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| schestowitz | > "This document, already under development, was rushed into service | Jan 03 11:11 |
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| schestowitz | > (leading to less feedback sought than we would have liked) in July 2015" | Jan 03 11:11 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 03 11:11 |
| schestowitz | > https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/2016-January/001691.html | Jan 03 11:11 |
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| schestowitz | >>>>> >>>> old: | Jan 03 11:22 |
| schestowitz | >>>>>>> >>>> >> | Jan 03 11:22 |
| schestowitz | >>>>>>> >>>> >> x http://blog.teleri.net/open-microsoft/ | Jan 03 11:22 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-blog.teleri.net | Open Microsoft | Jan 03 11:22 | |
| schestowitz | >>>>> >>> > | Jan 03 11:22 |
| schestowitz | >>>>> >>> > (Standard disclaimer: I write for me, not Microsoft, despite working there) | Jan 03 11:22 |
| schestowitz | >>>>> >>> > | Jan 03 11:22 |
| schestowitz | >>>>> >>> > LOL - writing for one's wallet. | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> I lost the link (or sent it already) but there is a case about | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> disparagement clauses in contracts. If those are found to be invalid, | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> then maybe some former softers can come out of the cold. | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | >> > Even after leaving the company, in some cases... | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | > My sister recently was fired after working 19 years for the same | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | > company. She felt compelled to sign a non-disparagement agreement in | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | > exchange for the company deigning to allow her a month or so of | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | > severance. We saw some articles a long, long time ago that hinted that | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | > M$ uses anti-disparagement contracts. | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | Yes, these do exist. Esp. when departing CFOs, I reckon because of all the tax evasion and maybe more fraud. | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | Jan 03 11:23 | |
| schestowitz | >> > BTW, the ex-MSFT who complained about the MSFT tax dodge... his site is | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | >> > gone. He didn't renew, so it's down the sinkhole, Web Archive, or sites | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | >> > that refer to it and sometimes quote from it.... | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | > Yeah. It's hard to watch. With the web we went from a world with | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | > multiple copies of information preserved by those using the information, | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | > to one where there is a single copy that can disappear at a whim or a | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | > mistake. | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | I recently chatted with a sysadmin of the Web Archive and reported a bug. They've just made their fundraising goal of $2m. | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | Brilliant site, the most important site on the Web IMHO. | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | > In a generation, it will be all but impossible to get to the bottom of | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | > what happened in technology politically during the era 1990-2020 | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | Even before technology this was an issue. | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retweetinternet/status/683616376808935425 | Jan 03 12:24 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@retweetinternet: https://t.co/bTRNZTMhkO | Jan 03 12:24 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: US equated with "risk" https://t.co/XASOYqrREx this is what this once-great nation has come to? Even in eyes of Canadians? | Jan 03 12:24 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/683618165675429890 | Jan 03 12:24 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SeaH2ONymph: Concentrate on dismantling #US #WarMachine: #MIC world’s largest arms dealer; US military world's largest polluter https://t.co/7wbYjOG890 | Jan 03 12:25 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Sorrows of Empire https://t.co/DOlrQMYRLf hoarding and shedding crocodile tears https://t.co/AfKIb1QDa6 | Jan 03 12:25 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ShitZone/status/683621416122490880 | Jan 03 12:25 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@ShitZone: @schestowitz @PeterPyke Who listens to nitwit zioshill liebermann?? | Jan 03 12:25 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/683624100322000896 https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/683624338692673537 | Jan 03 12:25 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@fcassia: @schestowitz maybe not. Think of the "free upgrade offer" being delivered via WindowsUpdate to many devices which run Vista8/8.1 | Jan 03 12:25 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@fcassia: @schestowitz as vista10 does in fact use less RAM and HD space than Vista8 / Vista8.1 -a first for MS-, many will switch. | Jan 03 12:25 | |
| schestowitz | But it doesn't mean that they did. The numbers are not backed by ease of upgrade as 'evidence'. | Jan 03 12:26 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/683624579831574529 | Jan 03 12:26 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@fcassia: @schestowitz if only to get a more Vista7 like experience, escaping from the monstrosity that is Vista8 | Jan 03 12:26 | |
| schestowitz | Based on early 'adoption' numbers, 200m is a lie, they use creative counting (e.g. of licences 'issued') | Jan 03 12:27 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/z_eisberg/status/683631908165697537 | Jan 03 12:52 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@z_eisberg: RT @schestowitz #twitter is in the business of using 'free labour' users as milk[ing] cows to help sell ads (propaganda) to audiences. O ... | Jan 03 12:52 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/EsRevorTeR/status/683634090642423810 | Jan 03 13:05 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@EsRevorTeR: @schestowitz @NewsCoverUp XHR https://t.co/Zp3bru1VEI | Jan 03 13:05 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> en.wikipedia.org | XMLHttpRequest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Jan 03 13:05 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Priyansuitsme/status/683635335675301888 | Jan 03 13:06 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Priyansuitsme: @schestowitz try https://t.co/0qZNQ66ju7 #fxhelp | Jan 03 13:06 | |
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| schestowitz | but which plugin? | Jan 03 13:06 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/683638312616214529 https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/683638505621340160 | Jan 03 13:19 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Messgorough: @newshtwit @schestowitz Except it's not, we haven't been free for a very long time. Failure to realise that is why it has gotten so bad. | Jan 03 13:19 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@fcassia: @schestowitz maybe you're right. they've used before the trick of flooding the channel w boxes and counting as sales. we'll never know | Jan 03 13:19 | |
| schestowitz | >>>> I heard something similar and it was said that the ethnicity of the | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>>> >>> culprit must never be mentioned in the media. | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> That is correct. Same in Denmark. They made the prohibition while I | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> was still there and the news became much harder to interpret. I could | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> go on for a while about what has been happening in Denmark the last 20 | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> years, too. | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> Maybe it is lack of information, since I haven't gone to the effort of | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> reading any news, but Tromsø might still be good. I was back for a | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> visit in 2007 and aside from the sea having died and the fish gone, | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> things were ok. Their film festival is quite nice, and if the town is | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> the same, very worth a visit: | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> 26th Tromsø International Film Festival, Jan 18 - 24, 2016: | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> http://tiff.no/en/program | Jan 03 13:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-tiff.no | Program 2016 | Tromsø Internasjonale Filmfestival | Jan 03 13:55 | |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> A lot of Nordic, Scandinavian and Arctic movies not likely to turn up | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> elsewhere. Tromsø is a really nice city the size of a town. I found it | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> to have a far more accessible culture scene than Copenhagen. | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >> > It's useful to have it confirmed that the media is compelled to | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >> > self-censor in the name of "peace". | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | > Peace (appeasement) with aggressive, violent colonizers is not going to | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | > end well for the indigenous population. | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 03 13:56 |
| schestowitz | > In one neighborhood, a friend was bragging about all the services to | Jan 03 13:56 |
| schestowitz | > someone else from another neighborhood. After a long list like schools, | Jan 03 13:56 |
| schestowitz | > daycare, a branch library and so one, he added "and a police station". | Jan 03 13:56 |
| schestowitz | > The visitor, didn't miss a beat and replied, "ours doesn't need one" :( | Jan 03 13:56 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Shariah next... we have some such courts in the UK now. | Jan 03 13:56 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6940160 | Jan 03 16:29 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Debian, please plan for Stretch https://nthykier.wordpress.com/2016/01/01/debian-please-plan-for-stretch/ #debian #gnu #linux | Jan 03 16:29 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> nthykier.wordpress.com | Debian, please plan for Stretch | nthykier | Jan 03 16:29 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 03 16:29 |
| schestowitz | I don’t think Debian will allow that going forward. | Jan 03 16:29 |
| schestowitz | One of the major reasons during the endless war cited by DPL to bring peace was Jessie freeze is done, there is nothing which could be done for jessie. #stretch should support alternate init daemon or maybe thanks to devuan splitting up it allw ent no where. | Jan 03 16:29 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 03 16:29 |
| MinceR | even if they allowed it in stretch, there would be no knowing what they would fuck up | Jan 03 16:33 |
| MinceR | it's not reasonable to rely on an allegedly stable distro that randomly fucks up with things like systemd | Jan 03 16:34 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: chicken vs egg class problem. systemd shim is still in testing with the option to put back sysvinit with debian. | Jan 03 16:51 |
| MinceR | no, it's the problem of having no understanding what a "stable release" means | Jan 03 16:51 |
| oiaohm | Stable release is not strictly defined. | Jan 03 16:52 |
| MinceR | therefore it should be meaningless? | Jan 03 16:52 |
| MinceR | we already had such distros | Jan 03 16:52 |
| MinceR | like arch | Jan 03 16:52 |
| oiaohm | Debian even in the stable release the option to switch back to sysvinit. | Jan 03 16:53 |
| MinceR | yeah, either removing a ton of packages you'd be using, or not actually removing systemd | Jan 03 16:53 |
| oiaohm | Debian did not just jump to systemd and not provide an option of going back. | Jan 03 16:53 |
| MinceR | and even if you have it remove a lot of packages, you'll still have libsystemd around | Jan 03 16:53 |
| oiaohm | systemd-shim was being used before systemd was default. | Jan 03 16:54 |
| MinceR | yeah, they provided hobson's choice | Jan 03 16:54 |
| oiaohm | Really distrobutions have done that for years. | Jan 03 16:55 |
| oiaohm | So exactly what is new about that. | Jan 03 16:55 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: don't you remember when debian added parrall booting to sysvinit | Jan 03 16:56 |
| oiaohm | That was before systemd by a long way. | Jan 03 16:56 |
| MinceR | so we've arrived at the "systemd is not a big deal" stage | Jan 03 16:56 |
| oiaohm | MinceR parallel booting sysvinit http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/initscripts-ng-devel/2005-September/000212.html 2005 | Jan 03 16:58 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-lists.alioth.debian.org | Please test parallel booting in new sysvinit version [ http://ur1.ca/odky8 ] | Jan 03 16:58 | |
| MinceR | did parallel booting come with its own version of udev, [x]inetd, crond, atd, syslogd, firewall, bootloader, dns cache, webserver, container provisioner and ntpd built into it? | Jan 03 16:58 |
| MinceR | did parallel booting come with a set of unstable undocumented APIs desktop environments depended on? | Jan 03 16:59 |
| oiaohm | No it did not but it could effectively snap everyone of those by loading them in the wrong order. | Jan 03 16:59 |
| MinceR | if you can't understand that these things don't belong in an init/rc system, i don't think we have anything to discuss | Jan 03 16:59 |
| oiaohm | That is just your point of view. | Jan 03 17:00 |
| oiaohm | Lot of system parts are independant binaries. | Jan 03 17:01 |
| oiaohm | systemd meant there. | Jan 03 17:01 |
| oiaohm | So not in fact built into the init section of the code. | Jan 03 17:01 |
| MinceR | with poettering's definition of "independent" | Jan 03 17:01 |
| MinceR | i guess without understanding the fundamentals of software engineering, it's impossible to understand why the entire concept of systemd is broken | Jan 03 17:01 |
| oiaohm | Then the concept that busybox is based on is broken. | Jan 03 17:02 |
| oiaohm | Software engineering does not forbid a solution having all those parts provided as part of 1 project. | Jan 03 17:03 |
| oiaohm | Software engineering does get upset with the lack of clear separation of parts inside project. | Jan 03 17:03 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: if you had done software engineering you would know picking out that it has lots of different features provided is not a fault. | Jan 03 17:04 |
| oiaohm | Also the desktop like gnome did not use undocumented functions. They used documented and not defined stable yet. | Jan 03 17:06 |
| MinceR | if you had any valid arguments for systemd, you wouldn't need to twist my words to make it seem like you had any. | Jan 03 17:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: one of the things about systemd api/abi is that is is very well documents. | Jan 03 17:06 |
| oiaohm | documented. | Jan 03 17:07 |
| MinceR | then i must have dreamed the warning about unstable APIs | Jan 03 17:07 |
| MinceR | and that the implementer of LoginKit found that gdm uses those unstable APIs | Jan 03 17:07 |
| oiaohm | Something can be documented and unstable. | Jan 03 17:07 |
| MinceR | even though they're not supposed to be used | Jan 03 17:07 |
| MinceR | also, looks like you haven't seen the source code of systemd | Jan 03 17:07 |
| oiaohm | Systemd is documented and unstable in api/abis. | Jan 03 17:07 |
| oiaohm | I have been though the source code and the documententation. | Jan 03 17:07 |
| oiaohm | They do line up. | Jan 03 17:08 |
| oiaohm | Also MinceR tell me where is systemd automatic build server to set every patch submitted. That right it does not have one. | Jan 03 17:08 |
| oiaohm | to set/ to test | Jan 03 17:09 |
| MinceR | "we do not test for this" | Jan 03 17:09 |
| oiaohm | That is a breach of software engineering. | Jan 03 17:09 |
| oiaohm | For something as critical as a init system you would think setting up automatic build systems with fault checking would be the first thing todo. | Jan 03 17:10 |
| MinceR | or you could actually keep it as simple as possible | Jan 03 17:11 |
| oiaohm | Sorry no | Jan 03 17:11 |
| oiaohm | Even as simple as possible a person can human error doing a patch MinceR | Jan 03 17:11 |
| MinceR | yeah, it's impossible | Jan 03 17:11 |
| MinceR | as shown by several examples people have done | Jan 03 17:11 |
| MinceR | maybe it's impossible for poettering to keep the design and the code simple | Jan 03 17:12 |
| oiaohm | Every init system with a automatic build server has out done those without. | Jan 03 17:12 |
| MinceR | since he worships complexity | Jan 03 17:12 |
| MinceR | just like the drones at m$ | Jan 03 17:12 |
| oiaohm | Debian internally build and modified sysvinit had been running a quality control build server. | Jan 03 17:13 |
| oiaohm | So like it or not a automatic build and QA like cppcheck run over server applies just as much to sysvinit as systemd or any other init system you could name. | Jan 03 17:14 |
| oiaohm | Number of faults cppcheck finds in systemd is insane. | Jan 03 17:15 |
| MinceR | unsurprising | Jan 03 17:15 |
| MinceR | considering that it's a) massive and b) written by idiots | Jan 03 17:15 |
| MinceR | http://git.suckless.org/sinit/tree/sinit.c | Jan 03 17:16 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-git.suckless.org | sinit - suckless init | Jan 03 17:16 | |
| MinceR | this doesn't look like it needs a lot of patching, automatic building or checking | Jan 03 17:16 |
| MinceR | and it isn't even minimal | Jan 03 17:16 |
| MinceR | iirc someone pasted an init on irc which was an oneliner in c | Jan 03 17:18 |
| MinceR | s/an o/a o/ | Jan 03 17:18 |
| oiaohm | Ok even that has something that can raise warning http://linux.die.net/man/2/_exit | Jan 03 17:20 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-linux.die.net | _exit(2): terminate calling process - Linux man page | Jan 03 17:20 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: code contains no clear explain why _exit was used over using normal exit. "atexit(3)" "on_exit(3)" can in fact be used inside the libc | Jan 03 17:22 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: even a what appears to be a super simple init can be using functions it should not be and cause extra effects because of it. | Jan 03 17:23 |
| MinceR | 181655 < MinceR> and it isn't even minimal | Jan 03 17:23 |
| oiaohm | init system is limited on how minimal it can be. | Jan 03 17:24 |
| oiaohm | Or it will not respond to signals correctly. | Jan 03 17:24 |
| MinceR | int main(void) { if (fork()) while (1) wait(NULL); else execl("/etc/rc", "rc", NULL); } | Jan 03 17:25 |
| oiaohm | Invalid by posix standards. | Jan 03 17:25 |
| oiaohm | sinit was valid by standards. | Jan 03 17:25 |
| MinceR | will build and function correctly | Jan 03 17:26 |
| oiaohm | No it will not function correctly. | Jan 03 17:26 |
| oiaohm | SIGCHLD, sigreap note that in sinit. | Jan 03 17:26 |
| MinceR | citation needed | Jan 03 17:26 |
| oiaohm | That is to reap zombie processes. | Jan 03 17:26 |
| MinceR | that's what the while (1) wait(NULL); does | Jan 03 17:26 |
| oiaohm | No | Jan 03 17:27 |
| oiaohm | That leaves zombie processes a live not killing them off. | Jan 03 17:27 |
| oiaohm | SIGUSR1, sigpoweroff and SIGINT, sigreboot is also required by standard. | Jan 03 17:28 |
| MinceR | that functionality can be implemented outside pid1 | Jan 03 17:28 |
| oiaohm | In fact no. | Jan 03 17:28 |
| MinceR | in fact yes | Jan 03 17:28 |
| oiaohm | Posix standard says those have to be sent to PID 1 | Jan 03 17:28 |
| MinceR | tell me more about how systemd doesn't violate posix | Jan 03 17:29 |
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| MinceR | iirc the only reason sysvinit needs these signals is so it won't try to respawn processes while you're trying to shut down | Jan 03 17:31 |
| MinceR | other than that, you can in fact kill all processes other than pid1 and yourself, remount filesystems readonly and shutdown or reboot | Jan 03 17:32 |
| oiaohm | Just because there are other ways does not mean you cannot magically do what was written into the standard. | Jan 03 17:35 |
| MinceR | you might also want to talk about how merged /usr doesn't violate the FHS, while you're at it | Jan 03 17:35 |
