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__martin__folksSep 13 00:19
__martin__any of you seen an episode from mr. robot?Sep 13 00:19
__martin__apparently they are mocking free society movementSep 13 00:19
XRevan86I only heard about mr. robot.Sep 13 00:20
__martin__series by nbcuniversal corpSep 13 00:20
__martin__XRevan86: what can you tell?Sep 13 00:20
XRevan86__martin__: I know nearly nothing about the series, only that some GNU social folks apparently like it.Sep 13 00:20
__martin__well then :)Sep 13 00:20
__martin__the empire fears free software indefinitelySep 13 00:21
__martin__take your pick https://popcorntime.io/ and watchSep 13 00:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-popcorntime.io | Popcorn Time - Watch movies and TV shows instantly!Sep 13 00:21
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msb__A friend bought me a bottle of "honey-mustard salad dressing".  The first ingredient is high-fructose corn syrup.  The seventh ingredient is honey.Sep 13 01:24
msb__It tastes like sugar and vinegar.  Barely any mustard.Sep 13 01:25
cubexyzsounds grossSep 13 01:30
MinceRsounds low-qualitySep 13 01:32
msb__Sure is!  Both.Sep 13 01:33
msb__Some kinds of HFCS even contain mercury,  from some electrolytic process, at least in the past.Sep 13 01:33
msb__For the honey, they probably had a bee sneeze on the tank-car.Sep 13 01:35
MinceR:)Sep 13 01:36
cubexyzwell you could try buying mustard, vingegar and sugar and mixing it together :)Sep 13 02:05
cubexyzor even just mustardSep 13 02:05
cubexyzI think everything changed in the late 1970sSep 13 02:10
cubexyzsugar became more expensive and HFCS replaced sugar in processed foodsSep 13 02:10
msb__There's an organic food store around here that delivers.  I'll see what they have.  There was a packet of honey-mustard in a package of smoked salmon that was absolutely wonderful.Sep 13 02:16
cubexyzI stopped buying cookies, candy bars, crackers etcSep 13 02:20
cubexyztoo much sugar/too much saltSep 13 02:20
msb__I get these "Endangered Species" chocolate bars.  My current favorite is cherry, with a puffin on it.  It's for medical purposes.  Chocolate is antiinflammatory, and I'm terribly inflamed.  8^)Sep 13 02:26
msb__Chocolate chip cookies are like heroin to me.  The whole box/bag goes in a day or less.  I can't buy them.Sep 13 02:29
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MinceRi'm pretty sure almost all food is organic :>Sep 13 03:17
MinceRexcept for the water and the saltSep 13 03:18
msb__Two different meanings of the word.  In chemistry, "organic" means made of CHONSP.  In nutrition, "organic" means congenial to living things.  For example glyphosate, the herbicide in much GMO "food", is chemically organic, but food containing it is not nutritionally organic, because it's toxic to mammals.Sep 13 03:33
MinceRi had the impression that "organic" simply means "contains carbon"Sep 13 03:37
msb__That's the simplified chemical definition.  The nutritional one is quite different.Sep 13 03:38
msb__Of course, nutritionally organic food must be chemically organic, and it also may contain various minerals, but not Hg, Al, F, As...Sep 13 03:40
msb__Nutritionally necessary minerals for people include Na, K, Mg, Ca, Cr, Mn, Cu, B, Se...Sep 13 03:45
msb__Actually, "nutritionally organic" generally means congenial to vertebrates, especially humans.  For example ammonia is pumped into some farm soil to serve as fertilizer for plants, but it's irritating to people and highly toxic to fish and amphibians.Sep 13 03:54
MinceRapparently even arsenic is essential to some animals: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenic#Essential_trace_element_in_higher_animalsSep 13 03:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Arsenic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nrnwu ]Sep 13 03:56
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/642983543921078272Sep 13 09:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz ... but still cooperates with #Microsoft (((Sep 13 09:58
schestowitzMinceR: I am going to be away for two weeks, I think you have ops in case some trolls show up and vandlaise the channelsSep 13 11:20
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MIIS_Cyber/status/643009123945058305   https://twitter.com/encycl/status/643009173689532416Sep 13 11:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MIIS_Cyber: @schestowitz @_PaulH93 flea market netbook + tails seems a better moveSep 13 11:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@encycl: @schestowitz That's never been tested, but DHS et al assert the border exception extends 100 mi in from the border.Sep 13 11:33
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/643009387716481025Sep 13 11:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: Thus…the #UnitedKingdom's #monarchy is as #evil as the #USA Empire #plutocracy? Both pretending to be 'democracies': https://t.co/ldvvn6ejYPSep 13 11:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: I am going to be away for two weeks, but cannot take my laptop anymore. Airport authorities can now DEMAND decryption keys at the border.Sep 13 11:34
schestowitzI think the precedent was in CanadaSep 13 11:34
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/BrettGarrot/status/643009599096922112Sep 13 11:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrettGarrot: Thus…the #UnitedKingdom's #monarchy is as #evil as the #USA Empire #plutocracy? Both pretending to be 'democracies… https://t.co/lj0mtCaniJSep 13 11:34
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/643013196601815040Sep 13 11:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SeaH2ONymph: #JamesClapper, director of national intelligence, talks nearly every day with head of #CENTCOM’s intel #StevenGrove https://t.co/1lYth0p8nQSep 13 11:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Who 'runs' the country? Generals and other spooky personnel or elected officials? One wonders: https://t.co/YaDPRXwO9YSep 13 11:52
schestowitz https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/643013313161367552  https://twitter.com/BrettGarrot/status/643013431797391360Sep 13 11:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: .@pmharper clings to power: #GetOutOfCanadaLyntonCrosby @AshCallingbull has called for 1st Nations to 'vote'him out https://t.co/K98fda63CMSep 13 11:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrettGarrot: Thus…the #UnitedKingdom's #monarchy is as #evil as the #USA Empire #plutocracy? Both pretending to be 'democracies… https://t.co/lj0mtCaniJSep 13 11:52
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/encycl/status/643017413475176449Sep 13 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@encycl: @schestowitz David S Cohen is Deputy Director.Sep 13 12:05
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schestowitz[12:54] <schestowitz> https://twitter.com/glynco/status/643027795870920708Sep 13 12:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynco: @schestowitz @Harrisonxjacobs agree...just as those disseminating false reports about al-Qa'ida and the CIA torture program should have.Sep 13 12:54
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/643027344517677056Sep 13 12:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Airport authorities have managed to take all joy away from the miracle of flight. Way to go.Sep 13 12:54
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FilmCriticOne/status/643028472424742913Sep 13 12:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FilmCriticOne: @schestowitz CIA should have been disbanded when is was OSS. They have caused more wars than the Bush family.Sep 13 12:55
MinceRschestowitz: okSep 13 13:19
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynco/status/643035601244192768Sep 13 13:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynco: @schestowitz @Harrisonxjacobs part of an orchestrated CIA coms strategy that continues today w the ghost writing of books & RebuttalSep 13 13:22
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schestowitzThey call it "information war", or "psychological warfare", helping to reinforce semi-truths or fiction, creating uncertainty a la climate changeSep 13 13:22
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynco/status/643037565914869761Sep 13 13:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynco: @schestowitz @Harrisonxjacobs also known as perception managementSep 13 13:25
schestowitzIn the PR industry, yes.... I wrote a lot about it in the context of the software industrySep 13 13:25
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynco/status/643037565914869761Sep 13 13:26
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msb__New documentary, packed full of detailed information:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqqelDq4P48Sep 13 17:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | 9/11: Decade of Deception (Full Film NEW 2015) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nruac ]Sep 13 17:46
MinceRhttps://startpage.com/do/metasearch.pl?q=germany%20suspends%20schengenSep 13 17:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-startpage.com | germany suspends schengen - Startpage Web Search [ http://ur1.ca/nrucr ]Sep 13 17:54
MinceRthe end of the EU?Sep 13 17:55
msb__It's certainly becoming less unified!  And of course its the US destruction of many nations in the Middle East and Africa that have caused all those refugees to flee for their lives.Sep 13 17:56
MinceRthere's more to it than thatSep 13 17:57
MinceRthe greek crisis, the hungarian dictatorshipSep 13 17:57
MinceRfundie takeover by the EPPSep 13 17:57
msb__EPP?Sep 13 17:57
MinceREuropean People's PartySep 13 17:57
MinceRcorruption resulting in EU institutions upholding foreign megacorporate interests instead of member state/citizen interestsSep 13 17:58
msb__But those problems aren't what the refugees are fleeing from.  However, I see that corporate corruption will certainly help the EU to disintegrate, as it does to everything else.Sep 13 17:59
msb__Interesting.  European People's Party is conservative (corporatist), but the term People's Party is generally used to denote socialists.  So it's deceptive.  Like "National Socialists" (Nazis).Sep 13 18:02
XRevan86msb__: Not the only ones.Sep 13 18:02
msb__In some ways, the entire world situation is degenerating.  Things are falling apart.  And it's all due to the "War on Terror", in which the terrorists -- Mujahideen, Al-Qaeda, ISIL -- are organized and armed by the US, Saudi Arabia, and Israel.  And the justification for the war was and is 9/11.  And who did 9/11?  Watch that video 9/11: Decade of Deception. Sep 13 18:06
msb__Organized ultra-wealthy and ultra-powerful psychopaths are slowly destroying the world.  Our only defense is broadcasting the truth, to as many people as possible, using the Internet and Linux.Sep 13 18:08
MinceRhandling the refugees is just yet another problemSep 13 18:09
MinceRalso, in europe, it seems to be common to use "people's party" to refer to christian fundie nazi partiesSep 13 18:09
MinceRlike kdnp in hungarySep 13 18:10
XRevan86People's Front for RussiaSep 13 18:10
msb__There is one great advantage that truth has over lies, not matter how many times the lies are repeated:  Truth is logically consistent, and is upheld by critical thinking.  Lies are not.Sep 13 18:10
XRevan86* All-Russia People's FrontSep 13 18:10
MinceRas for the war on terror, that's explainable with incompetence rather than maliceSep 13 18:10
MinceRusian attempts to establish democracy in places where the people, the culture are not ready for itSep 13 18:11
MinceR(similarly to hungary)Sep 13 18:11
msb__But the US did not actually do anything to establish democracy in those nations.  It attacked them, bombed them, and wrecked them.  That results in such fear and chaos that democracy is impossible.  Sep 13 18:12
MinceRat least in some places they ensured that elections took place, afaikSep 13 18:13
MinceRbut it obviously didn't work out in many (if not all) casesSep 13 18:13
msb__Maybe.  But if people are injured, and their friends and relatives are dead, and they can barely find enough food to survive, they aren't going to be able to do the research to find out whom they should vote for to achieve the best results.Sep 13 18:14
MinceRthey probably don't even know they shouldSep 13 18:16
msb__All they know is grief and trying to survive.  And being attacked by the warlords that have taken over after the US wrecked their nation.Sep 13 18:17
msb__Is the motivation greed?  Oil profits?  Weapons profits?  The destruction of all nations in the Middle East as desired by the Zionists of Israel?  Extension of US power?  The psychopathic desire to hurt and kill people?  Perhaps all of those.Sep 13 18:20
MinceRit could be benign, see aboveSep 13 18:21
msb__The US psychopaths have been doing these same things all throughout the 20th century, and now this one.  The results have always been bad for the people attacked, and good for the ultra-wealthy.  It's been done nearly 100 times, always with the same result.  To think that the intentions were good, but it just _accidently_ killed tens of millions of people and wrecked dozens of nations, is not a logically tenable idea.  How many times Sep 13 18:26
msb__do you have to be punched in the face before you decide that that person wants to hurt you?Sep 13 18:26
MinceRthat's not a good analogySep 13 18:27
msb__Then forget the analogy.  In every case, the ultra-wealthy killed the leaders that were helping the people, and installed leaders that controlled the people so that the ultra-wealthy could go in there and take the natural resources and use the controlled population as slave labor.  That's what they did EVERY TIME.  It was no accident any time.  Sep 13 18:30
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MinceRafaik they killed or deposed tyrantsSep 13 18:35
MinceRhoping to replace them with a democratic governmentSep 13 18:35
msb__That's what they _said_ they did.  That's what the CIA told all the corporate media to say they did.  But they and the CIA and the corporate media were all LYING.Sep 13 18:38
MinceRyou're assuming that only they lieSep 13 18:38
msb__No, I'm accessing facts that _prove_ they are lying.Sep 13 18:39
msb__Do you have a copy of _Killing Hope_ by William Blum?Sep 13 18:40
MinceRnoSep 13 18:40
msb__Well, here's his website and several others:  http://cosmicpenguin.com/#American_HolocaustSep 13 18:43
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msb__But I misread what you said.  Yes, I know that others lied too  -- Orban, Stalin...Sep 13 18:45
MinceRyour sources may have lied tooSep 13 18:45
msb__That's where critical thinking comes in.  Get information from many different sources, and see which is logically consistent and which is not.Sep 13 18:46
MinceRin cases like this, there's plenty of motivation for various parties to lieSep 13 18:46
MinceRhow does one find out who's lying and who (if anyone) is telling the truth?Sep 13 18:46
msb__That's where critical thinking comes in.  Get information from many different sources, and see which is logically consistent and which is not.Sep 13 18:46
MinceRhaving different sources say the same thing is not enoughSep 13 18:47
MinceRif it was, we'd all believe corporate media.Sep 13 18:47
msb__Correct.  _You_ have to employ logical reasoning, like the Law of Non-Contradiction, to the information yourself.  and you have to be  prepared to change your mind about things if your logical pursuits prove that some things you currently believe are false.  Sep 13 18:48
msb__That is critical thinking.  NOT "What you tell me three times is true", which is part of the Bernays method of brainwashing.Sep 13 18:50
MinceRsure, but if two groups of sources contradict each other, that won't tell you which group (if any) is telling the truthSep 13 18:51
msb__That's not the contradiction to look for.   You want to look for contradictions _within_ the information given by each group.  For example, if the US govt group always says it's trying to help people, but always ends up hurting people, that's a big fat contradiction.Sep 13 18:57
MinceRi've seen plenty of series of failed attempts from others tooSep 13 18:59
MinceRbut yes, if most/all sources in a group are internally inconsistent, that helps find out what's upSep 13 19:00
msb__Yes.  The US and Stalin and Orban are _all_ evil.Sep 13 19:01
MinceRand so's putinSep 13 19:02
MinceRit wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that all human groups are evilSep 13 19:03
msb__I know.  That's because your idea of human nature is erroneous.  I keep suggesting that you watch the Korten video and read The Chalice and the Blade to give you a much more accurate idea of human nature.Sep 13 19:05
msb__Humans are inherently good, but easily programmable, by trauma or lying propaganda, to be evil.Sep 13 19:07
msb__That's the truth that I've learned over my 70 years, from many different sources who never even heard of one another.  And it's consistent with observed events.Sep 13 19:08
schestowitzyou stipulate humans are not evilSep 13 19:08
schestowitzbut whose standards?Sep 13 19:08
schestowitzyou could say that about all animalsSep 13 19:08
schestowitzare sharks "evil"?Sep 13 19:08
schestowitzthe notion of good or evil or relativeSep 13 19:09
schestowitzsome people eat cockroaches, some think that eating beef is killed sacred animalSep 13 19:09
schestowitzcannibalism is even essential to some speciesSep 13 19:10
schestowitz[18:08] <msb__> Organized ultra-wealthy and ultra-powerful psychopaths are slowly destroying the world.  Our only defense is broadcasting the truth, to as many people as possible, using the Internet and Linux.Sep 13 19:10
schestowitzI'm all for itSep 13 19:10
schestowitzbut you don't broadcase the truthSep 13 19:11
schestowitzyou broadcast what you deem suitable for a narrative wherein the US is the moral equivalent of Nazis GermanySep 13 19:11
msb__First of all, the idea of "evil" is only meaningful in regard to humans, and others with thinking minds, possibly bonobos.Sep 13 19:11
schestowitzand Russia is some kind of benign powerSep 13 19:11
schestowitzdespite all that was done before Hitler even rose to powerSep 13 19:11
schestowitzI am a lot more afraid of Russia than I am of the USSep 13 19:12
schestowitzEven if I was Arab I think it would be the caseSep 13 19:12
schestowitzWatch how Russia treats its Muslim citizens and neighboursSep 13 19:12
schestowitzthey're evil, they express themselves differently and has different propaganda and public enchantment dissemination tacticsSep 13 19:13
msb__And yet the US has wrecked at least 5 nations since 2001, and Russia has not wrecked any.Sep 13 19:13
schestowitzI think that some ancestors from my grandma's site escaped Russia a long time ago, maybe hundreds of years, and people STILL escape Russia if they canSep 13 19:14
schestowitzRussia didn't wreck nations?Sep 13 19:14
MinceRrecently russia has wrecked georgia and ukraine, possibly also belarusSep 13 19:14
schestowitzMinceR: tell himSep 13 19:14
msb__The US has murdered more than two million people since 2001.Sep 13 19:14
schestowitzBulgaria, Hungary, the whole eastern blocSep 13 19:14
MinceRthey have sights on the baltic countriesSep 13 19:14
schestowitzthey turned to s***Sep 13 19:14
MinceRbefore 1990, russia wrecked the entire eastern blocSep 13 19:14
schestowitzSo that Moscow can relish in power and fameSep 13 19:14
MinceRcurrently putin is supporting hungarian nazis, including jobbikSep 13 19:15
msb__Russia annexed a small part of Ukraine that requested it.  It did not wreck Ukraine.Sep 13 19:15
MinceRbela kovacs was one of their agentsSep 13 19:15
schestowitzjobbik won't possible play ball with the US, maybe not even NATOSep 13 19:15
MinceRno, that part did not request to be annexedSep 13 19:15
schestowitzmaybe can secede from EUSep 13 19:15
schestowitzbased on what the Greek Nazis want to doSep 13 19:15
msb__Yes Russia was evil 50 years ago.  It is not acting that way now.Sep 13 19:16
MinceRa fake referendum acted out with no credibility attempted to make it seem like they requested itSep 13 19:16
MinceRactually, the behavior of russia changed little since 1980Sep 13 19:16
schestowitz[19:15] <msb__> Russia annexed a small part of Ukraine that requested it.  It did not wreck Ukraine.Sep 13 19:16
schestowitzIt did further up northSep 13 19:16
schestowitzcomplete chaos thereSep 13 19:16
MinceRindeedSep 13 19:16
schestowitzand it wants to guard its bordersSep 13 19:16
MinceReastern ukraine is a wreckSep 13 19:16
MinceRand i doubt western ukraine is doing much betterSep 13 19:16
schestowitzbecause it cannot tolerate much EU at its doorstepSep 13 19:16
MinceRif anything, russia's behavior is even worse nowSep 13 19:17
schestowitzthey're connected, and tourism will sufferSep 13 19:17
MinceRas the ussr only used nukes to ensure they don't get nuked themselvesSep 13 19:17
schestowitzUkraine lost a nice airportSep 13 19:17
MinceRwhile putin is saber-rattling themSep 13 19:17
MinceRand reducing the standards for using themSep 13 19:17
msb__The people further up north begged Putin to annex their territory also, but he refused.  700,000 refugees have fled from Ukraine to Russia since the US-Nazi regime took over.Sep 13 19:17
schestowitzthey were not ay mortal dangerSep 13 19:17
schestowitzmaybe economic refugees (Crimea)Sep 13 19:18
msb__The two of you are double-teaming me, and so rapidly that I can't respond.Sep 13 19:18
schestowitzwhat put them at mortal danger was Russian invaders with snipers includedSep 13 19:18
MinceRall this was discussed beforeSep 13 19:18
schestowitzIt's a Turf WarSep 13 19:18
schestowitzSame in SyriaSep 13 19:18
msb__Roy, there's a question I've been wanting to ask you.  Have you worked in facial-recognition software?Sep 13 19:18
schestowitzSyria, IIRC, might even share some border with RS at the north eastSep 13 19:19
schestowitzdidn't checkSep 13 19:19
schestowitzoh, waitSep 13 19:19
schestowitzgeorgiaSep 13 19:19
schestowitzand also armenia would be thereSep 13 19:19
schestowitzamong other neighbours of turkeySep 13 19:19
schestowitzmsb__: no, face verificationSep 13 19:20
msb__What's the difference?Sep 13 19:20
schestowitzlike airport stuff where you need to check a person is who s/he claims to beSep 13 19:20
schestowitzit's a one-to-one matching problemSep 13 19:20
schestowitzvery essential to avoid identity thirdSep 13 19:20
msb__Does the government use the results of your work?Sep 13 19:20
schestowitz*theftSep 13 19:20
schestowitzlike a person flying under the identity of another person's passportSep 13 19:21
schestowitzNo, but the EPC funded itSep 13 19:21
msb__EPC?Sep 13 19:21
schestowitzyou need to see what Texas Uni and NIST/DARPA doSep 13 19:21
msb__EPC?Sep 13 19:22
schestowitzthey take this into the military type domainSep 13 19:22
schestowitzYesSep 13 19:22
msb__What is EPC?Sep 13 19:22
schestowitzERC sorrySep 13 19:22
schestowitz!google ERC researchSep 13 19:22
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - ERC: European Research Council | http://erc.europa.eu/Sep 13 19:22
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Funding and Grants | ERC: European Research Council | http://erc.europa.eu/funding-and-grantsSep 13 19:22
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - European Research Council - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Research_CouncilSep 13 19:22
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Engineering Research Centers | NSF - National Science Foundation | http://www.nsf.gov/funding/pgm_summ.jsp%3Fpims_id%3D5502Sep 13 19:22
schestowitzWatch what they fundSep 13 19:24
msb__So if a whistleblower like Snowden or Assange was trying to escape persecution/prosecution by travellling undercover, such software would prevent it.Sep 13 19:24
schestowitzI was previously funded by EPSRCSep 13 19:25
schestowitzfor medical thingsSep 13 19:25
MinceRonly if they used a fake passport with the wrong photo or something like thatSep 13 19:25
MinceRnotice that it's one-to-oneSep 13 19:25
schestowitzwhat do you mean by "travellling undercover", using another person's passport?Sep 13 19:25
MinceRsomething like thatSep 13 19:25
schestowitzSomeone who looks similar?Sep 13 19:25
schestowitz!google chengen airport wikileaksSep 13 19:25
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - CIA Travel Advice To Operatives - WikiLeaks | https://wikileaks.org/cia-travel/Sep 13 19:25
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - CIA Travel Advice to Operatives - Press Release - WikiLeaks | https://wikileaks.org/cia-travel/press-release.htmlSep 13 19:25
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - CIA Assessment on Surviving Secondary Screening ... - WikiLeaks | https://wikileaks.org/cia-travel/secondary-screening/page-1.htmlSep 13 19:25
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - CIA Assessment on Surviving Secondary Screening at ... - WikiLeaks | https://wikileaks.org/cia-travel/secondary-screening/WikiLeaks_CIA_Assessment_on_Surviving_Secondary_Screening.pdfSep 13 19:25
MinceRoh, msb__ might have meant something differentSep 13 19:25
schestowitzI wouldn't accept working on surveillance thingsSep 13 19:26
schestowitzit's unethicalSep 13 19:26
schestowitzThere are many computer vision applicationsSep 13 19:27
msb__It could catch both terrorists and heroes.Sep 13 19:27
schestowitzfor biologySep 13 19:27
schestowitzbiometrics versus medical scansSep 13 19:27
schestowitzone potentially evilSep 13 19:27
schestowitzthe other saving lifesSep 13 19:27
schestowitzin the case of cars, collision prevention vs faceplate scannersSep 13 19:28
schestowitzso it's unwise to lump it all togetherSep 13 19:28
schestowitzsome machine vision staff is used in factoriesSep 13 19:28
schestowitznot to spy on workers like in AmazonSep 13 19:28
schestowitzbut to inspect the manufactured items, like foods... reject defectsSep 13 19:28
msb__OK, I guess you're off the hook.Sep 13 19:29
schestowitzLOL "off the hook"Sep 13 19:31
schestowitzThank you, Mister brennanSep 13 19:31
msb__Brennan?Sep 13 19:32
schestowitzJohnSep 13 19:32
schestowitzThe one unethical thing about those things is that they reduce the number of physical jobsSep 13 19:32
schestowitzWhich can be spun as a negative thing by Luddites, or if the machines do a poor job at itSep 13 19:32
schestowitzsometimes they just complement a human and make detection of atrophies/defects more preciseSep 13 19:33
schestowitzBut it yields higher output, lowers prices, and make products more reliable (per cost or in general)Sep 13 19:33
msb__Technology in general is reducing the number of jobs, and capitalism can't deal with it.  Sep 13 19:34
msb__What should be benefitting mankind is causing poverty and austerity.Sep 13 19:34
schestowitz[19:29] <msb__> OK, I guess you're off the hook.Sep 13 19:34
schestowitzIt just implied, shallowly, that you attempted character assassination but failedSep 13 19:34
msb__No, I asked, I did not assert.Sep 13 19:35
