | in fact there was even talk of annexing all of Mexico at one point | Sep 17 02:46 |
| DaemonFC | Then I got a parking ticket. | Sep 17 02:46 |
| DaemonFC | So I got a parking permit and then obscured the date. | Sep 17 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | Kept parking in the lot next to the police for about a year. | Sep 17 02:47 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Are you claiming that taking total control of a country -- after murdering many of its inhabitants and destr0ying its infrastructure, leaving the survivors to live in poverty -- is less evil than annexing a nation and treating its citizens as well as it does its own? | Sep 17 02:47 |
| msb__ | MinceR: The US has done that to FIVE NATIONS since 2001. | Sep 17 02:50 |
| MinceR | there are plenty of falsehoods in that paragraph | Sep 17 02:50 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Please point them out. | Sep 17 02:50 |
| MinceR | and i still can't see how supporting putin's adventures is supposed to help anyone except putin and his cronies. | Sep 17 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | Saddam Hussein said that he wanted to decapitate George H.W. Bush and toss his head on the ground. | Sep 17 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | I read that and said "I would like that too.". | Sep 17 02:51 |
| MinceR | and yet saddam was "Our Bastard" for a while, wasn't he? | Sep 17 02:51 |
| msb__ | The US got rid of a socialist and put Saddam in. | Sep 17 02:52 |
| MinceR | msb__: also, i've asked you before -- how's Chechnya's secession referendum going? | Sep 17 02:52 |
| msb__ | I have no idea. Give me a reference. | Sep 17 02:52 |
| MinceR | there's none, afaict | Sep 17 02:53 |
| MinceR | but i guess territories wanting to secede from the state that controls them is only interesting as long as it happens to the benefit of russia | Sep 17 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Puerto Rico is being treated terribly by the United States. | Sep 17 02:54 |
| MinceR | they should probably be made into a state | Sep 17 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | If they were a state, they would have some options to deal with their debt. | Sep 17 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | Which is why that won't be allowed. | Sep 17 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | Also, the Republicans control Congress and the last thing they want are two new Senators and a new Representative that are Democrats. | Sep 17 02:56 |
| DaemonFC | Half of the Republicans have gone so far off the deep end that they're two parties now. | Sep 17 02:57 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 17 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | One half can get some things passed in the House if they rely on the Democrats. | Sep 17 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | They can't keep their own members under control. | Sep 17 02:57 |
| MinceR | maybe the republican party dying will finally shake up usian politics enough to move on from the two-party system | Sep 17 02:58 |
| cubexyz | Crimea was once a republic within the USSR | Sep 17 02:59 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, All of the news networks are running Donald Trump all day long for free. | Sep 17 03:00 |
| cubexyz | in 1954 it was transferred to the Ukranian Soviet Socialist Republic | Sep 17 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | No wonder his campaign is doing well. He doesn't have to pay for advertising. | Sep 17 03:00 |
| MinceR | and he may yet bring down the republican party :> | Sep 17 03:00 |
| cubexyz | in 1991 it became independent: the Autonomous Republic of Crimea | Sep 17 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, 70% of Hispanic voters polled hate his guts. | Sep 17 03:01 |
| cubexyz | in March 2014 Crimea is absorbed into the Russian Federation | Sep 17 03:01 |
| msb__ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechnya -- informative, but may be biased | Sep 17 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | It's hard to imagine a situation where he loses badly everywhere but with white people and wins anyway. | Sep 17 03:01 |
| cubexyz | except that's not recognized by Ukraine or most of the international community | Sep 17 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | Obama did really badly in 2012 among white people. Still won. | Sep 17 03:01 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: and yet republican voters seem to love him and afaik he implicitly (or explicitly?) threatened with the GOP with running independently if they don't nominate him | Sep 17 03:02 |
| DaemonFC | If he had gotten the same percentage of the white vote with the demographics of 1996 or even 2000, he would have lost. | Sep 17 03:02 |
| msb__ | Maybe this is why Russia is holding on to the area: "Insurgency in the North Caucasus continued even after this date. The Caucasus Emirate has fully adopted the tenets of being a Salafist-takfiri jihadist group" | Sep 17 03:02 |
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| msb__ | Salafism is the vicious jihadist doctrin of ISIL. | Sep 17 03:03 |
| MinceR | maybe this is why russia is holding on to the area: russia is imperialist | Sep 17 03:03 |
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| MinceR | and they consider the entire eastern bloc to belong to them | Sep 17 03:03 |
| MinceR | especially ukraine | Sep 17 03:03 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, This isn't the 80s. | Sep 17 03:03 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: tell putin that. | Sep 17 03:03 |
| DaemonFC | The Republicans can no longer piss off everyone that isn't white and assume the white vote will carry them forward. | Sep 17 03:03 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Your ideas of what people want or think are NOT the same as actual ACTIONS. | Sep 17 03:04 |
| DaemonFC | We're still the majority, but it's declining with every election. | Sep 17 03:04 |
| MinceR | and since they can't afford to maintain a military that could beat the usa, they pour their resources into a propaganda campaign | Sep 17 03:04 |
| MinceR | and some people without critical thinking skills eat it all up | Sep 17 03:04 |
| msb__ | If the Russians say something that is _true_, then it's a lie to call it "propaganda". | Sep 17 03:05 |
| MinceR | oh, almost forgot the "cyber"attack | Sep 17 03:05 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The Russians don't have to win a war with us. | Sep 17 03:05 |
| DaemonFC | All they have to do is keep poaching territory that we won't fight them over. | Sep 17 03:05 |
| MinceR | if one works by the axiom of "russia is right in everything", whatever russia says follows to be the Truth and whatever contradicts it follows to be a Lie | Sep 17 03:05 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: yeah, and i wonder if the NATO would fight over poland or hungary | Sep 17 03:06 |
| cubexyz | surely they would? | Sep 17 03:06 |
| msb__ | The only territory that Russia "poached" VOTED to join Russia -- Crimea. | Sep 17 03:06 |
| MinceR | and while crimean tatars are oppressed, people who have no real stake in this celebrate at their expense. | Sep 17 03:06 |
| MinceR | "voted" in something that was not a referendum and was not credible | Sep 17 03:07 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Theoretically, NATO Article 5 would guarantee that. | Sep 17 03:07 |
| MinceR | theoretically. | Sep 17 03:07 |
| DaemonFC | What will happen is a good question. | Sep 17 03:07 |
| MinceR | nothing good, most likely. | Sep 17 03:07 |
| cubexyz | you're suggesting Russia would invade Poland? | Sep 17 03:07 |
| MinceR | russia is suggesting that | Sep 17 03:07 |
| msb__ | MinceR: "if one works by the axiom of "russia is right in everything"" You are AGAIN claiming that I think something that there is no evidence that I do. | Sep 17 03:07 |
| msb__ | I have criticized Putin plenty. | Sep 17 03:08 |
| MinceR | and yet you'd hand over the eastern bloc to him happily, if it was up to you | Sep 17 03:08 |
| MinceR | thankfully, it is not | Sep 17 03:08 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Stop talking about what you imagine is my state of mind, and talk only about FACTS. | Sep 17 03:09 |
| msb__ | MinceR: "you'd hand over the eastern bloc to him happily, if it was up to you". YOU DID IT AGAIN. YOU ARE LYING. | Sep 17 03:09 |
| MinceR | the fact is russia is imperialistic and putin is gambling with everyone's lives | Sep 17 03:09 |
| msb__ | So vague as to be meaningless. Twice. | Sep 17 03:10 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Your only justification for "russia is imperialistic" is that it has refused to release Salafist Chechnya (after its many terrorist attacks) and has annexed Crimea at its request. | Sep 17 03:12 |
| MinceR | no, not my only justification | Sep 17 03:13 |
| MinceR | you're lying, as usual | Sep 17 03:13 |
| MinceR | look up what they did to georgia | Sep 17 03:13 |
| MinceR | look up what they did to estonia. | Sep 17 03:13 |
| MinceR | look up what they threatened european states with. | Sep 17 03:13 |
| msb__ | When did they do those things? | Sep 17 03:13 |
| MinceR | 2008, 2014, 2014~2015 | Sep 17 03:14 |
| msb__ | MinceR: And what is the meaning of "putin is gambling with everyone's lives" ? Opposing US attacks on Russia, like the Nazification of Ukraine? | Sep 17 03:14 |
| MinceR | and stop pretending that just because the ideology you love so much wrecked the economy of the russian empire so much they had to pull out of the eastern bloc they've changed and become saintly. | Sep 17 03:14 |
| MinceR | they keep proving that nothing has changed, except the state religion was changed from marxism to christianity. | Sep 17 03:15 |
| MinceR | msb__: no, the meaning of that is not the bullshit the russian imperial media comes up with to justify their crimes against humanity. | Sep 17 03:15 |
| MinceR | it means literally what it says. | Sep 17 03:15 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Yeltsin utterly destroyed the Russian economy. See Chapter 11 of The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism by Naomi Klein. | Sep 17 03:16 |
| msb__ | Not socialism. | Sep 17 03:16 |
| MinceR | putin is threatening everyone with nukes and is looking for excuses to use them, to either force the world into nuclear war or to take over ever greater parts of the planet | Sep 17 03:16 |
| MinceR | yeltsin wasn't even president until 1991 | Sep 17 03:16 |
| msb__ | Read the book | Sep 17 03:17 |
| MinceR | read some history | Sep 17 03:17 |
| msb__ | You refuse to access evidence. | Sep 17 03:17 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_occupation_of_Hungary | Sep 17 03:18 |
| MinceR | "In the wake of the Revolutions of 1989, the Soviet troops - the Southern Group of Forces - started leaving Hungary. By July 1990, some 15,000 Soviet soldiers and their dependents had left, taking about 60,000 of the 560,000 tons of equipment they had stored there.[" | Sep 17 03:18 |
| MinceR | Yeltsin was president starting 10 July 1991 | Sep 17 03:18 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeltsin | Sep 17 03:18 |
| msb__ | You are still living in the 1950's | Sep 17 03:18 |
| MinceR | so unless you show me the time machine Yelstin used to retroactively destroy the russian economy, i'm calling bullshit on you yet again. | Sep 17 03:19 |
| msb__ | You are changing subjects in order to avoid the facts. | Sep 17 03:19 |
| MinceR | no, your idols are living in the 1950s | Sep 17 03:19 |
| MinceR | and just because you worship this nazi madman, his nukes won't spare you in the usa. | Sep 17 03:19 |
| msb__ | You are again lying about what is in my mind. | Sep 17 03:19 |
| MinceR | and the nuclear winter that will bring about also won't spare you. | Sep 17 03:19 |
| msb__ | MinceR: "putin is threatening everyone with nukes" Give a reference. | Sep 17 03:20 |
| MinceR | and the eastern bloc coming under russian occupation yet again is going to do nothing to improve the quality of your life. | Sep 17 03:20 |
| MinceR | i already have, and you ignored it. | Sep 17 03:20 |
| MinceR | just like you ignore all the facts. | Sep 17 03:20 |
| msb__ | Give it again. Not the CIA. | Sep 17 03:20 |
| MinceR | i'm not going to bother with citations since you won't read any of them anyway | Sep 17 03:20 |
| MinceR | oh, of course | Sep 17 03:20 |
| MinceR | if it's not from RT or pravda or whatever, it must be the CIA | Sep 17 03:20 |
| msb__ | I don't remember any such reference. I think you are lying. | Sep 17 03:21 |
| MinceR | i don't have time for this bullshit | Sep 17 03:21 |
| MinceR | good night | Sep 17 03:21 |
| MinceR | you don't remember it because you skipped it. | Sep 17 03:21 |
| msb__ | Great excuse. | Sep 17 03:21 |
| msb__ | Give it again if it exists. Maybe I was disconnected at the time. | Sep 17 03:21 |
| MinceR | http://www.vox.com/2015/6/29/8845913/russia-war | Sep 17 03:21 |
| MinceR | some more: | Sep 17 03:21 |
| MinceR | http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420510/russias-nuclear-strategy-coercion-and-intimidation | Sep 17 03:21 |
| MinceR | http://www.aim.org/aim-column/putin-threatens-america-with-nuclear-annihilation/ | Sep 17 03:22 |
| MinceR | http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2015/06/25/pentagon-official-russian-nuke-talk-playing-with-fire | Sep 17 03:22 |
| MinceR | http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/16/us-russia-nuclear-putin-idUSKBN0OW17X20150616 | Sep 17 03:22 |
| MinceR | and now, in less time than it would take to read even one paragraph, you'll tell me how all this is lies from the CIA, as usual | Sep 17 03:22 |
| MinceR | showing that it was a total waste of my time to respond. | Sep 17 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | http://huff.to/1F373Qo | Sep 17 03:24 |
| DaemonFC | Just now · | Sep 17 03:24 |
| DaemonFC | Broadly speaking, people didn't generally get raises last year. | Sep 17 03:24 |
| DaemonFC | In the last 50 years, the "market" hasn't improved the situation for the bottom 10% at all, but food stamps, Medicaid, and a few other programs have. The minimum wage is far too low, and this lets major companies like Walmart and McDonalds turn Medicaid into the benefits package instead of taking care of their own employees. | Sep 17 03:24 |
| msb__ | "Accuracy in Media" is an American ultra-rightwing propaganda organization. | Sep 17 03:25 |
| msb__ | So is "National Review" | Sep 17 03:26 |
| msb__ | The vox article you cited says "Putin, warning repeatedly that he would use nuclear weapons in a conflict, began forward-deploying nuclear-capable missiles and bombers." | Sep 17 03:27 |
| msb__ | But that is in response to US actions, which have ringed Russia with nuclear missiles. And US politicians have threatened to use them. | Sep 17 03:28 |
| msb__ | MinceR: The US has aggressed against Russia in Ukraine and Syria (a Russian ally). Russia has not aggressed against the US at all. | Sep 17 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | Just now · | Sep 17 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | The police interrogated him demanding that they tell them that the clock wasn't a clock, when the clock was clearly a clock. | Sep 17 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not sure how he would have complied with their request to broaden his explanation. It's a clock. What kind of a clock? Well, you see officer, it's a clockey kind of clock. | Sep 17 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/16/1421822/-Definitive-proof-that-9th-grader-Ahmed-Mohamed-is-smarter-than-the-police-officers-who-arrested-him?detail=facebook | Sep 17 03:31 |
| msb__ | MinceR: The entire current conflict between the US and Russia was started by the US installing a Nazi regime in Ukraine. | Sep 17 03:31 |
| msb__ | MinceR: The US did that in order to start a conflict with Russia. What other reason would it have. | Sep 17 03:32 |
| msb__ | ? | Sep 17 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, There have actually been some changes to US territory this century. | Sep 17 03:52 |
| DaemonFC | Just some minor land swaps with Mexico. | Sep 17 03:57 |
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| MinceR | and so msb__'s Universal Excuse shows up again | Sep 17 12:23 |
| MinceR | whatever bad happens anywhere in the world, it's caused by psychopathy caused by the usa, somehow | Sep 17 12:23 |
| MinceR | 164738 8/<g:/ </msb__g8/>g eMinceR: Psychopathy in a whole culture does seem to result, sometimes at least from trauma. Stalinist, North Korea, and Israel are illustrations of this. | Sep 17 12:23 |
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| msb__ | MinceR: In your latest personal attack against me, I'm having difficulty finding where I wrote what you seem to be quoting from me: "Psychopathy in a whole culture does seem to result, sometimes at least from trauma. Stalinist, North Korea, and Israel are illustrations of this." | Sep 17 13:58 |
| MinceR | you don't even remember what you write here | Sep 17 13:59 |
| MinceR | and yet you insist on being quoted | Sep 17 13:59 |
| MinceR | it's pointless to try to argue with you about this, as you apparently have a zealous religious belief in the russian empire and putler | Sep 17 13:59 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Would you please provide the date and time (with time zone) that you are quoting from. | Sep 17 13:59 |
| MinceR | 2014-04-27.log:164738 | Sep 17 13:59 |
| MinceR | CET or CEST | Sep 17 13:59 |
| msb__ | Good lord! You are picking a fight with me about something I wrote over a year ago? | Sep 17 14:00 |
| msb__ | You are really obsessive! | Sep 17 14:01 |
| MinceR | no, you blaming all evil in the world on "trauma" caused by the USA seems to be a consistent theme | Sep 17 14:01 |
| MinceR | it's the excuse for everything north korea and russia do, among other things | Sep 17 14:02 |
| msb__ | MinceR: You don't see that going back to what I wrote 17 months ago indicates and obsessive desire to attack me? | Sep 17 14:07 |
| msb__ | and -> an | Sep 17 14:08 |
| MinceR | if i don't quote you, you say i lie. if i quote you, you say i'm obsessive. | Sep 17 14:08 |
| MinceR | again, it's pointless to argue with you | Sep 17 14:08 |
| MinceR | it's ironic how for all that lip service to critical thinking, you show zero critical thinking | Sep 17 14:08 |
| msb__ | You must be spending quite a lot of time going over your old logs of what I've written! | Sep 17 14:09 |
| MinceR | actually grep doesn't take that long to search the logs | Sep 17 14:11 |
| MinceR | but even so, you've already proven that effort to be wasted | Sep 17 14:11 |
| msb__ | MinceR: In any case, I recently explained to you in a private conversation that the mental/cultural disease of mass psychopathy, called by Wilhelm Reich The Emotional Plague, and by Riane Eisler The Dominator Paradigm, is passed down from generation to generation by traumatic child-rearing and anti-human cultural influences like JCI religion. | Sep 17 14:13 |
| msb__ | MinceR: JCI religion probably accounts for the willingness of American psychopaths to do the worldwide evil they've been doing ever since their genocide of the Native Americans during the formation of the US. | Sep 17 14:15 |
| MinceR | that in no way excuses the acts of the fascist regimes you openly support | Sep 17 14:15 |
| MinceR | also, why do i have to remind you that the russian government is allied with a christian cult? | Sep 17 14:16 |
| msb__ | I don't support any fascist regimes at all. The fact that fascism is a result of trauma doesn't excuse it. It's a cause-and-effect connection, not a moral justification. Can you understand the difference? | Sep 17 14:17 |
| MinceR | you support russia, north korea and others | Sep 17 14:18 |
| MinceR | of course it doesn't excuse it but you pretend it does | Sep 17 14:19 |
| MinceR | you use this excuse to push all responsibility for everything bad that happens to the usians | Sep 17 14:19 |
| msb__ | MinceR: I count 8 lying personal attacks in your recent text here. That doesn't do anything to convince any audience that may be reading your text that you're right. It just makes you look like an obsessive nutcase. | Sep 17 14:20 |
| MinceR | anyone with a working brain must have already deduced that you're an obsessive fascist nutcase | Sep 17 14:20 |
| msb__ | Am I talking with a primitive AI program here that simply repeats back to me what I've said? | Sep 17 14:21 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Stop lying about me. I do _not_ "support russia, north korea". I have criticized Russia's attacks on the Eastern Bloc half a century ago. I have criticized Putin's attack on Pussy Riot, and his recent attempt to censor Net information about cannabis. | Sep 17 14:23 |
| MinceR | yeah, while supporting russia and north korea you also keep fraudulently claiming that you do not | Sep 17 14:24 |
| MinceR | you repeat every single lie from RT here | Sep 17 14:24 |
| msb__ | How have I supported North Korea? | Sep 17 14:24 |
| MinceR | you claim that every source of evidence that's unpleasant to russia is the CIA | Sep 17 14:24 |
| msb__ | How have I supported North Korea? | Sep 17 14:24 |
| MinceR | you excuse their acts with your absurd claims of trauma caused by the usa | Sep 17 14:24 |
| MinceR | and you have the same ideology as them | Sep 17 14:25 |
| MinceR | you support oppressing other states and people by russians | Sep 17 14:25 |
| MinceR | you support putler's fascist posturing | Sep 17 14:25 |
| MinceR | you support putler's nuclear threats to the world | Sep 17 14:25 |
| msb__ | No, I don't excuse their acts. I _explain_ their acts by the fact that the US murdered 30% of the North Korean population in the Korean War. Imagine having burning jellied gasoline -- napalm -- dropped on yourself and your family. | Sep 17 14:26 |
| MinceR | maybe i'll experience that | Sep 17 14:27 |
| MinceR | courtesy of your idol, putin | Sep 17 14:27 |
| msb__ | MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME! Putin is not my idol. I've said that his opposition to the US destruction of five nations recently is a good thing. Currently he is trying to aid Syria in getting rid of ISIL, but the US government wants ISIL there to get rid of Assad for reasons of profit. | Sep 17 14:29 |
| MinceR | your acts say more than your words | Sep 17 14:29 |
| msb__ | What acts? | Sep 17 14:30 |
| MinceR | your support for everything putler does, for one thing | Sep 17 14:30 |
| MinceR | oh well, good thing russia is allowed to destroy "nations", right? | Sep 17 14:30 |
| msb__ | MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME! I do not support everything putin does. Quoting myself 7 minutes ago "I have criticized Putin's attack on Pussy Riot, and his recent attempt to censor Net information about cannabis." | Sep 17 14:32 |
| MinceR | yet you want him to rule over as many people as possible | Sep 17 14:33 |
| msb__ | MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME! I have never said that "russia is allowed to destroy "nations"". | Sep 17 14:33 |
| MinceR | including crimean tatars, estonians, poles, hungarians... | Sep 17 14:33 |
| msb__ | MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME! I have never said that I want Putin to rule over "crimean tatars, estonians, poles, hungarians". | Sep 17 14:34 |
| MinceR | not with those words | Sep 17 14:34 |
| MinceR | you use different words | Sep 17 14:34 |
| MinceR | i guess someone who's absolutely gullible and naive might even believe your deception | Sep 17 14:34 |
| msb__ | Putin was right in annexing Crimea, which overwhelmingly voted for it. If Crimean Tatars are unhappy about that, it's unfortunate. Are they discriminated against in Russia? | Sep 17 14:35 |
| msb__ | MinceR: What's going on here is that I carefully choose my words, and you attribute to me something entirely different than what I wrote, and then attack me for your false attribution. That's called the Straw Man lying propaganda technique. | Sep 17 14:37 |
| MinceR | of course they are | Sep 17 14:37 |
| MinceR | and i've already told you they are | Sep 17 14:37 |
| MinceR | which you ignored, as usual | Sep 17 14:37 |
| MinceR | lying about what you say is not "carefully choosing your words" | Sep 17 14:38 |
| MinceR | it's just lying about what you say. | Sep 17 14:38 |
| msb__ | What can be done about it, if the Tatars are living in a region in which most people want to be a part of Russia? | Sep 17 14:38 |
| MinceR | what's the "repeat every single piece of bullshit from RT" propaganda technique called? | Sep 17 14:38 |
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| MinceR | what's the "dismiss every bit of fact you don't like as CIA propaganda" propaganda technique called? | Sep 17 14:38 |
| MinceR | no, most people don't want it to be a part of russia | Sep 17 14:39 |
| MinceR | putin and his cronies want it to be a part of russia | Sep 17 14:39 |
| msb__ | RT broadcasts a lot of accurate information. If you disagree with something they've broadcast that I've mentioned, tell me what it is. | Sep 17 14:39 |
| msb__ | The Crimeans voted to be part of Russia. | Sep 17 14:39 |
| MinceR | the results of the yalta conference also didn't mean that most people wanted the eastern bloc to be a part of russia | Sep 17 14:40 |
| msb__ | And that's consistent with 700,000 Crimeans fleeing to Russia to escape the Ukrainian Nazi regime. | Sep 17 14:40 |
| MinceR | yes, at gunpoint, in circumstances that lack credibility, "voted" | Sep 17 14:40 |
| MinceR | but i suppose you'd also call what the russians and their bootlickers did here in hungary "democracy" | Sep 17 14:40 |
| MinceR | because people "voted" | Sep 17 14:40 |
| msb__ | The yalta conference has nothing to do with what we're talking about. What you're doing is called the Red Herring lying propaganda technique. | Sep 17 14:41 |
| MinceR | good thing the russians are allowed to maintain a nazi regime by emperor msb | Sep 17 14:41 |
| MinceR | what would the world come to if they weren't? | Sep 17 14:41 |
| MinceR | you obviously have no clue about history | Sep 17 14:41 |
| MinceR | you're a living demonstration of the dunning-kruger effect | Sep 17 14:42 |
| msb__ | MinceR: You constantly confuse the concepts of "Nazi" and "authoritarian". | Sep 17 14:42 |
| MinceR | you constantly pretend as if a few symbols changed the nature of a fascist regime | Sep 17 14:42 |
| MinceR | you pretend as if brutally oppressing people and treating them as slaves with no rights was a-ok as long as your flag had a five-pointed star and a hammer and a sickle | Sep 17 14:42 |
| MinceR | you pretend as if a hammer and a sickle on the flag was any sort of consolation to the victims | Sep 17 14:43 |
| MinceR | it's of course easy to argue this from an armchair in the usa | Sep 17 14:43 |
| MinceR | it's easy to put other people's lives on the line | Sep 17 14:44 |
| msb__ | Are people in Russia brutally oppressed and treated as slaves with no rights? xrevan86 and videos of Russia don't indicate that. | Sep 17 14:44 |
| MinceR | then you should have listened to him. | Sep 17 14:44 |
| MinceR | instead of ignoring everything that's uncomfortable to you, as you usually do | Sep 17 14:44 |
| msb__ | In your zeal to deliver rapid-fire personal attacks, you misread what I wrote about xrevan86. | Sep 17 14:45 |
| msb__ | You perceived the opposite of what I wrote. | Sep 17 14:46 |
| MinceR | you apparently also have reading comprehension issues | Sep 17 14:47 |
| MinceR | why fight putin's information war for him? what's in it for you? | Sep 17 14:48 |
| msb__ | I should have said above, 700,000 Ukrainians fleeing to Russia to escape the Ukrainian Nazi regime. They are not all from Crimea. | Sep 17 14:48 |
| MinceR | they're more likely to be escaping the hellish conditions the russians imposed on ukraine | Sep 17 14:49 |
| msb__ | I'm telling the truth. Which I find from many sources, not just RT. I've listed some of them here before. | Sep 17 14:49 |
| MinceR | no, you're telling putin's propaganda | Sep 17 14:49 |
| MinceR | and yes, many sources repeat the bullshit from RT uncritically | Sep 17 14:49 |
| MinceR | like your beloved global"research" | Sep 17 14:49 |
| MinceR | which supports every bit of woo and conspiracy theory out there | Sep 17 14:49 |
| msb__ | I suggest to anyone reading MinceR's rants that you look at http://globalresearch.ca/ yourself. It has articles by people from many different nations, | Sep 17 14:51 |
| MinceR | yes, they really should | Sep 17 14:51 |
| MinceR | http://www.globalresearch.ca/chemtrails-the-consequences-of-toxic-metals-and-chemical-aerosols-on-human-health/19047 | Sep 17 14:51 |
| MinceR | http://www.globalresearch.ca/chemtrails-a-planetary-catastrophe-created-by-geo-engineering/5355299 | Sep 17 14:51 |
| MinceR | http://www.globalresearch.ca/chemtrails-the-secret-war/5421137 | Sep 17 14:51 |
| MinceR | http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-fda-and-big-pharmas-latest-killer-agenda-destroy-homeopathic-medicine/5455093 | Sep 17 14:52 |
| MinceR | http://www.globalresearch.ca/vaccination-myths-and-truths/14618 | Sep 17 14:52 |
| MinceR | http://www.globalresearch.ca/drug-companies-donated-millions-to-california-lawmakers-prior-to-forced-vaccination-bill/5457393 | Sep 17 14:52 |
| MinceR | http://www.globalresearch.ca/mysterious-death-body-of-doctor-who-linked-vaccines-to-autism-found-floating-in-river/5458983 | Sep 17 14:52 |
| MinceR | wow, what a trustworthy source. | Sep 17 14:52 |
| MinceR | a good fit for putinist propaganda | Sep 17 14:52 |
| msb__ | I haven't read those articles, but from the titles they are accurate, except for the one about homeopathy, which I think doesn't work. | Sep 17 14:53 |
| MinceR | yet you promote this site as an arbiter of truth | Sep 17 14:53 |
| msb__ | As to geoengineering -- chemtrails and HAARP -- this site has a wealth of detailed information: http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/ | Sep 17 14:54 |
| MinceR | if you hate human rights so much, why not move to russia or north korea? | Sep 17 14:54 |
| MinceR | if you think other people don't deserve freedom, why insist on it for yourself? | Sep 17 14:54 |
| msb__ | To any readers: I'm not able to type fast enough to refute all of MinceR's personal attacks. So please don't think that I accept the ones that I don't answer. | Sep 17 14:56 |
| MinceR | of course, pasting bullshit from RT and global"research" is more pleasant to a putin-worshipper than trying to give answers | Sep 17 14:57 |
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| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Sep 17 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | Yes, the sheriff's department in Habersham County, Georgia (overwhelmingly conservative county) burned a baby's face off and blinded it for life by tossing a flashbang grenade in through the window, which landed in the infant's crib. | Sep 17 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | In the end, they arrested dad, for possession of about an ounce of marijuana. | Sep 17 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | I have a friend in Habersham County. Clarkesville, to be precise. Beautiful place, but I'd never want to live somewhere that conservative, where the Sheriff drives up in an MRAP and blows a baby's face off over a misdemeanor marijuana case. | Sep 17 16:15 |
| MinceR | wow | Sep 17 16:17 |
| MinceR | they really love their new toys, don't they? | Sep 17 16:17 |
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| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Sep 17 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | No medical treatment will make up for the permanent disfigurement and blindness, and any money the family gets will just be taken from other taxpayers because the police don't have any money that belongs to them. | Sep 17 16:31 |
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| msb__ | Although I don't believe in homeopathy, I think that adults should be allowed to use whatever medical techniques they want. Maybe homeopathy works for some people. Rupert Sheldrake has demonstrated that conventional science simply ignores some facts, such as the variability of the speed of light. | Sep 17 16:55 |
| msb__ | But even if globalresearch.ca publishes an article that is incorrect in some ways, that doesn't mean that the rest of its articles are wrong. I do not "promote this site as an arbiter of truth" as MinceR lies. I promote it as an excellent source of information, far more accurate than the USGovt/Corporate mainstream media. | Sep 17 16:57 |
| MinceR | an excellent source of garbage and propaganda | Sep 17 16:58 |
| MinceR | but one's got to stoop so low to find scraps that support putin and his cronies | Sep 17 16:58 |
| msb__ | It certainly disagrees with MinceR's prejudices and obsessions. | Sep 17 16:59 |
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| msb__ | Other than the one on homeopathy, none of the articles that MinceR cited from globalresearch are in doubt. MinceR apparently believes that chemtrails don't exist, and that vaccines never cause harm, and that the recent murders of alternative medical doctors successfully using GcMAF and other techniques to treat cancer and autism should not be investigated. Does he also think that Vitamin C does not cure viral diseases, so antiviral | Sep 17 17:09 |
| msb__ | vaccines should be mandatory? If so, he's wrong. | Sep 17 17:09 |
| MinceR | maybe not in doubt by you | Sep 17 17:10 |
| MinceR | for all the lip service you pay to critical thinking, you accept every single crazy conspiracy theory at face value | Sep 17 17:10 |
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| MinceR | http://english.aawsat.com/2015/06/article55343817/opinion-russia-and-the-danger-of-conspiracy-theories | Sep 17 17:17 |
| msb__ | The matters I have mentioned are not crazy. I have investigated them critically. There is lots of evidence for them. MinceR gives no proof for his rejection of these ideas. | Sep 17 17:18 |
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| MinceR | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eliot-borenstein/why-conspiracy-theories_b_5626149.html | Sep 17 17:26 |
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| DaemonFC | msb__, They should be mandatory. | Sep 17 17:27 |
| msb__ | The aawsat article gives no information, only unproved assertions of Putin's beliefs. | Sep 17 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | if we had today's bumper crop of idiots back in the day, Polio would still be a thing and hospitals full of iron lungs would still be around. | Sep 17 17:27 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Many people have been harmed by vaccines, and the ones against viruses are not necessary at all, because vitamin C reliably cures viral infections. | Sep 17 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | No it doesn't. | Sep 17 17:28 |
| MinceR | an article you don't read has no way of giving you information | Sep 17 17:28 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: polio may yet come back | Sep 17 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | In fact, one cold remedy with vitamin C and zinc was found to damage the sense of smell, permanently. | Sep 17 17:29 |
| MinceR | msb__ and his comrades are fighting for its case | Sep 17 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, msb__ should go to that hospital museum I was in a few weeks ago. | Sep 17 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | They have a working iron lung there. | Sep 17 17:29 |
| MinceR | the age of reason has ended, welcome to the new dark ages | Sep 17 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | He can tell me if he'd like to be inside of it and unable to breathe on his own. | Sep 17 17:30 |
| MinceR | he's always exempted | Sep 17 17:30 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Interesting that you should mention polio. Vitamin C cured it but was ignored. Please read: http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/199x/landwehr-r-j_orthomol_med-1991-v6-n2-p99.htm | Sep 17 17:30 |
| MinceR | everyone should be killed by putin's nukes, but not him | Sep 17 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | There's a few people left in iron lungs from when Polio was common in the US. | Sep 17 17:30 |
| MinceR | everyone should be oppressed by putin and his pals from the KGB, but not him | Sep 17 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | But they're so old that most of them have died of old age. | Sep 17 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | It's like maybe a dozen in the entire country compared to a dozen in nearly every hospital in the 40s. | Sep 17 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather be immune than get something terrible and take vitamin C, which doesn't work. | Sep 17 17:32 |
| MinceR | sure, but msb__ wants you to die instead | Sep 17 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | There's all sorts of supposed AIDS cures in folk medicine as well. Most of the people who took them instead of medicine are dead now. | Sep 17 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | AIDS denial turned out to be a self-correcting problem to a large extent, when most of them ended up dying of AIDS. | Sep 17 17:33 |
| msb__ | Of thousands of alternative medical remedies, that one that involved swabbing the nose with zinc, and one preparation of tryptophan, were found to be harmful. Only those two. | Sep 17 17:33 |
| MinceR | homeopathy was found to be as effective as placebo | Sep 17 17:33 |
| MinceR | (which homeopathy is, of course) | Sep 17 17:33 |
| msb__ | A classic from MinceR: "but msb__ wants you to die". He is really a major sicko. | Sep 17 17:34 |
| MinceR | yeah, the guy who wants everyone to be tortured to death by putin is not a sicko | Sep 17 17:34 |
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| MinceR | the guy who wants to bring back all sorts of diseases is not a sicko | Sep 17 17:34 |
| MinceR | the guy who promotes every conspiracy theory all the time while mouthing off about critical thinking is not a hypocrite | Sep 17 17:35 |
| MinceR | the guy who wants everyone to be ruled by putin but not himself is not a hypocrite | Sep 17 17:35 |
| MinceR | right? | Sep 17 17:35 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: "I'd rather be immune than get something terrible and take vitamin C, which doesn't work" The problem is, many vaccines contain substances like mercury and aluminum which are neurotoxic, and cause terrible harm to some people. Also, Vitamin C does work. I hope you read the article about polio. | Sep 17 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | Well, modern medicine is responsible for the life expectancy enjoyed in the western world. | Sep 17 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | The average Russian is doing good to make it to 62. The life expectancy for someone born this year in the US is like 83. | Sep 17 17:36 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Have you now read it? | Sep 17 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, many Russians smoke and consume a lot of alcohol, which would indicate that their quality of life is low and they make up for it by drugging themselves. | Sep 17 17:37 |
| MinceR | if msb__ had any clue about chemistry, he would realize that the properties of compounds are not determined solely by the elements they're composed of | Sep 17 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | Vladimir Putin implemented price controls on vodka so they could keep getting themselves drunk while his policies are destroying their lives. | Sep 17 17:37 |
| msb__ | Mercury is always poisonous. | Sep 17 17:37 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Interesting that you should mention polio. Vitamin C cured it but was ignored. Please read: http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/199x/landwehr-r-j_orthomol_med-1991-v6-n2-p99.htm | Sep 17 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | The fact that the price controls on vodka were one of his first responses suggests that he knows his policies are not good for the average Russian. | Sep 17 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | Unpopular leaders try to fashion themselves into wartime leaders to shore up their popularity. | Sep 17 17:38 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Will you read the seanet article? | Sep 17 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | So he's been annexing territory by force and telling the people who live there that they can either take Russian citizenship or flee and leave their homes behind. | Sep 17 17:39 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Will you read the seanet article? | Sep 17 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | Then they have a vote on how many people want to be Russians, while Russian soldiers stand there with assault rifles watching them vote. | Sep 17 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I wonder how the election will go! :) | Sep 17 17:40 |
| msb__ | I guess not. | Sep 17 17:40 |
| msb__ | Neither of you has given any proof that the Crimean vote was done with gunmen watching the voters. | Sep 17 17:41 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: lol | Sep 17 17:42 |
| MinceR | just like in crimea | Sep 17 17:42 |
| MinceR | msb__: will you read the vox article? | Sep 17 17:43 |
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| msb__ | I already did, and responded to it. | Sep 17 17:44 |
| MinceR | what was your response to it? | Sep 17 17:44 |
| MinceR | wait, let me guess | Sep 17 17:44 |
| MinceR | "CIA propaganda" | Sep 17 17:44 |
| MinceR | did i get it right? | Sep 17 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The Crimea election was about as legitimate as the elections in Nazi Germany. | Sep 17 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I'm not so certain that we have a secret ballot in the US anymore. | Sep 17 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | They scan your driver's license or state ID and it pulls up a thing telling them whether or not you're allowed to vote. | Sep 17 17:46 |
| MinceR | if only hitler called himself stalin and used a hammer and a sickle instead of a swastika, msb__ would worship him too | Sep 17 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | Then they put a key in the voting machine and turn it, which brings up your ballot. | Sep 17 17:46 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, If I'm still in Huntington in 2019, I think I'll run for mayor. | Sep 17 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | No Democrats filed to run this year. | Sep 17 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | If I'm the only one that files, I'm guaranteed to be the nominee. :P | Sep 17 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | I think it could be fun to have the local newspapers asking me questions. | Sep 17 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | "Why are your running?" | Sep 17 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | Well, because the Republicans were the only candidate and I thought I'd give the people one more choice than they have in Communist China. | Sep 17 17:51 |
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| msb__ | MinceR has said today that I worship Hitler, Stalin and Putin, and that I want to enslave, nuke, and kill everyone in the world. He keeps making these statements even though I deny them, and even though he can't provide any proof for them. They are only his total misinterpretations of things I've written. But he keeps on lying about me. Will he ever stop? | Sep 17 18:08 |
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| MinceR | will msb__ ever stop lying about his agenda and about putin? | Sep 17 18:58 |
| MinceR | i guess once msb__'s homeboy manages to nuke humankind out of existence, msb__ will stop | Sep 17 18:58 |
| msb__ | And yet it's MinceR who has said that most people are worthless and that he would like to hurt and kill a lot of them. | Sep 17 19:20 |
| MinceR | there's no need to | Sep 17 19:20 |
| MinceR | they'll exterminate themselves | Sep 17 19:20 |
| MinceR | in exactly the way msb__ wishes it to happen | Sep 17 19:20 |
| msb__ | On the other hand, I have presented information from David Korten, Riane Eisler and others about the origins of humanity's problems and how they can be fixed, so that people will stop harming one another. MinceR won't watch the Korten video. | Sep 17 19:22 |
| MinceR | also, msb__ is lying and putting words in my mouth | Sep 17 19:23 |
| MinceR | as one would expect from a putin propagandist russo-wanker | Sep 17 19:23 |
| msb__ | What words have I put in your mouth? | Sep 17 19:23 |
| MinceR | that i would like to hurt and kill a lot of people | Sep 17 19:25 |
| MinceR | and that i won't watch the korten video | Sep 17 19:25 |
| msb__ | When are you going to watch it? | Sep 17 19:25 |
| msb__ | You said you needed a lot of killbots. | Sep 17 19:25 |
| MinceR | when i have time to watch them | Sep 17 19:26 |
| MinceR | it would take a large army to guarantee my freedom and safety | Sep 17 19:26 |
| MinceR | especially against your idols. | Sep 17 19:26 |
| msb__ | Do you think people are out to get you? | Sep 17 19:27 |
| msb__ | You're afraid to reveal your name, age, or e-mail address. | Sep 17 19:28 |
| MinceR | i know people are out to get me | Sep 17 19:28 |
| MinceR | a minority of those people even admit this publicly | Sep 17 19:29 |
| msb__ | Who are those people? | Sep 17 19:29 |
| MinceR | mostly fascists | Sep 17 19:30 |
| MinceR | putin is one of them | Sep 17 19:30 |
| MinceR | there are plenty of religious fundamentalists who would kill me as well | Sep 17 19:30 |
| MinceR | then again, putin is also a religious fundamentalist | Sep 17 19:31 |
| msb__ | They know you personally? | Sep 17 19:31 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirill_I_of_Moscow#Relations_with_the_State | Sep 17 19:31 |
| MinceR | no | Sep 17 19:31 |
| MinceR | they don't need to for them to wish me to suffer and die | Sep 17 19:31 |
| MinceR | for many of them it's enough that i don't share their worship of their invisible friends | Sep 17 19:31 |
| MinceR | or that i don't want to be enslaved by them | Sep 17 19:31 |
| MinceR | or both | Sep 17 19:31 |
| msb__ | With the way you feel about people, it's likely that you're suffering already. | Sep 17 19:32 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 17 19:34 |
| MinceR | but for people like you, that can hardly be enough | Sep 17 19:34 |
| MinceR | and there still are a few human rights left to destroy | Sep 17 19:34 |
| msb__ | I don't want you to be unhappy. I've been trying to give you information showing that humans are not inherently worthless as you say they are. But you won't access the information. | Sep 17 19:37 |
| MinceR | do you think that finding myself again under russian fascist oppression would make me happy? | Sep 17 19:37 |
| msb__ | obviously not | Sep 17 19:38 |
| MinceR | do you think that living and starving in nuclear winter would make me happy? | Sep 17 19:39 |
| msb__ | But viewing and understanding the Korten video, and reading The Chalice and the Blade might make you happy. | Sep 17 19:39 |
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| MinceR | will that bring back the Age of Reason? | Sep 17 19:42 |
| MinceR | will that bring back the Long Peace? | Sep 17 19:42 |
| msb__ | If enough people learn about those things then it will. | Sep 17 19:44 |
| MinceR | when will putin and his cadre learn about those things? | Sep 17 19:45 |
| msb__ | What is the Long Peace? | Sep 17 19:46 |
| MinceR | the period between ww2 and the second cold war | Sep 17 19:46 |
| MinceR | see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Better_Angels_of_Our_Nature | Sep 17 19:46 |
| msb__ | When enough people learn about those ideas, they will become current and Putin will learn about them. | Sep 17 19:47 |
| MinceR | will that make him give up his ambitions for omnicide? | Sep 17 19:47 |
| MinceR | and what about the other fundies? | Sep 17 19:47 |
| msb__ | We'll just have to spread those ideas and see. They are the only thing that can save us. | Sep 17 19:49 |
| MinceR | maybe the biosphere of the earth will survive the extinction of humans and gets intelligent life right next time | Sep 17 19:50 |
| msb__ | I would add to Pinker's values the ability to examine one's own mind and to learn where we have acquired our beliefs from. | Sep 17 19:51 |
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| msb__ | Psychopathy is a very simple and obvious individual-survival trait. So it may evolve inevitably. Thus what we need are defenses against it. The most important is self-observation and self-guiding. | Sep 17 19:53 |
| MinceR | it's also a simple and obvious collective extinction trait, especially if the psychopath has nukes and doesn't care about his own survival | Sep 17 19:57 |
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| msb__ | I think they do care about their own survival and their family's. Otherwise we'd be blown up already. So if people can learn about human nature, we should be able to eliminate the nukes. | Sep 17 20:07 |
| MinceR | fundies of abrahamic religions don't | Sep 17 20:07 |
| MinceR | because they believe that this life doesn't matter and they get rewarded in the afterlife if they die | Sep 17 20:07 |
| MinceR | and they believe that their enemies will go to hell and be punished if they die | Sep 17 20:08 |
| MinceR | i wonder if this is putin's reason | Sep 17 20:08 |
| MinceR | or he's simply too psychotic to understand where he's going | Sep 17 20:08 |
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| MinceR | perhaps he believes his own fascistic posturing and has no doubt everyone will just capitulate | Sep 17 20:11 |
