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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7512421 | Jun 19 00:37 |
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| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@linux@joindiaspora.com: 30 days in a terminal: Day 0 — The adventure begins http://www.networkworld.com/article/3083268/linux/30-days-in-a-terminal-day-0-the-adventure-begins.html | Jun 19 00:37 | |
| schestowitz | "fuck this kiddie stuff" | Jun 19 00:37 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.networkworld.com | 30 days in a terminal: Day 0 — The adventure begins | Network World | Jun 19 00:37 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/arun_i91/status/744217478629232640 | Jun 19 00:41 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@arun_i91: RT @schestowitz #intel even puts warning labels on its CPUs or machines with their CPUs in th … https://t.co/LuhNwYaJXK | Jun 19 00:41 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> social.systemreboot.net | Arun Isaac (arunisaac)'s status on Saturday, 18-Jun-2016 22:40:52 IST - systemreboot | Jun 19 00:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/744220963814924288 | Jun 19 00:41 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Sheikh_al_Touar: @Wikinaut @schestowitz The gossip factory is on fire! | Jun 19 00:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/aomsevero/status/744237201416986624 | Jun 19 00:42 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@aomsevero: @kaleldesouza @LeeoLima18 https://t.co/nh7vlcUWAr o que é isso, minha gente? O QUE É ISSO?!?! | Jun 19 00:42 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Last month: Mexican Congresswoman Declares War on Memes https://t.co/H4X0QfmHIq #mexico #meme | Jun 19 00:42 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/aomsevero/status/744239882491564032 | Jun 19 00:42 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@aomsevero: https://t.co/nh7vlcUWAr #TerceiraGuerraMemeal #QuartaGuerraMemeal gente, o inimigo agora é outro! | Jun 19 00:42 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/744253285012496384 | Jun 19 00:42 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@KrapulaPhD: @schestowitz @Sheikh_al_Touar Looks like some place we know ! https://t.co/tdHJfUnjUi | Jun 19 00:42 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@KrapulaPhD: @schestowitz @Sheikh_al_Touar Looks like some place we know ! https://t.co/tdHJfUnjUi | Jun 19 00:42 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/744275562294878208 | Jun 19 00:43 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Sheikh_al_Touar: @KrapulaPhD @schestowitz https://t.co/LbQjDERFxA | Jun 19 00:43 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Sheikh_al_Touar: @KrapulaPhD @schestowitz https://t.co/LbQjDERFxA | Jun 19 00:43 | |
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| schestowitz | > Dear Roy, | Jun 19 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 19 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > It was a hectic week. Hopefully Iĺl catch up in time: | Jun 19 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 19 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > battistelli_threatens_eboa.odt == battistelli-amenaza-al-eboa | Jun 19 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > epo_and_lobbying_media.odt == la-epo-y-el-cabildeo-de-los-medios | Jun 19 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > battistelli_buying_support.odt == battistelli-comprando-apoyo | Jun 19 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > battistelli_broadening_fti_consulting_deal.odt == | Jun 19 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > battistelli-ampliando-el-contrato-con-fti-consulting | Jun 19 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 19 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > Please keep them in these order. | Jun 19 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 19 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > I'll be more busy after this work change schedule, but I'll take care of as much | Jun 19 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > as EPO/UPC stuff as I can. | Jun 19 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 19 01:55 |
| schestowitz | > Cheers from the family | Jun 19 01:55 |
| schestowitz | Thanks so much, I'll start posting them now. Next weekend I'm away from home. | Jun 19 01:56 |
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| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4o7vv7/eli5_what_is_this_snap_thing/ | Jun 19 07:19 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | ELI5 what is this Snap thing? : linux | Jun 19 07:19 | |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 19 08:29 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/06/why-europe-may-ban-most-popular-weed-killer-world | Jun 19 08:29 |
| schestowitz | > - | Jun 19 08:29 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.dn.se/ekonomi/nastan-alla-testade-ol-inneholl-vaxtgift/ | Jun 19 08:29 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.sciencemag.org | Why Europe may ban the most popular weed killer in the world | Science | AAAS | Jun 19 08:29 | |
| schestowitz | > "The concentrations of glyphosate in Testfakta testing is up to 360 | Jun 19 08:30 |
| schestowitz | > times above the limit for drinking water." | Jun 19 08:30 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.dn.se | Nästan alla testade öl innehöll växtgift - DN.SE | Jun 19 08:30 | |
| schestowitz | > https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http://www.dn.se/ekonomi/nastan-alla-testade-ol-inneholl-vaxtgift/ | Jun 19 08:30 |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 19 08:30 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-translate.google.com | Google Translate | Jun 19 08:30 | |
| schestowitz | > http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/16/radical-islams-next-victim/ | Jun 19 08:30 |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 19 08:30 |
| schestowitz | > http://variety.com/2016/biz/news/net-neutrality-fcc-open-internet-washington-1201796335/ | Jun 19 08:30 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.washingtontimes.com | Radical Islam's next victim - Washington Times | Jun 19 08:30 | |
| schestowitz | > - | Jun 19 08:30 |
| schestowitz | > https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/editorials/2016/06/18/editorial-net-neutrality-ruling-keeps-internet-open-all/SdqHFEzFqKxi1E0EmXDMEP/story.html | Jun 19 08:30 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-variety.com | Net Neutrality: FCC’s Open Internet Rules — What’s Next | Variety | Jun 19 08:30 | |
| schestowitz | > - | Jun 19 08:30 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/net-neutrality-explained-what-this-weeks-us-court-decision-means-20160616-gpl4sc.html | Jun 19 08:30 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.bostonglobe.com | Editorial: Net neutrality ruling keeps the Internet open to all - The Boston Globe | Jun 19 08:30 | |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 19 08:30 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/06/isis-orlando-shooting/487574/ | Jun 19 08:30 |
| schestowitz | > and before too | Jun 19 08:30 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.smh.com.au | 'Net neutrality' explained: what this week's US court decision means | Jun 19 08:30 | |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 19 08:30 |
| schestowitz | > "systematic manipulation of the primary process. Over 400 super | Jun 19 08:30 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.theatlantic.com | The Many Kinds of ISIS 'Affiliation' - The Atlantic | Jun 19 08:30 | |
| schestowitz | > delegates pledged their support to Clinton before a single person cast a | Jun 19 08:30 |
| schestowitz | > vote, the DNC is led by a Clinton surrogate, and mass consent for | Jun 19 08:30 |
| schestowitz | > Clinton’s coronation was fed to the public through mainstream media | Jun 19 08:30 |
| schestowitz | > outlets owned by wealthy Clinton donors." | Jun 19 08:30 |
| schestowitz | > http://observer.com/2016/06/guccifer-2-0-leak-reveals-how-dnc-rigged-primaries-for-clinton/ | Jun 19 08:30 |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 19 08:30 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-observer.com | Guccifer 2.0 Leak Reveals How DNC Rigged Primaries for Clinton | Observer | Jun 19 08:30 | |
| schestowitz | > old: | Jun 19 08:30 |
| schestowitz | > "That’s not the way it works,” she says. “This is the product of | Jun 19 08:30 |
| schestowitz | > indoctrination that goes on year after year. In North America and Europe" | Jun 19 08:30 |
| schestowitz | > http://observer.com/2016/04/why-ayaan-hirsi-alis-criticism-of-islam-angers-western-liberals/ | Jun 19 08:30 |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 19 08:30 |
| schestowitz | > "Currently, Malaysia, Brazil and Romania account for the greatest | Jun 19 08:30 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-observer.com | Why Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s Criticism of Islam Angers Western Liberals | Observer | Jun 19 08:30 | |
| schestowitz | > traffic from Conficker, according to F-Secure data. While the United | Jun 19 08:30 |
| schestowitz | > States generally tops the list of total malware infections, the nation | Jun 19 08:30 |
| schestowitz | > is edged out by India for Conficker infections" | Jun 19 08:30 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.eweek.com/security/venerable-conficker-worm-survives-on-obsolete-legacy-systems.html | Jun 19 08:30 |
| schestowitz | > keeping the dream alive, going on 8 years | Jun 19 08:30 |
| schestowitz | > fails to mention GNU/Linux as a way out | Jun 19 08:30 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.eweek.com | Venerable Conficker Worm Survives on Obsolete Legacy Systems | Jun 19 08:30 | |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 19 08:30 |
| schestowitz | > https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/18/turkish-radiohead-fans-attacked-istanbul | Jun 19 08:30 |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 19 08:30 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.theguardian.com | Turkish Radiohead fans attacked at listening party in Istanbul | World news | The Guardian | Jun 19 08:30 | |
| schestowitz | > http://blather.michaelwlucas.com/archives/2703 | Jun 19 08:30 |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 19 08:30 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.salon.com/2016/06/18/the_fight_isnt_over_for_farm_worker_overtime_partner/ | Jun 19 08:30 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-blather.michaelwlucas.com | Why I refuse to join Kindle Unlimited « blather.michaelwlucas.com | Jun 19 08:30 | |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 19 08:31 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.salon.com | Seventy years of exploitation: The enduring plight of California’s farm workers - Salon.com | Jun 19 08:31 | |
| schestowitz | > "because if anybody wins this, we all lose." | Jun 19 08:31 |
| schestowitz | > https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=16/06/18/1515254 | Jun 19 08:31 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=16/06/18/1515254 ) | Jun 19 08:31 | |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 19 08:31 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/data/73399-apple-to-use-%E2%80%98differential-privacy%E2%80%99-ios-10-to-gain-more-insight.html | Jun 19 08:31 |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 19 08:31 |
| schestowitz | > https://torrentfreak.com/google-sees-dmca-notices-quadruple-in-two-years-160618/ | Jun 19 08:31 |
| schestowitz | > neither fees nor service charges are mentioned, MPAA and RIAA are just | Jun 19 08:31 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.itwire.com | iTWire - Apple to use ‘Differential Privacy’ iOS 10 to gain more insight | Jun 19 08:31 | |
| schestowitz | > DoS-ing Google | Jun 19 08:31 |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 19 08:31 |
| schestowitz | > http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/06/video-sharing-sites-win-big-in-dcma-legal-fight/ | Jun 19 08:31 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-torrentfreak.com | Google Sees DMCA Notices Quadruple In Two Years - TorrentFreak | Jun 19 08:31 | |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 19 08:31 |
| schestowitz | > http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/06/dirty-cops-on-silk-road-case-dont-negate-ross-ulbrichts-guilt-doj-says/ | Jun 19 08:31 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-arstechnica.com | DMCA wins big in record label lawsuit against Vimeo | Ars Technica | Jun 19 08:31 | |
| schestowitz | > punishment for making a web site? | Jun 19 08:31 |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 19 08:31 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-arstechnica.com | Ross Ulbricht created Silk Road and deserved life sentence, DOJ argues | Ars Technica | Jun 19 08:31 | |
| schestowitz | > older: | Jun 19 08:31 |
| schestowitz | > http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/06/what-is-open-access-free-sharing-of-all-human-knowledge/ | Jun 19 08:31 |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 19 08:31 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-arstechnica.com | Open access: All human knowledge is there—so why can’t everybody access it? | Ars Technica | Jun 19 08:31 | |
| schestowitz | > http://www.theverge.com/2016/6/17/11957258/iex-sec-approves-stock-exchange | Jun 19 08:31 |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 19 08:31 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.theverge.com | The startup trying to clean up Wall Street just became an official stock exchange | The Verge | Jun 19 08:31 | |
| schestowitz | > http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20160617141448&mode=expanded | Jun 19 08:31 |
| schestowitz | > slides, no video | Jun 19 08:31 |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 19 08:31 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-undeadly.org | BSDCan 2016 Presentations Online | Jun 19 08:31 | |
| schestowitz | > http://fieldguide.gizmodo.com/5-reasons-to-install-linux-on-your-laptop-1781833159 | Jun 19 08:31 |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 19 08:31 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-fieldguide.gizmodo.com | 5 Reasons to Install Linux on Your Laptop | Jun 19 08:31 | |
| schestowitz | > http://www.cio.com/article/3084888/it-skills-training/is-open-source-a-clear-path-to-success-for-new-grads.html | Jun 19 08:31 |
| schestowitz | > it was so obvious in the 90's that no one had to ask this question then | Jun 19 08:31 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.cio.com | Is open source a clear path to success for new grads? | CIO | Jun 19 08:31 | |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 19 08:31 |
| schestowitz | > older: | Jun 19 08:31 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.computerworlduk.com/applications/deutsche-bank-lays-out-its-disruptive-technology-strategy-says-it-has-proven-out-use-of-blockchain-3642001/ | Jun 19 08:31 |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 19 08:31 |
| schestowitz | > older: | Jun 19 08:31 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.computerworlduk.com | Deutsche Bank moves blockchain project out of proof of concept stage | Applications | Computerworld UK | Jun 19 08:31 | |
| schestowitz | > “It’s probably bad if all our media and communications are going | Jun 19 08:31 |
| schestowitz | > through services that are controlled by profit-driven corporations.” | Jun 19 08:31 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/06/ev-williams-is-the-forrest-gump-of-the-internet/486899/ | Jun 19 08:31 |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 19 08:31 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.theatlantic.com | Ev Williams is The Forrest Gump of the Internet - The Atlantic | Jun 19 08:31 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/mellenoweth/status/744440223946391552 | Jun 19 13:09 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@mellenoweth: @schestowitz really? More than eg droning innocents, putting troops into countries not declared war on, CIA funding Bin Laden against USSR? | Jun 19 13:09 | |
| schestowitz | Not my words | Jun 19 13:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/744440626368765952 | Jun 19 13:10 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Metztli_IT: Let's not forget that Judaism, Islam, & Christianity, derive from a common misogynist & homophobic patriarchal root: https://t.co/gY25Aod1fk | Jun 19 13:10 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: "Failing to call Islamic terror by its name breeds more violence" https://t.co/3JEtPIRiAI | Jun 19 13:10 | |
| schestowitz | Some exercise the prejudice more than others | Jun 19 13:10 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/744443529452261376 | Jun 19 13:11 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-No status found with that ID. | Jun 19 13:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/744444016293515265 | Jun 19 13:11 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@SeaH2ONymph: Morgan Stanley: 85 cents of every new dollar in online advertising went to Google or Facebook in early 2016 https://t.co/vS9mLKTaBE | Jun 19 13:11 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: “media and communications are going through services that are controlled by profit-driven corporations.” https://t.co/Cd8Ym9GvnM | Jun 19 13:11 | |
| schestowitz | "Late to the game: 'probably bad' if all media/comms going through services controlled by profit-driven corporations" | Jun 19 13:11 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/passcod/status/744445046871580672 | Jun 19 13:12 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@passcod: Just what I was thinking about. Great news! https://t.co/HJbgzjcsNT | Jun 19 13:12 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: It’s Official: #VLC 3.0 Will Get #Chromecast Support https://t.co/19s35sNY5f my media player of choice these days | Jun 19 13:12 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/mellenoweth/status/744503133506777088 | Jun 19 13:13 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@mellenoweth: @schestowitz sorry! Was agreeing/supporting/commenting article not you! but see how reads otherwise! | Jun 19 13:13 | |
| schestowitz | My rants from around 1am about PCworld are worth coverage, I think, I can provide more info | Jun 19 13:18 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/744511057532641280 | Jun 19 13:54 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Metztli_IT: Accepting premises of ANY of them as 'truth' taints life of individual —vice remains latent & turn fanatical anytime https://t.co/vPQawbKnOu | Jun 19 13:54 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: @Metztli_IT Some exercise the prejudice more than others | Jun 19 13:54 | |
| schestowitz | My rants from around 1am about PCworld are worth coverage, I think, I can provide more info | Jun 19 13:54 |
| schestowitz | "You want me to update that story? It's from 2 years ago :)" | Jun 19 13:54 |
| schestowitz | maybe new article | Jun 19 13:54 |
| schestowitz | "Ok :) Will have to get home first, I'm in a short 3-day holiday right now." | Jun 19 14:18 |
| schestowitz | > Do you think Brits will vote to exit the. E.U.? | Jun 19 18:09 |
| schestowitz | No. | Jun 19 18:09 |
| schestowitz | > If they do, will it be a positive or negative for the economy. But if it would be a negative, why would they even consider withdrawing? | Jun 19 18:09 |
| schestowitz | I think there's lots of self interest here, partly the banks (they dislike EU regulation) and mostly the nationalist parties. People will (hopefully) grasp this before Thursday and vote with their brain, not with their heart (or flag). | Jun 19 18:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/744556274252144640 https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/744551161693339652 | Jun 19 18:13 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: @jwildeboer git commit hook that triggers Hoedown converter, then being pushed to a directory served by nginx or any webserver. | Jun 19 18:13 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: @jwildeboer If you understand french: https://t.co/07upsXPqAS | Jun 19 18:13 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> linuxfr.org | FsPages : un publicateur de pages statiques pour Gitlab - LinuxFr.org | Jun 19 18:13 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7512419 | Jun 19 18:35 |
| schestowitz | "because one would argue with what is bad ui and what is good ui, that’s how holywars start, not experiments" | Jun 19 18:35 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 30 days in a terminal: Day 0 — The adventure begins http://www.networkworld.com/article/3083268/linux/30-days-in-a-terminal-day-0-the-adventure-begins.html #gnu #linux | Jun 19 18:35 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.networkworld.com | 30 days in a terminal: Day 0 — The adventure begins | Network World | Jun 19 18:35 | |
| schestowitz | "There were lots of people at Libreplanet that live in virtual consoles. Lunduke? Let’s just say that I don’t expect success." | Jun 19 18:35 |
| schestowitz | He has become better in recent years, less provocative | Jun 19 18:35 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7515001 | Jun 19 18:35 |
| schestowitz | "Ruby can cause headache." | Jun 19 18:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 20 Most Important Programming Languages In The World http://fossbytes.com/20-most-important-programming-languages-of-the-world/ 'important' | Jun 19 18:36 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> fossbytes.com | 20 Most Important Programming Languages In The World | Jun 19 18:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7512006 | Jun 19 18:36 |
| schestowitz | "The author still thinks of Windows and Microsoft Word as a private place, but it’s obvious that Microsoft is watching every keystroke and analyzing every sentence." | Jun 19 18:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Why #LinkedIn Will Make You Hate #Microsoft #Word http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/17/opinion/why-linkedin-will-make-you-hate-microsoft-word.html Article neglects to mention #LibreOffice | Jun 19 18:36 | |
| schestowitz | Because terrorism | Jun 19 18:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times | Jun 19 18:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7515190 | Jun 19 18:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Well, based on a lot of blog posts from #randa #kde has evolved fast this past week. Lots of improvements in many areas inc. applications. | Jun 19 18:36 | |
| schestowitz | "Can’t wait to see progress on mobile" | Jun 19 18:36 |
| schestowitz | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11929959 | Jun 19 18:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:37 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-news.ycombinator.com | Reddit censorship | Hacker News | Jun 19 18:37 | |
| schestowitz | Shadowbans aren't meant for censorship. It's an artifact of old Reddit design for spammers that hasn't been replaced yet. (I know the CEO mentioned that was on the agenda, hence the improved suspension option) | Jun 19 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Hacker News does shadowbans too which I am not happy about, but that's another story. | Jun 19 18:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:38 |
| schestowitz | > Hacker News does shadowbans too which I am not happy about, but that's another story. | Jun 19 18:38 |
| schestowitz | We almost never do that anymore except in cases of spammers or new accounts that appear to be trolling, i.e. the cases where telling people you banned them tends to be problematic. Apart from those, we almost always post a comment in the thread saying that we banned the account. | Jun 19 18:38 |
| schestowitz | https://hn.algolia.com/?query=by:dang%20banned%20this%20acco... | Jun 19 18:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:38 |
| schestowitz | " I have noticed those comments recently and they are much of an improvement. :) " | Jun 19 18:38 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-hn.algolia.com | HN Search powered by Algolia | Jun 19 18:38 | |
| schestowitz | " I don't see anything that I would describe as "spamming" in that account's history. I can't say what the feature was meant for, but we can see how it's been used. " | Jun 19 18:38 |
| schestowitz | " If you mean the overview screenshot in the article, keep in mind that there is no timestamp on that screenshot. It's possible that the submissions by that user between when the screenshot was taken and the shadowbox may be more questionable. " | Jun 19 18:38 |
| schestowitz | " They changes their tactics now https://voat.co/v/MeanwhileOnReddit/comments/1083516 " | Jun 19 18:38 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-voat.co | Reddit admins quietly update a 16 day old changelog post: you are now tracked even if logged out, but it's for your own good | MeanwhileOnReddit | Jun 19 18:38 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:39 |
| schestowitz | This is from 2015. Reddit removed their shadowbans for regular users (still enabled for spammers, I think) [1]. | Jun 19 18:39 |
| schestowitz | And, by the way, calling out censorship because of 1 shadowban when there's even a subreddit to know if you're shadowbanned (https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowBan/, appears when you search shadowban reddit) is too much of a stretch, I think. | Jun 19 18:39 |
| schestowitz | 1: https://techcrunch.com/2015/11/11/reddit-account-suspensions... | Jun 19 18:39 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | shadow ban admins mods hell | Jun 19 18:39 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:39 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techcrunch.com | Reddit Replaces Its Confusing Shadowban System With Account Suspensions | TechCrunch | Jun 19 18:39 | |
| schestowitz | " I don't know anything about shadowbans, much less changes in policies about them. I only submitted the link because I thought it was an interesting read. " | Jun 19 18:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Free speech is a concept of government. Reddit is a for-proft corporation. It's not censorship, it's a business refining its model. | Jun 19 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Joke's on you that you thought reddit was anything but. | Jun 19 18:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | The joke is on me, I guess. I've never understood how the line is drawn. Freedom of speech and religion are both in amendment one. Free speech is a right, but one can, evidently, open a website and suppress any opinion one chooses. Freedom of religion is a right, but one cannot use religious beliefs to deny gay people their rights. [1] That seems like a double standard to me and I've yet to find a way to reconcile it. | Jun 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | edit: grammar, edit2: supporting story | Jun 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | [1] http://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-orders-colorado-bakery-cater-... | Jun 19 18:40 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 404 @ http://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-orders-colorado-bakery-cater- ) | Jun 19 18:40 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | Freedom of speech protects you from government prosecution, with certain limitations like yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater, etc. It doesn't mean that others (e.g. Reddit) have to give you a platform for your speech. | Jun 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | Freedom of religion won't let you practice something that impinges upon the rights of others or violates a law. | Jun 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | ' | Jun 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | " While I 100% agree they aren't doing anything illegal, it's still a shady business practice. ' | Jun 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | If someone was censoring comments not kind to the pharma industry on that post, you would think they would have also removed the comment that starts | Jun 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | "... horrible horrible medication. don't take it." | Jun 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | " Reddit had shadow bans way before Conde Nast. This article acts like it's blown up this huge conspiracy, but only uncovered something that is common knowledge. It has all the conspiratorial fervor of the most witch hunt-y Reddit threads—and it's not a good look. " | Jun 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | " I have stopped going on reddit. There is an obvious agenda trying to be pushed in the guise of a purely user driven content aggregator. " | Jun 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:41 |
| schestowitz | Shadow banning _is_ censorship. It causes intellectual decline of a site because over time it reduces the audience to a synchronized minimum of wanted opinions like a communistic party. | Jun 19 18:41 |
| schestowitz | The only answer for such a policy is boycott, and to convince also other visitors by verbal propaganda to boycott. There are so many sites in the Internet. We actually don't depend on Reddit and the like. | Jun 19 18:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:41 |
| schestowitz | " Everyone has an agenda. techrights.org has an agenda. Hacker news has an agenda (You think you can post whatever you want here and not get banned?). " | Jun 19 18:41 |
| schestowitz | " But most are clear about them, not lying. Also, let's not forget when they called themselves a bastion of free speech, where people can come to share ideas. " | Jun 19 18:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:42 |
| schestowitz | FWIW the "others don't see my posts, only I do" is called "shadow-banning" or "stealth banning": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_banning | Jun 19 18:42 |
| schestowitz | The practice involves making a user's contributions invisible to all other users, but visible to themselves, making them less likely to create new accounts to add the same material. | Jun 19 18:42 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.wikipedia.org | Stealth banning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Jun 19 18:42 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:42 |
| schestowitz | " Ironic how this will be flagged to shit and seen by only a few. " | Jun 19 18:42 |
| schestowitz | personal attacks from camp fedora: | Jun 19 18:45 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4omzaj/canonicals_and_red_hats_shameful_war_against_one/ | Jun 19 18:45 |
| schestowitz | "" | Jun 19 18:45 |
| schestowitz | So few employees from both camps are talking shit and it's suddenly a big Red Hat vs. Canonical war? | Jun 19 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Also the writer has difficulties keeping his ideological views at check making me question his objectivity when it comes to reporting. | Jun 19 18:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:45 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | Canonical’s and Red Hat’s Shameful War Against One Another… and Against the Already-Marginalised Linux Media : linux | Jun 19 18:45 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Do note that he's factually incorrect over my employment. I do not and have never worked for Red Hat in Fedora or any other capacity. | Jun 19 18:45 |
| schestowitz | And after I pointed this out to him he just put a strike through "Red Hat" even though the rest of his rant made no sense then and it still calls me a Fedora employee... | Jun 19 18:45 |
| schestowitz | So at this point I can only state he's printing deliberate falsehood willfully... unless he actually does go and fix things in a bit. | Jun 19 18:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:45 |
| schestowitz | "It's techrights.org, that should be a given" | Jun 19 18:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Its a shame to read something like that. Why do people always seeing hate, others being "pissed of" and declaring war of two parties where no such thing happened. | Jun 19 18:46 |
| schestowitz | From my point of view following happened. | Jun 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Canonical employees asking for help on how to package snap on different distros. In case of Suse the canonical employee was hinted to the official documentation like every other user would be directed. https://www.reddit.com/r/openSUSE/comments/4o2pdj/universal_snap_packages_launch_on_multiple_linux/d49ae89 | Jun 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | In case of Debian the guy working on it was a canonical employee | Jun 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | In case of Arch it was a kind arch user helping an canonical employee to get this thing up to AUR https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4ocwft/a_third_of_a_libreoffice_snap_lo_snap_size/d4blsss https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4ocwft/a_third_of_a_libreoffice_snap_lo_snap_size/d4bma34 | Jun 19 18:47 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | rbrownsuse comments on Universal “snap” packages launch on multiple Linux distros - currently being validated on openSUSE? | Jun 19 18:47 | |
| schestowitz | In case of Fedora Michael Hall from Canonical ask for help how to build this on Fedora COPR https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4o0t6e/libreoffice_520_beta2_as_a_snap_package/d497nkg | Jun 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | and so on | Jun 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | In every case a canonical employee was asking how to build their snap on different distros in their PPA equivalent user repository (that every one can publish packages) and their where guided to official documentation. | Jun 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | After that canonical released this http://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/06/14/universal-snap-packages-launch-on-multiple-linux-distros/ | Jun 19 18:47 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | blackout24 comments on A third of a LibreOffice snap – LO snap size reduced to 287mb | Jun 19 18:47 | |
| schestowitz | Developers from multiple Linux distributions and companies today announced collaboration on the “snap” ... This community is working at snapcraft.io to provide a single publication mechanism for any software in any Linux environment. | Jun 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | If you ask me, hints to the official documentation on how to build software on suse, fedore ... etc. is not an announcement of collaboration. | Jun 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | After that we saw various tech articles implying that the linux community and most mayor linux distributions found together to pull on one string – named snap – to solve the "problem". If you read comments on those articles readers/users are happily cheering to canonical that their bring together all mayor linux distribution to join forces and all happily working together on snap. | Jun 19 18:47 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | blackout24 comments on A third of a LibreOffice snap – LO snap size reduced to 287mb | Jun 19 18:47 | |
| schestowitz | The truth is, non of this ever happened. Wondering whats happening James Hogarth – a Proven Packager for Fedora, not an employee of Fedora nor RH – is reaching out to the journalist that copy pasted the canonical press release without investigating if the claim from canonical is true | Jun 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Developers from multiple Linux distributions and companies today announced collaboration on the “snap” ... This community is working at snapcraft.io to provide a single publication mechanism for any software in any Linux environment. | Jun 19 18:47 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | mhall119 comments on LibreOffice 5.2.0 beta2 as a snap package | Jun 19 18:47 | |
| schestowitz | and at least implying in their articles that exactly this happened. Not a huge amount of journalists replied. On of them Jon Brodkin – from arstechnica.com – was not very gallantly saying | Jun 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Linux nerds with frothing hatred of Ubuntu are always good for a few laughs | Jun 19 18:47 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-insights.ubuntu.com | Universal “snap” packages launch on multiple Linux distros | Ubuntu Insights | Jun 19 18:47 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jbrodkin/status/743867165758095360 | Jun 19 18:47 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@jbrodkin: Linux nerds with frothing hatred of Ubuntu are always good for a few laughs | Jun 19 18:47 | |
| schestowitz | that's the story so far i was seeing them. And from this point of view, i cannot see anyone being pissed of – just people claiming every one is pissed of, a ubuntu hater or whatever. | Jun 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | "Oh really? Did you even hang around this sub in the past 3 days? I personally saw a lot of Ubuntu hate but whatever, I'll just mention what I felt on my own skin. I was completely bashed by a few shills just for stating they were blowing the size difference of the original LO snap in comparison with appimage and flatpak completely out of proportion. Right on the following day a new regular sized snap came out and all the pitchforks were | Jun 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | thrown away. And I have nothing to do with Canonical or Ubuntu but sure was treated as if I were one of their PRs just for stating a slightly pro-Snap opinion... Or should I dare say, for setting this particular fact straight? " | Jun 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Go search my name, i guess i am on every single one of them. | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Yes, i don't know why people react like that. I mean its natural to say "hey the snap is 7 times bigger.. whats going on, i don't want that" and now that the snap is only two times bigger than the Flatpak things settled a bit. But i don't know why people outrage by every single bit. | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | I am really confused at how many people react on certain topics. I really cannot believe there are really so many "Ubuntu/RH-Fanboys" out there. In reality – i think – there are just normal people having opinions an certain "products" may it be snap or Flatpak. They are unrelated to each faction and just saying "hey i like X on product Y" and now he is a "Product Y - Fanboy" and vice versa the other way around. People just making other | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | people to fanboys or haters just because they have a different opinion. | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Is it not possible to like or dislike certain points of a "product" without beeing a fanboy or hater? Can i not dislike snap for having no (easy) way of running my own repository/store without beeing a Ubuntu hater? Can i not like Flatpak for achieving this very easily without being a RH-Fanboy? Can i not dislike that Canonical at least is somewhat dishonest about who is collaborating with them without being a Canonical hater? | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | People just making other people to fanboys or haters just because their have a different opinion. | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Yes I think that's mostly how it works. | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | But what annoys me above else in the so-called "Linux community", whatever that might be, is how quickly some people jump the gun to conclusions regarding the motivation behind certain decisions, without considering other possibilities. I mean, sometimes people do stupid things, sometimes they are careless, sometimes they are incompetent, sometimes they make mistakes, such is life. The criticism certainly is expected and deserved, but why | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | often carry with that criticism a veil of conspiracy and suspicion implying there must be an evil motivation behind it? | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Is it not possible to like or dislike certain points of a "product" without beeing a fanboy or hater? Can i not dislike snap for having no (easy) way of running my own repository/store without beeing a Ubuntu hater? Can i not like Flatpak for achieving this very easily without being a RH-Fanboy? Can i not dislike that Canonical at least is somewhat dishonest about who is collaborating with them without being a Canonical hater? | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | This relates a bit with what I just wrote. I think those are perfectly valid points. My opinion is that I believe the current limitations of Snap shall be tackled in due time, if it really must become the standard for binary compatibility across distros, otherwise it will naturally fail to receive mass adoption. After all, it's not the only solution around and flatpak is coming along fine. My point being that during the discussions, some | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | commentators always paint the situation as if Snap is only ever going to work without possibly running an external repository (just the way they assumed the snaps would ever be massively oversized), so therefore this must be an evil control scheme devised by Canonical. | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Sure the criticism is valid, because in my opinion they rushed this announcement in a time when snapd is far from mature or documented for that matter, and were simply careless by stating a developer involvement which they perhaps mistakenly expect will happen, but hadn't yet been confirmed at all. Perhaps they were confident in assuming everybody would immediately jump on board of the wagon because they haven't bothered to check how flatpak | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | is doing. Or perhaps I'm being naive. But at least I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt. Take a look at this thread on /r/ubuntu as an example.. | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | We get a lot of flak for some pretty inane things. We also get well-warranted critique for things which we probably should have thought through better. Some decisions (Amazon lens) genuinely surprised us internally how much poor feeling there was. It doesn't matter how many times you say "you can switch it off" or "you're using it wrong". We were never going to win that one without fixing/removing it. | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Even Canonical insiders genuinely thought implementing the Amazon lens would be a good idea and were surprised about how badly it was received. It was a poor implementation for sure, being active by default, and the criticism was deserved, but where was the benefit of the doubt regarding the motivation behind the feature itself? There was none! The consensus of the "community" jumped the gun declaring Canonical was spying on its users and | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | selling their private data to Amazon - there was hardly any discussion regarding the usefulness of the feature itself. And so the outrage spread so hard they eventually had to disable it completely not because it sucked - maybe it did - but because it had been permanently labeled as an evil spying plot against users. | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | "Word! I wonder why this conversation is working so well compared to the other "threads/posts". Maybe its due to the fact that this Post is not that popular and therefor not that useful for those attention seeking people that love to outcry in public? I can only hope this settles a bit and the developers – the people actually working instead of the ones only complaining and whining – can go in with their work to come up with the best | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | solution they can deliver :)" | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Another day, another hysterical holier-than-thou screed from Techrights. | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | The phrase "divorced from reality" usually applies to these outbursts. | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | " As a reminder for those who are not paying close enough attention, Flatpak is loosely connected to Systemd, probably Red Hat’s most controversial ‘lock-in’ at the moment. On the other hand, Canonical is trying to push its own ‘standards’, which it can probably do given its dominant position on the desktop (and almost on the server as well)." | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | ROFL, look at all the downvotes flying. The RH paid shills lurking around sure took offense at this piece, because their masks fell right into the ground. They cannot hide anymore behind their angelic farce of the good guys of opensource. | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | The guy definitely put the facts completely straight though. Canonical tried to sell its kool-aid by releasing a pompous press announcement of Snaps alledgedly being disseminated everywhere, but with just the right amount of indefinition and vagueness so that RH shills would come along and start blowing the whole thing apart everywhere, sometimes by just straight making up bullshit. Fell right into the trap. Not only is bad publicity still | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | publicity, but also RH's PR sham is now out in the open for all to see - Twitter, Reddit, G+, mailing lists, tech journalists, EVERYWHERE. The conspiracy is real. Meanwhile, what's that flatpak thing again? | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | "|What conspiracy?" | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | "systemd of course!" | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Funny, Canonical paid Debian developers to vote for Upstart and against systemd and now Canonical pays Zygmunt Krynicki (zyga) to create packages of Snap for other distributions and create the impression of massive cross-distribution collaboration and yet it is constantly claimed that Red Hat needs to pay Debian members to vote for systemd or that the "We don't like Canonical's asymmetric CLA licensing" crowd among the FOSS movement just has | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | that opinion because it's paid by Red Hat. | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | The conspiracy is real. | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Not sure if you made a joke or you're actually that wacko. | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | "Having employees isn't exactly a conspiracy" | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Having employees isn't exactly a conspiracy | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Why are you replying me? I never wrote about a conspiracy. That Debian developers on Canonical's payroll voted in favor of Canonical technologies is not a conspiracy. It's fact. | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | "won't be long before the NSA bitch's redhat's PR department are in here in force to downvote this to hell." | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | "They already were, look at how this post is being completely ignored after 10 hours and compare it with the visibility of the one from yesterday linking to the opinion of the AdamW Fedora guy. I seriously thought I would find extensive discussion on this one too but here we are..." | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxActionShow/comments/4olgly/canonicals_and_red_hats_shameful_war_against_one/ | Jun 19 18:50 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | Canonical’s and Red Hat’s Shameful War Against One Another… and Against the Already-Marginalised Linux Media : LinuxActionShow | Jun 19 18:50 | |