msb__I still don't know who John Brennan is.  There are too many of them.Sep 13 19:35
schestowitzSo you complain a lot about the CIASep 13 19:36
schestowitzBut you don't know who has been heading it for yearsSep 13 19:36
schestowitzDespite him being in the headline every hour of the day, due to drones, torture, WoT, etc.Sep 13 19:37
schestowitzThere is also another Brennan in the white house (no relation)Sep 13 19:37
schestowitzThere's the Brennan InstituteSep 13 19:37
schestowitz!google Brennan Institute hawkSep 13 19:37
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Brennan Center for Justice | http://www.brennancenter.org/Sep 13 19:37
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Employment | Brennan Center for Justice | https://www.brennancenter.org/employmentSep 13 19:37
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - school-bio_stjs-the-hawk - Saint Joseph's University - Official ... | http://www.sjuhawks.com/ViewArticle.dbml%3FATCLID%3D208883426Sep 13 19:37
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - This Is Change? 20 Hawks, Clintonites and Neocons to Watch for in ... | http://www.alternet.org/story/107666/this_is_change_20_hawks,_clintonites_and_neocons_to_watch_for_in_obama%27s_white_houseSep 13 19:37
schestowitzalso no relationSep 13 19:37
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msb__Do you think the CIA does good?  Saying that I "complain" about it seems to imply that.Sep 13 19:38
msb__Wow!  Roy said that the 700,000 refugees fled from Ukraine to Russia because they were in danger from Russian invaders of Ukraine.  Does anyone see a logical contradiction there?Sep 13 19:49
msb__Would one flee _into_ the country that was the source of danger one was fleeing from?Sep 13 19:50
msb__But, our Fearless Leader is gone now.  Have the two weeks begun?  Are you now in charge, MinceR?Sep 13 19:52
msb__Our fear that communism might someday take over most of the world blinds us to the fact that anti-communism already has. -- Michael ParentiSep 13 19:58
msb__From the second edition of Killing Hope.Sep 13 19:58
msb__wowie!  Killing Hope can be downloaded from here:  https://pdf.yt/d/y_8iHigC3Ms5TngF   Download link is on the right.Sep 13 20:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pdf.yt | View BLUM killing hope.pdf - PDFy - Instant PDF HostSep 13 20:12
msb__But the one in the naughty place has a live table of contents.  Sep 13 20:14
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/643315645057118208Sep 14 08:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz then discuss, instead of belittling.Sep 14 08:44
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cubexyzmsb__, have you seen the video that casts doubt that a plane hit the pentagon?Sep 14 10:11
cubexyzsays there's no plane parts visibleSep 14 10:11
cubexyzstrange stuffSep 14 10:11
msb__cubexyz:  There are various videos like that.  They're part of a concerted disinfo effort.Sep 14 10:13
msb__http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/disinfo.htmlSep 14 10:14
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cubexyzok someone sent me a URL of the media saying there were no plane parts foundSep 14 10:15
cubexyzthen I saw this:Sep 14 10:15
cubexyzhttps://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/2010/09/23/how-we-know-an-airliner-did-not-hit-the-pentagon/ Sep 14 10:15
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msb__It shows every sign of being government-based, to make the 911 research seem ridiculous.Sep 14 10:15
msb__Oh, sorry, I was thinking of the WTC.  The Pentagon is a different story, because there are no good videos showing the plane hitting.Sep 14 10:17
cubexyzdoes this look like a plane hit the pentagon:Sep 14 10:18
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/pentagon-9-11.jpgSep 14 10:19
cubexyzshouldn't there be more debris?Sep 14 10:19
msb__Probably.  But that's after the fire, it's hard to tell.Sep 14 10:21
msb__The pentagon was certainly hit by something, but it may have been a missile.Sep 14 10:21
msb__The round exit hole in the inner wall of the outer ring looks like it was made by a ring of det-cord.Sep 14 10:22
msb__Airliner seats are very tough, and someone who went into the pentagon very soon after the event found no seats.Sep 14 10:23
cubexyzthat's just weirdSep 14 10:23
msb__There was a 757 flying toward the Pentagon, but it could have flown over and landed at a nearby airport, or out and crashed into the sea.Sep 14 10:24
cubexyzthere should be pictures of lots of airplane chunks all over the placeSep 14 10:24
msb__I've always agreed with that, but recently a researcher contacted me with an article that he says proved a plane hit it.  I'll see if I can find it.Sep 14 10:26
cubexyz2001, I think digital cameras were common enoughSep 14 10:26
msb__Yes, but unless someone thought to use them...Sep 14 10:26
msb__There were only one or two videos of the first WTC tower getting hit, and they were taken by accident.Sep 14 10:27
cubexyzit seems impossible there would be no pictures at all of plane debrisSep 14 10:27
msb__There were about 40 of the second tower being hit.Sep 14 10:27
msb__The lack of debris is a big problem.Sep 14 10:28
msb__Also, I think I have a picture of vertical columns that were blown outward.  I'll see if I can find it.Sep 14 10:29
msb__http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/pentagon/images/no_engine_hit_between__16and17.jpgSep 14 10:33
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/9-11-cnn.mkvSep 14 10:34
msb__Underneath the label "breached limestone" there are what look like two vertical columns hanging from their tops, and blown outward.Sep 14 10:35
cubexyzwhat is the significance of that?Sep 14 10:36
msb__Of what, your video or my picture?Sep 14 10:38
msb__hello?Sep 14 10:39
cubexyzthe two vertical columnsSep 14 10:39
cubexyzthe jpeg Sep 14 10:39
msb__I think it shows that there was an explosion inside the building.Sep 14 10:40
msb__And regarding the lack of debris, while airliners have a thin aluminum-allow skin that may disintegrate into small bits, they also have very strong alloy or steel structural members that should survive a crash and be visible.Sep 14 10:41
msb__allow->alloySep 14 10:41
msb__IIRC these are at least an inch thick.Sep 14 10:42
msb__Both the wings and the fuselage have them.Sep 14 10:42
msb__OK, here's the website the other researcher told me about.  I haven't looked at the articles yet.Sep 14 10:45
msb__As to witnesses, some say they saw the 757 hit and they saw its windows.  I think at 500mph that if they were close enough to see the small windows, the angular velocity of the image would have been too great to see the small windows.  And if they were far enough away that the angular velocity across their field of vision was not that great, the windows would have been too far away to see.Sep 14 11:02
msb__There's a photo on page 6 of this article showing columns bent to the left by something travelling from right to left.  Sep 14 11:06
msb__A theory that would account for those columns and the bent-outward ones in my picture would be a missile with an explosive warhead that detonated maybe 20 feet inside the building.Sep 14 11:08
msb__I read the first and last articles on that page, and their arguments for a 757 seem mostly inferential and involving room for doubt.Sep 14 11:10
msb__So basically my position is screw the Pentagon, the evidence of explosive demolition of WTC1,2 and 7 is irrefutable, and proves that the US govt did it, because nobody else had sufficient access to those buildings.Sep 14 11:12
msb__still there?Sep 14 11:12
cubexyzyes, just had to take out the recyclingSep 14 11:13
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msb__http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2006/flight77-1.mpg  That video, supposedly from a pentagon surveillance camera, shows a white cylindrical object approaching the building at the right edge of the screen around  87 seconds in.  I thought to compare its height with the height of the building, but it's hard to tell how far it is from the camera.Sep 14 11:32
msb__OK, play that video with mplayer from 87.1 seconds, when the thing appears to 88.0 seconds, when a very bright white fireball appears.   With contrast and brightness turned down, the fireball appears at a place on the building where it is about .75inch high.Sep 14 12:00
msb__The object is 0.1inch high.  The P is 77ft high, and a 757about 12 ft high.  So the object height is approximately equal to the height of a 757, 1/7th the height of the building.Sep 14 12:02
msb__still there?Sep 14 12:02
MinceRhttps://twitter.com/50NerdsofGrey/status/640985632941064192Sep 14 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@50NerdsofGrey: 'I've been a very bad girl,' she said, biting her lip. 'I need to be punished.' 'Very well,' he said and installed Windows 10 on her laptop.Sep 14 12:05
cubexyzyou know what windows error message I really hated?Sep 14 12:09
cubexyzIRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUALSep 14 12:09
XRevan86cubexyz: Every single one?Sep 14 12:10
cubexyzhaSep 14 12:10
cubexyzI don't run personally but I still have to deal with customers that doSep 14 12:10
msb__I thought it would be "Windows installed successfully"Sep 14 12:10
cubexyzI'm a true Unix man :)Sep 14 12:11
cubexyzbut you know, customers...Sep 14 12:11
cubexyzwindows is still the same old crapSep 14 12:12
cubexyzBSODs and all thatSep 14 12:12
cubexyzXenix didn't BSODSep 14 12:14
cubexyzyou would think more people would welcome Linux/BSD for that reasonSep 14 12:15
cubexyzat least some of my customers use chromebooks nowSep 14 12:15
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msb__cubexyz: Hello?Sep 14 17:05
MinceRhttp://shevegen.square7.ch/screenshot.pngSep 14 17:05
MinceRoopsSep 14 17:05
MinceRhttp://existentialcomics.com/comic/98Sep 14 17:05
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MinceRthis is the one i meant to pasteSep 14 17:05
msb__Oh help!  My mind is trying to figure out the Russell Paradox and it's using all my compute power!Sep 14 17:12
msb__gngngngngnSep 14 17:12
MinceRlolSep 14 17:13
msb__Fortunately I have a beard and don't have to shave myself!Sep 14 17:13
msb__There's another weird thing in set theory -- the Axiom of Choice:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiom_of_choiceSep 14 17:19
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msb__...which is equivalent to various other assertions, but can't be proven.  Sep 14 17:20
MinceR:)Sep 14 17:20
msb__It can make you emulate that John Cleese character in Monty Python by tying a handkerchief around your head and saying, "My brain  hurts!"Sep 14 17:21
MinceRit'll have to come out!Sep 14 17:22
MinceRall the bits of it.Sep 14 17:22
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msb__In other news, cubexyz, you asked about what hit the Pentagon, and I researched a bunch of stuff and actually committed photogrammetry for you (which is considered a mortal sin in some countries) on a video, which, with a very uncertain assumption seems to indicate that what hit was of a diameter that matched a 757, but there was a high-explosive detonation at the moment it hit (the hydrocarbon fire came a moment later), which is Sep 14 17:26
msb__certainly not characteristic of 757s.Sep 14 17:26
msb__MinceR: Wow, I don't remember that episode.  But here it is:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M68GeL8PafESep 14 17:36
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msb__Youtube is so slow for me these days that I have to download any video to watch it.  Otherwise the video freezes while the audio continues.Sep 14 17:37
MinceRi usually download anyway, but last time i watched something online it was fineSep 14 18:00
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cubexyzI'm starting to think a keyboard with a trackball built-in may be the best way to use a computerSep 15 03:40
cubexyzleast travel moving your armSep 15 03:41
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msb__cubexyz: The trackball can be located adjacent to the keyboard (with only enough space to avoid pushing the left button).  I looked at several and found this one the best.  It's easy to clean -- just lift the ball out and wipe the dust off the three contact points with a kleenex.  Cheap too, $30, and lasts for many years.Sep 15 03:58
cubexyzwhich one is that?Sep 15 04:00
msb__It's photoelectric, so nothing can break, except maybe the cable where it enters the thing, and that you could mend.  Oops, sorry  https://secure.logitech.com/en-us/product/trackman-marbleSep 15 04:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-secure.logitech.com | Logitech - Trackman Marble Trackball [ http://ur1.ca/nqosz ]Sep 15 04:01
cubexyzI was thinking the trackball could be put just under the space bar so you could use your thumb to easily move the pointerSep 15 04:01
msb__But you need to push the buttons, too, although I guess you could assign key combinations for those.Sep 15 04:02
cubexyzkeytronic has one like thatSep 15 04:03
msb__photo pleaseSep 15 04:04
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msb__I think the large ball of the trackman gives easier positioning than a small ball.  and button pushing is often done in conjunction with pointer movement.Sep 15 04:06
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/keytronic-trackball-keyboard.jpgSep 15 04:07
msb__I  don't think that has quite enough keys in the adjacent keypad, so you might have to move your hand to the far-right one.  But maybe not.Sep 15 04:09
msb__I use my thumb and first two fingers on the ball.  Get much better control than with thumb alone,Sep 15 04:10
cubexyzplus if you put that keyboard in your lap the trackball would be sticking into your bellySep 15 04:10
msb__Logitech also makes at least one asymmetric trackball.  Didn't like it,Sep 15 04:11
cubexyzhow about a mouse with cursor keys?Sep 15 04:11
msb__Mice require too much desk space.Sep 15 04:13
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/mouse-with-lots-of-buttons.pngSep 15 04:14
msb__Also, I enjoy fondling a giant one-eyed alien slug.Sep 15 04:14
msb__Silly, I say.  Why not just put wheels on your keyboard?Sep 15 04:15
cubexyzI think alt-left, alt-right would cover that anywaySep 15 04:19
msb__You can also put a pattern of 16x16 squares on the screen, flashing in, I think, Gray code, and pick up the EEG signal from the back of your skull.Sep 15 04:19
msb__It can tell which square you're looking at.Sep 15 04:19
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msb__For a two-button gizmo, you put a few lines in the X config to synthesize the middle button by pushing both at the same time.  Works very well.Sep 15 04:23
msb__Logitech is a great company -- very nice people.Sep 15 04:25
msb__OT:  A friend discovered frozen dark sweet cherries in the supermarket.  Wonderful, and only 4 or 5 USD per pound.  I eat them frozen.Sep 15 04:26
XFaCEcubexyz: https://torrentfreak.com/intellectual-property-why-words-matter-in-the-copyright-debate-150913/Sep 15 04:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-torrentfreak.com | Intellectual Property? Why Words Matter In The Copyright Debate - TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/nsbxn ]Sep 15 04:27
cubexyzstallman doesn't like the term 'intellectual property'Sep 15 04:31
cubexyzI'm not thrilled with it eitherSep 15 04:31
XFaCEcubexyz: that's the point of the article :PSep 15 04:32
msb__WOW!  Falkvinge is the anti-Bernays!  That is a great article!Sep 15 04:32
cubexyzwell I expect a guy writing on torrentreak.com to be like that :)Sep 15 04:32
cubexyztorrentfreak.comSep 15 04:33
cubexyzbut my problem with copyright was the overreachSep 15 04:33
cubexyz90 years or whatever it is nowSep 15 04:33
cubexyzit's just way too longSep 15 04:33
cubexyzdisney copies the Brothers Grimm, but no one can copy DisneySep 15 04:34
cubexyzit's stupidSep 15 04:34
cubexyzof course it's protectismSep 15 04:35
cubexyz"what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine"Sep 15 04:35
cubexyzMicrosoft is like that tooSep 15 04:35
msb__Also, poor people need entertainment as much as rich ones, but they can't afford it.Sep 15 04:36
cubexyzjust go back to the copyright act of 1790Sep 15 04:38
msb__David Korten makes the same point about framing, but applies it to the structure of our entire society, in the great one-hour video:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPiZJ5N9TkYSep 15 04:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | David Korten - The Great Turning - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/grbde ]Sep 15 04:38
cubexyzproblem fixedSep 15 04:38
cubexyza term of 14 years, then it's in the public domainSep 15 04:39
cubexyzpoor people can download tons of stuff for freeSep 15 04:39
msb__IllegallySep 15 04:39
cubexyznot if they went back to a term of 14 yearsSep 15 04:40
cubexyzthat's what I'm sayingSep 15 04:40
cubexyzseems reasonableSep 15 04:40
cubexyzit was originally 14 years, and renewable _once_ by the living authors for another 14 yearsSep 15 04:41
cubexyzof course Dickens was ripped off (so to speak)Sep 15 04:42
cubexyzthere was no international copyright until 1891Sep 15 04:42
cubexyzCTEA was passed and now there's ridiculously long copyright termsSep 15 04:46
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DaemonFChttp://wishtv.com/2015/09/11/social-media-post-leads-to-2-arrests-drug-bust-seizure-of-guns/Sep 15 05:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wishtv.com | Social media post leads to 2 arrests, drug bust, seizure of guns | WISH-TV [ http://ur1.ca/nscka ]Sep 15 05:42
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cubexyzI don't understand Ken Starks going on about windows 10 Sep 15 06:16
cubexyzFOSS people need to talk about FOSS not windows 10Sep 15 06:17
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cubexyzchromebooks are a good way to get people off windowsSep 15 06:18
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MinceRhttps://i.imgur.com/uouetAb.jpgSep 15 15:50
cubexyzboooSep 15 15:51
MinceR:)Sep 15 15:51
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DaemonFCI got a letter inviting me to intern with Indiana House Republicans.Sep 15 17:14
DaemonFC I sent them back a picture of a minion and the word "BOSS!"Sep 15 17:14
MinceR:)Sep 15 17:15
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DaemonFCI'm going to try to put a rush on getting my driver's license updated after I move to Fort Wayne so that I can register to vote there.Sep 15 18:28
DaemonFCI'm going canvassing for Mayor Henry on Saturday.Sep 15 18:28
DaemonFCI'd like to see the Democrats get the city council back. I've been discussing a few ideas with some of the candidates for the council, such as passing an ordinance restoring city employee collective bargaining, and a local common construction wage law since the state repealed the state one, and a Unigov project for Fort Wayne/Allen County to combine and reduce inefficiency, like Indianapolis did.Sep 15 18:30
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XFaCE[01:16:06]<cubexyz> I don't understand Ken Starks going on about windows 10 Sep 16 00:06
XFaCEwho is ken starks and why do we care?Sep 16 00:06
DaemonFCWho is John Galt?Sep 16 00:08
MinceR:>Sep 16 00:11
DaemonFChttp://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/09/15/tides-new-commercial-hilariously-mocks-kim-davis-and-anti-gay-bigots-everywhere-video/Sep 16 00:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.addictinginfo.org | Addicting Info – Tide’s New Commercial Hilariously Mocks Kim Davis And Anti-Gay Bigots Everywhere (VIDEO) [ http://ur1.ca/nsml8 ]Sep 16 00:24
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msb__Here it is.  Not actually from P&G "the spot is actually spec work from Tiny Giant director Mark Nickelsburg"    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn4WhWo11pgSep 16 01:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Tide To Go | Gay Marriage Ad - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nsmwy ]Sep 16 01:00
msb__Again had to download it to see the whole thing.Sep 16 01:02
msb__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSSNQv_nPTE  Actual Canadian gay Tide CommercialSep 16 01:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Gay Tide commercial - Canadian commercial 2014/15 - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nsmz3 ]Sep 16 01:06
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msb__Wonderful documentary about how Obama and Western media lied about Gaddafi and then murdered him and destr-yed his country, because he was trying to move oil payments away from US dollars and to gold.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COdKmHkPoOo Sep 16 01:54
msb__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COdKmHkPoOoSep 16 01:54
msb__bot?   Again, download using youtube-dl in order to see it.Sep 16 01:55
msb__Includes videos of enormous pro-Gaddafi demonstrations.Sep 16 01:56
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DaemonFCmsb__, I'm going to go to the Q&A session for a candidate for Fort Wayne city council.Sep 16 02:57
msb__DaemonFC: What are you going to Q them about?Sep 16 02:58
DaemonFCI plan to ask what her feelings are about restoring the Common Construction Wage for Fort Wayne since the state law was repealed, and if she plans to give city workers the ability to collectively bargain, which was taken away last year by the Republicans.Sep 16 02:58
msb__Sounds good!Sep 16 02:58
DaemonFCIf the Democrats can get the two Republican At-Large seats, they will control the city council 5-4.Sep 16 02:58
DaemonFCI they can get one, it'll be 5 Republicans and 4 Democrats, but they'll be able to stop the Republicans from overriding Mayor Henry's vetoes at least.Sep 16 02:59
msb__Great if the Dems actually stand up for the interests of labor and people in general.Sep 16 03:00
DaemonFCI'm also going to ask if something can be done to let Fort Wayne annex all of the surrounding county so that the rich and upper middle class have to pay city taxes, and if not, then if she would support billing them for the city services (police, fire and rescue, etc.) that they use but currently aren't paying for.Sep 16 03:00
DaemonFCOr taking them away and letting them figure out something to do themselves. I doubt they're going to want to go without police and fire and rescue. :PSep 16 03:01
DaemonFCmsb__, I keep calling out there and getting Republicans.Sep 16 03:02
DaemonFCI don't want to argue, so I just tell them to have a nice day and then I hang up. :PSep 16 03:03
DaemonFCmsb__, It really pissed me off that there are city councilmen making almost $100,000 a year off of taxpayers who voted to stop the guy who's out there filling potholes from making more than $30,000 a year.Sep 16 03:06
msb__I can't figure out the motivation for being a Repug, unless it's the right to own a gun, which I support.  If they think they're going to reduce their taxes, and idiotically don't want to stop all the US-initiated wars, I guess they want to inflict austerity on the American people, which is going to make the US a scary place to live, even for them.Sep 16 03:06
DaemonFCIt already is heading that way.Sep 16 03:07
msb__Yep.  Inflation and increasing food prices.Sep 16 03:07
DaemonFCYeah. You get paid in deflated dollars that buy less every year.Sep 16 03:07
DaemonFCIt allows the rich to have all of the buying power.Sep 16 03:08
msb__Bernie Sanders is leading Libya-killer Hillary Clinton by double digits in the first two Dem primary states.Sep 16 03:08
DaemonFCYeah, but he's really going to have to overperform. Sep 16 03:09
DaemonFCThe establishment has a lot of superdelegates.Sep 16 03:09
msb__Clinton super-PAC is linking Sanders with Communists.Sep 16 03:10
cubexyzbring out the bogeymanSep 16 03:10
DaemonFCWell, the superdelegates can vote for anyone.Sep 16 03:10
DaemonFCDoesn't matter how the primary election goes.Sep 16 03:10
msb__RT is the best place to see good American journalists.  They don't get on American TV.Sep 16 03:11
DaemonFCSo only like 80% of the delegates have to vote the way the primary went. Something like that.Sep 16 03:11
msb__Yikes!  Another layer between the people and govt power.Sep 16 03:11
msb__DaemonFC: How are the superdelegates chosen?Sep 16 03:20
DaemonFCmsb__, Most are party officials.Sep 16 03:28
DaemonFCLike sitting Senators and Representatives in Congress.Sep 16 03:28
msb__Which mostly got elected by money.Sep 16 03:29
DaemonFCYeah.Sep 16 03:31
DaemonFCIt's important to get them on your side if you want to be nominated.Sep 16 03:32
DaemonFCThe Republicans have a more extreme version of that.Sep 16 03:32
DaemonFCMore states where the party decides and there is no primary.Sep 16 03:32
DaemonFCThey can also change the votes of delegates.Sep 16 03:33
DaemonFCThey changes all of Ron Paul's delegates to votes for Mitt Romney.Sep 16 03:33
msb__Bernie Sanders is talking about wealth inequality being a fundamental moral issue, even to evangelicals at Liberty University.Sep 16 03:34
DaemonFCIt makes sense. Even some of them are persuadable.Sep 16 03:34
DaemonFCSome are only there because its what their parents would pay for.Sep 16 03:35
msb__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TvfBxIkupA  Wonderful song!  Jesus as a Socialist.Sep 16 03:38
cubexyzsocialism is a good thingSep 16 03:39
cubexyznot sure why the American politicians think it's a dirty wordSep 16 03:39
msb__Simple.  American politicians are chosen by big money.  Big money comes from corporate profits, which mostly go to rich owners; much less to working people.  If socialism is set up correctly, businesses are controlled by their workers, who get the profits.  Under socialism the wealthy owners would lose their exploitive income.  That's why the US attacked Russia right after the revolution, and then wealthy Americans provided 75% of Sep 16 03:43
msb__Hitler's financing.Sep 16 03:43
msb__Then the US spent the entire post-WW2 years of the 20th century attacking socialist nations and leaders.  It's all money-driven.Sep 16 03:44
msb__http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_Nazis       http://cosmicpenguin.com/#American_HolocaustSep 16 03:46
msb__cubexyz: see above.  In this century the US has destr-yed half a dozen nations and murdered millions of  people for oil and war profits.Sep 16 03:49
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cubexyzoiaohm, have you ever used x2x?Sep 16 06:38
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msb__cubexyz: What do you think about my thesis regarding the US govt and socialism?Sep 16 07:18
cubexyzoil will eventually run outSep 16 07:32
cubexyzand when the older generations die off people will become more accepting of socialism, even in the United StatesSep 16 07:33
cubexyzthe old ways of thinking that rich people are completely self-made will fadeSep 16 07:33
cubexyzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_socialist_movement_in_the_United_StatesSep 16 07:39