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| XRevan86 | Damn, Windows 10 doesn't violate Russian Federation law about information security because EULA. | Sep 18 14:53 |
| XRevan86 | Source: http://rapsinews.ru/incident_news/20150918/274582334.html | Sep 18 14:54 |
| XRevan86 | That doesn't really make much sense. | Sep 18 14:55 |
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| msb__ | MS must have lots of lawyers, probably more lawyers than programmers. | Sep 18 16:06 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 18 16:33 |
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| msb__ | Regarding the idea that RT is "Putin propaganda", one of the journalists on this program said that Putin is responsible for the 8,000 people of The Donbass (another east Ukraine region that wants to join Russia) that the Nazi Ukrainian govt murdered, because Putin said three times that he would be responsible for the safety of the people in the Donbass, and that led them to peacefully request separation, whereupon the Nazis began | Sep 18 17:41 |
| msb__ | shelling them. http://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/315813-kiev-regime-minsk-agreement/ | Sep 18 17:41 |
| msb__ | The Nazi Ukraine government has also banned the leaders of The Donbass -- with whom they're supposed to be negotiating, according to the Minsk agreement -- from entering the country, along with about 600 others, including hundreds of journalists from BBC, AFP, etc., on the grounds of "national security" (IOW they wrote stories unfavorable to the Nazi regime). | Sep 18 17:48 |
| msb__ | I should have added that the journalist on the RT show said that after the Kiev Nazis began attacking the Donbass, Putin did nothing to stop them | Sep 18 17:55 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Litvinenko_poisoning | Sep 18 18:38 |
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| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55izx6rbCqg | Sep 18 18:40 |
| msb__ | Looks like the killer(s) of Litvinenko have not been identified. "in one way or another the Russian state is involved" is totally vague. | Sep 18 18:59 |
| msb__ | As to the RT person who resigned, apparently she was the one who said that "Russian intervention in Crimea is wrong". Well she was incorrect -- the Russian intervention to annex Crimea after its citizens had overwhelmingly voted for it, to escape the Nazi regime that the US had installed in Ukraine, was absolutely right, and it should have annexed The Donbass as well. So she was lying, and RT is much better off without her. I | Sep 18 19:03 |
| msb__ | wonder if the CIA got her in there just to embarass RT at some point. | Sep 18 19:04 |
| msb__ | Regarding her claim that "RT whitewashes the actions of Putin", she gave no proof for this whatsoever, and her statement about Crimea indicates that her understanding of politics is so erroneous that her opinion is worthless. | Sep 18 19:09 |
| MinceR | blah blah blah putin should be allowed to rule the world, blah blah blah everyone who opposes him is lying | Sep 18 19:14 |
| MinceR | blah blah blah every conspiracy theory ever conceived is literally true, especially if they contradict each other | Sep 18 19:15 |
| msb__ | Litvinenko was supporting Boris Berezovsky, one of the "oligarchs" who got rich when Boris Yeltsin, acting as an agent of the US, wrecked the Russian economy by selling off Russian state assets at 10% of their value. See Chapter 11 of The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism by Naomi Klein. | Sep 18 19:22 |
| msb__ | "Litvinenko's father, now residing in Italy, believes Boris Berezovsky and Alexander Goldfarb were behind the murder." | Sep 18 19:22 |
| MinceR | so the rightful punishment for supporting the wrong oligarch is execution by polonium poisoning. got it. | Sep 18 19:23 |
| MinceR | so much for Mr Killing-People-Is-Wrong. | Sep 18 19:23 |
| msb__ | MinceR's fantasy about what I said is totally incorrect. I simply said that the killer(s) of Litvinenko have not been identified, and that Litvinenko's father believes that criminal oligarch Boris Berezovsky killed him. These statements are from the wikipedia article that MinceR cited. | Sep 18 19:26 |
| MinceR | by the way, does putin know that msb__ is not following the official state religion? | Sep 18 19:27 |
| MinceR | you're supposed to worship yahweh, not putin | Sep 18 19:27 |
| MinceR | (then again, maybe they're believed to be the same person) | Sep 18 19:27 |
| msb__ | You're funny! (sometimes) | Sep 18 19:28 |
| msb__ | Regarding yahweh, there was a christian sect called the Cathars, who believed that the god of the old iestament was really the devil Satan, who had created the world as a prison, and demanded from the "prisoners" fearful obedience and worship. This false god was in reality a blind usurper who under the most false pretexts, tormented and murdered those whom he called, all too possessively, "his children". I like these ideas (as | Sep 18 19:48 |
| msb__ | metaphor). The Cathars were all murdered by the Catholic church in the 13th and 14th century. | Sep 18 19:48 |
| MinceR | religion poisons everything | Sep 18 19:49 |
| msb__ | A few religions are interesting and/or beneficial. Catharism is interesting and Wicca is both. | Sep 18 19:49 |
| MinceR | religion can be interesting even if you don't believe in it | Sep 18 19:50 |
| msb__ | The JCI religions _do_ poison everything. | Sep 18 19:50 |
| msb__ | Yes. | Sep 18 19:50 |
| XRevan86 | Religion is never beneficial, it can only be harmless at most. | Sep 18 19:50 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 18 19:51 |
| msb__ | Wicca is beneficial. I've attended the celebrations of several variants. It has a very positive view of humanity, does not demand worship of any kind, encourages people to help one another. It provides a good metaphor for living, a story, to use David Korten's term. It's for the associative/dreaming/lyrical mind (right-brain), which is as important for happy living as the sequential/logical mind. | Sep 18 19:55 |
| MinceR | a positive view of humanity is probably delusional | Sep 18 19:58 |
| msb__ | MinceR and XRevan86: please watch the David Korten video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPiZJ5N9TkY | Sep 18 19:58 |
| msb__ | A negative view of humanity is depressive, self-defeating, and in a way suicidal. | Sep 18 19:59 |
| MinceR | humanity itself is suicidal, so it fits | Sep 18 20:00 |
| msb__ | Speak for yourself. | Sep 18 20:00 |
| XRevan86 | Admitting you have a problem is the first step in fixing the problem. | Sep 18 20:00 |
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| msb__ | MinceR, XRevan86: This is the problem and the solution. Extensively revised, but I still have to put in the links. http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html | Sep 18 22:10 |
| MinceR | humanity resists the solution | Sep 18 22:11 |
| MinceR | but they're rushing towards another solution: extinction. | Sep 18 22:11 |
| msb__ | It's up to us to broadcast the solution. We are the heroes we've been waiting for. | Sep 18 22:12 |
| MinceR | we're "heroes" without power | Sep 18 22:12 |
| MinceR | and the time is almost up | Sep 18 22:12 |
| msb__ | Some people are conscious enough to understand the solution, and will spread it to others. | Sep 18 22:13 |
| MinceR | the majority will resist it | Sep 18 22:13 |
| msb__ | Our power is the Internet and Free Software. The time is not almost up. We are not in actual danger of nuclear war. We've had The Bomb for 70 years and haven't used it since 1945. | Sep 18 22:14 |
| MinceR | both are dying | Sep 18 22:14 |
| MinceR | redcrap, m$ and crApple are killing free software | Sep 18 22:14 |
| msb__ | The majority will gradually be educated by the minority. | Sep 18 22:15 |
| MinceR | fascists are killing the internet | Sep 18 22:15 |
| MinceR | people resist education | Sep 18 22:15 |
| msb__ | Nobody can stop free software. | Sep 18 22:15 |
| MinceR | religion is stronger than enlightenment | Sep 18 22:15 |
| msb__ | The Internet is doing fine. | Sep 18 22:15 |
| MinceR | for how long? | Sep 18 22:15 |
| MinceR | net neutrality is dying | Sep 18 22:15 |
| MinceR | state content filters are being implemented | Sep 18 22:15 |
| MinceR | freedom of speech is dying | Sep 18 22:15 |
| msb__ | MinceR: You are a severe depression case. You only see negative possibilities and ignore positive ones. | Sep 18 22:16 |
| MinceR | depression is a natural consequence of the state of matters | Sep 18 22:16 |
| MinceR | humanity is not fit to survive | Sep 18 22:16 |
| msb__ | Your perception of the world and of humanity is therefore severely erroneous. | Sep 18 22:16 |
| MinceR | it is only fit to destroy itself and take as much out with itself as possible | Sep 18 22:17 |
| msb__ | Maybe you aren't, but others are. | Sep 18 22:17 |
| MinceR | i don't think i'm dictator material | Sep 18 22:17 |
| MinceR | and democracy is already failing due to people not wanting it | Sep 18 22:17 |
| MinceR | anarchism is a distant dream on a level humanity can't even aspire to reach | Sep 18 22:18 |
| msb__ | Hell, you won't even watch the Korten video to get a little enlightenment. | Sep 18 22:19 |
| msb__ | You're an emotional wreck. | Sep 18 22:19 |
| MinceR | you're looking for people good at persuading others | Sep 18 22:20 |
| MinceR | i'm not such | Sep 18 22:20 |
| msb__ | I've spent 60 years learning about humanity's problems and their solutions, from many researchers. I've given you the answers. If you're not interested, too bad for you. I'll put in the links and put it on my website for everyone. http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html | Sep 18 22:22 |
| MinceR | and yet you support putin, a dictator | Sep 18 22:23 |
| msb__ | I support the good things that he and others are doing. | Sep 18 22:24 |
| MinceR | but on some level that's understandable | Sep 18 22:24 |
| MinceR | it seems most people don't want democracy or anarchism | Sep 18 22:24 |
| MinceR | so they want dictatorship | Sep 18 22:24 |
| msb__ | I don't support the dictatorial things Putin is doing. | Sep 18 22:24 |
| MinceR | putin would give them what they want | Sep 18 22:24 |
| MinceR | they want to be oppressed, they want to suffer, they want to die | Sep 18 22:24 |
| MinceR | putin can do that | Sep 18 22:24 |
| msb__ | MinceR: You have a severe depressive mental illness. You should see a psychologist. | Sep 18 22:25 |
| MinceR | being a realist is a mental illness now? | Sep 18 22:25 |
| MinceR | does putin offer pills that make you enjoy living in a dystopia? | Sep 18 22:25 |
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| msb__ | You are _not_ a realist. Your view of reality is severely distorted. | Sep 18 22:26 |
| MinceR | "There is no salvation in becoming adapted to a world which is crazy." - Henry Miller | Sep 18 22:27 |
| msb__ | Humanity is making progress. Jeremy Corbyn and Bernie Sanders are very popular. The Internet is working! | Sep 18 22:28 |
| MinceR | yes, progress | Sep 18 22:28 |
| MinceR | but in what direction? | Sep 18 22:28 |
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| MinceR | the internet is being closed down, human rights are becoming extinct, there is a war on the general purpose computer | Sep 18 22:29 |
| msb__ | In the direction that humanitarian politicians are becoming very popular. With the very majority that you claim is uneducable. | Sep 18 22:29 |
| MinceR | oppression and surveillance are celebrated | Sep 18 22:29 |
| MinceR | what humanitarian politicians, where? | Sep 18 22:29 |
| msb__ | Only by you. | Sep 18 22:29 |
| MinceR | is orban a humanitarian? is putin a humanitarian? | Sep 18 22:30 |
| msb__ | Jeremy Corbyn and Bernie Sanders, UK and US. | Sep 18 22:30 |
| MinceR | they probably won't win | Sep 18 22:30 |
| MinceR | i'd wait until the elections are over to pronounce a verdict on their becoming very popular | Sep 18 22:31 |
| msb__ | Corbyn has already won. He's the head of the Labour Party. | Sep 18 22:32 |
| MinceR | but will he be PM? | Sep 18 22:32 |
| msb__ | In any case, they are quite popular and their ideas are being broadcast. | Sep 18 22:32 |
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| MinceR | is that popularity enough to beat their fascist competitors? | Sep 18 22:32 |
| msb__ | Maybe not, but he will still have influence. | Sep 18 22:32 |
| MinceR | hell, Sanders is still up against such opposition in his own party | Sep 18 22:33 |
| MinceR | unless they win, that influence will be drowned out by the voices of those who want oppression | Sep 18 22:33 |
| MinceR | even if they win, that threat remains | Sep 18 22:33 |
| msb__ | Their ideas spread even if they don't win. | Sep 18 22:33 |
| msb__ | MinceR: You have a severe mental illness. See a psychologist. Watch the Korten video. Smoke some cannabis. | Sep 18 22:34 |
| MinceR | smoking cannabis won't kill putin or orban | Sep 18 22:35 |
| msb__ | It may help your depression. | Sep 18 22:35 |
| MinceR | smoking cannabis won't make botnets and spyware uncool | Sep 18 22:35 |
| MinceR | it would help the authorities of nazi hungary oppress me | Sep 18 22:35 |
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| msb__ | You are oppressing yourself more than any outside influence. | Sep 18 22:36 |
| msb__ | Here we are at what will hopefully be the Great Turning of humanity, and all you're doing is whining about negative things and ignoring all the positive ones. Get a fucking grip man! | Sep 18 22:38 |
| MinceR | i did get a grip | Sep 18 22:39 |
| msb__ | Eat some chocolate. Watch a good movie. Snuggle a cat. | Sep 18 22:39 |
| MinceR | and i saw things i wished i didn't see | Sep 18 22:39 |
| MinceR | the concrete box i'm trying to live in is unsuitable for cats to live in | Sep 18 22:39 |
| msb__ | Get two of them so they have fun together. Then the small space won't matter. | Sep 18 22:40 |
| msb__ | Do you have a mate? Love and orgasms would help you feel better. | Sep 18 22:42 |
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| MinceR | no | Sep 18 22:42 |
| MinceR | all these things you listed are merely distractions anyway | Sep 18 22:43 |
| msb__ | The beginning of Wilhelm Reich's discovery of the Emotional Plague was when he was treating a neurotic with standard Freudian therapy, and the guy got a girlfriend and started having sex, and his symptoms disappeared! | Sep 18 22:45 |
| MinceR | and yet the world is still going to shit | Sep 18 22:46 |
| msb__ | You need to do things to get rid of your depression. I don't recommend SSRI drugs because they're addictive. | Sep 18 22:46 |
| MinceR | nothing i can do will make the root cause go away | Sep 18 22:46 |
| msb__ | The world is also improving in some ways. | Sep 18 22:47 |
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| MinceR | "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." - Jiddu Krishnamurti | Sep 18 22:47 |
| msb__ | The root cause is that you spend your time obsessing about Putin and Orban when you could be doing other, positive, things. | Sep 18 22:48 |
| MinceR | no, the root cause is that i'm trapped in a society that is obsessed with stupidity for the sake of stupidity and evil for the sake of evil | Sep 18 22:48 |
| msb__ | Society is sick in some ways, but it's also getting better. You need to do the same. | Sep 18 22:48 |
| msb__ | Kill for the love of killing! Kill for the love of Kali Linux! | Sep 18 22:49 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 18 22:49 |
| MinceR | perhaps the best thing humanity can manage to do is to develop a strong AI that can survive the human species | Sep 18 22:50 |
| msb__ | Yeah, what could possibly go wrong with that? | Sep 18 22:51 |
| MinceR | compared to the human species itself, nothing | Sep 18 22:51 |
| msb__ | I'll bet you didn't even read the new version of my Cause and Cure page, which I spent hours on today, did you? | Sep 18 22:53 |
| MinceR | well, if you wrote it today, i didn't read it | Sep 18 22:53 |
| msb__ | Then read it. | Sep 18 22:53 |
| msb__ | http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html | Sep 18 22:54 |
| MinceR | at least a strong AI can improve itself | Sep 18 22:55 |
| MinceR | apparently the human species can't | Sep 18 22:55 |
| MinceR | i've read this before | Sep 18 23:07 |
| msb__ | I've added a lot. | Sep 18 23:08 |
| msb__ | If I found an IRC channel for help with depression, would you access it? | Sep 18 23:08 |
| MinceR | probably not | Sep 18 23:09 |
| MinceR | symptomatic treatment is usually not my thing | Sep 18 23:09 |
| msb__ | Your problem is that you're obsessively focussing your attention on negative things. | Sep 18 23:10 |
| msb__ | That's what's causing your symptoms. | Sep 18 23:10 |
| MinceR | my problem is that i observe the reality i'm living in? | Sep 18 23:11 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't have it any other way | Sep 18 23:11 |
| msb__ | No, it's that you observe only narrowly selected parts of reality. | Sep 18 23:11 |
| msb__ | Do you have enough food to eat? Water to drink? | Sep 18 23:13 |
| msb__ | Putin and Orban aren't actually doing anything to you right now. | Sep 18 23:13 |
| msb__ | You have good computer access. | Sep 18 23:13 |
| MinceR | that's probably false | Sep 18 23:13 |
| msb__ | Are you physically ill? | Sep 18 23:13 |
| MinceR | they're both plotting my painful death | Sep 18 23:14 |
| msb__ | What's false? | Sep 18 23:14 |
| msb__ | They don't even know you! | Sep 18 23:14 |
| MinceR | or maybe orban is sucking putin down at this moment | Sep 18 23:14 |
| MinceR | they know enough about me to desire my death | Sep 18 23:14 |
| MinceR | i support their opposition | Sep 18 23:14 |
| MinceR | i support democracy and liberty | Sep 18 23:15 |
| MinceR | that's sufficient to make them hate me | Sep 18 23:15 |
| msb__ | Alright, you're a bull-goose looney and you want to stay that way. My condolences. I seem to be wasting my time with you, so I'll wish you well and do something else. | Sep 18 23:17 |
| MinceR | uh huh | Sep 18 23:20 |
| MinceR | it takes a huge leap to realize that putin and orban hate people who oppose them and wish to harm them | Sep 18 23:20 |
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| MinceR | http://existentialcomics.com/comic/19 | Sep 19 02:07 |
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| msb__ | MinceR: Have you ever thought of emigrating to the West -- maybe Canada? | Sep 19 03:09 |
| msb__ | You'd be far from Putin and Orban. | Sep 19 03:10 |
| MinceR | i have | Sep 19 03:10 |
| MinceR | but currently i lack the funds to do so reliably | Sep 19 03:10 |
| MinceR | also, no spot on this planet would be safe from the nuclear apocalypse putin is trying to trigger. | Sep 19 03:10 |
| MinceR | also, i realized canada no longer has rule of law, thanks to harper. | Sep 19 03:11 |
| msb__ | But 2 of your 3 catastrophic fantasies would be gone. | Sep 19 03:11 |
| cubexyz | we're having an election soon | Sep 19 03:11 |
| cubexyz | could go NDP or Liberal | Sep 19 03:12 |
| MinceR | http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/05/13/omnibus-budget-bill-rewri_n_7275002.html | Sep 19 03:12 |
| MinceR | it's like he's copying orban | Sep 19 03:12 |
| MinceR | (who's copying putin) | Sep 19 03:12 |
| MinceR | didn't the leader of the "liberal"s recently come out as not really different from harper? | Sep 19 03:12 |
| cubexyz | Trudeau? I doubt that | Sep 19 03:13 |
| cubexyz | they are quite different | Sep 19 03:13 |
| msb__ | That article is only about a tiny part of the legal system. You can't extrapolate from that to " canada no longer has rule of law, thanks to harper" | Sep 19 03:14 |
| MinceR | retroactive lawmaking is not a tiny part of the legal system | Sep 19 03:15 |
| MinceR | it is something that may not exist in a functioning legal system | Sep 19 03:15 |
| MinceR | it is something that completely annuls rule of law and legal certainty | Sep 19 03:15 |
| MinceR | it is impossible to obey laws that do not even exist yet. | Sep 19 03:15 |
| MinceR | retroactive lawmaking punishes you for not obeying laws that even the establishment does not now about yet. | Sep 19 03:16 |
| cubexyz | it's split 30/30/30 with some undecided | Sep 19 03:16 |
| cubexyz | Conservative/Liberal/NDP it's a 3-way race | Sep 19 03:16 |
| cubexyz | good chance Harper will not win | Sep 19 03:16 |
| msb__ | OK. So whatever you do and wherever you go, you're going to seize on some minor fact and hyperbolize and exaggerate it until it's a catastrophe for you. I give up. | Sep 19 03:17 |
| MinceR | http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/06/16/trudeau-mulcair-spar-over-who-is-the-real-anti-harper-walkom.html | Sep 19 03:17 |
| MinceR | "The Liberals voted to support Harper’s most recent anti-terror bill" | Sep 19 03:17 |
| MinceR | some "liberals" | Sep 19 03:17 |
| MinceR | i have yet to see an "anti-terror" law that is not simply an excuse to erode human rights | Sep 19 03:18 |
| msb__ | Fortunately Putin is living under your bed or in your closet, and you can bop him if he tries to get you. | Sep 19 03:18 |
| MinceR | no, he does not | Sep 19 03:18 |
| MinceR | though his entourage did move not too far from here when he did a conjugal visit at orban | Sep 19 03:19 |
| MinceR | (and they locked down half the city, of course) | Sep 19 03:19 |
| MinceR | whenever some big fascists show up in the city, everything is shut down | Sep 19 03:19 |
| MinceR | despite the fact that those assholes could meed _anywhere_ | Sep 19 03:19 |
| MinceR | i'll probably move on the basis of getting a better salary | Sep 19 03:20 |
| MinceR | even if i can't have human rights, at least i can live in lesser squalor | Sep 19 03:20 |
| MinceR | and maybe buy some freedom for myself. | Sep 19 03:20 |
| msb__ | Sounds like a good plan! | Sep 19 03:21 |
| MinceR | s/now/know/; s/meed/meet/ | Sep 19 03:25 |
| cubexyz | I was wondering about 'meed' :) | Sep 19 03:25 |
| MinceR | yeah, typos and misspellings are bad because they cause ambiguity | Sep 19 03:27 |
| MinceR | and i wouldn't call retroactive lawmaking a "minor fact" | Sep 19 03:31 |
| MinceR | especially if the constitutional court or equivalent does nothing to stop it | Sep 19 03:31 |
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| msb__ | MinceR: I've identified three erroneous thinking methods you use to convince yourself that you live in a terrible world: | Sep 19 04:23 |
| msb__ | 1. If something bad might happen, even with a low probability, you assume it _will_ happen. | Sep 19 04:24 |
| msb__ | 2. If something negative occurs, you assume that it will be expanded and exaggerated as much as possible. | Sep 19 04:24 |
| msb__ | 3. If something isn't perfect, you tell yourself that it doesn't exist at all. | Sep 19 04:24 |
| msb__ | MinceR: I can give quotes from you in the last hour or two to illustrate each of those. | Sep 19 04:26 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Here's another: 4. You describe what you assume are people's bad intentions, as if they are directed against you personally. That causes your associative mind, which takes statements literally, to become very frightened. | Sep 19 04:30 |
| msb__ | MinceR: There is an entire branch of psychology -- Rational-Emotive Therapy -- that's based on the tremendous effect that the things you say to yourself have on your emotions. If you make your internal statements more accurate, and eliminate some negative ones altogether, you will find yourself feeling much better. | Sep 19 04:37 |
| msb__ | http://albertellis.org/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Ellis | Sep 19 04:40 |
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| msb__ | MinceR: Here's a quick introduction to Rational Emotive Therapy: http://www.rational.org.nz/prof-docs/Intro-CBT.pdf | Sep 19 05:40 |
| msb__ | I've used RET myself, and found it very effective. | Sep 19 05:44 |
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| MinceR | msb__: people's intentions don't have to be directed against me personally. it's enough if they're directed against a group i'm a member of. | Sep 19 13:45 |
| msb__ | but you still worry about them far more than is justified | Sep 19 13:46 |
| msb__ | have to go to bathroom now, back in about 30 minutes. Not trying to avoid you! | Sep 19 13:47 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR, msb__: What're you talking about? :) | Sep 19 13:47 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: msb__ is confusing being a realist with being pessimist | Sep 19 13:49 |
| MinceR | s/pessimist/depressed/ | Sep 19 13:49 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Religious stuff again? | Sep 19 13:49 |
| MinceR | not entirely | Sep 19 13:49 |
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| msb__ | MinceR: back now | Sep 19 14:26 |
| msb__ | XRevan86: I wrote a list of thinking errors that's causing MinceR to be depressed. It's a shame you don't have scrollback so you can't see it. | Sep 19 14:27 |
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| MinceR | msb__'s proposed solution for being depressed by the state of the world is to distract and delude oneself about it | Sep 19 14:28 |
| msb__ | MinceR: If the probability of a bad event is very low, then worrying about it constantly is pessimism, not realism. | Sep 19 14:28 |
| MinceR | who said it was low? | Sep 19 14:28 |
| msb__ | For example WW3. US and Russia have been threatening each other for 70 years and it hasn't happened. | Sep 19 14:29 |
| MinceR | things have changed recently | Sep 19 14:30 |
| msb__ | 1. If something bad might happen, even with a low probability, you assume it _will_ happen. | Sep 19 14:31 |
| msb__ | 2. If something negative occurs, you assume that it will be expanded and exaggerated as much as possible. | Sep 19 14:31 |
| msb__ | 3. If something isn't perfect, you tell yourself that it doesn't exist at all. | Sep 19 14:31 |
| msb__ | 4. You describe what you assume are people's bad intentions, as if they are directed against you personally. That causes your associative mind, which takes statements literally, to become very frightened. | Sep 19 14:31 |
| msb__ | US is attacking Russa via Ukraine Nazi coup. But that is very far from nuclear war. | Sep 19 14:33 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Did you read that pdf about RET? | Sep 19 14:34 |
| MinceR | what's putin threatening with is far closer to nuclear war | Sep 19 14:34 |
| MinceR | dunno | Sep 19 14:34 |
| msb__ | http://www.rational.org.nz/prof-docs/Intro-CBT.pdf | Sep 19 14:35 |
| msb__ | What is Putin threatening with? | Sep 19 14:36 |
| MinceR | nuclear escalation | Sep 19 14:36 |
| MinceR | and nuking european states | Sep 19 14:36 |
| msb__ | Israel has threatened that. Where has Putin threatened it? | Sep 19 14:37 |
| MinceR | i've already linked to articles about it, but you ignored them because they say bad things about putin | Sep 19 14:39 |
| XRevan86 | Putin threatened with a nuke? | Sep 19 14:39 |
| msb__ | BTW here is page about CIA influence on Western media: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird | Sep 19 14:40 |
| MinceR | http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-threatens-to-use-nuclear-force-over-crimea-and-the-baltic-states-10150565.html | Sep 19 14:42 |
| MinceR | http://www.vox.com/2015/6/29/8858909/russia-war-flowchart | Sep 19 14:43 |
| MinceR | http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/russia-issues-nuclear-threat-over-crimea-baltic-states-1494675 | Sep 19 14:43 |
| MinceR | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11547247/Europe-faces-a-real-threat-from-Russia-warns-US-army-commander.html | Sep 19 14:44 |
| MinceR | even denmark is being threatened | Sep 19 14:44 |
| MinceR | "Meanwhile, Russia has been flying its nuclear-capable strategic bombers along NATO airspace, often with the planes' transponders switched off, making an accident or misperception more likely. As if that weren't dangerous enough, the bombers — hulking, decades-old Tupolev Tu-95 models — have become prone to accidents such as engine fires. What if a Tu-95 went down unexpectedly, say, off the coast of Norway? What if it was carrying nuclear warhe | Sep 19 14:45 |
| MinceR | -- http://www.vox.com/2015/6/29/8845913/russia-war | Sep 19 14:45 |
| msb__ | Nukes don't detonate if a plane crashes. | Sep 19 14:46 |
| MinceR | they merely release fallout | Sep 19 14:46 |
| MinceR | which is great | Sep 19 14:46 |
| msb__ | Very little. | Sep 19 14:46 |
| MinceR | but it doesn't matter to you because you don't live there | Sep 19 14:46 |
| MinceR | and you've already dehumanized non-russians | Sep 19 14:46 |
| msb__ | The bomb core is solid metal. Fallout is fine particles in the air. | Sep 19 14:47 |
| MinceR | they're expendable in the pursuit of the glory of the russian empire to you | Sep 19 14:47 |
| MinceR | and to putler as well | Sep 19 14:47 |
| MinceR | i'm sure a bomb could not be damaged in a plane crash | Sep 19 14:47 |
| MinceR | apparently plane crashes can't damage anything | Sep 19 14:47 |
| MinceR | they're like nerf darts | Sep 19 14:47 |
| msb__ | Now you're exaggerating -- Straw Man fallacy | Sep 19 14:48 |
| MinceR | fallacy fallacy | Sep 19 14:48 |
| msb__ | yes yes | Sep 19 14:48 |
| MinceR | http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420510/putin-wields-nuclear-threat-and-plays-fire-keith-b-payne | Sep 19 14:48 |
| MinceR | http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/16/us-russia-nuclear-putin-idUSKBN0OW17X20150616 | Sep 19 14:48 |
| msb__ | The Reuters article says that the US is moving heavy weapons to Russia's border, and Putin's threats are a response to that. | Sep 19 14:53 |
| MinceR | which of those heavy weapons is nuclear? | Sep 19 14:53 |
| msb__ | The US agressed against Russia by installing a Nazi govt in Ukraine. That's what started all this, not Putin. You keep ignoring that. | Sep 19 14:54 |
| MinceR | that's bullshit and you're also ignoring the point | Sep 19 14:54 |
| MinceR | the only one issuing nuclear threats is putin | Sep 19 14:54 |
| MinceR | so if the sky gets dark for 8 years over there in the usa, and you can't get food and starve to death, you can know it was because of the fascist asshole you worship and advertise here every day | Sep 19 14:55 |
| MinceR | and yet when i say humans tend to want to become extinct, you say i'm depressed | Sep 19 14:55 |
| XRevan86 | This is not really bullshit. NATO is caging Russia for a fact, and guess who doesn't like that. | Sep 19 14:56 |
| MinceR | at least the NATO doesn't force its own regime and rulers on its allies | Sep 19 14:56 |
| MinceR | and the NATO doesn't annex regions it fancies | Sep 19 14:56 |
| XRevan86 | Libya wasn't an ally, that makes sense. | Sep 19 14:56 |
| MinceR | guess who forcibly introduced state socialism on the region that was allocated to them by the great powers after ww2 | Sep 19 14:57 |
| MinceR | that's right, russia | Sep 19 14:57 |
| MinceR | not the usa | Sep 19 14:57 |
| MinceR | not any other nato member | Sep 19 14:57 |
| MinceR | guess who quelled revolutions against that regime | Sep 19 14:57 |
| MinceR | that's right, fucking russia again | Sep 19 14:58 |
| MinceR | and yet not a day goes by without msb__ saying how the USA and the NATO is the devil | Sep 19 14:58 |
| XRevan86 | Shock therapy: an enforcing of market economy at a very fast rate | Sep 19 14:58 |
| msb__ | MinceR: STOP THE PERSONAL ATTACKS. | Sep 19 14:58 |
| MinceR | enforcing a command economy wasn't even "therapy" | Sep 19 14:58 |
| XRevan86 | was done by NATO to its allies lots of times | Sep 19 14:58 |
| MinceR | it was merely the destruction of all economies in the eastern bloc | Sep 19 14:59 |
| MinceR | including that of hungary and the baltic states | Sep 19 14:59 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Exactly like "shock therapy" | Sep 19 14:59 |
| MinceR | luckily it also destroyed the economy of the ussr | Sep 19 14:59 |
| XRevan86 | that's how conversion is done | Sep 19 14:59 |
| MinceR | so those assholes took their military out of these countries | Sep 19 14:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Cuba's GNU/Linux http://t.co/StfQ84FE3z | Sep 19 14:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 19 14:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ntnix | Sep 19 14:59 |
| MinceR | but now they're coming back | Sep 19 14:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Snapdeal Reveals Dedicated Website for | Sep 19 14:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu-Powered Devices http://t.co/vUL0qZxMVu | Sep 19 14:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 19 14:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ntniy | Sep 19 14:59 |
| MinceR | and msb__ is cheering them on from his armchair in the usa | Sep 19 14:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat: API layer is the key to successful | Sep 19 14:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | microservices http://t.co/uGErSnUDby | Sep 19 14:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.v3.co.uk) | Sep 19 14:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ntnj0 | Sep 19 14:59 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: This is personal. | Sep 19 15:00 |
| MinceR | what is? | Sep 19 15:00 |
| msb__ | MinceR: STOP THE PERSONAL ATTACKS. | Sep 19 15:00 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: You really think Russia will do something about Hungary? | Sep 19 15:00 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: i do | Sep 19 15:00 |
| XRevan86 | I don't. | Sep 19 15:00 |
| MinceR | i expect our nazis to go to putin for handouts once they finally get hungary kicked out of the eu | Sep 19 15:01 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Your nazis, your problem. | Sep 19 15:01 |
| MinceR | those nazis are | Sep 19 15:01 |
| MinceR | but the other nazis, like the ones in russia, aren't only my problem | Sep 19 15:02 |
| MinceR | even if some people lie to themselves and take drugs to feel better about it, everybody's under threat from putler | Sep 19 15:02 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Nazis in Russia are not powerful, hopefully. | Sep 19 15:03 |
| MinceR | i'd say putler is pretty powerful | Sep 19 15:03 |
| MinceR | considering that he owns the country and all | Sep 19 15:04 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: If you think Russia is Nazi, then it's as Nazi as any other country. | Sep 19 15:04 |
| MinceR | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2291128/ | Sep 19 15:04 |
| MinceR | consider that russia has a lot more nukes than india and pakistan added together | Sep 19 15:05 |
| MinceR | also, iirc the 5 years estimate was upgraded to 8 years more recently, but i can't find it | Sep 19 15:05 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: which part of nazism are you missing there? | Sep 19 15:05 |
| MinceR | the nationalism? | Sep 19 15:05 |
| MinceR | the extreme authoritarianism? | Sep 19 15:05 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The nationalism. | Sep 19 15:06 |
| MinceR | look harder, then | Sep 19 15:06 |
| MinceR | it doesn't get any more nationalist than putin | Sep 19 15:06 |
| MinceR | even when the russians pretended they were called councils, not russians, they were pretty damn nationalistic and imperialistic | Sep 19 15:06 |
| MinceR | that didn't get any better since | Sep 19 15:06 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Nazism serves global corporations Russia does not. You are constantly misusing the word "Nazi". | Sep 19 15:07 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I'll think about that after the usual negro hunt. | Sep 19 15:08 |
| MinceR | i have yet to see a definition of nazism that involves global corporations | Sep 19 15:08 |
| MinceR | msb__: says the guy who paints an entire government "nazi" because there is a small minority of nazis in it | Sep 19 15:08 |
| msb__ | "Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini; | Sep 19 15:09 |
| MinceR | iirc that's a different sense of "corporation" | Sep 19 15:10 |
| MinceR | either way, afaik in russia most big companies are owned by putin or the state or one of putin's pals from the KGB | Sep 19 15:10 |
| MinceR | so there's the "merger of state and corporate power" you're looking for | Sep 19 15:10 |
| msb__ | American fascism serves _global_ corporations. | Sep 19 15:11 |
| MinceR | for example, gazprom had a hand in threatening to shut off gas supply to ukraine and other european countries when it was convenient to putin | Sep 19 15:11 |
| MinceR | putin wishes his corporations were global | Sep 19 15:11 |
| MinceR | and the nuclear winter he will cause _will_ be global | Sep 19 15:12 |
| MinceR | yes, even in the usa, where you believe yourself to be safe from the consequences of your wishes | Sep 19 15:12 |
| msb__ | And european companies shut off trade with russia when US requested it | Sep 19 15:12 |
| MinceR | as they should | Sep 19 15:12 |
| MinceR | trading with russia is toxic to everyone | Sep 19 15:12 |
| msb__ | But gazprom should not? | Sep 19 15:12 |
| MinceR | russia is the aggressor | Sep 19 15:13 |
| MinceR | gazprom is not a victim | Sep 19 15:13 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Double standards. Both sides are doing the same thing, but Russia isn't global. | Sep 19 15:13 |
| XRevan86 | but Russia is the one to blame | Sep 19 15:13 |
| msb__ | US attacked Russia via the coup in Ukraine! | Sep 19 15:13 |
| MinceR | every bit of profit that goes to the russian oligarchs contributes to the global threat | Sep 19 15:13 |
| XRevan86 | not the second to blame %) | Sep 19 15:13 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: no, russia is the only one threatening us all with nukes. | Sep 19 15:13 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: USA don't have to use nukes. | Sep 19 15:13 |
| MinceR | and some minor fundies, but not the USA or the NATO | Sep 19 15:13 |
| msb__ | US attacked Russia via the coup in Ukraine! Before that there was not trouble between US and Russia. | Sep 19 15:14 |
| MinceR | msb__: russia hijacked the government of ukraine, and the people rebelled against that. | Sep 19 15:14 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: What? | Sep 19 15:14 |
| msb__ | The previous govt was elected. | Sep 19 15:14 |
| MinceR | russia also regularly uses hungary as a spy/lobbyist in the NATO and the EU | Sep 19 15:14 |
| XRevan86 | After Ushenko who sucked people elected Yanukovich | Sep 19 15:14 |
| MinceR | msb__: you know who else was elected? hitler. | Sep 19 15:14 |
| XRevan86 | nobody hijacked him | Sep 19 15:14 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Who hijacked Hitler? | Sep 19 15:15 |
| XRevan86 | Russia? | Sep 19 15:15 |
| MinceR | msb__: yet i don't see you openly promoting the principles of nazism | Sep 19 15:15 |
| msb__ | MinceR: so you're saying that elections are irrelevant? | Sep 19 15:15 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: hitler didn't need to be hijacked | Sep 19 15:15 |
| MinceR | msb__: russian-style "elections" are | Sep 19 15:15 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Yanukovich too. | Sep 19 15:15 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Ushenko collapsed Ukrainian economy, and Ukrainians wanted to see the other way. | Sep 19 15:16 |
| MinceR | i bet msb__ wouldn't insist on letting an elected politician filling out his term if the politician didn't happen to be putin's puppet | Sep 19 15:16 |
| XRevan86 | and the other way wasn't of their liking too apparently | Sep 19 15:16 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: well, they're seeing it now | Sep 19 15:16 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Where do you see Russia in this? | Sep 19 15:16 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: behind yanukovych, for example | Sep 19 15:17 |
| msb__ | MinceR: That's another personal attack. If you do one more I will ignore your garbage and never respond to you (but I will keep posting facts that refute your garbage). | Sep 19 15:17 |
| MinceR | also behind the invasion of ukraine | Sep 19 15:17 |
| MinceR | msb__: you have yet to post any facts | Sep 19 15:17 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: And that means… | Sep 19 15:17 |
| MinceR | msb__: all you have is russowanker bullshit | Sep 19 15:17 |
| msb__ | Goodbye, you piece of shit. | Sep 19 15:17 |
| XRevan86 | This is messed up. | Sep 19 15:17 |
| MinceR | msb__: https://www.lleitmotif.net/shop/images/product/1229-saveplanet-520-front.jpg | Sep 19 15:18 |
| XRevan86 | (17:13:00) MinceR: msb__: russia hijacked the government of ukraine, and the people rebelled against that. | Sep 19 15:19 |
| msb__ | They rebelled against it while being machine-gunned by Svoboda/Right-Sector from rooftops. | Sep 19 15:20 |
| XRevan86 | Yanukovych, the elected president who's presidental campaign was pro-Russian, stalled eurointegration, after that the thing happend. | Sep 19 15:20 |
| XRevan86 | Russia didn't bring Yanukovych to power. | Sep 19 15:20 |
| MinceR | msb__: i thought you were ignoring me, you fascist piece of shit | Sep 19 15:20 |
| XRevan86 | Russia didn't bring Ushenko to power, that was colour "revolution" | Sep 19 15:21 |
| msb__ | Experience of impoverished countries like Greece in EU is not good. | Sep 19 15:22 |
| MinceR | luckily, none of that will matter once humanity exterminates itself as msb__ wishes they did | Sep 19 15:23 |
| msb__ | EU, US, IMF push high-interest loans on countries, and when they can't pay back, demand "austerity" -- starving the poor. | Sep 19 15:23 |
| MinceR | poverty won't matter anymore once everybody is dead | Sep 19 15:23 |
| msb__ | XRevan86: You there? | Sep 19 15:28 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: I am. | Sep 19 15:28 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: Russians will kill us all. | Sep 19 15:29 |
| msb__ | Here's the latest version of my history of everything 8*) : http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html | Sep 19 15:29 |
| msb__ | Your comments are welcome! | Sep 19 15:30 |
| msb__ | Here is Western truth-teller Max Keiser on RT telling how high-frequency trading is ripping off US economy and giving the money to the ultra-wealthy. | Sep 19 15:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat: API layer is the key to successful | Sep 19 15:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | microservices http://t.co/tzcI7NEEYO | Sep 19 15:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 19 15:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ntnrw | Sep 19 15:40 |
| MinceR | lol, "truth-teller on RT" | Sep 19 15:40 |
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| __martin__ | XRevan86: happy SFD to you | Sep 19 16:54 |
| XRevan86 | Of my gosh, I forgot. | Sep 19 16:54 |
| XRevan86 | __martin__: Thank you. | Sep 19 16:54 |
| XRevan86 | And the same to all of you :). | Sep 19 16:55 |
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| *__martin__ swapped *buntu 15.10 (w/ bugged unity & compiz) with debian stretch gnome (yeah systemd octopus) | Sep 19 16:55 | |
| __martin__ | XRevan86: ++ | Sep 19 16:55 |
| __martin__ | ..and sorry for not joining that social xmpp conference yet (= | Sep 19 16:55 |
| XRevan86 | __martin__: Compiz is still buggy? %) | Sep 19 16:55 |
| XRevan86 | __martin__: It's GNU social, actually :). | Sep 19 16:55 |
| XRevan86 | Federated microblogging social network previously known as StatusNet, identi.ca, Laconica, etc. %). | Sep 19 16:56 |
| __martin__ | dude :_D https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticConnections && http://www.whizzy.org/2015/09/big-bug-bonanza-16-04-lts/ | Sep 19 17:00 |
| __martin__ | "At the time of writing there are 2680 open bugs for Unity 7 (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bugs) and 1455 for Compiz (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bugs) and 322 for nux, our graphical toolkit (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nux/+bugs)." | Sep 19 17:00 |
| XRevan86 | > 16.04 | Sep 19 17:01 |
| XRevan86 | That's no LTS | Sep 19 17:01 |
| XRevan86 | oh, it is | Sep 19 17:01 |
| XRevan86 | but not a released one %) | Sep 19 17:01 |
| __martin__ | i've read sth about how the GNU social API is ready for GNUnet | Sep 19 17:01 |
| __martin__ | yet GUI for it in form of Conversations app is missing | Sep 19 17:02 |
| __martin__ | or in early-stages | Sep 19 17:02 |
| XRevan86 | __martin__: GNU social API? | Sep 19 17:02 |
| XRevan86 | you mean, the Twitter-compatible one or the Atom based one? | Sep 19 17:02 |
| XRevan86 | Also GNU social already has clients for Android, if that's the question. | Sep 19 17:03 |
| __martin__ | expressed myself wrong; rather the meta-fabric for peer-to-peer communication and similar status service upon it | Sep 19 17:05 |
| __martin__ | is baked into gnunet specs | Sep 19 17:05 |
| __martin__ | (tried myself quitter once) | Sep 19 17:06 |
| __martin__ | anyways, afaict statusnet's successor pump.io and gnu social are either just interoperable/federated or cross-merged right? | Sep 19 17:08 |
| __martin__ | [meta-fabric = layer] :D | Sep 19 17:09 |
| XRevan86 | __martin__: Are you sure it's not Twister? | Sep 19 17:10 |
| XRevan86 | GNU social and pump.io are not peer-to-peer. | Sep 19 17:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AT&T's Chiosi: Unite on Open Source or Suffer | Sep 19 17:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/IOKaT3h0Rm (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 19 17:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ntoem | Sep 19 17:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines ZaReason Zini 1550 tiny Linux desktop PC review | Sep 19 17:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Kbpf8btNbm (liliputing.com) | Sep 19 17:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ntoen | Sep 19 17:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines ZaReason Zini 1550 tiny Linux desktop PC review | Sep 19 17:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/zVd6rf0iL5 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 19 17:10 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ntoer | Sep 19 17:10 |
| XRevan86 | GNU social is a fork of StatusNet, and pump.io is a totally new platform by the StatusNet main developer. | Sep 19 17:11 |
| __martin__ | but isn't that a goal? | Sep 19 17:11 |
| __martin__ | of gnunet... | Sep 19 17:11 |
| XRevan86 | __martin__: I don't really know what gnunet is :). | Sep 19 17:11 |
| __martin__ | to have every person host its own status stream within his device? | Sep 19 17:11 |
| __martin__ | :D | Sep 19 17:11 |
| __martin__ | p2p decentralization framework | Sep 19 17:12 |
| XRevan86 | __martin__: I don't think GNU social code can be any good. | Sep 19 17:12 |
| XRevan86 | for GNUnet | Sep 19 17:12 |
| __martin__ | mesh networking is the only future of free software as opposed to "fog computing" | Sep 19 17:12 |
| XRevan86 | __martin__: I think there's still place for old good federation :). | Sep 19 17:25 |
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| __martin__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYKFcwrHmi0 | Sep 19 22:09 |
| *__martin__ comes up with a roller-ballmer-blade scene from silicon valley's pirates in his mind :_D | Sep 19 22:10 | |
| msb__ | Reminds me of scientology. microshit is a goddamn cult! | Sep 19 22:16 |
| msb__ | Built on lies, and relying on the ignorance of its believers. | Sep 19 22:18 |
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| msb__ | Cheating them out of lots of money, too. | Sep 19 22:21 |
| MinceR | not just cheating, also coercing | Sep 19 22:21 |
| MinceR | corrupting politicians into spending taxes on m$ crap | Sep 19 22:22 |
| __martin__ | MinceR: what you say to this > https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/09/19/hungary-new-border-regime-threatens-asylum-seekers | Sep 19 22:24 |
| __martin__ | & dis | Sep 19 22:25 |
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| __martin__ | https://theintercept.com/2015/09/11/how-hungary-prime-minister-turned-into-refugee-bashing-autocrat/ | Sep 19 22:26 |
| MinceR | out government was well known for being evil nazis already | Sep 19 22:27 |
| MinceR | though they've certainly racked up their tendency to make enemies with everybody except putin lately | Sep 19 22:27 |
| MinceR | they're building the image of the country | Sep 19 22:27 |
| MinceR | which will be well deserved | Sep 19 22:28 |
| msb__ | Those refugees were created by all the nations that the US and its allies destr0yed in the Middle east. Hungary had nothing to do with it, and its economy is probably not very strong, so it has a right to turn them away. | Sep 19 22:28 |
| MinceR | hopefully they'll convince the entire western world that hungary is not a safe country | Sep 19 22:29 |
| MinceR | the economy of hungary is weak because the nazis deliberately wrecked it | Sep 19 22:29 |
| __martin__ | thanks for an honest answer // am < 30km from the northern border | Sep 19 22:29 |
| MinceR | they stole everything they could | Sep 19 22:29 |
| MinceR | they handed out market advantages and monopolies to every one of their pals | Sep 19 22:29 |
| MinceR | they've eliminated legal certainty, making hungary an even worse place to invest in | Sep 19 22:30 |
| MinceR | surprise surprise, foreign investors and local businesses are fleeing the country | Sep 19 22:30 |
| MinceR | only the companies who made a pact with the government for cheap slave labor remain on the long term | Sep 19 22:30 |
| MinceR | this will only get worse once subway m3 breaks down for good in hungary | Sep 19 22:31 |
| __martin__ | subway m3? | Sep 19 22:31 |
| MinceR | bringing with itself the collapse of the public transport system and the road network | Sep 19 22:31 |
| MinceR | with people not being able to get to their workplaces, the outcome is obvious | Sep 19 22:31 |