| oiaohm | Even smf bare min init can perform those 3 signals. | Jan 03 17:35 |
| MinceR | nobody cares | Jan 03 17:35 |
| MinceR | also, iirc back when SMF used a separate init, that did in fact respawn SMF proper | Jan 03 17:35 |
| oiaohm | The zombie one is important. | Jan 03 17:36 |
| MinceR | so of course it had to have a role in shutting down | Jan 03 17:36 |
| MinceR | the oneliner reaps zombies | Jan 03 17:36 |
| MinceR | ironically enough, systemd doesn't | Jan 03 17:36 |
| oiaohm | What version systemd. | Jan 03 17:36 |
| oiaohm | The correct statement is for a while systemd did not reap zombies. | Jan 03 17:37 |
| MinceR | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41625 | Jan 03 17:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-bugs.freedesktop.org | Bug 41625 – systemd apparently doesn't reap zombies | Jan 03 17:37 | |
| MinceR | by then it was already deemed "stable" enough to force on fedora users | Jan 03 17:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: really quoting bugs to sound good. | Jan 03 17:39 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/tecknocrat/status/683699612465541120 | Jan 03 17:39 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@tecknocrat: @schestowitz But was it really $400k. Probably $400k less commission !?¿!¡ .......🙄 | Jan 03 17:39 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: please that bug was closed by author because it turned out not to be a systemd fault at all. | Jan 03 17:40 |
| MinceR | according to the author | Jan 03 17:40 |
| MinceR | who's an incompetent nutcase | Jan 03 17:40 |
| MinceR | closing bugs without fixing them is business as usual at systemd | Jan 03 17:41 |
| oiaohm | But not this case. | Jan 03 17:41 |
| oiaohm | Because systemd behavour with zombie processes is the same as sysvinit and yes particular cases sysvinit leaks zombies as well. | Jan 03 17:42 |
| oiaohm | sinit systemd and sysvinit behavour with a zombie would be fairly much identical. | Jan 03 17:42 |
| MinceR | at least sysvinit doesn't take 35MB of code to do that | Jan 03 17:42 |
| MinceR | and isn't forced on anyone | Jan 03 17:42 |
| MinceR | citation needed | Jan 03 17:43 |
| oiaohm | Really SIGCHLD is the key to zombie reaping when zombie process is reparented to pid1 | Jan 03 17:44 |
| oiaohm | That is why int main(void) { if (fork()) while (1) wait(NULL); else execl("/etc/rc", "rc", NULL); } does not work properly. | Jan 03 17:44 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6942131 | Jan 03 17:45 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #gop "seem to think that by banging the drum for increased defense spending, they can restore America's greatness." http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/12/30/rubio-bush-republican-presidential-politics/ | Jan 03 17:45 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> foreignpolicy.com | The GOP Plan to Bring Back a Unipolar World | Foreign Policy [ http://ur1.ca/odl4q ] | Jan 03 17:45 | |
| schestowitz | "empire in decline. democrats will also increase defense spending…" | Jan 03 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Not Sanders | Jan 03 17:45 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: sorry there are a lot of case of people picking out what sounded like critical bugs in systemd that turn out to be in fact nothing different to sysvinit behavour. | Jan 03 17:45 |
| MinceR | sorry, that doesn't justify this huge, hostile blob partly in pid1, blocking other system components | Jan 03 17:46 |
| oiaohm | Really picking on systemd size does not mean you have to use bogus points MinceR | Jan 03 17:47 |
| MinceR | really, systemd has more issues than you'd like to admit | Jan 03 17:47 |
| oiaohm | Sorry I do admit to issues in systemd quite critical ones like poor QA process. | Jan 03 17:47 |
| MinceR | and the funny thing is, it doesn't even make booting faster in all cases | Jan 03 17:47 |
| oiaohm | I will say too much in pid 1 | Jan 03 17:48 |
| oiaohm | Like processing unit files that should not be in pid1 | Jan 03 17:48 |
| MinceR | > systemd took ~5 minutes to boot on one of our SOCs running fedora | Jan 03 17:48 |
| MinceR | > ubuntu took ~30 seconds | Jan 03 17:48 |
| MinceR | > it was using upstart iirc | Jan 03 17:48 |
| MinceR | someone else had an issue of boot taking over 40 minutes with systemd | Jan 03 17:48 |
| oiaohm | Yep mono threading vs multi threading. | Jan 03 17:49 |
| MinceR | kind of problematic when one of the main talking points was that systemd makes booting so fast | Jan 03 17:49 |
| oiaohm | Now do you know what section of systemd is mono threaded that cripples the bugger. | Jan 03 17:49 |
| MinceR | even aside the fact that making booting faster while also sometimes making it fail entirely is not a good tradeoff | Jan 03 17:49 |
| oiaohm | Come on MinceR | Jan 03 17:49 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if anyone knows | Jan 03 17:49 |
| oiaohm | answer do you know the section or not. | Jan 03 17:50 |
| MinceR | it's a mess like m$ products, i doubt anyone understands the whole thing anymore | Jan 03 17:50 |
| oiaohm | The answer is stupidly simple. | Jan 03 17:50 |
| oiaohm | upstart multi threaded processes it configuration files systemd does not. | Jan 03 17:50 |
| oiaohm | Single threaded sysvinit is slower than systemd in almost all cases. | Jan 03 17:52 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Do you know the one case where systemd is slower than sysvinit single threaded | Jan 03 17:52 |
| MinceR | > 20 minutes after reboot it starts replying to pings | Jan 03 17:54 |
| MinceR | > sounds like standard systemd startup time to me | Jan 03 17:54 |
| MinceR | totally worth it! | Jan 03 17:54 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: simple enough edit a unit file in systemd attempt to use it triggers current system to re read every unit file. | Jan 03 17:54 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: of course editing a sysvinit init file is never that nasty. | Jan 03 17:54 |
| MinceR | i also wonder how long booting takes if systemd gives up on waiting for fsck resumes booting while fsck is still running | Jan 03 17:55 |
| MinceR | and what the result is | Jan 03 17:55 |
| oiaohm | In fact that is not a performance hit. | Jan 03 17:55 |
| oiaohm | parallel boot sysvinit in debian back in 2006 it was expermented with booting with fsck still running in background. | Jan 03 17:56 |
| MinceR | i think you'll find the fs becoming corrupted due to fsck and the fs driver writing to it at the same time will cause data loss and some things to stop working | Jan 03 17:57 |
| oiaohm | Not at all. | Jan 03 17:57 |
| MinceR | which may well result in the boot process never finishing | Jan 03 17:57 |
| oiaohm | systemd leaves filesystems still being fsck in read only. | Jan 03 17:57 |
| MinceR | how far into the "experiment" did they realize that the fs driver was not designed to work with an fsck writing to the fs and fsck was not designed to work with a live filesystem? | Jan 03 17:58 |
| oiaohm | Issues become because you cannot write. | Jan 03 17:58 |
| MinceR | have fun "booting" your system with a readonly filesystem | Jan 03 17:58 |
| oiaohm | livecds boot with read only file systems quite a long way. | Jan 03 17:58 |
| MinceR | yes, and they took quite a bit of work to enable working like that | Jan 03 17:59 |
| oiaohm | Also here is stupid mistake by you. | Jan 03 17:59 |
| MinceR | usually including unioning with a filesystem in ram, which is writable | Jan 03 17:59 |
| MinceR | which you'll find most non-live systems don't do | Jan 03 17:59 |
| oiaohm | fsck in particular modes is in fact designed to work in read only mode. | Jan 03 17:59 |
| MinceR | fixing fs errors in read only mode will work just fine, i presume | Jan 03 17:59 |
| MinceR | because magic | Jan 03 18:00 |
| oiaohm | Default fsck on sysvinit systems normally did not fix errors. | Jan 03 18:00 |
| oiaohm | Instead forced you to boot to single then fix. | Jan 03 18:00 |
| MinceR | not to mention that the corrupted data which was read by the driver before fsck tried to fix it will still be in use | Jan 03 18:00 |
| MinceR | if only they didn't break single | Jan 03 18:00 |
| oiaohm | Issue here is not writing. | Jan 03 18:01 |
| oiaohm | exactly. | Jan 03 18:01 |
| oiaohm | The bigger issues is reading before validated. | Jan 03 18:01 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: interesting enough file systems marked under systemd in fstab to be loaded by the initrd will be fully validated before system starts. | Jan 03 18:03 |
| MinceR | afaik they also changed the contents of the initramfs for the sake of systemd | Jan 03 18:03 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Jan 03 18:04 |
| oiaohm | errors use to happen under sysvinit as well due to odd issues like writing to /var a log message about a fdisk error before /var was mounted. | Jan 03 18:05 |
| MinceR | how many decades ago did that happen? | Jan 03 18:05 |
| oiaohm | Moving some more mountings in initramfs improved sysvinit stablity. | Jan 03 18:05 |
| oiaohm | different fdisk programs have different stupidity under Linux MinceR | Jan 03 18:06 |
| oiaohm | First case I know of with /var directory having crap written in it by fdisk in boot process was 1995 | Jan 03 18:07 |
| oiaohm | So this was one of those outstanding unfixed sysvinit bugs under Linux. | Jan 03 18:07 |
| oiaohm | That happened to get fixed when systemd developers changed a few things. | Jan 03 18:07 |
| oiaohm | Yes some place systemd developers were sane that by end of initramfs that all core file systems should be mounted is right. | Jan 03 18:08 |
| MinceR | so, 15 years before they started hacking systemd together | Jan 03 18:09 |
| oiaohm | The fault is older than when I first saw it. | Jan 03 18:10 |
| oiaohm | Could go right back to the birth of Linux. | Jan 03 18:10 |
| oiaohm | Even possilbiy before. | Jan 03 18:10 |
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| schestowitz | >> Maybe Shariah next... we have some such courts in the UK now. | Jan 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > The UK also has sharia "banks" which is also very worrisome since they | Jan 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > establish an economic base to the very nasty politics. Back in the | Jan 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > middle East I gather that the money that goes for oil makes only a few | Jan 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > people rich, then the rest is spent on madrassas. I get the impression | Jan 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > that any infrastructure for some of the countries, such as Saudi Arabia, | Jan 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > is actually hired in from foreigners. | Jan 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > But in Sweden, I suspect that many areas are already functionally under | Jan 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > sharia. Last year the police admitted that they can't deal. There are | Jan 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > some fifty neighborhoods where they don't / can't go. I read the other | Jan 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > day about a recent small riot where the police just didn't show up at | Jan 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > all. That was in a small, once peaceful town which I had visited many | Jan 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > times back before it turned. In photos, about other topics, scenes of | Jan 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > downtown areas around the country there are a lot of extreme muslim | Jan 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > costumes in the backgrounds. | Jan 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | > I can't find much in English though. If you can take the publisher with | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | > a grain of salt, there is this: | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | > http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2015/April/Ex-Muslim-Koran-Revealed-a-Religion-I-Did-Not-Like/ | Jan 03 21:25 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www1.cbn.com | Ex-Muslim: Koran Revealed a Religion I Did Not Like | CBN.com (beta) | Jan 03 21:25 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | > and with Google Translate you could look at this: | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | > https://www.gp.se/nyheter/goteborg/1.2864445-is-narvaro-skrammer-assyrier-i-goteborg | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | > There is also a writer, Hanna Gadban, an Iraqi living in Sweden. She is | Jan 03 21:25 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.gp.se | IS närvaro skrämmer assyrier i Göteborg - Göteborg - Göteborgs-Posten [ http://ur1.ca/odlyr ] | Jan 03 21:25 | |
| schestowitz | > under constant death threats like Mona Walter but her offense is just | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | > calling for moderation. But she only writes in Swedish, no English. | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | > There used to be a lot written about "honor" killings and they were | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | > trending upward over some years, but coverage disappeared suddenly. | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | There is a similar problem in Israel, where extremism comes from two directions. | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | First, "honor" killings do exist (in the Israeli Arab community) and they do get discussed in public. I haven't heard of similar things in the UK for over a decade now, but I suppose it does still happen (I don't read newspapers much). | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | On the other side, which is less fatal (unless you include so-called 'settlers'), you have orthodox neighbourhood where young children, indoctrinated by their parents, would even fling stones at dogs or act crudely with non-religious folks. That's a form of Jewish extremism. | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | I cannot quite think of any Christian equivalents. Suffice to say, the above is considered a form of extremism, though I think "honour" killings (or retaliation for apostasy) won't even qualify as very extreme in some quarters, only "necessary". | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure to what degree the situation in Sweden can be considered a fringe phenomenon or a vocal minority. Sometimes it's enough for a very small violent minority (<0.001%) to scare the rest of their ethical group, possible threatening death to critics among their communities. | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Twitter, BTW, is increasing censorship right now. On the surface this extend to banning speech against religion, so here they are joining the likes of Facebook, and not just in countries such as India (where atheistic views can be deleted). | Jan 03 21:25 |
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| schestowitz | He could try to promise reforms as a VP, but I hope this will never happen; it's a sellout; he's already too kind towards here in debates | Jan 03 21:55 |
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| r_schestowitz | >> There is a similar problem in Israel, where extremism comes from two | Jan 04 12:07 |
| r_schestowitz | >> directions. | Jan 04 12:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jan 04 12:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > Yes, Israel is an unfortunate situation. The Jews there, too, like the | Jan 04 12:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > muslims in Indonesia and elsewhere use transmigration, apartheid, and | Jan 04 12:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > genocide. | Jan 04 12:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jan 04 12:07 |
| r_schestowitz | >> First, "honor" killings do exist ... | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > They exist in Sweden and were (are?) becoming more and more common. My | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > guess is that the news has decided to either stop covering them or more | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > likely label them as something else and they are still common and / or | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > increasing. Also, FGM is epidemic in Sweden nowadays. Even Falkvinge | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > noticed it in the news. | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | What's FGM? | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | >> I'm not sure to what degree the situation in Sweden can be considered a | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | >> fringe phenomenon or a vocal minority. Sometimes it's enough for a very | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | >> small violent minority (<0.001%) to scare the rest of their ethical | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | >> group, possible threatening death to critics among their communities. | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > As far as I can tell, it is very nearly the whole lot, not a small | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > percentage, especially if one projects what we are experiencing here in | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > Finland. Though you are right in general about the impact of negative | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > influences on others. I know indirectly[1] someone in the UK who used | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > to be modern but now feels forced to wear a hijab. But the same goes | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > for positive influence. As a student, I found that if even 5% were | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > active in a positive way, an organization would run well. If it was 10% | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > it would run great and if it could hit 15% (almost impossible) it would | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > be legendary. But I don't see that positive influence in the nordic or | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > scandanvian countries, only the negative. | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | >> Twitter, BTW, is increasing censorship right now. On the surface this | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | >> extend to banning speech against religion, so here they are joining the | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | >> likes of Facebook, and not just in countries such as India (where | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | >> atheistic views can be deleted). | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > I would like to promote Diaspora but it still is 100% javascript. | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > That's not feasible to get behind. Ever. I suspect that is done | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > intentionally to prevent it from getting adopted. Anyway, as far as I | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > can tell the centralized services were promoted over decentralized ones | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > like Usenet purely because they could be controlled, monitored and | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > censored. | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | Diaspora activity went down sharply in the past few months. Sadly.. | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > [1] Hey, it's not an "anecdote", its artisanal, hand-crafted data. | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> ... them as something else and they are still common and / or | Jan 04 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> >> increasing. Also, FGM is epidemic in Sweden nowadays. Even Falkvinge | Jan 04 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> >> noticed it in the news. | Jan 04 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > | Jan 04 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > What's FGM? | Jan 04 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | > Female genital mutilation. | Jan 04 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jan 04 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | > e.g. | Jan 04 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jan 04 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | > http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/fgm-in-sweden-school-where-every-single-girl-in-one-class-underwent-procedure-exposed-9552854.html | Jan 04 12:46 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.independent.co.uk | FGM in Sweden: School where every single girl in one class underwent procedure exposed | Europe | News | The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/ho61t ] | Jan 04 12:46 | |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jan 04 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | > http://swedenreport.org/2015/01/16/swedens-38000-mutilated-girls/ | Jan 04 12:46 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-swedenreport.org | Sweden’s 38 000 mutilated girls | THE SWEDEN REPORT [ http://ur1.ca/odos7 ] | Jan 04 12:46 | |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jan 04 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | > It's strange that once Sweden was considered the Saudi Arabia of | Jan 04 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | > feminism, but now anything excused because of islam is a-ok | Jan 04 12:47 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jan 04 12:47 |
