IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: November 1st, 2015-November 7th, 2015

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msb_	schestowitz: This entire "Twitch" procedure seems to be designed to make installing Linux as difficult and failure-prone as possible. You said before that hackaday is anti-Linux. Maybe it would be better not to mention "Twitch", or if you do, say it's anti-Linux and give the previous evidence for that.	Nov 01 01:48
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/pixeldyne_sys/status/660670469951983620	Nov 01 01:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pixeldyne_sys: @schestowitz Cybercloud Security for the Information Superhighway :)		Nov 01 01:27
schestowitz	msb_: agreed	Nov 01 01:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Allwinner A10 DRM Display Support Being Worked	Nov 01 01:28
TweetTuxMachines	On https://t.co/CMS5mNHn2H (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 01 01:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Allwinner A10 DRM Display Support Being Worked On - Phoronix		Nov 01 01:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Thoughts on the LG G Watch R Android smartwatch	Nov 01 01:28
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/spSQhopD7t (www.earth.li)	Nov 01 01:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.earth.li \| Thoughts on the LG G Watch R Android smartwatch		Nov 01 01:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Frameworks keeps proving that KDE project was	Nov 01 01:34
TweetTuxMachines	right https://t.co/21JShJvcOG	Nov 01 01:34
TweetTuxMachines	(www.heliocastro.info)	Nov 01 01:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.heliocastro.info \| Frameworks keeps proving that KDE project was right \| Helio Castro Personal Space		Nov 01 01:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines An Introduction to Uncomplicated Firewall (UFW)	Nov 01 01:34
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/exa7wsQqTj (www.linux.com)	Nov 01 01:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com \| An Introduction to Uncomplicated Firewall (UFW) \| Linux.com		Nov 01 01:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Are The Open-Source Graphics Drivers Good	Nov 01 01:34
TweetTuxMachines	Enough For Steam Linux Gaming?	Nov 01 01:34
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/NJxKtnHxtZ (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 01 01:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Are The Open-Source Graphics Drivers Good Enough For Steam Linux Gaming? - Phoronix		Nov 01 01:34
schestowitz	"probly"	Nov 01 01:35
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6764831	Nov 01 01:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #nsa still above and beyond the law http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/29/nsa-phone-surveillance-usa-freedom-act-transition http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/29/nsa_one_more_month_illegal_spying/ http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/10/29/us-usa-security-nsa-idUKKCN0SN1VI20151029 http://uk.businessinsider.com/r-us-wont-halt-nsa-phone-spying-program-ahead-of-ban-2015-10?r=US&IR=T		Nov 01 01:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com \| US court refuses to stop NSA phone surveillance during 180-day 'transition' \| US news \| The Guardian		Nov 01 01:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theregister.co.uk \| NSA can keep illegally spying on Americans into November • The Register		Nov 01 01:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> uk.reuters.com \| U.S. court will not halt NSA phone spy program before ban \| Reuters		Nov 01 01:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> uk.businessinsider.com \| US court won't speed up the end of NSA phone spying - Business Insider		Nov 01 01:35
schestowitz	"explain, or link svp"	Nov 01 01:35
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6766709	Nov 01 01:35
schestowitz	Didn't see an article, but they did this to my wife last night...	Nov 01 01:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #google is now forcing (hostage situation/ransom) to consent to new #privacy violating policy or be denied access to #chromeOS i.e. one's PC		Nov 01 01:36
msb_	schestowitz: cubexyz: Can google shut down chromebooks/boxes remotely against the owner's wishes?	Nov 01 01:40
*TweetTuxMachines @Veekz_ favourited 'Are The Open-Source Graphics Drivers Good Enough For...'		Nov 01 01:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Meet the man behind CarPlay and Android Auto at	Nov 01 01:42
TweetTuxMachines	GM https://t.co/qmSbZt8I4G (www.theverge.com)	Nov 01 01:42
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com \| Meet the man behind CarPlay and Android Auto at GM \| The Verge		Nov 01 01:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MPV 0.12.0 Video Player Changes the Default	Nov 01 01:43
TweetTuxMachines	Format for youtube-dl, Supports Wayland	Nov 01 01:43
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/9yVaBnQGRR (news.softpedia.com)	Nov 01 01:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| MPV 0.12.0 Video Player Changes the Default Format for youtube-dl, Supports Wayland - Softpedia		Nov 01 01:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CPU/GPU Usage Between NVIDIA & AMD Linux	Nov 01 01:47
TweetTuxMachines	Drivers	Nov 01 01:47
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/D3vYr4LZca (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 01 01:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| CPU/GPU Usage Between NVIDIA & AMD Linux Drivers - Phoronix		Nov 01 01:47
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'MPV 0.12.0 Video Player Changes the Default Format...'		Nov 01 01:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23 Reaches Gold, Launches on November 3	Nov 01 01:50
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/HcP8dfCjSC (linux.softpedia.com)	Nov 01 01:50
TweetTuxMachines	#f23	Nov 01 01:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Fedora 23 Reaches Gold, Launches on November 3 - Softpedia		Nov 01 01:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Importance of Open Source in Root	Nov 01 01:50
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/U226gyDF7U	Nov 01 01:50
TweetTuxMachines	(www.xda-developers.com)	Nov 01 01:50
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/4Y0ovS2wz6 (www.androidpolice.com)	Nov 01 01:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.xda-developers.com \| The Importance of Open Source in Root - XDA Forums		Nov 01 01:50
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/vXKiKbBKVR	Nov 01 01:50
TweetTuxMachines	(www.androidauthority.com)	Nov 01 01:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpolice.com \| Chainfire Experiment Achieves Android Root Without Touching The /System Partition		Nov 01 01:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com \| Chainfire cooks up "systemless" Marshmallow root		Nov 01 01:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines AMD Stoney APU Support Is Going Into The Linux	Nov 01 01:50
TweetTuxMachines	4.4 Kernel https://t.co/0pspvX1ndL	Nov 01 01:50
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Nov 01 01:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| AMD Stoney APU Support Is Going Into The Linux 4.4 Kernel - Phoronix		Nov 01 01:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google needs to change 2 major things in its	Nov 01 01:55
TweetTuxMachines	radical reimagining of Android	Nov 01 01:55
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/otLZcS4OYD (www.techinsider.io)	Nov 01 01:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techinsider.io \| Google Android apps and security on Chromebook - Tech Insider		Nov 01 01:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines iOS 9 vs. Android 6 – Which Operating System	Nov 01 01:56
TweetTuxMachines	Rules? https://t.co/b9Eu068c6c	Nov 01 01:56
TweetTuxMachines	(www.valuewalk.com)	Nov 01 01:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.valuewalk.com \| iOS 9 vs. Android 6 - Which Operating System Rules?		Nov 01 01:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines My ARM grab bag device list	Nov 01 01:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/WaojAKIA0S (nullr0ute.com) arm on	Nov 01 01:56
TweetTuxMachines	the rise. With Linux....	Nov 01 01:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nullr0ute.com \| My ARM grab bag device list \| nullr0ute's blog		Nov 01 01:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Wear on iPhone Review: 2 Months Later	Nov 01 01:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/5ixoGumBoU (www.gottabemobile.com)	Nov 01 01:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gottabemobile.com \| Android Wear on iPhone Review: 2 Months Later		Nov 01 01:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google Android for Work Update Aims to Make	Nov 01 01:56
TweetTuxMachines	Mobile Device Set-Up Easy	Nov 01 01:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/5rqidr6fU7 (www.eweek.com)	Nov 01 01:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eweek.com \| Google Android for Work Update Aims to Make Mobile Device Set-Up Easy		Nov 01 01:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Puzzle Platformer 'Adventures Of Shuggy'	Nov 01 01:56
TweetTuxMachines	Released For Linux On Steam	Nov 01 01:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/AkVIFnvcie (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Nov 01 01:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Puzzle Platformer 'Adventures Of Shuggy' Released For Linux On Steam \| GamingOnLinux		Nov 01 01:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel Is Working On Linux Encryption For AVX2	Nov 01 01:56
TweetTuxMachines	CPUs, Up To 5.8x Throughput	Nov 01 01:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/VfS864XGWl (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 01 01:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Intel Is Working On Faster Linux Encryption For AVX2 CPUs, Up To 5.8x Throughput - Phoronix		Nov 01 01:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.3 Is Near With Its Polished Intel	Nov 01 01:56
TweetTuxMachines	Skylake Support & More https://t.co/ObVvbjZxKl	Nov 01 01:56
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Nov 01 01:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Linux 4.3 Is Near With Its Polished Intel Skylake Support & More - Phoronix		Nov 01 01:56
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*TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Linux 4.3 Is Near With Its Polished Intel...'		Nov 01 02:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Vendetta Online 1.8.357-358 update is here	Nov 01 02:03
TweetTuxMachines	for... Android, GNU/Linux"	Nov 01 02:03
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/VzBoEGynYR (news.softpedia.com)	Nov 01 02:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Vendetta Online 3D Space Combat Game Gets Halloween Release with Many Android Fixes - Softpedia		Nov 01 02:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Size Of The Different Open-Source Linux	Nov 01 02:03
TweetTuxMachines	DRM/Mesa Graphics Drivers	Nov 01 02:03
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/YnpyzZM5pk (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 01 02:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| The Size Of The Different Open-Source Linux DRM/Mesa Graphics Drivers - Phoronix		Nov 01 02:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Want To Be A Fisherman? #FishingPlanet Is	Nov 01 02:09
TweetTuxMachines	Planning A Linux Release	Nov 01 02:09
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/B6nKvtKdk4 (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Nov 01 02:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Want To Be A Fisherman? Fishing Planet Is Planning A Linux Release \| GamingOnLinux		Nov 01 02:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GENIVI compliant Linux automotive stack does	Nov 01 02:09
TweetTuxMachines	ADAS https://t.co/lU9ApTEPh9 (linuxgizmos.com)	Nov 01 02:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| GENIVI compliant Linux automotive stack does ADAS · LinuxGizmos.com		Nov 01 02:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23 packages now live	Nov 01 02:09
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/mTFQcQKSL7 (negativo17.org)	Nov 01 02:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-negativo17.org \| Fedora 23 packages now live \| negativo17		Nov 01 02:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 31/10/2015: Twitch's Arch Linux	Nov 01 02:44
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Challenge, GNOME 3.19.1 https://t.co/RXFkOEWaWL	Nov 01 02:44
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz (techrights.org)	Nov 01 02:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 31/10/2015: Twitch’s Arch Linux Challenge, GNOME 3.19.1 \| Techrights		Nov 01 02:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GENIVI compliant Linux automotive stack does	Nov 01 02:44
TweetTuxMachines	ADAS https://t.co/G918a6Fn2d	Nov 01 02:44
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 01 02:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GENIVI compliant Linux automotive stack does ADAS \| Tux Machines		Nov 01 02:44
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited '"Vendetta Online 1.8.357-358 update is here for... ...'		Nov 01 04:14
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msb_	Yay! My Babylon 5 DVDs (bought many years ago) work great. (At least the first one does.) I have complete control using mplayer.	Nov 01 06:55
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msb_	A hundred hours of escape from reality!	Nov 01 06:56
msb_	ISIL says they shot down that Russian airliner, but shoulder-launched SAMs can't reach that high. So their claim is being denied. But maybe the Saudis or Turks gave them a truck-mounted one that can.	Nov 01 07:00
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cubexyz	busybox removes systemd support	Nov 01 09:26
cubexyz	finally some sanity	Nov 01 09:27
msb_	Is busybox used in desktop distros?	Nov 01 09:28
cubexyz	all the really compact distros use it	Nov 01 09:29
XRevan86	busybox removes socket activation from built-in syslogd.	Nov 01 09:29
cubexyz	BL3, tinycore, probably other ones	Nov 01 09:30
msb_	So Raspberry Pi's and such are safe.	Nov 01 09:31
XRevan86	It'll probably still won't break though.	Nov 01 09:32
msb_	Well, anyhow, it's good that _somebody_ has rejected systemd.	Nov 01 09:32
XRevan86	Practically, nothing changed at all.	Nov 01 09:32
cubexyz	ttylinux is another one	Nov 01 09:32
msb_	A guy in the #debianfork channel told me that most people there think (as I do) that the purpose of systemd is to sneak in a backdoor to kill Linux computers.	Nov 01 09:35
msb_	By the US govt.	Nov 01 09:36
cubexyz	well when Theo Ts'o has trouble understanding policykit and he's an MIT grad in his 40's and a computer expert...	Nov 01 09:39
msb_	It's the only reason anyone would push this insane complexity onto the Linux world: http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/	Nov 01 09:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.darknedgy.net \| Structural and semantic deficiencies in the systemd architecture for real-world service management, a technical treatise		Nov 01 09:40
cubexyz	there's been some pretty strange statements made about Debian	Nov 01 09:42
cubexyz	Julian Assange said Debian is owned by the NSA	Nov 01 09:42
cubexyz	now, I have no idea if that's true or not	Nov 01 09:42
cubexyz	probably not :)	Nov 01 09:43
cubexyz	the internet and all, you can't trust every statement	Nov 01 09:43
cubexyz	is it possible that Linux is being attacked? definitely	Nov 01 09:44
cubexyz	NSA asked Linus to put backdoors in Linux	Nov 01 09:45
msb_	https://lwn.net/Articles/658809/ http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/10/09/179253/debian-dropping-linux-standard-base	Nov 01 09:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lwn.net \| Debian dropping the Linux Standard Base [LWN.net]		Nov 01 09:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.slashdot.org \| Debian Dropping Linux Standard Base - Slashdot		Nov 01 09:49
msb_	Fucking up Linux even worse, again for no reason.	Nov 01 09:50
cubexyz	well that's why the fork exists	Nov 01 09:50
msb_	But Devuan depends mostly on the Debian repos. So this may be an effort to make it harder for Devuan to create a good Linux.	Nov 01 09:52
cubexyz	anyone can make their own distro	Nov 01 09:52
cubexyz	I suspect we will continue to see that	Nov 01 09:52
msb_	See diagram at the bottom of the page: https://www.devuan.org/	Nov 01 09:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.devuan.org \| Devuan GNU/Linux - Debian without systemd.		Nov 01 09:53
msb_	Making a Linux distro requires a great deal of work if it incorporates up-to-date software. "Anyone" can _not_ do it.	Nov 01 09:54
XRevan86	How many LSB-compliant distros is there left?	Nov 01 09:54
XRevan86	https://linuxbase.org/lsb-cert/productdir.php?by_lsb	Nov 01 09:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxbase.org \| LSB Certification System - Product Directory		Nov 01 09:56
cubexyz	msb_, anyone can take an old distro and upgrade parts as necessary	Nov 01 09:56
cubexyz	they don't have to start from stratch	Nov 01 09:57
XRevan86	List of LSB-compliant distributions: RHEL, Oracle Linux and some old stuff.	Nov 01 09:57
cubexyz	just upgrade the stuff you need	Nov 01 09:57
msb_	cubexyz: To make a Linux distro suitable for most people that means building hundreds of apps and system programs and their libraries and testing them all. Because most people don't want to build stuff or don't know how.	Nov 01 10:00
msb_	That's why for a useful up-to-date Linux, Devuan is starting from up-to-date Debian.	Nov 01 10:01
msb_	The vast majority of people want an OS that just works.	Nov 01 10:02
cubexyz	people can't just do nothing and hope things turn out well	Nov 01 10:03
msb_	And includes all modern apps and the latest versions of system stuff like Python and Ruby.	Nov 01 10:03
cubexyz	it takes action	Nov 01 10:03
XRevan86	cubexyz: And GNU/Linux is understaffed.	Nov 01 10:03
cubexyz	someone has to do the work	Nov 01 10:03
XRevan86	and not to do the work nobody needs	Nov 01 10:03
msb_	cubexyz: You keep that most people have your abilities. They don't.	Nov 01 10:03
XRevan86	Like… LSB support.	Nov 01 10:04
XRevan86	With time is keeps getting less and less important.	Nov 01 10:04
msb_	Yes, as LInux gets more and more messed up until it becomes useless crap. And that's what the world rulers -- the US, EU, UK, Israel -- want.	Nov 01 10:05
msb_	Because Linux enables the people of the world to expose and talk about the evil that the rulers are doing, and to organize against it.	Nov 01 10:06
cubexyz	just stockpile the distros you like for future use	Nov 01 10:08
XRevan86	msb_: LSB is good for proprietary of enterprise programs but…	Nov 01 10:09
XRevan86	they like to not care about LSB and make programs Ubuntu-compliant or RHEL-compliant.	Nov 01 10:09
msb_	LSB adherence makes it much easier to write and maintain apps, because they can rely on consistent APIs and placement of files across various distros.	Nov 01 10:09
XRevan86	msb_: And in FOSS programs this is not actually important.	Nov 01 10:10
XRevan86	> and placement of files across various distros	Nov 01 10:10
XRevan86	FHS	Nov 01 10:10
msb_	cubexyz: Not practical for most people.	Nov 01 10:10
msb_	FHS is part of LSB.	Nov 01 10:11
XRevan86	LSB includes FHS	Nov 01 10:11
XRevan86	msb_: Debian didn't drop FHS if that's what you mean.	Nov 01 10:11
XRevan86	nearly all distros honour FHS while caring not about LSB	Nov 01 10:12
msb_	Who knows? But it's dropping other parts of LSB.	Nov 01 10:12
msb_	This is another sabotage attack on Linux.	Nov 01 10:12
XRevan86	msb_: Show me a distro that does care about LSB.	Nov 01 10:12
msb_	https://software.opensuse.org/package/lsb	Nov 01 10:16
cubexyz	SUSE Linux is LSB 4.1 certified	Nov 01 10:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-software.opensuse.org \| software.opensuse.org:		Nov 01 10:16
XRevan86	cubexyz: SUSE Linux Enterprise 11 is	Nov 01 10:16
XRevan86	SUSE Linux Enterprise 12 isn't	Nov 01 10:16
XRevan86	openSUSE isn't	Nov 01 10:16
msb_	Necessary files and dependencies for the Linux Standard Base (LSB) Core.	Nov 01 10:17
XRevan86	$ lsb_release	Nov 01 10:17
XRevan86	LSB Version:n/a	Nov 01 10:17
XRevan86	Description:openSUSE Tumbleweed (20151022) (x86_64)	Nov 01 10:17
cubexyz	seems that a lot of the Asian Linux distros are LSB certified	Nov 01 10:19
msb_	XRevan86: Do you want Linux to be churned and fucked up? You like systemd despite its horrendous internal complexity that makes it impossible to troubleshoot.	Nov 01 10:20
XRevan86	msb_: I'm just saying, it hasn't start with Debian.	Nov 01 10:20
XRevan86	People use distros like Debian, Ubuntu, Gentoo, Arch Linux, openSUSE, Fedora, Mageia…	Nov 01 10:21
XRevan86	and only Debian has been LSB compliant in this list	Nov 01 10:22
msb_	Yes, and with one network packet the govt can kill them all.	Nov 01 10:22
XRevan86	Of course, nobody bothers about making programs according to LSB, people make them so they will work on most GNU/Linux distros instead.	Nov 01 10:22
XRevan86	That's how it turned out.	Nov 01 10:23
XRevan86	No FSF approved distro supports LSB, by the way.	Nov 01 10:24
msb_	Every sabotage attack -- systemd, non-adherence to LSB, KDE4/5 -- helps change Linux from a simple, friendly, universal operating system to a fucked-up mess that will end up no better than Windows.	Nov 01 10:25
XRevan86	except for gNewSense, I guess	Nov 01 10:25
XRevan86	because Debian 7 based	Nov 01 10:25
msb_	XRevan86: And as long as you think systemd is ok, you will never understand that.	Nov 01 10:27
XRevan86	msb_: ugh, I clearly see who sabotaged LSB	Nov 01 10:27
XRevan86	msb_: You know who?	Nov 01 10:27
XRevan86	GNU/Linux developers and GNU/Linux users, that's who.	Nov 01 10:28
XRevan86	all of them	Nov 01 10:28
XRevan86	all of us	Nov 01 10:28
msb_	Bullshit. Users don't influence anything.	Nov 01 10:28
XRevan86	msb_: Users never cared about LSB compliance of their distros.	Nov 01 10:29
XRevan86	msb_: When I told you about Void Linux, have you asked me whether it is LSB compliant?	Nov 01 10:29
XRevan86	(because it is not, obviously)	Nov 01 10:29
msb_	They never even heard of it. It's up to the distro devs/admins to adhere to standards.	Nov 01 10:29
XRevan86	msb_: Most of them did.	Nov 01 10:29
XRevan86	msb_: Ask some Gentoo users, what they think about that Gentoo doesn't support LSB.	Nov 01 10:30
msb_	XRevan86: What is your point? Are you saying that adherence to good software engineering principles and standards like LSB aren't important? That seems to be what you're saying, and you are dead wrong.	Nov 01 10:31
XRevan86	msb_: What I'm saying is that LSB for years of its existence, never achieved a goal it supposed to.	Nov 01 10:33
msb_	It's up to the distro devs/admins to adhere to standards and Unix principles. Because if they don't, and Linux effectively dies, then the Fascists may win and the human race will die as well.	Nov 01 10:34
cubexyz	it's really under the control of the distro maintainers	Nov 01 10:34
cubexyz	someone has to act as the leader and say "This is the direction we are going in"	Nov 01 10:35
msb_	Yes, and nobody knows why they've all adopted systemd.	Nov 01 10:35
msb_	I think it's bribery and threats carefully tailored to influential people in each distro.	Nov 01 10:36
msb_	There are many many examples of bribery in industry that never gets exposed unless some whistleblower does it or there's an investigation with subpoena power.	Nov 01 10:37
msb_	The CIA and other govt agencies are masters of this sort of corruption.	Nov 01 10:38
msb_	They did it all through the 20th century.	Nov 01 10:39
cubexyz	I think busybox has it's own simplified init	Nov 01 10:39
msb_	To entire governments of nations.	Nov 01 10:39
cubexyz	there's simplified X server as well	Nov 01 10:44
cubexyz	although I don't think anyone has touched the code in quite some time	Nov 01 10:44
cubexyz	well everyone saw the NSA Ant Catalog, so some paranoia is justified	Nov 01 10:57
cubexyz	here's what I use currently:	Nov 01 10:58
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/non-systemd-distros-i-use.txt	Nov 01 10:58
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cubexyz	no government can erase all of those	Nov 01 10:59
cubexyz	Basic Linux 3 uses busybox so init is built-in	Nov 01 10:59
cubexyz	keep watching distrowatch and stockpile the distros	Nov 01 11:03
cubexyz	use what you like, discard what you don't	Nov 01 11:04
cubexyz	remember that the BSD's exist	Nov 01 11:06
msb_	We need a solution for everyone, not just for us experts.	Nov 01 11:08
cubexyz	chromeos is probably the easiest	Nov 01 11:09
cubexyz	you buy a chromebook, it's cheap, you got chromeos preloaded	Nov 01 11:09
cubexyz	better than the alternative of getting windows 10 by far	Nov 01 11:09
msb_	We heard earlier today that google will kill chromeos unless the user agrees to its new privacy standards.	Nov 01 11:10
msb_	If so, it's no better than systemd or windows.	Nov 01 11:11
cubexyz	they might have a remote kill for stolen chromebooks	Nov 01 11:13
cubexyz	not sure about that	Nov 01 11:13
cubexyz	you do have a link about it?	Nov 01 11:13
cubexyz	there's no anti-theft or Intel Vpro technology in the Intel Celeron 2955U, the CPU my chromebook uses	Nov 01 11:50
cubexyz	other ones, maybe... I haven't checked them	Nov 01 11:51
cubexyz	no intel boot guard either	Nov 01 11:51
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msb_	schestowitz mentioned it in a tweet, but had no ref.	Nov 01 12:05
msb_	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6766709 #google is now forcing (hostage situation/ransom) to consent to new #privacy violating policy or be denied access to #chromeOS i.e. one’s PC -- Dr. Roy Schestowitz. <schestowitz> Didn't see an article, but they did this to my wife last night...	Nov 01 12:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #google is now forcing (hostage situation/ransom) to consent to new #privacy violating policy or be denied access to #chromeOS i.e. one's PC		Nov 01 12:09
msb_	quoted from about 10 hours ago, give or take for daylight saving time switchover.	Nov 01 12:12
msb_	Should have put quotes around all of that.	Nov 01 12:15
msb_	If they have a remote kill, it doesn't matter why they have it.	Nov 01 12:17
msb_	Evil! Pure and simple, from the Eighth Dimension!	Nov 01 12:18
msb_	-- The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai (1984) Superbly funny and clever sci-fi movie. Highly recommended.	Nov 01 12:20
msb_	"We are not in the Eighth dimension, we are over New Jersey."	Nov 01 12:26
amarsh04	I've seen that movie at least twice	Nov 01 13:00
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msb_	cubexyz: If chromebooks/boxes already come with a known intrusion/kill mechanism that google, and certainly the government, can use, then they are the _last_ computers to recommend to people. Unless you insist that they remove chromeos and install some kind of Linux, if that's possible. But didn't I read somewhere that those machines automatically reinstall chromeos if they die?	Nov 01 15:45
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cubexyz	there is a lock if your chromebook is deployed as enterprise or education	Nov 01 15:51
cubexyz	mine is neither... just plain regular chromeos	Nov 01 15:51
cubexyz	lost enterprise/educational chromebooks can be locked remotely... after they are reported stolen	Nov 01 15:52
cubexyz	one can KO the firmware and the OS if they want	Nov 01 15:54
cubexyz	if chromeos gets corrupted you can perform a factory reset	Nov 01 15:58
cubexyz	one can build their own coreboot firmware too	Nov 01 16:00
cubexyz	anyone can git clone coreboot and check out the code	Nov 01 16:05
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cubexyz	we did have BIOS source ages ago... but AMI, Phoenix, and others came into the picture and everything was closed	Nov 01 16:30
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msb_	cubexyz: What determines whether a chromebook is enterprise/education or regular? A difference in BIOS code?	Nov 01 19:03
cubexyz	there's this:	Nov 01 19:07
cubexyz	https://support.google.com/chrome/a/answer/1360534?hl=en	Nov 01 19:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-support.google.com \| Enroll Chrome devices - Chrome for Work and Education Help		Nov 01 19:07
cubexyz	you have to opt into it	Nov 01 19:09
msb_	cubexyz: Will every Linux run on chromebook/box?	Nov 01 19:39
cubexyz	doubtful	Nov 01 19:39
cubexyz	given enough effort yes, but it's optimized for debian and ubuntu via crouton	Nov 01 19:39
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cubexyz	pharma spam alert on tuxmachines... this is a level 10 alert	Nov 02 11:53
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cubexyz	you know, I remember the Brand Systems had bundling with MS-DOS but really I always bought whitebox PCs all the way back to 1986	Nov 02 13:15
cubexyz	they just "preloaded" copies of stuff on the hard drive to get you started	Nov 02 13:15
cubexyz	it was IBM and Amstrad and Commodore that bundled on there PCs	Nov 02 13:16
cubexyz	s/there/their/	Nov 02 13:16
msb_	cubexyz: " <cubexyz> pharma spam alert on tuxmachines... this is a level 10 alert " What??? Are the missiles flying?	Nov 02 13:18
cubexyz	no missiles	Nov 02 13:18
cubexyz	just pharma spam	Nov 02 13:19
cubexyz	tuxmachines needs to moderate more	Nov 02 13:19
msb_	Looks like it doesn't moderate at all.	Nov 02 13:22
msb_	But I think Level 10 Alert is reserved for an ELE.	Nov 02 13:25
msb_	Where Téa Leoni commits suicide in order to briefly reconcile with her estranged father. That movie made a deep impact on me. Yecch!	Nov 02 13:36
msb_	And (I'm just rambling here) the second season of her TV series Madame Secretary is all about how evil Russia is. Scripts written by the US govt to negate Russia's success in fighting ISIL, which is supported by the US, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Israel.	Nov 02 13:40
msb_	WiFi/AI Barbie Doll! http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/hell-no-barbie-a-campaign-spreading-awareness-about-hello-barbie-a-new-doll-with-big-brother-ish-capabilities/	Nov 02 13:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-vigilantcitizen.com \| "Hell No Barbie" Campaign Warns About "Hello Barbie", a New Doll With Big Brother-ish Capabilities - The Vigilant Citizen		Nov 02 13:46
cubexyz	did you know the NT4 kernel was all in C? there's no C++	Nov 02 13:48
cubexyz	usermod stuff seems mostly C++	Nov 02 13:49
cubexyz	usermode	Nov 02 13:50
msb_	Russians again?	Nov 02 13:50
cubexyz	could be, this guy's first name was Igor :)	Nov 02 13:51
msb_	Not that anyone would want to compile and run Windows, but it would be interesting if MS stole any GPLed code and used it secretly.	Nov 02 13:54
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cubexyz	it's very bloated	Nov 02 14:00
cubexyz	M$ was clever, there is the MSDN Academic Alliance	Nov 02 14:05
cubexyz	Professors can see the source code of windows provided they sign an agreement that says but any changes/additions they make become the property of Microsoft	Nov 02 14:06
cubexyz	s/but//	Nov 02 14:07
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FreiheitExpert/status/660718187508449280 https://twitter.com/FreiheitExpert/status/660718285499990017 https://twitter.com/FreiheitExpert/status/660718345059102721	Nov 02 15:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FreiheitExpert: @schestowitz I cannot retweet this.		Nov 02 15:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FreiheitExpert: So I am wondering how this plays out for academic libraries.... https://t.co/9of8lQ7Gx3		Nov 02 15:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Library of Congress issues exemptions to #DMCA anti-circumvention provisions but leaves users without full control https://t.co/hgYHQfweyg		Nov 02 15:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FreiheitExpert: @schestowitz Nevermind I can now...		Nov 02 15:32
schestowitz	Good, I was out of Town until tonight... hence could not reply	Nov 02 15:33
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/660818195859812353	Nov 02 15:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz going to try Deepin. They don’t have a BitTorrent link so best to look for a mirror nearby. Default link is very slow.		Nov 02 15:34
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/660823467869257728	Nov 02 15:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz Just about what I'd expect for a proprietary operating system designed to be inextricably linked to proprietary services.		Nov 02 15:35
schestowitz	Yes, well, but what when the laptop user does not use it as Google intended (e.g. dual boot)?	Nov 02 15:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/RamiSilawi/status/660841530488418304	Nov 02 15:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamiSilawi: .@schestowitz Tried #Chromixium? OpenBox + Ubuntu LTS + Chrome(ium) launchers and app menu.		Nov 02 15:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/tonycalhoun00/status/660879213831061504	Nov 02 15:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tonycalhoun00: @schestowitz @jeremycline1975 some of it is just a grudge against a type of individual		Nov 02 15:36
schestowitz	Yes, with justification as afterthought	Nov 02 15:36
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/laurelrusswurm/status/660916421778653186	Nov 02 15:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@laurelrusswurm: @schestowitz That awkward moment... https://t.co/do4E6hfRC0 #england #CivilRights #privacy #SurveillanceState https://t.co/AObMb6DVsp		Nov 02 15:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.sunnation.co.uk \| Theresa May will refuse to allow judges to sign off spying warrants - Sun Nation		Nov 02 15:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@laurelrusswurm: @schestowitz That awkward moment... https://t.co/do4E6hfRC0 #england #CivilRights #privacy #SurveillanceState https://t.co/AObMb6DVsp		Nov 02 15:37
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/660939655215513600	Nov 02 15:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Martin Rowson on Theresa May’s snooper’s charter @schestowitz https://t.co/x6M7RF7QTj		Nov 02 15:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com \| Martin Rowson on Theresa May’s snooper’s charter - cartoon \| Comment is free \| The Guardian		Nov 02 15:37
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schestowitz	Came back after two days in #AltonTowers wondering if #gchq also intercepts all rides' photos, like it does Angry Bird etc. (collect it all)	Nov 02 15:38
schestowitz	http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2015/nov/01/martin-rowson-on-theresa-mays-snoopers-charter-cartoon	Nov 02 15:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| Martin Rowson on Theresa May’s snooper’s charter - cartoon \| Comment is free \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/o86gm ]		Nov 02 15:40
schestowitz	It was a 1k key, it's too weak now, new one is 4k	Nov 02 15:41
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/lohphat/status/661233091193602049	Nov 02 15:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lohphat: @schestowitz @mattburgess1 Conservatives don't like others talking behind their back. They have power, they want all of yours too.		Nov 02 15:41
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ProfPearce/status/661256489986686976	Nov 02 15:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ProfPearce: Useful? Preempetive strikes on #3dprinting #patenttrolls https://t.co/N0wrZrxge8 @killpatenttroll @EFF @schestowitz https://t.co/uuxOrrlQ1r		Nov 02 15:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.academia.edu \| A Novel Approach to Obviousness: An Algorithm for Identifying Prior Art Concerning 3-D Printing Materials \| Joshua Pearce - Academia.edu		Nov 02 15:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ProfPearce: Useful? Preempetive strikes on #3dprinting #patenttrolls https://t.co/N0wrZrxge8 @killpatenttroll @EFF @schestowitz https://t.co/uuxOrrlQ1r		Nov 02 15:42
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jeremycline1975/status/661282476615147520	Nov 02 15:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jeremycline1975: @schestowitz @tonycalhoun00 Absolutely right.		Nov 02 15:44
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jeremycline1975/status/661283841198432256	Nov 02 15:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jeremycline1975: @schestowitz @tonycalhoun00 And they've been smart enough to crowd-source the surveillance and "evidence" gathering.		Nov 02 15:51
schestowitz	Externalising the damage	Nov 02 15:51
schestowitz	[06:40] <msb_> schestowitz: cubexyz: Can google shut down chromebooks/boxes remotely against the owner's wishes?	Nov 02 15:52
schestowitz	Can brick it	Nov 02 15:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DJI uses Linux for drones	Nov 02 16:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/seerb7nzcO (techcrunch.com)	Nov 02 16:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/ENOCJQ9Ttb (www.pcworld.com)	Nov 02 16:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com \| DJI Teams Up With Canonical To Launch Embedded Computer For Drones \| TechCrunch		Nov 02 16:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/1HXblBtscp (toxcy.com)	Nov 02 16:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o86tl	Nov 02 16:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com \| This hardware development platform can fly -- literally \| PCWorld		Nov 02 16:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com \| DJI wants you to build sentient drones with its tiny computer		Nov 02 16:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-toxcy.com \| DJI Manifold computer is meant to control a drone \| Toxcy		Nov 02 16:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Inside Canonical: the creators of Ubuntu have	Nov 02 16:49
TweetTuxMachines	big plans for the future	Nov 02 16:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/zbxUVT58Sn (www.alphr.com)	Nov 02 16:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o86tm	Nov 02 16:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.alphr.com \| Inside Canonical: the creators of Ubuntu have big plans for the future \| Alphr		Nov 02 16:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Keeping Linux Clean https://t.co/x7IY0Mvvg0	Nov 02 16:49
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 02 16:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o86tn	Nov 02 16:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Keeping Linux Clean \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 16:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New DJI drone computer runs Ubuntu on Tegra,	Nov 02 16:49
TweetTuxMachines	has open SDK https://t.co/Oe1YPvU9Ix	Nov 02 16:49
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o86tp	Nov 02 16:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| New DJI drone computer runs Ubuntu on Tegra, has open SDK \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 16:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Inside Canonical: the creators of Ubuntu have	Nov 02 16:50
TweetTuxMachines	big plans for the future	Nov 02 16:50
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/kO6gHLVrVo (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 02 16:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Inside Canonical: the creators of Ubuntu have big plans for the future \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 16:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kodi 16.0 to Ship with Multi-Touch Support for	Nov 02 17:14
TweetTuxMachines	Linux https://t.co/zy6y0fQAF5	Nov 02 17:14
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 02 17:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o86zi	Nov 02 17:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Kodi 16.0 to Ship with Multi-Touch Support for Linux \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 17:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Solus Has a Really Good Week, Gets First RC and	Nov 02 17:14
TweetTuxMachines	Firefox Compliance https://t.co/XYhgjj4hOv	Nov 02 17:14
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 02 17:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o86zj	Nov 02 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Solus Has a Really Good Week, Gets First RC and Firefox Compliance \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 17:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Trying out Linux can be simple	Nov 02 17:15
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/MJ0uI5C1ov	Nov 02 17:15
TweetTuxMachines	(www.eastbourneherald.co.uk)	Nov 02 17:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o86zk	Nov 02 17:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eastbourneherald.co.uk \| Trying out Linux can be simple - Eastbourne Herald		Nov 02 17:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linus Torvalds launches Linux kernel 4.3	Nov 02 17:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/6Fikveo3WO	Nov 02 17:49
TweetTuxMachines	(www.computerweekly.com) distraction:	Nov 02 17:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/TBjVy4AC9H (gizmodo.com)	Nov 02 17:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.computerweekly.com \| Linus Torvalds launches Linux kernel 4.3 - Open Source Insider		Nov 02 17:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o875j	Nov 02 17:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gizmodo.com \| You Don't Need To Understand Programming to Appreciate This Awesome Rant		Nov 02 17:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Inside BlackBerry's last-ditch plan to win you	Nov 02 17:49
TweetTuxMachines	back with Android https://t.co/3oHP6jhoFs	Nov 02 17:49
TweetTuxMachines	(www.cnet.com)	Nov 02 17:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o875k	Nov 02 17:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnet.com \| Inside BlackBerry's last-ditch plan to win you back with Android - CNET		Nov 02 17:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Solus Has a Really Good Week, Gets First RC and	Nov 02 17:49
TweetTuxMachines	Firefox Compliance https://t.co/ly4gEzVC9Y	Nov 02 17:49
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Nov 02 17:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o875l	Nov 02 17:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Solus Has a Really Good Week, Gets First RC and Firefox Compliance - Softpedia		Nov 02 17:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenELEC 6.0 Arrives with Linux Kernel 4.1,	Nov 02 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	Drops 32-bit Builds https://t.co/dw3P0FlWYY	Nov 02 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Nov 02 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o876a	Nov 02 17:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| OpenELEC 6.0 Arrives with Linux Kernel 4.1, Drops 32-bit Builds - Softpedia		Nov 02 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro 15.09 (Bellatrix) Now Has Working AMD	Nov 02 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	Catalyst Drivers for Linux Kernel 4.2	Nov 02 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/VTtKCsxu52 (news.softpedia.com)	Nov 02 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o876b	Nov 02 17:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Manjaro 15.09 (Bellatrix) Now Has Working AMD Catalyst Drivers for Linux Kernel 4.2 - Softpedia		Nov 02 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Facebook forces some workers to switch from	Nov 02 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	iPhone to Android to reflect majority of users	Nov 02 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	& new markets https://t.co/tmF4AdvUbK	Nov 02 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	(appleinsider.com)	Nov 02 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o876c	Nov 02 17:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-appleinsider.com \| Facebook forces some workers to switch from iPhone to Android to reflect majority of users & new markets		Nov 02 17:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Daniel Craig resisted Android phone placement	Nov 02 17:57
TweetTuxMachines	in "Spectre" because "James Bond only uses the	Nov 02 17:57
TweetTuxMachines	best" https://t.co/cTcIMPsTok	Nov 02 17:57
TweetTuxMachines	(appleinsider.com)	Nov 02 17:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8773	Nov 02 17:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-appleinsider.com \| Daniel Craig resisted Android phone placement in "Spectre" because "James Bond only uses the best"		Nov 02 17:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Best Android smartphones for work and play:	Nov 02 17:58
TweetTuxMachines	November 2015 edition https://t.co/9q2aFGF0A5	Nov 02 17:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.zdnet.com)	Nov 02 17:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8774	Nov 02 17:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Best Android smartphones for work and play: November 2015 edition \| ZDNet		Nov 02 17:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines fedora Release Dates: It’s On-Time When It’s	Nov 02 17:58
TweetTuxMachines	Ready https://t.co/W1WAQmJnGQ (fossforce.com)	Nov 02 17:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8775	Nov 02 17:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com \| Release Dates: It's On-Time When It's Ready \| FOSS Force		Nov 02 17:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines PSA: Do NOT upgrade FreeIPA servers to Fedora	Nov 02 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	23 yet https://t.co/5yF7QnAU5T	Nov 02 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	(www.happyassassin.net)	Nov 02 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o87ao	Nov 02 18:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://www.happyassassin.net/2015/11/01/psa-do-not-upgrade-freeipa-servers-to-fedora-23-yet/ )		Nov 02 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23: A walk through my favorite Linux	Nov 02 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	installer - Anaconda https://t.co/1sIR6bxNMG	Nov 02 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	(www.zdnet.com)	Nov 02 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o87ap	Nov 02 18:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Fedora 23: A walk through my favorite Linux installer - Anaconda \| ZDNet		Nov 02 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How To Join The Power Linux Evolution	Nov 02 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/oQdlRpSXWb (www.itjungle.com)	Nov 02 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o87aq	Nov 02 18:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itjungle.com \| The Four Hundred--How To Join The Power Linux Evolution		Nov 02 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Where to find high-quality, Linux-compatible	Nov 02 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	music https://t.co/J8kUi3yuVl (opensource.com)	Nov 02 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o87ar	Nov 02 18:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| Linux-compatible places to get high-quality digital music \| Opensource.com		Nov 02 18:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines European Parliament wants EU institutions to	Nov 02 18:17
TweetTuxMachines	switch to open source https://t.co/3H84uQYLP2	Nov 02 18:17
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 02 18:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o87at	Nov 02 18:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| European Parliament wants EU institutions to switch to open source \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 18:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How To Join The Power Linux Evolution	Nov 02 18:17
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/iBPsYjItSz (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 02 18:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o87au	Nov 02 18:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How To Join The Power Linux Evolution \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 18:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Where to find high-quality, Linux-compatible	Nov 02 18:17
TweetTuxMachines	music https://t.co/CC72DO4yS5	Nov 02 18:17
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 02 18:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o87av	Nov 02 18:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Where to find high-quality, Linux-compatible music \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 18:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How can you make a drone better? Install Linux	Nov 02 18:23
TweetTuxMachines	on it! https://t.co/LXwOZBP2M0	Nov 02 18:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 02 18:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o87c4	Nov 02 18:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How can you make a drone better? Install Linux on it! \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 18:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNU Hurd 0.7, GNU Mach 1.6, GNU MIG 1.6	Nov 02 18:23
TweetTuxMachines	released https://t.co/GGBHO9UGfo	Nov 02 18:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 02 18:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o87c6	Nov 02 18:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GNU Hurd 0.7, GNU Mach 1.6, GNU MIG 1.6 released \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 18:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Best #android phones list	Nov 02 18:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/C5Ka4Mj4Ew (www.geeksnack.com)	Nov 02 18:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o87c7	Nov 02 18:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geeksnack.com \| Best Android phones of 2015 so far - GeekSnack		Nov 02 18:23
schestowitz	"systemd people are not willing to play nice with the rest of the world. Therefore there is no reason for the rest of the world to cooperate with them."	Nov 02 18:23
*TweetTuxMachines @pkoutoupis favourited 'Linux 4.3-rc7 https://t.co/lgaURXqRzj'		Nov 02 18:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux 4.3-rc7 \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 18:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open Source R Code to Get New Hub with Help	Nov 02 18:33
TweetTuxMachines	from the Linux Foundation	Nov 02 18:33
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/IU1GBedXZd (thevarguy.com)	Nov 02 18:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o87e5	Nov 02 18:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thevarguy.com \| Open Source R Code to Get New Hub with Help from the Linux Foundation \| Open Source Application Software Companies content from The VAR Guy		Nov 02 18:33
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XFaCE	[10:59:47]<cubexyz> Basic Linux 3 uses busybox so init is built-in	Nov 02 19:21
XFaCE	what about Alpine Linux?	Nov 02 19:21
cubexyz	how can you be not here? :)	Nov 02 19:22
cubexyz	anyways BL3 uses a very compact system using an old 2.2 kernel and a smaller version of X	Nov 02 19:23
cubexyz	any other distro that uses busybox should also have the built-in init	Nov 02 19:23
cubexyz	oh wait a sec	Nov 02 19:24
cubexyz	looks like alpine uses OpenRC	Nov 02 19:24
cubexyz	still, Alpine looks like a decent non-systemd distro	Nov 02 19:25
cubexyz	Alpine does look interesting with musl libc, I will try it sometime	Nov 02 19:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Steam for Linux Usage Is on the Rise and Gets	Nov 02 20:58
TweetTuxMachines	Closer to 1% https://t.co/GsNPYx7f2X	Nov 02 20:58
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Nov 02 20:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o886v	Nov 02 20:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Steam for Linux Usage Is on the Rise and Gets Closer to 1% - Softpedia		Nov 02 20:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Old, not obsolete: IBM takes Linux mainframes	Nov 02 20:58
TweetTuxMachines	back to the future https://t.co/piNa95hujf	Nov 02 20:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theregister.co.uk)	Nov 02 20:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o886w	Nov 02 20:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Old, not obsolete: IBM takes Linux mainframes back to the future • The Register		Nov 02 20:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Government picks Collabora for new Open Source	Nov 02 20:58
TweetTuxMachines	desktop suite https://t.co/XmgrVaWAUl	Nov 02 20:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 02 20:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o886x	Nov 02 20:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Government picks Collabora for new Open Source desktop suite \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 20:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Using Git and mailing lists time zones to find	Nov 02 20:58
TweetTuxMachines	out where developers live	Nov 02 20:58
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/zDSnRCnBWI (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 02 20:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o886y	Nov 02 20:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Using Git and mailing lists time zones to find out where developers live \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 20:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wikipedia and Deepak Chopra: Open-Source	Nov 02 20:59
TweetTuxMachines	Character Assassination https://t.co/1nhhf20DNi	Nov 02 20:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 02 20:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o886z	Nov 02 20:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Wikipedia and Deepak Chopra: Open-Source Character Assassination \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 20:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Exclusive: Tizen Smartphone Coming to 11	Nov 02 20:59
TweetTuxMachines	European Countries Including UK, France,	Nov 02 20:59
TweetTuxMachines	Germany and Russia By Ash - ...	Nov 02 20:59
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/hs1yMHwnb8 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 02 20:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8870	Nov 02 20:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Exclusive: Tizen Smartphone Coming to 11 European Countries Including UK, France, Germany and Russia By Ash - Nov 2, 2015 \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 20:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Which Linux Distribution You Should Use	Nov 03 01:47
TweetTuxMachines	Mohammad Forhad Iftekher 4 hours ago	Nov 03 01:47
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/TkkeiWCJKx (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 01:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o890s	Nov 03 01:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Which Linux Distribution You Should Use Mohammad Forhad Iftekher 4 hours ago \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 01:47
schestowitz	http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/35965/	Nov 03 02:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lxer.com \| LXer: Poettering said...: systemd 225 Adds 'su' Replacement, Saving of Private-Zone DHCP Options		Nov 03 02:26
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/angrymofo/status/661327361174929408	Nov 03 02:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@angrymofo: @Snowden @schestowitz They need to define 'breakable'. We all know given enough time anything's breakable so how easy do they want it to be?		Nov 03 02:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Going IaaS: What You Need to Know	Nov 03 02:34
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/gFhqXRbW7r (www.linux.com)	Nov 03 02:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8944	Nov 03 02:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com \| Going IaaS: What You Need to Know \| Linux.com		Nov 03 02:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Government picks Collabora for new Open Source	Nov 03 02:52
TweetTuxMachines	desktop suite https://t.co/i9BxrdqpKL	Nov 03 02:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.itproportal.com)	Nov 03 02:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8959	Nov 03 02:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itproportal.com \| Government picks Collabora for new Open Source desktop suite \| ITProPortal.com		Nov 03 02:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tizen Smartphone Coming to 11 European	Nov 03 02:52
TweetTuxMachines	Countries Including UK, France, Germany and	Nov 03 02:52
TweetTuxMachines	Russia By Ash - Nov 2, 2015	Nov 03 02:52
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/y7iqRAeVkE (www.tizenexperts.com)	Nov 03 02:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o895a	Nov 03 02:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com \| Exclusive: Tizen Smartphone Coming to 11 European Countries Including UK, France, Germany and Russia - Tizen Experts		Nov 03 02:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Which Linux Distribution You Should Use	Nov 03 02:52
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/pN7dhqu8hr (www.unixmen.com)	Nov 03 02:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o895b	Nov 03 02:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unixmen.com \| Which Linux Distribution You Should Use \| Unixmen		Nov 03 02:52
msb_	"It's a good thing I'm Russian. We're used to hopeless situations." -- Susan Ivanova -- Babylon 5	Nov 03 02:55
XRevan86	msb_: Can't comment that %).	Nov 03 03:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Doorways: Holy Mountains Of Flesh, An Immersive	Nov 03 04:12
TweetTuxMachines	Horror Adventure Now On Linux	Nov 03 04:12
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/SnlvFRtHVb (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Nov 03 04:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89c6	Nov 03 04:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Doorways: Holy Mountains Of Flesh, An Immersive Horror Adventure Now On Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Nov 03 04:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Voxel Blast, A Really Retro 3D Space Shooter	Nov 03 04:12
TweetTuxMachines	With Cool Music Now On Linux	Nov 03 04:12
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/IZ90aZ3tjG (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Nov 03 04:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89c7	Nov 03 04:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Voxel Blast, A Really Retro 3D Space Shooter With Cool Music Now On Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Nov 03 04:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Turn nearly any laptop into a Chromebook for	Nov 03 04:13
TweetTuxMachines	free https://t.co/neGspbPWID (www.zdnet.com)	Nov 03 04:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89c8	Nov 03 04:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Turn nearly any laptop into a Chromebook for free \| ZDNet		Nov 03 04:13
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/RavenXV/status/661478978767728640 https://twitter.com/RavenXV/status/661479311015309312 https://twitter.com/RavenXV/status/661480980994240512	Nov 03 04:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RavenXV: .@laurelrusswurm Yep, tho' the "mass" surveillance becomes narrow & nefarious @alastairsloan @schestowitz https://t.co/6xtChbHwa0		Nov 03 04:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RavenXV: .@laurelrusswurm & we get told Democratic States eg:UK conduct the same for the same ends @alastairsloan @schestowitz		Nov 03 04:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RavenXV: .@schestowitz And they (UK Govt / GCHQ) wonders why we here think they are all shit @laurelrusswurm @alastairsloan https://t.co/Lp01HZuHaR		Nov 03 04:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The good, the bad and the Ubuntu 15.10	Nov 03 04:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/m76V7o1Rdu (distrowatch.com)	Nov 03 04:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89gx	Nov 03 04:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com \| DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD.		Nov 03 04:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 4MLinux 14.0 Screenshot Tour	Nov 03 04:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/RUxFwIXZoi	Nov 03 04:56
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linuxscreenshots.org)	Nov 03 04:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89gy	Nov 03 04:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxscreenshots.org \| 4MLinux 14.0 Screenshot Tour		Nov 03 04:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 3/11/2015: Linux 4.3, OpenELEC 6.0	Nov 03 04:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/QjynsPcAmn (techrights.org)	Nov 03 04:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89gz	Nov 03 04:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 3/11/2015: Linux 4.3, OpenELEC 6.0 \| Techrights		Nov 03 04:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Huawei Watch review: the best Android Wear	Nov 03 04:58
TweetTuxMachines	smartwatch https://t.co/L1pS9vJKLc	Nov 03 04:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theguardian.com)	Nov 03 04:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89h7	Nov 03 04:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| Huawei Watch review: the best Android Wear smartwatch \| Technology \| The Guardian		Nov 03 04:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Announcing the Fedora Developer Portal	Nov 03 04:59
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/FTHDM4HHma (fedoramagazine.org)	Nov 03 04:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89hb	Nov 03 04:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org \| Announcing the Fedora Developer Portal - Fedora Magazine		Nov 03 04:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/nnD4802A7R	Nov 03 04:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 04:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89he	Nov 03 04:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 04:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/l8Acl1XQSb	Nov 03 04:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 04:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89hf	Nov 03 04:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 04:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/YeocYeVKxC	Nov 03 04:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 04:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89hg	Nov 03 04:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 04:59
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/pensadorlouco/status/661482272357539840	Nov 03 04:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/EFF7eSWFTx	Nov 03 04:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 04:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pensadorlouco: Linus Torvalds fires off angry ‘compiler-masturbation’ rant https://t.co/cE8xsrFHGO #linux #techrights		Nov 03 04:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89hh	Nov 03 04:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linkis.com \| Linus Torvalds fires off angry ‘compiler-masturbation’ rant \| Full Circle Magazine - Linkis.com		Nov 03 05:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's leftovers \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 05:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Whats New for You This November in Open Source	Nov 03 05:31
TweetTuxMachines	CMS https://t.co/L4wioiyDdX	Nov 03 05:31
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 05:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89ke	Nov 03 05:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Whats New for You This November in Open Source CMS \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 05:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The return of kwin_gles https://t.co/cSEUCWqZS3	Nov 03 05:31
TweetTuxMachines	(blog.martin-graesslin.com)	Nov 03 05:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89kf	Nov 03 05:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.martin-graesslin.com \| The return of kwin_gles \| Martin's Blog		Nov 03 05:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Cinnamon 2.8 released! https://t.co/JbO0CJu3eA	Nov 03 05:31
TweetTuxMachines	(segfault.linuxmint.com)	Nov 03 05:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89kg	Nov 03 05:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-segfault.linuxmint.com \| Cinnamon 2.8 released! ← Segfault		Nov 03 05:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Chromixium OS 1.5 Screencast and Screenshots	Nov 03 05:31
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/x5CswJ9Ovh	Nov 03 05:31
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linuxquestions.org)	Nov 03 05:31
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schestowitz	A bit older	Nov 03 05:58
schestowitz	http://earthsky.org/todays-image/fires-in-indonesia	Nov 03 05:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-earthsky.org \| Fires in Indonesia spread smoke \| Today's Image \| EarthSky		Nov 03 05:58
schestowitz	"Notice on the map they have also started fires over in PNG I've avoided products with palm oil for a long time now." -iophk	Nov 03 05:58
schestowitz	> x http://www.svd.se/5-saker-bill-gates-forutspadde-1999	Nov 03 06:03
schestowitz	>	Nov 03 06:03
schestowitz	> More bill-the-visionary revisionism	Nov 03 06:03
schestowitz	One day children will grow up not to know he ever was "controversial"	Nov 03 06:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.svd.se \| 5 saker Bill Gates förutspådde 1999 \| SvD		Nov 03 06:03
schestowitz	> http://business.financialpost.com/business-insider/people-in-sweden-are-hiding-cash-in-their-microwaves-because-of-a-fascinating-and-terrifying-economic-experiment	Nov 03 06:07
schestowitz	>	Nov 03 06:07
schestowitz	> Have you checked your service charges lately?	Nov 03 06:07
schestowitz	Virtually non-existent in the US, except the low interest on money they lend out to reckless people	Nov 03 06:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-business.financialpost.com \| People in Sweden are hiding cash in their microwaves because of a fascinating — and terrifying — economic experiment \| Financial Post		Nov 03 06:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf review - Fast and	Nov 03 06:12
TweetTuxMachines	spurious https://t.co/ZDUwKhFcSi	Nov 03 06:12
TweetTuxMachines	(www.dedoimedo.com)	Nov 03 06:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89oc	Nov 03 06:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dedoimedo.com \| Ubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf review - Fast and spurious		Nov 03 06:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 3/11/2015: Linux 4.3, OpenELEC 6.0	Nov 03 06:12
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by https://t.co/QjynsPcAmn (techrights.org)	Nov 03 06:12
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz	Nov 03 06:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89lz	Nov 03 06:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 3/11/2015: Linux 4.3, OpenELEC 6.0 \| Techrights		Nov 03 06:12
schestowitz	>>> x http://www.svd.se/5-saker-bill-gates-forutspadde-1999	Nov 03 06:25
schestowitz	>>> >>	Nov 03 06:25
schestowitz	>>> >> More bill-the-visionary revisionism	Nov 03 06:25
schestowitz	>> >	Nov 03 06:25
schestowitz	>> > One day children will grow up not to know he ever was "controversial"	Nov 03 06:25
schestowitz	> Well, he did single handedly invent the Internet with his own hands...	Nov 03 06:25
schestowitz	> or so I get the impression. :P	Nov 03 06:25
schestowitz	I can't think of an effective way to counter this with articles, without linking to such puff pieces and giving them hits.	Nov 03 06:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Announcing Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2	Nov 03 06:25
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/IxLjdTwtfv (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 06:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89q2	Nov 03 06:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Announcing Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 06:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenStack Summit: From Containers to Gaming as	Nov 03 06:25
TweetTuxMachines	a Service https://t.co/eFMeoOOauz	Nov 03 06:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 06:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89q3	Nov 03 06:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| OpenStack Summit: From Containers to Gaming as a Service \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 06:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf review - Fast and	Nov 03 06:26
TweetTuxMachines	spurious https://t.co/JEUmsDxlSz	Nov 03 06:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 06:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89q4	Nov 03 06:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf review - Fast and spurious \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 06:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Flavors Comparison: Ubuntu 15.10 vs	Nov 03 06:26
TweetTuxMachines	Kubuntu 15.10 vs Ubuntu GNOME 15.10	Nov 03 06:26
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/nIL9B6IuV4 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 06:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89q6	Nov 03 06:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Flavors Comparison: Ubuntu 15.10 vs Kubuntu 15.10 vs Ubuntu GNOME 15.10 \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 06:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Five Open-Source Slack Alternatives	Nov 03 06:26
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/HzFw4sV94d (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 06:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89q7	Nov 03 06:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Five Open-Source Slack Alternatives \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 06:26
*TweetTuxMachines @Infiniscene favourited 'OpenStack Summit: From Containers to Gaming as a...'		Nov 03 06:47
*TweetTuxMachines @Infiniscene followed @tuxmachines		Nov 03 06:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Flavors Comparison: Ubuntu 15.10 vs	Nov 03 06:47
TweetTuxMachines	Kubuntu 15.10 vs Ubuntu GNOME 15.10	Nov 03 06:47
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/NupytDdGPj (www.hecticgeek.com)	Nov 03 06:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89rt	Nov 03 06:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hecticgeek.com \| Ubuntu Flavors Comparison: Ubuntu 15.10 vs Kubuntu 15.10 vs Ubuntu GNOME 15.10		Nov 03 06:47
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/drtocqueville/status/661510472915660800	Nov 03 06:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@drtocqueville: @schestowitz Translation: merging the OSes will facilitate easier #metadata collation for NSA & #GCHQ #privacysellouts @corporategreed		Nov 03 06:53
schestowitz	I don't think it would truly ease this process	Nov 03 06:53
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/661510703354916865	Nov 03 06:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: The ultimate example of turning people into slaves! https://t.co/ae5XheVqsz #NoAgendaShow		Nov 03 06:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: People in Sweden are hiding cash in their microwaves because of a fascinating — and terrifying — economic experiment https://t.co/3RQkhhr6qX		Nov 03 06:54
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/inkchug/status/661514737285505024	Nov 03 07:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@inkchug: I prefer Windows 7. For the last month+ my computer fails at installing KB3097617. Driving me crazy. #t https://t.co/neeDBWAhmk		Nov 03 07:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Microsoft Admits Windows 10 Automatic Spying Cannot Be Stopped https://t.co/cWW45syOxw #vista10		Nov 03 07:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Top Android Remote Apps >	Nov 03 08:04
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/7WO80X8yXa (www.datamation.com)	Nov 03 08:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89yf	Nov 03 08:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datamation.com \| Top Android Remote Apps - Datamation		Nov 03 08:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Where’s My Marshmallow? When Will You Be	Nov 03 08:05
TweetTuxMachines	Getting The Android Marshmallow Update?	Nov 03 08:05
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/XVT125Y8iO	Nov 03 08:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.knowyourmobile.com)	Nov 03 08:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89yg	Nov 03 08:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.knowyourmobile.com \| Where’s My Marshmallow? When Will You Be Getting The Android Marshmallow Update? \| Know Your Mobile		Nov 03 08:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Leftovers https://t.co/x0FgYorVd0	Nov 03 08:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 08:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89yh	Nov 03 08:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 08:05
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cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/ms-dirtytricks.txt	Nov 03 12:42
cubexyz	ok, I can't imagine anyone reading all that and saying Gates was a visionary	Nov 03 12:42
cubexyz	he's an extractor of technology, a taker	Nov 03 12:43
cubexyz	he's also a big-time blocker of non-microsoft tech	Nov 03 12:44
cubexyz	in the beginning... the PDP-10 time used to write the first 8080 simulators for the initial BASIC interpreter was stolen	Nov 03 12:46
cubexyz	also let's not forget Blue Mountain Arts	Nov 03 12:48
MinceR	he was a visionary in confidence scams	Nov 03 12:48
cubexyz	I haven't added blue mountain to the dirty tricks file as yet	Nov 03 12:49
cubexyz	http://www.dotcomeon.com/bluemountain.html	Nov 03 12:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dotcomeon.com \| Blue Mountain Arts Sues WebTV and Microsoft for Email Blocking		Nov 03 12:49
