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| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@laurelrusswurm: Retweeted Dr. Roy Schestowitz (@schestowitz): The Trouble With the TPP, Day 27: Source Code Disclosure Confusion... https://t.co/MprbaCsain | Feb 14 10:16 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.michaelgeist.ca | The Trouble With the TPP, Day 27: Source Code Disclosure Confusion - Michael Geist | Feb 14 10:16 | |
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| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/45p3ml/microsoft_continues_to_use_software_patents_to/ | Feb 14 10:37 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | Microsoft Continues to Use Software Patents to Extort/Blackmail Even More Companies That Use Linux, Forcing/Coercing Them Into Preinstalling Microsoft : linux [ http://ur1.ca/oipft ] | Feb 14 10:37 | |
| schestowitz | "I still don't get what Microsoft has to do with ASUSTek. They are not even in the same platform or industry (OS Software vs Hardware components). Trying to pass a judgement on what ASUSTek can and cannot sell is nothing but trolling on part of Microsoft." | Feb 14 10:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 10:38 |
| schestowitz | If the bully's product (the OS) is a crucial part of your products (laptops, PCs), it may make you want to listen to what the bully has to say. It's a classic dilemma: You want to break free of the stranglehold, in order to do that you need to implement your new strategy while at the same time continue with your old strategy. | Feb 14 10:38 |
| schestowitz | The bully has this stranglehold on your old strategy and will use that to stop you from implementing new strategies. | Feb 14 10:38 |
| schestowitz | Samsung is doing it because they have the weight and product diversity to face them off, Asus is much more of a one-horse company and therefore more vulnerable. | Feb 14 10:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 10:38 |
| schestowitz | "|But why don't they absolutely decline and say NO to Windows and sell only Linux or zero-OS laptops. Most people buying ASUS are power-users anyway, they shouldn't mind formatting and doing a clean install of their OS of choice." | Feb 14 10:38 |
| schestowitz | "Risk. It would be huge risk to just stop using system that has gotten you this far and just start from scratch. Shareholders and such would probably have a heart attack if Asus would announce such plan and suddenly the stock would plummet." | Feb 14 10:38 |
| schestowitz | "If they all had heart attacks, there would be nobody left to sell the stocks..." | Feb 14 10:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 10:38 |
| schestowitz | Without insights into the profile of their average customer, it's hard to say if this is a smart business move or not. It's very possible Asus laptops are bought by a non-trivial amount of the technologically inept. Asus laptops are styled well and are alluring. | Feb 14 10:38 |
| schestowitz | I would love to see any laptop manufacturer at the very least diversify their range and offer Linux laptops with an optional Windows upgrade should they find they are not getting on well with Linux. | Feb 14 10:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 10:38 |
| schestowitz | "A lot of them do. My Dell Inspiron came with Ubuntu 12.04 (and also an Ubuntu sticker!). If you go to Ebay/Amazon and filter on "Linux", "FreeDOS" or "No OS", you can see quite a good number of laptops! From what I've observed Samsung and ASUS have the most laptops in this Non-Windows category of laptops, while Dell and Lenovo are just starting to offer them on few models. HP and Toshiba, for some reason, seem to want to stick with Microsoft | Feb 14 10:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 10:39 |
| schestowitz | "I know and have seen many casual Asus laptop users with windows so what you said conflicts heavily from what I've seen. It seems to me that most people who buy laptops are not power users." | Feb 14 10:39 |
| schestowitz | "Anyone old enough to remember SCO is not shocked by this." | Feb 14 10:39 |
| schestowitz | "Making a business agreement to preload the (already free) Microsoft Office apps on Android handsets... does not seem like a war against Linux." | Feb 14 10:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | NO Just NO. Nothing is forcing those companies to stay with MS. | Feb 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | If LINUX offered the same user experience for the MAJORITY of END USERS that Windows does today, Microsoft would be out of revenue. I say this typing from linux as my primary boot OS and windows being my OS for earning a living because Linux and the atmosphere around developing working profitable programs is non existent. As long as I have to use Photoshop instead of an equally powered option on linux, windows will have to stay in play. This | Feb 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | applies to a lot of end users working in many different industries outside of development and network applications. | Feb 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | Until freedom to setup and change everything stops being the default instead a power option for the minimal market share it represents, and until defaults start being set based on case uses of the majority of end users Microsoft will remain the leader in market share and end user appreciation. Until Linux makes it possible* for companies to lock down their products to the point they are on windows where they have margin of error amounts of | Feb 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | complaints about their software, they will not develop software for Linux and **end users will keep going to Microsoft. As long as developers keep confusing their freedoms with the users needs Microsoft will continue to hold the market, no blackmail needed. | Feb 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | "This hurts because there's truth to this statement. The third way is something that satisfies end users' needs while also offering freedom, but it's not always so simple." | Feb 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | "See my giant drunk post where I got nothing better to do than explain things in detail... fresh off the presses. https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/45k9vg/confused_by_license_compatibility_a_new_article/czzeqmr" | Feb 14 10:41 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | torontohatesfacts comments on Confused by license compatibility? A new article by Richard Stallman may help [ http://ur1.ca/oipg6 ] | Feb 14 10:41 | |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | I think Ubuntu is actually ready to provide that superior product in comparison to Windows or Chromebooks. It doesn't have certain programs that will hold some people back, but many people are changing platforms right now because they aren't held back. | Feb 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | That being said, ignoring the entire post except the last two sentences, I agree. People choose OS on what works for their needs, not what fits their morals better. | Feb 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu is great in terms of getting things done with minimal input, I'm using Xubuntu or Mint XFCE on all of my systems, only one of them a dual boot with Windows. If you want to see a desktop system where users are speaking with their wallets look at Mint's donation lists. Some users are throwing 10x the cost of Windows at them because its even smoother and more streamlined for that end user and their case use than Ubuntu flavours or Windows | Feb 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | The persisting issue is lack of 3rd party applications that function as well as industry standards on Windows and or Mac. | Feb 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | Mint figured out a monetization system besides donations that works for them and it doesn't force the user to go with it if they don't want but they explain what and how cleary about their ad/search revenue sharing with the built in search engines. They don't block users from using google, they do tell them google doesn't share /allow them to integrate Ad Sense and etc. | Feb 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 10:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 10:42 |
| schestowitz | This is essentially my rationale for how Ubuntu could replace Android and Chrome. Just let Google be default search and stuff. Then, let open source software takeover. Then, bait and switch Google at will. Developers will finally develop for Linux, and it will be gameover for platform lock-ins. | Feb 14 10:42 |
| schestowitz | I am kind of a hardcore Linux user who has done all the funky OSes and made my computer go to hell and back, but now I'm just installing Ubuntu because I might need to reinstall in a couple weeks, so who cares? And plus, I'm beginning to back Ubuntu as the one true hope for actual GNU Linux to reach mainstream. Its mobile developments are really legit. Its desktop is pretty and attractive to plebs. Let them win! And again, once mainstream | Feb 14 10:42 |
| schestowitz | picks Ubuntu, the applicable software will also easily run on whatever fancy distro that you prefer to run. | Feb 14 10:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 10:42 |
| schestowitz | "Do you? RawTherapee does more than Lightroom. Now, use what you know, but know what you don't know. I dislike Adobe and avoid their software because they do stupid things and charge too much. But Photoshop is okay software, if you have an arm and leg to sell for the whole Creative Suite, or accept torrenting their stuff and supporting the Hegemony." | Feb 14 10:42 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/698656938540802048 | Feb 14 11:04 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Snowden: Counter-counterpoint: https://t.co/uaZMK0UDXL | Feb 14 11:04 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@erisi236: @Snowden like the voting public is even going to remember what a Supreme Court is after tomorrow | Feb 14 11:04 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/infosecretwit/status/698912135183781888 | Feb 14 16:52 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@infosecretwit: https://t.co/3Cj7lsZySA Yes, users of #gnu #linux can install malware and back doors (if they want to) https://t.co/cft4gQwgfz | Feb 14 16:52 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Yes, users of #gnu #linux can install malware and back doors (if they want to) https://t.co/YqvaNHGo8W | Feb 14 16:52 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.techworm.net | Russian Hackers Spying On Your Linux PC Using Sophisticated Malware "Fysbis" » TechWorm | Feb 14 16:52 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/bdowns328/status/698918114944135168 | Feb 14 17:19 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@bdowns328: https://t.co/fdp95PFtKG #microsoft #linux | Feb 14 17:19 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Microsoft Continues to Use Software Patents to Extort/Blackmail Even More Companies That Use Linux, Forcing/Coercing Them Into Preinstalling Microsoft | Techrights | Feb 14 17:19 | |
| schestowitz | > Happy Valentine's Day for both of You! | Feb 14 17:47 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 14 17:47 |
| schestowitz | > American & Sacramento River. | Feb 14 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Wow, great stuff. Nice to see the family. My wife says "we're going to see you in the future..." | Feb 14 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | Florian still spends a lot of time promoting Rumphttps://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/698913854496055298 | Feb 14 19:13 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@FOSSpatents: "He is delivering an intense message that no one else has proven capable of delivering with the requisite intensity" https://t.co/2RPshgnw32 | Feb 14 19:13 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/698913854496055298 | Feb 14 19:13 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@TheStalwart: Interesting from @jamespoulos on Trump's attacks against GWB https://t.co/u78cVVrric | Feb 14 19:13 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/698921934533296128 | Feb 14 19:13 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@FOSSpatents: Looks like the Republican SC primaries are a foregone conclusion. https://t.co/ear2S1SYmc | Feb 14 19:13 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@realDonaldTrump: Thank you for your support! TOGETHER we will MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! https://t.co/fFN9pisyQ4 https://t.co/VxyuDwZmC9 | Feb 14 19:13 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/StallmanWasRight/comments/45rznq/microsoft_continues_to_use_software_patents_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/45ri55/microsoft_continues_to_use_software_patents_to/ | Feb 14 19:16 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | Microsoft Continues to Use Software Patents to Extort/Blackmail Even More Companies That Use Linux, Forcing/Coercing Them Into Preinstalling Microsoft : StallmanWasRight [ http://ur1.ca/oiqv2 ] | Feb 14 19:16 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | Microsoft Continues to Use Software Patents to Extort/Blackmail Even More Companies That Use Linux, Forcing/Coercing Them Into Preinstalling Microsoft : technology [ http://ur1.ca/oiqv4 ] | Feb 14 19:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/unfilter/comments/45g7o4/extortion_microsoft_is_more_like_a_new_mafia/ | Feb 14 20:43 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | Extortion - Microsoft is more like a new Mafia : unfilter [ http://ur1.ca/oiif7 ] | Feb 14 20:43 | |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Summary: Acer is the latest large OEM to have become a victim of Microsoft's witch-hunt against Android/Linux preloaders, whom Microsoft is coercing into becoming Microsoft's carriers. | Feb 14 20:43 |
| schestowitz | It's not hard to see what's happening here; even a Microsoft booster like Mary Jo Foley acknowledges the role of patent blackmail, using unnamed software patents which Microsoft has been using to hunt down OEMs all around the world, even where software patents are not at all valid. | Feb 14 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Acer is the latest large OEM to have become a victim of Microsoft's witch-hunt against Android/Linux preloaders, whom Microsoft is coercing into becoming Microsoft's carriers. | Feb 14 20:43 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 20:43 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/45ri55/microsoft_continues_to_use_software_patents_to/ | Feb 14 20:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Not sure what to think, as the language shows that the writer has a very strong anti-MS sentiment. | Feb 14 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Are there more articles about similar cases written by the others? | Feb 14 20:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 20:44 |
| schestowitz | "the us gov pulled in M$ i think the 90's for doing shit like this" | Feb 14 20:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 20:44 |
| schestowitz | This has been going on for years. | Feb 14 20:44 |
| schestowitz | The Halloween documents comprise a series of confidential Microsoft memoranda on potential strategies relating to free software, open-source software, and to Linux in particular, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween_documents | Feb 14 20:44 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.wikipedia.org | Halloween documents - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/oir5a ] | Feb 14 20:44 | |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 20:44 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp_v_Commission | Feb 14 21:12 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.wikipedia.org | Microsoft Corp v Commission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/ocs7p ] | Feb 14 21:12 | |
| schestowitz | "Yeah. That was back before the new "Companies Are Exempt from all Rules and Consequences. All Hail The Corporate Overloards"-Act, known as "Citizens" ironically." | Feb 14 21:12 |
| schestowitz | "ITT: /r/technology turns into /r/hailcorporate." | Feb 14 21:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 21:12 |
| schestowitz | This has been going on for years. | Feb 14 21:12 |
| schestowitz | The Halloween documents comprise a series of confidential Microsoft memoranda on potential strategies relating to free software, open-source software, and to Linux in particular, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween_documents | Feb 14 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft AstroTurfing War on GNU/Linux is Still Going On, But Hidden Better, Uses API as Instrument of Lock-in | Feb 14 21:12 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2015/02/21/corruptible-press-on-eee/ | Feb 14 21:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 21:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 21:13 |
| schestowitz | That's the same author.... | Feb 14 21:13 |
| schestowitz | The guy was asking for articles by other authors. | Feb 14 21:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 21:13 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/698970204664172544 | Feb 14 21:14 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Microsoft AstroTurfing War on GNU/Linux is Still Going On, But Hidden Better, Uses API as Instrument of Lock-in | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/oir9b ] | Feb 14 21:14 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: DiskIO performance on openvz servers at Hostodo is just horrible. I think they just overcommit a lot #hostodo #openvz | Feb 14 21:14 | |
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| schestowitz | > Great! You'll join us panning for gold! | Feb 14 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Ah, the gold rush... | Feb 14 22:23 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/45ri55/microsoft_continues_to_use_software_patents_to/ | Feb 14 22:24 |
| schestowitz | "LOL! I'm sure attentive to ongoing reality!" | Feb 14 22:24 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | Microsoft Continues to Use Software Patents to Extort/Blackmail Even More Companies That Use Linux, Forcing/Coercing Them Into Preinstalling Microsoft : technology [ http://ur1.ca/oiqv4 ] | Feb 14 22:24 | |
| schestowitz | "Looks like the guy is trying to slander M$ in the hopes that they pay him to buy his site.' | Feb 14 22:24 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Feb 14 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Nice logic there | Feb 14 22:25 |
| schestowitz | so the mission of techrights was all along to be bought by Microsoft, MinceR | Feb 14 22:25 |
| schestowitz | sounds legit | Feb 14 22:25 |
| MinceR | lol | Feb 14 22:29 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/45spd4/obeyish_linux_wallpaper_i_made_in_gimp/ | Feb 14 23:05 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | OBEYish Linux Wallpaper I made in GIMP : linux [ http://ur1.ca/oirn7 ] | Feb 14 23:05 | |
| schestowitz | "Well given the "M$" in your response, are you really that concerned?" | Feb 14 23:05 |
| schestowitz | "It's not because I am not too fond of a company that I can't call out the shills from the other side on their bullshit." | Feb 14 23:05 |
| schestowitz | "I love reddit comments on articles like this. Clearly there is no reason to go read the real article in this case." | Feb 14 23:05 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TroyRubert/status/699009706963111936 https://twitter.com/TroyRubert/status/699009992679153664 | Feb 14 23:24 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@TroyRubert: https://t.co/0GYGvNyP9X | Feb 14 23:24 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Microsoft Continues to Use Software Patents to Extort/Blackmail Even More Companies That Use Linux, Forcing/Coercing Them Into Preinstalling Microsoft | Techrights | Feb 14 23:24 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@TroyRubert: https://t.co/0GYGvNyP9X #Technology | Feb 14 23:24 | |
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| schestowitz | > old | Feb 15 08:37 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 15 08:37 |
| schestowitz | > x | Feb 15 08:37 |
| schestowitz | > http://tech.blorge.com/2016/01/05/lenovo-analyst-linux-on-netbooks-is-doomed/155288 | Feb 15 08:37 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-tech.blorge.com | Lenovo analyst: Linux on netbooks is doomed - Blorge [ http://ur1.ca/oit5i ] | Feb 15 08:37 | |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 15 08:37 |
| schestowitz | > recycled bullshit | Feb 15 08:37 |
| schestowitz | Yes, a while back they redid their CMS or something. | Feb 15 08:37 |
| schestowitz | > x | Feb 15 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.infoworld.com/article/3032647/open-source-tools/face-it-theres-no-money-in-open-source.html | Feb 15 08:44 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.infoworld.com | Face it: There's no money in open source | InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/oit6a ] | Feb 15 08:44 | |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 15 08:44 |
| schestowitz | > Asay again, he still wants to work for M$ I see | Feb 15 08:44 |
| schestowitz | probably, now it's Adobe. Mac Asay used to work for Novell and Shuttleworth made a huge error by giving him the COO role. | Feb 15 08:44 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/genericpanic/status/699152272652156928 | Feb 15 08:47 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@genericpanic: "employing a carpet-bombing approach to copyright enforcement, things were bound to go wrong for TCYK at some point" https://t.co/clv01edZGf | Feb 15 08:47 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: 82-Year-Old Great-Grandmother is a Pirate, Trolls Say https://t.co/ZRMuoESBYp #copyright | Feb 15 08:47 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/699149975654133760 | Feb 15 08:50 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: #Iran says it is cracking down on Valentine's Day celebrations and shops engaging in them will be guilty of a crime https://t.co/BSQ8om9Zo1 | Feb 15 08:51 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.usnews.com | Iran rules "decadent" Valentine's Day celebrations a crime - US News | Feb 15 08:51 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/We3forDemocracy/status/699153656080273408 | Feb 15 08:51 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@We3forDemocracy: @schestowitz 👎🏼👎🏽 | Feb 15 08:51 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEdGxPCdrnQ | Feb 15 09:06 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.youtube.com | USENIX Enigma 2016 - Verification, Auditing, and Evidence: If We Didn’t Notice Anything Wrong... - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/oit95 ] | Feb 15 09:06 | |
| schestowitz | USENIX Enigma 2016 - Verification, Auditing, and Evidence: If We Didn’t | Feb 15 09:06 |
| schestowitz | Notice Anything Wrong, is the election outcome right? | Feb 15 09:06 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> http://www.infoworld.com/article/3032647/open-source-tools/face-it-theres-no-money-in-open-source.html | Feb 15 09:42 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> | Feb 15 09:42 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> Asay again, he still wants to work for M$ I see | Feb 15 09:42 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Feb 15 09:42 |
| schestowitz | >> > probably, now it's Adobe. Mac Asay used to work for Novell and | Feb 15 09:42 |
| schestowitz | >> > Shuttleworth made a huge error by giving him the COO role. | Feb 15 09:42 |
| schestowitz | > Canonical | Ubuntu is really heading into trouble technically. Also | Feb 15 09:42 |
| schestowitz | > communitywise a fairly pernicious pro-M$ group has gain a lot of | Feb 15 09:42 |
| schestowitz | > influence. | Feb 15 09:42 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 15 09:42 |
| schestowitz | > e.g. | Feb 15 09:42 |
| schestowitz | > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2304998&p=13400550 | Feb 15 09:42 |
| schestowitz | Haha, stay classy, Ubuntu.... | Feb 15 09:42 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ubuntuforums.org | [UbuntuGnome] Rip Protected DVDs with HandbrakeCLI [ http://ur1.ca/oiti3 ] | Feb 15 09:42 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/699135773916991490 | Feb 15 09:43 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: @opensourceway asciidoc is way too big at installation. I removed it and won 400mb. | Feb 15 09:43 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gun_bongtrop/status/699173392478400512 | Feb 15 10:12 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@gun_bongtrop: nice https://t.co/EXW83cwBgM via @rightrelevance thanks @schestowitz | Feb 15 10:12 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.phoronix.com | The Dota 2 Performance On The Latest NVIDIA Linux Graphics Drivers - Phoronix | Feb 15 10:12 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxActionShow/comments/45qzv8/microsoft_continues_to_use_software_patents_to/ | Feb 15 10:48 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | Microsoft Continues to Use Software Patents to Extort/Blackmail Even More Companies That Use Linux, Forcing/Coercing Them Into Preinstalling Microsoft : LinuxActionShow [ http://ur1.ca/oiq50 ] | Feb 15 10:48 | |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 15 10:48 |
| schestowitz | I'm not saying the article's author's analysis isn't correct, but his attitude as an anti-Microsoft evangelist comes out really forcefully with terms like "vista 10" and "Microsoft malware". | Feb 15 10:48 |
| schestowitz | I'm not saying he's incorrect, but being an extremist will not win you any points with the uneducated and mostly unopinionated majority - which is who we want to target after all (otherwise it's just preaching to the choir). | Feb 15 10:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 15 10:48 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/StallmanWasRight/comments/45rznq/microsoft_continues_to_use_software_patents_to/ | Feb 15 10:49 |
| schestowitz | "And yet, just today I got down voted for rejecting the "we love linux" crap. Yeah, sure they do." | Feb 15 10:49 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | Microsoft Continues to Use Software Patents to Extort/Blackmail Even More Companies That Use Linux, Forcing/Coercing Them Into Preinstalling Microsoft : StallmanWasRight [ http://ur1.ca/oiqv2 ] | Feb 15 10:49 | |
| schestowitz | > Dear Roy, | Feb 15 10:55 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 15 10:55 |
| schestowitz | > Here it goes: | Feb 15 10:55 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 15 10:55 |
| schestowitz | > epo-distorted-patent-system == oep-sistema-distorsionado-de-patentes | Feb 15 10:55 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 15 10:55 |
| schestowitz | > Cheers | Feb 15 10:55 |
| schestowitz | thank you | Feb 15 10:55 |
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| schestowitz | > Bro, | Feb 15 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 15 11:26 |
| schestowitz | >>From now on I'll send you the translation for the final url part along with the | Feb 15 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > article: | Feb 15 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 15 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > epo-upc-trojan-horse == oep-upc-caballo-de-troya | Feb 15 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 15 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > Thus It'll be easy for me to look for them when I see that needs to be linked. | Feb 15 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 15 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > We arrived home in Westminster around 6:00. It's almos ten and B&K still up. I | Feb 15 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > wish I could have that energy. | Feb 15 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 15 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > Cheers | Feb 15 11:27 |
| schestowitz | Yes, it helps to have the URL slug included, otherwise I just guess with my very poor Spanish comprehension... | Feb 15 11:27 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Mysmartprivacy/status/699238124556144640 | Feb 15 18:15 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Mysmartprivacy: @schestowitz #smartphones are not your only worry. Now your #android 4K TV Watches You! https://t.co/DjvOtIies8 https://t.co/Ooh7VERchE | Feb 15 18:15 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.termsmayapply.com | Smartphone Application Permissions - App Permissions | Feb 15 18:15 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Mysmartprivacy: @schestowitz #smartphones are not your only worry. Now your #android 4K TV Watches You! https://t.co/DjvOtIies8 https://t.co/Ooh7VERchE | Feb 15 18:16 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/699234832442908672 | Feb 15 19:41 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: What about a Zsun hooked up to an Android phone that exposes leaked AP names, gives a DHCP answer with an NTP server in 1970? | Feb 15 19:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/699242381858709504 | Feb 15 19:41 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: Toggle a LED light with a USB serial adaptor via its DTR pin https://t.co/12T4kxXFKu https://t.co/HblVAUauPd | Feb 15 19:41 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> github.com | GitHub - zoobab/toggledtr: Blink a LED with the DTR pin of a serial port | Feb 15 19:41 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: Toggle a LED light with a USB serial adaptor via its DTR pin https://t.co/12T4kxXFKu https://t.co/HblVAUauPd | Feb 15 19:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/699278651263680512 | Feb 15 19:42 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: Blink a 2EUR LED lamp with a usb-serial port converter and its DTR pin https://t.co/12T4kxXFKu https://t.co/eWSZkz7sJs | Feb 15 19:42 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: Blink a 2EUR LED lamp with a usb-serial port converter and its DTR pin https://t.co/12T4kxXFKu https://t.co/eWSZkz7sJs | Feb 15 19:42 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jsalsman/status/699318116174553088 | Feb 15 19:44 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@jsalsman: @schestowitz there is already patent trolling in China, but the opaque court system changes all the risk equations | Feb 15 19:44 | |
| schestowitz | I've seen almost no data/info about China and patents, not in English anyway... | Feb 15 19:44 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/HypriotTweets/status/694990650211725313 | Feb 15 19:48 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@HypriotTweets: The Pine A64 is about to become the cheapest ARM 64-bit platform to run @Docker: https://t.co/7KcXbl9yAV @thepine64 https://t.co/mgW2ystm0v | Feb 15 19:48 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> blog.hypriot.com | The Pine A64 is about to become the cheapest ARM 64-bit platform to run Docker · Docker Pirates ARMed with explosive stuff | Feb 15 19:48 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@HypriotTweets: The Pine A64 is about to become the cheapest ARM 64-bit platform to run @Docker: https://t.co/7KcXbl9yAV @thepine64 https://t.co/mgW2ystm0v | Feb 15 19:48 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jsalsman/status/699319554208456705 | Feb 15 19:51 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@jsalsman: @schestowitz I lived in Shanghai working at @EFLabs where patents prevented pronunciation intelligibility remediation software improvements | Feb 15 19:51 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jsalsman/status/699318116174553088 | Feb 15 19:52 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7040648 | Feb 15 20:33 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 42 Best Free Linux Audio Software http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/201602140117420/Audio.html #gnu #linux #multimedia #freesw | Feb 15 20:33 | |
| schestowitz | "Missing the best free music player: Clementine ;)" | Feb 15 20:33 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.linuxlinks.com | 42 Best Free Linux Audio Software - Linux Links - The Linux Portal Site [ http://ur1.ca/oiw9x ] | Feb 15 20:33 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7041944 | Feb 15 20:33 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: https://twitter.com/aulty/status/699010621715644420 | Feb 15 20:33 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@aulty: Microsoft Continues to Use Software Patents to Extort/Blackmail Even More Companies That Use Linux, Forcing/Coerci… https://t.co/Jd8K22jv5z | Feb 15 20:33 | |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 15 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Dr. Roy is there anything we can do against these devils? | Feb 15 20:33 |
| schestowitz | How can we unite? | Feb 15 20:33 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 15 20:33 |
| schestowitz | We need to broaden awareness that this is happening, as the media sure isn't willing to speak about these matters (under NDAs) | Feb 15 20:34 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7016374 | Feb 15 20:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #ubuntu Web site has just been changed a lot, but still rather ugly in my humble opinion http://www.ubuntu.com/ http://www.ubuntu.com/tablet | Feb 15 20:36 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.ubuntu.com | The leading OS for PC, tablet, phone and cloud | Ubuntu | Feb 15 20:36 | |
| schestowitz | "It is indeed I reckon." | Feb 15 20:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.ubuntu.com | Ubuntu for tablets | Ubuntu | Feb 15 20:36 | |
| schestowitz | "Rather mean comments, I reckon." | Feb 15 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Depends to who... | Feb 15 20:36 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7041944 | Feb 15 22:56 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 15 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Most of the time I feel so helpless, hopeless, powerless. | Feb 15 22:56 |
| schestowitz | I Dutch we would say ‘vleugellam’. | Feb 15 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Thanks Dr. Roy. | Feb 15 22:56 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 15 22:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/plossra/status/699366288343359489 | Feb 15 22:57 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@plossra: We need a strong @Europarl_FR to preserve our #freedom to use #FreeSoftware A strong @_DINSIC for #RGIv2 with #ODF ! https://t.co/JHHUp4u3SI | Feb 15 22:57 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: France school software deal https://t.co/W8C0V0HvpL #france not bribed by #microsoft (yet) unlike https://t.co/nNEZm251JU | Feb 15 22:57 | |
| schestowitz | "He had posted a video where he was showing how to edited a photo in GIMP. The photo in question was a digital picture of a partially-nude woman. Apparently it got his channel banned." | Feb 15 23:45 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/45xpr9/linuxhelpguy_is_shutting_his_channel_down/ | Feb 15 23:45 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | LinuxHelpGuy is shutting his channel down : linux [ http://ur1.ca/oix3e ] | Feb 15 23:45 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7042415 | Feb 16 00:19 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Standing Against Henrico County's #Censorship of Multicultural Education http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kimberle-crenshaw/standing-against-henrico_b_9238444.html http://www.nola.com/education/index.ssf/2016/02/virginia_parents_outraged_over.html | Feb 16 00:19 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.huffingtonpost.com | Standing Against Henrico County's Censorship of Multicultural Education [ http://ur1.ca/oix85 ] | Feb 16 00:19 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.facebook.com/RED-or-BLUE-pill-417222671678833/?fref=ts | Feb 16 00:19 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.nola.com | Racial inequality cartoon banned after parents complain, Washington Post reports | NOLA.com [ http://ur1.ca/oix86 ] | Feb 16 00:19 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.facebook.com | RED or BLUE pill? [ http://ur1.ca/oix87 ] | Feb 16 00:19 | |
| schestowitz | Nothing says censorship like facebook.com | Feb 16 00:19 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/T_Miller_Harper/status/699395678758420480 | Feb 16 00:53 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@T_Miller_Harper: Oh dear, rather an egotistical point of view IMO, but worth a read all the same. https://t.co/eJFMFugHUL | Feb 16 00:53 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: "Muslims can live compatibly in Britain because what is good & civilised in British values is indebted to Islam." ?! https://t.co/Pj4GmerJoT | Feb 16 00:53 | |
| schestowitz | yes, rather odd, so merits attention | Feb 16 00:53 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MariusNestor/status/699395962045857793 | Feb 16 00:54 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@MariusNestor: @schestowitz I'm not sure if Bob is aware because the RSS gets new entries while the website is accessible only from some countries. #lxer | Feb 16 00:54 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7042213 | Feb 16 09:45 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Russian media amplifies the Syrian side http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160214/1034745285/syrian-president-interview.html it's only fair to listen to both sides, Western media doesn't do it | Feb 16 09:45 | |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 16 09:46 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> sputniknews.com | Assad Explains Why He is Not Ruling Out Turkish, Saudi Invasion of Syria [ http://ur1.ca/oiyxx ] | Feb 16 09:46 | |
| schestowitz | [[[courtesy of Ian R Crane via RICHPLANET.NET]]]--------------------- | Feb 16 09:46 |
| schestowitz | REGIONS with a STATE run BANK a.k.a OWNED BY THE PEOPLE a.k.a not owned by PRIVATE bankers!!!--------- | Feb 16 09:46 |
| schestowitz | [NORTH DAKOTA] | Feb 16 09:46 |
| schestowitz | [NORTH KOREA] | Feb 16 09:46 |
| schestowitz | [VENEZUELA] | Feb 16 09:46 |
| schestowitz | [HUNGARY] | Feb 16 09:46 |
| schestowitz | [ICELAND] | Feb 16 09:46 |
| schestowitz | [SYRIA] | Feb 16 09:46 |
| schestowitz | [CUBA] | Feb 16 09:46 |
| schestowitz | [IRAN] | Feb 16 09:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 16 09:46 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/699528814985093121 | Feb 16 09:46 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@jmcest: RT @schestowitz #patent lawyers try to "Save Software Patents" https://t.co/4HLyJQyyWm #swpats | Feb 16 09:46 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.law360.com | How Structural Claim Limitations Can Save Software Patents - Law360 | Feb 16 09:46 | |
| schestowitz | > "all publicly funded institutions will lose the freedom to refuse to | Feb 16 09:53 |
| schestowitz | > buy goods and services from companies involved in the arms trade, fossil | Feb 16 09:53 |
| schestowitz | > fuels, tobacco products or Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank." | Feb 16 09:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 16 09:53 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/israel-boycott-local-councils-public-bodies-and-student-unions-to-be-banned-from-shunning-israeli-a6874006.html | Feb 16 09:53 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.independent.co.uk | Israel boycott ban: Shunning Israeli goods to become criminal offence for public bodies and student unions | Home News | News | The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/oiyyc ] | Feb 16 09:53 | |
| schestowitz | > Bro, | Feb 16 11:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 16 11:02 |
| schestowitz | > Here it goes: | Feb 16 11:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 16 11:02 |
| schestowitz | > swpats_and_epo_uspto == swpats-y-epo-uspto | Feb 16 11:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 16 11:02 |
| schestowitz | > It's so hot here in Westminster. We went to the park & the pool. The big girls | Feb 16 11:02 |
| schestowitz | > want to go to the bookstore. Have an iced tea on my name. | Feb 16 11:02 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/LiskHQ/status/699573179044466688 | Feb 16 12:41 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@LiskHQ: @schestowitz https://t.co/cN977WMXN7 Technology -> I. Most Popular Technologies. 2015: JavaScript 2014: JavaScript 2013: JavaScript/SQL | Feb 16 12:41 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> stackoverflow.com | Stack Overflow Developer Survey 2015 | Feb 16 12:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/tekcurmudgeon/status/699589688839901184 https://twitter.com/tekcurmudgeon/status/699590500135755780 | Feb 16 13:54 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@tekcurmudgeon: WHERE OH WHERE IS OPENMOKO!!?!?? https://t.co/p9FpkTYFW8 | Feb 16 13:54 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: #microsoft wants to increasingly spy on keyboards' use in real-time, not just in #vista10 which is a keylogger https://t.co/cTGG7m4Rs5 | Feb 16 13:54 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@tekcurmudgeon: Believe it or not, he wasn't all bad, despite the barbaric glee so many displayed at his passing. https://t.co/54C5oxzo6G | Feb 16 13:54 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: #scalia was also a sceptic of #swpats about a decade ago against the Mafia (Microsoft) https://t.co/rSarmVjl2T | Feb 16 13:54 | |
| schestowitz | > Dear Roy, | Feb 16 16:08 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 16 16:08 |
| schestowitz | > Hello Roy, | Feb 16 16:08 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 16 16:08 |
| schestowitz | > I forgot to mention that in my last email that the reference to | Feb 16 16:08 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 16 16:08 |
| schestowitz | > 'the flier cartoon [No. 7 "Meet the President"]' | Feb 16 16:08 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 16 16:08 |
| schestowitz | > mentioned in the text (now) on http://techrights.org/2016/02/13/epo-meet-the-president-event/ | Feb 16 16:08 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 16 16:08 |
| schestowitz | > refers to the 'Caricature of the Day' at http://techrights.org/2016/02/04/epo-freedom-of-speech/ | Feb 16 16:09 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 16 16:09 |
| schestowitz | > Just in case that you want to add the link. | Feb 16 16:09 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Feedback About Battistelli’s ‘Meet the President’ Event in Rijswijk (4th of February, 2016) | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/oizzj ] | Feb 16 16:09 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, I knew this but I don't want to help draw lines between sources. I have some more regarding the EPO coming out later, took a day off work today... | Feb 16 16:09 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Caricature of the Day: EPO President | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/oizzk ] | Feb 16 16:09 | |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 16 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Also attached is the latest caricature. | Feb 16 17:25 |
| schestowitz | You might want to say that it kind of 'summarises' the interview. | Feb 16 17:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 16 17:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 16 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Feel free to use as you deem appropriate. | Feb 16 17:25 |
| schestowitz | And thanks for your support. | Feb 16 17:25 |
| schestowitz | regards, | Feb 16 17:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 16 17:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 16 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Hello Roy, | Feb 16 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Here are the links to the subtitled videos, as promised. | Feb 16 17:25 |
| schestowitz | It took longer than expected (technical problems). Sorry for that! | Feb 16 17:25 |
| schestowitz | I have seen that the video is on your site already. | Feb 16 17:25 |
| schestowitz | I still add some more information in the attached text file: | Feb 16 17:25 |
| schestowitz | 1. A summary of the TV REPORT | Feb 16 17:25 |
| schestowitz | 2. Additional links to the videos (now also on vimeo) | Feb 16 17:25 |
| schestowitz | 3. A transcript of the English subtitles (with comments) | Feb 16 17:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 16 17:26 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/canadacalling/status/699652633787817984 | Feb 16 18:11 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@canadacalling: @schestowitz @AboutVisions @chewinglass Roosh is an atrocious serial rapist: 1 https://t.co/pNBxrZD2ah 2 https://t.co/5VcpbVnquh Please RT | Feb 16 18:11 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.dailymail.co.uk | Daryush 'Roosh' Valizadeh admits 'what could be considered rape' in deleted post | Daily Mail Online | Feb 16 18:11 | |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 16 18:48 |
| schestowitz | "This intimidation must stop," the person told us, "and Battistelli should be told to leave." | Feb 16 18:48 |
| schestowitz | "Just for the record," I responded, "I am aware of more people who have been targeted, but their lawyers advise them against going public with the details (which I have but have not published). This situation must be addressed as a matter of urgency to prevent more suicides and other irreparable damages." | Feb 16 18:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 16 18:48 |
| schestowitz | hmm... better water this down a bit | Feb 16 18:48 |
| schestowitz | > Hello Roy, | Feb 16 18:49 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 16 18:49 |
| schestowitz | > Thanks for your below comment. | Feb 16 18:49 |
| schestowitz | > That is a good reason, indeed. | Feb 16 18:49 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to connect caricatures with particular teams like the flier folks, just in case another 'bogus' investigation is launched. | Feb 16 18:49 |
| schestowitz | > I just sent you some more documents. | Feb 16 18:52 |
| schestowitz | > Don't feel obliged to use them, if you think that things have been sufficiently covered. | Feb 16 18:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 16 18:52 |
| schestowitz | > Above all: | Feb 16 18:52 |
| schestowitz | > Enjoy your day off! | Feb 16 18:52 |
| schestowitz | I will work on the material I have at hand rather than help by attending at Munich. It's the least I can do to stand up and defend justice in Germany. I heard a lot of stories about what happens when nobody bothers doing it... | Feb 16 18:52 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/699678577609023490 | Feb 16 19:39 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Zeipt: Математика мешает мешать террористам. (глава ЦРУ John #Brennan) https://t.co/EtzcYjd6TV | Feb 16 19:39 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: CIA Head John #Brennan Says #CIA Failed To Prevent Terrorist Attacks Because Of Encrypted Communications https://t.co/fHiJuzYojw liar | Feb 16 19:40 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/je5perl/status/699681022053588993 | Feb 16 19:48 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@je5perl: @schestowitz @zoobab If the software is actually doing something, there is probably a further technical effect somewhere.. (#irony) | Feb 16 19:48 | |
| schestowitz | And it's "inventive(R)" | Feb 16 19:48 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fth_nix/status/699686499898544128 | Feb 16 20:07 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@fth_nix: Wish it was firefoxos! :'/ https://t.co/0HQ8CUinSK | Feb 16 20:07 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: #Tizen smartphone sold 3 million units in 2015 https://t.co/6PKm5zCFMn #linux #samsung | Feb 16 20:07 | |
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| schestowitz | >>> > > Hello Roy, | Feb 16 21:58 |
| schestowitz | >>> > > | Feb 16 21:58 |
| schestowitz | >>> > > Thanks for your below comment. | Feb 16 21:58 |
| schestowitz | >>> > > That is a good reason, indeed. | Feb 16 21:58 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Feb 16 21:58 |
| schestowitz | >> > I don't want to connect caricatures with particular teams like the flier | Feb 16 21:58 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Feb 16 21:58 |
| schestowitz | >> > folks, just in case another 'bogus' investigation is launched. | Feb 16 21:58 |
| schestowitz | > AGREED. THAT'S PROBABLY BETTER. GOOD STYLE! | Feb 16 21:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 16 21:58 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Feb 16 21:58 |
| schestowitz | >>> > > It seems that you are becoming an expert even for EPO-internal matters. | Feb 16 21:58 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Feb 16 21:58 |
| schestowitz | >>> > > BB is creating transpareny! | Feb 16 21:58 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | >> > By alienating everything he made a lot more enemies. His days are now | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | >> > numbered. | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > I THINKS SO TOO. AND I STILL HAVE SOME HOPE FOR TOMORROW | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > (BOARD 28 MEETING; YOU PROBABLY KNOW ABOUT THE RUMOURS THAT THEY | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > ARE NEGOTIATING HIS DEPARTURE; BUT THE RUMOUR IS NOT CONFIRMED). | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | >>> > > I just sent you some more documents. | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | >>> > > Don't feel obliged to use them, if you think that things have been sufficiently | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | >> > covered. | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | >>> > > | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | >>> > > Above all: | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | >>> > > Enjoy your day off! | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | >> > I will work on the material I have at hand rather than help by attending | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | >> > at Munich. It's the least I can do to stand up and defend justice in | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | >> > Germany. I heard a lot of stories about what happens when nobody bothers | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | >> > doing it... | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > YES. THAT MAKES MORE SENSE. | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > BUT YOU ARE ALMOST 'OVER-PRODUCING'; | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > CURRENTLY,NOBODY MANAGES TO FOLLOW ALL YOUR POSTS ABOUT THE EPO. | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > READ YOU SOON AGAIN. | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | People can always choose to catch up with older posts, if they find the time... tomorrow I won't be at home for long, so I need to take advantage of the time I have today. | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | I don't believe BB will be pushed out tomorrow. Not yet... | Feb 16 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/StoneSculptorJN/status/699753768137560065 | Feb 17 00:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@StoneSculptorJN: .@schestowitz that's because Hillary hired the owner of the site ➡️ @davidbrockdc She is paying him millions 💸 | Feb 17 00:36 | |
| schestowitz | That's despicable. Any link about it? I'd delete the feed from my list in a minute... | Feb 17 00:37 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7045438 | Feb 17 00:42 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: [2014] How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar [2016] Bush buys Nazi memorabilia https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/16/that-gun-jeb-bush-tweeted-today-its-maker-has-a-long-and-fascinating-history/ | Feb 17 00:42 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.theguardian.com | How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power | World news | The Guardian | Feb 17 00:42 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.washingtonpost.com | That gun Jeb Bush tweeted today? Its maker has a long and fascinating history. - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/oj2em ] | Feb 17 00:42 | |
| schestowitz | oh, cool http://wttr.in/Manchester | Feb 17 00:49 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-Couldn't resolve host 'wttr.in' ( status 0 @ http://wttr.in/Manchester ) | Feb 17 00:49 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/StoneSculptorJN/status/699756429863833600 https://twitter.com/StoneSculptorJN/status/699757184805044225 | Feb 17 01:03 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@StoneSculptorJN: The more I find out about him, the less I like him @schestowitz @davidbrockdc https://t.co/J2D5COKJ3z | Feb 17 01:03 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> thehill.com | Sanders aide: Clinton 'should be ashamed' of David Brock | TheHill | Feb 17 01:03 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@StoneSculptorJN: @schestowitz @davidbrockdc I just unfollowed & removed his Media Matters account from my lists. | Feb 17 01:03 | |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Matters_for_America | Feb 17 01:07 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.wikipedia.org | Media Matters for America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Feb 17 01:07 | |
| schestowitz | "Founder David Brock" | Feb 17 01:07 |
| schestowitz | Yuck, so it's true | Feb 17 01:07 |
| schestowitz | Clinton think tank more of less | Feb 17 01:07 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brock | Feb 17 01:09 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.wikipedia.org | David Brock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Feb 17 01:09 | |
| schestowitz | "wrote the book The Real Anita Hill and the Troopergate story, which led to Paula Jones filing a lawsuit against Bill Clinton." | Feb 17 01:09 |
| schestowitz | "Through his work at Media Matters and with the Super PACs American Bridge 21st Century and Priorities USA Action, Brock has supported Hillary Clinton's political career" | Feb 17 01:09 |
| schestowitz | "In 1996, Brock surprised conservatives by publishing a somewhat sympathetic biography of Hillary Clinton, titled The Seduction of Hillary Rodham." | Feb 17 01:10 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ErosBonazzi/status/699781701103259648 | Feb 17 07:27 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@ErosBonazzi: @YESFUCKYOUTOO @LucianoBonazzi @NutellaGlobal @Nestle @schestowitz Salviamo gli oranghi | Feb 17 07:27 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/700045737116225536 | Feb 17 20:44 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: @vbsteven a RaspberryPi serving static pages would be enough to replace those monsters. | Feb 17 20:44 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/EsRevorTeR/status/700057287885524992 | Feb 17 20:44 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@EsRevorTeR: @schestowitz #word | Feb 17 20:44 | |