| schestowitz | "The battle between flatpak and snaps is good for us users." | Jun 19 18:50 |
| schestowitz | "When technical merits are the ones deciding the winner, sure, not petty politics." | Jun 19 18:50 |
| schestowitz | "Competition is all of the above.just because it is open source doesn't mean it has to be all kumbaya." | Jun 19 18:50 |
| schestowitz | "Ubuntu is using systemd and so are most distros. Where's the lockout?" | Jun 19 18:51 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/4omvvv/canonicals_and_red_hats_shameful_war_against_one/ | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | This article is some weird tinfoil hat bullshit. | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | I write for Ars Technica and for opensource.com. Ars does not have a problem with me writing the article there making it abundantly clear that I'm an Ubuntu guy. Opensource.com - which is a red hat owned and operated initiative - tries very hard to be distro agnostic and frequently asks me to remove references to ANY distribution, specifically INCLUDING red hat, fedora, and CentOS. They do not, however, have any kind of "blacklist" about it, | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | don't try to get me to edit terminal sessions to make it less obvious that I'm using Ubuntu, don't complain about me answering commenters that I personally prefer Ubuntu, etc. | Jun 19 18:52 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | Canonical’s and Red Hat’s Shameful War Against One Another… and Against the Already-Marginalised Linux Media : Ubuntu | Jun 19 18:52 | |
| schestowitz | I have fewer specific things to say about Canonical's press interaction, because frankly they just kinda don't have any. Closest analogy to opensource.com for them is omgubuntu, and it's a third party fan blog that they've just given a little help to. I do interact with Canonical people reasonably frequently at conventions though, and I've certainly never gotten the sense that anyone wasn't "pure enough" or whatever. | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | I think this blog I've never heard of just has a bug up its ass frankly. I'd welcome any specific examples of the kind of behavior it's alleging. | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | And for all you people arguing about "which" of the two organizations is "the good guy" and which is "the bully" - that's a false dichotomy. They're both good. | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | First of all, they both produce one hell of a lot of GPL code. Nobody says you have to like any of it in particular. Maybe you think Unity sucks. But it's open, and it's really not Canonical's fault if other distros don't want to consume it. Ditto Mir, Upstart, and pretty much any other project you personally don't like or want to use. Could canonical do a better job of actively pushing any of the above upstream? Possibly - but what's " | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | upstream" in this case? Debian? What if Debian, which has its own strong and very different goals, doesn't actually want it? Red hat, SUSE, et al aren't "upstream" of Canonical. | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Meanwhile Ubuntu arguably made more progress in getting Linux adopted on the desktop than the rest of the community combined, and it's made tremendous strides in cloud deployment as well. Canonical isn't even fucking profitable, largely because Shuttleworth hasn't made monetizing it a big priority. Meanwhile they guarantee LTS release for five years, release new LTS every two years accurate to the month, and even name the versions after the | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | year and month, making it incredibly easy to plan around upgrade cycles. If this is an evil empire, fucking sign me up for a stormtrooper outfit, because I'm on board. | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Red hat does a better job of getting the broader community involved in its projects. No matter what distro you use, you're a red hat user in a lot of ways. Especially KVM, holy shit. Now personally I'm really not a fan of red hat distributions. But holy shit am i ever a fan of red hat the organization. Red hat puts a lot more focus on direct monetization than canonical does, but they turn around and dump giant chunks of that money into | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | directly producing truly amazing core technologies that are fully GPL and push out to every distro in the world. Again, if this is evil, let me start practicing my maniacal cackling, because it's some"evil" I can really get behind. | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Your comment sums it up perfectly. Both Canonical and RH actively do something for F/OSS in their own way, yet are under constant suspicion and conspiracy theories for alledgedly wanting to dominate the Linux landscape for themselves. Because Canonical tends to diverge more in their approach and goals from the community at large, it is often the most targeted by the conspiracy theorists. | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Regardless of that, perhaps the vocal ones should instead pour their money and development effort doing something to bring their vision to reality, rather than spend time attacking with pitchforks the work of others. | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Meanwhile they guarantee LTS release for five years, release new LTS every two years accurate to the month, and even name the versions after the year and month, making it incredibly easy to plan around upgrade cycles. | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Not to mention infrastructure and development support for a variety of derivatives with different desktop environments! | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | "I can confirm that. I've written one article for opensource.com and it was very Ubuntu specific. The only reason I don't have more articles there is because I haven't written them, it's certainly not from a lack of them asking me for more." | Jun 19 18:53 |
| schestowitz | "techrights.org is the Boycott Novell guy btw, so take everything there with a grain of salt the size of Montana." | Jun 19 18:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:53 |
| schestowitz | You know, I think a lot of this is because Linux users love Linux, and, being people, have their own ways about how they think Linux should be. They want to see "their side" win, that's just human nature. Media guys always suffer attacks from any crowd that disagrees with them, its lame and stupid but its not tech specific. Certain subs dislike for Phoronix was complete bullshit though, but I think that ban was removed a while ago. But again, | Jun 19 18:53 |
| schestowitz | that's just people being the flawed creatures they are. | Jun 19 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Yes, RedHat and Canonical occasionally try to use their money to buy an advantage, sometimes it works a bit, sometimes not, rarely it works completely or dramatically. | Jun 19 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Canonical wasn't very clear, maybe deliberately or not with snaps on other distros, and it shouldn't have a hard coded server, but that can be fixed later and I doubt Canonical will fight that (snaps weren't even originally designed as cross-distro), not if they want snaps to win. If nothing else, Canonical has brought the problem of cross-distro packaging back into the mainstream so whatever standard ends up winning it will have been a good | Jun 19 18:53 |
| schestowitz | thing. | Jun 19 18:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:54 |
| schestowitz | "What an idiot. Phoronix is blogspam. What an "impartial" journalist who doesn't even bother to explain the merits of blacklisting Phoronix in the first place." | Jun 19 18:54 |
| schestowitz | "It isn't. I skim through its articles every morning/lunch break." | Jun 19 18:54 |
| schestowitz | "And what does that prove? You might like to read blogspam, for all I know." | Jun 19 18:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:54 |
| schestowitz | It proves that some people such as you consider it to be blogspam, and some people such as me consider it not to be so. | Jun 19 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Ideally Reddit should have a feature to allow a user indicate that all links from a given domain should be hidden from his/her feed. Similar to Facebook. | Jun 19 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Just because you and some others think it is blogspam doesn't give you the right to have it censored for an entire community. | Jun 19 18:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:54 |
| schestowitz | "Hey, I never called it blogspam." | Jun 19 18:54 |
| schestowitz | "Before opening the link I knew it had to be about Snap and Flatpak packages." | Jun 19 18:54 |
| schestowitz | "The issue here is Red Hat who has always acted like an immature big brother bully taking higher ground and always taking credits for their so called upstream contributions. Sadly its RH alone who has no made Linux into their domain and with their non accommodating attitude when Gnome 3 was launched to their steam rollering of Pulse and now System D, so if anyone dares to be different, make them look bad, smear them via your touts." | Jun 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | I know this is an Ubuntu sub, but you're terribly confused. | Jun 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat is the one who interacts with the community, while Canonical is the one trying to always push its own agenda. Canonical's Snap vs. Red Hat's Flatpak is a prime example. | Jun 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Not only is Flatpak a community effort in the sense that it is part of the Fredesktop project, but it also has dozens of non-Red Hat contributors. | Jun 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Compare that to Snap, whose only contributors are Canonical employees, who all have to sign an agreement that allows Canonical to do whatever it wants with their code, which is totally contrary to open source ideals. | Jun 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | The developers of Flatpak have been going to developer conferences, getting feedback on how to improve, and trying to get support organically. | Jun 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Meanwhile, Canonical developers sent as-yet unapproved patches to other distros to add support for Snap, and then somehow used those patches as proof that Snap was getting widespread support. | Jun 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Canonical even sent out a misleading press release saying that other distros were on board with Snap (when they weren't, at all), which the mainstream media all erroneously reported without even mentioning Flatpak or Appimage. | Jun 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Instead of fostering competition, Canonical tried to kill it; because if the media says Snap is the future, then developers will just assume that it is and go with it, instead of looking up Flatpak or Appimage. | Jun 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Snap also has security issues that Flatpak does not, although this can be worked out in time. | Jun 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | And look at Canonical's track record of launching half-baked new products and then letting them rot away. Do you really want to put something so important as this in the hands of a company like that? | Jun 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Canonical's Snap vs. Red Hat's Flatpak is a prime example. | Jun 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | It's not a "vs". Let's please stop thinking that in order for one to be successful the others must fail. | Jun 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | The subject of the post, and this entire thread, is Flatpak vs. Snap. | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | What you're doing is akin to standing between two soldiers who are firing at each other and saying "can't you two just get along?". | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Of course that would be great, but the bullets are already in the air. | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Canonical knew full well what it was doing when it sent out a misleading press release saying that all major distros supported Snap without s single mention of Flatpak or Appimage. | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | It already is a vs. situation. The fight is for a universal standard that would be a no-hassle for developers. That can't happen if there are two universal standards. There can only be one true winner, and both Canonical and Red Hat know it. | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | The developers of Flatpak have been going to developer conferences, getting feedback on how to improve, and trying to get support organically. | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Sorry but click/snap developers have been attending lots of conferences and talking about this technology for years. | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Compare that to Snap, whose only contributors are Canonical employees, who all have to sign an agreement that allows Canonical to do whatever it wants with their code, which is totally contrary to open source ideals. | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Sorry but CLAs are common in plenty of open source projects. Point take on there not being enough Canonical contributors to snapd, most of the community effort is currently being done on the snaps themselves, not the core. | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Canonical developers sent as-yet unapproved patches to other distros to add support for Snap | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Of course, the entire point is to submit the work to other distros, how else would you do it? Wish the functionality into place? People kept flaming snaps for being ubuntu-specific, so they were made distro agnostic so other people could enjoy them and now that's bad? | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Not only is Flatpak a community effort in the sense that it is part of the Fredesktop project, but it also has dozens of non-Red Hat contributors. | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Plenty of OSS projects aren't part of freedesktop.org. | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | And look at Canonical's track record of launching half-baked new products and then letting them rot away. Do you really want to put something so important as this in the hands of a company like that? | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Hah come on dude, you've ignored all the things that Canonical has done that have succeeded. | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | "Yes Canonical's half baked products are being used by likes of AT&T and Tianhae2 so yes they are all doomed and of course the cloud servers using Canonical half baked products as well. Snap is an alternative and a very good effort in right direction and so is Flatpak. Btw when Canonical suggested Unity, Red Hat refused and went on their own with Gnome 3. So the trend is, I am Red Hat the big brother and rest of Linux do what I say and | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | nothing else. If you dare to be an individual or different, you are punished." | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | "Gnome works on lots of distros while Unity does not. RedHat is the nice guy here, Canonical is the bully" | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | "Can you link me to merge proposals or patches that have been rejected by Canonical to get Unity to work on other distros? " | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | "Oh really? That's the ultimate conclusion then? What about GNOME "bullying" users to force to adapt to a touch-oriented UI and removal of useful features? Why did Cinnamon and MATE rise to popularity? Such nice guys because they have a vision and they impose it on everybody else. How dare anybody else disagree and actually not want GNOME working on their distro? ..." | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | There are a lot of users who get a free operating system who do not like the design decisions of open source projects. Open source is the ability to take code and change it to fit your needs. Open source has always been about giving developers the freedom and choice. | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat does not use the default gnome interface. Install Centos 7, Red Hat modified the Gnome interface to be more like Gnome 2. Gnome programers have a large influence in decided the future of Gnome. Red Hat hires programers who have a large influence on the code they use. | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Many of the design decision are based on how to maintain the code. Every feature requires maintenance, and gnome has always had a small team for the size of the project. So certain decisions have been made by the Gnome project to make the code more easily maintainable. The "bulling" is Gnome saying we cannot maintain every feature or design, so we will choose to maintain those features or designs that are important to the Gnome project. | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | This is not different to Unity ether. | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Gnome did what Gnome considered best. I happen to like it. They have limmited resources. Mate and Cinnamon are wesome but I don't use them. | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Does Unity have any forks that work on non-Ubuntu? | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | I am one of the happy Gnome users. | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | ' | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Gnome did what Gnome considered best. | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | And Ubuntu did what Ubuntu considered best and others happen to like it, like many happen to dislike it. So...? | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | The whole point is why does that make Canonical a bully and Red Hat a nice guy? | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Does Unity have any forks that work on non-Ubuntu? | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't have any forks because: | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | It's itself a GNOME 3 fork. So if there were people like the Mint Cinnamon guys interested in doing their own thing, then it makes sense to fork from the original GNOME rather than from the fork of it? | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | It's another touch oriented DE that many didn't care about. If they wanted one, there was GNOME already. | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Yes Gnome works and breaks and they change without any consideration. So if you are on Arch or Gentoo, good luck. | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Also isn't Linux about choice, no one is stopping from working on Canonical projects just like Red Hat. I feel with Red Hat anyone who tries to be different or break away from their version of norm, its smear campaign, its FUD and then we have folks like this one who tells never ever use unsafe unpatched Ubuntu for server use or other, use tried tested Arch and other distros. Funny I don't ever see this kind of vitriolic from SUSE against | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Canonical and they too have a big stake in the Linux market. Take a look at this https://tim.siosm.fr/blog/2014/04/25/why-not-ubuntu-14.04-lts/ | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:57 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-tim.siosm.fr | Ubuntu 14.04 LTS: Why you should not use it, at all - Siosm's blog | Jun 19 18:57 | |
| schestowitz | Also isn't Linux about choice, | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | A common misconception. It's about developer freedom. | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | "Yes to all pf the above. Most RedHat projects worck cross distro while most of Canonical do not: Mir, Unity, Ubuntu One, Snap (works on other distros but with Canonical's proprietary server). Upstart worked even on RedHat but Systemd was better." | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Snap (works on other distros but with Canonical's proprietary server). | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | That's how it works now and probably how it will work on Ubuntu and derivatives in the future, but doesn't mean it will always work that way in other distributions. Not to mention it's already perfectly possible to install Snaps from wherever you want. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Mir | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Please tell me which other Linux distribution is targeting a convergence model, where the same OS runs on a variety of screen sizes and mobile devices, and actually partnering with OEMs to make it a reality? That's right, none. Which is why Ubuntu decided it would fit their objectives better to do their own thing, because their calendar and their goals were not aligned with the goals of the greater community regarding the development of | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Wayland. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Unity | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Canonical tried to collaborate in the early stages of GNOME 3 development and they refused any outside contributions. So it was either accept the Red Hat imposition (just like PulseAudio and SystemD) or try and do something else that fits their particular goals. It was hardly a Canonical exclusive: after GNOME 3 was introduced, we saw the appearance of Unity, Cinnamon, MATE, Budgie, Pantheon. So Canonical wasn't the only one thinking GNOME 3 | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | would not be what their users wanted and fork it to do their own thing, but GNOME devs sure assumed everybody wanted it the way they envisioned. The ironic about it is that, back in 2011, there were talks about the GNOME OS for tablets to justify the shift to the touch UI paradigm. Meanwhile, as of today, there are phones and touch ARM convertibles running Ubuntu Unity, and GNOME is still stuck imposing a touch oriented UI on traditional | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | desktops and laptops. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Upstart | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Yes SystemD was better, and apparently Canonical also agreed it was. So, there goes the anti-Canonical NIH argument... | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu One | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Again, which distro is chasing convergence between devices? Which distro then needs a built-in cloud syncing feature by default? If others shared the same goals, perhaps they could've got interested in Ubuntu One, but nobody really was, not even Ubuntu users, so it got axed. Hard to see how is that not wanting to support other distros when there was no interest from them at all. And taking into account the negativity regarding Unity until the | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | recent past (heavy, slow, unstable, etc), I'd say no one else cares about Unity either. So that should be a non-issue but apparently it's Canonical's fault that other distros think Unity sucks. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Please tell me which other Linux distribution is targeting a convergence model, where the same OS runs on a variety of screen sizes and mobile devices? | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | SailfishOS. It uses Wayland, btw. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | after GNOME 3 was introduced, we saw the appearance of Unity, Cinnamon, MATE, Budgie, Pantheon. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Strangely enough all but Unity found Gnome technologies to be so good, they decided to build on top of them. Budgie and Pantheon aren't even forks of Gnome like Cinnamon and Mate are. Budgie and Pantheon deeply integrate Gnome and merely expose another GUI. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Yes SystemD was better, and apparently Canonical also agreed it was. So, there goes the anti-Canonical NIH argument... | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Funny, they only came to that realization after their attempts to buy Debian votes failed and Debian decided to migrate to systemd anyway. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | SailfishOS. It uses Wayland, btw. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | I don't think Sailfish OS makes any attempt to become a desktop environment when connected to a larger screen. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Strangely enough all but Unity found Gnome technologies to be so good, they decided to build on top of them. Budgie and Pantheon aren't even forks of Gnome like Cinnamon and Mate are. Budgie and Pantheon deeply integrate Gnome and merely expose another GUI. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | So did Unity up through version 7. It's only with Unity 8 that we're making any significant break from GNOME (and even then it's not a full break, we it still uses many GNOME technologies) | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Funny, they only came to that realization after their attempts to buy Debian votes failed and Debian decided to migrate to systemd anyway. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | There was never any attempt to buy votes in Debian. Now you're just making up accusations. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | I don't think Sailfish OS makes any attempt to become a desktop environment when connected to a larger screen. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | The claim was that only Ubuntu runs "the same OS runs on a variety of screen sizes" and SailfishOS runs on smartphones and tablets – i.e. a variety of screen sizes. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | But hey, throw Tizen into the bag as well. It runs on almost anything from TVs to smart watches. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | So did Unity up through version 7. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | That's BS and you know it. Unity 7 uses the Nux toolkit and Compiz as window manager. Both totally unrelated to anything Gnome. Ubuntu ships a few Gnome tools but that's it. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Budgie and Pantheon OTOH are written in Gnome's Clutter toolkit usung Gnome's own programming language Vala and window management is done via Gnome's Mutter. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | The claim was that only Ubuntu runs "the same OS runs on a variety of screen sizes" and SailfishOS runs on smartphones and tablets – i.e. a variety of screen sizes. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Ok, technically correct, but I don't think that's what most people mean when they use that phrase. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | But hey, throw Tizen into the bag as well. It runs on almost anything from TVs to smart watches. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | The OS layer does, yes, but is it the same GUI across all of those? I don't think it is. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | That's BS and you know it. Unity 7 uses the Nux toolkit and Compiz as window manager. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | There's far more to GNOME that Gtk and Mutter. But even still, Compiz was quite often used with GNOME 2 and Nux was only used for part of Unity 7, the rest being Gtk. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | I don't think that's what most people mean | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, right… | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Compiz was quite often used with GNOME 2 | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | And that makes it "deeply integrated Gnome technology"… riiiiight… | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Ok, technically correct, but I don't think that's what most people mean when they use that phrase. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Exactly. Thank you. Not only is not what I meant, it was used in conjunction with the reference to the convergence model (i.e. become a desktop environment when connected to a larger screen.) | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Please tell me which other Linux distribution is targeting a convergence model, where the same OS runs on a variety of screen sizes and mobile devices, and actually partnering with OEMs to make it a reality? That's right, none. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | I believe taking the whole phrase into account instead of just the middle snippet makes it abundantly clear that only Ubuntu applies. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | SailfishOS. It uses Wayland, btw. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Fair enough. I'm not going to further advance this point as I don't have any privileged information regarding the validity of technical reasons that drove Canonical to go with Mir if Wayland is theoretically suitable for the task, although the "greater community" seems to have agreed on the consensus that it's because Canonical is evil, is forcing cross-distro incompatibility and wants to lockdown GPU driver support. I just see it as | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | misaligned goals and calendars between Canonical and upstream Wayland development given the very specific convergence agenda that is not commonly shared by the community at large but maybe I'm just being naive. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Strangely enough all but Unity found Gnome technologies to be so good, they decided to build on top of them. Budgie and Pantheon aren't even forks of Gnome like Cinnamon and Mate are. Budgie and Pantheon deeply integrate Gnome and merely expose another GUI. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Oh c'mon, let's be honest, regardless of the quality of GNOME underlying technology, what other choice was there instead of following along what would sprout from GNOME development? Switching from GTK2 to Qt? Starting their own toolkit from scratch? And I really really do not think they find GNOME technologies to be that good as you make it seem, specially when a new version comes out and breaks everything. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Funny, they only came to that realization after their attempts to buy Debian votes failed and Debian decided to migrate to systemd anyway. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | So, if Canonical makes their own thing not caring what others upstream decide, they're evil and want to pursue incompatibility and exclusivity, if they follow along Debian's decision they're evil anyway. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | the "greater community" seems to have agreed on the consensus that it's because Canonical is evil | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Declaring regular business tactics good or evil is stupid, IMO. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | is forcing cross-distro incompatibility and wants to lockdown GPU driver support. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Canonical uses a number of methods, most notably a licensing model (GPL+proprietary through their CLA), that gives them a competitive advantage. Many companies do that. That's not evil, I simply do not support that (but I don't support many non-evil things like pineapple on pizza). | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | "So long as the linux distros fight against each other, so long will they be a little os, a silly os - greedy, barbarous, and cruel, as the community is." | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | So Redhat is Trump .. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Canonical is Boris Johnson ... | Jun 19 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Who's Hilary ? | Jun 19 19:00 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 19:00 |
| schestowitz | "GNU/Hurd, at the very least or something even more copyleft that I'm not aware of, because the strange starting point of comparison you are making demands it." | Jun 19 19:00 |
| schestowitz | "Arch." | Jun 19 19:00 |
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| schestowitz | EPO: "We previously referred to CA/21/15 for information about the functioning, or rather dys-functioning, of the EPO internal justice system." | Jun 19 20:29 |
| schestowitz | "" | Jun 19 20:54 |
| schestowitz | "There are more data to be mined from CA/F 6/16." | Jun 19 20:54 |
| schestowitz | >> Oddly enough I never heard of it. Maybe a rename or expansion of something | Jun 19 21:40 |
| schestowitz | > existing? Shells are a dime a dozen as they don't need brand recognition -- | Jun 19 21:40 |
| schestowitz | > nothing to sell :-) < | Jun 19 21:40 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 19 21:40 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.iptalks.eu/ | Jun 19 21:40 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 19 21:40 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.iptalks.eu | IP Europe Alliance | Jun 19 21:40 | |
| schestowitz | > Leadership: http://www.iptalks.eu/about-us (probably some names you know) | Jun 19 21:40 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.iptalks.eu | About Us - IP Europe | Jun 19 21:40 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 19 21:40 |
| schestowitz | >> > Mentioned in | Jun 19 21:40 |
| schestowitz | > http://techrights.org/2016/06/19/post-alice-wonderland/ < | Jun 19 21:40 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 19 21:40 |
| schestowitz | > Thanks, now I've seen it. | Jun 19 21:40 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 19 21:40 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Patent Lawyers’ Fantasy Land Where Software Patents Are Suddenly Resurrected Even When They’re Not | Techrights | Jun 19 21:40 | |
| schestowitz | >> > He told me he works with Ingve Stjerna. < | Jun 19 21:40 |
| schestowitz | > The #1 anti-UPC patent litigator :-) | Jun 19 21:40 |
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| schestowitz | > Roy, | Jun 20 07:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 20 07:52 |
| schestowitz | > please see here: http://www.stjerna.de/expert-teams/?lang=en | Jun 20 07:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 20 07:52 |
| schestowitz | > As far as I understand, there's quite a lot more to come on this topic. | Jun 20 07:52 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 20 07:52 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.stjerna.de | Dr. Ingve Björn Stjerna, LL.M. | The “expert teams” of the Preparatory Committee, Article on the composition of the “expert teams” of the Preparatory Committee for the Unified Patent Court and on the participation of members from the legal profession “in their personal capacity” (16/06/2016) | Jun 20 07:52 | |
| schestowitz | > You may also have seen this remarkable piece: | Jun 20 07:52 |
| schestowitz | > http://kluwerpatentblog.com/2016/06/17/brexit-a-personal-view-from-a-uk-patent-litigator/ | Jun 20 07:52 |
| schestowitz | I am glad to see that not only me and few others are pointing this out. I heard that Benjamin started working for you... | Jun 20 07:52 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-kluwerpatentblog.com | Brexit - A Personal View from a UK Patent Litigator - Kluwer Patent Blog | Jun 20 07:52 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/haniefhaider/status/744782819184914433 | Jun 20 07:53 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@haniefhaider: Sometimes we get distracted by these arguments.He is White.Why is he not a terrorist?He is Muslim.Why a terrorist? https://t.co/MBx6jsIaXU | Jun 20 07:53 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Only Muslims Are Terrorists. It Is Now Official https://t.co/kagqc9nYfh see how media treated #orlando massacre | Jun 20 07:53 | |
| schestowitz | > http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/security/73407-gotomypc-password-hack-%E2%80%93-urgent-change-passwords-now.html | Jun 20 08:12 |
| schestowitz | > apparently this suggests that Citrix is still around | Jun 20 08:12 |
| schestowitz | My cousin in Florida just got hired by them. She's a recent CS graduate. | Jun 20 08:12 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.itwire.com | iTWire - GoToMyPC password hack – urgent, change passwords NOW | Jun 20 08:12 | |
| schestowitz | >>> http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/security/73407-gotomypc-password-hack-%E2%80%93-urgent-change-passwords-now.html | Jun 20 08:39 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> apparently this suggests that Citrix is still around | Jun 20 08:39 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Jun 20 08:39 |
| schestowitz | >> > My cousin in Florida just got hired by them. She's a recent CS graduate. | Jun 20 08:39 |
| schestowitz | > I hope she is able to move on to something better soon without much | Jun 20 08:39 |
| schestowitz | > damage to either career or karma. I had a negative opinion of the | Jun 20 08:39 |
| schestowitz | > quality of their products and dislike that it is used to promote M$ in | Jun 20 08:39 |
| schestowitz | > the workplace. However, that said, I have not even thought about them | Jun 20 08:39 |
| schestowitz | > for some years. Maybe they've moved on with their business model. | Jun 20 08:39 |
| schestowitz | Some of our clients use Citrix products for remove access. | Jun 20 08:39 |
| schestowitz | >>>>> >>>> "are resolved as fairly and as expeditiously as possible." | Jun 20 08:46 |
| schestowitz | >>>>>>> >>>>>> | Jun 20 08:46 |
| schestowitz | >>>>>>> >>>>>> One of the outcomes, if he did it, could be that he is expelled back to | Jun 20 08:46 |
| schestowitz | >>>>>>> >>>>>> the US. Unfortunately the Tor project itself is also one of the | Jun 20 08:46 |
| schestowitz | >>>>>>> >>>>>> targets, I think. | Jun 20 08:46 |
| schestowitz | >>>>> >>>> | Jun 20 08:46 |
| schestowitz | >>>>> >>>> I didn't think about this angle. | Jun 20 08:46 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> This woman brings up the problem of expulsion | Jun 20 08:46 |
| schestowitz | >>> >> https://blog.patternsinthevoid.net/the-forest-for-the-trees.html | Jun 20 08:46 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://blog.patternsinthevoid.net/the-forest-for-the-trees.html ) | Jun 20 08:46 | |
| schestowitz | >> > | Jun 20 08:46 |
| schestowitz | >> > I'll keep an eye on this... | Jun 20 08:46 |
| schestowitz | >> > | Jun 20 08:46 |
| schestowitz | > http://theindicter.com/the-weaponising-of-social-part-2-stomping-on-ioerrors-grave/ | Jun 20 08:46 |
| schestowitz | I still remember how ‘head’ of anonymous uk was accused of rape. Media rejoiced, reported. When cleared of all the charges media vanished. | Jun 20 08:46 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-theindicter.com | The Weaponising Of Social Part 2: Stomping On IOError’s Grave – THE INDICTER | Jun 20 08:46 | |
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| schestowitz | <font size="4"><em>"When asked by Ars, the EPO's spokesperson mentioned the imminent arrival of the unitary patent system as an important reason for revising the EPO's internal rules..."</em></font> | Jun 20 09:41 |
| schestowitz | <p align="right"> | Jun 20 09:41 |
| schestowitz | --<font size="3"><a href="http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2016/02/welcome-to-eponia-the-strange-land-of-european-patents-that-is-outside-the-law/6/#h1" title="Welcome to EPOnia, the strange land of European patents that is outside the law">Dr. Glyn Moody </a></font> | Jun 20 09:41 |
| schestowitz | </p> | Jun 20 09:41 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/bensab3/status/744809237964984320 | Jun 20 09:41 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-arstechnica.co.uk | February | 2016 | Ars Technica UK | Jun 20 09:41 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@bensab3: I can see this happening Worldwide with the FTAs and the TPP being signed.... https://t.co/3vF9yNyXH6 | Jun 20 09:41 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Exxon Sues Second Attorney General In Response To #Fraud Investigation https://t.co/Djxe1mce7y the arrogance of #exxon | Jun 20 09:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/744811259678199808 | Jun 20 09:41 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Messgorough: @schestowitz This whole campaign has been without facts, saw the #leave TV spot last night. Never seen such blatant lying since #Iraq | Jun 20 09:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/744813154182455296 | Jun 20 09:50 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Metztli_IT: cc: @schestowitz https://t.co/YJZ5LJ6Y4X | Jun 20 09:50 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@chasestrangio: The Christian Right has introduced 200 anti-LGBT bills in the last six months and people blaming Islam for this. No. #PulseNightclub | Jun 20 09:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/744816018585903104 | Jun 20 10:17 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@KrapulaPhD: @reportrai3 Tanta ingiustizia della quale il pubblico sa pochissimo... https://t.co/Y9zD2qSTUt | Jun 20 10:17 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Quite a few #epo articles to be published later this morning. There's so much injustice and so little is publicly known about it (gags). | Jun 20 10:17 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/744820868388290560 | Jun 20 10:17 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@KrapulaPhD: @reportrai3 #laguerradeibrevetti @ipwatch @WorldIPReview https://t.co/JoRsUpEdaJ | Jun 20 10:18 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: @FOSSpatents Paper Demonstrates UPC is Little More Than a Conspiracy of Patent ‘Professionals’, Self Interest https://t.co/Nk7g4GJUsX | Jun 20 10:18 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gideoncvnt/status/744833840682835968 | Jun 20 11:12 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@gideoncvnt: @schestowitz Rude people?? Warsi is nothing more than a thief. | Jun 20 11:12 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/744834413230440448 | Jun 20 11:13 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz And protection from Murdoch…. | Jun 20 11:13 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/T_Miller_Harper/status/744835400749948928 | Jun 20 11:14 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@T_Miller_Harper: @schestowitz I began watching the minute she began insulting the people who put her in office. #RacismBad #BigotryGood #AnimalFarm | Jun 20 11:14 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/T_Miller_Harper/status/744841713089388544 | Jun 20 11:43 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@T_Miller_Harper: @schestowitz To the surprise of many, in an opinion issued in 12/2014 by the ECJ it rejected the accession to the ECHR in Opinion 2/13. | Jun 20 11:43 | |