msb__cubexyz: Do you think I'm correct regarding the reason for the opposition of American politicians to socialism?Sep 16 07:39
cubexyzyes, with regards to the control of media Sep 16 07:41
cubexyzgreedy parasites on society will eventually die off thoughSep 16 07:42
cubexyzSanders is a democratic socialist, so we'll see how it goesSep 16 07:43
msb__Greedy parasites lay eggs and have offspring.Sep 16 07:44
cubexyza parasite that kills it's host will also dieSep 16 07:44
msb__These parasites keep the US sufficiently alive that they can still feed off it, and the citizens are not sufficiently starved to revolt.Sep 16 07:46
msb__If we had honest elections, Sanders might become President, but as things are, I doubt that he'll even win the Dem primary.Sep 16 07:49
msb__It's also possible that oil is being regenerated deep in the earth and will not run out.  But that won't stop global warming from killing us.  If the methane-hydrate in the arctic seas decomposes, the methane will act as a powerful greenhouse gas, causing a regenerative increase in temperature.Sep 16 07:52
cubexyzI kind of doubt oil is being regenerated as fast as the world is using it upSep 16 07:57
cubexyzI'm hoping and predicting the people of the world will become less wasteful and more 'green'Sep 16 07:58
msb__Solar cell tech is getting cheaper, and there are also some exotic techs like blacklightpower.comSep 16 08:01
cubexyzI'm definitely more frugal now than I was when I was youngerSep 16 08:01
cubexyzand my repair skills have gotten a lot better which saves moneySep 16 08:02
cubexyzand I'm seeing lots of DIY repair sites on the webSep 16 08:02
cubexyzso things _should_ be better in general in the futureSep 16 08:03
oiaohmcubexyz: x2x I hope you don't mean this one https://github.com/dottedmag/x2xSep 16 08:09
oiaohmhttp://www.x2go.org this one what is open source NX I can justify.Sep 16 08:09
oiaohmthe old x2x is a insecure bit of crap.  Sep 16 08:10
cubexyzwell I don't think I want to link to qt4 just to do what x2x doesSep 16 08:11
cubexyzhow is x2x insecure?Sep 16 08:12
cubexyzjust enable x11 forwarding on a couple of internal ip addresses and off you goSep 16 08:13
cubexyze.g.:Sep 16 08:13
cubexyzssh -XC user@server x2x -west -to :0.0Sep 16 08:14
cubexyzit's encapsulated inside a SSH tunnelSep 16 08:14
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oiaohmcubexyz: x2x allows remote to take control of local.Sep 16 08:21
cubexyzbut that's the idea isn't it?Sep 16 08:21
oiaohmcubexyz: it lacks some very key filtering on what X11 command should be allowed.Sep 16 08:21
oiaohmRemote take control of local in both directions.Sep 16 08:22
oiaohmcubexyz: when you are remote controlling a server.   You don't want the server you are remote controlling controling your computer do you.Sep 16 08:23
cubexyzthat's rightSep 16 08:24
cubexyzbut it doesn't do thatSep 16 08:24
oiaohmx2x due to its bugs the remote server could control your computer.Sep 16 08:24
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cubexyznot unless I run x2x again on the other computer as wellSep 16 08:24
cubexyzI'm only running x2x on one computerSep 16 08:24
oiaohmx2x over network is not good.Sep 16 08:25
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oiaohmx2go allows one directional control.Sep 16 08:25
oiaohmx2x is no better than ssh -X direct sharing from a secuirty point of view.Sep 16 08:26
oiaohmNote I don't like ssh -X either.Sep 16 08:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Deluge Torrent 1.3.12 Released, How ToSep 16 08:27
TweetTuxMachines                 Install/Update In Ubuntu/Linux Mint Or OtherSep 16 08:27
TweetTuxMachines                 Derivatives http://t.co/YMUlRaZB44Sep 16 08:27
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 16 08:27
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nsqpnSep 16 08:27
cubexyzoiaohm, I'm still using access controlSep 16 08:28
oiaohmcubexyz: basically X11 protocol never got the idea of seperation.Sep 16 08:28
cubexyzonly a couple of internal ip addresses are allowed accessSep 16 08:28
oiaohmx2x output is nested.Sep 16 08:28
oiaohmSo it does not have access to the full house.Sep 16 08:29
oiaohmThis is why I don't use it.Sep 16 08:29
oiaohmWhen I can use x2go and I don't have to jump threw about 4 hoops to make it secure I do.Sep 16 08:29
oiaohmAlso x2x lost it core developer a while back.Sep 16 08:30
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Qualcomm unveils Linux-based UAV referenceSep 16 08:34
TweetTuxMachines                 platform http://t.co/xt9Hj5dYVXSep 16 08:34
TweetTuxMachines                 (linuxgizmos.com)Sep 16 08:34
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nsqsfSep 16 08:34
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cubexyzx2x is supposed to support clipboard sharing alsoSep 16 08:41
cubexyzin quasijarus there's no ssh evenSep 16 08:56
cubexyzbut I never got X11 forwarding to work on thatSep 16 08:56
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oiaohmcubexyz: https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds this is a interesting project.Sep 16 09:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Looking forward to openSuSE LeapSep 16 10:20
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/f07zmIjqEy (www.zdnet.com)Sep 16 10:20
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nsrmdSep 16 10:20
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Samsung to bring Tizen to Europe with Germany,Sep 16 10:20
TweetTuxMachines                 France, UK, Russia and Poland on the hit list?Sep 16 10:20
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/Z42zwzzOVd (www.tizenexperts.com)Sep 16 10:20
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Qualcomm unveils Linux-based UAV referenceSep 16 10:20
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Looking forward to openSuSE LeapSep 16 11:45
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Italian military to switch to LibreOffice andSep 16 11:45
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Samsung to bring Tizen to Europe with Germany,Sep 16 11:46
TweetTuxMachines                 France, UK, Russia and Poland on the hit list?Sep 16 11:46
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msb__Wonderful!  Linux-based drone controller circuit - cheap!  http://linuxgizmos.com/qualcomm-unveils-linux-based-uav-reference-platform/   Combined with facial-recognition software, this can be programmed to find and kill enemies of the state automatically, without further human intervention.Sep 16 11:46
msb__It's equipped with WiFi, GPS, etc., so multiple units could form a network in the sky!  What will we call that?Sep 16 11:49
MinceRkillbotsSep 16 12:27
MinceRi need a lot of thoseSep 16 12:27
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msb__I know exactly whose picture you're gonna feed them.  Geez, we have to improve your attitude before you start WW3!Sep 16 12:39
MinceRi doubt i can beat putin to thatSep 16 12:41
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 15.04 Robotics Edition Brings MicrosoftSep 16 17:49
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Weekend in Techrights http://t.co/aRnxmBy6K4Sep 16 19:31
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 15.04 Robotics Edition Brings MicrosoftSep 16 19:31
TweetTuxMachines                 Kinect Support to ODROID http://t.co/hpk6WTY1TtSep 16 19:31
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msb__This is very interesting.  http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-15-04-robotics-edition-brings-microsoft-kinect-support-to-odroid-491887.shtmlSep 16 19:49
msb__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenNISep 16 19:49
msb__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KinectSep 16 19:50
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msb__https://www.asus.com/3D-Sensor/Xtion_PRO/Sep 16 19:52
msb__https://www.google.com/search?as_q=xtion+asus&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=&as_occt=any&safe=images&as_filetype=&as_rights=Sep 16 19:53
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msb__ASUS Xtion is similar to MS Kinect, but something weird is going on with it.Sep 16 20:15
msb__$170 at Newegg, but out of stock.  $425 at Amazon.  Sold at ASUS eStore, but the phone # for that is NG.Sep 16 20:16
msb__I'm on the phone to ASUS right now, but it's gone silent for quite a while.Sep 16 20:17
msb__Certainly don't want to buy a microshit one.Sep 16 20:17
MinceRhttp://img.pr0gramm.com/2015/09/16/848b82b49bf45f6a.pngSep 16 20:28
MinceRi'll stick with good old keyboard+mouseSep 16 20:29
MinceRthough i guess i could use some pedalsSep 16 20:29
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msb__I want a USB6 direct brain connection.Sep 16 20:32
MinceRbeware the black iceSep 16 20:32
msb__For sure!Sep 16 20:32
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msb__ASUS seems to have a low-rez and a high-rez one.  The high-rez -- 1280x1024 -- they recommend to buy from Amazon, which has only two sellers -- one in France and the other in Germany,Sep 16 21:10
msb__I'm getting the idea that ASUS is not really serious about this product.  I've been on the phone with them for over an hour, and the guy has not found where the high-rez one is shown on their website.Sep 16 21:12
msb__It would be nice if you could have a hologram projector make an image, and then be able to grab at it with your hands using this sensor.  Sep 16 21:14
msb__That would be like the computer in the movie  The First $20 Million Is Always the Hardest (2002) -- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0280674/combined  -- Highly recommended!Sep 16 21:17
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msb__After 90minutes ASUS hung up on me.Sep 16 21:28
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DaemonFCJ. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Sep 16 22:07
DaemonFCIt does not appear that New Jersey's SAIP insurance is a form of "welfare", if the people would have been better off by breaking the law and going uninsured.Sep 16 22:07
DaemonFCIf it has no liability coverage, then what's the point? Especially if you rear end some rich ***hole that slams his brakes and then sues you because his $90,000 car is trashed.Sep 16 22:07
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     An Everyday Linux User Review Of Q4OSSep 16 23:01
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msb__http://www.globalresearch.ca/anti-russian-propaganda-corporate-media-are-accomplices-of-imperial-politics/5476453   Anti-Russian Propaganda. Corporate Media are Accomplices of Imperial PoliticsSep 17 02:24
msb__BOT???Sep 17 02:24
MinceRgood thing russia isn't imperialist... oh waitSep 17 02:24
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     An Everyday Linux User Review Of Q4OSSep 17 02:25
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TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nt0pzSep 17 02:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Booting Windows 10…Out the DoorSep 17 02:25
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DaemonFChttp://wishtv.com/2015/09/16/no-charges-against-muslim-teen-after-clock-mistaken-for-bomb/Sep 17 02:26
DaemonFCI commented.Sep 17 02:26
DaemonFCIt's Texas... Derp is everywhere there.Sep 17 02:26
DaemonFCSeveral years ago, the state government of Texas raided a charity that I donated money to, which took old computers and refurbished them to run Linux and then gave them to schoolkids.Sep 17 02:26
DaemonFCTheir reasoning was that they needed a license from the state to do that.Sep 17 02:26
DaemonFCI wonder how the fertilizer plant that blew up and destroyed West, Texas managed to go without a significant inspection for nearly thirty years.Sep 17 02:26
DaemonFCToo busy investigating a charity that recycles computers?Sep 17 02:26
MinceRhttp://ur1.ca/nsxynSep 17 02:26
*MinceR sighsSep 17 02:26
MinceR"MUSLIMS NEED TO LEAVE THE MIDDLE AGES AND JOIN THE 21ST CENTURY OK kid: look I'm so into science I made a clock! BOMB BOMB HE'S GOT A BOMB"Sep 17 02:27
MinceRit seems that the authorities are too busy grabbing cash and bothering citizens to actually go after crimeSep 17 02:29
MinceRanother sign of the failure of "the social contract"Sep 17 02:29
msb__In this century, Russia has been about 1/1000th as imperialist as the US, which is attacking it.Sep 17 02:29
msb__That's right.  After the huge robbery by banksters in 2008 impoverished US city and state governments, they started robbing their citizens with undeserved traffic tickets and other petty violations.Sep 17 02:31
MinceRwhich territories has the usa annexed in this century?Sep 17 02:33
DaemonFChttp://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/white-kid-builds-nuclear-reactor-and-homeland-security-offers-help/Sep 17 02:36
cubexyzMinceR, there haven't been any:Sep 17 02:39
cubexyzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_territorial_acquisitionsSep 17 02:39
MinceRexactlySep 17 02:39
cubexyzin 1846 Mexico had to give up half it's land to the USSep 17 02:44
cubexyzAlta California, New Mexico and parts of TexasSep 17 02:44
DaemonFC<msb__> That's right.  After the huge robbery by banksters in 2008 impoverished US city and state governments, they started robbing their citizens with undeserved traffic tickets and other petty violations.Sep 17 02:45
DaemonFCI was talking about that the other day.Sep 17 02:45
DaemonFCI got a seatbelt violation and paid it with jars full of pennies.Sep 17 02:46
cubexyzin fact there was even talk of annexing all of Mexico at one pointSep 17 02:46
DaemonFCThen I got a parking ticket.Sep 17 02:46
DaemonFCSo I got a parking permit and then obscured the date.Sep 17 02:47
DaemonFCKept parking in the lot next to the police for about a year.Sep 17 02:47
msb__MinceR: Are you claiming that taking total control of a country -- after murdering many of its inhabitants and destr0ying its infrastructure, leaving the survivors to live in poverty -- is less evil than annexing a nation and treating its citizens as well as it does its own?Sep 17 02:47
msb__MinceR: The US has done that to FIVE NATIONS since 2001.Sep 17 02:50
MinceRthere are plenty of falsehoods in that paragraphSep 17 02:50
msb__MinceR: Please point them out.Sep 17 02:50
MinceRand i still can't see how supporting putin's adventures is supposed to help anyone except putin and his cronies.Sep 17 02:51
DaemonFCSaddam Hussein said that he wanted to decapitate George H.W. Bush and toss his head on the ground.Sep 17 02:51
DaemonFCI read that and said "I would like that too.".Sep 17 02:51
MinceRand yet saddam was "Our Bastard" for a while, wasn't he?Sep 17 02:51
msb__The US got rid of a socialist and put Saddam in.Sep 17 02:52
MinceRmsb__: also, i've asked you before -- how's Chechnya's secession referendum going?Sep 17 02:52
msb__I have no idea.  Give me a reference.Sep 17 02:52
MinceRthere's none, afaictSep 17 02:53
MinceRbut i guess territories wanting to secede from the state that controls them is only interesting as long as it happens to the benefit of russiaSep 17 02:54
DaemonFCMinceR, Puerto Rico is being treated terribly by the United States.Sep 17 02:54
MinceRthey should probably be made into a stateSep 17 02:55
DaemonFCIf they were a state, they would have some options to deal with their debt.Sep 17 02:55
DaemonFCWhich is why that won't be allowed.Sep 17 02:55
DaemonFCAlso, the Republicans control Congress and the last thing they want are two new Senators and a new Representative that are Democrats.Sep 17 02:56
DaemonFCHalf of the Republicans have gone so far off the deep end that they're two parties now.Sep 17 02:57
MinceR:>Sep 17 02:57
DaemonFCOne half can get some things passed in the House if they rely on the Democrats.Sep 17 02:57
DaemonFCThey can't keep their own members under control.Sep 17 02:57
MinceRmaybe the republican party dying will finally shake up usian politics enough to move on from the two-party systemSep 17 02:58
cubexyzCrimea was once a republic within the USSRSep 17 02:59
DaemonFCMinceR, All of the news networks are running Donald Trump all day long for free.Sep 17 03:00
cubexyzin 1954 it was transferred to the Ukranian Soviet Socialist RepublicSep 17 03:00
DaemonFCNo wonder his campaign is doing well. He doesn't have to pay for advertising.Sep 17 03:00
MinceRand he may yet bring down the republican party :>Sep 17 03:00
cubexyzin 1991 it became independent: the Autonomous Republic of CrimeaSep 17 03:00
DaemonFCMinceR, 70% of Hispanic voters polled hate his guts.Sep 17 03:01
cubexyzin March 2014 Crimea is absorbed into the Russian FederationSep 17 03:01
msb__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechnya -- informative, but may be biasedSep 17 03:01
DaemonFCIt's hard to imagine a situation where he loses badly everywhere but with white people and wins anyway.Sep 17 03:01
cubexyzexcept that's not recognized by Ukraine or most of the international communitySep 17 03:01
DaemonFCObama did really badly in 2012 among white people. Still won.Sep 17 03:01
MinceRDaemonFC: and yet republican voters seem to love him and afaik he implicitly (or explicitly?) threatened with the GOP with running independently if they don't nominate himSep 17 03:02
DaemonFCIf he had gotten the same percentage of the white vote with the demographics of 1996 or even 2000, he would have lost.Sep 17 03:02
msb__Maybe this is why Russia is holding on to the area:  "Insurgency in the North Caucasus continued even after this date. The Caucasus Emirate has fully adopted the tenets of being a Salafist-takfiri jihadist group"Sep 17 03:02
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     How to Setup SSH Keys on a Linux SystemSep 17 03:02
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msb__Salafism is the vicious jihadist doctrin of ISIL.Sep 17 03:03
MinceRmaybe this is why russia is holding on to the area: russia is imperialistSep 17 03:03
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MinceRand they consider the entire eastern bloc to belong to themSep 17 03:03
MinceRespecially ukraineSep 17 03:03
DaemonFCMinceR, This isn't the 80s.Sep 17 03:03
MinceRDaemonFC: tell putin that.Sep 17 03:03
DaemonFCThe Republicans can no longer piss off everyone that isn't white and assume the white vote will carry them forward.Sep 17 03:03
msb__MinceR: Your ideas of what people want or think are NOT the same as actual ACTIONS.Sep 17 03:04
DaemonFCWe're still the majority, but it's declining with every election.Sep 17 03:04
MinceRand since they can't afford to maintain a military that could beat the usa, they pour their resources into a propaganda campaignSep 17 03:04
MinceRand some people without critical thinking skills eat it all upSep 17 03:04
msb__If the Russians say something that is _true_, then it's a lie to call it "propaganda".Sep 17 03:05
MinceRoh, almost forgot the "cyber"attackSep 17 03:05
DaemonFCMinceR, The Russians don't have to win a war with us.Sep 17 03:05
DaemonFCAll they have to do is keep poaching territory that we won't fight them over.Sep 17 03:05
MinceRif one works by the axiom of "russia is right in everything", whatever russia says follows to be the Truth and whatever contradicts it follows to be a LieSep 17 03:05
MinceRDaemonFC: yeah, and i wonder if the NATO would fight over poland or hungarySep 17 03:06
cubexyzsurely they would?Sep 17 03:06
msb__The only territory that Russia "poached" VOTED to join Russia -- Crimea.Sep 17 03:06
MinceRand while crimean tatars are oppressed, people who have no real stake in this celebrate at their expense.Sep 17 03:06
MinceR"voted" in something that was not a referendum and was not credibleSep 17 03:07
DaemonFCMinceR, Theoretically, NATO Article 5 would guarantee that.Sep 17 03:07
MinceRtheoretically.Sep 17 03:07
DaemonFCWhat will happen is a good question.Sep 17 03:07
MinceRnothing good, most likely.Sep 17 03:07
cubexyzyou're suggesting Russia would invade Poland?Sep 17 03:07
MinceRrussia is suggesting thatSep 17 03:07
msb__MinceR: "if one works by the axiom of "russia is right in everything""  You are AGAIN claiming that I think something that there is no evidence that I do.Sep 17 03:07
msb__I have criticized Putin plenty.Sep 17 03:08
MinceRand yet you'd hand over the eastern bloc to him happily, if it was up to youSep 17 03:08
MinceRthankfully, it is notSep 17 03:08
msb__MinceR: Stop talking about what you imagine is my state of mind, and talk only about FACTS.Sep 17 03:09
msb__MinceR: "you'd hand over the eastern bloc to him happily, if it was up to you".  YOU DID IT AGAIN.  YOU ARE LYING.Sep 17 03:09
MinceRthe fact is russia is imperialistic and putin is gambling with everyone's livesSep 17 03:09
msb__So vague as to be meaningless.  Twice.Sep 17 03:10
msb__MinceR: Your only justification for "russia is imperialistic" is that it has refused to release Salafist Chechnya (after its many terrorist attacks) and has annexed Crimea at its request.Sep 17 03:12
MinceRno, not my only justificationSep 17 03:13
MinceRyou're lying, as usualSep 17 03:13
MinceRlook up what they did to georgiaSep 17 03:13
MinceRlook up what they did to estonia.Sep 17 03:13
MinceRlook up what they threatened european states with.Sep 17 03:13
msb__When did they do those things?Sep 17 03:13
MinceR2008, 2014, 2014~2015Sep 17 03:14
msb__MinceR: And what is the meaning of "putin is gambling with everyone's lives" ?  Opposing US attacks on Russia, like the Nazification of Ukraine?Sep 17 03:14
MinceRand stop pretending that just because the ideology you love so much wrecked the economy of the russian empire so much they had to pull out of the eastern bloc they've changed and become saintly.Sep 17 03:14
MinceRthey keep proving that nothing has changed, except the state religion was changed from marxism to christianity.Sep 17 03:15
MinceRmsb__: no, the meaning of that is not the bullshit the russian imperial media comes up with to justify their crimes against humanity.Sep 17 03:15
MinceRit means literally what it says.Sep 17 03:15
msb__MinceR: Yeltsin utterly destroyed the  Russian economy.  See Chapter 11 of The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism by Naomi Klein.Sep 17 03:16
msb__Not socialism.Sep 17 03:16
MinceRputin is threatening everyone with nukes and is looking for excuses to use them, to either force the world into nuclear war or to take over ever greater parts of the planetSep 17 03:16
MinceRyeltsin wasn't even president until 1991Sep 17 03:16
msb__Read the bookSep 17 03:17
MinceRread some historySep 17 03:17
msb__You refuse to access evidence.Sep 17 03:17
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_occupation_of_HungarySep 17 03:18
MinceR"In the wake of the Revolutions of 1989, the Soviet troops - the Southern Group of Forces - started leaving Hungary. By July 1990, some 15,000 Soviet soldiers and their dependents had left, taking about 60,000 of the 560,000 tons of equipment they had stored there.["Sep 17 03:18
MinceRYeltsin was president starting 10 July 1991Sep 17 03:18
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YeltsinSep 17 03:18
msb__You are still living in the 1950'sSep 17 03:18
MinceRso unless you show me the time machine Yelstin used to retroactively destroy the russian economy, i'm calling bullshit on you yet again.Sep 17 03:19
msb__You are changing subjects in order to avoid the facts.Sep 17 03:19
MinceRno, your idols are living in the 1950sSep 17 03:19
MinceRand just because you worship this nazi madman, his nukes won't spare you in the usa.Sep 17 03:19
msb__You are again lying about what is in my mind.Sep 17 03:19
MinceRand the nuclear winter that will bring about also won't spare you.Sep 17 03:19
msb__MinceR: "putin is threatening everyone with nukes"  Give a reference.Sep 17 03:20
MinceRand the eastern bloc coming under russian occupation yet again is going to do nothing to improve the quality of your life.Sep 17 03:20
MinceRi already have, and you ignored it.Sep 17 03:20
MinceRjust like you ignore all the facts.Sep 17 03:20
msb__Give it again.  Not the CIA.Sep 17 03:20
MinceRi'm not going to bother with citations since you won't read any of them anywaySep 17 03:20
MinceRoh, of courseSep 17 03:20
MinceRif it's not from RT or pravda or whatever, it must be the CIASep 17 03:20
msb__I don't remember any such reference.  I think you are lying.Sep 17 03:21
MinceRi don't have time for this bullshitSep 17 03:21
MinceRgood nightSep 17 03:21
MinceRyou don't remember it because you skipped it.Sep 17 03:21
msb__Great excuse.Sep 17 03:21
msb__Give it again if it exists.  Maybe I was disconnected at the time.Sep 17 03:21
MinceRhttp://www.vox.com/2015/6/29/8845913/russia-warSep 17 03:21
MinceRsome more:Sep 17 03:21
MinceRhttp://www.nationalreview.com/article/420510/russias-nuclear-strategy-coercion-and-intimidationSep 17 03:21
MinceRhttp://www.aim.org/aim-column/putin-threatens-america-with-nuclear-annihilation/Sep 17 03:22
MinceRhttp://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2015/06/25/pentagon-official-russian-nuke-talk-playing-with-fireSep 17 03:22
MinceRhttp://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/16/us-russia-nuclear-putin-idUSKBN0OW17X20150616Sep 17 03:22
MinceRand now, in less time than it would take to read even one paragraph, you'll tell me how all this is lies from the CIA, as usualSep 17 03:22
MinceRshowing that it was a total waste of my time to respond.Sep 17 03:22
DaemonFChttp://huff.to/1F373QoSep 17 03:24
DaemonFCJust now ·Sep 17 03:24
DaemonFCBroadly speaking, people didn't generally get raises last year.Sep 17 03:24
DaemonFCIn the last 50 years, the "market" hasn't improved the situation for the bottom 10% at all, but food stamps, Medicaid, and a few other programs have. The minimum wage is far too low, and this lets major companies like Walmart and McDonalds turn Medicaid into the benefits package instead of taking care of their own employees.Sep 17 03:24
msb__"Accuracy in Media" is an American ultra-rightwing propaganda organization.Sep 17 03:25
msb__So is "National Review"Sep 17 03:26
msb__The vox article you cited says "Putin, warning repeatedly that he would use nuclear weapons in a conflict, began forward-deploying nuclear-capable missiles and bombers."Sep 17 03:27
msb__But that is in response to US actions, which have ringed Russia with nuclear missiles.  And US politicians have threatened to use them.Sep 17 03:28
msb__MinceR: The US has aggressed against Russia in Ukraine and Syria (a Russian ally).  Russia has not aggressed against the US at all.Sep 17 03:30
DaemonFCJust now ·Sep 17 03:31
DaemonFCThe police interrogated him demanding that they tell them that the clock wasn't a clock, when the clock was clearly a clock.Sep 17 03:31
DaemonFCI'm not sure how he would have complied with their request to broaden his explanation. It's a clock. What kind of a clock? Well, you see officer, it's a clockey kind of clock.Sep 17 03:31
DaemonFChttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/16/1421822/-Definitive-proof-that-9th-grader-Ahmed-Mohamed-is-smarter-than-the-police-officers-who-arrested-him?detail=facebookSep 17 03:31
