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__martin__schestowitz: https://i.imgur.com/94lT60P.pngSep 20 00:11
__martin__new media, new rules.. (lended that one from sixgun's linux-outlaws show motto)Sep 20 00:11
__martin__gn folksSep 20 00:11
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DaemonFChttp://wane.com/2015/09/18/spider-scare-causes-bus-crash/Sep 20 00:31
MinceRanother take on the "driverless car", i seeSep 20 00:32
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DaemonFCMinceR, Yeah, when you bail out over a spider.Sep 20 00:51
DaemonFC:)Sep 20 00:51
MinceRi wonder what sort of spider it wasSep 20 00:52
MinceRhttps://i.chzbgr.com/full/7216260352/h1EE02234/Sep 20 00:57
DaemonFChttp://wane.com/2015/09/19/fire-reported-at-popular-downtown-bar/Sep 20 00:59
DaemonFCThey used our pictures.Sep 20 00:59
MinceRthe fire should watch what it is doing.Sep 20 01:00
MinceRwe're on to it.Sep 20 01:00
DaemonFCMy boyfriend says don't go to Mexico because I'll get ransomed.Sep 20 01:02
DaemonFCI said it reminds me of that scene on Farscape where Rygel says "Ransom me if you like, but the only thing you're going to get is me!".Sep 20 01:02
MinceRlolSep 20 01:03
cubexyzyou have to love these emails: "Warning you are not protected by Norton. Update Now"Sep 20 01:05
MinceRUpdate Now to keep not being protected by Norton!Sep 20 01:05
cubexyzI don't even think it's from SymantecSep 20 01:05
cubexyznot that I've used anything from them in the last 15 years or soSep 20 01:06
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DaemonFCMinceR, My boyfriend would like to know what the Hungarian people think about the Syrian immigration thing.Sep 20 02:15
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msb__http://www.king5.com/story/news/health/2015/09/18/company-hikes-price-5000-drug-fights-complication-aids-cancer-daraprim/32563749/Sep 20 07:40
msb__Turing Pharmaceuticals of New York raised the price of Daraprim from $13.50 per pill to $750 per pill last month.  Fights toxoplasmosis, common in people with AIDS.Sep 20 07:42
cubexyzI would think that we can get it cheaper than that in CanadaSep 20 08:01
msb__Looks like a fairly simple molecule, and 3-step synthesis:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PyrimethamineSep 20 08:13
msb__The raw materials for the synthesis are all common chemicals.Sep 20 08:14
msb__Probably $13.50/pill was a ripoff.Sep 20 08:15
msb__I guess PWAs should be careful around cats.Sep 20 08:19
msb__The article says the drug has been sold since 1953!  So any patent has run out long ago.   Presumably it can be manufactured cheaply in other countries.Sep 20 08:25
msb__three great animes on Cartoon Network -- already startedSep 20 08:36
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     How Many Smart Devices Running Linux Do YouSep 20 09:29
TweetTuxMachines                 Have in Your Home? http://t.co/Bdu3OYMa45Sep 20 09:29
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Sep 20 09:29
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntsuaSep 20 09:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     How Many Smart Devices Running Linux Do YouSep 20 09:30
TweetTuxMachines                 Have in Your Home? http://t.co/t3dIF895wZSep 20 09:30
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 20 09:30
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntsugSep 20 09:30
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Solus 1.0 Linux Operating System DubbedSep 20 09:30
TweetTuxMachines                 Shannon, to Arrive in OctoberSep 20 09:30
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/uZ6ruhvi0m (news.softpedia.com)Sep 20 09:30
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntsuhSep 20 09:30
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: KDE http://t.co/WEZ6n6887zSep 20 09:41
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 20 09:41
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntswoSep 20 09:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     New Is Here http://t.co/CxzBpI0klTSep 20 09:41
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 20 09:41
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntswpSep 20 09:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Solus 1.0 Linux Operating System DubbedSep 20 09:41
TweetTuxMachines                 Shannon, to Arrive in OctoberSep 20 09:41
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/eTE7AnQkus (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 20 09:41
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntswqSep 20 09:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNOME Boston Summit 2015 http://t.co/FRbO1f3nzeSep 20 09:42
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 20 09:42
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntswsSep 20 09:42
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MinceRhttp://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=18309Sep 20 10:52
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__martin__geekings againSep 20 11:17
__martin__MinceR: https://lwn.net/Articles/657345/Sep 20 11:17
__martin__(paywall yet)Sep 20 11:17
msb__Is that the Linux magazine that has microshit ads?  I think one of them does, or at least used to..Sep 20 12:00
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__martin__derailing standards lolSep 20 14:02
__martin__https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Enabling-seamless-communication-experiences.pngSep 20 14:02
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msb__Excellent discussion about the US attacks on Middle East nations and the consequent rise of ISIL:  http://www.rt.com/shows/worlds-apart-oksana-boyko/315995-chaos-is-troubled-region/Sep 20 20:01
msb__Streaming is very intermittent, so use VideoDownloadHelper to download the video and watch it from your disk.Sep 20 20:06
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tizen 3.0 to Ship with Linux Kernel 4.1, DropsSep 20 21:48
TweetTuxMachines                 X for Wayland http://t.co/UTZtl74C7BSep 20 21:48
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Sep 20 21:48
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntw2eSep 20 21:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     RapidDisk / RapidCache 3.3 now available.Sep 20 21:48
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/YqJdpLwZnf (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 20 21:48
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntw2fSep 20 21:48
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MinceRhttps://imgur.com/gallery/mlk8JeqSep 20 23:10
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MinceRwhat's this PigGate thing?Sep 21 01:37
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DaemonFC`http://www.speedtest.net/result/4680194704.pngSep 21 02:27
DaemonFC`Comcast 30 Mbps internet. Unusable crap. They refuse to fix it.Sep 21 02:28
MinceRnastySep 21 02:29
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/MNHiiBO.jpgSep 21 03:10
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DaemonFCMinceR, They also billed me $70 for the service call that didn't fix anything, for which they said there would be no fee.Sep 21 03:36
DaemonFCI called in just now and they said that their billing department is closed, and to call back tomorrow.Sep 21 03:37
MinceRclassySep 21 03:37
MinceRreminds me of a south park episodeSep 21 03:37
DaemonFCCalling Comcast is always fun. It takes about two hours on hold if they don't just hang up, forcing you to restart the process.Sep 21 03:37
DaemonFCRyan FarmerSep 21 03:38
DaemonFCJust now · Sep 21 03:38
DaemonFCBurn down Comcast! Burn them down! Pillage! Burn! No mercy! Spare no one! GRRRRRR!!!!!11111oneSep 21 03:38
DaemonFC(It's one of those days.)Sep 21 03:38
DaemonFCMinceR, I'm moving soon so I'm thinking of just letting them bill me and then not paying it.Sep 21 03:39
DaemonFCIt'll be on my credit report, but I'll file a dispute note there.Sep 21 03:39
DaemonFCMy credit is good enough to handle a 5-6 point drop. I'd rather do that than reward them for cheating me.Sep 21 03:39
MinceR:)Sep 21 03:40
DaemonFCBy the time it shows up, I'll be hooked up through Frontier anyway.Sep 21 03:40
DaemonFCRyan FarmerSep 21 03:49
DaemonFCJust now · Sep 21 03:49
DaemonFCDealing with Comcast wouldn't be tolerated if they were in any other line of business. Dealing with Comcast is like buying a car where the engine breaks down every 1,000 miles, and then instead of honoring the warranty, they bill you for a new engine overhaul they said should be free since it was their fault, try to sell you upgrades to the car that probably won't work either, and then tell you to eat shit because the government won't allow Sep 21 03:49
DaemonFCany other car makers to compete with them.Sep 21 03:49
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DaemonFCRyan FarmerSep 21 04:00
DaemonFCJust now · Sep 21 04:00
DaemonFCComcast apparently was in negotiations with the copyright mafia to take part in the "six strikes" system. As you pirate more movies or Lady Gaga albums or porn or whatever it is that you pirate, the six strikes system is supposed to degrade your internet connection until it becomes utterly unusable and won't even load most websites.Sep 21 04:00
DaemonFCI guess the problem that Comcast came up against is that nobody would notice the difference.Sep 21 04:00
DaemonFCJ. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Sep 21 04:07
DaemonFCI'd prefer a system where individual governments became irrelevant and citizenship was no longer a word because the whole Earth was united.Sep 21 04:07
DaemonFCThe problem is that the current system benefits the rich enormously. They can use the western military machines to step on the poor countries, that have trillions of dollars worth of resources underneath their feet, and keep corrupt governments in place there that sell them the resources for a pittance. I know someone who is married to a man whose father is a "governor" in Zimbabwe. The government is very corrupt, and takes pretty much Sep 21 04:07
DaemonFCwhatever it wants while people live in squalor. The government has guns and the people have nothing, so it doesn't exactly need their support to stay in power. The government officials live quite well.Sep 21 04:07
DaemonFCI always love those "first world problems" memes where people complain that they stood in line for an entire hour to get a video game or some such rubbish.Sep 21 04:07
DaemonFCI think we should hope that there never comes a day where America has its prestige and ability to project force, and has no true allies because of the way it acted while it had those things. There will be...consequences.Sep 21 04:10
DaemonFClostSep 21 04:11
DaemonFCJ. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Sep 21 04:15
DaemonFCThat's also the quickest way to citizenship. Republicans gawk at the swearing in ceremony for people who serve in our military and they scold the president for "giving freebies". Sep 21 04:15
DaemonFCI saw that, and I was like "Really?". Not that any damned disgusting thing that the Republicans do should surprise us these days. And we know they have no respect for people in the military, once they're done using them....Sep 21 04:15
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tizen 3.0 to Ship with Linux Kernel 4.1, DropsSep 21 04:45
TweetTuxMachines                 X for Wayland http://t.co/LqgB8zUuH1Sep 21 04:45
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 21 04:45
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntxftSep 21 04:45
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Worried about Windows 10 privacy? Use LinuxSep 21 07:08
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/BLpNJQ6mj5 (betanews.com)Sep 21 07:08
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntxttSep 21 07:08
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     New to Linux? You Should Start Right Here -Sep 21 07:08
TweetTuxMachines                 Lesson One: Introduction to LinuxSep 21 07:08
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/GBJGEORzDx (news.softpedia.com)Sep 21 07:08
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntxtvSep 21 07:08
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Manjaro Linux KDE 15.09 Gets a Fourth ReleaseSep 21 07:10
TweetTuxMachines                 Candidate with KDE Plasma 5.4.1Sep 21 07:10
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/DwI6KwTbK5 (news.softpedia.com)Sep 21 07:10
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntxu5Sep 21 07:10
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Worried about Windows 10 privacy? Use LinuxSep 21 07:10
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/GfPcpEx0CJ (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 21 07:10
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntxu6Sep 21 07:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     New to Linux? You Should Start Right Here -Sep 21 07:10
TweetTuxMachines                 Lesson One: Introduction to LinuxSep 21 07:10
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/7Mu3urcWpr (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 21 07:10
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntxu7Sep 21 07:10
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Manjaro Linux KDE 15.09 Gets a Fourth ReleaseSep 21 08:06
TweetTuxMachines                 Candidate with KDE Plasma 5.4.1Sep 21 08:06
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/G5Pxs6bSLG (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 21 08:06
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nty05Sep 21 08:06
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Links 21/9/2015: Tizen 3.0, Red Hat's ResultsSep 21 08:06
TweetTuxMachines                 Coming http://t.co/RCHlSJDv6x (techrights.org)Sep 21 08:06
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nty06Sep 21 08:06
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 21/9/2015: Tizen 3.0, Red Hat's Results Coming...'Sep 21 08:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android Leftovers http://t.co/2VptsOPjqESep 21 08:09
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TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nty0iSep 21 08:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: KDE http://t.co/PkHmxeXCAESep 21 08:09
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Gaming Leftovers http://t.co/q0SQNJaRcnSep 21 08:21
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TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nty26Sep 21 08:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos http://t.co/uKe63ofb1VSep 21 08:21
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's leftovers http://t.co/nCArxPjyE7Sep 21 08:21
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*TweetTuxMachines @The_Code_Shirts retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 21/9/2015: Tizen 3.0, Red Hat's Results Coming...'Sep 21 09:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Valve's Steam Controller to Get Driver in LinuxSep 21 09:37
TweetTuxMachines                 Kernel 4.3 http://t.co/gSieofHRaeSep 21 09:37
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Sep 21 09:37
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntyanSep 21 09:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Valve's Steam Controller to Get Driver in LinuxSep 21 09:38
TweetTuxMachines                 Kernel 4.3 http://t.co/mYLjXTjWSaSep 21 09:38
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msb__http://www.rt.com/news/316056-skype-messaging-down-globe/Sep 21 12:49
msb__Skype communication app is down across the globeSep 21 12:50
XRevan86msb__: yaySep 21 12:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     [How To] Install Intel Graphics In Ubuntu 15.04Sep 21 13:02
TweetTuxMachines                 Or Derivatives Linux OS http://t.co/SwoHeRxGqUSep 21 13:02
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 21 13:02
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntz29Sep 21 13:02
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linus Torvalds Announces Linux Kernel 4.3 RC2,Sep 21 13:02
TweetTuxMachines                 Things Are Looking Fairly Calm and SmallSep 21 13:02
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/OO5NEBcUdv (linux.softpedia.com)Sep 21 13:02
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntz2bSep 21 13:02
msb__XRevan86: Actually, it's good for people to have a free global communication method, even if they are using microshit.Sep 21 13:04
msb__The advantage of skype is that it's very easy to use.Sep 21 13:05
XRevan86msb__: Big Google Brother also has an evil easy-to-use thing.Sep 21 13:06
cubexyzcommunication is best by text anywaysSep 21 13:06
cubexyzI don't see any need for a "videophone"Sep 21 13:07
msb__why?Sep 21 13:07
msb__but audio phone is goodSep 21 13:07
msb__It makes people feel more in contact.Sep 21 13:07
cubexyzwhen one is composing text there is more thought put into itSep 21 13:08
cubexyza lot of people ignore their phones Sep 21 13:09
cubexyzbut they will read their emailsSep 21 13:10
cubexyztelemarketing has largely ruined the telephoneSep 21 13:10
msb__One could just as well say that spam has ruined email.Sep 21 13:11
msb__People need to make human contact.Sep 21 13:11
cubexyzthat's a fair point, although gmail has a pretty good spam filterSep 21 13:11
XRevan86One could just as well say that spamassassin saved email :).Sep 21 13:12
msb__I'm starting to realize that the associative/emotional mind is extremely important in achieving human unity and peace.Sep 21 13:12
msb__Skype is still down.  I just tried it.  CanSep 21 13:13
msb__'t log in.Sep 21 13:13
XRevan86msb__: I didn't know you have Skype.Sep 21 13:13
msb__It works with a pulseaudio emulator called apulse.Sep 21 13:13
XRevan86msb__: Yes, it does. Still.Sep 21 13:14
cubexyzMicrosoft acquired skype, that kind of ruins it for meSep 21 13:15
msb__I can understand how  you would feel that way.  I prefer to use IHU with Linux users.Sep 21 13:15
msb__Have you tried it?  Use the "static" one:  http://ihu.sourceforge.net/download.htmlSep 21 13:19
XRevan86msb__: I obviously did %).Sep 21 13:20
msb__XRevan86: updated it from qt3 to qt4Sep 21 13:20
msb__cubexyz: please install it and we'll try talkingSep 21 13:21
XRevan86msb__: Why not WebRTC?Sep 21 13:22
msb__cubexyz: are you there?Sep 21 13:46
msb__cubexyz: are you there?Sep 21 13:52
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msb__cubexyz: are you there?Sep 21 14:32
MinceR>it's good for people to have their computers join another botnetSep 21 14:41
MinceRwhat am i readingSep 21 14:42
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msb__An old grandfather told his grandson: My son, there is a battle Sep 21 14:52
msb__between two wolves inside us all. One is evil. It is anger, Sep 21 14:52
msb__jealousy, greed, and resentment. The other is good. It is joy, Sep 21 14:52
msb__love, hope, humility, kindness, empathy, and bravery.Sep 21 14:52
msb__The boy thought about it, and asked, Grandfather, which wolf wins?Sep 21 14:52
msb__The old man quietly replied, The one you feed.Sep 21 14:52
MinceRnot even one wolf fits inside the human body :>Sep 21 14:52
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jmatoswhat the hell was that last article accusing MSFT of violating the GPL for not releasing the source for Azure's backend?Sep 21 15:00
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jmatosThe GPL only requires distributing the source to whomever you distribute binaries to.Sep 21 15:01
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Microsoft Claims to Have Built ‘Windows’ on TopSep 21 15:02
TweetTuxMachines                 of Linux, But Where is the Source Code (GPL)?Sep 21 15:02
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/0OGasFlfzW (techrights.org)Sep 21 15:02
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linus Torvalds Announces Linux Kernel 4.3 RC2,Sep 21 15:02
TweetTuxMachines                 Things Are Looking Fairly Calm and SmallSep 21 15:02
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/J3kZgfA1EL (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 21 15:02
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntzpwSep 21 15:02
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jmatosDid I misread the article somehow, or was it really about software running on MSFT servers? Because they're under no obligation to disclose any of it.Sep 21 15:07
jmatosOf it were AGPL, they would be, but not GPL.Sep 21 15:07
jmatos*ifSep 21 15:07
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     New to Linux? You Should Start Right Here -Sep 21 15:42
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DaemonFChmmmSep 21 17:51
DaemonFCI disabled ipv6 and my connection issues are gone.Sep 21 17:51
DaemonFCI guess I can limp around with Comcast for a few more weeks. After I move, I'm going with Frontier.Sep 21 17:52
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DaemonFC`http://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-combats-cyberattack-begins-ios-app-store-scrub/Sep 21 20:45
DaemonFC`At least 48 malicious apps have been found in Apple's app store.Sep 21 20:45
DaemonFC`Apple says identified malicious applications which circumvented the iOS App Store's security protocols have been removed to protect mobile users.Sep 21 20:50
DaemonFC`[..]Sep 21 20:50
DaemonFC`As previously reported by ZDNet, the first successful cyberattack launched against the iPad and iPhone maker's mobile app store is due to fraudulent versions of XCode, Apple's integrated development environment (IDE) and software library used to develop iOS and OS X apps.Sep 21 20:50
DaemonFC`At least 48 apps installed by millions of Apple device owners include malware, according to a Palo Alto Networks report.Sep 21 20:50
DaemonFC`The company's security team said the hackers behind the attack took a novel approach to dupe the App Store's processes.Sep 21 20:50
DaemonFC`When XCode was hosted on third-party servers rather than an official Apple domain, some versions would include hidden changes which allowed for the download and execution of malware. This, in turn, was able to bypass Apple's strict security checks.Sep 21 20:50
DaemonFC`The modified version has been dubbed XCodeGhost.Sep 21 20:50
DaemonFC`[...]Sep 21 20:50
DaemonFC`Known infected applications include an old version of WeChat -- which has since been cleaned and upgraded -- and China-related IM systems, banking apps, maps, stock trading apps and games, as well as China Unicom Mobile Office and Railway 12306, which is the only official way to buy train tickets in China.Sep 21 20:50
DaemonFC`Prior to this scenario, only five malicious applications have been discovered in the Apple iOS App Store.Sep 21 20:50
MinceRso much for the alleged security of a locked-down platformSep 21 20:52
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DaemonFC`http://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_rvt_np?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdPage=1&cdThread=Tx354GZN06CYQJD#CustomerDiscussionsNewSep 21 20:52
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DaemonFCI apologize for the random disconnects and whatnot. Comcast sucks.Sep 21 22:16
DaemonFCI hope to be rid of them in a week or two when I move.Sep 21 22:16
DaemonFCI canceled the tech appointment on Saturday because I'm through watching them walk around with their dick in their hand and then blame me for not renting their piece of shit equipment.Sep 21 22:17
DaemonFCMostly old folks live out here so they probably won't get anyone else on the hook when I leave.Sep 21 22:17
DaemonFCI'd switch from Comcast to Frontier here in Huntington if I didn't think I'd be moving very soon. Apparently, Frontier has old copper DSL that's up to 20 Mbps now. I never had a problem with copper DSL and not getting the speed I was paying for. I've mainly stuck to Comcast even though they're lousy because they basically buy you off to stay with them. I've been on some sort of promo for four years now.Sep 21 22:20
DaemonFCThey're like a slum landlord that doesn't fix anything but only charges you $60 a week in rent. Things fall apart, the rent gets cheaper. Eventually, they hope to sell it off to someone else to get it torn down.Sep 21 22:20
DaemonFCTheir merger offer to the FCC to approve the TimeWarner Cable deal was that Comcast would spin off their rural customers into a new company. This was supposed to solve the problem of one fewer broadband ISP in America, but it would have really just been another huge victory for Comcast. They unload all of the customers who make them less profit, and a bunch of aging dilapidated cable infrastructure that hasn't been up to snuff in years and Sep 21 22:23
DaemonFCwould cost a fortune to fix, and then keep all of the profitable big cities.Sep 21 22:23
DaemonFCComcast and other ISPs have also created a WiFi congestion problem in America by sending out billions of 2.4 Ghz band routers that mess each other up when there are too many in one area.Sep 21 22:26
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DaemonFCXFINITY - Ryan, I responded to your PM. Get back to me when you are able. Thanks. -FrankSep 21 22:44
DaemonFCRyan Farmer - Well, that ended with the "blame the customer-owned equipment instead of the power fluctuations on Comcast's line that the technician told me about personally" resolution. Canceled the tech appointment on Saturday. I'm moving soon. Let the next hostage sort this out.Sep 21 22:44
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DaemonFC`Volkswagon programmed their cars to figure out when an emissions inspection was being conducted, and to alter the way the engine operated to limit smog. When the inspection was over, the car would emit up to 40 times the legal amount of smog.Sep 21 22:51
DaemonFC`http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/feds-open-criminal-probe-of-volkswagens-emissions-violations/ar-AAeyZt3Sep 21 22:51
MinceRclassySep 21 22:51
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MinceRapparently only the japanese know how to make cars anymoreSep 21 22:52
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DaemonFC`They got away (for a while) with insisting that the emissions were due to technical glitches because the government didn't have access to the source code of the software that controls the emissions system.Sep 21 22:55
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DaemonFCI got pictures of Comcast's handywork, and sent them to the consumerist.Sep 21 23:52
DaemonFCCheck this shit out.Sep 21 23:52
DaemonFChttps://fbcdn-photos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-0/p280x280/12006077_422918771251493_7892691604965981226_n.jpg?oh=155e74dedd5644cee6788ce4c617de95&oe=56A174CA&__gda__=1449439533_a23189b0787db0f77399b4304b0f2242Sep 21 23:52
DaemonFCThere's the main box. There's a colony of wasps living in it.Sep 21 23:52
DaemonFChttps://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/12038526_422909644585739_2597068879587346778_n.jpg?oh=a7e188273eec623edd30755ac34db327&oe=569B9E33Sep 21 23:53
DaemonFChttps://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtl1/v/t1.0-9/12046710_422909654585738_3961346601684662288_n.jpg?oh=0ce8c91c431b1bce84b4ed004b202ac4&oe=569F4F47Sep 21 23:53
DaemonFChttps://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/12004026_422909664585737_1954919189703149252_n.jpg?oh=1df809d83c1db95710655bf616a84930&oe=569B9616Sep 21 23:53
MinceRlolSep 21 23:53
DaemonFChttps://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12003891_422909751252395_4497221897600460071_n.jpg?oh=3ed3e3a09be9d04bdcf149df068b529a&oe=56635F80Sep 21 23:53
MinceRmakes mowing the lawn fun, i'm sureSep 21 23:53
DaemonFCThere's what they did for another customer in our complex.Sep 21 23:54
DaemonFChttps://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-0/p280x280/11209455_422909264585777_8967485390786922433_n.jpg?oh=58e7c92586695f5e55d7e9376fb14291&oe=56ABEFB0Sep 21 23:54
DaemonFCThere's my box.Sep 21 23:54
DaemonFChttps://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-0/p370x247/12036941_422909277919109_406785813265197392_n.jpg?oh=72475812316ea683215d4ed3b944dff0&oe=56A71151Sep 21 23:54
DaemonFChttps://fbcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-0/p370x247/12032012_422909287919108_6349465711398606327_n.jpg?oh=d50d77180dbe0e296d28f717c61afa94&oe=5696DB99&__gda__=1449122985_d43db9d25774150dbff772e25f67e9f7Sep 21 23:54
DaemonFCMinceR, Yeah, I'll probably have to call that 1-800-Comcast number again when that happens and deal with them trying to make me pay $70 so they can walk around with their dick in their hand.Sep 21 23:58
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DaemonFCMinceR, The US auto companies own major shares of some of the most respected Japanese brands.Sep 22 01:02
DaemonFCI guess they must leave them alone to do their own engineering.Sep 22 01:02
MinceRand QASep 22 01:02
DaemonFCFord is still okay.Sep 22 01:02
DaemonFCI wouldn't drive a GM or Chrysler vehicle unless someone gave me one.Sep 22 01:03
MinceRford "engineers" believe it's a good idea to run m$ software on a carSep 22 01:03
MinceRi'd be hesitant to trust such people with my lifeSep 22 01:03
DaemonFCNot lately.Sep 22 01:03
DaemonFCFord Sync 3 uses QNX.Sep 22 01:03
MinceRthat's a slight reliefSep 22 01:03
DaemonFCI suppose if it's good enough for the Mars rovers it's good enough for a Ford. :)Sep 22 01:04
MinceRso, what did they do with the idiots who thought it was a good idea to run m$ software on a car?Sep 22 01:04
MinceRand what did they do with their "work"?Sep 22 01:04
MinceRi guess QNX is good enough if you don't have to use a mouse or an NIC :>Sep 22 01:04
DaemonFCMinceR, The GUI is similar, but that's about the only thing that was retained.Sep 22 01:06
DaemonFCThey had a lot of problems with the Microsoft stuff.Sep 22 01:06
DaemonFCSo, they quietly discontinued it.Sep 22 01:06
MinceRif they knew what they were doing, they should have seen that ahead of timeSep 22 01:06
DaemonFC"Ford cited issues with Microsoft's complex software dragging down its scores with Consumer Reports and other consumer magazines being a reason it switched to BlackBerry"Sep 22 01:07
DaemonFChttp://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/12/11/ford-sync-3/20234131/Sep 22 01:07
DaemonFC"The Ford-Microsoft relationship dates back to meetings between Bill Ford and Bill Gates and led to the introduction of Sync in 2007. But the Microsoft-based system has suffered from bugs over the years which affected quality scores for Ford and Lincoln vehicles."Sep 22 01:07
DaemonFCMinceR, My 1996 Ford was unaffected by this. :)Sep 22 01:08
DaemonFCThe less software that runs the car, the better.Sep 22 01:09
DaemonFCThey'll have to support the Microsoft models for some time though. Maybe they'll be burned enough to learn a lesson.Sep 22 01:09
MinceRno surpriseSep 22 01:10
MinceRback then m$ was busy wrecking our PCsSep 22 01:10
MinceRnot yet busy trying to kill us on the roadSep 22 01:10
DaemonFCJ. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Sep 22 01:16
DaemonFCThe only thing the Republicans think of as more evil than an American worker trying to provide for his family is a Mexican-American worker trying to do the same thing.Sep 22 01:16
DaemonFCI hope that this disgusting spectacle with Donald Trump goes on to convince them all that the Republican party is not your friend.Sep 22 01:16
DaemonFCIt still boggles the mind how he can have a 13% approval rating among them after saying things like "Mexico mostly sends us their worst." and practically accusing them all of being here to rape white women.Sep 22 01:16
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DaemonFChttp://consumerist.com/2015/09/21/apple-pulls-malware-infected-apps-after-app-store-suffers-its-first-major-breach/Sep 22 01:21
DaemonFCThe Consumerist is reporting the Apple malware fiasco. It could be up to 300 malicious apps in Apple's App Store according to one security company. If Apple pulled 48 of them, then that means more than 250 might still be in there.Sep 22 01:21
DaemonFC"Researchers at Palo Alto Networks, an online security company, said in a blog post that about 40 apps with bad code landed in the App Store, potentially affecting hundreds of millions of users. Chinese online security company Qihoo said it has found more than 300 infected apps, reports the New York Times, including some of China's most popular apps. Others included are available elsewhere as well, like WeChat, a messaging app with 500 Sep 22 01:21
DaemonFCmillion users."Sep 22 01:21
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DaemonFCJ. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Sep 22 01:56
DaemonFCThey're freaking out about their angry customers switching to Android en masse and tried creating a Move to iOS app on the Google Play Store.Sep 22 01:56
DaemonFCApple's policies forbid any app store developer from even saying "Android", so this is hypocritical. I downloaded it just to give it a 1 star review. They've been review ambushed by about 20,000 other people that did that.Sep 22 01:56
DaemonFCJ. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Sep 22 01:56
DaemonFChttp://en.yibada.com/articles/65219/20150920/apples-move-to-ios-android-app-easy-to-use-but-with-data-loss.htmSep 22 01:56
DaemonFCApparently, we're now getting word that Apple's Move to iOS app might not even actually move all your stuff to iOS. It will silently drop files like pictures at random without telling you, if the iOS device runs out of space, which is likely, considering the base models only have about 8-16 GB of storage. The base Galaxy S6 comes with 32.Sep 22 01:56
MinceRlolSep 22 01:56
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DaemonFCMinceR, Comcast perked up when I told them I plastered those photos all over my Facebook wall, Amazon Forums, Twitter, and sent a copy to The Consumerist.Sep 22 02:01
DaemonFCLosing one customer? Who cares. Damaging photos get to many people. Now they care.Sep 22 02:02
MinceRlolSep 22 02:03
DaemonFCI said to Comcast on Facebook:Sep 22 02:06
DaemonFCI think that they may have to do something with the box if that really is being used. I didn't hear the technician outside screaming in agony, so I presume it hasn't been given any attention in some time. It generally takes wasps an entire season to set up a colony that size, so please do tell him to be careful.Sep 22 02:06
MinceRlolSep 22 02:07
MinceRhe should bring a large dose of pyrethroidsSep 22 02:08
DaemonFChttp://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/09/microsoft-has-built-software-but-not-a-linux-distribution-for-its-software-switches/Sep 22 02:36
DaemonFCThey're pulling a Google.Sep 22 02:36
DaemonFCThey can do anything they want with it as long as it never leaves Microsoft.Sep 22 02:37
DaemonFCJason Ramos - iPhone users! Am I right? You ask an iPhone user how much memory his phone has and he says purple.Sep 22 03:00
MinceRlolSep 22 03:01
MinceR"i want the one with the more jeebees!"Sep 22 03:01
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msb_DaemonFC`: You can get a wasp bomb at the supermarket or hardware store that shoots a stream of liquid insecticide at a wasp nest from a safe distance.  Kills every one.Sep 22 04:33
msb_Then you knock it down with a garden hose, stomp any larvae, and throw the thing in the garbageSep 22 04:36
msb_Congratulate yourself on being of a more technologically advanced  species, and hope the karma doesn't get you in your next life.Sep 22 04:42
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msb_http://www.riseearth.com/2014/09/the-unstoppable-awakening-of-humanity.htmlSep 22 05:14
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msb_I guess  your wasps are on the ground.  You're not expecting the Comcast guy to kill them are you?  That's the homeowner's responsibility.  Their's is just to fix your service.Sep 22 05:57
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MinceRhttps://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12011156_942057732516669_6816384571148307362_n.jpg?oh=ad7da4a4a65a37ca5dc5b7e686dc47fb&oe=569EFAFBSep 22 14:39
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__martin__gosh i got pissed offSep 22 18:22
__martin__this garret uefi apologistSep 22 18:22
__martin__just cannot stop usingSep 22 18:22
__martin__bogus "IP" terminologySep 22 18:22
__martin__in his postsSep 22 18:22
__martin__genuine FLOSS advocateSep 22 18:23
__martin__..Sep 22 18:23
__martin__meanwhile in americasSep 22 18:28
__martin__the kid who dissasembled the ebay clockSep 22 18:28
__martin__gets a nasty gift from mr. presidentSep 22 18:29
__martin__surface pro 3Sep 22 18:29
__martin__disassembled*Sep 22 18:30
msb_This is good!  2nd option in VideoDownloadHelper gets the David Icke video as mp4.  http://www.riseearth.com/2014/09/the-unstoppable-awakening-of-humanity.htmlSep 22 18:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.riseearth.com | The Unstoppable Awakening of Humanity | RiseEarth [ http://ur1.ca/nua1c ]Sep 22 18:31
__martin__btw, that google's compression algorithm update is under apache 2.0Sep 22 18:33
__martin__apache license*Sep 22 18:33
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msb_That video 480x360, 6.5 minutes, is only 17MB.  Only about 3x the size of an mp3 song of the same length!Sep 22 18:36
__martin__(=Sep 22 18:36
__martin__actuallySep 22 18:37
__martin__it reminded me episode from silicon valley seriesSep 22 18:37
__martin__with their piedpiper start-upSep 22 18:37
__martin__:DDSep 22 18:37
msb_Syriza won, Jeremy Corbyn won, Bernie Sanders is  putting out a lot of great ideas, even Putin is trying to stabilize Syria.Sep 22 18:38
DaemonFCRyan FarmerSep 22 18:38
DaemonFCJust now · Sep 22 18:38
DaemonFCAn Oklahoma Christian pre-school teacher ordered a 4 year old to write with his right hand, because "the devil is often portrayed as left-handed".Sep 22 18:38
DaemonFCI guess that would explain Ronald (6 letters) Wilson (6 letters) Reagan (6 letters), who was left-handed.Sep 22 18:38
__martin__italian pm renzi is bit**ing corbyn alreadySep 22 18:38
__martin__renzi = new tony blairSep 22 18:38
__martin__when i've been to veniceSep 22 18:38
__martin__in late maySep 22 18:39
__martin__at one corner of a building next to the dockyardSep 22 18:39
__martin__there were under the roofSep 22 18:39
MinceRhttps://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11949558_1055282981182707_796602506834544818_n.jpg?oh=5fffa5d55f92d3723320abe63c185ab2&oe=569E809BSep 22 18:39
__martin__six CCTV cams..Sep 22 18:39
__martin__6Sep 22 18:39
MinceRand a partridge in a pear treeSep 22 18:39
__martin__at one placeSep 22 18:39
__martin__MinceR: :_D yaySep 22 18:40
__martin__you two apparently hate each other a bitSep 22 18:40
MinceRlolSep 22 18:40
__martin__or just like to troll me on both waysSep 22 18:40
__martin__but waitSep 22 18:41
__martin__intelligent awakened personsSep 22 18:41
msb_Chemtrails come from govt:  http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/Sep 22 18:41
__martin__suppress all the hate right?Sep 22 18:41
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MinceRyeah, and they turn the other cheekSep 22 18:42
MinceRand then get killedSep 22 18:42
msb_I think one of the most important aspects of the change is from left-brain sequential-logical to right-brain associative-dreamy-lyrical.Sep 22 18:50
msb_I think that's one of the things that psychedelics like cannabis do.Sep 22 18:51
MinceRiirc the whole "left-brain/right-brain" thing is a gross oversimplificationSep 22 18:52
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msb___martin__: What I'm saying has nothing to do with trolling.  It's stuff that I've recently come across and also have been working on for a while.Sep 22 18:53
__martin__what if i am a half-left hander?Sep 22 18:56
__martin__writing with left, cutting with rightSep 22 18:56
MinceRthen you break their modelSep 22 18:57
MinceRand they'll resent you for itSep 22 18:57
msb_I don't know how left-handedness relates to the two-brains idea. Sep 22 18:57
msb_But everyone has the two _minds_, no matter where they're located.Sep 22 18:58
msb_So maybe it's better to talk about a shift to the associative/imagining/lyrical _mind_.Sep 22 18:59
__martin__msb_: Sep 22 19:38
__martin__i especially liked the part in that vidSep 22 19:39
__martin__telling aboutSep 22 19:39
__martin__how there is no real needSep 22 19:39
__martin__for any such lawsSep 22 19:39
__martin__concerning murders Sep 22 19:39
__martin__when folks have their minds rightSep 22 19:39
__martin__but unfortunatelySep 22 19:39
__martin__the reality i live in isSep 22 19:39
__martin__that my father is burreaucratSep 22 19:39
__martin__catching up with all the latest "enviro laws" [sic]Sep 22 19:40
__martin__that won't have any measurable effectSep 22 19:40
__martin__and are just getting more obstructedSep 22 19:40
__martin__with every novelizationSep 22 19:40
__martin__or how you call that processSep 22 19:40
__martin__of "upgrading" a "law" [sic]Sep 22 19:40
__martin__(=Sep 22 19:40
__martin__tspiras is going to have to ramp up taxesSep 22 19:41
__martin__ballot turnout was lowSep 22 19:41
__martin__people don't care about voting system anymoreSep 22 19:42
__martin__is it still relevant.. that the HQ of M$ were the first ever on the globe that were destroyed or rampantly damaged during a civil unrest with no occurence elsewhere?Sep 22 19:43
__martin__i thought that students in argentina did the sameSep 22 19:43
__martin__wellSep 22 19:43
*__martin__ must have asked fauno from parabola.nu projectSep 22 19:43
msb_Icke was talking about the future many years from now.  The laws are necessary now.Sep 22 19:45
msb_The whole capitalist economic system needs restructuring or elimination.  While technology can now produce plenty for everyone, it's reducing the number of jobs so creating more poverty, which is an insane result.Sep 22 19:47
msb_The enormous maldistribution of wealth is also insane.Sep 22 19:48
__martin__if only we could read warren buffet's mindSep 22 19:49
__martin__for more insightSep 22 19:49
__martin__direct oneSep 22 19:49
__martin__yest. i was looking at propaganda page of mr. gatesSep 22 19:51
__martin__globalcitizen.orgSep 22 19:51
msb_Worker-owned co-op businesses must be part of the solution.  Or socialist-redistributive governments.Sep 22 19:52
msb_"private property" is great for individuals, but for the ultra-wealthy causes poverty for everyone else.Sep 22 19:53
__martin__wellSep 22 19:54
__martin__what do we doSep 22 19:54
msb_Talk about it widely, for one thing.Sep 22 19:54
__martin__wait unless more factories got rid of human labourSep 22 19:54
__martin__and help organize the follow-up civic unrestSep 22 19:55
msb_There's plenty of cause for civic unrest now.Sep 22 19:55
__martin__well yesSep 22 19:55
__martin__but folks out there are numbed to violenceSep 22 19:56
__martin__i forgotSep 22 19:56
msb_The important thing is not violence, but information, communication, organization.  Internet and Linux big help!Sep 22 19:57
__martin__but data silos have taken appropriate measures not to be distracted with shrieking geeksSep 22 19:58
__martin__i mean effective censorshipSep 22 19:58
msb_XRevan86 just turned me on to Firefox Hello, a nice audio/video comm system, alternate to skype.Sep 22 19:58
__martin__know itSep 22 19:59
__martin__registered ff acc already when i first ran up fxos market for agpl im appSep 22 19:59
__martin__regards software i try to infiltrate gaming communitiesSep 22 19:59
__martin__and open up eyes of othersSep 22 19:59
msb_yes!Sep 22 20:00
__martin__but i paid dearlySep 22 20:00
__martin__with reputationSep 22 20:00
msb_There are plenty of uncensored alternative news services.Sep 22 20:00
__martin__when i did not underline my preaching with proper argumentsSep 22 20:01
__martin__so there is space to better myself upSep 22 20:01
msb_Global Research  http://www.globalresearch.ca/Sep 22 20:01
msb_Op-Ed News  http://www.opednews.com/Sep 22 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | Global Research - Centre for Research on GlobalizationSep 22 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.opednews.com | Opednews.com Progressive, Liberal United States and International News, Opinion, Op-Eds and PoliticsSep 22 20:01
msb_Truth-Out  http://www.truth-out.org/Sep 22 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.truth-out.org | Truthout | Fearless, Independent News and OpinionSep 22 20:01
msb_Free Critical Thinking  http://freecriticalthinking.org/Sep 22 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freecriticalthinking.org | HomeSep 22 20:01
msb_Paul Craig Roberts  http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/Sep 22 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.paulcraigroberts.org | Paul Craig Roberts - Official HomepageSep 22 20:01
msb_Common Dreams  http://www.commondreams.org/Sep 22 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for the Progressive CommunitySep 22 20:01
msb_TomDispatch  http://www.tomdispatch.com/Sep 22 20:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomdispatch.com | TomDispatchSep 22 20:01
msb_TeleSUR  http://www.telesurtv.net/english/index.htmlSep 22 20:01
msb_New Eastern Outlook  http://journal-neo.org/Sep 22 20:01
msb_Russia Today  http://www.rt.com/Sep 22 20:01
__martin__http://presstv.ir/Sep 22 20:02
msb_Thanks, added to list.Sep 22 20:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.telesurtv.net | NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/nuamj ]Sep 22 20:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-journal-neo.org | New Eastern OutlookSep 22 20:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | RTSep 22 20:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-presstv.ir | PressTV - HomepageSep 22 20:02
DaemonFCJ. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Sep 22 20:07
DaemonFCActually, Christians hate atheists worse than Muslims according to polls. They are under the delusion that ethics and morals come from the bible. When you read the bible, it should be obvious that it's not a source of good ethics or morals.Sep 22 20:07
DaemonFCI noticed that the Science Fiction section at the local library was a bit sparse, so I moved all of "The Bible" from the History Channel over to that section to fill in the gaps. I put it over next to the Stargate SG-1, which was about elite groups of United States Air Force units that spent ten seasons kicking the butts of false gods.Sep 22 20:07
__martin__fyiSep 22 20:12
__martin__beginning with firefox 41Sep 22 20:12
__martin__hello has text messagingSep 22 20:13
__martin__as you may have noted from the release notesSep 22 20:13
__martin__prior had just voice/videoSep 22 20:13
__martin__then there is tox.chat / mumble.sourceforge.net / matrix.orgSep 22 20:14
__martin__all of themSep 22 20:14
__martin__such a decent alternativesSep 22 20:14
__martin__evenSep 22 20:18
__martin__diaspora should have imSep 22 20:18
__martin__in some dev branchSep 22 20:18
__martin__somehowSep 22 20:18
__martin__my friends think am putting malwareSep 22 20:19
__martin__into their androidsSep 22 20:19
__martin__whence setting up jabberSep 22 20:19
__martin__but what worries me the mostSep 22 20:19
__martin__is Sep 22 20:19
__martin__attention span of peopleSep 22 20:19
__martin__lack of concentrationSep 22 20:19
__martin__proofreadingSep 22 20:20
__martin__anythingSep 22 20:20
msb_There are so many communication methods on the Net that censorship is impossible.  Everyone can have an uncensored website, which is a _broadcast_ site, for $10/month.Sep 22 20:20
msb_Hopefully when given good examples to follow, the great unwashed masses will become less goofy.Sep 22 20:21
__martin__how about that outskirts protest with navalniy?Sep 22 20:24
__martin__any outcomes?Sep 22 20:24
msb_Alexei Navalny, Russian critic?Sep 22 20:26
__martin__yesSep 22 20:26
__martin__is he paid for that agenda or doing it from inner persuation?Sep 22 20:26
msb_Never heard of him til now.Sep 22 20:26
msb_Please give a link to his ideas/protest.Sep 22 20:27
XRevan86msb_: You didn't hear about Alexey Navalny?Sep 22 20:27
msb_nopeSep 22 20:27
XRevan86msb_: He's a "national liberalist".Sep 22 20:27
XRevan86pro-NATOSep 22 20:28
msb_This is instructive:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_NavalnySep 22 20:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Alexei Navalny - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nuass ]Sep 22 20:29
XRevan86He did some good stuff in current regime critisism.Sep 22 20:30
msb_Could be US agent?Sep 22 20:30
XRevan86but he's mostly a moronSep 22 20:30
XRevan86msb_: If question is whether US pays him, I have no idea.Sep 22 20:31
msb_HeSep 22 20:32
msb_He's not getting reported on by RT.  8^)Sep 22 20:32
__martin__yesSep 22 20:33
__martin__it's funnySep 22 20:33
__martin__how domestic coverage of affairsSep 22 20:33
__martin__limits itself to military paradesSep 22 20:33
__martin__majority of the timeSep 22 20:33
__martin__butSep 22 20:33
__martin__snowden/assange gets regularsSep 22 20:33
msb_On one recent RT show, a journalist blamed Putin for 8,000 deaths in Donbass because he promised to protect the people there, and when they asked for autonomy and were shelled by the Kiev Nazi govt, Putin did nothing.Sep 22 20:35
XRevan86msb_: You know my opinion.Sep 22 20:35
__martin__it's a deadlockSep 22 20:36
__martin__he grabs more of crimeaSep 22 20:36
__martin__un shells his troopsSep 22 20:36
__martin__he withdaws strengthened border watchSep 22 20:36
__martin__he looses reputation at homeSep 22 20:36
__martin__..Sep 22 20:36
__martin__just my two centsSep 22 20:36
__martin__hits his*Sep 22 20:36
__martin__nato**Sep 22 20:37
msb_right, not UNSep 22 20:37
msb_700,000 refugees from Ukraine have come to Russia!Sep 22 20:37
msb_Since the Nazi takeover.Sep 22 20:38
__martin__culture remixSep 22 20:38
msb_Or "Banderist" as the journalists put it.Sep 22 20:38
__martin__aging europe > breeding mashupSep 22 20:38
XRevan86__martin__: Culture remix?Sep 22 20:38
__martin__overpopulated asia >> shiny new vaccinesSep 22 20:39
XRevan86msb_: I even personally know a guy who migrated to St. Petersburg from Ukraine to avoid being called to army.Sep 22 20:39
msb_"Euthanasia for youth in Asia"Sep 22 20:40
XRevan86GNU/Linux user, journalist.Sep 22 20:40
msb_It's not culture.  Russians don't like Nazis.  They have long memories.Sep 22 20:40
XRevan86What cultures are you talking about?Sep 22 20:41
__martin__me personallySep 22 20:41
__martin__was talking about mostly conservative christian europeSep 22 20:41
__martin__and more open-minded islamic refugees coming upSep 22 20:41
__martin__they might slow down population agingSep 22 20:41
__martin__that's itSep 22 20:41
XRevan86__martin__: Ah, I thought you were talking about Russia.Sep 22 20:42
msb_Are any Islamics open-minded?  Seems to me that religion turns people into programmed robots.Sep 22 20:44
__martin__wellSep 22 20:44
__martin__let's assume i might have picked wrong adjective for thatSep 22 20:45
__martin__but we shall see if merkel can transform them into ruby codersSep 22 20:45
__martin__yetSep 22 20:45
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msb_That would be nice.  Ruby is great!Sep 22 20:45
XRevan86msb_: Yes, religion does that.Sep 22 20:45
msb_Judeo-Christian-Islamic religion does that.  Not Wicca.Sep 22 20:46
msb_XRevan86: The Cosmic Church of the Orgone Goddess sends blessings upon you!Sep 22 20:48
msb_and your Cat!Sep 22 20:48
XRevan86msb_: Slacky Church of the name of Patrick Volkerding sends slackbuilds upon you!Sep 22 20:49
msb_Thank you!  I can always use more Slack!Sep 22 20:50
__martin__nice (=Sep 22 20:53
__martin__the mouse ir dongleSep 22 20:53
__martin__interferes with my audio jack cableSep 22 20:53
__martin__lolSep 22 20:54
msb_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SlackwareSep 22 20:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Slackware - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaSep 22 20:54
__martin__salix is nice for a startSep 22 20:54
__martin__with xfceSep 22 20:54
msb_No public software repository?  No dependency resolution of software packages?Sep 22 20:54
XRevan86msb_: Sounds like Slackware.Sep 22 20:55
msb_Sounds like a bit too much slack.Sep 22 20:55
DaemonFCHuntington City-Township Public Library celebrating successSep 22 20:56
DaemonFCSeptember 17 at 10:32am · Sep 22 20:56
DaemonFCThe TAB has added our article online - we're happy and proud to share!Sep 22 20:56
DaemonFChttp://www.huntingtoncountytab.com/feature/35146/residents-liking-huntington-markle-libraries-more-circulation-surgesSep 22 20:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.huntingtoncountytab.com | Residents liking Huntington, Markle libraries more as circulation surges | Huntington County Tab [ http://ur1.ca/nuayh ]Sep 22 20:56
DaemonFCRyan Farmer I wish the Science Fiction section was stocked as well as the Religious section. I have an idea. Move the History Channel's "The Bible" series over near the Stargate SG-1. Problem solved. Or, you know, maybe they could pick up Stargate SG-1 for an eleventh series and do some cross-branding, and we find out that God is a Goa'uld System Lord.Sep 22 20:56
msb_Do his eyes glow?  We know his bush burns.Sep 22 20:57
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DaemonFCRyan Farmer I had to call several times to have The Huntington Tab stop littering my doorstep. Their letters to the editor are always someone screaming about Jesus or Obama or wind farms, and the paper is too course to use as bathroom tissue, so you can see the problem.Sep 22 20:59
DaemonFCcoarseSep 22 20:59
DaemonFCdamned autocorrectSep 22 20:59
__martin__regards volkswagen's emissions firmware Sep 22 21:00
__martin__"EPA is asking the Copyright Office to leave copyright law in place as a barrier to a wide range of activities that are perfectly legal under environmental regulations: ecomodding that actually improves emissions and fuel economy, modification of vehicles for off-road racing, or activities that have nothing to do with pollution. The EPA is undermining its own ability to issue nuanced regulation in tSep 22 21:00
msb_burn in fireplace in winter?Sep 22 21:00
__martin__his space, as well as its ability to learn about large-scale violations of the law committed by manufacturers."Sep 22 21:00
XRevan86msb_: There's a very old Russian meme, saying that Patrick is God :).Sep 22 21:01
msb_XRevan86: Have you seen the TV series Stargate SG-1?  It's very good.  Has a scientific genius woman.Sep 22 21:03
XRevan86msb_: I did, also SG:A and SG:U.Sep 22 21:03
msb_I love the episode where she goes into a dimensional mirror and enters an alternate reality where she meets herself and they work together!Sep 22 21:08
__martin__"a Microsoft researcher worked with computer scientists from West Virginia University and UC Santa Barbara to create a Twitter platform called "Botivist," which acts as a tool for activists to recruit volunteers on social media for campaigns"Sep 22 21:27
__martin__"As for Microsoft’s involvement, the paper appears on the company's research site, although Savage said she was told not to talk about the company’s involvement. The Microsoft researcher, Andres Monroy-Hernandez, did not respond to my request for comment on why Microsoft took part in the work. The paper will be presented at the 2016 ACM conference on Computer-Supported Cooperative Work and SociaSep 22 21:28
__martin__l Computing, according to Microsoft’s site."Sep 22 21:28
__martin__it impresses meSep 22 21:28
__martin__in what waysSep 22 21:28
__martin__they try to monetizeSep 22 21:28
__martin__yaySep 22 21:37
__martin__msb_: you say associative brain..Sep 22 21:37
__martin__:_DDSep 22 21:37
__martin__http://motherboard.vice.com/read/president-kanye-westSep 22 21:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-motherboard.vice.com | What a Kanye Presidency Would Look Like | Motherboard [ http://ur1.ca/nub8c ]Sep 22 21:37
__martin__brain said to me >> rottentomatoes.com/http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/idiocracy/Sep 22 21:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rottentomatoes.com | Idiocracy (2006) - Rotten Tomatoes [ http://ur1.ca/nub8g ]Sep 22 21:37
msb_brb#2Sep 22 21:38
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msb_back nowSep 22 22:23
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msb_Kanye West is quite a colorful guy!  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanye_West  I guess he does represent a possible example of a President favoring his associative/lyrical mind.Sep 22 22:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Kanye West - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaSep 22 22:45
msb_I don't understand the connection with Idiocracy.  We need both minds, cooperating, neither dominant.Sep 22 22:46
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MinceR215610 < DaemonFC> Ryan Farmer I wish the Science Fiction section was stocked as well as the Religious section. I have an idea. Move the History Channel's "The Bible" Sep 22 23:29
MinceR                   series over near the Stargate SG-1. Problem solved. Or, you know, maybe they could pick up Stargate SG-1 for an eleventh series and do some Sep 22 23:29
MinceR                   cross-branding, and we find out that God is a Goa'uld System Lord.Sep 22 23:29
MinceRyahweh == the OriSep 22 23:29
MinceRand the ori got their asses kicked :>Sep 22 23:29
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MinceRDaemonFC: Sep 23 01:58
MinceR002926 < MinceR> yahweh == the OriSep 23 01:58
MinceR002931 < MinceR> and the ori got their asses kicked :>Sep 23 01:58
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DaemonFCJ. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Sep 23 07:38
DaemonFCYou have to hand it to a guy who manages to go from "nobody has ever heard of him until today" to "most hated man in America" in a matter of hours.Sep 23 07:38
DaemonFCI don't think that Shkreli would have any problems becoming a "card-carrying" member of the Republican Party, except that he may be too open about his views. His views probably aren't too much different than Paul Ryan's.Sep 23 07:38
DaemonFCHopefully, his SEC case goes so well that he ends up in prison over cheating some other rich people. It's about the best we can hope for.Sep 23 07:38
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cubexyzmy own stats for web browsers:Sep 23 08:24
cubexyzFirefox 40%Sep 23 08:24
cubexyzChrome 30%Sep 23 08:24
cubexyzIE 12%Sep 23 08:24
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Bitcoin micropayments device runs Linux onSep 23 08:55
TweetTuxMachines                 Raspberry Pi http://t.co/C09SdIquHzSep 23 08:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Bitcoin micropayments device runs Linux on Raspberry Pi ·  LinuxGizmos.comSep 23 08:55
TweetTuxMachines                 (linuxgizmos.com)Sep 23 08:55
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nue6pSep 23 08:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux doesn't get in my waySep 23 08:56
TweetTuxMachines                  http://t.co/IwWCaaBn5N (opensource.com)Sep 23 08:56
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nue6qSep 23 08:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com | Chris Hermansen's Linux story | Opensource.comSep 23 08:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     m23 Rock 15.2 Linux Deployment Tool SupportsSep 23 08:56
TweetTuxMachines                 Debian 8, Linux Mint 17.2, and systemdSep 23 08:56
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/A6SahM0WdS (news.softpedia.com)Sep 23 08:56
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nue6rSep 23 08:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | m23 Rock 15.2 Linux Deployment Tool Supports Debian 8, Linux Mint 17.2, and systemd - SoftpediaSep 23 08:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Bitcoin micropayments device runs Linux onSep 23 08:56
TweetTuxMachines                 Raspberry Pi http://t.co/kOPblOceL0Sep 23 08:56
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 08:56
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nue6sSep 23 08:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Bitcoin micropayments device runs Linux on Raspberry Pi | Tux MachinesSep 23 08:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Updates to Firefox Accounts and Firefox HelloSep 23 08:56
TweetTuxMachines                 Beta http://t.co/vwZS4fdfAWSep 23 08:56
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 08:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Updates to Firefox Accounts and Firefox Hello Beta | Tux MachinesSep 23 08:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux doesn't get in my waySep 23 08:56
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/YmXqcMPHT9 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 08:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux doesn't get in my way | Tux MachinesSep 23 08:56
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     m23 Rock 15.2 Linux Deployment Tool SupportsSep 23 09:44
TweetTuxMachines                 Debian 8, Linux Mint 17.2, and systemdSep 23 09:44
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/eElbNN2h0B (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 09:44
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nueclSep 23 09:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | m23 Rock 15.2 Linux Deployment Tool Supports Debian 8, Linux Mint 17.2, and systemd | Tux MachinesSep 23 09:44
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     What's New in Ubuntu 15.10Sep 23 09:44
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/xeTGUOr3bX (news.softpedia.com)Sep 23 09:44
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuecmSep 23 09:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | What's New in Ubuntu 15.10 - SoftpediaSep 23 09:44
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     "I purchased the original MIPS Creator CI20 andSep 23 10:18
TweetTuxMachines                 the Raspberry Pi 2 on their release." Sep 23 10:18
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/Lpxfwgrg4y (gofk.tumblr.com)Sep 23 10:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gofk.tumblr.com | gofk Blog — Creator CI20 - Debian 8 beta image I purchased...Sep 23 10:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Edward Snowden's Favorite Anonymous Live CD,Sep 23 10:18
TweetTuxMachines                 Tails, Updates Tor Browser and I2PSep 23 10:18
TweetTuxMachines                  http://t.co/djDPGL5Pan (linux.softpedia.com)Sep 23 10:18
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuehwSep 23 10:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Edward Snowden's Favorite Anonymous Live CD, Tails, Updates Tor Browser and I2P - SoftpediaSep 23 10:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     In the Seed of a Raspberry Is the Future ofSep 23 10:18
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux http://t.co/y73kWx4uPG (fossforce.com)Sep 23 10:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | In the Seed of a Raspberry Is the Future of Linux | FOSS ForceSep 23 10:18
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Edward Snowden's Favorite Anonymous Live CD,Sep 23 10:19
TweetTuxMachines                 Tails, Updates Tor Browser and I2PSep 23 10:19
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/rHslv3gucI (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 10:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Edward Snowden's Favorite Anonymous Live CD, Tails, Updates Tor Browser and I2P | Tux MachinesSep 23 10:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     In the Seed of a Raspberry Is the Future ofSep 23 10:19
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux http://t.co/b9oZwfKTMQSep 23 10:19
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 10:19
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuei0Sep 23 10:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     How to earn respect as a leaderSep 23 10:19
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/LPxhA6wvRv (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 10:19
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuei1Sep 23 10:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | In the Seed of a Raspberry Is the Future of Linux | Tux MachinesSep 23 10:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to earn respect as a leader | Tux MachinesSep 23 10:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos http://t.co/Fklbm2YjjFSep 23 10:41
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TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nueliSep 23 10:41
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights http://t.co/FHTctgRyFtSep 23 10:41
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 10:41
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tiny µQseven module runs Android and Linux onSep 23 10:41
TweetTuxMachines                 i.MX6 http://t.co/HK4H1F4tCI (linuxgizmos.com)Sep 23 10:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Tiny µQseven module runs Android and Linux on i.MX6 ·  LinuxGizmos.comSep 23 10:41
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     SOMA, Frictional Games Latest Horror &Sep 23 11:37
TweetTuxMachines                 Adventure Game Released For Linux, Some InitialSep 23 11:37
TweetTuxMachines                 Thoughts http://t.co/nYevMOeWCwSep 23 11:37
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.gamingonlinux.com)Sep 23 11:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | SOMA, Frictional Games Latest Horror & Adventure Game Released For Linux, Some Initial Thoughts | GamingOnLinuxSep 23 11:37
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Yes, the FCC might ban your operating systemSep 23 11:37
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/oJ0XpzWBZc (prpl.works)Sep 23 11:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-prpl.works | Yes, the FCC might ban your operating system | prpl.worksSep 23 11:37
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Kernel 4.2.1 Is Out for Grabs with ARM,Sep 23 11:37
TweetTuxMachines                 Intel i915, and XFS ImprovementsSep 23 11:37
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/Nmg8Ia1kVD (news.softpedia.com)Sep 23 11:37
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tiny µQseven module runs Android and Linux onSep 23 11:38
TweetTuxMachines                 i.MX6 http://t.co/iHH955XSDySep 23 11:38
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Gaming Leftovers http://t.co/OmytM0h3ZUSep 23 11:38
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TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nueuiSep 23 11:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Gaming Leftovers | Tux MachinesSep 23 11:38
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Upload Photos On Flickr With Frogr FlickrSep 23 11:38
TweetTuxMachines                 Upload Client For Linux http://t.co/mz8Y8PvwCdSep 23 11:38
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 11:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Upload Photos On Flickr With Frogr Flickr Upload Client For Linux | Tux MachinesSep 23 11:38
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Yes, the FCC might ban your operating systemSep 23 11:38
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/Z8TsXLMnv6 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 11:38
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nueukSep 23 11:38