| r_schestowitz | > BTW here is a pretty accurate rant about the situation there in general: | Jan 04 12:47 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jan 04 12:47 |
| r_schestowitz | > http://swedenreport.org/2015/06/02/goodbye-sweden/ | Jan 04 12:47 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-swedenreport.org | Goodbye Sweden | THE SWEDEN REPORT [ http://ur1.ca/odos9 ] | Jan 04 12:47 | |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jan 04 12:47 |
| r_schestowitz | > a problem here is that Finland likes to copy Sweden closely. | Jan 04 12:47 |
| r_schestowitz | I didn't know it's even allowed outside of N Africa... | Jan 04 12:47 |
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| schestowitz | > Hi Roy and Rianne, | Jan 04 16:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 04 16:26 |
| schestowitz | > Hope you are well. Unfortunately I cannot offer the 12 months for the price of 11. I can however offer 'Join for a coin.' This offer means that ex members can re-join for an admin fee of only £1 and pay no membership fee until Feb 1st if they re-join before the 17th January. This is the best offer I could give you alongside the lower membership rate. Please let me know if you would like anymore information. | Jan 04 16:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 04 16:26 |
| schestowitz | > Kind regards | Jan 04 16:26 |
| schestowitz | > Dayna | Jan 04 16:26 |
| schestowitz | Hi Dayna | Jan 04 16:26 |
| schestowitz | We couldn't have joined earlier than this month. If the best offer we can get is nearly 50 pounds a month, then we will renew with Thistle in a couple of weeks. | Jan 04 16:26 |
| schestowitz | Kind regards, | Jan 04 16:26 |
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| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@agente_smithe: RT @LadyKorenwolf: @schestowitz to quote my husband: "'Home of the Brave'? Yeah, right." America, Home of the Terrified. | Jan 04 16:28 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@agente_smithe: RT @schestowitz: If an operating system/kernel can claim ~7 billion users (microwaves, phones, etc.) it's #linux and not #microsoft | Jan 04 16:28 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/684070475941736449 | Jan 04 18:04 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@kstallett: @schestowitz @CNET Really impressed with cheaper android devices at the mo like the wileyfox swift and Meizu note. Both great phones. | Jan 04 18:04 | |
| schestowitz | Archos has some very cheap tablets | Jan 04 18:05 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kragen/status/684119950521430016 | Jan 04 21:17 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@kragen: RT @schestowitz S.F. #police never even attempted to refute or rebut the accusations of rape and beatings (on the head) against it. #murdock | Jan 04 21:17 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Mysmartprivacy/status/684144156382334976 | Jan 04 23:05 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Mysmartprivacy: @schestowitz @All4Privacy What about corporate surveillance via SmartTech? Learn more: https://t.co/oTwbNZUfXI https://t.co/P7BiGb7nVF | Jan 04 23:05 | |
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| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@PoodPewdiepie: GOTY Awards is nonsense. It's a matter of taste, ripe for gaming/ballot stuffing/etc. https://t.co/a0IUfLJJKv | Jan 05 03:49 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: GOTY Awards is nonsense. It's a matter of taste, ripe for gaming/ballot stuffing/etc. https://t.co/xD959vb22m | Jan 05 03:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ldbrillante/status/684265701113122817 | Jan 05 06:57 |
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| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Reconquista1970: Had the Oregon Militiamen murdered Hundreds of Thousands like their Islamist contemporaries,they would be dead now https://t.co/TTiTQX5cDc | Jan 05 09:19 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: If the Oregon Militiamen Were Muslim or Black, They'd Probably Be Dead By Now https://t.co/8p6Jr1D1FY of course. See MOVE. | Jan 05 09:19 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/684280894459363329 | Jan 05 09:19 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Zeipt: @radiosvoboda лучше бы @POTUS усилил контроль за полицаями https://t.co/lsGdeAcOLj | Jan 05 09:19 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Here’s What Happened When Black People Tried Armed Occupation https://t.co/1Tt9eyaWsg "MOVE were bombed and burned alive" | Jan 05 09:20 | |
| schestowitz | this is a frightening story, and seductively well made documentary | Jan 05 10:01 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6945270 | Jan 05 10:01 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "wrongful rape conviction... evidence suggests Avery was failed by the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Office" https://reason.com/blog/2016/01/04/making-a-murderer-documentary #police | Jan 05 10:01 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://reason.com/blog/2016/01/04/making-a-murderer-documentary ) | Jan 05 10:01 | |
| schestowitz | this is a frightening story, and seductively well made documentary" | Jan 05 10:01 |
| schestowitz | WOnder how many similar cases have no documentary about them | Jan 05 10:01 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6945283 | Jan 05 10:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Distracting the voters from the Greens (or a third party) using Sanders? http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/01/04/why-sanders-will-not-be-the-democratic-nominee-no-matter-what-happens-in-the-primaries/ | Jan 05 10:02 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Couldn't resolve host 'www.counterpunch.org' ( status 0 @ http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/01/04/why-sanders-will-not-be-the-democratic-nominee-no-matter-what-happens-in-the-primaries/ ) | Jan 05 10:02 | |
| schestowitz | "is that trying to imply that the Greens, or any 3rd party, would have a real chance, when he doesn’t? If he is destined to lose, than the real point of him doing the best he can is to pull Hillary as far to left as he can, and put at least some element of reality in the topics up for discussion in the presidential race." | Jan 05 10:02 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he should run independently | Jan 05 10:02 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6945258 | Jan 05 10:04 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Dutch govt says no to backdoors, slides $540k into #OpenSSL without breaking eye contact http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01/04/dutch_government_says_no_to_backdoors/ good! | Jan 05 10:04 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.theregister.co.uk | Dutch govt says no to backdoors, slides $540k into OpenSSL without breaking eye contact • The Register | Jan 05 10:04 | |
| schestowitz | "if it’s open, it’s kind of a patio-breezeway-thing" | Jan 05 10:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2016/Jan-05/330208-israel-restrictions-prompt-un-envoy-to-quit.ashx | Jan 05 10:49 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.dailystar.com.lb | Israel restrictions prompt U.N. envoy to quit | News , Middle East | THE DAILY STAR [ http://ur1.ca/odssw ] | Jan 05 10:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/684325545895575552 | Jan 05 10:52 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz I still remember when suddenly, all keyboards had it. Fucking hated it! Spent years popping them off, use stickers now. | Jan 05 10:52 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/bastianbest/status/684403734793850880 | Jan 05 16:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@bastianbest: It's not really "around the law", it IS the current law concerning #swpats in #Germany... https://t.co/K7eEt8pyi4 | Jan 05 16:02 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: German software patents on graphical user interfaces? https://t.co/H3E1yxltsw Best way to get around the law? #swpats | Jan 05 16:02 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/684454123924787200 | Jan 05 19:25 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SeaH2ONymph: Yes it matters. It proves that yet again there are no truly positive candidates on offer in #US. https://t.co/kLwD2py9oT | Jan 05 19:25 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Does Bernie Sanders’ Imperialism Matter? https://t.co/PjrqVoOuM4 an elephant in Bern's room | Jan 05 19:25 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/684455722847830017 | Jan 05 19:26 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Caution: I suspect this is what *really* killed Alan Turing. | Jan 05 19:26 | |
| schestowitz | An apple chip... | Jan 05 19:26 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6945961 | Jan 05 19:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "proposal of the European patent Office to forbid all former employees to continue their lives with a job in IP" http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-secrets-out-agreed-text-of-eu-trade.html?showComment=1451993043707#c7650599002912646681 #epo | Jan 05 19:35 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6945984 | Jan 05 19:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Talking points straight out of Tel Aviv? Silence is deafening on NSA spying http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/01/taking_points_straight_out_of_tel_aviv_silence_is.html #israel meddling with #us foreign policy and vice versa | Jan 05 19:35 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.nj.com | Talking points straight out of Tel Aviv? Silence is deafening on NSA spying | Mulshine | NJ.com [ http://ur1.ca/odugq ] | Jan 05 19:35 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/684462640442281984 | Jan 05 19:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Messgorough: @schestowitz What should people be using instead of intel? It's everywhere these days. | Jan 05 19:55 | |
| schestowitz | ARM is doing better these days | Jan 05 19:55 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/684463495660834816 | Jan 05 19:57 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Messgorough: @schestowitz But can ARM run a gaming desktop? | Jan 05 19:57 | |
| schestowitz | Hardly, but Power can... | Jan 05 19:57 |
| MinceR | depends on the game :> | Jan 05 19:57 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/684469286878855168 | Jan 05 20:45 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Turing at Bell Labs ~1952 doing 1st Hg-Ge PNP junction; & died mos. before GE 1st mass-produced transistors, which he needed. | Jan 05 20:45 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/684477466786709505 | Jan 05 20:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Baked, not fried. https://t.co/XyhQqAKu4J | Jan 05 20:54 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/684688181942431744 | Jan 06 10:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SeaH2ONymph: If #Obama is Climate Leader, Why is #US #Military Number One Global Polluter? https://t.co/njwyDQvmoE https://t.co/VtS48BXgmL | Jan 06 10:55 | |
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| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: If Obama is a Climate Leader, Why Is US Oil Industry Booming? https://t.co/49ayaFRgzP leader in talking and crying | Jan 06 10:55 | |
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| schestowitz | Readers may like to know that the decision arrived at by the IPO examiner was in fact upheld on appeal to the Appointed Person - see | Jan 06 21:01 |
| schestowitz | https://www.ipo.gov.uk/t-challenge-decision-results/o28715.pdf | Jan 06 21:01 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/01/le-journal-danne-frank-sufficiently.html?showComment=1452091949938#c5314084822856796646 | Jan 06 21:01 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: ‘Le Journal d’Anne Frank’: sufficiently distinctive to be a trade mark, says OHIM Fourth Board of Appeal [ http://ur1.ca/odz7v ] | Jan 06 21:01 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/pepelepunque/status/684874066562551808 | Jan 06 23:40 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@pepelepunque: Wow. Some shit. https://t.co/qSxEJmNFDf | Jan 06 23:40 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #Turkey Has Released VICE News Journalist Mohammed Rasool On Bail https://t.co/OYM0aPZTdi could be worse: https://t.co/6svVZtzq4V | Jan 06 23:40 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/684875084238958592 | Jan 06 23:40 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz lol, one is written by me :P | Jan 06 23:40 | |
| schestowitz | WHO are you!!!!? :-) | Jan 06 23:40 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6948388 | Jan 07 09:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #GNOME Maps Will Allow Users to Add POIs on #OpenStreetMap http://news.softpedia.com/news/gnome-maps-to-allow-users-to-add-pois-on-openstreetmap-498515.shtml | Jan 07 09:02 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> news.softpedia.com | GNOME Maps Will Allow Users to Add POIs on OpenStreetMap [ http://ur1.ca/oe02j ] | Jan 07 09:02 | |
| schestowitz | "I take it POI means points of interest" | Jan 07 09:02 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6948530 | Jan 07 09:42 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: VIDEO: Bernie #Sanders Inveighs Against #WallStreet in Major Address on Economic Policy Proposals http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/video_bernie_sanders_inveighs_against_wall_street_in_major_address_20160106 'ENDING “TOO BIG TO FAIL”' | Jan 07 09:42 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.truthdig.com | VIDEO: Bernie Sanders Inveighs Against Wall Street in Major Address on Economic Policy Proposals - Truthdig [ http://ur1.ca/oe18a ] | Jan 07 09:42 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/encycl/status/685034583557931008 https://twitter.com/encycl/status/685034731910479872 | Jan 07 09:56 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@encycl: @schestowitz I'm opposed to the change to, but I've read the plan is to hide past the 140 characters. | Jan 07 09:56 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@encycl: @schestowitz Still, it will destroy what I find attractive about the Twitter platform. | Jan 07 09:56 | |
| schestowitz | So if you don't click, you'll miss something (other than a URL) | Jan 07 09:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/WeiDeLi14/status/685034919509139459 | Jan 07 09:56 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@WeiDeLi14: @schestowitz They never sent it when I requested either. Agree. | Jan 07 09:56 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6946877 | Jan 07 09:57 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #obama was chosen by some (esp. non-whites) on the basis of appearing non-white; he changed almost nothing. Helps distract from 3rd parties | Jan 07 09:57 | |
| schestowitz | "his predecessor started a war and caused untold suffering in the middle east, set up gitmo and damaged the US reputation around the world. Obama may not be perfect but no leader in the west seems to be these days. Politicians seem to be out of touch with the people and even more out of touch on how to deal with problems." | Jan 07 09:57 |
| schestowitz | bush also left economic woes. | Jan 07 09:57 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/encycl/status/685037447546191873 | Jan 07 10:00 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@encycl: @schestowitz you'll miss characters 141 - 10,000. | Jan 07 10:00 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/LozKaye/status/685038272700100609 | Jan 07 10:14 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@LozKaye: @schestowitz 🐧 :) | Jan 07 10:14 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/685065747488485378 https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/685065873963528192 | Jan 07 12:01 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz The number of people who understand the problem far outnubmers that of the deniers, see the ongoing #einearmlaenge shitstorm. | Jan 07 12:01 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz Germany has the worst political journalism of any country I know, so a lot of the criticism is now directed at mainstream media | Jan 07 12:01 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/simon_oakden/status/685085142768087040 | Jan 07 13:07 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@simon_oakden: @schestowitz @sine_injuria We've been passengers in this slow car crash for years but we preferred to believe the BS Tory propaganda. | Jan 07 13:07 | |
| schestowitz | > == | Jan 07 13:17 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 07 13:17 |
| schestowitz | > http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/01/got-an-opinion-to-share-about-dmca-takedowns-let-the-copyright-office-know/ | Jan 07 13:17 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-arstechnica.com | US Copyright Office is taking comments about how well the DMCA is working | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/oe1pw ] | Jan 07 13:17 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 07 13:17 |
| schestowitz | > == | Jan 07 13:17 |
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| schestowitz | > older: | Jan 07 13:17 |
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| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-status.linode.com | Linode Status - Security Notification and Linode Manager Password Reset [ http://ur1.ca/oe1px ] | Jan 07 13:17 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 07 13:17 |
| schestowitz | > == | Jan 07 13:17 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ISemiliy/status/685088653006221312 | Jan 07 13:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@ISemiliy: https://t.co/BJR2esIWTs RT schestowitz: A single #gas well leak is California's biggest contributor to #climatech… https://t.co/ry0pdtx8X9 | Jan 07 13:37 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.youtube.com | Lean on By Major Lazer & DJ Snake feat Barack Obama - YouTube | Jan 07 13:37 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: A single #gas well leak is California's biggest contributor to #climatechange https://t.co/FpEopMQ1ZN #methane | Jan 07 13:37 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- (Re-tweeted by glynmoody) | Jan 07 13:37 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/685101455695605760 | Jan 07 14:12 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@matthewstinar: Facebook is a big enough threat to the web. We shouldn't want Twitter helping dismantle it. https://t.co/tiyAv4J1x8 | Jan 07 14:12 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #Twitter10k would help #Twitter further discourage people from writing their own articles/blogs. Further centralisation. | Jan 07 14:13 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/685110557414952960 | Jan 07 14:49 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz For non-Americans a Sanders-Trump election would be a win-win. | Jan 07 14:49 | |
| schestowitz | Sanders is shown in surveys to be in a good position to win this because it wouldn't be a choice between hawks | Jan 07 14:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/685111300339400705 | Jan 07 14:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz @AJimenez1988 Trump is the only Republican who has admitted entering Iraq was a mistake. | Jan 07 14:54 | |
| schestowitz | But what are his reasons for stating this? | Jan 07 14:55 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/685112576829554688 | Jan 07 14:56 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz I don't care if the cat is black or white, as long as he catches mice. | Jan 07 14:56 | |
| schestowitz | No, it does matter | Jan 07 14:56 |
| schestowitz | he does support murders without trial, torture etc. He's more militant than most. | Jan 07 14:57 |
| schestowitz | He advocated assassinating #snowden (illegally). Rump is a madman. With a high budget and media skills (trolling). | Jan 07 14:57 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/685113483902451712 https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/685113667491360768 | Jan 07 15:00 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz He's a madman who is willing to talk to Putin directly instead of fighting till the last Ukrainian and Alawite. | Jan 07 15:00 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz A madman who accepts that the duty of US government is first and foremost to protect US citizens. | Jan 07 15:00 | |