msb__MinceR: The entire current conflict between the US and Russia was started by the US installing a Nazi regime in Ukraine.Sep 17 03:31
msb__MinceR: The US did that in order to start a conflict with Russia.  What other reason would it have.Sep 17 03:32
msb__?Sep 17 03:32
DaemonFCMinceR, There have actually been some changes to US territory this century.Sep 17 03:52
DaemonFCJust some minor land swaps with Mexico.Sep 17 03:57
DaemonFChttp://gizmodo.com/zune-will-go-dark-on-november-15th-wait-zune-still-ex-1731035604Sep 17 04:01
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MinceRand so msb__'s Universal Excuse shows up againSep 17 12:23
MinceRwhatever bad happens anywhere in the world, it's caused by psychopathy caused by the usa, somehowSep 17 12:23
MinceR164738 8/<g:/ </msb__g8/>g eMinceR: Psychopathy in a whole culture does seem to result, sometimes at least from trauma.  Stalinist, North Korea, and Israel are illustrations of this.Sep 17 12:23
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msb__MinceR: In your latest personal attack against me, I'm having difficulty finding where I wrote what you seem to be quoting from me:  "Psychopathy in a whole culture does seem to result, sometimes at least from trauma.  Stalinist, North Korea, and Israel are illustrations of this."Sep 17 13:58
MinceRyou don't even remember what you write hereSep 17 13:59
MinceRand yet you insist on being quotedSep 17 13:59
MinceRit's pointless to try to argue with you about this, as you apparently have a zealous religious belief in the russian empire and putlerSep 17 13:59
msb__MinceR: Would you please provide the date and time (with time zone) that you are quoting from.Sep 17 13:59
MinceR2014-04-27.log:164738Sep 17 13:59
MinceRCET or CESTSep 17 13:59
msb__Good lord!  You are picking a fight with me about something I wrote over a year ago?Sep 17 14:00
msb__You are really obsessive!Sep 17 14:01
MinceRno, you blaming all evil in the world on "trauma" caused by the USA seems to be a consistent themeSep 17 14:01
MinceRit's the excuse for everything north korea and russia do, among other thingsSep 17 14:02
msb__MinceR: You don't see that going back to what I wrote 17 months ago indicates and obsessive desire to attack me?Sep 17 14:07
msb__and -> anSep 17 14:08
MinceRif i don't quote you, you say i lie. if i quote you, you say i'm obsessive.Sep 17 14:08
MinceRagain, it's pointless to argue with youSep 17 14:08
MinceRit's ironic how for all that lip service to critical thinking, you show zero critical thinkingSep 17 14:08
msb__You must be spending quite a lot of time going over your old logs of what I've written!Sep 17 14:09
MinceRactually grep doesn't take that long to search the logsSep 17 14:11
MinceRbut even so, you've already proven that effort to be wastedSep 17 14:11
msb__MinceR: In any case, I recently explained to you in a private conversation that the mental/cultural disease of mass psychopathy, called by Wilhelm Reich The Emotional Plague, and by Riane Eisler The Dominator Paradigm, is passed down from generation to generation by traumatic child-rearing and anti-human cultural influences like JCI religion.Sep 17 14:13
msb__MinceR: JCI religion probably accounts for the willingness of American psychopaths to do the worldwide evil they've been doing ever since their genocide of the Native Americans during the formation of the US.Sep 17 14:15
MinceRthat in no way excuses the acts of the fascist regimes you openly supportSep 17 14:15
MinceRalso, why do i have to remind you that the russian government is allied with a christian cult?Sep 17 14:16
msb__I don't support any fascist regimes at all.  The fact that fascism is a result of trauma doesn't excuse it.  It's a cause-and-effect connection, not a moral justification.  Can you understand the difference?Sep 17 14:17
MinceRyou support russia, north korea and othersSep 17 14:18
MinceRof course it doesn't excuse it but you pretend it doesSep 17 14:19
MinceRyou use this excuse to push all responsibility for everything bad that happens to the usiansSep 17 14:19
msb__MinceR: I count 8 lying personal attacks in your recent text here.  That doesn't do anything to convince any audience that may be reading your text that you're right.  It just makes you look like an obsessive nutcase.Sep 17 14:20
MinceRanyone with a working brain must have already deduced that you're an obsessive fascist nutcaseSep 17 14:20
msb__Am I talking with a primitive AI program here that simply repeats back to me what I've said?Sep 17 14:21
msb__MinceR: Stop lying about me.  I do _not_ "support russia, north korea".  I have criticized Russia's attacks on the Eastern Bloc half a century ago.  I have criticized Putin's attack on Pussy Riot, and his recent attempt to censor Net information about cannabis.Sep 17 14:23
MinceRyeah, while supporting russia and north korea you also keep fraudulently claiming that you do notSep 17 14:24
MinceRyou repeat every single lie from RT hereSep 17 14:24
msb__How have I supported North Korea?Sep 17 14:24
MinceRyou claim that every source of evidence that's unpleasant to russia is the CIASep 17 14:24
msb__How have I supported North Korea?Sep 17 14:24
MinceRyou excuse their acts with your absurd claims of trauma caused by the usaSep 17 14:24
MinceRand you have the same ideology as themSep 17 14:25
MinceRyou support oppressing other states and people by russiansSep 17 14:25
MinceRyou support putler's fascist posturingSep 17 14:25
MinceRyou support putler's nuclear threats to the worldSep 17 14:25
msb__No, I don't excuse their acts.  I _explain_ their acts by the fact that the US murdered 30% of the North Korean population in the Korean War.  Imagine having burning jellied gasoline -- napalm -- dropped on yourself and your family.Sep 17 14:26
MinceRmaybe i'll experience thatSep 17 14:27
MinceRcourtesy of your idol, putinSep 17 14:27
msb__MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME!  Putin is not my idol.  I've said that his opposition to the US destruction of five nations recently is a good thing.  Currently he is trying to aid Syria in getting rid of ISIL, but the US government wants ISIL there to get rid of Assad for reasons of profit.Sep 17 14:29
MinceRyour acts say more than your wordsSep 17 14:29
msb__What acts?Sep 17 14:30
MinceRyour support for everything putler does, for one thingSep 17 14:30
MinceRoh well, good thing russia is allowed to destroy "nations", right?Sep 17 14:30
msb__MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME!  I do not support everything putin does.  Quoting myself 7 minutes ago "I have criticized Putin's attack on Pussy Riot, and his recent attempt to censor Net information about cannabis."Sep 17 14:32
MinceRyet you want him to rule over as many people as possibleSep 17 14:33
msb__MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME!  I have never said that "russia is allowed to destroy "nations"".Sep 17 14:33
MinceRincluding crimean tatars, estonians, poles, hungarians...Sep 17 14:33
msb__MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME!  I have never said that I want Putin to rule over "crimean tatars, estonians, poles, hungarians".Sep 17 14:34
MinceRnot with those wordsSep 17 14:34
MinceRyou use different wordsSep 17 14:34
MinceRi guess someone who's absolutely gullible and naive might even believe your deceptionSep 17 14:34
msb__Putin was right in annexing Crimea, which overwhelmingly voted for it.  If Crimean Tatars are unhappy about that, it's unfortunate.  Are they discriminated against in Russia?Sep 17 14:35
msb__MinceR: What's going on here is that I carefully choose my words, and you attribute to me something entirely different than what I wrote, and then attack me for your false attribution.  That's called the Straw Man lying propaganda technique.Sep 17 14:37
MinceRof course they areSep 17 14:37
MinceRand i've already told you they areSep 17 14:37
MinceRwhich you ignored, as usualSep 17 14:37
MinceRlying about what you say is not "carefully choosing your words"Sep 17 14:38
MinceRit's just lying about what you say.Sep 17 14:38
msb__What can be done about it, if the Tatars are living in a region in which most people want to be a part of Russia?Sep 17 14:38
MinceRwhat's the "repeat every single piece of bullshit from RT" propaganda technique called?Sep 17 14:38
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MinceRwhat's the "dismiss every bit of fact you don't like as CIA propaganda" propaganda technique called?Sep 17 14:38
MinceRno, most people don't want it to be a part of russiaSep 17 14:39
MinceRputin and his cronies want it to be a part of russiaSep 17 14:39
msb__RT broadcasts a lot of accurate information.  If you disagree with something they've broadcast that I've mentioned, tell me what it is.Sep 17 14:39
msb__The  Crimeans voted to be part of Russia.Sep 17 14:39
MinceRthe results of the yalta conference also didn't mean that most people wanted the eastern bloc to be a part of russiaSep 17 14:40
msb__And that's consistent with 700,000 Crimeans fleeing to Russia to escape the Ukrainian Nazi regime.Sep 17 14:40
MinceRyes, at gunpoint, in circumstances that lack credibility, "voted"Sep 17 14:40
MinceRbut i suppose you'd also call what the russians and their bootlickers did here in hungary "democracy"Sep 17 14:40
MinceRbecause people "voted"Sep 17 14:40
msb__The yalta conference has nothing to do with what we're talking about.  What you're doing is called the Red Herring lying propaganda technique.Sep 17 14:41
MinceRgood thing the russians are allowed to maintain a nazi regime by emperor msbSep 17 14:41
MinceRwhat would the world come to if they weren't?Sep 17 14:41
MinceRyou obviously have no clue about historySep 17 14:41
MinceRyou're a living demonstration of the dunning-kruger effectSep 17 14:42
msb__MinceR: You constantly confuse the concepts of "Nazi" and "authoritarian".Sep 17 14:42
MinceRyou constantly pretend as if a few symbols changed the nature of a fascist regimeSep 17 14:42
MinceRyou pretend as if brutally oppressing people and treating them as slaves with no rights was a-ok as long as your flag had a five-pointed star and a hammer and a sickleSep 17 14:42
MinceRyou pretend as if a hammer and a sickle on the flag was any sort of consolation to the victimsSep 17 14:43
MinceRit's of course easy to argue this from an armchair in the usaSep 17 14:43
MinceRit's easy to put other people's lives on the lineSep 17 14:44
msb__Are people in Russia brutally oppressed and treated as slaves with no rights?  xrevan86 and videos of Russia don't indicate that.Sep 17 14:44
MinceRthen you should have listened to him.Sep 17 14:44
MinceRinstead of ignoring everything that's uncomfortable to you, as you usually doSep 17 14:44
msb__In your zeal to deliver rapid-fire personal attacks, you misread what I wrote about xrevan86.Sep 17 14:45
msb__You perceived the opposite of what I wrote.Sep 17 14:46
MinceRyou apparently also have reading comprehension issuesSep 17 14:47
MinceRwhy fight putin's information war for him? what's in it for you?Sep 17 14:48
msb__I should have said above, 700,000 Ukrainians fleeing to Russia to escape the Ukrainian Nazi regime.  They are not all from Crimea.Sep 17 14:48
MinceRthey're more likely to be escaping the hellish conditions the russians imposed on ukraineSep 17 14:49
msb__I'm telling the truth.  Which I find from many sources, not just RT.  I've listed some of them here before.Sep 17 14:49
MinceRno, you're telling putin's propagandaSep 17 14:49
MinceRand yes, many sources repeat the bullshit from RT uncriticallySep 17 14:49
MinceRlike your beloved global"research"Sep 17 14:49
MinceRwhich supports every bit of woo and conspiracy theory out thereSep 17 14:49
msb__I suggest to anyone reading MinceR's rants that you look at http://globalresearch.ca/  yourself.  It has articles by people from many different nations,Sep 17 14:51
MinceRyes, they really shouldSep 17 14:51
MinceRhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/chemtrails-the-consequences-of-toxic-metals-and-chemical-aerosols-on-human-health/19047Sep 17 14:51
MinceRhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/chemtrails-a-planetary-catastrophe-created-by-geo-engineering/5355299Sep 17 14:51
MinceRhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/chemtrails-the-secret-war/5421137Sep 17 14:51
MinceRhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/the-fda-and-big-pharmas-latest-killer-agenda-destroy-homeopathic-medicine/5455093Sep 17 14:52
MinceRhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/vaccination-myths-and-truths/14618Sep 17 14:52
MinceRhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/drug-companies-donated-millions-to-california-lawmakers-prior-to-forced-vaccination-bill/5457393Sep 17 14:52
MinceRhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/mysterious-death-body-of-doctor-who-linked-vaccines-to-autism-found-floating-in-river/5458983Sep 17 14:52
MinceRwow, what a trustworthy source.Sep 17 14:52
MinceRa good fit for putinist propagandaSep 17 14:52
msb__I haven't read those articles, but from the titles they are accurate, except for the one about homeopathy, which I think doesn't work.Sep 17 14:53
MinceRyet you promote this site as an arbiter of truthSep 17 14:53
msb__As to geoengineering -- chemtrails and HAARP -- this site has a wealth of detailed information:  http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/Sep 17 14:54
MinceRif you hate human rights so much, why not move to russia or north korea?Sep 17 14:54
MinceRif you think other people don't deserve freedom, why insist on it for yourself?Sep 17 14:54
msb__To any readers:  I'm not able to type fast enough to refute all of MinceR's personal attacks.  So please don't think that I accept the ones that I don't answer.Sep 17 14:56
MinceRof course, pasting bullshit from RT and global"research" is more pleasant to a putin-worshipper than trying to give answersSep 17 14:57
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DaemonFCJ. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Sep 17 16:15
DaemonFCYes, the sheriff's department in Habersham County, Georgia (overwhelmingly conservative county) burned a baby's face off and blinded it for life by tossing a flashbang grenade in through the window, which landed in the infant's crib.Sep 17 16:15
DaemonFCIn the end, they arrested dad, for possession of about an ounce of marijuana.Sep 17 16:15
DaemonFCI have a friend in Habersham County. Clarkesville, to be precise. Beautiful place, but I'd never want to live somewhere that conservative, where the Sheriff drives up in an MRAP and blows a baby's face off over a misdemeanor marijuana case.Sep 17 16:15
MinceRwowSep 17 16:17
MinceRthey really love their new toys, don't they?Sep 17 16:17
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DaemonFCJ. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Sep 17 16:31
DaemonFCNo medical treatment will make up for the permanent disfigurement and blindness, and any money the family gets will just be taken from other taxpayers because the police don't have any money that belongs to them. Sep 17 16:31
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msb__Although I don't believe in homeopathy, I think that adults should be allowed to use whatever medical techniques they want.  Maybe homeopathy works for some people.  Rupert Sheldrake has demonstrated that conventional science simply ignores some facts, such as the variability of the speed of light.Sep 17 16:55
msb__But even if globalresearch.ca publishes an article that is incorrect in some ways, that doesn't mean that the rest of its articles are wrong.  I do not "promote this site as an arbiter of truth" as MinceR lies.  I  promote it as an excellent source of information, far more accurate than the USGovt/Corporate mainstream media.Sep 17 16:57
MinceRan excellent source of garbage and propagandaSep 17 16:58
MinceRbut one's got to stoop so low to find scraps that support putin and his croniesSep 17 16:58
msb__It certainly disagrees with MinceR's prejudices and obsessions.Sep 17 16:59
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msb__Other than the one on homeopathy, none of the articles that MinceR cited from globalresearch are in doubt.  MinceR apparently believes that chemtrails don't exist, and that vaccines never cause harm, and that the recent murders of alternative medical doctors successfully using GcMAF and other techniques to treat cancer and autism should not be investigated.  Does he also think that Vitamin C does not cure viral diseases, so antiviral Sep 17 17:09
msb__vaccines should be mandatory?  If so, he's wrong.Sep 17 17:09
MinceRmaybe not in doubt by youSep 17 17:10
MinceRfor all the lip service you pay to critical thinking, you accept every single crazy conspiracy theory at face valueSep 17 17:10
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MinceRhttp://english.aawsat.com/2015/06/article55343817/opinion-russia-and-the-danger-of-conspiracy-theoriesSep 17 17:17
msb__The matters I have mentioned are not crazy.  I have investigated them critically.  There is lots of evidence for them.  MinceR gives no proof for his rejection of these ideas.Sep 17 17:18
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MinceRhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/eliot-borenstein/why-conspiracy-theories_b_5626149.htmlSep 17 17:26
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DaemonFCmsb__, They should be mandatory.Sep 17 17:27
msb__The aawsat article gives no information, only unproved assertions of Putin's beliefs.Sep 17 17:27
DaemonFCif we had today's bumper crop of idiots back in the day, Polio would still be a thing and hospitals full of iron lungs would still be around.Sep 17 17:27
msb__DaemonFC: Many people have been harmed by vaccines, and the ones against viruses are not necessary at all, because vitamin C reliably cures viral infections.Sep 17 17:28
DaemonFCNo it doesn't.Sep 17 17:28
MinceRan article you don't read has no way of giving you informationSep 17 17:28
MinceRDaemonFC: polio may yet come backSep 17 17:29
DaemonFCIn fact, one cold remedy with vitamin C and zinc was found to damage the sense of smell, permanently.Sep 17 17:29
MinceRmsb__ and his comrades are fighting for its caseSep 17 17:29
DaemonFCMinceR, msb__ should go to that hospital museum I was in a few weeks ago.Sep 17 17:29
DaemonFCThey have a working iron lung there.Sep 17 17:29
MinceRthe age of reason has ended, welcome to the new dark agesSep 17 17:30
DaemonFCHe can tell me if he'd like to be inside of it and unable to breathe on his own.Sep 17 17:30
MinceRhe's always exemptedSep 17 17:30
msb__DaemonFC: Interesting that you should mention polio.  Vitamin C cured it but was ignored.  Please read:  http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/199x/landwehr-r-j_orthomol_med-1991-v6-n2-p99.htmSep 17 17:30
MinceReveryone should be killed by putin's nukes, but not himSep 17 17:30
DaemonFCThere's a few people left in iron lungs from when Polio was common in the US.Sep 17 17:30
MinceReveryone should be oppressed by putin and his pals from the KGB, but not himSep 17 17:30
DaemonFCBut they're so old that most of them have died of old age.Sep 17 17:30
DaemonFCIt's like maybe a dozen in the entire country compared to a dozen in nearly every hospital in the 40s.Sep 17 17:31
DaemonFCI'd rather be immune than get something terrible and take vitamin C, which doesn't work.Sep 17 17:32
MinceRsure, but msb__ wants you to die insteadSep 17 17:32
DaemonFCThere's all sorts of supposed AIDS cures in folk medicine as well. Most of the people who took them instead of medicine are dead now.Sep 17 17:32
DaemonFCAIDS denial turned out to be a self-correcting problem to a large extent, when most of them ended up dying of AIDS.Sep 17 17:33
msb__Of thousands of alternative medical remedies, that one that involved swabbing the nose with zinc, and one preparation of tryptophan, were found to be harmful.  Only those two.Sep 17 17:33
MinceRhomeopathy was found to be as effective as placeboSep 17 17:33
MinceR(which homeopathy is, of course)Sep 17 17:33
msb__A classic from MinceR: "but msb__ wants you to die".  He is really a major sicko.Sep 17 17:34
MinceRyeah, the guy who wants everyone to be tortured to death by putin is not a sickoSep 17 17:34
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MinceRthe guy who wants to bring back all sorts of diseases is not a sickoSep 17 17:34
MinceRthe guy who promotes every conspiracy theory all the time while mouthing off about critical thinking is not a hypocriteSep 17 17:35
MinceRthe guy who wants everyone to be ruled by putin but not himself is not a hypocriteSep 17 17:35
MinceRright?Sep 17 17:35
msb__DaemonFC: "I'd rather be immune than get something terrible and take vitamin C, which doesn't work"  The problem is, many vaccines contain substances like mercury and aluminum which are neurotoxic, and cause terrible harm to some  people.  Also, Vitamin C does work.  I hope you read the article about polio.Sep 17 17:35
DaemonFCWell, modern medicine is responsible for the life expectancy enjoyed in the western world.Sep 17 17:35
DaemonFCThe average Russian is doing good to make it to 62. The life expectancy for someone born this year in the US is like 83.Sep 17 17:36
msb__DaemonFC: Have you now read it?Sep 17 17:36
DaemonFCOf course, many Russians smoke and consume a lot of alcohol, which would indicate that their quality of life is low and they make up for it by drugging themselves.Sep 17 17:37
MinceRif msb__ had any clue about chemistry, he would realize that the properties of compounds are not determined solely by the elements they're composed ofSep 17 17:37
DaemonFCVladimir Putin implemented price controls on vodka so they could keep getting themselves drunk while his policies are destroying their lives.Sep 17 17:37
msb__Mercury is always poisonous.Sep 17 17:37
msb__DaemonFC: Interesting that you should mention polio.  Vitamin C cured it but was ignored.  Please read:  http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/199x/landwehr-r-j_orthomol_med-1991-v6-n2-p99.htmSep 17 17:38
DaemonFCThe fact that the price controls on vodka were one of his first responses suggests that he knows his policies are not good for the average Russian.Sep 17 17:38
DaemonFCUnpopular leaders try to fashion themselves into wartime leaders to shore up their popularity.Sep 17 17:38
msb__DaemonFC: Will you read the seanet article?Sep 17 17:39
DaemonFCSo he's been annexing territory by force and telling the people who live there that they can either take Russian citizenship or flee and leave their homes behind.Sep 17 17:39
msb__DaemonFC: Will you read the seanet article?Sep 17 17:39
DaemonFCThen they have a vote on how many people want to be Russians, while Russian soldiers stand there with assault rifles watching them vote.Sep 17 17:40
DaemonFCMinceR, I wonder how the election will go! :)Sep 17 17:40
msb__I guess not.Sep 17 17:40
msb__Neither of you has given any proof that the Crimean vote was done with gunmen watching the voters.Sep 17 17:41
MinceRDaemonFC: lolSep 17 17:42
MinceRjust like in crimeaSep 17 17:42
MinceRmsb__: will you read the vox article?Sep 17 17:43
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msb__I already did, and responded to it.Sep 17 17:44
MinceRwhat was your response to it?Sep 17 17:44
MinceRwait, let me guessSep 17 17:44
MinceR"CIA propaganda"Sep 17 17:44
MinceRdid i get it right?Sep 17 17:44
DaemonFCMinceR, The Crimea election was about as legitimate as the elections in Nazi Germany.Sep 17 17:45
DaemonFCMinceR, I'm not so certain that we have a secret ballot in the US anymore.Sep 17 17:46
DaemonFCThey scan your driver's license or state ID and it pulls up a thing telling them whether or not you're allowed to vote.Sep 17 17:46
MinceRif only hitler called himself stalin and used a hammer and a sickle instead of a swastika, msb__ would worship him tooSep 17 17:46
DaemonFCThen they put a key in the voting machine and turn it, which brings up your ballot.Sep 17 17:46
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DaemonFCMinceR, If I'm still in Huntington in 2019, I think I'll run for mayor.Sep 17 17:49
DaemonFCNo Democrats filed to run this year.Sep 17 17:49
DaemonFCIf I'm the only one that files, I'm guaranteed to be the nominee. :PSep 17 17:50
DaemonFCI think it could be fun to have the local newspapers asking me questions.Sep 17 17:50
DaemonFC"Why are your running?"Sep 17 17:50
DaemonFCWell, because the Republicans were the only candidate and I thought I'd give the people one more choice than they have in Communist China.Sep 17 17:51
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msb__MinceR has said today that I worship Hitler, Stalin and Putin, and that I want to enslave, nuke, and kill everyone in the world.  He keeps making these statements even though I deny them, and even though he can't provide any proof for them.  They are only his total misinterpretations of things I've written.  But he keeps on lying about me.  Will he ever stop?Sep 17 18:08
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MinceRwill msb__ ever stop lying about his agenda and about putin?Sep 17 18:58
MinceRi guess once msb__'s homeboy manages to nuke humankind out of existence, msb__ will stopSep 17 18:58
msb__And yet it's MinceR who has said that most people are worthless and that he would like to hurt and kill a lot of them.Sep 17 19:20
MinceRthere's no need toSep 17 19:20
MinceRthey'll exterminate themselvesSep 17 19:20
MinceRin exactly the way msb__ wishes it to happenSep 17 19:20
msb__On the other hand, I have presented information from David Korten, Riane Eisler and others about the origins of humanity's problems and how they can be fixed, so that people will stop harming one another.  MinceR won't watch the Korten video.Sep 17 19:22
MinceRalso, msb__ is lying and putting words in my mouthSep 17 19:23
MinceRas one would expect from a putin propagandist russo-wankerSep 17 19:23
msb__What  words have I  put in your mouth?Sep 17 19:23
MinceRthat i would like to hurt and kill a lot of peopleSep 17 19:25
MinceRand that i won't watch the korten videoSep 17 19:25
msb__When are you going to watch it?Sep 17 19:25
msb__You said you needed a lot of killbots.Sep 17 19:25
MinceRwhen i have time to watch themSep 17 19:26
MinceRit would take a large army to guarantee my freedom and safetySep 17 19:26
MinceRespecially against your idols.Sep 17 19:26
msb__Do you think people are out to get you?Sep 17 19:27
msb__You're afraid to reveal your name, age, or e-mail address.Sep 17 19:28
MinceRi know people are out to get meSep 17 19:28
MinceRa minority of those people even admit this publiclySep 17 19:29
msb__Who are those people?Sep 17 19:29
MinceRmostly fascistsSep 17 19:30
MinceRputin is one of themSep 17 19:30
MinceRthere are plenty of religious fundamentalists who would kill me as wellSep 17 19:30
MinceRthen again, putin is also a religious fundamentalistSep 17 19:31
msb__They know you personally?Sep 17 19:31
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirill_I_of_Moscow#Relations_with_the_StateSep 17 19:31