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Kernel Releases http://t.co/uPlMrPdeqQSep 23 12:47
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 12:47
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights http://t.co/FHTctgRyFtSep 23 12:47
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TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    Sep 23 12:47
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MinceRhttp://www.commitstrip.com/en/2015/09/22/software-worth-billions/Sep 23 13:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commitstrip.com | Software worth billions… | CommitStrip - Blog relating the daily life of web agencies developers [ http://ur1.ca/nufen ]Sep 23 13:36
msb_Drug whose price was raised from $13 to $750 per pill costs $1/pill to produce.Sep 23 13:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tizen 2.4 beta SDK IntroductionSep 23 14:04
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/pzoD88kzwa (www.tizenexperts.com)Sep 23 14:04
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nufjtSep 23 14:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | [Video] Tizen 2.4 beta SDK Introduction - Tizen ExpertsSep 23 14:04
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Touch OTA-7 Delayed for October 19Sep 23 14:04
TweetTuxMachines                 Because of Chinese Golden WeekSep 23 14:04
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/DX1KSN66TC (news.softpedia.com)Sep 23 14:04
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nufjuSep 23 14:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch OTA-7 Delayed for October 19 Because of Chinese Golden Week - SoftpediaSep 23 14:04
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     "it's highly likely that Volkswagen vehiclesSep 23 14:25
TweetTuxMachines                 have Linux in them." http://t.co/VgMRV6fXFFSep 23 14:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ebb.org | The EPA Deserves Software Freedom, Too - Bradley M. Kuhn ( Brad ) ( bkuhn )Sep 23 14:25
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TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nufoaSep 23 14:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tizen Releases http://t.co/9GXKvmBNqZSep 23 14:25
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 14:25
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     OSS Leftovers http://t.co/30RsHFDX7qSep 23 14:25
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Leftovers http://t.co/Wm5ekGG9GTSep 23 14:25
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Fedora 23 Beta and More http://t.co/7TUH6NBlmRSep 23 15:53
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The EPA Deserves Software Freedom, TooSep 23 15:53
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msb_Hoo-ha I am installing the latest Ruby 2.2.3!  Sep 23 20:48
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos http://t.co/momWZltwWlSep 23 21:29
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 21:29
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TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuhvpSep 23 21:29
*TweetTuxMachines @linuxaio favourited 'Linux AIO Announces an All-In-One ISO Image with...'Sep 23 21:29
*TweetTuxMachines @linuxaio favourited 'Linux AIO Announces an All-In-One ISO Image with...'Sep 23 22:03
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Changes at TechrightsSep 23 22:03
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     7 years of Android: A painful journey to worldSep 23 22:03
TweetTuxMachines                 dominance http://t.co/BkniiGyvB7Sep 23 22:03
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.welivesecurity.com)Sep 23 22:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.welivesecurity.com | 7 years of Android: A painful journey to world dominanceSep 23 22:03
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tips for Improving the Linux Desktop SecuritySep 23 22:39
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MinceRhttps://www.youbetrayedus.org/Sep 24 01:59
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MinceRhttp://www.madmagazine.com/blog/2015/09/23/road-trick-a-magazine-wed-like-to-seeSep 24 02:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.madmagazine.com | Road & Trick: A Magazine We’d Like to See | Mad Magazine [ http://ur1.ca/nujgd ]Sep 24 02:57
msb_http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/09/23/russias-false-hopes-paul-craig-roberts/Sep 24 03:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.paulcraigroberts.org | Russia’s False Hopes -- Paul Craig Roberts - PaulCraigRoberts.org [ http://ur1.ca/nujij ]Sep 24 03:11
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cubexyzMicrosoft was never an "open source company"Sep 24 05:02
cubexyzthe very idea is ridiculous, they are a closed source company Sep 24 05:02
cubexyzMicrosoft has violated the GPL beforeSep 24 05:04
cubexyzwith their Windows 7 USB/DVD Download ToolSep 24 05:05
cubexyzI hear silly complaints all the time: "It's hard to do closed source on Linux" HA!Sep 24 05:10
cubexyzUnix is about source code, it's not about binary compatibilitySep 24 05:12
cubexyzThe Unix paradigm is NOT good for closed source software developers, and that's a good thingSep 24 05:14
cubexyzMicrosoft did actually try to do that... it was called XenixSep 24 05:16
cubexyzeventually they stopped, shoved it over to SCOSep 24 05:16
cubexyzwas Xenix open source? Of course notSep 24 05:16
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cubexyzok, small update on computer longevity...Sep 24 06:50
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/computer-longevity.txtSep 24 06:50
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cubexyzAcer monitors are OK.... but Acer laptops kind of suckSep 24 06:52
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__martin__eben moglen in nytimes!Sep 24 11:40
__martin__newspeak used term "secret code" instead of proprietary firmwareSep 24 11:41
__martin__http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/23/nyregion/volkswagens-diesel-fraud-makes-critic-of-secret-code-a-prophet.html?_r=1Sep 24 11:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/nulmi ]Sep 24 11:41
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__martin__they even mention SFLC thereSep 24 11:43
__martin__*well done*Sep 24 11:43
__martin__(=Sep 24 11:43
cubexyzpaid walled I assume?Sep 24 11:46
cubexyzok, happily not in this caseSep 24 11:47
cubexyzyes the volkswagen cheat was severeSep 24 11:48
cubexyzbut it also shows how crap the DMCA isSep 24 11:50
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__martin__agreedSep 24 13:04
MinceRhttp://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-24/bmw-drops-on-report-that-x3-diesel-s-emission-exceeded-eu-limitSep 24 14:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bloomberg.com | BMW Drops on Report That X3 Diesel's Emission Exceeded EU Limit - Bloomberg Business [ http://ur1.ca/numi8 ]Sep 24 14:38
MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/ArmX82GSep 24 14:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-imgur.com | When you have to write an essay but didn't read the book - ImgurSep 24 14:56
MinceRhttp://imgur.com/1ELL0loSep 24 14:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-imgur.com | Vladolf Putler - ImgurSep 24 14:57
msb_When you want to attack the person you're obsessed with and paranoid about, but can't find anything that he's doing wrong, and he's actually doing some good things, you post a fake picture of his face combined with Hitler, and you post CIA-inspired propaganda articles about him.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird Sep 24 15:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Operation Mockingbird - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/numot ]Sep 24 15:12
MinceRwhen you want to put ever more people (but strangely not yourself) under the boot of the fascist dictator you worship, you just link to his government propaganda.   http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RTSep 24 15:14
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msb_Interesting, since I didn't mention RT.Sep 24 15:41
msb_Also interesting that "rationalwiki" has 970 articles in Russian, 36 in French, and no more than 9 in any other non-English language.Sep 24 15:43
msb_http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RationalWiki:AboutSep 24 15:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rationalwiki.org | RationalWiki - RationalWiki [ http://ur1.ca/numvs ]Sep 24 15:43
MinceRyeah, only 8 links to rt.com this monthSep 24 15:45
msb_Other than vague but intense smears calling RT a Russian propaganda station, what details does RW cite to prove that RT is not truthful?  Sep 24 15:46
msb_"RT is deliberately and incessantly engaging in US/NATO/EU-bashing"Sep 24 15:47
MinceR232431 < msb__> I don't support the dictatorial things Putin is doing.Sep 24 15:49
MinceR>can't find anything that he's doing wrong, and he's actually doing some Sep 24 15:49
MinceR               good things,Sep 24 15:49
MinceRyou could at least try to keep your story straightSep 24 15:50
msb_The US/NATO/EU has destr0yed Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, created a Nazi coup in Ukraine, and has murdered more than 2,000,000 people. since 911.  "Rationalwiki" calls RT's reporting of these acts "deliberately and incessantly engaging in US/NATO/EU-bashing".Sep 24 15:51
MinceRagain, pretending that opinions and russian government propaganda are factsSep 24 15:52
MinceRall this because you're offended someone dared mock your favorite dictatorSep 24 15:52
msb_MinceR has never been able to come up with anything untrue that RT has reported on.  Instead, he relies completely on personal attacks and CIA-biased websites.Sep 24 15:54
MinceRmore liesSep 24 15:54
msb_"the fascist dictator you worship"  "your favorite dictator"Sep 24 15:55
MinceRcult of personalitySep 24 15:55
MinceRjust like in the ussrSep 24 15:55
MinceRand of course like in hungarySep 24 15:56
MinceRhttp://www.economist.com/news/europe/21646756-europe-belatedly-waking-up-russias-information-warfare-aux-armes-journalistesSep 24 15:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.economist.com | Aux armes, journalistes! | The Economist [ http://ur1.ca/npitk ]Sep 24 15:57
MinceRhttp://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/09/russia-putin-revolutionizing-information-warfare/379880/Sep 24 15:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theatlantic.com | Russia and the Menace of Unreality - The Atlantic [ http://ur1.ca/numz9 ]Sep 24 15:59
msb_The other major attack that "Rationalwiki" makes against RT is that it has reported on what "Rationalwiki" calls "conspiracy theories" about 9/11.  But 9/11 has been irrefutably proved to have been perpetrated by the US government.   http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911  Sep 24 16:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For EveryoneSep 24 16:00
msb_So it's "Rationalwiki" that's lying, not RT.Sep 24 16:01
MinceRirrefutably in the minds of zealotsSep 24 16:01
MinceRoh, i found an article on the organization msb_ is a member of: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/08/the-kremlins-troll-army/375932/Sep 24 16:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theatlantic.com | The Kremlin's Troll Army - The Atlantic [ http://ur1.ca/numzt ]Sep 24 16:02
MinceR“The Communists, who do not believe in human nature but only in the human condition, believe that propaganda is all-powerful, legitimate (whenever they employ it), and instrumental in creating a new type of man.”Sep 24 16:07
msb_The first sentence in the Economist articles says that RT "portray[ed] the protesters who had recently overthrown Ukraine’s regime as a neo-Nazi rabble".  The "protesters" were dominated by the Nazi groups Svoboda and Right-Sector, who also fired into the crowd from rooftops.  The subsequent coup government has murdered tens of thousands of people in eastern areas of Ukraine who wanted autonomy from the Nazi regime.Sep 24 16:08
MinceRapparently that "new type of man" is of the dead typeSep 24 16:08
MinceRno, they weren't dominated by those groupsSep 24 16:08
MinceRanother unsourced lieSep 24 16:08
MinceRhttp://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-26986657Sep 24 16:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.com | Russia TV stations air 'impostor' protester in two guises - BBC News [ http://ur1.ca/nun1z ]Sep 24 16:10
MinceRhttp://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/15/there-s-no-evidence-the-ukrainian-army-crucified-a-child-in-slovyansk.htmlSep 24 16:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thedailybeast.com | There’s No Evidence the Ukrainian Army Crucified a Child in Slovyansk - The Daily Beast [ http://ur1.ca/nun2f ]Sep 24 16:11
msb_http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine/5371554Sep 24 16:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | The U.S. has Installed a Neo-Nazi Government in Ukraine | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization [ http://ur1.ca/ji3em ]Sep 24 16:12
MinceRhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/chemtrails-the-secret-war/5421137Sep 24 16:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | Chemtrails: The Secret War | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization [ http://ur1.ca/nun2y ]Sep 24 16:14
msb_The Atlantic article _begins_ by quoting the commander of NATO!  'Russia, he said, is waging “the most amazing information warfare blitzkrieg we have ever seen in the history of information warfare.”'Sep 24 16:14
MinceR"And right-wing nationalist parties, which are often allied ideologically and financially with the Kremlin, are rising. In Hungary, Jobbik is now the second-largest political party. In France, Marine Le Pen’s National Front recently won 25 percent of the vote in elections for the European parliament."Sep 24 16:15
MinceRhttp://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/article/yes-russia-matters-putin%E2%80%99s-guerrilla-strategySep 24 16:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldaffairsjournal.org | Yes, Russia Matters: Putin’s Guerrilla Strategy | World Affairs Journal [ http://ur1.ca/nun3p ]Sep 24 16:17
MinceR"Validating the network’s ideological approach is the excuse that, in the words of managing director Alexey Nikolov, “there is no such thing as objective reporting.”"Sep 24 16:17
MinceRhttps://www.rt.com/about-us/management/Sep 24 16:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | Management — RTSep 24 16:17
MinceR"This argument justifies RT’s willingness to broadcast any fringe material, however ridiculous it may be."Sep 24 16:18
msb_Another personal attack from MinceR:  "i found an article on the organization msb_ is a member of ... the-kremlins-troll-army".  Of course MinceR provides no evidence that I am a member of such an organization, because I'm not.  He just makes stuff up out of his paranoid imagination.Sep 24 16:18
MinceRyou provide more than enough evidence of thatSep 24 16:18
msb_Mincer's World Affairs article gives vague sinister interpretations of Russia's economic investments, and says "much more is thought to flow".  In other words it's quoting fantasy as if there were some proof for it.Sep 24 16:24
MinceRyeah, if it's inconvenient to russia, it must be fantasySep 24 16:25
MinceRapparently if people suspect there's more under the surface, that means everything they reported on is fantasySep 24 16:26
msb_MinceR mentions an article in globalresearch.ca about chemtrails, as if that topic proves that GR is giving false information.  But MinceR is lying.  Chemtrails (geoengineering) has been very well proven:   http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/   Sep 24 16:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geoengineeringwatch.org | Geoengineering Watch | Exposing the climate engineering/geoengineering cover-upSep 24 16:30
MinceRyes, conspiracy theorists believe their theories are very well provenSep 24 16:30
MinceRfilm at 11.Sep 24 16:30
msb_There's an enormous amount of factual evidence on that website.  MinceR smears it without citing anything on it that's untrue.Sep 24 16:31
MinceRmsb_ whines about personal attacks while highlighting me in every line he posts. interesting.Sep 24 16:32
MinceRhttp://prpl.works/2015/09/21/yes-the-fcc-might-ban-your-operating-system/Sep 24 16:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-prpl.works | Yes, the FCC might ban your operating system | prpl.works [ http://ur1.ca/nun6j ]Sep 24 16:32
XRevan86msb_, MinceR: I wonder why're not best friends already.Sep 24 16:32
XRevan86* why are you notSep 24 16:33
MinceRXRevan86: because he gets offended every time someone says something that's bad for russia or putler.Sep 24 16:33
XRevan86MinceR: I see your position as the exact opposite.Sep 24 16:34
msb_"Conspiracy theory/theorist" is a term invented by the US "intelligence" establishment and propagated by Operation Mockingbird (see above) to smear and discredit the numerous researchers that investigated the JFK assassination, and the huge amount of evidence they accumulated.  Subsequently, the term has been used to smear and discredit the researchers who have investigated other secret murderous US government  operations, like 9/11 andSep 24 16:40
msb_chemtrails.  Sep 24 16:40
MinceRooh, a metaconspiracy theorySep 24 16:41
MinceRwe have to go deeperSep 24 16:41
msb_The researchers respond with proven _facts_, but the US government keeps on smearing them as "conspiracy theorists".  Sep 24 16:42
cubexyzevidently the FCC isn't banning wi-fi moddingSep 24 16:42
MinceRhttp://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/new-ttip-scandal-car-industry-buried-report-revealing-us-car-safety-flaws-10514716.htmlSep 24 16:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.independent.co.uk | Car industry 'buried report revealing US car safety flaws over fears for TTIP deal' | Business News | News | The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/nun98 ]Sep 24 16:42
MinceRcubexyz: yet.Sep 24 16:43
cubexyzthey _might_ be requiring locked down radios, and only radiosSep 24 16:43
MinceRor they aren't enforcing itSep 24 16:43
MinceRthose "proven" "facts" often contradict each otherSep 24 16:43
msb_What can the US government do but lie about its actions?  If the perpetrators admitted what they've done they'd be torn limb from limb.Sep 24 16:43
cubexyz"The software must prevent the user from operating the transmitter with operating frequencies, output power, modulation types or other radio frequency parameters outside those that were approved for the device."Sep 24 16:44
cubexyzthat's allSep 24 16:44
MinceRif they're anything like the russian government, it doesn't matterSep 24 16:44
MinceRthe worshippers of the russian government believe whatever the russian government does is the greatest good per definitionSep 24 16:44
MinceRas fundies believe all morality comes from their god, russowankers believe all morality comes from putinSep 24 16:45
cubexyzMinceR, FCC doesn't effect usSep 24 16:45
cubexyzwe are outside of the USSep 24 16:45
MinceRit mightSep 24 16:45
MinceRsince the US is a huge marketSep 24 16:45
MinceRalso, there are constant efforts ongoing to force the worst of usian regulation on the rest of the worldSep 24 16:46
MinceR(typically by the same megacorporations that bought those regulations in the first place)Sep 24 16:46
cubexyzthe idea that you can't flash your router just seems wrongSep 24 16:47
msb_cubexyz: How can the prevention be done if open-source radio drivers are used?  Wouldn't binary blob drivers be required?  Sep 24 16:48
MinceRit doesn't seem wrong to those who dream theirself your masterSep 24 16:48
MinceRs/lf/lves/Sep 24 16:48
MinceRit seems they could also require locked-down binary blob OS-esSep 24 16:48
cubexyzmsb_, there are some wired routers that don't need blobsSep 24 16:50
cubexyze.g. WRT54GLSep 24 16:51
cubexyzyou can disable wirelessSep 24 16:51
msb_cubexyz: It seems unlikely that a wifi transmitter could be reprogrammed to put out much more power than the one watt that the law allows, because that would require more expensive components.  Now if some routers or NICs were manufactured that _did_ have high-power capability, the FCC would have a good case for banning them.Sep 24 16:51
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cubexyzyou can crank up the outputSep 24 16:53
msb_cubexyz: Do you mean there are some routers that don't need drivers?Sep 24 16:53
cubexyzhow much I'm not sureSep 24 16:54
cubexyzmsb_, I mean with openwrt and WRT54GL you can roll your own firmwareSep 24 16:54
cubexyzso it's a blob, but one that you create yourselfSep 24 16:54
cubexyzor just have everything wiredSep 24 16:55
cubexyze.g. a boost would be something like 20mw to 1 wattSep 24 16:56
msb_The article just mentions 1 watt.  Is output limited to 20mw in some circumstances?Sep 24 16:57
cubexyzyes, the firmware can set thatSep 24 16:57
msb_Does the law set a limit lower than 1watt under some circumstances?Sep 24 16:58
MinceRthe hardware can almost certainly be limited regardless of the firmware or the driver, but it's likely more expensive than hacking it up in softwareSep 24 16:58
MinceRso everyone only has access to broken crap that has to be babysit by blobsSep 24 16:59
cubexyz"Buffalo HP units should not exceed 30 mw due to their built in amp"Sep 24 17:00
cubexyzLinksys ships out their units with TX power set to 28 mw by defaultSep 24 17:00
msb_Why?  Just to be polite, or is it required by law?Sep 24 17:01
MinceRalso, it's conceivable that the amplifier would have a shorter lifespan if used near its physical maximum powerSep 24 17:01
MinceRso there might be a good reason to limit it otherwiseSep 24 17:02
cubexyzyou can change it of courseSep 24 17:02
MinceRthey may be incapable of calibrating it to the exact mW, so they might want a margin of errorSep 24 17:02
cubexyzsome people set it to 84 mwSep 24 17:03
cubexyzvery high values could overheat the routerSep 24 17:04
MinceR:)Sep 24 17:04
msb_If the final amp is well designed, running it at max rated power won't shorten its life.Sep 24 17:04
MinceR"well-designed" is a dying breed, thoughSep 24 17:05
MinceRbut yeah, not being well-designed is not a good excuseSep 24 17:05
cubexyzif the signal is weak, a slower speed of transmission is setSep 24 17:05
cubexyzevidently higher TX power levels do help with download speedsSep 24 17:06
cubexyzuploads which are mostly ACKs, remain the same (usually)Sep 24 17:06
cubexyzsometimes you're uploading then it would matter moreSep 24 17:07
cubexyztomato firmware goes up to 250 mwSep 24 17:08
msb_cubexyz: Does the US law set a limit lower than 1watt under some circumstances?Sep 24 17:08
cubexyzmsb_, ultimately the hardware would be limited to conform to FCC rules I would thinkSep 24 17:09
cubexyzif you get blobbed, maybe not even 250 mwSep 24 17:09
msb_What do you mean " if you get blobbed"  ?Sep 24 17:10
cubexyznewer router == more restrictive blobSep 24 17:10
cubexyzolder router == less restrictionsSep 24 17:10
msb_IF the US law specifies a max output power of 1 watt, then any good router will go that high and no more (maybe 20% more to allow for component tolerances, but that won't make any difference).Sep 24 17:13
msb_If some routers are limited to less than the legal max, then the buyer must beware.Sep 24 17:13
msb_and look at the specs.Sep 24 17:13
MinceRand then they'll take your computer away for that 20% moreSep 24 17:14
msb_Radio transmitters are an extremely mature technology.Sep 24 17:15
MinceRobsession with "order" leads to nothing goodSep 24 17:15
cubexyzI think the data sheet shows that 250 mw is the maxSep 24 17:15
cubexyzof course it's possible some model could go higherSep 24 17:15
msb_Of course anyone can buy or build a booster amp that would put out 10, 100, or 1000 watts.  But unless they used it with a highly directional antenna they'd be risking big trouble.Sep 24 17:17
msb_Probably some Chinese company already makes them.  8^)Sep 24 17:18
cubexyzthe linksys firmware will let you go up to 250 mwSep 24 17:19
cubexyzbut it _could_ overheatSep 24 17:19
cubexyzlaptops seem to overheat via normal useSep 24 17:24
cubexyzI can cite various examplesSep 24 17:24
cubexyzof course if the cpu fan fails then it's game over unless you're using a pretty old cpuSep 24 17:25
cubexyzI do have a passively cooled p2 400 mhz so that one would probably be fineSep 24 17:26
msb_http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/wireless/access_point/1200/vxworks/configuration/guide/ap120scg/bkscgaxa.html#wp1013513Sep 24 17:26
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msb_Properly designed electronics will not overheat in normal use.  This is not "rocket science".  If it does, then it ain't.Sep 24 17:30
msb_I think some gamers overcook their systems and put in a water-cooling system.  What could possibly go wront?Sep 24 17:33
msb_wrongSep 24 17:33
MinceRsome companies sell electronics that weren't properly designedSep 24 17:40
MinceRe.g. crAppleSep 24 17:40
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cubexyzmsb_, a fan could failSep 24 18:09
cubexyzwhich can cook the motherboard, unless there's safeguardsSep 24 18:09
cubexyzPDP-10s had special temperature sensors and gaugesSep 24 18:10
cubexyzpanasonic toughbook is an example of a good design:Sep 24 18:10
cubexyzif the system got too hot it would throttle the cpu and if it still was too hot it would automatically shutdownSep 24 18:11
cubexyzintel slot 1 p3's had very good fansSep 24 18:12
cubexyzsome of mine are over 15 years oldSep 24 18:13
msb_My old cpu has sensors for each core, and for the whole chip.  The ASUS mobo has a sensor, and there's one for the acpitz, too.  God help me if my acpitz overheats.Sep 24 18:13
msb_That can be very painful.Sep 24 18:14
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msb_In Israel you're limited to lower wifi power, but you can kill Palestinians if they look at you crosseyed (and you're Jewish).Sep 24 18:18
msb_One theory is that some people who really hate Jews are trying to get the whole country nuked.Sep 24 18:20
msb_717 moslems killed and 800 injured in a human stampede in Mecca.  Maybe robotizing memes aren't a good idea.Sep 24 18:24
cubexyzok, what is acpitz?Sep 24 18:24
msb_A very private body part?Sep 24 18:25
msb_This guy wants to remove his acpitz.  The fool!  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2066166.htmlSep 24 18:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ubuntuforums.org | [ubuntu] xsensors -- how to remove acpitz [Archive] - Ubuntu Forums [ http://ur1.ca/nuny9 ]Sep 24 18:27
msb_"acpitz* at acpi? DESCRIPTION The acpitz driver supports so-called ACPI ``Thermal Zones''. ... Hope this helps"Sep 24 18:29
cubexyz"acpitz is under the CPU so it records the CPU socket base temperature"Sep 24 18:29
cubexyz"put thermal paste on the bottom of the cpu if this temperature gets too high"Sep 24 18:30
msb_"I have spent considerable hours searching forums and googling. I have yet to find out what "lm-sensors acpitz-virtual-0 Adapter: Virtual device."Sep 24 18:30
cubexyzmy older motherboards don't have thatSep 24 18:31
cubexyzbut the P3 doesn't need thermal paste Sep 24 18:31
msb_thermal paste to conduct the heat into the plastic socket?Sep 24 18:31
cubexyzsorry, it actually said: "put thermal paste at the bottom of the CPU socket base..."Sep 24 18:32
msb_It's for the ACPI -- the Association of Christian Philosophers of India.Sep 24 18:33
msb_They must be a lonely bunch.Sep 24 18:33
cubexyzdoesn't sound right I agreeSep 24 18:33
msb_Agghh!  It's even worse:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Configuration_and_Power_InterfaceSep 24 18:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Advanced Configuration and Power Interface - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nuo0f ]Sep 24 18:34
msb_Isn't that the thing you often have to shut off for Linux to even boot?Sep 24 18:35
cubexyzok... acpitz indicates it's an ACPI thermal deviceSep 24 18:35
cubexyznot sure if it's some sort of acronymSep 24 18:36
cubexyzwhat is the TZ part I wonder?Sep 24 18:36
cubexyzthermal z?Sep 24 18:36
cubexyzah! I have itSep 24 18:37
msb_zonesSep 24 18:37
cubexyzACPI Thermal ZonesSep 24 18:37
msb_or zombiesSep 24 18:38
cubexyzyeah and it's got Microsoft's Claw in itSep 24 18:40
cubexyzfiguresSep 24 18:40
cubexyzIntel, Microsoft and Toshiba developed the original standardSep 24 18:40
cubexyz"in Oct 2013 all the original developers of the ACPI standard agreed to transfer all assets to the UEFI Forum in which all future development will take place"Sep 24 18:41
cubexyzVista requires a BIOS with ACPI 2.0 or laterSep 24 18:42
cubexyzand somewhat ominous: "ACPI firmware on your device is the NSA's best friend"Sep 24 18:44
msb_http://linuxpoison.blogspot.com/2010/06/acpi-related-linux-kernel-parameters.htmlSep 24 18:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxpoison.blogspot.com | ACPI related Linux kernel parameters | Linux Blog [ http://ur1.ca/nuo3n ]Sep 24 18:49
msb_Then ACPI and systemd must be the NSA's best friend and lover.Sep 24 18:50
cubexyzI think my server has the precursor to ACPI: APMSep 24 18:51
cubexyzor Advanced Power ManagementSep 24 18:51
msb_I guess some NSA malware can read the ACPI params, learn exactly what hardware you have, and figure out how to jack it up real good.Sep 24 18:52
cubexyzhow would they read the APCI parameters?Sep 24 18:52
cubexyzACPISep 24 18:52
msb_Via systemd, of course.Sep 24 18:53
cubexyzmy kernel on the server has no APM support so I guess it does nothingSep 24 18:54
cubexyzI'll have to check the BIOS settings on that some daySep 24 18:54
cubexyzopenbsd has apm as wellSep 24 18:56
msb_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsCyC1dZiN8Sep 24 18:57
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cubexyzI'm a fan of the original Jethro Tull so pffffft :)Sep 24 19:00
cubexyzan early proponent of the scientific approach to agricultureSep 24 19:01
cubexyzalso the inventor of the turnip drill :)Sep 24 19:02
msb_If you want precise holes in your turnips it's the only way to go.Sep 24 19:03
msb_I love the band.  There's a song I remember about the creatures in the woods with glowing eyes.  I think it was from Jethro Tull but I've never been able to find it.Sep 24 19:04
cubexyzRocks on the Road?Sep 24 19:05
cubexyz"there's a black cat down on the quayside"Sep 24 19:06
cubexyz"ship's lights, green eyes glowing in the dark"Sep 24 19:06
cubexyzmaybe notSep 24 19:07
cubexyzno woodsSep 24 19:07
msb_What I remember is something like "don't go out in the woods at night"Sep 24 19:10
msb_for which google finds nothingSep 24 19:10
MinceRhttps://i.chzbgr.com/full/8568143360/h0E788640/Sep 24 19:10
cubexyzhahahaSep 24 19:11
msb_There's gotta be one where a VW blows up the Earth..Sep 24 19:14
cubexyzit's been done before tooSep 24 19:16
cubexyzby Caterpillar, Detroit Diesel and VolvoSep 24 19:17
cubexyzusing a 'defeat device'Sep 24 19:17
cubexyzthe EPA is strict on nitrogen oxide emissionsSep 24 19:18
msb_How different things would be if the oil companies hadn't killed off the _external_ combustion engine.  No NOx at all.Sep 24 19:20
cubexyzhttp://www3.epa.gov/airtrends/aqtrnd95/no2.htmlSep 24 19:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www3.epa.gov | Environmental Protection Agency -- Nitrogen Dioxide (NO2) [ http://ur1.ca/nuoa3 ]Sep 24 19:20
cubexyzoopsSep 24 19:20
MinceRthe steam machine?Sep 24 19:20
cubexyzthat's not the same thingSep 24 19:20
MinceRor perhaps by "external combustion" you mean the Fisker Karma? :>Sep 24 19:22
cubexyzok, N2O is a green house gasSep 24 19:22
cubexyzso very bad to pump more of it into the atmosphereSep 24 19:22
cubexyzway worse than carbon dioxide evidentlySep 24 19:23
msb_It's the result of the rapid internal combustion burning the nitrogen from the air.Sep 24 19:23
cubexyzhttp://www3.epa.gov/climatechange/ghgemissions/gases/n2o.htmlSep 24 19:24
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msb_Steam cars didn't need a ratio-shifting gearbox, developing full torque from a standstill.Sep 24 19:25
msb_Could burn anything you could stick under the boiler.Sep 24 19:25
msb_Old trash, pot stems, annoying hungarians...Sep 24 19:26
MinceRhttp://boingboing.net/2015/09/24/vwscandal.htmlSep 24 19:26
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MinceRrussian fascists burn just as wellSep 24 19:26
cubexyzmsb_, do you think steam cars could make a comeback?Sep 24 19:27
msb_ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doble_steam_carSep 24 19:28
cubexyzI blame big oil (again)Sep 24 19:29
MinceRperhaps it would be better to leave the steam at the power plant and use electric cars insteadSep 24 19:29
MinceRi didn't know they made cars with steam enginesSep 24 19:31
cubexyzthey did... a long time agoSep 24 19:31
MinceRalso, allegedly turbine cars could run on almost anything too, not sure about their emissions thoughSep 24 19:31
cubexyzICE and Steam cars were developed around the same time but obviously ICE wonSep 24 19:32
msb_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doble_steam_car#Typical_performanceSep 24 19:36
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MinceRamazingSep 24 19:37
MinceRwhy did they die out?Sep 24 19:37
msb_I remember reading that banks withdrew funding from the Doble company and killed it.  Sep 24 19:39
msb_Like this:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracySep 24 19:41
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msb_The Doble article even mentions a successful steam-powered airplane.Sep 24 19:46
cubexyztoo heavy, more expensive than the model TSep 24 19:48
msb_Then there was the nuclear-powered ramjet the size and weight of a steam locomotive, that could stay in the air indefinitely and drop atomic bombs anywhere on earth.  This was described in the great book _The Curve of Binding Energy_.  Fortunately it was never built.Sep 24 19:48
MinceRhow does a nuclear-powered ramjet work?Sep 24 19:48
MinceRi thought ramjets used the air they compressed for combustionSep 24 19:49
MinceRbut the use of nuclear power doesn't involve combustionSep 24 19:49
msb_This would have just used the air for reaction mass.Sep 24 19:49
MinceR(exclusing scramjets, but those only work in space, afaik)Sep 24 19:49
MinceRs/sin/din/Sep 24 19:49
MinceRohSep 24 19:49
MinceRso they collect and compress air, ionize it and accelerate it?Sep 24 19:50
msb_collect, compress, heat in the reactor, and blow out the back end.Sep 24 19:51
MinceRicSep 24 19:51
msb_A scramjet (supersonic combusting ramjet) is a variant of a ramjet airbreathing jet engine in which combustion takes place in supersonic airflow.Sep 24 19:51
msb_So also an airbreather.Sep 24 19:52
MinceRoh, i confused that with the scoop ramjetSep 24 19:52
msb_The Bussard ramjet, that would collect interstellar hydrogen with a magnetic scoop, fuse it, and blow that out the back.Sep 24 19:54
msb_electromagnetic scoopSep 24 19:54
MinceRicSep 24 19:55
msb_Using superconductors, wouldn't require continuous power.Sep 24 19:55
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_car#DeclineSep 24 19:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Steam car - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nuohi ]Sep 24 19:55
MinceRusing superconductors how?Sep 24 19:56
MinceRto establish the EM scoop?Sep 24 19:56
msb_to create the magnetic field for the scoopSep 24 19:56
MinceRicSep 24 19:56
msb_I don't know if the EM scoop would gather enough hydrogen for the thing to work.  But this would work:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_%28nuclear_propulsion%29Sep 24 20:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Project Orion (nuclear propulsion) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nuokp ]Sep 24 20:09
msb_As proved here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRp3S8OOeZcSep 24 20:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Project Orion: "To Mars by A-Bomb" RARE Footage - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nuokt ]Sep 24 20:10
msb_This was also covered in  _The Curve of Binding Energy_.Sep 24 20:11
msb_youtube really sucks these days.  You have to download that video to watch it.  Otherwise you get the sound, but only about one in thirty frames.Sep 24 20:12
msb_Maybe less.Sep 24 20:13
msb_A-bombs for travel within the solar system, H-bombs for interstellar.Sep 24 20:14
msb_The ship really would be the size and shape of the Chrysler Building, just like in that Coneheads episode.Sep 24 20:16
msb_Two whole TV shows about it:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieYsxEe8pkQSep 24 20:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Project Orion - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nuoqx ]Sep 24 20:40
msb_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYoLcJuBtOwSep 24 20:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | [HD] To Mars By A Bomb - The Secret History of Project Orion (Nuclear Propulsion) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nuor0 ]Sep 24 20:40
msb_The onboard computer would have used 12AX7's, you betcha!Sep 24 20:41
msb_We'd have people going to the stars by now!Sep 24 20:41
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MinceRhttps://www.techdirt.com/blog/netneutrality/articles/20150922/12251832331/jeb-bush-proudly-promises-to-axe-net-neutrality-if-elected.shtmlSep 24 23:43
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msb_http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/09/france-confirms-that-google-must-remove-search-results-globally-or-face-big-fines/Sep 24 23:56
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MinceRis this "right to be forgotten" or "piracy"?Sep 24 23:56
msb_rtbfSep 24 23:56
msb_Are there any other real search engines, or just ones that hide your identity while they call google?Sep 24 23:58
MinceRixquick uses other search engines, ddg uses bìng (dressed up as yahoo)Sep 24 23:59
MinceRthey all suckSep 25 00:00
MinceRand google has started sucking harder recentlySep 25 00:00
msb_how?Sep 25 00:00
MinceRit's failing to find stuff i know existsSep 25 00:00
MinceRand usually i find it via ixquick or ddgSep 25 00:00
MinceRalso, they removed the + operator and they seem to be more likely to ignore the most important search termSep 25 00:01
msb_so they really are independent of googleSep 25 00:01
msb_I've seen it ignore the search term that I put firstSep 25 00:02
MinceRi'll try shuffling sometimeSep 25 00:02
msb_ixquick has an advanced search, ddg doesn't seem toSep 25 00:09
MinceRthe only thing i needed advanced search (as opposed to ordinary operators and quoting) was specifying the language of the page to seekSep 25 00:10
MinceR+forSep 25 00:11
MinceRi rarely do that, thoughSep 25 00:11
msb_How can France fine google if google just gets out of France (or the EU)?Sep 25 00:11
MinceRi don't knowSep 25 00:11
msb_what does +for do?Sep 25 00:12
MinceRi meant to say that the previous sentence should have the word "for" somewhereSep 25 00:12
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msb_Here's that horrible nuclear ramjet:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_PlutoSep 25 00:29
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MinceRhttps://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11218826_918747514866401_3690238546595148117_n.png?oh=0a0c015a1193fd755500b6370c209b21&oe=566A7EABSep 25 00:30
MinceR:)Sep 25 00:30
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msb_Blew the barely visible dust out of my cpu heatsink and all the sensors got 4degC cooler.Sep 25 01:04
msb_guess I have to do it once a weekSep 25 01:04
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MinceRthe hypePhone has a challenger >> http://www.androidauthority.com/nophone-zero-644394/Sep 25 02:17
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MinceRhttps://i.chzbgr.com/full/8567675648/hCF036023/Sep 25 02:53
msb_Bernie Sanders, Syriza, Jeremy Corbyn, Pope Francis -- all pro-humanity.  Is something going on here?  Is this the Great Turning?Sep 25 03:07
msb_Even Putin -- forming Eurasian Coalition, helping the people of Crimea and Syria.Sep 25 03:08
MinceRthat's ludicrousSep 25 03:11
MinceRwhat's going on here is humanity's systematic self-exterminationSep 25 03:11
MinceRalso, the notion of that censorship-supporting fascist defender of pedophiles and that dangerously psychotic fascist dictator being "pro-humanity" is especially ludicrousSep 25 03:16
MinceRboth of them christian fundamentalists, of courseSep 25 03:17
msb_Despite that ridiculously exaggerated smear, Putin is doing the good things I mentioned.Sep 25 03:18
MinceRgo, fight his war on humanity some moreSep 25 03:19
MinceRyou'll be undone by your own heroesSep 25 03:19
MinceRit's only fitting, after all that's probably the most painful possible waySep 25 03:19
msb_People in other countries than Greece are also talking about not repaying, or repaying only slowly, the money the ultra-wealthy banks claim they are owed.Sep 25 03:20
msb_Two more ridiculous personal attacks.Sep 25 03:23
msb_"what's going on here is humanity's systematic self-extermination" -- pure paranoid fantasy, without a single fact given to support it.Sep 25 03:26
MinceRi wonder if you'll be able to dismiss your own starving to death in a nuclear winter so easily, with the power of faith and cognitive dissonanceSep 25 03:27
msb_Focussing on the most negative possible future and ignoring good things happening is a sure recipe for severe delusional depression.Sep 25 03:28
MinceRwhat is ignoring all the facts and expecting the worst dictators to bring you to a utopia a sure recipe for?Sep 25 03:30
MinceRwill reality itself go away if you disbelieve it hard enough?Sep 25 03:30
msb_Are Bernie Sanders, Syriza, Jeremy Corbyn and Pope Francis "the worst dictators" ?Sep 25 03:31
MinceRat least one of those people is different from the othersSep 25 03:33
msb_And I said nothing about utopia, just improvement.Sep 25 03:33
MinceRapparently oppression and extermination are "improvements"Sep 25 03:33
MinceRwhat do you expect to happen when human overpopulation hits the limit of what this planet can support, by the way?Sep 25 03:34
msb_Francis said that poor people need food, housing, medical care and education.  That's the opposite of "oppression and extermination",Sep 25 03:35
MinceRfrancis also shut down an art exhibition that offended the cult of pedophiles he's a leader ofSep 25 03:35
MinceRhe's also promoting marxism even though it has failed in a quite spectacular waySep 25 03:35
msb_Marxism has succeeded in many nations.Sep 25 03:36
MinceRbut apparently if fascists say warm touchy-feely things every once in a while, they immediately get your total supportSep 25 03:36
MinceRwhich ones?Sep 25 03:36
MinceRthe one where people have to eat tree bark to survive?Sep 25 03:36
MinceRor the one where people can't even buy toilet paper or fuel?Sep 25 03:36
msb_Cuba, Nicaragua, Libya, Vietnam.Sep 25 03:36
MinceRor the empire that had to pull back from its vassal states because its economy collapsed?Sep 25 03:37
MinceRas usual, you have no idea what you're talking aboutSep 25 03:37
msb_Pointless to converse MinceR.  He is output-only.Sep 25 03:38
msb_Pointless to converse with MinceR.  He is output-only.Sep 25 03:38
MinceRapparently msb_'s systems are so overloaded by cognitive dissonance he can't even use the english language.Sep 25 03:38
MinceRspeaking of the international pedophile party, what's up with the "opium of the people"?Sep 25 03:39
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MinceRhttp://existentialcomics.com/comic/49Sep 25 04:04
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msb_The claim that "what's going on here is humanity's systematic self-extermination" is totally false.  In fact, almost everyone is acting to survive successfully and live happily.  The leaders I mentioned are helping them to do that by providing good guidance.Sep 25 04:17
MinceRthat's perfectly delusional and also inconsistent with some of your other alleged beliefs.Sep 25 04:18
msb_They aren't perfect, but they're doing much more good than harm.Sep 25 04:19
MinceRif you ignore all the harm they're doing, which of course you areSep 25 04:19
msb_they're doing much more good than harm.Sep 25 04:20
MinceRinteresting how the charm of one marxist who's fond of censorship managed your views on christianitySep 25 04:21
MinceRs/ged/& to change/Sep 25 04:21
msb_My views on xtianity have not changed, namely that it pushes the Emotional Plague.  Although Jesus did say some good things.  But what I cited Francis as talking about beneficially are moral and political issues, not religious ones.Sep 25 04:24
MinceRand the international pedophile party pushes christianitySep 25 04:24
MinceRyes, you cherry-pick the least consequential aspects of a person (preferably them saying things they don't even mean) and then judge them entirely on that basisSep 25 04:25
msb_Francis has been saying those things for years, despite anti-human people attacking him for it.  Apparently he does believe what he says.Sep 25 04:26
MinceRor he believes in repeating of phrases in public relationsSep 25 04:27
msb_It's not cherry picking.  It's what he mostly talks about.Sep 25 04:27
MinceRjust like bernays!Sep 25 04:27
MinceRif only people only talked, but never acted.Sep 25 04:27
msb_By repeatedly making good recommendations, Francis _is_ acting.Sep 25 04:29
MinceRso, what has he done about the pedophile problem in the organization he's supposed to be leading, other than a couple of pr stunts?Sep 25 04:30
msb_I don't know.  But if people are well housed, fed, clothed and educated, they are less likely to be seduced by pedophiles.Sep 25 04:32
MinceRi doubt that will protect them from the pedophile priests preying on them in their own communities.Sep 25 04:33
msb_They'll be less likely even to go to church.  More likely to get a Raspberry Pi with Linux, Python and Ruby.Sep 25 04:34
DaemonFCI'm moving and breaking my lease.Sep 25 04:34
msb_And when they get on the Net, they'll learn about the pedophiles.Sep 25 04:34
DaemonFCI'm not telling 'em where I'm going, and it only has a month left, so they're probably just take my deposit money. :PSep 25 04:35
msb_Good luck!Sep 25 04:36
MinceR:)Sep 25 04:36
msb_So Francis _is_ helping to defeat the pedophiles.Sep 25 04:37
MinceRyou have so far failed to prove thatSep 25 04:37
MinceRand so has heSep 25 04:38
msb_"<msb_> Francis said that poor people need food, housing, medical care and education." "<msb_> if people are well housed, fed, clothed and educated, they are less likely to be seduced by pedophiles."  " <msb_> And when they get on the Net, they'll learn about the pedophiles     Sep 25 04:41
msb_'Sep 25 04:41
msb_Case in point.  I read a lot of books when I was a kid.  After being forced against my will to go to hebrew school and be barmitzvahed, I vowed that I would never again set foot inside a synagogue.  And I haven't.Sep 25 04:47
MinceRafaik he actually said something more relevant to the issue, but afaik he hasn't actually done anythingSep 25 04:47
MinceRwhat happened to the priests that that ultimate fundamentalist dystopia known as the vatican "saved" from the legal consequences of their actions using their diplomatic ties to states that happily sacrifice rule of law for the sake of a cult?Sep 25 04:49
MinceRwhen will they be tried for their crimes?Sep 25 04:49
msb_Did Francis "save" them?Sep 25 04:50
MinceRafaik his predecessors "saved" most or all of themSep 25 04:50
MinceRand francis did some pr maneuvering, but as far as i can see, no actionsSep 25 04:50
msb_Doesn't double jeopardy apply?Sep 25 04:50
MinceRhow would it apply if they were never tried?Sep 25 04:51
MinceRthat would be null jeopardySep 25 04:51
msb_As to new ones, how can he detect them?  Give all priests a Voight-Kampff test?Sep 25 04:51
MinceReven that would be more than just posturingSep 25 04:51
MinceRalso, what will happen to the enormous amount of resources the cult has scammed/robbed people of over the centuries?Sep 25 04:52
msb_It would also be fictional.Sep 25 04:52
MinceRjust like the things they believe inSep 25 04:52
MinceRand the things they brainwash kids to believe inSep 25 04:52
MinceRby the way, that hasn't stopped eitherSep 25 04:53
MinceRalso, the hungarian nazi dictatorship still uses that cult as a pseudo-moral coverSep 25 04:54
MinceRhave the kiddie-fuckers said anything about that? of course notSep 25 04:54
MinceRthey enjoy having previously state-owned schools being handed over to themSep 25 04:54
MinceRall the better to break the brains of childrenSep 25 04:54
MinceRwhile also raping themSep 25 04:54
msb_By focussing your mind exclusively on negative things, you can guarantee that you will always be unhappy.Sep 25 04:57
MinceRwill i die happily from putler's nukes if i believe that it's a good thing?Sep 25 04:58
MinceRwill children enjoy being fucked by a priest if they believe it's all "God"'s plan and therefore inherently good?Sep 25 05:02
MinceRi see evil organizations buy respect and worship via pr stuntsSep 25 05:04
MinceRlike m$ pretending to donate stuffSep 25 05:05
MinceRand it's sad to see how easily people are trickedSep 25 05:05
MinceReven people who believe themselves to be smartSep 25 05:05
MinceRand it's especially sad to see principles like democracy, liberty, freedom of speech, constitutionality, rule of law and free market get thrown away in favor of oppression, domination and government-enforced monopoliesSep 25 05:07
MinceRand people do so happilySep 25 05:07
MinceRreason is discarded in favor of memetic infectionsSep 25 05:08
msb_These negative things that you see or imagine are all being counteracted by positive things that you ignore and don't think about.  I've suggested things that you can access to help yourself, but you refuse.  Perhaps there's some reason why you enjoy being miserable.Sep 25 05:12
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Chromebooks, Linux, and Lenovo Sep 25 08:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.russellhollander.com | Chromebooks, Linux, and Lenovo | Russell HollanderSep 25 08:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesSep 25 09:39
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Enlightenment 0.19.11 Desktop Environment forSep 25 09:44
TweetTuxMachines                 GNU/Linux Systems Fixes over 30 BugsSep 25 09:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Enlightenment 0.19.11 Desktop Environment for GNU/Linux Systems Fixes over 30 Bugs | Tux MachinesSep 25 09:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     General Electric and Canonical Working on a NewSep 25 09:44
TweetTuxMachines                 Open-Source IoT Standard http://t.co/aurMfQQQQUSep 25 09:44
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Chromebooks, Linux, and LenovoSep 25 09:44
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 15.10 Beta 2 Releases Now Available forSep 25 10:55
TweetTuxMachines                 Download, Here's What's NewSep 25 10:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu 15.10 Beta 2 Releases Now Available for Download, Here's What's New - SoftpediaSep 25 10:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     What's the Game or App That Would Convince YouSep 25 10:55
TweetTuxMachines                 to Drop Windows? http://t.co/Uf3sCnymv4Sep 25 10:55
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf Final Beta AvailableSep 25 10:58
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     What's the Game or App That Would Convince YouSep 25 10:58
TweetTuxMachines                 to Drop Windows? http://t.co/yDpdZojuqdSep 25 10:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | What's the Game or App That Would Convince You to Drop Windows? | Tux MachinesSep 25 10:58
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cubexyzis this a joke? A closed source game is going to stop people from dropping windows?Sep 25 12:37
cubexyzso you can have a closed source linux game?Sep 25 12:37
cubexyzthe article isn't worth looking atSep 25 12:37
cubexyznot having the source code has been a big pain in the buttSep 25 12:38
cubexyzok, let's talk about something a bit more interesting:Sep 25 12:41
cubexyzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_commercial_video_games_with_available_source_codeSep 25 12:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | List of commercial video games with available source code - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nutzm ]Sep 25 12:42
cubexyzok, so the content license can sometimes be proprietary, I can live with thatSep 25 12:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Second Alpha Build of Manjaro Linux Xfce 15.12Sep 25 12:45
TweetTuxMachines                 Is Now Available for DownloadSep 25 12:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Second Alpha Build of Manjaro Linux Xfce 15.12 Is Now Available for Download - SoftpediaSep 25 12:45
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Linux Setup - Jim Whitehurst,Sep 25 12:46
TweetTuxMachines                 President/CEO, Red Hat http://t.co/mDurNxnB9ESep 25 12:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mylinuxrig.com | The Linux Setup - Jim Whitehurst, President/CEO,... - My Linux RigSep 25 12:46
cubexyzso some company ports a game to linux... not a big deal at allSep 25 12:48
cubexyza big deal --> company releases source code for gameSep 25 12:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Exploring the magic of Mageia 5Sep 25 12:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD.Sep 25 12:53
*TweetTuxMachines @GanoeCyrus favourited 'Exploring the magic of Mageia 5 http://t.co/fEmtrEasc9'Sep 25 12:53
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     What you should not expect when switching toSep 25 13:26
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux  http://t.co/j62VzBcm9YSep 25 13:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxblog.darkduck.com | What you should not expect when switching to Linux - Linux notes from DarkDuckSep 25 13:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Embedded Linux: Leftovers | Tux MachinesSep 25 13:26
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TweetTuxMachines                 Linux http://t.co/nupNNJEzS8Sep 25 13:27
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     OSS Leftovers http://t.co/oUi9Pg7XzISep 25 13:27
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     PulseAudio 7.0 Improves Support for CreativeSep 25 14:46
TweetTuxMachines                 SoundBlaster Omni Surround 5.1Sep 25 14:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PulseAudio 7.0 Improves Support for Creative SoundBlaster Omni Surround 5.1 | Tux MachinesSep 25 14:46
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Adventure RPG 'Last Word' Now Available OnSep 25 14:46
TweetTuxMachines                 Steam For Linux http://t.co/T8RV5oah0bSep 25 14:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Adventure RPG 'Last Word' Now Available On Steam For Linux | GamingOnLinuxSep 25 14:46
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     New Red Hat CFO Calderoni predicts bigSep 25 14:46
TweetTuxMachines                 milemarker for open-source giantSep 25 14:46
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/VOMbhXwNA3 (www.bizjournals.com)Sep 25 14:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bizjournals.com | New Red Hat CFO Calderoni predicts big milemarker for open-source giant - Triangle Business JournalSep 25 14:46
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/20-years-basically-the-same.jpgSep 25 14:55
cubexyzsome funny windows 10 comments:Sep 25 14:59
cubexyz"Windows 10: slower than Vista, more unstable than Vista, and worse than Vista. But it will save children's lives and the entire freaking world and the universe."Sep 25 14:59
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/ancedote-windows-bsod.txtSep 25 15:15
MinceRpeople have grown to like slow, unstable, insecure botnets full of spywareSep 25 15:19
cubexyzlike?Sep 25 15:19
cubexyzI doubt they like itSep 25 15:19
MinceRthey actively go for itSep 25 15:20
MinceRthey advertise itSep 25 15:20
cubexyzcomplacent maybeSep 25 15:20
cubexyzlazySep 25 15:20
MinceRthey try to bring these design flaws to all other systems they can reachSep 25 15:20
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cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/poettering-systemd.pngSep 25 15:35
cubexyzanyways, my advice is use openbsd or roll your own distroSep 25 15:47
cubexyzit's not that hard if you use a distro you like as a starting pointSep 25 15:47
MinceRhttp://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/feb/07/tax-city-heist-of-centurySep 25 15:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | To us, it's an obscure shift of tax law. To the City, it's the heist of the century | George Monbiot | Comment is free | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/nuv8k ]Sep 25 15:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat Leftovers http://t.co/IWTtpPCsMQSep 25 15:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat Leftovers | Tux MachinesSep 25 15:57
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Always be shippable http://t.co/sFtUKk32mNSep 25 15:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Always be shippable | Tux MachinesSep 25 15:58
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos http://t.co/3MEAQ6D2UQSep 25 15:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesSep 25 15:58
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MinceRhttp://xkcd.com/1582/Sep 25 16:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd.com | xkcd: Picture a Grassy FieldSep 25 16:03
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cubexyzadded fold to Unix v5... only required a minor revisionSep 25 17:05
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MinceRhttps://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/12019933_10207849611587291_5992097943280940949_n.jpg?oh=3c13f8ec7916cae524f0357815adf8ad&oe=5664E9D9Sep 25 17:28
DaemonFCI cancelled the Comcast appointment.Sep 25 17:37
DaemonFCWho cares? I'm moving on Monday.Sep 25 17:37
DaemonFCI'm in first stage of the move right now. Pitching all the garbage that I don't want to take with me.Sep 25 17:38
DaemonFCI filled up half of each of two dumpsters. I didn't want them complaining that I filled a dumpster up.Sep 25 17:38
DaemonFCThere's more coming, but I'll drive to the third dumpster to get rid of this elliptical that I broke down.Sep 25 17:38
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DaemonFCI feel like Rain Man whenever I move. You get a dozen trash bags and fill them up going "Definitely don't need that. Definitely don't need that. Here's some underwear. I bought them at KMart.".Sep 25 18:53
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msb_cubexyz: That Poettering picture is cute but not nearly evil enough.Sep 25 19:04
cubexyzit's pretty evilSep 25 19:04
msb_You need the Nuremberg flavor:  https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSGiFwInLJtCZxbnDdNrbnUl63XMJJJG0OVtLj6kRXc-GfD-xmTSep 25 19:05
MinceRit's evil enough if you realize what 1984 was aboutSep 25 19:05
MinceRbut that one works tooSep 25 19:05
cubexyzthe swastika motif far predates Nazi GermanySep 25 19:08
cubexyzof course post WWII it was highly stigmatizedSep 25 19:08
MinceRindeed, but its use with the german imperial colors may notSep 25 19:08
cubexyztrueSep 25 19:08
msb_OK -- https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/574/7105/8d/www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/big-brother-1984.jpgSep 25 19:11
MinceRhm, the ingsoc logo uses mostly the same colors tooSep 25 19:11
MinceRperhaps not by accident :>Sep 25 19:12
cubexyzwhen was 1984 written?Sep 25 19:12
cubexyz1949 no wonderSep 25 19:12
msb_But Poettering's face needs to look a lot more evil.Sep 25 19:12
MinceRhttp://img.linuxfr.org/img/68747470733a2f2f6861636b2d6c696272652e6f72672f66696c65732f6c697672655f7072c3a966c3a972c3a95f6c656e6e6172742d35303070782e6a7067/livre_pr%C3%A9f%C3%A9r%C3%A9_lennart-500px.jpgSep 25 19:14
MinceRbetter?Sep 25 19:14
cubexyznot reallySep 25 19:14
MinceRhttps://web.archive.org/web/20141129114502/http://boycottsystemd.org/lennart1.pngSep 25 19:15
msb_noSep 25 19:15
msb_isn't there some video of him doing an angry rant?Sep 25 19:15
MinceRmaybe the video of that presentation he kept interruptingSep 25 19:15
MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTdUmlGxVo0Sep 25 19:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | 27c3 - Desktop on the Linux... (and BSD, of course) - Wolfgang Draxinger (+ Lennart Poettering) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/9v38j ]Sep 25 19:17
cubexyzthis sums up my feelings on the matter:Sep 25 19:17
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/systemd-everywhere.jpgSep 25 19:17
MinceR:)Sep 25 19:17
cubexyzanyways, all this systemd stuff got me back into BSD Sep 25 19:21
MinceRit's moving me that way as wellSep 25 19:21
MinceRi've just seen an allegation that freebsd won't follow "next"bsd, won't integrate launchd and all that toxic crapSep 25 19:22
XRevan86I remember MinceR saying that one of the systemd problems is LGPLSep 25 19:23
XRevan86and I agreeSep 25 19:23
XRevan86But *BSD is all full of permissive licenses.Sep 25 19:23
cubexyzthere's no ideal systemSep 25 19:23
XRevan86and GPL-hatredSep 25 19:23
MinceRwell, actually the dbus hole seems to be lessening the difference between the lgpl and the gplSep 25 19:24
msb_Rolling my own from Suse would take months, and then the rpm dependency tracking system would never work right.Sep 25 19:24
cubexyzthat's why I use older Linux, BSDs, and other operating systems for which I have source codeSep 25 19:24
MinceRand i've seen a library's license cause problems for users 2 libraries awaySep 25 19:24
cubexyzso I release code under GPL, and BSD folks can compile itSep 25 19:25
XRevan86MinceR: huh?Sep 25 19:25
msb_first thing is to forget about licensesSep 25 19:25
MinceRXRevan86: i can't remember exactly which it wasSep 25 19:25
XRevan86msb_: second is to forget about systemd?Sep 25 19:25
MinceRif you forget about systemd, they'll take you unawaresSep 25 19:25
msb_The goal is to eliminate systemdSep 25 19:25
cubexyzno, licenses do matterSep 25 19:25
XRevan86if you forget about licenses, they'll take you unawaresSep 25 19:26
cubexyzyou don't want Microsoft using your code in closed source projectsSep 25 19:26
MinceRi'm not sure if i can prevent itSep 25 19:26
MinceRor to what extent can i do soSep 25 19:26
msb_You certainly can't _detect_ it!Sep 25 19:26
MinceRor who will fund the lawyers suing for the abuseSep 25 19:27
MinceRthe systemd foundation?Sep 25 19:27
cubexyzthe FSF Sep 25 19:27
msb_Linux manages to incorporate the DVD decryption code, it's just located in a different place.Sep 25 19:28
MinceRyeah, i'm talking about themSep 25 19:28
cubexyzno one can force you to use systemdSep 25 19:28
cubexyzespecially if you switch to openbsd or freebsdSep 25 19:29
MinceRunless you need an applicationSep 25 19:29
msb_rightSep 25 19:29
msb_I want a distro that has up to date software.Sep 25 19:29
msb_appsSep 25 19:29
MinceRof course, i can run lendows in a vm, like winblowsSep 25 19:30
MinceRbut i don't want toSep 25 19:30
cubexyzI'm not aware of any application that _must_ have systemdSep 25 19:30
MinceRyet.Sep 25 19:30
MinceRtwo DEs require it already, their applications are nextSep 25 19:31
MinceRalso, afaik all waylandows implementations require systemdSep 25 19:31
msb_You don't want systemd at all, because sooner or later the US govt is going to use it to control your computer.  That's what it's for.Sep 25 19:31
MinceRindeedSep 25 19:31
MinceRand even if they didn't, it's an unreliable, unmaintainable, insecure messSep 25 19:31
msb_yes.  If your system has a problem, the fucked-up logs make it hard to diagnose.Sep 25 19:32
MinceRso does the fucked-up source codeSep 25 19:32
cubexyzthey just released Absolute Linux 14.12Sep 25 19:32
cubexyzI don't think it has systemdSep 25 19:32
msb_For a DE, KDE3 or Trinity works fine.Sep 25 19:33
msb_but does it have all the up to date apps?Sep 25 19:34
XRevan86msb_: Of course, not.Sep 25 19:34
XRevan86msb_: If you mean Trinity :)Sep 25 19:34
cubexyzwhat apps do you need?Sep 25 19:34
msb_a good distro has to have at least a dozen people maintaining itSep 25 19:35
XRevan86msb_: Void Linux, Devuan? :)Sep 25 19:36
msb_any ones I want, or that anyone wantsSep 25 19:36
cubexyzit's got firefox, openoffice, pidgin, gimp, thunderbird, k3b, frostwire, etc etcSep 25 19:36
msb_I want a distro for myself, and I only use a few apps.  But I want a distro that I can recommend to people, which means it needs all up to date apps.Sep 25 19:37
msb_So it has to be based on some big-time professional distro, but with the init system and other systemd shit fixed.Sep 25 19:40
XRevan86msb_: Gentoo?Sep 25 19:41
cubexyzI'd probably recommend a chromebook/chromebox for some peopleSep 25 19:43
msb_Most people are not going to want to compile everything.Sep 25 19:44
msb_Even I don't.  It's a waste of time.Sep 25 19:45
cubexyzno one is saying to compile everythingSep 25 19:45
msb_gentoo doesSep 25 19:45
cubexyzI assume you'll want to still write your own programsSep 25 19:45
msb_of courseSep 25 19:46
msb_I could install the latest LTS suse and put in my own init system, but I'd have to replace all the other systemd tentacles too.Sep 25 19:49
cubexyzso Absolute Linux, Void Linux, OpenBSD, FreeBSDSep 25 19:49
cubexyzAntiX and Q4OSSep 25 19:49
cubexyzstill plenty of optionsSep 25 19:49
msb_Do they have all the modern apps?Sep 25 19:49
msb_I'm not going to recommend, and probably not even going to use, some vanity one-man distro that doesn't have all the apps.Sep 25 19:50
msb_And all the up to date libraries used by apps like video editorsSep 25 19:53
cubexyzOpenBSD has a team of peopleSep 25 19:53
cubexyzno US restrictions on cryptography eitherSep 25 19:53
msb_This is NOT just for me.  I want a distro that I can proclaim to the whole world.Sep 25 19:53
cubexyzsince OpenBSD is based in CanadaSep 25 19:54
msb_Does OpenBSD have all the up to date apps like video editors?Sep 25 19:54
cubexyzI think it's a bit foolish to rely on one distroSep 25 19:54
cubexyzit has OpenShot Sep 25 19:56
cubexyzand mplayer, mencoder, ffplay etcSep 25 19:56
msb_Most people will want to rely on one distro.Sep 25 19:57
msb_And they will have certain apps they want to use, which they want to find in that distro.Sep 25 19:57
msb_I'm not talking about gnome.  fuck that.  Use Trinity.Sep 25 19:58
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cubexyzwell I used to use FedoraSep 25 20:00
cubexyzbut I did switch over to other distrosSep 25 20:01
msb_Suse and Ubuntu have all the apps.Sep 25 20:01
msb_I think ubuntu was designed for idiots, but maybe it's better now.Sep 25 20:02
cubexyzbut then you're back to systemd (?)Sep 25 20:02
msb_right.  I want a distro that's based on one of them and uses their repo, but has replaced systemd.Sep 25 20:03
cubexyzI think you can still use upstart on Ubuntu Sep 25 20:04
MinceR204456 < msb_> Most people are not going to want to compile everything.Sep 25 20:04
cubexyzbut the final version of 15.04 uses systemd by defaultSep 25 20:04
MinceRthey'll have to, if they want to remove dependencies on shit like dbusSep 25 20:04
MinceRand avahi, pulseaudio, networkmanager, polkit, etcSep 25 20:05
cubexyzthe fact of the matter is if you want to avoid systemd some thinking is necessarySep 25 20:07
cubexyzeither go OpenBSD or ChromeOS, or one of the slackware derived distrosSep 25 20:07
MinceRor (probably) gentoo or funtooSep 25 20:08