cubexyz	naturally Microsoft had it's own greet card business	Nov 03 12:50
cubexyz	Microsoft needed to be slapped down hard, but what did Judge Kollar-Kotelly do?	Nov 03 12:52
cubexyz	didn't break up Microsoft, didn't require Microsoft to change any code, or prevent Microsoft from tying other software to windows!	Nov 03 12:53
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cubexyz	The Microsoft Boosters are simply wrong	Nov 03 14:43
cubexyz	but it's somewhat forgiveable that younger people think Microsoft invented PCs	Nov 03 14:44
cubexyz	it's not true of course	Nov 03 14:44
cubexyz	the Microsoft employee's may have deluded themselves into thinking that but it's false	Nov 03 14:45
cubexyz	what we call the PC was invented by IBM and Intel	Nov 03 14:45
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cubexyz	the PC clone? Invented by Columbia Data Products and Compaq	Nov 03 14:46
cubexyz	TCP/IP stack? from BSD	Nov 03 14:48
cubexyz	just think about Unix for a second...	Nov 03 14:53
cubexyz	BSD had a TCP/IP stack in 1983	Nov 03 14:53
cubexyz	that's 2 years before windows 1.0 existed	Nov 03 14:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Upgrading from Fedora 22 to Fedora 23	Nov 03 15:07
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/6QuG2txKm6 (fedoramagazine.org)	Nov 03 15:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8bus	Nov 03 15:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org \| Upgrading from Fedora 22 to Fedora 23 - Fedora Magazine		Nov 03 15:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BlackBerry's New Android Smartphone Could Be	Nov 03 15:07
TweetTuxMachines	Its Last Device https://t.co/0ls5DXAqDQ	Nov 03 15:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.bloomberg.com)	Nov 03 15:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8but	Nov 03 15:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bloomberg.com \| BlackBerry's New Android Smartphone Could Be Its Last Device - Bloomberg Business		Nov 03 15:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Imagining what Google’s hybrid	Nov 03 15:07
TweetTuxMachines	Android-plus-Chrome OS might look like	Nov 03 15:07
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/a2Y72IcZK8 (arstechnica.com)	Nov 03 15:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8buu	Nov 03 15:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Imagining what Google’s hybrid Android-plus-Chrome OS might look like \| Ars Technica		Nov 03 15:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines It's a Bird. It's Another Bird!	Nov 03 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/8kawf8Y5BJ (www.linuxjournal.com)	Nov 03 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8bxj	Nov 03 15:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxjournal.com \| It's a Bird. It's Another Bird! \| Linux Journal		Nov 03 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Bomgar Remote Support 15.2 offers new	Nov 03 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	capabilities for supporting Linux endpoints"	Nov 03 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/8kawf8Y5BJ (www.linuxjournal.com)	Nov 03 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8bxk	Nov 03 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android N UK release date, name and feature	Nov 03 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	rumours: Can you guess the name of Android 7.0	Nov 03 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	N? https://t.co/eXhbdEZVe9	Nov 03 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.pcadvisor.co.uk)	Nov 03 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8bxl	Nov 03 15:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcadvisor.co.uk \| Android N UK release date, name and feature rumours - New Product - PC Advisor		Nov 03 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23 released https://t.co/5RzubJhMii	Nov 03 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	(fedoramagazine.org)	Nov 03 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8bxm	Nov 03 15:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org \| Fedora 23 released - Fedora Magazine		Nov 03 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What’s new in Fedora 23 Workstation	Nov 03 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/E5keeOOr9y (fedoramagazine.org)	Nov 03 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8bxn	Nov 03 15:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org \| What's new in Fedora 23 Workstation - Fedora Magazine		Nov 03 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation Scholarship Recipient: Enrique	Nov 03 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	Sevillano https://t.co/wPw3kpriVu	Nov 03 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8bxo	Nov 03 15:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Foundation Scholarship Recipient: Enrique Sevillano \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice	Nov 03 15:22
TweetTuxMachines	5.0.3 “fresh” and LibreOffice 4.4.6 “still”	Nov 03 15:22
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/k3YI9N0fI3 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 15:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8bxs	Nov 03 15:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 5.0.3 “fresh” and LibreOffice 4.4.6 “still” \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 15:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A breakdown of FOSS for students and	Nov 03 15:23
TweetTuxMachines	researchers in academia https://t.co/e5QjEmWSdQ	Nov 03 15:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 15:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8by4	Nov 03 15:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| A breakdown of FOSS for students and researchers in academia \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 15:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines In Memory of Telsa Gwynne	Nov 03 15:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/1CesoqQykE (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 15:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8by5	Nov 03 15:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| In Memory of Telsa Gwynne \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 15:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Budgie 15.11 Is Based on Budgie 8.3 and	Nov 03 15:23
TweetTuxMachines	It Looks Great https://t.co/JcXnFMTAPK	Nov 03 15:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 15:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8by6	Nov 03 15:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Manjaro Budgie 15.11 Is Based on Budgie 8.3 and It Looks Great \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 15:23
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schestowitz	> While we are in conversation, I offer a bit of family gossip from	Nov 03 16:06
schestowitz	> Florida. Andrew has filed for divorce. They brought out the worst in	Nov 03 16:06
schestowitz	> each other and the 20 year marriage was doomed from the early years. A	Nov 03 16:06
schestowitz	> little advice...stay close with your family. Do you stay in touch with	Nov 03 16:06
schestowitz	> your siblings?	Nov 03 16:06
schestowitz	I can recall him crying on the phone over a decade ago, after he had distanced himself from his parents and had problems with the marriage. Siblings are one kind of support network, I'm close with my brother these days...	Nov 03 16:06
schestowitz	^ OT ^	Nov 03 16:06
schestowitz	a friend from Florida	Nov 03 16:06
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/661651756087181312	Nov 03 16:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Sheikh_al_Touar: @schestowitz FYI, SUEPO site seems to work again. Probably maintenance.		Nov 03 16:12
schestowitz	still down for me	Nov 03 16:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Cinnamon 2.8 released: Screenshots	Nov 03 16:48
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/l6bAMFuxDN (linuxbsdos.com)	Nov 03 16:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8cce	Nov 03 16:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxbsdos.com \| Cinnamon 2.8 released: Screenshots \| LinuxBSDos.com		Nov 03 16:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation Scholarship Recipient: Enrique	Nov 03 16:48
TweetTuxMachines	Sevillano https://t.co/0RveCnPydg	Nov 03 16:48
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linux.com)	Nov 03 16:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8ccf	Nov 03 16:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com \| Linux Foundation Scholarship Recipient: Enrique Sevillano \| Linux.com		Nov 03 16:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Budgie 15.11 Is Based on Budgie 8.3 and	Nov 03 16:48
TweetTuxMachines	It Looks Great https://t.co/wlYsTWKVlY	Nov 03 16:48
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Nov 03 16:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8ccg	Nov 03 16:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Manjaro Budgie 15.11 Is Based on Budgie 8.3 and It Looks Great - Softpedia		Nov 03 16:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Overcoming barriers to Open Source - Tackling	Nov 03 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	the business case for open source	Nov 03 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/sNSKud0v1y (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8ce6	Nov 03 16:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Overcoming barriers to Open Source - Tackling the business case for open source \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ZOTAC Have A Trailer To Show Off Their NEN	Nov 03 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	Steam Machine https://t.co/dfjB0d99mk	Nov 03 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Nov 03 16:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8ced	Nov 03 16:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| ZOTAC Have A Trailer To Show Off Their NEN Steam Machine \| GamingOnLinux		Nov 03 16:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Alienware Steam Machine Is Shown Off In Another	Nov 03 16:55
TweetTuxMachines	Nice Video https://t.co/0SzmXlFqO2	Nov 03 16:55
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Nov 03 16:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8cef	Nov 03 16:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Alienware Steam Machine Is Shown Off In Another Nice Video \| GamingOnLinux		Nov 03 16:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Another Fishing Game Is Planning A Linux	Nov 03 17:07
TweetTuxMachines	Version Named 'Euro Fishing'	Nov 03 17:07
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/ZPFfirfNLQ (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Nov 03 17:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8cgm	Nov 03 17:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Another Fishing Game Is Planning A Linux Version Named 'Euro Fishing' \| GamingOnLinux		Nov 03 17:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Compact, rugged box-PC has four GbE ports, runs	Nov 03 17:07
TweetTuxMachines	Linux https://t.co/TFHiY7d1sD (linuxgizmos.com)	Nov 03 17:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8cgn	Nov 03 17:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Compact, rugged box-PC has four GbE ports, runs Linux · LinuxGizmos.com		Nov 03 17:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tails 1.7 is out https://t.co/jGNWmBd6ad	Nov 03 17:07
TweetTuxMachines	(tails.boum.org) "This release fixes numerous	Nov 03 17:07
TweetTuxMachines	security issues. All users must upgrade as soon	Nov 03 17:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://tails.boum.org/news/version_1.7/index.en.html )		Nov 03 17:07
TweetTuxMachines	as possible."	Nov 03 17:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8cgo	Nov 03 17:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fotoxx 15.11.1 Has Been Just Released	Nov 03 18:14
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Nv8Kqhz5Aq (linuxg.net)	Nov 03 18:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8cq2	Nov 03 18:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net \| Fotoxx 15.11.1 Has Been Just Released \| LinuxG.net		Nov 03 18:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 3/11/2015: Tails 1.7, Fedora 23	Nov 03 18:14
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/G1bzF1RAre (techrights.org)	Nov 03 18:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8cq7	Nov 03 18:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 3/11/2015: Tails 1.7, Fedora 23 \| Techrights		Nov 03 18:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/kt84gSSmAM	Nov 03 18:14
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org) Today in Techrights	Nov 03 18:14
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/kt84gSSmAM (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 18:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8cq8	Nov 03 18:14
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 3/11/2015: Tails 1.7, Fedora 23 https://t.co/G1bzF1RAre'		Nov 03 18:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 18:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/2rvcEoDh5L	Nov 03 18:15
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 18:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8cqf	Nov 03 18:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 18:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/mydwZMgNMs	Nov 03 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8cuf	Nov 03 18:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/UjYNYUwQ6H	Nov 03 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8cug	Nov 03 18:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/sA3LFWQlkZ	Nov 03 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8cuh	Nov 03 18:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's leftovers \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/BSUoFJiuLM	Nov 03 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8cui	Nov 03 18:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 18:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/BSUoFJiuLM	Nov 03 19:58
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 19:58
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz	Nov 03 19:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8d7p	Nov 03 19:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Too many blobs being inserted into #linux these	Nov 03 20:00
TweetTuxMachines	days https://t.co/zz9yg9k1Iq (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 03 20:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8d7v	Nov 03 20:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| GNU Linux-libre 4.3 Warns Of Intel Skylake Sound, New AMDGPU Blobs - Phoronix		Nov 03 20:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.3 File-System Comparison With Btrfs,	Nov 03 20:00
TweetTuxMachines	EXT4, XFS, F2FS https://t.co/Vifk9SaKxB	Nov 03 20:00
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Nov 03 20:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8d7x	Nov 03 20:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Linux 4.3 File-System Comparison With Btrfs, EXT4, XFS, F2FS - Phoronix		Nov 03 20:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Rootless #XOrg is here https://t.co/UIwj5mV9BX	Nov 03 20:00
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Nov 03 20:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8d7y	Nov 03 20:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Debian Moves To Non-Root X.Org Server By Default - Phoronix		Nov 03 20:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Antifeatures like #tpm injected into #linux	Nov 03 20:00
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/0dhgErzh70 (lkml.iu.edu)	Nov 03 20:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8d7z	Nov 03 20:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.iu.edu \| Linux-Kernel Archive: [GIT PULL] Security subsystem update for 4.4		Nov 03 20:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wine-Staging 1.7.54 Improves The WIDL Compiler	Nov 03 21:13
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/BcKwSdh14o (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 03 21:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8dhn	Nov 03 21:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Wine-Staging 1.7.54 Improves The WIDL Compiler - Phoronix		Nov 03 21:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open Source Mobile Voter Registration System	Nov 03 21:13
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/2vucBGAtf4 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 21:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8dho	Nov 03 21:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Open Source Mobile Voter Registration System \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 21:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Phoronix on Linux 4.4 https://t.co/kbt1J7GXTj	Nov 03 22:29
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 22:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8drb	Nov 03 22:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Phoronix on Linux 4.4 \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 22:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Phoronix on Linux 4.3 https://t.co/jvMdBAiNvC	Nov 03 22:29
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 22:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8drc	Nov 03 22:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Phoronix on Linux 4.3 \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 22:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux-based robots will soon deliver packages	Nov 03 22:29
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Er7NUQWTMq (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 22:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8dre	Nov 03 22:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux-based robots will soon deliver packages \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 22:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23 Cinnamon: Screenshots	Nov 03 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/NWKebAB1H1 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8dua	Nov 03 22:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Fedora 23 Cinnamon: Screenshots \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Firefox Version 42.0 https://t.co/aD1nimReGh	Nov 03 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8dub	Nov 03 22:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Firefox Version 42.0 \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines FreeBSD comes to 64-bit ARM	Nov 03 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/QvjFOt3yVO (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8duc	Nov 03 22:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| FreeBSD comes to 64-bit ARM \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SUSECon 2015: SUSE joins the Cloud Foundry	Nov 03 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/4x8wiVZA1S (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 22:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8dud	Nov 03 22:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| SUSECon 2015: SUSE joins the Cloud Foundry \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 22:56
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msb_	Would somebody please call me on skype? My ID is markbilk I want to see if I get audio notification. I'm trying to communicate with a long-lost friend, who only may be able to use skype.	Nov 04 03:54
msb_	I know its evil, but please do it anyhow.	Nov 04 03:56
msb_	Nevermind. We called each other and it worked.	Nov 04 04:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kernel Summit tech day coverage complete	Nov 04 04:59
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/RZHEUZV2Fw (lwn.net)	Nov 04 04:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8ews	Nov 04 04:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lwn.net \| Kernel Summit tech day coverage complete [LWN.net]		Nov 04 04:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora Marketing is Not a Spectator Sport	Nov 04 05:18
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/rZtdPxvZDX (fedoramagazine.org)	Nov 04 05:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8eyq	Nov 04 05:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org \| Fedora Marketing is Not a Spectator Sport - Fedora Magazine		Nov 04 05:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android 6.0 Marshmallow vs. iOS 9 – What You	Nov 04 05:18
TweetTuxMachines	Need To Know About Them https://t.co/xeNamfhtkz	Nov 04 05:18
TweetTuxMachines	(neurogadget.com)	Nov 04 05:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8eyr	Nov 04 05:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-neurogadget.com \| Android 6.0 Marshmallow vs. iOS 9 – What You Need To Know About Them - Neurogadget.com		Nov 04 05:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux-based robots will soon deliver packages	Nov 04 05:18
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/v2si66FrQp (linuxgizmos.com)	Nov 04 05:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8eys	Nov 04 05:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23 Cinnamon: Screenshots	Nov 04 05:28
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/NYs6jNBdIx (linuxbsdos.com)	Nov 04 05:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8f00	Nov 04 05:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxbsdos.com \| Fedora 23 Cinnamon: Screenshots \| LinuxBSDos.com		Nov 04 05:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Firefox Version 42.0 https://t.co/D1j6w5UurM	Nov 04 05:28
TweetTuxMachines	(www.mozilla.org) https://t.co/wnbSWmKUey	Nov 04 05:28
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxg.net)	Nov 04 05:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mozilla.org \| Firefox — Notes (42.0) — Mozilla		Nov 04 05:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8f01	Nov 04 05:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net \| Firefox 42 Brings Improvements And Changes \| LinuxG.net		Nov 04 05:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fresh LibreOffice Updates, Fedora 23 Released	Nov 04 05:29
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/GjIj3u6v5v (ostatic.com)	Nov 04 05:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8f02	Nov 04 05:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com \| Fresh LibreOffice Updates, Fedora 23 Released		Nov 04 05:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Gaming on Linux is Here: Install SteamOS Beta	Nov 04 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	Today https://t.co/jmDTVDEY81	Nov 04 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	(www.makeuseof.com) https://t.co/XMkE9L9tDh	Nov 04 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Nov 04 06:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.makeuseof.com \| Gaming on Linux is Here: Install SteamOS Beta Today		Nov 04 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8f4p	Nov 04 06:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Steam Linux Usage Increases Slightly, Still Below 1% - Phoronix		Nov 04 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fresh LibreOffice Updates, Fedora 23 Released	Nov 04 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/RKdciFcSJw (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8f4r	Nov 04 06:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Fresh LibreOffice Updates, Fedora 23 Released \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Gaming on Linux is Here: Install SteamOS Beta	Nov 04 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	Today https://t.co/K2XeaFXCeo	Nov 04 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 06:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8f4s	Nov 04 06:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Gaming on Linux is Here: Install SteamOS Beta Today \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 06:18
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XRevan86	https://news.opensuse.org/2015/11/04/opensuse-leap-42-1-becomes-first-hybrid-distribution	Nov 04 07:11
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XRevan86	openSUSE Leap 42.1 release that is.	Nov 04 07:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora: The Latest https://t.co/HHC7UgcV49	Nov 04 07:48
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 07:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8fcx	Nov 04 07:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Fedora: The Latest \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 07:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNU/Linux and Free/Libre Software Dominance:	Nov 04 07:48
TweetTuxMachines	What It Comes Down to is Patents	Nov 04 07:48
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/a4n57ZtUKB (techrights.org)	Nov 04 07:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8fcy	Nov 04 07:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| GNU/Linux and Free/Libre Software Dominance: What It Comes Down to is Patents \| Techrights		Nov 04 07:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Quick-turn baseboard dev tool adds third-party	Nov 04 08:37
TweetTuxMachines	COMs, SBCs https://t.co/s0mzWJtW9Q	Nov 04 08:37
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 08:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8fho	Nov 04 08:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Quick-turn baseboard dev tool adds third-party COMs, SBCs \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 08:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines European rural schools rely on open source	Nov 04 08:37
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/pjSgO901nW (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 08:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8fhp	Nov 04 08:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| European rural schools rely on open source \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 08:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines More Fixes Added for Ubuntu Touch OTA-8	Nov 04 08:38
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/TDzz9BpUdI (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 08:38
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8fhr	Nov 04 08:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| More Fixes Added for Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 08:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNU/Linux and Free/Libre Software Dominance:	Nov 04 09:53
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by What It Comes Down to is Patents	Nov 04 09:53
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://t.co/a4n57ZtUKB (techrights.org)	Nov 04 09:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8fhv	Nov 04 09:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Quick-turn baseboard dev tool adds third-party	Nov 04 09:53
TweetTuxMachines	COMs, SBCs https://t.co/SBomcFyMUT	Nov 04 09:53
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Nov 04 09:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8fq2	Nov 04 09:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Quick-turn baseboard dev tool adds third-party COMs, SBCs · LinuxGizmos.com		Nov 04 09:53
MinceR	so much bullshit	Nov 04 10:15
MinceR	and yet not one fucking word about what these systemd and mono lovers mean by "hybrid distribution"	Nov 04 10:16
MinceR	typical corporate garbage	Nov 04 10:16
XRevan86	MinceR: It's a hybrid from SLE and openSUSE Tumbleweed.	Nov 04 10:22
XRevan86	that's what they meant	Nov 04 10:22
MinceR	"ooh, look at us, we're the first in the world to make a hybrid of our two previous shitty distros!"	Nov 04 10:23
*MinceR spits		Nov 04 10:23
XRevan86	MinceR: ookay	Nov 04 10:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines More Fixes Added for Ubuntu Touch OTA-8	Nov 04 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/OG8VCRK4IJ (news.softpedia.com)	Nov 04 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/sMBsQIjSIE (news.softpedia.com)	Nov 04 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8fx6	Nov 04 10:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| More Fixes Added for Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 - Softpedia		Nov 04 10:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Touch on More Phones Would Be a Mistake Right Now, Says Mark Shuttleworth - Softpedia		Nov 04 10:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Review OpenSUSE 42.1 Leap	Nov 04 10:48
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/MXf6H1oiK6 (www.unixmen.com)	Nov 04 10:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8fx7	Nov 04 10:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unixmen.com \| Review OpenSUSE 42.1 Leap \| Unixmen		Nov 04 10:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME’s newcomer guide is improving	Nov 04 10:48
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/mnhRb9I6QY (blogs.gnome.org)	Nov 04 10:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8fx8	Nov 04 10:48
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XRevan86	MinceR: By the way, Mono?	Nov 04 11:38
XRevan86	MinceR: Mono and SUSE are unrelated now.	Nov 04 11:38
MinceR	they were pushing pretty hard for it back in the day	Nov 04 11:40
MinceR	now they got in line with another attempt to destroy gnu/linux, systemd	Nov 04 11:40
MinceR	plus their distros always sucked, afaict	Nov 04 11:40
MinceR	i have no respect for them	Nov 04 11:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kubuntu Developers Planning Improvements For	Nov 04 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	16.04 Xenial https://t.co/GkIAWQoZKQ	Nov 04 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Nov 04 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gdp	Nov 04 12:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Kubuntu Developers Planning Improvements For 16.04 Xenial - Phoronix		Nov 04 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat News https://t.co/Dt6W9xWeGh	Nov 04 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gdq	Nov 04 12:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat News \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kubuntu Developers Planning Improvements For	Nov 04 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	16.04 Xenial https://t.co/1VDh8mf4bD	Nov 04 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 12:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gdr	Nov 04 12:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Kubuntu Developers Planning Improvements For 16.04 Xenial \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 12:25
cubexyz	I bet companies try to force everyone into the cloud in the future	Nov 04 13:10
MinceR	indeed	Nov 04 13:13
MinceR	the attempt to destroy general-purpose computers or at least take them out of the hands of most people, including us, is part of that	Nov 04 13:14
MinceR	take the power out of the hands of the people and make them dependent on the megacorporations	Nov 04 13:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME’s newcomer guide is improving	Nov 04 13:17
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/ikmm5sKcMY (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 13:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gnu	Nov 04 13:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Kernel, Graphics	Nov 04 13:17
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Oav1RKxia2 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 13:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gnv	Nov 04 13:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GNOME’s newcomer guide is improving \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 13:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Kernel, Graphics \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 13:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Review OpenSUSE 42.1 Leap	Nov 04 13:17
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/6x8r1W4lLr (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 13:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gnw	Nov 04 13:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Review OpenSUSE 42.1 Leap \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 13:17
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6754934	Nov 04 13:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Veeam announces Backup for Linux http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=147364 #gnu #linux		Nov 04 13:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Couldn't resolve host 'www.itweb.co.za' ( status 0 @ http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=147364 )		Nov 04 13:20
schestowitz	"	Nov 04 13:20
schestowitz	I interviewed once for a job and was asked what backup software I had experience on, so I said tar. Do not remember exactly how it went but was something like: What happens if you want to transfer backups between operating systems? I use tar. And what about compression? tar with gzip. And if you want to schedule backups? tar with cron. And for backing up Windows servers? I do not care, I’m a Linux sysadmin.	Nov 04 13:20
schestowitz	Even so I got the job. =)	Nov 04 13:20
schestowitz	"	Nov 04 13:20
schestowitz	"lol"	Nov 04 13:20
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6779623	Nov 04 13:21
schestowitz	"don’t use Iphone ? It’s the same i suppose with Android, no ?"	Nov 04 13:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The #NSA Can Now Spy On #Apple #iPhones Via Zero Day Hack http://www.bidnessetc.com/56720-the-nsa-can-now-spy-on-apple-iphones-via-zero-day-hack/ solution: don't use one.		Nov 04 13:21
schestowitz	Yes, to a similar degree	Nov 04 13:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bidnessetc.com \| The NSA Can Now Spy On Apple iPhones Via Zero Day Hack		Nov 04 13:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat Sells Out With a Microsoft Patent Deal	Nov 04 13:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/VLON8BbkCB (techrights.org)	Nov 04 13:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gow	Nov 04 13:23
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Red Hat Sells Out With a Microsoft Patent...'		Nov 04 13:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Red Hat Sells Out With a Microsoft Patent Deal \| Techrights		Nov 04 13:23
cubexyz	no one seems to talk much about the successor to tar which was called dar	Nov 04 13:35
cubexyz	I have to admit I've never bothered with it '	Nov 04 13:35
XRevan86	cubexyz: But tar is perfect.	Nov 04 13:38
*TweetTuxMachines @longtheriverrun followed @tuxmachines		Nov 04 13:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android 6.0 Marshmallow Update Status For Moto	Nov 04 13:39
TweetTuxMachines	X Pure, Moto X Play, Moto G, Moto E	Nov 04 13:39
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/0BwPwndayR (www.ibtimes.com)	Nov 04 13:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gs2	Nov 04 13:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.com \| Android 6.0 Marshmallow Update Status For Moto X Pure, Moto X Play, Moto G, Moto E		Nov 04 13:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why Google Should Merge Chrome OS and Android	Nov 04 13:39
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/A8bqleOcIK (gadgets.ndtv.com)	Nov 04 13:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gs7	Nov 04 13:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gadgets.ndtv.com \| Why Google Should Merge Chrome OS and Android \| NDTV Gadgets360.com		Nov 04 13:39
MinceR	http://techrights.org/2015/11/04/red-hat-sells-out/	Nov 04 13:50
MinceR	time to call for a boycott against redcrap	Nov 04 13:51
cubexyz	around 2011 Fedora went kind of bad	Nov 04 13:52
MinceR	it was always bad, but not this bad	Nov 04 13:52
cubexyz	that's when I started looking more closely at BSD and slackware	Nov 04 13:52
cubexyz	it wasn't always bad	Nov 04 13:53
MinceR	it was always rpm	Nov 04 13:53
cubexyz	when Yarrow came out back in 2003 I liked it a lot	Nov 04 13:53
MinceR	i wonder when they started using the train wreck known as yum	Nov 04 13:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Andalucia’s IT management tool ‘ready for	Nov 04 13:54
TweetTuxMachines	reuse’	Nov 04 13:54
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/QvuRbKtB70 (joinup.ec.europa.eu)	Nov 04 13:54
TweetTuxMachines	"designed to run on the Debian and Ubuntu"	Nov 04 13:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gvo	Nov 04 13:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joinup.ec.europa.eu \| Andalucia’s IT management tool ‘ready for reuse’ \| Joinup		Nov 04 13:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Top 20 Best Tizen Apps for October 2015	Nov 04 13:54
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/O4JLGXmOLF (www.tizenexperts.com)	Nov 04 13:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gvp	Nov 04 13:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The best smartwatch for Android	Nov 04 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/SHRf26QQGz (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gvu	Nov 04 13:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The best smartwatch for Android \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Software Centre To Be Replaced in 16.04	Nov 04 13:58
TweetTuxMachines	LTS https://t.co/zyZjGWTRKz	Nov 04 13:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 13:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gwk	Nov 04 13:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Software Centre To Be Replaced in 16.04 LTS \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 13:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines openSUSE 42.1 Leap Benchmarks	Nov 04 13:58
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/bUhXzSt1JS (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 13:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gwl	Nov 04 13:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| openSUSE 42.1 Leap Benchmarks \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 13:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New Debian Administrator’s Handbook is on its	Nov 04 13:58
TweetTuxMachines	way (now finalised) https://t.co/b8FDE2fkhy	Nov 04 13:58
TweetTuxMachines	(raphaelhertzog.com)	Nov 04 13:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gwm	Nov 04 13:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-raphaelhertzog.com \| My Free Software Activities in October 2015		Nov 04 13:58
cubexyz	well if you go back far enough there was only tar, and before that just ar and tp	Nov 04 14:01
cubexyz	eventually if you want to maintain an old distro your repos will disappear anyway	Nov 04 14:02
cubexyz	I suppose you could set up your own repo	Nov 04 14:03
cubexyz	I'm quite comfortable using tarballs, compile and install that way	Nov 04 14:04
MinceR	schestowitz: do you have more on this patent deal? the redcrap press release doesn't seem to say anything about patents specifically	Nov 04 14:04
cubexyz	we still use ar today actually... look in /usr/lib	Nov 04 14:05
cubexyz	there's lots of *.a files in there	Nov 04 14:05
cubexyz	yes, it's a shame about Redhat	Nov 04 14:07
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/desktop/fc1-upgraded-desktop-2010.png	Nov 04 14:14
cubexyz	a reminder of happier days	Nov 04 14:14
MinceR	back when kde wasn't shit	Nov 04 14:14
schestowitz	[19:04] <MinceR> schestowitz: do you have more on this patent deal? the redcrap press release doesn't seem to say anything about patents specifically	Nov 04 14:30
schestowitz	You need to look more closely, beyond the PR	Nov 04 14:30
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/661989369872523266	Nov 04 14:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: by the way: use @ownCloud ! https://t.co/e7pvZYZF75		Nov 04 14:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @Wikinaut I did earlier today		Nov 04 14:32
schestowitz	Too much SUSE in it..	Nov 04 14:32
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/661989823977267200	Nov 04 14:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: Where is your special problem, pls. elaborate. https://t.co/OjxMl6BXjH		Nov 04 14:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @Wikinaut @ownCloud Too much SUSE in it..		Nov 04 14:47
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/661990217709146117	Nov 04 14:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: @schestowitz if you say, too much SUSE in ownCloud, is then too much RSA in PGP/GPG and what do you want to do against it ? Going Signal ?		Nov 04 14:47
schestowitz	You need to understand my past with Boycott Novell	Nov 04 14:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A new Android One phone will launch in India	Nov 04 14:51
TweetTuxMachines	soon https://t.co/ATZDh7KFuw	Nov 04 14:51
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theverge.com)	Nov 04 14:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8h88	Nov 04 14:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com \| A new Android One phone will launch in India soon \| The Verge		Nov 04 14:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google Says Over 19K Organizations Are Now	Nov 04 14:51
TweetTuxMachines	Testing Or Using Android For Work	Nov 04 14:51
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/IqoPPQYwu9 (techcrunch.com)	Nov 04 14:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com \| Google Says Over 19K Organizations Are Now Testing Or Using Android For Work \| TechCrunch		Nov 04 14:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How This One Radical Move Could Help Google	Nov 04 14:51
TweetTuxMachines	Fight Apple https://t.co/NtVCbrhAhB (time.com)	Nov 04 14:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-time.com \| Merging Android and Chrome Could Help Google Fight Apple		Nov 04 14:51
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DaemonFC	And the campaign is over. Mayor Henry won in a landslide. Republicans freaking out.	Nov 04 14:56
DaemonFC	Every major candidate that our governor personally endorsed lost big time.	Nov 04 14:56
MinceR	:)	Nov 04 15:05
MinceR	schestowitz: might be worth linking this: http://www.redhat.com/en/about/blog/faq-red-hat-and-microsoft-partnership	Nov 04 15:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com \| FAQ: Red Hat and Microsoft Partnership \| Red Hat		Nov 04 15:07
MinceR	not that it particularly clears things up or anything	Nov 04 15:07
cubexyz	more pushing the cloud	Nov 04 15:10
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/662000363860553729	Nov 04 15:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz please do check details before accusing.		Nov 04 15:20
schestowitz	I checked	Nov 04 15:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 4/11/2015: Linux-Based Parcel Delivery,	Nov 04 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	OpenSUSE Leap 42.1 https://t.co/USpm980FaF	Nov 04 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Nov 04 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8hee	Nov 04 15:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 4/11/2015: Linux-Based Parcel Delivery, OpenSUSE Leap 42.1 \| Techrights		Nov 04 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Security Leftovers https://t.co/RtyiGUcsU3	Nov 04 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8hef	Nov 04 15:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Security Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: OSS https://t.co/2SrMMdJAqs	Nov 04 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 15:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8heg	Nov 04 15:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: OSS \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 15:21
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/662001876880244736	Nov 04 15:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz so did we accept money? Did we betray the community? Please explain. And compare to Novell deal.		Nov 04 15:23
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/662002110184189952	Nov 04 15:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz happily on Azure: Canonical. SUSE. Did you check?		Nov 04 15:23
schestowitz	I didn't say it's the same as Novell's	Nov 04 15:24
schestowitz	@jwildeboer I already chastised Canonical over this	Nov 04 15:24
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/662002332763312128	Nov 04 15:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz you retweeted "money over ethics". Proof?		Nov 04 15:24
schestowitz	Red Hat thinks it can give it more customers, but at whose cost/expense?	Nov 04 15:25
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/662002717292896256	Nov 04 15:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz nice. Proof? Did Red Hat accept money? Your retweet claims so, innit?		Nov 04 15:26
schestowitz	It didn't claim anything like that	Nov 04 15:26
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/662002898189045760	Nov 04 15:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz or could it be Microsoft accepting the inevitable? Open wins ;-)		Nov 04 15:34
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/662003296920580097	Nov 04 15:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz you retweeted "money over ethics".		Nov 04 15:34
schestowitz	Not my words	Nov 04 15:34
schestowitz	"Open" does not win when it's run under a proprietary stack by a company that patent-taxes it	Nov 04 15:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/zDEDv8iawK	Nov 04 15:36
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 15:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8hhv	Nov 04 15:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 15:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/zb5dpmFus3	Nov 04 15:36
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 15:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8hhx	Nov 04 15:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 15:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/SMTbTLqsfD	Nov 04 15:37
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 15:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8hhy	Nov 04 15:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's leftovers \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 15:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 4/11/2015: Linux-Based Parcel Delivery,	Nov 04 15:44
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by OpenSUSE Leap 42.1 https://t.co/USpm980FaF	Nov 04 15:44
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz (techrights.org)	Nov 04 15:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8hi0	Nov 04 15:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 4/11/2015: Linux-Based Parcel Delivery, OpenSUSE Leap 42.1 \| Techrights		Nov 04 15:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat’s Deal With Microsoft Resurrects Fears	Nov 04 15:44
TweetTuxMachines	of Software Patents Against GNU/Linux and	Nov 04 15:44
TweetTuxMachines	Introduces Fees https://t.co/oOY65IP4wW	Nov 04 15:44
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Nov 04 15:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8hja	Nov 04 15:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Red Hat’s Deal With Microsoft Resurrects Fears of Software Patents Against GNU/Linux and Introduces ‘Triple-Dipping’ of Fees \| Techrights		Nov 04 15:45
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/662005919430090753	Nov 04 16:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz like Amazon?		Nov 04 16:04
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/662006101785845760	Nov 04 16:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz and how much patent tax does Red Hat pay? Oooooh.		Nov 04 16:04
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/662008722860937216	Nov 04 16:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz do we get vouchers to "compete" with SUSE they way Novell got?		Nov 04 16:04
schestowitz	Novell was a lot worse	Nov 04 16:04
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/662012754677604352\	Nov 04 16:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz we don't get vouchers to "compete" with SUSE ;-)		Nov 04 16:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 4/11/2015: Linux-Based Parcel Delivery,	Nov 04 16:29
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by OpenSUSE Leap 42.1 https://t.co/USpm980FaF	Nov 04 16:29
TweetTuxMachines	@The_Code_Shirts (techrights.org)	Nov 04 16:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8hr6	Nov 04 16:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat’s Deal With Microsoft Resurrects Fears	Nov 04 16:30
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by of Software Patents Against GNU/Linux and	Nov 04 16:30
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz Introduces Fees https://t.co/oOY65IP4wW	Nov 04 16:30
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Nov 04 16:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8hqh	Nov 04 16:30
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*TweetTuxMachines @oioiiooixiii retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Red Hat’s Deal With Microsoft Resurrects Fears of...'		Nov 04 16:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wind blows Helix Cloud, Pulsar Linux, Rocket	Nov 04 16:42
TweetTuxMachines	RTOS toward IoT https://t.co/jxK8OgsonN	Nov 04 16:42
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 16:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8htb	Nov 04 16:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Wind blows Helix Cloud, Pulsar Linux, Rocket RTOS toward IoT \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 16:42
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/662022669920026624	Nov 04 16:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Surveillance bill: broad support gives way to alarm over detail @schestowitz https://t.co/4hLRajdUYz		Nov 04 16:48
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/662022669920026624	Nov 04 16:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GALPon MiniNo Makes Kid-Friendly Lightweight	Nov 04 17:40
TweetTuxMachines	Linux https://t.co/MjEh2onkfQ	Nov 04 17:40
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 17:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8i3j	Nov 04 17:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GALPon MiniNo Makes Kid-Friendly Lightweight Linux \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 17:40
*TweetTuxMachines @diyana_null favourited 'Red Hat’s Deal With Microsoft Resurrects Fears of...'		Nov 04 17:40
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/tallelfin/status/662037037537619968	Nov 04 17:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tallelfin: Heh. I had that same conversation with another #SysAdmin on Monday. https://t.co/2YlFbiZX9E		Nov 04 17:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Is open source overtaking Splunk? https://t.co/WnjeDu4l1J hopefully.I used #splunk and it's overrated, grossly overpriced.		Nov 04 17:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines kernel summit 2015 wrap-up	Nov 04 17:55
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/OrdnKhdqy8 (codemonkey.org.uk)	Nov 04 17:55
TweetTuxMachines	"Exhausting travel aside, kernel summit in	Nov 04 17:55
TweetTuxMachines	Seoul was a good use of time."	Nov 04 17:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8i5y	Nov 04 17:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-codemonkey.org.uk \| kernel summit 2015 wrap-up - codemonkey.org.uk		Nov 04 17:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google tries to woo enterprises with new	Nov 04 17:55
TweetTuxMachines	Android for Work initiatives	Nov 04 17:55
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/aR7ZtC4PkE (www.infoworld.com)	Nov 04 17:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8i5z	Nov 04 17:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infoworld.com \| Google tries to woo enterprises with new Android for Work initiatives \| InfoWorld		Nov 04 17:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Divinity: Original Sin Enhanced Edition May	Nov 04 17:55
TweetTuxMachines	Actually Hit The Linux Release Next Month	Nov 04 17:55
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/9FJ0cuaBkv (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Nov 04 17:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8i62	Nov 04 17:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Divinity: Original Sin Enhanced Edition May Actually Hit The Linux Release Next Month \| GamingOnLinux		Nov 04 17:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The best smartwatch for Android	Nov 04 17:57
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/pjJXn5kdJI (www.theverge.com)	Nov 04 17:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8i6m	Nov 04 17:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com \| The best smartwatch for Android \| The Verge		Nov 04 17:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Software Centre To Be Replaced in 16.04	Nov 04 17:58
TweetTuxMachines	LTS https://t.co/2Bzya5EdZw	Nov 04 17:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.omgubuntu.co.uk)	Nov 04 17:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8i6p	Nov 04 17:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk \| Ubuntu Software Centre Is Bring DROPPED from Ubuntu 16.04		Nov 04 17:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines openSUSE 42.1 Leap Benchmarks	Nov 04 17:58
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/umuNNpBGQC (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 04 17:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8i6q	Nov 04 17:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| openSUSE 42.1 Leap Benchmarks - Phoronix		Nov 04 17:58
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/freedomgirl2011/status/662040787736248320	Nov 04 17:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@freedomgirl2011: Caught On Tape: U.S. Army Jeep Rear-Ends A Nuke~ https://t.co/ZJJJQKsJkr @SpecterNews @schestowitz @jncatron https://t.co/iGvGt7Sajr		Nov 04 17:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zerohedge.com \| Caught On Tape: U.S. Army Jeep Rear-Ends A Nuke \| Zero Hedge		Nov 04 17:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JulieSheats: Caught On Tape: U.S. Army Jeep Rear-Ends A Nuke~ https://t.co/ltItSrxYMU https://t.co/5wifEwFZuo		Nov 04 17:59
XFaCE	schestowitz: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6907#1234	Nov 04 18:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-esr.ibiblio.org \| From kafkatrap to honeytrap		Nov 04 18:05
XFaCE	http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/11/04/feminists-are-trying-to-frame-linus-torvalds-for-sexual-assault-claims-open-source-industry-veteran/	Nov 04 18:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.breitbart.com \| Feminists Are Trying To Frame Linus Torvalds For Sexual Assault [ http://ur1.ca/o8i81 ]		Nov 04 18:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wind blows Helix Cloud, Pulsar Linux, Rocket	Nov 04 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	RTOS toward IoT https://t.co/vGyp3Johqr	Nov 04 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Nov 04 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8ib2	Nov 04 18:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Wind blows Helix Cloud, Pulsar Linux, Rocket RTOS toward IoT · LinuxGizmos.com		Nov 04 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GALPon MiniNo Makes Kid-Friendly Lightweight	Nov 04 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	Linux https://t.co/PhMxlQZJQ7	Nov 04 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linuxinsider.com)	Nov 04 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8ib6	Nov 04 18:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxinsider.com \| GALPon MiniNo Makes Kid-Friendly Lightweight Linux \| Reviews \| LinuxInsider		Nov 04 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/pfAim1vVff	Nov 04 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 18:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8ib8	Nov 04 18:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 18:22
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights https://t.co/pfAim1vVff'		Nov 04 18:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ISG Cloud Comparison Index™: Cost of Public	Nov 04 18:28
TweetTuxMachines	Cloud Linux Highly Competitive with Internal IT	Nov 04 18:28
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/be5V0DDt8L (news.sys-con.com)	Nov 04 18:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8ic6	Nov 04 18:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.sys-con.com \| ISG Cloud Comparison Index™: Cost of Public Cloud Linux Highly Competitive with Internal IT \| news.sys-con.com		Nov 04 18:28
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/662054043737567233	Nov 04 18:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz "Barbarians led by Bill Gates".		Nov 04 18:54
schestowitz	i read the book	Nov 04 18:54
cubexyz	anything interesting in there?	Nov 04 18:58
schestowitz	hmmm..	Nov 04 19:16
schestowitz	some	Nov 04 19:16
schestowitz	I quoted some bits from there in techrights around 5 years ago	Nov 04 19:16
schestowitz	>>> "Brussels offers enthusiastic welcome to our triumphant and infallible	Nov 04 19:16
schestowitz	>>> >> Dear Leader".	Nov 04 19:16
schestowitz	>> >	Nov 04 19:16
schestowitz	>> > I just did an article about this.	Nov 04 19:16
schestowitz	>	Nov 04 19:16
schestowitz	> I saw it, that was fast. Great!	Nov 04 19:16
schestowitz	>	Nov 04 19:16
schestowitz	> Have a good night,	Nov 04 19:16
schestowitz	I shall address the longer E-mail separately. Need sleep now. 10 articles composed today...	Nov 04 19:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SteamOS Is Now Ready for Launch with Updates to	Nov 04 19:28
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Kernel 4.1 and New Drivers	Nov 04 19:28
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/iUBR5A9W7v (news.softpedia.com)	Nov 04 19:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8ioa	Nov 04 19:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| SteamOS Is Now Ready for Launch with Updates to Linux Kernel 4.1 and New Drivers - Softpedia		Nov 04 19:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CoreOS Debuts Tectonic, a Commercial Kubernetes	Nov 04 19:28
TweetTuxMachines	Distro https://t.co/1ogd1neKI2 (thenewstack.io)	Nov 04 19:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8iob	Nov 04 19:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenewstack.io \| CoreOS Debuts Tectonic, a Commercial Kubernetes Distro - The New Stack		Nov 04 19:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/I5iWeFVs4X	Nov 04 19:28
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 19:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8iod	Nov 04 19:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 19:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SteamOS Is Now Ready for Launch with Updates to	Nov 04 19:29
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Kernel 4.1 and New Drivers	Nov 04 19:29
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/FdlCIRmANa (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 19:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8ioo	Nov 04 19:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| SteamOS Is Now Ready for Launch with Updates to Linux Kernel 4.1 and New Drivers \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 19:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Koozali SME Server 8.2 Release Notes	Nov 04 19:29
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/0OfACNNh5S (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 19:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8iop	Nov 04 19:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Koozali SME Server 8.2 Release Notes \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 19:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CoreOS Debuts Tectonic, a Commercial Kubernetes	Nov 04 19:30
TweetTuxMachines	Distro https://t.co/fyZC2MXzkZ	Nov 04 19:30
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 19:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8ioq	Nov 04 19:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| CoreOS Debuts Tectonic, a Commercial Kubernetes Distro \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 19:30
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Today in Techrights https://t.co/I5iWeFVs4X'		Nov 04 19:35
*TweetTuxMachines @DerinCag favourited 'Koozali SME Server 8.2 Release Notes https://t.co/0OfACNNh5S'		Nov 04 19:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.4 Getting Persistent Reservation API	Nov 04 19:48
TweetTuxMachines	For Block Devices https://t.co/MjqNNrvZce	Nov 04 19:48
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Nov 04 19:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8ith	Nov 04 19:48
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6781214	Nov 04 20:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Eric S. Raymond in a sexist site http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/11/04/feminists-are-trying-to-frame-linus-torvalds-for-sexual-assault-claims-open-source-industry-veteran/		Nov 04 20:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.breitbart.com \| Feminists Are Trying To Frame Linus Torvalds For Sexual Assault		Nov 04 20:42
schestowitz	"Not the only source that reported on this story."	Nov 04 20:42
MinceR	and so redcrap's offensive against Linus and the kernel begins...	Nov 04 20:44
MinceR	(not counting kdbus...)	Nov 04 20:44
schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3rienu/microsoft_gradually_embraces_extends_extinguishes/	Nov 04 20:49
schestowitz	"Nice that you have an opinion sir, but could you elaborate your point of view using arguments?"	Nov 04 20:49
schestowitz	"I think you mean Microsoft Linux."	Nov 04 20:49
schestowitz	"why would some one name a company microsoft - sounds like a joke"	Nov 04 20:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com \| Microsoft Gradually Embraces, Extends, Extinguishes Linux Foundation as a Foundation of GNU/Linux : linux [ http://ur1.ca/o8j2i ]		Nov 04 20:49
schestowitz	I wonder what would happen if Torvalds went on a rant against systemd of kdbus	Nov 04 20:50
schestowitz	Maybe he's be accused of physical violence (insult) against LP... oh dear..	Nov 04 20:50
schestowitz	https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/11/02/1549201	Nov 04 20:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/11/02/1549201 )		Nov 04 20:51
schestowitz	"It looks like Microsoft hasn't reformed as some would like to think, but has moved its embrace, extend, extinguish policy to the mobile platform. In this article from techrights.org , we see a company (responsible for Mono) with strong MS connections take over an open source project and close it."	Nov 04 20:51
schestowitz	"	Nov 04 20:52
schestowitz	It looks like Microsoft hasn't reformed as some would like to think	Nov 04 20:52
schestowitz	Umm, who would like to think that, when everything we know about Windows 10 suggests they're as evil as ever?	Nov 04 20:52
schestowitz	What's changed is not that Microsoft has become a Good Guy, but that those companies that might have been Good Guys in the past no longer are:	Nov 04 20:52
schestowitz	- Google: Wants a nice take via Google Play every time somebody adds an app to their phone. Wants to monitor as much as they possibly can about everybody's activities on the Internet.	Nov 04 20:52
schestowitz	- Apple: Also gets a nice percentage of app sales, and intentionally builds walled gardens where you have to pay them to put something in it.	Nov 04 20:52
schestowitz	- Red Hat: Has been pushing a plan to do $DEITY-knows-what to Linux using the ever-expanding thingamajig called "systemd".	Nov 04 20:52
schestowitz	"	Nov 04 20:52
schestowitz	Android allows side-loading. This complain does apply to Apple though. The other complain about Google is accurate of course. Don't forget Apple's eschewing of standards to enhance the lock-in goodness.	Nov 04 20:52
schestowitz	Sadly, the systemd thing is what scares me the most in this list.	Nov 04 20:52
schestowitz	"	Nov 04 20:52
MinceR	what changed is that humans stand ever more openly against freedom and all that is good	Nov 04 20:52
schestowitz	"	Nov 04 20:52
schestowitz	That first complaint doesn't even fully apply to Apple anymore either. Since June Apple developer accounts capable of loading apps onto personal iOS devices have been free.	Nov 04 20:52
schestowitz	So although you can't just sideload pre-built iOS apps like Android, if the app author provides the source you can compile and load it yourself.	Nov 04 20:52
schestowitz	The big caveats of course is that you need a recent Mac to run Xcode, and the app you want must provide have its source code available. But in principle requiring the user to compile the OSS app themselves is more secure than Android sideloading: the user must be more technically knowledgable, and they have the option to check the source code for security/privacy issues.	Nov 04 20:53
schestowitz	"	Nov 04 20:53
schestowitz	"	Nov 04 20:53
schestowitz	I never called what Apple now allows users to do "sideloading". The only times I used that word were when I said "although you can't just sideload pre-built iOS apps like Android" and that it "is more secure than Android sideloading".	Nov 04 20:53
schestowitz	And, if WillR's comment [soylentnews.org] is accurate, Google is trying hard to make Thelaxon's comment ("Google: Wants a nice take via Google Play every time somebody adds an app to their phone") more true... which was the very point you were trying to refute.	Nov 04 20:53
schestowitz	And since you want to argue definition, sideloading is exactly what's going on anyway: "process of transferring data between two local devices, in particular between a computer and a mobile device" [wikipedia.org]. Just because Android users started using it in a specific (and technically inaccurate!) context, doesn't make the term theirs exclusively.	Nov 04 20:53
schestowitz	So no, Apple isn't allowing Android app-like sideloading. But it is now allowing sideloading (by definition!) of unapproved 3rd party software, for free.	Nov 04 20:53
schestowitz	"	Nov 04 20:53
schestowitz	"AOSP Android allows easy side-loading, but Google Android tries very hard to make sure it doesn't work. If your phone doesn't have the Google services installed and logged in to a Google account, an app side-loaded from the Google Android world is probably going to crash immediately. If it does have all that stuff, there's not much point side-loading when you can just... download."	Nov 04 20:53
schestowitz	"	Nov 04 20:54
schestowitz	RedHat does not deserve to be on this list. Everything they do is open-source and GPL, to a fault; new installs of Fedora need external repos for even multimedia codecs and freetype rendered fonts. RedHat has developed almost everything we have come to associate with a FOSS desktop, from GTK+ to NetworkManager to PulseAudio to one out of every six lines in the Linux kernel. RedHat became a billion dollar company, and they did it without	Nov 04 20:54
schestowitz	offshoring their cash (based in RTP), without selling your personal data, and while managing to release the source code to their work.	Nov 04 20:54
schestowitz	You have an issue with systemd, but your issue lies with your downstream distribution, not with RedHat. RedHat hasn't coerced anybody into accepting its initial system. In fact, SystemD has shown which distributions are the real creators, and exposed the fraudulent distros that just repackage and re-skin the work of others. OpenBSD, for example, is moving right along with the latest Gnome, working perfectly, and without systemd, because they	Nov 04 20:54
schestowitz	have competent package maintainers. Your hatred or fear of RedHat is misdirected.	Nov 04 20:54
schestowitz	"You're really stretching the definition of side-loading to fit what Apple allows."	Nov 04 20:54
MinceR	interesting how they carefully avoid saying that what redcrap does is free software	Nov 04 20:55
MinceR	as it really isn't	Nov 04 20:55
schestowitz	yeah	Nov 04 20:55
schestowitz	it's not	Nov 04 20:55
schestowitz	I'm led down big time	Nov 04 20:55
schestowitz	another article tomorrow	Nov 04 20:55
schestowitz	about this..	Nov 04 20:55
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cubexyz	right, give openbsd a try :)	Nov 04 21:28
schestowitz	bsd licence ain't for me...	Nov 04 21:32
schestowitz	and I had bad experiences with bsd on the server	Nov 04 21:32
MinceR	i will give openbsd a try, once i get a new laptop	Nov 04 21:32
MinceR	also netbsd	Nov 04 21:32
MinceR	the main VM will probably remain gnu/linux until bedrock (or something like it) starts supporting *bsd, though :>	Nov 04 21:33
cubexyz	I'm not saying don't use Linux	Nov 04 21:33
cubexyz	I'm merely saying you can use both BSD and Linux	Nov 04 21:34
MinceR	that's my plan :)	Nov 04 21:34
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Epic Games Announces Paragon Game	Nov 04 22:01
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/x2RQ6PspWh (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 04 22:01
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Epic Games Announces Paragon Game - Phoronix		Nov 04 22:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Enlightenment E20 Wayland Support Continues To	Nov 04 22:02
TweetTuxMachines	Advance	Nov 04 22:02
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/V2ODKTNMek (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 04 22:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Enlightenment E20 Wayland Support Continues To Advance - Phoronix		Nov 04 22:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: KDE https://t.co/lYXuqExApH	Nov 04 22:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 22:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8jbg	Nov 04 22:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: KDE \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 22:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is Google spinning a merged Chrome/Android OS	Nov 04 22:02
TweetTuxMachines	for laptops? https://t.co/1wbN3wDTKK	Nov 04 22:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 22:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8jbi	Nov 04 22:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Is Google spinning a merged Chrome/Android OS for laptops? \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 22:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DAQ SBC runs Linux on Zynq, offers FMC	Nov 04 22:02
TweetTuxMachines	expansion https://t.co/hlSApX9u1G	Nov 04 22:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 22:02
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8jbj	Nov 04 22:02
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msb_	MinceR: "<MinceR> what changed is that humans stand ever more openly against freedom and all that is good" That is not true at all. The efforts of Bernie Sanders, Jeremy Corbyn, Pope Francis, the grateful acceptance of Russia's fight against ISIL, the numerous accurate Net news sites, and the fact that many millions of people are watching RT, all indicate that people _do_ want freedom and good, and are becoming ever more aware of what'	Nov 04 22:27
msb_	s going on.	Nov 04 22:27
msb_	Also the Liberal victory in Canada.	Nov 04 22:28
cubexyz	I'd say the average Joe doesn't want to be shafted by corporations	Nov 04 22:31
msb_	"[OpenSuse] always sucked" Absolutely not. Before it adopted systemd, OpenSuse was very well designed and well administered. Instant help is always available in IRC. A free build system is available for users to build packages and add them to a repo. Suse still offers KDE3, or at least did in the last version. Novell's deal with MS had nothing to do with the quality of the distro itself or the work of its maintainers.	Nov 04 22:35
msb_	I've used Suse for 15 years and it's always been good.	Nov 04 22:35
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MinceR	not if you asked him that way	Nov 04 22:36
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MinceR	also, i didn't know msb_ liked .net/mono	Nov 04 22:37
MinceR	after all, that's what *suse/novell was pushing before systemd	Nov 04 22:37
cubexyz	is mono still being developed?	Nov 04 22:38
msb_	I have never used .net/mono.	Nov 04 22:38
cubexyz	ok, yes, they had another release 2 months ago	Nov 04 22:39
MinceR	also, it's interesting how a marxist pope is enough to make msb_ love abrahamic religion	Nov 04 22:39
msb_	MinceR: "not if you asked him that way" Asked who what?	Nov 04 22:40
MinceR	msb_: 043140 < cubexyz> I'd say the average Joe doesn't want to be shafted by corporations	Nov 04 22:40
cubexyz	heck, I'm still looking for a PVR that doesn't encrypt	Nov 04 22:40
MinceR	"i don't want to be shafted by corporations!" then immediately goes on to vote for a corporate party and by a hypePhone	Nov 04 22:42
cubexyz	hard to avoid	Nov 04 22:43
msb_	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME! "a marxist pope is enough to make msb_ love abrahamic religion" That is a LIE. I like what Francis is saying about some social/economic issues, NOT the religion.	Nov 04 22:43
MinceR	and you immediately forgive the International Pedophile Party all their crimes	Nov 04 22:43
MinceR	and don't get me started on the rest of msb_'s bullshit	Nov 04 22:43
msb_	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME! I do not forgive any pedophiles.	Nov 04 22:44
MinceR	once humanity gets what they're fighting for, they'll die out	Nov 04 22:44
msb_	Also Iceland has jailed its criminal banksters, and Syria and Greece are opposing debt slavery.	Nov 04 22:48
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msb_	As to marxism, some form of democratic socialism, e.g., worker-owned companies, a huge tax on wealth, etc., NOT classical Marxism with its "vanguard party", is necessary to repair the enormous maldistribution of wealth and power in capitalism.	Nov 04 23:00
msb_	Also, as technology more and more replaces human labor, it's necessary to deal with the resulting reduction in the number of jobs. Job sharing, a very short work week, etc., all with no reduction in pay.	Nov 04 23:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNU Guile 2.1.1 released [beta]	Nov 04 23:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GNU Guile 2.1.1 released [beta] \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 23:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23 KDE screenshots	Nov 04 23:15