| schestowitz | What was this opinion about? | Jun 20 11:43 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/T_Miller_Harper/status/744844236542087168 | Jun 20 11:48 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@T_Miller_Harper: @schestowitz In short: The EU really doesn't recognise human rights...not yet anyway. | Jun 20 11:48 | |
| schestowitz | unlike the UK :-) | Jun 20 11:48 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/T_Miller_Harper/status/744845193761951744 | Jun 20 11:54 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@T_Miller_Harper: @schestowitz We follow the EU menu of delights. Look how migrants are treated when they accept an open offer. Not to mention citizens. | Jun 20 11:54 | |
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| schestowitz | Re: A request about your posts referencing me | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > Dear Dr. Schestowitz, | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > I read your recent post on the “Circus of Patent Reporting” | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > (http://techrights.org/2016/05/22/creating-swoats-wars/). You mentioned | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > my wife; in context, I’m not sure if that’s to indicate bias on my part | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > or something else. | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 20 22:32 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | The Circus of Patent ‘Reporting’ (by Omission) on the Subject of Software Patents in the US and USPTO Bias | Techrights | Jun 20 22:32 | |
| schestowitz | > Still, I would be grateful if you would try to leave her out of it. She | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > has nothing to do with what I write. | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > If you want to accuse me of bias or attack my opinions, I’m certainly | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > fair game. You’re passionate about patents and I respect that. Plus, you | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > link back to my site, which I do appreciate. I’m just asking that you | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > please avoid mentioning my wife whenever possible. | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > Thanks for your consideration. If you ever want to ask me directly what | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > I meant or why I’ve written something, please feel free to reach out. | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > With best regards, | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Hi, | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Thanks for letting me know. I won't mention the wife. | Jun 20 22:33 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/745010582009544704 | Jun 20 22:50 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: @schestowitz yeah he told me. | Jun 20 22:50 | |
| schestowitz | I thought someone who contacted me (no name) was him | Jun 20 22:50 |
| schestowitz | and it seems like they quite likely know each other, one is anonymous | Jun 20 22:51 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Mysmartprivacy/status/745015434710126592 | Jun 20 23:10 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Mysmartprivacy: @schestowitz FCC Case/Major Carrier Admits Apps Access Personal Info/Smartphones https://t.co/LZ3SDldDm2 https://t.co/F8P8oHBx1o | Jun 20 23:11 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.termsmayapply.com | Open Letter Wireless | Jun 20 23:11 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Mysmartprivacy: @schestowitz FCC Case/Major Carrier Admits Apps Access Personal Info/Smartphones https://t.co/LZ3SDldDm2 https://t.co/F8P8oHBx1o | Jun 20 23:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/745016530270830592 | Jun 20 23:14 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@AJimenez1988: Try to get someone in space without Russian ships. Just try. https://t.co/AUz9gKpjjF | Jun 20 23:14 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Biggest computer is from #china and biggest airplane from #russia but we're not supposed to know all that. Cold War mentality prevails. | Jun 20 23:14 | |
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| schestowitz | " | Jun 21 06:19 |
| schestowitz | Hi, | Jun 21 06:19 |
| schestowitz | feel free to make use of the cartoons if they fit in somewhere. | Jun 21 06:19 |
| schestowitz | Off-record: | Jun 21 06:19 |
| schestowitz | there is more to come this week. | Jun 21 06:19 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 21 06:19 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Ray_Aldred/status/745131201791332353 https://twitter.com/Ray_Aldred/status/745131283714498560 | Jun 21 06:57 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Ray_Aldred: @schestowitz Interesting. Some of the videos, however, don't seem to endorse censorship. Why are they all lumped together? | Jun 21 06:57 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Ray_Aldred: @schestowitz Ah, fox news...I know now. | Jun 21 06:57 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, I was very reluctant to link to that | Jun 21 06:57 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Ray_Aldred/status/745137970542350337 | Jun 21 07:17 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Ray_Aldred: @schestowitz Ah well, at least it links to something on corporate restrictions on content. That's kind of censorship... | Jun 21 07:17 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/T_Miller_Harper/status/745147810027167744 | Jun 21 07:57 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@T_Miller_Harper: @schestowitz Whatever it was, it was sloppy. The bomber went from A - B stapped up with explosives putting lives at risk. | Jun 21 07:57 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/745149799553368064 | Jun 21 08:12 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz And if he'd managed it, what would the NRA have said? 😁 | Jun 21 08:12 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/745150943872770048 | Jun 21 08:12 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@AJimenez1988: You are an eejit. https://t.co/kmDvcC1UeR | Jun 21 08:12 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: US election: Arrested Briton 'wanted to shoot Donald Trump' https://t.co/ElMq4exhWs reminds me of https://t.co/PlDYOTWxUH | Jun 21 08:12 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/745158676839694337 | Jun 21 08:43 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Wikinaut: @schestowitz send ur stuff 2 SüddeutscheZeitung (Hans Leyendecker),NDR/WDR(Georg Mascolo),DieZeit,HEISE Verlag(c't) https://t.co/xn4WzdJttZ | Jun 21 08:43 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: When I publish the comment that #ipkat censored people will see just how innocent a comment they deem unpublishable https://t.co/vFckI4MBKF | Jun 21 08:43 | |
| schestowitz | I never found out what exactly was going on with Katja | Jun 21 08:43 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/745164976684302336 | Jun 21 09:15 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: @bastianbest If the UK accept the supremacy of the ECJ in patent cases :-) | Jun 21 09:15 | |
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| schestowitz | > I just posted about IP Europe. Benjamin Henrion retweeted. He can probably tell you about that organization's pro-UPC lobbying and certainly about Francisco Mingorance, the author of the EU Commission's proposed software patent directive. He may also know Claudia Tapia, previously at BlackBerry. Claudia's colleague of then, Michael Fröhlich, has a job at the EPO now. Lobbying-oriented as far as I can see. | Jun 21 13:32 |
| schestowitz | I have an article about this later. Will link to yours. | Jun 21 13:32 |
| schestowitz | I mentioned Michael Fröhlich earlier this month in relation to UPC promotion he had done in Scandinavia. | Jun 21 13:32 |
| schestowitz | The UPC is stoppable, the 'UPC gang' wants us to believe otherwise though. | Jun 21 13:32 |
| schestowitz | I have just restarted the varnish service (not server) to resolve an issue. I got an alert about one of my sites being down (tuxmachines), whereupon I saw that others too were affected, indicating varnish was likely the issue. The Varnish server was accessible but varnishstat showed no activity. I restarted the service and... success. Just letting you know in case this happens again in the future. | Jun 21 13:40 |
| schestowitz | [sudo] password for varnish: | Jun 21 13:40 |
| schestowitz | Stopping Varnish Cache: [ OK ] | Jun 21 13:40 |
| schestowitz | Starting Varnish Cache: [ OK ] | Jun 21 13:40 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/parnell_carole/status/745245713110536192 | Jun 21 14:32 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@parnell_carole: I'm coming to the view that however #England's campaign turns out #Roy has to go. He's fast losing the plot ! https://t.co/TPQAUdAtdQ | Jun 21 14:32 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@HLTCO: Hodgson: "The criticism over the six changes amuses me." I'm glad you're having a good chuckle Roy, you carry on. https://t.co/z5AalwJ3f0 | Jun 21 14:32 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/741903107697807361 | Jun 21 15:06 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Attack dogs of Rupert Murdoch now use sensationalism Turks to push for #brexit because, in his own words, he better controls Downing Street | Jun 21 15:06 | |
| schestowitz | http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/this-terrifying-rupert-murdoch-quote-is-possibly-the-best-reason-to-stay-in-the-eu-yet--WyMaFTE890x | Jun 21 15:06 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-indy100.independent.co.uk | NO TITLE | Jun 21 15:06 | |
| schestowitz | his papers support brexit, as does he.... | Jun 21 15:07 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/DHewson/status/745256335739097088 | Jun 21 15:07 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@DHewson: @schestowitz this would be the Murdoch whose Times newspaper supports remain & who supported Europhile Blair? | Jun 21 15:07 | |
| schestowitz | >> I have an article about this later. Will link to yours. < | Jun 21 15:23 |
| schestowitz | > Thanks. | Jun 21 15:23 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 21 15:23 |
| schestowitz | >> > I mentioned Michael Fröhlich earlier this month in relation to UPC promotion he had done in Scandinavia. < | Jun 21 15:23 |
| schestowitz | > Great, you're really aware of almost everything politics-related going on at the EPO :-) I saw him at some of the German smartphone patent trials. He was watching them on RIM/BlackBerry's behalf. He lived in Munich even while working at RIM, so he didn't even have to relocate for becoming another Battistelli minion. | Jun 21 15:23 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 21 15:23 |
| schestowitz | >> > The UPC is stoppable, the 'UPC gang' wants us to believe otherwise though. < | Jun 21 15:23 |
| schestowitz | > I already fought against this thing, called EPLA at the time, 10 years ago and I hope it can be stopped. | Jun 21 15:23 |
| schestowitz | It seems like EPLAW is not one of the big engines behind it. They're becoming rather worried about Battistelli as a flag bearer. | Jun 21 15:23 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/DHewson/status/745258599782486016 | Jun 21 15:28 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@DHewson: @schestowitz yeah he also supported us not joining the Euro, unlike the FT, Mandelson, Blair, Heseltine, Clegg, Clarke etc. | Jun 21 15:28 | |
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| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/06/procedure-to-remove-board-of-appeal.html?showComment=1466513727956#c7231088898975463857 | Jun 21 15:34 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: Procedure to remove Board of Appeal member from office ends - after reports of attempts to nobble the Enlarged Board | Jun 21 15:34 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 21 15:34 |
| schestowitz | When I wrote "We don't really care about what happened to Mrs Hardon here", I meant: "What happened to Mrs Hardon is not really relevant to the present discussion about threatening the boards". I also find that what happened to her and to the other dismissed people is scandalous. | Jun 21 15:34 |
| schestowitz | But what we have here is that the President is threatening the enlarged board of appeal. In the Patent Office, a judicial body. For the jurist in me, this is unthinkable. | Jun 21 15:34 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 21 15:34 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/06/never-too-late-if-you-missed-ipkat-last_21.html | Jun 21 15:58 |
| schestowitz | "Merpel brings you the news that the Administrative Council of the European Patent Office has, for the third time, sought to remove one of the members of the enlarged Board of Appeal. Merpel sees this is an outrageous attempt to 'nobble' people acting in a judicial capacity (and judging by the comments section most of you agree)." | Jun 21 15:58 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: Never Too Late: if you missed the IPKat last week | Jun 21 15:58 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrankViewZ/status/745283106895200256 | Jun 21 16:57 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@FrankViewZ: @realDonaldTrump @catoletters @schestowitz @EtonOldBoys Guess who just tried to kill TRUMP: A white Brit https://t.co/Y4Q4oYsb5P | Jun 21 16:57 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> m.truthdig.com | Juan Cole: Donald Trump Bashes Brown Immigrants, Yet It’s a British White Guy Who Tries to Kill Him - Juan Cole - Truthdig | Jun 21 16:57 | |
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| schestowitz | > x http://www.zdnet.com/article/being-open-source-is-killing-android/ | Jun 21 17:14 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.zdnet.com | Being open source is killing Android | ZDNet | Jun 21 17:14 | |
| schestowitz | > I didn't even click on that link, just copied it from the troll title. | Jun 21 17:14 |
| schestowitz | > I think my last visit to ZDNet can be measured in months now. M$ has | Jun 21 17:14 |
| schestowitz | > killed ZDNet. I even see SJVN writing elsewhere, he's mostly ok but not | Jun 21 17:14 |
| schestowitz | > his old self since m$ broke his balls. | Jun 21 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I saw this. Don't feed them unless it's decent (which happens sometimes). | Jun 21 17:14 |
| schestowitz | > Dear Roy | Jun 21 18:08 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 21 18:08 |
| schestowitz | > Thank you for your email. | Jun 21 18:08 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 21 18:08 |
| schestowitz | > We have indeed discussed our comment moderation policy before, and it is | Jun 21 18:08 |
| schestowitz | > clear that you disagree with it. You are free to write whatever you wish | Jun 21 18:08 |
| schestowitz | > on your own blog, and to allow comments without moderation, but the | Jun 21 18:08 |
| schestowitz | > IPKat will continue to moderate comments on our blog in accordance with | Jun 21 18:08 |
| schestowitz | > our established criteria and using our best judgment. | Jun 21 18:08 |
| schestowitz | > EPLA != EPLAW | Jun 21 18:09 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 21 18:09 |
| schestowitz | > EPLA = European Patent Litigation Agreement | Jun 21 18:09 |
| schestowitz | > EPLAW = patent lawyers' body | Jun 21 18:09 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I was not suggesting they're the same. | Jun 21 18:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/IrateBrit/status/745312549365747712 | Jun 21 18:49 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@IrateBrit: @schestowitz Vote @remain really are scraping the barrel with these has been footballers. Gosh! #voteleave | Jun 21 18:49 | |
| MinceR | what has the EU got to do with their soccer players? | Jun 21 19:29 |
| schestowitz | exactly | Jun 21 20:21 |
| schestowitz | but many people here care about football | Jun 21 20:21 |
| schestowitz | many are stupid enough to listen to UKIP | Jun 21 20:21 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/745313373202440192 | Jun 21 20:38 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: I wonder if UserModeLinux (UML) would run under M$ Win10 with their Ubuntu Linux systemcalls emulation. | Jun 21 20:38 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/alanbell_libsol/status/745340073227526144 | Jun 21 20:39 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@alanbell_libsol: yup, it is a horrific mess, a blended democracy/theocracy with a neutered monarchy https://t.co/lUeurhlDfX | Jun 21 20:39 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: My experience of the UK is, not a democratic place "at all". Monarchy, House of Lords is undemocratic institution. https://t.co/qgTdfvmZA7 | Jun 21 20:39 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TrueBlueLine/status/745366898037006337 | Jun 21 22:28 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@TrueBlueLine: @schestowitz what do you mean? anyone would have been held back by fear in that situation but the article mentioned comms to hold for SWAT | Jun 21 22:28 | |
| schestowitz | SWAT took a long time to arrive, people were dying | Jun 21 22:28 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TrueBlueLine/status/745368952780402689 | Jun 21 22:34 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@TrueBlueLine: @schestowitz most police are not trained for this, they could've mis-identified the shooter or killed people with stray bullets | Jun 21 22:34 | |
| schestowitz | unlike SWAT? | Jun 21 22:35 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TrueBlueLine/status/745370013285003264 https://twitter.com/TrueBlueLine/status/745370248589651975 | Jun 21 22:41 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@TrueBlueLine: @schestowitz swat has some advantages like night vision, Kevlar vests, etc. | Jun 21 22:41 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@TrueBlueLine: @schestowitz if an officer went in against orders and ended up killing people, his or her life would be over | Jun 21 22:41 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/smokingwheels/status/745399963295703042 | Jun 22 01:02 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@smokingwheels: Ubuntu Phone hinted at https://t.co/ZArCf4d1kx https://t.co/tCYFQ8K5PI | Jun 22 01:02 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.techrepublic.com | Canonical changes the game by announcing universal snap packages - TechRepublic | Jun 22 01:02 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: New distro wars: not just "RPM/deb split" but also #systemd (which #flatpak requires) https://t.co/vRHavM2xGZ https://t.co/qSZBuigCEw | Jun 22 01:02 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7515432 | Jun 22 01:38 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@wurstaufbrot@pod.geraspora.de reshared: Intel x86s hide another CPU that can take over your machine (you can't audit it) http://boingboing.net/2016/06/15/intel-x86-processors-ship-with.html can boycott #intel though | Jun 22 01:38 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> boingboing.net | Intel x86s hide another CPU that can take over your machine (you can't audit it) / Boing Boing | Jun 22 01:38 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 22 01:38 |
| schestowitz | “Intel” owners are the “god” guys. The already exploited “brains”. | Jun 22 01:38 |
| schestowitz | This chip is just a metaphore of their “beliefs” on deception and self deception | Jun 22 01:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 22 01:38 |
| schestowitz | "And I thought they made computing affordable and fun. Just goes to show…" | Jun 22 01:38 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7519908 | Jun 22 01:40 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@lxoliva@pod.libreplanetbr.org reshared: The Weaponising Of Social Part 2: Stomping On @IOError ’s Grave http://theindicter.com/the-weaponising-of-social-part-2-stomping-on-ioerrors-grave/ #tor | Jun 22 01:40 | |
| schestowitz | "“The lack of victim impact in the statements is massively disturbing. It is as if the statements were written and/or edited by women who are not victims at all.” written by an actual gang rape victim" | Jun 22 01:40 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> theindicter.com | The Weaponising Of Social Part 2: Stomping On IOError’s Grave – THE INDICTER [ http://ur1.ca/pc4fi ] | Jun 22 01:40 | |
| schestowitz | "There is constant complaint of power imbalance and fear of reprisal but no tangible complaint of ongoing personal emotional ramifications from these alleged experiences, other than embarrassment. No claim or description of lasting harm. This contradicts everything I have seen, witnessed and personally experienced over the years, and I find it impossible to ignore." | Jun 22 01:41 |
| schestowitz | "The above tweet using the Appelbaum allegations to disparage WikiLeaks is authored by the FBI snitch Adrian Lamo. Lamo is responsible for social engineering the heroic whistleblower Chelsea Manning, who as a direct result of Lamo’s manipulations, was arrested and sentenced to decades in jail." | Jun 22 01:43 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7524182 | Jun 22 01:55 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NSATunnel: yet another bug door in #microsoft #windows and the age: 21 years http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/badtunnel-critical-vulnerability-affects-every-version-microsofts-os-since-windows-95-1566458 recall http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA | Jun 22 01:55 | |
| schestowitz | "I think this bug needs its own marketing team, with a trademarked logo and website." | Jun 22 01:55 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.ibtimes.co.uk | BadTunnel: Critical vulnerability affects every version of Microsoft's OS since Windows 95 [ http://ur1.ca/pc4j5 ] | Jun 22 01:55 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g1zod ] | Jun 22 01:55 | |
| schestowitz | No, can't. It's not FOSS. ;-) | Jun 22 01:56 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7519587 | Jun 22 01:56 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #NetOS 8.0.2 Arrives with Improved Support for #Chromebook Pixel and Surface Pro http://news.softpedia.com/news/netos-8-0-2-arrives-with-improved-support-for-chromebook-pixel-and-surface-pro-505421.shtml #gnu #linux | Jun 22 01:56 | |
| schestowitz | "On which distro is based on this one ?" | Jun 22 01:56 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> news.softpedia.com | NetOS 8.0.2 Arrives with Improved Support for Chromebook Pixel and Surface Pro [ http://ur1.ca/pc4jd ] | Jun 22 01:56 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7521920 | Jun 22 01:57 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NECROPOLIS, the third person action game from Harebrained Schemes may come to Linux http://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/necropolis-the-third-person-action-game-from-harebrained-schemes-may-come-to-linux.7466 #games #gnu #linux | Jun 22 01:57 | |
| schestowitz | "love games from Harebrained Schemes, dat Shadowrun series was awesome (except for Boston Lockdown but it was made by other studio)" | Jun 22 01:57 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.gamingonlinux.com | NECROPOLIS, the third person action game from Harebrained Schemes may come to Linux | GamingOnLinux [ http://ur1.ca/pc4jf ] | Jun 22 01:57 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7524669 | Jun 22 01:57 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The Daily Fails finds another excuse to dish or toss dirt on #wikileaks http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3650588/Julian-Assange-begins-FIFTH-year-hiding-Ecuadorian-Embassy-Wikileaks-founder-fears-sent-Sweden-answer-rape-allegation.html even when it's untrue | Jun 22 01:57 | |
| schestowitz | "Turning into a real farce." | Jun 22 01:57 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.dailymail.co.uk | Julian Assange begins his FIFTH year in hiding at the Ecuadorian Embassy | Daily Mail Online [ http://ur1.ca/pc4jh ] | Jun 22 01:57 | |
| schestowitz | Boris legacy and Will Hague... | Jun 22 01:57 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7522063 | Jun 22 01:58 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Supreme Court Knocks A Little More Off The 4th Amendment; Gives Cops Another Way To Salvage Illegal Searches https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160620/08435234763/supreme-court-knocks-little-more-off-4th-amendment-gives-cops-another-way-to-salvage-illegal-searches.shtml #police | Jun 22 01:58 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.techdirt.com | Supreme Court Knocks A Little More Off The 4th Amendment; Gives Cops Another Way To Salvage Illegal Searches | Techdirt [ http://ur1.ca/pc4jo ] | Jun 22 01:58 | |
| schestowitz | "I have often argued that especially since the NDAA (non)decision of the US Supreme Court in April of 2014, there has actually been no due process and no law at all in this country. The decision in this case only reinforces this view. We may continue to try and use the courts, but I think that the judicial branch is suffering and dying because it has dealt itself far too many fatal blows. http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1s8t6v4" | Jun 22 01:58 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.twitlonger.com | TwitLonger — When you talk too much for Twitter | Jun 22 01:58 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7525507 | Jun 22 02:00 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Sony agrees to pay millions to gamers to settle #PS3 #Linux debacle http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/06/if-you-used-to-run-linux-on-your-ps3-you-could-get-55-from-sony/ | Jun 22 02:00 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 22 02:00 |
| schestowitz | "To get the $55, a gamer “must attest under oath to their purchase of the product and installation of Linux, provide proof of their purchase or serial number and PlayStation Network Sign-in ID, and submit some proof of their use of the Other OS functionality.” To get the $9, PS3 owners must submit a claim that, at the time they bought their console, they "knew about the Other OS, relied upon the Other OS functionality, and intended to use | Jun 22 02:00 |
| schestowitz | the Other OS functionality." | Jun 22 02:00 |
| schestowitz | So, they’re disgruntled that people rightfully objected to the moral implications and the fact that they scammed their customers out of a feature, and are now trying to minimize the financial damage to themselves by putting up a wall of bureaucracy around this hot potato, in hopes not many people will want to go through that ordeal in order to receive a regurgitated compensation. | Jun 22 02:00 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> arstechnica.com | Sony agrees to pay millions to gamers to settle PS3 Linux debacle | Ars Technica | Jun 22 02:00 | |
| schestowitz | Good to know how Sony defines customer service anno 2016. | Jun 22 02:00 |
| schestowitz | "all persons in the United States who purchased a Fat PS3 model in the United States between November 1, 2006, and April 1, 2010." | Jun 22 02:00 |
| schestowitz | US only? Small world I guess. | Jun 22 02:00 |
| schestowitz | Since they imply that they have no customers outside of the US, I think a valid response to that would be, to not buy a Sony product again, to remind them where their money came from. | Jun 22 02:00 |
| schestowitz | #ps3 #sony #linux #wtf #greed | Jun 22 02:00 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 22 02:00 |
| schestowitz | Remember what they did with rootkits and the small payouts | Jun 22 02:00 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7518117 | Jun 22 02:00 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Self-park https://diasp.org/uploads/images/scaled_full_e612350ca776a0426f5a.gif | Jun 22 02:00 | |
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| schestowitz | "Dr. Evil’s rotating chairs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htRHj3tyYyo" | Jun 22 02:00 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.youtube.com | Austin Powers- Mustafa - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/pc4k6 ] | Jun 22 02:00 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7524734 | Jun 22 02:01 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: What is Missing from the Memo 51 U.S. Diplomats Signed Urging Strikes Against #Assad in #Syria http://wemeantwell.com/blog/2016/06/20/what-is-missing-from-the-memo-51-u-s-diplomats-signed-urging-strikes-against-assad-in-syria/ | Jun 22 02:01 | |
| schestowitz | "Yea. Strike Assad not ISIS. Im sick of this poorly deguised regime change op." | Jun 22 02:01 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> wemeantwell.com | What is Missing from the Memo 51 U.S. Diplomats Signed Urging Strikes Against Assad in Syria | Ghosts of Tom Joad - Peter Van Buren [ http://ur1.ca/pc4k9 ] | Jun 22 02:01 | |
| schestowitz | Gone out of control, but weapons are still being sold, so it;s OK | Jun 22 02:01 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7524640 | Jun 22 02:01 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Turkish president #Erdogan takes 'hundreds of people to court for INSULTING him' http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/681385/recep-tayyip-erdogan-tueky-insulting-court-migrants #turkey | Jun 22 02:01 | |
| schestowitz | "Take note: This is exactly what will happen in the U.S. if Trump becomes president! You were warned." | Jun 22 02:01 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.express.co.uk | Erdogan takes 'hundreds of people to court for INSULTING him' | World | News | Daily Express [ http://ur1.ca/pc4kd ] | Jun 22 02:01 | |
| schestowitz | Already happening and he's not even running yet | Jun 22 02:01 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7408742 | Jun 22 02:02 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Time to rename #facebook something like #BurnBook because of #political #censorship that's overt and unforgiving. Like #stalinism / #nazism | Jun 22 02:02 | |
| schestowitz | "Actually, as of late. The new term or catchphrase that is used is #jihadibook " | Jun 22 02:02 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7519330 | Jun 22 02:02 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Those who think that leaving the EU has anything to do with Muslim immigration should read up on #switzerland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Switzerland | Jun 22 02:02 | |
| schestowitz | "I’m probably too daft… can anyone explain to me the point of this post?" | Jun 22 02:02 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> en.wikipedia.org | Islam in Switzerland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/pc4kk ] | Jun 22 02:02 | |
| schestowitz | This related to far-right party, UKIP, which wants brexit under the guise of "stopping Muslim immigration" | Jun 22 02:03 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7521258 | Jun 22 02:03 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This is one of many reasons the #uk needs European regulators http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2460891/snoopers-charter-independent-reviewer-worked-at-gchq #brexit #voteleave | Jun 22 02:03 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 22 02:03 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.theinquirer.net | Snoopers' Charter: 'Independent' reviewer worked at GCHQ | TheINQUIRER | Jun 22 02:03 | |
| schestowitz | How would a European regulator prevent that. The study is done by a Q C from the UK. https://terrorismlegislationreviewer.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/IPR-Report-Web-Accessible1.pdf | Jun 22 02:03 |
| schestowitz | I can’t see how this relates to the EU vote. | Jun 22 02:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 22 02:03 |
| schestowitz | Opposition to this bill has come from central European authorities, to which some of these cases get escalated | Jun 22 02:04 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/HelwaniNose/status/745452575034585088 | Jun 22 07:38 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@HelwaniNose: Pot meet Kettle. https://t.co/iO6RLzkiLc | Jun 22 07:38 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Haha. #apple fan sites pretend that #apple is fighting trolls when Apple itself acts like a massive troll itself https://t.co/XoOOclXZgu | Jun 22 07:38 | |
| schestowitz | "> Thanks for the heads up on varnish. I got a page very early in the morning but it didn't wake me up." | Jun 22 07:39 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7526458 | Jun 22 07:50 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@deusfigendi@pod.geraspora.de: ### Krasser Scheiß, das ist einer der Hauptgründe, warum ich Sony boykottiere. > ---- <strong>  @{ Linux ; linux@joindiaspora.com} </strong><sup> [21.6 | Jun 22 07:50 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 22 07:50 |
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| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> arstechnica.com | Sony agrees to pay millions to gamers to settle PS3 Linux debacle | Ars Technica | Jun 22 07:50 | |
| schestowitz | Krasser Scheiß, das ist einer der Hauptgründe, warum ich Sony boykottiere. | Jun 22 07:50 |
| schestowitz | Avatar Linux 21.6.2016, 21:56:27 | Jun 22 07:50 |
| schestowitz | Sony agrees to pay millions to gamers to settle PS3 Linux debacle http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/06/if-you-used-to-run-linux-on-your-ps3-you-could-get-55-from-sony/ | Jun 22 07:50 |
| schestowitz | Schade dass ein Gericht sie zwingen musste, sonst hätte ich ihnen vielleicht verziehen. Aber genau deshalb teile ich die Information noch einmal, ich finde sie muss in den Köpfen bleiben, auch nach sechs fucking Jahren. | Jun 22 07:50 |
| schestowitz | Wenngleich ich mal annehme, dass nur Kunden in Californien die 55$ bekommen und niemand in Europa. | Jun 22 07:50 |
| schestowitz | #linux #sony #playstation #ps3 #otheros | Jun 22 07:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 22 07:51 |
| schestowitz | holy shit after six years. | Jun 22 07:51 |
| schestowitz | I’m wondering if that’s only for California or will my friends in Europe participate? | Jun 22 07:51 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7525508 | Jun 22 07:51 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Sony agrees to pay millions to gamers to settle PS3 Linux debacle http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/06/if-you-used-to-run-linux-on-your-ps3-you-could-get-55-from-sony/ | Jun 22 07:51 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 22 07:51 |
| schestowitz | holy shit after six years. | Jun 22 07:51 |
| schestowitz | I’m wondering if that’s only for California or will my friends in Europe participate? | Jun 22 07:51 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 22 07:51 |
| schestowitz | US only | Jun 22 07:51 |
| schestowitz | "good mornig Roy, I hope you like my stuff" | Jun 22 07:59 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Jun 22 07:59 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/bastianbest/status/745517946504568832 | Jun 22 08:26 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@bastianbest: "Non-invasive attention management" doesn't sound very patentable from a European perspective as well #swpat https://t.co/BQgPyE6qOF | Jun 22 08:26 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: #swpats - software patents continue to die in the US https://t.co/Z8ZCVrKnpv | Jun 22 08:26 | |
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| schestowitz | "I'm fully aware of this. Unfortunately I have to agree with you and since Jeremy left the Kat their EPO reports leave a lot to be desired. Also the frequency of reporting (as you already mentioned in Techrights before) dropped remarkably. I suspect pressure from the Dark side and I know exactly how Lord Voldemort proceed...(keep this pls for yourself) as I can tell you I was hit severly and multiple times in the past. (literally, they almost | Jun 22 09:49 |
| schestowitz | killed me and my familly) Nepotism, bribing goes beyond imagination and common sense. Trust me Roy, even ILOAT is deeply infected and influented by Lord Voldemort. Evidence, probably books full of evidence however what's it good for? There is (at that moment ) no other option than ILOAT to seek justice. Maybe and hopefully in the (near) future, national tribunals will be open and receivable for EPO cases (cases outside the patent scope) but | Jun 22 09:49 |
| schestowitz | of course that remains to be seen." | Jun 22 09:49 |
| schestowitz | Thanks for sharing these thoughts | Jun 22 09:49 |
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| schestowitz | "Sorry Roy, but that is uncouth. If you are going to post online, why not be civil. It is not necessary to attack something just to be competitive. For those using Macs, this is a big deal." | Jun 22 11:05 |
| schestowitz | comment from https://placeholderapi.wordpress.com/2016/06/20/apple-announced-something-inferior-to-what-linux-had-for-years-an/#comment-156 | Jun 22 11:05 |
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| schestowitz | That said, Apple is a bit part of the problem, definitely not the solution. See http://techrights.org/2016/02/06/patent-trolls-like-virnetx/ | Jun 22 11:06 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | VirnetX Case Against Apple Shows Not the Problem With Patent Trolls But With Software Patents | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/pc7s9 ] | Jun 22 11:06 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrankViewZ/status/745699999015632896 | Jun 22 20:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@FrankViewZ: @felicitouslut @catoletters @schestowitz Meanwhile in England a mother on full social benefits & never worked .. https://t.co/Suwdm6LTji | Jun 22 20:36 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@FrankViewZ: @felicitouslut @catoletters @schestowitz Meanwhile in England a mother on full social benefits & never worked .. https://t.co/Suwdm6LTji | Jun 22 20:36 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.ip-watch.org/2016/06/22/jaguar-land-rover-faces-uphill-legal-battle-against-jiangling-motor-over-copycat-car/ | Jun 22 20:37 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.ip-watch.org | Jaguar Land Rover Faces Uphill Legal Battle Against Jiangling Motor Over Copycat Car | Jun 22 20:37 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/EPOorg/status/745644236817698817 https://twitter.com/EPOorg/status/745629138497769476 | Jun 22 20:41 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@EPOorg: Are you a regular user of #Espacenet? Maybe you'd like to join our user consultation on new ways to use Espacenet https://t.co/qRMHVOOCe0 | Jun 22 20:41 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> forums.epo.org | New Espacenet - user consultations : Espacenet | Jun 22 20:41 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@EPOorg: Find out how to spot relevant patent documents by simply monitoring large lists: https://t.co/zT3XnH3CAR #freewebinar | Jun 22 20:41 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.epo.org | EPO - Event details | Jun 22 20:41 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/manticlops/status/745758386713657344 | Jun 23 06:56 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@manticlops: @schestowitz "Barclays - Making phones worth stealing once again" | Jun 23 06:56 | |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/06/procedure-to-remove-board-of-appeal.html?showComment=1466622502986#c1437006950237054018 | Jun 23 07:32 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: Procedure to remove Board of Appeal member from office ends - after reports of attempts to nobble the Enlarged Board [ http://ur1.ca/pcf89 ] | Jun 23 07:32 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 23 07:32 |
| schestowitz | While you're at it have a gander at the Implementing Regulations, Rule 119: | Jun 23 07:32 |
| schestowitz | "Before a party, witness or expert may be heard, he shall be informed that the European Patent Office may request the competent court in the country of residence of the person concerned to re-examine his testimony under oath or in an equally binding form." | Jun 23 07:32 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 23 07:32 |
| schestowitz | "Really want to take a shot at Brussels but alas EPO is headquartered in Munich. It a little piece of Brussels like dysfunction in Bavaria. Either way you don't get much more insulated from market forces." | Jun 23 08:31 |
| schestowitz | http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2016/06/22/epo_staff_plead_country_reps_to_fire_president/ | Jun 23 08:31 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-forums.theregister.co.uk | Open letter from EPO staff pleads with country reps to fire president • The Register Forums [ http://ur1.ca/pcfkd ] | Jun 23 08:31 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Tommi_M_Elo/status/745926055169507328 | Jun 23 11:27 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Tommi_M_Elo: @schestowitz Yes. Vendor lock-in acid, 13 in a dozen code slaves and Redmond quality control... | Jun 23 11:27 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/huehuehuio/status/745941707389341696 | Jun 23 12:38 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@huehuehuio: The only time a Microsoft product saves energy is when it stop spying on you. It's a brief moment though. https://t.co/YfzWPjqfJV | Jun 23 12:38 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Opera repudiates Microsoft Edge battery-saving claims https://t.co/3KeJzMTgbB no surprise. Microsoft=liars and criminals. | Jun 23 12:39 | |
| schestowitz | > Hi, Roy, | Jun 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | > I just listened to the FOSSForce video. | Jun 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | > One comment about the first listen is that opponents have been allowed | Jun 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | > to reframe the discussion of software to the point that RMS is not given | Jun 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | > credit for founding a whole movement. There would be no OSS without the | Jun 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | > original GNU. More to the point, rather than letting him get called | Jun 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | > "extreme", my first thought is to say that he is instead at the "forefront" | Jun 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | > I generally skip the videos otherwise and would prefer if Roblimo would | Jun 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | > provide transcripts instead. We'll listen to it again soon as Satu | Jun 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | > wanted me to translate or explain some of what was said. However, he | Jun 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | > did a pretty good job interviewing so maybe I should set some time aside | Jun 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | > to look at some of the old ones. | Jun 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | I spoke to him for over 3 hours. He's a fascinating person, also former NSA staff and military man. | Jun 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | Thanks for the feedback. | Jun 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ritchiepage2001/status/745960197278007296 | Jun 23 13:51 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@ritchiepage2001: #2218of2383 #Banks #WTO #MassIncarceration #IraqWar #Oligarchs #NAFTA #SuperPACs #Media Vs #BLM #union #occupy #vets https://t.co/gmKmw5yRa9 | Jun 23 13:51 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: More young people voted for Bernie #Sanders than Donald Rump and #Clinton combined — by a lot https://t.co/GRLw57MMa4 | Jun 23 13:51 | |
| schestowitz | Florida's Robin “Roblimo” Miller and I Regarding GNU/Linux, Patents and More http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2016/06/23/linux-patents-and-more/ | Jun 23 14:06 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-schestowitz.com | schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Robin “Roblimo” Miller and I Regarding GNU/Linux, Patents and More | Jun 23 14:06 | |
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| r_schestowitz | http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2016/06/22/epo_staff_plead_country_reps_to_fire_president/ | Jun 23 16:24 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jun 23 16:24 |