| schestowitz | No, he'd lead to nuclear war and another Cold War at least | Jan 07 15:01 |
| schestowitz | trump works for trump, at the expense of US citizens | Jan 07 15:01 |
| schestowitz | If you want a madman as a leading politician in the US, then you might as well also defend Putin for Russia | Jan 07 15:02 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/685114118081138689 | Jan 07 15:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Don't confuse him with Hilary. | Jan 07 15:02 | |
| schestowitz | Clinton is garbage | Jan 07 15:02 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/685114304429965317 | Jan 07 15:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz And Hilary for Hilary, Jeb for the Bushes... Wake up! | Jan 07 15:03 | |
| schestowitz | Red herring, and they're not really the alternatives | Jan 07 15:03 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/685114460785274881 | Jan 07 15:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Besides I don't care, he's better for those who are not US citizens and don't want to emigrate there. | Jan 07 15:03 | |
| schestowitz | So it's all down to immigration then? | Jan 07 15:03 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/685114733721157633 https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/685115072302190592 | Jan 07 15:06 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz I want madmen like Putin: rational, cold, calculating. They are predictable and compromises with them can be reached. | Jan 07 15:06 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Once again: I am not an American citizen. In fact I am 100% Spanish. I should be more offended by him than you. Not the case. | Jan 07 15:06 | |
| schestowitz | Watch how he speaks of Spaniards and/or native Americans | Jan 07 15:07 |
| schestowitz | Calling them "rapists and criminals" | Jan 07 15:07 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/685115891353260033 https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/685116217435262976 | Jan 07 15:14 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz So? I don't want him to love me and my country, I want him to leave us the fuck alone. | Jan 07 15:14 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz I know. So? Germans like him are barbarians, one can't take that too seriously. | Jan 07 15:14 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/earl_malmrose/status/685141930250915840 | Jan 07 16:59 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@earl_malmrose: @schestowitz They claim to be using a stock kernel, so they won't release a single line of source code. https://t.co/YVVeuYlUcu | Jan 07 16:59 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/If_It_Dont_Fit/status/685163998715752449 | Jan 07 18:21 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@If_It_Dont_Fit: @schestowitz @retroDoomer @Independent I wish they would stop fucking people over. | Jan 07 18:21 | |
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| schestowitz | > Something quick before I prepare breakfast for kids: | Jan 07 20:29 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 07 20:29 |
| schestowitz | > European Patent Office (EPO) Starts New Year With Hogwash | Jan 07 20:29 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 07 20:29 |
| schestowitz | > Have a nice day | Jan 07 20:29 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/EdSnowdenNews/status/685197614728364032 | Jan 07 20:43 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@EdSnowdenNews: NORDUnet announces CrypTech open source web security - Telecompaper https://t.co/627ZLEgEUB via @schestowitz | Jan 07 20:43 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> gettopical.com | NORDUnet announces CrypTech open source web security - Telecompaper | Jan 07 20:43 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/685207542109192192 | Jan 07 21:13 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SleepyPenguin1: Government shouldn't have right to access citizen's private data, says Information Commissioner @schestowitz https://t.co/earVk6oO9L | Jan 07 21:13 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.computing.co.uk | Government shouldn't have 'willy-nilly' right to access citizen's private data, says Information Commissioner - 07 Jan 2016 - Computing News | Jan 07 21:13 | |
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| schestowitz | > x | Jan 08 10:02 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-rolls-out-its-r-server-big-data-analytics-line-up/ | Jan 08 10:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 08 10:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.zdnet.com | Microsoft rolls out its R Server big-data analytics line-up | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/oe644 ] | Jan 08 10:02 | |
| schestowitz | > x | Jan 08 10:02 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.computerworld.com/article/3019817/data-analytics/microsoft-unwraps-a-big-data-analytics-platform-based-on-r.html | Jan 08 10:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.computerworld.com | Microsoft unwraps a big-data analytics platform based on R | Computerworld [ http://ur1.ca/oe645 ] | Jan 08 10:02 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 08 10:02 |
| schestowitz | > M$ attacks R. Noyes promoting M$ now? | Jan 08 10:02 |
| schestowitz | > x | Jan 08 10:10 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.infoworld.com/article/3019721/microsoft-windows/microsoft-is-the-company-to-watch-in-2016.html | Jan 08 10:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 08 10:10 |
| schestowitz | > x | Jan 08 10:10 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.infoworld.com/article/3019668/application-development/take-microsoft-net-cross-platform-with-xamarin.html | Jan 08 10:10 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.infoworld.com | Microsoft is the company to watch in 2016 | InfoWorld | Jan 08 10:10 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.infoworld.com | Take .Net cross-platform with Xamarin | InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/oe64r ] | Jan 08 10:10 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 08 10:10 |
| schestowitz | > spam | Jan 08 10:10 |
| schestowitz | "Re: what we requested" | Jan 08 10:13 |
| schestowitz | "Cheers, send all you got, I'll organise it..." | Jan 08 10:13 |
| schestowitz | re EPO | Jan 08 10:13 |
| schestowitz | ostatic RSS feed down | Jan 08 10:28 |
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| schestowitz | > Dear Roy, | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | > Oh man taking advantage B& K playing games afte doing homework. Send you | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | > the following one: | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | > 01.06.16 | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | > Now It’s Just Patent Lawyers (and Their Rich Clients) Against | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | > Everybody Else, Seeking to Maximise Protectionism | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | > <http://techrights.org/2016/01/06/maximising-protectionism/> | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 08 12:10 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Now It’s Just Patent Lawyers (and Their Rich Clients) Against Everybody Else, Seeking to Maximise Protectionism | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/oe6e3 ] | Jan 08 12:10 | |
| schestowitz | > Also, man the girls and gramma hook me up to watch the ¨Great British | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | > Baking show¨. Shame on me. Maybe age have softened me up. Maybe some day | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | > will taste those goodies with a mug of ale. 🍺🐧 | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | > Have a nice Friday | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | I've had a mate here whose parent was from Peru. I've not been in touch with him in a while, but last I heard he was helping out activism sites in his capacity as a sysadmin. | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/685430343139241984 | Jan 08 12:10 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Zeipt: @schestowitz twitter is very busy. It got lot of Money from Putin and is baning massively ukrainian users right now)) Sorry. Ukraine again)) | Jan 08 12:10 | |
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| schestowitz | > I'm slow to read these days. This just sank in from the ZDNet: | Jan 08 17:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 08 17:58 |
| schestowitz | > 'described as the "enhanced distribution of R from Microsoft."' | Jan 08 17:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 08 17:58 |
| schestowitz | > That looks like the same EEE that m$ tried with Java. As much as I have | Jan 08 17:58 |
| schestowitz | > respected his writing in the past, it puts paid to SJVN's assertion in | Jan 08 17:59 |
| schestowitz | > his articles that M$ is somehow changed or cooperating with FOSS. I bet | Jan 08 17:59 |
| schestowitz | > dollars to donuts that the "enhanced" version is functionally | Jan 08 17:59 |
| schestowitz | > proprietary. I also expect that the same M$ attitudes are present and | Jan 08 17:59 |
| schestowitz | > that the goal is for those trying R for the first time, but using M$ | Jan 08 17:59 |
| schestowitz | > Windows, are in for a subpar experience on purpose to turn them off R. | Jan 08 17:59 |
| schestowitz | R was never FOSS, just FOSSy. I knew this a long time ago. | Jan 08 17:59 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's move is related to a buyout which I wrote about before. | Jan 08 17:59 |
| schestowitz | Don't worry, they're losing all in all... I'm focusing on patents angles right now. | Jan 08 17:59 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gregsfortytwo/status/685562762509025280 | Jan 08 20:50 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@gregsfortytwo: @schestowitz @ircolle story says yes, and anyway Marshals don’t do stuff on their own initiative | Jan 08 20:50 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, I saw that later on... | Jan 08 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ritchiepage2001/status/685612621966503936 | Jan 09 04:04 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@ritchiepage2001: #Glass_Steagall #FeelTheBern #p2 #tlot #union #occupy #Syriac #FSA #Kurd #Baloch https://t.co/6gETANHYWH | Jan 09 04:04 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #ACLU #EFF Join Fight To Suppress Evidence Illegally Obtained With A Cell Tower Spoofer https://t.co/fgQatOdCvY #stingray for "Good Guys"? | Jan 09 04:04 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/685617429670686720 | Jan 09 04:04 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz https://t.co/cmTe5wFFbG | Jan 09 04:04 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@guardian: Silicon Valley appears open to helping US spy agencies after terrorism summit https://t.co/zq6P8dAPDQ | Jan 09 04:04 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6952484 | Jan 09 12:01 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: PINE A64, First 64-bit Mini PC That Costs $15, Raises 30 Times the Money Needed http://news.softpedia.com/news/pine-a64-is-the-first-64-bit-mini-pc-that-costs-15-runs-ubuntu-and-android-498625.shtml #android or #ubuntu | Jan 09 12:01 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> news.softpedia.com | PINE A64, First 64-bit Mini PC That Costs $15, Raises 30 Times the Money Needed [ http://ur1.ca/oeafb ] | Jan 09 12:01 | |
| schestowitz | "I wonder when any of these will be Respects Your Freedom certified. I’m not interested in them until then." | Jan 09 12:01 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6953038 | Jan 09 12:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Migrants In Europe Are Getting Stereotyped As Dangerous Criminals http://thinkprogress.org/world/2016/01/08/3737512/new-year-attacks/ #europe | Jan 09 12:02 | |
| schestowitz | "Lets talk about our raising ghettos. Areas where police will just show up with strong teams … parallel societies. Its all flowers, milk and honey … just remember big sport-Events with “No-Go-Areas”." | Jan 09 12:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> thinkprogress.org | Migrants In Europe Are Getting Stereotyped As Dangerous Criminals | ThinkProgress [ http://ur1.ca/oeafe ] | Jan 09 12:02 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6952416 | Jan 09 12:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #firefox convenience at the expense of #security http://www.myce.com/news/mozilla-enables-unsafe-encryption-algorithm-again-to-resolve-issues-with-antivirus-software-78323/ http://www.scmagazine.com/mozilla-pulls-back-on-rejecting-sha-1-certs-outright/article/463913/ http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2441116/mozilla-backs-off-sha-1-ban-as-users-blocked-from-https-websites #mozilla #sha1 | Jan 09 12:02 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 09 12:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.myce.com | Mozilla enables unsafe encryption algorithm again to resolve issues with antivirus software - Myce.com [ http://ur1.ca/oeafh ] | Jan 09 12:02 | |
| schestowitz | More harm from having a Windows port. | Jan 09 12:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.scmagazine.com | Mozilla reverses course on SHA-1 - SC Magazine [ http://ur1.ca/oeafi ] | Jan 09 12:02 | |
| schestowitz | We don’t need those anymore. Everyone’s got free software in their pocket, thanks to Android, and they all use free software on the web. Trust is as won as it ever can be and it’s time to dump Windows completely. No one should run Windows and free software people should not waste their time “supporting” it. | Jan 09 12:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.v3.co.uk | Mozilla backs off SHA-1 ban as users blocked from HTTPS websites - IT News from V3.co.uk [ http://ur1.ca/oeafj ] | Jan 09 12:02 | |
| schestowitz | We need to for people to understand that restrictions and non free software are the problem. | Jan 09 12:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 09 12:03 |
| schestowitz | Is this only affecting Windows? If so, I missed that... | Jan 09 12:03 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6953324 | Jan 09 12:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Android Marshmallow Review: The Best Mobile Platform http://www.knowyourmobile.com/devices/android-marshmallow/23415/android-marshmallow-review-best-mobile-platform #linux | Jan 09 12:03 | |
| schestowitz | "LOL: Cons A Lot of Handsets Will Not Get It." | Jan 09 12:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.knowyourmobile.com | Android Marshmallow Review: The Best Mobile Platform: Prices, Specifications, Reviews | Know Your Mobile [ http://ur1.ca/oeafk ] | Jan 09 12:03 | |
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| schestowitz | > http://www.neowin.net/news/exciting-details-begin-to-emerge-around-linux-mint-18 | Jan 09 13:29 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.neowin.net | Exciting details begin to emerge around Linux Mint 18 [ http://ur1.ca/oeal0 ] | Jan 09 13:29 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 09 13:29 |
| schestowitz | > supported until 2021 | Jan 09 13:29 |
| schestowitz | Good route out of Windows 10... | Jan 09 13:29 |
| schestowitz | Please suspend links to techdirt as after many years being on its RSS (maybe 7), then not keeping up, I'm now back to reading it exhaustively. So any links to techdirt would be things I already saw :-) | Jan 09 13:30 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/685811606744383489 | Jan 09 13:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SeaH2ONymph: #US 'talking out of both sides of its mouth': championing privacy in public, but spying on everyone in private. https://t.co/hGDXqHnde1 | Jan 09 13:35 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: How the #US Is Playing Both Ends on Data #Privacy https://t.co/0iKNnH7mHQ "really about the US talking out of both sides" | Jan 09 13:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/685813986516951040 | Jan 09 13:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SeaH2ONymph: #US #Hegemony: tech companies used as tools of national intelligence; manipulates financial & informational flows https://t.co/a0qFT25en0 | Jan 09 13:35 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: "the United States needs to disentangle the power of a U.S.-led order from the temptations of manipulating" https://t.co/MCmYiwRsGW | Jan 09 13:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ananas | Jan 09 13:46 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Ananas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Jan 09 13:46 | |
| schestowitz | "The biggest producers in 2012 were the US (12.3%), Thailand (11.4%) and the Philippines (10.9%)." | Jan 09 13:46 |
| schestowitz | >> Please suspend links to techdirt as after many years being on its RSS | Jan 09 17:55 |
| schestowitz | >> > (maybe 7), then not keeping up, I'm now back to reading it exhaustively. | Jan 09 17:55 |
| schestowitz | >> > So any links to techdirt would be things I already saw :-) | Jan 09 17:55 |
| schestowitz | > Ok. | Jan 09 17:55 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/685880976719872002 | Jan 09 17:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@kstallett: These things never get reported worldwide. https://t.co/RdvO0FDc9G | Jan 09 17:55 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Spent an hour talking to a professor from Saudi A. in Town, he said the government had started slashing 25% of everyone's salaries for #war | Jan 09 17:55 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/dailylinuxuser/status/685895799428001792 | Jan 09 18:48 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@dailylinuxuser: @schestowitz is there ever anyone in curry's | Jan 09 18:48 | |
| schestowitz | some, especially in weekends afternoon | Jan 09 18:48 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/dailylinuxuser/status/685896217256136704 | Jan 09 18:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@dailylinuxuser: @schestowitz does anybody buy anything though or is it just men killing time. they are incredibly overpriced | Jan 09 18:54 | |
| schestowitz | Currys or laptops with Windows? | Jan 09 18:54 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/dailylinuxuser/status/685898045318410240 | Jan 09 18:59 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@dailylinuxuser: @schestowitz Curry's. £7 for the same hdmi cable you can buy in poundland. their highest priced hdmi cable is over 50 quid. | Jan 09 18:59 | |
| schestowitz | yes, ripoff for the small things, like Evans Cycle | Jan 09 19:00 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MUFC_today/status/685900767488782336 | Jan 09 19:12 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MUFC_today: #MUFC are now a joke to all opposing fans! "Getting sacked in the morning" chants from the Sheffield United fans. Agree with them | Jan 09 19:12 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ZannaGimba/status/685900388336283652 | Jan 09 19:12 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@ZannaGimba: Imagine! Sheffield united holding us at home | Jan 09 19:12 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/OptaJoe/status/685898399829389313 https://twitter.com/CreativeMesut/status/685901990438645762 | Jan 09 19:14 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@OptaJoe: 67 - It took 67 minutes for a team to have a shot on target in the match between Manchester United v Sheffield United (Basham). Overdue. | Jan 09 19:14 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@CreativeMesut: LVG puts his best 11 against Sheffield United yet his team is still struggling. Lmfao. Sad to say United isn't a big club no more | Jan 09 19:14 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/mrjakehumphrey/status/685902455507447808 https://twitter.com/FLOWJamaica/status/685902184534425601 | Jan 09 19:16 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@mrjakehumphrey: Last week, Peterborough scored 3 against Sheffield United... #blank | Jan 09 19:16 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@FLOWJamaica: Sheffield United are just 7 minutes away from securing a famous draw at Old Trafford. #FACup | Jan 09 19:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Ozil_Ultra/status/685901997380382720 | Jan 09 19:16 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Ozil_Ultra: Schweini could've left Bayern a legend and gone to the MLS but instead he came to England to be pocketed by Chirs Basham of Sheffield United | Jan 09 19:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/pkwestelWFAN/status/685903338269978625 | Jan 09 19:20 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@pkwestelWFAN: Can wait for van Gaal to say Sheffield United are a top club and we should be happy with a 0-0 draw #MUFC #FACup | Jan 09 19:20 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/685947279220424704 | Jan 09 22:19 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Metztli_IT: #RacistScum—as #LePage—are manifestation of 'Murica's labor pains as it readies to birth #USAngo-#Zionist #Trump.ler https://t.co/0iWrKpC7uX | Jan 09 22:19 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: The remarks from Paul #LePage are like 80 years behind the times. If he was a German of Swedish minister in the days of #eugenics then... | Jan 09 22:19 | |