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/4sarnpWb55 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 23:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Fedora 23 KDE screenshots \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Many 64-bit ARM Changes Coming To Linux 4.4	Nov 04 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	Kernel https://t.co/oSpcbGSAhk	Nov 04 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 23:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Will Try To Be Python-3-Only,	Nov 05 04:19
TweetTuxMachines	No Python 2 By Default https://t.co/BvRdxUaFFu	Nov 05 04:19
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 05 04:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Will Try To Be Python-3-Only, No Python 2 By Default \| Tux Machines		Nov 05 04:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is Google spinning a merged Chrome/Android OS	Nov 05 04:19
TweetTuxMachines	for laptops? https://t.co/ADCkDyL8sG	Nov 05 04:19
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Nov 05 04:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Is Google spinning a merged Chrome/Android OS for laptops? · LinuxGizmos.com		Nov 05 04:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DAQ SBC runs Linux on Zynq, offers FMC	Nov 05 04:26
TweetTuxMachines	expansion https://t.co/HGgFqczIOF	Nov 05 04:26
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Nov 05 04:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| DAQ SBC runs Linux on Zynq, offers FMC expansion · LinuxGizmos.com		Nov 05 04:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23 KDE screenshots	Nov 05 04:26
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/jv3jKMszRa (linuxbsdos.com)	Nov 05 04:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxbsdos.com \| Fedora 23 KDE screenshots \| LinuxBSDos.com		Nov 05 04:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Many 64-bit ARM Changes Coming To Linux 4.4	Nov 05 04:27
TweetTuxMachines	Kernel https://t.co/Wf96CkkXty	Nov 05 04:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Nov 05 04:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Many 64-bit ARM Changes Coming To Linux 4.4 Kernel - Phoronix		Nov 05 04:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Will Try To Be Python-3-Only,	Nov 05 04:41
TweetTuxMachines	No Python 2 By Default https://t.co/j7MtoncUOT	Nov 05 04:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Nov 05 04:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Will Try To Be Python-3-Only, No Python 2 By Default - Phoronix		Nov 05 04:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://t.co/zkAKnJn8tg (www.itworld.com)	Nov 05 04:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com \| Are feminists targeting Linus Torvalds for sexual assault charges? \| ITworld		Nov 05 04:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Kernel 4.3 is Released After a Blurt	Nov 05 04:41
TweetTuxMachines	Message from Creator https://t.co/ToZxDtVqGw	Nov 05 04:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.vcpost.com) https://t.co/VBpBT7S7WU	Nov 05 04:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.techworm.net) still 'the' story	Nov 05 04:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vcpost.com \| Linux Kernel 4.3 is Released After a Blurt Message from Creator : Regions : Venture Capital Post		Nov 05 04:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 16.04 LTS to Drop Ubuntu Software Center	Nov 05 04:56
TweetTuxMachines	for GNOME Software https://t.co/bCyYTVj2tS	Nov 05 04:56
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Nov 05 04:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu 16.04 LTS to Drop Ubuntu Software Center for GNOME Software - Softpedia		Nov 05 04:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Xiaomi Will Start Selling Two Linux Laptops In	Nov 05 04:56
TweetTuxMachines	2016 https://t.co/jXjDbKSGIu (hacked.news)	Nov 05 04:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hacked.news \| Xiaomi Will Start Selling Two Linux Laptops In 2016 • Hacked News		Nov 05 04:56
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/662206260113113088	Nov 05 04:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: It's taking too fucking long for this to happen https://t.co/F5nmMVH3Jv		Nov 05 04:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Will Try To Be Python-3-Only, No #Python 2 By Default https://t.co/Sdkjp5dFKV #gnu #linux		Nov 05 04:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Vinux 5.0 released	Nov 05 04:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/WrTfMFG0ml (groups.google.com)	Nov 05 04:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-groups.google.com \| Google Groups		Nov 05 04:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora Developer Portal Officially Opens	Nov 05 05:07
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/11BzXeCDyt (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 05 05:07
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Fedora Developer Portal Officially Opens - Phoronix		Nov 05 05:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines XQt 0.10 Released!	Nov 05 05:07
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/MJo8wRVimt (lxqt.org)	Nov 05 05:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines AMD Already Has AMDGPU DRM Fixes Queued Up For	Nov 05 05:07
TweetTuxMachines	Linux 4.4 https://t.co/TQbFiGVM4j	Nov 05 05:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Nov 05 05:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Call for new Plasma wallpapers contribution	Nov 05 05:28
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/eSEqWn18mo	Nov 05 05:28
TweetTuxMachines	(kdeonlinux.wordpress.com)	Nov 05 05:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "I hope to see distributions to pick up the	Nov 05 05:28
TweetTuxMachines	work and provide a Plasma phone spin."	Nov 05 05:28
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/3jmusASOsz	Nov 05 05:28
TweetTuxMachines	(blog.martin-graesslin.com)	Nov 05 05:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.martin-graesslin.com \| Upgrading libhybris \| Martin's Blog		Nov 05 05:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Desktop	Nov 05 05:29
TweetTuxMachines	Screenshots Tour	Nov 05 05:29
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/SIn9wdWvjC (www.ubuntugeek.com)	Nov 05 05:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ubuntugeek.com \| Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Desktop Screenshots Tour \| Ubuntu Geek		Nov 05 05:29
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6782115	Nov 05 05:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Why an iPhone user switched to Android after six years http://www.itworld.com/article/3000803/android/why-a-user-switched-to-android-after-six-years-of-iphones.html		Nov 05 05:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.itworld.com \| Why an iPhone user switched to Android after six years \| ITworld		Nov 05 05:40
schestowitz	"https://blog.lookout.com/blog/2015/11/04/trojanized-adware/ "	Nov 05 05:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.lookout.com \| Lookout discovers new trojanized adware; 20K popular apps caught in the crossfire \| Lookout Blog		Nov 05 05:40
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6782115	Nov 05 05:43
schestowitz	""Why, Roy?"	Nov 05 05:43
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schestowitz	"	Nov 05 05:52
schestowitz	A comment referring to your recent article:	Nov 05 05:52
schestowitz	"More European Politicians Take on the EPO for Ignoring the Rule of Law"	Nov 05 05:52
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2015/11/03/eu-politicians-vs-epo-again/	Nov 05 05:52
schestowitz	'	Nov 05 05:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| More European Politicians Take on the EPO for Ignoring the Rule of Law \| Techrights		Nov 05 05:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why an iPhone user switched to Android after	Nov 05 05:55
TweetTuxMachines	six years https://t.co/daGN3L1OkN	Nov 05 05:55
TweetTuxMachines	(www.itworld.com)	Nov 05 05:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Grow Home From Ubisoft Looks Like It Will Come	Nov 05 05:55
TweetTuxMachines	To Linux https://t.co/eEf5oJX0CE	Nov 05 05:55
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Nov 05 05:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Grow Home From Ubisoft Looks Like It Will Come To Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Nov 05 05:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/I3rPMOvmlI	Nov 05 05:56
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 05 05:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Nov 05 05:56
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6781074	Nov 05 06:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #redhat site still throws around a meaningless (or ambiguous) buzzword to bamboozle the non-technical target audience https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2015/10/you-ve-gone-devops-what-about-your-systems-integrator		Nov 05 06:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> enterprisersproject.com \| You’ve gone DevOps, but what about your systems integrator? \| The Enterprisers Project		Nov 05 06:06
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6781160	Nov 05 06:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Software patents have also been a sticking point. Red Hat..no indication whether this extends to partner ecosystems" http://www.infoworld.com/article/3001554/open-source-tools/red-hat-and-microsoft-cozy-up-in-the-azure-cloud.html		Nov 05 06:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.infoworld.com \| Red Hat and Microsoft cozy up in the Azure cloud \| InfoWorld		Nov 05 06:06
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6780135	Nov 05 06:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: In #microsoft #azure #redhat #rhel has back doors and built-in file-by-file #surveillance so #security not applicable https://securityblog.redhat.com/2015/11/04/risk-report-update-april-to-october-2015/		Nov 05 06:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://securityblog.redhat.com/2015/11/04/risk-report-update-april-to-october-2015/ )		Nov 05 06:06
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6780623	Nov 05 06:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The Latest Propaganda From Benoît #Battistelli is Promotion of the Unitary Patent (UPC) at Political Levels http://techrights.org/2015/11/04/battistelli-politician-or-lobbyist/ #epo #upc		Nov 05 06:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| The Latest Propaganda From Benoît Battistelli is Promotion of the Unitary Patent (UPC) at Political Levels \| Techrights		Nov 05 06:07
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/662228185862533120	Nov 05 06:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz Is it?		Nov 05 06:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open Source Initiative launches free webinar	Nov 05 06:37
TweetTuxMachines	series https://t.co/kaku4zAne3	Nov 05 06:37
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 05 06:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Open Source Initiative launches free webinar series \| Tux Machines		Nov 05 06:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/NqUdRVeo6j	Nov 05 06:37
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 05 06:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Nov 05 06:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Move over FireFox OS and BlackBerry, Tizen is	Nov 05 06:37
TweetTuxMachines	now the Fourth Largest Smartphone OS in Q3 2015	Nov 05 06:37
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/0dvdjhHnTS (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 05 06:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Move over FireFox OS and BlackBerry, Tizen is now the Fourth Largest Smartphone OS in Q3 2015 \| Tux Machines		Nov 05 06:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Firefox 42 Arrives in All Supported Ubuntu OSes	Nov 05 06:38
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Tx9dqch6Pc (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 05 06:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Firefox 42 Arrives in All Supported Ubuntu OSes \| Tux Machines		Nov 05 06:38
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6777516	Nov 05 07:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: After bombing the * out of #libya we'll pretend to teach them #democracy http://www.ibtimes.com/us-consulting-firm-builds-open-source-mobile-voter-registration-system-libya-2167475 http://wraltechwire.com/durham-based-development-firm-caktus-group-open-sources-voter-registration-software/15057853/ #openwashing		Nov 05 07:14
schestowitz	"@Infirit the only thing I see at the link you provided is a lot of controversy about e-voting in the spirited discussion below the video. In that respect, your “BAD idea” summary is extremely presumptuous."	Nov 05 07:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.ibtimes.com \| US Consulting Firm Builds Open Source Mobile Voter Registration System For Libya		Nov 05 07:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> wraltechwire.com \| Durham-based development firm Caktus Group open sources voter registration software :: Editor's Blog at WRAL TechWire		Nov 05 07:14
schestowitz	"Any system that is not anonymous and not on paper is a BAD idea."	Nov 05 07:14
schestowitz	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI	Nov 05 07:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Why Electronic Voting is a BAD Idea - Computerphile - YouTube		Nov 05 07:14
schestowitz	"Please, please, no more world saving from the USA!"	Nov 05 07:14
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6782025	Nov 05 07:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #US Presidential Candidate Jill Stein: I Want to Be President to Save the World http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/Jill-Stein-I-Want-to-Be-US-President-to-Save-the-World-20151103-0019.html		Nov 05 07:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.telesurtv.net \| Jill Stein: I Want to Be US President to Save the World \| Opinion \| teleSUR English		Nov 05 07:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines More Information Emerges About the	Nov 05 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	Microsoft-Red Hat Patent Agreement	Nov 05 08:55
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/lXWMuRfLxI (techrights.org)	Nov 05 08:55
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*TweetTuxMachines @FadiSemaan followed @tuxmachines		Nov 05 08:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| More Information Emerges About the Microsoft-Red Hat Patent Agreement \| Techrights		Nov 05 08:55
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MinceR	zoobab_: ping	Nov 05 10:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 16.04 LTS with Unity 7 to Support Snappy	Nov 05 11:14
TweetTuxMachines	Packages https://t.co/dicb0XUM8h	Nov 05 11:14
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 05 11:14
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu 16.04 LTS with Unity 7 to Support Snappy Packages \| Tux Machines		Nov 05 11:14
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schestowitz	zoobab_: ping	Nov 05 13:29
schestowitz	zoobab_: thanks for the message, so much has been happening in EU regarding patents	Nov 05 13:29
MinceR	http://edition.cnn.com/2015/09/30/us/kim-davis-pope/index.html	Nov 05 13:33
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/drtocqueville/status/662274652669104129	Nov 05 13:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edition.cnn.com \| Kim Davis met with Pope Francis - CNN.com [ http://ur1.ca/o8mok ]		Nov 05 13:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@drtocqueville: @schestowitz Why are #Brits so hungry for #Privacy #rape Are they going to loose another #colony? #data 12 #months https://t.co/CiF05Eiul9		Nov 05 13:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bbc.com \| Details of UK website visits 'to be stored for year' - BBC News		Nov 05 13:33
schestowitz	zoobab_: I read your feed every day	Nov 05 13:33
schestowitz	not been much there recently	Nov 05 13:33
MinceR	just something about a particular marxist a local marxist loves very much	Nov 05 13:33
schestowitz	I've come to depend on you for updates regarding Europe, since the Digital Minority days and beforehand, so please keep it up	Nov 05 13:34
schestowitz	we might need mirroring of articles in the future	Nov 05 13:34
schestowitz	because of takedown threats (when they happen, it helps to deter against these)	Nov 05 13:34
schestowitz	MinceR: I didn't know who Kim Davis is	Nov 05 13:35
schestowitz	based on the headline, it might be some big name , which would make me feel dumb	Nov 05 13:35
schestowitz	Anyway, Franic is just a stooge	Nov 05 13:35
MinceR	the fascist christian fundamentalist bitch who's a public official but refuses to do her job	Nov 05 13:36
schestowitz	some harmful things, some benign, like talks about global warming	Nov 05 13:36
MinceR	when it comes to issuing marriage licenses to homosexual couples	Nov 05 13:36
schestowitz	Catholic Conservatives are harmed by this, they can't deny global warming with impunity	Nov 05 13:36
MinceR	frank just tries to put a nicer face on an ancient evil cult that's just as evil as ever	Nov 05 13:36
schestowitz	yeah	Nov 05 13:36
MinceR	they'd assert themselves more heavily if they still had the power they used to have	Nov 05 13:36
schestowitz	after they had a pedo scandal	Nov 05 13:36
MinceR	and the way things are going, they will	Nov 05 13:36
schestowitz	and mr hitler youth had to step down for PR	Nov 05 13:37
schestowitz	MinceR: they have a big market share	Nov 05 13:37
MinceR	yeah	Nov 05 13:37
schestowitz	where europeans occupied populations	Nov 05 13:37
schestowitz	mostly south america, some islands in asia, and parts of africa	Nov 05 13:37
schestowitz	that's where the raving "fans" are	Nov 05 13:37
MinceR	and their favorite virus, HIV	Nov 05 13:38
schestowitz	that's also where they make lots of babies and kill over religious issues, take things to the extreme sometimes	Nov 05 13:38
schestowitz	and are anti contraception, anti-homosexuals, etc.	Nov 05 13:38
schestowitz	but anyway, this is a technical channel	Nov 05 13:38
schestowitz	let's not go into it	Nov 05 13:38
schestowitz	the article you posted is too old for including in daily links	Nov 05 13:39
schestowitz	(i would have otherwise	Nov 05 13:39
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schestowitz	> http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/03/gates-foundation-without-bill-philanthropic	Nov 05 13:51
schestowitz	I think you forgot the "X". this is a terrible puff pieces from a paper that Gates PAYS.	Nov 05 13:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| Would the Gates Foundation do more good without Bill? \| Linsey McGoey \| Comment is free \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/o8ms4 ]		Nov 05 13:51
cubexyz	would the world do better without Bill? :)	Nov 05 13:51
MinceR	certainly	Nov 05 13:53
MinceR	even better without all the people like him	Nov 05 13:53
MinceR	also wouldn't be so hellishly overcrowded	Nov 05 13:53
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/662342060888883200	Nov 05 13:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Bill Gates, SOCIALIST, https://t.co/eGNxNX1nqG admits he INVENTED nothing & relied on US gov. deals for survival of Microsoft.		Nov 05 13:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theatlantic.com \| An Interview with Bill Gates on the Future of Energy - The Atlantic		Nov 05 13:59
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/662342635227496448	Nov 05 13:59
MinceR	other "socialists" did the same	Nov 05 13:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz ~2003 at coffee shop, met supplier to Navy: & alarmed to learn he sold them Windows (known 2 B full of holes) @SwiftOnSecurity		Nov 05 13:59
schestowitz	like oligarchs close to USSR Power circles, Gates has connections through his parents	Nov 05 14:00
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/662343425405005824	Nov 05 14:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz In 2000, at Savoy, London, had tea beside chief Microsoft marketers 4 UK: Noted how aloof they were, in a SOFT world their own.		Nov 05 14:01
cubexyz	I blame educators for why things got so bad with Microsoft	Nov 05 14:01
cubexyz	at least partially	Nov 05 14:01
cubexyz	it's true that Microsoft weaseled it's way into schools but the educators and administrators let it happen	Nov 05 14:02
schestowitz	yeah, marketing lobbying and bribes	Nov 05 14:02
abeNd-org	per edu that sounds more like apple in the school districts ive worked at	Nov 05 14:07
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/662344773705969665	Nov 05 14:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: Pierre Jovanovic (Fr.journo) told me ~1990 interviewed Bill & confronted him w/report his Mother did inside-deal IBM https://t.co/InVH83gvOr		Nov 05 14:07
schestowitz	wow	Nov 05 14:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: .@FrancisJeffrey7 like oligarchs close to USSR Power circles, Gates has connections through his parents		Nov 05 14:07
cubexyz	yes in the United States Apple II was in a lot of schools	Nov 05 14:07
abeNd-org	they are always willing to pour tons of taxpayer money into the latest ipads even after students continue to steal them, always buying bigger screen imacs, etc	Nov 05 14:08
cubexyz	and the weak willed OEMs	Nov 05 14:10
cubexyz	I can't count on Dell very much	Nov 05 14:11
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/662347639623577600	Nov 05 14:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Google search: Inquiry into the Existence of Guardian Angels, & francis jeffrey & acknowledgements (~dates our communications)		Nov 05 14:17
cubexyz	AT&T actually did make a nice Unix computer early on that was sort of affordable	Nov 05 14:18
cubexyz	the AT&T 3B1 with an MFM hard drive, for about $4k	Nov 05 14:18
cubexyz	released in 1984... a real collectors piece now	Nov 05 14:19
cubexyz	it was an 'affordable' Unix box at least compared to the PDP-11s	Nov 05 14:19
cubexyz	and of course there was Atari ST, Amiga, etc	Nov 05 14:20
cubexyz	Amiga even made a Unix System V box called the Amiga 3000UX	Nov 05 14:20
cubexyz	that was first released back in 1990	Nov 05 14:22
cubexyz	and technically one could have walked into a Radio Shack in 1985 and bought a TRS-890 Model 16 for $4699 to run Xenix	Nov 05 14:23
cubexyz	so in some ways, our current situation is a regression for Unix based computers	Nov 05 14:23
cubexyz	in the hobbyist world, *nix is doing fine... in the OEM world it's stalled	Nov 05 14:24
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schestowitz	> ? http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6907	Nov 05 14:24
schestowitz	I don't want to entertain this agenda anymore. Waste of resources...	Nov 05 14:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-esr.ibiblio.org \| From kafkatrap to honeytrap		Nov 05 14:24
cubexyz	I'll stick to technical subjects :)	Nov 05 14:26
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/662350101986172928	Nov 05 14:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: When it comes to #copyright, even VPN isn't safe. https://t.co/rkTZZ50MML		Nov 05 14:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #MPAA Can Access #PopcornTime Services & VPN, Court Rules https://t.co/BFzPCNwaqE the moment you realise #copyright giants run the system		Nov 05 14:26
schestowitz	Because terrorism?	Nov 05 14:26
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cubexyz	switching to modern mode here is what Los Alamos Computers is selling for Linux computers:	Nov 05 14:30
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/662350669886582784	Nov 05 14:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz Because money. Because capitalism. (Which is what calls to arms over terrorism were to start with)		Nov 05 14:30
cubexyz	http://laclinux.com/en/Start	Nov 05 14:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-laclinux.com \| Los Alamos Computers: High-Performance Linux Computing		Nov 05 14:30
cubexyz	the local brick and mortar computer stores are pretty bad so assembling your own box is probably still the best route for desktop	Nov 05 14:34
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/tekcurmudgeon/status/662352664496214016	Nov 05 14:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tekcurmudgeon: @schestowitz ...and they're about to get E-E-E'd by Microsoft!		Nov 05 14:37
schestowitz	(red Hat)	Nov 05 14:37
cubexyz	wow, I hope not	Nov 05 14:43
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6782025	Nov 05 14:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #US Presidential Candidate Jill Stein: I Want to Be President to Save the World http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/Jill-Stein-I-Want-to-Be-US-President-to-Save-the-World-20151103-0019.html		Nov 05 14:49
schestowitz	"I support the motion.'	Nov 05 14:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.telesurtv.net \| Jill Stein: I Want to Be US President to Save the World \| Opinion \| teleSUR English [ http://ur1.ca/o8n2t ]		Nov 05 14:49
schestowitz	I think Stein wants to help the world in the climate sense...	Nov 05 14:49
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6783591	Nov 05 14:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #theGuardian which took money (arguably bribe) from #billgates for puff pieces is still at it http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/03/gates-foundation-without-bill-philanthropic http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique		Nov 05 14:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com \| Would the Gates Foundation do more good without Bill? \| Linsey McGoey \| Comment is free \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/o8ms4 ]		Nov 05 14:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/1e8bh ]		Nov 05 14:50
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6783601	Nov 05 14:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Everything you can do with an iPhone was government-funded. ... all of these things were funded by Uncle Sam ..." http://www.salon.com/2015/11/04/5_things_that_wouldnt_be_happening_if_america_were_a_functioning_democracy_partner/		Nov 05 14:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.salon.com \| 5 things that wouldn’t be happening if America were a functioning democracy - Salon.com [ http://ur1.ca/o8n31 ]		Nov 05 14:50
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/musevg/status/662359385260335104	Nov 05 15:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@musevg: @schestowitz It's not that difficult: Fedora is more fashionable… and has far shorter release cycles. So you see your work in action sooner		Nov 05 15:07
schestowitz	Debian has derivatives that have 6-month releases as well	Nov 05 15:08
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/662362001444700160	Nov 05 15:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Will Mr. Bill make as big a mess of Climate as he did of software? $ TALKS https://t.co/eGNxNX1nqG https://t.co/xaWBnkutYl		Nov 05 15:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theatlantic.com \| An Interview with Bill Gates on the Future of Energy - The Atlantic		Nov 05 15:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.breitbart.com \| Bill Gates: Only Socialism Can Save Us From Climate Change		Nov 05 15:14
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/662364603796447232	Nov 05 15:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: How the World's s/w & networks got to be how we find them today: https://t.co/AsJmXpJzoe https://t.co/MhEPUUsbGz https://t.co/1wRAiYELM6		Nov 05 15:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cryptostorm_is: This is the single the best summation of 20 years of internet privacy & security progress we've read in... forever: https://t.co/65NfYSCaL6		Nov 05 15:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights		Nov 05 15:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| More Information Emerges About the Microsoft-Red Hat Patent Agreement \| Techrights		Nov 05 15:28
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XRevan86	http://mate-desktop.org/blog/2015-11-05-mate-1-12-released	Nov 05 15:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mate-desktop.org \| MATE 1.12 released \| MATE [ http://ur1.ca/o8ncs ]		Nov 05 15:38
XRevan86	MinceR: You're not against MATE, are you?	Nov 05 15:38
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/662366392763609089	Nov 05 15:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz well he talks about disruption and innovative technology, but this is not what RHEL is about: outdated software.		Nov 05 15:39
XRevan86	(it originates from code made by Mono founder and current OS X used – Miguel de Icaza)	Nov 05 15:39
schestowitz	XRevan86: thanks for the headsup	Nov 05 15:39
schestowitz	XRevan86: mate isn't any more troublesome than gnome itself	Nov 05 15:40
XRevan86	schestowitz: I was just being petty.	Nov 05 15:40
XRevan86	I use and like MATE.	Nov 05 15:41
cubexyz	Unix traditionalists are rare :)	Nov 05 15:43
XRevan86	… and maintain, so I'll soon be very busy :)	Nov 05 15:45
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/auxesis/status/662230288441847809	Nov 05 16:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@auxesis: When I stop paying attention to how config management is running on my servers https://t.co/mULUakdQIz		Nov 05 16:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@auxesis: When I stop paying attention to how config management is running on my servers https://t.co/mULUakdQIz		Nov 05 16:03
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/haniefhaider/status/662389736615579648	Nov 05 17:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@haniefhaider: @schestowitz Eliyahu Goldratt 'The Goal' fashionable among a certain generation of managers here in Cape Town.Ram Charan Bossidy Christensen		Nov 05 17:09
MinceR	XRevan86: i don't particularly care either way	Nov 05 17:20
MinceR	it's a gnome2 fork so it can't be too good	Nov 05 17:20
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/wowbagger999/status/662396878923964416 https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/662397067281715201	Nov 05 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wowbagger999: @glynmoody @schestowitz #TTIP #TPP & Co seem infected with some kind of #ACTA bachdoor. We should delete them and reboot our systems!		Nov 05 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @wowbagger999 @schestowitz more than that: some of the text has probably been copied and pasted - it was in CETA		Nov 05 17:44
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6784111	Nov 05 18:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The @LinuxFoundation throws its weight behind open APIs http://www.infoworld.com/article/3001227/apis/linux-foundation-throws-weight-behind-open-apis.html #linux		Nov 05 18:09
schestowitz	"Open API is very importante!'	Nov 05 18:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.infoworld.com \| Linux Foundation throws its weight behind open APIs \| InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/o8o3l ]		Nov 05 18:09
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6784204	Nov 05 18:10
schestowitz	"Mepis Antix my favourite distro for Old machines"	Nov 05 18:10
schestowitz	"Tried it a few times and installed it on my mother in laws PC. It was nice enough but I was never a KDE fan. Mepis seemed to miss its target a bit which is unfortunate, it seemed like it was going to take the torch from Mandrake, but then Ubuntu took on that role and Mepis was left out in the cold."	Nov 05 18:10
schestowitz	Seems so	Nov 05 18:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post?		Nov 05 18:10
cubexyz	for very old use BL3	Nov 05 18:23
cubexyz	for kind of old alpine or vector, but there's lots of choices	Nov 05 18:24
cubexyz	AntiX is good too	Nov 05 18:33
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/662395285948276736	Nov 05 18:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Drawpile 1.0.2 Has Been Released https://t.co/e3WlNJJM1H #freesw		Nov 05 18:47
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/662415918316789760	Nov 05 18:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Embedding QML: Why, Where, and How https://t.co/h9tYzgxedG #kde #qt #freesw #kdab		Nov 05 18:47
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schestowitz	So quietly I've just reached 3,500 followers in Twitter (similar number in Diaspora), without cheating or buying 'followers' (as some do)	Nov 05 18:48
XFaCE	schestowitz: including the amazing athiest	Nov 05 18:51
XFaCE	*atheist	Nov 05 18:51
XFaCE	schestowitz: how did you manage to get TJ sub'd to you? :P	Nov 05 18:51
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schestowitz	he sometimes retweets me	Nov 05 20:03
schestowitz	I like his channel too, but haven't watched it in years (used to regularly)	Nov 05 20:04
schestowitz	Also TJDoesLife	Nov 05 20:04
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/hashtag/MillionMaskMarch?src=tren	Nov 05 21:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-twitter.com \| News about #MillionMaskMarch on Twitter		Nov 05 21:00
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/JamiaStarheart/status/662445042058031104	Nov 05 21:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JamiaStarheart: RT @JamesFTInternet: Shutting down #Monsanto Headquarters in DC #MillionMaskMarch https://t.co/mOXFy2cSCm		Nov 05 21:00
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schestowitz	XFaCE: canada too https://twitter.com/CrowdhNews/status/662438442824032256	Nov 05 21:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CrowdhNews: MONTREAL: The #MillionMaskMarch is now underway! #MMM https://t.co/O299N7fUTQ		Nov 05 21:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CrowdhNews: MONTREAL: The #MillionMaskMarch is now underway! #MMM https://t.co/O299N7fUTQ		Nov 05 21:01
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/JamieLeeBrett/status/662436370087026688	Nov 05 21:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JamieLeeBrett: Don't judge the protest on actions of a few but the intention of many who are trying to start positive change. #MillionMaskMarch		Nov 05 21:01
XFaCE	schestowitz: on the NZ, there over 9000 PDFs (exaggeration) of TPP documents	Nov 05 21:25
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/CollChris/status/662466852967198720	Nov 06 02:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CollChris: Same in US.. @Snowden showed and court ruled unlawful NSA spying. Govt now tries to make the crime legal with #CISA. https://t.co/85AHEOxLi8		Nov 06 02:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Ed @snowden put out there #gchq documents to document crime, whereupon GCHQ was found guilty in #uk but rather than jail, Tories legalise it		Nov 06 02:21
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schestowitz	XFaCE: wow!	Nov 06 07:04
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/662600466589700096	Nov 06 07:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz I'm concerned RH in bed with MS, another Novell in the making ???		Nov 06 07:05
schestowitz	No, very different circumstances. Same for Nokia.	Nov 06 07:05
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/662552420300361728 https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/662414953601740800 https://twitter.com/ghabuntu/status/662450227236892673 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/662567637986185216	Nov 06 07:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: Microsoft does not love Linux. They will only do what is necessary to stay relevant https://t.co/YVKjeMlVj0		Nov 06 07:08
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/662567897630449664 https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/662560675097653248 https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/662435748570906625 https://twitter.com/MeirionTweets/status/662564016204681216 https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/662382139309203461	Nov 06 07:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Links 5/11/2015: Framing Linus Torvalds, NetBeans IDE 8.1 https://t.co/bBy7J0jBUo		Nov 06 07:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ghabuntu: Media Coverage of the Red Hat-Microsoft Deal Includes Microsoft Talking Points and Moles, No Discussion About ... https://t.co/Q1zbO6oFS1		Nov 06 07:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Red Hat proliferates and controls systemd while using opensource dot com as a front for their corporate propaganda" https://t.co/enGU3FhklJ		Nov 06 07:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Redhat lost me when they agreed to support MS secure/crippled boot a few years ago." https://t.co/enGU3FhklJ https://t.co/qBkwRQKxS3		Nov 06 07:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: The TPP chaoter on software is basically trumping licences like the GPL with contract law. Am I right? https://t.co/hHSLJZsQDt		Nov 06 07:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Today in Techrights https://t.co/F35cBUyxpr		Nov 06 07:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MeirionTweets: Man who doesn't get Evolution 2nd in running for GOP candidacy & then there's the pyramids - Nurse! #Election2016 https://t.co/AYzoUWGebV		Nov 06 07:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Salon: Ben Carson’s bizarro-world pyramid madness: This is why evangelicals adore him, and everyone else will find him nuts https://t.co/o1pi0VQRab		Nov 06 07:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: Next PopcornTime version will multiplex 100 TOR circuits over MultipathTCP. Voila, problem solved.		Nov 06 07:10
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/662378315068653568 https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/662424633753382912 https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/662436618205179905 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/662585913629913088 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/662586195231248384 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/662590925009457152	Nov 06 07:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: Mozilla spawns another failed attempt to neutralize software patents with their MOSPL https://t.co/P6QbZj5cIp		Nov 06 07:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Is Anybody Still Using Microsoft Windows? Now Is a Fine Time to Stop. https://t.co/YHXWm3JuN5 https://t.co/uh0QkLYUv8		Nov 06 07:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: So-Called ‘Trade’ Treaties Like #TPP and #TTIP Threaten to Legalise #swpats in #Europe and Effectively Ban FOSS https://t.co/BFXSnI32dW		Nov 06 07:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Software Patents in Europe: not just a threat but already a problem because #epo grants them https://t.co/9QEUjKZdQN		Nov 06 07:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #IPDealmakersForum Brags About Having the World’s Largest Patent Troll as Keynote Speaker https://t.co/86vv1qAxBF #swpats		Nov 06 07:11
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/662591117859360768 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/662597762068971520 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/662599611459203072 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/662599858033991680	Nov 06 07:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Intellectual Ventures was conceived by a Microsoft executive, Nathan Myhrvold" https://t.co/nQMT98VFn5 #microsoft #IntellectualVentures		Nov 06 07:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #IPKat Bemoans Crushing of the EPO’s Boards by an Increasingly Paranoid #EPO Management https://t.co/BaCmuhgxZR h/t @fosspatents		Nov 06 07:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| IP Kat Bemoans Crushing of the EPO’s Boards by an Increasingly Paranoid EPO Management \| Techrights		Nov 06 07:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 19,437 blog posts in #techrights at the moment, so 19.5k expected this month and 20k next year. #epo in focus ATM https://t.co/CMIUWvePoB		Nov 06 07:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: SUSE's #patent deal with #microsoft is running out this year (2 months left). Will be interesting to see what happens upon expiry. #novell		Nov 06 07:12
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/662603526179303424	Nov 06 07:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz Gonna read your article, to get the gist of it.		Nov 06 07:13
schestowitz	I wrote 4 articles about the Red Hat deal http://techrights.org/2015/11/05/microsoft-red-hat-patent-agreement/ http://techrights.org/2015/11/04/red-hat-sells-out/ http://techrights.org/2015/11/04/red-hat-deal-with-microsoft/ http://techrights.org/2015/11/05/garbage-media-coverage/	Nov 06 07:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Red Hat Sells Out With a Microsoft Patent Deal \| Techrights		Nov 06 07:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Red Hat’s Deal With Microsoft Resurrects Fears of Software Patents Against GNU/Linux and Introduces ‘Triple-Dipping’ of Fees \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/o8qq7 ]		Nov 06 07:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Media Coverage of the Red Hat-Microsoft Deal Includes Microsoft Talking Points and Moles, No Discussion About Patent Aspects \| Techrights		Nov 06 07:14
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2015/11/05/microsoft-red-hat-patent-agreement/	Nov 06 07:15
schestowitz	odd, it doesn't pick it up	Nov 06 07:16
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/662603810490195969	Nov 06 07:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz Btw, did you read this: https://t.co/0xugFqBbkI ??? A very good analysis of the sad state of affairs in Linux development.		Nov 06 07:16
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schestowitz	I saw that a while back...	Nov 06 07:16
schestowitz	> By the way, DN will have an allegedly exclusive interview with Edward	Nov 06 07:33
schestowitz	> Snowden published at 14:00 UTC:	Nov 06 07:33
schestowitz	>	Nov 06 07:33
schestowitz	> http://www.dn.se/	Nov 06 07:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dn.se \| Nyheter - DN.SE		Nov 06 07:33
schestowitz	>	Nov 06 07:33
schestowitz	> I'll be offline around then for a while but you might want to check it	Nov 06 07:33
schestowitz	> out. It might be in Swedish but Google translate does a fairly good job	Nov 06 07:33
schestowitz	> of translating it. Hopefully they link to the original in English.	Nov 06 07:33
schestowitz	Whether live or offline, in the form of articles with sound bites, it ought to be OK. I think Denmark is used for data collection from the East, just like Sweden and to a lesser degree (due to fear of restriction from Putin) Finland.	Nov 06 07:33
schestowitz	Snowden didn't write anything in Twitter yesterday, so he might be preparing for something or working on something. His feed wasn't so bad as it helped tackle UK repressions this week.	Nov 06 07:33
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msb_	Excellent analysis of Syria situation and US policy. youtube-dl gets it. https://www.rt.com/shows/sophieco/321020-syrian-peace-talk-conflict/	Nov 06 09:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com \| US in stupor, doesn't know what to do or even what it wants in Syria - MidEast studies academic RT — SophieCo		Nov 06 09:30
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrianPardy/status/662646071521341440	Nov 06 10:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrianPardy: @schestowitz @tekcurmudgeon The sick part is when UEFI is done right and users can use their own keys to sign OS, it's VERY user enabling.		Nov 06 10:03
schestowitz	If only every machine was configured this way out of the OEM...	Nov 06 10:04
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/huehuehuio/status/662646215193051136	Nov 06 10:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@huehuehuio: @schestowitz It's a butt actually, hearts look different. Probably some kind of gayonising Twitter, as surveillance incorporated long ago.		Nov 06 10:04
schestowitz	it still gets worse	Nov 06 10:04
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/662646734619832320	Nov 06 10:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @schestowitz many thanks for that		Nov 06 10:04
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrianPardy/status/662647302222401536	Nov 06 10:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrianPardy: @schestowitz @tekcurmudgeon It takes a lot of research to find something that allows the choice going into a purchase. But when it works? 👍		Nov 06 10:08
schestowitz	It wasn't designed to put control at the user's end	Nov 06 10:08
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/huehuehuio/status/662648516276277249	Nov 06 10:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@huehuehuio: @schestowitz Yep - Twitter quite buggy in Firefox, but works fine in webkit-based browsers - most probably intentional.		Nov 06 10:14
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/drtocqueville/status/662652688841199616	Nov 06 10:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@drtocqueville: @schestowitz esp. when they can extend patent $$$ life by alternate #indicated purpose		Nov 06 10:30
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/IPDealmakers/status/662656505234239489	Nov 06 10:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IPDealmakers: @schestowitz 11 of America's top inventors work with IV. Edward Jung is one of them. What's your definition of a patent troll?		Nov 06 10:44
schestowitz	IV is a textbook definition of it, and it has 1000 satellite entities	Nov 06 10:44
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/IPDealmakers/status/662662329583190017	Nov 06 11:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IPDealmakers: @schestowitz Doesn't really answer the question. So having satellite entities makes one a patent troll?		Nov 06 11:35
schestowitz	No, being a patent troll makes one a patent troll. Having 1000-2000 satellite proxies makes one the biggest patent troll.	Nov 06 11:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/662667864936218624	Nov 06 11:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz I was trying to come up with a witty response yet all I have got is wtf, why are there so many morons on earth?!		Nov 06 11:36
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/662661304776310784	Nov 06 11:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: TechRights: Media Coverage of the Red Hat-MSFT Deal Includes [..] No Discussion About Patent Aspects https://t.co/cJ0xmU9OWH by @schestowitz		Nov 06 11:37
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/IPDealmakers/status/662674145881292801	Nov 06 11:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IPDealmakers: @schestowitz So still no answer then. https://t.co/yCM0KFQvQb		Nov 06 11:55
schestowitz	It's like talking to a deaf	Nov 06 11:55
schestowitz	and the paper you link you I responded to in http://techrights.org/2015/09/10/propagandists-for-swpats/ background in http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/David_Kappos	Nov 06 11:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| David Kappos From IBM and the USPTO is Still Lobbying for Software Patents, This Time With a New Glorified ‘Paper’ \| Techrights		Nov 06 11:58
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AntiSoftwarePat/status/662675261125730304	Nov 06 11:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AntiSoftwarePat: @schestowitz @IPDealmakers 1000's of shell companies is typical Patent Troll business structure		Nov 06 11:58
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6786049	Nov 06 12:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #ciapost wants us to think #gnu #linux not secure and #torvalds a bad person http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/business/2015/11/05/net-of-insecurity-the-kernel-of-the-argument/ More gunning for Linus.		Nov 06 12:36
schestowitz	"	Nov 06 12:36
schestowitz	The article would’ve make some sense if dealing with closed source propietary software, but not FLOSS. Possibly it tries to exploit readers that are not aware that anyone who has the desire and knowledge to modify, enhance and redistribute the results of the software (with another name for it) can do it without the blessing of Torvalds.	Nov 06 12:36
schestowitz	I am not a programmer, but I still can say that most of the “complaints” here could be solved by forking or patching linux, etc. That’s the real magic behind FLOSS, right. If those alternatives are not popular yet is because servers and systems administrator do not think of it as better alternatives, yet. Demonizing Torvalds because of his approach on coding one of the most successful and trusted pieces of software to date is plainly	Nov 06 12:36
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schestowitz	ridiculous.	Nov 06 12:36
schestowitz	"	Nov 06 12:36
schestowitz	"Payed by Microsoft or the NSA to discredit Linux."	Nov 06 12:36
schestowitz	"He contributed to the Post’s Pulitzer Prize-winning coverage of the NSA." https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/craig-timberg	Nov 06 12:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com \| Craig Timberg - The Washington Post		Nov 06 12:37
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Joel__	Hi	Nov 06 15:30
Joel__	How do I contact Dr. Roy Schestowitz?	Nov 06 15:31
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cubexyz	so impatient	Nov 06 15:31
XRevan86	10 seconds	Nov 06 15:33
MinceR	:D	Nov 06 15:33
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lirodon	okay, so some people seem to disagree about the intent of that supposed TPP thing regarding source code	Nov 06 16:11
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cubexyz	ok, this is rather out of date but here is the startup sequence for award bios:	Nov 06 16:48
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/award-bios-startup.txt	Nov 06 16:48
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/georgebaily/status/662946457322942464	Nov 07 05:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@georgebaily: @schestowitz "this guy has a non approved OS on his laptop, he could be a mentalist, haul him out!"		Nov 07 05:58
schestowitz	> http://www.wired.com/2015/11/null/	Nov 07 06:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wired.com \| Hello, I'm Mr. Null. My Name Makes Me Invisible to Computers \| WIRED		Nov 07 06:07
schestowitz	>	Nov 07 06:07
schestowitz	> A fellow with the last name of 'O' broke our administrative database a	Nov 07 06:07
schestowitz	> long time ago. The programmers had decided that no last names could be	Nov 07 06:07
schestowitz	> shorter than two letters.	Nov 07 06:07
schestowitz	What kind of constraint was that? Doesn't seem justified. Was it a schema issue of underlying DB issue? Or software that's off-the-shelf and proprietary?	Nov 07 06:07
amarsh04	how do they handle people with only one name?	Nov 07 06:10
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/2E0EOL/status/662950388979605504	Nov 07 06:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@2E0EOL: @schestowitz Fuzz testing is the future! Nobody wants to invest the time though, so systems will continue to be broken by design		Nov 07 06:14
schestowitz	Just needs lots of computing power, some false positives to spend time on	Nov 07 06:14
amarsh04	had a kernel bug hit me on this machine, bisected it and the offending commit was by the same person who had broken a scsi driver on this machine previously	Nov 07 06:15
amarsh04	it took me a while to be polite in my bug report	Nov 07 06:15
schestowitz	[11:10] <amarsh04> how do they handle people with only one name?	Nov 07 06:15
schestowitz	Which countries have such a policy? Native Americans maybe?	Nov 07 06:16
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/2E0EOL/status/662952128311402497	Nov 07 06:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@2E0EOL: @schestowitz Computing power, true but not as expensive as the time needed to construct useful tests? I use Test::LectroTest, it's OK.		Nov 07 06:18
amarsh04	Indonesians often only have one name	Nov 07 06:20
amarsh04	but there have been a few in Australia, so when I worked at the University of Adelaide we had to cope with that when assigning staff email addresses	Nov 07 06:21
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schestowitz	amarsh04: I didn't know this about Indonesians	Nov 07 07:45
schestowitz	i know that in Vietnam the surname diversity is extremely low	Nov 07 07:45
schestowitz	more so than in China and neighbours,	Nov 07 07:45
schestowitz	like CJK	Nov 07 07:45
schestowitz	Parks and Kim are common in Korea	Nov 07 07:45
schestowitz	the surname distribution in Taiwan is also quite amazingly low	Nov 07 07:45
schestowitz	I think that nygyum or whatever it is in Vietnam is the surname of (IIRC) 60% of people?	Nov 07 07:46
amarsh04	yes, something like that	Nov 07 07:47
schestowitz	plagiarism https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/662978608017838080	Nov 07 08:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @MariusNestor https://t.co/5GAup2REH6 kill the bugger		Nov 07 08:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techfrag.com \| Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 Bringing New SMS, Telephony Apps - TechFrag		Nov 07 08:03
schestowitz	Razvan is also feeling lazy today http://linuxg.net/ubuntu-16-04-will-ship-with-a-redesigned-usb-startup-creater-tool/	Nov 07 08:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 508 @ http://linuxg.net/ubuntu-16-04-will-ship-with-a-redesigned-usb-startup-creater-tool/ )		Nov 07 08:04
schestowitz	They're copying softpedia	Nov 07 08:05
schestowitz	ripoff artists	Nov 07 08:05
MinceR	Nguyen?	Nov 07 08:58
MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/SP5KJdM.jpg	Nov 07 08:58
XRevan86	feeeeelings	Nov 07 08:59
XRevan86	Can one rape a man that way?	Nov 07 08:59
XRevan86	or a cat	Nov 07 09:00
XRevan86	through Internet	Nov 07 09:00
XRevan86	Does one have to do anything to rape?	Nov 07 09:04
MinceR	to make SJWs scream "rape"? no.	Nov 07 09:05
MinceR	http://dilbert.com/strip/2012-10-21	Nov 07 09:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dilbert.com \| Dilbert Comic Strip on 2012-10-21 \| Dilbert by Scott Adams		Nov 07 09:38
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/663004006231506946	Nov 07 09:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz I told you so, it' s no longer GNU/Linux, it' s RH/Lennix. We' re like the frog in the pan, slowly cooking and unaware.		Nov 07 09:47
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/663004517265444864	Nov 07 09:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz Bitnami is good, servers in a package.		Nov 07 09:48
XFaCE	yo roy	Nov 07 09:57
XFaCE	schestowitz: look at this garbage	Nov 07 09:57
XFaCE	http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/business/2015/11/05/net-of-insecurity-the-kernel-of-the-argument/	Nov 07 09:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com \| The kernel of the argument over Linux’s vulnerabilities \| The Washington Post		Nov 07 09:57
MinceR	journalism is dead	Nov 07 09:57
XFaCE	one page of drivel, quoting... Matthew Garrett	Nov 07 09:57
XFaCE	and also blaming Ashley Madison on Linux even though they admit that linux wasn't at fault in that situation	Nov 07 09:58
XFaCE	in other words, they're like "Here's an example that's not really an example"	Nov 07 09:58
MinceR	garrett is attacking linux because he's butthurt because they didn't merge his stupid securelevel interface	Nov 07 09:59
XFaCE	schestowitz: noting further that all this is coming out after that "honeypot" allegation	Nov 07 10:00
XFaCE	and of course that mis-reported Sarah Sharpe/Matthew Garrett tantruming	Nov 07 10:00
schestowitz	LOL, coming from a Microsoft guy: https://twitter.com/GaborFari/status/663007802420367360	Nov 07 10:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GaborFari: @WinObs Look at what this idiot wrote: https://t.co/LhGO1bpGKM Makes a living being a troll, I guess. But it must be a meager living.		Nov 07 10:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| The ‘Microsoft Loves Linux’ Baloney is Still Being Floated in the Media While Microsoft Attacks Linux With Patents, New Lawsuits Reported \| Techrights		Nov 07 10:01
schestowitz	Not pointing out errors, just upset about it	Nov 07 10:02
schestowitz	[14:58] <XFaCE> and also blaming Ashley Madison on Linux even though they admit that linux wasn't at fault in that situation	Nov 07 10:02
schestowitz	Windows network	Nov 07 10:02
schestowitz	I wrote about that	Nov 07 10:02
schestowitz	at least one article	Nov 07 10:02
schestowitz	they got their windows domain passwords	Nov 07 10:02
MinceR	now you can write about washington post :>	Nov 07 10:02
schestowitz	[14:59] <MinceR> garrett is attacking linux because he's butthurt because they didn't merge his stupid securelevel interface	Nov 07 10:03
schestowitz	They did merge his UEFI crap	Nov 07 10:03
schestowitz	shim	Nov 07 10:03
XFaCE	schestowitz: I'm guessing that's cause of intel pressure	Nov 07 10:03
schestowitz	although Linux complained that he was deepthroating Microsoft	Nov 07 10:03
XFaCE	and RedH Hat	Nov 07 10:03
schestowitz	XFaCE: yes, Intel	Nov 07 10:03
schestowitz	Red Hat paid his salary	Nov 07 10:03
schestowitz	at least at the time	Nov 07 10:03
XFaCE	schestowitz: and red hat, since they've been fine with the UEFI thing	Nov 07 10:03
schestowitz	Intel and Red Hat co-sponsor some blogs	Nov 07 10:03
XFaCE	and now we know they have no problem being touched by a Microsoft	Nov 07 10:03
schestowitz	Red Hat and Intel are quite close, also when it comes to systemd	Nov 07 10:04
XFaCE	directly	Nov 07 10:04
schestowitz	[15:02] <MinceR> now you can write about washington post :>	Nov 07 10:04
schestowitz	No, I have no patience for that	Nov 07 10:04
schestowitz	it's not that importanty	Nov 07 10:04
schestowitz	*tant	Nov 07 10:04
schestowitz	some people responded, I put that in tuxmachines	Nov 07 10:05
schestowitz	with selective quotes of people who respond to the piece	Nov 07 10:05
schestowitz	and then there will be IRC logs, FWIW	Nov 07 10:05
msb_	I never buy Intel CPUs, only AMD.	Nov 07 10:05
schestowitz	No need to give CIAPost more attention than they already got	Nov 07 10:05
schestowitz	I wonder how Torvalds feels about the piece	Nov 07 10:05
schestowitz	if I had something witty to say, I'd ask Torvalads about it over email	Nov 07 10:06
XFaCE	schestowitz: "Washington Post... FUCK YOU!"	Nov 07 10:06
schestowitz	sometimes they have some decent reports	Nov 07 10:06
XFaCE	on a blue moon	Nov 07 10:06
schestowitz	because they employ some fairly good journalists, same with NYTimes	Nov 07 10:06
schestowitz	but all in all, both "journals of record" are Pentagon mouthpieces	Nov 07 10:06
schestowitz	(well funded at that)	Nov 07 10:06
schestowitz	so they can snap good reporter like James Risen	Nov 07 10:06
MinceR	where were their "fairly good journalists" when this article was vomited out and published?	Nov 07 10:06
XFaCE	schestowitz: also apologists for political correctness	Nov 07 10:07
schestowitz	what's political correctness?	Nov 07 10:07
schestowitz	Entrapping people	Nov 07 10:07
schestowitz	!google torvalds trap esr	Nov 07 10:07
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - From kafkatrap to honeytrap - Armed and Dangerous - Ibiblio \| http://esr.ibiblio.org/%3Fp%3D6907	Nov 07 10:07
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Are feminists targeting Linus Torvalds for sexual assault charges ... \| http://www.itworld.com/article/3001440/linux/are-feminist-sjws-targeting-linus-torvalds-for-sexual-assault-charges.html	Nov 07 10:07
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - a/esr-sharing - LWN.net \| https://lwn.net/2000/0824/a/esr-sharing.php3	Nov 07 10:07
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Any woman in tech could be a false-accusing feminist honey trap ... \| http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/05/any-woman-in-tech-could-be-a-false-accusing-feminist-honey-trap-addled-open-source-guru-warns/	Nov 07 10:07
schestowitz	I suspected so	Nov 07 10:08
schestowitz	Some female Linux dev complained about Shrap	Nov 07 10:08
schestowitz	said she was abusing Torvalds	Nov 07 10:08
schestowitz	and that she had also done that to her husband	Nov 07 10:08
schestowitz	it was a threat from 2013 IIRC	Nov 07 10:08
schestowitz	I can find it if you want	Nov 07 10:08
schestowitz	Linux doesn't "hire" people	Nov 07 10:08
schestowitz	So some trolls end up working like moles inside, inc. Microsoft moles	Nov 07 10:09
schestowitz	who "love Linux"	Nov 07 10:09
schestowitz	Enough to shove proprietary software hooks into it	Nov 07 10:09
schestowitz	while violating GPL	Nov 07 10:09
XFaCE	[10:07:21]<schestowitz> what's political correctness?	Nov 07 10:09
schestowitz	(hyper-V)	Nov 07 10:09
schestowitz	The definition I'd give	Nov 07 10:09
schestowitz	(without looking up)	Nov 07 10:09
XFaCE	schestowitz: authoritarianism, self-censorship for the purpose of not upsetting "feelilngs"	Nov 07 10:09
schestowitz	if what you need to say to remain electable	Nov 07 10:09
schestowitz	so, don't alienate potential votes	Nov 07 10:09
schestowitz	non-whites, women, homosexuals	Nov 07 10:10
XFaCE	schestowitz: it can apply to everyone beyond politicians	Nov 07 10:10
schestowitz	IOW, don't express opinions	Nov 07 10:10
XFaCE	exactly	Nov 07 10:10
schestowitz	Not even on war and foreign policy, unless it's Bush's "axis of evil'	Nov 07 10:10
schestowitz	Then you can make all the fun you want	Nov 07 10:10
schestowitz	mock N Korea, Not S Arabia	Nov 07 10:10
schestowitz	political correctness is a WESTERN term	Nov 07 10:11
schestowitz	won't apply in other countries	Nov 07 10:11
schestowitz	same with words like "Anti-American", Anti-Semite" etc.	Nov 07 10:11
schestowitz	Arabs and Russians don't enjoy these same moral 'proections'	Nov 07 10:11
schestowitz	BTW, I used to think third world country meant poor country	Nov 07 10:12
schestowitz	Not so, look up the definitopon	Nov 07 10:12
schestowitz	First means allies with West/NATO, second means with USSR, "third" with neither	Nov 07 10:12
schestowitz	So they poor-shame people not aligned with some political agenda	Nov 07 10:12
schestowitz	(one that primarily empowers/perpetuates power of Five Eyes and co. (mostly central Europe post WW2	Nov 07 10:13
XFaCE	https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151106/08022132734/jpmorgan-ceo-jamie-dimon-says-government-will-stop-bitcoin.shtml	Nov 07 10:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techdirt.com \| JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon Says The Government Will 'Stop' Bitcoin \| Techdirt		Nov 07 10:15
schestowitz	ta	Nov 07 10:17
MinceR	what happened to microsoft florian?	Nov 07 10:32
schestowitz	He's reformed a bit	Nov 07 10:36
schestowitz	no longer takes money from Microsoft	Nov 07 10:36
schestowitz	he admitted to me that he had	Nov 07 10:37
schestowitz	and explained how he justified this to himself	Nov 07 10:37
schestowitz	remember he did some linux and IBM bashing before that	Nov 07 10:37
MinceR	ic	Nov 07 10:37
schestowitz	now he seems to be going hard on companies that defend the use of software patents	Nov 07 10:37
schestowitz	even Apple	Nov 07 10:37
schestowitz	and I think that if he gets support for that, he might find that advocating for the "good fight" is worth Euros to him	Nov 07 10:37
MinceR	nice	Nov 07 10:38
schestowitz	which is what it all boils down for him,...	Nov 07 10:38
schestowitz	he's a lobbyist	Nov 07 10:38
schestowitz	now he's supportive of techrights	Nov 07 10:38
schestowitz	despite all that I wrote about him (negative)	Nov 07 10:38
XFaCE	schestowitz: so he's a shapeshifter? :P	Nov 07 10:40
MinceR	"But one could not create products more independently and single-handedly than Apple."	Nov 07 10:41
MinceR	what the fuck	Nov 07 10:41
XFaCE	um	Nov 07 10:41
XFaCE	where did that come from MinceR ?	Nov 07 10:41
MinceR	if that's true, what's all the code ripped off from Mach, FreeBSD and KDE doing in their shit?	Nov 07 10:41
MinceR	microsoft florian	Nov 07 10:41
MinceR	here: http://www.fosspatents.com/2015/11/hypocritical-red-hat-hopes-to-leverage.html	Nov 07 10:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com \| FOSS Patents: Hypocritical Red Hat hopes to leverage patents to cement its Linux market leadership: Microsoft deal		Nov 07 10:42
XFaCE	ah	Nov 07 10:42
XFaCE	ah	Nov 07 10:42
XFaCE	Apple Florian?	Nov 07 10:42
MinceR	is he apple florian now?	Nov 07 10:42
MinceR	:)	Nov 07 10:42
XFaCE	Shapeshifting Florian	Nov 07 10:42
MinceR	Weathervane Florian	Nov 07 10:42
XFaCE	Hilary Clinton Florian	Nov 07 10:43
MinceR	lol	Nov 07 10:44
XFaCE	MinceR: http://news.drweb.com/show/?i=9686&lng=en&c=5	Nov 07 11:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.drweb.com \| Encryption ransomware threatens Linux users — Dr.Web - innovation anti-virus security technologies. Comprehensive protection from Internet threats.		Nov 07 11:19
XFaCE	"Once launched with administrator privileges, the Trojan dubbed Linux.Encoder.1 downloads files..."	Nov 07 11:19
XFaCE	MinceR: hold it, does this mean that this "trojan" only works... if you run it as root?	Nov 07 11:20
XRevan86	XFaCE: Well, "trojan" means "user is dumb enough to give it all it needs"	Nov 07 11:21
XRevan86	Question is: who cares?	Nov 07 11:21
XFaCE	Question is... what web servers are going a) download this and b) run this as root?	Nov 07 11:22
XFaCE	or as you put it, who care? :P	Nov 07 11:22
XFaCE	*s	Nov 07 11:22
MinceR	also, apple florian hasn't heard of foxconn or what they do	Nov 07 11:37
MinceR	or who manufactures IC-s, displays, etc. for crApple	Nov 07 11:38
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Brainiarc7/status/663034003331620864	Nov 07 12:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Brainiarc7: @schestowitz slurm?		Nov 07 12:01
schestowitz	[15:40] <XFaCE> schestowitz: so he's a shapeshifter? :P	Nov 07 12:01
schestowitz	In a sense, yes	Nov 07 12:01
schestowitz	[15:43] <XFaCE> Hilary Clinton Florian	Nov 07 12:02
schestowitz	Reptoidian	Nov 07 12:02
XRevan86	Changeling?	Nov 07 12:16
schestowitz	meh :-)	Nov 07 12:36
schestowitz	Someone just told me this about EPO I.U.:	Nov 07 12:36
schestowitz	"Claudio Zanghi, “The Spanish inquisitor”. He is actually Italian. He is the Head of the Investigative Unit. Mr Zanghi looks friendly and reserved but don’t be fooled. Dr Jekyll at the coffee machine and Mr Hyde when drafting reports on EPO employees."	Nov 07 12:36
schestowitz	Details about the head of the #epo 'Gestapo' (as EPO staff calls it) http://techrights.org/2015/11/07/head-of-epo-investigative-unit/	Nov 07 13:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| The EPO’s Investigative Unit Exposed: Part V \| Techrights		Nov 07 13:12
MinceR	gestEPO	Nov 07 13:13
XFaCE	MinceR: very good	Nov 07 13:13
MinceR	:)	Nov 07 13:13
cubexyz	interesting what Nyhrvold said about Windows	Nov 07 13:23
cubexyz	compares the cost of running a PC in a year to the cost of windows	Nov 07 13:23
MinceR	because winblows will kill the pc in a year? :>	Nov 07 13:24
cubexyz	he also states "I don't think Linux is very important"	Nov 07 13:24
cubexyz	in 1998	Nov 07 13:24
MinceR	should have asked about what protects their shitty webservers from load first	Nov 07 13:25
cubexyz	how dare people not pay the Microsoft tax!	Nov 07 13:25
cubexyz	that's the vibe I got from it	Nov 07 13:25
MinceR	no wonder	Nov 07 13:25
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MinceR	they believe the whole world belongs to them	Nov 07 13:25
MinceR	and aren't even trying to hide that	Nov 07 13:25
cubexyz	then he says "it is a serious competitor" later on	Nov 07 13:26
cubexyz	so which is it? :) it is serious or not	Nov 07 13:26
MinceR	it's a serious competitor that is not very important	Nov 07 13:27
cubexyz	that would have been in the redhat 5.2 era, so yes it was pretty good at that point in time	Nov 07 13:27
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/663059061127012352	Nov 07 13:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz @glynmoody I usually don't like such historical comparisons but the EPO is by far the most fascist entity in Munich since 1945.		Nov 07 13:27
MinceR	m$, crApple and the b$a don't have offices in Munich?	Nov 07 13:28
schestowitz	[18:13] <MinceR> gestEPO	Nov 07 13:39
schestowitz	LOL, didn't think of it	Nov 07 13:39
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schestowitz	Hahaha! Florian is now your best friend! :-)	Nov 07 16:34
schestowitz	Jan Wildeboer	Nov 07 16:34
schestowitz	http://www.fosspatents.com/2015/11/hypocritical-red-hat-hopes-to-leverage.html?m=1 …	Nov 07 16:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com \| FOSS Patents: Hypocritical Red Hat hopes to leverage patents to cement its Linux market leadership: Microsoft deal		Nov 07 16:34
schestowitz	He used to be your friend too :-)	Nov 07 16:34
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/madridbombings/status/663104088301793281	Nov 07 16:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@madridbombings: @AnnieMachon @schestowitz @rivin1 @evilallaround @ispeakitasitis		Nov 07 16:35
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schestowitz	"Hehe. "Friend". Let me just say that I encouraged him to do things he shouldn't have done. Like shouting at Rocard."	Nov 07 16:46
schestowitz	"Which resulted in him being kicked out of the Brussels sphere ;-)"	Nov 07 16:46
schestowitz	LOL, I didn't know that	Nov 07 16:46
*amarsh04 is a bit frustrated at working Linux kernel code being replaced with broken code: https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/11/7/31		Nov 07 16:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.org \| LKML: Arthur Marsh: lock-up on boot with x86/PCI/ACPI: Use common interface to support PCI host bridge		Nov 07 16:48
amarsh04	after the same person had earlier done a scsi code commit that broke things for me	Nov 07 16:48
schestowitz	"I'm evil. I work at Red Hat ;-)"	Nov 07 16:52
schestowitz	"This was before I joined Red Hat, however."	Nov 07 16:52
schestowitz	"It was when we at FFII saw that Florian was becoming a problem."	Nov 07 16:52
schestowitz	"He started to support the SUN position. Which was totally not acceptable from our perspective."	Nov 07 16:52
schestowitz	So who is he loyal to at the end of the day? Sincere question. Is he cooking a trick and may stab at the back again later? Bad/good cop?	Nov 07 16:53
schestowitz	"Hahaha! Florian is now your best friend! :-)"	Nov 07 16:53
MinceR	money	Nov 07 16:53
schestowitz	[red hat's jan]	Nov 07 16:53
schestowitz	MinceR: yeah, but I want to see what Jan says	Nov 07 16:53
MinceR	:)	Nov 07 16:53
schestowitz	let's wait and see	Nov 07 16:53
schestowitz	they're very butthurt now	Nov 07 16:53
schestowitz	after the MS deal didn't just yield 100% puff pieces	Nov 07 16:54
schestowitz	"The way he praises Microsoft and Oracle in his recent post compared to how he slams Red Hat (because we stopped paying him. Guess who made that proposal? ;-)"	Nov 07 16:57
schestowitz	"And ATM he claims to be some sort of privateer. I might even buy that. But it also means he needs some headlines every now and then."	Nov 07 16:57
schestowitz	"I haven't talked to him for 3 years."	Nov 07 16:57
schestowitz	Wait, Red Hat PAID him?!	Nov 07 16:57
schestowitz	(maybe he meant for the days of anti swpats activism	Nov 07 16:58
schestowitz	i.e. around 2005	Nov 07 16:58
schestowitz	let's see what he says, this is becoming interesting	Nov 07 16:58
schestowitz	"Yep. Red Hat sponsored his no software patents campaign. Together with MySQL."	Nov 07 16:59
schestowitz	Is this public info?	Nov 07 16:59
schestowitz	"When I joined Red Hat in 2005 I made sure that stopped."	Nov 07 16:59
schestowitz	"FFII was pissed. They felt that Florian was taking money away from them."	Nov 07 17:00
schestowitz	I never took any money from any company (other than my employer). I guess I'm not ahem... business-minded like FM	Nov 07 17:00
schestowitz	FFII was pissed. They felt that Florian was taking money away from them.	Nov 07 17:01
schestowitz	Jan Wildeboer	Nov 07 17:01
schestowitz	http://www.fosspatents.com/2015/11/hypocritical-red-hat-hopes-to-leverage.html?m=1 …	Nov 07 17:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com \| FOSS Patents: Hypocritical Red Hat hopes to leverage patents to cement its Linux market leadership: Microsoft deal [ http://ur1.ca/o8xl9 ]		Nov 07 17:01
schestowitz	FFII was pissed. They felt that Florian was taking money away from them.	Nov 07 17:01
schestowitz	Jan Wildeboer	Nov 07 17:01
schestowitz	http://www.fosspatents.com/2015/11/hypocritical-red-hat-hopes-to-leverage.html?m=1 …	Nov 07 17:01
schestowitz	[Ah, I guess he did mention it, I missed it]	Nov 07 17:01
schestowitz	MinceR: there's some fishy about FM	Nov 07 17:01
schestowitz	still	Nov 07 17:01
schestowitz	he was praised by MS	Nov 07 17:01
MinceR	his praise for crApple already smells to me	Nov 07 17:01
schestowitz	Guetirrez, or whatever's the name of their main anti-Linux patent lawyer	Nov 07 17:02
schestowitz	vice preseident	Nov 07 17:02
MinceR	especially considering that crApple is not only a parasite with shitty products, but they also keep attacking */Linux	Nov 07 17:02
schestowitz	I'll watch out, I guess.... but it's him just following me re Red Hat	Nov 07 17:02
schestowitz	MinceR: Apple is lowering the volume of lawsuits over Android	Nov 07 17:02
schestowitz	AFAIK	Nov 07 17:02
schestowitz	The HTC case was 'settlesd'	Nov 07 17:02
schestowitz	with pay	Nov 07 17:02
schestowitz	and I think it's just Samsung they still go after	Nov 07 17:03
MinceR	not a difficult task for them	Nov 07 17:03
schestowitz	Microsoft does worse now	Nov 07 17:03
schestowitz	after Jobs died the cases slowed down, over time	Nov 07 17:03
schestowitz	it took a year or two	Nov 07 17:03
MinceR	there are a lot of notches they could go down	Nov 07 17:03
schestowitz	they'll lose	Nov 07 17:03
MinceR	they've also bought CUPS so they could fuck it up	Nov 07 17:03
schestowitz	but they still make money in the DRM business	Nov 07 17:03
schestowitz	and their shit is overprised, so money still flows in	Nov 07 17:03
schestowitz	*priced	Nov 07 17:03
schestowitz	CUPS isn't f*ed up yet	Nov 07 17:04
schestowitz	works well for me	Nov 07 17:04
MinceR	afaik they've already started removing features	Nov 07 17:04