msb_do they have all the up to date apps?Sep 25 20:08
cubexyzChromeOS has tons of appsSep 25 20:09
msb_there are also shims.  Like apulse substitutes for pulseaudio and makes skype work.Sep 25 20:10
msb_does ChromeOS work only on chromebooks?Sep 25 20:10
cubexyzthere's Chromium OSSep 25 20:11
cubexyzI haven't tried it, I think I'd prefer a proper Linux/BSD distroSep 25 20:12
DaemonFCmsb_, There's Chromeboxes too.Sep 25 20:12
cubexyzhttp://arnoldthebat.co.uk/wordpress/chromium-os/Sep 25 20:13
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DaemonFCThe Comcast tech came out and found a major signal leak two apartment buildings down from me. He said, "Damn! That's one leaky motherfucker! There's your problem right there.". LOLSep 25 20:14
DaemonFCHe tagged the guy's door and they'll try to catch him when he's home.Sep 25 20:14
cubexyzhttps://www.chromium.org/chromium-osSep 25 20:14
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MinceRit would be better if applications were fixed instead of filling the OS with shimsSep 25 20:15
msb_OK, here's a list:Sep 25 20:15
msb_no systemdSep 25 20:15
MinceRskype only works for m$ and spy agencies anywaySep 25 20:15
msb_repo has all modern up-to-date appsSep 25 20:15
msb_large admin staff to bring in those appsSep 25 20:15
msb_binary distro -- don't have to compile everythingSep 25 20:15
msb_runs on any modern PCSep 25 20:15
MinceRi doubt such a thing existsSep 25 20:15
MinceRmaybe devuan will be thatSep 25 20:15
msb_MinceR: not relevant.  other apps may require pulseaudioSep 25 20:15
MinceRi suspect you wouldn't consider slackware's staff to be "large"Sep 25 20:16
cubexyzI'd say a chromebook/box is the easiest way to get someone started on the non-Microsoft planeSep 25 20:16
msb_This has to work for people who ALREADY HAVE A COMPUTER.Sep 25 20:16
MinceRapps that require pulseaudio are brokenSep 25 20:18
MinceRand for now, that particular cancer has not spread too much, afaikSep 25 20:18
msb_So if apulse shim fixes them, that's fine.Sep 25 20:18
cubexyzif you run OpenBSD you aren't going to have pulseaudio :)Sep 25 20:18
msb_does OpenBSD have all modern up-to-date apps?Sep 25 20:19
cubexyzthe truth of the matter is OpenBSD does not have everything Linux has, but it has some stuff Linux does not haveSep 25 20:19
cubexyzmost of the stuff does get ported, but not allSep 25 20:20
DaemonFCmsb_, Not always. Some of the desktops are depending more and more on stuff that only works on Linux, so they get stuck with old versions sometimes.Sep 25 20:20
DaemonFCKDE is better about that than GNOME, the last time I looked. They had code to integrate with systemd if that's present, but I don't think any of it has a hard dependency.Sep 25 20:21
msb_KDE3 is better than KDE4/5, and Trinity will never depend on systemdSep 25 20:22
msb_The important aspect of a DE is that it makes the OS easily usable, like having multiple virtual desktops.  The apps that come bundled with the DE are not important.  You can use any apps.Sep 25 20:24
DaemonFCShit. I've about filled an entire dumpster with just the crap I don't want to take with me on Monday.Sep 25 20:25
DaemonFCI tried to spread it out between two dumpsters so nobody would get mad at me for hogging it all, but I still have an elliptical machine that I broke down that needs to go in there. At least that's the last big thing.Sep 25 20:25
DaemonFCThere's a third dumpster on the other side of the complex. I'm throwing it all in my car and hauling it over there tonight.Sep 25 20:26
msb_Can't you give it to Good Will so they can fix and sell it?Sep 25 20:26
msb_the ellipticalSep 25 20:26
cubexyzI don't think Goodwill will take broken stuffSep 25 20:26
msb_yes, they pay poor people to fix it and they sell it win-winSep 25 20:27
DaemonFCcubexyz, Nah.Sep 25 20:27
DaemonFCI have an old rusty bicycle that I'm going to "donate" though.Sep 25 20:27
cubexyzI thought I remembered that Goodwill didn't take broken computers, but I could be wrongSep 25 20:28
cubexyzreading their policy nowSep 25 20:28
DaemonFCI tossed some old computers in the dumpster.Sep 25 20:28
DaemonFCNot worth making another trip so that I can get every piece of crap I've bought in the last 15 years into the new apartment.Sep 25 20:28
cubexyzok, looks like they do accept broken computersSep 25 20:28
msb_because they're modular, so easy to fixSep 25 20:29
cubexyzyes, I'm firmly in the fix-it camp Sep 25 20:29
DaemonFCOne worked, but it was too old to properly run even a Linux distribution.Sep 25 20:29
cubexyzhaSep 25 20:30
cubexyzI bet I could have run something on itSep 25 20:30
DaemonFCThe graphics chipset driver for Linux/X.org sucked and never got fixed.Sep 25 20:30
DaemonFCEventually deleted.Sep 25 20:30
cubexyzI've run Linux on 486sSep 25 20:34
DaemonFCIt depends on what your definition of "runs" is. ;)Sep 25 20:36
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/linux-486.jpgSep 25 20:36
DaemonFCGetting it to do something doesn't necessarily make it a useful computer.Sep 25 20:36
MinceRwell, if windows and macos can "run", then it certainly "runs"Sep 25 20:37
cubexyzwordprocessing? printing? IRC? Sep 25 20:37
cubexyza 486 can do a lot of thingsSep 25 20:37
cubexyzuse it as a firewallSep 25 20:41
cubexyzheck a Vax can do IRCSep 25 20:43
msb_MinceR: Please confine your pessimistic arguments with me to this channel.Sep 25 20:46
MinceRmsb_: please confine your political arguments to #boycottnovell-social Sep 25 20:47
cubexyzthat reminds me, do we really need a #boycottnovell still?Sep 25 20:48
msb_Do not follow me around, you goddamn mentally ill shitpig.Sep 25 20:48
MinceRi do not follow you anywhere, you retarded fascistic russowankerSep 25 20:50
MinceRcubexyz: ask Roy :)Sep 25 20:50
msb_you followed me to #devuanSep 25 20:50
XRevan86msb_: Isn't MinceR involved in #devuan ?Sep 25 20:51
MinceRi'm somewhat involvedSep 25 20:51
msb_yes, but when I said, in response to someone who said they'd just bought two Orange Pi's "THose little SBCs hold great hope for the world.  If everyone can have a $50 Linux computer then humanity can fight off world fascism."Sep 25 20:52
MinceRand i was there firstSep 25 20:52
MinceRbut msb_ never lets facts cloud his judgementSep 25 20:52
MinceRhit: if humanity wanted to fight off fascism, there would be no devuanSep 25 20:52
MinceRbecause debian wouldn't have tried to force cancerd on its usersSep 25 20:53
msb_mincer said, in #devuan "if only it wanted to"Sep 25 20:53
msb_IOW, his depressed delusion that people in general are shit.Sep 25 20:53
MinceRit's not a delusionSep 25 20:53
cubexyzI wouldn't say in general :-/Sep 25 20:53
MinceRit's enough to consider humanity's historySep 25 20:53
MinceRand what people generally do with democracySep 25 20:53
MinceRand how consumers derailed the IT industry into a shitfestSep 25 20:54
MinceRand what people generally did with religionsSep 25 20:54
MinceRetc.Sep 25 20:54
MinceRit's funny how msb_ insists humanity wants to fight fascism while msb_ himself advertises a prominent fascistSep 25 20:55
msb_MinceR: Here are 3 things that may help you.  Eventually you may stop lying about me.Sep 25 21:01
msb_1. Watch this David Korten video  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPiZJ5N9TkYSep 25 21:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | David Korten - The Great Turning - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/grbde ]Sep 25 21:01
msb_2. Read this pamphlet on Rational-Emotive Therapy  http://www.rational.org.nz/prof-docs/Intro-CBT.pdfSep 25 21:01
msb_3. Read _The Chalice and the Blade_ by Riane EislerSep 25 21:01
MinceRi've seen the video alreadySep 25 21:01
msb_Did you understand it?Sep 25 21:01
MinceRthere were some good ideas in it and also some baffling misconceptions (though no doubt they're common)Sep 25 21:02
MinceRmost of itSep 25 21:02
MinceRit was low quality so sometimes it was unclearSep 25 21:02
msb_you downloaded it?Sep 25 21:02
MinceRi didSep 25 21:02
msb_sometimes it helps to watch at lower speed, like .83 or .67Sep 25 21:03
MinceRthe sound recording is bad, the video is also bad and sometimes gets stuck on a frameSep 25 21:03
msb_what misconceptions?Sep 25 21:03
MinceRit also helps to use a good microphone in the right position for the recordingSep 25 21:03
MinceRlike what follows from evolution, or even what evolution isSep 25 21:03
MinceRor that from there being no god follows that you must be greedy and destructiveSep 25 21:04
MinceRsuch dismal shallownessSep 25 21:04
MinceRor how they're supposed to do this Great Turning if there are empires around which would no doubt easily beat them in a warSep 25 21:04
MinceR(that's pretty much the one thing they're good at, and the one thing they exist for)Sep 25 21:04
msb_he recommends option 3:  Sep 25 21:05
msb_Spirit       Integral            Love &                                                             Sep 25 21:05
msb_                                      SharingSep 25 21:05
MinceRyeah, love and sharing would be such a successful tactic against, say, microsoftSep 25 21:05
MinceRthey'd take everything and screw you for your troubleSep 25 21:05
msb_people and organizations gradually switching to pro-human methods.Sep 25 21:06
MinceRhow will they survive and compete against anti-human people and organizations?Sep 25 21:06
msb_Linux sharing IS successfull against Microshit.Sep 25 21:06
MinceRyes, because it's not totally sharing, via copyleftSep 25 21:06
msb_By working with each other.Sep 25 21:06
MinceRm$ couldn't just take everything and sell itSep 25 21:06
MinceRthat's why they're so madSep 25 21:06
msb_Try reading the RET pamphlet.  Maybe you will stop always focussing your mind on the most negative things.Sep 25 21:07
MinceRre evolution: there are actually quite well known examples of how changes in the environment doomed formerly highly successful, highly specialized speciesSep 25 21:08
MinceRbut to know about stuff like that, one needs to look beyond the straw men fundies present people withSep 25 21:08
msb_and that relates to Korten's ideas how?Sep 25 21:09
MinceRhe claimed that from evolution follows the idea that if we keep doing what we do as humans, we're invincibleSep 25 21:09
MinceRwhich of course doesn'tSep 25 21:09
MinceReven the commonly quoted "survival of the fittest" is inaccurateSep 25 21:10
cubexyzsurvival of the most adaptableSep 25 21:10
MinceRand regarding the recommended religion: isn't lying to people to control them a bad thing to do?Sep 25 21:10
MinceRmore like extinction of the least adequateSep 25 21:10
cubexyzthe dinosaurs were unlucky :)Sep 25 21:11
MinceRexcept for the birdsSep 25 21:12
MinceRbut yeah, non-bird dinosaurs were hugely successful until they suddenly weren'tSep 25 21:12
MinceRand apparently humans believe this couldn't happen to themSep 25 21:12
cubexyzit couldSep 25 21:13
cubexyza super-nova close enough to usSep 25 21:13
msb_Korten doesn't recommend a religion, just thinking of ourselves as spiritual beings.Sep 25 21:14
MinceRhe also says that knowing there's no "God" is bad and makes us evil and greedySep 25 21:14
XRevan86That explains why I'm evil and greedy.Sep 25 21:15
MinceRlolSep 25 21:16
msb_MinceR: you are misinterpreting Korten, as you misinterpret and distort nearly everything to fit your depression-paranoia-delusion.Sep 25 21:17
XRevan86GNU/Linux users are tend to be atheists.Sep 25 21:17
XRevan86Maybe it's the greed that stops us from using costy Windows and OS X %)Sep 25 21:17
MinceRmsb_: also, i wonder what could have possibly given you the idea that the russian empire runs on a partnership model.Sep 25 21:17
XRevan86Makes sense not.Sep 25 21:17
MinceRXRevan86: our greed for a system that worksSep 25 21:18
msb_I never said it did, you goddamn shitty liar.Sep 25 21:18
MinceRwe don't have the humility to settle for "God"'s officially anointed shitSep 25 21:18
XRevan86I don't get itSep 25 21:18
XRevan86MinceR: When did msb_ say that?Sep 25 21:19
XRevan86I remember no such thing.Sep 25 21:19
MinceRXRevan86: he keeps propping up putinSep 25 21:19
XRevan86> puthinSep 25 21:19
MinceRwhile also promoting these other ideas that seem to be diametrically opposed to what putin doesSep 25 21:19
XRevan86> putin*Sep 25 21:19
XRevan86> russian empireSep 25 21:19
msb_I never said it, or anything like it.  MinceR just lied.Sep 25 21:20
MinceRyou keep using that word.Sep 25 21:21
MinceRi don't think it means what you think it means.Sep 25 21:21
msb_What I said is that Putin has done some good things: opposed US power, formed the Eurasian Coalition, helped the people of Crimea and SyriaSep 25 21:22
MinceRthat's an interesting concept of "helping"Sep 25 21:23
MinceRalso, from this follows that kim jong-un is a saint, as he too opposes the usaSep 25 21:24
msb_And I said it right after I said that Bernie Sanders, Syriza, Jeremy Corbyn, Pope Francis have all become active at this time, so it seems like humanity is taking a turn for the better.Sep 25 21:25
msb_No, MinceR, that does NOT follow.  It's word-salad.Sep 25 21:25
MinceRtoday we learn that logical conclusions that are inconvenient to msb_ are called "word salad"Sep 25 21:26
MinceRand yes, the international pedophile party are doing so much good for humanitySep 25 21:26
MinceRlike introducing kids to sex and preventing pedophile priests from being tried for itSep 25 21:27
MinceRand like telling leading scientists what not to researchSep 25 21:27
MinceRand like propping up dictatorshipsSep 25 21:27
MinceRand like promoting AIDS in africaSep 25 21:27
msb_Its not a logical conclusion because Kim has not done anything to oppose US power (while Putin has), and he's done a lot of evil things (which Putin hasn't).Sep 25 21:28
MinceRand like promoting overpopulation everywhereSep 25 21:28
MinceRputin has done a lot of evil thingsSep 25 21:28
MinceRbut of course this is not conceivable to a putin worshipperSep 25 21:28
MinceRso, since dubya harmed the usa, does that make him a good guy?Sep 25 21:29
msb_MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME.  Saying someone did some good things is not the same as worshipping them.  Even you have done some good things, but I certainly don't worship you.Sep 25 21:36
MinceRit's putin you're infatuated with, though, not meSep 25 21:37
msb_MinceR: Harming the US is very different from opposing its attacks on other nations.Sep 25 21:37
MinceRopposing its attacks with attacks?Sep 25 21:38
msb_MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME!  I am not infatuated with Putin.Sep 25 21:38
msb_Putin did not attack Crimea.  He took it in when its citizens overwhelmingly requested it.Sep 25 21:38
MinceRputin did attack crimeaSep 25 21:39
MinceRhe marched his army into itSep 25 21:39
MinceRand he took over the region via lethal threatsSep 25 21:39
MinceRalso, you may want to ask the crimean tatars how well it worked out for themSep 25 21:39
MinceRand all this started from ukraine wanting to move on from being a worthless hellhole to improve their economy and democracy with help from the westSep 25 21:40
MinceRputler of course still considers ukraine to be his propertySep 25 21:40
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MinceRand yet you paint him as the hero of this storySep 25 21:40
MinceRwhich is totally ludicrousSep 25 21:40
MinceRand again, the "eurasian coalition" is just a collection of russia and a few states russia dominates and considers to be its propertySep 25 21:41
MinceR(similarly to how states under the control of the ussr weren't free to choose their political or economical systems)Sep 25 21:41
MinceRputin is also threatening the world (especially europe) with nuclear apocalypse, but you somehow don't mind that eitherSep 25 21:42
MinceRperhaps your Great Turning is actually Turning Into Irradiated Ash?Sep 25 21:43
msb_http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine/5371554Sep 25 21:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | The U.S. has Installed a Neo-Nazi Government in Ukraine | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization [ http://ur1.ca/ji3em ]Sep 25 21:43
MinceRhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/the-fda-and-big-pharmas-latest-killer-agenda-destroy-homeopathic-medicine/5455093Sep 25 21:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | The FDA and Big Pharma’s Latest Killer Agenda: Destroy Homeopathic Medicine | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization [ http://ur1.ca/nuxhl ]Sep 25 21:43
MinceRhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/vaccination-myths-and-truths/14618Sep 25 21:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | Vaccination Myths and Truths | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization [ http://ur1.ca/nuxho ]Sep 25 21:43
MinceRhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/drug-companies-donated-millions-to-california-lawmakers-prior-to-forced-vaccination-bill/5457393Sep 25 21:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | Drug Companies Donated Millions to California Lawmakers Prior to Forced Vaccination Bill | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization [ http://ur1.ca/nuxhp ]Sep 25 21:43
MinceRalso, it's interesting how every time putler attacks someone, the victims are blamed automaticallySep 25 21:44
MinceRapparently everyone who dares oppose the great fascist leader is by definition evilSep 25 21:44
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msb_This line is a keeper: "<MinceR> and all this started from ukraine wanting to move on from being a worthless hellhole to improve their economy and democracy with help from the west"Sep 25 21:57
msb_No mention of a coup against a democratically elected government, with the help of 5 billion dollars from the US and murderous violence from Svoboda and Right-Sector, which come from Stefan Bandera who fought with the Nazis in WW2.  Sep 25 21:59
msb_No wonder MinceR constantly misuses the word Fascism.  He doesn't want us to think about the concept it refers to.Sep 25 22:00
MinceRno mention of putin's human rights abuses, both on territory internationally recognized as being part of russia and on territory he invadedSep 25 22:01
msb_Could MinceR be working for the US govt?  He doesn't have much of an audience here, but the govt has trillions of dollars to throw around.Sep 25 22:01
MinceRno mention of the half-naked putin on a horse poster that's on the wall of msb_'s bedroomSep 25 22:01
MinceRit's a pity that msb_ doesn't get anything tangible out of fighting for putin in the kremlin's troll armySep 25 22:02
MinceRmsb_: i forgot. was your position that the ussr was a well-working democracy with its citizens enjoying all sorts of freedoms or that putin's regime is dramatically different from the ussr?Sep 25 22:03
msb_Summary of Mincer's mental illness:Sep 25 22:15
msb_1. If something bad might happen, even with a low probability, he assumes it _will_ happen.Sep 25 22:15
msb_2. If something negative occurs, he assumes that it will be expanded and exaggerated as much as possible.Sep 25 22:15
msb_3. If something isn't perfect, he thinks that it doesn't exist at all. Sep 25 22:15
msb_4. He creates fantasies about what he thinks are people's bad intentions, and thinks they are true.Sep 25 22:15
msb_5. He keeps telling the same lies over and over again, no matter how many times they are refuted.Sep 25 22:15
msb_6. He thinks that the object of his paranoia, Vladimir Putin, is out to get him personally.Sep 25 22:15
msb_7. That causes his associative mind, which takes statements literally, to become very frightened.Sep 25 22:15
MinceRlet me guess, that wasn't a personal attackSep 25 22:15
MinceRright?Sep 25 22:15
msb_It is verifiable fact.Sep 25 22:16
MinceR(no doubt it was easier to invent than answer the question)Sep 25 22:16
msb_I don't know what life in Russia is like.  Ask XRevan86.Sep 25 22:16
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MinceRyet you keep putting your foot in your mouth about itSep 25 22:17
MinceRand attack people who disagreeSep 25 22:17
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MinceRXRevan86: how is the current russia different from the ussr?Sep 25 22:40
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msb_Sequence of posts about the Ukraine Nazi coup:Sep 25 23:45
msb_1. MinceR describes the Nazi overthrow of the Ukraine govt, with $5billion from the US and two Nazi armies shooting people from rooftops, as Ukraine wanting to improve its economy with aid from the West.Sep 25 23:45
msb_2. I post a link to an article in globalresearch.ca describing the coup accurately, including a picture of the soldiers in Nazi uniformsSep 25 23:45
msb_3. MinceR posts links to articles from globalresearch talking about harm done by vaccines.  He thinks that vaccines never do harm, so he thinks that proves that GR.ca is unreliable.Sep 25 23:45
msb_4. I note that MinceR's statement about the Ukraine coup omits all the important facts.Sep 25 23:45
msb_5. MinceR claims I have a half-naked picture of Putin on my bedroom wall.Sep 25 23:45
MinceRand again, ad hominems instead of the pointSep 25 23:48
MinceRit's a pretty wild idea to expect a fascist to be one's ally in an alleged fight against fascismSep 25 23:48
MinceRit's similar to the delusion widely held (including in hungary) that if two forces oppose each other, one of them must necessarily be a force for goodSep 25 23:49
MinceRand of course to msb_ nazism means a few symbols and uniformsSep 25 23:51
MinceRwho cares about democracy, freedom, human rightsSep 25 23:51
MinceRthe only thing that matters is what you put on your flagSep 25 23:51
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XFaCEMinceR: yo my friendSep 25 23:55
MinceRj0Sep 25 23:55
XFaCEbreaking news, the UN officially outs themselves as a jokeSep 25 23:55
msb_MinceR: Why don't you attempt to justify your actions that I've listed above -- totally lying by omission on the Maidan coup, trying to smear globalresearch with USgovt backed lies about vaccines, sexual smear against me.  ???Sep 25 23:55
MinceRdidn't the WIPO (among others) reveal the UN to be a joke already? :>Sep 25 23:55
MinceRmsb_: you regurgitate russian government propaganda, wasting everyone's timeSep 25 23:56
XFaCEwell yeahSep 25 23:56
XFaCEMinceR: but this takes the pieSep 25 23:56
msb_The Russian govt has told the truth about the Nazi Ukraine coup.  Many diverse journalists agree with it.Sep 25 23:57
MinceRthe russian government has been running a concerted disinformation campaign for some time nowSep 25 23:58
MinceRincluding lying about their enemies and spreading all the conspiracy theories they can findSep 25 23:58
msb_about the Nazi Ukraine coup?Sep 25 23:58
MinceRukraine is one of their enemies, yesSep 25 23:58
MinceRrussia does not respect ukraine's sovereigntySep 25 23:59
msb_Russia was fine with ukraine's sovereignty until the US govt installed a Nazi coup government there.Sep 26 00:00
MinceRthat's bullshitSep 26 00:00
msb_That was the beginning of this whole conflict.Sep 26 00:00
MinceRand that's also bullshitSep 26 00:01
MinceRit also doesn't make any senseSep 26 00:01
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MinceRif it was up to the usa to choose what government to install, they would have avoided including those two far-right groups you keep pointing toSep 26 00:01
MinceRas it does not serve their interests to have them thereSep 26 00:02
msb_The US backed the coup for the purpose of starting a fight with Russia.  Same reason the CIA put 10,000 armed jihadists in Syria to overthrow the Assad govt.Sep 26 00:04
MinceRand the whole revolution grew out of ukraine's talks about joining the eu, iircSep 26 00:04
MinceRand russia shutting them downSep 26 00:04
msb_Russia shutting what down?Sep 26 00:04
MinceRukraine's efforts to strengthen their ties with the EUSep 26 00:06
msb_How did Russia do that?Sep 26 00:06
MinceRi don't remember the exact detailsSep 26 00:06
msb_Do you remember _any_ details, or is this another of your fantasies?Sep 26 00:07
msb_And how do you account for the Nazi Ukraine govt shooting down MH-17?Sep 26 00:08
MinceRthat's a russian fabricationSep 26 00:08
MinceReven the russians can't decide how they think it happenedSep 26 00:09
MinceRthey've published several conflicting tales on the matterSep 26 00:09
msb_I've showed you the pictures of the metal with holes from both sides.  From a German pilot, not from the Russian govt.Sep 26 00:09
XFaCEr_schestowitz: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/09/24/the-united-nations-has-a-radical-dangerous-vision-for-the-future-of-the-web/Sep 26 00:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | The United Nations has a radical, dangerous vision for the future of the Web - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/nuyat ]Sep 26 00:09
XFaCEr_schestowitz: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/647410648079577090Sep 26 00:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wikileaks: Online 'gender wars' instrumentalized by UN for mass online #censorship https://t.co/jJlCWge3VK pushed by Sweden: http://t.co/AhyiL6fRabSep 26 00:10
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MinceRmsb_: yes, you've showed pictures and allegationsSep 26 00:10
MinceRand now apparently you're an expert in such thingsSep 26 00:11
msb_The pictures show bullet holes from both sides, thus from the two Nazi Ukraine fighter jets that witnesses saw with the plane.Sep 26 00:11
msb_Which, BTW, the Nazi Ukraine air traffic controller diverted _into_ the war zone.Sep 26 00:12
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan#Initial_causesSep 26 00:12
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MinceRhere are the detailsSep 26 00:12
MinceR(which you will obviously ignore)Sep 26 00:12
MinceRah, so you can tell bullet holes from holes made by AA missilesSep 26 00:13
msb_wikipedia is controlled by the US government.  It calls 911 research "conspiracy theory":.Sep 26 00:13
XFaCEmsb_: Wikipedia is controlled by ultraPC censorship loving progressivesSep 26 00:13
MinceRno, it calls 9/11 conspiracy theories "conspiracy theory"Sep 26 00:14
msb_I can tell that some holes were created by bullets coming from one side and some from the other.  A missile would have made holes only from one side.  The two fighter jets made them from both sides.Sep 26 00:14
MinceRand of course we're back to the old routine that whoever says something that's inconvenient to putin is controlled by the us governmentSep 26 00:15
MinceRor some other absurd circular bullshit like thatSep 26 00:15
MinceRyou don't even know where those photos come fromSep 26 00:15
MinceRyou don't know how many missiles were firedSep 26 00:15
MinceRetc.Sep 26 00:15
MinceRyou merely assume whatever seems to support the russian party line at the momentSep 26 00:16
msb_In the demolition of the World Trade Center, 10-ton girders were blown horizontally at 70mph.  How was that the result of a gravity collapse?  Do you understand that F=ma is a _vector_ equation?Sep 26 00:16
msb_No one has said that more than one missile was fired at MH-17.Sep 26 00:17
MinceRhow did the "demolition" of the WTC affect that airliner?Sep 26 00:17
MinceRdid the debris from the WTC destroy the plane or what?Sep 26 00:17
msb_I wrote that because you said that the 911 research is a "conspiracy theory".Sep 26 00:17
MinceRyes, you're trying to divert from one topic to another in an attempt to waste everyone's timeSep 26 00:18
MinceRand avoiding answering any of the important questionsSep 26 00:18
msb_You are the one that wrote this:  "<MinceR> no, it calls 9/11 conspiracy theories "conspiracy theory""Sep 26 00:18
MinceRmsb_: a question you ignored before: was your position that the ussr was a well-working democracy with its citizens enjoying all sorts of freedoms or that putin's regime is dramatically different from the ussr?Sep 26 00:19
msb_I didn't ignore it.  I wrote: "14:17] <msb_> I don't know what life in Russia is like.  Ask XRevan86."Sep 26 00:20
MinceRbut you surely have a working assumption?Sep 26 00:21
msb_No I don't.Sep 26 00:21
MinceRahSep 26 00:21
MinceRso you support putin's regime regardless of what it doesSep 26 00:21
MinceRthat's nice.Sep 26 00:21
msb_I never said any such thing.  You are lying.Sep 26 00:22
MinceRyou propose current russia as the model of democracy and freedom all other states (but especially the usa) should aspire to and convert to, without knowing what it really is.Sep 26 00:22
MinceRyou wish to submit as many people as possible (in crimea and elsewhere) to putin's rule without knowing what that rule entails.Sep 26 00:22
MinceRand you paint yourself as an enemy of fascism.Sep 26 00:22
msb_I never said anything like that.  Sep 26 00:22
MinceRyou merely said the things those things logically follow fromSep 26 00:23
XRevan86msb_, MinceR: I have a proposal: why don't you discuss this matter in PM?Sep 26 00:23
MinceRyour position is absurd.Sep 26 00:23
MinceRXRevan86: msb_ wants an audience.Sep 26 00:23
msb_The people of Crimea voted to join Russia.  And 700,000 refugees from Ukraine have fled to Russia.Sep 26 00:23
MinceRyes, in a mock "referendum" under threat by an armySep 26 00:23
MinceRand yes, the russian government reported refugees from ukraineSep 26 00:23
XRevan86This discussion is sick at both sides.Sep 26 00:24
MinceRas they usually say whatever they think supports their effortsSep 26 00:24
MinceRalso, russian media uses actors to portray these alleged "refugees"Sep 26 00:24
MinceRand i've linked to a report to thatSep 26 00:24
MinceRand msb_ ignored it, as usualSep 26 00:24
MinceRmaybe msb_ also wishes to avoid discussing rights more relevant to technology, such as the UN's plans for global internet censorship.Sep 26 00:25
msb_I wrote that Bernie Sanders, Syriza, Jeremy Corbyn and Pope Francis are all doing good things now, and that even Putin is trying to  protect the people of Syria, and started the Eurasian Coalition, so good things are happening.  That's when Mincer attacked me.Sep 26 00:26
MinceRand again, the ad for the pedophile leader and the fascist idolSep 26 00:27
MinceRdo they pay you per impression, msb_?Sep 26 00:27
MinceRalso, how do you think "good things are happening" if you _admitted_ you don't know what's happening?Sep 26 00:27
msb_Do they pay you per lie, MinceR?Sep 26 00:27
MinceRyou keep using that word, msb_ Sep 26 00:27
msb_You keep lying.Sep 26 00:28
MinceRyou keep using that word, msb_ Sep 26 00:28
msb_Yes, because you keep lying.Sep 26 00:28
XRevan86systemdSep 26 00:28
MinceRmsb_: i don't think it means what you think it means.Sep 26 00:28
XFaCEXRevan86: I think Poettering is gushing over this UN announcementSep 26 00:29
msb_Good that you've seen Princess Bride, but I certainly know what lying is.Sep 26 00:30
MinceRno, you certainly don'tSep 26 00:30
XFaCEProbably programming a censorshipD addon to systemd right nowSep 26 00:30
msb_For example, you just wrote that I "_admitted_ [I] don't know what's happening".  I know a lot about what's happening.Sep 26 00:31
MinceRjust not what mattersSep 26 00:31
MinceRlike what is the nature of the regime you wish to extend to as many people as possibleSep 26 00:31
XRevan86XFaCE: What announcement is that exactly?Sep 26 00:31
MinceR(while somehow not being so willing to subject yourself to it, revealing you for the hypocrite you are.)Sep 26 00:32
XFaCEXRevan86: [19:09:19]<XFaCE> r_schestowitz: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/09/24/the-united-nations-has-a-radical-dangerous-vision-for-the-future-of-the-web/Sep 26 00:32
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XRevan86XFaCE: Great Maker.Sep 26 00:32
XFaCEgreat maker?Sep 26 00:33
MinceRShai-Hulud.Sep 26 00:33
XRevan86XFaCE: The highest Centauri god.Sep 26 00:34
msb_MinceSep 26 00:36
msb_MinceR: Lied about me again:  "the regime you wish to extend to as many people as possible"Sep 26 00:37
XFaCEahSep 26 00:37
XRevan86msb_: systemd is greatSep 26 00:37
MinceRyou keep supporting putin's imperialistic actions, including annexations.Sep 26 00:37
msb_I have never said I want Russia to take over the world.Sep 26 00:37
XRevan86MinceR: Devuan is awfulSep 26 00:37
MinceRmsb_: just a part of it?Sep 26 00:37
XRevan86just horribleSep 26 00:37
XRevan86the worstSep 26 00:38
MinceRmsb_: how big a part of the world would you have humanity hand over to russia, exactly?Sep 26 00:38
XRevan86XFaCE: They don't even notice.Sep 26 00:38
msb_XRevan86: In what way.  AFAIK it's still in alpha.Sep 26 00:38
MinceRmsb_: do you want them to have crimea? eastern ukraine? all of ukraine? estonia? latvia? lithuania? poland? hungary? moldova? romania? germany? all of europe?Sep 26 00:38
XRevan86msb_: It has no systemd, of course :).Sep 26 00:38
MinceRXRevan86: pre-release bugs or conceptual issues?Sep 26 00:39
XRevan86MinceR: Just distracting from the endless holywar.Sep 26 00:39
MinceRXRevan86: ah.Sep 26 00:39
msb_I want Russia to have whoever wants to be in Russia.  No more, no less.Sep 26 00:39
XRevan86MinceR: Does it work?Sep 26 00:39
XFaCEXRevan86: Gentoo FTWSep 26 00:40
MinceRXRevan86: i've tried it a few months ago, back then i could not disinfect it of systemd to a satisfactory extent, but i expect things to improve until the releaseSep 26 00:40
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MinceRof course if i want to go further (especially dbus), i'll have to use a source distro.Sep 26 00:40
MinceRi don't even know at this point to what extent i would/could remove poetteringware from the system i'm targetingSep 26 00:41
XRevan86MinceR: It is pretty systemd-free. One doesn't have to use systemd-shim even.Sep 26 00:41
MinceRso i can hardly expect a binary distro to have the solution to that alreadySep 26 00:41
MinceRXRevan86: can libsystemd0 be removed from an ordinary desktop install yet?Sep 26 00:42
XRevan86MinceR: I don't know, but I truly believe that doesn't matter.Sep 26 00:42
MinceRi think it should be removedSep 26 00:42
MinceRespecially considering the case of redcrap pushing malicious code in place of the alleged no-op in libsystemd as an "update"Sep 26 00:43
XRevan86MinceR: This harmless library doesn't reflect any of anti-systemd concerns.Sep 26 00:43
MinceRwhich debian would no doubt relay immediatelySep 26 00:43
MinceRXRevan86: i don't trust updates to that library, and i don't think that its inclusion and dependency on it is justifiable.Sep 26 00:43
MinceRhell, even replacing it with a _real_ no-op that is not controlled by redcrap would be an improvementSep 26 00:45
XRevan86MinceR: You really do hate systemd, do youSep 26 00:45
MinceRbut i'm pretty sure we can do better than thatSep 26 00:45
MinceRwhy yes, i hate having an effort to turn unix into windows forced onto meSep 26 00:45
XRevan86via libsystemdSep 26 00:46
MinceRvia systemd, gnome, kde, etc.Sep 26 00:46
MinceRoh, let's not forget debian 8Sep 26 00:46
MinceRalso, kdbusSep 26 00:46
MinceRand apparently there's an attempt to make firmware updates also require systemdSep 26 00:46
MinceR(or windows, or macos)Sep 26 00:47
msb_What's wrong with dbus, if it's not a part of systemd?Sep 26 00:47
MinceRdbus is a prime example of the braindead design principles redcrap is forcingSep 26 00:47
MinceRdbus was designed so that its clients can't deal with dbus being restartedSep 26 00:48
MinceRtherefore, to restart dbus you're supposed to rebootSep 26 00:48
MinceRand of course to upgrade dbus you'd have to restart dbusSep 26 00:48
MinceRand then they make everything depend on dbusSep 26 00:48
MinceRapparently, redcrap believes that servers and workstations should be restarted as often as toys running winblows.Sep 26 00:48
MinceRi think that such careless thinking is toxic and harmful to any mission critical application of IT.Sep 26 00:49
MinceRi think that such an attitude has no place in professional IT.Sep 26 00:49
msb_The whole description of it looks overly complex.  Couldn't the same thing be done with files and pipes?Sep 26 00:50
MinceRoh, and since the implementation of dbus is about as shitty as its design, redcrap is forcing it into the kernelSep 26 00:50
MinceRafaik it could be done better with files and socketsSep 26 00:50
MinceRor pipes, i'm not sure, i don't see named pipes oftenSep 26 00:51
XRevan86> and apparently there's an attempt to make firmware updates also require systemdSep 26 00:51
XRevan86What?Sep 26 00:51
MinceRalso, redcrap is trying to pressure Linus into merging kdbus even though it's pointless and toxicSep 26 00:51
MinceRXRevan86: i've seen some discussion of some mechanism that would be built into systemdSep 26 00:51
MinceRsounded like redcrap is trying to abuse its connections to hw vendors to force systemd on usersSep 26 00:51
XRevan86MinceR: Apparently you mean the unified UEFI firmware updates.Sep 26 00:52
MinceRmaybeSep 26 00:52
XRevan86which doesn't care, systemd or notSep 26 00:52
MinceRyeah, i guess uefi also has to have a hand in thisSep 26 00:52
MinceRbecause every piece of toxic shit has to be on the gravy trainSep 26 00:53
msb_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_domain_socketSep 26 00:53
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MinceRredcrap claims dbus is too slow because of kernel call overheadSep 26 00:53
MinceReven though Linus bothered to actually profile it and showed that it spends most of its time in broken glib shitSep 26 00:54
MinceRredcrap just tried to force it into the kernel for alleged performance issues they couldn't even be bothered to profileSep 26 00:54
MinceRalso, poettering said that the shiny new zero-copy messaging in kdbus actually doesn't even help performance with <512kB messagesSep 26 00:54
MinceRwho the hell sends >512kB messages on dbus?Sep 26 00:54
MinceRidiots, that's who.Sep 26 00:54
XRevan86That firmwary thing is fwupdSep 26 01:00
XRevan86and it doesn't depend on systemdSep 26 01:00
MinceRthat's goodSep 26 01:00
MinceRwait, does it depend on kdbus?Sep 26 01:00
XRevan86MinceR: on dbusSep 26 01:00
MinceRah, of courseSep 26 01:01
MinceRand then they'll probably change kdbus so dbus is no longer compatible with apps that use itSep 26 01:01
XRevan86https://github.com/hughsie Look at this guy.Sep 26 01:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | hughsie (Richard Hughes) · GitHubSep 26 01:02
XRevan86He's capable of anything.Sep 26 01:02
XRevan86and he's Britain, tooSep 26 01:03
XRevan86British*Sep 26 01:03
MinceRand apparently associated with gnomSep 26 01:03
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MinceRi finally watched citizenfourSep 26 01:24
DaemonFCI'm not watching many movies lately.Sep 26 01:44
DaemonFCPre-occupied with the move.Sep 26 01:45
DaemonFCI've busted down a bunch of old furniture and exercise equipment that was well worn out anyway.Sep 26 01:45
DaemonFCNow I have to figure out what to do with an old rusty bicycle.Sep 26 01:45
DaemonFCBy Monday, I want to be in and out. I don't want to be dicking around here in Huntington for a minute longer than I have to.Sep 26 01:46
MinceR:>Sep 26 01:46
*amarsh04 watched a preview of "The Martian" last weekSep 26 02:00
DaemonFCJ. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Sep 26 03:17
DaemonFCI haven't had any trouble out of my Galaxy S6, but I understand that a lot of Apple users have to cut down Android phones because that whole iOS thing isn't working out too well for them. Apple's own Move to iOS app doesn't even work right. It will silently drop files when it runs out of space on the iOS device, which is likely, since the amount of storage space on the base model S6 is 2-4 times more than an iPhone (5C and 6).Sep 26 03:17
DaemonFCBut since Apple can't be bothered to test anything before it goes out, why should anyone expect that to work?Sep 26 03:17
DaemonFCI suspect that Apple can't be bothered to do QA because they know people will buy them, bugs and all. Thousands of bugs. Really big bugs. Huge honkin' bugs. ;)Sep 26 03:18
MinceRnobody really cares if it worksSep 26 03:18
MinceRif they did, they wouldn't be buying crApple productsSep 26 03:18
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kyleriggyo guysSep 26 03:42
kylerigg9/11 was an inside job and the used holograms for planesSep 26 03:42
kyleriggi saw this picture where the wing just disappearsSep 26 03:42
kyleriggmsb_: Sep 26 04:24
kyleriggsomeone told me you are into the 9/11 stuffSep 26 04:24
kyleriggon google groupsSep 26 04:25
kyleriggthey said you knew all about the hologram planesSep 26 04:25
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msb_kylerigg: Hi!  Here's the start of my 911 stuff:  http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911Sep 26 04:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For EveryoneSep 26 04:43
msb_Here's the 911 disinfo  page:  http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/disinfo.htmlSep 26 04:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | The No-WTC-Planes/Video-Fakery/Energy-Beams Disinformation Gang [ http://ur1.ca/gnxmb ]Sep 26 04:44
msb_"hologram planes" are discussed in thereSep 26 04:44
msb_Wing disappearing is caused by the video compression algorithms used for processing all the videos.  They compress the video bandwidth by a factor of 10 or more by not transmitting parts of the image twice that are the same in successive frames, and by removing fine details that would not be seen by a viewer sitting at a normal distance from the TV and watching the video at normal speed.Sep 26 04:49
msb_This sometimes includes a wing or tail of the plane hitting the WTC.  Proof that the planes were not holograms include the fact that in some videos the plane is seen as a dark object against the bright sky.  There's no way a hologram projector can project darkness against an ambient bright background.Sep 26 04:51
msb_But 911 was definitely an inside job.  The simplest proof is the David Chandler video, which shows 10-ton girders being blown sideways during the fall of the north WTC tower.   Newton's Second Law: F = ma says that to propel something horizontally requires a horizontal force. Gravity is a vertical force. The horizontal force could only have been implanted explosives. Newton published his Laws of Motion in the year 1687.  The equation Sep 26 04:58
msb_for the Second Law, F=ma, is a _vector_ equation.  The quantities F (force) and a (acceleration) are vector quantities, meaning that they have both magnitude and direction,  To propel those girders horizontally requires a horizontal force, which had to come from explosives implanted in the building.  Sep 26 04:58
msb_RT just did a great show on the advantages of sharing information and ideas, and the disadvantages of patents and copyrights.  Hopefully it will be on their website and I'll post it here.Sep 26 05:05
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msb_Also the fact that the planes in both cases created plane-shaped holes of the right size with steel girders bent inward shows that they were solid objects.Sep 26 05:10
msb_All this was figured out within a year or two of the event, and the fact that the disinfo websites are still there and their owners still putting out occasional videos are good proof that they are government agents trying to discredit real scientific 911 research.  They call themselves researchers, but anyone with a basic knowledge of physics and engineering can see that their claims are absurd.  Thus they are trying to confuse casual Sep 26 05:16
msb_readers into think that real 911 researchers are talking nonsense.  Only the US (and Israeli) government has the motive for doing this.Sep 26 05:16
msb_think->thinkingSep 26 05:17
msb_Questions?  Comments?Sep 26 06:12
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cubexyzhologram planes? :)Sep 26 06:58
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msb_cubexyz: It's an attempt to discredit the 911 research by disinformation.  See the explanation starting about 2.5 hours ago.Sep 26 07:01
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msb_RT show, first segment about disadvantages of competition, advantages of sharing:  http://www.rt.com/shows/redacted-tonight-summary/316565-oil-spill-un-concert/Sep 26 10:07
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MinceRhttp://img.pr0gramm.com/2015/09/25/eb91c3e22b387b17.gifSep 26 13:36
MinceRyeah, command economy is totally different if you call it "sharing"Sep 26 13:37
MinceRoh waitSep 26 13:37
cubexyzhttp://globalfreedommovement.org/bill-gates-pledges-billions-to-earths-most-evil-companies/Sep 26 13:51
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msb_"<MinceR> yeah, command economy is totally different if you call it "sharing""  MinceR's paranoid delusions convert everything good into something evil for him.  The RT show said nothing about "command economy".  FOSS is sharing but is not "command economy".Sep 26 15:11
MinceRFOSS has plenty of competitionSep 26 15:12
MinceRat least until redcrap has their waySep 26 15:13
msb_That doesn't affect the refutation of the paranoid delusional claim that sharing means command economy,Sep 26 15:14
MinceRlack of competition means monopolySep 26 15:15
MinceRand we've all seen where that leadsSep 26 15:15
msb_There are many other examples of sharing that are not command economy -- sharing within a family, charity, worker-owned companies...Sep 26 15:16
msb_Competition or lack of it doesn't affect the refutation of the paranoid delusional claim that sharing means command economy,Sep 26 15:17
msb_MinceR: Your claim was wrong.  Admit it.Sep 26 15:17
MinceR"disadvantages of competition, advantages of sharing:"Sep 26 15:18
MinceRstop lying about what your claim was.Sep 26 15:18
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msb_MinceR: prove your claim that I am lying.Sep 26 15:19
MinceRi already have.Sep 26 15:19
MinceR161801 < MinceR> "disadvantages of competition, advantages of sharing:"Sep 26 15:19
MinceR110745 < msb_> RT show, first segment about disadvantages of competition, advantages of sharing:  Sep 26 15:19
MinceRi'm afraid you'll get what you asked for, thoughSep 26 15:20
MinceR(see: uefi, intel boot guard)Sep 26 15:21
msb_An example of disadvantage of competition is multiple car companies all doing R&D on new engines, and duplicating each other's work instead of sharing their ideas.Sep 26 15:22
msb_...openlySep 26 15:22
MinceRthat also results in a variety of approachesSep 26 15:22
MinceRthe first one is not guaranteed to be the bestSep 26 15:22
MinceRbut if you want to see how a lack of competition worked out, take a look at the ussr and the eastern bloc under its heel.Sep 26 15:23
msb_They can still try a variety of approaches, while benefitting from all the ideas instead of some of them.Sep 26 15:23
MinceRalso, just "multiple car companies" tends to be competitionSep 26 15:24
MinceR(unless competition is subverted, e.g. via a trust)Sep 26 15:24
cubexyzin software competition was subvertedSep 26 15:27
msb_MinceR always assumes an authoritarian society.  He can't conceive of a sharing, pro-human society as explained by David Korten.  MinceR's mind is so severely programmed that his imagination is totally limited to dystopias.Sep 26 15:27
cubexyzthat's changing finallySep 26 15:27
MinceRmsb_ always promotes authoritarian societySep 26 15:28
gde33|2your mum is authoritairan!Sep 26 15:28
MinceRlolSep 26 15:28
gde33|2here I wrote my dictator of earth joke of the day https://gaby.wordpress.com/2015/09/26/we-should-turn-education-into-a-paid-occupation/Sep 26 15:29
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gde33|2it is full of nice punsSep 26 15:29
msb_Software was shared from the beginning via Usenet, SIMTEL20, magazines like Byte and many others.Sep 26 15:30
gde33|2at first the real software was written and shared by 13 year oldsSep 26 15:30
gde33|2alien to the concept of enslaving othersSep 26 15:30
msb_MinceR lied about me again.  I _never_ promote authoritarian society!Sep 26 15:31
cubexyzthere was software sharing before usenetSep 26 15:31
MinceRperhaps in msb_'s dreams putin is not authoritarianSep 26 15:31
MinceRat first 13 year olds didn't even have access to computersSep 26 15:31
msb_cubexyz: yes, I think via uucp.Sep 26 15:31
gde33|2ill cite some of my briliant insights of the day: Money is an inanimate object. If you put a stack of it in front of you it wont grow legs and start building things.Sep 26 15:31
msb_Also bulletin-board-systems.Sep 26 15:32
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gde33|2MinceR: software before that was no goodSep 26 15:32
MinceRgde33|2: software still is no goodSep 26 15:32
cubexyzTed Bashkow gave a presentation about Unix in June 1972 at Murray HillSep 26 15:33
cubexyzthat's closer to the beginning... usenet didn't start until 1979Sep 26 15:33
MinceRsee also: http://oldfag.net/images.jpgSep 26 15:33
gde33|2MinceR: that is because slavery comes before the prosperity that never comesSep 26 15:33
cubexyzit's because of Bashkow's presentation that we still have Unix v1 in some formSep 26 15:34
gde33|2after thousands of years still no carrotSep 26 15:34
MinceRgde33|2: yupSep 26 15:34
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gde33|22 people: One holds up a type of contract and claims the other guys labor doesn’t belong to the other guy but is in fact his property. He claims the interest on his 1 million not just makes him the owner of the other guys labor but also that of his children, his grandchildren and so on, until the end of time.Sep 26 15:34
cubexyzwhat is /b/ ?Sep 26 15:34
MinceRgde33|2: but we're expected to believe that slavery leads to prosperitySep 26 15:34
MinceRcubexyz: i'm not at liberty to say. :)Sep 26 15:34
gde33|2MinceR: we do believe this!Sep 26 15:35
gde33|2put your hands on the screen and repeat after me I BELIEVE!Sep 26 15:35
cubexyzsimtel was mostly MSDOS stuff... not that importantSep 26 15:35
cubexyza sideshow at bestSep 26 15:35
cubexyzDECUS was more importantSep 26 15:36
msb_PCDOS stuff was very important.  People created a lot of great software for PCDOS.  I did so.Sep 26 15:36
kylerigg[23:49] <msb_> Wing disappearing is caused by the video compression algorithms used for processing all the videos.  They compress the video bandwidth by a factor of 10 or more by not transmitting parts of the image twice that are the same in successive frames, and by removing fine details that would not be seen by a viewer sitting at a normal distance from the TV and watching the video at normal speed.Sep 26 15:36
kyleriggwhat about the backdropSep 26 15:36
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cubexyzUnix was the true precursor of what we all use nowSep 26 15:37
kyleriggthe sky "coincidentally" changes to a pure blue backdropSep 26 15:37
cubexyznot MSDOS... stolen from CP/MSep 26 15:37
kyleriggcubexyz: nothing was stolen from CP/MSep 26 15:37
cubexyzsure it wasSep 26 15:37
msb_kylerigg: the background is extended as the same color as the surroundingSep 26 15:37
kyleriggcubexyz: microsoft bought it fair and squareSep 26 15:38
gde33|2one is to work like a slave or face the ultimate punishment. Not sudden death or a bunch of lashes (if only!) but a process of slowly dwindling away, losing friends, your cat, the car, the house and many years of your life if you can call it that and if you still want to live that is.Sep 26 15:38
gde33|2The process of excommunication is intentionally slow so that you can contribute to the economy by showing working people what happens if they cant find work anymore. Other civilizations used ritual sacrifice for this.Sep 26 15:38
cubexyzPaterson ripped off CP/MSep 26 15:38
kyleriggwelcome to earthSep 26 15:38
kylerigglinux ripped off unixSep 26 15:38
kylerigggnu ripped off unixSep 26 15:39
kylerigggnome ripped off apple and microsoftSep 26 15:39
kyleriggkde ripped off apple and microsoftSep 26 15:39
gde33|2there is a real problem with simply providing an income to everyone who doesn’t work. It is not that there is not enough food or that we cant build houses for everyone. The real problem is that a growing percentage of the population would completely uninvolved themselves with that what sustains them. We would end up expecting a tiny group of technocrats sustains us simply because we demand it. Our concept of problem “salving” woSep 26 15:39
gde33|2ld deteriorate into waving our fist at it. We already have plenty of that, it hardly qualifies as a solution (if at all).Sep 26 15:39
kyleriggeveryone rips off everyoneSep 26 15:39
msb_As the RT show said, all ideas are based on previous ideas.Sep 26 15:39
msb_That's only "ripping off" in a society in which all ideas are "intellectual property" and "owned" by someone.Sep 26 15:40
MinceRkylerigg: afaik m$ bought a cp/m clone that was based on stolen cp/m codeSep 26 15:40
kyleriggsounds like conspiracy theorySep 26 15:40
MinceRlook who's talkingSep 26 15:40
gde33|2what does that mean when something is a CONSPIRACY THEORY?Sep 26 15:41
kyleriggm$ (evil dollar sign lulz), is a great company nowadaysSep 26 15:41
MinceRcrApple and m$ and everyone else ripped off Xerox PARCSep 26 15:41
kyleriggfor $7 i get unlimited cloud storage and office 2016 for osxSep 26 15:41
kyleriggand the xbox one is amazingSep 26 15:41
gde33|2is it a kind of crimethink?Sep 26 15:41
MinceRkylerigg: if suing companies for selling android devices is "great"Sep 26 15:41
cubexyzjust kick him out of hereSep 26 15:41
MinceRkylerigg: and if spyware botnet is "great"Sep 26 15:41
cubexyzor I'll do itSep 26 15:41
MinceRwhy? we don't kick anyoneSep 26 15:41
kyleriggMinceR: they could just stop using the FAT filesystem which microsoft ownsSep 26 15:41
gde33|2hahaaSep 26 15:41
MinceRkylerigg: you might want to talk to the guys maintaining the SD card standards about thatSep 26 15:42
cubexyzkylerigg, goSep 26 15:42
gde33|2MS uses the code from the 90's for fatSep 26 15:42
cubexyzleaveSep 26 15:42
kyleriggarent android vendors locking down their phones and not including SD card support anymore?Sep 26 15:42
cubexyzI can't be bothered talking to youSep 26 15:42
kylerigglike samsungSep 26 15:42
MinceRnot all of themSep 26 15:42
gde33|2We all get to take a swing at the puzzle but the requirements your answer must meet are quite unreasonable. It has to be something short and simple so that everyone may understand it while people really don’t have time to listen nor the mental state to ponder the proposal.Sep 26 15:42
kyleriggcubexyz: so the answer is that I leave cause ur butthurt?Sep 26 15:42
MinceRnot even most of them, afaictSep 26 15:42
cubexyzkylerigg, fuck offSep 26 15:42
kyleriggcensorshipSep 26 15:42
gde33|2something the size of an irc messageSep 26 15:43
gde33|2My answer would be: We should turn education into a paid occupation.Sep 26 15:43
MinceRkylerigg: we're not obligated to listen to what you have to say. that is not censorship.Sep 26 15:43
kyleriggi was being quite civilSep 26 15:43
msb_cubexyz: Leave kylerigg alone!Sep 26 15:43
MinceRkylerigg: you can start your own channel.Sep 26 15:43
msb_He could start his own channel but he's here with us. Sep 26 15:43
gde33|2stop hurting my but, good enough for meSep 26 15:43
gde33|2RAPE!Sep 26 15:44
MinceRlolSep 26 15:44
msb_If you disagree with him then refute what he's saying.Sep 26 15:44
*kylerigg defends microsoft, gets sworn at and gets told to leaveSep 26 15:44
kyleriggheck even dotnet is pure open source nowSep 26 15:44
gde33|2we are about technology ms is a marketing companySep 26 15:44
gde33|2not even the same sectorSep 26 15:44
MinceR"pure" as in "pure patent trap"Sep 26 15:44
MinceRm$ is a marketing/corruption/legal companySep 26 15:44
kyleriggit was all released under an open source license which guarantees its patents dont applySep 26 15:45
MinceRa criminal enterpriseSep 26 15:45
MinceRkylerigg: citation neededSep 26 15:45
kylerigghttps://github.com/Microsoft/dotnet/blob/master/LICENSESep 26 15:45
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gde33|2its such a nice prison, the food isn't so bad and the guards dont beat me that oftenSep 26 15:45
MinceRkylerigg: no patent license thereSep 26 15:46
MinceRjust a copyright licenseSep 26 15:46
kyleriggthey're granting unlimited useSep 26 15:46
kyleriggthey can't legally go and say you can'tSep 26 15:46
kyleriggcause of patentsSep 26 15:46
MinceRthe most we ever got was a "covenant not to sue" that only applied to a fraction of the .net/mono patent trapSep 26 15:46
MinceRand iirc not even to all usersSep 26 15:46
kyleriggmicrosoft never released code beforeSep 26 15:47
MinceRkylerigg: inform us how your court case goes when it goesSep 26 15:47
MinceRactually, they haveSep 26 15:47
kyleriggthere wont ever be oneSep 26 15:47
kyleriggthey dont careSep 26 15:47
msb_gde33|2: A system in which everyone is given a guaranteed minimum income does not have to suppress creativity.  People given enough money for food clothing and shelter (and medical care) will still want a car, TV, computer, maybe even a helicopter, and will work for it.  The government may have to employ them, e.g. for maintaining and improving infrastructure.Sep 26 15:47
gde33|2msb_: it would work for most people Sep 26 15:48
MinceR“I saw that internally inside Microsoft many times when I was told to stay away from supporting Mono in public. They reserve the right to sue”Sep 26 15:48
MinceR–Robert Scoble, former Microsoft evangelistSep 26 15:48
gde33|2msb_: not for all and everyone would be increasingly detached from that what sustains themSep 26 15:48
kyleriggMinceR: that sounds like hearsay to meSep 26 15:49
gde33|2My answer would be: We should turn education into a paid occupation. Don’t let the simplicity of the answer fool you, it was a requirement.Sep 26 15:49
MinceRkylerigg: the stuff you say sounds like bullshit to meSep 26 15:49
kyleriggMinceR: maybe he got fired and hes just making shit upSep 26 15:49
kyleriggMinceR: does he have proof?Sep 26 15:49
gde33|2msb_: My answer would be: We should turn education into a paid occupation. Don’t let the simplicity of the answer fool you, it was a requirement.Sep 26 15:49
MinceRkylerigg: do you?Sep 26 15:49
kylerigghttps://github.com/Microsoft/dotnet/blob/master/LICENSESep 26 15:49
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MinceRthat doesn't prove shitSep 26 15:49
kyleriggit proves you can use dotnetSep 26 15:49
MinceRno, it doesnSep 26 15:49
MinceR'tSep 26 15:49
msb_gde33|2: That's a very good idea!Sep 26 15:49
MinceRit proves you won't be sued for infringing on its copyrightSep 26 15:50
MinceRyou'll be sued for infringing on the patents insteadSep 26 15:50
gde33|2msb_: The idea offers a long term vision as well as short term gains and both poor and rich people should be able to agree about it. We have far to many people competing at the education free bottom of the job market. Many of them could have done better which strongly suggests they don’t belong there. Sep 26 15:50
kyleriggyeah and its abuse of court proceedings to give everyone a license and then sue themSep 26 15:50
MinceRyeah, because we aren't seeing any abuse of court proceedingsSep 26 15:50
MinceRoh waitSep 26 15:50
gde33|2msb_: There is no reason to expect physical labor to make a comeback (on the contrary) but would we ever run out of people there we can simply import them from less fortunate places or move production overthere. As long as our citizens are doing well for themselves this isn’t an issue.Sep 26 15:50
kyleriggFAT was reverse engineered and nobody from microsoft said "hey you can use FAT in everything"Sep 26 15:50
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MinceRthey still managed to force it on everyoneSep 26 15:51
MinceRfor example via SDSep 26 15:51
MinceRespecially SDXCSep 26 15:51
gde33|2msb_: but we do have to seriously retool educationSep 26 15:51
MinceR(exFAT)Sep 26 15:51
kyleriggand?Sep 26 15:51
kyleriggevery day something is forced on youSep 26 15:51
gde33|2msb_: We have madly outdated systems that follow methods from ancient militaristic regimes. Imagine a business with the desks positioned like that, with everyone listening to the manager all day. Taking notes etc A platoon of marching soldiers comes much closer to the formula.Sep 26 15:51
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gde33|2msb_: kids think of education as something they have to sit though. They perceive it as something temporary that one just has to survive.Sep 26 15:52
msb_gde33|2: Gaddafi provided a free university education to anyone who wanted it, before the US murdered him and destr0yed Libya.Sep 26 15:52
gde33|2msb_: other countries did and do provide free educationSep 26 15:53
gde33|2msb_: but it shouldn't be free, it should be paid workSep 26 15:53
kylerigganyway ill make everyone happy and leave, gonna go play xbox and improve my gamerscoreSep 26 15:53
kyleriggand look up achievement gets on my iphoneSep 26 15:53
gde33|2msb_: and last your whole life if need beSep 26 15:53
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gde33|2The applied formula is just bad then we also put the student on a tight schedule. The schedule begins to divide the citizenry into those who succeed and those who did not and will not. Ohhh that guy who got the flu at the wrong time, he barely made it! To bad for us, now we have to pay for him the rest of his life?Sep 26 15:53
msb_gde33|2: The Summerhill school provided a very relaxed and non-authoritarian environment.  It was very successful in educating kids.Sep 26 15:54
gde33|2msb_: there are such obvious stupidities in our education systemSep 26 15:54
msb_gde33|2: You are certainly correct in your description of most current education systems.Sep 26 15:54
gde33|2Look for laughs at memory athletes, thanks to simple training they are able to absorb many thousands of times as much information.Sep 26 15:54
gde33|2they can hold roughly 40 000 times as much information as average peopleSep 26 15:55
gde33|2in the same timeSep 26 15:55
msb_I knew everything that was taught to me in math and science from reading books, long before it was taught.Sep 26 15:56
gde33|2Look for laughs at speed reading, thanks to simple training they are able to read faster and faster. It goes so fast eventually that it seems a hoax.Sep 26 15:56
gde33|2Why don’t we teach this? If there is any reason it must be some pseudo academic clap trap riddled with lack of expertise about the fields.Sep 26 15:56
gde33|2We’ve all seen them, people who know nothing about a topic but declare themselves an expert on why it cant work.Sep 26 15:57
gde33|2How about a diet that contains the necessary resources to actually build a brain? There are no real world examples of building something without the necessary materials.Sep 26 15:57
gde33|2As we have phones and internet, teachers can be there for us when we need them. I imagine the right to study at home can be earned. If you fail the trials for some reason you have to show up at school every day of the week until the next trial.Sep 26 15:57
gde33|2slap some numbers on itSep 26 15:58
gde33|2Above 16 or so we can start paying people for getting educated depending on market demand for their field, as they get older the payments can increase to a decent living wage for good performance (slackers get a bit less) Then at some point a real job should be easy to find where one earns more and doesn’t have to work as hard. If people want to stay in school we can gradually turn them into teachers or homework assistants.Sep 26 15:58
gde33|2I for one look forwards to a conversation with average people that involves more than just last weeks media propaganda, drugs, alcohol, football, video games, movies, sex, financial drama and 1000 variations of how much [their] life sucks.Sep 26 15:59
gde33|2in short: We should turn education into a paid occupationSep 26 16:00
gde33|2no work > back to schoolSep 26 16:01
msb_gde33|2: Technology has advanced to the point even now when there are probably not enough jobs for everyone, even as teachers.  Certainly not at 40 hours/week.  But paid education would certainly result in people leading more creative lives than most do today.Sep 26 16:02
gde33|2in 20 years you have an economy so far ahead of everyone else that it seems like they live in the stone ageSep 26 16:03
gde33|2Public discourse, the media, politics, the internet, it will all transform beyond recognition.Sep 26 16:03
msb_Actually, people broadcasting interesting and creative stuff via the Internet is a whole new occupation, that would be very good for society.Sep 26 16:04
gde33|2with enough education, if you have some idea or an opinion about something you can submit it to a peer reviewed journalSep 26 16:04
msb_We already have a lot of it in Youtube.Sep 26 16:04
gde33|2it is all tailored for the great unwashedSep 26 16:04
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msb_What is?Sep 26 16:05
gde33|2It is not by magic that average men bussy themselves with stupid topics, the media is essentially the enemy of education.Sep 26 16:05
gde33|2Knowingly or not their goal is to keep people dumb so that they can translate things written by professionals into dumb language and sell products in the process. Sep 26 16:05
msb_Yes, the commercial media is.  But youtube has lots of good stuff if you look for it,.Sep 26 16:06
gde33|2Opinion journalism by nature hates scrutiny.Sep 26 16:06
gde33|2Making popular videos are like skilled journalism, it successfully appeals to the most primitive of emotions to keep the audience as broad as possible.Sep 26 16:06
gde33|2*is likeSep 26 16:07
gde33|2You can’t do much inside the format beyond sensationalism, there is no step by step agenda to teach you anything. Sep 26 16:07
gde33|2Every page is page 1Sep 26 16:07
gde33|2You are learning about things by reading articles but any knowledge that doesn’t serve you is part of the problem not part of the solution.Sep 26 16:07
gde33|2If everyone has a higher skill level and public discours bussies it self with the sciences and other skolarly topics the media has no choice but to follow.Sep 26 16:08
gde33|2no more "I'm not a scientist but..." type of emo appealsSep 26 16:08
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msb_There are many good videos in youtube that are made to communicate particular important information, not to appeal to lowest-common-denominator audience.Sep 26 16:09
gde33|2I know, I'm thinking to bring the average viewer up to that levelSep 26 16:09
gde33|2look how gaming eclipses all other topicsSep 26 16:10
gde33|2videos with hundreds of millions of views with some guy playing pacman in itSep 26 16:10
gde33|2like apesSep 26 16:10
gde33|2no, worse than apesSep 26 16:10
gde33|2lolSep 26 16:10
gde33|2the viewers made it into the new normalSep 26 16:11
MinceRtechnically, we're all apes :>Sep 26 16:11
gde33|290% ape 10% pig Sep 26 16:11
msb_Paying people to learn is a good idea.  And some people will light up and find that they're being paid for learning something they really enjoy!Sep 26 16:12
MinceR50% man 50% bear 50% pigSep 26 16:12
gde33|2its like you have a giant network of 8 billion supper computers then you use it to watch porn on all screensSep 26 16:12
gde33|2msb_: it is more the same now but it use to be that in the US a drivers licence was normal while here everyone had a bicycleSep 26 16:13
gde33|2not having a licence in the US was seriously missing outSep 26 16:13
gde33|2it was not normalSep 26 16:13
gde33|2we can do that with all types of expertiseSep 26 16:14
gde33|2if we teach everyone assembly those who dont know it will feel they are missing outSep 26 16:14
gde33|2or take how most people can find countries on the map nowadaysSep 26 16:15
gde33|2it wasn't always like thatSep 26 16:15
gde33|2it use to be perfectly acceptable if you knew only your own country by name and those next to itSep 26 16:15
gde33|2hah, do you remember when interface testing had people sitting there gazing at the screen?Sep 26 16:17
gde33|2not clicking anythingSep 26 16:17
gde33|2did you ever see that?Sep 26 16:17
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cubexyzsee Paterson Vs EvansSep 26 16:17
cubexyzlawsuit dismissedSep 26 16:17
