IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: September 27th, 2015-October 3rd, 2015

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msb_	I was renting a cheap server and put some files on it. The idiots who run it deleted my files without warning. They've done it before. It's always "by accident, very sorry". I really needed to find out which files were on it, which I had not kept track of. But I looked in /tmp, sorted it by date, and found files recorded by konsole. I was looking for a directory listing. They were mostly binary non-printing chararacters, but I	Sep 27 04:11
msb_	was able to write a C program to extract the printable ones. I found a listing for that server, inserted newlines with my "replace" program, and got a decent listing. After some editing, rtrim, etc. it's good!	Sep 27 04:11
MinceR	the strings command extracts strings of printable characters from a stream	Sep 27 04:13
MinceR	(and separates them by line breaks)	Sep 27 04:14
msb_	The 12 line C program had about 5 errors to start with, but they were easy to fix.	Sep 27 04:14
msb_	Every printable character was separated from the next one by about 14 non-printables. Strings wouldn't have worked.	Sep 27 04:15
MinceR	seems it does exactly what you were looking for	Sep 27 04:16
MinceR	(as long as each string of printables is long enough)	Sep 27 04:16
msb_	Each string of printables is only one character long.	Sep 27 04:17
MinceR	oh.	Sep 27 04:17
MinceR	yeah, it won't work for that :)	Sep 27 04:17
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msb_	I could have counted characters -- it's a fixed pattern -- but then there would have been the problem of syncronizing. So I just did if (ch >= ' ' && ch < 127)	Sep 27 04:26
MinceR	strings -n 1 would have done the same, but i'm not sure if the output would have been useful	Sep 27 04:30
msb_	It works, sort of, but puts a newline after every character.	Sep 27 04:32
msb_	Removing all the newlines, and then putting them in at the beginning of a listing line (which I did for my program) works, but there are a lot of extra spaces in the text.	Sep 27 04:36
msb_	It's almost as good. But I love writing little utility programs and scripts!	Sep 27 04:37
msb_	Everyone should know how to program. So they feel that they are in control of the computer, not vice versa. Of course that only works for FOSS.	Sep 27 04:39
msb_	Otherwise you're Microshit's or CApple's bitch.	Sep 27 04:40
msb_	CrApple	Sep 27 04:40
msb_	That's one of the reasons why I love this article: http://fossforce.com/2015/09/in-the-seed-of-a-raspberry-is-the-future-of-linux/	Sep 27 04:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com \| In the Seed of a Raspberry Is the Future of Linux \| FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/nv5mb ]		Sep 27 04:45
msb_	Bash, C, Ruby and Python are all good.	Sep 27 04:50
gde33\|2	http://urbit.org/preview/~2015.9.25/materials/whitepaper	Sep 27 05:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-urbit.org \| Tree [ http://ur1.ca/nv5rn ]		Sep 27 05:20
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msb_	Seems weird and complicated. I don't know anybody who keeps their data in a cloud. Good big disks are cheap, and Bash, C, Ruby and Python are all great programming languages with plenty of documentation. And they and Linux all run on a $50 SBC.	Sep 27 05:45
gde33\|2	msb_: it is explained well enough I think?	Sep 27 05:46
gde33\|2	his shop example is great	Sep 27 05:47
gde33\|2	if you control the application the developer doesn't get to charge a fee on every transaction	Sep 27 05:47
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gde33\|2	For example: with other people's apps, when you want to shop on the Internets, you point your browser at amazon.com or use the Google bar as a full-text store. With your own apps, you're more likely to point your browser at your own shopping assistant. This program, which works entirely for you and is not slipping anyone else a cut, uses APIs to sync inventory data and send purchase orders.	Sep 27 05:49
gde33\|2	The difference between apps you control and apps you don't is the difference between a shopping assistant and a store. It would be absurd if a shopping assistant paid its developer a percentage of all transactions. It would be absurd if a store didn't. The general task is the same, but every detail is different.	Sep 27 05:50
gde33\|2	msb_: all these walled gardens are the end of the internet	Sep 27 05:50
gde33\|2	you just become everyones slut/slave	Sep 27 05:51
msb_	What walled gardens?	Sep 27 05:51
gde33\|2	all of the popular web services	Sep 27 05:51
gde33\|2	nothing is yours on facebook	Sep 27 05:52
gde33\|2	nothing is yours on google	Sep 27 05:52
gde33\|2	even when a business really wants to preserve your privacy they can get a gag order and be forced to share your data with hidden people	Sep 27 05:52
msb_	so what. as long as google search works i;ll use it. Otherwise I'll switch to another.	Sep 27 05:52
gde33\|2	there is no other	Sep 27 05:53
msb_	Privacy from govts on the Net is impossible	Sep 27 05:53
msb_	duck duck go, ixquick	Sep 27 05:53
gde33\|2	you have to draw the line from the beginning into the future	Sep 27 05:53
gde33\|2	those are walled gardens too	Sep 27 05:53
gde33\|2	you cant see the walled garden?	Sep 27 05:54
msb_	a web search engine requires hundreds of computers. It's not going to be in urbit, whatever that is.	Sep 27 05:54
gde33\|2	thats not the point at all	Sep 27 05:54
gde33\|2	you could just read the page if you want to know what the point is	Sep 27 05:55
gde33\|2	but ok...	Sep 27 05:55
gde33\|2	if you use a web app the developer is in control	Sep 27 05:55
gde33\|2	he just owns you	Sep 27 05:55
gde33\|2	you cant migrate, your service can be terminated, your life can be shared with anyone	Sep 27 05:55
msb_	I don't use web apps except google.	Sep 27 05:55
gde33\|2	but most people do	Sep 27 05:56
msb_	Then they should use FOSS apps on their own computer.	Sep 27 05:56
gde33\|2	everyone is developing internet prisons, I assume this is why you dont want any part of it?	Sep 27 05:56
gde33\|2	certainly but applications on your computer can only do so much	Sep 27 05:57
msb_	I don't know what you mean. Run apps on your own cheap computer and cheap disk. simple	Sep 27 05:57
gde33\|2	you probably have your own server too?	Sep 27 05:58
msb_	I have a website on a server.	Sep 27 05:58
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gde33\|2	do you control the server?	Sep 27 05:59
msb_	No, but the guy who does is a good friend.	Sep 27 05:59
msb_	But if the site got taken down I'd just put it up somewhere else.	Sep 27 06:00
gde33\|2	say we create a model where we chose what other people should be able to access and what should not be accessed by others	Sep 27 06:01
gde33\|2	if we compare the internet to the ideal model it just doesn't work like that	Sep 27 06:01
gde33\|2	it leaks your shit all over	Sep 27 06:01
gde33\|2	you and me might be sophisticted enough to deal with the issue	Sep 27 06:01
msb_	I want my shit to be leaked. I'm _broadcasting_ it!	Sep 27 06:02
gde33\|2	we should also want to end it for others	Sep 27 06:02
gde33\|2	most people dont get what can be done with private data	Sep 27 06:02
gde33\|2	the paterns are well beyond imagination	Sep 27 06:02
msb_	If they want private data, keep it on their home disk, with a backup.	Sep 27 06:02
gde33\|2	if you have seemingly meaningless data about millions of people you can find paterns no one can imagine	Sep 27 06:03
gde33\|2	but the thing we can all see is that mass explotation and monopolization isn't good for anyone	Sep 27 06:03
msb_	I don't want data about millions of people, and have no way to get it anyhow.	Sep 27 06:03
gde33\|2	we want everyone to use free and opensource software	Sep 27 06:04
gde33\|2	everything else should just die	Sep 27 06:04
msb_	So we should broadcast information to as many people as possible telling them about the govts and corps that are exploiting and monopolizing them.	Sep 27 06:05
gde33\|2	that could work	Sep 27 06:05
gde33\|2	but programmers should try to fix things by coding, they can get into politics but will quickly find it a full time job	Sep 27 06:06
gde33\|2	they stop being a programer	Sep 27 06:06
gde33\|2	" Since we're doing a clean-slate design, it's a mistake to focus too much on fixing the flaws of the old platform. The correct question is: what is the right way to build a system software stack?"	Sep 27 06:07
msb_	Your own computer with FOSS and storage and good languages, an internet connection, and a website. You can also publish on mailing lists. This all works fine.	Sep 27 06:08
msb_	Devuan is coming along, so people can stay with a Linux that has lots of up to date apps.	Sep 27 06:10
gde33\|2	centralized systems are points of failure	Sep 27 06:11
msb_	ISP and website cost about $30/month	Sep 27 06:11
gde33\|2	your mailinglist is just deleted	Sep 27 06:11
msb_	there are plenty more, and you can start your own	Sep 27 06:11
msb_	For some reason, the fascists are not killing lists, youtube, websites, isps, etc.	Sep 27 06:12
gde33\|2	the core idea in urbit is to have n:1 rather than 1:n	Sep 27 06:13
msb_	Or cheap personal computers. So while we have these things, lets use them to educate the world.	Sep 27 06:13
msb_	web apps are unnecessary	Sep 27 06:13
gde33\|2	what is the reason the facists have not killed those platforms?	Sep 27 06:13
msb_	I wish I knew.	Sep 27 06:14
gde33\|2	google buys things just to shut them down	Sep 27 06:14
gde33\|2	they had google video then purchased youtube	Sep 27 06:14
gde33\|2	they killed google video and destroyed youtube	Sep 27 06:15
gde33\|2	web hosting uses the same model	Sep 27 06:15
msb_	Youtube is fine, and if necessary you can put videos on your own website.	Sep 27 06:15
gde33\|2	the idea is to allow people to create content because you cant stop them	Sep 27 06:15
gde33\|2	but what you can do is just delete everything after a few years	Sep 27 06:15
gde33\|2	lure people in with a cosy environment	Sep 27 06:15
msb_	Whatever urbit runs on the govt could stop it.	Sep 27 06:16
gde33\|2	then strip out all the human interaction	Sep 27 06:16
gde33\|2	youtube is nonsense compared to what it was	Sep 27 06:16
msb_	I save all the youtube videos i'm interested in.	Sep 27 06:16
gde33\|2	it use to have thousands of people making vlogs about things, responding to other peoples videos with video responses	Sep 27 06:16
gde33\|2	it was a community, they purchased a comunity	Sep 27 06:16
gde33\|2	this is all dead now	Sep 27 06:16
msb_	So if people want to respond, they put up their own video.	Sep 27 06:17
gde33\|2	not one of my hundreds of subscriptions is working today	Sep 27 06:17
gde33\|2	people who use to talk about all things in life had millions of viewers	Sep 27 06:18
gde33\|2	if you upload a video today it gets 100 views	Sep 27 06:18
gde33\|2	or non at all, I know people trying to make a channel	Sep 27 06:18
msb_	Stuff on the Net is not permanent. If you want to keep it, download it to your own disk.	Sep 27 06:18
gde33\|2	some have 0 views on all their videos	Sep 27 06:18
gde33\|2	youtube no longer promotes them you see?	Sep 27 06:19
gde33\|2	you are making excuses in stead of understanding the agenda	Sep 27 06:19
msb_	They can promote themselves.	Sep 27 06:19
gde33\|2	non of your excuses change the agenda	Sep 27 06:19
gde33\|2	those few TB of geocities, the origin of the internet	Sep 27 06:19
gde33\|2	why did they unplug the disks?	Sep 27 06:20
gde33\|2	they had advertisement on all pages	Sep 27 06:20
gde33\|2	light pages with just a bit of text and small images	Sep 27 06:20
gde33\|2	they lost serious money doing that	Sep 27 06:20
gde33\|2	the reason is simple, it was to get rid of people talking abuot stuff	Sep 27 06:20
gde33\|2	you are not suppose to talk with other people about things	Sep 27 06:20
gde33\|2	it is not part of the grand design	Sep 27 06:21
gde33\|2	you should be focsed on the latest news and ignore what happened more than 2 weeks ago	Sep 27 06:21
gde33\|2	look at twitter, look at facebook	Sep 27 06:21
gde33\|2	it is how it is designed, to hide information more than 10 posts old	Sep 27 06:21
msb_	Corps and govts are run by psychopaths, and they are always going to try suppress people and their communications. It requires work to broadcast in spite of them. So we have to work.	Sep 27 06:21
gde33\|2	certainly, but you have to understand the game first ;)	Sep 27 06:22
msb_	I never use twitter or fuckbook.	Sep 27 06:22
msb_	I do.	Sep 27 06:22
gde33\|2	why is that?	Sep 27 06:22
gde33\|2	what is your main reason not to?	Sep 27 06:22
msb_	They;re crap,	Sep 27 06:22
gde33\|2	in what way?	Sep 27 06:22
msb_	Full of nonsense from typical programmed people.	Sep 27 06:23
gde33\|2	fair enough	Sep 27 06:23
msb_	Whereas there are about a dozen great alternate news websites.	Sep 27 06:24
gde33\|2	oh thousands	Sep 27 06:24
gde33\|2	a dieing breed tho	Sep 27 06:24
msb_	And subject oriented ones like http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/ and Mercola.	Sep 27 06:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geoengineeringwatch.org \| Geoengineering Watch \| Exposing the climate engineering/geoengineering cover-up		Sep 27 06:25
gde33\|2	I use my own http://opml.go-here.nl/internet.html	Sep 27 06:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opml.go-here.nl \| internet		Sep 27 06:27
gde33\|2	the required gm script http://opml.go-here.nl/the-internet.user.js has lists like...	Sep 27 06:27
gde33\|2	http://opml.go-here.nl/feeds-cleaning-1.txt	Sep 27 06:27
msb_	You're sounding paranoid. Nobody promised you a rose garden. Life is tough. It requires work. But things are looking up -- Corbyn Sanders, Syriza, Pope Francis, even Putin is doing some good.	Sep 27 06:27
gde33\|2	heh I often get that, people think I'm complaining a lot.	Sep 27 06:28
msb_	We are living on the cusp of human survival. We are the heroes we've been waiting for.	Sep 27 06:28
gde33\|2	but I'm very different from those people	Sep 27 06:28
gde33\|2	I think a lot about how we could make things	Sep 27 06:28
gde33\|2	what we have is so far from what it could be	Sep 27 06:29
gde33\|2	it sounds like complaining but I'm seeing a wonderful picture	Sep 27 06:29
gde33\|2	sure, a ton of good stuf is happening	Sep 27 06:29
gde33\|2	its never enough :D	Sep 27 06:29
msb_	So do more!	Sep 27 06:30
msb_	Organize!	Sep 27 06:30
gde33\|2	will try, thanks :)	Sep 27 06:30
gde33\|2	I have to redo the ui for this web aggregator	Sep 27 06:30
gde33\|2	it is almighty powerful	Sep 27 06:30
gde33\|2	it has a huge list of badwords and many many thousands of feeds preconfigured	Sep 27 06:31
msb_	But you bring up good points. It's important to stay away from clouds and web-apps.	Sep 27 06:31
gde33\|2	clouds can be ok as long as they fit the traditional p2p values	Sep 27 06:32
gde33\|2	look what powerful monster bittorrent has turned into	Sep 27 06:32
msb_	yep	Sep 27 06:33
gde33\|2	the TB torrents are comming	Sep 27 06:33
gde33\|2	and because those dont finish in mere minutes more people will be seeding while downloading	Sep 27 06:33
gde33\|2	I just asked a question in ##electronics then it turned out the whole thing existed already in a very mature state. hilarious	Sep 27 06:35
gde33\|2	LI-FI	Sep 27 06:35
gde33\|2	http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/semiconductors/optoelectronics/fiber-to-the-living-room	Sep 27 06:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-spectrum.ieee.org \| Li-Fi-like System Would Bring 100-Gbps Speeds Straight to Your Computer - IEEE Spectrum [ http://ur1.ca/nv62h ]		Sep 27 06:35
gde33\|2	data rates of 3 terabits per second	Sep 27 06:35
gde33\|2	my idea was to have a garden light that alterates between full brightness and slightly below (not visible)	Sep 27 06:36
gde33\|2	then you point a phone or a webcam at it and decode the data	Sep 27 06:36
gde33\|2	like a mesh network without cables :)	Sep 27 06:37
gde33\|2	and no radio	Sep 27 06:37
gde33\|2	and nocturnal for extra character :D	Sep 27 06:37
msb_	Phone and webcam are millions of times too slow.	Sep 27 06:38
gde33\|2	not at all, morse code is just fine	Sep 27 06:39
msb_	TB torrents are unnecessary and would clog up the Net so bad that corps and govt would attack BT.	Sep 27 06:39
gde33\|2	no one is going to stop it	Sep 27 06:39
gde33\|2	phones come with pretty decent cameras	Sep 27 06:40
gde33\|2	you could have a little screen and record data from that	Sep 27 06:41
gde33\|2	could do some fun tricks with lossy data	Sep 27 06:42
gde33\|2	could play a hd video at 4X speed divided over tiles with the audio encoded in a kind of qr code	Sep 27 06:44
gde33\|2	then it doesn't matter if you dont pick up the full resolution	Sep 27 06:45
gde33\|2	3 seconds X 4 X 9 tiles is 108 seconds of video	Sep 27 06:46
gde33\|2	just enough to walk to the next pick up point lol	Sep 27 06:47
gde33\|2	msb_: watching this btw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBck494b4Pg fun stuff	Sep 27 06:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| The Invisible Realm - Trevor James Constable \| Granada Forum (2008?) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nv64r ]		Sep 27 06:49
msb_	Photograped what looks like huge amoebas in the sky with IR film.	Sep 27 06:51
msb_	I have a book of his, somewhere.	Sep 27 06:52
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msb_	3 good anime's coming on Cartoon Network in 3 minutes	Sep 27 08:26
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cubexyz	you know what Bell Labs experts said to Unix newbies?	Sep 27 09:08
cubexyz	"Go fsck yourself"	Sep 27 09:08
cubexyz	it wasn't meant as a curse	Sep 27 09:09
cubexyz	it meant "go and correct your issue" (attitude, ignorance)	Sep 27 09:09
cubexyz	roughly speaking "go fix yourself"	Sep 27 09:09
cubexyz	file system consistency check	Sep 27 09:10
msb_	Probably meant a little of both.	Sep 27 10:00
msb_	In the BOFH tradition.	Sep 27 10:04
cubexyz	sounds ficticous	Sep 27 10:11
cubexyz	fictitious even	Sep 27 10:11
cubexyz	I remember one programmer telling me never to leave my terminal in vi	Sep 27 10:32
cubexyz	he thought some co-worker could add spurious characters to a file	Sep 27 10:33
cubexyz	not a trusting sort	Sep 27 10:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Gaming Leftovers http://t.co/deISwPgN0t	Sep 27 10:47
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TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/BoC6sv2nzo (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 27 10:47
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msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastard_Operator_From_Hell	Sep 27 10:49
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cubexyz	anyone like that would have been fired	Sep 27 10:50
msb_	You must have led a sheltered life!	Sep 27 10:53
msb_	I contracted by the hour to write a printer driver. The boss asked me how long it would take. I said two weeks. He agreed. I did it and gave him a bill for two weeks. He said, "I never agreed to that". I said, "you certainly did". He said, "My eyes weren't blinking. That meant I didn't really agree."	Sep 27 10:59
cubexyz	fictitious, as in made up	Sep 27 11:03
msb_	BOFH is fiction. My story is true.	Sep 27 11:04
cubexyz	ok, I believe you	Sep 27 11:04
cubexyz	always get it in writing	Sep 27 11:04
msb_	yep	Sep 27 11:05
msb_	The BOFH stories are pretty funny. I'm sure they're easy to find.	Sep 27 11:08
cubexyz	I could tell some customer stories	Sep 27 11:08
msb_	Tell on...	Sep 27 11:09
cubexyz	a rogers tech once yanked a card out of a computer than was running	Sep 27 11:09
cubexyz	some of the chips exploded	Sep 27 11:10
cubexyz	didn't know the difference between IDE and proprietary CD-ROM controllers	Sep 27 11:10
cubexyz	just horrible to deal with	Sep 27 11:10
cubexyz	I can't imagine how rogers hired him	Sep 27 11:11
cubexyz	another debacle was what happened to HP's software developer support program	Sep 27 11:14
cubexyz	they were supporting Unix, OS2, DOS and Linux	Sep 27 11:15
msb_	I mentioned yesterday how this server company deleted all my files without warning. They did it a previous time. Wanted to transfer me from one machine to another, and copied my files with a program which, if it found one error, deleted all the files. They _knew_ this!	Sep 27 11:15
cubexyz	so after 2001 I had to get into reverse-engineering scanner protocols	Sep 27 11:16
msb_	If a thing you buy from HP is out of warranty, they won	Sep 27 11:17
cubexyz	they eliminating their whole software support division	Sep 27 11:17
cubexyz	they eliminated rather	Sep 27 11:17
msb_	If a thing you buy from HP is out of warranty, they won't even talk to you on the phone unless you pay them $75. Maybe more now.	Sep 27 11:17
msb_	I guess they're used to dealing with the govt with infinite pockets.	Sep 27 11:18
cubexyz	oh I still use HP stuff, but it's all old stuff	Sep 27 11:19
cubexyz	I can fix the old stuff	Sep 27 11:19
cubexyz	there's quite a cottage industry for HP printer parts	Sep 27 11:19
cubexyz	I know a guy that still fixes HP minicomputers	Sep 27 11:19
cubexyz	calling HP... I don't bother	Sep 27 11:20
cubexyz	I bought an HP 4470C in 2003 or 2004	Sep 27 11:21
cubexyz	flatbed scanner	Sep 27 11:22
cubexyz	uses the RealTek RTS8891 chip	Sep 27 11:22
cubexyz	RealTek was unhelpful... there's no datasheet for it that I could find	Sep 27 11:23
msb_	Let me guess. You simulated it in FPGA?	Sep 27 11:24
cubexyz	so in 2009 I finally figured it out to the point where I could use the scanner under Linux	Sep 27 11:24
cubexyz	USB analyzer	Sep 27 11:24
msb_	It didn't come with a manual giving the protocols?	Sep 27 11:26
cubexyz	of course not	Sep 27 11:26
cubexyz	everything was a secret to lock out non-windows	Sep 27 11:26
msb_	Just a Windows program	Sep 27 11:26
cubexyz	just the binaries	Sep 27 11:26
cubexyz	yes	Sep 27 11:26
cubexyz	they used to have SCL "Scanner Control Language"	Sep 27 11:27
cubexyz	which was quite logical and easy to understand	Sep 27 11:27
msb_	"You think everything is a conspiracy" "Everything _is_!"	Sep 27 11:28
cubexyz	I didn't ask HP for a linux driver, just information on the RTS8891 chip	Sep 27 11:28
msb_	I remember seeing a nice manual for an HP printer.	Sep 27 11:28
cubexyz	I thought that was reasonable	Sep 27 11:29
cubexyz	but I won in the end	Sep 27 11:29
cubexyz	it just took way too long	Sep 27 11:29
cubexyz	the trouble with using an old scanner is the tube gets dimmer over time	Sep 27 11:30
msb_	Here's a bottle of disinfectant from CVS. It's tall, wide, and very thin from front to back. Falls over three times a day. Designed to fool people into thinking they're getting more than they are.	Sep 27 11:32
cubexyz	when I see CVS I think Concurrent Version System :)	Sep 27 11:32
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cubexyz	did you know that windows 2000 locked out HP 4470C?	Sep 27 11:33
cubexyz	no one wrote a driver for it... not even a windows 2000 one	Sep 27 11:34
cubexyz	or it might have been the HP 5200	Sep 27 11:34
cubexyz	but anyways, that's how crappy things are	Sep 27 11:34
cubexyz	of course anyone can write a scanner program for HP 5200... it's pretty easy	Sep 27 11:35
cubexyz	well, maybe not anyone but there's no great difficulty	Sep 27 11:35
cubexyz	totally planned obsolescence though	Sep 27 11:36
cubexyz	then things got botched up _again_	Sep 27 11:36
cubexyz	Linux stopped using /dev/usb/scanner0	Sep 27 11:36
msb_	My laser printer used to have a CUPS driver, but they deleted it. Now I have to use one for a similar printer. Works poorly.	Sep 27 11:37
cubexyz	now it's libusb	Sep 27 11:38
cubexyz	so libusb:XXX:YYY etc	Sep 27 11:38
cubexyz	who's they?	Sep 27 11:39
msb_	CUPS admins.	Sep 27 11:39
msb_	Now with systemd all kinds of things that used to work won't anymore.	Sep 27 11:40
cubexyz	ok, I hope this helps understand my approach of supporting old versions of software	Sep 27 11:41
msb_	Sure does!	Sep 27 11:42
cubexyz	too much abstraction and people can't remember how to do things	Sep 27 11:42
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msb_	I wonder how much Poettering got paid to ruin Linux for the entire world?	Sep 27 11:44
cubexyz	years ago I considered the possibility of Redhat turning into a sort of noveau Microsoft	Sep 27 11:45
msb_	You sure were right!	Sep 27 11:46
msb_	It's always a lot easier to do evil of you keep your preparations secret. And it almost always involve more than one person. Bingo! A Conspiracy!	Sep 27 11:49
msb_	of -> if	Sep 27 11:50
msb_	"By way of deception, thou shalt do war" -- motto of the Mossad	Sep 27 11:58
msb_	Shooters on the grassy knoll. Explosives in the WTC. Giving weapons to Mujahideen, Al-Qaeda, and ISIL.	Sep 27 11:59
msb_	Another translation of the Mossad motto: ""With clandestine terrorism we will conduct war"	Sep 27 12:18
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cubexyz	I know some people are disparaging chromebooks but I think they are decent enough	Sep 27 15:35
cubexyz	remember you get coreboot with it	Sep 27 15:35
cubexyz	good battery life	Sep 27 15:36
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DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Sep 27 16:10
DaemonFC	There's a Christian preacher that keeps coming to protest rock concerts in Fort Wayne. He brings his kids with them and he shouts into one of those hip-mounted speaker systems.	Sep 27 16:10
DaemonFC	I think I'm going to buy one and drown him out with the chicken dance or something next time. Maybe follow it up with the Macarena or stuff like that.	Sep 27 16:10
DaemonFC	Or The Sodom and Gomorrah Show by the Pet Shop Boys. I bet that'll piss them off.	Sep 27 16:12
DaemonFC	Ugggh. The move is tomorrow.	Sep 27 16:15
DaemonFC	I'm already exhausted just from tossing things out into the dumpster that I don't want to take with me.	Sep 27 16:15
DaemonFC	I threw out a power adapter for that e-bike and then my grandmother's scooter power adapter went missing, so I said "I just threw one of those out yesterday.".	Sep 27 16:16
DaemonFC	So I had to tear into the trash to find it. :/	Sep 27 16:16
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msb_	cubexyz: "<cubexyz> I know some people are disparaging chromebooks but I think they are decent enough" How does the fastest chromebook compare in pure MIPS speed with a modern cheap 8-core CPU like the AMD FX-8350 (which costs $160, but that's just for the CPU)?	Sep 27 20:33
msb_	Seems to me if you're going to spend a few hundred dollars on a computer, you might as well spend a couple hundred more and get one that's fast enough to display h265 videos, do video transcoding, and video editing. IOW, get one that's _cheap_ _nearly_ state-of-the-art.	Sep 27 20:40
msb_	That's my idea of the price/performance sweet spot.	Sep 27 20:41
msb_	As to coreboot, that's very nice, but all Linuxes have some kind of workaround for UEFI, right?	Sep 27 20:42
msb_	cubexyz: As an entry-level computer, a chromebook is a step above a SBC, hard disk and TV spread out on a table. And some people have hard limits on what they can afford...	Sep 27 20:47
cubexyz	having the source code for the firmware is very appealing	Sep 27 21:01
cubexyz	a "work-around" is hardly ideal	Sep 27 21:01
msb_	True. But it seems like the choice is between ideological purity and several times the speed.	Sep 27 21:03
msb_	What is the speed of the fastest Chromebook compared to an AMD FX-8350?	Sep 27 21:04
cubexyz	I think the fastest chromebook has a i5	Sep 27 21:05
msb_	Which i5?	Sep 27 21:06
cubexyz	google put quite a lot of work into getting coreboot working right	Sep 27 21:06
cubexyz	actually the pixel has an i7, but it's very expensive	Sep 27 21:07
cubexyz	i7-5500u dual-core seems to be the top of the line at the moment	Sep 27 21:09
msb_	But once the Linux does boot, one way or another, many people would like to do things that require high CPU speed, like displaying x265's and video editing.	Sep 27 21:09
msb_	i7-5500u is 3941 CPUMark, and FX-8350 is 8975 -- 2.27 times faster. How much does the i7-5500u Chromebook cost?	Sep 27 21:16
cubexyz	too much	Sep 27 21:16
cubexyz	about a grand	Sep 27 21:16
msb_	Yikes! for that you can get a whole FX-8350 desktop.	Sep 27 21:16
msb_	including a display	Sep 27 21:17
msb_	Don't most mobos today have a way of switching off UEFI?	Sep 27 21:18
cubexyz	it's not a matter of switching off UEFI	Sep 27 21:18
cubexyz	it's a matter of switching off secure boot	Sep 27 21:18
cubexyz	new windows PCs come with secure boot turned on by default	Sep 27 21:19
msb_	But can it be turned off?	Sep 27 21:19
cubexyz	yes	Sep 27 21:19
XRevan86	msb_: For now, yes.	Sep 27 21:19
msb_	Well, ok then	Sep 27 21:19
XRevan86	Windows 8.1 certification required possibility to disable Secure Boot.	Sep 27 21:20
cubexyz	I have to be careful when selecting a motherboard	Sep 27 21:20
cubexyz	I'd want it to work under openbsd and linux and perhaps Plan 9	Sep 27 21:21
cubexyz	I still have yet to try crouton under ChromeOS	Sep 27 21:22
cubexyz	chromebooks also have another advantage in that some models are fanless	Sep 27 21:22
XRevan86	cubexyz: ARM ones?	Sep 27 21:23
cubexyz	they also seem to heat up a lot less	Sep 27 21:23
cubexyz	some model of Celeron on this one	Sep 27 21:23
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msb_	For me, _any_ Intel CPU violates ideological purity. Intel is evil.	Sep 27 21:25
cubexyz	AMD is also pro-Microsoft	Sep 27 21:26
cubexyz	AMD doubled down on windows 10 laptops	Sep 27 21:26
cubexyz	as far as I know, there are no AMD chromebooks	Sep 27 21:26
msb_	But not as pro-MS as Intel.	Sep 27 21:27
cubexyz	Intel is just pro-Intel	Sep 27 21:27
cubexyz	did Intel abuse the market? yes	Sep 27 21:33
cubexyz	the EU found Intel guilty in an anti-trust case	Sep 27 21:34
cubexyz	Intel was fined 896 million euro	Sep 27 21:34
cubexyz	Coke made all sorts of exclusivity deals with retail outlets and restaurants	Sep 27 21:36
cubexyz	it's capitalism	Sep 27 21:36
cubexyz	Intel went too far... it actually paid vendors to delay or cancel AMD-using products	Sep 27 21:38
cubexyz	so avoiding Intel isn't invalid	Sep 27 21:38
cubexyz	if I could find an AMD FX-8350 motherboard with coreboot I'd buy it in a second	Sep 27 21:40
cubexyz	not to mention there's still that experiment with the fastest ever AGP card to try	Sep 27 21:43
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msb_	How about a mobo where you can switch secure-boot off in the BIOS?	Sep 27 21:44
cubexyz	that would be a necessity	Sep 27 21:45
cubexyz	the bare minimum actually	Sep 27 21:45
msb_	Would it be sufficient for you?	Sep 27 21:45
msb_	No mobo mfr is going to offer coreboot, because then it couldn't run winblows.	Sep 27 21:46
cubexyz	coreboot can run older windows	Sep 27 21:46
cubexyz	not sure about windows 10 though	Sep 27 21:46
cubexyz	lots of computers can't run windows	Sep 27 21:47
cubexyz	mainframes, chromebooks, lemote, amigas, etc	Sep 27 21:47
cubexyz	not being able to run windows is almost a feature :)	Sep 27 21:48
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cubexyz	but lemote was squeezed out of North America	Sep 27 21:49
cubexyz	I don't know anyone who sells them in North America	Sep 27 21:49
cubexyz	not even on ebay	Sep 27 21:50
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cubexyz	if a vendor sold pre-installed coreboot ATX motherboards I'd be right on it	Sep 27 21:51
cubexyz	CWLinux does modules with coreboot	Sep 27 21:52
cubexyz	but not ATX	Sep 27 21:52
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cubexyz	one must be aware that coreboot replaces a lot of black box code buried so deep inside EFI that there isn't even a proper name for it	Sep 27 21:58
cubexyz	do I trust closed source BIOS/EFI? no	Sep 27 21:58
cubexyz	older BIOS is probably OK	Sep 27 22:00
cubexyz	Microsoft crapped up everything with it's Windows 8 certification	Sep 27 22:00
cubexyz	and it's worse than people think	Sep 27 22:01
cubexyz	all firmware updates have to be cryptographically signed	Sep 27 22:01
cubexyz	the whole concept of rolling your own firmware becomes almost impossible	Sep 27 22:02
cubexyz	Redhat tried to mollify people about this but I have not much confidence about it	Sep 27 22:03
cubexyz	so you can run your secure boot version of Fedora but can't flash your firmware	Sep 27 22:04
cubexyz	on non-ARM systems the platform must implement the ability for a user to select between two secureboot modes	Sep 27 22:07
cubexyz	"custom" and "standard"	Sep 27 22:07
cubexyz	so it's all a bit murky	Sep 27 22:07
msb_	https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/SABERTOOTH_990FX_R20/ Can flash the BIOS from a USB stick!	Sep 27 22:07
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cubexyz	sure, you can flash with a binary supplied by the vendor	Sep 27 22:09
msb_	Says "solid capacitors" !	Sep 27 22:10
cubexyz	yes, the hardware looks good	Sep 27 22:10
msb_	Does coreboot support that mobo?	Sep 27 22:10
cubexyz	almost certainly not	Sep 27 22:10
cubexyz	there's partial support	Sep 27 22:11
cubexyz	flashrom works	Sep 27 22:11
cubexyz	probably a lot of stuff doesn't work	Sep 27 22:12
msb_	Looks like ASUS has a "legacy BIOS mode" https://www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/115035/	Sep 27 22:18
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cubexyz	haha	Sep 27 22:18
cubexyz	"always set the windows boot manager as the first priority"	Sep 27 22:19
cubexyz	pfffft	Sep 27 22:19
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msb_	It says there's a "legacy BIOS mode" !!!	Sep 27 22:38
msb_	I downloaded the manual, but can't find legacy BIOS mode or secure boot shutoff. http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM3+/SABERTOOTH_990FX/E6674_SABERTOOTH_990FX_V2_u.zip	Sep 27 22:39
msb_	Have to call them up.	Sep 27 22:39
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msb_	It sure is a great mobo. 8 sata connections	Sep 27 22:44
msb_	Just to update you on the whole Secure Boot situation. It turns out that ASUS have confirmed that indeed my motherboard (Sabertooth 990FX rev1.01) does not support Secure Boot.	Sep 27 22:44
msb_	He wrote to them.	Sep 27 22:45
msb_	But the term UEFI is all over the manual.	Sep 27 22:46
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msb_	Not sure what to make of this: http://www.manualslib.com/manual/444979/Asus-Sabertooth-990fx-Gen3-R2-0.html?page=103	Sep 27 22:51
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cubexyz	can't really tell for sure unless you try it	Sep 27 22:59
msb_	6 USB3 and 12 USB2	Sep 27 23:36
msb_	costs about $190. With all that MILSPEC stuff it would be perfect for my saucer. If I can only find some Element 115 I could get my ass off this sorry rock!	Sep 27 23:40
msb_	Fry's has it for $180, and they allow returns.	Sep 27 23:43
msb_	cubexyz: Will old Unices like Plan 9 even run on a modern CPU like the AMD FX-8350?	Sep 27 23:49
msb_	Weren't the MMU controls different back then?	Sep 27 23:52
MinceR	http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/27/larry-lessig-democratic-presidential-candidate-campaign-finance-reform	Sep 28 00:47
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MinceR	x86 MMU is almost certainly backwards compatible	Sep 28 01:00
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msb_	http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36173.htm	Sep 28 02:42
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msb_	Obama and other US leaders keep repeating "Assad must go" but never say why. That Syrian girl tells why,	Sep 28 02:43
msb_	Putin has been sending troops and weapons into Syria to fight Isil. The US has armed more than 10,000 murderous jihadis and sent them to Syria, calling them "Syrian rebels". They've all gone over to ISIL, with their weapons. The US knows this, but since it's goal is to destroy Syria because it is anti-IMF, the US has kept on doing it.	Sep 28 02:46
MinceR	and advocating for a particular fascist will end fascism.	Sep 28 02:47
MinceR	brilliant plan.	Sep 28 02:47
msb_	Putin is going to speak before the UN General Assembly and explain. Let's hope he is very explicit about what's going on.	Sep 28 02:47
MinceR	like the UN will help anything	Sep 28 02:48
MinceR	the UN is trying to bring global censorship to the internet	Sep 28 02:48
MinceR	it has also harmed our rights via things like the WIPO Copyright Treaty	Sep 28 02:49
msb_	Carelessly using the labels "fascist" and ":fascism" just causes confusion. The facts are as I stated them.	Sep 28 02:49
MinceR	carelessly helping fascists in their endeavour causes nothing but harm	Sep 28 02:49
msb_	MinceR: Do you think ISIL is OK and should not be fought, like you think Svoboda and Right-Sector are OK?	Sep 28 02:51
MinceR	wrong on both counts	Sep 28 02:51
MinceR	all three, actually	Sep 28 02:51
MinceR	but it's cute how you try to attack and smear me for offending your favorite fascist dictator.	Sep 28 02:52
msb_	It's true that the UN has done nothing to stop the murderous US aggression against Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Ukraine, and Syria. It is pretty much a tool of the US/UK/EU/Israel.	Sep 28 02:53
MinceR	the UN has done plenty of harm	Sep 28 02:54
MinceR	it's time to get rid of it.	Sep 28 02:54
msb_	Mincer is lying about me as usual. Putin is not my favorite. But he is doing good in Syria, as he did in Crimea, and in forming the Eurasian Coalition.	Sep 28 02:54
MinceR	then msb_'s second favorite, after stalin, i guess	Sep 28 02:54
MinceR	yeah, oppressing people who are not msb_ is "doing good"	Sep 28 02:55
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_state#Russia	Sep 28 02:55
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msb_	Since the UN is the only supranational body that's supposed to prevent war, it would be better to reform it than to get rid of it.	Sep 28 02:56
MinceR	i can't see how forcing evil copyright laws and censorship on the world will prevent war	Sep 28 02:56
MinceR	the UN is abusing its mandate.	Sep 28 02:56
msb_	MinceR has written vicious lies about me twice, 3 minutes ago.	Sep 28 02:58
MinceR	for an alleged anti-fascist, msb_ sure spends a lot of time advocating for fascists	Sep 28 02:58
msb_	Carelessly using the labels "fascist" and ":fascism" just causes confusion. The facts are as I stated them.	Sep 28 02:58
MinceR	apparently "careful" means "as the russian government instructs"	Sep 28 02:59
MinceR	if so, i'd rather be careless	Sep 28 02:59
MinceR	s/careless/"&"/	Sep 28 02:59
msb_	When MinceR described the Nazi coup in Ukraine he said it was just Ukraine seeking aid from EU. He omitted the role of the Svoboda and Right-Sector Nazi soldiers that were firing into the crowd.	Sep 28 03:02
msb_	When I posted the article about it in response to him, he posted articles about vaccines.	Sep 28 03:02
MinceR	that would be because svoboda and right sector were and still are a minority of that side	Sep 28 03:03
MinceR	the article was russian propaganda	Sep 28 03:03
MinceR	from a site that spews russian propaganda and other nonsense	Sep 28 03:03
msb_	The coup would not have succeeded without them.	Sep 28 03:04
MinceR	would shutting down the UN harm the USA?	Sep 28 03:04
MinceR	and how do you know that? did putin say it?	Sep 28 03:04
msb_	The world needs a properly performing UN.	Sep 28 03:05
MinceR	pity that we do not have one, then	Sep 28 03:05
msb_	yes	Sep 28 03:05
MinceR	we do have a UN that causes harm, though	Sep 28 03:05
MinceR	constantly	Sep 28 03:05
MinceR	we do not need that, do we?	Sep 28 03:05
msb_	Only slight harm so far.	Sep 28 03:06
MinceR	slight?	Sep 28 03:06
MinceR	banning reverse engineering software for compatibility is slight harm?	Sep 28 03:06
MinceR	threatening the world of shutting down the internet with global censorship is slight harm?	Sep 28 03:06
msb_	Give a link re software please.	Sep 28 03:06
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIPO_Copyright_Treaty	Sep 28 03:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| WIPO Copyright Treaty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nvbuh ]		Sep 28 03:06
MinceR	legal support for DRM is slight harm?	Sep 28 03:07
msb_	Threats -- position papers -- are not very harmful. Actions are.	Sep 28 03:07
MinceR	enabling censorship via frivolous complaints is slight harm?	Sep 28 03:07
MinceR	laws can be harmful.	Sep 28 03:07
MinceR	and they often are.	Sep 28 03:07
msb_	The wiki article does not mention the UN, nor reverse engineering software for compatibility. Please give a reference	Sep 28 03:09
MinceR	the WIPO is a part of the UN	Sep 28 03:10
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIPO	Sep 28 03:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| World Intellectual Property Organization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Sep 28 03:10
msb_	yes	Sep 28 03:10
MinceR	and they forced this "treaty" on most of the planet	Sep 28 03:10
msb_	reverse engineering software for compatibility. Please give a reference	Sep 28 03:11
MinceR	they also granted it an illusion of legitimacy	Sep 28 03:11
MinceR	for example, reverse engineering a DRM implementation to provide a compatible one	Sep 28 03:11
MinceR	"It also prohibits circumvention of technological measures for the protection of works"	Sep 28 03:11
MinceR	i think it was broader than that, but maybe that was only the DMCA	Sep 28 03:12
MinceR	which is the USA's implementation of the WCT	Sep 28 03:12
MinceR	of course, the WIPO is all about "intellectual property"	Sep 28 03:13
msb_	_That_ is fascism -- violence to protect the ultra-wealthy. Well, Linux users have been using libdvdcss to decode dvds for many years. It just has to be gotten from separate websites. When psychopath fascism rules the world, it's good for people to learn to be outlaws!	Sep 28 03:16
msb_	"intellectual property" is a scam that benefits the ultra-wealthy	Sep 28 03:17
msb_	The RT program I linked to a couple of days ago said exactly that, quoting, IIRC, a non-Russian philosopher.	Sep 28 03:18
msb_	This is what RT quoted: http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/	Sep 28 03:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thezeitgeistmovement.com \| The Zeitgeist Movement Global		Sep 28 03:24
msb_	Among other things it said that every idea is based on a pile of previous ideas, so should not belong to any one person.	Sep 28 03:25
msb_	"Human knowledge belongs to the World" "Information wants to be free"	Sep 28 03:25
MinceR	it's a pity that humans don't want to be free	Sep 28 03:26
MinceR	it would be so much easier if they did	Sep 28 03:26
msb_	MinceR: Please read this. It may improve your ability to think accurately. http://www.rational.org.nz/prof-docs/Intro-CBT.pdf	Sep 28 03:27
msb_	Most humans _do_ want to be free. They were born that way. Through child abuse and social programming they may no longer seek freedom, or they may, but not know how to get it. But these problems can be remedied.	Sep 28 03:29
MinceR	then they're acting against their own desires, consistently	Sep 28 03:30
msb_	They are conflicted because of programming.	Sep 28 03:30
msb_	Social programming and childhood trauma.	Sep 28 03:31
msb_	The organized ruling psychopaths want obedient slaves, so they inflict that programming and trauma (for example, sit-down-and-shut-up educational system).	Sep 28 03:34
MinceR	if so, it's scary effective	Sep 28 03:34
msb_	But it's possible for people to observe and examine their own minds and overcome it. Cannabis can help.	Sep 28 03:34
msb_	It certainly is.	Sep 28 03:34
msb_	But by explaining it and broadcasting the explanation, we can help save the human race.	Sep 28 03:36
MinceR	well, we can try, anyway	Sep 28 03:36
msb_	That's what I've tried to do here, but it needs rewriting. It's too much in-your-face. It also needs links. http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html	Sep 28 03:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com \| THE CAUSE AND CURE OF HUMANITY'S PROBLEMS [ http://ur1.ca/n52a6 ]		Sep 28 03:39
msb_	MinceR: Yes, we can try! That's the spirit!!!	Sep 28 03:39
msb_	We are the heroes we've been waiting for!	Sep 28 03:40
MinceR	so, where are our super powers, weapons and armor? :>	Sep 28 03:40
msb_	The Internet and Linux!	Sep 28 03:40
msb_	And ultra-cheap SBCs.	Sep 28 03:41
msb_	Goddess bless Devuan!	Sep 28 03:42
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__martin__	geekings	Sep 28 10:59
__martin__	worrying developments in southern europe	Sep 28 11:00
__martin__	mass media calling refugee camps by 'hotspots' eufemisms	Sep 28 11:00
__martin__	due to fingerprinting all the asylum seekers into db	Sep 28 11:01
__martin__	brave new world confirmed	Sep 28 11:01
__martin__	<end_rant/>	Sep 28 11:01
__martin__	* meanwhile putting a hotspot (real wifi one) on a back of a distinguished homeless city person becomes a new modern-slavery norm // wondering about reaction of a human organism	Sep 28 11:05
__martin__	TODAY'S WIN-WIN: Shell halted Alaska coast drilling plan. Greenpeace celebrates.	Sep 28 11:07
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msb_	The refugee problem is at last drawing the world's attention to the enormous death and destruction resulting from US/UK/NATO/EU attacks on Iraq Afghanistan Libya Syria -- nations that few people elsewhere evidently thought about before the flood of millions of refugees whose home nations were ruined by the US. And some US document has been revealed from years ago saying that this was the intention.	Sep 28 12:04
msb_	The US has justified all those attacks and mass murders on the basis of the 9/11 attacks. And that's why it's so important that research has shown that the WTC was blown up by explosives which only the US government could have planted there. http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911	Sep 28 12:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com \| Human Society That Works For Everyone		Sep 28 12:08
msb_	Sorry to blame all this horror mainly on one nation, but it's TRUE. (And it's the nation I happen to live in.)	Sep 28 12:11
XRevan86	msb_: http://storage8.static.itmages.com/i/15/0928/h_1443438673_6512286_a311b1624d.png	Sep 28 12:11
XRevan86	msb_: I remember you commenting Russian cursive :)	Sep 28 12:11
msb_	I don't remember. What did I say?	Sep 28 12:12
XRevan86	msb_: Or maybe it wasn't you…	Sep 28 12:13
msb_	Our sick culture makes mass-murder seem so _normal_, by calling it by a special word "war	Sep 28 12:14
msb_	Our sick culture makes mass-murder seem so _normal_, by calling it by a special word "war", that people are able to ignore it for many years, even though millions are being killed.	Sep 28 12:15
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*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012		Sep 28 12:56
msb_	Did you read what I wrote before? There's a whole disinformation operation running to discredit the real researchers. http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/disinfo.html	Sep 28 12:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com \| The No-WTC-Planes/Video-Fakery/Energy-Beams Disinformation Gang [ http://ur1.ca/gnxmb ]		Sep 28 12:57
msb_	It's been going on for years.	Sep 28 12:57
cubexyz	right, you mentioned that before	Sep 28 12:57
cubexyz	I even recall one guy talking about the Hutchison Effect	Sep 28 12:59
cubexyz	just bizarre stuff	Sep 28 12:59
msb_	People calling themselves "9/11 researchers" and putting out claims that anyone with good sense and a knowledge of physics and technology can tell are ridiculous.	Sep 28 12:59
msb_	Yes. There are simple explanations for how all of Hutchison's "effects" are faked.	Sep 28 13:00
msb_	Exactly _how_ the govt managed to fake about 40 different videos of the second tower being hit, they never get around to explaining.	Sep 28 13:01
cubexyz	the fusing of metal and wood would have been interesting to see	Sep 28 13:01
cubexyz	that would count as evidence at least	Sep 28 13:02
msb_	He made molds, some from plant root systems, and poured metal into them.	Sep 28 13:02
cubexyz	clever	Sep 28 13:04
msb_	He made wooden boxes with video cameras mounted on the inside looking in, flipped them over, released hidden magnets holding small objects to the bottom, thus making them appear to rise.	Sep 28 13:04
msb_	It was done with an entire room in the making of the movie Poltergeist, where JoBeth Williams was shown being forced up a wall and ceiling.	Sep 28 13:06
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msb_	There used to be a video of that on youtube, but it was removed. I may have a copy somewhere.	Sep 28 13:09
cubexyz	Evidently the chinese are replacing Windows with NeoKylin	Sep 28 13:20
cubexyz	Kylin was derived from Ubuntu but it didn't catch on	Sep 28 13:21
cubexyz	thus NeoKylin was made	Sep 28 13:22
cubexyz	they made it look like XP	Sep 28 13:22
msb_	Here we go. It starts about 3 minutes in. Note the strapped-down cameraman who was inside the rotating room too. http://cosmicpenguin.com/images/MakingOfPoltergeist-RotatingRoom-190-209sec.X6BC30xmCYs.flv	Sep 28 13:23
cubexyz	correction: original Kylin was based on FreeBSD	Sep 28 13:25
cubexyz	I remember they used to talk about Red Flag Linux but it's defunct now	Sep 28 13:27
msb_	What a huge amount of construction work for a scene that lasted only a couple of minutes.	Sep 28 13:27
msb_	If you google my name -- Mark Bilk -- you can probably still find web pages saying terrible things about me for disproving the "video fakery", "hologram planes", and "energy beams from space" disinformation.	Sep 28 13:33
cubexyz	I don't automatically believe everything I read on the internet	Sep 28 13:34
msb_	Critical thinking is the key!	Sep 28 13:34
cubexyz	I remember thinking... this was around 1987... that windows 2.0 was really slow	Sep 28 13:34
msb_	Did you watch the Poltergeist video? It plays on mplayer.	Sep 28 13:35
cubexyz	nah	Sep 28 13:35
msb_	I put it up for you just now!	Sep 28 13:35
cubexyz	anyways, that's when I started disliking microsoft	Sep 28 13:36
cubexyz	1987	Sep 28 13:36
cubexyz	ok, I watched the video	Sep 28 13:40
cubexyz	at least there's lots of non-microsoft now	Sep 28 13:42
cubexyz	ipad, chromebooks, android, lemote etc	Sep 28 13:43
cubexyz	the bell labs folks must have thought MSDOS was a real piece of crap	Sep 28 13:44
cubexyz	March 1975... the PDP-11/70 gets released	Sep 28 13:45
cubexyz	supports up to 4 megs of ram... of course it's too expensive for the home	Sep 28 13:46
cubexyz	DEC just couldn't make an affordable home computer	Sep 28 13:46
cubexyz	they made the DEC Rainbow 100 but it wasn't very good	Sep 28 13:47
cubexyz	the DEC Professional 380 had the J11 cpu, like the PDP-11/73	Sep 28 13:48
cubexyz	old Unix could only handle 2 megs early on	Sep 28 13:50
cubexyz	still, I'm sure that seemed like a lot back in 1975	Sep 28 13:50
cubexyz	in 1980 we had Commodore PETs with 32K :)	Sep 28 13:52
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cubexyz	I don't understand these old cereal boxes	Sep 28 15:42
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/sugar-cereal.jpg	Sep 28 15:42
MinceR	:)	Sep 28 15:43
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cubexyz	Zeidman has a microsoft history	Sep 28 17:50
cubexyz	the whole a: b: thing was from CP/M	Sep 28 17:55
cubexyz	8.3 filenames	Sep 28 17:56
cubexyz	command.com	Sep 28 17:56
cubexyz	? and * wildcards	Sep 28 17:56
cubexyz	dir, erase, ren, type	Sep 28 17:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Blackphone 2 Review: A Slick But Very Expensive	Sep 28 18:02
TweetTuxMachines	Prophylactic For Your Android Security Woes	Sep 28 18:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ReNdBJuEZd (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 28 18:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvgmw	Sep 28 18:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Blackphone 2 Review: A Slick But Very Expensive Prophylactic For Your Android Security Woes \| Tux Machines		Sep 28 18:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BlackBerry CEO struggles to demonstrate the	Sep 28 18:02
TweetTuxMachines	company's new Android slider	Sep 28 18:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/wXskz4Uyi9 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 28 18:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvgmz	Sep 28 18:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| BlackBerry CEO struggles to demonstrate the company's new Android slider \| Tux Machines		Sep 28 18:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Marshmallow UK release date & new	Sep 28 18:12
TweetTuxMachines	features: Android 6.0 Marshmallow final version	Sep 28 18:12
TweetTuxMachines	due tomorrow - when ... http://t.co/nXclEFqheM	Sep 28 18:12
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 28 18:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines “My first favourite thing about Krita is that	Sep 28 18:12
TweetTuxMachines	it’s free!” https://t.co/a9RX87doTh (krita.org)	Sep 28 18:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krita.org \| Interview with Anusha Bhanded \| Krita		Sep 28 18:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Jagged Alliance Online: Reloaded Looks Like It	Sep 28 18:12
TweetTuxMachines	Will Come To Linux https://t.co/WT4bilvlm8	Sep 28 18:12
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Sep 28 18:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Blackphone 2 Review: A Slick But Very Expensive	Sep 28 18:13
TweetTuxMachines	Prophylactic For Your Android Security Woes	Sep 28 18:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/5XPz1KObjR (www.forbes.com)	Sep 28 18:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BlackBerry CEO struggles to demonstrate the	Sep 28 18:13
TweetTuxMachines	company’s new Android slider	Sep 28 18:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/mJmRQpgx3K (www.theverge.com)	Sep 28 18:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ars #microsoft http://t.co/6FRrkgF773	Sep 28 18:13
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TweetTuxMachines	(arstechnica.com) typical from them…	Sep 28 18:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/KA8PdUXhzc (techrights.org)	Sep 28 18:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/JelMsf8GXv (techrights.org)	Sep 28 18:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Microsoft Embracing, Extending, Extinguishing the Linux-centric Arduino and Raspberry Pi, Making Them Windows Devices \| Techrights		Sep 28 18:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| OLPC Lessons Not Learned: Imposing Microsoft Windows on Young Students Using Embrace, Extend and Extinguish of Raspberry Pi \| Techrights		Sep 28 18:13
cubexyz	so what BIOS does the raspberry pi use?	Sep 28 18:15
cubexyz	ah, of course... closed source proprietary code just as I suspected	Sep 28 18:16
cubexyz	and it uses FAT	Sep 28 18:17
cubexyz	1st stage bootloader is on a small ROM	Sep 28 18:17
cubexyz	https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/	Sep 28 18:18
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cubexyz	don't be in any rush to buy a raspberry pi if you want firmware source code	Sep 28 18:19
cubexyz	yes, the cathedral again	Sep 28 18:21
cubexyz	or semi-cathedral at least	Sep 28 18:21
cubexyz	it's broadcom's doing...	Sep 28 18:29
cubexyz	raspberry pi uses something called VCOS (Video Core OS)	Sep 28 18:29
cubexyz	Video Core is proprietary, there is no official documentation or development tools	Sep 28 18:30
cubexyz	there's work being done on beaglebone to add coreboot support	Sep 28 18:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Marshmallow UK release date & new	Sep 28 18:39
TweetTuxMachines	features: Android 6.0 Marshmallow final version	Sep 28 18:39
TweetTuxMachines	due tomorrow http://t.co/BPUdWZbRdW	Sep 28 18:39
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TweetTuxMachines	(www.pcadvisor.co.uk)	Sep 28 18:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvgui	Sep 28 18:39
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cubexyz	as I said... the raspberry pi isn't that great of a choice anyways	Sep 28 18:40
cubexyz	microsoft's machinations notwithstanding	Sep 28 18:40
MinceR	at least it's well supported	Sep 28 18:41
MinceR	one can easily enable fullhd 24bit output, it's documented and it actually works	Sep 28 18:42
MinceR	also, it's not limited to one distro that the vendor sort of hacked up so it kind of works	Sep 28 18:42
MinceR	also, it doesn't need to be flashed (risking bricking) to make it run an os of the user's choice	Sep 28 18:42
cubexyz	someone has to do that, and I'd like to be able to flash stuff with firmware I compiled myself	Sep 28 18:43
cubexyz	harder? yes, definitely	Sep 28 18:43
cubexyz	why reward broadcom for their closed source firmware?	Sep 28 18:44
MinceR	if making actual replacements (not just half-assed attempts) was as popular as shitting on the rpi, we'd be swimming in good SBCs	Sep 28 18:44
MinceR	like the cubietruck, which can do fullscreen noise and crash	Sep 28 18:45
MinceR	but no actual fullhd output	Sep 28 18:45
cubexyz	I mentioned beaglebone	Sep 28 18:45
MinceR	i don't know the beablebones	Sep 28 18:45
cubexyz	it has coreboot support, at least to some degree	Sep 28 18:45
MinceR	oh, also, nobody bothers to make enclosures for most SBCs	Sep 28 18:45
MinceR	i don't know why	Sep 28 18:45
msb_	Doesn't anyone do disassembly anymore? Seems like a clever multipass disassembler could make it easy.	Sep 28 18:46
MinceR	i guess people do less disassembly now that the source code is available more often and we use more complex languages	Sep 28 18:47
cubexyz	MinceR, https://www.adafruit.com/products/1555	Sep 28 18:47
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cubexyz	coreboot is mostly C language	Sep 28 18:48
MinceR	nice	Sep 28 18:48
cubexyz	it's a framework to start from	Sep 28 18:48
cubexyz	and yes, one can disassemble binary blobs but it's a very hard way to go	Sep 28 18:49
cubexyz	I'd rather start with actual datahsheets for the chips	Sep 28 18:49
cubexyz	or...even better... here's the firmware source code for you to study	Sep 28 18:50
cubexyz	it could take years to derive source code from blobs	Sep 28 18:53
cubexyz	Samsung XE303CE Chromebook is ARM and fully supported by coreboot	Sep 28 19:06
cubexyz	Beaglebone Black coreboot support is coming, but still a work-in-progress	Sep 28 19:07
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msb_	I have been on the phone for an hour and forty minutes with ASUS to ascertain whether UEFI/secure-boot can be turned off. The hard-to-understand guy from the Philipines, consulting with a "third level technician" who assures that there is a CSM -- compatibility support module -- that turns it off. But so far, in the manual, the website, they have not been able to find any mention on it. It is mentioned on various web pages. Now I'm	Sep 29 01:53
msb_	connected with the 3rd level tech, a woman who speaks understandable English, and she's looking.	Sep 29 01:53
msb_	This is for the SABERTOOTH 990FX mobo. Of course what we really want is a Tyrannosaurus Rex mobo, but a Sabertooth is the most vicious they have.	Sep 29 01:55
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MinceR	:)	Sep 29 02:10
MinceR	do they have anything that isn't extinct? :>	Sep 29 02:10
msb_	There's the Killer Space Dragon That Ate The Earth mobo, but that costs more.	Sep 29 02:19
msb_	What they need is one whose _documentation_ isn't extinct.	Sep 29 02:21
msb_	I mentioned the T.Rex and she laughed.	Sep 29 02:22
MinceR	:)	Sep 29 02:27
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/geekbrit/status/648134373502513152	Sep 29 02:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@geekbrit: @schestowitz @fth_nix Or... Intel effed up again?		Sep 29 02:42
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/648128928125714433	Sep 29 02:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: "nor is there Adobe Flash support" → thus not adequate for risk-loving exhibitionist masochists https://t.co/XLavbewiD4		Sep 29 02:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 64-bit ARM Is Becoming Usable For Day-To-Day Linux Desktop http://t.co/tiwmFNRPfY #gnu #linux #arm #arm64		Sep 29 02:43
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Ara	Sep 29 03:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Project Ara - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nvjlb ]		Sep 29 03:41
msb_	https://www.theverge.com/2015/8/19/9179413/google-explains-project-ara-delay	Sep 29 03:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com \| Google's Project Ara phone was delayed because it broke apart when dropped \| The Verge [ http://ur1.ca/nvjle ]		Sep 29 03:41
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msb_	http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/09/28/obama-deifies-american-hegemony-paul-craig-roberts/	Sep 29 04:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.paulcraigroberts.org \| Obama Deifies American Hegemony -- Paul Craig Roberts - PaulCraigRoberts.org [ http://ur1.ca/nvjwg ]		Sep 29 04:37
msb_	I heard Obama say several times that a catastrophe like in Syria could not occur in a democracy. But PCR (above) says Assad was voted in by 80%. The US has sent more than 10,000 armed jihadi psychopaths into Syria, calling then "Syrian rebels". They've all gone over to ISIL or Al Nusrah (Al Qaeda) with their American weapons. The US decided years ago to remove ("regime-change") Assad because he wouldn't take IMF loans and eternal	Sep 29 05:12
msb_	debt slavery, and he opposes Israeli genocide of the Palestinians. Obama was totally lying!	Sep 29 05:12
msb_	It was pretty much the same thing with Libya, which Obama totally destr0yed.	Sep 29 05:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Forked-Android smartphones advance to second	Sep 29 05:25
TweetTuxMachines	generation http://t.co/WYlrYvLyaJ	Sep 29 05:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 29 05:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvk5t	Sep 29 05:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Forked-Android smartphones advance to second generation \| Tux Machines		Sep 29 05:25
msb_	http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36173.htm	Sep 29 05:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.informationclearinghouse.info \| Why The US, UK, EU & Israel Want To Destroy Syria [ http://ur1.ca/ndk0k ]		Sep 29 05:32
msb_	cubexyz: Are you there?	Sep 29 05:49
msb_	cubexyz: Proof that UEFI/secure-boot can be turned of on ASUS 990FX mobo. "CSM" means "compatibility support module". https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?37591-Sabertooth-990FX-Rev2-won-t-detect-my-HDD-or-SSD-can-t-install-an-OS!-Help! https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7416500.html	Sep 29 07:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rog.asus.com \| Sabertooth 990FX Rev2 won't detect my HDD or SSD, can't install an OS! Help! [ http://ur1.ca/nvkpu ]		Sep 29 07:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.gentoo.org \| Gentoo Forums :: View topic - UEFI on ASUS Sabertooth 990fx r2? [ http://ur1.ca/nvkpv ]		Sep 29 07:24
msb_	of -> off	Sep 29 07:25
msb_	cubexyz: also mailed you some info	Sep 29 07:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Alcatel One Touch Fire E / Firefox OS -	Sep 29 07:58
TweetTuxMachines	Retrospective http://t.co/U9h4n3ViBa	Sep 29 07:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 29 07:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvkvl	Sep 29 07:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Alcatel One Touch Fire E / Firefox OS - Retrospective \| Tux Machines		Sep 29 07:59
*TweetTuxMachines @TechCraiz favourited '"485 out of 500 systems were using Linux"...'		Sep 29 07:59
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/rosscdh/status/648375023703617537	Sep 29 08:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rosscdh: Let's hope. Trust no one. Least of all the winner of lowest tender https://t.co/s6W1GnDCMi		Sep 29 08:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Could VW scandal lead to open-source software for better automobile cybersecurity? http://t.co/SUf6b6fg4r #freesw #epa		Sep 29 08:08
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/EngBatikoy/status/648246647860916224	Sep 29 08:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@EngBatikoy: Health for all! https://t.co/lfeQul3whv		Sep 29 08:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: U.S. drug company sues Canada for trying to lower cost of $700K-a-year drug http://t.co/KCt57mIjr6 corporations vs, states/people. #isds		Sep 29 08:08
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/647805509496623104	Sep 29 08:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gnutelephony: https://t.co/8tPHiy0kQY so your documents are converted on-line for you by an untrustworthy entity; what could go wrong?! @schestowitz		Sep 29 08:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.aeyoun.com \| Document format support in the new Word apps and Word 2016 \| Aeyoun		Sep 29 08:10
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/647804829981638656 https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/647804896662679552	Sep 29 08:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz I've been reading about monopolies, and grant of patents made sense in the 19th century, not nowadays. Now, patents are		Sep 29 08:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz Granted monopolies by governments.		Sep 29 08:11
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r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/646357641917276160	Sep 29 08:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz epo does not follow the rule of law principle, see point 3 of my appeal against the unipat in Belgium.		Sep 29 08:34
r_schestowitz	EasyJet	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	d by nos puede meter #ISDS por la puerta de atrás	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:01] <TweetSchestowitz> @glynmoody https://t.co/FKN7jZecpz (www.tni.org)	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:01] <TweetSchestowitz> http://t.co/WeSoXamjmd	Sep 29 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tni.org \| La democracia en venta \| Transnational Institute		Sep 29 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Soltrumbo: Estamos parando el #TTIP pero el #CETA (Canada) nos puede meter #ISDS por la puerta de atrás https://t.co/FKN7jZecpz http://t.co/WeSoXamjmd		Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:01] <TweetSchestowitz> ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvl7n	Sep 29 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Soltrumbo: Estamos parando el #TTIP pero el #CETA (Canada) nos puede meter #ISDS por la puerta de atrás https://t.co/FKN7jZecpz http://t.co/WeSoXamjmd		Sep 29 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- (Re-tweeted by glynmoody)		Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:01] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- www.tni.org \| La democracia en venta \| Transnational Institute	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:01] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- @Soltrumbo: Estamos parando el #TTIP pero el #CETA (Canada) nos puede meter #ISDS por la puerta de atrás https://t.co/FKN7jZecpz http://t.co/WeSoXamjmd	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:01] <TweetSchestowitz> @JackofKent So: Jeremy Corbyn has raised the proposed	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:01] <TweetSchestowitz> retweeted by MoJ-Saudi contract directly with the Prime	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:01] <TweetSchestowitz> @glynmoody Minister: http://t.co/CKRPkx5c3C	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:01] <TweetSchestowitz> (www.bbc.co.uk)	Sep 29 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk \| Jeremy Corbyn raises death row Saudi's case with PM - BBC News		Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:01] <TweetSchestowitz> ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvl7o	Sep 29 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JackofKent: So: Jeremy Corbyn has raised the proposed MoJ-Saudi contract directly with the Prime Minister: http://t.co/CKRPkx5c3C		Sep 29 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- (Re-tweeted by glynmoody)		Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:01] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- www.bbc.co.uk \| Jeremy Corbyn raises death row Saudi's case with PM - BBC News	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:02] <TweetSchestowitz> @timlusher Junior doctors in despair over new contracts -	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:02] <TweetSchestowitz> retweeted by one earned more working for a phone company as	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:02] <TweetSchestowitz> @glynmoody a student: http://t.co/zVVTGvDf5q	Sep 29 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| ‘I can’t sacrifice my family for the NHS’: the junior doctors forced out of jobs they love \| Society \| The Guardian		Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:02] <TweetSchestowitz> (www.theguardian.com)	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:02] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- www.theguardian.com \| ‘I can’t sacrifice my family for the NHS’: the junior doctors forced out of jobs they love \| Society \| The Guardian	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:02] <TweetSchestowitz> ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvl7r	Sep 29 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@timlusher: Junior doctors in despair over new contracts - one earned more working for a phone company as a student: http://t.co/zVVTGvDf5q		Sep 29 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- (Re-tweeted by glynmoody)		Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:03] <r_schestowitz> https://twitter.com/georgebaily/status/648765648353525760	Sep 29 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@georgebaily: @schestowitz if you had to pick, what twitter alternative is your choice atm?		Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:03] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- @georgebaily: @schestowitz if you had to pick, what twitter alternative is your choice atm?	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:03] <r_schestowitz> Diaspora is the main network I'm on, Twitter gets copies of that	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:04] <TweetSchestowitz> @glynmoody says it all... https://t.co/IhjYWkVdap	Sep 29 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@harrydcarr: Sky Data poll: strong support for Corbyn policies - but drops by up to 10 points when people know they're Corbyn's http://t.co/uWaPjb5zBY		Sep 29 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.sky.com \| Corbyn Speech To Promise 'Kinder Politics'		Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:04] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- @harrydcarr: Sky Data poll: strong support for Corbyn policies - but drops by up to 10 points when people know they're Corbyn's http://t.co/uWaPjb5zBY	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:04] <TweetSchestowitz> (twitter.com)	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:04] <TweetSchestowitz> ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvl7z	Sep 29 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: says it all... https://t.co/IhjYWkVdap		Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:04] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- -> news.sky.com \| Corbyn Speech To Promise 'Kinder Politics'	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:04] <TweetSchestowitz> @RalfGrahn @glynmoody Thanks, also saw @jonworth referring	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:04] <TweetSchestowitz> retweeted by to critical #evoting assessment regarding	Sep 29 09:16
r_schestowitz	[09:04] <TweetSchestowitz> @glynmoody #Estonia https://t.co/yjsAUBTQsQ	Sep 29 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-estoniaevoting.org \| Independent Report on E-voting in Estonia \| A security analysis of Estonia's Internet voting system by international e-voting experts.		Sep 29 09:16
r_schestowitz	[09:04] <TweetSchestowitz> (estoniaevoting.org) #euparl #AFCO	Sep 29 09:16
r_schestowitz	[09:04] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- estoniaevoting.org \| Independent Report on E-voting in Estonia \| A security analysis of Estonia's Internet voting system by international e-voting experts.	Sep 29 09:16
r_schestowitz	[09:04] <TweetSchestowitz> ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvl80	Sep 29 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RalfGrahn: @glynmoody Thanks, also saw @jonworth referring to critical #evoting assessment regarding #Estonia https://t.co/yjsAUBTQsQ #euparl #AFCO		Sep 29 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- (Re-tweeted by glynmoody)		Sep 29 09:16
r_schestowitz	[09:04] <TweetSchestowitz> @naina_bajekal Nearly every Syrian refugee I met last week in	Sep 29 09:16
r_schestowitz	[09:04] <TweetSchestowitz> retweeted by Germany was fleeing Assad, not ISIS.	Sep 29 09:16
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r_schestowitz	> Dear Roy,	Sep 29 09:38
r_schestowitz	>	Sep 29 09:38
r_schestowitz	>	Sep 29 09:38
r_schestowitz	>	Sep 29 09:38
r_schestowitz	> I just read your above-mentioned blog post. Specifically with regard to transparency and democracy in the UPC context, do you know my papers “Law-making in camera” (accessible here) and “The sub-sub-suboptimal compromise of the EU Parliament” (accessible here) from 2013? Having a look might be worthwhile.	Sep 29 09:38
r_schestowitz	>	Sep 29 09:38
r_schestowitz	>	Sep 29 09:38
r_schestowitz	>	Sep 29 09:38
r_schestowitz	> Best wishes	Sep 29 09:39
r_schestowitz	>	Sep 29 09:39
r_schestowitz	> Ingve	Sep 29 09:39
r_schestowitz	>	Sep 29 09:39
r_schestowitz	>	Sep 29 09:39
r_schestowitz	Thanks, I shall have a look in the coming back as I've just returned home after 2 weeks.	Sep 29 09:39
r_schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6637581	Sep 29 09:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: The super cheap $9 Linux based Chip PC starts shipping from today http://www.techworm.net/2015/09/worlds-first-9-linux-based-computer-is-shipping-now.html		Sep 29 09:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techworm.net \| World's first $9 Linux based computer is shipping now [ http://ur1.ca/nvlf6 ]		Sep 29 09:41
r_schestowitz	"It’s open hardware. Cool!"	Sep 29 09:41
r_schestowitz	Will hopefully catch on	Sep 29 09:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Forked-Android smartphones advance to second	Sep 29 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	generation http://t.co/NSBoBlMVwE	Sep 29 10:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Forked-Android smartphones advance to second generation · LinuxGizmos.com		Sep 29 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Sep 29 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvlko	Sep 29 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Alcatel One Touch Fire E / Firefox OS -	Sep 29 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	Retrospective http://t.co/NuZmxbjPpC	Sep 29 10:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dummdida.tumblr.com \| dummdida — Alcatel One Touch Fire E / Firefox OS - Retrospective		Sep 29 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	(dummdida.tumblr.com)	Sep 29 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvlkp	Sep 29 10:06
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cubexyz	I don't want secure boot at all	Sep 29 10:24
cubexyz	I want firmware source code	Sep 29 10:24
cubexyz	no jumping through secure boot hoops	Sep 29 10:25
cubexyz	so far chromebooks are the best for that, but I'm hoping some day that beaglebone will be fully supported	Sep 29 10:26
cubexyz	it's all BS... I can lock out firmware writes myself	Sep 29 10:27
cubexyz	I don't need secure boot	Sep 29 10:27
cubexyz	I mentioned this about HP Pavilion quite a while ago:	Sep 29 10:33
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/secure-boot.txt	Sep 29 10:33
cubexyz	better to completely KO the firmware with coreboot	Sep 29 10:35
cubexyz	you better believe that the defaults are "secure boot ON"	Sep 29 10:37
cubexyz	so if your CMOS battery goes, it's back to jumping through hoops	Sep 29 10:37
cubexyz	this is a perfect example of the boiling frog anecdote	Sep 29 10:38
cubexyz	even if people go with the silly fedora signed kernel... well guess what? No unsigned custom kernels!	Sep 29 10:40
cubexyz	crackers usually don't even hijack the bootloader usually	Sep 29 10:42
cubexyz	their stupid windows computer is infected AFTER booting!	Sep 29 10:43
cubexyz	so secure boot is BS	Sep 29 10:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines First thoughts: Linux on the Supermicro	Sep 29 10:50
TweetTuxMachines	5028D-T4NT https://t.co/KAalv7KkuL (major.io)	Sep 29 10:50
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvluf	Sep 29 10:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-major.io \| First thoughts: Linux on the Supermicro 5028D-T4NT - major.io		Sep 29 10:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BlackBerry Sees the Android Light	Sep 29 10:51
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/71EO1Sj9JZ (www.linuxinsider.com)	Sep 29 10:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvlug	Sep 29 10:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxinsider.com \| BlackBerry Sees the Android Light \| Mobile \| LinuxInsider		Sep 29 10:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Huawei Watch Review, the classiest Android Wear	Sep 29 10:51
TweetTuxMachines	smartwatch available right now	Sep 29 10:51
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/4NCMCuMo7H (phandroid.com)	Sep 29 10:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvluh	Sep 29 10:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-phandroid.com \| Huawei Watch Review, the classiest Android Wear smartwatch available right now		Sep 29 10:51
msb_	cubexyz: Proof that UEFI/secure-boot can be turned of on ASUS 990FX mobo. "CSM" means "compatibility support module". https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?37591-Sabertooth-990FX-Rev2-won-t-detect-my-HDD-or-SSD-can-t-install-an-OS!-Help! https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7416500.html	Sep 29 11:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rog.asus.com \| Sabertooth 990FX Rev2 won't detect my HDD or SSD, can't install an OS! Help! [ http://ur1.ca/nvkpu ]		Sep 29 11:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.gentoo.org \| Gentoo Forums :: View topic - UEFI on ASUS Sabertooth 990fx r2? [ http://ur1.ca/nvkpv ]		Sep 29 11:09
msb_	cubexyz: So you can have a modern fast 8-core computer that will run any OS.	Sep 29 11:12
msb_	3 times faster than a chromebook.	Sep 29 11:12
msb_	cubexyz: Hopefully you received my e-mail with the precise instructions from ASUS that they sent me yesterday.	Sep 29 11:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu broke Java because of Unity	Sep 29 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/FBSCYwK0bQ (www.vitavonni.de)	Sep 29 11:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vitavonni.de \| Ubuntu broke Java because of Unity		Sep 29 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvm12	Sep 29 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Solus Arrives on October 1, Big Changes Land	Sep 29 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	for Budgie Desktop http://t.co/cCPcrHo2kJ	Sep 29 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Sep 29 11:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Solus Arrives on October 1, Big Changes Land for Budgie Desktop - Softpedia		Sep 29 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvm13	Sep 29 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines More Ubuntu Phones Coming Soon, Says Official	Sep 29 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	Site http://t.co/a2WwgnHkyp	Sep 29 11:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| More Ubuntu Phones Coming Soon, Says Official Site - Softpedia		Sep 29 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 29 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvm14	Sep 29 11:19
cubexyz	msb_, that's just crap	Sep 29 11:22
cubexyz	I'm not going to do that	Sep 29 11:22
msb_	why	Sep 29 11:23
cubexyz	they have obfuscated the booting process	Sep 29 11:23
msb_	You always have to do some BIOS setups when you build a new computer.	Sep 29 11:24
cubexyz	save secure boot keys to USB <- no thanks	Sep 29 11:24
cubexyz	not even sure what that means even	Sep 29 11:25
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msb_	That's if you want to be able to run windows 10 later. Note that that step is labelled OPTIONAL.	Sep 29 11:25
msb_	$180 for the FX8350 CPU and $180 for the mobo	Sep 29 11:26
msb_	You can view big x265 videos, do video editing, super-fast compiles, all sorts of things	Sep 29 11:27
msb_	transcode videos to save disk space	Sep 29 11:27
cubexyz	at the very least secure boot mus be disabled by default	Sep 29 11:28
cubexyz	only then would I consider it	Sep 29 11:28
msb_	MILSPEC, solid capacitors like you want	Sep 29 11:28
cubexyz	that's only part of what I want	Sep 29 11:29
msb_	Why? How often is the battery going to lose power? Every 5 years. And if it does resetting the BIOS only takes a couple minutes.	Sep 29 11:29
cubexyz	I want the firmware source	Sep 29 11:31
cubexyz	I know every step of the startup process on Gigabyte GA-BXC	Sep 29 11:32
cubexyz	and I'll prove it:	Sep 29 11:35
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/coreboot-serial-output.txt	Sep 29 11:35
msb_	"<cubexyz> if I could find an AMD FX-8350 motherboard with coreboot I'd buy it in a second"	Sep 29 11:35
cubexyz	right	Sep 29 11:36
msb_	cubexyz: Why, exactly, do you need to have the firmware source?	Sep 29 11:36
cubexyz	same reason I want the source code for my operating system	Sep 29 11:36
cubexyz	I want to know exactly what my computer is doing	Sep 29 11:36
msb_	You think an ASUS mobo is secretly going to do something nasty?	Sep 29 11:37
cubexyz	sure	Sep 29 11:38
msb_	Like what?	Sep 29 11:38
cubexyz	well, NSA bios backdoor for one thing	Sep 29 11:39
cubexyz	but who knows, if you don't have the source code	Sep 29 11:39
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msb_	Is coreboot ever going to support a mobo for a fast 8-core cpu?	Sep 29 11:39
cubexyz	they are working on it	Sep 29 11:40
cubexyz	these things take time	Sep 29 11:40
msb_	like about when?	Sep 29 11:40
cubexyz	it really depends a lot on datasheets	Sep 29 11:40
cubexyz	if the datasheets for all the chips is available then 6 months	Sep 29 11:41
cubexyz	if not, it can take years	Sep 29 11:41
msb_	Could it be that you prefer to have a slow computer?	Sep 29 11:41
cubexyz	no, I want firmware source code... I put at least 100 hours into the Gigabyte project	Sep 29 11:43
cubexyz	tested it with many different operating systems	Sep 29 11:44
msb_	If there's anything in your life that you don't want the NSA to find out about, you can't communicate it to anybody, except by whispering it directly in their ear.	Sep 29 11:44
msb_	If you talk about it on the Net or by phone they can find out.	Sep 29 11:44
cubexyz	NSA hacked Dell Servers, it's proven	Sep 29 11:45
msb_	What OS were they running?	Sep 29 11:46
cubexyz	at the time I think they were running windows 2000, 2003, and XP	Sep 29 11:46
msb_	Ha!	Sep 29 11:46
cubexyz	but even if the NSA isn't hacking my computer I still want firmware source code	Sep 29 11:47
msb_	I think it's your religion.	Sep 29 11:47
msb_	Do you read all the Linux kernel source code?	Sep 29 11:48
cubexyz	anything I have to look at I look at	Sep 29 11:49
cubexyz	for example, the init code, wall, most of coreutils	Sep 29 11:49
cubexyz	security patches for bash	Sep 29 11:50
cubexyz	that sort of thing	Sep 29 11:50
cubexyz	I wanted to build a gtk1 browser so I did	Sep 29 11:50
msb_	I said kernel.	Sep 29 11:50
XRevan86	msb_: That's a good ideology.	Sep 29 11:51
cubexyz	mostly I've looking at LKM	Sep 29 11:51
cubexyz	and device drivers	Sep 29 11:52
msb_	XRevan86: It is if it doesn't cost 2/3 of your computer's speed.	Sep 29 11:52
XRevan86	although a bit expensive	Sep 29 11:52
cubexyz	I wanted to understand radeonfb	Sep 29 11:52
cubexyz	that's a work in progress	Sep 29 11:52
msb_	XRevan86: What's expensive?	Sep 29 11:53
XRevan86	msb_: FSF-certified laptops, for instance.	Sep 29 11:53
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XRevan86	msb_: And so I'll stick to my proprietary InsydeH2O junk %).	Sep 29 11:54
cubexyz	there's a UK company called minifree that will install libreboot but it is expensive	Sep 29 11:56
cubexyz	gluglug -> minifree	Sep 29 11:56
cubexyz	they changed the name	Sep 29 11:56
msb_	ASUS equipment has always worked great for me. I've used several of their mobos. Very reliable.	Sep 29 11:57
msb_	cubexyz: is libreboot the same as coreboot? How much do they charge?	Sep 29 11:57
cubexyz	libreboot is coreboot without any binary blobs	Sep 29 11:57
XRevan86	msb_: libreboot is coreboot without firmwares.	Sep 29 11:57
cubexyz	200 pounds	Sep 29 11:58
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XRevan86	libreboot is linux-libre of coreboot	Sep 29 11:58
msb_	cubexyz: To instal on _any_ mobo?	Sep 29 11:58
cubexyz	no	Sep 29 11:58
msb_	and fully utilize it?	Sep 29 11:58
XRevan86	http://minifree.org/product/libreboot-installation-service	Sep 29 11:58
cubexyz	only certain models of thinkpads	Sep 29 11:59
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XRevan86	> The following libreboot-compatible systems are a part of this service	Sep 29 11:59
cubexyz	at least it helps fun libreboot	Sep 29 12:00
cubexyz	fund	Sep 29 12:00
msb_	Well, my work yesterday wasn't wasted. I'm sure gonna get one.	Sep 29 12:00
msb_	No more nicing down firefox when I want to watch an x265.	Sep 29 12:01
cubexyz	X60/T60 is the cheapest option	Sep 29 12:01
cubexyz	of course one can do the work themselves and save $$$	Sep 29 12:02
msb_	What, put a socket under the BIOS chip?	Sep 29 12:02
msb_	Actually, lots of BIOSes are flashable these days, so you don't have to do that. If coreboot will run on it.	Sep 29 12:04
XRevan86	> If coreboot will run on it	Sep 29 12:04
XRevan86	and it probably won't	Sep 29 12:04
cubexyz	it's when something gets botched up you need to remove the chip	Sep 29 12:05
cubexyz	and use an external programmer	Sep 29 12:05
cubexyz	infared doesn't work, other than that it works on X60	Sep 29 12:06
msb_	I think systemd is much more likely to be used for govt intrusion than an ASUS bios.	Sep 29 12:07
msb_	cubexyz: Do you mean ultraviolet?	Sep 29 12:07
cubexyz	minifree is also selling a wifi adapter to replace the non-free intel one	Sep 29 12:07
XRevan86	I think systemd is much-much less likely to be used for govt intrusion than AMI/Insyde/Phoenix BIOS.	Sep 29 12:08
cubexyz	msb_, no infared, as in IRDA	Sep 29 12:08
cubexyz	hardly anyone uses it	Sep 29 12:08
cubexyz	but I've played around with it	Sep 29 12:08
cubexyz	it's not critical, but it's nice to have	Sep 29 12:09
cubexyz	I've reprogrammed a tv remote to do a few things on Linux	Sep 29 12:10
cubexyz	libreboot is based on coreboot, but they've taken things one step farther	Sep 29 12:11
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/libreboot-supported-hardware.txt	Sep 29 12:13
cubexyz	very strict	Sep 29 12:15
XRevan86	http://www.coreboot.org/Supported_Motherboards this list is a bit bigger	Sep 29 12:15
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XRevan86	That's the up-side of coreboot being non-libre.	Sep 29 12:16
cubexyz	I think the X60 used a PLCC so you can pull the chip out with a special tool	Sep 29 12:19
cubexyz	better to have an extra chip and external programmer to be safe	Sep 29 12:21
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cubexyz	the binary blob firmware could include remote management and monitoring features	Sep 29 14:09
cubexyz	Intel has mucked things up with Intel Boot Guard	Sep 29 14:09
cubexyz	so coreboot can't support it	Sep 29 14:10
cubexyz	new thinkpads are locked out	Sep 29 14:10
cubexyz	boiling frog...	Sep 29 14:11
cubexyz	the PC manufacturer fuses their public key into the hardware	Sep 29 14:12
cubexyz	UEFI firmware not signed by the OEM... the computer will refuse to boot	Sep 29 14:12
msb_	" We have twelve PLUTO-class atomic-powered cruise missiles pointed at that thing, day and night, as many megatons as the entire Minuteman force. In principle, we will be able to blast it to pieces before it can be brought to full wakefulness and eat the minds of everyone within two hundred miles.''	Sep 29 14:13
cubexyz	so msb_ you are right about Intel	Sep 29 14:13
msb_	-- A Colder War -- Charles Stross	Sep 29 14:14
cubexyz	they aren't good	Sep 29 14:14
msb_	How so?	Sep 29 14:14
cubexyz	and they are getting worse, see above	Sep 29 14:14
cubexyz	with Intel Boot Guard you can't change to coreboot no matter how hard you try	Sep 29 14:14
msb_	Because of something in the cpu itself?	Sep 29 14:15
cubexyz	I think so	Sep 29 14:15
cubexyz	in the hardware for sure	Sep 29 14:16
msb_	So AMD is better.	Sep 29 14:16
cubexyz	or old Intel	Sep 29 14:16
msb_	Remember when AMD 386's had faster	Sep 29 14:16
msb_	FPUs?	Sep 29 14:16
msb_	Old is slow.	Sep 29 14:17
cubexyz	it's a mixed bag	Sep 29 14:17
cubexyz	AMD k6's overheated, so did some Athlons	Sep 29 14:17
cubexyz	msb_, there's no reason why one can't use an old computer for some things, as an auxiliary computer	Sep 29 14:18
cubexyz	just like I'm doing now with IRC	Sep 29 14:18
msb_	I only need one computer, and I want it fast. General purpose, right?	Sep 29 14:19
cubexyz	sure, I just think it's safe to have more than just one computer	Sep 29 14:20
cubexyz	in case one breaks	Sep 29 14:20
msb_	True. So you can use it to get parts for the main one.	Sep 29 14:20
cubexyz	exactly	Sep 29 14:20
msb_	Well, I'll keep my current one. Other than the keyboard and display, there's not much that can be used on the new one.	Sep 29 14:21
msb_	No more borrowing a neighbor's winblows laptop.	Sep 29 14:22
cubexyz	ugh, don't do that :)	Sep 29 14:22
msb_	better than nothing	Sep 29 14:22
cubexyz	I have a stack of broken laptops	Sep 29 14:23
cubexyz	most of them are donations from customers	Sep 29 14:23
cubexyz	none of them have a good design	Sep 29 14:24
cubexyz	GPUs destroyed by heat	Sep 29 14:24
cubexyz	or fans stop working	Sep 29 14:24
msb_	You're more of a purist than I am. I'll even use skype if that's all the other person has. BTW it's working again.	Sep 29 14:28
msb_	Just hold up a cross in front of me and shout, "Back Satan!"	Sep 29 14:29
msb_	The power of Christ compels me!	Sep 29 14:29
cubexyz	I'm not sure what to tell people to buy for laptops these days	Sep 29 14:30
cubexyz	for myself, I'll continue to fix the old laptops	Sep 29 14:30
msb_	Didn't there used to be a really good Japanese brand?	Sep 29 14:31
cubexyz	sure	Sep 29 14:31
cubexyz	Panasonic Toughbook	Sep 29 14:31
msb_	Before that.	Sep 29 14:31
cubexyz	Toshiba maybe	Sep 29 14:32
msb_	I think that was it.	Sep 29 14:32
msb_	Had lots of RAM and disk capacity for the time.	Sep 29 14:32
cubexyz	any particular model# ?	Sep 29 14:33
msb_	I was speccing one out for a friend. Cost a couple of grand.	Sep 29 14:33
cubexyz	Sharp had one of the earliest laptops	Sep 29 14:33
msb_	Too long to remember.	Sep 29 14:34
cubexyz	display was 80x8 though :)	Sep 29 14:34
cubexyz	n//	Sep 29 14:34
cubexyz	oops	Sep 29 14:34
cubexyz	Toshiba was the first company to put a hard drive into a laptop	Sep 29 14:35
cubexyz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toshiba_T1200	Sep 29 14:37
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msb_	This is a great story. Colonel Ollie North and Fawn Hall are fighting the Russians who are using Cthi	Sep 29 14:38
msb_	This is a great story. Colonel Ollie North and Fawn Hall are fighting the Russians who are using Cthulhu creatures as weapons -- Shoggoths and maybe Cthulhu himself.	Sep 29 14:38
msb_	The US is using those nuclear-powered ramjet planes I mentioned recently -- Project Pluto.	Sep 29 14:39
cubexyz	some of the old 386 Toshiba's go for more than much newer computers	Sep 29 14:41
MinceR	"In Call of Cthulhu, it's possible (if your investigators are insanely brilliant and cunning) to hit Cthulhu with a nuclear weapon. The game has rules for what happens when you do this. What are the rules? Cthulhu regenerates about 15 minutes later... but now he's radioactive. "	Sep 29 14:50
MinceR	http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BrokeYourArmPunchingOutCthulhu	Sep 29 14:50
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cubexyz	I had to install xchm to look at some of the BIOS docs	Sep 29 14:52
cubexyz	ls	Sep 29 14:52
cubexyz	warning to all:	Sep 29 14:53
cubexyz	BIOS is gummed up with lots of Microsoft crap	Sep 29 14:54
cubexyz	when you look at the docs there's a big pic of NDA Required at the top	Sep 29 14:54
cubexyz	I'm surprised there isn't a frowning Big Brother as well	Sep 29 14:55
cubexyz	all hypothetically speaking you understand :)	Sep 29 14:55
cubexyz	anyways, that's why things are in a bad state	Sep 29 14:57
cubexyz	Microsoft has the BIOS writers by the balls	Sep 29 14:58
cubexyz	I'm sure no one is surprised	Sep 29 14:58
MinceR	well, TianoCore and UEFI itself is chock full of m$-isms despite allegedly coming from intel	Sep 29 14:59
cubexyz	Intel used their own tools at the very beginning of the life of the IBM PC	Sep 29 15:01
cubexyz	but soon after that they switched to Microsoft tools to write BIOS	Sep 29 15:01
cubexyz	but yes, UEFI formats mirror Microsoft Windows	Sep 29 15:02
cubexyz	essentially almost all computers are designed to be windows computers	Sep 29 15:02
MinceR	and AMD can't be arsed to publish free GPU drivers	Sep 29 15:02
cubexyz	also you can use hh.exe with wine	Sep 29 15:04
cubexyz	if there's rendering problems with xchm	Sep 29 15:04
cubexyz	34 years and we still don't have an ideal PC	Sep 29 15:06
MinceR	seems we're drifting further from it	Sep 29 15:06
MinceR	as for chm, that's m$ garbage	Sep 29 15:06
MinceR	if it can't be rendered accurately, too bad	Sep 29 15:06
cubexyz	MinceR, I definitely remember compiling xserver-sorg-video-radeon	Sep 29 15:07
cubexyz	xserver-xorg-video-radeon	Sep 29 15:07
MinceR	what about the kernel part?	Sep 29 15:07
MinceR	also, can that do 3d?	Sep 29 15:07
cubexyz	yes	Sep 29 15:07
cubexyz	my notes on on another computer which isn't working at the moment	Sep 29 15:08
cubexyz	s/on/are/	Sep 29 15:08
MinceR	also, why is almost nobody making AMD laptops?	Sep 29 15:09
cubexyz	most likely Intel is cutting exclusionary deals with OEMs	Sep 29 15:09
cubexyz	AMD even skipped chromebooks	Sep 29 15:14
cubexyz	they went windows 10	Sep 29 15:14
cubexyz	hardly a good situation	Sep 29 15:14
cubexyz	HP covered both bases	Sep 29 15:15
cubexyz	they made a windows 10 laptop and several models of chromebooks	Sep 29 15:15
cubexyz	the OEMs on the chromebook side are Samsung, ASUS, Toshiba, Acer, Lenovo, Dell and HP	Sep 29 15:16
cubexyz	hurray, Dell finally did something good	Sep 29 15:17
MinceR	they died?	Sep 29 15:19
cubexyz	:)	Sep 29 15:20
cubexyz	MinceR, you just don't like any company it seems	Sep 29 15:20
MinceR	that's not true	Sep 29 15:21
MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/Z3CJdDE.jpg	Sep 29 15:33
MinceR	though it's true that several companies i used to like gave me plenty of reasons to hate them	Sep 29 15:34
MinceR	like redcrap	Sep 29 15:34
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cubexyz	I hated windows, so I can't agree with SJVN on this point	Sep 29 18:18
cubexyz	it was awful right from the first time I used it	Sep 29 18:19
MinceR	what did he say?	Sep 29 18:19
cubexyz	and screw zdnet	Sep 29 18:19
cubexyz	"Why there will never be a year of the Linux desktop"	Sep 29 18:19
cubexyz	zdnet blows	Sep 29 18:19
MinceR	there already were several	Sep 29 18:20
MinceR	what i'd like to know is when there will be a year of the windows desktop and a year of the macos desktop	Sep 29 18:20
MinceR	when will they fix the glaring flaws that make their GUIs almost unusable	Sep 29 18:20
cubexyz	was there a year of the Sun workstation? it's a silly trope	Sep 29 18:20
cubexyz	he's basically saying that the desktop will disappear, or diminish greatly	Sep 29 18:22
cubexyz	but I don't agree with that	Sep 29 18:22
MinceR	well, it might disappear	Sep 29 18:23
MinceR	along with the rest of IT	Sep 29 18:23
MinceR	since it's being killed off	Sep 29 18:23
MinceR	and it will of course take the rest of our tech, science and society with it	Sep 29 18:23
cubexyz	you're describing a collapse of civilization	Sep 29 18:24
cubexyz	ok, well assuming that doesn't happen people will need a real computer	Sep 29 18:25
MinceR	well yes	Sep 29 18:25
MinceR	our civilization won't survive without IT	Sep 29 18:25
MinceR	but does that stop the fascists that are trying to kill IT? of course not.	Sep 29 18:25
cubexyz	Award and American Megatrends both used Microsoft tools to write their BIOSes	Sep 29 18:30
cubexyz	probably Masm 6.12 for this era I'm looking at which is from 1999	Sep 29 18:31
cubexyz	ha, I'm very close, it was MASM611 in says in the comments	Sep 29 18:32
cubexyz	valuable info	Sep 29 18:32
cubexyz	soon I'll know if there's any funny business in there	Sep 29 18:34
cubexyz	I'm expecting there isn't but you never know	Sep 29 18:34
cubexyz	some parts were written for Masm 5.10	Sep 29 18:35
cubexyz	they are from 1995	Sep 29 18:36
cubexyz	the 2011 code just looks so complex	Sep 29 18:40
cubexyz	pretty sure the BIOS code from 1999 has no TCP/IP stack	Sep 29 18:41
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cubexyz	Intel/i810	Sep 29 18:44
r_schestowitz	Snowden joins Twitter and follows the NSA	Sep 29 18:49
r_schestowitz	http://bigstory.ap.org/article/6a46950ab68349c6a67f0f519e85ed38/snowden-joins-twitter-and-follows-nsa#overlay-context=	Sep 29 18:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bigstory.ap.org \| Snowden joins Twitter and follows the NSA [ http://ur1.ca/nvoqx ]		Sep 29 18:49
cubexyz	ha, Snowden works a Dell... NSA later on hacks Dell Servers	Sep 29 18:51
cubexyz	works at Dell	Sep 29 18:51
r_schestowitz	worked there before	Sep 29 18:56
r_schestowitz	as a sysadmin or something	Sep 29 18:56
r_schestowitz	!google snowden worked dell	Sep 29 18:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Edward Snowden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia \| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden	Sep 29 18:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Snowden downloaded NSA secrets while working for Dell, sources ... \| http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/15/usa-security-snowden-dell-idUSL2N0GF11220130815	Sep 29 18:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Edward Snowden: The Untold Story \| WIRED \| http://www.wired.com/2014/08/edward-snowden/	Sep 29 18:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - An NSA Coworker Remembers The Real Edward Snowden: 'A ... \| http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/12/16/an-nsa-coworker-remembers-the-real-edward-snowden-a-genius-among-geniuses/	Sep 29 18:56
r_schestowitz	cubexyz: I studied his history closely since he came out to the media	Sep 29 18:59
r_schestowitz	He's hard to discredit	Sep 29 18:59
r_schestowitz	esp. after he decided to turn against the former employer in a big way	Sep 29 18:59
r_schestowitz	Assange is easy to discredit from many angles	Sep 29 18:59
r_schestowitz	inc. personal life	Sep 29 19:00
r_schestowitz	[15:34] <MinceR> like redcrap	Sep 29 19:00
r_schestowitz	Nee villain in town?	Sep 29 19:00
r_schestowitz	What has Red Hat done wrong other than lennux and SELinux/NSA?	Sep 29 19:01
r_schestowitz	It's Canonical that plays ball with MS more these days	Sep 29 19:01
cubexyz	they kowtowed to Microsoft too	Sep 29 19:01
r_schestowitz	Except a few examples where they do diss Vista 10	Sep 29 19:01
cubexyz	paying for secure boot keys	Sep 29 19:01
r_schestowitz	cubexyz: not as much as some companies like Novell and Canonical	Sep 29 19:01
r_schestowitz	Red Hat collabs on virt with MSFT	Sep 29 19:01
r_schestowitz	But little beuond that	Sep 29 19:01
r_schestowitz	They also hired some virt people from MSFT	Sep 29 19:02
r_schestowitz	Ah, SHIM...	Sep 29 19:02
r_schestowitz	Right, UEFI	Sep 29 19:02
cubexyz	don't people realize I don't want secure boot?	Sep 29 19:02
r_schestowitz	That's from the time Garrett was in Fedora	Sep 29 19:02
r_schestowitz	Red Hat	Sep 29 19:02
cubexyz	I just don't want it	Sep 29 19:02
r_schestowitz	used to work for Canonical too	Sep 29 19:02
cubexyz	no one is going to make a Plan 9 key	Sep 29 19:02
r_schestowitz	Debian, GNOME, later some virt/sec company...	Sep 29 19:03
r_schestowitz	cubexyz: well, it's a big issue	Sep 29 19:03
r_schestowitz	I'm still active in opposing it	Sep 29 19:03
r_schestowitz	I met someone from Intel last week	Sep 29 19:03
cubexyz	they aren't just going to lock out Linux you know	Sep 29 19:03
r_schestowitz	even wore their shirt as a joke	Sep 29 19:03
cubexyz	all alternative OSes will be locked out	Sep 29 19:03
r_schestowitz	I think Intel is getting fed up with Microsoft	Sep 29 19:03
r_schestowitz	But they want to do to Linux what IBM does	Sep 29 19:03
r_schestowitz	TPM and all that, DRM too	Sep 29 19:04
r_schestowitz	They also lobby for software patents	Sep 29 19:04
r_schestowitz	UEFI is a patent trap	Sep 29 19:04
cubexyz	where is Snowden now?	Sep 29 19:05
cubexyz	I guess he's still in Russia	Sep 29 19:05
cubexyz	Intel has gone off the rails	Sep 29 19:07
cubexyz	but that is generally true about computers	Sep 29 19:07
r_schestowitz	Snowden is dais to be in Moscow	Sep 29 19:10
r_schestowitz	Unless he was discreetly relocated for his safety or whatever	Sep 29 19:10
r_schestowitz	Intel still makes chips for other companies in its factories, so it's not quite dead yet	Sep 29 19:10
r_schestowitz	TVH, if Intel statrted to work harder on FOSS drivers, open designs, not DRM, UEFI etc. (just FOSS/Linux), it would make them not _necessarily_ worth a death	Sep 29 19:11
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MinceR	200049 < r_schestowitz> Nee villain in town?	Sep 29 19:15
MinceR	indeed	Sep 29 19:16
MinceR	lendows wasn't bad enough?	Sep 29 19:16
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r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/648765007359016960?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email	Sep 29 19:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Yeah, that's why he has managed to survive several bankruptcies.		Sep 29 19:18
r_schestowitz	Sounds like Lindows	Sep 29 19:18
r_schestowitz	re vv <MinceR> lendows wasn't bad enough?	Sep 29 19:19
MinceR	oh, and promoting uefi, of course	Sep 29 19:19
MinceR	lendows is a portmanteau of lennart and windows	Sep 29 19:20
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/645005924264906753?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email	Sep 29 19:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz except my university which is using huge amounts of Windows machines. With select people getting Apple pc		Sep 29 19:21
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/645006315132076032?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=26fb02c48c166adc42f797002ebd4cf20270e7ac&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=c6ad0a3950cf442cbef302ea56889133&autoactions=1442616464&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267	Sep 29 19:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz I think they use a version of Linux for some server activities, but that's it. I'm only student using Linux actively it seems		Sep 29 19:21
cubexyz	MinceR is right, computers are getting a bit worse for the user	Sep 29 19:24
cubexyz	it's getting harder to write FOSS firmware, not easier	Sep 29 19:24
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/644474956529729536?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=c91bf03ee177f3eccaa6637cf2effa10ed16f492&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=342e187fb2704dce9a5aea602986651d&autoactions=1442489778&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267	Sep 29 19:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz EPO leadership out of control: now SUEPO has even had to remove a link to Heise, Germany's most-read IT news site		Sep 29 19:24
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/644474956529729536?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=c91bf03ee177f3eccaa6637cf2effa10ed16f492&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=342e187fb2704dce9a5aea602986651d&autoactions=1442489778&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267	Sep 29 19:24
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/avl7771/status/644477325585838080?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email https://twitter.com/avl7771/status/644478515589550080?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=2e2243befc1b5f1b9238eb517e96789175d3cdd3&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=cd02f30e6a5a445ba8cc07a1ccff9663&autoactions=1442490626&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267 https://twitter.com/SurfEasyInc/status/644493470237917184?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=7fc3319c41b082bb77b10849b6a6961ee202fb2e&al=1&	Sep 29 19:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@avl7771: @schestowitz This is about a separate product that Opera recently acquired (@SurfEasyInc VPN), not about the browser. There's no demoting.		Sep 29 19:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@avl7771: @schestowitz And on Mac and Windows, Opera doesn't "come with" @SurfEasyInc VPN, it just promotes it with a link to download and install it.		Sep 29 19:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SurfEasyInc: @avl7771 @schestowitz Hi guys. We're happy to answer any questions you have about our service! We're thrilled to be part of the Opera family		Sep 29 19:28
r_schestowitz	refsrc=email&iid=0d5c62c03b6244229ddeaa01283f886b&autoactions=1442494192&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267	Sep 29 19:28
cubexyz	Intel promised to open source the Tiano BIOS under the CPL	Sep 29 19:32
cubexyz	BUT!	Sep 29 19:32
MinceR	it will still be a horribly bloated piece of shit	Sep 29 19:32
cubexyz	there's a firmwire chip that refuses to boot your custom BIOS if you change anything	Sep 29 19:32
MinceR	which treats m$ "technology" preferentially	Sep 29 19:32
MinceR	right, intel boot guard	Sep 29 19:32
cubexyz	1998 era, I've done it... I've flash my own firmware on Gigabyte GA-6BXC	Sep 29 19:41
cubexyz	of course it's old but that gives one the time period where it was still possible to do custom firmware	Sep 29 19:42
cubexyz	no microsoft tools were needed	Sep 29 19:42