schestowitz	"I , too, have a (past) Red Hat connection, but it's none that I would be proud of. Over the decades I've done work for a variety of companies, and Red Hat is the only one I wish I had never worked with. They supported my NoSoftwarePatents campaign in late 2004 and early 2005, probably because they just thought a sponsorship was useful for currying favor with the FOSS community. They were far larger than MySQL AB but contributed a far	Nov 07 17:04
schestowitz	smaller amount."	Nov 07 17:04
schestowitz	Jan: "As public as it can get ;-)"	Nov 07 17:04
schestowitz	That helps add context	Nov 07 17:05
schestowitz	"Always happy to help :-)"	Nov 07 17:06
schestowitz	Don't take any of my writings about Red Hat personally. It's a bug company now, so there are competing interests therein, between separate groups, products, not just people. Red Hat even hired managers from Microsoft.	Nov 07 17:07
schestowitz	*big	Nov 07 17:07
schestowitz	MinceR: red hat is chatting about these now	Nov 07 17:08
schestowitz	the writings by varghese, FM, techrights	Nov 07 17:08
MinceR	they're realizing they shouldn't have copied novell so closely?	Nov 07 17:08
schestowitz	let's see if the "Open Organization" as Whitehurst calls it sheds some light on the patent situation (e.g. GPL compatibility and how so)	Nov 07 17:08
schestowitz	Jan: "And you can as Carlo Piana about the Red Hat/Microsoft deal. He knows the contract. Not even I do. Carlo did say there is no patent deal in there. But don't trust me. That's perfectly ok. Doesn't change my respect towards you."	Nov 07 17:09
schestowitz	"Ask. Not as"	Nov 07 17:09
schestowitz	So they contracted Piana to help with the deal?	Nov 07 17:09
schestowitz	"Yes. We hired managers from Microsoft. And Oracle. And IBM. And they all get the personal brainwash by me in Munich ;-)"	Nov 07 17:10
schestowitz	"Carlo told me the agreement is fully GPL compliant."	Nov 07 17:10
schestowitz	"Yes, we did."	Nov 07 17:10
schestowitz	Tell Piana (nice guy) and Whitehurst (I interview him) to consider releasing the info to the public to stop speculations then...	Nov 07 17:10
schestowitz	I used to defend Red Hat even when they made patent deals, e.g. with the trolls	Nov 07 17:11
MinceR	their faq claims the pact includes that "neither company will pursue a patent lawsuit or claim against the other or its customers, while we are partnering"	Nov 07 17:12
schestowitz	Because Red Hat showed it was GPL compatible and shared the details, didn't hide them	Nov 07 17:12
MinceR	similar weaseling around patents as the novell "covenant not to sue"	Nov 07 17:12
schestowitz	I can still change my mind and offer an updated interpretation	Nov 07 17:12
schestowitz	MinceR: yeah	Nov 07 17:12
MinceR	so either there's a patent deal or they lie about the deal on http://www.redhat.com/en/about/blog/faq-red-hat-and-microsoft-partnership	Nov 07 17:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com \| FAQ: Red Hat and Microsoft Partnership \| Red Hat		Nov 07 17:12
schestowitz	this is why I want to see the binding contract	Nov 07 17:12
MinceR	_and_ they expect us to eat this bullshit	Nov 07 17:12
schestowitz	not some verbal stuff from a geek, not some lawyer	Nov 07 17:12
MinceR	what a slimy bunch of career criminals	Nov 07 17:13
schestowitz	"Unfortunately not going to happen."	Nov 07 17:13
schestowitz	"I am pushing our legal department to publish general advice with template language however."	Nov 07 17:13
schestowitz	"Please don't. Only if you get the assurance and info you need."	Nov 07 17:13
schestowitz	Nothing to fear, nothing to hide	Nov 07 17:13
schestowitz	"I'm not the one who can deliver that. Carlo can, I hope."	Nov 07 17:13
schestowitz	Ask Piana	Nov 07 17:13
schestowitz	"I am pushing our legal department to publish general advice with template language however."	Nov 07 17:14
schestowitz	"Unfortunately not going to happen."	Nov 07 17:15
schestowitz	"I don't like the deal. But I understand why it's a good thing."	Nov 07 17:15
schestowitz	"It was 100% customer driven."	Nov 07 17:15
schestowitz	"They wanted this. Microsoft accepted that. After almost two years."	Nov 07 17:15
schestowitz	"Canonical/SUSE just wasn't good enough for Azure customers."	Nov 07 17:15
schestowitz	"It was 100% customer driven." is Novell speak	Nov 07 17:15
schestowitz	And I explained why it's not a good thing for the community, irrespective of Red Hat's interests and its customers'	Nov 07 17:16
schestowitz	I said this in comments, in articles, social media	Nov 07 17:16
schestowitz	PJ used to call it Yuppie Nuremberg defence	Nov 07 17:16
MinceR	LOL	Nov 07 17:16
MinceR	231530 < schestowitz> "Canonical/SUSE just wasn't good enough for Azure customers."	Nov 07 17:16
MinceR	if there was anything that wasn't good enough for azure customers, they wouldn't be azure customers	Nov 07 17:17
schestowitz	"Hehe. They all went to the same disinformation school, I guess ;-)"	Nov 07 17:17
schestowitz	"Again, I'm not a fan."	Nov 07 17:17
schestowitz	I know, it's like when I'm asked to remotely access Windows to do something from the one paying the salary	Nov 07 17:18
schestowitz	"I know, it's like when I'm asked to remotely access Windows to do something from the one paying the salary"	Nov 07 17:18
schestowitz	Could Microsoft not omit the whole parent thing for Azure?	Nov 07 17:18
schestowitz	Canonica;'s azure deal hasn't got that crap, like "standstill"	Nov 07 17:18
schestowitz	t "neither company will pursue a patent lawsuit or claim against the other or its customers, while we are partnering"	Nov 07 17:19
schestowitz	"But I do see that we got a deal that SUSE or Canonical couldn't get."	Nov 07 17:20
schestowitz	"I am willing to wait a year and see what happens."	Nov 07 17:20
schestowitz	"They were told "sign here". And they did."	Nov 07 17:20
schestowitz	"We insisted on that. On not recognizing any patent value."	Nov 07 17:20
schestowitz	Were Webbink, Tiller et al involved in this?	Nov 07 17:21
schestowitz	Can I interview any of them about this?	Nov 07 17:21
schestowitz	"That was the show stopper for almost two years."	Nov 07 17:21
schestowitz	"We didn't give in ;-)"	Nov 07 17:21
schestowitz	"But my sources inside Microsoft tell me that Nadella wants to move away from the patent mess."	Nov 07 17:21
schestowitz	LOL	Nov 07 17:21
schestowitz	Why did he do what he did to ASUS, Kyocera, Dell, and Samsung?	Nov 07 17:22
schestowitz	Maybe he can write about this in opensource.com	Nov 07 17:22
schestowitz	He has not written there for ages	Nov 07 17:22
schestowitz	Not about patent policy, not software patents, not trolls, nothing...	Nov 07 17:23
schestowitz	"I don't know. I do know he allowed our deal to go through."	Nov 07 17:23
schestowitz	Let's just say that I don't know how Tiller intends to really tackle swpats, if he's at all interested in this...	Nov 07 17:23
schestowitz	Maybe I'll do patent search later to see if Red Hat still applies for patents on software	Nov 07 17:24
schestowitz	"I don't know. I do know he allowed our deal to go through."	Nov 07 17:24
schestowitz	"I'll ask around."	Nov 07 17:24
schestowitz	"I'm As interested to get this out in public as you are."	Nov 07 17:24
schestowitz	Tell him. OPEN Organisation. Like the book ;-)	Nov 07 17:24
schestowitz	"We do.	Nov 07 17:25
schestowitz	"	Nov 07 17:25
amarsh04	one shouldn't trust hearsay, just use it to help find hard evidence	Nov 07 17:25
schestowitz	Applying for spftware patents serves to convince me that Red Hat's size and growing budget goes to waste, like Gates after his "standstill" remark	Nov 07 17:25
MinceR	ooh, poor little innocent m$ wants to move away from the mess that is in large part their fault?	Nov 07 17:25
MinceR	how cute.	Nov 07 17:25
schestowitz	He and Microsoft both say standstill	Nov 07 17:26
schestowitz	Gates said patents would lead to a standstill (when Microsoft was small), not that he's back in MS management I hear of a patent "standstill" with Red Hat. Still same language.	Nov 07 17:26
schestowitz	Serves to show two giants agreeing to help each other, like with Novell...	Nov 07 17:26
schestowitz	"As interested to get this out in public as you are."	Nov 07 17:27
schestowitz	"We do."	Nov 07 17:27
schestowitz	"But still under our patent promise.'	Nov 07 17:27
schestowitz	"All our patents are also going to OIN."	Nov 07 17:27
schestowitz	"This is a different standstill. No cross licensing. No payments."	Nov 07 17:27
schestowitz	Sun also was peaceful, but what happened when Oracle got the patents?	Nov 07 17:28
schestowitz	OIN Oracle...	Nov 07 17:28
schestowitz	I asked Red hat this several years ago, no assurance if Red Hat gets sold (it's not too expensive for some OEMs to devour, with MBAs who don't care about Linux signing the deal)	Nov 07 17:28
schestowitz	Novell was in OIN and the patents are now in CPTN (Oracle, Microsoft, Apple)	Nov 07 17:29
MinceR	i doubt deadrat will end up any better than novell did	Nov 07 17:29
schestowitz	"All our patents are also going to OIN."	Nov 07 17:30
schestowitz	"This is a different standstill. No cross licensing. No payments."	Nov 07 17:30
schestowitz	"Not even acceptance of validity."	Nov 07 17:30
schestowitz	"I'll try to get more details in the open."	Nov 07 17:30
schestowitz	"Yep. And I cannot garantuee we might not get bought. But IMHO it's never going to happen."	Nov 07 17:30
schestowitz	"But now I'm off to get some sleep."	Nov 07 17:30
schestowitz	Explain this to Jim. We need "Open"	Nov 07 17:30
schestowitz	"Gartner event in Barcelona next week. Analyst meetings."	Nov 07 17:30
schestowitz	Greedy bastards (Gartner)	Nov 07 17:30
schestowitz	"Gartner event in Barcelona next week. Analyst meetings."	Nov 07 17:31
schestowitz	"Guess what they want to talk about ;-)"	Nov 07 17:31
schestowitz	*It's called "gartner tax"	Nov 07 17:31
schestowitz	Not my term, people use it to mean money you pay those scumbags to make sure they stay on the good side of you... that's their biz model	Nov 07 17:32
schestowitz	"And I'll meet Jim there. I will ask."	Nov 07 17:32
schestowitz	"But now I'm off to get some sleep."	Nov 07 17:32
schestowitz	"Yep. And I cannot garantuee we might not get bought. But IMHO it's never going to happen."	Nov 07 17:32
schestowitz	"Yep. But giving out loads of red hats so people wear them at the sponsor party paid by Microsoft is worth it ;-)"	Nov 07 17:33
schestowitz	Oh dear..	Nov 07 17:33
schestowitz	"At least for me :-)"	Nov 07 17:33
schestowitz	I know what happens when people get into symbolism, uniform, tribalism	Nov 07 17:33
schestowitz	"They complained bitterly last year."	Nov 07 17:33
MinceR	yes, it will help drive the point that m$ and ratcrap are best buddies now	Nov 07 17:33
MinceR	+home	Nov 07 17:34
schestowitz	yeah	Nov 07 17:34
schestowitz	like Hovsepian	Nov 07 17:34
schestowitz	ewww	Nov 07 17:34
schestowitz	"All of the photos they got from the floor were filled with red hats."	Nov 07 17:34
schestowitz	That's just branding, let's see gnus	Nov 07 17:34
schestowitz	"I even have a Shadowman tattoo ;-)"	Nov 07 17:34
schestowitz	"No gnu on my sacred body :-)'	Nov 07 17:35
schestowitz	That's too bad, RMS would be upset. Anywya, g'night. Good luck opening this up.	Nov 07 17:35
schestowitz	"No gnu on my sacred body :-)"	Nov 07 17:37
schestowitz	"Thanks for the nice chat!"	Nov 07 17:37
schestowitz	--	Nov 07 17:37
schestowitz	over	Nov 07 17:37
schestowitz	MinceR: I think they start to feel the heat	Nov 07 17:37
schestowitz	it's not just about patents but good citizenship	Nov 07 17:37
schestowitz	meaning, not too much silencing of FSF etc.	Nov 07 17:38
schestowitz	remember FSF gets money from them	Nov 07 17:38
schestowitz	so GNU/RMS cannot say much about systemd	Nov 07 17:38
MinceR	well, now they can give the FSF more money	Nov 07 17:38
schestowitz	Linux Foundation has more sponsored	Nov 07 17:38
MinceR	as it has given up its principles already	Nov 07 17:38
schestowitz	But many of Torvalds' colleagues work for Red Hat	Nov 07 17:38
MinceR	and became the Gratis Windows Foundation	Nov 07 17:38
schestowitz	very core parts of the kernel	Nov 07 17:38
schestowitz	Red Hat, I think, is almost worth 20 billion now	Nov 07 17:38
schestowitz	Canonical maybe 80 million?	Nov 07 17:38
MinceR	everything is being fucked up	Nov 07 17:38
schestowitz	Not sure, maybe that's turnover	Nov 07 17:39
MinceR	i wonder when will putin nuke us all	Nov 07 17:39
schestowitz	I doubt it	Nov 07 17:39
schestowitz	MinceR: putin doesn't need to nuke us, his comrades will do a fine job, in due course, with their crappy aging system	Nov 07 17:39
schestowitz	!google jeep accident military nuke truck	Nov 07 17:40
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schestowitz	Even the US can't do it right	Nov 07 17:40
MinceR	it would speed along the extinction of humanity just fine, though	Nov 07 17:40
schestowitz	passing nukes past main roads like it's some fedex delivery surrounded by armoured vehicles	Nov 07 17:40
MinceR	well, it's not like nukes are important to defend	Nov 07 17:41
MinceR	unlike important politicians	Nov 07 17:41
schestowitz	important people whose skill is writing and speech-giving?	Nov 07 17:46
schestowitz	People who can't make a simple device, write code, or fight?	Nov 07 17:46
schestowitz	Those who call experts and techs "nerds"?	Nov 07 17:46
schestowitz	Politicians are just corporations' vehicles for power	Nov 07 17:46
schestowitz	exploiting or even changing so-called law to get more for themselves and less/nothing for everybody else	Nov 07 17:47
MinceR	yes, important people whose only skill is persuading other people to fuck up life for everybody	Nov 07 17:47
MinceR	ironic how the typical human paralyzing fear of death may well lead to the death of all humans (via religion)	Nov 07 17:49
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/663128754311532545	Nov 07 18:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: +1 https://t.co/35zpwqr5Js		Nov 07 18:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Watching the story of Swartz inspired me to continue my activism against #censorship and against bullying designed to impede #freespeech		Nov 07 18:05
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Reconquista1970/status/663141748709974016	Nov 07 18:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Reconquista1970: @schestowitz They rage against capitalism with their iPhones, designer clothes and mass produced Guy Fawkes masks. #bellends		Nov 07 18:57
schestowitz	They should rage against capitalism naked, with rocks, stones, and very thick ash stains for anonymity???	Nov 07 18:57
MinceR	they shouldn't rage against capitalism, they should rage against things that exist	Nov 07 18:58
MinceR	they should rage against oppression, exploitation, unfree markets, monopoly exploitation, etc.	Nov 07 18:59
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Reconquista1970/status/663144091165851648	Nov 07 19:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Reconquista1970: @schestowitz well yes, Capitalism with all its flaws is the only game in town		Nov 07 19:01
MinceR	it's not the only game marx wrote about. we tried the other.	Nov 07 19:02
MinceR	it was a total disaster.	Nov 07 19:02
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/663147432247754752	Nov 07 19:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz @alexghibbert Im gonna get my vendetta mask now the occasion is over. Should be cheaper. Like wrapping paper.		Nov 07 19:17
schestowitz	dafaq http://www.techtimes.com/articles/101857/20151103/nintendo-is-censoring-13-year-old-xenoblade-chronicles-x-character-over-racy-costume.htm http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/nintendo-covers-up-underage-girls-in-western-version-of-xenoblade-chronicles-x/0158361	Nov 07 19:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techtimes.com \| Nintendo Is Censoring 13-Year-Old 'Xenoblade Chronicles X' Character Over Racy Costume : PERSONAL TECH : Tech Times		Nov 07 19:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mcvuk.com \| Nintendo covers up underage girls in Western version of Xenoblade Chronicles X \| Games industry news \| MCV		Nov 07 19:47
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/alvfig/status/663155474649513988	Nov 07 19:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@alvfig: @hgfernan @Mackellsud @coisasdogeek @eliaspraciano @Darkwings1Mr @schestowitz @brigserman @sapo2025 @ro7_so67 vlw #FFB		Nov 07 19:48
balrog	schestowitz: "censoring"? the original is downright atrocious looking: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1132037	Nov 07 19:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.neogaf.com \| Looks like Nintendo changed some outfits for Lin in Xenoblade X - NeoGAF		Nov 07 19:54
balrog	(and it seems like much of NeoGAF agrees)	Nov 07 19:54
msb_	I think all nuclear bombs these days are of the implosion type, and they will not go off unless all of the explosive lenses are detonated at exactly the same time, which has to be done electronically. Can't happen from mere impact.	Nov 07 20:37
msb_	http://hollywoodprogressive.com/collateral-damage	Nov 07 20:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hollywoodprogressive.com \| Collateral Damage		Nov 07 20:38
MinceR	i hope that's true	Nov 07 20:42
MinceR	and that the electronics are designed, built and operated with due diligence	Nov 07 20:42
MinceR	of course, a mere impact could still shatter the bomb and cause fallout...	Nov 07 20:42
msb_	schestowitz: You could liken the RedHat-Microsoft deal to the Hitler-Stalin Non-Agression Pact.	Nov 07 20:42
msb_	A little plutonium dust from the undetonated core, but negligeable compared to the amount of fallout from a fission detonation.	Nov 07 20:45
msb_	The electronics are designed very carefully with multiple circuits that must be operated for the bomb to go off.	Nov 07 20:46
MinceR	that depends on the energy of the impact	Nov 07 20:47
MinceR	as for the electronics, think about the IT products marketroids say are very carefully designed and of very high quality :>	Nov 07 20:47
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MinceR	(or read dilbert and consider that the supplier may well be such a company :> )	Nov 07 20:48
msb_	No. A high energy impact will simply shatter the electronics package, not operate it.	Nov 07 20:48
XFaCE	MinceR: dilbert is awesome	Nov 07 20:49
MinceR	it would shatter the core more completely, though, and spread the fallout more	Nov 07 20:49
MinceR	XFaCE: indeed.	Nov 07 20:49
XFaCE	[20:42:29]<msb_> schestowitz: You could liken the RedHat-Microsoft deal to the Hitler-Stalin Non-Agression Pact.	Nov 07 20:50
MinceR	msb_: is there a concrete scenario you have in mind, btw?	Nov 07 20:50
XFaCE	nah, cause that assumes that Red Hat and Microsoft are diametrically opposed to each other	Nov 07 20:50
MinceR	no, hitler and stalin weren't diametrically opposed to each other	Nov 07 20:51
MinceR	though that's what the russians would very much have you believe	Nov 07 20:51
msb_	No, I just thought that a patent non-aggression pact was similar, and the idea would stick in people's mind.	Nov 07 20:51
MinceR	i agree with that	Nov 07 20:51
msb_	MinceR: As to capitalism, you seem to be saying that what we have isn't really capitalism. But it _is_. In our economic system, money equals power, and since many people are susceptible to bribery, wealthy people end up controlling governments and news media, which they use to make themselves even more wealthy by lying propaganda and military attacks. That has turned out to be the (d)evolution of capitalism. You might like to think	Nov 07 21:02
msb_	that capitalism is just grocery stores and small farms on Main Street like in cowboy movies, but it's not. It's destruction of entire nations, the murder of millions of people, poisoning more millions with GMO "food", bribing government to _prevent_ GMO labelling, selling billions of dollars worth of toxic anti-viral vaccines while suppressing the knowledge that Vitamin C enables the body to throw off all viral infections (except maybe	Nov 07 21:02
msb_	retroviruses), etc.	Nov 07 21:02
MinceR	i think it's a bad idea to adopt the term from marx	Nov 07 21:02
MinceR	since his theory has failed quite spectacularly	Nov 07 21:02
MinceR	it also distracts people from the important points, like having a free market.	Nov 07 21:03
msb_	We've been through this before. Marx did not invent the term "capitalism".	Nov 07 21:03
MinceR	he did not	Nov 07 21:03
MinceR	but he did invent the application of that term to what people apply it today.	Nov 07 21:03
MinceR	what others called "capitalism" before marx is not considered today	Nov 07 21:04
MinceR	and i think it was already demonstrated here that trying to do that would lead to absurd results	Nov 07 21:04
msb_	How would you enforce a "free market", given the existence of bribery and lying propaganda via money control of news media?	Nov 07 21:07
MinceR	regulation, transparency, heavier reliance on the Internet and elimination of censorship, mainly	Nov 07 21:09
msb_	Those would all be good, but bribery is very easy to conceal.	Nov 07 21:10
MinceR	afaik nobody has a better idea.	Nov 07 21:11
MinceR	and no, command economy is not it.	Nov 07 21:11
msb_	Worker-owned businesses, like Mondragon. Totally different from command economy.	Nov 07 21:12
MinceR	also, afaik, there are countries on Earth that have significantly lower rates of corruption (or the perception thereof)	Nov 07 21:12
MinceR	perhaps we could learn from them.	Nov 07 21:12
MinceR	i don't think anyone's banning worker-owned businesses from the market currently	Nov 07 21:12
MinceR	where monopolists are exploiting their control, it's not a question of being worker-owned, as far as i can tell	Nov 07 21:13
msb_	Eliminating corporations entirely would be a very good thing. Make stockholders personally criminally liable for injuries and deaths caused by companies' products.	Nov 07 21:15
MinceR	eliminating the principle of limited liability?	Nov 07 21:15
MinceR	it would have an enormous cooling effect on entrepreneurship	Nov 07 21:16
MinceR	then again, you may be meaning only the criminal liability part, not the monetary liability part	Nov 07 21:16
MinceR	that part might work, i'm not sure	Nov 07 21:16
msb_	Yes, on _criminal_ entrepreneurship.	Nov 07 21:16
msb_	Nope, both.	Nov 07 21:17
MinceR	no, eliminating limited liability entirely would likely eliminate noncriminal entrepreneurship as well	Nov 07 21:17
MinceR	who would dare risk the financial wellbeing of their family just to start a business?	Nov 07 21:17
msb_	If people lose their own money, that's fine.	Nov 07 21:18
MinceR	for you	Nov 07 21:18
MinceR	for them, it may mean having to live on the street and starving	Nov 07 21:19
MinceR	all that for an idea for a business that didn't work out.	Nov 07 21:19
MinceR	and of course it would hit the little guys the hardest	Nov 07 21:19
XFaCE	"Real journalism can hurt people’s feelings; ‘safe’ ‘journalism’ (puff pieces to appease or invite advertisers) does not."	Nov 07 21:20
MinceR	:>	Nov 07 21:20
MinceR	it hurts their minds instead	Nov 07 21:21
MinceR	if they believe it	Nov 07 21:21
msb_	So all of their customers who paid in advance and never got anything should live in the street instead?	Nov 07 21:21
MinceR	it's a lot less likely that someone would be broke because they paid in advance for something and didn't get it	Nov 07 21:21
MinceR	also, eliminating limited liability won't even guarantee they won't live in the street	Nov 07 21:22
MinceR	the debtor may simply not have enough funds to repay everyone	Nov 07 21:22
msb_	How do you prevent bribery by, e.g., slipping someone gold or silver?	Nov 07 21:22
MinceR	cultivating a culture that makes it unacceptable	Nov 07 21:23
MinceR	rewarding disclosure of such events, perhaps	Nov 07 21:23
MinceR	can you show a system in which bribery can not happen?	Nov 07 21:23
msb_	Worker ownership is inherently far more transparent than our capitalism.	Nov 07 21:24
MinceR	bribery can still happen with worker ownership	Nov 07 21:25
MinceR	afaict worker ownership is entirely inapplicable to the state, so it can have no effect there	Nov 07 21:25
msb_	But it's far easier with hierarchical control.	Nov 07 21:25
MinceR	worker ownership would not make hierarchical control go away	Nov 07 21:26
msb_	Well there you need direct democracy rather than representative.	Nov 07 21:26
MinceR	i doubt even that would guarantee a lack of hierarchy	Nov 07 21:26
msb_	Sure it would. Workers would vote on things.	Nov 07 21:26
MinceR	not everything that happens is a matter of voting	Nov 07 21:26
MinceR	lots of things are matters of administration, for example	Nov 07 21:27
MinceR	also, the workers voting by itself does not guarantee anything	Nov 07 21:27
MinceR	the votes would still have to be counted and the result would still have to be enforced.	Nov 07 21:27
msb_	Sure, but there would not be bosses who could order workers what to do.	Nov 07 21:29
MinceR	there would probably still be workers with greater authority.	Nov 07 21:30
MinceR	and there would be people who could workers to enact the results of the voting	Nov 07 21:30
msb_	Elected ones.	Nov 07 21:30
msb_	???	Nov 07 21:30
MinceR	elected representatives have already been shown to be corruptible.	Nov 07 21:30
MinceR	s/could/& force/	Nov 07 21:31
msb_	Elected managers could be recalled at any time, and there would only be one level of them.	Nov 07 21:32
MinceR	i doubt that would eliminate bribery	Nov 07 21:32
MinceR	let alone more subtle forms of corruption	Nov 07 21:32
msb_	Workers would be likely to know when their associates started acting richer.	Nov 07 21:33
MinceR	people already know	Nov 07 21:33
MinceR	but it's little to work with	Nov 07 21:33
msb_	You just dump on anything similar to socialism.	Nov 07 21:36
MinceR	and you just assume that anything similar to socialism is perfect.	Nov 07 21:37
msb_	MinceR: Stop lying about me! Some things similar to socialism are better than the corrupt capitalism that has taken over the world.	Nov 07 21:38
MinceR	i wasn't talking about "corrupt capitalism", though.	Nov 07 21:38
cubexyz	Corporatocracy	Nov 07 23:43
cubexyz	not saying it's good... but that could be the way things are heading	Nov 07 23:44
cubexyz	excessive pay for CEOs... bank bailouts... increased income inequality	Nov 07 23:45
cubexyz	all signs of a corporatocracy	Nov 07 23:45
cubexyz	companies that write BIOS, it's a corporatocracy there too	Nov 07 23:50
cubexyz	that stuff is locked down tight as a drum	Nov 07 23:51
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msb_	schestowitz: This entire "Twitch" procedure seems to be designed to make installing Linux as difficult and failure-prone as possible. You said before that hackaday is anti-Linux. Maybe it would be better not to mention "Twitch", or if you do, say it's anti-Linux and give the previous evidence for that.	Nov 01 05:48
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/pixeldyne_sys/status/660670469951983620	Nov 01 06:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pixeldyne_sys: @schestowitz Cybercloud Security for the Information Superhighway :)		Nov 01 06:27
schestowitz	msb_: agreed	Nov 01 06:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Allwinner A10 DRM Display Support Being Worked	Nov 01 06:28
TweetTuxMachines	On https://t.co/CMS5mNHn2H (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 01 06:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o7zhx	Nov 01 06:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Allwinner A10 DRM Display Support Being Worked On - Phoronix		Nov 01 06:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Thoughts on the LG G Watch R Android smartwatch	Nov 01 06:28
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/spSQhopD7t (www.earth.li)	Nov 01 06:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o7zhy	Nov 01 06:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.earth.li \| Thoughts on the LG G Watch R Android smartwatch		Nov 01 06:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Frameworks keeps proving that KDE project was	Nov 01 06:34
TweetTuxMachines	right https://t.co/21JShJvcOG	Nov 01 06:34
TweetTuxMachines	(www.heliocastro.info)	Nov 01 06:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o7zie	Nov 01 06:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.heliocastro.info \| Frameworks keeps proving that KDE project was right \| Helio Castro Personal Space		Nov 01 06:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines An Introduction to Uncomplicated Firewall (UFW)	Nov 01 06:34
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/exa7wsQqTj (www.linux.com)	Nov 01 06:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o7zih	Nov 01 06:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com \| An Introduction to Uncomplicated Firewall (UFW) \| Linux.com		Nov 01 06:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Are The Open-Source Graphics Drivers Good	Nov 01 06:34
TweetTuxMachines	Enough For Steam Linux Gaming?	Nov 01 06:34
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/NJxKtnHxtZ (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 01 06:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o7zii	Nov 01 06:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Are The Open-Source Graphics Drivers Good Enough For Steam Linux Gaming? - Phoronix		Nov 01 06:34
schestowitz	"probly"	Nov 01 06:35
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6764831	Nov 01 06:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #nsa still above and beyond the law http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/29/nsa-phone-surveillance-usa-freedom-act-transition http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/29/nsa_one_more_month_illegal_spying/ http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/10/29/us-usa-security-nsa-idUKKCN0SN1VI20151029 http://uk.businessinsider.com/r-us-wont-halt-nsa-phone-spying-program-ahead-of-ban-2015-10?r=US&IR=T		Nov 01 06:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com \| US court refuses to stop NSA phone surveillance during 180-day 'transition' \| US news \| The Guardian		Nov 01 06:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theregister.co.uk \| NSA can keep illegally spying on Americans into November • The Register		Nov 01 06:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> uk.reuters.com \| U.S. court will not halt NSA phone spy program before ban \| Reuters		Nov 01 06:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> uk.businessinsider.com \| US court won't speed up the end of NSA phone spying - Business Insider		Nov 01 06:35
schestowitz	"explain, or link svp"	Nov 01 06:35
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6766709	Nov 01 06:35
schestowitz	Didn't see an article, but they did this to my wife last night...	Nov 01 06:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #google is now forcing (hostage situation/ransom) to consent to new #privacy violating policy or be denied access to #chromeOS i.e. one's PC		Nov 01 06:36
msb_	schestowitz: cubexyz: Can google shut down chromebooks/boxes remotely against the owner's wishes?	Nov 01 06:40
*TweetTuxMachines @Veekz_ favourited 'Are The Open-Source Graphics Drivers Good Enough For...'		Nov 01 06:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Meet the man behind CarPlay and Android Auto at	Nov 01 06:42
TweetTuxMachines	GM https://t.co/qmSbZt8I4G (www.theverge.com)	Nov 01 06:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o7zja	Nov 01 06:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com \| Meet the man behind CarPlay and Android Auto at GM \| The Verge		Nov 01 06:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MPV 0.12.0 Video Player Changes the Default	Nov 01 06:43
TweetTuxMachines	Format for youtube-dl, Supports Wayland	Nov 01 06:43
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/9yVaBnQGRR (news.softpedia.com)	Nov 01 06:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o7zjb	Nov 01 06:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| MPV 0.12.0 Video Player Changes the Default Format for youtube-dl, Supports Wayland - Softpedia		Nov 01 06:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CPU/GPU Usage Between NVIDIA & AMD Linux	Nov 01 06:47
TweetTuxMachines	Drivers	Nov 01 06:47
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/D3vYr4LZca (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 01 06:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o7zjx	Nov 01 06:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| CPU/GPU Usage Between NVIDIA & AMD Linux Drivers - Phoronix		Nov 01 06:47
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'MPV 0.12.0 Video Player Changes the Default Format...'		Nov 01 06:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23 Reaches Gold, Launches on November 3	Nov 01 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/HcP8dfCjSC (linux.softpedia.com)	Nov 01 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	#f23	Nov 01 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o7zk2	Nov 01 06:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Fedora 23 Reaches Gold, Launches on November 3 - Softpedia		Nov 01 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Importance of Open Source in Root	Nov 01 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/U226gyDF7U	Nov 01 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	(www.xda-developers.com)	Nov 01 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/4Y0ovS2wz6 (www.androidpolice.com)	Nov 01 06:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.xda-developers.com \| The Importance of Open Source in Root - XDA Forums		Nov 01 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/vXKiKbBKVR	Nov 01 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	(www.androidauthority.com)	Nov 01 06:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpolice.com \| Chainfire Experiment Achieves Android Root Without Touching The /System Partition		Nov 01 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o7zk3	Nov 01 06:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com \| Chainfire cooks up "systemless" Marshmallow root		Nov 01 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines AMD Stoney APU Support Is Going Into The Linux	Nov 01 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	4.4 Kernel https://t.co/0pspvX1ndL	Nov 01 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Nov 01 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o7zk4	Nov 01 06:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| AMD Stoney APU Support Is Going Into The Linux 4.4 Kernel - Phoronix		Nov 01 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google needs to change 2 major things in its	Nov 01 06:55
TweetTuxMachines	radical reimagining of Android	Nov 01 06:55
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/otLZcS4OYD (www.techinsider.io)	Nov 01 06:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o7zkx	Nov 01 06:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techinsider.io \| Google Android apps and security on Chromebook - Tech Insider		Nov 01 06:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines iOS 9 vs. Android 6 – Which Operating System	Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	Rules? https://t.co/b9Eu068c6c	Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	(www.valuewalk.com)	Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o7zky	Nov 01 06:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.valuewalk.com \| iOS 9 vs. Android 6 - Which Operating System Rules?		Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines My ARM grab bag device list	Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/WaojAKIA0S (nullr0ute.com) arm on	Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	the rise. With Linux....	Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o7zkz	Nov 01 06:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nullr0ute.com \| My ARM grab bag device list \| nullr0ute's blog		Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Wear on iPhone Review: 2 Months Later	Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/5ixoGumBoU (www.gottabemobile.com)	Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o7zl0	Nov 01 06:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gottabemobile.com \| Android Wear on iPhone Review: 2 Months Later		Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google Android for Work Update Aims to Make	Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	Mobile Device Set-Up Easy	Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/5rqidr6fU7 (www.eweek.com)	Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o7zl3	Nov 01 06:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eweek.com \| Google Android for Work Update Aims to Make Mobile Device Set-Up Easy		Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Puzzle Platformer 'Adventures Of Shuggy'	Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	Released For Linux On Steam	Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/AkVIFnvcie (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o7zl4	Nov 01 06:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Puzzle Platformer 'Adventures Of Shuggy' Released For Linux On Steam \| GamingOnLinux		Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel Is Working On Linux Encryption For AVX2	Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	CPUs, Up To 5.8x Throughput	Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/VfS864XGWl (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o7zl5	Nov 01 06:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Intel Is Working On Faster Linux Encryption For AVX2 CPUs, Up To 5.8x Throughput - Phoronix		Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.3 Is Near With Its Polished Intel	Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	Skylake Support & More https://t.co/ObVvbjZxKl	Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o7zl6	Nov 01 06:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Linux 4.3 Is Near With Its Polished Intel Skylake Support & More - Phoronix		Nov 01 06:56
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*TweetTuxMachines @techmuser favourited 'Linux 4.3 Is Near With Its Polished Intel...'		Nov 01 07:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Vendetta Online 1.8.357-358 update is here	Nov 01 07:03
TweetTuxMachines	for... Android, GNU/Linux"	Nov 01 07:03
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/VzBoEGynYR (news.softpedia.com)	Nov 01 07:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o7zln	Nov 01 07:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Vendetta Online 3D Space Combat Game Gets Halloween Release with Many Android Fixes - Softpedia		Nov 01 07:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Size Of The Different Open-Source Linux	Nov 01 07:03
TweetTuxMachines	DRM/Mesa Graphics Drivers	Nov 01 07:03
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/YnpyzZM5pk (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 01 07:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o7zlo	Nov 01 07:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| The Size Of The Different Open-Source Linux DRM/Mesa Graphics Drivers - Phoronix		Nov 01 07:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Want To Be A Fisherman? #FishingPlanet Is	Nov 01 07:09
TweetTuxMachines	Planning A Linux Release	Nov 01 07:09
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/B6nKvtKdk4 (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Nov 01 07:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o7zm9	Nov 01 07:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Want To Be A Fisherman? Fishing Planet Is Planning A Linux Release \| GamingOnLinux		Nov 01 07:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GENIVI compliant Linux automotive stack does	Nov 01 07:09
TweetTuxMachines	ADAS https://t.co/lU9ApTEPh9 (linuxgizmos.com)	Nov 01 07:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o7zma	Nov 01 07:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| GENIVI compliant Linux automotive stack does ADAS · LinuxGizmos.com		Nov 01 07:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23 packages now live	Nov 01 07:09
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/mTFQcQKSL7 (negativo17.org)	Nov 01 07:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o7zmb	Nov 01 07:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-negativo17.org \| Fedora 23 packages now live \| negativo17		Nov 01 07:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 31/10/2015: Twitch's Arch Linux	Nov 01 07:44
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by Challenge, GNOME 3.19.1 https://t.co/RXFkOEWaWL	Nov 01 07:44
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz (techrights.org)	Nov 01 07:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o7znh	Nov 01 07:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 31/10/2015: Twitch’s Arch Linux Challenge, GNOME 3.19.1 \| Techrights		Nov 01 07:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GENIVI compliant Linux automotive stack does	Nov 01 07:44
TweetTuxMachines	ADAS https://t.co/G918a6Fn2d	Nov 01 07:44
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 01 07:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o7zo6	Nov 01 07:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GENIVI compliant Linux automotive stack does ADAS \| Tux Machines		Nov 01 07:44
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited '"Vendetta Online 1.8.357-358 update is here for... ...'		Nov 01 09:14
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msb_	Yay! My Babylon 5 DVDs (bought many years ago) work great. (At least the first one does.) I have complete control using mplayer.	Nov 01 11:55
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msb_	A hundred hours of escape from reality!	Nov 01 11:56
msb_	ISIL says they shot down that Russian airliner, but shoulder-launched SAMs can't reach that high. So their claim is being denied. But maybe the Saudis or Turks gave them a truck-mounted one that can.	Nov 01 12:00
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cubexyz	busybox removes systemd support	Nov 01 14:26
cubexyz	finally some sanity	Nov 01 14:27
msb_	Is busybox used in desktop distros?	Nov 01 14:28
cubexyz	all the really compact distros use it	Nov 01 14:29
XRevan86	busybox removes socket activation from built-in syslogd.	Nov 01 14:29
cubexyz	BL3, tinycore, probably other ones	Nov 01 14:30
msb_	So Raspberry Pi's and such are safe.	Nov 01 14:31
XRevan86	It'll probably still won't break though.	Nov 01 14:32
msb_	Well, anyhow, it's good that _somebody_ has rejected systemd.	Nov 01 14:32
XRevan86	Practically, nothing changed at all.	Nov 01 14:32
cubexyz	ttylinux is another one	Nov 01 14:32
msb_	A guy in the #debianfork channel told me that most people there think (as I do) that the purpose of systemd is to sneak in a backdoor to kill Linux computers.	Nov 01 14:35
msb_	By the US govt.	Nov 01 14:36
cubexyz	well when Theo Ts'o has trouble understanding policykit and he's an MIT grad in his 40's and a computer expert...	Nov 01 14:39
msb_	It's the only reason anyone would push this insane complexity onto the Linux world: http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/10/11/0/	Nov 01 14:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.darknedgy.net \| Structural and semantic deficiencies in the systemd architecture for real-world service management, a technical treatise		Nov 01 14:40
cubexyz	there's been some pretty strange statements made about Debian	Nov 01 14:42
cubexyz	Julian Assange said Debian is owned by the NSA	Nov 01 14:42
cubexyz	now, I have no idea if that's true or not	Nov 01 14:42
cubexyz	probably not :)	Nov 01 14:43
cubexyz	the internet and all, you can't trust every statement	Nov 01 14:43
cubexyz	is it possible that Linux is being attacked? definitely	Nov 01 14:44
cubexyz	NSA asked Linus to put backdoors in Linux	Nov 01 14:45
msb_	https://lwn.net/Articles/658809/ http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/10/09/179253/debian-dropping-linux-standard-base	Nov 01 14:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lwn.net \| Debian dropping the Linux Standard Base [LWN.net]		Nov 01 14:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.slashdot.org \| Debian Dropping Linux Standard Base - Slashdot		Nov 01 14:49
msb_	Fucking up Linux even worse, again for no reason.	Nov 01 14:50
cubexyz	well that's why the fork exists	Nov 01 14:50
msb_	But Devuan depends mostly on the Debian repos. So this may be an effort to make it harder for Devuan to create a good Linux.	Nov 01 14:52
cubexyz	anyone can make their own distro	Nov 01 14:52
cubexyz	I suspect we will continue to see that	Nov 01 14:52
msb_	See diagram at the bottom of the page: https://www.devuan.org/	Nov 01 14:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.devuan.org \| Devuan GNU/Linux - Debian without systemd.		Nov 01 14:53
msb_	Making a Linux distro requires a great deal of work if it incorporates up-to-date software. "Anyone" can _not_ do it.	Nov 01 14:54
XRevan86	How many LSB-compliant distros is there left?	Nov 01 14:54
XRevan86	https://linuxbase.org/lsb-cert/productdir.php?by_lsb	Nov 01 14:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxbase.org \| LSB Certification System - Product Directory		Nov 01 14:56
cubexyz	msb_, anyone can take an old distro and upgrade parts as necessary	Nov 01 14:56
cubexyz	they don't have to start from stratch	Nov 01 14:57
XRevan86	List of LSB-compliant distributions: RHEL, Oracle Linux and some old stuff.	Nov 01 14:57
cubexyz	just upgrade the stuff you need	Nov 01 14:57
msb_	cubexyz: To make a Linux distro suitable for most people that means building hundreds of apps and system programs and their libraries and testing them all. Because most people don't want to build stuff or don't know how.	Nov 01 15:00
msb_	That's why for a useful up-to-date Linux, Devuan is starting from up-to-date Debian.	Nov 01 15:01
msb_	The vast majority of people want an OS that just works.	Nov 01 15:02
cubexyz	people can't just do nothing and hope things turn out well	Nov 01 15:03
msb_	And includes all modern apps and the latest versions of system stuff like Python and Ruby.	Nov 01 15:03
cubexyz	it takes action	Nov 01 15:03
XRevan86	cubexyz: And GNU/Linux is understaffed.	Nov 01 15:03
cubexyz	someone has to do the work	Nov 01 15:03
XRevan86	and not to do the work nobody needs	Nov 01 15:03
msb_	cubexyz: You keep that most people have your abilities. They don't.	Nov 01 15:03
XRevan86	Like… LSB support.	Nov 01 15:04
XRevan86	With time is keeps getting less and less important.	Nov 01 15:04
msb_	Yes, as LInux gets more and more messed up until it becomes useless crap. And that's what the world rulers -- the US, EU, UK, Israel -- want.	Nov 01 15:05
msb_	Because Linux enables the people of the world to expose and talk about the evil that the rulers are doing, and to organize against it.	Nov 01 15:06
cubexyz	just stockpile the distros you like for future use	Nov 01 15:08
XRevan86	msb_: LSB is good for proprietary of enterprise programs but…	Nov 01 15:09
XRevan86	they like to not care about LSB and make programs Ubuntu-compliant or RHEL-compliant.	Nov 01 15:09
msb_	LSB adherence makes it much easier to write and maintain apps, because they can rely on consistent APIs and placement of files across various distros.	Nov 01 15:09
XRevan86	msb_: And in FOSS programs this is not actually important.	Nov 01 15:10
XRevan86	> and placement of files across various distros	Nov 01 15:10
XRevan86	FHS	Nov 01 15:10
msb_	cubexyz: Not practical for most people.	Nov 01 15:10
msb_	FHS is part of LSB.	Nov 01 15:11
XRevan86	LSB includes FHS	Nov 01 15:11
XRevan86	msb_: Debian didn't drop FHS if that's what you mean.	Nov 01 15:11
XRevan86	nearly all distros honour FHS while caring not about LSB	Nov 01 15:12
msb_	Who knows? But it's dropping other parts of LSB.	Nov 01 15:12
msb_	This is another sabotage attack on Linux.	Nov 01 15:12
XRevan86	msb_: Show me a distro that does care about LSB.	Nov 01 15:12
msb_	https://software.opensuse.org/package/lsb	Nov 01 15:16
cubexyz	SUSE Linux is LSB 4.1 certified	Nov 01 15:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-software.opensuse.org \| software.opensuse.org:		Nov 01 15:16
XRevan86	cubexyz: SUSE Linux Enterprise 11 is	Nov 01 15:16
XRevan86	SUSE Linux Enterprise 12 isn't	Nov 01 15:16
XRevan86	openSUSE isn't	Nov 01 15:16
msb_	Necessary files and dependencies for the Linux Standard Base (LSB) Core.	Nov 01 15:17
XRevan86	$ lsb_release	Nov 01 15:17
XRevan86	LSB Version:n/a	Nov 01 15:17
XRevan86	Description:openSUSE Tumbleweed (20151022) (x86_64)	Nov 01 15:17
cubexyz	seems that a lot of the Asian Linux distros are LSB certified	Nov 01 15:19
msb_	XRevan86: Do you want Linux to be churned and fucked up? You like systemd despite its horrendous internal complexity that makes it impossible to troubleshoot.	Nov 01 15:20
XRevan86	msb_: I'm just saying, it hasn't start with Debian.	Nov 01 15:20
XRevan86	People use distros like Debian, Ubuntu, Gentoo, Arch Linux, openSUSE, Fedora, Mageia…	Nov 01 15:21
XRevan86	and only Debian has been LSB compliant in this list	Nov 01 15:22
msb_	Yes, and with one network packet the govt can kill them all.	Nov 01 15:22
XRevan86	Of course, nobody bothers about making programs according to LSB, people make them so they will work on most GNU/Linux distros instead.	Nov 01 15:22
XRevan86	That's how it turned out.	Nov 01 15:23
XRevan86	No FSF approved distro supports LSB, by the way.	Nov 01 15:24
msb_	Every sabotage attack -- systemd, non-adherence to LSB, KDE4/5 -- helps change Linux from a simple, friendly, universal operating system to a fucked-up mess that will end up no better than Windows.	Nov 01 15:25
XRevan86	except for gNewSense, I guess	Nov 01 15:25
XRevan86	because Debian 7 based	Nov 01 15:25
msb_	XRevan86: And as long as you think systemd is ok, you will never understand that.	Nov 01 15:27
XRevan86	msb_: ugh, I clearly see who sabotaged LSB	Nov 01 15:27
XRevan86	msb_: You know who?	Nov 01 15:27
XRevan86	GNU/Linux developers and GNU/Linux users, that's who.	Nov 01 15:28
XRevan86	all of them	Nov 01 15:28
XRevan86	all of us	Nov 01 15:28
msb_	Bullshit. Users don't influence anything.	Nov 01 15:28
XRevan86	msb_: Users never cared about LSB compliance of their distros.	Nov 01 15:29
XRevan86	msb_: When I told you about Void Linux, have you asked me whether it is LSB compliant?	Nov 01 15:29
XRevan86	(because it is not, obviously)	Nov 01 15:29
msb_	They never even heard of it. It's up to the distro devs/admins to adhere to standards.	Nov 01 15:29
XRevan86	msb_: Most of them did.	Nov 01 15:29
XRevan86	msb_: Ask some Gentoo users, what they think about that Gentoo doesn't support LSB.	Nov 01 15:30
msb_	XRevan86: What is your point? Are you saying that adherence to good software engineering principles and standards like LSB aren't important? That seems to be what you're saying, and you are dead wrong.	Nov 01 15:31
XRevan86	msb_: What I'm saying is that LSB for years of its existence, never achieved a goal it supposed to.	Nov 01 15:33
msb_	It's up to the distro devs/admins to adhere to standards and Unix principles. Because if they don't, and Linux effectively dies, then the Fascists may win and the human race will die as well.	Nov 01 15:34
cubexyz	it's really under the control of the distro maintainers	Nov 01 15:34
cubexyz	someone has to act as the leader and say "This is the direction we are going in"	Nov 01 15:35
msb_	Yes, and nobody knows why they've all adopted systemd.	Nov 01 15:35
msb_	I think it's bribery and threats carefully tailored to influential people in each distro.	Nov 01 15:36
msb_	There are many many examples of bribery in industry that never gets exposed unless some whistleblower does it or there's an investigation with subpoena power.	Nov 01 15:37
msb_	The CIA and other govt agencies are masters of this sort of corruption.	Nov 01 15:38
msb_	They did it all through the 20th century.	Nov 01 15:39
cubexyz	I think busybox has it's own simplified init	Nov 01 15:39
msb_	To entire governments of nations.	Nov 01 15:39
cubexyz	there's simplified X server as well	Nov 01 15:44
cubexyz	although I don't think anyone has touched the code in quite some time	Nov 01 15:44
cubexyz	well everyone saw the NSA Ant Catalog, so some paranoia is justified	Nov 01 15:57
cubexyz	here's what I use currently:	Nov 01 15:58
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/non-systemd-distros-i-use.txt	Nov 01 15:58
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cubexyz	no government can erase all of those	Nov 01 15:59
cubexyz	Basic Linux 3 uses busybox so init is built-in	Nov 01 15:59
cubexyz	keep watching distrowatch and stockpile the distros	Nov 01 16:03
cubexyz	use what you like, discard what you don't	Nov 01 16:04
cubexyz	remember that the BSD's exist	Nov 01 16:06
msb_	We need a solution for everyone, not just for us experts.	Nov 01 16:08
cubexyz	chromeos is probably the easiest	Nov 01 16:09
cubexyz	you buy a chromebook, it's cheap, you got chromeos preloaded	Nov 01 16:09
cubexyz	better than the alternative of getting windows 10 by far	Nov 01 16:09
msb_	We heard earlier today that google will kill chromeos unless the user agrees to its new privacy standards.	Nov 01 16:10
msb_	If so, it's no better than systemd or windows.	Nov 01 16:11
cubexyz	they might have a remote kill for stolen chromebooks	Nov 01 16:13
cubexyz	not sure about that	Nov 01 16:13
cubexyz	you do have a link about it?	Nov 01 16:13
cubexyz	there's no anti-theft or Intel Vpro technology in the Intel Celeron 2955U, the CPU my chromebook uses	Nov 01 16:50
cubexyz	other ones, maybe... I haven't checked them	Nov 01 16:51
cubexyz	no intel boot guard either	Nov 01 16:51
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msb_	schestowitz mentioned it in a tweet, but had no ref.	Nov 01 17:05
msb_	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6766709 #google is now forcing (hostage situation/ransom) to consent to new #privacy violating policy or be denied access to #chromeOS i.e. one’s PC -- Dr. Roy Schestowitz. <schestowitz> Didn't see an article, but they did this to my wife last night...	Nov 01 17:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #google is now forcing (hostage situation/ransom) to consent to new #privacy violating policy or be denied access to #chromeOS i.e. one's PC		Nov 01 17:09
msb_	quoted from about 10 hours ago, give or take for daylight saving time switchover.	Nov 01 17:12
msb_	Should have put quotes around all of that.	Nov 01 17:15
msb_	If they have a remote kill, it doesn't matter why they have it.	Nov 01 17:17
msb_	Evil! Pure and simple, from the Eighth Dimension!	Nov 01 17:18
msb_	-- The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai (1984) Superbly funny and clever sci-fi movie. Highly recommended.	Nov 01 17:20
msb_	"We are not in the Eighth dimension, we are over New Jersey."	Nov 01 17:26
amarsh04	I've seen that movie at least twice	Nov 01 18:00
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msb_	cubexyz: If chromebooks/boxes already come with a known intrusion/kill mechanism that google, and certainly the government, can use, then they are the _last_ computers to recommend to people. Unless you insist that they remove chromeos and install some kind of Linux, if that's possible. But didn't I read somewhere that those machines automatically reinstall chromeos if they die?	Nov 01 20:45
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cubexyz	there is a lock if your chromebook is deployed as enterprise or education	Nov 01 20:51
cubexyz	mine is neither... just plain regular chromeos	Nov 01 20:51
cubexyz	lost enterprise/educational chromebooks can be locked remotely... after they are reported stolen	Nov 01 20:52
cubexyz	one can KO the firmware and the OS if they want	Nov 01 20:54
cubexyz	if chromeos gets corrupted you can perform a factory reset	Nov 01 20:58
cubexyz	one can build their own coreboot firmware too	Nov 01 21:00
cubexyz	anyone can git clone coreboot and check out the code	Nov 01 21:05
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cubexyz	we did have BIOS source ages ago... but AMI, Phoenix, and others came into the picture and everything was closed	Nov 01 21:30
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msb_	cubexyz: What determines whether a chromebook is enterprise/education or regular? A difference in BIOS code?	Nov 02 00:03
cubexyz	there's this:	Nov 02 00:07
cubexyz	https://support.google.com/chrome/a/answer/1360534?hl=en	Nov 02 00:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-support.google.com \| Enroll Chrome devices - Chrome for Work and Education Help		Nov 02 00:07
cubexyz	you have to opt into it	Nov 02 00:09
msb_	cubexyz: Will every Linux run on chromebook/box?	Nov 02 00:39
cubexyz	doubtful	Nov 02 00:39
cubexyz	given enough effort yes, but it's optimized for debian and ubuntu via crouton	Nov 02 00:39
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cubexyz	pharma spam alert on tuxmachines... this is a level 10 alert	Nov 02 16:53
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cubexyz	you know, I remember the Brand Systems had bundling with MS-DOS but really I always bought whitebox PCs all the way back to 1986	Nov 02 18:15
cubexyz	they just "preloaded" copies of stuff on the hard drive to get you started	Nov 02 18:15
cubexyz	it was IBM and Amstrad and Commodore that bundled on there PCs	Nov 02 18:16
cubexyz	s/there/their/	Nov 02 18:16
msb_	cubexyz: " <cubexyz> pharma spam alert on tuxmachines... this is a level 10 alert " What??? Are the missiles flying?	Nov 02 18:18
cubexyz	no missiles	Nov 02 18:18
cubexyz	just pharma spam	Nov 02 18:18
cubexyz	tuxmachines needs to moderate more	Nov 02 18:19
msb_	Looks like it doesn't moderate at all.	Nov 02 18:22
msb_	But I think Level 10 Alert is reserved for an ELE.	Nov 02 18:25
msb_	Where Téa Leoni commits suicide in order to briefly reconcile with her estranged father. That movie made a deep impact on me. Yecch!	Nov 02 18:36
msb_	And (I'm just rambling here) the second season of her TV series Madame Secretary is all about how evil Russia is. Scripts written by the US govt to negate Russia's success in fighting ISIL, which is supported by the US, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Israel.	Nov 02 18:40
msb_	WiFi/AI Barbie Doll! http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/hell-no-barbie-a-campaign-spreading-awareness-about-hello-barbie-a-new-doll-with-big-brother-ish-capabilities/	Nov 02 18:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-vigilantcitizen.com \| "Hell No Barbie" Campaign Warns About "Hello Barbie", a New Doll With Big Brother-ish Capabilities - The Vigilant Citizen		Nov 02 18:46
cubexyz	did you know the NT4 kernel was all in C? there's no C++	Nov 02 18:48
cubexyz	usermod stuff seems mostly C++	Nov 02 18:49
cubexyz	usermode	Nov 02 18:50
msb_	Russians again?	Nov 02 18:50
cubexyz	could be, this guy's first name was Igor :)	Nov 02 18:51
msb_	Not that anyone would want to compile and run Windows, but it would be interesting if MS stole any GPLed code and used it secretly.	Nov 02 18:54
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cubexyz	it's very bloated	Nov 02 19:00
cubexyz	M$ was clever, there is the MSDN Academic Alliance	Nov 02 19:05
cubexyz	Professors can see the source code of windows provided they sign an agreement that says but any changes/additions they make become the property of Microsoft	Nov 02 19:06
cubexyz	s/but//	Nov 02 19:07
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FreiheitExpert/status/660718187508449280 https://twitter.com/FreiheitExpert/status/660718285499990017 https://twitter.com/FreiheitExpert/status/660718345059102721	Nov 02 20:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FreiheitExpert: @schestowitz I cannot retweet this.		Nov 02 20:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FreiheitExpert: So I am wondering how this plays out for academic libraries.... https://t.co/9of8lQ7Gx3		Nov 02 20:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Library of Congress issues exemptions to #DMCA anti-circumvention provisions but leaves users without full control https://t.co/hgYHQfweyg		Nov 02 20:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FreiheitExpert: @schestowitz Nevermind I can now...		Nov 02 20:32
schestowitz	Good, I was out of Town until tonight... hence could not reply	Nov 02 20:33
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/660818195859812353	Nov 02 20:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: @schestowitz going to try Deepin. They don’t have a BitTorrent link so best to look for a mirror nearby. Default link is very slow.		Nov 02 20:34
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/matthewstinar/status/660823467869257728	Nov 02 20:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@matthewstinar: @schestowitz Just about what I'd expect for a proprietary operating system designed to be inextricably linked to proprietary services.		Nov 02 20:35
schestowitz	Yes, well, but what when the laptop user does not use it as Google intended (e.g. dual boot)?	Nov 02 20:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/RamiSilawi/status/660841530488418304	Nov 02 20:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamiSilawi: .@schestowitz Tried #Chromixium? OpenBox + Ubuntu LTS + Chrome(ium) launchers and app menu.		Nov 02 20:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/tonycalhoun00/status/660879213831061504	Nov 02 20:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tonycalhoun00: @schestowitz @jeremycline1975 some of it is just a grudge against a type of individual		Nov 02 20:36
schestowitz	Yes, with justification as afterthought	Nov 02 20:36
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/laurelrusswurm/status/660916421778653186	Nov 02 20:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@laurelrusswurm: @schestowitz That awkward moment... https://t.co/do4E6hfRC0 #england #CivilRights #privacy #SurveillanceState https://t.co/AObMb6DVsp		Nov 02 20:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.sunnation.co.uk \| Theresa May will refuse to allow judges to sign off spying warrants - Sun Nation		Nov 02 20:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@laurelrusswurm: @schestowitz That awkward moment... https://t.co/do4E6hfRC0 #england #CivilRights #privacy #SurveillanceState https://t.co/AObMb6DVsp		Nov 02 20:37
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/660939655215513600	Nov 02 20:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Martin Rowson on Theresa May’s snooper’s charter @schestowitz https://t.co/x6M7RF7QTj		Nov 02 20:37
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schestowitz	Came back after two days in #AltonTowers wondering if #gchq also intercepts all rides' photos, like it does Angry Bird etc. (collect it all)	Nov 02 20:38
schestowitz	http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2015/nov/01/martin-rowson-on-theresa-mays-snoopers-charter-cartoon	Nov 02 20:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| Martin Rowson on Theresa May’s snooper’s charter - cartoon \| Comment is free \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/o86gm ]		Nov 02 20:40
schestowitz	It was a 1k key, it's too weak now, new one is 4k	Nov 02 20:41
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/lohphat/status/661233091193602049	Nov 02 20:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lohphat: @schestowitz @mattburgess1 Conservatives don't like others talking behind their back. They have power, they want all of yours too.		Nov 02 20:41
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ProfPearce/status/661256489986686976	Nov 02 20:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ProfPearce: Useful? Preempetive strikes on #3dprinting #patenttrolls https://t.co/N0wrZrxge8 @killpatenttroll @EFF @schestowitz https://t.co/uuxOrrlQ1r		Nov 02 20:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.academia.edu \| A Novel Approach to Obviousness: An Algorithm for Identifying Prior Art Concerning 3-D Printing Materials \| Joshua Pearce - Academia.edu		Nov 02 20:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ProfPearce: Useful? Preempetive strikes on #3dprinting #patenttrolls https://t.co/N0wrZrxge8 @killpatenttroll @EFF @schestowitz https://t.co/uuxOrrlQ1r		Nov 02 20:42
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jeremycline1975/status/661282476615147520	Nov 02 20:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jeremycline1975: @schestowitz @tonycalhoun00 Absolutely right.		Nov 02 20:44
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jeremycline1975/status/661283841198432256	Nov 02 20:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jeremycline1975: @schestowitz @tonycalhoun00 And they've been smart enough to crowd-source the surveillance and "evidence" gathering.		Nov 02 20:51
schestowitz	Externalising the damage	Nov 02 20:51
schestowitz	[06:40] <msb_> schestowitz: cubexyz: Can google shut down chromebooks/boxes remotely against the owner's wishes?	Nov 02 20:52
schestowitz	Can brick it	Nov 02 20:52
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DJI uses Linux for drones	Nov 02 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/seerb7nzcO (techcrunch.com)	Nov 02 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/ENOCJQ9Ttb (www.pcworld.com)	Nov 02 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/9XLzLOZACy (www.engadget.com)	Nov 02 21:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com \| DJI Teams Up With Canonical To Launch Embedded Computer For Drones \| TechCrunch		Nov 02 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/1HXblBtscp (toxcy.com)	Nov 02 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o86tl	Nov 02 21:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com \| This hardware development platform can fly -- literally \| PCWorld		Nov 02 21:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com \| DJI wants you to build sentient drones with its tiny computer		Nov 02 21:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-toxcy.com \| DJI Manifold computer is meant to control a drone \| Toxcy		Nov 02 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Inside Canonical: the creators of Ubuntu have	Nov 02 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	big plans for the future	Nov 02 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/zbxUVT58Sn (www.alphr.com)	Nov 02 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o86tm	Nov 02 21:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.alphr.com \| Inside Canonical: the creators of Ubuntu have big plans for the future \| Alphr		Nov 02 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Keeping Linux Clean https://t.co/x7IY0Mvvg0	Nov 02 21:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Keeping Linux Clean \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New DJI drone computer runs Ubuntu on Tegra,	Nov 02 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	has open SDK https://t.co/Oe1YPvU9Ix	Nov 02 21:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| New DJI drone computer runs Ubuntu on Tegra, has open SDK \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Inside Canonical: the creators of Ubuntu have	Nov 02 21:50
TweetTuxMachines	big plans for the future	Nov 02 21:50
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/kO6gHLVrVo (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 02 21:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Inside Canonical: the creators of Ubuntu have big plans for the future \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 21:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kodi 16.0 to Ship with Multi-Touch Support for	Nov 02 22:14
TweetTuxMachines	Linux https://t.co/zy6y0fQAF5	Nov 02 22:14
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o86zi	Nov 02 22:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Kodi 16.0 to Ship with Multi-Touch Support for Linux \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 22:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Solus Has a Really Good Week, Gets First RC and	Nov 02 22:14
TweetTuxMachines	Firefox Compliance https://t.co/XYhgjj4hOv	Nov 02 22:14
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 02 22:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o86zj	Nov 02 22:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Solus Has a Really Good Week, Gets First RC and Firefox Compliance \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 22:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Trying out Linux can be simple	Nov 02 22:15
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/MJ0uI5C1ov	Nov 02 22:15
TweetTuxMachines	(www.eastbourneherald.co.uk)	Nov 02 22:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eastbourneherald.co.uk \| Trying out Linux can be simple - Eastbourne Herald		Nov 02 22:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linus Torvalds launches Linux kernel 4.3	Nov 02 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/6Fikveo3WO	Nov 02 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	(www.computerweekly.com) distraction:	Nov 02 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/TBjVy4AC9H (gizmodo.com)	Nov 02 22:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.computerweekly.com \| Linus Torvalds launches Linux kernel 4.3 - Open Source Insider		Nov 02 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o875j	Nov 02 22:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gizmodo.com \| You Don't Need To Understand Programming to Appreciate This Awesome Rant		Nov 02 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Inside BlackBerry's last-ditch plan to win you	Nov 02 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	back with Android https://t.co/3oHP6jhoFs	Nov 02 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	(www.cnet.com)	Nov 02 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o875k	Nov 02 22:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnet.com \| Inside BlackBerry's last-ditch plan to win you back with Android - CNET		Nov 02 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Solus Has a Really Good Week, Gets First RC and	Nov 02 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	Firefox Compliance https://t.co/ly4gEzVC9Y	Nov 02 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Nov 02 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o875l	Nov 02 22:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Solus Has a Really Good Week, Gets First RC and Firefox Compliance - Softpedia		Nov 02 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenELEC 6.0 Arrives with Linux Kernel 4.1,	Nov 02 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	Drops 32-bit Builds https://t.co/dw3P0FlWYY	Nov 02 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Nov 02 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o876a	Nov 02 22:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| OpenELEC 6.0 Arrives with Linux Kernel 4.1, Drops 32-bit Builds - Softpedia		Nov 02 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro 15.09 (Bellatrix) Now Has Working AMD	Nov 02 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	Catalyst Drivers for Linux Kernel 4.2	Nov 02 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/VTtKCsxu52 (news.softpedia.com)	Nov 02 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o876b	Nov 02 22:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Manjaro 15.09 (Bellatrix) Now Has Working AMD Catalyst Drivers for Linux Kernel 4.2 - Softpedia		Nov 02 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Facebook forces some workers to switch from	Nov 02 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	iPhone to Android to reflect majority of users	Nov 02 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	& new markets https://t.co/tmF4AdvUbK	Nov 02 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	(appleinsider.com)	Nov 02 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o876c	Nov 02 22:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-appleinsider.com \| Facebook forces some workers to switch from iPhone to Android to reflect majority of users & new markets		Nov 02 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Daniel Craig resisted Android phone placement	Nov 02 22:57
TweetTuxMachines	in "Spectre" because "James Bond only uses the	Nov 02 22:57
TweetTuxMachines	best" https://t.co/cTcIMPsTok	Nov 02 22:57
TweetTuxMachines	(appleinsider.com)	Nov 02 22:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8773	Nov 02 22:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-appleinsider.com \| Daniel Craig resisted Android phone placement in "Spectre" because "James Bond only uses the best"		Nov 02 22:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Best Android smartphones for work and play:	Nov 02 22:58
TweetTuxMachines	November 2015 edition https://t.co/9q2aFGF0A5	Nov 02 22:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.zdnet.com)	Nov 02 22:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8774	Nov 02 22:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Best Android smartphones for work and play: November 2015 edition \| ZDNet		Nov 02 22:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines fedora Release Dates: It’s On-Time When It’s	Nov 02 22:58
TweetTuxMachines	Ready https://t.co/W1WAQmJnGQ (fossforce.com)	Nov 02 22:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8775	Nov 02 22:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com \| Release Dates: It's On-Time When It's Ready \| FOSS Force		Nov 02 22:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines PSA: Do NOT upgrade FreeIPA servers to Fedora	Nov 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	23 yet https://t.co/5yF7QnAU5T	Nov 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	(www.happyassassin.net)	Nov 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o87ao	Nov 02 23:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://www.happyassassin.net/2015/11/01/psa-do-not-upgrade-freeipa-servers-to-fedora-23-yet/ )		Nov 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23: A walk through my favorite Linux	Nov 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	installer - Anaconda https://t.co/1sIR6bxNMG	Nov 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	(www.zdnet.com)	Nov 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o87ap	Nov 02 23:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Fedora 23: A walk through my favorite Linux installer - Anaconda \| ZDNet		Nov 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How To Join The Power Linux Evolution	Nov 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/oQdlRpSXWb (www.itjungle.com)	Nov 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o87aq	Nov 02 23:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itjungle.com \| The Four Hundred--How To Join The Power Linux Evolution		Nov 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Where to find high-quality, Linux-compatible	Nov 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	music https://t.co/J8kUi3yuVl (opensource.com)	Nov 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o87ar	Nov 02 23:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| Linux-compatible places to get high-quality digital music \| Opensource.com		Nov 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines European Parliament wants EU institutions to	Nov 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	switch to open source https://t.co/3H84uQYLP2	Nov 02 23:17