cubexyzDigital Research should have suedSep 26 16:18
cubexyzPaterson is still talking about it to this day'Sep 26 16:19
gde33|2cubexyz: link?Sep 26 16:19
cubexyzhttp://dosmandrivel.blogspot.com/2007/08/is-dos-rip-off-of-cpm.htmlSep 26 16:19
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cubexyzKildall fought back with DR-DOSSep 26 16:22
cubexyzsort of copying the copierSep 26 16:22
MinceRwhich didn't workSep 26 16:23
msb_gde33|2: I did contract programming at a company where the head of QA was a very intelligent and personable woman, who was reprimanded when she found serious flaws in the software UI.Sep 26 16:23
MinceR"stop finding bugs!"Sep 26 16:23
gde33|2cubexyz: before that people would write their own tools, not sure if standardisation was such a great ideaSep 26 16:23
gde33|2msb_: hahaSep 26 16:23
msb_In fact, I think she was demoted.Sep 26 16:23
gde33|2today no one gets uiSep 26 16:24
gde33|2I have a vague clue how it should work but not much experienceSep 26 16:24
MinceRa few people do but they don't have much powerSep 26 16:24
MinceRunix largely got it rightSep 26 16:24
gde33|2not at allSep 26 16:24
cubexyzMinceR, because of dirty tricks like the AARD codeSep 26 16:25
gde33|2if you have to read any documentation the UI stinksSep 26 16:25
cubexyzI can't remember having any problems with straight DR-DOSSep 26 16:25
msb_Unix/Linux man pages need a lot more examples.Sep 26 16:25
gde33|2its gawd awefulSep 26 16:26
gde33|2calling it man is a mistake beyond excusesSep 26 16:26
gde33|2the word man was already usedSep 26 16:27
MinceR:)Sep 26 16:27
MinceRit saves you from typing 3 more letters thoughSep 26 16:27
cubexyzunix commands were crypticSep 26 16:27
cubexyzfor faster typingSep 26 16:27
MinceRpeople shouldn't be so afraid to learnSep 26 16:27
gde33|2adding a learning curve to finding the instruction manual???!?!?Sep 26 16:27
MinceR"The only intuitive interface is the nipple. After that, it's all learned."Sep 26 16:28
gde33|2you have very limited ability to learn, this should not be wasted on bullshitSep 26 16:28
cubexyzman is really just a script that calls nroffSep 26 16:28
gde33|2a term like nroff also doesn't explain what it doesSep 26 16:28
MinceRgde33|2: put a pointer in the motd, then :)Sep 26 16:28
gde33|2hipster bullshitSep 26 16:28
cubexyznroff is new roffSep 26 16:29
MinceRnroff means "new roff"Sep 26 16:29
cubexyzright :)Sep 26 16:29
gde33|2yes asdf fds wasfh weehghha 911 911Sep 26 16:29
MinceRroff was named after runoffSep 26 16:29
gde33|2roflSep 26 16:29
MinceR(which was a multics program)Sep 26 16:29
gde33|2what kind of tics?Sep 26 16:29
gde33|2things get progressively worse by using existing words to mean new thingsSep 26 16:30
gde33|2like object and function etc etc etcSep 26 16:30
gde33|2soon you wont be able to say anything without sounding confused about the latest hipsterismSep 26 16:30
gde33|2hipsteriaSep 26 16:30
MinceRgde33|2: Multiplexed Information and Computing ServiceSep 26 16:30
MinceRmost of the time new things are named using existing wordsSep 26 16:31
gde33|2hyped-up text marketing languageSep 26 16:31
MinceRand if they weren't, you'd be even more confusedSep 26 16:31
MinceRhypercomplicated text mashing languageSep 26 16:31
gde33|2then get adverbs made out of adverbsSep 26 16:31
gde33|2we should take an unwashed noob, you give him something like vim then wait until he writes his first programSep 26 16:32
cubexyzwhat came before vi and nroff was even harder to understandSep 26 16:32
gde33|2it is all so terribleSep 26 16:33
msb_Finding a Unix command to perform a particular function, and getting examples for commands, can now be done by means of Google search.Sep 26 16:33
gde33|2like computers are some alien planetSep 26 16:33
gde33|2msb_: oh that use to be trueSep 26 16:33
cubexyzin the PDP-7 era there were all sorts of severe limitationsSep 26 16:34
MinceRyou could also try aproposSep 26 16:34
msb_That makes it not alien and terrible.Sep 26 16:34
gde33|2nowadays google will return some multinational homepage regardless of querySep 26 16:34
cubexyzsome of that carried over to PDP-11 Unix and to today's Linux/BSDSep 26 16:34
msb_apropos doesn't always find what you want.  It's based on info in the man pages.Sep 26 16:35
gde33|2I have no words for how bad things are, the spec is the tutorial nowadaysSep 26 16:35
cubexyzbad compared to what?Sep 26 16:35
cubexyzcomputers are easier to use now than ever beforeSep 26 16:35
gde33|2what it should be, the user should feel empowred not stupidSep 26 16:35
XFaCEyo msb_ Sep 26 16:36
XFaCEI know youave have a lot of opinions on a lot of issuesSep 26 16:36
XFaCEbut I just have to knowSep 26 16:36
XFaCEmsb_: What happened to Andy Kaufman after 1984?Sep 26 16:36
gde33|2cubexyz: imagine calling a plumber but having to read a manual before you can interface with him about the issueSep 26 16:37
gde33|2lolSep 26 16:37
cubexyzKaufman diedSep 26 16:37
cubexyzcancer I thinkSep 26 16:37
msb_gde33|2: My experience is very different from yours.  Man pages + google + howtos + IRC,if necessary, provide very good information.Sep 26 16:37
gde33|2msb_: you shouldn't need any of thatSep 26 16:37
cubexyzLung CancerSep 26 16:38
msb_gde33|2: Don't should on yourself.Sep 26 16:38
gde33|2msb_: we are in the day and age of watson type of computersSep 26 16:38
cubexyzeverything has to be learnedSep 26 16:38
cubexyzno one is born with skillsSep 26 16:38
gde33|2oh but we areSep 26 16:38
msb_XFaCE: I know nothing of Kaufman.Sep 26 16:39
gde33|2we can take in massive amounts of spatial data with our eyesSep 26 16:39
cubexyzif I was to write an operating system I'd probably gravitate to something like UnixSep 26 16:39
gde33|2all human languages use the same words strongly suggesting their meaning is hardwiredSep 26 16:40
MinceRhuh?Sep 26 16:40
msb_The resources I listed work together very well, and I forgot wikipedia.Sep 26 16:40
cubexyzMinceR, does Hungarian look anything like English? :)Sep 26 16:40
MinceRgde33|2: you do realize there are languages outside the indo-european family, right?Sep 26 16:40
MinceRcubexyz: noSep 26 16:40
cubexyzplus there's APL :)Sep 26 16:41
gde33|2MinceR: of course, they all talk about the same things using almost the same termsSep 26 16:41
MinceRhungarian is a uralic language, english is an indo-european languageSep 26 16:41
cubexyzI'm sure you'd love my old APL programSep 26 16:42
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/old-apl.txtSep 26 16:42
gde33|2you even have religions trying to map their father, mother, brother, sister onto teh brains :PSep 26 16:43
MinceRwow, it fits in 7bit asciiSep 26 16:43
cubexyzyes... APL for PDP-11 UnixSep 26 16:43
cubexyzold styleSep 26 16:43
cubexyzso no, we don't have star trek style computers you can talk toSep 26 16:44
MinceRwell, we do have computers you can talk toSep 26 16:46
MinceRbut they just relay your words to the nsaSep 26 16:46
cubexyzhahaSep 26 16:46
MinceRand your computer gets told what to doSep 26 16:46
cubexyzdon't get me wrong, computers do have short comingsSep 26 16:47
cubexyzno doubt about thatSep 26 16:47
XFaCEEspiranto timeSep 26 16:49
MinceRaspirantoSep 26 16:50
cubexyzit would be nice if you could say "Computer open word processor"Sep 26 16:50
cubexyzor "Computer close firefox"Sep 26 16:50
XFaCEumSep 26 16:51
MinceRhttps://youtu.be/yJD1Iwy5lUY?t=31sSep 26 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | If Google Was A Guy (Part 3) - YouTubeSep 26 16:51
MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y_Jp6PxsSQSep 26 16:51
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cubexyzis this another BSOD video?Sep 26 16:52
MinceRnoSep 26 16:52
cubexyzhahahaSep 26 16:52
MinceRsomewhat related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oBJXdegv7sSep 26 16:54
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msb_XFaCE: Sorry, I didn't mean to be rude to you.  But I don't know anything about Andy Kaufman.Sep 26 16:55
XFaCEit's okSep 26 16:55
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cubexyzMinceR was rightSep 26 17:10
cubexyzthe voice recognition software was so crap using the keyboard is a million times betterSep 26 17:10
MinceR:)Sep 26 17:13
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DaemonFCJ. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Sep 26 18:18
DaemonFCRepublicans are so pro-life that they elected George W. Bush, which killed about a million and a half people whose only crime was being in the way of our bombs and bullets.Sep 26 18:18
DaemonFCIn any universe where justice was served, Dick and Bush would have been sent to the gallows already.Sep 26 18:18
DaemonFCSome people have called for President Obama to pardon them, which would imply that a crime had been committed, but I don't want to see him pardon them as long as there is any chance of them being arrested and tried for war crimes, anywhere.Sep 26 18:18
DaemonFCOur former policy was that we never stop pursuing war criminals. There's even still a Nazi prison camp guard here and there in their 90s that we're trying to get. We KNOW where Bush and Dick are!Sep 26 18:18
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cubexyzanother sham ad... "you need to fix windows errors now"Sep 26 19:47
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/sham-windows-ad-2015.pngSep 26 19:50
XRevan86cubexyz: Old as world.Sep 26 19:51
XRevan86cubexyz: You're still using Google.Sep 26 19:52
cubexyzforce of habitSep 26 19:52
cubexyzthey could at least look at the user agent before they spam me with windows adsSep 26 19:54
XRevan86cubexyz: https://addons.mozilla.org/eo/firefox/addon/startpage-privacy-search-enginSep 26 19:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-addons.mozilla.org | Startpage Privacy Search Engine :: Add-ons for Firefox [ http://ur1.ca/nv3gk ]Sep 26 19:56
cubexyzyes, I have that :)Sep 26 19:57
XRevan86cubexyz: And yet…Sep 26 19:57
cubexyzok, startpage is at the top nowSep 26 20:00
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XRevan86New Doctor Who episode. Finally.Sep 26 21:12
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Parsix GNU/Linux 8.5 (Atticus) Announced, ItSep 26 21:53
TweetTuxMachines                 Will be Based on GNOME 3.18Sep 26 21:53
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/NBMsWKu8l5 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 26 21:53
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nv3ztSep 26 21:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Parsix GNU/Linux 8.5 (Atticus) Announced, It Will be Based on GNOME 3.18 | Tux MachinesSep 26 21:53
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__martin__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYKFcwrHmi0 Sep 20 00:09
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     How Many Smart Devices Running Linux Do YouSep 20 11:29
TweetTuxMachines                 Have in Your Home? http://t.co/Bdu3OYMa45Sep 20 11:29
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Sep 20 11:29
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntsuaSep 20 11:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     How Many Smart Devices Running Linux Do YouSep 20 11:30
TweetTuxMachines                 Have in Your Home? http://t.co/t3dIF895wZSep 20 11:30
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 20 11:30
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntsugSep 20 11:30
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Solus 1.0 Linux Operating System DubbedSep 20 11:30
TweetTuxMachines                 Shannon, to Arrive in OctoberSep 20 11:30
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/uZ6ruhvi0m (news.softpedia.com)Sep 20 11:30
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntsuhSep 20 11:30
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: KDE http://t.co/WEZ6n6887zSep 20 11:41
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 20 11:41
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntswoSep 20 11:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     New Is Here http://t.co/CxzBpI0klTSep 20 11:41
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 20 11:41
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntswpSep 20 11:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Solus 1.0 Linux Operating System DubbedSep 20 11:41
TweetTuxMachines                 Shannon, to Arrive in OctoberSep 20 11:41
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/eTE7AnQkus (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 20 11:41
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntswqSep 20 11:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNOME Boston Summit 2015 http://t.co/FRbO1f3nzeSep 20 11:42
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 20 11:42
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntswsSep 20 11:42
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Manjaro Linux KDE 15.09 Gets a Fourth ReleaseSep 21 10:06
TweetTuxMachines                 Candidate with KDE Plasma 5.4.1Sep 21 10:06
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/G5Pxs6bSLG (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 21 10:06
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nty05Sep 21 10:06
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Links 21/9/2015: Tizen 3.0, Red Hat's ResultsSep 21 10:06
TweetTuxMachines                 Coming http://t.co/RCHlSJDv6x (techrights.org)Sep 21 10:06
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nty06Sep 21 10:06
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 21/9/2015: Tizen 3.0, Red Hat's Results Coming...'Sep 21 10:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android Leftovers http://t.co/2VptsOPjqESep 21 10:09
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 21 10:09
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nty0iSep 21 10:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: KDE http://t.co/PkHmxeXCAESep 21 10:09
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 21 10:09
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nty0kSep 21 10:09
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Gaming Leftovers http://t.co/q0SQNJaRcnSep 21 10:21
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 21 10:21
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nty26Sep 21 10:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos http://t.co/uKe63ofb1VSep 21 10:21
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 21 10:21
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nty27Sep 21 10:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's leftovers http://t.co/nCArxPjyE7Sep 21 10:21
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 21 10:21
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nty29Sep 21 10:21
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*TweetTuxMachines @The_Code_Shirts retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 21/9/2015: Tizen 3.0, Red Hat's Results Coming...'Sep 21 11:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Valve's Steam Controller to Get Driver in LinuxSep 21 11:37
TweetTuxMachines                 Kernel 4.3 http://t.co/gSieofHRaeSep 21 11:37
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Sep 21 11:37
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntyanSep 21 11:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Valve's Steam Controller to Get Driver in LinuxSep 21 11:38
TweetTuxMachines                 Kernel 4.3 http://t.co/mYLjXTjWSaSep 21 11:38
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 21 11:38
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntyaoSep 21 11:38
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msb__http://www.rt.com/news/316056-skype-messaging-down-globe/Sep 21 14:49
msb__Skype communication app is down across the globeSep 21 14:50
XRevan86msb__: yaySep 21 14:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     [How To] Install Intel Graphics In Ubuntu 15.04Sep 21 15:02
TweetTuxMachines                 Or Derivatives Linux OS http://t.co/SwoHeRxGqUSep 21 15:02
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 21 15:02
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntz29Sep 21 15:02
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linus Torvalds Announces Linux Kernel 4.3 RC2,Sep 21 15:02
TweetTuxMachines                 Things Are Looking Fairly Calm and SmallSep 21 15:02
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/OO5NEBcUdv (linux.softpedia.com)Sep 21 15:02
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntz2bSep 21 15:02
msb__XRevan86: Actually, it's good for people to have a free global communication method, even if they are using microshit.Sep 21 15:04
msb__The advantage of skype is that it's very easy to use.Sep 21 15:05
XRevan86msb__: Big Google Brother also has an evil easy-to-use thing.Sep 21 15:06
cubexyzcommunication is best by text anywaysSep 21 15:06
cubexyzI don't see any need for a "videophone"Sep 21 15:07
msb__why?Sep 21 15:07
msb__but audio phone is goodSep 21 15:07
msb__It makes people feel more in contact.Sep 21 15:07
cubexyzwhen one is composing text there is more thought put into itSep 21 15:08
cubexyza lot of people ignore their phones Sep 21 15:09
cubexyzbut they will read their emailsSep 21 15:10
cubexyztelemarketing has largely ruined the telephoneSep 21 15:10
msb__One could just as well say that spam has ruined email.Sep 21 15:11
msb__People need to make human contact.Sep 21 15:11
cubexyzthat's a fair point, although gmail has a pretty good spam filterSep 21 15:11
XRevan86One could just as well say that spamassassin saved email :).Sep 21 15:12
msb__I'm starting to realize that the associative/emotional mind is extremely important in achieving human unity and peace.Sep 21 15:12
msb__Skype is still down.  I just tried it.  CanSep 21 15:13
msb__'t log in.Sep 21 15:13
XRevan86msb__: I didn't know you have Skype.Sep 21 15:13
msb__It works with a pulseaudio emulator called apulse.Sep 21 15:13
XRevan86msb__: Yes, it does. Still.Sep 21 15:14
cubexyzMicrosoft acquired skype, that kind of ruins it for meSep 21 15:15
msb__I can understand how  you would feel that way.  I prefer to use IHU with Linux users.Sep 21 15:15
msb__Have you tried it?  Use the "static" one:  http://ihu.sourceforge.net/download.htmlSep 21 15:19
XRevan86msb__: I obviously did %).Sep 21 15:20
msb__XRevan86: updated it from qt3 to qt4Sep 21 15:20
msb__cubexyz: please install it and we'll try talkingSep 21 15:21
XRevan86msb__: Why not WebRTC?Sep 21 15:22
msb__cubexyz: are you there?Sep 21 15:46
msb__cubexyz: are you there?Sep 21 15:52
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msb__cubexyz: are you there?Sep 21 16:32
MinceR>it's good for people to have their computers join another botnetSep 21 16:41
MinceRwhat am i readingSep 21 16:42
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msb__An old grandfather told his grandson: My son, there is a battle Sep 21 16:52
msb__between two wolves inside us all. One is evil. It is anger, Sep 21 16:52
msb__jealousy, greed, and resentment. The other is good. It is joy, Sep 21 16:52
msb__love, hope, humility, kindness, empathy, and bravery.Sep 21 16:52
msb__The boy thought about it, and asked, Grandfather, which wolf wins?Sep 21 16:52
msb__The old man quietly replied, The one you feed.Sep 21 16:52
MinceRnot even one wolf fits inside the human body :>Sep 21 16:52
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jmatoswhat the hell was that last article accusing MSFT of violating the GPL for not releasing the source for Azure's backend?Sep 21 17:00
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jmatosThe GPL only requires distributing the source to whomever you distribute binaries to.Sep 21 17:01
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Microsoft Claims to Have Built ‘Windows’ on TopSep 21 17:02
TweetTuxMachines                 of Linux, But Where is the Source Code (GPL)?Sep 21 17:02
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/0OGasFlfzW (techrights.org)Sep 21 17:02
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntzpvSep 21 17:02
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linus Torvalds Announces Linux Kernel 4.3 RC2,Sep 21 17:02
TweetTuxMachines                 Things Are Looking Fairly Calm and SmallSep 21 17:02
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/J3kZgfA1EL (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 21 17:02
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntzpwSep 21 17:02
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jmatosDid I misread the article somehow, or was it really about software running on MSFT servers? Because they're under no obligation to disclose any of it.Sep 21 17:07
jmatosOf it were AGPL, they would be, but not GPL.Sep 21 17:07
jmatos*ifSep 21 17:07
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights http://t.co/6EgHmhTxunSep 21 23:40
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 21 23:40
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    Sep 21 23:40
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nu1j1Sep 21 23:40
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DaemonFCI apologize for the random disconnects and whatnot. Comcast sucks.Sep 22 00:16
DaemonFCI hope to be rid of them in a week or two when I move.Sep 22 00:16
DaemonFCI canceled the tech appointment on Saturday because I'm through watching them walk around with their dick in their hand and then blame me for not renting their piece of shit equipment.Sep 22 00:17
DaemonFCMostly old folks live out here so they probably won't get anyone else on the hook when I leave.Sep 22 00:17
DaemonFCI'd switch from Comcast to Frontier here in Huntington if I didn't think I'd be moving very soon. Apparently, Frontier has old copper DSL that's up to 20 Mbps now. I never had a problem with copper DSL and not getting the speed I was paying for. I've mainly stuck to Comcast even though they're lousy because they basically buy you off to stay with them. I've been on some sort of promo for four years now.Sep 22 00:20
DaemonFCThey're like a slum landlord that doesn't fix anything but only charges you $60 a week in rent. Things fall apart, the rent gets cheaper. Eventually, they hope to sell it off to someone else to get it torn down.Sep 22 00:20
DaemonFCTheir merger offer to the FCC to approve the TimeWarner Cable deal was that Comcast would spin off their rural customers into a new company. This was supposed to solve the problem of one fewer broadband ISP in America, but it would have really just been another huge victory for Comcast. They unload all of the customers who make them less profit, and a bunch of aging dilapidated cable infrastructure that hasn't been up to snuff in years and Sep 22 00:23
DaemonFCwould cost a fortune to fix, and then keep all of the profitable big cities.Sep 22 00:23
DaemonFCComcast and other ISPs have also created a WiFi congestion problem in America by sending out billions of 2.4 Ghz band routers that mess each other up when there are too many in one area.Sep 22 00:26
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DaemonFCXFINITY - Ryan, I responded to your PM. Get back to me when you are able. Thanks. -FrankSep 22 00:44
DaemonFCRyan Farmer - Well, that ended with the "blame the customer-owned equipment instead of the power fluctuations on Comcast's line that the technician told me about personally" resolution. Canceled the tech appointment on Saturday. I'm moving soon. Let the next hostage sort this out.Sep 22 00:44
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DaemonFC`Volkswagon programmed their cars to figure out when an emissions inspection was being conducted, and to alter the way the engine operated to limit smog. When the inspection was over, the car would emit up to 40 times the legal amount of smog.Sep 22 00:51
DaemonFC`http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/feds-open-criminal-probe-of-volkswagens-emissions-violations/ar-AAeyZt3Sep 22 00:51
MinceRclassySep 22 00:51
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MinceRapparently only the japanese know how to make cars anymoreSep 22 00:52
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DaemonFC`They got away (for a while) with insisting that the emissions were due to technical glitches because the government didn't have access to the source code of the software that controls the emissions system.Sep 22 00:55
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msb_http://www.riseearth.com/2014/09/the-unstoppable-awakening-of-humanity.htmlSep 22 07:14
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msb_I guess  your wasps are on the ground.  You're not expecting the Comcast guy to kill them are you?  That's the homeowner's responsibility.  Their's is just to fix your service.Sep 22 07:57
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MinceRhttps://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12011156_942057732516669_6816384571148307362_n.jpg?oh=ad7da4a4a65a37ca5dc5b7e686dc47fb&oe=569EFAFBSep 22 16:39
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cubexyzmy own stats for web browsers:Sep 23 10:24
cubexyzFirefox 40%Sep 23 10:24
cubexyzChrome 30%Sep 23 10:24
cubexyzIE 12%Sep 23 10:24
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Bitcoin micropayments device runs Linux onSep 23 10:55
TweetTuxMachines                 Raspberry Pi http://t.co/C09SdIquHzSep 23 10:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Bitcoin micropayments device runs Linux on Raspberry Pi ·  LinuxGizmos.comSep 23 10:55
TweetTuxMachines                 (linuxgizmos.com)Sep 23 10:55
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nue6pSep 23 10:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux doesn't get in my waySep 23 10:56
TweetTuxMachines                  http://t.co/IwWCaaBn5N (opensource.com)Sep 23 10:56
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nue6qSep 23 10:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com | Chris Hermansen's Linux story | Opensource.comSep 23 10:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     m23 Rock 15.2 Linux Deployment Tool SupportsSep 23 10:56
TweetTuxMachines                 Debian 8, Linux Mint 17.2, and systemdSep 23 10:56
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/A6SahM0WdS (news.softpedia.com)Sep 23 10:56
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nue6rSep 23 10:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | m23 Rock 15.2 Linux Deployment Tool Supports Debian 8, Linux Mint 17.2, and systemd - SoftpediaSep 23 10:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Bitcoin micropayments device runs Linux onSep 23 10:56
TweetTuxMachines                 Raspberry Pi http://t.co/kOPblOceL0Sep 23 10:56
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 10:56
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nue6sSep 23 10:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Bitcoin micropayments device runs Linux on Raspberry Pi | Tux MachinesSep 23 10:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Updates to Firefox Accounts and Firefox HelloSep 23 10:56
TweetTuxMachines                 Beta http://t.co/vwZS4fdfAWSep 23 10:56
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 10:56
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nue6tSep 23 10:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Updates to Firefox Accounts and Firefox Hello Beta | Tux MachinesSep 23 10:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux doesn't get in my waySep 23 10:56
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/YmXqcMPHT9 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 10:56
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nue6uSep 23 10:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux doesn't get in my way | Tux MachinesSep 23 10:56
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     "I purchased the original MIPS Creator CI20 andSep 23 12:18
TweetTuxMachines                 the Raspberry Pi 2 on their release." Sep 23 12:18
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/Lpxfwgrg4y (gofk.tumblr.com)Sep 23 12:18
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuehvSep 23 12:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gofk.tumblr.com | gofk Blog — Creator CI20 - Debian 8 beta image I purchased...Sep 23 12:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Edward Snowden's Favorite Anonymous Live CD,Sep 23 12:18
TweetTuxMachines                 Tails, Updates Tor Browser and I2PSep 23 12:18
TweetTuxMachines                  http://t.co/djDPGL5Pan (linux.softpedia.com)Sep 23 12:18
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuehwSep 23 12:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Edward Snowden's Favorite Anonymous Live CD, Tails, Updates Tor Browser and I2P - SoftpediaSep 23 12:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     In the Seed of a Raspberry Is the Future ofSep 23 12:18
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux http://t.co/y73kWx4uPG (fossforce.com)Sep 23 12:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | In the Seed of a Raspberry Is the Future of Linux | FOSS ForceSep 23 12:18
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuehySep 23 12:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Edward Snowden's Favorite Anonymous Live CD,Sep 23 12:19
TweetTuxMachines                 Tails, Updates Tor Browser and I2PSep 23 12:19
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/rHslv3gucI (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 12:19
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuehzSep 23 12:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Edward Snowden's Favorite Anonymous Live CD, Tails, Updates Tor Browser and I2P | Tux MachinesSep 23 12:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     In the Seed of a Raspberry Is the Future ofSep 23 12:19
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux http://t.co/b9oZwfKTMQSep 23 12:19
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 12:19
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuei0Sep 23 12:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     How to earn respect as a leaderSep 23 12:19
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/LPxhA6wvRv (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 12:19
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuei1Sep 23 12:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | In the Seed of a Raspberry Is the Future of Linux | Tux MachinesSep 23 12:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to earn respect as a leader | Tux MachinesSep 23 12:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos http://t.co/Fklbm2YjjFSep 23 12:41
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 12:41
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nueliSep 23 12:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesSep 23 12:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights http://t.co/FHTctgRyFtSep 23 12:41
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 12:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesSep 23 12:41
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nueljSep 23 12:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tiny µQseven module runs Android and Linux onSep 23 12:41
TweetTuxMachines                 i.MX6 http://t.co/HK4H1F4tCI (linuxgizmos.com)Sep 23 12:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Tiny µQseven module runs Android and Linux on i.MX6 ·  LinuxGizmos.comSep 23 12:41
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuelkSep 23 12:41
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     SOMA, Frictional Games Latest Horror &Sep 23 13:37
TweetTuxMachines                 Adventure Game Released For Linux, Some InitialSep 23 13:37
TweetTuxMachines                 Thoughts http://t.co/nYevMOeWCwSep 23 13:37
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.gamingonlinux.com)Sep 23 13:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | SOMA, Frictional Games Latest Horror & Adventure Game Released For Linux, Some Initial Thoughts | GamingOnLinuxSep 23 13:37
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nueudSep 23 13:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Yes, the FCC might ban your operating systemSep 23 13:37
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/oJ0XpzWBZc (prpl.works)Sep 23 13:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-prpl.works | Yes, the FCC might ban your operating system | prpl.worksSep 23 13:37
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nueueSep 23 13:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Kernel 4.2.1 Is Out for Grabs with ARM,Sep 23 13:37
TweetTuxMachines                 Intel i915, and XFS ImprovementsSep 23 13:37
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/Nmg8Ia1kVD (news.softpedia.com)Sep 23 13:37
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nueufSep 23 13:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 4.2.1 Is Out for Grabs with ARM, Intel i915, and XFS Improvements - SoftpediaSep 23 13:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tiny µQseven module runs Android and Linux onSep 23 13:38
TweetTuxMachines                 i.MX6 http://t.co/iHH955XSDySep 23 13:38
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 13:38
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nueuhSep 23 13:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tiny µQseven module runs Android and Linux on i.MX6 | Tux MachinesSep 23 13:38
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Gaming Leftovers http://t.co/OmytM0h3ZUSep 23 13:38
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 13:38
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nueuiSep 23 13:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Gaming Leftovers | Tux MachinesSep 23 13:38
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Upload Photos On Flickr With Frogr FlickrSep 23 13:38
TweetTuxMachines                 Upload Client For Linux http://t.co/mz8Y8PvwCdSep 23 13:38
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 13:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Upload Photos On Flickr With Frogr Flickr Upload Client For Linux | Tux MachinesSep 23 13:38
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nueujSep 23 13:38
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Yes, the FCC might ban your operating systemSep 23 13:38
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/Z8TsXLMnv6 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 13:38
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nueukSep 23 13:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Yes, the FCC might ban your operating system | Tux MachinesSep 23 13:38
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Kernel Releases http://t.co/uPlMrPdeqQSep 23 14:47
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 14:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel Releases | Tux MachinesSep 23 14:47
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuf4nSep 23 14:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights http://t.co/FHTctgRyFtSep 23 14:47
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 14:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesSep 23 14:47
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    Sep 23 14:47
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuf1bSep 23 14:47
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MinceRhttp://www.commitstrip.com/en/2015/09/22/software-worth-billions/Sep 23 15:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commitstrip.com | Software worth billions… | CommitStrip - Blog relating the daily life of web agencies developers [ http://ur1.ca/nufen ]Sep 23 15:36
msb_Drug whose price was raised from $13 to $750 per pill costs $1/pill to produce.Sep 23 15:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tizen 2.4 beta SDK IntroductionSep 23 16:04
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/pzoD88kzwa (www.tizenexperts.com)Sep 23 16:04
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nufjtSep 23 16:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | [Video] Tizen 2.4 beta SDK Introduction - Tizen ExpertsSep 23 16:04
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Touch OTA-7 Delayed for October 19Sep 23 16:04
TweetTuxMachines                 Because of Chinese Golden WeekSep 23 16:04
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/DX1KSN66TC (news.softpedia.com)Sep 23 16:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch OTA-7 Delayed for October 19 Because of Chinese Golden Week - SoftpediaSep 23 16:04
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nufjuSep 23 16:04
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     "it's highly likely that Volkswagen vehiclesSep 23 16:25
TweetTuxMachines                 have Linux in them." http://t.co/VgMRV6fXFFSep 23 16:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ebb.org | The EPA Deserves Software Freedom, Too - Bradley M. Kuhn ( Brad ) ( bkuhn )Sep 23 16:25
TweetTuxMachines                 (ebb.org)Sep 23 16:25
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nufoaSep 23 16:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tizen Releases http://t.co/9GXKvmBNqZSep 23 16:25
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 16:25
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nufobSep 23 16:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tizen Releases | Tux MachinesSep 23 16:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     OSS Leftovers http://t.co/30RsHFDX7qSep 23 16:25
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 16:25
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nufocSep 23 16:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OSS Leftovers | Tux MachinesSep 23 16:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Leftovers http://t.co/Wm5ekGG9GTSep 23 16:25
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 16:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Leftovers | Tux MachinesSep 23 16:25
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nufogSep 23 16:25
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Fedora 23 Beta and More http://t.co/7TUH6NBlmRSep 23 17:53
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 17:53
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nug6lSep 23 17:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora 23 Beta and More | Tux MachinesSep 23 17:53
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The EPA Deserves Software Freedom, TooSep 23 17:53
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/qzfpy385sB (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 17:53
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nug6mSep 23 17:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The EPA Deserves Software Freedom, Too | Tux MachinesSep 23 17:53
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos http://t.co/momWZltwWlSep 23 23:29
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 23:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesSep 23 23:29
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuhvpSep 23 23:29
*TweetTuxMachines @linuxaio favourited 'Linux AIO Announces an All-In-One ISO Image with...'Sep 23 23:29
*TweetTuxMachines @linuxaio favourited 'Linux AIO Announces an All-In-One ISO Image with...'Sep 24 00:03
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Changes at TechrightsSep 24 00:03
TweetTuxMachines                  http://t.co/otXgNzCxhs (techrights.org)Sep 24 00:03
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nui1jSep 24 00:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Changes at Techrights | TechrightsSep 24 00:03
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     7 years of Android: A painful journey to worldSep 24 00:03
TweetTuxMachines                 dominance http://t.co/BkniiGyvB7Sep 24 00:03
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.welivesecurity.com)Sep 24 00:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.welivesecurity.com | 7 years of Android: A painful journey to world dominanceSep 24 00:03
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nui1kSep 24 00:03
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tips for Improving the Linux Desktop SecuritySep 24 00:39
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/0Snw42821w (neurogadget.com)Sep 24 00:39
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nui82Sep 24 00:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-neurogadget.com | Tips for Improving the Linux Desktop Security - Neurogadget.comSep 24 00:39
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNOME 3.18 http://t.co/pluYdW3RjO (lwn.net)Sep 24 00:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lwn.net | GNOME 3.18 [LWN.net]Sep 24 00:39
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nui83Sep 24 00:39
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     7 years of Android: A painful journey to worldSep 24 00:39
TweetTuxMachines                 dominance http://t.co/gRXhw6uvA1Sep 24 00:39
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 24 00:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 7 years of Android: A painful journey to world dominance | Tux MachinesSep 24 00:39
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nui84Sep 24 00:39
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Being Thoughtful About FOSS HistorySep 24 01:23
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/yQHKBO2S7A (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 24 01:23
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuifjSep 24 01:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Being Thoughtful About FOSS History | Tux MachinesSep 24 01:23
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Security http://t.co/r2no3r77qRSep 24 01:24
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 24 01:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Security | Tux MachinesSep 24 01:24
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuifkSep 24 01:24
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNOME 3.18 and More http://t.co/yq6AprwlzwSep 24 01:24
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 24 01:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME 3.18 and More | Tux MachinesSep 24 01:24
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuiflSep 24 01:24
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Media Filled With Spin and Lies AmidSep 24 02:15
TweetTuxMachines                 Microsoft’s Admission of Internal Usage (andSep 24 02:15
TweetTuxMachines                 Modification) of GNU/LinuxSep 24 02:15
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/IRo0l6tfhP (techrights.org)Sep 24 02:15
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuiodSep 24 02:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Media Filled With Spin and Lies Amid Microsoft’s Admission of Internal Usage (and Modification) of GNU/Linux | TechrightsSep 24 02:15
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Video: GNOME 3.18 Released: Brings BigSep 24 02:19
TweetTuxMachines                 Improvements https://t.co/IRrwRWHAzvSep 24 02:19
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.gnome.org) announcement:Sep 24 02:19
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/EKuRysrD9p (permalink.gmane.org)Sep 24 02:19
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuiohSep 24 02:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnome.org | GNOME 3.18 Released: Brings Big Improvements – GNOMESep 24 02:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-permalink.gmane.org | NO TITLESep 24 02:20
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     KDE Apps 15.08.1 have landed in Kubuntu WilySep 24 02:23
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/OTxeo8lvfK (wire.kubuntu.org) dueSep 24 02:23
TweetTuxMachines                 out next month.Sep 24 02:23
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuipbSep 24 02:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wire.kubuntu.org | KDE Apps 15.08.1 have landed in Kubuntu Wily | Kubuntu WireSep 24 02:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Autodesk open sources Linux-based 3D printerSep 24 02:28
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/uHmQjmbhJK (linuxgizmos.com)Sep 24 02:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Autodesk open sources Linux-based 3D printer ·  LinuxGizmos.comSep 24 02:28
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuiqmSep 24 02:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tizen 2.4 Beta Software Test Program BeginsSep 24 02:29
TweetTuxMachines                 Roll Out in India http://t.co/VpBopbiqlDSep 24 02:29
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tizenexperts.com)Sep 24 02:29
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuiqnSep 24 02:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Making the switch from Windows to LinuxSep 24 02:29
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/LWRJKaNEn3 (freedompenguin.com)Sep 24 02:29
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuiqoSep 24 02:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freedompenguin.com | Making the switch from Windows to Linux - Freedom PenguinSep 24 02:29
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Victor Vran Action RPG Now Available DRM FreeSep 24 02:58
TweetTuxMachines                 For Linux On GOG https://t.co/sTWfehERkrSep 24 02:58
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.gamingonlinux.com)Sep 24 02:58
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuivpSep 24 02:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Victor Vran Action RPG Now Available DRM Free For Linux On GOG | GamingOnLinuxSep 24 02:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     What the future holds (or plans for GNOME 3.20)Sep 24 02:58
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/XSV5epUkWA (feaneron.com)Sep 24 02:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-feaneron.com | What the future holds (or plans for GNOME 3.20) | Georges StavracasSep 24 02:58
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuivqSep 24 02:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Making the switch from Windows to LinuxSep 24 02:58
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/xg8VjPcmyc (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 24 02:58
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuivsSep 24 02:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Making the switch from Windows to Linux | Tux MachinesSep 24 02:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Leftovers http://t.co/vLLLQdNy6QSep 24 02:58
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 24 02:58
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuivtSep 24 02:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Leftovers | Tux MachinesSep 24 02:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     FOSS Events http://t.co/lmKb6wkwRVSep 24 03:03
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 24 03:03
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuiwrSep 24 03:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | FOSS Events | Tux MachinesSep 24 03:03
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Programming News http://t.co/GWykXVYq2BSep 24 03:03
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 24 03:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming News | Tux MachinesSep 24 03:03
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuiwsSep 24 03:03
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Evolution of Apache HadoopSep 24 03:03
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/MYfR66Bfyl (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 24 03:03
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuiwtSep 24 03:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Evolution of Apache Hadoop | Tux MachinesSep 24 03:03
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__martin__eben moglen in nytimes!Sep 24 13:40
__martin__newspeak used term "secret code" instead of proprietary firmwareSep 24 13:41
__martin__http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/23/nyregion/volkswagens-diesel-fraud-makes-critic-of-secret-code-a-prophet.html?_r=1Sep 24 13:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/nulmi ]Sep 24 13:41
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__martin__they even mention SFLC thereSep 24 13:43
__martin__*well done*Sep 24 13:43
__martin__(=Sep 24 13:43
cubexyzpaid walled I assume?Sep 24 13:46
cubexyzok, happily not in this caseSep 24 13:47
cubexyzyes the volkswagen cheat was severeSep 24 13:48
cubexyzbut it also shows how crap the DMCA isSep 24 13:50
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat To Be First $2 Billion Open SourceSep 24 23:53
TweetTuxMachines                 Company http://t.co/Ru6d6x9bDhSep 24 23:53
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.informationweek.com)Sep 24 23:53
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nup7bSep 24 23:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.informationweek.com | Red Hat To Be First $2 Billion Open Source Company - InformationWeekSep 24 23:53
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     "a look at the Linux distro the ChineseSep 24 23:53
TweetTuxMachines                 government is hoping to replace Windows with"Sep 24 23:53
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/1klll7AFji (www.makeuseof.com)Sep 24 23:53
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nup7cSep 24 23:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.makeuseof.com | Happy Birthday Is Finally Public Domain, China's Official Linux Distro...[Tech News Digest]Sep 24 23:53
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Keeping your Linux system safeSep 24 23:53
TweetTuxMachines                  http://t.co/VJ2ds9dhik (opensource.com)Sep 24 23:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com | Protecting your Linux system | Opensource.comSep 24 23:53
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nup7dSep 24 23:53
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Alien: Isolation heading to Mac and Linux nextSep 25 00:11
TweetTuxMachines                 week http://t.co/aCGo6qwcWG (www.pcgamer.com)Sep 25 00:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcgamer.com | Alien: Isolation heading to Mac and Linux next week - PC GamerSep 25 00:11
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nupbfSep 25 00:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     NeoKylin is the Linux OS China built to lookSep 25 00:12
TweetTuxMachines                 like Windows XP http://t.co/1Id1DguIOWSep 25 00:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.co.uk | NeoKylin is the Linux OS China built to look like Windows XP | Ars Technica UKSep 25 00:12
TweetTuxMachines                 (arstechnica.co.uk)Sep 25 00:12
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nupbgSep 25 00:12
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Canonical Is Showing Off the Unity 8 GreeterSep 25 00:12
TweetTuxMachines                 Running on the Desktop http://t.co/aVsWg8fX21Sep 25 00:12
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Sep 25 00:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Canonical Is Showing Off the Unity 8 Greeter Running on the Desktop - SoftpediaSep 25 00:12
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nupbhSep 25 00:12
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat To Be First $2 Billion Open SourceSep 25 00:50
TweetTuxMachines                 Company http://t.co/HEFIhY9WdDSep 25 00:50
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 25 00:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat To Be First $2 Billion Open Source Company | Tux MachinesSep 25 00:50
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nupj0Sep 25 00:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     No, XFS won’t steal your moneySep 25 00:51
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/FC5fgXw1WY (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 25 00:51
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nupj1Sep 25 00:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | No, XFS won’t steal your money | Tux MachinesSep 25 00:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     NeoKylin is the Linux OS China built to lookSep 25 00:51
TweetTuxMachines                 like Windows XP http://t.co/6xJcGbElbTSep 25 00:51
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 25 00:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NeoKylin is the Linux OS China built to look like Windows XP | Tux MachinesSep 25 00:51
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nupj2Sep 25 00:51
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MinceRhttps://www.techdirt.com/blog/netneutrality/articles/20150922/12251832331/jeb-bush-proudly-promises-to-axe-net-neutrality-if-elected.shtmlSep 25 01:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techdirt.com | Jeb Bush Proudly Promises To Axe Net Neutrality If Elected | Techdirt [ http://ur1.ca/nupso ]Sep 25 01:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat To Be First $2 Billion Open SourceSep 25 01:48
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Company http://t.co/HEFIhY9WdDSep 25 01:48
TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi     (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 25 01:48
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today and Yesterday in TechrightsSep 25 01:48
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/ggIpQ4llDM (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 25 01:48
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuptlSep 25 01:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today and Yesterday in Techrights | Tux MachinesSep 25 01:48
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 15.10 Is Getting Some Pretty NiceSep 25 01:51
TweetTuxMachines                 Scrollbars http://t.co/4fjukPtylaSep 25 01:51
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Sep 25 01:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu 15.10 Is Getting Some Pretty Nice Scrollbars - SoftpediaSep 25 01:51
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nupucSep 25 01:51
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Could Ubuntu 15.10 be the end of the road forSep 25 01:52
TweetTuxMachines                 boring upgrades? http://t.co/N6NRPGkf4JSep 25 01:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techrepublic.com | Could Ubuntu 15.10 be the end of the road for boring upgrades? - TechRepublicSep 25 01:52
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.techrepublic.com)Sep 25 01:52
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nupudSep 25 01:52
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Aims to Be an OS with GreatSep 25 01:52
TweetTuxMachines                 Accessibility FeaturesSep 25 01:52
TweetTuxMachines                  http://t.co/qsj4fBiK2v (linux.softpedia.com)Sep 25 01:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Aims to Be an OS with Great Accessibility Features - SoftpediaSep 25 01:52
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nupueSep 25 01:52
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msb_http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/09/france-confirms-that-google-must-remove-search-results-globally-or-face-big-fines/Sep 25 01:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | France tells Google to remove search results globally, or face big fines | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/nupv7 ]Sep 25 01:56
MinceRis this "right to be forgotten" or "piracy"?Sep 25 01:56
msb_rtbfSep 25 01:56
msb_Are there any other real search engines, or just ones that hide your identity while they call google?Sep 25 01:58
MinceRixquick uses other search engines, ddg uses bìng (dressed up as yahoo)Sep 25 01:59
MinceRthey all suckSep 25 02:00
MinceRand google has started sucking harder recentlySep 25 02:00
msb_how?Sep 25 02:00
MinceRit's failing to find stuff i know existsSep 25 02:00
MinceRand usually i find it via ixquick or ddgSep 25 02:00
MinceRalso, they removed the + operator and they seem to be more likely to ignore the most important search termSep 25 02:01
msb_so they really are independent of googleSep 25 02:01
msb_I've seen it ignore the search term that I put firstSep 25 02:02
MinceRi'll try shuffling sometimeSep 25 02:02
msb_ixquick has an advanced search, ddg doesn't seem toSep 25 02:09
MinceRthe only thing i needed advanced search (as opposed to ordinary operators and quoting) was specifying the language of the page to seekSep 25 02:10
MinceR+forSep 25 02:11
MinceRi rarely do that, thoughSep 25 02:11
msb_How can France fine google if google just gets out of France (or the EU)?Sep 25 02:11
MinceRi don't knowSep 25 02:11
msb_what does +for do?Sep 25 02:12
MinceRi meant to say that the previous sentence should have the word "for" somewhereSep 25 02:12
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msb_Here's that horrible nuclear ramjet:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_PlutoSep 25 02:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Project Pluto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nuq0e ]Sep 25 02:29
MinceRhttps://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11218826_918747514866401_3690238546595148117_n.png?oh=0a0c015a1193fd755500b6370c209b21&oe=566A7EABSep 25 02:30
MinceR:)Sep 25 02:30
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Z-Wave Plus home automation hub runs Linux onSep 25 09:19
TweetTuxMachines                 Raspberry Pi http://t.co/2SBfiSrcrVSep 25 09:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Z-Wave Plus home automation hub runs Linux on Raspberry Pi ·  LinuxGizmos.comSep 25 09:19
TweetTuxMachines                 (linuxgizmos.com)Sep 25 09:19
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nus10Sep 25 09:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Fedora 23 Cinnamon previewSep 25 09:19
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/5zbOUd95l9 (linuxbsdos.com)Sep 25 09:19
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nus13Sep 25 09:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxbsdos.com | Fedora 23 Cinnamon preview | LinuxBSDos.comSep 25 09:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Valve Developer Asks Ubuntu Devs to Fix BugsSep 25 09:19
TweetTuxMachines                 with Steam ControllerSep 25 09:19
TweetTuxMachines                  http://t.co/5eYC8d9vdv (linux.softpedia.com)Sep 25 09:19
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nus14Sep 25 09:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Valve Developer Asks Ubuntu Devs to Fix Bugs with Steam Controller - SoftpediaSep 25 09:19
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TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    http://t.co/Y4BouirTN7 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 25 09:38
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    Sep 25 09:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today and Yesterday in Techrights | Tux MachinesSep 25 09:38
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nus1lSep 25 09:38
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     samsung further commits to its own linux basedSep 25 09:38
TweetTuxMachines                 OS http://t.co/3FRvRxnStPSep 25 09:38
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tizenexperts.com)Sep 25 09:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | Samsung further ramps up production of the upcoming Z3 - Tizen ExpertsSep 25 09:38
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nus4iSep 25 09:38
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Insurgency FPS Now Has The Linux Port On TheirSep 25 09:41
TweetTuxMachines                 Official Trello Todo ListSep 25 09:41
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/7Sm1nzfulA (www.gamingonlinux.com)Sep 25 09:41
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nus53Sep 25 09:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Insurgency FPS Now Has The Linux Port On Their Official Trello Todo List | GamingOnLinuxSep 25 09:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today and Yesterday in TechrightsSep 25 09:41
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    http://t.co/ggIpQ4llDM (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 25 09:41
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    Sep 25 09:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today and Yesterday in Techrights | Tux MachinesSep 25 09:41
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nus50Sep 25 09:41
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Google Celebrated 7th Android B-Day With NewSep 25 09:43
TweetTuxMachines                 Wallpapers http://t.co/NFiG5f4stxSep 25 09:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidheadlines.com | Google Celebrated 7th Android B-Day With New Wallpapers | Androidheadlines.comSep 25 09:43
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.androidheadlines.com)Sep 25 09:43
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nus5iSep 25 09:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     BlackBerry's Android phone will be known as theSep 25 09:44
TweetTuxMachines                 'Priv' http://t.co/CUSjTyTTa9Sep 25 09:44
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.engadget.com)Sep 25 09:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com | BlackBerry's Android phone will be known as the 'Priv'Sep 25 09:44
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nus5jSep 25 09:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Google Nexus 5X, 6P and Android 6 launch:Sep 25 09:44
TweetTuxMachines                 Everything we know about the 29 September eventSep 25 09:44
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/FJMgiE7VEu (www.ibtimes.co.uk)Sep 25 09:44
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/18LGpGxUT3 (www.pcadvisor.co.uk)Sep 25 09:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.co.uk | Google Nexus 5X, 6P and Android 6 launch: Everything we know about the 29 September eventSep 25 09:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcadvisor.co.uk | Android 6.0 Marshmallow due Tuesday - when will I get Android M? - New Product - PC AdvisorSep 25 09:44
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nus5kSep 25 09:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     16 reasons Android phones are better thanSep 25 10:24
TweetTuxMachines                 iPhones http://t.co/QZJV1I0WouSep 25 10:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com | Android Phones vs iPhone - Business InsiderSep 25 10:24
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.businessinsider.com)Sep 25 10:24
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nusf0Sep 25 10:24
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Valve Goes After Microsoft: You Don't Need toSep 25 10:43
TweetTuxMachines                 Ever Build a DirectX 12 GameSep 25 10:43
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/mQXm3FFQBo (news.softpedia.com)Sep 25 10:43
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nusjlSep 25 10:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Valve Goes After Microsoft: You Don't Need to Ever Build a DirectX 12 Game - SoftpediaSep 25 10:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Enlightenment 0.19.11 Desktop Environment forSep 25 10:43
TweetTuxMachines                 GNU/Linux Systems Fixes over 30 BugsSep 25 10:43
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/50QsaPyKa7 (news.softpedia.com)Sep 25 10:43
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nusjmSep 25 10:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Enlightenment 0.19.11 Desktop Environment for GNU/Linux Systems Fixes over 30 Bugs - SoftpediaSep 25 10:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     General Electric and Canonical Working on a NewSep 25 10:44
TweetTuxMachines                 Open-Source IoT Standard http://t.co/pY3vzWI5bCSep 25 10:44
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Sep 25 10:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | General Electric and Canonical Working on a New Open-Source IoT Standard - SoftpediaSep 25 10:44
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nusjnSep 25 10:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Chromebooks, Linux, and Lenovo Sep 25 10:47
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/hru77My98kSep 25 10:47
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.russellhollander.com)Sep 25 10:47
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuskhSep 25 10:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.russellhollander.com | Chromebooks, Linux, and Lenovo | Russell HollanderSep 25 10:47
*TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi retweeted @tuxmachines: 'General Electric and Canonical Working on a New...'Sep 25 10:47
TweetTuxMachines@RamiSilawi      @tuxmachines just reposted that on mySep 25 11:03
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TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuso2Sep 25 11:03
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos http://t.co/z4VtgwbiCISep 25 11:39
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TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nusvqSep 25 11:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesSep 25 11:39
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Enlightenment 0.19.11 Desktop Environment forSep 25 11:44
TweetTuxMachines                 GNU/Linux Systems Fixes over 30 BugsSep 25 11:44
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/VwLObyNOG9 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 25 11:44
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuswvSep 25 11:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Enlightenment 0.19.11 Desktop Environment for GNU/Linux Systems Fixes over 30 Bugs | Tux MachinesSep 25 11:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     General Electric and Canonical Working on a NewSep 25 11:44
TweetTuxMachines                 Open-Source IoT Standard http://t.co/aurMfQQQQUSep 25 11:44
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 25 11:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | General Electric and Canonical Working on a New Open-Source IoT Standard | Tux MachinesSep 25 11:44
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Leftovers http://t.co/dr4EvsRIqDSep 25 11:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Leftovers | Tux MachinesSep 25 11:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Chromebooks, Linux, and LenovoSep 25 11:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Chromebooks, Linux, and Lenovo | Tux MachinesSep 25 11:44
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 15.10 Beta 2 Releases Now Available forSep 25 12:55
TweetTuxMachines                 Download, Here's What's NewSep 25 12:55
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/mVzWs4HY9W (news.softpedia.com)Sep 25 12:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu 15.10 Beta 2 Releases Now Available for Download, Here's What's New - SoftpediaSep 25 12:55
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     What's the Game or App That Would Convince YouSep 25 12:55
TweetTuxMachines                 to Drop Windows? http://t.co/Uf3sCnymv4Sep 25 12:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | What's the Game or App That Would Convince You to Drop Windows? - SoftpediaSep 25 12:55