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/bootsplash.jpg	Sep 29 19:45
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msb_	MinceR: That's a great cartoon about psychopath Islamics being afraid of a pig. I wonder if pig juice or blood could be used to fight ISIL?	Sep 29 21:24
cubexyz	I must admit to being a bit confused by that cartoon	Sep 29 21:24
cubexyz	I guess muslims are afraid of pigs?	Sep 29 21:25
XRevan86	msb_: It can't. Islam has exceptions to dogmas.	Sep 29 21:25
msb_	Moslems are programmed to be extremely averse to pork.	Sep 29 21:25
cubexyz	ok, I didn't know that	Sep 29 21:25
XRevan86	for survival muslim can even eat a pig	Sep 29 21:25
msb_	I remember some scifi story about muslims being fought by showering the Kaaba Stone with pig juice.	Sep 29 21:28
msb_	Well, the Russians will be using bullets.	Sep 29 21:28
msb_	in Syria	Sep 29 21:28
msb_	Hi-tech attack helicopters and missiles. Hard to hide in the desert.	Sep 29 21:30
msb_	ISIL will no doubt hide among civilians. They are monsters. US-supported monsters.	Sep 29 21:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ASUS ZenWatch 2 review http://t.co/IHhQXBowKk	Sep 29 22:11
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MinceR	msb_: only if it's recognizable as such	Sep 29 22:33
MinceR	btw, the old testament bans the consumption of pig	Sep 29 22:34
MinceR	s/pig/pork/	Sep 29 22:34
MinceR	i wonder what christians did to that	Sep 29 22:34
msb_	MinceR: Bacon grease (liquified for spraying) would be recognizable, and hard to remove. re Xtians, I have no idea.	Sep 29 22:43
MinceR	:)	Sep 29 22:43
MinceR	though i suspect they'd invent an exemption if this was used against them regularly	Sep 29 22:43
MinceR	by revelation :>	Sep 29 22:44
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cubexyz	they did give some consideration to SCO Unix in the BIOS of this era	Sep 29 22:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hands-on: the Pixel C is a great Android tablet	Sep 29 23:04
TweetTuxMachines	that costs a great deal of money	Sep 29 23:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Run Linux Destop Sessions In A Web Browser With	Sep 29 23:04
TweetTuxMachines	Icebergs http://t.co/AesB9pYSX8	Sep 29 23:04
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cubexyz	you may be interested to hear that AMI did test their BIOS with Redhat Linux	Sep 29 23:06
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MinceR	apparently the ban on pork was kind of revoked in NT: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/eat.html	Sep 29 23:19
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cubexyz	aha	Sep 29 23:32
cubexyz	print screen is supported by my BIOS	Sep 29 23:34
cubexyz	funny the things you can learn after 15 years	Sep 29 23:35
MinceR	:)	Sep 29 23:37
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*Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org \| Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell		Sep 29 23:44
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cubexyz	also one doesn't get all the info on one page since the screen scrolls in the BIOS menu	Sep 29 23:46
msb_	" Did I ever put you in an unsafe situation? All the time. Then you should be used to it!	Sep 29 23:52
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msb_	Did I ever put you in an unsafe situation? All the time. Then you should be used to it!	Sep 29 23:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Developer Proposes a Method for	Sep 30 00:36
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TweetTuxMachines	visualization tools http://t.co/aKzrmiLjE0	Sep 30 02:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Doors opening for open source data visualization tools \| Tux Machines		Sep 30 02:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Red Hat was upgraded by analysts at Zacks from	Sep 30 02:38
TweetTuxMachines	a “hold” rating to a “buy” rating."	Sep 30 02:38
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/rjVqMPaXkm	Sep 30 02:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dakotafinancialnews.com \| Research Analysts’ Recent Ratings Changes for Red Hat (RHT)		Sep 30 02:38
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvrxf	Sep 30 02:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Palau may be tiny but apparently Paluans love	Sep 30 02:38
TweetTuxMachines	GNU/Linux." http://t.co/oKm3TPmFwY	Sep 30 02:38
TweetTuxMachines	(mrpogson.com)	Sep 30 02:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mrpogson.com \| GNU/Linux Breaks Out On Desktops In Palau \| Robert Pogson		Sep 30 02:38
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvrxg	Sep 30 02:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "The Manajro Linux distribution is now at its	Sep 30 02:42
TweetTuxMachines	15.09 mileston" http://t.co/Y2GPbXLRTb	Sep 30 02:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxplanet.com \| Linux Top 3: Manjaro, Webconverger and Tails		Sep 30 02:42
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvry7	Sep 30 02:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines PRIV by BlackBerry: First Official Images	Sep 30 02:42
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/B2BUHoohIx (blogs.blackberry.com)	Sep 30 02:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.blackberry.com \| PRIV by BlackBerry: First Official Images \| Inside BlackBerry		Sep 30 02:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvry8	Sep 30 02:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.2.2 http://t.co/m8UHekpx8N (lwn.net)	Sep 30 02:42
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TweetTuxMachines	Linux 4.1.9 http://t.co/m8UHekpx8N (lwn.net)	Sep 30 02:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BQ Ubuntu "Convergent" Phone Launch Slips into	Sep 30 04:53
TweetTuxMachines	2016 http://t.co/EKCqM3g9dw	Sep 30 04:53
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat Upgraded http://t.co/sCoZl65o5Y	Sep 30 04:53
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 30 04:53
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-mquin-[Global Notice] On or around Friday, October 2nd we will be cleaning up the services database. Now's a good time to ensure you identify to services when connecting. Check out http://blog.freenode.net/2015/09/services-database-purge/		Sep 30 09:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Next Ubuntu Touch OTA Update to Enter Feature	Sep 30 09:18
TweetTuxMachines	Freeze http://t.co/II7XSFEHMB	Sep 30 09:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Next Ubuntu Touch OTA Update to Enter Feature Freeze - Softpedia		Sep 30 09:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google's Android mobile software piles on more	Sep 30 09:18
TweetTuxMachines	users http://t.co/Y3tz6OIXQy (www.cnet.com)	Sep 30 09:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnet.com \| Google's Android mobile software piles on more users - CNET		Sep 30 09:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvui5	Sep 30 09:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hands-on: the Pixel C is a great Android tablet	Sep 30 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	that costs a great deal of money	Sep 30 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/CLviwYVAFR (www.theverge.com)	Sep 30 09:21
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvuiz	Sep 30 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Run Linux Destop Sessions In A Web Browser With	Sep 30 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	Icebergs http://t.co/UJIYju7ZPG	Sep 30 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.lifehacker.com.au)	Sep 30 09:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.lifehacker.com.au \| Run Linux Destop Sessions In A Web Browser With Icebergs \| Lifehacker Australia		Sep 30 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvuj0	Sep 30 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Review: Silent Circle Blackphone 2 Sub Title:	Sep 30 09:21
TweetTuxMachines	Privacy Please http://t.co/Nmg6pzMBer	Sep 30 09:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wired.com \| Review: Silent Circle Blackphone 2 \| WIRED		Sep 30 09:21
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*TweetTuxMachines @morububuruq favourited 'Review: Silent Circle Blackphone 2 Sub Title: Privacy...'		Sep 30 09:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Developer Proposes a Method for	Sep 30 09:24
TweetTuxMachines	Detecting Native Ubuntu Touch Apps	Sep 30 09:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/yvwOrvGKmY (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 30 09:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Developer Proposes a Method for Detecting Native Ubuntu Touch Apps - Softpedia		Sep 30 09:24
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvujv	Sep 30 09:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines These are the 7 best new features of Android	Sep 30 09:26
TweetTuxMachines	Marshmallow http://t.co/hzl7gN5Tmo	Sep 30 09:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theverge.com)	Sep 30 09:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com \| These are the 7 best new features of Android Marshmallow \| The Verge		Sep 30 09:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvuk5	Sep 30 09:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Longtime Linux developer on new tech and new	Sep 30 09:26
TweetTuxMachines	contributors https://t.co/HZ7k6gZUvj	Sep 30 09:26
TweetTuxMachines	(opensource.com)	Sep 30 09:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| LinuxCon Europe interview with Hans de Goede, Red Hat \| Opensource.com		Sep 30 09:26
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*TweetTuxMachines @Ubersomediaco favourited 'Alcatel built a 17-inch Android tablet for your...'		Sep 30 09:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Changes the Way It Updates Ubuntu	Sep 30 09:37
TweetTuxMachines	After Launch http://t.co/I3n0W1lekj	Sep 30 09:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Canonical Changes the Way It Updates Ubuntu After Launch - Softpedia		Sep 30 09:37
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Sep 30 09:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvumo	Sep 30 09:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME 3.18 Open-Source Linux Desktop Gets a	Sep 30 09:37
TweetTuxMachines	Makeover http://t.co/sjMtYWohGi (www.eweek.com)	Sep 30 09:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvump	Sep 30 09:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eweek.com \| GNOME 3.18 Open-Source Linux Desktop Gets a Makeover		Sep 30 09:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Open Source Interface Conundrum: Will Linux	Sep 30 10:16
TweetTuxMachines	Ever Be Touch-Ready? http://t.co/kzScHy47U6	Sep 30 10:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thevarguy.com \| The Open Source Interface Conundrum: Will Linux Ever Be Touch-Ready? \| Open Source Application Software Companies content from The VAR Guy		Sep 30 10:16
TweetTuxMachines	(thevarguy.com)	Sep 30 10:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tizen Developer Summit 2015: Keynote, Panel	Sep 30 10:16
TweetTuxMachines	Talk and Technical Sessions	Sep 30 10:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/7NL4WKjgkp (www.tizenexperts.com)	Sep 30 10:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com \| [Video] Tizen Developer Summit 2015: Keynote, Panel Talk and Technical Sessions - Tizen Experts		Sep 30 10:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The release video of Gothenburg	Sep 30 10:16
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/h44QcJttOQ (blogs.gnome.org)	Sep 30 10:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvuvw	Sep 30 10:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hello from Fedora 23! http://t.co/7gx1V7piwN	Sep 30 11:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ankursinha.in \| Hello from Fedora 23! - ankursinha.in/blog		Sep 30 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	(ankursinha.in) "upgraded not one, not two, not	Sep 30 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	three, but four of my Fedora systems"	Sep 30 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvv9p	Sep 30 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Multi-boot stick update: TAILS 1.6, SysresCD	Sep 30 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	4.6.0, GParted 0.23, Debian 8.2	Sep 30 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ZaR9DJAKlD (www.preining.info)	Sep 30 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvv9q	Sep 30 11:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.preining.info \| Multi-boot stick update: TAILS 1.6, SysresCD 4.6.0, GParted 0.23, Debian 8.2 \| There and back again		Sep 30 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines [Developer] Wow, Developer Mode now available	Sep 30 11:20
TweetTuxMachines	on Samsung Smart Tizen TVs	Sep 30 11:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/VdNThbC7xq (www.tizenexperts.com)	Sep 30 11:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvv9s	Sep 30 11:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com \| [Developer] Wow, Developer Mode now available on Samsung Smart Tizen TVs - Tizen Experts		Sep 30 11:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Humble Indie Bundle 15 Brings a Ton of Linux	Sep 30 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	Games Including Skullgirls	Sep 30 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/aOhzaQzotB (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 30 11:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Humble Indie Bundle 15 Brings a Ton of Linux Games Including Skullgirls - Softpedia		Sep 30 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvvbm	Sep 30 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 'Alien: Isolation - The Collection' Launching	Sep 30 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	Sept. 29 For Linux http://t.co/1eVKCbq8dG	Sep 30 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.techtimes.com) http://t.co/DVbJury69b	Sep 30 11:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techtimes.com \| 'Alien: Isolation - The Collection' Launching Sept. 29 For Linux And Mac: Here Are The System Requirements : PERSONAL TECH : Tech Times		Sep 30 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Sep 30 11:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Alien: Isolation for Linux Delayed in the Launch Day - Softpedia		Sep 30 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvvbo	Sep 30 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux PC for $9 http://t.co/ZGzMXmYlYV	Sep 30 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.fudzilla.com)	Sep 30 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvvbp	Sep 30 11:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fudzilla.com \| Linux PC for $9		Sep 30 11:26
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*TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Linux PC for $9 http://t.co/ZGzMXmYlYV'		Sep 30 11:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The @LinuxFoundation Says You Should Install	Sep 30 11:37
TweetTuxMachines	Linux on Your #Chromebook	Sep 30 11:37
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/U4xhjjYxGq (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 30 11:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| The Linux Foundation Says You Should Install Linux on Your Chromebook - Softpedia		Sep 30 11:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Patches Two Linux Kernel	Sep 30 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	Vulnerabilities in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS	Sep 30 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/VSHlhHz0sH (linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 30 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvvkj	Sep 30 12:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Canonical Patches Two Linux Kernel Vulnerabilities in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS - Softpedia		Sep 30 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Jotun Is a Beautifully Crafted Adventure Game	Sep 30 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	for Linux	Sep 30 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/KTrjocmgLV (linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 30 12:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Jotun Is a Beautifully Crafted Adventure Game for Linux - Softpedia		Sep 30 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Alien: Isolation on Linux requires 4GB of RAM,	Sep 30 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	35GB HDD space http://t.co/CxSIPcr9kE	Sep 30 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tweaktown.com)	Sep 30 12:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tweaktown.com \| Alien: Isolation on Linux requires 4GB of RAM, 35GB HDD space		Sep 30 12:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How Would Software Freedom Have Helped With VW?	Sep 30 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/dVpDGrvXti (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 30 12:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How Would Software Freedom Have Helped With VW? \| Tux Machines		Sep 30 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Security Leftovers http://t.co/RuJmASanYM	Sep 30 12:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Security Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Sep 30 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Linux Foundation Says You Should Install	Sep 30 12:03
TweetTuxMachines	Linux on Your Chromebook http://t.co/ZCgviAqeVs	Sep 30 12:03
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 30 12:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Linux Foundation Says You Should Install Linux on Your Chromebook \| Tux Machines		Sep 30 12:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Gaming Keeps Getting Better	Sep 30 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/icM7gXDoHz (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 30 12:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Gaming Keeps Getting Better \| Tux Machines		Sep 30 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines #microsoft ‘loves’ #linux so much that it	Sep 30 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	continues to extort it using #patents	Sep 30 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/uX0nniPeTU (www.zdnet.com) #swpats	Sep 30 12:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Microsoft signs updated Android, Linux patent pact with I-O Data \| ZDNet		Sep 30 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	#racketeering #ricoact	Sep 30 12:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A look at Calamares: A distribution-independent	Sep 30 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	system installer http://t.co/x5fngHTsKf	Sep 30 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxbsdos.com)	Sep 30 12:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxbsdos.com \| Calamares: A distribution-independent system installer \| LinuxBSDos.com		Sep 30 12:36
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/649180917261537280	Sep 30 12:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @FreiheitExpert, I wonder if I'm the only person I know who turns the location transmitter in devices off & on?		Sep 30 12:48
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/649188220241059840	Sep 30 12:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @FreiheitExpert, that doesn't sound good. Do you follow @schestowitz? I have learned a lot from his tweets.		Sep 30 12:49
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/649188750900264960	Sep 30 12:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: А вот это серьезно по небезопасности отпечатков пальцев. https://t.co/V2A5aVDiGG		Sep 30 12:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Hackers Prove Fingerprints Are Not Secure, Now What? http://t.co/3eOJ4sXPlv #security #biometrics		Sep 30 12:49
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DaemonFC	I'm on my Chromebook. My desktop computer is somewhere in this mess. We're living in John's efficiency apartment for a few days while they get a much bigger one ready.	Sep 30 12:50
DaemonFC	MinceR: I took the two kittens we had left to the SPCA to get their shots and deworming and to get them spayed. They'll be up for adoption soon.	Sep 30 12:51
DaemonFC	I gave them temporary names on the forms so that I could see where they end up going for adoption.	Sep 30 12:51
DaemonFC	I named them Rose and River. :)	Sep 30 12:52
MinceR	:)	Sep 30 12:52
DaemonFC	Jabba (my cat) and Leeloo (John's cat. He let me name her a few months ago.) are not getting along very well.	Sep 30 12:53
DaemonFC	We've been alternating them between the main living area and the walk-in closet and bathroom area.	Sep 30 12:53
DaemonFC	Every time they see each other they hiss and growl.	Sep 30 12:53
DaemonFC	I guess that'll go on for a while until they get used to the fact that they're both here now.	Sep 30 12:54
DaemonFC	The lady at the SPCA said that they wouldn't hurt each other, but I've been too afraid to just let them have it out.	Sep 30 12:54
schestowitz	Hi DaemonFC	Sep 30 12:54
DaemonFC	When we get the bigger apartment, I'll let them hiss and growl and run away from each other like she said they would.	Sep 30 12:54
DaemonFC	Hi! :)	Sep 30 12:55
schestowitz	Who is John?	Sep 30 12:55
DaemonFC	boyfriend	Sep 30 12:55
schestowitz	Madame harmon\s latest bf?	Sep 30 12:55
DaemonFC	No, mine.	Sep 30 12:55
schestowitz	Ah, OK	Sep 30 12:55
schestowitz	I thought maybe Gonad the Barbarian II	Sep 30 12:55
schestowitz	With his viagra stash	Sep 30 12:55
DaemonFC	I told John that we can get Leeloo spayed next month when the Hope For Animals place can get her in.	Sep 30 12:56
DaemonFC	Jabba's fixed, so there won't be any Jabbaloo kittens running around.	Sep 30 12:56
DaemonFC	LMAO	Sep 30 12:56
DaemonFC	schestowitz: Yeah, that happened already.	Sep 30 12:56
schestowitz	spayed, eh/	Sep 30 12:56
schestowitz	So you're not "pro lifer"	Sep 30 12:56
DaemonFC	Dave. They're still not divorced yet.	Sep 30 12:56
schestowitz	Or maybe that applies not to non-human animals in the US...	Sep 30 12:56
DaemonFC	schestowitz: She was pregnant when we found her.	Sep 30 12:57
schestowitz	"baby killer!"	Sep 30 12:57
DaemonFC	So we took care of the five kittens she had. We found people to adopt three of them directly, but the last two went to the SPCA. They'll be up for adoption at Petsmart most likely.	Sep 30 12:57
DaemonFC	schestowitz: I don't think that there's anything wrong with getting a cat neutered or spayed so that it won't produce any more kittens.	Sep 30 12:58
DaemonFC	There's too many roaming the streets as it is. They're not in any danger of going extinct.	Sep 30 12:58
msb_	DaemonFC: The two cats that don't like each other -- are their claws trimmed?	Sep 30 12:59
DaemonFC	Jabba was declawed before I got him.	Sep 30 12:59
DaemonFC	We're not getting Leeloo declawed.	Sep 30 12:59
DaemonFC	I read up on it, and I think it should be illegal to get a cat declawed,	Sep 30 12:59
DaemonFC	It is in 37 countries, but not in the US, except for 8 cities.	Sep 30 13:00
DaemonFC	The operation is dangerous and it can cause more problems for you and the cat than it solves.	Sep 30 13:00
DaemonFC	It's better to get them a scratching post and encourage them to use that.	Sep 30 13:00
DaemonFC	I like cats, but they reproduce like crazy if you don't get that taken care of.	Sep 30 13:02
DaemonFC	A breeding pair of cats can result in 480,000 kittens in just 7 years.	Sep 30 13:02
DaemonFC	Nature is harsh, so it encourages reproducing in huge numbers so that some will live on to have offspring themselves.	Sep 30 13:03
msb_	I said claws _trimmed_, not declawed. Get a wire-stripper like this: http://learning.hccs.edu/faculty/khansaa.almansor1/cett1321/wiring-2/wiring-1/wire-stripper/image	Sep 30 13:03
DaemonFC	In nature, humans only live 35 or 40 years. That's why I crack up when people say they want to "go back to nature".	Sep 30 13:03
MinceR	religion poisons everything >> http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/next-door-to-delhi-mob-kills-50-year-old-injures-son-over-rumours-they-ate-beef/	Sep 30 13:04
DaemonFC	Modern living has doubled our life expectancy. I wonder how many people really want to give that up.	Sep 30 13:04
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msb_	Adjust the screw so it can close completely. Then press on the cat's toe so the claw emerges, and place the tip of the claw -- the clear part only, not containing blood vessels -- in the triangular notches of the wirestripper and close it. That cuts the claw from 4 sides so it doesn't split.	Sep 30 13:05
msb_	Repeat for all front and back claws. Removing the sharp tip of the claw greatly decreases the amount of injury it can cause.	Sep 30 13:07
msb_	DaemonFC: some cats need wrapping in a towel and holding by another person to trim their claws. Some don't mind, especially if you only do a few claws at a time.	Sep 30 13:09
msb_	Of course, only indoor-only cats should have their claws trimmed.	Sep 30 13:10
msb_	DaemonFC: You can also have the vet grind off the very tips of the fangs of an indoor cat during neutering/spaying if it bites.	Sep 30 13:12
msb_	DaemonFC: Neither claw-trimming nor fang de-pointing detracts from the quality of life of an indoor-only cat in any way. They can still climb scratching-posts, chew meat, etc.	Sep 30 13:13
DaemonFC	She's a good cat.	Sep 30 13:13
DaemonFC	Very mild mannered.	Sep 30 13:13
DaemonFC	Yeah, I had to have a tooth resurfaced once. It worked out okay. I'd imagine it's about the same for a cat.	Sep 30 13:14
msb_	Please spread the word on the wire-stripper. All Radio Shacks have them for $5 or less, and they do a much better job than the claw trimmers from a pet store that only cut the claw from 2 sides instead of 4.	Sep 30 13:16
msb_	Those can painfully split the claw.	Sep 30 13:16
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msb_	DaemonFC: Claw trimming only has to be done about once a week. It takes the cat that long to sharpen them up again on the scratching-post or carpet.	Sep 30 13:22
msb_	DaemonFC: Some cats enjoy being turned on their back on a bed and wrestling with your hand. That's much more fun for the person if the cat's claws can't wound them.	Sep 30 13:24
DaemonFC	yeah, leeloo got me the other day	Sep 30 13:25
DaemonFC	she didn't mean to	Sep 30 13:25
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/649196567962980352	Sep 30 13:25
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cubexyz	ok, I can make some remarks on why the firmware situation is so poor	Sep 30 13:27
cubexyz	first of all the BIOS writers, with the exception of Coreboot/Libreboot are using Microsoft programming tool to write the BIOS	Sep 30 13:29
cubexyz	Microsoft also added things to the PCI spec	Sep 30 13:29
cubexyz	the trend almost from the very beginning of the IBM PC was to use Microsoft programming tools	Sep 30 13:30
msb_	What things, and does the MS assembler write bad code?	Sep 30 13:30
cubexyz	Award was using different Masm versions, so was Intel/IBM	Sep 30 13:31
cubexyz	well it's bad in that it's highly proprietary closed source code	Sep 30 13:32
cubexyz	also some of the chips used in motherboards you have to sign an NDA to see the datasheets	Sep 30 13:33
cubexyz	and of course with secure boot/intel boot guard you couldn't even change the firmware if you wanted to	Sep 30 13:33
cubexyz	standard price to get the source code (and sign the NDA)?	Sep 30 13:34
cubexyz	at least $20K	Sep 30 13:34
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cubexyz	short story: Intel is using consumer lock-in tactics	Sep 30 13:43
cubexyz	basically you want at least a motherboard without secure boot/intel boot guard	Sep 30 13:45
cubexyz	ideally you want a motherboard with coreboot	Sep 30 13:45
msb_	Of course I'm not recommending that anyone use any ms product, but if someone uses masm, or even msc, it's silly to shun the resulting product. I think it's also silly to take a two-thirds speed decrease on your computer in order to avoid closed-source BIOS (although it may be safer to us an AMD than an Intel CPU).	Sep 30 13:45
cubexyz	well, I'm drawing a line here	Sep 30 13:47
msb_	Ideally, yes. But since I can get a mobo in which I can turn off secure-boot/boot-guard/UEFI, and get 3 times the MIPS speed as the fastest cheap one with coreboot, I want the speed.	Sep 30 13:47
cubexyz	we'll see if things get even worse in the future	Sep 30 13:47
cubexyz	msb_, I'm getting closer to a solution	Sep 30 13:48
msb_	A fast solution?	Sep 30 13:48
cubexyz	Tyan has quietly shipping some server motherboards with coreboot	Sep 30 13:48
cubexyz	they just didn't really talk about it	Sep 30 13:48
cubexyz	yes, fast and modern	Sep 30 13:49
cubexyz	but pricey	Sep 30 13:49
msb_	Hoo-hah! For 8-core AMD?	Sep 30 13:49
msb_	How pricey?	Sep 30 13:49
cubexyz	Don't know, but historically around $400 for server motherboard	Sep 30 13:50
msb_	Are they ATX?	Sep 30 13:50
cubexyz	yes	Sep 30 13:50
msb_	Tyan has been around for a long time. I guess they're good.	Sep 30 13:51
cubexyz	my 17 year old server has a tyan	Sep 30 13:51
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msb_	Do server mobos have full audio and lots of USB3 connections, i.e., user stuff?	Sep 30 13:53
cubexyz	I think you have to explicitly ask Tyan for coreboot firmware, otherwise you don't get it	Sep 30 13:53
cubexyz	good question	Sep 30 13:53
msb_	How is Intel using consumer lock-in tactics?	Sep 30 13:54
cubexyz	"Artec, Tyan Technexion and MSI ship coreboot for _specific systems_ on request"	Sep 30 13:54
cubexyz	I hear you can't change the CPU on some motherboards	Sep 30 13:55
cubexyz	CPU is fused to the motherboard	Sep 30 13:55
MinceR	i think i have at least 2 of those	Sep 30 13:55
MinceR	VIA EPIA and some Shuttle Atom-based bare-bones	Sep 30 13:56
cubexyz	I'm contacting Tyan about this now	Sep 30 13:57
msb_	That doesn't lock the consumer into using an Intel CPU. You can't use an AMD CPU on a mobo meant for Intel anyhow. It just saves the cost of a ZIF socket.	Sep 30 13:58
msb_	Actually it might _cost_ Intel money, because with a socket, the user might buy another, faster Intel CPU.	Sep 30 13:59
cubexyz	call it planned obsolescence then	Sep 30 14:00
msb_	cubexyz: Please ask Tyan if they have a user-type mobo (with audio, USB, etc) for an AMD FX-8350, with coreboot.	Sep 30 14:02
cubexyz	I will, but I can't get through their web portal at the moment :-/	Sep 30 14:02
msb_	Seems like the whole Net has slowed down the past couple of weeks.	Sep 30 14:04
cubexyz	you can get tyan motherboards with and without integrated audio	Sep 30 14:07
cubexyz	with AMD Opteron 1300 series	Sep 30 14:08
msb_	It's nice to have the standard ATX audio panel on the back (if the onboard audio chip is Linux compatible), and also nice to have lots of USB3 connections.	Sep 30 14:09
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msb_	opteron 1300s are slow -- passmark 2600. FX8350 is 8976	Sep 30 14:15
msb_	Searchable speed/price chart: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php	Sep 30 14:16
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msb_	cubexyz: Do the Tyan coreboots have binary blobs for some of the chips?	Sep 30 14:23
cubexyz	don't know	Sep 30 14:23
cubexyz	It's been a long time since I've really looked closely at tyan	Sep 30 14:24
msb_	If they do, isn't that just as bad, because Evil (from the Eighth Dimension) could be hiding in them?	Sep 30 14:24
cubexyz	it's "evil" in that you don't know what it's doing	Sep 30 14:28
cubexyz	annoying is a better word in most cases	Sep 30 14:28
cubexyz	e.g. secret protocols are annoying	Sep 30 14:29
cubexyz	it takes a lot of time figuring them out	Sep 30 14:29
cubexyz	sometimes it's not as critical... for example the VGA BIOS	Sep 30 14:30
cubexyz	I know roughly what it's doing without completely understanding it	Sep 30 14:30
cubexyz	so it's a matter of trying to understand the computer as much as possible	Sep 30 14:30
msb_	You can _see_ what that's doing.	Sep 30 14:30
cubexyz	I can't see what my ethernet card is doing unless I'm monitoring it	Sep 30 14:32
cubexyz	most of the traffic is invisible	Sep 30 14:32
cubexyz	I do have a screen just for that but it's just too much info to look at	Sep 30 14:33
cubexyz	what is the frame buffer doing? I only have a vague idea	Sep 30 14:34
msb_	Consider the disk controller BIOS. To ascertain that it's controlling the disk drives properly, would take a huge amount of work and knowledge even if you have the source code. But it probably is OK, because if it weren't it would cause errors, and they'd fix it. But if there's a secret section in there that looks for the phrase :"The King is a fink", and reports you to the govt if it finds that in a file, then you want the source	Sep 30 14:35
msb_	code.	Sep 30 14:35
cubexyz	I can't really reset the framebuffer in openbsd as yet	Sep 30 14:36
DaemonFC	A guy walks into the doctor's office. Says, "Well doc, I've got a problem with hemorrhoids. What should I use to get rid of them?" The doctor says, "Gasoline.". The patient gives the doctor a look and asks "Are you sure about that?". The doctor says, "Of course. Everyone knows you can get 500 piles a gallon!".	Sep 30 14:37
cubexyz	if the text console borks up in openbsd I have two choices	Sep 30 14:38
cubexyz	I can use a serial port login	Sep 30 14:39
cubexyz	or ssh	Sep 30 14:39
cubexyz	but I would still like to be able to reset the text console	Sep 30 14:39
cubexyz	so far, I haven't figured it out	Sep 30 14:39
msb_	"stty sane" doesn't do it?	Sep 30 14:41
cubexyz	under certain conditions the entire screen blanks out	Sep 30 14:42
cubexyz	it's still processing the keyboard though	Sep 30 14:42
msb_	stty sane can still work even if you can't see it echo	Sep 30 14:42
msb_	Of course you have to have the stty command available.	Sep 30 14:46
cubexyz	I just logined in, screen is blank and I can't see anything	Sep 30 14:47
msb_	great, try stty sane	Sep 30 14:47
cubexyz	but I am in on ttyC5, I can see it in who	Sep 30 14:47
cubexyz	doesn't work	Sep 30 14:47
msb_	rats	Sep 30 14:47
cubexyz	things are borked up at a lower level	Sep 30 14:48
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msb_	Well you have the source code. 8^) Can you run gdb?	Sep 30 14:50
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cubexyz	in linux I did figure this out	Sep 30 14:52
cubexyz	LKM framebuffer trumps the kernel frame buffer, or at least will give you a visible screen	Sep 30 14:53
cubexyz	but no LKM in openbsd of course	Sep 30 14:53
msb_	loadable ken	Sep 30 14:54
msb_	loadable kernel module?	Sep 30 14:55
cubexyz	yes	Sep 30 14:55
msb_	bsd doesn't have those???	Sep 30 14:55
MinceR	openbsd doesn't	Sep 30 14:55
MinceR	nobody used it so they removed the feature	Sep 30 14:55
MinceR	i'm told a full kernel image is 10MB anyway	Sep 30 14:56
MinceR	btw, i wonder which OS-es (if any) can swap out parts of the kernel	Sep 30 14:56
cubexyz	actually they did, but it was removed	Sep 30 14:56
cubexyz	but I never really learned how to use it	Sep 30 14:56
cubexyz	Minix has almost everything in userland but my last minix experiment did not go well	Sep 30 14:57
msb_	Do people actually use Minix?	Sep 30 14:59
cubexyz	sure, I know one person who uses it for sure :)	Sep 30 14:59
MinceR	Tanenbaum? :>	Sep 30 15:00
msb_	Yeah, the author.	Sep 30 15:00
cubexyz	I don't know if openbsd has anything like radeonfb	Sep 30 15:01
cubexyz	it must have a vesa framebuffer at least	Sep 30 15:02
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cubexyz	ok, I won't try that again	Sep 30 15:04
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cubexyz	having no openbsd peeps to talk to is slowing me down	Sep 30 16:15
MinceR	why not find an openbsd channel?	Sep 30 16:16
cubexyz	it's invite only	Sep 30 16:16
cubexyz	oh wait, I guess it's not	Sep 30 16:16
cubexyz	it's been a while since I tried	Sep 30 16:16
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cubexyz	msb_, check this out:	Sep 30 16:56
cubexyz	http://www.zdnet.com/article/researchers-find-insecure-bios-rootkit-pre-loaded-in-laptops/	Sep 30 16:56
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msb_	cubexyz: Sorry fell asleep. Wow, that is horrible! Exactly the kind of thing you are concerned about! All the owner's data deleted with a single command!	Sep 30 18:05
cubexyz	just another example of user unfriendly computers	Sep 30 18:07
cubexyz	HP, Dell, Lenovo, Toshiba, Gateway, ASUS... that covers a lot of territory	Sep 30 18:08
cubexyz	and Panasonic!	Sep 30 18:08
msb_	The article is from July 30, 2009!!! Most of the laptops made in the last SIX YEARS have this!	Sep 30 18:09
cubexyz	the article says 60% but I have no idea if that's right	Sep 30 18:10
cubexyz	it's the phone home part that worries me the most	Sep 30 18:11
cubexyz	it has to check to see if the computer is stolen periodically	Sep 30 18:11
cubexyz	but it may require windows to work, I don't know	Sep 30 18:12
cubexyz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LoJack_for_Laptops	Sep 30 18:13
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cubexyz	I have HP and Panasonic laptops	Sep 30 18:14
cubexyz	I'm concerned about being locked out of my own computer	Sep 30 18:15
msb_	The phone-home URL and other parameters are stored in the winblows registry!	Sep 30 18:20
cubexyz	right, I don't think it can phone home in Linux	Sep 30 18:20
msb_	There are probably more portable computers now than desktops.	Sep 30 18:20
MinceR	there are certainly more mobile phones than desktops and laptops together	Sep 30 18:21
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cubexyz	if it's in the bios I should be able to find it	Sep 30 18:21
cubexyz	it seems easily defeated... just boot into Linux from a CD or something	Sep 30 18:23
cubexyz	seems like it wouldn't be too effective against a tech savvy thief	Sep 30 18:24
msb_	Suppose the US govt does something really horrible like blow up an A-bomb in the US and blame it on Russia -- certainly within the realm of possibility, the US govt readily murders a million people in a single invasion. And researchers find the evidence that the US did it, and people are spreading the word on the Net. The govt can kill most of the computers that people are using to talk about this.	Sep 30 18:25
cubexyz	rpcnet.exe can be persistent on windows	Sep 30 18:26
msb_	Doesn't Linux use the BIOS when it boots?	Sep 30 18:26
cubexyz	sure	Sep 30 18:26
cubexyz	ram initialization must occur before anything else	Sep 30 18:26
cubexyz	there's a bunch of things it has to do before hitting the hard drive	Sep 30 18:27
msb_	So booting into Linux from a CD might not defeat the malware.	Sep 30 18:28
cubexyz	Lojack has two parts	Sep 30 18:28
cubexyz	part lives in the BIOS, part lives in windows	Sep 30 18:28
cubexyz	I think it needs both parts to phone home	Sep 30 18:28
msb_	It works in Macs and Androids too.	Sep 30 18:28
msb_	And by now they may have put both parts in the BIOS.	Sep 30 18:30
cubexyz	possible	Sep 30 18:30
msb_	Scan your bios for the string lojack, case insensitive.	Sep 30 18:31
cubexyz	that's a bit tricky	Sep 30 18:32
cubexyz	most BIOSes are compressed	Sep 30 18:32
cubexyz	obviously it's not in coreboot	Sep 30 18:33
cubexyz	I compiled it myself	Sep 30 18:33
msb_	Here's a C program that prints all printable characters and ignores any non-printable ones:	Sep 30 18:33
msb_	#include <stdio.h>	Sep 30 18:35
msb_	#include <stdlib.h>	Sep 30 18:35
msb_	int main(void)	Sep 30 18:35
msb_	{	Sep 30 18:35
msb_	int ch;	Sep 30 18:35
msb_	while(1)	Sep 30 18:35
msb_	{	Sep 30 18:35
msb_	if ((ch = fgetc(stdin)) == EOF)	Sep 30 18:35
msb_	exit(0);	Sep 30 18:35
msb_	else	Sep 30 18:35
msb_	if (ch >= ' ' && ch < 127)	Sep 30 18:35
msb_	printf("%c", ch);	Sep 30 18:35
msb_	}	Sep 30 18:35
msb_	}	Sep 30 18:35
msb_	So run that on the bios and then grep -i the output for lojack. Their vanity may have led them to put it in there in the clear.	Sep 30 18:37
msb_	That'	Sep 30 18:39
cubexyz	hmmm, it looks like you have to pay an extra $125 to get Lojack on Panasonic Toughbook	Sep 30 18:40
msb_	That's an extremely sophisticated program that I wrote for analyzing konsole temp files, which have about 10 non-printables between every text character.	Sep 30 18:40
cubexyz	what's the non-printable characters for?	Sep 30 18:40
msb_	I didn't try to find out. Formatting, I guess.	Sep 30 18:41
msb_	Remember how on some IBM mainframes you'd pay them half a million dollars for a speed increase and a tech would come in and just move a jumper? The whole lojack may be in there, and they may just change a byte when you pay the $125.	Sep 30 18:43
msb_	Much easier for inventory tracking.	Sep 30 18:43
cubexyz	AMI might ship the BIOS to the OEM then the OEM would add the lojack part	Sep 30 18:44
cubexyz	then it wouldn't turn up in the source	Sep 30 18:44
msb_	What's the diff? We don't get to see the AMI source anyhow.	Sep 30 18:45
cubexyz	ha	Sep 30 18:45
cubexyz	it's around	Sep 30 18:45
cubexyz	the Russians even have it on the web	Sep 30 18:46
msb_	No matter how paranoid you are, you're not paranoid enough. Tell the truth. Reach as many people as you can with it -- that's your weapon.	Sep 30 18:48
msb_	-- Susanne Modeski, "Unusual Suspects", _X-Files_	Sep 30 18:48
msb_	I guess XRevan86 is right to be worried about spyware in the BIOS. He likes systemd but I'll bet it'll be in there too if it isn't already. "Paranoia is just a form of heightened awareness."	Sep 30 18:53
msb_	Our whole mainstream culture is built around the insectoid psychopath channel in the human mind -- the religions, the economic system, the government, the educational system, the commercial media.	Sep 30 18:56
cubexyz	he's right... it's there sometimes	Sep 30 18:57
MinceR	i wouldn't blame insects for thos	Sep 30 18:57
MinceR	s/hos/his/	Sep 30 18:57
cubexyz	lojack is in the BIOS some of the time	Sep 30 18:57
MinceR	i think all the blame lies on humans	Sep 30 18:57
msb_	The US govt blows up the tallest buildings in New York and blames it on Arabs, so it can murder millions of them. The US govt has its Ukrainian Nazi proxies shoot down an airliner with 300 people on board and blames Russia.	Sep 30 18:58
msb_	MinceR: I'm not blaming insects, I'm saying that the psychopath channel in the human brain is like insectoids in scifi -- no feelings, no empathy.	Sep 30 18:59
MinceR	http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37580-2004Jul8.html	Sep 30 18:59
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MinceR	feelings are not necessarily good	Sep 30 19:00
MinceR	there's plenty of feeling in religious hatred	Sep 30 19:00
msb_	I meant positive feelings.	Sep 30 19:01
schestowitz	[13:04] <MinceR> religion poisons everything >> http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/next-door-to-delhi-mob-kills-50-year-old-injures-son-over-rumours-they-ate-beef/	Sep 30 19:01
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schestowitz	"Pro-life" (of cows)	Sep 30 19:01
msb_	Except Wicca religion is a good thing.	Sep 30 19:01
cubexyz	the NSA uses SMM (System Management Mode) to hack in	Sep 30 19:03
msb_	cubexyz: " lojack is in the BIOS some of the time". Did you find it in there?	Sep 30 19:03
cubexyz	haven't found it but I don't have all the BIOSes	Sep 30 19:04
msb_	Do you have a laptop made in the last six years?	Sep 30 19:04
cubexyz	just going by what panasonic has on their toughbook web page	Sep 30 19:04
cubexyz	yes, but it's an Acer	Sep 30 19:04
cubexyz	the other new one is a chromebook, probably it's OK	Sep 30 19:05
msb_	Well, check the Acer.	Sep 30 19:05
cubexyz	SMM is in Cedar Trail... so there's no question about it	Sep 30 19:06
msb_	Please	Sep 30 19:06
msb_	Do AMD CPUs have SMM?	Sep 30 19:06
cubexyz	yes, SMM has been around for a long time	Sep 30 19:07
cubexyz	it's also been called ring -2	Sep 30 19:09
cubexyz	normal execution of the operating system is suspended and special software is executed with high privileges	Sep 30 19:09
cubexyz	AMD copied SMM from Intel	Sep 30 19:10
cubexyz	some of it is innocuous	Sep 30 19:11
cubexyz	turning on fans etc	Sep 30 19:11
cubexyz	coreboot has an open source SMM handler	Sep 30 19:12
cubexyz	so you can check out exactly what it does	Sep 30 19:12
cubexyz	there's some pretty funky stuff it can do	Sep 30 19:14
cubexyz	flash write protected?	Sep 30 19:14
cubexyz	no problem, SMM can un-write protect it	Sep 30 19:14
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cubexyz	basically SMM has the most privileged CPU mode	Sep 30 19:16
cubexyz	ok, here's the kicker....	Sep 30 19:16
cubexyz	there's System Management RAM (SMRAM)	Sep 30 19:17
cubexyz	operating system can't read it	Sep 30 19:17
cubexyz	only SMM can	Sep 30 19:17
cubexyz	still think you own your computer? :)	Sep 30 19:18
cubexyz	ask the vendor about it .... they'll tell you next to nothing	Sep 30 19:19
msb_	Oops, grep does not find particular strings in a stream of characters. Or it returns the whole stream if it does and its memory isn't exceeded.	Sep 30 19:21
cubexyz	stuff like DEITYBOUNCE is used by the NSA to install malicious SMI handlers	Sep 30 19:25
cubexyz	they can't hack everything of course	Sep 30 19:26
cubexyz	too many different BIOSes	Sep 30 19:26
cubexyz	but they are clever	Sep 30 19:26
cubexyz	I hear they use the PCI expansion ROM to hide code	Sep 30 19:27
cubexyz	with windows it's totally hopeless, the NSA can get in	Sep 30 19:30
cubexyz	for all I know Microsoft borks windows up on purpose to help sell more computers	Sep 30 19:31
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/nsa-ant-catalog.pdf	Sep 30 19:40
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/your-move-nsa.jpg	Sep 30 19:44
cubexyz	declassify on 2032... thanks NSA!	Sep 30 19:46
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Sosumi	lol	Sep 30 19:59
Sosumi	http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/09/nerves-rattled-by-highly-suspicious-windows-update-delivered-worldwide/	Sep 30 19:59
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XRevan86	> MacBook + OS X	Sep 30 19:59
XRevan86	> Your move, NSA	Sep 30 19:59
XRevan86	right	Sep 30 19:59
Sosumi	that is why auto-update without description are a major no no	Sep 30 19:59
cubexyz	totally protected!	Sep 30 19:59
cubexyz	computers are really a mess these days	Sep 30 20:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation Study: Open Source	Sep 30 20:33
TweetTuxMachines	Collaborative Code is Worth $5B	Sep 30 20:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android now has 1.4bn active users, 300m on	Sep 30 20:33
TweetTuxMachines	Lollipop http://t.co/isLt19J3bd	Sep 30 20:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google’s Marshmallow Treats Now on Tap	Sep 30 20:34
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msb_	Windows update? Same thing with systemd. Poettering puts out a source code blob update that works normally, but has an NSA backdoor cleverly hidden in it. How many distro admins are going to read through all of that source code and figure out that with a particular stack overflow some binary code gets executed?	Sep 30 20:42
msb_	Lennix users won't have a clue until the NSA sends through some malware that hits their SMM and bricks their computer.	Sep 30 20:43
msb_	All Windows computers are knocked out much more easily.	Sep 30 20:45
msb_	And then we'll have only corporate TV and radio to find out what's going on in the world. The same ones that are lying through their teeth 24 hours a day right now.	Sep 30 20:48
msb_	"Yes it was Russia that blew up that A-bomb inside the US, just like it was a Russian missile that shot down MH-17."	Sep 30 20:50
msb_	"And just like it was Arabs that knocked down the World Trade Center. The Great Democratic United States must kill them all! For Democracy!"	Sep 30 20:53
msb_	And then the Earth takes its place in the Fermi Paradox.	Sep 30 20:55
msb_	OMG, I'm channeling MinceR!	Sep 30 20:56
Sosumi	msb_, give it a break	Sep 30 20:56
msb_	Sosumi: Sure Sosumi, the sudden revelation that most of the computers in the world can be bricked by the US government isn't worthy of logical speculation about what could happen. Nope. No reality allowed here.	Sep 30 21:00
msb_	Keep it simple. swpats are bad. That's it. Shut up.]	Sep 30 21:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Calculate Linux 15 released	Sep 30 21:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora vs. openSUSE vs. Manjaro vs. Debian vs.	Sep 30 21:22
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu vs. Mint Linux Benchmarks	Sep 30 21:22
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MinceR	https://archive.is/O43oo	Sep 30 21:39
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schestowitz	msb_: how the ******** did you move from discussing Windows Update to Russia, Ukraine, and US?	Sep 30 22:20
schestowitz	try to keep the topic on tech	Sep 30 22:20
schestowitz	(at least in this channel)	Sep 30 22:21
msb_	schestowitz: It was simple extrapolation from the US govt's ability to brick almost every computer in existence, which we learned today that it has, to what it might do with that ability, given its actions since 2001. People benefit from thinking about the future. It empowers them.	Sep 30 22:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME 3.18 lands with Google Drive, integrated	Sep 30 23:10
TweetTuxMachines	Linux firmware updates, new apps	Sep 30 23:10
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cubexyz	it's good to be aware of things like lojack and bios firmware attacks	Sep 30 23:19
cubexyz	UEFI is even easier to attack than the old BIOS	Sep 30 23:26
cubexyz	easier for attackers to target the new UEFI rather than the old BIOS	Sep 30 23:27
cubexyz	more code sharing and reuse with UEFI	Sep 30 23:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Learning Linux - Lesson Two: How a GNU/Linux OS	Sep 30 23:30
TweetTuxMachines	Works http://t.co/9seRLvGArI	Sep 30 23:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux AIO Team Releases an All-in-One ISO Image	Sep 30 23:30
TweetTuxMachines	for Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS http://t.co/aE06194AnD	Sep 30 23:30
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schestowitz	Some AD fixes are mentioned in:	Sep 30 23:41
schestowitz	https://www.samba.org/samba/history/samba-4.3.0.html	Sep 30 23:41
schestowitz	Upgrade is possible directly from any 4.* branch:	Sep 30 23:41
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schestowitz	http://www.spinics.net/lists/samba/msg128390.html	Sep 30 23:41
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schestowitz	http://www.spinics.net/lists/samba/msg128364.html	Sep 30 23:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.spinics.net \| SAMBA — Samba Upgrade question: moving from 4.1 to 4.3 [ http://ur1.ca/nw0mv ]		Sep 30 23:41
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cubexyz	I've a test that should work on most systems to see if your BIOS has been tampered with	Sep 30 23:51
cubexyz	you'll need the coreboot program nvramtool	Sep 30 23:52
cubexyz	first dump your bios:	Sep 30 23:52
cubexyz	sudo nvramtool -b bios.rom	Sep 30 23:52
cubexyz	then	Sep 30 23:52
cubexyz	md5sum bios.rom	Sep 30 23:52
cubexyz	write down the number and file it	Sep 30 23:52
schestowitz	"The Knowledge Consistency Checker (KCC) maintains a replication graph for DCs across an AD network. The existing Samba KCC uses a fully connected graph, so that each DC replicates from all the others, which does not scale well with large networks." https://www.samba.org/samba/history/samba-4.3.0.html	Sep 30 23:55
msb_	cubexyz: That will only tell if the BIOS gets tampered with in the future, not if it has already been, right?	Oct 01 00:26
cubexyz	you could download the bios file from the vendor and compare them	Oct 01 00:27
gde33\|2	I hardly ever botherd browsing the .onion web but now that the "real" web is soh fucking bad I'm totally amazed by it...	Oct 01 00:28
gde33\|2	there is like html documents with text on them	Oct 01 00:28
gde33\|2	and search that finds stuff	Oct 01 00:28
msb_	gde33\|2: I don't understand what you're saying. How do I find the .onion web? There are billions of documents with text on them in the regular Web, and google finds the easily.	Oct 01 00:35
gde33\|2	the normal web has 20 mb pages with like 5 kb text	Oct 01 00:36
gde33\|2	crufty advertisement all over	Oct 01 00:36
gde33\|2	everything is profit oriented	Oct 01 00:36
cubexyz	that is true	Oct 01 00:36
gde33\|2	I mean TOR .onion	Oct 01 00:36
gde33\|2	reading http://zqktlwi4fecvo6ri.onion/wiki/The_Matrix	Oct 01 00:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Couldn't resolve host 'zqktlwi4fecvo6ri.onion' ( status 0 @ http://zqktlwi4fecvo6ri.onion/wiki/The_Matrix )		Oct 01 00:37
gde33\|2	its lovely	Oct 01 00:37
gde33\|2	works like this too https://zqktlwi4fecvo6ri.onion.cab/wiki/The_Matrix	Oct 01 00:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Couldn't resolve host 'zqktlwi4fecvo6ri.onion.cab' ( status 0 @ https://zqktlwi4fecvo6ri.onion.cab/wiki/The_Matrix )		Oct 01 00:38
gde33\|2	humm bot shoud be able to resolve that?	Oct 01 00:38
gde33\|2	https://piratebrowser.com/	Oct 01 00:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://piratebrowser.com/ )		Oct 01 00:39
msb_	I use Adblock Plus and never see ads.	Oct 01 00:41
gde33\|2	msb_: think of it like in the difference between windos and linux users MS has all the trolls	Oct 01 00:43
gde33\|2	its just different	Oct 01 00:43
msb_	gde33\|2: I don't know what you mean.	Oct 01 00:44
gde33\|2	each topic, each product, it all attracts a specific kind of people	Oct 01 00:44
gde33\|2	like the people in ##capitalism are very different from those here	Oct 01 00:44
gde33\|2	you use to be able to see it better in the traffic statistics, MS has all the trolls	Oct 01 00:45
gde33\|2	hardly any troll who wasnt using IE	Oct 01 00:46
cubexyz	ha	Oct 01 00:46
gde33\|2	they also have the unwashed gamer community	Oct 01 00:46
cubexyz	you're only looking at the worst	Oct 01 00:46
msb_	gde33\|2: That onion page on the Matrix is anti-socialist.	Oct 01 00:47
gde33\|2	its just an opinion	Oct 01 00:47
gde33\|2	I read all kinds	Oct 01 00:48
cubexyz	msb_, I monitor certain files too	Oct 01 00:48
cubexyz	bash for one	Oct 01 00:48
msb_	Yes, it claims that capitalism is best, whereas capitalism leads to control of governments, media, and everything else by the wealthy so they can get richer. So it is a very harmful opinion.	Oct 01 00:48
gde33\|2	I cant blame people for the limited view society allows them to have, I'm happy if they just bother to think about stuff	Oct 01 00:49
msb_	So is the famous "dark web" we hear about just a bunch of websites without pictures, run by libertarian/objectivist assholes?	Oct 01 00:51
gde33\|2	haha no	Oct 01 00:51
gde33\|2	but I'm sure you will find those there	Oct 01 00:51
msb_	Then what in there is good?	Oct 01 00:51
gde33\|2	torrent sites are cool	Oct 01 00:52
cubexyz	dark web is probably a bit like torrents	Oct 01 00:52
cubexyz	hidden stuff (sort of)	Oct 01 00:52
gde33\|2	fuck you hosting is good	Oct 01 00:52
gde33\|2	free hosting + real onion domain	Oct 01 00:52
gde33\|2	with php wp and wiki etc	Oct 01 00:53
msb_	and certainly not run by the CIA	Oct 01 00:53
cubexyz	I'm my own host	Oct 01 00:53
msb_	A good friend of mine is my web host, and if my site goes down I'll just put it up somewhere else. On my home computer if need be.	Oct 01 00:55
msb_	gde33\|2: would you please show me something on the dark web that isn't on the wwweb?	Oct 01 00:58
msb_	Something good.	Oct 01 00:58
gde33\|2	http://answerstedhctbek.onion/	Oct 01 01:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Couldn't resolve host 'answerstedhctbek.onion' ( status 0 @ http://answerstedhctbek.onion/ )		Oct 01 01:00
*cubexyz is now known as cubezzz		Oct 01 01:01
msb_	Look at these two sites for example. They have great stuff. http://www.globalresearch.ca/ http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/	Oct 01 01:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca \| Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization		Oct 01 01:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.paulcraigroberts.org \| Paul Craig Roberts - Official Homepage		Oct 01 01:02
cubezzz	:q!	Oct 01 01:03
cubezzz	oops	Oct 01 01:03
*cubezzz is now known as cubexyz		Oct 01 01:03
msb_	gde33\|2: I get server not found	Oct 01 01:03
msb_	Looks like the bot does too.	Oct 01 01:04
*cubexyz is now known as cubezzz		Oct 01 01:04
msb_	cubexyz: can you see that onion site?	Oct 01 01:04
gde33\|2	msb_: it isnt on the normal web	Oct 01 01:04
msb_	So how do I access it?	Oct 01 01:04
gde33\|2	with either an onion browser or a proxi like tor2web	Oct 01 01:05
gde33\|2	like http://answerstedhctbek.onion.cab	Oct 01 01:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-answerstedhctbek.onion.cab \| Hidden Answers		Oct 01 01:05
gde33\|2	or http://deepdot35wvmeyd5.onion.cab	Oct 01 01:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 500 @ https://deepdot35wvmeyd5.onion.cab/ )		Oct 01 01:05
gde33\|2	here .cab is the tld rather than .onion	Oct 01 01:05
gde33\|2	I think things are not nesasarly accessable from a normal browser	Oct 01 01:06
gde33\|2	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.onion	Oct 01 01:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| .onion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Oct 01 01:06
gde33\|2	.onion is a special-use top level domain suffix designating an anonymous hidden service reachable via the Tor network. Such addresses are not actual DNS names, and the .onion TLD is not in the Internet DNS root, but with the appropriate proxy software installed, Internet programs such as web browsers can access sites with .onion addresses by sending the request through the network of Tor servers.	Oct 01 01:07
cubezzz	MinceR, which nicks have ops?	Oct 01 01:08
cubezzz	I can't remember	Oct 01 01:08
cubezzz	oh well he's probably asleep	Oct 01 01:09
cubezzz	if any remembers pm me	Oct 01 01:09
*cubezzz is now known as cubexyz		Oct 01 01:11
*cubexyz is now known as cubezzz		Oct 01 01:13
msb_	The "answers" page is interesting. One person wants "snuff" material. I'm surprised they're not asking for "kiddy porn".	Oct 01 01:18
*TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi favourited 'Learning Linux - Lesson Two: How a GNU/Linux...'		Oct 01 01:18
TweetTuxMachines	@RamiSilawi @tuxmachines Thanks for sharing that. You're	Oct 01 01:19
TweetTuxMachines	featured on my @RebelMouse	Oct 01 01:19
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Gb6V1dQPAF (www.rebelmouse.com)	Oct 01 01:19
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw1bp	Oct 01 01:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rebelmouse.com \| RamiSilawi		Oct 01 01:19
gde33\|2	msb_: that will get you banned on most sites, it is self policing	Oct 01 01:19
gde33\|2	just like piratebay has a huge team of mods deleting kiddy porn and gore all day	Oct 01 01:19
msb_	Well I have it on my site: http://cosmicpenguin.com/images/KittyPorn.jpg	Oct 01 01:21
gde33\|2	haha	Oct 01 01:24
gde33\|2	msb_: here specially for you I've created something awesome on the .onion thingy http://zqktlwi4fecvo6ri.onion.cab/wiki/Monetize_parenthood	Oct 01 01:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-zqktlwi4fecvo6ri.onion.cab \| NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/nw1d8 ]		Oct 01 01:24
*TweetTuxMachines @TechCraiz favourited 'Unity Linux Experimental Build now available, Supports Tizen...'		Oct 01 01:29
gde33\|2	msb_: great idea no?	Oct 01 01:30
msb_	What does "escrow" mean on the drug sites?	Oct 01 01:30
msb_	Not that I'd buy anything from someone anonymous. I live in california and can get medical cannabis delivered to my door!	Oct 01 01:32
gde33\|2	An escrow is something of value such as your earnest money check, or documents such as your purchase and sales agreement, that are given to an impartial third party to hold until specific conditions are met. When everything is finished — everybody paid and the deed recorded with the county, the escrow will close.	Oct 01 01:33
gde33\|2	if the drugs are no good they dont get money	Oct 01 01:34
gde33\|2	I like your questions tho, many ask those but the people behind the service (rather than the services onthere) are quite sophisticated	Oct 01 01:35
gde33\|2	https://www.ted.com/talks/jamie_bartlett_how_the_mysterious_dark_net_is_going_mainstream?language=en	Oct 01 01:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ted.com \| Jamie Bartlett: How the mysterious dark net is going mainstream \| TED Talk \| TED.com [ http://ur1.ca/nw1g2 ]		Oct 01 01:36
*cubezzz is now known as cubexyz		Oct 01 01:38
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gde33\|2	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va07q3HFEZQ	Oct 01 01:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| The dark web \| Alan Pearce \| TEDxBrighton - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nw1hl ]		Oct 01 01:41
msb_	BTW, there's a new TV series Limitless based on the excellent movie. You get a contact brain high by watching it! And it features Jennifer Carpenter who is very beautiful with big slanted eyes like a cat. Two episodes so far.	Oct 01 01:44
MinceR	cubexyz: /chanserv access #techrights list	Oct 01 01:45
MinceR	speaking of cat eyes, http://i.imgur.com/5dC0UdD.gifv	Oct 01 01:45
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*cubexyz is now known as cubezzz		Oct 01 01:45
msb_	MinceR: Nice!	Oct 01 01:47
cubezzz	MinceR, I have a bit of a problem	Oct 01 01:47
cubezzz	I can't remember my password	Oct 01 01:47
MinceR	cubezzz: do you have access to the email account you registered with, if any?	Oct 01 01:48
gde33\|2	for freenode?	Oct 01 01:48
MinceR	if so, see /nickserv help sendpass	Oct 01 01:48
gde33\|2	:)	Oct 01 01:48
MinceR	access listing doesn't need being identified though	Oct 01 01:48
MinceR	on freenode	Oct 01 01:48
MinceR	usually anyway	Oct 01 01:48
MinceR	(or being on the access list)	Oct 01 01:48
msb_	I love this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uDX_LA8qgE	Oct 01 01:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Killer Vampire Cats - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/hbik3 ]		Oct 01 01:49
cubezzz	it says I have a password change key outstanding	Oct 01 01:49
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/toxicleaders/status/649385224317607936	Oct 01 01:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@toxicleaders: @schestowitz US Military Justice system is in urgent need of reform: https://t.co/CZXJPNsPUx		Oct 01 01:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> medium.com \| US Military Justice system is in urgent need of reform — Medium		Oct 01 01:49
MinceR	cubezzz: check your email	Oct 01 01:50
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msb_	As usual with youtube it misses most of the video. You have to download it and view the file.	Oct 01 01:52
cubezzz	MinceR, I know this is a pain but I don't see it	Oct 01 01:52
cubezzz	not sure which email address I used	Oct 01 01:52
*cubezzz is now known as cubexyz		Oct 01 01:53
*cubexyz is now known as cubezzz		Oct 01 01:55
cubezzz	ok	Oct 01 02:11
*cubezzz is now known as cubexyz		Oct 01 02:11
cubexyz	schestowitz, if you could change the op thing to cubexyz instead of cubezzz please	Oct 01 02:11
cubexyz	it seems I'm locked out of that nick	Oct 01 02:12
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gde33\|2	cubexyz: how do we know it is really you? trololol	Oct 01 03:34
msb_	Suggest to him that the important thing in choosing a computer is the MIPS speed, and it doesn't matter what kind of BIOS it has. Then stand well back.	Oct 01 03:40
MinceR	lol	Oct 01 03:41
msb_	MinceR: Did you download and watch that Vampire Cat video?	Oct 01 03:46
MinceR	yes and no :>	Oct 01 03:47
*TweetTuxMachines @TechCraiz favourited 'Lubuntu 15.10 Beta 1 Still Doesn't Use LXQt,...'		Oct 01 04:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Industrial touch-panel runs Linux or Android on	Oct 01 04:07
TweetTuxMachines	i.MX6 http://t.co/Ty45MqLCMd	Oct 01 04:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 01 04:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/649420210408001537	Oct 01 04:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Industrial touch-panel runs Linux or Android on i.MX6 \| Tux Machines		Oct 01 04:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 24 Linux Operating System to Switch to	Oct 01 04:33
TweetTuxMachines	Python 3.5 by Default http://t.co/ujEgX2qN93	Oct 01 04:33
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 01 04:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Fedora 24 Linux Operating System to Switch to Python 3.5 by Default \| Tux Machines		Oct 01 04:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw2lx	Oct 01 04:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NixOS 15.09 Unique Distribution Released with	Oct 01 04:33
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Kernel 3.18 and GCC 4.9	Oct 01 04:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Xd4HoSUlzP (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 01 04:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw2ly	Oct 01 04:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| NixOS 15.09 Unique Distribution Released with Linux Kernel 3.18 and GCC 4.9 \| Tux Machines		Oct 01 04:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Type of Documentation Open Source Needs	Oct 01 04:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/VQdQxmrCWv (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 01 04:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw2lz	Oct 01 04:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Type of Documentation Open Source Needs \| Tux Machines		Oct 01 04:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Industrial touch-panel runs Linux or Android on	Oct 01 07:35
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by i.MX6 http://t.co/Ty45MqLCMd	Oct 01 07:35
TweetTuxMachines	@retroDoomer (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 01 07:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw3qi	Oct 01 07:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines PlayOnLinux Review - Playing Windows Games Was	Oct 01 07:54
TweetTuxMachines	Never Easier http://t.co/N4ad4pxabi	Oct 01 07:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.softpedia.com \| PlayOnLinux Review - Playing Windows Games Was Never Easier - Softpedia		Oct 01 07:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.softpedia.com)	Oct 01 07:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw3tw	Oct 01 07:54
*TweetTuxMachines @linuxaio favourited 'Linux AIO Team Releases an All-in-One ISO Image...'		Oct 01 07:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NVIDIA SHIELD Android TV OTA Update Improves	Oct 01 08:02
TweetTuxMachines	HTPC Credentials http://t.co/UNRSUbwpzB	Oct 01 08:03
TweetTuxMachines	(www.anandtech.com)	Oct 01 08:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.anandtech.com \| NVIDIA SHIELD Android TV OTA Update Improves HTPC Credentials		Oct 01 08:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw3vu	Oct 01 08:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 Might Get Linux Kernel 4.2.2	Oct 01 08:03
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/BOLLCZlyuk (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 01 08:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu 15.10 Might Get Linux Kernel 4.2.2 - Softpedia		Oct 01 08:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw3vv	Oct 01 08:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is Google's future in television in Chromecast,	Oct 01 08:03
TweetTuxMachines	or is it in Android TVs?	Oct 01 08:03
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/HbZWNhW3aj (www.theverge.com)	Oct 01 08:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw3vw	Oct 01 08:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com \| Is Google's future in television in Chromecast, or is it in Android TVs? \| The Verge		Oct 01 08:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android now has 1.4bn active users, 300m on	Oct 01 08:07
TweetTuxMachines	Lollipop http://t.co/eLcyAdgPZz (www.zdnet.com)	Oct 01 08:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Android now has 1.4bn active users, 300m on Lollipop \| ZDNet		Oct 01 08:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw3xc	Oct 01 08:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google’s Marshmallow Treats Now on Tap	Oct 01 08:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/t3qjJe49dv (www.linux.com)	Oct 01 08:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw3xd	Oct 01 08:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com \| Google’s Marshmallow Treats Now on Tap \| Linux.com		Oct 01 08:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Calculate Linux 15 released	Oct 01 08:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/A7ZjsNKUxv	Oct 01 08:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.calculate-linux.org)	Oct 01 08:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw3xe	Oct 01 08:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.calculate-linux.org \| Calculate Linux 15 released - Планета Calculate		Oct 01 08:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora vs. openSUSE vs. Manjaro vs. Debian vs.	Oct 01 08:13
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu vs. Mint Linux Benchmarks	Oct 01 08:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jmw4leJC84 (www.phoronix.com)	Oct 01 08:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw3z2	Oct 01 08:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Fedora vs. openSUSE vs. Manjaro vs. Debian vs. Ubuntu vs. Mint Linux Benchmarks - Phoronix		Oct 01 08:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME 3.18 lands with Google Drive, integrated	Oct 01 08:13
TweetTuxMachines	Linux firmware updates, new apps	Oct 01 08:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/hIqXER8GlA (www.pcworld.com)	Oct 01 08:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com \| GNOME 3.18 lands with Google Drive, integrated Linux firmware updates, new apps \| PCWorld		Oct 01 08:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw3z4	Oct 01 08:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Learning Linux - Lesson Two: How a GNU/Linux OS	Oct 01 08:13
TweetTuxMachines	Works http://t.co/S2RUa8hB2I	Oct 01 08:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Learning Linux - Lesson Two: How a GNU/Linux OS Works - Softpedia		Oct 01 08:13
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Oct 01 08:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw3z5	Oct 01 08:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux AIO Team Releases an All-in-One ISO Image	Oct 01 08:13
TweetTuxMachines	for Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS http://t.co/IMQPR8eva3	Oct 01 08:13
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Oct 01 08:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Linux AIO Team Releases an All-in-One ISO Image for Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS - Softpedia		Oct 01 08:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw3z6	Oct 01 08:13
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/649484630089793540	Oct 01 08:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz initial load time is stupidly high even on an i7. But pretty quick after that. I use a custom i3 wm setup now, blazingly quick		Oct 01 08:27
schestowitz	Yes, with all that #systemd startup speed hype (quick up to login), the overall startup time is very poor in KF5. Performance poor.	Oct 01 08:28
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/649487246949675008	Oct 01 08:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz Jesus dude. Drop the systemd hate already. KDE startup is completely separate to systemd. So stop taking ever op to hate on it		Oct 01 08:35
schestowitz	the processes are children of systemd	Oct 01 08:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/649488519971258368	Oct 01 08:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz fuck sakes "bro", get the hell over it. KDE load time is down to KDE, not how fast systemd can load. Even XFCE4 can load slowly		Oct 01 08:40
schestowitz	I need to do some proper profiling (if next release is this slow too) and find the culprits...	Oct 01 08:40
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/649489912371146753	Oct 01 08:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz good plan. But don't do so just to find justification to dump all over systemd. It's tiring, and we're better than that.		Oct 01 08:50
schestowitz	There are legitimate questions and doubt over systemd	Oct 01 08:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Industrial touch-panel runs Linux or Android on	Oct 01 09:02
TweetTuxMachines	i.MX6 http://t.co/4Dfqzheb60 (linuxgizmos.com)	Oct 01 09:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 24 Linux Operating System to Switch to	Oct 01 09:02
TweetTuxMachines	Python 3.5 by Default http://t.co/j6Z9ySGjCU	Oct 01 09:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NixOS 15.09 Unique Distribution Released with	Oct 01 09:02
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Kernel 3.18 and GCC 4.9	Oct 01 09:02
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/649495247764873216	Oct 01 09:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz the only issue people seem to have is Lennart, and change.		Oct 01 09:30
*TweetTuxMachines @LibreCrypt favourited 'How To Install & Use TrueCrypt In Ubuntu...'		Oct 01 09:48
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MRtechlaw/status/649504480669663232	Oct 01 09:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MRtechlaw: @schestowitz Patent lawyers are sceptical about the #UPC - will it work and provide value for money? But it's happening politically anyway..		Oct 01 09:52
schestowitz	Money is not the main consideration here.	Oct 01 09:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Taurinus X200: Now the most 'Free Software'	Oct 01 09:52
TweetTuxMachines	laptop on the planet http://t.co/4EZO8sZFaB	Oct 01 09:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LG announces the first Android Wear smartwatch	Oct 01 09:52
TweetTuxMachines	with LTE http://t.co/GUVB0T64RH	Oct 01 09:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theverge.com)	Oct 01 09:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com \| LG announces the first Android Wear smartwatch with LTE \| The Verge		Oct 01 09:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why IBM thinks Linux, Spark are disruptive	Oct 01 09:53
TweetTuxMachines	technologies http://t.co/r0XzK1e5Fp	Oct 01 09:53
TweetTuxMachines	(siliconangle.com)	Oct 01 09:53
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/649493643385012224	Oct 01 09:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz There are no @EPOorg scandals. Scandal is scandal because public generally care.		Oct 01 09:53
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*TweetTuxMachines @JohnitoMusic favourited 'Taurinus X200: Now the most 'Free Software' laptop...'		Oct 01 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LG announces the first Android Wear smartwatch	Oct 01 10:00
TweetTuxMachines	with LTE http://t.co/Ut0VbOEEEo	Oct 01 10:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why IBM thinks Linux, Spark are disruptive	Oct 01 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	technologies http://t.co/nEZ9iGO5RJ	Oct 01 11:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Why IBM thinks Linux, Spark are disruptive technologies \| Tux Machines		Oct 01 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Using Docker Compose to define RancherOS System	Oct 01 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	Services http://t.co/pMPWPoZRq2	Oct 01 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 01 11:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Using Docker Compose to define RancherOS System Services \| Tux Machines		Oct 01 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Transparency with Open Source	Oct 01 11:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-7 to Get Another Unity 8	Oct 01 11:42
TweetTuxMachines	Update, Receives Qt 5 Fixes, More	Oct 01 11:42
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/RKsVBMtjYf (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 01 11:42
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Touch OTA-7 to Get Another Unity 8 Update, Receives Qt 5 Fixes, More \| Tux Machines		Oct 01 11:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mozilla Releases Firefox 41.0.1 Hotfix to Patch	Oct 01 11:42
TweetTuxMachines	Five Critical Issues, Users Urged to Update Now	Oct 01 11:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NixOS 15.09 Released: Ships Updated Desktops,	Oct 01 11:42
TweetTuxMachines	Linux 3.18 Kernel http://t.co/3HcF7TkdR8	Oct 01 11:42
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 01 11:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines XOR DDoS Malware for Linux Attacks Have Been	Oct 01 11:43
TweetTuxMachines	Greatly Exaggerated http://t.co/p0wkYHY828	Oct 01 11:43
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 01 11:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| XOR DDoS Malware for Linux Attacks Have Been Greatly Exaggerated \| Tux Machines		Oct 01 11:43
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msb_	"Nuclear Fusion is the energy source of the Future, and it always will be!"	Oct 01 12:00
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6652789	Oct 01 12:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: What #apple did to #linux with #patents same as #patent trolling http://uk.businessinsider.com/ruling-gives-apple-legal-edge-that-might-force-samsung-to-change-its-products-2015-9?r=US&IR=T http://www.engadget.com/2015/09/17/apple -patent-victory-puts-samsung-devices-in-jeopardy/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/samsung-ruling-strengthens-apples-efforts-to-protect-patents/2015/09/17/54bcda3e-5d55-1		Oct 01 12:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> uk.businessinsider.com \| Ruling gives Apple edge over Samsung - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/nw5ja ]		Oct 01 12:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.engadget.com \| Engadget \| Technology News, Advice and Features		Oct 01 12:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.washingtonpost.com \| Samsung ruling strengthens Apple’s efforts to protect patents - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/nw5jc ]		Oct 01 12:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The 'Microsoft Loves Linux' Baloney is Still	Oct 01 12:31
TweetTuxMachines	Being Floated in the Media While Microsoft	Oct 01 12:31
TweetTuxMachines	Attacks Linux With Patent...	Oct 01 12:31
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/CKKTp4pdtm (joindiaspora.com)	Oct 01 12:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joindiaspora.com \| The 'Microsoft Loves Linux' Baloney is Still Being Floated in the M...		Oct 01 12:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today and Yesterday in Techrights	Oct 01 12:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/fUrIQYWqqT (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 01 12:31
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/649547962205499392	Oct 01 12:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz What about the patent truce MS signed with Google ???		Oct 01 12:36
schestowitz	Nonsense 'pact'; it attacks by proxy	Oct 01 12:36
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/649548194775494660	Oct 01 12:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: RT @schestowitz: #BlackDuck Continues to Pile #FUD on Free/Libre Software http://t.co/iHFA78cbZa one example of many http://t.co/uXkEJh4kyj		Oct 01 12:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Black Duck Continues to Pile FUD on Free/Libre Software \| Techrights		Oct 01 12:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Black Duck - Techrights		Oct 01 12:37
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/649548490083844096	Oct 01 12:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz Seems when they find a hair in Linux security, they go all Chicken Little... Oh, boy.		Oct 01 12:37
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/649547803157524480	Oct 01 12:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: RT @schestowitz: Winners at #war never the participants https://t.co/knx8xfy2ED		Oct 01 12:38
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/649548945002209280	Oct 01 12:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz My take: MS won't fight Goog, which can defend and attack. But will bully small firms (Tom Tom, B&N) and keep the racketeering		Oct 01 12:40
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AlexArchambault/status/649552767053377536	Oct 01 12:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AlexArchambault: De l'art de bien anticiper ce qui va devenir la règle avec iOS10 & suivants #https https://t.co/KZSm2WKwj3		Oct 01 12:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #mozilla publishes #firefox and #thunderbird bugfix releases ttp://linux.softpedia.com/blog/mozilla-releases-fire... https://t.co/rinvGTWv39		Oct 01 12:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NixOS 15.09 Released: Ships Updated Desktops,	Oct 01 12:57
TweetTuxMachines	Linux 3.18 Kernel http://t.co/U5604B0Iob	Oct 01 12:57
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Oct 01 12:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| NixOS 15.09 Released: Ships Updated Desktops, Linux 3.18 Kernel - Phoronix		Oct 01 12:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today and Yesterday in Techrights	Oct 01 12:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/2m5ao6yXCH (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 01 12:57
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today and Yesterday in Techrights http://t.co/2m5ao6yXCH'		Oct 01 12:57
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6653387	Oct 01 13:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #mozilla publishes #firefox and #thunderbird bugfix releases ttp://linux.softpedia.com/blog/mozilla-releases-firefox-41-0-1-hotfix-to-patch-five-critical-issues-update-now-493270.shtml http://news.softpedia.com/news/mozilla-thunderbird-38-3-0-improves-the-message-checking-functionality-fixes-bugs-493277.shtml		Oct 01 13:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com \| Mozilla Thunderbird 38.3.0 Improves the Message Checking Functionality, Fixes Bugs - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/nw616 ]		Oct 01 13:47
schestowitz	http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/mozilla-releases-firefox-41-0-1-hotfix-to-patch-five-critical-issues-update-now-493270.shtml	Oct 01 13:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Mozilla Releases Firefox 41.0.1 Hotfix to Patch Five Critical Issues, Users Urged to Update Now - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/nw617 ]		Oct 01 13:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Using Docker Compose to define RancherOS System	Oct 01 13:52
TweetTuxMachines	Services http://t.co/zQmo0m2oQz	Oct 01 13:52
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxbsdos.com)	Oct 01 13:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxbsdos.com \| Using Docker Compose to define RancherOS System Services \| LinuxBSDos.com		Oct 01 13:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mirantis 7 Fuels OpenStack Kilo With Liberty	Oct 01 13:52
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/KHqO4hFpYQ (www.eweek.com)	Oct 01 13:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eweek.com \| Mirantis 7 Fuels OpenStack Kilo With Liberty		Oct 01 13:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines http://t.co/ZYhO1dwOOi (www.techrepublic.com)	Oct 01 13:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techrepublic.com \| Why a Linux-powered botnet shouldn't send you scurrying back to Windows - TechRepublic		Oct 01 13:53
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cubexyz	read about LightEater... it's an UEFI attack	Oct 01 14:00
cubexyz	so yes, knowing exactly what your computer does via datasheets and bios source code is invaluable	Oct 01 14:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today and Yesterday in Techrights	Oct 01 14:03
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by http://t.co/fUrIQYWqqT (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 01 14:03
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz	Oct 01 14:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today and Yesterday in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Oct 01 14:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How open source found me http://t.co/anwpAAqKNe	Oct 01 14:04
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 01 14:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How open source found me \| Tux Machines		Oct 01 14:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch Vibrant Venice Concept Is	Oct 01 14:04
TweetTuxMachines	Absolutely Stunning http://t.co/XWLGHDriId	Oct 01 14:04
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 01 14:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Touch Vibrant Venice Concept Is Absolutely Stunning \| Tux Machines		Oct 01 14:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Best Android smartphones for work and play:	Oct 01 14:04
TweetTuxMachines	October 2015 edition http://t.co/yEGcdE9eji	Oct 01 14:04
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 01 14:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Best Android smartphones for work and play: October 2015 edition \| Tux Machines		Oct 01 14:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Marketing by the Linux Foundation	Oct 01 14:04
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Rre3IgdWP2 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 01 14:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Marketing by the Linux Foundation \| Tux Machines		Oct 01 14:04
msb_	cubexyz: Thanks for mentioning LightEater. Damn, I so wanted those MilSpec capacitors and all those USB3 ports!	Oct 01 14:43
msb_	cubexyz: But even with Tyan and Coreboot, the BIOS still has binary blobs, right? Anything could be hidden in them.	Oct 01 14:45
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cubexyz	not quite	Oct 01 15:11
cubexyz	the VGABIOS is well understood and documented	Oct 01 15:11
cubexyz	we can dump the blobs and study them	Oct 01 15:11
cubexyz	my use of older computers helps too	Oct 01 15:12
cubexyz	I'm gathering up all of the BIOS source code I can	Oct 01 15:12
cubexyz	I'm aware that 'bad guys' are attacking my server and I monitor that	Oct 01 15:13
cubexyz	there's three things:	Oct 01 15:14
cubexyz	NSA hacks, miscellaneous bad guy hacks, and just plain old lack of knowledge	Oct 01 15:14
cubexyz	I'm not on the NSA radar... I'm just not important to them	Oct 01 15:15
msb_	You could be. They could be reading this channel. Microshit, Linux, systemd, swpats could be important to them. And now _you_ are doing all these BIOS investigations, to prevent them from breaking into computers. So you may be on the radar now.	Oct 01 15:17
msb_	Plus they could have followed me here. I have a lot of stuff on my website that they don't want the public to know about, even though I got it all from publicly accessible websites.	Oct 01 15:20
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msb_	Of course when we say "NSA", that's only one of more than a dozen secret spy organizations in the US govt, some of which probably have never been made public.	Oct 01 15:21
MinceR	the NSA is monitoring everyone they can	Oct 01 15:33
MinceR	they don't care if they can find anything in the massive amounts of data they gather, they just vacuum it up	Oct 01 15:33
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MinceR	and afaik they have yet to stop any turrist attack	Oct 01 15:34
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MinceR	they piss the taxpayers' money away on this and on weakening the security of algorithms and implementations used by citizens	Oct 01 15:34
MinceR	they should be shut down and replaced with an agency that does its job	Oct 01 15:34
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cubexyz	archive.org has an interesting license	Oct 01 15:50
cubexyz	I don't remember choosing it	Oct 01 15:50
cubexyz	Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0	Oct 01 15:51
msb_	"they have yet to stop any turrist attack" http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2929396/pg1 "U.S. Intelligence Officer: "Every Single Terrorist Attack In U.S. Was a False Flag Attack.""	Oct 01 16:36
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msb_	"The latest whistleblower is David Steele, a 20-year Marine Corps intelligence officer, and the second-highest-ranking civilian in the U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence. He is a former CIA clandestine services case officer, and this is what he had to say: “Most terrorists are false flag terrorists, or are created by our own security services. "	Oct 01 16:38
msb_	The US/UK/Israeli/Corporate Empire is run by murderous psychopaths who want to control the entire world for power and greed. But Russia and China have enough nukes for MAD. So the US nibbles at them around their edges, as in Syria and Ukraine, and demonizes them in the corporate press.	Oct 01 16:47
msb_	It tries to control all economies and commerce via the IMF and Rothschild banks, and spies on all communications.	Oct 01 16:50
MinceR	yeah, the fascists will save is from fascism	Oct 01 16:51
MinceR	oh wait	Oct 01 16:51
msb_	It destr0ys any weaker nations that oppose it, like Libya and Syria.	Oct 01 16:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why a Linux-powered botnet shouldn't send you	Oct 01 16:53
TweetTuxMachines	scurrying back to Windows	Oct 01 16:53
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/KGzxNrayFr (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 01 16:53
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Why a Linux-powered botnet shouldn't send you scurrying back to Windows \| Tux Machines		Oct 01 16:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today and Yesterday in Techrights	Oct 01 16:53
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by http://t.co/fUrIQYWqqT (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 01 16:53
TweetTuxMachines	@The_Code_Shirts	Oct 01 16:53
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MinceR	s/is/us/	Oct 01 16:53
cubexyz	AMI did some interesting things	Oct 01 16:56
msb_	MinceR: To have an accurate idea of what's going on, you have to see things in terms of degree, not black and white. Putin may be a front for some wealthy Russians, and he did lock up Pussy Riot and censored some Internet sources. But compared to what the US has done around the world since 2001, Putin and China have not done much to control other nations, nor to mass murder people.	Oct 01 16:57
cubexyz	support for Cyrix an Weitek, Weitek got dropped later	Oct 01 16:57
MinceR	only because they're less powerful	Oct 01 16:58
MinceR	if they could, they would	Oct 01 16:58
MinceR	and they would do worse	Oct 01 16:58
MinceR	and they have done it before	Oct 01 16:58
msb_	That's a fantasy in your mind, derived from what the USSR did to Hungary 60 years ago. Other than a few infrequent threats to try to limit actual US _actions_, there's no evidence for your claims.	Oct 01 17:00
MinceR	no, those are facts you're ignoring don't exist because you buy all fascist government propaganda at face value	Oct 01 17:01
MinceR	s/ignoring/pretending/	Oct 01 17:01
MinceR	and what the USSR did to hungary for about 60 years, they did to all other countries in the eastern bloc	Oct 01 17:02
msb_	Not at all. I look at actual actions. The US has wrecked every nation that it can in the Middle East, using WMD and armed jihadis. Russia has done no such thing.	Oct 01 17:03
MinceR	yes they have	Oct 01 17:03
MinceR	they've done worse than that to the entire eastern bloc and themselves	Oct 01 17:03
msb_	Yes, 60 years ago the USSR was very bad. It isn't now.	Oct 01 17:04
MinceR	it hasn't changed significantly, they have hardly learned anything	Oct 01 17:04
MinceR	they're more desperate though	Oct 01 17:04
MinceR	so they're more willing to throw nukes around	Oct 01 17:04
msb_	You have no proof of that.	Oct 01 17:05
MinceR	i have already shown proof and you've ignored it several times	Oct 01 17:05
msb_	You fantasize and obsess about what goes on in Putin's mind.	Oct 01 17:05
MinceR	no, that's what you do	Oct 01 17:06
msb_	You've shown him making a few threats, to counter similar threats and actualities done by the US.	Oct 01 17:06
msb_	The US has Russia surrounded by nuclear weapons. Russia does not have the US surrounded.	Oct 01 17:06
MinceR	the us only uses nuclear weapons to counter nuclear threats	Oct 01 17:07
MinceR	russia is willing to use them for anything	Oct 01 17:07
MinceR	in the hope they'll intimidate the west	Oct 01 17:07
MinceR	and possibly break the nato apart	Oct 01 17:07
msb_	You believe all the US/NATO propaganda.	Oct 01 17:08
MinceR	you believe all the russian propaganda	Oct 01 17:08
MinceR	you also believe all the conspiracy theories	Oct 01 17:08
msb_	Your beliefs about 9/11, chemtrails, vaccines are all in exact agreement with the US govt.	Oct 01 17:08
MinceR	no they aren't	Oct 01 17:09
msb_	I have detailed factual proof for those matters, not theories.	Oct 01 17:09
MinceR	no, you have bullshit for those matters that lack detail	Oct 01 17:09
MinceR	you have implications and insinuations	Oct 01 17:10
msb_	The beliefs you've expressed here are.	Oct 01 17:10
MinceR	even that is false	Oct 01 17:10
msb_	You're lying. Look at my 911 material. Look at http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/ It's all factual, not "bullshit for those matters that lack detail, implications and insinuations", as you falsely claim.	Oct 01 17:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geoengineeringwatch.org \| Geoengineering Watch \| Exposing the climate engineering/geoengineering cover-up		Oct 01 17:12
MinceR	no, you're lying	Oct 01 17:12
MinceR	learn how to think critically	Oct 01 17:13
msb_	If you think that any of my material is false, present your claims in detail. Argue with the facts. But you don't. You just make blanket vague accusations. And _all_ of the material I present is the result of critical thinking.	Oct 01 17:14
MinceR	i already have	Oct 01 17:14
MinceR	and it's pointless to talk with you as if you hear something you don't like, you pretend it wasn't said, forever	Oct 01 17:15
msb_	No you haven't. You haven't refuted anything about 911 or chemtrails.	Oct 01 17:15
msb_	And now you've given an extremely lame excuse for not doing it -- saying you did it before and I ignored it. Present your refutations again.	Oct 01 17:16
msb_	Refute Newton's Laws of Motion. Refute the thermite research. Refute Dane Wigington's evidence.	Oct 01 17:19
MinceR	you haven't calculated anything using newton's laws of motion	Oct 01 17:20
MinceR	thermite is irrelevant as it depends on the bullshit claims about jet fuel and steel	Oct 01 17:20
MinceR	i don't know who dane wigington is but you don't care about their evidence to mention them here	Oct 01 17:20
MinceR	also, see above	Oct 01 17:20
msb_	Newton: F=ma is a vector equation. 10-ton girders accelerated horizontally to 70mph required a horizontal force -- explosives, not gravity.	Oct 01 17:22
msb_	Thermite particles were found in all the 911 dust. They cannot be generated from jet fuel and steel -- different atomic elements.	Oct 01 17:23
msb_	Wigington's website is http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/ His detailed copious evidence is presented there.	Oct 01 17:24
MinceR	who found thermite particles?	Oct 01 17:24
msb_	A group of scientists.	Oct 01 17:24
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MinceR	who are they?	Oct 01 17:26
MinceR	what's their evidence?	Oct 01 17:26
msb_	I'll find the paper and you can read it. Hold on.	Oct 01 17:27
cubexyz	didn't someone try to blow up the WTC before?	Oct 01 17:28
cubexyz	there could have been residual traces of that	Oct 01 17:28
msb_	Yes, the FBI and Mossad infiltrated a muslim study group and got them to drive a truck of dynamite or other nitrate explosive under the towers. But dynamite and thermite are chemically totally different.	Oct 01 17:30
cubexyz	1993	Oct 01 17:31
msb_	MinceR: Here it is: http://aldeilis.net/truth/119.pdf	Oct 01 17:32
MinceR	the origin of the "red/gray chips" is uncertain	Oct 01 17:37
msb_	Normal thermite is a mixture of aluminum and iron oxide powders. The thermitic chips found in the dust were thin flakes with the Al on one side and the Fe203 on the other, in intimate contact so the reaction proceeds very rapidly.	Oct 01 17:39
MinceR	sure, but how do we know the alleged citizens who turned them in really found them where they say they did?	Oct 01 17:39
MinceR	(or even when they did)	Oct 01 17:39
msb_	The were produced by a sol-gel process in a US lab. I have a paper with the details.	Oct 01 17:40
msb_	It's very high-tech. They can't be produced by accident.	Oct 01 17:41
MinceR	they can be submitted by foreign disinformation agents, though	Oct 01 17:42
MinceR	and then you can analyze them using totally credible techniques and still be misled	Oct 01 17:42
msb_	Are you claiming that all the people who scraped the dust off their windowsills were working for Putin?	Oct 01 17:43
MinceR	no, i'm saying the 4 people mentioned in the study may have been working for putin	Oct 01 17:43
MinceR	as such, they may have not scraped the chips off their windowsills	Oct 01 17:44
msb_	Even the US govt lying propaganda sites don't say that.	Oct 01 17:44
MinceR	do those sites acknowledge the red/gray chips issue at all?	Oct 01 17:44
msb_	Some say they were flecks of paint.	Oct 01 17:45
MinceR	i've seen rebuttals to that	Oct 01 17:45
MinceR	but those replies may be "loose change"-level	Oct 01 17:45
msb_	But paint flecks don't burst into a shower of bright sparks when heated to a few hundred degrees.	Oct 01 17:46
MinceR	indeed	Oct 01 17:46
MinceR	such paint would probably not be allowed to be used in buildings	Oct 01 17:46
MinceR	but we still don't really know where they come from	Oct 01 17:46
msb_	Correct. Elemental aluminum is a very high-energy reducing agent.	Oct 01 17:46
msb_	Thermite burns with a very bright actinic light. The chips had to be below ground or the light would have been seen. They were used to melt the girders below ground level.	Oct 01 17:48
MinceR	how did they get out of the site, then?	Oct 01 17:48
msb_	Some unburned ones were carried up by the hot air produced by the others.	Oct 01 17:49
MinceR	also, were the girders visible from areas visitors and office workers and such were normally in within the building?	Oct 01 17:49
MinceR	(if not, maybe they could have been used higher up)	Oct 01 17:50
msb_	Not underground where the thermite was. The thermite could have been poured into the hollow box-columns thru the inspection holes left in them.	Oct 01 17:51
msb_	Conventional explosives were used above ground. Light from thermite would have shown on the videos.	Oct 01 17:52
MinceR	conventional explosives produce light too, don't they?	Oct 01 17:53
msb_	Brief flashes.	Oct 01 17:53
msb_	But the explosives were hidden in the concrete cores of the towers, built in to them. But without detonators, which were added shortly before 9/11.	Oct 01 17:54
MinceR	other sources say the aluminium in the flakes was not aluminium metal, but as part of kaolin (aluminium silicate)	Oct 01 17:54
MinceR	which is not uncommon in paint	Oct 01 17:54
MinceR	http://dl.dropbox.com/u/64959841/9119ProgressReport022912_rev1_030112web.pdf	Oct 01 17:54
MinceR	http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=231314&page=2	Oct 01 17:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.internationalskeptics.com \| WTC Dust Study Feb 29, 2012 by Dr. James Millette - Page 2 - International Skeptics Forum [ http://ur1.ca/nw7v6 ]		Oct 01 17:55
msb_	aluminum silicate is already oxidized. It can't burn. It's clay.	Oct 01 17:55
MinceR	indeed	Oct 01 17:55
msb_	I should say the aluminum in aluminum silicate is already oxidized.	Oct 01 17:56
msb_	Elementary chemistry.	Oct 01 17:56
msb_	Fig. 19 and 29 shows the thermitic chips igniting.	Oct 01 17:59
msb_	Burning aluminum produces extremely high energy, much more than burning coal or wood. It has such high energy that it can pull the oxygen out of iron oxide, leaving molten iron. That molten iron can be used to weld railroad tracks, which is or was a principle use of thermite.	Oct 01 18:07
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649609789509664772	Oct 01 18:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@swapnilbhartiya: 1/~ I am not. Please read the whole story. https://t.co/gNv5jU1UgO		Oct 01 18:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Swapnil is wrong. #microsoft is still suing #android using #patents from many fronts, its private trolls too http://t.co/PiodTmjKDT #linux		Oct 01 18:08
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649610338388807680	Oct 01 18:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz No I am not. Please read the complete story - including the end where I said that they will continue to sign patent deals 1/2		Oct 01 18:08
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649610537093976064	Oct 01 18:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz I said ONLY and ONLY if they join OIN and agree not not threaten Linux with patent will we believe they have changed. 2/2		Oct 01 18:08
schestowitz	That would not be enough. Only last month Bill Gates lobbied against China/Linux and Microsoft lobbies EPO, re #UPC	Oct 01 18:09
schestowitz	To me, not even taking Windows GPL would mean much. The company is a sociopath with a long track record at that.	Oct 01 18:10
schestowitz	I didn't mean for anything to sound confrontational; I can share with you some recent links regarding what Microsoft STILL does to destroy Linux and Free software	Oct 01 18:11
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/TelecomNewsroom/status/649613308752994304	Oct 01 18:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TelecomNewsroom: The TelecomNewsroom Daily is out! http://t.co/yTobeRXsqA Stories via @fone_do @schestowitz @BW_Wireless		Oct 01 18:12
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msb_	MinceR: Here's the article from LLNL explaining how the thermite chips are made, and showing their ignition: http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/SolGelPyroLLNL2002.pdf	Oct 01 18:14
schestowitz	don't start	Oct 01 18:14
schestowitz	No politics here..	Oct 01 18:14
msb_	MinceR asked.	Oct 01 18:14
MinceR	that's a little far-fetched	Oct 01 18:15
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_b5224063ebd59dbb967b.jpg	Oct 01 18:15
MinceR	insists on saving to disk	Oct 01 18:18
MinceR	and on opening it with the wrong application	Oct 01 18:18
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649633002977411072	Oct 01 18:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz lobbying for business is different from patent war. Do you believe RH won’t fight to take market from Canonical?		Oct 01 18:18
schestowitz	Lobbying for software patents	Oct 01 18:18
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649633589911515137	Oct 01 18:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz Leaders can change companies, just like countries. There is a difference in US of Bush and that of Obama. 1/2		Oct 01 18:18
schestowitz	Obama is in many ways worse than Bush	Oct 01 18:18
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649633741674049536	Oct 01 18:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz 2/2 That said no one is giving them clean chit, just acknowledging a change that we are seeing.		Oct 01 18:19
schestowitz	Microsoft is now infiltrating FOSS with moles. That's not >good< change. It's promoting proprietary lockin.	Oct 01 18:19
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649634049322024960	Oct 01 18:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz I know as I said in the story itself that not to expect them to change, BUT that there might be a hope due to new leadership.		Oct 01 18:20
schestowitz	Nadella is bossed by Bill Gates, whose record you can ask Penfield at USDOJ (he's dead now) about	Oct 01 18:20
schestowitz	Nadella is bossed by Bill Gates, whose record you can ask Penfield at USDOJ (he's dead now) about	Oct 01 18:20
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649634320131473409	Oct 01 18:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz I interviewed Sam Ramji who drove open source in Microsoft. He gave more meaning full insights into this change at MSFT.		Oct 01 18:21
schestowitz	ramji is a villainous mole. I wrote a lot about him over the years.	Oct 01 18:21
msb_	MinceR: What is "a little far-fetched"? That file is just a 61KB jpg. I don't know why firefox doesn't show it.	Oct 01 18:22
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649635765614440452	Oct 01 18:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz what????		Oct 01 18:24
schestowitz	Look at his track record while working for Microsoft for a salary	Oct 01 18:24
MinceR	msb_: that i asked specifically for this	Oct 01 18:24
schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entryism	Oct 01 18:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Entryism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Oct 01 18:24
msb_	MinceR: You asked for the Harrit paper. This one is a companion to it. Dr Steven Jones sent it to me.	Oct 01 18:26
cubexyz	always avoid Microsoft whenever possible	Oct 01 18:27
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/foss-matrix.txt	Oct 01 18:28
cubexyz	I'm going to have to revise the operating system recommendations	Oct 01 18:29
cubexyz	more emphasis on chromebook and BSD and slackware distros	Oct 01 18:30
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649637224053633024	Oct 01 18:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz http://t.co/FMDZufNleN		Oct 01 18:32
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schestowitz	Yes, terrible news, as I wrote at the time	Oct 01 18:33
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz I've read the article, and the guy belittles Linux, saying now it surpassed Vista... What a moron.		Oct 01 19:04