| r_schestowitz | They need to be careful, in case he gets so far up himself he starts saying "Off with their heads!" | Jun 23 16:24 |
| r_schestowitz | [Method of detachment of head from body...] | Jun 23 16:24 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jun 23 16:24 |
| r_schestowitz | "Was the timing of this letter purely coincidental with the UK referendum?" | Jun 23 16:24 |
| r_schestowitz | The EPO is not an EU organisation. If it was then these problem would not exist in the sense the president of the EPO would not be a president and could be sacked/disciplined in a normal way. | Jun 23 16:24 |
| r_schestowitz | We should rememeber not everything with the word european in it is part of the EU and the UK has it's own share of dysfunctional organisations although this paticular saga does seem extraordinary. | Jun 23 16:24 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jun 23 16:24 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jun 23 16:24 |
| r_schestowitz | The EPO is not an EU organisation. If it was then these problem would not exist in the sense the president of the EPO would not be a president and could be sacked/disciplined in a normal way. | Jun 23 16:25 |
| r_schestowitz | We should rememeber not everything with the word european in it is part of the EU and the UK has it's own share of dysfunctional organisations although this paticular saga does seem extraordinary. | Jun 23 16:25 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jun 23 16:25 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AdvanLoon/status/746001355521818624 | Jun 23 16:29 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@AdvanLoon: @schestowitz @GCHQ Accidentally, the UK happens to be part of the EU and is therefore bound by EU law (including. #privacyshield). | Jun 23 16:29 | |
| r_schestowitz | Let's hope it stays in the EU then | Jun 23 16:30 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/746011841927720961 | Jun 23 17:22 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@KrapulaPhD: Now with complete English transcript @schestowitz @ipwatch @WorldIPReview #laguerradeibrevetti https://t.co/qSGBrqtFYz | Jun 23 17:22 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@reportrai3: #Report da rivedere - "La guerra dei brevetti", di Paolo Mondani https://t.co/eEHDe3sm3T https://t.co/diStqT4b1i | Jun 23 17:22 | |
| r_schestowitz | > All is well here. Andrew is coming for a visit tomorrow, staying at the Diplomat Hotel and bringing his new girlfriend to meet us. He is in divorce proceedings with his wife. Rachelle was given a huge project by her boss that might require 6 months to complete. I have the utmost confidence in her career success. | Jun 23 17:45 |
| r_schestowitz | Sounds good, I didn't expect Andrew to move on so quickly. | Jun 23 17:45 |
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| r_schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/06/procedure-to-remove-board-of-appeal.html?showComment=1466663265737#c8331210953464114816 | Jun 23 19:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: Procedure to remove Board of Appeal member from office ends - after reports of attempts to nobble the Enlarged Board | Jun 23 19:36 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jun 23 19:36 |
| r_schestowitz | WPS and Umo, | Jun 23 19:36 |
| r_schestowitz | Yes, I underwood that generally but I meant the practicalities. If the EBoA is not able to hear people they or the 'defendant' wish to hear, I presume their powers are limited. | Jun 23 19:36 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jun 23 19:36 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jun 23 19:36 |
| r_schestowitz | "Open letter from EPO staff pleads with country reps to fire president." | Jun 23 19:36 |
| r_schestowitz | Pray that it works - because if it doesn't the Investigation Unit will be quite busy in the Great Purge that will follow ... | Jun 23 19:36 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jun 23 19:36 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jun 23 19:36 |
| r_schestowitz | See also | Jun 23 19:37 |
| r_schestowitz | Rule 120 | Jun 23 19:37 |
| r_schestowitz | Hearing by a competent national court | Jun 23 19:37 |
| r_schestowitz | http://www.epo.org/law-practice/legal-texts/html/epc/2013/e/r120.html | Jun 23 19:37 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.epo.org | Rule 120 – Hearing by a competent national court - The European Patent Convention, Implementing Regulations – to the Convention on the Grant of European Patents, Part VII – Implementing Regulations to Part VII of the Convention, Chapter III – Oral proceedings and taking of evidence [ http://ur1.ca/pcjl9 ] | Jun 23 19:37 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jun 23 19:37 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jun 23 19:37 |
| r_schestowitz | The Register reports about an Open letter from EPO staff pleads with country reps to fire president. | Jun 23 19:37 |
| r_schestowitz | The letter is here. | Jun 23 19:37 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jun 23 19:37 |
| r_schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/06/a-patent-to-prevent-eu-referendum-ip.html?showComment=1466682908243#c6891757780017231603 | Jun 23 19:38 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: A patent to prevent the EU Referendum: An IP practitioner's Brexit dream [ http://ur1.ca/pcjlp ] | Jun 23 19:38 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jun 23 19:38 |
| r_schestowitz | A cynic in IP would say that the single patent is the Euro of IP, built on political expediency not logic and imposed by unelected technocrats. And something to be overseen by unelected judges (thank you Lord Forsyth (BBC r4 question time). It is the biggest assault on our sovereignty of all so far. The granting of letters patent in all spheres is an act of sovereignty... | Jun 23 19:38 |
| r_schestowitz | Or in a system of globalised trade it is a step towards a global approach to defining and protecting rights... | Jun 23 19:38 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jun 23 19:38 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/746013967739461632 | Jun 23 19:48 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: @bastianbest @minnosphere not really, no need of patents to create a successful business. | Jun 23 19:48 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/746035534208827393 | Jun 23 19:48 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: @bastianbest @minnosphere Most software companies don't have patents. And that's for a pragmatic reason. | Jun 23 19:48 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/746036534369976320 | Jun 23 19:49 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: @bastianbest @minnosphere furthermore, patent attorneys don't understand code, so they are useless to verify code. | Jun 23 19:49 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TheBigDingus/status/745985912337764352 https://twitter.com/sklivvz/status/745986169591173120 | Jun 23 20:02 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@TheBigDingus: @sklivvz @Snowden They're actually voting against refugee immigrants but #bremain twists it into "immigrants" to promote fear & bigotry. | Jun 23 20:02 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@sklivvz: @TheBigDingus @Snowden no no, it's actually immigrants from the EU. | Jun 23 20:02 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/EPOorg/status/745951274705747968 | Jun 23 20:03 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@EPOorg: @Maria_GlezF The internet publication of the EQE results is foreseen for the beginning of July. | Jun 23 20:03 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/746057845276303360 | Jun 23 20:14 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Wikinaut: @schestowitz https://t.co/ny9IXMwikI | Jun 23 20:14 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: Enlarged Board publishes decision: EPO President violated judicial independence | Jun 23 20:14 | |
| r_schestowitz | Yes, working on the text now | Jun 23 20:14 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/746058483074797572 | Jun 23 20:15 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Wikinaut: @schestowitz wow https://t.co/5gy4XmAzKJ | Jun 23 20:15 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/746058680219635712 | Jun 23 20:15 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz Haven’t you got your ego’s mixed up? :-) | Jun 23 20:15 | |
| r_schestowitz | ;-) clickbait | Jun 23 20:15 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/746059217543532544 | Jun 23 20:18 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Wikinaut: @schestowitz cc then to HeikoMaas | Jun 23 20:18 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/746059147385372672 | Jun 23 20:18 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz Dam predictive text - s/be epo’s ;-) | Jun 23 20:18 | |
| r_schestowitz | He's ignoring everyone | Jun 23 20:18 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/746059813109534721 | Jun 23 20:20 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@jmcest: /cc @justica_pt @govpt @antoniocostapm https://t.co/VMtzT3kfNa | Jun 23 20:20 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Enlarged Board publishes decision: EPO President violated judicial independence https://t.co/IE9aDlYA0L will he be put on trial? ;-) | Jun 23 20:20 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/746062799902752768 | Jun 23 20:34 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Sheikh_al_Touar: @schestowitz Enlarged Board publishes decision: EPO President violated judicial independence https://t.co/g8bagTL9hH | Jun 23 20:34 | |
| r_schestowitz | ocring it | Jun 23 20:34 |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/746062741308383234 | Jun 23 21:04 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Sheikh_al_Touar: Enlarged Board publishes decision: EPO President violated judicial independence https://t.co/g8bagTL9hH | Jun 23 21:04 | |
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| r_schestowitz | Re: Decision | Jun 23 22:04 |
| r_schestowitz | > Hi Roy, I bet that you already received this document. ;) | Jun 23 22:04 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jun 23 22:04 |
| r_schestowitz | > Best wishes, | Jun 23 22:05 |
| r_schestowitz | Yes, I have. I hope it'll make an impact. | Jun 23 22:05 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/746086966412910592 | Jun 23 22:07 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@AJimenez1988: Because Soros, Bliar and Rothschild, who support Remain, are working-class. https://t.co/yZTzRpPXKZ | Jun 23 22:07 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Just remember: Brexit is a fake revolt – working-class culture is being hijacked to help the elite https://t.co/6M6sb05hUU like Trump... | Jun 23 22:07 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/opendna/status/746249842247208960 | Jun 24 08:54 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@opendna: Forget occupying houses, the UK just cratered its claim to being a hedge against instability for foreign oligarchs. https://t.co/sFuwqyytoK | Jun 24 08:54 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Now that #uk gives the middle finger to the EU, expect less people to occupy houses, i.e. a real estate collapse | Jun 24 08:54 | |
| schestowitz | good point | Jun 24 08:54 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/maynon2013/status/746252167498113024 | Jun 24 09:06 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@maynon2013: @schestowitz Labour supporters "fed up of being told they're ignorant, they're racist" when raising concerns about impact of immigration. | Jun 24 09:07 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/JSmith53535/status/746252798120108032 | Jun 24 09:07 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@JSmith53535: @schestowitz He's spent his entire life against the EU like the great Tony Benn. Then he says stay. Heartlands rejected him. A fool. | Jun 24 09:07 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/746252826851086336 | Jun 24 09:07 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz UKIP, unlike all other UK parties, supported FFII/NoSoftwarePatents on patentable subject matter as well as UPC predecessor. | Jun 24 09:07 | |
| schestowitz | But it's not hard to see what their agenda was... against UPC and the likes of it | Jun 24 09:07 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/746254278990401536 https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/746254691831545856 | Jun 24 09:15 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz they really cared about small business and open source interests | Jun 24 09:15 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz Labour Party was even less receptive to our arguments than German conservatives | Jun 24 09:15 | |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:35 |
| schestowitz | > http://m.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/libby-leaks-oakland-mayor-launches-investigation-against-city-and-police-whistleblowers/Content?oid=4849906 | Jun 24 10:35 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-m.eastbayexpress.com | #LibbyLeaks: Oakland Mayor Launches Investigation Against City and Police Whistleblowers | News | East Bay Express [ http://ur1.ca/pcq6h ] | Jun 24 10:35 | |
| schestowitz | > Multiple separate scandals and they try to distract with this instead | Jun 24 10:35 |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:35 |
| schestowitz | > "Sharia is the root cause of the Orlando tragedy, yet Hillary Clinton, | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > the mainstream media, and the anti-gun crowd go to great lengths to | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > cover this up." | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/06/21/its-sharia-stupid/ | Jun 24 10:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.breitbart.com | It's Sharia, Stupid! - Breitbart [ http://ur1.ca/pcq6j ] | Jun 24 10:36 | |
| schestowitz | > he underestimates both the number pushing for sharia and the number | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > needed to make it happen, see: | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.thelocal.dk/20151019/forty-percent-danish-muslims-wants-quran-based-laws | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > https://www.rt.com/news/342718-copenhagen-bars-sharia-patrols/ | Jun 24 10:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.thelocal.dk | 4 of 10 Danish Muslims want Quran-based laws - The Local [ http://ur1.ca/pcq6l ] | Jun 24 10:36 | |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.rt.com | Copenhagen bars tired of ‘Sharia patrols’ rampage & threats raise issue with integration minister — RT News [ http://ur1.ca/pcq6m ] | Jun 24 10:36 | |
| schestowitz | > http://time.com/4379348/pakistan-amjad-sabri-sufi-singer-dead-shot-taliban/ | Jun 24 10:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-time.com | Pakistan Mourns Assassination of Sufi Singer Amjad Sabri [ http://ur1.ca/pcq6o ] | Jun 24 10:36 | |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.cnet.com/news/apple-ebook-price-fixing-settlement-400-million-to-customers/ | Jun 24 10:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.cnet.com | Apple starts to shell out $400 million to customers in e-book settlement - CNET [ http://ur1.ca/pcq6q ] | Jun 24 10:36 | |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > x | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.digitaltrends.com/social-media/president-obama-will-talk-tech-with-mark-zuckerberg-on-facebook-live/ | Jun 24 10:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.digitaltrends.com | NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/pcq6r ] | Jun 24 10:36 | |
| schestowitz | > manipulating POTUS to produce spam | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > "Compas is an algorithm developed by a private company" | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/23/us/backlash-in-wisconsin-against-using-data-to-foretell-defendants-futures.html?_r=0 | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/pcq6t ] | Jun 24 10:36 | |
| schestowitz | > https://torrentfreak.com/court-orders-usenet-providers-expose-prolific-pirates-160622/ | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-torrentfreak.com | Court Orders Usenet Providers to Expose Prolific Pirates - TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/pcq6u ] | Jun 24 10:36 | |
| schestowitz | > https://torrentfreak.com/vpn-providers-protest-plans-expand-government-hacking-powers-160622/ | Jun 24 10:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-torrentfreak.com | VPN Providers Protest Plans to Expand Government Hacking Powers - TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/pcq6w ] | Jun 24 10:36 | |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/twitter-trolls-are-reporting-muslim-girls-to-the-police-for-posting-blasphemous-messages-online-a7096191.html | Jun 24 10:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.independent.co.uk | Twitter trolls are reporting Muslim girls to the police for posting 'blasphemous' messages online | Tech | Lifestyle | The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/pcq6y ] | Jun 24 10:36 | |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2016/06/21/waukesha-gets-permission-draw-water-lake-michigan/86187378/ | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > - | Jun 24 10:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.freep.com | Waukesha gets permission to draw water from Lake Michigan [ http://ur1.ca/pcq70 ] | Jun 24 10:36 | |
| schestowitz | > “The Lakes hold about 20 per cent of the world’s freshwater, but only a | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > fraction, about one per cent, of that water is renewable,” | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > http://motherboard.vice.com/read/waukesha-wisconsin-drinking-water-great-lakes | Jun 24 10:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-motherboard.vice.com | This US City’s Move to Divert Great Lakes Drinking Water Is Just the Beginning | Motherboard [ http://ur1.ca/pcq71 ] | Jun 24 10:36 | |
| schestowitz | > Once the water is taken out of the watershed it is gone and just a | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > matter of time before the whole ecosystem is drained. Then everyone can | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > be impoverished in drought. Again, don't send them a single drop, send | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > them U-Hauls so they can move to where the water is. | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-fracking-idUSKCN0Z71YY | Jun 24 10:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reuters.com | German government agrees to ban fracking indefinitely | Reuters [ http://ur1.ca/pcq72 ] | Jun 24 10:36 | |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36603847 | Jun 24 10:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.bbc.com | Amjad Sabri: Pakistanis mourn singer killed by Taliban - BBC News [ http://ur1.ca/pcq74 ] | Jun 24 10:36 | |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > https://hax.5july.org/2016/06/23/possible-new-developments-in-the-assange-vs-sweden-case/ | Jun 24 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:37 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-hax.5july.org | Possible new developments in the Sweden vs. Assange case | HAX [ http://ur1.ca/pcq75 ] | Jun 24 10:37 | |
| schestowitz | > http://www.broadcastingcable.com/news/washington/senate-report-cites-charter-time-warner-cable-overcharges/157537 | Jun 24 10:37 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.broadcastingcable.com | Senate Report Cites Charter, Time Warner Cable Overcharges | Broadcasting & Cable [ http://ur1.ca/pcq77 ] | Jun 24 10:37 | |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.straitstimes.com/world/interpol-says-its-seeking-public-help-to-track-down-123-suspected-human-traffickers | Jun 24 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > one of the major factors in driving the "migrant" crisis | Jun 24 10:37 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.straitstimes.com | Interpol says it's seeking public help to track down 123 suspected human traffickers, World News & Top Stories - The Straits Times [ http://ur1.ca/pcq78 ] | Jun 24 10:37 | |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > http://motherboard.vice.com/read/court-rules-the-fbi-does-not-need-a-warrant-to-hack-a-computer?utm_source=mbtwitter | Jun 24 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:37 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-motherboard.vice.com | Court Rules the FBI Does Not Need a Warrant to Hack a Computer | Motherboard [ http://ur1.ca/pcq7a ] | Jun 24 10:37 | |
| schestowitz | > https://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-boss-europes-geo-unblocking-plans-threaten-movie-industry-160623/ | Jun 24 10:37 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-torrentfreak.com | MPAA Boss: Europe's Geo Unblocking Plans Threaten Movie Industry - TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/pcq7b ] | Jun 24 10:37 | |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jun/23/clash-of-clans-maker-supercell-becomes-europes-first-decacorn | Jun 24 10:37 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.theguardian.com | Clash of Clans maker Supercell becomes Europe's first 'decacorn' | Technology | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/pcq7c ] | Jun 24 10:37 | |
| schestowitz | > bought out / sold out | Jun 24 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/06/clintons-private-e-mail-was-blocked-by-spam-filters-so-state-it-turned-them-off/ | Jun 24 10:37 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-arstechnica.com | Clinton’s private e-mail was blocked by spam filters—so State IT turned them off | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/pcq7d ] | Jun 24 10:37 | |
| schestowitz | > start going after the companies that hire spammers instead of playing | Jun 24 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > with kludges | Jun 24 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > https://letsencrypt.org//2016/06/23/defending-our-brand.html | Jun 24 10:37 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-letsencrypt.org | Defending Our Brand - Let's Encrypt - Free SSL/TLS Certificates [ http://ur1.ca/pcq7f ] | Jun 24 10:37 | |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/23/jury-finds-led-zeppelin-did-not-steal-intro-to-stairway-to-heaven.html | Jun 24 10:37 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.cnbc.com | Jury finds Led Zeppelin did not steal intro to 'Stairway to Heaven' [ http://ur1.ca/pcq7i ] | Jun 24 10:37 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MarcoRm6/status/746275432249593857 | Jun 24 10:44 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@MarcoRm6: Già ci si spartisce il bottino: Spanish minister calls for #Gibraltar to be returned to #Spain #Brexit #RegnoUnito https://t.co/hKpxnsC1gK | Jun 24 10:44 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Spanish minister calls for #Gibraltar to be returned to #Spain on back of #Brexit vote https://t.co/ubIPeycd8E N. Ireland and Scotland next? | Jun 24 10:44 | |
| schestowitz | > Hi, | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > today (20160624) when I accessed your feed on | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > http://techrights.org/feed/ | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > my Firefox browser showed for a short moment (in the status bar left | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > below) a message which looked like trying to connect to a sevrer in JO | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > xxx.xxx.jo | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > (xxx is only a placeholder for some few letters I do not remember) | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > Suspicious. I killed m Firefox, and restarted and could then finally | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > load your feed. | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > My /etc/hosts file looks okay. | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > I just wanted to inform you, Perhaps a glitch in the DNS ?? or with your | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > domaoin registrar ? | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | Thank you, I will investigate the server and inform the nameserver maintainer. | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | (just fyi, not suggesting anything awkward is happening, just something to keep in mine) | Jun 24 11:00 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrankViewZ/status/746286967814500352 | Jun 24 11:33 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@FrankViewZ: @catoletters @schestowitz @EtonOldBoys American ignorance is here to stay 👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾 https://t.co/BFEHahqoBI | Jun 24 11:33 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@FrankViewZ: @catoletters @schestowitz @EtonOldBoys American ignorance is here to stay 👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾 https://t.co/BFEHahqoBI | Jun 24 11:33 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/EIP_Elements/status/746289801507278848 | Jun 24 11:33 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@EIP_Elements: @schestowitz who said that to you? This was also stated at the @TheCIPA brexit debate several weeks ago. | Jun 24 11:33 | |
| schestowitz | Nobody said that literally, but people insinuated I was unrealistic. I covered that statement at the time. | Jun 24 11:34 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/06/enlarged-board-publishes-decision-epo.html?showComment=1466763218897#c5674179909544822553 | Jun 24 13:11 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: Enlarged Board publishes decision: EPO President violated judicial independence [ http://ur1.ca/pcrh7 ] | Jun 24 13:11 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 13:11 |
| schestowitz | he is the one that does not understand the EPC | Jun 24 13:11 |
| schestowitz | [Movie Opening: inspiring music, suggestive scenes] | Jun 24 13:11 |
| schestowitz | "In a time of important reforms, the European Patent Office was managed by someone obviously unable to grasp the details of the Law ..." | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz | Dear Kittens, | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz | thank you, I am sad too. It is good to not feel alone ins such cases. | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz | I also thank You for your promise to keep us updated about any developments during the exit negotiations regarding IP. | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz | But, as Switzerland and Norway prove, this will not be the end. It is a big exclamation mark behind the need to discuss how the future European integration must continue, and where we need to draw the "do not cross" line. | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz | Let us take this as a chance to improve the EU, and cooperation within Europe. | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz | The EU had its flaws, and this is why a majority voted "Leave". | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz | I cannot begrudge anyone for having voted so, while I personally believed in a "stay", and even hoped for a clear majority voting to "stay". | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz | This decision has been taken by the people, and democracy means that it was their decision. | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz | We will remain friends. I currently I do not foresee a crisis which may change that. | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz | What a total travesty, it is a sad day to be a young, legal professional in Britain :( | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz | Time to apply for my Irish passport. | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 13:13 |
| schestowitz | Dear IP-Colleagues, | Jun 24 13:13 |
| schestowitz | after all the loud and at last terrible distracting events in the campaign about the BREXIT, we are in the privileged position that we are at least in patent law cases in the EPO and not in EU . Looking forward to the UPC, I hope there wont be new barriers on travels to London. | Jun 24 13:13 |
| schestowitz | At least EU and Great Britain have a blueprint for their forthcoming negotiations - the EFTA-status of Norway, if that's the level of EU-association that Britain finds sufficient. | Jun 24 13:13 |
| schestowitz | With my view from mainland Europe, I hope the best for Britain. | Jun 24 13:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 13:13 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/opendna/status/746311594284580865 | Jun 24 13:16 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@opendna: @GOettingerEU Better call home to confirm the talking points, sir. Merkel says Scotland can "stay" in. @schestowitz https://t.co/cVHXUy1wXq | Jun 24 13:16 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@GOettingerEU: If Scotland would leave UK and fullfill all condition for membership it might be possible it joins the EU. #brexit https://t.co/BmmNl3jsGa | Jun 24 13:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/opendna/status/746311951639248896 | Jun 24 13:16 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@opendna: @GOettingerEU Obviously, there is a rather large difference between staying in and going through the accession process. @schestowitz | Jun 24 13:16 | |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/06/enlarged-board-publishes-decision-epo.html?showComment=1466766313764#c6627035074895587090 | Jun 24 13:20 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: Enlarged Board publishes decision: EPO President violated judicial independence [ http://ur1.ca/pcrjo ] | Jun 24 13:20 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 13:20 |
| schestowitz | [Movie Opening: inspiring music, suggestive scenes] | Jun 24 13:20 |
| schestowitz | [deep breathing sounds emanating from the mouthpiece of a helmet sitting atop a coal black uniform] | Jun 24 13:20 |
| schestowitz | Pukes, I am your father! | Jun 24 13:20 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 13:20 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/06/dear-europe.html?showComment=1466767164546#c76472856874671050 | Jun 24 13:21 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: Dear Europe... [ http://ur1.ca/pcrjs ] | Jun 24 13:21 | |
| schestowitz | " Please stop the emotional twaddle and tell us what it means for us and our clients. " | Jun 24 13:21 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 13:21 |
| schestowitz | Yes, it is a big step, with an uncertain future, but in my opinion, a necessary one. You cannot disenfranchise 500 million people and hope for permanent stability. It is a recipe for extremism. A peaceful democratic decision has been bravely taken, and perhaps, just perhaps, the EU will seriously address the democratic deficit that is its fundamental problem. We have seen a lot of hand-wringing from Remainers about this problem, but no | Jun 24 13:21 |
| schestowitz | suggestions for a solution. It should not have taken such drastic measures to bring about necessary change, I agree, but I can't see that there was any alternative on offer from the EU. The EU has a long and sorry history of ignoring the will of the people (Netherlands, Ireland, France, etc etc), and of overthrowing elected governments (Italy, Greece), all in the name of uniting Europe under an unelected oligarchy. It can't go on. | Jun 24 13:21 |
| schestowitz | Incidentally, an intervention by the EU into the appalling goings-on in the EPO has been requested by many parties - EPO staff, MEPs of several political persuasions, national politicians. In vain, although as a bloc including the vast majority of EPO Member States it could intervene decisively. Its failure to do so is just one of its many failures and risks the demise of a once great European institution, which should be of concern to those | Jun 24 13:21 |
| schestowitz | on this blog. | Jun 24 13:21 |
| schestowitz | " There is one thing that I have not understood in Brexit from mainland Europe. Where David Cameron is going? It is just a beginning of political dialog on cooperation of European countries, which bound to be together in one way or another. The will expressed on the referendum is a fact, a political development. It is for politicians to make the best of it. " | Jun 24 13:21 |
| schestowitz | There is one thing that I have not understood in Brexit from mainland Europe. Where David Cameron is going? It is just a beginning of political dialog on cooperation of European countries, which bound to be together in one way or another. The will expressed on the referendum is a fact, a political development. It is for politicians to make the best of it. | Jun 24 13:21 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/06/dear-europe.html?showComment=1466767983986#c4635805875220954484 | Jun 24 13:22 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: Dear Europe... [ http://ur1.ca/pcrk1 ] | Jun 24 13:22 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/746291940837236736 | Jun 24 13:24 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: @ipgossip @DominionHarbor @IPDealmakers @Forbes Alice and IPR to burst their fragile bubble? | Jun 24 13:24 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/746304229682323456 | Jun 24 13:28 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@KrapulaPhD: EU minds greek children dying for lack of medicines, now crying its ass off because of #brexit and call for a change? Bunch of hypocrites. | Jun 24 13:28 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/746305049467432960 | Jun 24 13:29 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: @DavidGlaude @glynmoody @TheCreaturesLab low latency protocols makes spying easy. | Jun 24 13:29 | |
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| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/06/dear-europe.html?showComment=1466768522008#c5456491660732863054 | Jun 24 20:44 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: Dear Europe... | Jun 24 20:44 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | A sad day indeed and a bad decision. | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Among all the scaremongering lies told, if only the 'remain' campaigners had said the price of beer will increase and Britain will never be able to play in or win the European Football tournaments - and I'm sure the result would have been very different. | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | The only upside is that we will never have to suffer any further humiliation coming near lat in the Eurovision Song Contest ! | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Dear Katfriends, | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Thank you for the post. This piece makes us know that there is a great part of Britain that feels part of Europe. | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | These are difficult times, but you should not feel ashamed or sorry. This is not your fault. Democracy is not perfect and a lot less when there are not leaders. | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | I hope this decision makes Europe citizens reflect on what we want and how we want it. If we prefer staying together and stronger or alone and poor of spirit. To that end, we should bear in mind what happened in the '30s and '40s and decide if we want the past or the future. | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Regards, | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Álvaro | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | " So no chemistry court in London under the UPC. Well, well.... " | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Sad news. | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | A cynic might point out that a devalued pound just made UK firms a whole lot more competitive, at least for EPC and PCT related work. OHIM, sorry, EUIPO is a different story. | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | " an no (or very little) UK representation before the UPC, no UK judges, probably a reduction in the number of cases before the High Court as the UK fades into insignificance. ' | Jun 24 20:46 |
| schestowitz | " Hear hear, IPKat. This Scottish practitioner is heartbroken. We didn't vote for this! " | Jun 24 20:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Surely, so far as the licensing of copyright-protected content is concerned, the headline is that nothing has changed. | Jun 24 20:46 |
| schestowitz | If you have some content that others are willing to pay for, then you can sell it. Of course, there are some interesting political and legal questions (which we can get paid to answer) but the bottom line is that a regulatory framework is just a blank sheet of paper. What matters is what you write on it. | Jun 24 20:46 |
| schestowitz | PS I realize that this is somewhat simplistic, but I trying to make a point, not write a treatise.... | Jun 24 20:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:46 |
| schestowitz | " We have to bear in mind there are so many non-IP issues that were relevant to Brexit. A lot of the UK population did not feel the benefits of being in the EU, and they expressed that. We cannot just 'persuade' people to vote a certain way by giving them lots of reasons which don't connect to their personal lives and circumstances. The EU institutions have not treated all their citizens well. That might not have been the EU's fault, but they | Jun 24 20:46 |
| schestowitz | must bear the consequences of not being able to benefit everyone. " | Jun 24 20:47 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Dear IPKat Team, | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | I was touched by your e-mail of this morning. | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | The outcome of the yesterday referendum is indeed very sad. | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | I was shocked this morning but at the same time I felt very sorry about all of us, including you living and working in the UK. In my perception, all Europeans (including the UK of course) have been taken hostage by a certain political elite who has abused the referendum for their own goals. It makes me angry that this has happened and that we were apparently unable to defend us against such unfriendly act. | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | I have to admit that I hated to see all these lawyer’s newsletters in past weeks which already speculated on the possible consequences for IP in the case of Brexit. It was a topic I did not want to think that it would happen and I was not amused that some used it to receive attention. It is sad enough that we have to talk about that topic in the near future. | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | I am also furious with politicians in our European countries who have often blamed Europe for something they were also involved in. They did not avoid in past years that a picture of the EU has been created which apparently was reason for enough people yesterday to vote the UK out of the EU. Neither on EU- nor on national level our “elites” have worked hard enough to make most citizen understand what makes the EU attractive and that it is | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | worth to work for its improvement given all the things which are criticized for good reasons. However, life is never perfect, neither in our world, nor in our countries nor in our municipalities not to talk about our personal life. Already the fact that we live in Europe already for decades in so much better conditions than our ancestors had to go through in Europe 70 years ago, 100 years ago and before should have been a striking argument | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | for the EU. Furthermore, we can maintain peace, economic welfare and open societies in a globalized world only together. Each of us alone will never succeed. | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | I am working in the field of IP for now 18 years and since then I have followed developments in the field of IP in Europe with great interest. It has always been very exciting and has enriched my professional life a lot. IP will remain a very important topic in Europe despite (and now also because of) Brexit. Therefore, in the future, there will be a lot of topics on which we have to work certainly many occasions to discuss them together. | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Our ways to influence politics are very limited but given the experiences of past weeks, we should perhaps use them more than before. However, this is certainly difficult given our dedications to our profession, families, friends etc. But we have everything in our hands to develop further our collaboration and friendships and make them sustainable whatever the future will bring. | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | I do not know whether it has been by accident or on purpose but today, our company cafeteria here in Germany has “fish and chips” for today’s lunch. This dish has been selected by quite a number of people including myself. | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | With best regards and wishes from the continent, | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Christian Schalk | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Dear "Roastbeef" of the ipkat Team a Froggy is writing here ! | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | I just wanted to publically tell you thank you for the great work of yours and reassure you that even in France (amazing hey?) you find many who are today like you sad, angry, ashamed. | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Bon courage and let us keep together tight since we are stronger together | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | PS: My name is not Battistelli | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | What I miss in this piece is the respect for the democratic vote of the majority of the people in your country. "The UK IP profession was in favour of remaining" - quite frankly, who cares about the IP profession?! Please note that you are only a privileged few far away from the problems that many "ordinary people" have, their lives are dominated by issues much more fundamental than such prophanities as IP rights. The fact that you do not | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | seem to even recognise this is very telling. | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | You should start realising that many people in your country doubt that the EU as it currently stands is a desirable project for the future. I personally can very well understand this, but, as a democrat, I also respect the opposite position. The latter is what you do not seem to be prepared doing. | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | What your "letter" really is about is your personal fear of losing influence following the "Brexit" decision. You seem to be so centered on your careers that everything else is meaningless, becoming marginalized probably being the worst thing you can imagine to happen to you. Because for you, it's only you what counts. | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Go out and start leading a meaningful life. Showing true respect and tolerance for other people's opinion and for the outcome of a democratic process might be a good point to start with. | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | ' | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | "I would just like to associate myself wholeheartedly with my former blogging colleagues' sentiments. Well said!' | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Sadness is not my predominant emotion at present. I am fucking furious. | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | This is the edited version of my views. | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Dear Colleagues and friends, | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Good news! The 6 nations will become the two nations, France against Italy. It gives us a chance to win. | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Apart from that, it seems to me that for our clients, the choice of the unitary patent could probably become tricky when they have their business on both sides of the Channel. | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Especially for these clients, I guess there will be some kind of uncertainty with decisions from the European Court of Justice that would apply on the continent but not in the UK. | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Of course this "leave" decision is of major importance. | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Is it a Kat-astroph? I don't think so. | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | First of all, English European patent attorneys will not become disqualified from the EEQ (although it could be an idea...). | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | More seriously, it means that democracy does exist. It's also a formidable chance for the continental Europe to hear this call and to build Europe on new grounds. | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | I am confident that the English will show once again their ability to invent and innovate all-out. | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | They are the masters of their fate, | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | They are the captain of their soul. | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | "One may or may not have shed a tear or two whilst reading this post. Having recently become enamored with IP in Europe, I am keen to see how Brexit pans out in relation to IP and indeed other laws like Data Protection and Immigration. I wonder though, did the IP community in UK (as a pressure group) actively campaign for 'remain'?" | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | "the people have spoken - that deserves some consideration. The content of British tabloids and media about EU does not. One reason for this disaster - and here I mean disaster for EU and UK alike, not just for IP professionals, Mr BBear - is the behavior of Brussels politicians, would have shown nothing but contempt for their constituents and for democracy. Another is the distorted picture of the EU construction that media and some national | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | politicians have given. Well done folks." | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/06/procedure-to-remove-board-of-appeal.html?showComment=1466782072133#c3295773228661213734 | Jun 24 20:51 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: Procedure to remove Board of Appeal member from office ends - after reports of attempts to nobble the Enlarged Board [ http://ur1.ca/pcuhk ] | Jun 24 20:51 | |