| schestowitz | > Roy, | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > A few weeks ago my Win7 partition on my dual boot Linux Mint Gateway | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > ID58 laptop system started having communication problems with wifi. I | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > don't use it except to communicate with my Garmin Vivofit fitness | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > tracking bracelet to upload its data to Garmin server and update my | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > Magellan car GPS maps. (There are no Linux applications for these | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > unfortunately.) All else I do in Linux. | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > M$ added a nuisance pop up update that kept offering me on a daily | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > basis, Win10 for free nagging me to download. I kept declining. | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > Two weeks later I got a pop up from Symantec, NTkernel32.exe (or | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > something to that effect) was trying to communicate with the outside | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > world. It did not seem legitimate and so I clicked to block. Shortly | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > after, I started having wifi problems. I use the same computer for | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > Linux Mint sessions, Linux still worked flawlessly with my wifi | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > router, so it wasn't a hardware problem. I reinstalled the Win7 | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > software from the Gateway backup DVD's I made when I bought the | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > machine. It comes with M$ Office preinstalled, so I immediately | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > uninstalled it. I also uninstalled another M$ apt that is used to | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > validate it. | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > I'm having wifi problems even with the refresh. I connect directly to | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > the 802.3 LAN port, whilst wifi keeps going intermittent, with weird | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > messages like its settings doesn't match the wifi, which it never did | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > before. Now I am on Internet. I download M$ WGA verifier, which comes | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > back that my WIn7 system is not genuine. What? | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > Again, I wipe the partition and reinstall. This time I don't delete M$ | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > stuff. I shut off and on the cable modem and wifi router. System works | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > for a day on wifi. I get SP1 installed now. Next day, guess what? Wifi | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > no longer works again. Boot into Mint, works perfectly. | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > M$ has seeded search engines to the point where I can only find praise | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > for M$ with very few complaints. Yet, my government engineer friends, | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > nearly all have a disdain for M$ and especially after learning of the | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > various lawsuits and unethical behaviour. My current workaround now is | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > to do Vivofit upload on my Android phone. If I can update my GPS with | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > my phone, may try that also. M$ with its profitability goals has | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > certainly followed a familiar saying, "Get all you can, can all you | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > get and poison the rest." | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > I'm feeling a lot like Ernie Ball and with a suitable workaround, may | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > just wipe all M$ off several of my dual boots and just go straight | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > Linux. Still using my ASUS 701SD 4gb netbook. It runs Lubuntu as my | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > MP3 front end for my sound system as my backing band for sax playing. | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > Got to go. Found this compliment to you and Rex Ballard when searching: | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > http://cosmicpenguin.com/linux/MICROSOFTS_WAR_AGAINST_LINUX.html | Feb 17 22:11 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-cosmicpenguin.com | MICROSOFT'S WAR AGAINST LINUX | Feb 17 22:11 | |
| schestowitz | If a device that you use is not compatible with Linux, then the cheaper and simpler solution would be to replace that device (or give it away), then wipe Windows. I had some issues with W98 at some stage more than a decade ago, whereupon I just chucked it and things got a lot easier. | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Thanks for keeping in touch. I read quite a bit about Okinawa recently and it always brings back to mind some stories. | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > Dear Roy, | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > thanks for your mail. So, I hope that something will happend with Mr. Topic. At the momment I am in the hospital. I will call you back next week. | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > Best regards from Zagreb. | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | best wishes and fast recovery from myself and the wife. Thanks for the SMS (on my wife's phone). | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7046138 | Feb 17 22:17 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: As #techdirt correctly put it, judge asked #apple to "Create A >New< Backdoor." Because there are already back doors, they want even more. | Feb 17 22:17 | |
| schestowitz | "why ask for a new one when you already have one?" | Feb 17 22:17 |
| schestowitz | In case researchers discover the older one ;-) | Feb 17 22:17 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/700093086773354496 | Feb 17 23:04 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @patentbuddy @zoobab Billy Gates and another were(are?) trying to start a tech Charter School here in NZ. I say F that! | Feb 17 23:04 | |
| schestowitz | Billy and corporate buddies whom he invests in (for profit) always look for ventures http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique … | Feb 17 23:04 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/1e8bh ] | Feb 17 23:04 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/patentbuddy/status/700093243837407233 | Feb 17 23:05 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@patentbuddy: @schestowitz @zoobab I am also an inventor--there is a eureka moment for invention and for problem solving. | Feb 17 23:05 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/patentbuddy/status/700093382014533632 | Feb 17 23:05 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@patentbuddy: @retroDoomer @schestowitz @zoobab Me too. I do not trust Gates. | Feb 17 23:05 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/700093403120336896 | Feb 17 23:05 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @patentbuddy @zoobab Gov't pays them (charters) grants etc, they aren't publicly liable either. Can hide records/spending. | Feb 17 23:05 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/700093535563948032 | Feb 17 23:06 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: @patentbuddy @schestowitz BTW most tech transfer departments of universities are in deficit. | Feb 17 23:06 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/patentbuddy/status/700093763985616896 | Feb 17 23:06 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@patentbuddy: @zoobab @schestowitz That's true. | Feb 17 23:06 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/infosecretwit/status/700095124223758336 | Feb 17 23:18 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@infosecretwit: https://t.co/bEwx5WQXHh RT schestowitz: Just because the greedy, social-engineering #twitter bans people I disagr… https://t.co/aP8bEKYtLm | Feb 17 23:18 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Just because the greedy, social-engineering #twitter bans people I disagree with doesn't mean I won't fight for them https://t.co/8K3Gu80StU | Feb 17 23:18 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- (Re-tweeted by robhines8) | Feb 17 23:18 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.americanthinker.com | Blog: Social media sites getting serious about censoring conservatives | Feb 17 23:18 | |
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| schestowitz | Re: yesterday#s post (transcript ...) | Feb 18 01:03 |
| schestowitz | > Hello Roy, | Feb 18 01:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 18 01:03 |
| schestowitz | > I was surprised to see it being published so fast. | Feb 18 01:03 |
| schestowitz | > But it was good for the mood (for the demo today; no news yet, by the way). | Feb 18 01:03 |
| schestowitz | > The link was spontaneously circulated by someone yesterday night (via private emails). | Feb 18 01:03 |
| schestowitz | > That does not happen often. So, it shows that people liked the post. | Feb 18 01:03 |
| schestowitz | > thanks for that! | Feb 18 01:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 18 01:03 |
| schestowitz | > An internet search for 'epo tv report demonstration' | Feb 18 01:03 |
| schestowitz | > now gets people quite directly to two techrights posts on the matter. | Feb 18 01:03 |
| schestowitz | > good work! | Feb 18 01:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 18 01:03 |
| schestowitz | > read you soon | Feb 18 01:03 |
| schestowitz | I tried hard to find reports, tweets....ANYTHING.... about today's protest. | Feb 18 01:03 |
| schestowitz | But nada, zilch. Media blackout. Also social media silence. | Feb 18 01:03 |
| schestowitz | Hope it was well attended. | Feb 18 01:04 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/susanmcgraw88/status/700123193936363520 | Feb 18 06:46 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@susanmcgraw88: @schestowitz @AmarShekhar26 Remarkable genius. Thankful. | Feb 18 06:46 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/HelwaniNose/status/700187667032629248 | Feb 18 06:48 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@HelwaniNose: is the modern version of marie-antoinette phrase now: "If theyre thirsty, let them drink Glacéau Smartwater!"? https://t.co/sJZAexJqdO | Feb 18 06:48 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Flint Residents May Have Been Drinking PFCs in Addition to Lead https://t.co/QsMEDwNlaJ #flint #water #michigan | Feb 18 06:48 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/HelwaniNose/status/700189700573810688 https://twitter.com/HelwaniNose/status/700190812928417792 | Feb 18 06:49 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@HelwaniNose: @schestowitz have u seen mental midgets @ Rep 'debate' which 1 can be bigger war criminal? if these r leaders then Idiocracy is already here | Feb 18 06:49 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@HelwaniNose: @schestowitz 4 balance i add: seeing Clinton pose w/ Kissinger, later Albright is like watching Satan meet Lord Palpatine: The End of Times | Feb 18 06:49 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Europaeisches-Patentamt-feuert-Gewerkschaftsfuehrung-3072675.html | Feb 18 06:53 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.heise.de | Europäisches Patentamt feuert Gewerkschaftsführung | heise online | Feb 18 06:53 | |
| schestowitz | no coverage about latest protest | Feb 18 06:53 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7048082 | Feb 18 06:56 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The #nsa is LYING.... AGAIN. There was NO crypto used. Famous fact. http://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/paris-attacks-would-not-have-happened-without-use-of-encryption-us-nsa-chief http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/02/nsas-director-says-paris-attacks-would-not-have-happened-without-crypto/ http://www.expatica.com/fr/news/country-news/Paris-attacks-linked-to-encryption-NSA-chief_590254.html | Feb 18 06:56 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.straitstimes.com | Paris attacks would not have happened without use of encrypted communications: US NSA chief, Europe News & Top Stories - The Straits Times [ http://ur1.ca/ojc0f ] | Feb 18 06:56 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> arstechnica.com | NSA’s director says Paris attacks “would not have happened” without crypto | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/ojc0g ] | Feb 18 06:56 | |
| schestowitz | "But if they succeed in frightening enough people, the facts don’t matter." | Feb 18 06:56 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.expatica.com | Paris attacks linked to encryption: NSA chief | French News | Expatica France [ http://ur1.ca/ojc0h ] | Feb 18 06:56 | |
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| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxActionShow/comments/45qzv8/microsoft_continues_to_use_software_patents_to/ | Feb 18 07:34 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | Microsoft Continues to Use Software Patents to Extort/Blackmail Even More Companies That Use Linux, Forcing/Coercing Them Into Preinstalling Microsoft : LinuxActionShow [ http://ur1.ca/oiq50 ] | Feb 18 07:34 | |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:34 |
| schestowitz | I'm not saying the article's author's analysis isn't correct, but his attitude as an anti-Microsoft evangelist comes out really forcefully with terms like "vista 10" and "Microsoft malware". | Feb 18 07:34 |
| schestowitz | I'm not saying he's incorrect, but being an extremist will not win you any points with the uneducated and mostly unopinionated majority - which is who we want to target after all (otherwise it's just preaching to the choir). | Feb 18 07:34 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:34 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmasterrace/comments/45wltz/microsoft_continues_to_use_software_patents_to/ | Feb 18 07:35 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | Microsoft Continues to Use Software Patents to Extort/Blackmail Even More Companies That Use Linux, Forcing/Coercing Them Into Preinstalling Microsoft : linuxmasterrace [ http://ur1.ca/ojc7j ] | Feb 18 07:35 | |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:35 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I'm missing something, but if, say, Acer is selling laptops with preloaded linux, on what grounds does MS sue? Samsung, with its android platform, a vassal of MS? | Feb 18 07:35 |
| schestowitz | I don't doubt MS's nefarious intentions, but how is this possible? | Feb 18 07:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:35 |
| schestowitz | Software patents are often pretty vague and can sometimes deal with pretty generic concepts that are widely implemented (for example, the shopping cart patent). | Feb 18 07:35 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft probably has a selection of such genetic patents that could be applied to GNU/Linux distributions if Microsoft bothered. They aren't going to do so as long as everyone keeps buying computers from OEMs with Microsoft software (even if you take it off later). However, OEMs that stray too far will get brought to heel by patent threats, and since a settlement is cheaper than taking the case to court, Microsoft can patent troll their way | Feb 18 07:35 |
| schestowitz | into controlling OEMs. | Feb 18 07:35 |
| schestowitz | They apparently have several such patents that also apply to Android. | Feb 18 07:35 |
| schestowitz | Chances are a well funded company could fight it out all the way in the courts and get such a patent invalidated... but that would cost more than just settling. | Feb 18 07:35 |
| schestowitz | Incidentally, this is why everyone was freaking out about the United States accepting software patents, and why it's a big deal when the United States tries to expand the reach of US-style intellectual property law overseas through trade deals. | Feb 18 07:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:35 |
| schestowitz | Capitalism is just like communism except it needed a bit more time to become overly corrupt and dictatoric. It will be censored by corporations and people will be kept away from making their own businesses through court and people will use their products through social pressure(to serve as an extra lock on our door). I await the time when microsoft will be so huge that he can blackmail every one of us one by one. Or can he now? | Feb 18 07:35 |
| schestowitz | We have not much time left. There are decreasing number of governments(the last authority to keep them in bay) who can do something aganist it. | Feb 18 07:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:35 |
| schestowitz | "I hate to be the butthurt leftie here, but corrupt countries such as the USSR, China and North Korea are not communist. They're state capitalist." | Feb 18 07:35 |
| schestowitz | "This has nothing to do with the free market. Microsoft is specifically using coercive tactics backed by government regulation to bully people.' | Feb 18 07:36 |
| schestowitz | "So, you don't believe that the government protecting [intellectual] property rights is a legitimate function of a government in a free market economy?" | Feb 18 07:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:36 |
| schestowitz | The problem is that software patents are often incredibly vague, and often the claim that a company has to a software patent is questionable. Companies that take out software patents often look for common algorithms and techniques (ones that they often did not invent) and claim ownership. They then basically just use the patents as legal weapons in courts. | Feb 18 07:36 |
| schestowitz | Every aspect of the US government (and many other world governments) is incredibly corrupt. Anarchism really is the only sane system, a government by the people without rulers. | Feb 18 07:36 |
| schestowitz | ' | Feb 18 07:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:36 |
| schestowitz | I agree, however I also do not support free markets. | Feb 18 07:36 |
| schestowitz | My comment was aimed at people who do support private property, and the enforcement of property rights by governments. These are generally regarded as requirements for free markets. Software patents are a very clear example of an edge case where property rights are just blatantly flawed. | Feb 18 07:36 |
| schestowitz | ' | Feb 18 07:36 |
| schestowitz | Personal attacjs: | Feb 18 07:36 |
| schestowitz | "Please, don't use TechRights as source. lot of circlejerking with no facts." | Feb 18 07:36 |
| schestowitz | No facts that he likes maybe... | Feb 18 07:36 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/45ri55/microsoft_continues_to_use_software_patents_to/ | Feb 18 07:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | Microsoft Continues to Use Software Patents to Extort/Blackmail Even More Companies That Use Linux, Forcing/Coercing Them Into Preinstalling Microsoft : technology [ http://ur1.ca/oiqv4 ] | Feb 18 07:36 | |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:36 |
| schestowitz | Not sure what to think, as the language shows that the writer has a very strong anti-MS sentiment. | Feb 18 07:36 |
| schestowitz | Are there more articles about similar cases written by the others? | Feb 18 07:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:37 |
| schestowitz | "Tell me about it. I tried to give it a good read, but I barely got into it before I decided "well, this guys is being very alarmist and biased. I'm not going to trust anything he says."' | Feb 18 07:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:37 |
| schestowitz | It's kind of obvious Microsoft has been strongarming OEMs for years to not use other operating systems, even if they are Linux-based. I think there was a rumor that Microsoft even asks OEMs to pay for FreeDOS, which is a Linux-version of DOS, and as you can imagine unusable as an operating systems. Some OEMs sell laptops with it in countries where they know Windows is pirated and people wouldn't pay for Windows licenses (that come bundled | Feb 18 07:37 |
| schestowitz | with the laptop) anyway. | Feb 18 07:37 |
| schestowitz | Also, Microsoft has begun a couple of years ago to start asking OEMs for patent royalties even from Chromebook makers. So yeah, I do think they are doing stuff like this to make it that much more likely that OEMs don't have an incentive to switch away from Windows because they'd have to pay the same or almost the same anyway. | Feb 18 07:37 |
| schestowitz | Anti-trust bodies should be looking into this because I think it's very anti-competitive and only serves to maintain Microsoft's PC monopoly, which I think is bad for everyone, including Windows fans, because you never know when Microsoft makes something as intrusive as Windows 10 or worse, and then you're stuck with no real choice, because the growth of the Linux ecosystem was stifled by Microsoft. | Feb 18 07:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:37 |
| schestowitz | "Linux and FreeDOS are two completely different operating systems. They are unrelated in almost every way, except both being open source. " | Feb 18 07:37 |
| schestowitz | "the us gov pulled in M$ i think the 90's for doing shit like this" | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp_v_Commission | Feb 18 07:38 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.wikipedia.org | Microsoft Corp v Commission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/ocs7p ] | Feb 18 07:38 | |
| schestowitz | "Yeah. That was back before the new "Companies Are Exempt from all Rules and Consequences. All Hail The Corporate Overloards"-Act, known as "Citizens" ironically." | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | "I'd find his site more credible if all of his references weren't just links to other articles on his site..." | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | "Edit: I made a poo poo | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | Personal attack again: | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | "Techrights.org is well known to be a neckbeard conspiracy site that considers Microsoft to be the great satan. Nobody takes it seriously except for hardcore Linux fans." | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | "This should be put into the OP/ED section of the news, rather than the info section..." | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | "I love reddit comments on articles like this. Clearly there is no reason to go read the real article in this case." | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, it's amazing at how thought terminating it is. | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | Welp, "it looks biased".. guess we're done. No need to read it or anything. | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | This quote " This isn’t even Microsoft software being put on these devices. Microsoft does not really make software anymore, it just makes malware/spyware"... was when I stopped reading. Such talk shows he is politicking and not speaking like a professional. | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | This is more op/ed and not news, as most of his points are personal and not providing any tangible fact aside from what he linked within the article. | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | I don't know what to think, also I hardly consider Android to be Linux. | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | He's calling Microsoft apps spyware. I don't know if that is reasonable, but I don't expect that it is. | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | I'm less happy with how hard it is to install Linux on most efi devices. | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | "Seriously, when people use the word "Linux" to refer to an operating system, 99% of the time, they mean GNU+Linux." | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | I hardly consider Android to be Linux | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | It runs the Linux kernel and that's what MS is using for their patent shakedowns. | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | MS seems to be really shizophrenic at the moment. You have the Azure lot saying "We <3 Linux" because...well...they have to or go out of business. Meanwhile the lawyers are running around screaming "Exterminate!" | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | I'm less happy with how hard it is to install Linux on most efi devices. | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | That's mostly the fault of OEMs saying "Screw the standards. It runs Windows. Ship it!". If Steam boxes gain traction, expect that to change. | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | "Windows 10 is as much spyware as Facebook or Android, which are targeted ad driven platforms. If you expect your OS not to track you because you paid for it you are definitely going to be at a loss." | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | I honestly don't know. | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | I personally agree that Linux, especially desktop linux, in which most if not all code is open source is certainly more secure. | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | I also don't believe that Microsoft is collecting anywhere near as much data as has been reported, and that for the most part, it is being blown out of proportion. | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | I don't think that the reporter here is being reasonable. He doesn't mention a single app that Microsoft "forced" onto the android default installation. | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | I think he's either full of shit, or he's horrible at reporting. | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | "Yeah this guy is clearly biased. Still, i bet Microsoft executives have nightmares about FOSS becoming mainstream." | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | As if being forced to use a file system from 1995 on Android SD cards (which doesn't support file sizes larger than 4 GB, isn't optimized for flash, and doesn't support permissions) in order for the card to still be read by every OS wasn't bad enough, here comes more bloatware that you won't be allowed to uninstall without rooting or loading up a custom ROM. | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | Thanks Microsoft. | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | EDIT: How's this off-topic? It paints a portrait of the current situation (bloatware on ANdroid and forced FAT32 usage) pretty much spot-on. Thank god there is cyanogenmod. | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | "Nobody's stopping Google from using ext4 if I'm not mistaken" | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | Compatibility is. Windows, for example, can't read/write to ext4 (IIRC there is an application which can give it read-only capabilities). | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | Then there is the small matter of the SD standard imposing the proprietary exFat. | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | "If Google uses ext4 on flash cards, the consumer will wonder why he can't read it when he pulls it out of the mobile device and puts it in the PC." | Feb 18 07:40 |
| schestowitz | "That websites design is horrible." | Feb 18 07:40 |
| schestowitz | "Looks like the guy is trying to slander M$ in the hopes that they pay him to buy his site." | Feb 18 07:40 |
| schestowitz | "Well given the "M$" in your response, are you really that concerned?" | Feb 18 07:40 |
| schestowitz | "It's not because I am not too fond of a company that I can't call out the shills from the other side on their bullshit." | Feb 18 07:40 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:40 |
| schestowitz | I'm just going to comment and assume this is some whiny clickbait article. brb reading. | Feb 18 07:40 |
| schestowitz | Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd I was right. | Feb 18 07:40 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/45p3ml/microsoft_continues_to_use_software_patents_to/ | Feb 18 07:41 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | Microsoft Continues to Use Software Patents to Extort/Blackmail Even More Companies That Use Linux, Forcing/Coercing Them Into Preinstalling Microsoft : linux [ http://ur1.ca/oipft ] | Feb 18 07:41 | |
| schestowitz | "Anyone old enough to remember SCO is not shocked by this." | Feb 18 07:41 |
| schestowitz | "No, not shocked, just a friendly reminder that the "New Microsoft" may not be so new." | Feb 18 07:41 |
| schestowitz | "Isn't it just rezoned reskinned old shit like office? I don't think office has had an innovation in 12 years." | Feb 18 07:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:42 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is generally quite adept at making backoffice, corporate stuff, that's why I also expect Azure to be reasonably successful. Microsoft understands corporate. | Feb 18 07:42 |
| schestowitz | True, there hasn't been much innovation in Office, but it has evolved - and the flip side of that argument is that the competition hasn't innovated either. Of course, that's changing now, but the competition has quite some way to go. Whether that's important or whether a lesser product is "good enough" and has other qualities that make up for it. Personally I use LibreOffice in most cases, it's more pleasant for me to work with generally but | Feb 18 07:42 |
| schestowitz | sometimes I have to use Office to be compatible with colleagues. There are some areas where Office is better, but its overly complex menu structure and illogical access to functionality in general is a total turnoff. | Feb 18 07:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:42 |
| schestowitz | "When Microsoft became the malware I decided to longer support them in any capacity. They suck for most enterprise applications. I'm an MCSE and RHCE, and I do everything I can to avoid Microsoft. Their productsand operating systems are like the clamidia weakening the immune systemand letting more viscous problems in, like the government akin to HIV." | Feb 18 07:42 |
| schestowitz | "Not a win-sysadmin but more of a linux devop myself, so Ms is just slight nuisance that I really don't care much about." | Feb 18 07:42 |
| schestowitz | "Idk Word can now edit PDFs which is neat and newish" | Feb 18 07:43 |
| schestowitz | "but everyone loves bill gates cuz he cured malaria. how can microsoft be bad?" | Feb 18 07:43 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:43 |
| schestowitz | Your comment is malarious." | Feb 18 07:43 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Feb 18 07:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.eyeonwindows.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/microsoft_loves_linux.jpg | Feb 18 07:43 |
| schestowitz | "But... MS said they wuv us. :_(" | Feb 18 07:43 |
| schestowitz | "Does that look like the face of man excited that he's forced to sell linux servers because no one wants microsoft in their cloud? | Feb 18 07:43 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:44 |
| schestowitz | He looks like his demon is hugging him from behind, and he's trying to convince the audience that he's okay, like some abused wife in a tense social situation. | Feb 18 07:44 |
| schestowitz | "Haha, he loves me really, it's just his way..." | Feb 18 07:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:44 |
| schestowitz | "like a rapist loves their victims." | Feb 18 07:44 |
| schestowitz | "They love it because they can extort people with it." | Feb 18 07:44 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish | Feb 18 07:44 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.wikipedia.org | Embrace, extend and extinguish - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/n2o73 ] | Feb 18 07:44 | |
| schestowitz | "This. It makes me worried about Linux a little bit." | Feb 18 07:44 |
| schestowitz | "Old enough? SCO was just a couple of years ago. Kids these days." | Feb 18 07:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:44 |
| schestowitz | Couple of years? | Feb 18 07:44 |
| schestowitz | Try closer to 13... | Feb 18 07:44 |
| schestowitz | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_SCO/Linux_controversies | Feb 18 07:44 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.m.wikipedia.org | Timeline of SCO/Linux controversies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/ojc97 ] | Feb 18 07:44 | |
| schestowitz | Crazy how long it's been going eh? | Feb 18 07:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:44 |
| schestowitz | But but 2003 was like a couple years ago... | Feb 18 07:44 |
| schestowitz | Oh no, am I old now? | Feb 18 07:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:45 |
| schestowitz | "Yes, welcome to the club. You will receieve your walking cane in the mail shortly." | Feb 18 07:45 |
| schestowitz | "It didn't really get resolved until recently. So it's been about as long as the US has been the middle east." | Feb 18 07:45 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft was around in the 1950's?" | Feb 18 07:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:45 |
| schestowitz | There's a lot of people on this site who were in their diapers when that shit was going down. I say it for their benefit. | Feb 18 07:45 |
| schestowitz | That shit started over 13 to 14 years ago | Feb 18 07:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:45 |
| schestowitz | "I still don't get what Microsoft has to do with ASUSTek. They are not even in the same platform or industry (OS Software vs Hardware components). Trying to pass a judgement on what ASUSTek can and cannot sell is nothing but trolling on part of Microsoft." | Feb 18 07:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:46 |
| schestowitz | If the bully's product (the OS) is a crucial part of your products (laptops, PCs), it may make you want to listen to what the bully has to say. It's a classic dilemma: You want to break free of the stranglehold, in order to do that you need to implement your new strategy while at the same time continue with your old strategy. | Feb 18 07:46 |
| schestowitz | The bully has this stranglehold on your old strategy and will use that to stop you from implementing new strategies. | Feb 18 07:46 |
| schestowitz | Samsung is doing it because they have the weight and product diversity to face them off, Asus is much more of a one-horse company and therefore more vulnerable. | Feb 18 07:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:46 |
| schestowitz | It's a classic dilemma: You want to break free of the stranglehold | Feb 18 07:46 |
| schestowitz | But why don't they absolutely decline and say NO to Windows and sell only Linux or zero-OS laptops? Most people buying ASUS are power-users anyway, they shouldn't mind formatting and doing a clean install of their OS of choice. | Feb 18 07:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:46 |
| schestowitz | "Risk. It would be huge risk to just stop using system that has gotten you this far and just start from scratch. Shareholders and such would probably have a heart attack if Asus would announce such plan and suddenly the stock would plummet." | Feb 18 07:46 |
| schestowitz | "If they all had heart attacks, there would be nobody left to sell the stocks..." | Feb 18 07:46 |
| schestowitz | "Not sure if this situation is accounted for within that system. Maybe they would default by itself or be inhereted so the kids could sell them or such. | Feb 18 07:46 |
| schestowitz | "a successful implementation of a recursive algorithm for bringing ultra-capitalism down" | Feb 18 07:46 |
| schestowitz | "You are now a moderator of /r/Pyongyang" | Feb 18 07:46 |
| schestowitz | "Capitalism is increasingly showing its less attractive side. The stock market is controlled by hedge fund managers that reward absolutely cut throat tactics. For example, Walmart gave their work force a small pay raise and was punished by losing tens of billions in stock value. Leading to closing a lot of stores...and ending thousands of jobs. Conversely, these same hedge fund managers are heaping gigantic financial rewards to companies that | Feb 18 07:47 |
| schestowitz | gleefully participate in our governments Orwellian push to see and record absolutely everything. The 2015 "bull market" was caused by the stock activity of the biggest participators.....Google, Microsoft, Facebook, and Apple. Leaving one to wonder about the participation levels of the other stock market leaders.....Amazon and Netflix. Though I can hardly bring myself to believe that Amazon is ethically gutless enough to voluntarily become an | Feb 18 07:47 |
| schestowitz | arm of our dystopian government." | Feb 18 07:47 |
| schestowitz | "The fact that Amazon is still in business at all is proof that they are an arm of our dystopian government. Maybe not voluntarily, but that doesn't really matter." | Feb 18 07:47 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:47 |
| schestowitz | Capitalism is increasingly showing its less attractive side. | Feb 18 07:47 |
| schestowitz | that ship kind of sailed even before home computers were a thing lol | Feb 18 07:47 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:47 |
| schestowitz | "lol" | Feb 18 07:47 |
| schestowitz | "I like your sense of humor." | Feb 18 07:47 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:48 |
| schestowitz | Most people buying ASUS are power-users anyway, | Feb 18 07:48 |
| schestowitz | I HIGHLY doubt this to be true. | Feb 18 07:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:48 |
| schestowitz | This is both true and false, in my opinion. | Feb 18 07:48 |
| schestowitz | ASUS as an OEM of desktops and some laptops are not for power users (The VivoPC series). Though they do make some higher end pre-built products (ex. Republic of Gamers series mid to low higher tier and Gamer Series - mid higher tier), most of the power user spectrum things are the hardware from ASUS that you would use while building a PC. | Feb 18 07:48 |
| schestowitz | They make good motherboards and honestly, they are usually the first ones I look at anymore but if I'm recommending a prebuilt PC to someone they are usually not on my Radar at all, even if they want to throw money at performance. It is also my opinion that their high end routers (ex. ASUS RT-AC5300 for around $400) are mostly marketing and too high of a price point but some people swear by them, so I could be wrong about that part. | Feb 18 07:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:48 |
| schestowitz | "They also make pretty decent GPUs from my experience so far. A high-end GPU is pretty much limited to the enthusiast market by virtue of its price." | Feb 18 07:48 |
| schestowitz | "Yeah that's what I was talking about with components. ASUS is a great brand for that but I don't consider them particularly part of the enthusiast market as an OEM for pre built or tablets for that matter. Those aren't really for power users in my opinion." | Feb 18 07:48 |
| schestowitz | "You haven't walked around a tech-oriented campus, have you? It certainly isn't a majority, but a plurality for sure. | Feb 18 07:48 |
| schestowitz | "A majority of power users buying Asus is different from a majority of Asus customers being power users." | Feb 18 07:48 |
| schestowitz | "This is the better way to describe it, thank you." | Feb 18 07:49 |
| schestowitz | http://i.imgur.com/AkQaXMw.png | Feb 18 07:49 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:49 |
| schestowitz | I've walked around a non-tech-oriented campus and there are plenty of ASUS laptops there with plenty of non-power-users using them. | Feb 18 07:49 |
| schestowitz | I work at an IT helpdesk on said campus, and we get plenty of not-so-tech-savvy people come in with their ASUS. More so than the elusive tech-savvy ASUS people. | Feb 18 07:49 |
| schestowitz | I don't really know if ASUS is even targeting the power user market when this is on Walmart's home page right now. | Feb 18 07:49 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:49 |
| schestowitz | "Typically the tech-savvy people are not going to bother IT as they want to take all the steps they can to fix their problem. I would know as I have sat on both sides of the help desk. The only time I ever asked for help at my school was getting my MAC address entered correctly so I could get internet access." | Feb 18 07:49 |
| schestowitz | "Ew you're school required MAC address to use the net. Is this common practice?" | Feb 18 07:49 |
| schestowitz | "Mine did, the network basically firewalled unknown MACs. It was an easier system compared to forcing everyone to use RADIUS (which was not supported by every device students would use). | Feb 18 07:50 |
| schestowitz | "I don't know about other campuses, but it was to help enforce keeping high school students off who had Ds, Fs, or Incompletes in their quarterly grades." | Feb 18 07:50 |
| schestowitz | "Not lately. I graduated in 2015." | Feb 18 07:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:50 |
| schestowitz | More so than the elusive tech-savvy ASUS people. | Feb 18 07:50 |
| schestowitz | I'd call that a bias. haha. I didn't say I agreed with "most". I do agree that a larger portion of your Asus users are going to be a little higher on the techy list. | Feb 18 07:50 |
| schestowitz | ' | Feb 18 07:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:50 |
| schestowitz | A majority of all computer users on a 'tech-oriented campus' (whatever that is) are going to be power users regardless of laptop choice. | Feb 18 07:50 |
| schestowitz | a larger portion of your Asus users are going to be a little higher on the techy list | Feb 18 07:50 |
| schestowitz | Can you explain why you believe this? | Feb 18 07:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:50 |
| schestowitz | "How Asus does a majority of their marketing and where their largest profits tend to land. That is typically in motherboard and graphics sales last I saw, not laptops. Laptops are important, but it seems a lot of their advertisements are for components, not systems." | Feb 18 07:50 |
| schestowitz | "Really? Because the last time I checked ASUS shipped a substantially higher number of mobile units than PC units in 2015. The crossover point was between 2015 Q1 and 2015 Q2. I mean, just looking at the investor presentation paints a clear picture that ASUS' focus on gaming (and PC components) is dwarfed by their other areas of interest, especially mobile. " | Feb 18 07:50 |
| schestowitz | "I stand corrected." | Feb 18 07:51 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:51 |
| schestowitz | Without insights into the profile of their average customer, it's hard to say if this is a smart business move or not. It's very possible Asus laptops are bought by a non-trivial amount of the technologically inept. Asus laptops are styled well and are alluring. | Feb 18 07:51 |
| schestowitz | I would love to see any laptop manufacturer at the very least diversify their range and offer Linux laptops with an optional Windows upgrade should they find they are not getting on well with Linux. | Feb 18 07:51 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:51 |
| schestowitz | "A lot of them do. My Dell Inspiron came with Ubuntu 12.04 (and also an Ubuntu sticker!). If you go to Ebay/Amazon and filter on "Linux", "FreeDOS" and "No OS", you can see quite a good number of laptops! From what I've observed, Samsung and ASUS have the most laptops in this Non-Windows category, while Dell and Lenovo are just starting to offer them on few models. HP and Toshiba, for some reason, seem to want to stick with Microsoft.' | Feb 18 07:51 |
| schestowitz | "I've got the Dell Vostro 3560 with Ubuntu on it. Sticker as well." | Feb 18 07:51 |
| schestowitz | "HP are the only one on ebuyer that have a Linux laptop." | Feb 18 07:51 |
| schestowitz | "Windows is an "upgrade"? Couldn't pay me to put win 10 spyware on my lappy." | Feb 18 07:51 |
| schestowitz | "It's an upgrade to anybody who decides they want it over their Linux OS" | Feb 18 07:51 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:51 |
| schestowitz | No. That's an option. | Feb 18 07:51 |
| schestowitz | An upgrade is always is always objectively better than what is current or default. | Feb 18 07:51 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:51 |
| schestowitz | "Not necessarily. Vista was billed as an "upgrade" to XP, after all, as was Windows 8 to Windows 7 (and Vista and XP)." | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | Vista was billed as an "upgrade" | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | That's called marketing. | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | Although i would argue that, technically, Vista is superior to XP. Just not and upgrade. I can elaborate on the reasons why, if there's interest. | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | I can elaborate on the reasons why, if there's interest. | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | I'd love to hear them, considering that - in my experience and observation - Vista was objectively worse in pretty much every category (much like how Windows 98 was pretty awful compared to both 95 and 98SE). | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | Vista was, partially, the result of the the first iteration of refactoring and detangling of the huge and messy bowl of spaghetti code that was Windows. | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | The development cycle of Vista is closely tied with the development cycle of another canceled Microsoft project, called Windows Longhorn. This was supposed to be the Next version of Windows following XP. It was supposed to introduce a number of features that have since been discontinued or are MIA (e.g. WinFS, a sort of relational database like filesystem (actually it was more of an SQL deamon that abstracted away the file system, but let's | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | call it a filesystem, but whatever)) or have just recently been introduced (e.g. Virtual Desktops). | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | However, during development, it eventually became apparent that the Windows XP code base had grown too large and unruly to work with. There was no clear separation between the various subsystems that make up Windows, and changes to the code base often introduced instability and bugs in totally unrelated subsystems. Additionally, hacks and poor design decisions riddle the code base. Precious gems like, among many others, the mouse cursor and | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | pointer logic, as well as parts of the GDI subsystem (that's the bit that draws windows and menus) being moved into kernel space to improve performance on 486 class machines. | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | This inability to further develop on top of the XP code base kept pushing the release dates ever forward, and eventually Windows Longhorn got canceled (some even say by Big Bill himself). | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | Longhorn is Dead, Long Live Longhorn. Essentially, the in order to mitigate the failure that was the original Longhorn development cycle, and prevent this from ever happening again, the following steps where taken: | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | 1. Start over from scratch on top of the superior code base of Server 2003; | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | 2. Refactor the whole system in order to decouple every subsystem from one another; | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | 3. Only after this refactoring process was completed, where features to be added. | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | This process of refactoring the code base resulted in an OS with a significantly larger install size and memory usage than XP. This is due to the fact that there was a need to packages multiple versions of many libraries and subsystems, because all of them implement features in a slightly different manner and exposed different bugs and features that where relied upon by the various subsystems. As a new Windows Release was already Years behind | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | schedule, there was little to no time to perform additional iterations of the refactoring process and further optimize the code base. That process would have to wait until the development cycle of Windows 7. | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | And this is why people in the know often call Windows 7 Vista SP4. | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | Also, following the release of Windows 7, and building upon this extensive code base refactoring effort, an internal team within MS would, as a technical exercise, developed a tiny version of Windows called MinWin. Video. | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | (Semi)related: ReactOS version 0.4 is under development and is looking really interesting. Check out the SVN Builds. | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | TLDR: Windows Vista detangled the spaghetti! | Feb 18 07:52 |
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| schestowitz | Damn, this is a very interesting and impressive read. Thank you so much for posting! | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | Would give gold if I wasn't so poor | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | "Thank you :)" | Feb 18 07:53 |
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| schestowitz | I suppose, if "upgrade" = must pay more. | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, it would be nice if more laptops came with Linux compatible hardware. | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | "I agree it would be nice if more hardware manufacturers supported Linux, instead of jumping through hoops to make stuff work with Windows Only." | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | For that to happen, we need our governments to actually enforce anti-competition anti-monopoly laws again. | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | They are in place for a damn good reason. | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | "10 is no more spyware than XP through 8.1 already was..." | Feb 18 07:53 |
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| schestowitz | Where you getting your information from? | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | Now they are also pushing "updates" to 7 and 8x that do the same shady shit. Thankfully, it is a lot easier (or at all possible) to stop Microsoft spyware attempts on the older Windows versions. Security minded people have made lists of the KB updates for removal (and a lot more) to get this crap off your Win 7 or 8x system. | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | On 10, Enterprise version, there are instructions for all the hoops businesses need to jump through to ensure security (the jury is still out on this). This shit is absurd as it is, but... | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | There is NO WAY to disable all the spyware for consumer versions of Windows 10 | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | So yes, in Win10, the spyware aspect has been taken to a whole new level. | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | Micosoft is trying to pull an amazing amount of bullshit now. It is astounding to me that our governments are allowing this level of blatant disregard for the safety and security of the citizens they are supposedly in charge of protecting. | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft fully deserves to be slapped down hard for this crap. | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | "I'd love to see a complete ban of Windows 10 in my country! Would make things so much easier." | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | It should be banned in EVERY country, until they comply with basic security and safety standards. | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | Many organizations (government or otherwise) have wisely gone the Open Source route. It really should be required for any company entrusted with such private, sensitive information. | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | Sadly, this is directly against the wishes of the Big Money that our governments work for. :( | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | "What specific things are you talking about? Many of them have been studied and shown that it's not what people think. For example, the key logger.? That's Cortana passing the data on to the server doing the searching." | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | Err.. again, where are you getting your information? | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | The security community is up in arms about this crap Microsoft is trying to pull. It has been since the first beta releases. | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | We don't know at all what most of the information they are sending contains. We do know that a lot of it is tied to a unique identifier. This is a Bad Thing. | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | So yes, people do think this is a blatant and unscrupulous invasion of privacy. People that know. I'm not just talking about redditors dude, I mean real security professionals. | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | Please, don't listen to the M$ propaganda from shills that are all over any thread here that mentions Windows or Microsoft. They are obvious, abundant, and annoying as hell. | Feb 18 07:54 |
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| schestowitz | http://lifehacker.com/what-windows-10s-privacy-nightmare-settings-actually-1722267229 | Feb 18 07:54 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-lifehacker.com | What Windows 10's "Privacy Nightmare" Settings Actually Do | Feb 18 07:54 | |
| schestowitz | A lot of the issues were reported from the Insider's program, meaning that a shit ton of the information is only true for the Insider Program. Like I said, for data gathering, it makes sense for the app that's stating that it does it. Key logger? There was a huge one left in Insider that isn't in the release. This was to get feedback and information from people who explicitly knew and accepted it was there. In the release, the only "key | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | logger" is in Cortana, and it's the same "key logger" used by any search engine or website with a search function out there. Apps accessing user data? Outside of the obvious ones, this mainly applied to OneDrive. This is the same thing that happens with Google Drive, Dropbox, iCloud, etc. | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | Any other failure to comprehend the terms of service and privacy policy for Windows 10? | Feb 18 07:54 |
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| schestowitz | Those security issues, I assume you mean the blatant spyware type behavior, is still present in the commercial release of Win10. | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | One little example being fixed does not mean this enormous problem is gone. | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | ALL of it needs to be completely opt-in. Instead, we have to jump through hoops to turn everything off, and in consumer versions of Win10, that is not even possible without hacking. | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | Even in enterprise editions of Win10, we have no real evidence that the steps M$ provides actually turn off all the spyware they have bundled with it. | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | Terms of service do not trump constitutional rights. Go spread that propaganda somewhere else. | Feb 18 07:54 |