schestowitz	That's MS Emil, not it's @drpizza succeeding him	Oct 01 19:04
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cubexyz	DEC customers could actually run FOSS with RT-11	Oct 01 19:07
cubexyz	the endless noise about Microsoft is really a shame	Oct 01 19:07
cubexyz	there are many examples of good operating systems that didn't catch on	Oct 01 19:08
cubexyz	MSDOS with 640K was a joke	Oct 01 19:08
cubexyz	PDP-11/53 with RT-11 was a good system.. but just too expensive for the masses	Oct 01 19:10
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cubexyz	kids today are getting the false idea that computing == windows	Oct 01 19:23
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cubexyz	I talked to the OpenBSD specialists about framebuffers	Oct 01 19:25
lirodon	Time to boycott more services; Amazon's complaining that another closed media ecosystem product won't support its own closed media ecosystem, so it's just banning them from their store instead	Oct 01 19:25
cubexyz	there's nothing in OpenBSD that's equivalent to vesafb	Oct 01 19:25
lirodon	they're just punishing them for not letting them into their walled garden	Oct 01 19:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Run And Gun Platformer NOT A HERO Released On	Oct 01 20:58
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6654471	Oct 01 21:06
schestowitz	"@bugsbane@joindiaspora.com still better than once will-be-open-trust-us Lightworks…"	Oct 01 21:06
schestowitz	They still pretend?	Oct 01 21:06
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/649677498045890560	Oct 01 21:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SeaH2ONymph: #US shipped 160 planeloads weapons 2 'rebels'. #CIA spent 1 billion dollars to train fighters to overthrow #Assad. https://t.co/GS6Nmgeo5n		Oct 01 21:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "That “diplomatic strategy” involves getting #Russia to endorse regime change" https://t.co/kFJuqmuodS #nytimes #pentagon #coup #syria		Oct 01 21:21
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/649681580349231104 https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/649681771529834496	Oct 01 21:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz Please, for the love of FOSS, remove the remarks from your article about Swapnil and the Microsoft + Google CEO's being Indian		Oct 01 21:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz That article is being spammed all over the place, even to the point of showing up in gaming groups.		Oct 01 21:29
schestowitz	Gaming? Which site?	Oct 01 21:29
schestowitz	Removing something leads to blowback, c/f Streisand Effect	Oct 01 21:30
schestowitz	Re: how to maintain the hype	Oct 01 21:51
schestowitz	>	Oct 01 21:51
schestowitz	> Records sales in first 3 days	Oct 01 21:51
schestowitz	> iPhone6S releases in	Oct 01 21:51
schestowitz	> http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20150928005459/en/Apple-Announces-Record-iPhone-6s-iPhone-6s#.Vgp4j5eYprK	Oct 01 21:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businesswire.com \| Apple Announces Record iPhone 6s & iPhone 6s Plus Sales \| Business Wire [ http://ur1.ca/nw9hg ]		Oct 01 21:51
schestowitz	> more than 40 countries	Oct 01 21:51
schestowitz	>	Oct 01 21:51
schestowitz	> iPhone5S (two years ago) released in	Oct 01 21:51
schestowitz	> http://bgr.com/2013/10/09/iphone-5s-release-date-new-markets/	Oct 01 21:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com \| iPhone 5s Release Date: New markets announced for Apple’s iPhones \| BGR [ http://ur1.ca/nw9hj ]		Oct 01 21:51
schestowitz	> more than 25 countries	Oct 01 21:51
schestowitz	>	Oct 01 21:51
schestowitz	> In a few years there are not enough countries for initial record sales.	Oct 01 21:51
schestowitz	>	Oct 01 21:51
schestowitz	> Maybe after the iCar there will be iCountries??? :)	Oct 01 21:51
schestowitz	Statisticians help PR people find a way to frame data in a way that supports misleading headlines.	Oct 01 21:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Escapists: The Walking Dead Released For	Oct 01 22:10
TweetTuxMachines	Linux, Here’s What I Think	Oct 01 22:10
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/SeXRhxHVtG (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Oct 01 22:10
TweetTuxMachines	"GOG sent me a key."	Oct 01 22:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 And 15.04 Update Disables JAyatana	Oct 01 22:10
TweetTuxMachines	(Global Menu And HUD For Java Swing	Oct 01 22:10
TweetTuxMachines	Applications) By Default	Oct 01 22:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME’s 2014 Fiscal Year Annual Report	Oct 01 22:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google Lines Up a Batch of Marshmallow-Ready	Oct 01 22:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is The Gentoo-Based Calculate Linux Faster Than	Oct 01 22:18
TweetTuxMachines	Other Distributions https://t.co/vAEyZAdrr2	Oct 01 22:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Learn Linux Administration with Linux	Oct 01 22:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mycroft Promises Open Source, Linux-based AI	Oct 01 22:43
TweetTuxMachines	for IoT World https://t.co/Yw6k4oYfFn	Oct 01 22:43
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Transwarp Technologies uses open source and	Oct 01 22:43
TweetTuxMachines	non-proprietary Hadoop core	Oct 01 22:43
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME’s 2014 Fiscal Year Annual Report	Oct 01 22:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Indian government pushes GNU/Linux for	Oct 01 22:58
TweetTuxMachines	government and Dell and others actually give it	Oct 01 22:58
TweetTuxMachines	space on retail shelves."	Oct 01 22:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kernel 4.1.9 Has Been Released	Oct 01 22:58
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msb_	cubexyz: In 1984 PCDOS and an IBM-PC with a 15MB disk was a very limited system compared to much more expensive PDP-11s available. But it was more powerful than a PDP-8 or PDP-12 and had plug-in boards you could put your own circuitry on and control by I/O instructions. It had an assembler and C compiler (for a few hundred dollars more) and came with BASIC. I taught myself programming on such a machine and did a lot of good work on	Oct 01 23:13
msb_	it. XTREE was an excellent filemanager/editor, like mc today. I had a categorized collection of about 70 utility programs on a floppy disk that I took with me to consulting jobs. It was a good time!	Oct 01 23:13
cubexyz	sorry?	Oct 01 23:13
cubexyz	PDP-11 was what I was talking about	Oct 01 23:14
cubexyz	I'm saying that PDP-11 series was more open and more powerful than msdos machines, which it was	Oct 01 23:14
msb_	"<cubexyz> MSDOS with 640K was a joke"	Oct 01 23:15
cubexyz	you got operating system source	Oct 01 23:15
cubexyz	it was way better, but more expensive is what I said	Oct 01 23:15
cubexyz	right	Oct 01 23:15
cubexyz	so was EMS	Oct 01 23:15
cubexyz	msdos with real mode wasn't good at all	Oct 01 23:16
cubexyz	1 meg window	Oct 01 23:16
MinceR	640kB should be enough for anybody!	Oct 01 23:16
MinceR	(just like windows.)	Oct 01 23:16
cubexyz	PDP-11	Oct 01 23:17
cubexyz	PDP-11 had a proper MMU	Oct 01 23:17
cubexyz	all the higher order computers had MMUs	Oct 01 23:19
cubexyz	I wasted a lot of time programming around MSDOS limitations	Oct 01 23:20
cubexyz	himem.sys?	Oct 01 23:20
cubexyz	Amiga was better, IBM S/370 was better, Sun was better	Oct 01 23:21
cubexyz	and PDP-11 was better	Oct 01 23:21
msb_	I had a high-res color monitor and display card on my cheap PC, and wrote a lot of artistic graphics programs.	Oct 01 23:23
msb_	It had BIOS source and electrical schematics!	Oct 01 23:25
msb_	At various times I intercepted the system call interrupts and put in my own "wedges" in order to modify the actions of the BIOS and/or OS.	Oct 01 23:26
msb_	Having started on a PDP-12 with IIRC 4K of 12-bit RAM I was very happy with my much more powerful PC.	Oct 01 23:27
msb_	Maybe the 12 was only 2K.	Oct 01 23:28
cubexyz	you're jumping eras	Oct 01 23:28
msb_	No, I think PDP-12 came before the 11.	Oct 01 23:29
cubexyz	that's what I mean	Oct 01 23:29
cubexyz	PDP-12 was much earlier was it not?	Oct 01 23:29
cubexyz	compared to your .... what... 286 PC?	Oct 01 23:29
msb_	In any case I learned assembly on a 12, and then got a PC with C.	Oct 01 23:29
cubexyz	I'm guessing 286 since you mentioned BIOS source	Oct 01 23:29
msb_	My PC was 8088. The BIOS source came in a 3-ring binder for about 50-70 bucks.	Oct 01 23:30
cubexyz	ok, early 1980s then	Oct 01 23:30
msb_	including the schematics.	Oct 01 23:30
msb_	yes	Oct 01 23:30
cubexyz	my notes say PDP-12 first appeared in 1969	Oct 01 23:31
cubexyz	used to about 1972	Oct 01 23:31
cubexyz	early 1980s it would have been very difficult to get a computer in the home that had MMU	Oct 01 23:32
cubexyz	that's just the way it was	Oct 01 23:32
msb_	The apps and libraries I wrote in C fitted ok in 640K.	Oct 01 23:32
cubexyz	what I am saying is PDP-11's running Unix were better than msdos	Oct 01 23:33
msb_	sure	Oct 01 23:33
msb_	How much did they cost, including Unix?	Oct 01 23:33
msb_	For a non-institutional user.	Oct 01 23:34
cubexyz	that's a bit tricky to answer	Oct 01 23:36
cubexyz	for PDP-11/20 I know it was $60K	Oct 01 23:36
cubexyz	but the price went down over time	Oct 01 23:36
cubexyz	PDP-7 in 1965 was $72K	Oct 01 23:36
cubexyz	DEC LINC-8 was $46K in 1966	Oct 01 23:37
msb_	My PC, hard drive, display , graphic card, came in at about $6K.	Oct 01 23:37
cubexyz	PDP-8's were the cheapest for a while... $18K	Oct 01 23:37
msb_	Including C compiler	Oct 01 23:37
msb_	8's were really awful to program.	Oct 01 23:37
cubexyz	it's real mode that really bugged me	Oct 01 23:37
cubexyz	8086 limitation	Oct 01 23:38
cubexyz	with Xenix 286 the memory limits weren't as bad	Oct 01 23:38
cubexyz	right, I can image the PDP-8 was very also very limiting	Oct 01 23:38
msb_	much worse than 8088	Oct 01 23:39
cubexyz	maximum 64k?	Oct 01 23:39
msb_	640K.	Oct 01 23:39
cubexyz	no, I mean the PDP-8	Oct 01 23:40
msb_	IIRC, except for a couple of instructions it was limited to a 256Byte page.	Oct 01 23:40
msb_	like a 6502	Oct 01 23:41
msb_	I really wanted a CoCo, with a 6809, designed like a PDP-11, excellent instruction set and memory reach. But never got one.	Oct 01 23:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kubuntu: A call for testers!	Oct 01 23:43
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cubexyz	286 was Intel's answer to the real mode limit	Oct 01 23:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Legacy system tray icons back in Plasma 5	Oct 01 23:43
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TweetTuxMachines	(blog.davidedmundson.co.uk)	Oct 01 23:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.davidedmundson.co.uk \| Legacy system tray icons back in Plasma 5 \| David Edmundson's Web Log		Oct 01 23:43
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cubexyz	with protected mode	Oct 01 23:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hands on: Nexus 6P review	Oct 01 23:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techradar.com \| Nexus 6P hands on review \| TechRadar		Oct 01 23:43
cubexyz	but look at Intel now	Oct 01 23:45
cubexyz	not really that desirable	Oct 01 23:45
msb_	I got a 386 and used it with a very good multitasking and memory extension system from Borland (IIRC). Wrote a huge app on a contract -- real-time graphics with a software feedback loop for speed regulation, and my own display-list system, which included some conditionals.	Oct 01 23:47
cubexyz	ok... what I ended up doing back in the day was use XMS under msdos	Oct 01 23:47
cubexyz	BUT... I also wrote the same program for the amiga	Oct 01 23:47
cubexyz	the amiga version was much simpler and cleaner	Oct 01 23:48
msb_	No doubt!	Oct 01 23:48
msb_	We had limitations then and worked around them. We have limitations now.	Oct 01 23:48
msb_	When we reach the point where we can say, "Computer!" and it says, "Working", it will be a lot less fun. Thinking is fun!	Oct 01 23:50
MinceR	we're not guaranteed to reach that point	Oct 01 23:51
cubexyz	ok... but the whole IBM PC architecture was very limiting	Oct 01 23:51
MinceR	though if we did, it will probably mean that finally we have an AI that can outlast humanity	Oct 01 23:51
msb_	MinceR: And might choose to.	Oct 01 23:51
cubexyz	The 8086 was an ill-conceived attempt to provide an address space larger 64K bytes without actually incurring the costs of a larger architecture. The 8086 is basically a 16/16 architecture. It has a 16-bit program counter, a 16-bit ALU, four 16-bit general purpose registers, and some 16-bit index registers.	Oct 01 23:52
msb_	But now 86's have multiple cores with multiple pipelines, instruction prediction and caching, and clock rates higher than radar. We program them in C with good optimizing compilers. Life is good!	Oct 01 23:55
msb_	As soon as Devuan comes out.	Oct 01 23:55
cubexyz	except we went from "BIOS source here you go" to "sign an NDA and give us $20K"	Oct 01 23:58
MinceR	and soon we'll go to "you get to run osx if you buy your computer from apple or windows if you buy it from anyone else"	Oct 01 23:59
msb_	When it's time to build my new computer, if I can't get a Tyan mobo with libreboot, I'll probably get a sabretooth and kill UEFI/secure-boot on it. It can flash the BIOS from a USB stick without a CPU, so I'll have that ready, and make good backups in case the govt bricks my computer. Hell, they could just come and shoot me if they want to.	Oct 01 23:59
cubexyz	well I assume you saw the NSA ANT Catalog	Oct 02 00:00
cubexyz	I've been working on the BIOS problem for 5 years now	Oct 02 00:01
msb_	Yep. Thanks!	Oct 02 00:01
cubexyz	I have a plan about the BIOS situation	Oct 02 00:01
cubexyz	there's two different approaches	Oct 02 00:01
msb_	MinceR: I think all ASUS mobos have the option of turning off UEFI-secureboot and running any OS you want.	Oct 02 00:02
cubexyz	three actually	Oct 02 00:02
MinceR	msb_: for now.	Oct 02 00:02
cubexyz	first I want everyone to remember that Raspberry PI has proprietary firmware	Oct 02 00:02
MinceR	msb_: last time, m$ was forced by pr backlash to mandate Restricted Boot to be possible to be disabled on x86	Oct 02 00:02
cubexyz	ok option 1) buy a chromebook	Oct 02 00:02
MinceR	they already had the hw locked down on arm	Oct 02 00:03
MinceR	this time, that restriction is gone	Oct 02 00:03
cubexyz	option 2) pay minifree for a X60 laptop with libreboot	Oct 02 00:03
MinceR	so expect to see uefi appliances bearing a vista10 sticker that won't boot anything else	Oct 02 00:03
cubexyz	option 3) use the leaked AMI source and find a motherboard that works with it	Oct 02 00:03
MinceR	chromebooks, x60s and x200s are weak	Oct 02 00:03
cubexyz	our options for BIOS source code are limited	Oct 02 00:04
cubexyz	the hardware gatekeepers are stacked against us	Oct 02 00:06
MinceR	all the fascists are stacked against us	Oct 02 00:06
msb_	I don't think MS could get away with insisting that UEFI/SB not be user controllable on any mobo.	Oct 02 00:06
MinceR	m$ and crApple made closed platforms and drm hip and cool	Oct 02 00:06
MinceR	mainstream media, dumbFuckBook and m$ destroyed expectations of privacy	Oct 02 00:07
MinceR	msb_: they can	Oct 02 00:07
MinceR	m$ and crApple could get away with closing the market to competing OS-es	Oct 02 00:07
MinceR	even though the USA and the EU pretends they have antitrust regulations, and regulations against monopoly abuse	Oct 02 00:07
msb_	MinceR: We've been fighting fascists for a century. We'll go on fighting them. And with the Net, people have much better communications for organizing and fighting fascists.	Oct 02 00:08
MinceR	we will	Oct 02 00:08
MinceR	but we're losing	Oct 02 00:08
MinceR	yeah, the net is being killed too	Oct 02 00:08
MinceR	red china started it with their great firewall	Oct 02 00:08
MinceR	many others are following	Oct 02 00:08
MinceR	russia is also employing internet censorship	Oct 02 00:08
MinceR	now the UN is plotting for global internet censorship	Oct 02 00:08
MinceR	and we have fascist megacorporations trying to destroy net neutrality	Oct 02 00:08
MinceR	people who have lived through fascist oppression in dictatorship seemed to have forgotten their suffering	Oct 02 00:09
msb_	MinceR: You always look at the absolute worst possibilities. That's a limitation of your mind, which you might overcome if you read that CBT pamphlet. You ignore the infinite possibilities of human creativity.	Oct 02 00:10
MinceR	i'm well aware of the possibilities	Oct 02 00:10
MinceR	but i can see that the majority is instead marching to put their hands in manacles willingly and happily	Oct 02 00:10
msb_	If you watch RT you'll see people protesting every day in many different nations about various issues.	Oct 02 00:11
MinceR	and if you watch RT you'll see blatant advertising of a fascist dictatorship	Oct 02 00:12
MinceR	you'll also see putin's stereotypical fascist posturing	Oct 02 00:12
msb_	Actually, you don't. But even if you did, that doesn';t change what I said, which refutes your idea of "marching to put their hands in manacles willingly".	Oct 02 00:13
MinceR	actually, the fact that you keep promoting RT and putin shows that even you put your hands in manacles willingly	Oct 02 00:14
msb_	Lots of people are uniting in political action all over the world.	Oct 02 00:14
MinceR	yes, usually for the worse	Oct 02 00:14
cubexyz	I think Mincer was referred to Ipads, Windows 10 Laptops, that sort of thing	Oct 02 00:14
MinceR	hungarians united to get rid of that pesky democracy	Oct 02 00:14
MinceR	and they got what they wanted	Oct 02 00:14
cubexyz	not being an educated consumer	Oct 02 00:14
MinceR	cubexyz: yes, in part	Oct 02 00:14
MinceR	i think there's a general theme here	Oct 02 00:14
cubexyz	Satellite TV is heavily DRMed	Oct 02 00:15
cubexyz	and laden with commercials	Oct 02 00:15
MinceR	even our display connector standards tend to be laden with DRM	Oct 02 00:15
MinceR	even the formerly open web supports DRM now	Oct 02 00:16
cubexyz	DRM is usually defeated though	Oct 02 00:17
MinceR	yes, as long as we have general-purpose computers and audio and video recording devices	Oct 02 00:18
msb_	MinceR: You're now stuck in your paranoid depressive delusions. I won't argue with you anymore. Read the CBT booklet. Maybe you can help yourself.	Oct 02 00:18
MinceR	the former is being taken away from us	Oct 02 00:18
MinceR	and the latter are slowly being replaced by computer-based devices that are increasingly subject to centralized control	Oct 02 00:18
MinceR	consumer idiots love their hypePhones and hypePads, with their closed platforms and backdoors	Oct 02 00:18
MinceR	i remember seeing crApple patenting means to shut down their devices' recording capabilities remotely so they can't be used to record the abuses of governments	Oct 02 00:19
MinceR	there's no outrage	Oct 02 00:19
MinceR	these fascists are worshipped as gods	Oct 02 00:19
msb_	To claim that when we now have dozens of different Linux SBCs for less that $50 is the height of nuttiness!	Oct 02 00:19
MinceR	yeah, i wonder if we'll be allowed to keep our SBCs	Oct 02 00:20
msb_	China can always make more!	Oct 02 00:20
MinceR	whether they will is another matter	Oct 02 00:20
MinceR	as is whether they'll be allowed to cross our borders	Oct 02 00:20
MinceR	remember that we have provisions for inspecting people's data storage devices on border crossing	Oct 02 00:21
msb_	Yeah yeah. Stalin raped Hungary 50 years ago so the world is doomed now. MinceR, you fill this channel with insanity.	Oct 02 00:22
MinceR	stalin did "raped" not only hungary and not only 50 years ago	Oct 02 00:22
MinceR	and you support his legacy	Oct 02 00:22
msb_	You're lying. Blow it out your ass.	Oct 02 00:22
MinceR	and there are fascists that are seemingly independent of him, too	Oct 02 00:23
MinceR	being rude doesn't make putin any less of a fascist	Oct 02 00:23
msb_	As I said, and as you totally ignored, fascism is a matter of degree.	Oct 02 00:23
MinceR	yes, and exactly 0 degree is which is acceptable	Oct 02 00:24
MinceR	and russian-style dictatorships take it a lot further than the likes of crApple	Oct 02 00:24
msb_	Putin is doing much more to fight fascism than to enforce it.	Oct 02 00:24
MinceR	with crApple, you may be left alone as long as you don't use a computer and aren't perceived by one	Oct 02 00:24
MinceR	with putin, you'll rot in a gulag if you stand up against him	Oct 02 00:25
MinceR	or you'll be murdered	Oct 02 00:25
msb_	So why are you still walking around?	Oct 02 00:25
MinceR	his army hasn't yet reached here	Oct 02 00:25
MinceR	and his cronies are more occupied with robbing us blind before the country collapses than killing us	Oct 02 00:26
msb_	It doesn't need an army, only one assassin.	Oct 02 00:26
MinceR	i don't think i'm individually targeted	Oct 02 00:26
MinceR	only as a member of certain groups	Oct 02 00:26
MinceR	yet	Oct 02 00:26
msb_	Why not? You attack Putin in public dozens of times a day.	Oct 02 00:27
MinceR	i don't own any media outlets	Oct 02 00:27
msb_	:<MinceR> with putin, you'll rot in a gulag if you stand up against him"	Oct 02 00:27
msb_	you use this media outlet	Oct 02 00:27
MinceR	i didn't know this was a media outlet	Oct 02 00:28
MinceR	i had the impression that this was an irc channel, ignored by the masses	Oct 02 00:28
msb_	Any of the masses can access it, or it's log on the web.	Oct 02 00:28
msb_	its	Oct 02 00:28
MinceR	they don't care to, though	Oct 02 00:28
MinceR	and even if they did, they wouldn't understand any of it	Oct 02 00:29
MinceR	just as they don't understand how the devices they believe to own are really owned by someone else	Oct 02 00:29
msb_	You keep changing the subject to avoid the refutation of your nutty claims: "<MinceR> with putin, you'll rot in a gulag if you stand up against him"	Oct 02 00:30
MinceR	if you think that's nutty, read up on what putler did to his political enemies	Oct 02 00:31
MinceR	and what he did to ukrainians	Oct 02 00:31
MinceR	and read up on the organization he was a member of, and what sort of regime that he served there	Oct 02 00:32
MinceR	of course you won't understand it	Oct 02 00:32
MinceR	because if someone calls themselves "socialist", you immediately give them carte blanche to do whatever crimes against humanity they feel like doing	Oct 02 00:32
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msb_	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME!	Oct 02 00:55
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MinceR	it took you over 22 minutes to come up with that answer?	Oct 02 00:55
msb_	I have other things to do than argue with an insane person.	Oct 02 00:56
MinceR	no, apparently you don't have other things to do than to argue with a person you believe to be insane	Oct 02 00:56
MinceR	seeing how you've kept doing it for weeks, if not more	Oct 02 00:56
msb_	I spend only a fraction of my time with your insanity and lies.	Oct 02 00:58
MinceR	yeah, you spend a lot more of your time with my sanity and truths	Oct 02 00:58
MinceR	and yet more with the insanity and lies told by putin's media and his supplicants	Oct 02 00:59
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MinceR	i wonder when will this end	Oct 02 01:33
MinceR	this time it's on the Think* machines	Oct 02 01:34
cubexyz	not really unremovable unless they did something really clever	Oct 02 02:37
MinceR	it only works on winblows and it's removable	Oct 02 02:39
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msb_	MinceR: You have never come up with anything broadcast on RT that you have proved is untrue. You've called it "Putin propaganda" constantly, but it doesn't matter if it's information that Putin wants people to know AS LONG AS IT'S TRUE.	Oct 02 03:51
msb_	MinceR: And this is an extremely vicious lie: "<MinceR> because if someone calls themselves "socialist", you immediately give them carte blanche to do whatever crimes against humanity they feel like doing" I have never given anyone carte blanche to commit crimes against humanity, and you can't quote me saying it because I never have.	Oct 02 03:53
MinceR	you have promoted the actions of putin, stalin, kadhafi, etc.	Oct 02 03:54
msb_	I have promoted only CERTAIN actions of those people -- none that were crimes against humanity.	Oct 02 03:55
MinceR	none that you recognize as crimes against humanity, that is	Oct 02 03:56
MinceR	also, you seem to fail to recognize that people you condemn to be ruled by dictators you favor will not only be subject of the dictators' actions that you cherry-pick	Oct 02 03:57
msb_	Although I am not familiar with Gaddafi having done anything wrong,	Oct 02 03:57
MinceR	they will be affected by any actions the dictators choose to affect them with	Oct 02 03:57
MinceR	there's nothing wrong with running a dictatorship, right?	Oct 02 03:57
msb_	Of course there is.	Oct 02 03:58
MinceR	and yet you spare no day to advertise dictatorships here	Oct 02 03:58
MinceR	and no day goes by that you do not advocate that more territories to be annexed to dictatorships, and more people to be subjected to their rule	Oct 02 03:58
MinceR	but apparently never yourself	Oct 02 03:58
msb_	As I said very explicitly, the only territories that should be annexed by Russia are those whose people overwhelmingly wish to be. No one else.	Oct 02 03:59
MinceR	but as a standard for such, you accept an unconstitutional, fraudulent charade of a "referendum" at gunpoint, with no international observers and no accountability	Oct 02 04:00
msb_	Everything else you've said just now are vague accusations without facts.	Oct 02 04:00
MinceR	so basically anything goes as long as one of your favored dictators say the people want it.	Oct 02 04:00
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MinceR	i've already proven these points	Oct 02 04:00
MinceR	and as always, you ignored that	Oct 02 04:00
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msb_	That's one of your favorite lies: claiming you proved something when you haven't.	Oct 02 04:01
MinceR	you also make a big drama if someone dares say that an authoritarian regime is fascist	Oct 02 04:01
MinceR	apparently you love authoritarianism	Oct 02 04:01
MinceR	you haven't explained why you love authoritarianism so much, though	Oct 02 04:01
MinceR	or why you want _other_ people to be subjected to it, but not yourself	Oct 02 04:01
msb_	I love the proper use of words, because that enables us to think clearly in concepts. Authoritarianism and Fascism, while both bad, are not the same thing.	Oct 02 04:02
MinceR	your thinking is very far from clear	Oct 02 04:02
msb_	And I don't want anyone subjected to either of them.	Oct 02 04:02
MinceR	and yet you campaign for exactly that	Oct 02 04:02
msb_	Never	Oct 02 04:03
MinceR	so you do things that are opposite to your intents	Oct 02 04:03
msb_	Nope	Oct 02 04:03
MinceR	apparently you've been programmed to make things worse for yourself	Oct 02 04:03
MinceR	apparently none of the things you keep linking that allegedly help against such programming actually helped	Oct 02 04:03
msb_	I do critical thinking, and tell the truth as accurately as I know it.	Oct 02 04:03
MinceR	no, you don't	Oct 02 04:04
msb_	Did you read the CBT pamphlet?	Oct 02 04:04
MinceR	you believe all the nonsense you find anywhere and call it "critical thinking"	Oct 02 04:04
MinceR	not yet	Oct 02 04:04
msb_	Then how do you know it won't help you.	Oct 02 04:04
MinceR	will reading it reveal to me how to remove this deleterious programming from your mind?	Oct 02 04:04
msb_	No, it will reveal to you how to remove the deleterious programming from YOUR mind.	Oct 02 04:05
MinceR	i'm not the one campaigning for subjecting as many people as possible to the rule of certain fascist dictatorships	Oct 02 04:06
msb_	Albert Ellis's book helped me a lot when I was young.	Oct 02 04:06
MinceR	not enough, apparently	Oct 02 04:06
msb_	I'll say it again, for the third time: the only people who should be part of the Russian Federation are people who want to be.	Oct 02 04:07
MinceR	but you don't really care if they want to be	Oct 02 04:08
msb_	If I didn't care, I wouldn't say it.	Oct 02 04:08
MinceR	if you did, you would have researched about the guarantees for that alleged "referendum"'s correct conduction	Oct 02 04:08
MinceR	instead of just parroting the lies of the government that was its organizer and beneficiary	Oct 02 04:08
msb_	You have never given evidence that guns were held on people while they were secretly voting.	Oct 02 04:08
MinceR	we've gone over it at least twice, and it's pointless to try again	Oct 02 04:09
MinceR	you obviously have no idea how democracy works	Oct 02 04:09
MinceR	i bet you also fall for the charades the ussr and its puppet states engaged in to pretend they were democratic	Oct 02 04:09
msb_	Again, I ask you to prove your claim, and you respond with personal insults instead.	Oct 02 04:09
MinceR	like "elections" where the Party decided who may or may not run	Oct 02 04:10
MinceR	i have proven it and you ignored it	Oct 02 04:10
MinceR	you keep trying to waste everybody's time	Oct 02 04:10
MinceR	i wonder what putler hopes to gain from that	Oct 02 04:10
msb_	And now you are changing the subject, because you can't give evidence.	Oct 02 04:10
msb_	One of the US propaganda sites you cited even said that Putin conducted a private opinion poll in Crimea before the referendum was held, and it was overwhelmingly for annexation,	Oct 02 04:11
MinceR	again, who said the poll was for annexation, and with what sample	Oct 02 04:12
MinceR	you confuse informal polls with referenda	Oct 02 04:12
MinceR	just like fidesz	Oct 02 04:12
MinceR	you lack the most basic training in the foundations of modern democracy	Oct 02 04:12
msb_	The US propaganda page that you linked to.	Oct 02 04:12
MinceR	if it's a "us propaganda page", at most it can report what others said	Oct 02 04:12
MinceR	or do you think the US had observers in putler's informal poll?	Oct 02 04:13
msb_	Again, I ask you to prove your claim, and you respond with personal insults instead.	Oct 02 04:13
MinceR	sounds like something russia would love to report on...	Oct 02 04:13
MinceR	unless of course they turn up something uncomfortable to russia	Oct 02 04:13
msb_	Prove that the referendum was coerced by men with guns in the polling booths.	Oct 02 04:13
MinceR	it's really sad that the usa has failed to teach its own citizens how democracy works	Oct 02 04:13
msb_	Prove that the referendum was coerced by men with guns in the polling booths.	Oct 02 04:14
MinceR	even if i paste evidence, you'll dismiss it as us propaganda	Oct 02 04:15
msb_	And prove that RT has said something untrue.	Oct 02 04:15
MinceR	your circular reasoning serves only wasting everybody's time	Oct 02 04:16
msb_	Do it and we'll see.	Oct 02 04:16
msb_	Lame excuse for being unable to cite any proof.	Oct 02 04:16
MinceR	do you deny that crimea was under military occupation when the "poll" took place?	Oct 02 04:17
MinceR	seriously?	Oct 02 04:17
msb_	No I don't,	Oct 02 04:17
MinceR	then what the hell are you talking about?	Oct 02 04:17
MinceR	you not only do not understand democracy, you don't even understand how pressuring and threatening people works?	Oct 02 04:18
msb_	But I deny that the occupation would affect the result of a _secret_ ballot, because people could still vote as they pleased, because no one would know how they voted.	Oct 02 04:18
MinceR	the only reason no one would know how they voted is that the counts are entirely faked by the russians.	Oct 02 04:18
msb_	More personal attacks.	Oct 02 04:18
MinceR	just like in russia.	Oct 02 04:18
msb_	And how do you know that?	Oct 02 04:19
MinceR	i've heard enough about how countries like russia conduct their business.	Oct 02 04:19
MinceR	they used to be pretty flippant about it too.	Oct 02 04:19
msb_	You seem to be unable to distinguish your paranoid fantasies from facts.	Oct 02 04:19
MinceR	"It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." -- Stalin	Oct 02 04:20
MinceR	is this a paranoid fantasy too?	Oct 02 04:20
msb_	You think that your paranoid fantasies _are_ facts.	Oct 02 04:20
MinceR	no, that's you	Oct 02 04:20
msb_	Stalin is long dead.	Oct 02 04:20
MinceR	his cause isn't, though	Oct 02 04:20
msb_	What cause is that?	Oct 02 04:20
MinceR	that of brutally oppressing people	Oct 02 04:21
MinceR	and using them as slaves to the state	Oct 02 04:21
msb_	xrevan86 has not reported seeing any brutal oppression in Russia.	Oct 02 04:21
MinceR	has anyone asked him?	Oct 02 04:21
msb_	I have.	Oct 02 04:21
MinceR	what did he say?	Oct 02 04:21
msb_	He hasn't.	Oct 02 04:22
msb_	And he works for a living. He's not a slave.	Oct 02 04:22
MinceR	and from silence you deduce that everything is a-ok there	Oct 02 04:22
MinceR	you believe the usa to be worse than russia, the latter you believe to be a well-working democracy	Oct 02 04:22
MinceR	that you support	Oct 02 04:22
MinceR	so why don't you move there?	Oct 02 04:22
msb_	No, Putin is somewhat authoritarian, but isn't doing terrible harm by it.	Oct 02 04:23
MinceR	why don't you volunteer for the russian army so you can go kill ukrainians and chechens and estonians?	Oct 02 04:23
MinceR	"somewhat authoritarian"?	Oct 02 04:23
MinceR	and being authoritarian isn't doing terrible harm?	Oct 02 04:23
MinceR	are you out of your mind?	Oct 02 04:23
msb_	I have never said I believe Russia to be a well-working democracy	Oct 02 04:23
MinceR	you merely pretend it is and imply it is	Oct 02 04:23
msb_	Never.	Oct 02 04:24
MinceR	apparently you believe if you don't explicitly voice your thoughts, they can't be pointed out and criticized?	Oct 02 04:24
msb_	If I don't voice my thoughts, there's no way for you to know what they are.	Oct 02 04:25
MinceR	yeah, it isn't like something called "logic" exists	Oct 02 04:25
msb_	But I do voice them, explicitly.	Oct 02 04:25
MinceR	at least in the mind of a putin supporter, anyway	Oct 02 04:25
msb_	As I've said many times, I only support SOME things that Putin does, not ALL.	Oct 02 04:25
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MinceR	and how do you propose crimeans to be subjected only to SOME things that putin does under russian rule?	Oct 02 04:26
msb_	But you keep ignoring that and lying about me.	Oct 02 04:26
MinceR	you're either lying about your own motives or have failed to think anything through.	Oct 02 04:26
msb_	The Crimeans chose to be under Russian rule rather than Nazi rule.	Oct 02 04:26
MinceR	no, they did not choose to be under russian rule	Oct 02 04:27
MinceR	and ukrainian rule isn't as nazi as russian rule is.	Oct 02 04:27
msb_	Just like the 700,000 Ukrainian refugees who fled to Russia.	Oct 02 04:27
MinceR	the refugees the russian government reported	Oct 02 04:27
MinceR	and represented with actors	Oct 02 04:27
MinceR	but you believe that too because you love authoritarianism so much	Oct 02 04:27
msb_	The Ukrainian government was placed in power by violence by the Nazi Right-Sector and Svoboda armies. And its policies are partly dictated by them.	Oct 02 04:28
MinceR	in very small part	Oct 02 04:28
MinceR	meanwhile russian policies are entirely dictated by power-mad fascist christian fundamentalist nationalists	Oct 02 04:29
msb_	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME! I do not love authoritarianism at all.	Oct 02 04:29
MinceR	also, ex-kgb members	Oct 02 04:29
MinceR	yeah, you do not love authoritarianism, you merely want as many people to be subjected to it as possible	Oct 02 04:29
MinceR	and you are offended if it's criticized in any way	Oct 02 04:29
msb_	But actual Russian policies are not power-mad, nor fascist, nor christian fundamentalist. They are nationalist.	Oct 02 04:30
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarch_Kirill_of_Moscow#Relations_with_the_State	Oct 02 04:30
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MinceR	another link you ignored a while ago	Oct 02 04:31
msb_	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME! "<MinceR> yeah, you do not love authoritarianism, you merely want as many people to be subjected to it as possible"	Oct 02 04:31
MinceR	that's not lying, it's a summary of your campaign here	Oct 02 04:31
MinceR	if you don't want to be seen as promoting authoritarianism, perhaps you should stop promoting it.	Oct 02 04:31
MinceR	so they're radical authoritarian nationalists and yet you deny that they're fascists	Oct 02 04:32
MinceR	i wonder why	Oct 02 04:32
MinceR	and threatening the world with nuclear annihilation is not power-mad to you at all.	Oct 02 04:32
MinceR	i'm sure if the usa was doing the same you'd be foaming at the mouth	Oct 02 04:33
MinceR	unless they first named themselves "socialist" first	Oct 02 04:33
MinceR	do you also deny that putin centralized control over all of the russian state and most (if not all) of the russian economy?	Oct 02 04:33
MinceR	or have you merely failed to even consider that?	Oct 02 04:33
msb_	I never said that Putin is radical, and his authoritarianism is minor. Nationalist means that he works for the benefit of the Russian Federation,	Oct 02 04:35
msb_	None of that amounts to fascism.	Oct 02 04:35
MinceR	minor compared to whose?	Oct 02 04:35
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism	Oct 02 04:36
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MinceR	"Fascism (/fæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe."	Oct 02 04:36
msb_	As to nuclear threats, the US IS doing that, and surrounding Russia with actual nuclear weapons. Russia is not surrounding the US.	Oct 02 04:36
MinceR	the US isn't threatening to employ nuclear weapons as a response to anything other than an imminent nuclear threat	Oct 02 04:36
MinceR	russia is.	Oct 02 04:36
msb_	Putin is not radical, and his authoritarianism is comparatively minor.	Oct 02 04:36
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism	Oct 02 04:37
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MinceR	"National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism (/ˈnaːtsɪzᵊm/), is the ideology and practice associated with the 20th-century German Nazi Party and Nazi state as well as other far-right groups. Usually characterized as a form of fascism that incorporates scientific racism and anti-Semitism"	Oct 02 04:37
MinceR	he has built and is maintaining a centralized state with no independent branches of power.	Oct 02 04:37
msb_	Yes, like Svoboda and Right-Sector.	Oct 02 04:37
MinceR	he has centralized control over its economy	Oct 02 04:37
MinceR	he's strongly authoritarian, brutally suppressing freedom of speech	Oct 02 04:37
msb_	He just had to ask the Duma for permission to send requested weapons and supplies to Syria.	Oct 02 04:38
MinceR	he's conspiring with the russian orthodox church	Oct 02 04:38
MinceR	he's also a nationalist	Oct 02 04:38
MinceR	in summary, he's a fascist and a national socialist.	Oct 02 04:38
msb_	In what way? Attending Kyril's ceremony?	Oct 02 04:38
MinceR	for example, by persecuting Pussy Riot for offending that cult	Oct 02 04:39
MinceR	in exchange kirill keeps advertising putin's reign	Oct 02 04:39
msb_	He's not a socialist. He doesn't practice or advocate socialism, except for some state ownership of industries that the Russia people created until Yeltsin gave them away.	Oct 02 04:39
MinceR	in all practical implementations of socialism, "socialism" means oppression, dictatorship and centralized control of the economy.	Oct 02 04:40
MinceR	this also covers "national socialism", of course	Oct 02 04:40
msb_	Yes. Persecuting Pussy Riot was wrong.	Oct 02 04:40
MinceR	russians merely pretended they were not nationalist or imperialist	Oct 02 04:40
MinceR	in part by pretending they were "councils", not russians	Oct 02 04:41
MinceR	only shallow people don't see through such deceit.	Oct 02 04:41
MinceR	but apparently you only care about a few people prancing about with nazi symbols	Oct 02 04:41
MinceR	it's not the symbols that oppress and exterminate people.	Oct 02 04:41
MinceR	http://europe.newsweek.com/russian-communists-are-turning-christ-327487	Oct 02 04:42
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msb_	Do you realize that capitalism has led to the murders of a hundred million people, and lately the destruction of the Middle East.	Oct 02 04:42
msb_	?	Oct 02 04:42
MinceR	do you realize that "capitalism" is merely an artifact of marx's crazy and failed theories that led several economies into disaster?	Oct 02 04:43
msb_	Marx totally opposed capitalism.	Oct 02 04:43
MinceR	yeah, they invented something and then opposed it	Oct 02 04:43
MinceR	what a hero.	Oct 02 04:43
MinceR	i wonder what solace that gives to the millions of ukrainians murdered in his name.	Oct 02 04:44
msb_	You claim that Marx invented capitalism???	Oct 02 04:44
MinceR	afaik he invented and defined the term	Oct 02 04:44
MinceR	according to his own bullshit ideology	Oct 02 04:44
MinceR	and unfortunately people took it up.	Oct 02 04:44
msb_	He wrote a book called Capital. He didn't invent it.	Oct 02 04:44
MinceR	who did?	Oct 02 04:44
MinceR	as far as i can tell, those who used and promoted market economy did not apply this label to their system originally.	Oct 02 04:46
msb_	ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_capitalism	Oct 02 04:46
MinceR	i don't know that URI scheme.	Oct 02 04:47
msb_	"The history of capitalism can be traced back to early forms of merchant capitalism practiced in Western Europe during the Middle Ages.[1] It began to develop into its modern form during the Early Modern period in the Protestant countries of North-Western Europe, especially the Netherlands and England."	Oct 02 04:47
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_capitalism	Oct 02 04:47
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MinceR	the quote says nothing about who called it that.	Oct 02 04:47
MinceR	http://20committee.com/2014/12/27/putins-orthodox-jihad/	Oct 02 04:49
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msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism	Oct 02 04:50
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MinceR	could you be any less specific?	Oct 02 04:50
msb_	The term capitalist, meaning an owner of capital, appears earlier than the term capitalism. It dates back to the mid-17th century.	Oct 02 04:50
MinceR	say, you could try linking https://en.wikipedia.org/	Oct 02 04:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Oct 02 04:50
MinceR	so, is being an owner of capital the most important defining feature of market economy?	Oct 02 04:51
MinceR	i don't think it is.	Oct 02 04:51
MinceR	especially when compared to command economy, which you apparently love so much.	Oct 02 04:51
msb_	MinceR: STOP THE PERSONAL ATTACKS!	Oct 02 04:52
MinceR	(then again, you didn't have to live in a country that suffered under command economy, and still hasn't recovered from it to this day)	Oct 02 04:52
MinceR	referring to someone's message is now a personal attack?	Oct 02 04:52
MinceR	in that case, it is impossible to have a discussion.	Oct 02 04:52
msb_	Totally distorting and lying about a person's message is a personal attack, and that's what you do.	Oct 02 04:53
MinceR	no, turning the text of the message into an interpretation of it is not a personal attack, it's text comprehension	Oct 02 04:53
MinceR	(a skill you seem to be lacking)	Oct 02 04:53
MinceR	do you internally operate on character strings or are you engaging in personal attacks?	Oct 02 04:53
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_%28economics%29	Oct 02 04:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Capital (economics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nwc8h ]		Oct 02 04:54
msb_	Capital is the result of productive human action not immediately consumed but directly employed in the pursuit of additional goods. Adam Smith defines capital as "That part of a man's stock which he expects to afford him revenue is called his capital."	Oct 02 04:55
MinceR	are the means of production "capital"?	Oct 02 04:55
msb_	yes	Oct 02 04:55
MinceR	is your goal to make the means of production available to all workers?	Oct 02 04:56
msb_	but so are service institutions like hospitals	Oct 02 04:56
MinceR	is your goal to make the means of production available to all workers?	Oct 02 04:56
msb_	My goal is to make the means of production owned by all workers	Oct 02 04:57
MinceR	055041 < msb_> The term capitalist, meaning an owner of capital, appears earlier than the term capitalism. It dates back to the mid-17th century.	Oct 02 04:57
MinceR	therefore you want all workers to be capitalists	Oct 02 04:57
MinceR	yet here you are, attacking this phantasm you call "capitalism"	Oct 02 04:57
MinceR	it is quite baffling.	Oct 02 04:57
msb_	The system in which the MOP are owned by all workers is called socialism.	Oct 02 04:58
MinceR	and yet in the systems that were actually implemented and called "socialism" or "national socialism", the workers didn't own anything	Oct 02 04:58
msb_	They did/do in Venezula, Cuba, Vietnam, Nicaragua, Mondragon, and used to in Libya.	Oct 02 05:00
MinceR	no, the state did.	Oct 02 05:00
MinceR	which was controlled by a dictator.	Oct 02 05:00
msb_	In those nations, workers had/have a lot of control over industries and the state.	Oct 02 05:00
msb_	That's your distorted fantasy.	Oct 02 05:00
MinceR	is that why you can't buy toilet paper in venezuela?	Oct 02 05:00
MinceR	is that why all the economies in the eastern bloc were driven into the ground?	Oct 02 05:01
msb_	I'm sure vene	Oct 02 05:01
MinceR	you don't know, but you're "sure"	Oct 02 05:01
MinceR	that's nice	Oct 02 05:01
MinceR	and that that's all the assurance you need to promote people being subjected to a dictatorship is even nicer	Oct 02 05:02
msb_	I'm sure venezuelans are wiping their asses with something. And I did not give the eastern bloc as examples of socialism. That's YOUR crazed obsession.	Oct 02 05:02
MinceR	"i don't know, so let's just put the manacles on their feet already."	Oct 02 05:02
MinceR	you did not, but the people you admire did	Oct 02 05:02
msb_	Whom are you quoting?	Oct 02 05:03
MinceR	for example, the ussr	Oct 02 05:03
MinceR	i'm trying to follow your mental processes.	Oct 02 05:03
msb_	You are following your own insane fantasies.	Oct 02 05:03
MinceR	so history and economics that are uncomfortable to msb_ are mere fantasies	Oct 02 05:03
msb_	You keep attributing to me things I neither said nor think.	Oct 02 05:04
MinceR	to be replaced by the invented reality of marx, lenin and stalin	Oct 02 05:04
MinceR	and of course putin	Oct 02 05:04
MinceR	rushing head-on against reality and demanding that it change to fit one's wishes seems to be a common theme in today's society	Oct 02 05:04
MinceR	but i'm sure it will work out just fine in the battle of overpopulation vs. the limits of the resources available to humanity on earth	Oct 02 05:05
msb_	Ok. You're obviously going to go on with these lies about me indefinitely. Read the CBT pamphlet. Try to understand your erroneous thinking and obsessive emotions. I'm going to have dinner.	Oct 02 05:05
MinceR	or you could try learning about the stuff you keep promoting here	Oct 02 05:06
MinceR	you could read some of the articles i linked	Oct 02 05:06
msb_	I have read all of them.	Oct 02 05:06
MinceR	then you could try re-reading without singing "LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" while doing so	Oct 02 05:06
MinceR	you could think about how giving massive amounts of power over massive amounts of people to a few damaged individuals worked out for humanity	Oct 02 05:07
MinceR	whether it has ever led to anything other than disaster	Oct 02 05:07
MinceR	you could think about how democracy could possibly function, what are required for it to function	Oct 02 05:08
MinceR	(stuff like freedom of speech)	Oct 02 05:08
cubexyz	ls	Oct 02 05:08
MinceR	you could think about why the separation of church and state is vital	Oct 02 05:08
MinceR	and how fundamentalism ruins democracy and society	Oct 02 05:09
MinceR	you could think about how anyone could truly believe that a dictatorship will just give up its own power in favor of a more equal society	Oct 02 05:09
MinceR	060836 < MinceR> (stuff like freedom of speech)	Oct 02 05:19
MinceR	also, checks and balances	Oct 02 05:19
MinceR	(something russia and hungary don't have)	Oct 02 05:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "BATTLETECH has a Linux version offered	Oct 02 08:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Patches Three Critical Linux Kernel	Oct 02 08:16
TweetTuxMachines	Vulnerabilities in Ubuntu 12.04 LTS	Oct 02 08:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical's Ubuntu Edge Spawned the Current	Oct 02 08:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Sources Claim Microsoft Is Buying	Oct 02 08:23
TweetTuxMachines	Canonical-Ubuntu; Is There Logic Behind The	Oct 02 08:23
TweetTuxMachines	Rumors? http://t.co/9nJW5Okfng (techaeris.com)	Oct 02 08:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "No Background Processing for Apps" in Ubuntu	Oct 02 08:23
TweetTuxMachines	Touch Is Being Debated http://t.co/jPucHYZY3U	Oct 02 08:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Compact, low power IoT gateway runs Linux on	Oct 02 08:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines RaspEX Brings Debian 8 and Ubuntu 15.04 to	Oct 02 08:33
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TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/7yF0aX2AjF (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 02 08:33
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schestowitz	"	Oct 02 10:05
schestowitz	According to a comment posted on the IPKat site, the Vice-President in charge of the EPO Boards of Appeal (known internally as DG3) is on extended sick leave:	Oct 02 10:05
schestowitz	"The present VP3, Mr Van der Eijk, is on unlimited sick leave and thus out of function."	Oct 02 10:05
schestowitz	http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2015/09/epo-focus-of-dutch-newspaper-article.html?showComment=1443609453659#c6725331820387579393	Oct 02 10:05
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schestowitz	"	Oct 02 10:05
schestowitz	"Maybe some of your other sources know more about this ?"	Oct 02 10:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 'Sources' Claim Microsoft Is Buying	Oct 02 10:16
TweetTuxMachines	Canonical-Ubuntu; Other Ubuntu News	Oct 02 10:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch to Get Unity 8 and QtMir Updates,	Oct 02 10:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 24 Release Schedule Published, the	Oct 02 10:51
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/649898939748077568	Oct 02 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz Books survive a remarkably long time - how much of today's electronic media will be readable in 400 years time?		Oct 02 11:51
schestowitz	Depends if proprietary software is in the mix, with non-standard formats too	Oct 02 11:51
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TweetTuxMachines	Ship with Linux Mint 17.2 Cinnamon	Oct 02 11:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft-Connected Firm Net Applications Used	Oct 02 11:55
TweetTuxMachines	to Mislead About Vista 10 Share and Mock	Oct 02 11:55
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msb_	http://www.riseearth.com/2015/10/shift-your-perception-one-minute-read.html#more	Oct 02 11:57
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amonobeax	Has anybody released Microsoft's numbers on Win10?	Oct 02 12:03
msb_	Yes. It is 666.	Oct 02 12:05
amonobeax	lol	Oct 02 12:05
amonobeax	nice	Oct 02 12:05
amonobeax	seriously tho	Oct 02 12:05
schestowitz	amonobeax: hi	Oct 02 12:05
amonobeax	I keep hearing it's a big success	Oct 02 12:05
schestowitz	not Microsoft	Oct 02 12:05
schestowitz	their Hamdi or whatever exec said something	Oct 02 12:06
schestowitz	but not concrete numbers	Oct 02 12:06
schestowitz	more like an infographics	Oct 02 12:06
amonobeax	but for a company which already owns 95% of the desktop market share	Oct 02 12:06
amonobeax	I don't think this is true...	Oct 02 12:06
schestowitz	as Microsoft's Endstromm-sourced PR head (forgot his name) did re Vista 7	Oct 02 12:06
schestowitz	They always find some clever ways to lie	Oct 02 12:06
schestowitz	without giving the hard numbers	Oct 02 12:06
schestowitz	the PR man was Shaw	Oct 02 12:06
schestowitz	can't recall his first name, I know their tactics	Oct 02 12:07
schestowitz	they're PROFESSIONAL liars	Oct 02 12:07
schestowitz	how to lie without being accused as such	Oct 02 12:07
schestowitz	[12:05] <amonobeax> I keep hearing it's a big success	Oct 02 12:07
schestowitz	who from?	Oct 02 12:07
schestowitz	[12:06] <amonobeax> but for a company which already owns 95% of the desktop market share	Oct 02 12:07
amonobeax	Maybe we'll know the data when they have to talk to inverstors	Oct 02 12:07
schestowitz	not 95%	Oct 02 12:07
schestowitz	not anymore	Oct 02 12:07
schestowitz	amonobeax: no, they don't have an obligation to tell investors that	Oct 02 12:07
amonobeax	not obligation, ok, but who will invest into your company without data...	Oct 02 12:08
amonobeax	that's too dumb even for M$	Oct 02 12:08
amonobeax	I heard it from a couple of tech sites	Oct 02 12:09
msb_	Did MS automatically without charge upgrade all copies of windows 8 to windows 10?	Oct 02 12:09
amonobeax	I know Windows is auto downloading win10	Oct 02 12:10
amonobeax	but auto installing idk	Oct 02 12:10
msb_	I thought I saw that somewhere.	Oct 02 12:10
amonobeax	but it's 1 step from it really	Oct 02 12:10
amonobeax	maybe you're right then	Oct 02 12:10
msb_	If they include those automatic copies of w10, they can claim huge success even though nobody really wanted it.	Oct 02 12:11
amonobeax	true	Oct 02 12:11
amonobeax	I'm curious about what are they going to do when they have a big chunk of the market share on win10	Oct 02 12:12
msb_	Anyhow, success for microsoft is injury to humanity.	Oct 02 12:12
amonobeax	cause then they'll start closing the trap	Oct 02 12:12
msb_	But sadly, the same is true for systemd.	Oct 02 12:12
amonobeax	sry for my ignorance	Oct 02 12:13
amonobeax	don't even know what this is	Oct 02 12:13
schestowitz	microsoft can count downloads	Oct 02 12:13
schestowitz	as in, how many PCs they 'threw' the blob at	Oct 02 12:13
schestowitz	but anyway, it all boils down to definitions	Oct 02 12:13
schestowitz	that's how Microsoft always games the numbers	Oct 02 12:14
schestowitz	like claiming an enterprise eligible to 100 Vista 7 installs counts as "100 sales"	Oct 02 12:14
schestowitz	as they did at the time	Oct 02 12:14
schestowitz	they try to sell people the illusion that everyone is movin g	Oct 02 12:14
schestowitz	invoking cattle effect	Oct 02 12:14
msb_	It's a huge blob of software from Red Hat that violates Unix/Linux design/engineering principles, and which, despite being unnecessary, has been adopted by most major Linux distributions.	Oct 02 12:14
schestowitz	and then some people foolishly move/change	Oct 02 12:14
schestowitz	self-fulfilling prophecies.	Oct 02 12:15
amonobeax	awww I heard about it I guess msb_	Oct 02 12:15
amonobeax	If it's clearly harmful why distros are embracing it ?	Oct 02 12:15
msb_	The US govt is RedHat's biggest customer. Systemd may in the future provide a backdoor for the US govt to kill all Linux computers that use it.	Oct 02 12:16
amonobeax	schestowitz: what is really bothering me right now is the fact that M$ could be stealing opensource code	Oct 02 12:16
schestowitz	the distro they made?	Oct 02 12:16
amonobeax	and we can't do shit cause they are close sourced	Oct 02 12:16
msb_	That's a big question. We haven't been able to figure out the answer.	Oct 02 12:16
schestowitz	if they don't release, then gpl won't force them to	Oct 02 12:16
schestowitz	unlike agpl	Oct 02 12:17
schestowitz	if only used internally for azure	Oct 02 12:17
schestowitz	but microsoft is so secretive	Oct 02 12:17
schestowitz	that we don't know what code is used, when, how...	Oct 02 12:17
schestowitz	Microsoft has a history of GPL violations	Oct 02 12:17
schestowitz	in China and in Linux, not sure the China one was GPL	Oct 02 12:17
schestowitz	Juko?	Oct 02 12:18
schestowitz	Something like that	Oct 02 12:18
schestowitz	I forgot the company's name	Oct 02 12:18
schestowitz	I can look it up, wrote a lot about it at the time	Oct 02 12:18
amonobeax	Again msb_, if it's clear that it's harmful why the adoption ?	Oct 02 12:18
amonobeax	are distro dev's crazy?	Oct 02 12:19
amonobeax	or something	Oct 02 12:19
msb_	Bribery, threats, stupidity, are all possibilities.	Oct 02 12:19
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amonobeax	I'll read more about it	Oct 02 12:20
amonobeax	I guess I saw a video in which Linus himself say systemd was ok	Oct 02 12:21
amonobeax	so I really don't know what to think	Oct 02 12:21
msb_	All the evil that's been going on in the world. The US govt destr0ying half a dozen nations and murdering millions. There's no limit to what it may be doing secretly.	Oct 02 12:21
msb_	Linus' concern is only the kernel, and systemd is outside the kernel.	Oct 02 12:22
amonobeax	still this was his opinion on the matter	Oct 02 12:22
amonobeax	I guess it was on a Debian thingy	Oct 02 12:22
msb_	Still you would think that he and Richard Stallman would have spoken out against it. But they haven't.	Oct 02 12:23
msb_	People are working on a Debian variant called Devuan without systemd, but with up-to-date application and system software.	Oct 02 12:24
msb_	It's our best hope.	Oct 02 12:24
amonobeax	I see	Oct 02 12:24
amonobeax	isn't systemd switchable in most distros?	Oct 02 12:25
msb_	No. Not in any.	Oct 02 12:25
msb_	The initialization setup with and without it are very different.	Oct 02 12:26
schestowitz	people are afraid of criticising systemd now	Oct 02 12:26
schestowitz	it's stigmatisied with homophobia and other things now	Oct 02 12:26
amonobeax	what	Oct 02 12:27
schestowitz	even with mono there was no such stigma	Oct 02 12:27
amonobeax	homophobia, why	Oct 02 12:27
schestowitz	the only stigma was "anti-Microsoft"	Oct 02 12:27
schestowitz	because LP is a homosexual	Oct 02 12:27
amonobeax	omg...	Oct 02 12:27
schestowitz	and some people trolled him over systemd in an abusive, personal fashion	Oct 02 12:27
msb_	First time I've heard that!	Oct 02 12:27
amonobeax	I'm no tech guy	Oct 02 12:28
schestowitz	so if you don't like systemd -> you hate LP -> you're harassing homosexuals	Oct 02 12:28
amonobeax	so swtching defaults is really painful for me	Oct 02 12:28
amonobeax	I'll keep track on things tho	Oct 02 12:28
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schestowitz	IMHO, far from the first time women's right and gay/LGBT rights are exploited within FOSS	Oct 02 12:29
msb_	I've used Suse Linux for 15 years. Before this it was superbly designed. Now I'll be very sad to leave it.	Oct 02 12:29
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schestowitz	don't leave, it'll be fine	Oct 02 12:30
msb_	There's another matter that a guy here called cubexyz has explained in detail. There are secret backdoors in the BIOS of many computers that can allow the govt to come in and control them.	Oct 02 12:30
schestowitz	There are attacks on it from provocatuers who want power	Oct 02 12:30
schestowitz	Microsoft, IBM, Intel...	Oct 02 12:30
schestowitz	you can't just decide to defect because it's no longer underdog	Oct 02 12:31
schestowitz	meaning many want to dominate it and try to take it under their own (C), like Red Hat with syustemd	Oct 02 12:31
schestowitz	msb_: also HDD firmware	Oct 02 12:31
schestowitz	!google hard drive nsa	Oct 02 12:32
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - How the NSA's Firmware Hacking Works and Why It's So Unsettling ... \| http://www.wired.com/2015/02/nsa-firmware-hacking/	Oct 02 12:32
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msb_	schestowitz: If you're talking to me, I'm leaving Suse because it has been ruined with systemd.	Oct 02 12:32
schestowitz	suse works with NSA	Oct 02 12:32
schestowitz	SUSE did	Oct 02 12:32
schestowitz	SuSE	Oct 02 12:32
schestowitz	I think Novell did too, thereafter	Oct 02 12:32
schestowitz	I think that them and Red Hat worked on the build process	Oct 02 12:32
schestowitz	which inspired no confidence, quite the contrary	Oct 02 12:32
schestowitz	they can add some 90th minute one liner	Oct 02 12:32
schestowitz	!google one line X server critical hole	Oct 02 12:33
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schestowitz	should be something about a single character	Oct 02 12:33
schestowitz	in a conditional statement	Oct 02 12:33
schestowitz	not nested with " IIRC	Oct 02 12:33
schestowitz	and causing remote exploit through the frame buffer/graphics	Oct 02 12:33
schestowitz	around 2006	Oct 02 12:33
schestowitz	But it's too old to be easily locatable on the web now	Oct 02 12:34
msb_	It's something like that that I anticipate being done with systemd.	Oct 02 12:34
schestowitz	I also now struggle to find the article that says NSA works with SUSE on building the distro	Oct 02 12:34
schestowitz	SLES/D	Oct 02 12:34
schestowitz	I think I covered it and linked to it around 2007	Oct 02 12:34
schestowitz	and it was from a credible source	Oct 02 12:34
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schestowitz	so I don't trust SUSE	Oct 02 12:34
schestowitz	!google binary bridges SUSE Novell techrights	Oct 02 12:34
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schestowitz	I got mocked by some people at the time for this	Oct 02 12:35
schestowitz	It was mostly just links publicly-available at the time	Oct 02 12:35
schestowitz	well before the NSA leaks	Oct 02 12:35
schestowitz	techrights.org/2008/04/30/binary-bridges-and-security/	Oct 02 12:36
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2008/04/30/binary-bridges-and-security/	Oct 02 12:36
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msb_	Anyhow, to have a reliable computer, it's now necessary to use a Tyan motherboard with Libreboot open-source BIOS, and Devuan Linux (when it's ready).	Oct 02 12:36
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/649910151810547712	Oct 02 12:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @schestowitz @FOSSpatents thanks, weird stuff...		Oct 02 12:37
schestowitz	msb_: keep it up to date, the bios is the least among your worries if you don't	Oct 02 12:37
msb_	Of course that won't work for people who want to use a computer they already have.	Oct 02 12:37
schestowitz	and don't install any blobs	Oct 02 12:37
schestowitz	not even graphics driver from nvidia	Oct 02 12:37
schestowitz	firmware MIGHT be less harmful an addition	Oct 02 12:37
schestowitz	IIRC you used Skype?	Oct 02 12:38
schestowitz	That alone is a nasty blob	Oct 02 12:38
schestowitz	and it's now known what it does	Oct 02 12:38
msb_	Occasionally.	Oct 02 12:38
schestowitz	I don't even install Adobe Reader anymore	Oct 02 12:38
schestowitz	it tracks page flips, or used to	Oct 02 12:38
schestowitz	until caught	Oct 02 12:38
schestowitz	so you're pursuing libreboot for security, but then put Skype on top of it?	Oct 02 12:39
msb_	Does skype act as malware?	Oct 02 12:39
schestowitz	yes	Oct 02 12:40
schestowitz	for a fact	Oct 02 12:40
msb_	In what way?	Oct 02 12:40
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Skype_is_Spy_Campaign	Oct 02 12:40
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schestowitz	[05:19] <MinceR> also, checks and balances	Oct 02 12:41
schestowitz	[05:19] <MinceR> (something russia and hungary don't have)	Oct 02 12:41
schestowitz	neither do we	Oct 02 12:41
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TweetTuxMachines	Applications Used to Mislead About Vista 10	Oct 02 12:41
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schestowitz	sire overloaded atm	Oct 02 12:47
schestowitz	epo lunch break?	Oct 02 12:47
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649914425089073152 https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649914762713780224	Oct 02 12:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz @glynmoody There is no indication of MSFT being corrupt as it's merely taking advantage of the EPO's approach		Oct 02 12:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz @glynmoody I once saw a document relating to this kind of practice that listed approx. 10 companies.		Oct 02 12:52
schestowitz	Can you recall some company names?	Oct 02 12:53
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/649915641479217152 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/649915799273107457 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/649915973995249664	Oct 02 12:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: .@FOSSpatents @glynmoody Also, Bloomberg News just said #microsoft to lobby(ed) re #upc i.e. #epo so may have created this loophole for self		Oct 02 12:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: .@FOSSpatents @glynmoody And it is hard to forget you had contracts with #microsoft while/after you had attacked Microsoft's rivals		Oct 02 12:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: .@FOSSpatents @glynmoody For the time being we know of no company other than #microsoft playing back room games with #epo - so why distract?		Oct 02 12:58
msb_	I decided long ago that privacy is impossible. The govt can put a bug in my apartment, or bounce an IR laser beam off a window pane, and hear everything I say.	Oct 02 13:01
msb_	I'm sure the NSA can break PGP or any other encryption I could use.	Oct 02 13:02
msb_	I just hope the eavesdroppers will learn something from my communications.	Oct 02 13:03
*TweetTuxMachines @deusexstigma retweeted @agente_smithe: 'RT @tuxmachines: Microsoft-Connected Firm Net Applications Used to...'		Oct 02 13:06
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649917787247349760	Oct 02 13:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz @glynmoody Yesterday I declared Google the strategic winner of the patent spat with MSFT.		Oct 02 13:08
schestowitz	yes, I saw that and added to a future (to be published) draft	Oct 02 13:08
schestowitz	still recovering (catching up after) a vacation, so backlog is massive	Oct 02 13:09
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649917548016873472	Oct 02 13:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz @glynmoody I may find and share that document		Oct 02 13:09
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649918614842273792	Oct 02 13:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz @glynmoody Ask your EPO sources for this 2/16/2015 official memo: "Closer contacts with major applicants"		Oct 02 13:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 24 Release Schedule Published, the	Oct 02 13:23
TweetTuxMachines	Distro Could Arrive on May 17, 2016	Oct 02 13:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CompuLab's Mintbox 2 and Mintbox Mini PCs Now	Oct 02 13:24
TweetTuxMachines	Ship with Linux Mint 17.2 Cinnamon	Oct 02 13:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Future of Kontact https://t.co/52ZVoevMRf	Oct 02 13:29
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649925557170401280	Oct 02 13:42
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MinceR	131556 < amonobeax> If it's clearly harmful why distros are embracing it ?	Oct 02 14:41
MinceR	probably because gnome threatened to depend on it	Oct 02 14:41
MinceR	and now they do	Oct 02 14:41
MinceR	also many people fell for the new shiny crap and stared slack-jawed at the list of alleged features	Oct 02 14:42
MinceR	just like in the m$/crApple world, it doesn't matter if it works, the only things that matter are that it must be shiny and the brochure must list a ton of features	Oct 02 14:43
MinceR	https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/i-purchased-domain-googlecom-via-google-domains-sanmay-ved	Oct 02 14:45
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msb_	MinceR: I want to ask you a question. You are constantly posting about how you think Putin is going to enslave and blow up the whole world. But the actual _actions_ of the US since 2001 of destr0ying four nations by bombing and strafing, murdering millions of people, and arming tens of thousands of psychopath jihadis, creating ISIL -- that doesn't seem to bother you at all. Why is that?	Oct 02 16:03
MinceR	you have yet to prove that the US is responsible for these things. they've done plenty of real evil that's worth discussing here	Oct 02 16:03
MinceR	and is more relevant to this channel	Oct 02 16:04
MinceR	instead you focus on conspiracy theories and assume that since the US is evil and putin is opposed to it, he must be good	Oct 02 16:04
MinceR	(which does not follow)	Oct 02 16:04
msb_	MinceR: You ignored my question. You constantly post here claims about what Putin will do in the future. So you think that's relevant. Are you now saying that you don't believe that the US has invaded and destr0yed Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria?	Oct 02 16:07
MinceR	i don't know to what extent is the destruction of those countries the US's influence	Oct 02 16:08
MinceR	often they've taken down local dictatorships in the hope that it would be replaced with something better, but it wasn't	Oct 02 16:08
MinceR	and they might well have had evil intentions behind it	Oct 02 16:09
MinceR	but i mostly see speculation from you	Oct 02 16:09
MinceR	afaik ISIL filled a power vacuum too	Oct 02 16:10
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msb_	This is amazing: " <MinceR> i don't know to what extent is the destruction of those countries the US's influence" Influence??? Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya were all destr0yed by US/NATO weapons and soldiers -- nothing else. Most of Syria has been destr0yed by US bombing and tens of thousands of US-armed jihadis. You don't know that???	Oct 02 16:14
MinceR	afaik kadhafi and the ISIL are not the US	Oct 02 16:14
MinceR	and afaik the successor regimes were also not the US	Oct 02 16:14
msb_	Gaddafi didn't harm Libya. He gave the people the highest standard of living of any nation in Africa. Reagan armed and financed the Mujahideen, which became Al-Qaeda, which became ISIL. ISIL is armed with US weapons from the jihadis that the US trained as its proxies, and who defected to ISIL.	Oct 02 16:18
msb_	The successor regimes controlled those nations after the US soldiers and weapons bombed and destr0yed their infrastructure and murdered millions of their people.	Oct 02 16:20
MinceR	so if the USA fucks up and gives weapons to someone, that someone becomes part of the USA? or a representative of the USA?	Oct 02 16:20
MinceR	will they take orders from the USA? will they adopt the culture of the USA?	Oct 02 16:21
msb_	It does if the US intentionally does that over and over again.	Oct 02 16:21
MinceR	also, you keep quoting the russian government's excuses for what they do. has it ever occurred to you that the us government also has excuses for what they do?	Oct 02 16:22
msb_	But you are ignoring the initial US attacks that wrecked those countries and killed their people. Why are you ignoring that?	Oct 02 16:22
MinceR	i'm not ignoring it	Oct 02 16:22
MinceR	i was trying to point out the official reasons for them, which may or may not have been entirely honest	Oct 02 16:23
MinceR	also, libya was originally wrecked by kadhafi, afaik	Oct 02 16:23
MinceR	many other middle eastern countries were wrecked by their own local dictators	Oct 02 16:23
MinceR	interestingly when the russian government claims they're "protecting ethnic russians" when they invade ukraine or estonia, you believe that claim without any thought	Oct 02 16:24
msb_	This video tells what Gaddafi did in Libya, and shows him riding through Tripoli in an open car with the people cheering him. Please download and watch it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJURNC0e6Ek	Oct 02 16:25
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MinceR	it's on the internet, so it's got to be true!	Oct 02 16:25
MinceR	but if it doesn't agree with one's preconceptions, then it's CIA propaganda, therefore false	Oct 02 16:26
msb_	OK, I just wanted to see. If you were a US agent, your answers would be exactly the same as the ones you've given. You conceal your name, age, and e-mail address. There are several possible explanations for your bizarre ideas and behavior. I don't know which one is true.	Oct 02 16:30
MinceR	if you were a putinist troll army member, your answers would be exactly the same as the ones you've given	Oct 02 16:31
MinceR	and that also explains your bizarre obsession with conspiracy theories and total gullibility	Oct 02 16:31
msb_	But you parrot all US lying propaganda, and you post articles from sites like Radio Free Europe, which is totally run by the US govt.	Oct 02 16:31
MinceR	you parrot all russian lying propaganda, and you post articles from sites like RT, which is totally run by the russian government	Oct 02 16:32
MinceR	and you do not only support putin's russia, you also support the ussr	Oct 02 16:33
MinceR	while you claim to be opposing fascism	Oct 02 16:33
MinceR	which is ludicrous	Oct 02 16:33
msb_	The US govt claims that the 9/11 and chemtrail research are mere "conspiracy theories", which is what you say. But you have yet to point out any error in the information I've give of that research.	Oct 02 16:33
MinceR	i have pointed out several	Oct 02 16:34
MinceR	which you then ignored, of course	Oct 02 16:34
msb_	And you have yet to point out any erroneous information broadcast by RT.	Oct 02 16:34
MinceR	see above	Oct 02 16:34
MinceR	you're awfully repetitive and circular	Oct 02 16:34
MinceR	have you read about what contrails are and how they work?	Oct 02 16:35
MinceR	have you heard of occam's razor?	Oct 02 16:35
msb_	Of course. Chemtrails are far more persistent, and material that settles from them contains aluminum and barium. Chemtrails cannot possibly be contrails.	Oct 02 16:36
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MinceR	persistence depends on atmospheric conditions	Oct 02 16:37
MinceR	and i doubt you've flied there and sampled the contrails for aluminium and barium	Oct 02 16:38
msb_	I guess you have not accessed the information on http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/ even though I've given the link several times.	Oct 02 16:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geoengineeringwatch.org \| Geoengineering Watch \| Exposing the climate engineering/geoengineering cover-up		Oct 02 16:38
MinceR	people shoot a picture of contrails displaced by air currents on an air corridor and believe it's intentionally covering an area with chemicals	Oct 02 16:39
msb_	So unless I've done the analysis myself, you don't believe it. Many people have analyzed the precipitates and found aluminum and barium.	Oct 02 16:39
MinceR	people see the appearance of a contrail change as the plane passes into different conditions (temperature, humidity, etc.) and decide they must have turned a valve on or off	Oct 02 16:39
MinceR	who analyzed them and how did they gain access to them?	Oct 02 16:39
MinceR	what have they compared them to?	Oct 02 16:39
msb_	You're getting this from a US propaganda site, aren't you?	Oct 02 16:40
MinceR	is there an answer to that question that would affect your thinking in any way?	Oct 02 16:40
msb_	They put out petri dishes, and analyzed the white stuff that fell into them.	Oct 02 16:40
MinceR	also, i wonder if this is yet another case of confusing elements with chemical compounds that include them	Oct 02 16:40
MinceR	where did the "white stuff" fall into the petri dishes?	Oct 02 16:41
MinceR	and where were the petri dishes? on the ground?	Oct 02 16:41
msb_	In lots of places underneath chemtrails.	Oct 02 16:41
MinceR	so they gathered whatever the wind blew into their petri dishes	Oct 02 16:41
MinceR	and whatever was in the dishes from before	Oct 02 16:41
MinceR	didn't even care to check it against areas that were not under contrails	Oct 02 16:41
MinceR	and made up wild speculations from that	Oct 02 16:42
MinceR	how very scientific.	Oct 02 16:42
msb_	Where are you getting these "explanations" from?	Oct 02 16:42
MinceR	common sense	Oct 02 16:42
msb_	And the US govt "debunking" sites give exactly the same kind of BS.	Oct 02 16:43
MinceR	so, science is bullshit now	Oct 02 16:44
MinceR	because it gainsays what people who know nothing about contrails made up	Oct 02 16:44
MinceR	(which is far more complicated than the truth)	Oct 02 16:44
MinceR	it's a familiar pattern	Oct 02 16:44
MinceR	making up overcomplicated bullshit about stuff people don't understand, and then dismissing anything that falsifies them	Oct 02 16:44
MinceR	it's usually called religion	Oct 02 16:45
msb_	Well, MinceR, you've certainly let it all hang out in this conversation. It's a keeper!	Oct 02 16:46
MinceR	as usual, conversing with you is a waste of time	Oct 02 16:46
msb_	It's like talking to someone who, from psychosis or post-hypnotic suggestion, believes they're Napoleon, and trying to convince them that they're not. They ignore the questions, claim they've already answered them, refuse to access data proving they're not Napoleon, give BS answers that they insist answer the questions but don't.	Oct 02 16:55
MinceR	yes, talking to you is exactly like that	Oct 02 16:57
MinceR	and then you project your mental illnesses onto everybody	Oct 02 16:57
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/current-bios-situation.png	Oct 02 17:03
msb_	Should that be "AMI" instead of "AMT" ?	Oct 02 17:05
cubexyz	no	Oct 02 17:05
cubexyz	It's Intel's Active Management Technology	Oct 02 17:05
msb_	What's AMT?	Oct 02 17:05
msb_	Ah. Great picture!	Oct 02 17:06
cubexyz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Active_Management_Technology	Oct 02 17:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Intel Active Management Technology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nwgdc ]		Oct 02 17:07
cubexyz	you probably want a motherboard without AMT	Oct 02 17:07
MinceR	and you probably can't have one	Oct 02 17:08
cubexyz	evidently they are up to Intel AMT 9.0 now	Oct 02 17:12
cubexyz	Intel VPro kicks in around 2007	Oct 02 17:14
cubexyz	so if your computer is older than that you don't have it	Oct 02 17:14
cubexyz	Cory Doctorow was actually late in warning people about the attack on general purpose computing	Oct 02 17:16
cubexyz	his talk was in 2012	Oct 02 17:16
cubexyz	I can say with good confidence that there's nothing in the old BIOS to worry about up to 1999	Oct 02 17:18
cubexyz	there's no TCP/IP stack, no way to phone home	Oct 02 17:18
cubexyz	nothing bad other than the fact it's proprietary closed source	Oct 02 17:19
cubexyz	the badness in computers stems from the WIPO Copyright Treaty	Oct 02 17:21
cubexyz	e.g. making it illegal to unlock DRM	Oct 02 17:22
cubexyz	that appeared in 1996	Oct 02 17:23
cubexyz	signed in 1996, effective law in 2002	Oct 02 17:23
cubexyz	WIPO Copyright Treaty is implemented in the United States via the DMCA	Oct 02 17:24
cubexyz	http://www.pcworld.com/article/2901262/microsoft-tightens-windows-10s-secure-boot-screws-where-does-that-leave-linux.html	Oct 02 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com \| Microsoft tightens Windows 10's Secure Boot screws: Where does that leave Linux? \| PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/jzdli ]		Oct 02 17:34
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cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/generic-8088-bios.asm.txt	Oct 02 18:24
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/649997822612385792 https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/649997889368948736	Oct 02 18:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: RT @karthik_ak: more people use linux than Windows http://t.co/MnQ1TKYTIE ,and Microsoft wants to hide it		Oct 02 18:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Microsoft-Connected Firm Net Applications Used to Mislead About Vista 10 Share and Mock GNU/Linux \| Techrights		Oct 02 18:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: RT @TooShortForAnyt: Welcome to the new Microsoft. Same as the old Microsoft. http://t.co/csLFw4hpw1 I knew it was all too good to be true.		Oct 02 18:27
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649937626645049344	Oct 02 18:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz The document also lists "selected directors" that serve certain companies with backroom deals. The author's name is "J. Scott".		Oct 02 18:33
cubexyz	new computers have a microcontroller with a full network stack	Oct 02 18:34
cubexyz	not sure if this is true in every case	Oct 02 18:34
cubexyz	Intel calls this the "Management Engine"	Oct 02 18:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649937626645049344 https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649937834640584704 https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649938030787231744	Oct 02 18:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz "The lowest applicant selected, Microsoft, filed 600 applications. All in the top 12 file over 1000 ..."		Oct 02 18:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz "Many of these applicants have been chosen because of the strength of existing contacts, which will facilitate" and so forth.		Oct 02 18:35
cubexyz	the ME firmware is signed by Intel and if it doesn't verify the signature the x86 cpu will not boot	Oct 02 18:36
cubexyz	even the Purism Laptop has it	Oct 02 18:36
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649914425089073152	Oct 02 18:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz @glynmoody There is no indication of MSFT being corrupt as it's merely taking advantage of the EPO's approach		Oct 02 18:37
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649914762713780224	Oct 02 18:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz @glynmoody I once saw a document relating to this kind of practice that listed approx. 10 companies.		Oct 02 18:37
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dockernews/status/649944237732028416	Oct 02 18:37
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cubexyz	even the Purism Laptop is blob-city	Oct 02 18:38
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MinceR	http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/05/robert-farago/gang-bangers-painting-orange-tips-on-real-guns/	Oct 02 18:46
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/650004543623856129	Oct 02 18:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz EPO = institutionalized excess		Oct 02 18:50
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schestowitz	[18:36] <cubexyz> even the Purism Laptop has it	Oct 02 19:14
schestowitz	Purism is widely criticised by some as just a PR ploy	Oct 02 19:14
schestowitz	"Pure PM"	Oct 02 19:14
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/TooShortForAnyt/status/650010950888738816	Oct 02 19:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TooShortForAnyt: @dockernews @schestowitz Given Ubuntu’s bug #1 (https://t.co/n1zCkuhHax), I seriously doubt this. OTOH, it would put RedHat back on top.		Oct 02 19:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> bugs.launchpad.net \| Bug #1 (liberation) “Microsoft has a majority market share” : Bugs : Ubuntu		Oct 02 19:15
schestowitz	Rumours of MSFT buying canonical	Oct 02 19:16
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schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3n5r0o/the_microsoft_loves_linux_baloney_is_still_being/	Oct 02 19:18
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schestowitz	might reach 300 comments	Oct 02 19:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CompuLab's Mintbox 2 and Mintbox Mini PCs Now	Oct 02 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Ship with Linux Mint 17.2 Cinnamon	Oct 02 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	@whosweedugg http://t.co/fmjrzf1rON (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 02 20:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Facebook gives Android a kick in the byte code	Oct 02 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/m1cVWhz5ne (www.infoworld.com)	Oct 02 20:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 13 of the best Android apps from September	Oct 02 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/8lUMGuxJUu (thenextweb.com)	Oct 02 20:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wine Announcement https://t.co/FkyakRZcEH	Oct 02 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	(www.winehq.org) " The Wine development release	Oct 02 20:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.winehq.org \| WineHQ - Wine Announcement - The Wine development release 1.7.52 is now available.		Oct 02 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	1.7.52 is now available."	Oct 02 20:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why your Linux PC isn't vulnerable to the	Oct 02 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	devastating XOR DDoS malware	Oct 02 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/5ExM1XRSJl (www.pcworld.com)	Oct 02 20:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A look at ... game development strategy	Oct 02 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/EOWtGjT2Pq (opensource.com) "Linux	Oct 02 20:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| Interview with Battle for Wesnoth contributors Ignacio R. Morelle and Charles Dang \| Opensource.com		Oct 02 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	and the numerous GNU packages is what really	Oct 02 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	piqued my interest"	Oct 02 20:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro 15.09 "Bellatrix" Gets Its Fist Update	Oct 02 20:14
TweetTuxMachines	with Lots of New Packages	Oct 02 20:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/RJRHqUFb85 (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 02 20:14
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wood Kubb Is a Small and Powerful PC Made from	Oct 02 20:14
TweetTuxMachines	Wood and with Linux Mint http://t.co/TOWgMNPSR7	Oct 02 20:14
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Anniversary of First Linux Kernel Release: A	Oct 02 20:14
TweetTuxMachines	Look at Collaborative Value	Oct 02 20:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/sh9QVRS7cB (www.linux.com)	Oct 02 20:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com \| Anniversary of First Linux Kernel Release: A Look at Collaborative Value \| Linux.com		Oct 02 20:14
tessier	schestowitz: Saw your story highly upvoted on /r/linux. Congrats!	Oct 02 21:09
gde33\|2	https://twitter.com/Snowden	Oct 02 21:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Debian dropping the Linux Standard Base	Oct 02 21:27
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/FQfLnUigR7 (lwn.net)	Oct 02 21:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google Chromebooks: The most popular classroom	Oct 02 21:27
TweetTuxMachines	computing device http://t.co/FA1D8jgxk5	Oct 02 21:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 1500 Games on Steam for Linux and Almost 1% of	Oct 02 21:27
TweetTuxMachines	the User Base http://t.co/1lfms3N0xg	Oct 02 21:27
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msb_	cubexyz: The Purism website says they are decoding the management engine: https://puri.sm/posts/weekly-update-on-librem-15-rev2-production-2015-09-11/	Oct 02 21:40
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msb_	cubexyz: Their site says they have no binary blobs but you say they do?	Oct 02 21:40
cubexyz	well they have made some progress on the Management Engine	Oct 02 21:43
cubexyz	but the cpu won't boot without it	Oct 02 21:43
msb_	They say they are working on "unlocking" it.	Oct 02 21:45
cubexyz	eventually someone will reverse engineer the blobs	Oct 02 21:45
cubexyz	it's been done before	Oct 02 21:45
msb_	The bios blobs for the ME?	Oct 02 21:45
cubexyz	there's also the microcode	Oct 02 21:46
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msb_	I guess they want to turn off the ME after the cpu boots.	Oct 02 21:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fairphone launches v2 of it conflict-free,	Oct 02 21:47
TweetTuxMachines	upgradeable smartphone http://t.co/joUEIbMPvI	Oct 02 21:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hands on: Google Pixel C convertible tablet	Oct 02 21:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google announces the LG Nexus 5X and Huawei	Oct 02 21:47
TweetTuxMachines	Nexus 6P; pre-orders start today	Oct 02 21:47
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ePHEdHiGGx (arstechnica.com)	Oct 02 21:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Google announces the LG Nexus 5X and Huawei Nexus 6P; pre-orders start today \| Ars Technica		Oct 02 21:47
msb_	Why don 't they use an AMD cpu?	Oct 02 21:48
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schestowitz	tessier: thanks	Oct 02 21:52
schestowitz	the server handled it quite well	Oct 02 21:52
schestowitz	even with many EPI staff rushing to read other exclusive articles	Oct 02 21:53
schestowitz	*EPO	Oct 02 21:53
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/meneer/status/650002173263265792	Oct 02 21:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@meneer: Uhhhhuhhhuhhh :-/ https://t.co/CIyDkdkpka		Oct 02 21:53
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/gonzalosangil/status/650054373809090560	Oct 02 22:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google announces the new Chromecast and	Oct 02 22:17
TweetTuxMachines	Chromecast Audio http://t.co/xq5qkKEapl	Oct 02 22:17
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Epic Games Releases Unreal Engine 4.9.2 Hotfix	Oct 02 22:17
TweetTuxMachines	to Patch over 20 Issues http://t.co/qx7kgHZS2R	Oct 02 22:17
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Antivirus Live CD Now Based on ClamAV 0.98.7	Oct 02 22:17
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Y08ZeBpAey (linux.softpedia.com)	Oct 02 22:17
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwiqy	Oct 02 22:17
schestowitz	https://opensource.com/life/15/10/the-power-of-why	Oct 02 22:47
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schestowitz	"ah! :like"	Oct 02 22:47
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6658525	Oct 02 22:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Manjaro 15.09 "Bellatrix" Gets Its Fist Update with Lots of New Packages http://news.softpedia.com/news/manjaro-15-09-bellatrix-gets-its-fist-update-with-lots-of-new-packages-493457.shtml		Oct 02 22:50
schestowitz	"I don't know what a Fist update is but, it sounds painful... :P"	Oct 02 22:50
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu's Mir Display Server Reaches Version	Oct 02 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	0.16 with Mir-on-X Refinements, More	Oct 02 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ABd20WRs57 (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 02 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwiz8	Oct 02 22:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Patents and Peace: Are the Microsoft-Linux Wars	Oct 02 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	Over? http://t.co/l4kTgeJdMZ	Oct 02 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 02 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwiza	Oct 02 22:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux.Wifatch http://t.co/MTyrkPOEn8	Oct 02 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 02 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwizd	Oct 02 22:52
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msb_	Jesse Ventura on RT right now!	Oct 02 23:03
msb_	Lawrence Lessig on now!	Oct 02 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Recalbox Raspberry Pi Retro Gaming	Oct 02 23:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/VvZzthnERk (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 02 23:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwj2s	Oct 02 23:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Ubuntu http://t.co/ZkoN5rkT4L	Oct 02 23:09
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 02 23:09
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwj2t	Oct 02 23:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Seize the opportunity to explain open source	Oct 02 23:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/4iZIIlhgpW (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 02 23:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwj2u	Oct 02 23:10
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cubexyz	if you brick the X60 thinkpad it's a total pain in the butt unbricking it	Oct 02 23:12
cubexyz	now I see how difficult it is	Oct 02 23:13
cubexyz	Lenovo BIOS had a whitelist for wifi cards	Oct 02 23:14
cubexyz	so if you manage to get coreboot on it you can use any wifi chipset	Oct 02 23:15
cubexyz	everything works except IRDA and the internal modem	Oct 02 23:15
cubexyz	not to bad as almost no one uses either one nowadays	Oct 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Watch: Canonical Showing Off the Latest Unity 8	Oct 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	Interface for Ubuntu Phone	Oct 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Gqkr4cZUo3 (linux.softpedia.com)	Oct 02 23:16
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwj4f	Oct 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Recalbox Raspberry Pi Retro Gaming	Oct 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/SAOaMBgj8h (freedompenguin.com)	Oct 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwj4h	Oct 02 23:16
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cubexyz	X60 -> 4/10 for ease of dis-assembly	Oct 02 23:17
cubexyz	X60 -> 9/10 for coreboot support	Oct 02 23:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Linux Kernel to Celebrate Its 24th Birthday	Oct 02 23:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/oj4j0RdmJw (linux.softpedia.com)	Oct 02 23:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwj5s	Oct 02 23:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Linux Kernel to Celebrate Its 24th Birthday	Oct 02 23:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/oj4j0QVLkW (linux.softpedia.com)	Oct 02 23:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwj5t	Oct 02 23:20
cubexyz	pretty much all laptops suck for taking them apart	Oct 02 23:27
cubexyz	you have to completely take the X60 apart to get to the flashromo	Oct 02 23:27
cubexyz	flashrom	Oct 02 23:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kali Linux: Why Aren’t We Arguing More about Mr	Oct 03 00:15
TweetTuxMachines	Robot? https://t.co/6thxDkLg0M (hackaday.com)	Oct 03 00:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 2/10/2015: #Qubes 3.0, Linux.Wifatch	Oct 03 00:15
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TweetTuxMachines	#techrights	Oct 03 00:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android and Google Leftovers	Oct 03 00:15
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/dRy2uqVriH (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 00:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwjhh	Oct 03 00:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/EIXZlRBCyb	Oct 03 00:51
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwjoo	Oct 03 00:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/ZmnZahbDyH	Oct 03 00:51
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 00:51
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwjop	Oct 03 00:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/5AboY2reOm	Oct 03 00:51
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwjor	Oct 03 00:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/L2VNLt4LAC	Oct 03 00:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Nest Labs advances its Weave home automation	Oct 03 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	ecosystem http://t.co/lPxRCprP2c	Oct 03 01:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Nest Labs advances its Weave home automation ecosystem \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwjv9	Oct 03 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Headless box-PC has six GbE ports, runs Linux	Oct 03 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	on G-Series http://t.co/QYMvgJJaz4	Oct 03 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwjva	Oct 03 01:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Adblock Plus and (a little) more	Oct 03 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/R1GiKRStdu (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwjvb	Oct 03 01:26
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*TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Headless box-PC has six GbE ports, runs Linux...'		Oct 03 02:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Default Wallpapers of Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily	Oct 03 02:58
TweetTuxMachines	Werewolf) - Gallery http://t.co/DhITeQORXJ	Oct 03 02:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 02:58
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwkel	Oct 03 02:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines [Wallpapers] Tizen Themed Samsung Gear S2	Oct 03 02:58
TweetTuxMachines	Backgrounds – Vol 1 http://t.co/q1A3AuPRWk	Oct 03 02:58
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwkem	Oct 03 02:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KaOS 2015.10 http://t.co/BzYZWk7nyu	Oct 03 02:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 02:58
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwken	Oct 03 02:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Art of Communicating with LKML	Oct 03 02:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ce9gJ08cC7 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 02:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwkeo	Oct 03 02:58
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/650081891861835776	Oct 03 06:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz Google should counter that somehow, MS Office is a direct competitor to Google docs and is entering Android space with		Oct 03 06:15
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/650082262277562368	Oct 03 06:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz Unethical practices and shaddy deals. Those MS moves do harm Google from inside.		Oct 03 06:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Antergos 2015.09 review http://t.co/4IAcVGvZOg	Oct 03 09:18
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwmls	Oct 03 09:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Antergos 2015.09 review http://t.co/x82pJzHiLc	Oct 03 12:23
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxbsdos.com)	Oct 03 12:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwnji	Oct 03 12:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxbsdos.com \| Antergos 2015.09 review: Cinnamon & GNOME 3 \| LinuxBSDos.com		Oct 03 12:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Art of Communicating with #LKML	Oct 03 12:23
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/6tWjx8LcTx (www.labbott.name)	Oct 03 12:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.labbott.name \| Something witty/insightful		Oct 03 12:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwnjj	Oct 03 12:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KaOS 2015.10 http://t.co/8ei160jyOd (kaosx.us)	Oct 03 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwnk1	Oct 03 12:25
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines “Last year I built a new derby track … I used a	Oct 03 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	RaspberryPi with Pidora on it to run the timing	Oct 03 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	system.” http://t.co/M702iXERET	Oct 03 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.jaddog.org)	Oct 03 12:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jaddog.org \| JADDOG » Blog Archive » OpenDerby Update		Oct 03 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwnk2	Oct 03 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines [Wallpapers] Tizen Themed Samsung Gear S2	Oct 03 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	Backgrounds – Vol 1 http://t.co/dr6u2SeIlY	Oct 03 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tizenexperts.com)	Oct 03 12:26
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwnk4	Oct 03 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Launches Pilot for Ubuntu Touch, Adds	Oct 03 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	10 New Wallpapers to Ubuntu 15.10	Oct 03 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/t6yLGhb7Jh (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 03 12:26
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwnk8	Oct 03 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Default Wallpapers of Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily	Oct 03 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	Werewolf) - Gallery http://t.co/SxRivsPPuV	Oct 03 12:26
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwnka	Oct 03 12:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Headless box-PC has six GbE ports, runs Linux	Oct 03 12:27
TweetTuxMachines	on G-Series http://t.co/OTq5rwQP8G	Oct 03 12:27
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwnkb	Oct 03 12:27
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schestowitz	>>> old:	Oct 03 13:35
schestowitz	>>> >>	Oct 03 13:35
schestowitz	>>> >> http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-positive-reddit-comments-2013-6	Oct 03 13:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com \| Microsoft Positive Reddit Comments - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/nwnrx ]		Oct 03 13:35
schestowitz	>> >	Oct 03 13:35
schestowitz	>> >	Oct 03 13:35
schestowitz	>> > watch what Microsoft boosters did here: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3n5r0o/the_microsoft_loves_linux_baloney_is_still_being/	Oct 03 13:35
schestowitz	> Yes, though they seem to have less impact than years past. I notice M$	Oct 03 13:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com \| The ‘Microsoft Loves Linux’ Baloney is Still Being Floated in the Media While Microsoft Attacks Linux With Patents, New Lawsuits Reported : linux [ http://ur1.ca/nwcx1 ]		Oct 03 13:35
schestowitz	> guys like Jo Shields (presumably since his common handle is there)	Oct 03 13:35
schestowitz	> whining. I notice they're now more about going ad hominem, and are	Oct 03 13:35
schestowitz	> without a rebuttal to the actual argument. So, keep up the good work.	Oct 03 13:35
schestowitz	This threat was relatively GOOD. When my items are in Reddit there are usually personal attacks (my longtime foes) within just a few hours, if not minutes...	Oct 03 13:35
schestowitz	There are people out there who don't want me to have a voice and for my site to gain no visibility anywhere, unless perhaps it's Tux machines...	Oct 03 13:35
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cubexyz	I don't think even now people realize how deeply Microsoft has it's hooks into computers	Oct 03 14:07
cubexyz	it's not fully apparent until you look at the BIOS source code	Oct 03 14:11
cubexyz	to a large degree the PC is a Windows/Microsoft PC	Oct 03 14:11
cubexyz	the only way to run around that is a difficult task: to learn how to program at the register level	Oct 03 14:14
cubexyz	got to blame the motherboard manufacturers for this too	Oct 03 14:24
cubexyz	and the chip manufacturers... no data sheets for a lot of chips	Oct 03 14:24
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/unorigmoniker/status/650295617923649536	Oct 03 14:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@unorigmoniker: Well that's a big "no shit". A totalitarian oligarchy. Welcome to America! Now go home. https://t.co/7B7lPdQ21K		Oct 03 14:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Former #NSA Tech Director Says US Has Become A #Totalitarian State http://t.co/5TU0vQuDxx Bill #binney		Oct 03 14:33
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/unorigmoniker/status/650296122146074625	Oct 03 14:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@unorigmoniker: Sadly, @BBCNews is being controlled by @GCHQ_UK. It's nothing more than the political mouthpiece for Downing St. https://t.co/BhVFq9fcBY		Oct 03 14:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #bbc repeating unsubstantiated lie: "Mr @Snowden is believed to have downloaded 1.7 million secret documents" http://t.co/N0Jfhcotpf		Oct 03 14:34
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/650299277147828224	Oct 03 14:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz How convenient to blame a dead man.		Oct 03 14:35
schestowitz	was he not steering the plane to the ground?	Oct 03 14:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/650303438664896512	Oct 03 14:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Actually not. He started a descent and for unknown reasons he didn't stop it.		Oct 03 14:43
schestowitz	And locked the door, shutting out the Captain?	Oct 03 14:43
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/650305603877912576	Oct 03 14:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Yes, that's what smells fishiest here. Still not enough evidence to sentence him in a court of law.		Oct 03 14:48
cubexyz	worth a read for historical reasons... foreshadowing what was to come:	Oct 03 14:55
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/650308284604416002	Oct 03 14:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz but, but....what about that "designed in California" thingie, Doctor? Shouldn't that count??😉		Oct 03 14:56
cubexyz	http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/03/10/03/2127213/microsoft-taking-over-the-bios	Oct 03 14:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hardware.slashdot.org \| Microsoft Taking Over the BIOS - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/nwogo ]		Oct 03 14:56
schestowitz	Like K-Swiss?	Oct 03 14:56
cubexyz	I'm emailing all the manufacuters I can think of, asking for BIOS source code	Oct 03 14:59
cubexyz	I'll post the results here in a few days	Oct 03 14:59
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/650309511455096832	Oct 03 15:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz aren't their sneakers the very embodiment of Swiss precision and perfection??		Oct 03 15:05
schestowitz	Well, it says designed in California, that's almost their motto	Oct 03 15:05
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schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6660908	Oct 03 15:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Fiorina "suggested that there were greater government threats to privacy than NSA" http://fortune.com/2015/09/30/carly-fiorina-nsa-spying/ OF COURSE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hewlett-Packard_spying_scandal		Oct 03 15:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> fortune.com \| Carly Fiorina: No Regrets Enabling NSA Spying - Fortune [ http://ur1.ca/nwole ]		Oct 03 15:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> en.wikipedia.org \| Hewlett-Packard spying scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nwolf ]		Oct 03 15:17