MinceRnoSep 17 19:31
MinceRthey don't need to for them to wish me to suffer and dieSep 17 19:31
MinceRfor many of them it's enough that i don't share their worship of their invisible friendsSep 17 19:31
MinceRor that i don't want to be enslaved by themSep 17 19:31
MinceRor bothSep 17 19:31
msb__With the way you feel about people, it's likely that you're suffering already.Sep 17 19:32
MinceRindeedSep 17 19:34
MinceRbut for people like you, that can hardly be enoughSep 17 19:34
MinceRand there still are a few human rights left to destroySep 17 19:34
msb__I don't want you to be unhappy.  I've been trying to give you information showing that humans are not inherently worthless as you say they are.  But you won't access the information.Sep 17 19:37
MinceRdo you think that finding myself again under russian fascist oppression would make me happy?Sep 17 19:37
msb__obviously notSep 17 19:38
MinceRdo you think that living and starving in nuclear winter would make me happy?Sep 17 19:39
msb__But viewing and understanding the Korten video, and reading The  Chalice and the Blade might make you happy.Sep 17 19:39
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MinceRwill that bring back the Age of Reason?Sep 17 19:42
MinceRwill that bring back the Long Peace?Sep 17 19:42
msb__If enough people learn about those things then it will.Sep 17 19:44
MinceRwhen will putin and his cadre learn about those things?Sep 17 19:45
msb__What is the Long Peace?Sep 17 19:46
MinceRthe period between ww2 and the second cold warSep 17 19:46
MinceRsee  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Better_Angels_of_Our_NatureSep 17 19:46
msb__When enough people learn about those ideas, they will become current and Putin will learn about them.Sep 17 19:47
MinceRwill that make him give up his ambitions for omnicide?Sep 17 19:47
MinceRand what about the other fundies?Sep 17 19:47
msb__We'll just have to spread those ideas and see.  They are the only thing that can save us.Sep 17 19:49
MinceRmaybe the biosphere of the earth will survive the extinction of humans and gets intelligent life right next timeSep 17 19:50
msb__I would add to Pinker's values the ability to examine one's own mind and to learn where we have acquired our beliefs from.Sep 17 19:51
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msb__Psychopathy is a very simple and obvious individual-survival trait.  So it may evolve inevitably.  Thus what we need are defenses against it.  The most important is self-observation and self-guiding.Sep 17 19:53
MinceRit's also a simple and obvious collective extinction trait, especially if the psychopath has nukes and doesn't care about his own survivalSep 17 19:57
MinceRhttp://www.pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/tc1-1.jpgSep 17 20:00
msb__I think they do care about their own survival and their family's.  Otherwise we'd be blown up already.  So if people can learn about human nature, we should be able to eliminate the nukes. Sep 17 20:07
MinceRfundies of abrahamic religions don'tSep 17 20:07
MinceRbecause they believe that this life doesn't matter and they get rewarded in the afterlife if they dieSep 17 20:07
MinceRand they believe that their enemies will go to hell and be punished if they dieSep 17 20:08
MinceRi wonder if this is putin's reasonSep 17 20:08
MinceRor he's simply too psychotic to understand where he's goingSep 17 20:08
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MinceRperhaps he believes his own fascistic posturing and has no doubt everyone will just capitulateSep 17 20:11
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cubexyzif anyone has access you might want to delete that oneSep 18 07:00
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     What Linux Means 24 Years LaterSep 18 09:09
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Age Of Wonders III Now Has Mods, Linux SupportSep 18 09:09
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Disney “Linux Light Bulb” home networking isSep 18 09:22
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     TurnKey Linux 14.0 Is a Massive Release BasedSep 18 09:35
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msb__Excellent RT program "Crosstalk" on "Ukraine's hard choices".  One journalist showed a picture of a billboard put up by the Ukraine Security Service in a city next to Crimea, which says "separatism, russophilia, federalism -- we will cure you of it" and shows a man in prison, with his hands clutching the bars.   http://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/315813-kiev-regime-minsk-agreement/   Downloadable with VideoDownloadHelper      Sep 18 10:12
msb__The participants describe various ways that the Kiev govt is emulating the principles of Stefan Bandera, the Ukrainian who worked with the German Nazis during WW2.Sep 18 10:14
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat Looks Poised to Rise After Monday'sSep 18 10:14
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Open source is way forward: Red HatSep 18 10:14
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msb__But not simplicity, modularity, transparency.Sep 18 10:15
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XRevan86Damn, Windows 10 doesn't violate Russian Federation law about information security because EULA.Sep 18 14:53
XRevan86Source: http://rapsinews.ru/incident_news/20150918/274582334.htmlSep 18 14:54
XRevan86That doesn't really make much sense.Sep 18 14:55
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msb__MS must have lots of lawyers, probably more lawyers than programmers.Sep 18 16:06
MinceRindeedSep 18 16:33
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msb__Regarding the idea that RT is "Putin propaganda", one of the journalists on this program said that Putin is responsible for the 8,000 people of The Donbass (another east Ukraine region that wants to join Russia) that the Nazi Ukrainian govt murdered, because Putin said three times that he would be responsible for the safety of the people in the Donbass, and that led them to peacefully request separation, whereupon the Nazis began Sep 18 17:41
msb__shelling them.       http://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/315813-kiev-regime-minsk-agreement/Sep 18 17:41
msb__The Nazi Ukraine government has also banned the leaders of The Donbass -- with whom they're supposed to be negotiating, according to the Minsk agreement -- from entering the country, along with about 600 others, including hundreds of journalists from BBC, AFP, etc., on the grounds of "national security" (IOW they wrote stories unfavorable to the Nazi regime).Sep 18 17:48
msb__I should have added that the journalist on the RT show said that after the Kiev Nazis began attacking the Donbass, Putin did nothing to stop themSep 18 17:55
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Litvinenko_poisoningSep 18 18:38
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MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55izx6rbCqgSep 18 18:40
msb__Looks like the killer(s) of Litvinenko have not been identified.  "in one way or another the Russian state is involved" is totally vague.Sep 18 18:59
msb__As to the RT person who resigned, apparently she was the one who said that "Russian intervention in Crimea is wrong".   Well she was incorrect -- the Russian intervention to annex Crimea after its citizens had overwhelmingly voted for it, to escape the Nazi regime that the US had installed in Ukraine, was absolutely right, and it should have annexed The Donbass as well.  So she was lying, and RT is much better off without her.  I Sep 18 19:03
msb__wonder if the CIA got her in there just to embarass RT at some point.Sep 18 19:04
msb__Regarding her claim that "RT whitewashes the actions of Putin", she gave no proof for this whatsoever, and her statement about Crimea indicates that her understanding of politics is so erroneous that her opinion is worthless.Sep 18 19:09
MinceRblah blah blah putin should be allowed to rule the world, blah blah blah everyone who opposes him is lyingSep 18 19:14
MinceRblah blah blah every conspiracy theory ever conceived is literally true, especially if they contradict each otherSep 18 19:15
msb__Litvinenko was supporting Boris Berezovsky, one of the "oligarchs" who got rich when Boris Yeltsin, acting as an agent of the US, wrecked the Russian economy by selling off Russian state assets at 10% of their value. See Chapter 11 of The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism by Naomi Klein.    Sep 18 19:22
msb__"Litvinenko's father, now residing in Italy, believes Boris Berezovsky and Alexander Goldfarb were behind the murder."Sep 18 19:22
MinceRso the rightful punishment for supporting the wrong oligarch is execution by polonium poisoning. got it.Sep 18 19:23
MinceRso much for Mr Killing-People-Is-Wrong.Sep 18 19:23
msb__MinceR's fantasy about what I said is totally incorrect.  I simply said that the killer(s) of Litvinenko have not been identified, and that Litvinenko's father believes that criminal oligarch Boris Berezovsky killed him.  These statements are from the wikipedia article that MinceR cited.Sep 18 19:26
MinceRby the way, does putin know that msb__ is not following the official state religion?Sep 18 19:27
MinceRyou're supposed to worship yahweh, not putinSep 18 19:27
MinceR(then again, maybe they're believed to be the same person)Sep 18 19:27
msb__You're funny!  (sometimes)Sep 18 19:28
msb__Regarding yahweh, there was a christian sect called the Cathars, who believed that the god of the old iestament was really the devil Satan, who had created the world as a prison, and demanded from the "prisoners"  fearful obedience and worship. This false god was in reality a blind usurper who under the most false pretexts, tormented and murdered those whom he called, all too possessively, "his children".  I like these ideas (as Sep 18 19:48
msb__metaphor).  The Cathars were all murdered by the Catholic church in the 13th and 14th century.Sep 18 19:48
MinceRreligion poisons everythingSep 18 19:49
msb__A few religions are interesting and/or beneficial.  Catharism is interesting and Wicca is both.Sep 18 19:49
MinceRreligion can be interesting even if you don't believe in itSep 18 19:50
msb__The JCI religions _do_ poison everything.Sep 18 19:50
msb__Yes.Sep 18 19:50
XRevan86Religion is never beneficial, it can only be harmless at most.Sep 18 19:50
MinceRindeedSep 18 19:51
msb__Wicca is beneficial.  I've attended the celebrations of several variants.  It has a very positive view of humanity, does not demand worship of any kind, encourages people to help one another.  It provides a good metaphor for living, a story, to use David Korten's term.  It's for the associative/dreaming/lyrical mind (right-brain), which is as important for happy living as the sequential/logical mind.Sep 18 19:55
MinceRa positive view of humanity is probably delusionalSep 18 19:58
msb__MinceR and XRevan86: please watch the David Korten video  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPiZJ5N9TkYSep 18 19:58
msb__A negative view of humanity is depressive, self-defeating, and in a way suicidal.Sep 18 19:59
MinceRhumanity itself is suicidal, so it fitsSep 18 20:00
msb__Speak for yourself.Sep 18 20:00
XRevan86Admitting you have a problem is the first step in fixing the problem.Sep 18 20:00
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msb__MinceR, XRevan86:  This is the problem and the solution.  Extensively revised, but I still have to put in the links.  http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.htmlSep 18 22:10
MinceRhumanity resists the solutionSep 18 22:11
MinceRbut they're rushing towards another solution: extinction.Sep 18 22:11
msb__It's up to us to broadcast the solution.  We are the heroes we've been waiting for.Sep 18 22:12
MinceRwe're "heroes" without powerSep 18 22:12
MinceRand the time is almost upSep 18 22:12
msb__Some people are conscious enough to understand the solution, and will spread it to others.Sep 18 22:13
MinceRthe majority will resist itSep 18 22:13
msb__Our power is the Internet and Free Software.  The time is not almost up.  We are not in actual danger of nuclear war.  We've had The Bomb for 70 years and haven't used it since 1945.Sep 18 22:14
MinceRboth are dyingSep 18 22:14
MinceRredcrap, m$ and crApple are killing free softwareSep 18 22:14
msb__The majority will gradually be educated by the minority.Sep 18 22:15
MinceRfascists are killing the internetSep 18 22:15
MinceRpeople resist educationSep 18 22:15
msb__Nobody can stop free software.Sep 18 22:15
MinceRreligion is stronger than enlightenmentSep 18 22:15
msb__The Internet is doing fine.Sep 18 22:15
MinceRfor how long?Sep 18 22:15
MinceRnet neutrality is dyingSep 18 22:15
MinceRstate content filters are being implementedSep 18 22:15
MinceRfreedom of speech is dyingSep 18 22:15
msb__MinceR: You are a severe depression case.  You only see negative possibilities and ignore positive ones.Sep 18 22:16
MinceRdepression is a natural consequence of the state of mattersSep 18 22:16
MinceRhumanity is not fit to surviveSep 18 22:16
msb__Your perception of the world and of humanity is therefore severely erroneous.Sep 18 22:16
MinceRit is only fit to destroy itself and take as much out with itself as possibleSep 18 22:17
msb__Maybe you aren't, but others are.Sep 18 22:17
MinceRi don't think i'm dictator materialSep 18 22:17
MinceRand democracy is already failing due to people not wanting itSep 18 22:17
MinceRanarchism is a distant dream on a level humanity can't even aspire to reachSep 18 22:18
msb__Hell, you won't even watch the Korten video to get a little enlightenment.Sep 18 22:19
msb__You're an emotional wreck.Sep 18 22:19
MinceRyou're looking for people good at persuading othersSep 18 22:20
MinceRi'm not suchSep 18 22:20
msb__I've spent 60 years learning about humanity's problems and their solutions, from many researchers.  I've given you the answers.  If you're not interested, too bad for you.  I'll put in the links and  put it on my website for everyone.   http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html Sep 18 22:22
MinceRand yet you support putin, a dictatorSep 18 22:23
msb__I support the good things that he and others are doing.Sep 18 22:24
MinceRbut on some level that's understandableSep 18 22:24
MinceRit seems most people don't want democracy or anarchismSep 18 22:24
MinceRso they want dictatorshipSep 18 22:24
msb__I don't support the dictatorial things Putin is doing.Sep 18 22:24
MinceRputin would give them what they wantSep 18 22:24
MinceRthey want to be oppressed, they want to suffer, they want to dieSep 18 22:24
MinceRputin can do thatSep 18 22:24
msb__MinceR: You have a severe depressive mental illness.  You should see a psychologist.Sep 18 22:25
MinceRbeing a realist is a mental illness now?Sep 18 22:25
MinceRdoes putin offer pills that make you enjoy living in a dystopia?Sep 18 22:25
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msb__You are _not_ a realist.  Your view of reality is severely distorted.Sep 18 22:26
MinceR"There is no salvation in becoming adapted to a world which is crazy." - Henry MillerSep 18 22:27
msb__Humanity is making progress.  Jeremy Corbyn and Bernie Sanders are very popular.  The Internet is working!Sep 18 22:28
MinceRyes, progressSep 18 22:28
MinceRbut in what direction?Sep 18 22:28
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MinceRthe internet is being closed down, human rights are becoming extinct, there is a war on the general purpose computerSep 18 22:29
msb__In the direction that humanitarian politicians are becoming very popular.  With the very majority that you claim is uneducable.Sep 18 22:29
MinceRoppression and surveillance are celebratedSep 18 22:29
MinceRwhat humanitarian politicians, where?Sep 18 22:29
msb__Only by you.Sep 18 22:29
MinceRis orban a humanitarian? is putin a humanitarian?Sep 18 22:30
msb__Jeremy Corbyn and Bernie Sanders, UK and US.Sep 18 22:30
MinceRthey probably won't winSep 18 22:30
MinceRi'd wait until the elections are over to pronounce a verdict on their becoming very popularSep 18 22:31
msb__Corbyn has already won.  He's the head of the Labour Party.Sep 18 22:32
MinceRbut will he be PM?Sep 18 22:32
msb__In any case, they are quite popular and their ideas are being broadcast.Sep 18 22:32
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MinceRis that popularity enough to beat their fascist competitors?Sep 18 22:32
msb__Maybe not, but he will still have influence.Sep 18 22:32
MinceRhell, Sanders is still up against such opposition in his own partySep 18 22:33
MinceRunless they win, that influence will be drowned out by the voices of those who want oppressionSep 18 22:33
MinceReven if they win, that threat remainsSep 18 22:33
msb__Their ideas spread even if they don't win.Sep 18 22:33
msb__MinceR: You have a severe mental illness.  See a psychologist.  Watch the Korten video.  Smoke some cannabis.Sep 18 22:34
MinceRsmoking cannabis won't kill putin or orbanSep 18 22:35
msb__It may help your depression.Sep 18 22:35
MinceRsmoking cannabis won't make botnets and spyware uncoolSep 18 22:35
MinceRit would help the authorities of nazi hungary oppress meSep 18 22:35
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msb__You are oppressing yourself more than any outside influence.Sep 18 22:36
msb__Here we are at what will hopefully be the Great Turning of humanity, and all you're doing is whining about negative things and ignoring all the positive ones.  Get a fucking grip man!Sep 18 22:38
MinceRi did get a gripSep 18 22:39
msb__Eat some chocolate.  Watch a good movie.  Snuggle a cat.Sep 18 22:39
MinceRand i saw things i wished i didn't seeSep 18 22:39
MinceRthe concrete box i'm trying to live in is unsuitable for cats to live inSep 18 22:39
msb__Get two of them so they have fun together.  Then the small space won't matter.Sep 18 22:40
msb__Do you have a mate?  Love and orgasms would help you feel better.Sep 18 22:42
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MinceRnoSep 18 22:42
MinceRall these things you listed are merely distractions anywaySep 18 22:43
msb__The beginning of Wilhelm Reich's discovery of the Emotional Plague was when he was treating a neurotic with standard Freudian therapy, and the guy got a girlfriend and started having sex, and his symptoms disappeared!Sep 18 22:45
MinceRand yet the world is still going to shitSep 18 22:46
msb__You need to do things to get rid of your depression.  I don't recommend SSRI drugs because they're addictive.Sep 18 22:46
MinceRnothing i can do will make the root cause go awaySep 18 22:46
msb__The world is also improving in some ways.Sep 18 22:47
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MinceR"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." - Jiddu KrishnamurtiSep 18 22:47
msb__The root cause is that you spend your time obsessing about Putin and Orban when you could be doing other, positive, things.Sep 18 22:48
MinceRno, the root cause is that i'm trapped in a society that is obsessed with stupidity for the sake of stupidity and evil for the sake of evilSep 18 22:48
msb__Society is sick in some ways, but it's also getting better.  You need to do the same.Sep 18 22:48
msb__Kill for the love of killing!  Kill for the love of Kali Linux!Sep 18 22:49
MinceR:)Sep 18 22:49
MinceRperhaps the best thing humanity can manage to do is to develop a strong AI that can survive the human speciesSep 18 22:50
msb__Yeah, what could possibly go wrong with that?Sep 18 22:51
MinceRcompared to the human species itself, nothingSep 18 22:51
msb__I'll bet you didn't even read the new version of my Cause and Cure page, which I spent hours on today, did you?Sep 18 22:53
MinceRwell, if you wrote it today, i didn't read itSep 18 22:53
msb__Then read it.Sep 18 22:53
msb__http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.htmlSep 18 22:54
MinceRat least a strong AI can improve itselfSep 18 22:55
MinceRapparently the human species can'tSep 18 22:55
MinceRi've read this beforeSep 18 23:07
msb__I've added a lot.Sep 18 23:08
msb__If I found an IRC channel for help with depression, would you access it?Sep 18 23:08
MinceRprobably notSep 18 23:09
MinceRsymptomatic treatment is usually not my thingSep 18 23:09
msb__Your problem is that you're obsessively focussing your attention on negative things.Sep 18 23:10
msb__That's what's causing your symptoms.Sep 18 23:10
MinceRmy problem is that i observe the reality i'm living in?Sep 18 23:11
MinceRi wouldn't have it any other waySep 18 23:11
msb__No, it's that you observe only narrowly selected parts of reality.Sep 18 23:11
msb__Do you have enough food to eat?  Water to drink?Sep 18 23:13
msb__Putin and Orban aren't actually doing anything to you right now.Sep 18 23:13
msb__You have good computer access.Sep 18 23:13
MinceRthat's probably falseSep 18 23:13
msb__Are you physically ill?Sep 18 23:13
MinceRthey're both plotting my painful deathSep 18 23:14
msb__What's false?Sep 18 23:14
msb__They don't even know you!Sep 18 23:14
MinceRor maybe orban is sucking putin down at this momentSep 18 23:14
MinceRthey know enough about me to desire my deathSep 18 23:14
MinceRi support their oppositionSep 18 23:14
MinceRi support democracy and libertySep 18 23:15
MinceRthat's sufficient to make them hate meSep 18 23:15
msb__Alright, you're a bull-goose looney and you want to stay that way.  My condolences.  I seem to be wasting my time with you, so I'll wish you well and do something else.Sep 18 23:17
MinceRuh huhSep 18 23:20
MinceRit takes a huge leap to realize that putin and orban hate people who oppose them and wish to harm themSep 18 23:20
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MinceRhttp://existentialcomics.com/comic/19Sep 19 02:07
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msb__MinceR: Have you ever thought of emigrating to the West -- maybe Canada?Sep 19 03:09
msb__You'd be far from Putin and Orban.Sep 19 03:10
MinceRi haveSep 19 03:10
MinceRbut currently i lack the funds to do so reliablySep 19 03:10
MinceRalso, no spot on this planet would be safe from the nuclear apocalypse putin is trying to trigger.Sep 19 03:10
MinceRalso, i realized canada no longer has rule of law, thanks to harper.Sep 19 03:11
msb__But 2 of your 3 catastrophic fantasies would be gone.Sep 19 03:11
cubexyzwe're having an election soonSep 19 03:11
cubexyzcould go NDP or LiberalSep 19 03:12
MinceRhttp://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/05/13/omnibus-budget-bill-rewri_n_7275002.htmlSep 19 03:12
MinceRit's like he's copying orbanSep 19 03:12
MinceR(who's copying putin)Sep 19 03:12
MinceRdidn't the leader of the "liberal"s recently come out as not really different from harper?Sep 19 03:12
cubexyzTrudeau? I doubt thatSep 19 03:13
cubexyzthey are quite differentSep 19 03:13
msb__That article is only about a tiny part of the legal system.  You can't extrapolate from that to " canada no longer has rule of law, thanks to harper"Sep 19 03:14
MinceRretroactive lawmaking is not a tiny part of the legal systemSep 19 03:15
MinceRit is something that may not exist in a functioning legal systemSep 19 03:15
MinceRit is something that completely annuls rule of law and legal certaintySep 19 03:15
MinceRit is impossible to obey laws that do not even exist yet.Sep 19 03:15
MinceRretroactive lawmaking punishes you for not obeying laws that even the establishment does not now about yet.Sep 19 03:16
cubexyzit's split 30/30/30 with some undecidedSep 19 03:16
cubexyzConservative/Liberal/NDP it's a 3-way raceSep 19 03:16
cubexyzgood chance Harper will not winSep 19 03:16
msb__OK.  So whatever you do and wherever you go, you're going to seize on some minor fact and hyperbolize and exaggerate it until it's a catastrophe for you.  I give up.Sep 19 03:17
MinceRhttp://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/06/16/trudeau-mulcair-spar-over-who-is-the-real-anti-harper-walkom.htmlSep 19 03:17
MinceR"The Liberals voted to support Harper’s most recent anti-terror bill"Sep 19 03:17
MinceRsome "liberals"Sep 19 03:17
MinceRi have yet to see an "anti-terror" law that is not simply an excuse to erode human rightsSep 19 03:18
msb__Fortunately Putin is living under your bed or in your closet, and you can bop him if he tries to get you.Sep 19 03:18
MinceRno, he does notSep 19 03:18
MinceRthough his entourage did move not too far from here when he did a conjugal visit at orbanSep 19 03:19
MinceR(and they locked down half the city, of course)Sep 19 03:19
MinceRwhenever some big fascists show up in the city, everything is shut downSep 19 03:19
MinceRdespite the fact that those assholes could meed _anywhere_Sep 19 03:19
MinceRi'll probably move on the basis of getting a better salarySep 19 03:20
MinceReven if i can't have human rights, at least i can live in lesser squalorSep 19 03:20
MinceRand maybe buy some freedom for myself.Sep 19 03:20
msb__Sounds like a good plan!Sep 19 03:21
MinceRs/now/know/; s/meed/meet/Sep 19 03:25
cubexyzI was wondering about 'meed' :)Sep 19 03:25
MinceRyeah, typos and misspellings are bad because they cause ambiguitySep 19 03:27
MinceRand i wouldn't call retroactive lawmaking a "minor fact"Sep 19 03:31
MinceRespecially if the constitutional court or equivalent does nothing to stop itSep 19 03:31
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msb__MinceR: I've identified three erroneous thinking methods you use to convince yourself that you live in a terrible world:Sep 19 04:23
msb__1. If something bad might happen, even with a low probability, you assume it _will_ happen.Sep 19 04:24
msb__2. If something negative occurs, you assume that it will be expanded and exaggerated as much as possible.Sep 19 04:24
msb__3. If something isn't perfect, you tell yourself that it doesn't exist at all.Sep 19 04:24
msb__MinceR: I can give quotes from you in the last hour or two to illustrate each of those.Sep 19 04:26
msb__MinceR: Here's another: 4. You describe what you assume are people's bad intentions, as if they are directed against you personally.  That causes your associative mind, which takes statements literally, to become very frightened.Sep 19 04:30
msb__MinceR: There is an entire branch of psychology -- Rational-Emotive Therapy -- that's based on the tremendous effect that the things you say to yourself have on your emotions.  If you make your internal statements more accurate, and eliminate some negative ones altogether, you will find yourself feeling much better.Sep 19 04:37
msb__http://albertellis.org/     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_EllisSep 19 04:40
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msb__MinceR: Here's a quick introduction to Rational Emotive Therapy:  http://www.rational.org.nz/prof-docs/Intro-CBT.pdfSep 19 05:40
msb__I've used RET myself, and found it very effective.Sep 19 05:44
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MinceRmsb__: people's intentions don't have to be directed against me personally. it's enough if they're directed against a group i'm a member of.Sep 19 13:45