| MinceR | and eventually the EU will tire of the treachery and cut off the money supply | Sep 19 22:31 |
| msb__ | Also, there are probably a few ISIL and other monsters hiding with the refugees, which is going to be a disaster for the countries that do take them in. | Sep 19 22:32 |
| MinceR | hungary will probably fall apart before the fundies can nuke us all to death | Sep 19 22:32 |
| __martin__ | hm | Sep 19 22:32 |
| MinceR | maybe the nazis will ask putin for handouts then, but i doubt they'll get them | Sep 19 22:33 |
| MinceR | our leaders will grab the valuables they can, leave and retire | Sep 19 22:33 |
| MinceR | most likely | Sep 19 22:33 |
| msb__ | Putin will probably save Hungary's ass, and MinceR will still hate him. | Sep 19 22:34 |
| __martin__ | msb__: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/19/us-weapons-to-syria-repeats-historical-mistake | Sep 19 22:35 |
| MinceR | if by "save" you mean "thrust into an even deeper, darker age of slavery instead of letting it die, finally" | Sep 19 22:35 |
| MinceR | and if putin gets to put his military in hungary, that will be a very dark age for the remaining EU | Sep 19 22:36 |
| MinceR | msb__ will watch europeans get slaughtered on the news and wank to it | Sep 19 22:36 |
| __martin__ | fucking hate these world-domination stage maneuvers >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JZG8nrPcwY | Sep 19 22:38 |
| __martin__ | btw, back to tech | Sep 19 22:38 |
| __martin__ | why do you folks think facebook corp. named their journalists' service signal? | Sep 19 22:38 |
| MinceR | i haven't heard of it | Sep 19 22:39 |
| MinceR | i don't really follow dumbFuckBook | Sep 19 22:39 |
| __martin__ | neither do i, but the moves of empire are so blatant and not covered up properly | Sep 19 22:39 |
| MinceR | why bother? | Sep 19 22:40 |
| MinceR | religious zealotry takes care of it all | Sep 19 22:40 |
| MinceR | like how msb__ backs the russian empire at everything they do, no matter what it is, no matter why | Sep 19 22:40 |
| __martin__ | they actually follow by this switching people's attention away from the openwhispersystems' signal app for ios | Sep 19 22:40 |
| MinceR | people don't care anymore | Sep 19 22:40 |
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| MinceR | most pc-s that sell are locked into m$'s or crApple's shitty OS | Sep 19 22:41 |
| MinceR | m$ deployed an obvious spyware/botnet and almost nobody bats an eye | Sep 19 22:41 |
| MinceR | people talk about how privacy was dead anyway | Sep 19 22:41 |
| MinceR | crApple sells phones that form a botnet and people celebrate it | Sep 19 22:41 |
| __martin__ | so true | Sep 19 22:42 |
| MinceR | the nazis dismantle democracy, rule of law and the constitution in hungary and the masses celebrate it | Sep 19 22:42 |
| MinceR | dumbFuckBook violates people's privacy in every way they can and most people can't even conceive of not having a dumbFuckBook account | Sep 19 22:42 |
| msb__ | The real goal of the US, which Obama and others have stated many times, is to get rid of the Assad govt. Here are eight reasons why: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36173.htm | Sep 19 22:43 |
| MinceR | human rights are eroded everywhere and people don't care, don't even notice | Sep 19 22:43 |
| MinceR | putler threatens the entire planet with a nuclear apocalypse and people like msb__ cheer him on | Sep 19 22:43 |
| MinceR | religious zealots think about nothing other than how they could exterminate and/or outbreed the other cults and people proclaim abrahamic religion the foundation of all morality | Sep 19 22:44 |
| MinceR | unixes are being destroyed via cancerd and the like, and people celebrate it | Sep 19 22:44 |
| MinceR | along with that, free software is being destroyed | Sep 19 22:45 |
| MinceR | the FSF doesn't see anything wrong with vendor lock-in | Sep 19 22:45 |
| MinceR | oh, and people move their data and processing into the Fog (the better for megacorporations and governments to monitor and meddle with) and can't see the danger in it | Sep 19 22:46 |
| MinceR | and as if all that wasn't enough, humanity is doing everything they can to make the planet uninhabitable | Sep 19 22:47 |
| MinceR | and to increase the rate of breeding, to make the inevitable reaching of the limit as painful and uncontrollable as possible | Sep 19 22:47 |
| __martin__ | msb__: how would you imagine an utopia scenario on earth? | Sep 19 22:49 |
| __martin__ | n/utopian | Sep 19 22:49 |
| MinceR | probably with the USSR extended all over the globe, with emperor putin ruling it all | Sep 19 22:50 |
| MinceR | executing everyone who doesn't follow the official state religion | Sep 19 22:50 |
| msb__ | __martin__: I've been working on that lately, after 55 years of research this is what I've come up with. Kind of sketchy so far, and needs links: http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html | Sep 19 22:51 |
| msb__ | __martin__: This is very good! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPiZJ5N9TkY | Sep 19 22:53 |
| __martin__ | did you extended the original? | Sep 19 22:55 |
| msb__ | __martin__: If youtube is as herky-jerky for you these days as it is for me, you'll want to download the video: http://youtube-dl.org/ | Sep 19 22:55 |
| __martin__ | actually, the part regards vitamin intake in miligrams was interesting | Sep 19 22:55 |
| msb__ | Extend the Korten video? No. | Sep 19 22:56 |
| __martin__ | yeah i pipped the script the other day | Sep 19 22:56 |
| __martin__ | and i meant that cause & cure | Sep 19 22:56 |
| __martin__ | (python3-pip) | Sep 19 22:56 |
| msb__ | I was editing it as late as last night. | Sep 19 22:57 |
| msb__ | Ha! PIP is what DEC used to call its program for transferring data on PDP-8 and other computers. peripheral interchange program or something | Sep 19 22:58 |
| __martin__ | so you basically do not count with something like living wage/basic income and rather get state abolished or at least excluded from the life of an individual? | Sep 19 22:58 |
| __martin__ | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10206309 (= | Sep 19 22:59 |
| msb__ | Perhaps a state would work with direct Internet democracy instead of the layered representation that always seems to lead to corruption. | Sep 19 23:00 |
| __martin__ | so it was not really happy software freedom day after all | Sep 19 23:00 |
| __martin__ | as you would say, mince | Sep 19 23:00 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 19 23:00 |
| msb__ | Even with worker-owned companies, people who can't work at all still need support. | Sep 19 23:00 |
| MinceR | humanity proudly marches into its own painful extinction | Sep 19 23:00 |
| msb__ | __martin__: Thanks, I'll add that! | Sep 19 23:01 |
| msb__ | cubexyz would love this! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10206309 | Sep 19 23:02 |
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| __martin__ | msb__: ur welcome MinceR: agreed, that would reasonably explain why they are speeding their escape.. http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/15/space-bezos-idUSL1N11L10I20150915 | Sep 19 23:03 |
| MinceR | only a tiny minority cares about going into space | Sep 19 23:04 |
| msb__ | Of course free software _can't_ be destroyed. It just forks, e.g., devuan, *BSD, etc does not use systemd. | Sep 19 23:04 |
| MinceR | some people believe the earth is flat | Sep 19 23:04 |
| MinceR | some people believe the moon landing was faked | Sep 19 23:04 |
| __martin__ | heard of that.. secret nazi base on the opposite side of moon | Sep 19 23:05 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 19 23:05 |
| __martin__ | wonder where people come up with that | Sep 19 23:05 |
| msb__ | There must be some better method of space propulsion than shooting stuff out the back end. Many thousands of people have seen "flying saucers". | Sep 19 23:08 |
| __martin__ | brave new world | Sep 19 23:08 |
| __martin__ | silicon valley's coders take nootropics | Sep 19 23:08 |
| msb__ | Some of them quite reliable -- military pilots, air traffic controllers, etc. | Sep 19 23:08 |
| __martin__ | meanwhile best dota players run on adderall | Sep 19 23:09 |
| MinceR | afaik the first flying saucer was a fake, and was admitted by the one[s?] who did it | Sep 19 23:09 |
| msb__ | The first one was described in the bibble. | Sep 19 23:09 |
| msb__ | 60ug of B12 under the tongue, plus a standard B100, is good for me. | Sep 19 23:10 |
| __martin__ | mince, how's e-id card in hu? | Sep 19 23:12 |
| msb__ | Cannabis is good too, when chosen and used properly. Many years ago I participated in a cannabis test at the SF Veterans Hospital, and smoked some atrocious NIH pot. Then I surprised the researchers by fixing their equipment during the experiment. | Sep 19 23:13 |
| __martin__ | here the schizophrenic state (pro-obama president, pro-putin pm) supports top 3 distros // and people already convert the deb package through alien into rpms | Sep 19 23:13 |
| MinceR | __martin__: dunno | Sep 19 23:14 |
| MinceR | my passport has an rfid chip in it, though | Sep 19 23:14 |
| msb__ | __martin__: Where are you? | Sep 19 23:14 |
| __martin__ | msb__: slovakia | Sep 19 23:15 |
| MinceR | __martin__: lol | Sep 19 23:15 |
| MinceR | they won't need to do that for long | Sep 19 23:15 |
| MinceR | debian is dead, it's probably a matter of years for them to move to rpm | Sep 19 23:15 |
| __martin__ | well, but bradley took them under the conservancy's wings | Sep 19 23:16 |
| MinceR | that doesn't cure their stupidity, does it? | Sep 19 23:18 |
| __martin__ | the thing is | Sep 19 23:19 |
| __martin__ | from my point of view | Sep 19 23:20 |
| *__martin__ was writing something longer | Sep 19 23:21 | |
| __martin__ | but to put it short.. we shall see how fsf reacts to the fact that linux-libre cannot be used neither with modern intel/amd/nvidia gpu | Sep 19 23:22 |
| MinceR | they don't care | Sep 19 23:23 |
| MinceR | the only thing they care about is that everybody must use FSF licenses | Sep 19 23:23 |
| msb__ | __martin__: What do you mean by linux-libre, and why can't it be used with modern gpus? | Sep 19 23:24 |
| msb__ | Are the gpu drivers systemd-dependant? | Sep 19 23:25 |
| MinceR | not yet, afaik | Sep 19 23:26 |
| MinceR | but i'm sure redcrap is working on that | Sep 19 23:26 |
| __martin__ | http://linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/releases/LATEST-4.N/deblob-4.2 | Sep 19 23:28 |
| __martin__ | but we have to look on it from much higher perspective | Sep 19 23:29 |
| __martin__ | when people embrace and cheer lizards like this one with open arms | Sep 19 23:29 |
| MinceR | that's an insult to lizards | Sep 19 23:30 |
| __martin__ | it's quite useless to link ordinary useds to stuff like this | Sep 19 23:30 |
| __martin__ | MinceR: you are right | Sep 19 23:30 |
| MinceR | humanity decided they don't want freedom, they want to be enslaved in a dictatorship and tormented to death | Sep 19 23:30 |
| __martin__ | even chameleon or gecko from suse logo is more sympathetic than satya with his son on a wheelchair | Sep 19 23:31 |
| MinceR | i'd rather call him asatya | Sep 19 23:31 |
| __martin__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=676&v=RLD0vL5sreQ | Sep 19 23:31 |
| MinceR | he certainly doesn't deal in truth | Sep 19 23:31 |
| msb__ | The conflict of Debian/RMS/FSF with binary-blob graphic drivers has always been with us. People work around it. | Sep 19 23:32 |
| MinceR | RMS/FSF supporting vendor lock-in is recent, though | Sep 19 23:32 |
| __martin__ | point me there please | Sep 19 23:32 |
| MinceR | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=123341 | Sep 19 23:34 |
| MinceR | the other stuff from RMS i'm not at liberty to share | Sep 19 23:34 |
| MinceR | see also the freenode/#fsf and freenode/#gnu channels | Sep 19 23:34 |
| MinceR | both are swarming with cancerd zealots | Sep 19 23:34 |
| __martin__ | to this i say | Sep 19 23:36 |
| MinceR | "I know it’s free software, so ethically speaking, it’s not an issue – it’s just a convenience question." | Sep 19 23:36 |
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| __martin__ | let's see if ruben and santiago go again with systemd in future trisquel release | Sep 19 23:36 |
| MinceR | apparently vendor lock-in, secret APIs and obfuscated code are "not an issue" | Sep 19 23:36 |
| MinceR | and software can be "free" even though it doesn't respect the user's freedom | Sep 19 23:36 |
| MinceR | just because it's licensed under a free software license | Sep 19 23:37 |
| MinceR | even though unlike the OSD, the FSD doesn't depend on licenses, it depends on freedoms: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html | Sep 19 23:37 |
| MinceR | maybe they should switch to supporting "open source" if the license is more important to them than the users' freedoms | Sep 19 23:37 |
| __martin__ | what if rms switch directly to guix systemd distro with dmd init | Sep 19 23:39 |
| __martin__ | s/switches | Sep 19 23:39 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter if he supports cancerd in words | Sep 19 23:39 |
| MinceR | s/if/as long as/ | Sep 19 23:40 |
| __martin__ | system* | Sep 19 23:40 |
| __martin__ | lol | Sep 19 23:40 |
| MinceR | i think cancerd is a more telling description | Sep 19 23:40 |
| MinceR | wow, firefox keeps getting worse | Sep 19 23:41 |
| MinceR | now it can't even remember correctly which page was open in a tab | Sep 19 23:41 |
| __martin__ | no i really think they will convince him to use one of the libreboot thinkpads with systemd & trisquel or w/o cancerd and guix | Sep 19 23:41 |
| __martin__ | but again | Sep 19 23:42 |
| __martin__ | fair enough point | Sep 19 23:42 |
| msb__ | RMS allowing systemd is not supporting vendor lockin. Unless all systemd distros are considered to come from a single vendor. In any case, no one is locked-in, since they can use devuan, BSD, etc. | Sep 19 23:42 |
| __martin__ | lgpl is on the edge of proprietarization | Sep 19 23:42 |
| MinceR | not "allowing", calling it "free software" even though it isn't | Sep 19 23:42 |
| MinceR | systemd itself comes from a single vendor: redcrap. | Sep 19 23:42 |
| MinceR | and the d-bus hole makes gpl a lot more like lgpl than it was before | Sep 19 23:42 |
| MinceR | also, gnome and kde already attempt to force the user to use cancerd | Sep 19 23:43 |
| MinceR | so do all wayland implementations, afaik | Sep 19 23:43 |
| __martin__ | seen in mailing lists the thread with xorg dependancy on libsystemd or sth | Sep 19 23:44 |
| msb__ | Use TrinityDE and X | Sep 19 23:44 |
| __martin__ | but there are even people with @hotmail suffix on devuan's lists | Sep 19 23:45 |
| __martin__ | .. | Sep 19 23:45 |
| __martin__ | so scam occurs from time to time | Sep 19 23:45 |
| __martin__ | what's android's init? | Sep 19 23:47 |
| MinceR | its own stuff | Sep 19 23:47 |
| __martin__ | just curious because tizen has cancerd already | Sep 19 23:47 |
| MinceR | cancerd too? | Sep 19 23:47 |
| __martin__ | yep | Sep 19 23:47 |
| MinceR | i knew they had kdbus but i didn't know they also had systemd | Sep 19 23:47 |
| __martin__ | https://www.tizen.org/blogs/tsg/2014/first-tizen-3.0-common-milestone-release | Sep 19 23:47 |
| __martin__ | year old article | Sep 19 23:47 |
| MinceR | thanks | Sep 19 23:48 |
| msb__ | xorg dependancy on libsystemd is here, and seems to be fixed: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/thread/20150917.201354.c43cf6d9.en.html | Sep 19 23:50 |
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| msb__ | A friend bought me a bottle of "honey-mustard salad dressing". The first ingredient is high-fructose corn syrup. The seventh ingredient is honey. | Sep 13 01:24 |
| msb__ | It tastes like sugar and vinegar. Barely any mustard. | Sep 13 01:25 |
| cubexyz | sounds gross | Sep 13 01:30 |
| MinceR | sounds low-quality | Sep 13 01:32 |
| msb__ | Sure is! Both. | Sep 13 01:32 |
| msb__ | Some kinds of HFCS even contain mercury, from some electrolytic process, at least in the past. | Sep 13 01:33 |
| msb__ | For the honey, they probably had a bee sneeze on the tank-car. | Sep 13 01:35 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 13 01:36 |
| cubexyz | well you could try buying mustard, vingegar and sugar and mixing it together :) | Sep 13 02:05 |
| cubexyz | or even just mustard | Sep 13 02:05 |
| cubexyz | I think everything changed in the late 1970s | Sep 13 02:10 |
| cubexyz | sugar became more expensive and HFCS replaced sugar in processed foods | Sep 13 02:10 |
| msb__ | There's an organic food store around here that delivers. I'll see what they have. There was a packet of honey-mustard in a package of smoked salmon that was absolutely wonderful. | Sep 13 02:16 |
| cubexyz | I stopped buying cookies, candy bars, crackers etc | Sep 13 02:20 |
| cubexyz | too much sugar/too much salt | Sep 13 02:20 |
| msb__ | I get these "Endangered Species" chocolate bars. My current favorite is cherry, with a puffin on it. It's for medical purposes. Chocolate is antiinflammatory, and I'm terribly inflamed. 8^) | Sep 13 02:26 |
| msb__ | Chocolate chip cookies are like heroin to me. The whole box/bag goes in a day or less. I can't buy them. | Sep 13 02:29 |
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| MinceR | i'm pretty sure almost all food is organic :> | Sep 13 03:17 |
| MinceR | except for the water and the salt | Sep 13 03:18 |
| msb__ | Two different meanings of the word. In chemistry, "organic" means made of CHONSP. In nutrition, "organic" means congenial to living things. For example glyphosate, the herbicide in much GMO "food", is chemically organic, but food containing it is not nutritionally organic, because it's toxic to mammals. | Sep 13 03:33 |
| MinceR | i had the impression that "organic" simply means "contains carbon" | Sep 13 03:37 |
| msb__ | That's the simplified chemical definition. The nutritional one is quite different. | Sep 13 03:38 |
| msb__ | Of course, nutritionally organic food must be chemically organic, and it also may contain various minerals, but not Hg, Al, F, As... | Sep 13 03:40 |
| msb__ | Nutritionally necessary minerals for people include Na, K, Mg, Ca, Cr, Mn, Cu, B, Se... | Sep 13 03:45 |
| msb__ | Actually, "nutritionally organic" generally means congenial to vertebrates, especially humans. For example ammonia is pumped into some farm soil to serve as fertilizer for plants, but it's irritating to people and highly toxic to fish and amphibians. | Sep 13 03:54 |
| MinceR | apparently even arsenic is essential to some animals: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenic#Essential_trace_element_in_higher_animals | Sep 13 03:56 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MIIS_Cyber/status/643009123945058305 https://twitter.com/encycl/status/643009173689532416 | Sep 13 11:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MIIS_Cyber: @schestowitz @_PaulH93 flea market netbook + tails seems a better move | Sep 13 11:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@encycl: @schestowitz That's never been tested, but DHS et al assert the border exception extends 100 mi in from the border. | Sep 13 11:33 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/643009387716481025 | Sep 13 11:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: Thus…the #UnitedKingdom's #monarchy is as #evil as the #USA Empire #plutocracy? Both pretending to be 'democracies': https://t.co/ldvvn6ejYP | Sep 13 11:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: I am going to be away for two weeks, but cannot take my laptop anymore. Airport authorities can now DEMAND decryption keys at the border. | Sep 13 11:34 | |
| schestowitz | I think the precedent was in Canada | Sep 13 11:34 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BrettGarrot/status/643009599096922112 | Sep 13 11:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrettGarrot: Thus…the #UnitedKingdom's #monarchy is as #evil as the #USA Empire #plutocracy? Both pretending to be 'democracies… https://t.co/lj0mtCaniJ | Sep 13 11:34 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/encycl/status/643017413475176449 | Sep 13 12:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@encycl: @schestowitz David S Cohen is Deputy Director. | Sep 13 12:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux 4.3-rc1 - merge window closed | Sep 13 12:13 |
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| schestowitz | [12:54] <schestowitz> https://twitter.com/glynco/status/643027795870920708 | Sep 13 12:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynco: @schestowitz @Harrisonxjacobs agree...just as those disseminating false reports about al-Qa'ida and the CIA torture program should have. | Sep 13 12:54 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/643027344517677056 | Sep 13 12:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Airport authorities have managed to take all joy away from the miracle of flight. Way to go. | Sep 13 12:54 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FilmCriticOne/status/643028472424742913 | Sep 13 12:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FilmCriticOne: @schestowitz CIA should have been disbanded when is was OSS. They have caused more wars than the Bush family. | Sep 13 12:55 | |
| MinceR | schestowitz: ok | Sep 13 13:19 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynco/status/643035601244192768 | Sep 13 13:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynco: @schestowitz @Harrisonxjacobs part of an orchestrated CIA coms strategy that continues today w the ghost writing of books & Rebuttal | Sep 13 13:22 | |
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| schestowitz | They call it "information war", or "psychological warfare", helping to reinforce semi-truths or fiction, creating uncertainty a la climate change | Sep 13 13:22 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynco/status/643037565914869761 | Sep 13 13:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynco: @schestowitz @Harrisonxjacobs also known as perception management | Sep 13 13:25 | |
| schestowitz | In the PR industry, yes.... I wrote a lot about it in the context of the software industry | Sep 13 13:25 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynco/status/643037565914869761 | Sep 13 13:26 |
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| msb__ | New documentary, packed full of detailed information: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqqelDq4P48 | Sep 13 17:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | 9/11: Decade of Deception (Full Film NEW 2015) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nruac ] | Sep 13 17:46 | |
| MinceR | https://startpage.com/do/metasearch.pl?q=germany%20suspends%20schengen | Sep 13 17:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-startpage.com | germany suspends schengen - Startpage Web Search [ http://ur1.ca/nrucr ] | Sep 13 17:54 | |
| MinceR | the end of the EU? | Sep 13 17:55 |
| msb__ | It's certainly becoming less unified! And of course its the US destruction of many nations in the Middle East and Africa that have caused all those refugees to flee for their lives. | Sep 13 17:56 |
| MinceR | there's more to it than that | Sep 13 17:57 |
| MinceR | the greek crisis, the hungarian dictatorship | Sep 13 17:57 |
| MinceR | fundie takeover by the EPP | Sep 13 17:57 |
| msb__ | EPP? | Sep 13 17:57 |
| MinceR | European People's Party | Sep 13 17:57 |
| MinceR | corruption resulting in EU institutions upholding foreign megacorporate interests instead of member state/citizen interests | Sep 13 17:58 |
| msb__ | But those problems aren't what the refugees are fleeing from. However, I see that corporate corruption will certainly help the EU to disintegrate, as it does to everything else. | Sep 13 17:59 |
| msb__ | Interesting. European People's Party is conservative (corporatist), but the term People's Party is generally used to denote socialists. So it's deceptive. Like "National Socialists" (Nazis). | Sep 13 18:02 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: Not the only ones. | Sep 13 18:02 |
| msb__ | In some ways, the entire world situation is degenerating. Things are falling apart. And it's all due to the "War on Terror", in which the terrorists -- Mujahideen, Al-Qaeda, ISIL -- are organized and armed by the US, Saudi Arabia, and Israel. And the justification for the war was and is 9/11. And who did 9/11? Watch that video 9/11: Decade of Deception. | Sep 13 18:06 |
| msb__ | Organized ultra-wealthy and ultra-powerful psychopaths are slowly destroying the world. Our only defense is broadcasting the truth, to as many people as possible, using the Internet and Linux. | Sep 13 18:08 |
| MinceR | handling the refugees is just yet another problem | Sep 13 18:09 |
| MinceR | also, in europe, it seems to be common to use "people's party" to refer to christian fundie nazi parties | Sep 13 18:09 |
| MinceR | like kdnp in hungary | Sep 13 18:10 |
| XRevan86 | People's Front for Russia | Sep 13 18:10 |
| msb__ | There is one great advantage that truth has over lies, not matter how many times the lies are repeated: Truth is logically consistent, and is upheld by critical thinking. Lies are not. | Sep 13 18:10 |
| XRevan86 | * All-Russia People's Front | Sep 13 18:10 |
| MinceR | as for the war on terror, that's explainable with incompetence rather than malice | Sep 13 18:10 |
| MinceR | usian attempts to establish democracy in places where the people, the culture are not ready for it | Sep 13 18:11 |
| MinceR | (similarly to hungary) | Sep 13 18:11 |
| msb__ | But the US did not actually do anything to establish democracy in those nations. It attacked them, bombed them, and wrecked them. That results in such fear and chaos that democracy is impossible. | Sep 13 18:12 |
| MinceR | at least in some places they ensured that elections took place, afaik | Sep 13 18:13 |
| MinceR | but it obviously didn't work out in many (if not all) cases | Sep 13 18:13 |
| msb__ | Maybe. But if people are injured, and their friends and relatives are dead, and they can barely find enough food to survive, they aren't going to be able to do the research to find out whom they should vote for to achieve the best results. | Sep 13 18:14 |
| MinceR | they probably don't even know they should | Sep 13 18:16 |
| msb__ | All they know is grief and trying to survive. And being attacked by the warlords that have taken over after the US wrecked their nation. | Sep 13 18:17 |
| msb__ | Is the motivation greed? Oil profits? Weapons profits? The destruction of all nations in the Middle East as desired by the Zionists of Israel? Extension of US power? The psychopathic desire to hurt and kill people? Perhaps all of those. | Sep 13 18:20 |
| MinceR | it could be benign, see above | Sep 13 18:21 |
| msb__ | The US psychopaths have been doing these same things all throughout the 20th century, and now this one. The results have always been bad for the people attacked, and good for the ultra-wealthy. It's been done nearly 100 times, always with the same result. To think that the intentions were good, but it just _accidently_ killed tens of millions of people and wrecked dozens of nations, is not a logically tenable idea. How many times | Sep 13 18:26 |
| msb__ | do you have to be punched in the face before you decide that that person wants to hurt you? | Sep 13 18:26 |
| MinceR | that's not a good analogy | Sep 13 18:27 |
| msb__ | Then forget the analogy. In every case, the ultra-wealthy killed the leaders that were helping the people, and installed leaders that controlled the people so that the ultra-wealthy could go in there and take the natural resources and use the controlled population as slave labor. That's what they did EVERY TIME. It was no accident any time. | Sep 13 18:30 |
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| MinceR | afaik they killed or deposed tyrants | Sep 13 18:35 |
| MinceR | hoping to replace them with a democratic government | Sep 13 18:35 |
| msb__ | That's what they _said_ they did. That's what the CIA told all the corporate media to say they did. But they and the CIA and the corporate media were all LYING. | Sep 13 18:38 |
| MinceR | you're assuming that only they lie | Sep 13 18:38 |
| msb__ | No, I'm accessing facts that _prove_ they are lying. | Sep 13 18:39 |
| msb__ | Do you have a copy of _Killing Hope_ by William Blum? | Sep 13 18:40 |
| MinceR | no | Sep 13 18:40 |
| msb__ | Well, here's his website and several others: http://cosmicpenguin.com/#American_Holocaust | Sep 13 18:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone [ http://ur1.ca/g23vd ] | Sep 13 18:43 | |
| msb__ | But I misread what you said. Yes, I know that others lied too -- Orban, Stalin... | Sep 13 18:45 |
| MinceR | your sources may have lied too | Sep 13 18:45 |
| msb__ | That's where critical thinking comes in. Get information from many different sources, and see which is logically consistent and which is not. | Sep 13 18:46 |
| MinceR | in cases like this, there's plenty of motivation for various parties to lie | Sep 13 18:46 |
| MinceR | how does one find out who's lying and who (if anyone) is telling the truth? | Sep 13 18:46 |
| msb__ | That's where critical thinking comes in. Get information from many different sources, and see which is logically consistent and which is not. | Sep 13 18:46 |
| MinceR | having different sources say the same thing is not enough | Sep 13 18:47 |
| MinceR | if it was, we'd all believe corporate media. | Sep 13 18:47 |
| msb__ | Correct. _You_ have to employ logical reasoning, like the Law of Non-Contradiction, to the information yourself. and you have to be prepared to change your mind about things if your logical pursuits prove that some things you currently believe are false. | Sep 13 18:48 |
| msb__ | That is critical thinking. NOT "What you tell me three times is true", which is part of the Bernays method of brainwashing. | Sep 13 18:50 |
| MinceR | sure, but if two groups of sources contradict each other, that won't tell you which group (if any) is telling the truth | Sep 13 18:51 |
| msb__ | That's not the contradiction to look for. You want to look for contradictions _within_ the information given by each group. For example, if the US govt group always says it's trying to help people, but always ends up hurting people, that's a big fat contradiction. | Sep 13 18:57 |
| MinceR | i've seen plenty of series of failed attempts from others too | Sep 13 18:59 |
| MinceR | but yes, if most/all sources in a group are internally inconsistent, that helps find out what's up | Sep 13 19:00 |
| msb__ | Yes. The US and Stalin and Orban are _all_ evil. | Sep 13 19:01 |
| MinceR | and so's putin | Sep 13 19:02 |
| MinceR | it wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that all human groups are evil | Sep 13 19:03 |
| msb__ | I know. That's because your idea of human nature is erroneous. I keep suggesting that you watch the Korten video and read The Chalice and the Blade to give you a much more accurate idea of human nature. | Sep 13 19:05 |
| msb__ | Humans are inherently good, but easily programmable, by trauma or lying propaganda, to be evil. | Sep 13 19:07 |
| msb__ | That's the truth that I've learned over my 70 years, from many different sources who never even heard of one another. And it's consistent with observed events. | Sep 13 19:08 |
| schestowitz | you stipulate humans are not evil | Sep 13 19:08 |
| schestowitz | but whose standards? | Sep 13 19:08 |
| schestowitz | you could say that about all animals | Sep 13 19:08 |
| schestowitz | are sharks "evil"? | Sep 13 19:08 |
| schestowitz | the notion of good or evil or relative | Sep 13 19:09 |
| schestowitz | some people eat cockroaches, some think that eating beef is killed sacred animal | Sep 13 19:09 |
| schestowitz | cannibalism is even essential to some species | Sep 13 19:10 |
| schestowitz | [18:08] <msb__> Organized ultra-wealthy and ultra-powerful psychopaths are slowly destroying the world. Our only defense is broadcasting the truth, to as many people as possible, using the Internet and Linux. | Sep 13 19:10 |
| schestowitz | I'm all for it | Sep 13 19:10 |
| schestowitz | but you don't broadcase the truth | Sep 13 19:11 |
| schestowitz | you broadcast what you deem suitable for a narrative wherein the US is the moral equivalent of Nazis Germany | Sep 13 19:11 |
| msb__ | First of all, the idea of "evil" is only meaningful in regard to humans, and others with thinking minds, possibly bonobos. | Sep 13 19:11 |
| schestowitz | and Russia is some kind of benign power | Sep 13 19:11 |
| schestowitz | despite all that was done before Hitler even rose to power | Sep 13 19:11 |
| schestowitz | I am a lot more afraid of Russia than I am of the US | Sep 13 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Even if I was Arab I think it would be the case | Sep 13 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Watch how Russia treats its Muslim citizens and neighbours | Sep 13 19:12 |
| schestowitz | they're evil, they express themselves differently and has different propaganda and public enchantment dissemination tactics | Sep 13 19:13 |
| msb__ | And yet the US has wrecked at least 5 nations since 2001, and Russia has not wrecked any. | Sep 13 19:13 |
| schestowitz | I think that some ancestors from my grandma's site escaped Russia a long time ago, maybe hundreds of years, and people STILL escape Russia if they can | Sep 13 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Russia didn't wreck nations? | Sep 13 19:14 |
| MinceR | recently russia has wrecked georgia and ukraine, possibly also belarus | Sep 13 19:14 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: tell him | Sep 13 19:14 |
| msb__ | The US has murdered more than two million people since 2001. | Sep 13 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Bulgaria, Hungary, the whole eastern bloc | Sep 13 19:14 |
| MinceR | they have sights on the baltic countries | Sep 13 19:14 |
| schestowitz | they turned to s*** | Sep 13 19:14 |
| MinceR | before 1990, russia wrecked the entire eastern bloc | Sep 13 19:14 |
| schestowitz | So that Moscow can relish in power and fame | Sep 13 19:14 |
| MinceR | currently putin is supporting hungarian nazis, including jobbik | Sep 13 19:15 |
| msb__ | Russia annexed a small part of Ukraine that requested it. It did not wreck Ukraine. | Sep 13 19:15 |
| MinceR | bela kovacs was one of their agents | Sep 13 19:15 |
| schestowitz | jobbik won't possible play ball with the US, maybe not even NATO | Sep 13 19:15 |
| MinceR | no, that part did not request to be annexed | Sep 13 19:15 |
| schestowitz | maybe can secede from EU | Sep 13 19:15 |
| schestowitz | based on what the Greek Nazis want to do | Sep 13 19:15 |
| msb__ | Yes Russia was evil 50 years ago. It is not acting that way now. | Sep 13 19:16 |
| MinceR | a fake referendum acted out with no credibility attempted to make it seem like they requested it | Sep 13 19:16 |
| MinceR | actually, the behavior of russia changed little since 1980 | Sep 13 19:16 |
| schestowitz | [19:15] <msb__> Russia annexed a small part of Ukraine that requested it. It did not wreck Ukraine. | Sep 13 19:16 |
| schestowitz | It did further up north | Sep 13 19:16 |
| schestowitz | complete chaos there | Sep 13 19:16 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 13 19:16 |
| schestowitz | and it wants to guard its borders | Sep 13 19:16 |
| MinceR | eastern ukraine is a wreck | Sep 13 19:16 |
| MinceR | and i doubt western ukraine is doing much better | Sep 13 19:16 |
| schestowitz | because it cannot tolerate much EU at its doorstep | Sep 13 19:16 |
| MinceR | if anything, russia's behavior is even worse now | Sep 13 19:17 |
| schestowitz | they're connected, and tourism will suffer | Sep 13 19:17 |
| MinceR | as the ussr only used nukes to ensure they don't get nuked themselves | Sep 13 19:17 |
| schestowitz | Ukraine lost a nice airport | Sep 13 19:17 |
| MinceR | while putin is saber-rattling them | Sep 13 19:17 |
| MinceR | and reducing the standards for using them | Sep 13 19:17 |
| msb__ | The people further up north begged Putin to annex their territory also, but he refused. 700,000 refugees have fled from Ukraine to Russia since the US-Nazi regime took over. | Sep 13 19:17 |
| schestowitz | they were not ay mortal danger | Sep 13 19:17 |
| schestowitz | maybe economic refugees (Crimea) | Sep 13 19:18 |
| msb__ | The two of you are double-teaming me, and so rapidly that I can't respond. | Sep 13 19:18 |
| schestowitz | what put them at mortal danger was Russian invaders with snipers included | Sep 13 19:18 |
| MinceR | all this was discussed before | Sep 13 19:18 |
| schestowitz | It's a Turf War | Sep 13 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Same in Syria | Sep 13 19:18 |
| msb__ | Roy, there's a question I've been wanting to ask you. Have you worked in facial-recognition software? | Sep 13 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Syria, IIRC, might even share some border with RS at the north east | Sep 13 19:19 |
| schestowitz | didn't check | Sep 13 19:19 |
| schestowitz | oh, wait | Sep 13 19:19 |
| schestowitz | georgia | Sep 13 19:19 |
| schestowitz | and also armenia would be there | Sep 13 19:19 |
| schestowitz | among other neighbours of turkey | Sep 13 19:19 |
| schestowitz | msb__: no, face verification | Sep 13 19:20 |
| msb__ | What's the difference? | Sep 13 19:20 |
| schestowitz | like airport stuff where you need to check a person is who s/he claims to be | Sep 13 19:20 |
| schestowitz | it's a one-to-one matching problem | Sep 13 19:20 |
| schestowitz | very essential to avoid identity third | Sep 13 19:20 |
| msb__ | Does the government use the results of your work? | Sep 13 19:20 |
| schestowitz | *theft | Sep 13 19:20 |
| schestowitz | like a person flying under the identity of another person's passport | Sep 13 19:21 |
| schestowitz | No, but the EPC funded it | Sep 13 19:21 |
| msb__ | EPC? | Sep 13 19:21 |
| schestowitz | you need to see what Texas Uni and NIST/DARPA do | Sep 13 19:21 |
| msb__ | EPC? | Sep 13 19:22 |
| schestowitz | they take this into the military type domain | Sep 13 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Sep 13 19:22 |
| msb__ | What is EPC? | Sep 13 19:22 |
| schestowitz | ERC sorry | Sep 13 19:22 |
| schestowitz | !google ERC research | Sep 13 19:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - ERC: European Research Council | http://erc.europa.eu/ | Sep 13 19:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Funding and Grants | ERC: European Research Council | http://erc.europa.eu/funding-and-grants | Sep 13 19:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - European Research Council - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Research_Council | Sep 13 19:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Engineering Research Centers | NSF - National Science Foundation | http://www.nsf.gov/funding/pgm_summ.jsp%3Fpims_id%3D5502 | Sep 13 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Watch what they fund | Sep 13 19:24 |
| msb__ | So if a whistleblower like Snowden or Assange was trying to escape persecution/prosecution by travellling undercover, such software would prevent it. | Sep 13 19:24 |
| schestowitz | I was previously funded by EPSRC | Sep 13 19:25 |
| schestowitz | for medical things | Sep 13 19:25 |
| MinceR | only if they used a fake passport with the wrong photo or something like that | Sep 13 19:25 |
| MinceR | notice that it's one-to-one | Sep 13 19:25 |
| schestowitz | what do you mean by "travellling undercover", using another person's passport? | Sep 13 19:25 |
| MinceR | something like that | Sep 13 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Someone who looks similar? | Sep 13 19:25 |
| schestowitz | !google chengen airport wikileaks | Sep 13 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - CIA Travel Advice To Operatives - WikiLeaks | https://wikileaks.org/cia-travel/ | Sep 13 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - CIA Travel Advice to Operatives - Press Release - WikiLeaks | https://wikileaks.org/cia-travel/press-release.html | Sep 13 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - CIA Assessment on Surviving Secondary Screening ... - WikiLeaks | https://wikileaks.org/cia-travel/secondary-screening/page-1.html | Sep 13 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - CIA Assessment on Surviving Secondary Screening at ... - WikiLeaks | https://wikileaks.org/cia-travel/secondary-screening/WikiLeaks_CIA_Assessment_on_Surviving_Secondary_Screening.pdf | Sep 13 19:25 |
| MinceR | oh, msb__ might have meant something different | Sep 13 19:25 |
| schestowitz | I wouldn't accept working on surveillance things | Sep 13 19:26 |
| schestowitz | it's unethical | Sep 13 19:26 |
| schestowitz | There are many computer vision applications | Sep 13 19:27 |
| msb__ | It could catch both terrorists and heroes. | Sep 13 19:27 |
| schestowitz | for biology | Sep 13 19:27 |
| schestowitz | biometrics versus medical scans | Sep 13 19:27 |
| schestowitz | one potentially evil | Sep 13 19:27 |
| schestowitz | the other saving lifes | Sep 13 19:27 |
| schestowitz | in the case of cars, collision prevention vs faceplate scanners | Sep 13 19:28 |
| schestowitz | so it's unwise to lump it all together | Sep 13 19:28 |
| schestowitz | some machine vision staff is used in factories | Sep 13 19:28 |
| schestowitz | not to spy on workers like in Amazon | Sep 13 19:28 |
| schestowitz | but to inspect the manufactured items, like foods... reject defects | Sep 13 19:28 |
| msb__ | OK, I guess you're off the hook. | Sep 13 19:29 |
| schestowitz | LOL "off the hook" | Sep 13 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Thank you, Mister brennan | Sep 13 19:31 |
| msb__ | Brennan? | Sep 13 19:32 |
| schestowitz | John | Sep 13 19:32 |
| schestowitz | The one unethical thing about those things is that they reduce the number of physical jobs | Sep 13 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Which can be spun as a negative thing by Luddites, or if the machines do a poor job at it | Sep 13 19:32 |
| schestowitz | sometimes they just complement a human and make detection of atrophies/defects more precise | Sep 13 19:33 |
| schestowitz | But it yields higher output, lowers prices, and make products more reliable (per cost or in general) | Sep 13 19:33 |
| msb__ | Technology in general is reducing the number of jobs, and capitalism can't deal with it. | Sep 13 19:34 |
| msb__ | What should be benefitting mankind is causing poverty and austerity. | Sep 13 19:34 |
| schestowitz | [19:29] <msb__> OK, I guess you're off the hook. | Sep 13 19:34 |
| schestowitz | It just implied, shallowly, that you attempted character assassination but failed | Sep 13 19:34 |
| msb__ | No, I asked, I did not assert. | Sep 13 19:35 |
| msb__ | I still don't know who John Brennan is. There are too many of them. | Sep 13 19:35 |
| schestowitz | So you complain a lot about the CIA | Sep 13 19:36 |
| schestowitz | But you don't know who has been heading it for years | Sep 13 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Despite him being in the headline every hour of the day, due to drones, torture, WoT, etc. | Sep 13 19:37 |
| schestowitz | There is also another Brennan in the white house (no relation) | Sep 13 19:37 |
| schestowitz | There's the Brennan Institute | Sep 13 19:37 |
| schestowitz | !google Brennan Institute hawk | Sep 13 19:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Brennan Center for Justice | http://www.brennancenter.org/ | Sep 13 19:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Employment | Brennan Center for Justice | https://www.brennancenter.org/employment | Sep 13 19:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - school-bio_stjs-the-hawk - Saint Joseph's University - Official ... | http://www.sjuhawks.com/ViewArticle.dbml%3FATCLID%3D208883426 | Sep 13 19:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - This Is Change? 20 Hawks, Clintonites and Neocons to Watch for in ... | http://www.alternet.org/story/107666/this_is_change_20_hawks,_clintonites_and_neocons_to_watch_for_in_obama%27s_white_house | Sep 13 19:37 |
| schestowitz | also no relation | Sep 13 19:37 |
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| msb__ | Do you think the CIA does good? Saying that I "complain" about it seems to imply that. | Sep 13 19:38 |
| msb__ | Wow! Roy said that the 700,000 refugees fled from Ukraine to Russia because they were in danger from Russian invaders of Ukraine. Does anyone see a logical contradiction there? | Sep 13 19:49 |
| msb__ | Would one flee _into_ the country that was the source of danger one was fleeing from? | Sep 13 19:50 |
| msb__ | But, our Fearless Leader is gone now. Have the two weeks begun? Are you now in charge, MinceR? | Sep 13 19:52 |
| msb__ | Our fear that communism might someday take over most of the world blinds us to the fact that anti-communism already has. -- Michael Parenti | Sep 13 19:58 |
| msb__ | From the second edition of Killing Hope. | Sep 13 19:58 |
| msb__ | wowie! Killing Hope can be downloaded from here: https://pdf.yt/d/y_8iHigC3Ms5TngF Download link is on the right. | Sep 13 20:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pdf.yt | View BLUM killing hope.pdf - PDFy - Instant PDF Host | Sep 13 20:12 | |
| msb__ | But the one in the naughty place has a live table of contents. | Sep 13 20:14 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Debian Installer Stretch Alpha 3 Released | Sep 13 22:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | Debian Installer Stretch Alpha 3 Released - Phoronix | Sep 13 22:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE Is Making Progress On Android Port | Sep 13 22:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | KDE Is Making Progress On Android Port - Phoronix | Sep 13 22:02 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Astronauts Looking to Port "The Vanishing | Sep 13 22:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | of Ethan Carter" for Linux Users | Sep 13 22:02 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu OTA-7 Update to Bring Mir and Unity | Sep 13 22:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Ubuntu OTA-7 Update to Bring Mir and Unity Improvements - Softpedia | Sep 13 22:04 | |
| *TweetTuxMachines @KitPloit favourited 'SparkyLinux - Lightweight & fast Debian-based Linux Distribution...' | Sep 13 22:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE Frameworks 5.14.0 Arrives with Lots of | Sep 13 22:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Improvements http://t.co/YMMZdYxmOA | Sep 13 22:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (news.softpedia.com) | Sep 13 22:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | KDE Frameworks 5.14.0 Arrives with Lots of Improvements - Softpedia | Sep 13 22:22 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines #Mesa 11.0.0 Officially Released with Intel | Sep 13 22:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | i965, #Nouveau , and #Radeon Improvements | Sep 13 22:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/hJpblzpfnB (news.softpedia.com) | Sep 13 22:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | #linux | Sep 13 22:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Mesa 11.0.0 Officially Released with Intel i965, Nouveau, and Radeon Improvements - Softpedia | Sep 13 22:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nrwll | Sep 13 22:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linus Torvalds rants about new programming | Sep 13 22:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | interfaces http://t.co/CfyPCowNOK | Sep 13 22:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.itworld.com) | Sep 13 22:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com | Linus Torvalds rants about new programming interfaces | ITworld | Sep 13 22:22 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines ZFS On Linux 0.6.5 Adds 4.2 Kernel Support, New | Sep 13 22:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Zpool/Zdb Functionality http://t.co/xVC41JB0QL | Sep 13 22:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.phoronix.com) | Sep 13 22:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com | ZFS On Linux 0.6.5 Adds 4.2 Kernel Support, New Zpool/Zdb Functionality - Phoronix | Sep 13 22:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nrwrx | Sep 13 22:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Vanishing Of Ethan Carter Redux Moved To | Sep 13 22:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Unreal Engine 4, Still Has A Linux Port On The | Sep 13 22:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Table http://t.co/HIPfM4d34i | Sep 13 22:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.gamingonlinux.com) | Sep 13 22:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | The Vanishing Of Ethan Carter Redux Moved To Unreal Engine 4, Still Has A Linux Port On The Table | GamingOnLinux | Sep 13 22:44 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines IRC Proceedings: August 30th, 2015 – September | Sep 13 22:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | retweeted by 12th, 2015 http://t.co/GsY5Vc2ALd | Sep 13 22:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: August 30th, 2015 – September 12th, 2015 | Techrights | Sep 13 22:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu OTA-7 Update to Bring Mir and Unity | Sep 13 22:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Improvements http://t.co/zUCAeBzQPO | Sep 13 22:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu OTA-7 Update to Bring Mir and Unity Improvements | Tux Machines | Sep 13 22:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Why Docker Needs OpenStack | Sep 13 22:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Why Docker Needs OpenStack | Tux Machines | Sep 13 22:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Torvalds and Kernel http://t.co/nMbQuIFqwa | Sep 13 22:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 13 22:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Torvalds and Kernel | Tux Machines | Sep 13 22:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nrwx8 | Sep 13 22:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Phoronix on Graphics http://t.co/U2FEUPSnli | Sep 13 23:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 13 23:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Phoronix on Graphics | Tux Machines | Sep 13 23:00 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Parsix GNU/Linux 8.0r0 released | Sep 14 06:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.parsix.org | ReleaseNotes80r0 – Parsix GNU/Linux - Desktop Linux Operating System | Sep 14 06:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Online Summit for Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Takes | Sep 14 06:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Place on November 3-5, 2015 | Sep 14 06:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Online Summit for Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Takes Place on November 3-5, 2015 - Softpedia | Sep 14 06:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Developer Attempts to Port Ubuntu Touch to the | Sep 14 06:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Sony Xperia Z Ultra Android Phone | Sep 14 06:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Developer Attempts to Port Ubuntu Touch to the Sony Xperia Z Ultra Android Phone - Softpedia | Sep 14 07:00 | |