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/boiling-frog.txt	Oct 03 15:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Nest Labs advances its Weave home automation	Oct 03 15:35
TweetTuxMachines	ecosystem http://t.co/y75YnP2odl	Oct 03 15:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Nest Labs advances its Weave home automation ecosystem · LinuxGizmos.com		Oct 03 15:35
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Oct 03 15:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwop8	Oct 03 15:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Blackphone: privacy-obsessed smartphone aims to	Oct 03 15:35
TweetTuxMachines	broaden its appeal http://t.co/NbRgHJgOPB	Oct 03 15:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| Blackphone: privacy-obsessed smartphone aims to broaden its appeal \| Technology \| The Guardian		Oct 03 15:35
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theguardian.com)	Oct 03 15:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwop9	Oct 03 15:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "feel good being KDE user since 2005.	Oct 03 16:10
TweetTuxMachines	Officially I started coding / contributing to	Oct 03 16:10
TweetTuxMachines	minor stuff in KDE in 2010."	Oct 03 16:10
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/a8dk7BzPFE	Oct 03 16:10
TweetTuxMachines	(siddharthkde.wordpress.com)	Oct 03 16:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-siddharthkde.wordpress.com \| Randa Meetings update \| KDE		Oct 03 16:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwoyv	Oct 03 16:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Linux i3 15.09 Officially Released,	Oct 03 16:10
TweetTuxMachines	Brings Calamares and Linux Kernel 4.1	Oct 03 16:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/pIK5Q6xpo2 (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 03 16:10
TweetTuxMachines	#lxde too http://t.co/ppouZ0jvoL	Oct 03 16:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Manjaro Linux i3 15.09 Officially Released, Brings Calamares and Linux Kernel 4.1 - Softpedia		Oct 03 16:10
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Oct 03 16:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Manjaro Linux LXDE 15.09 Community Edition Has Linux Kernel 4.1.8 LTS, AUR Support - Softpedia		Oct 03 16:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwoyw	Oct 03 16:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Network Security Toolkit Is Now Based on Fedora	Oct 03 16:11
TweetTuxMachines	22, Powered by Linux Kernel 4.1.7	Oct 03 16:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/yG4lGLX2Ai (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 03 16:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwoyy	Oct 03 16:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Network Security Toolkit Is Now Based on Fedora 22, Powered by Linux Kernel 4.1.7 - Softpedia		Oct 03 16:11
schestowitz	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=September-15-Interest	Oct 03 16:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Google, Linux 4.3, & Mesa 11 Won Over September - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/nwp0r ]		Oct 03 16:17
schestowitz	"all written by your's truly. "	Oct 03 16:17
schestowitz	typo	Oct 03 16:17
schestowitz	or just error	Oct 03 16:17
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/karthik_ak/status/650329692516429826	Oct 03 16:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@karthik_ak: @schestowitz nice to meet you on twitter, any way hope diaspora succeeds		Oct 03 16:22
schestowitz	it has had capacity issues recently; can't even get other people's stuff to show up in the stream	Oct 03 16:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Linux i3 15.09 Officially Released,	Oct 03 16:35
TweetTuxMachines	Brings Calamares and Linux Kernel 4.1	Oct 03 16:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/3j5KU5irVq (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 16:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwp5d	Oct 03 16:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Manjaro Linux i3 15.09 Officially Released, Brings Calamares and Linux Kernel 4.1 \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 16:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Network Security Toolkit Is Now Based on Fedora	Oct 03 16:36
TweetTuxMachines	22, Powered by Linux Kernel 4.1.7	Oct 03 16:36
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TlsGdrQFXD (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 16:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwp5e	Oct 03 16:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Network Security Toolkit Is Now Based on Fedora 22, Powered by Linux Kernel 4.1.7 \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 16:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mesa 10.6.9 Released, Marks The End Of The	Oct 03 16:36
TweetTuxMachines	Line: Upgrade To Mesa 11 http://t.co/dbViHxgqyi	Oct 03 16:36
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Oct 03 16:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Mesa 10.6.9 Released, Marks The End Of The Line: Upgrade To Mesa 11 - Phoronix		Oct 03 16:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwp5f	Oct 03 16:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Pipe dream – Debian GNU/Hurd 8 Review	Oct 03 17:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Z5PB8CvPUB (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 17:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwphf	Oct 03 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Pipe dream – Debian GNU/Hurd 8 Review \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 17:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Make Ubuntu Look Like Mac With the Gela Theme	Oct 03 17:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/hS3KFXoSVF (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 17:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwphg	Oct 03 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Make Ubuntu Look Like Mac With the Gela Theme \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 17:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Unofficial Linux Kernel 4.2.2 Now Available for	Oct 03 17:26
TweetTuxMachines	Slackware 12.0 and Its Derivatives	Oct 03 17:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/BiSpkSa5Z1 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 17:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwphh	Oct 03 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Unofficial Linux Kernel 4.2.2 Now Available for Slackware 12.0 and Its Derivatives \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 17:26
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/650348476811870208 https://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/650348678650138624	Oct 03 17:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz 1 of 2 - they have a certain logic. As an ex-professional soldier, I know what firearms do. You don't see ex-soldiers in UK		Oct 03 17:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz 2 of 2 - running amok and shooting people. Education is a good thing (tm) which obviously doesn't happen in US...		Oct 03 17:39
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cubexyz	the world is crazy	Oct 03 18:11
cubexyz	sometimes I think I'm in the wrong dimension or something	Oct 03 18:11
MinceR	i know i'm in the wrong plane of existence	Oct 03 18:12
TweetTuxMachines	@Group4Networks Cloud Desktop is out! http://t.co/mOa0xPjLsk	Oct 03 18:13
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by (paper.li) Stories via @tuxmachines @lschmeiser	Oct 03 18:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li \| Cloud Desktop		Oct 03 18:13
TweetTuxMachines	@JoanieMann @JoanieMann	Oct 03 18:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwptr	Oct 03 18:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Unofficial Linux Kernel 4.2.2 Now Available for	Oct 03 18:13
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Slackware 12.0 and Its Derivatives	Oct 03 18:13
TweetTuxMachines	@vorelp http://t.co/BiSpkSa5Z1 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 18:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwptu	Oct 03 18:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android fans have yet another reason to cheer	Oct 03 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	Motorola http://t.co/eEUAOjAK4d	Oct 03 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwq1v	Oct 03 18:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android fans have yet another reason to cheer Motorola \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.2.3 http://t.co/Cpm5RfPziB	Oct 03 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwq1w	Oct 03 18:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux 4.2.3 \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Third Alpha Build of Kodi 16 Media Center Adds	Oct 03 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	Long-Press Support for Remotes	Oct 03 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Iy5sq1usBp (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwq1y	Oct 03 18:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Third Alpha Build of Kodi 16 Media Center Adds Long-Press Support for Remotes \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 18:48
cubexyz	a lot of the microsoft guys were psychos	Oct 03 19:17
cubexyz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/03/19/microsoft_killed_dell_linux_states/	Oct 03 19:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Microsoft ‘killed Dell Linux’ – States • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/nwq7o ]		Oct 03 19:17
cubexyz	remember that name: Joachim Kempin	Oct 03 19:19
cubexyz	convicted of illegally shooting antelope	Oct 03 19:19
cubexyz	enemy of Linux, and all-round Microsoft psycho	Oct 03 19:19
cubexyz	at least he's retired now	Oct 03 19:20
cubexyz	and more's the pity, a former DEC employee	Oct 03 19:20
cubexyz	he retires after the 2002 Microsoft anti-trust trial	Oct 03 19:21
cubexyz	Kempin was an abuser... he even abused IBM	Oct 03 19:24
cubexyz	good riddance	Oct 03 19:24
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/google-catching-up-to-microsoft.txt	Oct 03 19:33
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6662018	Oct 03 19:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mettaben@joindiaspora.com:		Oct 03 19:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Photo by mettaben@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_39191fabf289c52316a6.jpg		Oct 03 19:35
schestowitz	cubexyz: yeah	Oct 03 19:36
schestowitz	I never forgot	Oct 03 19:36
schestowitz	esp. when people all spoke i harmony about "Cecil"	Oct 03 19:36
cubexyz	finally in 2015 I could buy a PC not gummed up with Microsoft crap	Oct 03 19:39
cubexyz	Jim Cecil?	Oct 03 19:44
cubexyz	what's the story? :)	Oct 03 19:44
cubexyz	I guess I have to give some kudos to HP	Oct 03 19:46
cubexyz	finally they did something good	Oct 03 19:46
cubexyz	don't get me wrong, they did a ton of bad things	Oct 03 19:47
cubexyz	but credit where credit is due	Oct 03 19:47
cubexyz	msb_, note there is no Vpro Technology on chromebook	Oct 03 19:52
cubexyz	another advantage	Oct 03 19:52
msb_	But runs at 1/3 the MIPS speed of current cheap CPUs. Huge disadvantage.	Oct 03 19:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Ships Plasma 5.4.2, bugfix Release for	Oct 03 20:02
TweetTuxMachines	October http://t.co/ykQGc69g5I	Oct 03 20:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 20:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwqgk	Oct 03 20:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDE Ships Plasma 5.4.2, bugfix Release for October \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 20:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Lightworks: A Professional Video Editor	Oct 03 20:02
TweetTuxMachines	Available for Ubuntu/Linux Mint/Fedora	Oct 03 20:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/RlTYr7RnHy (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 20:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwqgl	Oct 03 20:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Lightworks: A Professional Video Editor Available for Ubuntu/Linux Mint/Fedora \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 20:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines RapidDisk / RapidCache 3.4 now available.	Oct 03 20:03
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/zV4lOcM5pp (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 20:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwqgm	Oct 03 20:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| RapidDisk / RapidCache 3.4 now available. \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 20:03
cubexyz	msb_, there's two things:	Oct 03 20:12
cubexyz	if I buy an ATX motherboard what will the firmware be like, and I have no firmware source... zip	Oct 03 20:12
cubexyz	also what about AMD FX-8350 for laptop? Does it even exist?	Oct 03 20:12
cubexyz	Suns had Openfirmware at least	Oct 03 20:13
cubexyz	systems are getting _more_ closed in many cases	Oct 03 20:15
msb_	I wonder if it's possible to defeat the AMT by overwriting the RAM it uses?	Oct 03 20:30
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AnarchistDalek/status/650391566054350848	Oct 03 20:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AnarchistDalek: @schestowitz @Snowden Probably safe to assume that IF telecom THEN complicit		Oct 03 20:38
schestowitz	The 'smoking gun' would aid legal case, hence stop the complicity and the collusion between telecom and Deep State	Oct 03 20:38
MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/6zYjWHl.gifv	Oct 03 21:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com \| Imgur		Oct 03 21:09
MinceR	speaking of 'smoking'	Oct 03 21:10
msb_	Cute. VW is never going to live this down!	Oct 03 21:12
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/650404565054025728	Oct 03 21:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz Never been sure whether i should start using or not. Always feel uncomfortable trusting a new service.		Oct 03 21:29
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ciberado/status/650408494932324352	Oct 03 21:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ciberado: Esto va a ahorrar tanto tiempo... https://t.co/4wrQwClhJp		Oct 03 21:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Facebook will now be able to show you ads based on the porn you watch http://t.co/5MSX93pavM #facebook makes dossiers, sells them		Oct 03 21:36
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/650411197649432576	Oct 03 21:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz that's... Hilarious.		Oct 03 21:45
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6660908	Oct 03 21:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post?		Oct 03 21:49
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/650415742328918016	Oct 03 22:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz epomustgo?		Oct 03 22:05
schestowitz	I was thinking along the lines of #intelExit http://www.ibtimes.com.au/intelexit-campaign-asks-nsa-gchq-employees-quit-jobs-1470570 http://www.allgov.com/news/unusual-news/german-group-offers-support-services-to-help-disillusioned-members-of-nsa-get-out-of-the-spy-business-151002?news=857549	Oct 03 22:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.com.au \| Intelexit campaign asks NSA and GCHQ employees to quit jobs [ http://ur1.ca/nwr64 ]		Oct 03 22:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.allgov.com \| Unusual News - German Group Offers Support Services to Help Disillusioned Members of NSA Get Out of the Spy Business - AllGov - News [ http://ur1.ca/nwr65 ]		Oct 03 22:05
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/650416817370963969	Oct 03 22:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz or the stallman call?		Oct 03 22:08
schestowitz	2008 speech?	Oct 03 22:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Data indicates that Android picked up global	Oct 03 22:17
TweetTuxMachines	market share from iOS last month	Oct 03 22:17
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/QqZaV6Kipe (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 22:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwr82	Oct 03 22:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Data indicates that Android picked up global market share from iOS last month \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 22:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Ships Plasma 5.4.2, bugfix Release for	Oct 03 22:17
TweetTuxMachines	October https://t.co/4d4EpW8TIf (www.kde.org)	Oct 03 22:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwr83	Oct 03 22:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kde.org \| KDE - KDE Ships Plasma 5.4.2, bugfix Release for October		Oct 03 22:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.2.3 http://t.co/42Uo1Jw9sp (lwn.net)	Oct 03 22:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lwn.net \| Linux 4.2.3 [LWN.net]		Oct 03 22:22
TweetTuxMachines	Linux 4.1.10 http://t.co/tkuPz37tva (lwn.net)	Oct 03 22:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lwn.net \| Linux 4.1.10 [LWN.net]		Oct 03 22:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwr9a	Oct 03 22:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Blackphone 2: NSA-thwarting Android smartphone	Oct 03 22:22
TweetTuxMachines	goes on sale http://t.co/MbqKFTFOIG	Oct 03 22:22
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theinquirer.net)	Oct 03 22:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwr9b	Oct 03 22:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theinquirer.net \| Blackphone 2: NSA-thwarting Android smartphone goes on sale- The Inquirer		Oct 03 22:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Party Hard, A Stealth Strategy Game Is Now On	Oct 03 22:22
TweetTuxMachines	Linux, Looks Interesting	Oct 03 22:22
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/LoSpdBgc16 (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Oct 03 22:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwr9g	Oct 03 22:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Party Hard, A Stealth Strategy Game Is Now On Linux, Looks Interesting \| GamingOnLinux		Oct 03 22:22
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/650420551291404292	Oct 03 22:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz yop. Loved the applauds. At the beginning it sounds a bit radical, but now with all the EPO scandals it does not.		Oct 03 22:23
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jagedn/status/650420760385859585	Oct 03 22:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jagedn: @ciberado @schestowitz menos mal que no uso libro cara sino me iban a freír a publi		Oct 03 22:24
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msb_	Hilarious! Download with VideoDownloadHelper: http://www.rt.com/shows/redacted-tonight-summary/317503-big-pharma-homelessness-media/	Oct 03 23:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com \| Eliminating Big Pharma, homelessness, & media monopolies - Sound Good? RT — Redacted Tonight [ http://ur1.ca/nwrpu ]		Oct 03 23:50
cubexyz	redacted?	Oct 03 23:51
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msb_	3 good anime's coming on Cartoon Network in 3 minutes	Sep 27 10:26
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cubexyz	you know what Bell Labs experts said to Unix newbies?	Sep 27 11:08
cubexyz	"Go fsck yourself"	Sep 27 11:08
cubexyz	it wasn't meant as a curse	Sep 27 11:09
cubexyz	it meant "go and correct your issue" (attitude, ignorance)	Sep 27 11:09
cubexyz	roughly speaking "go fix yourself"	Sep 27 11:09
cubexyz	file system consistency check	Sep 27 11:10
msb_	Probably meant a little of both.	Sep 27 12:00
msb_	In the BOFH tradition.	Sep 27 12:04
cubexyz	sounds ficticous	Sep 27 12:11
cubexyz	fictitious even	Sep 27 12:11
cubexyz	I remember one programmer telling me never to leave my terminal in vi	Sep 27 12:32
cubexyz	he thought some co-worker could add spurious characters to a file	Sep 27 12:33
cubexyz	not a trusting sort	Sep 27 12:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/SzvPukNSc0	Sep 27 12:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Leftovers (a little old)	Sep 27 12:47
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/BoC6sv2nzo (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 27 12:47
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msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastard_Operator_From_Hell	Sep 27 12:49
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cubexyz	anyone like that would have been fired	Sep 27 12:50
msb_	You must have led a sheltered life!	Sep 27 12:53
msb_	I contracted by the hour to write a printer driver. The boss asked me how long it would take. I said two weeks. He agreed. I did it and gave him a bill for two weeks. He said, "I never agreed to that". I said, "you certainly did". He said, "My eyes weren't blinking. That meant I didn't really agree."	Sep 27 12:59
cubexyz	fictitious, as in made up	Sep 27 13:03
msb_	BOFH is fiction. My story is true.	Sep 27 13:04
cubexyz	ok, I believe you	Sep 27 13:04
cubexyz	always get it in writing	Sep 27 13:04
msb_	yep	Sep 27 13:05
msb_	The BOFH stories are pretty funny. I'm sure they're easy to find.	Sep 27 13:08
cubexyz	I could tell some customer stories	Sep 27 13:08
msb_	Tell on...	Sep 27 13:09
cubexyz	a rogers tech once yanked a card out of a computer than was running	Sep 27 13:09
cubexyz	some of the chips exploded	Sep 27 13:10
cubexyz	didn't know the difference between IDE and proprietary CD-ROM controllers	Sep 27 13:10
cubexyz	just horrible to deal with	Sep 27 13:10
cubexyz	I can't imagine how rogers hired him	Sep 27 13:11
cubexyz	another debacle was what happened to HP's software developer support program	Sep 27 13:14
cubexyz	they were supporting Unix, OS2, DOS and Linux	Sep 27 13:15
msb_	I mentioned yesterday how this server company deleted all my files without warning. They did it a previous time. Wanted to transfer me from one machine to another, and copied my files with a program which, if it found one error, deleted all the files. They _knew_ this!	Sep 27 13:15
cubexyz	so after 2001 I had to get into reverse-engineering scanner protocols	Sep 27 13:16
msb_	If a thing you buy from HP is out of warranty, they won	Sep 27 13:17
cubexyz	they eliminating their whole software support division	Sep 27 13:17
cubexyz	they eliminated rather	Sep 27 13:17
msb_	If a thing you buy from HP is out of warranty, they won't even talk to you on the phone unless you pay them $75. Maybe more now.	Sep 27 13:17
msb_	I guess they're used to dealing with the govt with infinite pockets.	Sep 27 13:18
cubexyz	oh I still use HP stuff, but it's all old stuff	Sep 27 13:19
cubexyz	I can fix the old stuff	Sep 27 13:19
cubexyz	there's quite a cottage industry for HP printer parts	Sep 27 13:19
cubexyz	I know a guy that still fixes HP minicomputers	Sep 27 13:19
cubexyz	calling HP... I don't bother	Sep 27 13:20
cubexyz	I bought an HP 4470C in 2003 or 2004	Sep 27 13:21
cubexyz	flatbed scanner	Sep 27 13:22
cubexyz	uses the RealTek RTS8891 chip	Sep 27 13:22
cubexyz	RealTek was unhelpful... there's no datasheet for it that I could find	Sep 27 13:23
msb_	Let me guess. You simulated it in FPGA?	Sep 27 13:24
cubexyz	so in 2009 I finally figured it out to the point where I could use the scanner under Linux	Sep 27 13:24
cubexyz	USB analyzer	Sep 27 13:24
msb_	It didn't come with a manual giving the protocols?	Sep 27 13:26
cubexyz	of course not	Sep 27 13:26
cubexyz	everything was a secret to lock out non-windows	Sep 27 13:26
msb_	Just a Windows program	Sep 27 13:26
cubexyz	just the binaries	Sep 27 13:26
cubexyz	yes	Sep 27 13:26
cubexyz	they used to have SCL "Scanner Control Language"	Sep 27 13:27
cubexyz	which was quite logical and easy to understand	Sep 27 13:27
msb_	"You think everything is a conspiracy" "Everything _is_!"	Sep 27 13:28
cubexyz	I didn't ask HP for a linux driver, just information on the RTS8891 chip	Sep 27 13:28
msb_	I remember seeing a nice manual for an HP printer.	Sep 27 13:28
cubexyz	I thought that was reasonable	Sep 27 13:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Antergos, Solus OS, and 4MLinux	Sep 27 16:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BSD Leftovers (mostly Phoronix)	Sep 27 17:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 64-bit ARM Is Becoming Usable For Day-To-Day	Sep 27 17:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.3-rc3 https://t.co/aWwM8uoIqg	Sep 27 17:24
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cubexyz	I know some people are disparaging chromebooks but I think they are decent enough	Sep 27 17:35
cubexyz	remember you get coreboot with it	Sep 27 17:35
cubexyz	good battery life	Sep 27 17:36
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DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Sep 27 18:10
DaemonFC	There's a Christian preacher that keeps coming to protest rock concerts in Fort Wayne. He brings his kids with them and he shouts into one of those hip-mounted speaker systems.	Sep 27 18:10
DaemonFC	I think I'm going to buy one and drown him out with the chicken dance or something next time. Maybe follow it up with the Macarena or stuff like that.	Sep 27 18:10
DaemonFC	Or The Sodom and Gomorrah Show by the Pet Shop Boys. I bet that'll piss them off.	Sep 27 18:12
DaemonFC	Ugggh. The move is tomorrow.	Sep 27 18:15
DaemonFC	I'm already exhausted just from tossing things out into the dumpster that I don't want to take with me.	Sep 27 18:15
DaemonFC	I threw out a power adapter for that e-bike and then my grandmother's scooter power adapter went missing, so I said "I just threw one of those out yesterday.".	Sep 27 18:16
DaemonFC	So I had to tear into the trash to find it. :/	Sep 27 18:16
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msb_	For me, _any_ Intel CPU violates ideological purity. Intel is evil.	Sep 27 23:25
cubexyz	AMD is also pro-Microsoft	Sep 27 23:26
cubexyz	AMD doubled down on windows 10 laptops	Sep 27 23:26
cubexyz	as far as I know, there are no AMD chromebooks	Sep 27 23:26
msb_	But not as pro-MS as Intel.	Sep 27 23:27
cubexyz	Intel is just pro-Intel	Sep 27 23:27
cubexyz	did Intel abuse the market? yes	Sep 27 23:33
cubexyz	the EU found Intel guilty in an anti-trust case	Sep 27 23:34
cubexyz	Intel was fined 896 million euro	Sep 27 23:34
cubexyz	Coke made all sorts of exclusivity deals with retail outlets and restaurants	Sep 27 23:36
cubexyz	it's capitalism	Sep 27 23:36
cubexyz	Intel went too far... it actually paid vendors to delay or cancel AMD-using products	Sep 27 23:38
cubexyz	so avoiding Intel isn't invalid	Sep 27 23:38
cubexyz	if I could find an AMD FX-8350 motherboard with coreboot I'd buy it in a second	Sep 27 23:40
cubexyz	not to mention there's still that experiment with the fastest ever AGP card to try	Sep 27 23:43
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msb_	How about a mobo where you can switch secure-boot off in the BIOS?	Sep 27 23:44
cubexyz	that would be a necessity	Sep 27 23:45
cubexyz	the bare minimum actually	Sep 27 23:45
msb_	Would it be sufficient for you?	Sep 27 23:45
msb_	No mobo mfr is going to offer coreboot, because then it couldn't run winblows.	Sep 27 23:46
cubexyz	coreboot can run older windows	Sep 27 23:46
cubexyz	not sure about windows 10 though	Sep 27 23:46
cubexyz	lots of computers can't run windows	Sep 27 23:47
cubexyz	mainframes, chromebooks, lemote, amigas, etc	Sep 27 23:47
cubexyz	not being able to run windows is almost a feature :)	Sep 27 23:48
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cubexyz	but lemote was squeezed out of North America	Sep 27 23:49
cubexyz	I don't know anyone who sells them in North America	Sep 27 23:49
cubexyz	not even on ebay	Sep 27 23:50
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cubexyz	if a vendor sold pre-installed coreboot ATX motherboards I'd be right on it	Sep 27 23:51
cubexyz	CWLinux does modules with coreboot	Sep 27 23:52
cubexyz	but not ATX	Sep 27 23:52
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cubexyz	one must be aware that coreboot replaces a lot of black box code buried so deep inside EFI that there isn't even a proper name for it	Sep 27 23:58
cubexyz	do I trust closed source BIOS/EFI? no	Sep 27 23:58
cubexyz	older BIOS is probably OK	Sep 28 00:00
cubexyz	Microsoft crapped up everything with it's Windows 8 certification	Sep 28 00:00
cubexyz	and it's worse than people think	Sep 28 00:01
cubexyz	all firmware updates have to be cryptographically signed	Sep 28 00:01
cubexyz	the whole concept of rolling your own firmware becomes almost impossible	Sep 28 00:02
cubexyz	Redhat tried to mollify people about this but I have not much confidence about it	Sep 28 00:03
cubexyz	so you can run your secure boot version of Fedora but can't flash your firmware	Sep 28 00:04
cubexyz	on non-ARM systems the platform must implement the ability for a user to select between two secureboot modes	Sep 28 00:07
cubexyz	"custom" and "standard"	Sep 28 00:07
cubexyz	so it's all a bit murky	Sep 28 00:07
msb_	https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/SABERTOOTH_990FX_R20/ Can flash the BIOS from a USB stick!	Sep 28 00:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.asus.com \| Motherboards \| SABERTOOTH 990FX R2.0 \| ASUS USA [ http://ur1.ca/nvac8 ]		Sep 28 00:07
cubexyz	sure, you can flash with a binary supplied by the vendor	Sep 28 00:09
msb_	Says "solid capacitors" !	Sep 28 00:10
cubexyz	yes, the hardware looks good	Sep 28 00:10
msb_	Does coreboot support that mobo?	Sep 28 00:10
cubexyz	almost certainly not	Sep 28 00:10
cubexyz	there's partial support	Sep 28 00:11
cubexyz	flashrom works	Sep 28 00:11
cubexyz	probably a lot of stuff doesn't work	Sep 28 00:12
msb_	Looks like ASUS has a "legacy BIOS mode" https://www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/115035/	Sep 28 00:18
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cubexyz	haha	Sep 28 00:18
cubexyz	"always set the windows boot manager as the first priority"	Sep 28 00:19
cubexyz	pfffft	Sep 28 00:19
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__martin__	geekings	Sep 28 12:59
__martin__	worrying developments in southern europe	Sep 28 13:00
__martin__	mass media calling refugee camps by 'hotspots' eufemisms	Sep 28 13:00
__martin__	due to fingerprinting all the asylum seekers into db	Sep 28 13:01
__martin__	brave new world confirmed	Sep 28 13:01
__martin__	<end_rant/>	Sep 28 13:01
__martin__	* meanwhile putting a hotspot (real wifi one) on a back of a distinguished homeless city person becomes a new modern-slavery norm // wondering about reaction of a human organism	Sep 28 13:05
__martin__	TODAY'S WIN-WIN: Shell halted Alaska coast drilling plan. Greenpeace celebrates.	Sep 28 13:07
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msb_	The refugee problem is at last drawing the world's attention to the enormous death and destruction resulting from US/UK/NATO/EU attacks on Iraq Afghanistan Libya Syria -- nations that few people elsewhere evidently thought about before the flood of millions of refugees whose home nations were ruined by the US. And some US document has been revealed from years ago saying that this was the intention.	Sep 28 14:04
msb_	The US has justified all those attacks and mass murders on the basis of the 9/11 attacks. And that's why it's so important that research has shown that the WTC was blown up by explosives which only the US government could have planted there. http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911	Sep 28 14:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com \| Human Society That Works For Everyone		Sep 28 14:08
msb_	Sorry to blame all this horror mainly on one nation, but it's TRUE. (And it's the nation I happen to live in.)	Sep 28 14:11
XRevan86	msb_: http://storage8.static.itmages.com/i/15/0928/h_1443438673_6512286_a311b1624d.png	Sep 28 14:11
XRevan86	msb_: I remember you commenting Russian cursive :)	Sep 28 14:11
msb_	I don't remember. What did I say?	Sep 28 14:12
XRevan86	msb_: Or maybe it wasn't you…	Sep 28 14:13
msb_	Our sick culture makes mass-murder seem so _normal_, by calling it by a special word "war	Sep 28 14:14
msb_	Our sick culture makes mass-murder seem so _normal_, by calling it by a special word "war", that people are able to ignore it for many years, even though millions are being killed.	Sep 28 14:15
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msb_	"There is no fate but that which we make for ourselves." -- Terminator Genisys	Sep 28 14:44
cubexyz	msb_, you know what's so odd?	Sep 28 14:55
cubexyz	there are people saying all the plane videos were faked!	Sep 28 14:55
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msb_	Did you read what I wrote before? There's a whole disinformation operation running to discredit the real researchers. http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/disinfo.html	Sep 28 14:57
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msb_	It's been going on for years.	Sep 28 14:57
cubexyz	right, you mentioned that before	Sep 28 14:57
cubexyz	I even recall one guy talking about the Hutchison Effect	Sep 28 14:59
cubexyz	just bizarre stuff	Sep 28 14:59
msb_	People calling themselves "9/11 researchers" and putting out claims that anyone with good sense and a knowledge of physics and technology can tell are ridiculous.	Sep 28 14:59
msb_	Yes. There are simple explanations for how all of Hutchison's "effects" are faked.	Sep 28 15:00
msb_	Exactly _how_ the govt managed to fake about 40 different videos of the second tower being hit, they never get around to explaining.	Sep 28 15:01
cubexyz	the fusing of metal and wood would have been interesting to see	Sep 28 15:01
cubexyz	that would count as evidence at least	Sep 28 15:02
msb_	He made molds, some from plant root systems, and poured metal into them.	Sep 28 15:02
cubexyz	clever	Sep 28 15:04
msb_	He made wooden boxes with video cameras mounted on the inside looking in, flipped them over, released hidden magnets holding small objects to the bottom, thus making them appear to rise.	Sep 28 15:04
msb_	It was done with an entire room in the making of the movie Poltergeist, where JoBeth Williams was shown being forced up a wall and ceiling.	Sep 28 15:06
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msb_	I have been on the phone for an hour and forty minutes with ASUS to ascertain whether UEFI/secure-boot can be turned off. The hard-to-understand guy from the Philipines, consulting with a "third level technician" who assures that there is a CSM -- compatibility support module -- that turns it off. But so far, in the manual, the website, they have not been able to find any mention on it. It is mentioned on various web pages. Now I'm	Sep 29 01:53
msb_	connected with the 3rd level tech, a woman who speaks understandable English, and she's looking.	Sep 29 01:53
msb_	This is for the SABERTOOTH 990FX mobo. Of course what we really want is a Tyrannosaurus Rex mobo, but a Sabertooth is the most vicious they have.	Sep 29 01:55
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MinceR	:)	Sep 29 02:10
MinceR	do they have anything that isn't extinct? :>	Sep 29 02:10
msb_	There's the Killer Space Dragon That Ate The Earth mobo, but that costs more.	Sep 29 02:19
msb_	What they need is one whose _documentation_ isn't extinct.	Sep 29 02:21
msb_	I mentioned the T.Rex and she laughed.	Sep 29 02:22
MinceR	:)	Sep 29 02:27
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/geekbrit/status/648134373502513152	Sep 29 02:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@geekbrit: @schestowitz @fth_nix Or... Intel effed up again?		Sep 29 02:42
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/648128928125714433	Sep 29 02:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: "nor is there Adobe Flash support" → thus not adequate for risk-loving exhibitionist masochists https://t.co/XLavbewiD4		Sep 29 02:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 64-bit ARM Is Becoming Usable For Day-To-Day Linux Desktop http://t.co/tiwmFNRPfY #gnu #linux #arm #arm64		Sep 29 02:43
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Ara	Sep 29 03:41
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msb_	https://www.theverge.com/2015/8/19/9179413/google-explains-project-ara-delay	Sep 29 03:41
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r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/646357641917276160	Sep 29 08:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz epo does not follow the rule of law principle, see point 3 of my appeal against the unipat in Belgium.		Sep 29 08:34
r_schestowitz	EasyJet	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	d by nos puede meter #ISDS por la puerta de atrás	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:01] <TweetSchestowitz> @glynmoody https://t.co/FKN7jZecpz (www.tni.org)	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:01] <TweetSchestowitz> http://t.co/WeSoXamjmd	Sep 29 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tni.org \| La democracia en venta \| Transnational Institute		Sep 29 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Soltrumbo: Estamos parando el #TTIP pero el #CETA (Canada) nos puede meter #ISDS por la puerta de atrás https://t.co/FKN7jZecpz http://t.co/WeSoXamjmd		Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:01] <TweetSchestowitz> ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvl7n	Sep 29 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Soltrumbo: Estamos parando el #TTIP pero el #CETA (Canada) nos puede meter #ISDS por la puerta de atrás https://t.co/FKN7jZecpz http://t.co/WeSoXamjmd		Sep 29 09:15
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r_schestowitz	[09:01] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- www.tni.org \| La democracia en venta \| Transnational Institute	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:01] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- @Soltrumbo: Estamos parando el #TTIP pero el #CETA (Canada) nos puede meter #ISDS por la puerta de atrás https://t.co/FKN7jZecpz http://t.co/WeSoXamjmd	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:01] <TweetSchestowitz> @JackofKent So: Jeremy Corbyn has raised the proposed	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:01] <TweetSchestowitz> retweeted by MoJ-Saudi contract directly with the Prime	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:01] <TweetSchestowitz> @glynmoody Minister: http://t.co/CKRPkx5c3C	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:01] <TweetSchestowitz> (www.bbc.co.uk)	Sep 29 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk \| Jeremy Corbyn raises death row Saudi's case with PM - BBC News		Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:01] <TweetSchestowitz> ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvl7o	Sep 29 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JackofKent: So: Jeremy Corbyn has raised the proposed MoJ-Saudi contract directly with the Prime Minister: http://t.co/CKRPkx5c3C		Sep 29 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- (Re-tweeted by glynmoody)		Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:01] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- www.bbc.co.uk \| Jeremy Corbyn raises death row Saudi's case with PM - BBC News	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:02] <TweetSchestowitz> @timlusher Junior doctors in despair over new contracts -	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:02] <TweetSchestowitz> retweeted by one earned more working for a phone company as	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:02] <TweetSchestowitz> @glynmoody a student: http://t.co/zVVTGvDf5q	Sep 29 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| ‘I can’t sacrifice my family for the NHS’: the junior doctors forced out of jobs they love \| Society \| The Guardian		Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:02] <TweetSchestowitz> (www.theguardian.com)	Sep 29 09:15
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r_schestowitz	[09:02] <TweetSchestowitz> ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvl7r	Sep 29 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@timlusher: Junior doctors in despair over new contracts - one earned more working for a phone company as a student: http://t.co/zVVTGvDf5q		Sep 29 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- (Re-tweeted by glynmoody)		Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:03] <r_schestowitz> https://twitter.com/georgebaily/status/648765648353525760	Sep 29 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@georgebaily: @schestowitz if you had to pick, what twitter alternative is your choice atm?		Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:03] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- @georgebaily: @schestowitz if you had to pick, what twitter alternative is your choice atm?	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:03] <r_schestowitz> Diaspora is the main network I'm on, Twitter gets copies of that	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:04] <TweetSchestowitz> @glynmoody says it all... https://t.co/IhjYWkVdap	Sep 29 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@harrydcarr: Sky Data poll: strong support for Corbyn policies - but drops by up to 10 points when people know they're Corbyn's http://t.co/uWaPjb5zBY		Sep 29 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.sky.com \| Corbyn Speech To Promise 'Kinder Politics'		Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:04] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- @harrydcarr: Sky Data poll: strong support for Corbyn policies - but drops by up to 10 points when people know they're Corbyn's http://t.co/uWaPjb5zBY	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:04] <TweetSchestowitz> (twitter.com)	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:04] <TweetSchestowitz> ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvl7z	Sep 29 09:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: says it all... https://t.co/IhjYWkVdap		Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:04] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- -> news.sky.com \| Corbyn Speech To Promise 'Kinder Politics'	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:04] <TweetSchestowitz> @RalfGrahn @glynmoody Thanks, also saw @jonworth referring	Sep 29 09:15
r_schestowitz	[09:04] <TweetSchestowitz> retweeted by to critical #evoting assessment regarding	Sep 29 09:16
r_schestowitz	[09:04] <TweetSchestowitz> @glynmoody #Estonia https://t.co/yjsAUBTQsQ	Sep 29 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-estoniaevoting.org \| Independent Report on E-voting in Estonia \| A security analysis of Estonia's Internet voting system by international e-voting experts.		Sep 29 09:16
r_schestowitz	[09:04] <TweetSchestowitz> (estoniaevoting.org) #euparl #AFCO	Sep 29 09:16
r_schestowitz	[09:04] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- estoniaevoting.org \| Independent Report on E-voting in Estonia \| A security analysis of Estonia's Internet voting system by international e-voting experts.	Sep 29 09:16
r_schestowitz	[09:04] <TweetSchestowitz> ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvl80	Sep 29 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RalfGrahn: @glynmoody Thanks, also saw @jonworth referring to critical #evoting assessment regarding #Estonia https://t.co/yjsAUBTQsQ #euparl #AFCO		Sep 29 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- (Re-tweeted by glynmoody)		Sep 29 09:16
r_schestowitz	[09:04] <TweetSchestowitz> @naina_bajekal Nearly every Syrian refugee I met last week in	Sep 29 09:16
r_schestowitz	[09:04] <TweetSchestowitz> retweeted by Germany was fleeing Assad, not ISIS.	Sep 29 09:16
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r_schestowitz	> Dear Roy,	Sep 29 09:38
r_schestowitz	>	Sep 29 09:38
r_schestowitz	>	Sep 29 09:38
r_schestowitz	>	Sep 29 09:38
r_schestowitz	> I just read your above-mentioned blog post. Specifically with regard to transparency and democracy in the UPC context, do you know my papers “Law-making in camera” (accessible here) and “The sub-sub-suboptimal compromise of the EU Parliament” (accessible here) from 2013? Having a look might be worthwhile.	Sep 29 09:38
r_schestowitz	>	Sep 29 09:38
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r_schestowitz	> Best wishes	Sep 29 09:39
r_schestowitz	>	Sep 29 09:39
r_schestowitz	> Ingve	Sep 29 09:39
r_schestowitz	>	Sep 29 09:39
r_schestowitz	>	Sep 29 09:39
r_schestowitz	Thanks, I shall have a look in the coming back as I've just returned home after 2 weeks.	Sep 29 09:39
r_schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6637581	Sep 29 09:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: The super cheap $9 Linux based Chip PC starts shipping from today http://www.techworm.net/2015/09/worlds-first-9-linux-based-computer-is-shipping-now.html		Sep 29 09:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techworm.net \| World's first $9 Linux based computer is shipping now [ http://ur1.ca/nvlf6 ]		Sep 29 09:41
r_schestowitz	"It’s open hardware. Cool!"	Sep 29 09:41
r_schestowitz	Will hopefully catch on	Sep 29 09:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Forked-Android smartphones advance to second	Sep 29 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	generation http://t.co/NSBoBlMVwE	Sep 29 10:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Forked-Android smartphones advance to second generation · LinuxGizmos.com		Sep 29 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Sep 29 10:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Alcatel One Touch Fire E / Firefox OS -	Sep 29 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	Retrospective http://t.co/NuZmxbjPpC	Sep 29 10:06
TweetTuxMachines	(dummdida.tumblr.com)	Sep 29 10:06
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cubexyz	I don't want secure boot at all	Sep 29 10:24
cubexyz	I want firmware source code	Sep 29 10:24
cubexyz	no jumping through secure boot hoops	Sep 29 10:25
cubexyz	so far chromebooks are the best for that, but I'm hoping some day that beaglebone will be fully supported	Sep 29 10:26
cubexyz	it's all BS... I can lock out firmware writes myself	Sep 29 10:27
cubexyz	I don't need secure boot	Sep 29 10:27
cubexyz	I mentioned this about HP Pavilion quite a while ago:	Sep 29 10:33
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/secure-boot.txt	Sep 29 10:33
cubexyz	better to completely KO the firmware with coreboot	Sep 29 10:35
cubexyz	you better believe that the defaults are "secure boot ON"	Sep 29 10:37
cubexyz	so if your CMOS battery goes, it's back to jumping through hoops	Sep 29 10:37
cubexyz	this is a perfect example of the boiling frog anecdote	Sep 29 10:38
cubexyz	even if people go with the silly fedora signed kernel... well guess what? No unsigned custom kernels!	Sep 29 10:40
cubexyz	crackers usually don't even hijack the bootloader usually	Sep 29 10:42
cubexyz	their stupid windows computer is infected AFTER booting!	Sep 29 10:43
cubexyz	so secure boot is BS	Sep 29 10:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines First thoughts: Linux on the Supermicro	Sep 29 10:50
TweetTuxMachines	5028D-T4NT https://t.co/KAalv7KkuL (major.io)	Sep 29 10:50
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvluf	Sep 29 10:50
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BlackBerry Sees the Android Light	Sep 29 10:50
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/71EO1Sj9JZ (www.linuxinsider.com)	Sep 29 10:50
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvlug	Sep 29 10:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxinsider.com \| BlackBerry Sees the Android Light \| Mobile \| LinuxInsider		Sep 29 10:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Huawei Watch Review, the classiest Android Wear	Sep 29 10:51
TweetTuxMachines	smartwatch available right now	Sep 29 10:51
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/4NCMCuMo7H (phandroid.com)	Sep 29 10:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvluh	Sep 29 10:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-phandroid.com \| Huawei Watch Review, the classiest Android Wear smartwatch available right now		Sep 29 10:51
msb_	cubexyz: Proof that UEFI/secure-boot can be turned of on ASUS 990FX mobo. "CSM" means "compatibility support module". https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?37591-Sabertooth-990FX-Rev2-won-t-detect-my-HDD-or-SSD-can-t-install-an-OS!-Help! https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7416500.html	Sep 29 11:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rog.asus.com \| Sabertooth 990FX Rev2 won't detect my HDD or SSD, can't install an OS! Help! [ http://ur1.ca/nvkpu ]		Sep 29 11:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.gentoo.org \| Gentoo Forums :: View topic - UEFI on ASUS Sabertooth 990fx r2? [ http://ur1.ca/nvkpv ]		Sep 29 11:09
msb_	cubexyz: So you can have a modern fast 8-core computer that will run any OS.	Sep 29 11:12
msb_	3 times faster than a chromebook.	Sep 29 11:12
msb_	cubexyz: Hopefully you received my e-mail with the precise instructions from ASUS that they sent me yesterday.	Sep 29 11:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu broke Java because of Unity	Sep 29 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/FBSCYwK0bQ (www.vitavonni.de)	Sep 29 11:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vitavonni.de \| Ubuntu broke Java because of Unity		Sep 29 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvm12	Sep 29 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Solus Arrives on October 1, Big Changes Land	Sep 29 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	for Budgie Desktop http://t.co/cCPcrHo2kJ	Sep 29 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Sep 29 11:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines More Ubuntu Phones Coming Soon, Says Official	Sep 29 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	Site http://t.co/a2WwgnHkyp	Sep 29 11:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| More Ubuntu Phones Coming Soon, Says Official Site - Softpedia		Sep 29 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 29 11:19
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cubexyz	msb_, that's just crap	Sep 29 11:22
cubexyz	I'm not going to do that	Sep 29 11:22
msb_	why	Sep 29 11:23
cubexyz	they have obfuscated the booting process	Sep 29 11:23
msb_	You always have to do some BIOS setups when you build a new computer.	Sep 29 11:24
cubexyz	save secure boot keys to USB <- no thanks	Sep 29 11:24
cubexyz	not even sure what that means even	Sep 29 11:25
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msb_	That's if you want to be able to run windows 10 later. Note that that step is labelled OPTIONAL.	Sep 29 11:25
msb_	$180 for the FX8350 CPU and $180 for the mobo	Sep 29 11:26
msb_	You can view big x265 videos, do video editing, super-fast compiles, all sorts of things	Sep 29 11:27
msb_	transcode videos to save disk space	Sep 29 11:27
cubexyz	at the very least secure boot mus be disabled by default	Sep 29 11:28
cubexyz	only then would I consider it	Sep 29 11:28
msb_	MILSPEC, solid capacitors like you want	Sep 29 11:28
cubexyz	that's only part of what I want	Sep 29 11:29
msb_	Why? How often is the battery going to lose power? Every 5 years. And if it does resetting the BIOS only takes a couple minutes.	Sep 29 11:29
cubexyz	I want the firmware source	Sep 29 11:31
cubexyz	I know every step of the startup process on Gigabyte GA-BXC	Sep 29 11:32
cubexyz	and I'll prove it:	Sep 29 11:34
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/coreboot-serial-output.txt	Sep 29 11:35
msb_	"<cubexyz> if I could find an AMD FX-8350 motherboard with coreboot I'd buy it in a second"	Sep 29 11:35
cubexyz	right	Sep 29 11:36
msb_	cubexyz: Why, exactly, do you need to have the firmware source?	Sep 29 11:36
cubexyz	same reason I want the source code for my operating system	Sep 29 11:36
cubexyz	I want to know exactly what my computer is doing	Sep 29 11:36
msb_	You think an ASUS mobo is secretly going to do something nasty?	Sep 29 11:37
cubexyz	sure	Sep 29 11:38
msb_	Like what?	Sep 29 11:38
cubexyz	well, NSA bios backdoor for one thing	Sep 29 11:39
cubexyz	but who knows, if you don't have the source code	Sep 29 11:39
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msb_	Is coreboot ever going to support a mobo for a fast 8-core cpu?	Sep 29 11:39
cubexyz	they are working on it	Sep 29 11:40
cubexyz	these things take time	Sep 29 11:40
msb_	like about when?	Sep 29 11:40
cubexyz	it really depends a lot on datasheets	Sep 29 11:40
cubexyz	if the datasheets for all the chips is available then 6 months	Sep 29 11:41
cubexyz	if not, it can take years	Sep 29 11:41
msb_	Could it be that you prefer to have a slow computer?	Sep 29 11:41
cubexyz	no, I want firmware source code... I put at least 100 hours into the Gigabyte project	Sep 29 11:43
cubexyz	tested it with many different operating systems	Sep 29 11:44
msb_	If there's anything in your life that you don't want the NSA to find out about, you can't communicate it to anybody, except by whispering it directly in their ear.	Sep 29 11:44
msb_	If you talk about it on the Net or by phone they can find out.	Sep 29 11:44
cubexyz	NSA hacked Dell Servers, it's proven	Sep 29 11:45
msb_	What OS were they running?	Sep 29 11:46
cubexyz	at the time I think they were running windows 2000, 2003, and XP	Sep 29 11:46
msb_	Ha!	Sep 29 11:46
cubexyz	but even if the NSA isn't hacking my computer I still want firmware source code	Sep 29 11:47
msb_	I think it's your religion.	Sep 29 11:47
msb_	Do you read all the Linux kernel source code?	Sep 29 11:48
cubexyz	anything I have to look at I look at	Sep 29 11:49
cubexyz	for example, the init code, wall, most of coreutils	Sep 29 11:49
cubexyz	security patches for bash	Sep 29 11:50
cubexyz	that sort of thing	Sep 29 11:50
cubexyz	I wanted to build a gtk1 browser so I did	Sep 29 11:50
msb_	I said kernel.	Sep 29 11:50
XRevan86	msb_: That's a good ideology.	Sep 29 11:51
cubexyz	mostly I've looking at LKM	Sep 29 11:51
cubexyz	and device drivers	Sep 29 11:52
msb_	XRevan86: It is if it doesn't cost 2/3 of your computer's speed.	Sep 29 11:52
XRevan86	although a bit expensive	Sep 29 11:52
cubexyz	I wanted to understand radeonfb	Sep 29 11:52
cubexyz	that's a work in progress	Sep 29 11:52
msb_	XRevan86: What's expensive?	Sep 29 11:52
XRevan86	msb_: FSF-certified laptops, for instance.	Sep 29 11:53
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XRevan86	msb_: And so I'll stick to my proprietary InsydeH2O junk %).	Sep 29 11:54
cubexyz	there's a UK company called minifree that will install libreboot but it is expensive	Sep 29 11:56
cubexyz	gluglug -> minifree	Sep 29 11:56
cubexyz	they changed the name	Sep 29 11:56
msb_	ASUS equipment has always worked great for me. I've used several of their mobos. Very reliable.	Sep 29 11:56
msb_	cubexyz: is libreboot the same as coreboot? How much do they charge?	Sep 29 11:57
cubexyz	libreboot is coreboot without any binary blobs	Sep 29 11:57
XRevan86	msb_: libreboot is coreboot without firmwares.	Sep 29 11:57
cubexyz	200 pounds	Sep 29 11:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Dropbox Alternatives for Linux Users	Sep 29 11:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/x7mVm1hfqE (www.datamation.com)	Sep 29 11:58
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*TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Dropbox Alternatives for Linux Users http://t.co/x7mVm1hfqE'		Sep 29 11:58
XRevan86	libreboot is linux-libre of coreboot	Sep 29 11:58
msb_	cubexyz: To instal on _any_ mobo?	Sep 29 11:58
cubexyz	no	Sep 29 11:58
msb_	and fully utilize it?	Sep 29 11:58
XRevan86	http://minifree.org/product/libreboot-installation-service	Sep 29 11:58
cubexyz	only certain models of thinkpads	Sep 29 11:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-minifree.org \| Libreboot Installation Service \| Ministry of Freedom [ http://ur1.ca/nvm7f ]		Sep 29 11:59
XRevan86	> The following libreboot-compatible systems are a part of this service	Sep 29 11:59
cubexyz	at least it helps fun libreboot	Sep 29 12:00
cubexyz	fund	Sep 29 12:00
msb_	Well, my work yesterday wasn't wasted. I'm sure gonna get one.	Sep 29 12:00
msb_	No more nicing down firefox when I want to watch an x265.	Sep 29 12:01
cubexyz	X60/T60 is the cheapest option	Sep 29 12:01
cubexyz	of course one can do the work themselves and save $$$	Sep 29 12:02
msb_	What, put a socket under the BIOS chip?	Sep 29 12:02
msb_	Actually, lots of BIOSes are flashable these days, so you don't have to do that. If coreboot will run on it.	Sep 29 12:04
XRevan86	> If coreboot will run on it	Sep 29 12:04
XRevan86	and it probably won't	Sep 29 12:04
cubexyz	it's when something gets botched up you need to remove the chip	Sep 29 12:05
cubexyz	and use an external programmer	Sep 29 12:05
cubexyz	infared doesn't work, other than that it works on X60	Sep 29 12:06
msb_	I think systemd is much more likely to be used for govt intrusion than an ASUS bios.	Sep 29 12:07
msb_	cubexyz: Do you mean ultraviolet?	Sep 29 12:07
cubexyz	minifree is also selling a wifi adapter to replace the non-free intel one	Sep 29 12:07
XRevan86	I think systemd is much-much less likely to be used for govt intrusion than AMI/Insyde/Phoenix BIOS.	Sep 29 12:08
cubexyz	msb_, no infared, as in IRDA	Sep 29 12:08
cubexyz	hardly anyone uses it	Sep 29 12:08
cubexyz	but I've played around with it	Sep 29 12:08
cubexyz	it's not critical, but it's nice to have	Sep 29 12:09
cubexyz	I've reprogrammed a tv remote to do a few things on Linux	Sep 29 12:10
cubexyz	libreboot is based on coreboot, but they've taken things one step farther	Sep 29 12:11
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/libreboot-supported-hardware.txt	Sep 29 12:13
cubexyz	very strict	Sep 29 12:15
XRevan86	http://www.coreboot.org/Supported_Motherboards this list is a bit bigger	Sep 29 12:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.coreboot.org \| Supported Motherboards - coreboot [ http://ur1.ca/djun ]		Sep 29 12:15
XRevan86	That's the up-side of coreboot being non-libre.	Sep 29 12:16
cubexyz	I think the X60 used a PLCC so you can pull the chip out with a special tool	Sep 29 12:19
cubexyz	better to have an extra chip and external programmer to be safe	Sep 29 12:21
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MinceR	http://ateistamembazis.hu/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/2186-1506.jpg	Sep 29 18:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why there will never be a year of the Linux	Sep 29 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	desktop http://t.co/FPRJrg2yh0	Sep 29 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 29 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvoht	Sep 29 18:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Why there will never be a year of the Linux desktop \| Tux Machines		Sep 29 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines VectorLinux Light Has That Old-School Linux	Sep 29 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	Feeling http://t.co/JSiQrNTakE	Sep 29 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 29 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvohw	Sep 29 18:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| VectorLinux Light Has That Old-School Linux Feeling \| Tux Machines		Sep 29 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Young, the Gifted & the Linux Proficient	Sep 29 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/YQR0deaUvr (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 29 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvohy	Sep 29 18:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Young, the Gifted & the Linux Proficient \| Tux Machines		Sep 29 18:16
cubexyz	I hated windows, so I can't agree with SJVN on this point	Sep 29 18:18
cubexyz	it was awful right from the first time I used it	Sep 29 18:19
MinceR	what did he say?	Sep 29 18:19
cubexyz	and screw zdnet	Sep 29 18:19
cubexyz	"Why there will never be a year of the Linux desktop"	Sep 29 18:19
cubexyz	zdnet blows	Sep 29 18:19
MinceR	there already were several	Sep 29 18:20
MinceR	what i'd like to know is when there will be a year of the windows desktop and a year of the macos desktop	Sep 29 18:20
MinceR	when will they fix the glaring flaws that make their GUIs almost unusable	Sep 29 18:20
cubexyz	was there a year of the Sun workstation? it's a silly trope	Sep 29 18:20
cubexyz	he's basically saying that the desktop will disappear, or diminish greatly	Sep 29 18:22
cubexyz	but I don't agree with that	Sep 29 18:22
MinceR	well, it might disappear	Sep 29 18:23
MinceR	along with the rest of IT	Sep 29 18:23
MinceR	since it's being killed off	Sep 29 18:23
MinceR	and it will of course take the rest of our tech, science and society with it	Sep 29 18:23
cubexyz	you're describing a collapse of civilization	Sep 29 18:24
cubexyz	ok, well assuming that doesn't happen people will need a real computer	Sep 29 18:25
MinceR	well yes	Sep 29 18:25
MinceR	our civilization won't survive without IT	Sep 29 18:25
MinceR	but does that stop the fascists that are trying to kill IT? of course not.	Sep 29 18:25
cubexyz	Award and American Megatrends both used Microsoft tools to write their BIOSes	Sep 29 18:30
cubexyz	probably Masm 6.12 for this era I'm looking at which is from 1999	Sep 29 18:31
cubexyz	ha, I'm very close, it was MASM611 in says in the comments	Sep 29 18:32
cubexyz	valuable info	Sep 29 18:32
cubexyz	soon I'll know if there's any funny business in there	Sep 29 18:34
cubexyz	I'm expecting there isn't but you never know	Sep 29 18:34
cubexyz	some parts were written for Masm 5.10	Sep 29 18:35
cubexyz	they are from 1995	Sep 29 18:36
cubexyz	the 2011 code just looks so complex	Sep 29 18:40
cubexyz	pretty sure the BIOS code from 1999 has no TCP/IP stack	Sep 29 18:41
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cubexyz	Intel/i810	Sep 29 18:44
r_schestowitz	Snowden joins Twitter and follows the NSA	Sep 29 18:49
r_schestowitz	http://bigstory.ap.org/article/6a46950ab68349c6a67f0f519e85ed38/snowden-joins-twitter-and-follows-nsa#overlay-context=	Sep 29 18:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bigstory.ap.org \| Snowden joins Twitter and follows the NSA [ http://ur1.ca/nvoqx ]		Sep 29 18:49
cubexyz	ha, Snowden works a Dell... NSA later on hacks Dell Servers	Sep 29 18:51
cubexyz	works at Dell	Sep 29 18:51
r_schestowitz	worked there before	Sep 29 18:56
r_schestowitz	as a sysadmin or something	Sep 29 18:56
r_schestowitz	!google snowden worked dell	Sep 29 18:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Edward Snowden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia \| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden	Sep 29 18:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Snowden downloaded NSA secrets while working for Dell, sources ... \| http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/15/usa-security-snowden-dell-idUSL2N0GF11220130815	Sep 29 18:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Edward Snowden: The Untold Story \| WIRED \| http://www.wired.com/2014/08/edward-snowden/	Sep 29 18:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - An NSA Coworker Remembers The Real Edward Snowden: 'A ... \| http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/12/16/an-nsa-coworker-remembers-the-real-edward-snowden-a-genius-among-geniuses/	Sep 29 18:56
r_schestowitz	cubexyz: I studied his history closely since he came out to the media	Sep 29 18:59
r_schestowitz	He's hard to discredit	Sep 29 18:59
r_schestowitz	esp. after he decided to turn against the former employer in a big way	Sep 29 18:59
r_schestowitz	Assange is easy to discredit from many angles	Sep 29 18:59
r_schestowitz	inc. personal life	Sep 29 18:59
r_schestowitz	[15:34] <MinceR> like redcrap	Sep 29 19:00
r_schestowitz	Nee villain in town?	Sep 29 19:00
r_schestowitz	What has Red Hat done wrong other than lennux and SELinux/NSA?	Sep 29 19:00
r_schestowitz	It's Canonical that plays ball with MS more these days	Sep 29 19:01
cubexyz	they kowtowed to Microsoft too	Sep 29 19:01
r_schestowitz	Except a few examples where they do diss Vista 10	Sep 29 19:01
cubexyz	paying for secure boot keys	Sep 29 19:01
r_schestowitz	cubexyz: not as much as some companies like Novell and Canonical	Sep 29 19:01
r_schestowitz	Red Hat collabs on virt with MSFT	Sep 29 19:01
r_schestowitz	But little beuond that	Sep 29 19:01
r_schestowitz	They also hired some virt people from MSFT	Sep 29 19:02
r_schestowitz	Ah, SHIM...	Sep 29 19:02
r_schestowitz	Right, UEFI	Sep 29 19:02
cubexyz	don't people realize I don't want secure boot?	Sep 29 19:02
r_schestowitz	That's from the time Garrett was in Fedora	Sep 29 19:02
r_schestowitz	Red Hat	Sep 29 19:02
cubexyz	I just don't want it	Sep 29 19:02
r_schestowitz	used to work for Canonical too	Sep 29 19:02
cubexyz	no one is going to make a Plan 9 key	Sep 29 19:02
r_schestowitz	Debian, GNOME, later some virt/sec company...	Sep 29 19:03
r_schestowitz	cubexyz: well, it's a big issue	Sep 29 19:03
r_schestowitz	I'm still active in opposing it	Sep 29 19:03
r_schestowitz	I met someone from Intel last week	Sep 29 19:03
cubexyz	they aren't just going to lock out Linux you know	Sep 29 19:03
r_schestowitz	even wore their shirt as a joke	Sep 29 19:03
cubexyz	all alternative OSes will be locked out	Sep 29 19:03
r_schestowitz	I think Intel is getting fed up with Microsoft	Sep 29 19:03
r_schestowitz	But they want to do to Linux what IBM does	Sep 29 19:03
r_schestowitz	TPM and all that, DRM too	Sep 29 19:04
r_schestowitz	They also lobby for software patents	Sep 29 19:04
r_schestowitz	UEFI is a patent trap	Sep 29 19:04
cubexyz	where is Snowden now?	Sep 29 19:05
cubexyz	I guess he's still in Russia	Sep 29 19:05
cubexyz	Intel has gone off the rails	Sep 29 19:07
cubexyz	but that is generally true about computers	Sep 29 19:07
r_schestowitz	Snowden is dais to be in Moscow	Sep 29 19:10
r_schestowitz	Unless he was discreetly relocated for his safety or whatever	Sep 29 19:10
r_schestowitz	Intel still makes chips for other companies in its factories, so it's not quite dead yet	Sep 29 19:10
r_schestowitz	TVH, if Intel statrted to work harder on FOSS drivers, open designs, not DRM, UEFI etc. (just FOSS/Linux), it would make them not _necessarily_ worth a death	Sep 29 19:11
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MinceR	200049 < r_schestowitz> Nee villain in town?	Sep 29 19:15
MinceR	indeed	Sep 29 19:15
MinceR	lendows wasn't bad enough?	Sep 29 19:16
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r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/648765007359016960?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email	Sep 29 19:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Yeah, that's why he has managed to survive several bankruptcies.		Sep 29 19:18
r_schestowitz	Sounds like Lindows	Sep 29 19:18
r_schestowitz	re vv <MinceR> lendows wasn't bad enough?	Sep 29 19:19
MinceR	oh, and promoting uefi, of course	Sep 29 19:19
MinceR	lendows is a portmanteau of lennart and windows	Sep 29 19:20
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/645005924264906753?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email	Sep 29 19:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz except my university which is using huge amounts of Windows machines. With select people getting Apple pc		Sep 29 19:21
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/645006315132076032?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=26fb02c48c166adc42f797002ebd4cf20270e7ac&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=c6ad0a3950cf442cbef302ea56889133&autoactions=1442616464&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267	Sep 29 19:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz I think they use a version of Linux for some server activities, but that's it. I'm only student using Linux actively it seems		Sep 29 19:21
cubexyz	MinceR is right, computers are getting a bit worse for the user	Sep 29 19:24
cubexyz	it's getting harder to write FOSS firmware, not easier	Sep 29 19:24
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/644474956529729536?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=c91bf03ee177f3eccaa6637cf2effa10ed16f492&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=342e187fb2704dce9a5aea602986651d&autoactions=1442489778&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267	Sep 29 19:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz EPO leadership out of control: now SUEPO has even had to remove a link to Heise, Germany's most-read IT news site		Sep 29 19:24
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/644474956529729536?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=c91bf03ee177f3eccaa6637cf2effa10ed16f492&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=342e187fb2704dce9a5aea602986651d&autoactions=1442489778&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267	Sep 29 19:24
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/avl7771/status/644477325585838080?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email https://twitter.com/avl7771/status/644478515589550080?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=2e2243befc1b5f1b9238eb517e96789175d3cdd3&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=cd02f30e6a5a445ba8cc07a1ccff9663&autoactions=1442490626&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267 https://twitter.com/SurfEasyInc/status/644493470237917184?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=7fc3319c41b082bb77b10849b6a6961ee202fb2e&al=1&	Sep 29 19:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@avl7771: @schestowitz This is about a separate product that Opera recently acquired (@SurfEasyInc VPN), not about the browser. There's no demoting.		Sep 29 19:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@avl7771: @schestowitz And on Mac and Windows, Opera doesn't "come with" @SurfEasyInc VPN, it just promotes it with a link to download and install it.		Sep 29 19:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SurfEasyInc: @avl7771 @schestowitz Hi guys. We're happy to answer any questions you have about our service! We're thrilled to be part of the Opera family		Sep 29 19:28
r_schestowitz	refsrc=email&iid=0d5c62c03b6244229ddeaa01283f886b&autoactions=1442494192&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267	Sep 29 19:28
cubexyz	Intel promised to open source the Tiano BIOS under the CPL	Sep 29 19:32
cubexyz	BUT!	Sep 29 19:32
MinceR	it will still be a horribly bloated piece of shit	Sep 29 19:32
cubexyz	there's a firmwire chip that refuses to boot your custom BIOS if you change anything	Sep 29 19:32
MinceR	which treats m$ "technology" preferentially	Sep 29 19:32
MinceR	right, intel boot guard	Sep 29 19:32
cubexyz	1998 era, I've done it... I've flash my own firmware on Gigabyte GA-6BXC	Sep 29 19:41
cubexyz	of course it's old but that gives one the time period where it was still possible to do custom firmware	Sep 29 19:42
cubexyz	no microsoft tools were needed	Sep 29 19:42
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/bootsplash.jpg	Sep 29 19:45
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msb_	MinceR: That's a great cartoon about psychopath Islamics being afraid of a pig. I wonder if pig juice or blood could be used to fight ISIL?	Sep 29 21:24
cubexyz	I must admit to being a bit confused by that cartoon	Sep 29 21:24
cubexyz	I guess muslims are afraid of pigs?	Sep 29 21:25
XRevan86	msb_: It can't. Islam has exceptions to dogmas.	Sep 29 21:25
msb_	Moslems are programmed to be extremely averse to pork.	Sep 29 21:25
cubexyz	ok, I didn't know that	Sep 29 21:25
XRevan86	for survival muslim can even eat a pig	Sep 29 21:25
msb_	I remember some scifi story about muslims being fought by showering the Kaaba Stone with pig juice.	Sep 29 21:27
msb_	Well, the Russians will be using bullets.	Sep 29 21:28
msb_	in Syria	Sep 29 21:28
msb_	Hi-tech attack helicopters and missiles. Hard to hide in the desert.	Sep 29 21:30
msb_	ISIL will no doubt hide among civilians. They are monsters. US-supported monsters.	Sep 29 21:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Reach out and touch a desktop	Sep 29 22:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/gnor9nrk5d (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 29 22:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvq7o	Sep 29 22:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Reach out and touch a desktop \| Tux Machines		Sep 29 22:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ASUS ZenWatch 2 review http://t.co/IHhQXBowKk	Sep 29 22:11
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 29 22:11
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MinceR	msb_: only if it's recognizable as such	Sep 29 22:33
MinceR	btw, the old testament bans the consumption of pig	Sep 29 22:34
MinceR	s/pig/pork/	Sep 29 22:34
MinceR	i wonder what christians did to that	Sep 29 22:34
msb_	MinceR: Bacon grease (liquified for spraying) would be recognizable, and hard to remove. re Xtians, I have no idea.	Sep 29 22:43
MinceR	:)	Sep 29 22:43
MinceR	though i suspect they'd invent an exemption if this was used against them regularly	Sep 29 22:43
MinceR	by revelation :>	Sep 29 22:44
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cubexyz	they did give some consideration to SCO Unix in the BIOS of this era	Sep 29 22:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hands-on: the Pixel C is a great Android tablet	Sep 29 23:04
TweetTuxMachines	that costs a great deal of money	Sep 29 23:04
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/L12DApGn5Y (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 29 23:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Run Linux Destop Sessions In A Web Browser With	Sep 29 23:04
TweetTuxMachines	Icebergs http://t.co/AesB9pYSX8	Sep 29 23:04
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvqkf	Sep 29 23:04
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cubexyz	you may be interested to hear that AMI did test their BIOS with Redhat Linux	Sep 29 23:06
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MinceR	apparently the ban on pork was kind of revoked in NT: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/eat.html	Sep 29 23:19
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cubexyz	aha	Sep 29 23:32
cubexyz	print screen is supported by my BIOS	Sep 29 23:34
cubexyz	funny the things you can learn after 15 years	Sep 29 23:35
MinceR	:)	Sep 29 23:37
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cubexyz	also the sensors seem to be at odds with the BIOS	Sep 29 23:43
cubexyz	sys temp and cpu temp are transposed	Sep 29 23:43
cubexyz	I assume the BIOS is right	Sep 29 23:43
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cubexyz	also one doesn't get all the info on one page since the screen scrolls in the BIOS menu	Sep 29 23:46
msb_	" Did I ever put you in an unsafe situation? All the time. Then you should be used to it!	Sep 29 23:52
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msb_	Did I ever put you in an unsafe situation? All the time. Then you should be used to it!	Sep 29 23:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Review: Silent Circle Blackphone 2 Sub Title:	Sep 30 00:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Exclusive Interview: Emby Founder Luke	Sep 30 00:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Developer Proposes a Method for	Sep 30 00:36
TweetTuxMachines	Detecting Native Ubuntu Touch Apps	Sep 30 00:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Developer Proposes a Method for Detecting Native Ubuntu Touch Apps \| Tux Machines		Sep 30 00:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines These are the 7 best new features of Android	Sep 30 00:36
TweetTuxMachines	Marshmallow http://t.co/ZT57xUazYp	Sep 30 00:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BQ Ubuntu "Convergent" Phone Launch Slips into	Sep 30 00:36
TweetTuxMachines	2016 http://t.co/olgRV2IlqI	Sep 30 00:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Next Ubuntu Touch OTA Update to Enter Feature	Sep 30 00:36
TweetTuxMachines	Freeze http://t.co/v8zK6aSHCE	Sep 30 00:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Next Ubuntu Touch OTA Update to Enter Feature Freeze \| Tux Machines		Sep 30 00:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: VectorLinux Light Has That Old-School Linux Feeling http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/82538.html?rss=1		Sep 30 01:59
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schestowitz	"I prefer #stumpwm to any other WM myself."	Sep 30 01:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Longtime Linux developer on new tech and new	Sep 30 02:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Snappy Core 15.04 Image Released for	Sep 30 02:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Longtime Linux developer on new tech and new contributors \| Tux Machines		Sep 30 02:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techworm.net \| New and Improved Ubuntu Snappy Core 15.04 Raspberry Pi 2 Image Released		Sep 30 02:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines An inside look at open source at Twitter	Sep 30 02:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Open Source Interface Conundrum: Will Linux	Sep 30 02:03
TweetTuxMachines	Ever Be Touch-Ready? http://t.co/E6UUIIEhk0	Sep 30 02:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Open Source Interface Conundrum: Will Linux Ever Be Touch-Ready? \| Tux Machines		Sep 30 02:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Pivotal goes after Oracle and 'the traditional	Sep 30 02:03
TweetTuxMachines	database' with open source HAWQ	Sep 30 02:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Pivotal goes after Oracle and 'the traditional database' with open source HAWQ \| Tux Machines		Sep 30 02:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Maintaining momentum in an open-source	Sep 30 02:03
TweetTuxMachines	community http://t.co/S7EUStmIMt	Sep 30 02:03
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 30 02:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Maintaining momentum in an open-source community \| Tux Machines		Sep 30 02:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Doors opening for open source data	Sep 30 02:38
TweetTuxMachines	visualization tools http://t.co/aKzrmiLjE0	Sep 30 02:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Doors opening for open source data visualization tools \| Tux Machines		Sep 30 02:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Red Hat was upgraded by analysts at Zacks from	Sep 30 02:38
TweetTuxMachines	a “hold” rating to a “buy” rating."	Sep 30 02:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Palau may be tiny but apparently Paluans love	Sep 30 02:38
TweetTuxMachines	GNU/Linux." http://t.co/oKm3TPmFwY	Sep 30 02:38
TweetTuxMachines	(mrpogson.com)	Sep 30 02:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mrpogson.com \| GNU/Linux Breaks Out On Desktops In Palau \| Robert Pogson		Sep 30 02:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hello from Fedora 23! http://t.co/7gx1V7piwN	Sep 30 11:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ankursinha.in \| Hello from Fedora 23! - ankursinha.in/blog		Sep 30 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	(ankursinha.in) "upgraded not one, not two, not	Sep 30 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	three, but four of my Fedora systems"	Sep 30 11:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Multi-boot stick update: TAILS 1.6, SysresCD	Sep 30 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	4.6.0, GParted 0.23, Debian 8.2	Sep 30 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ZaR9DJAKlD (www.preining.info)	Sep 30 11:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.preining.info \| Multi-boot stick update: TAILS 1.6, SysresCD 4.6.0, GParted 0.23, Debian 8.2 \| There and back again		Sep 30 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines [Developer] Wow, Developer Mode now available	Sep 30 11:20
TweetTuxMachines	on Samsung Smart Tizen TVs	Sep 30 11:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/VdNThbC7xq (www.tizenexperts.com)	Sep 30 11:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com \| [Developer] Wow, Developer Mode now available on Samsung Smart Tizen TVs - Tizen Experts		Sep 30 11:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Humble Indie Bundle 15 Brings a Ton of Linux	Sep 30 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	Games Including Skullgirls	Sep 30 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/aOhzaQzotB (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 30 11:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 'Alien: Isolation - The Collection' Launching	Sep 30 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	Sept. 29 For Linux http://t.co/1eVKCbq8dG	Sep 30 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.techtimes.com) http://t.co/DVbJury69b	Sep 30 11:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techtimes.com \| 'Alien: Isolation - The Collection' Launching Sept. 29 For Linux And Mac: Here Are The System Requirements : PERSONAL TECH : Tech Times		Sep 30 11:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Alien: Isolation for Linux Delayed in the Launch Day - Softpedia		Sep 30 11:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux PC for $9 http://t.co/ZGzMXmYlYV	Sep 30 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.fudzilla.com)	Sep 30 11:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fudzilla.com \| Linux PC for $9		Sep 30 11:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The @LinuxFoundation Says You Should Install	Sep 30 11:37
TweetTuxMachines	Linux on Your #Chromebook	Sep 30 11:37
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/U4xhjjYxGq (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 30 11:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| The Linux Foundation Says You Should Install Linux on Your Chromebook - Softpedia		Sep 30 11:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Patches Two Linux Kernel	Sep 30 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	Vulnerabilities in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS	Sep 30 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/VSHlhHz0sH (linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 30 12:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Canonical Patches Two Linux Kernel Vulnerabilities in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS - Softpedia		Sep 30 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Jotun Is a Beautifully Crafted Adventure Game	Sep 30 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	for Linux	Sep 30 12:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Alien: Isolation on Linux requires 4GB of RAM,	Sep 30 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	35GB HDD space http://t.co/CxSIPcr9kE	Sep 30 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tweaktown.com)	Sep 30 12:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tweaktown.com \| Alien: Isolation on Linux requires 4GB of RAM, 35GB HDD space		Sep 30 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How Would Software Freedom Have Helped With VW?	Sep 30 12:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/dVpDGrvXti (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 30 12:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Security Leftovers http://t.co/RuJmASanYM	Sep 30 12:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Linux Foundation Says You Should Install	Sep 30 12:03
TweetTuxMachines	Linux on Your Chromebook http://t.co/ZCgviAqeVs	Sep 30 12:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Gaming Keeps Getting Better	Sep 30 12:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Gaming Keeps Getting Better \| Tux Machines		Sep 30 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines #microsoft ‘loves’ #linux so much that it	Sep 30 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	continues to extort it using #patents	Sep 30 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/uX0nniPeTU (www.zdnet.com) #swpats	Sep 30 12:36
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TweetTuxMachines	#racketeering #ricoact	Sep 30 12:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A look at Calamares: A distribution-independent	Sep 30 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	system installer http://t.co/x5fngHTsKf	Sep 30 12:36
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxbsdos.com)	Sep 30 12:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxbsdos.com \| Calamares: A distribution-independent system installer \| LinuxBSDos.com		Sep 30 12:36
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/649180917261537280	Sep 30 12:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @FreiheitExpert, I wonder if I'm the only person I know who turns the location transmitter in devices off & on?		Sep 30 12:48
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/649188220241059840	Sep 30 12:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @FreiheitExpert, that doesn't sound good. Do you follow @schestowitz? I have learned a lot from his tweets.		Sep 30 12:49
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/649188750900264960	Sep 30 12:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: А вот это серьезно по небезопасности отпечатков пальцев. https://t.co/V2A5aVDiGG		Sep 30 12:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Hackers Prove Fingerprints Are Not Secure, Now What? http://t.co/3eOJ4sXPlv #security #biometrics		Sep 30 12:49
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DaemonFC	I'm on my Chromebook. My desktop computer is somewhere in this mess. We're living in John's efficiency apartment for a few days while they get a much bigger one ready.	Sep 30 12:50
DaemonFC	MinceR: I took the two kittens we had left to the SPCA to get their shots and deworming and to get them spayed. They'll be up for adoption soon.	Sep 30 12:51
DaemonFC	I gave them temporary names on the forms so that I could see where they end up going for adoption.	Sep 30 12:51
DaemonFC	I named them Rose and River. :)	Sep 30 12:52
MinceR	:)	Sep 30 12:52
DaemonFC	Jabba (my cat) and Leeloo (John's cat. He let me name her a few months ago.) are not getting along very well.	Sep 30 12:53
DaemonFC	We've been alternating them between the main living area and the walk-in closet and bathroom area.	Sep 30 12:53
DaemonFC	Every time they see each other they hiss and growl.	Sep 30 12:53
DaemonFC	I guess that'll go on for a while until they get used to the fact that they're both here now.	Sep 30 12:53
DaemonFC	The lady at the SPCA said that they wouldn't hurt each other, but I've been too afraid to just let them have it out.	Sep 30 12:54
schestowitz	Hi DaemonFC	Sep 30 12:54
DaemonFC	When we get the bigger apartment, I'll let them hiss and growl and run away from each other like she said they would.	Sep 30 12:54
DaemonFC	Hi! :)	Sep 30 12:55
schestowitz	Who is John?	Sep 30 12:55
DaemonFC	boyfriend	Sep 30 12:55
schestowitz	Madame harmon\s latest bf?	Sep 30 12:55
DaemonFC	No, mine.	Sep 30 12:55
schestowitz	Ah, OK	Sep 30 12:55
schestowitz	I thought maybe Gonad the Barbarian II	Sep 30 12:55
schestowitz	With his viagra stash	Sep 30 12:55
DaemonFC	I told John that we can get Leeloo spayed next month when the Hope For Animals place can get her in.	Sep 30 12:56
DaemonFC	Jabba's fixed, so there won't be any Jabbaloo kittens running around.	Sep 30 12:56
DaemonFC	LMAO	Sep 30 12:56
DaemonFC	schestowitz: Yeah, that happened already.	Sep 30 12:56
schestowitz	spayed, eh/	Sep 30 12:56
schestowitz	So you're not "pro lifer"	Sep 30 12:56
DaemonFC	Dave. They're still not divorced yet.	Sep 30 12:56
schestowitz	Or maybe that applies not to non-human animals in the US...	Sep 30 12:56
DaemonFC	schestowitz: She was pregnant when we found her.	Sep 30 12:57
schestowitz	"baby killer!"	Sep 30 12:57
DaemonFC	So we took care of the five kittens she had. We found people to adopt three of them directly, but the last two went to the SPCA. They'll be up for adoption at Petsmart most likely.	Sep 30 12:57
DaemonFC	schestowitz: I don't think that there's anything wrong with getting a cat neutered or spayed so that it won't produce any more kittens.	Sep 30 12:58
DaemonFC	There's too many roaming the streets as it is. They're not in any danger of going extinct.	Sep 30 12:58
msb_	DaemonFC: The two cats that don't like each other -- are their claws trimmed?	Sep 30 12:58
DaemonFC	Jabba was declawed before I got him.	Sep 30 12:59
DaemonFC	We're not getting Leeloo declawed.	Sep 30 12:59
DaemonFC	I read up on it, and I think it should be illegal to get a cat declawed,	Sep 30 12:59
DaemonFC	It is in 37 countries, but not in the US, except for 8 cities.	Sep 30 13:00
DaemonFC	The operation is dangerous and it can cause more problems for you and the cat than it solves.	Sep 30 13:00
DaemonFC	It's better to get them a scratching post and encourage them to use that.	Sep 30 13:00
DaemonFC	I like cats, but they reproduce like crazy if you don't get that taken care of.	Sep 30 13:02
DaemonFC	A breeding pair of cats can result in 480,000 kittens in just 7 years.	Sep 30 13:02
DaemonFC	Nature is harsh, so it encourages reproducing in huge numbers so that some will live on to have offspring themselves.	Sep 30 13:03
msb_	I said claws _trimmed_, not declawed. Get a wire-stripper like this: http://learning.hccs.edu/faculty/khansaa.almansor1/cett1321/wiring-2/wiring-1/wire-stripper/image	Sep 30 13:03
DaemonFC	In nature, humans only live 35 or 40 years. That's why I crack up when people say they want to "go back to nature".	Sep 30 13:03
MinceR	religion poisons everything >> http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/next-door-to-delhi-mob-kills-50-year-old-injures-son-over-rumours-they-ate-beef/	Sep 30 13:04
DaemonFC	Modern living has doubled our life expectancy. I wonder how many people really want to give that up.	Sep 30 13:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-indianexpress.com \| Dadri: Mob kills man, injures son over ‘rumours’ that they ate beef \| The Indian Express [ http://ur1.ca/nvvym ]		Sep 30 13:04
msb_	Adjust the screw so it can close completely. Then press on the cat's toe so the claw emerges, and place the tip of the claw -- the clear part only, not containing blood vessels -- in the triangular notches of the wirestripper and close it. That cuts the claw from 4 sides so it doesn't split.	Sep 30 13:05
msb_	Repeat for all front and back claws. Removing the sharp tip of the claw greatly decreases the amount of injury it can cause.	Sep 30 13:07
msb_	DaemonFC: some cats need wrapping in a towel and holding by another person to trim their claws. Some don't mind, especially if you only do a few claws at a time.	Sep 30 13:09
msb_	Of course, only indoor-only cats should have their claws trimmed.	Sep 30 13:10
msb_	DaemonFC: You can also have the vet grind off the very tips of the fangs of an indoor cat during neutering/spaying if it bites.	Sep 30 13:12
msb_	DaemonFC: Neither claw-trimming nor fang de-pointing detracts from the quality of life of an indoor-only cat in any way. They can still climb scratching-posts, chew meat, etc.	Sep 30 13:13
DaemonFC	She's a good cat.	Sep 30 13:13
DaemonFC	Very mild mannered.	Sep 30 13:13
DaemonFC	Yeah, I had to have a tooth resurfaced once. It worked out okay. I'd imagine it's about the same for a cat.	Sep 30 13:14
msb_	Please spread the word on the wire-stripper. All Radio Shacks have them for $5 or less, and they do a much better job than the claw trimmers from a pet store that only cut the claw from 2 sides instead of 4.	Sep 30 13:16
msb_	Those can painfully split the claw.	Sep 30 13:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Gaming Keeps Getting Better	Sep 30 13:18
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/sklPSPxyEX (fossforce.com)	Sep 30 13:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com \| Linux Gaming Keeps Getting Better \| FOSS Force		Sep 30 13:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New Chromecast devices target HDTVs and sound	Sep 30 13:18
TweetTuxMachines	systems http://t.co/6Re36Onlvu	Sep 30 13:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| New Chromecast devices target HDTVs and sound systems · LinuxGizmos.com		Sep 30 13:18
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Sep 30 13:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Container Security with SELinux and CoreOS	Sep 30 13:18
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/WfnxpXw1E1 (linuxbsdos.com)	Sep 30 13:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxbsdos.com \| Container Security with SELinux and CoreOS \| LinuxBSDos.com		Sep 30 13:18
msb_	DaemonFC: Claw trimming only has to be done about once a week. It takes the cat that long to sharpen them up again on the scratching-post or carpet.	Sep 30 13:22
msb_	DaemonFC: Some cats enjoy being turned on their back on a bed and wrestling with your hand. That's much more fun for the person if the cat's claws can't wound them.	Sep 30 13:24
DaemonFC	yeah, leeloo got me the other day	Sep 30 13:25
DaemonFC	she didn't mean to	Sep 30 13:25
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/649196567962980352	Sep 30 13:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Estimating the total cost of collaborative projects @schestowitz http://t.co/M63sWlsnJo		Sep 30 13:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.linuxfoundation.org \| Estimating the Total Development Cost of Linux Foundation’s Collaborative Projects		Sep 30 13:25
cubexyz	ok, I can make some remarks on why the firmware situation is so poor	Sep 30 13:27
cubexyz	first of all the BIOS writers, with the exception of Coreboot/Libreboot are using Microsoft programming tool to write the BIOS	Sep 30 13:29
cubexyz	Microsoft also added things to the PCI spec	Sep 30 13:29
cubexyz	the trend almost from the very beginning of the IBM PC was to use Microsoft programming tools	Sep 30 13:30
msb_	What things, and does the MS assembler write bad code?	Sep 30 13:30
cubexyz	Award was using different Masm versions, so was Intel/IBM	Sep 30 13:31
cubexyz	well it's bad in that it's highly proprietary closed source code	Sep 30 13:32
cubexyz	also some of the chips used in motherboards you have to sign an NDA to see the datasheets	Sep 30 13:32
cubexyz	and of course with secure boot/intel boot guard you couldn't even change the firmware if you wanted to	Sep 30 13:33
cubexyz	standard price to get the source code (and sign the NDA)?	Sep 30 13:34
cubexyz	at least $20K	Sep 30 13:34
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cubexyz	short story: Intel is using consumer lock-in tactics	Sep 30 13:43
cubexyz	basically you want at least a motherboard without secure boot/intel boot guard	Sep 30 13:45
cubexyz	ideally you want a motherboard with coreboot	Sep 30 13:45
msb_	Of course I'm not recommending that anyone use any ms product, but if someone uses masm, or even msc, it's silly to shun the resulting product. I think it's also silly to take a two-thirds speed decrease on your computer in order to avoid closed-source BIOS (although it may be safer to us an AMD than an Intel CPU).	Sep 30 13:45
cubexyz	well, I'm drawing a line here	Sep 30 13:47
msb_	Ideally, yes. But since I can get a mobo in which I can turn off secure-boot/boot-guard/UEFI, and get 3 times the MIPS speed as the fastest cheap one with coreboot, I want the speed.	Sep 30 13:47
cubexyz	we'll see if things get even worse in the future	Sep 30 13:47
cubexyz	msb_, I'm getting closer to a solution	Sep 30 13:48
msb_	A fast solution?	Sep 30 13:48
cubexyz	Tyan has quietly shipping some server motherboards with coreboot	Sep 30 13:48
cubexyz	they just didn't really talk about it	Sep 30 13:48
cubexyz	yes, fast and modern	Sep 30 13:49
cubexyz	but pricey	Sep 30 13:49
msb_	Hoo-hah! For 8-core AMD?	Sep 30 13:49
msb_	How pricey?	Sep 30 13:49
cubexyz	Don't know, but historically around $400 for server motherboard	Sep 30 13:50
msb_	Are they ATX?	Sep 30 13:50
cubexyz	yes	Sep 30 13:50
msb_	Tyan has been around for a long time. I guess they're good.	Sep 30 13:51
cubexyz	my 17 year old server has a tyan	Sep 30 13:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Skullgirls has finally made a Linux	Sep 30 13:51
TweetTuxMachines	appearance!" http://t.co/khf9xAUiGc	Sep 30 13:51
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Sep 30 13:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Humble Indie Bundle 15 Has Launched, Say Hello To Skullgirls \| GamingOnLinux		Sep 30 13:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hyperspace Pinball Released For Linux, It's	Sep 30 13:51
TweetTuxMachines	Quite Cool http://t.co/xVjeRztrE4	Sep 30 13:51
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Sep 30 13:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Patches Two Linux Kernel	Sep 30 13:51
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Vulnerabilities in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS	Sep 30 13:51
TweetTuxMachines	@pkoutoupis http://t.co/VSHlhHz0sH (linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 30 13:51
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msb_	Do server mobos have full audio and lots of USB3 connections, i.e., user stuff?	Sep 30 13:52
cubexyz	I think you have to explicitly ask Tyan for coreboot firmware, otherwise you don't get it	Sep 30 13:53
cubexyz	good question	Sep 30 13:53
msb_	How is Intel using consumer lock-in tactics?	Sep 30 13:54
cubexyz	"Artec, Tyan Technexion and MSI ship coreboot for _specific systems_ on request"	Sep 30 13:54
cubexyz	I hear you can't change the CPU on some motherboards	Sep 30 13:55
cubexyz	CPU is fused to the motherboard	Sep 30 13:55
MinceR	i think i have at least 2 of those	Sep 30 13:55
MinceR	VIA EPIA and some Shuttle Atom-based bare-bones	Sep 30 13:56
cubexyz	I'm contacting Tyan about this now	Sep 30 13:57
msb_	That doesn't lock the consumer into using an Intel CPU. You can't use an AMD CPU on a mobo meant for Intel anyhow. It just saves the cost of a ZIF socket.	Sep 30 13:58
msb_	Actually it might _cost_ Intel money, because with a socket, the user might buy another, faster Intel CPU.	Sep 30 13:59
cubexyz	call it planned obsolescence then	Sep 30 14:00
msb_	cubexyz: Please ask Tyan if they have a user-type mobo (with audio, USB, etc) for an AMD FX-8350, with coreboot.	Sep 30 14:02
cubexyz	I will, but I can't get through their web portal at the moment :-/	Sep 30 14:02
msb_	Seems like the whole Net has slowed down the past couple of weeks.	Sep 30 14:04
cubexyz	you can get tyan motherboards with and without integrated audio	Sep 30 14:07
cubexyz	with AMD Opteron 1300 series	Sep 30 14:08
msb_	It's nice to have the standard ATX audio panel on the back (if the onboard audio chip is Linux compatible), and also nice to have lots of USB3 connections.	Sep 30 14:09
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TweetTuxMachines	Absolutely Stunning https://t.co/A2oarC4sLc	Oct 01 20:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Best Android smartphones for work and play:	Oct 01 20:03
abeNd-org	heh... http://betanews.com/2015/10/01/amazon-to-cease-sale-of-apple-tv-and-chromecast/	Oct 01 20:03
TweetTuxMachines	October 2015 edition https://t.co/W1pS4T4NCO	Oct 01 20:03
TweetTuxMachines	(www.zdnet.com)	Oct 01 20:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines FSF, Conservancy publish principles for	Oct 01 20:32
TweetTuxMachines	community-oriented GPL enforcement	Oct 01 20:32
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/vk5eVk3Trd (www.fsf.org)	Oct 01 20:32
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fsf.org \| FSF, Conservancy publish principles for community-oriented GPL enforcement — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software		Oct 01 20:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 3D sensing camera PC runs Linux, hits Indiegogo	Oct 01 20:32
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/4Odx0DAbuI (linuxgizmos.com)	Oct 01 20:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kubuntu 15.10 screenshot preview	Oct 01 20:36
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/GFDUd674I4 (linuxbsdos.com)	Oct 01 20:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxbsdos.com \| Preview of KDE Plasma 5 on Kubuntu 15.10 \| LinuxBSDos.com		Oct 01 20:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Launch of the Fastest Booting Linux OS, Solus,	Oct 01 20:36
TweetTuxMachines	Gets Delayed Until October 3	Oct 01 20:36
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/iiWIpgy9NG (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 01 20:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Launch of the Fastest Booting Linux OS, Solus, Gets Delayed Until October 3 - Softpedia		Oct 01 20:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The issue with embedded Linux... and the	Oct 01 20:36
TweetTuxMachines	solution https://t.co/me5tnmvQdK	Oct 01 20:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techrepublic.com \| The issue with embedded Linux... and the solution - TechRepublic		Oct 01 20:36
TweetTuxMachines	(www.techrepublic.com) "Let me set the stage	Oct 01 20:36
TweetTuxMachines	for you."	Oct 01 20:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw8z5	Oct 01 20:36
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/649669610128703489	Oct 01 20:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz I just wonder if awesomeness of Mate 1.12 will be depency on systemd... If it's that, it's a non starter to me.		Oct 01 20:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MATE 1.12 Promises to Be an Awesome Release	Oct 01 20:44
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/el2p9SEE17 (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 01 20:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| MATE 1.12 Promises to Be an Awesome Release - Softpedia		Oct 01 20:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is The Gentoo-Based Calculate Linux Faster Than	Oct 01 20:44
TweetTuxMachines	Other Distributions https://t.co/3yRIGAeAYz	Oct 01 20:44
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Oct 01 20:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Is The Gentoo-Based Calculate Linux Faster Than Other Distributions? - Phoronix		Oct 01 20:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw915	Oct 01 20:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Learn Linux Administration with Linux	Oct 01 20:45
TweetTuxMachines	Foundation Instructor Lee Elston	Oct 01 20:45
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/fKhsEnXf9O (www.linux.com)	Oct 01 20:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com \| Learn Linux Administration with Linux Foundation Instructor Lee Elston \| Linux.com		Oct 01 20:45
MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/A9ZW7Ue.jpg	Oct 01 20:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mycroft Promises Open Source, Linux-based AI	Oct 01 20:56
TweetTuxMachines	for IoT World https://t.co/XuRTDpAM1i	Oct 01 20:56
TweetTuxMachines	(thevarguy.com)	Oct 01 20:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "I published some Free rebuilds of the Android	Oct 01 20:57
TweetTuxMachines	SDK, NDK and ADT" https://t.co/Z8LiBfOgkQ	Oct 01 20:57
TweetTuxMachines	(blog.beuc.net)	Oct 01 20:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.beuc.net \| Android Free developer tools rebuilds		Oct 01 20:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Run And Gun Platformer NOT A HERO Released On	Oct 01 20:58
TweetTuxMachines	Steam For Linux https://t.co/uXMDl0LDqn	Oct 01 20:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Oct 01 20:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw949	Oct 01 20:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Run And Gun Platformer NOT A HERO Released On Steam For Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Oct 01 20:58
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6654471	Oct 01 21:06
schestowitz	"@bugsbane@joindiaspora.com still better than once will-be-open-trust-us Lightworks…"	Oct 01 21:06
schestowitz	They still pretend?	Oct 01 21:06
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/649677498045890560	Oct 01 21:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SeaH2ONymph: #US shipped 160 planeloads weapons 2 'rebels'. #CIA spent 1 billion dollars to train fighters to overthrow #Assad. https://t.co/GS6Nmgeo5n		Oct 01 21:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "That “diplomatic strategy” involves getting #Russia to endorse regime change" https://t.co/kFJuqmuodS #nytimes #pentagon #coup #syria		Oct 01 21:21
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/649681580349231104 https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/649681771529834496	Oct 01 21:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz Please, for the love of FOSS, remove the remarks from your article about Swapnil and the Microsoft + Google CEO's being Indian		Oct 01 21:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz That article is being spammed all over the place, even to the point of showing up in gaming groups.		Oct 01 21:29
schestowitz	Gaming? Which site?	Oct 01 21:29
schestowitz	Removing something leads to blowback, c/f Streisand Effect	Oct 01 21:30
schestowitz	Re: how to maintain the hype	Oct 01 21:51
schestowitz	>	Oct 01 21:51
schestowitz	> Records sales in first 3 days	Oct 01 21:51
schestowitz	> iPhone6S releases in	Oct 01 21:51
schestowitz	> http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20150928005459/en/Apple-Announces-Record-iPhone-6s-iPhone-6s#.Vgp4j5eYprK	Oct 01 21:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businesswire.com \| Apple Announces Record iPhone 6s & iPhone 6s Plus Sales \| Business Wire [ http://ur1.ca/nw9hg ]		Oct 01 21:51
schestowitz	> more than 40 countries	Oct 01 21:51
schestowitz	>	Oct 01 21:51
schestowitz	> iPhone5S (two years ago) released in	Oct 01 21:51
schestowitz	> http://bgr.com/2013/10/09/iphone-5s-release-date-new-markets/	Oct 01 21:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com \| iPhone 5s Release Date: New markets announced for Apple’s iPhones \| BGR [ http://ur1.ca/nw9hj ]		Oct 01 21:51