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| schestowitz | > "This document, already under development, was rushed into service | Jan 03 11:11 |
| schestowitz | > (leading to less feedback sought than we would have liked) in July 2015" | Jan 03 11:11 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 03 11:11 |
| schestowitz | > https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/2016-January/001691.html | Jan 03 11:11 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-announce/2016-January/001691.html ) | Jan 03 11:11 | |
| schestowitz | >>>>> >>>> old: | Jan 03 11:22 |
| schestowitz | >>>>>>> >>>> >> | Jan 03 11:22 |
| schestowitz | >>>>>>> >>>> >> x http://blog.teleri.net/open-microsoft/ | Jan 03 11:22 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-blog.teleri.net | Open Microsoft | Jan 03 11:22 | |
| schestowitz | >>>>> >>> > | Jan 03 11:22 |
| schestowitz | >>>>> >>> > (Standard disclaimer: I write for me, not Microsoft, despite working there) | Jan 03 11:22 |
| schestowitz | >>>>> >>> > | Jan 03 11:22 |
| schestowitz | >>>>> >>> > LOL - writing for one's wallet. | Jan 03 11:22 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> I lost the link (or sent it already) but there is a case about | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> disparagement clauses in contracts. If those are found to be invalid, | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> then maybe some former softers can come out of the cold. | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | >> > Even after leaving the company, in some cases... | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | > My sister recently was fired after working 19 years for the same | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | > company. She felt compelled to sign a non-disparagement agreement in | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | > exchange for the company deigning to allow her a month or so of | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | > severance. We saw some articles a long, long time ago that hinted that | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | > M$ uses anti-disparagement contracts. | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | Yes, these do exist. Esp. when departing CFOs, I reckon because of all the tax evasion and maybe more fraud. | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | Jan 03 11:23 | |
| schestowitz | >> > BTW, the ex-MSFT who complained about the MSFT tax dodge... his site is | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | >> > gone. He didn't renew, so it's down the sinkhole, Web Archive, or sites | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | >> > that refer to it and sometimes quote from it.... | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | > Yeah. It's hard to watch. With the web we went from a world with | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | > multiple copies of information preserved by those using the information, | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | > to one where there is a single copy that can disappear at a whim or a | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | > mistake. | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | I recently chatted with a sysadmin of the Web Archive and reported a bug. They've just made their fundraising goal of $2m. | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | Brilliant site, the most important site on the Web IMHO. | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | > In a generation, it will be all but impossible to get to the bottom of | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | > what happened in technology politically during the era 1990-2020 | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | Even before technology this was an issue. | Jan 03 11:23 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retweetinternet/status/683616376808935425 | Jan 03 12:24 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@retweetinternet: https://t.co/bTRNZTMhkO | Jan 03 12:24 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: US equated with "risk" https://t.co/XASOYqrREx this is what this once-great nation has come to? Even in eyes of Canadians? | Jan 03 12:24 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/683618165675429890 | Jan 03 12:24 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SeaH2ONymph: Concentrate on dismantling #US #WarMachine: #MIC world’s largest arms dealer; US military world's largest polluter https://t.co/7wbYjOG890 | Jan 03 12:24 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Sorrows of Empire https://t.co/DOlrQMYRLf hoarding and shedding crocodile tears https://t.co/AfKIb1QDa6 | Jan 03 12:25 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ShitZone/status/683621416122490880 | Jan 03 12:25 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@ShitZone: @schestowitz @PeterPyke Who listens to nitwit zioshill liebermann?? | Jan 03 12:25 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/683624100322000896 https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/683624338692673537 | Jan 03 12:25 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@fcassia: @schestowitz maybe not. Think of the "free upgrade offer" being delivered via WindowsUpdate to many devices which run Vista8/8.1 | Jan 03 12:25 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@fcassia: @schestowitz as vista10 does in fact use less RAM and HD space than Vista8 / Vista8.1 -a first for MS-, many will switch. | Jan 03 12:25 | |
| schestowitz | But it doesn't mean that they did. The numbers are not backed by ease of upgrade as 'evidence'. | Jan 03 12:26 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/683624579831574529 | Jan 03 12:26 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@fcassia: @schestowitz if only to get a more Vista7 like experience, escaping from the monstrosity that is Vista8 | Jan 03 12:26 | |
| schestowitz | Based on early 'adoption' numbers, 200m is a lie, they use creative counting (e.g. of licences 'issued') | Jan 03 12:27 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/z_eisberg/status/683631908165697537 | Jan 03 12:52 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@z_eisberg: RT @schestowitz #twitter is in the business of using 'free labour' users as milk[ing] cows to help sell ads (propaganda) to audiences. O ... | Jan 03 12:52 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/EsRevorTeR/status/683634090642423810 | Jan 03 13:05 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@EsRevorTeR: @schestowitz @NewsCoverUp XHR https://t.co/Zp3bru1VEI | Jan 03 13:05 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> en.wikipedia.org | XMLHttpRequest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Jan 03 13:05 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Priyansuitsme/status/683635335675301888 | Jan 03 13:06 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Priyansuitsme: @schestowitz try https://t.co/0qZNQ66ju7 #fxhelp | Jan 03 13:06 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-Couldn't resolve host 'adons.mozilla.org' ( status 0 @ http://adons.mozilla.org ) | Jan 03 13:06 | |
| schestowitz | but which plugin? | Jan 03 13:06 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/683638312616214529 https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/683638505621340160 | Jan 03 13:19 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Messgorough: @newshtwit @schestowitz Except it's not, we haven't been free for a very long time. Failure to realise that is why it has gotten so bad. | Jan 03 13:19 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@fcassia: @schestowitz maybe you're right. they've used before the trick of flooding the channel w boxes and counting as sales. we'll never know | Jan 03 13:19 | |
| schestowitz | >>>> I heard something similar and it was said that the ethnicity of the | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>>> >>> culprit must never be mentioned in the media. | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> That is correct. Same in Denmark. They made the prohibition while I | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> was still there and the news became much harder to interpret. I could | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> go on for a while about what has been happening in Denmark the last 20 | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> years, too. | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> Maybe it is lack of information, since I haven't gone to the effort of | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> reading any news, but Tromsø might still be good. I was back for a | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> visit in 2007 and aside from the sea having died and the fish gone, | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> things were ok. Their film festival is quite nice, and if the town is | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> the same, very worth a visit: | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> 26th Tromsø International Film Festival, Jan 18 - 24, 2016: | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> http://tiff.no/en/program | Jan 03 13:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-tiff.no | Program 2016 | Tromsø Internasjonale Filmfestival | Jan 03 13:55 | |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> A lot of Nordic, Scandinavian and Arctic movies not likely to turn up | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> elsewhere. Tromsø is a really nice city the size of a town. I found it | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> to have a far more accessible culture scene than Copenhagen. | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >> > It's useful to have it confirmed that the media is compelled to | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | >> > self-censor in the name of "peace". | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | > Peace (appeasement) with aggressive, violent colonizers is not going to | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | > end well for the indigenous population. | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 03 13:55 |
| schestowitz | > In one neighborhood, a friend was bragging about all the services to | Jan 03 13:56 |
| schestowitz | > someone else from another neighborhood. After a long list like schools, | Jan 03 13:56 |
| schestowitz | > daycare, a branch library and so one, he added "and a police station". | Jan 03 13:56 |
| schestowitz | > The visitor, didn't miss a beat and replied, "ours doesn't need one" :( | Jan 03 13:56 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Shariah next... we have some such courts in the UK now. | Jan 03 13:56 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6940160 | Jan 03 16:29 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Debian, please plan for Stretch https://nthykier.wordpress.com/2016/01/01/debian-please-plan-for-stretch/ #debian #gnu #linux | Jan 03 16:29 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> nthykier.wordpress.com | Debian, please plan for Stretch | nthykier | Jan 03 16:29 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 03 16:29 |
| schestowitz | I don’t think Debian will allow that going forward. | Jan 03 16:29 |
| schestowitz | One of the major reasons during the endless war cited by DPL to bring peace was Jessie freeze is done, there is nothing which could be done for jessie. #stretch should support alternate init daemon or maybe thanks to devuan splitting up it allw ent no where. | Jan 03 16:29 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 03 16:29 |
| MinceR | even if they allowed it in stretch, there would be no knowing what they would fuck up | Jan 03 16:33 |
| MinceR | it's not reasonable to rely on an allegedly stable distro that randomly fucks up with things like systemd | Jan 03 16:34 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: chicken vs egg class problem. systemd shim is still in testing with the option to put back sysvinit with debian. | Jan 03 16:51 |
| MinceR | no, it's the problem of having no understanding what a "stable release" means | Jan 03 16:51 |
| oiaohm | Stable release is not strictly defined. | Jan 03 16:52 |
| MinceR | therefore it should be meaningless? | Jan 03 16:52 |
| MinceR | we already had such distros | Jan 03 16:52 |
| MinceR | like arch | Jan 03 16:52 |
| oiaohm | Debian even in the stable release the option to switch back to sysvinit. | Jan 03 16:53 |
| MinceR | yeah, either removing a ton of packages you'd be using, or not actually removing systemd | Jan 03 16:53 |
| oiaohm | Debian did not just jump to systemd and not provide an option of going back. | Jan 03 16:53 |
| MinceR | and even if you have it remove a lot of packages, you'll still have libsystemd around | Jan 03 16:53 |
| oiaohm | systemd-shim was being used before systemd was default. | Jan 03 16:54 |
| MinceR | yeah, they provided hobson's choice | Jan 03 16:54 |
| oiaohm | Really distrobutions have done that for years. | Jan 03 16:55 |
| oiaohm | So exactly what is new about that. | Jan 03 16:55 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: don't you remember when debian added parrall booting to sysvinit | Jan 03 16:56 |
| oiaohm | That was before systemd by a long way. | Jan 03 16:56 |
| MinceR | so we've arrived at the "systemd is not a big deal" stage | Jan 03 16:56 |
| oiaohm | MinceR parallel booting sysvinit http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/initscripts-ng-devel/2005-September/000212.html 2005 | Jan 03 16:58 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-lists.alioth.debian.org | Please test parallel booting in new sysvinit version [ http://ur1.ca/odky8 ] | Jan 03 16:58 | |
| MinceR | did parallel booting come with its own version of udev, [x]inetd, crond, atd, syslogd, firewall, bootloader, dns cache, webserver, container provisioner and ntpd built into it? | Jan 03 16:58 |
| MinceR | did parallel booting come with a set of unstable undocumented APIs desktop environments depended on? | Jan 03 16:59 |
| oiaohm | No it did not but it could effectively snap everyone of those by loading them in the wrong order. | Jan 03 16:59 |
| MinceR | if you can't understand that these things don't belong in an init/rc system, i don't think we have anything to discuss | Jan 03 16:59 |
| oiaohm | That is just your point of view. | Jan 03 17:00 |
| oiaohm | Lot of system parts are independant binaries. | Jan 03 17:01 |
| oiaohm | systemd meant there. | Jan 03 17:01 |
| oiaohm | So not in fact built into the init section of the code. | Jan 03 17:01 |
| MinceR | with poettering's definition of "independent" | Jan 03 17:01 |
| MinceR | i guess without understanding the fundamentals of software engineering, it's impossible to understand why the entire concept of systemd is broken | Jan 03 17:01 |
| oiaohm | Then the concept that busybox is based on is broken. | Jan 03 17:02 |
| oiaohm | Software engineering does not forbid a solution having all those parts provided as part of 1 project. | Jan 03 17:03 |
| oiaohm | Software engineering does get upset with the lack of clear separation of parts inside project. | Jan 03 17:03 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: if you had done software engineering you would know picking out that it has lots of different features provided is not a fault. | Jan 03 17:04 |
| oiaohm | Also the desktop like gnome did not use undocumented functions. They used documented and not defined stable yet. | Jan 03 17:06 |
| MinceR | if you had any valid arguments for systemd, you wouldn't need to twist my words to make it seem like you had any. | Jan 03 17:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: one of the things about systemd api/abi is that is is very well documents. | Jan 03 17:06 |
| oiaohm | documented. | Jan 03 17:06 |
| MinceR | then i must have dreamed the warning about unstable APIs | Jan 03 17:07 |
| MinceR | and that the implementer of LoginKit found that gdm uses those unstable APIs | Jan 03 17:07 |
| oiaohm | Something can be documented and unstable. | Jan 03 17:07 |
| MinceR | even though they're not supposed to be used | Jan 03 17:07 |
| MinceR | also, looks like you haven't seen the source code of systemd | Jan 03 17:07 |
| oiaohm | Systemd is documented and unstable in api/abis. | Jan 03 17:07 |
| oiaohm | I have been though the source code and the documententation. | Jan 03 17:07 |
| oiaohm | They do line up. | Jan 03 17:08 |
| oiaohm | Also MinceR tell me where is systemd automatic build server to set every patch submitted. That right it does not have one. | Jan 03 17:08 |
| oiaohm | to set/ to test | Jan 03 17:09 |
| MinceR | "we do not test for this" | Jan 03 17:09 |
| oiaohm | That is a breach of software engineering. | Jan 03 17:09 |
| oiaohm | For something as critical as a init system you would think setting up automatic build systems with fault checking would be the first thing todo. | Jan 03 17:10 |
| MinceR | or you could actually keep it as simple as possible | Jan 03 17:11 |
| oiaohm | Sorry no | Jan 03 17:11 |
| oiaohm | Even as simple as possible a person can human error doing a patch MinceR | Jan 03 17:11 |
| MinceR | yeah, it's impossible | Jan 03 17:11 |
| MinceR | as shown by several examples people have done | Jan 03 17:11 |
| MinceR | maybe it's impossible for poettering to keep the design and the code simple | Jan 03 17:12 |
| oiaohm | Every init system with a automatic build server has out done those without. | Jan 03 17:12 |
| MinceR | since he worships complexity | Jan 03 17:12 |
| MinceR | just like the drones at m$ | Jan 03 17:12 |
| oiaohm | Debian internally build and modified sysvinit had been running a quality control build server. | Jan 03 17:13 |
| oiaohm | So like it or not a automatic build and QA like cppcheck run over server applies just as much to sysvinit as systemd or any other init system you could name. | Jan 03 17:14 |
| oiaohm | Number of faults cppcheck finds in systemd is insane. | Jan 03 17:15 |
| MinceR | unsurprising | Jan 03 17:15 |
| MinceR | considering that it's a) massive and b) written by idiots | Jan 03 17:15 |
| MinceR | http://git.suckless.org/sinit/tree/sinit.c | Jan 03 17:16 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-git.suckless.org | sinit - suckless init | Jan 03 17:16 | |
| MinceR | this doesn't look like it needs a lot of patching, automatic building or checking | Jan 03 17:16 |
| MinceR | and it isn't even minimal | Jan 03 17:16 |
| MinceR | iirc someone pasted an init on irc which was an oneliner in c | Jan 03 17:18 |
| MinceR | s/an o/a o/ | Jan 03 17:18 |
| oiaohm | Ok even that has something that can raise warning http://linux.die.net/man/2/_exit | Jan 03 17:20 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-linux.die.net | _exit(2): terminate calling process - Linux man page | Jan 03 17:20 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: code contains no clear explain why _exit was used over using normal exit. "atexit(3)" "on_exit(3)" can in fact be used inside the libc | Jan 03 17:22 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: even a what appears to be a super simple init can be using functions it should not be and cause extra effects because of it. | Jan 03 17:23 |
| MinceR | 181655 < MinceR> and it isn't even minimal | Jan 03 17:23 |
| oiaohm | init system is limited on how minimal it can be. | Jan 03 17:24 |
| oiaohm | Or it will not respond to signals correctly. | Jan 03 17:24 |
| MinceR | int main(void) { if (fork()) while (1) wait(NULL); else execl("/etc/rc", "rc", NULL); } | Jan 03 17:25 |
| oiaohm | Invalid by posix standards. | Jan 03 17:25 |
| oiaohm | sinit was valid by standards. | Jan 03 17:25 |
| MinceR | will build and function correctly | Jan 03 17:26 |
| oiaohm | No it will not function correctly. | Jan 03 17:26 |
| oiaohm | SIGCHLD, sigreap note that in sinit. | Jan 03 17:26 |
| MinceR | citation needed | Jan 03 17:26 |
| oiaohm | That is to reap zombie processes. | Jan 03 17:26 |
| MinceR | that's what the while (1) wait(NULL); does | Jan 03 17:26 |
| oiaohm | No | Jan 03 17:27 |
| oiaohm | That leaves zombie processes a live not killing them off. | Jan 03 17:27 |
| oiaohm | SIGUSR1, sigpoweroff and SIGINT, sigreboot is also required by standard. | Jan 03 17:28 |
| MinceR | that functionality can be implemented outside pid1 | Jan 03 17:28 |