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| schestowitz | So far, the only concrete thing you've mentioned is making it opt-in instead of opt-out. Love it or hate it, this isn't exclusive to Windows. OSX has it, Ubuntu had it, many program installers (sure, still limited to Windows) have this. | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | What EXPLICIT issues are you wanting to discuss, or is this a "hurt durr FLOSS rules, closed source sucks" scenario? | Feb 18 07:54 |
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| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | Err.. again, where are you getting your information? | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | Please, don't listen to the M$ propaganda from shills that are all over any thread here that mentions Windows or Microsoft. They are obvious, abundant, and annoying as hell. | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | Funny considering he's offering specifics and all you have is vague assertions and ad hominem. | Feb 18 07:54 |
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| schestowitz | Seriously though, there is zero excuse for the security & safety abuses Microsoft is pushing on the basic consumer with Win10 (and now even 7 & 8x). | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | The only ad hominem here is yours. | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | "I know and have seen many casual Asus laptop users with windows so what you said conflicts heavily with my experience. It seems to me that most people who buy laptops are not power users." | Feb 18 07:55 |
| schestowitz | "I think that could differ from country to country. Here in India, Dell is quite high on marketing and have their service centers all across the nation (its a different matter that their service sucks, though). ASUS, on the other hand, is quite low on marketing and hardly have any service centers here. However, a quick research tells you that their QA/defect-ratio is much better than Dell, and so is their cooling system. As a result, the | Feb 18 07:55 |
| schestowitz | people who end-up buying ASUS here are those who do a proper research and try not to depend on service centers and buy a reliable laptop instead. In other words, power users or geeks." | Feb 18 07:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | But why don't they | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | There is no mystery. Developing a new market takes time, during that time, powerful actors in the old market do have substantial leverage. | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | This is par for the course in all business relations, an exclusive supplier is obstructing its customers' efforts to break free. The only reason why this is relevant is the PR campaign to paint the picture of a "new and better Microsoft", they haven't really proven that they've changed, that's all. | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | What I mean is "Let's dispel with this fiction that Microsoft is now a friend of open source" | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | They're in it for the business, which is totally okay, we should just be clear that they're still following the tactics of embrace and extend. | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | and sell only Linux or zero-OS laptops? | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | If they'd want to sell Linux-only laptops they'd first have to make sure to only use components that work on Linux. I mean, I did knew what I was going into when buying my ROG and there's workarounds for things that don't work as they should (the only exception that doesn't work being bluetooth). | Feb 18 07:56 |
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| schestowitz | They have models without Optimus, which is pretty much the only thing not supported as far as I know. | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | I bought a ROG laptop especially to escape Optimus and there's no hardware unsupported in this beast, aside from the built-in memory card reader that first got support with the 3.9 kernel or so the Linux experience has been far better than the Windows experience. | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | As an aside, their custom keys could not be rebound, the subwoofer output could not be adjusted independently (it turns messy on high levels), USB controller would shut down randomly and not be reactivated. Even after multiple driver revisions on Windows. | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | Bluetooth is a good point, but that is notoriously awful on Linux in general, every other PulseAudio update seems to break sound output. Is yours a driver or userland issue? | Feb 18 07:56 |
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| schestowitz | My model doesn't have optimus, but laptop's multimedia keys delay booting for ~20-something seconds unless you pass the correct parameter on boot. As a result, half of fn+[F1-12] combos don't work. | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | Then there's the sound card, which has to be the most fucky realtek card. It has three sockets — headphone, mic and line out. Only the last two work, and the first one doesn't even work on Windows if I reboot (as in reboot, not shutdown and power on) linux with no music playing. | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | Interestingly enough, I've used to have some issues with USB hotplugging no longer working after some time on Linux, though I don't recall which of my laptops exhibited that. | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | As for bluetooth, it's a driver issue (I guess). lspci doesn't even find it. | Feb 18 07:56 |
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| schestowitz | Well shit. What model is it? Mine's a G55WV from 2012. Can confirm is sound card is kinda shit but at least it works sans the horrible digital noise on the internal mic. | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | If yours is newer that has me very sceptical towards buying a RoG next time around, doesn't help that their newer versions are ridiculous designs straight out of a 16yo PC modder's wet dream. I love the uniform stealth look with plain old white backlighting. | Feb 18 07:56 |
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| schestowitz | G751JL. | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | I'm still rather satisfied with it, though. If you need a laptop that can do some gaming on the side, Asus really seems to be the only decent option if your budget is under €1300 (at least that was the case about 6 months ago in my country). You can get around long boot issue. You can get around the headphone jack not working (by using line-out, which always works). I'd only be mad about these issues if Asus was like "gee, look we have a | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | linux laptop". | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | I'm way more mad about Nvidia's proprietary driver that just loves to crap left and right (at least if you're using KDE). If I plug or unplug external monitor, there's 75% chance kwin will crash. (And about 50% chance VTs will only display on the external monitor even though it's been unplugged. GG nVidia). | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | Speaking of the sound card — that's an issue not exclusive to Asus. I've had a friend that had the same issue on a Dell laptop. | Feb 18 07:57 |
| schestowitz | Design: It could really be better — my #1 complaint would be the CD tray: it pops open the moment I look at it the wrong way. Print screen could be on a place that's slightly more difficult to reach and it's a bit tricky to carry it around since it's big. On the flipside, at least the thing doesn't overheat and runs pretty silent when not playing games. My previous laptop would scream on idle, run hot when browsing the web and when playing | Feb 18 07:57 |
| schestowitz | games, you could easily grill stuff on that thing. | Feb 18 07:57 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:57 |
| schestowitz | "Is the BT module actually a hybrid WiFi and BT from Broadcom?" | Feb 18 07:57 |
| schestowitz | "No, wireless module is from Intel.' | Feb 18 07:57 |
| schestowitz | "And the BT module?" | Feb 18 07:57 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:57 |
| schestowitz | If I recall correctly it's that one Broadcom module that doesn't have a linux driver. | Feb 18 07:57 |
| schestowitz | BRB booting Windows. | Feb 18 07:57 |
| schestowitz | EDIT: Also intel, according to the device manager. | Feb 18 07:57 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:57 |
| schestowitz | "Weird because it seems that at least on the newer kernels it is supported." | Feb 18 07:57 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:57 |
| schestowitz | Because it's stupid and you lose 90% of your market share over night? And because while an OEM license that costs you as a manufacturer maybe $10 per PC will cost your consumers $100? | Feb 18 07:57 |
| schestowitz | Or because most people don't want to go through the hassle of spending a day setting up a computer (especially when you factor in finding/installing drivers)? | Feb 18 07:57 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:57 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:57 |
| schestowitz | Or because most people don't want to go through the hassle of spending a day setting up a computer (especially when you factor in finding/installing drivers)? | Feb 18 07:57 |
| schestowitz | People should learn to do that, and get rid of the garbage that manufacturers install. | Feb 18 07:57 |
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| schestowitz | People should learn to do a lot of things. Doesn't mean they will or it's a priority for them. I'm a sysadmin, I eat sleep breathe computers. Cars however, I'm very basic. I can change out my oil, pump my gas, replace the air filter, and top off other fluids. | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | Ask me to bleed my brakes, replace transmission fluid, swap out spark plugs, and anything else that isn't just plug and play, I'm lost. Why? Because I have more important things to worry about. | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | Right now I'm working through an ISP outage at work and getting my Exchange servers to sync up their DAGs with our DR site. Me knowing how to do that and researching that take priority over my car since it's attached to my lively hood. I can pay someone for the car stuff. | Feb 18 07:58 |
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| schestowitz | [–]LtWorf_ 5 points 3 days ago | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | Yeah but if my car is broken i go to a mechanic, I don't ask a friend to fix it for free for me. | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | Also. Don't worry now cars will have so many proprietary embedded ICUs that it will be impossible to fix them by yourself. | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | "Modern cars are like proprietary software: you can't see inside." | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | "Ahh.. I wish world was this simple.' | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | Because when your average person walks into best buy and wants to buy a laptop for school for example, they are going to want either a Mac or Windows. Throw them Linux and it's something they have to figure out and there is no end user support. Mac has the Apple store, Windows has pretty much all the major computer retailers and the companies to back them. | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | To throw an accounting major into Linux world would be a shock for them and will make them hate Linux. Then there is also the idea that all of the software that you are used to now needs to be replaced with an alternate or there needs to be another software layer like WINE thrown on top of it. | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | As for ASUS are power users. Maybe in the desktop building world. But in the laptop at a Best Buy, it's no different than an HP or Samsung. They are buying it for the looks, speed, and cost. What speed the CPU runs at or which generation it is the average person doesn't care. | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | I know because I sold these computers at best buy for 4 years. | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | "It's exactly the same in the phone world. I sell phones." | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | Most people buying ASUS are power-users anyway | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | Really? I suspect most people buying ASUS are average Asians buying a pretty laptop from their local brick and mortar store. | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | "Asus has plenty of non-power user customers. This would definitely hurt them. | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | "The same thing applies to states of all kinds." | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | "Yes. Microsoft is not specifically worse than many other companies. They have a lot of leverage which gives them more opportunity to do bad things and they have a market that is not particularly aware of or interested in bad business practices. Google, for example, has a lot more to lose by being seen as "doing evil", and I think they generally are more cautious of being caught doing that. | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | 'BS | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | "MS has Nokia + Surface, which puts them in direct competition in the smartphone + tablet hardware markets." | Feb 18 07:59 |
| schestowitz | "Follow the money." | Feb 18 07:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:59 |
| schestowitz | So, what patents are they using to "strong arm" these companies? If they're running Android/Linux on their own hardware, then what is MS even trying to sue them for? | Feb 18 07:59 |
| schestowitz | I understand that the article is a bit BS, but if there's any truth to any of it, then I'd expect there to be an answer to my question somewhere. | Feb 18 07:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:59 |
| schestowitz | So, what patents are they using to "strong arm" these companies? | Feb 18 07:59 |
| schestowitz | That's a very good question, there may not be any. We will probably never know, (Asus might not know either) until someone decides to go to court and stay there to a final verdict, no settlement. | Feb 18 07:59 |
| schestowitz | That's a classic. There's a beautiful story about IBM and Sun. It goes something like this: IBM went to Sun with a totally bogus claim. When they were called out, they were not the least fazed, the IBM lawyers' response was that Sun could either pay up now or they would go home and go through their portfolio until they found something and that would guaranteed be more costly | Feb 18 07:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:59 |
| schestowitz | "The article title and the post title mention using patents to strong-arm hardware/system sellers. In the article, however, no mention of patents exists." | Feb 18 07:59 |
| schestowitz | "OP got his karma. What do you expect? An argument? Sources? He's started a circlejerk. His work is done" | Feb 18 07:59 |
| schestowitz | "Yeah, sadly this is how most of reddit works. Read the headline, maybe peruse the article, but don't actually verify that the article is correct. Just upvote to agree." | Feb 18 07:59 |
| schestowitz | "To his credit. Pretty big circlejerk... | Feb 18 07:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:59 |
| schestowitz | "Is there any pro-linux news source left that doesn't write crap like "Microsoft does not really make software anymore, it just makes malware/spyware like Vista 10"? I get it, they have their agenda and they want to emphasise some issues. But there's a line where those cheap shots get to the level of Slashdot / M$. | Feb 18 08:00 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:00 |
| schestowitz | I've always had a hard time regarding Techrights as a "news source." It's a lot of crap writing, hyperbole, and statements meant to incite. | Feb 18 08:00 |
| schestowitz | It, however, is the same thing that plagues FOSS. Talking about why the other guy sucks, and not why FOSS is better. It's the thing that has driven me crazy about the FOSS community for...well, the last 20 years since I was introduced to it. | Feb 18 08:00 |
| schestowitz | The fact is Microsoft is going to do what companies do. They will keep trying to strong-arm to make sure profits go up. They are no different than any other company in this regard. They have just been more successful (Microsoft and Walmart are probably the two companies who have been most successful at this). | Feb 18 08:00 |
| schestowitz | The idea that a company should be expected to play nicely and help their competitors get ahead is ridiculous. The best one can hope for is for them to place fairly. Well, Microsoft is in a position where they don't have to play fairly to keep raking in the cash. | Feb 18 08:00 |
| schestowitz | The community's time could be spent far better trying to make Linux a viable desktop alternative. I love Linux and I love FOSS and use it everywhere I can but the facts are the facts: Linux is no where in terms of desktop, especially at the enterprise level. It's gotten much better for home use, but there are so many programs that only run on Windows. | Feb 18 08:00 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, our energy could be must better spent instead of the latest "OMG MS EVIL!" They're a company. People should get over it. | Feb 18 08:00 |
| schestowitz | By the way, not defending MS. Just stating how it is. I'm actually pretty anti-corporation. And I really don't like MS which is why I don't give them money or use their products at home. | Feb 18 08:01 |
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| schestowitz | The fact is Microsoft is going to do what companies do. | Feb 18 08:01 |
| schestowitz | You can make money by being a hit man. The fact that "it's just business" to the hit man does not negate the fact that he kills people. Not every means for making money is excusable simply because that's "what companies do." Even if the hit man finds a legal loophole, we consumers should do what we can to make up for such deficiencies in the system. | Feb 18 08:01 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:01 |
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| schestowitz | Equating MS to killing people is a but of a far reach. My point was that companies almost always try to beat down their competitors. And mega corporations definitely do. I didn't defend MS tactics. In fact, I even pointed out I'm anti-corporate. | Feb 18 08:01 |
| schestowitz | All I was saying is that it's not surprising and articles like this are not real journalism. It's not even news. | Feb 18 08:01 |
| schestowitz | News Flash: Company doesn't want competition! | Feb 18 08:01 |
| schestowitz | Wouldn't be much of a news flash. | Feb 18 08:01 |
| schestowitz | As for we competitors, well, we have collectively allowed MS to become this powerful. And now, Pandora's Box is open. We can sit here and criticize them for the same tactics every company does (remember, I'm anti corporate ) or we can actually try to fix it. | Feb 18 08:01 |
| schestowitz | Or, we can just ignore them and give the best product we can and not worry about trying to take over MS. That's my pick. | Feb 18 08:01 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:01 |
| schestowitz | "He's not equating Microsoft with a hit man. He's illustrating the flaw in excusing evil behavior in situations where it supposedly comes natural. And yes, you are excusing Microsoft even though you condemn their behavior. It's the same line of thinking behind saying something like "boys will be boys," only you're saying "business will be business."" | Feb 18 08:01 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:01 |
| schestowitz | I realize he's not equating it. Despite another poster's accusation, I'm not an idiot. I just don't like those kind of comparisons. | Feb 18 08:01 |
| schestowitz | No, I'm not defending them. I did defend for a short time but I also admit I was incorrect and they really are still as stupid as ever. | Feb 18 08:01 |
| schestowitz | What I really wish is when people would read entire posts instead of grabbing one thing that was said. | Feb 18 08:01 |
| schestowitz | The way corporations act are facts. They are allowed to act that way. It does not make it right, but it's fact. Until people collectively stop buying products, it won't change. The most we can do is try not to support them. That's where I'm at. I actively avoid buying things from corporations when I can. | Feb 18 08:01 |
| schestowitz | Now, my arguement has NOT been "MS is fine." My arguement is they are a company and expecting them to act like a non-profit or some benevolent organization is naive. The reasons standards came into play was because no company would actually work together. Standards helped but no one should expect warm fuzziness from a corporation. Corporations are not good, kind entities. | Feb 18 08:01 |
| schestowitz | They will continue to act like every other mega corporation. My arguement also stated that articles like this do nothing. And, as I said elsewhere, just make us look negative. The same issue I saw 20 years ago. It's not about why Linux/FOSS is good. It's just all "MS EVIL." It gets old really quick and has the potential to make us all look stupid (same way people don't want to hear a street preacher trying to convert people by spewing | Feb 18 08:01 |
| schestowitz | negativity). | Feb 18 08:01 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:02 |
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| schestowitz | Equating MS to killing people is a but of a far reach. | Feb 18 08:02 |
| schestowitz | Actually that's not a bad comparison. Anyone whose been around a while has heard about the Halloween Documents, earlier techies probably remember the whole 'Windows 95 ain't done until Lotus won't run!" chant and just looking at the long history of legal cases where the company was destroyed and its only asset left was a lawsuit that the now moribund company won in court for wrong-doing by Microsoft misusing their monopoly as a weapon to | Feb 18 08:02 |
| schestowitz | destroy competition, even supposed partners and allies. | Feb 18 08:02 |
| schestowitz | There's a long long history of this. Yeah, I can see Microsoft as a corporate hitman. It fits many of the facts. | Feb 18 08:02 |
| schestowitz | Caldera, Wordperfect, Corel, IBM, Spyglass, Apple, Palm, Be, Stac Electronics, Go, etc etc...all companies that were heavily wounded or destroyed by Microsoft's anti-competitive and monopolistic behavior. | Feb 18 08:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:02 |
| schestowitz | "Still not the same as taking a human life." | Feb 18 08:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:02 |
| schestowitz | Still not the same as taking a human life. | Feb 18 08:02 |
| schestowitz | Didn't you know? Corporations are people, my friend. /s | Feb 18 08:02 |
| schestowitz | And sarcasm aside, those were companies that employed many people until they were stabbed in the back by Microsoft. Would you accept that sort of behavior from any other company? | Feb 18 08:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:02 |
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| schestowitz | I don't accept that from any company. It's why I don't give money to MS. I also don't give money to Walmart, Nestle, or Menards. | Feb 18 08:02 |
| schestowitz | And while they do some crappy things, non are the same as killing a person (Nestle comes the closest). | Feb 18 08:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:02 |
| schestowitz | All I was saying is that it's not surprising | Feb 18 08:02 |
| schestowitz | No, it's aggravating and that's what people are expressing. No one is acting surprised. Stop with the Straw man shit. It's no better than the fake journalism you're whining about. | Feb 18 08:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:02 |
| schestowitz | Okay. I wouldn't really call it strawman since I'm not representing or misrepresenting anything. I stated a fact. Corporatism != killing (okay, sometimes it does when actual killing is involved). | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | You don't agree with me, fine. But going down to insulting me because you don't like it is ridiculous. | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | What I find kind of funny about this whole thing though is I DON'T AGREE WITH MICROSOFT OR CORPORATIONS IN GENERAL. I never defended it to the degree of "It's totally cool when companies try to screw everyone." But, it doesn't seem to matter because there are a few here that seem to think I do. | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, you and I disagree. That's totally cool. I'm fine with that. It's what keeps discussions alive. But, for the love of everything holy, if what I am doing is considered "straw man" (by the way, what is it about the internet expecting everyone to be a philosophy major...at least I think logic falls under philosophy?), then so are you. Because you, along with others, have nitpicked my post to find what you don't like instead of seeing | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | everything I wrote. | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | I think I may be done with this post, though. I have no problem with people not agreeing with me, but the fact that my points are completely ignored is tiring because after reading a couple replies, I feel like if I had been pro-MS and pro-corporate, I would take all this much easier as I would expect everyone in here to completely hate me. | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | I wouldn't really call it strawman since I'm not representing or misrepresenting anything. I stated a fact. Corporatism != killing | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | The strawman I was talking about was the one I quoted in my previous comment. You infer that people are stupid for being surprised. If we're surprised then we're made of straw and it's easy to burn us down. No one is actually surprised but you need that to be true for your argument to work. That's a strawman. | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | I stated a fact. Corporatism != killing | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | Yes you stated a fact but it's not relevant here. It's not relevant because no one was saying that. I'm sorry you didn't understand the analogy. The comparison is that both the hit man and the corporation are making money. The take away is that making money doesn't make it right because clearly it isn't right when the hitman does his dirty deeds. It was an example of money not justifying actions taken to acquire it. It was not an instance of | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | me equating corporatism to killing. | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | There's a prolific pattern that looks like this: | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | Of course x did y it's what x types do. It's not surprising. | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | Despite being prolific, it's not particularly worth while commentary. I believe I've adequately pointed out its shortcomings. | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | Ah. Gotcha. Well, first, I didn't mean to infer people were stupid. My only point was that we shouldn't be surprised. Not that people were stupid if they were surprised. My apologies on that one. | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | As for the rest of your post, no reason to be condescending. I'm actually not an idiot. Just because I didn't agree with your analogy doesn't mean I didn't get it. Perhaps it didn't come across as me understanding. Perhaps you don't mean to be condescending. Perhaps this is why internet discussions aren't that great. | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | "My story is pretty much like you. I am presently learing python gtk to write GNOME apps and contribute as much as I can to FOSS. Rather than whining about Microsoft' business practices, lets do the thing that could really teach them a lesson, lets make GNOME and KDE better." | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | "Only until it gets successful. Then a Mircrosoft lawyer will visit to demand payment of tolls license fees for supposed patent violations and/or distribute all their apps and spyware, for free." | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:04 |
| schestowitz | If Microsoft does outright trolling like Oracle, it will finish off whatever little rapport it has established with the FOSS world. They can't even afford to do that because a lot of Windows is written by C# FOSS Devs and if they start leaving the ship, it won't be long before lots of users do too. | Feb 18 08:04 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is hence trying to sail in two boats, on one hand trying to create this "New Microsoft" image, and on the other continuing to silently continuing its old practices. | Feb 18 08:04 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:04 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:04 |
| schestowitz | a lot of Windows is written by C# FOSS Devs | Feb 18 08:04 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft open-sourced .NET a few months ago, those FOSS Devs have worked with and for the framework much before that and I don't think anybody writes FOSS in C# because Microsoft started to play nice. | Feb 18 08:04 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:04 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Feb 18 08:04 |
| schestowitz | @@ | Feb 18 08:04 |
| schestowitz | http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm | Feb 18 08:04 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-linux.oneandoneis2.org | Linux is NOT Windows | Feb 18 08:04 | |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:04 |
| schestowitz | The community's time could be spent far better trying to make Linux a viable desktop alternative. I love Linux and I love FOSS and use it everywhere I can but the facts are the facts: Linux is no where in terms of desktop, especially at the enterprise level. It's gotten much better for home use, but there are so many programs that only run on Windows. | Feb 18 08:04 |
| schestowitz | I don't know how old this article is but whenever I see post like yours saying GNU/Linux needs to grow as a viable desktop alternative I remember it. | Feb 18 08:04 |
| schestowitz | The article's problem #7 answers your question beautifully. I used to wonder about GNU/Linux's future as a desktop alternative too, but this article gave me a good alternate perspective. | Feb 18 08:04 |
| schestowitz | Linux is not interested in market share. Linux does not have customers. Linux does not have shareholders, or a responsibility to the bottom line. Linux was not created to make money. Linux does not have the goal of being the most popular and widespread OS on the planet. All the Linux community wants is to create a really good, fully-featured, free operating system. If that results in Linux becoming a hugely popular OS, then that's great. | Feb 18 08:04 |
| schestowitz | If that results in Linux having the most intuitive, user-friendly interface ever created, then that's great. If that results in Linux becoming the basis of a multi-billion dollar industry, then that's great. It's great , but it's not the point . The point is to make Linux the best OS that the community is capable of making. Not for other people: For itself. The oh-so-common threats of "Linux will never take over the desktop unless it does | Feb 18 08:04 |
| schestowitz | such-and-such" are simply irrelevant: The Linux community isn't trying to take over the desktop. They really don't care if it gets good enough to make it onto your desktop, so long as it stays good enough to remain on theirs. The highly-vocal MS-haters, pro-Linux zealots, and money-making FOSS purveyors might be loud, but they're still minorities. | Feb 18 08:04 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:04 |
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| schestowitz | I remember that article. Not too bad. I should clarify. I personally think Linux is fine, but it shouldn't be regarded as a competitor to MS on the desktop...and that's fine. | Feb 18 08:04 |
| schestowitz | I just meant that if one is going to blast MS then do something about it. They're just doing what big corporations do and it's no sense expecting anything different. | Feb 18 08:04 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | The Linux community isn't trying to take over the desktop. They really don't care if it gets good enough to make it onto your desktop, so long as it stays good enough to remain on theirs. | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | This article, while widespread, is on multiple levels highly problematic. First, Linux was invented as desktop OS, that it fails exactly at this use-case (while succeeding everywhere else) should give as to think, architectural wise. Second, Torvalds IS still interested in taking the desktop. GNU/Linux FSF/RMS are highly interested in taking the desktop. Third, announcing "waaahh, as long as it is on my desktop I don't care about others" is | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | elitistic shit against the FOSS spirit as community movement. Fourth, if we are unable of gathering significant user-shares (>1%) we might find us very fast in dead-ends of history either by legislation changes and/or by industry support. | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | We need to take the desktop! | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | It, however, is the same thing that plagues FOSS. Talking about why the other guy sucks, and not why FOSS is better. It's the thing that has driven me crazy about the FOSS community for...well, the last 20 years since I was introduced to it. | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | The fact that people do this is just evidence that FOSS is not, in fact, better. | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | ' | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | "The software is good. The people can be stupid (reference K's line about people in MiB)." | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | They're a company. People should get over it. | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | "Blackmail, extortion, anti-competitive, monopolistic...that's bad!" | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | "But they're a company." | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | "Oh, okay." | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | Idiot. | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | Hey. Way to attack me instead of having a discussion about it. I was actually going to answer your comments until your last line. | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | And this is what's wrong with many in the community. Immediately attack anyone who has a differing opinion. | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | "I feel bad for you. It's cool to disagree with people but them downvoting you and calling you an idiot just because you hold a not so popular opinion in this subreddit is immature and against reddiquette as well." | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | It's all good. I'm used to it. Unfortunately, too many in the FOSS world have opted to adapt a militant view on software. Then, when someone like myself comes along, they only grab the bits of my statements they want to hear and twist them. They ignore the parts where I've been using Linux and FOSS since the 90's. That I don't hold any MS licenses or use their software at home and that I don't actually like them. If they personally knew me, | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | they would ignore the fact that I've been working on FOSS projects for years and that I believe in software freedom. | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | They just grab the part where I disagree with calling them the devil. | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, our energy could be must better spent instead of the latest "OMG MS EVIL!" They're a company. People should get over it. | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | I kinda don't understand this sentiment that comes up pretty much everytime when people are disliking a company: it's just a company doing it for profit so all business practices withing the law are acceptable. | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | I think making noise is important as well but doesn't solve anything alone. | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | I never really defended MS. I even said I don't like corporations. Not just not like but am actually anti corporation. I will actively try to avoid buying from large corporations. However, I'm also a realist. The things required to fix the situation will not happen. No one is willing to stop buying things in order to send a message. | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | So, we can either look like the little brat insulting our big brother or we can ignore them and build something amazing. I just think we give MS way too much attention with articles like this. | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | crap like "Microsoft does not really make software anymore, it just makes malware/spyware like Vista 10"? | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | Is it crap? | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | We're talking about an operating system that behaves in such a intrusive and malware like manner. Which cannot be turned off or retriggers itself to re-enable the privacy invading options you just turned off. | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | Would you put up with this from anyone else or any other company? | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | "Apple and Google mine data as well. I don't know if it's to the extent that Microsoft does but people seem to put up with Apple and Google." | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | Apple and Google mine data as well. | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | See, this is where having a history of abuse hurts you. Microsoft has done dirty things in the past. They're the known quantity. Google and Apple? Not so much. | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | People trust Google because they haven't been burnt yet. They trust Apple pretty much for the same reason. Oh and both Apple and Google have been good partners with Open Source in the past. Microsoft was waging a war from day one. | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | "I pretty much agree with that but to a lesser extent didn't apple steal from Xerox?" | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | didn't apple steal from Xerox? | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | No they did not. | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | http://zurb.com/article/801/steve-jobs-and-xerox-the-truth-about-inno | Feb 18 08:06 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-zurb.com | Steve Jobs and Xerox: The Truth About Innovation | ZURB Blog | Feb 18 08:06 | |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | Unfortunately it's a fair assessment. They are doubling down on "spywaring" their products. In my view, what they're doing is trying to mirror what iphone and android is about. They had hoped they could get there with winphone but Steeve Balmer was years late to the game, they totally missed the train on that one. | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | So after they gave up on mobile they're moving that strategy to the platform they control. My guess is that their analysis says something like this: | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | The key to relevance in the next decade is intimate user data (the kind you get from iphone and android devices), we need to get the same kind of data in some other way. If we play nice we'll be relegated to irrelevance within 5 years (give or take), if we play dirty we may still be relegated to irrelevance in 5 years but at least we tried. | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | So this is really a do or die situation for them. | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | People don't buy it because it's spyware, so saying it "just makes malware/spyware" is ludicrous. People buy it to surf the web, play games, and store photos. | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | But second and more importantly, the name "Vista 10" is as childish and stupid as Micro$oft, and it even worse implies that Microsoft was a good company up until Windows Vista came out. Microsoft has been corrupt since the beginning.. | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | So any insight this writer has is lost, he (or she) comes across as an unwashed, anti-social teenager in a basement somewhere. | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | People don't buy it because it's spyware | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | Of course not, I don't think anyone would suggest that. Well, come to think of it, they actually might, after all, location tracker apps are generally big hits for the added benefits they provide. | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | "The original article had the literal text "just makes malware/spyware". Neither I nor the parent author were using hyperbole in our criticism. The techrights writer might have some useful information in their articles, but it's buried in such absurd exaggeration nobody will listen." | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | Well, come to think of it, they actually might, after all, location tracker apps are generally big hits for the added benefits they provide. | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | You're making less sense with every comment. | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | I'm starting to wonder whether you're actually a Microsoft plant, intended to undermine the credibility of anyone that is critical of them (if so, good job!). | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | ' | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | You're making less sense with every comment. | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | That was a light hearted comment that shouldn't be take too seriously | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | The real meat though is this: | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is rapidly losing ground among ordinary consumers, which means their user base is increasingly corporate heavy. How do you think corporate sysadmins look upon an OS that phones home from the corporate network, automated (or hard to disable) upgrades that may invalidate/obsolete their hardware? | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | I'm working in an organization of about 20,000 employees, a typical Windows shop. In the past year we rolled out a redhat infrastructure, currently we're rolling out redhat based desktops for anyone who wants it. The main reason for this move is the assertion that the Microsoft age is over within the foreseeable future. | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | Unfortunately it's a fair assessment. | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | No, it's hyperbole that undermines the credibility of the information source. | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | "It's techrights.org (AKA Boycott Novell). It has no credibility to undermine." | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | oh, look, my longtime hater... | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | No, it's hyperbole | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | No it's a fair assessment that points out some important issues with Microsoft's current strategies. | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | "No, it is a clearly false statement, and you, like the news source you've linked to, seem unable to separate your agenda from simple facts. Good luck persuading anyone that doesn't already agree with you." | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | In my view, what they're doing is trying to mirror what iphone and android is about. | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | I actually think it's simpler than that. | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | I think they looked at Apple - who, whether you love them or hate them, are taking basically all the profitable customers from the mainstream PC and phone vendors and leaving them with the dross - and decided they wanted some of that. | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's approach to getting some of that is exactly the same as it always has been: | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | Copy the competitor. Don't bother trying to understand what they do or why they do it, just mindlessly copy it. This is the "embrace" bit. If you're into your history, we could compare Windows NT up to and including NT 4 with Novell here. | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | Once you've done this for a while, you're beginning to get an idea of how the competitor's business model works. Which means you can play around with your product to better suit your customers. All the better if you can leverage your position in one market to make your product work better in another (Extend. Active Directory debuted in Windows Server 2000, and introduced Group Policy). | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | By now, you actually have a pretty good product in the marketplace and people are taking notice. Use every deal you can think of to encourage people over to your product while keeping them away from competitors. (When you license Windows Server Datacenter edition, you can run as many Windows VMs as you like on your hardware for no extra cost - the only limiting factor is how powerful your hardware is. It doesn't take a great many VMs for | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | it to be a lot cheaper to do things this way, and at this point, why would your enterprise bother even considering something that didn't run on Windows? About the only time they'll make an exception is when a product is sold as a virtual appliance so they aren't expected to learn anything about it). | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | "Agree, good analysis." | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft does not really make software anymore, it just makes malware/spyware like Vista 10 (the NSA’s dream come true, an always-on keylogger) | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | The language and claims in this article are amazing, it's like reading a rant on 4chan's tech board. | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | "Indeed what a nonsensical statement, malware is software too." | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | malware is software too | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | This should be on a t shirt | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | "Malwaresofttm | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | "Either way it is what it is. It is software, and it's also malware/spyware. Providing valuable software is no longer Microsoft's main concern, acquiring valuable Malware/Spyware data is." | Feb 18 08:09 |
| schestowitz | "https://www.reddit.com/domain/techrights.org/" | Feb 18 08:09 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | techrights.org on reddit.com [ http://ur1.ca/ojce0 ] | Feb 18 08:09 | |
| schestowitz | "Beware that Techrights is nothing but nutjob conspiracy theories involving Microsoft and has absolutely no credibility whatsoever. Take a look at some of its articles that have been submitted to Reddit and see for yourself." | Feb 18 08:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techworm.net/2016/02/windows-10-spies-disabling-tracking-installing-anti-spying-app.html | Feb 18 08:09 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.techworm.net | Windows 10 spies on you despite disabling tracking options or installing anti-spying app » TechWorm [ http://ur1.ca/ojce1 ] | Feb 18 08:09 | |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:09 |
| schestowitz | One of the articles he's cited as a source for his claims is easily proven as BS. | Feb 18 08:09 |
| schestowitz | If you look at the data collected. The actual packets sent were normal traffic for an idle system and not personal data being sent back to Microsoft (LAN, Multicast, ARP, NTP, DNS lookup, etc...). | Feb 18 08:09 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:09 |
| schestowitz | "TechRights again? Please forks, can you please READ the article before thumbing up?" | Feb 18 08:09 |
| schestowitz | "All right, fuck it. I'll engage. Yes, the article gets a bit hyperbolic at points. But are the central facts wrong? Is Microsoft not actually strong-arming channel partners as they have been for 20+ years, with a tactical focus using patent lawsuit threats this round?" | Feb 18 08:09 |
| schestowitz | This is now the MS famage control army | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | and my haters | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | mono people | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | First, TechRights is famous for being a completely lunatic(he thinks normal idle packets from Windows PCs are going to NSA) and a liar. He likes to forge a news article to attack Microsoft(he once wrote an article that Microsoft attacking Linux with patents while it was just about Microsoft suing a company making a system with Linux that runs stuff that violates Microsoft's patents) | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | Second, most of his sources are bs or have no credit whatsoever. For example, this(http://www.techworm.net/2016/02/windows-10-spies-disabling-tracking-installing-anti-spying-app.html). | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | If you think an article written by a lunatic who tends to lie with bs sources is trustworthy, I don't know what to say more. | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | How about not putting words in my mouth? | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | There's a difference between "contains some truth" and "trustworthy". Neither this article nor ms pr shills are trustworthy, but I'd have to be convinced MS isn't still playing shitty hardball with channel partners. | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is in fact up to no good on several fronts - spyware/forced upgrades being just recent "new" news, and it is long established that there are comfy ties between MS and the intelligence community. | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | So if your only point is that this guy is over the top - got it, great, but your claims of "nothing to see here except crazies, MS is the picture of innocence, goodwill, and honest intentions" are equally flimsily suppirted. | Feb 18 08:10 |
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| schestowitz | Alright, that sounds pretty over the top. But based on Microsoft's past behavior, I'm going to be inclined to believe there is some truth to this, as much of it Microsoft is known to have dinner in the past. | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | Is Microsoft not using patent threats to force channel partners to pre-install crapware? | Feb 18 08:10 |
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| schestowitz | This article is complete BS and cites source articles that are complete BS. | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | Edit: corrected a word | Feb 18 08:10 |
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| schestowitz | "cites" | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | "Someone needs to tell the author that android is so far from GNU/Linux they aren't even comparable." | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | They are | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | "Well, Android does sit on top on the Linux kernel. Granted, once you get outside the kernel it gets pretty wild, but that kernel is definitely Linux." | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | "Wow techrights is still a thing?" | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | "Making a business agreement to preload the (already free) Microsoft Office apps on Android handsets... does not seem like a war against Linux." | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | "I'm just going to make more popcorn and laugh at the retards that don't read the article." | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | "" | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | "What do you mean by "free"?" | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | "Beer-type." | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | "Not as in Open Source but as in it doesn't cost money to download." | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | "Can somebody give me a rundown of this without the terrible grammar and hyperbole?" | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | So how about device makers stop preloading anything onto their devices. Let the device buyer decide what they want on the device. | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | My Acer notebook came with windows 8, replaced the regular hard drive with a SSD, loaded Linux Mint. Now I have a faster device, battery time extended by 50% and it speaks to no one I don't want it to. | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | Only one of my households many devices has windows because my colour laser printer and separate scanner don't have Linux Drivers available. | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | But that desktop also has Linux. I only boot up windows when I use the printer and/or scanner, However when windows is being used that device is not connected to the Internet. | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | Anyone can, as I have, improve their level of privacy. My home's windows have blinds and curtains. Why not the internet? | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | "As long as MS extorts money from Android manufacturers they shouldn't be blowing their "open source" horn too loudly." | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | "A little (ok a lot) off-topic but does anyone else find this website completely unreadable? Did they make it for 640x480 screens?" | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | "Anyone who bought the, we ❤ Linux campaign was idiotic. Microsoft is Microsoft, that will never change. Look at what they are doing to their users. Oh, you don't want to upgrade? Forget you, you don't have a choice. They ensnare and trap their users... No thanks!" | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Continues to Use Software Patents to Extort/Blackmail | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | Is there reason to assume that other major tech companies aren't doing the exact same thing? | Feb 18 08:11 |