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Security http://t.co/V4qXr8CxjOSep 25 12:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Security | Tux MachinesSep 25 12:58
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf Final Beta AvailableSep 25 12:58
TweetTuxMachines                 For Download http://t.co/X39vFMgW69Sep 25 12:58
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 25 12:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf Final Beta Available For Download | Tux MachinesSep 25 12:58
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     What's the Game or App That Would Convince YouSep 25 12:58
TweetTuxMachines                 to Drop Windows? http://t.co/yDpdZojuqdSep 25 12:58
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 25 12:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | What's the Game or App That Would Convince You to Drop Windows? | Tux MachinesSep 25 12:58
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TweetTuxMachines@jfoxdev         @tuxmachines BashSep 25 12:58
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cubexyzis this a joke? A closed source game is going to stop people from dropping windows?Sep 25 14:37
cubexyzso you can have a closed source linux game?Sep 25 14:37
cubexyzthe article isn't worth looking atSep 25 14:37
cubexyznot having the source code has been a big pain in the buttSep 25 14:38
cubexyzok, let's talk about something a bit more interesting:Sep 25 14:41
cubexyzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_commercial_video_games_with_available_source_codeSep 25 14:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | List of commercial video games with available source code - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nutzm ]Sep 25 14:42
cubexyzok, so the content license can sometimes be proprietary, I can live with thatSep 25 14:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Second Alpha Build of Manjaro Linux Xfce 15.12Sep 25 14:45
TweetTuxMachines                 Is Now Available for DownloadSep 25 14:45
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/D3rIL7yWuw (news.softpedia.com)Sep 25 14:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Second Alpha Build of Manjaro Linux Xfce 15.12 Is Now Available for Download - SoftpediaSep 25 14:45
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Linux Setup - Jim Whitehurst,Sep 25 14:46
TweetTuxMachines                 President/CEO, Red Hat http://t.co/mDurNxnB9ESep 25 14:46
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.mylinuxrig.com)Sep 25 14:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mylinuxrig.com | The Linux Setup - Jim Whitehurst, President/CEO,... - My Linux RigSep 25 14:46
cubexyzso some company ports a game to linux... not a big deal at allSep 25 14:48
cubexyza big deal --> company releases source code for gameSep 25 14:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Exploring the magic of Mageia 5Sep 25 14:53
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/fEmtrEasc9 (distrowatch.com)Sep 25 14:53
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuu1qSep 25 14:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD.Sep 25 14:53
*TweetTuxMachines @GanoeCyrus favourited 'Exploring the magic of Mageia 5 http://t.co/fEmtrEasc9'Sep 25 14:53
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     What you should not expect when switching toSep 25 15:26
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux  http://t.co/j62VzBcm9YSep 25 15:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxblog.darkduck.com | What you should not expect when switching to Linux - Linux notes from DarkDuckSep 25 15:26
TweetTuxMachines                 (linuxblog.darkduck.com)Sep 25 15:26
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuu9lSep 25 15:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Exploring the magic of Mageia 5Sep 25 15:26
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    http://t.co/fEmtrEasc9 (distrowatch.com)Sep 25 15:26
TweetTuxMachines @ningbojoe      Sep 25 15:26
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuu9mSep 25 15:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Embedded Linux: LeftoversSep 25 15:26
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/5yVzsDVJEc (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 25 15:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Embedded Linux: Leftovers | Tux MachinesSep 25 15:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Gaming Leftovers http://t.co/dTZeaLDcYWSep 25 15:26
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 25 15:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Gaming Leftovers | Tux MachinesSep 25 15:26
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     What you should not expect when switching toSep 25 15:26
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux http://t.co/nupNNJEzS8Sep 25 15:26
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 25 15:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | What you should not expect when switching to Linux | Tux MachinesSep 25 15:27
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     OSS Leftovers http://t.co/oUi9Pg7XzISep 25 15:27
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 25 15:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OSS Leftovers | Tux MachinesSep 25 15:27
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     PulseAudio 7.0 Improves Support for CreativeSep 25 16:46
TweetTuxMachines                 SoundBlaster Omni Surround 5.1Sep 25 16:46
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/qx4RmY5DrE (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 25 16:46
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuus3Sep 25 16:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PulseAudio 7.0 Improves Support for Creative SoundBlaster Omni Surround 5.1 | Tux MachinesSep 25 16:46
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Adventure RPG 'Last Word' Now Available OnSep 25 16:46
TweetTuxMachines                 Steam For Linux http://t.co/T8RV5oah0bSep 25 16:46
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.gamingonlinux.com)Sep 25 16:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Adventure RPG 'Last Word' Now Available On Steam For Linux | GamingOnLinuxSep 25 16:46
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     New Red Hat CFO Calderoni predicts bigSep 25 16:46
TweetTuxMachines                 milemarker for open-source giantSep 25 16:46
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/VOMbhXwNA3 (www.bizjournals.com)Sep 25 16:46
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuus5Sep 25 16:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bizjournals.com | New Red Hat CFO Calderoni predicts big milemarker for open-source giant - Triangle Business JournalSep 25 16:46
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/20-years-basically-the-same.jpgSep 25 16:55
cubexyzsome funny windows 10 comments:Sep 25 16:59
cubexyz"Windows 10: slower than Vista, more unstable than Vista, and worse than Vista. But it will save children's lives and the entire freaking world and the universe."Sep 25 16:59
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/ancedote-windows-bsod.txtSep 25 17:15
MinceRpeople have grown to like slow, unstable, insecure botnets full of spywareSep 25 17:19
cubexyzlike?Sep 25 17:19
cubexyzI doubt they like itSep 25 17:19
MinceRthey actively go for itSep 25 17:20
MinceRthey advertise itSep 25 17:20
cubexyzcomplacent maybeSep 25 17:20
cubexyzlazySep 25 17:20
MinceRthey try to bring these design flaws to all other systems they can reachSep 25 17:20
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cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/poettering-systemd.pngSep 25 17:35
cubexyzanyways, my advice is use openbsd or roll your own distroSep 25 17:47
cubexyzit's not that hard if you use a distro you like as a starting pointSep 25 17:47
MinceRhttp://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/feb/07/tax-city-heist-of-centurySep 25 17:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | To us, it's an obscure shift of tax law. To the City, it's the heist of the century | George Monbiot | Comment is free | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/nuv8k ]Sep 25 17:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat Leftovers http://t.co/IWTtpPCsMQSep 25 17:57
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 25 17:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat Leftovers | Tux MachinesSep 25 17:57
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuva8Sep 25 17:57
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Always be shippable http://t.co/sFtUKk32mNSep 25 17:58
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 25 17:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Always be shippable | Tux MachinesSep 25 17:58
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos http://t.co/3MEAQ6D2UQSep 25 17:58
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 25 17:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesSep 25 17:58
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MinceRhttp://xkcd.com/1582/Sep 25 18:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd.com | xkcd: Picture a Grassy FieldSep 25 18:03
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cubexyzadded fold to Unix v5... only required a minor revisionSep 25 19:05
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MinceRhttps://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/12019933_10207849611587291_5992097943280940949_n.jpg?oh=3c13f8ec7916cae524f0357815adf8ad&oe=5664E9D9Sep 25 19:28
DaemonFCI cancelled the Comcast appointment.Sep 25 19:37
DaemonFCWho cares? I'm moving on Monday.Sep 25 19:37
DaemonFCI'm in first stage of the move right now. Pitching all the garbage that I don't want to take with me.Sep 25 19:38
DaemonFCI filled up half of each of two dumpsters. I didn't want them complaining that I filled a dumpster up.Sep 25 19:38
DaemonFCThere's more coming, but I'll drive to the third dumpster to get rid of this elliptical that I broke down.Sep 25 19:38
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MinceRand yet you paint him as the hero of this storySep 25 23:40
MinceRwhich is totally ludicrousSep 25 23:40
MinceRand again, the "eurasian coalition" is just a collection of russia and a few states russia dominates and considers to be its propertySep 25 23:41
MinceR(similarly to how states under the control of the ussr weren't free to choose their political or economical systems)Sep 25 23:41
MinceRputin is also threatening the world (especially europe) with nuclear apocalypse, but you somehow don't mind that eitherSep 25 23:42
MinceRperhaps your Great Turning is actually Turning Into Irradiated Ash?Sep 25 23:42
msb_http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine/5371554Sep 25 23:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | The U.S. has Installed a Neo-Nazi Government in Ukraine | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization [ http://ur1.ca/ji3em ]Sep 25 23:43
MinceRhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/the-fda-and-big-pharmas-latest-killer-agenda-destroy-homeopathic-medicine/5455093Sep 25 23:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | The FDA and Big Pharma’s Latest Killer Agenda: Destroy Homeopathic Medicine | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization [ http://ur1.ca/nuxhl ]Sep 25 23:43
MinceRhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/vaccination-myths-and-truths/14618Sep 25 23:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | Vaccination Myths and Truths | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization [ http://ur1.ca/nuxho ]Sep 25 23:43
MinceRhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/drug-companies-donated-millions-to-california-lawmakers-prior-to-forced-vaccination-bill/5457393Sep 25 23:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | Drug Companies Donated Millions to California Lawmakers Prior to Forced Vaccination Bill | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization [ http://ur1.ca/nuxhp ]Sep 25 23:43
MinceRalso, it's interesting how every time putler attacks someone, the victims are blamed automaticallySep 25 23:44
MinceRapparently everyone who dares oppose the great fascist leader is by definition evilSep 25 23:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Software http://t.co/gcm36UcApmSep 25 23:45
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 25 23:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux MachinesSep 25 23:45
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Universal Permissive License added to licenseSep 25 23:46
TweetTuxMachines                 list http://t.co/bvC4fYKeLOSep 25 23:46
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 25 23:46
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuxilSep 25 23:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Universal Permissive License added to license list | Tux MachinesSep 25 23:46
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     LibreOffice 5.0 Is the Office Suite ChampSep 25 23:46
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/yzHA3Q4fgC (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 25 23:46
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuximSep 25 23:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice 5.0 Is the Office Suite Champ | Tux MachinesSep 25 23:46
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: KDE http://t.co/jVaR4wJzfzSep 25 23:46
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 25 23:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: KDE | Tux MachinesSep 25 23:46
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuxinSep 25 23:46
msb_This line is a keeper: "<MinceR> and all this started from ukraine wanting to move on from being a worthless hellhole to improve their economy and democracy with help from the west"Sep 25 23:57
msb_No mention of a coup against a democratically elected government, with the help of 5 billion dollars from the US and murderous violence from Svoboda and Right-Sector, which come from Stefan Bandera who fought with the Nazis in WW2.  Sep 25 23:59
msb_No wonder MinceR constantly misuses the word Fascism.  He doesn't want us to think about the concept it refers to.Sep 26 00:00
MinceRno mention of putin's human rights abuses, both on territory internationally recognized as being part of russia and on territory he invadedSep 26 00:01
msb_Could MinceR be working for the US govt?  He doesn't have much of an audience here, but the govt has trillions of dollars to throw around.Sep 26 00:01
MinceRno mention of the half-naked putin on a horse poster that's on the wall of msb_'s bedroomSep 26 00:01
MinceRit's a pity that msb_ doesn't get anything tangible out of fighting for putin in the kremlin's troll armySep 26 00:02
MinceRmsb_: i forgot. was your position that the ussr was a well-working democracy with its citizens enjoying all sorts of freedoms or that putin's regime is dramatically different from the ussr?Sep 26 00:03
msb_Summary of Mincer's mental illness:Sep 26 00:15
msb_1. If something bad might happen, even with a low probability, he assumes it _will_ happen.Sep 26 00:15
msb_2. If something negative occurs, he assumes that it will be expanded and exaggerated as much as possible.Sep 26 00:15
msb_3. If something isn't perfect, he thinks that it doesn't exist at all. Sep 26 00:15
msb_4. He creates fantasies about what he thinks are people's bad intentions, and thinks they are true.Sep 26 00:15
msb_5. He keeps telling the same lies over and over again, no matter how many times they are refuted.Sep 26 00:15
msb_6. He thinks that the object of his paranoia, Vladimir Putin, is out to get him personally.Sep 26 00:15
msb_7. That causes his associative mind, which takes statements literally, to become very frightened.Sep 26 00:15
MinceRlet me guess, that wasn't a personal attackSep 26 00:15
MinceRright?Sep 26 00:15
msb_It is verifiable fact.Sep 26 00:16
MinceR(no doubt it was easier to invent than answer the question)Sep 26 00:16
msb_I don't know what life in Russia is like.  Ask XRevan86.Sep 26 00:16
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MinceRyet you keep putting your foot in your mouth about itSep 26 00:17
MinceRand attack people who disagreeSep 26 00:17
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     New review of CentOS http://t.co/b882gvuUgHSep 26 00:17
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.everydaylinuxuser.com)Sep 26 00:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.everydaylinuxuser.com | An Everyday Linux User Review Of CentOS Linux 7 « Everyday Linux UserSep 26 00:17
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuxoxSep 26 00:17
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Turnkey Linux 14: Small business server LinuxSep 26 00:17
TweetTuxMachines                 made easy http://t.co/oarEggYVjkSep 26 00:17
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.zdnet.com)Sep 26 00:17
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuxoySep 26 00:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com | ​Turnkey Linux 14: Small business server Linux made easy | ZDNetSep 26 00:17
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu MATE 15.10 Beta 2 Screenshot Tour - ASep 26 00:17
TweetTuxMachines                 Modern OS for Conservative UsersSep 26 00:17
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/Zx7yIKBKfR (news.softpedia.com)Sep 26 00:17
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuxozSep 26 00:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu MATE 15.10 Beta 2 Screenshot Tour - A Modern OS for Conservative Users - SoftpediaSep 26 00:17
MinceRXRevan86: how is the current russia different from the ussr?Sep 26 00:40
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     "We gave it a whirl to see how the hottestSep 26 00:57
TweetTuxMachines                 China-made OS looks and feels."Sep 26 00:57
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/8TK7a8uuL0 (qz.com)Sep 26 00:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-qz.com | A first look at the Chinese operating system the government wants to replace Windows - QuartzSep 26 00:57
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuxwmSep 26 00:57
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     LibreOffice 5.0 Is the Office Suite ChampSep 26 00:57
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    http://t.co/yzHA3Q4fgC (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 26 00:57
TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi     Sep 26 00:57
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://twitter.com/RamiSilawi/status/647525330513588224Sep 26 00:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LibreOffice 5.0 Is the Office Suite Champ | Tux MachinesSep 26 00:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tizen Leftovers http://t.co/9U50IRIFQGSep 26 00:58
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 26 00:58
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuxwqSep 26 00:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tizen Leftovers | Tux MachinesSep 26 00:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNU/Linux in China and GibraltarSep 26 00:58
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/yybRnLhcbT (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 26 00:58
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuxwsSep 26 00:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNU/Linux in China and Gibraltar | Tux MachinesSep 26 00:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     OSS Leftovers http://t.co/oKKygC0W9ASep 26 00:58
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msb_Sequence of posts about the Ukraine Nazi coup:Sep 26 01:45
msb_1. MinceR describes the Nazi overthrow of the Ukraine govt, with $5billion from the US and two Nazi armies shooting people from rooftops, as Ukraine wanting to improve its economy with aid from the West.Sep 26 01:45
msb_2. I post a link to an article in globalresearch.ca describing the coup accurately, including a picture of the soldiers in Nazi uniformsSep 26 01:45
msb_3. MinceR posts links to articles from globalresearch talking about harm done by vaccines.  He thinks that vaccines never do harm, so he thinks that proves that GR.ca is unreliable.Sep 26 01:45
msb_4. I note that MinceR's statement about the Ukraine coup omits all the important facts.Sep 26 01:45
msb_5. MinceR claims I have a half-naked picture of Putin on my bedroom wall.Sep 26 01:45
MinceRand again, ad hominems instead of the pointSep 26 01:48
MinceRit's a pretty wild idea to expect a fascist to be one's ally in an alleged fight against fascismSep 26 01:48
MinceRit's similar to the delusion widely held (including in hungary) that if two forces oppose each other, one of them must necessarily be a force for goodSep 26 01:49
MinceRand of course to msb_ nazism means a few symbols and uniformsSep 26 01:50
MinceRwho cares about democracy, freedom, human rightsSep 26 01:51
MinceRthe only thing that matters is what you put on your flagSep 26 01:51
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XFaCEMinceR: yo my friendSep 26 01:55
MinceRj0Sep 26 01:55
XFaCEbreaking news, the UN officially outs themselves as a jokeSep 26 01:55
msb_MinceR: Why don't you attempt to justify your actions that I've listed above -- totally lying by omission on the Maidan coup, trying to smear globalresearch with USgovt backed lies about vaccines, sexual smear against me.  ???Sep 26 01:55
MinceRdidn't the WIPO (among others) reveal the UN to be a joke already? :>Sep 26 01:55
MinceRmsb_: you regurgitate russian government propaganda, wasting everyone's timeSep 26 01:56
XFaCEwell yeahSep 26 01:56
XFaCEMinceR: but this takes the pieSep 26 01:56
msb_The Russian govt has told the truth about the Nazi Ukraine coup.  Many diverse journalists agree with it.Sep 26 01:57
MinceRthe russian government has been running a concerted disinformation campaign for some time nowSep 26 01:58
MinceRincluding lying about their enemies and spreading all the conspiracy theories they can findSep 26 01:58
msb_about the Nazi Ukraine coup?Sep 26 01:58
MinceRukraine is one of their enemies, yesSep 26 01:58
MinceRrussia does not respect ukraine's sovereigntySep 26 01:59
msb_Russia was fine with ukraine's sovereignty until the US govt installed a Nazi coup government there.Sep 26 02:00
MinceRthat's bullshitSep 26 02:00
msb_That was the beginning of this whole conflict.Sep 26 02:00
MinceRand that's also bullshitSep 26 02:01
MinceRit also doesn't make any senseSep 26 02:01
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MinceRif it was up to the usa to choose what government to install, they would have avoided including those two far-right groups you keep pointing toSep 26 02:01
MinceRas it does not serve their interests to have them thereSep 26 02:02
msb_The US backed the coup for the purpose of starting a fight with Russia.  Same reason the CIA put 10,000 armed jihadists in Syria to overthrow the Assad govt.Sep 26 02:04
MinceRand the whole revolution grew out of ukraine's talks about joining the eu, iircSep 26 02:04
MinceRand russia shutting them downSep 26 02:04
msb_Russia shutting what down?Sep 26 02:04
MinceRukraine's efforts to strengthen their ties with the EUSep 26 02:06
msb_How did Russia do that?Sep 26 02:06
MinceRi don't remember the exact detailsSep 26 02:06
msb_Do you remember _any_ details, or is this another of your fantasies?Sep 26 02:07
msb_And how do you account for the Nazi Ukraine govt shooting down MH-17?Sep 26 02:08
MinceRthat's a russian fabricationSep 26 02:08
MinceReven the russians can't decide how they think it happenedSep 26 02:09
MinceRthey've published several conflicting tales on the matterSep 26 02:09
msb_I've showed you the pictures of the metal with holes from both sides.  From a German pilot, not from the Russian govt.Sep 26 02:09
XFaCEr_schestowitz: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/09/24/the-united-nations-has-a-radical-dangerous-vision-for-the-future-of-the-web/Sep 26 02:09
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XFaCEr_schestowitz: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/647410648079577090Sep 26 02:10
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MinceRmsb_: yes, you've showed pictures and allegationsSep 26 02:10
MinceRand now apparently you're an expert in such thingsSep 26 02:11
msb_The pictures show bullet holes from both sides, thus from the two Nazi Ukraine fighter jets that witnesses saw with the plane.Sep 26 02:11
msb_Which, BTW, the Nazi Ukraine air traffic controller diverted _into_ the war zone.Sep 26 02:12
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan#Initial_causesSep 26 02:12
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MinceRhere are the detailsSep 26 02:12
MinceR(which you will obviously ignore)Sep 26 02:12
MinceRah, so you can tell bullet holes from holes made by AA missilesSep 26 02:13
msb_wikipedia is controlled by the US government.  It calls 911 research "conspiracy theory":.Sep 26 02:13
XFaCEmsb_: Wikipedia is controlled by ultraPC censorship loving progressivesSep 26 02:13
MinceRno, it calls 9/11 conspiracy theories "conspiracy theory"Sep 26 02:14
msb_I can tell that some holes were created by bullets coming from one side and some from the other.  A missile would have made holes only from one side.  The two fighter jets made them from both sides.Sep 26 02:14
MinceRand of course we're back to the old routine that whoever says something that's inconvenient to putin is controlled by the us governmentSep 26 02:15
MinceRor some other absurd circular bullshit like thatSep 26 02:15
MinceRyou don't even know where those photos come fromSep 26 02:15
MinceRyou don't know how many missiles were firedSep 26 02:15
MinceRetc.Sep 26 02:15
MinceRyou merely assume whatever seems to support the russian party line at the momentSep 26 02:16
msb_In the demolition of the World Trade Center, 10-ton girders were blown horizontally at 70mph.  How was that the result of a gravity collapse?  Do you understand that F=ma is a _vector_ equation?Sep 26 02:16
msb_No one has said that more than one missile was fired at MH-17.Sep 26 02:17
MinceRhow did the "demolition" of the WTC affect that airliner?Sep 26 02:17
MinceRdid the debris from the WTC destroy the plane or what?Sep 26 02:17
msb_I wrote that because you said that the 911 research is a "conspiracy theory".Sep 26 02:17
MinceRyes, you're trying to divert from one topic to another in an attempt to waste everyone's timeSep 26 02:18
MinceRand avoiding answering any of the important questionsSep 26 02:18
msb_You are the one that wrote this:  "<MinceR> no, it calls 9/11 conspiracy theories "conspiracy theory""Sep 26 02:18
MinceRmsb_: a question you ignored before: was your position that the ussr was a well-working democracy with its citizens enjoying all sorts of freedoms or that putin's regime is dramatically different from the ussr?Sep 26 02:19
msb_I didn't ignore it.  I wrote: "14:17] <msb_> I don't know what life in Russia is like.  Ask XRevan86."Sep 26 02:20
MinceRbut you surely have a working assumption?Sep 26 02:21
msb_No I don't.Sep 26 02:21
MinceRahSep 26 02:21
MinceRso you support putin's regime regardless of what it doesSep 26 02:21
MinceRthat's nice.Sep 26 02:21
msb_I never said any such thing.  You are lying.Sep 26 02:21
MinceRyou propose current russia as the model of democracy and freedom all other states (but especially the usa) should aspire to and convert to, without knowing what it really is.Sep 26 02:22
MinceRyou wish to submit as many people as possible (in crimea and elsewhere) to putin's rule without knowing what that rule entails.Sep 26 02:22
MinceRand you paint yourself as an enemy of fascism.Sep 26 02:22
msb_I never said anything like that.  Sep 26 02:22
MinceRyou merely said the things those things logically follow fromSep 26 02:22
XRevan86msb_, MinceR: I have a proposal: why don't you discuss this matter in PM?Sep 26 02:23
MinceRyour position is absurd.Sep 26 02:23
MinceRXRevan86: msb_ wants an audience.Sep 26 02:23
msb_The people of Crimea voted to join Russia.  And 700,000 refugees from Ukraine have fled to Russia.Sep 26 02:23
MinceRyes, in a mock "referendum" under threat by an armySep 26 02:23
MinceRand yes, the russian government reported refugees from ukraineSep 26 02:23
XRevan86This discussion is sick at both sides.Sep 26 02:24
MinceRas they usually say whatever they think supports their effortsSep 26 02:24
MinceRalso, russian media uses actors to portray these alleged "refugees"Sep 26 02:24
MinceRand i've linked to a report to thatSep 26 02:24
MinceRand msb_ ignored it, as usualSep 26 02:24
MinceRmaybe msb_ also wishes to avoid discussing rights more relevant to technology, such as the UN's plans for global internet censorship.Sep 26 02:25
msb_I wrote that Bernie Sanders, Syriza, Jeremy Corbyn and Pope Francis are all doing good things now, and that even Putin is trying to  protect the people of Syria, and started the Eurasian Coalition, so good things are happening.  That's when Mincer attacked me.Sep 26 02:26
MinceRand again, the ad for the pedophile leader and the fascist idolSep 26 02:27
MinceRdo they pay you per impression, msb_?Sep 26 02:27
MinceRalso, how do you think "good things are happening" if you _admitted_ you don't know what's happening?Sep 26 02:27
msb_Do they pay you per lie, MinceR?Sep 26 02:27
MinceRyou keep using that word, msb_ Sep 26 02:27
msb_You keep lying.Sep 26 02:28
MinceRyou keep using that word, msb_ Sep 26 02:28
msb_Yes, because you keep lying.Sep 26 02:28
XRevan86systemdSep 26 02:28
MinceRmsb_: i don't think it means what you think it means.Sep 26 02:28
XFaCEXRevan86: I think Poettering is gushing over this UN announcementSep 26 02:29
msb_Good that you've seen Princess Bride, but I certainly know what lying is.Sep 26 02:30
MinceRno, you certainly don'tSep 26 02:30
XFaCEProbably programming a censorshipD addon to systemd right nowSep 26 02:30
msb_For example, you just wrote that I "_admitted_ [I] don't know what's happening".  I know a lot about what's happening.Sep 26 02:31
MinceRjust not what mattersSep 26 02:31
MinceRlike what is the nature of the regime you wish to extend to as many people as possibleSep 26 02:31
XRevan86XFaCE: What announcement is that exactly?Sep 26 02:31
MinceR(while somehow not being so willing to subject yourself to it, revealing you for the hypocrite you are.)Sep 26 02:32
XFaCEXRevan86: [19:09:19]<XFaCE> r_schestowitz: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/09/24/the-united-nations-has-a-radical-dangerous-vision-for-the-future-of-the-web/Sep 26 02:32
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XRevan86XFaCE: Great Maker.Sep 26 02:32
XFaCEgreat maker?Sep 26 02:33
MinceRShai-Hulud.Sep 26 02:33
XRevan86XFaCE: The highest Centauri god.Sep 26 02:34
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msb_"<MinceR> yeah, command economy is totally different if you call it "sharing""  MinceR's paranoid delusions convert everything good into something evil for him.  The RT show said nothing about "command economy".  FOSS is sharing but is not "command economy".Sep 26 17:11
MinceRFOSS has plenty of competitionSep 26 17:12
MinceRat least until redcrap has their waySep 26 17:13
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MinceRthey still managed to force it on everyoneSep 26 17:51
MinceRfor example via SDSep 26 17:51
MinceRespecially SDXCSep 26 17:51
gde33|2msb_: but we do have to seriously retool educationSep 26 17:51
MinceR(exFAT)Sep 26 17:51
kyleriggand?Sep 26 17:51
kyleriggevery day something is forced on youSep 26 17:51
gde33|2msb_: We have madly outdated systems that follow methods from ancient militaristic regimes. Imagine a business with the desks positioned like that, with everyone listening to the manager all day. Taking notes etc A platoon of marching soldiers comes much closer to the formula.Sep 26 17:51
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gde33|2msb_: kids think of education as something they have to sit though. They perceive it as something temporary that one just has to survive.Sep 26 17:52
msb_gde33|2: Gaddafi provided a free university education to anyone who wanted it, before the US murdered him and destr0yed Libya.Sep 26 17:52
gde33|2msb_: other countries did and do provide free educationSep 26 17:53
gde33|2msb_: but it shouldn't be free, it should be paid workSep 26 17:53
kylerigganyway ill make everyone happy and leave, gonna go play xbox and improve my gamerscoreSep 26 17:53
kyleriggand look up achievement gets on my iphoneSep 26 17:53
gde33|2msb_: and last your whole life if need beSep 26 17:53
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gde33|2The applied formula is just bad then we also put the student on a tight schedule. The schedule begins to divide the citizenry into those who succeed and those who did not and will not. Ohhh that guy who got the flu at the wrong time, he barely made it! To bad for us, now we have to pay for him the rest of his life?Sep 26 17:53
msb_gde33|2: The Summerhill school provided a very relaxed and non-authoritarian environment.  It was very successful in educating kids.Sep 26 17:54
gde33|2msb_: there are such obvious stupidities in our education systemSep 26 17:54
msb_gde33|2: You are certainly correct in your description of most current education systems.Sep 26 17:54
gde33|2Look for laughs at memory athletes, thanks to simple training they are able to absorb many thousands of times as much information.Sep 26 17:54
gde33|2they can hold roughly 40 000 times as much information as average peopleSep 26 17:55
gde33|2in the same timeSep 26 17:55
msb_I knew everything that was taught to me in math and science from reading books, long before it was taught.Sep 26 17:56
gde33|2Look for laughs at speed reading, thanks to simple training they are able to read faster and faster. It goes so fast eventually that it seems a hoax.Sep 26 17:56
gde33|2Why don’t we teach this? If there is any reason it must be some pseudo academic clap trap riddled with lack of expertise about the fields.Sep 26 17:56
gde33|2We’ve all seen them, people who know nothing about a topic but declare themselves an expert on why it cant work.Sep 26 17:57
gde33|2How about a diet that contains the necessary resources to actually build a brain? There are no real world examples of building something without the necessary materials.Sep 26 17:57
gde33|2As we have phones and internet, teachers can be there for us when we need them. I imagine the right to study at home can be earned. If you fail the trials for some reason you have to show up at school every day of the week until the next trial.Sep 26 17:57
gde33|2slap some numbers on itSep 26 17:58
gde33|2Above 16 or so we can start paying people for getting educated depending on market demand for their field, as they get older the payments can increase to a decent living wage for good performance (slackers get a bit less) Then at some point a real job should be easy to find where one earns more and doesn’t have to work as hard. If people want to stay in school we can gradually turn them into teachers or homework assistants.Sep 26 17:58
gde33|2I for one look forwards to a conversation with average people that involves more than just last weeks media propaganda, drugs, alcohol, football, video games, movies, sex, financial drama and 1000 variations of how much [their] life sucks.Sep 26 17:59
gde33|2in short: We should turn education into a paid occupationSep 26 18:00
gde33|2no work > back to schoolSep 26 18:01
msb_gde33|2: Technology has advanced to the point even now when there are probably not enough jobs for everyone, even as teachers.  Certainly not at 40 hours/week.  But paid education would certainly result in people leading more creative lives than most do today.Sep 26 18:02
gde33|2in 20 years you have an economy so far ahead of everyone else that it seems like they live in the stone ageSep 26 18:03
gde33|2Public discourse, the media, politics, the internet, it will all transform beyond recognition.Sep 26 18:03
msb_Actually, people broadcasting interesting and creative stuff via the Internet is a whole new occupation, that would be very good for society.Sep 26 18:04
gde33|2with enough education, if you have some idea or an opinion about something you can submit it to a peer reviewed journalSep 26 18:04
msb_We already have a lot of it in Youtube.Sep 26 18:04
gde33|2it is all tailored for the great unwashedSep 26 18:04
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msb_What is?Sep 26 18:05
gde33|2It is not by magic that average men bussy themselves with stupid topics, the media is essentially the enemy of education.Sep 26 18:05
gde33|2Knowingly or not their goal is to keep people dumb so that they can translate things written by professionals into dumb language and sell products in the process. Sep 26 18:05
msb_Yes, the commercial media is.  But youtube has lots of good stuff if you look for it,.Sep 26 18:06
gde33|2Opinion journalism by nature hates scrutiny.Sep 26 18:06
gde33|2Making popular videos are like skilled journalism, it successfully appeals to the most primitive of emotions to keep the audience as broad as possible.Sep 26 18:06
gde33|2*is likeSep 26 18:07
gde33|2You can’t do much inside the format beyond sensationalism, there is no step by step agenda to teach you anything. Sep 26 18:07
gde33|2Every page is page 1Sep 26 18:07
gde33|2You are learning about things by reading articles but any knowledge that doesn’t serve you is part of the problem not part of the solution.Sep 26 18:07
gde33|2If everyone has a higher skill level and public discours bussies it self with the sciences and other skolarly topics the media has no choice but to follow.Sep 26 18:08
gde33|2no more "I'm not a scientist but..." type of emo appealsSep 26 18:08
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msb_There are many good videos in youtube that are made to communicate particular important information, not to appeal to lowest-common-denominator audience.Sep 26 18:09
gde33|2I know, I'm thinking to bring the average viewer up to that levelSep 26 18:09
gde33|2look how gaming eclipses all other topicsSep 26 18:10
gde33|2videos with hundreds of millions of views with some guy playing pacman in itSep 26 18:10
gde33|2like apesSep 26 18:10
gde33|2no, worse than apesSep 26 18:10
gde33|2lolSep 26 18:10
gde33|2the viewers made it into the new normalSep 26 18:11
MinceRtechnically, we're all apes :>Sep 26 18:11
gde33|290% ape 10% pig Sep 26 18:11
msb_Paying people to learn is a good idea.  And some people will light up and find that they're being paid for learning something they really enjoy!Sep 26 18:12
MinceR50% man 50% bear 50% pigSep 26 18:12
gde33|2its like you have a giant network of 8 billion supper computers then you use it to watch porn on all screensSep 26 18:12
gde33|2msb_: it is more the same now but it use to be that in the US a drivers licence was normal while here everyone had a bicycleSep 26 18:13
gde33|2not having a licence in the US was seriously missing outSep 26 18:13
gde33|2it was not normalSep 26 18:13
gde33|2we can do that with all types of expertiseSep 26 18:14
gde33|2if we teach everyone assembly those who dont know it will feel they are missing outSep 26 18:14
gde33|2or take how most people can find countries on the map nowadaysSep 26 18:15
gde33|2it wasn't always like thatSep 26 18:15
gde33|2it use to be perfectly acceptable if you knew only your own country by name and those next to itSep 26 18:15
gde33|2hah, do you remember when interface testing had people sitting there gazing at the screen?Sep 26 18:17
gde33|2not clicking anythingSep 26 18:17
gde33|2did you ever see that?Sep 26 18:17
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cubexyzsee Paterson Vs EvansSep 26 18:17
cubexyzlawsuit dismissedSep 26 18:17
cubexyzDigital Research should have suedSep 26 18:18
cubexyzPaterson is still talking about it to this day'Sep 26 18:19
gde33|2cubexyz: link?Sep 26 18:19
cubexyzhttp://dosmandrivel.blogspot.com/2007/08/is-dos-rip-off-of-cpm.htmlSep 26 18:19
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cubexyzKildall fought back with DR-DOSSep 26 18:22
cubexyzsort of copying the copierSep 26 18:22
MinceRwhich didn't workSep 26 18:23
msb_gde33|2: I did contract programming at a company where the head of QA was a very intelligent and personable woman, who was reprimanded when she found serious flaws in the software UI.Sep 26 18:23
MinceR"stop finding bugs!"Sep 26 18:23
gde33|2cubexyz: before that people would write their own tools, not sure if standardisation was such a great ideaSep 26 18:23
gde33|2msb_: hahaSep 26 18:23
msb_In fact, I think she was demoted.Sep 26 18:23
gde33|2today no one gets uiSep 26 18:24
gde33|2I have a vague clue how it should work but not much experienceSep 26 18:24
MinceRa few people do but they don't have much powerSep 26 18:24
MinceRunix largely got it rightSep 26 18:24
gde33|2not at allSep 26 18:24
cubexyzMinceR, because of dirty tricks like the AARD codeSep 26 18:25
gde33|2if you have to read any documentation the UI stinksSep 26 18:25
cubexyzI can't remember having any problems with straight DR-DOSSep 26 18:25
msb_Unix/Linux man pages need a lot more examples.Sep 26 18:25
gde33|2its gawd awefulSep 26 18:26
gde33|2calling it man is a mistake beyond excusesSep 26 18:26
gde33|2the word man was already usedSep 26 18:27
MinceR:)Sep 26 18:27
MinceRit saves you from typing 3 more letters thoughSep 26 18:27
cubexyzunix commands were crypticSep 26 18:27
cubexyzfor faster typingSep 26 18:27
MinceRpeople shouldn't be so afraid to learnSep 26 18:27
gde33|2adding a learning curve to finding the instruction manual???!?!?Sep 26 18:27
MinceR"The only intuitive interface is the nipple. After that, it's all learned."Sep 26 18:28
gde33|2you have very limited ability to learn, this should not be wasted on bullshitSep 26 18:28
cubexyzman is really just a script that calls nroffSep 26 18:28
gde33|2a term like nroff also doesn't explain what it doesSep 26 18:28
MinceRgde33|2: put a pointer in the motd, then :)Sep 26 18:28
gde33|2hipster bullshitSep 26 18:28
cubexyznroff is new roffSep 26 18:29
MinceRnroff means "new roff"Sep 26 18:29
cubexyzright :)Sep 26 18:29
gde33|2yes asdf fds wasfh weehghha 911 911Sep 26 18:29
MinceRroff was named after runoffSep 26 18:29
gde33|2roflSep 26 18:29
MinceR(which was a multics program)Sep 26 18:29
gde33|2what kind of tics?Sep 26 18:29
gde33|2things get progressively worse by using existing words to mean new thingsSep 26 18:30
gde33|2like object and function etc etc etcSep 26 18:30
gde33|2soon you wont be able to say anything without sounding confused about the latest hipsterismSep 26 18:30
gde33|2hipsteriaSep 26 18:30
MinceRgde33|2: Multiplexed Information and Computing ServiceSep 26 18:30
MinceRmost of the time new things are named using existing wordsSep 26 18:31
gde33|2hyped-up text marketing languageSep 26 18:31
MinceRand if they weren't, you'd be even more confusedSep 26 18:31
MinceRhypercomplicated text mashing languageSep 26 18:31
gde33|2then get adverbs made out of adverbsSep 26 18:31
gde33|2we should take an unwashed noob, you give him something like vim then wait until he writes his first programSep 26 18:32
cubexyzwhat came before vi and nroff was even harder to understandSep 26 18:32
gde33|2it is all so terribleSep 26 18:33
msb_Finding a Unix command to perform a particular function, and getting examples for commands, can now be done by means of Google search.Sep 26 18:33
gde33|2like computers are some alien planetSep 26 18:33
gde33|2msb_: oh that use to be trueSep 26 18:33
cubexyzin the PDP-7 era there were all sorts of severe limitationsSep 26 18:34
MinceRyou could also try aproposSep 26 18:34
msb_That makes it not alien and terrible.Sep 26 18:34
gde33|2nowadays google will return some multinational homepage regardless of querySep 26 18:34
cubexyzsome of that carried over to PDP-11 Unix and to today's Linux/BSDSep 26 18:34
msb_apropos doesn't always find what you want.  It's based on info in the man pages.Sep 26 18:35
gde33|2I have no words for how bad things are, the spec is the tutorial nowadaysSep 26 18:35
cubexyzbad compared to what?Sep 26 18:35
cubexyzcomputers are easier to use now than ever beforeSep 26 18:35
gde33|2what it should be, the user should feel empowred not stupidSep 26 18:35
XFaCEyo msb_ Sep 26 18:36
XFaCEI know youave have a lot of opinions on a lot of issuesSep 26 18:36
XFaCEbut I just have to knowSep 26 18:36
XFaCEmsb_: What happened to Andy Kaufman after 1984?Sep 26 18:36
gde33|2cubexyz: imagine calling a plumber but having to read a manual before you can interface with him about the issueSep 26 18:37
gde33|2lolSep 26 18:37
cubexyzKaufman diedSep 26 18:37
cubexyzcancer I thinkSep 26 18:37
msb_gde33|2: My experience is very different from yours.  Man pages + google + howtos + IRC,if necessary, provide very good information.Sep 26 18:37
gde33|2msb_: you shouldn't need any of thatSep 26 18:37
cubexyzLung CancerSep 26 18:38
msb_gde33|2: Don't should on yourself.Sep 26 18:38
gde33|2msb_: we are in the day and age of watson type of computersSep 26 18:38
cubexyzeverything has to be learnedSep 26 18:38
cubexyzno one is born with skillsSep 26 18:38
gde33|2oh but we areSep 26 18:38
msb_XFaCE: I know nothing of Kaufman.Sep 26 18:39
gde33|2we can take in massive amounts of spatial data with our eyesSep 26 18:39
cubexyzif I was to write an operating system I'd probably gravitate to something like UnixSep 26 18:39
gde33|2all human languages use the same words strongly suggesting their meaning is hardwiredSep 26 18:40
MinceRhuh?Sep 26 18:40
msb_The resources I listed work together very well, and I forgot wikipedia.Sep 26 18:40
cubexyzMinceR, does Hungarian look anything like English? :)Sep 26 18:40
MinceRgde33|2: you do realize there are languages outside the indo-european family, right?Sep 26 18:40
MinceRcubexyz: noSep 26 18:40
cubexyzplus there's APL :)Sep 26 18:41
gde33|2MinceR: of course, they all talk about the same things using almost the same termsSep 26 18:41
MinceRhungarian is a uralic language, english is an indo-european languageSep 26 18:41
cubexyzI'm sure you'd love my old APL programSep 26 18:42
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/old-apl.txtSep 26 18:42
gde33|2you even have religions trying to map their father, mother, brother, sister onto teh brains :PSep 26 18:43
MinceRwow, it fits in 7bit asciiSep 26 18:43
cubexyzyes... APL for PDP-11 UnixSep 26 18:43
cubexyzold styleSep 26 18:43
cubexyzso no, we don't have star trek style computers you can talk toSep 26 18:44
MinceRwell, we do have computers you can talk toSep 26 18:46
MinceRbut they just relay your words to the nsaSep 26 18:46
cubexyzhahaSep 26 18:46
MinceRand your computer gets told what to doSep 26 18:46
cubexyzdon't get me wrong, computers do have short comingsSep 26 18:47
cubexyzno doubt about thatSep 26 18:47
XFaCEEspiranto timeSep 26 18:49
MinceRaspirantoSep 26 18:50
cubexyzit would be nice if you could say "Computer open word processor"Sep 26 18:50
cubexyzor "Computer close firefox"Sep 26 18:50
XFaCEumSep 26 18:51
MinceRhttps://youtu.be/yJD1Iwy5lUY?t=31sSep 26 18:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | If Google Was A Guy (Part 3) - YouTubeSep 26 18:51
MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y_Jp6PxsSQSep 26 18:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Windows Vista Speech Recognition - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nv2lm ]Sep 26 18:51
cubexyzis this another BSOD video?Sep 26 18:52
MinceRnoSep 26 18:52
cubexyzhahahaSep 26 18:52
MinceRsomewhat related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oBJXdegv7sSep 26 18:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | the simpsons newton - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nv2mi ]Sep 26 18:54
msb_XFaCE: Sorry, I didn't mean to be rude to you.  But I don't know anything about Andy Kaufman.Sep 26 18:55
XFaCEit's okSep 26 18:55
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cubexyzMinceR was rightSep 26 19:10
cubexyzthe voice recognition software was so crap using the keyboard is a million times betterSep 26 19:10
MinceR:)Sep 26 19:13
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DaemonFCJ. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Sep 26 20:18
DaemonFCRepublicans are so pro-life that they elected George W. Bush, which killed about a million and a half people whose only crime was being in the way of our bombs and bullets.Sep 26 20:18
DaemonFCIn any universe where justice was served, Dick and Bush would have been sent to the gallows already.Sep 26 20:18
DaemonFCSome people have called for President Obama to pardon them, which would imply that a crime had been committed, but I don't want to see him pardon them as long as there is any chance of them being arrested and tried for war crimes, anywhere.Sep 26 20:18
DaemonFCOur former policy was that we never stop pursuing war criminals. There's even still a Nazi prison camp guard here and there in their 90s that we're trying to get. We KNOW where Bush and Dick are!Sep 26 20:18
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Gaming Leftovers http://t.co/y9tbCuD91MSep 26 21:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Gaming Leftovers | Tux MachinesSep 26 21:12
cubexyzanother sham ad... "you need to fix windows errors now"Sep 26 21:47
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/sham-windows-ad-2015.pngSep 26 21:50
XRevan86cubexyz: Old as world.Sep 26 21:51
XRevan86cubexyz: You're still using Google.Sep 26 21:52
cubexyzforce of habitSep 26 21:52
cubexyzthey could at least look at the user agent before they spam me with windows adsSep 26 21:54
XRevan86cubexyz: https://addons.mozilla.org/eo/firefox/addon/startpage-privacy-search-enginSep 26 21:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-addons.mozilla.org | Startpage Privacy Search Engine :: Add-ons for Firefox [ http://ur1.ca/nv3gk ]Sep 26 21:56
cubexyzyes, I have that :)Sep 26 21:56
XRevan86cubexyz: And yet…Sep 26 21:57
cubexyzok, startpage is at the top nowSep 26 22:00
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Parsix GNU/Linux 8.5 (Atticus) Announced, ItSep 26 22:41
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XRevan86New Doctor Who episode. Finally.Sep 26 23:12
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Parsix GNU/Linux 8.5 (Atticus) Announced, ItSep 26 23:53
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msb__http://www.king5.com/story/news/health/2015/09/18/company-hikes-price-5000-drug-fights-complication-aids-cancer-daraprim/32563749/Sep 20 02:40
msb__Turing Pharmaceuticals of New York raised the price of Daraprim from $13.50 per pill to $750 per pill last month.  Fights toxoplasmosis, common in people with AIDS.Sep 20 02:42
cubexyzI would think that we can get it cheaper than that in CanadaSep 20 03:01
msb__Looks like a fairly simple molecule, and 3-step synthesis:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PyrimethamineSep 20 03:13
msb__The raw materials for the synthesis are all common chemicals.Sep 20 03:14
msb__Probably $13.50/pill was a ripoff.Sep 20 03:15
msb__I guess PWAs should be careful around cats.Sep 20 03:19
msb__The article says the drug has been sold since 1953!  So any patent has run out long ago.   Presumably it can be manufactured cheaply in other countries.Sep 20 03:25
msb__three great animes on Cartoon Network -- already startedSep 20 03:36
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNOME Boston Summit 2015 http://t.co/FRbO1f3nzeSep 20 04:42
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MinceRhttp://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=18309Sep 20 05:52
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__martin__geekings againSep 20 06:17
__martin__MinceR: https://lwn.net/Articles/657345/Sep 20 06:17
__martin__(paywall yet)Sep 20 06:17
msb__Is that the Linux magazine that has microshit ads?  I think one of them does, or at least used to..Sep 20 07:00
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__martin__derailing standards lolSep 20 09:02
__martin__https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Enabling-seamless-communication-experiences.pngSep 20 09:02
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msb__Excellent discussion about the US attacks on Middle East nations and the consequent rise of ISIL:  http://www.rt.com/shows/worlds-apart-oksana-boyko/315995-chaos-is-troubled-region/Sep 20 15:01
msb__Streaming is very intermittent, so use VideoDownloadHelper to download the video and watch it from your disk.Sep 20 15:06
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tizen 3.0 to Ship with Linux Kernel 4.1, DropsSep 20 16:48
TweetTuxMachines                 X for Wayland http://t.co/UTZtl74C7BSep 20 16:48
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Sep 20 16:48
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntw2eSep 20 16:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     RapidDisk / RapidCache 3.3 now available.Sep 20 16:48
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/YqJdpLwZnf (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 20 16:48
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntw2fSep 20 16:48
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MinceRhttps://imgur.com/gallery/mlk8JeqSep 20 18:10
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MinceRwhat's this PigGate thing?Sep 20 20:37
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DaemonFC`http://www.speedtest.net/result/4680194704.pngSep 20 21:27
DaemonFC`Comcast 30 Mbps internet. Unusable crap. They refuse to fix it.Sep 20 21:28
MinceRnastySep 20 21:29
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/MNHiiBO.jpgSep 20 22:10
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DaemonFCMinceR, They also billed me $70 for the service call that didn't fix anything, for which they said there would be no fee.Sep 20 22:36
DaemonFCI called in just now and they said that their billing department is closed, and to call back tomorrow.Sep 20 22:37
MinceRclassySep 20 22:37
MinceRreminds me of a south park episodeSep 20 22:37
DaemonFCCalling Comcast is always fun. It takes about two hours on hold if they don't just hang up, forcing you to restart the process.Sep 20 22:37
DaemonFCRyan FarmerSep 20 22:38
DaemonFCJust now · Sep 20 22:38
DaemonFCBurn down Comcast! Burn them down! Pillage! Burn! No mercy! Spare no one! GRRRRRR!!!!!11111oneSep 20 22:38
DaemonFC(It's one of those days.)Sep 20 22:38
DaemonFCMinceR, I'm moving soon so I'm thinking of just letting them bill me and then not paying it.Sep 20 22:39
DaemonFCIt'll be on my credit report, but I'll file a dispute note there.Sep 20 22:39
DaemonFCMy credit is good enough to handle a 5-6 point drop. I'd rather do that than reward them for cheating me.Sep 20 22:39
MinceR:)Sep 20 22:40
DaemonFCBy the time it shows up, I'll be hooked up through Frontier anyway.Sep 20 22:40
DaemonFCRyan FarmerSep 20 22:49
DaemonFCJust now · Sep 20 22:49
DaemonFCDealing with Comcast wouldn't be tolerated if they were in any other line of business. Dealing with Comcast is like buying a car where the engine breaks down every 1,000 miles, and then instead of honoring the warranty, they bill you for a new engine overhaul they said should be free since it was their fault, try to sell you upgrades to the car that probably won't work either, and then tell you to eat shit because the government won't allow Sep 20 22:49
DaemonFCany other car makers to compete with them.Sep 20 22:49
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DaemonFCRyan FarmerSep 20 23:00
DaemonFCJust now · Sep 20 23:00
DaemonFCComcast apparently was in negotiations with the copyright mafia to take part in the "six strikes" system. As you pirate more movies or Lady Gaga albums or porn or whatever it is that you pirate, the six strikes system is supposed to degrade your internet connection until it becomes utterly unusable and won't even load most websites.Sep 20 23:00
DaemonFCI guess the problem that Comcast came up against is that nobody would notice the difference.Sep 20 23:00
DaemonFCJ. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Sep 20 23:07
DaemonFCI'd prefer a system where individual governments became irrelevant and citizenship was no longer a word because the whole Earth was united.Sep 20 23:07
DaemonFCThe problem is that the current system benefits the rich enormously. They can use the western military machines to step on the poor countries, that have trillions of dollars worth of resources underneath their feet, and keep corrupt governments in place there that sell them the resources for a pittance. I know someone who is married to a man whose father is a "governor" in Zimbabwe. The government is very corrupt, and takes pretty much Sep 20 23:07
DaemonFCwhatever it wants while people live in squalor. The government has guns and the people have nothing, so it doesn't exactly need their support to stay in power. The government officials live quite well.Sep 20 23:07
DaemonFCI always love those "first world problems" memes where people complain that they stood in line for an entire hour to get a video game or some such rubbish.Sep 20 23:07
DaemonFCI think we should hope that there never comes a day where America has its prestige and ability to project force, and has no true allies because of the way it acted while it had those things. There will be...consequences.Sep 20 23:10
DaemonFClostSep 20 23:11
DaemonFCJ. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Sep 20 23:15
DaemonFCThat's also the quickest way to citizenship. Republicans gawk at the swearing in ceremony for people who serve in our military and they scold the president for "giving freebies". Sep 20 23:15
DaemonFCI saw that, and I was like "Really?". Not that any damned disgusting thing that the Republicans do should surprise us these days. And we know they have no respect for people in the military, once they're done using them....Sep 20 23:15
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TweetTuxMachines                 X for Wayland http://t.co/LqgB8zUuH1Sep 20 23:45
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 20 23:45
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntxftSep 20 23:45
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Worried about Windows 10 privacy? Use LinuxSep 21 02:08
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/BLpNJQ6mj5 (betanews.com)Sep 21 02:08
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntxttSep 21 02:08
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     New to Linux? You Should Start Right Here -Sep 21 02:08
TweetTuxMachines                 Lesson One: Introduction to LinuxSep 21 02:08
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/GBJGEORzDx (news.softpedia.com)Sep 21 02:08
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntxtvSep 21 02:08
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Manjaro Linux KDE 15.09 Gets a Fourth ReleaseSep 21 02:10
TweetTuxMachines                 Candidate with KDE Plasma 5.4.1Sep 21 02:10
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/DwI6KwTbK5 (news.softpedia.com)Sep 21 02:10
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntxu5Sep 21 02:10
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Worried about Windows 10 privacy? Use LinuxSep 21 02:10
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/GfPcpEx0CJ (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 21 02:10
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntxu6Sep 21 02:10
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     New to Linux? You Should Start Right Here -Sep 21 02:10
TweetTuxMachines                 Lesson One: Introduction to LinuxSep 21 02:10
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/7Mu3urcWpr (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 21 02:10
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntxu7Sep 21 02:10
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Manjaro Linux KDE 15.09 Gets a Fourth ReleaseSep 21 03:06
TweetTuxMachines                 Candidate with KDE Plasma 5.4.1Sep 21 03:06
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/G5Pxs6bSLG (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 21 03:06
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nty05Sep 21 03:06
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Links 21/9/2015: Tizen 3.0, Red Hat's ResultsSep 21 03:06
TweetTuxMachines                 Coming http://t.co/RCHlSJDv6x (techrights.org)Sep 21 03:06
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nty06Sep 21 03:06
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 21/9/2015: Tizen 3.0, Red Hat's Results Coming...'Sep 21 03:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Android Leftovers http://t.co/2VptsOPjqESep 21 03:09
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 21 03:09
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nty0iSep 21 03:09
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: KDE http://t.co/PkHmxeXCAESep 21 03:09
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TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nty0kSep 21 03:09
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Gaming Leftovers http://t.co/q0SQNJaRcnSep 21 03:21
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TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nty26Sep 21 03:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos http://t.co/uKe63ofb1VSep 21 03:21
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TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nty27Sep 21 03:21
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's leftovers http://t.co/nCArxPjyE7Sep 21 03:21
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TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nty29Sep 21 03:21
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Valve's Steam Controller to Get Driver in LinuxSep 21 04:37
TweetTuxMachines                 Kernel 4.3 http://t.co/gSieofHRaeSep 21 04:37
TweetTuxMachines                 (news.softpedia.com)Sep 21 04:37
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntyanSep 21 04:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Valve's Steam Controller to Get Driver in LinuxSep 21 04:38
TweetTuxMachines                 Kernel 4.3 http://t.co/mYLjXTjWSaSep 21 04:38
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TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntyaoSep 21 04:38
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msb__http://www.rt.com/news/316056-skype-messaging-down-globe/Sep 21 07:49
msb__Skype communication app is down across the globeSep 21 07:50
XRevan86msb__: yaySep 21 07:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     [How To] Install Intel Graphics In Ubuntu 15.04Sep 21 08:02
TweetTuxMachines                 Or Derivatives Linux OS http://t.co/SwoHeRxGqUSep 21 08:02
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 21 08:02
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntz29Sep 21 08:02
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linus Torvalds Announces Linux Kernel 4.3 RC2,Sep 21 08:02
TweetTuxMachines                 Things Are Looking Fairly Calm and SmallSep 21 08:02
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/OO5NEBcUdv (linux.softpedia.com)Sep 21 08:02
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntz2bSep 21 08:02
msb__XRevan86: Actually, it's good for people to have a free global communication method, even if they are using microshit.Sep 21 08:04
msb__The advantage of skype is that it's very easy to use.Sep 21 08:05
XRevan86msb__: Big Google Brother also has an evil easy-to-use thing.Sep 21 08:06
cubexyzcommunication is best by text anywaysSep 21 08:06
cubexyzI don't see any need for a "videophone"Sep 21 08:07
msb__why?Sep 21 08:07
msb__but audio phone is goodSep 21 08:07
msb__It makes people feel more in contact.Sep 21 08:07
cubexyzwhen one is composing text there is more thought put into itSep 21 08:08
cubexyza lot of people ignore their phones Sep 21 08:09
cubexyzbut they will read their emailsSep 21 08:10
cubexyztelemarketing has largely ruined the telephoneSep 21 08:10
msb__One could just as well say that spam has ruined email.Sep 21 08:11
msb__People need to make human contact.Sep 21 08:11
cubexyzthat's a fair point, although gmail has a pretty good spam filterSep 21 08:11
XRevan86One could just as well say that spamassassin saved email :).Sep 21 08:12
msb__I'm starting to realize that the associative/emotional mind is extremely important in achieving human unity and peace.Sep 21 08:12
msb__Skype is still down.  I just tried it.  CanSep 21 08:13
msb__'t log in.Sep 21 08:13
XRevan86msb__: I didn't know you have Skype.Sep 21 08:13
msb__It works with a pulseaudio emulator called apulse.Sep 21 08:13
XRevan86msb__: Yes, it does. Still.Sep 21 08:14
cubexyzMicrosoft acquired skype, that kind of ruins it for meSep 21 08:15
msb__I can understand how  you would feel that way.  I prefer to use IHU with Linux users.Sep 21 08:15
msb__Have you tried it?  Use the "static" one:  http://ihu.sourceforge.net/download.htmlSep 21 08:19
XRevan86msb__: I obviously did %).Sep 21 08:20
msb__XRevan86: updated it from qt3 to qt4Sep 21 08:20
msb__cubexyz: please install it and we'll try talkingSep 21 08:21
XRevan86msb__: Why not WebRTC?Sep 21 08:22
msb__cubexyz: are you there?Sep 21 08:46
msb__cubexyz: are you there?Sep 21 08:52
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msb__cubexyz: are you there?Sep 21 09:32
MinceR>it's good for people to have their computers join another botnetSep 21 09:41
MinceRwhat am i readingSep 21 09:42
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msb__An old grandfather told his grandson: My son, there is a battle Sep 21 09:52
msb__between two wolves inside us all. One is evil. It is anger, Sep 21 09:52
msb__jealousy, greed, and resentment. The other is good. It is joy, Sep 21 09:52
msb__love, hope, humility, kindness, empathy, and bravery.Sep 21 09:52
msb__The boy thought about it, and asked, Grandfather, which wolf wins?Sep 21 09:52
msb__The old man quietly replied, The one you feed.Sep 21 09:52
MinceRnot even one wolf fits inside the human body :>Sep 21 09:52
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jmatoswhat the hell was that last article accusing MSFT of violating the GPL for not releasing the source for Azure's backend?Sep 21 10:00
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jmatosThe GPL only requires distributing the source to whomever you distribute binaries to.Sep 21 10:01
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Microsoft Claims to Have Built ‘Windows’ on TopSep 21 10:02
TweetTuxMachines                 of Linux, But Where is the Source Code (GPL)?Sep 21 10:02
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/0OGasFlfzW (techrights.org)Sep 21 10:02
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntzpvSep 21 10:02
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linus Torvalds Announces Linux Kernel 4.3 RC2,Sep 21 10:02
TweetTuxMachines                 Things Are Looking Fairly Calm and SmallSep 21 10:02
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/J3kZgfA1EL (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 21 10:02
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntzpwSep 21 10:02
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jmatosDid I misread the article somehow, or was it really about software running on MSFT servers? Because they're under no obligation to disclose any of it.Sep 21 10:07
jmatosOf it were AGPL, they would be, but not GPL.Sep 21 10:07
jmatos*ifSep 21 10:07
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights http://t.co/6EgHmhTxunSep 21 10:42