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 02 23:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o87at	Nov 02 23:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| European Parliament wants EU institutions to switch to open source \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 23:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How To Join The Power Linux Evolution	Nov 02 23:17
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/iBPsYjItSz (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 02 23:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o87au	Nov 02 23:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How To Join The Power Linux Evolution \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 23:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Where to find high-quality, Linux-compatible	Nov 02 23:17
TweetTuxMachines	music https://t.co/CC72DO4yS5	Nov 02 23:17
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 02 23:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o87av	Nov 02 23:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Where to find high-quality, Linux-compatible music \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 23:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How can you make a drone better? Install Linux	Nov 02 23:23
TweetTuxMachines	on it! https://t.co/LXwOZBP2M0	Nov 02 23:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 02 23:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o87c4	Nov 02 23:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How can you make a drone better? Install Linux on it! \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 23:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNU Hurd 0.7, GNU Mach 1.6, GNU MIG 1.6	Nov 02 23:23
TweetTuxMachines	released https://t.co/GGBHO9UGfo	Nov 02 23:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 02 23:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o87c6	Nov 02 23:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GNU Hurd 0.7, GNU Mach 1.6, GNU MIG 1.6 released \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 23:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Best #android phones list	Nov 02 23:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/C5Ka4Mj4Ew (www.geeksnack.com)	Nov 02 23:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o87c7	Nov 02 23:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geeksnack.com \| Best Android phones of 2015 so far - GeekSnack		Nov 02 23:23
schestowitz	"systemd people are not willing to play nice with the rest of the world. Therefore there is no reason for the rest of the world to cooperate with them."	Nov 02 23:23
*TweetTuxMachines @pkoutoupis favourited 'Linux 4.3-rc7 https://t.co/lgaURXqRzj'		Nov 02 23:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux 4.3-rc7 \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 23:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open Source R Code to Get New Hub with Help	Nov 02 23:33
TweetTuxMachines	from the Linux Foundation	Nov 02 23:33
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/IU1GBedXZd (thevarguy.com)	Nov 02 23:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o87e5	Nov 02 23:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thevarguy.com \| Open Source R Code to Get New Hub with Help from the Linux Foundation \| Open Source Application Software Companies content from The VAR Guy		Nov 02 23:33
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XFaCE	[10:59:47]<cubexyz> Basic Linux 3 uses busybox so init is built-in	Nov 03 00:21
XFaCE	what about Alpine Linux?	Nov 03 00:21
cubexyz	how can you be not here? :)	Nov 03 00:22
cubexyz	anyways BL3 uses a very compact system using an old 2.2 kernel and a smaller version of X	Nov 03 00:23
cubexyz	any other distro that uses busybox should also have the built-in init	Nov 03 00:23
cubexyz	oh wait a sec	Nov 03 00:24
cubexyz	looks like alpine uses OpenRC	Nov 03 00:24
cubexyz	still, Alpine looks like a decent non-systemd distro	Nov 03 00:25
cubexyz	Alpine does look interesting with musl libc, I will try it sometime	Nov 03 00:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Steam for Linux Usage Is on the Rise and Gets	Nov 03 01:58
TweetTuxMachines	Closer to 1% https://t.co/GsNPYx7f2X	Nov 03 01:58
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Nov 03 01:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o886v	Nov 03 01:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Steam for Linux Usage Is on the Rise and Gets Closer to 1% - Softpedia		Nov 03 01:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Old, not obsolete: IBM takes Linux mainframes	Nov 03 01:58
TweetTuxMachines	back to the future https://t.co/piNa95hujf	Nov 03 01:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theregister.co.uk)	Nov 03 01:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o886w	Nov 03 01:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.co.uk \| Old, not obsolete: IBM takes Linux mainframes back to the future • The Register		Nov 03 01:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Government picks Collabora for new Open Source	Nov 03 01:58
TweetTuxMachines	desktop suite https://t.co/XmgrVaWAUl	Nov 03 01:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 01:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o886x	Nov 03 01:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Government picks Collabora for new Open Source desktop suite \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 01:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Using Git and mailing lists time zones to find	Nov 03 01:58
TweetTuxMachines	out where developers live	Nov 03 01:58
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/zDSnRCnBWI (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 01:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o886y	Nov 03 01:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Using Git and mailing lists time zones to find out where developers live \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 01:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wikipedia and Deepak Chopra: Open-Source	Nov 03 01:59
TweetTuxMachines	Character Assassination https://t.co/1nhhf20DNi	Nov 03 01:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 01:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o886z	Nov 03 01:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Wikipedia and Deepak Chopra: Open-Source Character Assassination \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 01:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Exclusive: Tizen Smartphone Coming to 11	Nov 03 01:59
TweetTuxMachines	European Countries Including UK, France,	Nov 03 01:59
TweetTuxMachines	Germany and Russia By Ash - ...	Nov 03 01:59
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/hs1yMHwnb8 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 01:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8870	Nov 03 01:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Exclusive: Tizen Smartphone Coming to 11 European Countries Including UK, France, Germany and Russia By Ash - Nov 2, 2015 \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 01:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Which Linux Distribution You Should Use	Nov 03 06:47
TweetTuxMachines	Mohammad Forhad Iftekher 4 hours ago	Nov 03 06:47
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/TkkeiWCJKx (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 06:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o890s	Nov 03 06:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Which Linux Distribution You Should Use Mohammad Forhad Iftekher 4 hours ago \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 06:47
schestowitz	http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/35965/	Nov 03 07:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lxer.com \| LXer: Poettering said...: systemd 225 Adds 'su' Replacement, Saving of Private-Zone DHCP Options		Nov 03 07:26
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/angrymofo/status/661327361174929408	Nov 03 07:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@angrymofo: @Snowden @schestowitz They need to define 'breakable'. We all know given enough time anything's breakable so how easy do they want it to be?		Nov 03 07:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Going IaaS: What You Need to Know	Nov 03 07:34
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/gFhqXRbW7r (www.linux.com)	Nov 03 07:34
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8944	Nov 03 07:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com \| Going IaaS: What You Need to Know \| Linux.com		Nov 03 07:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Government picks Collabora for new Open Source	Nov 03 07:52
TweetTuxMachines	desktop suite https://t.co/i9BxrdqpKL	Nov 03 07:52
TweetTuxMachines	(www.itproportal.com)	Nov 03 07:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8959	Nov 03 07:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itproportal.com \| Government picks Collabora for new Open Source desktop suite \| ITProPortal.com		Nov 03 07:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tizen Smartphone Coming to 11 European	Nov 03 07:52
TweetTuxMachines	Countries Including UK, France, Germany and	Nov 03 07:52
TweetTuxMachines	Russia By Ash - Nov 2, 2015	Nov 03 07:52
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/y7iqRAeVkE (www.tizenexperts.com)	Nov 03 07:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o895a	Nov 03 07:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tizenexperts.com \| Exclusive: Tizen Smartphone Coming to 11 European Countries Including UK, France, Germany and Russia - Tizen Experts		Nov 03 07:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Which Linux Distribution You Should Use	Nov 03 07:52
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/pN7dhqu8hr (www.unixmen.com)	Nov 03 07:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o895b	Nov 03 07:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unixmen.com \| Which Linux Distribution You Should Use \| Unixmen		Nov 03 07:52
msb_	"It's a good thing I'm Russian. We're used to hopeless situations." -- Susan Ivanova -- Babylon 5	Nov 03 07:55
XRevan86	msb_: Can't comment that %).	Nov 03 08:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Doorways: Holy Mountains Of Flesh, An Immersive	Nov 03 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	Horror Adventure Now On Linux	Nov 03 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/SnlvFRtHVb (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Nov 03 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89c6	Nov 03 09:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Doorways: Holy Mountains Of Flesh, An Immersive Horror Adventure Now On Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Nov 03 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Voxel Blast, A Really Retro 3D Space Shooter	Nov 03 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	With Cool Music Now On Linux	Nov 03 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/IZ90aZ3tjG (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Nov 03 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89c7	Nov 03 09:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Voxel Blast, A Really Retro 3D Space Shooter With Cool Music Now On Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Nov 03 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Turn nearly any laptop into a Chromebook for	Nov 03 09:13
TweetTuxMachines	free https://t.co/neGspbPWID (www.zdnet.com)	Nov 03 09:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89c8	Nov 03 09:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Turn nearly any laptop into a Chromebook for free \| ZDNet		Nov 03 09:13
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/RavenXV/status/661478978767728640 https://twitter.com/RavenXV/status/661479311015309312 https://twitter.com/RavenXV/status/661480980994240512	Nov 03 09:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RavenXV: .@laurelrusswurm Yep, tho' the "mass" surveillance becomes narrow & nefarious @alastairsloan @schestowitz https://t.co/6xtChbHwa0		Nov 03 09:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RavenXV: .@laurelrusswurm & we get told Democratic States eg:UK conduct the same for the same ends @alastairsloan @schestowitz		Nov 03 09:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RavenXV: .@schestowitz And they (UK Govt / GCHQ) wonders why we here think they are all shit @laurelrusswurm @alastairsloan https://t.co/Lp01HZuHaR		Nov 03 09:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The good, the bad and the Ubuntu 15.10	Nov 03 09:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/m76V7o1Rdu (distrowatch.com)	Nov 03 09:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89gx	Nov 03 09:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com \| DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD.		Nov 03 09:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 4MLinux 14.0 Screenshot Tour	Nov 03 09:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/RUxFwIXZoi	Nov 03 09:56
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linuxscreenshots.org)	Nov 03 09:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89gy	Nov 03 09:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxscreenshots.org \| 4MLinux 14.0 Screenshot Tour		Nov 03 09:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 3/11/2015: Linux 4.3, OpenELEC 6.0	Nov 03 09:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/QjynsPcAmn (techrights.org)	Nov 03 09:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89gz	Nov 03 09:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 3/11/2015: Linux 4.3, OpenELEC 6.0 \| Techrights		Nov 03 09:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Huawei Watch review: the best Android Wear	Nov 03 09:58
TweetTuxMachines	smartwatch https://t.co/L1pS9vJKLc	Nov 03 09:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theguardian.com)	Nov 03 09:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89h7	Nov 03 09:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| Huawei Watch review: the best Android Wear smartwatch \| Technology \| The Guardian		Nov 03 09:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Announcing the Fedora Developer Portal	Nov 03 09:59
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/FTHDM4HHma (fedoramagazine.org)	Nov 03 09:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89hb	Nov 03 09:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org \| Announcing the Fedora Developer Portal - Fedora Magazine		Nov 03 09:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/nnD4802A7R	Nov 03 09:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 09:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89he	Nov 03 09:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 09:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/l8Acl1XQSb	Nov 03 09:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 09:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89hf	Nov 03 09:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 09:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/YeocYeVKxC	Nov 03 09:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 09:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89hg	Nov 03 09:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 09:59
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/pensadorlouco/status/661482272357539840	Nov 03 09:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/EFF7eSWFTx	Nov 03 09:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 09:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pensadorlouco: Linus Torvalds fires off angry ‘compiler-masturbation’ rant https://t.co/cE8xsrFHGO #linux #techrights		Nov 03 09:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89hh	Nov 03 09:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linkis.com \| Linus Torvalds fires off angry ‘compiler-masturbation’ rant \| Full Circle Magazine - Linkis.com		Nov 03 10:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's leftovers \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 10:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Whats New for You This November in Open Source	Nov 03 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	CMS https://t.co/L4wioiyDdX	Nov 03 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89ke	Nov 03 10:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Whats New for You This November in Open Source CMS \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The return of kwin_gles https://t.co/cSEUCWqZS3	Nov 03 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	(blog.martin-graesslin.com)	Nov 03 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89kf	Nov 03 10:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.martin-graesslin.com \| The return of kwin_gles \| Martin's Blog		Nov 03 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Cinnamon 2.8 released! https://t.co/JbO0CJu3eA	Nov 03 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	(segfault.linuxmint.com)	Nov 03 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89kg	Nov 03 10:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-segfault.linuxmint.com \| Cinnamon 2.8 released! ← Segfault		Nov 03 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Chromixium OS 1.5 Screencast and Screenshots	Nov 03 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/x5CswJ9Ovh	Nov 03 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linuxquestions.org)	Nov 03 10:31
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxquestions.org \| Chromixium OS 1.5 Screencast and Screenshots		Nov 03 10:31
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schestowitz	A bit older	Nov 03 10:58
schestowitz	http://earthsky.org/todays-image/fires-in-indonesia	Nov 03 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-earthsky.org \| Fires in Indonesia spread smoke \| Today's Image \| EarthSky		Nov 03 10:58
schestowitz	"Notice on the map they have also started fires over in PNG I've avoided products with palm oil for a long time now." -iophk	Nov 03 10:58
schestowitz	> x http://www.svd.se/5-saker-bill-gates-forutspadde-1999	Nov 03 11:03
schestowitz	>	Nov 03 11:03
schestowitz	> More bill-the-visionary revisionism	Nov 03 11:03
schestowitz	One day children will grow up not to know he ever was "controversial"	Nov 03 11:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.svd.se \| 5 saker Bill Gates förutspådde 1999 \| SvD		Nov 03 11:03
schestowitz	> http://business.financialpost.com/business-insider/people-in-sweden-are-hiding-cash-in-their-microwaves-because-of-a-fascinating-and-terrifying-economic-experiment	Nov 03 11:07
schestowitz	>	Nov 03 11:07
schestowitz	> Have you checked your service charges lately?	Nov 03 11:07
schestowitz	Virtually non-existent in the US, except the low interest on money they lend out to reckless people	Nov 03 11:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-business.financialpost.com \| People in Sweden are hiding cash in their microwaves because of a fascinating — and terrifying — economic experiment \| Financial Post		Nov 03 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf review - Fast and	Nov 03 11:12
TweetTuxMachines	spurious https://t.co/ZDUwKhFcSi	Nov 03 11:12
TweetTuxMachines	(www.dedoimedo.com)	Nov 03 11:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89oc	Nov 03 11:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dedoimedo.com \| Ubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf review - Fast and spurious		Nov 03 11:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 3/11/2015: Linux 4.3, OpenELEC 6.0	Nov 03 11:12
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by https://t.co/QjynsPcAmn (techrights.org)	Nov 03 11:12
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz	Nov 03 11:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89lz	Nov 03 11:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 3/11/2015: Linux 4.3, OpenELEC 6.0 \| Techrights		Nov 03 11:12
schestowitz	>>> x http://www.svd.se/5-saker-bill-gates-forutspadde-1999	Nov 03 11:25
schestowitz	>>> >>	Nov 03 11:25
schestowitz	>>> >> More bill-the-visionary revisionism	Nov 03 11:25
schestowitz	>> >	Nov 03 11:25
schestowitz	>> > One day children will grow up not to know he ever was "controversial"	Nov 03 11:25
schestowitz	> Well, he did single handedly invent the Internet with his own hands...	Nov 03 11:25
schestowitz	> or so I get the impression. :P	Nov 03 11:25
schestowitz	I can't think of an effective way to counter this with articles, without linking to such puff pieces and giving them hits.	Nov 03 11:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Announcing Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2	Nov 03 11:25
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/IxLjdTwtfv (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 11:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89q2	Nov 03 11:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Announcing Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 11:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenStack Summit: From Containers to Gaming as	Nov 03 11:25
TweetTuxMachines	a Service https://t.co/eFMeoOOauz	Nov 03 11:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 11:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89q3	Nov 03 11:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| OpenStack Summit: From Containers to Gaming as a Service \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf review - Fast and	Nov 03 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	spurious https://t.co/JEUmsDxlSz	Nov 03 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89q4	Nov 03 11:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf review - Fast and spurious \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Flavors Comparison: Ubuntu 15.10 vs	Nov 03 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	Kubuntu 15.10 vs Ubuntu GNOME 15.10	Nov 03 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/nIL9B6IuV4 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89q6	Nov 03 11:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Flavors Comparison: Ubuntu 15.10 vs Kubuntu 15.10 vs Ubuntu GNOME 15.10 \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Five Open-Source Slack Alternatives	Nov 03 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/HzFw4sV94d (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89q7	Nov 03 11:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Five Open-Source Slack Alternatives \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 11:26
*TweetTuxMachines @Infiniscene favourited 'OpenStack Summit: From Containers to Gaming as a...'		Nov 03 11:47
*TweetTuxMachines @Infiniscene followed @tuxmachines		Nov 03 11:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Flavors Comparison: Ubuntu 15.10 vs	Nov 03 11:47
TweetTuxMachines	Kubuntu 15.10 vs Ubuntu GNOME 15.10	Nov 03 11:47
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/NupytDdGPj (www.hecticgeek.com)	Nov 03 11:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89rt	Nov 03 11:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hecticgeek.com \| Ubuntu Flavors Comparison: Ubuntu 15.10 vs Kubuntu 15.10 vs Ubuntu GNOME 15.10		Nov 03 11:47
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/drtocqueville/status/661510472915660800	Nov 03 11:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@drtocqueville: @schestowitz Translation: merging the OSes will facilitate easier #metadata collation for NSA & #GCHQ #privacysellouts @corporategreed		Nov 03 11:53
schestowitz	I don't think it would truly ease this process	Nov 03 11:53
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/661510703354916865	Nov 03 11:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: The ultimate example of turning people into slaves! https://t.co/ae5XheVqsz #NoAgendaShow		Nov 03 11:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: People in Sweden are hiding cash in their microwaves because of a fascinating — and terrifying — economic experiment https://t.co/3RQkhhr6qX		Nov 03 11:54
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/inkchug/status/661514737285505024	Nov 03 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@inkchug: I prefer Windows 7. For the last month+ my computer fails at installing KB3097617. Driving me crazy. #t https://t.co/neeDBWAhmk		Nov 03 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Microsoft Admits Windows 10 Automatic Spying Cannot Be Stopped https://t.co/cWW45syOxw #vista10		Nov 03 12:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Top Android Remote Apps >	Nov 03 13:04
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/7WO80X8yXa (www.datamation.com)	Nov 03 13:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89yf	Nov 03 13:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datamation.com \| Top Android Remote Apps - Datamation		Nov 03 13:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Where’s My Marshmallow? When Will You Be	Nov 03 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	Getting The Android Marshmallow Update?	Nov 03 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/XVT125Y8iO	Nov 03 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.knowyourmobile.com)	Nov 03 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89yg	Nov 03 13:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.knowyourmobile.com \| Where’s My Marshmallow? When Will You Be Getting The Android Marshmallow Update? \| Know Your Mobile		Nov 03 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Leftovers https://t.co/x0FgYorVd0	Nov 03 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89yh	Nov 03 13:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 13:05
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cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/ms-dirtytricks.txt	Nov 03 17:42
cubexyz	ok, I can't imagine anyone reading all that and saying Gates was a visionary	Nov 03 17:42
cubexyz	he's an extractor of technology, a taker	Nov 03 17:43
cubexyz	he's also a big-time blocker of non-microsoft tech	Nov 03 17:44
cubexyz	in the beginning... the PDP-10 time used to write the first 8080 simulators for the initial BASIC interpreter was stolen	Nov 03 17:46
cubexyz	also let's not forget Blue Mountain Arts	Nov 03 17:48
MinceR	he was a visionary in confidence scams	Nov 03 17:48
cubexyz	I haven't added blue mountain to the dirty tricks file as yet	Nov 03 17:49
cubexyz	http://www.dotcomeon.com/bluemountain.html	Nov 03 17:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dotcomeon.com \| Blue Mountain Arts Sues WebTV and Microsoft for Email Blocking		Nov 03 17:49
cubexyz	naturally Microsoft had it's own greet card business	Nov 03 17:50
cubexyz	Microsoft needed to be slapped down hard, but what did Judge Kollar-Kotelly do?	Nov 03 17:52
cubexyz	didn't break up Microsoft, didn't require Microsoft to change any code, or prevent Microsoft from tying other software to windows!	Nov 03 17:53
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cubexyz	The Microsoft Boosters are simply wrong	Nov 03 19:43
cubexyz	but it's somewhat forgiveable that younger people think Microsoft invented PCs	Nov 03 19:44
cubexyz	it's not true of course	Nov 03 19:44
cubexyz	the Microsoft employee's may have deluded themselves into thinking that but it's false	Nov 03 19:45
cubexyz	what we call the PC was invented by IBM and Intel	Nov 03 19:45
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cubexyz	the PC clone? Invented by Columbia Data Products and Compaq	Nov 03 19:46
cubexyz	TCP/IP stack? from BSD	Nov 03 19:48
cubexyz	just think about Unix for a second...	Nov 03 19:53
cubexyz	BSD had a TCP/IP stack in 1983	Nov 03 19:53
cubexyz	that's 2 years before windows 1.0 existed	Nov 03 19:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Upgrading from Fedora 22 to Fedora 23	Nov 03 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/6QuG2txKm6 (fedoramagazine.org)	Nov 03 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8bus	Nov 03 20:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org \| Upgrading from Fedora 22 to Fedora 23 - Fedora Magazine		Nov 03 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BlackBerry's New Android Smartphone Could Be	Nov 03 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	Its Last Device https://t.co/0ls5DXAqDQ	Nov 03 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.bloomberg.com)	Nov 03 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8but	Nov 03 20:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bloomberg.com \| BlackBerry's New Android Smartphone Could Be Its Last Device - Bloomberg Business		Nov 03 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Imagining what Google’s hybrid	Nov 03 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	Android-plus-Chrome OS might look like	Nov 03 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/a2Y72IcZK8 (arstechnica.com)	Nov 03 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8buu	Nov 03 20:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Imagining what Google’s hybrid Android-plus-Chrome OS might look like \| Ars Technica		Nov 03 20:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines It's a Bird. It's Another Bird!	Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/8kawf8Y5BJ (www.linuxjournal.com)	Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8bxj	Nov 03 20:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxjournal.com \| It's a Bird. It's Another Bird! \| Linux Journal		Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Bomgar Remote Support 15.2 offers new	Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	capabilities for supporting Linux endpoints"	Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/8kawf8Y5BJ (www.linuxjournal.com)	Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8bxk	Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android N UK release date, name and feature	Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	rumours: Can you guess the name of Android 7.0	Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	N? https://t.co/eXhbdEZVe9	Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.pcadvisor.co.uk)	Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8bxl	Nov 03 20:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcadvisor.co.uk \| Android N UK release date, name and feature rumours - New Product - PC Advisor		Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23 released https://t.co/5RzubJhMii	Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	(fedoramagazine.org)	Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8bxm	Nov 03 20:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org \| Fedora 23 released - Fedora Magazine		Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What’s new in Fedora 23 Workstation	Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/E5keeOOr9y (fedoramagazine.org)	Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8bxn	Nov 03 20:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org \| What's new in Fedora 23 Workstation - Fedora Magazine		Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation Scholarship Recipient: Enrique	Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	Sevillano https://t.co/wPw3kpriVu	Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8bxo	Nov 03 20:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Foundation Scholarship Recipient: Enrique Sevillano \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice	Nov 03 20:22
TweetTuxMachines	5.0.3 “fresh” and LibreOffice 4.4.6 “still”	Nov 03 20:22
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/k3YI9N0fI3 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 20:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8bxs	Nov 03 20:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 5.0.3 “fresh” and LibreOffice 4.4.6 “still” \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 20:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A breakdown of FOSS for students and	Nov 03 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	researchers in academia https://t.co/e5QjEmWSdQ	Nov 03 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8by4	Nov 03 20:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| A breakdown of FOSS for students and researchers in academia \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines In Memory of Telsa Gwynne	Nov 03 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/1CesoqQykE (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8by5	Nov 03 20:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| In Memory of Telsa Gwynne \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Budgie 15.11 Is Based on Budgie 8.3 and	Nov 03 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	It Looks Great https://t.co/JcXnFMTAPK	Nov 03 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8by6	Nov 03 20:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Manjaro Budgie 15.11 Is Based on Budgie 8.3 and It Looks Great \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 20:23
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schestowitz	> While we are in conversation, I offer a bit of family gossip from	Nov 03 21:06
schestowitz	> Florida. Andrew has filed for divorce. They brought out the worst in	Nov 03 21:06
schestowitz	> each other and the 20 year marriage was doomed from the early years. A	Nov 03 21:06
schestowitz	> little advice...stay close with your family. Do you stay in touch with	Nov 03 21:06
schestowitz	> your siblings?	Nov 03 21:06
schestowitz	I can recall him crying on the phone over a decade ago, after he had distanced himself from his parents and had problems with the marriage. Siblings are one kind of support network, I'm close with my brother these days...	Nov 03 21:06
schestowitz	^ OT ^	Nov 03 21:06
schestowitz	a friend from Florida	Nov 03 21:06
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Sheikh_al_Touar/status/661651756087181312	Nov 03 21:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Sheikh_al_Touar: @schestowitz FYI, SUEPO site seems to work again. Probably maintenance.		Nov 03 21:12
schestowitz	still down for me	Nov 03 21:12
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Cinnamon 2.8 released: Screenshots	Nov 03 21:48
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/l6bAMFuxDN (linuxbsdos.com)	Nov 03 21:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8cce	Nov 03 21:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxbsdos.com \| Cinnamon 2.8 released: Screenshots \| LinuxBSDos.com		Nov 03 21:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation Scholarship Recipient: Enrique	Nov 03 21:48
TweetTuxMachines	Sevillano https://t.co/0RveCnPydg	Nov 03 21:48
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linux.com)	Nov 03 21:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8ccf	Nov 03 21:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com \| Linux Foundation Scholarship Recipient: Enrique Sevillano \| Linux.com		Nov 03 21:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Budgie 15.11 Is Based on Budgie 8.3 and	Nov 03 21:48
TweetTuxMachines	It Looks Great https://t.co/wlYsTWKVlY	Nov 03 21:48
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Nov 03 21:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8ccg	Nov 03 21:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Manjaro Budgie 15.11 Is Based on Budgie 8.3 and It Looks Great - Softpedia		Nov 03 21:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Overcoming barriers to Open Source - Tackling	Nov 03 21:54
TweetTuxMachines	the business case for open source	Nov 03 21:54
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/sNSKud0v1y (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 21:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8ce6	Nov 03 21:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Overcoming barriers to Open Source - Tackling the business case for open source \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 21:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ZOTAC Have A Trailer To Show Off Their NEN	Nov 03 21:54
TweetTuxMachines	Steam Machine https://t.co/dfjB0d99mk	Nov 03 21:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Nov 03 21:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8ced	Nov 03 21:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| ZOTAC Have A Trailer To Show Off Their NEN Steam Machine \| GamingOnLinux		Nov 03 21:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Alienware Steam Machine Is Shown Off In Another	Nov 03 21:55
TweetTuxMachines	Nice Video https://t.co/0SzmXlFqO2	Nov 03 21:55
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Nov 03 21:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8cef	Nov 03 21:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Alienware Steam Machine Is Shown Off In Another Nice Video \| GamingOnLinux		Nov 03 21:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Another Fishing Game Is Planning A Linux	Nov 03 22:07
TweetTuxMachines	Version Named 'Euro Fishing'	Nov 03 22:07
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/ZPFfirfNLQ (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Nov 03 22:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8cgm	Nov 03 22:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Another Fishing Game Is Planning A Linux Version Named 'Euro Fishing' \| GamingOnLinux		Nov 03 22:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Compact, rugged box-PC has four GbE ports, runs	Nov 03 22:07
TweetTuxMachines	Linux https://t.co/TFHiY7d1sD (linuxgizmos.com)	Nov 03 22:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8cgn	Nov 03 22:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Compact, rugged box-PC has four GbE ports, runs Linux · LinuxGizmos.com		Nov 03 22:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tails 1.7 is out https://t.co/jGNWmBd6ad	Nov 03 22:07
TweetTuxMachines	(tails.boum.org) "This release fixes numerous	Nov 03 22:07
TweetTuxMachines	security issues. All users must upgrade as soon	Nov 03 22:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://tails.boum.org/news/version_1.7/index.en.html )		Nov 03 22:07
TweetTuxMachines	as possible."	Nov 03 22:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8cgo	Nov 03 22:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fotoxx 15.11.1 Has Been Just Released	Nov 03 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Nv8Kqhz5Aq (linuxg.net)	Nov 03 23:14
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 3/11/2015: Tails 1.7, Fedora 23	Nov 03 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/G1bzF1RAre (techrights.org)	Nov 03 23:14
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/kt84gSSmAM	Nov 03 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org) Today in Techrights	Nov 03 23:14
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/kt84gSSmAM (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 23:14
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*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Links 3/11/2015: Tails 1.7, Fedora 23 https://t.co/G1bzF1RAre'		Nov 03 23:14
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/2rvcEoDh5L	Nov 03 23:15
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 23:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/mydwZMgNMs	Nov 03 23:47
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 23:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/UjYNYUwQ6H	Nov 03 23:47
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 23:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/sA3LFWQlkZ	Nov 03 23:47
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 23:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/BSUoFJiuLM	Nov 03 23:47
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 23:47
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/BSUoFJiuLM	Nov 04 00:58
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 00:58
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz	Nov 04 00:58
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Too many blobs being inserted into #linux these	Nov 04 01:00
TweetTuxMachines	days https://t.co/zz9yg9k1Iq (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 04 01:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8d7v	Nov 04 01:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| GNU Linux-libre 4.3 Warns Of Intel Skylake Sound, New AMDGPU Blobs - Phoronix		Nov 04 01:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.3 File-System Comparison With Btrfs,	Nov 04 01:00
TweetTuxMachines	EXT4, XFS, F2FS https://t.co/Vifk9SaKxB	Nov 04 01:00
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Nov 04 01:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Linux 4.3 File-System Comparison With Btrfs, EXT4, XFS, F2FS - Phoronix		Nov 04 01:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Rootless #XOrg is here https://t.co/UIwj5mV9BX	Nov 04 01:00
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Nov 04 01:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Debian Moves To Non-Root X.Org Server By Default - Phoronix		Nov 04 01:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Antifeatures like #tpm injected into #linux	Nov 04 01:00
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/0dhgErzh70 (lkml.iu.edu)	Nov 04 01:00
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8d7z	Nov 04 01:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.iu.edu \| Linux-Kernel Archive: [GIT PULL] Security subsystem update for 4.4		Nov 04 01:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wine-Staging 1.7.54 Improves The WIDL Compiler	Nov 04 02:13
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/BcKwSdh14o (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 04 02:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Wine-Staging 1.7.54 Improves The WIDL Compiler - Phoronix		Nov 04 02:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open Source Mobile Voter Registration System	Nov 04 02:13
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/2vucBGAtf4 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 02:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Open Source Mobile Voter Registration System \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 02:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Phoronix on Linux 4.4 https://t.co/kbt1J7GXTj	Nov 04 03:29
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 03:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8drb	Nov 04 03:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Phoronix on Linux 4.4 \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 03:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Phoronix on Linux 4.3 https://t.co/jvMdBAiNvC	Nov 04 03:29
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 03:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Phoronix on Linux 4.3 \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 03:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux-based robots will soon deliver packages	Nov 04 03:29
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Er7NUQWTMq (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 03:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux-based robots will soon deliver packages \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 03:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23 Cinnamon: Screenshots	Nov 04 03:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/NWKebAB1H1 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 03:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Fedora 23 Cinnamon: Screenshots \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 03:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Firefox Version 42.0 https://t.co/aD1nimReGh	Nov 04 03:56
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 03:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Firefox Version 42.0 \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 03:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines FreeBSD comes to 64-bit ARM	Nov 04 03:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/QvjFOt3yVO (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 03:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| FreeBSD comes to 64-bit ARM \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 03:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SUSECon 2015: SUSE joins the Cloud Foundry	Nov 04 03:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/4x8wiVZA1S (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 03:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| SUSECon 2015: SUSE joins the Cloud Foundry \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 03:56
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msb_	Would somebody please call me on skype? My ID is markbilk I want to see if I get audio notification. I'm trying to communicate with a long-lost friend, who only may be able to use skype.	Nov 04 08:54
msb_	I know its evil, but please do it anyhow.	Nov 04 08:56
msb_	Nevermind. We called each other and it worked.	Nov 04 09:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kernel Summit tech day coverage complete	Nov 04 09:59
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/RZHEUZV2Fw (lwn.net)	Nov 04 09:59
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lwn.net \| Kernel Summit tech day coverage complete [LWN.net]		Nov 04 09:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora Marketing is Not a Spectator Sport	Nov 04 10:18
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/rZtdPxvZDX (fedoramagazine.org)	Nov 04 10:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org \| Fedora Marketing is Not a Spectator Sport - Fedora Magazine		Nov 04 10:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android 6.0 Marshmallow vs. iOS 9 – What You	Nov 04 10:18
TweetTuxMachines	Need To Know About Them https://t.co/xeNamfhtkz	Nov 04 10:18
TweetTuxMachines	(neurogadget.com)	Nov 04 10:18
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-neurogadget.com \| Android 6.0 Marshmallow vs. iOS 9 – What You Need To Know About Them - Neurogadget.com		Nov 04 10:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux-based robots will soon deliver packages	Nov 04 10:18
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/v2si66FrQp (linuxgizmos.com)	Nov 04 10:18
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23 Cinnamon: Screenshots	Nov 04 10:28
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/NYs6jNBdIx (linuxbsdos.com)	Nov 04 10:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxbsdos.com \| Fedora 23 Cinnamon: Screenshots \| LinuxBSDos.com		Nov 04 10:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Firefox Version 42.0 https://t.co/D1j6w5UurM	Nov 04 10:28
TweetTuxMachines	(www.mozilla.org) https://t.co/wnbSWmKUey	Nov 04 10:28
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxg.net)	Nov 04 10:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mozilla.org \| Firefox — Notes (42.0) — Mozilla		Nov 04 10:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net \| Firefox 42 Brings Improvements And Changes \| LinuxG.net		Nov 04 10:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fresh LibreOffice Updates, Fedora 23 Released	Nov 04 10:29
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/GjIj3u6v5v (ostatic.com)	Nov 04 10:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ostatic.com \| Fresh LibreOffice Updates, Fedora 23 Released		Nov 04 10:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Gaming on Linux is Here: Install SteamOS Beta	Nov 04 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	Today https://t.co/jmDTVDEY81	Nov 04 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	(www.makeuseof.com) https://t.co/XMkE9L9tDh	Nov 04 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Nov 04 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.makeuseof.com \| Gaming on Linux is Here: Install SteamOS Beta Today		Nov 04 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8f4p	Nov 04 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Steam Linux Usage Increases Slightly, Still Below 1% - Phoronix		Nov 04 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fresh LibreOffice Updates, Fedora 23 Released	Nov 04 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/RKdciFcSJw (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8f4r	Nov 04 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Fresh LibreOffice Updates, Fedora 23 Released \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Gaming on Linux is Here: Install SteamOS Beta	Nov 04 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	Today https://t.co/K2XeaFXCeo	Nov 04 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8f4s	Nov 04 11:18
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XRevan86	https://news.opensuse.org/2015/11/04/opensuse-leap-42-1-becomes-first-hybrid-distribution	Nov 04 12:11
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XRevan86	openSUSE Leap 42.1 release that is.	Nov 04 12:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora: The Latest https://t.co/HHC7UgcV49	Nov 04 12:48
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 12:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Fedora: The Latest \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 12:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNU/Linux and Free/Libre Software Dominance:	Nov 04 12:48
TweetTuxMachines	What It Comes Down to is Patents	Nov 04 12:48
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/a4n57ZtUKB (techrights.org)	Nov 04 12:48
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| GNU/Linux and Free/Libre Software Dominance: What It Comes Down to is Patents \| Techrights		Nov 04 12:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Quick-turn baseboard dev tool adds third-party	Nov 04 13:37
TweetTuxMachines	COMs, SBCs https://t.co/s0mzWJtW9Q	Nov 04 13:37
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 13:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Quick-turn baseboard dev tool adds third-party COMs, SBCs \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 13:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines European rural schools rely on open source	Nov 04 13:37
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/pjSgO901nW (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 13:37
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| European rural schools rely on open source \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 13:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines More Fixes Added for Ubuntu Touch OTA-8	Nov 04 13:38
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/TDzz9BpUdI (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 13:38
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8fhr	Nov 04 13:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| More Fixes Added for Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 13:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNU/Linux and Free/Libre Software Dominance:	Nov 04 14:53
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by What It Comes Down to is Patents	Nov 04 14:53
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://t.co/a4n57ZtUKB (techrights.org)	Nov 04 14:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8fhv	Nov 04 14:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Quick-turn baseboard dev tool adds third-party	Nov 04 14:53
TweetTuxMachines	COMs, SBCs https://t.co/SBomcFyMUT	Nov 04 14:53
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Nov 04 14:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8fq2	Nov 04 14:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Quick-turn baseboard dev tool adds third-party COMs, SBCs · LinuxGizmos.com		Nov 04 14:53
MinceR	so much bullshit	Nov 04 15:15
MinceR	and yet not one fucking word about what these systemd and mono lovers mean by "hybrid distribution"	Nov 04 15:16
MinceR	typical corporate garbage	Nov 04 15:16
XRevan86	MinceR: It's a hybrid from SLE and openSUSE Tumbleweed.	Nov 04 15:22
XRevan86	that's what they meant	Nov 04 15:22
MinceR	"ooh, look at us, we're the first in the world to make a hybrid of our two previous shitty distros!"	Nov 04 15:23
*MinceR spits		Nov 04 15:23
XRevan86	MinceR: ookay	Nov 04 15:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines More Fixes Added for Ubuntu Touch OTA-8	Nov 04 15:47
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/OG8VCRK4IJ (news.softpedia.com)	Nov 04 15:47
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/sMBsQIjSIE (news.softpedia.com)	Nov 04 15:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| More Fixes Added for Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 - Softpedia		Nov 04 15:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Touch on More Phones Would Be a Mistake Right Now, Says Mark Shuttleworth - Softpedia		Nov 04 15:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Review OpenSUSE 42.1 Leap	Nov 04 15:48
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/MXf6H1oiK6 (www.unixmen.com)	Nov 04 15:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8fx7	Nov 04 15:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unixmen.com \| Review OpenSUSE 42.1 Leap \| Unixmen		Nov 04 15:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME’s newcomer guide is improving	Nov 04 15:48
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/mnhRb9I6QY (blogs.gnome.org)	Nov 04 15:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8fx8	Nov 04 15:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://blogs.gnome.org/bastian/2015/11/04/improving-the-newcomers-guide-in-gnome/ )		Nov 04 15:48
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XRevan86	MinceR: By the way, Mono?	Nov 04 16:38
XRevan86	MinceR: Mono and SUSE are unrelated now.	Nov 04 16:38
MinceR	they were pushing pretty hard for it back in the day	Nov 04 16:40
MinceR	now they got in line with another attempt to destroy gnu/linux, systemd	Nov 04 16:40
MinceR	plus their distros always sucked, afaict	Nov 04 16:40
MinceR	i have no respect for them	Nov 04 16:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kubuntu Developers Planning Improvements For	Nov 04 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	16.04 Xenial https://t.co/GkIAWQoZKQ	Nov 04 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Nov 04 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gdp	Nov 04 17:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Kubuntu Developers Planning Improvements For 16.04 Xenial - Phoronix		Nov 04 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat News https://t.co/Dt6W9xWeGh	Nov 04 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gdq	Nov 04 17:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat News \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kubuntu Developers Planning Improvements For	Nov 04 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	16.04 Xenial https://t.co/1VDh8mf4bD	Nov 04 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gdr	Nov 04 17:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Kubuntu Developers Planning Improvements For 16.04 Xenial \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 17:25
cubexyz	I bet companies try to force everyone into the cloud in the future	Nov 04 18:10
MinceR	indeed	Nov 04 18:13
MinceR	the attempt to destroy general-purpose computers or at least take them out of the hands of most people, including us, is part of that	Nov 04 18:14
MinceR	take the power out of the hands of the people and make them dependent on the megacorporations	Nov 04 18:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME’s newcomer guide is improving	Nov 04 18:17
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/ikmm5sKcMY (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 18:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gnu	Nov 04 18:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Kernel, Graphics	Nov 04 18:17
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Oav1RKxia2 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 18:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gnv	Nov 04 18:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GNOME’s newcomer guide is improving \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 18:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Kernel, Graphics \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 18:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Review OpenSUSE 42.1 Leap	Nov 04 18:17
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/6x8r1W4lLr (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 18:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gnw	Nov 04 18:17
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6754934	Nov 04 18:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Veeam announces Backup for Linux http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=147364 #gnu #linux		Nov 04 18:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Couldn't resolve host 'www.itweb.co.za' ( status 0 @ http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=147364 )		Nov 04 18:20
schestowitz	"	Nov 04 18:20
schestowitz	I interviewed once for a job and was asked what backup software I had experience on, so I said tar. Do not remember exactly how it went but was something like: What happens if you want to transfer backups between operating systems? I use tar. And what about compression? tar with gzip. And if you want to schedule backups? tar with cron. And for backing up Windows servers? I do not care, I’m a Linux sysadmin.	Nov 04 18:20
schestowitz	Even so I got the job. =)	Nov 04 18:20
schestowitz	"	Nov 04 18:20
schestowitz	"lol"	Nov 04 18:20
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6779623	Nov 04 18:21
schestowitz	"don’t use Iphone ? It’s the same i suppose with Android, no ?"	Nov 04 18:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The #NSA Can Now Spy On #Apple #iPhones Via Zero Day Hack http://www.bidnessetc.com/56720-the-nsa-can-now-spy-on-apple-iphones-via-zero-day-hack/ solution: don't use one.		Nov 04 18:21
schestowitz	Yes, to a similar degree	Nov 04 18:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bidnessetc.com \| The NSA Can Now Spy On Apple iPhones Via Zero Day Hack		Nov 04 18:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat Sells Out With a Microsoft Patent Deal	Nov 04 18:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/VLON8BbkCB (techrights.org)	Nov 04 18:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gow	Nov 04 18:23
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Red Hat Sells Out With a Microsoft Patent...'		Nov 04 18:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Red Hat Sells Out With a Microsoft Patent Deal \| Techrights		Nov 04 18:23
cubexyz	no one seems to talk much about the successor to tar which was called dar	Nov 04 18:35
cubexyz	I have to admit I've never bothered with it '	Nov 04 18:35
XRevan86	cubexyz: But tar is perfect.	Nov 04 18:38
*TweetTuxMachines @longtheriverrun followed @tuxmachines		Nov 04 18:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android 6.0 Marshmallow Update Status For Moto	Nov 04 18:39
TweetTuxMachines	X Pure, Moto X Play, Moto G, Moto E	Nov 04 18:39
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/0BwPwndayR (www.ibtimes.com)	Nov 04 18:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gs2	Nov 04 18:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.com \| Android 6.0 Marshmallow Update Status For Moto X Pure, Moto X Play, Moto G, Moto E		Nov 04 18:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why Google Should Merge Chrome OS and Android	Nov 04 18:39
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/A8bqleOcIK (gadgets.ndtv.com)	Nov 04 18:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gs7	Nov 04 18:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gadgets.ndtv.com \| Why Google Should Merge Chrome OS and Android \| NDTV Gadgets360.com		Nov 04 18:39
MinceR	http://techrights.org/2015/11/04/red-hat-sells-out/	Nov 04 18:50
MinceR	time to call for a boycott against redcrap	Nov 04 18:51
cubexyz	around 2011 Fedora went kind of bad	Nov 04 18:52
MinceR	it was always bad, but not this bad	Nov 04 18:52
cubexyz	that's when I started looking more closely at BSD and slackware	Nov 04 18:52
cubexyz	it wasn't always bad	Nov 04 18:53
MinceR	it was always rpm	Nov 04 18:53
cubexyz	when Yarrow came out back in 2003 I liked it a lot	Nov 04 18:53
MinceR	i wonder when they started using the train wreck known as yum	Nov 04 18:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Andalucia’s IT management tool ‘ready for	Nov 04 18:54
TweetTuxMachines	reuse’	Nov 04 18:54
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/QvuRbKtB70 (joinup.ec.europa.eu)	Nov 04 18:54
TweetTuxMachines	"designed to run on the Debian and Ubuntu"	Nov 04 18:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gvo	Nov 04 18:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joinup.ec.europa.eu \| Andalucia’s IT management tool ‘ready for reuse’ \| Joinup		Nov 04 18:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Top 20 Best Tizen Apps for October 2015	Nov 04 18:54
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/O4JLGXmOLF (www.tizenexperts.com)	Nov 04 18:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gvp	Nov 04 18:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The best smartwatch for Android	Nov 04 18:55
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/SHRf26QQGz (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 18:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gvu	Nov 04 18:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The best smartwatch for Android \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 18:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Software Centre To Be Replaced in 16.04	Nov 04 18:58
TweetTuxMachines	LTS https://t.co/zyZjGWTRKz	Nov 04 18:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 18:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gwk	Nov 04 18:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Software Centre To Be Replaced in 16.04 LTS \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 18:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines openSUSE 42.1 Leap Benchmarks	Nov 04 18:58
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/bUhXzSt1JS (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 18:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gwl	Nov 04 18:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| openSUSE 42.1 Leap Benchmarks \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 18:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New Debian Administrator’s Handbook is on its	Nov 04 18:58
TweetTuxMachines	way (now finalised) https://t.co/b8FDE2fkhy	Nov 04 18:58
TweetTuxMachines	(raphaelhertzog.com)	Nov 04 18:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gwm	Nov 04 18:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-raphaelhertzog.com \| My Free Software Activities in October 2015		Nov 04 18:58
cubexyz	well if you go back far enough there was only tar, and before that just ar and tp	Nov 04 19:01
cubexyz	eventually if you want to maintain an old distro your repos will disappear anyway	Nov 04 19:02
cubexyz	I suppose you could set up your own repo	Nov 04 19:03
cubexyz	I'm quite comfortable using tarballs, compile and install that way	Nov 04 19:04
MinceR	schestowitz: do you have more on this patent deal? the redcrap press release doesn't seem to say anything about patents specifically	Nov 04 19:04
cubexyz	we still use ar today actually... look in /usr/lib	Nov 04 19:05
cubexyz	there's lots of *.a files in there	Nov 04 19:05
cubexyz	yes, it's a shame about Redhat	Nov 04 19:07
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/desktop/fc1-upgraded-desktop-2010.png	Nov 04 19:14
cubexyz	a reminder of happier days	Nov 04 19:14
MinceR	back when kde wasn't shit	Nov 04 19:14
schestowitz	[19:04] <MinceR> schestowitz: do you have more on this patent deal? the redcrap press release doesn't seem to say anything about patents specifically	Nov 04 19:30
schestowitz	You need to look more closely, beyond the PR	Nov 04 19:30
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/661989369872523266	Nov 04 19:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: by the way: use @ownCloud ! https://t.co/e7pvZYZF75		Nov 04 19:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @Wikinaut I did earlier today		Nov 04 19:32
schestowitz	Too much SUSE in it..	Nov 04 19:32
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/661989823977267200	Nov 04 19:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: Where is your special problem, pls. elaborate. https://t.co/OjxMl6BXjH		Nov 04 19:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @Wikinaut @ownCloud Too much SUSE in it..		Nov 04 19:47
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/661990217709146117	Nov 04 19:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: @schestowitz if you say, too much SUSE in ownCloud, is then too much RSA in PGP/GPG and what do you want to do against it ? Going Signal ?		Nov 04 19:47
schestowitz	You need to understand my past with Boycott Novell	Nov 04 19:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A new Android One phone will launch in India	Nov 04 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	soon https://t.co/ATZDh7KFuw	Nov 04 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theverge.com)	Nov 04 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8h88	Nov 04 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com \| A new Android One phone will launch in India soon \| The Verge		Nov 04 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google Says Over 19K Organizations Are Now	Nov 04 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	Testing Or Using Android For Work	Nov 04 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/IqoPPQYwu9 (techcrunch.com)	Nov 04 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8h89	Nov 04 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com \| Google Says Over 19K Organizations Are Now Testing Or Using Android For Work \| TechCrunch		Nov 04 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How This One Radical Move Could Help Google	Nov 04 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	Fight Apple https://t.co/NtVCbrhAhB (time.com)	Nov 04 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8h8a	Nov 04 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-time.com \| Merging Android and Chrome Could Help Google Fight Apple		Nov 04 19:51
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DaemonFC	And the campaign is over. Mayor Henry won in a landslide. Republicans freaking out.	Nov 04 19:56
DaemonFC	Every major candidate that our governor personally endorsed lost big time.	Nov 04 19:56
MinceR	:)	Nov 04 20:05
MinceR	schestowitz: might be worth linking this: http://www.redhat.com/en/about/blog/faq-red-hat-and-microsoft-partnership	Nov 04 20:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com \| FAQ: Red Hat and Microsoft Partnership \| Red Hat		Nov 04 20:07
MinceR	not that it particularly clears things up or anything	Nov 04 20:07
cubexyz	more pushing the cloud	Nov 04 20:10
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/662000363860553729	Nov 04 20:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz please do check details before accusing.		Nov 04 20:20
schestowitz	I checked	Nov 04 20:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 4/11/2015: Linux-Based Parcel Delivery,	Nov 04 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	OpenSUSE Leap 42.1 https://t.co/USpm980FaF	Nov 04 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Nov 04 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8hee	Nov 04 20:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 4/11/2015: Linux-Based Parcel Delivery, OpenSUSE Leap 42.1 \| Techrights		Nov 04 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Security Leftovers https://t.co/RtyiGUcsU3	Nov 04 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8hef	Nov 04 20:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Security Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: OSS https://t.co/2SrMMdJAqs	Nov 04 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8heg	Nov 04 20:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: OSS \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 20:21
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/662001876880244736	Nov 04 20:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz so did we accept money? Did we betray the community? Please explain. And compare to Novell deal.		Nov 04 20:23
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/662002110184189952	Nov 04 20:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz happily on Azure: Canonical. SUSE. Did you check?		Nov 04 20:23
schestowitz	I didn't say it's the same as Novell's	Nov 04 20:24
schestowitz	@jwildeboer I already chastised Canonical over this	Nov 04 20:24
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/662002332763312128	Nov 04 20:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz you retweeted "money over ethics". Proof?		Nov 04 20:24
schestowitz	Red Hat thinks it can give it more customers, but at whose cost/expense?	Nov 04 20:24
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/662002717292896256	Nov 04 20:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz nice. Proof? Did Red Hat accept money? Your retweet claims so, innit?		Nov 04 20:26
schestowitz	It didn't claim anything like that	Nov 04 20:26
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/662002898189045760	Nov 04 20:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz or could it be Microsoft accepting the inevitable? Open wins ;-)		Nov 04 20:34
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/662003296920580097	Nov 04 20:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz you retweeted "money over ethics".		Nov 04 20:34
schestowitz	Not my words	Nov 04 20:34
schestowitz	"Open" does not win when it's run under a proprietary stack by a company that patent-taxes it	Nov 04 20:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/zDEDv8iawK	Nov 04 20:36
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 20:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8hhv	Nov 04 20:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 20:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/zb5dpmFus3	Nov 04 20:36
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 20:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8hhx	Nov 04 20:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 20:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/SMTbTLqsfD	Nov 04 20:37
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 20:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8hhy	Nov 04 20:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's leftovers \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 20:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 4/11/2015: Linux-Based Parcel Delivery,	Nov 04 20:44
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by OpenSUSE Leap 42.1 https://t.co/USpm980FaF	Nov 04 20:44
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz (techrights.org)	Nov 04 20:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8hi0	Nov 04 20:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 4/11/2015: Linux-Based Parcel Delivery, OpenSUSE Leap 42.1 \| Techrights		Nov 04 20:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat’s Deal With Microsoft Resurrects Fears	Nov 04 20:44
TweetTuxMachines	of Software Patents Against GNU/Linux and	Nov 04 20:44
TweetTuxMachines	Introduces Fees https://t.co/oOY65IP4wW	Nov 04 20:44
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Nov 04 20:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8hja	Nov 04 20:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Red Hat’s Deal With Microsoft Resurrects Fears of Software Patents Against GNU/Linux and Introduces ‘Triple-Dipping’ of Fees \| Techrights		Nov 04 20:45
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/662005919430090753	Nov 04 21:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz like Amazon?		Nov 04 21:04
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/662006101785845760	Nov 04 21:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz and how much patent tax does Red Hat pay? Oooooh.		Nov 04 21:04
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/662008722860937216	Nov 04 21:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz do we get vouchers to "compete" with SUSE they way Novell got?		Nov 04 21:04
schestowitz	Novell was a lot worse	Nov 04 21:04
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/662012754677604352\	Nov 04 21:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz we don't get vouchers to "compete" with SUSE ;-)		Nov 04 21:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 4/11/2015: Linux-Based Parcel Delivery,	Nov 04 21:29
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by OpenSUSE Leap 42.1 https://t.co/USpm980FaF	Nov 04 21:29
TweetTuxMachines	@The_Code_Shirts (techrights.org)	Nov 04 21:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8hr6	Nov 04 21:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat’s Deal With Microsoft Resurrects Fears	Nov 04 21:30
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by of Software Patents Against GNU/Linux and	Nov 04 21:30
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz Introduces Fees https://t.co/oOY65IP4wW	Nov 04 21:30
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Nov 04 21:30
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8hqh	Nov 04 21:30
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*TweetTuxMachines @oioiiooixiii retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Red Hat’s Deal With Microsoft Resurrects Fears of...'		Nov 04 21:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wind blows Helix Cloud, Pulsar Linux, Rocket	Nov 04 21:42
TweetTuxMachines	RTOS toward IoT https://t.co/jxK8OgsonN	Nov 04 21:42
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 21:42
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8htb	Nov 04 21:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Wind blows Helix Cloud, Pulsar Linux, Rocket RTOS toward IoT \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 21:42