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| schestowitz | They can bully people as much as they want, doesn't change the fact that their OS is pretty much featureless, doesn't do anything I'd want it to do and is about as secure as those locks that we used to have on floppy disk boxes. I wouldn't use Windows if Bill Gates or whoever runs the thing now came to me personally and begged me to use it. | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | Windows is a child's OS, they all learn it in school in the hope that they'll be forever enslaved to microsoft, unfortunately most of them decide to be, still doesn't change the fact that all the OS is really suitable for is a school project. Got an SSH client yet Microsoft? LOL... | Feb 18 08:11 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know, it has its uses. AD is still the best LDAP implementation going. I'm also not sure why Microsoft would bundle an SSH client natively, Microsoft services don't use SSH. | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | Realistically most people couldn't give a toss about the OS, the applications are what makes or breaks a computing experience. The difference between Ubuntu and Windows is minimal for the average user, the real difference comes when they can't get their favourite applications working, applications that are normally a non-trivial amount of money. | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | "ask me about AD and POSIX attributes..." | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | "Please, Tell me about AD and POSIX attributes." | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | The SSH client is just one example, it's not like it's difficult, putty must only be a couple of hundred Kb? If that? From my last experiences with Windows, the base install seems to take an astonishing amount of disk space for pretty much zero features, it's bigger than my Arch install is INCLUDING all of the stuff I've installed on it. I don't think including an SSH client is going to make much difference. Microsoft don't use SSH themselves | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | sure but Cisco, HP etc do, it's needed to access their switches, routers etc....the amount of network engineers that use Windows is laughable, oh well, whatever you're into, if you enjoy battling with your OS every step of the way to get something done, keep using noobdows! | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | How about a decent, standards compliant web browser? A text editor that isn't Notepad? A graphics application? An office suite? A package manager? A choice of desktop environments rather than forcing the user to use some tablet-inspired rubbish? Any Linux distro that's not Arch, Gentoo etc will give you these things "out of the box", that makes Windows a poor quality product in comparison to the competition. It's not even like they have to do | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | much work, most of these things already exist for Windows, get a package manager and install some useful stuff by default and it would be a big improvement. | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | LDAP? Oh great, something that is predominantly used to control and restrict people is your biggest feature? Not surprising for Windows... | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | Let me know when Windows has a package manager and I can get a setup including things like i3, mutt, vim and firefox along with all the networking tools like nmap and ssh from the terminal and can do it all with as much ease as I can with Arch, then I might be 1% interested. | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | Also, this isn't about "free" in the financial sense, I'd happily pay what people pay for Windows and Apple for Arch if it cost money. | Feb 18 08:12 |
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| schestowitz | LDAP isn't used to restrict people, it's actual purpose is to allow central authentication and privilege allocation. Besides, unless you want Joe the skeezy intern getting your card details sometimes restrictions are a good thing. | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | What's wrong with powershell as a command line though? | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | EDIT: also I find the demands to include this tool and that tool and some blinking lights first party interesting when Linux is, as we're constantly reminded, just a kernel. It provides none of that stuff first party, they're all items added separately. | Feb 18 08:12 |
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| schestowitz | That's still a restriction...I understand, I was just saying it's typical behaviour of a Windows user to jump at a feature providing restriction, since Windows users should be used to being restricted. | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | Powershell is overly-complicated compared to bash from what I've seen, still doesn't seem like it can do everything that can be done from the GUI. For example, can you SSH in and edit a file with something like vi? | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | Oh I agree, I wouldn't use Ubuntu or similar distros because I want to choose what I want to install, I also don't like the idea of reinstalling my system every time a new version of the OS comes out, or hoping for the best with an upgrade script. I personally don't want an office suite installed with my OS, I can't stand the things, whether it be MS Office, Libre Office, Open Office or anything else, it's just a type of software I can't | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | stand using. But, most users want an office suite and to not have one pre-installed puts Windows behind Ubuntu. Linux is great because you can just have a kernel and do everything yourself from source and then there's varying amounts of choice right up to Ubuntu with it's "I'm probably too dumb to be even using a computer, do everything for me!". | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | I don't get why people say Windows is user-friendly, it's not, ever tried guiding a Windows user through something as simple as installing Firefox? "Click here...then here...ok what can you see on your screen now?......" and on and on and on.... Try it with an Ubuntu user, "open a terminal, sudo apt-get install firefox", done. Yes I know they probably pre-install it, just an example. | Feb 18 08:12 |
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| schestowitz | I agree totally. I think that Windows could stand to be easier and I totally see problems with it. However, I don't think the OS, for all its faults, is without merit. | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | To put it in perspective I'm a sysadmin who primarily uses Windows server, though I do use a lot of Linux but not to the extent I can really claim it as a job title. When I want to help a user install software on a Windows PC I'll generally use group membership to enforce its installation automatically at the top of the hour and when I want to provision a Linux server with a new app loadout or update website files I'll chuck it into Puppet. | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | In real terms I interact with both the same way. | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | Powershell can't SSH by default (although apparently it will be able to soon) but once you get into it you don't have an option like Vim, your edits are very much like using cat and sed. This is definitely an area where it could stand to improve. | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | As for LDAP and AD, most of what I like is the peer to peer replication, the fault tolerance and the ease of integration with Group Policy. What I would really love from Linux equivalents are a more easily replicated LDAP database and a way to target config management onto LDAP group rather than onto an internal list of computers (seriously, Puppet really should check group membership). | Feb 18 08:12 |
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| schestowitz | it's not, ever tried guiding a Windows user through something as simple as installing Firefox? "Click here...then here...ok what can you see on your screen now?......" and on and on and on.. | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | Or you know, just hitting the "install" button once ... | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | " Got an SSH client yet Microsoft?" | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | "Soon" | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/powershell/2015/06/03/looking-forward-microsoft-support-for-secure-shell-ssh/ | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:13 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-blogs.msdn.microsoft.com | Looking Forward: Microsoft Support for Secure Shell (SSH) | Windows PowerShell Blog [ http://ur1.ca/ojceo ] | Feb 18 08:13 | |
| schestowitz | [–]Zuiden 3 points 3 days ago | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | OS is pretty much featureless | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | I would say it has just as many "features" as any other OS. | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | doesn't do anything I'd want it to do | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | It runs software. I'd say that's a start. | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | about as secure as those locks that we used to have on floppy disk boxes | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | Point but OSX has more vulnerabilities. Hell Ubuntu has more than any desktop Windows distribution. http://www.cvedetails.com/top-50-products.php?year=2015 The issue here is marketshare. Why target 10-15% of market when you can get 90%. | Feb 18 08:13 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.cvedetails.com | Top 50 products having highest number of cve security vulnerabilities in 2015 [ http://ur1.ca/ojceq ] | Feb 18 08:13 | |
| schestowitz | they all learn it in school in the hope that they'll be forever enslaved to microsoft | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | No. They learn it in school because 90% of the desktop computers in a potential work environment run Windows. Teaching them something else is a disservice. It doesn't mean Windows has to be the only thing they teach, but school budgets are thin. | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | I am not saying Windows is an end all be all OS. I am not even saying it's the best one out there. I run Linux, Windows and OS X currently. They each have their merits and I use them all for different tasks. | Feb 18 08:13 |
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| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | Teaching them anything else would NOT be a disservice, it would be REVOLUTIONARY. The current western education system is a disservice, only a very small part of it is about teaching anything useful, it's mostly about programming people to be compliant from a young age. | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | You don't learn about computers from Windows, you learn about Microsoft products. Anyone that learns Linux can easily use Windows because as I said, it's a simple, child's OS, just point and click and complain about why you can't do the same things in 2 seconds from a terminal. Are you really suggesting that people can't use both Microsoft Office and Libreoffice having learnt one of those? If you can't do that, stop using a computer, it's not | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | your thing. | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | People shouldn't be taught one specific skill in some rigid, compartmentalised style....that's dangerous, very dangerous, that's why people are so dumb and incapable these days. That's just what the system wants though so they can pigeonhole you into a meaningless job and you'll be a good, compliant slave and get on with it. Learn the hacker way, where you learn how to learn and adapt. | Feb 18 08:13 |
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| schestowitz | Got an SSH client | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | While I for my personal use cases tend to share you sentiments - and in particular wrt ssh, which I'm totally dependent on, I disagree in general, windows is not a "child's os", it's an os with a sizable portfolio of very useful applications. The OS itself is marginal relevant but the applications are everything. At work, I personal use windows for outlook and the occasional check that my documents work in word, excel or powerpoint. For all | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | else I use linux in a VM. At home I occasionally use windows in a VM, for a few applications that don't run on linux - most notably VMware's infrastructure client. | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | "I just want to say that this is Racketeering. The FOSS laws are clear enough that microsoft can sue anyone and loose. Its just the cost of defending the case would cost more than paying microsoft to go away. " | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | "Make no mistake, Microsoft isn't there only to provide a service out of goodwill and recognition. Thinking they changed while the basic reason it exists (making monry) hasn't is a reminder that's what we see is only a PR attempt to show themselves under a better light." | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft will be Microsoft and if anyone here is surprised by this, you probably shouldn't be here. | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | E: This article is completely unbiased, btw /s | Feb 18 08:13 |
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| schestowitz | I was on a thread over in r/programming recently, and there was an awful lot of dismissiveness towards anyone saying anything negative about Microsoft, along the lines of, "you're stuck in the past, that's the old Microsoft", and even, "They're obviously the good guys now, quit your silly conspiracy-theory tin foil hat complaining." | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | Yeah well, fuck those guys. | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:14 |
| schestowitz | indeed | Feb 18 08:14 |
| schestowitz | "Before saying fuck those guys, did you read the article, or did you just read the title?" | Feb 18 08:14 |
| schestowitz | "Wow. Yeah, I read the article. Do you have an actual point other than taking a swipe at me?" | Feb 18 08:14 |
| schestowitz | "Did you understand the article?" | Feb 18 08:14 |
| schestowitz | "Do you decommoditize protocols?" | Feb 18 08:14 |
| schestowitz | "Also it's a fair assessment. | Feb 18 08:14 |
| schestowitz | "I considered getting Microsoft band 2 for workouts. Not gonna happen, i'm getting either fitbit surge or tomtom cardio 2. Friggin ms.." | Feb 18 08:14 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:14 |
| schestowitz | This reminds when Dell I think or Gateway where going to bundle Beos with their PC's and offer it to consumers and MS got wind of this travesty. Basically it ended up with MS would pull the licensing of allowing them to sell windows if they did not stop with this foolishness. | Feb 18 08:14 |
| schestowitz | Talk about a dick move! | Feb 18 08:14 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:14 |
| schestowitz | "New boss; same as the old boss." | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | "Hahah, M$ being a bitch again." | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | "Why is seemingly nothing being done about this? Where are the antitrust lawsuits, they sure rape Apple every time something goes wrong, why not MS? | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | Because Apple and Ms have very different business models and business strategies. | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | Apple is a hardware company, they have a very lucrative corner they're defending ferociously, their purpose is not primarily to extract revenue from others but to prevent competition in their specific corner. This means their litigations are about actually stopping others from doing something, so the opposing party does not get the offer to settle for some undisclosed amount. | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | Ms is the opposite, they're pragmatists, they're about extracting revenue wherever they can. They don't care if others use their (or not theirs) technology as long as they pay. They'll offer a deal that is more attractive than a lawsuit, because their threats most likely wouldn't hold up en court. They're not held accountable because, as all good bullies they take pains to avoid bullying those who will fight back, hence they haven't really | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | touched google itself, and they're probably also very careful about which parts of android they attack to avoid giving google a chance to step in. | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | Also, this approach may actually not be looked totally unfavorably upon by some companies who have much the same business approach. They simply make a business arrangement where ms gets a piece of the android business while offering something in return in another area, for example I'm sure there are lots of different arrangements between Samsung and Microsoft. | Feb 18 08:15 |
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| schestowitz | "I have no preinstalled M$ crap on my samsung phone." | Feb 18 08:15 |
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| schestowitz | Its just the cost of defending the case would cost more than paying microsoft to go away. | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | There's also the hidden cost of mysteriously having those OEM Windows licenses becoming unavailable or only available at unsustainable price points.... | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | "Like in new york city, where a dumpster cost 1500 dolllars if you are not connected." | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | It seems like you're doing it a bit backwards. Why not run Windows in the VM if you only use it for Office?" | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | Why not run Windows in the VM | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | That's what I do on my own machine, but this is on the company computer. But frankly, today I often run VMs with linux on linux too for a variety of reasons. | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | Beware that Techrights is .... | Feb 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | You know what, no matter which online new site, blog site, or whatever is linked to, someone will post this essentially ad hominem type of "rebuttal". I don't know if you're doing that in general or it just happen to be your opinion in this specific case. | Feb 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | You know what, no matter which online new site, blog site, or whatever is linked to, someone will post this essentially ad hominem type of "rebuttal". | Feb 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | If an information source has a track record of stating things that aren't true, then it is perfectly legitimate to point this out so that people can treat the information source's claims with skepticism. | Feb 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | My intention isn't to rebut the arguments presented in the article, but rather to warn people against blindly trusting sites that might appear trustworthy at first glance. This is especially important when many here are inclined to believe the facts presented without even having read the article, simply because the headline aligns with their world view. In my opinion, the past history of gems published on Techrights justifies calling their | Feb 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | reputation and credibility into question. | Feb 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | But yes, in a sense I have committed the crime of ad hominem. As for whether or not this is a habit of mine, I'll just mention that every time I see a submission involving Microsoft on /r/linux, I check to see if it is hosted on Techrights. | Feb 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | warn people against blindly trusting sites that might appear trustworthy at first glance | Feb 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | Sound like you're speaking of the Internet. | Feb 18 08:16 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/700248182798880768 | Feb 18 09:24 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: @schestowitz They should get some tractors next time. | Feb 18 09:24 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/700256295652343808 | Feb 18 10:18 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: @Reman_info @IBMEuropePolicy @lexmark @IBM @Bitkom_CE @DIGITALEUROPE @EURemanNetwork Bitkom is a group of large companies. | Feb 18 10:18 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BrianF1959/status/700308945852887040 | Feb 18 13:24 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@BrianF1959: @schestowitz Have you ever seen the FBI tell the truth? | Feb 18 13:24 | |
| schestowitz | They make the headlines mostly when they lie, mislead, or some puff piece about X-Files{tm} | Feb 18 13:24 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/rabite/status/700309626135429120 | Feb 18 13:25 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@rabite: @schestowitz any sane society would throw tumblr in the shitheap. | Feb 18 13:25 | |
| schestowitz | Right... but that would throw out some decent stuff like Lessig's blog out with the bathwater | Feb 18 13:25 |
| schestowitz | and moreover, if we let nations ban one network, we let them move on to more, including Twitter (which I dislike but wouldn't ban) | Feb 18 13:26 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/rabite/status/700310837760806916 | Feb 18 13:32 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@rabite: @schestowitz obscenity is rightfully banned in US, just ask Max Hardcore. Indonesia is drawing a much saner line for it. | Feb 18 13:32 | |
| schestowitz | In Indonesia, which I write about, censorship goes as far as history and news (like hiding its genocides). Very much ahead of US. | Feb 18 13:32 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7049373 | Feb 18 13:35 |
| schestowitz | "“Banned”" | Feb 18 13:35 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-Not a Diaspora post? | Feb 18 13:36 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/rabite/status/700315779212902400 | Feb 18 13:50 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@rabite: @schestowitz I don't agree with banning history or news but pornography and Soros-funded gender mythologies have no social merit whatsoever. | Feb 18 13:50 | |
| schestowitz | This is hardly a "Soros" thing | Feb 18 13:51 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/rabite/status/700317344971800576 | Feb 18 13:55 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@rabite: @schestowitz Soros throws more money at cultural Marxism than all other actors combined | Feb 18 13:55 | |
| schestowitz | Any evidence? It would have to be pretty incredible. | Feb 18 13:55 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BrianF1959/status/700318268356165633 | Feb 18 14:02 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@BrianF1959: @schestowitz Like me trashed my rep beat the crap out of me physically I was nice sent them proof their guys were stealing state secrets | Feb 18 14:02 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sine_injuria/status/700322512068935680 | Feb 18 14:17 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@sine_injuria: @schestowitz #Copyright #TPP #TTIP #TISA #CETA #ISDS #NWO @GlobalJusticeUK @PCGTW @grcafeed https://t.co/lniVsCKITC | Feb 18 14:17 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@EFF: One word changed in a footnote in the TPP would expand prison terms and seizures to harmless copyright infringements https://t.co/oG0mYe4TIL | Feb 18 14:17 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/EdSnowdenNews/status/700327275720343553 | Feb 18 14:34 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@EdSnowdenNews: Whistleblower Edward Snowden to join SFU via video link... https://t.co/1tB2FPlxC2 via @schestowitz https://t.co/yjWs0QkwfI | Feb 18 14:34 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> gettopical.com | Whistleblower Edward Snowden to join SFU via video link for discussion on the promise and peril of big data | Feb 18 14:34 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@EdSnowdenNews: Whistleblower Edward Snowden to join SFU via video link... https://t.co/1tB2FPlxC2 via @schestowitz https://t.co/yjWs0QkwfI | Feb 18 14:34 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/700337539874426880 | Feb 18 15:23 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@qu1j0t3: @h0d3r Is the BBC even pretending to be impartial any more? They're awful on domestic politics too. /cc @schestowitz | Feb 18 15:23 | |
| schestowitz | > Following the new sintax: | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | > [ here starts a new [ url ] | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | > Hopefully helps. I think you were right regarding an editor account but hold it | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | > for a while 'till I finish the two classes I'm taking. | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | > Here it goes: | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | > microsoft_bribing_officials == microsoft-sobornando-oficiales | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | > Cheers | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Great, thank you. I think I can copy with manual editing of hypermark, I got into the habit, just double-check what I publish and make sure it's added to the EPO wiki and the Espanol wiki (I might forget sometimes). | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | My regards to your wife and kids. We work hard here today, lots of news popping up... | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | > Ooops! forgat the attachement. | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | > microsoft-sobornando-oficiales | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | >> One thing that may help me in editing is adding a sign of where a link | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | >> > anchor starts, for instance: | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | >> > [a la EPO[ URL ] | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Feb 18 15:30 |
| schestowitz | >> > right now I am sort of guessing where to start the link/anchor text | Feb 18 15:30 |
| schestowitz | >> > from, based on my very bad comprehension of Spanish (my wife can | Feb 18 15:30 |
| schestowitz | >> > comprehend some of it as she's fluent at Cebuano) | Feb 18 15:30 |
| schestowitz | > OK, Iĺl reedit the next one. Before I send it. | Feb 18 15:30 |
| schestowitz | Makes it easier for me. | Feb 18 15:30 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/meneer/status/700341506465521664 | Feb 18 15:30 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@meneer: @schestowitz Hire? Plenty Open Source minded employees in government service | Feb 18 15:30 | |
| schestowitz | Maybe the Microsoft gatekeepers just don't want to hire them; right now they have an excuse ;-) | Feb 18 15:30 |
| schestowitz | v | Feb 18 15:42 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/LozKaye/status/700367430426746880 | Feb 18 17:52 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@LozKaye: @schestowitz Gosh- met up with both Karen and Jesper at the weekend. Very well informed people. | Feb 18 17:52 | |
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| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 18:36 |
| schestowitz | the place is bristling with rumours following yesterday's B28 meeting. | Feb 18 18:36 |
| schestowitz | "There is something going on, but I can't separate the wheat from the chaff. | Feb 18 18:36 |
| schestowitz | All I can say is that it appears to have been a very rough meeting. | Feb 18 18:36 |
| schestowitz | As soon as I get something more tangible I'll let you know. | Feb 18 18:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 18:36 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/700400103329304577 | Feb 18 19:34 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Wikinaut: @schestowitz any further news ? | Feb 18 19:34 | |
| schestowitz | yes, but not yet... | Feb 18 19:34 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/700404228855046144 | Feb 18 19:44 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: @sxpert1 @schestowitz decisions makers are financed by EPO renewal fees, there is no way they gonna stop the fountain of money. | Feb 18 19:44 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sxpert1/status/700403766298857473 | Feb 18 19:44 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@sxpert1: @schestowitz @zoobab what ? They closed the epo down for good ? | Feb 18 19:44 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/700404929513590784 | Feb 18 19:45 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Sheikh_al_Touar: @schestowitz @glynmoody favouritism at its best however I fear for the multinationals that this perk will soon be history. | Feb 18 19:45 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/700405956648292352 | Feb 18 19:50 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Sheikh_al_Touar: @schestowitz @glynmoody Before shooting me now bear in mind hat I'm an incurable optimist ;) | Feb 18 19:50 | |
| schestowitz | That's a healthy trait | Feb 18 19:50 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/700404228855046144 | Feb 18 22:24 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/datenritter/status/700451898151870465 | Feb 18 22:53 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@datenritter: @Piratenpartei Den kommenden Streik der Mitarbeiter des Europäischen Patentamts habt Ihr bestimmt auf dem Schirm? https://t.co/CATOFAcmPp | Feb 18 22:53 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Union-Busting Strategies Backfire: After Additional EPO Protests/Actions (Over 2,000 in Attendance With More to Come) a STRIKE is Being Planned | Techrights | Feb 18 22:53 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gnu_andrew/status/700483976897634305 | Feb 19 01:00 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@gnu_andrew: @schestowitz especially as "Android tablets" aren't restricted to just one manufacturer. | Feb 19 01:00 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7050926 | Feb 19 01:13 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Lawmakers Speak Out On Apple Being Forced To Create Backdoors; Some Wisely, Some Ignorantlyhttps://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160218/09520333642/lawmakers-speak-out-apple-being-forced-to-create-backdoors-some-wisely-some-ignorantly.shtml back doors exist already | Feb 19 01:13 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.techdirt.com | Lawmakers Speak Out On Apple Being Forced To Create Backdoors; Some Wisely, Some Ignorantly | Techdirt | Feb 19 01:13 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7050927 | Feb 19 01:13 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Watch how #microsoft UK-occupied #bbc did coverage of a >long< interview with #torvalds http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35599774 techrights.org/wiki/index.php/BBC | Feb 19 01:13 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.bbc.co.uk | TED 2016: Linux founder not a 'people person' - BBC News [ http://ur1.ca/ojgwl ] | Feb 19 01:13 | |
| r_schestowitz | http://www.lowyinterpreter.org/post/2016/02/19/Digital-Asia-links-Facebook-in-Myanmar-North-Korean-rockets-emoji-censorship-and-more.aspx | Feb 19 01:28 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.lowyinterpreter.org | Digital Asia links: North Korean rockets, emoji censorship, Myanmar Facebook and more | Feb 19 01:28 | |
| r_schestowitz | 01:00 | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:01:05) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: 0/ | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:01:14) xxxxxxxxxx: Hi | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:01:35) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: how's it going? | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:03:35) xxxxxxxxxx: ok | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:03:38) xxxxxxxxxx: how about you? | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:04:50) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: good | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | 01:05 | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:05:29) xxxxxxxxxx: do you think they should allow the fbi to break into that iphone? | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:06:30) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: fbi already gets into it | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:07:30) xxxxxxxxxx: when? | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:08:03) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: slides leaked by snowden go years back | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:08:24) xxxxxxxxxx: yeah but they can't get into the current one they want to | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:09:35) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: https://twitter.com/Snowden | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | 01:10 | Feb 19 01:58 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-twitter.com | Edward Snowden (@Snowden) | Twitter | Feb 19 01:58 | |
| r_schestowitz | (01:12:12) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: see replies to him | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:12:23) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: and links to articles | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:13:39) xxxxxxxxxx: this one explains why they can't do it without apple involved | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:13:40) xxxxxxxxxx: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/17/apple_iphone_5c/ | Feb 19 01:58 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.theregister.co.uk | Confused as to WTF is happening with Apple, the FBI and a killer's iPhone? Let's fix that • The Register | Feb 19 01:58 | |
| r_schestowitz | (01:13:54) xxxxxxxxxx: basically they can, but they need apple to sign the code | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:14:01) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: NSL | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:14:06) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: under nda | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:14:33) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: apple put a back door/master key | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:14:45) xxxxxxxxxx: well it's not so much that | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:14:46) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: which beats the purpose | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:14:54) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: Microsoft does it too with bitlocker | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | 01:15 | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:15:05) xxxxxxxxxx: they made it so you can update the software without distroying the data or unlocking the phone | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:15:25) xxxxxxxxxx: which you could call a backdoor | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:15:35) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: same with microsoft bitlocker | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:15:41) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: they back up your key to 'cloud' | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:15:50) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: just in case you move, or for recovery | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:16:00) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: and I posted some leaks related to this years ago | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:16:11) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: probably cause back doors | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:16:18) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: back doors... as a 'feature' | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:16:22) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: not just a 'bug' | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:16:43) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: this way they already have excuses prepared | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:16:54) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: apple called one of its back doors in iOS "diagnostics" | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:17:48) xxxxxxxxxx: i think being able to update the phone without distroying the data is something users would generally want even if it does come at the cost of security | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:18:13) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: depends what you use the phone for | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:18:23) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: if you're a journalist, it can lead to the death of your source | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:18:35) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: or self-incriminate | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:19:06) xxxxxxxxxx: then you perhaps need a different type of phone to 99.9%+ of the rest of the world | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:19:33) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: phones are generally not designed to be secure; the baseband OS can be buffer overflowed to take over the main OS, be it Android or iOS or whatever | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:19:50) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: these devices are subsidised because they're tools of control and coercion over people | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | 01:20 | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:20:21) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: For phone--I can use landline and I assume I'm being bugged and speak accordingly | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:21:31) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: the EPO management that threatened to sue me,,, today it became known they're on their way out (sacked or forced to resign) | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:22:06) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: the scandals I showed caught up with them and it destoroyed their reputation beyond repair | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:22:08) xxxxxxxxxx: they tapped your phone? | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:22:28) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: Maybe, but that's not the point though. They did spy on me, via Control Risks Group | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:22:43) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: Gov. contractor that competed with Blackwater for Iraw contracts | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:22:50) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: *Iraq | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:23:12) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: chronology is here: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO | Feb 19 01:59 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights | Feb 19 01:59 | |
| r_schestowitz | (01:23:15) xxxxxxxxxx: they actually had people spy on you? | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:23:41) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: Not just me | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:23:54) xxxxxxxxxx: me? | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:23:55) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: they spied on all the staff and on visitors to the Office | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:24:01) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: and it became a scandal last year | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:24:36) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: Comprehensive article about the whole thing: http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2016/02/welcome-to-eponia-the-strange-land-of-european-patents-that-is-outside-the-law/ | Feb 19 01:59 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-arstechnica.co.uk | Welcome to EPOnia, the strange land of European patents that is outside the law | Ars Technica UK | Feb 19 01:59 | |
| r_schestowitz | 01:30 | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:34:37) xxxxxxxxxx: right ibetter get handed over | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:34:40) xxxxxxxxxx: nothing much going on | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:34:48) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: OK, that's good | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:34:53) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: anyway, with regards to EPO | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:34:58) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: it relates to FOSS | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | 01:35 | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:35:13) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: and to competition, keeping Europe and tech competitive | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:35:37) xxxxxxxxxx: are you sure? i thought there wasn't even susposed to be software patents in the EU | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:35:40) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: if you had read everything that got it started, it would be more evident | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:35:47) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: right, exactly | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:35:55) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: but they create loopholes | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:36:03) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: today too they promoted loopholes | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:36:08) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: this way they make more money | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:36:39) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: anyway, have a good night | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:36:43) xxxxxxxxxx: there was a point release for ubuntu today | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:36:46) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: don't want to take up your time.. | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:36:51) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: yes, 14.04 | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:37:02) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: I found 4 articles about it | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:37:07) xxxx: might see all our servers need updates in the morning | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:37:50) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: I guess it just integrates all the parches since 14.03 | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:37:56) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: inc. glibc patches | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:38:21) xxxxxxxxxx: i think they are out already | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:38:26) xxxxxxxxxx: glibc | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:38:34) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: yes, I patched mine 2 days ago | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:39:00) xxxxxxxxxx: actually a lot might auto update | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:39:10) xxxxxxxxxx: i've set those xxxx ones to update | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:39:17) xxxxxxxxxx: it's jenkins on 2 of them | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:39:25) xxxxxxxxxx: which is a big download from a slow server | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:39:41) xxxxxxxxxx: should finnish in a couple of minute though and the alerts will go away | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | 01:40 | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:40:19) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: nicely automated | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:40:26) xxxxxxxxxx: my cat is asleep on my desk again | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:40:42) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: that's nice for company... | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:40:50) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: I just have wallpapers of animals | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:40:57) xxxxxxxxxx: get a cat | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:40:58) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: changing with a script of feh | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:41:07) xxxxxxxxxx: get 2 cats | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:41:10) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: Nat Geographic image collections on random | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:41:26) xxxxxxxxxx: we are thinking of getting some kittens | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:41:32) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: sometimes big cats show up | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:41:49) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: rianne isn't crazy about cats | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:41:53) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: we're into dogs | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:42:13) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: panda would be best | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:42:17) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: but not legal | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:42:41) xxxxxxxxxx: and very hard to get hold of | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:42:54) xxxxxxxxxx: and not particularly safe to keep in the house | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:43:01) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: yes, china is only lending its | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:43:59) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: (to zoos) | Feb 19 02:01 |
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| r_schestowitz | > http://www.cbsnews.com/news/va-suicide-hotline-calls-went-to-voicemail-report-finds/ | Feb 19 09:49 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.cbsnews.com | Report: VA suicide hotline calls went to voicemail - CBS News | Feb 19 09:49 | |
| r_schestowitz | > | Feb 19 09:49 |
| r_schestowitz | > == | Feb 19 09:49 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Feb 19 09:49 |
| r_schestowitz | > https://jakearchibald.com/2016/link-in-body/ | Feb 19 09:49 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://jakearchibald.com/2016/link-in-body/ ) | Feb 19 09:49 | |
| r_schestowitz | > | Feb 19 09:50 |
| r_schestowitz | > == | Feb 19 09:50 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Feb 19 09:50 |
| r_schestowitz | > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmFLAlZO6ig | Feb 19 09:50 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.youtube.com | USENIX Enigma 2016 - Medical Device Security - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/ojiro ] | Feb 19 09:50 | |
| r_schestowitz | > | Feb 19 09:50 |
| r_schestowitz | > USENIX Enigma 2016 - Medical Device Security | Feb 19 09:50 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Feb 19 09:50 |
| r_schestowitz | > hospitals and medical devices infected with Windows | Feb 19 09:50 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Feb 19 09:50 |
| r_schestowitz | > == | Feb 19 09:50 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Feb 19 09:50 |
| r_schestowitz | > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GiGpmdy5_o | Feb 19 09:50 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.youtube.com | Facebookistan - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/ojirp ] | Feb 19 09:50 | |
| r_schestowitz | > | Feb 19 09:50 |
| r_schestowitz | > Censorship and surveilance in Facebookistan. | Feb 19 09:50 |
| r_schestowitz | > [English, German and Danish] | Feb 19 09:50 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Feb 19 09:50 |
| r_schestowitz | > == | Feb 19 09:50 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Feb 19 09:50 |
| r_schestowitz | > http://thisisnotporn.info/ | Feb 19 09:50 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-thisisnotporn.info | This is not porn | Feb 19 09:50 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/700618706867474433 | Feb 19 10:05 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Zeipt: Фейсбукистан )) https://t.co/RWyZpg5Fc7 | Feb 19 10:05 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Censorship and surveilance in Facebookistan. [English, German and Danish] https://t.co/RRefFvFg7W | Feb 19 10:05 | |
| r_schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/02/the-unitary-patent-reason-to-allow.html?showComment=1455870263414#c6297869031931242833 | Feb 19 10:54 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: The unitary patent: a reason to allow double patenting? | Feb 19 10:54 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Feb 19 10:54 |
| r_schestowitz | Of course the issue of double patenting will make for some interesting decision making. The implementation set out in the SI gives the nervous nellies who are concerned about Article 27(k) UPC the choice of whether: | Feb 19 10:54 |
| r_schestowitz | • to just go for a UK national patent without an exemption of uncertain effect; | Feb 19 10:54 |
| r_schestowitz | • to go for a European bundle omitting the UK, so they can keep a parallel national patent without an exemption of uncertain effect, and thereby potentially have to run two actions rather than one just UPC action; | Feb 19 10:54 |
| r_schestowitz | • to forego the UK national patent without an exemption of uncertain effect once the European is granted if the claims are of commensurate scope, and thereby run the risk of UK nation declaration of non-infringement actions attempting to forestall the expanded scope of contributory infringement; | Feb 19 10:54 |
| r_schestowitz | • to have different claims in a European and a national (Which one do you want to have broader protection? Do you patent different parts of a system with national and European patents?); | Feb 19 10:54 |
| r_schestowitz | • to opt-in, opt-out, shake it all about; | Feb 19 10:54 |
| r_schestowitz | • to go unitary for the expanded contributory infringement scope; | Feb 19 10:54 |
| r_schestowitz | • to bury one’s head in one's hands and cry “it’s too difficult”; | Feb 19 10:54 |
| r_schestowitz | • etcetera. | Feb 19 10:54 |
| r_schestowitz | In contrast, those in other jurisdictions that have read the EPC will have a much simpler decision making process, and those who have preserved or indeed introduce double protection have given themselves a safeguard against UPC failure. | Feb 19 10:54 |
| r_schestowitz | What a mess. | Feb 19 10:54 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Feb 19 10:54 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Feb 19 10:55 |
| r_schestowitz | It is indeed a mess. | Feb 19 10:55 |
| r_schestowitz | Who ever said that UPC is something long awaited for as it will achieve simplification and eventually boost innovation in Europe, especially for SMEs? | Feb 19 10:55 |
| r_schestowitz | Answer: the politicians who decided without having a clear idea of what they have actually decided and the consequences thereof. | Feb 19 10:55 |
| r_schestowitz | As far as SMEs are concerned, there is question of a litigation insurance for SMEs..... | Feb 19 10:56 |
| r_schestowitz | Another source of problem with the UP and the UPC are national prior rights. They have been forgotten. Unitary means the same claims for all contracting states, whereas under the EPC claims can be different if the applicant wants the EPO to take into account national prior rights. It means that in presence of a national prior right in one of the contracting states, the applicant/proprietor will have no choice than to limit all his UP with | Feb 19 10:56 |
| r_schestowitz | respect to said one national prior right. Was this really wanted? | Feb 19 10:56 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Feb 19 10:56 |
| r_schestowitz | What a clusterf* | Feb 19 10:56 |
| r_schestowitz | > Hi, Roy, | Feb 19 11:11 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Feb 19 11:11 |
| r_schestowitz | > This page still seems blank and hidden from the public: | Feb 19 11:11 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Feb 19 11:11 |
| r_schestowitz | > http://techrights.org/2015/10/15/epo-aiding-a-racketeer/ | Feb 19 11:11 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 404 @ http://techrights.org/2015/10/15/epo-aiding-a-racketeer/ ) | Feb 19 11:11 | |
| r_schestowitz | > | Feb 19 11:11 |
| r_schestowitz | > Will it be back any time soon? | Feb 19 11:11 |
| r_schestowitz | I noticed someone reposted the whole thing in solyent after I had taken it down, so copies do exist on the Web, outside my control. With the BB goons still at the helm at EPO I don't want to provoke by republishing. If I do, at some stage, decide to make it public, I will announce it. I might even add some kind of "response" from the EPO to make it "balanced". | Feb 19 11:11 |
| r_schestowitz | Zoobab is now making copies of the site's patent articles and puts them on github just in case they'll try to censor us again. | Feb 19 11:11 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/700638857478348800 | Feb 19 11:12 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Sheikh_al_Touar: @zoobab @schestowitz Don't push to the front you have to wait in line to get your golden parachute my dear! https://t.co/GAW3wPwP4j | Feb 19 11:12 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Sheikh_al_Touar: @zoobab @schestowitz Don't push to the front you have to wait in line to get your golden parachute my dear! https://t.co/GAW3wPwP4j | Feb 19 11:12 | |
| r_schestowitz | >>> >> Hi, Roy, | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> >> | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> >> This page still seems blank and hidden from the public: | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> >> | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> >> http://techrights.org/2015/10/15/epo-aiding-a-racketeer/ | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> >> | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> >> Will it be back any time soon? | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > I noticed someone reposted the whole thing in solyent after I had taken | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > it down, so copies do exist on the Web, outside my control. With the BB | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > goons still at the helm at EPO I don't want to provoke by republishing. | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > If I do, at some stage, decide to make it public, I will announce it. I | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > might even add some kind of "response" from the EPO to make it "balanced". | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | > Ok. Thanks. I was just wondering about the status. AFAIK it is the | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | > only one missing from the site. | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > Zoobab is now making copies of the site's patent articles and puts them | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > on github just in case they'll try to censor us again. | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | > Good idea. | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | BB might be out soon. | Feb 19 12:18 |