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 21 10:42
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntzwySep 21 10:42
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     New to Linux? You Should Start Right Here -Sep 21 10:42
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    Lesson One: Introduction to LinuxSep 21 10:42
TweetTuxMachines @whosweedugg    http://t.co/7Mu3urcWpr (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 21 10:42
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/ntzwzSep 21 10:42
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DaemonFChmmmSep 21 12:51
DaemonFCI disabled ipv6 and my connection issues are gone.Sep 21 12:51
DaemonFCI guess I can limp around with Comcast for a few more weeks. After I move, I'm going with Frontier.Sep 21 12:52
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DaemonFC`http://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-combats-cyberattack-begins-ios-app-store-scrub/Sep 21 15:45
DaemonFC`At least 48 malicious apps have been found in Apple's app store.Sep 21 15:45
DaemonFC`Apple says identified malicious applications which circumvented the iOS App Store's security protocols have been removed to protect mobile users.Sep 21 15:50
DaemonFC`[..]Sep 21 15:50
DaemonFC`As previously reported by ZDNet, the first successful cyberattack launched against the iPad and iPhone maker's mobile app store is due to fraudulent versions of XCode, Apple's integrated development environment (IDE) and software library used to develop iOS and OS X apps.Sep 21 15:50
DaemonFC`At least 48 apps installed by millions of Apple device owners include malware, according to a Palo Alto Networks report.Sep 21 15:50
DaemonFC`The company's security team said the hackers behind the attack took a novel approach to dupe the App Store's processes.Sep 21 15:50
DaemonFC`When XCode was hosted on third-party servers rather than an official Apple domain, some versions would include hidden changes which allowed for the download and execution of malware. This, in turn, was able to bypass Apple's strict security checks.Sep 21 15:50
DaemonFC`The modified version has been dubbed XCodeGhost.Sep 21 15:50
DaemonFC`[...]Sep 21 15:50
DaemonFC`Known infected applications include an old version of WeChat -- which has since been cleaned and upgraded -- and China-related IM systems, banking apps, maps, stock trading apps and games, as well as China Unicom Mobile Office and Railway 12306, which is the only official way to buy train tickets in China.Sep 21 15:50
DaemonFC`Prior to this scenario, only five malicious applications have been discovered in the Apple iOS App Store.Sep 21 15:50
MinceRso much for the alleged security of a locked-down platformSep 21 15:52
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DaemonFC`http://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_rvt_np?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdPage=1&cdThread=Tx354GZN06CYQJD#CustomerDiscussionsNewSep 21 15:52
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DaemonFCI apologize for the random disconnects and whatnot. Comcast sucks.Sep 21 17:16
DaemonFCI hope to be rid of them in a week or two when I move.Sep 21 17:16
DaemonFCI canceled the tech appointment on Saturday because I'm through watching them walk around with their dick in their hand and then blame me for not renting their piece of shit equipment.Sep 21 17:17
DaemonFCMostly old folks live out here so they probably won't get anyone else on the hook when I leave.Sep 21 17:17
DaemonFCI'd switch from Comcast to Frontier here in Huntington if I didn't think I'd be moving very soon. Apparently, Frontier has old copper DSL that's up to 20 Mbps now. I never had a problem with copper DSL and not getting the speed I was paying for. I've mainly stuck to Comcast even though they're lousy because they basically buy you off to stay with them. I've been on some sort of promo for four years now.Sep 21 17:20
DaemonFCThey're like a slum landlord that doesn't fix anything but only charges you $60 a week in rent. Things fall apart, the rent gets cheaper. Eventually, they hope to sell it off to someone else to get it torn down.Sep 21 17:20
DaemonFCTheir merger offer to the FCC to approve the TimeWarner Cable deal was that Comcast would spin off their rural customers into a new company. This was supposed to solve the problem of one fewer broadband ISP in America, but it would have really just been another huge victory for Comcast. They unload all of the customers who make them less profit, and a bunch of aging dilapidated cable infrastructure that hasn't been up to snuff in years and Sep 21 17:23
DaemonFCwould cost a fortune to fix, and then keep all of the profitable big cities.Sep 21 17:23
DaemonFCComcast and other ISPs have also created a WiFi congestion problem in America by sending out billions of 2.4 Ghz band routers that mess each other up when there are too many in one area.Sep 21 17:26
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DaemonFCXFINITY - Ryan, I responded to your PM. Get back to me when you are able. Thanks. -FrankSep 21 17:44
DaemonFCRyan Farmer - Well, that ended with the "blame the customer-owned equipment instead of the power fluctuations on Comcast's line that the technician told me about personally" resolution. Canceled the tech appointment on Saturday. I'm moving soon. Let the next hostage sort this out.Sep 21 17:44
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DaemonFC`Volkswagon programmed their cars to figure out when an emissions inspection was being conducted, and to alter the way the engine operated to limit smog. When the inspection was over, the car would emit up to 40 times the legal amount of smog.Sep 21 17:51
DaemonFC`http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/feds-open-criminal-probe-of-volkswagens-emissions-violations/ar-AAeyZt3Sep 21 17:51
MinceRclassySep 21 17:51
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MinceRapparently only the japanese know how to make cars anymoreSep 21 17:52
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DaemonFC`They got away (for a while) with insisting that the emissions were due to technical glitches because the government didn't have access to the source code of the software that controls the emissions system.Sep 21 17:55
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DaemonFCI got pictures of Comcast's handywork, and sent them to the consumerist.Sep 21 18:52
DaemonFCCheck this shit out.Sep 21 18:52
DaemonFChttps://fbcdn-photos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-0/p280x280/12006077_422918771251493_7892691604965981226_n.jpg?oh=155e74dedd5644cee6788ce4c617de95&oe=56A174CA&__gda__=1449439533_a23189b0787db0f77399b4304b0f2242Sep 21 18:52
DaemonFCThere's the main box. There's a colony of wasps living in it.Sep 21 18:52
DaemonFChttps://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/12038526_422909644585739_2597068879587346778_n.jpg?oh=a7e188273eec623edd30755ac34db327&oe=569B9E33Sep 21 18:53
DaemonFChttps://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtl1/v/t1.0-9/12046710_422909654585738_3961346601684662288_n.jpg?oh=0ce8c91c431b1bce84b4ed004b202ac4&oe=569F4F47Sep 21 18:53
DaemonFChttps://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/12004026_422909664585737_1954919189703149252_n.jpg?oh=1df809d83c1db95710655bf616a84930&oe=569B9616Sep 21 18:53
MinceRlolSep 21 18:53
DaemonFChttps://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12003891_422909751252395_4497221897600460071_n.jpg?oh=3ed3e3a09be9d04bdcf149df068b529a&oe=56635F80Sep 21 18:53
MinceRmakes mowing the lawn fun, i'm sureSep 21 18:53
DaemonFCThere's what they did for another customer in our complex.Sep 21 18:54
DaemonFChttps://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-0/p280x280/11209455_422909264585777_8967485390786922433_n.jpg?oh=58e7c92586695f5e55d7e9376fb14291&oe=56ABEFB0Sep 21 18:54
DaemonFCThere's my box.Sep 21 18:54
DaemonFChttps://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-0/p370x247/12036941_422909277919109_406785813265197392_n.jpg?oh=72475812316ea683215d4ed3b944dff0&oe=56A71151Sep 21 18:54
DaemonFChttps://fbcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-0/p370x247/12032012_422909287919108_6349465711398606327_n.jpg?oh=d50d77180dbe0e296d28f717c61afa94&oe=5696DB99&__gda__=1449122985_d43db9d25774150dbff772e25f67e9f7Sep 21 18:54
DaemonFCMinceR, Yeah, I'll probably have to call that 1-800-Comcast number again when that happens and deal with them trying to make me pay $70 so they can walk around with their dick in their hand.Sep 21 18:58
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DaemonFCMinceR, The US auto companies own major shares of some of the most respected Japanese brands.Sep 21 20:02
DaemonFCI guess they must leave them alone to do their own engineering.Sep 21 20:02
MinceRand QASep 21 20:02
DaemonFCFord is still okay.Sep 21 20:02
DaemonFCI wouldn't drive a GM or Chrysler vehicle unless someone gave me one.Sep 21 20:03
MinceRford "engineers" believe it's a good idea to run m$ software on a carSep 21 20:03
MinceRi'd be hesitant to trust such people with my lifeSep 21 20:03
DaemonFCNot lately.Sep 21 20:03
DaemonFCFord Sync 3 uses QNX.Sep 21 20:03
MinceRthat's a slight reliefSep 21 20:03
DaemonFCI suppose if it's good enough for the Mars rovers it's good enough for a Ford. :)Sep 21 20:04
MinceRso, what did they do with the idiots who thought it was a good idea to run m$ software on a car?Sep 21 20:04
MinceRand what did they do with their "work"?Sep 21 20:04
MinceRi guess QNX is good enough if you don't have to use a mouse or an NIC :>Sep 21 20:04
DaemonFCMinceR, The GUI is similar, but that's about the only thing that was retained.Sep 21 20:06
DaemonFCThey had a lot of problems with the Microsoft stuff.Sep 21 20:06
DaemonFCSo, they quietly discontinued it.Sep 21 20:06
MinceRif they knew what they were doing, they should have seen that ahead of timeSep 21 20:06
DaemonFC"Ford cited issues with Microsoft's complex software dragging down its scores with Consumer Reports and other consumer magazines being a reason it switched to BlackBerry"Sep 21 20:07
DaemonFChttp://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/12/11/ford-sync-3/20234131/Sep 21 20:07
DaemonFC"The Ford-Microsoft relationship dates back to meetings between Bill Ford and Bill Gates and led to the introduction of Sync in 2007. But the Microsoft-based system has suffered from bugs over the years which affected quality scores for Ford and Lincoln vehicles."Sep 21 20:07
DaemonFCMinceR, My 1996 Ford was unaffected by this. :)Sep 21 20:08
DaemonFCThe less software that runs the car, the better.Sep 21 20:09
DaemonFCThey'll have to support the Microsoft models for some time though. Maybe they'll be burned enough to learn a lesson.Sep 21 20:10
MinceRno surpriseSep 21 20:10
MinceRback then m$ was busy wrecking our PCsSep 21 20:10
MinceRnot yet busy trying to kill us on the roadSep 21 20:10
DaemonFCJ. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Sep 21 20:16
DaemonFCThe only thing the Republicans think of as more evil than an American worker trying to provide for his family is a Mexican-American worker trying to do the same thing.Sep 21 20:16
DaemonFCI hope that this disgusting spectacle with Donald Trump goes on to convince them all that the Republican party is not your friend.Sep 21 20:16
DaemonFCIt still boggles the mind how he can have a 13% approval rating among them after saying things like "Mexico mostly sends us their worst." and practically accusing them all of being here to rape white women.Sep 21 20:16
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DaemonFChttp://consumerist.com/2015/09/21/apple-pulls-malware-infected-apps-after-app-store-suffers-its-first-major-breach/Sep 21 20:21
DaemonFCThe Consumerist is reporting the Apple malware fiasco. It could be up to 300 malicious apps in Apple's App Store according to one security company. If Apple pulled 48 of them, then that means more than 250 might still be in there.Sep 21 20:21
DaemonFC"Researchers at Palo Alto Networks, an online security company, said in a blog post that about 40 apps with bad code landed in the App Store, potentially affecting hundreds of millions of users. Chinese online security company Qihoo said it has found more than 300 infected apps, reports the New York Times, including some of China's most popular apps. Others included are available elsewhere as well, like WeChat, a messaging app with 500 Sep 21 20:21
DaemonFCmillion users."Sep 21 20:21
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DaemonFCJ. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Sep 21 20:56
DaemonFCThey're freaking out about their angry customers switching to Android en masse and tried creating a Move to iOS app on the Google Play Store.Sep 21 20:56
DaemonFCApple's policies forbid any app store developer from even saying "Android", so this is hypocritical. I downloaded it just to give it a 1 star review. They've been review ambushed by about 20,000 other people that did that.Sep 21 20:56
DaemonFCJ. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Sep 21 20:56
DaemonFChttp://en.yibada.com/articles/65219/20150920/apples-move-to-ios-android-app-easy-to-use-but-with-data-loss.htmSep 21 20:56
DaemonFCApparently, we're now getting word that Apple's Move to iOS app might not even actually move all your stuff to iOS. It will silently drop files like pictures at random without telling you, if the iOS device runs out of space, which is likely, considering the base models only have about 8-16 GB of storage. The base Galaxy S6 comes with 32.Sep 21 20:56
MinceRlolSep 21 20:56
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DaemonFCMinceR, Comcast perked up when I told them I plastered those photos all over my Facebook wall, Amazon Forums, Twitter, and sent a copy to The Consumerist.Sep 21 21:01
DaemonFCLosing one customer? Who cares. Damaging photos get to many people. Now they care.Sep 21 21:02
MinceRlolSep 21 21:03
DaemonFCI said to Comcast on Facebook:Sep 21 21:06
DaemonFCI think that they may have to do something with the box if that really is being used. I didn't hear the technician outside screaming in agony, so I presume it hasn't been given any attention in some time. It generally takes wasps an entire season to set up a colony that size, so please do tell him to be careful.Sep 21 21:06
MinceRlolSep 21 21:07
MinceRhe should bring a large dose of pyrethroidsSep 21 21:08
DaemonFChttp://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/09/microsoft-has-built-software-but-not-a-linux-distribution-for-its-software-switches/Sep 21 21:36
DaemonFCThey're pulling a Google.Sep 21 21:36
DaemonFCThey can do anything they want with it as long as it never leaves Microsoft.Sep 21 21:37
DaemonFCJason Ramos - iPhone users! Am I right? You ask an iPhone user how much memory his phone has and he says purple.Sep 21 22:00
MinceRlolSep 21 22:01
MinceR"i want the one with the more jeebees!"Sep 21 22:01
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msb_DaemonFC`: You can get a wasp bomb at the supermarket or hardware store that shoots a stream of liquid insecticide at a wasp nest from a safe distance.  Kills every one.Sep 21 23:33
msb_Then you knock it down with a garden hose, stomp any larvae, and throw the thing in the garbageSep 21 23:36
msb_Congratulate yourself on being of a more technologically advanced  species, and hope the karma doesn't get you in your next life.Sep 21 23:42
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msb_http://www.riseearth.com/2014/09/the-unstoppable-awakening-of-humanity.htmlSep 22 00:14
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msb_I guess  your wasps are on the ground.  You're not expecting the Comcast guy to kill them are you?  That's the homeowner's responsibility.  Their's is just to fix your service.Sep 22 00:57
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MinceRhttps://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12011156_942057732516669_6816384571148307362_n.jpg?oh=ad7da4a4a65a37ca5dc5b7e686dc47fb&oe=569EFAFBSep 22 09:39
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__martin__gosh i got pissed offSep 22 13:22
__martin__this garret uefi apologistSep 22 13:22
__martin__just cannot stop usingSep 22 13:22
__martin__bogus "IP" terminologySep 22 13:22
__martin__in his postsSep 22 13:22
__martin__genuine FLOSS advocateSep 22 13:23
__martin__..Sep 22 13:23
__martin__meanwhile in americasSep 22 13:28
__martin__the kid who dissasembled the ebay clockSep 22 13:28
__martin__gets a nasty gift from mr. presidentSep 22 13:29
__martin__surface pro 3Sep 22 13:29
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msb_This is good!  2nd option in VideoDownloadHelper gets the David Icke video as mp4.  http://www.riseearth.com/2014/09/the-unstoppable-awakening-of-humanity.htmlSep 22 13:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.riseearth.com | The Unstoppable Awakening of Humanity | RiseEarth [ http://ur1.ca/nua1c ]Sep 22 13:31
__martin__btw, that google's compression algorithm update is under apache 2.0Sep 22 13:33
__martin__apache license*Sep 22 13:33
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msb_That video 480x360, 6.5 minutes, is only 17MB.  Only about 3x the size of an mp3 song of the same length!Sep 22 13:36
__martin__(=Sep 22 13:36
__martin__actuallySep 22 13:37
__martin__it reminded me episode from silicon valley seriesSep 22 13:37
__martin__with their piedpiper start-upSep 22 13:37
__martin__:DDSep 22 13:37
msb_Syriza won, Jeremy Corbyn won, Bernie Sanders is  putting out a lot of great ideas, even Putin is trying to stabilize Syria.Sep 22 13:38
DaemonFCRyan FarmerSep 22 13:38
DaemonFCJust now · Sep 22 13:38
DaemonFCAn Oklahoma Christian pre-school teacher ordered a 4 year old to write with his right hand, because "the devil is often portrayed as left-handed".Sep 22 13:38
DaemonFCI guess that would explain Ronald (6 letters) Wilson (6 letters) Reagan (6 letters), who was left-handed.Sep 22 13:38
__martin__italian pm renzi is bit**ing corbyn alreadySep 22 13:38
__martin__renzi = new tony blairSep 22 13:38
__martin__when i've been to veniceSep 22 13:38
__martin__in late maySep 22 13:39
__martin__at one corner of a building next to the dockyardSep 22 13:39
__martin__there were under the roofSep 22 13:39
MinceRhttps://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11949558_1055282981182707_796602506834544818_n.jpg?oh=5fffa5d55f92d3723320abe63c185ab2&oe=569E809BSep 22 13:39
__martin__six CCTV cams..Sep 22 13:39
__martin__6Sep 22 13:39
MinceRand a partridge in a pear treeSep 22 13:39
__martin__at one placeSep 22 13:39
__martin__MinceR: :_D yaySep 22 13:40
__martin__you two apparently hate each other a bitSep 22 13:40
MinceRlolSep 22 13:40
__martin__or just like to troll me on both waysSep 22 13:40
__martin__but waitSep 22 13:41
__martin__intelligent awakened personsSep 22 13:41
msb_Chemtrails come from govt:  http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/Sep 22 13:41
__martin__suppress all the hate right?Sep 22 13:41
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MinceRyeah, and they turn the other cheekSep 22 13:42
MinceRand then get killedSep 22 13:42
msb_I think one of the most important aspects of the change is from left-brain sequential-logical to right-brain associative-dreamy-lyrical.Sep 22 13:50
msb_I think that's one of the things that psychedelics like cannabis do.Sep 22 13:51
MinceRiirc the whole "left-brain/right-brain" thing is a gross oversimplificationSep 22 13:52
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msb___martin__: What I'm saying has nothing to do with trolling.  It's stuff that I've recently come across and also have been working on for a while.Sep 22 13:53
__martin__what if i am a half-left hander?Sep 22 13:56
__martin__writing with left, cutting with rightSep 22 13:56
MinceRthen you break their modelSep 22 13:57
MinceRand they'll resent you for itSep 22 13:57
msb_I don't know how left-handedness relates to the two-brains idea. Sep 22 13:57
msb_But everyone has the two _minds_, no matter where they're located.Sep 22 13:58
msb_So maybe it's better to talk about a shift to the associative/imagining/lyrical _mind_.Sep 22 13:59
__martin__msb_: Sep 22 14:38
__martin__i especially liked the part in that vidSep 22 14:39
__martin__telling aboutSep 22 14:39
__martin__how there is no real needSep 22 14:39
__martin__for any such lawsSep 22 14:39
__martin__concerning murders Sep 22 14:39
__martin__when folks have their minds rightSep 22 14:39
__martin__but unfortunatelySep 22 14:39
__martin__the reality i live in isSep 22 14:39
__martin__that my father is burreaucratSep 22 14:39
__martin__catching up with all the latest "enviro laws" [sic]Sep 22 14:40
__martin__that won't have any measurable effectSep 22 14:40
__martin__and are just getting more obstructedSep 22 14:40
__martin__with every novelizationSep 22 14:40
__martin__or how you call that processSep 22 14:40
__martin__of "upgrading" a "law" [sic]Sep 22 14:40
__martin__(=Sep 22 14:40
__martin__tspiras is going to have to ramp up taxesSep 22 14:41
__martin__ballot turnout was lowSep 22 14:41
__martin__people don't care about voting system anymoreSep 22 14:42
__martin__is it still relevant.. that the HQ of M$ were the first ever on the globe that were destroyed or rampantly damaged during a civil unrest with no occurence elsewhere?Sep 22 14:43
__martin__i thought that students in argentina did the sameSep 22 14:43
__martin__wellSep 22 14:43
*__martin__ must have asked fauno from parabola.nu projectSep 22 14:43
msb_Icke was talking about the future many years from now.  The laws are necessary now.Sep 22 14:45
msb_The whole capitalist economic system needs restructuring or elimination.  While technology can now produce plenty for everyone, it's reducing the number of jobs so creating more poverty, which is an insane result.Sep 22 14:47
msb_The enormous maldistribution of wealth is also insane.Sep 22 14:48
__martin__if only we could read warren buffet's mindSep 22 14:49
__martin__for more insightSep 22 14:49
__martin__direct oneSep 22 14:49
__martin__yest. i was looking at propaganda page of mr. gatesSep 22 14:51
__martin__globalcitizen.orgSep 22 14:51
msb_Worker-owned co-op businesses must be part of the solution.  Or socialist-redistributive governments.Sep 22 14:52
msb_"private property" is great for individuals, but for the ultra-wealthy causes poverty for everyone else.Sep 22 14:53
__martin__wellSep 22 14:54
__martin__what do we doSep 22 14:54
msb_Talk about it widely, for one thing.Sep 22 14:54
__martin__wait unless more factories got rid of human labourSep 22 14:54
__martin__and help organize the follow-up civic unrestSep 22 14:55
msb_There's plenty of cause for civic unrest now.Sep 22 14:55
__martin__well yesSep 22 14:55
__martin__but folks out there are numbed to violenceSep 22 14:56
__martin__i forgotSep 22 14:56
msb_The important thing is not violence, but information, communication, organization.  Internet and Linux big help!Sep 22 14:57
__martin__but data silos have taken appropriate measures not to be distracted with shrieking geeksSep 22 14:58
__martin__i mean effective censorshipSep 22 14:58
msb_XRevan86 just turned me on to Firefox Hello, a nice audio/video comm system, alternate to skype.Sep 22 14:58
__martin__know itSep 22 14:59
__martin__registered ff acc already when i first ran up fxos market for agpl im appSep 22 14:59
__martin__regards software i try to infiltrate gaming communitiesSep 22 14:59
__martin__and open up eyes of othersSep 22 14:59
msb_yes!Sep 22 15:00
__martin__but i paid dearlySep 22 15:00
__martin__with reputationSep 22 15:00
msb_There are plenty of uncensored alternative news services.Sep 22 15:01
__martin__when i did not underline my preaching with proper argumentsSep 22 15:01
__martin__so there is space to better myself upSep 22 15:01
msb_Global Research  http://www.globalresearch.ca/Sep 22 15:01
msb_Op-Ed News  http://www.opednews.com/Sep 22 15:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | Global Research - Centre for Research on GlobalizationSep 22 15:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.opednews.com | Opednews.com Progressive, Liberal United States and International News, Opinion, Op-Eds and PoliticsSep 22 15:01
msb_Truth-Out  http://www.truth-out.org/Sep 22 15:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.truth-out.org | Truthout | Fearless, Independent News and OpinionSep 22 15:01
msb_Free Critical Thinking  http://freecriticalthinking.org/Sep 22 15:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freecriticalthinking.org | HomeSep 22 15:01
msb_Paul Craig Roberts  http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/Sep 22 15:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.paulcraigroberts.org | Paul Craig Roberts - Official HomepageSep 22 15:01
msb_Common Dreams  http://www.commondreams.org/Sep 22 15:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commondreams.org | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for the Progressive CommunitySep 22 15:01
msb_TomDispatch  http://www.tomdispatch.com/Sep 22 15:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tomdispatch.com | TomDispatchSep 22 15:01
msb_TeleSUR  http://www.telesurtv.net/english/index.htmlSep 22 15:01
msb_New Eastern Outlook  http://journal-neo.org/Sep 22 15:01
msb_Russia Today  http://www.rt.com/Sep 22 15:01
__martin__http://presstv.ir/Sep 22 15:02
msb_Thanks, added to list.Sep 22 15:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-journal-neo.org | New Eastern OutlookSep 22 15:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | RTSep 22 15:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-presstv.ir | PressTV - HomepageSep 22 15:02
DaemonFCJ. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Sep 22 15:07
DaemonFCActually, Christians hate atheists worse than Muslims according to polls. They are under the delusion that ethics and morals come from the bible. When you read the bible, it should be obvious that it's not a source of good ethics or morals.Sep 22 15:07
DaemonFCI noticed that the Science Fiction section at the local library was a bit sparse, so I moved all of "The Bible" from the History Channel over to that section to fill in the gaps. I put it over next to the Stargate SG-1, which was about elite groups of United States Air Force units that spent ten seasons kicking the butts of false gods.Sep 22 15:07
__martin__fyiSep 22 15:12
__martin__beginning with firefox 41Sep 22 15:12
__martin__hello has text messagingSep 22 15:13
__martin__as you may have noted from the release notesSep 22 15:13
__martin__prior had just voice/videoSep 22 15:13
__martin__then there is tox.chat / mumble.sourceforge.net / matrix.orgSep 22 15:14
__martin__all of themSep 22 15:14
__martin__such a decent alternativesSep 22 15:14
__martin__evenSep 22 15:18
__martin__diaspora should have imSep 22 15:18
__martin__in some dev branchSep 22 15:18
__martin__somehowSep 22 15:18
__martin__my friends think am putting malwareSep 22 15:19
__martin__into their androidsSep 22 15:19
__martin__whence setting up jabberSep 22 15:19
__martin__but what worries me the mostSep 22 15:19
__martin__is Sep 22 15:19
__martin__attention span of peopleSep 22 15:19
__martin__lack of concentrationSep 22 15:19
__martin__proofreadingSep 22 15:20
__martin__anythingSep 22 15:20
msb_There are so many communication methods on the Net that censorship is impossible.  Everyone can have an uncensored website, which is a _broadcast_ site, for $10/month.Sep 22 15:20
msb_Hopefully when given good examples to follow, the great unwashed masses will become less goofy.Sep 22 15:21
__martin__how about that outskirts protest with navalniy?Sep 22 15:24
__martin__any outcomes?Sep 22 15:24
msb_Alexei Navalny, Russian critic?Sep 22 15:26
__martin__yesSep 22 15:26
__martin__is he paid for that agenda or doing it from inner persuation?Sep 22 15:26
msb_Never heard of him til now.Sep 22 15:26
msb_Please give a link to his ideas/protest.Sep 22 15:27
XRevan86msb_: You didn't hear about Alexey Navalny?Sep 22 15:27
msb_nopeSep 22 15:27
XRevan86msb_: He's a "national liberalist".Sep 22 15:27
XRevan86pro-NATOSep 22 15:28
msb_This is instructive:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_NavalnySep 22 15:29
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XRevan86He did some good stuff in current regime critisism.Sep 22 15:30
msb_Could be US agent?Sep 22 15:30
XRevan86but he's mostly a moronSep 22 15:30
XRevan86msb_: If question is whether US pays him, I have no idea.Sep 22 15:31
msb_HeSep 22 15:32
msb_He's not getting reported on by RT.  8^)Sep 22 15:32
__martin__yesSep 22 15:33
__martin__it's funnySep 22 15:33
__martin__how domestic coverage of affairsSep 22 15:33
__martin__limits itself to military paradesSep 22 15:33
__martin__majority of the timeSep 22 15:33
__martin__butSep 22 15:33
__martin__snowden/assange gets regularsSep 22 15:33
msb_On one recent RT show, a journalist blamed Putin for 8,000 deaths in Donbass because he promised to protect the people there, and when they asked for autonomy and were shelled by the Kiev Nazi govt, Putin did nothing.Sep 22 15:35
XRevan86msb_: You know my opinion.Sep 22 15:35
__martin__it's a deadlockSep 22 15:36
__martin__he grabs more of crimeaSep 22 15:36
__martin__un shells his troopsSep 22 15:36
__martin__he withdaws strengthened border watchSep 22 15:36
__martin__he looses reputation at homeSep 22 15:36
__martin__..Sep 22 15:36
__martin__just my two centsSep 22 15:36
__martin__hits his*Sep 22 15:36
__martin__nato**Sep 22 15:37
msb_right, not UNSep 22 15:37
msb_700,000 refugees from Ukraine have come to Russia!Sep 22 15:37
msb_Since the Nazi takeover.Sep 22 15:38
__martin__culture remixSep 22 15:38
msb_Or "Banderist" as the journalists put it.Sep 22 15:38
__martin__aging europe > breeding mashupSep 22 15:38
XRevan86__martin__: Culture remix?Sep 22 15:38
__martin__overpopulated asia >> shiny new vaccinesSep 22 15:39
XRevan86msb_: I even personally know a guy who migrated to St. Petersburg from Ukraine to avoid being called to army.Sep 22 15:39
msb_"Euthanasia for youth in Asia"Sep 22 15:40
XRevan86GNU/Linux user, journalist.Sep 22 15:40
msb_It's not culture.  Russians don't like Nazis.  They have long memories.Sep 22 15:40
XRevan86What cultures are you talking about?Sep 22 15:41
__martin__me personallySep 22 15:41
__martin__was talking about mostly conservative christian europeSep 22 15:41
__martin__and more open-minded islamic refugees coming upSep 22 15:41
__martin__they might slow down population agingSep 22 15:41
__martin__that's itSep 22 15:41
XRevan86__martin__: Ah, I thought you were talking about Russia.Sep 22 15:42
msb_Are any Islamics open-minded?  Seems to me that religion turns people into programmed robots.Sep 22 15:44
__martin__wellSep 22 15:44
__martin__let's assume i might have picked wrong adjective for thatSep 22 15:45
__martin__but we shall see if merkel can transform them into ruby codersSep 22 15:45
__martin__yetSep 22 15:45
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msb_That would be nice.  Ruby is great!Sep 22 15:45
XRevan86msb_: Yes, religion does that.Sep 22 15:45
msb_Judeo-Christian-Islamic religion does that.  Not Wicca.Sep 22 15:46
msb_XRevan86: The Cosmic Church of the Orgone Goddess sends blessings upon you!Sep 22 15:48
msb_and your Cat!Sep 22 15:48
XRevan86msb_: Slacky Church of the name of Patrick Volkerding sends slackbuilds upon you!Sep 22 15:49
msb_Thank you!  I can always use more Slack!Sep 22 15:50
__martin__nice (=Sep 22 15:53
__martin__the mouse ir dongleSep 22 15:53
__martin__interferes with my audio jack cableSep 22 15:53
__martin__lolSep 22 15:54
msb_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SlackwareSep 22 15:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Slackware - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaSep 22 15:54
__martin__salix is nice for a startSep 22 15:54
__martin__with xfceSep 22 15:54
msb_No public software repository?  No dependency resolution of software packages?Sep 22 15:54
XRevan86msb_: Sounds like Slackware.Sep 22 15:55
msb_Sounds like a bit too much slack.Sep 22 15:55
DaemonFCHuntington City-Township Public Library celebrating successSep 22 15:56
DaemonFCSeptember 17 at 10:32am · Sep 22 15:56
DaemonFCThe TAB has added our article online - we're happy and proud to share!Sep 22 15:56
DaemonFChttp://www.huntingtoncountytab.com/feature/35146/residents-liking-huntington-markle-libraries-more-circulation-surgesSep 22 15:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.huntingtoncountytab.com | Residents liking Huntington, Markle libraries more as circulation surges | Huntington County Tab [ http://ur1.ca/nuayh ]Sep 22 15:56
DaemonFCRyan Farmer I wish the Science Fiction section was stocked as well as the Religious section. I have an idea. Move the History Channel's "The Bible" series over near the Stargate SG-1. Problem solved. Or, you know, maybe they could pick up Stargate SG-1 for an eleventh series and do some cross-branding, and we find out that God is a Goa'uld System Lord.Sep 22 15:56
msb_Do his eyes glow?  We know his bush burns.Sep 22 15:57
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DaemonFCRyan Farmer I had to call several times to have The Huntington Tab stop littering my doorstep. Their letters to the editor are always someone screaming about Jesus or Obama or wind farms, and the paper is too course to use as bathroom tissue, so you can see the problem.Sep 22 15:59
DaemonFCcoarseSep 22 15:59
DaemonFCdamned autocorrectSep 22 15:59
__martin__regards volkswagen's emissions firmware Sep 22 16:00
__martin__"EPA is asking the Copyright Office to leave copyright law in place as a barrier to a wide range of activities that are perfectly legal under environmental regulations: ecomodding that actually improves emissions and fuel economy, modification of vehicles for off-road racing, or activities that have nothing to do with pollution. The EPA is undermining its own ability to issue nuanced regulation in tSep 22 16:00
msb_burn in fireplace in winter?Sep 22 16:00
__martin__his space, as well as its ability to learn about large-scale violations of the law committed by manufacturers."Sep 22 16:00
XRevan86msb_: There's a very old Russian meme, saying that Patrick is God :).Sep 22 16:01
msb_XRevan86: Have you seen the TV series Stargate SG-1?  It's very good.  Has a scientific genius woman.Sep 22 16:03
XRevan86msb_: I did, also SG:A and SG:U.Sep 22 16:03
msb_I love the episode where she goes into a dimensional mirror and enters an alternate reality where she meets herself and they work together!Sep 22 16:08
__martin__"a Microsoft researcher worked with computer scientists from West Virginia University and UC Santa Barbara to create a Twitter platform called "Botivist," which acts as a tool for activists to recruit volunteers on social media for campaigns"Sep 22 16:27
__martin__"As for Microsoft’s involvement, the paper appears on the company's research site, although Savage said she was told not to talk about the company’s involvement. The Microsoft researcher, Andres Monroy-Hernandez, did not respond to my request for comment on why Microsoft took part in the work. The paper will be presented at the 2016 ACM conference on Computer-Supported Cooperative Work and SociaSep 22 16:28
__martin__l Computing, according to Microsoft’s site."Sep 22 16:28
__martin__it impresses meSep 22 16:28
__martin__in what waysSep 22 16:28
__martin__they try to monetizeSep 22 16:28
__martin__yaySep 22 16:37
__martin__msb_: you say associative brain..Sep 22 16:37
__martin__:_DDSep 22 16:37
__martin__http://motherboard.vice.com/read/president-kanye-westSep 22 16:37
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__martin__brain said to me >> rottentomatoes.com/http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/idiocracy/Sep 22 16:37
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msb_brb#2Sep 22 16:38
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msb_back nowSep 22 17:23
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msb_Kanye West is quite a colorful guy!  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanye_West  I guess he does represent a possible example of a President favoring his associative/lyrical mind.Sep 22 17:45
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msb_I don't understand the connection with Idiocracy.  We need both minds, cooperating, neither dominant.Sep 22 17:46
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MinceR215610 < DaemonFC> Ryan Farmer I wish the Science Fiction section was stocked as well as the Religious section. I have an idea. Move the History Channel's "The Bible" Sep 22 18:29
MinceR                   series over near the Stargate SG-1. Problem solved. Or, you know, maybe they could pick up Stargate SG-1 for an eleventh series and do some Sep 22 18:29
MinceR                   cross-branding, and we find out that God is a Goa'uld System Lord.Sep 22 18:29
MinceRyahweh == the OriSep 22 18:29
MinceRand the ori got their asses kicked :>Sep 22 18:29
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MinceRDaemonFC: Sep 22 20:58
MinceR002926 < MinceR> yahweh == the OriSep 22 20:58
MinceR002931 < MinceR> and the ori got their asses kicked :>Sep 22 20:58
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DaemonFCJ. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Sep 23 02:38
DaemonFCYou have to hand it to a guy who manages to go from "nobody has ever heard of him until today" to "most hated man in America" in a matter of hours.Sep 23 02:38
DaemonFCI don't think that Shkreli would have any problems becoming a "card-carrying" member of the Republican Party, except that he may be too open about his views. His views probably aren't too much different than Paul Ryan's.Sep 23 02:38
DaemonFCHopefully, his SEC case goes so well that he ends up in prison over cheating some other rich people. It's about the best we can hope for.Sep 23 02:38
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cubexyzmy own stats for web browsers:Sep 23 03:24
cubexyzFirefox 40%Sep 23 03:24
cubexyzChrome 30%Sep 23 03:24
cubexyzIE 12%Sep 23 03:24
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TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nue6sSep 23 03:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Bitcoin micropayments device runs Linux on Raspberry Pi | Tux MachinesSep 23 03:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Updates to Firefox Accounts and Firefox HelloSep 23 03:56
TweetTuxMachines                 Beta http://t.co/vwZS4fdfAWSep 23 03:56
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 03:56
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nue6tSep 23 03:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Updates to Firefox Accounts and Firefox Hello Beta | Tux MachinesSep 23 03:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux doesn't get in my waySep 23 03:56
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/YmXqcMPHT9 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 03:56
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nue6uSep 23 03:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux doesn't get in my way | Tux MachinesSep 23 03:56
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     m23 Rock 15.2 Linux Deployment Tool SupportsSep 23 04:44
TweetTuxMachines                 Debian 8, Linux Mint 17.2, and systemdSep 23 04:44
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/eElbNN2h0B (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 04:44
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nueclSep 23 04:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | m23 Rock 15.2 Linux Deployment Tool Supports Debian 8, Linux Mint 17.2, and systemd | Tux MachinesSep 23 04:44
*TweetTuxMachines @Cpzhao followed @tuxmachinesSep 23 04:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     What's New in Ubuntu 15.10Sep 23 04:44
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/xeTGUOr3bX (news.softpedia.com)Sep 23 04:44
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuecmSep 23 04:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | What's New in Ubuntu 15.10 - SoftpediaSep 23 04:44
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     "I purchased the original MIPS Creator CI20 andSep 23 05:18
TweetTuxMachines                 the Raspberry Pi 2 on their release." Sep 23 05:18
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/Lpxfwgrg4y (gofk.tumblr.com)Sep 23 05:18
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuehvSep 23 05:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gofk.tumblr.com | gofk Blog — Creator CI20 - Debian 8 beta image I purchased...Sep 23 05:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Edward Snowden's Favorite Anonymous Live CD,Sep 23 05:18
TweetTuxMachines                 Tails, Updates Tor Browser and I2PSep 23 05:18
TweetTuxMachines                  http://t.co/djDPGL5Pan (linux.softpedia.com)Sep 23 05:18
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuehwSep 23 05:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com | Edward Snowden's Favorite Anonymous Live CD, Tails, Updates Tor Browser and I2P - SoftpediaSep 23 05:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     In the Seed of a Raspberry Is the Future ofSep 23 05:18
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux http://t.co/y73kWx4uPG (fossforce.com)Sep 23 05:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | In the Seed of a Raspberry Is the Future of Linux | FOSS ForceSep 23 05:18
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuehySep 23 05:18
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Edward Snowden's Favorite Anonymous Live CD,Sep 23 05:19
TweetTuxMachines                 Tails, Updates Tor Browser and I2PSep 23 05:19
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/rHslv3gucI (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 05:19
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuehzSep 23 05:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Edward Snowden's Favorite Anonymous Live CD, Tails, Updates Tor Browser and I2P | Tux MachinesSep 23 05:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     In the Seed of a Raspberry Is the Future ofSep 23 05:19
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux http://t.co/b9oZwfKTMQSep 23 05:19
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 05:19
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuei0Sep 23 05:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     How to earn respect as a leaderSep 23 05:19
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/LPxhA6wvRv (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 05:19
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuei1Sep 23 05:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | In the Seed of a Raspberry Is the Future of Linux | Tux MachinesSep 23 05:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to earn respect as a leader | Tux MachinesSep 23 05:19
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos http://t.co/Fklbm2YjjFSep 23 05:41
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 05:41
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nueliSep 23 05:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesSep 23 05:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights http://t.co/FHTctgRyFtSep 23 05:41
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 05:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesSep 23 05:41
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nueljSep 23 05:41
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tiny µQseven module runs Android and Linux onSep 23 05:41
TweetTuxMachines                 i.MX6 http://t.co/HK4H1F4tCI (linuxgizmos.com)Sep 23 05:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Tiny µQseven module runs Android and Linux on i.MX6 ·  LinuxGizmos.comSep 23 05:41
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuelkSep 23 05:41
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     SOMA, Frictional Games Latest Horror &Sep 23 06:37
TweetTuxMachines                 Adventure Game Released For Linux, Some InitialSep 23 06:37
TweetTuxMachines                 Thoughts http://t.co/nYevMOeWCwSep 23 06:37
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.gamingonlinux.com)Sep 23 06:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | SOMA, Frictional Games Latest Horror & Adventure Game Released For Linux, Some Initial Thoughts | GamingOnLinuxSep 23 06:37
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nueudSep 23 06:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Yes, the FCC might ban your operating systemSep 23 06:37
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/oJ0XpzWBZc (prpl.works)Sep 23 06:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-prpl.works | Yes, the FCC might ban your operating system | prpl.worksSep 23 06:37
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nueueSep 23 06:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Kernel 4.2.1 Is Out for Grabs with ARM,Sep 23 06:37
TweetTuxMachines                 Intel i915, and XFS ImprovementsSep 23 06:37
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/Nmg8Ia1kVD (news.softpedia.com)Sep 23 06:37
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nueufSep 23 06:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Linux Kernel 4.2.1 Is Out for Grabs with ARM, Intel i915, and XFS Improvements - SoftpediaSep 23 06:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tiny µQseven module runs Android and Linux onSep 23 06:38
TweetTuxMachines                 i.MX6 http://t.co/iHH955XSDySep 23 06:38
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 06:38
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nueuhSep 23 06:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tiny µQseven module runs Android and Linux on i.MX6 | Tux MachinesSep 23 06:38
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Gaming Leftovers http://t.co/OmytM0h3ZUSep 23 06:38
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 06:38
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nueuiSep 23 06:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Gaming Leftovers | Tux MachinesSep 23 06:38
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Upload Photos On Flickr With Frogr FlickrSep 23 06:38
TweetTuxMachines                 Upload Client For Linux http://t.co/mz8Y8PvwCdSep 23 06:38
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 06:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Upload Photos On Flickr With Frogr Flickr Upload Client For Linux | Tux MachinesSep 23 06:38
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nueujSep 23 06:38
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Yes, the FCC might ban your operating systemSep 23 06:38
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/Z8TsXLMnv6 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 06:38
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nueukSep 23 06:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Yes, the FCC might ban your operating system | Tux MachinesSep 23 06:38
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Kernel Releases http://t.co/uPlMrPdeqQSep 23 07:47
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 07:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel Releases | Tux MachinesSep 23 07:47
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuf4nSep 23 07:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Today in Techrights http://t.co/FHTctgRyFtSep 23 07:47
TweetTuxMachines retweeted by    (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 07:47
TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz    Sep 23 07:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesSep 23 07:47
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuf1bSep 23 07:47
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MinceRhttp://www.commitstrip.com/en/2015/09/22/software-worth-billions/Sep 23 08:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.commitstrip.com | Software worth billions… | CommitStrip - Blog relating the daily life of web agencies developers [ http://ur1.ca/nufen ]Sep 23 08:36
msb_Drug whose price was raised from $13 to $750 per pill costs $1/pill to produce.Sep 23 08:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tizen 2.4 beta SDK IntroductionSep 23 09:04
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/pzoD88kzwa (www.tizenexperts.com)Sep 23 09:04
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nufjtSep 23 09:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com | [Video] Tizen 2.4 beta SDK Introduction - Tizen ExpertsSep 23 09:04
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Touch OTA-7 Delayed for October 19Sep 23 09:04
TweetTuxMachines                 Because of Chinese Golden WeekSep 23 09:04
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/DX1KSN66TC (news.softpedia.com)Sep 23 09:04
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nufjuSep 23 09:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch OTA-7 Delayed for October 19 Because of Chinese Golden Week - SoftpediaSep 23 09:04
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     "it's highly likely that Volkswagen vehiclesSep 23 09:25
TweetTuxMachines                 have Linux in them." http://t.co/VgMRV6fXFFSep 23 09:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ebb.org | The EPA Deserves Software Freedom, Too - Bradley M. Kuhn ( Brad ) ( bkuhn )Sep 23 09:25
TweetTuxMachines                 (ebb.org)Sep 23 09:25
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nufoaSep 23 09:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tizen Releases http://t.co/9GXKvmBNqZSep 23 09:25
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 09:25
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nufobSep 23 09:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tizen Releases | Tux MachinesSep 23 09:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     OSS Leftovers http://t.co/30RsHFDX7qSep 23 09:25
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 09:25
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nufocSep 23 09:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OSS Leftovers | Tux MachinesSep 23 09:25
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Leftovers http://t.co/Wm5ekGG9GTSep 23 09:25
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 09:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Leftovers | Tux MachinesSep 23 09:25
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nufogSep 23 09:25
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Fedora 23 Beta and More http://t.co/7TUH6NBlmRSep 23 10:53
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 10:53
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nug6lSep 23 10:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora 23 Beta and More | Tux MachinesSep 23 10:53
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The EPA Deserves Software Freedom, TooSep 23 10:53
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/qzfpy385sB (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 10:53
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nug6mSep 23 10:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The EPA Deserves Software Freedom, Too | Tux MachinesSep 23 10:53
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msb_Hoo-ha I am installing the latest Ruby 2.2.3!  Sep 23 15:48
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos http://t.co/momWZltwWlSep 23 16:29
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 16:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesSep 23 16:29
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuhvpSep 23 16:29
*TweetTuxMachines @linuxaio favourited 'Linux AIO Announces an All-In-One ISO Image with...'Sep 23 16:29
*TweetTuxMachines @linuxaio favourited 'Linux AIO Announces an All-In-One ISO Image with...'Sep 23 17:03
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Changes at TechrightsSep 23 17:03
TweetTuxMachines                  http://t.co/otXgNzCxhs (techrights.org)Sep 23 17:03
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nui1jSep 23 17:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Changes at Techrights | TechrightsSep 23 17:03
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     7 years of Android: A painful journey to worldSep 23 17:03
TweetTuxMachines                 dominance http://t.co/BkniiGyvB7Sep 23 17:03
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.welivesecurity.com)Sep 23 17:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.welivesecurity.com | 7 years of Android: A painful journey to world dominanceSep 23 17:03
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nui1kSep 23 17:03
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tips for Improving the Linux Desktop SecuritySep 23 17:39
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/0Snw42821w (neurogadget.com)Sep 23 17:39
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nui82Sep 23 17:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-neurogadget.com | Tips for Improving the Linux Desktop Security - Neurogadget.comSep 23 17:39
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNOME 3.18 http://t.co/pluYdW3RjO (lwn.net)Sep 23 17:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lwn.net | GNOME 3.18 [LWN.net]Sep 23 17:39
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nui83Sep 23 17:39
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     7 years of Android: A painful journey to worldSep 23 17:39
TweetTuxMachines                 dominance http://t.co/gRXhw6uvA1Sep 23 17:39
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 17:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 7 years of Android: A painful journey to world dominance | Tux MachinesSep 23 17:39
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nui84Sep 23 17:39
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Being Thoughtful About FOSS HistorySep 23 18:23
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/yQHKBO2S7A (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 18:23
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuifjSep 23 18:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Being Thoughtful About FOSS History | Tux MachinesSep 23 18:24
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Security http://t.co/r2no3r77qRSep 23 18:24
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 18:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Security | Tux MachinesSep 23 18:24
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuifkSep 23 18:24
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNOME 3.18 and More http://t.co/yq6AprwlzwSep 23 18:24
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tuxmachines.org)Sep 23 18:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME 3.18 and More | Tux MachinesSep 23 18:24
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuiflSep 23 18:24
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Media Filled With Spin and Lies AmidSep 23 19:15
TweetTuxMachines                 Microsoft’s Admission of Internal Usage (andSep 23 19:15
TweetTuxMachines                 Modification) of GNU/LinuxSep 23 19:15
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/IRo0l6tfhP (techrights.org)Sep 23 19:15
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuiodSep 23 19:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Media Filled With Spin and Lies Amid Microsoft’s Admission of Internal Usage (and Modification) of GNU/Linux | TechrightsSep 23 19:15
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Video: GNOME 3.18 Released: Brings BigSep 23 19:19
TweetTuxMachines                 Improvements https://t.co/IRrwRWHAzvSep 23 19:19
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.gnome.org) announcement:Sep 23 19:19
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/EKuRysrD9p (permalink.gmane.org)Sep 23 19:19
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuiohSep 23 19:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnome.org | GNOME 3.18 Released: Brings Big Improvements – GNOMESep 23 19:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-permalink.gmane.org | NO TITLESep 23 19:20
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     KDE Apps 15.08.1 have landed in Kubuntu WilySep 23 19:23
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/OTxeo8lvfK (wire.kubuntu.org) dueSep 23 19:23
TweetTuxMachines                 out next month.Sep 23 19:23
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuipbSep 23 19:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wire.kubuntu.org | KDE Apps 15.08.1 have landed in Kubuntu Wily | Kubuntu WireSep 23 19:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Autodesk open sources Linux-based 3D printerSep 23 19:28
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/uHmQjmbhJK (linuxgizmos.com)Sep 23 19:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Autodesk open sources Linux-based 3D printer ·  LinuxGizmos.comSep 23 19:28
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuiqmSep 23 19:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tizen 2.4 Beta Software Test Program BeginsSep 23 19:29
TweetTuxMachines                 Roll Out in India http://t.co/VpBopbiqlDSep 23 19:29
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.tizenexperts.com)Sep 23 19:29
TweetTuxMachines........................................  http://ur1.ca/nuiqnSep 23 19:29
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Making the switch from Windows to LinuxSep 23 19:29
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/LWRJKaNEn3 (freedompenguin.com)Sep 23 19:29
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MinceRhttps://www.youbetrayedus.org/Sep 23 20:59
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MinceRhttp://www.madmagazine.com/blog/2015/09/23/road-trick-a-magazine-wed-like-to-seeSep 23 21:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.madmagazine.com | Road & Trick: A Magazine We’d Like to See | Mad Magazine [ http://ur1.ca/nujgd ]Sep 23 21:57
msb_http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/09/23/russias-false-hopes-paul-craig-roberts/Sep 23 22:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.paulcraigroberts.org | Russia’s False Hopes -- Paul Craig Roberts - PaulCraigRoberts.org [ http://ur1.ca/nujij ]Sep 23 22:11
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cubexyzMicrosoft was never an "open source company"Sep 24 00:02
cubexyzthe very idea is ridiculous, they are a closed source company Sep 24 00:02
cubexyzMicrosoft has violated the GPL beforeSep 24 00:04
cubexyzwith their Windows 7 USB/DVD Download ToolSep 24 00:05
cubexyzI hear silly complaints all the time: "It's hard to do closed source on Linux" HA!Sep 24 00:10
cubexyzUnix is about source code, it's not about binary compatibilitySep 24 00:12
cubexyzThe Unix paradigm is NOT good for closed source software developers, and that's a good thingSep 24 00:14
cubexyzMicrosoft did actually try to do that... it was called XenixSep 24 00:16
cubexyzeventually they stopped, shoved it over to SCOSep 24 00:16
cubexyzwas Xenix open source? Of course notSep 24 00:16
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cubexyzok, small update on computer longevity...Sep 24 01:50
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/computer-longevity.txtSep 24 01:50
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cubexyzAcer monitors are OK.... but Acer laptops kind of suckSep 24 01:52
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__martin__eben moglen in nytimes!Sep 24 06:40
__martin__newspeak used term "secret code" instead of proprietary firmwareSep 24 06:41
__martin__http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/23/nyregion/volkswagens-diesel-fraud-makes-critic-of-secret-code-a-prophet.html?_r=1Sep 24 06:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/nulmi ]Sep 24 06:41
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__martin__they even mention SFLC thereSep 24 06:43
__martin__*well done*Sep 24 06:43
__martin__(=Sep 24 06:43
cubexyzpaid walled I assume?Sep 24 06:46
cubexyzok, happily not in this caseSep 24 06:47
cubexyzyes the volkswagen cheat was severeSep 24 06:48
cubexyzbut it also shows how crap the DMCA isSep 24 06:50
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__martin__agreedSep 24 08:04
MinceRhttp://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-24/bmw-drops-on-report-that-x3-diesel-s-emission-exceeded-eu-limitSep 24 09:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bloomberg.com | BMW Drops on Report That X3 Diesel's Emission Exceeded EU Limit - Bloomberg Business [ http://ur1.ca/numi8 ]Sep 24 09:38
MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/ArmX82GSep 24 09:56
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MinceRhttp://imgur.com/1ELL0loSep 24 09:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-imgur.com | Vladolf Putler - ImgurSep 24 09:57
msb_When you want to attack the person you're obsessed with and paranoid about, but can't find anything that he's doing wrong, and he's actually doing some good things, you post a fake picture of his face combined with Hitler, and you post CIA-inspired propaganda articles about him.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird Sep 24 10:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Operation Mockingbird - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/numot ]Sep 24 10:12
MinceRwhen you want to put ever more people (but strangely not yourself) under the boot of the fascist dictator you worship, you just link to his government propaganda.   http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RTSep 24 10:14
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msb_Interesting, since I didn't mention RT.Sep 24 10:41
msb_Also interesting that "rationalwiki" has 970 articles in Russian, 36 in French, and no more than 9 in any other non-English language.Sep 24 10:43
msb_http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RationalWiki:AboutSep 24 10:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rationalwiki.org | RationalWiki - RationalWiki [ http://ur1.ca/numvs ]Sep 24 10:43
MinceRyeah, only 8 links to rt.com this monthSep 24 10:45
msb_Other than vague but intense smears calling RT a Russian propaganda station, what details does RW cite to prove that RT is not truthful?  Sep 24 10:46
msb_"RT is deliberately and incessantly engaging in US/NATO/EU-bashing"Sep 24 10:47
MinceR232431 < msb__> I don't support the dictatorial things Putin is doing.Sep 24 10:49
MinceR>can't find anything that he's doing wrong, and he's actually doing some Sep 24 10:49
MinceR               good things,Sep 24 10:49
MinceRyou could at least try to keep your story straightSep 24 10:50
msb_The US/NATO/EU has destr0yed Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, created a Nazi coup in Ukraine, and has murdered more than 2,000,000 people. since 911.  "Rationalwiki" calls RT's reporting of these acts "deliberately and incessantly engaging in US/NATO/EU-bashing".Sep 24 10:51
MinceRagain, pretending that opinions and russian government propaganda are factsSep 24 10:52
MinceRall this because you're offended someone dared mock your favorite dictatorSep 24 10:52
msb_MinceR has never been able to come up with anything untrue that RT has reported on.  Instead, he relies completely on personal attacks and CIA-biased websites.Sep 24 10:54
MinceRmore liesSep 24 10:54
msb_"the fascist dictator you worship"  "your favorite dictator"Sep 24 10:55
MinceRcult of personalitySep 24 10:55
MinceRjust like in the ussrSep 24 10:55
MinceRand of course like in hungarySep 24 10:56
MinceRhttp://www.economist.com/news/europe/21646756-europe-belatedly-waking-up-russias-information-warfare-aux-armes-journalistesSep 24 10:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.economist.com | Aux armes, journalistes! | The Economist [ http://ur1.ca/npitk ]Sep 24 10:57
MinceRhttp://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/09/russia-putin-revolutionizing-information-warfare/379880/Sep 24 10:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theatlantic.com | Russia and the Menace of Unreality - The Atlantic [ http://ur1.ca/numz9 ]Sep 24 10:59
msb_The other major attack that "Rationalwiki" makes against RT is that it has reported on what "Rationalwiki" calls "conspiracy theories" about 9/11.  But 9/11 has been irrefutably proved to have been perpetrated by the US government.   http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911  Sep 24 11:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For EveryoneSep 24 11:00
msb_So it's "Rationalwiki" that's lying, not RT.Sep 24 11:01
MinceRirrefutably in the minds of zealotsSep 24 11:01
MinceRoh, i found an article on the organization msb_ is a member of: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/08/the-kremlins-troll-army/375932/Sep 24 11:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theatlantic.com | The Kremlin's Troll Army - The Atlantic [ http://ur1.ca/numzt ]Sep 24 11:02
MinceR“The Communists, who do not believe in human nature but only in the human condition, believe that propaganda is all-powerful, legitimate (whenever they employ it), and instrumental in creating a new type of man.”Sep 24 11:07
msb_The first sentence in the Economist articles says that RT "portray[ed] the protesters who had recently overthrown Ukraine’s regime as a neo-Nazi rabble".  The "protesters" were dominated by the Nazi groups Svoboda and Right-Sector, who also fired into the crowd from rooftops.  The subsequent coup government has murdered tens of thousands of people in eastern areas of Ukraine who wanted autonomy from the Nazi regime.Sep 24 11:08
MinceRapparently that "new type of man" is of the dead typeSep 24 11:08
MinceRno, they weren't dominated by those groupsSep 24 11:08
MinceRanother unsourced lieSep 24 11:08
MinceRhttp://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-26986657Sep 24 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.com | Russia TV stations air 'impostor' protester in two guises - BBC News [ http://ur1.ca/nun1z ]Sep 24 11:10
MinceRhttp://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/15/there-s-no-evidence-the-ukrainian-army-crucified-a-child-in-slovyansk.htmlSep 24 11:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thedailybeast.com | There’s No Evidence the Ukrainian Army Crucified a Child in Slovyansk - The Daily Beast [ http://ur1.ca/nun2f ]Sep 24 11:11
msb_http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine/5371554Sep 24 11:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | The U.S. has Installed a Neo-Nazi Government in Ukraine | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization [ http://ur1.ca/ji3em ]Sep 24 11:12
MinceRhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/chemtrails-the-secret-war/5421137Sep 24 11:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | Chemtrails: The Secret War | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization [ http://ur1.ca/nun2y ]Sep 24 11:14
msb_The Atlantic article _begins_ by quoting the commander of NATO!  'Russia, he said, is waging “the most amazing information warfare blitzkrieg we have ever seen in the history of information warfare.”'Sep 24 11:14
MinceR"And right-wing nationalist parties, which are often allied ideologically and financially with the Kremlin, are rising. In Hungary, Jobbik is now the second-largest political party. In France, Marine Le Pen’s National Front recently won 25 percent of the vote in elections for the European parliament."Sep 24 11:15