schestowitz	> more than 25 countries	Oct 01 21:51
schestowitz	>	Oct 01 21:51
schestowitz	> In a few years there are not enough countries for initial record sales.	Oct 01 21:51
schestowitz	>	Oct 01 21:51
schestowitz	> Maybe after the iCar there will be iCountries??? :)	Oct 01 21:51
schestowitz	Statisticians help PR people find a way to frame data in a way that supports misleading headlines.	Oct 01 21:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Escapists: The Walking Dead Released For	Oct 01 22:09
TweetTuxMachines	Linux, Here’s What I Think	Oct 01 22:10
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/SeXRhxHVtG (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Oct 01 22:10
TweetTuxMachines	"GOG sent me a key."	Oct 01 22:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| The Escapists: The Walking Dead Released For Linux, Here’s What I Think \| GamingOnLinux		Oct 01 22:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 And 15.04 Update Disables JAyatana	Oct 01 22:10
TweetTuxMachines	(Global Menu And HUD For Java Swing	Oct 01 22:10
TweetTuxMachines	Applications) By Default	Oct 01 22:10
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/q7VQlFXb25 (www.webupd8.org)	Oct 01 22:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME’s 2014 Fiscal Year Annual Report	Oct 01 22:10
TweetTuxMachines	Published https://t.co/5OvYjnvrBN	Oct 01 22:10
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gnome.org)	Oct 01 22:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnome.org \| GNOME’s 2014 Fiscal Year Annual Report Published – GNOME		Oct 01 22:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google Lines Up a Batch of Marshmallow-Ready	Oct 01 22:18
TweetTuxMachines	Hardware https://t.co/G0KtY7gXDs	Oct 01 22:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxinsider.com \| Google Lines Up a Batch of Marshmallow-Ready Hardware \| Smartphones \| LinuxInsider		Oct 01 22:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is The Gentoo-Based Calculate Linux Faster Than	Oct 01 22:18
TweetTuxMachines	Other Distributions https://t.co/vAEyZAdrr2	Oct 01 22:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Learn Linux Administration with Linux	Oct 01 22:19
TweetTuxMachines	Foundation Instructor Lee Elston	Oct 01 22:19
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/bDiYd1ZQtn (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 01 22:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Learn Linux Administration with Linux Foundation Instructor Lee Elston \| Tux Machines		Oct 01 22:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mycroft Promises Open Source, Linux-based AI	Oct 01 22:43
TweetTuxMachines	for IoT World https://t.co/Yw6k4oYfFn	Oct 01 22:43
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 01 22:43
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Transwarp Technologies uses open source and	Oct 01 22:43
TweetTuxMachines	non-proprietary Hadoop core	Oct 01 22:43
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Ykt8TaQUzN (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 01 22:43
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME’s 2014 Fiscal Year Annual Report	Oct 01 22:44
TweetTuxMachines	Published https://t.co/9nFicSgKA6	Oct 01 22:44
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 01 22:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Indian government pushes GNU/Linux for	Oct 01 22:58
TweetTuxMachines	government and Dell and others actually give it	Oct 01 22:58
TweetTuxMachines	space on retail shelves."	Oct 01 22:58
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/VmxFDM7T2c (mrpogson.com)	Oct 01 22:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mrpogson.com \| Indian GNU/Linux \| Robert Pogson		Oct 01 22:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LFS 7.8 Stable Release https://t.co/v4HfyUmdoW	Oct 01 22:58
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TweetTuxMachines	(www.linuxfromscratch.org)	Oct 01 22:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kernel 4.1.9 Has Been Released	Oct 01 22:58
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/icJKBl00v5 (linuxg.net)	Oct 01 22:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net \| Kernel 4.1.9 Has Been Released \| LinuxG.net		Oct 01 22:59
msb_	cubexyz: In 1984 PCDOS and an IBM-PC with a 15MB disk was a very limited system compared to much more expensive PDP-11s available. But it was more powerful than a PDP-8 or PDP-12 and had plug-in boards you could put your own circuitry on and control by I/O instructions. It had an assembler and C compiler (for a few hundred dollars more) and came with BASIC. I taught myself programming on such a machine and did a lot of good work on	Oct 01 23:13
msb_	it. XTREE was an excellent filemanager/editor, like mc today. I had a categorized collection of about 70 utility programs on a floppy disk that I took with me to consulting jobs. It was a good time!	Oct 01 23:13
cubexyz	sorry?	Oct 01 23:13
cubexyz	PDP-11 was what I was talking about	Oct 01 23:14
cubexyz	I'm saying that PDP-11 series was more open and more powerful than msdos machines, which it was	Oct 01 23:14
msb_	"<cubexyz> MSDOS with 640K was a joke"	Oct 01 23:15
cubexyz	you got operating system source	Oct 01 23:15
cubexyz	it was way better, but more expensive is what I said	Oct 01 23:15
cubexyz	right	Oct 01 23:15
cubexyz	so was EMS	Oct 01 23:15
cubexyz	msdos with real mode wasn't good at all	Oct 01 23:16
cubexyz	1 meg window	Oct 01 23:16
MinceR	640kB should be enough for anybody!	Oct 01 23:16
MinceR	(just like windows.)	Oct 01 23:16
cubexyz	PDP-11	Oct 01 23:17
cubexyz	PDP-11 had a proper MMU	Oct 01 23:17
cubexyz	all the higher order computers had MMUs	Oct 01 23:19
cubexyz	I wasted a lot of time programming around MSDOS limitations	Oct 01 23:20
cubexyz	himem.sys?	Oct 01 23:20
cubexyz	Amiga was better, IBM S/370 was better, Sun was better	Oct 01 23:21
cubexyz	and PDP-11 was better	Oct 01 23:21
msb_	I had a high-res color monitor and display card on my cheap PC, and wrote a lot of artistic graphics programs.	Oct 01 23:23
msb_	It had BIOS source and electrical schematics!	Oct 01 23:25
msb_	At various times I intercepted the system call interrupts and put in my own "wedges" in order to modify the actions of the BIOS and/or OS.	Oct 01 23:26
msb_	Having started on a PDP-12 with IIRC 4K of 12-bit RAM I was very happy with my much more powerful PC.	Oct 01 23:27
msb_	Maybe the 12 was only 2K.	Oct 01 23:28
cubexyz	you're jumping eras	Oct 01 23:28
msb_	No, I think PDP-12 came before the 11.	Oct 01 23:29
cubexyz	that's what I mean	Oct 01 23:29
cubexyz	PDP-12 was much earlier was it not?	Oct 01 23:29
cubexyz	compared to your .... what... 286 PC?	Oct 01 23:29
msb_	In any case I learned assembly on a 12, and then got a PC with C.	Oct 01 23:29
cubexyz	I'm guessing 286 since you mentioned BIOS source	Oct 01 23:29
msb_	My PC was 8088. The BIOS source came in a 3-ring binder for about 50-70 bucks.	Oct 01 23:30
cubexyz	ok, early 1980s then	Oct 01 23:30
msb_	including the schematics.	Oct 01 23:30
msb_	yes	Oct 01 23:30
cubexyz	my notes say PDP-12 first appeared in 1969	Oct 01 23:31
cubexyz	used to about 1972	Oct 01 23:31
cubexyz	early 1980s it would have been very difficult to get a computer in the home that had MMU	Oct 01 23:32
cubexyz	that's just the way it was	Oct 01 23:32
msb_	The apps and libraries I wrote in C fitted ok in 640K.	Oct 01 23:32
cubexyz	what I am saying is PDP-11's running Unix were better than msdos	Oct 01 23:33
msb_	sure	Oct 01 23:33
msb_	How much did they cost, including Unix?	Oct 01 23:33
msb_	For a non-institutional user.	Oct 01 23:34
cubexyz	that's a bit tricky to answer	Oct 01 23:36
cubexyz	for PDP-11/20 I know it was $60K	Oct 01 23:36
cubexyz	but the price went down over time	Oct 01 23:36
cubexyz	PDP-7 in 1965 was $72K	Oct 01 23:36
cubexyz	DEC LINC-8 was $46K in 1966	Oct 01 23:37
msb_	My PC, hard drive, display , graphic card, came in at about $6K.	Oct 01 23:37
cubexyz	PDP-8's were the cheapest for a while... $18K	Oct 01 23:37
msb_	Including C compiler	Oct 01 23:37
msb_	8's were really awful to program.	Oct 01 23:37
cubexyz	it's real mode that really bugged me	Oct 01 23:37
cubexyz	8086 limitation	Oct 01 23:38
cubexyz	with Xenix 286 the memory limits weren't as bad	Oct 01 23:38
cubexyz	right, I can image the PDP-8 was very also very limiting	Oct 01 23:38
msb_	much worse than 8088	Oct 01 23:39
cubexyz	maximum 64k?	Oct 01 23:39
msb_	640K.	Oct 01 23:39
cubexyz	no, I mean the PDP-8	Oct 01 23:40
msb_	IIRC, except for a couple of instructions it was limited to a 256Byte page.	Oct 01 23:40
msb_	like a 6502	Oct 01 23:41
msb_	I really wanted a CoCo, with a 6809, designed like a PDP-11, excellent instruction set and memory reach. But never got one.	Oct 01 23:42
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cubexyz	286 was Intel's answer to the real mode limit	Oct 01 23:43
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cubexyz	with protected mode	Oct 01 23:43
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cubexyz	but look at Intel now	Oct 01 23:45
cubexyz	not really that desirable	Oct 01 23:45
msb_	I got a 386 and used it with a very good multitasking and memory extension system from Borland (IIRC). Wrote a huge app on a contract -- real-time graphics with a software feedback loop for speed regulation, and my own display-list system, which included some conditionals.	Oct 01 23:47
cubexyz	ok... what I ended up doing back in the day was use XMS under msdos	Oct 01 23:47
cubexyz	BUT... I also wrote the same program for the amiga	Oct 01 23:47
cubexyz	the amiga version was much simpler and cleaner	Oct 01 23:48
msb_	No doubt!	Oct 01 23:48
msb_	We had limitations then and worked around them. We have limitations now.	Oct 01 23:48
msb_	When we reach the point where we can say, "Computer!" and it says, "Working", it will be a lot less fun. Thinking is fun!	Oct 01 23:50
MinceR	we're not guaranteed to reach that point	Oct 01 23:51
cubexyz	ok... but the whole IBM PC architecture was very limiting	Oct 01 23:51
MinceR	though if we did, it will probably mean that finally we have an AI that can outlast humanity	Oct 01 23:51
msb_	MinceR: And might choose to.	Oct 01 23:51
cubexyz	The 8086 was an ill-conceived attempt to provide an address space larger 64K bytes without actually incurring the costs of a larger architecture. The 8086 is basically a 16/16 architecture. It has a 16-bit program counter, a 16-bit ALU, four 16-bit general purpose registers, and some 16-bit index registers.	Oct 01 23:52
msb_	But now 86's have multiple cores with multiple pipelines, instruction prediction and caching, and clock rates higher than radar. We program them in C with good optimizing compilers. Life is good!	Oct 01 23:55
msb_	As soon as Devuan comes out.	Oct 01 23:55
cubexyz	except we went from "BIOS source here you go" to "sign an NDA and give us $20K"	Oct 01 23:58
MinceR	and soon we'll go to "you get to run osx if you buy your computer from apple or windows if you buy it from anyone else"	Oct 01 23:59
msb_	When it's time to build my new computer, if I can't get a Tyan mobo with libreboot, I'll probably get a sabretooth and kill UEFI/secure-boot on it. It can flash the BIOS from a USB stick without a CPU, so I'll have that ready, and make good backups in case the govt bricks my computer. Hell, they could just come and shoot me if they want to.	Oct 01 23:59
cubexyz	well I assume you saw the NSA ANT Catalog	Oct 02 00:00
cubexyz	I've been working on the BIOS problem for 5 years now	Oct 02 00:01
msb_	Yep. Thanks!	Oct 02 00:01
cubexyz	I have a plan about the BIOS situation	Oct 02 00:01
cubexyz	there's two different approaches	Oct 02 00:01
msb_	MinceR: I think all ASUS mobos have the option of turning off UEFI-secureboot and running any OS you want.	Oct 02 00:02
cubexyz	three actually	Oct 02 00:02
MinceR	msb_: for now.	Oct 02 00:02
cubexyz	first I want everyone to remember that Raspberry PI has proprietary firmware	Oct 02 00:02
MinceR	msb_: last time, m$ was forced by pr backlash to mandate Restricted Boot to be possible to be disabled on x86	Oct 02 00:02
cubexyz	ok option 1) buy a chromebook	Oct 02 00:02
MinceR	they already had the hw locked down on arm	Oct 02 00:03
MinceR	this time, that restriction is gone	Oct 02 00:03
cubexyz	option 2) pay minifree for a X60 laptop with libreboot	Oct 02 00:03
MinceR	so expect to see uefi appliances bearing a vista10 sticker that won't boot anything else	Oct 02 00:03
cubexyz	option 3) use the leaked AMI source and find a motherboard that works with it	Oct 02 00:03
MinceR	chromebooks, x60s and x200s are weak	Oct 02 00:03
cubexyz	our options for BIOS source code are limited	Oct 02 00:04
cubexyz	the hardware gatekeepers are stacked against us	Oct 02 00:06
MinceR	all the fascists are stacked against us	Oct 02 00:06
msb_	I don't think MS could get away with insisting that UEFI/SB not be user controllable on any mobo.	Oct 02 00:06
MinceR	m$ and crApple made closed platforms and drm hip and cool	Oct 02 00:06
MinceR	mainstream media, dumbFuckBook and m$ destroyed expectations of privacy	Oct 02 00:07
MinceR	msb_: they can	Oct 02 00:07
MinceR	m$ and crApple could get away with closing the market to competing OS-es	Oct 02 00:07
MinceR	even though the USA and the EU pretends they have antitrust regulations, and regulations against monopoly abuse	Oct 02 00:07
msb_	MinceR: We've been fighting fascists for a century. We'll go on fighting them. And with the Net, people have much better communications for organizing and fighting fascists.	Oct 02 00:08
MinceR	we will	Oct 02 00:08
MinceR	but we're losing	Oct 02 00:08
MinceR	yeah, the net is being killed too	Oct 02 00:08
MinceR	red china started it with their great firewall	Oct 02 00:08
MinceR	many others are following	Oct 02 00:08
MinceR	russia is also employing internet censorship	Oct 02 00:08
MinceR	now the UN is plotting for global internet censorship	Oct 02 00:08
MinceR	and we have fascist megacorporations trying to destroy net neutrality	Oct 02 00:08
MinceR	people who have lived through fascist oppression in dictatorship seemed to have forgotten their suffering	Oct 02 00:09
msb_	MinceR: You always look at the absolute worst possibilities. That's a limitation of your mind, which you might overcome if you read that CBT pamphlet. You ignore the infinite possibilities of human creativity.	Oct 02 00:10
MinceR	i'm well aware of the possibilities	Oct 02 00:10
MinceR	but i can see that the majority is instead marching to put their hands in manacles willingly and happily	Oct 02 00:10
msb_	If you watch RT you'll see people protesting every day in many different nations about various issues.	Oct 02 00:11
MinceR	and if you watch RT you'll see blatant advertising of a fascist dictatorship	Oct 02 00:12
MinceR	you'll also see putin's stereotypical fascist posturing	Oct 02 00:12
msb_	Actually, you don't. But even if you did, that doesn';t change what I said, which refutes your idea of "marching to put their hands in manacles willingly".	Oct 02 00:13
MinceR	actually, the fact that you keep promoting RT and putin shows that even you put your hands in manacles willingly	Oct 02 00:14
msb_	Lots of people are uniting in political action all over the world.	Oct 02 00:14
MinceR	yes, usually for the worse	Oct 02 00:14
cubexyz	I think Mincer was referred to Ipads, Windows 10 Laptops, that sort of thing	Oct 02 00:14
MinceR	hungarians united to get rid of that pesky democracy	Oct 02 00:14
MinceR	and they got what they wanted	Oct 02 00:14
cubexyz	not being an educated consumer	Oct 02 00:14
MinceR	cubexyz: yes, in part	Oct 02 00:14
MinceR	i think there's a general theme here	Oct 02 00:14
cubexyz	Satellite TV is heavily DRMed	Oct 02 00:15
cubexyz	and laden with commercials	Oct 02 00:15
MinceR	even our display connector standards tend to be laden with DRM	Oct 02 00:15
MinceR	even the formerly open web supports DRM now	Oct 02 00:16
cubexyz	DRM is usually defeated though	Oct 02 00:17
MinceR	yes, as long as we have general-purpose computers and audio and video recording devices	Oct 02 00:17
msb_	MinceR: You're now stuck in your paranoid depressive delusions. I won't argue with you anymore. Read the CBT booklet. Maybe you can help yourself.	Oct 02 00:18
MinceR	the former is being taken away from us	Oct 02 00:18
MinceR	and the latter are slowly being replaced by computer-based devices that are increasingly subject to centralized control	Oct 02 00:18
MinceR	consumer idiots love their hypePhones and hypePads, with their closed platforms and backdoors	Oct 02 00:18
MinceR	i remember seeing crApple patenting means to shut down their devices' recording capabilities remotely so they can't be used to record the abuses of governments	Oct 02 00:19
MinceR	there's no outrage	Oct 02 00:19
MinceR	these fascists are worshipped as gods	Oct 02 00:19
msb_	To claim that when we now have dozens of different Linux SBCs for less that $50 is the height of nuttiness!	Oct 02 00:19
MinceR	yeah, i wonder if we'll be allowed to keep our SBCs	Oct 02 00:20
msb_	China can always make more!	Oct 02 00:20
MinceR	whether they will is another matter	Oct 02 00:20
MinceR	as is whether they'll be allowed to cross our borders	Oct 02 00:20
MinceR	remember that we have provisions for inspecting people's data storage devices on border crossing	Oct 02 00:21
msb_	Yeah yeah. Stalin raped Hungary 50 years ago so the world is doomed now. MinceR, you fill this channel with insanity.	Oct 02 00:22
MinceR	stalin did "raped" not only hungary and not only 50 years ago	Oct 02 00:22
MinceR	and you support his legacy	Oct 02 00:22
msb_	You're lying. Blow it out your ass.	Oct 02 00:22
MinceR	and there are fascists that are seemingly independent of him, too	Oct 02 00:23
MinceR	being rude doesn't make putin any less of a fascist	Oct 02 00:23
msb_	As I said, and as you totally ignored, fascism is a matter of degree.	Oct 02 00:23
MinceR	yes, and exactly 0 degree is which is acceptable	Oct 02 00:24
MinceR	and russian-style dictatorships take it a lot further than the likes of crApple	Oct 02 00:24
msb_	Putin is doing much more to fight fascism than to enforce it.	Oct 02 00:24
MinceR	with crApple, you may be left alone as long as you don't use a computer and aren't perceived by one	Oct 02 00:24
MinceR	with putin, you'll rot in a gulag if you stand up against him	Oct 02 00:25
MinceR	or you'll be murdered	Oct 02 00:25
msb_	So why are you still walking around?	Oct 02 00:25
MinceR	his army hasn't yet reached here	Oct 02 00:25
MinceR	and his cronies are more occupied with robbing us blind before the country collapses than killing us	Oct 02 00:26
msb_	It doesn't need an army, only one assassin.	Oct 02 00:26
MinceR	i don't think i'm individually targeted	Oct 02 00:26
MinceR	only as a member of certain groups	Oct 02 00:26
MinceR	yet	Oct 02 00:26
msb_	Why not? You attack Putin in public dozens of times a day.	Oct 02 00:27
MinceR	i don't own any media outlets	Oct 02 00:27
msb_	:<MinceR> with putin, you'll rot in a gulag if you stand up against him"	Oct 02 00:27
msb_	you use this media outlet	Oct 02 00:27
MinceR	i didn't know this was a media outlet	Oct 02 00:27
MinceR	i had the impression that this was an irc channel, ignored by the masses	Oct 02 00:28
msb_	Any of the masses can access it, or it's log on the web.	Oct 02 00:28
msb_	its	Oct 02 00:28
MinceR	they don't care to, though	Oct 02 00:28
MinceR	and even if they did, they wouldn't understand any of it	Oct 02 00:29
MinceR	just as they don't understand how the devices they believe to own are really owned by someone else	Oct 02 00:29
msb_	You keep changing the subject to avoid the refutation of your nutty claims: "<MinceR> with putin, you'll rot in a gulag if you stand up against him"	Oct 02 00:30
MinceR	if you think that's nutty, read up on what putler did to his political enemies	Oct 02 00:31
MinceR	and what he did to ukrainians	Oct 02 00:31
MinceR	and read up on the organization he was a member of, and what sort of regime that he served there	Oct 02 00:32
MinceR	of course you won't understand it	Oct 02 00:32
MinceR	because if someone calls themselves "socialist", you immediately give them carte blanche to do whatever crimes against humanity they feel like doing	Oct 02 00:32
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schestowitz	"The present VP3, Mr Van der Eijk, is on unlimited sick leave and thus out of function."	Oct 02 10:05
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schestowitz	"Maybe some of your other sources know more about this ?"	Oct 02 10:08
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amonobeax	Has anybody released Microsoft's numbers on Win10?	Oct 02 12:03
msb_	Yes. It is 666.	Oct 02 12:04
amonobeax	lol	Oct 02 12:05
amonobeax	nice	Oct 02 12:05
amonobeax	seriously tho	Oct 02 12:05
schestowitz	amonobeax: hi	Oct 02 12:05
amonobeax	I keep hearing it's a big success	Oct 02 12:05
schestowitz	not Microsoft	Oct 02 12:05
schestowitz	their Hamdi or whatever exec said something	Oct 02 12:06
schestowitz	but not concrete numbers	Oct 02 12:06
schestowitz	more like an infographics	Oct 02 12:06
amonobeax	but for a company which already owns 95% of the desktop market share	Oct 02 12:06
amonobeax	I don't think this is true...	Oct 02 12:06
schestowitz	as Microsoft's Endstromm-sourced PR head (forgot his name) did re Vista 7	Oct 02 12:06
schestowitz	They always find some clever ways to lie	Oct 02 12:06
schestowitz	without giving the hard numbers	Oct 02 12:06
schestowitz	the PR man was Shaw	Oct 02 12:06
schestowitz	can't recall his first name, I know their tactics	Oct 02 12:07
schestowitz	they're PROFESSIONAL liars	Oct 02 12:07
schestowitz	how to lie without being accused as such	Oct 02 12:07
schestowitz	[12:05] <amonobeax> I keep hearing it's a big success	Oct 02 12:07
schestowitz	who from?	Oct 02 12:07
schestowitz	[12:06] <amonobeax> but for a company which already owns 95% of the desktop market share	Oct 02 12:07
amonobeax	Maybe we'll know the data when they have to talk to inverstors	Oct 02 12:07
schestowitz	not 95%	Oct 02 12:07
schestowitz	not anymore	Oct 02 12:07
schestowitz	amonobeax: no, they don't have an obligation to tell investors that	Oct 02 12:07
amonobeax	not obligation, ok, but who will invest into your company without data...	Oct 02 12:08
amonobeax	that's too dumb even for M$	Oct 02 12:08
amonobeax	I heard it from a couple of tech sites	Oct 02 12:09
msb_	Did MS automatically without charge upgrade all copies of windows 8 to windows 10?	Oct 02 12:09
amonobeax	I know Windows is auto downloading win10	Oct 02 12:10
amonobeax	but auto installing idk	Oct 02 12:10
msb_	I thought I saw that somewhere.	Oct 02 12:10
amonobeax	but it's 1 step from it really	Oct 02 12:10
amonobeax	maybe you're right then	Oct 02 12:10
msb_	If they include those automatic copies of w10, they can claim huge success even though nobody really wanted it.	Oct 02 12:11
amonobeax	true	Oct 02 12:11
amonobeax	I'm curious about what are they going to do when they have a big chunk of the market share on win10	Oct 02 12:12
msb_	Anyhow, success for microsoft is injury to humanity.	Oct 02 12:12
amonobeax	cause then they'll start closing the trap	Oct 02 12:12
msb_	But sadly, the same is true for systemd.	Oct 02 12:12
amonobeax	sry for my ignorance	Oct 02 12:13
amonobeax	don't even know what this is	Oct 02 12:13
schestowitz	microsoft can count downloads	Oct 02 12:13
schestowitz	as in, how many PCs they 'threw' the blob at	Oct 02 12:13
schestowitz	but anyway, it all boils down to definitions	Oct 02 12:13
schestowitz	that's how Microsoft always games the numbers	Oct 02 12:13
schestowitz	like claiming an enterprise eligible to 100 Vista 7 installs counts as "100 sales"	Oct 02 12:14
schestowitz	as they did at the time	Oct 02 12:14
schestowitz	they try to sell people the illusion that everyone is movin g	Oct 02 12:14
schestowitz	invoking cattle effect	Oct 02 12:14
msb_	It's a huge blob of software from Red Hat that violates Unix/Linux design/engineering principles, and which, despite being unnecessary, has been adopted by most major Linux distributions.	Oct 02 12:14
schestowitz	and then some people foolishly move/change	Oct 02 12:14
schestowitz	self-fulfilling prophecies.	Oct 02 12:15
amonobeax	awww I heard about it I guess msb_	Oct 02 12:15
amonobeax	If it's clearly harmful why distros are embracing it ?	Oct 02 12:15
msb_	The US govt is RedHat's biggest customer. Systemd may in the future provide a backdoor for the US govt to kill all Linux computers that use it.	Oct 02 12:16
amonobeax	schestowitz: what is really bothering me right now is the fact that M$ could be stealing opensource code	Oct 02 12:16
schestowitz	the distro they made?	Oct 02 12:16
amonobeax	and we can't do shit cause they are close sourced	Oct 02 12:16
msb_	That's a big question. We haven't been able to figure out the answer.	Oct 02 12:16
schestowitz	if they don't release, then gpl won't force them to	Oct 02 12:16
schestowitz	unlike agpl	Oct 02 12:17
schestowitz	if only used internally for azure	Oct 02 12:17
schestowitz	but microsoft is so secretive	Oct 02 12:17
schestowitz	that we don't know what code is used, when, how...	Oct 02 12:17
schestowitz	Microsoft has a history of GPL violations	Oct 02 12:17
schestowitz	in China and in Linux, not sure the China one was GPL	Oct 02 12:17
schestowitz	Juko?	Oct 02 12:18
schestowitz	Something like that	Oct 02 12:18
schestowitz	I forgot the company's name	Oct 02 12:18
schestowitz	I can look it up, wrote a lot about it at the time	Oct 02 12:18
amonobeax	Again msb_, if it's clear that it's harmful why the adoption ?	Oct 02 12:18
amonobeax	are distro dev's crazy?	Oct 02 12:19
amonobeax	or something	Oct 02 12:19
msb_	Bribery, threats, stupidity, are all possibilities.	Oct 02 12:19
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amonobeax	I'll read more about it	Oct 02 12:20
amonobeax	I guess I saw a video in which Linus himself say systemd was ok	Oct 02 12:21
amonobeax	so I really don't know what to think	Oct 02 12:21
msb_	All the evil that's been going on in the world. The US govt destr0ying half a dozen nations and murdering millions. There's no limit to what it may be doing secretly.	Oct 02 12:21
msb_	Linus' concern is only the kernel, and systemd is outside the kernel.	Oct 02 12:22
amonobeax	still this was his opinion on the matter	Oct 02 12:22
amonobeax	I guess it was on a Debian thingy	Oct 02 12:22
msb_	Still you would think that he and Richard Stallman would have spoken out against it. But they haven't.	Oct 02 12:23
msb_	People are working on a Debian variant called Devuan without systemd, but with up-to-date application and system software.	Oct 02 12:24
msb_	It's our best hope.	Oct 02 12:24
amonobeax	I see	Oct 02 12:24
amonobeax	isn't systemd switchable in most distros?	Oct 02 12:25
msb_	No. Not in any.	Oct 02 12:25
msb_	The initialization setup with and without it are very different.	Oct 02 12:26
schestowitz	people are afraid of criticising systemd now	Oct 02 12:26
schestowitz	it's stigmatisied with homophobia and other things now	Oct 02 12:26
amonobeax	what	Oct 02 12:27
schestowitz	even with mono there was no such stigma	Oct 02 12:27
amonobeax	homophobia, why	Oct 02 12:27
schestowitz	the only stigma was "anti-Microsoft"	Oct 02 12:27
schestowitz	because LP is a homosexual	Oct 02 12:27
amonobeax	omg...	Oct 02 12:27
schestowitz	and some people trolled him over systemd in an abusive, personal fashion	Oct 02 12:27
msb_	First time I've heard that!	Oct 02 12:27
amonobeax	I'm no tech guy	Oct 02 12:28
schestowitz	so if you don't like systemd -> you hate LP -> you're harassing homosexuals	Oct 02 12:28
amonobeax	so swtching defaults is really painful for me	Oct 02 12:28
amonobeax	I'll keep track on things tho	Oct 02 12:28
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schestowitz	IMHO, far from the first time women's right and gay/LGBT rights are exploited within FOSS	Oct 02 12:29
msb_	I've used Suse Linux for 15 years. Before this it was superbly designed. Now I'll be very sad to leave it.	Oct 02 12:29
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schestowitz	don't leave, it'll be fine	Oct 02 12:30
msb_	There's another matter that a guy here called cubexyz has explained in detail. There are secret backdoors in the BIOS of many computers that can allow the govt to come in and control them.	Oct 02 12:30
schestowitz	There are attacks on it from provocatuers who want power	Oct 02 12:30
schestowitz	Microsoft, IBM, Intel...	Oct 02 12:30
schestowitz	you can't just decide to defect because it's no longer underdog	Oct 02 12:31
schestowitz	meaning many want to dominate it and try to take it under their own (C), like Red Hat with syustemd	Oct 02 12:31
schestowitz	msb_: also HDD firmware	Oct 02 12:31
schestowitz	!google hard drive nsa	Oct 02 12:31
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - How the NSA's Firmware Hacking Works and Why It's So Unsettling ... \| http://www.wired.com/2015/02/nsa-firmware-hacking/	Oct 02 12:32
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Your hard drives were RIDDLED with NSA SPYWARE for YEARS ... \| http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/17/kaspersky_labs_equation_group/	Oct 02 12:32
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - There's no way of knowing if the NSA's spyware is on your hard drive \| http://www.computerworld.com/article/2885069/theres-no-way-of-knowing-if-the-nsas-spyware-is-on-your-hard-drive.html	Oct 02 12:32
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - NSA planted surveillance software on hard drives, report says - CNET \| http://www.cnet.com/news/nsa-planted-surveillance-software-on-hard-drives-report/	Oct 02 12:32
msb_	schestowitz: If you're talking to me, I'm leaving Suse because it has been ruined with systemd.	Oct 02 12:32
schestowitz	suse works with NSA	Oct 02 12:32
schestowitz	SUSE did	Oct 02 12:32
schestowitz	SuSE	Oct 02 12:32
schestowitz	I think Novell did too, thereafter	Oct 02 12:32
schestowitz	I think that them and Red Hat worked on the build process	Oct 02 12:32
schestowitz	which inspired no confidence, quite the contrary	Oct 02 12:32
schestowitz	they can add some 90th minute one liner	Oct 02 12:32
schestowitz	!google one line X server critical hole	Oct 02 12:33
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Extremely critical crypto flaw in iOS may also affect fully patched ... \| http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/02/extremely-critical-crypto-flaw-in-ios-may-also-affect-fully-patched-macs/	Oct 02 12:33
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Anatomy of a 22-year-old X Window bug: Get root with newly ... \| http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/09/x11_has_privilege_escalation_bug/	Oct 02 12:33
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Apple security bug: A critical flaw was extraordinarily simple. - Slate \| http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/02/apple_security_bug_a_critical_flaw_was_extraordinarily_simple.html	Oct 02 12:33
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - ImperialViolet - Apple's SSL/TLS bug \| https://www.imperialviolet.org/2014/02/22/applebug.html	Oct 02 12:33
schestowitz	should be something about a single character	Oct 02 12:33
schestowitz	in a conditional statement	Oct 02 12:33
schestowitz	not nested with " IIRC	Oct 02 12:33
schestowitz	and causing remote exploit through the frame buffer/graphics	Oct 02 12:33
schestowitz	around 2006	Oct 02 12:33
schestowitz	But it's too old to be easily locatable on the web now	Oct 02 12:33
msb_	It's something like that that I anticipate being done with systemd.	Oct 02 12:34
schestowitz	I also now struggle to find the article that says NSA works with SUSE on building the distro	Oct 02 12:34
schestowitz	SLES/D	Oct 02 12:34
schestowitz	I think I covered it and linked to it around 2007	Oct 02 12:34
schestowitz	and it was from a credible source	Oct 02 12:34
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schestowitz	so I don't trust SUSE	Oct 02 12:34
schestowitz	!google binary bridges SUSE Novell techrights	Oct 02 12:34
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - 2007 September \| Techrights \| http://techrights.org/2007/09/	Oct 02 12:34
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Mono - Techrights \| http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Mono	Oct 02 12:34
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - 2012 June 13 \| Techrights \| http://techrights.org/2012/06/13/	Oct 02 12:34
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - SUSE & Patent FUD: Who Do We Boycott Now? \| FOSS Force \| http://fossforce.com/2011/07/suse-patent-fud-who-do-we-boycott-now/	Oct 02 12:34
schestowitz	I got mocked by some people at the time for this	Oct 02 12:35
schestowitz	It was mostly just links publicly-available at the time	Oct 02 12:35
schestowitz	well before the NSA leaks	Oct 02 12:35
schestowitz	techrights.org/2008/04/30/binary-bridges-and-security/	Oct 02 12:36
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2008/04/30/binary-bridges-and-security/	Oct 02 12:36
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msb_	Anyhow, to have a reliable computer, it's now necessary to use a Tyan motherboard with Libreboot open-source BIOS, and Devuan Linux (when it's ready).	Oct 02 12:36
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/649910151810547712	Oct 02 12:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @schestowitz @FOSSpatents thanks, weird stuff...		Oct 02 12:37
schestowitz	msb_: keep it up to date, the bios is the least among your worries if you don't	Oct 02 12:37
msb_	Of course that won't work for people who want to use a computer they already have.	Oct 02 12:37
schestowitz	and don't install any blobs	Oct 02 12:37
schestowitz	not even graphics driver from nvidia	Oct 02 12:37
schestowitz	firmware MIGHT be less harmful an addition	Oct 02 12:37
schestowitz	IIRC you used Skype?	Oct 02 12:38
schestowitz	That alone is a nasty blob	Oct 02 12:38
schestowitz	and it's now known what it does	Oct 02 12:38
msb_	Occasionally.	Oct 02 12:38
schestowitz	I don't even install Adobe Reader anymore	Oct 02 12:38
schestowitz	it tracks page flips, or used to	Oct 02 12:38
schestowitz	until caught	Oct 02 12:38
schestowitz	so you're pursuing libreboot for security, but then put Skype on top of it?	Oct 02 12:39
msb_	Does skype act as malware?	Oct 02 12:39
schestowitz	yes	Oct 02 12:40
schestowitz	for a fact	Oct 02 12:40
msb_	In what way?	Oct 02 12:40
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Skype_is_Spy_Campaign	Oct 02 12:40
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schestowitz	[05:19] <MinceR> also, checks and balances	Oct 02 12:41
schestowitz	[05:19] <MinceR> (something russia and hungary don't have)	Oct 02 12:41
schestowitz	neither do we	Oct 02 12:41
TweetTuxMachines	@agente_smithe RT @tuxmachines: Microsoft-Connected Firm Net	Oct 02 12:41
TweetTuxMachines	Applications Used to Mislead About Vista 10	Oct 02 12:41
TweetTuxMachines	Share and Mock GNU/Linux http://t.co/MnQ1TKYTIE	Oct 02 12:41
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @agente_smithe: 'RT @tuxmachines: Microsoft-Connected Firm Net Applications Used to...'		Oct 02 12:41
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schestowitz	sire overloaded atm	Oct 02 12:47
schestowitz	epo lunch break?	Oct 02 12:47
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649914425089073152 https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649914762713780224	Oct 02 12:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz @glynmoody There is no indication of MSFT being corrupt as it's merely taking advantage of the EPO's approach		Oct 02 12:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz @glynmoody I once saw a document relating to this kind of practice that listed approx. 10 companies.		Oct 02 12:52
schestowitz	Can you recall some company names?	Oct 02 12:53
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/649915641479217152 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/649915799273107457 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/649915973995249664	Oct 02 12:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: .@FOSSpatents @glynmoody Also, Bloomberg News just said #microsoft to lobby(ed) re #upc i.e. #epo so may have created this loophole for self		Oct 02 12:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: .@FOSSpatents @glynmoody And it is hard to forget you had contracts with #microsoft while/after you had attacked Microsoft's rivals		Oct 02 12:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: .@FOSSpatents @glynmoody For the time being we know of no company other than #microsoft playing back room games with #epo - so why distract?		Oct 02 12:58
msb_	I decided long ago that privacy is impossible. The govt can put a bug in my apartment, or bounce an IR laser beam off a window pane, and hear everything I say.	Oct 02 13:01
msb_	I'm sure the NSA can break PGP or any other encryption I could use.	Oct 02 13:02
msb_	I just hope the eavesdroppers will learn something from my communications.	Oct 02 13:03
*TweetTuxMachines @deusexstigma retweeted @agente_smithe: 'RT @tuxmachines: Microsoft-Connected Firm Net Applications Used to...'		Oct 02 13:06
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649917787247349760	Oct 02 13:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz @glynmoody Yesterday I declared Google the strategic winner of the patent spat with MSFT.		Oct 02 13:08
schestowitz	yes, I saw that and added to a future (to be published) draft	Oct 02 13:08
schestowitz	still recovering (catching up after) a vacation, so backlog is massive	Oct 02 13:09
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649917548016873472	Oct 02 13:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz @glynmoody I may find and share that document		Oct 02 13:09
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649918614842273792	Oct 02 13:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz @glynmoody Ask your EPO sources for this 2/16/2015 official memo: "Closer contacts with major applicants"		Oct 02 13:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 24 Release Schedule Published, the	Oct 02 13:23
TweetTuxMachines	Distro Could Arrive on May 17, 2016	Oct 02 13:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CompuLab's Mintbox 2 and Mintbox Mini PCs Now	Oct 02 13:24
TweetTuxMachines	Ship with Linux Mint 17.2 Cinnamon	Oct 02 13:24
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blogs.kde.org \| The Future of Kontact \| blogs.kde.org		Oct 02 13:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Huawei’s first Android Wear watch is a	Oct 02 13:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Apache Foundation retains informal vibe to	Oct 02 13:32
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649925557170401280	Oct 02 13:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz @glynmoody Company names include but are not limited to Canon Ericsson Huawei Philips Qualcomm Siemens		Oct 02 13:42
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MinceR	131556 < amonobeax> If it's clearly harmful why distros are embracing it ?	Oct 02 14:41
MinceR	probably because gnome threatened to depend on it	Oct 02 14:41
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cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/generic-8088-bios.asm.txt	Oct 02 18:24
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/649997822612385792 https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/649997889368948736	Oct 02 18:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: RT @karthik_ak: more people use linux than Windows http://t.co/MnQ1TKYTIE ,and Microsoft wants to hide it		Oct 02 18:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: RT @TooShortForAnyt: Welcome to the new Microsoft. Same as the old Microsoft. http://t.co/csLFw4hpw1 I knew it was all too good to be true.		Oct 02 18:27
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649937626645049344	Oct 02 18:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz The document also lists "selected directors" that serve certain companies with backroom deals. The author's name is "J. Scott".		Oct 02 18:33
cubexyz	new computers have a microcontroller with a full network stack	Oct 02 18:34
cubexyz	not sure if this is true in every case	Oct 02 18:34
cubexyz	Intel calls this the "Management Engine"	Oct 02 18:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649937626645049344 https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649937834640584704 https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649938030787231744	Oct 02 18:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz "The lowest applicant selected, Microsoft, filed 600 applications. All in the top 12 file over 1000 ..."		Oct 02 18:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz "Many of these applicants have been chosen because of the strength of existing contacts, which will facilitate" and so forth.		Oct 02 18:35
cubexyz	the ME firmware is signed by Intel and if it doesn't verify the signature the x86 cpu will not boot	Oct 02 18:36
cubexyz	even the Purism Laptop has it	Oct 02 18:36
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649914425089073152	Oct 02 18:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz @glynmoody There is no indication of MSFT being corrupt as it's merely taking advantage of the EPO's approach		Oct 02 18:37
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649914762713780224	Oct 02 18:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz @glynmoody I once saw a document relating to this kind of practice that listed approx. 10 companies.		Oct 02 18:37
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dockernews/status/649944237732028416	Oct 02 18:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dockernews: Sources Claim Microsoft Is Buying Canonical-Ubuntu; Is There Logic Behind... http://t.co/CXmc9FY2LH via @schestowitz http://t.co/aNPIpIF8uv		Oct 02 18:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dockernews: Sources Claim Microsoft Is Buying Canonical-Ubuntu; Is There Logic Behind... http://t.co/CXmc9FY2LH via @schestowitz http://t.co/aNPIpIF8uv		Oct 02 18:37
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cubexyz	even the Purism Laptop is blob-city	Oct 02 18:38
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MinceR	http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/05/robert-farago/gang-bangers-painting-orange-tips-on-real-guns/	Oct 02 18:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thetruthaboutguns.com \| Gang Bangers Painting Orange Tips on Real Guns - The Truth About Guns [ http://ur1.ca/nwh7y ]		Oct 02 18:46
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/650004543623856129	Oct 02 18:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz EPO = institutionalized excess		Oct 02 18:50
schestowitz	[18:36] <cubexyz> even the Purism Laptop has it	Oct 02 19:14
schestowitz	Purism is widely criticised by some as just a PR ploy	Oct 02 19:14
schestowitz	"Pure PM"	Oct 02 19:14
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/TooShortForAnyt/status/650010950888738816	Oct 02 19:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TooShortForAnyt: @dockernews @schestowitz Given Ubuntu’s bug #1 (https://t.co/n1zCkuhHax), I seriously doubt this. OTOH, it would put RedHat back on top.		Oct 02 19:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> bugs.launchpad.net \| Bug #1 (liberation) “Microsoft has a majority market share” : Bugs : Ubuntu		Oct 02 19:15
schestowitz	Rumours of MSFT buying canonical	Oct 02 19:15
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schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3n5r0o/the_microsoft_loves_linux_baloney_is_still_being/	Oct 02 19:18
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schestowitz	might reach 300 comments	Oct 02 19:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CompuLab's Mintbox 2 and Mintbox Mini PCs Now	Oct 02 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Ship with Linux Mint 17.2 Cinnamon	Oct 02 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	@whosweedugg http://t.co/fmjrzf1rON (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 02 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwhsd	Oct 02 20:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| CompuLab's Mintbox 2 and Mintbox Mini PCs Now Ship with Linux Mint 17.2 Cinnamon \| Tux Machines		Oct 02 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Facebook gives Android a kick in the byte code	Oct 02 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/m1cVWhz5ne (www.infoworld.com)	Oct 02 20:07
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwhse	Oct 02 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 13 of the best Android apps from September	Oct 02 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/8lUMGuxJUu (thenextweb.com)	Oct 02 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwhsf	Oct 02 20:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenextweb.com \| 13 of the best Android apps from September 2015		Oct 02 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wine Announcement https://t.co/FkyakRZcEH	Oct 02 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	(www.winehq.org) " The Wine development release	Oct 02 20:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.winehq.org \| WineHQ - Wine Announcement - The Wine development release 1.7.52 is now available.		Oct 02 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	1.7.52 is now available."	Oct 02 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwhu4	Oct 02 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why your Linux PC isn't vulnerable to the	Oct 02 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	devastating XOR DDoS malware	Oct 02 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/5ExM1XRSJl (www.pcworld.com)	Oct 02 20:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com \| Why your Linux PC isn't vulnerable to the devastating XOR DDoS malware \| PCWorld		Oct 02 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwhu5	Oct 02 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A look at ... game development strategy	Oct 02 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/EOWtGjT2Pq (opensource.com) "Linux	Oct 02 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	and the numerous GNU packages is what really	Oct 02 20:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| Interview with Battle for Wesnoth contributors Ignacio R. Morelle and Charles Dang \| Opensource.com		Oct 02 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	piqued my interest"	Oct 02 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwhu6	Oct 02 20:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro 15.09 "Bellatrix" Gets Its Fist Update	Oct 02 20:14
TweetTuxMachines	with Lots of New Packages	Oct 02 20:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/RJRHqUFb85 (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 02 20:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Manjaro 15.09 "Bellatrix" Gets Its Fist Update with Lots of New Packages - Softpedia		Oct 02 20:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwhuc	Oct 02 20:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wood Kubb Is a Small and Powerful PC Made from	Oct 02 20:14
TweetTuxMachines	Wood and with Linux Mint http://t.co/TOWgMNPSR7	Oct 02 20:14
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Oct 02 20:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Wood Kubb Is a Small and Powerful PC Made from Wood and with Linux Mint - Softpedia		Oct 02 20:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwhud	Oct 02 20:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Anniversary of First Linux Kernel Release: A	Oct 02 20:14
TweetTuxMachines	Look at Collaborative Value	Oct 02 20:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/sh9QVRS7cB (www.linux.com)	Oct 02 20:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwhue	Oct 02 20:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com \| Anniversary of First Linux Kernel Release: A Look at Collaborative Value \| Linux.com		Oct 02 20:14
tessier	schestowitz: Saw your story highly upvoted on /r/linux. Congrats!	Oct 02 21:09
gde33\|2	https://twitter.com/Snowden	Oct 02 21:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-twitter.com \| Edward Snowden (@Snowden) \| Twitter		Oct 02 21:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Debian dropping the Linux Standard Base	Oct 02 21:27
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/FQfLnUigR7 (lwn.net)	Oct 02 21:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwids	Oct 02 21:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lwn.net \| Debian dropping the Linux Standard Base [LWN.net]		Oct 02 21:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google Chromebooks: The most popular classroom	Oct 02 21:27
TweetTuxMachines	computing device http://t.co/FA1D8jgxk5	Oct 02 21:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Google Chromebooks: The most popular classroom computing device \| ZDNet		Oct 02 21:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.zdnet.com)	Oct 02 21:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwidt	Oct 02 21:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 1500 Games on Steam for Linux and Almost 1% of	Oct 02 21:27
TweetTuxMachines	the User Base http://t.co/1lfms3N0xg	Oct 02 21:27
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Oct 02 21:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| 1500 Games on Steam for Linux and Almost 1% of the User Base - Softpedia		Oct 02 21:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwidu	Oct 02 21:27
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msb_	cubexyz: The Purism website says they are decoding the management engine: https://puri.sm/posts/weekly-update-on-librem-15-rev2-production-2015-09-11/	Oct 02 21:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://puri.sm/posts/weekly-update-on-librem-15-rev2-production-2015-09-11/ )		Oct 02 21:40
msb_	cubexyz: Their site says they have no binary blobs but you say they do?	Oct 02 21:40
cubexyz	well they have made some progress on the Management Engine	Oct 02 21:43
cubexyz	but the cpu won't boot without it	Oct 02 21:43
msb_	They say they are working on "unlocking" it.	Oct 02 21:45
cubexyz	eventually someone will reverse engineer the blobs	Oct 02 21:45
cubexyz	it's been done before	Oct 02 21:45
msb_	The bios blobs for the ME?	Oct 02 21:45
cubexyz	there's also the microcode	Oct 02 21:46
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msb_	I guess they want to turn off the ME after the cpu boots.	Oct 02 21:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fairphone launches v2 of it conflict-free,	Oct 02 21:47
TweetTuxMachines	upgradeable smartphone http://t.co/joUEIbMPvI	Oct 02 21:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techrepublic.com \| Fairphone launches v2 of it conflict-free, upgradeable smartphone - TechRepublic		Oct 02 21:47
TweetTuxMachines	(www.techrepublic.com)	Oct 02 21:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Nest Labs advances its Weave home automation	Oct 03 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	ecosystem http://t.co/lPxRCprP2c	Oct 03 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 01:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Nest Labs advances its Weave home automation ecosystem \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwjv9	Oct 03 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Headless box-PC has six GbE ports, runs Linux	Oct 03 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	on G-Series http://t.co/QYMvgJJaz4	Oct 03 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwjva	Oct 03 01:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Headless box-PC has six GbE ports, runs Linux on G-Series \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Adblock Plus and (a little) more	Oct 03 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/R1GiKRStdu (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 01:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwjvb	Oct 03 01:26
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*TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Headless box-PC has six GbE ports, runs Linux...'		Oct 03 02:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Default Wallpapers of Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily	Oct 03 02:58
TweetTuxMachines	Werewolf) - Gallery http://t.co/DhITeQORXJ	Oct 03 02:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 02:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Default Wallpapers of Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) - Gallery \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 02:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwkel	Oct 03 02:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines [Wallpapers] Tizen Themed Samsung Gear S2	Oct 03 02:58
TweetTuxMachines	Backgrounds – Vol 1 http://t.co/q1A3AuPRWk	Oct 03 02:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 02:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| [Wallpapers] Tizen Themed Samsung Gear S2 Backgrounds – Vol 1 \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 02:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwkem	Oct 03 02:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KaOS 2015.10 http://t.co/BzYZWk7nyu	Oct 03 02:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 02:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KaOS 2015.10 \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 02:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwken	Oct 03 02:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Art of Communicating with LKML	Oct 03 02:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ce9gJ08cC7 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 02:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwkeo	Oct 03 02:58
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/650081891861835776	Oct 03 06:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz Google should counter that somehow, MS Office is a direct competitor to Google docs and is entering Android space with		Oct 03 06:15
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/650082262277562368	Oct 03 06:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz Unethical practices and shaddy deals. Those MS moves do harm Google from inside.		Oct 03 06:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Antergos 2015.09 review http://t.co/4IAcVGvZOg	Oct 03 09:18
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 09:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwmls	Oct 03 09:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Antergos 2015.09 review http://t.co/x82pJzHiLc	Oct 03 12:23
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxbsdos.com)	Oct 03 12:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwnji	Oct 03 12:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxbsdos.com \| Antergos 2015.09 review: Cinnamon & GNOME 3 \| LinuxBSDos.com		Oct 03 12:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Art of Communicating with #LKML	Oct 03 12:23
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/6tWjx8LcTx (www.labbott.name)	Oct 03 12:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.labbott.name \| Something witty/insightful		Oct 03 12:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwnjj	Oct 03 12:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KaOS 2015.10 http://t.co/8ei160jyOd (kaosx.us)	Oct 03 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwnk1	Oct 03 12:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kaosx.us \| KaOS 2015.10 \| KaOS		Oct 03 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines “Last year I built a new derby track … I used a	Oct 03 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	RaspberryPi with Pidora on it to run the timing	Oct 03 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	system.” http://t.co/M702iXERET	Oct 03 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.jaddog.org)	Oct 03 12:26
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwnk2	Oct 03 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines [Wallpapers] Tizen Themed Samsung Gear S2	Oct 03 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	Backgrounds – Vol 1 http://t.co/dr6u2SeIlY	Oct 03 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tizenexperts.com)	Oct 03 12:26
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwnk4	Oct 03 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Launches Pilot for Ubuntu Touch, Adds	Oct 03 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	10 New Wallpapers to Ubuntu 15.10	Oct 03 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/t6yLGhb7Jh (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 03 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwnk8	Oct 03 12:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Default Wallpapers of Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily	Oct 03 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	Werewolf) - Gallery http://t.co/SxRivsPPuV	Oct 03 12:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Headless box-PC has six GbE ports, runs Linux	Oct 03 12:27
TweetTuxMachines	on G-Series http://t.co/OTq5rwQP8G	Oct 03 12:27
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwnkb	Oct 03 12:27
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schestowitz	>>> old:	Oct 03 13:35
schestowitz	>>> >>	Oct 03 13:35
schestowitz	>>> >> http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-positive-reddit-comments-2013-6	Oct 03 13:35
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schestowitz	>> >	Oct 03 13:35
schestowitz	>> >	Oct 03 13:35
schestowitz	>> > watch what Microsoft boosters did here: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3n5r0o/the_microsoft_loves_linux_baloney_is_still_being/	Oct 03 13:35
schestowitz	> Yes, though they seem to have less impact than years past. I notice M$	Oct 03 13:35
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schestowitz	> guys like Jo Shields (presumably since his common handle is there)	Oct 03 13:35
schestowitz	> whining. I notice they're now more about going ad hominem, and are	Oct 03 13:35
schestowitz	> without a rebuttal to the actual argument. So, keep up the good work.	Oct 03 13:35
schestowitz	This threat was relatively GOOD. When my items are in Reddit there are usually personal attacks (my longtime foes) within just a few hours, if not minutes...	Oct 03 13:35
schestowitz	There are people out there who don't want me to have a voice and for my site to gain no visibility anywhere, unless perhaps it's Tux machines...	Oct 03 13:35
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cubexyz	I don't think even now people realize how deeply Microsoft has it's hooks into computers	Oct 03 14:07
cubexyz	it's not fully apparent until you look at the BIOS source code	Oct 03 14:11
cubexyz	to a large degree the PC is a Windows/Microsoft PC	Oct 03 14:11
cubexyz	the only way to run around that is a difficult task: to learn how to program at the register level	Oct 03 14:14
cubexyz	got to blame the motherboard manufacturers for this too	Oct 03 14:23
cubexyz	and the chip manufacturers... no data sheets for a lot of chips	Oct 03 14:24
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/unorigmoniker/status/650295617923649536	Oct 03 14:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@unorigmoniker: Well that's a big "no shit". A totalitarian oligarchy. Welcome to America! Now go home. https://t.co/7B7lPdQ21K		Oct 03 14:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Former #NSA Tech Director Says US Has Become A #Totalitarian State http://t.co/5TU0vQuDxx Bill #binney		Oct 03 14:33
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/unorigmoniker/status/650296122146074625	Oct 03 14:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@unorigmoniker: Sadly, @BBCNews is being controlled by @GCHQ_UK. It's nothing more than the political mouthpiece for Downing St. https://t.co/BhVFq9fcBY		Oct 03 14:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #bbc repeating unsubstantiated lie: "Mr @Snowden is believed to have downloaded 1.7 million secret documents" http://t.co/N0Jfhcotpf		Oct 03 14:34
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/650299277147828224	Oct 03 14:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz How convenient to blame a dead man.		Oct 03 14:35
schestowitz	was he not steering the plane to the ground?	Oct 03 14:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/650303438664896512	Oct 03 14:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Actually not. He started a descent and for unknown reasons he didn't stop it.		Oct 03 14:43
schestowitz	And locked the door, shutting out the Captain?	Oct 03 14:43
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/650305603877912576	Oct 03 14:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Yes, that's what smells fishiest here. Still not enough evidence to sentence him in a court of law.		Oct 03 14:48
cubexyz	worth a read for historical reasons... foreshadowing what was to come:	Oct 03 14:55
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/650308284604416002	Oct 03 14:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz but, but....what about that "designed in California" thingie, Doctor? Shouldn't that count??😉		Oct 03 14:56
cubexyz	http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/03/10/03/2127213/microsoft-taking-over-the-bios	Oct 03 14:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hardware.slashdot.org \| Microsoft Taking Over the BIOS - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/nwogo ]		Oct 03 14:56
schestowitz	Like K-Swiss?	Oct 03 14:56
cubexyz	I'm emailing all the manufacuters I can think of, asking for BIOS source code	Oct 03 14:59
cubexyz	I'll post the results here in a few days	Oct 03 14:59
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/650309511455096832	Oct 03 15:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz aren't their sneakers the very embodiment of Swiss precision and perfection??		Oct 03 15:05
schestowitz	Well, it says designed in California, that's almost their motto	Oct 03 15:05
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schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6660908	Oct 03 15:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Fiorina "suggested that there were greater government threats to privacy than NSA" http://fortune.com/2015/09/30/carly-fiorina-nsa-spying/ OF COURSE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hewlett-Packard_spying_scandal		Oct 03 15:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> fortune.com \| Carly Fiorina: No Regrets Enabling NSA Spying - Fortune [ http://ur1.ca/nwole ]		Oct 03 15:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> en.wikipedia.org \| Hewlett-Packard spying scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nwolf ]		Oct 03 15:17
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/boiling-frog.txt	Oct 03 15:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Nest Labs advances its Weave home automation	Oct 03 15:35
TweetTuxMachines	ecosystem http://t.co/y75YnP2odl	Oct 03 15:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Nest Labs advances its Weave home automation ecosystem · LinuxGizmos.com		Oct 03 15:35
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Oct 03 15:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwop8	Oct 03 15:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Blackphone: privacy-obsessed smartphone aims to	Oct 03 15:35
TweetTuxMachines	broaden its appeal http://t.co/NbRgHJgOPB	Oct 03 15:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| Blackphone: privacy-obsessed smartphone aims to broaden its appeal \| Technology \| The Guardian		Oct 03 15:35
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theguardian.com)	Oct 03 15:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwop9	Oct 03 15:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "feel good being KDE user since 2005.	Oct 03 16:10
TweetTuxMachines	Officially I started coding / contributing to	Oct 03 16:10
TweetTuxMachines	minor stuff in KDE in 2010."	Oct 03 16:10
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/a8dk7BzPFE	Oct 03 16:10
TweetTuxMachines	(siddharthkde.wordpress.com)	Oct 03 16:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-siddharthkde.wordpress.com \| Randa Meetings update \| KDE		Oct 03 16:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwoyv	Oct 03 16:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Linux i3 15.09 Officially Released,	Oct 03 16:10
TweetTuxMachines	Brings Calamares and Linux Kernel 4.1	Oct 03 16:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/pIK5Q6xpo2 (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 03 16:10
TweetTuxMachines	#lxde too http://t.co/ppouZ0jvoL	Oct 03 16:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Manjaro Linux i3 15.09 Officially Released, Brings Calamares and Linux Kernel 4.1 - Softpedia		Oct 03 16:10
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Oct 03 16:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Manjaro Linux LXDE 15.09 Community Edition Has Linux Kernel 4.1.8 LTS, AUR Support - Softpedia		Oct 03 16:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwoyw	Oct 03 16:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Network Security Toolkit Is Now Based on Fedora	Oct 03 16:10
TweetTuxMachines	22, Powered by Linux Kernel 4.1.7	Oct 03 16:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/yG4lGLX2Ai (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 03 16:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwoyy	Oct 03 16:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Network Security Toolkit Is Now Based on Fedora 22, Powered by Linux Kernel 4.1.7 - Softpedia		Oct 03 16:11
schestowitz	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=September-15-Interest	Oct 03 16:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Google, Linux 4.3, & Mesa 11 Won Over September - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/nwp0r ]		Oct 03 16:17
schestowitz	"all written by your's truly. "	Oct 03 16:17
schestowitz	typo	Oct 03 16:17
schestowitz	or just error	Oct 03 16:17
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/karthik_ak/status/650329692516429826	Oct 03 16:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@karthik_ak: @schestowitz nice to meet you on twitter, any way hope diaspora succeeds		Oct 03 16:22
schestowitz	it has had capacity issues recently; can't even get other people's stuff to show up in the stream	Oct 03 16:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Linux i3 15.09 Officially Released,	Oct 03 16:35
TweetTuxMachines	Brings Calamares and Linux Kernel 4.1	Oct 03 16:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/3j5KU5irVq (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 16:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwp5d	Oct 03 16:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Manjaro Linux i3 15.09 Officially Released, Brings Calamares and Linux Kernel 4.1 \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 16:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Network Security Toolkit Is Now Based on Fedora	Oct 03 16:36
TweetTuxMachines	22, Powered by Linux Kernel 4.1.7	Oct 03 16:36
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TlsGdrQFXD (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 16:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwp5e	Oct 03 16:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Network Security Toolkit Is Now Based on Fedora 22, Powered by Linux Kernel 4.1.7 \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 16:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mesa 10.6.9 Released, Marks The End Of The	Oct 03 16:36
TweetTuxMachines	Line: Upgrade To Mesa 11 http://t.co/dbViHxgqyi	Oct 03 16:36
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Oct 03 16:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Mesa 10.6.9 Released, Marks The End Of The Line: Upgrade To Mesa 11 - Phoronix		Oct 03 16:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Pipe dream – Debian GNU/Hurd 8 Review	Oct 03 17:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Z5PB8CvPUB (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 17:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwphf	Oct 03 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Pipe dream – Debian GNU/Hurd 8 Review \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 17:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Make Ubuntu Look Like Mac With the Gela Theme	Oct 03 17:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/hS3KFXoSVF (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 17:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwphg	Oct 03 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Make Ubuntu Look Like Mac With the Gela Theme \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 17:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Unofficial Linux Kernel 4.2.2 Now Available for	Oct 03 17:26
TweetTuxMachines	Slackware 12.0 and Its Derivatives	Oct 03 17:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/BiSpkSa5Z1 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 17:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwphh	Oct 03 17:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Unofficial Linux Kernel 4.2.2 Now Available for Slackware 12.0 and Its Derivatives \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 17:26
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/650348476811870208 https://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/650348678650138624	Oct 03 17:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz 1 of 2 - they have a certain logic. As an ex-professional soldier, I know what firearms do. You don't see ex-soldiers in UK		Oct 03 17:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz 2 of 2 - running amok and shooting people. Education is a good thing (tm) which obviously doesn't happen in US...		Oct 03 17:39
*TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Unofficial Linux Kernel 4.2.2 Now Available for Slackware...'		Oct 03 17:41
cubexyz	the world is crazy	Oct 03 18:11
cubexyz	sometimes I think I'm in the wrong dimension or something	Oct 03 18:11
MinceR	i know i'm in the wrong plane of existence	Oct 03 18:12
TweetTuxMachines	@Group4Networks Cloud Desktop is out! http://t.co/mOa0xPjLsk	Oct 03 18:13
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by (paper.li) Stories via @tuxmachines @lschmeiser	Oct 03 18:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li \| Cloud Desktop		Oct 03 18:13
TweetTuxMachines	@JoanieMann @JoanieMann	Oct 03 18:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwptr	Oct 03 18:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Unofficial Linux Kernel 4.2.2 Now Available for	Oct 03 18:13
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Slackware 12.0 and Its Derivatives	Oct 03 18:13
TweetTuxMachines	@vorelp http://t.co/BiSpkSa5Z1 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 18:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwptu	Oct 03 18:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android fans have yet another reason to cheer	Oct 03 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	Motorola http://t.co/eEUAOjAK4d	Oct 03 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwq1v	Oct 03 18:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android fans have yet another reason to cheer Motorola \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.2.3 http://t.co/Cpm5RfPziB	Oct 03 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwq1w	Oct 03 18:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux 4.2.3 \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Third Alpha Build of Kodi 16 Media Center Adds	Oct 03 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	Long-Press Support for Remotes	Oct 03 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Iy5sq1usBp (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwq1y	Oct 03 18:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Third Alpha Build of Kodi 16 Media Center Adds Long-Press Support for Remotes \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 18:48
cubexyz	a lot of the microsoft guys were psychos	Oct 03 19:17
cubexyz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/03/19/microsoft_killed_dell_linux_states/	Oct 03 19:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Microsoft ‘killed Dell Linux’ – States • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/nwq7o ]		Oct 03 19:17
cubexyz	remember that name: Joachim Kempin	Oct 03 19:19
cubexyz	convicted of illegally shooting antelope	Oct 03 19:19
cubexyz	enemy of Linux, and all-round Microsoft psycho	Oct 03 19:19
cubexyz	at least he's retired now	Oct 03 19:20
cubexyz	and more's the pity, a former DEC employee	Oct 03 19:20
cubexyz	he retires after the 2002 Microsoft anti-trust trial	Oct 03 19:21
cubexyz	Kempin was an abuser... he even abused IBM	Oct 03 19:24
cubexyz	good riddance	Oct 03 19:24
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/google-catching-up-to-microsoft.txt	Oct 03 19:33
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6662018	Oct 03 19:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mettaben@joindiaspora.com:		Oct 03 19:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Photo by mettaben@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_39191fabf289c52316a6.jpg		Oct 03 19:35
schestowitz	cubexyz: yeah	Oct 03 19:36
schestowitz	I never forgot	Oct 03 19:36
schestowitz	esp. when people all spoke i harmony about "Cecil"	Oct 03 19:36
cubexyz	finally in 2015 I could buy a PC not gummed up with Microsoft crap	Oct 03 19:39
cubexyz	Jim Cecil?	Oct 03 19:44
cubexyz	what's the story? :)	Oct 03 19:44
cubexyz	I guess I have to give some kudos to HP	Oct 03 19:46
cubexyz	finally they did something good	Oct 03 19:46
cubexyz	don't get me wrong, they did a ton of bad things	Oct 03 19:47
cubexyz	but credit where credit is due	Oct 03 19:47
cubexyz	msb_, note there is no Vpro Technology on chromebook	Oct 03 19:52
cubexyz	another advantage	Oct 03 19:52
msb_	But runs at 1/3 the MIPS speed of current cheap CPUs. Huge disadvantage.	Oct 03 19:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Ships Plasma 5.4.2, bugfix Release for	Oct 03 20:02
TweetTuxMachines	October http://t.co/ykQGc69g5I	Oct 03 20:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 20:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwqgk	Oct 03 20:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDE Ships Plasma 5.4.2, bugfix Release for October \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 20:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Lightworks: A Professional Video Editor	Oct 03 20:02
TweetTuxMachines	Available for Ubuntu/Linux Mint/Fedora	Oct 03 20:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/RlTYr7RnHy (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 20:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwqgl	Oct 03 20:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Lightworks: A Professional Video Editor Available for Ubuntu/Linux Mint/Fedora \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 20:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines RapidDisk / RapidCache 3.4 now available.	Oct 03 20:03
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/zV4lOcM5pp (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 20:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwqgm	Oct 03 20:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| RapidDisk / RapidCache 3.4 now available. \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 20:03
cubexyz	msb_, there's two things:	Oct 03 20:12
cubexyz	if I buy an ATX motherboard what will the firmware be like, and I have no firmware source... zip	Oct 03 20:12
cubexyz	also what about AMD FX-8350 for laptop? Does it even exist?	Oct 03 20:12
cubexyz	Suns had Openfirmware at least	Oct 03 20:13
cubexyz	systems are getting _more_ closed in many cases	Oct 03 20:15
msb_	I wonder if it's possible to defeat the AMT by overwriting the RAM it uses?	Oct 03 20:30
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AnarchistDalek/status/650391566054350848	Oct 03 20:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AnarchistDalek: @schestowitz @Snowden Probably safe to assume that IF telecom THEN complicit		Oct 03 20:38
schestowitz	The 'smoking gun' would aid legal case, hence stop the complicity and the collusion between telecom and Deep State	Oct 03 20:38
MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/6zYjWHl.gifv	Oct 03 21:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com \| Imgur		Oct 03 21:09
MinceR	speaking of 'smoking'	Oct 03 21:10
msb_	Cute. VW is never going to live this down!	Oct 03 21:12
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/650404565054025728	Oct 03 21:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz Never been sure whether i should start using or not. Always feel uncomfortable trusting a new service.		Oct 03 21:29
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ciberado/status/650408494932324352	Oct 03 21:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ciberado: Esto va a ahorrar tanto tiempo... https://t.co/4wrQwClhJp		Oct 03 21:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Facebook will now be able to show you ads based on the porn you watch http://t.co/5MSX93pavM #facebook makes dossiers, sells them		Oct 03 21:36
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/650411197649432576	Oct 03 21:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz that's... Hilarious.		Oct 03 21:45
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6660908	Oct 03 21:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post?		Oct 03 21:49
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/650415742328918016	Oct 03 22:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz epomustgo?		Oct 03 22:05
schestowitz	I was thinking along the lines of #intelExit http://www.ibtimes.com.au/intelexit-campaign-asks-nsa-gchq-employees-quit-jobs-1470570 http://www.allgov.com/news/unusual-news/german-group-offers-support-services-to-help-disillusioned-members-of-nsa-get-out-of-the-spy-business-151002?news=857549	Oct 03 22:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.com.au \| Intelexit campaign asks NSA and GCHQ employees to quit jobs [ http://ur1.ca/nwr64 ]		Oct 03 22:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.allgov.com \| Unusual News - German Group Offers Support Services to Help Disillusioned Members of NSA Get Out of the Spy Business - AllGov - News [ http://ur1.ca/nwr65 ]		Oct 03 22:05
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/650416817370963969	Oct 03 22:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz or the stallman call?		Oct 03 22:08
schestowitz	2008 speech?	Oct 03 22:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Data indicates that Android picked up global	Oct 03 22:17
TweetTuxMachines	market share from iOS last month	Oct 03 22:17
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/QqZaV6Kipe (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 22:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwr82	Oct 03 22:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Data indicates that Android picked up global market share from iOS last month \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 22:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Ships Plasma 5.4.2, bugfix Release for	Oct 03 22:17
TweetTuxMachines	October https://t.co/4d4EpW8TIf (www.kde.org)	Oct 03 22:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwr83	Oct 03 22:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kde.org \| KDE - KDE Ships Plasma 5.4.2, bugfix Release for October		Oct 03 22:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.2.3 http://t.co/42Uo1Jw9sp (lwn.net)	Oct 03 22:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lwn.net \| Linux 4.2.3 [LWN.net]		Oct 03 22:21
TweetTuxMachines	Linux 4.1.10 http://t.co/tkuPz37tva (lwn.net)	Oct 03 22:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lwn.net \| Linux 4.1.10 [LWN.net]		Oct 03 22:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwr9a	Oct 03 22:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Blackphone 2: NSA-thwarting Android smartphone	Oct 03 22:22
TweetTuxMachines	goes on sale http://t.co/MbqKFTFOIG	Oct 03 22:22
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theinquirer.net)	Oct 03 22:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwr9b	Oct 03 22:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theinquirer.net \| Blackphone 2: NSA-thwarting Android smartphone goes on sale- The Inquirer		Oct 03 22:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Party Hard, A Stealth Strategy Game Is Now On	Oct 03 22:22
TweetTuxMachines	Linux, Looks Interesting	Oct 03 22:22
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/LoSpdBgc16 (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Oct 03 22:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwr9g	Oct 03 22:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Party Hard, A Stealth Strategy Game Is Now On Linux, Looks Interesting \| GamingOnLinux		Oct 03 22:22
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/650420551291404292	Oct 03 22:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz yop. Loved the applauds. At the beginning it sounds a bit radical, but now with all the EPO scandals it does not.		Oct 03 22:23
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jagedn/status/650420760385859585	Oct 03 22:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jagedn: @ciberado @schestowitz menos mal que no uso libro cara sino me iban a freír a publi		Oct 03 22:24
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gde33\|2	http://urbit.org/preview/~2015.9.25/materials/whitepaper	Sep 27 00:20
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msb_	Seems weird and complicated. I don't know anybody who keeps their data in a cloud. Good big disks are cheap, and Bash, C, Ruby and Python are all great programming languages with plenty of documentation. And they and Linux all run on a $50 SBC.	Sep 27 00:45
gde33\|2	msb_: it is explained well enough I think?	Sep 27 00:46
gde33\|2	his shop example is great	Sep 27 00:47
gde33\|2	if you control the application the developer doesn't get to charge a fee on every transaction	Sep 27 00:47
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gde33\|2	For example: with other people's apps, when you want to shop on the Internets, you point your browser at amazon.com or use the Google bar as a full-text store. With your own apps, you're more likely to point your browser at your own shopping assistant. This program, which works entirely for you and is not slipping anyone else a cut, uses APIs to sync inventory data and send purchase orders.	Sep 27 00:49
gde33\|2	The difference between apps you control and apps you don't is the difference between a shopping assistant and a store. It would be absurd if a shopping assistant paid its developer a percentage of all transactions. It would be absurd if a store didn't. The general task is the same, but every detail is different.	Sep 27 00:50
gde33\|2	msb_: all these walled gardens are the end of the internet	Sep 27 00:50
gde33\|2	you just become everyones slut/slave	Sep 27 00:51
msb_	What walled gardens?	Sep 27 00:51
gde33\|2	all of the popular web services	Sep 27 00:51
gde33\|2	nothing is yours on facebook	Sep 27 00:52
gde33\|2	nothing is yours on google	Sep 27 00:52
gde33\|2	even when a business really wants to preserve your privacy they can get a gag order and be forced to share your data with hidden people	Sep 27 00:52
msb_	so what. as long as google search works i;ll use it. Otherwise I'll switch to another.	Sep 27 00:52
gde33\|2	there is no other	Sep 27 00:53
msb_	Privacy from govts on the Net is impossible	Sep 27 00:53
msb_	duck duck go, ixquick	Sep 27 00:53
gde33\|2	you have to draw the line from the beginning into the future	Sep 27 00:53
gde33\|2	those are walled gardens too	Sep 27 00:53
gde33\|2	you cant see the walled garden?	Sep 27 00:54
msb_	a web search engine requires hundreds of computers. It's not going to be in urbit, whatever that is.	Sep 27 00:54
gde33\|2	thats not the point at all	Sep 27 00:54
gde33\|2	you could just read the page if you want to know what the point is	Sep 27 00:55
gde33\|2	but ok...	Sep 27 00:55
gde33\|2	if you use a web app the developer is in control	Sep 27 00:55
gde33\|2	he just owns you	Sep 27 00:55
gde33\|2	you cant migrate, your service can be terminated, your life can be shared with anyone	Sep 27 00:55
msb_	I don't use web apps except google.	Sep 27 00:55
gde33\|2	but most people do	Sep 27 00:56
msb_	Then they should use FOSS apps on their own computer.	Sep 27 00:56
gde33\|2	everyone is developing internet prisons, I assume this is why you dont want any part of it?	Sep 27 00:56
gde33\|2	certainly but applications on your computer can only do so much	Sep 27 00:57
msb_	I don't know what you mean. Run apps on your own cheap computer and cheap disk. simple	Sep 27 00:57
gde33\|2	you probably have your own server too?	Sep 27 00:58
msb_	I have a website on a server.	Sep 27 00:58
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gde33\|2	do you control the server?	Sep 27 00:59
msb_	No, but the guy who does is a good friend.	Sep 27 00:59
msb_	But if the site got taken down I'd just put it up somewhere else.	Sep 27 01:00
gde33\|2	say we create a model where we chose what other people should be able to access and what should not be accessed by others	Sep 27 01:01
gde33\|2	if we compare the internet to the ideal model it just doesn't work like that	Sep 27 01:01
gde33\|2	it leaks your shit all over	Sep 27 01:01
gde33\|2	you and me might be sophisticted enough to deal with the issue	Sep 27 01:01
msb_	I want my shit to be leaked. I'm _broadcasting_ it!	Sep 27 01:02
gde33\|2	we should also want to end it for others	Sep 27 01:02
gde33\|2	most people dont get what can be done with private data	Sep 27 01:02
gde33\|2	the paterns are well beyond imagination	Sep 27 01:02
msb_	If they want private data, keep it on their home disk, with a backup.	Sep 27 01:02
gde33\|2	if you have seemingly meaningless data about millions of people you can find paterns no one can imagine	Sep 27 01:03
gde33\|2	but the thing we can all see is that mass explotation and monopolization isn't good for anyone	Sep 27 01:03
msb_	I don't want data about millions of people, and have no way to get it anyhow.	Sep 27 01:03
gde33\|2	we want everyone to use free and opensource software	Sep 27 01:04
gde33\|2	everything else should just die	Sep 27 01:04
msb_	So we should broadcast information to as many people as possible telling them about the govts and corps that are exploiting and monopolizing them.	Sep 27 01:05
gde33\|2	that could work	Sep 27 01:05
gde33\|2	but programmers should try to fix things by coding, they can get into politics but will quickly find it a full time job	Sep 27 01:06
gde33\|2	they stop being a programer	Sep 27 01:06
gde33\|2	" Since we're doing a clean-slate design, it's a mistake to focus too much on fixing the flaws of the old platform. The correct question is: what is the right way to build a system software stack?"	Sep 27 01:07
msb_	Your own computer with FOSS and storage and good languages, an internet connection, and a website. You can also publish on mailing lists. This all works fine.	Sep 27 01:08
msb_	Devuan is coming along, so people can stay with a Linux that has lots of up to date apps.	Sep 27 01:10
gde33\|2	centralized systems are points of failure	Sep 27 01:11
msb_	ISP and website cost about $30/month	Sep 27 01:11
gde33\|2	your mailinglist is just deleted	Sep 27 01:11
msb_	there are plenty more, and you can start your own	Sep 27 01:11
msb_	For some reason, the fascists are not killing lists, youtube, websites, isps, etc.	Sep 27 01:12
gde33\|2	the core idea in urbit is to have n:1 rather than 1:n	Sep 27 01:13
msb_	Or cheap personal computers. So while we have these things, lets use them to educate the world.	Sep 27 01:13
msb_	web apps are unnecessary	Sep 27 01:13
gde33\|2	what is the reason the facists have not killed those platforms?	Sep 27 01:13
msb_	I wish I knew.	Sep 27 01:14
gde33\|2	google buys things just to shut them down	Sep 27 01:14
gde33\|2	they had google video then purchased youtube	Sep 27 01:14
gde33\|2	they killed google video and destroyed youtube	Sep 27 01:15
gde33\|2	web hosting uses the same model	Sep 27 01:15
msb_	Youtube is fine, and if necessary you can put videos on your own website.	Sep 27 01:15
gde33\|2	the idea is to allow people to create content because you cant stop them	Sep 27 01:15
gde33\|2	but what you can do is just delete everything after a few years	Sep 27 01:15
gde33\|2	lure people in with a cosy environment	Sep 27 01:15
msb_	Whatever urbit runs on the govt could stop it.	Sep 27 01:16
gde33\|2	then strip out all the human interaction	Sep 27 01:16
gde33\|2	youtube is nonsense compared to what it was	Sep 27 01:16
msb_	I save all the youtube videos i'm interested in.	Sep 27 01:16
gde33\|2	it use to have thousands of people making vlogs about things, responding to other peoples videos with video responses	Sep 27 01:16
gde33\|2	it was a community, they purchased a comunity	Sep 27 01:16
gde33\|2	this is all dead now	Sep 27 01:16
msb_	So if people want to respond, they put up their own video.	Sep 27 01:17
gde33\|2	not one of my hundreds of subscriptions is working today	Sep 27 01:17
gde33\|2	people who use to talk about all things in life had millions of viewers	Sep 27 01:18
gde33\|2	if you upload a video today it gets 100 views	Sep 27 01:18
gde33\|2	or non at all, I know people trying to make a channel	Sep 27 01:18
msb_	Stuff on the Net is not permanent. If you want to keep it, download it to your own disk.	Sep 27 01:18
gde33\|2	some have 0 views on all their videos	Sep 27 01:18
gde33\|2	youtube no longer promotes them you see?	Sep 27 01:19
gde33\|2	you are making excuses in stead of understanding the agenda	Sep 27 01:19
msb_	They can promote themselves.	Sep 27 01:19
gde33\|2	non of your excuses change the agenda	Sep 27 01:19
gde33\|2	those few TB of geocities, the origin of the internet	Sep 27 01:19
gde33\|2	why did they unplug the disks?	Sep 27 01:20
gde33\|2	they had advertisement on all pages	Sep 27 01:20
gde33\|2	light pages with just a bit of text and small images	Sep 27 01:20
gde33\|2	they lost serious money doing that	Sep 27 01:20
gde33\|2	the reason is simple, it was to get rid of people talking abuot stuff	Sep 27 01:20
gde33\|2	you are not suppose to talk with other people about things	Sep 27 01:20
gde33\|2	it is not part of the grand design	Sep 27 01:21
gde33\|2	you should be focsed on the latest news and ignore what happened more than 2 weeks ago	Sep 27 01:21
gde33\|2	look at twitter, look at facebook	Sep 27 01:21
gde33\|2	it is how it is designed, to hide information more than 10 posts old	Sep 27 01:21
msb_	Corps and govts are run by psychopaths, and they are always going to try suppress people and their communications. It requires work to broadcast in spite of them. So we have to work.	Sep 27 01:21
gde33\|2	certainly, but you have to understand the game first ;)	Sep 27 01:22
msb_	I never use twitter or fuckbook.	Sep 27 01:22
msb_	I do.	Sep 27 01:22
gde33\|2	why is that?	Sep 27 01:22
gde33\|2	what is your main reason not to?	Sep 27 01:22
msb_	They;re crap,	Sep 27 01:22
gde33\|2	in what way?	Sep 27 01:22
msb_	Full of nonsense from typical programmed people.	Sep 27 01:23
gde33\|2	fair enough	Sep 27 01:23
msb_	Whereas there are about a dozen great alternate news websites.	Sep 27 01:24
gde33\|2	oh thousands	Sep 27 01:24
gde33\|2	a dieing breed tho	Sep 27 01:24
msb_	And subject oriented ones like http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/ and Mercola.	Sep 27 01:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geoengineeringwatch.org \| Geoengineering Watch \| Exposing the climate engineering/geoengineering cover-up		Sep 27 01:25
gde33\|2	I use my own http://opml.go-here.nl/internet.html	Sep 27 01:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opml.go-here.nl \| internet		Sep 27 01:27
gde33\|2	the required gm script http://opml.go-here.nl/the-internet.user.js has lists like...	Sep 27 01:27
gde33\|2	http://opml.go-here.nl/feeds-cleaning-1.txt	Sep 27 01:27
msb_	You're sounding paranoid. Nobody promised you a rose garden. Life is tough. It requires work. But things are looking up -- Corbyn Sanders, Syriza, Pope Francis, even Putin is doing some good.	Sep 27 01:27
gde33\|2	heh I often get that, people think I'm complaining a lot.	Sep 27 01:28
msb_	We are living on the cusp of human survival. We are the heroes we've been waiting for.	Sep 27 01:28
gde33\|2	but I'm very different from those people	Sep 27 01:28
gde33\|2	I think a lot about how we could make things	Sep 27 01:28
gde33\|2	what we have is so far from what it could be	Sep 27 01:29
gde33\|2	it sounds like complaining but I'm seeing a wonderful picture	Sep 27 01:29
gde33\|2	sure, a ton of good stuf is happening	Sep 27 01:29
gde33\|2	its never enough :D	Sep 27 01:29
msb_	So do more!	Sep 27 01:30
msb_	Organize!	Sep 27 01:30
gde33\|2	will try, thanks :)	Sep 27 01:30
gde33\|2	I have to redo the ui for this web aggregator	Sep 27 01:30
gde33\|2	it is almighty powerful	Sep 27 01:30
gde33\|2	it has a huge list of badwords and many many thousands of feeds preconfigured	Sep 27 01:31
msb_	But you bring up good points. It's important to stay away from clouds and web-apps.	Sep 27 01:31
gde33\|2	clouds can be ok as long as they fit the traditional p2p values	Sep 27 01:32
gde33\|2	look what powerful monster bittorrent has turned into	Sep 27 01:32
msb_	yep	Sep 27 01:33
gde33\|2	the TB torrents are comming	Sep 27 01:33
gde33\|2	and because those dont finish in mere minutes more people will be seeding while downloading	Sep 27 01:33
gde33\|2	I just asked a question in ##electronics then it turned out the whole thing existed already in a very mature state. hilarious	Sep 27 01:35
gde33\|2	LI-FI	Sep 27 01:35
gde33\|2	http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/semiconductors/optoelectronics/fiber-to-the-living-room	Sep 27 01:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-spectrum.ieee.org \| Li-Fi-like System Would Bring 100-Gbps Speeds Straight to Your Computer - IEEE Spectrum [ http://ur1.ca/nv62h ]		Sep 27 01:35
gde33\|2	data rates of 3 terabits per second	Sep 27 01:35
gde33\|2	my idea was to have a garden light that alterates between full brightness and slightly below (not visible)	Sep 27 01:36
gde33\|2	then you point a phone or a webcam at it and decode the data	Sep 27 01:36
gde33\|2	like a mesh network without cables :)	Sep 27 01:37
gde33\|2	and no radio	Sep 27 01:37
gde33\|2	and nocturnal for extra character :D	Sep 27 01:37
msb_	Phone and webcam are millions of times too slow.	Sep 27 01:38
gde33\|2	not at all, morse code is just fine	Sep 27 01:39
msb_	TB torrents are unnecessary and would clog up the Net so bad that corps and govt would attack BT.	Sep 27 01:39
gde33\|2	no one is going to stop it	Sep 27 01:39
gde33\|2	phones come with pretty decent cameras	Sep 27 01:40
gde33\|2	you could have a little screen and record data from that	Sep 27 01:41
gde33\|2	could do some fun tricks with lossy data	Sep 27 01:42
gde33\|2	could play a hd video at 4X speed divided over tiles with the audio encoded in a kind of qr code	Sep 27 01:44
gde33\|2	then it doesn't matter if you dont pick up the full resolution	Sep 27 01:45
gde33\|2	3 seconds X 4 X 9 tiles is 108 seconds of video	Sep 27 01:46
gde33\|2	just enough to walk to the next pick up point lol	Sep 27 01:47
gde33\|2	msb_: watching this btw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBck494b4Pg fun stuff	Sep 27 01:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| The Invisible Realm - Trevor James Constable \| Granada Forum (2008?) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nv64r ]		Sep 27 01:49
msb_	Photograped what looks like huge amoebas in the sky with IR film.	Sep 27 01:51
msb_	I have a book of his, somewhere.	Sep 27 01:52
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msb_	3 good anime's coming on Cartoon Network in 3 minutes	Sep 27 03:26
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cubexyz	you know what Bell Labs experts said to Unix newbies?	Sep 27 04:08
cubexyz	"Go fsck yourself"	Sep 27 04:08
cubexyz	it wasn't meant as a curse	Sep 27 04:09
cubexyz	it meant "go and correct your issue" (attitude, ignorance)	Sep 27 04:09
cubexyz	roughly speaking "go fix yourself"	Sep 27 04:09
cubexyz	file system consistency check	Sep 27 04:10
msb_	Probably meant a little of both.	Sep 27 05:00
msb_	In the BOFH tradition.	Sep 27 05:04
cubexyz	sounds ficticous	Sep 27 05:11
cubexyz	fictitious even	Sep 27 05:11
cubexyz	I remember one programmer telling me never to leave my terminal in vi	Sep 27 05:32
cubexyz	he thought some co-worker could add spurious characters to a file	Sep 27 05:33
cubexyz	not a trusting sort	Sep 27 05:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Gaming Leftovers http://t.co/deISwPgN0t	Sep 27 05:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Gaming Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Sep 27 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nv70g	Sep 27 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/SzvPukNSc0	Sep 27 05:47
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nv70h	Sep 27 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Leftovers (a little old)	Sep 27 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/BoC6sv2nzo (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 27 05:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nv70i	Sep 27 05:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Leftovers (a little old) \| Tux Machines		Sep 27 05:47
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastard_Operator_From_Hell	Sep 27 05:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Bastard Operator From Hell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nv70u ]		Sep 27 05:49
cubexyz	anyone like that would have been fired	Sep 27 05:50
msb_	You must have led a sheltered life!	Sep 27 05:53
msb_	I contracted by the hour to write a printer driver. The boss asked me how long it would take. I said two weeks. He agreed. I did it and gave him a bill for two weeks. He said, "I never agreed to that". I said, "you certainly did". He said, "My eyes weren't blinking. That meant I didn't really agree."	Sep 27 05:59
cubexyz	fictitious, as in made up	Sep 27 06:03
msb_	BOFH is fiction. My story is true.	Sep 27 06:04
cubexyz	ok, I believe you	Sep 27 06:04
cubexyz	always get it in writing	Sep 27 06:04
msb_	yep	Sep 27 06:05
msb_	The BOFH stories are pretty funny. I'm sure they're easy to find.	Sep 27 06:08
cubexyz	I could tell some customer stories	Sep 27 06:08
msb_	Tell on...	Sep 27 06:09
cubexyz	a rogers tech once yanked a card out of a computer than was running	Sep 27 06:09
cubexyz	some of the chips exploded	Sep 27 06:10
cubexyz	didn't know the difference between IDE and proprietary CD-ROM controllers	Sep 27 06:10
cubexyz	just horrible to deal with	Sep 27 06:10
cubexyz	I can't imagine how rogers hired him	Sep 27 06:11
cubexyz	another debacle was what happened to HP's software developer support program	Sep 27 06:14
cubexyz	they were supporting Unix, OS2, DOS and Linux	Sep 27 06:15
msb_	I mentioned yesterday how this server company deleted all my files without warning. They did it a previous time. Wanted to transfer me from one machine to another, and copied my files with a program which, if it found one error, deleted all the files. They _knew_ this!	Sep 27 06:15
cubexyz	so after 2001 I had to get into reverse-engineering scanner protocols	Sep 27 06:16
msb_	If a thing you buy from HP is out of warranty, they won	Sep 27 06:17
cubexyz	they eliminating their whole software support division	Sep 27 06:17
cubexyz	they eliminated rather	Sep 27 06:17
msb_	If a thing you buy from HP is out of warranty, they won't even talk to you on the phone unless you pay them $75. Maybe more now.	Sep 27 06:17
msb_	I guess they're used to dealing with the govt with infinite pockets.	Sep 27 06:18
cubexyz	oh I still use HP stuff, but it's all old stuff	Sep 27 06:19
cubexyz	I can fix the old stuff	Sep 27 06:19
cubexyz	there's quite a cottage industry for HP printer parts	Sep 27 06:19
cubexyz	I know a guy that still fixes HP minicomputers	Sep 27 06:19
cubexyz	calling HP... I don't bother	Sep 27 06:20
cubexyz	I bought an HP 4470C in 2003 or 2004	Sep 27 06:21
cubexyz	flatbed scanner	Sep 27 06:22
cubexyz	uses the RealTek RTS8891 chip	Sep 27 06:22
cubexyz	RealTek was unhelpful... there's no datasheet for it that I could find	Sep 27 06:23
msb_	Let me guess. You simulated it in FPGA?	Sep 27 06:24
cubexyz	so in 2009 I finally figured it out to the point where I could use the scanner under Linux	Sep 27 06:24
cubexyz	USB analyzer	Sep 27 06:24
msb_	It didn't come with a manual giving the protocols?	Sep 27 06:26
cubexyz	of course not	Sep 27 06:26
cubexyz	everything was a secret to lock out non-windows	Sep 27 06:26
msb_	Just a Windows program	Sep 27 06:26
cubexyz	just the binaries	Sep 27 06:26
cubexyz	yes	Sep 27 06:26
cubexyz	they used to have SCL "Scanner Control Language"	Sep 27 06:27
cubexyz	which was quite logical and easy to understand	Sep 27 06:27
msb_	"You think everything is a conspiracy" "Everything _is_!"	Sep 27 06:28
cubexyz	I didn't ask HP for a linux driver, just information on the RTS8891 chip	Sep 27 06:28
msb_	I remember seeing a nice manual for an HP printer.	Sep 27 06:28
cubexyz	I thought that was reasonable	Sep 27 06:29
cubexyz	but I won in the end	Sep 27 06:29
cubexyz	it just took way too long	Sep 27 06:29
cubexyz	the trouble with using an old scanner is the tube gets dimmer over time	Sep 27 06:30
msb_	Here's a bottle of disinfectant from CVS. It's tall, wide, and very thin from front to back. Falls over three times a day. Designed to fool people into thinking they're getting more than they are.	Sep 27 06:32
cubexyz	when I see CVS I think Concurrent Version System :)	Sep 27 06:32
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cubexyz	did you know that windows 2000 locked out HP 4470C?	Sep 27 06:33
cubexyz	no one wrote a driver for it... not even a windows 2000 one	Sep 27 06:34
cubexyz	or it might have been the HP 5200	Sep 27 06:34
cubexyz	but anyways, that's how crappy things are	Sep 27 06:34
cubexyz	of course anyone can write a scanner program for HP 5200... it's pretty easy	Sep 27 06:35
cubexyz	well, maybe not anyone but there's no great difficulty	Sep 27 06:35
cubexyz	totally planned obsolescence though	Sep 27 06:36
cubexyz	then things got botched up _again_	Sep 27 06:36
cubexyz	Linux stopped using /dev/usb/scanner0	Sep 27 06:36
msb_	My laser printer used to have a CUPS driver, but they deleted it. Now I have to use one for a similar printer. Works poorly.	Sep 27 06:37
cubexyz	now it's libusb	Sep 27 06:38
cubexyz	so libusb:XXX:YYY etc	Sep 27 06:38
cubexyz	who's they?	Sep 27 06:39
msb_	CUPS admins.	Sep 27 06:39
msb_	Now with systemd all kinds of things that used to work won't anymore.	Sep 27 06:40
cubexyz	ok, I hope this helps understand my approach of supporting old versions of software	Sep 27 06:41
msb_	Sure does!	Sep 27 06:42
cubexyz	too much abstraction and people can't remember how to do things	Sep 27 06:42
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msb_	I wonder how much Poettering got paid to ruin Linux for the entire world?	Sep 27 06:44
cubexyz	years ago I considered the possibility of Redhat turning into a sort of noveau Microsoft	Sep 27 06:45
msb_	You sure were right!	Sep 27 06:46
msb_	It's always a lot easier to do evil of you keep your preparations secret. And it almost always involve more than one person. Bingo! A Conspiracy!	Sep 27 06:49
msb_	of -> if	Sep 27 06:50
msb_	"By way of deception, thou shalt do war" -- motto of the Mossad	Sep 27 06:58
msb_	Shooters on the grassy knoll. Explosives in the WTC. Giving weapons to Mujahideen, Al-Qaeda, and ISIL.	Sep 27 06:59
msb_	Another translation of the Mossad motto: ""With clandestine terrorism we will conduct war"	Sep 27 07:18
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cubexyz	I know some people are disparaging chromebooks but I think they are decent enough	Sep 27 10:35
cubexyz	remember you get coreboot with it	Sep 27 10:35
cubexyz	good battery life	Sep 27 10:36
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DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Sep 27 11:10
DaemonFC	There's a Christian preacher that keeps coming to protest rock concerts in Fort Wayne. He brings his kids with them and he shouts into one of those hip-mounted speaker systems.	Sep 27 11:10
DaemonFC	I think I'm going to buy one and drown him out with the chicken dance or something next time. Maybe follow it up with the Macarena or stuff like that.	Sep 27 11:10
DaemonFC	Or The Sodom and Gomorrah Show by the Pet Shop Boys. I bet that'll piss them off.	Sep 27 11:12
DaemonFC	Ugggh. The move is tomorrow.	Sep 27 11:15
DaemonFC	I'm already exhausted just from tossing things out into the dumpster that I don't want to take with me.	Sep 27 11:15
DaemonFC	I threw out a power adapter for that e-bike and then my grandmother's scooter power adapter went missing, so I said "I just threw one of those out yesterday.".	Sep 27 11:16
DaemonFC	So I had to tear into the trash to find it. :/	Sep 27 11:16
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msb_	cubexyz: "<cubexyz> I know some people are disparaging chromebooks but I think they are decent enough" How does the fastest chromebook compare in pure MIPS speed with a modern cheap 8-core CPU like the AMD FX-8350 (which costs $160, but that's just for the CPU)?	Sep 27 15:33
msb_	Seems to me if you're going to spend a few hundred dollars on a computer, you might as well spend a couple hundred more and get one that's fast enough to display h265 videos, do video transcoding, and video editing. IOW, get one that's _cheap_ _nearly_ state-of-the-art.	Sep 27 15:40
msb_	That's my idea of the price/performance sweet spot.	Sep 27 15:41
msb_	As to coreboot, that's very nice, but all Linuxes have some kind of workaround for UEFI, right?	Sep 27 15:42
msb_	cubexyz: As an entry-level computer, a chromebook is a step above a SBC, hard disk and TV spread out on a table. And some people have hard limits on what they can afford...	Sep 27 15:47
cubexyz	having the source code for the firmware is very appealing	Sep 27 16:01
cubexyz	a "work-around" is hardly ideal	Sep 27 16:01
msb_	True. But it seems like the choice is between ideological purity and several times the speed.	Sep 27 16:03
msb_	What is the speed of the fastest Chromebook compared to an AMD FX-8350?	Sep 27 16:04