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| schestowitz | maybe this summer we'll go to old trafford before man united are history ;-) | Feb 19 13:34 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/02/the-unitary-patent-reason-to-allow.html?showComment=1455881260384#c2018114610159087064 | Feb 19 13:38 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: The unitary patent: a reason to allow double patenting? | Feb 19 13:38 | |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 19 13:38 |
| schestowitz | How is it that implementation of the Unitary Patent Package, which comprises two EU Regulations (nos. 1215 and 1257/2012) and an international treaty (the UPCA), can generate differences in laws between different countries? | Feb 19 13:38 |
| schestowitz | The answer is of course that the UPP only affects EPs and EPUEs, and not national patents (though, as several commentators have pointed out beforehand, that distinction is questionable, as the EPC requires EPs and national patents to have the same effect). | Feb 19 13:38 |
| schestowitz | Because of this, the signatories to the UPCA are merrily working away at implementing solutions that (e.g. due to new differences in the laws applying to national patents) may end up having a significant effect upon partitioning / fragmentation of the internal market. I may be mistaken, but I was under the impression that the European Commission takes a dim view of that kind of effect. | Feb 19 13:38 |
| schestowitz | So how can the UPP be justified if it introduces disharmony? The answer, of course, is supposed to be a more than counterbalancing increase in harmonisation for the law applying to patents granted by the EPO. However, the CJEU has confirmed that, for a EPUE, the "harmonisation" for EPs need only be achieved via the application of a single (national) law across the Participating Member States for that patent. Full harmonisation of different | Feb 19 13:38 |
| schestowitz | national laws is apparently not required - and certainly will not be achieved via the amendments currently proposed / implemented in various UPCA countries. | Feb 19 13:38 |
| schestowitz | I can fully understand the reasons why we have reached the point where a "unitary" patent can only be achieved via this kind of messy compromise. However, I am shocked that the political momentum behind the UPP is such that very little attention has been paid to the questions of whether it will all be worth it in the end, and whether the new system will achieve the intended goals. | Feb 19 13:38 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I worry too much about these points, but it appears to me that too much is being left to chance. Even a recent article in a special UPC supplement to CIPA magazine concluded that it will take many years for the courts to iron out the wrinkles (and significant uncertainty) caused by questionable divergences between different national laws on infringement. Whilst I am confident that these divergences will be resolved eventually, I still | Feb 19 13:38 |
| schestowitz | find it amazing that almost no effort is being made to resolve such fundamental issues before the UPP comes into force. To me, that represents the biggest missed opportunity of all. | Feb 19 13:38 |
| schestowitz | With this in mind, I shall sign off with one final thought. How does applying different national laws to different EPUEs conform with the ECHR, and in particular the prohibition of discrimination on the grounds of nationality? Remember that residence as defined in Article 7 of Reg. 1257/2012 could, at least in some circumstances, be the same as nationality. For me, this observation represents a good reason why, in the end, complete | Feb 19 13:38 |
| schestowitz | harmonisation of national laws of the UPCA member states will be the only practical way forward. | Feb 19 13:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 19 13:38 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/02/the-unitary-patent-reason-to-allow.html?showComment=1455882070167#c6476605684228437142 | Feb 19 13:40 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: The unitary patent: a reason to allow double patenting? [ http://ur1.ca/ojjqs ] | Feb 19 13:40 | |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 19 13:40 |
| schestowitz | To make things easier, according to the EPO (comments on Rule 5 UPP): | Feb 19 13:40 |
| schestowitz | Unitary effect can also be requested where a European patent was granted to multiple proprietors in respect of the same or different participating member states as long as said European patent has been granted with the same set of claims in respect of all the participating member states. | Feb 19 13:40 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 19 13:40 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/700649430534328321 | Feb 19 13:43 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Sheikh_al_Touar: “Further rumours,” said this one comment from last night is that [i]n order to go, Battistelli wants 18 millions €. https://t.co/e1Zu0eKihF | Feb 19 13:43 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Rumours Suggest That Battistelli, Already Enjoying Life With a Huge (But Still Secret) Salary, Wants More Than a Decade’s Worth of Salary to Leave | Techrights | Feb 19 13:43 | |
| schestowitz | > Cannot access weblog from any device of my own or Anita's. | Feb 19 17:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 19 17:01 |
| schestowitz | > I cannot think of anything I posted that would be reason for a ban. | Feb 19 17:01 |
| schestowitz | Present status of weblog | Feb 19 17:01 |
| schestowitz | > Users can access the weblog but they will see a bunch of text above the Logo. They can scroll down to see articles which appeared before the upgrade. However, I cannot login to edit or post. | Feb 19 17:01 |
| schestowitz | Let me have a look... | Feb 19 17:02 |
| schestowitz | > Hi Roy, | Feb 19 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 19 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > Whitelisted on new server. Any issues or questions let us know. | Feb 19 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 19 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > Kind Regards, | Feb 19 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Things have not been going well since this migration. First there was no DB and now there are errors that prevent the user from even logging in to address issues. Is there any way, such as compatibility mode, to revert back to a working state, even if only just to disable a plugin and compact the database? | Feb 19 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Regards, | Feb 19 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Roy | Feb 19 17:44 |
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| liberty_box | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7052833 | Feb 20 09:54 |
| liberty_box | "useful idiots" | Feb 20 09:54 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: How the #BBC Abandoned Investigative Reporting http://gijn.org/2016/02/15/how-the-bbc-abandoned-investigative-reporting/ see http://techrights.org/2015/12/07/bbc-and-epo/ | Feb 20 09:54 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> gijn.org | How the BBC Abandoned Investigative Reporting | Global Investigative Journalism Network | Feb 20 09:54 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Did the EPO Spike a BBC Story Regarding Discriminatory Practices, Legal Bullying of Bloggers, and/or Microsoft Bias? | Techrights | Feb 20 09:54 | |
| liberty_box | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7052128 | Feb 20 09:59 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: For anyone who wanted proof that #ttip #tpp etc. written by anti-tech rich Luddites who fiercely crush progress http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/feb/18/mps-can-view-ttip-files-but-take-only-pencil-and-paper-with-them | Feb 20 09:59 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.theguardian.com | MPs can view TTIP files – but take only pencil and paper with them | Business | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/ojraz ] | Feb 20 09:59 | |
| liberty_box | "Democracy at work." | Feb 20 09:59 |
| liberty_box | https://twitter.com/nyakasanga/status/700908768154943488 | Feb 20 10:02 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@nyakasanga: Gates Foundation is a shell for tax evasion. https://t.co/sVqKnx40GW | Feb 20 10:02 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights | Feb 20 10:02 | |
| liberty_box | https://twitter.com/Tian_A1/status/700780669476032512 | Feb 20 10:02 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Tian_A1: Links 19/2/2016: Samsung's ARTIK, ZFS in Ubuntu 16.04 TechrightsContainers were an old and dec .. https://t.co/0RNeluO3OI #technology #links | Feb 20 10:02 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Links 19/2/2016: Samsung’s ARTIK, ZFS in Ubuntu 16.04 | Techrights | Feb 20 10:02 | |
| liberty_box | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/700822368961355777 | Feb 20 10:02 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz https://t.co/4mPt2IWxOX | Feb 20 10:02 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@WSJ: The Justice Department's new legal salvo at Apple; Harper Lee dies at 89; and more top stories https://t.co/YAx8k8TmOT | Feb 20 10:02 | |
| liberty_box | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/700822368961355777 | Feb 20 10:03 |
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| liberty_box | <liberty_box> <liberty_box> https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/700822368961355777 | Feb 20 18:39 |
| liberty_box | <liberty_box> <liberty_box> https://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/701002761966632960 | Feb 20 18:39 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Sheikh_al_Touar: @schestowitz One day this guy will win an OSCAR for such comments! I for sure would miss his press conferences ;) https://t.co/bTNSwtWSFU | Feb 20 18:39 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Sheikh_al_Touar: @schestowitz One day this guy will win an OSCAR for such comments! I for sure would miss his press conferences ;) https://t.co/bTNSwtWSFU | Feb 20 18:39 | |
| liberty_box | https://twitter.com/LinuxFact/status/701007673525800960 | Feb 20 18:39 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@LinuxFact: #RaspberryPi Gets #OpenGL Support https://t.co/pFOJyIGNt6 #raspi #linux - via @schestowitz | Feb 20 18:39 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.linuxjournal.com | Raspberry Pi Gets OpenGL Support | Linux Journal | Feb 20 18:39 | |
| liberty_box | https://twitter.com/VlmHardy/status/701018063156727808 | Feb 20 18:40 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@VlmHardy: My best RTs this week came from: @schestowitz @SlateAgency #thankSAll Who were yours? https://t.co/PmSoCPxrq1 https://t.co/Lcm4cWZv9A | Feb 20 18:40 | |
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| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@VlmHardy: My best RTs this week came from: @schestowitz @SlateAgency #thankSAll Who were yours? https://t.co/PmSoCPxrq1 https://t.co/Lcm4cWZv9A | Feb 20 18:40 | |
| liberty_box | > I'm also forwarding you the latest documents published by staff rep on | Feb 20 20:23 |
| liberty_box | > Wednesday. The document in German is the one summarised by "Cynic" over | Feb 20 20:23 |
| liberty_box | > here: | Feb 20 20:23 |
| liberty_box | > http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/01/if-you-go-down-to-hague-today.html?showComment=1455751002589#c3594566955670088887 | Feb 20 20:23 |
| liberty_box | > | Feb 20 20:23 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: "If you go down to the Hague today... [ http://ur1.ca/ojtfd ] | Feb 20 20:23 | |
| liberty_box | > I would expect a translation in the other two official languages to be | Feb 20 20:23 |
| liberty_box | > forthcoming, as it was addressed to the Praesidium of the AC. | Feb 20 20:23 |
| liberty_box | I've looked into everything quickly. Some of it might be suitable for partial publishing. | Feb 20 20:23 |
| liberty_box | >>> The warning messages at the top are cleared and the weblog looks good | Feb 20 22:21 |
| liberty_box | >>> for viewers...but I cannot edit. | Feb 20 22:21 |
| liberty_box | >>> My user name "admin" and password,xxxxxxare not accepted for a | Feb 20 22:21 |
| liberty_box | >>> login to edit. When I try to use password recovery, | Feb 20 22:21 |
| liberty_box | >>> my email address is not recognized. | Feb 20 22:21 |
| liberty_box | >> | Feb 20 22:21 |
| liberty_box | >> I'm in yorkshire at the moment, will work on fixing it monday afternoon when back home. | Feb 20 22:21 |
| liberty_box | > Monday is fine. No urgency on my part, as they say...shit happens. | Feb 20 22:21 |
| liberty_box | > | Feb 20 22:21 |
| liberty_box | > Do they still serve Yorkshire pudding in Yorkshire? Haha. | Feb 20 22:21 |
| liberty_box | They serve it everywhere in the UK. Sometimes we by some, but it's not easy to cook right for crispiness. The site, in the mean time, looks OK. I will make sure the dashboard becomes accessible again. I'm pretty certain we'll get there this week... | Feb 20 22:21 |
| liberty_box | We're in Yorkshire at the moment, back home tomorrow... | Feb 20 22:23 |
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| liberty_box | didn't know this song till now... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-w1SYl6-Ik | Feb 20 22:55 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.youtube.com | Tie A Yellow Ribbon Around The Old Oak Tree - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/oju41 ] | Feb 20 22:55 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/laurelrusswurm/status/698801840012582912 | Feb 14 10:16 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@laurelrusswurm: Retweeted Dr. Roy Schestowitz (@schestowitz): The Trouble With the TPP, Day 27: Source Code Disclosure Confusion... https://t.co/MprbaCsain | Feb 14 10:16 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.michaelgeist.ca | The Trouble With the TPP, Day 27: Source Code Disclosure Confusion - Michael Geist | Feb 14 10:16 | |
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| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/45p3ml/microsoft_continues_to_use_software_patents_to/ | Feb 14 10:37 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | Microsoft Continues to Use Software Patents to Extort/Blackmail Even More Companies That Use Linux, Forcing/Coercing Them Into Preinstalling Microsoft : linux [ http://ur1.ca/oipft ] | Feb 14 10:37 | |
| schestowitz | "I still don't get what Microsoft has to do with ASUSTek. They are not even in the same platform or industry (OS Software vs Hardware components). Trying to pass a judgement on what ASUSTek can and cannot sell is nothing but trolling on part of Microsoft." | Feb 14 10:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 10:37 |
| schestowitz | If the bully's product (the OS) is a crucial part of your products (laptops, PCs), it may make you want to listen to what the bully has to say. It's a classic dilemma: You want to break free of the stranglehold, in order to do that you need to implement your new strategy while at the same time continue with your old strategy. | Feb 14 10:38 |
| schestowitz | The bully has this stranglehold on your old strategy and will use that to stop you from implementing new strategies. | Feb 14 10:38 |
| schestowitz | Samsung is doing it because they have the weight and product diversity to face them off, Asus is much more of a one-horse company and therefore more vulnerable. | Feb 14 10:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 10:38 |
| schestowitz | "|But why don't they absolutely decline and say NO to Windows and sell only Linux or zero-OS laptops. Most people buying ASUS are power-users anyway, they shouldn't mind formatting and doing a clean install of their OS of choice." | Feb 14 10:38 |
| schestowitz | "Risk. It would be huge risk to just stop using system that has gotten you this far and just start from scratch. Shareholders and such would probably have a heart attack if Asus would announce such plan and suddenly the stock would plummet." | Feb 14 10:38 |
| schestowitz | "If they all had heart attacks, there would be nobody left to sell the stocks..." | Feb 14 10:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 10:38 |
| schestowitz | Without insights into the profile of their average customer, it's hard to say if this is a smart business move or not. It's very possible Asus laptops are bought by a non-trivial amount of the technologically inept. Asus laptops are styled well and are alluring. | Feb 14 10:38 |
| schestowitz | I would love to see any laptop manufacturer at the very least diversify their range and offer Linux laptops with an optional Windows upgrade should they find they are not getting on well with Linux. | Feb 14 10:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 10:38 |
| schestowitz | "A lot of them do. My Dell Inspiron came with Ubuntu 12.04 (and also an Ubuntu sticker!). If you go to Ebay/Amazon and filter on "Linux", "FreeDOS" or "No OS", you can see quite a good number of laptops! From what I've observed Samsung and ASUS have the most laptops in this Non-Windows category of laptops, while Dell and Lenovo are just starting to offer them on few models. HP and Toshiba, for some reason, seem to want to stick with Microsoft | Feb 14 10:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 10:39 |
| schestowitz | "I know and have seen many casual Asus laptop users with windows so what you said conflicts heavily from what I've seen. It seems to me that most people who buy laptops are not power users." | Feb 14 10:39 |
| schestowitz | "Anyone old enough to remember SCO is not shocked by this." | Feb 14 10:39 |
| schestowitz | "Making a business agreement to preload the (already free) Microsoft Office apps on Android handsets... does not seem like a war against Linux." | Feb 14 10:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | NO Just NO. Nothing is forcing those companies to stay with MS. | Feb 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | If LINUX offered the same user experience for the MAJORITY of END USERS that Windows does today, Microsoft would be out of revenue. I say this typing from linux as my primary boot OS and windows being my OS for earning a living because Linux and the atmosphere around developing working profitable programs is non existent. As long as I have to use Photoshop instead of an equally powered option on linux, windows will have to stay in play. This | Feb 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | applies to a lot of end users working in many different industries outside of development and network applications. | Feb 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | Until freedom to setup and change everything stops being the default instead a power option for the minimal market share it represents, and until defaults start being set based on case uses of the majority of end users Microsoft will remain the leader in market share and end user appreciation. Until Linux makes it possible* for companies to lock down their products to the point they are on windows where they have margin of error amounts of | Feb 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | complaints about their software, they will not develop software for Linux and **end users will keep going to Microsoft. As long as developers keep confusing their freedoms with the users needs Microsoft will continue to hold the market, no blackmail needed. | Feb 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | "This hurts because there's truth to this statement. The third way is something that satisfies end users' needs while also offering freedom, but it's not always so simple." | Feb 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | "See my giant drunk post where I got nothing better to do than explain things in detail... fresh off the presses. https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/45k9vg/confused_by_license_compatibility_a_new_article/czzeqmr" | Feb 14 10:41 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | torontohatesfacts comments on Confused by license compatibility? A new article by Richard Stallman may help [ http://ur1.ca/oipg6 ] | Feb 14 10:41 | |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | I think Ubuntu is actually ready to provide that superior product in comparison to Windows or Chromebooks. It doesn't have certain programs that will hold some people back, but many people are changing platforms right now because they aren't held back. | Feb 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | That being said, ignoring the entire post except the last two sentences, I agree. People choose OS on what works for their needs, not what fits their morals better. | Feb 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu is great in terms of getting things done with minimal input, I'm using Xubuntu or Mint XFCE on all of my systems, only one of them a dual boot with Windows. If you want to see a desktop system where users are speaking with their wallets look at Mint's donation lists. Some users are throwing 10x the cost of Windows at them because its even smoother and more streamlined for that end user and their case use than Ubuntu flavours or Windows | Feb 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | The persisting issue is lack of 3rd party applications that function as well as industry standards on Windows and or Mac. | Feb 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | Mint figured out a monetization system besides donations that works for them and it doesn't force the user to go with it if they don't want but they explain what and how cleary about their ad/search revenue sharing with the built in search engines. They don't block users from using google, they do tell them google doesn't share /allow them to integrate Ad Sense and etc. | Feb 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 10:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 10:42 |
| schestowitz | This is essentially my rationale for how Ubuntu could replace Android and Chrome. Just let Google be default search and stuff. Then, let open source software takeover. Then, bait and switch Google at will. Developers will finally develop for Linux, and it will be gameover for platform lock-ins. | Feb 14 10:42 |
| schestowitz | I am kind of a hardcore Linux user who has done all the funky OSes and made my computer go to hell and back, but now I'm just installing Ubuntu because I might need to reinstall in a couple weeks, so who cares? And plus, I'm beginning to back Ubuntu as the one true hope for actual GNU Linux to reach mainstream. Its mobile developments are really legit. Its desktop is pretty and attractive to plebs. Let them win! And again, once mainstream | Feb 14 10:42 |
| schestowitz | picks Ubuntu, the applicable software will also easily run on whatever fancy distro that you prefer to run. | Feb 14 10:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 10:42 |
| schestowitz | "Do you? RawTherapee does more than Lightroom. Now, use what you know, but know what you don't know. I dislike Adobe and avoid their software because they do stupid things and charge too much. But Photoshop is okay software, if you have an arm and leg to sell for the whole Creative Suite, or accept torrenting their stuff and supporting the Hegemony." | Feb 14 10:42 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/698656938540802048 | Feb 14 11:04 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Snowden: Counter-counterpoint: https://t.co/uaZMK0UDXL | Feb 14 11:04 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@erisi236: @Snowden like the voting public is even going to remember what a Supreme Court is after tomorrow | Feb 14 11:04 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/infosecretwit/status/698912135183781888 | Feb 14 16:52 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@infosecretwit: https://t.co/3Cj7lsZySA Yes, users of #gnu #linux can install malware and back doors (if they want to) https://t.co/cft4gQwgfz | Feb 14 16:52 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Yes, users of #gnu #linux can install malware and back doors (if they want to) https://t.co/YqvaNHGo8W | Feb 14 16:52 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.techworm.net | Russian Hackers Spying On Your Linux PC Using Sophisticated Malware "Fysbis" » TechWorm | Feb 14 16:52 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/bdowns328/status/698918114944135168 | Feb 14 17:19 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@bdowns328: https://t.co/fdp95PFtKG #microsoft #linux | Feb 14 17:19 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Microsoft Continues to Use Software Patents to Extort/Blackmail Even More Companies That Use Linux, Forcing/Coercing Them Into Preinstalling Microsoft | Techrights | Feb 14 17:19 | |
| schestowitz | > Happy Valentine's Day for both of You! | Feb 14 17:47 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 14 17:47 |
| schestowitz | > American & Sacramento River. | Feb 14 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Wow, great stuff. Nice to see the family. My wife says "we're going to see you in the future..." | Feb 14 17:47 |
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| schestowitz | Florian still spends a lot of time promoting Rumphttps://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/698913854496055298 | Feb 14 19:13 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@FOSSpatents: "He is delivering an intense message that no one else has proven capable of delivering with the requisite intensity" https://t.co/2RPshgnw32 | Feb 14 19:13 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/698913854496055298 | Feb 14 19:13 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@TheStalwart: Interesting from @jamespoulos on Trump's attacks against GWB https://t.co/u78cVVrric | Feb 14 19:13 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/698921934533296128 | Feb 14 19:13 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@FOSSpatents: Looks like the Republican SC primaries are a foregone conclusion. https://t.co/ear2S1SYmc | Feb 14 19:13 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@realDonaldTrump: Thank you for your support! TOGETHER we will MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! https://t.co/fFN9pisyQ4 https://t.co/VxyuDwZmC9 | Feb 14 19:13 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/StallmanWasRight/comments/45rznq/microsoft_continues_to_use_software_patents_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/45ri55/microsoft_continues_to_use_software_patents_to/ | Feb 14 19:16 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | Microsoft Continues to Use Software Patents to Extort/Blackmail Even More Companies That Use Linux, Forcing/Coercing Them Into Preinstalling Microsoft : StallmanWasRight [ http://ur1.ca/oiqv2 ] | Feb 14 19:16 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | Microsoft Continues to Use Software Patents to Extort/Blackmail Even More Companies That Use Linux, Forcing/Coercing Them Into Preinstalling Microsoft : technology [ http://ur1.ca/oiqv4 ] | Feb 14 19:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/unfilter/comments/45g7o4/extortion_microsoft_is_more_like_a_new_mafia/ | Feb 14 20:43 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | Extortion - Microsoft is more like a new Mafia : unfilter [ http://ur1.ca/oiif7 ] | Feb 14 20:43 | |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Summary: Acer is the latest large OEM to have become a victim of Microsoft's witch-hunt against Android/Linux preloaders, whom Microsoft is coercing into becoming Microsoft's carriers. | Feb 14 20:43 |
| schestowitz | It's not hard to see what's happening here; even a Microsoft booster like Mary Jo Foley acknowledges the role of patent blackmail, using unnamed software patents which Microsoft has been using to hunt down OEMs all around the world, even where software patents are not at all valid. | Feb 14 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Acer is the latest large OEM to have become a victim of Microsoft's witch-hunt against Android/Linux preloaders, whom Microsoft is coercing into becoming Microsoft's carriers. | Feb 14 20:43 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 20:43 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/45ri55/microsoft_continues_to_use_software_patents_to/ | Feb 14 20:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Not sure what to think, as the language shows that the writer has a very strong anti-MS sentiment. | Feb 14 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Are there more articles about similar cases written by the others? | Feb 14 20:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 20:44 |
| schestowitz | "the us gov pulled in M$ i think the 90's for doing shit like this" | Feb 14 20:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 20:44 |
| schestowitz | This has been going on for years. | Feb 14 20:44 |
| schestowitz | The Halloween documents comprise a series of confidential Microsoft memoranda on potential strategies relating to free software, open-source software, and to Linux in particular, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween_documents | Feb 14 20:44 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.wikipedia.org | Halloween documents - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/oir5a ] | Feb 14 20:44 | |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 20:44 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp_v_Commission | Feb 14 21:12 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.wikipedia.org | Microsoft Corp v Commission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/ocs7p ] | Feb 14 21:12 | |
| schestowitz | "Yeah. That was back before the new "Companies Are Exempt from all Rules and Consequences. All Hail The Corporate Overloards"-Act, known as "Citizens" ironically." | Feb 14 21:12 |
| schestowitz | "ITT: /r/technology turns into /r/hailcorporate." | Feb 14 21:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 21:12 |
| schestowitz | This has been going on for years. | Feb 14 21:12 |
| schestowitz | The Halloween documents comprise a series of confidential Microsoft memoranda on potential strategies relating to free software, open-source software, and to Linux in particular, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween_documents | Feb 14 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft AstroTurfing War on GNU/Linux is Still Going On, But Hidden Better, Uses API as Instrument of Lock-in | Feb 14 21:12 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2015/02/21/corruptible-press-on-eee/ | Feb 14 21:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 21:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 21:13 |
| schestowitz | That's the same author.... | Feb 14 21:13 |
| schestowitz | The guy was asking for articles by other authors. | Feb 14 21:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 14 21:13 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/698970204664172544 | Feb 14 21:14 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Microsoft AstroTurfing War on GNU/Linux is Still Going On, But Hidden Better, Uses API as Instrument of Lock-in | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/oir9b ] | Feb 14 21:14 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: DiskIO performance on openvz servers at Hostodo is just horrible. I think they just overcommit a lot #hostodo #openvz | Feb 14 21:14 | |
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| schestowitz | > Great! You'll join us panning for gold! | Feb 14 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Ah, the gold rush... | Feb 14 22:23 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/45ri55/microsoft_continues_to_use_software_patents_to/ | Feb 14 22:24 |
| schestowitz | "LOL! I'm sure attentive to ongoing reality!" | Feb 14 22:24 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | Microsoft Continues to Use Software Patents to Extort/Blackmail Even More Companies That Use Linux, Forcing/Coercing Them Into Preinstalling Microsoft : technology [ http://ur1.ca/oiqv4 ] | Feb 14 22:24 | |
| schestowitz | "Looks like the guy is trying to slander M$ in the hopes that they pay him to buy his site.' | Feb 14 22:24 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Feb 14 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Nice logic there | Feb 14 22:25 |
| schestowitz | so the mission of techrights was all along to be bought by Microsoft, MinceR | Feb 14 22:25 |
| schestowitz | sounds legit | Feb 14 22:25 |
| MinceR | lol | Feb 14 22:29 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/45spd4/obeyish_linux_wallpaper_i_made_in_gimp/ | Feb 14 23:04 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | OBEYish Linux Wallpaper I made in GIMP : linux [ http://ur1.ca/oirn7 ] | Feb 14 23:05 | |
| schestowitz | "Well given the "M$" in your response, are you really that concerned?" | Feb 14 23:05 |
| schestowitz | "It's not because I am not too fond of a company that I can't call out the shills from the other side on their bullshit." | Feb 14 23:05 |
| schestowitz | "I love reddit comments on articles like this. Clearly there is no reason to go read the real article in this case." | Feb 14 23:05 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TroyRubert/status/699009706963111936 https://twitter.com/TroyRubert/status/699009992679153664 | Feb 14 23:24 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@TroyRubert: https://t.co/0GYGvNyP9X | Feb 14 23:24 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Microsoft Continues to Use Software Patents to Extort/Blackmail Even More Companies That Use Linux, Forcing/Coercing Them Into Preinstalling Microsoft | Techrights | Feb 14 23:24 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@TroyRubert: https://t.co/0GYGvNyP9X #Technology | Feb 14 23:24 | |
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| schestowitz | > Bro, | Feb 15 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 15 11:26 |
| schestowitz | >>From now on I'll send you the translation for the final url part along with the | Feb 15 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > article: | Feb 15 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 15 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > epo-upc-trojan-horse == oep-upc-caballo-de-troya | Feb 15 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 15 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > Thus It'll be easy for me to look for them when I see that needs to be linked. | Feb 15 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 15 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > We arrived home in Westminster around 6:00. It's almos ten and B&K still up. I | Feb 15 11:26 |
| schestowitz | > wish I could have that energy. | Feb 15 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 15 11:27 |
| schestowitz | > Cheers | Feb 15 11:27 |
| schestowitz | Yes, it helps to have the URL slug included, otherwise I just guess with my very poor Spanish comprehension... | Feb 15 11:27 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/699234832442908672 | Feb 15 19:41 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: What about a Zsun hooked up to an Android phone that exposes leaked AP names, gives a DHCP answer with an NTP server in 1970? | Feb 15 19:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/699242381858709504 | Feb 15 19:41 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: Toggle a LED light with a USB serial adaptor via its DTR pin https://t.co/12T4kxXFKu https://t.co/HblVAUauPd | Feb 15 19:41 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> github.com | GitHub - zoobab/toggledtr: Blink a LED with the DTR pin of a serial port | Feb 15 19:41 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: Toggle a LED light with a USB serial adaptor via its DTR pin https://t.co/12T4kxXFKu https://t.co/HblVAUauPd | Feb 15 19:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/699278651263680512 | Feb 15 19:42 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: Blink a 2EUR LED lamp with a usb-serial port converter and its DTR pin https://t.co/12T4kxXFKu https://t.co/eWSZkz7sJs | Feb 15 19:42 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: Blink a 2EUR LED lamp with a usb-serial port converter and its DTR pin https://t.co/12T4kxXFKu https://t.co/eWSZkz7sJs | Feb 15 19:42 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jsalsman/status/699318116174553088 | Feb 15 19:44 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@jsalsman: @schestowitz there is already patent trolling in China, but the opaque court system changes all the risk equations | Feb 15 19:44 | |
| schestowitz | I've seen almost no data/info about China and patents, not in English anyway... | Feb 15 19:44 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/HypriotTweets/status/694990650211725313 | Feb 15 19:48 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@HypriotTweets: The Pine A64 is about to become the cheapest ARM 64-bit platform to run @Docker: https://t.co/7KcXbl9yAV @thepine64 https://t.co/mgW2ystm0v | Feb 15 19:48 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> blog.hypriot.com | The Pine A64 is about to become the cheapest ARM 64-bit platform to run Docker · Docker Pirates ARMed with explosive stuff | Feb 15 19:48 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@HypriotTweets: The Pine A64 is about to become the cheapest ARM 64-bit platform to run @Docker: https://t.co/7KcXbl9yAV @thepine64 https://t.co/mgW2ystm0v | Feb 15 19:48 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jsalsman/status/699319554208456705 | Feb 15 19:51 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@jsalsman: @schestowitz I lived in Shanghai working at @EFLabs where patents prevented pronunciation intelligibility remediation software improvements | Feb 15 19:51 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jsalsman/status/699318116174553088 | Feb 15 19:52 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/699678577609023490 | Feb 16 19:39 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Zeipt: Математика мешает мешать террористам. (глава ЦРУ John #Brennan) https://t.co/EtzcYjd6TV | Feb 16 19:39 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: CIA Head John #Brennan Says #CIA Failed To Prevent Terrorist Attacks Because Of Encrypted Communications https://t.co/fHiJuzYojw liar | Feb 16 19:40 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/je5perl/status/699681022053588993 | Feb 16 19:48 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@je5perl: @schestowitz @zoobab If the software is actually doing something, there is probably a further technical effect somewhere.. (#irony) | Feb 16 19:48 | |
| schestowitz | And it's "inventive(R)" | Feb 16 19:48 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fth_nix/status/699686499898544128 | Feb 16 20:07 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@fth_nix: Wish it was firefoxos! :'/ https://t.co/0HQ8CUinSK | Feb 16 20:07 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: #Tizen smartphone sold 3 million units in 2015 https://t.co/6PKm5zCFMn #linux #samsung | Feb 16 20:07 | |
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| schestowitz | >>> > > Hello Roy, | Feb 16 21:58 |
| schestowitz | >>> > > | Feb 16 21:58 |
| schestowitz | >>> > > Thanks for your below comment. | Feb 16 21:58 |
| schestowitz | >>> > > That is a good reason, indeed. | Feb 16 21:58 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Feb 16 21:58 |
| schestowitz | >> > I don't want to connect caricatures with particular teams like the flier | Feb 16 21:58 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Feb 16 21:58 |
| schestowitz | >> > folks, just in case another 'bogus' investigation is launched. | Feb 16 21:58 |
| schestowitz | > AGREED. THAT'S PROBABLY BETTER. GOOD STYLE! | Feb 16 21:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 16 21:58 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Feb 16 21:58 |
| schestowitz | >>> > > It seems that you are becoming an expert even for EPO-internal matters. | Feb 16 21:58 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Feb 16 21:58 |
| schestowitz | >>> > > BB is creating transpareny! | Feb 16 21:58 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | >> > By alienating everything he made a lot more enemies. His days are now | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | >> > numbered. | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > I THINKS SO TOO. AND I STILL HAVE SOME HOPE FOR TOMORROW | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > (BOARD 28 MEETING; YOU PROBABLY KNOW ABOUT THE RUMOURS THAT THEY | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > ARE NEGOTIATING HIS DEPARTURE; BUT THE RUMOUR IS NOT CONFIRMED). | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | >>> > > I just sent you some more documents. | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | >>> > > Don't feel obliged to use them, if you think that things have been sufficiently | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | >> > covered. | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | >>> > > | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | >>> > > Above all: | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | >>> > > Enjoy your day off! | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | >> > I will work on the material I have at hand rather than help by attending | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | >> > at Munich. It's the least I can do to stand up and defend justice in | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | >> > Germany. I heard a lot of stories about what happens when nobody bothers | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | >> > doing it... | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > YES. THAT MAKES MORE SENSE. | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > BUT YOU ARE ALMOST 'OVER-PRODUCING'; | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > CURRENTLY,NOBODY MANAGES TO FOLLOW ALL YOUR POSTS ABOUT THE EPO. | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | > READ YOU SOON AGAIN. | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | People can always choose to catch up with older posts, if they find the time... tomorrow I won't be at home for long, so I need to take advantage of the time I have today. | Feb 16 21:59 |
| schestowitz | I don't believe BB will be pushed out tomorrow. Not yet... | Feb 16 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/700045737116225536 | Feb 17 20:44 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: @vbsteven a RaspberryPi serving static pages would be enough to replace those monsters. | Feb 17 20:44 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/EsRevorTeR/status/700057287885524992 | Feb 17 20:44 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@EsRevorTeR: @schestowitz #word | Feb 17 20:44 | |
| schestowitz | > Roy, | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > A few weeks ago my Win7 partition on my dual boot Linux Mint Gateway | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > ID58 laptop system started having communication problems with wifi. I | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > don't use it except to communicate with my Garmin Vivofit fitness | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > tracking bracelet to upload its data to Garmin server and update my | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > Magellan car GPS maps. (There are no Linux applications for these | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > unfortunately.) All else I do in Linux. | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > M$ added a nuisance pop up update that kept offering me on a daily | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > basis, Win10 for free nagging me to download. I kept declining. | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > Two weeks later I got a pop up from Symantec, NTkernel32.exe (or | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > something to that effect) was trying to communicate with the outside | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > world. It did not seem legitimate and so I clicked to block. Shortly | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > after, I started having wifi problems. I use the same computer for | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > Linux Mint sessions, Linux still worked flawlessly with my wifi | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > router, so it wasn't a hardware problem. I reinstalled the Win7 | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > software from the Gateway backup DVD's I made when I bought the | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > machine. It comes with M$ Office preinstalled, so I immediately | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > uninstalled it. I also uninstalled another M$ apt that is used to | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > validate it. | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > I'm having wifi problems even with the refresh. I connect directly to | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > the 802.3 LAN port, whilst wifi keeps going intermittent, with weird | Feb 17 22:10 |
| schestowitz | > messages like its settings doesn't match the wifi, which it never did | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > before. Now I am on Internet. I download M$ WGA verifier, which comes | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > back that my WIn7 system is not genuine. What? | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > Again, I wipe the partition and reinstall. This time I don't delete M$ | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > stuff. I shut off and on the cable modem and wifi router. System works | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > for a day on wifi. I get SP1 installed now. Next day, guess what? Wifi | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > no longer works again. Boot into Mint, works perfectly. | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > M$ has seeded search engines to the point where I can only find praise | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > for M$ with very few complaints. Yet, my government engineer friends, | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > nearly all have a disdain for M$ and especially after learning of the | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > various lawsuits and unethical behaviour. My current workaround now is | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > to do Vivofit upload on my Android phone. If I can update my GPS with | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > my phone, may try that also. M$ with its profitability goals has | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > certainly followed a familiar saying, "Get all you can, can all you | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > get and poison the rest." | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > I'm feeling a lot like Ernie Ball and with a suitable workaround, may | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > just wipe all M$ off several of my dual boots and just go straight | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > Linux. Still using my ASUS 701SD 4gb netbook. It runs Lubuntu as my | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > MP3 front end for my sound system as my backing band for sax playing. | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > Got to go. Found this compliment to you and Rex Ballard when searching: | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > http://cosmicpenguin.com/linux/MICROSOFTS_WAR_AGAINST_LINUX.html | Feb 17 22:11 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-cosmicpenguin.com | MICROSOFT'S WAR AGAINST LINUX | Feb 17 22:11 | |
| schestowitz | If a device that you use is not compatible with Linux, then the cheaper and simpler solution would be to replace that device (or give it away), then wipe Windows. I had some issues with W98 at some stage more than a decade ago, whereupon I just chucked it and things got a lot easier. | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Thanks for keeping in touch. I read quite a bit about Okinawa recently and it always brings back to mind some stories. | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > Dear Roy, | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > thanks for your mail. So, I hope that something will happend with Mr. Topic. At the momment I am in the hospital. I will call you back next week. | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | > Best regards from Zagreb. | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | best wishes and fast recovery from myself and the wife. Thanks for the SMS (on my wife's phone). | Feb 17 22:11 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7046138 | Feb 17 22:17 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: As #techdirt correctly put it, judge asked #apple to "Create A >New< Backdoor." Because there are already back doors, they want even more. | Feb 17 22:17 | |
| schestowitz | "why ask for a new one when you already have one?" | Feb 17 22:17 |
| schestowitz | In case researchers discover the older one ;-) | Feb 17 22:17 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/700093086773354496 | Feb 17 23:04 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @patentbuddy @zoobab Billy Gates and another were(are?) trying to start a tech Charter School here in NZ. I say F that! | Feb 17 23:04 | |
| schestowitz | Billy and corporate buddies whom he invests in (for profit) always look for ventures http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique … | Feb 17 23:04 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/1e8bh ] | Feb 17 23:04 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/patentbuddy/status/700093243837407233 | Feb 17 23:05 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@patentbuddy: @schestowitz @zoobab I am also an inventor--there is a eureka moment for invention and for problem solving. | Feb 17 23:05 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/patentbuddy/status/700093382014533632 | Feb 17 23:05 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@patentbuddy: @retroDoomer @schestowitz @zoobab Me too. I do not trust Gates. | Feb 17 23:05 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/700093403120336896 | Feb 17 23:05 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz @patentbuddy @zoobab Gov't pays them (charters) grants etc, they aren't publicly liable either. Can hide records/spending. | Feb 17 23:05 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/700093535563948032 | Feb 17 23:06 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: @patentbuddy @schestowitz BTW most tech transfer departments of universities are in deficit. | Feb 17 23:06 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/patentbuddy/status/700093763985616896 | Feb 17 23:06 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@patentbuddy: @zoobab @schestowitz That's true. | Feb 17 23:06 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/infosecretwit/status/700095124223758336 | Feb 17 23:18 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@infosecretwit: https://t.co/bEwx5WQXHh RT schestowitz: Just because the greedy, social-engineering #twitter bans people I disagr… https://t.co/aP8bEKYtLm | Feb 17 23:18 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Just because the greedy, social-engineering #twitter bans people I disagree with doesn't mean I won't fight for them https://t.co/8K3Gu80StU | Feb 17 23:18 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- (Re-tweeted by robhines8) | Feb 17 23:18 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.americanthinker.com | Blog: Social media sites getting serious about censoring conservatives | Feb 17 23:18 | |
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| schestowitz | Re: yesterday#s post (transcript ...) | Feb 18 01:03 |
| schestowitz | > Hello Roy, | Feb 18 01:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 18 01:03 |
| schestowitz | > I was surprised to see it being published so fast. | Feb 18 01:03 |
| schestowitz | > But it was good for the mood (for the demo today; no news yet, by the way). | Feb 18 01:03 |
| schestowitz | > The link was spontaneously circulated by someone yesterday night (via private emails). | Feb 18 01:03 |
| schestowitz | > That does not happen often. So, it shows that people liked the post. | Feb 18 01:03 |
| schestowitz | > thanks for that! | Feb 18 01:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 18 01:03 |
| schestowitz | > An internet search for 'epo tv report demonstration' | Feb 18 01:03 |
| schestowitz | > now gets people quite directly to two techrights posts on the matter. | Feb 18 01:03 |
| schestowitz | > good work! | Feb 18 01:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 18 01:03 |
| schestowitz | > read you soon | Feb 18 01:03 |
| schestowitz | I tried hard to find reports, tweets....ANYTHING.... about today's protest. | Feb 18 01:03 |
| schestowitz | But nada, zilch. Media blackout. Also social media silence. | Feb 18 01:03 |
| schestowitz | Hope it was well attended. | Feb 18 01:03 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/susanmcgraw88/status/700123193936363520 | Feb 18 06:46 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@susanmcgraw88: @schestowitz @AmarShekhar26 Remarkable genius. Thankful. | Feb 18 06:46 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/HelwaniNose/status/700187667032629248 | Feb 18 06:48 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@HelwaniNose: is the modern version of marie-antoinette phrase now: "If theyre thirsty, let them drink Glacéau Smartwater!"? https://t.co/sJZAexJqdO | Feb 18 06:48 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Flint Residents May Have Been Drinking PFCs in Addition to Lead https://t.co/QsMEDwNlaJ #flint #water #michigan | Feb 18 06:48 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/HelwaniNose/status/700189700573810688 https://twitter.com/HelwaniNose/status/700190812928417792 | Feb 18 06:49 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@HelwaniNose: @schestowitz have u seen mental midgets @ Rep 'debate' which 1 can be bigger war criminal? if these r leaders then Idiocracy is already here | Feb 18 06:49 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@HelwaniNose: @schestowitz 4 balance i add: seeing Clinton pose w/ Kissinger, later Albright is like watching Satan meet Lord Palpatine: The End of Times | Feb 18 06:49 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Europaeisches-Patentamt-feuert-Gewerkschaftsfuehrung-3072675.html | Feb 18 06:53 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.heise.de | Europäisches Patentamt feuert Gewerkschaftsführung | heise online | Feb 18 06:53 | |
| schestowitz | no coverage about latest protest | Feb 18 06:53 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7048082 | Feb 18 06:56 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The #nsa is LYING.... AGAIN. There was NO crypto used. Famous fact. http://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/paris-attacks-would-not-have-happened-without-use-of-encryption-us-nsa-chief http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/02/nsas-director-says-paris-attacks-would-not-have-happened-without-crypto/ http://www.expatica.com/fr/news/country-news/Paris-attacks-linked-to-encryption-NSA-chief_590254.html | Feb 18 06:56 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.straitstimes.com | Paris attacks would not have happened without use of encrypted communications: US NSA chief, Europe News & Top Stories - The Straits Times [ http://ur1.ca/ojc0f ] | Feb 18 06:56 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> arstechnica.com | NSA’s director says Paris attacks “would not have happened” without crypto | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/ojc0g ] | Feb 18 06:56 | |