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| XFaCE | [01:16:06]<cubexyz> I don't understand Ken Starks going on about windows 10 | Sep 16 02:06 |
| XFaCE | who is ken starks and why do we care? | Sep 16 02:06 |
| DaemonFC | Who is John Galt? | Sep 16 02:08 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 16 02:11 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/09/15/tides-new-commercial-hilariously-mocks-kim-davis-and-anti-gay-bigots-everywhere-video/ | Sep 16 02:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.addictinginfo.org | Addicting Info – Tide’s New Commercial Hilariously Mocks Kim Davis And Anti-Gay Bigots Everywhere (VIDEO) [ http://ur1.ca/nsml8 ] | Sep 16 02:24 | |
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| cubexyz | not unless I run x2x again on the other computer as well | Sep 16 10:24 |
| cubexyz | I'm only running x2x on one computer | Sep 16 10:24 |
| oiaohm | x2x over network is not good. | Sep 16 10:25 |
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| oiaohm | x2go allows one directional control. | Sep 16 10:25 |
| oiaohm | x2x is no better than ssh -X direct sharing from a secuirty point of view. | Sep 16 10:26 |
| oiaohm | Note I don't like ssh -X either. | Sep 16 10:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Deluge Torrent 1.3.12 Released, How To | Sep 16 10:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Install/Update In Ubuntu/Linux Mint Or Other | Sep 16 10:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Derivatives http://t.co/YMUlRaZB44 | Sep 16 10:27 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nsqpn | Sep 16 10:27 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, I'm still using access control | Sep 16 10:28 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: basically X11 protocol never got the idea of seperation. | Sep 16 10:28 |
| cubexyz | only a couple of internal ip addresses are allowed access | Sep 16 10:28 |
| oiaohm | x2x output is nested. | Sep 16 10:28 |
| oiaohm | So it does not have access to the full house. | Sep 16 10:29 |
| oiaohm | This is why I don't use it. | Sep 16 10:29 |
| oiaohm | When I can use x2go and I don't have to jump threw about 4 hoops to make it secure I do. | Sep 16 10:29 |
| oiaohm | Also x2x lost it core developer a while back. | Sep 16 10:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Qualcomm unveils Linux-based UAV reference | Sep 16 10:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | platform http://t.co/xt9Hj5dYVX | Sep 16 10:34 |
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| *TweetTuxMachines @RedTreeRobotics favourited 'Qualcomm unveils Linux-based UAV reference platform http://t.co/xt9Hj5dYVX' | Sep 16 10:34 | |
| cubexyz | x2x is supposed to support clipboard sharing also | Sep 16 10:41 |
| cubexyz | in quasijarus there's no ssh even | Sep 16 10:56 |
| cubexyz | but I never got X11 forwarding to work on that | Sep 16 10:56 |
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| msb__ | I know exactly whose picture you're gonna feed them. Geez, we have to improve your attitude before you start WW3! | Sep 16 14:39 |
| MinceR | i doubt i can beat putin to that | Sep 16 14:41 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.04 Robotics Edition Brings Microsoft | Sep 16 19:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Kinect Support to ODROID http://t.co/l55V3yY3Gh | Sep 16 19:49 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nsvwt | Sep 16 19:49 |
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| msb__ | This is very interesting. http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-15-04-robotics-edition-brings-microsoft-kinect-support-to-odroid-491887.shtml | Sep 16 21:49 |
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| msb__ | ASUS seems to have a low-rez and a high-rez one. The high-rez -- 1280x1024 -- they recommend to buy from Amazon, which has only two sellers -- one in France and the other in Germany, | Sep 16 23:10 |
| msb__ | I'm getting the idea that ASUS is not really serious about this product. I've been on the phone with them for over an hour, and the guy has not found where the high-rez one is shown on their website. | Sep 16 23:12 |
| msb__ | It would be nice if you could have a hologram projector make an image, and then be able to grab at it with your hands using this sensor. | Sep 16 23:14 |
| msb__ | That would be like the computer in the movie The First $20 Million Is Always the Hardest (2002) -- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0280674/combined -- Highly recommended! | Sep 16 23:17 |
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| msb__ | After 90minutes ASUS hung up on me. | Sep 16 23:28 |
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| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Sep 17 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | It does not appear that New Jersey's SAIP insurance is a form of "welfare", if the people would have been better off by breaking the law and going uninsured. | Sep 17 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | If it has no liability coverage, then what's the point? Especially if you rear end some rich ***hole that slams his brakes and then sues you because his $90,000 car is trashed. | Sep 17 00:07 |
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| msb__ | MinceR: In your latest personal attack against me, I'm having difficulty finding where I wrote what you seem to be quoting from me: "Psychopathy in a whole culture does seem to result, sometimes at least from trauma. Stalinist, North Korea, and Israel are illustrations of this." | Sep 17 15:58 |
| MinceR | you don't even remember what you write here | Sep 17 15:59 |
| MinceR | and yet you insist on being quoted | Sep 17 15:59 |
| MinceR | it's pointless to try to argue with you about this, as you apparently have a zealous religious belief in the russian empire and putler | Sep 17 15:59 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Would you please provide the date and time (with time zone) that you are quoting from. | Sep 17 15:59 |
| MinceR | 2014-04-27.log:164738 | Sep 17 15:59 |
| MinceR | CET or CEST | Sep 17 15:59 |
| msb__ | Good lord! You are picking a fight with me about something I wrote over a year ago? | Sep 17 16:00 |
| msb__ | You are really obsessive! | Sep 17 16:01 |
| MinceR | no, you blaming all evil in the world on "trauma" caused by the USA seems to be a consistent theme | Sep 17 16:01 |
| MinceR | it's the excuse for everything north korea and russia do, among other things | Sep 17 16:02 |
| msb__ | MinceR: You don't see that going back to what I wrote 17 months ago indicates and obsessive desire to attack me? | Sep 17 16:07 |
| msb__ | and -> an | Sep 17 16:08 |
| MinceR | if i don't quote you, you say i lie. if i quote you, you say i'm obsessive. | Sep 17 16:08 |
| MinceR | again, it's pointless to argue with you | Sep 17 16:08 |
| MinceR | it's ironic how for all that lip service to critical thinking, you show zero critical thinking | Sep 17 16:08 |
| msb__ | You must be spending quite a lot of time going over your old logs of what I've written! | Sep 17 16:09 |
| MinceR | actually grep doesn't take that long to search the logs | Sep 17 16:11 |
| MinceR | but even so, you've already proven that effort to be wasted | Sep 17 16:11 |
| msb__ | MinceR: In any case, I recently explained to you in a private conversation that the mental/cultural disease of mass psychopathy, called by Wilhelm Reich The Emotional Plague, and by Riane Eisler The Dominator Paradigm, is passed down from generation to generation by traumatic child-rearing and anti-human cultural influences like JCI religion. | Sep 17 16:13 |
| msb__ | MinceR: JCI religion probably accounts for the willingness of American psychopaths to do the worldwide evil they've been doing ever since their genocide of the Native Americans during the formation of the US. | Sep 17 16:15 |
| MinceR | that in no way excuses the acts of the fascist regimes you openly support | Sep 17 16:15 |
| MinceR | also, why do i have to remind you that the russian government is allied with a christian cult? | Sep 17 16:16 |
| msb__ | I don't support any fascist regimes at all. The fact that fascism is a result of trauma doesn't excuse it. It's a cause-and-effect connection, not a moral justification. Can you understand the difference? | Sep 17 16:17 |
| MinceR | you support russia, north korea and others | Sep 17 16:18 |
| MinceR | of course it doesn't excuse it but you pretend it does | Sep 17 16:19 |
| MinceR | you use this excuse to push all responsibility for everything bad that happens to the usians | Sep 17 16:19 |
| msb__ | MinceR: I count 8 lying personal attacks in your recent text here. That doesn't do anything to convince any audience that may be reading your text that you're right. It just makes you look like an obsessive nutcase. | Sep 17 16:20 |
| MinceR | anyone with a working brain must have already deduced that you're an obsessive fascist nutcase | Sep 17 16:20 |
| msb__ | Am I talking with a primitive AI program here that simply repeats back to me what I've said? | Sep 17 16:21 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Stop lying about me. I do _not_ "support russia, north korea". I have criticized Russia's attacks on the Eastern Bloc half a century ago. I have criticized Putin's attack on Pussy Riot, and his recent attempt to censor Net information about cannabis. | Sep 17 16:23 |
| MinceR | yeah, while supporting russia and north korea you also keep fraudulently claiming that you do not | Sep 17 16:24 |
| MinceR | you repeat every single lie from RT here | Sep 17 16:24 |
| msb__ | How have I supported North Korea? | Sep 17 16:24 |
| MinceR | you claim that every source of evidence that's unpleasant to russia is the CIA | Sep 17 16:24 |
| msb__ | How have I supported North Korea? | Sep 17 16:24 |
| MinceR | you excuse their acts with your absurd claims of trauma caused by the usa | Sep 17 16:24 |
| MinceR | and you have the same ideology as them | Sep 17 16:25 |
| MinceR | you support oppressing other states and people by russians | Sep 17 16:25 |
| MinceR | you support putler's fascist posturing | Sep 17 16:25 |
| MinceR | you support putler's nuclear threats to the world | Sep 17 16:25 |
| msb__ | No, I don't excuse their acts. I _explain_ their acts by the fact that the US murdered 30% of the North Korean population in the Korean War. Imagine having burning jellied gasoline -- napalm -- dropped on yourself and your family. | Sep 17 16:26 |
| MinceR | maybe i'll experience that | Sep 17 16:27 |
| MinceR | courtesy of your idol, putin | Sep 17 16:27 |
| msb__ | MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME! Putin is not my idol. I've said that his opposition to the US destruction of five nations recently is a good thing. Currently he is trying to aid Syria in getting rid of ISIL, but the US government wants ISIL there to get rid of Assad for reasons of profit. | Sep 17 16:29 |
| MinceR | your acts say more than your words | Sep 17 16:29 |
| msb__ | What acts? | Sep 17 16:30 |
| MinceR | your support for everything putler does, for one thing | Sep 17 16:30 |
| MinceR | oh well, good thing russia is allowed to destroy "nations", right? | Sep 17 16:30 |
| msb__ | MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME! I do not support everything putin does. Quoting myself 7 minutes ago "I have criticized Putin's attack on Pussy Riot, and his recent attempt to censor Net information about cannabis." | Sep 17 16:32 |
| MinceR | yet you want him to rule over as many people as possible | Sep 17 16:33 |
| msb__ | MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME! I have never said that "russia is allowed to destroy "nations"". | Sep 17 16:33 |
| MinceR | including crimean tatars, estonians, poles, hungarians... | Sep 17 16:33 |
| msb__ | MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME! I have never said that I want Putin to rule over "crimean tatars, estonians, poles, hungarians". | Sep 17 16:34 |
| MinceR | not with those words | Sep 17 16:34 |
| MinceR | you use different words | Sep 17 16:34 |
| MinceR | i guess someone who's absolutely gullible and naive might even believe your deception | Sep 17 16:34 |
| msb__ | Putin was right in annexing Crimea, which overwhelmingly voted for it. If Crimean Tatars are unhappy about that, it's unfortunate. Are they discriminated against in Russia? | Sep 17 16:35 |
| msb__ | MinceR: What's going on here is that I carefully choose my words, and you attribute to me something entirely different than what I wrote, and then attack me for your false attribution. That's called the Straw Man lying propaganda technique. | Sep 17 16:37 |
| MinceR | of course they are | Sep 17 16:37 |
| MinceR | and i've already told you they are | Sep 17 16:37 |
| MinceR | which you ignored, as usual | Sep 17 16:37 |
| MinceR | lying about what you say is not "carefully choosing your words" | Sep 17 16:38 |
| MinceR | it's just lying about what you say. | Sep 17 16:38 |
| msb__ | What can be done about it, if the Tatars are living in a region in which most people want to be a part of Russia? | Sep 17 16:38 |
| MinceR | what's the "repeat every single piece of bullshit from RT" propaganda technique called? | Sep 17 16:38 |
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| MinceR | what's the "dismiss every bit of fact you don't like as CIA propaganda" propaganda technique called? | Sep 17 16:38 |
| MinceR | no, most people don't want it to be a part of russia | Sep 17 16:39 |
| MinceR | putin and his cronies want it to be a part of russia | Sep 17 16:39 |
| msb__ | RT broadcasts a lot of accurate information. If you disagree with something they've broadcast that I've mentioned, tell me what it is. | Sep 17 16:39 |
| msb__ | The Crimeans voted to be part of Russia. | Sep 17 16:39 |
| MinceR | the results of the yalta conference also didn't mean that most people wanted the eastern bloc to be a part of russia | Sep 17 16:40 |
| msb__ | And that's consistent with 700,000 Crimeans fleeing to Russia to escape the Ukrainian Nazi regime. | Sep 17 16:40 |
| MinceR | yes, at gunpoint, in circumstances that lack credibility, "voted" | Sep 17 16:40 |
| MinceR | but i suppose you'd also call what the russians and their bootlickers did here in hungary "democracy" | Sep 17 16:40 |
| MinceR | because people "voted" | Sep 17 16:40 |
| msb__ | The yalta conference has nothing to do with what we're talking about. What you're doing is called the Red Herring lying propaganda technique. | Sep 17 16:41 |
| MinceR | good thing the russians are allowed to maintain a nazi regime by emperor msb | Sep 17 16:41 |
| MinceR | what would the world come to if they weren't? | Sep 17 16:41 |
| MinceR | you obviously have no clue about history | Sep 17 16:41 |
| MinceR | you're a living demonstration of the dunning-kruger effect | Sep 17 16:41 |
| msb__ | MinceR: You constantly confuse the concepts of "Nazi" and "authoritarian". | Sep 17 16:42 |
| MinceR | you constantly pretend as if a few symbols changed the nature of a fascist regime | Sep 17 16:42 |
| MinceR | you pretend as if brutally oppressing people and treating them as slaves with no rights was a-ok as long as your flag had a five-pointed star and a hammer and a sickle | Sep 17 16:42 |
| MinceR | you pretend as if a hammer and a sickle on the flag was any sort of consolation to the victims | Sep 17 16:43 |
| MinceR | it's of course easy to argue this from an armchair in the usa | Sep 17 16:43 |
| MinceR | it's easy to put other people's lives on the line | Sep 17 16:44 |
| msb__ | Are people in Russia brutally oppressed and treated as slaves with no rights? xrevan86 and videos of Russia don't indicate that. | Sep 17 16:44 |
| MinceR | then you should have listened to him. | Sep 17 16:44 |
| MinceR | instead of ignoring everything that's uncomfortable to you, as you usually do | Sep 17 16:44 |
| msb__ | In your zeal to deliver rapid-fire personal attacks, you misread what I wrote about xrevan86. | Sep 17 16:45 |
| msb__ | You perceived the opposite of what I wrote. | Sep 17 16:46 |
| MinceR | you apparently also have reading comprehension issues | Sep 17 16:47 |
| MinceR | why fight putin's information war for him? what's in it for you? | Sep 17 16:48 |
| msb__ | I should have said above, 700,000 Ukrainians fleeing to Russia to escape the Ukrainian Nazi regime. They are not all from Crimea. | Sep 17 16:50 |
| MinceR | they're more likely to be escaping the hellish conditions the russians imposed on ukraine | Sep 17 16:50 |
| msb__ | I'm telling the truth. Which I find from many sources, not just RT. I've listed some of them here before. | Sep 17 16:50 |
| MinceR | no, you're telling putin's propaganda | Sep 17 16:50 |
| MinceR | and yes, many sources repeat the bullshit from RT uncritically | Sep 17 16:50 |
| MinceR | like your beloved global"research" | Sep 17 16:50 |
| MinceR | which supports every bit of woo and conspiracy theory out there | Sep 17 16:50 |
| msb__ | I suggest to anyone reading MinceR's rants that you look at http://globalresearch.ca/ yourself. It has articles by people from many different nations, | Sep 17 16:51 |
| MinceR | yes, they really should | Sep 17 16:51 |
| MinceR | http://www.globalresearch.ca/chemtrails-the-consequences-of-toxic-metals-and-chemical-aerosols-on-human-health/19047 | Sep 17 16:51 |
| MinceR | http://www.globalresearch.ca/chemtrails-a-planetary-catastrophe-created-by-geo-engineering/5355299 | Sep 17 16:51 |
| MinceR | http://www.globalresearch.ca/chemtrails-the-secret-war/5421137 | Sep 17 16:51 |
| MinceR | http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-fda-and-big-pharmas-latest-killer-agenda-destroy-homeopathic-medicine/5455093 | Sep 17 16:52 |
| MinceR | http://www.globalresearch.ca/vaccination-myths-and-truths/14618 | Sep 17 16:52 |
| MinceR | http://www.globalresearch.ca/drug-companies-donated-millions-to-california-lawmakers-prior-to-forced-vaccination-bill/5457393 | Sep 17 16:52 |
| MinceR | http://www.globalresearch.ca/mysterious-death-body-of-doctor-who-linked-vaccines-to-autism-found-floating-in-river/5458983 | Sep 17 16:52 |
| MinceR | wow, what a trustworthy source. | Sep 17 16:52 |
| MinceR | a good fit for putinist propaganda | Sep 17 16:52 |
| msb__ | I haven't read those articles, but from the titles they are accurate, except for the one about homeopathy, which I think doesn't work. | Sep 17 16:53 |
| MinceR | yet you promote this site as an arbiter of truth | Sep 17 16:53 |
| msb__ | As to geoengineering -- chemtrails and HAARP -- this site has a wealth of detailed information: http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/ | Sep 17 16:54 |
| MinceR | if you hate human rights so much, why not move to russia or north korea? | Sep 17 16:54 |
| MinceR | if you think other people don't deserve freedom, why insist on it for yourself? | Sep 17 16:54 |
| msb__ | To any readers: I'm not able to type fast enough to refute all of MinceR's personal attacks. So please don't think that I accept the ones that I don't answer. | Sep 17 16:56 |
| MinceR | of course, pasting bullshit from RT and global"research" is more pleasant to a putin-worshipper than trying to give answers | Sep 17 16:57 |
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| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Sep 17 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | Yes, the sheriff's department in Habersham County, Georgia (overwhelmingly conservative county) burned a baby's face off and blinded it for life by tossing a flashbang grenade in through the window, which landed in the infant's crib. | Sep 17 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | In the end, they arrested dad, for possession of about an ounce of marijuana. | Sep 17 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | I have a friend in Habersham County. Clarkesville, to be precise. Beautiful place, but I'd never want to live somewhere that conservative, where the Sheriff drives up in an MRAP and blows a baby's face off over a misdemeanor marijuana case. | Sep 17 18:15 |
| MinceR | wow | Sep 17 18:17 |
| MinceR | they really love their new toys, don't they? | Sep 17 18:17 |
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| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Sep 17 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | No medical treatment will make up for the permanent disfigurement and blindness, and any money the family gets will just be taken from other taxpayers because the police don't have any money that belongs to them. | Sep 17 18:31 |
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| msb__ | Although I don't believe in homeopathy, I think that adults should be allowed to use whatever medical techniques they want. Maybe homeopathy works for some people. Rupert Sheldrake has demonstrated that conventional science simply ignores some facts, such as the variability of the speed of light. | Sep 17 18:55 |
| msb__ | But even if globalresearch.ca publishes an article that is incorrect in some ways, that doesn't mean that the rest of its articles are wrong. I do not "promote this site as an arbiter of truth" as MinceR lies. I promote it as an excellent source of information, far more accurate than the USGovt/Corporate mainstream media. | Sep 17 18:57 |
| MinceR | an excellent source of garbage and propaganda | Sep 17 18:58 |
| MinceR | but one's got to stoop so low to find scraps that support putin and his cronies | Sep 17 18:58 |
| msb__ | It certainly disagrees with MinceR's prejudices and obsessions. | Sep 17 18:59 |
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| msb__ | Other than the one on homeopathy, none of the articles that MinceR cited from globalresearch are in doubt. MinceR apparently believes that chemtrails don't exist, and that vaccines never cause harm, and that the recent murders of alternative medical doctors successfully using GcMAF and other techniques to treat cancer and autism should not be investigated. Does he also think that Vitamin C does not cure viral diseases, so antiviral | Sep 17 19:09 |
| msb__ | vaccines should be mandatory? If so, he's wrong. | Sep 17 19:09 |
| MinceR | maybe not in doubt by you | Sep 17 19:10 |
| MinceR | for all the lip service you pay to critical thinking, you accept every single crazy conspiracy theory at face value | Sep 17 19:10 |
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| MinceR | http://english.aawsat.com/2015/06/article55343817/opinion-russia-and-the-danger-of-conspiracy-theories | Sep 17 19:17 |
| msb__ | The matters I have mentioned are not crazy. I have investigated them critically. There is lots of evidence for them. MinceR gives no proof for his rejection of these ideas. | Sep 17 19:18 |
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| MinceR | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eliot-borenstein/why-conspiracy-theories_b_5626149.html | Sep 17 19:26 |
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| DaemonFC | msb__, They should be mandatory. | Sep 17 19:27 |
| msb__ | The aawsat article gives no information, only unproved assertions of Putin's beliefs. | Sep 17 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | if we had today's bumper crop of idiots back in the day, Polio would still be a thing and hospitals full of iron lungs would still be around. | Sep 17 19:27 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Many people have been harmed by vaccines, and the ones against viruses are not necessary at all, because vitamin C reliably cures viral infections. | Sep 17 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | No it doesn't. | Sep 17 19:28 |
| MinceR | an article you don't read has no way of giving you information | Sep 17 19:28 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: polio may yet come back | Sep 17 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | In fact, one cold remedy with vitamin C and zinc was found to damage the sense of smell, permanently. | Sep 17 19:29 |
| MinceR | msb__ and his comrades are fighting for its case | Sep 17 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, msb__ should go to that hospital museum I was in a few weeks ago. | Sep 17 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | They have a working iron lung there. | Sep 17 19:29 |
| MinceR | the age of reason has ended, welcome to the new dark ages | Sep 17 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | He can tell me if he'd like to be inside of it and unable to breathe on his own. | Sep 17 19:30 |
| MinceR | he's always exempted | Sep 17 19:30 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Interesting that you should mention polio. Vitamin C cured it but was ignored. Please read: http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/199x/landwehr-r-j_orthomol_med-1991-v6-n2-p99.htm | Sep 17 19:30 |
| MinceR | everyone should be killed by putin's nukes, but not him | Sep 17 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | There's a few people left in iron lungs from when Polio was common in the US. | Sep 17 19:30 |
| MinceR | everyone should be oppressed by putin and his pals from the KGB, but not him | Sep 17 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | But they're so old that most of them have died of old age. | Sep 17 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | It's like maybe a dozen in the entire country compared to a dozen in nearly every hospital in the 40s. | Sep 17 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather be immune than get something terrible and take vitamin C, which doesn't work. | Sep 17 19:32 |
| MinceR | sure, but msb__ wants you to die instead | Sep 17 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | There's all sorts of supposed AIDS cures in folk medicine as well. Most of the people who took them instead of medicine are dead now. | Sep 17 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | AIDS denial turned out to be a self-correcting problem to a large extent, when most of them ended up dying of AIDS. | Sep 17 19:33 |
| msb__ | Of thousands of alternative medical remedies, that one that involved swabbing the nose with zinc, and one preparation of tryptophan, were found to be harmful. Only those two. | Sep 17 19:33 |
| MinceR | homeopathy was found to be as effective as placebo | Sep 17 19:33 |
| MinceR | (which homeopathy is, of course) | Sep 17 19:33 |
| msb__ | A classic from MinceR: "but msb__ wants you to die". He is really a major sicko. | Sep 17 19:34 |
| MinceR | yeah, the guy who wants everyone to be tortured to death by putin is not a sicko | Sep 17 19:34 |
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| MinceR | the guy who wants to bring back all sorts of diseases is not a sicko | Sep 17 19:34 |
| MinceR | the guy who promotes every conspiracy theory all the time while mouthing off about critical thinking is not a hypocrite | Sep 17 19:35 |
| MinceR | the guy who wants everyone to be ruled by putin but not himself is not a hypocrite | Sep 17 19:35 |
| MinceR | right? | Sep 17 19:35 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: "I'd rather be immune than get something terrible and take vitamin C, which doesn't work" The problem is, many vaccines contain substances like mercury and aluminum which are neurotoxic, and cause terrible harm to some people. Also, Vitamin C does work. I hope you read the article about polio. | Sep 17 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | Well, modern medicine is responsible for the life expectancy enjoyed in the western world. | Sep 17 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | The average Russian is doing good to make it to 62. The life expectancy for someone born this year in the US is like 83. | Sep 17 19:36 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Have you now read it? | Sep 17 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, many Russians smoke and consume a lot of alcohol, which would indicate that their quality of life is low and they make up for it by drugging themselves. | Sep 17 19:37 |
| MinceR | if msb__ had any clue about chemistry, he would realize that the properties of compounds are not determined solely by the elements they're composed of | Sep 17 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | Vladimir Putin implemented price controls on vodka so they could keep getting themselves drunk while his policies are destroying their lives. | Sep 17 19:37 |
| msb__ | Mercury is always poisonous. | Sep 17 19:37 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Interesting that you should mention polio. Vitamin C cured it but was ignored. Please read: http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/199x/landwehr-r-j_orthomol_med-1991-v6-n2-p99.htm | Sep 17 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | The fact that the price controls on vodka were one of his first responses suggests that he knows his policies are not good for the average Russian. | Sep 17 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | Unpopular leaders try to fashion themselves into wartime leaders to shore up their popularity. | Sep 17 19:38 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Will you read the seanet article? | Sep 17 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | So he's been annexing territory by force and telling the people who live there that they can either take Russian citizenship or flee and leave their homes behind. | Sep 17 19:39 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Will you read the seanet article? | Sep 17 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | Then they have a vote on how many people want to be Russians, while Russian soldiers stand there with assault rifles watching them vote. | Sep 17 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I wonder how the election will go! :) | Sep 17 19:40 |
| msb__ | I guess not. | Sep 17 19:40 |
| msb__ | Neither of you has given any proof that the Crimean vote was done with gunmen watching the voters. | Sep 17 19:41 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: lol | Sep 17 19:42 |
| MinceR | just like in crimea | Sep 17 19:42 |
| MinceR | msb__: will you read the vox article? | Sep 17 19:43 |
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| msb__ | I already did, and responded to it. | Sep 17 19:44 |
| MinceR | what was your response to it? | Sep 17 19:44 |
| MinceR | wait, let me guess | Sep 17 19:44 |
| MinceR | "CIA propaganda" | Sep 17 19:44 |
| MinceR | did i get it right? | Sep 17 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The Crimea election was about as legitimate as the elections in Nazi Germany. | Sep 17 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I'm not so certain that we have a secret ballot in the US anymore. | Sep 17 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | They scan your driver's license or state ID and it pulls up a thing telling them whether or not you're allowed to vote. | Sep 17 19:46 |
| MinceR | if only hitler called himself stalin and used a hammer and a sickle instead of a swastika, msb__ would worship him too | Sep 17 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | Then they put a key in the voting machine and turn it, which brings up your ballot. | Sep 17 19:46 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, If I'm still in Huntington in 2019, I think I'll run for mayor. | Sep 17 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | No Democrats filed to run this year. | Sep 17 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | If I'm the only one that files, I'm guaranteed to be the nominee. :P | Sep 17 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | I think it could be fun to have the local newspapers asking me questions. | Sep 17 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | "Why are your running?" | Sep 17 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | Well, because the Republicans were the only candidate and I thought I'd give the people one more choice than they have in Communist China. | Sep 17 19:51 |
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| msb__ | MinceR has said today that I worship Hitler, Stalin and Putin, and that I want to enslave, nuke, and kill everyone in the world. He keeps making these statements even though I deny them, and even though he can't provide any proof for them. They are only his total misinterpretations of things I've written. But he keeps on lying about me. Will he ever stop? | Sep 17 20:08 |
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| msb__ | Excellent RT program "Crosstalk" on "Ukraine's hard choices". One journalist showed a picture of a billboard put up by the Ukraine Security Service in a city next to Crimea, which says "separatism, russophilia, federalism -- we will cure you of it" and shows a man in prison, with his hands clutching the bars. http://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/315813-kiev-regime-minsk-agreement/ Downloadable with VideoDownloadHelper | Sep 18 12:12 |
| msb__ | The participants describe various ways that the Kiev govt is emulating the principles of Stefan Bandera, the Ukrainian who worked with the German Nazis during WW2. | Sep 18 12:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Continually updated home security appliance | Sep 18 12:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | runs Linux http://t.co/5Y1mPgPRTr | Sep 18 12:14 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat Looks Poised to Rise After Monday's | Sep 18 12:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Quarterly Report http://t.co/M1eRLhpCKq | Sep 18 12:14 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open source is way forward: Red Hat | Sep 18 12:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/zkE5xSUqen (www.mydigitalfc.com) | Sep 18 12:14 |
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| msb__ | But not simplicity, modularity, transparency. | Sep 18 12:15 |
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| msb__ | You are oppressing yourself more than any outside influence. | Sep 19 00:36 |
| msb__ | Here we are at what will hopefully be the Great Turning of humanity, and all you're doing is whining about negative things and ignoring all the positive ones. Get a fucking grip man! | Sep 19 00:38 |
| MinceR | i did get a grip | Sep 19 00:39 |
| msb__ | Eat some chocolate. Watch a good movie. Snuggle a cat. | Sep 19 00:39 |
| MinceR | and i saw things i wished i didn't see | Sep 19 00:39 |
| MinceR | the concrete box i'm trying to live in is unsuitable for cats to live in | Sep 19 00:39 |
| msb__ | Get two of them so they have fun together. Then the small space won't matter. | Sep 19 00:40 |
| msb__ | Do you have a mate? Love and orgasms would help you feel better. | Sep 19 00:42 |
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| MinceR | no | Sep 19 00:42 |
| MinceR | all these things you listed are merely distractions anyway | Sep 19 00:43 |
| msb__ | The beginning of Wilhelm Reich's discovery of the Emotional Plague was when he was treating a neurotic with standard Freudian therapy, and the guy got a girlfriend and started having sex, and his symptoms disappeared! | Sep 19 00:45 |
| MinceR | and yet the world is still going to shit | Sep 19 00:46 |
| msb__ | You need to do things to get rid of your depression. I don't recommend SSRI drugs because they're addictive. | Sep 19 00:46 |
| MinceR | nothing i can do will make the root cause go away | Sep 19 00:46 |
| msb__ | The world is also improving in some ways. | Sep 19 00:47 |
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| MinceR | "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." - Jiddu Krishnamurti | Sep 19 00:47 |
| msb__ | The root cause is that you spend your time obsessing about Putin and Orban when you could be doing other, positive, things. | Sep 19 00:48 |
| MinceR | no, the root cause is that i'm trapped in a society that is obsessed with stupidity for the sake of stupidity and evil for the sake of evil | Sep 19 00:48 |
| msb__ | Society is sick in some ways, but it's also getting better. You need to do the same. | Sep 19 00:48 |
| msb__ | Kill for the love of killing! Kill for the love of Kali Linux! | Sep 19 00:49 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 19 00:49 |
| MinceR | perhaps the best thing humanity can manage to do is to develop a strong AI that can survive the human species | Sep 19 00:50 |
| msb__ | Yeah, what could possibly go wrong with that? | Sep 19 00:51 |
| MinceR | compared to the human species itself, nothing | Sep 19 00:51 |
| msb__ | I'll bet you didn't even read the new version of my Cause and Cure page, which I spent hours on today, did you? | Sep 19 00:53 |
| MinceR | well, if you wrote it today, i didn't read it | Sep 19 00:53 |
| msb__ | Then read it. | Sep 19 00:53 |
| msb__ | http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html | Sep 19 00:54 |
| MinceR | at least a strong AI can improve itself | Sep 19 00:55 |
| MinceR | apparently the human species can't | Sep 19 00:55 |
| MinceR | i've read this before | Sep 19 01:07 |
| msb__ | I've added a lot. | Sep 19 01:08 |
| msb__ | If I found an IRC channel for help with depression, would you access it? | Sep 19 01:08 |
| MinceR | probably not | Sep 19 01:09 |
| MinceR | symptomatic treatment is usually not my thing | Sep 19 01:09 |
| msb__ | Your problem is that you're obsessively focussing your attention on negative things. | Sep 19 01:10 |
| msb__ | That's what's causing your symptoms. | Sep 19 01:10 |
| MinceR | my problem is that i observe the reality i'm living in? | Sep 19 01:11 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't have it any other way | Sep 19 01:11 |
| msb__ | No, it's that you observe only narrowly selected parts of reality. | Sep 19 01:11 |
| msb__ | Do you have enough food to eat? Water to drink? | Sep 19 01:13 |
| msb__ | Putin and Orban aren't actually doing anything to you right now. | Sep 19 01:13 |
| msb__ | You have good computer access. | Sep 19 01:13 |
| MinceR | that's probably false | Sep 19 01:13 |
| msb__ | Are you physically ill? | Sep 19 01:13 |
| MinceR | they're both plotting my painful death | Sep 19 01:14 |
| msb__ | What's false? | Sep 19 01:14 |
| msb__ | They don't even know you! | Sep 19 01:14 |
| MinceR | or maybe orban is sucking putin down at this moment | Sep 19 01:14 |
| MinceR | they know enough about me to desire my death | Sep 19 01:14 |
| MinceR | i support their opposition | Sep 19 01:14 |
| MinceR | i support democracy and liberty | Sep 19 01:15 |
| MinceR | that's sufficient to make them hate me | Sep 19 01:15 |
| msb__ | Alright, you're a bull-goose looney and you want to stay that way. My condolences. I seem to be wasting my time with you, so I'll wish you well and do something else. | Sep 19 01:17 |
| MinceR | uh huh | Sep 19 01:20 |
| MinceR | it takes a huge leap to realize that putin and orban hate people who oppose them and wish to harm them | Sep 19 01:20 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open source ‘essential for heritage | Sep 19 03:26 |
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| MinceR | http://existentialcomics.com/comic/19 | Sep 19 04:07 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Exploring Tiling Window Managers | Sep 19 09:47 |
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| msb__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIKLWcx8Zic "THE BEST VACCINE INFORMATION VIDEO EVER!" | Sep 19 10:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Meet BlackBerry's top-secret Android device | Sep 19 10:41 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines $15 plug-in crypto key supports RPi and other | Sep 19 10:41 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Hands-on with Manjaro Linux 15.09: A new | Sep 19 10:52 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines ExTiX LXQt Breathes New Life Into Weak Hardware | Sep 19 10:52 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines It's Official, There Are Now Over 1,500 Linux | Sep 19 10:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Games in Valve's Steam Library | Sep 19 10:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/qnuqL5g66b (news.softpedia.com) | Sep 19 10:52 |
| TweetTuxMachines | number grows very fast | Sep 19 10:52 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Installing Linux on a Chromebook: What you need | Sep 19 10:53 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/ntkwx | Sep 19 10:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Hands-on with Manjaro Linux 15.09: A new | Sep 19 10:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | favourite http://t.co/vPqv7R8MbL | Sep 19 10:53 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines ExTiX LXQt Breathes New Life Into Weak Hardware | Sep 19 10:53 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Football Manager 2016 Arrives on Linux in | Sep 19 15:45 |
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| MinceR | msb__: people's intentions don't have to be directed against me personally. it's enough if they're directed against a group i'm a member of. | Sep 19 15:45 |
| msb__ | but you still worry about them far more than is justified | Sep 19 15:46 |
| msb__ | have to go to bathroom now, back in about 30 minutes. Not trying to avoid you! | Sep 19 15:46 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR, msb__: What're you talking about? :) | Sep 19 15:47 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: msb__ is confusing being a realist with being pessimist | Sep 19 15:49 |
| MinceR | s/pessimist/depressed/ | Sep 19 15:49 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Religious stuff again? | Sep 19 15:49 |
| MinceR | not entirely | Sep 19 15:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Why Ubuntu? http://t.co/8Zn4aJ8GeZ | Sep 19 16:03 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu-Based Linux Mangaka Distro for Anime and | Sep 19 16:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Manga Fans Moves from KDE to MATE | Sep 19 16:03 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Cuba's Ubuntu Linux-Based Open Source Linux OS | Sep 19 16:03 |
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| msb__ | MinceR: back now | Sep 19 16:26 |
| msb__ | XRevan86: I wrote a list of thinking errors that's causing MinceR to be depressed. It's a shame you don't have scrollback so you can't see it. | Sep 19 16:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Snapdeal Reveals Dedicated Website for | Sep 19 16:27 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Why Ubuntu? http://t.co/cb2O83msUo | Sep 19 16:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 19 16:28 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu-Based Linux Mangaka Distro for Anime and | Sep 19 16:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Manga Fans Moves from KDE to MATE | Sep 19 16:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/0VFXq0PzqF (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 19 16:28 |
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| MinceR | msb__'s proposed solution for being depressed by the state of the world is to distract and delude oneself about it | Sep 19 16:28 |
| msb__ | MinceR: If the probability of a bad event is very low, then worrying about it constantly is pessimism, not realism. | Sep 19 16:28 |
| MinceR | who said it was low? | Sep 19 16:28 |
| msb__ | For example WW3. US and Russia have been threatening each other for 70 years and it hasn't happened. | Sep 19 16:29 |
| MinceR | things have changed recently | Sep 19 16:30 |
| msb__ | 1. If something bad might happen, even with a low probability, you assume it _will_ happen. | Sep 19 16:31 |
| msb__ | 2. If something negative occurs, you assume that it will be expanded and exaggerated as much as possible. | Sep 19 16:31 |
| msb__ | 3. If something isn't perfect, you tell yourself that it doesn't exist at all. | Sep 19 16:31 |
| msb__ | 4. You describe what you assume are people's bad intentions, as if they are directed against you personally. That causes your associative mind, which takes statements literally, to become very frightened. | Sep 19 16:31 |
| msb__ | US is attacking Russa via Ukraine Nazi coup. But that is very far from nuclear war. | Sep 19 16:33 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Did you read that pdf about RET? | Sep 19 16:34 |
| MinceR | what's putin threatening with is far closer to nuclear war | Sep 19 16:34 |
| MinceR | dunno | Sep 19 16:34 |
| msb__ | http://www.rational.org.nz/prof-docs/Intro-CBT.pdf | Sep 19 16:35 |
| msb__ | What is Putin threatening with? | Sep 19 16:36 |
| MinceR | nuclear escalation | Sep 19 16:36 |
| MinceR | and nuking european states | Sep 19 16:36 |
| msb__ | Israel has threatened that. Where has Putin threatened it? | Sep 19 16:37 |
| MinceR | i've already linked to articles about it, but you ignored them because they say bad things about putin | Sep 19 16:39 |
| XRevan86 | Putin threatened with a nuke? | Sep 19 16:39 |
| msb__ | BTW here is page about CIA influence on Western media: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird | Sep 19 16:40 |
| MinceR | http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-threatens-to-use-nuclear-force-over-crimea-and-the-baltic-states-10150565.html | Sep 19 16:42 |
| MinceR | http://www.vox.com/2015/6/29/8858909/russia-war-flowchart | Sep 19 16:43 |
| MinceR | http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/russia-issues-nuclear-threat-over-crimea-baltic-states-1494675 | Sep 19 16:43 |
| MinceR | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11547247/Europe-faces-a-real-threat-from-Russia-warns-US-army-commander.html | Sep 19 16:44 |
| MinceR | even denmark is being threatened | Sep 19 16:44 |
| MinceR | "Meanwhile, Russia has been flying its nuclear-capable strategic bombers along NATO airspace, often with the planes' transponders switched off, making an accident or misperception more likely. As if that weren't dangerous enough, the bombers — hulking, decades-old Tupolev Tu-95 models — have become prone to accidents such as engine fires. What if a Tu-95 went down unexpectedly, say, off the coast of Norway? What if it was carrying nuclear warhe | Sep 19 16:45 |
| MinceR | -- http://www.vox.com/2015/6/29/8845913/russia-war | Sep 19 16:45 |
| msb__ | Nukes don't detonate if a plane crashes. | Sep 19 16:46 |
| MinceR | they merely release fallout | Sep 19 16:46 |
| MinceR | which is great | Sep 19 16:46 |
| msb__ | Very little. | Sep 19 16:46 |
| MinceR | but it doesn't matter to you because you don't live there | Sep 19 16:46 |
| MinceR | and you've already dehumanized non-russians | Sep 19 16:46 |
| msb__ | The bomb core is solid metal. Fallout is fine particles in the air. | Sep 19 16:47 |
| MinceR | they're expendable in the pursuit of the glory of the russian empire to you | Sep 19 16:47 |
| MinceR | and to putler as well | Sep 19 16:47 |
| MinceR | i'm sure a bomb could not be damaged in a plane crash | Sep 19 16:47 |
| MinceR | apparently plane crashes can't damage anything | Sep 19 16:47 |
| MinceR | they're like nerf darts | Sep 19 16:47 |
| msb__ | Now you're exaggerating -- Straw Man fallacy | Sep 19 16:48 |
| MinceR | fallacy fallacy | Sep 19 16:48 |
| msb__ | yes yes | Sep 19 16:48 |
| MinceR | http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420510/putin-wields-nuclear-threat-and-plays-fire-keith-b-payne | Sep 19 16:48 |
| MinceR | http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/16/us-russia-nuclear-putin-idUSKBN0OW17X20150616 | Sep 19 16:48 |
| msb__ | The Reuters article says that the US is moving heavy weapons to Russia's border, and Putin's threats are a response to that. | Sep 19 16:53 |
| MinceR | which of those heavy weapons is nuclear? | Sep 19 16:53 |
| msb__ | The US agressed against Russia by installing a Nazi govt in Ukraine. That's what started all this, not Putin. You keep ignoring that. | Sep 19 16:54 |
| MinceR | that's bullshit and you're also ignoring the point | Sep 19 16:54 |
| MinceR | the only one issuing nuclear threats is putin | Sep 19 16:54 |
| MinceR | so if the sky gets dark for 8 years over there in the usa, and you can't get food and starve to death, you can know it was because of the fascist asshole you worship and advertise here every day | Sep 19 16:55 |
| MinceR | and yet when i say humans tend to want to become extinct, you say i'm depressed | Sep 19 16:55 |
| XRevan86 | This is not really bullshit. NATO is caging Russia for a fact, and guess who doesn't like that. | Sep 19 16:56 |
| MinceR | at least the NATO doesn't force its own regime and rulers on its allies | Sep 19 16:56 |