cubexyz	I think the fastest chromebook has a i5	Sep 27 16:05
msb_	Which i5?	Sep 27 16:06
cubexyz	google put quite a lot of work into getting coreboot working right	Sep 27 16:06
cubexyz	actually the pixel has an i7, but it's very expensive	Sep 27 16:07
cubexyz	i7-5500u dual-core seems to be the top of the line at the moment	Sep 27 16:09
msb_	But once the Linux does boot, one way or another, many people would like to do things that require high CPU speed, like displaying x265's and video editing.	Sep 27 16:09
msb_	i7-5500u is 3941 CPUMark, and FX-8350 is 8975 -- 2.27 times faster. How much does the i7-5500u Chromebook cost?	Sep 27 16:16
cubexyz	too much	Sep 27 16:16
cubexyz	about a grand	Sep 27 16:16
msb_	Yikes! for that you can get a whole FX-8350 desktop.	Sep 27 16:16
msb_	including a display	Sep 27 16:17
msb_	Don't most mobos today have a way of switching off UEFI?	Sep 27 16:18
cubexyz	it's not a matter of switching off UEFI	Sep 27 16:18
cubexyz	it's a matter of switching off secure boot	Sep 27 16:18
cubexyz	new windows PCs come with secure boot turned on by default	Sep 27 16:19
msb_	But can it be turned off?	Sep 27 16:19
cubexyz	yes	Sep 27 16:19
XRevan86	msb_: For now, yes.	Sep 27 16:19
msb_	Well, ok then	Sep 27 16:19
XRevan86	Windows 8.1 certification required possibility to disable Secure Boot.	Sep 27 16:20
cubexyz	I have to be careful when selecting a motherboard	Sep 27 16:20
cubexyz	I'd want it to work under openbsd and linux and perhaps Plan 9	Sep 27 16:21
cubexyz	I still have yet to try crouton under ChromeOS	Sep 27 16:22
cubexyz	chromebooks also have another advantage in that some models are fanless	Sep 27 16:22
XRevan86	cubexyz: ARM ones?	Sep 27 16:23
cubexyz	they also seem to heat up a lot less	Sep 27 16:23
cubexyz	some model of Celeron on this one	Sep 27 16:23
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msb_	For me, _any_ Intel CPU violates ideological purity. Intel is evil.	Sep 27 16:25
cubexyz	AMD is also pro-Microsoft	Sep 27 16:26
cubexyz	AMD doubled down on windows 10 laptops	Sep 27 16:26
cubexyz	as far as I know, there are no AMD chromebooks	Sep 27 16:26
msb_	But not as pro-MS as Intel.	Sep 27 16:27
cubexyz	Intel is just pro-Intel	Sep 27 16:27
cubexyz	did Intel abuse the market? yes	Sep 27 16:33
cubexyz	the EU found Intel guilty in an anti-trust case	Sep 27 16:34
cubexyz	Intel was fined 896 million euro	Sep 27 16:34
cubexyz	Coke made all sorts of exclusivity deals with retail outlets and restaurants	Sep 27 16:36
cubexyz	it's capitalism	Sep 27 16:36
cubexyz	Intel went too far... it actually paid vendors to delay or cancel AMD-using products	Sep 27 16:38
cubexyz	so avoiding Intel isn't invalid	Sep 27 16:38
cubexyz	if I could find an AMD FX-8350 motherboard with coreboot I'd buy it in a second	Sep 27 16:40
cubexyz	not to mention there's still that experiment with the fastest ever AGP card to try	Sep 27 16:43
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msb_	How about a mobo where you can switch secure-boot off in the BIOS?	Sep 27 16:44
cubexyz	that would be a necessity	Sep 27 16:45
cubexyz	the bare minimum actually	Sep 27 16:45
msb_	Would it be sufficient for you?	Sep 27 16:45
msb_	No mobo mfr is going to offer coreboot, because then it couldn't run winblows.	Sep 27 16:46
cubexyz	coreboot can run older windows	Sep 27 16:46
cubexyz	not sure about windows 10 though	Sep 27 16:46
cubexyz	lots of computers can't run windows	Sep 27 16:47
cubexyz	mainframes, chromebooks, lemote, amigas, etc	Sep 27 16:47
cubexyz	not being able to run windows is almost a feature :)	Sep 27 16:48
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cubexyz	but lemote was squeezed out of North America	Sep 27 16:49
cubexyz	I don't know anyone who sells them in North America	Sep 27 16:49
cubexyz	not even on ebay	Sep 27 16:50
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cubexyz	if a vendor sold pre-installed coreboot ATX motherboards I'd be right on it	Sep 27 16:51
cubexyz	CWLinux does modules with coreboot	Sep 27 16:52
cubexyz	but not ATX	Sep 27 16:52
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cubexyz	one must be aware that coreboot replaces a lot of black box code buried so deep inside EFI that there isn't even a proper name for it	Sep 27 16:58
cubexyz	do I trust closed source BIOS/EFI? no	Sep 27 16:59
cubexyz	older BIOS is probably OK	Sep 27 17:00
cubexyz	Microsoft crapped up everything with it's Windows 8 certification	Sep 27 17:00
cubexyz	and it's worse than people think	Sep 27 17:01
cubexyz	all firmware updates have to be cryptographically signed	Sep 27 17:01
cubexyz	the whole concept of rolling your own firmware becomes almost impossible	Sep 27 17:02
cubexyz	Redhat tried to mollify people about this but I have not much confidence about it	Sep 27 17:03
cubexyz	so you can run your secure boot version of Fedora but can't flash your firmware	Sep 27 17:04
cubexyz	on non-ARM systems the platform must implement the ability for a user to select between two secureboot modes	Sep 27 17:07
cubexyz	"custom" and "standard"	Sep 27 17:07
cubexyz	so it's all a bit murky	Sep 27 17:07
msb_	https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/SABERTOOTH_990FX_R20/ Can flash the BIOS from a USB stick!	Sep 27 17:07
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cubexyz	sure, you can flash with a binary supplied by the vendor	Sep 27 17:09
msb_	Says "solid capacitors" !	Sep 27 17:10
cubexyz	yes, the hardware looks good	Sep 27 17:10
msb_	Does coreboot support that mobo?	Sep 27 17:10
cubexyz	almost certainly not	Sep 27 17:10
cubexyz	there's partial support	Sep 27 17:11
cubexyz	flashrom works	Sep 27 17:11
cubexyz	probably a lot of stuff doesn't work	Sep 27 17:12
msb_	Looks like ASUS has a "legacy BIOS mode" https://www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/115035/	Sep 27 17:18
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cubexyz	haha	Sep 27 17:18
cubexyz	"always set the windows boot manager as the first priority"	Sep 27 17:19
cubexyz	pfffft	Sep 27 17:19
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msb_	It says there's a "legacy BIOS mode" !!!	Sep 27 17:38
msb_	I downloaded the manual, but can't find legacy BIOS mode or secure boot shutoff. http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/SocketAM3+/SABERTOOTH_990FX/E6674_SABERTOOTH_990FX_V2_u.zip	Sep 27 17:39
msb_	Have to call them up.	Sep 27 17:39
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msb_	It sure is a great mobo. 8 sata connections	Sep 27 17:44
msb_	Just to update you on the whole Secure Boot situation. It turns out that ASUS have confirmed that indeed my motherboard (Sabertooth 990FX rev1.01) does not support Secure Boot.	Sep 27 17:44
msb_	He wrote to them.	Sep 27 17:45
msb_	But the term UEFI is all over the manual.	Sep 27 17:46
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msb_	Not sure what to make of this: http://www.manualslib.com/manual/444979/Asus-Sabertooth-990fx-Gen3-R2-0.html?page=103	Sep 27 17:51
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cubexyz	can't really tell for sure unless you try it	Sep 27 17:59
msb_	6 USB3 and 12 USB2	Sep 27 18:36
msb_	costs about $190. With all that MILSPEC stuff it would be perfect for my saucer. If I can only find some Element 115 I could get my ass off this sorry rock!	Sep 27 18:40
msb_	Fry's has it for $180, and they allow returns.	Sep 27 18:43
msb_	cubexyz: Will old Unices like Plan 9 even run on a modern CPU like the AMD FX-8350?	Sep 27 18:49
msb_	Weren't the MMU controls different back then?	Sep 27 18:52
MinceR	http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/27/larry-lessig-democratic-presidential-candidate-campaign-finance-reform	Sep 27 19:47
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MinceR	x86 MMU is almost certainly backwards compatible	Sep 27 20:00
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msb_	http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36173.htm	Sep 27 21:42
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msb_	Obama and other US leaders keep repeating "Assad must go" but never say why. That Syrian girl tells why,	Sep 27 21:43
msb_	Putin has been sending troops and weapons into Syria to fight Isil. The US has armed more than 10,000 murderous jihadis and sent them to Syria, calling them "Syrian rebels". They've all gone over to ISIL, with their weapons. The US knows this, but since it's goal is to destroy Syria because it is anti-IMF, the US has kept on doing it.	Sep 27 21:46
MinceR	and advocating for a particular fascist will end fascism.	Sep 27 21:47
MinceR	brilliant plan.	Sep 27 21:47
msb_	Putin is going to speak before the UN General Assembly and explain. Let's hope he is very explicit about what's going on.	Sep 27 21:47
MinceR	like the UN will help anything	Sep 27 21:48
MinceR	the UN is trying to bring global censorship to the internet	Sep 27 21:48
MinceR	it has also harmed our rights via things like the WIPO Copyright Treaty	Sep 27 21:49
msb_	Carelessly using the labels "fascist" and ":fascism" just causes confusion. The facts are as I stated them.	Sep 27 21:49
MinceR	carelessly helping fascists in their endeavour causes nothing but harm	Sep 27 21:49
msb_	MinceR: Do you think ISIL is OK and should not be fought, like you think Svoboda and Right-Sector are OK?	Sep 27 21:51
MinceR	wrong on both counts	Sep 27 21:51
MinceR	all three, actually	Sep 27 21:51
MinceR	but it's cute how you try to attack and smear me for offending your favorite fascist dictator.	Sep 27 21:52
msb_	It's true that the UN has done nothing to stop the murderous US aggression against Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Ukraine, and Syria. It is pretty much a tool of the US/UK/EU/Israel.	Sep 27 21:53
MinceR	the UN has done plenty of harm	Sep 27 21:54
MinceR	it's time to get rid of it.	Sep 27 21:54
msb_	Mincer is lying about me as usual. Putin is not my favorite. But he is doing good in Syria, as he did in Crimea, and in forming the Eurasian Coalition.	Sep 27 21:54
MinceR	then msb_'s second favorite, after stalin, i guess	Sep 27 21:54
MinceR	yeah, oppressing people who are not msb_ is "doing good"	Sep 27 21:55
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mafia_state#Russia	Sep 27 21:55
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msb_	Since the UN is the only supranational body that's supposed to prevent war, it would be better to reform it than to get rid of it.	Sep 27 21:56
MinceR	i can't see how forcing evil copyright laws and censorship on the world will prevent war	Sep 27 21:56
MinceR	the UN is abusing its mandate.	Sep 27 21:56
msb_	MinceR has written vicious lies about me twice, 3 minutes ago.	Sep 27 21:58
MinceR	for an alleged anti-fascist, msb_ sure spends a lot of time advocating for fascists	Sep 27 21:58
msb_	Carelessly using the labels "fascist" and ":fascism" just causes confusion. The facts are as I stated them.	Sep 27 21:58
MinceR	apparently "careful" means "as the russian government instructs"	Sep 27 21:59
MinceR	if so, i'd rather be careless	Sep 27 21:59
MinceR	s/careless/"&"/	Sep 27 21:59
msb_	When MinceR described the Nazi coup in Ukraine he said it was just Ukraine seeking aid from EU. He omitted the role of the Svoboda and Right-Sector Nazi soldiers that were firing into the crowd.	Sep 27 22:02
msb_	When I posted the article about it in response to him, he posted articles about vaccines.	Sep 27 22:02
MinceR	that would be because svoboda and right sector were and still are a minority of that side	Sep 27 22:03
MinceR	the article was russian propaganda	Sep 27 22:03
MinceR	from a site that spews russian propaganda and other nonsense	Sep 27 22:03
msb_	The coup would not have succeeded without them.	Sep 27 22:04
MinceR	would shutting down the UN harm the USA?	Sep 27 22:04
MinceR	and how do you know that? did putin say it?	Sep 27 22:04
msb_	The world needs a properly performing UN.	Sep 27 22:05
MinceR	pity that we do not have one, then	Sep 27 22:05
msb_	yes	Sep 27 22:05
MinceR	we do have a UN that causes harm, though	Sep 27 22:05
MinceR	constantly	Sep 27 22:05
MinceR	we do not need that, do we?	Sep 27 22:05
msb_	Only slight harm so far.	Sep 27 22:06
MinceR	slight?	Sep 27 22:06
MinceR	banning reverse engineering software for compatibility is slight harm?	Sep 27 22:06
MinceR	threatening the world of shutting down the internet with global censorship is slight harm?	Sep 27 22:06
msb_	Give a link re software please.	Sep 27 22:06
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIPO_Copyright_Treaty	Sep 27 22:06
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MinceR	legal support for DRM is slight harm?	Sep 27 22:07
msb_	Threats -- position papers -- are not very harmful. Actions are.	Sep 27 22:07
MinceR	enabling censorship via frivolous complaints is slight harm?	Sep 27 22:07
MinceR	laws can be harmful.	Sep 27 22:07
MinceR	and they often are.	Sep 27 22:07
msb_	The wiki article does not mention the UN, nor reverse engineering software for compatibility. Please give a reference	Sep 27 22:09
MinceR	the WIPO is a part of the UN	Sep 27 22:10
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIPO	Sep 27 22:10
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msb_	yes	Sep 27 22:10
MinceR	and they forced this "treaty" on most of the planet	Sep 27 22:10
msb_	reverse engineering software for compatibility. Please give a reference	Sep 27 22:11
MinceR	they also granted it an illusion of legitimacy	Sep 27 22:11
MinceR	for example, reverse engineering a DRM implementation to provide a compatible one	Sep 27 22:11
MinceR	"It also prohibits circumvention of technological measures for the protection of works"	Sep 27 22:11
MinceR	i think it was broader than that, but maybe that was only the DMCA	Sep 27 22:12
MinceR	which is the USA's implementation of the WCT	Sep 27 22:12
MinceR	of course, the WIPO is all about "intellectual property"	Sep 27 22:13
msb_	_That_ is fascism -- violence to protect the ultra-wealthy. Well, Linux users have been using libdvdcss to decode dvds for many years. It just has to be gotten from separate websites. When psychopath fascism rules the world, it's good for people to learn to be outlaws!	Sep 27 22:16
msb_	"intellectual property" is a scam that benefits the ultra-wealthy	Sep 27 22:17
msb_	The RT program I linked to a couple of days ago said exactly that, quoting, IIRC, a non-Russian philosopher.	Sep 27 22:18
msb_	This is what RT quoted: http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/	Sep 27 22:24
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msb_	Among other things it said that every idea is based on a pile of previous ideas, so should not belong to any one person.	Sep 27 22:25
msb_	"Human knowledge belongs to the World" "Information wants to be free"	Sep 27 22:25
MinceR	it's a pity that humans don't want to be free	Sep 27 22:26
MinceR	it would be so much easier if they did	Sep 27 22:26
msb_	MinceR: Please read this. It may improve your ability to think accurately. http://www.rational.org.nz/prof-docs/Intro-CBT.pdf	Sep 27 22:27
msb_	Most humans _do_ want to be free. They were born that way. Through child abuse and social programming they may no longer seek freedom, or they may, but not know how to get it. But these problems can be remedied.	Sep 27 22:29
MinceR	then they're acting against their own desires, consistently	Sep 27 22:30
msb_	They are conflicted because of programming.	Sep 27 22:30
msb_	Social programming and childhood trauma.	Sep 27 22:31
msb_	The organized ruling psychopaths want obedient slaves, so they inflict that programming and trauma (for example, sit-down-and-shut-up educational system).	Sep 27 22:34
MinceR	if so, it's scary effective	Sep 27 22:34
msb_	But it's possible for people to observe and examine their own minds and overcome it. Cannabis can help.	Sep 27 22:34
msb_	It certainly is.	Sep 27 22:34
msb_	But by explaining it and broadcasting the explanation, we can help save the human race.	Sep 27 22:36
MinceR	well, we can try, anyway	Sep 27 22:36
msb_	That's what I've tried to do here, but it needs rewriting. It's too much in-your-face. It also needs links. http://cosmicpenguin.com/CauseAndCure.html	Sep 27 22:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com \| THE CAUSE AND CURE OF HUMANITY'S PROBLEMS [ http://ur1.ca/n52a6 ]		Sep 27 22:39
msb_	MinceR: Yes, we can try! That's the spirit!!!	Sep 27 22:39
msb_	We are the heroes we've been waiting for!	Sep 27 22:40
MinceR	so, where are our super powers, weapons and armor? :>	Sep 27 22:40
msb_	The Internet and Linux!	Sep 27 22:40
msb_	And ultra-cheap SBCs.	Sep 27 22:41
msb_	Goddess bless Devuan!	Sep 27 22:42
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__martin__	geekings	Sep 28 05:59
__martin__	worrying developments in southern europe	Sep 28 06:00
__martin__	mass media calling refugee camps by 'hotspots' eufemisms	Sep 28 06:00
__martin__	due to fingerprinting all the asylum seekers into db	Sep 28 06:01
__martin__	brave new world confirmed	Sep 28 06:01
__martin__	<end_rant/>	Sep 28 06:01
__martin__	* meanwhile putting a hotspot (real wifi one) on a back of a distinguished homeless city person becomes a new modern-slavery norm // wondering about reaction of a human organism	Sep 28 06:05
__martin__	TODAY'S WIN-WIN: Shell halted Alaska coast drilling plan. Greenpeace celebrates.	Sep 28 06:07
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msb_	The refugee problem is at last drawing the world's attention to the enormous death and destruction resulting from US/UK/NATO/EU attacks on Iraq Afghanistan Libya Syria -- nations that few people elsewhere evidently thought about before the flood of millions of refugees whose home nations were ruined by the US. And some US document has been revealed from years ago saying that this was the intention.	Sep 28 07:04
msb_	The US has justified all those attacks and mass murders on the basis of the 9/11 attacks. And that's why it's so important that research has shown that the WTC was blown up by explosives which only the US government could have planted there. http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911	Sep 28 07:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com \| Human Society That Works For Everyone		Sep 28 07:08
msb_	Sorry to blame all this horror mainly on one nation, but it's TRUE. (And it's the nation I happen to live in.)	Sep 28 07:11
XRevan86	msb_: http://storage8.static.itmages.com/i/15/0928/h_1443438673_6512286_a311b1624d.png	Sep 28 07:11
XRevan86	msb_: I remember you commenting Russian cursive :)	Sep 28 07:11
msb_	I don't remember. What did I say?	Sep 28 07:12
XRevan86	msb_: Or maybe it wasn't you…	Sep 28 07:13
msb_	Our sick culture makes mass-murder seem so _normal_, by calling it by a special word "war	Sep 28 07:14
msb_	Our sick culture makes mass-murder seem so _normal_, by calling it by a special word "war", that people are able to ignore it for many years, even though millions are being killed.	Sep 28 07:15
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msb_	"There is no fate but that which we make for ourselves." -- Terminator Genisys	Sep 28 07:44
cubexyz	msb_, you know what's so odd?	Sep 28 07:55
cubexyz	there are people saying all the plane videos were faked!	Sep 28 07:55
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msb_	Did you read what I wrote before? There's a whole disinformation operation running to discredit the real researchers. http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/disinfo.html	Sep 28 07:57
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msb_	It's been going on for years.	Sep 28 07:57
cubexyz	right, you mentioned that before	Sep 28 07:57
cubexyz	I even recall one guy talking about the Hutchison Effect	Sep 28 07:59
cubexyz	just bizarre stuff	Sep 28 07:59
msb_	People calling themselves "9/11 researchers" and putting out claims that anyone with good sense and a knowledge of physics and technology can tell are ridiculous.	Sep 28 07:59
msb_	Yes. There are simple explanations for how all of Hutchison's "effects" are faked.	Sep 28 08:00
msb_	Exactly _how_ the govt managed to fake about 40 different videos of the second tower being hit, they never get around to explaining.	Sep 28 08:01
cubexyz	the fusing of metal and wood would have been interesting to see	Sep 28 08:01
cubexyz	that would count as evidence at least	Sep 28 08:02
msb_	He made molds, some from plant root systems, and poured metal into them.	Sep 28 08:02
cubexyz	clever	Sep 28 08:04
msb_	He made wooden boxes with video cameras mounted on the inside looking in, flipped them over, released hidden magnets holding small objects to the bottom, thus making them appear to rise.	Sep 28 08:04
msb_	It was done with an entire room in the making of the movie Poltergeist, where JoBeth Williams was shown being forced up a wall and ceiling.	Sep 28 08:06
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msb_	There used to be a video of that on youtube, but it was removed. I may have a copy somewhere.	Sep 28 08:09
cubexyz	Evidently the chinese are replacing Windows with NeoKylin	Sep 28 08:20
cubexyz	Kylin was derived from Ubuntu but it didn't catch on	Sep 28 08:21
cubexyz	thus NeoKylin was made	Sep 28 08:22
cubexyz	they made it look like XP	Sep 28 08:22
msb_	Here we go. It starts about 3 minutes in. Note the strapped-down cameraman who was inside the rotating room too. http://cosmicpenguin.com/images/MakingOfPoltergeist-RotatingRoom-190-209sec.X6BC30xmCYs.flv	Sep 28 08:23
cubexyz	correction: original Kylin was based on FreeBSD	Sep 28 08:25
cubexyz	I remember they used to talk about Red Flag Linux but it's defunct now	Sep 28 08:27
msb_	What a huge amount of construction work for a scene that lasted only a couple of minutes.	Sep 28 08:27
msb_	If you google my name -- Mark Bilk -- you can probably still find web pages saying terrible things about me for disproving the "video fakery", "hologram planes", and "energy beams from space" disinformation.	Sep 28 08:33
cubexyz	I don't automatically believe everything I read on the internet	Sep 28 08:34
msb_	Critical thinking is the key!	Sep 28 08:34
cubexyz	I remember thinking... this was around 1987... that windows 2.0 was really slow	Sep 28 08:34
msb_	Did you watch the Poltergeist video? It plays on mplayer.	Sep 28 08:35
cubexyz	nah	Sep 28 08:35
msb_	I put it up for you just now!	Sep 28 08:35
cubexyz	anyways, that's when I started disliking microsoft	Sep 28 08:36
cubexyz	1987	Sep 28 08:36
cubexyz	ok, I watched the video	Sep 28 08:40
cubexyz	at least there's lots of non-microsoft now	Sep 28 08:42
cubexyz	ipad, chromebooks, android, lemote etc	Sep 28 08:43
cubexyz	the bell labs folks must have thought MSDOS was a real piece of crap	Sep 28 08:44
cubexyz	March 1975... the PDP-11/70 gets released	Sep 28 08:45
cubexyz	supports up to 4 megs of ram... of course it's too expensive for the home	Sep 28 08:46
cubexyz	DEC just couldn't make an affordable home computer	Sep 28 08:46
cubexyz	they made the DEC Rainbow 100 but it wasn't very good	Sep 28 08:47
cubexyz	the DEC Professional 380 had the J11 cpu, like the PDP-11/73	Sep 28 08:48
cubexyz	old Unix could only handle 2 megs early on	Sep 28 08:50
cubexyz	still, I'm sure that seemed like a lot back in 1975	Sep 28 08:50
cubexyz	in 1980 we had Commodore PETs with 32K :)	Sep 28 08:52
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MinceR	https://narf-archive.com/pix/33fffa03acef855f210363f06394f629ae0f317f.webm	Sep 28 10:19
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cubexyz	I don't understand these old cereal boxes	Sep 28 10:42
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/sugar-cereal.jpg	Sep 28 10:42
MinceR	:)	Sep 28 10:43
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cubexyz	Zeidman has a microsoft history	Sep 28 12:50
cubexyz	the whole a: b: thing was from CP/M	Sep 28 12:55
cubexyz	8.3 filenames	Sep 28 12:56
cubexyz	command.com	Sep 28 12:56
cubexyz	? and * wildcards	Sep 28 12:56
cubexyz	dir, erase, ren, type	Sep 28 12:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Blackphone 2 Review: A Slick But Very Expensive	Sep 28 13:02
TweetTuxMachines	Prophylactic For Your Android Security Woes	Sep 28 13:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ReNdBJuEZd (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 28 13:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvgmw	Sep 28 13:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Blackphone 2 Review: A Slick But Very Expensive Prophylactic For Your Android Security Woes \| Tux Machines		Sep 28 13:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BlackBerry CEO struggles to demonstrate the	Sep 28 13:02
TweetTuxMachines	company's new Android slider	Sep 28 13:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/wXskz4Uyi9 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 28 13:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvgmz	Sep 28 13:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| BlackBerry CEO struggles to demonstrate the company's new Android slider \| Tux Machines		Sep 28 13:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Marshmallow UK release date & new	Sep 28 13:12
TweetTuxMachines	features: Android 6.0 Marshmallow final version	Sep 28 13:12
TweetTuxMachines	due tomorrow - when ... http://t.co/nXclEFqheM	Sep 28 13:12
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 28 13:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvgoq	Sep 28 13:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines “My first favourite thing about Krita is that	Sep 28 13:12
TweetTuxMachines	it’s free!” https://t.co/a9RX87doTh (krita.org)	Sep 28 13:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvgor	Sep 28 13:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-krita.org \| Interview with Anusha Bhanded \| Krita		Sep 28 13:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Jagged Alliance Online: Reloaded Looks Like It	Sep 28 13:12
TweetTuxMachines	Will Come To Linux https://t.co/WT4bilvlm8	Sep 28 13:12
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Sep 28 13:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvgos	Sep 28 13:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Jagged Alliance Online: Reloaded Looks Like It Will Come To Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Sep 28 13:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Blackphone 2 Review: A Slick But Very Expensive	Sep 28 13:13
TweetTuxMachines	Prophylactic For Your Android Security Woes	Sep 28 13:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/5XPz1KObjR (www.forbes.com)	Sep 28 13:13
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvgox	Sep 28 13:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BlackBerry CEO struggles to demonstrate the	Sep 28 13:13
TweetTuxMachines	company’s new Android slider	Sep 28 13:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/mJmRQpgx3K (www.theverge.com)	Sep 28 13:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvgoy	Sep 28 13:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ars #microsoft http://t.co/6FRrkgF773	Sep 28 13:13
TweetTuxMachines	(arstechnica.com) typical from them…	Sep 28 13:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Ditch Linux for Windows 10 on your Raspberry Pi with Microsoft’s IoT kit \| Ars Technica		Sep 28 13:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/KA8PdUXhzc (techrights.org)	Sep 28 13:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/JelMsf8GXv (techrights.org)	Sep 28 13:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/8fY5Di6aGG (techrights.org)	Sep 28 13:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvgp0	Sep 28 13:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Microsoft Embracing, Extending, Extinguishing the Linux-centric Arduino and Raspberry Pi, Making Them Windows Devices \| Techrights		Sep 28 13:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Painting Microsoft as ‘Friend’ of Free/Open Source Software and GNU/Linux to Help it Devour All Data, Workloads \| Techrights		Sep 28 13:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| OLPC Lessons Not Learned: Imposing Microsoft Windows on Young Students Using Embrace, Extend and Extinguish of Raspberry Pi \| Techrights		Sep 28 13:13
cubexyz	so what BIOS does the raspberry pi use?	Sep 28 13:15
cubexyz	ah, of course... closed source proprietary code just as I suspected	Sep 28 13:16
cubexyz	and it uses FAT	Sep 28 13:17
cubexyz	1st stage bootloader is on a small ROM	Sep 28 13:17
cubexyz	https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/	Sep 28 13:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-github.com \| raspberrypi/firmware · GitHub		Sep 28 13:18
cubexyz	don't be in any rush to buy a raspberry pi if you want firmware source code	Sep 28 13:19
cubexyz	yes, the cathedral again	Sep 28 13:21
cubexyz	or semi-cathedral at least	Sep 28 13:21
cubexyz	it's broadcom's doing...	Sep 28 13:29
cubexyz	raspberry pi uses something called VCOS (Video Core OS)	Sep 28 13:29
cubexyz	Video Core is proprietary, there is no official documentation or development tools	Sep 28 13:30
cubexyz	there's work being done on beaglebone to add coreboot support	Sep 28 13:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Marshmallow UK release date & new	Sep 28 13:39
TweetTuxMachines	features: Android 6.0 Marshmallow final version	Sep 28 13:39
TweetTuxMachines	due tomorrow http://t.co/BPUdWZbRdW	Sep 28 13:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcadvisor.co.uk \| Android 6.0 Marshmallow due tomorrow - when will I get Android M? - New Product - PC Advisor		Sep 28 13:39
TweetTuxMachines	(www.pcadvisor.co.uk)	Sep 28 13:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvgui	Sep 28 13:39
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cubexyz	as I said... the raspberry pi isn't that great of a choice anyways	Sep 28 13:40
cubexyz	microsoft's machinations notwithstanding	Sep 28 13:40
MinceR	at least it's well supported	Sep 28 13:41
MinceR	one can easily enable fullhd 24bit output, it's documented and it actually works	Sep 28 13:42
MinceR	also, it's not limited to one distro that the vendor sort of hacked up so it kind of works	Sep 28 13:42
MinceR	also, it doesn't need to be flashed (risking bricking) to make it run an os of the user's choice	Sep 28 13:42
cubexyz	someone has to do that, and I'd like to be able to flash stuff with firmware I compiled myself	Sep 28 13:43
cubexyz	harder? yes, definitely	Sep 28 13:43
cubexyz	why reward broadcom for their closed source firmware?	Sep 28 13:44
MinceR	if making actual replacements (not just half-assed attempts) was as popular as shitting on the rpi, we'd be swimming in good SBCs	Sep 28 13:44
MinceR	like the cubietruck, which can do fullscreen noise and crash	Sep 28 13:45
MinceR	but no actual fullhd output	Sep 28 13:45
cubexyz	I mentioned beaglebone	Sep 28 13:45
MinceR	i don't know the beablebones	Sep 28 13:45
cubexyz	it has coreboot support, at least to some degree	Sep 28 13:45
MinceR	oh, also, nobody bothers to make enclosures for most SBCs	Sep 28 13:45
MinceR	i don't know why	Sep 28 13:45
msb_	Doesn't anyone do disassembly anymore? Seems like a clever multipass disassembler could make it easy.	Sep 28 13:46
MinceR	i guess people do less disassembly now that the source code is available more often and we use more complex languages	Sep 28 13:47
cubexyz	MinceR, https://www.adafruit.com/products/1555	Sep 28 13:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.adafruit.com \| Adafruit BBB Case - Enclosure for Beagle Bone Black ID: 1555 - $9.95 : Adafruit Industries, Unique & fun DIY electronics and kits		Sep 28 13:47
cubexyz	coreboot is mostly C language	Sep 28 13:48
MinceR	nice	Sep 28 13:48
cubexyz	it's a framework to start from	Sep 28 13:48
cubexyz	and yes, one can disassemble binary blobs but it's a very hard way to go	Sep 28 13:49
cubexyz	I'd rather start with actual datahsheets for the chips	Sep 28 13:49
cubexyz	or...even better... here's the firmware source code for you to study	Sep 28 13:50
cubexyz	it could take years to derive source code from blobs	Sep 28 13:53
cubexyz	Samsung XE303CE Chromebook is ARM and fully supported by coreboot	Sep 28 14:06
cubexyz	Beaglebone Black coreboot support is coming, but still a work-in-progress	Sep 28 14:07
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msb_	I have been on the phone for an hour and forty minutes with ASUS to ascertain whether UEFI/secure-boot can be turned off. The hard-to-understand guy from the Philipines, consulting with a "third level technician" who assures that there is a CSM -- compatibility support module -- that turns it off. But so far, in the manual, the website, they have not been able to find any mention on it. It is mentioned on various web pages. Now I'm	Sep 28 20:53
msb_	connected with the 3rd level tech, a woman who speaks understandable English, and she's looking.	Sep 28 20:53
msb_	This is for the SABERTOOTH 990FX mobo. Of course what we really want is a Tyrannosaurus Rex mobo, but a Sabertooth is the most vicious they have.	Sep 28 20:55
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MinceR	:)	Sep 28 21:10
MinceR	do they have anything that isn't extinct? :>	Sep 28 21:10
msb_	There's the Killer Space Dragon That Ate The Earth mobo, but that costs more.	Sep 28 21:19
msb_	What they need is one whose _documentation_ isn't extinct.	Sep 28 21:21
msb_	I mentioned the T.Rex and she laughed.	Sep 28 21:22
MinceR	:)	Sep 28 21:27
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/geekbrit/status/648134373502513152	Sep 28 21:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@geekbrit: @schestowitz @fth_nix Or... Intel effed up again?		Sep 28 21:42
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/648128928125714433	Sep 28 21:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: "nor is there Adobe Flash support" → thus not adequate for risk-loving exhibitionist masochists https://t.co/XLavbewiD4		Sep 28 21:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 64-bit ARM Is Becoming Usable For Day-To-Day Linux Desktop http://t.co/tiwmFNRPfY #gnu #linux #arm #arm64		Sep 28 21:43
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Ara	Sep 28 22:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Project Ara - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nvjlb ]		Sep 28 22:41
msb_	https://www.theverge.com/2015/8/19/9179413/google-explains-project-ara-delay	Sep 28 22:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com \| Google's Project Ara phone was delayed because it broke apart when dropped \| The Verge [ http://ur1.ca/nvjle ]		Sep 28 22:41
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msb_	http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/09/28/obama-deifies-american-hegemony-paul-craig-roberts/	Sep 28 23:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.paulcraigroberts.org \| Obama Deifies American Hegemony -- Paul Craig Roberts - PaulCraigRoberts.org [ http://ur1.ca/nvjwg ]		Sep 28 23:37
msb_	I heard Obama say several times that a catastrophe like in Syria could not occur in a democracy. But PCR (above) says Assad was voted in by 80%. The US has sent more than 10,000 armed jihadi psychopaths into Syria, calling then "Syrian rebels". They've all gone over to ISIL or Al Nusrah (Al Qaeda) with their American weapons. The US decided years ago to remove ("regime-change") Assad because he wouldn't take IMF loans and eternal	Sep 29 00:12
msb_	debt slavery, and he opposes Israeli genocide of the Palestinians. Obama was totally lying!	Sep 29 00:12
msb_	It was pretty much the same thing with Libya, which Obama totally destr0yed.	Sep 29 00:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Forked-Android smartphones advance to second	Sep 29 00:25
TweetTuxMachines	generation http://t.co/WYlrYvLyaJ	Sep 29 00:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 29 00:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvk5t	Sep 29 00:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Forked-Android smartphones advance to second generation \| Tux Machines		Sep 29 00:25
msb_	http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36173.htm	Sep 29 00:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.informationclearinghouse.info \| Why The US, UK, EU & Israel Want To Destroy Syria [ http://ur1.ca/ndk0k ]		Sep 29 00:32
msb_	cubexyz: Are you there?	Sep 29 00:49
msb_	cubexyz: Proof that UEFI/secure-boot can be turned of on ASUS 990FX mobo. "CSM" means "compatibility support module". https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?37591-Sabertooth-990FX-Rev2-won-t-detect-my-HDD-or-SSD-can-t-install-an-OS!-Help! https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7416500.html	Sep 29 02:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rog.asus.com \| Sabertooth 990FX Rev2 won't detect my HDD or SSD, can't install an OS! Help! [ http://ur1.ca/nvkpu ]		Sep 29 02:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.gentoo.org \| Gentoo Forums :: View topic - UEFI on ASUS Sabertooth 990fx r2? [ http://ur1.ca/nvkpv ]		Sep 29 02:24
msb_	of -> off	Sep 29 02:25
msb_	cubexyz: also mailed you some info	Sep 29 02:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Alcatel One Touch Fire E / Firefox OS -	Sep 29 02:58
TweetTuxMachines	Retrospective http://t.co/U9h4n3ViBa	Sep 29 02:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 29 02:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvkvl	Sep 29 02:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Alcatel One Touch Fire E / Firefox OS - Retrospective \| Tux Machines		Sep 29 02:59
*TweetTuxMachines @TechCraiz favourited '"485 out of 500 systems were using Linux"...'		Sep 29 02:59
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/rosscdh/status/648375023703617537	Sep 29 03:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rosscdh: Let's hope. Trust no one. Least of all the winner of lowest tender https://t.co/s6W1GnDCMi		Sep 29 03:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Could VW scandal lead to open-source software for better automobile cybersecurity? http://t.co/SUf6b6fg4r #freesw #epa		Sep 29 03:08
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/EngBatikoy/status/648246647860916224	Sep 29 03:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@EngBatikoy: Health for all! https://t.co/lfeQul3whv		Sep 29 03:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: U.S. drug company sues Canada for trying to lower cost of $700K-a-year drug http://t.co/KCt57mIjr6 corporations vs, states/people. #isds		Sep 29 03:08
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/647805509496623104	Sep 29 03:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gnutelephony: https://t.co/8tPHiy0kQY so your documents are converted on-line for you by an untrustworthy entity; what could go wrong?! @schestowitz		Sep 29 03:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.aeyoun.com \| Document format support in the new Word apps and Word 2016 \| Aeyoun		Sep 29 03:10
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/647804829981638656 https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/647804896662679552	Sep 29 03:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz I've been reading about monopolies, and grant of patents made sense in the 19th century, not nowadays. Now, patents are		Sep 29 03:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz Granted monopolies by governments.		Sep 29 03:11
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r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/646357641917276160	Sep 29 03:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz epo does not follow the rule of law principle, see point 3 of my appeal against the unipat in Belgium.		Sep 29 03:34
r_schestowitz	EasyJet	Sep 29 04:15
r_schestowitz	d by nos puede meter #ISDS por la puerta de atrás	Sep 29 04:15
r_schestowitz	[09:01] <TweetSchestowitz> @glynmoody https://t.co/FKN7jZecpz (www.tni.org)	Sep 29 04:15
r_schestowitz	[09:01] <TweetSchestowitz> http://t.co/WeSoXamjmd	Sep 29 04:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tni.org \| La democracia en venta \| Transnational Institute		Sep 29 04:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Soltrumbo: Estamos parando el #TTIP pero el #CETA (Canada) nos puede meter #ISDS por la puerta de atrás https://t.co/FKN7jZecpz http://t.co/WeSoXamjmd		Sep 29 04:15
r_schestowitz	[09:01] <TweetSchestowitz> ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvl7n	Sep 29 04:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Soltrumbo: Estamos parando el #TTIP pero el #CETA (Canada) nos puede meter #ISDS por la puerta de atrás https://t.co/FKN7jZecpz http://t.co/WeSoXamjmd		Sep 29 04:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- (Re-tweeted by glynmoody)		Sep 29 04:15
r_schestowitz	[09:01] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- www.tni.org \| La democracia en venta \| Transnational Institute	Sep 29 04:15
r_schestowitz	[09:01] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- @Soltrumbo: Estamos parando el #TTIP pero el #CETA (Canada) nos puede meter #ISDS por la puerta de atrás https://t.co/FKN7jZecpz http://t.co/WeSoXamjmd	Sep 29 04:15
r_schestowitz	[09:01] <TweetSchestowitz> @JackofKent So: Jeremy Corbyn has raised the proposed	Sep 29 04:15
r_schestowitz	[09:01] <TweetSchestowitz> retweeted by MoJ-Saudi contract directly with the Prime	Sep 29 04:15
r_schestowitz	[09:01] <TweetSchestowitz> @glynmoody Minister: http://t.co/CKRPkx5c3C	Sep 29 04:15
r_schestowitz	[09:01] <TweetSchestowitz> (www.bbc.co.uk)	Sep 29 04:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.co.uk \| Jeremy Corbyn raises death row Saudi's case with PM - BBC News		Sep 29 04:15
r_schestowitz	[09:01] <TweetSchestowitz> ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvl7o	Sep 29 04:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JackofKent: So: Jeremy Corbyn has raised the proposed MoJ-Saudi contract directly with the Prime Minister: http://t.co/CKRPkx5c3C		Sep 29 04:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- (Re-tweeted by glynmoody)		Sep 29 04:15
r_schestowitz	[09:01] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- www.bbc.co.uk \| Jeremy Corbyn raises death row Saudi's case with PM - BBC News	Sep 29 04:15
r_schestowitz	[09:02] <TweetSchestowitz> @timlusher Junior doctors in despair over new contracts -	Sep 29 04:15
r_schestowitz	[09:02] <TweetSchestowitz> retweeted by one earned more working for a phone company as	Sep 29 04:15
r_schestowitz	[09:02] <TweetSchestowitz> @glynmoody a student: http://t.co/zVVTGvDf5q	Sep 29 04:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| ‘I can’t sacrifice my family for the NHS’: the junior doctors forced out of jobs they love \| Society \| The Guardian		Sep 29 04:15
r_schestowitz	[09:02] <TweetSchestowitz> (www.theguardian.com)	Sep 29 04:15
r_schestowitz	[09:02] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- www.theguardian.com \| ‘I can’t sacrifice my family for the NHS’: the junior doctors forced out of jobs they love \| Society \| The Guardian	Sep 29 04:15
r_schestowitz	[09:02] <TweetSchestowitz> ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvl7r	Sep 29 04:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@timlusher: Junior doctors in despair over new contracts - one earned more working for a phone company as a student: http://t.co/zVVTGvDf5q		Sep 29 04:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- (Re-tweeted by glynmoody)		Sep 29 04:15
r_schestowitz	[09:03] <r_schestowitz> https://twitter.com/georgebaily/status/648765648353525760	Sep 29 04:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@georgebaily: @schestowitz if you had to pick, what twitter alternative is your choice atm?		Sep 29 04:15
r_schestowitz	[09:03] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- @georgebaily: @schestowitz if you had to pick, what twitter alternative is your choice atm?	Sep 29 04:15
r_schestowitz	[09:03] <r_schestowitz> Diaspora is the main network I'm on, Twitter gets copies of that	Sep 29 04:15
r_schestowitz	[09:04] <TweetSchestowitz> @glynmoody says it all... https://t.co/IhjYWkVdap	Sep 29 04:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@harrydcarr: Sky Data poll: strong support for Corbyn policies - but drops by up to 10 points when people know they're Corbyn's http://t.co/uWaPjb5zBY		Sep 29 04:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.sky.com \| Corbyn Speech To Promise 'Kinder Politics'		Sep 29 04:15
r_schestowitz	[09:04] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- @harrydcarr: Sky Data poll: strong support for Corbyn policies - but drops by up to 10 points when people know they're Corbyn's http://t.co/uWaPjb5zBY	Sep 29 04:15
r_schestowitz	[09:04] <TweetSchestowitz> (twitter.com)	Sep 29 04:15
r_schestowitz	[09:04] <TweetSchestowitz> ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvl7z	Sep 29 04:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: says it all... https://t.co/IhjYWkVdap		Sep 29 04:15
r_schestowitz	[09:04] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- -> news.sky.com \| Corbyn Speech To Promise 'Kinder Politics'	Sep 29 04:15
r_schestowitz	[09:04] <TweetSchestowitz> @RalfGrahn @glynmoody Thanks, also saw @jonworth referring	Sep 29 04:15
r_schestowitz	[09:04] <TweetSchestowitz> retweeted by to critical #evoting assessment regarding	Sep 29 04:16
r_schestowitz	[09:04] <TweetSchestowitz> @glynmoody #Estonia https://t.co/yjsAUBTQsQ	Sep 29 04:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-estoniaevoting.org \| Independent Report on E-voting in Estonia \| A security analysis of Estonia's Internet voting system by international e-voting experts.		Sep 29 04:16
r_schestowitz	[09:04] <TweetSchestowitz> (estoniaevoting.org) #euparl #AFCO	Sep 29 04:16
r_schestowitz	[09:04] [Notice] -TechrightsSocial to #boycottnovell-social- estoniaevoting.org \| Independent Report on E-voting in Estonia \| A security analysis of Estonia's Internet voting system by international e-voting experts.	Sep 29 04:16
r_schestowitz	[09:04] <TweetSchestowitz> ........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvl80	Sep 29 04:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RalfGrahn: @glynmoody Thanks, also saw @jonworth referring to critical #evoting assessment regarding #Estonia https://t.co/yjsAUBTQsQ #euparl #AFCO		Sep 29 04:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- (Re-tweeted by glynmoody)		Sep 29 04:16
r_schestowitz	[09:04] <TweetSchestowitz> @naina_bajekal Nearly every Syrian refugee I met last week in	Sep 29 04:16
r_schestowitz	[09:04] <TweetSchestowitz> retweeted by Germany was fleeing Assad, not ISIS.	Sep 29 04:16
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r_schestowitz	> Dear Roy,	Sep 29 04:38
r_schestowitz	>	Sep 29 04:38
r_schestowitz	>	Sep 29 04:38
r_schestowitz	>	Sep 29 04:38
r_schestowitz	> I just read your above-mentioned blog post. Specifically with regard to transparency and democracy in the UPC context, do you know my papers “Law-making in camera” (accessible here) and “The sub-sub-suboptimal compromise of the EU Parliament” (accessible here) from 2013? Having a look might be worthwhile.	Sep 29 04:38
r_schestowitz	>	Sep 29 04:38
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r_schestowitz	> Best wishes	Sep 29 04:39
r_schestowitz	>	Sep 29 04:39
r_schestowitz	> Ingve	Sep 29 04:39
r_schestowitz	>	Sep 29 04:39
r_schestowitz	>	Sep 29 04:39
r_schestowitz	Thanks, I shall have a look in the coming back as I've just returned home after 2 weeks.	Sep 29 04:39
r_schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6637581	Sep 29 04:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: The super cheap $9 Linux based Chip PC starts shipping from today http://www.techworm.net/2015/09/worlds-first-9-linux-based-computer-is-shipping-now.html		Sep 29 04:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.techworm.net \| World's first $9 Linux based computer is shipping now [ http://ur1.ca/nvlf6 ]		Sep 29 04:41
r_schestowitz	"It’s open hardware. Cool!"	Sep 29 04:41
r_schestowitz	Will hopefully catch on	Sep 29 04:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Forked-Android smartphones advance to second	Sep 29 05:06
TweetTuxMachines	generation http://t.co/NSBoBlMVwE	Sep 29 05:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Forked-Android smartphones advance to second generation · LinuxGizmos.com		Sep 29 05:06
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Sep 29 05:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvlko	Sep 29 05:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Alcatel One Touch Fire E / Firefox OS -	Sep 29 05:06
TweetTuxMachines	Retrospective http://t.co/NuZmxbjPpC	Sep 29 05:06
TweetTuxMachines	(dummdida.tumblr.com)	Sep 29 05:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dummdida.tumblr.com \| dummdida — Alcatel One Touch Fire E / Firefox OS - Retrospective		Sep 29 05:06
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cubexyz	I don't want secure boot at all	Sep 29 05:24
cubexyz	I want firmware source code	Sep 29 05:24
cubexyz	no jumping through secure boot hoops	Sep 29 05:25
cubexyz	so far chromebooks are the best for that, but I'm hoping some day that beaglebone will be fully supported	Sep 29 05:26
cubexyz	it's all BS... I can lock out firmware writes myself	Sep 29 05:27
cubexyz	I don't need secure boot	Sep 29 05:27
cubexyz	I mentioned this about HP Pavilion quite a while ago:	Sep 29 05:33
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/secure-boot.txt	Sep 29 05:33
cubexyz	better to completely KO the firmware with coreboot	Sep 29 05:35
cubexyz	you better believe that the defaults are "secure boot ON"	Sep 29 05:37
cubexyz	so if your CMOS battery goes, it's back to jumping through hoops	Sep 29 05:37
cubexyz	this is a perfect example of the boiling frog anecdote	Sep 29 05:38
cubexyz	even if people go with the silly fedora signed kernel... well guess what? No unsigned custom kernels!	Sep 29 05:40
cubexyz	crackers usually don't even hijack the bootloader usually	Sep 29 05:42
cubexyz	their stupid windows computer is infected AFTER booting!	Sep 29 05:43
cubexyz	so secure boot is BS	Sep 29 05:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines First thoughts: Linux on the Supermicro	Sep 29 05:50
TweetTuxMachines	5028D-T4NT https://t.co/KAalv7KkuL (major.io)	Sep 29 05:50
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvluf	Sep 29 05:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-major.io \| First thoughts: Linux on the Supermicro 5028D-T4NT - major.io		Sep 29 05:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BlackBerry Sees the Android Light	Sep 29 05:50
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/71EO1Sj9JZ (www.linuxinsider.com)	Sep 29 05:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvlug	Sep 29 05:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxinsider.com \| BlackBerry Sees the Android Light \| Mobile \| LinuxInsider		Sep 29 05:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Huawei Watch Review, the classiest Android Wear	Sep 29 05:51
TweetTuxMachines	smartwatch available right now	Sep 29 05:51
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/4NCMCuMo7H (phandroid.com)	Sep 29 05:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvluh	Sep 29 05:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-phandroid.com \| Huawei Watch Review, the classiest Android Wear smartwatch available right now		Sep 29 05:51
msb_	cubexyz: Proof that UEFI/secure-boot can be turned of on ASUS 990FX mobo. "CSM" means "compatibility support module". https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?37591-Sabertooth-990FX-Rev2-won-t-detect-my-HDD-or-SSD-can-t-install-an-OS!-Help! https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7416500.html	Sep 29 06:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rog.asus.com \| Sabertooth 990FX Rev2 won't detect my HDD or SSD, can't install an OS! Help! [ http://ur1.ca/nvkpu ]		Sep 29 06:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-forums.gentoo.org \| Gentoo Forums :: View topic - UEFI on ASUS Sabertooth 990fx r2? [ http://ur1.ca/nvkpv ]		Sep 29 06:09
msb_	cubexyz: So you can have a modern fast 8-core computer that will run any OS.	Sep 29 06:12
msb_	3 times faster than a chromebook.	Sep 29 06:12
msb_	cubexyz: Hopefully you received my e-mail with the precise instructions from ASUS that they sent me yesterday.	Sep 29 06:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu broke Java because of Unity	Sep 29 06:19
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/FBSCYwK0bQ (www.vitavonni.de)	Sep 29 06:19
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvm12	Sep 29 06:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vitavonni.de \| Ubuntu broke Java because of Unity		Sep 29 06:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Solus Arrives on October 1, Big Changes Land	Sep 29 06:19
TweetTuxMachines	for Budgie Desktop http://t.co/cCPcrHo2kJ	Sep 29 06:19
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Sep 29 06:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Solus Arrives on October 1, Big Changes Land for Budgie Desktop - Softpedia		Sep 29 06:19
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvm13	Sep 29 06:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines More Ubuntu Phones Coming Soon, Says Official	Sep 29 06:19
TweetTuxMachines	Site http://t.co/a2WwgnHkyp	Sep 29 06:19
TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	Sep 29 06:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| More Ubuntu Phones Coming Soon, Says Official Site - Softpedia		Sep 29 06:19
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvm14	Sep 29 06:19
cubexyz	msb_, that's just crap	Sep 29 06:22
cubexyz	I'm not going to do that	Sep 29 06:22
msb_	why	Sep 29 06:23
cubexyz	they have obfuscated the booting process	Sep 29 06:23
msb_	You always have to do some BIOS setups when you build a new computer.	Sep 29 06:24
cubexyz	save secure boot keys to USB <- no thanks	Sep 29 06:24
cubexyz	not even sure what that means even	Sep 29 06:25
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msb_	That's if you want to be able to run windows 10 later. Note that that step is labelled OPTIONAL.	Sep 29 06:25
msb_	$180 for the FX8350 CPU and $180 for the mobo	Sep 29 06:26
msb_	You can view big x265 videos, do video editing, super-fast compiles, all sorts of things	Sep 29 06:27
msb_	transcode videos to save disk space	Sep 29 06:27
cubexyz	at the very least secure boot mus be disabled by default	Sep 29 06:28
cubexyz	only then would I consider it	Sep 29 06:28
msb_	MILSPEC, solid capacitors like you want	Sep 29 06:28
cubexyz	that's only part of what I want	Sep 29 06:29
msb_	Why? How often is the battery going to lose power? Every 5 years. And if it does resetting the BIOS only takes a couple minutes.	Sep 29 06:29
cubexyz	I want the firmware source	Sep 29 06:31
cubexyz	I know every step of the startup process on Gigabyte GA-BXC	Sep 29 06:32
cubexyz	and I'll prove it:	Sep 29 06:35
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/coreboot-serial-output.txt	Sep 29 06:35
msb_	"<cubexyz> if I could find an AMD FX-8350 motherboard with coreboot I'd buy it in a second"	Sep 29 06:35
cubexyz	right	Sep 29 06:36
msb_	cubexyz: Why, exactly, do you need to have the firmware source?	Sep 29 06:36
cubexyz	same reason I want the source code for my operating system	Sep 29 06:36
cubexyz	I want to know exactly what my computer is doing	Sep 29 06:36
msb_	You think an ASUS mobo is secretly going to do something nasty?	Sep 29 06:37
cubexyz	sure	Sep 29 06:38
msb_	Like what?	Sep 29 06:38
cubexyz	well, NSA bios backdoor for one thing	Sep 29 06:39
cubexyz	but who knows, if you don't have the source code	Sep 29 06:39
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msb_	Is coreboot ever going to support a mobo for a fast 8-core cpu?	Sep 29 06:39
cubexyz	they are working on it	Sep 29 06:40
cubexyz	these things take time	Sep 29 06:40
msb_	like about when?	Sep 29 06:40
cubexyz	it really depends a lot on datasheets	Sep 29 06:40
cubexyz	if the datasheets for all the chips is available then 6 months	Sep 29 06:41
cubexyz	if not, it can take years	Sep 29 06:41
msb_	Could it be that you prefer to have a slow computer?	Sep 29 06:41
cubexyz	no, I want firmware source code... I put at least 100 hours into the Gigabyte project	Sep 29 06:43
cubexyz	tested it with many different operating systems	Sep 29 06:44
msb_	If there's anything in your life that you don't want the NSA to find out about, you can't communicate it to anybody, except by whispering it directly in their ear.	Sep 29 06:44
msb_	If you talk about it on the Net or by phone they can find out.	Sep 29 06:44
cubexyz	NSA hacked Dell Servers, it's proven	Sep 29 06:45
msb_	What OS were they running?	Sep 29 06:46
cubexyz	at the time I think they were running windows 2000, 2003, and XP	Sep 29 06:46
msb_	Ha!	Sep 29 06:46
cubexyz	but even if the NSA isn't hacking my computer I still want firmware source code	Sep 29 06:47
msb_	I think it's your religion.	Sep 29 06:47
msb_	Do you read all the Linux kernel source code?	Sep 29 06:48
cubexyz	anything I have to look at I look at	Sep 29 06:49
cubexyz	for example, the init code, wall, most of coreutils	Sep 29 06:49
cubexyz	security patches for bash	Sep 29 06:50
cubexyz	that sort of thing	Sep 29 06:50
cubexyz	I wanted to build a gtk1 browser so I did	Sep 29 06:50
msb_	I said kernel.	Sep 29 06:50
XRevan86	msb_: That's a good ideology.	Sep 29 06:51
cubexyz	mostly I've looking at LKM	Sep 29 06:51
cubexyz	and device drivers	Sep 29 06:52
msb_	XRevan86: It is if it doesn't cost 2/3 of your computer's speed.	Sep 29 06:52
XRevan86	although a bit expensive	Sep 29 06:52
cubexyz	I wanted to understand radeonfb	Sep 29 06:52
cubexyz	that's a work in progress	Sep 29 06:52
msb_	XRevan86: What's expensive?	Sep 29 06:53
XRevan86	msb_: FSF-certified laptops, for instance.	Sep 29 06:53
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XRevan86	msb_: And so I'll stick to my proprietary InsydeH2O junk %).	Sep 29 06:54
cubexyz	there's a UK company called minifree that will install libreboot but it is expensive	Sep 29 06:56
cubexyz	gluglug -> minifree	Sep 29 06:56
cubexyz	they changed the name	Sep 29 06:56
msb_	ASUS equipment has always worked great for me. I've used several of their mobos. Very reliable.	Sep 29 06:57
msb_	cubexyz: is libreboot the same as coreboot? How much do they charge?	Sep 29 06:57
cubexyz	libreboot is coreboot without any binary blobs	Sep 29 06:57
XRevan86	msb_: libreboot is coreboot without firmwares.	Sep 29 06:57
cubexyz	200 pounds	Sep 29 06:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Dropbox Alternatives for Linux Users	Sep 29 06:58
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XRevan86	libreboot is linux-libre of coreboot	Sep 29 06:58
msb_	cubexyz: To instal on _any_ mobo?	Sep 29 06:58
cubexyz	no	Sep 29 06:58
msb_	and fully utilize it?	Sep 29 06:58
XRevan86	http://minifree.org/product/libreboot-installation-service	Sep 29 06:58
cubexyz	only certain models of thinkpads	Sep 29 06:59
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XRevan86	> The following libreboot-compatible systems are a part of this service	Sep 29 06:59
cubexyz	at least it helps fun libreboot	Sep 29 07:00
cubexyz	fund	Sep 29 07:00
msb_	Well, my work yesterday wasn't wasted. I'm sure gonna get one.	Sep 29 07:00
msb_	No more nicing down firefox when I want to watch an x265.	Sep 29 07:01
cubexyz	X60/T60 is the cheapest option	Sep 29 07:01
cubexyz	of course one can do the work themselves and save $$$	Sep 29 07:02
msb_	What, put a socket under the BIOS chip?	Sep 29 07:02
msb_	Actually, lots of BIOSes are flashable these days, so you don't have to do that. If coreboot will run on it.	Sep 29 07:04
XRevan86	> If coreboot will run on it	Sep 29 07:04
XRevan86	and it probably won't	Sep 29 07:04
cubexyz	it's when something gets botched up you need to remove the chip	Sep 29 07:05
cubexyz	and use an external programmer	Sep 29 07:05
cubexyz	infared doesn't work, other than that it works on X60	Sep 29 07:06
msb_	I think systemd is much more likely to be used for govt intrusion than an ASUS bios.	Sep 29 07:07
msb_	cubexyz: Do you mean ultraviolet?	Sep 29 07:07
cubexyz	minifree is also selling a wifi adapter to replace the non-free intel one	Sep 29 07:07
XRevan86	I think systemd is much-much less likely to be used for govt intrusion than AMI/Insyde/Phoenix BIOS.	Sep 29 07:08
cubexyz	msb_, no infared, as in IRDA	Sep 29 07:08
cubexyz	hardly anyone uses it	Sep 29 07:08
cubexyz	but I've played around with it	Sep 29 07:08
cubexyz	it's not critical, but it's nice to have	Sep 29 07:09
cubexyz	I've reprogrammed a tv remote to do a few things on Linux	Sep 29 07:10
cubexyz	libreboot is based on coreboot, but they've taken things one step farther	Sep 29 07:11
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/libreboot-supported-hardware.txt	Sep 29 07:13
cubexyz	very strict	Sep 29 07:15
XRevan86	http://www.coreboot.org/Supported_Motherboards this list is a bit bigger	Sep 29 07:15
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XRevan86	That's the up-side of coreboot being non-libre.	Sep 29 07:16
cubexyz	I think the X60 used a PLCC so you can pull the chip out with a special tool	Sep 29 07:19
cubexyz	better to have an extra chip and external programmer to be safe	Sep 29 07:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Git 2.6 Is a Massive Release with Dozens of New	Sep 29 08:39
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cubexyz	the binary blob firmware could include remote management and monitoring features	Sep 29 09:09
cubexyz	Intel has mucked things up with Intel Boot Guard	Sep 29 09:09
cubexyz	so coreboot can't support it	Sep 29 09:10
cubexyz	new thinkpads are locked out	Sep 29 09:10
cubexyz	boiling frog...	Sep 29 09:11
cubexyz	the PC manufacturer fuses their public key into the hardware	Sep 29 09:12
cubexyz	UEFI firmware not signed by the OEM... the computer will refuse to boot	Sep 29 09:12
msb_	" We have twelve PLUTO-class atomic-powered cruise missiles pointed at that thing, day and night, as many megatons as the entire Minuteman force. In principle, we will be able to blast it to pieces before it can be brought to full wakefulness and eat the minds of everyone within two hundred miles.''	Sep 29 09:13
cubexyz	so msb_ you are right about Intel	Sep 29 09:14
msb_	-- A Colder War -- Charles Stross	Sep 29 09:14
cubexyz	they aren't good	Sep 29 09:14
msb_	How so?	Sep 29 09:14
cubexyz	and they are getting worse, see above	Sep 29 09:14
cubexyz	with Intel Boot Guard you can't change to coreboot no matter how hard you try	Sep 29 09:14
msb_	Because of something in the cpu itself?	Sep 29 09:15
cubexyz	I think so	Sep 29 09:15
cubexyz	in the hardware for sure	Sep 29 09:16
msb_	So AMD is better.	Sep 29 09:16
cubexyz	or old Intel	Sep 29 09:16
msb_	Remember when AMD 386's had faster	Sep 29 09:16
msb_	FPUs?	Sep 29 09:16
msb_	Old is slow.	Sep 29 09:17
cubexyz	it's a mixed bag	Sep 29 09:17
cubexyz	AMD k6's overheated, so did some Athlons	Sep 29 09:17
cubexyz	msb_, there's no reason why one can't use an old computer for some things, as an auxiliary computer	Sep 29 09:18
cubexyz	just like I'm doing now with IRC	Sep 29 09:18
msb_	I only need one computer, and I want it fast. General purpose, right?	Sep 29 09:19
cubexyz	sure, I just think it's safe to have more than just one computer	Sep 29 09:20
cubexyz	in case one breaks	Sep 29 09:20
msb_	True. So you can use it to get parts for the main one.	Sep 29 09:20
cubexyz	exactly	Sep 29 09:20
msb_	Well, I'll keep my current one. Other than the keyboard and display, there's not much that can be used on the new one.	Sep 29 09:21
msb_	No more borrowing a neighbor's winblows laptop.	Sep 29 09:22
cubexyz	ugh, don't do that :)	Sep 29 09:22
msb_	better than nothing	Sep 29 09:22
cubexyz	I have a stack of broken laptops	Sep 29 09:23
cubexyz	most of them are donations from customers	Sep 29 09:23
cubexyz	none of them have a good design	Sep 29 09:24
cubexyz	GPUs destroyed by heat	Sep 29 09:24
cubexyz	or fans stop working	Sep 29 09:24
msb_	You're more of a purist than I am. I'll even use skype if that's all the other person has. BTW it's working again.	Sep 29 09:28
msb_	Just hold up a cross in front of me and shout, "Back Satan!"	Sep 29 09:29
msb_	The power of Christ compels me!	Sep 29 09:29
cubexyz	I'm not sure what to tell people to buy for laptops these days	Sep 29 09:30
cubexyz	for myself, I'll continue to fix the old laptops	Sep 29 09:30
msb_	Didn't there used to be a really good Japanese brand?	Sep 29 09:31
cubexyz	sure	Sep 29 09:31
cubexyz	Panasonic Toughbook	Sep 29 09:31
msb_	Before that.	Sep 29 09:31
cubexyz	Toshiba maybe	Sep 29 09:32
msb_	I think that was it.	Sep 29 09:32
msb_	Had lots of RAM and disk capacity for the time.	Sep 29 09:32
cubexyz	any particular model# ?	Sep 29 09:33
msb_	I was speccing one out for a friend. Cost a couple of grand.	Sep 29 09:33
cubexyz	Sharp had one of the earliest laptops	Sep 29 09:33
msb_	Too long to remember.	Sep 29 09:34
cubexyz	display was 80x8 though :)	Sep 29 09:34
cubexyz	n//	Sep 29 09:34
cubexyz	oops	Sep 29 09:34
cubexyz	Toshiba was the first company to put a hard drive into a laptop	Sep 29 09:35
cubexyz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toshiba_T1200	Sep 29 09:37
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msb_	This is a great story. Colonel Ollie North and Fawn Hall are fighting the Russians who are using Cthi	Sep 29 09:38
msb_	This is a great story. Colonel Ollie North and Fawn Hall are fighting the Russians who are using Cthulhu creatures as weapons -- Shoggoths and maybe Cthulhu himself.	Sep 29 09:38
msb_	The US is using those nuclear-powered ramjet planes I mentioned recently -- Project Pluto.	Sep 29 09:39
cubexyz	some of the old 386 Toshiba's go for more than much newer computers	Sep 29 09:41
MinceR	"In Call of Cthulhu, it's possible (if your investigators are insanely brilliant and cunning) to hit Cthulhu with a nuclear weapon. The game has rules for what happens when you do this. What are the rules? Cthulhu regenerates about 15 minutes later... but now he's radioactive. "	Sep 29 09:50
MinceR	http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BrokeYourArmPunchingOutCthulhu	Sep 29 09:50
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cubexyz	I had to install xchm to look at some of the BIOS docs	Sep 29 09:52
cubexyz	ls	Sep 29 09:52
cubexyz	warning to all:	Sep 29 09:53
cubexyz	BIOS is gummed up with lots of Microsoft crap	Sep 29 09:54
cubexyz	when you look at the docs there's a big pic of NDA Required at the top	Sep 29 09:54
cubexyz	I'm surprised there isn't a frowning Big Brother as well	Sep 29 09:55
cubexyz	all hypothetically speaking you understand :)	Sep 29 09:55
cubexyz	anyways, that's why things are in a bad state	Sep 29 09:57
cubexyz	Microsoft has the BIOS writers by the balls	Sep 29 09:58
cubexyz	I'm sure no one is surprised	Sep 29 09:58
MinceR	well, TianoCore and UEFI itself is chock full of m$-isms despite allegedly coming from intel	Sep 29 09:59
cubexyz	Intel used their own tools at the very beginning of the life of the IBM PC	Sep 29 10:01
cubexyz	but soon after that they switched to Microsoft tools to write BIOS	Sep 29 10:01
cubexyz	but yes, UEFI formats mirror Microsoft Windows	Sep 29 10:02
cubexyz	essentially almost all computers are designed to be windows computers	Sep 29 10:02
MinceR	and AMD can't be arsed to publish free GPU drivers	Sep 29 10:02
cubexyz	also you can use hh.exe with wine	Sep 29 10:04
cubexyz	if there's rendering problems with xchm	Sep 29 10:04
cubexyz	34 years and we still don't have an ideal PC	Sep 29 10:06
MinceR	seems we're drifting further from it	Sep 29 10:06
MinceR	as for chm, that's m$ garbage	Sep 29 10:06
MinceR	if it can't be rendered accurately, too bad	Sep 29 10:06
cubexyz	MinceR, I definitely remember compiling xserver-sorg-video-radeon	Sep 29 10:07
cubexyz	xserver-xorg-video-radeon	Sep 29 10:07
MinceR	what about the kernel part?	Sep 29 10:07
MinceR	also, can that do 3d?	Sep 29 10:07
cubexyz	yes	Sep 29 10:07
cubexyz	my notes on on another computer which isn't working at the moment	Sep 29 10:08
cubexyz	s/on/are/	Sep 29 10:08
MinceR	also, why is almost nobody making AMD laptops?	Sep 29 10:09
cubexyz	most likely Intel is cutting exclusionary deals with OEMs	Sep 29 10:09
cubexyz	AMD even skipped chromebooks	Sep 29 10:14
cubexyz	they went windows 10	Sep 29 10:14
cubexyz	hardly a good situation	Sep 29 10:14
cubexyz	HP covered both bases	Sep 29 10:15
cubexyz	they made a windows 10 laptop and several models of chromebooks	Sep 29 10:15
cubexyz	the OEMs on the chromebook side are Samsung, ASUS, Toshiba, Acer, Lenovo, Dell and HP	Sep 29 10:16
cubexyz	hurray, Dell finally did something good	Sep 29 10:17
MinceR	they died?	Sep 29 10:19
cubexyz	:)	Sep 29 10:20
cubexyz	MinceR, you just don't like any company it seems	Sep 29 10:20
MinceR	that's not true	Sep 29 10:21
MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/Z3CJdDE.jpg	Sep 29 10:33
MinceR	though it's true that several companies i used to like gave me plenty of reasons to hate them	Sep 29 10:34
MinceR	like redcrap	Sep 29 10:34
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MinceR	http://ateistamembazis.hu/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/2186-1506.jpg	Sep 29 13:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why there will never be a year of the Linux	Sep 29 13:16
TweetTuxMachines	desktop http://t.co/FPRJrg2yh0	Sep 29 13:16
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 29 13:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines VectorLinux Light Has That Old-School Linux	Sep 29 13:16
TweetTuxMachines	Feeling http://t.co/JSiQrNTakE	Sep 29 13:16
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 29 13:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Young, the Gifted & the Linux Proficient	Sep 29 13:16
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cubexyz	I hated windows, so I can't agree with SJVN on this point	Sep 29 13:18
cubexyz	it was awful right from the first time I used it	Sep 29 13:19
MinceR	what did he say?	Sep 29 13:19
cubexyz	and screw zdnet	Sep 29 13:19
cubexyz	"Why there will never be a year of the Linux desktop"	Sep 29 13:19
cubexyz	zdnet blows	Sep 29 13:19
MinceR	there already were several	Sep 29 13:20
MinceR	what i'd like to know is when there will be a year of the windows desktop and a year of the macos desktop	Sep 29 13:20
MinceR	when will they fix the glaring flaws that make their GUIs almost unusable	Sep 29 13:20
cubexyz	was there a year of the Sun workstation? it's a silly trope	Sep 29 13:20
cubexyz	he's basically saying that the desktop will disappear, or diminish greatly	Sep 29 13:22
cubexyz	but I don't agree with that	Sep 29 13:22
MinceR	well, it might disappear	Sep 29 13:23
MinceR	along with the rest of IT	Sep 29 13:23
MinceR	since it's being killed off	Sep 29 13:23
MinceR	and it will of course take the rest of our tech, science and society with it	Sep 29 13:23
cubexyz	you're describing a collapse of civilization	Sep 29 13:24
cubexyz	ok, well assuming that doesn't happen people will need a real computer	Sep 29 13:25
MinceR	well yes	Sep 29 13:25
MinceR	our civilization won't survive without IT	Sep 29 13:25
MinceR	but does that stop the fascists that are trying to kill IT? of course not.	Sep 29 13:25
cubexyz	Award and American Megatrends both used Microsoft tools to write their BIOSes	Sep 29 13:30
cubexyz	probably Masm 6.12 for this era I'm looking at which is from 1999	Sep 29 13:31
cubexyz	ha, I'm very close, it was MASM611 in says in the comments	Sep 29 13:32
cubexyz	valuable info	Sep 29 13:32
cubexyz	soon I'll know if there's any funny business in there	Sep 29 13:34
cubexyz	I'm expecting there isn't but you never know	Sep 29 13:34
cubexyz	some parts were written for Masm 5.10	Sep 29 13:35
cubexyz	they are from 1995	Sep 29 13:36
cubexyz	the 2011 code just looks so complex	Sep 29 13:40
cubexyz	pretty sure the BIOS code from 1999 has no TCP/IP stack	Sep 29 13:41
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cubexyz	Intel/i810	Sep 29 13:44
r_schestowitz	Snowden joins Twitter and follows the NSA	Sep 29 13:49
r_schestowitz	http://bigstory.ap.org/article/6a46950ab68349c6a67f0f519e85ed38/snowden-joins-twitter-and-follows-nsa#overlay-context=	Sep 29 13:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bigstory.ap.org \| Snowden joins Twitter and follows the NSA [ http://ur1.ca/nvoqx ]		Sep 29 13:49
cubexyz	ha, Snowden works a Dell... NSA later on hacks Dell Servers	Sep 29 13:51
cubexyz	works at Dell	Sep 29 13:51
r_schestowitz	worked there before	Sep 29 13:56
r_schestowitz	as a sysadmin or something	Sep 29 13:56
r_schestowitz	!google snowden worked dell	Sep 29 13:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Edward Snowden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia \| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden	Sep 29 13:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Snowden downloaded NSA secrets while working for Dell, sources ... \| http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/15/usa-security-snowden-dell-idUSL2N0GF11220130815	Sep 29 13:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Edward Snowden: The Untold Story \| WIRED \| http://www.wired.com/2014/08/edward-snowden/	Sep 29 13:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - An NSA Coworker Remembers The Real Edward Snowden: 'A ... \| http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/12/16/an-nsa-coworker-remembers-the-real-edward-snowden-a-genius-among-geniuses/	Sep 29 13:56
r_schestowitz	cubexyz: I studied his history closely since he came out to the media	Sep 29 13:59
r_schestowitz	He's hard to discredit	Sep 29 13:59
r_schestowitz	esp. after he decided to turn against the former employer in a big way	Sep 29 13:59
r_schestowitz	Assange is easy to discredit from many angles	Sep 29 13:59
r_schestowitz	inc. personal life	Sep 29 14:00
r_schestowitz	[15:34] <MinceR> like redcrap	Sep 29 14:00
r_schestowitz	Nee villain in town?	Sep 29 14:00
r_schestowitz	What has Red Hat done wrong other than lennux and SELinux/NSA?	Sep 29 14:01
r_schestowitz	It's Canonical that plays ball with MS more these days	Sep 29 14:01
cubexyz	they kowtowed to Microsoft too	Sep 29 14:01
r_schestowitz	Except a few examples where they do diss Vista 10	Sep 29 14:01
cubexyz	paying for secure boot keys	Sep 29 14:01
r_schestowitz	cubexyz: not as much as some companies like Novell and Canonical	Sep 29 14:01
r_schestowitz	Red Hat collabs on virt with MSFT	Sep 29 14:01
r_schestowitz	But little beuond that	Sep 29 14:01
r_schestowitz	They also hired some virt people from MSFT	Sep 29 14:02
r_schestowitz	Ah, SHIM...	Sep 29 14:02
r_schestowitz	Right, UEFI	Sep 29 14:02
cubexyz	don't people realize I don't want secure boot?	Sep 29 14:02
r_schestowitz	That's from the time Garrett was in Fedora	Sep 29 14:02
r_schestowitz	Red Hat	Sep 29 14:02
cubexyz	I just don't want it	Sep 29 14:02
r_schestowitz	used to work for Canonical too	Sep 29 14:02
cubexyz	no one is going to make a Plan 9 key	Sep 29 14:02
r_schestowitz	Debian, GNOME, later some virt/sec company...	Sep 29 14:03
r_schestowitz	cubexyz: well, it's a big issue	Sep 29 14:03
r_schestowitz	I'm still active in opposing it	Sep 29 14:03
r_schestowitz	I met someone from Intel last week	Sep 29 14:03
cubexyz	they aren't just going to lock out Linux you know	Sep 29 14:03
r_schestowitz	even wore their shirt as a joke	Sep 29 14:03
cubexyz	all alternative OSes will be locked out	Sep 29 14:03
r_schestowitz	I think Intel is getting fed up with Microsoft	Sep 29 14:03
r_schestowitz	But they want to do to Linux what IBM does	Sep 29 14:03
r_schestowitz	TPM and all that, DRM too	Sep 29 14:04
r_schestowitz	They also lobby for software patents	Sep 29 14:04
r_schestowitz	UEFI is a patent trap	Sep 29 14:04
cubexyz	where is Snowden now?	Sep 29 14:05
cubexyz	I guess he's still in Russia	Sep 29 14:05
cubexyz	Intel has gone off the rails	Sep 29 14:07
cubexyz	but that is generally true about computers	Sep 29 14:07
r_schestowitz	Snowden is dais to be in Moscow	Sep 29 14:10
r_schestowitz	Unless he was discreetly relocated for his safety or whatever	Sep 29 14:10
r_schestowitz	Intel still makes chips for other companies in its factories, so it's not quite dead yet	Sep 29 14:10
r_schestowitz	TVH, if Intel statrted to work harder on FOSS drivers, open designs, not DRM, UEFI etc. (just FOSS/Linux), it would make them not _necessarily_ worth a death	Sep 29 14:11
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MinceR	200049 < r_schestowitz> Nee villain in town?	Sep 29 14:15
MinceR	indeed	Sep 29 14:16
MinceR	lendows wasn't bad enough?	Sep 29 14:16
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r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/648765007359016960?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email	Sep 29 14:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Yeah, that's why he has managed to survive several bankruptcies.		Sep 29 14:18
r_schestowitz	Sounds like Lindows	Sep 29 14:18
r_schestowitz	re vv <MinceR> lendows wasn't bad enough?	Sep 29 14:19
MinceR	oh, and promoting uefi, of course	Sep 29 14:19
MinceR	lendows is a portmanteau of lennart and windows	Sep 29 14:20
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/645005924264906753?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email	Sep 29 14:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz except my university which is using huge amounts of Windows machines. With select people getting Apple pc		Sep 29 14:21
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/645006315132076032?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=26fb02c48c166adc42f797002ebd4cf20270e7ac&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=c6ad0a3950cf442cbef302ea56889133&autoactions=1442616464&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267	Sep 29 14:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz I think they use a version of Linux for some server activities, but that's it. I'm only student using Linux actively it seems		Sep 29 14:21
cubexyz	MinceR is right, computers are getting a bit worse for the user	Sep 29 14:24
cubexyz	it's getting harder to write FOSS firmware, not easier	Sep 29 14:24
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/644474956529729536?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=c91bf03ee177f3eccaa6637cf2effa10ed16f492&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=342e187fb2704dce9a5aea602986651d&autoactions=1442489778&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267	Sep 29 14:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz EPO leadership out of control: now SUEPO has even had to remove a link to Heise, Germany's most-read IT news site		Sep 29 14:24
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/644474956529729536?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=c91bf03ee177f3eccaa6637cf2effa10ed16f492&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=342e187fb2704dce9a5aea602986651d&autoactions=1442489778&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267	Sep 29 14:24
r_schestowitz	https://twitter.com/avl7771/status/644477325585838080?cn=cmVwbHk%3D&refsrc=email https://twitter.com/avl7771/status/644478515589550080?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=2e2243befc1b5f1b9238eb517e96789175d3cdd3&al=1&refsrc=email&iid=cd02f30e6a5a445ba8cc07a1ccff9663&autoactions=1442490626&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267 https://twitter.com/SurfEasyInc/status/644493470237917184?t=1&cn=bWVudGlvbg%3D%3D&sig=7fc3319c41b082bb77b10849b6a6961ee202fb2e&al=1&	Sep 29 14:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@avl7771: @schestowitz This is about a separate product that Opera recently acquired (@SurfEasyInc VPN), not about the browser. There's no demoting.		Sep 29 14:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@avl7771: @schestowitz And on Mac and Windows, Opera doesn't "come with" @SurfEasyInc VPN, it just promotes it with a link to download and install it.		Sep 29 14:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SurfEasyInc: @avl7771 @schestowitz Hi guys. We're happy to answer any questions you have about our service! We're thrilled to be part of the Opera family		Sep 29 14:28
r_schestowitz	refsrc=email&iid=0d5c62c03b6244229ddeaa01283f886b&autoactions=1442494192&uid=26603208&nid=4+1267	Sep 29 14:28
cubexyz	Intel promised to open source the Tiano BIOS under the CPL	Sep 29 14:32
cubexyz	BUT!	Sep 29 14:32
MinceR	it will still be a horribly bloated piece of shit	Sep 29 14:32
cubexyz	there's a firmwire chip that refuses to boot your custom BIOS if you change anything	Sep 29 14:32
MinceR	which treats m$ "technology" preferentially	Sep 29 14:32
MinceR	right, intel boot guard	Sep 29 14:32
cubexyz	1998 era, I've done it... I've flash my own firmware on Gigabyte GA-6BXC	Sep 29 14:41
cubexyz	of course it's old but that gives one the time period where it was still possible to do custom firmware	Sep 29 14:42
cubexyz	no microsoft tools were needed	Sep 29 14:42
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/bootsplash.jpg	Sep 29 14:45
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msb_	MinceR: That's a great cartoon about psychopath Islamics being afraid of a pig. I wonder if pig juice or blood could be used to fight ISIL?	Sep 29 16:24
cubexyz	I must admit to being a bit confused by that cartoon	Sep 29 16:24
cubexyz	I guess muslims are afraid of pigs?	Sep 29 16:25
XRevan86	msb_: It can't. Islam has exceptions to dogmas.	Sep 29 16:25
msb_	Moslems are programmed to be extremely averse to pork.	Sep 29 16:25
cubexyz	ok, I didn't know that	Sep 29 16:25
XRevan86	for survival muslim can even eat a pig	Sep 29 16:25
msb_	I remember some scifi story about muslims being fought by showering the Kaaba Stone with pig juice.	Sep 29 16:28
msb_	Well, the Russians will be using bullets.	Sep 29 16:28
msb_	in Syria	Sep 29 16:28
msb_	Hi-tech attack helicopters and missiles. Hard to hide in the desert.	Sep 29 16:30
msb_	ISIL will no doubt hide among civilians. They are monsters. US-supported monsters.	Sep 29 16:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Reach out and touch a desktop	Sep 29 17:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ASUS ZenWatch 2 review http://t.co/IHhQXBowKk	Sep 29 17:11
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 29 17:11
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MinceR	msb_: only if it's recognizable as such	Sep 29 17:33
MinceR	btw, the old testament bans the consumption of pig	Sep 29 17:34
MinceR	s/pig/pork/	Sep 29 17:34
MinceR	i wonder what christians did to that	Sep 29 17:34
msb_	MinceR: Bacon grease (liquified for spraying) would be recognizable, and hard to remove. re Xtians, I have no idea.	Sep 29 17:43
MinceR	:)	Sep 29 17:43
MinceR	though i suspect they'd invent an exemption if this was used against them regularly	Sep 29 17:43
MinceR	by revelation :>	Sep 29 17:44
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cubexyz	they did give some consideration to SCO Unix in the BIOS of this era	Sep 29 17:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hands-on: the Pixel C is a great Android tablet	Sep 29 18:04
TweetTuxMachines	that costs a great deal of money	Sep 29 18:04
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/L12DApGn5Y (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 29 18:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Run Linux Destop Sessions In A Web Browser With	Sep 29 18:04
TweetTuxMachines	Icebergs http://t.co/AesB9pYSX8	Sep 29 18:04
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cubexyz	you may be interested to hear that AMI did test their BIOS with Redhat Linux	Sep 29 18:06
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MinceR	apparently the ban on pork was kind of revoked in NT: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/eat.html	Sep 29 18:19
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cubexyz	aha	Sep 29 18:32
cubexyz	print screen is supported by my BIOS	Sep 29 18:34
cubexyz	funny the things you can learn after 15 years	Sep 29 18:35
MinceR	:)	Sep 29 18:37
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cubexyz	also the sensors seem to be at odds with the BIOS	Sep 29 18:43
cubexyz	sys temp and cpu temp are transposed	Sep 29 18:43
cubexyz	I assume the BIOS is right	Sep 29 18:43
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cubexyz	also one doesn't get all the info on one page since the screen scrolls in the BIOS menu	Sep 29 18:46
msb_	" Did I ever put you in an unsafe situation? All the time. Then you should be used to it!	Sep 29 18:52
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msb_	Did I ever put you in an unsafe situation? All the time. Then you should be used to it!	Sep 29 18:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Coming soon... Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2	Sep 29 19:36
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvr56	Sep 29 19:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Review: Silent Circle Blackphone 2 Sub Title:	Sep 29 19:36
TweetTuxMachines	Privacy Please http://t.co/D26VN5O7qQ	Sep 29 19:36
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TweetTuxMachines	Pulverenti http://t.co/IuoEum9TFI	Sep 29 19:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Developer Proposes a Method for	Sep 29 19:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines These are the 7 best new features of Android	Sep 29 19:36
TweetTuxMachines	Marshmallow http://t.co/ZT57xUazYp	Sep 29 19:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BQ Ubuntu "Convergent" Phone Launch Slips into	Sep 29 19:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Next Ubuntu Touch OTA Update to Enter Feature	Sep 29 19:36
TweetTuxMachines	Freeze http://t.co/v8zK6aSHCE	Sep 29 19:36
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schestowitz	"I prefer #stumpwm to any other WM myself."	Sep 29 20:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Longtime Linux developer on new tech and new	Sep 29 21:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Snappy Core 15.04 Image Released for	Sep 29 21:02
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TweetTuxMachines	Ever Be Touch-Ready? http://t.co/E6UUIIEhk0	Sep 29 21:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Pivotal goes after Oracle and 'the traditional	Sep 29 21:03
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TweetTuxMachines	community http://t.co/S7EUStmIMt	Sep 29 21:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Doors opening for open source data	Sep 29 21:38
TweetTuxMachines	visualization tools http://t.co/aKzrmiLjE0	Sep 29 21:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Palau may be tiny but apparently Paluans love	Sep 29 21:38
TweetTuxMachines	GNU/Linux." http://t.co/oKm3TPmFwY	Sep 29 21:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat Upgraded http://t.co/sCoZl65o5Y	Sep 29 23:53
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Next Ubuntu Touch OTA Update to Enter Feature	Sep 30 04:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google's Android mobile software piles on more	Sep 30 04:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hands-on: the Pixel C is a great Android tablet	Sep 30 04:21
TweetTuxMachines	that costs a great deal of money	Sep 30 04:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Run Linux Destop Sessions In A Web Browser With	Sep 30 04:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Review: Silent Circle Blackphone 2 Sub Title:	Sep 30 04:21
TweetTuxMachines	Privacy Please http://t.co/Nmg6pzMBer	Sep 30 04:21
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*TweetTuxMachines @morububuruq favourited 'Review: Silent Circle Blackphone 2 Sub Title: Privacy...'		Sep 30 04:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Developer Proposes a Method for	Sep 30 04:24
TweetTuxMachines	Detecting Native Ubuntu Touch Apps	Sep 30 04:24
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/yvwOrvGKmY (news.softpedia.com)	Sep 30 04:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines These are the 7 best new features of Android	Sep 30 04:26
TweetTuxMachines	Marshmallow http://t.co/hzl7gN5Tmo	Sep 30 04:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Longtime Linux developer on new tech and new	Sep 30 04:26
TweetTuxMachines	contributors https://t.co/HZ7k6gZUvj	Sep 30 04:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| LinuxCon Europe interview with Hans de Goede, Red Hat \| Opensource.com		Sep 30 04:26
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*TweetTuxMachines @Ubersomediaco favourited 'Alcatel built a 17-inch Android tablet for your...'		Sep 30 04:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Changes the Way It Updates Ubuntu	Sep 30 04:37
TweetTuxMachines	After Launch http://t.co/I3n0W1lekj	Sep 30 04:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Canonical Changes the Way It Updates Ubuntu After Launch - Softpedia		Sep 30 04:37
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Sep 30 04:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvumo	Sep 30 04:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME 3.18 Open-Source Linux Desktop Gets a	Sep 30 04:37
TweetTuxMachines	Makeover http://t.co/sjMtYWohGi (www.eweek.com)	Sep 30 04:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eweek.com \| GNOME 3.18 Open-Source Linux Desktop Gets a Makeover		Sep 30 04:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Open Source Interface Conundrum: Will Linux	Sep 30 05:16
TweetTuxMachines	Ever Be Touch-Ready? http://t.co/kzScHy47U6	Sep 30 05:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thevarguy.com \| The Open Source Interface Conundrum: Will Linux Ever Be Touch-Ready? \| Open Source Application Software Companies content from The VAR Guy		Sep 30 05:16
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvuvr	Sep 30 05:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tizen Developer Summit 2015: Keynote, Panel	Sep 30 05:16
TweetTuxMachines	Talk and Technical Sessions	Sep 30 05:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com \| [Video] Tizen Developer Summit 2015: Keynote, Panel Talk and Technical Sessions - Tizen Experts		Sep 30 05:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The release video of Gothenburg	Sep 30 05:16
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/h44QcJttOQ (blogs.gnome.org)	Sep 30 05:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hello from Fedora 23! http://t.co/7gx1V7piwN	Sep 30 06:19
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TweetTuxMachines	(ankursinha.in) "upgraded not one, not two, not	Sep 30 06:19
TweetTuxMachines	three, but four of my Fedora systems"	Sep 30 06:19
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvv9p	Sep 30 06:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Multi-boot stick update: TAILS 1.6, SysresCD	Sep 30 06:19
TweetTuxMachines	4.6.0, GParted 0.23, Debian 8.2	Sep 30 06:19
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ZaR9DJAKlD (www.preining.info)	Sep 30 06:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.preining.info \| Multi-boot stick update: TAILS 1.6, SysresCD 4.6.0, GParted 0.23, Debian 8.2 \| There and back again		Sep 30 06:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines [Developer] Wow, Developer Mode now available	Sep 30 06:20
TweetTuxMachines	on Samsung Smart Tizen TVs	Sep 30 06:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/VdNThbC7xq (www.tizenexperts.com)	Sep 30 06:20
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com \| [Developer] Wow, Developer Mode now available on Samsung Smart Tizen TVs - Tizen Experts		Sep 30 06:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Humble Indie Bundle 15 Brings a Ton of Linux	Sep 30 06:26
TweetTuxMachines	Games Including Skullgirls	Sep 30 06:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 'Alien: Isolation - The Collection' Launching	Sep 30 06:26
TweetTuxMachines	Sept. 29 For Linux http://t.co/1eVKCbq8dG	Sep 30 06:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux PC for $9 http://t.co/ZGzMXmYlYV	Sep 30 06:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The @LinuxFoundation Says You Should Install	Sep 30 06:37
TweetTuxMachines	Linux on Your #Chromebook	Sep 30 06:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Patches Two Linux Kernel	Sep 30 07:02
TweetTuxMachines	Vulnerabilities in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS	Sep 30 07:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Jotun Is a Beautifully Crafted Adventure Game	Sep 30 07:02
TweetTuxMachines	for Linux	Sep 30 07:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Alien: Isolation on Linux requires 4GB of RAM,	Sep 30 07:02
TweetTuxMachines	35GB HDD space http://t.co/CxSIPcr9kE	Sep 30 07:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How Would Software Freedom Have Helped With VW?	Sep 30 07:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Security Leftovers http://t.co/RuJmASanYM	Sep 30 07:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Linux Foundation Says You Should Install	Sep 30 07:03
TweetTuxMachines	Linux on Your Chromebook http://t.co/ZCgviAqeVs	Sep 30 07:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Gaming Keeps Getting Better	Sep 30 07:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Gaming Keeps Getting Better \| Tux Machines		Sep 30 07:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines #microsoft ‘loves’ #linux so much that it	Sep 30 07:36
TweetTuxMachines	continues to extort it using #patents	Sep 30 07:36
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/uX0nniPeTU (www.zdnet.com) #swpats	Sep 30 07:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Microsoft signs updated Android, Linux patent pact with I-O Data \| ZDNet		Sep 30 07:36
TweetTuxMachines	#racketeering #ricoact	Sep 30 07:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A look at Calamares: A distribution-independent	Sep 30 07:36
TweetTuxMachines	system installer http://t.co/x5fngHTsKf	Sep 30 07:36
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxbsdos.com)	Sep 30 07:36
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxbsdos.com \| Calamares: A distribution-independent system installer \| LinuxBSDos.com		Sep 30 07:36
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/649180917261537280	Sep 30 07:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @FreiheitExpert, I wonder if I'm the only person I know who turns the location transmitter in devices off & on?		Sep 30 07:48
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dawnbazely/status/649188220241059840	Sep 30 07:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dawnbazely: @FreiheitExpert, that doesn't sound good. Do you follow @schestowitz? I have learned a lot from his tweets.		Sep 30 07:49
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/649188750900264960	Sep 30 07:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Zeipt: А вот это серьезно по небезопасности отпечатков пальцев. https://t.co/V2A5aVDiGG		Sep 30 07:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Hackers Prove Fingerprints Are Not Secure, Now What? http://t.co/3eOJ4sXPlv #security #biometrics		Sep 30 07:49
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DaemonFC	I'm on my Chromebook. My desktop computer is somewhere in this mess. We're living in John's efficiency apartment for a few days while they get a much bigger one ready.	Sep 30 07:50
DaemonFC	MinceR: I took the two kittens we had left to the SPCA to get their shots and deworming and to get them spayed. They'll be up for adoption soon.	Sep 30 07:51
DaemonFC	I gave them temporary names on the forms so that I could see where they end up going for adoption.	Sep 30 07:51
DaemonFC	I named them Rose and River. :)	Sep 30 07:52
MinceR	:)	Sep 30 07:52
DaemonFC	Jabba (my cat) and Leeloo (John's cat. He let me name her a few months ago.) are not getting along very well.	Sep 30 07:53
DaemonFC	We've been alternating them between the main living area and the walk-in closet and bathroom area.	Sep 30 07:53
DaemonFC	Every time they see each other they hiss and growl.	Sep 30 07:53
DaemonFC	I guess that'll go on for a while until they get used to the fact that they're both here now.	Sep 30 07:54
DaemonFC	The lady at the SPCA said that they wouldn't hurt each other, but I've been too afraid to just let them have it out.	Sep 30 07:54
schestowitz	Hi DaemonFC	Sep 30 07:54
DaemonFC	When we get the bigger apartment, I'll let them hiss and growl and run away from each other like she said they would.	Sep 30 07:54
DaemonFC	Hi! :)	Sep 30 07:55
schestowitz	Who is John?	Sep 30 07:55
DaemonFC	boyfriend	Sep 30 07:55
schestowitz	Madame harmon\s latest bf?	Sep 30 07:55
DaemonFC	No, mine.	Sep 30 07:55
schestowitz	Ah, OK	Sep 30 07:55
schestowitz	I thought maybe Gonad the Barbarian II	Sep 30 07:55
schestowitz	With his viagra stash	Sep 30 07:55
DaemonFC	I told John that we can get Leeloo spayed next month when the Hope For Animals place can get her in.	Sep 30 07:56
DaemonFC	Jabba's fixed, so there won't be any Jabbaloo kittens running around.	Sep 30 07:56
DaemonFC	LMAO	Sep 30 07:56
DaemonFC	schestowitz: Yeah, that happened already.	Sep 30 07:56
schestowitz	spayed, eh/	Sep 30 07:56
schestowitz	So you're not "pro lifer"	Sep 30 07:56
DaemonFC	Dave. They're still not divorced yet.	Sep 30 07:56
schestowitz	Or maybe that applies not to non-human animals in the US...	Sep 30 07:56
DaemonFC	schestowitz: She was pregnant when we found her.	Sep 30 07:57
schestowitz	"baby killer!"	Sep 30 07:57
DaemonFC	So we took care of the five kittens she had. We found people to adopt three of them directly, but the last two went to the SPCA. They'll be up for adoption at Petsmart most likely.	Sep 30 07:57
DaemonFC	schestowitz: I don't think that there's anything wrong with getting a cat neutered or spayed so that it won't produce any more kittens.	Sep 30 07:58
DaemonFC	There's too many roaming the streets as it is. They're not in any danger of going extinct.	Sep 30 07:58
msb_	DaemonFC: The two cats that don't like each other -- are their claws trimmed?	Sep 30 07:59
DaemonFC	Jabba was declawed before I got him.	Sep 30 07:59
DaemonFC	We're not getting Leeloo declawed.	Sep 30 07:59
DaemonFC	I read up on it, and I think it should be illegal to get a cat declawed,	Sep 30 07:59
DaemonFC	It is in 37 countries, but not in the US, except for 8 cities.	Sep 30 08:00
DaemonFC	The operation is dangerous and it can cause more problems for you and the cat than it solves.	Sep 30 08:00
DaemonFC	It's better to get them a scratching post and encourage them to use that.	Sep 30 08:00
DaemonFC	I like cats, but they reproduce like crazy if you don't get that taken care of.	Sep 30 08:02
DaemonFC	A breeding pair of cats can result in 480,000 kittens in just 7 years.	Sep 30 08:02
DaemonFC	Nature is harsh, so it encourages reproducing in huge numbers so that some will live on to have offspring themselves.	Sep 30 08:03
msb_	I said claws _trimmed_, not declawed. Get a wire-stripper like this: http://learning.hccs.edu/faculty/khansaa.almansor1/cett1321/wiring-2/wiring-1/wire-stripper/image	Sep 30 08:03
DaemonFC	In nature, humans only live 35 or 40 years. That's why I crack up when people say they want to "go back to nature".	Sep 30 08:03
MinceR	religion poisons everything >> http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/next-door-to-delhi-mob-kills-50-year-old-injures-son-over-rumours-they-ate-beef/	Sep 30 08:04
DaemonFC	Modern living has doubled our life expectancy. I wonder how many people really want to give that up.	Sep 30 08:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-indianexpress.com \| Dadri: Mob kills man, injures son over ‘rumours’ that they ate beef \| The Indian Express [ http://ur1.ca/nvvym ]		Sep 30 08:04
msb_	Adjust the screw so it can close completely. Then press on the cat's toe so the claw emerges, and place the tip of the claw -- the clear part only, not containing blood vessels -- in the triangular notches of the wirestripper and close it. That cuts the claw from 4 sides so it doesn't split.	Sep 30 08:05
msb_	Repeat for all front and back claws. Removing the sharp tip of the claw greatly decreases the amount of injury it can cause.	Sep 30 08:07
msb_	DaemonFC: some cats need wrapping in a towel and holding by another person to trim their claws. Some don't mind, especially if you only do a few claws at a time.	Sep 30 08:09
msb_	Of course, only indoor-only cats should have their claws trimmed.	Sep 30 08:10
msb_	DaemonFC: You can also have the vet grind off the very tips of the fangs of an indoor cat during neutering/spaying if it bites.	Sep 30 08:12
msb_	DaemonFC: Neither claw-trimming nor fang de-pointing detracts from the quality of life of an indoor-only cat in any way. They can still climb scratching-posts, chew meat, etc.	Sep 30 08:13
DaemonFC	She's a good cat.	Sep 30 08:13
DaemonFC	Very mild mannered.	Sep 30 08:13
DaemonFC	Yeah, I had to have a tooth resurfaced once. It worked out okay. I'd imagine it's about the same for a cat.	Sep 30 08:14
msb_	Please spread the word on the wire-stripper. All Radio Shacks have them for $5 or less, and they do a much better job than the claw trimmers from a pet store that only cut the claw from 2 sides instead of 4.	Sep 30 08:16
msb_	Those can painfully split the claw.	Sep 30 08:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Gaming Keeps Getting Better	Sep 30 08:18
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/sklPSPxyEX (fossforce.com)	Sep 30 08:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com \| Linux Gaming Keeps Getting Better \| FOSS Force		Sep 30 08:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New Chromecast devices target HDTVs and sound	Sep 30 08:18
TweetTuxMachines	systems http://t.co/6Re36Onlvu	Sep 30 08:18
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TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Sep 30 08:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Container Security with SELinux and CoreOS	Sep 30 08:18
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/WfnxpXw1E1 (linuxbsdos.com)	Sep 30 08:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nvw34	Sep 30 08:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxbsdos.com \| Container Security with SELinux and CoreOS \| LinuxBSDos.com		Sep 30 08:18
msb_	DaemonFC: Claw trimming only has to be done about once a week. It takes the cat that long to sharpen them up again on the scratching-post or carpet.	Sep 30 08:22
msb_	DaemonFC: Some cats enjoy being turned on their back on a bed and wrestling with your hand. That's much more fun for the person if the cat's claws can't wound them.	Sep 30 08:24
DaemonFC	yeah, leeloo got me the other day	Sep 30 08:25
DaemonFC	she didn't mean to	Sep 30 08:25
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/649196567962980352	Sep 30 08:25
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cubexyz	ok, I can make some remarks on why the firmware situation is so poor	Sep 30 08:27
cubexyz	first of all the BIOS writers, with the exception of Coreboot/Libreboot are using Microsoft programming tool to write the BIOS	Sep 30 08:29
cubexyz	Microsoft also added things to the PCI spec	Sep 30 08:29
cubexyz	the trend almost from the very beginning of the IBM PC was to use Microsoft programming tools	Sep 30 08:30
msb_	What things, and does the MS assembler write bad code?	Sep 30 08:30
cubexyz	Award was using different Masm versions, so was Intel/IBM	Sep 30 08:31
cubexyz	well it's bad in that it's highly proprietary closed source code	Sep 30 08:32
cubexyz	also some of the chips used in motherboards you have to sign an NDA to see the datasheets	Sep 30 08:33
cubexyz	and of course with secure boot/intel boot guard you couldn't even change the firmware if you wanted to	Sep 30 08:33
cubexyz	standard price to get the source code (and sign the NDA)?	Sep 30 08:34
cubexyz	at least $20K	Sep 30 08:34
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cubexyz	short story: Intel is using consumer lock-in tactics	Sep 30 08:43
cubexyz	basically you want at least a motherboard without secure boot/intel boot guard	Sep 30 08:45
cubexyz	ideally you want a motherboard with coreboot	Sep 30 08:45
msb_	Of course I'm not recommending that anyone use any ms product, but if someone uses masm, or even msc, it's silly to shun the resulting product. I think it's also silly to take a two-thirds speed decrease on your computer in order to avoid closed-source BIOS (although it may be safer to us an AMD than an Intel CPU).	Sep 30 08:45
cubexyz	well, I'm drawing a line here	Sep 30 08:47
msb_	Ideally, yes. But since I can get a mobo in which I can turn off secure-boot/boot-guard/UEFI, and get 3 times the MIPS speed as the fastest cheap one with coreboot, I want the speed.	Sep 30 08:47
cubexyz	we'll see if things get even worse in the future	Sep 30 08:47
cubexyz	msb_, I'm getting closer to a solution	Sep 30 08:48
msb_	A fast solution?	Sep 30 08:48
cubexyz	Tyan has quietly shipping some server motherboards with coreboot	Sep 30 08:48
cubexyz	they just didn't really talk about it	Sep 30 08:48
cubexyz	yes, fast and modern	Sep 30 08:49
cubexyz	but pricey	Sep 30 08:49
msb_	Hoo-hah! For 8-core AMD?	Sep 30 08:49
msb_	How pricey?	Sep 30 08:49
cubexyz	Don't know, but historically around $400 for server motherboard	Sep 30 08:50
msb_	Are they ATX?	Sep 30 08:50
cubexyz	yes	Sep 30 08:50
msb_	Tyan has been around for a long time. I guess they're good.	Sep 30 08:51
cubexyz	my 17 year old server has a tyan	Sep 30 08:51
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msb_	Do server mobos have full audio and lots of USB3 connections, i.e., user stuff?	Sep 30 08:53
cubexyz	I think you have to explicitly ask Tyan for coreboot firmware, otherwise you don't get it	Sep 30 08:53
cubexyz	good question	Sep 30 08:53
msb_	How is Intel using consumer lock-in tactics?	Sep 30 08:54
cubexyz	"Artec, Tyan Technexion and MSI ship coreboot for _specific systems_ on request"	Sep 30 08:54
cubexyz	I hear you can't change the CPU on some motherboards	Sep 30 08:55
cubexyz	CPU is fused to the motherboard	Sep 30 08:55
MinceR	i think i have at least 2 of those	Sep 30 08:55
MinceR	VIA EPIA and some Shuttle Atom-based bare-bones	Sep 30 08:56
cubexyz	I'm contacting Tyan about this now	Sep 30 08:57
msb_	That doesn't lock the consumer into using an Intel CPU. You can't use an AMD CPU on a mobo meant for Intel anyhow. It just saves the cost of a ZIF socket.	Sep 30 08:58
msb_	Actually it might _cost_ Intel money, because with a socket, the user might buy another, faster Intel CPU.	Sep 30 08:59
cubexyz	call it planned obsolescence then	Sep 30 09:00
msb_	cubexyz: Please ask Tyan if they have a user-type mobo (with audio, USB, etc) for an AMD FX-8350, with coreboot.	Sep 30 09:02
cubexyz	I will, but I can't get through their web portal at the moment :-/	Sep 30 09:02
msb_	Seems like the whole Net has slowed down the past couple of weeks.	Sep 30 09:04
cubexyz	you can get tyan motherboards with and without integrated audio	Sep 30 09:07