msb__but you still worry about them far more than is justifiedSep 19 13:46
msb__have to go to bathroom now, back in about 30 minutes.  Not trying to avoid you!Sep 19 13:47
XRevan86MinceR, msb__: What're you talking about? :)Sep 19 13:47
MinceRXRevan86: msb__ is confusing being a realist with being pessimistSep 19 13:49
MinceRs/pessimist/depressed/Sep 19 13:49
XRevan86MinceR: Religious stuff again?Sep 19 13:49
MinceRnot entirelySep 19 13:49
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msb__MinceR: back nowSep 19 14:26
msb__XRevan86: I wrote a list of thinking errors that's causing MinceR to be depressed.  It's a shame you don't have scrollback so you can't see it.Sep 19 14:27
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MinceRmsb__'s proposed solution for being depressed by the state of the world is to distract and delude oneself about itSep 19 14:28
msb__MinceR: If the probability of a bad event is very low, then worrying about it constantly is pessimism, not realism.Sep 19 14:28
MinceRwho said it was low?Sep 19 14:28
msb__For example WW3.  US and Russia have been threatening each other for 70 years and it hasn't happened.Sep 19 14:29
MinceRthings have changed recentlySep 19 14:30
msb__1. If something bad might happen, even with a low probability, you assume it _will_ happen.Sep 19 14:31
msb__2. If something negative occurs, you assume that it will be expanded and exaggerated as much as possible.Sep 19 14:31
msb__3. If something isn't perfect, you tell yourself that it doesn't exist at all. Sep 19 14:31
msb__4. You describe what you assume are people's bad intentions, as if they are directed against you personally.  That causes your associative mind, which takes statements literally, to become very frightened.Sep 19 14:31
msb__US is attacking Russa via Ukraine Nazi coup.  But that is very far from nuclear war.Sep 19 14:33
msb__MinceR: Did you read that pdf about RET?Sep 19 14:34
MinceRwhat's putin threatening with is far closer to nuclear warSep 19 14:34
MinceRdunnoSep 19 14:34
msb__ http://www.rational.org.nz/prof-docs/Intro-CBT.pdfSep 19 14:35
msb__What is Putin threatening with?Sep 19 14:36
MinceRnuclear escalationSep 19 14:36
MinceRand nuking european statesSep 19 14:36
msb__Israel has threatened that.  Where has Putin threatened it?Sep 19 14:37
MinceRi've already linked to articles about it, but you ignored them because they say bad things about putinSep 19 14:39
XRevan86Putin threatened with a nuke?Sep 19 14:39
msb__BTW here is page about CIA influence on Western media:   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_MockingbirdSep 19 14:40
MinceRhttp://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-threatens-to-use-nuclear-force-over-crimea-and-the-baltic-states-10150565.htmlSep 19 14:42
MinceRhttp://www.vox.com/2015/6/29/8858909/russia-war-flowchartSep 19 14:43
MinceRhttp://www.ibtimes.co.uk/russia-issues-nuclear-threat-over-crimea-baltic-states-1494675Sep 19 14:43
MinceRhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11547247/Europe-faces-a-real-threat-from-Russia-warns-US-army-commander.htmlSep 19 14:44
MinceReven denmark is being threatenedSep 19 14:44
MinceR"Meanwhile, Russia has been flying its nuclear-capable strategic bombers along NATO airspace, often with the planes' transponders switched off, making an accident or misperception more likely. As if that weren't dangerous enough, the bombers — hulking, decades-old Tupolev Tu-95 models — have become prone to accidents such as engine fires. What if a Tu-95 went down unexpectedly, say, off the coast of Norway? What if it was carrying nuclear warheSep 19 14:45
MinceR-- http://www.vox.com/2015/6/29/8845913/russia-warSep 19 14:45
msb__Nukes don't detonate if a  plane crashes.Sep 19 14:46
MinceRthey merely release falloutSep 19 14:46
MinceRwhich is greatSep 19 14:46
msb__Very little.Sep 19 14:46
MinceRbut it doesn't matter to you because you don't live thereSep 19 14:46
MinceRand you've already dehumanized non-russiansSep 19 14:46
msb__The bomb core is solid metal.  Fallout is fine  particles in the air.Sep 19 14:47
MinceRthey're expendable in the pursuit of the glory of the russian empire to youSep 19 14:47
MinceRand to putler as wellSep 19 14:47
MinceRi'm sure a bomb could not be damaged in a plane crashSep 19 14:47
MinceRapparently plane crashes can't damage anythingSep 19 14:47
MinceRthey're like nerf dartsSep 19 14:47
msb__Now you're exaggerating -- Straw Man fallacySep 19 14:48
MinceRfallacy fallacySep 19 14:48
msb__yes yesSep 19 14:48
MinceRhttp://www.nationalreview.com/article/420510/putin-wields-nuclear-threat-and-plays-fire-keith-b-payneSep 19 14:48
MinceRhttp://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/16/us-russia-nuclear-putin-idUSKBN0OW17X20150616Sep 19 14:48
msb__The Reuters article says that the US is moving heavy weapons to Russia's border, and Putin's threats are a response to that.Sep 19 14:53
MinceRwhich of those heavy weapons is nuclear?Sep 19 14:53
msb__The US agressed against Russia by installing a Nazi govt in Ukraine.  That's what started all this, not Putin.  You keep ignoring that.Sep 19 14:54
MinceRthat's bullshit and you're also ignoring the pointSep 19 14:54
MinceRthe only one issuing nuclear threats is putinSep 19 14:54
MinceRso if the sky gets dark for 8 years over there in the usa, and you can't get food and starve to death, you can know it was because of the fascist asshole you worship and advertise here every daySep 19 14:55
MinceRand yet when i say humans tend to want to become extinct, you say i'm depressedSep 19 14:55
XRevan86This is not really bullshit. NATO is caging Russia for a fact, and guess who doesn't like that.Sep 19 14:56
MinceRat least the NATO doesn't force its own regime and rulers on its alliesSep 19 14:56
MinceRand the NATO doesn't annex regions it fanciesSep 19 14:56
XRevan86Libya wasn't an ally, that makes sense.Sep 19 14:56
MinceRguess who forcibly introduced state socialism on the region that was allocated to them by the great powers after ww2Sep 19 14:57
MinceRthat's right, russiaSep 19 14:57
MinceRnot the usaSep 19 14:57
MinceRnot any other nato memberSep 19 14:57
MinceRguess who quelled revolutions against that regimeSep 19 14:57
MinceRthat's right, fucking russia againSep 19 14:58
MinceRand yet not a day goes by without msb__ saying how the USA and the NATO is the devilSep 19 14:58
XRevan86Shock therapy: an enforcing of market economy at a very fast rateSep 19 14:58
msb__MinceR: STOP THE PERSONAL ATTACKS.Sep 19 14:58
MinceRenforcing a command economy wasn't even "therapy"Sep 19 14:58
XRevan86was done by NATO to its allies lots of timesSep 19 14:58
MinceRit was merely the destruction of all economies in the eastern blocSep 19 14:59
MinceRincluding that of hungary and the baltic statesSep 19 14:59
XRevan86MinceR: Exactly like "shock therapy"Sep 19 14:59
MinceRluckily it also destroyed the economy of the ussrSep 19 14:59
XRevan86that's how conversion is doneSep 19 14:59
MinceRso those assholes took their military out of these countriesSep 19 14:59
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MinceRbut now they're coming backSep 19 14:59
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Snapdeal Reveals Dedicated Website forSep 19 14:59
TweetTuxMachines                 Ubuntu-Powered Devices http://t.co/vUL0qZxMVuSep 19 14:59
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MinceRand msb__ is cheering them on from his armchair in the usaSep 19 14:59
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat: API layer is the key to successfulSep 19 14:59
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XRevan86MinceR: This is personal.Sep 19 15:00
MinceRwhat is?Sep 19 15:00
msb__MinceR: STOP THE PERSONAL ATTACKS.Sep 19 15:00
XRevan86MinceR: You really think Russia will do something about Hungary?Sep 19 15:00
MinceRXRevan86: i doSep 19 15:00
XRevan86I don't.Sep 19 15:00
MinceRi expect our nazis to go to putin for handouts once they finally get hungary kicked out of the euSep 19 15:01
XRevan86MinceR: Your nazis, your problem.Sep 19 15:01
MinceRthose nazis areSep 19 15:01
MinceRbut the other nazis, like the ones in russia, aren't only my problemSep 19 15:02
MinceReven if some people lie to themselves and take drugs to feel better about it, everybody's under threat from putlerSep 19 15:02
XRevan86MinceR: Nazis in Russia are not powerful, hopefully.Sep 19 15:03
MinceRi'd say putler is pretty powerfulSep 19 15:03
MinceRconsidering that he owns the country and allSep 19 15:04
XRevan86MinceR: If you think Russia is Nazi, then it's as Nazi as any other country.Sep 19 15:04
MinceRhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2291128/Sep 19 15:04
MinceRconsider that russia has a lot more nukes than india and pakistan added togetherSep 19 15:05
MinceRalso, iirc the 5 years estimate was upgraded to 8 years more recently, but i can't find itSep 19 15:05
MinceRXRevan86: which part of nazism are you missing there?Sep 19 15:05
MinceRthe nationalism?Sep 19 15:05
MinceRthe extreme authoritarianism?Sep 19 15:05
XRevan86MinceR: The nationalism.Sep 19 15:06
MinceRlook harder, thenSep 19 15:06
MinceRit doesn't get any more nationalist than putinSep 19 15:06
MinceReven when the russians pretended they were called councils, not russians, they were pretty damn nationalistic and imperialisticSep 19 15:06
MinceRthat didn't get any better sinceSep 19 15:06
msb__MinceR: Nazism serves global corporations   Russia does not.  You are constantly misusing the word "Nazi".Sep 19 15:07
XRevan86MinceR: I'll think about that after the usual negro hunt.Sep 19 15:08
MinceRi have yet to see a definition of nazism that involves global corporationsSep 19 15:08
MinceRmsb__: says the guy who paints an entire government "nazi" because there is a small minority of nazis in itSep 19 15:08
msb__"Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini;Sep 19 15:09
MinceRiirc that's a different sense of "corporation"Sep 19 15:10
MinceReither way, afaik in russia most big companies are owned by putin or the state or one of putin's pals from the KGBSep 19 15:10
MinceRso there's the "merger of state and corporate power" you're looking forSep 19 15:10
msb__American fascism serves _global_ corporations.Sep 19 15:11
MinceRfor example, gazprom had a hand in threatening to shut off gas supply to ukraine and other european countries when it was convenient to putinSep 19 15:11
MinceRputin wishes his corporations were globalSep 19 15:11
MinceRand the nuclear winter he will cause _will_ be globalSep 19 15:12
MinceRyes, even in the usa, where you believe yourself to be safe from the consequences of your wishesSep 19 15:12
msb__And european companies shut off trade with russia when US requested itSep 19 15:12
MinceRas they shouldSep 19 15:12
MinceRtrading with russia is toxic to everyoneSep 19 15:12
msb__But gazprom should not?Sep 19 15:12
MinceRrussia is the aggressorSep 19 15:13
MinceRgazprom is not a victimSep 19 15:13
XRevan86MinceR: Double standards. Both sides are doing the same thing, but Russia isn't global.Sep 19 15:13
XRevan86but Russia is the one to blameSep 19 15:13
msb__US attacked Russia via the coup in Ukraine!Sep 19 15:13
MinceRevery bit of profit that goes to the russian oligarchs contributes to the global threatSep 19 15:13
XRevan86not the second to blame %)Sep 19 15:13
MinceRXRevan86: no, russia is the only one threatening us all with nukes.Sep 19 15:13
XRevan86MinceR: USA don't have to use nukes.Sep 19 15:13
MinceRand some minor fundies, but not the USA or the NATOSep 19 15:13
msb__US attacked Russia via the coup in Ukraine!  Before that there was not trouble between US and Russia.Sep 19 15:14
MinceRmsb__: russia hijacked the government of ukraine, and the people rebelled against that.Sep 19 15:14
XRevan86MinceR: What?Sep 19 15:14
msb__The previous govt was elected.Sep 19 15:14
MinceRrussia also regularly uses hungary as a spy/lobbyist in the NATO and the EUSep 19 15:14
XRevan86After Ushenko who sucked people elected YanukovichSep 19 15:14
MinceRmsb__: you know who else was elected? hitler.Sep 19 15:14
XRevan86nobody hijacked himSep 19 15:14
XRevan86MinceR: Who hijacked Hitler?Sep 19 15:15
XRevan86Russia?Sep 19 15:15
MinceRmsb__: yet i don't see you openly promoting the principles of nazismSep 19 15:15
msb__MinceR:  so you're saying that elections are irrelevant?Sep 19 15:15
MinceRXRevan86: hitler didn't need to be hijackedSep 19 15:15
MinceRmsb__: russian-style "elections" areSep 19 15:15
XRevan86MinceR: Yanukovich too.Sep 19 15:15
XRevan86MinceR: Ushenko collapsed Ukrainian economy, and Ukrainians wanted to see the other way.Sep 19 15:16
MinceRi bet msb__  wouldn't insist on letting an elected politician filling out his term if the politician didn't happen to be putin's puppetSep 19 15:16
XRevan86and the other way wasn't of their liking too apparentlySep 19 15:16
MinceRXRevan86: well, they're seeing it nowSep 19 15:16
XRevan86MinceR: Where do you see Russia in this?Sep 19 15:16
MinceRXRevan86: behind yanukovych, for exampleSep 19 15:17
msb__MinceR: That's another personal attack.  If you do one more I will ignore your garbage and never respond to you (but I will keep posting facts that refute your garbage).Sep 19 15:17
MinceRalso behind the invasion of ukraineSep 19 15:17
MinceRmsb__: you have yet to post any factsSep 19 15:17
XRevan86MinceR: And that means…Sep 19 15:17
MinceRmsb__: all you have is russowanker bullshitSep 19 15:17
msb__Goodbye, you piece of shit.Sep 19 15:17
XRevan86This is messed up.Sep 19 15:17
MinceRmsb__: https://www.lleitmotif.net/shop/images/product/1229-saveplanet-520-front.jpgSep 19 15:18
XRevan86(17:13:00) MinceR: msb__: russia hijacked the government of ukraine, and the people rebelled against that.Sep 19 15:19
msb__They rebelled against it while being machine-gunned by Svoboda/Right-Sector from rooftops.Sep 19 15:20
XRevan86Yanukovych, the elected president who's presidental campaign was pro-Russian, stalled eurointegration, after that the thing happend.Sep 19 15:20
XRevan86Russia didn't bring Yanukovych to power.Sep 19 15:20
MinceRmsb__: i thought you were ignoring me, you fascist piece of shitSep 19 15:20
XRevan86Russia didn't bring Ushenko to power, that was colour "revolution"Sep 19 15:21
msb__Experience of impoverished countries like Greece in EU is not good.Sep 19 15:22
MinceRluckily, none of that will matter once humanity exterminates itself as msb__ wishes they didSep 19 15:23
msb__EU, US, IMF push high-interest loans on countries, and when they can't pay back, demand "austerity" -- starving the poor.Sep 19 15:23
MinceRpoverty won't matter anymore once everybody is deadSep 19 15:23
msb__XRevan86: You there?Sep 19 15:28
XRevan86msb__: I am.Sep 19 15:28
XRevan86msb__: Russians will kill us all.Sep 19 15:29
msb__Here's the latest version of my history of everything 8*) :  http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.htmlSep 19 15:29
msb__Your comments are welcome!Sep 19 15:30
msb__Here is Western truth-teller Max Keiser on RT telling how high-frequency trading is ripping off US economy and giving the money to the ultra-wealthy.Sep 19 15:40
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat: API layer is the key to successfulSep 19 15:40
TweetTuxMachines                 microservices http://t.co/tzcI7NEEYOSep 19 15:40
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 19 15:40
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MinceRlol, "truth-teller on RT"Sep 19 15:40
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__martin__XRevan86: happy SFD to youSep 19 16:54
XRevan86Of my gosh, I forgot.Sep 19 16:54
XRevan86__martin__: Thank you.Sep 19 16:54
XRevan86And the same to all of you :).Sep 19 16:55
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*__martin__ swapped *buntu 15.10 (w/ bugged unity & compiz) with debian stretch gnome (yeah systemd octopus)Sep 19 16:55
__martin__XRevan86: ++Sep 19 16:55
__martin__..and sorry for not joining that social xmpp conference yet (=Sep 19 16:55
XRevan86__martin__: Compiz is still buggy? %)Sep 19 16:55
XRevan86__martin__: It's GNU social, actually :).Sep 19 16:55
XRevan86Federated microblogging social network previously known as StatusNet, identi.ca, Laconica, etc. %).Sep 19 16:56
__martin__dude :_D https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticConnections && http://www.whizzy.org/2015/09/big-bug-bonanza-16-04-lts/Sep 19 17:00
__martin__"At the time of writing there are 2680 open bugs for Unity 7 (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bugs) and 1455 for Compiz (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bugs) and 322 for nux, our graphical toolkit (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nux/+bugs)."Sep 19 17:00
XRevan86> 16.04Sep 19 17:01
XRevan86That's no LTSSep 19 17:01
XRevan86oh, it isSep 19 17:01
XRevan86but not a released one %)Sep 19 17:01
__martin__i've read sth about how the GNU social API is ready for GNUnetSep 19 17:01
__martin__yet GUI for it in form of Conversations app is missingSep 19 17:02
__martin__or in early-stagesSep 19 17:02
XRevan86__martin__: GNU social API?Sep 19 17:02
XRevan86you mean, the Twitter-compatible one or the Atom based one?Sep 19 17:02
XRevan86Also GNU social already has clients for Android, if that's the question.Sep 19 17:03
__martin__expressed myself wrong; rather the meta-fabric for peer-to-peer communication and similar status service upon itSep 19 17:05
__martin__is baked into gnunet specsSep 19 17:05
__martin__(tried myself quitter once)Sep 19 17:06
__martin__anyways, afaict statusnet's successor pump.io and gnu social are either just interoperable/federated or cross-merged right?Sep 19 17:08
__martin__[meta-fabric = layer] :DSep 19 17:09
XRevan86__martin__: Are you sure it's not Twister?Sep 19 17:10
XRevan86GNU social and pump.io are not peer-to-peer.Sep 19 17:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     AT&T's Chiosi: Unite on Open Source or SufferSep 19 17:10
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TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/Kbpf8btNbm (liliputing.com)Sep 19 17:10
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XRevan86GNU social is a fork of StatusNet, and pump.io is a totally new platform by the StatusNet main developer.Sep 19 17:11
__martin__but isn't that a goal?Sep 19 17:11
__martin__of gnunet...Sep 19 17:11
XRevan86__martin__: I don't really know what gnunet is :).Sep 19 17:11
__martin__to have every person host its own status stream within his device?Sep 19 17:11
__martin__:DSep 19 17:11
__martin__p2p decentralization frameworkSep 19 17:12
XRevan86__martin__: I don't think GNU social code can be any good.Sep 19 17:12
XRevan86for GNUnetSep 19 17:12
__martin__mesh networking is the only future of free software as opposed to "fog computing"Sep 19 17:12
XRevan86__martin__: I think there's still place for old good federation :).Sep 19 17:25
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__martin__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYKFcwrHmi0 Sep 19 22:09
*__martin__ comes up with a roller-ballmer-blade scene from silicon valley's pirates in his mind :_DSep 19 22:10
msb__Reminds me of scientology.  microshit is a goddamn cult!Sep 19 22:16
msb__Built on lies, and relying on the ignorance of its believers.Sep 19 22:18
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msb__Cheating them out of lots of money, too.Sep 19 22:21
MinceRnot just cheating, also coercingSep 19 22:21
MinceRcorrupting politicians into spending taxes on m$ crapSep 19 22:22
__martin__MinceR: what you say to this > https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/09/19/hungary-new-border-regime-threatens-asylum-seekersSep 19 22:24
__martin__& disSep 19 22:25
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__martin__https://theintercept.com/2015/09/11/how-hungary-prime-minister-turned-into-refugee-bashing-autocrat/Sep 19 22:26
MinceRout government was well known for being evil nazis alreadySep 19 22:27
MinceRthough they've certainly racked up their tendency to make enemies with everybody except putin latelySep 19 22:27
MinceRthey're building the image of the countrySep 19 22:27
MinceRwhich will be well deservedSep 19 22:28
msb__Those refugees were created by all the nations that the US and its allies destr0yed in the Middle east.  Hungary had nothing to do with it, and its economy is probably not very strong, so it has a right to turn them away.Sep 19 22:28
MinceRhopefully they'll convince the entire western world that hungary is not a safe countrySep 19 22:29
MinceRthe economy of hungary is weak because the nazis deliberately wrecked itSep 19 22:29
__martin__thanks for an honest answer // am < 30km from the northern borderSep 19 22:29
MinceRthey stole everything they couldSep 19 22:29
MinceRthey handed out market advantages and monopolies to every one of their palsSep 19 22:29
MinceRthey've eliminated legal certainty, making hungary an even worse place to invest inSep 19 22:30
MinceRsurprise surprise, foreign investors and local businesses are fleeing the countrySep 19 22:30
MinceRonly the companies who made a pact with the government for cheap slave labor remain on the long termSep 19 22:30
MinceRthis will only get worse once subway m3 breaks down for good in hungarySep 19 22:31
__martin__subway m3?Sep 19 22:31
MinceRbringing with itself the collapse of the public transport system and the road networkSep 19 22:31
MinceRwith people not being able to get to their workplaces, the outcome is obviousSep 19 22:31
MinceRand eventually the EU will tire of the treachery and cut off the money supplySep 19 22:31
msb__Also, there are probably a few ISIL and other monsters hiding with the refugees, which is going to be a disaster for the countries that do take them in.Sep 19 22:32
MinceRhungary will probably fall apart before the fundies can nuke us all to deathSep 19 22:32
__martin__hmSep 19 22:32
MinceRmaybe the nazis will ask putin for handouts then, but i doubt they'll get themSep 19 22:33
MinceRour leaders will grab the valuables they can, leave and retireSep 19 22:33
MinceRmost likelySep 19 22:33
msb__Putin will probably save Hungary's ass, and MinceR will still hate him.Sep 19 22:34
__martin__msb__: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/19/us-weapons-to-syria-repeats-historical-mistakeSep 19 22:35
MinceRif by "save" you mean "thrust into an even deeper, darker age of slavery instead of letting it die, finally"Sep 19 22:35
MinceRand if putin gets to put his military in hungary, that will be a very dark age for the remaining EUSep 19 22:36
MinceRmsb__ will watch europeans get slaughtered on the news and wank to itSep 19 22:36
__martin__fucking hate these world-domination stage maneuvers >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JZG8nrPcwYSep 19 22:38
__martin__btw, back to techSep 19 22:38
__martin__why do you folks think facebook corp. named their journalists' service signal?Sep 19 22:38
MinceRi haven't heard of itSep 19 22:39
MinceRi don't really follow dumbFuckBookSep 19 22:39
__martin__neither do i, but the moves of empire are so blatant and not covered up properlySep 19 22:39
MinceRwhy bother?Sep 19 22:40
MinceRreligious zealotry takes care of it allSep 19 22:40
MinceRlike how msb__ backs the russian empire at everything they do, no matter what it is, no matter whySep 19 22:40
__martin__they actually follow by this switching people's attention away from the openwhispersystems' signal app for iosSep 19 22:40
MinceRpeople don't care anymoreSep 19 22:40
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MinceRmost pc-s that sell are locked into m$'s or crApple's shitty OSSep 19 22:41
MinceRm$ deployed an obvious spyware/botnet and almost nobody bats an eyeSep 19 22:41
MinceRpeople talk about how privacy was dead anywaySep 19 22:41
MinceRcrApple sells phones that form a botnet and people celebrate itSep 19 22:41
__martin__so trueSep 19 22:42
MinceRthe nazis dismantle democracy, rule of law and the constitution in hungary and the masses celebrate itSep 19 22:42
MinceRdumbFuckBook violates people's privacy in every way they can and most people can't even conceive of not having a dumbFuckBook accountSep 19 22:42
msb__The real goal of the US, which Obama and others have stated many times, is to get rid of the Assad govt.  Here are eight reasons why:  http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36173.htmSep 19 22:43
MinceRhuman rights are eroded everywhere and people don't care, don't even noticeSep 19 22:43
MinceRputler threatens the entire planet with a nuclear apocalypse and people like msb__ cheer him onSep 19 22:43
MinceRreligious zealots think about nothing other than how they could exterminate and/or outbreed the other cults and people proclaim abrahamic religion the foundation of all moralitySep 19 22:44
MinceRunixes are being destroyed via cancerd and the like, and people celebrate itSep 19 22:44
MinceRalong with that, free software is being destroyedSep 19 22:45
MinceRthe FSF doesn't see anything wrong with vendor lock-inSep 19 22:45
MinceRoh, and people move their data and processing into the Fog (the better for megacorporations and governments to monitor and meddle with) and can't see the danger in itSep 19 22:46
MinceRand as if all that wasn't enough, humanity is doing everything they can to make the planet uninhabitableSep 19 22:47
MinceRand to increase the rate of breeding, to make the inevitable reaching of the limit as painful and uncontrollable as possibleSep 19 22:47
__martin__msb__: how would you imagine an utopia scenario on earth?Sep 19 22:49
__martin__n/utopianSep 19 22:49
MinceRprobably with the USSR extended all over the globe, with emperor putin ruling it allSep 19 22:50
MinceRexecuting everyone who doesn't follow the official state religionSep 19 22:50
msb____martin__: I've been working on that lately, after 55 years of research this is what I've come up with.  Kind of sketchy so far, and needs links:  http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.htmlSep 19 22:51
msb____martin__: This is very good!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPiZJ5N9TkYSep 19 22:53
__martin__did you extended the original?Sep 19 22:55
msb____martin__: If youtube is as herky-jerky for you these days as it is for me, you'll want to download the video:  http://youtube-dl.org/Sep 19 22:55
__martin__actually, the part regards vitamin intake in miligrams was interestingSep 19 22:55
msb__Extend the Korten video?  No.Sep 19 22:56
__martin__yeah i pipped the script the other daySep 19 22:56
__martin__and i meant that cause & cureSep 19 22:56
__martin__(python3-pip)Sep 19 22:56
msb__I was editing it as late as last night.Sep 19 22:57
msb__Ha!  PIP is what DEC used to call its program for transferring data on PDP-8 and other computers.  peripheral interchange program or somethingSep 19 22:58
__martin__so you basically do not count with something like living wage/basic income and rather get state abolished or at least excluded from the life of an individual?Sep 19 22:58
__martin__https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10206309 (=Sep 19 22:59
msb__Perhaps a state would work with direct Internet democracy instead of the layered representation that always seems to lead to corruption.Sep 19 23:00