| schestowitz | " Quo-usque tandem! ' | Jun 24 20:51 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Dear BBear, | Jun 24 20:52 |
| schestowitz | You are either a tedious troll or a delusional UKIP-voter. Either way, we are not your most natural audience so please spare us. | Jun 24 20:52 |
| schestowitz | As it happens, I don't fear for the jobs or influence of IP practitioners (other vocations will likely be much worse affected). I am also absolutely sure that was not what lay behind the Kats' post - the letter was a genuine expression of sadness at the implications of a decision that has been made by a slender majority of the U.K. population, on an issue in respect of which the other 48% of the country (including, it would seem, the majority | Jun 24 20:52 |
| schestowitz | of IP professionals) strongly disagree. That is democracy, you say, but nonetheless it doesn't mean that we suddenly agree with the decision. | Jun 24 20:52 |
| schestowitz | As IP practitioners we are well aware of the difficulties with the European system, but most regard it as a price worth paying when compared to the other options. Sadly the 2-5+ year recession that you and the rest of the 52% have just inflicted on us all is the least of our worries. Let us hope that much worse does not follow. The prospects of immigration being cut (even if that was a valid objective in the first place) or inequality in | Jun 24 20:52 |
| schestowitz | society being righted, as a result of this decision, are minimal. The 52% have been sold a false hope. The better argument has lost. A terrible mistake has been made. | Jun 24 20:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:52 |
| schestowitz | "It is horrid to lose and anger for a while is understandable, of course, but the PM, as often, hit the right note this morning, accepting that a clear question had been given a clear answer and that we need to make the best of it. There are bigger issues than IP in the world, we must accept. It is no good complaining about the sixteen million fellow citizens who voted the 'wrong' way and it is foolish and condescending to suggest they are | Jun 24 20:52 |
| schestowitz | stupid or had not thought about it. That is what oligarchies do, and the root of the trouble is that the EU now looks like one of those. Europe, otherwise is wonderful." | Jun 24 20:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Mr Schalk, | Jun 24 20:52 |
| schestowitz | While agreeing in general, I'm not sure that a political elite has hijacked the processes. UKIP may have forced the issue onto Cameron, but at the end that was the people speaking and they have voted against the interests of what they perceive to be the elite. I would remain but the exit did not come from the 'elite' (sometimes dismissively and erroneously tarred as the 1%) but from the will of the left behind in Britain. That has been a | Jun 24 20:52 |
| schestowitz | consequence of ever increasing divisions in society. Effectively a peasants' revolt brought into the 21st century. | Jun 24 20:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:52 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/06/dear-europe.html?showComment=1466789951523#c1290077030800623439 | Jun 24 20:53 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: Dear Europe... [ http://ur1.ca/pcuhx ] | Jun 24 20:53 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Let's not be too hasty in assuming that this decision is writ in stone. Yes, it is the will of the people, but the people are entitled to change their mind. There is nothing undemocratic in asking again if the facts have changed. The people might well change their minds once it is clear that the Brexit campaign was built on misrepresentation and that the reality is different, and catastrophic. | Jun 24 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Nothing at all has been done that is irreversible. That comes only when UK files an Art 50 notification. So no hurry. Lobby conservative MPs NOW to switch to Labour, and lobby Labour to replace Corbyn to encourage that, and then there is every chance of a no confidence vote in the (inevitably) Johnson conservative government in October. A new government can credibly call a new referendum before Scottish independence, before the troubles in | Jun 24 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Northern Ireland restart, and before the recession turns to depression. | Jun 24 20:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:53 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/cheezburgrmania/status/746440088771399680 | Jun 24 21:31 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@cheezburgrmania: @schestowitz No businesses around here with anything to lose would 'vote to exit' their O365/Outlook (just being honest) | Jun 24 21:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/bjornballard/status/746444590065065984 | Jun 24 21:50 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@bjornballard: And the loss of Britain's voice within the EU will not help get the much needed reforms https://t.co/C3xNKJ6GMz | Jun 24 21:50 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Unless we manage to 'fix' European institutions and demonstrate their civility and integrity to the public, the EU will certainly collapse | Jun 24 21:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KristianHarstad/status/746446694565437441 | Jun 24 22:00 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@KristianHarstad: @schestowitz I didn't think it was horrible at all - I was glad | Jun 24 22:00 | |
| schestowitz | But you are far away from here, no? | Jun 24 22:00 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KristianHarstad/status/746448048079912960 | Jun 24 22:06 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@KristianHarstad: @schestowitz No, Roy, I'm in the UK. | Jun 24 22:06 | |
| schestowitz | Ah, OK, my bad... | Jun 24 22:06 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/746450504650268672 | Jun 24 22:13 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Sheikh_al_Touar: @schestowitz You'de better change the words "can lead" into "will lead" to disasters like #brexit ! ;) | Jun 24 22:13 | |
| schestowitz | Ah, nm, I rarely edit (i.e. delete) what I write in so-called 'social' media | Jun 24 22:13 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/746451538298740736 | Jun 24 22:18 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@AJimenez1988: We all know that cleaning up crufty code is easier than starting anew. Wait, what? https://t.co/3gkZS9mveF | Jun 24 22:18 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: "The EU is a mess but it is fixable. Breaking up the UK will be a bigger mess and it isn’t fixable." https://t.co/bXR1CWodCo #brexit #uk | Jun 24 22:18 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/cheezburgrmania/status/746455371007430656 | Jun 24 22:30 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@cheezburgrmania: @schestowitz regardless of the why/how, I have to think that English will be better off (long term) without that extra layer of govt | Jun 24 22:30 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/cheezburgrmania/status/746455684850425856 | Jun 24 22:32 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@cheezburgrmania: @schestowitz when you have a chance to peacefully take independence... don't you know we wanted it for our states in the US & still do | Jun 24 22:32 | |
| schestowitz | It's a single market arrangement, not an occupation by the EU | Jun 24 22:32 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/746455700298141696 | Jun 24 22:32 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Sheikh_al_Touar: @schestowitz It was more intended as a piece of reasoning rather then a request to change/edit your text. Keep writing the way you do! | Jun 24 22:33 | |
| schestowitz | I want to write more about the EPO, but need a break this week... from brexit | Jun 24 22:33 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AnarchistDalek/status/746459064402591746 | Jun 24 22:57 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@AnarchistDalek: Is this really even a "bug" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) https://t.co/GeTcOB8RYM | Jun 24 22:57 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: A Bug in Chrome Makes It Easy to Download Movies https://t.co/Xd3YpsDhfZ | Jun 24 22:57 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/746460152107307008 | Jun 24 22:57 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@jurasick: I may be a bit "occupied" and unavailable this weekend! :) https://t.co/l88Qo4ei1C | Jun 24 22:57 | |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/06/dear-europe.html?showComment=1466796889441#c1293264687683384145 | Jun 24 23:13 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: Dear Europe... | Jun 24 23:13 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 23:13 |
| schestowitz | I was hoping that the esteemed retired Tom Kat, Jeremy, might come out of retirement on this overwhelming occasion with something a bit more substantive than his brief posting that: | Jun 24 23:13 |
| schestowitz | "I would just like to associate myself wholeheartedly with my former blogging colleagues' sentiments. Well said! " | Jun 24 23:13 |
| schestowitz | We could use a bit more of his wisdom and erudition at this most interesting of times... | Jun 24 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Uncle Wiggily | Jun 24 23:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 23:13 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/StevePeers/status/746434366021210112 | Jun 24 23:16 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@StevePeers: @zoobab @je5perl How? The CJEU said explicitly that non-EU countries can't participate. | Jun 24 23:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/InteProperty/status/746438036175486977 | Jun 24 23:19 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@InteProperty: Apple Patents A Clever UI Trick For Using Your Phone With One Hand - https://t.co/4tH9MSaRAO (blog) https://t.co/e9hveagtjy | Jun 24 23:19 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> co.design | co.design | co.design | Jun 24 23:19 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.fastcodesign.com | Apple Patents A Clever UI Trick For Using Your Phone With One Hand | Co.Design | business + design | Jun 24 23:19 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/746467224509124610 | Jun 24 23:19 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Sheikh_al_Touar: @KrapulaPhD @Twpalovi @Wikinaut @IlDrugo_ @patentbuddy @DavidBrooke_IP https://t.co/i8oqER8EFz | Jun 24 23:19 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Let's create action group/s https://t.co/4Pn90dD5nj #ffii #techrights #april #eff etc. #upc #epo #swpats #europe | Jun 24 23:19 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/rbanffy/status/746472661883195396 | Jun 24 23:39 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@rbanffy: @jeffpearlman @donaldtrump @schestowitz "fuckmuppet" :-) | Jun 24 23:39 | |
| schestowitz | > I'm not generally prone to understatement but this time I might say that | Jun 24 23:48 |
| schestowitz | > the recent decision might not be in the UK's best interest. | Jun 24 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Agreed. | Jun 24 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Jun 24 23:48 | |
| schestowitz | > The Oulu region might be something to consider but for the language issue. | Jun 24 23:48 |
| schestowitz | What would it be like for EU citizen (Germany) to immigrate there with non-EU spouse? | Jun 24 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/06/dear-europe.html?showComment=1466807730810#c7746963242778368349 | Jun 25 05:06 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: Dear Europe... [ http://ur1.ca/pcxr2 ] | Jun 25 05:06 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 25 05:06 |
| schestowitz | How dare you apologise for the result of a democratic referendum. You have no right to talk on behalf of the IP community. It is such attitudes over previous weeks which have probably swung the result the way it has gone. Scaremongering establishment superiority. | Jun 25 05:06 |
| schestowitz | The UK has not voted to start an immoral war, to elect a fascist government, to instigate a policy of social cleansing, or to cut off the ears of all bunny rabbits. The have voted to leave a political union with an ideology they do not agree with. They have voted against uncontrolled, un-prepared-for, mass immigration. | Jun 25 05:06 |
| schestowitz | The British are not racists or xenophobes; immigrants are accepted into the community. But where was the EU when houses, schools and hospitals were needed for the newcomers to the UK? Nowhere. Instead, those communities have suffered, ignored by the establishment. It could have been so different. The EU has failed itself. | Jun 25 05:06 |
| schestowitz | I voted to remain in the EU, but I accept the will of the majority. You do not apologise for me. | Jun 25 05:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 25 05:06 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Ramangaz/status/746555087917551616 | Jun 25 05:06 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Ramangaz: #DNC - You paying attention? Did you not see what happened in Britain? https://t.co/BWN7Z6kI48 | Jun 25 05:06 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: 68% percent unhappy with the perceived 2-way option they can vote for in the United States https://t.co/mfkNfHjnAk | Jun 25 05:06 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 25 05:07 |
| schestowitz | I have just sent my comment on the main post and have now read though the comments. I notice that BBear has expressed a related view and has been slammed as a troll. | Jun 25 05:07 |
| schestowitz | My suggestion to the critics of BBear: take a good look in the mirror, then travel around Europe and see how the many millions worse off than yourselves live. The plebs will always rebel against the elite, such as you see yourselves. | Jun 25 05:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 25 05:07 |
| schestowitz | > Roy, | Jun 25 05:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 25 05:20 |
| schestowitz | > This morning's status report just got in. | Jun 25 05:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 25 05:20 |
| schestowitz | > At least the author was able to get out of his hangover. I'm going back | Jun 25 05:20 |
| schestowitz | > to bed. | Jun 25 05:20 |
| schestowitz | In this context, SUEPO calls for Staff in Munich to demonstrate for the 20th me under Mr. ba stelli: | Jun 25 06:19 |
| schestowitz | “Staff of the EPO do not “deserve” any further oppressive reforms: Demonstra on in front of the Isar building on 29 June, 12.30h. More informa on can be | Jun 25 06:19 |
| schestowitz | found in this flier. | Jun 25 06:19 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/akwala/status/746559160989454337 | Jun 25 06:21 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@akwala: From @ProPublica: https://t.co/3xqwusaUKP https://t.co/QHaUsBVpaC | Jun 25 06:21 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.propublica.org | Machine Bias: There’s Software Used Across the Country to Predict Future Criminals. And it’s Biased Against Blacks. - ProPublica | Jun 25 06:21 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Proprietary Algorithms Are Being Used To Enhance Criminal Sentences And Preventing Defendants From Challenging Them https://t.co/Jsuj9zY0YC | Jun 25 06:21 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/StevePeers/status/746573850930974720 | Jun 25 06:21 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@StevePeers: @schestowitz UPC can go ahead without the UK. Simply move one part of the court. | Jun 25 06:21 | |
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| MinceR | >The UK has not voted [...] to elect a fascist government, | Jun 25 18:35 |
| MinceR | [citation needed] | Jun 25 18:35 |
| MinceR | >The British are not racists or xenophobes | Jun 25 18:35 |
| MinceR | [citation needed] | Jun 25 18:36 |
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| liberty_box | http://fossforce.com/2016/06/techright-roy-schestowitz-free-tech/#comments | Jun 25 23:02 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-fossforce.com | Techright's Roy Schestowitz on All Things Free Tech | FOSS Force | Jun 25 23:02 | |
| liberty_box | "Schestowitz is the worst kind of free software advocate, a zealot!" | Jun 25 23:03 |
| liberty_box | "That doesn’t mean he’s wrong. | Jun 25 23:03 |
| liberty_box | He’s right about a lot of stuff." | Jun 25 23:03 |
| liberty_box | Same things they say about RMS | Jun 25 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/mellenoweth/status/744440223946391552 | Jun 19 13:09 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@mellenoweth: @schestowitz really? More than eg droning innocents, putting troops into countries not declared war on, CIA funding Bin Laden against USSR? | Jun 19 13:09 | |
| schestowitz | Not my words | Jun 19 13:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/744440626368765952 | Jun 19 13:10 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Metztli_IT: Let's not forget that Judaism, Islam, & Christianity, derive from a common misogynist & homophobic patriarchal root: https://t.co/gY25Aod1fk | Jun 19 13:10 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: "Failing to call Islamic terror by its name breeds more violence" https://t.co/3JEtPIRiAI | Jun 19 13:10 | |
| schestowitz | Some exercise the prejudice more than others | Jun 19 13:10 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/744443529452261376 | Jun 19 13:11 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-No status found with that ID. | Jun 19 13:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/SeaH2ONymph/status/744444016293515265 | Jun 19 13:11 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@SeaH2ONymph: Morgan Stanley: 85 cents of every new dollar in online advertising went to Google or Facebook in early 2016 https://t.co/vS9mLKTaBE | Jun 19 13:11 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: “media and communications are going through services that are controlled by profit-driven corporations.” https://t.co/Cd8Ym9GvnM | Jun 19 13:11 | |
| schestowitz | "Late to the game: 'probably bad' if all media/comms going through services controlled by profit-driven corporations" | Jun 19 13:11 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/passcod/status/744445046871580672 | Jun 19 13:12 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@passcod: Just what I was thinking about. Great news! https://t.co/HJbgzjcsNT | Jun 19 13:12 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: It’s Official: #VLC 3.0 Will Get #Chromecast Support https://t.co/19s35sNY5f my media player of choice these days | Jun 19 13:12 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/mellenoweth/status/744503133506777088 | Jun 19 13:13 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@mellenoweth: @schestowitz sorry! Was agreeing/supporting/commenting article not you! but see how reads otherwise! | Jun 19 13:13 | |
| schestowitz | My rants from around 1am about PCworld are worth coverage, I think, I can provide more info | Jun 19 13:18 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/744511057532641280 | Jun 19 13:54 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Metztli_IT: Accepting premises of ANY of them as 'truth' taints life of individual —vice remains latent & turn fanatical anytime https://t.co/vPQawbKnOu | Jun 19 13:54 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: @Metztli_IT Some exercise the prejudice more than others | Jun 19 13:54 | |
| schestowitz | My rants from around 1am about PCworld are worth coverage, I think, I can provide more info | Jun 19 13:54 |
| schestowitz | "You want me to update that story? It's from 2 years ago :)" | Jun 19 13:54 |
| schestowitz | maybe new article | Jun 19 13:54 |
| schestowitz | "Ok :) Will have to get home first, I'm in a short 3-day holiday right now." | Jun 19 14:18 |
| schestowitz | > Do you think Brits will vote to exit the. E.U.? | Jun 19 18:09 |
| schestowitz | No. | Jun 19 18:09 |
| schestowitz | > If they do, will it be a positive or negative for the economy. But if it would be a negative, why would they even consider withdrawing? | Jun 19 18:09 |
| schestowitz | I think there's lots of self interest here, partly the banks (they dislike EU regulation) and mostly the nationalist parties. People will (hopefully) grasp this before Thursday and vote with their brain, not with their heart (or flag). | Jun 19 18:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/744556274252144640 https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/744551161693339652 | Jun 19 18:13 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: @jwildeboer git commit hook that triggers Hoedown converter, then being pushed to a directory served by nginx or any webserver. | Jun 19 18:13 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: @jwildeboer If you understand french: https://t.co/07upsXPqAS | Jun 19 18:13 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> linuxfr.org | FsPages : un publicateur de pages statiques pour Gitlab - LinuxFr.org | Jun 19 18:13 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7512419 | Jun 19 18:35 |
| schestowitz | "because one would argue with what is bad ui and what is good ui, that’s how holywars start, not experiments" | Jun 19 18:35 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 30 days in a terminal: Day 0 — The adventure begins http://www.networkworld.com/article/3083268/linux/30-days-in-a-terminal-day-0-the-adventure-begins.html #gnu #linux | Jun 19 18:35 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.networkworld.com | 30 days in a terminal: Day 0 — The adventure begins | Network World | Jun 19 18:35 | |
| schestowitz | "There were lots of people at Libreplanet that live in virtual consoles. Lunduke? Let’s just say that I don’t expect success." | Jun 19 18:35 |
| schestowitz | He has become better in recent years, less provocative | Jun 19 18:35 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7515001 | Jun 19 18:35 |
| schestowitz | "Ruby can cause headache." | Jun 19 18:35 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 20 Most Important Programming Languages In The World http://fossbytes.com/20-most-important-programming-languages-of-the-world/ 'important' | Jun 19 18:36 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> fossbytes.com | 20 Most Important Programming Languages In The World | Jun 19 18:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7512006 | Jun 19 18:36 |
| schestowitz | "The author still thinks of Windows and Microsoft Word as a private place, but it’s obvious that Microsoft is watching every keystroke and analyzing every sentence." | Jun 19 18:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Why #LinkedIn Will Make You Hate #Microsoft #Word http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/17/opinion/why-linkedin-will-make-you-hate-microsoft-word.html Article neglects to mention #LibreOffice | Jun 19 18:36 | |
| schestowitz | Because terrorism | Jun 19 18:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times | Jun 19 18:36 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7515190 | Jun 19 18:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Well, based on a lot of blog posts from #randa #kde has evolved fast this past week. Lots of improvements in many areas inc. applications. | Jun 19 18:36 | |
| schestowitz | "Can’t wait to see progress on mobile" | Jun 19 18:36 |
| schestowitz | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11929959 | Jun 19 18:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:37 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-news.ycombinator.com | Reddit censorship | Hacker News | Jun 19 18:37 | |
| schestowitz | Shadowbans aren't meant for censorship. It's an artifact of old Reddit design for spammers that hasn't been replaced yet. (I know the CEO mentioned that was on the agenda, hence the improved suspension option) | Jun 19 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Hacker News does shadowbans too which I am not happy about, but that's another story. | Jun 19 18:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:38 |
| schestowitz | > Hacker News does shadowbans too which I am not happy about, but that's another story. | Jun 19 18:38 |
| schestowitz | We almost never do that anymore except in cases of spammers or new accounts that appear to be trolling, i.e. the cases where telling people you banned them tends to be problematic. Apart from those, we almost always post a comment in the thread saying that we banned the account. | Jun 19 18:38 |
| schestowitz | https://hn.algolia.com/?query=by:dang%20banned%20this%20acco... | Jun 19 18:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:38 |
| schestowitz | " I have noticed those comments recently and they are much of an improvement. :) " | Jun 19 18:38 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-hn.algolia.com | HN Search powered by Algolia | Jun 19 18:38 | |
| schestowitz | " I don't see anything that I would describe as "spamming" in that account's history. I can't say what the feature was meant for, but we can see how it's been used. " | Jun 19 18:38 |
| schestowitz | " If you mean the overview screenshot in the article, keep in mind that there is no timestamp on that screenshot. It's possible that the submissions by that user between when the screenshot was taken and the shadowbox may be more questionable. " | Jun 19 18:38 |
| schestowitz | " They changes their tactics now https://voat.co/v/MeanwhileOnReddit/comments/1083516 " | Jun 19 18:38 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-voat.co | Reddit admins quietly update a 16 day old changelog post: you are now tracked even if logged out, but it's for your own good | MeanwhileOnReddit | Jun 19 18:38 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:39 |
| schestowitz | This is from 2015. Reddit removed their shadowbans for regular users (still enabled for spammers, I think) [1]. | Jun 19 18:39 |
| schestowitz | And, by the way, calling out censorship because of 1 shadowban when there's even a subreddit to know if you're shadowbanned (https://www.reddit.com/r/ShadowBan/, appears when you search shadowban reddit) is too much of a stretch, I think. | Jun 19 18:39 |
| schestowitz | 1: https://techcrunch.com/2015/11/11/reddit-account-suspensions... | Jun 19 18:39 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | shadow ban admins mods hell | Jun 19 18:39 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:39 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techcrunch.com | Reddit Replaces Its Confusing Shadowban System With Account Suspensions | TechCrunch | Jun 19 18:39 | |
| schestowitz | " I don't know anything about shadowbans, much less changes in policies about them. I only submitted the link because I thought it was an interesting read. " | Jun 19 18:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Free speech is a concept of government. Reddit is a for-proft corporation. It's not censorship, it's a business refining its model. | Jun 19 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Joke's on you that you thought reddit was anything but. | Jun 19 18:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:39 |
| schestowitz | The joke is on me, I guess. I've never understood how the line is drawn. Freedom of speech and religion are both in amendment one. Free speech is a right, but one can, evidently, open a website and suppress any opinion one chooses. Freedom of religion is a right, but one cannot use religious beliefs to deny gay people their rights. [1] That seems like a double standard to me and I've yet to find a way to reconcile it. | Jun 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | edit: grammar, edit2: supporting story | Jun 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | [1] http://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-orders-colorado-bakery-cater-... | Jun 19 18:40 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes- ( status 404 @ http://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-orders-colorado-bakery-cater- ) | Jun 19 18:40 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | Freedom of speech protects you from government prosecution, with certain limitations like yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater, etc. It doesn't mean that others (e.g. Reddit) have to give you a platform for your speech. | Jun 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | Freedom of religion won't let you practice something that impinges upon the rights of others or violates a law. | Jun 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | ' | Jun 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | " While I 100% agree they aren't doing anything illegal, it's still a shady business practice. ' | Jun 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | If someone was censoring comments not kind to the pharma industry on that post, you would think they would have also removed the comment that starts | Jun 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | "... horrible horrible medication. don't take it." | Jun 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | " Reddit had shadow bans way before Conde Nast. This article acts like it's blown up this huge conspiracy, but only uncovered something that is common knowledge. It has all the conspiratorial fervor of the most witch hunt-y Reddit threads—and it's not a good look. " | Jun 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | " I have stopped going on reddit. There is an obvious agenda trying to be pushed in the guise of a purely user driven content aggregator. " | Jun 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:41 |
| schestowitz | Shadow banning _is_ censorship. It causes intellectual decline of a site because over time it reduces the audience to a synchronized minimum of wanted opinions like a communistic party. | Jun 19 18:41 |
| schestowitz | The only answer for such a policy is boycott, and to convince also other visitors by verbal propaganda to boycott. There are so many sites in the Internet. We actually don't depend on Reddit and the like. | Jun 19 18:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:41 |
| schestowitz | " Everyone has an agenda. techrights.org has an agenda. Hacker news has an agenda (You think you can post whatever you want here and not get banned?). " | Jun 19 18:41 |
| schestowitz | " But most are clear about them, not lying. Also, let's not forget when they called themselves a bastion of free speech, where people can come to share ideas. " | Jun 19 18:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:42 |
| schestowitz | FWIW the "others don't see my posts, only I do" is called "shadow-banning" or "stealth banning": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_banning | Jun 19 18:42 |
| schestowitz | The practice involves making a user's contributions invisible to all other users, but visible to themselves, making them less likely to create new accounts to add the same material. | Jun 19 18:42 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-en.wikipedia.org | Stealth banning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Jun 19 18:42 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:42 |
| schestowitz | " Ironic how this will be flagged to shit and seen by only a few. " | Jun 19 18:42 |
| schestowitz | personal attacks from camp fedora: | Jun 19 18:45 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4omzaj/canonicals_and_red_hats_shameful_war_against_one/ | Jun 19 18:45 |
| schestowitz | "" | Jun 19 18:45 |
| schestowitz | So few employees from both camps are talking shit and it's suddenly a big Red Hat vs. Canonical war? | Jun 19 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Also the writer has difficulties keeping his ideological views at check making me question his objectivity when it comes to reporting. | Jun 19 18:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:45 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | Canonical’s and Red Hat’s Shameful War Against One Another… and Against the Already-Marginalised Linux Media : linux | Jun 19 18:45 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Do note that he's factually incorrect over my employment. I do not and have never worked for Red Hat in Fedora or any other capacity. | Jun 19 18:45 |
| schestowitz | And after I pointed this out to him he just put a strike through "Red Hat" even though the rest of his rant made no sense then and it still calls me a Fedora employee... | Jun 19 18:45 |
| schestowitz | So at this point I can only state he's printing deliberate falsehood willfully... unless he actually does go and fix things in a bit. | Jun 19 18:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:45 |
| schestowitz | "It's techrights.org, that should be a given" | Jun 19 18:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Its a shame to read something like that. Why do people always seeing hate, others being "pissed of" and declaring war of two parties where no such thing happened. | Jun 19 18:46 |
| schestowitz | From my point of view following happened. | Jun 19 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Canonical employees asking for help on how to package snap on different distros. In case of Suse the canonical employee was hinted to the official documentation like every other user would be directed. https://www.reddit.com/r/openSUSE/comments/4o2pdj/universal_snap_packages_launch_on_multiple_linux/d49ae89 | Jun 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | In case of Debian the guy working on it was a canonical employee | Jun 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | In case of Arch it was a kind arch user helping an canonical employee to get this thing up to AUR https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4ocwft/a_third_of_a_libreoffice_snap_lo_snap_size/d4blsss https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4ocwft/a_third_of_a_libreoffice_snap_lo_snap_size/d4bma34 | Jun 19 18:47 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | rbrownsuse comments on Universal “snap” packages launch on multiple Linux distros - currently being validated on openSUSE? | Jun 19 18:47 | |
| schestowitz | In case of Fedora Michael Hall from Canonical ask for help how to build this on Fedora COPR https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4o0t6e/libreoffice_520_beta2_as_a_snap_package/d497nkg | Jun 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | and so on | Jun 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | In every case a canonical employee was asking how to build their snap on different distros in their PPA equivalent user repository (that every one can publish packages) and their where guided to official documentation. | Jun 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | After that canonical released this http://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/06/14/universal-snap-packages-launch-on-multiple-linux-distros/ | Jun 19 18:47 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | blackout24 comments on A third of a LibreOffice snap – LO snap size reduced to 287mb | Jun 19 18:47 | |
| schestowitz | Developers from multiple Linux distributions and companies today announced collaboration on the “snap” ... This community is working at snapcraft.io to provide a single publication mechanism for any software in any Linux environment. | Jun 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | If you ask me, hints to the official documentation on how to build software on suse, fedore ... etc. is not an announcement of collaboration. | Jun 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | After that we saw various tech articles implying that the linux community and most mayor linux distributions found together to pull on one string – named snap – to solve the "problem". If you read comments on those articles readers/users are happily cheering to canonical that their bring together all mayor linux distribution to join forces and all happily working together on snap. | Jun 19 18:47 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | blackout24 comments on A third of a LibreOffice snap – LO snap size reduced to 287mb | Jun 19 18:47 | |
| schestowitz | The truth is, non of this ever happened. Wondering whats happening James Hogarth – a Proven Packager for Fedora, not an employee of Fedora nor RH – is reaching out to the journalist that copy pasted the canonical press release without investigating if the claim from canonical is true | Jun 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Developers from multiple Linux distributions and companies today announced collaboration on the “snap” ... This community is working at snapcraft.io to provide a single publication mechanism for any software in any Linux environment. | Jun 19 18:47 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | mhall119 comments on LibreOffice 5.2.0 beta2 as a snap package | Jun 19 18:47 | |
| schestowitz | and at least implying in their articles that exactly this happened. Not a huge amount of journalists replied. On of them Jon Brodkin – from arstechnica.com – was not very gallantly saying | Jun 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Linux nerds with frothing hatred of Ubuntu are always good for a few laughs | Jun 19 18:47 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-insights.ubuntu.com | Universal “snap” packages launch on multiple Linux distros | Ubuntu Insights | Jun 19 18:47 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jbrodkin/status/743867165758095360 | Jun 19 18:47 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@jbrodkin: Linux nerds with frothing hatred of Ubuntu are always good for a few laughs | Jun 19 18:47 | |
| schestowitz | that's the story so far i was seeing them. And from this point of view, i cannot see anyone being pissed of – just people claiming every one is pissed of, a ubuntu hater or whatever. | Jun 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | "Oh really? Did you even hang around this sub in the past 3 days? I personally saw a lot of Ubuntu hate but whatever, I'll just mention what I felt on my own skin. I was completely bashed by a few shills just for stating they were blowing the size difference of the original LO snap in comparison with appimage and flatpak completely out of proportion. Right on the following day a new regular sized snap came out and all the pitchforks were | Jun 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | thrown away. And I have nothing to do with Canonical or Ubuntu but sure was treated as if I were one of their PRs just for stating a slightly pro-Snap opinion... Or should I dare say, for setting this particular fact straight? " | Jun 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Go search my name, i guess i am on every single one of them. | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Yes, i don't know why people react like that. I mean its natural to say "hey the snap is 7 times bigger.. whats going on, i don't want that" and now that the snap is only two times bigger than the Flatpak things settled a bit. But i don't know why people outrage by every single bit. | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | I am really confused at how many people react on certain topics. I really cannot believe there are really so many "Ubuntu/RH-Fanboys" out there. In reality – i think – there are just normal people having opinions an certain "products" may it be snap or Flatpak. They are unrelated to each faction and just saying "hey i like X on product Y" and now he is a "Product Y - Fanboy" and vice versa the other way around. People just making other | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | people to fanboys or haters just because they have a different opinion. | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Is it not possible to like or dislike certain points of a "product" without beeing a fanboy or hater? Can i not dislike snap for having no (easy) way of running my own repository/store without beeing a Ubuntu hater? Can i not like Flatpak for achieving this very easily without being a RH-Fanboy? Can i not dislike that Canonical at least is somewhat dishonest about who is collaborating with them without being a Canonical hater? | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | People just making other people to fanboys or haters just because their have a different opinion. | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Yes I think that's mostly how it works. | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | But what annoys me above else in the so-called "Linux community", whatever that might be, is how quickly some people jump the gun to conclusions regarding the motivation behind certain decisions, without considering other possibilities. I mean, sometimes people do stupid things, sometimes they are careless, sometimes they are incompetent, sometimes they make mistakes, such is life. The criticism certainly is expected and deserved, but why | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | often carry with that criticism a veil of conspiracy and suspicion implying there must be an evil motivation behind it? | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Is it not possible to like or dislike certain points of a "product" without beeing a fanboy or hater? Can i not dislike snap for having no (easy) way of running my own repository/store without beeing a Ubuntu hater? Can i not like Flatpak for achieving this very easily without being a RH-Fanboy? Can i not dislike that Canonical at least is somewhat dishonest about who is collaborating with them without being a Canonical hater? | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | This relates a bit with what I just wrote. I think those are perfectly valid points. My opinion is that I believe the current limitations of Snap shall be tackled in due time, if it really must become the standard for binary compatibility across distros, otherwise it will naturally fail to receive mass adoption. After all, it's not the only solution around and flatpak is coming along fine. My point being that during the discussions, some | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | commentators always paint the situation as if Snap is only ever going to work without possibly running an external repository (just the way they assumed the snaps would ever be massively oversized), so therefore this must be an evil control scheme devised by Canonical. | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Sure the criticism is valid, because in my opinion they rushed this announcement in a time when snapd is far from mature or documented for that matter, and were simply careless by stating a developer involvement which they perhaps mistakenly expect will happen, but hadn't yet been confirmed at all. Perhaps they were confident in assuming everybody would immediately jump on board of the wagon because they haven't bothered to check how flatpak | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | is doing. Or perhaps I'm being naive. But at least I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt. Take a look at this thread on /r/ubuntu as an example.. | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | We get a lot of flak for some pretty inane things. We also get well-warranted critique for things which we probably should have thought through better. Some decisions (Amazon lens) genuinely surprised us internally how much poor feeling there was. It doesn't matter how many times you say "you can switch it off" or "you're using it wrong". We were never going to win that one without fixing/removing it. | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Even Canonical insiders genuinely thought implementing the Amazon lens would be a good idea and were surprised about how badly it was received. It was a poor implementation for sure, being active by default, and the criticism was deserved, but where was the benefit of the doubt regarding the motivation behind the feature itself? There was none! The consensus of the "community" jumped the gun declaring Canonical was spying on its users and | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | selling their private data to Amazon - there was hardly any discussion regarding the usefulness of the feature itself. And so the outrage spread so hard they eventually had to disable it completely not because it sucked - maybe it did - but because it had been permanently labeled as an evil spying plot against users. | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | "Word! I wonder why this conversation is working so well compared to the other "threads/posts". Maybe its due to the fact that this Post is not that popular and therefor not that useful for those attention seeking people that love to outcry in public? I can only hope this settles a bit and the developers – the people actually working instead of the ones only complaining and whining – can go in with their work to come up with the best | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | solution they can deliver :)" | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Another day, another hysterical holier-than-thou screed from Techrights. | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | The phrase "divorced from reality" usually applies to these outbursts. | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | " As a reminder for those who are not paying close enough attention, Flatpak is loosely connected to Systemd, probably Red Hat’s most controversial ‘lock-in’ at the moment. On the other hand, Canonical is trying to push its own ‘standards’, which it can probably do given its dominant position on the desktop (and almost on the server as well)." | Jun 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | ROFL, look at all the downvotes flying. The RH paid shills lurking around sure took offense at this piece, because their masks fell right into the ground. They cannot hide anymore behind their angelic farce of the good guys of opensource. | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | The guy definitely put the facts completely straight though. Canonical tried to sell its kool-aid by releasing a pompous press announcement of Snaps alledgedly being disseminated everywhere, but with just the right amount of indefinition and vagueness so that RH shills would come along and start blowing the whole thing apart everywhere, sometimes by just straight making up bullshit. Fell right into the trap. Not only is bad publicity still | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | publicity, but also RH's PR sham is now out in the open for all to see - Twitter, Reddit, G+, mailing lists, tech journalists, EVERYWHERE. The conspiracy is real. Meanwhile, what's that flatpak thing again? | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | "|What conspiracy?" | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | "systemd of course!" | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Funny, Canonical paid Debian developers to vote for Upstart and against systemd and now Canonical pays Zygmunt Krynicki (zyga) to create packages of Snap for other distributions and create the impression of massive cross-distribution collaboration and yet it is constantly claimed that Red Hat needs to pay Debian members to vote for systemd or that the "We don't like Canonical's asymmetric CLA licensing" crowd among the FOSS movement just has | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | that opinion because it's paid by Red Hat. | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | The conspiracy is real. | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Not sure if you made a joke or you're actually that wacko. | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | "Having employees isn't exactly a conspiracy" | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Having employees isn't exactly a conspiracy | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Why are you replying me? I never wrote about a conspiracy. That Debian developers on Canonical's payroll voted in favor of Canonical technologies is not a conspiracy. It's fact. | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | "won't be long before the NSA bitch's redhat's PR department are in here in force to downvote this to hell." | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | "They already were, look at how this post is being completely ignored after 10 hours and compare it with the visibility of the one from yesterday linking to the opinion of the AdamW Fedora guy. I seriously thought I would find extensive discussion on this one too but here we are..." | Jun 19 18:49 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxActionShow/comments/4olgly/canonicals_and_red_hats_shameful_war_against_one/ | Jun 19 18:50 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | Canonical’s and Red Hat’s Shameful War Against One Another… and Against the Already-Marginalised Linux Media : LinuxActionShow | Jun 19 18:50 | |