| schestowitz | "But if they succeed in frightening enough people, the facts don’t matter." | Feb 18 06:56 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.expatica.com | Paris attacks linked to encryption: NSA chief | French News | Expatica France [ http://ur1.ca/ojc0h ] | Feb 18 06:56 | |
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| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxActionShow/comments/45qzv8/microsoft_continues_to_use_software_patents_to/ | Feb 18 07:34 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | Microsoft Continues to Use Software Patents to Extort/Blackmail Even More Companies That Use Linux, Forcing/Coercing Them Into Preinstalling Microsoft : LinuxActionShow [ http://ur1.ca/oiq50 ] | Feb 18 07:34 | |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:34 |
| schestowitz | I'm not saying the article's author's analysis isn't correct, but his attitude as an anti-Microsoft evangelist comes out really forcefully with terms like "vista 10" and "Microsoft malware". | Feb 18 07:34 |
| schestowitz | I'm not saying he's incorrect, but being an extremist will not win you any points with the uneducated and mostly unopinionated majority - which is who we want to target after all (otherwise it's just preaching to the choir). | Feb 18 07:34 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:34 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmasterrace/comments/45wltz/microsoft_continues_to_use_software_patents_to/ | Feb 18 07:35 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | Microsoft Continues to Use Software Patents to Extort/Blackmail Even More Companies That Use Linux, Forcing/Coercing Them Into Preinstalling Microsoft : linuxmasterrace [ http://ur1.ca/ojc7j ] | Feb 18 07:35 | |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:35 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I'm missing something, but if, say, Acer is selling laptops with preloaded linux, on what grounds does MS sue? Samsung, with its android platform, a vassal of MS? | Feb 18 07:35 |
| schestowitz | I don't doubt MS's nefarious intentions, but how is this possible? | Feb 18 07:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:35 |
| schestowitz | Software patents are often pretty vague and can sometimes deal with pretty generic concepts that are widely implemented (for example, the shopping cart patent). | Feb 18 07:35 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft probably has a selection of such genetic patents that could be applied to GNU/Linux distributions if Microsoft bothered. They aren't going to do so as long as everyone keeps buying computers from OEMs with Microsoft software (even if you take it off later). However, OEMs that stray too far will get brought to heel by patent threats, and since a settlement is cheaper than taking the case to court, Microsoft can patent troll their way | Feb 18 07:35 |
| schestowitz | into controlling OEMs. | Feb 18 07:35 |
| schestowitz | They apparently have several such patents that also apply to Android. | Feb 18 07:35 |
| schestowitz | Chances are a well funded company could fight it out all the way in the courts and get such a patent invalidated... but that would cost more than just settling. | Feb 18 07:35 |
| schestowitz | Incidentally, this is why everyone was freaking out about the United States accepting software patents, and why it's a big deal when the United States tries to expand the reach of US-style intellectual property law overseas through trade deals. | Feb 18 07:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:35 |
| schestowitz | Capitalism is just like communism except it needed a bit more time to become overly corrupt and dictatoric. It will be censored by corporations and people will be kept away from making their own businesses through court and people will use their products through social pressure(to serve as an extra lock on our door). I await the time when microsoft will be so huge that he can blackmail every one of us one by one. Or can he now? | Feb 18 07:35 |
| schestowitz | We have not much time left. There are decreasing number of governments(the last authority to keep them in bay) who can do something aganist it. | Feb 18 07:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:35 |
| schestowitz | "I hate to be the butthurt leftie here, but corrupt countries such as the USSR, China and North Korea are not communist. They're state capitalist." | Feb 18 07:35 |
| schestowitz | "This has nothing to do with the free market. Microsoft is specifically using coercive tactics backed by government regulation to bully people.' | Feb 18 07:36 |
| schestowitz | "So, you don't believe that the government protecting [intellectual] property rights is a legitimate function of a government in a free market economy?" | Feb 18 07:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:36 |
| schestowitz | The problem is that software patents are often incredibly vague, and often the claim that a company has to a software patent is questionable. Companies that take out software patents often look for common algorithms and techniques (ones that they often did not invent) and claim ownership. They then basically just use the patents as legal weapons in courts. | Feb 18 07:36 |
| schestowitz | Every aspect of the US government (and many other world governments) is incredibly corrupt. Anarchism really is the only sane system, a government by the people without rulers. | Feb 18 07:36 |
| schestowitz | ' | Feb 18 07:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:36 |
| schestowitz | I agree, however I also do not support free markets. | Feb 18 07:36 |
| schestowitz | My comment was aimed at people who do support private property, and the enforcement of property rights by governments. These are generally regarded as requirements for free markets. Software patents are a very clear example of an edge case where property rights are just blatantly flawed. | Feb 18 07:36 |
| schestowitz | ' | Feb 18 07:36 |
| schestowitz | Personal attacjs: | Feb 18 07:36 |
| schestowitz | "Please, don't use TechRights as source. lot of circlejerking with no facts." | Feb 18 07:36 |
| schestowitz | No facts that he likes maybe... | Feb 18 07:36 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/45ri55/microsoft_continues_to_use_software_patents_to/ | Feb 18 07:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | Microsoft Continues to Use Software Patents to Extort/Blackmail Even More Companies That Use Linux, Forcing/Coercing Them Into Preinstalling Microsoft : technology [ http://ur1.ca/oiqv4 ] | Feb 18 07:36 | |
| schestowitz | Not sure what to think, as the language shows that the writer has a very strong anti-MS sentiment. | Feb 18 07:36 |
| schestowitz | Are there more articles about similar cases written by the others? | Feb 18 07:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:37 |
| schestowitz | "Tell me about it. I tried to give it a good read, but I barely got into it before I decided "well, this guys is being very alarmist and biased. I'm not going to trust anything he says."' | Feb 18 07:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:37 |
| schestowitz | It's kind of obvious Microsoft has been strongarming OEMs for years to not use other operating systems, even if they are Linux-based. I think there was a rumor that Microsoft even asks OEMs to pay for FreeDOS, which is a Linux-version of DOS, and as you can imagine unusable as an operating systems. Some OEMs sell laptops with it in countries where they know Windows is pirated and people wouldn't pay for Windows licenses (that come bundled | Feb 18 07:37 |
| schestowitz | with the laptop) anyway. | Feb 18 07:37 |
| schestowitz | Also, Microsoft has begun a couple of years ago to start asking OEMs for patent royalties even from Chromebook makers. So yeah, I do think they are doing stuff like this to make it that much more likely that OEMs don't have an incentive to switch away from Windows because they'd have to pay the same or almost the same anyway. | Feb 18 07:37 |
| schestowitz | Anti-trust bodies should be looking into this because I think it's very anti-competitive and only serves to maintain Microsoft's PC monopoly, which I think is bad for everyone, including Windows fans, because you never know when Microsoft makes something as intrusive as Windows 10 or worse, and then you're stuck with no real choice, because the growth of the Linux ecosystem was stifled by Microsoft. | Feb 18 07:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:37 |
| schestowitz | "Linux and FreeDOS are two completely different operating systems. They are unrelated in almost every way, except both being open source. " | Feb 18 07:37 |
| schestowitz | "the us gov pulled in M$ i think the 90's for doing shit like this" | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp_v_Commission | Feb 18 07:38 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.wikipedia.org | Microsoft Corp v Commission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/ocs7p ] | Feb 18 07:38 | |
| schestowitz | "Yeah. That was back before the new "Companies Are Exempt from all Rules and Consequences. All Hail The Corporate Overloards"-Act, known as "Citizens" ironically." | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | "I'd find his site more credible if all of his references weren't just links to other articles on his site..." | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | "Edit: I made a poo poo | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | Personal attack again: | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | "Techrights.org is well known to be a neckbeard conspiracy site that considers Microsoft to be the great satan. Nobody takes it seriously except for hardcore Linux fans." | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | "This should be put into the OP/ED section of the news, rather than the info section..." | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | "I love reddit comments on articles like this. Clearly there is no reason to go read the real article in this case." | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, it's amazing at how thought terminating it is. | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | Welp, "it looks biased".. guess we're done. No need to read it or anything. | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | This quote " This isn’t even Microsoft software being put on these devices. Microsoft does not really make software anymore, it just makes malware/spyware"... was when I stopped reading. Such talk shows he is politicking and not speaking like a professional. | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | This is more op/ed and not news, as most of his points are personal and not providing any tangible fact aside from what he linked within the article. | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:38 |
| schestowitz | I don't know what to think, also I hardly consider Android to be Linux. | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | He's calling Microsoft apps spyware. I don't know if that is reasonable, but I don't expect that it is. | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | I'm less happy with how hard it is to install Linux on most efi devices. | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | "Seriously, when people use the word "Linux" to refer to an operating system, 99% of the time, they mean GNU+Linux." | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | I hardly consider Android to be Linux | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | It runs the Linux kernel and that's what MS is using for their patent shakedowns. | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | MS seems to be really shizophrenic at the moment. You have the Azure lot saying "We <3 Linux" because...well...they have to or go out of business. Meanwhile the lawyers are running around screaming "Exterminate!" | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | I'm less happy with how hard it is to install Linux on most efi devices. | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | That's mostly the fault of OEMs saying "Screw the standards. It runs Windows. Ship it!". If Steam boxes gain traction, expect that to change. | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | "Windows 10 is as much spyware as Facebook or Android, which are targeted ad driven platforms. If you expect your OS not to track you because you paid for it you are definitely going to be at a loss." | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | I honestly don't know. | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | I personally agree that Linux, especially desktop linux, in which most if not all code is open source is certainly more secure. | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | I also don't believe that Microsoft is collecting anywhere near as much data as has been reported, and that for the most part, it is being blown out of proportion. | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | I don't think that the reporter here is being reasonable. He doesn't mention a single app that Microsoft "forced" onto the android default installation. | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | I think he's either full of shit, or he's horrible at reporting. | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | "Yeah this guy is clearly biased. Still, i bet Microsoft executives have nightmares about FOSS becoming mainstream." | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | As if being forced to use a file system from 1995 on Android SD cards (which doesn't support file sizes larger than 4 GB, isn't optimized for flash, and doesn't support permissions) in order for the card to still be read by every OS wasn't bad enough, here comes more bloatware that you won't be allowed to uninstall without rooting or loading up a custom ROM. | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | Thanks Microsoft. | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | EDIT: How's this off-topic? It paints a portrait of the current situation (bloatware on ANdroid and forced FAT32 usage) pretty much spot-on. Thank god there is cyanogenmod. | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | "Nobody's stopping Google from using ext4 if I'm not mistaken" | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | Compatibility is. Windows, for example, can't read/write to ext4 (IIRC there is an application which can give it read-only capabilities). | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | Then there is the small matter of the SD standard imposing the proprietary exFat. | Feb 18 07:39 |
| schestowitz | "If Google uses ext4 on flash cards, the consumer will wonder why he can't read it when he pulls it out of the mobile device and puts it in the PC." | Feb 18 07:40 |
| schestowitz | "That websites design is horrible." | Feb 18 07:40 |
| schestowitz | "Looks like the guy is trying to slander M$ in the hopes that they pay him to buy his site." | Feb 18 07:40 |
| schestowitz | "Well given the "M$" in your response, are you really that concerned?" | Feb 18 07:40 |
| schestowitz | "It's not because I am not too fond of a company that I can't call out the shills from the other side on their bullshit." | Feb 18 07:40 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:40 |
| schestowitz | I'm just going to comment and assume this is some whiny clickbait article. brb reading. | Feb 18 07:40 |
| schestowitz | Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd I was right. | Feb 18 07:40 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/45p3ml/microsoft_continues_to_use_software_patents_to/ | Feb 18 07:41 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | Microsoft Continues to Use Software Patents to Extort/Blackmail Even More Companies That Use Linux, Forcing/Coercing Them Into Preinstalling Microsoft : linux [ http://ur1.ca/oipft ] | Feb 18 07:41 | |
| schestowitz | "Anyone old enough to remember SCO is not shocked by this." | Feb 18 07:41 |
| schestowitz | "No, not shocked, just a friendly reminder that the "New Microsoft" may not be so new." | Feb 18 07:41 |
| schestowitz | "Isn't it just rezoned reskinned old shit like office? I don't think office has had an innovation in 12 years." | Feb 18 07:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:42 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is generally quite adept at making backoffice, corporate stuff, that's why I also expect Azure to be reasonably successful. Microsoft understands corporate. | Feb 18 07:42 |
| schestowitz | True, there hasn't been much innovation in Office, but it has evolved - and the flip side of that argument is that the competition hasn't innovated either. Of course, that's changing now, but the competition has quite some way to go. Whether that's important or whether a lesser product is "good enough" and has other qualities that make up for it. Personally I use LibreOffice in most cases, it's more pleasant for me to work with generally but | Feb 18 07:42 |
| schestowitz | sometimes I have to use Office to be compatible with colleagues. There are some areas where Office is better, but its overly complex menu structure and illogical access to functionality in general is a total turnoff. | Feb 18 07:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:42 |
| schestowitz | "When Microsoft became the malware I decided to longer support them in any capacity. They suck for most enterprise applications. I'm an MCSE and RHCE, and I do everything I can to avoid Microsoft. Their productsand operating systems are like the clamidia weakening the immune systemand letting more viscous problems in, like the government akin to HIV." | Feb 18 07:42 |
| schestowitz | "Not a win-sysadmin but more of a linux devop myself, so Ms is just slight nuisance that I really don't care much about." | Feb 18 07:42 |
| schestowitz | "Idk Word can now edit PDFs which is neat and newish" | Feb 18 07:43 |
| schestowitz | "but everyone loves bill gates cuz he cured malaria. how can microsoft be bad?" | Feb 18 07:43 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:43 |
| schestowitz | Your comment is malarious." | Feb 18 07:43 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Feb 18 07:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.eyeonwindows.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/microsoft_loves_linux.jpg | Feb 18 07:43 |
| schestowitz | "But... MS said they wuv us. :_(" | Feb 18 07:43 |
| schestowitz | "Does that look like the face of man excited that he's forced to sell linux servers because no one wants microsoft in their cloud? | Feb 18 07:43 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:44 |
| schestowitz | He looks like his demon is hugging him from behind, and he's trying to convince the audience that he's okay, like some abused wife in a tense social situation. | Feb 18 07:44 |
| schestowitz | "Haha, he loves me really, it's just his way..." | Feb 18 07:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:44 |
| schestowitz | "like a rapist loves their victims." | Feb 18 07:44 |
| schestowitz | "They love it because they can extort people with it." | Feb 18 07:44 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish | Feb 18 07:44 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.wikipedia.org | Embrace, extend and extinguish - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/n2o73 ] | Feb 18 07:44 | |
| schestowitz | "This. It makes me worried about Linux a little bit." | Feb 18 07:44 |
| schestowitz | "Old enough? SCO was just a couple of years ago. Kids these days." | Feb 18 07:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:44 |
| schestowitz | Couple of years? | Feb 18 07:44 |
| schestowitz | Try closer to 13... | Feb 18 07:44 |
| schestowitz | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_SCO/Linux_controversies | Feb 18 07:44 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.m.wikipedia.org | Timeline of SCO/Linux controversies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/ojc97 ] | Feb 18 07:44 | |
| schestowitz | Crazy how long it's been going eh? | Feb 18 07:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:44 |
| schestowitz | But but 2003 was like a couple years ago... | Feb 18 07:44 |
| schestowitz | Oh no, am I old now? | Feb 18 07:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:45 |
| schestowitz | "Yes, welcome to the club. You will receieve your walking cane in the mail shortly." | Feb 18 07:45 |
| schestowitz | "It didn't really get resolved until recently. So it's been about as long as the US has been the middle east." | Feb 18 07:45 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft was around in the 1950's?" | Feb 18 07:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:45 |
| schestowitz | There's a lot of people on this site who were in their diapers when that shit was going down. I say it for their benefit. | Feb 18 07:45 |
| schestowitz | That shit started over 13 to 14 years ago | Feb 18 07:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:45 |
| schestowitz | "I still don't get what Microsoft has to do with ASUSTek. They are not even in the same platform or industry (OS Software vs Hardware components). Trying to pass a judgement on what ASUSTek can and cannot sell is nothing but trolling on part of Microsoft." | Feb 18 07:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:46 |
| schestowitz | If the bully's product (the OS) is a crucial part of your products (laptops, PCs), it may make you want to listen to what the bully has to say. It's a classic dilemma: You want to break free of the stranglehold, in order to do that you need to implement your new strategy while at the same time continue with your old strategy. | Feb 18 07:46 |
| schestowitz | The bully has this stranglehold on your old strategy and will use that to stop you from implementing new strategies. | Feb 18 07:46 |
| schestowitz | Samsung is doing it because they have the weight and product diversity to face them off, Asus is much more of a one-horse company and therefore more vulnerable. | Feb 18 07:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:46 |
| schestowitz | It's a classic dilemma: You want to break free of the stranglehold | Feb 18 07:46 |
| schestowitz | But why don't they absolutely decline and say NO to Windows and sell only Linux or zero-OS laptops? Most people buying ASUS are power-users anyway, they shouldn't mind formatting and doing a clean install of their OS of choice. | Feb 18 07:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:46 |
| schestowitz | "Risk. It would be huge risk to just stop using system that has gotten you this far and just start from scratch. Shareholders and such would probably have a heart attack if Asus would announce such plan and suddenly the stock would plummet." | Feb 18 07:46 |
| schestowitz | "If they all had heart attacks, there would be nobody left to sell the stocks..." | Feb 18 07:46 |
| schestowitz | "Not sure if this situation is accounted for within that system. Maybe they would default by itself or be inhereted so the kids could sell them or such. | Feb 18 07:46 |
| schestowitz | "a successful implementation of a recursive algorithm for bringing ultra-capitalism down" | Feb 18 07:46 |
| schestowitz | "You are now a moderator of /r/Pyongyang" | Feb 18 07:46 |
| schestowitz | "Capitalism is increasingly showing its less attractive side. The stock market is controlled by hedge fund managers that reward absolutely cut throat tactics. For example, Walmart gave their work force a small pay raise and was punished by losing tens of billions in stock value. Leading to closing a lot of stores...and ending thousands of jobs. Conversely, these same hedge fund managers are heaping gigantic financial rewards to companies that | Feb 18 07:47 |
| schestowitz | gleefully participate in our governments Orwellian push to see and record absolutely everything. The 2015 "bull market" was caused by the stock activity of the biggest participators.....Google, Microsoft, Facebook, and Apple. Leaving one to wonder about the participation levels of the other stock market leaders.....Amazon and Netflix. Though I can hardly bring myself to believe that Amazon is ethically gutless enough to voluntarily become an | Feb 18 07:47 |
| schestowitz | arm of our dystopian government." | Feb 18 07:47 |
| schestowitz | "The fact that Amazon is still in business at all is proof that they are an arm of our dystopian government. Maybe not voluntarily, but that doesn't really matter." | Feb 18 07:47 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:47 |
| schestowitz | Capitalism is increasingly showing its less attractive side. | Feb 18 07:47 |
| schestowitz | that ship kind of sailed even before home computers were a thing lol | Feb 18 07:47 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:47 |
| schestowitz | "lol" | Feb 18 07:47 |
| schestowitz | "I like your sense of humor." | Feb 18 07:47 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:48 |
| schestowitz | Most people buying ASUS are power-users anyway, | Feb 18 07:48 |
| schestowitz | I HIGHLY doubt this to be true. | Feb 18 07:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:48 |
| schestowitz | This is both true and false, in my opinion. | Feb 18 07:48 |
| schestowitz | ASUS as an OEM of desktops and some laptops are not for power users (The VivoPC series). Though they do make some higher end pre-built products (ex. Republic of Gamers series mid to low higher tier and Gamer Series - mid higher tier), most of the power user spectrum things are the hardware from ASUS that you would use while building a PC. | Feb 18 07:48 |
| schestowitz | They make good motherboards and honestly, they are usually the first ones I look at anymore but if I'm recommending a prebuilt PC to someone they are usually not on my Radar at all, even if they want to throw money at performance. It is also my opinion that their high end routers (ex. ASUS RT-AC5300 for around $400) are mostly marketing and too high of a price point but some people swear by them, so I could be wrong about that part. | Feb 18 07:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:48 |
| schestowitz | "They also make pretty decent GPUs from my experience so far. A high-end GPU is pretty much limited to the enthusiast market by virtue of its price." | Feb 18 07:48 |
| schestowitz | "Yeah that's what I was talking about with components. ASUS is a great brand for that but I don't consider them particularly part of the enthusiast market as an OEM for pre built or tablets for that matter. Those aren't really for power users in my opinion." | Feb 18 07:48 |
| schestowitz | "You haven't walked around a tech-oriented campus, have you? It certainly isn't a majority, but a plurality for sure. | Feb 18 07:48 |
| schestowitz | "A majority of power users buying Asus is different from a majority of Asus customers being power users." | Feb 18 07:48 |
| schestowitz | "This is the better way to describe it, thank you." | Feb 18 07:49 |
| schestowitz | http://i.imgur.com/AkQaXMw.png | Feb 18 07:49 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:49 |
| schestowitz | I've walked around a non-tech-oriented campus and there are plenty of ASUS laptops there with plenty of non-power-users using them. | Feb 18 07:49 |
| schestowitz | I work at an IT helpdesk on said campus, and we get plenty of not-so-tech-savvy people come in with their ASUS. More so than the elusive tech-savvy ASUS people. | Feb 18 07:49 |
| schestowitz | I don't really know if ASUS is even targeting the power user market when this is on Walmart's home page right now. | Feb 18 07:49 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:49 |
| schestowitz | "Typically the tech-savvy people are not going to bother IT as they want to take all the steps they can to fix their problem. I would know as I have sat on both sides of the help desk. The only time I ever asked for help at my school was getting my MAC address entered correctly so I could get internet access." | Feb 18 07:49 |
| schestowitz | "Ew you're school required MAC address to use the net. Is this common practice?" | Feb 18 07:49 |
| schestowitz | "Mine did, the network basically firewalled unknown MACs. It was an easier system compared to forcing everyone to use RADIUS (which was not supported by every device students would use). | Feb 18 07:49 |
| schestowitz | "I don't know about other campuses, but it was to help enforce keeping high school students off who had Ds, Fs, or Incompletes in their quarterly grades." | Feb 18 07:50 |
| schestowitz | "Not lately. I graduated in 2015." | Feb 18 07:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:50 |
| schestowitz | More so than the elusive tech-savvy ASUS people. | Feb 18 07:50 |
| schestowitz | I'd call that a bias. haha. I didn't say I agreed with "most". I do agree that a larger portion of your Asus users are going to be a little higher on the techy list. | Feb 18 07:50 |
| schestowitz | ' | Feb 18 07:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:50 |
| schestowitz | A majority of all computer users on a 'tech-oriented campus' (whatever that is) are going to be power users regardless of laptop choice. | Feb 18 07:50 |
| schestowitz | a larger portion of your Asus users are going to be a little higher on the techy list | Feb 18 07:50 |
| schestowitz | Can you explain why you believe this? | Feb 18 07:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:50 |
| schestowitz | "How Asus does a majority of their marketing and where their largest profits tend to land. That is typically in motherboard and graphics sales last I saw, not laptops. Laptops are important, but it seems a lot of their advertisements are for components, not systems." | Feb 18 07:50 |
| schestowitz | "Really? Because the last time I checked ASUS shipped a substantially higher number of mobile units than PC units in 2015. The crossover point was between 2015 Q1 and 2015 Q2. I mean, just looking at the investor presentation paints a clear picture that ASUS' focus on gaming (and PC components) is dwarfed by their other areas of interest, especially mobile. " | Feb 18 07:50 |
| schestowitz | "I stand corrected." | Feb 18 07:51 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:51 |
| schestowitz | Without insights into the profile of their average customer, it's hard to say if this is a smart business move or not. It's very possible Asus laptops are bought by a non-trivial amount of the technologically inept. Asus laptops are styled well and are alluring. | Feb 18 07:51 |
| schestowitz | I would love to see any laptop manufacturer at the very least diversify their range and offer Linux laptops with an optional Windows upgrade should they find they are not getting on well with Linux. | Feb 18 07:51 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:51 |
| schestowitz | "A lot of them do. My Dell Inspiron came with Ubuntu 12.04 (and also an Ubuntu sticker!). If you go to Ebay/Amazon and filter on "Linux", "FreeDOS" and "No OS", you can see quite a good number of laptops! From what I've observed, Samsung and ASUS have the most laptops in this Non-Windows category, while Dell and Lenovo are just starting to offer them on few models. HP and Toshiba, for some reason, seem to want to stick with Microsoft.' | Feb 18 07:51 |
| schestowitz | "I've got the Dell Vostro 3560 with Ubuntu on it. Sticker as well." | Feb 18 07:51 |
| schestowitz | "HP are the only one on ebuyer that have a Linux laptop." | Feb 18 07:51 |
| schestowitz | "Windows is an "upgrade"? Couldn't pay me to put win 10 spyware on my lappy." | Feb 18 07:51 |
| schestowitz | "It's an upgrade to anybody who decides they want it over their Linux OS" | Feb 18 07:51 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:51 |
| schestowitz | No. That's an option. | Feb 18 07:51 |
| schestowitz | An upgrade is always is always objectively better than what is current or default. | Feb 18 07:51 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:51 |
| schestowitz | "Not necessarily. Vista was billed as an "upgrade" to XP, after all, as was Windows 8 to Windows 7 (and Vista and XP)." | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | Vista was billed as an "upgrade" | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | That's called marketing. | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | Although i would argue that, technically, Vista is superior to XP. Just not and upgrade. I can elaborate on the reasons why, if there's interest. | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | I can elaborate on the reasons why, if there's interest. | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | I'd love to hear them, considering that - in my experience and observation - Vista was objectively worse in pretty much every category (much like how Windows 98 was pretty awful compared to both 95 and 98SE). | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | Vista was, partially, the result of the the first iteration of refactoring and detangling of the huge and messy bowl of spaghetti code that was Windows. | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | The development cycle of Vista is closely tied with the development cycle of another canceled Microsoft project, called Windows Longhorn. This was supposed to be the Next version of Windows following XP. It was supposed to introduce a number of features that have since been discontinued or are MIA (e.g. WinFS, a sort of relational database like filesystem (actually it was more of an SQL deamon that abstracted away the file system, but let's | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | call it a filesystem, but whatever)) or have just recently been introduced (e.g. Virtual Desktops). | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | However, during development, it eventually became apparent that the Windows XP code base had grown too large and unruly to work with. There was no clear separation between the various subsystems that make up Windows, and changes to the code base often introduced instability and bugs in totally unrelated subsystems. Additionally, hacks and poor design decisions riddle the code base. Precious gems like, among many others, the mouse cursor and | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | pointer logic, as well as parts of the GDI subsystem (that's the bit that draws windows and menus) being moved into kernel space to improve performance on 486 class machines. | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | This inability to further develop on top of the XP code base kept pushing the release dates ever forward, and eventually Windows Longhorn got canceled (some even say by Big Bill himself). | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | Longhorn is Dead, Long Live Longhorn. Essentially, the in order to mitigate the failure that was the original Longhorn development cycle, and prevent this from ever happening again, the following steps where taken: | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | 1. Start over from scratch on top of the superior code base of Server 2003; | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | 2. Refactor the whole system in order to decouple every subsystem from one another; | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | 3. Only after this refactoring process was completed, where features to be added. | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | This process of refactoring the code base resulted in an OS with a significantly larger install size and memory usage than XP. This is due to the fact that there was a need to packages multiple versions of many libraries and subsystems, because all of them implement features in a slightly different manner and exposed different bugs and features that where relied upon by the various subsystems. As a new Windows Release was already Years behind | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | schedule, there was little to no time to perform additional iterations of the refactoring process and further optimize the code base. That process would have to wait until the development cycle of Windows 7. | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | And this is why people in the know often call Windows 7 Vista SP4. | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | Also, following the release of Windows 7, and building upon this extensive code base refactoring effort, an internal team within MS would, as a technical exercise, developed a tiny version of Windows called MinWin. Video. | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | (Semi)related: ReactOS version 0.4 is under development and is looking really interesting. Check out the SVN Builds. | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | TLDR: Windows Vista detangled the spaghetti! | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | Damn, this is a very interesting and impressive read. Thank you so much for posting! | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | Would give gold if I wasn't so poor | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | "Thank you :)" | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | I suppose, if "upgrade" = must pay more. | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, it would be nice if more laptops came with Linux compatible hardware. | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | "I agree it would be nice if more hardware manufacturers supported Linux, instead of jumping through hoops to make stuff work with Windows Only." | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | For that to happen, we need our governments to actually enforce anti-competition anti-monopoly laws again. | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | They are in place for a damn good reason. | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | "10 is no more spyware than XP through 8.1 already was..." | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | Where you getting your information from? | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | Now they are also pushing "updates" to 7 and 8x that do the same shady shit. Thankfully, it is a lot easier (or at all possible) to stop Microsoft spyware attempts on the older Windows versions. Security minded people have made lists of the KB updates for removal (and a lot more) to get this crap off your Win 7 or 8x system. | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | On 10, Enterprise version, there are instructions for all the hoops businesses need to jump through to ensure security (the jury is still out on this). This shit is absurd as it is, but... | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | There is NO WAY to disable all the spyware for consumer versions of Windows 10 | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | So yes, in Win10, the spyware aspect has been taken to a whole new level. | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | Micosoft is trying to pull an amazing amount of bullshit now. It is astounding to me that our governments are allowing this level of blatant disregard for the safety and security of the citizens they are supposedly in charge of protecting. | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft fully deserves to be slapped down hard for this crap. | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | "I'd love to see a complete ban of Windows 10 in my country! Would make things so much easier." | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | It should be banned in EVERY country, until they comply with basic security and safety standards. | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | Many organizations (government or otherwise) have wisely gone the Open Source route. It really should be required for any company entrusted with such private, sensitive information. | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | Sadly, this is directly against the wishes of the Big Money that our governments work for. :( | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | "What specific things are you talking about? Many of them have been studied and shown that it's not what people think. For example, the key logger.? That's Cortana passing the data on to the server doing the searching." | Feb 18 07:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | Err.. again, where are you getting your information? | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | The security community is up in arms about this crap Microsoft is trying to pull. It has been since the first beta releases. | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | We don't know at all what most of the information they are sending contains. We do know that a lot of it is tied to a unique identifier. This is a Bad Thing. | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | So yes, people do think this is a blatant and unscrupulous invasion of privacy. People that know. I'm not just talking about redditors dude, I mean real security professionals. | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | Please, don't listen to the M$ propaganda from shills that are all over any thread here that mentions Windows or Microsoft. They are obvious, abundant, and annoying as hell. | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | http://lifehacker.com/what-windows-10s-privacy-nightmare-settings-actually-1722267229 | Feb 18 07:54 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-lifehacker.com | What Windows 10's "Privacy Nightmare" Settings Actually Do | Feb 18 07:54 | |
| schestowitz | A lot of the issues were reported from the Insider's program, meaning that a shit ton of the information is only true for the Insider Program. Like I said, for data gathering, it makes sense for the app that's stating that it does it. Key logger? There was a huge one left in Insider that isn't in the release. This was to get feedback and information from people who explicitly knew and accepted it was there. In the release, the only "key | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | logger" is in Cortana, and it's the same "key logger" used by any search engine or website with a search function out there. Apps accessing user data? Outside of the obvious ones, this mainly applied to OneDrive. This is the same thing that happens with Google Drive, Dropbox, iCloud, etc. | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | Any other failure to comprehend the terms of service and privacy policy for Windows 10? | Feb 18 07:54 |
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| schestowitz | Those security issues, I assume you mean the blatant spyware type behavior, is still present in the commercial release of Win10. | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | One little example being fixed does not mean this enormous problem is gone. | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | ALL of it needs to be completely opt-in. Instead, we have to jump through hoops to turn everything off, and in consumer versions of Win10, that is not even possible without hacking. | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | Even in enterprise editions of Win10, we have no real evidence that the steps M$ provides actually turn off all the spyware they have bundled with it. | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | Terms of service do not trump constitutional rights. Go spread that propaganda somewhere else. | Feb 18 07:54 |
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| schestowitz | So far, the only concrete thing you've mentioned is making it opt-in instead of opt-out. Love it or hate it, this isn't exclusive to Windows. OSX has it, Ubuntu had it, many program installers (sure, still limited to Windows) have this. | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | What EXPLICIT issues are you wanting to discuss, or is this a "hurt durr FLOSS rules, closed source sucks" scenario? | Feb 18 07:54 |
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| schestowitz | Err.. again, where are you getting your information? | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | Please, don't listen to the M$ propaganda from shills that are all over any thread here that mentions Windows or Microsoft. They are obvious, abundant, and annoying as hell. | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | Funny considering he's offering specifics and all you have is vague assertions and ad hominem. | Feb 18 07:54 |
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| schestowitz | Seriously though, there is zero excuse for the security & safety abuses Microsoft is pushing on the basic consumer with Win10 (and now even 7 & 8x). | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | The only ad hominem here is yours. | Feb 18 07:54 |
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| schestowitz | "I know and have seen many casual Asus laptop users with windows so what you said conflicts heavily with my experience. It seems to me that most people who buy laptops are not power users." | Feb 18 07:54 |
| schestowitz | "I think that could differ from country to country. Here in India, Dell is quite high on marketing and have their service centers all across the nation (its a different matter that their service sucks, though). ASUS, on the other hand, is quite low on marketing and hardly have any service centers here. However, a quick research tells you that their QA/defect-ratio is much better than Dell, and so is their cooling system. As a result, the | Feb 18 07:55 |
| schestowitz | people who end-up buying ASUS here are those who do a proper research and try not to depend on service centers and buy a reliable laptop instead. In other words, power users or geeks." | Feb 18 07:55 |
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| schestowitz | But why don't they | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | There is no mystery. Developing a new market takes time, during that time, powerful actors in the old market do have substantial leverage. | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | This is par for the course in all business relations, an exclusive supplier is obstructing its customers' efforts to break free. The only reason why this is relevant is the PR campaign to paint the picture of a "new and better Microsoft", they haven't really proven that they've changed, that's all. | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | What I mean is "Let's dispel with this fiction that Microsoft is now a friend of open source" | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | They're in it for the business, which is totally okay, we should just be clear that they're still following the tactics of embrace and extend. | Feb 18 07:56 |
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| schestowitz | and sell only Linux or zero-OS laptops? | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | If they'd want to sell Linux-only laptops they'd first have to make sure to only use components that work on Linux. I mean, I did knew what I was going into when buying my ROG and there's workarounds for things that don't work as they should (the only exception that doesn't work being bluetooth). | Feb 18 07:56 |
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| schestowitz | They have models without Optimus, which is pretty much the only thing not supported as far as I know. | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | I bought a ROG laptop especially to escape Optimus and there's no hardware unsupported in this beast, aside from the built-in memory card reader that first got support with the 3.9 kernel or so the Linux experience has been far better than the Windows experience. | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | As an aside, their custom keys could not be rebound, the subwoofer output could not be adjusted independently (it turns messy on high levels), USB controller would shut down randomly and not be reactivated. Even after multiple driver revisions on Windows. | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | Bluetooth is a good point, but that is notoriously awful on Linux in general, every other PulseAudio update seems to break sound output. Is yours a driver or userland issue? | Feb 18 07:56 |
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| schestowitz | My model doesn't have optimus, but laptop's multimedia keys delay booting for ~20-something seconds unless you pass the correct parameter on boot. As a result, half of fn+[F1-12] combos don't work. | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | Then there's the sound card, which has to be the most fucky realtek card. It has three sockets — headphone, mic and line out. Only the last two work, and the first one doesn't even work on Windows if I reboot (as in reboot, not shutdown and power on) linux with no music playing. | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | Interestingly enough, I've used to have some issues with USB hotplugging no longer working after some time on Linux, though I don't recall which of my laptops exhibited that. | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | As for bluetooth, it's a driver issue (I guess). lspci doesn't even find it. | Feb 18 07:56 |
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| schestowitz | Well shit. What model is it? Mine's a G55WV from 2012. Can confirm is sound card is kinda shit but at least it works sans the horrible digital noise on the internal mic. | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | If yours is newer that has me very sceptical towards buying a RoG next time around, doesn't help that their newer versions are ridiculous designs straight out of a 16yo PC modder's wet dream. I love the uniform stealth look with plain old white backlighting. | Feb 18 07:56 |
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| schestowitz | G751JL. | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | I'm still rather satisfied with it, though. If you need a laptop that can do some gaming on the side, Asus really seems to be the only decent option if your budget is under €1300 (at least that was the case about 6 months ago in my country). You can get around long boot issue. You can get around the headphone jack not working (by using line-out, which always works). I'd only be mad about these issues if Asus was like "gee, look we have a | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | linux laptop". | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | I'm way more mad about Nvidia's proprietary driver that just loves to crap left and right (at least if you're using KDE). If I plug or unplug external monitor, there's 75% chance kwin will crash. (And about 50% chance VTs will only display on the external monitor even though it's been unplugged. GG nVidia). | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | Speaking of the sound card — that's an issue not exclusive to Asus. I've had a friend that had the same issue on a Dell laptop. | Feb 18 07:56 |
| schestowitz | Design: It could really be better — my #1 complaint would be the CD tray: it pops open the moment I look at it the wrong way. Print screen could be on a place that's slightly more difficult to reach and it's a bit tricky to carry it around since it's big. On the flipside, at least the thing doesn't overheat and runs pretty silent when not playing games. My previous laptop would scream on idle, run hot when browsing the web and when playing | Feb 18 07:57 |
| schestowitz | games, you could easily grill stuff on that thing. | Feb 18 07:57 |
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| schestowitz | "Is the BT module actually a hybrid WiFi and BT from Broadcom?" | Feb 18 07:57 |
| schestowitz | "No, wireless module is from Intel.' | Feb 18 07:57 |
| schestowitz | "And the BT module?" | Feb 18 07:57 |
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| schestowitz | If I recall correctly it's that one Broadcom module that doesn't have a linux driver. | Feb 18 07:57 |
| schestowitz | BRB booting Windows. | Feb 18 07:57 |
| schestowitz | EDIT: Also intel, according to the device manager. | Feb 18 07:57 |
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| schestowitz | "Weird because it seems that at least on the newer kernels it is supported." | Feb 18 07:57 |
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| schestowitz | Because it's stupid and you lose 90% of your market share over night? And because while an OEM license that costs you as a manufacturer maybe $10 per PC will cost your consumers $100? | Feb 18 07:57 |
| schestowitz | Or because most people don't want to go through the hassle of spending a day setting up a computer (especially when you factor in finding/installing drivers)? | Feb 18 07:57 |
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| schestowitz | Or because most people don't want to go through the hassle of spending a day setting up a computer (especially when you factor in finding/installing drivers)? | Feb 18 07:57 |
| schestowitz | People should learn to do that, and get rid of the garbage that manufacturers install. | Feb 18 07:57 |
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| schestowitz | People should learn to do a lot of things. Doesn't mean they will or it's a priority for them. I'm a sysadmin, I eat sleep breathe computers. Cars however, I'm very basic. I can change out my oil, pump my gas, replace the air filter, and top off other fluids. | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | Ask me to bleed my brakes, replace transmission fluid, swap out spark plugs, and anything else that isn't just plug and play, I'm lost. Why? Because I have more important things to worry about. | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | Right now I'm working through an ISP outage at work and getting my Exchange servers to sync up their DAGs with our DR site. Me knowing how to do that and researching that take priority over my car since it's attached to my lively hood. I can pay someone for the car stuff. | Feb 18 07:58 |
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| schestowitz | [–]LtWorf_ 5 points 3 days ago | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | Yeah but if my car is broken i go to a mechanic, I don't ask a friend to fix it for free for me. | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | Also. Don't worry now cars will have so many proprietary embedded ICUs that it will be impossible to fix them by yourself. | Feb 18 07:58 |
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| schestowitz | "Modern cars are like proprietary software: you can't see inside." | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | "Ahh.. I wish world was this simple.' | Feb 18 07:58 |
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| schestowitz | Because when your average person walks into best buy and wants to buy a laptop for school for example, they are going to want either a Mac or Windows. Throw them Linux and it's something they have to figure out and there is no end user support. Mac has the Apple store, Windows has pretty much all the major computer retailers and the companies to back them. | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | To throw an accounting major into Linux world would be a shock for them and will make them hate Linux. Then there is also the idea that all of the software that you are used to now needs to be replaced with an alternate or there needs to be another software layer like WINE thrown on top of it. | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | As for ASUS are power users. Maybe in the desktop building world. But in the laptop at a Best Buy, it's no different than an HP or Samsung. They are buying it for the looks, speed, and cost. What speed the CPU runs at or which generation it is the average person doesn't care. | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | I know because I sold these computers at best buy for 4 years. | Feb 18 07:58 |
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| schestowitz | "It's exactly the same in the phone world. I sell phones." | Feb 18 07:58 |
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| schestowitz | Most people buying ASUS are power-users anyway | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | Really? I suspect most people buying ASUS are average Asians buying a pretty laptop from their local brick and mortar store. | Feb 18 07:58 |