| oiaohm | In fact no. | Jan 03 17:28 |
| MinceR | in fact yes | Jan 03 17:28 |
| oiaohm | Posix standard says those have to be sent to PID 1 | Jan 03 17:28 |
| MinceR | tell me more about how systemd doesn't violate posix | Jan 03 17:29 |
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| MinceR | iirc the only reason sysvinit needs these signals is so it won't try to respawn processes while you're trying to shut down | Jan 03 17:31 |
| MinceR | other than that, you can in fact kill all processes other than pid1 and yourself, remount filesystems readonly and shutdown or reboot | Jan 03 17:32 |
| oiaohm | Just because there are other ways does not mean you cannot magically do what was written into the standard. | Jan 03 17:35 |
| MinceR | you might also want to talk about how merged /usr doesn't violate the FHS, while you're at it | Jan 03 17:35 |
| oiaohm | Even smf bare min init can perform those 3 signals. | Jan 03 17:35 |
| MinceR | nobody cares | Jan 03 17:35 |
| MinceR | also, iirc back when SMF used a separate init, that did in fact respawn SMF proper | Jan 03 17:35 |
| oiaohm | The zombie one is important. | Jan 03 17:36 |
| MinceR | so of course it had to have a role in shutting down | Jan 03 17:36 |
| MinceR | the oneliner reaps zombies | Jan 03 17:36 |
| MinceR | ironically enough, systemd doesn't | Jan 03 17:36 |
| oiaohm | What version systemd. | Jan 03 17:36 |
| oiaohm | The correct statement is for a while systemd did not reap zombies. | Jan 03 17:37 |
| MinceR | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41625 | Jan 03 17:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-bugs.freedesktop.org | Bug 41625 – systemd apparently doesn't reap zombies | Jan 03 17:37 | |
| MinceR | by then it was already deemed "stable" enough to force on fedora users | Jan 03 17:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: really quoting bugs to sound good. | Jan 03 17:39 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/tecknocrat/status/683699612465541120 | Jan 03 17:39 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@tecknocrat: @schestowitz But was it really $400k. Probably $400k less commission !?¿!¡ .......🙄 | Jan 03 17:39 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: please that bug was closed by author because it turned out not to be a systemd fault at all. | Jan 03 17:40 |
| MinceR | according to the author | Jan 03 17:40 |
| MinceR | who's an incompetent nutcase | Jan 03 17:40 |
| MinceR | closing bugs without fixing them is business as usual at systemd | Jan 03 17:41 |
| oiaohm | But not this case. | Jan 03 17:41 |
| oiaohm | Because systemd behavour with zombie processes is the same as sysvinit and yes particular cases sysvinit leaks zombies as well. | Jan 03 17:42 |
| oiaohm | sinit systemd and sysvinit behavour with a zombie would be fairly much identical. | Jan 03 17:42 |
| MinceR | at least sysvinit doesn't take 35MB of code to do that | Jan 03 17:42 |
| MinceR | and isn't forced on anyone | Jan 03 17:42 |
| MinceR | citation needed | Jan 03 17:43 |
| oiaohm | Really SIGCHLD is the key to zombie reaping when zombie process is reparented to pid1 | Jan 03 17:44 |
| oiaohm | That is why int main(void) { if (fork()) while (1) wait(NULL); else execl("/etc/rc", "rc", NULL); } does not work properly. | Jan 03 17:44 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6942131 | Jan 03 17:45 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #gop "seem to think that by banging the drum for increased defense spending, they can restore America's greatness." http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/12/30/rubio-bush-republican-presidential-politics/ | Jan 03 17:45 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> foreignpolicy.com | The GOP Plan to Bring Back a Unipolar World | Foreign Policy [ http://ur1.ca/odl4q ] | Jan 03 17:45 | |
| schestowitz | "empire in decline. democrats will also increase defense spending…" | Jan 03 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Not Sanders | Jan 03 17:45 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: sorry there are a lot of case of people picking out what sounded like critical bugs in systemd that turn out to be in fact nothing different to sysvinit behavour. | Jan 03 17:45 |
| MinceR | sorry, that doesn't justify this huge, hostile blob partly in pid1, blocking other system components | Jan 03 17:46 |
| oiaohm | Really picking on systemd size does not mean you have to use bogus points MinceR | Jan 03 17:47 |
| MinceR | really, systemd has more issues than you'd like to admit | Jan 03 17:47 |
| MinceR | and the funny thing is, it doesn't even make booting faster in all cases | Jan 03 17:47 |
| oiaohm | Sorry I do admit to issues in systemd quite critical ones like poor QA process. | Jan 03 17:47 |
| oiaohm | I will say too much in pid 1 | Jan 03 17:48 |
| oiaohm | Like processing unit files that should not be in pid1 | Jan 03 17:48 |
| MinceR | > systemd took ~5 minutes to boot on one of our SOCs running fedora | Jan 03 17:48 |
| MinceR | > ubuntu took ~30 seconds | Jan 03 17:48 |
| MinceR | > it was using upstart iirc | Jan 03 17:48 |
| MinceR | someone else had an issue of boot taking over 40 minutes with systemd | Jan 03 17:48 |
| oiaohm | Yep mono threading vs multi threading. | Jan 03 17:49 |
| MinceR | kind of problematic when one of the main talking points was that systemd makes booting so fast | Jan 03 17:49 |
| oiaohm | Now do you know what section of systemd is mono threaded that cripples the bugger. | Jan 03 17:49 |
| MinceR | even aside the fact that making booting faster while also sometimes making it fail entirely is not a good tradeoff | Jan 03 17:49 |
| oiaohm | Come on MinceR | Jan 03 17:49 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if anyone knows | Jan 03 17:49 |
| oiaohm | answer do you know the section or not. | Jan 03 17:50 |
| MinceR | it's a mess like m$ products, i doubt anyone understands the whole thing anymore | Jan 03 17:50 |
| oiaohm | The answer is stupidly simple. | Jan 03 17:50 |
| oiaohm | upstart multi threaded processes it configuration files systemd does not. | Jan 03 17:50 |
| oiaohm | Single threaded sysvinit is slower than systemd in almost all cases. | Jan 03 17:52 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Do you know the one case where systemd is slower than sysvinit single threaded | Jan 03 17:52 |
| MinceR | > 20 minutes after reboot it starts replying to pings | Jan 03 17:54 |
| MinceR | > sounds like standard systemd startup time to me | Jan 03 17:54 |
| MinceR | totally worth it! | Jan 03 17:54 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: simple enough edit a unit file in systemd attempt to use it triggers current system to re read every unit file. | Jan 03 17:54 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: of course editing a sysvinit init file is never that nasty. | Jan 03 17:54 |
| MinceR | i also wonder how long booting takes if systemd gives up on waiting for fsck resumes booting while fsck is still running | Jan 03 17:54 |
| MinceR | and what the result is | Jan 03 17:55 |
| oiaohm | In fact that is not a performance hit. | Jan 03 17:55 |
| oiaohm | parallel boot sysvinit in debian back in 2006 it was expermented with booting with fsck still running in background. | Jan 03 17:56 |
| MinceR | i think you'll find the fs becoming corrupted due to fsck and the fs driver writing to it at the same time will cause data loss and some things to stop working | Jan 03 17:57 |
| oiaohm | Not at all. | Jan 03 17:57 |
| MinceR | which may well result in the boot process never finishing | Jan 03 17:57 |
| oiaohm | systemd leaves filesystems still being fsck in read only. | Jan 03 17:57 |
| MinceR | how far into the "experiment" did they realize that the fs driver was not designed to work with an fsck writing to the fs and fsck was not designed to work with a live filesystem? | Jan 03 17:58 |
| oiaohm | Issues become because you cannot write. | Jan 03 17:58 |
| MinceR | have fun "booting" your system with a readonly filesystem | Jan 03 17:58 |
| oiaohm | livecds boot with read only file systems quite a long way. | Jan 03 17:58 |
| MinceR | yes, and they took quite a bit of work to enable working like that | Jan 03 17:59 |
| oiaohm | Also here is stupid mistake by you. | Jan 03 17:59 |
| MinceR | usually including unioning with a filesystem in ram, which is writable | Jan 03 17:59 |
| MinceR | which you'll find most non-live systems don't do | Jan 03 17:59 |
| oiaohm | fsck in particular modes is in fact designed to work in read only mode. | Jan 03 17:59 |
| MinceR | fixing fs errors in read only mode will work just fine, i presume | Jan 03 17:59 |
| MinceR | because magic | Jan 03 17:59 |
| oiaohm | Default fsck on sysvinit systems normally did not fix errors. | Jan 03 18:00 |
| oiaohm | Instead forced you to boot to single then fix. | Jan 03 18:00 |
| MinceR | not to mention that the corrupted data which was read by the driver before fsck tried to fix it will still be in use | Jan 03 18:00 |
| MinceR | if only they didn't break single | Jan 03 18:00 |
| oiaohm | Issue here is not writing. | Jan 03 18:01 |
| oiaohm | exactly. | Jan 03 18:01 |
| oiaohm | The bigger issues is reading before validated. | Jan 03 18:01 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: interesting enough file systems marked under systemd in fstab to be loaded by the initrd will be fully validated before system starts. | Jan 03 18:03 |
| MinceR | afaik they also changed the contents of the initramfs for the sake of systemd | Jan 03 18:03 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Jan 03 18:04 |
| oiaohm | errors use to happen under sysvinit as well due to odd issues like writing to /var a log message about a fdisk error before /var was mounted. | Jan 03 18:05 |
| MinceR | how many decades ago did that happen? | Jan 03 18:05 |
| oiaohm | Moving some more mountings in initramfs improved sysvinit stablity. | Jan 03 18:05 |
| oiaohm | different fdisk programs have different stupidity under Linux MinceR | Jan 03 18:06 |
| oiaohm | First case I know of with /var directory having crap written in it by fdisk in boot process was 1995 | Jan 03 18:07 |
| oiaohm | So this was one of those outstanding unfixed sysvinit bugs under Linux. | Jan 03 18:07 |
| oiaohm | That happened to get fixed when systemd developers changed a few things. | Jan 03 18:07 |
| oiaohm | Yes some place systemd developers were sane that by end of initramfs that all core file systems should be mounted is right. | Jan 03 18:08 |
| MinceR | so, 15 years before they started hacking systemd together | Jan 03 18:09 |
| oiaohm | The fault is older than when I first saw it. | Jan 03 18:10 |
| oiaohm | Could go right back to the birth of Linux. | Jan 03 18:10 |
| oiaohm | Even possilbiy before. | Jan 03 18:10 |
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| schestowitz | >> Maybe Shariah next... we have some such courts in the UK now. | Jan 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > The UK also has sharia "banks" which is also very worrisome since they | Jan 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > establish an economic base to the very nasty politics. Back in the | Jan 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > middle East I gather that the money that goes for oil makes only a few | Jan 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > people rich, then the rest is spent on madrassas. I get the impression | Jan 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > that any infrastructure for some of the countries, such as Saudi Arabia, | Jan 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > is actually hired in from foreigners. | Jan 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > But in Sweden, I suspect that many areas are already functionally under | Jan 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > sharia. Last year the police admitted that they can't deal. There are | Jan 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > some fifty neighborhoods where they don't / can't go. I read the other | Jan 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > day about a recent small riot where the police just didn't show up at | Jan 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > all. That was in a small, once peaceful town which I had visited many | Jan 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > times back before it turned. In photos, about other topics, scenes of | Jan 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > downtown areas around the country there are a lot of extreme muslim | Jan 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > costumes in the backgrounds. | Jan 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 03 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > I can't find much in English though. If you can take the publisher with | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | > a grain of salt, there is this: | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | > http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2015/April/Ex-Muslim-Koran-Revealed-a-Religion-I-Did-Not-Like/ | Jan 03 21:25 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www1.cbn.com | Ex-Muslim: Koran Revealed a Religion I Did Not Like | CBN.com (beta) | Jan 03 21:25 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | > and with Google Translate you could look at this: | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | > https://www.gp.se/nyheter/goteborg/1.2864445-is-narvaro-skrammer-assyrier-i-goteborg | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 03 21:25 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.gp.se | IS närvaro skrämmer assyrier i Göteborg - Göteborg - Göteborgs-Posten [ http://ur1.ca/odlyr ] | Jan 03 21:25 | |
| schestowitz | > There is also a writer, Hanna Gadban, an Iraqi living in Sweden. She is | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | > under constant death threats like Mona Walter but her offense is just | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | > calling for moderation. But she only writes in Swedish, no English. | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | > There used to be a lot written about "honor" killings and they were | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | > trending upward over some years, but coverage disappeared suddenly. | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | There is a similar problem in Israel, where extremism comes from two directions. | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | First, "honor" killings do exist (in the Israeli Arab community) and they do get discussed in public. I haven't heard of similar things in the UK for over a decade now, but I suppose it does still happen (I don't read newspapers much). | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | On the other side, which is less fatal (unless you include so-called 'settlers'), you have orthodox neighbourhood where young children, indoctrinated by their parents, would even fling stones at dogs or act crudely with non-religious folks. That's a form of Jewish extremism. | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | I cannot quite think of any Christian equivalents. Suffice to say, the above is considered a form of extremism, though I think "honour" killings (or retaliation for apostasy) won't even qualify as very extreme in some quarters, only "necessary". | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure to what degree the situation in Sweden can be considered a fringe phenomenon or a vocal minority. Sometimes it's enough for a very small violent minority (<0.001%) to scare the rest of their ethical group, possible threatening death to critics among their communities. | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Twitter, BTW, is increasing censorship right now. On the surface this extend to banning speech against religion, so here they are joining the likes of Facebook, and not just in countries such as India (where atheistic views can be deleted). | Jan 03 21:25 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6942131 | Jan 03 21:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #gop "seem to think that by banging the drum for increased defense spending, they can restore America's greatness." http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/12/30/rubio-bush-republican-presidential-politics/ | Jan 03 21:54 | |
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| schestowitz | "I appreciate your optimism, but this primary will be over soon, and Bernie will endorse Hillary. Hopefully the people who supported him will jump ship to the Greens…" | Jan 03 21:54 |
| schestowitz | He could try to promise reforms as a VP, but I hope this will never happen; it's a sellout; he's already too kind towards here in debates | Jan 03 21:55 |
| schestowitz | *her | Jan 03 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SteveAHorn/status/683793069918044160 | Jan 04 00:09 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SteveAHorn: @SYoungReports MT @schestowitz During #COP21, Obama Signs Exxon, Koch-Backed Bill Expediting Pipeline Permits https://t.co/FbyZJheQ0j | Jan 04 00:09 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Channel4/status/683771240813731840 | Jan 04 00:14 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Channel4: Spread the word, people: #Deutschland83 is well worth a read. Catch up here: https://t.co/ksL89ExZXU https://t.co/PRuhvbuk1y | Jan 04 00:14 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/indaeo/status/681287370117795840 | Jan 04 00:16 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@indaeo: that's a new way of saying it. #deutschland83 https://t.co/DciFOfE50A | Jan 04 00:16 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@indaeo: that's a new way of saying it. #deutschland83 https://t.co/DciFOfE50A | Jan 04 00:16 | |
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| r_schestowitz | >> There is a similar problem in Israel, where extremism comes from two | Jan 04 12:07 |
| r_schestowitz | >> directions. | Jan 04 12:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jan 04 12:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > Yes, Israel is an unfortunate situation. The Jews there, too, like the | Jan 04 12:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > muslims in Indonesia and elsewhere use transmigration, apartheid, and | Jan 04 12:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > genocide. | Jan 04 12:07 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jan 04 12:07 |