| schestowitz | "The battle between flatpak and snaps is good for us users." | Jun 19 18:50 |
| schestowitz | "When technical merits are the ones deciding the winner, sure, not petty politics." | Jun 19 18:50 |
| schestowitz | "Competition is all of the above.just because it is open source doesn't mean it has to be all kumbaya." | Jun 19 18:50 |
| schestowitz | "Ubuntu is using systemd and so are most distros. Where's the lockout?" | Jun 19 18:51 |
| schestowitz | https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/4omvvv/canonicals_and_red_hats_shameful_war_against_one/ | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | This article is some weird tinfoil hat bullshit. | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | I write for Ars Technica and for opensource.com. Ars does not have a problem with me writing the article there making it abundantly clear that I'm an Ubuntu guy. Opensource.com - which is a red hat owned and operated initiative - tries very hard to be distro agnostic and frequently asks me to remove references to ANY distribution, specifically INCLUDING red hat, fedora, and CentOS. They do not, however, have any kind of "blacklist" about it, | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | don't try to get me to edit terminal sessions to make it less obvious that I'm using Ubuntu, don't complain about me answering commenters that I personally prefer Ubuntu, etc. | Jun 19 18:52 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reddit.com | Canonical’s and Red Hat’s Shameful War Against One Another… and Against the Already-Marginalised Linux Media : Ubuntu | Jun 19 18:52 | |
| schestowitz | I have fewer specific things to say about Canonical's press interaction, because frankly they just kinda don't have any. Closest analogy to opensource.com for them is omgubuntu, and it's a third party fan blog that they've just given a little help to. I do interact with Canonical people reasonably frequently at conventions though, and I've certainly never gotten the sense that anyone wasn't "pure enough" or whatever. | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | I think this blog I've never heard of just has a bug up its ass frankly. I'd welcome any specific examples of the kind of behavior it's alleging. | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | And for all you people arguing about "which" of the two organizations is "the good guy" and which is "the bully" - that's a false dichotomy. They're both good. | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | First of all, they both produce one hell of a lot of GPL code. Nobody says you have to like any of it in particular. Maybe you think Unity sucks. But it's open, and it's really not Canonical's fault if other distros don't want to consume it. Ditto Mir, Upstart, and pretty much any other project you personally don't like or want to use. Could canonical do a better job of actively pushing any of the above upstream? Possibly - but what's " | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | upstream" in this case? Debian? What if Debian, which has its own strong and very different goals, doesn't actually want it? Red hat, SUSE, et al aren't "upstream" of Canonical. | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Meanwhile Ubuntu arguably made more progress in getting Linux adopted on the desktop than the rest of the community combined, and it's made tremendous strides in cloud deployment as well. Canonical isn't even fucking profitable, largely because Shuttleworth hasn't made monetizing it a big priority. Meanwhile they guarantee LTS release for five years, release new LTS every two years accurate to the month, and even name the versions after the | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | year and month, making it incredibly easy to plan around upgrade cycles. If this is an evil empire, fucking sign me up for a stormtrooper outfit, because I'm on board. | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Red hat does a better job of getting the broader community involved in its projects. No matter what distro you use, you're a red hat user in a lot of ways. Especially KVM, holy shit. Now personally I'm really not a fan of red hat distributions. But holy shit am i ever a fan of red hat the organization. Red hat puts a lot more focus on direct monetization than canonical does, but they turn around and dump giant chunks of that money into | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | directly producing truly amazing core technologies that are fully GPL and push out to every distro in the world. Again, if this is evil, let me start practicing my maniacal cackling, because it's some"evil" I can really get behind. | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Your comment sums it up perfectly. Both Canonical and RH actively do something for F/OSS in their own way, yet are under constant suspicion and conspiracy theories for alledgedly wanting to dominate the Linux landscape for themselves. Because Canonical tends to diverge more in their approach and goals from the community at large, it is often the most targeted by the conspiracy theorists. | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Regardless of that, perhaps the vocal ones should instead pour their money and development effort doing something to bring their vision to reality, rather than spend time attacking with pitchforks the work of others. | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Meanwhile they guarantee LTS release for five years, release new LTS every two years accurate to the month, and even name the versions after the year and month, making it incredibly easy to plan around upgrade cycles. | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Not to mention infrastructure and development support for a variety of derivatives with different desktop environments! | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | "I can confirm that. I've written one article for opensource.com and it was very Ubuntu specific. The only reason I don't have more articles there is because I haven't written them, it's certainly not from a lack of them asking me for more." | Jun 19 18:53 |
| schestowitz | "techrights.org is the Boycott Novell guy btw, so take everything there with a grain of salt the size of Montana." | Jun 19 18:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:53 |
| schestowitz | You know, I think a lot of this is because Linux users love Linux, and, being people, have their own ways about how they think Linux should be. They want to see "their side" win, that's just human nature. Media guys always suffer attacks from any crowd that disagrees with them, its lame and stupid but its not tech specific. Certain subs dislike for Phoronix was complete bullshit though, but I think that ban was removed a while ago. But again, | Jun 19 18:53 |
| schestowitz | that's just people being the flawed creatures they are. | Jun 19 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Yes, RedHat and Canonical occasionally try to use their money to buy an advantage, sometimes it works a bit, sometimes not, rarely it works completely or dramatically. | Jun 19 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Canonical wasn't very clear, maybe deliberately or not with snaps on other distros, and it shouldn't have a hard coded server, but that can be fixed later and I doubt Canonical will fight that (snaps weren't even originally designed as cross-distro), not if they want snaps to win. If nothing else, Canonical has brought the problem of cross-distro packaging back into the mainstream so whatever standard ends up winning it will have been a good | Jun 19 18:53 |
| schestowitz | thing. | Jun 19 18:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:54 |
| schestowitz | "What an idiot. Phoronix is blogspam. What an "impartial" journalist who doesn't even bother to explain the merits of blacklisting Phoronix in the first place." | Jun 19 18:54 |
| schestowitz | "It isn't. I skim through its articles every morning/lunch break." | Jun 19 18:54 |
| schestowitz | "And what does that prove? You might like to read blogspam, for all I know." | Jun 19 18:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:54 |
| schestowitz | It proves that some people such as you consider it to be blogspam, and some people such as me consider it not to be so. | Jun 19 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Ideally Reddit should have a feature to allow a user indicate that all links from a given domain should be hidden from his/her feed. Similar to Facebook. | Jun 19 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Just because you and some others think it is blogspam doesn't give you the right to have it censored for an entire community. | Jun 19 18:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:54 |
| schestowitz | "Hey, I never called it blogspam." | Jun 19 18:54 |
| schestowitz | "Before opening the link I knew it had to be about Snap and Flatpak packages." | Jun 19 18:54 |
| schestowitz | "The issue here is Red Hat who has always acted like an immature big brother bully taking higher ground and always taking credits for their so called upstream contributions. Sadly its RH alone who has no made Linux into their domain and with their non accommodating attitude when Gnome 3 was launched to their steam rollering of Pulse and now System D, so if anyone dares to be different, make them look bad, smear them via your touts." | Jun 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | I know this is an Ubuntu sub, but you're terribly confused. | Jun 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat is the one who interacts with the community, while Canonical is the one trying to always push its own agenda. Canonical's Snap vs. Red Hat's Flatpak is a prime example. | Jun 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Not only is Flatpak a community effort in the sense that it is part of the Fredesktop project, but it also has dozens of non-Red Hat contributors. | Jun 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Compare that to Snap, whose only contributors are Canonical employees, who all have to sign an agreement that allows Canonical to do whatever it wants with their code, which is totally contrary to open source ideals. | Jun 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | The developers of Flatpak have been going to developer conferences, getting feedback on how to improve, and trying to get support organically. | Jun 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Meanwhile, Canonical developers sent as-yet unapproved patches to other distros to add support for Snap, and then somehow used those patches as proof that Snap was getting widespread support. | Jun 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Canonical even sent out a misleading press release saying that other distros were on board with Snap (when they weren't, at all), which the mainstream media all erroneously reported without even mentioning Flatpak or Appimage. | Jun 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Instead of fostering competition, Canonical tried to kill it; because if the media says Snap is the future, then developers will just assume that it is and go with it, instead of looking up Flatpak or Appimage. | Jun 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Snap also has security issues that Flatpak does not, although this can be worked out in time. | Jun 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | And look at Canonical's track record of launching half-baked new products and then letting them rot away. Do you really want to put something so important as this in the hands of a company like that? | Jun 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Canonical's Snap vs. Red Hat's Flatpak is a prime example. | Jun 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | It's not a "vs". Let's please stop thinking that in order for one to be successful the others must fail. | Jun 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | The subject of the post, and this entire thread, is Flatpak vs. Snap. | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | What you're doing is akin to standing between two soldiers who are firing at each other and saying "can't you two just get along?". | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Of course that would be great, but the bullets are already in the air. | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Canonical knew full well what it was doing when it sent out a misleading press release saying that all major distros supported Snap without s single mention of Flatpak or Appimage. | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | It already is a vs. situation. The fight is for a universal standard that would be a no-hassle for developers. That can't happen if there are two universal standards. There can only be one true winner, and both Canonical and Red Hat know it. | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | The developers of Flatpak have been going to developer conferences, getting feedback on how to improve, and trying to get support organically. | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Sorry but click/snap developers have been attending lots of conferences and talking about this technology for years. | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Compare that to Snap, whose only contributors are Canonical employees, who all have to sign an agreement that allows Canonical to do whatever it wants with their code, which is totally contrary to open source ideals. | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Sorry but CLAs are common in plenty of open source projects. Point take on there not being enough Canonical contributors to snapd, most of the community effort is currently being done on the snaps themselves, not the core. | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Canonical developers sent as-yet unapproved patches to other distros to add support for Snap | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Of course, the entire point is to submit the work to other distros, how else would you do it? Wish the functionality into place? People kept flaming snaps for being ubuntu-specific, so they were made distro agnostic so other people could enjoy them and now that's bad? | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Not only is Flatpak a community effort in the sense that it is part of the Fredesktop project, but it also has dozens of non-Red Hat contributors. | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Plenty of OSS projects aren't part of freedesktop.org. | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | And look at Canonical's track record of launching half-baked new products and then letting them rot away. Do you really want to put something so important as this in the hands of a company like that? | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Hah come on dude, you've ignored all the things that Canonical has done that have succeeded. | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | "Yes Canonical's half baked products are being used by likes of AT&T and Tianhae2 so yes they are all doomed and of course the cloud servers using Canonical half baked products as well. Snap is an alternative and a very good effort in right direction and so is Flatpak. Btw when Canonical suggested Unity, Red Hat refused and went on their own with Gnome 3. So the trend is, I am Red Hat the big brother and rest of Linux do what I say and | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | nothing else. If you dare to be an individual or different, you are punished." | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | "Gnome works on lots of distros while Unity does not. RedHat is the nice guy here, Canonical is the bully" | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | "Can you link me to merge proposals or patches that have been rejected by Canonical to get Unity to work on other distros? " | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | "Oh really? That's the ultimate conclusion then? What about GNOME "bullying" users to force to adapt to a touch-oriented UI and removal of useful features? Why did Cinnamon and MATE rise to popularity? Such nice guys because they have a vision and they impose it on everybody else. How dare anybody else disagree and actually not want GNOME working on their distro? ..." | Jun 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | There are a lot of users who get a free operating system who do not like the design decisions of open source projects. Open source is the ability to take code and change it to fit your needs. Open source has always been about giving developers the freedom and choice. | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat does not use the default gnome interface. Install Centos 7, Red Hat modified the Gnome interface to be more like Gnome 2. Gnome programers have a large influence in decided the future of Gnome. Red Hat hires programers who have a large influence on the code they use. | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Many of the design decision are based on how to maintain the code. Every feature requires maintenance, and gnome has always had a small team for the size of the project. So certain decisions have been made by the Gnome project to make the code more easily maintainable. The "bulling" is Gnome saying we cannot maintain every feature or design, so we will choose to maintain those features or designs that are important to the Gnome project. | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | This is not different to Unity ether. | Jun 19 18:57 |
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| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Gnome did what Gnome considered best. I happen to like it. They have limmited resources. Mate and Cinnamon are wesome but I don't use them. | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Does Unity have any forks that work on non-Ubuntu? | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | I am one of the happy Gnome users. | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | ' | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Gnome did what Gnome considered best. | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | And Ubuntu did what Ubuntu considered best and others happen to like it, like many happen to dislike it. So...? | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | The whole point is why does that make Canonical a bully and Red Hat a nice guy? | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Does Unity have any forks that work on non-Ubuntu? | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't have any forks because: | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | It's itself a GNOME 3 fork. So if there were people like the Mint Cinnamon guys interested in doing their own thing, then it makes sense to fork from the original GNOME rather than from the fork of it? | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | It's another touch oriented DE that many didn't care about. If they wanted one, there was GNOME already. | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Yes Gnome works and breaks and they change without any consideration. So if you are on Arch or Gentoo, good luck. | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Also isn't Linux about choice, no one is stopping from working on Canonical projects just like Red Hat. I feel with Red Hat anyone who tries to be different or break away from their version of norm, its smear campaign, its FUD and then we have folks like this one who tells never ever use unsafe unpatched Ubuntu for server use or other, use tried tested Arch and other distros. Funny I don't ever see this kind of vitriolic from SUSE against | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Canonical and they too have a big stake in the Linux market. Take a look at this https://tim.siosm.fr/blog/2014/04/25/why-not-ubuntu-14.04-lts/ | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:57 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-tim.siosm.fr | Ubuntu 14.04 LTS: Why you should not use it, at all - Siosm's blog | Jun 19 18:57 | |
| schestowitz | Also isn't Linux about choice, | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | A common misconception. It's about developer freedom. | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | "Yes to all pf the above. Most RedHat projects worck cross distro while most of Canonical do not: Mir, Unity, Ubuntu One, Snap (works on other distros but with Canonical's proprietary server). Upstart worked even on RedHat but Systemd was better." | Jun 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Snap (works on other distros but with Canonical's proprietary server). | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | That's how it works now and probably how it will work on Ubuntu and derivatives in the future, but doesn't mean it will always work that way in other distributions. Not to mention it's already perfectly possible to install Snaps from wherever you want. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Mir | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Please tell me which other Linux distribution is targeting a convergence model, where the same OS runs on a variety of screen sizes and mobile devices, and actually partnering with OEMs to make it a reality? That's right, none. Which is why Ubuntu decided it would fit their objectives better to do their own thing, because their calendar and their goals were not aligned with the goals of the greater community regarding the development of | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Wayland. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Unity | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Canonical tried to collaborate in the early stages of GNOME 3 development and they refused any outside contributions. So it was either accept the Red Hat imposition (just like PulseAudio and SystemD) or try and do something else that fits their particular goals. It was hardly a Canonical exclusive: after GNOME 3 was introduced, we saw the appearance of Unity, Cinnamon, MATE, Budgie, Pantheon. So Canonical wasn't the only one thinking GNOME 3 | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | would not be what their users wanted and fork it to do their own thing, but GNOME devs sure assumed everybody wanted it the way they envisioned. The ironic about it is that, back in 2011, there were talks about the GNOME OS for tablets to justify the shift to the touch UI paradigm. Meanwhile, as of today, there are phones and touch ARM convertibles running Ubuntu Unity, and GNOME is still stuck imposing a touch oriented UI on traditional | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | desktops and laptops. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Upstart | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Yes SystemD was better, and apparently Canonical also agreed it was. So, there goes the anti-Canonical NIH argument... | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu One | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Again, which distro is chasing convergence between devices? Which distro then needs a built-in cloud syncing feature by default? If others shared the same goals, perhaps they could've got interested in Ubuntu One, but nobody really was, not even Ubuntu users, so it got axed. Hard to see how is that not wanting to support other distros when there was no interest from them at all. And taking into account the negativity regarding Unity until the | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | recent past (heavy, slow, unstable, etc), I'd say no one else cares about Unity either. So that should be a non-issue but apparently it's Canonical's fault that other distros think Unity sucks. | Jun 19 18:58 |
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| schestowitz | Please tell me which other Linux distribution is targeting a convergence model, where the same OS runs on a variety of screen sizes and mobile devices? | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | SailfishOS. It uses Wayland, btw. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | after GNOME 3 was introduced, we saw the appearance of Unity, Cinnamon, MATE, Budgie, Pantheon. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Strangely enough all but Unity found Gnome technologies to be so good, they decided to build on top of them. Budgie and Pantheon aren't even forks of Gnome like Cinnamon and Mate are. Budgie and Pantheon deeply integrate Gnome and merely expose another GUI. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Yes SystemD was better, and apparently Canonical also agreed it was. So, there goes the anti-Canonical NIH argument... | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Funny, they only came to that realization after their attempts to buy Debian votes failed and Debian decided to migrate to systemd anyway. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | SailfishOS. It uses Wayland, btw. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | I don't think Sailfish OS makes any attempt to become a desktop environment when connected to a larger screen. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Strangely enough all but Unity found Gnome technologies to be so good, they decided to build on top of them. Budgie and Pantheon aren't even forks of Gnome like Cinnamon and Mate are. Budgie and Pantheon deeply integrate Gnome and merely expose another GUI. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | So did Unity up through version 7. It's only with Unity 8 that we're making any significant break from GNOME (and even then it's not a full break, we it still uses many GNOME technologies) | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Funny, they only came to that realization after their attempts to buy Debian votes failed and Debian decided to migrate to systemd anyway. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | There was never any attempt to buy votes in Debian. Now you're just making up accusations. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | I don't think Sailfish OS makes any attempt to become a desktop environment when connected to a larger screen. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | The claim was that only Ubuntu runs "the same OS runs on a variety of screen sizes" and SailfishOS runs on smartphones and tablets – i.e. a variety of screen sizes. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | But hey, throw Tizen into the bag as well. It runs on almost anything from TVs to smart watches. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | So did Unity up through version 7. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | That's BS and you know it. Unity 7 uses the Nux toolkit and Compiz as window manager. Both totally unrelated to anything Gnome. Ubuntu ships a few Gnome tools but that's it. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Budgie and Pantheon OTOH are written in Gnome's Clutter toolkit usung Gnome's own programming language Vala and window management is done via Gnome's Mutter. | Jun 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | The claim was that only Ubuntu runs "the same OS runs on a variety of screen sizes" and SailfishOS runs on smartphones and tablets – i.e. a variety of screen sizes. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Ok, technically correct, but I don't think that's what most people mean when they use that phrase. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | But hey, throw Tizen into the bag as well. It runs on almost anything from TVs to smart watches. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | The OS layer does, yes, but is it the same GUI across all of those? I don't think it is. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | That's BS and you know it. Unity 7 uses the Nux toolkit and Compiz as window manager. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | There's far more to GNOME that Gtk and Mutter. But even still, Compiz was quite often used with GNOME 2 and Nux was only used for part of Unity 7, the rest being Gtk. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | I don't think that's what most people mean | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, right… | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Compiz was quite often used with GNOME 2 | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | And that makes it "deeply integrated Gnome technology"… riiiiight… | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Ok, technically correct, but I don't think that's what most people mean when they use that phrase. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Exactly. Thank you. Not only is not what I meant, it was used in conjunction with the reference to the convergence model (i.e. become a desktop environment when connected to a larger screen.) | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Please tell me which other Linux distribution is targeting a convergence model, where the same OS runs on a variety of screen sizes and mobile devices, and actually partnering with OEMs to make it a reality? That's right, none. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | I believe taking the whole phrase into account instead of just the middle snippet makes it abundantly clear that only Ubuntu applies. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | SailfishOS. It uses Wayland, btw. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Fair enough. I'm not going to further advance this point as I don't have any privileged information regarding the validity of technical reasons that drove Canonical to go with Mir if Wayland is theoretically suitable for the task, although the "greater community" seems to have agreed on the consensus that it's because Canonical is evil, is forcing cross-distro incompatibility and wants to lockdown GPU driver support. I just see it as | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | misaligned goals and calendars between Canonical and upstream Wayland development given the very specific convergence agenda that is not commonly shared by the community at large but maybe I'm just being naive. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Strangely enough all but Unity found Gnome technologies to be so good, they decided to build on top of them. Budgie and Pantheon aren't even forks of Gnome like Cinnamon and Mate are. Budgie and Pantheon deeply integrate Gnome and merely expose another GUI. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Oh c'mon, let's be honest, regardless of the quality of GNOME underlying technology, what other choice was there instead of following along what would sprout from GNOME development? Switching from GTK2 to Qt? Starting their own toolkit from scratch? And I really really do not think they find GNOME technologies to be that good as you make it seem, specially when a new version comes out and breaks everything. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Funny, they only came to that realization after their attempts to buy Debian votes failed and Debian decided to migrate to systemd anyway. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | So, if Canonical makes their own thing not caring what others upstream decide, they're evil and want to pursue incompatibility and exclusivity, if they follow along Debian's decision they're evil anyway. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | the "greater community" seems to have agreed on the consensus that it's because Canonical is evil | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Declaring regular business tactics good or evil is stupid, IMO. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | is forcing cross-distro incompatibility and wants to lockdown GPU driver support. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Canonical uses a number of methods, most notably a licensing model (GPL+proprietary through their CLA), that gives them a competitive advantage. Many companies do that. That's not evil, I simply do not support that (but I don't support many non-evil things like pineapple on pizza). | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | "So long as the linux distros fight against each other, so long will they be a little os, a silly os - greedy, barbarous, and cruel, as the community is." | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | So Redhat is Trump .. | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Canonical is Boris Johnson ... | Jun 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Who's Hilary ? | Jun 19 19:00 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 19 19:00 |
| schestowitz | "GNU/Hurd, at the very least or something even more copyleft that I'm not aware of, because the strange starting point of comparison you are making demands it." | Jun 19 19:00 |
| schestowitz | "Arch." | Jun 19 19:00 |
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| schestowitz | EPO: "We previously referred to CA/21/15 for information about the functioning, or rather dys-functioning, of the EPO internal justice system." | Jun 19 20:29 |
| schestowitz | "" | Jun 19 20:54 |
| schestowitz | "There are more data to be mined from CA/F 6/16." | Jun 19 20:54 |
| schestowitz | >> Oddly enough I never heard of it. Maybe a rename or expansion of something | Jun 19 21:40 |
| schestowitz | > existing? Shells are a dime a dozen as they don't need brand recognition -- | Jun 19 21:40 |
| schestowitz | > nothing to sell :-) < | Jun 19 21:40 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 19 21:40 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.iptalks.eu/ | Jun 19 21:40 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 19 21:40 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.iptalks.eu | IP Europe Alliance | Jun 19 21:40 | |
| schestowitz | > Leadership: http://www.iptalks.eu/about-us (probably some names you know) | Jun 19 21:40 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.iptalks.eu | About Us - IP Europe | Jun 19 21:40 | |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 19 21:40 |
| schestowitz | >> > Mentioned in | Jun 19 21:40 |
| schestowitz | > http://techrights.org/2016/06/19/post-alice-wonderland/ < | Jun 19 21:40 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 19 21:40 |
| schestowitz | > Thanks, now I've seen it. | Jun 19 21:40 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 19 21:40 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Patent Lawyers’ Fantasy Land Where Software Patents Are Suddenly Resurrected Even When They’re Not | Techrights | Jun 19 21:40 | |
| schestowitz | >> > He told me he works with Ingve Stjerna. < | Jun 19 21:40 |
| schestowitz | > The #1 anti-UPC patent litigator :-) | Jun 19 21:40 |
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| schestowitz | <font size="4"><em>"When asked by Ars, the EPO's spokesperson mentioned the imminent arrival of the unitary patent system as an important reason for revising the EPO's internal rules..."</em></font> | Jun 20 09:41 |
| schestowitz | <p align="right"> | Jun 20 09:41 |
| schestowitz | --<font size="3"><a href="http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2016/02/welcome-to-eponia-the-strange-land-of-european-patents-that-is-outside-the-law/6/#h1" title="Welcome to EPOnia, the strange land of European patents that is outside the law">Dr. Glyn Moody </a></font> | Jun 20 09:41 |
| schestowitz | </p> | Jun 20 09:41 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/bensab3/status/744809237964984320 | Jun 20 09:41 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-arstechnica.co.uk | February | 2016 | Ars Technica UK | Jun 20 09:41 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@bensab3: I can see this happening Worldwide with the FTAs and the TPP being signed.... https://t.co/3vF9yNyXH6 | Jun 20 09:41 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Exxon Sues Second Attorney General In Response To #Fraud Investigation https://t.co/Djxe1mce7y the arrogance of #exxon | Jun 20 09:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/744811259678199808 | Jun 20 09:41 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Messgorough: @schestowitz This whole campaign has been without facts, saw the #leave TV spot last night. Never seen such blatant lying since #Iraq | Jun 20 09:41 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/744813154182455296 | Jun 20 09:50 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Metztli_IT: cc: @schestowitz https://t.co/YJZ5LJ6Y4X | Jun 20 09:50 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@chasestrangio: The Christian Right has introduced 200 anti-LGBT bills in the last six months and people blaming Islam for this. No. #PulseNightclub | Jun 20 09:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/744816018585903104 | Jun 20 10:17 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@KrapulaPhD: @reportrai3 Tanta ingiustizia della quale il pubblico sa pochissimo... https://t.co/Y9zD2qSTUt | Jun 20 10:17 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Quite a few #epo articles to be published later this morning. There's so much injustice and so little is publicly known about it (gags). | Jun 20 10:17 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/744820868388290560 | Jun 20 10:17 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@KrapulaPhD: @reportrai3 #laguerradeibrevetti @ipwatch @WorldIPReview https://t.co/JoRsUpEdaJ | Jun 20 10:17 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: @FOSSpatents Paper Demonstrates UPC is Little More Than a Conspiracy of Patent ‘Professionals’, Self Interest https://t.co/Nk7g4GJUsX | Jun 20 10:18 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gideoncvnt/status/744833840682835968 | Jun 20 11:12 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@gideoncvnt: @schestowitz Rude people?? Warsi is nothing more than a thief. | Jun 20 11:12 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/744834413230440448 | Jun 20 11:13 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz And protection from Murdoch…. | Jun 20 11:13 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/T_Miller_Harper/status/744835400749948928 | Jun 20 11:14 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@T_Miller_Harper: @schestowitz I began watching the minute she began insulting the people who put her in office. #RacismBad #BigotryGood #AnimalFarm | Jun 20 11:14 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/T_Miller_Harper/status/744841713089388544 | Jun 20 11:43 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@T_Miller_Harper: @schestowitz To the surprise of many, in an opinion issued in 12/2014 by the ECJ it rejected the accession to the ECHR in Opinion 2/13. | Jun 20 11:43 | |
| schestowitz | What was this opinion about? | Jun 20 11:43 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/T_Miller_Harper/status/744844236542087168 | Jun 20 11:48 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@T_Miller_Harper: @schestowitz In short: The EU really doesn't recognise human rights...not yet anyway. | Jun 20 11:48 | |
| schestowitz | unlike the UK :-) | Jun 20 11:48 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/T_Miller_Harper/status/744845193761951744 | Jun 20 11:54 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@T_Miller_Harper: @schestowitz We follow the EU menu of delights. Look how migrants are treated when they accept an open offer. Not to mention citizens. | Jun 20 11:54 | |
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| schestowitz | Re: A request about your posts referencing me | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > Dear Dr. Schestowitz, | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > I read your recent post on the “Circus of Patent Reporting” | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > (http://techrights.org/2016/05/22/creating-swoats-wars/). You mentioned | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > my wife; in context, I’m not sure if that’s to indicate bias on my part | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > or something else. | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 20 22:32 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | The Circus of Patent ‘Reporting’ (by Omission) on the Subject of Software Patents in the US and USPTO Bias | Techrights | Jun 20 22:32 | |