__martin__so it was not really happy software freedom day after allSep 19 23:00
__martin__as you would say, minceSep 19 23:00
MinceRindeedSep 19 23:00
msb__Even with worker-owned companies, people who can't work at all still need support.Sep 19 23:00
MinceRhumanity proudly marches into its own painful extinctionSep 19 23:00
msb____martin__: Thanks, I'll add that!Sep 19 23:01
msb__cubexyz would love this!  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10206309Sep 19 23:02
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__martin__msb__: ur welcome MinceR: agreed, that would reasonably explain why they are speeding their escape.. http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/15/space-bezos-idUSL1N11L10I20150915Sep 19 23:03
MinceRonly a tiny minority cares about going into spaceSep 19 23:04
msb__Of course free software _can't_ be destroyed.  It just forks, e.g., devuan, *BSD, etc does not use systemd.Sep 19 23:04
MinceRsome people believe the earth is flatSep 19 23:04
MinceRsome people believe the moon landing was fakedSep 19 23:04
__martin__heard of that.. secret nazi base on the opposite side of moonSep 19 23:05
MinceR:>Sep 19 23:05
__martin__wonder where people come up with thatSep 19 23:05
msb__There must be some better method of space propulsion than shooting stuff out the back end.  Many thousands of people have seen "flying saucers".Sep 19 23:08
__martin__brave new worldSep 19 23:08
__martin__silicon valley's coders take nootropicsSep 19 23:08
msb__Some of them quite reliable -- military pilots, air traffic controllers, etc.Sep 19 23:08
__martin__meanwhile best dota players run on adderallSep 19 23:09
MinceRafaik the first flying saucer was a fake, and was admitted by the one[s?] who did itSep 19 23:09
msb__The first one was described in the bibble.Sep 19 23:09
msb__60ug of B12 under the tongue, plus a standard B100, is good for me.Sep 19 23:10
__martin__mince, how's e-id card in hu?Sep 19 23:12
msb__Cannabis is good too, when chosen and used properly.  Many years ago I participated in a cannabis test at the SF Veterans Hospital, and smoked some atrocious NIH pot.  Then I surprised the researchers by fixing their equipment during the experiment.Sep 19 23:13
__martin__here the schizophrenic state (pro-obama president, pro-putin pm) supports top 3 distros // and people already convert the deb package through alien into rpmsSep 19 23:13
MinceR__martin__: dunnoSep 19 23:14
MinceRmy passport has an rfid chip in it, thoughSep 19 23:14
msb____martin__: Where are you?Sep 19 23:14
__martin__msb__: slovakiaSep 19 23:15
MinceR__martin__: lolSep 19 23:15
MinceRthey won't need to do that for longSep 19 23:15
MinceRdebian is dead, it's probably a matter of years for them to move to rpmSep 19 23:15
__martin__well, but bradley took them under the conservancy's wingsSep 19 23:16
MinceRthat doesn't cure their stupidity, does it?Sep 19 23:18
__martin__the thing is Sep 19 23:19
__martin__from my point of viewSep 19 23:20
*__martin__ was writing something longerSep 19 23:21
__martin__but to put it short.. we shall see how fsf reacts to the fact that linux-libre cannot be used neither with modern intel/amd/nvidia gpuSep 19 23:22
MinceRthey don't careSep 19 23:23
MinceRthe only thing they care about is that everybody must use FSF licensesSep 19 23:23
msb____martin__: What do you mean by linux-libre, and why can't it be used with modern gpus?Sep 19 23:24
msb__Are the gpu drivers systemd-dependant?Sep 19 23:25
MinceRnot yet, afaikSep 19 23:26
MinceRbut i'm sure redcrap is working on thatSep 19 23:26
__martin__http://linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/releases/LATEST-4.N/deblob-4.2Sep 19 23:28
__martin__but we have to look on it from much higher perspectiveSep 19 23:29
__martin__when people embrace and cheer lizards like this one with open armsSep 19 23:29
MinceRthat's an insult to lizardsSep 19 23:30
__martin__it's quite useless to link ordinary useds to stuff like thisSep 19 23:30
__martin__MinceR: you are rightSep 19 23:30
MinceRhumanity decided they don't want freedom, they want to be enslaved in a dictatorship and tormented to deathSep 19 23:30
__martin__even chameleon or gecko from suse logo is more sympathetic than satya with his son on a wheelchairSep 19 23:31
MinceRi'd rather call him asatyaSep 19 23:31
__martin__https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=676&v=RLD0vL5sreQSep 19 23:31
MinceRhe certainly doesn't deal in truthSep 19 23:31
msb__The conflict of Debian/RMS/FSF with binary-blob graphic drivers has always been with us.   People work around it.Sep 19 23:32
MinceRRMS/FSF supporting vendor lock-in is recent, thoughSep 19 23:32
__martin__point me there pleaseSep 19 23:32
MinceRhttp://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=123341Sep 19 23:34
MinceRthe other stuff from RMS i'm not at liberty to shareSep 19 23:34
MinceRsee also the freenode/#fsf and freenode/#gnu channelsSep 19 23:34
MinceRboth are swarming with cancerd zealotsSep 19 23:34
__martin__to this i saySep 19 23:36
MinceR"I know it’s free software, so ethically speaking, it’s not an issue – it’s just a convenience question."Sep 19 23:36
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__martin__let's see if ruben and santiago go again with systemd in future trisquel releaseSep 19 23:36
MinceRapparently vendor lock-in, secret APIs and obfuscated code are "not an issue"Sep 19 23:36
MinceRand software can be "free" even though it doesn't respect the user's freedomSep 19 23:36
MinceRjust because it's licensed under a free software licenseSep 19 23:37
MinceReven though unlike the OSD, the FSD doesn't depend on licenses, it depends on freedoms: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.htmlSep 19 23:37
MinceRmaybe they should switch to supporting "open source" if the license is more important to them than the users' freedomsSep 19 23:37
__martin__what if rms switch directly to guix systemd distro with dmd initSep 19 23:39
__martin__s/switchesSep 19 23:39
MinceRdoesn't matter if he supports cancerd in wordsSep 19 23:39
MinceRs/if/as long as/Sep 19 23:40
__martin__system*Sep 19 23:40
__martin__lolSep 19 23:40
MinceRi think cancerd is a more telling descriptionSep 19 23:40
MinceRwow, firefox keeps getting worseSep 19 23:41
MinceRnow it can't even remember correctly which page was open in a tabSep 19 23:41
__martin__no i really think they will convince him to use one of the libreboot thinkpads with systemd & trisquel or w/o cancerd and guixSep 19 23:41
__martin__but againSep 19 23:42
__martin__fair enough pointSep 19 23:42
msb__RMS allowing systemd is not supporting vendor lockin.  Unless all systemd distros are considered to come from a single vendor.  In any case, no one is locked-in, since they can use devuan, BSD, etc.Sep 19 23:42
__martin__lgpl is on the edge of proprietarizationSep 19 23:42
MinceRnot "allowing", calling it "free software" even though it isn'tSep 19 23:42
MinceRsystemd itself comes from a single vendor: redcrap.Sep 19 23:42
MinceRand the d-bus hole makes gpl a lot more like lgpl than it was beforeSep 19 23:42
MinceRalso, gnome and kde already attempt to force the user to use cancerdSep 19 23:43
MinceRso do all wayland implementations, afaikSep 19 23:43
__martin__seen in mailing lists the thread with xorg dependancy on libsystemd or sthSep 19 23:44
msb__Use TrinityDE and XSep 19 23:44
__martin__but there are even people with @hotmail suffix on devuan's listsSep 19 23:45
__martin__..Sep 19 23:45
__martin__so scam occurs from time to timeSep 19 23:45
__martin__what's android's init?Sep 19 23:47
MinceRits own stuffSep 19 23:47
__martin__just curious because tizen has cancerd alreadySep 19 23:47
MinceRcancerd too?Sep 19 23:47
__martin__yepSep 19 23:47
MinceRi knew they had kdbus but i didn't know they also had systemdSep 19 23:47
__martin__https://www.tizen.org/blogs/tsg/2014/first-tizen-3.0-common-milestone-releaseSep 19 23:47
__martin__year old articleSep 19 23:47
MinceRthanksSep 19 23:48
msb__xorg dependancy on libsystemd is here, and seems to be fixed:  https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/thread/20150917.201354.c43cf6d9.en.htmlSep 19 23:50
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msb__A friend bought me a bottle of "honey-mustard salad dressing".  The first ingredient is high-fructose corn syrup.  The seventh ingredient is honey.Sep 13 01:24
msb__It tastes like sugar and vinegar.  Barely any mustard.Sep 13 01:25
cubexyzsounds grossSep 13 01:30
MinceRsounds low-qualitySep 13 01:32
msb__Sure is!  Both.Sep 13 01:32
msb__Some kinds of HFCS even contain mercury,  from some electrolytic process, at least in the past.Sep 13 01:33
msb__For the honey, they probably had a bee sneeze on the tank-car.Sep 13 01:35
MinceR:)Sep 13 01:36
cubexyzwell you could try buying mustard, vingegar and sugar and mixing it together :)Sep 13 02:05
cubexyzor even just mustardSep 13 02:05
cubexyzI think everything changed in the late 1970sSep 13 02:10
cubexyzsugar became more expensive and HFCS replaced sugar in processed foodsSep 13 02:10
msb__There's an organic food store around here that delivers.  I'll see what they have.  There was a packet of honey-mustard in a package of smoked salmon that was absolutely wonderful.Sep 13 02:16
cubexyzI stopped buying cookies, candy bars, crackers etcSep 13 02:20
cubexyztoo much sugar/too much saltSep 13 02:20
msb__I get these "Endangered Species" chocolate bars.  My current favorite is cherry, with a puffin on it.  It's for medical purposes.  Chocolate is antiinflammatory, and I'm terribly inflamed.  8^)Sep 13 02:26
msb__Chocolate chip cookies are like heroin to me.  The whole box/bag goes in a day or less.  I can't buy them.Sep 13 02:29
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MinceRi'm pretty sure almost all food is organic :>Sep 13 03:17
MinceRexcept for the water and the saltSep 13 03:18
msb__Two different meanings of the word.  In chemistry, "organic" means made of CHONSP.  In nutrition, "organic" means congenial to living things.  For example glyphosate, the herbicide in much GMO "food", is chemically organic, but food containing it is not nutritionally organic, because it's toxic to mammals.Sep 13 03:33
MinceRi had the impression that "organic" simply means "contains carbon"Sep 13 03:37
msb__That's the simplified chemical definition.  The nutritional one is quite different.Sep 13 03:38
msb__Of course, nutritionally organic food must be chemically organic, and it also may contain various minerals, but not Hg, Al, F, As...Sep 13 03:40
msb__Nutritionally necessary minerals for people include Na, K, Mg, Ca, Cr, Mn, Cu, B, Se...Sep 13 03:45
msb__Actually, "nutritionally organic" generally means congenial to vertebrates, especially humans.  For example ammonia is pumped into some farm soil to serve as fertilizer for plants, but it's irritating to people and highly toxic to fish and amphibians.Sep 13 03:54
MinceRapparently even arsenic is essential to some animals: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenic#Essential_trace_element_in_higher_animalsSep 13 03:56
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/642983543921078272Sep 13 09:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: @schestowitz ... but still cooperates with #Microsoft (((Sep 13 09:58
schestowitzMinceR: I am going to be away for two weeks, I think you have ops in case some trolls show up and vandlaise the channelsSep 13 11:20
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/MIIS_Cyber/status/643009123945058305   https://twitter.com/encycl/status/643009173689532416Sep 13 11:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MIIS_Cyber: @schestowitz @_PaulH93 flea market netbook + tails seems a better moveSep 13 11:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@encycl: @schestowitz That's never been tested, but DHS et al assert the border exception extends 100 mi in from the border.Sep 13 11:33
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/643009387716481025Sep 13 11:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: Thus…the #UnitedKingdom's #monarchy is as #evil as the #USA Empire #plutocracy? Both pretending to be 'democracies': https://t.co/ldvvn6ejYPSep 13 11:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: I am going to be away for two weeks, but cannot take my laptop anymore. Airport authorities can now DEMAND decryption keys at the border.Sep 13 11:34
schestowitzI think the precedent was in CanadaSep 13 11:34
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/BrettGarrot/status/643009599096922112Sep 13 11:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrettGarrot: Thus…the #UnitedKingdom's #monarchy is as #evil as the #USA Empire #plutocracy? Both pretending to be 'democracies… https://t.co/lj0mtCaniJSep 13 11:34
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/643013196601815040Sep 13 11:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SeaH2ONymph: #JamesClapper, director of national intelligence, talks nearly every day with head of #CENTCOM’s intel #StevenGrove https://t.co/1lYth0p8nQSep 13 11:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Who 'runs' the country? Generals and other spooky personnel or elected officials? One wonders: https://t.co/YaDPRXwO9YSep 13 11:52
schestowitz https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/643013313161367552  https://twitter.com/BrettGarrot/status/643013431797391360Sep 13 11:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: .@pmharper clings to power: #GetOutOfCanadaLyntonCrosby @AshCallingbull has called for 1st Nations to 'vote'him out https://t.co/K98fda63CMSep 13 11:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynco: @schestowitz @Harrisonxjacobs agree...just as those disseminating false reports about al-Qa'ida and the CIA torture program should have.Sep 13 12:54
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/643027344517677056Sep 13 12:54
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FilmCriticOne/status/643028472424742913Sep 13 12:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FilmCriticOne: @schestowitz CIA should have been disbanded when is was OSS. They have caused more wars than the Bush family.Sep 13 12:55
MinceRschestowitz: okSep 13 13:19
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynco/status/643035601244192768Sep 13 13:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynco: @schestowitz @Harrisonxjacobs part of an orchestrated CIA coms strategy that continues today w the ghost writing of books & RebuttalSep 13 13:22
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schestowitzThey call it "information war", or "psychological warfare", helping to reinforce semi-truths or fiction, creating uncertainty a la climate changeSep 13 13:22
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynco/status/643037565914869761Sep 13 13:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynco: @schestowitz @Harrisonxjacobs also known as perception managementSep 13 13:25
schestowitzIn the PR industry, yes.... I wrote a lot about it in the context of the software industrySep 13 13:25
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msb__New documentary, packed full of detailed information:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqqelDq4P48Sep 13 17:46
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MinceRhttps://startpage.com/do/metasearch.pl?q=germany%20suspends%20schengenSep 13 17:54
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MinceRthe end of the EU?Sep 13 17:55
msb__It's certainly becoming less unified!  And of course its the US destruction of many nations in the Middle East and Africa that have caused all those refugees to flee for their lives.Sep 13 17:56
MinceRthere's more to it than thatSep 13 17:57
MinceRthe greek crisis, the hungarian dictatorshipSep 13 17:57
MinceRfundie takeover by the EPPSep 13 17:57
msb__EPP?Sep 13 17:57
MinceREuropean People's PartySep 13 17:57
MinceRcorruption resulting in EU institutions upholding foreign megacorporate interests instead of member state/citizen interestsSep 13 17:58
msb__But those problems aren't what the refugees are fleeing from.  However, I see that corporate corruption will certainly help the EU to disintegrate, as it does to everything else.Sep 13 17:59
msb__Interesting.  European People's Party is conservative (corporatist), but the term People's Party is generally used to denote socialists.  So it's deceptive.  Like "National Socialists" (Nazis).Sep 13 18:02
XRevan86msb__: Not the only ones.Sep 13 18:02
msb__In some ways, the entire world situation is degenerating.  Things are falling apart.  And it's all due to the "War on Terror", in which the terrorists -- Mujahideen, Al-Qaeda, ISIL -- are organized and armed by the US, Saudi Arabia, and Israel.  And the justification for the war was and is 9/11.  And who did 9/11?  Watch that video 9/11: Decade of Deception. Sep 13 18:06
msb__Organized ultra-wealthy and ultra-powerful psychopaths are slowly destroying the world.  Our only defense is broadcasting the truth, to as many people as possible, using the Internet and Linux.Sep 13 18:08
MinceRhandling the refugees is just yet another problemSep 13 18:09
MinceRalso, in europe, it seems to be common to use "people's party" to refer to christian fundie nazi partiesSep 13 18:09
MinceRlike kdnp in hungarySep 13 18:10
XRevan86People's Front for RussiaSep 13 18:10
msb__There is one great advantage that truth has over lies, not matter how many times the lies are repeated:  Truth is logically consistent, and is upheld by critical thinking.  Lies are not.Sep 13 18:10
XRevan86* All-Russia People's FrontSep 13 18:10
MinceRas for the war on terror, that's explainable with incompetence rather than maliceSep 13 18:10
MinceRusian attempts to establish democracy in places where the people, the culture are not ready for itSep 13 18:11
MinceR(similarly to hungary)Sep 13 18:11
msb__But the US did not actually do anything to establish democracy in those nations.  It attacked them, bombed them, and wrecked them.  That results in such fear and chaos that democracy is impossible.  Sep 13 18:12
MinceRat least in some places they ensured that elections took place, afaikSep 13 18:13
MinceRbut it obviously didn't work out in many (if not all) casesSep 13 18:13
msb__Maybe.  But if people are injured, and their friends and relatives are dead, and they can barely find enough food to survive, they aren't going to be able to do the research to find out whom they should vote for to achieve the best results.Sep 13 18:14
MinceRthey probably don't even know they shouldSep 13 18:16
msb__All they know is grief and trying to survive.  And being attacked by the warlords that have taken over after the US wrecked their nation.Sep 13 18:17
msb__Is the motivation greed?  Oil profits?  Weapons profits?  The destruction of all nations in the Middle East as desired by the Zionists of Israel?  Extension of US power?  The psychopathic desire to hurt and kill people?  Perhaps all of those.Sep 13 18:20
MinceRit could be benign, see aboveSep 13 18:21
msb__The US psychopaths have been doing these same things all throughout the 20th century, and now this one.  The results have always been bad for the people attacked, and good for the ultra-wealthy.  It's been done nearly 100 times, always with the same result.  To think that the intentions were good, but it just _accidently_ killed tens of millions of people and wrecked dozens of nations, is not a logically tenable idea.  How many times Sep 13 18:26
msb__do you have to be punched in the face before you decide that that person wants to hurt you?Sep 13 18:26
MinceRthat's not a good analogySep 13 18:27
msb__Then forget the analogy.  In every case, the ultra-wealthy killed the leaders that were helping the people, and installed leaders that controlled the people so that the ultra-wealthy could go in there and take the natural resources and use the controlled population as slave labor.  That's what they did EVERY TIME.  It was no accident any time.  Sep 13 18:30
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MinceRafaik they killed or deposed tyrantsSep 13 18:35
MinceRhoping to replace them with a democratic governmentSep 13 18:35
msb__That's what they _said_ they did.  That's what the CIA told all the corporate media to say they did.  But they and the CIA and the corporate media were all LYING.Sep 13 18:38
MinceRyou're assuming that only they lieSep 13 18:38
msb__No, I'm accessing facts that _prove_ they are lying.Sep 13 18:39
msb__Do you have a copy of _Killing Hope_ by William Blum?Sep 13 18:40
MinceRnoSep 13 18:40
msb__Well, here's his website and several others:  http://cosmicpenguin.com/#American_HolocaustSep 13 18:43
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msb__But I misread what you said.  Yes, I know that others lied too  -- Orban, Stalin...Sep 13 18:45
MinceRyour sources may have lied tooSep 13 18:45
msb__That's where critical thinking comes in.  Get information from many different sources, and see which is logically consistent and which is not.Sep 13 18:46
MinceRin cases like this, there's plenty of motivation for various parties to lieSep 13 18:46
MinceRhow does one find out who's lying and who (if anyone) is telling the truth?Sep 13 18:46
msb__That's where critical thinking comes in.  Get information from many different sources, and see which is logically consistent and which is not.Sep 13 18:46
MinceRhaving different sources say the same thing is not enoughSep 13 18:47
MinceRif it was, we'd all believe corporate media.Sep 13 18:47
msb__Correct.  _You_ have to employ logical reasoning, like the Law of Non-Contradiction, to the information yourself.  and you have to be  prepared to change your mind about things if your logical pursuits prove that some things you currently believe are false.  Sep 13 18:48
msb__That is critical thinking.  NOT "What you tell me three times is true", which is part of the Bernays method of brainwashing.Sep 13 18:50
MinceRsure, but if two groups of sources contradict each other, that won't tell you which group (if any) is telling the truthSep 13 18:51
msb__That's not the contradiction to look for.   You want to look for contradictions _within_ the information given by each group.  For example, if the US govt group always says it's trying to help people, but always ends up hurting people, that's a big fat contradiction.Sep 13 18:57
MinceRi've seen plenty of series of failed attempts from others tooSep 13 18:59
MinceRbut yes, if most/all sources in a group are internally inconsistent, that helps find out what's upSep 13 19:00
msb__Yes.  The US and Stalin and Orban are _all_ evil.Sep 13 19:01
MinceRand so's putinSep 13 19:02
MinceRit wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that all human groups are evilSep 13 19:03
msb__I know.  That's because your idea of human nature is erroneous.  I keep suggesting that you watch the Korten video and read The Chalice and the Blade to give you a much more accurate idea of human nature.Sep 13 19:05
msb__Humans are inherently good, but easily programmable, by trauma or lying propaganda, to be evil.Sep 13 19:07
msb__That's the truth that I've learned over my 70 years, from many different sources who never even heard of one another.  And it's consistent with observed events.Sep 13 19:08
schestowitzyou stipulate humans are not evilSep 13 19:08
schestowitzbut whose standards?Sep 13 19:08
schestowitzyou could say that about all animalsSep 13 19:08
schestowitzare sharks "evil"?Sep 13 19:08
schestowitzthe notion of good or evil or relativeSep 13 19:09
schestowitzsome people eat cockroaches, some think that eating beef is killed sacred animalSep 13 19:09
schestowitzcannibalism is even essential to some speciesSep 13 19:10
schestowitz[18:08] <msb__> Organized ultra-wealthy and ultra-powerful psychopaths are slowly destroying the world.  Our only defense is broadcasting the truth, to as many people as possible, using the Internet and Linux.Sep 13 19:10
schestowitzI'm all for itSep 13 19:10
schestowitzbut you don't broadcase the truthSep 13 19:11
schestowitzyou broadcast what you deem suitable for a narrative wherein the US is the moral equivalent of Nazis GermanySep 13 19:11
msb__First of all, the idea of "evil" is only meaningful in regard to humans, and others with thinking minds, possibly bonobos.Sep 13 19:11
schestowitzand Russia is some kind of benign powerSep 13 19:11
schestowitzdespite all that was done before Hitler even rose to powerSep 13 19:11
schestowitzI am a lot more afraid of Russia than I am of the USSep 13 19:12
schestowitzEven if I was Arab I think it would be the caseSep 13 19:12
schestowitzWatch how Russia treats its Muslim citizens and neighboursSep 13 19:12
schestowitzthey're evil, they express themselves differently and has different propaganda and public enchantment dissemination tacticsSep 13 19:13
msb__And yet the US has wrecked at least 5 nations since 2001, and Russia has not wrecked any.Sep 13 19:13
schestowitzI think that some ancestors from my grandma's site escaped Russia a long time ago, maybe hundreds of years, and people STILL escape Russia if they canSep 13 19:14
schestowitzRussia didn't wreck nations?Sep 13 19:14
MinceRrecently russia has wrecked georgia and ukraine, possibly also belarusSep 13 19:14
schestowitzMinceR: tell himSep 13 19:14
msb__The US has murdered more than two million people since 2001.Sep 13 19:14
schestowitzBulgaria, Hungary, the whole eastern blocSep 13 19:14
MinceRthey have sights on the baltic countriesSep 13 19:14
schestowitzthey turned to s***Sep 13 19:14
MinceRbefore 1990, russia wrecked the entire eastern blocSep 13 19:14
schestowitzSo that Moscow can relish in power and fameSep 13 19:14
MinceRcurrently putin is supporting hungarian nazis, including jobbikSep 13 19:15
msb__Russia annexed a small part of Ukraine that requested it.  It did not wreck Ukraine.Sep 13 19:15
MinceRbela kovacs was one of their agentsSep 13 19:15
schestowitzjobbik won't possible play ball with the US, maybe not even NATOSep 13 19:15
MinceRno, that part did not request to be annexedSep 13 19:15
schestowitzmaybe can secede from EUSep 13 19:15
schestowitzbased on what the Greek Nazis want to doSep 13 19:15
msb__Yes Russia was evil 50 years ago.  It is not acting that way now.Sep 13 19:16
MinceRa fake referendum acted out with no credibility attempted to make it seem like they requested itSep 13 19:16
MinceRactually, the behavior of russia changed little since 1980Sep 13 19:16
schestowitz[19:15] <msb__> Russia annexed a small part of Ukraine that requested it.  It did not wreck Ukraine.Sep 13 19:16
schestowitzIt did further up northSep 13 19:16
schestowitzcomplete chaos thereSep 13 19:16
MinceRindeedSep 13 19:16
schestowitzand it wants to guard its bordersSep 13 19:16
MinceReastern ukraine is a wreckSep 13 19:16
MinceRand i doubt western ukraine is doing much betterSep 13 19:16
schestowitzbecause it cannot tolerate much EU at its doorstepSep 13 19:16