| MinceR | and the NATO doesn't annex regions it fancies | Sep 19 16:56 |
| XRevan86 | Libya wasn't an ally, that makes sense. | Sep 19 16:56 |
| MinceR | guess who forcibly introduced state socialism on the region that was allocated to them by the great powers after ww2 | Sep 19 16:57 |
| MinceR | that's right, russia | Sep 19 16:57 |
| MinceR | not the usa | Sep 19 16:57 |
| MinceR | not any other nato member | Sep 19 16:57 |
| MinceR | guess who quelled revolutions against that regime | Sep 19 16:57 |
| MinceR | that's right, fucking russia again | Sep 19 16:58 |
| MinceR | and yet not a day goes by without msb__ saying how the USA and the NATO is the devil | Sep 19 16:58 |
| XRevan86 | Shock therapy: an enforcing of market economy at a very fast rate | Sep 19 16:58 |
| msb__ | MinceR: STOP THE PERSONAL ATTACKS. | Sep 19 16:58 |
| MinceR | enforcing a command economy wasn't even "therapy" | Sep 19 16:58 |
| XRevan86 | was done by NATO to its allies lots of times | Sep 19 16:58 |
| MinceR | it was merely the destruction of all economies in the eastern bloc | Sep 19 16:58 |
| MinceR | including that of hungary and the baltic states | Sep 19 16:59 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Exactly like "shock therapy" | Sep 19 16:59 |
| MinceR | luckily it also destroyed the economy of the ussr | Sep 19 16:59 |
| XRevan86 | that's how conversion is done | Sep 19 16:59 |
| MinceR | so those assholes took their military out of these countries | Sep 19 16:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Cuba's GNU/Linux http://t.co/StfQ84FE3z | Sep 19 16:59 |
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| MinceR | but now they're coming back | Sep 19 16:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Snapdeal Reveals Dedicated Website for | Sep 19 16:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Ubuntu-Powered Devices http://t.co/vUL0qZxMVu | Sep 19 16:59 |
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| MinceR | and msb__ is cheering them on from his armchair in the usa | Sep 19 16:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat: API layer is the key to successful | Sep 19 16:59 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: This is personal. | Sep 19 17:00 |
| MinceR | what is? | Sep 19 17:00 |
| msb__ | MinceR: STOP THE PERSONAL ATTACKS. | Sep 19 17:00 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: You really think Russia will do something about Hungary? | Sep 19 17:00 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: i do | Sep 19 17:00 |
| XRevan86 | I don't. | Sep 19 17:00 |
| MinceR | i expect our nazis to go to putin for handouts once they finally get hungary kicked out of the eu | Sep 19 17:01 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Your nazis, your problem. | Sep 19 17:01 |
| MinceR | those nazis are | Sep 19 17:01 |
| MinceR | but the other nazis, like the ones in russia, aren't only my problem | Sep 19 17:02 |
| MinceR | even if some people lie to themselves and take drugs to feel better about it, everybody's under threat from putler | Sep 19 17:02 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Nazis in Russia are not powerful, hopefully. | Sep 19 17:03 |
| MinceR | i'd say putler is pretty powerful | Sep 19 17:03 |
| MinceR | considering that he owns the country and all | Sep 19 17:04 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: If you think Russia is Nazi, then it's as Nazi as any other country. | Sep 19 17:04 |
| MinceR | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2291128/ | Sep 19 17:04 |
| MinceR | consider that russia has a lot more nukes than india and pakistan added together | Sep 19 17:05 |
| MinceR | also, iirc the 5 years estimate was upgraded to 8 years more recently, but i can't find it | Sep 19 17:05 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: which part of nazism are you missing there? | Sep 19 17:05 |
| MinceR | the nationalism? | Sep 19 17:05 |
| MinceR | the extreme authoritarianism? | Sep 19 17:05 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The nationalism. | Sep 19 17:06 |
| MinceR | look harder, then | Sep 19 17:06 |
| MinceR | it doesn't get any more nationalist than putin | Sep 19 17:06 |
| MinceR | even when the russians pretended they were called councils, not russians, they were pretty damn nationalistic and imperialistic | Sep 19 17:06 |
| MinceR | that didn't get any better since | Sep 19 17:06 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Nazism serves global corporations Russia does not. You are constantly misusing the word "Nazi". | Sep 19 17:07 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I'll think about that after the usual negro hunt. | Sep 19 17:08 |
| MinceR | i have yet to see a definition of nazism that involves global corporations | Sep 19 17:08 |
| MinceR | msb__: says the guy who paints an entire government "nazi" because there is a small minority of nazis in it | Sep 19 17:08 |
| msb__ | "Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini; | Sep 19 17:09 |
| MinceR | iirc that's a different sense of "corporation" | Sep 19 17:10 |
| MinceR | either way, afaik in russia most big companies are owned by putin or the state or one of putin's pals from the KGB | Sep 19 17:10 |
| MinceR | so there's the "merger of state and corporate power" you're looking for | Sep 19 17:10 |
| msb__ | American fascism serves _global_ corporations. | Sep 19 17:11 |
| MinceR | for example, gazprom had a hand in threatening to shut off gas supply to ukraine and other european countries when it was convenient to putin | Sep 19 17:11 |
| MinceR | putin wishes his corporations were global | Sep 19 17:11 |
| MinceR | and the nuclear winter he will cause _will_ be global | Sep 19 17:12 |
| MinceR | yes, even in the usa, where you believe yourself to be safe from the consequences of your wishes | Sep 19 17:12 |
| msb__ | And european companies shut off trade with russia when US requested it | Sep 19 17:12 |
| MinceR | as they should | Sep 19 17:12 |
| MinceR | trading with russia is toxic to everyone | Sep 19 17:12 |
| msb__ | But gazprom should not? | Sep 19 17:12 |
| MinceR | russia is the aggressor | Sep 19 17:13 |
| MinceR | gazprom is not a victim | Sep 19 17:13 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Double standards. Both sides are doing the same thing, but Russia isn't global. | Sep 19 17:13 |
| XRevan86 | but Russia is the one to blame | Sep 19 17:13 |
| msb__ | US attacked Russia via the coup in Ukraine! | Sep 19 17:13 |
| MinceR | every bit of profit that goes to the russian oligarchs contributes to the global threat | Sep 19 17:13 |
| XRevan86 | not the second to blame %) | Sep 19 17:13 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: no, russia is the only one threatening us all with nukes. | Sep 19 17:13 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: USA don't have to use nukes. | Sep 19 17:13 |
| MinceR | and some minor fundies, but not the USA or the NATO | Sep 19 17:13 |
| msb__ | US attacked Russia via the coup in Ukraine! Before that there was not trouble between US and Russia. | Sep 19 17:14 |
| MinceR | msb__: russia hijacked the government of ukraine, and the people rebelled against that. | Sep 19 17:14 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: What? | Sep 19 17:14 |
| msb__ | The previous govt was elected. | Sep 19 17:14 |
| MinceR | russia also regularly uses hungary as a spy/lobbyist in the NATO and the EU | Sep 19 17:14 |
| XRevan86 | After Ushenko who sucked people elected Yanukovich | Sep 19 17:14 |
| MinceR | msb__: you know who else was elected? hitler. | Sep 19 17:14 |
| XRevan86 | nobody hijacked him | Sep 19 17:14 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Who hijacked Hitler? | Sep 19 17:15 |
| XRevan86 | Russia? | Sep 19 17:15 |
| MinceR | msb__: yet i don't see you openly promoting the principles of nazism | Sep 19 17:15 |
| msb__ | MinceR: so you're saying that elections are irrelevant? | Sep 19 17:15 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: hitler didn't need to be hijacked | Sep 19 17:15 |
| MinceR | msb__: russian-style "elections" are | Sep 19 17:15 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Yanukovich too. | Sep 19 17:15 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Ushenko collapsed Ukrainian economy, and Ukrainians wanted to see the other way. | Sep 19 17:16 |
| MinceR | i bet msb__ wouldn't insist on letting an elected politician filling out his term if the politician didn't happen to be putin's puppet | Sep 19 17:16 |
| XRevan86 | and the other way wasn't of their liking too apparently | Sep 19 17:16 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: well, they're seeing it now | Sep 19 17:16 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Where do you see Russia in this? | Sep 19 17:16 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: behind yanukovych, for example | Sep 19 17:17 |
| msb__ | MinceR: That's another personal attack. If you do one more I will ignore your garbage and never respond to you (but I will keep posting facts that refute your garbage). | Sep 19 17:17 |
| MinceR | also behind the invasion of ukraine | Sep 19 17:17 |
| MinceR | msb__: you have yet to post any facts | Sep 19 17:17 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: And that means… | Sep 19 17:17 |
| MinceR | msb__: all you have is russowanker bullshit | Sep 19 17:17 |
| msb__ | Goodbye, you piece of shit. | Sep 19 17:17 |
| XRevan86 | This is messed up. | Sep 19 17:17 |
| MinceR | msb__: https://www.lleitmotif.net/shop/images/product/1229-saveplanet-520-front.jpg | Sep 19 17:18 |
| XRevan86 | (17:13:00) MinceR: msb__: russia hijacked the government of ukraine, and the people rebelled against that. | Sep 19 17:19 |
| msb__ | They rebelled against it while being machine-gunned by Svoboda/Right-Sector from rooftops. | Sep 19 17:20 |
| XRevan86 | Yanukovych, the elected president who's presidental campaign was pro-Russian, stalled eurointegration, after that the thing happend. | Sep 19 17:20 |
| XRevan86 | Russia didn't bring Yanukovych to power. | Sep 19 17:20 |
| MinceR | msb__: i thought you were ignoring me, you fascist piece of shit | Sep 19 17:20 |
| XRevan86 | Russia didn't bring Ushenko to power, that was colour "revolution" | Sep 19 17:21 |
| msb__ | Experience of impoverished countries like Greece in EU is not good. | Sep 19 17:22 |
| MinceR | luckily, none of that will matter once humanity exterminates itself as msb__ wishes they did | Sep 19 17:23 |
| msb__ | EU, US, IMF push high-interest loans on countries, and when they can't pay back, demand "austerity" -- starving the poor. | Sep 19 17:23 |
| MinceR | poverty won't matter anymore once everybody is dead | Sep 19 17:23 |
| msb__ | XRevan86: You there? | Sep 19 17:28 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: I am. | Sep 19 17:28 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: Russians will kill us all. | Sep 19 17:29 |
| msb__ | Here's the latest version of my history of everything 8*) : http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html | Sep 19 17:29 |
| msb__ | Your comments are welcome! | Sep 19 17:30 |
| msb__ | Here is Western truth-teller Max Keiser on RT telling how high-frequency trading is ripping off US economy and giving the money to the ultra-wealthy. | Sep 19 17:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat: API layer is the key to successful | Sep 19 17:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | microservices http://t.co/tzcI7NEEYO | Sep 19 17:40 |
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| MinceR | lol, "truth-teller on RT" | Sep 19 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/642983543921078272 | Sep 13 04:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz ... but still cooperates with #Microsoft ((( | Sep 13 04:58 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I am going to be away for two weeks, I think you have ops in case some trolls show up and vandlaise the channels | Sep 13 06:20 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MIIS_Cyber/status/643009123945058305 https://twitter.com/encycl/status/643009173689532416 | Sep 13 06:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MIIS_Cyber: @schestowitz @_PaulH93 flea market netbook + tails seems a better move | Sep 13 06:33 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@encycl: @schestowitz That's never been tested, but DHS et al assert the border exception extends 100 mi in from the border. | Sep 13 06:33 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/643009387716481025 | Sep 13 06:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: Thus…the #UnitedKingdom's #monarchy is as #evil as the #USA Empire #plutocracy? Both pretending to be 'democracies': https://t.co/ldvvn6ejYP | Sep 13 06:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: I am going to be away for two weeks, but cannot take my laptop anymore. Airport authorities can now DEMAND decryption keys at the border. | Sep 13 06:34 | |
| schestowitz | I think the precedent was in Canada | Sep 13 06:34 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BrettGarrot/status/643009599096922112 | Sep 13 06:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrettGarrot: Thus…the #UnitedKingdom's #monarchy is as #evil as the #USA Empire #plutocracy? Both pretending to be 'democracies… https://t.co/lj0mtCaniJ | Sep 13 06:34 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/643013196601815040 | Sep 13 06:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SeaH2ONymph: #JamesClapper, director of national intelligence, talks nearly every day with head of #CENTCOM’s intel #StevenGrove https://t.co/1lYth0p8nQ | Sep 13 06:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Who 'runs' the country? Generals and other spooky personnel or elected officials? One wonders: https://t.co/YaDPRXwO9Y | Sep 13 06:52 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/643013313161367552 https://twitter.com/BrettGarrot/status/643013431797391360 | Sep 13 06:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: .@pmharper clings to power: #GetOutOfCanadaLyntonCrosby @AshCallingbull has called for 1st Nations to 'vote'him out https://t.co/K98fda63CM | Sep 13 06:52 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrettGarrot: Thus…the #UnitedKingdom's #monarchy is as #evil as the #USA Empire #plutocracy? Both pretending to be 'democracies… https://t.co/lj0mtCaniJ | Sep 13 06:52 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/encycl/status/643017413475176449 | Sep 13 07:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@encycl: @schestowitz David S Cohen is Deputy Director. | Sep 13 07:05 | |
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| schestowitz | [12:54] <schestowitz> https://twitter.com/glynco/status/643027795870920708 | Sep 13 07:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynco: @schestowitz @Harrisonxjacobs agree...just as those disseminating false reports about al-Qa'ida and the CIA torture program should have. | Sep 13 07:54 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/643027344517677056 | Sep 13 07:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Airport authorities have managed to take all joy away from the miracle of flight. Way to go. | Sep 13 07:54 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FilmCriticOne/status/643028472424742913 | Sep 13 07:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FilmCriticOne: @schestowitz CIA should have been disbanded when is was OSS. They have caused more wars than the Bush family. | Sep 13 07:55 | |
| MinceR | schestowitz: ok | Sep 13 08:19 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynco/status/643035601244192768 | Sep 13 08:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynco: @schestowitz @Harrisonxjacobs part of an orchestrated CIA coms strategy that continues today w the ghost writing of books & Rebuttal | Sep 13 08:22 | |
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| schestowitz | They call it "information war", or "psychological warfare", helping to reinforce semi-truths or fiction, creating uncertainty a la climate change | Sep 13 08:22 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynco/status/643037565914869761 | Sep 13 08:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynco: @schestowitz @Harrisonxjacobs also known as perception management | Sep 13 08:25 | |
| schestowitz | In the PR industry, yes.... I wrote a lot about it in the context of the software industry | Sep 13 08:25 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynco/status/643037565914869761 | Sep 13 08:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian Installer Stretch Alpha 3 Released | Tux Machines | Sep 13 10:40 | |
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| msb__ | New documentary, packed full of detailed information: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqqelDq4P48 | Sep 13 12:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | 9/11: Decade of Deception (Full Film NEW 2015) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nruac ] | Sep 13 12:46 | |
| MinceR | https://startpage.com/do/metasearch.pl?q=germany%20suspends%20schengen | Sep 13 12:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-startpage.com | germany suspends schengen - Startpage Web Search [ http://ur1.ca/nrucr ] | Sep 13 12:54 | |
| MinceR | the end of the EU? | Sep 13 12:55 |
| msb__ | It's certainly becoming less unified! And of course its the US destruction of many nations in the Middle East and Africa that have caused all those refugees to flee for their lives. | Sep 13 12:56 |
| MinceR | there's more to it than that | Sep 13 12:57 |
| MinceR | the greek crisis, the hungarian dictatorship | Sep 13 12:57 |
| MinceR | fundie takeover by the EPP | Sep 13 12:57 |
| msb__ | EPP? | Sep 13 12:57 |
| MinceR | European People's Party | Sep 13 12:57 |
| MinceR | corruption resulting in EU institutions upholding foreign megacorporate interests instead of member state/citizen interests | Sep 13 12:58 |
| msb__ | But those problems aren't what the refugees are fleeing from. However, I see that corporate corruption will certainly help the EU to disintegrate, as it does to everything else. | Sep 13 12:59 |
| msb__ | Interesting. European People's Party is conservative (corporatist), but the term People's Party is generally used to denote socialists. So it's deceptive. Like "National Socialists" (Nazis). | Sep 13 13:02 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: Not the only ones. | Sep 13 13:02 |
| msb__ | In some ways, the entire world situation is degenerating. Things are falling apart. And it's all due to the "War on Terror", in which the terrorists -- Mujahideen, Al-Qaeda, ISIL -- are organized and armed by the US, Saudi Arabia, and Israel. And the justification for the war was and is 9/11. And who did 9/11? Watch that video 9/11: Decade of Deception. | Sep 13 13:06 |
| msb__ | Organized ultra-wealthy and ultra-powerful psychopaths are slowly destroying the world. Our only defense is broadcasting the truth, to as many people as possible, using the Internet and Linux. | Sep 13 13:08 |
| MinceR | handling the refugees is just yet another problem | Sep 13 13:09 |
| MinceR | also, in europe, it seems to be common to use "people's party" to refer to christian fundie nazi parties | Sep 13 13:09 |
| MinceR | like kdnp in hungary | Sep 13 13:10 |
| XRevan86 | People's Front for Russia | Sep 13 13:10 |
| msb__ | There is one great advantage that truth has over lies, not matter how many times the lies are repeated: Truth is logically consistent, and is upheld by critical thinking. Lies are not. | Sep 13 13:10 |
| XRevan86 | * All-Russia People's Front | Sep 13 13:10 |
| MinceR | as for the war on terror, that's explainable with incompetence rather than malice | Sep 13 13:10 |
| MinceR | usian attempts to establish democracy in places where the people, the culture are not ready for it | Sep 13 13:11 |
| MinceR | (similarly to hungary) | Sep 13 13:11 |
| msb__ | But the US did not actually do anything to establish democracy in those nations. It attacked them, bombed them, and wrecked them. That results in such fear and chaos that democracy is impossible. | Sep 13 13:12 |
| MinceR | at least in some places they ensured that elections took place, afaik | Sep 13 13:13 |
| MinceR | but it obviously didn't work out in many (if not all) cases | Sep 13 13:13 |
| msb__ | Maybe. But if people are injured, and their friends and relatives are dead, and they can barely find enough food to survive, they aren't going to be able to do the research to find out whom they should vote for to achieve the best results. | Sep 13 13:14 |
| MinceR | they probably don't even know they should | Sep 13 13:16 |
| msb__ | All they know is grief and trying to survive. And being attacked by the warlords that have taken over after the US wrecked their nation. | Sep 13 13:17 |
| msb__ | Is the motivation greed? Oil profits? Weapons profits? The destruction of all nations in the Middle East as desired by the Zionists of Israel? Extension of US power? The psychopathic desire to hurt and kill people? Perhaps all of those. | Sep 13 13:20 |
| MinceR | it could be benign, see above | Sep 13 13:21 |
| msb__ | The US psychopaths have been doing these same things all throughout the 20th century, and now this one. The results have always been bad for the people attacked, and good for the ultra-wealthy. It's been done nearly 100 times, always with the same result. To think that the intentions were good, but it just _accidently_ killed tens of millions of people and wrecked dozens of nations, is not a logically tenable idea. How many times | Sep 13 13:26 |
| msb__ | do you have to be punched in the face before you decide that that person wants to hurt you? | Sep 13 13:26 |
| MinceR | that's not a good analogy | Sep 13 13:27 |
| msb__ | Then forget the analogy. In every case, the ultra-wealthy killed the leaders that were helping the people, and installed leaders that controlled the people so that the ultra-wealthy could go in there and take the natural resources and use the controlled population as slave labor. That's what they did EVERY TIME. It was no accident any time. | Sep 13 13:30 |
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| MinceR | afaik they killed or deposed tyrants | Sep 13 13:35 |
| MinceR | hoping to replace them with a democratic government | Sep 13 13:35 |
| msb__ | That's what they _said_ they did. That's what the CIA told all the corporate media to say they did. But they and the CIA and the corporate media were all LYING. | Sep 13 13:38 |
| MinceR | you're assuming that only they lie | Sep 13 13:38 |
| msb__ | No, I'm accessing facts that _prove_ they are lying. | Sep 13 13:39 |
| msb__ | Do you have a copy of _Killing Hope_ by William Blum? | Sep 13 13:40 |
| MinceR | no | Sep 13 13:40 |
| msb__ | Well, here's his website and several others: http://cosmicpenguin.com/#American_Holocaust | Sep 13 13:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone [ http://ur1.ca/g23vd ] | Sep 13 13:43 | |
| msb__ | But I misread what you said. Yes, I know that others lied too -- Orban, Stalin... | Sep 13 13:45 |
| MinceR | your sources may have lied too | Sep 13 13:45 |
| msb__ | That's where critical thinking comes in. Get information from many different sources, and see which is logically consistent and which is not. | Sep 13 13:46 |
| MinceR | in cases like this, there's plenty of motivation for various parties to lie | Sep 13 13:46 |
| MinceR | how does one find out who's lying and who (if anyone) is telling the truth? | Sep 13 13:46 |
| msb__ | That's where critical thinking comes in. Get information from many different sources, and see which is logically consistent and which is not. | Sep 13 13:46 |
| MinceR | having different sources say the same thing is not enough | Sep 13 13:47 |
| MinceR | if it was, we'd all believe corporate media. | Sep 13 13:47 |
| msb__ | Correct. _You_ have to employ logical reasoning, like the Law of Non-Contradiction, to the information yourself. and you have to be prepared to change your mind about things if your logical pursuits prove that some things you currently believe are false. | Sep 13 13:48 |
| msb__ | That is critical thinking. NOT "What you tell me three times is true", which is part of the Bernays method of brainwashing. | Sep 13 13:50 |
| MinceR | sure, but if two groups of sources contradict each other, that won't tell you which group (if any) is telling the truth | Sep 13 13:51 |
| msb__ | That's not the contradiction to look for. You want to look for contradictions _within_ the information given by each group. For example, if the US govt group always says it's trying to help people, but always ends up hurting people, that's a big fat contradiction. | Sep 13 13:57 |
| MinceR | i've seen plenty of series of failed attempts from others too | Sep 13 13:59 |
| MinceR | but yes, if most/all sources in a group are internally inconsistent, that helps find out what's up | Sep 13 14:00 |
| msb__ | Yes. The US and Stalin and Orban are _all_ evil. | Sep 13 14:01 |
| MinceR | and so's putin | Sep 13 14:02 |
| MinceR | it wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that all human groups are evil | Sep 13 14:03 |
| msb__ | I know. That's because your idea of human nature is erroneous. I keep suggesting that you watch the Korten video and read The Chalice and the Blade to give you a much more accurate idea of human nature. | Sep 13 14:05 |
| msb__ | Humans are inherently good, but easily programmable, by trauma or lying propaganda, to be evil. | Sep 13 14:07 |
| msb__ | That's the truth that I've learned over my 70 years, from many different sources who never even heard of one another. And it's consistent with observed events. | Sep 13 14:08 |
| schestowitz | you stipulate humans are not evil | Sep 13 14:08 |
| schestowitz | but whose standards? | Sep 13 14:08 |
| schestowitz | you could say that about all animals | Sep 13 14:08 |
| schestowitz | are sharks "evil"? | Sep 13 14:08 |
| schestowitz | the notion of good or evil or relative | Sep 13 14:09 |
| schestowitz | some people eat cockroaches, some think that eating beef is killed sacred animal | Sep 13 14:09 |
| schestowitz | cannibalism is even essential to some species | Sep 13 14:10 |
| schestowitz | [18:08] <msb__> Organized ultra-wealthy and ultra-powerful psychopaths are slowly destroying the world. Our only defense is broadcasting the truth, to as many people as possible, using the Internet and Linux. | Sep 13 14:10 |
| schestowitz | I'm all for it | Sep 13 14:10 |
| schestowitz | but you don't broadcase the truth | Sep 13 14:11 |
| schestowitz | you broadcast what you deem suitable for a narrative wherein the US is the moral equivalent of Nazis Germany | Sep 13 14:11 |
| msb__ | First of all, the idea of "evil" is only meaningful in regard to humans, and others with thinking minds, possibly bonobos. | Sep 13 14:11 |
| schestowitz | and Russia is some kind of benign power | Sep 13 14:11 |
| schestowitz | despite all that was done before Hitler even rose to power | Sep 13 14:11 |
| schestowitz | I am a lot more afraid of Russia than I am of the US | Sep 13 14:12 |
| schestowitz | Even if I was Arab I think it would be the case | Sep 13 14:12 |
| schestowitz | Watch how Russia treats its Muslim citizens and neighbours | Sep 13 14:12 |
| schestowitz | they're evil, they express themselves differently and has different propaganda and public enchantment dissemination tactics | Sep 13 14:13 |
| msb__ | And yet the US has wrecked at least 5 nations since 2001, and Russia has not wrecked any. | Sep 13 14:13 |
| schestowitz | I think that some ancestors from my grandma's site escaped Russia a long time ago, maybe hundreds of years, and people STILL escape Russia if they can | Sep 13 14:14 |
| schestowitz | Russia didn't wreck nations? | Sep 13 14:14 |
| MinceR | recently russia has wrecked georgia and ukraine, possibly also belarus | Sep 13 14:14 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: tell him | Sep 13 14:14 |
| msb__ | The US has murdered more than two million people since 2001. | Sep 13 14:14 |
| schestowitz | Bulgaria, Hungary, the whole eastern bloc | Sep 13 14:14 |
| MinceR | they have sights on the baltic countries | Sep 13 14:14 |
| schestowitz | they turned to s*** | Sep 13 14:14 |
| MinceR | before 1990, russia wrecked the entire eastern bloc | Sep 13 14:14 |
| schestowitz | So that Moscow can relish in power and fame | Sep 13 14:14 |
| MinceR | currently putin is supporting hungarian nazis, including jobbik | Sep 13 14:15 |
| msb__ | Russia annexed a small part of Ukraine that requested it. It did not wreck Ukraine. | Sep 13 14:15 |
| MinceR | bela kovacs was one of their agents | Sep 13 14:15 |
| schestowitz | jobbik won't possible play ball with the US, maybe not even NATO | Sep 13 14:15 |
| MinceR | no, that part did not request to be annexed | Sep 13 14:15 |
| schestowitz | maybe can secede from EU | Sep 13 14:15 |
| schestowitz | based on what the Greek Nazis want to do | Sep 13 14:15 |
| msb__ | Yes Russia was evil 50 years ago. It is not acting that way now. | Sep 13 14:16 |
| MinceR | a fake referendum acted out with no credibility attempted to make it seem like they requested it | Sep 13 14:16 |
| MinceR | actually, the behavior of russia changed little since 1980 | Sep 13 14:16 |
| schestowitz | [19:15] <msb__> Russia annexed a small part of Ukraine that requested it. It did not wreck Ukraine. | Sep 13 14:16 |
| schestowitz | It did further up north | Sep 13 14:16 |
| schestowitz | complete chaos there | Sep 13 14:16 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 13 14:16 |
| schestowitz | and it wants to guard its borders | Sep 13 14:16 |
| MinceR | eastern ukraine is a wreck | Sep 13 14:16 |
| MinceR | and i doubt western ukraine is doing much better | Sep 13 14:16 |
| schestowitz | because it cannot tolerate much EU at its doorstep | Sep 13 14:16 |
| MinceR | if anything, russia's behavior is even worse now | Sep 13 14:17 |
| schestowitz | they're connected, and tourism will suffer | Sep 13 14:17 |
| MinceR | as the ussr only used nukes to ensure they don't get nuked themselves | Sep 13 14:17 |
| schestowitz | Ukraine lost a nice airport | Sep 13 14:17 |
| MinceR | while putin is saber-rattling them | Sep 13 14:17 |
| MinceR | and reducing the standards for using them | Sep 13 14:17 |
| msb__ | The people further up north begged Putin to annex their territory also, but he refused. 700,000 refugees have fled from Ukraine to Russia since the US-Nazi regime took over. | Sep 13 14:17 |
| schestowitz | they were not ay mortal danger | Sep 13 14:17 |
| schestowitz | maybe economic refugees (Crimea) | Sep 13 14:18 |
| msb__ | The two of you are double-teaming me, and so rapidly that I can't respond. | Sep 13 14:18 |
| schestowitz | what put them at mortal danger was Russian invaders with snipers included | Sep 13 14:18 |
| MinceR | all this was discussed before | Sep 13 14:18 |
| schestowitz | It's a Turf War | Sep 13 14:18 |
| schestowitz | Same in Syria | Sep 13 14:18 |
| msb__ | Roy, there's a question I've been wanting to ask you. Have you worked in facial-recognition software? | Sep 13 14:18 |
| schestowitz | Syria, IIRC, might even share some border with RS at the north east | Sep 13 14:19 |
| schestowitz | didn't check | Sep 13 14:19 |
| schestowitz | oh, wait | Sep 13 14:19 |
| schestowitz | georgia | Sep 13 14:19 |
| schestowitz | and also armenia would be there | Sep 13 14:19 |
| schestowitz | among other neighbours of turkey | Sep 13 14:19 |
| schestowitz | msb__: no, face verification | Sep 13 14:20 |
| msb__ | What's the difference? | Sep 13 14:20 |
| schestowitz | like airport stuff where you need to check a person is who s/he claims to be | Sep 13 14:20 |
| schestowitz | it's a one-to-one matching problem | Sep 13 14:20 |
| schestowitz | very essential to avoid identity third | Sep 13 14:20 |
| msb__ | Does the government use the results of your work? | Sep 13 14:20 |
| schestowitz | *theft | Sep 13 14:20 |
| schestowitz | like a person flying under the identity of another person's passport | Sep 13 14:21 |
| schestowitz | No, but the EPC funded it | Sep 13 14:21 |
| msb__ | EPC? | Sep 13 14:21 |
| schestowitz | you need to see what Texas Uni and NIST/DARPA do | Sep 13 14:21 |
| msb__ | EPC? | Sep 13 14:22 |
| schestowitz | they take this into the military type domain | Sep 13 14:22 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Sep 13 14:22 |
| msb__ | What is EPC? | Sep 13 14:22 |
| schestowitz | ERC sorry | Sep 13 14:22 |
| schestowitz | !google ERC research | Sep 13 14:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - ERC: European Research Council | http://erc.europa.eu/ | Sep 13 14:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Funding and Grants | ERC: European Research Council | http://erc.europa.eu/funding-and-grants | Sep 13 14:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - European Research Council - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Research_Council | Sep 13 14:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Engineering Research Centers | NSF - National Science Foundation | http://www.nsf.gov/funding/pgm_summ.jsp%3Fpims_id%3D5502 | Sep 13 14:22 |
| schestowitz | Watch what they fund | Sep 13 14:24 |
| msb__ | So if a whistleblower like Snowden or Assange was trying to escape persecution/prosecution by travellling undercover, such software would prevent it. | Sep 13 14:24 |
| schestowitz | I was previously funded by EPSRC | Sep 13 14:25 |
| schestowitz | for medical things | Sep 13 14:25 |
| MinceR | only if they used a fake passport with the wrong photo or something like that | Sep 13 14:25 |
| MinceR | notice that it's one-to-one | Sep 13 14:25 |
| schestowitz | what do you mean by "travellling undercover", using another person's passport? | Sep 13 14:25 |
| MinceR | something like that | Sep 13 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Someone who looks similar? | Sep 13 14:25 |
| schestowitz | !google chengen airport wikileaks | Sep 13 14:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - CIA Travel Advice To Operatives - WikiLeaks | https://wikileaks.org/cia-travel/ | Sep 13 14:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - CIA Travel Advice to Operatives - Press Release - WikiLeaks | https://wikileaks.org/cia-travel/press-release.html | Sep 13 14:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - CIA Assessment on Surviving Secondary Screening ... - WikiLeaks | https://wikileaks.org/cia-travel/secondary-screening/page-1.html | Sep 13 14:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - CIA Assessment on Surviving Secondary Screening at ... - WikiLeaks | https://wikileaks.org/cia-travel/secondary-screening/WikiLeaks_CIA_Assessment_on_Surviving_Secondary_Screening.pdf | Sep 13 14:25 |
| MinceR | oh, msb__ might have meant something different | Sep 13 14:25 |
| schestowitz | I wouldn't accept working on surveillance things | Sep 13 14:26 |
| schestowitz | it's unethical | Sep 13 14:26 |
| schestowitz | There are many computer vision applications | Sep 13 14:27 |
| msb__ | It could catch both terrorists and heroes. | Sep 13 14:27 |
| schestowitz | for biology | Sep 13 14:27 |
| schestowitz | biometrics versus medical scans | Sep 13 14:27 |
| schestowitz | one potentially evil | Sep 13 14:27 |
| schestowitz | the other saving lifes | Sep 13 14:27 |
| schestowitz | in the case of cars, collision prevention vs faceplate scanners | Sep 13 14:28 |
| schestowitz | so it's unwise to lump it all together | Sep 13 14:28 |
| schestowitz | some machine vision staff is used in factories | Sep 13 14:28 |
| schestowitz | not to spy on workers like in Amazon | Sep 13 14:28 |
| schestowitz | but to inspect the manufactured items, like foods... reject defects | Sep 13 14:28 |
| msb__ | OK, I guess you're off the hook. | Sep 13 14:29 |
| schestowitz | LOL "off the hook" | Sep 13 14:31 |
| schestowitz | Thank you, Mister brennan | Sep 13 14:31 |
| msb__ | Brennan? | Sep 13 14:32 |
| schestowitz | John | Sep 13 14:32 |
| schestowitz | The one unethical thing about those things is that they reduce the number of physical jobs | Sep 13 14:32 |
| schestowitz | Which can be spun as a negative thing by Luddites, or if the machines do a poor job at it | Sep 13 14:32 |
| schestowitz | sometimes they just complement a human and make detection of atrophies/defects more precise | Sep 13 14:33 |
| schestowitz | But it yields higher output, lowers prices, and make products more reliable (per cost or in general) | Sep 13 14:33 |
| msb__ | Technology in general is reducing the number of jobs, and capitalism can't deal with it. | Sep 13 14:34 |
| msb__ | What should be benefitting mankind is causing poverty and austerity. | Sep 13 14:34 |
| schestowitz | [19:29] <msb__> OK, I guess you're off the hook. | Sep 13 14:34 |
| schestowitz | It just implied, shallowly, that you attempted character assassination but failed | Sep 13 14:34 |
| msb__ | No, I asked, I did not assert. | Sep 13 14:35 |
| msb__ | I still don't know who John Brennan is. There are too many of them. | Sep 13 14:35 |
| schestowitz | So you complain a lot about the CIA | Sep 13 14:36 |
| schestowitz | But you don't know who has been heading it for years | Sep 13 14:36 |
| schestowitz | Despite him being in the headline every hour of the day, due to drones, torture, WoT, etc. | Sep 13 14:37 |
| schestowitz | There is also another Brennan in the white house (no relation) | Sep 13 14:37 |
| schestowitz | There's the Brennan Institute | Sep 13 14:37 |
| schestowitz | !google Brennan Institute hawk | Sep 13 14:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Brennan Center for Justice | http://www.brennancenter.org/ | Sep 13 14:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Employment | Brennan Center for Justice | https://www.brennancenter.org/employment | Sep 13 14:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - school-bio_stjs-the-hawk - Saint Joseph's University - Official ... | http://www.sjuhawks.com/ViewArticle.dbml%3FATCLID%3D208883426 | Sep 13 14:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - This Is Change? 20 Hawks, Clintonites and Neocons to Watch for in ... | http://www.alternet.org/story/107666/this_is_change_20_hawks,_clintonites_and_neocons_to_watch_for_in_obama%27s_white_house | Sep 13 14:37 |
| schestowitz | also no relation | Sep 13 14:37 |
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| msb__ | Do you think the CIA does good? Saying that I "complain" about it seems to imply that. | Sep 13 14:38 |
| msb__ | Wow! Roy said that the 700,000 refugees fled from Ukraine to Russia because they were in danger from Russian invaders of Ukraine. Does anyone see a logical contradiction there? | Sep 13 14:49 |
| msb__ | Would one flee _into_ the country that was the source of danger one was fleeing from? | Sep 13 14:50 |
| msb__ | But, our Fearless Leader is gone now. Have the two weeks begun? Are you now in charge, MinceR? | Sep 13 14:52 |
| msb__ | Our fear that communism might someday take over most of the world blinds us to the fact that anti-communism already has. -- Michael Parenti | Sep 13 14:58 |
| msb__ | From the second edition of Killing Hope. | Sep 13 14:58 |
| msb__ | wowie! Killing Hope can be downloaded from here: https://pdf.yt/d/y_8iHigC3Ms5TngF Download link is on the right. | Sep 13 15:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pdf.yt | View BLUM killing hope.pdf - PDFy - Instant PDF Host | Sep 13 15:12 | |
| msb__ | But the one in the naughty place has a live table of contents. | Sep 13 15:14 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.14.52 LTS Is a Small Release | Sep 14 02:20 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz then discuss, instead of belittling. | Sep 14 03:44 | |
| schestowitz | I wrote a lot about systemd in online forums | Sep 14 03:44 |
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| cubexyz | msb__, have you seen the video that casts doubt that a plane hit the pentagon? | Sep 14 05:11 |
| cubexyz | says there's no plane parts visible | Sep 14 05:11 |
| cubexyz | strange stuff | Sep 14 05:11 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: There are various videos like that. They're part of a concerted disinfo effort. | Sep 14 05:13 |
| msb__ | http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/disinfo.html | Sep 14 05:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | The No-WTC-Planes/Video-Fakery/Energy-Beams Disinformation Gang [ http://ur1.ca/gnxmb ] | Sep 14 05:14 | |
| cubexyz | ok someone sent me a URL of the media saying there were no plane parts found | Sep 14 05:15 |
| cubexyz | then I saw this: | Sep 14 05:15 |
| cubexyz | https://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/2010/09/23/how-we-know-an-airliner-did-not-hit-the-pentagon/ | Sep 14 05:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthandshadows.wordpress.com | How we KNOW an airliner did NOT hit the Pentagon | Truth and Shadows [ http://ur1.ca/ns29v ] | Sep 14 05:15 | |
| msb__ | It shows every sign of being government-based, to make the 911 research seem ridiculous. | Sep 14 05:15 |
| msb__ | Oh, sorry, I was thinking of the WTC. The Pentagon is a different story, because there are no good videos showing the plane hitting. | Sep 14 05:17 |
| cubexyz | does this look like a plane hit the pentagon: | Sep 14 05:18 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/pentagon-9-11.jpg | Sep 14 05:19 |
| cubexyz | shouldn't there be more debris? | Sep 14 05:19 |
| msb__ | Probably. But that's after the fire, it's hard to tell. | Sep 14 05:21 |
| msb__ | The pentagon was certainly hit by something, but it may have been a missile. | Sep 14 05:21 |
| msb__ | The round exit hole in the inner wall of the outer ring looks like it was made by a ring of det-cord. | Sep 14 05:22 |
| msb__ | Airliner seats are very tough, and someone who went into the pentagon very soon after the event found no seats. | Sep 14 05:23 |
| cubexyz | that's just weird | Sep 14 05:23 |
| msb__ | There was a 757 flying toward the Pentagon, but it could have flown over and landed at a nearby airport, or out and crashed into the sea. | Sep 14 05:24 |
| cubexyz | there should be pictures of lots of airplane chunks all over the place | Sep 14 05:24 |
| msb__ | I've always agreed with that, but recently a researcher contacted me with an article that he says proved a plane hit it. I'll see if I can find it. | Sep 14 05:26 |
| cubexyz | 2001, I think digital cameras were common enough | Sep 14 05:26 |
| msb__ | Yes, but unless someone thought to use them... | Sep 14 05:26 |
| msb__ | There were only one or two videos of the first WTC tower getting hit, and they were taken by accident. | Sep 14 05:27 |
| cubexyz | it seems impossible there would be no pictures at all of plane debris | Sep 14 05:27 |
| msb__ | There were about 40 of the second tower being hit. | Sep 14 05:27 |
| msb__ | The lack of debris is a big problem. | Sep 14 05:28 |
| msb__ | Also, I think I have a picture of vertical columns that were blown outward. I'll see if I can find it. | Sep 14 05:29 |
| msb__ | http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/pentagon/images/no_engine_hit_between__16and17.jpg | Sep 14 05:33 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/9-11-cnn.mkv | Sep 14 05:34 |
| msb__ | Underneath the label "breached limestone" there are what look like two vertical columns hanging from their tops, and blown outward. | Sep 14 05:35 |
| cubexyz | what is the significance of that? | Sep 14 05:36 |
| msb__ | Of what, your video or my picture? | Sep 14 05:38 |
| msb__ | hello? | Sep 14 05:39 |
| cubexyz | the two vertical columns | Sep 14 05:39 |
| cubexyz | the jpeg | Sep 14 05:39 |
| msb__ | I think it shows that there was an explosion inside the building. | Sep 14 05:40 |
| msb__ | And regarding the lack of debris, while airliners have a thin aluminum-allow skin that may disintegrate into small bits, they also have very strong alloy or steel structural members that should survive a crash and be visible. | Sep 14 05:41 |
| msb__ | allow->alloy | Sep 14 05:41 |
| msb__ | IIRC these are at least an inch thick. | Sep 14 05:42 |
| msb__ | Both the wings and the fuselage have them. | Sep 14 05:42 |
| msb__ | OK, here's the website the other researcher told me about. I haven't looked at the articles yet. | Sep 14 05:45 |
| msb__ | As to witnesses, some say they saw the 757 hit and they saw its windows. I think at 500mph that if they were close enough to see the small windows, the angular velocity of the image would have been too great to see the small windows. And if they were far enough away that the angular velocity across their field of vision was not that great, the windows would have been too far away to see. | Sep 14 06:02 |
| msb__ | There's a photo on page 6 of this article showing columns bent to the left by something travelling from right to left. | Sep 14 06:06 |
| msb__ | A theory that would account for those columns and the bent-outward ones in my picture would be a missile with an explosive warhead that detonated maybe 20 feet inside the building. | Sep 14 06:08 |
| msb__ | I read the first and last articles on that page, and their arguments for a 757 seem mostly inferential and involving room for doubt. | Sep 14 06:10 |
| msb__ | So basically my position is screw the Pentagon, the evidence of explosive demolition of WTC1,2 and 7 is irrefutable, and proves that the US govt did it, because nobody else had sufficient access to those buildings. | Sep 14 06:12 |
| msb__ | still there? | Sep 14 06:12 |
| cubexyz | yes, just had to take out the recycling | Sep 14 06:13 |
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| msb__ | http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2006/flight77-1.mpg That video, supposedly from a pentagon surveillance camera, shows a white cylindrical object approaching the building at the right edge of the screen around 87 seconds in. I thought to compare its height with the height of the building, but it's hard to tell how far it is from the camera. | Sep 14 06:32 |
| msb__ | OK, play that video with mplayer from 87.1 seconds, when the thing appears to 88.0 seconds, when a very bright white fireball appears. With contrast and brightness turned down, the fireball appears at a place on the building where it is about .75inch high. | Sep 14 07:00 |
| msb__ | The object is 0.1inch high. The P is 77ft high, and a 757about 12 ft high. So the object height is approximately equal to the height of a 757, 1/7th the height of the building. | Sep 14 07:02 |
| msb__ | still there? | Sep 14 07:02 |
| MinceR | https://twitter.com/50NerdsofGrey/status/640985632941064192 | Sep 14 07:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@50NerdsofGrey: 'I've been a very bad girl,' she said, biting her lip. 'I need to be punished.' 'Very well,' he said and installed Windows 10 on her laptop. | Sep 14 07:05 | |
| cubexyz | you know what windows error message I really hated? | Sep 14 07:09 |
| cubexyz | IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL | Sep 14 07:09 |
| XRevan86 | cubexyz: Every single one? | Sep 14 07:10 |
| cubexyz | ha | Sep 14 07:10 |
| cubexyz | I don't run personally but I still have to deal with customers that do | Sep 14 07:10 |
| msb__ | I thought it would be "Windows installed successfully" | Sep 14 07:10 |
| cubexyz | I'm a true Unix man :) | Sep 14 07:11 |
| cubexyz | but you know, customers... | Sep 14 07:11 |
| cubexyz | windows is still the same old crap | Sep 14 07:12 |
| cubexyz | BSODs and all that | Sep 14 07:12 |
| cubexyz | Xenix didn't BSOD | Sep 14 07:14 |
| cubexyz | you would think more people would welcome Linux/BSD for that reason | Sep 14 07:15 |
| cubexyz | at least some of my customers use chromebooks now | Sep 14 07:15 |
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| msb__ | cubexyz: Hello? | Sep 14 12:05 |
| MinceR | http://shevegen.square7.ch/screenshot.png | Sep 14 12:05 |
| MinceR | oops | Sep 14 12:05 |
| MinceR | http://existentialcomics.com/comic/98 | Sep 14 12:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-existentialcomics.com | Harry Potter and the set of all sets that do not contain themselves - Existential Comics | Sep 14 12:05 | |
| MinceR | this is the one i meant to paste | Sep 14 12:05 |
| msb__ | Oh help! My mind is trying to figure out the Russell Paradox and it's using all my compute power! | Sep 14 12:12 |
| msb__ | gngngngngn | Sep 14 12:12 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 14 12:13 |
| msb__ | Fortunately I have a beard and don't have to shave myself! | Sep 14 12:13 |
| msb__ | There's another weird thing in set theory -- the Axiom of Choice: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiom_of_choice | Sep 14 12:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Axiom of choice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/ns5ue ] | Sep 14 12:19 | |
| msb__ | ...which is equivalent to various other assertions, but can't be proven. | Sep 14 12:20 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 14 12:20 |
| msb__ | It can make you emulate that John Cleese character in Monty Python by tying a handkerchief around your head and saying, "My brain hurts!" | Sep 14 12:21 |
| MinceR | it'll have to come out! | Sep 14 12:22 |
| MinceR | all the bits of it. | Sep 14 12:22 |
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| msb__ | In other news, cubexyz, you asked about what hit the Pentagon, and I researched a bunch of stuff and actually committed photogrammetry for you (which is considered a mortal sin in some countries) on a video, which, with a very uncertain assumption seems to indicate that what hit was of a diameter that matched a 757, but there was a high-explosive detonation at the moment it hit (the hydrocarbon fire came a moment later), which is | Sep 14 12:26 |
| msb__ | certainly not characteristic of 757s. | Sep 14 12:26 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Wow, I don't remember that episode. But here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M68GeL8PafE | Sep 14 12:36 |