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/662022669920026624	Nov 04 21:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Surveillance bill: broad support gives way to alarm over detail @schestowitz https://t.co/4hLRajdUYz		Nov 04 21:48
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/662022669920026624	Nov 04 21:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com \| Surveillance bill: broad support gives way to alarm over detail \| World news \| The Guardian		Nov 04 21:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GALPon MiniNo Makes Kid-Friendly Lightweight	Nov 04 22:40
TweetTuxMachines	Linux https://t.co/MjEh2onkfQ	Nov 04 22:40
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 22:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8i3j	Nov 04 22:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GALPon MiniNo Makes Kid-Friendly Lightweight Linux \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 22:40
*TweetTuxMachines @diyana_null favourited 'Red Hat’s Deal With Microsoft Resurrects Fears of...'		Nov 04 22:40
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/tallelfin/status/662037037537619968	Nov 04 22:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tallelfin: Heh. I had that same conversation with another #SysAdmin on Monday. https://t.co/2YlFbiZX9E		Nov 04 22:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Is open source overtaking Splunk? https://t.co/WnjeDu4l1J hopefully.I used #splunk and it's overrated, grossly overpriced.		Nov 04 22:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines kernel summit 2015 wrap-up	Nov 04 22:55
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/OrdnKhdqy8 (codemonkey.org.uk)	Nov 04 22:55
TweetTuxMachines	"Exhausting travel aside, kernel summit in	Nov 04 22:55
TweetTuxMachines	Seoul was a good use of time."	Nov 04 22:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8i5y	Nov 04 22:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-codemonkey.org.uk \| kernel summit 2015 wrap-up - codemonkey.org.uk		Nov 04 22:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google tries to woo enterprises with new	Nov 04 22:55
TweetTuxMachines	Android for Work initiatives	Nov 04 22:55
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/aR7ZtC4PkE (www.infoworld.com)	Nov 04 22:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8i5z	Nov 04 22:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.infoworld.com \| Google tries to woo enterprises with new Android for Work initiatives \| InfoWorld		Nov 04 22:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Divinity: Original Sin Enhanced Edition May	Nov 04 22:55
TweetTuxMachines	Actually Hit The Linux Release Next Month	Nov 04 22:55
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/9FJ0cuaBkv (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Nov 04 22:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Divinity: Original Sin Enhanced Edition May Actually Hit The Linux Release Next Month \| GamingOnLinux		Nov 04 22:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The best smartwatch for Android	Nov 04 22:57
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/pjJXn5kdJI (www.theverge.com)	Nov 04 22:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com \| The best smartwatch for Android \| The Verge		Nov 04 22:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Software Centre To Be Replaced in 16.04	Nov 04 22:58
TweetTuxMachines	LTS https://t.co/2Bzya5EdZw	Nov 04 22:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.omgubuntu.co.uk)	Nov 04 22:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.omgubuntu.co.uk \| Ubuntu Software Centre Is Bring DROPPED from Ubuntu 16.04		Nov 04 22:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines openSUSE 42.1 Leap Benchmarks	Nov 04 22:58
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/umuNNpBGQC (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 04 22:58
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| openSUSE 42.1 Leap Benchmarks - Phoronix		Nov 04 22:58
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/freedomgirl2011/status/662040787736248320	Nov 04 22:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@freedomgirl2011: Caught On Tape: U.S. Army Jeep Rear-Ends A Nuke~ https://t.co/ZJJJQKsJkr @SpecterNews @schestowitz @jncatron https://t.co/iGvGt7Sajr		Nov 04 22:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.zerohedge.com \| Caught On Tape: U.S. Army Jeep Rear-Ends A Nuke \| Zero Hedge		Nov 04 22:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JulieSheats: Caught On Tape: U.S. Army Jeep Rear-Ends A Nuke~ https://t.co/ltItSrxYMU https://t.co/5wifEwFZuo		Nov 04 22:59
XFaCE	schestowitz: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6907#1234	Nov 04 23:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-esr.ibiblio.org \| From kafkatrap to honeytrap		Nov 04 23:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wind blows Helix Cloud, Pulsar Linux, Rocket	Nov 04 23:22
TweetTuxMachines	RTOS toward IoT https://t.co/vGyp3Johqr	Nov 04 23:22
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Nov 04 23:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GALPon MiniNo Makes Kid-Friendly Lightweight	Nov 04 23:22
TweetTuxMachines	Linux https://t.co/PhMxlQZJQ7	Nov 04 23:22
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linuxinsider.com)	Nov 04 23:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxinsider.com \| GALPon MiniNo Makes Kid-Friendly Lightweight Linux \| Reviews \| LinuxInsider		Nov 04 23:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/pfAim1vVff	Nov 04 23:22
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 23:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ISG Cloud Comparison Index™: Cost of Public	Nov 04 23:28
TweetTuxMachines	Cloud Linux Highly Competitive with Internal IT	Nov 04 23:28
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/be5V0DDt8L (news.sys-con.com)	Nov 04 23:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.sys-con.com \| ISG Cloud Comparison Index™: Cost of Public Cloud Linux Highly Competitive with Internal IT \| news.sys-con.com		Nov 04 23:28
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/662054043737567233	Nov 04 23:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz "Barbarians led by Bill Gates".		Nov 04 23:54
schestowitz	i read the book	Nov 04 23:54
cubexyz	anything interesting in there?	Nov 04 23:58
schestowitz	hmmm..	Nov 05 00:16
schestowitz	some	Nov 05 00:16
schestowitz	I quoted some bits from there in techrights around 5 years ago	Nov 05 00:16
schestowitz	>>> "Brussels offers enthusiastic welcome to our triumphant and infallible	Nov 05 00:16
schestowitz	>>> >> Dear Leader".	Nov 05 00:16
schestowitz	>> >	Nov 05 00:16
schestowitz	>> > I just did an article about this.	Nov 05 00:16
schestowitz	>	Nov 05 00:16
schestowitz	> I saw it, that was fast. Great!	Nov 05 00:16
schestowitz	>	Nov 05 00:16
schestowitz	> Have a good night,	Nov 05 00:16
schestowitz	I shall address the longer E-mail separately. Need sleep now. 10 articles composed today...	Nov 05 00:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SteamOS Is Now Ready for Launch with Updates to	Nov 05 00:28
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Kernel 4.1 and New Drivers	Nov 05 00:28
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/iUBR5A9W7v (news.softpedia.com)	Nov 05 00:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| SteamOS Is Now Ready for Launch with Updates to Linux Kernel 4.1 and New Drivers - Softpedia		Nov 05 00:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CoreOS Debuts Tectonic, a Commercial Kubernetes	Nov 05 00:28
TweetTuxMachines	Distro https://t.co/1ogd1neKI2 (thenewstack.io)	Nov 05 00:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thenewstack.io \| CoreOS Debuts Tectonic, a Commercial Kubernetes Distro - The New Stack		Nov 05 00:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights https://t.co/I5iWeFVs4X	Nov 05 00:28
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 05 00:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Nov 05 00:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SteamOS Is Now Ready for Launch with Updates to	Nov 05 00:29
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Kernel 4.1 and New Drivers	Nov 05 00:29
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/FdlCIRmANa (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 05 00:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| SteamOS Is Now Ready for Launch with Updates to Linux Kernel 4.1 and New Drivers \| Tux Machines		Nov 05 00:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Koozali SME Server 8.2 Release Notes	Nov 05 00:29
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/0OfACNNh5S (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 05 00:29
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Koozali SME Server 8.2 Release Notes \| Tux Machines		Nov 05 00:30
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CoreOS Debuts Tectonic, a Commercial Kubernetes	Nov 05 00:30
TweetTuxMachines	Distro https://t.co/fyZC2MXzkZ	Nov 05 00:30
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.4 Getting Persistent Reservation API	Nov 05 00:48
TweetTuxMachines	For Block Devices https://t.co/MjqNNrvZce	Nov 05 00:48
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6781214	Nov 05 01:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Eric S. Raymond in a sexist site http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/11/04/feminists-are-trying-to-frame-linus-torvalds-for-sexual-assault-claims-open-source-industry-veteran/		Nov 05 01:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.breitbart.com \| Feminists Are Trying To Frame Linus Torvalds For Sexual Assault		Nov 05 01:42
schestowitz	"Not the only source that reported on this story."	Nov 05 01:42
MinceR	and so redcrap's offensive against Linus and the kernel begins...	Nov 05 01:44
MinceR	(not counting kdbus...)	Nov 05 01:44
schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3rienu/microsoft_gradually_embraces_extends_extinguishes/	Nov 05 01:49
schestowitz	"Nice that you have an opinion sir, but could you elaborate your point of view using arguments?"	Nov 05 01:49
schestowitz	"I think you mean Microsoft Linux."	Nov 05 01:49
schestowitz	"why would some one name a company microsoft - sounds like a joke"	Nov 05 01:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com \| Microsoft Gradually Embraces, Extends, Extinguishes Linux Foundation as a Foundation of GNU/Linux : linux [ http://ur1.ca/o8j2i ]		Nov 05 01:49
schestowitz	I wonder what would happen if Torvalds went on a rant against systemd of kdbus	Nov 05 01:50
schestowitz	Maybe he's be accused of physical violence (insult) against LP... oh dear..	Nov 05 01:50
schestowitz	https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/11/02/1549201	Nov 05 01:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/11/02/1549201 )		Nov 05 01:51
schestowitz	"It looks like Microsoft hasn't reformed as some would like to think, but has moved its embrace, extend, extinguish policy to the mobile platform. In this article from techrights.org , we see a company (responsible for Mono) with strong MS connections take over an open source project and close it."	Nov 05 01:51
schestowitz	"	Nov 05 01:52
schestowitz	It looks like Microsoft hasn't reformed as some would like to think	Nov 05 01:52
schestowitz	Umm, who would like to think that, when everything we know about Windows 10 suggests they're as evil as ever?	Nov 05 01:52
schestowitz	What's changed is not that Microsoft has become a Good Guy, but that those companies that might have been Good Guys in the past no longer are:	Nov 05 01:52
schestowitz	- Google: Wants a nice take via Google Play every time somebody adds an app to their phone. Wants to monitor as much as they possibly can about everybody's activities on the Internet.	Nov 05 01:52
schestowitz	- Apple: Also gets a nice percentage of app sales, and intentionally builds walled gardens where you have to pay them to put something in it.	Nov 05 01:52
schestowitz	- Red Hat: Has been pushing a plan to do $DEITY-knows-what to Linux using the ever-expanding thingamajig called "systemd".	Nov 05 01:52
schestowitz	"	Nov 05 01:52
schestowitz	Android allows side-loading. This complain does apply to Apple though. The other complain about Google is accurate of course. Don't forget Apple's eschewing of standards to enhance the lock-in goodness.	Nov 05 01:52
schestowitz	Sadly, the systemd thing is what scares me the most in this list.	Nov 05 01:52
schestowitz	"	Nov 05 01:52
MinceR	what changed is that humans stand ever more openly against freedom and all that is good	Nov 05 01:52
schestowitz	"	Nov 05 01:52
schestowitz	That first complaint doesn't even fully apply to Apple anymore either. Since June Apple developer accounts capable of loading apps onto personal iOS devices have been free.	Nov 05 01:52
schestowitz	So although you can't just sideload pre-built iOS apps like Android, if the app author provides the source you can compile and load it yourself.	Nov 05 01:52
schestowitz	The big caveats of course is that you need a recent Mac to run Xcode, and the app you want must provide have its source code available. But in principle requiring the user to compile the OSS app themselves is more secure than Android sideloading: the user must be more technically knowledgable, and they have the option to check the source code for security/privacy issues.	Nov 05 01:53
schestowitz	"	Nov 05 01:53
schestowitz	"	Nov 05 01:53
schestowitz	I never called what Apple now allows users to do "sideloading". The only times I used that word were when I said "although you can't just sideload pre-built iOS apps like Android" and that it "is more secure than Android sideloading".	Nov 05 01:53
schestowitz	And, if WillR's comment [soylentnews.org] is accurate, Google is trying hard to make Thelaxon's comment ("Google: Wants a nice take via Google Play every time somebody adds an app to their phone") more true... which was the very point you were trying to refute.	Nov 05 01:53
schestowitz	And since you want to argue definition, sideloading is exactly what's going on anyway: "process of transferring data between two local devices, in particular between a computer and a mobile device" [wikipedia.org]. Just because Android users started using it in a specific (and technically inaccurate!) context, doesn't make the term theirs exclusively.	Nov 05 01:53
schestowitz	So no, Apple isn't allowing Android app-like sideloading. But it is now allowing sideloading (by definition!) of unapproved 3rd party software, for free.	Nov 05 01:53
schestowitz	"	Nov 05 01:53
schestowitz	"AOSP Android allows easy side-loading, but Google Android tries very hard to make sure it doesn't work. If your phone doesn't have the Google services installed and logged in to a Google account, an app side-loaded from the Google Android world is probably going to crash immediately. If it does have all that stuff, there's not much point side-loading when you can just... download."	Nov 05 01:53
schestowitz	"	Nov 05 01:54
schestowitz	RedHat does not deserve to be on this list. Everything they do is open-source and GPL, to a fault; new installs of Fedora need external repos for even multimedia codecs and freetype rendered fonts. RedHat has developed almost everything we have come to associate with a FOSS desktop, from GTK+ to NetworkManager to PulseAudio to one out of every six lines in the Linux kernel. RedHat became a billion dollar company, and they did it without	Nov 05 01:54
schestowitz	offshoring their cash (based in RTP), without selling your personal data, and while managing to release the source code to their work.	Nov 05 01:54
schestowitz	You have an issue with systemd, but your issue lies with your downstream distribution, not with RedHat. RedHat hasn't coerced anybody into accepting its initial system. In fact, SystemD has shown which distributions are the real creators, and exposed the fraudulent distros that just repackage and re-skin the work of others. OpenBSD, for example, is moving right along with the latest Gnome, working perfectly, and without systemd, because they	Nov 05 01:54
schestowitz	have competent package maintainers. Your hatred or fear of RedHat is misdirected.	Nov 05 01:54
schestowitz	"You're really stretching the definition of side-loading to fit what Apple allows."	Nov 05 01:54
MinceR	interesting how they carefully avoid saying that what redcrap does is free software	Nov 05 01:55
MinceR	as it really isn't	Nov 05 01:55
schestowitz	yeah	Nov 05 01:55
schestowitz	it's not	Nov 05 01:55
schestowitz	I'm led down big time	Nov 05 01:55
schestowitz	another article tomorrow	Nov 05 01:55
schestowitz	about this..	Nov 05 01:55
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cubexyz	right, give openbsd a try :)	Nov 05 02:28
schestowitz	bsd licence ain't for me...	Nov 05 02:32
schestowitz	and I had bad experiences with bsd on the server	Nov 05 02:32
MinceR	i will give openbsd a try, once i get a new laptop	Nov 05 02:32
MinceR	also netbsd	Nov 05 02:32
MinceR	the main VM will probably remain gnu/linux until bedrock (or something like it) starts supporting *bsd, though :>	Nov 05 02:33
cubexyz	I'm not saying don't use Linux	Nov 05 02:33
cubexyz	I'm merely saying you can use both BSD and Linux	Nov 05 02:34
MinceR	that's my plan :)	Nov 05 02:34
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Epic Games Announces Paragon Game	Nov 05 03:01
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Epic Games Announces Paragon Game - Phoronix		Nov 05 03:01
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Enlightenment E20 Wayland Support Continues To	Nov 05 03:02
TweetTuxMachines	Advance	Nov 05 03:02
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/V2ODKTNMek (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 05 03:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Enlightenment E20 Wayland Support Continues To Advance - Phoronix		Nov 05 03:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: KDE https://t.co/lYXuqExApH	Nov 05 03:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: KDE \| Tux Machines		Nov 05 03:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is Google spinning a merged Chrome/Android OS	Nov 05 03:02
TweetTuxMachines	for laptops? https://t.co/1wbN3wDTKK	Nov 05 03:02
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Is Google spinning a merged Chrome/Android OS for laptops? \| Tux Machines		Nov 05 03:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DAQ SBC runs Linux on Zynq, offers FMC	Nov 05 03:02
TweetTuxMachines	expansion https://t.co/hlSApX9u1G	Nov 05 03:02
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msb_	MinceR: "<MinceR> what changed is that humans stand ever more openly against freedom and all that is good" That is not true at all. The efforts of Bernie Sanders, Jeremy Corbyn, Pope Francis, the grateful acceptance of Russia's fight against ISIL, the numerous accurate Net news sites, and the fact that many millions of people are watching RT, all indicate that people _do_ want freedom and good, and are becoming ever more aware of what	Nov 05 03:27
msb_	s going on.	Nov 05 03:27
msb_	Also the Liberal victory in Canada.	Nov 05 03:28
cubexyz	I'd say the average Joe doesn't want to be shafted by corporations	Nov 05 03:31
msb_	"[OpenSuse] always sucked" Absolutely not. Before it adopted systemd, OpenSuse was very well designed and well administered. Instant help is always available in IRC. A free build system is available for users to build packages and add them to a repo. Suse still offers KDE3, or at least did in the last version. Novell's deal with MS had nothing to do with the quality of the distro itself or the work of its maintainers.	Nov 05 03:35
msb_	I've used Suse for 15 years and it's always been good.	Nov 05 03:35
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MinceR	not if you asked him that way	Nov 05 03:36
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MinceR	also, i didn't know msb_ liked .net/mono	Nov 05 03:37
MinceR	after all, that's what *suse/novell was pushing before systemd	Nov 05 03:37
cubexyz	is mono still being developed?	Nov 05 03:38
msb_	I have never used .net/mono.	Nov 05 03:38
cubexyz	ok, yes, they had another release 2 months ago	Nov 05 03:39
MinceR	also, it's interesting how a marxist pope is enough to make msb_ love abrahamic religion	Nov 05 03:39
msb_	MinceR: "not if you asked him that way" Asked who what?	Nov 05 03:40
MinceR	msb_: 043140 < cubexyz> I'd say the average Joe doesn't want to be shafted by corporations	Nov 05 03:40
cubexyz	heck, I'm still looking for a PVR that doesn't encrypt	Nov 05 03:40
MinceR	"i don't want to be shafted by corporations!" then immediately goes on to vote for a corporate party and by a hypePhone	Nov 05 03:42
cubexyz	hard to avoid	Nov 05 03:43
msb_	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME! "a marxist pope is enough to make msb_ love abrahamic religion" That is a LIE. I like what Francis is saying about some social/economic issues, NOT the religion.	Nov 05 03:43
MinceR	and you immediately forgive the International Pedophile Party all their crimes	Nov 05 03:43
MinceR	and don't get me started on the rest of msb_'s bullshit	Nov 05 03:43
msb_	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME! I do not forgive any pedophiles.	Nov 05 03:44
MinceR	once humanity gets what they're fighting for, they'll die out	Nov 05 03:44
msb_	Also Iceland has jailed its criminal banksters, and Syria and Greece are opposing debt slavery.	Nov 05 03:48
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msb_	As to marxism, some form of democratic socialism, e.g., worker-owned companies, a huge tax on wealth, etc., NOT classical Marxism with its "vanguard party", is necessary to repair the enormous maldistribution of wealth and power in capitalism.	Nov 05 04:00
msb_	Also, as technology more and more replaces human labor, it's necessary to deal with the resulting reduction in the number of jobs. Job sharing, a very short work week, etc., all with no reduction in pay.	Nov 05 04:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNU Guile 2.1.1 released [beta]	Nov 05 04:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GNU Guile 2.1.1 released [beta] \| Tux Machines		Nov 05 04:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23 KDE screenshots	Nov 05 04:15
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/4sarnpWb55 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 05 04:15
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Fedora 23 KDE screenshots \| Tux Machines		Nov 05 04:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Many 64-bit ARM Changes Coming To Linux 4.4	Nov 05 04:16
TweetTuxMachines	Kernel https://t.co/oSpcbGSAhk	Nov 05 04:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Will Try To Be Python-3-Only,	Nov 05 09:19
TweetTuxMachines	No Python 2 By Default https://t.co/BvRdxUaFFu	Nov 05 09:19
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 05 09:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Will Try To Be Python-3-Only, No Python 2 By Default \| Tux Machines		Nov 05 09:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is Google spinning a merged Chrome/Android OS	Nov 05 09:19
TweetTuxMachines	for laptops? https://t.co/ADCkDyL8sG	Nov 05 09:19
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Nov 05 09:19
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Is Google spinning a merged Chrome/Android OS for laptops? · LinuxGizmos.com		Nov 05 09:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DAQ SBC runs Linux on Zynq, offers FMC	Nov 05 09:26
TweetTuxMachines	expansion https://t.co/HGgFqczIOF	Nov 05 09:26
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Nov 05 09:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| DAQ SBC runs Linux on Zynq, offers FMC expansion · LinuxGizmos.com		Nov 05 09:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23 KDE screenshots	Nov 05 09:26
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/jv3jKMszRa (linuxbsdos.com)	Nov 05 09:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxbsdos.com \| Fedora 23 KDE screenshots \| LinuxBSDos.com		Nov 05 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Many 64-bit ARM Changes Coming To Linux 4.4	Nov 05 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	Kernel https://t.co/Wf96CkkXty	Nov 05 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Nov 05 09:27
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Many 64-bit ARM Changes Coming To Linux 4.4 Kernel - Phoronix		Nov 05 09:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Will Try To Be Python-3-Only,	Nov 05 09:41
TweetTuxMachines	No Python 2 By Default https://t.co/j7MtoncUOT	Nov 05 09:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Nov 05 09:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Will Try To Be Python-3-Only, No Python 2 By Default - Phoronix		Nov 05 09:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines https://t.co/zkAKnJn8tg (www.itworld.com)	Nov 05 09:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itworld.com \| Are feminists targeting Linus Torvalds for sexual assault charges? \| ITworld		Nov 05 09:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Kernel 4.3 is Released After a Blurt	Nov 05 09:41
TweetTuxMachines	Message from Creator https://t.co/ToZxDtVqGw	Nov 05 09:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.vcpost.com) https://t.co/VBpBT7S7WU	Nov 05 09:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.techworm.net) still 'the' story	Nov 05 09:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vcpost.com \| Linux Kernel 4.3 is Released After a Blurt Message from Creator : Regions : Venture Capital Post		Nov 05 09:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8kqd	Nov 05 09:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 16.04 LTS to Drop Ubuntu Software Center	Nov 05 09:56
TweetTuxMachines	for GNOME Software https://t.co/bCyYTVj2tS	Nov 05 09:56
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Nov 05 09:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu 16.04 LTS to Drop Ubuntu Software Center for GNOME Software - Softpedia		Nov 05 09:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Xiaomi Will Start Selling Two Linux Laptops In	Nov 05 09:56
TweetTuxMachines	2016 https://t.co/jXjDbKSGIu (hacked.news)	Nov 05 09:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hacked.news \| Xiaomi Will Start Selling Two Linux Laptops In 2016 • Hacked News		Nov 05 09:56
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/662206260113113088	Nov 05 09:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: It's taking too fucking long for this to happen https://t.co/F5nmMVH3Jv		Nov 05 09:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Will Try To Be Python-3-Only, No #Python 2 By Default https://t.co/Sdkjp5dFKV #gnu #linux		Nov 05 09:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Vinux 5.0 released	Nov 05 09:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/WrTfMFG0ml (groups.google.com)	Nov 05 09:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-groups.google.com \| Google Groups		Nov 05 09:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora Developer Portal Officially Opens	Nov 05 10:07
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/11BzXeCDyt (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 05 10:07
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Fedora Developer Portal Officially Opens - Phoronix		Nov 05 10:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines XQt 0.10 Released!	Nov 05 10:07
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/MJo8wRVimt (lxqt.org)	Nov 05 10:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines AMD Already Has AMDGPU DRM Fixes Queued Up For	Nov 05 10:07
TweetTuxMachines	Linux 4.4 https://t.co/TQbFiGVM4j	Nov 05 10:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Nov 05 10:07
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| AMD Already Has AMDGPU DRM Fixes Queued Up For Linux 4.4 - Phoronix		Nov 05 10:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Call for new Plasma wallpapers contribution	Nov 05 10:28
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/eSEqWn18mo	Nov 05 10:28
TweetTuxMachines	(kdeonlinux.wordpress.com)	Nov 05 10:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-kdeonlinux.wordpress.com \| Call for new Plasma wallpapers contribution \| KDE and LINUX		Nov 05 10:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "I hope to see distributions to pick up the	Nov 05 10:28
TweetTuxMachines	work and provide a Plasma phone spin."	Nov 05 10:28
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/3jmusASOsz	Nov 05 10:28
TweetTuxMachines	(blog.martin-graesslin.com)	Nov 05 10:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.martin-graesslin.com \| Upgrading libhybris \| Martin's Blog		Nov 05 10:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Desktop	Nov 05 10:29
TweetTuxMachines	Screenshots Tour	Nov 05 10:29
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/SIn9wdWvjC (www.ubuntugeek.com)	Nov 05 10:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8kx3	Nov 05 10:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ubuntugeek.com \| Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) Desktop Screenshots Tour \| Ubuntu Geek		Nov 05 10:29
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6782115	Nov 05 10:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Why an iPhone user switched to Android after six years http://www.itworld.com/article/3000803/android/why-a-user-switched-to-android-after-six-years-of-iphones.html		Nov 05 10:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.itworld.com \| Why an iPhone user switched to Android after six years \| ITworld		Nov 05 10:40
schestowitz	"https://blog.lookout.com/blog/2015/11/04/trojanized-adware/ "	Nov 05 10:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.lookout.com \| Lookout discovers new trojanized adware; 20K popular apps caught in the crossfire \| Lookout Blog		Nov 05 10:40
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6782115	Nov 05 10:43
schestowitz	""Why, Roy?"	Nov 05 10:43
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schestowitz	"	Nov 05 10:52
schestowitz	A comment referring to your recent article:	Nov 05 10:52
schestowitz	"More European Politicians Take on the EPO for Ignoring the Rule of Law"	Nov 05 10:52
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2015/11/03/eu-politicians-vs-epo-again/	Nov 05 10:52
schestowitz	'	Nov 05 10:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| More European Politicians Take on the EPO for Ignoring the Rule of Law \| Techrights		Nov 05 10:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why an iPhone user switched to Android after	Nov 05 10:55
TweetTuxMachines	six years https://t.co/daGN3L1OkN	Nov 05 10:55
TweetTuxMachines	(www.itworld.com)	Nov 05 10:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Grow Home From Ubisoft Looks Like It Will Come	Nov 05 10:55
TweetTuxMachines	To Linux https://t.co/eEf5oJX0CE	Nov 05 10:55
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Nov 05 10:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8l1r	Nov 05 10:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Grow Home From Ubisoft Looks Like It Will Come To Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Nov 05 10:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/I3rPMOvmlI	Nov 05 10:56
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 05 10:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8l1s	Nov 05 10:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Nov 05 10:56
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6781074	Nov 05 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #redhat site still throws around a meaningless (or ambiguous) buzzword to bamboozle the non-technical target audience https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2015/10/you-ve-gone-devops-what-about-your-systems-integrator		Nov 05 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> enterprisersproject.com \| You’ve gone DevOps, but what about your systems integrator? \| The Enterprisers Project		Nov 05 11:06
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6781160	Nov 05 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Software patents have also been a sticking point. Red Hat..no indication whether this extends to partner ecosystems" http://www.infoworld.com/article/3001554/open-source-tools/red-hat-and-microsoft-cozy-up-in-the-azure-cloud.html		Nov 05 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.infoworld.com \| Red Hat and Microsoft cozy up in the Azure cloud \| InfoWorld		Nov 05 11:06
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6780135	Nov 05 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: In #microsoft #azure #redhat #rhel has back doors and built-in file-by-file #surveillance so #security not applicable https://securityblog.redhat.com/2015/11/04/risk-report-update-april-to-october-2015/		Nov 05 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://securityblog.redhat.com/2015/11/04/risk-report-update-april-to-october-2015/ )		Nov 05 11:06
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6780623	Nov 05 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The Latest Propaganda From Benoît #Battistelli is Promotion of the Unitary Patent (UPC) at Political Levels http://techrights.org/2015/11/04/battistelli-politician-or-lobbyist/ #epo #upc		Nov 05 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| The Latest Propaganda From Benoît Battistelli is Promotion of the Unitary Patent (UPC) at Political Levels \| Techrights		Nov 05 11:07
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/662228185862533120	Nov 05 11:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz Is it?		Nov 05 11:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open Source Initiative launches free webinar	Nov 05 11:37
TweetTuxMachines	series https://t.co/kaku4zAne3	Nov 05 11:37
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 05 11:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8l61	Nov 05 11:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Open Source Initiative launches free webinar series \| Tux Machines		Nov 05 11:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/NqUdRVeo6j	Nov 05 11:37
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 05 11:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8l62	Nov 05 11:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Nov 05 11:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Move over FireFox OS and BlackBerry, Tizen is	Nov 05 11:37
TweetTuxMachines	now the Fourth Largest Smartphone OS in Q3 2015	Nov 05 11:37
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/0dvdjhHnTS (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 05 11:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8l63	Nov 05 11:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Move over FireFox OS and BlackBerry, Tizen is now the Fourth Largest Smartphone OS in Q3 2015 \| Tux Machines		Nov 05 11:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Firefox 42 Arrives in All Supported Ubuntu OSes	Nov 05 11:38
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Tx9dqch6Pc (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 05 11:38
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8l64	Nov 05 11:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Firefox 42 Arrives in All Supported Ubuntu OSes \| Tux Machines		Nov 05 11:38
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6777516	Nov 05 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: After bombing the * out of #libya we'll pretend to teach them #democracy http://www.ibtimes.com/us-consulting-firm-builds-open-source-mobile-voter-registration-system-libya-2167475 http://wraltechwire.com/durham-based-development-firm-caktus-group-open-sources-voter-registration-software/15057853/ #openwashing		Nov 05 12:14
schestowitz	"@Infirit the only thing I see at the link you provided is a lot of controversy about e-voting in the spirited discussion below the video. In that respect, your “BAD idea” summary is extremely presumptuous."	Nov 05 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.ibtimes.com \| US Consulting Firm Builds Open Source Mobile Voter Registration System For Libya		Nov 05 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> wraltechwire.com \| Durham-based development firm Caktus Group open sources voter registration software :: Editor's Blog at WRAL TechWire		Nov 05 12:14
schestowitz	"Any system that is not anonymous and not on paper is a BAD idea."	Nov 05 12:14
schestowitz	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI	Nov 05 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Why Electronic Voting is a BAD Idea - Computerphile - YouTube		Nov 05 12:14
schestowitz	"Please, please, no more world saving from the USA!"	Nov 05 12:14
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6782025	Nov 05 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #US Presidential Candidate Jill Stein: I Want to Be President to Save the World http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/Jill-Stein-I-Want-to-Be-US-President-to-Save-the-World-20151103-0019.html		Nov 05 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.telesurtv.net \| Jill Stein: I Want to Be US President to Save the World \| Opinion \| teleSUR English		Nov 05 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines More Information Emerges About the	Nov 05 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	Microsoft-Red Hat Patent Agreement	Nov 05 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/lXWMuRfLxI (techrights.org)	Nov 05 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8lk5	Nov 05 13:55
*TweetTuxMachines @FadiSemaan followed @tuxmachines		Nov 05 13:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| More Information Emerges About the Microsoft-Red Hat Patent Agreement \| Techrights		Nov 05 13:55
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MinceR	zoobab_: ping	Nov 05 15:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 16.04 LTS with Unity 7 to Support Snappy	Nov 05 16:14
TweetTuxMachines	Packages https://t.co/dicb0XUM8h	Nov 05 16:14
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 05 16:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8lzo	Nov 05 16:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu 16.04 LTS with Unity 7 to Support Snappy Packages \| Tux Machines		Nov 05 16:14
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schestowitz	zoobab_: ping	Nov 05 18:29
schestowitz	zoobab_: thanks for the message, so much has been happening in EU regarding patents	Nov 05 18:29
MinceR	http://edition.cnn.com/2015/09/30/us/kim-davis-pope/index.html	Nov 05 18:33
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/drtocqueville/status/662274652669104129	Nov 05 18:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-edition.cnn.com \| Kim Davis met with Pope Francis - CNN.com [ http://ur1.ca/o8mok ]		Nov 05 18:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@drtocqueville: @schestowitz Why are #Brits so hungry for #Privacy #rape Are they going to loose another #colony? #data 12 #months https://t.co/CiF05Eiul9		Nov 05 18:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bbc.com \| Details of UK website visits 'to be stored for year' - BBC News		Nov 05 18:33
schestowitz	zoobab_: I read your feed every day	Nov 05 18:33
schestowitz	not been much there recently	Nov 05 18:33
MinceR	just something about a particular marxist a local marxist loves very much	Nov 05 18:33
schestowitz	I've come to depend on you for updates regarding Europe, since the Digital Minority days and beforehand, so please keep it up	Nov 05 18:34
schestowitz	we might need mirroring of articles in the future	Nov 05 18:34
schestowitz	because of takedown threats (when they happen, it helps to deter against these)	Nov 05 18:34
schestowitz	MinceR: I didn't know who Kim Davis is	Nov 05 18:35
schestowitz	based on the headline, it might be some big name , which would make me feel dumb	Nov 05 18:35
schestowitz	Anyway, Franic is just a stooge	Nov 05 18:35
MinceR	the fascist christian fundamentalist bitch who's a public official but refuses to do her job	Nov 05 18:36
schestowitz	some harmful things, some benign, like talks about global warming	Nov 05 18:36
MinceR	when it comes to issuing marriage licenses to homosexual couples	Nov 05 18:36
schestowitz	Catholic Conservatives are harmed by this, they can't deny global warming with impunity	Nov 05 18:36
MinceR	frank just tries to put a nicer face on an ancient evil cult that's just as evil as ever	Nov 05 18:36
schestowitz	yeah	Nov 05 18:36
MinceR	they'd assert themselves more heavily if they still had the power they used to have	Nov 05 18:36
schestowitz	after they had a pedo scandal	Nov 05 18:36
MinceR	and the way things are going, they will	Nov 05 18:36
schestowitz	and mr hitler youth had to step down for PR	Nov 05 18:37
schestowitz	MinceR: they have a big market share	Nov 05 18:37
MinceR	yeah	Nov 05 18:37
schestowitz	where europeans occupied populations	Nov 05 18:37
schestowitz	mostly south america, some islands in asia, and parts of africa	Nov 05 18:37
schestowitz	that's where the raving "fans" are	Nov 05 18:37
MinceR	and their favorite virus, HIV	Nov 05 18:38
schestowitz	that's also where they make lots of babies and kill over religious issues, take things to the extreme sometimes	Nov 05 18:38
schestowitz	and are anti contraception, anti-homosexuals, etc.	Nov 05 18:38
schestowitz	but anyway, this is a technical channel	Nov 05 18:38
schestowitz	let's not go into it	Nov 05 18:38
schestowitz	the article you posted is too old for including in daily links	Nov 05 18:39
schestowitz	(i would have otherwise	Nov 05 18:39
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schestowitz	> http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/03/gates-foundation-without-bill-philanthropic	Nov 05 18:51
schestowitz	I think you forgot the "X". this is a terrible puff pieces from a paper that Gates PAYS.	Nov 05 18:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| Would the Gates Foundation do more good without Bill? \| Linsey McGoey \| Comment is free \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/o8ms4 ]		Nov 05 18:51
cubexyz	would the world do better without Bill? :)	Nov 05 18:51
MinceR	certainly	Nov 05 18:53
MinceR	even better without all the people like him	Nov 05 18:53
MinceR	also wouldn't be so hellishly overcrowded	Nov 05 18:53
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/662342060888883200	Nov 05 18:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Bill Gates, SOCIALIST, https://t.co/eGNxNX1nqG admits he INVENTED nothing & relied on US gov. deals for survival of Microsoft.		Nov 05 18:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theatlantic.com \| An Interview with Bill Gates on the Future of Energy - The Atlantic		Nov 05 18:59
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/662342635227496448	Nov 05 18:59
MinceR	other "socialists" did the same	Nov 05 18:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz ~2003 at coffee shop, met supplier to Navy: & alarmed to learn he sold them Windows (known 2 B full of holes) @SwiftOnSecurity		Nov 05 18:59
schestowitz	like oligarchs close to USSR Power circles, Gates has connections through his parents	Nov 05 19:00
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/662343425405005824	Nov 05 19:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz In 2000, at Savoy, London, had tea beside chief Microsoft marketers 4 UK: Noted how aloof they were, in a SOFT world their own.		Nov 05 19:01
cubexyz	I blame educators for why things got so bad with Microsoft	Nov 05 19:01
cubexyz	at least partially	Nov 05 19:01
cubexyz	it's true that Microsoft weaseled it's way into schools but the educators and administrators let it happen	Nov 05 19:02
schestowitz	yeah, marketing lobbying and bribes	Nov 05 19:02
abeNd-org	per edu that sounds more like apple in the school districts ive worked at	Nov 05 19:07
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/662344773705969665	Nov 05 19:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: Pierre Jovanovic (Fr.journo) told me ~1990 interviewed Bill & confronted him w/report his Mother did inside-deal IBM https://t.co/InVH83gvOr		Nov 05 19:07
schestowitz	wow	Nov 05 19:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: .@FrancisJeffrey7 like oligarchs close to USSR Power circles, Gates has connections through his parents		Nov 05 19:07
cubexyz	yes in the United States Apple II was in a lot of schools	Nov 05 19:07
abeNd-org	they are always willing to pour tons of taxpayer money into the latest ipads even after students continue to steal them, always buying bigger screen imacs, etc	Nov 05 19:08
cubexyz	and the weak willed OEMs	Nov 05 19:10
cubexyz	I can't count on Dell very much	Nov 05 19:11
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/662347639623577600	Nov 05 19:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Google search: Inquiry into the Existence of Guardian Angels, & francis jeffrey & acknowledgements (~dates our communications)		Nov 05 19:17
cubexyz	AT&T actually did make a nice Unix computer early on that was sort of affordable	Nov 05 19:18
cubexyz	the AT&T 3B1 with an MFM hard drive, for about $4k	Nov 05 19:18
cubexyz	released in 1984... a real collectors piece now	Nov 05 19:19
cubexyz	it was an 'affordable' Unix box at least compared to the PDP-11s	Nov 05 19:19
cubexyz	and of course there was Atari ST, Amiga, etc	Nov 05 19:20
cubexyz	Amiga even made a Unix System V box called the Amiga 3000UX	Nov 05 19:20
cubexyz	that was first released back in 1990	Nov 05 19:22
cubexyz	and technically one could have walked into a Radio Shack in 1985 and bought a TRS-890 Model 16 for $4699 to run Xenix	Nov 05 19:23
cubexyz	so in some ways, our current situation is a regression for Unix based computers	Nov 05 19:23
cubexyz	in the hobbyist world, *nix is doing fine... in the OEM world it's stalled	Nov 05 19:24
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schestowitz	> ? http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6907	Nov 05 19:24
schestowitz	I don't want to entertain this agenda anymore. Waste of resources...	Nov 05 19:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-esr.ibiblio.org \| From kafkatrap to honeytrap		Nov 05 19:24
cubexyz	I'll stick to technical subjects :)	Nov 05 19:26
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/662350101986172928	Nov 05 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: When it comes to #copyright, even VPN isn't safe. https://t.co/rkTZZ50MML		Nov 05 19:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #MPAA Can Access #PopcornTime Services & VPN, Court Rules https://t.co/BFzPCNwaqE the moment you realise #copyright giants run the system		Nov 05 19:26
schestowitz	Because terrorism?	Nov 05 19:26
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cubexyz	switching to modern mode here is what Los Alamos Computers is selling for Linux computers:	Nov 05 19:30
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/662350669886582784	Nov 05 19:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz Because money. Because capitalism. (Which is what calls to arms over terrorism were to start with)		Nov 05 19:30
cubexyz	http://laclinux.com/en/Start	Nov 05 19:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-laclinux.com \| Los Alamos Computers: High-Performance Linux Computing		Nov 05 19:30
cubexyz	the local brick and mortar computer stores are pretty bad so assembling your own box is probably still the best route for desktop	Nov 05 19:34
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/tekcurmudgeon/status/662352664496214016	Nov 05 19:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tekcurmudgeon: @schestowitz ...and they're about to get E-E-E'd by Microsoft!		Nov 05 19:37
schestowitz	(red Hat)	Nov 05 19:37
cubexyz	wow, I hope not	Nov 05 19:43
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6782025	Nov 05 19:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #US Presidential Candidate Jill Stein: I Want to Be President to Save the World http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/Jill-Stein-I-Want-to-Be-US-President-to-Save-the-World-20151103-0019.html		Nov 05 19:49
schestowitz	"I support the motion.'	Nov 05 19:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.telesurtv.net \| Jill Stein: I Want to Be US President to Save the World \| Opinion \| teleSUR English [ http://ur1.ca/o8n2t ]		Nov 05 19:49
schestowitz	I think Stein wants to help the world in the climate sense...	Nov 05 19:49
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6783591	Nov 05 19:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #theGuardian which took money (arguably bribe) from #billgates for puff pieces is still at it http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/03/gates-foundation-without-bill-philanthropic http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique		Nov 05 19:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com \| Would the Gates Foundation do more good without Bill? \| Linsey McGoey \| Comment is free \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/o8ms4 ]		Nov 05 19:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/1e8bh ]		Nov 05 19:50
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6783601	Nov 05 19:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Everything you can do with an iPhone was government-funded. ... all of these things were funded by Uncle Sam ..." http://www.salon.com/2015/11/04/5_things_that_wouldnt_be_happening_if_america_were_a_functioning_democracy_partner/		Nov 05 19:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.salon.com \| 5 things that wouldn’t be happening if America were a functioning democracy - Salon.com [ http://ur1.ca/o8n31 ]		Nov 05 19:50
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/musevg/status/662359385260335104	Nov 05 20:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@musevg: @schestowitz It's not that difficult: Fedora is more fashionable… and has far shorter release cycles. So you see your work in action sooner		Nov 05 20:07
schestowitz	Debian has derivatives that have 6-month releases as well	Nov 05 20:08
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/662362001444700160	Nov 05 20:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Will Mr. Bill make as big a mess of Climate as he did of software? $ TALKS https://t.co/eGNxNX1nqG https://t.co/xaWBnkutYl		Nov 05 20:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theatlantic.com \| An Interview with Bill Gates on the Future of Energy - The Atlantic		Nov 05 20:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.breitbart.com \| Bill Gates: Only Socialism Can Save Us From Climate Change		Nov 05 20:14
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/662364603796447232	Nov 05 20:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: How the World's s/w & networks got to be how we find them today: https://t.co/AsJmXpJzoe https://t.co/MhEPUUsbGz https://t.co/1wRAiYELM6		Nov 05 20:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cryptostorm_is: This is the single the best summation of 20 years of internet privacy & security progress we've read in... forever: https://t.co/65NfYSCaL6		Nov 05 20:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights		Nov 05 20:28
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XRevan86	http://mate-desktop.org/blog/2015-11-05-mate-1-12-released	Nov 05 20:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mate-desktop.org \| MATE 1.12 released \| MATE [ http://ur1.ca/o8ncs ]		Nov 05 20:38
XRevan86	MinceR: You're not against MATE, are you?	Nov 05 20:38
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/662366392763609089	Nov 05 20:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz well he talks about disruption and innovative technology, but this is not what RHEL is about: outdated software.		Nov 05 20:39
XRevan86	(it originates from code made by Mono founder and current OS X used – Miguel de Icaza)	Nov 05 20:39
schestowitz	XRevan86: thanks for the headsup	Nov 05 20:39
schestowitz	XRevan86: mate isn't any more troublesome than gnome itself	Nov 05 20:40
XRevan86	schestowitz: I was just being petty.	Nov 05 20:40
XRevan86	I use and like MATE.	Nov 05 20:41
cubexyz	Unix traditionalists are rare :)	Nov 05 20:43
XRevan86	… and maintain, so I'll soon be very busy :)	Nov 05 20:45
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/auxesis/status/662230288441847809	Nov 05 21:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@auxesis: When I stop paying attention to how config management is running on my servers https://t.co/mULUakdQIz		Nov 05 21:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@auxesis: When I stop paying attention to how config management is running on my servers https://t.co/mULUakdQIz		Nov 05 21:03
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/haniefhaider/status/662389736615579648	Nov 05 22:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@haniefhaider: @schestowitz Eliyahu Goldratt 'The Goal' fashionable among a certain generation of managers here in Cape Town.Ram Charan Bossidy Christensen		Nov 05 22:09
MinceR	XRevan86: i don't particularly care either way	Nov 05 22:20
MinceR	it's a gnome2 fork so it can't be too good	Nov 05 22:20
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/wowbagger999/status/662396878923964416 https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/662397067281715201	Nov 05 22:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wowbagger999: @glynmoody @schestowitz #TTIP #TPP & Co seem infected with some kind of #ACTA bachdoor. We should delete them and reboot our systems!		Nov 05 22:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @wowbagger999 @schestowitz more than that: some of the text has probably been copied and pasted - it was in CETA		Nov 05 22:44
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6784111	Nov 05 23:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The @LinuxFoundation throws its weight behind open APIs http://www.infoworld.com/article/3001227/apis/linux-foundation-throws-weight-behind-open-apis.html #linux		Nov 05 23:09
schestowitz	"Open API is very importante!'	Nov 05 23:09
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6784204	Nov 05 23:10
schestowitz	"Mepis Antix my favourite distro for Old machines"	Nov 05 23:10
schestowitz	"Tried it a few times and installed it on my mother in laws PC. It was nice enough but I was never a KDE fan. Mepis seemed to miss its target a bit which is unfortunate, it seemed like it was going to take the torch from Mandrake, but then Ubuntu took on that role and Mepis was left out in the cold."	Nov 05 23:10
schestowitz	Seems so	Nov 05 23:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Not a Diaspora post?		Nov 05 23:10
cubexyz	for very old use BL3	Nov 05 23:23
cubexyz	for kind of old alpine or vector, but there's lots of choices	Nov 05 23:24
cubexyz	AntiX is good too	Nov 05 23:33
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/662395285948276736	Nov 05 23:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #Drawpile 1.0.2 Has Been Released https://t.co/e3WlNJJM1H #freesw		Nov 05 23:47
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/662415918316789760	Nov 05 23:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Embedding QML: Why, Where, and How https://t.co/h9tYzgxedG #kde #qt #freesw #kdab		Nov 05 23:47
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schestowitz	So quietly I've just reached 3,500 followers in Twitter (similar number in Diaspora), without cheating or buying 'followers' (as some do)	Nov 05 23:48
XFaCE	schestowitz: including the amazing athiest	Nov 05 23:51
XFaCE	*atheist	Nov 05 23:51
XFaCE	schestowitz: how did you manage to get TJ sub'd to you? :P	Nov 05 23:51
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schestowitz	he sometimes retweets me	Nov 06 01:03
schestowitz	I like his channel too, but haven't watched it in years (used to regularly)	Nov 06 01:04
schestowitz	Also TJDoesLife	Nov 06 01:04
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/hashtag/MillionMaskMarch?src=tren	Nov 06 02:00
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/JamiaStarheart/status/662445042058031104	Nov 06 02:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JamiaStarheart: RT @JamesFTInternet: Shutting down #Monsanto Headquarters in DC #MillionMaskMarch https://t.co/mOXFy2cSCm		Nov 06 02:00
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schestowitz	XFaCE: canada too https://twitter.com/CrowdhNews/status/662438442824032256	Nov 06 02:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CrowdhNews: MONTREAL: The #MillionMaskMarch is now underway! #MMM https://t.co/O299N7fUTQ		Nov 06 02:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CrowdhNews: MONTREAL: The #MillionMaskMarch is now underway! #MMM https://t.co/O299N7fUTQ		Nov 06 02:01
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/JamieLeeBrett/status/662436370087026688	Nov 06 02:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@JamieLeeBrett: Don't judge the protest on actions of a few but the intention of many who are trying to start positive change. #MillionMaskMarch		Nov 06 02:01
XFaCE	schestowitz: on the NZ, there over 9000 PDFs (exaggeration) of TPP documents	Nov 06 02:25
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/CollChris/status/662466852967198720	Nov 06 07:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CollChris: Same in US.. @Snowden showed and court ruled unlawful NSA spying. Govt now tries to make the crime legal with #CISA. https://t.co/85AHEOxLi8		Nov 06 07:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Ed @snowden put out there #gchq documents to document crime, whereupon GCHQ was found guilty in #uk but rather than jail, Tories legalise it		Nov 06 07:21
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schestowitz	XFaCE: wow!	Nov 06 12:04
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/662600466589700096	Nov 06 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz I'm concerned RH in bed with MS, another Novell in the making ???		Nov 06 12:05
schestowitz	No, very different circumstances. Same for Nokia.	Nov 06 12:05
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/662552420300361728 https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/662414953601740800 https://twitter.com/ghabuntu/status/662450227236892673 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/662567637986185216	Nov 06 12:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: Microsoft does not love Linux. They will only do what is necessary to stay relevant https://t.co/YVKjeMlVj0		Nov 06 12:08
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/662567897630449664 https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/662560675097653248 https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/662435748570906625 https://twitter.com/MeirionTweets/status/662564016204681216 https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/662382139309203461	Nov 06 12:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ghabuntu: Media Coverage of the Red Hat-Microsoft Deal Includes Microsoft Talking Points and Moles, No Discussion About ... https://t.co/Q1zbO6oFS1		Nov 06 12:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Red Hat proliferates and controls systemd while using opensource dot com as a front for their corporate propaganda" https://t.co/enGU3FhklJ		Nov 06 12:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: The TPP chaoter on software is basically trumping licences like the GPL with contract law. Am I right? https://t.co/hHSLJZsQDt		Nov 06 12:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MeirionTweets: Man who doesn't get Evolution 2nd in running for GOP candidacy & then there's the pyramids - Nurse! #Election2016 https://t.co/AYzoUWGebV		Nov 06 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Salon: Ben Carson’s bizarro-world pyramid madness: This is why evangelicals adore him, and everyone else will find him nuts https://t.co/o1pi0VQRab		Nov 06 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: Next PopcornTime version will multiplex 100 TOR circuits over MultipathTCP. Voila, problem solved.		Nov 06 12:10
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/662378315068653568 https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/662424633753382912 https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/662436618205179905 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/662585913629913088 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/662586195231248384 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/662590925009457152	Nov 06 12:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: So-Called ‘Trade’ Treaties Like #TPP and #TTIP Threaten to Legalise #swpats in #Europe and Effectively Ban FOSS https://t.co/BFXSnI32dW		Nov 06 12:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Software Patents in Europe: not just a threat but already a problem because #epo grants them https://t.co/9QEUjKZdQN		Nov 06 12:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #IPDealmakersForum Brags About Having the World’s Largest Patent Troll as Keynote Speaker https://t.co/86vv1qAxBF #swpats		Nov 06 12:11
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/662591117859360768 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/662597762068971520 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/662599611459203072 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/662599858033991680	Nov 06 12:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Intellectual Ventures was conceived by a Microsoft executive, Nathan Myhrvold" https://t.co/nQMT98VFn5 #microsoft #IntellectualVentures		Nov 06 12:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #IPKat Bemoans Crushing of the EPO’s Boards by an Increasingly Paranoid #EPO Management https://t.co/BaCmuhgxZR h/t @fosspatents		Nov 06 12:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 19,437 blog posts in #techrights at the moment, so 19.5k expected this month and 20k next year. #epo in focus ATM https://t.co/CMIUWvePoB		Nov 06 12:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: SUSE's #patent deal with #microsoft is running out this year (2 months left). Will be interesting to see what happens upon expiry. #novell		Nov 06 12:12
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/662603526179303424	Nov 06 12:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz Gonna read your article, to get the gist of it.		Nov 06 12:13
schestowitz	I wrote 4 articles about the Red Hat deal http://techrights.org/2015/11/05/microsoft-red-hat-patent-agreement/ http://techrights.org/2015/11/04/red-hat-sells-out/ http://techrights.org/2015/11/04/red-hat-deal-with-microsoft/ http://techrights.org/2015/11/05/garbage-media-coverage/	Nov 06 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Red Hat Sells Out With a Microsoft Patent Deal \| Techrights		Nov 06 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Red Hat’s Deal With Microsoft Resurrects Fears of Software Patents Against GNU/Linux and Introduces ‘Triple-Dipping’ of Fees \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/o8qq7 ]		Nov 06 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Media Coverage of the Red Hat-Microsoft Deal Includes Microsoft Talking Points and Moles, No Discussion About Patent Aspects \| Techrights		Nov 06 12:14
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2015/11/05/microsoft-red-hat-patent-agreement/	Nov 06 12:15
schestowitz	odd, it doesn't pick it up	Nov 06 12:15
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/662603810490195969	Nov 06 12:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz Btw, did you read this: https://t.co/0xugFqBbkI ??? A very good analysis of the sad state of affairs in Linux development.		Nov 06 12:16
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schestowitz	I saw that a while back...	Nov 06 12:16
schestowitz	> By the way, DN will have an allegedly exclusive interview with Edward	Nov 06 12:33
schestowitz	> Snowden published at 14:00 UTC:	Nov 06 12:33
schestowitz	>	Nov 06 12:33
schestowitz	> http://www.dn.se/	Nov 06 12:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dn.se \| Nyheter - DN.SE		Nov 06 12:33
schestowitz	>	Nov 06 12:33
schestowitz	> I'll be offline around then for a while but you might want to check it	Nov 06 12:33
schestowitz	> out. It might be in Swedish but Google translate does a fairly good job	Nov 06 12:33
schestowitz	> of translating it. Hopefully they link to the original in English.	Nov 06 12:33
schestowitz	Whether live or offline, in the form of articles with sound bites, it ought to be OK. I think Denmark is used for data collection from the East, just like Sweden and to a lesser degree (due to fear of restriction from Putin) Finland.	Nov 06 12:33
schestowitz	Snowden didn't write anything in Twitter yesterday, so he might be preparing for something or working on something. His feed wasn't so bad as it helped tackle UK repressions this week.	Nov 06 12:33
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msb_	Excellent analysis of Syria situation and US policy. youtube-dl gets it. https://www.rt.com/shows/sophieco/321020-syrian-peace-talk-conflict/	Nov 06 14:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com \| US in stupor, doesn't know what to do or even what it wants in Syria - MidEast studies academic RT — SophieCo		Nov 06 14:30
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrianPardy/status/662646071521341440	Nov 06 15:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrianPardy: @schestowitz @tekcurmudgeon The sick part is when UEFI is done right and users can use their own keys to sign OS, it's VERY user enabling.		Nov 06 15:03
schestowitz	If only every machine was configured this way out of the OEM...	Nov 06 15:04
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/huehuehuio/status/662646215193051136	Nov 06 15:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@huehuehuio: @schestowitz It's a butt actually, hearts look different. Probably some kind of gayonising Twitter, as surveillance incorporated long ago.		Nov 06 15:04
schestowitz	it still gets worse	Nov 06 15:04
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/662646734619832320	Nov 06 15:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @schestowitz many thanks for that		Nov 06 15:04
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrianPardy/status/662647302222401536	Nov 06 15:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrianPardy: @schestowitz @tekcurmudgeon It takes a lot of research to find something that allows the choice going into a purchase. But when it works? 👍		Nov 06 15:08
schestowitz	It wasn't designed to put control at the user's end	Nov 06 15:08
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/huehuehuio/status/662648516276277249	Nov 06 15:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@huehuehuio: @schestowitz Yep - Twitter quite buggy in Firefox, but works fine in webkit-based browsers - most probably intentional.		Nov 06 15:14
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/drtocqueville/status/662652688841199616	Nov 06 15:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@drtocqueville: @schestowitz esp. when they can extend patent $$$ life by alternate #indicated purpose		Nov 06 15:30
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/IPDealmakers/status/662656505234239489	Nov 06 15:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IPDealmakers: @schestowitz 11 of America's top inventors work with IV. Edward Jung is one of them. What's your definition of a patent troll?		Nov 06 15:44
schestowitz	IV is a textbook definition of it, and it has 1000 satellite entities	Nov 06 15:44
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/IPDealmakers/status/662662329583190017	Nov 06 16:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IPDealmakers: @schestowitz Doesn't really answer the question. So having satellite entities makes one a patent troll?		Nov 06 16:35
schestowitz	No, being a patent troll makes one a patent troll. Having 1000-2000 satellite proxies makes one the biggest patent troll.	Nov 06 16:37
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/662667864936218624	Nov 06 16:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz I was trying to come up with a witty response yet all I have got is wtf, why are there so many morons on earth?!		Nov 06 16:37
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/662661304776310784	Nov 06 16:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: TechRights: Media Coverage of the Red Hat-MSFT Deal Includes [..] No Discussion About Patent Aspects https://t.co/cJ0xmU9OWH by @schestowitz		Nov 06 16:37
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/IPDealmakers/status/662674145881292801	Nov 06 16:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IPDealmakers: @schestowitz So still no answer then. https://t.co/yCM0KFQvQb		Nov 06 16:55
schestowitz	It's like talking to a deaf	Nov 06 16:55
schestowitz	and the paper you link you I responded to in http://techrights.org/2015/09/10/propagandists-for-swpats/ background in http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/David_Kappos	Nov 06 16:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| David Kappos From IBM and the USPTO is Still Lobbying for Software Patents, This Time With a New Glorified ‘Paper’ \| Techrights		Nov 06 16:58
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AntiSoftwarePat/status/662675261125730304	Nov 06 16:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AntiSoftwarePat: @schestowitz @IPDealmakers 1000's of shell companies is typical Patent Troll business structure		Nov 06 16:58
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6786049	Nov 06 17:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #ciapost wants us to think #gnu #linux not secure and #torvalds a bad person http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/business/2015/11/05/net-of-insecurity-the-kernel-of-the-argument/ More gunning for Linus.		Nov 06 17:36
schestowitz	"	Nov 06 17:36
schestowitz	The article would’ve make some sense if dealing with closed source propietary software, but not FLOSS. Possibly it tries to exploit readers that are not aware that anyone who has the desire and knowledge to modify, enhance and redistribute the results of the software (with another name for it) can do it without the blessing of Torvalds.	Nov 06 17:36
schestowitz	I am not a programmer, but I still can say that most of the “complaints” here could be solved by forking or patching linux, etc. That’s the real magic behind FLOSS, right. If those alternatives are not popular yet is because servers and systems administrator do not think of it as better alternatives, yet. Demonizing Torvalds because of his approach on coding one of the most successful and trusted pieces of software to date is plainly	Nov 06 17:36
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schestowitz	ridiculous.	Nov 06 17:36
schestowitz	"	Nov 06 17:36
schestowitz	"Payed by Microsoft or the NSA to discredit Linux."	Nov 06 17:36
schestowitz	"He contributed to the Post’s Pulitzer Prize-winning coverage of the NSA." https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/craig-timberg	Nov 06 17:37
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Joel__	Hi	Nov 06 20:30
Joel__	How do I contact Dr. Roy Schestowitz?	Nov 06 20:31
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cubexyz	so impatient	Nov 06 20:31
XRevan86	10 seconds	Nov 06 20:33
MinceR	:D	Nov 06 20:33
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lirodon	okay, so some people seem to disagree about the intent of that supposed TPP thing regarding source code	Nov 06 21:11
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cubexyz	ok, this is rather out of date but here is the startup sequence for award bios:	Nov 06 21:48
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/award-bios-startup.txt	Nov 06 21:48
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/georgebaily/status/662946457322942464	Nov 07 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@georgebaily: @schestowitz "this guy has a non approved OS on his laptop, he could be a mentalist, haul him out!"		Nov 07 10:58
schestowitz	> http://www.wired.com/2015/11/null/	Nov 07 11:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wired.com \| Hello, I'm Mr. Null. My Name Makes Me Invisible to Computers \| WIRED		Nov 07 11:07
schestowitz	>	Nov 07 11:07
schestowitz	> A fellow with the last name of 'O' broke our administrative database a	Nov 07 11:07
schestowitz	> long time ago. The programmers had decided that no last names could be	Nov 07 11:07
schestowitz	> shorter than two letters.	Nov 07 11:07
schestowitz	What kind of constraint was that? Doesn't seem justified. Was it a schema issue of underlying DB issue? Or software that's off-the-shelf and proprietary?	Nov 07 11:07
amarsh04	how do they handle people with only one name?	Nov 07 11:10
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/2E0EOL/status/662950388979605504	Nov 07 11:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@2E0EOL: @schestowitz Fuzz testing is the future! Nobody wants to invest the time though, so systems will continue to be broken by design		Nov 07 11:14
schestowitz	Just needs lots of computing power, some false positives to spend time on	Nov 07 11:14
amarsh04	had a kernel bug hit me on this machine, bisected it and the offending commit was by the same person who had broken a scsi driver on this machine previously	Nov 07 11:15
amarsh04	it took me a while to be polite in my bug report	Nov 07 11:15
schestowitz	[11:10] <amarsh04> how do they handle people with only one name?	Nov 07 11:15
schestowitz	Which countries have such a policy? Native Americans maybe?	Nov 07 11:16
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/2E0EOL/status/662952128311402497	Nov 07 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@2E0EOL: @schestowitz Computing power, true but not as expensive as the time needed to construct useful tests? I use Test::LectroTest, it's OK.		Nov 07 11:18
amarsh04	Indonesians often only have one name	Nov 07 11:20
amarsh04	but there have been a few in Australia, so when I worked at the University of Adelaide we had to cope with that when assigning staff email addresses	Nov 07 11:21
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schestowitz	amarsh04: I didn't know this about Indonesians	Nov 07 12:45
schestowitz	i know that in Vietnam the surname diversity is extremely low	Nov 07 12:45
schestowitz	more so than in China and neighbours,	Nov 07 12:45
schestowitz	like CJK	Nov 07 12:45
schestowitz	Parks and Kim are common in Korea	Nov 07 12:45
schestowitz	the surname distribution in Taiwan is also quite amazingly low	Nov 07 12:45