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| schestowitz | "Asus has plenty of non-power user customers. This would definitely hurt them. | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | "The same thing applies to states of all kinds." | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | "Yes. Microsoft is not specifically worse than many other companies. They have a lot of leverage which gives them more opportunity to do bad things and they have a market that is not particularly aware of or interested in bad business practices. Google, for example, has a lot more to lose by being seen as "doing evil", and I think they generally are more cautious of being caught doing that. | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | 'BS | Feb 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | "MS has Nokia + Surface, which puts them in direct competition in the smartphone + tablet hardware markets." | Feb 18 07:59 |
| schestowitz | "Follow the money." | Feb 18 07:59 |
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| schestowitz | So, what patents are they using to "strong arm" these companies? If they're running Android/Linux on their own hardware, then what is MS even trying to sue them for? | Feb 18 07:59 |
| schestowitz | I understand that the article is a bit BS, but if there's any truth to any of it, then I'd expect there to be an answer to my question somewhere. | Feb 18 07:59 |
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| schestowitz | So, what patents are they using to "strong arm" these companies? | Feb 18 07:59 |
| schestowitz | That's a very good question, there may not be any. We will probably never know, (Asus might not know either) until someone decides to go to court and stay there to a final verdict, no settlement. | Feb 18 07:59 |
| schestowitz | That's a classic. There's a beautiful story about IBM and Sun. It goes something like this: IBM went to Sun with a totally bogus claim. When they were called out, they were not the least fazed, the IBM lawyers' response was that Sun could either pay up now or they would go home and go through their portfolio until they found something and that would guaranteed be more costly | Feb 18 07:59 |
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| schestowitz | "The article title and the post title mention using patents to strong-arm hardware/system sellers. In the article, however, no mention of patents exists." | Feb 18 07:59 |
| schestowitz | "OP got his karma. What do you expect? An argument? Sources? He's started a circlejerk. His work is done" | Feb 18 07:59 |
| schestowitz | "Yeah, sadly this is how most of reddit works. Read the headline, maybe peruse the article, but don't actually verify that the article is correct. Just upvote to agree." | Feb 18 07:59 |
| schestowitz | "To his credit. Pretty big circlejerk... | Feb 18 07:59 |
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| schestowitz | "Is there any pro-linux news source left that doesn't write crap like "Microsoft does not really make software anymore, it just makes malware/spyware like Vista 10"? I get it, they have their agenda and they want to emphasise some issues. But there's a line where those cheap shots get to the level of Slashdot / M$. | Feb 18 08:00 |
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| schestowitz | I've always had a hard time regarding Techrights as a "news source." It's a lot of crap writing, hyperbole, and statements meant to incite. | Feb 18 08:00 |
| schestowitz | It, however, is the same thing that plagues FOSS. Talking about why the other guy sucks, and not why FOSS is better. It's the thing that has driven me crazy about the FOSS community for...well, the last 20 years since I was introduced to it. | Feb 18 08:00 |
| schestowitz | The fact is Microsoft is going to do what companies do. They will keep trying to strong-arm to make sure profits go up. They are no different than any other company in this regard. They have just been more successful (Microsoft and Walmart are probably the two companies who have been most successful at this). | Feb 18 08:00 |
| schestowitz | The idea that a company should be expected to play nicely and help their competitors get ahead is ridiculous. The best one can hope for is for them to place fairly. Well, Microsoft is in a position where they don't have to play fairly to keep raking in the cash. | Feb 18 08:00 |
| schestowitz | The community's time could be spent far better trying to make Linux a viable desktop alternative. I love Linux and I love FOSS and use it everywhere I can but the facts are the facts: Linux is no where in terms of desktop, especially at the enterprise level. It's gotten much better for home use, but there are so many programs that only run on Windows. | Feb 18 08:00 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, our energy could be must better spent instead of the latest "OMG MS EVIL!" They're a company. People should get over it. | Feb 18 08:00 |
| schestowitz | By the way, not defending MS. Just stating how it is. I'm actually pretty anti-corporation. And I really don't like MS which is why I don't give them money or use their products at home. | Feb 18 08:01 |
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| schestowitz | The fact is Microsoft is going to do what companies do. | Feb 18 08:01 |
| schestowitz | You can make money by being a hit man. The fact that "it's just business" to the hit man does not negate the fact that he kills people. Not every means for making money is excusable simply because that's "what companies do." Even if the hit man finds a legal loophole, we consumers should do what we can to make up for such deficiencies in the system. | Feb 18 08:01 |
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| schestowitz | Equating MS to killing people is a but of a far reach. My point was that companies almost always try to beat down their competitors. And mega corporations definitely do. I didn't defend MS tactics. In fact, I even pointed out I'm anti-corporate. | Feb 18 08:01 |
| schestowitz | All I was saying is that it's not surprising and articles like this are not real journalism. It's not even news. | Feb 18 08:01 |
| schestowitz | News Flash: Company doesn't want competition! | Feb 18 08:01 |
| schestowitz | Wouldn't be much of a news flash. | Feb 18 08:01 |
| schestowitz | As for we competitors, well, we have collectively allowed MS to become this powerful. And now, Pandora's Box is open. We can sit here and criticize them for the same tactics every company does (remember, I'm anti corporate ) or we can actually try to fix it. | Feb 18 08:01 |
| schestowitz | Or, we can just ignore them and give the best product we can and not worry about trying to take over MS. That's my pick. | Feb 18 08:01 |
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| schestowitz | "He's not equating Microsoft with a hit man. He's illustrating the flaw in excusing evil behavior in situations where it supposedly comes natural. And yes, you are excusing Microsoft even though you condemn their behavior. It's the same line of thinking behind saying something like "boys will be boys," only you're saying "business will be business."" | Feb 18 08:01 |
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| schestowitz | I realize he's not equating it. Despite another poster's accusation, I'm not an idiot. I just don't like those kind of comparisons. | Feb 18 08:01 |
| schestowitz | No, I'm not defending them. I did defend for a short time but I also admit I was incorrect and they really are still as stupid as ever. | Feb 18 08:01 |
| schestowitz | What I really wish is when people would read entire posts instead of grabbing one thing that was said. | Feb 18 08:01 |
| schestowitz | The way corporations act are facts. They are allowed to act that way. It does not make it right, but it's fact. Until people collectively stop buying products, it won't change. The most we can do is try not to support them. That's where I'm at. I actively avoid buying things from corporations when I can. | Feb 18 08:01 |
| schestowitz | Now, my arguement has NOT been "MS is fine." My arguement is they are a company and expecting them to act like a non-profit or some benevolent organization is naive. The reasons standards came into play was because no company would actually work together. Standards helped but no one should expect warm fuzziness from a corporation. Corporations are not good, kind entities. | Feb 18 08:01 |
| schestowitz | They will continue to act like every other mega corporation. My arguement also stated that articles like this do nothing. And, as I said elsewhere, just make us look negative. The same issue I saw 20 years ago. It's not about why Linux/FOSS is good. It's just all "MS EVIL." It gets old really quick and has the potential to make us all look stupid (same way people don't want to hear a street preacher trying to convert people by spewing | Feb 18 08:01 |
| schestowitz | negativity). | Feb 18 08:01 |
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| schestowitz | Equating MS to killing people is a but of a far reach. | Feb 18 08:02 |
| schestowitz | Actually that's not a bad comparison. Anyone whose been around a while has heard about the Halloween Documents, earlier techies probably remember the whole 'Windows 95 ain't done until Lotus won't run!" chant and just looking at the long history of legal cases where the company was destroyed and its only asset left was a lawsuit that the now moribund company won in court for wrong-doing by Microsoft misusing their monopoly as a weapon to | Feb 18 08:02 |
| schestowitz | destroy competition, even supposed partners and allies. | Feb 18 08:02 |
| schestowitz | There's a long long history of this. Yeah, I can see Microsoft as a corporate hitman. It fits many of the facts. | Feb 18 08:02 |
| schestowitz | Caldera, Wordperfect, Corel, IBM, Spyglass, Apple, Palm, Be, Stac Electronics, Go, etc etc...all companies that were heavily wounded or destroyed by Microsoft's anti-competitive and monopolistic behavior. | Feb 18 08:02 |
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| schestowitz | "Still not the same as taking a human life." | Feb 18 08:02 |
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| schestowitz | Still not the same as taking a human life. | Feb 18 08:02 |
| schestowitz | Didn't you know? Corporations are people, my friend. /s | Feb 18 08:02 |
| schestowitz | And sarcasm aside, those were companies that employed many people until they were stabbed in the back by Microsoft. Would you accept that sort of behavior from any other company? | Feb 18 08:02 |
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| schestowitz | I don't accept that from any company. It's why I don't give money to MS. I also don't give money to Walmart, Nestle, or Menards. | Feb 18 08:02 |
| schestowitz | And while they do some crappy things, non are the same as killing a person (Nestle comes the closest). | Feb 18 08:02 |
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| schestowitz | All I was saying is that it's not surprising | Feb 18 08:02 |
| schestowitz | No, it's aggravating and that's what people are expressing. No one is acting surprised. Stop with the Straw man shit. It's no better than the fake journalism you're whining about. | Feb 18 08:02 |
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| schestowitz | Okay. I wouldn't really call it strawman since I'm not representing or misrepresenting anything. I stated a fact. Corporatism != killing (okay, sometimes it does when actual killing is involved). | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | You don't agree with me, fine. But going down to insulting me because you don't like it is ridiculous. | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | What I find kind of funny about this whole thing though is I DON'T AGREE WITH MICROSOFT OR CORPORATIONS IN GENERAL. I never defended it to the degree of "It's totally cool when companies try to screw everyone." But, it doesn't seem to matter because there are a few here that seem to think I do. | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, you and I disagree. That's totally cool. I'm fine with that. It's what keeps discussions alive. But, for the love of everything holy, if what I am doing is considered "straw man" (by the way, what is it about the internet expecting everyone to be a philosophy major...at least I think logic falls under philosophy?), then so are you. Because you, along with others, have nitpicked my post to find what you don't like instead of seeing | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | everything I wrote. | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | I think I may be done with this post, though. I have no problem with people not agreeing with me, but the fact that my points are completely ignored is tiring because after reading a couple replies, I feel like if I had been pro-MS and pro-corporate, I would take all this much easier as I would expect everyone in here to completely hate me. | Feb 18 08:03 |
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| schestowitz | I wouldn't really call it strawman since I'm not representing or misrepresenting anything. I stated a fact. Corporatism != killing | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | The strawman I was talking about was the one I quoted in my previous comment. You infer that people are stupid for being surprised. If we're surprised then we're made of straw and it's easy to burn us down. No one is actually surprised but you need that to be true for your argument to work. That's a strawman. | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | I stated a fact. Corporatism != killing | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | Yes you stated a fact but it's not relevant here. It's not relevant because no one was saying that. I'm sorry you didn't understand the analogy. The comparison is that both the hit man and the corporation are making money. The take away is that making money doesn't make it right because clearly it isn't right when the hitman does his dirty deeds. It was an example of money not justifying actions taken to acquire it. It was not an instance of | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | me equating corporatism to killing. | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | There's a prolific pattern that looks like this: | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | Of course x did y it's what x types do. It's not surprising. | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | Despite being prolific, it's not particularly worth while commentary. I believe I've adequately pointed out its shortcomings. | Feb 18 08:03 |
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| schestowitz | Ah. Gotcha. Well, first, I didn't mean to infer people were stupid. My only point was that we shouldn't be surprised. Not that people were stupid if they were surprised. My apologies on that one. | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | As for the rest of your post, no reason to be condescending. I'm actually not an idiot. Just because I didn't agree with your analogy doesn't mean I didn't get it. Perhaps it didn't come across as me understanding. Perhaps you don't mean to be condescending. Perhaps this is why internet discussions aren't that great. | Feb 18 08:03 |
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| schestowitz | "My story is pretty much like you. I am presently learing python gtk to write GNOME apps and contribute as much as I can to FOSS. Rather than whining about Microsoft' business practices, lets do the thing that could really teach them a lesson, lets make GNOME and KDE better." | Feb 18 08:03 |
| schestowitz | "Only until it gets successful. Then a Mircrosoft lawyer will visit to demand payment of tolls license fees for supposed patent violations and/or distribute all their apps and spyware, for free." | Feb 18 08:03 |
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| schestowitz | If Microsoft does outright trolling like Oracle, it will finish off whatever little rapport it has established with the FOSS world. They can't even afford to do that because a lot of Windows is written by C# FOSS Devs and if they start leaving the ship, it won't be long before lots of users do too. | Feb 18 08:04 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is hence trying to sail in two boats, on one hand trying to create this "New Microsoft" image, and on the other continuing to silently continuing its old practices. | Feb 18 08:04 |
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| schestowitz | a lot of Windows is written by C# FOSS Devs | Feb 18 08:04 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft open-sourced .NET a few months ago, those FOSS Devs have worked with and for the framework much before that and I don't think anybody writes FOSS in C# because Microsoft started to play nice. | Feb 18 08:04 |
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| schestowitz | LOL | Feb 18 08:04 |
| schestowitz | @@ | Feb 18 08:04 |
| schestowitz | http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm | Feb 18 08:04 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-linux.oneandoneis2.org | Linux is NOT Windows | Feb 18 08:04 | |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:04 |
| schestowitz | The community's time could be spent far better trying to make Linux a viable desktop alternative. I love Linux and I love FOSS and use it everywhere I can but the facts are the facts: Linux is no where in terms of desktop, especially at the enterprise level. It's gotten much better for home use, but there are so many programs that only run on Windows. | Feb 18 08:04 |
| schestowitz | I don't know how old this article is but whenever I see post like yours saying GNU/Linux needs to grow as a viable desktop alternative I remember it. | Feb 18 08:04 |
| schestowitz | The article's problem #7 answers your question beautifully. I used to wonder about GNU/Linux's future as a desktop alternative too, but this article gave me a good alternate perspective. | Feb 18 08:04 |
| schestowitz | Linux is not interested in market share. Linux does not have customers. Linux does not have shareholders, or a responsibility to the bottom line. Linux was not created to make money. Linux does not have the goal of being the most popular and widespread OS on the planet. All the Linux community wants is to create a really good, fully-featured, free operating system. If that results in Linux becoming a hugely popular OS, then that's great. | Feb 18 08:04 |
| schestowitz | If that results in Linux having the most intuitive, user-friendly interface ever created, then that's great. If that results in Linux becoming the basis of a multi-billion dollar industry, then that's great. It's great , but it's not the point . The point is to make Linux the best OS that the community is capable of making. Not for other people: For itself. The oh-so-common threats of "Linux will never take over the desktop unless it does | Feb 18 08:04 |
| schestowitz | such-and-such" are simply irrelevant: The Linux community isn't trying to take over the desktop. They really don't care if it gets good enough to make it onto your desktop, so long as it stays good enough to remain on theirs. The highly-vocal MS-haters, pro-Linux zealots, and money-making FOSS purveyors might be loud, but they're still minorities. | Feb 18 08:04 |
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| schestowitz | I remember that article. Not too bad. I should clarify. I personally think Linux is fine, but it shouldn't be regarded as a competitor to MS on the desktop...and that's fine. | Feb 18 08:04 |
| schestowitz | I just meant that if one is going to blast MS then do something about it. They're just doing what big corporations do and it's no sense expecting anything different. | Feb 18 08:04 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | The Linux community isn't trying to take over the desktop. They really don't care if it gets good enough to make it onto your desktop, so long as it stays good enough to remain on theirs. | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | This article, while widespread, is on multiple levels highly problematic. First, Linux was invented as desktop OS, that it fails exactly at this use-case (while succeeding everywhere else) should give as to think, architectural wise. Second, Torvalds IS still interested in taking the desktop. GNU/Linux FSF/RMS are highly interested in taking the desktop. Third, announcing "waaahh, as long as it is on my desktop I don't care about others" is | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | elitistic shit against the FOSS spirit as community movement. Fourth, if we are unable of gathering significant user-shares (>1%) we might find us very fast in dead-ends of history either by legislation changes and/or by industry support. | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | We need to take the desktop! | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | It, however, is the same thing that plagues FOSS. Talking about why the other guy sucks, and not why FOSS is better. It's the thing that has driven me crazy about the FOSS community for...well, the last 20 years since I was introduced to it. | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | The fact that people do this is just evidence that FOSS is not, in fact, better. | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | ' | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | "The software is good. The people can be stupid (reference K's line about people in MiB)." | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | They're a company. People should get over it. | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | "Blackmail, extortion, anti-competitive, monopolistic...that's bad!" | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | "But they're a company." | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | "Oh, okay." | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | Idiot. | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | Hey. Way to attack me instead of having a discussion about it. I was actually going to answer your comments until your last line. | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | And this is what's wrong with many in the community. Immediately attack anyone who has a differing opinion. | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | "I feel bad for you. It's cool to disagree with people but them downvoting you and calling you an idiot just because you hold a not so popular opinion in this subreddit is immature and against reddiquette as well." | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | It's all good. I'm used to it. Unfortunately, too many in the FOSS world have opted to adapt a militant view on software. Then, when someone like myself comes along, they only grab the bits of my statements they want to hear and twist them. They ignore the parts where I've been using Linux and FOSS since the 90's. That I don't hold any MS licenses or use their software at home and that I don't actually like them. If they personally knew me, | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | they would ignore the fact that I've been working on FOSS projects for years and that I believe in software freedom. | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | They just grab the part where I disagree with calling them the devil. | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, our energy could be must better spent instead of the latest "OMG MS EVIL!" They're a company. People should get over it. | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | I kinda don't understand this sentiment that comes up pretty much everytime when people are disliking a company: it's just a company doing it for profit so all business practices withing the law are acceptable. | Feb 18 08:05 |
| schestowitz | I think making noise is important as well but doesn't solve anything alone. | Feb 18 08:05 |
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| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | I never really defended MS. I even said I don't like corporations. Not just not like but am actually anti corporation. I will actively try to avoid buying from large corporations. However, I'm also a realist. The things required to fix the situation will not happen. No one is willing to stop buying things in order to send a message. | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | So, we can either look like the little brat insulting our big brother or we can ignore them and build something amazing. I just think we give MS way too much attention with articles like this. | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | crap like "Microsoft does not really make software anymore, it just makes malware/spyware like Vista 10"? | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | Is it crap? | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | We're talking about an operating system that behaves in such a intrusive and malware like manner. Which cannot be turned off or retriggers itself to re-enable the privacy invading options you just turned off. | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | Would you put up with this from anyone else or any other company? | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | "Apple and Google mine data as well. I don't know if it's to the extent that Microsoft does but people seem to put up with Apple and Google." | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | Apple and Google mine data as well. | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | See, this is where having a history of abuse hurts you. Microsoft has done dirty things in the past. They're the known quantity. Google and Apple? Not so much. | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | People trust Google because they haven't been burnt yet. They trust Apple pretty much for the same reason. Oh and both Apple and Google have been good partners with Open Source in the past. Microsoft was waging a war from day one. | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | "I pretty much agree with that but to a lesser extent didn't apple steal from Xerox?" | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | didn't apple steal from Xerox? | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | No they did not. | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | http://zurb.com/article/801/steve-jobs-and-xerox-the-truth-about-inno | Feb 18 08:06 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-zurb.com | Steve Jobs and Xerox: The Truth About Innovation | ZURB Blog | Feb 18 08:06 | |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | Unfortunately it's a fair assessment. They are doubling down on "spywaring" their products. In my view, what they're doing is trying to mirror what iphone and android is about. They had hoped they could get there with winphone but Steeve Balmer was years late to the game, they totally missed the train on that one. | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | So after they gave up on mobile they're moving that strategy to the platform they control. My guess is that their analysis says something like this: | Feb 18 08:06 |
| schestowitz | The key to relevance in the next decade is intimate user data (the kind you get from iphone and android devices), we need to get the same kind of data in some other way. If we play nice we'll be relegated to irrelevance within 5 years (give or take), if we play dirty we may still be relegated to irrelevance in 5 years but at least we tried. | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | So this is really a do or die situation for them. | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | People don't buy it because it's spyware, so saying it "just makes malware/spyware" is ludicrous. People buy it to surf the web, play games, and store photos. | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | But second and more importantly, the name "Vista 10" is as childish and stupid as Micro$oft, and it even worse implies that Microsoft was a good company up until Windows Vista came out. Microsoft has been corrupt since the beginning.. | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | So any insight this writer has is lost, he (or she) comes across as an unwashed, anti-social teenager in a basement somewhere. | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | People don't buy it because it's spyware | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | Of course not, I don't think anyone would suggest that. Well, come to think of it, they actually might, after all, location tracker apps are generally big hits for the added benefits they provide. | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | "The original article had the literal text "just makes malware/spyware". Neither I nor the parent author were using hyperbole in our criticism. The techrights writer might have some useful information in their articles, but it's buried in such absurd exaggeration nobody will listen." | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | Well, come to think of it, they actually might, after all, location tracker apps are generally big hits for the added benefits they provide. | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | You're making less sense with every comment. | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | I'm starting to wonder whether you're actually a Microsoft plant, intended to undermine the credibility of anyone that is critical of them (if so, good job!). | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | ' | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | You're making less sense with every comment. | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | That was a light hearted comment that shouldn't be take too seriously | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | The real meat though is this: | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is rapidly losing ground among ordinary consumers, which means their user base is increasingly corporate heavy. How do you think corporate sysadmins look upon an OS that phones home from the corporate network, automated (or hard to disable) upgrades that may invalidate/obsolete their hardware? | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | I'm working in an organization of about 20,000 employees, a typical Windows shop. In the past year we rolled out a redhat infrastructure, currently we're rolling out redhat based desktops for anyone who wants it. The main reason for this move is the assertion that the Microsoft age is over within the foreseeable future. | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | Unfortunately it's a fair assessment. | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | No, it's hyperbole that undermines the credibility of the information source. | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | "It's techrights.org (AKA Boycott Novell). It has no credibility to undermine." | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | oh, look, my longtime hater... | Feb 18 08:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | No, it's hyperbole | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | No it's a fair assessment that points out some important issues with Microsoft's current strategies. | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | "No, it is a clearly false statement, and you, like the news source you've linked to, seem unable to separate your agenda from simple facts. Good luck persuading anyone that doesn't already agree with you." | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | In my view, what they're doing is trying to mirror what iphone and android is about. | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | I actually think it's simpler than that. | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | I think they looked at Apple - who, whether you love them or hate them, are taking basically all the profitable customers from the mainstream PC and phone vendors and leaving them with the dross - and decided they wanted some of that. | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's approach to getting some of that is exactly the same as it always has been: | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | Copy the competitor. Don't bother trying to understand what they do or why they do it, just mindlessly copy it. This is the "embrace" bit. If you're into your history, we could compare Windows NT up to and including NT 4 with Novell here. | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | Once you've done this for a while, you're beginning to get an idea of how the competitor's business model works. Which means you can play around with your product to better suit your customers. All the better if you can leverage your position in one market to make your product work better in another (Extend. Active Directory debuted in Windows Server 2000, and introduced Group Policy). | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | By now, you actually have a pretty good product in the marketplace and people are taking notice. Use every deal you can think of to encourage people over to your product while keeping them away from competitors. (When you license Windows Server Datacenter edition, you can run as many Windows VMs as you like on your hardware for no extra cost - the only limiting factor is how powerful your hardware is. It doesn't take a great many VMs for | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | it to be a lot cheaper to do things this way, and at this point, why would your enterprise bother even considering something that didn't run on Windows? About the only time they'll make an exception is when a product is sold as a virtual appliance so they aren't expected to learn anything about it). | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | "Agree, good analysis." | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft does not really make software anymore, it just makes malware/spyware like Vista 10 (the NSA’s dream come true, an always-on keylogger) | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | The language and claims in this article are amazing, it's like reading a rant on 4chan's tech board. | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | "Indeed what a nonsensical statement, malware is software too." | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | malware is software too | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | This should be on a t shirt | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | "Malwaresofttm | Feb 18 08:08 |
| schestowitz | "Either way it is what it is. It is software, and it's also malware/spyware. Providing valuable software is no longer Microsoft's main concern, acquiring valuable Malware/Spyware data is." | Feb 18 08:09 |
| schestowitz | "https://www.reddit.com/domain/techrights.org/" | Feb 18 08:09 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | techrights.org on reddit.com [ http://ur1.ca/ojce0 ] | Feb 18 08:09 | |
| schestowitz | "Beware that Techrights is nothing but nutjob conspiracy theories involving Microsoft and has absolutely no credibility whatsoever. Take a look at some of its articles that have been submitted to Reddit and see for yourself." | Feb 18 08:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techworm.net/2016/02/windows-10-spies-disabling-tracking-installing-anti-spying-app.html | Feb 18 08:09 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.techworm.net | Windows 10 spies on you despite disabling tracking options or installing anti-spying app » TechWorm [ http://ur1.ca/ojce1 ] | Feb 18 08:09 | |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:09 |
| schestowitz | One of the articles he's cited as a source for his claims is easily proven as BS. | Feb 18 08:09 |
| schestowitz | If you look at the data collected. The actual packets sent were normal traffic for an idle system and not personal data being sent back to Microsoft (LAN, Multicast, ARP, NTP, DNS lookup, etc...). | Feb 18 08:09 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:09 |
| schestowitz | "TechRights again? Please forks, can you please READ the article before thumbing up?" | Feb 18 08:09 |
| schestowitz | "All right, fuck it. I'll engage. Yes, the article gets a bit hyperbolic at points. But are the central facts wrong? Is Microsoft not actually strong-arming channel partners as they have been for 20+ years, with a tactical focus using patent lawsuit threats this round?" | Feb 18 08:09 |
| schestowitz | This is now the MS famage control army | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | and my haters | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | mono people | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | First, TechRights is famous for being a completely lunatic(he thinks normal idle packets from Windows PCs are going to NSA) and a liar. He likes to forge a news article to attack Microsoft(he once wrote an article that Microsoft attacking Linux with patents while it was just about Microsoft suing a company making a system with Linux that runs stuff that violates Microsoft's patents) | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | Second, most of his sources are bs or have no credit whatsoever. For example, this(http://www.techworm.net/2016/02/windows-10-spies-disabling-tracking-installing-anti-spying-app.html). | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | If you think an article written by a lunatic who tends to lie with bs sources is trustworthy, I don't know what to say more. | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | How about not putting words in my mouth? | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | There's a difference between "contains some truth" and "trustworthy". Neither this article nor ms pr shills are trustworthy, but I'd have to be convinced MS isn't still playing shitty hardball with channel partners. | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is in fact up to no good on several fronts - spyware/forced upgrades being just recent "new" news, and it is long established that there are comfy ties between MS and the intelligence community. | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | So if your only point is that this guy is over the top - got it, great, but your claims of "nothing to see here except crazies, MS is the picture of innocence, goodwill, and honest intentions" are equally flimsily suppirted. | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | Alright, that sounds pretty over the top. But based on Microsoft's past behavior, I'm going to be inclined to believe there is some truth to this, as much of it Microsoft is known to have dinner in the past. | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | Is Microsoft not using patent threats to force channel partners to pre-install crapware? | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | This article is complete BS and cites source articles that are complete BS. | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | Edit: corrected a word | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | ' | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | "cites" | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | "Someone needs to tell the author that android is so far from GNU/Linux they aren't even comparable." | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | They are | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | "Well, Android does sit on top on the Linux kernel. Granted, once you get outside the kernel it gets pretty wild, but that kernel is definitely Linux." | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | "Wow techrights is still a thing?" | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | "Making a business agreement to preload the (already free) Microsoft Office apps on Android handsets... does not seem like a war against Linux." | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | "I'm just going to make more popcorn and laugh at the retards that don't read the article." | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | "" | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | "What do you mean by "free"?" | Feb 18 08:10 |
| schestowitz | "Beer-type." | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | "Not as in Open Source but as in it doesn't cost money to download." | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | "Can somebody give me a rundown of this without the terrible grammar and hyperbole?" | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | So how about device makers stop preloading anything onto their devices. Let the device buyer decide what they want on the device. | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | My Acer notebook came with windows 8, replaced the regular hard drive with a SSD, loaded Linux Mint. Now I have a faster device, battery time extended by 50% and it speaks to no one I don't want it to. | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | Only one of my households many devices has windows because my colour laser printer and separate scanner don't have Linux Drivers available. | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | But that desktop also has Linux. I only boot up windows when I use the printer and/or scanner, However when windows is being used that device is not connected to the Internet. | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | Anyone can, as I have, improve their level of privacy. My home's windows have blinds and curtains. Why not the internet? | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | "As long as MS extorts money from Android manufacturers they shouldn't be blowing their "open source" horn too loudly." | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | "A little (ok a lot) off-topic but does anyone else find this website completely unreadable? Did they make it for 640x480 screens?" | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | "Anyone who bought the, we ❤ Linux campaign was idiotic. Microsoft is Microsoft, that will never change. Look at what they are doing to their users. Oh, you don't want to upgrade? Forget you, you don't have a choice. They ensnare and trap their users... No thanks!" | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Continues to Use Software Patents to Extort/Blackmail | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | Is there reason to assume that other major tech companies aren't doing the exact same thing? | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | They can bully people as much as they want, doesn't change the fact that their OS is pretty much featureless, doesn't do anything I'd want it to do and is about as secure as those locks that we used to have on floppy disk boxes. I wouldn't use Windows if Bill Gates or whoever runs the thing now came to me personally and begged me to use it. | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | Windows is a child's OS, they all learn it in school in the hope that they'll be forever enslaved to microsoft, unfortunately most of them decide to be, still doesn't change the fact that all the OS is really suitable for is a school project. Got an SSH client yet Microsoft? LOL... | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:11 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know, it has its uses. AD is still the best LDAP implementation going. I'm also not sure why Microsoft would bundle an SSH client natively, Microsoft services don't use SSH. | Feb 18 08:11 |
| schestowitz | Realistically most people couldn't give a toss about the OS, the applications are what makes or breaks a computing experience. The difference between Ubuntu and Windows is minimal for the average user, the real difference comes when they can't get their favourite applications working, applications that are normally a non-trivial amount of money. | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | "ask me about AD and POSIX attributes..." | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | "Please, Tell me about AD and POSIX attributes." | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | The SSH client is just one example, it's not like it's difficult, putty must only be a couple of hundred Kb? If that? From my last experiences with Windows, the base install seems to take an astonishing amount of disk space for pretty much zero features, it's bigger than my Arch install is INCLUDING all of the stuff I've installed on it. I don't think including an SSH client is going to make much difference. Microsoft don't use SSH themselves | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | sure but Cisco, HP etc do, it's needed to access their switches, routers etc....the amount of network engineers that use Windows is laughable, oh well, whatever you're into, if you enjoy battling with your OS every step of the way to get something done, keep using noobdows! | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | How about a decent, standards compliant web browser? A text editor that isn't Notepad? A graphics application? An office suite? A package manager? A choice of desktop environments rather than forcing the user to use some tablet-inspired rubbish? Any Linux distro that's not Arch, Gentoo etc will give you these things "out of the box", that makes Windows a poor quality product in comparison to the competition. It's not even like they have to do | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | much work, most of these things already exist for Windows, get a package manager and install some useful stuff by default and it would be a big improvement. | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | LDAP? Oh great, something that is predominantly used to control and restrict people is your biggest feature? Not surprising for Windows... | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | Let me know when Windows has a package manager and I can get a setup including things like i3, mutt, vim and firefox along with all the networking tools like nmap and ssh from the terminal and can do it all with as much ease as I can with Arch, then I might be 1% interested. | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | Also, this isn't about "free" in the financial sense, I'd happily pay what people pay for Windows and Apple for Arch if it cost money. | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | LDAP isn't used to restrict people, it's actual purpose is to allow central authentication and privilege allocation. Besides, unless you want Joe the skeezy intern getting your card details sometimes restrictions are a good thing. | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | What's wrong with powershell as a command line though? | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | EDIT: also I find the demands to include this tool and that tool and some blinking lights first party interesting when Linux is, as we're constantly reminded, just a kernel. It provides none of that stuff first party, they're all items added separately. | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | That's still a restriction...I understand, I was just saying it's typical behaviour of a Windows user to jump at a feature providing restriction, since Windows users should be used to being restricted. | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | Powershell is overly-complicated compared to bash from what I've seen, still doesn't seem like it can do everything that can be done from the GUI. For example, can you SSH in and edit a file with something like vi? | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | Oh I agree, I wouldn't use Ubuntu or similar distros because I want to choose what I want to install, I also don't like the idea of reinstalling my system every time a new version of the OS comes out, or hoping for the best with an upgrade script. I personally don't want an office suite installed with my OS, I can't stand the things, whether it be MS Office, Libre Office, Open Office or anything else, it's just a type of software I can't | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | stand using. But, most users want an office suite and to not have one pre-installed puts Windows behind Ubuntu. Linux is great because you can just have a kernel and do everything yourself from source and then there's varying amounts of choice right up to Ubuntu with it's "I'm probably too dumb to be even using a computer, do everything for me!". | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | I don't get why people say Windows is user-friendly, it's not, ever tried guiding a Windows user through something as simple as installing Firefox? "Click here...then here...ok what can you see on your screen now?......" and on and on and on.... Try it with an Ubuntu user, "open a terminal, sudo apt-get install firefox", done. Yes I know they probably pre-install it, just an example. | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | I agree totally. I think that Windows could stand to be easier and I totally see problems with it. However, I don't think the OS, for all its faults, is without merit. | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | To put it in perspective I'm a sysadmin who primarily uses Windows server, though I do use a lot of Linux but not to the extent I can really claim it as a job title. When I want to help a user install software on a Windows PC I'll generally use group membership to enforce its installation automatically at the top of the hour and when I want to provision a Linux server with a new app loadout or update website files I'll chuck it into Puppet. | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | In real terms I interact with both the same way. | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | Powershell can't SSH by default (although apparently it will be able to soon) but once you get into it you don't have an option like Vim, your edits are very much like using cat and sed. This is definitely an area where it could stand to improve. | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | As for LDAP and AD, most of what I like is the peer to peer replication, the fault tolerance and the ease of integration with Group Policy. What I would really love from Linux equivalents are a more easily replicated LDAP database and a way to target config management onto LDAP group rather than onto an internal list of computers (seriously, Puppet really should check group membership). | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:12 |
| schestowitz | it's not, ever tried guiding a Windows user through something as simple as installing Firefox? "Click here...then here...ok what can you see on your screen now?......" and on and on and on.. | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | Or you know, just hitting the "install" button once ... | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | " Got an SSH client yet Microsoft?" | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | "Soon" | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/powershell/2015/06/03/looking-forward-microsoft-support-for-secure-shell-ssh/ | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:13 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-blogs.msdn.microsoft.com | Looking Forward: Microsoft Support for Secure Shell (SSH) | Windows PowerShell Blog [ http://ur1.ca/ojceo ] | Feb 18 08:13 | |
| schestowitz | [–]Zuiden 3 points 3 days ago | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | OS is pretty much featureless | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | I would say it has just as many "features" as any other OS. | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | doesn't do anything I'd want it to do | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | It runs software. I'd say that's a start. | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | about as secure as those locks that we used to have on floppy disk boxes | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | Point but OSX has more vulnerabilities. Hell Ubuntu has more than any desktop Windows distribution. http://www.cvedetails.com/top-50-products.php?year=2015 The issue here is marketshare. Why target 10-15% of market when you can get 90%. | Feb 18 08:13 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.cvedetails.com | Top 50 products having highest number of cve security vulnerabilities in 2015 [ http://ur1.ca/ojceq ] | Feb 18 08:13 | |
| schestowitz | they all learn it in school in the hope that they'll be forever enslaved to microsoft | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | No. They learn it in school because 90% of the desktop computers in a potential work environment run Windows. Teaching them something else is a disservice. It doesn't mean Windows has to be the only thing they teach, but school budgets are thin. | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | I am not saying Windows is an end all be all OS. I am not even saying it's the best one out there. I run Linux, Windows and OS X currently. They each have their merits and I use them all for different tasks. | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | Teaching them anything else would NOT be a disservice, it would be REVOLUTIONARY. The current western education system is a disservice, only a very small part of it is about teaching anything useful, it's mostly about programming people to be compliant from a young age. | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | You don't learn about computers from Windows, you learn about Microsoft products. Anyone that learns Linux can easily use Windows because as I said, it's a simple, child's OS, just point and click and complain about why you can't do the same things in 2 seconds from a terminal. Are you really suggesting that people can't use both Microsoft Office and Libreoffice having learnt one of those? If you can't do that, stop using a computer, it's not | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | your thing. | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | People shouldn't be taught one specific skill in some rigid, compartmentalised style....that's dangerous, very dangerous, that's why people are so dumb and incapable these days. That's just what the system wants though so they can pigeonhole you into a meaningless job and you'll be a good, compliant slave and get on with it. Learn the hacker way, where you learn how to learn and adapt. | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | Got an SSH client | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | While I for my personal use cases tend to share you sentiments - and in particular wrt ssh, which I'm totally dependent on, I disagree in general, windows is not a "child's os", it's an os with a sizable portfolio of very useful applications. The OS itself is marginal relevant but the applications are everything. At work, I personal use windows for outlook and the occasional check that my documents work in word, excel or powerpoint. For all | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | else I use linux in a VM. At home I occasionally use windows in a VM, for a few applications that don't run on linux - most notably VMware's infrastructure client. | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | "I just want to say that this is Racketeering. The FOSS laws are clear enough that microsoft can sue anyone and loose. Its just the cost of defending the case would cost more than paying microsoft to go away. " | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | "Make no mistake, Microsoft isn't there only to provide a service out of goodwill and recognition. Thinking they changed while the basic reason it exists (making monry) hasn't is a reminder that's what we see is only a PR attempt to show themselves under a better light." | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft will be Microsoft and if anyone here is surprised by this, you probably shouldn't be here. | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | E: This article is completely unbiased, btw /s | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | I was on a thread over in r/programming recently, and there was an awful lot of dismissiveness towards anyone saying anything negative about Microsoft, along the lines of, "you're stuck in the past, that's the old Microsoft", and even, "They're obviously the good guys now, quit your silly conspiracy-theory tin foil hat complaining." | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | Yeah well, fuck those guys. | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:13 |