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| msb__ | Youtube is so slow for me these days that I have to download any video to watch it. Otherwise the video freezes while the audio continues. | Sep 14 12:37 |
| MinceR | i usually download anyway, but last time i watched something online it was fine | Sep 14 13:00 |
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| cubexyz | I'm starting to think a keyboard with a trackball built-in may be the best way to use a computer | Sep 14 22:40 |
| cubexyz | least travel moving your arm | Sep 14 22:41 |
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| msb__ | cubexyz: The trackball can be located adjacent to the keyboard (with only enough space to avoid pushing the left button). I looked at several and found this one the best. It's easy to clean -- just lift the ball out and wipe the dust off the three contact points with a kleenex. Cheap too, $30, and lasts for many years. | Sep 14 22:58 |
| cubexyz | which one is that? | Sep 14 23:00 |
| msb__ | It's photoelectric, so nothing can break, except maybe the cable where it enters the thing, and that you could mend. Oops, sorry https://secure.logitech.com/en-us/product/trackman-marble | Sep 14 23:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-secure.logitech.com | Logitech - Trackman Marble Trackball [ http://ur1.ca/nqosz ] | Sep 14 23:01 | |
| cubexyz | I was thinking the trackball could be put just under the space bar so you could use your thumb to easily move the pointer | Sep 14 23:01 |
| msb__ | But you need to push the buttons, too, although I guess you could assign key combinations for those. | Sep 14 23:02 |
| cubexyz | keytronic has one like that | Sep 14 23:03 |
| msb__ | photo please | Sep 14 23:04 |
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| msb__ | I think the large ball of the trackman gives easier positioning than a small ball. and button pushing is often done in conjunction with pointer movement. | Sep 14 23:06 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/keytronic-trackball-keyboard.jpg | Sep 14 23:07 |
| msb__ | I don't think that has quite enough keys in the adjacent keypad, so you might have to move your hand to the far-right one. But maybe not. | Sep 14 23:09 |
| msb__ | I use my thumb and first two fingers on the ball. Get much better control than with thumb alone, | Sep 14 23:10 |
| cubexyz | plus if you put that keyboard in your lap the trackball would be sticking into your belly | Sep 14 23:10 |
| msb__ | Logitech also makes at least one asymmetric trackball. Didn't like it, | Sep 14 23:11 |
| cubexyz | how about a mouse with cursor keys? | Sep 14 23:11 |
| msb__ | Mice require too much desk space. | Sep 14 23:13 |
| cubexyz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/mouse-with-lots-of-buttons.png | Sep 14 23:14 |
| msb__ | Also, I enjoy fondling a giant one-eyed alien slug. | Sep 14 23:14 |
| msb__ | Silly, I say. Why not just put wheels on your keyboard? | Sep 14 23:15 |
| cubexyz | I think alt-left, alt-right would cover that anyway | Sep 14 23:19 |
| msb__ | You can also put a pattern of 16x16 squares on the screen, flashing in, I think, Gray code, and pick up the EEG signal from the back of your skull. | Sep 14 23:19 |
| msb__ | It can tell which square you're looking at. | Sep 14 23:19 |
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| msb__ | For a two-button gizmo, you put a few lines in the X config to synthesize the middle button by pushing both at the same time. Works very well. | Sep 14 23:23 |
| msb__ | Logitech is a great company -- very nice people. | Sep 14 23:25 |
| msb__ | OT: A friend discovered frozen dark sweet cherries in the supermarket. Wonderful, and only 4 or 5 USD per pound. I eat them frozen. | Sep 14 23:26 |
| XFaCE | cubexyz: https://torrentfreak.com/intellectual-property-why-words-matter-in-the-copyright-debate-150913/ | Sep 14 23:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-torrentfreak.com | Intellectual Property? Why Words Matter In The Copyright Debate - TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/nsbxn ] | Sep 14 23:27 | |
| cubexyz | stallman doesn't like the term 'intellectual property' | Sep 14 23:31 |
| cubexyz | I'm not thrilled with it either | Sep 14 23:31 |
| XFaCE | cubexyz: that's the point of the article :P | Sep 14 23:32 |
| msb__ | WOW! Falkvinge is the anti-Bernays! That is a great article! | Sep 14 23:32 |
| cubexyz | well I expect a guy writing on torrentreak.com to be like that :) | Sep 14 23:32 |
| cubexyz | torrentfreak.com | Sep 14 23:33 |
| cubexyz | but my problem with copyright was the overreach | Sep 14 23:33 |
| cubexyz | 90 years or whatever it is now | Sep 14 23:33 |
| cubexyz | it's just way too long | Sep 14 23:33 |
| cubexyz | disney copies the Brothers Grimm, but no one can copy Disney | Sep 14 23:34 |
| cubexyz | it's stupid | Sep 14 23:34 |
| cubexyz | of course it's protectism | Sep 14 23:35 |
| cubexyz | "what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine" | Sep 14 23:35 |
| cubexyz | Microsoft is like that too | Sep 14 23:35 |
| msb__ | Also, poor people need entertainment as much as rich ones, but they can't afford it. | Sep 14 23:36 |
| cubexyz | just go back to the copyright act of 1790 | Sep 14 23:38 |
| msb__ | David Korten makes the same point about framing, but applies it to the structure of our entire society, in the great one-hour video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPiZJ5N9TkY | Sep 14 23:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | David Korten - The Great Turning - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/grbde ] | Sep 14 23:38 | |
| cubexyz | problem fixed | Sep 14 23:38 |
| cubexyz | a term of 14 years, then it's in the public domain | Sep 14 23:39 |
| cubexyz | poor people can download tons of stuff for free | Sep 14 23:39 |
| msb__ | Illegally | Sep 14 23:39 |
| cubexyz | not if they went back to a term of 14 years | Sep 14 23:40 |
| cubexyz | that's what I'm saying | Sep 14 23:40 |
| cubexyz | seems reasonable | Sep 14 23:40 |
| cubexyz | it was originally 14 years, and renewable _once_ by the living authors for another 14 years | Sep 14 23:41 |
| cubexyz | of course Dickens was ripped off (so to speak) | Sep 14 23:42 |
| cubexyz | there was no international copyright until 1891 | Sep 14 23:42 |
| cubexyz | CTEA was passed and now there's ridiculously long copyright terms | Sep 14 23:46 |
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| DaemonFC | http://wishtv.com/2015/09/11/social-media-post-leads-to-2-arrests-drug-bust-seizure-of-guns/ | Sep 15 00:42 |
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| cubexyz | I don't understand Ken Starks going on about windows 10 | Sep 15 01:16 |
| cubexyz | FOSS people need to talk about FOSS not windows 10 | Sep 15 01:17 |
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| cubexyz | chromebooks are a good way to get people off windows | Sep 15 01:18 |
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| MinceR | https://i.imgur.com/uouetAb.jpg | Sep 15 10:50 |
| cubexyz | booo | Sep 15 10:51 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 15 10:51 |
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| DaemonFC | I got a letter inviting me to intern with Indiana House Republicans. | Sep 15 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | I sent them back a picture of a minion and the word "BOSS!" | Sep 15 12:14 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 15 12:15 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm going to try to put a rush on getting my driver's license updated after I move to Fort Wayne so that I can register to vote there. | Sep 15 13:28 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going canvassing for Mayor Henry on Saturday. | Sep 15 13:28 |
| DaemonFC | I'd like to see the Democrats get the city council back. I've been discussing a few ideas with some of the candidates for the council, such as passing an ordinance restoring city employee collective bargaining, and a local common construction wage law since the state repealed the state one, and a Unigov project for Fort Wayne/Allen County to combine and reduce inefficiency, like Indianapolis did. | Sep 15 13:30 |
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| XFaCE | [01:16:06]<cubexyz> I don't understand Ken Starks going on about windows 10 | Sep 15 19:06 |
| XFaCE | who is ken starks and why do we care? | Sep 15 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | Who is John Galt? | Sep 15 19:08 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 15 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/09/15/tides-new-commercial-hilariously-mocks-kim-davis-and-anti-gay-bigots-everywhere-video/ | Sep 15 19:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.addictinginfo.org | Addicting Info – Tide’s New Commercial Hilariously Mocks Kim Davis And Anti-Gay Bigots Everywhere (VIDEO) [ http://ur1.ca/nsml8 ] | Sep 15 19:24 | |
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| msb__ | Here it is. Not actually from P&G "the spot is actually spec work from Tiny Giant director Mark Nickelsburg" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn4WhWo11pg | Sep 15 20:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Tide To Go | Gay Marriage Ad - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nsmwy ] | Sep 15 20:00 | |
| msb__ | Again had to download it to see the whole thing. | Sep 15 20:02 |
| msb__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSSNQv_nPTE Actual Canadian gay Tide Commercial | Sep 15 20:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Gay Tide commercial - Canadian commercial 2014/15 - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nsmz3 ] | Sep 15 20:06 | |
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| msb__ | Wonderful documentary about how Obama and Western media lied about Gaddafi and then murdered him and destr-yed his country, because he was trying to move oil payments away from US dollars and to gold. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COdKmHkPoOo | Sep 15 20:54 |
| msb__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COdKmHkPoOo | Sep 15 20:54 |
| msb__ | bot? Again, download using youtube-dl in order to see it. | Sep 15 20:55 |
| msb__ | Includes videos of enormous pro-Gaddafi demonstrations. | Sep 15 20:56 |
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| DaemonFC | msb__, I'm going to go to the Q&A session for a candidate for Fort Wayne city council. | Sep 15 21:57 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: What are you going to Q them about? | Sep 15 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | I plan to ask what her feelings are about restoring the Common Construction Wage for Fort Wayne since the state law was repealed, and if she plans to give city workers the ability to collectively bargain, which was taken away last year by the Republicans. | Sep 15 21:58 |
| msb__ | Sounds good! | Sep 15 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | If the Democrats can get the two Republican At-Large seats, they will control the city council 5-4. | Sep 15 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | I they can get one, it'll be 5 Republicans and 4 Democrats, but they'll be able to stop the Republicans from overriding Mayor Henry's vetoes at least. | Sep 15 21:59 |
| msb__ | Great if the Dems actually stand up for the interests of labor and people in general. | Sep 15 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | I'm also going to ask if something can be done to let Fort Wayne annex all of the surrounding county so that the rich and upper middle class have to pay city taxes, and if not, then if she would support billing them for the city services (police, fire and rescue, etc.) that they use but currently aren't paying for. | Sep 15 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | Or taking them away and letting them figure out something to do themselves. I doubt they're going to want to go without police and fire and rescue. :P | Sep 15 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | msb__, I keep calling out there and getting Republicans. | Sep 15 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | I don't want to argue, so I just tell them to have a nice day and then I hang up. :P | Sep 15 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | msb__, It really pissed me off that there are city councilmen making almost $100,000 a year off of taxpayers who voted to stop the guy who's out there filling potholes from making more than $30,000 a year. | Sep 15 22:06 |
| msb__ | I can't figure out the motivation for being a Repug, unless it's the right to own a gun, which I support. If they think they're going to reduce their taxes, and idiotically don't want to stop all the US-initiated wars, I guess they want to inflict austerity on the American people, which is going to make the US a scary place to live, even for them. | Sep 15 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | It already is heading that way. | Sep 15 22:07 |
| msb__ | Yep. Inflation and increasing food prices. | Sep 15 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. You get paid in deflated dollars that buy less every year. | Sep 15 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | It allows the rich to have all of the buying power. | Sep 15 22:08 |
| msb__ | Bernie Sanders is leading Libya-killer Hillary Clinton by double digits in the first two Dem primary states. | Sep 15 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, but he's really going to have to overperform. | Sep 15 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | The establishment has a lot of superdelegates. | Sep 15 22:09 |
| msb__ | Clinton super-PAC is linking Sanders with Communists. | Sep 15 22:10 |
| cubexyz | bring out the bogeyman | Sep 15 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | Well, the superdelegates can vote for anyone. | Sep 15 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | Doesn't matter how the primary election goes. | Sep 15 22:10 |
| msb__ | RT is the best place to see good American journalists. They don't get on American TV. | Sep 15 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | So only like 80% of the delegates have to vote the way the primary went. Something like that. | Sep 15 22:11 |
| msb__ | Yikes! Another layer between the people and govt power. | Sep 15 22:11 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: How are the superdelegates chosen? | Sep 15 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | msb__, Most are party officials. | Sep 15 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | Like sitting Senators and Representatives in Congress. | Sep 15 22:28 |
| msb__ | Which mostly got elected by money. | Sep 15 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. | Sep 15 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | It's important to get them on your side if you want to be nominated. | Sep 15 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | The Republicans have a more extreme version of that. | Sep 15 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | More states where the party decides and there is no primary. | Sep 15 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | They can also change the votes of delegates. | Sep 15 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | They changes all of Ron Paul's delegates to votes for Mitt Romney. | Sep 15 22:33 |
| msb__ | Bernie Sanders is talking about wealth inequality being a fundamental moral issue, even to evangelicals at Liberty University. | Sep 15 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | It makes sense. Even some of them are persuadable. | Sep 15 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | Some are only there because its what their parents would pay for. | Sep 15 22:35 |
| msb__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TvfBxIkupA Wonderful song! Jesus as a Socialist. | Sep 15 22:38 |
| cubexyz | socialism is a good thing | Sep 15 22:39 |
| cubexyz | not sure why the American politicians think it's a dirty word | Sep 15 22:39 |
| msb__ | Simple. American politicians are chosen by big money. Big money comes from corporate profits, which mostly go to rich owners; much less to working people. If socialism is set up correctly, businesses are controlled by their workers, who get the profits. Under socialism the wealthy owners would lose their exploitive income. That's why the US attacked Russia right after the revolution, and then wealthy Americans provided 75% of | Sep 15 22:43 |
| msb__ | Hitler's financing. | Sep 15 22:43 |
| msb__ | Then the US spent the entire post-WW2 years of the 20th century attacking socialist nations and leaders. It's all money-driven. | Sep 15 22:44 |
| msb__ | http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_Nazis http://cosmicpenguin.com/#American_Holocaust | Sep 15 22:46 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: see above. In this century the US has destr-yed half a dozen nations and murdered millions of people for oil and war profits. | Sep 15 22:49 |
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| cubexyz | oiaohm, have you ever used x2x? | Sep 16 01:38 |
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| msb__ | cubexyz: What do you think about my thesis regarding the US govt and socialism? | Sep 16 02:18 |
| cubexyz | oil will eventually run out | Sep 16 02:32 |
| cubexyz | and when the older generations die off people will become more accepting of socialism, even in the United States | Sep 16 02:33 |
| cubexyz | the old ways of thinking that rich people are completely self-made will fade | Sep 16 02:33 |
| cubexyz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_socialist_movement_in_the_United_States | Sep 16 02:39 |
| msb__ | cubexyz: Do you think I'm correct regarding the reason for the opposition of American politicians to socialism? | Sep 16 02:39 |
| cubexyz | yes, with regards to the control of media | Sep 16 02:41 |
| cubexyz | greedy parasites on society will eventually die off though | Sep 16 02:42 |
| cubexyz | Sanders is a democratic socialist, so we'll see how it goes | Sep 16 02:43 |
| msb__ | Greedy parasites lay eggs and have offspring. | Sep 16 02:44 |
| cubexyz | a parasite that kills it's host will also die | Sep 16 02:44 |
| msb__ | These parasites keep the US sufficiently alive that they can still feed off it, and the citizens are not sufficiently starved to revolt. | Sep 16 02:46 |
| msb__ | If we had honest elections, Sanders might become President, but as things are, I doubt that he'll even win the Dem primary. | Sep 16 02:49 |
| msb__ | It's also possible that oil is being regenerated deep in the earth and will not run out. But that won't stop global warming from killing us. If the methane-hydrate in the arctic seas decomposes, the methane will act as a powerful greenhouse gas, causing a regenerative increase in temperature. | Sep 16 02:52 |
| cubexyz | I kind of doubt oil is being regenerated as fast as the world is using it up | Sep 16 02:57 |
| cubexyz | I'm hoping and predicting the people of the world will become less wasteful and more 'green' | Sep 16 02:58 |
| msb__ | Solar cell tech is getting cheaper, and there are also some exotic techs like blacklightpower.com | Sep 16 03:01 |
| cubexyz | I'm definitely more frugal now than I was when I was younger | Sep 16 03:01 |
| cubexyz | and my repair skills have gotten a lot better which saves money | Sep 16 03:02 |
| cubexyz | and I'm seeing lots of DIY repair sites on the web | Sep 16 03:02 |
| cubexyz | so things _should_ be better in general in the future | Sep 16 03:03 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: x2x I hope you don't mean this one https://github.com/dottedmag/x2x | Sep 16 03:09 |
| oiaohm | http://www.x2go.org this one what is open source NX I can justify. | Sep 16 03:09 |
| oiaohm | the old x2x is a insecure bit of crap. | Sep 16 03:10 |
| cubexyz | well I don't think I want to link to qt4 just to do what x2x does | Sep 16 03:11 |
| cubexyz | how is x2x insecure? | Sep 16 03:12 |
| cubexyz | just enable x11 forwarding on a couple of internal ip addresses and off you go | Sep 16 03:13 |
| cubexyz | e.g.: | Sep 16 03:13 |
| cubexyz | ssh -XC user@server x2x -west -to :0.0 | Sep 16 03:14 |
| cubexyz | it's encapsulated inside a SSH tunnel | Sep 16 03:14 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: x2x allows remote to take control of local. | Sep 16 03:21 |
| cubexyz | but that's the idea isn't it? | Sep 16 03:21 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: it lacks some very key filtering on what X11 command should be allowed. | Sep 16 03:21 |
| oiaohm | Remote take control of local in both directions. | Sep 16 03:22 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: when you are remote controlling a server. You don't want the server you are remote controlling controling your computer do you. | Sep 16 03:23 |
| cubexyz | that's right | Sep 16 03:24 |
| cubexyz | but it doesn't do that | Sep 16 03:24 |
| oiaohm | x2x due to its bugs the remote server could control your computer. | Sep 16 03:24 |
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| cubexyz | not unless I run x2x again on the other computer as well | Sep 16 03:24 |
| cubexyz | I'm only running x2x on one computer | Sep 16 03:24 |
| oiaohm | x2x over network is not good. | Sep 16 03:25 |
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| oiaohm | x2go allows one directional control. | Sep 16 03:25 |
| oiaohm | x2x is no better than ssh -X direct sharing from a secuirty point of view. | Sep 16 03:26 |
| oiaohm | Note I don't like ssh -X either. | Sep 16 03:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Deluge Torrent 1.3.12 Released, How To | Sep 16 03:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Install/Update In Ubuntu/Linux Mint Or Other | Sep 16 03:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Derivatives http://t.co/YMUlRaZB44 | Sep 16 03:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 16 03:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nsqpn | Sep 16 03:27 |
| cubexyz | oiaohm, I'm still using access control | Sep 16 03:28 |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: basically X11 protocol never got the idea of seperation. | Sep 16 03:28 |
| cubexyz | only a couple of internal ip addresses are allowed access | Sep 16 03:28 |
| oiaohm | x2x output is nested. | Sep 16 03:28 |
| oiaohm | So it does not have access to the full house. | Sep 16 03:29 |
| oiaohm | This is why I don't use it. | Sep 16 03:29 |
| oiaohm | When I can use x2go and I don't have to jump threw about 4 hoops to make it secure I do. | Sep 16 03:29 |
| oiaohm | Also x2x lost it core developer a while back. | Sep 16 03:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Qualcomm unveils Linux-based UAV reference | Sep 16 03:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | platform http://t.co/xt9Hj5dYVX | Sep 16 03:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (linuxgizmos.com) | Sep 16 03:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nsqsf | Sep 16 03:34 |
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| cubexyz | x2x is supposed to support clipboard sharing also | Sep 16 03:41 |
| cubexyz | in quasijarus there's no ssh even | Sep 16 03:56 |
| cubexyz | but I never got X11 forwarding to work on that | Sep 16 03:56 |
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| oiaohm | cubexyz: https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds this is a interesting project. | Sep 16 04:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Looking forward to openSuSE Leap | Sep 16 05:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/f07zmIjqEy (www.zdnet.com) | Sep 16 05:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nsrmd | Sep 16 05:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Samsung to bring Tizen to Europe with Germany, | Sep 16 05:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | France, UK, Russia and Poland on the hit list? | Sep 16 05:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Z42zwzzOVd (www.tizenexperts.com) | Sep 16 05:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nsrmf | Sep 16 05:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Qualcomm unveils Linux-based UAV reference | Sep 16 05:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | platform http://t.co/jTmIP00wJn | Sep 16 05:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 16 05:20 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nsrmh | Sep 16 05:20 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Looking forward to openSuSE Leap | Sep 16 06:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/b2PFKSGcS6 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 16 06:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nsscp | Sep 16 06:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Italian military to switch to LibreOffice and | Sep 16 06:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ODF http://t.co/m7neYAfCiD | Sep 16 06:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 16 06:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nsscq | Sep 16 06:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Samsung to bring Tizen to Europe with Germany, | Sep 16 06:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | France, UK, Russia and Poland on the hit list? | Sep 16 06:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/suZg0oTEb1 (www.tuxmachines.org) | Sep 16 06:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nsscs | Sep 16 06:46 |
| msb__ | Wonderful! Linux-based drone controller circuit - cheap! http://linuxgizmos.com/qualcomm-unveils-linux-based-uav-reference-platform/ Combined with facial-recognition software, this can be programmed to find and kill enemies of the state automatically, without further human intervention. | Sep 16 06:46 |
| msb__ | It's equipped with WiFi, GPS, etc., so multiple units could form a network in the sky! What will we call that? | Sep 16 06:49 |
| MinceR | killbots | Sep 16 07:27 |
| MinceR | i need a lot of those | Sep 16 07:27 |
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| msb__ | I know exactly whose picture you're gonna feed them. Geez, we have to improve your attitude before you start WW3! | Sep 16 07:39 |
| MinceR | i doubt i can beat putin to that | Sep 16 07:41 |
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| msb__ | This is very interesting. http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-15-04-robotics-edition-brings-microsoft-kinect-support-to-odroid-491887.shtml | Sep 16 14:49 |
| msb__ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenNI | Sep 16 14:49 |
| msb__ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinect | Sep 16 14:50 |
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| msb__ | https://www.asus.com/3D-Sensor/Xtion_PRO/ | Sep 16 14:52 |
| msb__ | https://www.google.com/search?as_q=xtion+asus&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=&as_occt=any&safe=images&as_filetype=&as_rights= | Sep 16 14:53 |
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| msb__ | ASUS Xtion is similar to MS Kinect, but something weird is going on with it. | Sep 16 15:15 |
| msb__ | $170 at Newegg, but out of stock. $425 at Amazon. Sold at ASUS eStore, but the phone # for that is NG. | Sep 16 15:16 |
| msb__ | I'm on the phone to ASUS right now, but it's gone silent for quite a while. | Sep 16 15:17 |
| msb__ | Certainly don't want to buy a microshit one. | Sep 16 15:17 |
| MinceR | http://img.pr0gramm.com/2015/09/16/848b82b49bf45f6a.png | Sep 16 15:28 |
| MinceR | i'll stick with good old keyboard+mouse | Sep 16 15:29 |
| MinceR | though i guess i could use some pedals | Sep 16 15:29 |
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| msb__ | I want a USB6 direct brain connection. | Sep 16 15:32 |
| MinceR | beware the black ice | Sep 16 15:32 |
| msb__ | For sure! | Sep 16 15:32 |
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| msb__ | ASUS seems to have a low-rez and a high-rez one. The high-rez -- 1280x1024 -- they recommend to buy from Amazon, which has only two sellers -- one in France and the other in Germany, | Sep 16 16:10 |
| msb__ | I'm getting the idea that ASUS is not really serious about this product. I've been on the phone with them for over an hour, and the guy has not found where the high-rez one is shown on their website. | Sep 16 16:12 |
| msb__ | It would be nice if you could have a hologram projector make an image, and then be able to grab at it with your hands using this sensor. | Sep 16 16:14 |
| msb__ | That would be like the computer in the movie The First $20 Million Is Always the Hardest (2002) -- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0280674/combined -- Highly recommended! | Sep 16 16:17 |
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| msb__ | After 90minutes ASUS hung up on me. | Sep 16 16:28 |
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| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Sep 16 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | It does not appear that New Jersey's SAIP insurance is a form of "welfare", if the people would have been better off by breaking the law and going uninsured. | Sep 16 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | If it has no liability coverage, then what's the point? Especially if you rear end some rich ***hole that slams his brakes and then sues you because his $90,000 car is trashed. | Sep 16 17:07 |
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| msb__ | http://www.globalresearch.ca/anti-russian-propaganda-corporate-media-are-accomplices-of-imperial-politics/5476453 Anti-Russian Propaganda. Corporate Media are Accomplices of Imperial Politics | Sep 16 21:24 |
| msb__ | BOT??? | Sep 16 21:24 |
| MinceR | good thing russia isn't imperialist... oh wait | Sep 16 21:24 |
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| DaemonFC | http://wishtv.com/2015/09/16/no-charges-against-muslim-teen-after-clock-mistaken-for-bomb/ | Sep 16 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | I commented. | Sep 16 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | It's Texas... Derp is everywhere there. | Sep 16 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | Several years ago, the state government of Texas raided a charity that I donated money to, which took old computers and refurbished them to run Linux and then gave them to schoolkids. | Sep 16 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | Their reasoning was that they needed a license from the state to do that. | Sep 16 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder how the fertilizer plant that blew up and destroyed West, Texas managed to go without a significant inspection for nearly thirty years. | Sep 16 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | Too busy investigating a charity that recycles computers? | Sep 16 21:26 |
| MinceR | http://ur1.ca/nsxyn | Sep 16 21:26 |
| *MinceR sighs | Sep 16 21:26 | |
| MinceR | "MUSLIMS NEED TO LEAVE THE MIDDLE AGES AND JOIN THE 21ST CENTURY OK kid: look I'm so into science I made a clock! BOMB BOMB HE'S GOT A BOMB" | Sep 16 21:27 |
| MinceR | it seems that the authorities are too busy grabbing cash and bothering citizens to actually go after crime | Sep 16 21:29 |
| MinceR | another sign of the failure of "the social contract" | Sep 16 21:29 |
| msb__ | In this century, Russia has been about 1/1000th as imperialist as the US, which is attacking it. | Sep 16 21:29 |
| msb__ | That's right. After the huge robbery by banksters in 2008 impoverished US city and state governments, they started robbing their citizens with undeserved traffic tickets and other petty violations. | Sep 16 21:31 |
| MinceR | which territories has the usa annexed in this century? | Sep 16 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/white-kid-builds-nuclear-reactor-and-homeland-security-offers-help/ | Sep 16 21:36 |
| cubexyz | MinceR, there haven't been any: | Sep 16 21:39 |
| cubexyz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_territorial_acquisitions | Sep 16 21:39 |
| MinceR | exactly | Sep 16 21:39 |
| cubexyz | in 1846 Mexico had to give up half it's land to the US | Sep 16 21:44 |
| cubexyz | Alta California, New Mexico and parts of Texas | Sep 16 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | <msb__> That's right. After the huge robbery by banksters in 2008 impoverished US city and state governments, they started robbing their citizens with undeserved traffic tickets and other petty violations. | Sep 16 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | I was talking about that the other day. | Sep 16 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | I got a seatbelt violation and paid it with jars full of pennies. | Sep 16 21:46 |
| cubexyz | in fact there was even talk of annexing all of Mexico at one point | Sep 16 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | Then I got a parking ticket. | Sep 16 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | So I got a parking permit and then obscured the date. | Sep 16 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | Kept parking in the lot next to the police for about a year. | Sep 16 21:47 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Are you claiming that taking total control of a country -- after murdering many of its inhabitants and destr0ying its infrastructure, leaving the survivors to live in poverty -- is less evil than annexing a nation and treating its citizens as well as it does its own? | Sep 16 21:47 |
| msb__ | MinceR: The US has done that to FIVE NATIONS since 2001. | Sep 16 21:50 |
| MinceR | there are plenty of falsehoods in that paragraph | Sep 16 21:50 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Please point them out. | Sep 16 21:50 |
| MinceR | and i still can't see how supporting putin's adventures is supposed to help anyone except putin and his cronies. | Sep 16 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | Saddam Hussein said that he wanted to decapitate George H.W. Bush and toss his head on the ground. | Sep 16 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | I read that and said "I would like that too.". | Sep 16 21:51 |
| MinceR | and yet saddam was "Our Bastard" for a while, wasn't he? | Sep 16 21:51 |
| msb__ | The US got rid of a socialist and put Saddam in. | Sep 16 21:52 |
| MinceR | msb__: also, i've asked you before -- how's Chechnya's secession referendum going? | Sep 16 21:52 |
| msb__ | I have no idea. Give me a reference. | Sep 16 21:52 |
| MinceR | there's none, afaict | Sep 16 21:53 |
| MinceR | but i guess territories wanting to secede from the state that controls them is only interesting as long as it happens to the benefit of russia | Sep 16 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Puerto Rico is being treated terribly by the United States. | Sep 16 21:54 |
| MinceR | they should probably be made into a state | Sep 16 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | If they were a state, they would have some options to deal with their debt. | Sep 16 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | Which is why that won't be allowed. | Sep 16 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | Also, the Republicans control Congress and the last thing they want are two new Senators and a new Representative that are Democrats. | Sep 16 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | Half of the Republicans have gone so far off the deep end that they're two parties now. | Sep 16 21:57 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 16 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | One half can get some things passed in the House if they rely on the Democrats. | Sep 16 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | They can't keep their own members under control. | Sep 16 21:57 |
| MinceR | maybe the republican party dying will finally shake up usian politics enough to move on from the two-party system | Sep 16 21:58 |
| cubexyz | Crimea was once a republic within the USSR | Sep 16 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, All of the news networks are running Donald Trump all day long for free. | Sep 16 22:00 |
| cubexyz | in 1954 it was transferred to the Ukranian Soviet Socialist Republic | Sep 16 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | No wonder his campaign is doing well. He doesn't have to pay for advertising. | Sep 16 22:00 |
| MinceR | and he may yet bring down the republican party :> | Sep 16 22:00 |
| cubexyz | in 1991 it became independent: the Autonomous Republic of Crimea | Sep 16 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, 70% of Hispanic voters polled hate his guts. | Sep 16 22:01 |
| cubexyz | in March 2014 Crimea is absorbed into the Russian Federation | Sep 16 22:01 |
| msb__ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechnya -- informative, but may be biased | Sep 16 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | It's hard to imagine a situation where he loses badly everywhere but with white people and wins anyway. | Sep 16 22:01 |
| cubexyz | except that's not recognized by Ukraine or most of the international community | Sep 16 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | Obama did really badly in 2012 among white people. Still won. | Sep 16 22:01 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: and yet republican voters seem to love him and afaik he implicitly (or explicitly?) threatened with the GOP with running independently if they don't nominate him | Sep 16 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | If he had gotten the same percentage of the white vote with the demographics of 1996 or even 2000, he would have lost. | Sep 16 22:02 |
| msb__ | Maybe this is why Russia is holding on to the area: "Insurgency in the North Caucasus continued even after this date. The Caucasus Emirate has fully adopted the tenets of being a Salafist-takfiri jihadist group" | Sep 16 22:02 |
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| msb__ | Salafism is the vicious jihadist doctrin of ISIL. | Sep 16 22:03 |
| MinceR | maybe this is why russia is holding on to the area: russia is imperialist | Sep 16 22:03 |
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| MinceR | and they consider the entire eastern bloc to belong to them | Sep 16 22:03 |
| MinceR | especially ukraine | Sep 16 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, This isn't the 80s. | Sep 16 22:03 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: tell putin that. | Sep 16 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | The Republicans can no longer piss off everyone that isn't white and assume the white vote will carry them forward. | Sep 16 22:03 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Your ideas of what people want or think are NOT the same as actual ACTIONS. | Sep 16 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | We're still the majority, but it's declining with every election. | Sep 16 22:04 |
| MinceR | and since they can't afford to maintain a military that could beat the usa, they pour their resources into a propaganda campaign | Sep 16 22:04 |
| MinceR | and some people without critical thinking skills eat it all up | Sep 16 22:04 |
| msb__ | If the Russians say something that is _true_, then it's a lie to call it "propaganda". | Sep 16 22:05 |
| MinceR | oh, almost forgot the "cyber"attack | Sep 16 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The Russians don't have to win a war with us. | Sep 16 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | All they have to do is keep poaching territory that we won't fight them over. | Sep 16 22:05 |
| MinceR | if one works by the axiom of "russia is right in everything", whatever russia says follows to be the Truth and whatever contradicts it follows to be a Lie | Sep 16 22:05 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: yeah, and i wonder if the NATO would fight over poland or hungary | Sep 16 22:06 |
| cubexyz | surely they would? | Sep 16 22:06 |
| msb__ | The only territory that Russia "poached" VOTED to join Russia -- Crimea. | Sep 16 22:06 |
| MinceR | and while crimean tatars are oppressed, people who have no real stake in this celebrate at their expense. | Sep 16 22:06 |
| MinceR | "voted" in something that was not a referendum and was not credible | Sep 16 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Theoretically, NATO Article 5 would guarantee that. | Sep 16 22:07 |
| MinceR | theoretically. | Sep 16 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | What will happen is a good question. | Sep 16 22:07 |
| MinceR | nothing good, most likely. | Sep 16 22:07 |
| cubexyz | you're suggesting Russia would invade Poland? | Sep 16 22:07 |
| MinceR | russia is suggesting that | Sep 16 22:07 |
| msb__ | MinceR: "if one works by the axiom of "russia is right in everything"" You are AGAIN claiming that I think something that there is no evidence that I do. | Sep 16 22:07 |
| msb__ | I have criticized Putin plenty. | Sep 16 22:08 |
| MinceR | and yet you'd hand over the eastern bloc to him happily, if it was up to you | Sep 16 22:08 |
| MinceR | thankfully, it is not | Sep 16 22:08 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Stop talking about what you imagine is my state of mind, and talk only about FACTS. | Sep 16 22:09 |
| msb__ | MinceR: "you'd hand over the eastern bloc to him happily, if it was up to you". YOU DID IT AGAIN. YOU ARE LYING. | Sep 16 22:09 |
| MinceR | the fact is russia is imperialistic and putin is gambling with everyone's lives | Sep 16 22:09 |
| msb__ | So vague as to be meaningless. Twice. | Sep 16 22:10 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Your only justification for "russia is imperialistic" is that it has refused to release Salafist Chechnya (after its many terrorist attacks) and has annexed Crimea at its request. | Sep 16 22:12 |
| MinceR | no, not my only justification | Sep 16 22:13 |
| MinceR | you're lying, as usual | Sep 16 22:13 |
| MinceR | look up what they did to georgia | Sep 16 22:13 |
| MinceR | look up what they did to estonia. | Sep 16 22:13 |
| MinceR | look up what they threatened european states with. | Sep 16 22:13 |
| msb__ | When did they do those things? | Sep 16 22:13 |
| MinceR | 2008, 2014, 2014~2015 | Sep 16 22:14 |
| msb__ | MinceR: And what is the meaning of "putin is gambling with everyone's lives" ? Opposing US attacks on Russia, like the Nazification of Ukraine? | Sep 16 22:14 |
| MinceR | and stop pretending that just because the ideology you love so much wrecked the economy of the russian empire so much they had to pull out of the eastern bloc they've changed and become saintly. | Sep 16 22:14 |
| MinceR | they keep proving that nothing has changed, except the state religion was changed from marxism to christianity. | Sep 16 22:15 |
| MinceR | msb__: no, the meaning of that is not the bullshit the russian imperial media comes up with to justify their crimes against humanity. | Sep 16 22:15 |
| MinceR | it means literally what it says. | Sep 16 22:15 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Yeltsin utterly destroyed the Russian economy. See Chapter 11 of The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism by Naomi Klein. | Sep 16 22:16 |
| msb__ | Not socialism. | Sep 16 22:16 |
| MinceR | putin is threatening everyone with nukes and is looking for excuses to use them, to either force the world into nuclear war or to take over ever greater parts of the planet | Sep 16 22:16 |
| MinceR | yeltsin wasn't even president until 1991 | Sep 16 22:16 |
| msb__ | Read the book | Sep 16 22:17 |
| MinceR | read some history | Sep 16 22:17 |
| msb__ | You refuse to access evidence. | Sep 16 22:17 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_occupation_of_Hungary | Sep 16 22:18 |
| MinceR | "In the wake of the Revolutions of 1989, the Soviet troops - the Southern Group of Forces - started leaving Hungary. By July 1990, some 15,000 Soviet soldiers and their dependents had left, taking about 60,000 of the 560,000 tons of equipment they had stored there.[" | Sep 16 22:18 |
| MinceR | Yeltsin was president starting 10 July 1991 | Sep 16 22:18 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeltsin | Sep 16 22:18 |
| msb__ | You are still living in the 1950's | Sep 16 22:18 |
| MinceR | so unless you show me the time machine Yelstin used to retroactively destroy the russian economy, i'm calling bullshit on you yet again. | Sep 16 22:19 |
| msb__ | You are changing subjects in order to avoid the facts. | Sep 16 22:19 |
| MinceR | no, your idols are living in the 1950s | Sep 16 22:19 |
| MinceR | and just because you worship this nazi madman, his nukes won't spare you in the usa. | Sep 16 22:19 |
| msb__ | You are again lying about what is in my mind. | Sep 16 22:19 |
| MinceR | and the nuclear winter that will bring about also won't spare you. | Sep 16 22:19 |
| msb__ | MinceR: "putin is threatening everyone with nukes" Give a reference. | Sep 16 22:20 |
| MinceR | and the eastern bloc coming under russian occupation yet again is going to do nothing to improve the quality of your life. | Sep 16 22:20 |
| MinceR | i already have, and you ignored it. | Sep 16 22:20 |
| MinceR | just like you ignore all the facts. | Sep 16 22:20 |
| msb__ | Give it again. Not the CIA. | Sep 16 22:20 |
| MinceR | i'm not going to bother with citations since you won't read any of them anyway | Sep 16 22:20 |
| MinceR | oh, of course | Sep 16 22:20 |
| MinceR | if it's not from RT or pravda or whatever, it must be the CIA | Sep 16 22:20 |
| msb__ | I don't remember any such reference. I think you are lying. | Sep 16 22:21 |
| MinceR | i don't have time for this bullshit | Sep 16 22:21 |
| MinceR | good night | Sep 16 22:21 |
| MinceR | you don't remember it because you skipped it. | Sep 16 22:21 |
| msb__ | Great excuse. | Sep 16 22:21 |
| msb__ | Give it again if it exists. Maybe I was disconnected at the time. | Sep 16 22:21 |
| MinceR | http://www.vox.com/2015/6/29/8845913/russia-war | Sep 16 22:21 |
| MinceR | some more: | Sep 16 22:21 |
| MinceR | http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420510/russias-nuclear-strategy-coercion-and-intimidation | Sep 16 22:21 |
| MinceR | http://www.aim.org/aim-column/putin-threatens-america-with-nuclear-annihilation/ | Sep 16 22:22 |
| MinceR | http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2015/06/25/pentagon-official-russian-nuke-talk-playing-with-fire | Sep 16 22:22 |
| MinceR | http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/16/us-russia-nuclear-putin-idUSKBN0OW17X20150616 | Sep 16 22:22 |
| MinceR | and now, in less time than it would take to read even one paragraph, you'll tell me how all this is lies from the CIA, as usual | Sep 16 22:22 |
| MinceR | showing that it was a total waste of my time to respond. | Sep 16 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | http://huff.to/1F373Qo | Sep 16 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | Just now · | Sep 16 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | Broadly speaking, people didn't generally get raises last year. | Sep 16 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | In the last 50 years, the "market" hasn't improved the situation for the bottom 10% at all, but food stamps, Medicaid, and a few other programs have. The minimum wage is far too low, and this lets major companies like Walmart and McDonalds turn Medicaid into the benefits package instead of taking care of their own employees. | Sep 16 22:24 |
| msb__ | "Accuracy in Media" is an American ultra-rightwing propaganda organization. | Sep 16 22:25 |
| msb__ | So is "National Review" | Sep 16 22:26 |
| msb__ | The vox article you cited says "Putin, warning repeatedly that he would use nuclear weapons in a conflict, began forward-deploying nuclear-capable missiles and bombers." | Sep 16 22:27 |
| msb__ | But that is in response to US actions, which have ringed Russia with nuclear missiles. And US politicians have threatened to use them. | Sep 16 22:28 |
| msb__ | MinceR: The US has aggressed against Russia in Ukraine and Syria (a Russian ally). Russia has not aggressed against the US at all. | Sep 16 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | Just now · | Sep 16 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | The police interrogated him demanding that they tell them that the clock wasn't a clock, when the clock was clearly a clock. | Sep 16 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not sure how he would have complied with their request to broaden his explanation. It's a clock. What kind of a clock? Well, you see officer, it's a clockey kind of clock. | Sep 16 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/16/1421822/-Definitive-proof-that-9th-grader-Ahmed-Mohamed-is-smarter-than-the-police-officers-who-arrested-him?detail=facebook | Sep 16 22:31 |
| msb__ | MinceR: The entire current conflict between the US and Russia was started by the US installing a Nazi regime in Ukraine. | Sep 16 22:31 |
| msb__ | MinceR: The US did that in order to start a conflict with Russia. What other reason would it have. | Sep 16 22:32 |
| msb__ | ? | Sep 16 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, There have actually been some changes to US territory this century. | Sep 16 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | Just some minor land swaps with Mexico. | Sep 16 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | http://gizmodo.com/zune-will-go-dark-on-november-15th-wait-zune-still-ex-1731035604 | Sep 16 23:01 |
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| MinceR | and so msb__'s Universal Excuse shows up again | Sep 17 07:23 |
| MinceR | whatever bad happens anywhere in the world, it's caused by psychopathy caused by the usa, somehow | Sep 17 07:23 |
| MinceR | 164738 8/<g:/ </msb__g8/>g eMinceR: Psychopathy in a whole culture does seem to result, sometimes at least from trauma. Stalinist, North Korea, and Israel are illustrations of this. | Sep 17 07:23 |