| schestowitz | > Still, I would be grateful if you would try to leave her out of it. She | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > has nothing to do with what I write. | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > If you want to accuse me of bias or attack my opinions, I’m certainly | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > fair game. You’re passionate about patents and I respect that. Plus, you | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > link back to my site, which I do appreciate. I’m just asking that you | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > please avoid mentioning my wife whenever possible. | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > Thanks for your consideration. If you ever want to ask me directly what | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > I meant or why I’ve written something, please feel free to reach out. | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | > With best regards, | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Hi, | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Thanks for letting me know. I won't mention the wife. | Jun 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/745010582009544704 | Jun 20 22:50 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: @schestowitz yeah he told me. | Jun 20 22:50 | |
| schestowitz | I thought someone who contacted me (no name) was him | Jun 20 22:50 |
| schestowitz | and it seems like they quite likely know each other, one is anonymous | Jun 20 22:51 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Mysmartprivacy/status/745015434710126592 | Jun 20 23:10 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Mysmartprivacy: @schestowitz FCC Case/Major Carrier Admits Apps Access Personal Info/Smartphones https://t.co/LZ3SDldDm2 https://t.co/F8P8oHBx1o | Jun 20 23:10 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.termsmayapply.com | Open Letter Wireless | Jun 20 23:11 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Mysmartprivacy: @schestowitz FCC Case/Major Carrier Admits Apps Access Personal Info/Smartphones https://t.co/LZ3SDldDm2 https://t.co/F8P8oHBx1o | Jun 20 23:11 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/745016530270830592 | Jun 20 23:14 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@AJimenez1988: Try to get someone in space without Russian ships. Just try. https://t.co/AUz9gKpjjF | Jun 20 23:14 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Biggest computer is from #china and biggest airplane from #russia but we're not supposed to know all that. Cold War mentality prevails. | Jun 20 23:14 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/745158676839694337 | Jun 21 08:43 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Wikinaut: @schestowitz send ur stuff 2 SüddeutscheZeitung (Hans Leyendecker),NDR/WDR(Georg Mascolo),DieZeit,HEISE Verlag(c't) https://t.co/xn4WzdJttZ | Jun 21 08:43 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: When I publish the comment that #ipkat censored people will see just how innocent a comment they deem unpublishable https://t.co/vFckI4MBKF | Jun 21 08:43 | |
| schestowitz | I never found out what exactly was going on with Katja | Jun 21 08:43 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/745164976684302336 | Jun 21 09:15 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: @bastianbest If the UK accept the supremacy of the ECJ in patent cases :-) | Jun 21 09:15 | |
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| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/06/procedure-to-remove-board-of-appeal.html?showComment=1466513727956#c7231088898975463857 | Jun 21 15:34 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: Procedure to remove Board of Appeal member from office ends - after reports of attempts to nobble the Enlarged Board | Jun 21 15:34 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 21 15:34 |
| schestowitz | When I wrote "We don't really care about what happened to Mrs Hardon here", I meant: "What happened to Mrs Hardon is not really relevant to the present discussion about threatening the boards". I also find that what happened to her and to the other dismissed people is scandalous. | Jun 21 15:34 |
| schestowitz | But what we have here is that the President is threatening the enlarged board of appeal. In the Patent Office, a judicial body. For the jurist in me, this is unthinkable. | Jun 21 15:34 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 21 15:34 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/06/never-too-late-if-you-missed-ipkat-last_21.html | Jun 21 15:58 |
| schestowitz | "Merpel brings you the news that the Administrative Council of the European Patent Office has, for the third time, sought to remove one of the members of the enlarged Board of Appeal. Merpel sees this is an outrageous attempt to 'nobble' people acting in a judicial capacity (and judging by the comments section most of you agree)." | Jun 21 15:58 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: Never Too Late: if you missed the IPKat last week | Jun 21 15:58 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrankViewZ/status/745283106895200256 | Jun 21 16:57 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@FrankViewZ: @realDonaldTrump @catoletters @schestowitz @EtonOldBoys Guess who just tried to kill TRUMP: A white Brit https://t.co/Y4Q4oYsb5P | Jun 21 16:57 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> m.truthdig.com | Juan Cole: Donald Trump Bashes Brown Immigrants, Yet It’s a British White Guy Who Tries to Kill Him - Juan Cole - Truthdig | Jun 21 16:57 | |
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| schestowitz | > x http://www.zdnet.com/article/being-open-source-is-killing-android/ | Jun 21 17:14 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.zdnet.com | Being open source is killing Android | ZDNet | Jun 21 17:14 | |
| schestowitz | > I didn't even click on that link, just copied it from the troll title. | Jun 21 17:14 |
| schestowitz | > I think my last visit to ZDNet can be measured in months now. M$ has | Jun 21 17:14 |
| schestowitz | > killed ZDNet. I even see SJVN writing elsewhere, he's mostly ok but not | Jun 21 17:14 |
| schestowitz | > his old self since m$ broke his balls. | Jun 21 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I saw this. Don't feed them unless it's decent (which happens sometimes). | Jun 21 17:14 |
| schestowitz | > Dear Roy | Jun 21 18:08 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 21 18:08 |
| schestowitz | > Thank you for your email. | Jun 21 18:08 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 21 18:08 |
| schestowitz | > We have indeed discussed our comment moderation policy before, and it is | Jun 21 18:08 |
| schestowitz | > clear that you disagree with it. You are free to write whatever you wish | Jun 21 18:08 |
| schestowitz | > on your own blog, and to allow comments without moderation, but the | Jun 21 18:08 |
| schestowitz | > IPKat will continue to moderate comments on our blog in accordance with | Jun 21 18:08 |
| schestowitz | > our established criteria and using our best judgment. | Jun 21 18:08 |
| schestowitz | > EPLA != EPLAW | Jun 21 18:09 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 21 18:09 |
| schestowitz | > EPLA = European Patent Litigation Agreement | Jun 21 18:09 |
| schestowitz | > EPLAW = patent lawyers' body | Jun 21 18:09 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I was not suggesting they're the same. | Jun 21 18:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/IrateBrit/status/745312549365747712 | Jun 21 18:49 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@IrateBrit: @schestowitz Vote @remain really are scraping the barrel with these has been footballers. Gosh! #voteleave | Jun 21 18:49 | |
| MinceR | what has the EU got to do with their soccer players? | Jun 21 19:29 |
| schestowitz | exactly | Jun 21 20:21 |
| schestowitz | but many people here care about football | Jun 21 20:21 |
| schestowitz | many are stupid enough to listen to UKIP | Jun 21 20:21 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/745313373202440192 | Jun 21 20:38 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: I wonder if UserModeLinux (UML) would run under M$ Win10 with their Ubuntu Linux systemcalls emulation. | Jun 21 20:38 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/alanbell_libsol/status/745340073227526144 | Jun 21 20:39 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@alanbell_libsol: yup, it is a horrific mess, a blended democracy/theocracy with a neutered monarchy https://t.co/lUeurhlDfX | Jun 21 20:39 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: My experience of the UK is, not a democratic place "at all". Monarchy, House of Lords is undemocratic institution. https://t.co/qgTdfvmZA7 | Jun 21 20:39 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TrueBlueLine/status/745366898037006337 | Jun 21 22:28 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@TrueBlueLine: @schestowitz what do you mean? anyone would have been held back by fear in that situation but the article mentioned comms to hold for SWAT | Jun 21 22:28 | |
| schestowitz | SWAT took a long time to arrive, people were dying | Jun 21 22:28 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TrueBlueLine/status/745368952780402689 | Jun 21 22:34 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@TrueBlueLine: @schestowitz most police are not trained for this, they could've mis-identified the shooter or killed people with stray bullets | Jun 21 22:34 | |
| schestowitz | unlike SWAT? | Jun 21 22:35 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TrueBlueLine/status/745370013285003264 https://twitter.com/TrueBlueLine/status/745370248589651975 | Jun 21 22:41 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@TrueBlueLine: @schestowitz swat has some advantages like night vision, Kevlar vests, etc. | Jun 21 22:41 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@TrueBlueLine: @schestowitz if an officer went in against orders and ended up killing people, his or her life would be over | Jun 21 22:41 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/smokingwheels/status/745399963295703042 | Jun 22 01:02 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@smokingwheels: Ubuntu Phone hinted at https://t.co/ZArCf4d1kx https://t.co/tCYFQ8K5PI | Jun 22 01:02 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.techrepublic.com | Canonical changes the game by announcing universal snap packages - TechRepublic | Jun 22 01:02 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: New distro wars: not just "RPM/deb split" but also #systemd (which #flatpak requires) https://t.co/vRHavM2xGZ https://t.co/qSZBuigCEw | Jun 22 01:02 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7515432 | Jun 22 01:38 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@wurstaufbrot@pod.geraspora.de reshared: Intel x86s hide another CPU that can take over your machine (you can't audit it) http://boingboing.net/2016/06/15/intel-x86-processors-ship-with.html can boycott #intel though | Jun 22 01:38 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> boingboing.net | Intel x86s hide another CPU that can take over your machine (you can't audit it) / Boing Boing | Jun 22 01:38 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 22 01:38 |
| schestowitz | “Intel” owners are the “god” guys. The already exploited “brains”. | Jun 22 01:38 |
| schestowitz | This chip is just a metaphore of their “beliefs” on deception and self deception | Jun 22 01:38 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 22 01:38 |
| schestowitz | "And I thought they made computing affordable and fun. Just goes to show…" | Jun 22 01:38 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7519908 | Jun 22 01:40 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@lxoliva@pod.libreplanetbr.org reshared: The Weaponising Of Social Part 2: Stomping On @IOError ’s Grave http://theindicter.com/the-weaponising-of-social-part-2-stomping-on-ioerrors-grave/ #tor | Jun 22 01:40 | |
| schestowitz | "“The lack of victim impact in the statements is massively disturbing. It is as if the statements were written and/or edited by women who are not victims at all.” written by an actual gang rape victim" | Jun 22 01:40 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> theindicter.com | The Weaponising Of Social Part 2: Stomping On IOError’s Grave – THE INDICTER [ http://ur1.ca/pc4fi ] | Jun 22 01:40 | |
| schestowitz | "There is constant complaint of power imbalance and fear of reprisal but no tangible complaint of ongoing personal emotional ramifications from these alleged experiences, other than embarrassment. No claim or description of lasting harm. This contradicts everything I have seen, witnessed and personally experienced over the years, and I find it impossible to ignore." | Jun 22 01:41 |
| schestowitz | "The above tweet using the Appelbaum allegations to disparage WikiLeaks is authored by the FBI snitch Adrian Lamo. Lamo is responsible for social engineering the heroic whistleblower Chelsea Manning, who as a direct result of Lamo’s manipulations, was arrested and sentenced to decades in jail." | Jun 22 01:43 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7524182 | Jun 22 01:55 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NSATunnel: yet another bug door in #microsoft #windows and the age: 21 years http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/badtunnel-critical-vulnerability-affects-every-version-microsofts-os-since-windows-95-1566458 recall http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA | Jun 22 01:55 | |
| schestowitz | "I think this bug needs its own marketing team, with a trademarked logo and website." | Jun 22 01:55 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.ibtimes.co.uk | BadTunnel: Critical vulnerability affects every version of Microsoft's OS since Windows 95 [ http://ur1.ca/pc4j5 ] | Jun 22 01:55 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> techrights.org | Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g1zod ] | Jun 22 01:55 | |
| schestowitz | No, can't. It's not FOSS. ;-) | Jun 22 01:56 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7519587 | Jun 22 01:56 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #NetOS 8.0.2 Arrives with Improved Support for #Chromebook Pixel and Surface Pro http://news.softpedia.com/news/netos-8-0-2-arrives-with-improved-support-for-chromebook-pixel-and-surface-pro-505421.shtml #gnu #linux | Jun 22 01:56 | |
| schestowitz | "On which distro is based on this one ?" | Jun 22 01:56 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> news.softpedia.com | NetOS 8.0.2 Arrives with Improved Support for Chromebook Pixel and Surface Pro [ http://ur1.ca/pc4jd ] | Jun 22 01:56 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7521920 | Jun 22 01:56 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NECROPOLIS, the third person action game from Harebrained Schemes may come to Linux http://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/necropolis-the-third-person-action-game-from-harebrained-schemes-may-come-to-linux.7466 #games #gnu #linux | Jun 22 01:57 | |
| schestowitz | "love games from Harebrained Schemes, dat Shadowrun series was awesome (except for Boston Lockdown but it was made by other studio)" | Jun 22 01:57 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.gamingonlinux.com | NECROPOLIS, the third person action game from Harebrained Schemes may come to Linux | GamingOnLinux [ http://ur1.ca/pc4jf ] | Jun 22 01:57 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7524669 | Jun 22 01:57 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The Daily Fails finds another excuse to dish or toss dirt on #wikileaks http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3650588/Julian-Assange-begins-FIFTH-year-hiding-Ecuadorian-Embassy-Wikileaks-founder-fears-sent-Sweden-answer-rape-allegation.html even when it's untrue | Jun 22 01:57 | |
| schestowitz | "Turning into a real farce." | Jun 22 01:57 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.dailymail.co.uk | Julian Assange begins his FIFTH year in hiding at the Ecuadorian Embassy | Daily Mail Online [ http://ur1.ca/pc4jh ] | Jun 22 01:57 | |
| schestowitz | Boris legacy and Will Hague... | Jun 22 01:57 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7522063 | Jun 22 01:58 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Supreme Court Knocks A Little More Off The 4th Amendment; Gives Cops Another Way To Salvage Illegal Searches https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160620/08435234763/supreme-court-knocks-little-more-off-4th-amendment-gives-cops-another-way-to-salvage-illegal-searches.shtml #police | Jun 22 01:58 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.techdirt.com | Supreme Court Knocks A Little More Off The 4th Amendment; Gives Cops Another Way To Salvage Illegal Searches | Techdirt [ http://ur1.ca/pc4jo ] | Jun 22 01:58 | |
| schestowitz | "I have often argued that especially since the NDAA (non)decision of the US Supreme Court in April of 2014, there has actually been no due process and no law at all in this country. The decision in this case only reinforces this view. We may continue to try and use the courts, but I think that the judicial branch is suffering and dying because it has dealt itself far too many fatal blows. http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1s8t6v4" | Jun 22 01:58 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.twitlonger.com | TwitLonger — When you talk too much for Twitter | Jun 22 01:58 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7525507 | Jun 22 02:00 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Sony agrees to pay millions to gamers to settle #PS3 #Linux debacle http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/06/if-you-used-to-run-linux-on-your-ps3-you-could-get-55-from-sony/ | Jun 22 02:00 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 22 02:00 |
| schestowitz | "To get the $55, a gamer “must attest under oath to their purchase of the product and installation of Linux, provide proof of their purchase or serial number and PlayStation Network Sign-in ID, and submit some proof of their use of the Other OS functionality.” To get the $9, PS3 owners must submit a claim that, at the time they bought their console, they "knew about the Other OS, relied upon the Other OS functionality, and intended to use | Jun 22 02:00 |
| schestowitz | the Other OS functionality." | Jun 22 02:00 |
| schestowitz | So, they’re disgruntled that people rightfully objected to the moral implications and the fact that they scammed their customers out of a feature, and are now trying to minimize the financial damage to themselves by putting up a wall of bureaucracy around this hot potato, in hopes not many people will want to go through that ordeal in order to receive a regurgitated compensation. | Jun 22 02:00 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> arstechnica.com | Sony agrees to pay millions to gamers to settle PS3 Linux debacle | Ars Technica | Jun 22 02:00 | |
| schestowitz | Good to know how Sony defines customer service anno 2016. | Jun 22 02:00 |
| schestowitz | "all persons in the United States who purchased a Fat PS3 model in the United States between November 1, 2006, and April 1, 2010." | Jun 22 02:00 |
| schestowitz | US only? Small world I guess. | Jun 22 02:00 |
| schestowitz | Since they imply that they have no customers outside of the US, I think a valid response to that would be, to not buy a Sony product again, to remind them where their money came from. | Jun 22 02:00 |
| schestowitz | #ps3 #sony #linux #wtf #greed | Jun 22 02:00 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 22 02:00 |
| schestowitz | Remember what they did with rootkits and the small payouts | Jun 22 02:00 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7518117 | Jun 22 02:00 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Self-park https://diasp.org/uploads/images/scaled_full_e612350ca776a0426f5a.gif | Jun 22 02:00 | |
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| schestowitz | "Dr. Evil’s rotating chairs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htRHj3tyYyo" | Jun 22 02:00 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.youtube.com | Austin Powers- Mustafa - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/pc4k6 ] | Jun 22 02:00 | |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7524734 | Jun 22 02:01 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: What is Missing from the Memo 51 U.S. Diplomats Signed Urging Strikes Against #Assad in #Syria http://wemeantwell.com/blog/2016/06/20/what-is-missing-from-the-memo-51-u-s-diplomats-signed-urging-strikes-against-assad-in-syria/ | Jun 22 02:01 | |
| schestowitz | "Yea. Strike Assad not ISIS. Im sick of this poorly deguised regime change op." | Jun 22 02:01 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> wemeantwell.com | What is Missing from the Memo 51 U.S. Diplomats Signed Urging Strikes Against Assad in Syria | Ghosts of Tom Joad - Peter Van Buren [ http://ur1.ca/pc4k9 ] | Jun 22 02:01 | |
| schestowitz | Gone out of control, but weapons are still being sold, so it;s OK | Jun 22 02:01 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7524640 | Jun 22 02:01 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Turkish president #Erdogan takes 'hundreds of people to court for INSULTING him' http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/681385/recep-tayyip-erdogan-tueky-insulting-court-migrants #turkey | Jun 22 02:01 | |
| schestowitz | "Take note: This is exactly what will happen in the U.S. if Trump becomes president! You were warned." | Jun 22 02:01 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.express.co.uk | Erdogan takes 'hundreds of people to court for INSULTING him' | World | News | Daily Express [ http://ur1.ca/pc4kd ] | Jun 22 02:01 | |
| schestowitz | Already happening and he's not even running yet | Jun 22 02:01 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7408742 | Jun 22 02:02 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Time to rename #facebook something like #BurnBook because of #political #censorship that's overt and unforgiving. Like #stalinism / #nazism | Jun 22 02:02 | |
| schestowitz | "Actually, as of late. The new term or catchphrase that is used is #jihadibook " | Jun 22 02:02 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7519330 | Jun 22 02:02 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Those who think that leaving the EU has anything to do with Muslim immigration should read up on #switzerland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Switzerland | Jun 22 02:02 | |
| schestowitz | "I’m probably too daft… can anyone explain to me the point of this post?" | Jun 22 02:02 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> en.wikipedia.org | Islam in Switzerland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/pc4kk ] | Jun 22 02:02 | |
| schestowitz | This related to far-right party, UKIP, which wants brexit under the guise of "stopping Muslim immigration" | Jun 22 02:03 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7521258 | Jun 22 02:03 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This is one of many reasons the #uk needs European regulators http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2460891/snoopers-charter-independent-reviewer-worked-at-gchq #brexit #voteleave | Jun 22 02:03 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 22 02:03 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.theinquirer.net | Snoopers' Charter: 'Independent' reviewer worked at GCHQ | TheINQUIRER | Jun 22 02:03 | |
| schestowitz | How would a European regulator prevent that. The study is done by a Q C from the UK. https://terrorismlegislationreviewer.independent.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/IPR-Report-Web-Accessible1.pdf | Jun 22 02:03 |
| schestowitz | I can’t see how this relates to the EU vote. | Jun 22 02:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 22 02:03 |
| schestowitz | Opposition to this bill has come from central European authorities, to which some of these cases get escalated | Jun 22 02:04 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7526458 | Jun 22 07:50 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@deusfigendi@pod.geraspora.de: ### Krasser Scheiß, das ist einer der Hauptgründe, warum ich Sony boykottiere. > ---- <strong>  @{ Linux ; linux@joindiaspora.com} </strong><sup> [21.6 | Jun 22 07:50 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 22 07:50 |
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| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> arstechnica.com | Sony agrees to pay millions to gamers to settle PS3 Linux debacle | Ars Technica | Jun 22 07:50 | |
| schestowitz | Krasser Scheiß, das ist einer der Hauptgründe, warum ich Sony boykottiere. | Jun 22 07:50 |
| schestowitz | Avatar Linux 21.6.2016, 21:56:27 | Jun 22 07:50 |
| schestowitz | Sony agrees to pay millions to gamers to settle PS3 Linux debacle http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/06/if-you-used-to-run-linux-on-your-ps3-you-could-get-55-from-sony/ | Jun 22 07:50 |
| schestowitz | Schade dass ein Gericht sie zwingen musste, sonst hätte ich ihnen vielleicht verziehen. Aber genau deshalb teile ich die Information noch einmal, ich finde sie muss in den Köpfen bleiben, auch nach sechs fucking Jahren. | Jun 22 07:50 |
| schestowitz | Wenngleich ich mal annehme, dass nur Kunden in Californien die 55$ bekommen und niemand in Europa. | Jun 22 07:50 |
| schestowitz | #linux #sony #playstation #ps3 #otheros | Jun 22 07:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 22 07:51 |
| schestowitz | holy shit after six years. | Jun 22 07:51 |
| schestowitz | I’m wondering if that’s only for California or will my friends in Europe participate? | Jun 22 07:51 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/7525508 | Jun 22 07:51 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Sony agrees to pay millions to gamers to settle PS3 Linux debacle http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/06/if-you-used-to-run-linux-on-your-ps3-you-could-get-55-from-sony/ | Jun 22 07:51 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 22 07:51 |
| schestowitz | holy shit after six years. | Jun 22 07:51 |
| schestowitz | I’m wondering if that’s only for California or will my friends in Europe participate? | Jun 22 07:51 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 22 07:51 |
| schestowitz | US only | Jun 22 07:51 |
| schestowitz | "good mornig Roy, I hope you like my stuff" | Jun 22 07:59 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Jun 22 07:59 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/bastianbest/status/745517946504568832 | Jun 22 08:26 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@bastianbest: "Non-invasive attention management" doesn't sound very patentable from a European perspective as well #swpat https://t.co/BQgPyE6qOF | Jun 22 08:26 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: #swpats - software patents continue to die in the US https://t.co/Z8ZCVrKnpv | Jun 22 08:26 | |
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| schestowitz | "I'm fully aware of this. Unfortunately I have to agree with you and since Jeremy left the Kat their EPO reports leave a lot to be desired. Also the frequency of reporting (as you already mentioned in Techrights before) dropped remarkably. I suspect pressure from the Dark side and I know exactly how Lord Voldemort proceed...(keep this pls for yourself) as I can tell you I was hit severly and multiple times in the past. (literally, they almost | Jun 22 09:49 |
| schestowitz | killed me and my familly) Nepotism, bribing goes beyond imagination and common sense. Trust me Roy, even ILOAT is deeply infected and influented by Lord Voldemort. Evidence, probably books full of evidence however what's it good for? There is (at that moment ) no other option than ILOAT to seek justice. Maybe and hopefully in the (near) future, national tribunals will be open and receivable for EPO cases (cases outside the patent scope) but | Jun 22 09:49 |
| schestowitz | of course that remains to be seen." | Jun 22 09:49 |
| schestowitz | Thanks for sharing these thoughts | Jun 22 09:49 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrankViewZ/status/745699999015632896 | Jun 22 20:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@FrankViewZ: @felicitouslut @catoletters @schestowitz Meanwhile in England a mother on full social benefits & never worked .. https://t.co/Suwdm6LTji | Jun 22 20:36 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@FrankViewZ: @felicitouslut @catoletters @schestowitz Meanwhile in England a mother on full social benefits & never worked .. https://t.co/Suwdm6LTji | Jun 22 20:36 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.ip-watch.org/2016/06/22/jaguar-land-rover-faces-uphill-legal-battle-against-jiangling-motor-over-copycat-car/ | Jun 22 20:37 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.ip-watch.org | Jaguar Land Rover Faces Uphill Legal Battle Against Jiangling Motor Over Copycat Car | Jun 22 20:37 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/EPOorg/status/745644236817698817 https://twitter.com/EPOorg/status/745629138497769476 | Jun 22 20:41 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@EPOorg: Are you a regular user of #Espacenet? Maybe you'd like to join our user consultation on new ways to use Espacenet https://t.co/qRMHVOOCe0 | Jun 22 20:41 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> forums.epo.org | New Espacenet - user consultations : Espacenet | Jun 22 20:41 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@EPOorg: Find out how to spot relevant patent documents by simply monitoring large lists: https://t.co/zT3XnH3CAR #freewebinar | Jun 22 20:41 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.epo.org | EPO - Event details | Jun 22 20:41 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Tommi_M_Elo/status/745926055169507328 | Jun 23 11:27 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Tommi_M_Elo: @schestowitz Yes. Vendor lock-in acid, 13 in a dozen code slaves and Redmond quality control... | Jun 23 11:27 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/huehuehuio/status/745941707389341696 | Jun 23 12:38 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@huehuehuio: The only time a Microsoft product saves energy is when it stop spying on you. It's a brief moment though. https://t.co/YfzWPjqfJV | Jun 23 12:38 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Opera repudiates Microsoft Edge battery-saving claims https://t.co/3KeJzMTgbB no surprise. Microsoft=liars and criminals. | Jun 23 12:38 | |
| schestowitz | > Hi, Roy, | Jun 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | > I just listened to the FOSSForce video. | Jun 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | > One comment about the first listen is that opponents have been allowed | Jun 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | > to reframe the discussion of software to the point that RMS is not given | Jun 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | > credit for founding a whole movement. There would be no OSS without the | Jun 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | > original GNU. More to the point, rather than letting him get called | Jun 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | > "extreme", my first thought is to say that he is instead at the "forefront" | Jun 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | > I generally skip the videos otherwise and would prefer if Roblimo would | Jun 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | > provide transcripts instead. We'll listen to it again soon as Satu | Jun 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | > wanted me to translate or explain some of what was said. However, he | Jun 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | > did a pretty good job interviewing so maybe I should set some time aside | Jun 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | > to look at some of the old ones. | Jun 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | I spoke to him for over 3 hours. He's a fascinating person, also former NSA staff and military man. | Jun 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | Thanks for the feedback. | Jun 23 12:40 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ritchiepage2001/status/745960197278007296 | Jun 23 13:51 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@ritchiepage2001: #2218of2383 #Banks #WTO #MassIncarceration #IraqWar #Oligarchs #NAFTA #SuperPACs #Media Vs #BLM #union #occupy #vets https://t.co/gmKmw5yRa9 | Jun 23 13:51 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: More young people voted for Bernie #Sanders than Donald Rump and #Clinton combined — by a lot https://t.co/GRLw57MMa4 | Jun 23 13:51 | |
| schestowitz | Florida's Robin “Roblimo” Miller and I Regarding GNU/Linux, Patents and More http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2016/06/23/linux-patents-and-more/ | Jun 23 14:06 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-schestowitz.com | schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Robin “Roblimo” Miller and I Regarding GNU/Linux, Patents and More | Jun 23 14:06 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/746011841927720961 | Jun 23 17:22 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@KrapulaPhD: Now with complete English transcript @schestowitz @ipwatch @WorldIPReview #laguerradeibrevetti https://t.co/qSGBrqtFYz | Jun 23 17:22 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@reportrai3: #Report da rivedere - "La guerra dei brevetti", di Paolo Mondani https://t.co/eEHDe3sm3T https://t.co/diStqT4b1i | Jun 23 17:22 | |
| r_schestowitz | > All is well here. Andrew is coming for a visit tomorrow, staying at the Diplomat Hotel and bringing his new girlfriend to meet us. He is in divorce proceedings with his wife. Rachelle was given a huge project by her boss that might require 6 months to complete. I have the utmost confidence in her career success. | Jun 23 17:45 |
| r_schestowitz | Sounds good, I didn't expect Andrew to move on so quickly. | Jun 23 17:45 |
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| r_schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/06/procedure-to-remove-board-of-appeal.html?showComment=1466663265737#c8331210953464114816 | Jun 23 19:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: Procedure to remove Board of Appeal member from office ends - after reports of attempts to nobble the Enlarged Board | Jun 23 19:36 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jun 23 19:36 |
| r_schestowitz | WPS and Umo, | Jun 23 19:36 |
| r_schestowitz | Yes, I underwood that generally but I meant the practicalities. If the EBoA is not able to hear people they or the 'defendant' wish to hear, I presume their powers are limited. | Jun 23 19:36 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jun 23 19:36 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jun 23 19:36 |
| r_schestowitz | "Open letter from EPO staff pleads with country reps to fire president." | Jun 23 19:36 |
| r_schestowitz | Pray that it works - because if it doesn't the Investigation Unit will be quite busy in the Great Purge that will follow ... | Jun 23 19:36 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jun 23 19:36 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jun 23 19:36 |
| r_schestowitz | See also | Jun 23 19:36 |
| r_schestowitz | Rule 120 | Jun 23 19:37 |
| r_schestowitz | Hearing by a competent national court | Jun 23 19:37 |
| r_schestowitz | http://www.epo.org/law-practice/legal-texts/html/epc/2013/e/r120.html | Jun 23 19:37 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.epo.org | Rule 120 – Hearing by a competent national court - The European Patent Convention, Implementing Regulations – to the Convention on the Grant of European Patents, Part VII – Implementing Regulations to Part VII of the Convention, Chapter III – Oral proceedings and taking of evidence [ http://ur1.ca/pcjl9 ] | Jun 23 19:37 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jun 23 19:37 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jun 23 19:37 |
| r_schestowitz | The Register reports about an Open letter from EPO staff pleads with country reps to fire president. | Jun 23 19:37 |
| r_schestowitz | The letter is here. | Jun 23 19:37 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jun 23 19:37 |
| r_schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/06/a-patent-to-prevent-eu-referendum-ip.html?showComment=1466682908243#c6891757780017231603 | Jun 23 19:38 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: A patent to prevent the EU Referendum: An IP practitioner's Brexit dream [ http://ur1.ca/pcjlp ] | Jun 23 19:38 | |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jun 23 19:38 |
| r_schestowitz | A cynic in IP would say that the single patent is the Euro of IP, built on political expediency not logic and imposed by unelected technocrats. And something to be overseen by unelected judges (thank you Lord Forsyth (BBC r4 question time). It is the biggest assault on our sovereignty of all so far. The granting of letters patent in all spheres is an act of sovereignty... | Jun 23 19:38 |
| r_schestowitz | Or in a system of globalised trade it is a step towards a global approach to defining and protecting rights... | Jun 23 19:38 |
| r_schestowitz | " | Jun 23 19:38 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/746013967739461632 | Jun 23 19:48 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: @bastianbest @minnosphere not really, no need of patents to create a successful business. | Jun 23 19:48 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/746035534208827393 | Jun 23 19:48 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: @bastianbest @minnosphere Most software companies don't have patents. And that's for a pragmatic reason. | Jun 23 19:48 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/746036534369976320 | Jun 23 19:49 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: @bastianbest @minnosphere furthermore, patent attorneys don't understand code, so they are useless to verify code. | Jun 23 19:49 | |
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| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/TheBigDingus/status/745985912337764352 https://twitter.com/sklivvz/status/745986169591173120 | Jun 23 20:02 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@TheBigDingus: @sklivvz @Snowden They're actually voting against refugee immigrants but #bremain twists it into "immigrants" to promote fear & bigotry. | Jun 23 20:02 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@sklivvz: @TheBigDingus @Snowden no no, it's actually immigrants from the EU. | Jun 23 20:02 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/EPOorg/status/745951274705747968 | Jun 23 20:03 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@EPOorg: @Maria_GlezF The internet publication of the EQE results is foreseen for the beginning of July. | Jun 23 20:03 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/746057845276303360 | Jun 23 20:14 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Wikinaut: @schestowitz https://t.co/ny9IXMwikI | Jun 23 20:14 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: Enlarged Board publishes decision: EPO President violated judicial independence | Jun 23 20:14 | |
| r_schestowitz | Yes, working on the text now | Jun 23 20:14 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/746058483074797572 | Jun 23 20:15 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Wikinaut: @schestowitz wow https://t.co/5gy4XmAzKJ | Jun 23 20:15 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/746058680219635712 | Jun 23 20:15 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz Haven’t you got your ego’s mixed up? :-) | Jun 23 20:15 | |
| r_schestowitz | ;-) clickbait | Jun 23 20:15 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/746059217543532544 | Jun 23 20:18 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Wikinaut: @schestowitz cc then to HeikoMaas | Jun 23 20:18 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/readergordonbp/status/746059147385372672 | Jun 23 20:18 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@readergordonbp: @schestowitz Dam predictive text - s/be epo’s ;-) | Jun 23 20:18 | |
| r_schestowitz | He's ignoring everyone | Jun 23 20:18 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/746059813109534721 | Jun 23 20:20 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@jmcest: /cc @justica_pt @govpt @antoniocostapm https://t.co/VMtzT3kfNa | Jun 23 20:20 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Enlarged Board publishes decision: EPO President violated judicial independence https://t.co/IE9aDlYA0L will he be put on trial? ;-) | Jun 23 20:20 | |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/746062799902752768 | Jun 23 20:34 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Sheikh_al_Touar: @schestowitz Enlarged Board publishes decision: EPO President violated judicial independence https://t.co/g8bagTL9hH | Jun 23 20:34 | |
| r_schestowitz | ocring it | Jun 23 20:34 |
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| r_schestowitz | Re: Decision | Jun 23 22:04 |
| r_schestowitz | > Hi Roy, I bet that you already received this document. ;) | Jun 23 22:04 |
| r_schestowitz | > | Jun 23 22:04 |
| r_schestowitz | > Best wishes, | Jun 23 22:04 |
| r_schestowitz | Yes, I have. I hope it'll make an impact. | Jun 23 22:05 |
| r_schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/746086966412910592 | Jun 23 22:07 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@AJimenez1988: Because Soros, Bliar and Rothschild, who support Remain, are working-class. https://t.co/yZTzRpPXKZ | Jun 23 22:07 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Just remember: Brexit is a fake revolt – working-class culture is being hijacked to help the elite https://t.co/6M6sb05hUU like Trump... | Jun 23 22:07 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/opendna/status/746249842247208960 | Jun 24 08:54 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@opendna: Forget occupying houses, the UK just cratered its claim to being a hedge against instability for foreign oligarchs. https://t.co/sFuwqyytoK | Jun 24 08:54 | |
| schestowitz | good point | Jun 24 08:54 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Now that #uk gives the middle finger to the EU, expect less people to occupy houses, i.e. a real estate collapse | Jun 24 08:54 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/maynon2013/status/746252167498113024 | Jun 24 09:06 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@maynon2013: @schestowitz Labour supporters "fed up of being told they're ignorant, they're racist" when raising concerns about impact of immigration. | Jun 24 09:06 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/JSmith53535/status/746252798120108032 | Jun 24 09:07 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@JSmith53535: @schestowitz He's spent his entire life against the EU like the great Tony Benn. Then he says stay. Heartlands rejected him. A fool. | Jun 24 09:07 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/746252826851086336 | Jun 24 09:07 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz UKIP, unlike all other UK parties, supported FFII/NoSoftwarePatents on patentable subject matter as well as UPC predecessor. | Jun 24 09:07 | |
| schestowitz | But it's not hard to see what their agenda was... against UPC and the likes of it | Jun 24 09:07 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/746254278990401536 https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/746254691831545856 | Jun 24 09:14 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz they really cared about small business and open source interests | Jun 24 09:14 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz Labour Party was even less receptive to our arguments than German conservatives | Jun 24 09:15 | |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:35 |
| schestowitz | > http://m.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/libby-leaks-oakland-mayor-launches-investigation-against-city-and-police-whistleblowers/Content?oid=4849906 | Jun 24 10:35 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-m.eastbayexpress.com | #LibbyLeaks: Oakland Mayor Launches Investigation Against City and Police Whistleblowers | News | East Bay Express [ http://ur1.ca/pcq6h ] | Jun 24 10:35 | |
| schestowitz | > Multiple separate scandals and they try to distract with this instead | Jun 24 10:35 |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:35 |
| schestowitz | > "Sharia is the root cause of the Orlando tragedy, yet Hillary Clinton, | Jun 24 10:35 |
| schestowitz | > the mainstream media, and the anti-gun crowd go to great lengths to | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > cover this up." | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/06/21/its-sharia-stupid/ | Jun 24 10:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.breitbart.com | It's Sharia, Stupid! - Breitbart [ http://ur1.ca/pcq6j ] | Jun 24 10:36 | |