cubexyz	with AMD Opteron 1300 series	Sep 30 09:08
msb_	It's nice to have the standard ATX audio panel on the back (if the onboard audio chip is Linux compatible), and also nice to have lots of USB3 connections.	Sep 30 09:09
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msb_	opteron 1300s are slow -- passmark 2600. FX8350 is 8976	Sep 30 09:15
msb_	Searchable speed/price chart: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php	Sep 30 09:16
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msb_	cubexyz: Do the Tyan coreboots have binary blobs for some of the chips?	Sep 30 09:23
cubexyz	don't know	Sep 30 09:23
cubexyz	It's been a long time since I've really looked closely at tyan	Sep 30 09:24
msb_	If they do, isn't that just as bad, because Evil (from the Eighth Dimension) could be hiding in them?	Sep 30 09:24
cubexyz	it's "evil" in that you don't know what it's doing	Sep 30 09:28
cubexyz	annoying is a better word in most cases	Sep 30 09:28
cubexyz	e.g. secret protocols are annoying	Sep 30 09:29
cubexyz	it takes a lot of time figuring them out	Sep 30 09:29
cubexyz	sometimes it's not as critical... for example the VGA BIOS	Sep 30 09:30
cubexyz	I know roughly what it's doing without completely understanding it	Sep 30 09:30
cubexyz	so it's a matter of trying to understand the computer as much as possible	Sep 30 09:30
msb_	You can _see_ what that's doing.	Sep 30 09:30
cubexyz	I can't see what my ethernet card is doing unless I'm monitoring it	Sep 30 09:32
cubexyz	most of the traffic is invisible	Sep 30 09:32
cubexyz	I do have a screen just for that but it's just too much info to look at	Sep 30 09:33
cubexyz	what is the frame buffer doing? I only have a vague idea	Sep 30 09:34
msb_	Consider the disk controller BIOS. To ascertain that it's controlling the disk drives properly, would take a huge amount of work and knowledge even if you have the source code. But it probably is OK, because if it weren't it would cause errors, and they'd fix it. But if there's a secret section in there that looks for the phrase :"The King is a fink", and reports you to the govt if it finds that in a file, then you want the source	Sep 30 09:35
msb_	code.	Sep 30 09:35
cubexyz	I can't really reset the framebuffer in openbsd as yet	Sep 30 09:36
DaemonFC	A guy walks into the doctor's office. Says, "Well doc, I've got a problem with hemorrhoids. What should I use to get rid of them?" The doctor says, "Gasoline.". The patient gives the doctor a look and asks "Are you sure about that?". The doctor says, "Of course. Everyone knows you can get 500 piles a gallon!".	Sep 30 09:37
cubexyz	if the text console borks up in openbsd I have two choices	Sep 30 09:38
cubexyz	I can use a serial port login	Sep 30 09:39
cubexyz	or ssh	Sep 30 09:39
cubexyz	but I would still like to be able to reset the text console	Sep 30 09:39
cubexyz	so far, I haven't figured it out	Sep 30 09:39
msb_	"stty sane" doesn't do it?	Sep 30 09:41
cubexyz	under certain conditions the entire screen blanks out	Sep 30 09:42
cubexyz	it's still processing the keyboard though	Sep 30 09:42
msb_	stty sane can still work even if you can't see it echo	Sep 30 09:42
msb_	Of course you have to have the stty command available.	Sep 30 09:46
cubexyz	I just logined in, screen is blank and I can't see anything	Sep 30 09:47
msb_	great, try stty sane	Sep 30 09:47
cubexyz	but I am in on ttyC5, I can see it in who	Sep 30 09:47
cubexyz	doesn't work	Sep 30 09:47
msb_	rats	Sep 30 09:47
cubexyz	things are borked up at a lower level	Sep 30 09:48
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msb_	Well you have the source code. 8^) Can you run gdb?	Sep 30 09:50
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cubexyz	in linux I did figure this out	Sep 30 09:52
cubexyz	LKM framebuffer trumps the kernel frame buffer, or at least will give you a visible screen	Sep 30 09:53
cubexyz	but no LKM in openbsd of course	Sep 30 09:53
msb_	loadable ken	Sep 30 09:54
msb_	loadable kernel module?	Sep 30 09:55
cubexyz	yes	Sep 30 09:55
msb_	bsd doesn't have those???	Sep 30 09:55
MinceR	openbsd doesn't	Sep 30 09:55
MinceR	nobody used it so they removed the feature	Sep 30 09:55
MinceR	i'm told a full kernel image is 10MB anyway	Sep 30 09:56
MinceR	btw, i wonder which OS-es (if any) can swap out parts of the kernel	Sep 30 09:56
cubexyz	actually they did, but it was removed	Sep 30 09:56
cubexyz	but I never really learned how to use it	Sep 30 09:56
cubexyz	Minix has almost everything in userland but my last minix experiment did not go well	Sep 30 09:57
msb_	Do people actually use Minix?	Sep 30 09:59
cubexyz	sure, I know one person who uses it for sure :)	Sep 30 09:59
MinceR	Tanenbaum? :>	Sep 30 10:00
msb_	Yeah, the author.	Sep 30 10:00
cubexyz	I don't know if openbsd has anything like radeonfb	Sep 30 10:01
cubexyz	it must have a vesa framebuffer at least	Sep 30 10:02
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cubexyz	ok, I won't try that again	Sep 30 10:04
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cubexyz	having no openbsd peeps to talk to is slowing me down	Sep 30 11:15
MinceR	why not find an openbsd channel?	Sep 30 11:16
cubexyz	it's invite only	Sep 30 11:16
cubexyz	oh wait, I guess it's not	Sep 30 11:16
cubexyz	it's been a while since I tried	Sep 30 11:16
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cubexyz	msb_, check this out:	Sep 30 11:56
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msb_	cubexyz: Sorry fell asleep. Wow, that is horrible! Exactly the kind of thing you are concerned about! All the owner's data deleted with a single command!	Sep 30 13:05
cubexyz	just another example of user unfriendly computers	Sep 30 13:07
cubexyz	HP, Dell, Lenovo, Toshiba, Gateway, ASUS... that covers a lot of territory	Sep 30 13:08
cubexyz	and Panasonic!	Sep 30 13:08
msb_	The article is from July 30, 2009!!! Most of the laptops made in the last SIX YEARS have this!	Sep 30 13:09
cubexyz	the article says 60% but I have no idea if that's right	Sep 30 13:10
cubexyz	it's the phone home part that worries me the most	Sep 30 13:11
cubexyz	it has to check to see if the computer is stolen periodically	Sep 30 13:11
cubexyz	but it may require windows to work, I don't know	Sep 30 13:12
cubexyz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LoJack_for_Laptops	Sep 30 13:13
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cubexyz	I have HP and Panasonic laptops	Sep 30 13:14
cubexyz	I'm concerned about being locked out of my own computer	Sep 30 13:15
msb_	The phone-home URL and other parameters are stored in the winblows registry!	Sep 30 13:20
cubexyz	right, I don't think it can phone home in Linux	Sep 30 13:20
msb_	There are probably more portable computers now than desktops.	Sep 30 13:20
MinceR	there are certainly more mobile phones than desktops and laptops together	Sep 30 13:21
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cubexyz	if it's in the bios I should be able to find it	Sep 30 13:21
cubexyz	it seems easily defeated... just boot into Linux from a CD or something	Sep 30 13:23
cubexyz	seems like it wouldn't be too effective against a tech savvy thief	Sep 30 13:24
msb_	Suppose the US govt does something really horrible like blow up an A-bomb in the US and blame it on Russia -- certainly within the realm of possibility, the US govt readily murders a million people in a single invasion. And researchers find the evidence that the US did it, and people are spreading the word on the Net. The govt can kill most of the computers that people are using to talk about this.	Sep 30 13:25
cubexyz	rpcnet.exe can be persistent on windows	Sep 30 13:26
msb_	Doesn't Linux use the BIOS when it boots?	Sep 30 13:26
cubexyz	sure	Sep 30 13:26
cubexyz	ram initialization must occur before anything else	Sep 30 13:26
cubexyz	there's a bunch of things it has to do before hitting the hard drive	Sep 30 13:27
msb_	So booting into Linux from a CD might not defeat the malware.	Sep 30 13:28
cubexyz	Lojack has two parts	Sep 30 13:28
cubexyz	part lives in the BIOS, part lives in windows	Sep 30 13:28
cubexyz	I think it needs both parts to phone home	Sep 30 13:28
msb_	It works in Macs and Androids too.	Sep 30 13:28
msb_	And by now they may have put both parts in the BIOS.	Sep 30 13:30
cubexyz	possible	Sep 30 13:30
msb_	Scan your bios for the string lojack, case insensitive.	Sep 30 13:31
cubexyz	that's a bit tricky	Sep 30 13:32
cubexyz	most BIOSes are compressed	Sep 30 13:32
cubexyz	obviously it's not in coreboot	Sep 30 13:33
cubexyz	I compiled it myself	Sep 30 13:33
msb_	Here's a C program that prints all printable characters and ignores any non-printable ones:	Sep 30 13:33
msb_	#include <stdio.h>	Sep 30 13:35
msb_	#include <stdlib.h>	Sep 30 13:35
msb_	int main(void)	Sep 30 13:35
msb_	{	Sep 30 13:35
msb_	int ch;	Sep 30 13:35
msb_	while(1)	Sep 30 13:35
msb_	{	Sep 30 13:35
msb_	if ((ch = fgetc(stdin)) == EOF)	Sep 30 13:35
msb_	exit(0);	Sep 30 13:35
msb_	else	Sep 30 13:35
msb_	if (ch >= ' ' && ch < 127)	Sep 30 13:35
msb_	printf("%c", ch);	Sep 30 13:35
msb_	}	Sep 30 13:35
msb_	}	Sep 30 13:35
msb_	So run that on the bios and then grep -i the output for lojack. Their vanity may have led them to put it in there in the clear.	Sep 30 13:37
msb_	That'	Sep 30 13:39
cubexyz	hmmm, it looks like you have to pay an extra $125 to get Lojack on Panasonic Toughbook	Sep 30 13:40
msb_	That's an extremely sophisticated program that I wrote for analyzing konsole temp files, which have about 10 non-printables between every text character.	Sep 30 13:40
cubexyz	what's the non-printable characters for?	Sep 30 13:40
msb_	I didn't try to find out. Formatting, I guess.	Sep 30 13:41
msb_	Remember how on some IBM mainframes you'd pay them half a million dollars for a speed increase and a tech would come in and just move a jumper? The whole lojack may be in there, and they may just change a byte when you pay the $125.	Sep 30 13:43
msb_	Much easier for inventory tracking.	Sep 30 13:43
cubexyz	AMI might ship the BIOS to the OEM then the OEM would add the lojack part	Sep 30 13:44
cubexyz	then it wouldn't turn up in the source	Sep 30 13:44
msb_	What's the diff? We don't get to see the AMI source anyhow.	Sep 30 13:45
cubexyz	ha	Sep 30 13:45
cubexyz	it's around	Sep 30 13:45
cubexyz	the Russians even have it on the web	Sep 30 13:46
msb_	No matter how paranoid you are, you're not paranoid enough. Tell the truth. Reach as many people as you can with it -- that's your weapon.	Sep 30 13:48
msb_	-- Susanne Modeski, "Unusual Suspects", _X-Files_	Sep 30 13:48
msb_	I guess XRevan86 is right to be worried about spyware in the BIOS. He likes systemd but I'll bet it'll be in there too if it isn't already. "Paranoia is just a form of heightened awareness."	Sep 30 13:53
msb_	Our whole mainstream culture is built around the insectoid psychopath channel in the human mind -- the religions, the economic system, the government, the educational system, the commercial media.	Sep 30 13:56
cubexyz	he's right... it's there sometimes	Sep 30 13:57
MinceR	i wouldn't blame insects for thos	Sep 30 13:57
MinceR	s/hos/his/	Sep 30 13:57
cubexyz	lojack is in the BIOS some of the time	Sep 30 13:57
MinceR	i think all the blame lies on humans	Sep 30 13:57
msb_	The US govt blows up the tallest buildings in New York and blames it on Arabs, so it can murder millions of them. The US govt has its Ukrainian Nazi proxies shoot down an airliner with 300 people on board and blames Russia.	Sep 30 13:58
msb_	MinceR: I'm not blaming insects, I'm saying that the psychopath channel in the human brain is like insectoids in scifi -- no feelings, no empathy.	Sep 30 13:59
MinceR	http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37580-2004Jul8.html	Sep 30 13:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com \| Putin's Kremlin Asserting More Control of Economy (washingtonpost.com) [ http://ur1.ca/nvyoh ]		Sep 30 13:59
MinceR	feelings are not necessarily good	Sep 30 14:00
MinceR	there's plenty of feeling in religious hatred	Sep 30 14:00
msb_	I meant positive feelings.	Sep 30 14:01
schestowitz	[13:04] <MinceR> religion poisons everything >> http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/next-door-to-delhi-mob-kills-50-year-old-injures-son-over-rumours-they-ate-beef/	Sep 30 14:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-indianexpress.com \| Dadri: Mob kills man, injures son over ‘rumours’ that they ate beef \| The Indian Express [ http://ur1.ca/nvvym ]		Sep 30 14:01
schestowitz	"Pro-life" (of cows)	Sep 30 14:01
msb_	Except Wicca religion is a good thing.	Sep 30 14:01
cubexyz	the NSA uses SMM (System Management Mode) to hack in	Sep 30 14:03
msb_	cubexyz: " lojack is in the BIOS some of the time". Did you find it in there?	Sep 30 14:03
cubexyz	haven't found it but I don't have all the BIOSes	Sep 30 14:04
msb_	Do you have a laptop made in the last six years?	Sep 30 14:04
cubexyz	just going by what panasonic has on their toughbook web page	Sep 30 14:04
cubexyz	yes, but it's an Acer	Sep 30 14:04
cubexyz	the other new one is a chromebook, probably it's OK	Sep 30 14:05
msb_	Well, check the Acer.	Sep 30 14:05
cubexyz	SMM is in Cedar Trail... so there's no question about it	Sep 30 14:06
msb_	Please	Sep 30 14:06
msb_	Do AMD CPUs have SMM?	Sep 30 14:06
cubexyz	yes, SMM has been around for a long time	Sep 30 14:07
cubexyz	it's also been called ring -2	Sep 30 14:09
cubexyz	normal execution of the operating system is suspended and special software is executed with high privileges	Sep 30 14:09
cubexyz	AMD copied SMM from Intel	Sep 30 14:10
cubexyz	some of it is innocuous	Sep 30 14:11
cubexyz	turning on fans etc	Sep 30 14:11
cubexyz	coreboot has an open source SMM handler	Sep 30 14:12
cubexyz	so you can check out exactly what it does	Sep 30 14:12
cubexyz	there's some pretty funky stuff it can do	Sep 30 14:14
cubexyz	flash write protected?	Sep 30 14:14
cubexyz	no problem, SMM can un-write protect it	Sep 30 14:14
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cubexyz	basically SMM has the most privileged CPU mode	Sep 30 14:16
cubexyz	ok, here's the kicker....	Sep 30 14:16
cubexyz	there's System Management RAM (SMRAM)	Sep 30 14:17
cubexyz	operating system can't read it	Sep 30 14:17
cubexyz	only SMM can	Sep 30 14:17
cubexyz	still think you own your computer? :)	Sep 30 14:18
cubexyz	ask the vendor about it .... they'll tell you next to nothing	Sep 30 14:19
msb_	Oops, grep does not find particular strings in a stream of characters. Or it returns the whole stream if it does and its memory isn't exceeded.	Sep 30 14:21
cubexyz	stuff like DEITYBOUNCE is used by the NSA to install malicious SMI handlers	Sep 30 14:25
cubexyz	they can't hack everything of course	Sep 30 14:26
cubexyz	too many different BIOSes	Sep 30 14:26
cubexyz	but they are clever	Sep 30 14:26
cubexyz	I hear they use the PCI expansion ROM to hide code	Sep 30 14:27
cubexyz	with windows it's totally hopeless, the NSA can get in	Sep 30 14:30
cubexyz	for all I know Microsoft borks windows up on purpose to help sell more computers	Sep 30 14:31
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/nsa-ant-catalog.pdf	Sep 30 14:40
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/your-move-nsa.jpg	Sep 30 14:44
cubexyz	declassify on 2032... thanks NSA!	Sep 30 14:46
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Sosumi	lol	Sep 30 14:59
Sosumi	http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/09/nerves-rattled-by-highly-suspicious-windows-update-delivered-worldwide/	Sep 30 14:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Nerves rattled by highly suspicious Windows Update delivered worldwide \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/nvyyz ]		Sep 30 14:59
XRevan86	> MacBook + OS X	Sep 30 14:59
XRevan86	> Your move, NSA	Sep 30 14:59
XRevan86	right	Sep 30 14:59
Sosumi	that is why auto-update without description are a major no no	Sep 30 14:59
cubexyz	totally protected!	Sep 30 14:59
cubexyz	computers are really a mess these days	Sep 30 15:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation Study: Open Source	Sep 30 15:33
TweetTuxMachines	Collaborative Code is Worth $5B	Sep 30 15:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android now has 1.4bn active users, 300m on	Sep 30 15:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google’s Marshmallow Treats Now on Tap	Sep 30 15:34
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msb_	Windows update? Same thing with systemd. Poettering puts out a source code blob update that works normally, but has an NSA backdoor cleverly hidden in it. How many distro admins are going to read through all of that source code and figure out that with a particular stack overflow some binary code gets executed?	Sep 30 15:42
msb_	Lennix users won't have a clue until the NSA sends through some malware that hits their SMM and bricks their computer.	Sep 30 15:43
msb_	All Windows computers are knocked out much more easily.	Sep 30 15:45
msb_	And then we'll have only corporate TV and radio to find out what's going on in the world. The same ones that are lying through their teeth 24 hours a day right now.	Sep 30 15:48
msb_	"Yes it was Russia that blew up that A-bomb inside the US, just like it was a Russian missile that shot down MH-17."	Sep 30 15:50
msb_	"And just like it was Arabs that knocked down the World Trade Center. The Great Democratic United States must kill them all! For Democracy!"	Sep 30 15:53
msb_	And then the Earth takes its place in the Fermi Paradox.	Sep 30 15:55
msb_	OMG, I'm channeling MinceR!	Sep 30 15:56
Sosumi	msb_, give it a break	Sep 30 15:56
msb_	Sosumi: Sure Sosumi, the sudden revelation that most of the computers in the world can be bricked by the US government isn't worthy of logical speculation about what could happen. Nope. No reality allowed here.	Sep 30 16:00
msb_	Keep it simple. swpats are bad. That's it. Shut up.]	Sep 30 16:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Calculate Linux 15 released	Sep 30 16:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora vs. openSUSE vs. Manjaro vs. Debian vs.	Sep 30 16:22
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu vs. Mint Linux Benchmarks	Sep 30 16:22
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MinceR	https://archive.is/O43oo	Sep 30 16:39
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schestowitz	msb_: how the ******** did you move from discussing Windows Update to Russia, Ukraine, and US?	Sep 30 17:20
schestowitz	try to keep the topic on tech	Sep 30 17:20
schestowitz	(at least in this channel)	Sep 30 17:21
msb_	schestowitz: It was simple extrapolation from the US govt's ability to brick almost every computer in existence, which we learned today that it has, to what it might do with that ability, given its actions since 2001. People benefit from thinking about the future. It empowers them.	Sep 30 17:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME 3.18 lands with Google Drive, integrated	Sep 30 18:10
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cubexyz	it's good to be aware of things like lojack and bios firmware attacks	Sep 30 18:19
cubexyz	UEFI is even easier to attack than the old BIOS	Sep 30 18:26
cubexyz	easier for attackers to target the new UEFI rather than the old BIOS	Sep 30 18:27
cubexyz	more code sharing and reuse with UEFI	Sep 30 18:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Learning Linux - Lesson Two: How a GNU/Linux OS	Sep 30 18:30
TweetTuxMachines	Works http://t.co/9seRLvGArI	Sep 30 18:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux AIO Team Releases an All-in-One ISO Image	Sep 30 18:30
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schestowitz	Some AD fixes are mentioned in:	Sep 30 18:41
schestowitz	https://www.samba.org/samba/history/samba-4.3.0.html	Sep 30 18:41
schestowitz	Upgrade is possible directly from any 4.* branch:	Sep 30 18:41
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schestowitz	http://www.spinics.net/lists/samba/msg128390.html	Sep 30 18:41
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cubexyz	I've a test that should work on most systems to see if your BIOS has been tampered with	Sep 30 18:51
cubexyz	you'll need the coreboot program nvramtool	Sep 30 18:52
cubexyz	first dump your bios:	Sep 30 18:52
cubexyz	sudo nvramtool -b bios.rom	Sep 30 18:52
cubexyz	then	Sep 30 18:52
cubexyz	md5sum bios.rom	Sep 30 18:52
cubexyz	write down the number and file it	Sep 30 18:52
schestowitz	"The Knowledge Consistency Checker (KCC) maintains a replication graph for DCs across an AD network. The existing Samba KCC uses a fully connected graph, so that each DC replicates from all the others, which does not scale well with large networks." https://www.samba.org/samba/history/samba-4.3.0.html	Sep 30 18:55
msb_	cubexyz: That will only tell if the BIOS gets tampered with in the future, not if it has already been, right?	Sep 30 19:26
cubexyz	you could download the bios file from the vendor and compare them	Sep 30 19:27
gde33\|2	I hardly ever botherd browsing the .onion web but now that the "real" web is soh fucking bad I'm totally amazed by it...	Sep 30 19:28
gde33\|2	there is like html documents with text on them	Sep 30 19:28
gde33\|2	and search that finds stuff	Sep 30 19:28
msb_	gde33\|2: I don't understand what you're saying. How do I find the .onion web? There are billions of documents with text on them in the regular Web, and google finds the easily.	Sep 30 19:35
gde33\|2	the normal web has 20 mb pages with like 5 kb text	Sep 30 19:36
gde33\|2	crufty advertisement all over	Sep 30 19:36
gde33\|2	everything is profit oriented	Sep 30 19:36
cubexyz	that is true	Sep 30 19:36
gde33\|2	I mean TOR .onion	Sep 30 19:36
gde33\|2	reading http://zqktlwi4fecvo6ri.onion/wiki/The_Matrix	Sep 30 19:37
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gde33\|2	its lovely	Sep 30 19:37
gde33\|2	works like this too https://zqktlwi4fecvo6ri.onion.cab/wiki/The_Matrix	Sep 30 19:38
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gde33\|2	humm bot shoud be able to resolve that?	Sep 30 19:38
gde33\|2	https://piratebrowser.com/	Sep 30 19:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://piratebrowser.com/ )		Sep 30 19:39
msb_	I use Adblock Plus and never see ads.	Sep 30 19:41
gde33\|2	msb_: think of it like in the difference between windos and linux users MS has all the trolls	Sep 30 19:43
gde33\|2	its just different	Sep 30 19:43
msb_	gde33\|2: I don't know what you mean.	Sep 30 19:44
gde33\|2	each topic, each product, it all attracts a specific kind of people	Sep 30 19:44
gde33\|2	like the people in ##capitalism are very different from those here	Sep 30 19:44
gde33\|2	you use to be able to see it better in the traffic statistics, MS has all the trolls	Sep 30 19:45
gde33\|2	hardly any troll who wasnt using IE	Sep 30 19:46
cubexyz	ha	Sep 30 19:46
gde33\|2	they also have the unwashed gamer community	Sep 30 19:46
cubexyz	you're only looking at the worst	Sep 30 19:46
msb_	gde33\|2: That onion page on the Matrix is anti-socialist.	Sep 30 19:47
gde33\|2	its just an opinion	Sep 30 19:47
gde33\|2	I read all kinds	Sep 30 19:48
cubexyz	msb_, I monitor certain files too	Sep 30 19:48
cubexyz	bash for one	Sep 30 19:48
msb_	Yes, it claims that capitalism is best, whereas capitalism leads to control of governments, media, and everything else by the wealthy so they can get richer. So it is a very harmful opinion.	Sep 30 19:48
gde33\|2	I cant blame people for the limited view society allows them to have, I'm happy if they just bother to think about stuff	Sep 30 19:49
msb_	So is the famous "dark web" we hear about just a bunch of websites without pictures, run by libertarian/objectivist assholes?	Sep 30 19:51
gde33\|2	haha no	Sep 30 19:51
gde33\|2	but I'm sure you will find those there	Sep 30 19:51
msb_	Then what in there is good?	Sep 30 19:51
gde33\|2	torrent sites are cool	Sep 30 19:52
cubexyz	dark web is probably a bit like torrents	Sep 30 19:52
cubexyz	hidden stuff (sort of)	Sep 30 19:52
gde33\|2	fuck you hosting is good	Sep 30 19:52
gde33\|2	free hosting + real onion domain	Sep 30 19:52
gde33\|2	with php wp and wiki etc	Sep 30 19:53
msb_	and certainly not run by the CIA	Sep 30 19:53
cubexyz	I'm my own host	Sep 30 19:53
msb_	A good friend of mine is my web host, and if my site goes down I'll just put it up somewhere else. On my home computer if need be.	Sep 30 19:55
msb_	gde33\|2: would you please show me something on the dark web that isn't on the wwweb?	Sep 30 19:58
msb_	Something good.	Sep 30 19:58
gde33\|2	http://answerstedhctbek.onion/	Sep 30 20:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Couldn't resolve host 'answerstedhctbek.onion' ( status 0 @ http://answerstedhctbek.onion/ )		Sep 30 20:00
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msb_	Look at these two sites for example. They have great stuff. http://www.globalresearch.ca/ http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/	Sep 30 20:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca \| Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization		Sep 30 20:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.paulcraigroberts.org \| Paul Craig Roberts - Official Homepage		Sep 30 20:02
cubezzz	:q!	Sep 30 20:03
cubezzz	oops	Sep 30 20:03
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msb_	gde33\|2: I get server not found	Sep 30 20:03
msb_	Looks like the bot does too.	Sep 30 20:04
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msb_	cubexyz: can you see that onion site?	Sep 30 20:04
gde33\|2	msb_: it isnt on the normal web	Sep 30 20:04
msb_	So how do I access it?	Sep 30 20:04
gde33\|2	with either an onion browser or a proxi like tor2web	Sep 30 20:05
gde33\|2	like http://answerstedhctbek.onion.cab	Sep 30 20:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-answerstedhctbek.onion.cab \| Hidden Answers		Sep 30 20:05
gde33\|2	or http://deepdot35wvmeyd5.onion.cab	Sep 30 20:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 500 @ https://deepdot35wvmeyd5.onion.cab/ )		Sep 30 20:05
gde33\|2	here .cab is the tld rather than .onion	Sep 30 20:05
gde33\|2	I think things are not nesasarly accessable from a normal browser	Sep 30 20:06
gde33\|2	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.onion	Sep 30 20:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| .onion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Sep 30 20:06
gde33\|2	.onion is a special-use top level domain suffix designating an anonymous hidden service reachable via the Tor network. Such addresses are not actual DNS names, and the .onion TLD is not in the Internet DNS root, but with the appropriate proxy software installed, Internet programs such as web browsers can access sites with .onion addresses by sending the request through the network of Tor servers.	Sep 30 20:07
cubezzz	MinceR, which nicks have ops?	Sep 30 20:08
cubezzz	I can't remember	Sep 30 20:08
cubezzz	oh well he's probably asleep	Sep 30 20:09
cubezzz	if any remembers pm me	Sep 30 20:09
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msb_	The "answers" page is interesting. One person wants "snuff" material. I'm surprised they're not asking for "kiddy porn".	Sep 30 20:18
*TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi favourited 'Learning Linux - Lesson Two: How a GNU/Linux...'		Sep 30 20:18
TweetTuxMachines	@RamiSilawi @tuxmachines Thanks for sharing that. You're	Sep 30 20:19
TweetTuxMachines	featured on my @RebelMouse	Sep 30 20:19
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Gb6V1dQPAF (www.rebelmouse.com)	Sep 30 20:19
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw1bp	Sep 30 20:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rebelmouse.com \| RamiSilawi		Sep 30 20:19
gde33\|2	msb_: that will get you banned on most sites, it is self policing	Sep 30 20:19
gde33\|2	just like piratebay has a huge team of mods deleting kiddy porn and gore all day	Sep 30 20:19
msb_	Well I have it on my site: http://cosmicpenguin.com/images/KittyPorn.jpg	Sep 30 20:21
gde33\|2	haha	Sep 30 20:24
gde33\|2	msb_: here specially for you I've created something awesome on the .onion thingy http://zqktlwi4fecvo6ri.onion.cab/wiki/Monetize_parenthood	Sep 30 20:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-zqktlwi4fecvo6ri.onion.cab \| NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/nw1d8 ]		Sep 30 20:24
*TweetTuxMachines @TechCraiz favourited 'Unity Linux Experimental Build now available, Supports Tizen...'		Sep 30 20:29
gde33\|2	msb_: great idea no?	Sep 30 20:30
msb_	What does "escrow" mean on the drug sites?	Sep 30 20:30
msb_	Not that I'd buy anything from someone anonymous. I live in california and can get medical cannabis delivered to my door!	Sep 30 20:32
gde33\|2	An escrow is something of value such as your earnest money check, or documents such as your purchase and sales agreement, that are given to an impartial third party to hold until specific conditions are met. When everything is finished — everybody paid and the deed recorded with the county, the escrow will close.	Sep 30 20:33
gde33\|2	if the drugs are no good they dont get money	Sep 30 20:34
gde33\|2	I like your questions tho, many ask those but the people behind the service (rather than the services onthere) are quite sophisticated	Sep 30 20:35
gde33\|2	https://www.ted.com/talks/jamie_bartlett_how_the_mysterious_dark_net_is_going_mainstream?language=en	Sep 30 20:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ted.com \| Jamie Bartlett: How the mysterious dark net is going mainstream \| TED Talk \| TED.com [ http://ur1.ca/nw1g2 ]		Sep 30 20:36
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gde33\|2	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va07q3HFEZQ	Sep 30 20:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| The dark web \| Alan Pearce \| TEDxBrighton - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nw1hl ]		Sep 30 20:41
msb_	BTW, there's a new TV series Limitless based on the excellent movie. You get a contact brain high by watching it! And it features Jennifer Carpenter who is very beautiful with big slanted eyes like a cat. Two episodes so far.	Sep 30 20:44
MinceR	cubexyz: /chanserv access #techrights list	Sep 30 20:45
MinceR	speaking of cat eyes, http://i.imgur.com/5dC0UdD.gifv	Sep 30 20:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com \| NO TITLE		Sep 30 20:45
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msb_	MinceR: Nice!	Sep 30 20:47
cubezzz	MinceR, I have a bit of a problem	Sep 30 20:47
cubezzz	I can't remember my password	Sep 30 20:47
MinceR	cubezzz: do you have access to the email account you registered with, if any?	Sep 30 20:48
gde33\|2	for freenode?	Sep 30 20:48
MinceR	if so, see /nickserv help sendpass	Sep 30 20:48
gde33\|2	:)	Sep 30 20:48
MinceR	access listing doesn't need being identified though	Sep 30 20:48
MinceR	on freenode	Sep 30 20:48
MinceR	usually anyway	Sep 30 20:48
MinceR	(or being on the access list)	Sep 30 20:48
msb_	I love this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uDX_LA8qgE	Sep 30 20:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Killer Vampire Cats - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/hbik3 ]		Sep 30 20:49
cubezzz	it says I have a password change key outstanding	Sep 30 20:49
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/toxicleaders/status/649385224317607936	Sep 30 20:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@toxicleaders: @schestowitz US Military Justice system is in urgent need of reform: https://t.co/CZXJPNsPUx		Sep 30 20:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> medium.com \| US Military Justice system is in urgent need of reform — Medium		Sep 30 20:49
MinceR	cubezzz: check your email	Sep 30 20:50
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msb_	As usual with youtube it misses most of the video. You have to download it and view the file.	Sep 30 20:52
cubezzz	MinceR, I know this is a pain but I don't see it	Sep 30 20:52
cubezzz	not sure which email address I used	Sep 30 20:52
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cubezzz	ok	Sep 30 21:11
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cubexyz	schestowitz, if you could change the op thing to cubexyz instead of cubezzz please	Sep 30 21:11
cubexyz	it seems I'm locked out of that nick	Sep 30 21:12
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-mquin-[Global Notice] On or around Friday, October 2nd we will be cleaning up the services database. Now's a good time to ensure you identify to services when connecting. Check out http://blog.freenode.net/2015/09/services-database-purge/		Sep 30 22:00
gde33\|2	cubexyz: how do we know it is really you? trololol	Sep 30 22:34
msb_	Suggest to him that the important thing in choosing a computer is the MIPS speed, and it doesn't matter what kind of BIOS it has. Then stand well back.	Sep 30 22:40
MinceR	lol	Sep 30 22:41
msb_	MinceR: Did you download and watch that Vampire Cat video?	Sep 30 22:46
MinceR	yes and no :>	Sep 30 22:47
*TweetTuxMachines @TechCraiz favourited 'Lubuntu 15.10 Beta 1 Still Doesn't Use LXQt,...'		Sep 30 23:06
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Industrial touch-panel runs Linux or Android on	Sep 30 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	i.MX6 http://t.co/Ty45MqLCMd	Sep 30 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 30 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/649420210408001537	Sep 30 23:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Industrial touch-panel runs Linux or Android on i.MX6 \| Tux Machines		Sep 30 23:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 24 Linux Operating System to Switch to	Sep 30 23:33
TweetTuxMachines	Python 3.5 by Default http://t.co/ujEgX2qN93	Sep 30 23:33
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 30 23:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Fedora 24 Linux Operating System to Switch to Python 3.5 by Default \| Tux Machines		Sep 30 23:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw2lx	Sep 30 23:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NixOS 15.09 Unique Distribution Released with	Sep 30 23:33
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Kernel 3.18 and GCC 4.9	Sep 30 23:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Xd4HoSUlzP (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 30 23:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw2ly	Sep 30 23:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| NixOS 15.09 Unique Distribution Released with Linux Kernel 3.18 and GCC 4.9 \| Tux Machines		Sep 30 23:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Type of Documentation Open Source Needs	Sep 30 23:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/VQdQxmrCWv (www.tuxmachines.org)	Sep 30 23:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw2lz	Sep 30 23:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Type of Documentation Open Source Needs \| Tux Machines		Sep 30 23:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Industrial touch-panel runs Linux or Android on	Oct 01 02:35
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by i.MX6 http://t.co/Ty45MqLCMd	Oct 01 02:35
TweetTuxMachines	@retroDoomer (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 01 02:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw3qi	Oct 01 02:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines PlayOnLinux Review - Playing Windows Games Was	Oct 01 02:54
TweetTuxMachines	Never Easier http://t.co/N4ad4pxabi	Oct 01 02:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.softpedia.com \| PlayOnLinux Review - Playing Windows Games Was Never Easier - Softpedia		Oct 01 02:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.softpedia.com)	Oct 01 02:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw3tw	Oct 01 02:54
*TweetTuxMachines @linuxaio favourited 'Linux AIO Team Releases an All-in-One ISO Image...'		Oct 01 02:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NVIDIA SHIELD Android TV OTA Update Improves	Oct 01 03:02
TweetTuxMachines	HTPC Credentials http://t.co/UNRSUbwpzB	Oct 01 03:03
TweetTuxMachines	(www.anandtech.com)	Oct 01 03:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.anandtech.com \| NVIDIA SHIELD Android TV OTA Update Improves HTPC Credentials		Oct 01 03:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw3vu	Oct 01 03:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 Might Get Linux Kernel 4.2.2	Oct 01 03:03
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/BOLLCZlyuk (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 01 03:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu 15.10 Might Get Linux Kernel 4.2.2 - Softpedia		Oct 01 03:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw3vv	Oct 01 03:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is Google's future in television in Chromecast,	Oct 01 03:03
TweetTuxMachines	or is it in Android TVs?	Oct 01 03:03
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/HbZWNhW3aj (www.theverge.com)	Oct 01 03:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw3vw	Oct 01 03:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com \| Is Google's future in television in Chromecast, or is it in Android TVs? \| The Verge		Oct 01 03:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android now has 1.4bn active users, 300m on	Oct 01 03:07
TweetTuxMachines	Lollipop http://t.co/eLcyAdgPZz (www.zdnet.com)	Oct 01 03:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Android now has 1.4bn active users, 300m on Lollipop \| ZDNet		Oct 01 03:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw3xc	Oct 01 03:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google’s Marshmallow Treats Now on Tap	Oct 01 03:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/t3qjJe49dv (www.linux.com)	Oct 01 03:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw3xd	Oct 01 03:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com \| Google’s Marshmallow Treats Now on Tap \| Linux.com		Oct 01 03:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Calculate Linux 15 released	Oct 01 03:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/A7ZjsNKUxv	Oct 01 03:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.calculate-linux.org)	Oct 01 03:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw3xe	Oct 01 03:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.calculate-linux.org \| Calculate Linux 15 released - Планета Calculate		Oct 01 03:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora vs. openSUSE vs. Manjaro vs. Debian vs.	Oct 01 03:13
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu vs. Mint Linux Benchmarks	Oct 01 03:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jmw4leJC84 (www.phoronix.com)	Oct 01 03:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw3z2	Oct 01 03:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Fedora vs. openSUSE vs. Manjaro vs. Debian vs. Ubuntu vs. Mint Linux Benchmarks - Phoronix		Oct 01 03:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME 3.18 lands with Google Drive, integrated	Oct 01 03:13
TweetTuxMachines	Linux firmware updates, new apps	Oct 01 03:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/hIqXER8GlA (www.pcworld.com)	Oct 01 03:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com \| GNOME 3.18 lands with Google Drive, integrated Linux firmware updates, new apps \| PCWorld		Oct 01 03:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw3z4	Oct 01 03:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Learning Linux - Lesson Two: How a GNU/Linux OS	Oct 01 03:13
TweetTuxMachines	Works http://t.co/S2RUa8hB2I	Oct 01 03:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Learning Linux - Lesson Two: How a GNU/Linux OS Works - Softpedia		Oct 01 03:13
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Oct 01 03:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw3z5	Oct 01 03:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux AIO Team Releases an All-in-One ISO Image	Oct 01 03:13
TweetTuxMachines	for Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS http://t.co/IMQPR8eva3	Oct 01 03:13
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Oct 01 03:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Linux AIO Team Releases an All-in-One ISO Image for Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS - Softpedia		Oct 01 03:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw3z6	Oct 01 03:13
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/649484630089793540	Oct 01 03:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz initial load time is stupidly high even on an i7. But pretty quick after that. I use a custom i3 wm setup now, blazingly quick		Oct 01 03:27
schestowitz	Yes, with all that #systemd startup speed hype (quick up to login), the overall startup time is very poor in KF5. Performance poor.	Oct 01 03:28
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/649487246949675008	Oct 01 03:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz Jesus dude. Drop the systemd hate already. KDE startup is completely separate to systemd. So stop taking ever op to hate on it		Oct 01 03:35
schestowitz	the processes are children of systemd	Oct 01 03:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/649488519971258368	Oct 01 03:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz fuck sakes "bro", get the hell over it. KDE load time is down to KDE, not how fast systemd can load. Even XFCE4 can load slowly		Oct 01 03:40
schestowitz	I need to do some proper profiling (if next release is this slow too) and find the culprits...	Oct 01 03:40
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/649489912371146753	Oct 01 03:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz good plan. But don't do so just to find justification to dump all over systemd. It's tiring, and we're better than that.		Oct 01 03:50
schestowitz	There are legitimate questions and doubt over systemd	Oct 01 03:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Industrial touch-panel runs Linux or Android on	Oct 01 04:02
TweetTuxMachines	i.MX6 http://t.co/4Dfqzheb60 (linuxgizmos.com)	Oct 01 04:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Industrial touch-panel runs Linux or Android on i.MX6 · LinuxGizmos.com		Oct 01 04:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw4be	Oct 01 04:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 24 Linux Operating System to Switch to	Oct 01 04:02
TweetTuxMachines	Python 3.5 by Default http://t.co/j6Z9ySGjCU	Oct 01 04:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Fedora 24 Linux Operating System to Switch to Python 3.5 by Default - Softpedia		Oct 01 04:02
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Oct 01 04:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw4bf	Oct 01 04:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NixOS 15.09 Unique Distribution Released with	Oct 01 04:02
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Kernel 3.18 and GCC 4.9	Oct 01 04:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/DyUkFshlOR (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 01 04:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| NixOS 15.09 Unique Distribution Released with Linux Kernel 3.18 and GCC 4.9 - Softpedia		Oct 01 04:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw4bg	Oct 01 04:02
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/649495247764873216	Oct 01 04:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz the only issue people seem to have is Lennart, and change.		Oct 01 04:30
*TweetTuxMachines @LibreCrypt favourited 'How To Install & Use TrueCrypt In Ubuntu...'		Oct 01 04:48
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MRtechlaw/status/649504480669663232	Oct 01 04:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MRtechlaw: @schestowitz Patent lawyers are sceptical about the #UPC - will it work and provide value for money? But it's happening politically anyway..		Oct 01 04:52
schestowitz	Money is not the main consideration here.	Oct 01 04:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Taurinus X200: Now the most 'Free Software'	Oct 01 04:52
TweetTuxMachines	laptop on the planet http://t.co/4EZO8sZFaB	Oct 01 04:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Taurinus X200: Now the most 'Free Software' laptop on the planet \| ZDNet		Oct 01 04:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.zdnet.com)	Oct 01 04:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw4nc	Oct 01 04:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines LG announces the first Android Wear smartwatch	Oct 01 04:52
TweetTuxMachines	with LTE http://t.co/GUVB0T64RH	Oct 01 04:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theverge.com)	Oct 01 04:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com \| LG announces the first Android Wear smartwatch with LTE \| The Verge		Oct 01 04:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw4nd	Oct 01 04:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why IBM thinks Linux, Spark are disruptive	Oct 01 04:53
TweetTuxMachines	technologies http://t.co/r0XzK1e5Fp	Oct 01 04:53
TweetTuxMachines	(siliconangle.com)	Oct 01 04:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-siliconangle.com \| Why IBM thinks Linux, Spark are disruptive technologies \| #BigDataNYC \| SiliconANGLE		Oct 01 04:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nw4nf	Oct 01 04:53
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/649493643385012224	Oct 01 04:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz There are no @EPOorg scandals. Scandal is scandal because public generally care.		Oct 01 04:53
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*TweetTuxMachines @JohnitoMusic favourited 'Taurinus X200: Now the most 'Free Software' laptop...'		Oct 01 05:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mozilla Releases Firefox 41.0.1 Hotfix to Patch	Oct 01 06:42
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines XOR DDoS Malware for Linux Attacks Have Been	Oct 01 06:43
TweetTuxMachines	Greatly Exaggerated http://t.co/p0wkYHY828	Oct 01 06:43
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msb_	"Nuclear Fusion is the energy source of the Future, and it always will be!"	Oct 01 07:00
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6652789	Oct 01 07:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The 'Microsoft Loves Linux' Baloney is Still	Oct 01 07:31
TweetTuxMachines	Being Floated in the Media While Microsoft	Oct 01 07:31
TweetTuxMachines	Attacks Linux With Patent...	Oct 01 07:31
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/649547962205499392	Oct 01 07:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz What about the patent truce MS signed with Google ???		Oct 01 07:36
schestowitz	Nonsense 'pact'; it attacks by proxy	Oct 01 07:36
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/649548194775494660	Oct 01 07:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: RT @schestowitz: #BlackDuck Continues to Pile #FUD on Free/Libre Software http://t.co/iHFA78cbZa one example of many http://t.co/uXkEJh4kyj		Oct 01 07:37
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/649548490083844096	Oct 01 07:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz Seems when they find a hair in Linux security, they go all Chicken Little... Oh, boy.		Oct 01 07:37
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/649547803157524480	Oct 01 07:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: RT @schestowitz: Winners at #war never the participants https://t.co/knx8xfy2ED		Oct 01 07:38
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/649548945002209280	Oct 01 07:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz My take: MS won't fight Goog, which can defend and attack. But will bully small firms (Tom Tom, B&N) and keep the racketeering		Oct 01 07:40
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AlexArchambault: De l'art de bien anticiper ce qui va devenir la règle avec iOS10 & suivants #https https://t.co/KZSm2WKwj3		Oct 01 07:54
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schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6653387	Oct 01 08:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #mozilla publishes #firefox and #thunderbird bugfix releases ttp://linux.softpedia.com/blog/mozilla-releases-firefox-41-0-1-hotfix-to-patch-five-critical-issues-update-now-493270.shtml http://news.softpedia.com/news/mozilla-thunderbird-38-3-0-improves-the-message-checking-functionality-fixes-bugs-493277.shtml		Oct 01 08:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mirantis 7 Fuels OpenStack Kilo With Liberty	Oct 01 08:52
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cubexyz	read about LightEater... it's an UEFI attack	Oct 01 09:00
cubexyz	so yes, knowing exactly what your computer does via datasheets and bios source code is invaluable	Oct 01 09:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today and Yesterday in Techrights	Oct 01 09:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How open source found me http://t.co/anwpAAqKNe	Oct 01 09:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Marketing by the Linux Foundation	Oct 01 09:04
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msb_	cubexyz: Thanks for mentioning LightEater. Damn, I so wanted those MilSpec capacitors and all those USB3 ports!	Oct 01 09:43
msb_	cubexyz: But even with Tyan and Coreboot, the BIOS still has binary blobs, right? Anything could be hidden in them.	Oct 01 09:45
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cubexyz	not quite	Oct 01 10:11
cubexyz	the VGABIOS is well understood and documented	Oct 01 10:11
cubexyz	we can dump the blobs and study them	Oct 01 10:11
cubexyz	my use of older computers helps too	Oct 01 10:12
cubexyz	I'm gathering up all of the BIOS source code I can	Oct 01 10:12
cubexyz	I'm aware that 'bad guys' are attacking my server and I monitor that	Oct 01 10:13
cubexyz	there's three things:	Oct 01 10:14
cubexyz	NSA hacks, miscellaneous bad guy hacks, and just plain old lack of knowledge	Oct 01 10:14
cubexyz	I'm not on the NSA radar... I'm just not important to them	Oct 01 10:15
msb_	You could be. They could be reading this channel. Microshit, Linux, systemd, swpats could be important to them. And now _you_ are doing all these BIOS investigations, to prevent them from breaking into computers. So you may be on the radar now.	Oct 01 10:17
msb_	Plus they could have followed me here. I have a lot of stuff on my website that they don't want the public to know about, even though I got it all from publicly accessible websites.	Oct 01 10:20
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msb_	Of course when we say "NSA", that's only one of more than a dozen secret spy organizations in the US govt, some of which probably have never been made public.	Oct 01 10:21
MinceR	the NSA is monitoring everyone they can	Oct 01 10:33
MinceR	they don't care if they can find anything in the massive amounts of data they gather, they just vacuum it up	Oct 01 10:33
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MinceR	and afaik they have yet to stop any turrist attack	Oct 01 10:34
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MinceR	they piss the taxpayers' money away on this and on weakening the security of algorithms and implementations used by citizens	Oct 01 10:34
MinceR	they should be shut down and replaced with an agency that does its job	Oct 01 10:34
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cubexyz	archive.org has an interesting license	Oct 01 10:50
cubexyz	I don't remember choosing it	Oct 01 10:50
cubexyz	Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0	Oct 01 10:51
msb_	"they have yet to stop any turrist attack" http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2929396/pg1 "U.S. Intelligence Officer: "Every Single Terrorist Attack In U.S. Was a False Flag Attack.""	Oct 01 11:36
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msb_	"The latest whistleblower is David Steele, a 20-year Marine Corps intelligence officer, and the second-highest-ranking civilian in the U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence. He is a former CIA clandestine services case officer, and this is what he had to say: “Most terrorists are false flag terrorists, or are created by our own security services. "	Oct 01 11:38
msb_	The US/UK/Israeli/Corporate Empire is run by murderous psychopaths who want to control the entire world for power and greed. But Russia and China have enough nukes for MAD. So the US nibbles at them around their edges, as in Syria and Ukraine, and demonizes them in the corporate press.	Oct 01 11:47
msb_	It tries to control all economies and commerce via the IMF and Rothschild banks, and spies on all communications.	Oct 01 11:50
MinceR	yeah, the fascists will save is from fascism	Oct 01 11:51
MinceR	oh wait	Oct 01 11:51
msb_	It destr0ys any weaker nations that oppose it, like Libya and Syria.	Oct 01 11:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why a Linux-powered botnet shouldn't send you	Oct 01 11:53
TweetTuxMachines	scurrying back to Windows	Oct 01 11:53
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MinceR	s/is/us/	Oct 01 11:53
cubexyz	AMI did some interesting things	Oct 01 11:56
msb_	MinceR: To have an accurate idea of what's going on, you have to see things in terms of degree, not black and white. Putin may be a front for some wealthy Russians, and he did lock up Pussy Riot and censored some Internet sources. But compared to what the US has done around the world since 2001, Putin and China have not done much to control other nations, nor to mass murder people.	Oct 01 11:57
cubexyz	support for Cyrix an Weitek, Weitek got dropped later	Oct 01 11:57
MinceR	only because they're less powerful	Oct 01 11:58
MinceR	if they could, they would	Oct 01 11:58
MinceR	and they would do worse	Oct 01 11:58
MinceR	and they have done it before	Oct 01 11:58
msb_	That's a fantasy in your mind, derived from what the USSR did to Hungary 60 years ago. Other than a few infrequent threats to try to limit actual US _actions_, there's no evidence for your claims.	Oct 01 12:00
MinceR	no, those are facts you're ignoring don't exist because you buy all fascist government propaganda at face value	Oct 01 12:01
MinceR	s/ignoring/pretending/	Oct 01 12:01
MinceR	and what the USSR did to hungary for about 60 years, they did to all other countries in the eastern bloc	Oct 01 12:02
msb_	Not at all. I look at actual actions. The US has wrecked every nation that it can in the Middle East, using WMD and armed jihadis. Russia has done no such thing.	Oct 01 12:03
MinceR	yes they have	Oct 01 12:03
MinceR	they've done worse than that to the entire eastern bloc and themselves	Oct 01 12:03
msb_	Yes, 60 years ago the USSR was very bad. It isn't now.	Oct 01 12:04
MinceR	it hasn't changed significantly, they have hardly learned anything	Oct 01 12:04
MinceR	they're more desperate though	Oct 01 12:04
MinceR	so they're more willing to throw nukes around	Oct 01 12:04
msb_	You have no proof of that.	Oct 01 12:05
MinceR	i have already shown proof and you've ignored it several times	Oct 01 12:05
msb_	You fantasize and obsess about what goes on in Putin's mind.	Oct 01 12:05
MinceR	no, that's what you do	Oct 01 12:06
msb_	You've shown him making a few threats, to counter similar threats and actualities done by the US.	Oct 01 12:06
msb_	The US has Russia surrounded by nuclear weapons. Russia does not have the US surrounded.	Oct 01 12:06
MinceR	the us only uses nuclear weapons to counter nuclear threats	Oct 01 12:07
MinceR	russia is willing to use them for anything	Oct 01 12:07
MinceR	in the hope they'll intimidate the west	Oct 01 12:07
MinceR	and possibly break the nato apart	Oct 01 12:07
msb_	You believe all the US/NATO propaganda.	Oct 01 12:08
MinceR	you believe all the russian propaganda	Oct 01 12:08
MinceR	you also believe all the conspiracy theories	Oct 01 12:08
msb_	Your beliefs about 9/11, chemtrails, vaccines are all in exact agreement with the US govt.	Oct 01 12:08
MinceR	no they aren't	Oct 01 12:09
msb_	I have detailed factual proof for those matters, not theories.	Oct 01 12:09
MinceR	no, you have bullshit for those matters that lack detail	Oct 01 12:09
MinceR	you have implications and insinuations	Oct 01 12:10
msb_	The beliefs you've expressed here are.	Oct 01 12:10
MinceR	even that is false	Oct 01 12:10
msb_	You're lying. Look at my 911 material. Look at http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/ It's all factual, not "bullshit for those matters that lack detail, implications and insinuations", as you falsely claim.	Oct 01 12:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geoengineeringwatch.org \| Geoengineering Watch \| Exposing the climate engineering/geoengineering cover-up		Oct 01 12:12
MinceR	no, you're lying	Oct 01 12:12
MinceR	learn how to think critically	Oct 01 12:13
msb_	If you think that any of my material is false, present your claims in detail. Argue with the facts. But you don't. You just make blanket vague accusations. And _all_ of the material I present is the result of critical thinking.	Oct 01 12:14
MinceR	i already have	Oct 01 12:14
MinceR	and it's pointless to talk with you as if you hear something you don't like, you pretend it wasn't said, forever	Oct 01 12:15
msb_	No you haven't. You haven't refuted anything about 911 or chemtrails.	Oct 01 12:15
msb_	And now you've given an extremely lame excuse for not doing it -- saying you did it before and I ignored it. Present your refutations again.	Oct 01 12:16
msb_	Refute Newton's Laws of Motion. Refute the thermite research. Refute Dane Wigington's evidence.	Oct 01 12:19
MinceR	you haven't calculated anything using newton's laws of motion	Oct 01 12:20
MinceR	thermite is irrelevant as it depends on the bullshit claims about jet fuel and steel	Oct 01 12:20
MinceR	i don't know who dane wigington is but you don't care about their evidence to mention them here	Oct 01 12:20
MinceR	also, see above	Oct 01 12:20
msb_	Newton: F=ma is a vector equation. 10-ton girders accelerated horizontally to 70mph required a horizontal force -- explosives, not gravity.	Oct 01 12:22
msb_	Thermite particles were found in all the 911 dust. They cannot be generated from jet fuel and steel -- different atomic elements.	Oct 01 12:23
msb_	Wigington's website is http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/ His detailed copious evidence is presented there.	Oct 01 12:24
MinceR	who found thermite particles?	Oct 01 12:24
msb_	A group of scientists.	Oct 01 12:24
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MinceR	who are they?	Oct 01 12:26
MinceR	what's their evidence?	Oct 01 12:26
msb_	I'll find the paper and you can read it. Hold on.	Oct 01 12:27
cubexyz	didn't someone try to blow up the WTC before?	Oct 01 12:28
cubexyz	there could have been residual traces of that	Oct 01 12:28
msb_	Yes, the FBI and Mossad infiltrated a muslim study group and got them to drive a truck of dynamite or other nitrate explosive under the towers. But dynamite and thermite are chemically totally different.	Oct 01 12:30
cubexyz	1993	Oct 01 12:31
msb_	MinceR: Here it is: http://aldeilis.net/truth/119.pdf	Oct 01 12:32
MinceR	the origin of the "red/gray chips" is uncertain	Oct 01 12:37
msb_	Normal thermite is a mixture of aluminum and iron oxide powders. The thermitic chips found in the dust were thin flakes with the Al on one side and the Fe203 on the other, in intimate contact so the reaction proceeds very rapidly.	Oct 01 12:39
MinceR	sure, but how do we know the alleged citizens who turned them in really found them where they say they did?	Oct 01 12:39
MinceR	(or even when they did)	Oct 01 12:39
msb_	The were produced by a sol-gel process in a US lab. I have a paper with the details.	Oct 01 12:40
msb_	It's very high-tech. They can't be produced by accident.	Oct 01 12:41
MinceR	they can be submitted by foreign disinformation agents, though	Oct 01 12:42
MinceR	and then you can analyze them using totally credible techniques and still be misled	Oct 01 12:42
msb_	Are you claiming that all the people who scraped the dust off their windowsills were working for Putin?	Oct 01 12:43
MinceR	no, i'm saying the 4 people mentioned in the study may have been working for putin	Oct 01 12:43
MinceR	as such, they may have not scraped the chips off their windowsills	Oct 01 12:44
msb_	Even the US govt lying propaganda sites don't say that.	Oct 01 12:44
MinceR	do those sites acknowledge the red/gray chips issue at all?	Oct 01 12:44
msb_	Some say they were flecks of paint.	Oct 01 12:45
MinceR	i've seen rebuttals to that	Oct 01 12:45
MinceR	but those replies may be "loose change"-level	Oct 01 12:45
msb_	But paint flecks don't burst into a shower of bright sparks when heated to a few hundred degrees.	Oct 01 12:46
MinceR	indeed	Oct 01 12:46
MinceR	such paint would probably not be allowed to be used in buildings	Oct 01 12:46
MinceR	but we still don't really know where they come from	Oct 01 12:46
msb_	Correct. Elemental aluminum is a very high-energy reducing agent.	Oct 01 12:46
msb_	Thermite burns with a very bright actinic light. The chips had to be below ground or the light would have been seen. They were used to melt the girders below ground level.	Oct 01 12:48
MinceR	how did they get out of the site, then?	Oct 01 12:48
msb_	Some unburned ones were carried up by the hot air produced by the others.	Oct 01 12:49
MinceR	also, were the girders visible from areas visitors and office workers and such were normally in within the building?	Oct 01 12:49
MinceR	(if not, maybe they could have been used higher up)	Oct 01 12:50
msb_	Not underground where the thermite was. The thermite could have been poured into the hollow box-columns thru the inspection holes left in them.	Oct 01 12:51
msb_	Conventional explosives were used above ground. Light from thermite would have shown on the videos.	Oct 01 12:52
MinceR	conventional explosives produce light too, don't they?	Oct 01 12:53
msb_	Brief flashes.	Oct 01 12:53
msb_	But the explosives were hidden in the concrete cores of the towers, built in to them. But without detonators, which were added shortly before 9/11.	Oct 01 12:54
MinceR	other sources say the aluminium in the flakes was not aluminium metal, but as part of kaolin (aluminium silicate)	Oct 01 12:54
MinceR	which is not uncommon in paint	Oct 01 12:54
MinceR	http://dl.dropbox.com/u/64959841/9119ProgressReport022912_rev1_030112web.pdf	Oct 01 12:54
MinceR	http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=231314&page=2	Oct 01 12:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.internationalskeptics.com \| WTC Dust Study Feb 29, 2012 by Dr. James Millette - Page 2 - International Skeptics Forum [ http://ur1.ca/nw7v6 ]		Oct 01 12:55
msb_	aluminum silicate is already oxidized. It can't burn. It's clay.	Oct 01 12:55
MinceR	indeed	Oct 01 12:55
msb_	I should say the aluminum in aluminum silicate is already oxidized.	Oct 01 12:56
msb_	Elementary chemistry.	Oct 01 12:56
msb_	Fig. 19 and 29 shows the thermitic chips igniting.	Oct 01 12:59
msb_	Burning aluminum produces extremely high energy, much more than burning coal or wood. It has such high energy that it can pull the oxygen out of iron oxide, leaving molten iron. That molten iron can be used to weld railroad tracks, which is or was a principle use of thermite.	Oct 01 13:07
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649609789509664772	Oct 01 13:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@swapnilbhartiya: 1/~ I am not. Please read the whole story. https://t.co/gNv5jU1UgO		Oct 01 13:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Swapnil is wrong. #microsoft is still suing #android using #patents from many fronts, its private trolls too http://t.co/PiodTmjKDT #linux		Oct 01 13:08
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649610338388807680	Oct 01 13:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz No I am not. Please read the complete story - including the end where I said that they will continue to sign patent deals 1/2		Oct 01 13:08
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649610537093976064	Oct 01 13:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz I said ONLY and ONLY if they join OIN and agree not not threaten Linux with patent will we believe they have changed. 2/2		Oct 01 13:08
schestowitz	That would not be enough. Only last month Bill Gates lobbied against China/Linux and Microsoft lobbies EPO, re #UPC	Oct 01 13:09
schestowitz	To me, not even taking Windows GPL would mean much. The company is a sociopath with a long track record at that.	Oct 01 13:10
schestowitz	I didn't mean for anything to sound confrontational; I can share with you some recent links regarding what Microsoft STILL does to destroy Linux and Free software	Oct 01 13:11
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/TelecomNewsroom/status/649613308752994304	Oct 01 13:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TelecomNewsroom: The TelecomNewsroom Daily is out! http://t.co/yTobeRXsqA Stories via @fone_do @schestowitz @BW_Wireless		Oct 01 13:12
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msb_	MinceR: Here's the article from LLNL explaining how the thermite chips are made, and showing their ignition: http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/SolGelPyroLLNL2002.pdf	Oct 01 13:14
schestowitz	don't start	Oct 01 13:14
schestowitz	No politics here..	Oct 01 13:14
msb_	MinceR asked.	Oct 01 13:14
MinceR	that's a little far-fetched	Oct 01 13:15
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_b5224063ebd59dbb967b.jpg	Oct 01 13:15
MinceR	insists on saving to disk	Oct 01 13:18
MinceR	and on opening it with the wrong application	Oct 01 13:18
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649633002977411072	Oct 01 13:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz lobbying for business is different from patent war. Do you believe RH won’t fight to take market from Canonical?		Oct 01 13:18
schestowitz	Lobbying for software patents	Oct 01 13:18
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649633589911515137	Oct 01 13:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz Leaders can change companies, just like countries. There is a difference in US of Bush and that of Obama. 1/2		Oct 01 13:18
schestowitz	Obama is in many ways worse than Bush	Oct 01 13:18
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649633741674049536	Oct 01 13:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz 2/2 That said no one is giving them clean chit, just acknowledging a change that we are seeing.		Oct 01 13:19
schestowitz	Microsoft is now infiltrating FOSS with moles. That's not >good< change. It's promoting proprietary lockin.	Oct 01 13:19
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649634049322024960	Oct 01 13:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz I know as I said in the story itself that not to expect them to change, BUT that there might be a hope due to new leadership.		Oct 01 13:20
schestowitz	Nadella is bossed by Bill Gates, whose record you can ask Penfield at USDOJ (he's dead now) about	Oct 01 13:20
schestowitz	Nadella is bossed by Bill Gates, whose record you can ask Penfield at USDOJ (he's dead now) about	Oct 01 13:20
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649634320131473409	Oct 01 13:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz I interviewed Sam Ramji who drove open source in Microsoft. He gave more meaning full insights into this change at MSFT.		Oct 01 13:21
schestowitz	ramji is a villainous mole. I wrote a lot about him over the years.	Oct 01 13:21
msb_	MinceR: What is "a little far-fetched"? That file is just a 61KB jpg. I don't know why firefox doesn't show it.	Oct 01 13:22
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649635765614440452	Oct 01 13:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz what????		Oct 01 13:24
schestowitz	Look at his track record while working for Microsoft for a salary	Oct 01 13:24
MinceR	msb_: that i asked specifically for this	Oct 01 13:24
schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entryism	Oct 01 13:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Entryism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Oct 01 13:24
msb_	MinceR: You asked for the Harrit paper. This one is a companion to it. Dr Steven Jones sent it to me.	Oct 01 13:26
cubexyz	always avoid Microsoft whenever possible	Oct 01 13:27
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/foss-matrix.txt	Oct 01 13:28
cubexyz	I'm going to have to revise the operating system recommendations	Oct 01 13:29
cubexyz	more emphasis on chromebook and BSD and slackware distros	Oct 01 13:30
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/swapnilbhartiya/status/649637224053633024	Oct 01 13:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@swapnilbhartiya: @schestowitz http://t.co/FMDZufNleN		Oct 01 13:32
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schestowitz	Yes, terrible news, as I wrote at the time	Oct 01 13:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenShot 2.0 Video Editor to Be Released Soon	Oct 01 13:39
TweetTuxMachines	for Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows 10	Oct 01 13:39
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TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu Linux." http://t.co/7vjS0htO4P	Oct 01 13:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Valve Is Using SteamOS and Linux Icons for the	Oct 01 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	Same Game https://t.co/ip242wIYDB	Oct 01 13:55
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/649643238689783808	Oct 01 14:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz I've read the article, and the guy belittles Linux, saying now it surpassed Vista... What a moron.		Oct 01 14:04
schestowitz	That's MS Emil, not it's @drpizza succeeding him	Oct 01 14:04
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cubexyz	DEC customers could actually run FOSS with RT-11	Oct 01 14:07
cubexyz	the endless noise about Microsoft is really a shame	Oct 01 14:07
cubexyz	there are many examples of good operating systems that didn't catch on	Oct 01 14:08
cubexyz	MSDOS with 640K was a joke	Oct 01 14:08
cubexyz	PDP-11/53 with RT-11 was a good system.. but just too expensive for the masses	Oct 01 14:10
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cubexyz	kids today are getting the false idea that computing == windows	Oct 01 14:23
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cubexyz	I talked to the OpenBSD specialists about framebuffers	Oct 01 14:25
lirodon	Time to boycott more services; Amazon's complaining that another closed media ecosystem product won't support its own closed media ecosystem, so it's just banning them from their store instead	Oct 01 14:25
cubexyz	there's nothing in OpenBSD that's equivalent to vesafb	Oct 01 14:25
lirodon	they're just punishing them for not letting them into their walled garden	Oct 01 14:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Best Android smartphones for work and play:	Oct 01 15:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines FSF, Conservancy publish principles for	Oct 01 15:32
TweetTuxMachines	community-oriented GPL enforcement	Oct 01 15:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 3D sensing camera PC runs Linux, hits Indiegogo	Oct 01 15:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kubuntu 15.10 screenshot preview	Oct 01 15:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Launch of the Fastest Booting Linux OS, Solus,	Oct 01 15:36
TweetTuxMachines	Gets Delayed Until October 3	Oct 01 15:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The issue with embedded Linux... and the	Oct 01 15:36
TweetTuxMachines	solution https://t.co/me5tnmvQdK	Oct 01 15:36
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TweetTuxMachines	(www.techrepublic.com) "Let me set the stage	Oct 01 15:36
TweetTuxMachines	for you."	Oct 01 15:36
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/649669610128703489	Oct 01 15:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz I just wonder if awesomeness of Mate 1.12 will be depency on systemd... If it's that, it's a non starter to me.		Oct 01 15:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MATE 1.12 Promises to Be an Awesome Release	Oct 01 15:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is The Gentoo-Based Calculate Linux Faster Than	Oct 01 15:44
TweetTuxMachines	Other Distributions https://t.co/3yRIGAeAYz	Oct 01 15:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Learn Linux Administration with Linux	Oct 01 15:45
TweetTuxMachines	Foundation Instructor Lee Elston	Oct 01 15:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com \| Learn Linux Administration with Linux Foundation Instructor Lee Elston \| Linux.com		Oct 01 15:45
MinceR	https://i.imgur.com/A9ZW7Ue.jpg	Oct 01 15:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mycroft Promises Open Source, Linux-based AI	Oct 01 15:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "I published some Free rebuilds of the Android	Oct 01 15:57
TweetTuxMachines	SDK, NDK and ADT" https://t.co/Z8LiBfOgkQ	Oct 01 15:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Run And Gun Platformer NOT A HERO Released On	Oct 01 15:58
TweetTuxMachines	Steam For Linux https://t.co/uXMDl0LDqn	Oct 01 15:58
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6654471	Oct 01 16:06
schestowitz	"@bugsbane@joindiaspora.com still better than once will-be-open-trust-us Lightworks…"	Oct 01 16:06
schestowitz	They still pretend?	Oct 01 16:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post?		Oct 01 16:06
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/649677498045890560	Oct 01 16:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SeaH2ONymph: #US shipped 160 planeloads weapons 2 'rebels'. #CIA spent 1 billion dollars to train fighters to overthrow #Assad. https://t.co/GS6Nmgeo5n		Oct 01 16:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "That “diplomatic strategy” involves getting #Russia to endorse regime change" https://t.co/kFJuqmuodS #nytimes #pentagon #coup #syria		Oct 01 16:21
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/649681580349231104 https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/649681771529834496	Oct 01 16:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz Please, for the love of FOSS, remove the remarks from your article about Swapnil and the Microsoft + Google CEO's being Indian		Oct 01 16:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz That article is being spammed all over the place, even to the point of showing up in gaming groups.		Oct 01 16:29
schestowitz	Gaming? Which site?	Oct 01 16:29
schestowitz	Removing something leads to blowback, c/f Streisand Effect	Oct 01 16:30
schestowitz	Re: how to maintain the hype	Oct 01 16:51
schestowitz	>	Oct 01 16:51
schestowitz	> Records sales in first 3 days	Oct 01 16:51
schestowitz	> iPhone6S releases in	Oct 01 16:51
schestowitz	> http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20150928005459/en/Apple-Announces-Record-iPhone-6s-iPhone-6s#.Vgp4j5eYprK	Oct 01 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businesswire.com \| Apple Announces Record iPhone 6s & iPhone 6s Plus Sales \| Business Wire [ http://ur1.ca/nw9hg ]		Oct 01 16:51
schestowitz	> more than 40 countries	Oct 01 16:51
schestowitz	>	Oct 01 16:51
schestowitz	> iPhone5S (two years ago) released in	Oct 01 16:51
schestowitz	> http://bgr.com/2013/10/09/iphone-5s-release-date-new-markets/	Oct 01 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bgr.com \| iPhone 5s Release Date: New markets announced for Apple’s iPhones \| BGR [ http://ur1.ca/nw9hj ]		Oct 01 16:51
schestowitz	> more than 25 countries	Oct 01 16:51
schestowitz	>	Oct 01 16:51
schestowitz	> In a few years there are not enough countries for initial record sales.	Oct 01 16:51
schestowitz	>	Oct 01 16:51
schestowitz	> Maybe after the iCar there will be iCountries??? :)	Oct 01 16:51
schestowitz	Statisticians help PR people find a way to frame data in a way that supports misleading headlines.	Oct 01 16:51
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TweetTuxMachines	Linux, Here’s What I Think	Oct 01 17:10
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msb_	cubexyz: In 1984 PCDOS and an IBM-PC with a 15MB disk was a very limited system compared to much more expensive PDP-11s available. But it was more powerful than a PDP-8 or PDP-12 and had plug-in boards you could put your own circuitry on and control by I/O instructions. It had an assembler and C compiler (for a few hundred dollars more) and came with BASIC. I taught myself programming on such a machine and did a lot of good work on	Oct 01 18:13
msb_	it. XTREE was an excellent filemanager/editor, like mc today. I had a categorized collection of about 70 utility programs on a floppy disk that I took with me to consulting jobs. It was a good time!	Oct 01 18:13
cubexyz	sorry?	Oct 01 18:13
cubexyz	PDP-11 was what I was talking about	Oct 01 18:14
cubexyz	I'm saying that PDP-11 series was more open and more powerful than msdos machines, which it was	Oct 01 18:14
msb_	"<cubexyz> MSDOS with 640K was a joke"	Oct 01 18:15
cubexyz	you got operating system source	Oct 01 18:15
cubexyz	it was way better, but more expensive is what I said	Oct 01 18:15
cubexyz	right	Oct 01 18:15
cubexyz	so was EMS	Oct 01 18:15
cubexyz	msdos with real mode wasn't good at all	Oct 01 18:16
cubexyz	1 meg window	Oct 01 18:16
MinceR	640kB should be enough for anybody!	Oct 01 18:16
MinceR	(just like windows.)	Oct 01 18:16
cubexyz	PDP-11	Oct 01 18:17
cubexyz	PDP-11 had a proper MMU	Oct 01 18:17
cubexyz	all the higher order computers had MMUs	Oct 01 18:19
cubexyz	I wasted a lot of time programming around MSDOS limitations	Oct 01 18:20
cubexyz	himem.sys?	Oct 01 18:20
cubexyz	Amiga was better, IBM S/370 was better, Sun was better	Oct 01 18:21
cubexyz	and PDP-11 was better	Oct 01 18:21
msb_	I had a high-res color monitor and display card on my cheap PC, and wrote a lot of artistic graphics programs.	Oct 01 18:23
msb_	It had BIOS source and electrical schematics!	Oct 01 18:25
msb_	At various times I intercepted the system call interrupts and put in my own "wedges" in order to modify the actions of the BIOS and/or OS.	Oct 01 18:26
msb_	Having started on a PDP-12 with IIRC 4K of 12-bit RAM I was very happy with my much more powerful PC.	Oct 01 18:27
msb_	Maybe the 12 was only 2K.	Oct 01 18:28
cubexyz	you're jumping eras	Oct 01 18:28
msb_	No, I think PDP-12 came before the 11.	Oct 01 18:29
cubexyz	that's what I mean	Oct 01 18:29
cubexyz	PDP-12 was much earlier was it not?	Oct 01 18:29
cubexyz	compared to your .... what... 286 PC?	Oct 01 18:29
msb_	In any case I learned assembly on a 12, and then got a PC with C.	Oct 01 18:29
cubexyz	I'm guessing 286 since you mentioned BIOS source	Oct 01 18:29
msb_	My PC was 8088. The BIOS source came in a 3-ring binder for about 50-70 bucks.	Oct 01 18:30
cubexyz	ok, early 1980s then	Oct 01 18:30
msb_	including the schematics.	Oct 01 18:30
msb_	yes	Oct 01 18:30
cubexyz	my notes say PDP-12 first appeared in 1969	Oct 01 18:31
cubexyz	used to about 1972	Oct 01 18:31
cubexyz	early 1980s it would have been very difficult to get a computer in the home that had MMU	Oct 01 18:32
cubexyz	that's just the way it was	Oct 01 18:32
msb_	The apps and libraries I wrote in C fitted ok in 640K.	Oct 01 18:32
cubexyz	what I am saying is PDP-11's running Unix were better than msdos	Oct 01 18:33
msb_	sure	Oct 01 18:33
msb_	How much did they cost, including Unix?	Oct 01 18:33
msb_	For a non-institutional user.	Oct 01 18:34
cubexyz	that's a bit tricky to answer	Oct 01 18:36
cubexyz	for PDP-11/20 I know it was $60K	Oct 01 18:36
cubexyz	but the price went down over time	Oct 01 18:36
cubexyz	PDP-7 in 1965 was $72K	Oct 01 18:36
cubexyz	DEC LINC-8 was $46K in 1966	Oct 01 18:37
msb_	My PC, hard drive, display , graphic card, came in at about $6K.	Oct 01 18:37
cubexyz	PDP-8's were the cheapest for a while... $18K	Oct 01 18:37
msb_	Including C compiler	Oct 01 18:37
msb_	8's were really awful to program.	Oct 01 18:37
cubexyz	it's real mode that really bugged me	Oct 01 18:37
cubexyz	8086 limitation	Oct 01 18:38
cubexyz	with Xenix 286 the memory limits weren't as bad	Oct 01 18:38
cubexyz	right, I can image the PDP-8 was very also very limiting	Oct 01 18:38
msb_	much worse than 8088	Oct 01 18:39
cubexyz	maximum 64k?	Oct 01 18:39
msb_	640K.	Oct 01 18:39
cubexyz	no, I mean the PDP-8	Oct 01 18:40
msb_	IIRC, except for a couple of instructions it was limited to a 256Byte page.	Oct 01 18:40
msb_	like a 6502	Oct 01 18:41
msb_	I really wanted a CoCo, with a 6809, designed like a PDP-11, excellent instruction set and memory reach. But never got one.	Oct 01 18:42
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cubexyz	286 was Intel's answer to the real mode limit	Oct 01 18:43
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cubexyz	with protected mode	Oct 01 18:43
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cubexyz	but look at Intel now	Oct 01 18:45
cubexyz	not really that desirable	Oct 01 18:45
msb_	I got a 386 and used it with a very good multitasking and memory extension system from Borland (IIRC). Wrote a huge app on a contract -- real-time graphics with a software feedback loop for speed regulation, and my own display-list system, which included some conditionals.	Oct 01 18:47
cubexyz	ok... what I ended up doing back in the day was use XMS under msdos	Oct 01 18:47
cubexyz	BUT... I also wrote the same program for the amiga	Oct 01 18:47
cubexyz	the amiga version was much simpler and cleaner	Oct 01 18:48
msb_	No doubt!	Oct 01 18:48
msb_	We had limitations then and worked around them. We have limitations now.	Oct 01 18:48
msb_	When we reach the point where we can say, "Computer!" and it says, "Working", it will be a lot less fun. Thinking is fun!	Oct 01 18:50
MinceR	we're not guaranteed to reach that point	Oct 01 18:51
cubexyz	ok... but the whole IBM PC architecture was very limiting	Oct 01 18:51
MinceR	though if we did, it will probably mean that finally we have an AI that can outlast humanity	Oct 01 18:51
msb_	MinceR: And might choose to.	Oct 01 18:51
cubexyz	The 8086 was an ill-conceived attempt to provide an address space larger 64K bytes without actually incurring the costs of a larger architecture. The 8086 is basically a 16/16 architecture. It has a 16-bit program counter, a 16-bit ALU, four 16-bit general purpose registers, and some 16-bit index registers.	Oct 01 18:52
msb_	But now 86's have multiple cores with multiple pipelines, instruction prediction and caching, and clock rates higher than radar. We program them in C with good optimizing compilers. Life is good!	Oct 01 18:55
msb_	As soon as Devuan comes out.	Oct 01 18:55
cubexyz	except we went from "BIOS source here you go" to "sign an NDA and give us $20K"	Oct 01 18:58
MinceR	and soon we'll go to "you get to run osx if you buy your computer from apple or windows if you buy it from anyone else"	Oct 01 18:59
msb_	When it's time to build my new computer, if I can't get a Tyan mobo with libreboot, I'll probably get a sabretooth and kill UEFI/secure-boot on it. It can flash the BIOS from a USB stick without a CPU, so I'll have that ready, and make good backups in case the govt bricks my computer. Hell, they could just come and shoot me if they want to.	Oct 01 18:59
cubexyz	well I assume you saw the NSA ANT Catalog	Oct 01 19:00
cubexyz	I've been working on the BIOS problem for 5 years now	Oct 01 19:01
msb_	Yep. Thanks!	Oct 01 19:01
cubexyz	I have a plan about the BIOS situation	Oct 01 19:01
cubexyz	there's two different approaches	Oct 01 19:01
msb_	MinceR: I think all ASUS mobos have the option of turning off UEFI-secureboot and running any OS you want.	Oct 01 19:02
cubexyz	three actually	Oct 01 19:02
MinceR	msb_: for now.	Oct 01 19:02
cubexyz	first I want everyone to remember that Raspberry PI has proprietary firmware	Oct 01 19:02
MinceR	msb_: last time, m$ was forced by pr backlash to mandate Restricted Boot to be possible to be disabled on x86	Oct 01 19:02
cubexyz	ok option 1) buy a chromebook	Oct 01 19:02
MinceR	they already had the hw locked down on arm	Oct 01 19:03
MinceR	this time, that restriction is gone	Oct 01 19:03
cubexyz	option 2) pay minifree for a X60 laptop with libreboot	Oct 01 19:03
MinceR	so expect to see uefi appliances bearing a vista10 sticker that won't boot anything else	Oct 01 19:03
cubexyz	option 3) use the leaked AMI source and find a motherboard that works with it	Oct 01 19:03
MinceR	chromebooks, x60s and x200s are weak	Oct 01 19:03
cubexyz	our options for BIOS source code are limited	Oct 01 19:04
cubexyz	the hardware gatekeepers are stacked against us	Oct 01 19:06
MinceR	all the fascists are stacked against us	Oct 01 19:06
msb_	I don't think MS could get away with insisting that UEFI/SB not be user controllable on any mobo.	Oct 01 19:06
MinceR	m$ and crApple made closed platforms and drm hip and cool	Oct 01 19:06
MinceR	mainstream media, dumbFuckBook and m$ destroyed expectations of privacy	Oct 01 19:07
MinceR	msb_: they can	Oct 01 19:07
MinceR	m$ and crApple could get away with closing the market to competing OS-es	Oct 01 19:07
MinceR	even though the USA and the EU pretends they have antitrust regulations, and regulations against monopoly abuse	Oct 01 19:07
msb_	MinceR: We've been fighting fascists for a century. We'll go on fighting them. And with the Net, people have much better communications for organizing and fighting fascists.	Oct 01 19:08
MinceR	we will	Oct 01 19:08
MinceR	but we're losing	Oct 01 19:08
MinceR	yeah, the net is being killed too	Oct 01 19:08
MinceR	red china started it with their great firewall	Oct 01 19:08
MinceR	many others are following	Oct 01 19:08
MinceR	russia is also employing internet censorship	Oct 01 19:08
MinceR	now the UN is plotting for global internet censorship	Oct 01 19:08
MinceR	and we have fascist megacorporations trying to destroy net neutrality	Oct 01 19:08
MinceR	people who have lived through fascist oppression in dictatorship seemed to have forgotten their suffering	Oct 01 19:09
msb_	MinceR: You always look at the absolute worst possibilities. That's a limitation of your mind, which you might overcome if you read that CBT pamphlet. You ignore the infinite possibilities of human creativity.	Oct 01 19:10
MinceR	i'm well aware of the possibilities	Oct 01 19:10
MinceR	but i can see that the majority is instead marching to put their hands in manacles willingly and happily	Oct 01 19:10
msb_	If you watch RT you'll see people protesting every day in many different nations about various issues.	Oct 01 19:11
MinceR	and if you watch RT you'll see blatant advertising of a fascist dictatorship	Oct 01 19:12
MinceR	you'll also see putin's stereotypical fascist posturing	Oct 01 19:12
msb_	Actually, you don't. But even if you did, that doesn';t change what I said, which refutes your idea of "marching to put their hands in manacles willingly".	Oct 01 19:13
MinceR	actually, the fact that you keep promoting RT and putin shows that even you put your hands in manacles willingly	Oct 01 19:14
msb_	Lots of people are uniting in political action all over the world.	Oct 01 19:14
MinceR	yes, usually for the worse	Oct 01 19:14
cubexyz	I think Mincer was referred to Ipads, Windows 10 Laptops, that sort of thing	Oct 01 19:14
MinceR	hungarians united to get rid of that pesky democracy	Oct 01 19:14
MinceR	and they got what they wanted	Oct 01 19:14
cubexyz	not being an educated consumer	Oct 01 19:14
MinceR	cubexyz: yes, in part	Oct 01 19:14
MinceR	i think there's a general theme here	Oct 01 19:14
cubexyz	Satellite TV is heavily DRMed	Oct 01 19:15
cubexyz	and laden with commercials	Oct 01 19:15
MinceR	even our display connector standards tend to be laden with DRM	Oct 01 19:15
MinceR	even the formerly open web supports DRM now	Oct 01 19:16
cubexyz	DRM is usually defeated though	Oct 01 19:17
MinceR	yes, as long as we have general-purpose computers and audio and video recording devices	Oct 01 19:18
msb_	MinceR: You're now stuck in your paranoid depressive delusions. I won't argue with you anymore. Read the CBT booklet. Maybe you can help yourself.	Oct 01 19:18
MinceR	the former is being taken away from us	Oct 01 19:18
MinceR	and the latter are slowly being replaced by computer-based devices that are increasingly subject to centralized control	Oct 01 19:18
MinceR	consumer idiots love their hypePhones and hypePads, with their closed platforms and backdoors	Oct 01 19:18
MinceR	i remember seeing crApple patenting means to shut down their devices' recording capabilities remotely so they can't be used to record the abuses of governments	Oct 01 19:19
MinceR	there's no outrage	Oct 01 19:19
MinceR	these fascists are worshipped as gods	Oct 01 19:19
msb_	To claim that when we now have dozens of different Linux SBCs for less that $50 is the height of nuttiness!	Oct 01 19:19
MinceR	yeah, i wonder if we'll be allowed to keep our SBCs	Oct 01 19:20
msb_	China can always make more!	Oct 01 19:20
MinceR	whether they will is another matter	Oct 01 19:20
MinceR	as is whether they'll be allowed to cross our borders	Oct 01 19:20
MinceR	remember that we have provisions for inspecting people's data storage devices on border crossing	Oct 01 19:21
msb_	Yeah yeah. Stalin raped Hungary 50 years ago so the world is doomed now. MinceR, you fill this channel with insanity.	Oct 01 19:22
MinceR	stalin did "raped" not only hungary and not only 50 years ago	Oct 01 19:22
MinceR	and you support his legacy	Oct 01 19:22
msb_	You're lying. Blow it out your ass.	Oct 01 19:22
MinceR	and there are fascists that are seemingly independent of him, too	Oct 01 19:23
MinceR	being rude doesn't make putin any less of a fascist	Oct 01 19:23
msb_	As I said, and as you totally ignored, fascism is a matter of degree.	Oct 01 19:23
MinceR	yes, and exactly 0 degree is which is acceptable	Oct 01 19:24
MinceR	and russian-style dictatorships take it a lot further than the likes of crApple	Oct 01 19:24
msb_	Putin is doing much more to fight fascism than to enforce it.	Oct 01 19:24
MinceR	with crApple, you may be left alone as long as you don't use a computer and aren't perceived by one	Oct 01 19:24
MinceR	with putin, you'll rot in a gulag if you stand up against him	Oct 01 19:25
MinceR	or you'll be murdered	Oct 01 19:25
msb_	So why are you still walking around?	Oct 01 19:25
MinceR	his army hasn't yet reached here	Oct 01 19:25
MinceR	and his cronies are more occupied with robbing us blind before the country collapses than killing us	Oct 01 19:26
msb_	It doesn't need an army, only one assassin.	Oct 01 19:26
MinceR	i don't think i'm individually targeted	Oct 01 19:26
MinceR	only as a member of certain groups	Oct 01 19:26
MinceR	yet	Oct 01 19:26
msb_	Why not? You attack Putin in public dozens of times a day.	Oct 01 19:27
MinceR	i don't own any media outlets	Oct 01 19:27
msb_	:<MinceR> with putin, you'll rot in a gulag if you stand up against him"	Oct 01 19:27
msb_	you use this media outlet	Oct 01 19:27
MinceR	i didn't know this was a media outlet	Oct 01 19:28
MinceR	i had the impression that this was an irc channel, ignored by the masses	Oct 01 19:28
msb_	Any of the masses can access it, or it's log on the web.	Oct 01 19:28
msb_	its	Oct 01 19:28
MinceR	they don't care to, though	Oct 01 19:28
MinceR	and even if they did, they wouldn't understand any of it	Oct 01 19:29
MinceR	just as they don't understand how the devices they believe to own are really owned by someone else	Oct 01 19:29
msb_	You keep changing the subject to avoid the refutation of your nutty claims: "<MinceR> with putin, you'll rot in a gulag if you stand up against him"	Oct 01 19:30
MinceR	if you think that's nutty, read up on what putler did to his political enemies	Oct 01 19:31
MinceR	and what he did to ukrainians	Oct 01 19:31
MinceR	and read up on the organization he was a member of, and what sort of regime that he served there	Oct 01 19:32
MinceR	of course you won't understand it	Oct 01 19:32
MinceR	because if someone calls themselves "socialist", you immediately give them carte blanche to do whatever crimes against humanity they feel like doing	Oct 01 19:32
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msb_	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME!	Oct 01 19:55
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MinceR	it took you over 22 minutes to come up with that answer?	Oct 01 19:55
msb_	I have other things to do than argue with an insane person.	Oct 01 19:56
MinceR	no, apparently you don't have other things to do than to argue with a person you believe to be insane	Oct 01 19:56
MinceR	seeing how you've kept doing it for weeks, if not more	Oct 01 19:56
msb_	I spend only a fraction of my time with your insanity and lies.	Oct 01 19:58
MinceR	yeah, you spend a lot more of your time with my sanity and truths	Oct 01 19:58
MinceR	and yet more with the insanity and lies told by putin's media and his supplicants	Oct 01 19:59
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MinceR	i wonder when will this end	Oct 01 20:33
MinceR	this time it's on the Think* machines	Oct 01 20:34
cubexyz	not really unremovable unless they did something really clever	Oct 01 21:37
MinceR	it only works on winblows and it's removable	Oct 01 21:39
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msb_	MinceR: You have never come up with anything broadcast on RT that you have proved is untrue. You've called it "Putin propaganda" constantly, but it doesn't matter if it's information that Putin wants people to know AS LONG AS IT'S TRUE.	Oct 01 22:51
msb_	MinceR: And this is an extremely vicious lie: "<MinceR> because if someone calls themselves "socialist", you immediately give them carte blanche to do whatever crimes against humanity they feel like doing" I have never given anyone carte blanche to commit crimes against humanity, and you can't quote me saying it because I never have.	Oct 01 22:53
MinceR	you have promoted the actions of putin, stalin, kadhafi, etc.	Oct 01 22:54
msb_	I have promoted only CERTAIN actions of those people -- none that were crimes against humanity.	Oct 01 22:55
MinceR	none that you recognize as crimes against humanity, that is	Oct 01 22:56
MinceR	also, you seem to fail to recognize that people you condemn to be ruled by dictators you favor will not only be subject of the dictators' actions that you cherry-pick	Oct 01 22:57
msb_	Although I am not familiar with Gaddafi having done anything wrong,	Oct 01 22:57
MinceR	they will be affected by any actions the dictators choose to affect them with	Oct 01 22:57
MinceR	there's nothing wrong with running a dictatorship, right?	Oct 01 22:57
msb_	Of course there is.	Oct 01 22:58
MinceR	and yet you spare no day to advertise dictatorships here	Oct 01 22:58
MinceR	and no day goes by that you do not advocate that more territories to be annexed to dictatorships, and more people to be subjected to their rule	Oct 01 22:58
MinceR	but apparently never yourself	Oct 01 22:58
msb_	As I said very explicitly, the only territories that should be annexed by Russia are those whose people overwhelmingly wish to be. No one else.	Oct 01 22:59
MinceR	but as a standard for such, you accept an unconstitutional, fraudulent charade of a "referendum" at gunpoint, with no international observers and no accountability	Oct 01 23:00
msb_	Everything else you've said just now are vague accusations without facts.	Oct 01 23:00
MinceR	so basically anything goes as long as one of your favored dictators say the people want it.	Oct 01 23:00
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MinceR	i've already proven these points	Oct 01 23:00
MinceR	and as always, you ignored that	Oct 01 23:00
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msb_	That's one of your favorite lies: claiming you proved something when you haven't.	Oct 01 23:01
MinceR	you also make a big drama if someone dares say that an authoritarian regime is fascist	Oct 01 23:01
MinceR	apparently you love authoritarianism	Oct 01 23:01
MinceR	you haven't explained why you love authoritarianism so much, though	Oct 01 23:01
MinceR	or why you want _other_ people to be subjected to it, but not yourself	Oct 01 23:01
msb_	I love the proper use of words, because that enables us to think clearly in concepts. Authoritarianism and Fascism, while both bad, are not the same thing.	Oct 01 23:02
MinceR	your thinking is very far from clear	Oct 01 23:02
msb_	And I don't want anyone subjected to either of them.	Oct 01 23:02
MinceR	and yet you campaign for exactly that	Oct 01 23:02
msb_	Never	Oct 01 23:03
MinceR	so you do things that are opposite to your intents	Oct 01 23:03
msb_	Nope	Oct 01 23:03
MinceR	apparently you've been programmed to make things worse for yourself	Oct 01 23:03
MinceR	apparently none of the things you keep linking that allegedly help against such programming actually helped	Oct 01 23:03
msb_	I do critical thinking, and tell the truth as accurately as I know it.	Oct 01 23:03
MinceR	no, you don't	Oct 01 23:04
msb_	Did you read the CBT pamphlet?	Oct 01 23:04
MinceR	you believe all the nonsense you find anywhere and call it "critical thinking"	Oct 01 23:04
MinceR	not yet	Oct 01 23:04
msb_	Then how do you know it won't help you.	Oct 01 23:04
MinceR	will reading it reveal to me how to remove this deleterious programming from your mind?	Oct 01 23:04
msb_	No, it will reveal to you how to remove the deleterious programming from YOUR mind.	Oct 01 23:05
MinceR	i'm not the one campaigning for subjecting as many people as possible to the rule of certain fascist dictatorships	Oct 01 23:06
msb_	Albert Ellis's book helped me a lot when I was young.	Oct 01 23:06
MinceR	not enough, apparently	Oct 01 23:06
msb_	I'll say it again, for the third time: the only people who should be part of the Russian Federation are people who want to be.	Oct 01 23:07
MinceR	but you don't really care if they want to be	Oct 01 23:08
msb_	If I didn't care, I wouldn't say it.	Oct 01 23:08
MinceR	if you did, you would have researched about the guarantees for that alleged "referendum"'s correct conduction	Oct 01 23:08
MinceR	instead of just parroting the lies of the government that was its organizer and beneficiary	Oct 01 23:08
msb_	You have never given evidence that guns were held on people while they were secretly voting.	Oct 01 23:08
MinceR	we've gone over it at least twice, and it's pointless to try again	Oct 01 23:09
MinceR	you obviously have no idea how democracy works	Oct 01 23:09
MinceR	i bet you also fall for the charades the ussr and its puppet states engaged in to pretend they were democratic	Oct 01 23:09
msb_	Again, I ask you to prove your claim, and you respond with personal insults instead.	Oct 01 23:09
MinceR	like "elections" where the Party decided who may or may not run	Oct 01 23:10
MinceR	i have proven it and you ignored it	Oct 01 23:10
MinceR	you keep trying to waste everybody's time	Oct 01 23:10
MinceR	i wonder what putler hopes to gain from that	Oct 01 23:10
msb_	And now you are changing the subject, because you can't give evidence.	Oct 01 23:10
msb_	One of the US propaganda sites you cited even said that Putin conducted a private opinion poll in Crimea before the referendum was held, and it was overwhelmingly for annexation,	Oct 01 23:11
MinceR	again, who said the poll was for annexation, and with what sample	Oct 01 23:12
MinceR	you confuse informal polls with referenda	Oct 01 23:12
MinceR	just like fidesz	Oct 01 23:12
MinceR	you lack the most basic training in the foundations of modern democracy	Oct 01 23:12
msb_	The US propaganda page that you linked to.	Oct 01 23:12
MinceR	if it's a "us propaganda page", at most it can report what others said	Oct 01 23:12
MinceR	or do you think the US had observers in putler's informal poll?	Oct 01 23:13
msb_	Again, I ask you to prove your claim, and you respond with personal insults instead.	Oct 01 23:13
MinceR	sounds like something russia would love to report on...	Oct 01 23:13
MinceR	unless of course they turn up something uncomfortable to russia	Oct 01 23:13
msb_	Prove that the referendum was coerced by men with guns in the polling booths.	Oct 01 23:13
MinceR	it's really sad that the usa has failed to teach its own citizens how democracy works	Oct 01 23:13
msb_	Prove that the referendum was coerced by men with guns in the polling booths.	Oct 01 23:14
MinceR	even if i paste evidence, you'll dismiss it as us propaganda	Oct 01 23:15
msb_	And prove that RT has said something untrue.	Oct 01 23:15
MinceR	your circular reasoning serves only wasting everybody's time	Oct 01 23:16
msb_	Do it and we'll see.	Oct 01 23:16
msb_	Lame excuse for being unable to cite any proof.	Oct 01 23:16
MinceR	do you deny that crimea was under military occupation when the "poll" took place?	Oct 01 23:17
MinceR	seriously?	Oct 01 23:17
msb_	No I don't,	Oct 01 23:17
MinceR	then what the hell are you talking about?	Oct 01 23:17
MinceR	you not only do not understand democracy, you don't even understand how pressuring and threatening people works?	Oct 01 23:18
msb_	But I deny that the occupation would affect the result of a _secret_ ballot, because people could still vote as they pleased, because no one would know how they voted.	Oct 01 23:18
MinceR	the only reason no one would know how they voted is that the counts are entirely faked by the russians.	Oct 01 23:18
msb_	More personal attacks.	Oct 01 23:18
MinceR	just like in russia.	Oct 01 23:18
msb_	And how do you know that?	Oct 01 23:19
MinceR	i've heard enough about how countries like russia conduct their business.	Oct 01 23:19
MinceR	they used to be pretty flippant about it too.	Oct 01 23:19
msb_	You seem to be unable to distinguish your paranoid fantasies from facts.	Oct 01 23:19
MinceR	"It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." -- Stalin	Oct 01 23:20
MinceR	is this a paranoid fantasy too?	Oct 01 23:20
msb_	You think that your paranoid fantasies _are_ facts.	Oct 01 23:20
MinceR	no, that's you	Oct 01 23:20
msb_	Stalin is long dead.	Oct 01 23:20
MinceR	his cause isn't, though	Oct 01 23:20
msb_	What cause is that?	Oct 01 23:20
MinceR	that of brutally oppressing people	Oct 01 23:21
MinceR	and using them as slaves to the state	Oct 01 23:21
msb_	xrevan86 has not reported seeing any brutal oppression in Russia.	Oct 01 23:21
MinceR	has anyone asked him?	Oct 01 23:21
msb_	I have.	Oct 01 23:21
MinceR	what did he say?	Oct 01 23:21
msb_	He hasn't.	Oct 01 23:22
msb_	And he works for a living. He's not a slave.	Oct 01 23:22
MinceR	and from silence you deduce that everything is a-ok there	Oct 01 23:22
MinceR	you believe the usa to be worse than russia, the latter you believe to be a well-working democracy	Oct 01 23:22
MinceR	that you support	Oct 01 23:22
MinceR	so why don't you move there?	Oct 01 23:22
msb_	No, Putin is somewhat authoritarian, but isn't doing terrible harm by it.	Oct 01 23:23
MinceR	why don't you volunteer for the russian army so you can go kill ukrainians and chechens and estonians?	Oct 01 23:23
MinceR	"somewhat authoritarian"?	Oct 01 23:23
MinceR	and being authoritarian isn't doing terrible harm?	Oct 01 23:23
MinceR	are you out of your mind?	Oct 01 23:23
msb_	I have never said I believe Russia to be a well-working democracy	Oct 01 23:23
MinceR	you merely pretend it is and imply it is	Oct 01 23:23
msb_	Never.	Oct 01 23:24
MinceR	apparently you believe if you don't explicitly voice your thoughts, they can't be pointed out and criticized?	Oct 01 23:24
msb_	If I don't voice my thoughts, there's no way for you to know what they are.	Oct 01 23:25
MinceR	yeah, it isn't like something called "logic" exists	Oct 01 23:25
msb_	But I do voice them, explicitly.	Oct 01 23:25
MinceR	at least in the mind of a putin supporter, anyway	Oct 01 23:25
msb_	As I've said many times, I only support SOME things that Putin does, not ALL.	Oct 01 23:25
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MinceR	and how do you propose crimeans to be subjected only to SOME things that putin does under russian rule?	Oct 01 23:26
msb_	But you keep ignoring that and lying about me.	Oct 01 23:26
MinceR	you're either lying about your own motives or have failed to think anything through.	Oct 01 23:26
msb_	The Crimeans chose to be under Russian rule rather than Nazi rule.	Oct 01 23:26
MinceR	no, they did not choose to be under russian rule	Oct 01 23:27
MinceR	and ukrainian rule isn't as nazi as russian rule is.	Oct 01 23:27
msb_	Just like the 700,000 Ukrainian refugees who fled to Russia.	Oct 01 23:27
MinceR	the refugees the russian government reported	Oct 01 23:27
MinceR	and represented with actors	Oct 01 23:27
MinceR	but you believe that too because you love authoritarianism so much	Oct 01 23:27
msb_	The Ukrainian government was placed in power by violence by the Nazi Right-Sector and Svoboda armies. And its policies are partly dictated by them.	Oct 01 23:28
MinceR	in very small part	Oct 01 23:28
MinceR	meanwhile russian policies are entirely dictated by power-mad fascist christian fundamentalist nationalists	Oct 01 23:29
msb_	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME! I do not love authoritarianism at all.	Oct 01 23:29
MinceR	also, ex-kgb members	Oct 01 23:29
MinceR	yeah, you do not love authoritarianism, you merely want as many people to be subjected to it as possible	Oct 01 23:29
MinceR	and you are offended if it's criticized in any way	Oct 01 23:29
msb_	But actual Russian policies are not power-mad, nor fascist, nor christian fundamentalist. They are nationalist.	Oct 01 23:30
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarch_Kirill_of_Moscow#Relations_with_the_State	Oct 01 23:30
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MinceR	another link you ignored a while ago	Oct 01 23:31
msb_	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME! "<MinceR> yeah, you do not love authoritarianism, you merely want as many people to be subjected to it as possible"	Oct 01 23:31
MinceR	that's not lying, it's a summary of your campaign here	Oct 01 23:31
MinceR	if you don't want to be seen as promoting authoritarianism, perhaps you should stop promoting it.	Oct 01 23:31
MinceR	so they're radical authoritarian nationalists and yet you deny that they're fascists	Oct 01 23:32
MinceR	i wonder why	Oct 01 23:32
MinceR	and threatening the world with nuclear annihilation is not power-mad to you at all.	Oct 01 23:32
MinceR	i'm sure if the usa was doing the same you'd be foaming at the mouth	Oct 01 23:33
MinceR	unless they first named themselves "socialist" first	Oct 01 23:33
MinceR	do you also deny that putin centralized control over all of the russian state and most (if not all) of the russian economy?	Oct 01 23:33
MinceR	or have you merely failed to even consider that?	Oct 01 23:33
msb_	I never said that Putin is radical, and his authoritarianism is minor. Nationalist means that he works for the benefit of the Russian Federation,	Oct 01 23:35
msb_	None of that amounts to fascism.	Oct 01 23:35
MinceR	minor compared to whose?	Oct 01 23:35
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism	Oct 01 23:36