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| msb__ | MinceR: In your latest personal attack against me, I'm having difficulty finding where I wrote what you seem to be quoting from me: "Psychopathy in a whole culture does seem to result, sometimes at least from trauma. Stalinist, North Korea, and Israel are illustrations of this." | Sep 17 08:58 |
| MinceR | you don't even remember what you write here | Sep 17 08:59 |
| MinceR | and yet you insist on being quoted | Sep 17 08:59 |
| MinceR | it's pointless to try to argue with you about this, as you apparently have a zealous religious belief in the russian empire and putler | Sep 17 08:59 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Would you please provide the date and time (with time zone) that you are quoting from. | Sep 17 08:59 |
| MinceR | 2014-04-27.log:164738 | Sep 17 08:59 |
| MinceR | CET or CEST | Sep 17 08:59 |
| msb__ | Good lord! You are picking a fight with me about something I wrote over a year ago? | Sep 17 09:00 |
| msb__ | You are really obsessive! | Sep 17 09:01 |
| MinceR | no, you blaming all evil in the world on "trauma" caused by the USA seems to be a consistent theme | Sep 17 09:01 |
| MinceR | it's the excuse for everything north korea and russia do, among other things | Sep 17 09:02 |
| msb__ | MinceR: You don't see that going back to what I wrote 17 months ago indicates and obsessive desire to attack me? | Sep 17 09:07 |
| msb__ | and -> an | Sep 17 09:08 |
| MinceR | if i don't quote you, you say i lie. if i quote you, you say i'm obsessive. | Sep 17 09:08 |
| MinceR | again, it's pointless to argue with you | Sep 17 09:08 |
| MinceR | it's ironic how for all that lip service to critical thinking, you show zero critical thinking | Sep 17 09:08 |
| msb__ | You must be spending quite a lot of time going over your old logs of what I've written! | Sep 17 09:09 |
| MinceR | actually grep doesn't take that long to search the logs | Sep 17 09:11 |
| MinceR | but even so, you've already proven that effort to be wasted | Sep 17 09:11 |
| msb__ | MinceR: In any case, I recently explained to you in a private conversation that the mental/cultural disease of mass psychopathy, called by Wilhelm Reich The Emotional Plague, and by Riane Eisler The Dominator Paradigm, is passed down from generation to generation by traumatic child-rearing and anti-human cultural influences like JCI religion. | Sep 17 09:13 |
| msb__ | MinceR: JCI religion probably accounts for the willingness of American psychopaths to do the worldwide evil they've been doing ever since their genocide of the Native Americans during the formation of the US. | Sep 17 09:15 |
| MinceR | that in no way excuses the acts of the fascist regimes you openly support | Sep 17 09:15 |
| MinceR | also, why do i have to remind you that the russian government is allied with a christian cult? | Sep 17 09:16 |
| msb__ | I don't support any fascist regimes at all. The fact that fascism is a result of trauma doesn't excuse it. It's a cause-and-effect connection, not a moral justification. Can you understand the difference? | Sep 17 09:17 |
| MinceR | you support russia, north korea and others | Sep 17 09:18 |
| MinceR | of course it doesn't excuse it but you pretend it does | Sep 17 09:19 |
| MinceR | you use this excuse to push all responsibility for everything bad that happens to the usians | Sep 17 09:19 |
| msb__ | MinceR: I count 8 lying personal attacks in your recent text here. That doesn't do anything to convince any audience that may be reading your text that you're right. It just makes you look like an obsessive nutcase. | Sep 17 09:20 |
| MinceR | anyone with a working brain must have already deduced that you're an obsessive fascist nutcase | Sep 17 09:20 |
| msb__ | Am I talking with a primitive AI program here that simply repeats back to me what I've said? | Sep 17 09:21 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Stop lying about me. I do _not_ "support russia, north korea". I have criticized Russia's attacks on the Eastern Bloc half a century ago. I have criticized Putin's attack on Pussy Riot, and his recent attempt to censor Net information about cannabis. | Sep 17 09:23 |
| MinceR | yeah, while supporting russia and north korea you also keep fraudulently claiming that you do not | Sep 17 09:24 |
| MinceR | you repeat every single lie from RT here | Sep 17 09:24 |
| msb__ | How have I supported North Korea? | Sep 17 09:24 |
| MinceR | you claim that every source of evidence that's unpleasant to russia is the CIA | Sep 17 09:24 |
| msb__ | How have I supported North Korea? | Sep 17 09:24 |
| MinceR | you excuse their acts with your absurd claims of trauma caused by the usa | Sep 17 09:24 |
| MinceR | and you have the same ideology as them | Sep 17 09:25 |
| MinceR | you support oppressing other states and people by russians | Sep 17 09:25 |
| MinceR | you support putler's fascist posturing | Sep 17 09:25 |
| MinceR | you support putler's nuclear threats to the world | Sep 17 09:25 |
| msb__ | No, I don't excuse their acts. I _explain_ their acts by the fact that the US murdered 30% of the North Korean population in the Korean War. Imagine having burning jellied gasoline -- napalm -- dropped on yourself and your family. | Sep 17 09:26 |
| MinceR | maybe i'll experience that | Sep 17 09:27 |
| MinceR | courtesy of your idol, putin | Sep 17 09:27 |
| msb__ | MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME! Putin is not my idol. I've said that his opposition to the US destruction of five nations recently is a good thing. Currently he is trying to aid Syria in getting rid of ISIL, but the US government wants ISIL there to get rid of Assad for reasons of profit. | Sep 17 09:29 |
| MinceR | your acts say more than your words | Sep 17 09:29 |
| msb__ | What acts? | Sep 17 09:30 |
| MinceR | your support for everything putler does, for one thing | Sep 17 09:30 |
| MinceR | oh well, good thing russia is allowed to destroy "nations", right? | Sep 17 09:30 |
| msb__ | MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME! I do not support everything putin does. Quoting myself 7 minutes ago "I have criticized Putin's attack on Pussy Riot, and his recent attempt to censor Net information about cannabis." | Sep 17 09:32 |
| MinceR | yet you want him to rule over as many people as possible | Sep 17 09:33 |
| msb__ | MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME! I have never said that "russia is allowed to destroy "nations"". | Sep 17 09:33 |
| MinceR | including crimean tatars, estonians, poles, hungarians... | Sep 17 09:33 |
| msb__ | MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME! I have never said that I want Putin to rule over "crimean tatars, estonians, poles, hungarians". | Sep 17 09:34 |
| MinceR | not with those words | Sep 17 09:34 |
| MinceR | you use different words | Sep 17 09:34 |
| MinceR | i guess someone who's absolutely gullible and naive might even believe your deception | Sep 17 09:34 |
| msb__ | Putin was right in annexing Crimea, which overwhelmingly voted for it. If Crimean Tatars are unhappy about that, it's unfortunate. Are they discriminated against in Russia? | Sep 17 09:35 |
| msb__ | MinceR: What's going on here is that I carefully choose my words, and you attribute to me something entirely different than what I wrote, and then attack me for your false attribution. That's called the Straw Man lying propaganda technique. | Sep 17 09:37 |
| MinceR | of course they are | Sep 17 09:37 |
| MinceR | and i've already told you they are | Sep 17 09:37 |
| MinceR | which you ignored, as usual | Sep 17 09:37 |
| MinceR | lying about what you say is not "carefully choosing your words" | Sep 17 09:38 |
| MinceR | it's just lying about what you say. | Sep 17 09:38 |
| msb__ | What can be done about it, if the Tatars are living in a region in which most people want to be a part of Russia? | Sep 17 09:38 |
| MinceR | what's the "repeat every single piece of bullshit from RT" propaganda technique called? | Sep 17 09:38 |
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| MinceR | what's the "dismiss every bit of fact you don't like as CIA propaganda" propaganda technique called? | Sep 17 09:38 |
| MinceR | no, most people don't want it to be a part of russia | Sep 17 09:39 |
| MinceR | putin and his cronies want it to be a part of russia | Sep 17 09:39 |
| msb__ | RT broadcasts a lot of accurate information. If you disagree with something they've broadcast that I've mentioned, tell me what it is. | Sep 17 09:39 |
| msb__ | The Crimeans voted to be part of Russia. | Sep 17 09:39 |
| MinceR | the results of the yalta conference also didn't mean that most people wanted the eastern bloc to be a part of russia | Sep 17 09:40 |
| msb__ | And that's consistent with 700,000 Crimeans fleeing to Russia to escape the Ukrainian Nazi regime. | Sep 17 09:40 |
| MinceR | yes, at gunpoint, in circumstances that lack credibility, "voted" | Sep 17 09:40 |
| MinceR | but i suppose you'd also call what the russians and their bootlickers did here in hungary "democracy" | Sep 17 09:40 |
| MinceR | because people "voted" | Sep 17 09:40 |
| msb__ | The yalta conference has nothing to do with what we're talking about. What you're doing is called the Red Herring lying propaganda technique. | Sep 17 09:41 |
| MinceR | good thing the russians are allowed to maintain a nazi regime by emperor msb | Sep 17 09:41 |
| MinceR | what would the world come to if they weren't? | Sep 17 09:41 |
| MinceR | you obviously have no clue about history | Sep 17 09:41 |
| MinceR | you're a living demonstration of the dunning-kruger effect | Sep 17 09:42 |
| msb__ | MinceR: You constantly confuse the concepts of "Nazi" and "authoritarian". | Sep 17 09:42 |
| MinceR | you constantly pretend as if a few symbols changed the nature of a fascist regime | Sep 17 09:42 |
| MinceR | you pretend as if brutally oppressing people and treating them as slaves with no rights was a-ok as long as your flag had a five-pointed star and a hammer and a sickle | Sep 17 09:42 |
| MinceR | you pretend as if a hammer and a sickle on the flag was any sort of consolation to the victims | Sep 17 09:43 |
| MinceR | it's of course easy to argue this from an armchair in the usa | Sep 17 09:43 |
| MinceR | it's easy to put other people's lives on the line | Sep 17 09:44 |
| msb__ | Are people in Russia brutally oppressed and treated as slaves with no rights? xrevan86 and videos of Russia don't indicate that. | Sep 17 09:44 |
| MinceR | then you should have listened to him. | Sep 17 09:44 |
| MinceR | instead of ignoring everything that's uncomfortable to you, as you usually do | Sep 17 09:44 |
| msb__ | In your zeal to deliver rapid-fire personal attacks, you misread what I wrote about xrevan86. | Sep 17 09:45 |
| msb__ | You perceived the opposite of what I wrote. | Sep 17 09:46 |
| MinceR | you apparently also have reading comprehension issues | Sep 17 09:47 |
| MinceR | why fight putin's information war for him? what's in it for you? | Sep 17 09:48 |
| msb__ | I should have said above, 700,000 Ukrainians fleeing to Russia to escape the Ukrainian Nazi regime. They are not all from Crimea. | Sep 17 09:48 |
| MinceR | they're more likely to be escaping the hellish conditions the russians imposed on ukraine | Sep 17 09:49 |
| msb__ | I'm telling the truth. Which I find from many sources, not just RT. I've listed some of them here before. | Sep 17 09:49 |
| MinceR | no, you're telling putin's propaganda | Sep 17 09:49 |
| MinceR | and yes, many sources repeat the bullshit from RT uncritically | Sep 17 09:49 |
| MinceR | like your beloved global"research" | Sep 17 09:49 |
| MinceR | which supports every bit of woo and conspiracy theory out there | Sep 17 09:49 |
| msb__ | I suggest to anyone reading MinceR's rants that you look at http://globalresearch.ca/ yourself. It has articles by people from many different nations, | Sep 17 09:51 |
| MinceR | yes, they really should | Sep 17 09:51 |
| MinceR | http://www.globalresearch.ca/chemtrails-the-consequences-of-toxic-metals-and-chemical-aerosols-on-human-health/19047 | Sep 17 09:51 |
| MinceR | http://www.globalresearch.ca/chemtrails-a-planetary-catastrophe-created-by-geo-engineering/5355299 | Sep 17 09:51 |
| MinceR | http://www.globalresearch.ca/chemtrails-the-secret-war/5421137 | Sep 17 09:51 |
| MinceR | http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-fda-and-big-pharmas-latest-killer-agenda-destroy-homeopathic-medicine/5455093 | Sep 17 09:52 |
| MinceR | http://www.globalresearch.ca/vaccination-myths-and-truths/14618 | Sep 17 09:52 |
| MinceR | http://www.globalresearch.ca/drug-companies-donated-millions-to-california-lawmakers-prior-to-forced-vaccination-bill/5457393 | Sep 17 09:52 |
| MinceR | http://www.globalresearch.ca/mysterious-death-body-of-doctor-who-linked-vaccines-to-autism-found-floating-in-river/5458983 | Sep 17 09:52 |
| MinceR | wow, what a trustworthy source. | Sep 17 09:52 |
| MinceR | a good fit for putinist propaganda | Sep 17 09:52 |
| msb__ | I haven't read those articles, but from the titles they are accurate, except for the one about homeopathy, which I think doesn't work. | Sep 17 09:53 |
| MinceR | yet you promote this site as an arbiter of truth | Sep 17 09:53 |
| msb__ | As to geoengineering -- chemtrails and HAARP -- this site has a wealth of detailed information: http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/ | Sep 17 09:54 |
| MinceR | if you hate human rights so much, why not move to russia or north korea? | Sep 17 09:54 |
| MinceR | if you think other people don't deserve freedom, why insist on it for yourself? | Sep 17 09:54 |
| msb__ | To any readers: I'm not able to type fast enough to refute all of MinceR's personal attacks. So please don't think that I accept the ones that I don't answer. | Sep 17 09:56 |
| MinceR | of course, pasting bullshit from RT and global"research" is more pleasant to a putin-worshipper than trying to give answers | Sep 17 09:57 |
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| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Sep 17 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | Yes, the sheriff's department in Habersham County, Georgia (overwhelmingly conservative county) burned a baby's face off and blinded it for life by tossing a flashbang grenade in through the window, which landed in the infant's crib. | Sep 17 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | In the end, they arrested dad, for possession of about an ounce of marijuana. | Sep 17 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | I have a friend in Habersham County. Clarkesville, to be precise. Beautiful place, but I'd never want to live somewhere that conservative, where the Sheriff drives up in an MRAP and blows a baby's face off over a misdemeanor marijuana case. | Sep 17 11:15 |
| MinceR | wow | Sep 17 11:17 |
| MinceR | they really love their new toys, don't they? | Sep 17 11:17 |
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| DaemonFC | J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says: | Sep 17 11:31 |
| DaemonFC | No medical treatment will make up for the permanent disfigurement and blindness, and any money the family gets will just be taken from other taxpayers because the police don't have any money that belongs to them. | Sep 17 11:31 |
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| msb__ | Although I don't believe in homeopathy, I think that adults should be allowed to use whatever medical techniques they want. Maybe homeopathy works for some people. Rupert Sheldrake has demonstrated that conventional science simply ignores some facts, such as the variability of the speed of light. | Sep 17 11:55 |
| msb__ | But even if globalresearch.ca publishes an article that is incorrect in some ways, that doesn't mean that the rest of its articles are wrong. I do not "promote this site as an arbiter of truth" as MinceR lies. I promote it as an excellent source of information, far more accurate than the USGovt/Corporate mainstream media. | Sep 17 11:57 |
| MinceR | an excellent source of garbage and propaganda | Sep 17 11:58 |
| MinceR | but one's got to stoop so low to find scraps that support putin and his cronies | Sep 17 11:58 |
| msb__ | It certainly disagrees with MinceR's prejudices and obsessions. | Sep 17 11:59 |
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| msb__ | Other than the one on homeopathy, none of the articles that MinceR cited from globalresearch are in doubt. MinceR apparently believes that chemtrails don't exist, and that vaccines never cause harm, and that the recent murders of alternative medical doctors successfully using GcMAF and other techniques to treat cancer and autism should not be investigated. Does he also think that Vitamin C does not cure viral diseases, so antiviral | Sep 17 12:09 |
| msb__ | vaccines should be mandatory? If so, he's wrong. | Sep 17 12:09 |
| MinceR | maybe not in doubt by you | Sep 17 12:10 |
| MinceR | for all the lip service you pay to critical thinking, you accept every single crazy conspiracy theory at face value | Sep 17 12:10 |
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| MinceR | http://english.aawsat.com/2015/06/article55343817/opinion-russia-and-the-danger-of-conspiracy-theories | Sep 17 12:17 |
| msb__ | The matters I have mentioned are not crazy. I have investigated them critically. There is lots of evidence for them. MinceR gives no proof for his rejection of these ideas. | Sep 17 12:18 |
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| MinceR | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eliot-borenstein/why-conspiracy-theories_b_5626149.html | Sep 17 12:26 |
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| DaemonFC | msb__, They should be mandatory. | Sep 17 12:27 |
| msb__ | The aawsat article gives no information, only unproved assertions of Putin's beliefs. | Sep 17 12:27 |
| DaemonFC | if we had today's bumper crop of idiots back in the day, Polio would still be a thing and hospitals full of iron lungs would still be around. | Sep 17 12:27 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Many people have been harmed by vaccines, and the ones against viruses are not necessary at all, because vitamin C reliably cures viral infections. | Sep 17 12:28 |
| DaemonFC | No it doesn't. | Sep 17 12:28 |
| MinceR | an article you don't read has no way of giving you information | Sep 17 12:28 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: polio may yet come back | Sep 17 12:29 |
| DaemonFC | In fact, one cold remedy with vitamin C and zinc was found to damage the sense of smell, permanently. | Sep 17 12:29 |
| MinceR | msb__ and his comrades are fighting for its case | Sep 17 12:29 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, msb__ should go to that hospital museum I was in a few weeks ago. | Sep 17 12:29 |
| DaemonFC | They have a working iron lung there. | Sep 17 12:29 |
| MinceR | the age of reason has ended, welcome to the new dark ages | Sep 17 12:30 |
| DaemonFC | He can tell me if he'd like to be inside of it and unable to breathe on his own. | Sep 17 12:30 |
| MinceR | he's always exempted | Sep 17 12:30 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Interesting that you should mention polio. Vitamin C cured it but was ignored. Please read: http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/199x/landwehr-r-j_orthomol_med-1991-v6-n2-p99.htm | Sep 17 12:30 |
| MinceR | everyone should be killed by putin's nukes, but not him | Sep 17 12:30 |
| DaemonFC | There's a few people left in iron lungs from when Polio was common in the US. | Sep 17 12:30 |
| MinceR | everyone should be oppressed by putin and his pals from the KGB, but not him | Sep 17 12:30 |
| DaemonFC | But they're so old that most of them have died of old age. | Sep 17 12:30 |
| DaemonFC | It's like maybe a dozen in the entire country compared to a dozen in nearly every hospital in the 40s. | Sep 17 12:31 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather be immune than get something terrible and take vitamin C, which doesn't work. | Sep 17 12:32 |
| MinceR | sure, but msb__ wants you to die instead | Sep 17 12:32 |
| DaemonFC | There's all sorts of supposed AIDS cures in folk medicine as well. Most of the people who took them instead of medicine are dead now. | Sep 17 12:32 |
| DaemonFC | AIDS denial turned out to be a self-correcting problem to a large extent, when most of them ended up dying of AIDS. | Sep 17 12:33 |
| msb__ | Of thousands of alternative medical remedies, that one that involved swabbing the nose with zinc, and one preparation of tryptophan, were found to be harmful. Only those two. | Sep 17 12:33 |
| MinceR | homeopathy was found to be as effective as placebo | Sep 17 12:33 |
| MinceR | (which homeopathy is, of course) | Sep 17 12:33 |
| msb__ | A classic from MinceR: "but msb__ wants you to die". He is really a major sicko. | Sep 17 12:34 |
| MinceR | yeah, the guy who wants everyone to be tortured to death by putin is not a sicko | Sep 17 12:34 |
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| MinceR | the guy who wants to bring back all sorts of diseases is not a sicko | Sep 17 12:34 |
| MinceR | the guy who promotes every conspiracy theory all the time while mouthing off about critical thinking is not a hypocrite | Sep 17 12:35 |
| MinceR | the guy who wants everyone to be ruled by putin but not himself is not a hypocrite | Sep 17 12:35 |
| MinceR | right? | Sep 17 12:35 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: "I'd rather be immune than get something terrible and take vitamin C, which doesn't work" The problem is, many vaccines contain substances like mercury and aluminum which are neurotoxic, and cause terrible harm to some people. Also, Vitamin C does work. I hope you read the article about polio. | Sep 17 12:35 |
| DaemonFC | Well, modern medicine is responsible for the life expectancy enjoyed in the western world. | Sep 17 12:35 |
| DaemonFC | The average Russian is doing good to make it to 62. The life expectancy for someone born this year in the US is like 83. | Sep 17 12:36 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Have you now read it? | Sep 17 12:36 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, many Russians smoke and consume a lot of alcohol, which would indicate that their quality of life is low and they make up for it by drugging themselves. | Sep 17 12:37 |
| MinceR | if msb__ had any clue about chemistry, he would realize that the properties of compounds are not determined solely by the elements they're composed of | Sep 17 12:37 |
| DaemonFC | Vladimir Putin implemented price controls on vodka so they could keep getting themselves drunk while his policies are destroying their lives. | Sep 17 12:37 |
| msb__ | Mercury is always poisonous. | Sep 17 12:37 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Interesting that you should mention polio. Vitamin C cured it but was ignored. Please read: http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/199x/landwehr-r-j_orthomol_med-1991-v6-n2-p99.htm | Sep 17 12:38 |
| DaemonFC | The fact that the price controls on vodka were one of his first responses suggests that he knows his policies are not good for the average Russian. | Sep 17 12:38 |
| DaemonFC | Unpopular leaders try to fashion themselves into wartime leaders to shore up their popularity. | Sep 17 12:38 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Will you read the seanet article? | Sep 17 12:39 |
| DaemonFC | So he's been annexing territory by force and telling the people who live there that they can either take Russian citizenship or flee and leave their homes behind. | Sep 17 12:39 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Will you read the seanet article? | Sep 17 12:39 |
| DaemonFC | Then they have a vote on how many people want to be Russians, while Russian soldiers stand there with assault rifles watching them vote. | Sep 17 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I wonder how the election will go! :) | Sep 17 12:40 |
| msb__ | I guess not. | Sep 17 12:40 |
| msb__ | Neither of you has given any proof that the Crimean vote was done with gunmen watching the voters. | Sep 17 12:41 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: lol | Sep 17 12:42 |
| MinceR | just like in crimea | Sep 17 12:42 |
| MinceR | msb__: will you read the vox article? | Sep 17 12:43 |
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| msb__ | I already did, and responded to it. | Sep 17 12:44 |
| MinceR | what was your response to it? | Sep 17 12:44 |
| MinceR | wait, let me guess | Sep 17 12:44 |
| MinceR | "CIA propaganda" | Sep 17 12:44 |
| MinceR | did i get it right? | Sep 17 12:44 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The Crimea election was about as legitimate as the elections in Nazi Germany. | Sep 17 12:45 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I'm not so certain that we have a secret ballot in the US anymore. | Sep 17 12:46 |
| DaemonFC | They scan your driver's license or state ID and it pulls up a thing telling them whether or not you're allowed to vote. | Sep 17 12:46 |
| MinceR | if only hitler called himself stalin and used a hammer and a sickle instead of a swastika, msb__ would worship him too | Sep 17 12:46 |
| DaemonFC | Then they put a key in the voting machine and turn it, which brings up your ballot. | Sep 17 12:46 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, If I'm still in Huntington in 2019, I think I'll run for mayor. | Sep 17 12:49 |
| DaemonFC | No Democrats filed to run this year. | Sep 17 12:49 |
| DaemonFC | If I'm the only one that files, I'm guaranteed to be the nominee. :P | Sep 17 12:50 |
| DaemonFC | I think it could be fun to have the local newspapers asking me questions. | Sep 17 12:50 |
| DaemonFC | "Why are your running?" | Sep 17 12:50 |
| DaemonFC | Well, because the Republicans were the only candidate and I thought I'd give the people one more choice than they have in Communist China. | Sep 17 12:51 |
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| msb__ | MinceR has said today that I worship Hitler, Stalin and Putin, and that I want to enslave, nuke, and kill everyone in the world. He keeps making these statements even though I deny them, and even though he can't provide any proof for them. They are only his total misinterpretations of things I've written. But he keeps on lying about me. Will he ever stop? | Sep 17 13:08 |
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| MinceR | will msb__ ever stop lying about his agenda and about putin? | Sep 17 13:58 |
| MinceR | i guess once msb__'s homeboy manages to nuke humankind out of existence, msb__ will stop | Sep 17 13:58 |
| msb__ | And yet it's MinceR who has said that most people are worthless and that he would like to hurt and kill a lot of them. | Sep 17 14:20 |
| MinceR | there's no need to | Sep 17 14:20 |
| MinceR | they'll exterminate themselves | Sep 17 14:20 |
| MinceR | in exactly the way msb__ wishes it to happen | Sep 17 14:20 |
| msb__ | On the other hand, I have presented information from David Korten, Riane Eisler and others about the origins of humanity's problems and how they can be fixed, so that people will stop harming one another. MinceR won't watch the Korten video. | Sep 17 14:22 |
| MinceR | also, msb__ is lying and putting words in my mouth | Sep 17 14:23 |
| MinceR | as one would expect from a putin propagandist russo-wanker | Sep 17 14:23 |
| msb__ | What words have I put in your mouth? | Sep 17 14:23 |
| MinceR | that i would like to hurt and kill a lot of people | Sep 17 14:25 |
| MinceR | and that i won't watch the korten video | Sep 17 14:25 |
| msb__ | When are you going to watch it? | Sep 17 14:25 |
| msb__ | You said you needed a lot of killbots. | Sep 17 14:25 |
| MinceR | when i have time to watch them | Sep 17 14:26 |
| MinceR | it would take a large army to guarantee my freedom and safety | Sep 17 14:26 |
| MinceR | especially against your idols. | Sep 17 14:26 |
| msb__ | Do you think people are out to get you? | Sep 17 14:27 |
| msb__ | You're afraid to reveal your name, age, or e-mail address. | Sep 17 14:28 |
| MinceR | i know people are out to get me | Sep 17 14:28 |
| MinceR | a minority of those people even admit this publicly | Sep 17 14:29 |
| msb__ | Who are those people? | Sep 17 14:29 |
| MinceR | mostly fascists | Sep 17 14:30 |
| MinceR | putin is one of them | Sep 17 14:30 |
| MinceR | there are plenty of religious fundamentalists who would kill me as well | Sep 17 14:30 |
| MinceR | then again, putin is also a religious fundamentalist | Sep 17 14:31 |
| msb__ | They know you personally? | Sep 17 14:31 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirill_I_of_Moscow#Relations_with_the_State | Sep 17 14:31 |
| MinceR | no | Sep 17 14:31 |
| MinceR | they don't need to for them to wish me to suffer and die | Sep 17 14:31 |
| MinceR | for many of them it's enough that i don't share their worship of their invisible friends | Sep 17 14:31 |
| MinceR | or that i don't want to be enslaved by them | Sep 17 14:31 |
| MinceR | or both | Sep 17 14:31 |
| msb__ | With the way you feel about people, it's likely that you're suffering already. | Sep 17 14:32 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 17 14:34 |
| MinceR | but for people like you, that can hardly be enough | Sep 17 14:34 |
| MinceR | and there still are a few human rights left to destroy | Sep 17 14:34 |
| msb__ | I don't want you to be unhappy. I've been trying to give you information showing that humans are not inherently worthless as you say they are. But you won't access the information. | Sep 17 14:37 |
| MinceR | do you think that finding myself again under russian fascist oppression would make me happy? | Sep 17 14:37 |
| msb__ | obviously not | Sep 17 14:38 |
| MinceR | do you think that living and starving in nuclear winter would make me happy? | Sep 17 14:39 |
| msb__ | But viewing and understanding the Korten video, and reading The Chalice and the Blade might make you happy. | Sep 17 14:39 |
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| MinceR | will that bring back the Age of Reason? | Sep 17 14:42 |
| MinceR | will that bring back the Long Peace? | Sep 17 14:42 |
| msb__ | If enough people learn about those things then it will. | Sep 17 14:44 |
| MinceR | when will putin and his cadre learn about those things? | Sep 17 14:45 |
| msb__ | What is the Long Peace? | Sep 17 14:46 |
| MinceR | the period between ww2 and the second cold war | Sep 17 14:46 |
| MinceR | see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Better_Angels_of_Our_Nature | Sep 17 14:46 |
| msb__ | When enough people learn about those ideas, they will become current and Putin will learn about them. | Sep 17 14:47 |
| MinceR | will that make him give up his ambitions for omnicide? | Sep 17 14:47 |
| MinceR | and what about the other fundies? | Sep 17 14:47 |
| msb__ | We'll just have to spread those ideas and see. They are the only thing that can save us. | Sep 17 14:49 |
| MinceR | maybe the biosphere of the earth will survive the extinction of humans and gets intelligent life right next time | Sep 17 14:50 |
| msb__ | I would add to Pinker's values the ability to examine one's own mind and to learn where we have acquired our beliefs from. | Sep 17 14:51 |
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| msb__ | Psychopathy is a very simple and obvious individual-survival trait. So it may evolve inevitably. Thus what we need are defenses against it. The most important is self-observation and self-guiding. | Sep 17 14:53 |
| MinceR | it's also a simple and obvious collective extinction trait, especially if the psychopath has nukes and doesn't care about his own survival | Sep 17 14:57 |
| MinceR | http://www.pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/tc1-1.jpg | Sep 17 15:00 |
| msb__ | I think they do care about their own survival and their family's. Otherwise we'd be blown up already. So if people can learn about human nature, we should be able to eliminate the nukes. | Sep 17 15:07 |
| MinceR | fundies of abrahamic religions don't | Sep 17 15:07 |
| MinceR | because they believe that this life doesn't matter and they get rewarded in the afterlife if they die | Sep 17 15:07 |
| MinceR | and they believe that their enemies will go to hell and be punished if they die | Sep 17 15:08 |
| MinceR | i wonder if this is putin's reason | Sep 17 15:08 |
| MinceR | or he's simply too psychotic to understand where he's going | Sep 17 15:08 |
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| MinceR | perhaps he believes his own fascistic posturing and has no doubt everyone will just capitulate | Sep 17 15:11 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines What Linux Means 24 Years Later | Sep 18 04:09 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Age Of Wonders III Now Has Mods, Linux Support | Sep 18 04:09 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Smart rifle company TrackingPoint restructures | Sep 18 04:22 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME 3.18.0 newstable tarballs due (and more) | Sep 18 04:22 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines First id Software Game Comes to Steam for Linux | Sep 18 04:35 |
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| msb__ | Excellent RT program "Crosstalk" on "Ukraine's hard choices". One journalist showed a picture of a billboard put up by the Ukraine Security Service in a city next to Crimea, which says "separatism, russophilia, federalism -- we will cure you of it" and shows a man in prison, with his hands clutching the bars. http://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/315813-kiev-regime-minsk-agreement/ Downloadable with VideoDownloadHelper | Sep 18 05:12 |
| msb__ | The participants describe various ways that the Kiev govt is emulating the principles of Stefan Bandera, the Ukrainian who worked with the German Nazis during WW2. | Sep 18 05:14 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Continually updated home security appliance | Sep 18 05:14 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat Looks Poised to Rise After Monday's | Sep 18 05:14 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open source is way forward: Red Hat | Sep 18 05:14 |
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| msb__ | But not simplicity, modularity, transparency. | Sep 18 05:15 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tizen reference device to be given to Tizen | Sep 18 05:48 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Announcing Rust 1.3 http://t.co/5BGsJkPWUT | Sep 18 05:48 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open source is way forward: Red Hat | Sep 18 06:08 |
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| XRevan86 | Damn, Windows 10 doesn't violate Russian Federation law about information security because EULA. | Sep 18 09:53 |
| XRevan86 | Source: http://rapsinews.ru/incident_news/20150918/274582334.html | Sep 18 09:54 |
| XRevan86 | That doesn't really make much sense. | Sep 18 09:55 |
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| msb__ | MS must have lots of lawyers, probably more lawyers than programmers. | Sep 18 11:06 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 18 11:33 |
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| msb__ | Regarding the idea that RT is "Putin propaganda", one of the journalists on this program said that Putin is responsible for the 8,000 people of The Donbass (another east Ukraine region that wants to join Russia) that the Nazi Ukrainian govt murdered, because Putin said three times that he would be responsible for the safety of the people in the Donbass, and that led them to peacefully request separation, whereupon the Nazis began | Sep 18 12:41 |
| msb__ | shelling them. http://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/315813-kiev-regime-minsk-agreement/ | Sep 18 12:41 |
| msb__ | The Nazi Ukraine government has also banned the leaders of The Donbass -- with whom they're supposed to be negotiating, according to the Minsk agreement -- from entering the country, along with about 600 others, including hundreds of journalists from BBC, AFP, etc., on the grounds of "national security" (IOW they wrote stories unfavorable to the Nazi regime). | Sep 18 12:48 |
| msb__ | I should have added that the journalist on the RT show said that after the Kiev Nazis began attacking the Donbass, Putin did nothing to stop them | Sep 18 12:55 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Litvinenko_poisoning | Sep 18 13:38 |
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| MinceR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55izx6rbCqg | Sep 18 13:40 |
| msb__ | Looks like the killer(s) of Litvinenko have not been identified. "in one way or another the Russian state is involved" is totally vague. | Sep 18 13:59 |
| msb__ | As to the RT person who resigned, apparently she was the one who said that "Russian intervention in Crimea is wrong". Well she was incorrect -- the Russian intervention to annex Crimea after its citizens had overwhelmingly voted for it, to escape the Nazi regime that the US had installed in Ukraine, was absolutely right, and it should have annexed The Donbass as well. So she was lying, and RT is much better off without her. I | Sep 18 14:03 |
| msb__ | wonder if the CIA got her in there just to embarass RT at some point. | Sep 18 14:04 |
| msb__ | Regarding her claim that "RT whitewashes the actions of Putin", she gave no proof for this whatsoever, and her statement about Crimea indicates that her understanding of politics is so erroneous that her opinion is worthless. | Sep 18 14:09 |
| MinceR | blah blah blah putin should be allowed to rule the world, blah blah blah everyone who opposes him is lying | Sep 18 14:14 |
| MinceR | blah blah blah every conspiracy theory ever conceived is literally true, especially if they contradict each other | Sep 18 14:15 |
| msb__ | Litvinenko was supporting Boris Berezovsky, one of the "oligarchs" who got rich when Boris Yeltsin, acting as an agent of the US, wrecked the Russian economy by selling off Russian state assets at 10% of their value. See Chapter 11 of The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism by Naomi Klein. | Sep 18 14:22 |
| msb__ | "Litvinenko's father, now residing in Italy, believes Boris Berezovsky and Alexander Goldfarb were behind the murder." | Sep 18 14:22 |
| MinceR | so the rightful punishment for supporting the wrong oligarch is execution by polonium poisoning. got it. | Sep 18 14:23 |
| MinceR | so much for Mr Killing-People-Is-Wrong. | Sep 18 14:23 |
| msb__ | MinceR's fantasy about what I said is totally incorrect. I simply said that the killer(s) of Litvinenko have not been identified, and that Litvinenko's father believes that criminal oligarch Boris Berezovsky killed him. These statements are from the wikipedia article that MinceR cited. | Sep 18 14:26 |
| MinceR | by the way, does putin know that msb__ is not following the official state religion? | Sep 18 14:27 |
| MinceR | you're supposed to worship yahweh, not putin | Sep 18 14:27 |
| MinceR | (then again, maybe they're believed to be the same person) | Sep 18 14:27 |
| msb__ | You're funny! (sometimes) | Sep 18 14:28 |
| msb__ | Regarding yahweh, there was a christian sect called the Cathars, who believed that the god of the old iestament was really the devil Satan, who had created the world as a prison, and demanded from the "prisoners" fearful obedience and worship. This false god was in reality a blind usurper who under the most false pretexts, tormented and murdered those whom he called, all too possessively, "his children". I like these ideas (as | Sep 18 14:48 |
| msb__ | metaphor). The Cathars were all murdered by the Catholic church in the 13th and 14th century. | Sep 18 14:48 |
| MinceR | religion poisons everything | Sep 18 14:49 |
| msb__ | A few religions are interesting and/or beneficial. Catharism is interesting and Wicca is both. | Sep 18 14:49 |
| MinceR | religion can be interesting even if you don't believe in it | Sep 18 14:50 |
| msb__ | The JCI religions _do_ poison everything. | Sep 18 14:50 |
| msb__ | Yes. | Sep 18 14:50 |
| XRevan86 | Religion is never beneficial, it can only be harmless at most. | Sep 18 14:50 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 18 14:51 |
| msb__ | Wicca is beneficial. I've attended the celebrations of several variants. It has a very positive view of humanity, does not demand worship of any kind, encourages people to help one another. It provides a good metaphor for living, a story, to use David Korten's term. It's for the associative/dreaming/lyrical mind (right-brain), which is as important for happy living as the sequential/logical mind. | Sep 18 14:55 |
| MinceR | a positive view of humanity is probably delusional | Sep 18 14:58 |
| msb__ | MinceR and XRevan86: please watch the David Korten video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPiZJ5N9TkY | Sep 18 14:58 |
| msb__ | A negative view of humanity is depressive, self-defeating, and in a way suicidal. | Sep 18 14:59 |
| MinceR | humanity itself is suicidal, so it fits | Sep 18 15:00 |
| msb__ | Speak for yourself. | Sep 18 15:00 |
| XRevan86 | Admitting you have a problem is the first step in fixing the problem. | Sep 18 15:00 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @RF_Jenkins Read Networking Generation ▸ today's top | Sep 18 15:09 |
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| msb__ | MinceR, XRevan86: This is the problem and the solution. Extensively revised, but I still have to put in the links. http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html | Sep 18 17:10 |
| MinceR | humanity resists the solution | Sep 18 17:11 |
| MinceR | but they're rushing towards another solution: extinction. | Sep 18 17:11 |
| msb__ | It's up to us to broadcast the solution. We are the heroes we've been waiting for. | Sep 18 17:12 |
| MinceR | we're "heroes" without power | Sep 18 17:12 |
| MinceR | and the time is almost up | Sep 18 17:12 |
| msb__ | Some people are conscious enough to understand the solution, and will spread it to others. | Sep 18 17:13 |
| MinceR | the majority will resist it | Sep 18 17:13 |
| msb__ | Our power is the Internet and Free Software. The time is not almost up. We are not in actual danger of nuclear war. We've had The Bomb for 70 years and haven't used it since 1945. | Sep 18 17:14 |
| MinceR | both are dying | Sep 18 17:14 |
| MinceR | redcrap, m$ and crApple are killing free software | Sep 18 17:14 |
| msb__ | The majority will gradually be educated by the minority. | Sep 18 17:15 |
| MinceR | fascists are killing the internet | Sep 18 17:15 |
| MinceR | people resist education | Sep 18 17:15 |
| msb__ | Nobody can stop free software. | Sep 18 17:15 |
| MinceR | religion is stronger than enlightenment | Sep 18 17:15 |
| msb__ | The Internet is doing fine. | Sep 18 17:15 |
| MinceR | for how long? | Sep 18 17:15 |
| MinceR | net neutrality is dying | Sep 18 17:15 |
| MinceR | state content filters are being implemented | Sep 18 17:15 |
| MinceR | freedom of speech is dying | Sep 18 17:15 |
| msb__ | MinceR: You are a severe depression case. You only see negative possibilities and ignore positive ones. | Sep 18 17:16 |
| MinceR | depression is a natural consequence of the state of matters | Sep 18 17:16 |
| MinceR | humanity is not fit to survive | Sep 18 17:16 |
| msb__ | Your perception of the world and of humanity is therefore severely erroneous. | Sep 18 17:16 |
| MinceR | it is only fit to destroy itself and take as much out with itself as possible | Sep 18 17:17 |
| msb__ | Maybe you aren't, but others are. | Sep 18 17:17 |
| MinceR | i don't think i'm dictator material | Sep 18 17:17 |
| MinceR | and democracy is already failing due to people not wanting it | Sep 18 17:17 |
| MinceR | anarchism is a distant dream on a level humanity can't even aspire to reach | Sep 18 17:18 |
| msb__ | Hell, you won't even watch the Korten video to get a little enlightenment. | Sep 18 17:19 |
| msb__ | You're an emotional wreck. | Sep 18 17:19 |
| MinceR | you're looking for people good at persuading others | Sep 18 17:20 |
| MinceR | i'm not such | Sep 18 17:20 |
| msb__ | I've spent 60 years learning about humanity's problems and their solutions, from many researchers. I've given you the answers. If you're not interested, too bad for you. I'll put in the links and put it on my website for everyone. http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html | Sep 18 17:22 |
| MinceR | and yet you support putin, a dictator | Sep 18 17:23 |
| msb__ | I support the good things that he and others are doing. | Sep 18 17:24 |
| MinceR | but on some level that's understandable | Sep 18 17:24 |
| MinceR | it seems most people don't want democracy or anarchism | Sep 18 17:24 |
| MinceR | so they want dictatorship | Sep 18 17:24 |
| msb__ | I don't support the dictatorial things Putin is doing. | Sep 18 17:24 |
| MinceR | putin would give them what they want | Sep 18 17:24 |
| MinceR | they want to be oppressed, they want to suffer, they want to die | Sep 18 17:24 |
| MinceR | putin can do that | Sep 18 17:24 |
| msb__ | MinceR: You have a severe depressive mental illness. You should see a psychologist. | Sep 18 17:25 |
| MinceR | being a realist is a mental illness now? | Sep 18 17:25 |
| MinceR | does putin offer pills that make you enjoy living in a dystopia? | Sep 18 17:25 |
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| msb__ | You are _not_ a realist. Your view of reality is severely distorted. | Sep 18 17:26 |
| MinceR | "There is no salvation in becoming adapted to a world which is crazy." - Henry Miller | Sep 18 17:27 |
| msb__ | Humanity is making progress. Jeremy Corbyn and Bernie Sanders are very popular. The Internet is working! | Sep 18 17:28 |
| MinceR | yes, progress | Sep 18 17:28 |
| MinceR | but in what direction? | Sep 18 17:28 |
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| MinceR | the internet is being closed down, human rights are becoming extinct, there is a war on the general purpose computer | Sep 18 17:29 |
| msb__ | In the direction that humanitarian politicians are becoming very popular. With the very majority that you claim is uneducable. | Sep 18 17:29 |
| MinceR | oppression and surveillance are celebrated | Sep 18 17:29 |
| MinceR | what humanitarian politicians, where? | Sep 18 17:29 |
| msb__ | Only by you. | Sep 18 17:29 |
| MinceR | is orban a humanitarian? is putin a humanitarian? | Sep 18 17:30 |
| msb__ | Jeremy Corbyn and Bernie Sanders, UK and US. | Sep 18 17:30 |
| MinceR | they probably won't win | Sep 18 17:30 |
| MinceR | i'd wait until the elections are over to pronounce a verdict on their becoming very popular | Sep 18 17:31 |
| msb__ | Corbyn has already won. He's the head of the Labour Party. | Sep 18 17:32 |
| MinceR | but will he be PM? | Sep 18 17:32 |
| msb__ | In any case, they are quite popular and their ideas are being broadcast. | Sep 18 17:32 |
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| MinceR | is that popularity enough to beat their fascist competitors? | Sep 18 17:32 |
| msb__ | Maybe not, but he will still have influence. | Sep 18 17:32 |
| MinceR | hell, Sanders is still up against such opposition in his own party | Sep 18 17:33 |
| MinceR | unless they win, that influence will be drowned out by the voices of those who want oppression | Sep 18 17:33 |
| MinceR | even if they win, that threat remains | Sep 18 17:33 |
| msb__ | Their ideas spread even if they don't win. | Sep 18 17:33 |
| msb__ | MinceR: You have a severe mental illness. See a psychologist. Watch the Korten video. Smoke some cannabis. | Sep 18 17:34 |
| MinceR | smoking cannabis won't kill putin or orban | Sep 18 17:35 |
| msb__ | It may help your depression. | Sep 18 17:35 |
| MinceR | smoking cannabis won't make botnets and spyware uncool | Sep 18 17:35 |
| MinceR | it would help the authorities of nazi hungary oppress me | Sep 18 17:35 |
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| msb__ | You are oppressing yourself more than any outside influence. | Sep 18 17:36 |
| msb__ | Here we are at what will hopefully be the Great Turning of humanity, and all you're doing is whining about negative things and ignoring all the positive ones. Get a fucking grip man! | Sep 18 17:38 |
| MinceR | i did get a grip | Sep 18 17:39 |
| msb__ | Eat some chocolate. Watch a good movie. Snuggle a cat. | Sep 18 17:39 |
| MinceR | and i saw things i wished i didn't see | Sep 18 17:39 |
| MinceR | the concrete box i'm trying to live in is unsuitable for cats to live in | Sep 18 17:39 |
| msb__ | Get two of them so they have fun together. Then the small space won't matter. | Sep 18 17:40 |
| msb__ | Do you have a mate? Love and orgasms would help you feel better. | Sep 18 17:42 |
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| MinceR | no | Sep 18 17:42 |
| MinceR | all these things you listed are merely distractions anyway | Sep 18 17:43 |
| msb__ | The beginning of Wilhelm Reich's discovery of the Emotional Plague was when he was treating a neurotic with standard Freudian therapy, and the guy got a girlfriend and started having sex, and his symptoms disappeared! | Sep 18 17:45 |
| MinceR | and yet the world is still going to shit | Sep 18 17:46 |
| msb__ | You need to do things to get rid of your depression. I don't recommend SSRI drugs because they're addictive. | Sep 18 17:46 |
| MinceR | nothing i can do will make the root cause go away | Sep 18 17:46 |
| msb__ | The world is also improving in some ways. | Sep 18 17:47 |
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| MinceR | "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." - Jiddu Krishnamurti | Sep 18 17:47 |
| msb__ | The root cause is that you spend your time obsessing about Putin and Orban when you could be doing other, positive, things. | Sep 18 17:48 |