| r_schestowitz | >> First, "honor" killings do exist ... | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > They exist in Sweden and were (are?) becoming more and more common. My | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > guess is that the news has decided to either stop covering them or more | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > likely label them as something else and they are still common and / or | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > increasing. Also, FGM is epidemic in Sweden nowadays. Even Falkvinge | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > noticed it in the news. | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | What's FGM? | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | >> I'm not sure to what degree the situation in Sweden can be considered a | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | >> fringe phenomenon or a vocal minority. Sometimes it's enough for a very | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | >> small violent minority (<0.001%) to scare the rest of their ethical | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | >> group, possible threatening death to critics among their communities. | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > As far as I can tell, it is very nearly the whole lot, not a small | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > percentage, especially if one projects what we are experiencing here in | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > Finland. Though you are right in general about the impact of negative | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > influences on others. I know indirectly[1] someone in the UK who used | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > to be modern but now feels forced to wear a hijab. But the same goes | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > for positive influence. As a student, I found that if even 5% were | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > active in a positive way, an organization would run well. If it was 10% | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > it would run great and if it could hit 15% (almost impossible) it would | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > be legendary. But I don't see that positive influence in the nordic or | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > scandanvian countries, only the negative. | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | >> Twitter, BTW, is increasing censorship right now. On the surface this | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | >> extend to banning speech against religion, so here they are joining the | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | >> likes of Facebook, and not just in countries such as India (where | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | >> atheistic views can be deleted). | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > I would like to promote Diaspora but it still is 100% javascript. | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > That's not feasible to get behind. Ever. I suspect that is done | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > intentionally to prevent it from getting adopted. Anyway, as far as I | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > can tell the centralized services were promoted over decentralized ones | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > like Usenet purely because they could be controlled, monitored and | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > censored. | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | Diaspora activity went down sharply in the past few months. Sadly.. | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | > [1] Hey, it's not an "anecdote", its artisanal, hand-crafted data. | Jan 04 12:08 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> ... them as something else and they are still common and / or | Jan 04 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> >> increasing. Also, FGM is epidemic in Sweden nowadays. Even Falkvinge | Jan 04 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> >> noticed it in the news. | Jan 04 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > | Jan 04 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > What's FGM? | Jan 04 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | > Female genital mutilation. | Jan 04 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jan 04 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | > e.g. | Jan 04 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jan 04 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | > http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/fgm-in-sweden-school-where-every-single-girl-in-one-class-underwent-procedure-exposed-9552854.html | Jan 04 12:46 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.independent.co.uk | FGM in Sweden: School where every single girl in one class underwent procedure exposed | Europe | News | The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/ho61t ] | Jan 04 12:46 | |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jan 04 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | > http://swedenreport.org/2015/01/16/swedens-38000-mutilated-girls/ | Jan 04 12:46 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-swedenreport.org | Sweden’s 38 000 mutilated girls | THE SWEDEN REPORT [ http://ur1.ca/odos7 ] | Jan 04 12:46 | |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jan 04 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | > It's strange that once Sweden was considered the Saudi Arabia of | Jan 04 12:46 |
| r_schestowitz | > feminism, but now anything excused because of islam is a-ok | Jan 04 12:47 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jan 04 12:47 |
| r_schestowitz | > BTW here is a pretty accurate rant about the situation there in general: | Jan 04 12:47 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jan 04 12:47 |
| r_schestowitz | > http://swedenreport.org/2015/06/02/goodbye-sweden/ | Jan 04 12:47 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-swedenreport.org | Goodbye Sweden | THE SWEDEN REPORT [ http://ur1.ca/odos9 ] | Jan 04 12:47 | |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jan 04 12:47 |
| r_schestowitz | > a problem here is that Finland likes to copy Sweden closely. | Jan 04 12:47 |
| r_schestowitz | I didn't know it's even allowed outside of N Africa... | Jan 04 12:47 |
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| schestowitz | > Hi Roy and Rianne, | Jan 04 16:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 04 16:26 |
| schestowitz | > Hope you are well. Unfortunately I cannot offer the 12 months for the price of 11. I can however offer 'Join for a coin.' This offer means that ex members can re-join for an admin fee of only £1 and pay no membership fee until Feb 1st if they re-join before the 17th January. This is the best offer I could give you alongside the lower membership rate. Please let me know if you would like anymore information. | Jan 04 16:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 04 16:26 |
| schestowitz | > Kind regards | Jan 04 16:26 |
| schestowitz | > Dayna | Jan 04 16:26 |
| schestowitz | Hi Dayna | Jan 04 16:26 |
| schestowitz | We couldn't have joined earlier than this month. If the best offer we can get is nearly 50 pounds a month, then we will renew with Thistle in a couple of weeks. | Jan 04 16:26 |
| schestowitz | Kind regards, | Jan 04 16:26 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/684048399860105217 https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/684048433381011456 | Jan 04 16:28 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@agente_smithe: RT @LadyKorenwolf: @schestowitz to quote my husband: "'Home of the Brave'? Yeah, right." America, Home of the Terrified. | Jan 04 16:28 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@agente_smithe: RT @schestowitz: If an operating system/kernel can claim ~7 billion users (microwaves, phones, etc.) it's #linux and not #microsoft | Jan 04 16:28 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/684070475941736449 | Jan 04 18:04 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@kstallett: @schestowitz @CNET Really impressed with cheaper android devices at the mo like the wileyfox swift and Meizu note. Both great phones. | Jan 04 18:04 | |
| schestowitz | Archos has some very cheap tablets | Jan 04 18:05 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kragen/status/684119950521430016 | Jan 04 21:17 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@kragen: RT @schestowitz S.F. #police never even attempted to refute or rebut the accusations of rape and beatings (on the head) against it. #murdock | Jan 04 21:17 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Mysmartprivacy/status/684144156382334976 | Jan 04 23:05 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Mysmartprivacy: @schestowitz @All4Privacy What about corporate surveillance via SmartTech? Learn more: https://t.co/oTwbNZUfXI https://t.co/P7BiGb7nVF | Jan 04 23:05 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Mysmartprivacy: @schestowitz @All4Privacy What about corporate surveillance via SmartTech? Learn more: https://t.co/oTwbNZUfXI https://t.co/P7BiGb7nVF | Jan 04 23:05 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Reconquista1970/status/684274640026505216 | Jan 05 09:19 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Reconquista1970: Had the Oregon Militiamen murdered Hundreds of Thousands like their Islamist contemporaries,they would be dead now https://t.co/TTiTQX5cDc | Jan 05 09:19 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: If the Oregon Militiamen Were Muslim or Black, They'd Probably Be Dead By Now https://t.co/8p6Jr1D1FY of course. See MOVE. | Jan 05 09:19 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/684280894459363329 | Jan 05 09:19 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Zeipt: @radiosvoboda лучше бы @POTUS усилил контроль за полицаями https://t.co/lsGdeAcOLj | Jan 05 09:19 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Here’s What Happened When Black People Tried Armed Occupation https://t.co/1Tt9eyaWsg "MOVE were bombed and burned alive" | Jan 05 09:20 | |
| schestowitz | this is a frightening story, and seductively well made documentary | Jan 05 10:01 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6945270 | Jan 05 10:01 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "wrongful rape conviction... evidence suggests Avery was failed by the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Office" https://reason.com/blog/2016/01/04/making-a-murderer-documentary #police | Jan 05 10:01 | |
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| schestowitz | this is a frightening story, and seductively well made documentary" | Jan 05 10:01 |
| schestowitz | WOnder how many similar cases have no documentary about them | Jan 05 10:01 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6945283 | Jan 05 10:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Distracting the voters from the Greens (or a third party) using Sanders? http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/01/04/why-sanders-will-not-be-the-democratic-nominee-no-matter-what-happens-in-the-primaries/ | Jan 05 10:02 | |
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| schestowitz | "is that trying to imply that the Greens, or any 3rd party, would have a real chance, when he doesn’t? If he is destined to lose, than the real point of him doing the best he can is to pull Hillary as far to left as he can, and put at least some element of reality in the topics up for discussion in the presidential race." | Jan 05 10:02 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he should run independently | Jan 05 10:02 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6945258 | Jan 05 10:04 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Dutch govt says no to backdoors, slides $540k into #OpenSSL without breaking eye contact http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01/04/dutch_government_says_no_to_backdoors/ good! | Jan 05 10:04 | |
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| schestowitz | "if it’s open, it’s kind of a patio-breezeway-thing" | Jan 05 10:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2016/Jan-05/330208-israel-restrictions-prompt-un-envoy-to-quit.ashx | Jan 05 10:49 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.dailystar.com.lb | Israel restrictions prompt U.N. envoy to quit | News , Middle East | THE DAILY STAR [ http://ur1.ca/odssw ] | Jan 05 10:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/684325545895575552 | Jan 05 10:52 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz I still remember when suddenly, all keyboards had it. Fucking hated it! Spent years popping them off, use stickers now. | Jan 05 10:52 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/bastianbest/status/684403734793850880 | Jan 05 16:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@bastianbest: It's not really "around the law", it IS the current law concerning #swpats in #Germany... https://t.co/K7eEt8pyi4 | Jan 05 16:02 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: German software patents on graphical user interfaces? https://t.co/H3E1yxltsw Best way to get around the law? #swpats | Jan 05 16:02 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/684454123924787200 | Jan 05 19:25 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SeaH2ONymph: Yes it matters. It proves that yet again there are no truly positive candidates on offer in #US. https://t.co/kLwD2py9oT | Jan 05 19:25 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Does Bernie Sanders’ Imperialism Matter? https://t.co/PjrqVoOuM4 an elephant in Bern's room | Jan 05 19:25 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/684455722847830017 | Jan 05 19:26 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Caution: I suspect this is what *really* killed Alan Turing. | Jan 05 19:26 | |
| schestowitz | An apple chip... | Jan 05 19:26 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6945961 | Jan 05 19:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "proposal of the European patent Office to forbid all former employees to continue their lives with a job in IP" http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-secrets-out-agreed-text-of-eu-trade.html?showComment=1451993043707#c7650599002912646681 #epo | Jan 05 19:35 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6945984 | Jan 05 19:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Talking points straight out of Tel Aviv? Silence is deafening on NSA spying http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/01/taking_points_straight_out_of_tel_aviv_silence_is.html #israel meddling with #us foreign policy and vice versa | Jan 05 19:35 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/684462640442281984 | Jan 05 19:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Messgorough: @schestowitz What should people be using instead of intel? It's everywhere these days. | Jan 05 19:55 | |
| schestowitz | ARM is doing better these days | Jan 05 19:55 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/684463495660834816 | Jan 05 19:57 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Messgorough: @schestowitz But can ARM run a gaming desktop? | Jan 05 19:57 | |
| schestowitz | Hardly, but Power can... | Jan 05 19:57 |
| MinceR | depends on the game :> | Jan 05 19:57 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/684469286878855168 | Jan 05 20:45 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Turing at Bell Labs ~1952 doing 1st Hg-Ge PNP junction; & died mos. before GE 1st mass-produced transistors, which he needed. | Jan 05 20:45 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/684477466786709505 | Jan 05 20:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Baked, not fried. https://t.co/XyhQqAKu4J | Jan 05 20:54 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/684688181942431744 | Jan 06 10:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SeaH2ONymph: If #Obama is Climate Leader, Why is #US #Military Number One Global Polluter? https://t.co/njwyDQvmoE https://t.co/VtS48BXgmL | Jan 06 10:55 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> earthfirstjournal.org | Filthy War Machine: US Military Industrial Complex, World’s Worst Polluter | Earth First! Newswire | Jan 06 10:55 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: If Obama is a Climate Leader, Why Is US Oil Industry Booming? https://t.co/49ayaFRgzP leader in talking and crying | Jan 06 10:55 | |
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| schestowitz | Readers may like to know that the decision arrived at by the IPO examiner was in fact upheld on appeal to the Appointed Person - see | Jan 06 21:01 |
| schestowitz | https://www.ipo.gov.uk/t-challenge-decision-results/o28715.pdf | Jan 06 21:01 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/01/le-journal-danne-frank-sufficiently.html?showComment=1452091949938#c5314084822856796646 | Jan 06 21:01 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: ‘Le Journal d’Anne Frank’: sufficiently distinctive to be a trade mark, says OHIM Fourth Board of Appeal [ http://ur1.ca/odz7v ] | Jan 06 21:01 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/pepelepunque/status/684874066562551808 | Jan 06 23:40 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@pepelepunque: Wow. Some shit. https://t.co/qSxEJmNFDf | Jan 06 23:40 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #Turkey Has Released VICE News Journalist Mohammed Rasool On Bail https://t.co/OYM0aPZTdi could be worse: https://t.co/6svVZtzq4V | Jan 06 23:40 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/684875084238958592 | Jan 06 23:40 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz lol, one is written by me :P | Jan 06 23:40 | |
| schestowitz | WHO are you!!!!? :-) | Jan 06 23:40 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6948388 | Jan 07 09:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #GNOME Maps Will Allow Users to Add POIs on #OpenStreetMap http://news.softpedia.com/news/gnome-maps-to-allow-users-to-add-pois-on-openstreetmap-498515.shtml | Jan 07 09:02 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> news.softpedia.com | GNOME Maps Will Allow Users to Add POIs on OpenStreetMap [ http://ur1.ca/oe02j ] | Jan 07 09:02 | |
| schestowitz | "I take it POI means points of interest" | Jan 07 09:02 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6948530 | Jan 07 09:42 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: VIDEO: Bernie #Sanders Inveighs Against #WallStreet in Major Address on Economic Policy Proposals http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/video_bernie_sanders_inveighs_against_wall_street_in_major_address_20160106 'ENDING “TOO BIG TO FAIL”' | Jan 07 09:42 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.truthdig.com | VIDEO: Bernie Sanders Inveighs Against Wall Street in Major Address on Economic Policy Proposals - Truthdig [ http://ur1.ca/oe18a ] | Jan 07 09:42 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/encycl/status/685034583557931008 https://twitter.com/encycl/status/685034731910479872 | Jan 07 09:56 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@encycl: @schestowitz I'm opposed to the change to, but I've read the plan is to hide past the 140 characters. | Jan 07 09:56 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@encycl: @schestowitz Still, it will destroy what I find attractive about the Twitter platform. | Jan 07 09:56 | |
| schestowitz | So if you don't click, you'll miss something (other than a URL) | Jan 07 09:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/WeiDeLi14/status/685034919509139459 | Jan 07 09:56 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@WeiDeLi14: @schestowitz They never sent it when I requested either. Agree. | Jan 07 09:56 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6946877 | Jan 07 09:57 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #obama was chosen by some (esp. non-whites) on the basis of appearing non-white; he changed almost nothing. Helps distract from 3rd parties | Jan 07 09:57 | |
| schestowitz | "his predecessor started a war and caused untold suffering in the middle east, set up gitmo and damaged the US reputation around the world. Obama may not be perfect but no leader in the west seems to be these days. Politicians seem to be out of touch with the people and even more out of touch on how to deal with problems." | Jan 07 09:57 |
| schestowitz | bush also left economic woes. | Jan 07 09:57 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/encycl/status/685037447546191873 | Jan 07 10:00 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@encycl: @schestowitz you'll miss characters 141 - 10,000. | Jan 07 10:00 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/LozKaye/status/685038272700100609 | Jan 07 10:14 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@LozKaye: @schestowitz 🐧 :) | Jan 07 10:14 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/685065747488485378 https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/685065873963528192 | Jan 07 12:01 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz The number of people who understand the problem far outnubmers that of the deniers, see the ongoing #einearmlaenge shitstorm. | Jan 07 12:01 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz Germany has the worst political journalism of any country I know, so a lot of the criticism is now directed at mainstream media | Jan 07 12:01 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/simon_oakden/status/685085142768087040 | Jan 07 13:07 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@simon_oakden: @schestowitz @sine_injuria We've been passengers in this slow car crash for years but we preferred to believe the BS Tory propaganda. | Jan 07 13:07 | |
| schestowitz | > == | Jan 07 13:17 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 07 13:17 |
| schestowitz | > http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/01/got-an-opinion-to-share-about-dmca-takedowns-let-the-copyright-office-know/ | Jan 07 13:17 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-arstechnica.com | US Copyright Office is taking comments about how well the DMCA is working | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/oe1pw ] | Jan 07 13:17 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 07 13:17 |
| schestowitz | > == | Jan 07 13:17 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 07 13:17 |
| schestowitz | > older: | Jan 07 13:17 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 07 13:17 |
| schestowitz | > http://status.linode.com/incidents/ghdlhfnfngnh | Jan 07 13:17 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-status.linode.com | Linode Status - Security Notification and Linode Manager Password Reset [ http://ur1.ca/oe1px ] | Jan 07 13:17 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 07 13:17 |