schestowitz	I think that nygyum or whatever it is in Vietnam is the surname of (IIRC) 60% of people?	Nov 07 12:46
amarsh04	yes, something like that	Nov 07 12:47
schestowitz	plagiarism https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/662978608017838080	Nov 07 13:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @MariusNestor https://t.co/5GAup2REH6 kill the bugger		Nov 07 13:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techfrag.com \| Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 Bringing New SMS, Telephony Apps - TechFrag		Nov 07 13:03
schestowitz	Razvan is also feeling lazy today http://linuxg.net/ubuntu-16-04-will-ship-with-a-redesigned-usb-startup-creater-tool/	Nov 07 13:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 508 @ http://linuxg.net/ubuntu-16-04-will-ship-with-a-redesigned-usb-startup-creater-tool/ )		Nov 07 13:04
schestowitz	They're copying softpedia	Nov 07 13:05
schestowitz	ripoff artists	Nov 07 13:05
MinceR	Nguyen?	Nov 07 13:58
MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/SP5KJdM.jpg	Nov 07 13:58
XRevan86	feeeeelings	Nov 07 13:59
XRevan86	Can one rape a man that way?	Nov 07 13:59
XRevan86	or a cat	Nov 07 14:00
XRevan86	through Internet	Nov 07 14:00
XRevan86	Does one have to do anything to rape?	Nov 07 14:04
MinceR	to make SJWs scream "rape"? no.	Nov 07 14:05
MinceR	http://dilbert.com/strip/2012-10-21	Nov 07 14:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dilbert.com \| Dilbert Comic Strip on 2012-10-21 \| Dilbert by Scott Adams		Nov 07 14:38
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/663004006231506946	Nov 07 14:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz I told you so, it' s no longer GNU/Linux, it' s RH/Lennix. We' re like the frog in the pan, slowly cooking and unaware.		Nov 07 14:47
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/663004517265444864	Nov 07 14:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz Bitnami is good, servers in a package.		Nov 07 14:48
XFaCE	yo roy	Nov 07 14:57
XFaCE	schestowitz: look at this garbage	Nov 07 14:57
XFaCE	http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/business/2015/11/05/net-of-insecurity-the-kernel-of-the-argument/	Nov 07 14:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com \| The kernel of the argument over Linux’s vulnerabilities \| The Washington Post		Nov 07 14:57
MinceR	journalism is dead	Nov 07 14:57
XFaCE	one page of drivel, quoting... Matthew Garrett	Nov 07 14:57
XFaCE	and also blaming Ashley Madison on Linux even though they admit that linux wasn't at fault in that situation	Nov 07 14:58
XFaCE	in other words, they're like "Here's an example that's not really an example"	Nov 07 14:58
MinceR	garrett is attacking linux because he's butthurt because they didn't merge his stupid securelevel interface	Nov 07 14:59
XFaCE	schestowitz: noting further that all this is coming out after that "honeypot" allegation	Nov 07 15:00
XFaCE	and of course that mis-reported Sarah Sharpe/Matthew Garrett tantruming	Nov 07 15:00
schestowitz	LOL, coming from a Microsoft guy: https://twitter.com/GaborFari/status/663007802420367360	Nov 07 15:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GaborFari: @WinObs Look at what this idiot wrote: https://t.co/LhGO1bpGKM Makes a living being a troll, I guess. But it must be a meager living.		Nov 07 15:01
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schestowitz	Not pointing out errors, just upset about it	Nov 07 15:02
schestowitz	[14:58] <XFaCE> and also blaming Ashley Madison on Linux even though they admit that linux wasn't at fault in that situation	Nov 07 15:02
schestowitz	Windows network	Nov 07 15:02
schestowitz	I wrote about that	Nov 07 15:02
schestowitz	at least one article	Nov 07 15:02
schestowitz	they got their windows domain passwords	Nov 07 15:02
MinceR	now you can write about washington post :>	Nov 07 15:02
schestowitz	[14:59] <MinceR> garrett is attacking linux because he's butthurt because they didn't merge his stupid securelevel interface	Nov 07 15:03
schestowitz	They did merge his UEFI crap	Nov 07 15:03
schestowitz	shim	Nov 07 15:03
XFaCE	schestowitz: I'm guessing that's cause of intel pressure	Nov 07 15:03
schestowitz	although Linux complained that he was deepthroating Microsoft	Nov 07 15:03
XFaCE	and RedH Hat	Nov 07 15:03
schestowitz	XFaCE: yes, Intel	Nov 07 15:03
schestowitz	Red Hat paid his salary	Nov 07 15:03
schestowitz	at least at the time	Nov 07 15:03
XFaCE	schestowitz: and red hat, since they've been fine with the UEFI thing	Nov 07 15:03
schestowitz	Intel and Red Hat co-sponsor some blogs	Nov 07 15:03
XFaCE	and now we know they have no problem being touched by a Microsoft	Nov 07 15:03
schestowitz	Red Hat and Intel are quite close, also when it comes to systemd	Nov 07 15:04
XFaCE	directly	Nov 07 15:04
schestowitz	[15:02] <MinceR> now you can write about washington post :>	Nov 07 15:04
schestowitz	No, I have no patience for that	Nov 07 15:04
schestowitz	it's not that importanty	Nov 07 15:04
schestowitz	*tant	Nov 07 15:04
schestowitz	some people responded, I put that in tuxmachines	Nov 07 15:05
schestowitz	with selective quotes of people who respond to the piece	Nov 07 15:05
schestowitz	and then there will be IRC logs, FWIW	Nov 07 15:05
msb_	I never buy Intel CPUs, only AMD.	Nov 07 15:05
schestowitz	No need to give CIAPost more attention than they already got	Nov 07 15:05
schestowitz	I wonder how Torvalds feels about the piece	Nov 07 15:05
schestowitz	if I had something witty to say, I'd ask Torvalads about it over email	Nov 07 15:06
XFaCE	schestowitz: "Washington Post... FUCK YOU!"	Nov 07 15:06
schestowitz	sometimes they have some decent reports	Nov 07 15:06
XFaCE	on a blue moon	Nov 07 15:06
schestowitz	because they employ some fairly good journalists, same with NYTimes	Nov 07 15:06
schestowitz	but all in all, both "journals of record" are Pentagon mouthpieces	Nov 07 15:06
schestowitz	(well funded at that)	Nov 07 15:06
schestowitz	so they can snap good reporter like James Risen	Nov 07 15:06
MinceR	where were their "fairly good journalists" when this article was vomited out and published?	Nov 07 15:06
XFaCE	schestowitz: also apologists for political correctness	Nov 07 15:07
schestowitz	what's political correctness?	Nov 07 15:07
schestowitz	Entrapping people	Nov 07 15:07
schestowitz	!google torvalds trap esr	Nov 07 15:07
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - From kafkatrap to honeytrap - Armed and Dangerous - Ibiblio \| http://esr.ibiblio.org/%3Fp%3D6907	Nov 07 15:07
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Are feminists targeting Linus Torvalds for sexual assault charges ... \| http://www.itworld.com/article/3001440/linux/are-feminist-sjws-targeting-linus-torvalds-for-sexual-assault-charges.html	Nov 07 15:07
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - a/esr-sharing - LWN.net \| https://lwn.net/2000/0824/a/esr-sharing.php3	Nov 07 15:07
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Any woman in tech could be a false-accusing feminist honey trap ... \| http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/05/any-woman-in-tech-could-be-a-false-accusing-feminist-honey-trap-addled-open-source-guru-warns/	Nov 07 15:07
schestowitz	I suspected so	Nov 07 15:08
schestowitz	Some female Linux dev complained about Shrap	Nov 07 15:08
schestowitz	said she was abusing Torvalds	Nov 07 15:08
schestowitz	and that she had also done that to her husband	Nov 07 15:08
schestowitz	it was a threat from 2013 IIRC	Nov 07 15:08
schestowitz	I can find it if you want	Nov 07 15:08
schestowitz	Linux doesn't "hire" people	Nov 07 15:08
schestowitz	So some trolls end up working like moles inside, inc. Microsoft moles	Nov 07 15:09
schestowitz	who "love Linux"	Nov 07 15:09
schestowitz	Enough to shove proprietary software hooks into it	Nov 07 15:09
schestowitz	while violating GPL	Nov 07 15:09
XFaCE	[10:07:21]<schestowitz> what's political correctness?	Nov 07 15:09
schestowitz	(hyper-V)	Nov 07 15:09
schestowitz	The definition I'd give	Nov 07 15:09
schestowitz	(without looking up)	Nov 07 15:09
XFaCE	schestowitz: authoritarianism, self-censorship for the purpose of not upsetting "feelilngs"	Nov 07 15:09
schestowitz	if what you need to say to remain electable	Nov 07 15:09
schestowitz	so, don't alienate potential votes	Nov 07 15:09
schestowitz	non-whites, women, homosexuals	Nov 07 15:10
XFaCE	schestowitz: it can apply to everyone beyond politicians	Nov 07 15:10
schestowitz	IOW, don't express opinions	Nov 07 15:10
XFaCE	exactly	Nov 07 15:10
schestowitz	Not even on war and foreign policy, unless it's Bush's "axis of evil'	Nov 07 15:10
schestowitz	Then you can make all the fun you want	Nov 07 15:10
schestowitz	mock N Korea, Not S Arabia	Nov 07 15:10
schestowitz	political correctness is a WESTERN term	Nov 07 15:11
schestowitz	won't apply in other countries	Nov 07 15:11
schestowitz	same with words like "Anti-American", Anti-Semite" etc.	Nov 07 15:11
schestowitz	Arabs and Russians don't enjoy these same moral 'proections'	Nov 07 15:11
schestowitz	BTW, I used to think third world country meant poor country	Nov 07 15:12
schestowitz	Not so, look up the definitopon	Nov 07 15:12
schestowitz	First means allies with West/NATO, second means with USSR, "third" with neither	Nov 07 15:12
schestowitz	So they poor-shame people not aligned with some political agenda	Nov 07 15:12
schestowitz	(one that primarily empowers/perpetuates power of Five Eyes and co. (mostly central Europe post WW2	Nov 07 15:13
XFaCE	https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151106/08022132734/jpmorgan-ceo-jamie-dimon-says-government-will-stop-bitcoin.shtml	Nov 07 15:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techdirt.com \| JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon Says The Government Will 'Stop' Bitcoin \| Techdirt		Nov 07 15:15
schestowitz	ta	Nov 07 15:17
MinceR	what happened to microsoft florian?	Nov 07 15:32
schestowitz	He's reformed a bit	Nov 07 15:36
schestowitz	no longer takes money from Microsoft	Nov 07 15:36
schestowitz	he admitted to me that he had	Nov 07 15:37
schestowitz	and explained how he justified this to himself	Nov 07 15:37
schestowitz	remember he did some linux and IBM bashing before that	Nov 07 15:37
MinceR	ic	Nov 07 15:37
schestowitz	now he seems to be going hard on companies that defend the use of software patents	Nov 07 15:37
schestowitz	even Apple	Nov 07 15:37
schestowitz	and I think that if he gets support for that, he might find that advocating for the "good fight" is worth Euros to him	Nov 07 15:37
MinceR	nice	Nov 07 15:38
schestowitz	which is what it all boils down for him,...	Nov 07 15:38
schestowitz	he's a lobbyist	Nov 07 15:38
schestowitz	now he's supportive of techrights	Nov 07 15:38
schestowitz	despite all that I wrote about him (negative)	Nov 07 15:38
XFaCE	schestowitz: so he's a shapeshifter? :P	Nov 07 15:40
MinceR	"But one could not create products more independently and single-handedly than Apple."	Nov 07 15:41
MinceR	what the fuck	Nov 07 15:41
XFaCE	um	Nov 07 15:41
XFaCE	where did that come from MinceR ?	Nov 07 15:41
MinceR	if that's true, what's all the code ripped off from Mach, FreeBSD and KDE doing in their shit?	Nov 07 15:41
MinceR	microsoft florian	Nov 07 15:41
MinceR	here: http://www.fosspatents.com/2015/11/hypocritical-red-hat-hopes-to-leverage.html	Nov 07 15:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com \| FOSS Patents: Hypocritical Red Hat hopes to leverage patents to cement its Linux market leadership: Microsoft deal		Nov 07 15:42
XFaCE	ah	Nov 07 15:42
XFaCE	ah	Nov 07 15:42
XFaCE	Apple Florian?	Nov 07 15:42
MinceR	is he apple florian now?	Nov 07 15:42
MinceR	:)	Nov 07 15:42
XFaCE	Shapeshifting Florian	Nov 07 15:42
MinceR	Weathervane Florian	Nov 07 15:42
XFaCE	Hilary Clinton Florian	Nov 07 15:43
MinceR	lol	Nov 07 15:44
XFaCE	MinceR: http://news.drweb.com/show/?i=9686&lng=en&c=5	Nov 07 16:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.drweb.com \| Encryption ransomware threatens Linux users — Dr.Web - innovation anti-virus security technologies. Comprehensive protection from Internet threats.		Nov 07 16:19
XFaCE	"Once launched with administrator privileges, the Trojan dubbed Linux.Encoder.1 downloads files..."	Nov 07 16:19
XFaCE	MinceR: hold it, does this mean that this "trojan" only works... if you run it as root?	Nov 07 16:20
XRevan86	XFaCE: Well, "trojan" means "user is dumb enough to give it all it needs"	Nov 07 16:21
XRevan86	Question is: who cares?	Nov 07 16:21
XFaCE	Question is... what web servers are going a) download this and b) run this as root?	Nov 07 16:22
XFaCE	or as you put it, who care? :P	Nov 07 16:22
XFaCE	*s	Nov 07 16:22
MinceR	also, apple florian hasn't heard of foxconn or what they do	Nov 07 16:37
MinceR	or who manufactures IC-s, displays, etc. for crApple	Nov 07 16:38
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Brainiarc7/status/663034003331620864	Nov 07 17:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Brainiarc7: @schestowitz slurm?		Nov 07 17:01
schestowitz	[15:40] <XFaCE> schestowitz: so he's a shapeshifter? :P	Nov 07 17:01
schestowitz	In a sense, yes	Nov 07 17:01
schestowitz	[15:43] <XFaCE> Hilary Clinton Florian	Nov 07 17:02
schestowitz	Reptoidian	Nov 07 17:02
XRevan86	Changeling?	Nov 07 17:16
schestowitz	meh :-)	Nov 07 17:36
schestowitz	Someone just told me this about EPO I.U.:	Nov 07 17:36
schestowitz	"Claudio Zanghi, “The Spanish inquisitor”. He is actually Italian. He is the Head of the Investigative Unit. Mr Zanghi looks friendly and reserved but don’t be fooled. Dr Jekyll at the coffee machine and Mr Hyde when drafting reports on EPO employees."	Nov 07 17:36
schestowitz	Details about the head of the #epo 'Gestapo' (as EPO staff calls it) http://techrights.org/2015/11/07/head-of-epo-investigative-unit/	Nov 07 18:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| The EPO’s Investigative Unit Exposed: Part V \| Techrights		Nov 07 18:12
MinceR	gestEPO	Nov 07 18:13
XFaCE	MinceR: very good	Nov 07 18:13
MinceR	:)	Nov 07 18:13
cubexyz	interesting what Nyhrvold said about Windows	Nov 07 18:23
cubexyz	compares the cost of running a PC in a year to the cost of windows	Nov 07 18:23
MinceR	because winblows will kill the pc in a year? :>	Nov 07 18:24
cubexyz	he also states "I don't think Linux is very important"	Nov 07 18:24
cubexyz	in 1998	Nov 07 18:24
MinceR	should have asked about what protects their shitty webservers from load first	Nov 07 18:25
cubexyz	how dare people not pay the Microsoft tax!	Nov 07 18:25
cubexyz	that's the vibe I got from it	Nov 07 18:25
MinceR	no wonder	Nov 07 18:25
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MinceR	they believe the whole world belongs to them	Nov 07 18:25
MinceR	and aren't even trying to hide that	Nov 07 18:25
cubexyz	then he says "it is a serious competitor" later on	Nov 07 18:26
cubexyz	so which is it? :) it is serious or not	Nov 07 18:26
MinceR	it's a serious competitor that is not very important	Nov 07 18:27
cubexyz	that would have been in the redhat 5.2 era, so yes it was pretty good at that point in time	Nov 07 18:27
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/663059061127012352	Nov 07 18:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz @glynmoody I usually don't like such historical comparisons but the EPO is by far the most fascist entity in Munich since 1945.		Nov 07 18:27
MinceR	m$, crApple and the b$a don't have offices in Munich?	Nov 07 18:28
schestowitz	[18:13] <MinceR> gestEPO	Nov 07 18:39
schestowitz	LOL, didn't think of it	Nov 07 18:39
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schestowitz	Hahaha! Florian is now your best friend! :-)	Nov 07 21:34
schestowitz	Jan Wildeboer	Nov 07 21:34
schestowitz	http://www.fosspatents.com/2015/11/hypocritical-red-hat-hopes-to-leverage.html?m=1 …	Nov 07 21:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com \| FOSS Patents: Hypocritical Red Hat hopes to leverage patents to cement its Linux market leadership: Microsoft deal		Nov 07 21:34
schestowitz	He used to be your friend too :-)	Nov 07 21:34
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/madridbombings/status/663104088301793281	Nov 07 21:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@madridbombings: @AnnieMachon @schestowitz @rivin1 @evilallaround @ispeakitasitis		Nov 07 21:35
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schestowitz	"Hehe. "Friend". Let me just say that I encouraged him to do things he shouldn't have done. Like shouting at Rocard."	Nov 07 21:46
schestowitz	"Which resulted in him being kicked out of the Brussels sphere ;-)"	Nov 07 21:46
schestowitz	LOL, I didn't know that	Nov 07 21:46
*amarsh04 is a bit frustrated at working Linux kernel code being replaced with broken code: https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/11/7/31		Nov 07 21:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.org \| LKML: Arthur Marsh: lock-up on boot with x86/PCI/ACPI: Use common interface to support PCI host bridge		Nov 07 21:48
amarsh04	after the same person had earlier done a scsi code commit that broke things for me	Nov 07 21:48
schestowitz	"I'm evil. I work at Red Hat ;-)"	Nov 07 21:52
schestowitz	"This was before I joined Red Hat, however."	Nov 07 21:52
schestowitz	"It was when we at FFII saw that Florian was becoming a problem."	Nov 07 21:52
schestowitz	"He started to support the SUN position. Which was totally not acceptable from our perspective."	Nov 07 21:52
schestowitz	So who is he loyal to at the end of the day? Sincere question. Is he cooking a trick and may stab at the back again later? Bad/good cop?	Nov 07 21:53
schestowitz	"Hahaha! Florian is now your best friend! :-)"	Nov 07 21:53
MinceR	money	Nov 07 21:53
schestowitz	[red hat's jan]	Nov 07 21:53
schestowitz	MinceR: yeah, but I want to see what Jan says	Nov 07 21:53
MinceR	:)	Nov 07 21:53
schestowitz	let's wait and see	Nov 07 21:53
schestowitz	they're very butthurt now	Nov 07 21:53
schestowitz	after the MS deal didn't just yield 100% puff pieces	Nov 07 21:54
schestowitz	"The way he praises Microsoft and Oracle in his recent post compared to how he slams Red Hat (because we stopped paying him. Guess who made that proposal? ;-)"	Nov 07 21:57
schestowitz	"And ATM he claims to be some sort of privateer. I might even buy that. But it also means he needs some headlines every now and then."	Nov 07 21:57
schestowitz	"I haven't talked to him for 3 years."	Nov 07 21:57
schestowitz	Wait, Red Hat PAID him?!	Nov 07 21:57
schestowitz	(maybe he meant for the days of anti swpats activism	Nov 07 21:58
schestowitz	i.e. around 2005	Nov 07 21:58
schestowitz	let's see what he says, this is becoming interesting	Nov 07 21:58
schestowitz	"Yep. Red Hat sponsored his no software patents campaign. Together with MySQL."	Nov 07 21:59
schestowitz	Is this public info?	Nov 07 21:59
schestowitz	"When I joined Red Hat in 2005 I made sure that stopped."	Nov 07 21:59
schestowitz	"FFII was pissed. They felt that Florian was taking money away from them."	Nov 07 22:00
schestowitz	I never took any money from any company (other than my employer). I guess I'm not ahem... business-minded like FM	Nov 07 22:00
schestowitz	FFII was pissed. They felt that Florian was taking money away from them.	Nov 07 22:01
schestowitz	Jan Wildeboer	Nov 07 22:01
schestowitz	http://www.fosspatents.com/2015/11/hypocritical-red-hat-hopes-to-leverage.html?m=1 …	Nov 07 22:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com \| FOSS Patents: Hypocritical Red Hat hopes to leverage patents to cement its Linux market leadership: Microsoft deal [ http://ur1.ca/o8xl9 ]		Nov 07 22:01
schestowitz	FFII was pissed. They felt that Florian was taking money away from them.	Nov 07 22:01
schestowitz	Jan Wildeboer	Nov 07 22:01
schestowitz	http://www.fosspatents.com/2015/11/hypocritical-red-hat-hopes-to-leverage.html?m=1 …	Nov 07 22:01
schestowitz	[Ah, I guess he did mention it, I missed it]	Nov 07 22:01
schestowitz	MinceR: there's some fishy about FM	Nov 07 22:01
schestowitz	still	Nov 07 22:01
schestowitz	he was praised by MS	Nov 07 22:01
MinceR	his praise for crApple already smells to me	Nov 07 22:01
schestowitz	Guetirrez, or whatever's the name of their main anti-Linux patent lawyer	Nov 07 22:02
schestowitz	vice preseident	Nov 07 22:02
MinceR	especially considering that crApple is not only a parasite with shitty products, but they also keep attacking */Linux	Nov 07 22:02
schestowitz	I'll watch out, I guess.... but it's him just following me re Red Hat	Nov 07 22:02
schestowitz	MinceR: Apple is lowering the volume of lawsuits over Android	Nov 07 22:02
schestowitz	AFAIK	Nov 07 22:02
schestowitz	The HTC case was 'settlesd'	Nov 07 22:02
schestowitz	with pay	Nov 07 22:02
schestowitz	and I think it's just Samsung they still go after	Nov 07 22:03
MinceR	not a difficult task for them	Nov 07 22:03
schestowitz	Microsoft does worse now	Nov 07 22:03
schestowitz	after Jobs died the cases slowed down, over time	Nov 07 22:03
schestowitz	it took a year or two	Nov 07 22:03
MinceR	there are a lot of notches they could go down	Nov 07 22:03
schestowitz	they'll lose	Nov 07 22:03
MinceR	they've also bought CUPS so they could fuck it up	Nov 07 22:03
schestowitz	but they still make money in the DRM business	Nov 07 22:03
schestowitz	and their shit is overprised, so money still flows in	Nov 07 22:03
schestowitz	*priced	Nov 07 22:03
schestowitz	CUPS isn't f*ed up yet	Nov 07 22:04
schestowitz	works well for me	Nov 07 22:04
MinceR	afaik they've already started removing features	Nov 07 22:04
schestowitz	"I , too, have a (past) Red Hat connection, but it's none that I would be proud of. Over the decades I've done work for a variety of companies, and Red Hat is the only one I wish I had never worked with. They supported my NoSoftwarePatents campaign in late 2004 and early 2005, probably because they just thought a sponsorship was useful for currying favor with the FOSS community. They were far larger than MySQL AB but contributed a far	Nov 07 22:04
schestowitz	smaller amount."	Nov 07 22:04
schestowitz	Jan: "As public as it can get ;-)"	Nov 07 22:04
schestowitz	That helps add context	Nov 07 22:05
schestowitz	"Always happy to help :-)"	Nov 07 22:06
schestowitz	Don't take any of my writings about Red Hat personally. It's a bug company now, so there are competing interests therein, between separate groups, products, not just people. Red Hat even hired managers from Microsoft.	Nov 07 22:07
schestowitz	*big	Nov 07 22:07
schestowitz	MinceR: red hat is chatting about these now	Nov 07 22:08
schestowitz	the writings by varghese, FM, techrights	Nov 07 22:08
MinceR	they're realizing they shouldn't have copied novell so closely?	Nov 07 22:08
schestowitz	let's see if the "Open Organization" as Whitehurst calls it sheds some light on the patent situation (e.g. GPL compatibility and how so)	Nov 07 22:08
schestowitz	Jan: "And you can as Carlo Piana about the Red Hat/Microsoft deal. He knows the contract. Not even I do. Carlo did say there is no patent deal in there. But don't trust me. That's perfectly ok. Doesn't change my respect towards you."	Nov 07 22:09
schestowitz	"Ask. Not as"	Nov 07 22:09
schestowitz	So they contracted Piana to help with the deal?	Nov 07 22:09
schestowitz	"Yes. We hired managers from Microsoft. And Oracle. And IBM. And they all get the personal brainwash by me in Munich ;-)"	Nov 07 22:10
schestowitz	"Carlo told me the agreement is fully GPL compliant."	Nov 07 22:10
schestowitz	"Yes, we did."	Nov 07 22:10
schestowitz	Tell Piana (nice guy) and Whitehurst (I interview him) to consider releasing the info to the public to stop speculations then...	Nov 07 22:10
schestowitz	I used to defend Red Hat even when they made patent deals, e.g. with the trolls	Nov 07 22:11
MinceR	their faq claims the pact includes that "neither company will pursue a patent lawsuit or claim against the other or its customers, while we are partnering"	Nov 07 22:12
schestowitz	Because Red Hat showed it was GPL compatible and shared the details, didn't hide them	Nov 07 22:12
MinceR	similar weaseling around patents as the novell "covenant not to sue"	Nov 07 22:12
schestowitz	I can still change my mind and offer an updated interpretation	Nov 07 22:12
schestowitz	MinceR: yeah	Nov 07 22:12
MinceR	so either there's a patent deal or they lie about the deal on http://www.redhat.com/en/about/blog/faq-red-hat-and-microsoft-partnership	Nov 07 22:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com \| FAQ: Red Hat and Microsoft Partnership \| Red Hat		Nov 07 22:12
schestowitz	this is why I want to see the binding contract	Nov 07 22:12
MinceR	_and_ they expect us to eat this bullshit	Nov 07 22:12
schestowitz	not some verbal stuff from a geek, not some lawyer	Nov 07 22:12
MinceR	what a slimy bunch of career criminals	Nov 07 22:13
schestowitz	"Unfortunately not going to happen."	Nov 07 22:13
schestowitz	"I am pushing our legal department to publish general advice with template language however."	Nov 07 22:13
schestowitz	"Please don't. Only if you get the assurance and info you need."	Nov 07 22:13
schestowitz	Nothing to fear, nothing to hide	Nov 07 22:13
schestowitz	"I'm not the one who can deliver that. Carlo can, I hope."	Nov 07 22:13
schestowitz	Ask Piana	Nov 07 22:13
schestowitz	"I am pushing our legal department to publish general advice with template language however."	Nov 07 22:14
schestowitz	"Unfortunately not going to happen."	Nov 07 22:15
schestowitz	"I don't like the deal. But I understand why it's a good thing."	Nov 07 22:15
schestowitz	"It was 100% customer driven."	Nov 07 22:15
schestowitz	"They wanted this. Microsoft accepted that. After almost two years."	Nov 07 22:15
schestowitz	"Canonical/SUSE just wasn't good enough for Azure customers."	Nov 07 22:15
schestowitz	"It was 100% customer driven." is Novell speak	Nov 07 22:15
schestowitz	And I explained why it's not a good thing for the community, irrespective of Red Hat's interests and its customers'	Nov 07 22:16
schestowitz	I said this in comments, in articles, social media	Nov 07 22:16
schestowitz	PJ used to call it Yuppie Nuremberg defence	Nov 07 22:16
MinceR	LOL	Nov 07 22:16
MinceR	231530 < schestowitz> "Canonical/SUSE just wasn't good enough for Azure customers."	Nov 07 22:16
MinceR	if there was anything that wasn't good enough for azure customers, they wouldn't be azure customers	Nov 07 22:17
schestowitz	"Hehe. They all went to the same disinformation school, I guess ;-)"	Nov 07 22:17
schestowitz	"Again, I'm not a fan."	Nov 07 22:17
schestowitz	I know, it's like when I'm asked to remotely access Windows to do something from the one paying the salary	Nov 07 22:18
schestowitz	"I know, it's like when I'm asked to remotely access Windows to do something from the one paying the salary"	Nov 07 22:18
schestowitz	Could Microsoft not omit the whole parent thing for Azure?	Nov 07 22:18
schestowitz	Canonica;'s azure deal hasn't got that crap, like "standstill"	Nov 07 22:18
schestowitz	t "neither company will pursue a patent lawsuit or claim against the other or its customers, while we are partnering"	Nov 07 22:19
schestowitz	"But I do see that we got a deal that SUSE or Canonical couldn't get."	Nov 07 22:20
schestowitz	"I am willing to wait a year and see what happens."	Nov 07 22:20
schestowitz	"They were told "sign here". And they did."	Nov 07 22:20
schestowitz	"We insisted on that. On not recognizing any patent value."	Nov 07 22:20
schestowitz	Were Webbink, Tiller et al involved in this?	Nov 07 22:21
schestowitz	Can I interview any of them about this?	Nov 07 22:21
schestowitz	"That was the show stopper for almost two years."	Nov 07 22:21
schestowitz	"We didn't give in ;-)"	Nov 07 22:21
schestowitz	"But my sources inside Microsoft tell me that Nadella wants to move away from the patent mess."	Nov 07 22:21
schestowitz	LOL	Nov 07 22:21
schestowitz	Why did he do what he did to ASUS, Kyocera, Dell, and Samsung?	Nov 07 22:22
schestowitz	Maybe he can write about this in opensource.com	Nov 07 22:22
schestowitz	He has not written there for ages	Nov 07 22:22
schestowitz	Not about patent policy, not software patents, not trolls, nothing...	Nov 07 22:23
schestowitz	"I don't know. I do know he allowed our deal to go through."	Nov 07 22:23
schestowitz	Let's just say that I don't know how Tiller intends to really tackle swpats, if he's at all interested in this...	Nov 07 22:23
schestowitz	Maybe I'll do patent search later to see if Red Hat still applies for patents on software	Nov 07 22:24
schestowitz	"I don't know. I do know he allowed our deal to go through."	Nov 07 22:24
schestowitz	"I'll ask around."	Nov 07 22:24
schestowitz	"I'm As interested to get this out in public as you are."	Nov 07 22:24
schestowitz	Tell him. OPEN Organisation. Like the book ;-)	Nov 07 22:24
schestowitz	"We do.	Nov 07 22:25
schestowitz	"	Nov 07 22:25
amarsh04	one shouldn't trust hearsay, just use it to help find hard evidence	Nov 07 22:25
schestowitz	Applying for spftware patents serves to convince me that Red Hat's size and growing budget goes to waste, like Gates after his "standstill" remark	Nov 07 22:25
MinceR	ooh, poor little innocent m$ wants to move away from the mess that is in large part their fault?	Nov 07 22:25
MinceR	how cute.	Nov 07 22:25
schestowitz	He and Microsoft both say standstill	Nov 07 22:26
schestowitz	Gates said patents would lead to a standstill (when Microsoft was small), not that he's back in MS management I hear of a patent "standstill" with Red Hat. Still same language.	Nov 07 22:26
schestowitz	Serves to show two giants agreeing to help each other, like with Novell...	Nov 07 22:26
schestowitz	"As interested to get this out in public as you are."	Nov 07 22:27
schestowitz	"We do."	Nov 07 22:27
schestowitz	"But still under our patent promise.'	Nov 07 22:27
schestowitz	"All our patents are also going to OIN."	Nov 07 22:27
schestowitz	"This is a different standstill. No cross licensing. No payments."	Nov 07 22:27
schestowitz	Sun also was peaceful, but what happened when Oracle got the patents?	Nov 07 22:28
schestowitz	OIN Oracle...	Nov 07 22:28
schestowitz	I asked Red hat this several years ago, no assurance if Red Hat gets sold (it's not too expensive for some OEMs to devour, with MBAs who don't care about Linux signing the deal)	Nov 07 22:28
schestowitz	Novell was in OIN and the patents are now in CPTN (Oracle, Microsoft, Apple)	Nov 07 22:29
MinceR	i doubt deadrat will end up any better than novell did	Nov 07 22:29
schestowitz	"All our patents are also going to OIN."	Nov 07 22:29
schestowitz	"This is a different standstill. No cross licensing. No payments."	Nov 07 22:30
schestowitz	"Not even acceptance of validity."	Nov 07 22:30
schestowitz	"I'll try to get more details in the open."	Nov 07 22:30
schestowitz	"Yep. And I cannot garantuee we might not get bought. But IMHO it's never going to happen."	Nov 07 22:30
schestowitz	"But now I'm off to get some sleep."	Nov 07 22:30
schestowitz	Explain this to Jim. We need "Open"	Nov 07 22:30
schestowitz	"Gartner event in Barcelona next week. Analyst meetings."	Nov 07 22:30
schestowitz	Greedy bastards (Gartner)	Nov 07 22:30
schestowitz	"Gartner event in Barcelona next week. Analyst meetings."	Nov 07 22:31
schestowitz	"Guess what they want to talk about ;-)"	Nov 07 22:31
schestowitz	*It's called "gartner tax"	Nov 07 22:31
schestowitz	Not my term, people use it to mean money you pay those scumbags to make sure they stay on the good side of you... that's their biz model	Nov 07 22:32
schestowitz	"And I'll meet Jim there. I will ask."	Nov 07 22:32
schestowitz	"But now I'm off to get some sleep."	Nov 07 22:32
schestowitz	"Yep. And I cannot garantuee we might not get bought. But IMHO it's never going to happen."	Nov 07 22:32
schestowitz	"Yep. But giving out loads of red hats so people wear them at the sponsor party paid by Microsoft is worth it ;-)"	Nov 07 22:33
schestowitz	Oh dear..	Nov 07 22:33
schestowitz	"At least for me :-)"	Nov 07 22:33
schestowitz	I know what happens when people get into symbolism, uniform, tribalism	Nov 07 22:33
schestowitz	"They complained bitterly last year."	Nov 07 22:33
MinceR	yes, it will help drive the point that m$ and ratcrap are best buddies now	Nov 07 22:33
MinceR	+home	Nov 07 22:34
schestowitz	yeah	Nov 07 22:34
schestowitz	like Hovsepian	Nov 07 22:34
schestowitz	ewww	Nov 07 22:34
schestowitz	"All of the photos they got from the floor were filled with red hats."	Nov 07 22:34
schestowitz	That's just branding, let's see gnus	Nov 07 22:34
schestowitz	"I even have a Shadowman tattoo ;-)"	Nov 07 22:34
schestowitz	"No gnu on my sacred body :-)'	Nov 07 22:35
schestowitz	That's too bad, RMS would be upset. Anywya, g'night. Good luck opening this up.	Nov 07 22:35
schestowitz	"No gnu on my sacred body :-)"	Nov 07 22:37
schestowitz	"Thanks for the nice chat!"	Nov 07 22:37
schestowitz	--	Nov 07 22:37
schestowitz	over	Nov 07 22:37
schestowitz	MinceR: I think they start to feel the heat	Nov 07 22:37
schestowitz	it's not just about patents but good citizenship	Nov 07 22:37
schestowitz	meaning, not too much silencing of FSF etc.	Nov 07 22:38
schestowitz	remember FSF gets money from them	Nov 07 22:38
schestowitz	so GNU/RMS cannot say much about systemd	Nov 07 22:38
MinceR	well, now they can give the FSF more money	Nov 07 22:38
schestowitz	Linux Foundation has more sponsored	Nov 07 22:38
MinceR	as it has given up its principles already	Nov 07 22:38
schestowitz	But many of Torvalds' colleagues work for Red Hat	Nov 07 22:38
MinceR	and became the Gratis Windows Foundation	Nov 07 22:38
schestowitz	very core parts of the kernel	Nov 07 22:38
schestowitz	Red Hat, I think, is almost worth 20 billion now	Nov 07 22:38
schestowitz	Canonical maybe 80 million?	Nov 07 22:38
MinceR	everything is being fucked up	Nov 07 22:38
schestowitz	Not sure, maybe that's turnover	Nov 07 22:39
MinceR	i wonder when will putin nuke us all	Nov 07 22:39
schestowitz	I doubt it	Nov 07 22:39
schestowitz	MinceR: putin doesn't need to nuke us, his comrades will do a fine job, in due course, with their crappy aging system	Nov 07 22:39
schestowitz	!google jeep accident military nuke truck	Nov 07 22:40
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Caught On Tape: U.S. Army Jeep Rear-Ends A Nuke \| Zero Hedge \| http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-04/caught-tape-us-army-jeep-rear-ends-nuclear-missile-transport	Nov 07 22:40
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Caught On Tape: U.S. Army Jeep Rear-Ends Truck Transporting A ... \| https://voat.co/v/NotTheOnion/comments/636289	Nov 07 22:40
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Caught On Tape: U.S. Army Jeep Rear-Ends A Nuke - Silver For The ... \| http://www.brotherjohnf.com/caught-on-tape-u-s-army-jeep-rear-ends-a-nuke/	Nov 07 22:40
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - List of accidents and incidents involving military aircraft (1960–74 ... \| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_military_aircraft_(1960%25E2%2580%259374)	Nov 07 22:40
schestowitz	Even the US can't do it right	Nov 07 22:40
MinceR	it would speed along the extinction of humanity just fine, though	Nov 07 22:40
schestowitz	passing nukes past main roads like it's some fedex delivery surrounded by armoured vehicles	Nov 07 22:40
MinceR	well, it's not like nukes are important to defend	Nov 07 22:41
MinceR	unlike important politicians	Nov 07 22:41
schestowitz	important people whose skill is writing and speech-giving?	Nov 07 22:46
schestowitz	People who can't make a simple device, write code, or fight?	Nov 07 22:46
schestowitz	Those who call experts and techs "nerds"?	Nov 07 22:46
schestowitz	Politicians are just corporations' vehicles for power	Nov 07 22:46
schestowitz	exploiting or even changing so-called law to get more for themselves and less/nothing for everybody else	Nov 07 22:47
MinceR	yes, important people whose only skill is persuading other people to fuck up life for everybody	Nov 07 22:47
MinceR	ironic how the typical human paralyzing fear of death may well lead to the death of all humans (via religion)	Nov 07 22:49
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/663128754311532545	Nov 07 23:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: +1 https://t.co/35zpwqr5Js		Nov 07 23:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Watching the story of Swartz inspired me to continue my activism against #censorship and against bullying designed to impede #freespeech		Nov 07 23:05
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Reconquista1970/status/663141748709974016	Nov 07 23:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Reconquista1970: @schestowitz They rage against capitalism with their iPhones, designer clothes and mass produced Guy Fawkes masks. #bellends		Nov 07 23:57
schestowitz	They should rage against capitalism naked, with rocks, stones, and very thick ash stains for anonymity???	Nov 07 23:57
MinceR	they shouldn't rage against capitalism, they should rage against things that exist	Nov 07 23:58
MinceR	they should rage against oppression, exploitation, unfree markets, monopoly exploitation, etc.	Nov 07 23:59
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pixeldyne_sys: @schestowitz Cybercloud Security for the Information Superhighway :)		Nov 01 06:27
schestowitz	msb_: agreed	Nov 01 06:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Allwinner A10 DRM Display Support Being Worked	Nov 01 06:28
TweetTuxMachines	On https://t.co/CMS5mNHn2H (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 01 06:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Allwinner A10 DRM Display Support Being Worked On - Phoronix		Nov 01 06:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Thoughts on the LG G Watch R Android smartwatch	Nov 01 06:28
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/spSQhopD7t (www.earth.li)	Nov 01 06:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.earth.li \| Thoughts on the LG G Watch R Android smartwatch		Nov 01 06:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Frameworks keeps proving that KDE project was	Nov 01 06:34
TweetTuxMachines	right https://t.co/21JShJvcOG	Nov 01 06:34
TweetTuxMachines	(www.heliocastro.info)	Nov 01 06:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.heliocastro.info \| Frameworks keeps proving that KDE project was right \| Helio Castro Personal Space		Nov 01 06:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines An Introduction to Uncomplicated Firewall (UFW)	Nov 01 06:34
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/exa7wsQqTj (www.linux.com)	Nov 01 06:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linux.com \| An Introduction to Uncomplicated Firewall (UFW) \| Linux.com		Nov 01 06:34
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Are The Open-Source Graphics Drivers Good	Nov 01 06:34
TweetTuxMachines	Enough For Steam Linux Gaming?	Nov 01 06:34
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/NJxKtnHxtZ (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 01 06:34
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Are The Open-Source Graphics Drivers Good Enough For Steam Linux Gaming? - Phoronix		Nov 01 06:34
schestowitz	"probly"	Nov 01 06:35
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6764831	Nov 01 06:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #nsa still above and beyond the law http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/29/nsa-phone-surveillance-usa-freedom-act-transition http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/29/nsa_one_more_month_illegal_spying/ http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/10/29/us-usa-security-nsa-idUKKCN0SN1VI20151029 http://uk.businessinsider.com/r-us-wont-halt-nsa-phone-spying-program-ahead-of-ban-2015-10?r=US&IR=T		Nov 01 06:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com \| US court refuses to stop NSA phone surveillance during 180-day 'transition' \| US news \| The Guardian		Nov 01 06:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theregister.co.uk \| NSA can keep illegally spying on Americans into November • The Register		Nov 01 06:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> uk.reuters.com \| U.S. court will not halt NSA phone spy program before ban \| Reuters		Nov 01 06:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> uk.businessinsider.com \| US court won't speed up the end of NSA phone spying - Business Insider		Nov 01 06:35
schestowitz	"explain, or link svp"	Nov 01 06:35
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6766709	Nov 01 06:35
schestowitz	Didn't see an article, but they did this to my wife last night...	Nov 01 06:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #google is now forcing (hostage situation/ransom) to consent to new #privacy violating policy or be denied access to #chromeOS i.e. one's PC		Nov 01 06:36
msb_	schestowitz: cubexyz: Can google shut down chromebooks/boxes remotely against the owner's wishes?	Nov 01 06:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Meet the man behind CarPlay and Android Auto at	Nov 01 06:42
TweetTuxMachines	GM https://t.co/qmSbZt8I4G (www.theverge.com)	Nov 01 06:42
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com \| Meet the man behind CarPlay and Android Auto at GM \| The Verge		Nov 01 06:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines MPV 0.12.0 Video Player Changes the Default	Nov 01 06:43
TweetTuxMachines	Format for youtube-dl, Supports Wayland	Nov 01 06:43
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/9yVaBnQGRR (news.softpedia.com)	Nov 01 06:43
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| MPV 0.12.0 Video Player Changes the Default Format for youtube-dl, Supports Wayland - Softpedia		Nov 01 06:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines CPU/GPU Usage Between NVIDIA & AMD Linux	Nov 01 06:47
TweetTuxMachines	Drivers	Nov 01 06:47
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/D3vYr4LZca (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 01 06:47
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| CPU/GPU Usage Between NVIDIA & AMD Linux Drivers - Phoronix		Nov 01 06:47
*TweetTuxMachines @softpedialinux favourited 'MPV 0.12.0 Video Player Changes the Default Format...'		Nov 01 06:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23 Reaches Gold, Launches on November 3	Nov 01 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/HcP8dfCjSC (linux.softpedia.com)	Nov 01 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	#f23	Nov 01 06:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Fedora 23 Reaches Gold, Launches on November 3 - Softpedia		Nov 01 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Importance of Open Source in Root	Nov 01 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/U226gyDF7U	Nov 01 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	(www.xda-developers.com)	Nov 01 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/4Y0ovS2wz6 (www.androidpolice.com)	Nov 01 06:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.xda-developers.com \| The Importance of Open Source in Root - XDA Forums		Nov 01 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/vXKiKbBKVR	Nov 01 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	(www.androidauthority.com)	Nov 01 06:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidpolice.com \| Chainfire Experiment Achieves Android Root Without Touching The /System Partition		Nov 01 06:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.androidauthority.com \| Chainfire cooks up "systemless" Marshmallow root		Nov 01 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines AMD Stoney APU Support Is Going Into The Linux	Nov 01 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	4.4 Kernel https://t.co/0pspvX1ndL	Nov 01 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Nov 01 06:50
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| AMD Stoney APU Support Is Going Into The Linux 4.4 Kernel - Phoronix		Nov 01 06:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google needs to change 2 major things in its	Nov 01 06:55
TweetTuxMachines	radical reimagining of Android	Nov 01 06:55
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/otLZcS4OYD (www.techinsider.io)	Nov 01 06:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techinsider.io \| Google Android apps and security on Chromebook - Tech Insider		Nov 01 06:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines iOS 9 vs. Android 6 – Which Operating System	Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	Rules? https://t.co/b9Eu068c6c	Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	(www.valuewalk.com)	Nov 01 06:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.valuewalk.com \| iOS 9 vs. Android 6 - Which Operating System Rules?		Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines My ARM grab bag device list	Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/WaojAKIA0S (nullr0ute.com) arm on	Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	the rise. With Linux....	Nov 01 06:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-nullr0ute.com \| My ARM grab bag device list \| nullr0ute's blog		Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Wear on iPhone Review: 2 Months Later	Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/5ixoGumBoU (www.gottabemobile.com)	Nov 01 06:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gottabemobile.com \| Android Wear on iPhone Review: 2 Months Later		Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google Android for Work Update Aims to Make	Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	Mobile Device Set-Up Easy	Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/5rqidr6fU7 (www.eweek.com)	Nov 01 06:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eweek.com \| Google Android for Work Update Aims to Make Mobile Device Set-Up Easy		Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Puzzle Platformer 'Adventures Of Shuggy'	Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	Released For Linux On Steam	Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/AkVIFnvcie (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Nov 01 06:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Puzzle Platformer 'Adventures Of Shuggy' Released For Linux On Steam \| GamingOnLinux		Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Intel Is Working On Linux Encryption For AVX2	Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	CPUs, Up To 5.8x Throughput	Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/VfS864XGWl (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 01 06:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Intel Is Working On Faster Linux Encryption For AVX2 CPUs, Up To 5.8x Throughput - Phoronix		Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.3 Is Near With Its Polished Intel	Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	Skylake Support & More https://t.co/ObVvbjZxKl	Nov 01 06:56
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Nov 01 06:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Vendetta Online 1.8.357-358 update is here	Nov 01 07:03
TweetTuxMachines	for... Android, GNU/Linux"	Nov 01 07:03
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/VzBoEGynYR (news.softpedia.com)	Nov 01 07:03
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Vendetta Online 3D Space Combat Game Gets Halloween Release with Many Android Fixes - Softpedia		Nov 01 07:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Size Of The Different Open-Source Linux	Nov 01 07:03
TweetTuxMachines	DRM/Mesa Graphics Drivers	Nov 01 07:03
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/YnpyzZM5pk (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 01 07:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Want To Be A Fisherman? #FishingPlanet Is	Nov 01 07:09
TweetTuxMachines	Planning A Linux Release	Nov 01 07:09
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/B6nKvtKdk4 (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Nov 01 07:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Want To Be A Fisherman? Fishing Planet Is Planning A Linux Release \| GamingOnLinux		Nov 01 07:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GENIVI compliant Linux automotive stack does	Nov 01 07:09
TweetTuxMachines	ADAS https://t.co/lU9ApTEPh9 (linuxgizmos.com)	Nov 01 07:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| GENIVI compliant Linux automotive stack does ADAS · LinuxGizmos.com		Nov 01 07:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23 packages now live	Nov 01 07:09
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/mTFQcQKSL7 (negativo17.org)	Nov 01 07:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-negativo17.org \| Fedora 23 packages now live \| negativo17		Nov 01 07:09
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*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012		Nov 02 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DJI uses Linux for drones	Nov 02 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/seerb7nzcO (techcrunch.com)	Nov 02 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/ENOCJQ9Ttb (www.pcworld.com)	Nov 02 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/9XLzLOZACy (www.engadget.com)	Nov 02 21:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com \| DJI Teams Up With Canonical To Launch Embedded Computer For Drones \| TechCrunch		Nov 02 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/1HXblBtscp (toxcy.com)	Nov 02 21:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcworld.com \| This hardware development platform can fly -- literally \| PCWorld		Nov 02 21:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.engadget.com \| DJI wants you to build sentient drones with its tiny computer		Nov 02 21:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-toxcy.com \| DJI Manifold computer is meant to control a drone \| Toxcy		Nov 02 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Inside Canonical: the creators of Ubuntu have	Nov 02 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	big plans for the future	Nov 02 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/zbxUVT58Sn (www.alphr.com)	Nov 02 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o86tm	Nov 02 21:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.alphr.com \| Inside Canonical: the creators of Ubuntu have big plans for the future \| Alphr		Nov 02 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Keeping Linux Clean https://t.co/x7IY0Mvvg0	Nov 02 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 02 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o86tn	Nov 02 21:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Keeping Linux Clean \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New DJI drone computer runs Ubuntu on Tegra,	Nov 02 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	has open SDK https://t.co/Oe1YPvU9Ix	Nov 02 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 02 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o86tp	Nov 02 21:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| New DJI drone computer runs Ubuntu on Tegra, has open SDK \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 21:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Inside Canonical: the creators of Ubuntu have	Nov 02 21:50
TweetTuxMachines	big plans for the future	Nov 02 21:50
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/kO6gHLVrVo (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 02 21:50
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o86tq	Nov 02 21:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Inside Canonical: the creators of Ubuntu have big plans for the future \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 21:50
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kodi 16.0 to Ship with Multi-Touch Support for	Nov 02 22:14
TweetTuxMachines	Linux https://t.co/zy6y0fQAF5	Nov 02 22:14
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 02 22:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o86zi	Nov 02 22:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Kodi 16.0 to Ship with Multi-Touch Support for Linux \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 22:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Solus Has a Really Good Week, Gets First RC and	Nov 02 22:14
TweetTuxMachines	Firefox Compliance https://t.co/XYhgjj4hOv	Nov 02 22:14
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 02 22:14
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o86zj	Nov 02 22:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Solus Has a Really Good Week, Gets First RC and Firefox Compliance \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 22:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Trying out Linux can be simple	Nov 02 22:15
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/MJ0uI5C1ov	Nov 02 22:15
TweetTuxMachines	(www.eastbourneherald.co.uk)	Nov 02 22:15
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o86zk	Nov 02 22:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eastbourneherald.co.uk \| Trying out Linux can be simple - Eastbourne Herald		Nov 02 22:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linus Torvalds launches Linux kernel 4.3	Nov 02 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/6Fikveo3WO	Nov 02 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	(www.computerweekly.com) distraction:	Nov 02 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/TBjVy4AC9H (gizmodo.com)	Nov 02 22:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.computerweekly.com \| Linus Torvalds launches Linux kernel 4.3 - Open Source Insider		Nov 02 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o875j	Nov 02 22:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gizmodo.com \| You Don't Need To Understand Programming to Appreciate This Awesome Rant		Nov 02 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Inside BlackBerry's last-ditch plan to win you	Nov 02 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	back with Android https://t.co/3oHP6jhoFs	Nov 02 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	(www.cnet.com)	Nov 02 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o875k	Nov 02 22:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnet.com \| Inside BlackBerry's last-ditch plan to win you back with Android - CNET		Nov 02 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Solus Has a Really Good Week, Gets First RC and	Nov 02 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	Firefox Compliance https://t.co/ly4gEzVC9Y	Nov 02 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Nov 02 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o875l	Nov 02 22:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Solus Has a Really Good Week, Gets First RC and Firefox Compliance - Softpedia		Nov 02 22:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenELEC 6.0 Arrives with Linux Kernel 4.1,	Nov 02 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	Drops 32-bit Builds https://t.co/dw3P0FlWYY	Nov 02 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Nov 02 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o876a	Nov 02 22:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| OpenELEC 6.0 Arrives with Linux Kernel 4.1, Drops 32-bit Builds - Softpedia		Nov 02 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro 15.09 (Bellatrix) Now Has Working AMD	Nov 02 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	Catalyst Drivers for Linux Kernel 4.2	Nov 02 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/VTtKCsxu52 (news.softpedia.com)	Nov 02 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o876b	Nov 02 22:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Manjaro 15.09 (Bellatrix) Now Has Working AMD Catalyst Drivers for Linux Kernel 4.2 - Softpedia		Nov 02 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Facebook forces some workers to switch from	Nov 02 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	iPhone to Android to reflect majority of users	Nov 02 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	& new markets https://t.co/tmF4AdvUbK	Nov 02 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	(appleinsider.com)	Nov 02 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o876c	Nov 02 22:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-appleinsider.com \| Facebook forces some workers to switch from iPhone to Android to reflect majority of users & new markets		Nov 02 22:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Daniel Craig resisted Android phone placement	Nov 02 22:57
TweetTuxMachines	in "Spectre" because "James Bond only uses the	Nov 02 22:57
TweetTuxMachines	best" https://t.co/cTcIMPsTok	Nov 02 22:57
TweetTuxMachines	(appleinsider.com)	Nov 02 22:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8773	Nov 02 22:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-appleinsider.com \| Daniel Craig resisted Android phone placement in "Spectre" because "James Bond only uses the best"		Nov 02 22:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Best Android smartphones for work and play:	Nov 02 22:58
TweetTuxMachines	November 2015 edition https://t.co/9q2aFGF0A5	Nov 02 22:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.zdnet.com)	Nov 02 22:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8774	Nov 02 22:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Best Android smartphones for work and play: November 2015 edition \| ZDNet		Nov 02 22:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines fedora Release Dates: It’s On-Time When It’s	Nov 02 22:58
TweetTuxMachines	Ready https://t.co/W1WAQmJnGQ (fossforce.com)	Nov 02 22:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8775	Nov 02 22:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fossforce.com \| Release Dates: It's On-Time When It's Ready \| FOSS Force		Nov 02 22:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines PSA: Do NOT upgrade FreeIPA servers to Fedora	Nov 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	23 yet https://t.co/5yF7QnAU5T	Nov 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	(www.happyassassin.net)	Nov 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o87ao	Nov 02 23:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://www.happyassassin.net/2015/11/01/psa-do-not-upgrade-freeipa-servers-to-fedora-23-yet/ )		Nov 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23: A walk through my favorite Linux	Nov 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	installer - Anaconda https://t.co/1sIR6bxNMG	Nov 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	(www.zdnet.com)	Nov 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o87ap	Nov 02 23:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Fedora 23: A walk through my favorite Linux installer - Anaconda \| ZDNet		Nov 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How To Join The Power Linux Evolution	Nov 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/oQdlRpSXWb (www.itjungle.com)	Nov 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o87aq	Nov 02 23:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itjungle.com \| The Four Hundred--How To Join The Power Linux Evolution		Nov 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Where to find high-quality, Linux-compatible	Nov 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	music https://t.co/J8kUi3yuVl (opensource.com)	Nov 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o87ar	Nov 02 23:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-opensource.com \| Linux-compatible places to get high-quality digital music \| Opensource.com		Nov 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines European Parliament wants EU institutions to	Nov 02 23:16
TweetTuxMachines	switch to open source https://t.co/3H84uQYLP2	Nov 02 23:17
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 02 23:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o87at	Nov 02 23:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| European Parliament wants EU institutions to switch to open source \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 23:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How To Join The Power Linux Evolution	Nov 02 23:17
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/iBPsYjItSz (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 02 23:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o87au	Nov 02 23:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How To Join The Power Linux Evolution \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 23:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Where to find high-quality, Linux-compatible	Nov 02 23:17
TweetTuxMachines	music https://t.co/CC72DO4yS5	Nov 02 23:17
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 02 23:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o87av	Nov 02 23:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Where to find high-quality, Linux-compatible music \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 23:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How can you make a drone better? Install Linux	Nov 02 23:23
TweetTuxMachines	on it! https://t.co/LXwOZBP2M0	Nov 02 23:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 02 23:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o87c4	Nov 02 23:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| How can you make a drone better? Install Linux on it! \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 23:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNU Hurd 0.7, GNU Mach 1.6, GNU MIG 1.6	Nov 02 23:23
TweetTuxMachines	released https://t.co/GGBHO9UGfo	Nov 02 23:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 02 23:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o87c6	Nov 02 23:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GNU Hurd 0.7, GNU Mach 1.6, GNU MIG 1.6 released \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 23:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Best #android phones list	Nov 02 23:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/C5Ka4Mj4Ew (www.geeksnack.com)	Nov 02 23:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o87c7	Nov 02 23:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geeksnack.com \| Best Android phones of 2015 so far - GeekSnack		Nov 02 23:23
schestowitz	"systemd people are not willing to play nice with the rest of the world. Therefore there is no reason for the rest of the world to cooperate with them."	Nov 02 23:23
*TweetTuxMachines @pkoutoupis favourited 'Linux 4.3-rc7 https://t.co/lgaURXqRzj'		Nov 02 23:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux 4.3-rc7 \| Tux Machines		Nov 02 23:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open Source R Code to Get New Hub with Help	Nov 02 23:33
TweetTuxMachines	from the Linux Foundation	Nov 02 23:33
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/IU1GBedXZd (thevarguy.com)	Nov 02 23:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o87e5	Nov 02 23:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thevarguy.com \| Open Source R Code to Get New Hub with Help from the Linux Foundation \| Open Source Application Software Companies content from The VAR Guy		Nov 02 23:33
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XFaCE	[10:59:47]<cubexyz> Basic Linux 3 uses busybox so init is built-in	Nov 03 00:21
XFaCE	what about Alpine Linux?	Nov 03 00:21
cubexyz	how can you be not here? :)	Nov 03 00:22
cubexyz	anyways BL3 uses a very compact system using an old 2.2 kernel and a smaller version of X	Nov 03 00:23
cubexyz	any other distro that uses busybox should also have the built-in init	Nov 03 00:23
cubexyz	oh wait a sec	Nov 03 00:24
cubexyz	looks like alpine uses OpenRC	Nov 03 00:24
cubexyz	still, Alpine looks like a decent non-systemd distro	Nov 03 00:25
cubexyz	Alpine does look interesting with musl libc, I will try it sometime	Nov 03 00:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Doorways: Holy Mountains Of Flesh, An Immersive	Nov 03 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	Horror Adventure Now On Linux	Nov 03 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/SnlvFRtHVb (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Nov 03 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89c6	Nov 03 09:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Doorways: Holy Mountains Of Flesh, An Immersive Horror Adventure Now On Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Nov 03 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Voxel Blast, A Really Retro 3D Space Shooter	Nov 03 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	With Cool Music Now On Linux	Nov 03 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/IZ90aZ3tjG (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Nov 03 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89c7	Nov 03 09:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Voxel Blast, A Really Retro 3D Space Shooter With Cool Music Now On Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Nov 03 09:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Turn nearly any laptop into a Chromebook for	Nov 03 09:13
TweetTuxMachines	free https://t.co/neGspbPWID (www.zdnet.com)	Nov 03 09:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89c8	Nov 03 09:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Turn nearly any laptop into a Chromebook for free \| ZDNet		Nov 03 09:13
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/RavenXV/status/661478978767728640 https://twitter.com/RavenXV/status/661479311015309312 https://twitter.com/RavenXV/status/661480980994240512	Nov 03 09:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RavenXV: .@laurelrusswurm Yep, tho' the "mass" surveillance becomes narrow & nefarious @alastairsloan @schestowitz https://t.co/6xtChbHwa0		Nov 03 09:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RavenXV: .@laurelrusswurm & we get told Democratic States eg:UK conduct the same for the same ends @alastairsloan @schestowitz		Nov 03 09:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RavenXV: .@schestowitz And they (UK Govt / GCHQ) wonders why we here think they are all shit @laurelrusswurm @alastairsloan https://t.co/Lp01HZuHaR		Nov 03 09:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The good, the bad and the Ubuntu 15.10	Nov 03 09:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/m76V7o1Rdu (distrowatch.com)	Nov 03 09:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89gx	Nov 03 09:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-distrowatch.com \| DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD.		Nov 03 09:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 4MLinux 14.0 Screenshot Tour	Nov 03 09:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/RUxFwIXZoi	Nov 03 09:56
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linuxscreenshots.org)	Nov 03 09:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89gy	Nov 03 09:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxscreenshots.org \| 4MLinux 14.0 Screenshot Tour		Nov 03 09:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 3/11/2015: Linux 4.3, OpenELEC 6.0	Nov 03 09:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/QjynsPcAmn (techrights.org)	Nov 03 09:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89gz	Nov 03 09:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 3/11/2015: Linux 4.3, OpenELEC 6.0 \| Techrights		Nov 03 09:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Huawei Watch review: the best Android Wear	Nov 03 09:58
TweetTuxMachines	smartwatch https://t.co/L1pS9vJKLc	Nov 03 09:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theguardian.com)	Nov 03 09:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89h7	Nov 03 09:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com \| Huawei Watch review: the best Android Wear smartwatch \| Technology \| The Guardian		Nov 03 09:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Announcing the Fedora Developer Portal	Nov 03 09:59
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/FTHDM4HHma (fedoramagazine.org)	Nov 03 09:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89hb	Nov 03 09:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org \| Announcing the Fedora Developer Portal - Fedora Magazine		Nov 03 09:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/nnD4802A7R	Nov 03 09:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 09:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89he	Nov 03 09:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 09:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/l8Acl1XQSb	Nov 03 09:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 09:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89hf	Nov 03 09:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 09:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/YeocYeVKxC	Nov 03 09:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 09:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89hg	Nov 03 09:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 09:59
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/pensadorlouco/status/661482272357539840	Nov 03 09:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/EFF7eSWFTx	Nov 03 09:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 09:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@pensadorlouco: Linus Torvalds fires off angry ‘compiler-masturbation’ rant https://t.co/cE8xsrFHGO #linux #techrights		Nov 03 09:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89hh	Nov 03 09:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> linkis.com \| Linus Torvalds fires off angry ‘compiler-masturbation’ rant \| Full Circle Magazine - Linkis.com		Nov 03 10:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's leftovers \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 10:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Whats New for You This November in Open Source	Nov 03 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	CMS https://t.co/L4wioiyDdX	Nov 03 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89ke	Nov 03 10:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Whats New for You This November in Open Source CMS \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The return of kwin_gles https://t.co/cSEUCWqZS3	Nov 03 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	(blog.martin-graesslin.com)	Nov 03 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89kf	Nov 03 10:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.martin-graesslin.com \| The return of kwin_gles \| Martin's Blog		Nov 03 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Cinnamon 2.8 released! https://t.co/JbO0CJu3eA	Nov 03 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	(segfault.linuxmint.com)	Nov 03 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89kg	Nov 03 10:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-segfault.linuxmint.com \| Cinnamon 2.8 released! ← Segfault		Nov 03 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Chromixium OS 1.5 Screencast and Screenshots	Nov 03 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/x5CswJ9Ovh	Nov 03 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	(www.linuxquestions.org)	Nov 03 10:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89kh	Nov 03 10:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxquestions.org \| Chromixium OS 1.5 Screencast and Screenshots		Nov 03 10:31
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schestowitz	A bit older	Nov 03 10:58
schestowitz	http://earthsky.org/todays-image/fires-in-indonesia	Nov 03 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-earthsky.org \| Fires in Indonesia spread smoke \| Today's Image \| EarthSky		Nov 03 10:58
schestowitz	"Notice on the map they have also started fires over in PNG I've avoided products with palm oil for a long time now." -iophk	Nov 03 10:58
schestowitz	> x http://www.svd.se/5-saker-bill-gates-forutspadde-1999	Nov 03 11:03
schestowitz	>	Nov 03 11:03
schestowitz	> More bill-the-visionary revisionism	Nov 03 11:03
schestowitz	One day children will grow up not to know he ever was "controversial"	Nov 03 11:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.svd.se \| 5 saker Bill Gates förutspådde 1999 \| SvD		Nov 03 11:03
schestowitz	> http://business.financialpost.com/business-insider/people-in-sweden-are-hiding-cash-in-their-microwaves-because-of-a-fascinating-and-terrifying-economic-experiment	Nov 03 11:07
schestowitz	>	Nov 03 11:07
schestowitz	> Have you checked your service charges lately?	Nov 03 11:07
schestowitz	Virtually non-existent in the US, except the low interest on money they lend out to reckless people	Nov 03 11:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-business.financialpost.com \| People in Sweden are hiding cash in their microwaves because of a fascinating — and terrifying — economic experiment \| Financial Post		Nov 03 11:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf review - Fast and	Nov 03 11:12
TweetTuxMachines	spurious https://t.co/ZDUwKhFcSi	Nov 03 11:12
TweetTuxMachines	(www.dedoimedo.com)	Nov 03 11:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89oc	Nov 03 11:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dedoimedo.com \| Ubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf review - Fast and spurious		Nov 03 11:12
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 3/11/2015: Linux 4.3, OpenELEC 6.0	Nov 03 11:12
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by https://t.co/QjynsPcAmn (techrights.org)	Nov 03 11:12
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz	Nov 03 11:12
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89lz	Nov 03 11:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 3/11/2015: Linux 4.3, OpenELEC 6.0 \| Techrights		Nov 03 11:12
schestowitz	>>> x http://www.svd.se/5-saker-bill-gates-forutspadde-1999	Nov 03 11:25
schestowitz	>>> >>	Nov 03 11:25
schestowitz	>>> >> More bill-the-visionary revisionism	Nov 03 11:25
schestowitz	>> >	Nov 03 11:25
schestowitz	>> > One day children will grow up not to know he ever was "controversial"	Nov 03 11:25
schestowitz	> Well, he did single handedly invent the Internet with his own hands...	Nov 03 11:25
schestowitz	> or so I get the impression. :P	Nov 03 11:25
schestowitz	I can't think of an effective way to counter this with articles, without linking to such puff pieces and giving them hits.	Nov 03 11:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Announcing Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2	Nov 03 11:25
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/IxLjdTwtfv (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 11:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89q2	Nov 03 11:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Announcing Apache OpenOffice 4.1.2 \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 11:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenStack Summit: From Containers to Gaming as	Nov 03 11:25