| schestowitz | > he underestimates both the number pushing for sharia and the number | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > needed to make it happen, see: | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.thelocal.dk/20151019/forty-percent-danish-muslims-wants-quran-based-laws | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > https://www.rt.com/news/342718-copenhagen-bars-sharia-patrols/ | Jun 24 10:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.thelocal.dk | 4 of 10 Danish Muslims want Quran-based laws - The Local [ http://ur1.ca/pcq6l ] | Jun 24 10:36 | |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.rt.com | Copenhagen bars tired of ‘Sharia patrols’ rampage & threats raise issue with integration minister — RT News [ http://ur1.ca/pcq6m ] | Jun 24 10:36 | |
| schestowitz | > http://time.com/4379348/pakistan-amjad-sabri-sufi-singer-dead-shot-taliban/ | Jun 24 10:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-time.com | Pakistan Mourns Assassination of Sufi Singer Amjad Sabri [ http://ur1.ca/pcq6o ] | Jun 24 10:36 | |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.cnet.com/news/apple-ebook-price-fixing-settlement-400-million-to-customers/ | Jun 24 10:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.cnet.com | Apple starts to shell out $400 million to customers in e-book settlement - CNET [ http://ur1.ca/pcq6q ] | Jun 24 10:36 | |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > x | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.digitaltrends.com/social-media/president-obama-will-talk-tech-with-mark-zuckerberg-on-facebook-live/ | Jun 24 10:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.digitaltrends.com | NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/pcq6r ] | Jun 24 10:36 | |
| schestowitz | > manipulating POTUS to produce spam | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > "Compas is an algorithm developed by a private company" | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/23/us/backlash-in-wisconsin-against-using-data-to-foretell-defendants-futures.html?_r=0 | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/pcq6t ] | Jun 24 10:36 | |
| schestowitz | > https://torrentfreak.com/court-orders-usenet-providers-expose-prolific-pirates-160622/ | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-torrentfreak.com | Court Orders Usenet Providers to Expose Prolific Pirates - TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/pcq6u ] | Jun 24 10:36 | |
| schestowitz | > https://torrentfreak.com/vpn-providers-protest-plans-expand-government-hacking-powers-160622/ | Jun 24 10:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-torrentfreak.com | VPN Providers Protest Plans to Expand Government Hacking Powers - TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/pcq6w ] | Jun 24 10:36 | |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/twitter-trolls-are-reporting-muslim-girls-to-the-police-for-posting-blasphemous-messages-online-a7096191.html | Jun 24 10:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.independent.co.uk | Twitter trolls are reporting Muslim girls to the police for posting 'blasphemous' messages online | Tech | Lifestyle | The Independent [ http://ur1.ca/pcq6y ] | Jun 24 10:36 | |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2016/06/21/waukesha-gets-permission-draw-water-lake-michigan/86187378/ | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > - | Jun 24 10:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.freep.com | Waukesha gets permission to draw water from Lake Michigan [ http://ur1.ca/pcq70 ] | Jun 24 10:36 | |
| schestowitz | > “The Lakes hold about 20 per cent of the world’s freshwater, but only a | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > fraction, about one per cent, of that water is renewable,” | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > http://motherboard.vice.com/read/waukesha-wisconsin-drinking-water-great-lakes | Jun 24 10:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-motherboard.vice.com | This US City’s Move to Divert Great Lakes Drinking Water Is Just the Beginning | Motherboard [ http://ur1.ca/pcq71 ] | Jun 24 10:36 | |
| schestowitz | > Once the water is taken out of the watershed it is gone and just a | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > matter of time before the whole ecosystem is drained. Then everyone can | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > be impoverished in drought. Again, don't send them a single drop, send | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > them U-Hauls so they can move to where the water is. | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-fracking-idUSKCN0Z71YY | Jun 24 10:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.reuters.com | German government agrees to ban fracking indefinitely | Reuters [ http://ur1.ca/pcq72 ] | Jun 24 10:36 | |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36603847 | Jun 24 10:36 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.bbc.com | Amjad Sabri: Pakistanis mourn singer killed by Taliban - BBC News [ http://ur1.ca/pcq74 ] | Jun 24 10:36 | |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > https://hax.5july.org/2016/06/23/possible-new-developments-in-the-assange-vs-sweden-case/ | Jun 24 10:36 |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:37 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-hax.5july.org | Possible new developments in the Sweden vs. Assange case | HAX [ http://ur1.ca/pcq75 ] | Jun 24 10:37 | |
| schestowitz | > http://www.broadcastingcable.com/news/washington/senate-report-cites-charter-time-warner-cable-overcharges/157537 | Jun 24 10:37 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.broadcastingcable.com | Senate Report Cites Charter, Time Warner Cable Overcharges | Broadcasting & Cable [ http://ur1.ca/pcq77 ] | Jun 24 10:37 | |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.straitstimes.com/world/interpol-says-its-seeking-public-help-to-track-down-123-suspected-human-traffickers | Jun 24 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > one of the major factors in driving the "migrant" crisis | Jun 24 10:37 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.straitstimes.com | Interpol says it's seeking public help to track down 123 suspected human traffickers, World News & Top Stories - The Straits Times [ http://ur1.ca/pcq78 ] | Jun 24 10:37 | |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > http://motherboard.vice.com/read/court-rules-the-fbi-does-not-need-a-warrant-to-hack-a-computer?utm_source=mbtwitter | Jun 24 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:37 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-motherboard.vice.com | Court Rules the FBI Does Not Need a Warrant to Hack a Computer | Motherboard [ http://ur1.ca/pcq7a ] | Jun 24 10:37 | |
| schestowitz | > https://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-boss-europes-geo-unblocking-plans-threaten-movie-industry-160623/ | Jun 24 10:37 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-torrentfreak.com | MPAA Boss: Europe's Geo Unblocking Plans Threaten Movie Industry - TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/pcq7b ] | Jun 24 10:37 | |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jun/23/clash-of-clans-maker-supercell-becomes-europes-first-decacorn | Jun 24 10:37 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.theguardian.com | Clash of Clans maker Supercell becomes Europe's first 'decacorn' | Technology | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/pcq7c ] | Jun 24 10:37 | |
| schestowitz | > bought out / sold out | Jun 24 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/06/clintons-private-e-mail-was-blocked-by-spam-filters-so-state-it-turned-them-off/ | Jun 24 10:37 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-arstechnica.com | Clinton’s private e-mail was blocked by spam filters—so State IT turned them off | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/pcq7d ] | Jun 24 10:37 | |
| schestowitz | > start going after the companies that hire spammers instead of playing | Jun 24 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > with kludges | Jun 24 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > https://letsencrypt.org//2016/06/23/defending-our-brand.html | Jun 24 10:37 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-letsencrypt.org | Defending Our Brand - Let's Encrypt - Free SSL/TLS Certificates [ http://ur1.ca/pcq7f ] | Jun 24 10:37 | |
| schestowitz | > = | Jun 24 10:37 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/23/jury-finds-led-zeppelin-did-not-steal-intro-to-stairway-to-heaven.html | Jun 24 10:37 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.cnbc.com | Jury finds Led Zeppelin did not steal intro to 'Stairway to Heaven' [ http://ur1.ca/pcq7i ] | Jun 24 10:37 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/MarcoRm6/status/746275432249593857 | Jun 24 10:44 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@MarcoRm6: Già ci si spartisce il bottino: Spanish minister calls for #Gibraltar to be returned to #Spain #Brexit #RegnoUnito https://t.co/hKpxnsC1gK | Jun 24 10:44 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Spanish minister calls for #Gibraltar to be returned to #Spain on back of #Brexit vote https://t.co/ubIPeycd8E N. Ireland and Scotland next? | Jun 24 10:44 | |
| schestowitz | > Hi, | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > today (20160624) when I accessed your feed on | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > http://techrights.org/feed/ | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > my Firefox browser showed for a short moment (in the status bar left | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > below) a message which looked like trying to connect to a sevrer in JO | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > xxx.xxx.jo | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > (xxx is only a placeholder for some few letters I do not remember) | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > Suspicious. I killed m Firefox, and restarted and could then finally | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > load your feed. | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > My /etc/hosts file looks okay. | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > I just wanted to inform you, Perhaps a glitch in the DNS ?? or with your | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | > domaoin registrar ? | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | Thank you, I will investigate the server and inform the nameserver maintainer. | Jun 24 10:59 |
| schestowitz | (just fyi, not suggesting anything awkward is happening, just something to keep in mine) | Jun 24 11:00 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FrankViewZ/status/746286967814500352 | Jun 24 11:33 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@FrankViewZ: @catoletters @schestowitz @EtonOldBoys American ignorance is here to stay 👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾 https://t.co/BFEHahqoBI | Jun 24 11:33 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@FrankViewZ: @catoletters @schestowitz @EtonOldBoys American ignorance is here to stay 👇🏾👇🏾👇🏾 https://t.co/BFEHahqoBI | Jun 24 11:33 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/EIP_Elements/status/746289801507278848 | Jun 24 11:33 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@EIP_Elements: @schestowitz who said that to you? This was also stated at the @TheCIPA brexit debate several weeks ago. | Jun 24 11:33 | |
| schestowitz | Nobody said that literally, but people insinuated I was unrealistic. I covered that statement at the time. | Jun 24 11:33 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/06/enlarged-board-publishes-decision-epo.html?showComment=1466763218897#c5674179909544822553 | Jun 24 13:11 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: Enlarged Board publishes decision: EPO President violated judicial independence [ http://ur1.ca/pcrh7 ] | Jun 24 13:11 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 13:11 |
| schestowitz | he is the one that does not understand the EPC | Jun 24 13:11 |
| schestowitz | [Movie Opening: inspiring music, suggestive scenes] | Jun 24 13:11 |
| schestowitz | "In a time of important reforms, the European Patent Office was managed by someone obviously unable to grasp the details of the Law ..." | Jun 24 13:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz | Dear Kittens, | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz | thank you, I am sad too. It is good to not feel alone ins such cases. | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz | I also thank You for your promise to keep us updated about any developments during the exit negotiations regarding IP. | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz | But, as Switzerland and Norway prove, this will not be the end. It is a big exclamation mark behind the need to discuss how the future European integration must continue, and where we need to draw the "do not cross" line. | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz | Let us take this as a chance to improve the EU, and cooperation within Europe. | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz | The EU had its flaws, and this is why a majority voted "Leave". | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz | I cannot begrudge anyone for having voted so, while I personally believed in a "stay", and even hoped for a clear majority voting to "stay". | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz | This decision has been taken by the people, and democracy means that it was their decision. | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz | We will remain friends. I currently I do not foresee a crisis which may change that. | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz | What a total travesty, it is a sad day to be a young, legal professional in Britain :( | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz | Time to apply for my Irish passport. | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 13:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 13:13 |
| schestowitz | Dear IP-Colleagues, | Jun 24 13:13 |
| schestowitz | after all the loud and at last terrible distracting events in the campaign about the BREXIT, we are in the privileged position that we are at least in patent law cases in the EPO and not in EU . Looking forward to the UPC, I hope there wont be new barriers on travels to London. | Jun 24 13:13 |
| schestowitz | At least EU and Great Britain have a blueprint for their forthcoming negotiations - the EFTA-status of Norway, if that's the level of EU-association that Britain finds sufficient. | Jun 24 13:13 |
| schestowitz | With my view from mainland Europe, I hope the best for Britain. | Jun 24 13:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 13:13 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/opendna/status/746311594284580865 | Jun 24 13:16 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@opendna: @GOettingerEU Better call home to confirm the talking points, sir. Merkel says Scotland can "stay" in. @schestowitz https://t.co/cVHXUy1wXq | Jun 24 13:16 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@GOettingerEU: If Scotland would leave UK and fullfill all condition for membership it might be possible it joins the EU. #brexit https://t.co/BmmNl3jsGa | Jun 24 13:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/opendna/status/746311951639248896 | Jun 24 13:16 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@opendna: @GOettingerEU Obviously, there is a rather large difference between staying in and going through the accession process. @schestowitz | Jun 24 13:16 | |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/06/enlarged-board-publishes-decision-epo.html?showComment=1466766313764#c6627035074895587090 | Jun 24 13:20 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: Enlarged Board publishes decision: EPO President violated judicial independence [ http://ur1.ca/pcrjo ] | Jun 24 13:20 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 13:20 |
| schestowitz | [Movie Opening: inspiring music, suggestive scenes] | Jun 24 13:20 |
| schestowitz | [deep breathing sounds emanating from the mouthpiece of a helmet sitting atop a coal black uniform] | Jun 24 13:20 |
| schestowitz | Pukes, I am your father! | Jun 24 13:20 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 13:20 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/06/dear-europe.html?showComment=1466767164546#c76472856874671050 | Jun 24 13:21 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: Dear Europe... [ http://ur1.ca/pcrjs ] | Jun 24 13:21 | |
| schestowitz | " Please stop the emotional twaddle and tell us what it means for us and our clients. " | Jun 24 13:21 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 13:21 |
| schestowitz | Yes, it is a big step, with an uncertain future, but in my opinion, a necessary one. You cannot disenfranchise 500 million people and hope for permanent stability. It is a recipe for extremism. A peaceful democratic decision has been bravely taken, and perhaps, just perhaps, the EU will seriously address the democratic deficit that is its fundamental problem. We have seen a lot of hand-wringing from Remainers about this problem, but no | Jun 24 13:21 |
| schestowitz | suggestions for a solution. It should not have taken such drastic measures to bring about necessary change, I agree, but I can't see that there was any alternative on offer from the EU. The EU has a long and sorry history of ignoring the will of the people (Netherlands, Ireland, France, etc etc), and of overthrowing elected governments (Italy, Greece), all in the name of uniting Europe under an unelected oligarchy. It can't go on. | Jun 24 13:21 |
| schestowitz | Incidentally, an intervention by the EU into the appalling goings-on in the EPO has been requested by many parties - EPO staff, MEPs of several political persuasions, national politicians. In vain, although as a bloc including the vast majority of EPO Member States it could intervene decisively. Its failure to do so is just one of its many failures and risks the demise of a once great European institution, which should be of concern to those | Jun 24 13:21 |
| schestowitz | on this blog. | Jun 24 13:21 |
| schestowitz | " There is one thing that I have not understood in Brexit from mainland Europe. Where David Cameron is going? It is just a beginning of political dialog on cooperation of European countries, which bound to be together in one way or another. The will expressed on the referendum is a fact, a political development. It is for politicians to make the best of it. " | Jun 24 13:21 |
| schestowitz | There is one thing that I have not understood in Brexit from mainland Europe. Where David Cameron is going? It is just a beginning of political dialog on cooperation of European countries, which bound to be together in one way or another. The will expressed on the referendum is a fact, a political development. It is for politicians to make the best of it. | Jun 24 13:21 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/06/dear-europe.html?showComment=1466767983986#c4635805875220954484 | Jun 24 13:21 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: Dear Europe... [ http://ur1.ca/pcrk1 ] | Jun 24 13:21 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/746291940837236736 | Jun 24 13:24 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: @ipgossip @DominionHarbor @IPDealmakers @Forbes Alice and IPR to burst their fragile bubble? | Jun 24 13:24 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KrapulaPhD/status/746304229682323456 | Jun 24 13:28 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@KrapulaPhD: EU minds greek children dying for lack of medicines, now crying its ass off because of #brexit and call for a change? Bunch of hypocrites. | Jun 24 13:28 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/746305049467432960 | Jun 24 13:29 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@zoobab: @DavidGlaude @glynmoody @TheCreaturesLab low latency protocols makes spying easy. | Jun 24 13:29 | |
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| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/06/dear-europe.html?showComment=1466768522008#c5456491660732863054 | Jun 24 20:44 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: Dear Europe... | Jun 24 20:44 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | A sad day indeed and a bad decision. | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Among all the scaremongering lies told, if only the 'remain' campaigners had said the price of beer will increase and Britain will never be able to play in or win the European Football tournaments - and I'm sure the result would have been very different. | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | The only upside is that we will never have to suffer any further humiliation coming near lat in the Eurovision Song Contest ! | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Dear Katfriends, | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Thank you for the post. This piece makes us know that there is a great part of Britain that feels part of Europe. | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | These are difficult times, but you should not feel ashamed or sorry. This is not your fault. Democracy is not perfect and a lot less when there are not leaders. | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | I hope this decision makes Europe citizens reflect on what we want and how we want it. If we prefer staying together and stronger or alone and poor of spirit. To that end, we should bear in mind what happened in the '30s and '40s and decide if we want the past or the future. | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Regards, | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Álvaro | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | " So no chemistry court in London under the UPC. Well, well.... " | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Sad news. | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | A cynic might point out that a devalued pound just made UK firms a whole lot more competitive, at least for EPC and PCT related work. OHIM, sorry, EUIPO is a different story. | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:44 |
| schestowitz | " an no (or very little) UK representation before the UPC, no UK judges, probably a reduction in the number of cases before the High Court as the UK fades into insignificance. ' | Jun 24 20:46 |
| schestowitz | " Hear hear, IPKat. This Scottish practitioner is heartbroken. We didn't vote for this! " | Jun 24 20:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Surely, so far as the licensing of copyright-protected content is concerned, the headline is that nothing has changed. | Jun 24 20:46 |
| schestowitz | If you have some content that others are willing to pay for, then you can sell it. Of course, there are some interesting political and legal questions (which we can get paid to answer) but the bottom line is that a regulatory framework is just a blank sheet of paper. What matters is what you write on it. | Jun 24 20:46 |
| schestowitz | PS I realize that this is somewhat simplistic, but I trying to make a point, not write a treatise.... | Jun 24 20:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:46 |
| schestowitz | " We have to bear in mind there are so many non-IP issues that were relevant to Brexit. A lot of the UK population did not feel the benefits of being in the EU, and they expressed that. We cannot just 'persuade' people to vote a certain way by giving them lots of reasons which don't connect to their personal lives and circumstances. The EU institutions have not treated all their citizens well. That might not have been the EU's fault, but they | Jun 24 20:46 |
| schestowitz | must bear the consequences of not being able to benefit everyone. " | Jun 24 20:47 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Dear IPKat Team, | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | I was touched by your e-mail of this morning. | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | The outcome of the yesterday referendum is indeed very sad. | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | I was shocked this morning but at the same time I felt very sorry about all of us, including you living and working in the UK. In my perception, all Europeans (including the UK of course) have been taken hostage by a certain political elite who has abused the referendum for their own goals. It makes me angry that this has happened and that we were apparently unable to defend us against such unfriendly act. | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | I have to admit that I hated to see all these lawyer’s newsletters in past weeks which already speculated on the possible consequences for IP in the case of Brexit. It was a topic I did not want to think that it would happen and I was not amused that some used it to receive attention. It is sad enough that we have to talk about that topic in the near future. | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | I am also furious with politicians in our European countries who have often blamed Europe for something they were also involved in. They did not avoid in past years that a picture of the EU has been created which apparently was reason for enough people yesterday to vote the UK out of the EU. Neither on EU- nor on national level our “elites” have worked hard enough to make most citizen understand what makes the EU attractive and that it is | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | worth to work for its improvement given all the things which are criticized for good reasons. However, life is never perfect, neither in our world, nor in our countries nor in our municipalities not to talk about our personal life. Already the fact that we live in Europe already for decades in so much better conditions than our ancestors had to go through in Europe 70 years ago, 100 years ago and before should have been a striking argument | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | for the EU. Furthermore, we can maintain peace, economic welfare and open societies in a globalized world only together. Each of us alone will never succeed. | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | I am working in the field of IP for now 18 years and since then I have followed developments in the field of IP in Europe with great interest. It has always been very exciting and has enriched my professional life a lot. IP will remain a very important topic in Europe despite (and now also because of) Brexit. Therefore, in the future, there will be a lot of topics on which we have to work certainly many occasions to discuss them together. | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Our ways to influence politics are very limited but given the experiences of past weeks, we should perhaps use them more than before. However, this is certainly difficult given our dedications to our profession, families, friends etc. But we have everything in our hands to develop further our collaboration and friendships and make them sustainable whatever the future will bring. | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | I do not know whether it has been by accident or on purpose but today, our company cafeteria here in Germany has “fish and chips” for today’s lunch. This dish has been selected by quite a number of people including myself. | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | With best regards and wishes from the continent, | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Christian Schalk | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Dear "Roastbeef" of the ipkat Team a Froggy is writing here ! | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | I just wanted to publically tell you thank you for the great work of yours and reassure you that even in France (amazing hey?) you find many who are today like you sad, angry, ashamed. | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Bon courage and let us keep together tight since we are stronger together | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | PS: My name is not Battistelli | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | What I miss in this piece is the respect for the democratic vote of the majority of the people in your country. "The UK IP profession was in favour of remaining" - quite frankly, who cares about the IP profession?! Please note that you are only a privileged few far away from the problems that many "ordinary people" have, their lives are dominated by issues much more fundamental than such prophanities as IP rights. The fact that you do not | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | seem to even recognise this is very telling. | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | You should start realising that many people in your country doubt that the EU as it currently stands is a desirable project for the future. I personally can very well understand this, but, as a democrat, I also respect the opposite position. The latter is what you do not seem to be prepared doing. | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | What your "letter" really is about is your personal fear of losing influence following the "Brexit" decision. You seem to be so centered on your careers that everything else is meaningless, becoming marginalized probably being the worst thing you can imagine to happen to you. Because for you, it's only you what counts. | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Go out and start leading a meaningful life. Showing true respect and tolerance for other people's opinion and for the outcome of a democratic process might be a good point to start with. | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | ' | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | "I would just like to associate myself wholeheartedly with my former blogging colleagues' sentiments. Well said!' | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Sadness is not my predominant emotion at present. I am fucking furious. | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | This is the edited version of my views. | Jun 24 20:49 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Dear Colleagues and friends, | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Good news! The 6 nations will become the two nations, France against Italy. It gives us a chance to win. | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Apart from that, it seems to me that for our clients, the choice of the unitary patent could probably become tricky when they have their business on both sides of the Channel. | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Especially for these clients, I guess there will be some kind of uncertainty with decisions from the European Court of Justice that would apply on the continent but not in the UK. | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Of course this "leave" decision is of major importance. | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Is it a Kat-astroph? I don't think so. | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | First of all, English European patent attorneys will not become disqualified from the EEQ (although it could be an idea...). | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | More seriously, it means that democracy does exist. It's also a formidable chance for the continental Europe to hear this call and to build Europe on new grounds. | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | I am confident that the English will show once again their ability to invent and innovate all-out. | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | They are the masters of their fate, | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | They are the captain of their soul. | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | "One may or may not have shed a tear or two whilst reading this post. Having recently become enamored with IP in Europe, I am keen to see how Brexit pans out in relation to IP and indeed other laws like Data Protection and Immigration. I wonder though, did the IP community in UK (as a pressure group) actively campaign for 'remain'?" | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | "the people have spoken - that deserves some consideration. The content of British tabloids and media about EU does not. One reason for this disaster - and here I mean disaster for EU and UK alike, not just for IP professionals, Mr BBear - is the behavior of Brussels politicians, would have shown nothing but contempt for their constituents and for democracy. Another is the distorted picture of the EU construction that media and some national | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | politicians have given. Well done folks." | Jun 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/06/procedure-to-remove-board-of-appeal.html?showComment=1466782072133#c3295773228661213734 | Jun 24 20:51 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: Procedure to remove Board of Appeal member from office ends - after reports of attempts to nobble the Enlarged Board [ http://ur1.ca/pcuhk ] | Jun 24 20:51 | |
| schestowitz | " Quo-usque tandem! ' | Jun 24 20:51 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Dear BBear, | Jun 24 20:52 |
| schestowitz | You are either a tedious troll or a delusional UKIP-voter. Either way, we are not your most natural audience so please spare us. | Jun 24 20:52 |
| schestowitz | As it happens, I don't fear for the jobs or influence of IP practitioners (other vocations will likely be much worse affected). I am also absolutely sure that was not what lay behind the Kats' post - the letter was a genuine expression of sadness at the implications of a decision that has been made by a slender majority of the U.K. population, on an issue in respect of which the other 48% of the country (including, it would seem, the majority | Jun 24 20:52 |
| schestowitz | of IP professionals) strongly disagree. That is democracy, you say, but nonetheless it doesn't mean that we suddenly agree with the decision. | Jun 24 20:52 |
| schestowitz | As IP practitioners we are well aware of the difficulties with the European system, but most regard it as a price worth paying when compared to the other options. Sadly the 2-5+ year recession that you and the rest of the 52% have just inflicted on us all is the least of our worries. Let us hope that much worse does not follow. The prospects of immigration being cut (even if that was a valid objective in the first place) or inequality in | Jun 24 20:52 |
| schestowitz | society being righted, as a result of this decision, are minimal. The 52% have been sold a false hope. The better argument has lost. A terrible mistake has been made. | Jun 24 20:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:52 |
| schestowitz | "It is horrid to lose and anger for a while is understandable, of course, but the PM, as often, hit the right note this morning, accepting that a clear question had been given a clear answer and that we need to make the best of it. There are bigger issues than IP in the world, we must accept. It is no good complaining about the sixteen million fellow citizens who voted the 'wrong' way and it is foolish and condescending to suggest they are | Jun 24 20:52 |
| schestowitz | stupid or had not thought about it. That is what oligarchies do, and the root of the trouble is that the EU now looks like one of those. Europe, otherwise is wonderful." | Jun 24 20:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Mr Schalk, | Jun 24 20:52 |
| schestowitz | While agreeing in general, I'm not sure that a political elite has hijacked the processes. UKIP may have forced the issue onto Cameron, but at the end that was the people speaking and they have voted against the interests of what they perceive to be the elite. I would remain but the exit did not come from the 'elite' (sometimes dismissively and erroneously tarred as the 1%) but from the will of the left behind in Britain. That has been a | Jun 24 20:52 |
| schestowitz | consequence of ever increasing divisions in society. Effectively a peasants' revolt brought into the 21st century. | Jun 24 20:52 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:52 |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/06/dear-europe.html?showComment=1466789951523#c1290077030800623439 | Jun 24 20:53 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: Dear Europe... [ http://ur1.ca/pcuhx ] | Jun 24 20:53 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Let's not be too hasty in assuming that this decision is writ in stone. Yes, it is the will of the people, but the people are entitled to change their mind. There is nothing undemocratic in asking again if the facts have changed. The people might well change their minds once it is clear that the Brexit campaign was built on misrepresentation and that the reality is different, and catastrophic. | Jun 24 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Nothing at all has been done that is irreversible. That comes only when UK files an Art 50 notification. So no hurry. Lobby conservative MPs NOW to switch to Labour, and lobby Labour to replace Corbyn to encourage that, and then there is every chance of a no confidence vote in the (inevitably) Johnson conservative government in October. A new government can credibly call a new referendum before Scottish independence, before the troubles in | Jun 24 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Northern Ireland restart, and before the recession turns to depression. | Jun 24 20:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 20:53 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/cheezburgrmania/status/746440088771399680 | Jun 24 21:31 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@cheezburgrmania: @schestowitz No businesses around here with anything to lose would 'vote to exit' their O365/Outlook (just being honest) | Jun 24 21:31 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/bjornballard/status/746444590065065984 | Jun 24 21:50 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@bjornballard: And the loss of Britain's voice within the EU will not help get the much needed reforms https://t.co/C3xNKJ6GMz | Jun 24 21:50 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Unless we manage to 'fix' European institutions and demonstrate their civility and integrity to the public, the EU will certainly collapse | Jun 24 21:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KristianHarstad/status/746446694565437441 | Jun 24 22:00 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@KristianHarstad: @schestowitz I didn't think it was horrible at all - I was glad | Jun 24 22:00 | |
| schestowitz | But you are far away from here, no? | Jun 24 22:00 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/KristianHarstad/status/746448048079912960 | Jun 24 22:06 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@KristianHarstad: @schestowitz No, Roy, I'm in the UK. | Jun 24 22:06 | |
| schestowitz | Ah, OK, my bad... | Jun 24 22:06 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/746450504650268672 | Jun 24 22:13 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Sheikh_al_Touar: @schestowitz You'de better change the words "can lead" into "will lead" to disasters like #brexit ! ;) | Jun 24 22:13 | |
| schestowitz | Ah, nm, I rarely edit (i.e. delete) what I write in so-called 'social' media | Jun 24 22:13 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/746451538298740736 | Jun 24 22:18 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@AJimenez1988: We all know that cleaning up crufty code is easier than starting anew. Wait, what? https://t.co/3gkZS9mveF | Jun 24 22:18 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: "The EU is a mess but it is fixable. Breaking up the UK will be a bigger mess and it isn’t fixable." https://t.co/bXR1CWodCo #brexit #uk | Jun 24 22:18 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/cheezburgrmania/status/746455371007430656 | Jun 24 22:30 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@cheezburgrmania: @schestowitz regardless of the why/how, I have to think that English will be better off (long term) without that extra layer of govt | Jun 24 22:30 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/cheezburgrmania/status/746455684850425856 | Jun 24 22:32 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@cheezburgrmania: @schestowitz when you have a chance to peacefully take independence... don't you know we wanted it for our states in the US & still do | Jun 24 22:32 | |
| schestowitz | It's a single market arrangement, not an occupation by the EU | Jun 24 22:32 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/746455700298141696 | Jun 24 22:32 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Sheikh_al_Touar: @schestowitz It was more intended as a piece of reasoning rather then a request to change/edit your text. Keep writing the way you do! | Jun 24 22:33 | |
| schestowitz | I want to write more about the EPO, but need a break this week... from brexit | Jun 24 22:33 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/AnarchistDalek/status/746459064402591746 | Jun 24 22:57 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@AnarchistDalek: Is this really even a "bug" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) https://t.co/GeTcOB8RYM | Jun 24 22:57 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: A Bug in Chrome Makes It Easy to Download Movies https://t.co/Xd3YpsDhfZ | Jun 24 22:57 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/746460152107307008 | Jun 24 22:57 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@jurasick: I may be a bit "occupied" and unavailable this weekend! :) https://t.co/l88Qo4ei1C | Jun 24 22:57 | |
| schestowitz | http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2016/06/dear-europe.html?showComment=1466796889441#c1293264687683384145 | Jun 24 23:13 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | The IPKat: Dear Europe... | Jun 24 23:13 | |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 23:13 |
| schestowitz | I was hoping that the esteemed retired Tom Kat, Jeremy, might come out of retirement on this overwhelming occasion with something a bit more substantive than his brief posting that: | Jun 24 23:13 |
| schestowitz | "I would just like to associate myself wholeheartedly with my former blogging colleagues' sentiments. Well said! " | Jun 24 23:13 |
| schestowitz | We could use a bit more of his wisdom and erudition at this most interesting of times... | Jun 24 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Uncle Wiggily | Jun 24 23:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 24 23:13 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/StevePeers/status/746434366021210112 | Jun 24 23:16 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@StevePeers: @zoobab @je5perl How? The CJEU said explicitly that non-EU countries can't participate. | Jun 24 23:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/InteProperty/status/746438036175486977 | Jun 24 23:19 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@InteProperty: Apple Patents A Clever UI Trick For Using Your Phone With One Hand - https://t.co/4tH9MSaRAO (blog) https://t.co/e9hveagtjy | Jun 24 23:19 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> co.design | co.design | co.design | Jun 24 23:19 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes--> www.fastcodesign.com | Apple Patents A Clever UI Trick For Using Your Phone With One Hand | Co.Design | business + design | Jun 24 23:19 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/746467224509124610 | Jun 24 23:19 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@Sheikh_al_Touar: @KrapulaPhD @Twpalovi @Wikinaut @IlDrugo_ @patentbuddy @DavidBrooke_IP https://t.co/i8oqER8EFz | Jun 24 23:19 | |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@schestowitz: Let's create action group/s https://t.co/4Pn90dD5nj #ffii #techrights #april #eff etc. #upc #epo #swpats #europe | Jun 24 23:19 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/rbanffy/status/746472661883195396 | Jun 24 23:39 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-@rbanffy: @jeffpearlman @donaldtrump @schestowitz "fuckmuppet" :-) | Jun 24 23:39 | |
| schestowitz | > I'm not generally prone to understatement but this time I might say that | Jun 24 23:48 |
| schestowitz | > the recent decision might not be in the UK's best interest. | Jun 24 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Agreed. | Jun 24 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Jun 24 23:48 | |
| schestowitz | > The Oulu region might be something to consider but for the language issue. | Jun 24 23:48 |
| schestowitz | What would it be like for EU citizen (Germany) to immigrate there with non-EU spouse? | Jun 24 23:48 |
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| MinceR | >The UK has not voted [...] to elect a fascist government, | Jun 25 18:41 |
| MinceR | [citation needed] | Jun 25 18:41 |
| MinceR | >The British are not racists or xenophobes | Jun 25 18:41 |
| MinceR | [citation needed] | Jun 25 18:41 |
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| liberty_box | http://fossforce.com/2016/06/techright-roy-schestowitz-free-tech/#comments | Jun 25 23:02 |
| -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-fossforce.com | Techright's Roy Schestowitz on All Things Free Tech | FOSS Force | Jun 25 23:02 | |
| liberty_box | "Schestowitz is the worst kind of free software advocate, a zealot!" | Jun 25 23:03 |
| liberty_box | "That doesn’t mean he’s wrong. | Jun 25 23:03 |
| liberty_box | He’s right about a lot of stuff." | Jun 25 23:03 |
| liberty_box | Same things they say about RMS | Jun 25 23:03 |
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