MinceRhttp://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/article/yes-russia-matters-putin%E2%80%99s-guerrilla-strategySep 24 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.worldaffairsjournal.org | Yes, Russia Matters: Putin’s Guerrilla Strategy | World Affairs Journal [ http://ur1.ca/nun3p ]Sep 24 11:17
MinceR"Validating the network’s ideological approach is the excuse that, in the words of managing director Alexey Nikolov, “there is no such thing as objective reporting.”"Sep 24 11:17
MinceRhttps://www.rt.com/about-us/management/Sep 24 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com | Management — RTSep 24 11:17
MinceR"This argument justifies RT’s willingness to broadcast any fringe material, however ridiculous it may be."Sep 24 11:18
msb_Another personal attack from MinceR:  "i found an article on the organization msb_ is a member of ... the-kremlins-troll-army".  Of course MinceR provides no evidence that I am a member of such an organization, because I'm not.  He just makes stuff up out of his paranoid imagination.Sep 24 11:18
MinceRyou provide more than enough evidence of thatSep 24 11:18
msb_Mincer's World Affairs article gives vague sinister interpretations of Russia's economic investments, and says "much more is thought to flow".  In other words it's quoting fantasy as if there were some proof for it.Sep 24 11:24
MinceRyeah, if it's inconvenient to russia, it must be fantasySep 24 11:25
MinceRapparently if people suspect there's more under the surface, that means everything they reported on is fantasySep 24 11:26
msb_MinceR mentions an article in globalresearch.ca about chemtrails, as if that topic proves that GR is giving false information.  But MinceR is lying.  Chemtrails (geoengineering) has been very well proven:   http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/   Sep 24 11:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geoengineeringwatch.org | Geoengineering Watch | Exposing the climate engineering/geoengineering cover-upSep 24 11:30
MinceRyes, conspiracy theorists believe their theories are very well provenSep 24 11:30
MinceRfilm at 11.Sep 24 11:30
msb_There's an enormous amount of factual evidence on that website.  MinceR smears it without citing anything on it that's untrue.Sep 24 11:31
MinceRmsb_ whines about personal attacks while highlighting me in every line he posts. interesting.Sep 24 11:32
MinceRhttp://prpl.works/2015/09/21/yes-the-fcc-might-ban-your-operating-system/Sep 24 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-prpl.works | Yes, the FCC might ban your operating system | prpl.works [ http://ur1.ca/nun6j ]Sep 24 11:32
XRevan86msb_, MinceR: I wonder why're not best friends already.Sep 24 11:32
XRevan86* why are you notSep 24 11:33
MinceRXRevan86: because he gets offended every time someone says something that's bad for russia or putler.Sep 24 11:33
XRevan86MinceR: I see your position as the exact opposite.Sep 24 11:34
msb_"Conspiracy theory/theorist" is a term invented by the US "intelligence" establishment and propagated by Operation Mockingbird (see above) to smear and discredit the numerous researchers that investigated the JFK assassination, and the huge amount of evidence they accumulated.  Subsequently, the term has been used to smear and discredit the researchers who have investigated other secret murderous US government  operations, like 9/11 and Sep 24 11:40
msb_chemtrails.  Sep 24 11:40
MinceRooh, a metaconspiracy theorySep 24 11:41
MinceRwe have to go deeperSep 24 11:41
msb_The researchers respond with proven _facts_, but the US government keeps on smearing them as "conspiracy theorists".  Sep 24 11:42
cubexyzevidently the FCC isn't banning wi-fi moddingSep 24 11:42
MinceRhttp://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/new-ttip-scandal-car-industry-buried-report-revealing-us-car-safety-flaws-10514716.htmlSep 24 11:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.independent.co.uk | Car industry 'buried report revealing US car safety flaws over fears for TTIP deal' | Business News | News | The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/nun98 ]Sep 24 11:42
MinceRcubexyz: yet.Sep 24 11:43
cubexyzthey _might_ be requiring locked down radios, and only radiosSep 24 11:43
MinceRor they aren't enforcing itSep 24 11:43
MinceRthose "proven" "facts" often contradict each otherSep 24 11:43
msb_What can the US government do but lie about its actions?  If the perpetrators admitted what they've done they'd be torn limb from limb.Sep 24 11:43
cubexyz"The software must prevent the user from operating the transmitter with operating frequencies, output power, modulation types or other radio frequency parameters outside those that were approved for the device."Sep 24 11:44
cubexyzthat's allSep 24 11:44
MinceRif they're anything like the russian government, it doesn't matterSep 24 11:44
MinceRthe worshippers of the russian government believe whatever the russian government does is the greatest good per definitionSep 24 11:44
MinceRas fundies believe all morality comes from their god, russowankers believe all morality comes from putinSep 24 11:45
cubexyzMinceR, FCC doesn't effect usSep 24 11:45
cubexyzwe are outside of the USSep 24 11:45
MinceRit mightSep 24 11:45
MinceRsince the US is a huge marketSep 24 11:45
MinceRalso, there are constant efforts ongoing to force the worst of usian regulation on the rest of the worldSep 24 11:46
MinceR(typically by the same megacorporations that bought those regulations in the first place)Sep 24 11:46
cubexyzthe idea that you can't flash your router just seems wrongSep 24 11:47
msb_cubexyz: How can the prevention be done if open-source radio drivers are used?  Wouldn't binary blob drivers be required?  Sep 24 11:48
MinceRit doesn't seem wrong to those who dream theirself your masterSep 24 11:48
MinceRs/lf/lves/Sep 24 11:48
MinceRit seems they could also require locked-down binary blob OS-esSep 24 11:48
cubexyzmsb_, there are some wired routers that don't need blobsSep 24 11:50
cubexyze.g. WRT54GLSep 24 11:51
cubexyzyou can disable wirelessSep 24 11:51
msb_cubexyz: It seems unlikely that a wifi transmitter could be reprogrammed to put out much more power than the one watt that the law allows, because that would require more expensive components.  Now if some routers or NICs were manufactured that _did_ have high-power capability, the FCC would have a good case for banning them.Sep 24 11:51
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cubexyzyou can crank up the outputSep 24 11:53
msb_cubexyz: Do you mean there are some routers that don't need drivers?Sep 24 11:53
cubexyzhow much I'm not sureSep 24 11:54
cubexyzmsb_, I mean with openwrt and WRT54GL you can roll your own firmwareSep 24 11:54
cubexyzso it's a blob, but one that you create yourselfSep 24 11:54
cubexyzor just have everything wiredSep 24 11:55
cubexyze.g. a boost would be something like 20mw to 1 wattSep 24 11:56
msb_The article just mentions 1 watt.  Is output limited to 20mw in some circumstances?Sep 24 11:57
cubexyzyes, the firmware can set thatSep 24 11:57
msb_Does the law set a limit lower than 1watt under some circumstances?Sep 24 11:58
MinceRthe hardware can almost certainly be limited regardless of the firmware or the driver, but it's likely more expensive than hacking it up in softwareSep 24 11:58
MinceRso everyone only has access to broken crap that has to be babysit by blobsSep 24 11:59
cubexyz"Buffalo HP units should not exceed 30 mw due to their built in amp"Sep 24 12:00
cubexyzLinksys ships out their units with TX power set to 28 mw by defaultSep 24 12:00
msb_Why?  Just to be polite, or is it required by law?Sep 24 12:01
MinceRalso, it's conceivable that the amplifier would have a shorter lifespan if used near its physical maximum powerSep 24 12:01
MinceRso there might be a good reason to limit it otherwiseSep 24 12:02
cubexyzyou can change it of courseSep 24 12:02
MinceRthey may be incapable of calibrating it to the exact mW, so they might want a margin of errorSep 24 12:02
cubexyzsome people set it to 84 mwSep 24 12:03
cubexyzvery high values could overheat the routerSep 24 12:04
MinceR:)Sep 24 12:04
msb_If the final amp is well designed, running it at max rated power won't shorten its life.Sep 24 12:04
MinceR"well-designed" is a dying breed, thoughSep 24 12:05
MinceRbut yeah, not being well-designed is not a good excuseSep 24 12:05
cubexyzif the signal is weak, a slower speed of transmission is setSep 24 12:05
cubexyzevidently higher TX power levels do help with download speedsSep 24 12:06
cubexyzuploads which are mostly ACKs, remain the same (usually)Sep 24 12:06
cubexyzsometimes you're uploading then it would matter moreSep 24 12:07
cubexyztomato firmware goes up to 250 mwSep 24 12:08
msb_cubexyz: Does the US law set a limit lower than 1watt under some circumstances?Sep 24 12:08
cubexyzmsb_, ultimately the hardware would be limited to conform to FCC rules I would thinkSep 24 12:09
cubexyzif you get blobbed, maybe not even 250 mwSep 24 12:09
msb_What do you mean " if you get blobbed"  ?Sep 24 12:10
cubexyznewer router == more restrictive blobSep 24 12:10
cubexyzolder router == less restrictionsSep 24 12:10
msb_IF the US law specifies a max output power of 1 watt, then any good router will go that high and no more (maybe 20% more to allow for component tolerances, but that won't make any difference).Sep 24 12:13
msb_If some routers are limited to less than the legal max, then the buyer must beware.Sep 24 12:13
msb_and look at the specs.Sep 24 12:13
MinceRand then they'll take your computer away for that 20% moreSep 24 12:14
msb_Radio transmitters are an extremely mature technology.Sep 24 12:15
MinceRobsession with "order" leads to nothing goodSep 24 12:15
cubexyzI think the data sheet shows that 250 mw is the maxSep 24 12:15
cubexyzof course it's possible some model could go higherSep 24 12:15
msb_Of course anyone can buy or build a booster amp that would put out 10, 100, or 1000 watts.  But unless they used it with a highly directional antenna they'd be risking big trouble.Sep 24 12:17
msb_Probably some Chinese company already makes them.  8^)Sep 24 12:18
cubexyzthe linksys firmware will let you go up to 250 mwSep 24 12:19
cubexyzbut it _could_ overheatSep 24 12:24
cubexyzlaptops seem to overheat via normal useSep 24 12:24
cubexyzI can cite various examplesSep 24 12:24
cubexyzof course if the cpu fan fails then it's game over unless you're using a pretty old cpuSep 24 12:25
cubexyzI do have a passively cooled p2 400 mhz so that one would probably be fineSep 24 12:26
msb_http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/wireless/access_point/1200/vxworks/configuration/guide/ap120scg/bkscgaxa.html#wp1013513Sep 24 12:26
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msb_Properly designed electronics will not overheat in normal use.  This is not "rocket science".  If it does, then it ain't.Sep 24 12:30
msb_I think some gamers overcook their systems and put in a water-cooling system.  What could possibly go wront?Sep 24 12:33
msb_wrongSep 24 12:33
MinceRsome companies sell electronics that weren't properly designedSep 24 12:40
MinceRe.g. crAppleSep 24 12:40
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cubexyzmsb_, a fan could failSep 24 13:09
cubexyzwhich can cook the motherboard, unless there's safeguardsSep 24 13:09
cubexyzPDP-10s had special temperature sensors and gaugesSep 24 13:10
cubexyzpanasonic toughbook is an example of a good design:Sep 24 13:10
cubexyzif the system got too hot it would throttle the cpu and if it still was too hot it would automatically shutdownSep 24 13:11
cubexyzintel slot 1 p3's had very good fansSep 24 13:12
cubexyzsome of mine are over 15 years oldSep 24 13:13
msb_My old cpu has sensors for each core, and for the whole chip.  The ASUS mobo has a sensor, and there's one for the acpitz, too.  God help me if my acpitz overheats.Sep 24 13:13
msb_That can be very painful.Sep 24 13:14
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msb_In Israel you're limited to lower wifi power, but you can kill Palestinians if they look at you crosseyed (and you're Jewish).Sep 24 13:18
msb_One theory is that some people who really hate Jews are trying to get the whole country nuked.Sep 24 13:20
msb_717 moslems killed and 800 injured in a human stampede in Mecca.  Maybe robotizing memes aren't a good idea.Sep 24 13:24
cubexyzok, what is acpitz?Sep 24 13:24
msb_A very private body part?Sep 24 13:25
msb_This guy wants to remove his acpitz.  The fool!  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2066166.htmlSep 24 13:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ubuntuforums.org | [ubuntu] xsensors -- how to remove acpitz [Archive] - Ubuntu Forums [ http://ur1.ca/nuny9 ]Sep 24 13:27
msb_"acpitz* at acpi? DESCRIPTION The acpitz driver supports so-called ACPI ``Thermal Zones''. ... Hope this helps"Sep 24 13:29
cubexyz"acpitz is under the CPU so it records the CPU socket base temperature"Sep 24 13:29
cubexyz"put thermal paste on the bottom of the cpu if this temperature gets too high"Sep 24 13:30
msb_"I have spent considerable hours searching forums and googling. I have yet to find out what "lm-sensors acpitz-virtual-0 Adapter: Virtual device."Sep 24 13:30
cubexyzmy older motherboards don't have thatSep 24 13:31
cubexyzbut the P3 doesn't need thermal paste Sep 24 13:31
msb_thermal paste to conduct the heat into the plastic socket?Sep 24 13:31
cubexyzsorry, it actually said: "put thermal paste at the bottom of the CPU socket base..."Sep 24 13:32
msb_It's for the ACPI -- the Association of Christian Philosophers of India.Sep 24 13:33
msb_They must be a lonely bunch.Sep 24 13:33
cubexyzdoesn't sound right I agreeSep 24 13:33
msb_Agghh!  It's even worse:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Configuration_and_Power_InterfaceSep 24 13:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Advanced Configuration and Power Interface - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nuo0f ]Sep 24 13:34
msb_Isn't that the thing you often have to shut off for Linux to even boot?Sep 24 13:35
cubexyzok... acpitz indicates it's an ACPI thermal deviceSep 24 13:35
cubexyznot sure if it's some sort of acronymSep 24 13:36
cubexyzwhat is the TZ part I wonder?Sep 24 13:36
cubexyzthermal z?Sep 24 13:36
cubexyzah! I have itSep 24 13:37
msb_zonesSep 24 13:37
cubexyzACPI Thermal ZonesSep 24 13:37
msb_or zombiesSep 24 13:38
cubexyzyeah and it's got Microsoft's Claw in itSep 24 13:40
cubexyzfiguresSep 24 13:40
cubexyzIntel, Microsoft and Toshiba developed the original standardSep 24 13:40
cubexyz"in Oct 2013 all the original developers of the ACPI standard agreed to transfer all assets to the UEFI Forum in which all future development will take place"Sep 24 13:41
cubexyzVista requires a BIOS with ACPI 2.0 or laterSep 24 13:42
cubexyzand somewhat ominous: "ACPI firmware on your device is the NSA's best friend"Sep 24 13:44
msb_http://linuxpoison.blogspot.com/2010/06/acpi-related-linux-kernel-parameters.htmlSep 24 13:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxpoison.blogspot.com | ACPI related Linux kernel parameters | Linux Blog [ http://ur1.ca/nuo3n ]Sep 24 13:49
msb_Then ACPI and systemd must be the NSA's best friend and lover.Sep 24 13:50
cubexyzI think my server has the precursor to ACPI: APMSep 24 13:51
cubexyzor Advanced Power ManagementSep 24 13:51
msb_I guess some NSA malware can read the ACPI params, learn exactly what hardware you have, and figure out how to jack it up real good.Sep 24 13:52
cubexyzhow would they read the APCI parameters?Sep 24 13:52
cubexyzACPISep 24 13:52
msb_Via systemd, of course.Sep 24 13:53
cubexyzmy kernel on the server has no APM support so I guess it does nothingSep 24 13:54
cubexyzI'll have to check the BIOS settings on that some daySep 24 13:54
cubexyzopenbsd has apm as wellSep 24 13:56
msb_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsCyC1dZiN8Sep 24 13:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Jethro Tull - Living In The Past 1969 - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/8etal ]Sep 24 13:57
cubexyzI'm a fan of the original Jethro Tull so pffffft :)Sep 24 14:00
cubexyzan early proponent of the scientific approach to agricultureSep 24 14:01
cubexyzalso the inventor of the turnip drill :)Sep 24 14:02
msb_If you want precise holes in your turnips it's the only way to go.Sep 24 14:03
msb_I love the band.  There's a song I remember about the creatures in the woods with glowing eyes.  I think it was from Jethro Tull but I've never been able to find it.Sep 24 14:04
cubexyzRocks on the Road?Sep 24 14:05
cubexyz"there's a black cat down on the quayside"Sep 24 14:06
cubexyz"ship's lights, green eyes glowing in the dark"Sep 24 14:06
cubexyzmaybe notSep 24 14:07
cubexyzno woodsSep 24 14:07
msb_What I remember is something like "don't go out in the woods at night"Sep 24 14:10
msb_for which google finds nothingSep 24 14:10
MinceRhttps://i.chzbgr.com/full/8568143360/h0E788640/Sep 24 14:10
cubexyzhahahaSep 24 14:11
msb_There's gotta be one where a VW blows up the Earth..Sep 24 14:14
cubexyzit's been done before tooSep 24 14:16
cubexyzby Caterpillar, Detroit Diesel and VolvoSep 24 14:17
cubexyzusing a 'defeat device'Sep 24 14:17
cubexyzthe EPA is strict on nitrogen oxide emissionsSep 24 14:18
msb_How different things would be if the oil companies hadn't killed off the _external_ combustion engine.  No NOx at all.Sep 24 14:20
cubexyzhttp://www3.epa.gov/airtrends/aqtrnd95/no2.htmlSep 24 14:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www3.epa.gov | Environmental Protection Agency -- Nitrogen Dioxide (NO2) [ http://ur1.ca/nuoa3 ]Sep 24 14:20
cubexyzoopsSep 24 14:20
MinceRthe steam machine?Sep 24 14:20
cubexyzthat's not the same thingSep 24 14:20
MinceRor perhaps by "external combustion" you mean the Fisker Karma? :>Sep 24 14:22
cubexyzok, N2O is a green house gasSep 24 14:22
cubexyzso very bad to pump more of it into the atmosphereSep 24 14:22
cubexyzway worse than carbon dioxide evidentlySep 24 14:23
msb_It's the result of the rapid internal combustion burning the nitrogen from the air.Sep 24 14:23
cubexyzhttp://www3.epa.gov/climatechange/ghgemissions/gases/n2o.htmlSep 24 14:24
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msb_Steam cars didn't need a ratio-shifting gearbox, developing full torque from a standstill.Sep 24 14:25
msb_Could burn anything you could stick under the boiler.Sep 24 14:25
msb_Old trash, pot stems, annoying hungarians...Sep 24 14:26
MinceRhttp://boingboing.net/2015/09/24/vwscandal.htmlSep 24 14:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-boingboing.net | In Volkswagen emissions fraud scandal, proprietary software is the real villain / Boing Boing [ http://ur1.ca/nuob9 ]Sep 24 14:26
MinceRrussian fascists burn just as wellSep 24 14:26
cubexyzmsb_, do you think steam cars could make a comeback?Sep 24 14:27
msb_ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doble_steam_carSep 24 14:28
cubexyzI blame big oil (again)Sep 24 14:29
MinceRperhaps it would be better to leave the steam at the power plant and use electric cars insteadSep 24 14:29
MinceRi didn't know they made cars with steam enginesSep 24 14:31
cubexyzthey did... a long time agoSep 24 14:31
MinceRalso, allegedly turbine cars could run on almost anything too, not sure about their emissions thoughSep 24 14:31
cubexyzICE and Steam cars were developed around the same time but obviously ICE wonSep 24 14:32
msb_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doble_steam_car#Typical_performanceSep 24 14:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Doble steam car - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaSep 24 14:36
MinceRamazingSep 24 14:37
MinceRwhy did they die out?Sep 24 14:37
msb_I remember reading that banks withdrew funding from the Doble company and killed it.  Sep 24 14:39
msb_Like this:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracySep 24 14:41
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msb_The Doble article even mentions a successful steam-powered airplane.Sep 24 14:46
cubexyztoo heavy, more expensive than the model TSep 24 14:48
msb_Then there was the nuclear-powered ramjet the size and weight of a steam locomotive, that could stay in the air indefinitely and drop atomic bombs anywhere on earth.  This was described in the great book _The Curve of Binding Energy_.  Fortunately it was never built.Sep 24 14:48
MinceRhow does a nuclear-powered ramjet work?Sep 24 14:48
MinceRi thought ramjets used the air they compressed for combustionSep 24 14:49
MinceRbut the use of nuclear power doesn't involve combustionSep 24 14:49
msb_This would have just used the air for reaction mass.Sep 24 14:49
MinceR(exclusing scramjets, but those only work in space, afaik)Sep 24 14:49
MinceRs/sin/din/Sep 24 14:49
MinceRohSep 24 14:49
MinceRso they collect and compress air, ionize it and accelerate it?Sep 24 14:50
msb_collect, compress, heat in the reactor, and blow out the back end.Sep 24 14:51
MinceRicSep 24 14:51
msb_A scramjet (supersonic combusting ramjet) is a variant of a ramjet airbreathing jet engine in which combustion takes place in supersonic airflow.Sep 24 14:51
msb_So also an airbreather.Sep 24 14:52
MinceRoh, i confused that with the scoop ramjetSep 24 14:52
msb_The Bussard ramjet, that would collect interstellar hydrogen with a magnetic scoop, fuse it, and blow that out the back.Sep 24 14:54
msb_electromagnetic scoopSep 24 14:54
MinceRicSep 24 14:55
msb_Using superconductors, wouldn't require continuous power.Sep 24 14:55
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_car#DeclineSep 24 14:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Steam car - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nuohi ]Sep 24 14:55
MinceRusing superconductors how?Sep 24 14:56
MinceRto establish the EM scoop?Sep 24 14:56
msb_to create the magnetic field for the scoopSep 24 14:56
MinceRicSep 24 14:56
msb_I don't know if the EM scoop would gather enough hydrogen for the thing to work.  But this would work:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_%28nuclear_propulsion%29Sep 24 15:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Project Orion (nuclear propulsion) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nuokp ]Sep 24 15:09
msb_As proved here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRp3S8OOeZcSep 24 15:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Project Orion: "To Mars by A-Bomb" RARE Footage - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nuokt ]Sep 24 15:10
msb_This was also covered in  _The Curve of Binding Energy_.Sep 24 15:11
msb_youtube really sucks these days.  You have to download that video to watch it.  Otherwise you get the sound, but only about one in thirty frames.Sep 24 15:12
msb_Maybe less.Sep 24 15:13
msb_A-bombs for travel within the solar system, H-bombs for interstellar.Sep 24 15:14
msb_The ship really would be the size and shape of the Chrysler Building, just like in that Coneheads episode.Sep 24 15:16
msb_Two whole TV shows about it:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieYsxEe8pkQSep 24 15:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Project Orion - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nuoqx ]Sep 24 15:40
msb_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYoLcJuBtOwSep 24 15:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | [HD] To Mars By A Bomb - The Secret History of Project Orion (Nuclear Propulsion) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nuor0 ]Sep 24 15:40
msb_The onboard computer would have used 12AX7's, you betcha!Sep 24 15:41
msb_We'd have people going to the stars by now!Sep 24 15:41
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msb_http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/09/france-confirms-that-google-must-remove-search-results-globally-or-face-big-fines/Sep 24 18:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | France tells Google to remove search results globally, or face big fines | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/nupv7 ]Sep 24 18:56
MinceRis this "right to be forgotten" or "piracy"?Sep 24 18:56
msb_rtbfSep 24 18:56
msb_Are there any other real search engines, or just ones that hide your identity while they call google?Sep 24 18:58
MinceRixquick uses other search engines, ddg uses bìng (dressed up as yahoo)Sep 24 18:59
MinceRthey all suckSep 24 19:00
MinceRand google has started sucking harder recentlySep 24 19:00
msb_how?Sep 24 19:00
MinceRit's failing to find stuff i know existsSep 24 19:00
MinceRand usually i find it via ixquick or ddgSep 24 19:00
MinceRalso, they removed the + operator and they seem to be more likely to ignore the most important search termSep 24 19:01
msb_so they really are independent of googleSep 24 19:01
msb_I've seen it ignore the search term that I put firstSep 24 19:02
MinceRi'll try shuffling sometimeSep 24 19:02
msb_ixquick has an advanced search, ddg doesn't seem toSep 24 19:09
MinceRthe only thing i needed advanced search (as opposed to ordinary operators and quoting) was specifying the language of the page to seekSep 24 19:10
MinceR+forSep 24 19:11
MinceRi rarely do that, thoughSep 24 19:11
msb_How can France fine google if google just gets out of France (or the EU)?Sep 24 19:11
MinceRi don't knowSep 24 19:11
msb_what does +for do?Sep 24 19:12
MinceRi meant to say that the previous sentence should have the word "for" somewhereSep 24 19:12
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msb_Here's that horrible nuclear ramjet:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_PlutoSep 24 19:29
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MinceR:)Sep 24 19:30
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msb_Blew the barely visible dust out of my cpu heatsink and all the sensors got 4degC cooler.Sep 24 20:04
msb_guess I have to do it once a weekSep 24 20:04
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MinceRthe hypePhone has a challenger >> http://www.androidauthority.com/nophone-zero-644394/Sep 24 21:17
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MinceRhttps://i.chzbgr.com/full/8567675648/hCF036023/Sep 24 21:53
msb_Bernie Sanders, Syriza, Jeremy Corbyn, Pope Francis -- all pro-humanity.  Is something going on here?  Is this the Great Turning?Sep 24 22:07
msb_Even Putin -- forming Eurasian Coalition, helping the people of Crimea and Syria.Sep 24 22:08
MinceRthat's ludicrousSep 24 22:11
MinceRwhat's going on here is humanity's systematic self-exterminationSep 24 22:11
MinceRalso, the notion of that censorship-supporting fascist defender of pedophiles and that dangerously psychotic fascist dictator being "pro-humanity" is especially ludicrousSep 24 22:16
MinceRboth of them christian fundamentalists, of courseSep 24 22:17
msb_Despite that ridiculously exaggerated smear, Putin is doing the good things I mentioned.Sep 24 22:18
MinceRgo, fight his war on humanity some moreSep 24 22:19
MinceRyou'll be undone by your own heroesSep 24 22:19
MinceRit's only fitting, after all that's probably the most painful possible waySep 24 22:19
msb_People in other countries than Greece are also talking about not repaying, or repaying only slowly, the money the ultra-wealthy banks claim they are owed.Sep 24 22:20
msb_Two more ridiculous personal attacks.Sep 24 22:23
msb_"what's going on here is humanity's systematic self-extermination" -- pure paranoid fantasy, without a single fact given to support it.Sep 24 22:26
MinceRi wonder if you'll be able to dismiss your own starving to death in a nuclear winter so easily, with the power of faith and cognitive dissonanceSep 24 22:27
msb_Focussing on the most negative possible future and ignoring good things happening is a sure recipe for severe delusional depression.Sep 24 22:28
MinceRwhat is ignoring all the facts and expecting the worst dictators to bring you to a utopia a sure recipe for?Sep 24 22:30
MinceRwill reality itself go away if you disbelieve it hard enough?Sep 24 22:30
msb_Are Bernie Sanders, Syriza, Jeremy Corbyn and Pope Francis "the worst dictators" ?Sep 24 22:31
MinceRat least one of those people is different from the othersSep 24 22:33
msb_And I said nothing about utopia, just improvement.Sep 24 22:33
MinceRapparently oppression and extermination are "improvements"Sep 24 22:33
MinceRwhat do you expect to happen when human overpopulation hits the limit of what this planet can support, by the way?Sep 24 22:34
msb_Francis said that poor people need food, housing, medical care and education.  That's the opposite of "oppression and extermination",Sep 24 22:35
MinceRfrancis also shut down an art exhibition that offended the cult of pedophiles he's a leader ofSep 24 22:35
MinceRhe's also promoting marxism even though it has failed in a quite spectacular waySep 24 22:35
msb_Marxism has succeeded in many nations.Sep 24 22:36
MinceRbut apparently if fascists say warm touchy-feely things every once in a while, they immediately get your total supportSep 24 22:36
MinceRwhich ones?Sep 24 22:36
MinceRthe one where people have to eat tree bark to survive?Sep 24 22:36
MinceRor the one where people can't even buy toilet paper or fuel?Sep 24 22:36
msb_Cuba, Nicaragua, Libya, Vietnam.Sep 24 22:36
MinceRor the empire that had to pull back from its vassal states because its economy collapsed?Sep 24 22:37
MinceRas usual, you have no idea what you're talking aboutSep 24 22:37
msb_Pointless to converse MinceR.  He is output-only.Sep 24 22:38
msb_Pointless to converse with MinceR.  He is output-only.Sep 24 22:38
MinceRapparently msb_'s systems are so overloaded by cognitive dissonance he can't even use the english language.Sep 24 22:38
MinceRspeaking of the international pedophile party, what's up with the "opium of the people"?Sep 24 22:39
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MinceRhttp://existentialcomics.com/comic/49Sep 24 23:04
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msb_The claim that "what's going on here is humanity's systematic self-extermination" is totally false.  In fact, almost everyone is acting to survive successfully and live happily.  The leaders I mentioned are helping them to do that by providing good guidance.Sep 24 23:17
MinceRthat's perfectly delusional and also inconsistent with some of your other alleged beliefs.Sep 24 23:18
msb_They aren't perfect, but they're doing much more good than harm.Sep 24 23:19
MinceRif you ignore all the harm they're doing, which of course you areSep 24 23:19
msb_they're doing much more good than harm.Sep 24 23:20
MinceRinteresting how the charm of one marxist who's fond of censorship managed your views on christianitySep 24 23:21
MinceRs/ged/& to change/Sep 24 23:21
msb_My views on xtianity have not changed, namely that it pushes the Emotional Plague.  Although Jesus did say some good things.  But what I cited Francis as talking about beneficially are moral and political issues, not religious ones.Sep 24 23:24
MinceRand the international pedophile party pushes christianitySep 24 23:24
MinceRyes, you cherry-pick the least consequential aspects of a person (preferably them saying things they don't even mean) and then judge them entirely on that basisSep 24 23:25
msb_Francis has been saying those things for years, despite anti-human people attacking him for it.  Apparently he does believe what he says.Sep 24 23:26
MinceRor he believes in repeating of phrases in public relationsSep 24 23:27
msb_It's not cherry picking.  It's what he mostly talks about.Sep 24 23:27
MinceRjust like bernays!Sep 24 23:27
MinceRif only people only talked, but never acted.Sep 24 23:27
msb_By repeatedly making good recommendations, Francis _is_ acting.Sep 24 23:29
MinceRso, what has he done about the pedophile problem in the organization he's supposed to be leading, other than a couple of pr stunts?Sep 24 23:30
msb_I don't know.  But if people are well housed, fed, clothed and educated, they are less likely to be seduced by pedophiles.Sep 24 23:32
MinceRi doubt that will protect them from the pedophile priests preying on them in their own communities.Sep 24 23:33
msb_They'll be less likely even to go to church.  More likely to get a Raspberry Pi with Linux, Python and Ruby.Sep 24 23:34
DaemonFCI'm moving and breaking my lease.Sep 24 23:34
msb_And when they get on the Net, they'll learn about the pedophiles.Sep 24 23:34
DaemonFCI'm not telling 'em where I'm going, and it only has a month left, so they're probably just take my deposit money. :PSep 24 23:35
msb_Good luck!Sep 24 23:36
MinceR:)Sep 24 23:36
msb_So Francis _is_ helping to defeat the pedophiles.Sep 24 23:37
MinceRyou have so far failed to prove thatSep 24 23:37
MinceRand so has heSep 24 23:38
msb_"<msb_> Francis said that poor people need food, housing, medical care and education." "<msb_> if people are well housed, fed, clothed and educated, they are less likely to be seduced by pedophiles."  " <msb_> And when they get on the Net, they'll learn about the pedophiles     Sep 24 23:41
msb_'Sep 24 23:41
msb_Case in point.  I read a lot of books when I was a kid.  After being forced against my will to go to hebrew school and be barmitzvahed, I vowed that I would never again set foot inside a synagogue.  And I haven't.Sep 24 23:47
MinceRafaik he actually said something more relevant to the issue, but afaik he hasn't actually done anythingSep 24 23:47
MinceRwhat happened to the priests that that ultimate fundamentalist dystopia known as the vatican "saved" from the legal consequences of their actions using their diplomatic ties to states that happily sacrifice rule of law for the sake of a cult?Sep 24 23:49
MinceRwhen will they be tried for their crimes?Sep 24 23:49
msb_Did Francis "save" them?Sep 24 23:50
MinceRafaik his predecessors "saved" most or all of themSep 24 23:50
MinceRand francis did some pr maneuvering, but as far as i can see, no actionsSep 24 23:50
msb_Doesn't double jeopardy apply?Sep 24 23:50
MinceRhow would it apply if they were never tried?Sep 24 23:51
MinceRthat would be null jeopardySep 24 23:51
msb_As to new ones, how can he detect them?  Give all priests a Voight-Kampff test?Sep 24 23:51
MinceReven that would be more than just posturingSep 24 23:51
MinceRalso, what will happen to the enormous amount of resources the cult has scammed/robbed people of over the centuries?Sep 24 23:52
msb_It would also be fictional.Sep 24 23:52
MinceRjust like the things they believe inSep 24 23:52
MinceRand the things they brainwash kids to believe inSep 24 23:52
MinceRby the way, that hasn't stopped eitherSep 24 23:53
MinceRalso, the hungarian nazi dictatorship still uses that cult as a pseudo-moral coverSep 24 23:54
MinceRhave the kiddie-fuckers said anything about that? of course notSep 24 23:54
MinceRthey enjoy having previously state-owned schools being handed over to themSep 24 23:54
MinceRall the better to break the brains of childrenSep 24 23:54
MinceRwhile also raping themSep 24 23:54
msb_By focussing your mind exclusively on negative things, you can guarantee that you will always be unhappy.Sep 24 23:57
MinceRwill i die happily from putler's nukes if i believe that it's a good thing?Sep 24 23:58
MinceRwill children enjoy being fucked by a priest if they believe it's all "God"'s plan and therefore inherently good?Sep 25 00:02
MinceRi see evil organizations buy respect and worship via pr stuntsSep 25 00:04
MinceRlike m$ pretending to donate stuffSep 25 00:05
MinceRand it's sad to see how easily people are trickedSep 25 00:05
MinceReven people who believe themselves to be smartSep 25 00:05
MinceRand it's especially sad to see principles like democracy, liberty, freedom of speech, constitutionality, rule of law and free market get thrown away in favor of oppression, domination and government-enforced monopoliesSep 25 00:07
MinceRand people do so happilySep 25 00:07
MinceRreason is discarded in favor of memetic infectionsSep 25 00:08
msb_These negative things that you see or imagine are all being counteracted by positive things that you ignore and don't think about.  I've suggested things that you can access to help yourself, but you refuse.  Perhaps there's some reason why you enjoy being miserable.Sep 25 00:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf Final Beta Available For Download | Tux MachinesSep 25 05:58
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     What's the Game or App That Would Convince YouSep 25 05:58
TweetTuxMachines                 to Drop Windows? http://t.co/yDpdZojuqdSep 25 05:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | What's the Game or App That Would Convince You to Drop Windows? | Tux MachinesSep 25 05:58
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cubexyzis this a joke? A closed source game is going to stop people from dropping windows?Sep 25 07:37
cubexyzso you can have a closed source linux game?Sep 25 07:37
cubexyzthe article isn't worth looking atSep 25 07:37
cubexyznot having the source code has been a big pain in the buttSep 25 07:38
cubexyzok, let's talk about something a bit more interesting:Sep 25 07:41
cubexyzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_commercial_video_games_with_available_source_codeSep 25 07:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | List of commercial video games with available source code - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nutzm ]Sep 25 07:42
cubexyzok, so the content license can sometimes be proprietary, I can live with thatSep 25 07:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Second Alpha Build of Manjaro Linux Xfce 15.12Sep 25 07:45
TweetTuxMachines                 Is Now Available for DownloadSep 25 07:45
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/D3rIL7yWuw (news.softpedia.com)Sep 25 07:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Second Alpha Build of Manjaro Linux Xfce 15.12 Is Now Available for Download - SoftpediaSep 25 07:45
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     The Linux Setup - Jim Whitehurst,Sep 25 07:46
TweetTuxMachines                 President/CEO, Red Hat http://t.co/mDurNxnB9ESep 25 07:46
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.mylinuxrig.com)Sep 25 07:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mylinuxrig.com | The Linux Setup - Jim Whitehurst, President/CEO,... - My Linux RigSep 25 07:46
cubexyzso some company ports a game to linux... not a big deal at allSep 25 07:48
cubexyza big deal --> company releases source code for gameSep 25 07:48
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Exploring the magic of Mageia 5Sep 25 07:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD.Sep 25 07:53
*TweetTuxMachines @GanoeCyrus favourited 'Exploring the magic of Mageia 5 http://t.co/fEmtrEasc9'Sep 25 07:53
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     What you should not expect when switching toSep 25 08:26
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux  http://t.co/j62VzBcm9YSep 25 08:26
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Embedded Linux: LeftoversSep 25 08:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Embedded Linux: Leftovers | Tux MachinesSep 25 08:26
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Gaming Leftovers http://t.co/dTZeaLDcYWSep 25 08:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Gaming Leftovers | Tux MachinesSep 25 08:26
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     What you should not expect when switching toSep 25 08:26
TweetTuxMachines                 Linux http://t.co/nupNNJEzS8Sep 25 08:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | What you should not expect when switching to Linux | Tux MachinesSep 25 08:27
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     OSS Leftovers http://t.co/oUi9Pg7XzISep 25 08:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OSS Leftovers | Tux MachinesSep 25 08:27
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     PulseAudio 7.0 Improves Support for CreativeSep 25 09:46
TweetTuxMachines                 SoundBlaster Omni Surround 5.1Sep 25 09:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PulseAudio 7.0 Improves Support for Creative SoundBlaster Omni Surround 5.1 | Tux MachinesSep 25 09:46
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Adventure RPG 'Last Word' Now Available OnSep 25 09:46
TweetTuxMachines                 Steam For Linux http://t.co/T8RV5oah0bSep 25 09:46
TweetTuxMachines                 (www.gamingonlinux.com)Sep 25 09:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com | Adventure RPG 'Last Word' Now Available On Steam For Linux | GamingOnLinuxSep 25 09:46
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     New Red Hat CFO Calderoni predicts bigSep 25 09:46
TweetTuxMachines                 milemarker for open-source giantSep 25 09:46
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/VOMbhXwNA3 (www.bizjournals.com)Sep 25 09:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bizjournals.com | New Red Hat CFO Calderoni predicts big milemarker for open-source giant - Triangle Business JournalSep 25 09:46
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/20-years-basically-the-same.jpgSep 25 09:55
cubexyzsome funny windows 10 comments:Sep 25 09:59
cubexyz"Windows 10: slower than Vista, more unstable than Vista, and worse than Vista. But it will save children's lives and the entire freaking world and the universe."Sep 25 09:59
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/ancedote-windows-bsod.txtSep 25 10:15
MinceRpeople have grown to like slow, unstable, insecure botnets full of spywareSep 25 10:19
cubexyzlike?Sep 25 10:19
cubexyzI doubt they like itSep 25 10:19
MinceRthey actively go for itSep 25 10:20
MinceRthey advertise itSep 25 10:20
cubexyzcomplacent maybeSep 25 10:20
cubexyzlazySep 25 10:20
MinceRthey try to bring these design flaws to all other systems they can reachSep 25 10:20
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cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/poettering-systemd.pngSep 25 10:35
cubexyzanyways, my advice is use openbsd or roll your own distroSep 25 10:47
cubexyzit's not that hard if you use a distro you like as a starting pointSep 25 10:47
MinceRhttp://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/feb/07/tax-city-heist-of-centurySep 25 10:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | To us, it's an obscure shift of tax law. To the City, it's the heist of the century | George Monbiot | Comment is free | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/nuv8k ]Sep 25 10:50
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Red Hat Leftovers http://t.co/IWTtpPCsMQSep 25 10:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat Leftovers | Tux MachinesSep 25 10:57
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Always be shippable http://t.co/sFtUKk32mNSep 25 10:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Always be shippable | Tux MachinesSep 25 10:58
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos http://t.co/3MEAQ6D2UQSep 25 10:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesSep 25 10:58
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MinceRhttp://xkcd.com/1582/Sep 25 11:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-xkcd.com | xkcd: Picture a Grassy FieldSep 25 11:03
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cubexyzadded fold to Unix v5... only required a minor revisionSep 25 12:05
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MinceRhttps://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/12019933_10207849611587291_5992097943280940949_n.jpg?oh=3c13f8ec7916cae524f0357815adf8ad&oe=5664E9D9Sep 25 12:28
DaemonFCI cancelled the Comcast appointment.Sep 25 12:37
DaemonFCWho cares? I'm moving on Monday.Sep 25 12:37
DaemonFCI'm in first stage of the move right now. Pitching all the garbage that I don't want to take with me.Sep 25 12:38
DaemonFCI filled up half of each of two dumpsters. I didn't want them complaining that I filled a dumpster up.Sep 25 12:38
DaemonFCThere's more coming, but I'll drive to the third dumpster to get rid of this elliptical that I broke down.Sep 25 12:38
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DaemonFCI feel like Rain Man whenever I move. You get a dozen trash bags and fill them up going "Definitely don't need that. Definitely don't need that. Here's some underwear. I bought them at KMart.".Sep 25 13:53
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msb_cubexyz: That Poettering picture is cute but not nearly evil enough.Sep 25 14:04
cubexyzit's pretty evilSep 25 14:04
msb_You need the Nuremberg flavor:  https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSGiFwInLJtCZxbnDdNrbnUl63XMJJJG0OVtLj6kRXc-GfD-xmTSep 25 14:05
MinceRit's evil enough if you realize what 1984 was aboutSep 25 14:05
MinceRbut that one works tooSep 25 14:05
cubexyzthe swastika motif far predates Nazi GermanySep 25 14:07
cubexyzof course post WWII it was highly stigmatizedSep 25 14:08
MinceRindeed, but its use with the german imperial colors may notSep 25 14:08
cubexyztrueSep 25 14:08
msb_OK -- https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/574/7105/8d/www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/big-brother-1984.jpgSep 25 14:11
MinceRhm, the ingsoc logo uses mostly the same colors tooSep 25 14:11
MinceRperhaps not by accident :>Sep 25 14:12
cubexyzwhen was 1984 written?Sep 25 14:12
cubexyz1949 no wonderSep 25 14:12
msb_But Poettering's face needs to look a lot more evil.Sep 25 14:12
MinceRhttp://img.linuxfr.org/img/68747470733a2f2f6861636b2d6c696272652e6f72672f66696c65732f6c697672655f7072c3a966c3a972c3a95f6c656e6e6172742d35303070782e6a7067/livre_pr%C3%A9f%C3%A9r%C3%A9_lennart-500px.jpgSep 25 14:14
MinceRbetter?Sep 25 14:14
cubexyznot reallySep 25 14:14
MinceRhttps://web.archive.org/web/20141129114502/http://boycottsystemd.org/lennart1.pngSep 25 14:15
msb_noSep 25 14:15
msb_isn't there some video of him doing an angry rant?Sep 25 14:15
MinceRmaybe the video of that presentation he kept interruptingSep 25 14:15
MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTdUmlGxVo0Sep 25 14:16
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cubexyzthis sums up my feelings on the matter:Sep 25 14:16
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/systemd-everywhere.jpgSep 25 14:17
MinceR:)Sep 25 14:17
cubexyzanyways, all this systemd stuff got me back into BSD Sep 25 14:20
MinceRit's moving me that way as wellSep 25 14:21
MinceRi've just seen an allegation that freebsd won't follow "next"bsd, won't integrate launchd and all that toxic crapSep 25 14:22
XRevan86I remember MinceR saying that one of the systemd problems is LGPLSep 25 14:23
XRevan86and I agreeSep 25 14:23
XRevan86But *BSD is all full of permissive licenses.Sep 25 14:23
cubexyzthere's no ideal systemSep 25 14:23
XRevan86and GPL-hatredSep 25 14:23
MinceRwell, actually the dbus hole seems to be lessening the difference between the lgpl and the gplSep 25 14:24
msb_Rolling my own from Suse would take months, and then the rpm dependency tracking system would never work right.Sep 25 14:24
cubexyzthat's why I use older Linux, BSDs, and other operating systems for which I have source codeSep 25 14:24
MinceRand i've seen a library's license cause problems for users 2 libraries awaySep 25 14:24
cubexyzso I release code under GPL, and BSD folks can compile itSep 25 14:25
XRevan86MinceR: huh?Sep 25 14:25
msb_first thing is to forget about licensesSep 25 14:25
MinceRXRevan86: i can't remember exactly which it wasSep 25 14:25
XRevan86msb_: second is to forget about systemd?Sep 25 14:25
MinceRif you forget about systemd, they'll take you unawaresSep 25 14:25
msb_The goal is to eliminate systemdSep 25 14:25
cubexyzno, licenses do matterSep 25 14:25
XRevan86if you forget about licenses, they'll take you unawaresSep 25 14:26
cubexyzyou don't want Microsoft using your code in closed source projectsSep 25 14:26
MinceRi'm not sure if i can prevent itSep 25 14:26
MinceRor to what extent can i do soSep 25 14:26
msb_You certainly can't _detect_ it!Sep 25 14:26
MinceRor who will fund the lawyers suing for the abuseSep 25 14:27
MinceRthe systemd foundation?Sep 25 14:27
cubexyzthe FSF Sep 25 14:27
msb_Linux manages to incorporate the DVD decryption code, it's just located in a different place.Sep 25 14:28
MinceRyeah, i'm talking about themSep 25 14:28
cubexyzno one can force you to use systemdSep 25 14:28
cubexyzespecially if you switch to openbsd or freebsdSep 25 14:29
MinceRunless you need an applicationSep 25 14:29
msb_rightSep 25 14:29
msb_I want a distro that has up to date software.Sep 25 14:29
msb_appsSep 25 14:29
MinceRof course, i can run lendows in a vm, like winblowsSep 25 14:30
MinceRbut i don't want toSep 25 14:30
cubexyzI'm not aware of any application that _must_ have systemdSep 25 14:30
MinceRyet.Sep 25 14:30
MinceRtwo DEs require it already, their applications are nextSep 25 14:31
MinceRalso, afaik all waylandows implementations require systemdSep 25 14:31
msb_You don't want systemd at all, because sooner or later the US govt is going to use it to control your computer.  That's what it's for.Sep 25 14:31
MinceRindeedSep 25 14:31
MinceRand even if they didn't, it's an unreliable, unmaintainable, insecure messSep 25 14:31
msb_yes.  If your system has a problem, the fucked-up logs make it hard to diagnose.Sep 25 14:32
MinceRso does the fucked-up source codeSep 25 14:32
cubexyzthey just released Absolute Linux 14.12Sep 25 14:32
cubexyzI don't think it has systemdSep 25 14:32
msb_For a DE, KDE3 or Trinity works fine.Sep 25 14:33
msb_but does it have all the up to date apps?Sep 25 14:34
XRevan86msb_: Of course, not.Sep 25 14:34
XRevan86msb_: If you mean Trinity :)Sep 25 14:34
cubexyzwhat apps do you need?Sep 25 14:34
msb_a good distro has to have at least a dozen people maintaining itSep 25 14:35
XRevan86msb_: Void Linux, Devuan? :)Sep 25 14:36
msb_any ones I want, or that anyone wantsSep 25 14:36
cubexyzit's got firefox, openoffice, pidgin, gimp, thunderbird, k3b, frostwire, etc etcSep 25 14:36
msb_I want a distro for myself, and I only use a few apps.  But I want a distro that I can recommend to people, which means it needs all up to date apps.Sep 25 14:37
msb_So it has to be based on some big-time professional distro, but with the init system and other systemd shit fixed.Sep 25 14:40
XRevan86msb_: Gentoo?Sep 25 14:41
cubexyzI'd probably recommend a chromebook/chromebox for some peopleSep 25 14:43
msb_Most people are not going to want to compile everything.Sep 25 14:44
msb_Even I don't.  It's a waste of time.Sep 25 14:45
cubexyzno one is saying to compile everythingSep 25 14:45
msb_gentoo doesSep 25 14:45
cubexyzI assume you'll want to still write your own programsSep 25 14:45
msb_of courseSep 25 14:46
msb_I could install the latest LTS suse and put in my own init system, but I'd have to replace all the other systemd tentacles too.Sep 25 14:48
cubexyzso Absolute Linux, Void Linux, OpenBSD, FreeBSDSep 25 14:48
cubexyzAntiX and Q4OSSep 25 14:48
cubexyzstill plenty of optionsSep 25 14:48
msb_Do they have all the modern apps?Sep 25 14:48
msb_I'm not going to recommend, and probably not even going to use, some vanity one-man distro that doesn't have all the apps.Sep 25 14:50
msb_And all the up to date libraries used by apps like video editorsSep 25 14:51
cubexyzOpenBSD has a team of peopleSep 25 14:53
cubexyzno US restrictions on cryptography eitherSep 25 14:53
msb_This is NOT just for me.  I want a distro that I can proclaim to the whole world.Sep 25 14:53
cubexyzsince OpenBSD is based in CanadaSep 25 14:54
msb_Does OpenBSD have all the up to date apps like video editors?Sep 25 14:54
cubexyzI think it's a bit foolish to rely on one distroSep 25 14:54
cubexyzit has OpenShot Sep 25 14:56
cubexyzand mplayer, mencoder, ffplay etcSep 25 14:56
msb_Most people will want to rely on one distro.Sep 25 14:57
msb_And they will have certain apps they want to use, which they want to find in that distro.Sep 25 14:57
msb_I'm not talking about gnome.  fuck that.  Use Trinity.Sep 25 14:58
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cubexyzwell I used to use FedoraSep 25 15:00
cubexyzbut I did switch over to other distrosSep 25 15:01
msb_Suse and Ubuntu have all the apps.Sep 25 15:01
msb_I think ubuntu was designed for idiots, but maybe it's better now.Sep 25 15:02
cubexyzbut then you're back to systemd (?)Sep 25 15:02
msb_right.  I want a distro that's based on one of them and uses their repo, but has replaced systemd.Sep 25 15:03
cubexyzI think you can still use upstart on Ubuntu Sep 25 15:04
MinceR204456 < msb_> Most people are not going to want to compile everything.Sep 25 15:04
cubexyzbut the final version of 15.04 uses systemd by defaultSep 25 15:04
MinceRthey'll have to, if they want to remove dependencies on shit like dbusSep 25 15:04
MinceRand avahi, pulseaudio, networkmanager, polkit, etcSep 25 15:05
cubexyzthe fact of the matter is if you want to avoid systemd some thinking is necessarySep 25 15:07
cubexyzeither go OpenBSD or ChromeOS, or one of the slackware derived distrosSep 25 15:07
MinceRor (probably) gentoo or funtooSep 25 15:08
msb_do they have all the up to date apps?Sep 25 15:08
cubexyzChromeOS has tons of appsSep 25 15:09
msb_there are also shims.  Like apulse substitutes for pulseaudio and makes skype work.Sep 25 15:10
msb_does ChromeOS work only on chromebooks?Sep 25 15:10
cubexyzthere's Chromium OSSep 25 15:11
cubexyzI haven't tried it, I think I'd prefer a proper Linux/BSD distroSep 25 15:12
DaemonFCmsb_, There's Chromeboxes too.Sep 25 15:12
cubexyzhttp://arnoldthebat.co.uk/wordpress/chromium-os/Sep 25 15:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arnoldthebat.co.uk | Chromium OS | ArnoldTheBats World of Whimsy [ http://ur1.ca/nuwzx ]Sep 25 15:13
DaemonFCThe Comcast tech came out and found a major signal leak two apartment buildings down from me. He said, "Damn! That's one leaky motherfucker! There's your problem right there.". LOLSep 25 15:14
DaemonFCHe tagged the guy's door and they'll try to catch him when he's home.Sep 25 15:14
cubexyzhttps://www.chromium.org/chromium-osSep 25 15:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.chromium.org | Chromium OS - The Chromium ProjectsSep 25 15:14
MinceRit would be better if applications were fixed instead of filling the OS with shimsSep 25 15:15
msb_OK, here's a list:Sep 25 15:15
msb_no systemdSep 25 15:15
MinceRskype only works for m$ and spy agencies anywaySep 25 15:15
msb_repo has all modern up-to-date appsSep 25 15:15
msb_large admin staff to bring in those appsSep 25 15:15
msb_binary distro -- don't have to compile everythingSep 25 15:15
msb_runs on any modern PCSep 25 15:15
MinceRi doubt such a thing existsSep 25 15:15
MinceRmaybe devuan will be thatSep 25 15:15
msb_MinceR: not relevant.  other apps may require pulseaudioSep 25 15:15
MinceRi suspect you wouldn't consider slackware's staff to be "large"Sep 25 15:16
cubexyzI'd say a chromebook/box is the easiest way to get someone started on the non-Microsoft planeSep 25 15:16
msb_This has to work for people who ALREADY HAVE A COMPUTER.Sep 25 15:16
MinceRapps that require pulseaudio are brokenSep 25 15:18
MinceRand for now, that particular cancer has not spread too much, afaikSep 25 15:18
msb_So if apulse shim fixes them, that's fine.Sep 25 15:18
cubexyzif you run OpenBSD you aren't going to have pulseaudio :)Sep 25 15:18
msb_does OpenBSD have all modern up-to-date apps?Sep 25 15:19
cubexyzthe truth of the matter is OpenBSD does not have everything Linux has, but it has some stuff Linux does not haveSep 25 15:19
cubexyzmost of the stuff does get ported, but not allSep 25 15:20
DaemonFCmsb_, Not always. Some of the desktops are depending more and more on stuff that only works on Linux, so they get stuck with old versions sometimes.Sep 25 15:20
DaemonFCKDE is better about that than GNOME, the last time I looked. They had code to integrate with systemd if that's present, but I don't think any of it has a hard dependency.Sep 25 15:21
msb_KDE3 is better than KDE4/5, and Trinity will never depend on systemdSep 25 15:22
msb_The important aspect of a DE is that it makes the OS easily usable, like having multiple virtual desktops.  The apps that come bundled with the DE are not important.  You can use any apps.Sep 25 15:24
DaemonFCShit. I've about filled an entire dumpster with just the crap I don't want to take with me on Monday.Sep 25 15:25
DaemonFCI tried to spread it out between two dumpsters so nobody would get mad at me for hogging it all, but I still have an elliptical machine that I broke down that needs to go in there. At least that's the last big thing.Sep 25 15:25
DaemonFCThere's a third dumpster on the other side of the complex. I'm throwing it all in my car and hauling it over there tonight.Sep 25 15:26
msb_Can't you give it to Good Will so they can fix and sell it?Sep 25 15:26
msb_the ellipticalSep 25 15:26
cubexyzI don't think Goodwill will take broken stuffSep 25 15:26
msb_yes, they pay poor people to fix it and they sell it win-winSep 25 15:27
DaemonFCcubexyz, Nah.Sep 25 15:27
DaemonFCI have an old rusty bicycle that I'm going to "donate" though.Sep 25 15:27
cubexyzI thought I remembered that Goodwill didn't take broken computers, but I could be wrongSep 25 15:28
cubexyzreading their policy nowSep 25 15:28
DaemonFCI tossed some old computers in the dumpster.Sep 25 15:28
DaemonFCNot worth making another trip so that I can get every piece of crap I've bought in the last 15 years into the new apartment.Sep 25 15:28
cubexyzok, looks like they do accept broken computersSep 25 15:28
msb_because they're modular, so easy to fixSep 25 15:29
cubexyzyes, I'm firmly in the fix-it camp Sep 25 15:29
DaemonFCOne worked, but it was too old to properly run even a Linux distribution.Sep 25 15:29
cubexyzhaSep 25 15:30
cubexyzI bet I could have run something on itSep 25 15:30
DaemonFCThe graphics chipset driver for Linux/X.org sucked and never got fixed.Sep 25 15:30
DaemonFCEventually deleted.Sep 25 15:30
cubexyzI've run Linux on 486sSep 25 15:34
DaemonFCIt depends on what your definition of "runs" is. ;)Sep 25 15:36
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/linux-486.jpgSep 25 15:36
DaemonFCGetting it to do something doesn't necessarily make it a useful computer.Sep 25 15:36
MinceRwell, if windows and macos can "run", then it certainly "runs"Sep 25 15:37
cubexyzwordprocessing? printing? IRC? Sep 25 15:37
cubexyza 486 can do a lot of thingsSep 25 15:37
cubexyzuse it as a firewallSep 25 15:41
cubexyzheck a Vax can do IRCSep 25 15:43
msb_MinceR: Please confine your pessimistic arguments with me to this channel.Sep 25 15:46
MinceRmsb_: please confine your political arguments to #boycottnovell-social Sep 25 15:47
cubexyzthat reminds me, do we really need a #boycottnovell still?Sep 25 15:48
msb_Do not follow me around, you goddamn mentally ill shitpig.Sep 25 15:48
MinceRi do not follow you anywhere, you retarded fascistic russowankerSep 25 15:50
MinceRcubexyz: ask Roy :)Sep 25 15:50
msb_you followed me to #devuanSep 25 15:50
XRevan86msb_: Isn't MinceR involved in #devuan ?Sep 25 15:51
MinceRi'm somewhat involvedSep 25 15:51
msb_yes, but when I said, in response to someone who said they'd just bought two Orange Pi's "THose little SBCs hold great hope for the world.  If everyone can have a $50 Linux computer then humanity can fight off world fascism."Sep 25 15:52
MinceRand i was there firstSep 25 15:52
MinceRbut msb_ never lets facts cloud his judgementSep 25 15:52
MinceRhit: if humanity wanted to fight off fascism, there would be no devuanSep 25 15:52
MinceRbecause debian wouldn't have tried to force cancerd on its usersSep 25 15:53
msb_mincer said, in #devuan "if only it wanted to"Sep 25 15:53
msb_IOW, his depressed delusion that people in general are shit.Sep 25 15:53
MinceRit's not a delusionSep 25 15:53
cubexyzI wouldn't say in general :-/Sep 25 15:53
MinceRit's enough to consider humanity's historySep 25 15:53
MinceRand what people generally do with democracySep 25 15:53
MinceRand how consumers derailed the IT industry into a shitfestSep 25 15:54
MinceRand what people generally did with religionsSep 25 15:54
MinceRetc.Sep 25 15:54
MinceRit's funny how msb_ insists humanity wants to fight fascism while msb_ himself advertises a prominent fascistSep 25 15:55
msb_MinceR: Here are 3 things that may help you.  Eventually you may stop lying about me.Sep 25 16:01
msb_1. Watch this David Korten video  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPiZJ5N9TkYSep 25 16:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | David Korten - The Great Turning - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/grbde ]Sep 25 16:01
msb_2. Read this pamphlet on Rational-Emotive Therapy  http://www.rational.org.nz/prof-docs/Intro-CBT.pdfSep 25 16:01
msb_3. Read _The Chalice and the Blade_ by Riane EislerSep 25 16:01
MinceRi've seen the video alreadySep 25 16:01
msb_Did you understand it?Sep 25 16:01
MinceRthere were some good ideas in it and also some baffling misconceptions (though no doubt they're common)Sep 25 16:02
MinceRmost of itSep 25 16:02
MinceRit was low quality so sometimes it was unclearSep 25 16:02
msb_you downloaded it?Sep 25 16:02
MinceRi didSep 25 16:02
msb_sometimes it helps to watch at lower speed, like .83 or .67Sep 25 16:03
MinceRthe sound recording is bad, the video is also bad and sometimes gets stuck on a frameSep 25 16:03
msb_what misconceptions?Sep 25 16:03
MinceRit also helps to use a good microphone in the right position for the recordingSep 25 16:03
MinceRlike what follows from evolution, or even what evolution isSep 25 16:03
MinceRor that from there being no god follows that you must be greedy and destructiveSep 25 16:04
MinceRsuch dismal shallownessSep 25 16:04
MinceRor how they're supposed to do this Great Turning if there are empires around which would no doubt easily beat them in a warSep 25 16:04
MinceR(that's pretty much the one thing they're good at, and the one thing they exist for)Sep 25 16:05
msb_he recommends option 3:  Sep 25 16:05
msb_Spirit       Integral            Love &                                                             Sep 25 16:05
msb_                                      SharingSep 25 16:05
MinceRyeah, love and sharing would be such a successful tactic against, say, microsoftSep 25 16:05
MinceRthey'd take everything and screw you for your troubleSep 25 16:05
msb_people and organizations gradually switching to pro-human methods.Sep 25 16:06
MinceRhow will they survive and compete against anti-human people and organizations?Sep 25 16:06
msb_Linux sharing IS successfull against Microshit.Sep 25 16:06
MinceRyes, because it's not totally sharing, via copyleftSep 25 16:06
msb_By working with each other.Sep 25 16:06
MinceRm$ couldn't just take everything and sell itSep 25 16:06
MinceRthat's why they're so madSep 25 16:06
msb_Try reading the RET pamphlet.  Maybe you will stop always focussing your mind on the most negative things.Sep 25 16:07
MinceRre evolution: there are actually quite well known examples of how changes in the environment doomed formerly highly successful, highly specialized speciesSep 25 16:08
MinceRbut to know about stuff like that, one needs to look beyond the straw men fundies present people withSep 25 16:08
msb_and that relates to Korten's ideas how?Sep 25 16:09
MinceRhe claimed that from evolution follows the idea that if we keep doing what we do as humans, we're invincibleSep 25 16:09
MinceRwhich of course doesn'tSep 25 16:09
MinceReven the commonly quoted "survival of the fittest" is inaccurateSep 25 16:10
cubexyzsurvival of the most adaptableSep 25 16:10
MinceRand regarding the recommended religion: isn't lying to people to control them a bad thing to do?Sep 25 16:10
MinceRmore like extinction of the least adequateSep 25 16:10
cubexyzthe dinosaurs were unlucky :)Sep 25 16:11
MinceRexcept for the birdsSep 25 16:12
MinceRbut yeah, non-bird dinosaurs were hugely successful until they suddenly weren'tSep 25 16:12
MinceRand apparently humans believe this couldn't happen to themSep 25 16:12
cubexyzit couldSep 25 16:13
cubexyza super-nova close enough to usSep 25 16:13
msb_Korten doesn't recommend a religion, just thinking of ourselves as spiritual beings.Sep 25 16:14
MinceRhe also says that knowing there's no "God" is bad and makes us evil and greedySep 25 16:14
XRevan86That explains why I'm evil and greedy.Sep 25 16:15
MinceRlolSep 25 16:16
msb_MinceR: you are misinterpreting Korten, as you misinterpret and distort nearly everything to fit your depression-paranoia-delusion.Sep 25 16:17
XRevan86GNU/Linux users are tend to be atheists.Sep 25 16:17
XRevan86Maybe it's the greed that stops us from using costy Windows and OS X %)Sep 25 16:17
MinceRmsb_: also, i wonder what could have possibly given you the idea that the russian empire runs on a partnership model.Sep 25 16:17
XRevan86Makes sense not.Sep 25 16:17
MinceRXRevan86: our greed for a system that worksSep 25 16:18
msb_I never said it did, you goddamn shitty liar.Sep 25 16:18
MinceRwe don't have the humility to settle for "God"'s officially anointed shitSep 25 16:18
XRevan86I don't get itSep 25 16:18
XRevan86MinceR: When did msb_ say that?Sep 25 16:19
XRevan86I remember no such thing.Sep 25 16:19
MinceRXRevan86: he keeps propping up putinSep 25 16:19
XRevan86> puthinSep 25 16:19
MinceRwhile also promoting these other ideas that seem to be diametrically opposed to what putin doesSep 25 16:19
XRevan86> putin*Sep 25 16:19
XRevan86> russian empireSep 25 16:19
msb_I never said it, or anything like it.  MinceR just lied.Sep 25 16:20
MinceRyou keep using that word.Sep 25 16:21
MinceRi don't think it means what you think it means.Sep 25 16:21
msb_What I said is that Putin has done some good things: opposed US power, formed the Eurasian Coalition, helped the people of Crimea and SyriaSep 25 16:22
MinceRthat's an interesting concept of "helping"Sep 25 16:23
MinceRalso, from this follows that kim jong-un is a saint, as he too opposes the usaSep 25 16:24
msb_And I said it right after I said that Bernie Sanders, Syriza, Jeremy Corbyn, Pope Francis have all become active at this time, so it seems like humanity is taking a turn for the better.Sep 25 16:25
msb_No, MinceR, that does NOT follow.  It's word-salad.Sep 25 16:25
MinceRtoday we learn that logical conclusions that are inconvenient to msb_ are called "word salad"Sep 25 16:26
MinceRand yes, the international pedophile party are doing so much good for humanitySep 25 16:26
MinceRlike introducing kids to sex and preventing pedophile priests from being tried for itSep 25 16:27
MinceRand like telling leading scientists what not to researchSep 25 16:27
MinceRand like propping up dictatorshipsSep 25 16:27
MinceRand like promoting AIDS in africaSep 25 16:27
msb_Its not a logical conclusion because Kim has not done anything to oppose US power (while Putin has), and he's done a lot of evil things (which Putin hasn't).Sep 25 16:28
MinceRand like promoting overpopulation everywhereSep 25 16:28
MinceRputin has done a lot of evil thingsSep 25 16:28
MinceRbut of course this is not conceivable to a putin worshipperSep 25 16:28
MinceRso, since dubya harmed the usa, does that make him a good guy?Sep 25 16:29
msb_MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME.  Saying someone did some good things is not the same as worshipping them.  Even you have done some good things, but I certainly don't worship you.Sep 25 16:36
MinceRit's putin you're infatuated with, though, not meSep 25 16:37
msb_MinceR: Harming the US is very different from opposing its attacks on other nations.Sep 25 16:37
MinceRopposing its attacks with attacks?Sep 25 16:38
msb_MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME!  I am not infatuated with Putin.Sep 25 16:38
msb_Putin did not attack Crimea.  He took it in when its citizens overwhelmingly requested it.Sep 25 16:38
MinceRputin did attack crimeaSep 25 16:39
MinceRhe marched his army into itSep 25 16:39
MinceRand he took over the region via lethal threatsSep 25 16:39