MinceRif anything, russia's behavior is even worse nowSep 13 19:17
schestowitzthey're connected, and tourism will sufferSep 13 19:17
MinceRas the ussr only used nukes to ensure they don't get nuked themselvesSep 13 19:17
schestowitzUkraine lost a nice airportSep 13 19:17
MinceRwhile putin is saber-rattling themSep 13 19:17
MinceRand reducing the standards for using themSep 13 19:17
msb__The people further up north begged Putin to annex their territory also, but he refused.  700,000 refugees have fled from Ukraine to Russia since the US-Nazi regime took over.Sep 13 19:17
schestowitzthey were not ay mortal dangerSep 13 19:17
schestowitzmaybe economic refugees (Crimea)Sep 13 19:18
msb__The two of you are double-teaming me, and so rapidly that I can't respond.Sep 13 19:18
schestowitzwhat put them at mortal danger was Russian invaders with snipers includedSep 13 19:18
MinceRall this was discussed beforeSep 13 19:18
schestowitzIt's a Turf WarSep 13 19:18
schestowitzSame in SyriaSep 13 19:18
msb__Roy, there's a question I've been wanting to ask you.  Have you worked in facial-recognition software?Sep 13 19:18
schestowitzSyria, IIRC, might even share some border with RS at the north eastSep 13 19:19
schestowitzdidn't checkSep 13 19:19
schestowitzoh, waitSep 13 19:19
schestowitzgeorgiaSep 13 19:19
schestowitzand also armenia would be thereSep 13 19:19
schestowitzamong other neighbours of turkeySep 13 19:19
schestowitzmsb__: no, face verificationSep 13 19:20
msb__What's the difference?Sep 13 19:20
schestowitzlike airport stuff where you need to check a person is who s/he claims to beSep 13 19:20
schestowitzit's a one-to-one matching problemSep 13 19:20
schestowitzvery essential to avoid identity thirdSep 13 19:20
msb__Does the government use the results of your work?Sep 13 19:20
schestowitz*theftSep 13 19:20
schestowitzlike a person flying under the identity of another person's passportSep 13 19:21
schestowitzNo, but the EPC funded itSep 13 19:21
msb__EPC?Sep 13 19:21
schestowitzyou need to see what Texas Uni and NIST/DARPA doSep 13 19:21
msb__EPC?Sep 13 19:22
schestowitzthey take this into the military type domainSep 13 19:22
schestowitzYesSep 13 19:22
msb__What is EPC?Sep 13 19:22
schestowitzERC sorrySep 13 19:22
schestowitz!google ERC researchSep 13 19:22
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - ERC: European Research Council | http://erc.europa.eu/Sep 13 19:22
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Funding and Grants | ERC: European Research Council | http://erc.europa.eu/funding-and-grantsSep 13 19:22
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - European Research Council - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Research_CouncilSep 13 19:22
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Engineering Research Centers | NSF - National Science Foundation | http://www.nsf.gov/funding/pgm_summ.jsp%3Fpims_id%3D5502Sep 13 19:22
schestowitzWatch what they fundSep 13 19:24
msb__So if a whistleblower like Snowden or Assange was trying to escape persecution/prosecution by travellling undercover, such software would prevent it.Sep 13 19:24
schestowitzI was previously funded by EPSRCSep 13 19:25
schestowitzfor medical thingsSep 13 19:25
MinceRonly if they used a fake passport with the wrong photo or something like thatSep 13 19:25
MinceRnotice that it's one-to-oneSep 13 19:25
schestowitzwhat do you mean by "travellling undercover", using another person's passport?Sep 13 19:25
MinceRsomething like thatSep 13 19:25
schestowitzSomeone who looks similar?Sep 13 19:25
schestowitz!google chengen airport wikileaksSep 13 19:25
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - CIA Travel Advice To Operatives - WikiLeaks | https://wikileaks.org/cia-travel/Sep 13 19:25
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - CIA Travel Advice to Operatives - Press Release - WikiLeaks | https://wikileaks.org/cia-travel/press-release.htmlSep 13 19:25
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - CIA Assessment on Surviving Secondary Screening ... - WikiLeaks | https://wikileaks.org/cia-travel/secondary-screening/page-1.htmlSep 13 19:25
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - CIA Assessment on Surviving Secondary Screening at ... - WikiLeaks | https://wikileaks.org/cia-travel/secondary-screening/WikiLeaks_CIA_Assessment_on_Surviving_Secondary_Screening.pdfSep 13 19:25
MinceRoh, msb__ might have meant something differentSep 13 19:25
schestowitzI wouldn't accept working on surveillance thingsSep 13 19:26
schestowitzit's unethicalSep 13 19:26
schestowitzThere are many computer vision applicationsSep 13 19:27
msb__It could catch both terrorists and heroes.Sep 13 19:27
schestowitzfor biologySep 13 19:27
schestowitzbiometrics versus medical scansSep 13 19:27
schestowitzone potentially evilSep 13 19:27
schestowitzthe other saving lifesSep 13 19:27
schestowitzin the case of cars, collision prevention vs faceplate scannersSep 13 19:28
schestowitzso it's unwise to lump it all togetherSep 13 19:28
schestowitzsome machine vision staff is used in factoriesSep 13 19:28
schestowitznot to spy on workers like in AmazonSep 13 19:28
schestowitzbut to inspect the manufactured items, like foods... reject defectsSep 13 19:28
msb__OK, I guess you're off the hook.Sep 13 19:29
schestowitzLOL "off the hook"Sep 13 19:31
schestowitzThank you, Mister brennanSep 13 19:31
msb__Brennan?Sep 13 19:32
schestowitzJohnSep 13 19:32
schestowitzThe one unethical thing about those things is that they reduce the number of physical jobsSep 13 19:32
schestowitzWhich can be spun as a negative thing by Luddites, or if the machines do a poor job at itSep 13 19:32
schestowitzsometimes they just complement a human and make detection of atrophies/defects more preciseSep 13 19:33
schestowitzBut it yields higher output, lowers prices, and make products more reliable (per cost or in general)Sep 13 19:33
msb__Technology in general is reducing the number of jobs, and capitalism can't deal with it.  Sep 13 19:34
msb__What should be benefitting mankind is causing poverty and austerity.Sep 13 19:34
schestowitz[19:29] <msb__> OK, I guess you're off the hook.Sep 13 19:34
schestowitzIt just implied, shallowly, that you attempted character assassination but failedSep 13 19:34
msb__No, I asked, I did not assert.Sep 13 19:35
msb__I still don't know who John Brennan is.  There are too many of them.Sep 13 19:35
schestowitzSo you complain a lot about the CIASep 13 19:36
schestowitzBut you don't know who has been heading it for yearsSep 13 19:36
schestowitzDespite him being in the headline every hour of the day, due to drones, torture, WoT, etc.Sep 13 19:37
schestowitzThere is also another Brennan in the white house (no relation)Sep 13 19:37
schestowitzThere's the Brennan InstituteSep 13 19:37
schestowitz!google Brennan Institute hawkSep 13 19:37
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Brennan Center for Justice | http://www.brennancenter.org/Sep 13 19:37
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Employment | Brennan Center for Justice | https://www.brennancenter.org/employmentSep 13 19:37
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - school-bio_stjs-the-hawk - Saint Joseph's University - Official ... | http://www.sjuhawks.com/ViewArticle.dbml%3FATCLID%3D208883426Sep 13 19:37
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schestowitzalso no relationSep 13 19:37
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msb__Do you think the CIA does good?  Saying that I "complain" about it seems to imply that.Sep 13 19:38
msb__Wow!  Roy said that the 700,000 refugees fled from Ukraine to Russia because they were in danger from Russian invaders of Ukraine.  Does anyone see a logical contradiction there?Sep 13 19:49
msb__Would one flee _into_ the country that was the source of danger one was fleeing from?Sep 13 19:50
msb__But, our Fearless Leader is gone now.  Have the two weeks begun?  Are you now in charge, MinceR?Sep 13 19:52
msb__Our fear that communism might someday take over most of the world blinds us to the fact that anti-communism already has. -- Michael ParentiSep 13 19:58
msb__From the second edition of Killing Hope.Sep 13 19:58
msb__wowie!  Killing Hope can be downloaded from here:  https://pdf.yt/d/y_8iHigC3Ms5TngF   Download link is on the right.Sep 13 20:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pdf.yt | View BLUM killing hope.pdf - PDFy - Instant PDF HostSep 13 20:12
msb__But the one in the naughty place has a live table of contents.  Sep 13 20:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Online Summit for Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Takes Place on November 3-5, 2015 - SoftpediaSep 14 06:59
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Developer Attempts to Port Ubuntu Touch to theSep 14 06:59
TweetTuxMachines                 Sony Xperia Z Ultra Android PhoneSep 14 06:59
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/YZNKqYxzoH (linux.softpedia.com)Sep 14 06:59
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ns0tmSep 14 07:00
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XFaCE[01:16:06]<cubexyz> I don't understand Ken Starks going on about windows 10 Sep 16 02:06
XFaCEwho is ken starks and why do we care?Sep 16 02:06
DaemonFCWho is John Galt?Sep 16 02:08
MinceR:>Sep 16 02:11
DaemonFChttp://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/09/15/tides-new-commercial-hilariously-mocks-kim-davis-and-anti-gay-bigots-everywhere-video/Sep 16 02:24
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cubexyznot unless I run x2x again on the other computer as wellSep 16 10:24
cubexyzI'm only running x2x on one computerSep 16 10:24
oiaohmx2x over network is not good.Sep 16 10:25
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oiaohmx2go allows one directional control.Sep 16 10:25
oiaohmx2x is no better than ssh -X direct sharing from a secuirty point of view.Sep 16 10:26
oiaohmNote I don't like ssh -X either.Sep 16 10:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Deluge Torrent 1.3.12 Released, How ToSep 16 10:27
TweetTuxMachines                 Install/Update In Ubuntu/Linux Mint Or OtherSep 16 10:27
TweetTuxMachines                 Derivatives http://t.co/YMUlRaZB44Sep 16 10:27
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 16 10:27
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nsqpnSep 16 10:27
cubexyzoiaohm, I'm still using access controlSep 16 10:28
oiaohmcubexyz: basically X11 protocol never got the idea of seperation.Sep 16 10:28
cubexyzonly a couple of internal ip addresses are allowed accessSep 16 10:28
oiaohmx2x output is nested.Sep 16 10:28
oiaohmSo it does not have access to the full house.Sep 16 10:29
oiaohmThis is why I don't use it.Sep 16 10:29
oiaohmWhen I can use x2go and I don't have to jump threw about 4 hoops to make it secure I do.Sep 16 10:29
oiaohmAlso x2x lost it core developer a while back.Sep 16 10:30
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Qualcomm unveils Linux-based UAV referenceSep 16 10:34
TweetTuxMachines                 platform http://t.co/xt9Hj5dYVXSep 16 10:34
TweetTuxMachines                 (linuxgizmos.com)Sep 16 10:34
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nsqsfSep 16 10:34
*TweetTuxMachines @RedTreeRobotics favourited 'Qualcomm unveils Linux-based UAV reference platform http://t.co/xt9Hj5dYVX'Sep 16 10:34
cubexyzx2x is supposed to support clipboard sharing alsoSep 16 10:41
cubexyzin quasijarus there's no ssh evenSep 16 10:56
cubexyzbut I never got X11 forwarding to work on thatSep 16 10:56
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msb__I know exactly whose picture you're gonna feed them.  Geez, we have to improve your attitude before you start WW3!Sep 16 14:39
MinceRi doubt i can beat putin to thatSep 16 14:41
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 15.04 Robotics Edition Brings MicrosoftSep 16 19:49
TweetTuxMachines                 Kinect Support to ODROID http://t.co/l55V3yY3GhSep 16 19:49
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Sep 16 19:49
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nsvwtSep 16 19:49
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Weekend in Techrights http://t.co/aRnxmBy6K4Sep 16 21:31
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 16 21:31
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    Sep 16 21:31
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nsvz0Sep 16 21:31
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 15.04 Robotics Edition Brings MicrosoftSep 16 21:31
TweetTuxMachines                 Kinect Support to ODROID http://t.co/hpk6WTY1TtSep 16 21:31
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 16 21:31
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nswvnSep 16 21:31
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msb__This is very interesting.  http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-15-04-robotics-edition-brings-microsoft-kinect-support-to-odroid-491887.shtmlSep 16 21:49
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msb__ASUS seems to have a low-rez and a high-rez one.  The high-rez -- 1280x1024 -- they recommend to buy from Amazon, which has only two sellers -- one in France and the other in Germany,Sep 16 23:10
msb__I'm getting the idea that ASUS is not really serious about this product.  I've been on the phone with them for over an hour, and the guy has not found where the high-rez one is shown on their website.Sep 16 23:12
msb__It would be nice if you could have a hologram projector make an image, and then be able to grab at it with your hands using this sensor.  Sep 16 23:14
msb__That would be like the computer in the movie  The First $20 Million Is Always the Hardest (2002) -- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0280674/combined  -- Highly recommended!Sep 16 23:17
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msb__After 90minutes ASUS hung up on me.Sep 16 23:28
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DaemonFCJ. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Sep 17 00:07
DaemonFCIt does not appear that New Jersey's SAIP insurance is a form of "welfare", if the people would have been better off by breaking the law and going uninsured.Sep 17 00:07
DaemonFCIf it has no liability coverage, then what's the point? Especially if you rear end some rich ***hole that slams his brakes and then sues you because his $90,000 car is trashed.Sep 17 00:07
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     breeze is finished https://t.co/YCsoEJYi7KSep 17 08:23
TweetTuxMachines                 (kdeonlinux.wordpress.com)Sep 17 08:23
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nt2n8Sep 17 08:23
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Software defined radio module runs Linux onSep 17 08:23
TweetTuxMachines                 Zynq SoC http://t.co/QBJFVK2wUoSep 17 08:23
TweetTuxMachines                 (linuxgizmos.com)Sep 17 08:23
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nt2n9Sep 17 08:23
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     LXD Is the New Pure-Container Hypervisor forSep 17 08:26
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux, Says Mark ShuttleworthSep 17 08:26
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/iCLDFOICAj (news.softpedia.com)Sep 17 08:26
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nt2o3Sep 17 08:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Dutch Standards Board mulls making ODFSep 17 08:26
TweetTuxMachines                 mandatory http://t.co/CNAlUS4PcNSep 17 08:26
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 17 08:26
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nt2o4Sep 17 08:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Breeze is finished http://t.co/Dn1Uh3hkFrSep 17 08:26
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 17 08:26
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nt2o6Sep 17 08:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Software defined radio module runs Linux onSep 17 08:29
TweetTuxMachines                 Zynq SoC http://t.co/WtjMA3X2kvSep 17 08:29
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 17 08:29
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nt2p8Sep 17 08:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     LXD Is the New Pure-Container Hypervisor forSep 17 08:29
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux, Says Mark ShuttleworthSep 17 08:29
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/Fdc9UE3a5k (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 17 08:29
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nt2p9Sep 17 08:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     AMD Catalyst 15.9 Linux driver is out withSep 17 08:29
TweetTuxMachines                 tweaks and fixes for Linux gamersSep 17 08:29
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/tdrUf9QhWy (www.pcworld.com)Sep 17 08:29
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nt2paSep 17 08:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     A great time to be a Linux personSep 17 09:31
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/waFkyMjBF4 (opensource.com)Sep 17 09:31
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nt35iSep 17 09:31
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Light Bulbs Allow Devices To Talk To EachSep 17 09:31
TweetTuxMachines                 Other With Flashes Of BrillianceSep 17 09:31
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/xJJp8RKmwH (techcrunch.com)Sep 17 09:31
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nt35jSep 17 09:31
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Black Lab Linux 2015.12 Gets New Beta withSep 17 09:31
TweetTuxMachines                 LibreOffice 5.0, Based on Ubuntu 14.04 LTSSep 17 09:31
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/h7F9MR9C6c (news.softpedia.com)Sep 17 09:31
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nt35kSep 17 09:31
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     AMD Catalyst 15.9 Linux driver is out withSep 17 09:31
TweetTuxMachines                 tweaks and fixes for Linux gamersSep 17 09:31
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/GX6fOGrzvx (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 17 09:31
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nt35lSep 17 09:31
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     A great time to be a Linux personSep 17 09:32
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/2jfZ0e9ukk (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 17 09:32
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nt35mSep 17 09:32
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Light Bulbs Allow Devices To Talk To EachSep 17 09:32
TweetTuxMachines                 Other With Flashes Of BrillianceSep 17 09:32
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/4mXH22L7Lc (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 17 09:32
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nt35pSep 17 09:32
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Black Lab Linux 2015.12 Gets New Beta withSep 17 10:55
TweetTuxMachines                 LibreOffice 5.0, Based on Ubuntu 14.04 LTSSep 17 10:55
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/o5PdDA6a3B (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 17 10:55
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nt3rwSep 17 10:55
*TweetTuxMachines @Cipherhouse retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Black Lab Linux 2015.12 Gets New Beta with...'Sep 17 10:55
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Rugged, secure SMARC COM runs Yocto on Tegra K1Sep 17 14:25
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/2SzZdSgOmZ (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 17 14:25
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nt5dzSep 17 14:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Rugged, secure SMARC COM runs Yocto on Tegra K1Sep 17 14:25
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/OTv60m2Och (linuxgizmos.com)Sep 17 14:25
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nt5e0Sep 17 14:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     New Linux-Only Mainframes Support ChefSep 17 14:25
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/OPvEtzSFxq (www.infoq.com)Sep 17 14:25
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nt5e1Sep 17 14:25
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     New Linux-Only Mainframes Support ChefSep 17 14:28
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/emSbxEvWeM (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 17 14:28
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nt5eySep 17 14:28
*TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'New Linux-Only Mainframes Support Chef http://t.co/emSbxEvWeM'Sep 17 14:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Debian GNU/Linux 8 Now Ready for Creator Ci20,Sep 17 14:33
TweetTuxMachines                 Android 5.0 Support Coming SoonSep 17 14:33
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/BsqR2Jyf9R (news.softpedia.com)Sep 17 14:33
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nt5goSep 17 14:33
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msb__MinceR: In your latest personal attack against me, I'm having difficulty finding where I wrote what you seem to be quoting from me:  "Psychopathy in a whole culture does seem to result, sometimes at least from trauma.  Stalinist, North Korea, and Israel are illustrations of this."Sep 17 15:58
MinceRyou don't even remember what you write hereSep 17 15:59
MinceRand yet you insist on being quotedSep 17 15:59
MinceRit's pointless to try to argue with you about this, as you apparently have a zealous religious belief in the russian empire and putlerSep 17 15:59
msb__MinceR: Would you please provide the date and time (with time zone) that you are quoting from.Sep 17 15:59
MinceR2014-04-27.log:164738Sep 17 15:59
MinceRCET or CESTSep 17 15:59
msb__Good lord!  You are picking a fight with me about something I wrote over a year ago?Sep 17 16:00
msb__You are really obsessive!Sep 17 16:01
MinceRno, you blaming all evil in the world on "trauma" caused by the USA seems to be a consistent themeSep 17 16:01
MinceRit's the excuse for everything north korea and russia do, among other thingsSep 17 16:02
msb__MinceR: You don't see that going back to what I wrote 17 months ago indicates and obsessive desire to attack me?Sep 17 16:07
msb__and -> anSep 17 16:08
MinceRif i don't quote you, you say i lie. if i quote you, you say i'm obsessive.Sep 17 16:08
MinceRagain, it's pointless to argue with youSep 17 16:08
MinceRit's ironic how for all that lip service to critical thinking, you show zero critical thinkingSep 17 16:08
msb__You must be spending quite a lot of time going over your old logs of what I've written!Sep 17 16:09
MinceRactually grep doesn't take that long to search the logsSep 17 16:11
MinceRbut even so, you've already proven that effort to be wastedSep 17 16:11
msb__MinceR: In any case, I recently explained to you in a private conversation that the mental/cultural disease of mass psychopathy, called by Wilhelm Reich The Emotional Plague, and by Riane Eisler The Dominator Paradigm, is passed down from generation to generation by traumatic child-rearing and anti-human cultural influences like JCI religion.Sep 17 16:13
msb__MinceR: JCI religion probably accounts for the willingness of American psychopaths to do the worldwide evil they've been doing ever since their genocide of the Native Americans during the formation of the US.Sep 17 16:15
MinceRthat in no way excuses the acts of the fascist regimes you openly supportSep 17 16:15
MinceRalso, why do i have to remind you that the russian government is allied with a christian cult?Sep 17 16:16
msb__I don't support any fascist regimes at all.  The fact that fascism is a result of trauma doesn't excuse it.  It's a cause-and-effect connection, not a moral justification.  Can you understand the difference?Sep 17 16:17
MinceRyou support russia, north korea and othersSep 17 16:18
MinceRof course it doesn't excuse it but you pretend it doesSep 17 16:19
MinceRyou use this excuse to push all responsibility for everything bad that happens to the usiansSep 17 16:19
msb__MinceR: I count 8 lying personal attacks in your recent text here.  That doesn't do anything to convince any audience that may be reading your text that you're right.  It just makes you look like an obsessive nutcase.Sep 17 16:20
MinceRanyone with a working brain must have already deduced that you're an obsessive fascist nutcaseSep 17 16:20
msb__Am I talking with a primitive AI program here that simply repeats back to me what I've said?Sep 17 16:21
msb__MinceR: Stop lying about me.  I do _not_ "support russia, north korea".  I have criticized Russia's attacks on the Eastern Bloc half a century ago.  I have criticized Putin's attack on Pussy Riot, and his recent attempt to censor Net information about cannabis.Sep 17 16:23
MinceRyeah, while supporting russia and north korea you also keep fraudulently claiming that you do notSep 17 16:24
MinceRyou repeat every single lie from RT hereSep 17 16:24
msb__How have I supported North Korea?Sep 17 16:24
MinceRyou claim that every source of evidence that's unpleasant to russia is the CIASep 17 16:24
msb__How have I supported North Korea?Sep 17 16:24
MinceRyou excuse their acts with your absurd claims of trauma caused by the usaSep 17 16:24
MinceRand you have the same ideology as themSep 17 16:25
MinceRyou support oppressing other states and people by russiansSep 17 16:25
MinceRyou support putler's fascist posturingSep 17 16:25
MinceRyou support putler's nuclear threats to the worldSep 17 16:25
msb__No, I don't excuse their acts.  I _explain_ their acts by the fact that the US murdered 30% of the North Korean population in the Korean War.  Imagine having burning jellied gasoline -- napalm -- dropped on yourself and your family.Sep 17 16:26
MinceRmaybe i'll experience thatSep 17 16:27
MinceRcourtesy of your idol, putinSep 17 16:27
msb__MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME!  Putin is not my idol.  I've said that his opposition to the US destruction of five nations recently is a good thing.  Currently he is trying to aid Syria in getting rid of ISIL, but the US government wants ISIL there to get rid of Assad for reasons of profit.Sep 17 16:29
MinceRyour acts say more than your wordsSep 17 16:29
msb__What acts?Sep 17 16:30
MinceRyour support for everything putler does, for one thingSep 17 16:30
MinceRoh well, good thing russia is allowed to destroy "nations", right?Sep 17 16:30
msb__MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME!  I do not support everything putin does.  Quoting myself 7 minutes ago "I have criticized Putin's attack on Pussy Riot, and his recent attempt to censor Net information about cannabis."Sep 17 16:32
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