| schestowitz | indeed | Feb 18 08:14 |
| schestowitz | "Before saying fuck those guys, did you read the article, or did you just read the title?" | Feb 18 08:14 |
| schestowitz | "Wow. Yeah, I read the article. Do you have an actual point other than taking a swipe at me?" | Feb 18 08:14 |
| schestowitz | "Did you understand the article?" | Feb 18 08:14 |
| schestowitz | "Do you decommoditize protocols?" | Feb 18 08:14 |
| schestowitz | "Also it's a fair assessment. | Feb 18 08:14 |
| schestowitz | "I considered getting Microsoft band 2 for workouts. Not gonna happen, i'm getting either fitbit surge or tomtom cardio 2. Friggin ms.." | Feb 18 08:14 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:14 |
| schestowitz | This reminds when Dell I think or Gateway where going to bundle Beos with their PC's and offer it to consumers and MS got wind of this travesty. Basically it ended up with MS would pull the licensing of allowing them to sell windows if they did not stop with this foolishness. | Feb 18 08:14 |
| schestowitz | Talk about a dick move! | Feb 18 08:14 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:14 |
| schestowitz | "New boss; same as the old boss." | Feb 18 08:14 |
| schestowitz | "Hahah, M$ being a bitch again." | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | "Why is seemingly nothing being done about this? Where are the antitrust lawsuits, they sure rape Apple every time something goes wrong, why not MS? | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | Because Apple and Ms have very different business models and business strategies. | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | Apple is a hardware company, they have a very lucrative corner they're defending ferociously, their purpose is not primarily to extract revenue from others but to prevent competition in their specific corner. This means their litigations are about actually stopping others from doing something, so the opposing party does not get the offer to settle for some undisclosed amount. | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | Ms is the opposite, they're pragmatists, they're about extracting revenue wherever they can. They don't care if others use their (or not theirs) technology as long as they pay. They'll offer a deal that is more attractive than a lawsuit, because their threats most likely wouldn't hold up en court. They're not held accountable because, as all good bullies they take pains to avoid bullying those who will fight back, hence they haven't really | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | touched google itself, and they're probably also very careful about which parts of android they attack to avoid giving google a chance to step in. | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | Also, this approach may actually not be looked totally unfavorably upon by some companies who have much the same business approach. They simply make a business arrangement where ms gets a piece of the android business while offering something in return in another area, for example I'm sure there are lots of different arrangements between Samsung and Microsoft. | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | ' | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | "I have no preinstalled M$ crap on my samsung phone." | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | Its just the cost of defending the case would cost more than paying microsoft to go away. | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | There's also the hidden cost of mysteriously having those OEM Windows licenses becoming unavailable or only available at unsustainable price points.... | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | "Like in new york city, where a dumpster cost 1500 dolllars if you are not connected." | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | It seems like you're doing it a bit backwards. Why not run Windows in the VM if you only use it for Office?" | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | Why not run Windows in the VM | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | That's what I do on my own machine, but this is on the company computer. But frankly, today I often run VMs with linux on linux too for a variety of reasons. | Feb 18 08:15 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | Beware that Techrights is .... | Feb 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | You know what, no matter which online new site, blog site, or whatever is linked to, someone will post this essentially ad hominem type of "rebuttal". I don't know if you're doing that in general or it just happen to be your opinion in this specific case. | Feb 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | You know what, no matter which online new site, blog site, or whatever is linked to, someone will post this essentially ad hominem type of "rebuttal". | Feb 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | If an information source has a track record of stating things that aren't true, then it is perfectly legitimate to point this out so that people can treat the information source's claims with skepticism. | Feb 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | My intention isn't to rebut the arguments presented in the article, but rather to warn people against blindly trusting sites that might appear trustworthy at first glance. This is especially important when many here are inclined to believe the facts presented without even having read the article, simply because the headline aligns with their world view. In my opinion, the past history of gems published on Techrights justifies calling their | Feb 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | reputation and credibility into question. | Feb 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | But yes, in a sense I have committed the crime of ad hominem. As for whether or not this is a habit of mine, I'll just mention that every time I see a submission involving Microsoft on /r/linux, I check to see if it is hosted on Techrights. | Feb 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | warn people against blindly trusting sites that might appear trustworthy at first glance | Feb 18 08:16 |
| schestowitz | Sound like you're speaking of the Internet. | Feb 18 08:16 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BrianF1959/status/700308945852887040 | Feb 18 13:24 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@BrianF1959: @schestowitz Have you ever seen the FBI tell the truth? | Feb 18 13:24 | |
| schestowitz | They make the headlines mostly when they lie, mislead, or some puff piece about X-Files{tm} | Feb 18 13:24 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/rabite/status/700309626135429120 | Feb 18 13:25 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@rabite: @schestowitz any sane society would throw tumblr in the shitheap. | Feb 18 13:25 | |
| schestowitz | Right... but that would throw out some decent stuff like Lessig's blog out with the bathwater | Feb 18 13:25 |
| schestowitz | and moreover, if we let nations ban one network, we let them move on to more, including Twitter (which I dislike but wouldn't ban) | Feb 18 13:26 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/rabite/status/700310837760806916 | Feb 18 13:32 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@rabite: @schestowitz obscenity is rightfully banned in US, just ask Max Hardcore. Indonesia is drawing a much saner line for it. | Feb 18 13:32 | |
| schestowitz | In Indonesia, which I write about, censorship goes as far as history and news (like hiding its genocides). Very much ahead of US. | Feb 18 13:32 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7049373 | Feb 18 13:35 |
| schestowitz | "“Banned”" | Feb 18 13:35 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-Not a Diaspora post? | Feb 18 13:36 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/rabite/status/700315779212902400 | Feb 18 13:56 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@rabite: @schestowitz I don't agree with banning history or news but pornography and Soros-funded gender mythologies have no social merit whatsoever. | Feb 18 13:56 | |
| schestowitz | This is hardly a "Soros" thing | Feb 18 13:56 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/rabite/status/700317344971800576 | Feb 18 13:56 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@rabite: @schestowitz Soros throws more money at cultural Marxism than all other actors combined | Feb 18 13:56 | |
| schestowitz | Any evidence? It would have to be pretty incredible. | Feb 18 13:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/BrianF1959/status/700318268356165633 | Feb 18 14:02 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@BrianF1959: @schestowitz Like me trashed my rep beat the crap out of me physically I was nice sent them proof their guys were stealing state secrets | Feb 18 14:02 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sine_injuria/status/700322512068935680 | Feb 18 14:17 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@sine_injuria: @schestowitz #Copyright #TPP #TTIP #TISA #CETA #ISDS #NWO @GlobalJusticeUK @PCGTW @grcafeed https://t.co/lniVsCKITC | Feb 18 14:17 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@EFF: One word changed in a footnote in the TPP would expand prison terms and seizures to harmless copyright infringements https://t.co/oG0mYe4TIL | Feb 18 14:17 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/EdSnowdenNews/status/700327275720343553 | Feb 18 14:34 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@EdSnowdenNews: Whistleblower Edward Snowden to join SFU via video link... https://t.co/1tB2FPlxC2 via @schestowitz https://t.co/yjWs0QkwfI | Feb 18 14:34 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> gettopical.com | Whistleblower Edward Snowden to join SFU via video link for discussion on the promise and peril of big data | Feb 18 14:34 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@EdSnowdenNews: Whistleblower Edward Snowden to join SFU via video link... https://t.co/1tB2FPlxC2 via @schestowitz https://t.co/yjWs0QkwfI | Feb 18 14:34 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/700337539874426880 | Feb 18 15:23 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@qu1j0t3: @h0d3r Is the BBC even pretending to be impartial any more? They're awful on domestic politics too. /cc @schestowitz | Feb 18 15:23 | |
| schestowitz | > Following the new sintax: | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | > [ here starts a new [ url ] | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | > Hopefully helps. I think you were right regarding an editor account but hold it | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | > for a while 'till I finish the two classes I'm taking. | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | > Here it goes: | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | > microsoft_bribing_officials == microsoft-sobornando-oficiales | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | > Cheers | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Great, thank you. I think I can copy with manual editing of hypermark, I got into the habit, just double-check what I publish and make sure it's added to the EPO wiki and the Espanol wiki (I might forget sometimes). | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | My regards to your wife and kids. We work hard here today, lots of news popping up... | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | > Ooops! forgat the attachement. | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | > microsoft-sobornando-oficiales | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | >> One thing that may help me in editing is adding a sign of where a link | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | >> > anchor starts, for instance: | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | >> > [a la EPO[ URL ] | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Feb 18 15:29 |
| schestowitz | >> > right now I am sort of guessing where to start the link/anchor text | Feb 18 15:30 |
| schestowitz | >> > from, based on my very bad comprehension of Spanish (my wife can | Feb 18 15:30 |
| schestowitz | >> > comprehend some of it as she's fluent at Cebuano) | Feb 18 15:30 |
| schestowitz | > OK, Iĺl reedit the next one. Before I send it. | Feb 18 15:30 |
| schestowitz | Makes it easier for me. | Feb 18 15:30 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/meneer/status/700341506465521664 | Feb 18 15:30 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@meneer: @schestowitz Hire? Plenty Open Source minded employees in government service | Feb 18 15:30 | |
| schestowitz | Maybe the Microsoft gatekeepers just don't want to hire them; right now they have an excuse ;-) | Feb 18 15:30 |
| schestowitz | v | Feb 18 15:42 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/LozKaye/status/700367430426746880 | Feb 18 17:52 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@LozKaye: @schestowitz Gosh- met up with both Karen and Jesper at the weekend. Very well informed people. | Feb 18 17:52 | |
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| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 18:36 |
| schestowitz | the place is bristling with rumours following yesterday's B28 meeting. | Feb 18 18:36 |
| schestowitz | "There is something going on, but I can't separate the wheat from the chaff. | Feb 18 18:36 |
| schestowitz | All I can say is that it appears to have been a very rough meeting. | Feb 18 18:36 |
| schestowitz | As soon as I get something more tangible I'll let you know. | Feb 18 18:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 18 18:36 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/700400103329304577 | Feb 18 19:34 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Wikinaut: @schestowitz any further news ? | Feb 18 19:34 | |
| schestowitz | yes, but not yet... | Feb 18 19:34 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/700404228855046144 | Feb 18 19:44 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: @sxpert1 @schestowitz decisions makers are financed by EPO renewal fees, there is no way they gonna stop the fountain of money. | Feb 18 19:44 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sxpert1/status/700403766298857473 | Feb 18 19:44 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@sxpert1: @schestowitz @zoobab what ? They closed the epo down for good ? | Feb 18 19:44 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/700404929513590784 | Feb 18 19:45 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Sheikh_al_Touar: @schestowitz @glynmoody favouritism at its best however I fear for the multinationals that this perk will soon be history. | Feb 18 19:45 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/700405956648292352 | Feb 18 19:50 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Sheikh_al_Touar: @schestowitz @glynmoody Before shooting me now bear in mind hat I'm an incurable optimist ;) | Feb 18 19:50 | |
| schestowitz | That's a healthy trait | Feb 18 19:50 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/700404228855046144 | Feb 18 22:24 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/datenritter/status/700451898151870465 | Feb 18 22:53 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@datenritter: @Piratenpartei Den kommenden Streik der Mitarbeiter des Europäischen Patentamts habt Ihr bestimmt auf dem Schirm? https://t.co/CATOFAcmPp | Feb 18 22:53 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Union-Busting Strategies Backfire: After Additional EPO Protests/Actions (Over 2,000 in Attendance With More to Come) a STRIKE is Being Planned | Techrights | Feb 18 22:53 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gnu_andrew/status/700483976897634305 | Feb 19 01:00 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@gnu_andrew: @schestowitz especially as "Android tablets" aren't restricted to just one manufacturer. | Feb 19 01:00 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7050926 | Feb 19 01:13 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Lawmakers Speak Out On Apple Being Forced To Create Backdoors; Some Wisely, Some Ignorantlyhttps://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160218/09520333642/lawmakers-speak-out-apple-being-forced-to-create-backdoors-some-wisely-some-ignorantly.shtml back doors exist already | Feb 19 01:13 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.techdirt.com | Lawmakers Speak Out On Apple Being Forced To Create Backdoors; Some Wisely, Some Ignorantly | Techdirt | Feb 19 01:13 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7050927 | Feb 19 01:13 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Watch how #microsoft UK-occupied #bbc did coverage of a >long< interview with #torvalds http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35599774 techrights.org/wiki/index.php/BBC | Feb 19 01:13 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.bbc.co.uk | TED 2016: Linux founder not a 'people person' - BBC News [ http://ur1.ca/ojgwl ] | Feb 19 01:13 | |
| r_schestowitz | http://www.lowyinterpreter.org/post/2016/02/19/Digital-Asia-links-Facebook-in-Myanmar-North-Korean-rockets-emoji-censorship-and-more.aspx | Feb 19 01:28 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.lowyinterpreter.org | Digital Asia links: North Korean rockets, emoji censorship, Myanmar Facebook and more | Feb 19 01:28 | |
| r_schestowitz | 01:00 | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:01:05) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: 0/ | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:01:14) xxxxxxxxxx: Hi | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:01:35) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: how's it going? | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:03:35) xxxxxxxxxx: ok | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:03:38) xxxxxxxxxx: how about you? | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:04:50) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: good | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | 01:05 | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:05:29) xxxxxxxxxx: do you think they should allow the fbi to break into that iphone? | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:06:30) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: fbi already gets into it | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:07:30) xxxxxxxxxx: when? | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:08:03) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: slides leaked by snowden go years back | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:08:24) xxxxxxxxxx: yeah but they can't get into the current one they want to | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:09:35) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: https://twitter.com/Snowden | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | 01:10 | Feb 19 01:58 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-twitter.com | Edward Snowden (@Snowden) | Twitter | Feb 19 01:58 | |
| r_schestowitz | (01:12:12) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: see replies to him | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:12:23) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: and links to articles | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:13:39) xxxxxxxxxx: this one explains why they can't do it without apple involved | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:13:40) xxxxxxxxxx: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/17/apple_iphone_5c/ | Feb 19 01:58 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.theregister.co.uk | Confused as to WTF is happening with Apple, the FBI and a killer's iPhone? Let's fix that • The Register | Feb 19 01:58 | |
| r_schestowitz | (01:13:54) xxxxxxxxxx: basically they can, but they need apple to sign the code | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:14:01) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: NSL | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:14:06) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: under nda | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:14:33) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: apple put a back door/master key | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:14:45) xxxxxxxxxx: well it's not so much that | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:14:46) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: which beats the purpose | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:14:54) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: Microsoft does it too with bitlocker | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | 01:15 | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:15:05) xxxxxxxxxx: they made it so you can update the software without distroying the data or unlocking the phone | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:15:25) xxxxxxxxxx: which you could call a backdoor | Feb 19 01:58 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:15:35) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: same with microsoft bitlocker | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:15:41) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: they back up your key to 'cloud' | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:15:50) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: just in case you move, or for recovery | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:16:00) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: and I posted some leaks related to this years ago | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:16:11) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: probably cause back doors | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:16:18) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: back doors... as a 'feature' | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:16:22) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: not just a 'bug' | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:16:43) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: this way they already have excuses prepared | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:16:54) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: apple called one of its back doors in iOS "diagnostics" | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:17:48) xxxxxxxxxx: i think being able to update the phone without distroying the data is something users would generally want even if it does come at the cost of security | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:18:13) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: depends what you use the phone for | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:18:23) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: if you're a journalist, it can lead to the death of your source | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:18:35) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: or self-incriminate | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:19:06) xxxxxxxxxx: then you perhaps need a different type of phone to 99.9%+ of the rest of the world | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:19:33) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: phones are generally not designed to be secure; the baseband OS can be buffer overflowed to take over the main OS, be it Android or iOS or whatever | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:19:50) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: these devices are subsidised because they're tools of control and coercion over people | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | 01:20 | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:20:21) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: For phone--I can use landline and I assume I'm being bugged and speak accordingly | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:21:31) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: the EPO management that threatened to sue me,,, today it became known they're on their way out (sacked or forced to resign) | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:22:06) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: the scandals I showed caught up with them and it destoroyed their reputation beyond repair | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:22:08) xxxxxxxxxx: they tapped your phone? | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:22:28) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: Maybe, but that's not the point though. They did spy on me, via Control Risks Group | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:22:43) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: Gov. contractor that competed with Blackwater for Iraw contracts | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:22:50) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: *Iraq | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:23:12) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: chronology is here: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EPO | Feb 19 01:59 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | EPO - Techrights | Feb 19 01:59 | |
| r_schestowitz | (01:23:15) xxxxxxxxxx: they actually had people spy on you? | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:23:41) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: Not just me | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:23:54) xxxxxxxxxx: me? | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:23:55) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: they spied on all the staff and on visitors to the Office | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:24:01) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: and it became a scandal last year | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:24:36) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: Comprehensive article about the whole thing: http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2016/02/welcome-to-eponia-the-strange-land-of-european-patents-that-is-outside-the-law/ | Feb 19 01:59 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-arstechnica.co.uk | Welcome to EPOnia, the strange land of European patents that is outside the law | Ars Technica UK | Feb 19 01:59 | |
| r_schestowitz | 01:30 | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:34:37) xxxxxxxxxx: right ibetter get handed over | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:34:40) xxxxxxxxxx: nothing much going on | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:34:48) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: OK, that's good | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:34:53) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: anyway, with regards to EPO | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:34:58) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: it relates to FOSS | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | 01:35 | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:35:13) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: and to competition, keeping Europe and tech competitive | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:35:37) xxxxxxxxxx: are you sure? i thought there wasn't even susposed to be software patents in the EU | Feb 19 01:59 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:35:40) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: if you had read everything that got it started, it would be more evident | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:35:47) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: right, exactly | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:35:55) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: but they create loopholes | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:36:03) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: today too they promoted loopholes | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:36:08) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: this way they make more money | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:36:39) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: anyway, have a good night | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:36:43) xxxxxxxxxx: there was a point release for ubuntu today | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:36:46) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: don't want to take up your time.. | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:36:51) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: yes, 14.04 | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:37:02) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: I found 4 articles about it | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:37:07) xxxx: might see all our servers need updates in the morning | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:37:50) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: I guess it just integrates all the parches since 14.03 | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:37:56) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: inc. glibc patches | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:38:21) xxxxxxxxxx: i think they are out already | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:38:26) xxxxxxxxxx: glibc | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:38:34) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: yes, I patched mine 2 days ago | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:39:00) xxxxxxxxxx: actually a lot might auto update | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:39:10) xxxxxxxxxx: i've set those xxxx ones to update | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:39:17) xxxxxxxxxx: it's jenkins on 2 of them | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:39:25) xxxxxxxxxx: which is a big download from a slow server | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:39:41) xxxxxxxxxx: should finnish in a couple of minute though and the alerts will go away | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | 01:40 | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:40:19) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: nicely automated | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:40:26) xxxxxxxxxx: my cat is asleep on my desk again | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:40:42) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: that's nice for company... | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:40:50) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: I just have wallpapers of animals | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:40:57) xxxxxxxxxx: get a cat | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:40:58) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: changing with a script of feh | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:41:07) xxxxxxxxxx: get 2 cats | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:41:10) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: Nat Geographic image collections on random | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:41:26) xxxxxxxxxx: we are thinking of getting some kittens | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:41:32) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: sometimes big cats show up | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:41:49) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: rianne isn't crazy about cats | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:41:53) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: we're into dogs | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:42:13) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: panda would be best | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:42:17) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: but not legal | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:42:41) xxxxxxxxxx: and very hard to get hold of | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:42:54) xxxxxxxxxx: and not particularly safe to keep in the house | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:43:01) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: yes, china is only lending its | Feb 19 02:00 |
| r_schestowitz | (01:43:59) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: (to zoos) | Feb 19 02:00 |
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| r_schestowitz | > http://www.cbsnews.com/news/va-suicide-hotline-calls-went-to-voicemail-report-finds/ | Feb 19 09:49 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.cbsnews.com | Report: VA suicide hotline calls went to voicemail - CBS News | Feb 19 09:49 | |
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| r_schestowitz | > https://jakearchibald.com/2016/link-in-body/ | Feb 19 09:49 |
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| r_schestowitz | > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmFLAlZO6ig | Feb 19 09:50 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.youtube.com | USENIX Enigma 2016 - Medical Device Security - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/ojiro ] | Feb 19 09:50 | |
| r_schestowitz | > | Feb 19 09:50 |
| r_schestowitz | > USENIX Enigma 2016 - Medical Device Security | Feb 19 09:50 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Feb 19 09:50 |
| r_schestowitz | > hospitals and medical devices infected with Windows | Feb 19 09:50 |
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| r_schestowitz | > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GiGpmdy5_o | Feb 19 09:50 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.youtube.com | Facebookistan - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/ojirp ] | Feb 19 09:50 | |
| r_schestowitz | > | Feb 19 09:50 |
| r_schestowitz | > Censorship and surveilance in Facebookistan. | Feb 19 09:50 |
| r_schestowitz | > [English, German and Danish] | Feb 19 09:50 |
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| r_schestowitz | > http://thisisnotporn.info/ | Feb 19 09:50 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-thisisnotporn.info | This is not porn | Feb 19 09:50 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Zeipt/status/700618706867474433 | Feb 19 10:05 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Zeipt: Фейсбукистан )) https://t.co/RWyZpg5Fc7 | Feb 19 10:05 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Censorship and surveilance in Facebookistan. [English, German and Danish] https://t.co/RRefFvFg7W | Feb 19 10:05 | |
| r_schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/02/the-unitary-patent-reason-to-allow.html?showComment=1455870263414#c6297869031931242833 | Feb 19 10:54 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: The unitary patent: a reason to allow double patenting? | Feb 19 10:54 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Feb 19 10:54 |
| r_schestowitz | Of course the issue of double patenting will make for some interesting decision making. The implementation set out in the SI gives the nervous nellies who are concerned about Article 27(k) UPC the choice of whether: | Feb 19 10:54 |
| r_schestowitz | • to just go for a UK national patent without an exemption of uncertain effect; | Feb 19 10:54 |
| r_schestowitz | • to go for a European bundle omitting the UK, so they can keep a parallel national patent without an exemption of uncertain effect, and thereby potentially have to run two actions rather than one just UPC action; | Feb 19 10:54 |
| r_schestowitz | • to forego the UK national patent without an exemption of uncertain effect once the European is granted if the claims are of commensurate scope, and thereby run the risk of UK nation declaration of non-infringement actions attempting to forestall the expanded scope of contributory infringement; | Feb 19 10:54 |
| r_schestowitz | • to have different claims in a European and a national (Which one do you want to have broader protection? Do you patent different parts of a system with national and European patents?); | Feb 19 10:54 |
| r_schestowitz | • to opt-in, opt-out, shake it all about; | Feb 19 10:54 |
| r_schestowitz | • to go unitary for the expanded contributory infringement scope; | Feb 19 10:54 |
| r_schestowitz | • to bury one’s head in one's hands and cry “it’s too difficult”; | Feb 19 10:54 |
| r_schestowitz | • etcetera. | Feb 19 10:54 |
| r_schestowitz | In contrast, those in other jurisdictions that have read the EPC will have a much simpler decision making process, and those who have preserved or indeed introduce double protection have given themselves a safeguard against UPC failure. | Feb 19 10:54 |
| r_schestowitz | What a mess. | Feb 19 10:54 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Feb 19 10:54 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Feb 19 10:55 |
| r_schestowitz | It is indeed a mess. | Feb 19 10:55 |
| r_schestowitz | Who ever said that UPC is something long awaited for as it will achieve simplification and eventually boost innovation in Europe, especially for SMEs? | Feb 19 10:55 |
| r_schestowitz | Answer: the politicians who decided without having a clear idea of what they have actually decided and the consequences thereof. | Feb 19 10:55 |
| r_schestowitz | As far as SMEs are concerned, there is question of a litigation insurance for SMEs..... | Feb 19 10:55 |
| r_schestowitz | Another source of problem with the UP and the UPC are national prior rights. They have been forgotten. Unitary means the same claims for all contracting states, whereas under the EPC claims can be different if the applicant wants the EPO to take into account national prior rights. It means that in presence of a national prior right in one of the contracting states, the applicant/proprietor will have no choice than to limit all his UP with | Feb 19 10:56 |
| r_schestowitz | respect to said one national prior right. Was this really wanted? | Feb 19 10:56 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Feb 19 10:56 |
| r_schestowitz | What a clusterf* | Feb 19 10:56 |
| r_schestowitz | > Hi, Roy, | Feb 19 11:11 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Feb 19 11:11 |
| r_schestowitz | > This page still seems blank and hidden from the public: | Feb 19 11:11 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Feb 19 11:11 |
| r_schestowitz | > http://techrights.org/2015/10/15/epo-aiding-a-racketeer/ | Feb 19 11:11 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 404 @ http://techrights.org/2015/10/15/epo-aiding-a-racketeer/ ) | Feb 19 11:11 | |
| r_schestowitz | > | Feb 19 11:11 |
| r_schestowitz | > Will it be back any time soon? | Feb 19 11:11 |
| r_schestowitz | I noticed someone reposted the whole thing in solyent after I had taken it down, so copies do exist on the Web, outside my control. With the BB goons still at the helm at EPO I don't want to provoke by republishing. If I do, at some stage, decide to make it public, I will announce it. I might even add some kind of "response" from the EPO to make it "balanced". | Feb 19 11:11 |
| r_schestowitz | Zoobab is now making copies of the site's patent articles and puts them on github just in case they'll try to censor us again. | Feb 19 11:11 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/700638857478348800 | Feb 19 11:12 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Sheikh_al_Touar: @zoobab @schestowitz Don't push to the front you have to wait in line to get your golden parachute my dear! https://t.co/GAW3wPwP4j | Feb 19 11:12 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Sheikh_al_Touar: @zoobab @schestowitz Don't push to the front you have to wait in line to get your golden parachute my dear! https://t.co/GAW3wPwP4j | Feb 19 11:12 | |
| r_schestowitz | >>> >> Hi, Roy, | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> >> | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> >> This page still seems blank and hidden from the public: | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> >> | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> >> http://techrights.org/2015/10/15/epo-aiding-a-racketeer/ | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> >> | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | >>> >> Will it be back any time soon? | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > I noticed someone reposted the whole thing in solyent after I had taken | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > it down, so copies do exist on the Web, outside my control. With the BB | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > goons still at the helm at EPO I don't want to provoke by republishing. | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > If I do, at some stage, decide to make it public, I will announce it. I | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > might even add some kind of "response" from the EPO to make it "balanced". | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | > Ok. Thanks. I was just wondering about the status. AFAIK it is the | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | > only one missing from the site. | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > Zoobab is now making copies of the site's patent articles and puts them | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | >> > on github just in case they'll try to censor us again. | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | > Good idea. | Feb 19 12:17 |
| r_schestowitz | BB might be out soon. | Feb 19 12:17 |
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| schestowitz | maybe this summer we'll go to old trafford before man united are history ;-) | Feb 19 13:34 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/02/the-unitary-patent-reason-to-allow.html?showComment=1455881260384#c2018114610159087064 | Feb 19 13:38 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: The unitary patent: a reason to allow double patenting? | Feb 19 13:38 | |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 19 13:38 |
| schestowitz | How is it that implementation of the Unitary Patent Package, which comprises two EU Regulations (nos. 1215 and 1257/2012) and an international treaty (the UPCA), can generate differences in laws between different countries? | Feb 19 13:38 |
| schestowitz | The answer is of course that the UPP only affects EPs and EPUEs, and not national patents (though, as several commentators have pointed out beforehand, that distinction is questionable, as the EPC requires EPs and national patents to have the same effect). | Feb 19 13:38 |
| schestowitz | Because of this, the signatories to the UPCA are merrily working away at implementing solutions that (e.g. due to new differences in the laws applying to national patents) may end up having a significant effect upon partitioning / fragmentation of the internal market. I may be mistaken, but I was under the impression that the European Commission takes a dim view of that kind of effect. | Feb 19 13:38 |
| schestowitz | So how can the UPP be justified if it introduces disharmony? The answer, of course, is supposed to be a more than counterbalancing increase in harmonisation for the law applying to patents granted by the EPO. However, the CJEU has confirmed that, for a EPUE, the "harmonisation" for EPs need only be achieved via the application of a single (national) law across the Participating Member States for that patent. Full harmonisation of different | Feb 19 13:38 |
| schestowitz | national laws is apparently not required - and certainly will not be achieved via the amendments currently proposed / implemented in various UPCA countries. | Feb 19 13:38 |
| schestowitz | I can fully understand the reasons why we have reached the point where a "unitary" patent can only be achieved via this kind of messy compromise. However, I am shocked that the political momentum behind the UPP is such that very little attention has been paid to the questions of whether it will all be worth it in the end, and whether the new system will achieve the intended goals. | Feb 19 13:38 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I worry too much about these points, but it appears to me that too much is being left to chance. Even a recent article in a special UPC supplement to CIPA magazine concluded that it will take many years for the courts to iron out the wrinkles (and significant uncertainty) caused by questionable divergences between different national laws on infringement. Whilst I am confident that these divergences will be resolved eventually, I still | Feb 19 13:38 |
| schestowitz | find it amazing that almost no effort is being made to resolve such fundamental issues before the UPP comes into force. To me, that represents the biggest missed opportunity of all. | Feb 19 13:38 |
| schestowitz | With this in mind, I shall sign off with one final thought. How does applying different national laws to different EPUEs conform with the ECHR, and in particular the prohibition of discrimination on the grounds of nationality? Remember that residence as defined in Article 7 of Reg. 1257/2012 could, at least in some circumstances, be the same as nationality. For me, this observation represents a good reason why, in the end, complete | Feb 19 13:38 |
| schestowitz | harmonisation of national laws of the UPCA member states will be the only practical way forward. | Feb 19 13:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 19 13:38 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/02/the-unitary-patent-reason-to-allow.html?showComment=1455882070167#c6476605684228437142 | Feb 19 13:40 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: The unitary patent: a reason to allow double patenting? [ http://ur1.ca/ojjqs ] | Feb 19 13:40 | |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 19 13:40 |
| schestowitz | To make things easier, according to the EPO (comments on Rule 5 UPP): | Feb 19 13:40 |
| schestowitz | Unitary effect can also be requested where a European patent was granted to multiple proprietors in respect of the same or different participating member states as long as said European patent has been granted with the same set of claims in respect of all the participating member states. | Feb 19 13:40 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 19 13:40 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/700649430534328321 | Feb 19 13:43 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Sheikh_al_Touar: “Further rumours,” said this one comment from last night is that [i]n order to go, Battistelli wants 18 millions €. https://t.co/e1Zu0eKihF | Feb 19 13:43 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Rumours Suggest That Battistelli, Already Enjoying Life With a Huge (But Still Secret) Salary, Wants More Than a Decade’s Worth of Salary to Leave | Techrights | Feb 19 13:43 | |
| schestowitz | > Cannot access weblog from any device of my own or Anita's. | Feb 19 17:01 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 19 17:01 |
| schestowitz | > I cannot think of anything I posted that would be reason for a ban. | Feb 19 17:01 |
| schestowitz | Present status of weblog | Feb 19 17:01 |
| schestowitz | > Users can access the weblog but they will see a bunch of text above the Logo. They can scroll down to see articles which appeared before the upgrade. However, I cannot login to edit or post. | Feb 19 17:01 |
| schestowitz | Let me have a look... | Feb 19 17:01 |
| schestowitz | > Hi Roy, | Feb 19 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 19 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > Whitelisted on new server. Any issues or questions let us know. | Feb 19 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 19 17:44 |
| schestowitz | > Kind Regards, | Feb 19 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Things have not been going well since this migration. First there was no DB and now there are errors that prevent the user from even logging in to address issues. Is there any way, such as compatibility mode, to revert back to a working state, even if only just to disable a plugin and compact the database? | Feb 19 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Regards, | Feb 19 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Roy | Feb 19 17:44 |
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| *Now talking on #techbytes | Feb 20 08:23 | |
| *Topic for #techbytes is: Welcome to the official channel of the TechBytes Audiocast | Feb 20 08:23 | |
| *Topic for #techbytes set by ThistleWeb!~gordon@unaffiliated/thistleweb at Wed Jan 5 20:55:35 2011 | Feb 20 08:23 | |
| liberty_box | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7052833 | Feb 20 09:54 |
| liberty_box | "useful idiots" | Feb 20 09:54 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: How the #BBC Abandoned Investigative Reporting http://gijn.org/2016/02/15/how-the-bbc-abandoned-investigative-reporting/ see http://techrights.org/2015/12/07/bbc-and-epo/ | Feb 20 09:54 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> gijn.org | How the BBC Abandoned Investigative Reporting | Global Investigative Journalism Network | Feb 20 09:54 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Did the EPO Spike a BBC Story Regarding Discriminatory Practices, Legal Bullying of Bloggers, and/or Microsoft Bias? | Techrights | Feb 20 09:54 | |
| liberty_box | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7052128 | Feb 20 09:59 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: For anyone who wanted proof that #ttip #tpp etc. written by anti-tech rich Luddites who fiercely crush progress http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/feb/18/mps-can-view-ttip-files-but-take-only-pencil-and-paper-with-them | Feb 20 09:59 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.theguardian.com | MPs can view TTIP files – but take only pencil and paper with them | Business | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/ojraz ] | Feb 20 09:59 | |
| liberty_box | "Democracy at work." | Feb 20 09:59 |
| liberty_box | https://twitter.com/nyakasanga/status/700908768154943488 | Feb 20 10:02 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@nyakasanga: Gates Foundation is a shell for tax evasion. https://t.co/sVqKnx40GW | Feb 20 10:02 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights | Feb 20 10:02 | |
| liberty_box | https://twitter.com/Tian_A1/status/700780669476032512 | Feb 20 10:02 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Tian_A1: Links 19/2/2016: Samsung's ARTIK, ZFS in Ubuntu 16.04 TechrightsContainers were an old and dec .. https://t.co/0RNeluO3OI #technology #links | Feb 20 10:02 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Links 19/2/2016: Samsung’s ARTIK, ZFS in Ubuntu 16.04 | Techrights | Feb 20 10:02 | |
| liberty_box | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/700822368961355777 | Feb 20 10:02 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz https://t.co/4mPt2IWxOX | Feb 20 10:02 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@WSJ: The Justice Department's new legal salvo at Apple; Harper Lee dies at 89; and more top stories https://t.co/YAx8k8TmOT | Feb 20 10:02 | |
| liberty_box | https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/700822368961355777 | Feb 20 10:03 |
| liberty_box | https://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/701002761966632960 | Feb 20 18:37 |
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| *Topic for #techbytes set by ThistleWeb!~gordon@unaffiliated/thistleweb at Wed Jan 5 20:55:35 2011 | Feb 20 18:38 | |
| liberty_box | <liberty_box> <liberty_box> https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/700822368961355777 | Feb 20 18:39 |
| liberty_box | <liberty_box> <liberty_box> https://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/701002761966632960 | Feb 20 18:39 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Sheikh_al_Touar: @schestowitz One day this guy will win an OSCAR for such comments! I for sure would miss his press conferences ;) https://t.co/bTNSwtWSFU | Feb 20 18:39 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Sheikh_al_Touar: @schestowitz One day this guy will win an OSCAR for such comments! I for sure would miss his press conferences ;) https://t.co/bTNSwtWSFU | Feb 20 18:39 | |
| liberty_box | https://twitter.com/LinuxFact/status/701007673525800960 | Feb 20 18:39 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@LinuxFact: #RaspberryPi Gets #OpenGL Support https://t.co/pFOJyIGNt6 #raspi #linux - via @schestowitz | Feb 20 18:39 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.linuxjournal.com | Raspberry Pi Gets OpenGL Support | Linux Journal | Feb 20 18:39 | |
| liberty_box | https://twitter.com/VlmHardy/status/701018063156727808 | Feb 20 18:40 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@VlmHardy: My best RTs this week came from: @schestowitz @SlateAgency #thankSAll Who were yours? https://t.co/PmSoCPxrq1 https://t.co/Lcm4cWZv9A | Feb 20 18:40 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://sumall.com/thankyou ) | Feb 20 18:40 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@VlmHardy: My best RTs this week came from: @schestowitz @SlateAgency #thankSAll Who were yours? https://t.co/PmSoCPxrq1 https://t.co/Lcm4cWZv9A | Feb 20 18:40 | |
| liberty_box | > I'm also forwarding you the latest documents published by staff rep on | Feb 20 20:23 |
| liberty_box | > Wednesday. The document in German is the one summarised by "Cynic" over | Feb 20 20:23 |
| liberty_box | > here: | Feb 20 20:23 |
| liberty_box | > http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/01/if-you-go-down-to-hague-today.html?showComment=1455751002589#c3594566955670088887 | Feb 20 20:23 |
| liberty_box | > | Feb 20 20:23 |
| liberty_box | > I would expect a translation in the other two official languages to be | Feb 20 20:23 |
| liberty_box | > forthcoming, as it was addressed to the Praesidium of the AC. | Feb 20 20:23 |
| liberty_box | I've looked into everything quickly. Some of it might be suitable for partial publishing. | Feb 20 20:23 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: "If you go down to the Hague today... [ http://ur1.ca/ojtfd ] | Feb 20 20:23 | |
| liberty_box | >>> The warning messages at the top are cleared and the weblog looks good | Feb 20 22:21 |
| liberty_box | >>> for viewers...but I cannot edit. | Feb 20 22:21 |
| liberty_box | >>> My user name "admin" and password,xxxxxxare not accepted for a | Feb 20 22:21 |
| liberty_box | >>> login to edit. When I try to use password recovery, | Feb 20 22:21 |
| liberty_box | >>> my email address is not recognized. | Feb 20 22:21 |
| liberty_box | >> | Feb 20 22:21 |
| liberty_box | >> I'm in yorkshire at the moment, will work on fixing it monday afternoon when back home. | Feb 20 22:21 |
| liberty_box | > Monday is fine. No urgency on my part, as they say...shit happens. | Feb 20 22:21 |
| liberty_box | > | Feb 20 22:21 |
| liberty_box | > Do they still serve Yorkshire pudding in Yorkshire? Haha. | Feb 20 22:21 |
| liberty_box | They serve it everywhere in the UK. Sometimes we by some, but it's not easy to cook right for crispiness. The site, in the mean time, looks OK. I will make sure the dashboard becomes accessible again. I'm pretty certain we'll get there this week... | Feb 20 22:21 |
| liberty_box | We're in Yorkshire at the moment, back home tomorrow... | Feb 20 22:23 |
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| liberty_box | didn't know this song till now... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-w1SYl6-Ik | Feb 20 22:55 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.youtube.com | Tie A Yellow Ribbon Around The Old Oak Tree - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/oju41 ] | Feb 20 22:55 | |
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