MinceRalso, you may want to ask the crimean tatars how well it worked out for themSep 25 16:39
MinceRand all this started from ukraine wanting to move on from being a worthless hellhole to improve their economy and democracy with help from the westSep 25 16:40
MinceRputler of course still considers ukraine to be his propertySep 25 16:40
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MinceRand yet you paint him as the hero of this storySep 25 16:40
MinceRwhich is totally ludicrousSep 25 16:40
MinceRand again, the "eurasian coalition" is just a collection of russia and a few states russia dominates and considers to be its propertySep 25 16:41
MinceR(similarly to how states under the control of the ussr weren't free to choose their political or economical systems)Sep 25 16:41
MinceRputin is also threatening the world (especially europe) with nuclear apocalypse, but you somehow don't mind that eitherSep 25 16:42
MinceRperhaps your Great Turning is actually Turning Into Irradiated Ash?Sep 25 16:43
msb_http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine/5371554Sep 25 16:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | The U.S. has Installed a Neo-Nazi Government in Ukraine | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization [ http://ur1.ca/ji3em ]Sep 25 16:43
MinceRhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/the-fda-and-big-pharmas-latest-killer-agenda-destroy-homeopathic-medicine/5455093Sep 25 16:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | The FDA and Big Pharma’s Latest Killer Agenda: Destroy Homeopathic Medicine | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization [ http://ur1.ca/nuxhl ]Sep 25 16:43
MinceRhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/vaccination-myths-and-truths/14618Sep 25 16:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | Vaccination Myths and Truths | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization [ http://ur1.ca/nuxho ]Sep 25 16:43
MinceRhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/drug-companies-donated-millions-to-california-lawmakers-prior-to-forced-vaccination-bill/5457393Sep 25 16:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | Drug Companies Donated Millions to California Lawmakers Prior to Forced Vaccination Bill | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization [ http://ur1.ca/nuxhp ]Sep 25 16:43
MinceRalso, it's interesting how every time putler attacks someone, the victims are blamed automaticallySep 25 16:44
MinceRapparently everyone who dares oppose the great fascist leader is by definition evilSep 25 16:44
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msb_This line is a keeper: "<MinceR> and all this started from ukraine wanting to move on from being a worthless hellhole to improve their economy and democracy with help from the west"Sep 25 16:57
msb_No mention of a coup against a democratically elected government, with the help of 5 billion dollars from the US and murderous violence from Svoboda and Right-Sector, which come from Stefan Bandera who fought with the Nazis in WW2.  Sep 25 16:59
msb_No wonder MinceR constantly misuses the word Fascism.  He doesn't want us to think about the concept it refers to.Sep 25 17:00
MinceRno mention of putin's human rights abuses, both on territory internationally recognized as being part of russia and on territory he invadedSep 25 17:01
msb_Could MinceR be working for the US govt?  He doesn't have much of an audience here, but the govt has trillions of dollars to throw around.Sep 25 17:01
MinceRno mention of the half-naked putin on a horse poster that's on the wall of msb_'s bedroomSep 25 17:01
MinceRit's a pity that msb_ doesn't get anything tangible out of fighting for putin in the kremlin's troll armySep 25 17:02
MinceRmsb_: i forgot. was your position that the ussr was a well-working democracy with its citizens enjoying all sorts of freedoms or that putin's regime is dramatically different from the ussr?Sep 25 17:03
msb_Summary of Mincer's mental illness:Sep 25 17:15
msb_1. If something bad might happen, even with a low probability, he assumes it _will_ happen.Sep 25 17:15
msb_2. If something negative occurs, he assumes that it will be expanded and exaggerated as much as possible.Sep 25 17:15
msb_3. If something isn't perfect, he thinks that it doesn't exist at all. Sep 25 17:15
msb_4. He creates fantasies about what he thinks are people's bad intentions, and thinks they are true.Sep 25 17:15
msb_5. He keeps telling the same lies over and over again, no matter how many times they are refuted.Sep 25 17:15
msb_6. He thinks that the object of his paranoia, Vladimir Putin, is out to get him personally.Sep 25 17:15
msb_7. That causes his associative mind, which takes statements literally, to become very frightened.Sep 25 17:15
MinceRlet me guess, that wasn't a personal attackSep 25 17:15
MinceRright?Sep 25 17:15
msb_It is verifiable fact.Sep 25 17:16
MinceR(no doubt it was easier to invent than answer the question)Sep 25 17:16
msb_I don't know what life in Russia is like.  Ask XRevan86.Sep 25 17:16
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MinceRyet you keep putting your foot in your mouth about itSep 25 17:17
MinceRand attack people who disagreeSep 25 17:17
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MinceRXRevan86: how is the current russia different from the ussr?Sep 25 17:40
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msb_Sequence of posts about the Ukraine Nazi coup:Sep 25 18:45
msb_1. MinceR describes the Nazi overthrow of the Ukraine govt, with $5billion from the US and two Nazi armies shooting people from rooftops, as Ukraine wanting to improve its economy with aid from the West.Sep 25 18:45
msb_2. I post a link to an article in globalresearch.ca describing the coup accurately, including a picture of the soldiers in Nazi uniformsSep 25 18:45
msb_3. MinceR posts links to articles from globalresearch talking about harm done by vaccines.  He thinks that vaccines never do harm, so he thinks that proves that GR.ca is unreliable.Sep 25 18:45
msb_4. I note that MinceR's statement about the Ukraine coup omits all the important facts.Sep 25 18:45
msb_5. MinceR claims I have a half-naked picture of Putin on my bedroom wall.Sep 25 18:45
MinceRand again, ad hominems instead of the pointSep 25 18:48
MinceRit's a pretty wild idea to expect a fascist to be one's ally in an alleged fight against fascismSep 25 18:48
MinceRit's similar to the delusion widely held (including in hungary) that if two forces oppose each other, one of them must necessarily be a force for goodSep 25 18:49
MinceRand of course to msb_ nazism means a few symbols and uniformsSep 25 18:51
MinceRwho cares about democracy, freedom, human rightsSep 25 18:51
MinceRthe only thing that matters is what you put on your flagSep 25 18:51
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XFaCEMinceR: yo my friendSep 25 18:55
MinceRj0Sep 25 18:55
XFaCEbreaking news, the UN officially outs themselves as a jokeSep 25 18:55
msb_MinceR: Why don't you attempt to justify your actions that I've listed above -- totally lying by omission on the Maidan coup, trying to smear globalresearch with USgovt backed lies about vaccines, sexual smear against me.  ???Sep 25 18:55
MinceRdidn't the WIPO (among others) reveal the UN to be a joke already? :>Sep 25 18:55
MinceRmsb_: you regurgitate russian government propaganda, wasting everyone's timeSep 25 18:56
XFaCEwell yeahSep 25 18:56
XFaCEMinceR: but this takes the pieSep 25 18:56
msb_The Russian govt has told the truth about the Nazi Ukraine coup.  Many diverse journalists agree with it.Sep 25 18:57
MinceRthe russian government has been running a concerted disinformation campaign for some time nowSep 25 18:58
MinceRincluding lying about their enemies and spreading all the conspiracy theories they can findSep 25 18:58
msb_about the Nazi Ukraine coup?Sep 25 18:58
MinceRukraine is one of their enemies, yesSep 25 18:58
MinceRrussia does not respect ukraine's sovereigntySep 25 18:59
msb_Russia was fine with ukraine's sovereignty until the US govt installed a Nazi coup government there.Sep 25 19:00
MinceRthat's bullshitSep 25 19:00
msb_That was the beginning of this whole conflict.Sep 25 19:00
MinceRand that's also bullshitSep 25 19:01
MinceRit also doesn't make any senseSep 25 19:01
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MinceRif it was up to the usa to choose what government to install, they would have avoided including those two far-right groups you keep pointing toSep 25 19:01
MinceRas it does not serve their interests to have them thereSep 25 19:02
msb_The US backed the coup for the purpose of starting a fight with Russia.  Same reason the CIA put 10,000 armed jihadists in Syria to overthrow the Assad govt.Sep 25 19:04
MinceRand the whole revolution grew out of ukraine's talks about joining the eu, iircSep 25 19:04
MinceRand russia shutting them downSep 25 19:04
msb_Russia shutting what down?Sep 25 19:04
MinceRukraine's efforts to strengthen their ties with the EUSep 25 19:06
msb_How did Russia do that?Sep 25 19:06
MinceRi don't remember the exact detailsSep 25 19:06
msb_Do you remember _any_ details, or is this another of your fantasies?Sep 25 19:07
msb_And how do you account for the Nazi Ukraine govt shooting down MH-17?Sep 25 19:08
MinceRthat's a russian fabricationSep 25 19:08
MinceReven the russians can't decide how they think it happenedSep 25 19:09
MinceRthey've published several conflicting tales on the matterSep 25 19:09
msb_I've showed you the pictures of the metal with holes from both sides.  From a German pilot, not from the Russian govt.Sep 25 19:09
XFaCEr_schestowitz: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/09/24/the-united-nations-has-a-radical-dangerous-vision-for-the-future-of-the-web/Sep 25 19:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | The United Nations has a radical, dangerous vision for the future of the Web - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/nuyat ]Sep 25 19:09
XFaCEr_schestowitz: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/647410648079577090Sep 25 19:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wikileaks: Online 'gender wars' instrumentalized by UN for mass online #censorship https://t.co/jJlCWge3VK pushed by Sweden: http://t.co/AhyiL6fRabSep 25 19:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.stockholminternetforum.se | First #SIF15 session revealed – Gender based violence online | Stockholm Internet ForumSep 25 19:10
MinceRmsb_: yes, you've showed pictures and allegationsSep 25 19:10
MinceRand now apparently you're an expert in such thingsSep 25 19:11
msb_The pictures show bullet holes from both sides, thus from the two Nazi Ukraine fighter jets that witnesses saw with the plane.Sep 25 19:11
msb_Which, BTW, the Nazi Ukraine air traffic controller diverted _into_ the war zone.Sep 25 19:12
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan#Initial_causesSep 25 19:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Euromaidan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nuybb ]Sep 25 19:12
MinceRhere are the detailsSep 25 19:12
MinceR(which you will obviously ignore)Sep 25 19:12
MinceRah, so you can tell bullet holes from holes made by AA missilesSep 25 19:13
msb_wikipedia is controlled by the US government.  It calls 911 research "conspiracy theory":.Sep 25 19:13
XFaCEmsb_: Wikipedia is controlled by ultraPC censorship loving progressivesSep 25 19:13
MinceRno, it calls 9/11 conspiracy theories "conspiracy theory"Sep 25 19:14
msb_I can tell that some holes were created by bullets coming from one side and some from the other.  A missile would have made holes only from one side.  The two fighter jets made them from both sides.Sep 25 19:14
MinceRand of course we're back to the old routine that whoever says something that's inconvenient to putin is controlled by the us governmentSep 25 19:15
MinceRor some other absurd circular bullshit like thatSep 25 19:15
MinceRyou don't even know where those photos come fromSep 25 19:15
MinceRyou don't know how many missiles were firedSep 25 19:15
MinceRetc.Sep 25 19:15
MinceRyou merely assume whatever seems to support the russian party line at the momentSep 25 19:16
msb_In the demolition of the World Trade Center, 10-ton girders were blown horizontally at 70mph.  How was that the result of a gravity collapse?  Do you understand that F=ma is a _vector_ equation?Sep 25 19:16
msb_No one has said that more than one missile was fired at MH-17.Sep 25 19:17
MinceRhow did the "demolition" of the WTC affect that airliner?Sep 25 19:17
MinceRdid the debris from the WTC destroy the plane or what?Sep 25 19:17
msb_I wrote that because you said that the 911 research is a "conspiracy theory".Sep 25 19:17
MinceRyes, you're trying to divert from one topic to another in an attempt to waste everyone's timeSep 25 19:18
MinceRand avoiding answering any of the important questionsSep 25 19:18
msb_You are the one that wrote this:  "<MinceR> no, it calls 9/11 conspiracy theories "conspiracy theory""Sep 25 19:18
MinceRmsb_: a question you ignored before: was your position that the ussr was a well-working democracy with its citizens enjoying all sorts of freedoms or that putin's regime is dramatically different from the ussr?Sep 25 19:19
msb_I didn't ignore it.  I wrote: "14:17] <msb_> I don't know what life in Russia is like.  Ask XRevan86."Sep 25 19:20
MinceRbut you surely have a working assumption?Sep 25 19:21
msb_No I don't.Sep 25 19:21
MinceRahSep 25 19:21
MinceRso you support putin's regime regardless of what it doesSep 25 19:21
MinceRthat's nice.Sep 25 19:21
msb_I never said any such thing.  You are lying.Sep 25 19:22
MinceRyou propose current russia as the model of democracy and freedom all other states (but especially the usa) should aspire to and convert to, without knowing what it really is.Sep 25 19:22
MinceRyou wish to submit as many people as possible (in crimea and elsewhere) to putin's rule without knowing what that rule entails.Sep 25 19:22
MinceRand you paint yourself as an enemy of fascism.Sep 25 19:22
msb_I never said anything like that.  Sep 25 19:22
MinceRyou merely said the things those things logically follow fromSep 25 19:23
XRevan86msb_, MinceR: I have a proposal: why don't you discuss this matter in PM?Sep 25 19:23
MinceRyour position is absurd.Sep 25 19:23
MinceRXRevan86: msb_ wants an audience.Sep 25 19:23
msb_The people of Crimea voted to join Russia.  And 700,000 refugees from Ukraine have fled to Russia.Sep 25 19:23
MinceRyes, in a mock "referendum" under threat by an armySep 25 19:23
MinceRand yes, the russian government reported refugees from ukraineSep 25 19:23
XRevan86This discussion is sick at both sides.Sep 25 19:24
MinceRas they usually say whatever they think supports their effortsSep 25 19:24
MinceRalso, russian media uses actors to portray these alleged "refugees"Sep 25 19:24
MinceRand i've linked to a report to thatSep 25 19:24
MinceRand msb_ ignored it, as usualSep 25 19:24
MinceRmaybe msb_ also wishes to avoid discussing rights more relevant to technology, such as the UN's plans for global internet censorship.Sep 25 19:25
msb_I wrote that Bernie Sanders, Syriza, Jeremy Corbyn and Pope Francis are all doing good things now, and that even Putin is trying to  protect the people of Syria, and started the Eurasian Coalition, so good things are happening.  That's when Mincer attacked me.Sep 25 19:26
MinceRand again, the ad for the pedophile leader and the fascist idolSep 25 19:27
MinceRdo they pay you per impression, msb_?Sep 25 19:27
MinceRalso, how do you think "good things are happening" if you _admitted_ you don't know what's happening?Sep 25 19:27
msb_Do they pay you per lie, MinceR?Sep 25 19:27
MinceRyou keep using that word, msb_ Sep 25 19:27
msb_You keep lying.Sep 25 19:28
MinceRyou keep using that word, msb_ Sep 25 19:28
msb_Yes, because you keep lying.Sep 25 19:28
XRevan86systemdSep 25 19:28
MinceRmsb_: i don't think it means what you think it means.Sep 25 19:28
XFaCEXRevan86: I think Poettering is gushing over this UN announcementSep 25 19:29
msb_Good that you've seen Princess Bride, but I certainly know what lying is.Sep 25 19:30
MinceRno, you certainly don'tSep 25 19:30
XFaCEProbably programming a censorshipD addon to systemd right nowSep 25 19:30
msb_For example, you just wrote that I "_admitted_ [I] don't know what's happening".  I know a lot about what's happening.Sep 25 19:31
MinceRjust not what mattersSep 25 19:31
MinceRlike what is the nature of the regime you wish to extend to as many people as possibleSep 25 19:31
XRevan86XFaCE: What announcement is that exactly?Sep 25 19:31
MinceR(while somehow not being so willing to subject yourself to it, revealing you for the hypocrite you are.)Sep 25 19:32
XFaCEXRevan86: [19:09:19]<XFaCE> r_schestowitz: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/09/24/the-united-nations-has-a-radical-dangerous-vision-for-the-future-of-the-web/Sep 25 19:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | The United Nations has a radical, dangerous vision for the future of the Web - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/nuyat ]Sep 25 19:32
XRevan86XFaCE: Great Maker.Sep 25 19:32
XFaCEgreat maker?Sep 25 19:33
MinceRShai-Hulud.Sep 25 19:33
XRevan86XFaCE: The highest Centauri god.Sep 25 19:34
msb_MinceSep 25 19:36
msb_MinceR: Lied about me again:  "the regime you wish to extend to as many people as possible"Sep 25 19:37
XFaCEahSep 25 19:37
XRevan86msb_: systemd is greatSep 25 19:37
MinceRyou keep supporting putin's imperialistic actions, including annexations.Sep 25 19:37
msb_I have never said I want Russia to take over the world.Sep 25 19:37
XRevan86MinceR: Devuan is awfulSep 25 19:37
MinceRmsb_: just a part of it?Sep 25 19:37
XRevan86just horribleSep 25 19:37
XRevan86the worstSep 25 19:38
MinceRmsb_: how big a part of the world would you have humanity hand over to russia, exactly?Sep 25 19:38
XRevan86XFaCE: They don't even notice.Sep 25 19:38
msb_XRevan86: In what way.  AFAIK it's still in alpha.Sep 25 19:38
MinceRmsb_: do you want them to have crimea? eastern ukraine? all of ukraine? estonia? latvia? lithuania? poland? hungary? moldova? romania? germany? all of europe?Sep 25 19:38
XRevan86msb_: It has no systemd, of course :).Sep 25 19:38
MinceRXRevan86: pre-release bugs or conceptual issues?Sep 25 19:39
XRevan86MinceR: Just distracting from the endless holywar.Sep 25 19:39
MinceRXRevan86: ah.Sep 25 19:39
msb_I want Russia to have whoever wants to be in Russia.  No more, no less.Sep 25 19:39
XRevan86MinceR: Does it work?Sep 25 19:39
XFaCEXRevan86: Gentoo FTWSep 25 19:40
MinceRXRevan86: i've tried it a few months ago, back then i could not disinfect it of systemd to a satisfactory extent, but i expect things to improve until the releaseSep 25 19:40
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MinceRof course if i want to go further (especially dbus), i'll have to use a source distro.Sep 25 19:40
MinceRi don't even know at this point to what extent i would/could remove poetteringware from the system i'm targetingSep 25 19:41
XRevan86MinceR: It is pretty systemd-free. One doesn't have to use systemd-shim even.Sep 25 19:41
MinceRso i can hardly expect a binary distro to have the solution to that alreadySep 25 19:41
MinceRXRevan86: can libsystemd0 be removed from an ordinary desktop install yet?Sep 25 19:42
XRevan86MinceR: I don't know, but I truly believe that doesn't matter.Sep 25 19:42
MinceRi think it should be removedSep 25 19:42
MinceRespecially considering the case of redcrap pushing malicious code in place of the alleged no-op in libsystemd as an "update"Sep 25 19:43
XRevan86MinceR: This harmless library doesn't reflect any of anti-systemd concerns.Sep 25 19:43
MinceRwhich debian would no doubt relay immediatelySep 25 19:43
MinceRXRevan86: i don't trust updates to that library, and i don't think that its inclusion and dependency on it is justifiable.Sep 25 19:43
MinceRhell, even replacing it with a _real_ no-op that is not controlled by redcrap would be an improvementSep 25 19:45
XRevan86MinceR: You really do hate systemd, do youSep 25 19:45
MinceRbut i'm pretty sure we can do better than thatSep 25 19:45
MinceRwhy yes, i hate having an effort to turn unix into windows forced onto meSep 25 19:45
XRevan86via libsystemdSep 25 19:46
MinceRvia systemd, gnome, kde, etc.Sep 25 19:46
MinceRoh, let's not forget debian 8Sep 25 19:46
MinceRalso, kdbusSep 25 19:46
MinceRand apparently there's an attempt to make firmware updates also require systemdSep 25 19:46
MinceR(or windows, or macos)Sep 25 19:47
msb_What's wrong with dbus, if it's not a part of systemd?Sep 25 19:47
MinceRdbus is a prime example of the braindead design principles redcrap is forcingSep 25 19:47
MinceRdbus was designed so that its clients can't deal with dbus being restartedSep 25 19:48
MinceRtherefore, to restart dbus you're supposed to rebootSep 25 19:48
MinceRand of course to upgrade dbus you'd have to restart dbusSep 25 19:48
MinceRand then they make everything depend on dbusSep 25 19:48
MinceRapparently, redcrap believes that servers and workstations should be restarted as often as toys running winblows.Sep 25 19:48
MinceRi think that such careless thinking is toxic and harmful to any mission critical application of IT.Sep 25 19:49
MinceRi think that such an attitude has no place in professional IT.Sep 25 19:49
msb_The whole description of it looks overly complex.  Couldn't the same thing be done with files and pipes?Sep 25 19:50
MinceRoh, and since the implementation of dbus is about as shitty as its design, redcrap is forcing it into the kernelSep 25 19:50
MinceRafaik it could be done better with files and socketsSep 25 19:50
MinceRor pipes, i'm not sure, i don't see named pipes oftenSep 25 19:51
XRevan86> and apparently there's an attempt to make firmware updates also require systemdSep 25 19:51
XRevan86What?Sep 25 19:51
MinceRalso, redcrap is trying to pressure Linus into merging kdbus even though it's pointless and toxicSep 25 19:51
MinceRXRevan86: i've seen some discussion of some mechanism that would be built into systemdSep 25 19:51
MinceRsounded like redcrap is trying to abuse its connections to hw vendors to force systemd on usersSep 25 19:51
XRevan86MinceR: Apparently you mean the unified UEFI firmware updates.Sep 25 19:52
MinceRmaybeSep 25 19:52
XRevan86which doesn't care, systemd or notSep 25 19:52
MinceRyeah, i guess uefi also has to have a hand in thisSep 25 19:52
MinceRbecause every piece of toxic shit has to be on the gravy trainSep 25 19:53
msb_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_domain_socketSep 25 19:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Unix domain socket - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nuyhm ]Sep 25 19:53
MinceRredcrap claims dbus is too slow because of kernel call overheadSep 25 19:53
MinceReven though Linus bothered to actually profile it and showed that it spends most of its time in broken glib shitSep 25 19:54
MinceRredcrap just tried to force it into the kernel for alleged performance issues they couldn't even be bothered to profileSep 25 19:54
MinceRalso, poettering said that the shiny new zero-copy messaging in kdbus actually doesn't even help performance with <512kB messagesSep 25 19:54
MinceRwho the hell sends >512kB messages on dbus?Sep 25 19:54
MinceRidiots, that's who.Sep 25 19:54
XRevan86That firmwary thing is fwupdSep 25 20:00
XRevan86and it doesn't depend on systemdSep 25 20:00
MinceRthat's goodSep 25 20:00
MinceRwait, does it depend on kdbus?Sep 25 20:00
XRevan86MinceR: on dbusSep 25 20:00
MinceRah, of courseSep 25 20:01
MinceRand then they'll probably change kdbus so dbus is no longer compatible with apps that use itSep 25 20:01
XRevan86https://github.com/hughsie Look at this guy.Sep 25 20:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com | hughsie (Richard Hughes) · GitHubSep 25 20:02
XRevan86He's capable of anything.Sep 25 20:02
XRevan86and he's Britain, tooSep 25 20:03
XRevan86British*Sep 25 20:03
MinceRand apparently associated with gnomSep 25 20:03
MinceReSep 25 20:03
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MinceRi finally watched citizenfourSep 25 20:24
DaemonFCI'm not watching many movies lately.Sep 25 20:44
DaemonFCPre-occupied with the move.Sep 25 20:45
DaemonFCI've busted down a bunch of old furniture and exercise equipment that was well worn out anyway.Sep 25 20:45
DaemonFCNow I have to figure out what to do with an old rusty bicycle.Sep 25 20:45
DaemonFCBy Monday, I want to be in and out. I don't want to be dicking around here in Huntington for a minute longer than I have to.Sep 25 20:46
MinceR:>Sep 25 20:46
*amarsh04 watched a preview of "The Martian" last weekSep 25 21:00
DaemonFCJ. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Sep 25 22:17
DaemonFCI haven't had any trouble out of my Galaxy S6, but I understand that a lot of Apple users have to cut down Android phones because that whole iOS thing isn't working out too well for them. Apple's own Move to iOS app doesn't even work right. It will silently drop files when it runs out of space on the iOS device, which is likely, since the amount of storage space on the base model S6 is 2-4 times more than an iPhone (5C and 6).Sep 25 22:17
DaemonFCBut since Apple can't be bothered to test anything before it goes out, why should anyone expect that to work?Sep 25 22:17
DaemonFCI suspect that Apple can't be bothered to do QA because they know people will buy them, bugs and all. Thousands of bugs. Really big bugs. Huge honkin' bugs. ;)Sep 25 22:18
MinceRnobody really cares if it worksSep 25 22:18
MinceRif they did, they wouldn't be buying crApple productsSep 25 22:18
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kyleriggyo guysSep 25 22:42
kylerigg9/11 was an inside job and the used holograms for planesSep 25 22:42
kyleriggi saw this picture where the wing just disappearsSep 25 22:42
kyleriggmsb_: Sep 25 23:24
kyleriggsomeone told me you are into the 9/11 stuffSep 25 23:24
kyleriggon google groupsSep 25 23:25
kyleriggthey said you knew all about the hologram planesSep 25 23:25
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msb_kylerigg: Hi!  Here's the start of my 911 stuff:  http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911Sep 25 23:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For EveryoneSep 25 23:43
msb_Here's the 911 disinfo  page:  http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/disinfo.htmlSep 25 23:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | The No-WTC-Planes/Video-Fakery/Energy-Beams Disinformation Gang [ http://ur1.ca/gnxmb ]Sep 25 23:44
msb_"hologram planes" are discussed in thereSep 25 23:44
msb_Wing disappearing is caused by the video compression algorithms used for processing all the videos.  They compress the video bandwidth by a factor of 10 or more by not transmitting parts of the image twice that are the same in successive frames, and by removing fine details that would not be seen by a viewer sitting at a normal distance from the TV and watching the video at normal speed.Sep 25 23:49
msb_This sometimes includes a wing or tail of the plane hitting the WTC.  Proof that the planes were not holograms include the fact that in some videos the plane is seen as a dark object against the bright sky.  There's no way a hologram projector can project darkness against an ambient bright background.Sep 25 23:51
msb_But 911 was definitely an inside job.  The simplest proof is the David Chandler video, which shows 10-ton girders being blown sideways during the fall of the north WTC tower.   Newton's Second Law: F = ma says that to propel something horizontally requires a horizontal force. Gravity is a vertical force. The horizontal force could only have been implanted explosives. Newton published his Laws of Motion in the year 1687.  The equation Sep 25 23:58
msb_for the Second Law, F=ma, is a _vector_ equation.  The quantities F (force) and a (acceleration) are vector quantities, meaning that they have both magnitude and direction,  To propel those girders horizontally requires a horizontal force, which had to come from explosives implanted in the building.  Sep 25 23:58
msb_RT just did a great show on the advantages of sharing information and ideas, and the disadvantages of patents and copyrights.  Hopefully it will be on their website and I'll post it here.Sep 26 00:05
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msb_Also the fact that the planes in both cases created plane-shaped holes of the right size with steel girders bent inward shows that they were solid objects.Sep 26 00:10
msb_All this was figured out within a year or two of the event, and the fact that the disinfo websites are still there and their owners still putting out occasional videos are good proof that they are government agents trying to discredit real scientific 911 research.  They call themselves researchers, but anyone with a basic knowledge of physics and engineering can see that their claims are absurd.  Thus they are trying to confuse casual Sep 26 00:16
msb_readers into think that real 911 researchers are talking nonsense.  Only the US (and Israeli) government has the motive for doing this.Sep 26 00:16
msb_think->thinkingSep 26 00:17
msb_Questions?  Comments?Sep 26 01:12
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cubexyzhologram planes? :)Sep 26 01:58
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msb_cubexyz: It's an attempt to discredit the 911 research by disinformation.  See the explanation starting about 2.5 hours ago.Sep 26 02:01
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msb_RT show, first segment about disadvantages of competition, advantages of sharing:  http://www.rt.com/shows/redacted-tonight-summary/316565-oil-spill-un-concert/Sep 26 05:07
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MinceRhttp://img.pr0gramm.com/2015/09/25/eb91c3e22b387b17.gifSep 26 08:36
MinceRyeah, command economy is totally different if you call it "sharing"Sep 26 08:37
MinceRoh waitSep 26 08:37
cubexyzhttp://globalfreedommovement.org/bill-gates-pledges-billions-to-earths-most-evil-companies/Sep 26 08:51
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msb_"<MinceR> yeah, command economy is totally different if you call it "sharing""  MinceR's paranoid delusions convert everything good into something evil for him.  The RT show said nothing about "command economy".  FOSS is sharing but is not "command economy".Sep 26 10:11
MinceRFOSS has plenty of competitionSep 26 10:12
MinceRat least until redcrap has their waySep 26 10:13
msb_That doesn't affect the refutation of the paranoid delusional claim that sharing means command economy,Sep 26 10:15
MinceRlack of competition means monopolySep 26 10:15
MinceRand we've all seen where that leadsSep 26 10:15
msb_There are many other examples of sharing that are not command economy -- sharing within a family, charity, worker-owned companies...Sep 26 10:16
msb_Competition or lack of it doesn't affect the refutation of the paranoid delusional claim that sharing means command economy,Sep 26 10:17
msb_MinceR: Your claim was wrong.  Admit it.Sep 26 10:17
MinceR"disadvantages of competition, advantages of sharing:"Sep 26 10:18
MinceRstop lying about what your claim was.Sep 26 10:18
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msb_MinceR: prove your claim that I am lying.Sep 26 10:19
MinceRi already have.Sep 26 10:19
MinceR161801 < MinceR> "disadvantages of competition, advantages of sharing:"Sep 26 10:19
MinceR110745 < msb_> RT show, first segment about disadvantages of competition, advantages of sharing:  Sep 26 10:19
MinceRi'm afraid you'll get what you asked for, thoughSep 26 10:20
MinceR(see: uefi, intel boot guard)Sep 26 10:21
msb_An example of disadvantage of competition is multiple car companies all doing R&D on new engines, and duplicating each other's work instead of sharing their ideas.Sep 26 10:22
msb_...openlySep 26 10:22
MinceRthat also results in a variety of approachesSep 26 10:22
MinceRthe first one is not guaranteed to be the bestSep 26 10:22
MinceRbut if you want to see how a lack of competition worked out, take a look at the ussr and the eastern bloc under its heel.Sep 26 10:23
msb_They can still try a variety of approaches, while benefitting from all the ideas instead of some of them.Sep 26 10:23
MinceRalso, just "multiple car companies" tends to be competitionSep 26 10:24
MinceR(unless competition is subverted, e.g. via a trust)Sep 26 10:24
cubexyzin software competition was subvertedSep 26 10:27
msb_MinceR always assumes an authoritarian society.  He can't conceive of a sharing, pro-human society as explained by David Korten.  MinceR's mind is so severely programmed that his imagination is totally limited to dystopias.Sep 26 10:27
cubexyzthat's changing finallySep 26 10:27
MinceRmsb_ always promotes authoritarian societySep 26 10:28
gde33|2your mum is authoritairan!Sep 26 10:28
MinceRlolSep 26 10:29
gde33|2here I wrote my dictator of earth joke of the day https://gaby.wordpress.com/2015/09/26/we-should-turn-education-into-a-paid-occupation/Sep 26 10:29
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gde33|2it is full of nice punsSep 26 10:29
msb_Software was shared from the beginning via Usenet, SIMTEL20, magazines like Byte and many others.Sep 26 10:30
gde33|2at first the real software was written and shared by 13 year oldsSep 26 10:30
gde33|2alien to the concept of enslaving othersSep 26 10:30
msb_MinceR lied about me again.  I _never_ promote authoritarian society!Sep 26 10:31
cubexyzthere was software sharing before usenetSep 26 10:31
MinceRperhaps in msb_'s dreams putin is not authoritarianSep 26 10:31
MinceRat first 13 year olds didn't even have access to computersSep 26 10:31
msb_cubexyz: yes, I think via uucp.Sep 26 10:31
gde33|2ill cite some of my briliant insights of the day: Money is an inanimate object. If you put a stack of it in front of you it wont grow legs and start building things.Sep 26 10:31
msb_Also bulletin-board-systems.Sep 26 10:32
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gde33|2MinceR: software before that was no goodSep 26 10:32
MinceRgde33|2: software still is no goodSep 26 10:32
cubexyzTed Bashkow gave a presentation about Unix in June 1972 at Murray HillSep 26 10:33
cubexyzthat's closer to the beginning... usenet didn't start until 1979Sep 26 10:33
MinceRsee also: http://oldfag.net/images.jpgSep 26 10:33
gde33|2MinceR: that is because slavery comes before the prosperity that never comesSep 26 10:33
cubexyzit's because of Bashkow's presentation that we still have Unix v1 in some formSep 26 10:34
gde33|2after thousands of years still no carrotSep 26 10:34
MinceRgde33|2: yupSep 26 10:34
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gde33|22 people: One holds up a type of contract and claims the other guys labor doesn’t belong to the other guy but is in fact his property. He claims the interest on his 1 million not just makes him the owner of the other guys labor but also that of his children, his grandchildren and so on, until the end of time.Sep 26 10:34
cubexyzwhat is /b/ ?Sep 26 10:34
MinceRgde33|2: but we're expected to believe that slavery leads to prosperitySep 26 10:34
MinceRcubexyz: i'm not at liberty to say. :)Sep 26 10:34
gde33|2MinceR: we do believe this!Sep 26 10:35
gde33|2put your hands on the screen and repeat after me I BELIEVE!Sep 26 10:35
cubexyzsimtel was mostly MSDOS stuff... not that importantSep 26 10:35
cubexyza sideshow at bestSep 26 10:35
cubexyzDECUS was more importantSep 26 10:36
msb_PCDOS stuff was very important.  People created a lot of great software for PCDOS.  I did so.Sep 26 10:36
kylerigg[23:49] <msb_> Wing disappearing is caused by the video compression algorithms used for processing all the videos.  They compress the video bandwidth by a factor of 10 or more by not transmitting parts of the image twice that are the same in successive frames, and by removing fine details that would not be seen by a viewer sitting at a normal distance from the TV and watching the video at normal speed.Sep 26 10:36
kyleriggwhat about the backdropSep 26 10:36
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cubexyzUnix was the true precursor of what we all use nowSep 26 10:37
kyleriggthe sky "coincidentally" changes to a pure blue backdropSep 26 10:37
cubexyznot MSDOS... stolen from CP/MSep 26 10:37
kyleriggcubexyz: nothing was stolen from CP/MSep 26 10:37
cubexyzsure it wasSep 26 10:37
msb_kylerigg: the background is extended as the same color as the surroundingSep 26 10:37
kyleriggcubexyz: microsoft bought it fair and squareSep 26 10:38
gde33|2one is to work like a slave or face the ultimate punishment. Not sudden death or a bunch of lashes (if only!) but a process of slowly dwindling away, losing friends, your cat, the car, the house and many years of your life if you can call it that and if you still want to live that is.Sep 26 10:38
gde33|2The process of excommunication is intentionally slow so that you can contribute to the economy by showing working people what happens if they cant find work anymore. Other civilizations used ritual sacrifice for this.Sep 26 10:38
cubexyzPaterson ripped off CP/MSep 26 10:38
kyleriggwelcome to earthSep 26 10:38
kylerigglinux ripped off unixSep 26 10:38
kylerigggnu ripped off unixSep 26 10:39
kylerigggnome ripped off apple and microsoftSep 26 10:39
kyleriggkde ripped off apple and microsoftSep 26 10:39
gde33|2there is a real problem with simply providing an income to everyone who doesn’t work. It is not that there is not enough food or that we cant build houses for everyone. The real problem is that a growing percentage of the population would completely uninvolved themselves with that what sustains them. We would end up expecting a tiny group of technocrats sustains us simply because we demand it. Our concept of problem “salving” wouSep 26 10:39
gde33|2ld deteriorate into waving our fist at it. We already have plenty of that, it hardly qualifies as a solution (if at all).Sep 26 10:39
kyleriggeveryone rips off everyoneSep 26 10:39
msb_As the RT show said, all ideas are based on previous ideas.Sep 26 10:39
msb_That's only "ripping off" in a society in which all ideas are "intellectual property" and "owned" by someone.Sep 26 10:40
MinceRkylerigg: afaik m$ bought a cp/m clone that was based on stolen cp/m codeSep 26 10:40
kyleriggsounds like conspiracy theorySep 26 10:40
MinceRlook who's talkingSep 26 10:40
gde33|2what does that mean when something is a CONSPIRACY THEORY?Sep 26 10:41
kyleriggm$ (evil dollar sign lulz), is a great company nowadaysSep 26 10:41
MinceRcrApple and m$ and everyone else ripped off Xerox PARCSep 26 10:41
kyleriggfor $7 i get unlimited cloud storage and office 2016 for osxSep 26 10:41
kyleriggand the xbox one is amazingSep 26 10:41
gde33|2is it a kind of crimethink?Sep 26 10:41
MinceRkylerigg: if suing companies for selling android devices is "great"Sep 26 10:41
cubexyzjust kick him out of hereSep 26 10:41
MinceRkylerigg: and if spyware botnet is "great"Sep 26 10:41
cubexyzor I'll do itSep 26 10:41
MinceRwhy? we don't kick anyoneSep 26 10:41
kyleriggMinceR: they could just stop using the FAT filesystem which microsoft ownsSep 26 10:41
gde33|2hahaaSep 26 10:41
MinceRkylerigg: you might want to talk to the guys maintaining the SD card standards about thatSep 26 10:42
cubexyzkylerigg, goSep 26 10:42
gde33|2MS uses the code from the 90's for fatSep 26 10:42
cubexyzleaveSep 26 10:42
kyleriggarent android vendors locking down their phones and not including SD card support anymore?Sep 26 10:42
cubexyzI can't be bothered talking to youSep 26 10:42
kylerigglike samsungSep 26 10:42
MinceRnot all of themSep 26 10:42
gde33|2We all get to take a swing at the puzzle but the requirements your answer must meet are quite unreasonable. It has to be something short and simple so that everyone may understand it while people really don’t have time to listen nor the mental state to ponder the proposal.Sep 26 10:42
kyleriggcubexyz: so the answer is that I leave cause ur butthurt?Sep 26 10:42
MinceRnot even most of them, afaictSep 26 10:42
cubexyzkylerigg, fuck offSep 26 10:42
kyleriggcensorshipSep 26 10:42
gde33|2something the size of an irc messageSep 26 10:43
gde33|2My answer would be: We should turn education into a paid occupation.Sep 26 10:43
MinceRkylerigg: we're not obligated to listen to what you have to say. that is not censorship.Sep 26 10:43
kyleriggi was being quite civilSep 26 10:43
msb_cubexyz: Leave kylerigg alone!Sep 26 10:43
MinceRkylerigg: you can start your own channel.Sep 26 10:43
msb_He could start his own channel but he's here with us. Sep 26 10:43
gde33|2stop hurting my but, good enough for meSep 26 10:43
gde33|2RAPE!Sep 26 10:44
MinceRlolSep 26 10:44
msb_If you disagree with him then refute what he's saying.Sep 26 10:44
*kylerigg defends microsoft, gets sworn at and gets told to leaveSep 26 10:44
kyleriggheck even dotnet is pure open source nowSep 26 10:44
gde33|2we are about technology ms is a marketing companySep 26 10:44
gde33|2not even the same sectorSep 26 10:44
MinceR"pure" as in "pure patent trap"Sep 26 10:44
MinceRm$ is a marketing/corruption/legal companySep 26 10:44
kyleriggit was all released under an open source license which guarantees its patents dont applySep 26 10:45
MinceRa criminal enterpriseSep 26 10:45
MinceRkylerigg: citation neededSep 26 10:45
kylerigghttps://github.com/Microsoft/dotnet/blob/master/LICENSESep 26 10:45
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gde33|2its such a nice prison, the food isn't so bad and the guards dont beat me that oftenSep 26 10:45
MinceRkylerigg: no patent license thereSep 26 10:46
MinceRjust a copyright licenseSep 26 10:46
kyleriggthey're granting unlimited useSep 26 10:46
kyleriggthey can't legally go and say you can'tSep 26 10:46
kyleriggcause of patentsSep 26 10:46
MinceRthe most we ever got was a "covenant not to sue" that only applied to a fraction of the .net/mono patent trapSep 26 10:46
MinceRand iirc not even to all usersSep 26 10:46
kyleriggmicrosoft never released code beforeSep 26 10:47
MinceRkylerigg: inform us how your court case goes when it goesSep 26 10:47
MinceRactually, they haveSep 26 10:47
kyleriggthere wont ever be oneSep 26 10:47
kyleriggthey dont careSep 26 10:47
msb_gde33|2: A system in which everyone is given a guaranteed minimum income does not have to suppress creativity.  People given enough money for food clothing and shelter (and medical care) will still want a car, TV, computer, maybe even a helicopter, and will work for it.  The government may have to employ them, e.g. for maintaining and improving infrastructure.Sep 26 10:47
gde33|2msb_: it would work for most people Sep 26 10:48
MinceR“I saw that internally inside Microsoft many times when I was told to stay away from supporting Mono in public. They reserve the right to sue”Sep 26 10:48
MinceR–Robert Scoble, former Microsoft evangelistSep 26 10:48
gde33|2msb_: not for all and everyone would be increasingly detached from that what sustains themSep 26 10:48
kyleriggMinceR: that sounds like hearsay to meSep 26 10:49
gde33|2My answer would be: We should turn education into a paid occupation. Don’t let the simplicity of the answer fool you, it was a requirement.Sep 26 10:49
MinceRkylerigg: the stuff you say sounds like bullshit to meSep 26 10:49
kyleriggMinceR: maybe he got fired and hes just making shit upSep 26 10:49
kyleriggMinceR: does he have proof?Sep 26 10:49
gde33|2msb_: My answer would be: We should turn education into a paid occupation. Don’t let the simplicity of the answer fool you, it was a requirement.Sep 26 10:49
MinceRkylerigg: do you?Sep 26 10:49
kylerigghttps://github.com/Microsoft/dotnet/blob/master/LICENSESep 26 10:49
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MinceRthat doesn't prove shitSep 26 10:49
kyleriggit proves you can use dotnetSep 26 10:49
MinceRno, it doesnSep 26 10:49
MinceR'tSep 26 10:49
msb_gde33|2: That's a very good idea!Sep 26 10:49
MinceRit proves you won't be sued for infringing on its copyrightSep 26 10:50
MinceRyou'll be sued for infringing on the patents insteadSep 26 10:50
gde33|2msb_: The idea offers a long term vision as well as short term gains and both poor and rich people should be able to agree about it. We have far to many people competing at the education free bottom of the job market. Many of them could have done better which strongly suggests they don’t belong there. Sep 26 10:50
kyleriggyeah and its abuse of court proceedings to give everyone a license and then sue themSep 26 10:50
MinceRyeah, because we aren't seeing any abuse of court proceedingsSep 26 10:50
MinceRoh waitSep 26 10:50
gde33|2msb_: There is no reason to expect physical labor to make a comeback (on the contrary) but would we ever run out of people there we can simply import them from less fortunate places or move production overthere. As long as our citizens are doing well for themselves this isn’t an issue.Sep 26 10:50
kyleriggFAT was reverse engineered and nobody from microsoft said "hey you can use FAT in everything"Sep 26 10:50
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MinceRthey still managed to force it on everyoneSep 26 10:51
MinceRfor example via SDSep 26 10:51
MinceRespecially SDXCSep 26 10:51
gde33|2msb_: but we do have to seriously retool educationSep 26 10:51
MinceR(exFAT)Sep 26 10:51
kyleriggand?Sep 26 10:51
kyleriggevery day something is forced on youSep 26 10:51
gde33|2msb_: We have madly outdated systems that follow methods from ancient militaristic regimes. Imagine a business with the desks positioned like that, with everyone listening to the manager all day. Taking notes etc A platoon of marching soldiers comes much closer to the formula.Sep 26 10:51
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gde33|2msb_: kids think of education as something they have to sit though. They perceive it as something temporary that one just has to survive.Sep 26 10:52
msb_gde33|2: Gaddafi provided a free university education to anyone who wanted it, before the US murdered him and destr0yed Libya.Sep 26 10:52
gde33|2msb_: other countries did and do provide free educationSep 26 10:53
gde33|2msb_: but it shouldn't be free, it should be paid workSep 26 10:53
kylerigganyway ill make everyone happy and leave, gonna go play xbox and improve my gamerscoreSep 26 10:53
kyleriggand look up achievement gets on my iphoneSep 26 10:53
gde33|2msb_: and last your whole life if need beSep 26 10:53
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gde33|2The applied formula is just bad then we also put the student on a tight schedule. The schedule begins to divide the citizenry into those who succeed and those who did not and will not. Ohhh that guy who got the flu at the wrong time, he barely made it! To bad for us, now we have to pay for him the rest of his life?Sep 26 10:53
msb_gde33|2: The Summerhill school provided a very relaxed and non-authoritarian environment.  It was very successful in educating kids.Sep 26 10:54
gde33|2msb_: there are such obvious stupidities in our education systemSep 26 10:54
msb_gde33|2: You are certainly correct in your description of most current education systems.Sep 26 10:54
gde33|2Look for laughs at memory athletes, thanks to simple training they are able to absorb many thousands of times as much information.Sep 26 10:54
gde33|2they can hold roughly 40 000 times as much information as average peopleSep 26 10:55
gde33|2in the same timeSep 26 10:55
msb_I knew everything that was taught to me in math and science from reading books, long before it was taught.Sep 26 10:56
gde33|2Look for laughs at speed reading, thanks to simple training they are able to read faster and faster. It goes so fast eventually that it seems a hoax.Sep 26 10:56
gde33|2Why don’t we teach this? If there is any reason it must be some pseudo academic clap trap riddled with lack of expertise about the fields.Sep 26 10:56
gde33|2We’ve all seen them, people who know nothing about a topic but declare themselves an expert on why it cant work.Sep 26 10:57
gde33|2How about a diet that contains the necessary resources to actually build a brain? There are no real world examples of building something without the necessary materials.Sep 26 10:57
gde33|2As we have phones and internet, teachers can be there for us when we need them. I imagine the right to study at home can be earned. If you fail the trials for some reason you have to show up at school every day of the week until the next trial.Sep 26 10:57
gde33|2slap some numbers on itSep 26 10:58
gde33|2Above 16 or so we can start paying people for getting educated depending on market demand for their field, as they get older the payments can increase to a decent living wage for good performance (slackers get a bit less) Then at some point a real job should be easy to find where one earns more and doesn’t have to work as hard. If people want to stay in school we can gradually turn them into teachers or homework assistants.Sep 26 10:58
gde33|2I for one look forwards to a conversation with average people that involves more than just last weeks media propaganda, drugs, alcohol, football, video games, movies, sex, financial drama and 1000 variations of how much [their] life sucks.Sep 26 10:59
gde33|2in short: We should turn education into a paid occupationSep 26 11:00
gde33|2no work > back to schoolSep 26 11:01
msb_gde33|2: Technology has advanced to the point even now when there are probably not enough jobs for everyone, even as teachers.  Certainly not at 40 hours/week.  But paid education would certainly result in people leading more creative lives than most do today.Sep 26 11:02
gde33|2in 20 years you have an economy so far ahead of everyone else that it seems like they live in the stone ageSep 26 11:03
gde33|2Public discourse, the media, politics, the internet, it will all transform beyond recognition.Sep 26 11:03
msb_Actually, people broadcasting interesting and creative stuff via the Internet is a whole new occupation, that would be very good for society.Sep 26 11:04
gde33|2with enough education, if you have some idea or an opinion about something you can submit it to a peer reviewed journalSep 26 11:04
msb_We already have a lot of it in Youtube.Sep 26 11:04
gde33|2it is all tailored for the great unwashedSep 26 11:04
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msb_What is?Sep 26 11:05
gde33|2It is not by magic that average men bussy themselves with stupid topics, the media is essentially the enemy of education.Sep 26 11:05
gde33|2Knowingly or not their goal is to keep people dumb so that they can translate things written by professionals into dumb language and sell products in the process. Sep 26 11:05
msb_Yes, the commercial media is.  But youtube has lots of good stuff if you look for it,.Sep 26 11:06
gde33|2Opinion journalism by nature hates scrutiny.Sep 26 11:06
gde33|2Making popular videos are like skilled journalism, it successfully appeals to the most primitive of emotions to keep the audience as broad as possible.Sep 26 11:06
gde33|2*is likeSep 26 11:07
gde33|2You can’t do much inside the format beyond sensationalism, there is no step by step agenda to teach you anything. Sep 26 11:07
gde33|2Every page is page 1Sep 26 11:07
gde33|2You are learning about things by reading articles but any knowledge that doesn’t serve you is part of the problem not part of the solution.Sep 26 11:07
gde33|2If everyone has a higher skill level and public discours bussies it self with the sciences and other skolarly topics the media has no choice but to follow.Sep 26 11:08
gde33|2no more "I'm not a scientist but..." type of emo appealsSep 26 11:08
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Touch Weather App Reboot Approved, FileSep 26 11:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com | Ubuntu Touch Weather App Reboot Approved, File Manager to Receive Samba Support - SoftpediaSep 26 11:09
msb_There are many good videos in youtube that are made to communicate particular important information, not to appeal to lowest-common-denominator audience.Sep 26 11:09
gde33|2I know, I'm thinking to bring the average viewer up to that levelSep 26 11:09
gde33|2look how gaming eclipses all other topicsSep 26 11:10
gde33|2videos with hundreds of millions of views with some guy playing pacman in itSep 26 11:10
gde33|2like apesSep 26 11:10
gde33|2no, worse than apesSep 26 11:10
gde33|2lolSep 26 11:10
gde33|2the viewers made it into the new normalSep 26 11:11
MinceRtechnically, we're all apes :>Sep 26 11:11
gde33|290% ape 10% pig Sep 26 11:11
msb_Paying people to learn is a good idea.  And some people will light up and find that they're being paid for learning something they really enjoy!Sep 26 11:12
MinceR50% man 50% bear 50% pigSep 26 11:12
gde33|2its like you have a giant network of 8 billion supper computers then you use it to watch porn on all screensSep 26 11:12
gde33|2msb_: it is more the same now but it use to be that in the US a drivers licence was normal while here everyone had a bicycleSep 26 11:13
gde33|2not having a licence in the US was seriously missing outSep 26 11:13
gde33|2it was not normalSep 26 11:13
gde33|2we can do that with all types of expertiseSep 26 11:14
gde33|2if we teach everyone assembly those who dont know it will feel they are missing outSep 26 11:14
gde33|2or take how most people can find countries on the map nowadaysSep 26 11:15
gde33|2it wasn't always like thatSep 26 11:15
gde33|2it use to be perfectly acceptable if you knew only your own country by name and those next to itSep 26 11:15
gde33|2hah, do you remember when interface testing had people sitting there gazing at the screen?Sep 26 11:17
gde33|2not clicking anythingSep 26 11:17
gde33|2did you ever see that?Sep 26 11:17
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cubexyzsee Paterson Vs EvansSep 26 11:17
cubexyzlawsuit dismissedSep 26 11:17
cubexyzDigital Research should have suedSep 26 11:18
cubexyzPaterson is still talking about it to this day'Sep 26 11:19
gde33|2cubexyz: link?Sep 26 11:19
cubexyzhttp://dosmandrivel.blogspot.com/2007/08/is-dos-rip-off-of-cpm.htmlSep 26 11:19
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cubexyzKildall fought back with DR-DOSSep 26 11:22
cubexyzsort of copying the copierSep 26 11:22
MinceRwhich didn't workSep 26 11:23
msb_gde33|2: I did contract programming at a company where the head of QA was a very intelligent and personable woman, who was reprimanded when she found serious flaws in the software UI.Sep 26 11:23
MinceR"stop finding bugs!"Sep 26 11:23
gde33|2cubexyz: before that people would write their own tools, not sure if standardisation was such a great ideaSep 26 11:23
gde33|2msb_: hahaSep 26 11:23
msb_In fact, I think she was demoted.Sep 26 11:23
gde33|2today no one gets uiSep 26 11:24
gde33|2I have a vague clue how it should work but not much experienceSep 26 11:24
MinceRa few people do but they don't have much powerSep 26 11:24
MinceRunix largely got it rightSep 26 11:24
gde33|2not at allSep 26 11:24
cubexyzMinceR, because of dirty tricks like the AARD codeSep 26 11:25
gde33|2if you have to read any documentation the UI stinksSep 26 11:25
cubexyzI can't remember having any problems with straight DR-DOSSep 26 11:25
msb_Unix/Linux man pages need a lot more examples.Sep 26 11:25
gde33|2its gawd awefulSep 26 11:26
gde33|2calling it man is a mistake beyond excusesSep 26 11:26
gde33|2the word man was already usedSep 26 11:27
MinceR:)Sep 26 11:27
MinceRit saves you from typing 3 more letters thoughSep 26 11:27
cubexyzunix commands were crypticSep 26 11:27
cubexyzfor faster typingSep 26 11:27
MinceRpeople shouldn't be so afraid to learnSep 26 11:27
gde33|2adding a learning curve to finding the instruction manual???!?!?Sep 26 11:27
MinceR"The only intuitive interface is the nipple. After that, it's all learned."Sep 26 11:28
gde33|2you have very limited ability to learn, this should not be wasted on bullshitSep 26 11:28
cubexyzman is really just a script that calls nroffSep 26 11:28
gde33|2a term like nroff also doesn't explain what it doesSep 26 11:28
MinceRgde33|2: put a pointer in the motd, then :)Sep 26 11:28
gde33|2hipster bullshitSep 26 11:28
cubexyznroff is new roffSep 26 11:29
MinceRnroff means "new roff"Sep 26 11:29
cubexyzright :)Sep 26 11:29
gde33|2yes asdf fds wasfh weehghha 911 911Sep 26 11:29
MinceRroff was named after runoffSep 26 11:29
gde33|2roflSep 26 11:29
MinceR(which was a multics program)Sep 26 11:29
gde33|2what kind of tics?Sep 26 11:29
gde33|2things get progressively worse by using existing words to mean new thingsSep 26 11:30
gde33|2like object and function etc etc etcSep 26 11:30
gde33|2soon you wont be able to say anything without sounding confused about the latest hipsterismSep 26 11:30
gde33|2hipsteriaSep 26 11:30
MinceRgde33|2: Multiplexed Information and Computing ServiceSep 26 11:30
MinceRmost of the time new things are named using existing wordsSep 26 11:31
gde33|2hyped-up text marketing languageSep 26 11:31
MinceRand if they weren't, you'd be even more confusedSep 26 11:31
MinceRhypercomplicated text mashing languageSep 26 11:31
gde33|2then get adverbs made out of adverbsSep 26 11:31
gde33|2we should take an unwashed noob, you give him something like vim then wait until he writes his first programSep 26 11:32
cubexyzwhat came before vi and nroff was even harder to understandSep 26 11:32
gde33|2it is all so terribleSep 26 11:33
msb_Finding a Unix command to perform a particular function, and getting examples for commands, can now be done by means of Google search.Sep 26 11:33
gde33|2like computers are some alien planetSep 26 11:33
gde33|2msb_: oh that use to be trueSep 26 11:33
cubexyzin the PDP-7 era there were all sorts of severe limitationsSep 26 11:34
MinceRyou could also try aproposSep 26 11:34
msb_That makes it not alien and terrible.Sep 26 11:34
gde33|2nowadays google will return some multinational homepage regardless of querySep 26 11:34
cubexyzsome of that carried over to PDP-11 Unix and to today's Linux/BSDSep 26 11:34
msb_apropos doesn't always find what you want.  It's based on info in the man pages.Sep 26 11:35
gde33|2I have no words for how bad things are, the spec is the tutorial nowadaysSep 26 11:35
cubexyzbad compared to what?Sep 26 11:35
cubexyzcomputers are easier to use now than ever beforeSep 26 11:35
gde33|2what it should be, the user should feel empowred not stupidSep 26 11:36
XFaCEyo msb_ Sep 26 11:36
XFaCEI know youave have a lot of opinions on a lot of issuesSep 26 11:36
XFaCEbut I just have to knowSep 26 11:36
XFaCEmsb_: What happened to Andy Kaufman after 1984?Sep 26 11:36
gde33|2cubexyz: imagine calling a plumber but having to read a manual before you can interface with him about the issueSep 26 11:37
gde33|2lolSep 26 11:37
cubexyzKaufman diedSep 26 11:37
cubexyzcancer I thinkSep 26 11:37
msb_gde33|2: My experience is very different from yours.  Man pages + google + howtos + IRC,if necessary, provide very good information.Sep 26 11:37
gde33|2msb_: you shouldn't need any of thatSep 26 11:37
cubexyzLung CancerSep 26 11:38
msb_gde33|2: Don't should on yourself.Sep 26 11:38
gde33|2msb_: we are in the day and age of watson type of computersSep 26 11:38
cubexyzeverything has to be learnedSep 26 11:38
cubexyzno one is born with skillsSep 26 11:38
gde33|2oh but we areSep 26 11:38
msb_XFaCE: I know nothing of Kaufman.Sep 26 11:39
gde33|2we can take in massive amounts of spatial data with our eyesSep 26 11:39
cubexyzif I was to write an operating system I'd probably gravitate to something like UnixSep 26 11:39
gde33|2all human languages use the same words strongly suggesting their meaning is hardwiredSep 26 11:40
MinceRhuh?Sep 26 11:40
msb_The resources I listed work together very well, and I forgot wikipedia.Sep 26 11:40
cubexyzMinceR, does Hungarian look anything like English? :)Sep 26 11:40
MinceRgde33|2: you do realize there are languages outside the indo-european family, right?Sep 26 11:40
MinceRcubexyz: noSep 26 11:40
cubexyzplus there's APL :)Sep 26 11:41
gde33|2MinceR: of course, they all talk about the same things using almost the same termsSep 26 11:41
MinceRhungarian is a uralic language, english is an indo-european languageSep 26 11:41
cubexyzI'm sure you'd love my old APL programSep 26 11:42
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/old-apl.txtSep 26 11:42
gde33|2you even have religions trying to map their father, mother, brother, sister onto teh brains :PSep 26 11:43
MinceRwow, it fits in 7bit asciiSep 26 11:43
cubexyzyes... APL for PDP-11 UnixSep 26 11:43
cubexyzold styleSep 26 11:43
cubexyzso no, we don't have star trek style computers you can talk toSep 26 11:44
MinceRwell, we do have computers you can talk toSep 26 11:46
MinceRbut they just relay your words to the nsaSep 26 11:46
cubexyzhahaSep 26 11:46
MinceRand your computer gets told what to doSep 26 11:46
cubexyzdon't get me wrong, computers do have short comingsSep 26 11:47
cubexyzno doubt about thatSep 26 11:47
XFaCEEspiranto timeSep 26 11:49
MinceRaspirantoSep 26 11:50
cubexyzit would be nice if you could say "Computer open word processor"Sep 26 11:50
cubexyzor "Computer close firefox"Sep 26 11:50
XFaCEumSep 26 11:51
MinceRhttps://youtu.be/yJD1Iwy5lUY?t=31sSep 26 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | If Google Was A Guy (Part 3) - YouTubeSep 26 11:51
MinceRhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y_Jp6PxsSQSep 26 11:51
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cubexyzis this another BSOD video?Sep 26 11:52
MinceRnoSep 26 11:52
cubexyzhahahaSep 26 11:52
MinceRsomewhat related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oBJXdegv7sSep 26 11:54
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msb_XFaCE: Sorry, I didn't mean to be rude to you.  But I don't know anything about Andy Kaufman.Sep 26 11:55
XFaCEit's okSep 26 11:55
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cubexyzMinceR was rightSep 26 12:10
cubexyzthe voice recognition software was so crap using the keyboard is a million times betterSep 26 12:10
MinceR:)Sep 26 12:13
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Links 25/9/2015: GNU/Linux in IndianSep 26 12:43
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DaemonFCJ. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:Sep 26 13:18
DaemonFCRepublicans are so pro-life that they elected George W. Bush, which killed about a million and a half people whose only crime was being in the way of our bombs and bullets.Sep 26 13:18
DaemonFCIn any universe where justice was served, Dick and Bush would have been sent to the gallows already.Sep 26 13:18
DaemonFCSome people have called for President Obama to pardon them, which would imply that a crime had been committed, but I don't want to see him pardon them as long as there is any chance of them being arrested and tried for war crimes, anywhere.Sep 26 13:18
DaemonFCOur former policy was that we never stop pursuing war criminals. There's even still a Nazi prison camp guard here and there in their 90s that we're trying to get. We KNOW where Bush and Dick are!Sep 26 13:18
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     openSUSE Leap 42.1 Beta Based on Linux KernelSep 26 14:12
TweetTuxMachines                 4.1 LTS http://t.co/6Fvzl7oZCCSep 26 14:12
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Gaming Leftovers http://t.co/y9tbCuD91MSep 26 14:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Gaming Leftovers | Tux MachinesSep 26 14:12
cubexyzanother sham ad... "you need to fix windows errors now"Sep 26 14:47
cubexyzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/sham-windows-ad-2015.pngSep 26 14:50
XRevan86cubexyz: Old as world.Sep 26 14:51
XRevan86cubexyz: You're still using Google.Sep 26 14:52
cubexyzforce of habitSep 26 14:52
cubexyzthey could at least look at the user agent before they spam me with windows adsSep 26 14:54
XRevan86cubexyz: https://addons.mozilla.org/eo/firefox/addon/startpage-privacy-search-enginSep 26 14:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-addons.mozilla.org | Startpage Privacy Search Engine :: Add-ons for Firefox [ http://ur1.ca/nv3gk ]Sep 26 14:56
cubexyzyes, I have that :)Sep 26 14:57
XRevan86cubexyz: And yet…Sep 26 14:57
cubexyzok, startpage is at the top nowSep 26 15:00
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     ClearOS 7.1 to Offer a Replacement forSep 26 15:21
TweetTuxMachines                 Microsoft Active Directory, IPv6 and BtrfsSep 26 15:21
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNOME Leftovers http://t.co/poV234COSmSep 26 15:21
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux creator explains why a truly secureSep 26 15:41
TweetTuxMachines                 computing platform will never existSep 26 15:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com | Linus Torvalds Quotes: Interview — secure computing is a dream | BGRSep 26 15:41
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Parsix GNU/Linux 8.5 (Atticus) Announced, ItSep 26 15:41
TweetTuxMachines                 Will be Based on GNOME 3.18Sep 26 15:41
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XRevan86New Doctor Who episode. Finally.Sep 26 16:12
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msb_I was renting a cheap server and put some files on it.  The idiots who run it deleted my files without warning.  They've done it before.  It's always "by accident, very sorry".  I really needed to find out which files were on it, which I had not kept track of.  But I looked in /tmp, sorted it by date, and found files recorded by konsole.  I was looking for a directory listing.  They were mostly binary non-printing chararacters, but I Sep 26 23:11
msb_was able to write a C program to extract the printable ones.  I found a listing for that server, inserted newlines with my "replace" program, and got a decent listing.  After some editing, rtrim, etc. it's good!Sep 26 23:11
MinceRthe strings command extracts strings of printable characters from a streamSep 26 23:13
MinceR(and separates them by line breaks)Sep 26 23:14
msb_The 12 line C program had about 5 errors to start with, but they were easy to fix.Sep 26 23:14
msb_Every printable character was separated from the next one by about 14 non-printables.  Strings wouldn't have worked.Sep 26 23:15
MinceRseems it does exactly what you were looking forSep 26 23:16
MinceR(as long as each string of printables is long enough)Sep 26 23:16
msb_Each string of printables is only one character long.Sep 26 23:17
MinceRoh.Sep 26 23:17
MinceRyeah, it won't work for that :)Sep 26 23:17
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msb_I could have counted characters -- it's a fixed pattern -- but then there would have been the problem of syncronizing.  So I just did   if (ch >= ' ' && ch < 127)Sep 26 23:26
MinceRstrings -n 1 would have done the same, but i'm not sure if the output would have been usefulSep 26 23:30
msb_It works, sort of, but puts a newline after every character.Sep 26 23:32
msb_Removing all the newlines, and then putting them in at the beginning of a listing line (which I did for my program) works, but there are a lot of extra spaces in the text.Sep 26 23:36
msb_It's almost as good.  But I love writing little utility programs and scripts!Sep 26 23:37
msb_Everyone should know how to program.  So they feel that they are in control of the computer, not vice versa.  Of course that only works for FOSS.Sep 26 23:39
msb_Otherwise you're Microshit's or CApple's bitch.Sep 26 23:40
msb_CrAppleSep 26 23:40
msb_That's one of the reasons why I love this article:  http://fossforce.com/2015/09/in-the-seed-of-a-raspberry-is-the-future-of-linux/Sep 26 23:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com | In the Seed of a Raspberry Is the Future of Linux | FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/nv5mb ]Sep 26 23:45
msb_Bash, C, Ruby and Python are all good.Sep 26 23:50

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