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MinceR	"Fascism (/fæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe."	Oct 01 23:36
msb_	As to nuclear threats, the US IS doing that, and surrounding Russia with actual nuclear weapons. Russia is not surrounding the US.	Oct 01 23:36
MinceR	the US isn't threatening to employ nuclear weapons as a response to anything other than an imminent nuclear threat	Oct 01 23:36
MinceR	russia is.	Oct 01 23:36
msb_	Putin is not radical, and his authoritarianism is comparatively minor.	Oct 01 23:36
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism	Oct 01 23:37
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MinceR	"National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism (/ˈnaːtsɪzᵊm/), is the ideology and practice associated with the 20th-century German Nazi Party and Nazi state as well as other far-right groups. Usually characterized as a form of fascism that incorporates scientific racism and anti-Semitism"	Oct 01 23:37
MinceR	he has built and is maintaining a centralized state with no independent branches of power.	Oct 01 23:37
msb_	Yes, like Svoboda and Right-Sector.	Oct 01 23:37
MinceR	he has centralized control over its economy	Oct 01 23:37
MinceR	he's strongly authoritarian, brutally suppressing freedom of speech	Oct 01 23:37
msb_	He just had to ask the Duma for permission to send requested weapons and supplies to Syria.	Oct 01 23:38
MinceR	he's conspiring with the russian orthodox church	Oct 01 23:38
MinceR	he's also a nationalist	Oct 01 23:38
MinceR	in summary, he's a fascist and a national socialist.	Oct 01 23:38
msb_	In what way? Attending Kyril's ceremony?	Oct 01 23:38
MinceR	for example, by persecuting Pussy Riot for offending that cult	Oct 01 23:39
MinceR	in exchange kirill keeps advertising putin's reign	Oct 01 23:39
msb_	He's not a socialist. He doesn't practice or advocate socialism, except for some state ownership of industries that the Russia people created until Yeltsin gave them away.	Oct 01 23:39
MinceR	in all practical implementations of socialism, "socialism" means oppression, dictatorship and centralized control of the economy.	Oct 01 23:40
MinceR	this also covers "national socialism", of course	Oct 01 23:40
msb_	Yes. Persecuting Pussy Riot was wrong.	Oct 01 23:40
MinceR	russians merely pretended they were not nationalist or imperialist	Oct 01 23:40
MinceR	in part by pretending they were "councils", not russians	Oct 01 23:41
MinceR	only shallow people don't see through such deceit.	Oct 01 23:41
MinceR	but apparently you only care about a few people prancing about with nazi symbols	Oct 01 23:41
MinceR	it's not the symbols that oppress and exterminate people.	Oct 01 23:41
MinceR	http://europe.newsweek.com/russian-communists-are-turning-christ-327487	Oct 01 23:42
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msb_	Do you realize that capitalism has led to the murders of a hundred million people, and lately the destruction of the Middle East.	Oct 01 23:42
msb_	?	Oct 01 23:42
MinceR	do you realize that "capitalism" is merely an artifact of marx's crazy and failed theories that led several economies into disaster?	Oct 01 23:43
msb_	Marx totally opposed capitalism.	Oct 01 23:43
MinceR	yeah, they invented something and then opposed it	Oct 01 23:43
MinceR	what a hero.	Oct 01 23:43
MinceR	i wonder what solace that gives to the millions of ukrainians murdered in his name.	Oct 01 23:44
msb_	You claim that Marx invented capitalism???	Oct 01 23:44
MinceR	afaik he invented and defined the term	Oct 01 23:44
MinceR	according to his own bullshit ideology	Oct 01 23:44
MinceR	and unfortunately people took it up.	Oct 01 23:44
msb_	He wrote a book called Capital. He didn't invent it.	Oct 01 23:44
MinceR	who did?	Oct 01 23:44
MinceR	as far as i can tell, those who used and promoted market economy did not apply this label to their system originally.	Oct 01 23:46
msb_	ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_capitalism	Oct 01 23:46
MinceR	i don't know that URI scheme.	Oct 01 23:47
msb_	"The history of capitalism can be traced back to early forms of merchant capitalism practiced in Western Europe during the Middle Ages.[1] It began to develop into its modern form during the Early Modern period in the Protestant countries of North-Western Europe, especially the Netherlands and England."	Oct 01 23:47
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_capitalism	Oct 01 23:47
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MinceR	the quote says nothing about who called it that.	Oct 01 23:47
MinceR	http://20committee.com/2014/12/27/putins-orthodox-jihad/	Oct 01 23:49
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msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism	Oct 01 23:50
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MinceR	could you be any less specific?	Oct 01 23:50
msb_	The term capitalist, meaning an owner of capital, appears earlier than the term capitalism. It dates back to the mid-17th century.	Oct 01 23:50
MinceR	say, you could try linking https://en.wikipedia.org/	Oct 01 23:50
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MinceR	so, is being an owner of capital the most important defining feature of market economy?	Oct 01 23:51
MinceR	i don't think it is.	Oct 01 23:51
MinceR	especially when compared to command economy, which you apparently love so much.	Oct 01 23:51
msb_	MinceR: STOP THE PERSONAL ATTACKS!	Oct 01 23:52
MinceR	(then again, you didn't have to live in a country that suffered under command economy, and still hasn't recovered from it to this day)	Oct 01 23:52
MinceR	referring to someone's message is now a personal attack?	Oct 01 23:52
MinceR	in that case, it is impossible to have a discussion.	Oct 01 23:52
msb_	Totally distorting and lying about a person's message is a personal attack, and that's what you do.	Oct 01 23:53
MinceR	no, turning the text of the message into an interpretation of it is not a personal attack, it's text comprehension	Oct 01 23:53
MinceR	(a skill you seem to be lacking)	Oct 01 23:53
MinceR	do you internally operate on character strings or are you engaging in personal attacks?	Oct 01 23:54
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_%28economics%29	Oct 01 23:54
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msb_	Capital is the result of productive human action not immediately consumed but directly employed in the pursuit of additional goods. Adam Smith defines capital as "That part of a man's stock which he expects to afford him revenue is called his capital."	Oct 01 23:55
MinceR	are the means of production "capital"?	Oct 01 23:55
msb_	yes	Oct 01 23:55
MinceR	is your goal to make the means of production available to all workers?	Oct 01 23:56
msb_	but so are service institutions like hospitals	Oct 01 23:56
MinceR	is your goal to make the means of production available to all workers?	Oct 01 23:56
msb_	My goal is to make the means of production owned by all workers	Oct 01 23:57
MinceR	055041 < msb_> The term capitalist, meaning an owner of capital, appears earlier than the term capitalism. It dates back to the mid-17th century.	Oct 01 23:57
MinceR	therefore you want all workers to be capitalists	Oct 01 23:57
MinceR	yet here you are, attacking this phantasm you call "capitalism"	Oct 01 23:57
MinceR	it is quite baffling.	Oct 01 23:57
msb_	The system in which the MOP are owned by all workers is called socialism.	Oct 01 23:58
MinceR	and yet in the systems that were actually implemented and called "socialism" or "national socialism", the workers didn't own anything	Oct 01 23:58
msb_	They did/do in Venezula, Cuba, Vietnam, Nicaragua, Mondragon, and used to in Libya.	Oct 02 00:00
MinceR	no, the state did.	Oct 02 00:00
MinceR	which was controlled by a dictator.	Oct 02 00:00
msb_	In those nations, workers had/have a lot of control over industries and the state.	Oct 02 00:00
msb_	That's your distorted fantasy.	Oct 02 00:00
MinceR	is that why you can't buy toilet paper in venezuela?	Oct 02 00:00
MinceR	is that why all the economies in the eastern bloc were driven into the ground?	Oct 02 00:01
msb_	I'm sure vene	Oct 02 00:01
MinceR	you don't know, but you're "sure"	Oct 02 00:01
MinceR	that's nice	Oct 02 00:01
MinceR	and that that's all the assurance you need to promote people being subjected to a dictatorship is even nicer	Oct 02 00:02
msb_	I'm sure venezuelans are wiping their asses with something. And I did not give the eastern bloc as examples of socialism. That's YOUR crazed obsession.	Oct 02 00:02
MinceR	"i don't know, so let's just put the manacles on their feet already."	Oct 02 00:02
MinceR	you did not, but the people you admire did	Oct 02 00:02
msb_	Whom are you quoting?	Oct 02 00:03
MinceR	for example, the ussr	Oct 02 00:03
MinceR	i'm trying to follow your mental processes.	Oct 02 00:03
msb_	You are following your own insane fantasies.	Oct 02 00:03
MinceR	so history and economics that are uncomfortable to msb_ are mere fantasies	Oct 02 00:03
msb_	You keep attributing to me things I neither said nor think.	Oct 02 00:04
MinceR	to be replaced by the invented reality of marx, lenin and stalin	Oct 02 00:04
MinceR	and of course putin	Oct 02 00:04
MinceR	rushing head-on against reality and demanding that it change to fit one's wishes seems to be a common theme in today's society	Oct 02 00:04
MinceR	but i'm sure it will work out just fine in the battle of overpopulation vs. the limits of the resources available to humanity on earth	Oct 02 00:05
msb_	Ok. You're obviously going to go on with these lies about me indefinitely. Read the CBT pamphlet. Try to understand your erroneous thinking and obsessive emotions. I'm going to have dinner.	Oct 02 00:05
MinceR	or you could try learning about the stuff you keep promoting here	Oct 02 00:06
MinceR	you could read some of the articles i linked	Oct 02 00:06
msb_	I have read all of them.	Oct 02 00:06
MinceR	then you could try re-reading without singing "LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU" while doing so	Oct 02 00:06
MinceR	you could think about how giving massive amounts of power over massive amounts of people to a few damaged individuals worked out for humanity	Oct 02 00:07
MinceR	whether it has ever led to anything other than disaster	Oct 02 00:07
MinceR	you could think about how democracy could possibly function, what are required for it to function	Oct 02 00:08
MinceR	(stuff like freedom of speech)	Oct 02 00:08
cubexyz	ls	Oct 02 00:08
MinceR	you could think about why the separation of church and state is vital	Oct 02 00:08
MinceR	and how fundamentalism ruins democracy and society	Oct 02 00:09
MinceR	you could think about how anyone could truly believe that a dictatorship will just give up its own power in favor of a more equal society	Oct 02 00:09
MinceR	060836 < MinceR> (stuff like freedom of speech)	Oct 02 00:19
MinceR	also, checks and balances	Oct 02 00:19
MinceR	(something russia and hungary don't have)	Oct 02 00:19
TweetTuxMachines	@Group4Networks Cloud Desktop is out! http://t.co/mOa0xPjLsk	Oct 02 02:41
TweetTuxMachines	(paper.li) Stories via @tuxmachines @lschmeiser	Oct 02 02:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li \| Cloud Desktop		Oct 02 02:41
TweetTuxMachines	@JoanieMann	Oct 02 02:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "BATTLETECH has a Linux version offered	Oct 02 03:03
TweetTuxMachines	straight up" http://t.co/6x5s1zWXTD	Oct 02 03:03
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Oct 02 03:03
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwd8m	Oct 02 03:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kubuntu: Plasma 5.4.2 Ready testing! Come join	Oct 02 03:03
TweetTuxMachines	the fun. http://t.co/7zPnxw3UuM	Oct 02 03:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-scarlettgatelyclark.com \| Kubuntu: Plasma 5.4.2 Ready testing! Come join the fun. \| Home of Scarlett Gately Clark		Oct 02 03:03
TweetTuxMachines	(scarlettgatelyclark.com) "Today we have the	Oct 02 03:03
TweetTuxMachines	latest Plasma 5.4.2 ready"	Oct 02 03:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SparkyLinux 4.1 http://t.co/NmC6l3pWy2	Oct 02 03:05
TweetTuxMachines	(sparkylinux.org) "Sparky 4 is based on and	Oct 02 03:05
TweetTuxMachines	fully compatible with Debian testing	Oct 02 03:05
TweetTuxMachines	“Stretch”."	Oct 02 03:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Compact, low power IoT gateway runs Linux on	Oct 02 03:09
TweetTuxMachines	i.MX6 http://t.co/vi0LZNCTbK (linuxgizmos.com)	Oct 02 03:09
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwda4	Oct 02 03:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 3.14.54 http://t.co/NiQw9PCIMp (lwn.net)	Oct 02 03:09
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TweetTuxMachines	and Linux 3.10.90 http://t.co/NiQw9PCIMp	Oct 02 03:09
TweetTuxMachines	(lwn.net)	Oct 02 03:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Qubes 3.0 http://t.co/kM9gMaGj6p	Oct 02 03:09
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TweetTuxMachines	(blog.invisiblethings.org)	Oct 02 03:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines RaspEX Brings Debian 8 and Ubuntu 15.04 to	Oct 02 03:16
TweetTuxMachines	Raspberry Pi 2, Now with SSH and Samba	Oct 02 03:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/YjSg49PqTs (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 02 03:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwdbm	Oct 02 03:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Patches Three Critical Linux Kernel	Oct 02 03:16
TweetTuxMachines	Vulnerabilities in Ubuntu 12.04 LTS	Oct 02 03:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/MF7DKRX8H4 (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 02 03:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines http://t.co/gewrVWzkTK (www.zdnet.com)	Oct 02 03:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| $5 Billion worth of open-source code and counting \| ZDNet		Oct 02 03:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical's Ubuntu Edge Spawned the Current	Oct 02 03:16
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu Phone http://t.co/a51fZqEWYv	Oct 02 03:16
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Oct 02 03:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Canonical's Ubuntu Edge Spawned the Current Ubuntu Phone - Softpedia		Oct 02 03:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwdbq	Oct 02 03:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Sources Claim Microsoft Is Buying	Oct 02 03:23
TweetTuxMachines	Canonical-Ubuntu; Is There Logic Behind The	Oct 02 03:23
TweetTuxMachines	Rumors? http://t.co/9nJW5Okfng (techaeris.com)	Oct 02 03:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techaeris.com \| Sources Claim Microsoft Is Buying Canonical-Ubuntu; Is There Logic Behind The Rumors? \| Techaeris		Oct 02 03:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwddc	Oct 02 03:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "No Background Processing for Apps" in Ubuntu	Oct 02 03:23
TweetTuxMachines	Touch Is Being Debated http://t.co/jPucHYZY3U	Oct 02 03:23
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Oct 02 03:23
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwddd	Oct 02 03:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SparkyLinux 4.1 http://t.co/LeW4W1rHTp	Oct 02 03:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 02 03:23
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| SparkyLinux 4.1 \| Tux Machines		Oct 02 03:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Compact, low power IoT gateway runs Linux on	Oct 02 03:32
TweetTuxMachines	i.MX6 http://t.co/lUrLBgO88p	Oct 02 03:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 02 03:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Compact, low power IoT gateway runs Linux on i.MX6 \| Tux Machines		Oct 02 03:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwdfh	Oct 02 03:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines RaspEX Brings Debian 8 and Ubuntu 15.04 to	Oct 02 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	Raspberry Pi 2, Now with SSH and Samba	Oct 02 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/7yF0aX2AjF (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 02 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwdfi	Oct 02 03:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| RaspEX Brings Debian 8 and Ubuntu 15.04 to Raspberry Pi 2, Now with SSH and Samba \| Tux Machines		Oct 02 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Ubuntu developers have just released a new	Oct 02 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	tool named Pilot" http://t.co/HDW0WheW2z	Oct 02 03:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Users Can Now Help Test and Improve Ubuntu Touch with a Simple App - Softpedia		Oct 02 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com) http://t.co/FmXcOqR8eJ	Oct 02 03:33
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com) #ubuntu #linux	Oct 02 03:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Touch to Get Unity 8 and QtMir Updates, VPN Indicator, and OTA Identification - Softpedia		Oct 02 03:33
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schestowitz	"	Oct 02 05:05
schestowitz	According to a comment posted on the IPKat site, the Vice-President in charge of the EPO Boards of Appeal (known internally as DG3) is on extended sick leave:	Oct 02 05:05
schestowitz	"The present VP3, Mr Van der Eijk, is on unlimited sick leave and thus out of function."	Oct 02 05:05
schestowitz	http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2015/09/epo-focus-of-dutch-newspaper-article.html?showComment=1443609453659#c6725331820387579393	Oct 02 05:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com \| The IPKat: EPO the focus of Dutch newspaper article following suicide [ http://ur1.ca/nwdwb ]		Oct 02 05:05
schestowitz	"	Oct 02 05:05
schestowitz	"Maybe some of your other sources know more about this ?"	Oct 02 05:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 1/10/2015: LFS 7.8, Calculate Linux 15	Oct 02 05:15
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Released http://t.co/wr6LTZulKT	Oct 02 05:15
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz (techrights.org)	Oct 02 05:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwdfn	Oct 02 05:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 1/10/2015: LFS 7.8, Calculate Linux 15 Released \| Techrights		Oct 02 05:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 'Sources' Claim Microsoft Is Buying	Oct 02 05:16
TweetTuxMachines	Canonical-Ubuntu; Other Ubuntu News	Oct 02 05:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/CO7Fha77nH (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 02 05:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| 'Sources' Claim Microsoft Is Buying Canonical-Ubuntu; Other Ubuntu News \| Tux Machines		Oct 02 05:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch to Get Unity 8 and QtMir Updates,	Oct 02 05:51
TweetTuxMachines	VPN Indicator, and OTA Identification	Oct 02 05:51
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/vBqesZbfEH (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 02 05:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwe2p	Oct 02 05:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Touch to Get Unity 8 and QtMir Updates, VPN Indicator, and OTA Identification \| Tux Machines		Oct 02 05:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines If Drupal were a band it would be Rush	Oct 02 05:51
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/qurOSPNIVk (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 02 05:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| If Drupal were a band it would be Rush \| Tux Machines		Oct 02 05:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 24 Release Schedule Published, the	Oct 02 05:51
TweetTuxMachines	Distro Could Arrive on May 17, 2016	Oct 02 05:51
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/KsnMRjsrDF (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 02 05:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Fedora 24 Release Schedule Published, the Distro Could Arrive on May 17, 2016 \| Tux Machines		Oct 02 05:51
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/649898939748077568	Oct 02 06:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz Books survive a remarkably long time - how much of today's electronic media will be readable in 400 years time?		Oct 02 06:51
schestowitz	Depends if proprietary software is in the mix, with non-standard formats too	Oct 02 06:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CompuLab's Mintbox 2 and Mintbox Mini PCs Now	Oct 02 06:54
TweetTuxMachines	Ship with Linux Mint 17.2 Cinnamon	Oct 02 06:54
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/fmjrzf1rON (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 02 06:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwedo	Oct 02 06:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Future of Kontact http://t.co/PriHl3GCcg	Oct 02 06:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 02 06:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Future of Kontact \| Tux Machines		Oct 02 06:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Microsoft-Connected Firm Net Applications Used	Oct 02 06:55
TweetTuxMachines	to Mislead About Vista 10 Share and Mock	Oct 02 06:55
TweetTuxMachines	GNU/Linux http://t.co/rzvvIhWh3K	Oct 02 06:55
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Oct 02 06:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Microsoft-Connected Firm Net Applications Used to Mislead About Vista 10 Share and Mock GNU/Linux \| Techrights		Oct 02 06:55
msb_	http://www.riseearth.com/2015/10/shift-your-perception-one-minute-read.html#more	Oct 02 06:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.riseearth.com \| Shift Your Perception: One Minute Read May Change Your View For a Lifetime! \| RiseEarth [ http://ur1.ca/nwee6 ]		Oct 02 06:57
amonobeax	Has anybody released Microsoft's numbers on Win10?	Oct 02 07:03
msb_	Yes. It is 666.	Oct 02 07:05
amonobeax	lol	Oct 02 07:05
amonobeax	nice	Oct 02 07:05
amonobeax	seriously tho	Oct 02 07:05
schestowitz	amonobeax: hi	Oct 02 07:05
amonobeax	I keep hearing it's a big success	Oct 02 07:05
schestowitz	not Microsoft	Oct 02 07:05
schestowitz	their Hamdi or whatever exec said something	Oct 02 07:06
schestowitz	but not concrete numbers	Oct 02 07:06
schestowitz	more like an infographics	Oct 02 07:06
amonobeax	but for a company which already owns 95% of the desktop market share	Oct 02 07:06
amonobeax	I don't think this is true...	Oct 02 07:06
schestowitz	as Microsoft's Endstromm-sourced PR head (forgot his name) did re Vista 7	Oct 02 07:06
schestowitz	They always find some clever ways to lie	Oct 02 07:06
schestowitz	without giving the hard numbers	Oct 02 07:06
schestowitz	the PR man was Shaw	Oct 02 07:06
schestowitz	can't recall his first name, I know their tactics	Oct 02 07:07
schestowitz	they're PROFESSIONAL liars	Oct 02 07:07
schestowitz	how to lie without being accused as such	Oct 02 07:07
schestowitz	[12:05] <amonobeax> I keep hearing it's a big success	Oct 02 07:07
schestowitz	who from?	Oct 02 07:07
schestowitz	[12:06] <amonobeax> but for a company which already owns 95% of the desktop market share	Oct 02 07:07
amonobeax	Maybe we'll know the data when they have to talk to inverstors	Oct 02 07:07
schestowitz	not 95%	Oct 02 07:07
schestowitz	not anymore	Oct 02 07:07
schestowitz	amonobeax: no, they don't have an obligation to tell investors that	Oct 02 07:07
amonobeax	not obligation, ok, but who will invest into your company without data...	Oct 02 07:08
amonobeax	that's too dumb even for M$	Oct 02 07:08
amonobeax	I heard it from a couple of tech sites	Oct 02 07:09
msb_	Did MS automatically without charge upgrade all copies of windows 8 to windows 10?	Oct 02 07:09
amonobeax	I know Windows is auto downloading win10	Oct 02 07:10
amonobeax	but auto installing idk	Oct 02 07:10
msb_	I thought I saw that somewhere.	Oct 02 07:10
amonobeax	but it's 1 step from it really	Oct 02 07:10
amonobeax	maybe you're right then	Oct 02 07:10
msb_	If they include those automatic copies of w10, they can claim huge success even though nobody really wanted it.	Oct 02 07:11
amonobeax	true	Oct 02 07:11
amonobeax	I'm curious about what are they going to do when they have a big chunk of the market share on win10	Oct 02 07:12
msb_	Anyhow, success for microsoft is injury to humanity.	Oct 02 07:12
amonobeax	cause then they'll start closing the trap	Oct 02 07:12
msb_	But sadly, the same is true for systemd.	Oct 02 07:12
amonobeax	sry for my ignorance	Oct 02 07:13
amonobeax	don't even know what this is	Oct 02 07:13
schestowitz	microsoft can count downloads	Oct 02 07:13
schestowitz	as in, how many PCs they 'threw' the blob at	Oct 02 07:13
schestowitz	but anyway, it all boils down to definitions	Oct 02 07:13
schestowitz	that's how Microsoft always games the numbers	Oct 02 07:14
schestowitz	like claiming an enterprise eligible to 100 Vista 7 installs counts as "100 sales"	Oct 02 07:14
schestowitz	as they did at the time	Oct 02 07:14
schestowitz	they try to sell people the illusion that everyone is movin g	Oct 02 07:14
schestowitz	invoking cattle effect	Oct 02 07:14
msb_	It's a huge blob of software from Red Hat that violates Unix/Linux design/engineering principles, and which, despite being unnecessary, has been adopted by most major Linux distributions.	Oct 02 07:14
schestowitz	and then some people foolishly move/change	Oct 02 07:14
schestowitz	self-fulfilling prophecies.	Oct 02 07:15
amonobeax	awww I heard about it I guess msb_	Oct 02 07:15
amonobeax	If it's clearly harmful why distros are embracing it ?	Oct 02 07:15
msb_	The US govt is RedHat's biggest customer. Systemd may in the future provide a backdoor for the US govt to kill all Linux computers that use it.	Oct 02 07:16
amonobeax	schestowitz: what is really bothering me right now is the fact that M$ could be stealing opensource code	Oct 02 07:16
schestowitz	the distro they made?	Oct 02 07:16
amonobeax	and we can't do shit cause they are close sourced	Oct 02 07:16
msb_	That's a big question. We haven't been able to figure out the answer.	Oct 02 07:16
schestowitz	if they don't release, then gpl won't force them to	Oct 02 07:16
schestowitz	unlike agpl	Oct 02 07:17
schestowitz	if only used internally for azure	Oct 02 07:17
schestowitz	but microsoft is so secretive	Oct 02 07:17
schestowitz	that we don't know what code is used, when, how...	Oct 02 07:17
schestowitz	Microsoft has a history of GPL violations	Oct 02 07:17
schestowitz	in China and in Linux, not sure the China one was GPL	Oct 02 07:17
schestowitz	Juko?	Oct 02 07:18
schestowitz	Something like that	Oct 02 07:18
schestowitz	I forgot the company's name	Oct 02 07:18
schestowitz	I can look it up, wrote a lot about it at the time	Oct 02 07:18
amonobeax	Again msb_, if it's clear that it's harmful why the adoption ?	Oct 02 07:18
amonobeax	are distro dev's crazy?	Oct 02 07:19
amonobeax	or something	Oct 02 07:19
msb_	Bribery, threats, stupidity, are all possibilities.	Oct 02 07:19
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amonobeax	I'll read more about it	Oct 02 07:20
amonobeax	I guess I saw a video in which Linus himself say systemd was ok	Oct 02 07:21
amonobeax	so I really don't know what to think	Oct 02 07:21
msb_	All the evil that's been going on in the world. The US govt destr0ying half a dozen nations and murdering millions. There's no limit to what it may be doing secretly.	Oct 02 07:21
msb_	Linus' concern is only the kernel, and systemd is outside the kernel.	Oct 02 07:22
amonobeax	still this was his opinion on the matter	Oct 02 07:22
amonobeax	I guess it was on a Debian thingy	Oct 02 07:22
msb_	Still you would think that he and Richard Stallman would have spoken out against it. But they haven't.	Oct 02 07:23
msb_	People are working on a Debian variant called Devuan without systemd, but with up-to-date application and system software.	Oct 02 07:24
msb_	It's our best hope.	Oct 02 07:24
amonobeax	I see	Oct 02 07:24
amonobeax	isn't systemd switchable in most distros?	Oct 02 07:25
msb_	No. Not in any.	Oct 02 07:25
msb_	The initialization setup with and without it are very different.	Oct 02 07:26
schestowitz	people are afraid of criticising systemd now	Oct 02 07:26
schestowitz	it's stigmatisied with homophobia and other things now	Oct 02 07:26
amonobeax	what	Oct 02 07:27
schestowitz	even with mono there was no such stigma	Oct 02 07:27
amonobeax	homophobia, why	Oct 02 07:27
schestowitz	the only stigma was "anti-Microsoft"	Oct 02 07:27
schestowitz	because LP is a homosexual	Oct 02 07:27
amonobeax	omg...	Oct 02 07:27
schestowitz	and some people trolled him over systemd in an abusive, personal fashion	Oct 02 07:27
msb_	First time I've heard that!	Oct 02 07:27
amonobeax	I'm no tech guy	Oct 02 07:28
schestowitz	so if you don't like systemd -> you hate LP -> you're harassing homosexuals	Oct 02 07:28
amonobeax	so swtching defaults is really painful for me	Oct 02 07:28
amonobeax	I'll keep track on things tho	Oct 02 07:28
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Microsoft-Connected Firm Net Applications Used to Mislead About...'		Oct 02 07:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/mIaOlBsjay	Oct 02 07:28
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 02 07:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Oct 02 07:28
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schestowitz	IMHO, far from the first time women's right and gay/LGBT rights are exploited within FOSS	Oct 02 07:29
msb_	I've used Suse Linux for 15 years. Before this it was superbly designed. Now I'll be very sad to leave it.	Oct 02 07:29
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schestowitz	don't leave, it'll be fine	Oct 02 07:30
msb_	There's another matter that a guy here called cubexyz has explained in detail. There are secret backdoors in the BIOS of many computers that can allow the govt to come in and control them.	Oct 02 07:30
schestowitz	There are attacks on it from provocatuers who want power	Oct 02 07:30
schestowitz	Microsoft, IBM, Intel...	Oct 02 07:30
schestowitz	you can't just decide to defect because it's no longer underdog	Oct 02 07:31
schestowitz	meaning many want to dominate it and try to take it under their own (C), like Red Hat with syustemd	Oct 02 07:31
schestowitz	msb_: also HDD firmware	Oct 02 07:31
schestowitz	!google hard drive nsa	Oct 02 07:32
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - How the NSA's Firmware Hacking Works and Why It's So Unsettling ... \| http://www.wired.com/2015/02/nsa-firmware-hacking/	Oct 02 07:32
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Your hard drives were RIDDLED with NSA SPYWARE for YEARS ... \| http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/17/kaspersky_labs_equation_group/	Oct 02 07:32
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - There's no way of knowing if the NSA's spyware is on your hard drive \| http://www.computerworld.com/article/2885069/theres-no-way-of-knowing-if-the-nsas-spyware-is-on-your-hard-drive.html	Oct 02 07:32
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - NSA planted surveillance software on hard drives, report says - CNET \| http://www.cnet.com/news/nsa-planted-surveillance-software-on-hard-drives-report/	Oct 02 07:32
msb_	schestowitz: If you're talking to me, I'm leaving Suse because it has been ruined with systemd.	Oct 02 07:32
schestowitz	suse works with NSA	Oct 02 07:32
schestowitz	SUSE did	Oct 02 07:32
schestowitz	SuSE	Oct 02 07:32
schestowitz	I think Novell did too, thereafter	Oct 02 07:32
schestowitz	I think that them and Red Hat worked on the build process	Oct 02 07:32
schestowitz	which inspired no confidence, quite the contrary	Oct 02 07:32
schestowitz	they can add some 90th minute one liner	Oct 02 07:32
schestowitz	!google one line X server critical hole	Oct 02 07:33
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Extremely critical crypto flaw in iOS may also affect fully patched ... \| http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/02/extremely-critical-crypto-flaw-in-ios-may-also-affect-fully-patched-macs/	Oct 02 07:33
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Anatomy of a 22-year-old X Window bug: Get root with newly ... \| http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/09/x11_has_privilege_escalation_bug/	Oct 02 07:33
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Apple security bug: A critical flaw was extraordinarily simple. - Slate \| http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/02/apple_security_bug_a_critical_flaw_was_extraordinarily_simple.html	Oct 02 07:33
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - ImperialViolet - Apple's SSL/TLS bug \| https://www.imperialviolet.org/2014/02/22/applebug.html	Oct 02 07:33
schestowitz	should be something about a single character	Oct 02 07:33
schestowitz	in a conditional statement	Oct 02 07:33
schestowitz	not nested with " IIRC	Oct 02 07:33
schestowitz	and causing remote exploit through the frame buffer/graphics	Oct 02 07:33
schestowitz	around 2006	Oct 02 07:33
schestowitz	But it's too old to be easily locatable on the web now	Oct 02 07:34
msb_	It's something like that that I anticipate being done with systemd.	Oct 02 07:34
schestowitz	I also now struggle to find the article that says NSA works with SUSE on building the distro	Oct 02 07:34
schestowitz	SLES/D	Oct 02 07:34
schestowitz	I think I covered it and linked to it around 2007	Oct 02 07:34
schestowitz	and it was from a credible source	Oct 02 07:34
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schestowitz	so I don't trust SUSE	Oct 02 07:34
schestowitz	!google binary bridges SUSE Novell techrights	Oct 02 07:34
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - 2007 September \| Techrights \| http://techrights.org/2007/09/	Oct 02 07:34
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Mono - Techrights \| http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Mono	Oct 02 07:34
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schestowitz	I got mocked by some people at the time for this	Oct 02 07:35
schestowitz	It was mostly just links publicly-available at the time	Oct 02 07:35
schestowitz	well before the NSA leaks	Oct 02 07:35
schestowitz	techrights.org/2008/04/30/binary-bridges-and-security/	Oct 02 07:36
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2008/04/30/binary-bridges-and-security/	Oct 02 07:36
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msb_	Anyhow, to have a reliable computer, it's now necessary to use a Tyan motherboard with Libreboot open-source BIOS, and Devuan Linux (when it's ready).	Oct 02 07:36
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/649910151810547712	Oct 02 07:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @schestowitz @FOSSpatents thanks, weird stuff...		Oct 02 07:37
schestowitz	msb_: keep it up to date, the bios is the least among your worries if you don't	Oct 02 07:37
msb_	Of course that won't work for people who want to use a computer they already have.	Oct 02 07:37
schestowitz	and don't install any blobs	Oct 02 07:37
schestowitz	not even graphics driver from nvidia	Oct 02 07:37
schestowitz	firmware MIGHT be less harmful an addition	Oct 02 07:37
schestowitz	IIRC you used Skype?	Oct 02 07:38
schestowitz	That alone is a nasty blob	Oct 02 07:38
schestowitz	and it's now known what it does	Oct 02 07:38
msb_	Occasionally.	Oct 02 07:38
schestowitz	I don't even install Adobe Reader anymore	Oct 02 07:38
schestowitz	it tracks page flips, or used to	Oct 02 07:38
schestowitz	until caught	Oct 02 07:38
schestowitz	so you're pursuing libreboot for security, but then put Skype on top of it?	Oct 02 07:39
msb_	Does skype act as malware?	Oct 02 07:39
schestowitz	yes	Oct 02 07:40
schestowitz	for a fact	Oct 02 07:40
msb_	In what way?	Oct 02 07:40
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Skype_is_Spy_Campaign	Oct 02 07:40
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schestowitz	[05:19] <MinceR> also, checks and balances	Oct 02 07:41
schestowitz	[05:19] <MinceR> (something russia and hungary don't have)	Oct 02 07:41
schestowitz	neither do we	Oct 02 07:41
TweetTuxMachines	@agente_smithe RT @tuxmachines: Microsoft-Connected Firm Net	Oct 02 07:41
TweetTuxMachines	Applications Used to Mislead About Vista 10	Oct 02 07:41
TweetTuxMachines	Share and Mock GNU/Linux http://t.co/MnQ1TKYTIE	Oct 02 07:41
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @agente_smithe: 'RT @tuxmachines: Microsoft-Connected Firm Net Applications Used to...'		Oct 02 07:41
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schestowitz	sire overloaded atm	Oct 02 07:47
schestowitz	epo lunch break?	Oct 02 07:47
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649914425089073152 https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649914762713780224	Oct 02 07:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz @glynmoody There is no indication of MSFT being corrupt as it's merely taking advantage of the EPO's approach		Oct 02 07:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz @glynmoody I once saw a document relating to this kind of practice that listed approx. 10 companies.		Oct 02 07:52
schestowitz	Can you recall some company names?	Oct 02 07:53
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/649915641479217152 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/649915799273107457 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/649915973995249664	Oct 02 07:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: .@FOSSpatents @glynmoody Also, Bloomberg News just said #microsoft to lobby(ed) re #upc i.e. #epo so may have created this loophole for self		Oct 02 07:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: .@FOSSpatents @glynmoody And it is hard to forget you had contracts with #microsoft while/after you had attacked Microsoft's rivals		Oct 02 07:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: .@FOSSpatents @glynmoody For the time being we know of no company other than #microsoft playing back room games with #epo - so why distract?		Oct 02 07:58
msb_	I decided long ago that privacy is impossible. The govt can put a bug in my apartment, or bounce an IR laser beam off a window pane, and hear everything I say.	Oct 02 08:01
msb_	I'm sure the NSA can break PGP or any other encryption I could use.	Oct 02 08:02
msb_	I just hope the eavesdroppers will learn something from my communications.	Oct 02 08:03
*TweetTuxMachines @deusexstigma retweeted @agente_smithe: 'RT @tuxmachines: Microsoft-Connected Firm Net Applications Used to...'		Oct 02 08:06
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649917787247349760	Oct 02 08:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz @glynmoody Yesterday I declared Google the strategic winner of the patent spat with MSFT.		Oct 02 08:08
schestowitz	yes, I saw that and added to a future (to be published) draft	Oct 02 08:08
schestowitz	still recovering (catching up after) a vacation, so backlog is massive	Oct 02 08:09
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649917548016873472	Oct 02 08:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz @glynmoody I may find and share that document		Oct 02 08:09
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649918614842273792	Oct 02 08:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz @glynmoody Ask your EPO sources for this 2/16/2015 official memo: "Closer contacts with major applicants"		Oct 02 08:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 24 Release Schedule Published, the	Oct 02 08:23
TweetTuxMachines	Distro Could Arrive on May 17, 2016	Oct 02 08:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CompuLab's Mintbox 2 and Mintbox Mini PCs Now	Oct 02 08:24
TweetTuxMachines	Ship with Linux Mint 17.2 Cinnamon	Oct 02 08:24
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Future of Kontact https://t.co/52ZVoevMRf	Oct 02 08:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Huawei’s first Android Wear watch is a	Oct 02 08:30
TweetTuxMachines	beautiful yet basic timepiece	Oct 02 08:30
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/KNa1v4UEuy (arstechnica.com)	Oct 02 08:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines EC to increase open source for software	Oct 02 08:30
TweetTuxMachines	development http://t.co/qwo1HwvkD8	Oct 02 08:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Apache Foundation retains informal vibe to	Oct 02 08:32
TweetTuxMachines	manage $1m of open-source projects	Oct 02 08:32
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TweetTuxMachines	beautiful yet basic timepiece	Oct 02 08:32
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649925557170401280	Oct 02 08:42
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MinceR	131556 < amonobeax> If it's clearly harmful why distros are embracing it ?	Oct 02 09:41
MinceR	probably because gnome threatened to depend on it	Oct 02 09:41
MinceR	and now they do	Oct 02 09:41
MinceR	also many people fell for the new shiny crap and stared slack-jawed at the list of alleged features	Oct 02 09:42
MinceR	just like in the m$/crApple world, it doesn't matter if it works, the only things that matter are that it must be shiny and the brochure must list a ton of features	Oct 02 09:43
MinceR	https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/i-purchased-domain-googlecom-via-google-domains-sanmay-ved	Oct 02 09:45
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MinceR	http://orig01.deviantart.net/8fd0/f/2011/123/e/7/mother_gaia_by_humon-d3fh24i.jpg	Oct 02 10:24
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msb_	MinceR: I want to ask you a question. You are constantly posting about how you think Putin is going to enslave and blow up the whole world. But the actual _actions_ of the US since 2001 of destr0ying four nations by bombing and strafing, murdering millions of people, and arming tens of thousands of psychopath jihadis, creating ISIL -- that doesn't seem to bother you at all. Why is that?	Oct 02 11:03
MinceR	you have yet to prove that the US is responsible for these things. they've done plenty of real evil that's worth discussing here	Oct 02 11:03
MinceR	and is more relevant to this channel	Oct 02 11:04
MinceR	instead you focus on conspiracy theories and assume that since the US is evil and putin is opposed to it, he must be good	Oct 02 11:04
MinceR	(which does not follow)	Oct 02 11:04
msb_	MinceR: You ignored my question. You constantly post here claims about what Putin will do in the future. So you think that's relevant. Are you now saying that you don't believe that the US has invaded and destr0yed Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria?	Oct 02 11:07
MinceR	i don't know to what extent is the destruction of those countries the US's influence	Oct 02 11:08
MinceR	often they've taken down local dictatorships in the hope that it would be replaced with something better, but it wasn't	Oct 02 11:08
MinceR	and they might well have had evil intentions behind it	Oct 02 11:09
MinceR	but i mostly see speculation from you	Oct 02 11:09
MinceR	afaik ISIL filled a power vacuum too	Oct 02 11:10
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msb_	This is amazing: " <MinceR> i don't know to what extent is the destruction of those countries the US's influence" Influence??? Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya were all destr0yed by US/NATO weapons and soldiers -- nothing else. Most of Syria has been destr0yed by US bombing and tens of thousands of US-armed jihadis. You don't know that???	Oct 02 11:14
MinceR	afaik kadhafi and the ISIL are not the US	Oct 02 11:14
MinceR	and afaik the successor regimes were also not the US	Oct 02 11:14
msb_	Gaddafi didn't harm Libya. He gave the people the highest standard of living of any nation in Africa. Reagan armed and financed the Mujahideen, which became Al-Qaeda, which became ISIL. ISIL is armed with US weapons from the jihadis that the US trained as its proxies, and who defected to ISIL.	Oct 02 11:18
msb_	The successor regimes controlled those nations after the US soldiers and weapons bombed and destr0yed their infrastructure and murdered millions of their people.	Oct 02 11:20
MinceR	so if the USA fucks up and gives weapons to someone, that someone becomes part of the USA? or a representative of the USA?	Oct 02 11:20
MinceR	will they take orders from the USA? will they adopt the culture of the USA?	Oct 02 11:21
msb_	It does if the US intentionally does that over and over again.	Oct 02 11:21
MinceR	also, you keep quoting the russian government's excuses for what they do. has it ever occurred to you that the us government also has excuses for what they do?	Oct 02 11:22
msb_	But you are ignoring the initial US attacks that wrecked those countries and killed their people. Why are you ignoring that?	Oct 02 11:22
MinceR	i'm not ignoring it	Oct 02 11:22
MinceR	i was trying to point out the official reasons for them, which may or may not have been entirely honest	Oct 02 11:23
MinceR	also, libya was originally wrecked by kadhafi, afaik	Oct 02 11:23
MinceR	many other middle eastern countries were wrecked by their own local dictators	Oct 02 11:23
MinceR	interestingly when the russian government claims they're "protecting ethnic russians" when they invade ukraine or estonia, you believe that claim without any thought	Oct 02 11:24
msb_	This video tells what Gaddafi did in Libya, and shows him riding through Tripoli in an open car with the people cheering him. Please download and watch it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJURNC0e6Ek	Oct 02 11:25
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MinceR	it's on the internet, so it's got to be true!	Oct 02 11:25
MinceR	but if it doesn't agree with one's preconceptions, then it's CIA propaganda, therefore false	Oct 02 11:26
msb_	OK, I just wanted to see. If you were a US agent, your answers would be exactly the same as the ones you've given. You conceal your name, age, and e-mail address. There are several possible explanations for your bizarre ideas and behavior. I don't know which one is true.	Oct 02 11:30
MinceR	if you were a putinist troll army member, your answers would be exactly the same as the ones you've given	Oct 02 11:31
MinceR	and that also explains your bizarre obsession with conspiracy theories and total gullibility	Oct 02 11:31
msb_	But you parrot all US lying propaganda, and you post articles from sites like Radio Free Europe, which is totally run by the US govt.	Oct 02 11:31
MinceR	you parrot all russian lying propaganda, and you post articles from sites like RT, which is totally run by the russian government	Oct 02 11:32
MinceR	and you do not only support putin's russia, you also support the ussr	Oct 02 11:33
MinceR	while you claim to be opposing fascism	Oct 02 11:33
MinceR	which is ludicrous	Oct 02 11:33
msb_	The US govt claims that the 9/11 and chemtrail research are mere "conspiracy theories", which is what you say. But you have yet to point out any error in the information I've give of that research.	Oct 02 11:33
MinceR	i have pointed out several	Oct 02 11:34
MinceR	which you then ignored, of course	Oct 02 11:34
msb_	And you have yet to point out any erroneous information broadcast by RT.	Oct 02 11:34
MinceR	see above	Oct 02 11:34
MinceR	you're awfully repetitive and circular	Oct 02 11:34
MinceR	have you read about what contrails are and how they work?	Oct 02 11:35
MinceR	have you heard of occam's razor?	Oct 02 11:35
msb_	Of course. Chemtrails are far more persistent, and material that settles from them contains aluminum and barium. Chemtrails cannot possibly be contrails.	Oct 02 11:36
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MinceR	persistence depends on atmospheric conditions	Oct 02 11:37
MinceR	and i doubt you've flied there and sampled the contrails for aluminium and barium	Oct 02 11:38
msb_	I guess you have not accessed the information on http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/ even though I've given the link several times.	Oct 02 11:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geoengineeringwatch.org \| Geoengineering Watch \| Exposing the climate engineering/geoengineering cover-up		Oct 02 11:38
MinceR	people shoot a picture of contrails displaced by air currents on an air corridor and believe it's intentionally covering an area with chemicals	Oct 02 11:39
msb_	So unless I've done the analysis myself, you don't believe it. Many people have analyzed the precipitates and found aluminum and barium.	Oct 02 11:39
MinceR	people see the appearance of a contrail change as the plane passes into different conditions (temperature, humidity, etc.) and decide they must have turned a valve on or off	Oct 02 11:39
MinceR	who analyzed them and how did they gain access to them?	Oct 02 11:39
MinceR	what have they compared them to?	Oct 02 11:39
msb_	You're getting this from a US propaganda site, aren't you?	Oct 02 11:40
MinceR	is there an answer to that question that would affect your thinking in any way?	Oct 02 11:40
msb_	They put out petri dishes, and analyzed the white stuff that fell into them.	Oct 02 11:40
MinceR	also, i wonder if this is yet another case of confusing elements with chemical compounds that include them	Oct 02 11:40
MinceR	where did the "white stuff" fall into the petri dishes?	Oct 02 11:41
MinceR	and where were the petri dishes? on the ground?	Oct 02 11:41
msb_	In lots of places underneath chemtrails.	Oct 02 11:41
MinceR	so they gathered whatever the wind blew into their petri dishes	Oct 02 11:41
MinceR	and whatever was in the dishes from before	Oct 02 11:41
MinceR	didn't even care to check it against areas that were not under contrails	Oct 02 11:42
MinceR	and made up wild speculations from that	Oct 02 11:42
MinceR	how very scientific.	Oct 02 11:42
msb_	Where are you getting these "explanations" from?	Oct 02 11:42
MinceR	common sense	Oct 02 11:42
msb_	And the US govt "debunking" sites give exactly the same kind of BS.	Oct 02 11:43
MinceR	so, science is bullshit now	Oct 02 11:44
MinceR	because it gainsays what people who know nothing about contrails made up	Oct 02 11:44
MinceR	(which is far more complicated than the truth)	Oct 02 11:44
MinceR	it's a familiar pattern	Oct 02 11:44
MinceR	making up overcomplicated bullshit about stuff people don't understand, and then dismissing anything that falsifies them	Oct 02 11:44
MinceR	it's usually called religion	Oct 02 11:45
msb_	Well, MinceR, you've certainly let it all hang out in this conversation. It's a keeper!	Oct 02 11:46
MinceR	as usual, conversing with you is a waste of time	Oct 02 11:46
msb_	It's like talking to someone who, from psychosis or post-hypnotic suggestion, believes they're Napoleon, and trying to convince them that they're not. They ignore the questions, claim they've already answered them, refuse to access data proving they're not Napoleon, give BS answers that they insist answer the questions but don't.	Oct 02 11:55
MinceR	yes, talking to you is exactly like that	Oct 02 11:57
MinceR	and then you project your mental illnesses onto everybody	Oct 02 11:57
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/current-bios-situation.png	Oct 02 12:03
msb_	Should that be "AMI" instead of "AMT" ?	Oct 02 12:05
cubexyz	no	Oct 02 12:05
cubexyz	It's Intel's Active Management Technology	Oct 02 12:05
msb_	What's AMT?	Oct 02 12:05
msb_	Ah. Great picture!	Oct 02 12:06
cubexyz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Active_Management_Technology	Oct 02 12:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Intel Active Management Technology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nwgdc ]		Oct 02 12:07
cubexyz	you probably want a motherboard without AMT	Oct 02 12:07
MinceR	and you probably can't have one	Oct 02 12:08
cubexyz	evidently they are up to Intel AMT 9.0 now	Oct 02 12:12
cubexyz	Intel VPro kicks in around 2007	Oct 02 12:14
cubexyz	so if your computer is older than that you don't have it	Oct 02 12:14
cubexyz	Cory Doctorow was actually late in warning people about the attack on general purpose computing	Oct 02 12:16
cubexyz	his talk was in 2012	Oct 02 12:16
cubexyz	I can say with good confidence that there's nothing in the old BIOS to worry about up to 1999	Oct 02 12:18
cubexyz	there's no TCP/IP stack, no way to phone home	Oct 02 12:18
cubexyz	nothing bad other than the fact it's proprietary closed source	Oct 02 12:19
cubexyz	the badness in computers stems from the WIPO Copyright Treaty	Oct 02 12:21
cubexyz	e.g. making it illegal to unlock DRM	Oct 02 12:22
cubexyz	that appeared in 1996	Oct 02 12:23
cubexyz	signed in 1996, effective law in 2002	Oct 02 12:23
cubexyz	WIPO Copyright Treaty is implemented in the United States via the DMCA	Oct 02 12:24
cubexyz	http://www.pcworld.com/article/2901262/microsoft-tightens-windows-10s-secure-boot-screws-where-does-that-leave-linux.html	Oct 02 12:34
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cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/generic-8088-bios.asm.txt	Oct 02 13:24
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/649997822612385792 https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/649997889368948736	Oct 02 13:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: RT @karthik_ak: more people use linux than Windows http://t.co/MnQ1TKYTIE ,and Microsoft wants to hide it		Oct 02 13:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Microsoft-Connected Firm Net Applications Used to Mislead About Vista 10 Share and Mock GNU/Linux \| Techrights		Oct 02 13:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: RT @TooShortForAnyt: Welcome to the new Microsoft. Same as the old Microsoft. http://t.co/csLFw4hpw1 I knew it was all too good to be true.		Oct 02 13:27
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649937626645049344	Oct 02 13:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz The document also lists "selected directors" that serve certain companies with backroom deals. The author's name is "J. Scott".		Oct 02 13:33
cubexyz	new computers have a microcontroller with a full network stack	Oct 02 13:34
cubexyz	not sure if this is true in every case	Oct 02 13:34
cubexyz	Intel calls this the "Management Engine"	Oct 02 13:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649937626645049344 https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649937834640584704 https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649938030787231744	Oct 02 13:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz "The lowest applicant selected, Microsoft, filed 600 applications. All in the top 12 file over 1000 ..."		Oct 02 13:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz "Many of these applicants have been chosen because of the strength of existing contacts, which will facilitate" and so forth.		Oct 02 13:35
cubexyz	the ME firmware is signed by Intel and if it doesn't verify the signature the x86 cpu will not boot	Oct 02 13:36
cubexyz	even the Purism Laptop has it	Oct 02 13:36
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649914425089073152	Oct 02 13:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz @glynmoody There is no indication of MSFT being corrupt as it's merely taking advantage of the EPO's approach		Oct 02 13:37
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/649914762713780224	Oct 02 13:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz @glynmoody I once saw a document relating to this kind of practice that listed approx. 10 companies.		Oct 02 13:37
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/dockernews/status/649944237732028416	Oct 02 13:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dockernews: Sources Claim Microsoft Is Buying Canonical-Ubuntu; Is There Logic Behind... http://t.co/CXmc9FY2LH via @schestowitz http://t.co/aNPIpIF8uv		Oct 02 13:37
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cubexyz	even the Purism Laptop is blob-city	Oct 02 13:38
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MinceR	http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/05/robert-farago/gang-bangers-painting-orange-tips-on-real-guns/	Oct 02 13:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.thetruthaboutguns.com \| Gang Bangers Painting Orange Tips on Real Guns - The Truth About Guns [ http://ur1.ca/nwh7y ]		Oct 02 13:46
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/650004543623856129	Oct 02 13:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz EPO = institutionalized excess		Oct 02 13:50
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schestowitz	[18:36] <cubexyz> even the Purism Laptop has it	Oct 02 14:14
schestowitz	Purism is widely criticised by some as just a PR ploy	Oct 02 14:14
schestowitz	"Pure PM"	Oct 02 14:14
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/TooShortForAnyt/status/650010950888738816	Oct 02 14:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TooShortForAnyt: @dockernews @schestowitz Given Ubuntu’s bug #1 (https://t.co/n1zCkuhHax), I seriously doubt this. OTOH, it would put RedHat back on top.		Oct 02 14:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> bugs.launchpad.net \| Bug #1 (liberation) “Microsoft has a majority market share” : Bugs : Ubuntu		Oct 02 14:15
schestowitz	Rumours of MSFT buying canonical	Oct 02 14:16
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schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3n5r0o/the_microsoft_loves_linux_baloney_is_still_being/	Oct 02 14:18
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schestowitz	might reach 300 comments	Oct 02 14:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CompuLab's Mintbox 2 and Mintbox Mini PCs Now	Oct 02 15:07
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Ship with Linux Mint 17.2 Cinnamon	Oct 02 15:07
TweetTuxMachines	@whosweedugg http://t.co/fmjrzf1rON (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 02 15:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwhsd	Oct 02 15:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| CompuLab's Mintbox 2 and Mintbox Mini PCs Now Ship with Linux Mint 17.2 Cinnamon \| Tux Machines		Oct 02 15:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Facebook gives Android a kick in the byte code	Oct 02 15:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/m1cVWhz5ne (www.infoworld.com)	Oct 02 15:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infoworld.com \| Facebook gives Android a kick in the byte code \| InfoWorld		Oct 02 15:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 13 of the best Android apps from September	Oct 02 15:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/8lUMGuxJUu (thenextweb.com)	Oct 02 15:07
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenextweb.com \| 13 of the best Android apps from September 2015		Oct 02 15:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wine Announcement https://t.co/FkyakRZcEH	Oct 02 15:13
TweetTuxMachines	(www.winehq.org) " The Wine development release	Oct 02 15:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.winehq.org \| WineHQ - Wine Announcement - The Wine development release 1.7.52 is now available.		Oct 02 15:13
TweetTuxMachines	1.7.52 is now available."	Oct 02 15:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwhu4	Oct 02 15:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why your Linux PC isn't vulnerable to the	Oct 02 15:13
TweetTuxMachines	devastating XOR DDoS malware	Oct 02 15:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/5ExM1XRSJl (www.pcworld.com)	Oct 02 15:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com \| Why your Linux PC isn't vulnerable to the devastating XOR DDoS malware \| PCWorld		Oct 02 15:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwhu5	Oct 02 15:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A look at ... game development strategy	Oct 02 15:13
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/EOWtGjT2Pq (opensource.com) "Linux	Oct 02 15:13
TweetTuxMachines	and the numerous GNU packages is what really	Oct 02 15:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| Interview with Battle for Wesnoth contributors Ignacio R. Morelle and Charles Dang \| Opensource.com		Oct 02 15:13
TweetTuxMachines	piqued my interest"	Oct 02 15:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro 15.09 "Bellatrix" Gets Its Fist Update	Oct 02 15:14
TweetTuxMachines	with Lots of New Packages	Oct 02 15:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/RJRHqUFb85 (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 02 15:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Manjaro 15.09 "Bellatrix" Gets Its Fist Update with Lots of New Packages - Softpedia		Oct 02 15:14
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wood Kubb Is a Small and Powerful PC Made from	Oct 02 15:14
TweetTuxMachines	Wood and with Linux Mint http://t.co/TOWgMNPSR7	Oct 02 15:14
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Oct 02 15:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Wood Kubb Is a Small and Powerful PC Made from Wood and with Linux Mint - Softpedia		Oct 02 15:14
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Anniversary of First Linux Kernel Release: A	Oct 02 15:14
TweetTuxMachines	Look at Collaborative Value	Oct 02 15:14
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/sh9QVRS7cB (www.linux.com)	Oct 02 15:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwhue	Oct 02 15:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com \| Anniversary of First Linux Kernel Release: A Look at Collaborative Value \| Linux.com		Oct 02 15:14
tessier	schestowitz: Saw your story highly upvoted on /r/linux. Congrats!	Oct 02 16:09
gde33\|2	https://twitter.com/Snowden	Oct 02 16:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-twitter.com \| Edward Snowden (@Snowden) \| Twitter		Oct 02 16:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Debian dropping the Linux Standard Base	Oct 02 16:27
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/FQfLnUigR7 (lwn.net)	Oct 02 16:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwids	Oct 02 16:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lwn.net \| Debian dropping the Linux Standard Base [LWN.net]		Oct 02 16:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google Chromebooks: The most popular classroom	Oct 02 16:27
TweetTuxMachines	computing device http://t.co/FA1D8jgxk5	Oct 02 16:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Google Chromebooks: The most popular classroom computing device \| ZDNet		Oct 02 16:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.zdnet.com)	Oct 02 16:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 1500 Games on Steam for Linux and Almost 1% of	Oct 02 16:27
TweetTuxMachines	the User Base http://t.co/1lfms3N0xg	Oct 02 16:27
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Oct 02 16:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| 1500 Games on Steam for Linux and Almost 1% of the User Base - Softpedia		Oct 02 16:27
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msb_	cubexyz: The Purism website says they are decoding the management engine: https://puri.sm/posts/weekly-update-on-librem-15-rev2-production-2015-09-11/	Oct 02 16:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://puri.sm/posts/weekly-update-on-librem-15-rev2-production-2015-09-11/ )		Oct 02 16:40
msb_	cubexyz: Their site says they have no binary blobs but you say they do?	Oct 02 16:40
cubexyz	well they have made some progress on the Management Engine	Oct 02 16:43
cubexyz	but the cpu won't boot without it	Oct 02 16:43
msb_	They say they are working on "unlocking" it.	Oct 02 16:45
cubexyz	eventually someone will reverse engineer the blobs	Oct 02 16:45
cubexyz	it's been done before	Oct 02 16:45
msb_	The bios blobs for the ME?	Oct 02 16:45
cubexyz	there's also the microcode	Oct 02 16:46
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msb_	I guess they want to turn off the ME after the cpu boots.	Oct 02 16:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fairphone launches v2 of it conflict-free,	Oct 02 16:47
TweetTuxMachines	upgradeable smartphone http://t.co/joUEIbMPvI	Oct 02 16:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techrepublic.com \| Fairphone launches v2 of it conflict-free, upgradeable smartphone - TechRepublic		Oct 02 16:47
TweetTuxMachines	(www.techrepublic.com)	Oct 02 16:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Hands on: Google Pixel C convertible tablet	Oct 02 16:47
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/GgSMSIfG38 (www.digitaltrends.com)	Oct 02 16:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.digitaltrends.com \| Google Pixel C \| Hands on, Release Date, Specs, Price, Etc \| Digital Trends		Oct 02 16:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google announces the LG Nexus 5X and Huawei	Oct 02 16:47
TweetTuxMachines	Nexus 6P; pre-orders start today	Oct 02 16:47
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ePHEdHiGGx (arstechnica.com)	Oct 02 16:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Google announces the LG Nexus 5X and Huawei Nexus 6P; pre-orders start today \| Ars Technica		Oct 02 16:47
msb_	Why don 't they use an AMD cpu?	Oct 02 16:48
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schestowitz	tessier: thanks	Oct 02 16:52
schestowitz	the server handled it quite well	Oct 02 16:52
schestowitz	even with many EPI staff rushing to read other exclusive articles	Oct 02 16:53
schestowitz	*EPO	Oct 02 16:53
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/meneer/status/650002173263265792	Oct 02 16:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@meneer: Uhhhhuhhhuhhh :-/ https://t.co/CIyDkdkpka		Oct 02 16:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@dockernews: Sources Claim Microsoft Is Buying Canonical-Ubuntu; Is There Logic Behind... http://t.co/CXmc9FY2LH via @schestowitz http://t.co/aNPIpIF8uv		Oct 02 16:53
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/gonzalosangil/status/650054373809090560	Oct 02 17:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@gonzalosangil: The ‘#Microsoft #Loves #Linux’ #Baloney is Still Being #Floated in the #Media While Microsoft #Attacks Linux With… https://t.co/HKXj0Bibq7		Oct 02 17:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> gonzalosangil.wordpress.com \| The ‘#Microsoft #Loves #Linux’ #Baloney is Still Being #Floated in the #Media While Microsoft #Attacks Linux With #Patents, New #Lawsuits Reported \| Techrights \| # ! … \| gonzalosangil		Oct 02 17:09
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/meneer/status/650054011270377472	Oct 02 17:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@meneer: @Jarno @dockernews @schestowitz ... tsja... gpl2 en Microsoft...		Oct 02 17:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google announces the new Chromecast and	Oct 02 17:17
TweetTuxMachines	Chromecast Audio http://t.co/xq5qkKEapl	Oct 02 17:17
TweetTuxMachines	(arstechnica.com)	Oct 02 17:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Google announces the new Chromecast and Chromecast Audio \| Ars Technica		Oct 02 17:17
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Epic Games Releases Unreal Engine 4.9.2 Hotfix	Oct 02 17:17
TweetTuxMachines	to Patch over 20 Issues http://t.co/qx7kgHZS2R	Oct 02 17:17
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Oct 02 17:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Epic Games Releases Unreal Engine 4.9.2 Hotfix to Patch over 20 Issues - Softpedia		Oct 02 17:17
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Antivirus Live CD Now Based on ClamAV 0.98.7	Oct 02 17:17
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Y08ZeBpAey (linux.softpedia.com)	Oct 02 17:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Antivirus Live CD Now Based on ClamAV 0.98.7 - Softpedia		Oct 02 17:17
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schestowitz	https://opensource.com/life/15/10/the-power-of-why	Oct 02 17:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| The power of answering 'why?' \| Opensource.com [ http://ur1.ca/nwiyb ]		Oct 02 17:47
schestowitz	"ah! :like"	Oct 02 17:47
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6658525	Oct 02 17:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Manjaro 15.09 "Bellatrix" Gets Its Fist Update with Lots of New Packages http://news.softpedia.com/news/manjaro-15-09-bellatrix-gets-its-fist-update-with-lots-of-new-packages-493457.shtml		Oct 02 17:50
schestowitz	"I don't know what a Fist update is but, it sounds painful... :P"	Oct 02 17:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> news.softpedia.com \| Manjaro 15.09 "Bellatrix" Gets Its Fist Update with Lots of New Packages - Softpedia [ http://ur1.ca/nwiyv ]		Oct 02 17:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu's Mir Display Server Reaches Version	Oct 02 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	0.16 with Mir-on-X Refinements, More	Oct 02 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ABd20WRs57 (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 02 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwiz8	Oct 02 17:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu's Mir Display Server Reaches Version 0.16 with Mir-on-X Refinements, More - Softpedia		Oct 02 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Patents and Peace: Are the Microsoft-Linux Wars	Oct 02 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	Over? http://t.co/l4kTgeJdMZ	Oct 02 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 02 17:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Patents and Peace: Are the Microsoft-Linux Wars Over? \| Tux Machines		Oct 02 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux.Wifatch http://t.co/MTyrkPOEn8	Oct 02 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 02 17:52
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux.Wifatch \| Tux Machines		Oct 02 17:52
msb_	Jesse Ventura on RT right now!	Oct 02 18:03
msb_	Lawrence Lessig on now!	Oct 02 18:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Recalbox Raspberry Pi Retro Gaming	Oct 02 18:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/VvZzthnERk (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 02 18:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwj2s	Oct 02 18:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Recalbox Raspberry Pi Retro Gaming \| Tux Machines		Oct 02 18:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Ubuntu http://t.co/ZkoN5rkT4L	Oct 02 18:09
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 02 18:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Ubuntu \| Tux Machines		Oct 02 18:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Seize the opportunity to explain open source	Oct 02 18:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/4iZIIlhgpW (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 02 18:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwj2u	Oct 02 18:10
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cubexyz	if you brick the X60 thinkpad it's a total pain in the butt unbricking it	Oct 02 18:12
cubexyz	now I see how difficult it is	Oct 02 18:13
cubexyz	Lenovo BIOS had a whitelist for wifi cards	Oct 02 18:14
cubexyz	so if you manage to get coreboot on it you can use any wifi chipset	Oct 02 18:15
cubexyz	everything works except IRDA and the internal modem	Oct 02 18:15
cubexyz	not to bad as almost no one uses either one nowadays	Oct 02 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Watch: Canonical Showing Off the Latest Unity 8	Oct 02 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	Interface for Ubuntu Phone	Oct 02 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Gqkr4cZUo3 (linux.softpedia.com)	Oct 02 18:16
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwj4f	Oct 02 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Recalbox Raspberry Pi Retro Gaming	Oct 02 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/SAOaMBgj8h (freedompenguin.com)	Oct 02 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwj4h	Oct 02 18:16
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cubexyz	X60 -> 4/10 for ease of dis-assembly	Oct 02 18:17
cubexyz	X60 -> 9/10 for coreboot support	Oct 02 18:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Linux Kernel to Celebrate Its 24th Birthday	Oct 02 18:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/oj4j0RdmJw (linux.softpedia.com)	Oct 02 18:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwj5s	Oct 02 18:20
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Linux Kernel to Celebrate Its 24th Birthday	Oct 02 18:20
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/oj4j0QVLkW (linux.softpedia.com)	Oct 02 18:20
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwj5t	Oct 02 18:20
cubexyz	pretty much all laptops suck for taking them apart	Oct 02 18:27
cubexyz	you have to completely take the X60 apart to get to the flashromo	Oct 02 18:27
cubexyz	flashrom	Oct 02 18:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kali Linux: Why Aren’t We Arguing More about Mr	Oct 02 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	Robot? https://t.co/6thxDkLg0M (hackaday.com)	Oct 02 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwjhf	Oct 02 19:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 2/10/2015: #Qubes 3.0, Linux.Wifatch	Oct 02 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/8M9Nu0vtNp (techrights.org)	Oct 02 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	#techrights	Oct 02 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwjhg	Oct 02 19:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android and Google Leftovers	Oct 02 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/dRy2uqVriH (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 02 19:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwjhh	Oct 02 19:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/EIXZlRBCyb	Oct 02 19:51
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwjoo	Oct 02 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/ZmnZahbDyH	Oct 02 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 02 19:51
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwjop	Oct 02 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/5AboY2reOm	Oct 02 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 02 19:51
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwjor	Oct 02 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/L2VNLt4LAC	Oct 02 19:51
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Nest Labs advances its Weave home automation	Oct 02 20:26
TweetTuxMachines	ecosystem http://t.co/lPxRCprP2c	Oct 02 20:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 02 20:26
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwjv9	Oct 02 20:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Headless box-PC has six GbE ports, runs Linux	Oct 02 20:26
TweetTuxMachines	on G-Series http://t.co/QYMvgJJaz4	Oct 02 20:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 02 20:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwjva	Oct 02 20:26
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Adblock Plus and (a little) more	Oct 02 20:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/R1GiKRStdu (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 02 20:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwjvb	Oct 02 20:26
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*TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Headless box-PC has six GbE ports, runs Linux...'		Oct 02 21:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Default Wallpapers of Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily	Oct 02 21:58
TweetTuxMachines	Werewolf) - Gallery http://t.co/DhITeQORXJ	Oct 02 21:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 02 21:58
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwkel	Oct 02 21:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines [Wallpapers] Tizen Themed Samsung Gear S2	Oct 02 21:58
TweetTuxMachines	Backgrounds – Vol 1 http://t.co/q1A3AuPRWk	Oct 02 21:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 02 21:58
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwkem	Oct 02 21:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KaOS 2015.10 http://t.co/BzYZWk7nyu	Oct 02 21:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 02 21:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KaOS 2015.10 \| Tux Machines		Oct 02 21:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwken	Oct 02 21:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Art of Communicating with LKML	Oct 02 21:58
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ce9gJ08cC7 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 02 21:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwkeo	Oct 02 21:58
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/650081891861835776	Oct 03 01:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz Google should counter that somehow, MS Office is a direct competitor to Google docs and is entering Android space with		Oct 03 01:15
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/650082262277562368	Oct 03 01:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz Unethical practices and shaddy deals. Those MS moves do harm Google from inside.		Oct 03 01:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Antergos 2015.09 review http://t.co/4IAcVGvZOg	Oct 03 04:18
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 04:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwmls	Oct 03 04:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Antergos 2015.09 review http://t.co/x82pJzHiLc	Oct 03 07:23
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxbsdos.com)	Oct 03 07:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwnji	Oct 03 07:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxbsdos.com \| Antergos 2015.09 review: Cinnamon & GNOME 3 \| LinuxBSDos.com		Oct 03 07:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Art of Communicating with #LKML	Oct 03 07:23
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/6tWjx8LcTx (www.labbott.name)	Oct 03 07:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.labbott.name \| Something witty/insightful		Oct 03 07:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwnjj	Oct 03 07:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KaOS 2015.10 http://t.co/8ei160jyOd (kaosx.us)	Oct 03 07:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwnk1	Oct 03 07:25
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines “Last year I built a new derby track … I used a	Oct 03 07:26
TweetTuxMachines	RaspberryPi with Pidora on it to run the timing	Oct 03 07:26
TweetTuxMachines	system.” http://t.co/M702iXERET	Oct 03 07:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.jaddog.org)	Oct 03 07:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.jaddog.org \| JADDOG » Blog Archive » OpenDerby Update		Oct 03 07:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwnk2	Oct 03 07:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines [Wallpapers] Tizen Themed Samsung Gear S2	Oct 03 07:26
TweetTuxMachines	Backgrounds – Vol 1 http://t.co/dr6u2SeIlY	Oct 03 07:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tizenexperts.com)	Oct 03 07:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com \| [Wallpapers] Tizen Themed Samsung Gear S2 Backgrounds – Vol 1 - Tizen Experts		Oct 03 07:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwnk4	Oct 03 07:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Launches Pilot for Ubuntu Touch, Adds	Oct 03 07:26
TweetTuxMachines	10 New Wallpapers to Ubuntu 15.10	Oct 03 07:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/t6yLGhb7Jh (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 03 07:26
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwnk8	Oct 03 07:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Default Wallpapers of Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily	Oct 03 07:26
TweetTuxMachines	Werewolf) - Gallery http://t.co/SxRivsPPuV	Oct 03 07:26
TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	Oct 03 07:26
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwnka	Oct 03 07:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Headless box-PC has six GbE ports, runs Linux	Oct 03 07:27
TweetTuxMachines	on G-Series http://t.co/OTq5rwQP8G	Oct 03 07:27
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TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Oct 03 07:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwnkb	Oct 03 07:27
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schestowitz	>>> old:	Oct 03 08:35
schestowitz	>>> >>	Oct 03 08:35
schestowitz	>>> >> http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-positive-reddit-comments-2013-6	Oct 03 08:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.businessinsider.com \| Microsoft Positive Reddit Comments - Business Insider [ http://ur1.ca/nwnrx ]		Oct 03 08:35
schestowitz	>> >	Oct 03 08:35
schestowitz	>> >	Oct 03 08:35
schestowitz	>> > watch what Microsoft boosters did here: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3n5r0o/the_microsoft_loves_linux_baloney_is_still_being/	Oct 03 08:35
schestowitz	> Yes, though they seem to have less impact than years past. I notice M$	Oct 03 08:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com \| The ‘Microsoft Loves Linux’ Baloney is Still Being Floated in the Media While Microsoft Attacks Linux With Patents, New Lawsuits Reported : linux [ http://ur1.ca/nwcx1 ]		Oct 03 08:35
schestowitz	> guys like Jo Shields (presumably since his common handle is there)	Oct 03 08:35
schestowitz	> whining. I notice they're now more about going ad hominem, and are	Oct 03 08:35
schestowitz	> without a rebuttal to the actual argument. So, keep up the good work.	Oct 03 08:35
schestowitz	This threat was relatively GOOD. When my items are in Reddit there are usually personal attacks (my longtime foes) within just a few hours, if not minutes...	Oct 03 08:35
schestowitz	There are people out there who don't want me to have a voice and for my site to gain no visibility anywhere, unless perhaps it's Tux machines...	Oct 03 08:35
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cubexyz	I don't think even now people realize how deeply Microsoft has it's hooks into computers	Oct 03 09:07
cubexyz	it's not fully apparent until you look at the BIOS source code	Oct 03 09:11
cubexyz	to a large degree the PC is a Windows/Microsoft PC	Oct 03 09:11
cubexyz	the only way to run around that is a difficult task: to learn how to program at the register level	Oct 03 09:14
cubexyz	got to blame the motherboard manufacturers for this too	Oct 03 09:24
cubexyz	and the chip manufacturers... no data sheets for a lot of chips	Oct 03 09:24
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/unorigmoniker/status/650295617923649536	Oct 03 09:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@unorigmoniker: Well that's a big "no shit". A totalitarian oligarchy. Welcome to America! Now go home. https://t.co/7B7lPdQ21K		Oct 03 09:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Former #NSA Tech Director Says US Has Become A #Totalitarian State http://t.co/5TU0vQuDxx Bill #binney		Oct 03 09:33
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/unorigmoniker/status/650296122146074625	Oct 03 09:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@unorigmoniker: Sadly, @BBCNews is being controlled by @GCHQ_UK. It's nothing more than the political mouthpiece for Downing St. https://t.co/BhVFq9fcBY		Oct 03 09:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #bbc repeating unsubstantiated lie: "Mr @Snowden is believed to have downloaded 1.7 million secret documents" http://t.co/N0Jfhcotpf		Oct 03 09:34
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/650299277147828224	Oct 03 09:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz How convenient to blame a dead man.		Oct 03 09:35
schestowitz	was he not steering the plane to the ground?	Oct 03 09:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/650303438664896512	Oct 03 09:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Actually not. He started a descent and for unknown reasons he didn't stop it.		Oct 03 09:43
schestowitz	And locked the door, shutting out the Captain?	Oct 03 09:43
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/650305603877912576	Oct 03 09:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Yes, that's what smells fishiest here. Still not enough evidence to sentence him in a court of law.		Oct 03 09:48
cubexyz	worth a read for historical reasons... foreshadowing what was to come:	Oct 03 09:55
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/650308284604416002	Oct 03 09:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz but, but....what about that "designed in California" thingie, Doctor? Shouldn't that count??😉		Oct 03 09:56
cubexyz	http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/03/10/03/2127213/microsoft-taking-over-the-bios	Oct 03 09:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hardware.slashdot.org \| Microsoft Taking Over the BIOS - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/nwogo ]		Oct 03 09:56
schestowitz	Like K-Swiss?	Oct 03 09:56
cubexyz	I'm emailing all the manufacuters I can think of, asking for BIOS source code	Oct 03 09:59
cubexyz	I'll post the results here in a few days	Oct 03 09:59
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/650309511455096832	Oct 03 10:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz aren't their sneakers the very embodiment of Swiss precision and perfection??		Oct 03 10:05
schestowitz	Well, it says designed in California, that's almost their motto	Oct 03 10:05
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schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6660908	Oct 03 10:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Fiorina "suggested that there were greater government threats to privacy than NSA" http://fortune.com/2015/09/30/carly-fiorina-nsa-spying/ OF COURSE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hewlett-Packard_spying_scandal		Oct 03 10:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> fortune.com \| Carly Fiorina: No Regrets Enabling NSA Spying - Fortune [ http://ur1.ca/nwole ]		Oct 03 10:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> en.wikipedia.org \| Hewlett-Packard spying scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nwolf ]		Oct 03 10:17
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/boiling-frog.txt	Oct 03 10:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Nest Labs advances its Weave home automation	Oct 03 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	ecosystem http://t.co/y75YnP2odl	Oct 03 10:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Nest Labs advances its Weave home automation ecosystem · LinuxGizmos.com		Oct 03 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Oct 03 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwop8	Oct 03 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Blackphone: privacy-obsessed smartphone aims to	Oct 03 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	broaden its appeal http://t.co/NbRgHJgOPB	Oct 03 10:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| Blackphone: privacy-obsessed smartphone aims to broaden its appeal \| Technology \| The Guardian		Oct 03 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theguardian.com)	Oct 03 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwop9	Oct 03 10:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "feel good being KDE user since 2005.	Oct 03 11:10
TweetTuxMachines	Officially I started coding / contributing to	Oct 03 11:10
TweetTuxMachines	minor stuff in KDE in 2010."	Oct 03 11:10
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/a8dk7BzPFE	Oct 03 11:10
TweetTuxMachines	(siddharthkde.wordpress.com)	Oct 03 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-siddharthkde.wordpress.com \| Randa Meetings update \| KDE		Oct 03 11:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwoyv	Oct 03 11:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Linux i3 15.09 Officially Released,	Oct 03 11:10
TweetTuxMachines	Brings Calamares and Linux Kernel 4.1	Oct 03 11:10
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/pIK5Q6xpo2 (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 03 11:10
TweetTuxMachines	#lxde too http://t.co/ppouZ0jvoL	Oct 03 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Manjaro Linux i3 15.09 Officially Released, Brings Calamares and Linux Kernel 4.1 - Softpedia		Oct 03 11:10
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Oct 03 11:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Manjaro Linux LXDE 15.09 Community Edition Has Linux Kernel 4.1.8 LTS, AUR Support - Softpedia		Oct 03 11:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwoyw	Oct 03 11:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Network Security Toolkit Is Now Based on Fedora	Oct 03 11:11
TweetTuxMachines	22, Powered by Linux Kernel 4.1.7	Oct 03 11:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/yG4lGLX2Ai (news.softpedia.com)	Oct 03 11:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwoyy	Oct 03 11:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Network Security Toolkit Is Now Based on Fedora 22, Powered by Linux Kernel 4.1.7 - Softpedia		Oct 03 11:11
schestowitz	http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=September-15-Interest	Oct 03 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Google, Linux 4.3, & Mesa 11 Won Over September - Phoronix [ http://ur1.ca/nwp0r ]		Oct 03 11:17
schestowitz	"all written by your's truly. "	Oct 03 11:17
schestowitz	typo	Oct 03 11:17
schestowitz	or just error	Oct 03 11:17
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/karthik_ak/status/650329692516429826	Oct 03 11:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@karthik_ak: @schestowitz nice to meet you on twitter, any way hope diaspora succeeds		Oct 03 11:22
schestowitz	it has had capacity issues recently; can't even get other people's stuff to show up in the stream	Oct 03 11:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Linux i3 15.09 Officially Released,	Oct 03 11:35
TweetTuxMachines	Brings Calamares and Linux Kernel 4.1	Oct 03 11:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/3j5KU5irVq (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 11:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwp5d	Oct 03 11:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Manjaro Linux i3 15.09 Officially Released, Brings Calamares and Linux Kernel 4.1 \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 11:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Network Security Toolkit Is Now Based on Fedora	Oct 03 11:36
TweetTuxMachines	22, Powered by Linux Kernel 4.1.7	Oct 03 11:36
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TlsGdrQFXD (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 11:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwp5e	Oct 03 11:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Network Security Toolkit Is Now Based on Fedora 22, Powered by Linux Kernel 4.1.7 \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 11:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mesa 10.6.9 Released, Marks The End Of The	Oct 03 11:36
TweetTuxMachines	Line: Upgrade To Mesa 11 http://t.co/dbViHxgqyi	Oct 03 11:36
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Oct 03 11:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Mesa 10.6.9 Released, Marks The End Of The Line: Upgrade To Mesa 11 - Phoronix		Oct 03 11:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwp5f	Oct 03 11:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Pipe dream – Debian GNU/Hurd 8 Review	Oct 03 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Z5PB8CvPUB (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwphf	Oct 03 12:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Pipe dream – Debian GNU/Hurd 8 Review \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Make Ubuntu Look Like Mac With the Gela Theme	Oct 03 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/hS3KFXoSVF (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwphg	Oct 03 12:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Make Ubuntu Look Like Mac With the Gela Theme \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Unofficial Linux Kernel 4.2.2 Now Available for	Oct 03 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	Slackware 12.0 and Its Derivatives	Oct 03 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/BiSpkSa5Z1 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 12:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwphh	Oct 03 12:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Unofficial Linux Kernel 4.2.2 Now Available for Slackware 12.0 and Its Derivatives \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 12:26
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/650348476811870208 https://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/650348678650138624	Oct 03 12:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz 1 of 2 - they have a certain logic. As an ex-professional soldier, I know what firearms do. You don't see ex-soldiers in UK		Oct 03 12:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz 2 of 2 - running amok and shooting people. Education is a good thing (tm) which obviously doesn't happen in US...		Oct 03 12:39
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cubexyz	the world is crazy	Oct 03 13:11
cubexyz	sometimes I think I'm in the wrong dimension or something	Oct 03 13:11
MinceR	i know i'm in the wrong plane of existence	Oct 03 13:12
TweetTuxMachines	@Group4Networks Cloud Desktop is out! http://t.co/mOa0xPjLsk	Oct 03 13:13
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by (paper.li) Stories via @tuxmachines @lschmeiser	Oct 03 13:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li \| Cloud Desktop		Oct 03 13:13
TweetTuxMachines	@JoanieMann @JoanieMann	Oct 03 13:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwptr	Oct 03 13:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Unofficial Linux Kernel 4.2.2 Now Available for	Oct 03 13:13
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Slackware 12.0 and Its Derivatives	Oct 03 13:13
TweetTuxMachines	@vorelp http://t.co/BiSpkSa5Z1 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 13:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwptu	Oct 03 13:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android fans have yet another reason to cheer	Oct 03 13:47
TweetTuxMachines	Motorola http://t.co/eEUAOjAK4d	Oct 03 13:47
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 13:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwq1v	Oct 03 13:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android fans have yet another reason to cheer Motorola \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 13:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.2.3 http://t.co/Cpm5RfPziB	Oct 03 13:47
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 13:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwq1w	Oct 03 13:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux 4.2.3 \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 13:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Third Alpha Build of Kodi 16 Media Center Adds	Oct 03 13:47
TweetTuxMachines	Long-Press Support for Remotes	Oct 03 13:47
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Iy5sq1usBp (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 13:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwq1y	Oct 03 13:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Third Alpha Build of Kodi 16 Media Center Adds Long-Press Support for Remotes \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 13:48
cubexyz	a lot of the microsoft guys were psychos	Oct 03 14:17
cubexyz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/03/19/microsoft_killed_dell_linux_states/	Oct 03 14:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Microsoft ‘killed Dell Linux’ – States • The Register [ http://ur1.ca/nwq7o ]		Oct 03 14:17
cubexyz	remember that name: Joachim Kempin	Oct 03 14:19
cubexyz	convicted of illegally shooting antelope	Oct 03 14:19
cubexyz	enemy of Linux, and all-round Microsoft psycho	Oct 03 14:19
cubexyz	at least he's retired now	Oct 03 14:20
cubexyz	and more's the pity, a former DEC employee	Oct 03 14:20
cubexyz	he retires after the 2002 Microsoft anti-trust trial	Oct 03 14:21
cubexyz	Kempin was an abuser... he even abused IBM	Oct 03 14:24
cubexyz	good riddance	Oct 03 14:24
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/google-catching-up-to-microsoft.txt	Oct 03 14:33
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6662018	Oct 03 14:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@mettaben@joindiaspora.com:		Oct 03 14:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Photo by mettaben@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_39191fabf289c52316a6.jpg		Oct 03 14:35
schestowitz	cubexyz: yeah	Oct 03 14:36
schestowitz	I never forgot	Oct 03 14:36
schestowitz	esp. when people all spoke i harmony about "Cecil"	Oct 03 14:36
cubexyz	finally in 2015 I could buy a PC not gummed up with Microsoft crap	Oct 03 14:39
cubexyz	Jim Cecil?	Oct 03 14:44
cubexyz	what's the story? :)	Oct 03 14:44
cubexyz	I guess I have to give some kudos to HP	Oct 03 14:46
cubexyz	finally they did something good	Oct 03 14:46
cubexyz	don't get me wrong, they did a ton of bad things	Oct 03 14:47
cubexyz	but credit where credit is due	Oct 03 14:47
cubexyz	msb_, note there is no Vpro Technology on chromebook	Oct 03 14:52
cubexyz	another advantage	Oct 03 14:52
msb_	But runs at 1/3 the MIPS speed of current cheap CPUs. Huge disadvantage.	Oct 03 14:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Ships Plasma 5.4.2, bugfix Release for	Oct 03 15:02
TweetTuxMachines	October http://t.co/ykQGc69g5I	Oct 03 15:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 15:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwqgk	Oct 03 15:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDE Ships Plasma 5.4.2, bugfix Release for October \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 15:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Lightworks: A Professional Video Editor	Oct 03 15:02
TweetTuxMachines	Available for Ubuntu/Linux Mint/Fedora	Oct 03 15:02
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/RlTYr7RnHy (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 15:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwqgl	Oct 03 15:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Lightworks: A Professional Video Editor Available for Ubuntu/Linux Mint/Fedora \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 15:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines RapidDisk / RapidCache 3.4 now available.	Oct 03 15:03
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/zV4lOcM5pp (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 15:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwqgm	Oct 03 15:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| RapidDisk / RapidCache 3.4 now available. \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 15:03
cubexyz	msb_, there's two things:	Oct 03 15:12
cubexyz	if I buy an ATX motherboard what will the firmware be like, and I have no firmware source... zip	Oct 03 15:12
cubexyz	also what about AMD FX-8350 for laptop? Does it even exist?	Oct 03 15:12
cubexyz	Suns had Openfirmware at least	Oct 03 15:13
cubexyz	systems are getting _more_ closed in many cases	Oct 03 15:15
msb_	I wonder if it's possible to defeat the AMT by overwriting the RAM it uses?	Oct 03 15:30
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AnarchistDalek/status/650391566054350848	Oct 03 15:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AnarchistDalek: @schestowitz @Snowden Probably safe to assume that IF telecom THEN complicit		Oct 03 15:38
schestowitz	The 'smoking gun' would aid legal case, hence stop the complicity and the collusion between telecom and Deep State	Oct 03 15:38
MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/6zYjWHl.gifv	Oct 03 16:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-i.imgur.com \| Imgur		Oct 03 16:09
MinceR	speaking of 'smoking'	Oct 03 16:10
msb_	Cute. VW is never going to live this down!	Oct 03 16:12
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/650404565054025728	Oct 03 16:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz Never been sure whether i should start using or not. Always feel uncomfortable trusting a new service.		Oct 03 16:29
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ciberado/status/650408494932324352	Oct 03 16:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ciberado: Esto va a ahorrar tanto tiempo... https://t.co/4wrQwClhJp		Oct 03 16:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Facebook will now be able to show you ads based on the porn you watch http://t.co/5MSX93pavM #facebook makes dossiers, sells them		Oct 03 16:36
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/650411197649432576	Oct 03 16:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz that's... Hilarious.		Oct 03 16:45
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6660908	Oct 03 16:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post?		Oct 03 16:49
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/650415742328918016	Oct 03 17:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz epomustgo?		Oct 03 17:05
schestowitz	I was thinking along the lines of #intelExit http://www.ibtimes.com.au/intelexit-campaign-asks-nsa-gchq-employees-quit-jobs-1470570 http://www.allgov.com/news/unusual-news/german-group-offers-support-services-to-help-disillusioned-members-of-nsa-get-out-of-the-spy-business-151002?news=857549	Oct 03 17:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.com.au \| Intelexit campaign asks NSA and GCHQ employees to quit jobs [ http://ur1.ca/nwr64 ]		Oct 03 17:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.allgov.com \| Unusual News - German Group Offers Support Services to Help Disillusioned Members of NSA Get Out of the Spy Business - AllGov - News [ http://ur1.ca/nwr65 ]		Oct 03 17:05
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/650416817370963969	Oct 03 17:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz or the stallman call?		Oct 03 17:08
schestowitz	2008 speech?	Oct 03 17:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Data indicates that Android picked up global	Oct 03 17:17
TweetTuxMachines	market share from iOS last month	Oct 03 17:17
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/QqZaV6Kipe (www.tuxmachines.org)	Oct 03 17:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwr82	Oct 03 17:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Data indicates that Android picked up global market share from iOS last month \| Tux Machines		Oct 03 17:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Ships Plasma 5.4.2, bugfix Release for	Oct 03 17:17
TweetTuxMachines	October https://t.co/4d4EpW8TIf (www.kde.org)	Oct 03 17:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwr83	Oct 03 17:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.kde.org \| KDE - KDE Ships Plasma 5.4.2, bugfix Release for October		Oct 03 17:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.2.3 http://t.co/42Uo1Jw9sp (lwn.net)	Oct 03 17:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lwn.net \| Linux 4.2.3 [LWN.net]		Oct 03 17:22
TweetTuxMachines	Linux 4.1.10 http://t.co/tkuPz37tva (lwn.net)	Oct 03 17:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lwn.net \| Linux 4.1.10 [LWN.net]		Oct 03 17:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwr9a	Oct 03 17:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Blackphone 2: NSA-thwarting Android smartphone	Oct 03 17:22
TweetTuxMachines	goes on sale http://t.co/MbqKFTFOIG	Oct 03 17:22
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theinquirer.net)	Oct 03 17:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwr9b	Oct 03 17:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theinquirer.net \| Blackphone 2: NSA-thwarting Android smartphone goes on sale- The Inquirer		Oct 03 17:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Party Hard, A Stealth Strategy Game Is Now On	Oct 03 17:22
TweetTuxMachines	Linux, Looks Interesting	Oct 03 17:22
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/LoSpdBgc16 (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Oct 03 17:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwr9g	Oct 03 17:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Party Hard, A Stealth Strategy Game Is Now On Linux, Looks Interesting \| GamingOnLinux		Oct 03 17:22
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/650420551291404292	Oct 03 17:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz yop. Loved the applauds. At the beginning it sounds a bit radical, but now with all the EPO scandals it does not.		Oct 03 17:23
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jagedn/status/650420760385859585	Oct 03 17:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jagedn: @ciberado @schestowitz menos mal que no uso libro cara sino me iban a freír a publi		Oct 03 17:24
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msb_	Hilarious! Download with VideoDownloadHelper: http://www.rt.com/shows/redacted-tonight-summary/317503-big-pharma-homelessness-media/	Oct 03 18:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com \| Eliminating Big Pharma, homelessness, & media monopolies - Sound Good? RT — Redacted Tonight [ http://ur1.ca/nwrpu ]		Oct 03 18:50
cubexyz	redacted?	Oct 03 18:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines RollerCoaster Tycoon World Releasing December	Oct 03 19:11
TweetTuxMachines	10th, Linux Included http://t.co/3NZgvmtVlH	Oct 03 19:11
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Oct 03 19:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| RollerCoaster Tycoon World Releasing December 10th, Linux Included \| GamingOnLinux		Oct 03 19:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwrtp	Oct 03 19:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Lightworks: A Professional Video Editor	Oct 03 19:11
TweetTuxMachines	Available for Ubuntu/Linux Mint/Fedora	Oct 03 19:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/jlVKpfSVQE (www.noobslab.com)	Oct 03 19:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nwrtq	Oct 03 19:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.noobslab.com \| Lightworks: A Professional Video Editor Available for Ubuntu/Linux Mint/Fedora - NoobsLab \| Ubuntu/Linux News, Reviews, Tutorials, Apps		Oct 03 19:11
*TweetTuxMachines @MartialBigras followed @tuxmachines		Oct 03 19:11
msb_	cubexyz: It's a fact-based comedy show. Check it out!	Oct 03 20:04
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