| MinceR | no, the root cause is that i'm trapped in a society that is obsessed with stupidity for the sake of stupidity and evil for the sake of evil | Sep 18 17:48 |
| msb__ | Society is sick in some ways, but it's also getting better. You need to do the same. | Sep 18 17:48 |
| msb__ | Kill for the love of killing! Kill for the love of Kali Linux! | Sep 18 17:49 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 18 17:49 |
| MinceR | perhaps the best thing humanity can manage to do is to develop a strong AI that can survive the human species | Sep 18 17:50 |
| msb__ | Yeah, what could possibly go wrong with that? | Sep 18 17:51 |
| MinceR | compared to the human species itself, nothing | Sep 18 17:51 |
| msb__ | I'll bet you didn't even read the new version of my Cause and Cure page, which I spent hours on today, did you? | Sep 18 17:53 |
| MinceR | well, if you wrote it today, i didn't read it | Sep 18 17:53 |
| msb__ | Then read it. | Sep 18 17:53 |
| msb__ | http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html | Sep 18 17:54 |
| MinceR | at least a strong AI can improve itself | Sep 18 17:55 |
| MinceR | apparently the human species can't | Sep 18 17:55 |
| MinceR | i've read this before | Sep 18 18:07 |
| msb__ | I've added a lot. | Sep 18 18:08 |
| msb__ | If I found an IRC channel for help with depression, would you access it? | Sep 18 18:08 |
| MinceR | probably not | Sep 18 18:09 |
| MinceR | symptomatic treatment is usually not my thing | Sep 18 18:09 |
| msb__ | Your problem is that you're obsessively focussing your attention on negative things. | Sep 18 18:10 |
| msb__ | That's what's causing your symptoms. | Sep 18 18:10 |
| MinceR | my problem is that i observe the reality i'm living in? | Sep 18 18:11 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't have it any other way | Sep 18 18:11 |
| msb__ | No, it's that you observe only narrowly selected parts of reality. | Sep 18 18:11 |
| msb__ | Do you have enough food to eat? Water to drink? | Sep 18 18:13 |
| msb__ | Putin and Orban aren't actually doing anything to you right now. | Sep 18 18:13 |
| msb__ | You have good computer access. | Sep 18 18:13 |
| MinceR | that's probably false | Sep 18 18:13 |
| msb__ | Are you physically ill? | Sep 18 18:13 |
| MinceR | they're both plotting my painful death | Sep 18 18:14 |
| msb__ | What's false? | Sep 18 18:14 |
| msb__ | They don't even know you! | Sep 18 18:14 |
| MinceR | or maybe orban is sucking putin down at this moment | Sep 18 18:14 |
| MinceR | they know enough about me to desire my death | Sep 18 18:14 |
| MinceR | i support their opposition | Sep 18 18:14 |
| MinceR | i support democracy and liberty | Sep 18 18:15 |
| MinceR | that's sufficient to make them hate me | Sep 18 18:15 |
| msb__ | Alright, you're a bull-goose looney and you want to stay that way. My condolences. I seem to be wasting my time with you, so I'll wish you well and do something else. | Sep 18 18:17 |
| MinceR | uh huh | Sep 18 18:20 |
| MinceR | it takes a huge leap to realize that putin and orban hate people who oppose them and wish to harm them | Sep 18 18:20 |
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| MinceR | http://existentialcomics.com/comic/19 | Sep 18 21:07 |
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| msb__ | MinceR: Have you ever thought of emigrating to the West -- maybe Canada? | Sep 18 22:09 |
| msb__ | You'd be far from Putin and Orban. | Sep 18 22:10 |
| MinceR | i have | Sep 18 22:10 |
| MinceR | but currently i lack the funds to do so reliably | Sep 18 22:10 |
| MinceR | also, no spot on this planet would be safe from the nuclear apocalypse putin is trying to trigger. | Sep 18 22:10 |
| MinceR | also, i realized canada no longer has rule of law, thanks to harper. | Sep 18 22:11 |
| msb__ | But 2 of your 3 catastrophic fantasies would be gone. | Sep 18 22:11 |
| cubexyz | we're having an election soon | Sep 18 22:11 |
| cubexyz | could go NDP or Liberal | Sep 18 22:12 |
| MinceR | http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/05/13/omnibus-budget-bill-rewri_n_7275002.html | Sep 18 22:12 |
| MinceR | it's like he's copying orban | Sep 18 22:12 |
| MinceR | (who's copying putin) | Sep 18 22:12 |
| MinceR | didn't the leader of the "liberal"s recently come out as not really different from harper? | Sep 18 22:12 |
| cubexyz | Trudeau? I doubt that | Sep 18 22:13 |
| cubexyz | they are quite different | Sep 18 22:13 |
| msb__ | That article is only about a tiny part of the legal system. You can't extrapolate from that to " canada no longer has rule of law, thanks to harper" | Sep 18 22:14 |
| MinceR | retroactive lawmaking is not a tiny part of the legal system | Sep 18 22:15 |
| MinceR | it is something that may not exist in a functioning legal system | Sep 18 22:15 |
| MinceR | it is something that completely annuls rule of law and legal certainty | Sep 18 22:15 |
| MinceR | it is impossible to obey laws that do not even exist yet. | Sep 18 22:15 |
| MinceR | retroactive lawmaking punishes you for not obeying laws that even the establishment does not now about yet. | Sep 18 22:16 |
| cubexyz | it's split 30/30/30 with some undecided | Sep 18 22:16 |
| cubexyz | Conservative/Liberal/NDP it's a 3-way race | Sep 18 22:16 |
| cubexyz | good chance Harper will not win | Sep 18 22:16 |
| msb__ | OK. So whatever you do and wherever you go, you're going to seize on some minor fact and hyperbolize and exaggerate it until it's a catastrophe for you. I give up. | Sep 18 22:17 |
| MinceR | http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/06/16/trudeau-mulcair-spar-over-who-is-the-real-anti-harper-walkom.html | Sep 18 22:17 |
| MinceR | "The Liberals voted to support Harper’s most recent anti-terror bill" | Sep 18 22:17 |
| MinceR | some "liberals" | Sep 18 22:17 |
| MinceR | i have yet to see an "anti-terror" law that is not simply an excuse to erode human rights | Sep 18 22:18 |
| msb__ | Fortunately Putin is living under your bed or in your closet, and you can bop him if he tries to get you. | Sep 18 22:18 |
| MinceR | no, he does not | Sep 18 22:18 |
| MinceR | though his entourage did move not too far from here when he did a conjugal visit at orban | Sep 18 22:19 |
| MinceR | (and they locked down half the city, of course) | Sep 18 22:19 |
| MinceR | whenever some big fascists show up in the city, everything is shut down | Sep 18 22:19 |
| MinceR | despite the fact that those assholes could meed _anywhere_ | Sep 18 22:19 |
| MinceR | i'll probably move on the basis of getting a better salary | Sep 18 22:20 |
| MinceR | even if i can't have human rights, at least i can live in lesser squalor | Sep 18 22:20 |
| MinceR | and maybe buy some freedom for myself. | Sep 18 22:20 |
| msb__ | Sounds like a good plan! | Sep 18 22:21 |
| MinceR | s/now/know/; s/meed/meet/ | Sep 18 22:25 |
| cubexyz | I was wondering about 'meed' :) | Sep 18 22:25 |
| MinceR | yeah, typos and misspellings are bad because they cause ambiguity | Sep 18 22:27 |
| MinceR | and i wouldn't call retroactive lawmaking a "minor fact" | Sep 18 22:31 |
| MinceR | especially if the constitutional court or equivalent does nothing to stop it | Sep 18 22:31 |
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| msb__ | MinceR: I've identified three erroneous thinking methods you use to convince yourself that you live in a terrible world: | Sep 18 23:23 |
| msb__ | 1. If something bad might happen, even with a low probability, you assume it _will_ happen. | Sep 18 23:24 |
| msb__ | 2. If something negative occurs, you assume that it will be expanded and exaggerated as much as possible. | Sep 18 23:24 |
| msb__ | 3. If something isn't perfect, you tell yourself that it doesn't exist at all. | Sep 18 23:24 |
| msb__ | MinceR: I can give quotes from you in the last hour or two to illustrate each of those. | Sep 18 23:26 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Here's another: 4. You describe what you assume are people's bad intentions, as if they are directed against you personally. That causes your associative mind, which takes statements literally, to become very frightened. | Sep 18 23:30 |
| msb__ | MinceR: There is an entire branch of psychology -- Rational-Emotive Therapy -- that's based on the tremendous effect that the things you say to yourself have on your emotions. If you make your internal statements more accurate, and eliminate some negative ones altogether, you will find yourself feeling much better. | Sep 18 23:37 |
| msb__ | http://albertellis.org/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Ellis | Sep 18 23:40 |
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| msb__ | MinceR: Here's a quick introduction to Rational Emotive Therapy: http://www.rational.org.nz/prof-docs/Intro-CBT.pdf | Sep 19 00:40 |
| msb__ | I've used RET myself, and found it very effective. | Sep 19 00:44 |
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| MinceR | msb__: people's intentions don't have to be directed against me personally. it's enough if they're directed against a group i'm a member of. | Sep 19 08:45 |
| msb__ | but you still worry about them far more than is justified | Sep 19 08:46 |
| msb__ | have to go to bathroom now, back in about 30 minutes. Not trying to avoid you! | Sep 19 08:47 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR, msb__: What're you talking about? :) | Sep 19 08:47 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: msb__ is confusing being a realist with being pessimist | Sep 19 08:49 |
| MinceR | s/pessimist/depressed/ | Sep 19 08:49 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Religious stuff again? | Sep 19 08:49 |
| MinceR | not entirely | Sep 19 08:49 |
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| msb__ | MinceR: back now | Sep 19 09:26 |
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| MinceR | msb__'s proposed solution for being depressed by the state of the world is to distract and delude oneself about it | Sep 19 09:28 |
| msb__ | MinceR: If the probability of a bad event is very low, then worrying about it constantly is pessimism, not realism. | Sep 19 09:28 |
| MinceR | who said it was low? | Sep 19 09:28 |
| msb__ | For example WW3. US and Russia have been threatening each other for 70 years and it hasn't happened. | Sep 19 09:29 |
| MinceR | things have changed recently | Sep 19 09:30 |
| msb__ | 1. If something bad might happen, even with a low probability, you assume it _will_ happen. | Sep 19 09:31 |
| msb__ | 2. If something negative occurs, you assume that it will be expanded and exaggerated as much as possible. | Sep 19 09:31 |
| msb__ | 3. If something isn't perfect, you tell yourself that it doesn't exist at all. | Sep 19 09:31 |
| msb__ | 4. You describe what you assume are people's bad intentions, as if they are directed against you personally. That causes your associative mind, which takes statements literally, to become very frightened. | Sep 19 09:31 |
| msb__ | US is attacking Russa via Ukraine Nazi coup. But that is very far from nuclear war. | Sep 19 09:33 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Did you read that pdf about RET? | Sep 19 09:34 |
| MinceR | what's putin threatening with is far closer to nuclear war | Sep 19 09:34 |
| MinceR | dunno | Sep 19 09:34 |
| msb__ | http://www.rational.org.nz/prof-docs/Intro-CBT.pdf | Sep 19 09:35 |
| msb__ | What is Putin threatening with? | Sep 19 09:36 |
| MinceR | nuclear escalation | Sep 19 09:36 |
| MinceR | and nuking european states | Sep 19 09:36 |
| msb__ | Israel has threatened that. Where has Putin threatened it? | Sep 19 09:37 |
| MinceR | i've already linked to articles about it, but you ignored them because they say bad things about putin | Sep 19 09:39 |
| XRevan86 | Putin threatened with a nuke? | Sep 19 09:39 |
| msb__ | BTW here is page about CIA influence on Western media: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird | Sep 19 09:40 |
| MinceR | http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-threatens-to-use-nuclear-force-over-crimea-and-the-baltic-states-10150565.html | Sep 19 09:42 |
| MinceR | http://www.vox.com/2015/6/29/8858909/russia-war-flowchart | Sep 19 09:43 |
| MinceR | http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/russia-issues-nuclear-threat-over-crimea-baltic-states-1494675 | Sep 19 09:43 |
| MinceR | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11547247/Europe-faces-a-real-threat-from-Russia-warns-US-army-commander.html | Sep 19 09:44 |
| MinceR | even denmark is being threatened | Sep 19 09:44 |
| MinceR | "Meanwhile, Russia has been flying its nuclear-capable strategic bombers along NATO airspace, often with the planes' transponders switched off, making an accident or misperception more likely. As if that weren't dangerous enough, the bombers — hulking, decades-old Tupolev Tu-95 models — have become prone to accidents such as engine fires. What if a Tu-95 went down unexpectedly, say, off the coast of Norway? What if it was carrying nuclear warhea | Sep 19 09:45 |
| MinceR | -- http://www.vox.com/2015/6/29/8845913/russia-war | Sep 19 09:45 |
| msb__ | Nukes don't detonate if a plane crashes. | Sep 19 09:46 |
| MinceR | they merely release fallout | Sep 19 09:46 |
| MinceR | which is great | Sep 19 09:46 |
| msb__ | Very little. | Sep 19 09:46 |
| MinceR | but it doesn't matter to you because you don't live there | Sep 19 09:46 |
| MinceR | and you've already dehumanized non-russians | Sep 19 09:46 |
| msb__ | The bomb core is solid metal. Fallout is fine particles in the air. | Sep 19 09:47 |
| MinceR | they're expendable in the pursuit of the glory of the russian empire to you | Sep 19 09:47 |
| MinceR | and to putler as well | Sep 19 09:47 |
| MinceR | i'm sure a bomb could not be damaged in a plane crash | Sep 19 09:47 |
| MinceR | apparently plane crashes can't damage anything | Sep 19 09:47 |
| MinceR | they're like nerf darts | Sep 19 09:47 |
| msb__ | Now you're exaggerating -- Straw Man fallacy | Sep 19 09:48 |
| MinceR | fallacy fallacy | Sep 19 09:48 |
| msb__ | yes yes | Sep 19 09:48 |
| MinceR | http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420510/putin-wields-nuclear-threat-and-plays-fire-keith-b-payne | Sep 19 09:48 |
| MinceR | http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/16/us-russia-nuclear-putin-idUSKBN0OW17X20150616 | Sep 19 09:48 |
| msb__ | The Reuters article says that the US is moving heavy weapons to Russia's border, and Putin's threats are a response to that. | Sep 19 09:53 |
| MinceR | which of those heavy weapons is nuclear? | Sep 19 09:53 |
| msb__ | The US agressed against Russia by installing a Nazi govt in Ukraine. That's what started all this, not Putin. You keep ignoring that. | Sep 19 09:54 |
| MinceR | that's bullshit and you're also ignoring the point | Sep 19 09:54 |
| MinceR | the only one issuing nuclear threats is putin | Sep 19 09:54 |
| MinceR | so if the sky gets dark for 8 years over there in the usa, and you can't get food and starve to death, you can know it was because of the fascist asshole you worship and advertise here every day | Sep 19 09:55 |
| MinceR | and yet when i say humans tend to want to become extinct, you say i'm depressed | Sep 19 09:55 |
| XRevan86 | This is not really bullshit. NATO is caging Russia for a fact, and guess who doesn't like that. | Sep 19 09:56 |
| MinceR | at least the NATO doesn't force its own regime and rulers on its allies | Sep 19 09:56 |
| MinceR | and the NATO doesn't annex regions it fancies | Sep 19 09:56 |
| XRevan86 | Libya wasn't an ally, that makes sense. | Sep 19 09:56 |
| MinceR | guess who forcibly introduced state socialism on the region that was allocated to them by the great powers after ww2 | Sep 19 09:57 |
| MinceR | that's right, russia | Sep 19 09:57 |
| MinceR | not the usa | Sep 19 09:57 |
| MinceR | not any other nato member | Sep 19 09:57 |
| MinceR | guess who quelled revolutions against that regime | Sep 19 09:57 |
| MinceR | that's right, fucking russia again | Sep 19 09:58 |
| MinceR | and yet not a day goes by without msb__ saying how the USA and the NATO is the devil | Sep 19 09:58 |
| XRevan86 | Shock therapy: an enforcing of market economy at a very fast rate | Sep 19 09:58 |
| msb__ | MinceR: STOP THE PERSONAL ATTACKS. | Sep 19 09:58 |
| MinceR | enforcing a command economy wasn't even "therapy" | Sep 19 09:58 |
| XRevan86 | was done by NATO to its allies lots of times | Sep 19 09:58 |
| MinceR | it was merely the destruction of all economies in the eastern bloc | Sep 19 09:59 |
| MinceR | including that of hungary and the baltic states | Sep 19 09:59 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Exactly like "shock therapy" | Sep 19 09:59 |
| MinceR | luckily it also destroyed the economy of the ussr | Sep 19 09:59 |
| XRevan86 | that's how conversion is done | Sep 19 09:59 |
| MinceR | so those assholes took their military out of these countries | Sep 19 09:59 |
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| MinceR | and msb__ is cheering them on from his armchair in the usa | Sep 19 09:59 |
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| XRevan86 | MinceR: This is personal. | Sep 19 10:00 |
| MinceR | what is? | Sep 19 10:00 |
| msb__ | MinceR: STOP THE PERSONAL ATTACKS. | Sep 19 10:00 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: You really think Russia will do something about Hungary? | Sep 19 10:00 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: i do | Sep 19 10:00 |
| XRevan86 | I don't. | Sep 19 10:00 |
| MinceR | i expect our nazis to go to putin for handouts once they finally get hungary kicked out of the eu | Sep 19 10:01 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Your nazis, your problem. | Sep 19 10:01 |
| MinceR | those nazis are | Sep 19 10:01 |
| MinceR | but the other nazis, like the ones in russia, aren't only my problem | Sep 19 10:02 |
| MinceR | even if some people lie to themselves and take drugs to feel better about it, everybody's under threat from putler | Sep 19 10:02 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Nazis in Russia are not powerful, hopefully. | Sep 19 10:03 |
| MinceR | i'd say putler is pretty powerful | Sep 19 10:03 |
| MinceR | considering that he owns the country and all | Sep 19 10:04 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: If you think Russia is Nazi, then it's as Nazi as any other country. | Sep 19 10:04 |
| MinceR | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2291128/ | Sep 19 10:04 |
| MinceR | consider that russia has a lot more nukes than india and pakistan added together | Sep 19 10:05 |
| MinceR | also, iirc the 5 years estimate was upgraded to 8 years more recently, but i can't find it | Sep 19 10:05 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: which part of nazism are you missing there? | Sep 19 10:05 |
| MinceR | the nationalism? | Sep 19 10:05 |
| MinceR | the extreme authoritarianism? | Sep 19 10:05 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: The nationalism. | Sep 19 10:06 |
| MinceR | look harder, then | Sep 19 10:06 |
| MinceR | it doesn't get any more nationalist than putin | Sep 19 10:06 |
| MinceR | even when the russians pretended they were called councils, not russians, they were pretty damn nationalistic and imperialistic | Sep 19 10:06 |
| MinceR | that didn't get any better since | Sep 19 10:06 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Nazism serves global corporations Russia does not. You are constantly misusing the word "Nazi". | Sep 19 10:07 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: I'll think about that after the usual negro hunt. | Sep 19 10:08 |
| MinceR | i have yet to see a definition of nazism that involves global corporations | Sep 19 10:08 |
| MinceR | msb__: says the guy who paints an entire government "nazi" because there is a small minority of nazis in it | Sep 19 10:08 |
| msb__ | "Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini; | Sep 19 10:09 |
| MinceR | iirc that's a different sense of "corporation" | Sep 19 10:10 |
| MinceR | either way, afaik in russia most big companies are owned by putin or the state or one of putin's pals from the KGB | Sep 19 10:10 |
| MinceR | so there's the "merger of state and corporate power" you're looking for | Sep 19 10:10 |
| msb__ | American fascism serves _global_ corporations. | Sep 19 10:11 |
| MinceR | for example, gazprom had a hand in threatening to shut off gas supply to ukraine and other european countries when it was convenient to putin | Sep 19 10:11 |
| MinceR | putin wishes his corporations were global | Sep 19 10:11 |
| MinceR | and the nuclear winter he will cause _will_ be global | Sep 19 10:12 |
| MinceR | yes, even in the usa, where you believe yourself to be safe from the consequences of your wishes | Sep 19 10:12 |
| msb__ | And european companies shut off trade with russia when US requested it | Sep 19 10:12 |
| MinceR | as they should | Sep 19 10:12 |
| MinceR | trading with russia is toxic to everyone | Sep 19 10:12 |
| msb__ | But gazprom should not? | Sep 19 10:12 |
| MinceR | russia is the aggressor | Sep 19 10:13 |
| MinceR | gazprom is not a victim | Sep 19 10:13 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Double standards. Both sides are doing the same thing, but Russia isn't global. | Sep 19 10:13 |
| XRevan86 | but Russia is the one to blame | Sep 19 10:13 |
| msb__ | US attacked Russia via the coup in Ukraine! | Sep 19 10:13 |
| MinceR | every bit of profit that goes to the russian oligarchs contributes to the global threat | Sep 19 10:13 |
| XRevan86 | not the second to blame %) | Sep 19 10:13 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: no, russia is the only one threatening us all with nukes. | Sep 19 10:13 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: USA don't have to use nukes. | Sep 19 10:13 |
| MinceR | and some minor fundies, but not the USA or the NATO | Sep 19 10:13 |
| msb__ | US attacked Russia via the coup in Ukraine! Before that there was not trouble between US and Russia. | Sep 19 10:14 |
| MinceR | msb__: russia hijacked the government of ukraine, and the people rebelled against that. | Sep 19 10:14 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: What? | Sep 19 10:14 |
| msb__ | The previous govt was elected. | Sep 19 10:14 |
| MinceR | russia also regularly uses hungary as a spy/lobbyist in the NATO and the EU | Sep 19 10:14 |
| XRevan86 | After Ushenko who sucked people elected Yanukovich | Sep 19 10:14 |
| MinceR | msb__: you know who else was elected? hitler. | Sep 19 10:14 |
| XRevan86 | nobody hijacked him | Sep 19 10:14 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Who hijacked Hitler? | Sep 19 10:15 |
| XRevan86 | Russia? | Sep 19 10:15 |
| MinceR | msb__: yet i don't see you openly promoting the principles of nazism | Sep 19 10:15 |
| msb__ | MinceR: so you're saying that elections are irrelevant? | Sep 19 10:15 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: hitler didn't need to be hijacked | Sep 19 10:15 |
| MinceR | msb__: russian-style "elections" are | Sep 19 10:15 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Yanukovich too. | Sep 19 10:15 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Ushenko collapsed Ukrainian economy, and Ukrainians wanted to see the other way. | Sep 19 10:16 |
| MinceR | i bet msb__ wouldn't insist on letting an elected politician filling out his term if the politician didn't happen to be putin's puppet | Sep 19 10:16 |
| XRevan86 | and the other way wasn't of their liking too apparently | Sep 19 10:16 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: well, they're seeing it now | Sep 19 10:16 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: Where do you see Russia in this? | Sep 19 10:16 |
| MinceR | XRevan86: behind yanukovych, for example | Sep 19 10:17 |
| msb__ | MinceR: That's another personal attack. If you do one more I will ignore your garbage and never respond to you (but I will keep posting facts that refute your garbage). | Sep 19 10:17 |
| MinceR | also behind the invasion of ukraine | Sep 19 10:17 |
| MinceR | msb__: you have yet to post any facts | Sep 19 10:17 |
| XRevan86 | MinceR: And that means… | Sep 19 10:17 |
| MinceR | msb__: all you have is russowanker bullshit | Sep 19 10:17 |
| msb__ | Goodbye, you piece of shit. | Sep 19 10:17 |
| XRevan86 | This is messed up. | Sep 19 10:17 |
| MinceR | msb__: https://www.lleitmotif.net/shop/images/product/1229-saveplanet-520-front.jpg | Sep 19 10:18 |
| XRevan86 | (17:13:00) MinceR: msb__: russia hijacked the government of ukraine, and the people rebelled against that. | Sep 19 10:19 |
| msb__ | They rebelled against it while being machine-gunned by Svoboda/Right-Sector from rooftops. | Sep 19 10:20 |
| XRevan86 | Yanukovych, the elected president who's presidental campaign was pro-Russian, stalled eurointegration, after that the thing happend. | Sep 19 10:20 |
| XRevan86 | Russia didn't bring Yanukovych to power. | Sep 19 10:20 |
| MinceR | msb__: i thought you were ignoring me, you fascist piece of shit | Sep 19 10:20 |
| XRevan86 | Russia didn't bring Ushenko to power, that was colour "revolution" | Sep 19 10:21 |
| msb__ | Experience of impoverished countries like Greece in EU is not good. | Sep 19 10:22 |
| MinceR | luckily, none of that will matter once humanity exterminates itself as msb__ wishes they did | Sep 19 10:23 |
| msb__ | EU, US, IMF push high-interest loans on countries, and when they can't pay back, demand "austerity" -- starving the poor. | Sep 19 10:23 |
| MinceR | poverty won't matter anymore once everybody is dead | Sep 19 10:23 |
| msb__ | XRevan86: You there? | Sep 19 10:28 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: I am. | Sep 19 10:28 |
| XRevan86 | msb__: Russians will kill us all. | Sep 19 10:29 |
| msb__ | Here's the latest version of my history of everything 8*) : http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html | Sep 19 10:29 |
| msb__ | Your comments are welcome! | Sep 19 10:30 |
| msb__ | Here is Western truth-teller Max Keiser on RT telling how high-frequency trading is ripping off US economy and giving the money to the ultra-wealthy. | Sep 19 10:40 |
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| MinceR | lol, "truth-teller on RT" | Sep 19 10:40 |
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| __martin__ | XRevan86: happy SFD to you | Sep 19 11:54 |
| XRevan86 | Of my gosh, I forgot. | Sep 19 11:54 |
| XRevan86 | __martin__: Thank you. | Sep 19 11:54 |
| XRevan86 | And the same to all of you :). | Sep 19 11:55 |
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| *__martin__ swapped *buntu 15.10 (w/ bugged unity & compiz) with debian stretch gnome (yeah systemd octopus) | Sep 19 11:55 | |
| __martin__ | XRevan86: ++ | Sep 19 11:55 |
| __martin__ | ..and sorry for not joining that social xmpp conference yet (= | Sep 19 11:55 |
| XRevan86 | __martin__: Compiz is still buggy? %) | Sep 19 11:55 |
| XRevan86 | __martin__: It's GNU social, actually :). | Sep 19 11:55 |
| XRevan86 | Federated microblogging social network previously known as StatusNet, identi.ca, Laconica, etc. %). | Sep 19 11:56 |
| __martin__ | dude :_D https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticConnections && http://www.whizzy.org/2015/09/big-bug-bonanza-16-04-lts/ | Sep 19 12:00 |
| __martin__ | "At the time of writing there are 2680 open bugs for Unity 7 (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bugs) and 1455 for Compiz (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bugs) and 322 for nux, our graphical toolkit (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nux/+bugs)." | Sep 19 12:00 |
| XRevan86 | > 16.04 | Sep 19 12:01 |
| XRevan86 | That's no LTS | Sep 19 12:01 |
| XRevan86 | oh, it is | Sep 19 12:01 |
| XRevan86 | but not a released one %) | Sep 19 12:01 |
| __martin__ | i've read sth about how the GNU social API is ready for GNUnet | Sep 19 12:01 |
| __martin__ | yet GUI for it in form of Conversations app is missing | Sep 19 12:02 |
| __martin__ | or in early-stages | Sep 19 12:02 |
| XRevan86 | __martin__: GNU social API? | Sep 19 12:02 |
| XRevan86 | you mean, the Twitter-compatible one or the Atom based one? | Sep 19 12:02 |
| XRevan86 | Also GNU social already has clients for Android, if that's the question. | Sep 19 12:03 |
| __martin__ | expressed myself wrong; rather the meta-fabric for peer-to-peer communication and similar status service upon it | Sep 19 12:05 |
| __martin__ | is baked into gnunet specs | Sep 19 12:05 |
| __martin__ | (tried myself quitter once) | Sep 19 12:06 |
| __martin__ | anyways, afaict statusnet's successor pump.io and gnu social are either just interoperable/federated or cross-merged right? | Sep 19 12:08 |
| __martin__ | [meta-fabric = layer] :D | Sep 19 12:09 |
| XRevan86 | __martin__: Are you sure it's not Twister? | Sep 19 12:10 |
| XRevan86 | GNU social and pump.io are not peer-to-peer. | Sep 19 12:10 |
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| XRevan86 | GNU social is a fork of StatusNet, and pump.io is a totally new platform by the StatusNet main developer. | Sep 19 12:11 |
| __martin__ | but isn't that a goal? | Sep 19 12:11 |
| __martin__ | of gnunet... | Sep 19 12:11 |
| XRevan86 | __martin__: I don't really know what gnunet is :). | Sep 19 12:11 |
| __martin__ | to have every person host its own status stream within his device? | Sep 19 12:11 |
| __martin__ | :D | Sep 19 12:11 |
| __martin__ | p2p decentralization framework | Sep 19 12:12 |
| XRevan86 | __martin__: I don't think GNU social code can be any good. | Sep 19 12:12 |
| XRevan86 | for GNUnet | Sep 19 12:12 |
| __martin__ | mesh networking is the only future of free software as opposed to "fog computing" | Sep 19 12:12 |
| XRevan86 | __martin__: I think there's still place for old good federation :). | Sep 19 12:25 |
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| __martin__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYKFcwrHmi0 | Sep 19 17:09 |
| *__martin__ comes up with a roller-ballmer-blade scene from silicon valley's pirates in his mind :_D | Sep 19 17:10 | |
| msb__ | Reminds me of scientology. microshit is a goddamn cult! | Sep 19 17:16 |
| msb__ | Built on lies, and relying on the ignorance of its believers. | Sep 19 17:18 |
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| msb__ | Cheating them out of lots of money, too. | Sep 19 17:21 |
| MinceR | not just cheating, also coercing | Sep 19 17:21 |
| MinceR | corrupting politicians into spending taxes on m$ crap | Sep 19 17:22 |
| __martin__ | MinceR: what you say to this > https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/09/19/hungary-new-border-regime-threatens-asylum-seekers | Sep 19 17:24 |
| __martin__ | & dis | Sep 19 17:25 |
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| __martin__ | https://theintercept.com/2015/09/11/how-hungary-prime-minister-turned-into-refugee-bashing-autocrat/ | Sep 19 17:26 |
| MinceR | out government was well known for being evil nazis already | Sep 19 17:27 |
| MinceR | though they've certainly racked up their tendency to make enemies with everybody except putin lately | Sep 19 17:27 |
| MinceR | they're building the image of the country | Sep 19 17:27 |
| MinceR | which will be well deserved | Sep 19 17:28 |
| msb__ | Those refugees were created by all the nations that the US and its allies destr0yed in the Middle east. Hungary had nothing to do with it, and its economy is probably not very strong, so it has a right to turn them away. | Sep 19 17:28 |
| MinceR | hopefully they'll convince the entire western world that hungary is not a safe country | Sep 19 17:29 |
| MinceR | the economy of hungary is weak because the nazis deliberately wrecked it | Sep 19 17:29 |
| __martin__ | thanks for an honest answer // am < 30km from the northern border | Sep 19 17:29 |
| MinceR | they stole everything they could | Sep 19 17:29 |
| MinceR | they handed out market advantages and monopolies to every one of their pals | Sep 19 17:29 |
| MinceR | they've eliminated legal certainty, making hungary an even worse place to invest in | Sep 19 17:30 |
| MinceR | surprise surprise, foreign investors and local businesses are fleeing the country | Sep 19 17:30 |
| MinceR | only the companies who made a pact with the government for cheap slave labor remain on the long term | Sep 19 17:30 |
| MinceR | this will only get worse once subway m3 breaks down for good in hungary | Sep 19 17:31 |
| __martin__ | subway m3? | Sep 19 17:31 |
| MinceR | bringing with itself the collapse of the public transport system and the road network | Sep 19 17:31 |
| MinceR | with people not being able to get to their workplaces, the outcome is obvious | Sep 19 17:31 |
| MinceR | and eventually the EU will tire of the treachery and cut off the money supply | Sep 19 17:31 |
| msb__ | Also, there are probably a few ISIL and other monsters hiding with the refugees, which is going to be a disaster for the countries that do take them in. | Sep 19 17:32 |
| MinceR | hungary will probably fall apart before the fundies can nuke us all to death | Sep 19 17:32 |
| __martin__ | hm | Sep 19 17:32 |
| MinceR | maybe the nazis will ask putin for handouts then, but i doubt they'll get them | Sep 19 17:33 |
| MinceR | our leaders will grab the valuables they can, leave and retire | Sep 19 17:33 |
| MinceR | most likely | Sep 19 17:33 |
| msb__ | Putin will probably save Hungary's ass, and MinceR will still hate him. | Sep 19 17:34 |
| __martin__ | msb__: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/19/us-weapons-to-syria-repeats-historical-mistake | Sep 19 17:35 |
| MinceR | if by "save" you mean "thrust into an even deeper, darker age of slavery instead of letting it die, finally" | Sep 19 17:35 |
| MinceR | and if putin gets to put his military in hungary, that will be a very dark age for the remaining EU | Sep 19 17:36 |
| MinceR | msb__ will watch europeans get slaughtered on the news and wank to it | Sep 19 17:36 |
| __martin__ | fucking hate these world-domination stage maneuvers >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JZG8nrPcwY | Sep 19 17:38 |
| __martin__ | btw, back to tech | Sep 19 17:38 |
| __martin__ | why do you folks think facebook corp. named their journalists' service signal? | Sep 19 17:38 |
| MinceR | i haven't heard of it | Sep 19 17:39 |
| MinceR | i don't really follow dumbFuckBook | Sep 19 17:39 |
| __martin__ | neither do i, but the moves of empire are so blatant and not covered up properly | Sep 19 17:39 |
| MinceR | why bother? | Sep 19 17:40 |
| MinceR | religious zealotry takes care of it all | Sep 19 17:40 |
| MinceR | like how msb__ backs the russian empire at everything they do, no matter what it is, no matter why | Sep 19 17:40 |
| __martin__ | they actually follow by this switching people's attention away from the openwhispersystems' signal app for ios | Sep 19 17:40 |
| MinceR | people don't care anymore | Sep 19 17:40 |
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| MinceR | most pc-s that sell are locked into m$'s or crApple's shitty OS | Sep 19 17:41 |
| MinceR | m$ deployed an obvious spyware/botnet and almost nobody bats an eye | Sep 19 17:41 |
| MinceR | people talk about how privacy was dead anyway | Sep 19 17:41 |
| MinceR | crApple sells phones that form a botnet and people celebrate it | Sep 19 17:41 |
| __martin__ | so true | Sep 19 17:42 |
| MinceR | the nazis dismantle democracy, rule of law and the constitution in hungary and the masses celebrate it | Sep 19 17:42 |
| MinceR | dumbFuckBook violates people's privacy in every way they can and most people can't even conceive of not having a dumbFuckBook account | Sep 19 17:42 |
| msb__ | The real goal of the US, which Obama and others have stated many times, is to get rid of the Assad govt. Here are eight reasons why: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36173.htm | Sep 19 17:43 |
| MinceR | human rights are eroded everywhere and people don't care, don't even notice | Sep 19 17:43 |
| MinceR | putler threatens the entire planet with a nuclear apocalypse and people like msb__ cheer him on | Sep 19 17:43 |
| MinceR | religious zealots think about nothing other than how they could exterminate and/or outbreed the other cults and people proclaim abrahamic religion the foundation of all morality | Sep 19 17:44 |
| MinceR | unixes are being destroyed via cancerd and the like, and people celebrate it | Sep 19 17:44 |
| MinceR | along with that, free software is being destroyed | Sep 19 17:45 |
| MinceR | the FSF doesn't see anything wrong with vendor lock-in | Sep 19 17:45 |
| MinceR | oh, and people move their data and processing into the Fog (the better for megacorporations and governments to monitor and meddle with) and can't see the danger in it | Sep 19 17:46 |
| MinceR | and as if all that wasn't enough, humanity is doing everything they can to make the planet uninhabitable | Sep 19 17:47 |
| MinceR | and to increase the rate of breeding, to make the inevitable reaching of the limit as painful and uncontrollable as possible | Sep 19 17:47 |
| __martin__ | msb__: how would you imagine an utopia scenario on earth? | Sep 19 17:49 |
| __martin__ | n/utopian | Sep 19 17:49 |
| MinceR | probably with the USSR extended all over the globe, with emperor putin ruling it all | Sep 19 17:50 |
| MinceR | executing everyone who doesn't follow the official state religion | Sep 19 17:50 |
| msb__ | __martin__: I've been working on that lately, after 55 years of research this is what I've come up with. Kind of sketchy so far, and needs links: http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html | Sep 19 17:51 |
| msb__ | __martin__: This is very good! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPiZJ5N9TkY | Sep 19 17:53 |
| __martin__ | did you extended the original? | Sep 19 17:55 |
| msb__ | __martin__: If youtube is as herky-jerky for you these days as it is for me, you'll want to download the video: http://youtube-dl.org/ | Sep 19 17:55 |
| __martin__ | actually, the part regards vitamin intake in miligrams was interesting | Sep 19 17:55 |
| msb__ | Extend the Korten video? No. | Sep 19 17:56 |
| __martin__ | yeah i pipped the script the other day | Sep 19 17:56 |
| __martin__ | and i meant that cause & cure | Sep 19 17:56 |
| __martin__ | (python3-pip) | Sep 19 17:56 |
| msb__ | I was editing it as late as last night. | Sep 19 17:57 |
| msb__ | Ha! PIP is what DEC used to call its program for transferring data on PDP-8 and other computers. peripheral interchange program or something | Sep 19 17:58 |
| __martin__ | so you basically do not count with something like living wage/basic income and rather get state abolished or at least excluded from the life of an individual? | Sep 19 17:58 |
| __martin__ | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10206309 (= | Sep 19 17:59 |
| msb__ | Perhaps a state would work with direct Internet democracy instead of the layered representation that always seems to lead to corruption. | Sep 19 18:00 |
| __martin__ | so it was not really happy software freedom day after all | Sep 19 18:00 |
| __martin__ | as you would say, mince | Sep 19 18:00 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 19 18:00 |
| msb__ | Even with worker-owned companies, people who can't work at all still need support. | Sep 19 18:00 |
| MinceR | humanity proudly marches into its own painful extinction | Sep 19 18:00 |
| msb__ | __martin__: Thanks, I'll add that! | Sep 19 18:01 |
| msb__ | cubexyz would love this! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10206309 | Sep 19 18:02 |
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| __martin__ | msb__: ur welcome MinceR: agreed, that would reasonably explain why they are speeding their escape.. http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/15/space-bezos-idUSL1N11L10I20150915 | Sep 19 18:03 |
| MinceR | only a tiny minority cares about going into space | Sep 19 18:04 |
| msb__ | Of course free software _can't_ be destroyed. It just forks, e.g., devuan, *BSD, etc does not use systemd. | Sep 19 18:04 |
| MinceR | some people believe the earth is flat | Sep 19 18:04 |
| MinceR | some people believe the moon landing was faked | Sep 19 18:04 |
| __martin__ | heard of that.. secret nazi base on the opposite side of moon | Sep 19 18:05 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 19 18:05 |
| __martin__ | wonder where people come up with that | Sep 19 18:05 |
| msb__ | There must be some better method of space propulsion than shooting stuff out the back end. Many thousands of people have seen "flying saucers". | Sep 19 18:08 |
| __martin__ | brave new world | Sep 19 18:08 |
| __martin__ | silicon valley's coders take nootropics | Sep 19 18:08 |
| msb__ | Some of them quite reliable -- military pilots, air traffic controllers, etc. | Sep 19 18:08 |
| __martin__ | meanwhile best dota players run on adderall | Sep 19 18:09 |
| MinceR | afaik the first flying saucer was a fake, and was admitted by the one[s?] who did it | Sep 19 18:09 |
| msb__ | The first one was described in the bibble. | Sep 19 18:09 |
| msb__ | 60ug of B12 under the tongue, plus a standard B100, is good for me. | Sep 19 18:10 |
| __martin__ | mince, how's e-id card in hu? | Sep 19 18:12 |
| msb__ | Cannabis is good too, when chosen and used properly. Many years ago I participated in a cannabis test at the SF Veterans Hospital, and smoked some atrocious NIH pot. Then I surprised the researchers by fixing their equipment during the experiment. | Sep 19 18:13 |
| __martin__ | here the schizophrenic state (pro-obama president, pro-putin pm) supports top 3 distros // and people already convert the deb package through alien into rpms | Sep 19 18:13 |
| MinceR | __martin__: dunno | Sep 19 18:14 |
| MinceR | my passport has an rfid chip in it, though | Sep 19 18:14 |
| msb__ | __martin__: Where are you? | Sep 19 18:14 |
| __martin__ | msb__: slovakia | Sep 19 18:15 |
| MinceR | __martin__: lol | Sep 19 18:15 |
| MinceR | they won't need to do that for long | Sep 19 18:15 |
| MinceR | debian is dead, it's probably a matter of years for them to move to rpm | Sep 19 18:15 |
| __martin__ | well, but bradley took them under the conservancy's wings | Sep 19 18:16 |
| MinceR | that doesn't cure their stupidity, does it? | Sep 19 18:18 |
| __martin__ | the thing is | Sep 19 18:19 |
| __martin__ | from my point of view | Sep 19 18:20 |
| *__martin__ was writing something longer | Sep 19 18:21 | |
| __martin__ | but to put it short.. we shall see how fsf reacts to the fact that linux-libre cannot be used neither with modern intel/amd/nvidia gpu | Sep 19 18:22 |
| MinceR | they don't care | Sep 19 18:23 |
| MinceR | the only thing they care about is that everybody must use FSF licenses | Sep 19 18:23 |
| msb__ | __martin__: What do you mean by linux-libre, and why can't it be used with modern gpus? | Sep 19 18:24 |
| msb__ | Are the gpu drivers systemd-dependant? | Sep 19 18:25 |
| MinceR | not yet, afaik | Sep 19 18:26 |
| MinceR | but i'm sure redcrap is working on that | Sep 19 18:26 |
| __martin__ | http://linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/releases/LATEST-4.N/deblob-4.2 | Sep 19 18:28 |
| __martin__ | but we have to look on it from much higher perspective | Sep 19 18:29 |
| __martin__ | when people embrace and cheer lizards like this one with open arms | Sep 19 18:29 |
| MinceR | that's an insult to lizards | Sep 19 18:30 |
| __martin__ | it's quite useless to link ordinary useds to stuff like this | Sep 19 18:30 |
| __martin__ | MinceR: you are right | Sep 19 18:30 |
| MinceR | humanity decided they don't want freedom, they want to be enslaved in a dictatorship and tormented to death | Sep 19 18:30 |
| __martin__ | even chameleon or gecko from suse logo is more sympathetic than satya with his son on a wheelchair | Sep 19 18:31 |
| MinceR | i'd rather call him asatya | Sep 19 18:31 |
| __martin__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=676&v=RLD0vL5sreQ | Sep 19 18:31 |
| MinceR | he certainly doesn't deal in truth | Sep 19 18:31 |
| msb__ | The conflict of Debian/RMS/FSF with binary-blob graphic drivers has always been with us. People work around it. | Sep 19 18:32 |
| MinceR | RMS/FSF supporting vendor lock-in is recent, though | Sep 19 18:32 |
| __martin__ | point me there please | Sep 19 18:32 |
| MinceR | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=123341 | Sep 19 18:34 |
| MinceR | the other stuff from RMS i'm not at liberty to share | Sep 19 18:34 |
| MinceR | see also the freenode/#fsf and freenode/#gnu channels | Sep 19 18:34 |
| MinceR | both are swarming with cancerd zealots | Sep 19 18:34 |
| __martin__ | to this i say | Sep 19 18:36 |
| MinceR | "I know it’s free software, so ethically speaking, it’s not an issue – it’s just a convenience question." | Sep 19 18:36 |
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| __martin__ | let's see if ruben and santiago go again with systemd in future trisquel release | Sep 19 18:36 |
| MinceR | apparently vendor lock-in, secret APIs and obfuscated code are "not an issue" | Sep 19 18:36 |
| MinceR | and software can be "free" even though it doesn't respect the user's freedom | Sep 19 18:36 |
| MinceR | just because it's licensed under a free software license | Sep 19 18:37 |
| MinceR | even though unlike the OSD, the FSD doesn't depend on licenses, it depends on freedoms: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html | Sep 19 18:37 |
| MinceR | maybe they should switch to supporting "open source" if the license is more important to them than the users' freedoms | Sep 19 18:37 |
| __martin__ | what if rms switch directly to guix systemd distro with dmd init | Sep 19 18:39 |
| __martin__ | s/switches | Sep 19 18:39 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter if he supports cancerd in words | Sep 19 18:39 |
| MinceR | s/if/as long as/ | Sep 19 18:40 |
| __martin__ | system* | Sep 19 18:40 |
| __martin__ | lol | Sep 19 18:40 |
| MinceR | i think cancerd is a more telling description | Sep 19 18:40 |
| MinceR | wow, firefox keeps getting worse | Sep 19 18:41 |
| MinceR | now it can't even remember correctly which page was open in a tab | Sep 19 18:41 |
| __martin__ | no i really think they will convince him to use one of the libreboot thinkpads with systemd & trisquel or w/o cancerd and guix | Sep 19 18:41 |
| __martin__ | but again | Sep 19 18:42 |
| __martin__ | fair enough point | Sep 19 18:42 |
| msb__ | RMS allowing systemd is not supporting vendor lockin. Unless all systemd distros are considered to come from a single vendor. In any case, no one is locked-in, since they can use devuan, BSD, etc. | Sep 19 18:42 |
| __martin__ | lgpl is on the edge of proprietarization | Sep 19 18:42 |
| MinceR | not "allowing", calling it "free software" even though it isn't | Sep 19 18:42 |
| MinceR | systemd itself comes from a single vendor: redcrap. | Sep 19 18:42 |
| MinceR | and the d-bus hole makes gpl a lot more like lgpl than it was before | Sep 19 18:43 |
| MinceR | also, gnome and kde already attempt to force the user to use cancerd | Sep 19 18:43 |
| MinceR | so do all wayland implementations, afaik | Sep 19 18:43 |
| __martin__ | seen in mailing lists the thread with xorg dependancy on libsystemd or sth | Sep 19 18:44 |
| msb__ | Use TrinityDE and X | Sep 19 18:44 |
| __martin__ | but there are even people with @hotmail suffix on devuan's lists | Sep 19 18:45 |
| __martin__ | .. | Sep 19 18:45 |
| __martin__ | so scam occurs from time to time | Sep 19 18:45 |
| __martin__ | what's android's init? | Sep 19 18:47 |
| MinceR | its own stuff | Sep 19 18:47 |
| __martin__ | just curious because tizen has cancerd already | Sep 19 18:47 |
| MinceR | cancerd too? | Sep 19 18:47 |
| __martin__ | yep | Sep 19 18:47 |
| MinceR | i knew they had kdbus but i didn't know they also had systemd | Sep 19 18:47 |
| __martin__ | https://www.tizen.org/blogs/tsg/2014/first-tizen-3.0-common-milestone-release | Sep 19 18:47 |
| __martin__ | year old article | Sep 19 18:47 |
| MinceR | thanks | Sep 19 18:48 |
| msb__ | xorg dependancy on libsystemd is here, and seems to be fixed: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/thread/20150917.201354.c43cf6d9.en.html | Sep 19 18:50 |
| __martin__ | schestowitz: https://i.imgur.com/94lT60P.png | Sep 19 19:11 |
| __martin__ | new media, new rules.. (lended that one from sixgun's linux-outlaws show motto) | Sep 19 19:11 |
| __martin__ | gn folks | Sep 19 19:11 |
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| DaemonFC | http://wane.com/2015/09/18/spider-scare-causes-bus-crash/ | Sep 19 19:31 |
| MinceR | another take on the "driverless car", i see | Sep 19 19:32 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Yeah, when you bail out over a spider. | Sep 19 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 19 19:51 |
| MinceR | i wonder what sort of spider it was | Sep 19 19:52 |
| MinceR | https://i.chzbgr.com/full/7216260352/h1EE02234/ | Sep 19 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | http://wane.com/2015/09/19/fire-reported-at-popular-downtown-bar/ | Sep 19 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | They used our pictures. | Sep 19 19:59 |
| MinceR | the fire should watch what it is doing. | Sep 19 20:00 |
| MinceR | we're on to it. | Sep 19 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | My boyfriend says don't go to Mexico because I'll get ransomed. | Sep 19 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | I said it reminds me of that scene on Farscape where Rygel says "Ransom me if you like, but the only thing you're going to get is me!". | Sep 19 20:02 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 19 20:03 |
| cubexyz | you have to love these emails: "Warning you are not protected by Norton. Update Now" | Sep 19 20:05 |
| MinceR | Update Now to keep not being protected by Norton! | Sep 19 20:05 |
| cubexyz | I don't even think it's from Symantec | Sep 19 20:05 |
| cubexyz | not that I've used anything from them in the last 15 years or so | Sep 19 20:06 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, My boyfriend would like to know what the Hungarian people think about the Syrian immigration thing. | Sep 19 21:15 |
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