| schestowitz | > == | Jan 07 13:17 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ISemiliy/status/685088653006221312 | Jan 07 13:37 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@ISemiliy: https://t.co/BJR2esIWTs RT schestowitz: A single #gas well leak is California's biggest contributor to #climatech… https://t.co/ry0pdtx8X9 | Jan 07 13:37 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.youtube.com | Lean on By Major Lazer & DJ Snake feat Barack Obama - YouTube | Jan 07 13:37 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: A single #gas well leak is California's biggest contributor to #climatechange https://t.co/FpEopMQ1ZN #methane | Jan 07 13:37 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell- (Re-tweeted by glynmoody) | Jan 07 13:37 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/685101455695605760 | Jan 07 14:12 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@matthewstinar: Facebook is a big enough threat to the web. We shouldn't want Twitter helping dismantle it. https://t.co/tiyAv4J1x8 | Jan 07 14:12 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: #Twitter10k would help #Twitter further discourage people from writing their own articles/blogs. Further centralisation. | Jan 07 14:13 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/685110557414952960 | Jan 07 14:49 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz For non-Americans a Sanders-Trump election would be a win-win. | Jan 07 14:49 | |
| schestowitz | Sanders is shown in surveys to be in a good position to win this because it wouldn't be a choice between hawks | Jan 07 14:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/685111300339400705 | Jan 07 14:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz @AJimenez1988 Trump is the only Republican who has admitted entering Iraq was a mistake. | Jan 07 14:54 | |
| schestowitz | But what are his reasons for stating this? | Jan 07 14:55 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/685112576829554688 | Jan 07 14:56 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz I don't care if the cat is black or white, as long as he catches mice. | Jan 07 14:56 | |
| schestowitz | No, it does matter | Jan 07 14:56 |
| schestowitz | he does support murders without trial, torture etc. He's more militant than most. | Jan 07 14:57 |
| schestowitz | He advocated assassinating #snowden (illegally). Rump is a madman. With a high budget and media skills (trolling). | Jan 07 14:57 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/685113483902451712 https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/685113667491360768 | Jan 07 15:00 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz He's a madman who is willing to talk to Putin directly instead of fighting till the last Ukrainian and Alawite. | Jan 07 15:00 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz A madman who accepts that the duty of US government is first and foremost to protect US citizens. | Jan 07 15:00 | |
| schestowitz | No, he'd lead to nuclear war and another Cold War at least | Jan 07 15:01 |
| schestowitz | trump works for trump, at the expense of US citizens | Jan 07 15:01 |
| schestowitz | If you want a madman as a leading politician in the US, then you might as well also defend Putin for Russia | Jan 07 15:02 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/685114118081138689 | Jan 07 15:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Don't confuse him with Hilary. | Jan 07 15:02 | |
| schestowitz | Clinton is garbage | Jan 07 15:02 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/685114304429965317 | Jan 07 15:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz And Hilary for Hilary, Jeb for the Bushes... Wake up! | Jan 07 15:03 | |
| schestowitz | Red herring, and they're not really the alternatives | Jan 07 15:03 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/685114460785274881 | Jan 07 15:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Besides I don't care, he's better for those who are not US citizens and don't want to emigrate there. | Jan 07 15:03 | |
| schestowitz | So it's all down to immigration then? | Jan 07 15:03 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/685114733721157633 https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/685115072302190592 | Jan 07 15:06 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz I want madmen like Putin: rational, cold, calculating. They are predictable and compromises with them can be reached. | Jan 07 15:06 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Once again: I am not an American citizen. In fact I am 100% Spanish. I should be more offended by him than you. Not the case. | Jan 07 15:06 | |
| schestowitz | Watch how he speaks of Spaniards and/or native Americans | Jan 07 15:07 |
| schestowitz | Calling them "rapists and criminals" | Jan 07 15:07 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/685115891353260033 https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/685116217435262976 | Jan 07 15:14 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz So? I don't want him to love me and my country, I want him to leave us the fuck alone. | Jan 07 15:14 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz I know. So? Germans like him are barbarians, one can't take that too seriously. | Jan 07 15:14 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/earl_malmrose/status/685141930250915840 | Jan 07 16:59 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@earl_malmrose: @schestowitz They claim to be using a stock kernel, so they won't release a single line of source code. https://t.co/YVVeuYlUcu | Jan 07 16:59 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/If_It_Dont_Fit/status/685163998715752449 | Jan 07 18:21 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@If_It_Dont_Fit: @schestowitz @retroDoomer @Independent I wish they would stop fucking people over. | Jan 07 18:21 | |
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| schestowitz | > Something quick before I prepare breakfast for kids: | Jan 07 20:29 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 07 20:29 |
| schestowitz | > European Patent Office (EPO) Starts New Year With Hogwash | Jan 07 20:29 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 07 20:29 |
| schestowitz | > Have a nice day | Jan 07 20:29 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/EdSnowdenNews/status/685197614728364032 | Jan 07 20:43 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@EdSnowdenNews: NORDUnet announces CrypTech open source web security - Telecompaper https://t.co/627ZLEgEUB via @schestowitz | Jan 07 20:43 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> gettopical.com | NORDUnet announces CrypTech open source web security - Telecompaper | Jan 07 20:43 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/685207542109192192 | Jan 07 21:13 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SleepyPenguin1: Government shouldn't have right to access citizen's private data, says Information Commissioner @schestowitz https://t.co/earVk6oO9L | Jan 07 21:13 | |
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| *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz at Fri May 7 00:19:56 2010 | Jan 08 10:39 | |
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| schestowitz | > Dear Roy, | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | > Oh man taking advantage B& K playing games afte doing homework. Send you | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | > the following one: | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | > 01.06.16 | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | > Now It’s Just Patent Lawyers (and Their Rich Clients) Against | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | > Everybody Else, Seeking to Maximise Protectionism | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | > <http://techrights.org/2016/01/06/maximising-protectionism/> | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 08 12:10 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-techrights.org | Now It’s Just Patent Lawyers (and Their Rich Clients) Against Everybody Else, Seeking to Maximise Protectionism | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/oe6e3 ] | Jan 08 12:10 | |
| schestowitz | > Also, man the girls and gramma hook me up to watch the ¨Great British | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | > Baking show¨. Shame on me. Maybe age have softened me up. Maybe some day | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | > will taste those goodies with a mug of ale. 🍺🐧 | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | > Have a nice Friday | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | I've had a mate here whose parent was from Peru. I've not been in touch with him in a while, but last I heard he was helping out activism sites in his capacity as a sysadmin. | Jan 08 12:10 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/685430343139241984 | Jan 08 12:10 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Zeipt: @schestowitz twitter is very busy. It got lot of Money from Putin and is baning massively ukrainian users right now)) Sorry. Ukraine again)) | Jan 08 12:10 | |
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| *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz at Fri May 7 00:19:56 2010 | Jan 08 17:39 | |
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| schestowitz | > I'm slow to read these days. This just sank in from the ZDNet: | Jan 08 17:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 08 17:58 |
| schestowitz | > 'described as the "enhanced distribution of R from Microsoft."' | Jan 08 17:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 08 17:58 |
| schestowitz | > That looks like the same EEE that m$ tried with Java. As much as I have | Jan 08 17:58 |
| schestowitz | > respected his writing in the past, it puts paid to SJVN's assertion in | Jan 08 17:58 |
| schestowitz | > his articles that M$ is somehow changed or cooperating with FOSS. I bet | Jan 08 17:59 |
| schestowitz | > dollars to donuts that the "enhanced" version is functionally | Jan 08 17:59 |
| schestowitz | > proprietary. I also expect that the same M$ attitudes are present and | Jan 08 17:59 |
| schestowitz | > that the goal is for those trying R for the first time, but using M$ | Jan 08 17:59 |
| schestowitz | > Windows, are in for a subpar experience on purpose to turn them off R. | Jan 08 17:59 |
| schestowitz | R was never FOSS, just FOSSy. I knew this a long time ago. | Jan 08 17:59 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's move is related to a buyout which I wrote about before. | Jan 08 17:59 |
| schestowitz | Don't worry, they're losing all in all... I'm focusing on patents angles right now. | Jan 08 17:59 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gregsfortytwo/status/685562762509025280 | Jan 08 20:50 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@gregsfortytwo: @schestowitz @ircolle story says yes, and anyway Marshals don’t do stuff on their own initiative | Jan 08 20:50 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, I saw that later on... | Jan 08 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6952484 | Jan 09 12:01 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: PINE A64, First 64-bit Mini PC That Costs $15, Raises 30 Times the Money Needed http://news.softpedia.com/news/pine-a64-is-the-first-64-bit-mini-pc-that-costs-15-runs-ubuntu-and-android-498625.shtml #android or #ubuntu | Jan 09 12:01 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> news.softpedia.com | PINE A64, First 64-bit Mini PC That Costs $15, Raises 30 Times the Money Needed [ http://ur1.ca/oeafb ] | Jan 09 12:01 | |
| schestowitz | "I wonder when any of these will be Respects Your Freedom certified. I’m not interested in them until then." | Jan 09 12:01 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6953038 | Jan 09 12:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Migrants In Europe Are Getting Stereotyped As Dangerous Criminals http://thinkprogress.org/world/2016/01/08/3737512/new-year-attacks/ #europe | Jan 09 12:02 | |
| schestowitz | "Lets talk about our raising ghettos. Areas where police will just show up with strong teams … parallel societies. Its all flowers, milk and honey … just remember big sport-Events with “No-Go-Areas”." | Jan 09 12:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> thinkprogress.org | Migrants In Europe Are Getting Stereotyped As Dangerous Criminals | ThinkProgress [ http://ur1.ca/oeafe ] | Jan 09 12:02 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6952416 | Jan 09 12:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #firefox convenience at the expense of #security http://www.myce.com/news/mozilla-enables-unsafe-encryption-algorithm-again-to-resolve-issues-with-antivirus-software-78323/ http://www.scmagazine.com/mozilla-pulls-back-on-rejecting-sha-1-certs-outright/article/463913/ http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2441116/mozilla-backs-off-sha-1-ban-as-users-blocked-from-https-websites #mozilla #sha1 | Jan 09 12:02 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 09 12:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.myce.com | Mozilla enables unsafe encryption algorithm again to resolve issues with antivirus software - Myce.com [ http://ur1.ca/oeafh ] | Jan 09 12:02 | |
| schestowitz | More harm from having a Windows port. | Jan 09 12:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.scmagazine.com | Mozilla reverses course on SHA-1 - SC Magazine [ http://ur1.ca/oeafi ] | Jan 09 12:02 | |
| schestowitz | We don’t need those anymore. Everyone’s got free software in their pocket, thanks to Android, and they all use free software on the web. Trust is as won as it ever can be and it’s time to dump Windows completely. No one should run Windows and free software people should not waste their time “supporting” it. | Jan 09 12:02 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.v3.co.uk | Mozilla backs off SHA-1 ban as users blocked from HTTPS websites - IT News from V3.co.uk [ http://ur1.ca/oeafj ] | Jan 09 12:02 | |
| schestowitz | We need to for people to understand that restrictions and non free software are the problem. | Jan 09 12:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 09 12:02 |
| schestowitz | Is this only affecting Windows? If so, I missed that... | Jan 09 12:03 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6953324 | Jan 09 12:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Android Marshmallow Review: The Best Mobile Platform http://www.knowyourmobile.com/devices/android-marshmallow/23415/android-marshmallow-review-best-mobile-platform #linux | Jan 09 12:03 | |
| schestowitz | "LOL: Cons A Lot of Handsets Will Not Get It." | Jan 09 12:03 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell--> www.knowyourmobile.com | Android Marshmallow Review: The Best Mobile Platform: Prices, Specifications, Reviews | Know Your Mobile [ http://ur1.ca/oeafk ] | Jan 09 12:03 | |
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| schestowitz | > http://www.neowin.net/news/exciting-details-begin-to-emerge-around-linux-mint-18 | Jan 09 13:29 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-www.neowin.net | Exciting details begin to emerge around Linux Mint 18 [ http://ur1.ca/oeal0 ] | Jan 09 13:29 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 09 13:29 |
| schestowitz | > supported until 2021 | Jan 09 13:29 |
| schestowitz | Good route out of Windows 10... | Jan 09 13:29 |
| schestowitz | Please suspend links to techdirt as after many years being on its RSS (maybe 7), then not keeping up, I'm now back to reading it exhaustively. So any links to techdirt would be things I already saw :-) | Jan 09 13:30 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/685811606744383489 | Jan 09 13:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SeaH2ONymph: #US 'talking out of both sides of its mouth': championing privacy in public, but spying on everyone in private. https://t.co/hGDXqHnde1 | Jan 09 13:35 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: How the #US Is Playing Both Ends on Data #Privacy https://t.co/0iKNnH7mHQ "really about the US talking out of both sides" | Jan 09 13:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/685813986516951040 | Jan 09 13:35 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@SeaH2ONymph: #US #Hegemony: tech companies used as tools of national intelligence; manipulates financial & informational flows https://t.co/a0qFT25en0 | Jan 09 13:35 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: "the United States needs to disentangle the power of a U.S.-led order from the temptations of manipulating" https://t.co/MCmYiwRsGW | Jan 09 13:35 | |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ananas | Jan 09 13:46 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-en.wikipedia.org | Ananas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Jan 09 13:46 | |
| schestowitz | "The biggest producers in 2012 were the US (12.3%), Thailand (11.4%) and the Philippines (10.9%)." | Jan 09 13:46 |
| schestowitz | >> Please suspend links to techdirt as after many years being on its RSS | Jan 09 17:55 |
| schestowitz | >> > (maybe 7), then not keeping up, I'm now back to reading it exhaustively. | Jan 09 17:55 |
| schestowitz | >> > So any links to techdirt would be things I already saw :-) | Jan 09 17:55 |
| schestowitz | > Ok. | Jan 09 17:55 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/685880976719872002 | Jan 09 17:55 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@kstallett: These things never get reported worldwide. https://t.co/RdvO0FDc9G | Jan 09 17:55 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: Spent an hour talking to a professor from Saudi A. in Town, he said the government had started slashing 25% of everyone's salaries for #war | Jan 09 17:55 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/dailylinuxuser/status/685895799428001792 | Jan 09 18:48 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@dailylinuxuser: @schestowitz is there ever anyone in curry's | Jan 09 18:48 | |
| schestowitz | some, especially in weekends afternoon | Jan 09 18:48 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/dailylinuxuser/status/685896217256136704 | Jan 09 18:54 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@dailylinuxuser: @schestowitz does anybody buy anything though or is it just men killing time. they are incredibly overpriced | Jan 09 18:54 | |
| schestowitz | Currys or laptops with Windows? | Jan 09 18:54 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/dailylinuxuser/status/685898045318410240 | Jan 09 18:59 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@dailylinuxuser: @schestowitz Curry's. £7 for the same hdmi cable you can buy in poundland. their highest priced hdmi cable is over 50 quid. | Jan 09 18:59 | |
| schestowitz | yes, ripoff for the small things, like Evans Cycle | Jan 09 19:00 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MUFC_today/status/685900767488782336 | Jan 09 19:12 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@MUFC_today: #MUFC are now a joke to all opposing fans! "Getting sacked in the morning" chants from the Sheffield United fans. Agree with them | Jan 09 19:12 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ZannaGimba/status/685900388336283652 | Jan 09 19:12 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@ZannaGimba: Imagine! Sheffield united holding us at home | Jan 09 19:12 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/OptaJoe/status/685898399829389313 https://twitter.com/CreativeMesut/status/685901990438645762 | Jan 09 19:14 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@OptaJoe: 67 - It took 67 minutes for a team to have a shot on target in the match between Manchester United v Sheffield United (Basham). Overdue. | Jan 09 19:14 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@CreativeMesut: LVG puts his best 11 against Sheffield United yet his team is still struggling. Lmfao. Sad to say United isn't a big club no more | Jan 09 19:14 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/mrjakehumphrey/status/685902455507447808 https://twitter.com/FLOWJamaica/status/685902184534425601 | Jan 09 19:16 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@mrjakehumphrey: Last week, Peterborough scored 3 against Sheffield United... #blank | Jan 09 19:16 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@FLOWJamaica: Sheffield United are just 7 minutes away from securing a famous draw at Old Trafford. #FACup | Jan 09 19:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Ozil_Ultra/status/685901997380382720 | Jan 09 19:16 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Ozil_Ultra: Schweini could've left Bayern a legend and gone to the MLS but instead he came to England to be pocketed by Chirs Basham of Sheffield United | Jan 09 19:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/pkwestelWFAN/status/685903338269978625 | Jan 09 19:20 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@pkwestelWFAN: Can wait for van Gaal to say Sheffield United are a top club and we should be happy with a 0-0 draw #MUFC #FACup | Jan 09 19:20 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/685947279220424704 | Jan 09 22:19 |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@Metztli_IT: #RacistScum—as #LePage—are manifestation of 'Murica's labor pains as it readies to birth #USAngo-#Zionist #Trump.ler https://t.co/0iWrKpC7uX | Jan 09 22:19 | |
| -TechrightsBN/#boycottnovell-@schestowitz: The remarks from Paul #LePage are like 80 years behind the times. If he was a German of Swedish minister in the days of #eugenics then... | Jan 09 22:19 | |
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