TweetTuxMachines	a Service https://t.co/eFMeoOOauz	Nov 03 11:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 11:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89q3	Nov 03 11:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| OpenStack Summit: From Containers to Gaming as a Service \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 11:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf review - Fast and	Nov 03 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	spurious https://t.co/JEUmsDxlSz	Nov 03 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89q4	Nov 03 11:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu 15.10 Wily Werewolf review - Fast and spurious \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Flavors Comparison: Ubuntu 15.10 vs	Nov 03 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	Kubuntu 15.10 vs Ubuntu GNOME 15.10	Nov 03 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/nIL9B6IuV4 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89q6	Nov 03 11:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Flavors Comparison: Ubuntu 15.10 vs Kubuntu 15.10 vs Ubuntu GNOME 15.10 \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Five Open-Source Slack Alternatives	Nov 03 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/HzFw4sV94d (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 11:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89q7	Nov 03 11:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Five Open-Source Slack Alternatives \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 11:26
*TweetTuxMachines @Infiniscene favourited 'OpenStack Summit: From Containers to Gaming as a...'		Nov 03 11:47
*TweetTuxMachines @Infiniscene followed @tuxmachines		Nov 03 11:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Flavors Comparison: Ubuntu 15.10 vs	Nov 03 11:47
TweetTuxMachines	Kubuntu 15.10 vs Ubuntu GNOME 15.10	Nov 03 11:47
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/NupytDdGPj (www.hecticgeek.com)	Nov 03 11:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89rt	Nov 03 11:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hecticgeek.com \| Ubuntu Flavors Comparison: Ubuntu 15.10 vs Kubuntu 15.10 vs Ubuntu GNOME 15.10		Nov 03 11:47
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/drtocqueville/status/661510472915660800	Nov 03 11:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@drtocqueville: @schestowitz Translation: merging the OSes will facilitate easier #metadata collation for NSA & #GCHQ #privacysellouts @corporategreed		Nov 03 11:53
schestowitz	I don't think it would truly ease this process	Nov 03 11:53
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jurasick/status/661510703354916865	Nov 03 11:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jurasick: The ultimate example of turning people into slaves! https://t.co/ae5XheVqsz #NoAgendaShow		Nov 03 11:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: People in Sweden are hiding cash in their microwaves because of a fascinating — and terrifying — economic experiment https://t.co/3RQkhhr6qX		Nov 03 11:54
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/inkchug/status/661514737285505024	Nov 03 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@inkchug: I prefer Windows 7. For the last month+ my computer fails at installing KB3097617. Driving me crazy. #t https://t.co/neeDBWAhmk		Nov 03 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Microsoft Admits Windows 10 Automatic Spying Cannot Be Stopped https://t.co/cWW45syOxw #vista10		Nov 03 12:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Top Android Remote Apps >	Nov 03 13:04
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/7WO80X8yXa (www.datamation.com)	Nov 03 13:04
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89yf	Nov 03 13:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.datamation.com \| Top Android Remote Apps - Datamation		Nov 03 13:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Where’s My Marshmallow? When Will You Be	Nov 03 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	Getting The Android Marshmallow Update?	Nov 03 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/XVT125Y8iO	Nov 03 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.knowyourmobile.com)	Nov 03 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89yg	Nov 03 13:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.knowyourmobile.com \| Where’s My Marshmallow? When Will You Be Getting The Android Marshmallow Update? \| Know Your Mobile		Nov 03 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Leftovers https://t.co/x0FgYorVd0	Nov 03 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o89yh	Nov 03 13:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Android Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 13:05
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cubexyz	The Microsoft Boosters are simply wrong	Nov 03 19:43
cubexyz	but it's somewhat forgiveable that younger people think Microsoft invented PCs	Nov 03 19:44
cubexyz	it's not true of course	Nov 03 19:44
cubexyz	the Microsoft employee's may have deluded themselves into thinking that but it's false	Nov 03 19:45
cubexyz	what we call the PC was invented by IBM and Intel	Nov 03 19:45
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cubexyz	the PC clone? Invented by Columbia Data Products and Compaq	Nov 03 19:46
cubexyz	TCP/IP stack? from BSD	Nov 03 19:48
cubexyz	just think about Unix for a second...	Nov 03 19:53
cubexyz	BSD had a TCP/IP stack in 1983	Nov 03 19:53
cubexyz	that's 2 years before windows 1.0 existed	Nov 03 19:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Upgrading from Fedora 22 to Fedora 23	Nov 03 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/6QuG2txKm6 (fedoramagazine.org)	Nov 03 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8bus	Nov 03 20:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org \| Upgrading from Fedora 22 to Fedora 23 - Fedora Magazine		Nov 03 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BlackBerry's New Android Smartphone Could Be	Nov 03 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	Its Last Device https://t.co/0ls5DXAqDQ	Nov 03 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	(www.bloomberg.com)	Nov 03 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8but	Nov 03 20:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bloomberg.com \| BlackBerry's New Android Smartphone Could Be Its Last Device - Bloomberg Business		Nov 03 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Imagining what Google’s hybrid	Nov 03 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	Android-plus-Chrome OS might look like	Nov 03 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/a2Y72IcZK8 (arstechnica.com)	Nov 03 20:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8buu	Nov 03 20:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Imagining what Google’s hybrid Android-plus-Chrome OS might look like \| Ars Technica		Nov 03 20:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines It's a Bird. It's Another Bird!	Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/8kawf8Y5BJ (www.linuxjournal.com)	Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8bxj	Nov 03 20:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxjournal.com \| It's a Bird. It's Another Bird! \| Linux Journal		Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Bomgar Remote Support 15.2 offers new	Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	capabilities for supporting Linux endpoints"	Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/8kawf8Y5BJ (www.linuxjournal.com)	Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8bxk	Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android N UK release date, name and feature	Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	rumours: Can you guess the name of Android 7.0	Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	N? https://t.co/eXhbdEZVe9	Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.pcadvisor.co.uk)	Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8bxl	Nov 03 20:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcadvisor.co.uk \| Android N UK release date, name and feature rumours - New Product - PC Advisor		Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23 released https://t.co/5RzubJhMii	Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	(fedoramagazine.org)	Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8bxm	Nov 03 20:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org \| Fedora 23 released - Fedora Magazine		Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What’s new in Fedora 23 Workstation	Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/E5keeOOr9y (fedoramagazine.org)	Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8bxn	Nov 03 20:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fedoramagazine.org \| What's new in Fedora 23 Workstation - Fedora Magazine		Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Foundation Scholarship Recipient: Enrique	Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	Sevillano https://t.co/wPw3kpriVu	Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8bxo	Nov 03 20:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux Foundation Scholarship Recipient: Enrique Sevillano \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice	Nov 03 20:22
TweetTuxMachines	5.0.3 “fresh” and LibreOffice 4.4.6 “still”	Nov 03 20:22
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/k3YI9N0fI3 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 20:22
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8bxs	Nov 03 20:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 5.0.3 “fresh” and LibreOffice 4.4.6 “still” \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 20:22
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A breakdown of FOSS for students and	Nov 03 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	researchers in academia https://t.co/e5QjEmWSdQ	Nov 03 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8by4	Nov 03 20:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| A breakdown of FOSS for students and researchers in academia \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines In Memory of Telsa Gwynne	Nov 03 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/1CesoqQykE (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8by5	Nov 03 20:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| In Memory of Telsa Gwynne \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Budgie 15.11 Is Based on Budgie 8.3 and	Nov 03 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	It Looks Great https://t.co/JcXnFMTAPK	Nov 03 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 03 20:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8by6	Nov 03 20:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Manjaro Budgie 15.11 Is Based on Budgie 8.3 and It Looks Great \| Tux Machines		Nov 03 20:23
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*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012		Nov 04 01:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wine-Staging 1.7.54 Improves The WIDL Compiler	Nov 04 02:13
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/BcKwSdh14o (www.phoronix.com)	Nov 04 02:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8dhn	Nov 04 02:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Wine-Staging 1.7.54 Improves The WIDL Compiler - Phoronix		Nov 04 02:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open Source Mobile Voter Registration System	Nov 04 02:13
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/2vucBGAtf4 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 02:13
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8dho	Nov 04 02:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Open Source Mobile Voter Registration System \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 02:13
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Phoronix on Linux 4.4 https://t.co/kbt1J7GXTj	Nov 04 03:29
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 03:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8drb	Nov 04 03:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Phoronix on Linux 4.4 \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 03:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Phoronix on Linux 4.3 https://t.co/jvMdBAiNvC	Nov 04 03:29
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 03:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8drc	Nov 04 03:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Phoronix on Linux 4.3 \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 03:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux-based robots will soon deliver packages	Nov 04 03:29
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Er7NUQWTMq (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 03:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8dre	Nov 04 03:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux-based robots will soon deliver packages \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 03:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23 Cinnamon: Screenshots	Nov 04 03:55
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/NWKebAB1H1 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 03:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8dua	Nov 04 03:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Fedora 23 Cinnamon: Screenshots \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 03:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Firefox Version 42.0 https://t.co/aD1nimReGh	Nov 04 03:56
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 03:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8dub	Nov 04 03:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Firefox Version 42.0 \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 03:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines FreeBSD comes to 64-bit ARM	Nov 04 03:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/QvjFOt3yVO (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 03:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8duc	Nov 04 03:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| FreeBSD comes to 64-bit ARM \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 03:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines SUSECon 2015: SUSE joins the Cloud Foundry	Nov 04 03:56
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/4x8wiVZA1S (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 03:56
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8dud	Nov 04 03:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| SUSECon 2015: SUSE joins the Cloud Foundry \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 03:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Gaming on Linux is Here: Install SteamOS Beta	Nov 04 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	Today https://t.co/jmDTVDEY81	Nov 04 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	(www.makeuseof.com) https://t.co/XMkE9L9tDh	Nov 04 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Nov 04 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.makeuseof.com \| Gaming on Linux is Here: Install SteamOS Beta Today		Nov 04 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8f4p	Nov 04 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Steam Linux Usage Increases Slightly, Still Below 1% - Phoronix		Nov 04 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fresh LibreOffice Updates, Fedora 23 Released	Nov 04 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/RKdciFcSJw (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8f4r	Nov 04 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Fresh LibreOffice Updates, Fedora 23 Released \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Gaming on Linux is Here: Install SteamOS Beta	Nov 04 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	Today https://t.co/K2XeaFXCeo	Nov 04 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 11:18
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8f4s	Nov 04 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Gaming on Linux is Here: Install SteamOS Beta Today \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 11:18
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XRevan86	https://news.opensuse.org/2015/11/04/opensuse-leap-42-1-becomes-first-hybrid-distribution	Nov 04 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.opensuse.org \| openSUSE News		Nov 04 12:11
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XRevan86	openSUSE Leap 42.1 release that is.	Nov 04 12:42
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora: The Latest https://t.co/HHC7UgcV49	Nov 04 12:48
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 12:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8fcx	Nov 04 12:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Fedora: The Latest \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 12:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNU/Linux and Free/Libre Software Dominance:	Nov 04 12:48
TweetTuxMachines	What It Comes Down to is Patents	Nov 04 12:48
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/a4n57ZtUKB (techrights.org)	Nov 04 12:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8fcy	Nov 04 12:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| GNU/Linux and Free/Libre Software Dominance: What It Comes Down to is Patents \| Techrights		Nov 04 12:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Quick-turn baseboard dev tool adds third-party	Nov 04 13:37
TweetTuxMachines	COMs, SBCs https://t.co/s0mzWJtW9Q	Nov 04 13:37
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 13:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8fho	Nov 04 13:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Quick-turn baseboard dev tool adds third-party COMs, SBCs \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 13:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines European rural schools rely on open source	Nov 04 13:37
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/pjSgO901nW (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 13:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8fhp	Nov 04 13:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| European rural schools rely on open source \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 13:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines More Fixes Added for Ubuntu Touch OTA-8	Nov 04 13:38
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/TDzz9BpUdI (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 13:38
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8fhr	Nov 04 13:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| More Fixes Added for Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 13:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNU/Linux and Free/Libre Software Dominance:	Nov 04 14:53
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by What It Comes Down to is Patents	Nov 04 14:53
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz https://t.co/a4n57ZtUKB (techrights.org)	Nov 04 14:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8fhv	Nov 04 14:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Quick-turn baseboard dev tool adds third-party	Nov 04 14:53
TweetTuxMachines	COMs, SBCs https://t.co/SBomcFyMUT	Nov 04 14:53
TweetTuxMachines	(linuxgizmos.com)	Nov 04 14:53
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8fq2	Nov 04 14:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com \| Quick-turn baseboard dev tool adds third-party COMs, SBCs · LinuxGizmos.com		Nov 04 14:53
MinceR	so much bullshit	Nov 04 15:15
MinceR	and yet not one fucking word about what these systemd and mono lovers mean by "hybrid distribution"	Nov 04 15:16
MinceR	typical corporate garbage	Nov 04 15:16
XRevan86	MinceR: It's a hybrid from SLE and openSUSE Tumbleweed.	Nov 04 15:22
XRevan86	that's what they meant	Nov 04 15:22
MinceR	"ooh, look at us, we're the first in the world to make a hybrid of our two previous shitty distros!"	Nov 04 15:23
*MinceR spits		Nov 04 15:23
XRevan86	MinceR: ookay	Nov 04 15:31
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines More Fixes Added for Ubuntu Touch OTA-8	Nov 04 15:47
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/OG8VCRK4IJ (news.softpedia.com)	Nov 04 15:47
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/sMBsQIjSIE (news.softpedia.com)	Nov 04 15:47
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8fx6	Nov 04 15:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| More Fixes Added for Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 - Softpedia		Nov 04 15:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Ubuntu Touch on More Phones Would Be a Mistake Right Now, Says Mark Shuttleworth - Softpedia		Nov 04 15:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Review OpenSUSE 42.1 Leap	Nov 04 15:48
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/MXf6H1oiK6 (www.unixmen.com)	Nov 04 15:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8fx7	Nov 04 15:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unixmen.com \| Review OpenSUSE 42.1 Leap \| Unixmen		Nov 04 15:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME’s newcomer guide is improving	Nov 04 15:48
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/mnhRb9I6QY (blogs.gnome.org)	Nov 04 15:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8fx8	Nov 04 15:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://blogs.gnome.org/bastian/2015/11/04/improving-the-newcomers-guide-in-gnome/ )		Nov 04 15:48
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XRevan86	MinceR: By the way, Mono?	Nov 04 16:38
XRevan86	MinceR: Mono and SUSE are unrelated now.	Nov 04 16:38
MinceR	they were pushing pretty hard for it back in the day	Nov 04 16:40
MinceR	now they got in line with another attempt to destroy gnu/linux, systemd	Nov 04 16:40
MinceR	plus their distros always sucked, afaict	Nov 04 16:40
MinceR	i have no respect for them	Nov 04 16:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kubuntu Developers Planning Improvements For	Nov 04 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	16.04 Xenial https://t.co/GkIAWQoZKQ	Nov 04 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Nov 04 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gdp	Nov 04 17:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Kubuntu Developers Planning Improvements For 16.04 Xenial - Phoronix		Nov 04 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat News https://t.co/Dt6W9xWeGh	Nov 04 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gdq	Nov 04 17:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Red Hat News \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kubuntu Developers Planning Improvements For	Nov 04 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	16.04 Xenial https://t.co/1VDh8mf4bD	Nov 04 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 17:25
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gdr	Nov 04 17:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Kubuntu Developers Planning Improvements For 16.04 Xenial \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 17:25
cubexyz	I bet companies try to force everyone into the cloud in the future	Nov 04 18:10
MinceR	indeed	Nov 04 18:13
MinceR	the attempt to destroy general-purpose computers or at least take them out of the hands of most people, including us, is part of that	Nov 04 18:14
MinceR	take the power out of the hands of the people and make them dependent on the megacorporations	Nov 04 18:15
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME’s newcomer guide is improving	Nov 04 18:17
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/ikmm5sKcMY (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 18:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gnu	Nov 04 18:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Kernel, Graphics	Nov 04 18:17
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Oav1RKxia2 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 18:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gnv	Nov 04 18:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| GNOME’s newcomer guide is improving \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 18:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Kernel, Graphics \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 18:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Review OpenSUSE 42.1 Leap	Nov 04 18:17
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/6x8r1W4lLr (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 18:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gnw	Nov 04 18:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Review OpenSUSE 42.1 Leap \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 18:17
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6754934	Nov 04 18:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Veeam announces Backup for Linux http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=147364 #gnu #linux		Nov 04 18:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Couldn't resolve host 'www.itweb.co.za' ( status 0 @ http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=147364 )		Nov 04 18:20
schestowitz	"	Nov 04 18:20
schestowitz	I interviewed once for a job and was asked what backup software I had experience on, so I said tar. Do not remember exactly how it went but was something like: What happens if you want to transfer backups between operating systems? I use tar. And what about compression? tar with gzip. And if you want to schedule backups? tar with cron. And for backing up Windows servers? I do not care, I’m a Linux sysadmin.	Nov 04 18:20
schestowitz	Even so I got the job. =)	Nov 04 18:20
schestowitz	"	Nov 04 18:20
schestowitz	"lol"	Nov 04 18:20
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6779623	Nov 04 18:21
schestowitz	"don’t use Iphone ? It’s the same i suppose with Android, no ?"	Nov 04 18:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The #NSA Can Now Spy On #Apple #iPhones Via Zero Day Hack http://www.bidnessetc.com/56720-the-nsa-can-now-spy-on-apple-iphones-via-zero-day-hack/ solution: don't use one.		Nov 04 18:21
schestowitz	Yes, to a similar degree	Nov 04 18:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.bidnessetc.com \| The NSA Can Now Spy On Apple iPhones Via Zero Day Hack		Nov 04 18:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat Sells Out With a Microsoft Patent Deal	Nov 04 18:23
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/VLON8BbkCB (techrights.org)	Nov 04 18:23
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gow	Nov 04 18:23
*TweetTuxMachines @schestowitz retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Red Hat Sells Out With a Microsoft Patent...'		Nov 04 18:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Red Hat Sells Out With a Microsoft Patent Deal \| Techrights		Nov 04 18:23
cubexyz	no one seems to talk much about the successor to tar which was called dar	Nov 04 18:35
cubexyz	I have to admit I've never bothered with it '	Nov 04 18:35
XRevan86	cubexyz: But tar is perfect.	Nov 04 18:38
*TweetTuxMachines @longtheriverrun followed @tuxmachines		Nov 04 18:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android 6.0 Marshmallow Update Status For Moto	Nov 04 18:39
TweetTuxMachines	X Pure, Moto X Play, Moto G, Moto E	Nov 04 18:39
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/0BwPwndayR (www.ibtimes.com)	Nov 04 18:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gs2	Nov 04 18:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ibtimes.com \| Android 6.0 Marshmallow Update Status For Moto X Pure, Moto X Play, Moto G, Moto E		Nov 04 18:39
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why Google Should Merge Chrome OS and Android	Nov 04 18:39
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/A8bqleOcIK (gadgets.ndtv.com)	Nov 04 18:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gs7	Nov 04 18:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gadgets.ndtv.com \| Why Google Should Merge Chrome OS and Android \| NDTV Gadgets360.com		Nov 04 18:39
MinceR	http://techrights.org/2015/11/04/red-hat-sells-out/	Nov 04 18:50
MinceR	time to call for a boycott against redcrap	Nov 04 18:51
cubexyz	around 2011 Fedora went kind of bad	Nov 04 18:52
MinceR	it was always bad, but not this bad	Nov 04 18:52
cubexyz	that's when I started looking more closely at BSD and slackware	Nov 04 18:52
cubexyz	it wasn't always bad	Nov 04 18:53
MinceR	it was always rpm	Nov 04 18:53
cubexyz	when Yarrow came out back in 2003 I liked it a lot	Nov 04 18:53
MinceR	i wonder when they started using the train wreck known as yum	Nov 04 18:53
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Andalucia’s IT management tool ‘ready for	Nov 04 18:54
TweetTuxMachines	reuse’	Nov 04 18:54
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/QvuRbKtB70 (joinup.ec.europa.eu)	Nov 04 18:54
TweetTuxMachines	"designed to run on the Debian and Ubuntu"	Nov 04 18:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gvo	Nov 04 18:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-joinup.ec.europa.eu \| Andalucia’s IT management tool ‘ready for reuse’ \| Joinup		Nov 04 18:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Top 20 Best Tizen Apps for October 2015	Nov 04 18:54
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/O4JLGXmOLF (www.tizenexperts.com)	Nov 04 18:54
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gvp	Nov 04 18:54
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The best smartwatch for Android	Nov 04 18:55
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/SHRf26QQGz (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 18:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gvu	Nov 04 18:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| The best smartwatch for Android \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 18:55
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Software Centre To Be Replaced in 16.04	Nov 04 18:58
TweetTuxMachines	LTS https://t.co/zyZjGWTRKz	Nov 04 18:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 18:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gwk	Nov 04 18:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu Software Centre To Be Replaced in 16.04 LTS \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 18:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines openSUSE 42.1 Leap Benchmarks	Nov 04 18:58
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/bUhXzSt1JS (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 18:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gwl	Nov 04 18:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| openSUSE 42.1 Leap Benchmarks \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 18:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New Debian Administrator’s Handbook is on its	Nov 04 18:58
TweetTuxMachines	way (now finalised) https://t.co/b8FDE2fkhy	Nov 04 18:58
TweetTuxMachines	(raphaelhertzog.com)	Nov 04 18:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8gwm	Nov 04 18:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-raphaelhertzog.com \| My Free Software Activities in October 2015		Nov 04 18:58
cubexyz	well if you go back far enough there was only tar, and before that just ar and tp	Nov 04 19:01
cubexyz	eventually if you want to maintain an old distro your repos will disappear anyway	Nov 04 19:02
cubexyz	I suppose you could set up your own repo	Nov 04 19:03
cubexyz	I'm quite comfortable using tarballs, compile and install that way	Nov 04 19:04
MinceR	schestowitz: do you have more on this patent deal? the redcrap press release doesn't seem to say anything about patents specifically	Nov 04 19:04
cubexyz	we still use ar today actually... look in /usr/lib	Nov 04 19:05
cubexyz	there's lots of *.a files in there	Nov 04 19:05
cubexyz	yes, it's a shame about Redhat	Nov 04 19:06
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/desktop/fc1-upgraded-desktop-2010.png	Nov 04 19:14
cubexyz	a reminder of happier days	Nov 04 19:14
MinceR	back when kde wasn't shit	Nov 04 19:14
schestowitz	[19:04] <MinceR> schestowitz: do you have more on this patent deal? the redcrap press release doesn't seem to say anything about patents specifically	Nov 04 19:30
schestowitz	You need to look more closely, beyond the PR	Nov 04 19:30
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/661989369872523266	Nov 04 19:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: by the way: use @ownCloud ! https://t.co/e7pvZYZF75		Nov 04 19:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @Wikinaut I did earlier today		Nov 04 19:32
schestowitz	Too much SUSE in it..	Nov 04 19:32
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/661989823977267200	Nov 04 19:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: Where is your special problem, pls. elaborate. https://t.co/OjxMl6BXjH		Nov 04 19:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @Wikinaut @ownCloud Too much SUSE in it..		Nov 04 19:47
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/661990217709146117	Nov 04 19:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: @schestowitz if you say, too much SUSE in ownCloud, is then too much RSA in PGP/GPG and what do you want to do against it ? Going Signal ?		Nov 04 19:47
schestowitz	You need to understand my past with Boycott Novell	Nov 04 19:47
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines A new Android One phone will launch in India	Nov 04 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	soon https://t.co/ATZDh7KFuw	Nov 04 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theverge.com)	Nov 04 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8h88	Nov 04 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com \| A new Android One phone will launch in India soon \| The Verge		Nov 04 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google Says Over 19K Organizations Are Now	Nov 04 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	Testing Or Using Android For Work	Nov 04 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/IqoPPQYwu9 (techcrunch.com)	Nov 04 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8h89	Nov 04 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techcrunch.com \| Google Says Over 19K Organizations Are Now Testing Or Using Android For Work \| TechCrunch		Nov 04 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines How This One Radical Move Could Help Google	Nov 04 19:51
TweetTuxMachines	Fight Apple https://t.co/NtVCbrhAhB (time.com)	Nov 04 19:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-time.com \| Merging Android and Chrome Could Help Google Fight Apple		Nov 04 19:51
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DaemonFC	And the campaign is over. Mayor Henry won in a landslide. Republicans freaking out.	Nov 04 19:56
DaemonFC	Every major candidate that our governor personally endorsed lost big time.	Nov 04 19:56
MinceR	:)	Nov 04 20:05
MinceR	schestowitz: might be worth linking this: http://www.redhat.com/en/about/blog/faq-red-hat-and-microsoft-partnership	Nov 04 20:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com \| FAQ: Red Hat and Microsoft Partnership \| Red Hat		Nov 04 20:07
MinceR	not that it particularly clears things up or anything	Nov 04 20:07
cubexyz	more pushing the cloud	Nov 04 20:10
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/662000363860553729	Nov 04 20:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz please do check details before accusing.		Nov 04 20:20
schestowitz	I checked	Nov 04 20:20
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 4/11/2015: Linux-Based Parcel Delivery,	Nov 04 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	OpenSUSE Leap 42.1 https://t.co/USpm980FaF	Nov 04 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Nov 04 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8hee	Nov 04 20:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 4/11/2015: Linux-Based Parcel Delivery, OpenSUSE Leap 42.1 \| Techrights		Nov 04 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Security Leftovers https://t.co/RtyiGUcsU3	Nov 04 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8hef	Nov 04 20:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Security Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: OSS https://t.co/2SrMMdJAqs	Nov 04 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 20:21
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8heg	Nov 04 20:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: OSS \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 20:21
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/662001876880244736	Nov 04 20:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz so did we accept money? Did we betray the community? Please explain. And compare to Novell deal.		Nov 04 20:23
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/662002110184189952	Nov 04 20:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz happily on Azure: Canonical. SUSE. Did you check?		Nov 04 20:23
schestowitz	I didn't say it's the same as Novell's	Nov 04 20:24
schestowitz	@jwildeboer I already chastised Canonical over this	Nov 04 20:24
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/662002332763312128	Nov 04 20:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz you retweeted "money over ethics". Proof?		Nov 04 20:24
schestowitz	Red Hat thinks it can give it more customers, but at whose cost/expense?	Nov 04 20:24
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/662002717292896256	Nov 04 20:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz nice. Proof? Did Red Hat accept money? Your retweet claims so, innit?		Nov 04 20:26
schestowitz	It didn't claim anything like that	Nov 04 20:26
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/662002898189045760	Nov 04 20:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz or could it be Microsoft accepting the inevitable? Open wins ;-)		Nov 04 20:34
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/662003296920580097	Nov 04 20:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz you retweeted "money over ethics".		Nov 04 20:34
schestowitz	Not my words	Nov 04 20:34
schestowitz	"Open" does not win when it's run under a proprietary stack by a company that patent-taxes it	Nov 04 20:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos https://t.co/zDEDv8iawK	Nov 04 20:36
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 20:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8hhv	Nov 04 20:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 20:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/zb5dpmFus3	Nov 04 20:36
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 20:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8hhx	Nov 04 20:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 20:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers https://t.co/SMTbTLqsfD	Nov 04 20:37
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 04 20:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8hhy	Nov 04 20:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's leftovers \| Tux Machines		Nov 04 20:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 4/11/2015: Linux-Based Parcel Delivery,	Nov 04 20:44
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by OpenSUSE Leap 42.1 https://t.co/USpm980FaF	Nov 04 20:44
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz (techrights.org)	Nov 04 20:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8hi0	Nov 04 20:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 4/11/2015: Linux-Based Parcel Delivery, OpenSUSE Leap 42.1 \| Techrights		Nov 04 20:44
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat’s Deal With Microsoft Resurrects Fears	Nov 04 20:44
TweetTuxMachines	of Software Patents Against GNU/Linux and	Nov 04 20:44
TweetTuxMachines	Introduces Fees https://t.co/oOY65IP4wW	Nov 04 20:44
TweetTuxMachines	(techrights.org)	Nov 04 20:44
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8hja	Nov 04 20:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Red Hat’s Deal With Microsoft Resurrects Fears of Software Patents Against GNU/Linux and Introduces ‘Triple-Dipping’ of Fees \| Techrights		Nov 04 20:45
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/662005919430090753	Nov 04 21:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz like Amazon?		Nov 04 21:04
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/662006101785845760	Nov 04 21:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz and how much patent tax does Red Hat pay? Oooooh.		Nov 04 21:04
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/662008722860937216	Nov 04 21:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz do we get vouchers to "compete" with SUSE they way Novell got?		Nov 04 21:04
schestowitz	Novell was a lot worse	Nov 04 21:04
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/662012754677604352\	Nov 04 21:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jwildeboer: @schestowitz we don't get vouchers to "compete" with SUSE ;-)		Nov 04 21:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat’s Deal With Microsoft Resurrects Fears	Nov 04 21:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Wind blows Helix Cloud, Pulsar Linux, Rocket	Nov 04 21:42
TweetTuxMachines	RTOS toward IoT https://t.co/jxK8OgsonN	Nov 04 21:42
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/662022669920026624	Nov 04 21:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Surveillance bill: broad support gives way to alarm over detail @schestowitz https://t.co/4hLRajdUYz		Nov 04 21:48
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/662022669920026624	Nov 04 21:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com \| Surveillance bill: broad support gives way to alarm over detail \| World news \| The Guardian		Nov 04 21:48
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6781214	Nov 05 01:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Eric S. Raymond in a sexist site http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/11/04/feminists-are-trying-to-frame-linus-torvalds-for-sexual-assault-claims-open-source-industry-veteran/		Nov 05 01:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.breitbart.com \| Feminists Are Trying To Frame Linus Torvalds For Sexual Assault		Nov 05 01:42
schestowitz	"Not the only source that reported on this story."	Nov 05 01:42
MinceR	and so redcrap's offensive against Linus and the kernel begins...	Nov 05 01:44
MinceR	(not counting kdbus...)	Nov 05 01:44
schestowitz	https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3rienu/microsoft_gradually_embraces_extends_extinguishes/	Nov 05 01:49
schestowitz	"Nice that you have an opinion sir, but could you elaborate your point of view using arguments?"	Nov 05 01:49
schestowitz	"I think you mean Microsoft Linux."	Nov 05 01:49
schestowitz	"why would some one name a company microsoft - sounds like a joke"	Nov 05 01:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.reddit.com \| Microsoft Gradually Embraces, Extends, Extinguishes Linux Foundation as a Foundation of GNU/Linux : linux [ http://ur1.ca/o8j2i ]		Nov 05 01:49
schestowitz	I wonder what would happen if Torvalds went on a rant against systemd of kdbus	Nov 05 01:50
schestowitz	Maybe he's be accused of physical violence (insult) against LP... oh dear..	Nov 05 01:50
schestowitz	https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/11/02/1549201	Nov 05 01:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/11/02/1549201 )		Nov 05 01:51
schestowitz	"It looks like Microsoft hasn't reformed as some would like to think, but has moved its embrace, extend, extinguish policy to the mobile platform. In this article from techrights.org , we see a company (responsible for Mono) with strong MS connections take over an open source project and close it."	Nov 05 01:51
schestowitz	"	Nov 05 01:52
schestowitz	It looks like Microsoft hasn't reformed as some would like to think	Nov 05 01:52
schestowitz	Umm, who would like to think that, when everything we know about Windows 10 suggests they're as evil as ever?	Nov 05 01:52
schestowitz	What's changed is not that Microsoft has become a Good Guy, but that those companies that might have been Good Guys in the past no longer are:	Nov 05 01:52
schestowitz	- Google: Wants a nice take via Google Play every time somebody adds an app to their phone. Wants to monitor as much as they possibly can about everybody's activities on the Internet.	Nov 05 01:52
schestowitz	- Apple: Also gets a nice percentage of app sales, and intentionally builds walled gardens where you have to pay them to put something in it.	Nov 05 01:52
schestowitz	- Red Hat: Has been pushing a plan to do $DEITY-knows-what to Linux using the ever-expanding thingamajig called "systemd".	Nov 05 01:52
schestowitz	"	Nov 05 01:52
schestowitz	Android allows side-loading. This complain does apply to Apple though. The other complain about Google is accurate of course. Don't forget Apple's eschewing of standards to enhance the lock-in goodness.	Nov 05 01:52
schestowitz	Sadly, the systemd thing is what scares me the most in this list.	Nov 05 01:52
schestowitz	"	Nov 05 01:52
MinceR	what changed is that humans stand ever more openly against freedom and all that is good	Nov 05 01:52
schestowitz	"	Nov 05 01:52
schestowitz	That first complaint doesn't even fully apply to Apple anymore either. Since June Apple developer accounts capable of loading apps onto personal iOS devices have been free.	Nov 05 01:52
schestowitz	So although you can't just sideload pre-built iOS apps like Android, if the app author provides the source you can compile and load it yourself.	Nov 05 01:52
schestowitz	The big caveats of course is that you need a recent Mac to run Xcode, and the app you want must provide have its source code available. But in principle requiring the user to compile the OSS app themselves is more secure than Android sideloading: the user must be more technically knowledgable, and they have the option to check the source code for security/privacy issues.	Nov 05 01:53
schestowitz	"	Nov 05 01:53
schestowitz	"	Nov 05 01:53
schestowitz	I never called what Apple now allows users to do "sideloading". The only times I used that word were when I said "although you can't just sideload pre-built iOS apps like Android" and that it "is more secure than Android sideloading".	Nov 05 01:53
schestowitz	And, if WillR's comment [soylentnews.org] is accurate, Google is trying hard to make Thelaxon's comment ("Google: Wants a nice take via Google Play every time somebody adds an app to their phone") more true... which was the very point you were trying to refute.	Nov 05 01:53
schestowitz	And since you want to argue definition, sideloading is exactly what's going on anyway: "process of transferring data between two local devices, in particular between a computer and a mobile device" [wikipedia.org]. Just because Android users started using it in a specific (and technically inaccurate!) context, doesn't make the term theirs exclusively.	Nov 05 01:53
schestowitz	So no, Apple isn't allowing Android app-like sideloading. But it is now allowing sideloading (by definition!) of unapproved 3rd party software, for free.	Nov 05 01:53
schestowitz	"	Nov 05 01:53
schestowitz	"AOSP Android allows easy side-loading, but Google Android tries very hard to make sure it doesn't work. If your phone doesn't have the Google services installed and logged in to a Google account, an app side-loaded from the Google Android world is probably going to crash immediately. If it does have all that stuff, there's not much point side-loading when you can just... download."	Nov 05 01:53
schestowitz	"	Nov 05 01:54
schestowitz	RedHat does not deserve to be on this list. Everything they do is open-source and GPL, to a fault; new installs of Fedora need external repos for even multimedia codecs and freetype rendered fonts. RedHat has developed almost everything we have come to associate with a FOSS desktop, from GTK+ to NetworkManager to PulseAudio to one out of every six lines in the Linux kernel. RedHat became a billion dollar company, and they did it without	Nov 05 01:54
schestowitz	offshoring their cash (based in RTP), without selling your personal data, and while managing to release the source code to their work.	Nov 05 01:54
schestowitz	You have an issue with systemd, but your issue lies with your downstream distribution, not with RedHat. RedHat hasn't coerced anybody into accepting its initial system. In fact, SystemD has shown which distributions are the real creators, and exposed the fraudulent distros that just repackage and re-skin the work of others. OpenBSD, for example, is moving right along with the latest Gnome, working perfectly, and without systemd, because they	Nov 05 01:54
schestowitz	have competent package maintainers. Your hatred or fear of RedHat is misdirected.	Nov 05 01:54
schestowitz	"You're really stretching the definition of side-loading to fit what Apple allows."	Nov 05 01:54
MinceR	interesting how they carefully avoid saying that what redcrap does is free software	Nov 05 01:55
MinceR	as it really isn't	Nov 05 01:55
schestowitz	yeah	Nov 05 01:55
schestowitz	it's not	Nov 05 01:55
schestowitz	I'm led down big time	Nov 05 01:55
schestowitz	another article tomorrow	Nov 05 01:55
schestowitz	about this..	Nov 05 01:55
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cubexyz	right, give openbsd a try :)	Nov 05 02:28
schestowitz	bsd licence ain't for me...	Nov 05 02:32
schestowitz	and I had bad experiences with bsd on the server	Nov 05 02:32
MinceR	i will give openbsd a try, once i get a new laptop	Nov 05 02:32
MinceR	also netbsd	Nov 05 02:32
MinceR	the main VM will probably remain gnu/linux until bedrock (or something like it) starts supporting *bsd, though :>	Nov 05 02:33
cubexyz	I'm not saying don't use Linux	Nov 05 02:33
cubexyz	I'm merely saying you can use both BSD and Linux	Nov 05 02:34
MinceR	that's my plan :)	Nov 05 02:34
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Enlightenment E20 Wayland Support Continues To	Nov 05 03:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: KDE https://t.co/lYXuqExApH	Nov 05 03:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is Google spinning a merged Chrome/Android OS	Nov 05 03:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DAQ SBC runs Linux on Zynq, offers FMC	Nov 05 03:02
TweetTuxMachines	expansion https://t.co/hlSApX9u1G	Nov 05 03:02
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msb_	MinceR: "<MinceR> what changed is that humans stand ever more openly against freedom and all that is good" That is not true at all. The efforts of Bernie Sanders, Jeremy Corbyn, Pope Francis, the grateful acceptance of Russia's fight against ISIL, the numerous accurate Net news sites, and the fact that many millions of people are watching RT, all indicate that people _do_ want freedom and good, and are becoming ever more aware of what	Nov 05 03:27
msb_	s going on.	Nov 05 03:27
msb_	Also the Liberal victory in Canada.	Nov 05 03:28
cubexyz	I'd say the average Joe doesn't want to be shafted by corporations	Nov 05 03:31
msb_	"[OpenSuse] always sucked" Absolutely not. Before it adopted systemd, OpenSuse was very well designed and well administered. Instant help is always available in IRC. A free build system is available for users to build packages and add them to a repo. Suse still offers KDE3, or at least did in the last version. Novell's deal with MS had nothing to do with the quality of the distro itself or the work of its maintainers.	Nov 05 03:35
msb_	I've used Suse for 15 years and it's always been good.	Nov 05 03:35
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MinceR	not if you asked him that way	Nov 05 03:36
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MinceR	also, i didn't know msb_ liked .net/mono	Nov 05 03:37
MinceR	after all, that's what *suse/novell was pushing before systemd	Nov 05 03:37
cubexyz	is mono still being developed?	Nov 05 03:38
msb_	I have never used .net/mono.	Nov 05 03:38
cubexyz	ok, yes, they had another release 2 months ago	Nov 05 03:39
MinceR	also, it's interesting how a marxist pope is enough to make msb_ love abrahamic religion	Nov 05 03:39
msb_	MinceR: "not if you asked him that way" Asked who what?	Nov 05 03:40
MinceR	msb_: 043140 < cubexyz> I'd say the average Joe doesn't want to be shafted by corporations	Nov 05 03:40
cubexyz	heck, I'm still looking for a PVR that doesn't encrypt	Nov 05 03:40
MinceR	"i don't want to be shafted by corporations!" then immediately goes on to vote for a corporate party and by a hypePhone	Nov 05 03:42
cubexyz	hard to avoid	Nov 05 03:43
msb_	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME! "a marxist pope is enough to make msb_ love abrahamic religion" That is a LIE. I like what Francis is saying about some social/economic issues, NOT the religion.	Nov 05 03:43
MinceR	and you immediately forgive the International Pedophile Party all their crimes	Nov 05 03:43
MinceR	and don't get me started on the rest of msb_'s bullshit	Nov 05 03:43
msb_	MinceR: STOP LYING ABOUT ME! I do not forgive any pedophiles.	Nov 05 03:44
MinceR	once humanity gets what they're fighting for, they'll die out	Nov 05 03:44
msb_	Also Iceland has jailed its criminal banksters, and Syria and Greece are opposing debt slavery.	Nov 05 03:48
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msb_	As to marxism, some form of democratic socialism, e.g., worker-owned companies, a huge tax on wealth, etc., NOT classical Marxism with its "vanguard party", is necessary to repair the enormous maldistribution of wealth and power in capitalism.	Nov 05 04:00
msb_	Also, as technology more and more replaces human labor, it's necessary to deal with the resulting reduction in the number of jobs. Job sharing, a very short work week, etc., all with no reduction in pay.	Nov 05 04:01
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNU Guile 2.1.1 released [beta]	Nov 05 04:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23 KDE screenshots	Nov 05 04:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Many 64-bit ARM Changes Coming To Linux 4.4	Nov 05 04:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Call for new Plasma wallpapers contribution	Nov 05 10:28
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TweetTuxMachines	(kdeonlinux.wordpress.com)	Nov 05 10:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "I hope to see distributions to pick up the	Nov 05 10:28
TweetTuxMachines	work and provide a Plasma phone spin."	Nov 05 10:28
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schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6782115	Nov 05 10:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Why an iPhone user switched to Android after six years http://www.itworld.com/article/3000803/android/why-a-user-switched-to-android-after-six-years-of-iphones.html		Nov 05 10:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.itworld.com \| Why an iPhone user switched to Android after six years \| ITworld		Nov 05 10:40
schestowitz	"https://blog.lookout.com/blog/2015/11/04/trojanized-adware/ "	Nov 05 10:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.lookout.com \| Lookout discovers new trojanized adware; 20K popular apps caught in the crossfire \| Lookout Blog		Nov 05 10:40
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6782115	Nov 05 10:43
schestowitz	""Why, Roy?"	Nov 05 10:43
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schestowitz	"	Nov 05 10:52
schestowitz	A comment referring to your recent article:	Nov 05 10:52
schestowitz	"More European Politicians Take on the EPO for Ignoring the Rule of Law"	Nov 05 10:52
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2015/11/03/eu-politicians-vs-epo-again/	Nov 05 10:52
schestowitz	'	Nov 05 10:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| More European Politicians Take on the EPO for Ignoring the Rule of Law \| Techrights		Nov 05 10:52
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Why an iPhone user switched to Android after	Nov 05 10:55
TweetTuxMachines	six years https://t.co/daGN3L1OkN	Nov 05 10:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Grow Home From Ubisoft Looks Like It Will Come	Nov 05 10:55
TweetTuxMachines	To Linux https://t.co/eEf5oJX0CE	Nov 05 10:55
TweetTuxMachines	(www.gamingonlinux.com)	Nov 05 10:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Grow Home From Ubisoft Looks Like It Will Come To Linux \| GamingOnLinux		Nov 05 10:56
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Software https://t.co/I3rPMOvmlI	Nov 05 10:56
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 05 10:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Software \| Tux Machines		Nov 05 10:56
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6781074	Nov 05 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #redhat site still throws around a meaningless (or ambiguous) buzzword to bamboozle the non-technical target audience https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2015/10/you-ve-gone-devops-what-about-your-systems-integrator		Nov 05 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> enterprisersproject.com \| You’ve gone DevOps, but what about your systems integrator? \| The Enterprisers Project		Nov 05 11:06
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6781160	Nov 05 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Software patents have also been a sticking point. Red Hat..no indication whether this extends to partner ecosystems" http://www.infoworld.com/article/3001554/open-source-tools/red-hat-and-microsoft-cozy-up-in-the-azure-cloud.html		Nov 05 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.infoworld.com \| Red Hat and Microsoft cozy up in the Azure cloud \| InfoWorld		Nov 05 11:06
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6780135	Nov 05 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: In #microsoft #azure #redhat #rhel has back doors and built-in file-by-file #surveillance so #security not applicable https://securityblog.redhat.com/2015/11/04/risk-report-update-april-to-october-2015/		Nov 05 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://securityblog.redhat.com/2015/11/04/risk-report-update-april-to-october-2015/ )		Nov 05 11:06
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6780623	Nov 05 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The Latest Propaganda From Benoît #Battistelli is Promotion of the Unitary Patent (UPC) at Political Levels http://techrights.org/2015/11/04/battistelli-politician-or-lobbyist/ #epo #upc		Nov 05 11:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| The Latest Propaganda From Benoît Battistelli is Promotion of the Unitary Patent (UPC) at Political Levels \| Techrights		Nov 05 11:07
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Twpalovi/status/662228185862533120	Nov 05 11:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Twpalovi: @schestowitz Is it?		Nov 05 11:24
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open Source Initiative launches free webinar	Nov 05 11:37
TweetTuxMachines	series https://t.co/kaku4zAne3	Nov 05 11:37
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 05 11:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8l61	Nov 05 11:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Open Source Initiative launches free webinar series \| Tux Machines		Nov 05 11:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming https://t.co/NqUdRVeo6j	Nov 05 11:37
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 05 11:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8l62	Nov 05 11:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Nov 05 11:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Move over FireFox OS and BlackBerry, Tizen is	Nov 05 11:37
TweetTuxMachines	now the Fourth Largest Smartphone OS in Q3 2015	Nov 05 11:37
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/0dvdjhHnTS (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 05 11:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8l63	Nov 05 11:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Move over FireFox OS and BlackBerry, Tizen is now the Fourth Largest Smartphone OS in Q3 2015 \| Tux Machines		Nov 05 11:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Firefox 42 Arrives in All Supported Ubuntu OSes	Nov 05 11:38
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Tx9dqch6Pc (www.tuxmachines.org)	Nov 05 11:38
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8l64	Nov 05 11:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Firefox 42 Arrives in All Supported Ubuntu OSes \| Tux Machines		Nov 05 11:38
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6777516	Nov 05 12:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: After bombing the * out of #libya we'll pretend to teach them #democracy http://www.ibtimes.com/us-consulting-firm-builds-open-source-mobile-voter-registration-system-libya-2167475 http://wraltechwire.com/durham-based-development-firm-caktus-group-open-sources-voter-registration-software/15057853/ #openwashing		Nov 05 12:14
schestowitz	"@Infirit the only thing I see at the link you provided is a lot of controversy about e-voting in the spirited discussion below the video. In that respect, your “BAD idea” summary is extremely presumptuous."	Nov 05 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.ibtimes.com \| US Consulting Firm Builds Open Source Mobile Voter Registration System For Libya		Nov 05 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> wraltechwire.com \| Durham-based development firm Caktus Group open sources voter registration software :: Editor's Blog at WRAL TechWire		Nov 05 12:14
schestowitz	"Any system that is not anonymous and not on paper is a BAD idea."	Nov 05 12:14
schestowitz	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI	Nov 05 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Why Electronic Voting is a BAD Idea - Computerphile - YouTube		Nov 05 12:14
schestowitz	"Please, please, no more world saving from the USA!"	Nov 05 12:14
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6782025	Nov 05 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #US Presidential Candidate Jill Stein: I Want to Be President to Save the World http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/Jill-Stein-I-Want-to-Be-US-President-to-Save-the-World-20151103-0019.html		Nov 05 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.telesurtv.net \| Jill Stein: I Want to Be US President to Save the World \| Opinion \| teleSUR English		Nov 05 12:14
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines More Information Emerges About the	Nov 05 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	Microsoft-Red Hat Patent Agreement	Nov 05 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/lXWMuRfLxI (techrights.org)	Nov 05 13:55
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/o8lk5	Nov 05 13:55
*TweetTuxMachines @FadiSemaan followed @tuxmachines		Nov 05 13:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| More Information Emerges About the Microsoft-Red Hat Patent Agreement \| Techrights		Nov 05 13:55
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*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012		Nov 05 19:29
cubexyz	switching to modern mode here is what Los Alamos Computers is selling for Linux computers:	Nov 05 19:30
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/662350669886582784	Nov 05 19:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: @schestowitz Because money. Because capitalism. (Which is what calls to arms over terrorism were to start with)		Nov 05 19:30
cubexyz	http://laclinux.com/en/Start	Nov 05 19:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-laclinux.com \| Los Alamos Computers: High-Performance Linux Computing		Nov 05 19:30
cubexyz	the local brick and mortar computer stores are pretty bad so assembling your own box is probably still the best route for desktop	Nov 05 19:34
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/tekcurmudgeon/status/662352664496214016	Nov 05 19:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tekcurmudgeon: @schestowitz ...and they're about to get E-E-E'd by Microsoft!		Nov 05 19:37
schestowitz	(red Hat)	Nov 05 19:37
cubexyz	wow, I hope not	Nov 05 19:43
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6782025	Nov 05 19:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #US Presidential Candidate Jill Stein: I Want to Be President to Save the World http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/Jill-Stein-I-Want-to-Be-US-President-to-Save-the-World-20151103-0019.html		Nov 05 19:49
schestowitz	"I support the motion.'	Nov 05 19:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.telesurtv.net \| Jill Stein: I Want to Be US President to Save the World \| Opinion \| teleSUR English [ http://ur1.ca/o8n2t ]		Nov 05 19:49
schestowitz	I think Stein wants to help the world in the climate sense...	Nov 05 19:49
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6783591	Nov 05 19:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #theGuardian which took money (arguably bribe) from #billgates for puff pieces is still at it http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/03/gates-foundation-without-bill-philanthropic http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique		Nov 05 19:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com \| Would the Gates Foundation do more good without Bill? \| Linsey McGoey \| Comment is free \| The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/o8ms4 ]		Nov 05 19:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/1e8bh ]		Nov 05 19:50
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6783601	Nov 05 19:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Everything you can do with an iPhone was government-funded. ... all of these things were funded by Uncle Sam ..." http://www.salon.com/2015/11/04/5_things_that_wouldnt_be_happening_if_america_were_a_functioning_democracy_partner/		Nov 05 19:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.salon.com \| 5 things that wouldn’t be happening if America were a functioning democracy - Salon.com [ http://ur1.ca/o8n31 ]		Nov 05 19:50
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/musevg/status/662359385260335104	Nov 05 20:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@musevg: @schestowitz It's not that difficult: Fedora is more fashionable… and has far shorter release cycles. So you see your work in action sooner		Nov 05 20:07
schestowitz	Debian has derivatives that have 6-month releases as well	Nov 05 20:08
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/662362001444700160	Nov 05 20:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: @schestowitz Will Mr. Bill make as big a mess of Climate as he did of software? $ TALKS https://t.co/eGNxNX1nqG https://t.co/xaWBnkutYl		Nov 05 20:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theatlantic.com \| An Interview with Bill Gates on the Future of Energy - The Atlantic		Nov 05 20:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.breitbart.com \| Bill Gates: Only Socialism Can Save Us From Climate Change		Nov 05 20:14
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/662364603796447232	Nov 05 20:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: How the World's s/w & networks got to be how we find them today: https://t.co/AsJmXpJzoe https://t.co/MhEPUUsbGz https://t.co/1wRAiYELM6		Nov 05 20:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cryptostorm_is: This is the single the best summation of 20 years of internet privacy & security progress we've read in... forever: https://t.co/65NfYSCaL6		Nov 05 20:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights		Nov 05 20:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| More Information Emerges About the Microsoft-Red Hat Patent Agreement \| Techrights		Nov 05 20:28
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XRevan86	http://mate-desktop.org/blog/2015-11-05-mate-1-12-released	Nov 05 20:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mate-desktop.org \| MATE 1.12 released \| MATE [ http://ur1.ca/o8ncs ]		Nov 05 20:38
XRevan86	MinceR: You're not against MATE, are you?	Nov 05 20:38
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/662366392763609089	Nov 05 20:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: @schestowitz well he talks about disruption and innovative technology, but this is not what RHEL is about: outdated software.		Nov 05 20:39
XRevan86	(it originates from code made by Mono founder and current OS X used – Miguel de Icaza)	Nov 05 20:39
schestowitz	XRevan86: thanks for the headsup	Nov 05 20:39
schestowitz	XRevan86: mate isn't any more troublesome than gnome itself	Nov 05 20:40
XRevan86	schestowitz: I was just being petty.	Nov 05 20:40
XRevan86	I use and like MATE.	Nov 05 20:41
cubexyz	Unix traditionalists are rare :)	Nov 05 20:43
XRevan86	… and maintain, so I'll soon be very busy :)	Nov 05 20:45
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/auxesis/status/662230288441847809	Nov 05 21:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@auxesis: When I stop paying attention to how config management is running on my servers https://t.co/mULUakdQIz		Nov 05 21:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@auxesis: When I stop paying attention to how config management is running on my servers https://t.co/mULUakdQIz		Nov 05 21:03
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/haniefhaider/status/662389736615579648	Nov 05 22:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@haniefhaider: @schestowitz Eliyahu Goldratt 'The Goal' fashionable among a certain generation of managers here in Cape Town.Ram Charan Bossidy Christensen		Nov 05 22:09
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/CollChris/status/662466852967198720	Nov 06 07:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CollChris: Same in US.. @Snowden showed and court ruled unlawful NSA spying. Govt now tries to make the crime legal with #CISA. https://t.co/85AHEOxLi8		Nov 06 07:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Ed @snowden put out there #gchq documents to document crime, whereupon GCHQ was found guilty in #uk but rather than jail, Tories legalise it		Nov 06 07:21
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*Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012		Nov 06 11:49
schestowitz	XFaCE: wow!	Nov 06 12:04
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/662600466589700096	Nov 06 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz I'm concerned RH in bed with MS, another Novell in the making ???		Nov 06 12:05
schestowitz	No, very different circumstances. Same for Nokia.	Nov 06 12:05
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/retroDoomer/status/662552420300361728 https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/662414953601740800 https://twitter.com/ghabuntu/status/662450227236892673 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/662567637986185216	Nov 06 12:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@retroDoomer: Microsoft does not love Linux. They will only do what is necessary to stay relevant https://t.co/YVKjeMlVj0		Nov 06 12:08
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/662567897630449664 https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/662560675097653248 https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/662435748570906625 https://twitter.com/MeirionTweets/status/662564016204681216 https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/662382139309203461	Nov 06 12:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| More Information Emerges About the Microsoft-Red Hat Patent Agreement \| Techrights		Nov 06 12:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Links 5/11/2015: Framing Linus Torvalds, NetBeans IDE 8.1 https://t.co/bBy7J0jBUo		Nov 06 12:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Links 5/11/2015: Framing Linus Torvalds, NetBeans IDE 8.1 \| Techrights		Nov 06 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ghabuntu: Media Coverage of the Red Hat-Microsoft Deal Includes Microsoft Talking Points and Moles, No Discussion About ... https://t.co/Q1zbO6oFS1		Nov 06 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Media Coverage of the Red Hat-Microsoft Deal Includes Microsoft Talking Points and Moles, No Discussion About Patent Aspects \| Techrights		Nov 06 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Red Hat proliferates and controls systemd while using opensource dot com as a front for their corporate propaganda" https://t.co/enGU3FhklJ		Nov 06 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> lxer.com \| LXer: Walking in a Minefield: Microsoft and Red Hat announce cloud partnership, show .NET some love		Nov 06 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Redhat lost me when they agreed to support MS secure/crippled boot a few years ago." https://t.co/enGU3FhklJ https://t.co/qBkwRQKxS3		Nov 06 12:10
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: The TPP chaoter on software is basically trumping licences like the GPL with contract law. Am I right? https://t.co/hHSLJZsQDt		Nov 06 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.keionline.org \| TPP has provision banning requirements to transfer or access to source code of software \| Knowledge Ecology International		Nov 06 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Today in Techrights https://t.co/F35cBUyxpr		Nov 06 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Nov 06 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MeirionTweets: Man who doesn't get Evolution 2nd in running for GOP candidacy & then there's the pyramids - Nurse! #Election2016 https://t.co/AYzoUWGebV		Nov 06 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Salon: Ben Carson’s bizarro-world pyramid madness: This is why evangelicals adore him, and everyone else will find him nuts https://t.co/o1pi0VQRab		Nov 06 12:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: Next PopcornTime version will multiplex 100 TOR circuits over MultipathTCP. Voila, problem solved.		Nov 06 12:10
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/662378315068653568 https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/662424633753382912 https://twitter.com/tuxmachines/status/662436618205179905 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/662585913629913088 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/662586195231248384 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/662590925009457152	Nov 06 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: Mozilla spawns another failed attempt to neutralize software patents with their MOSPL https://t.co/P6QbZj5cIp		Nov 06 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.mozilla.org \| Mozilla Patents — Mozilla		Nov 06 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Is Anybody Still Using Microsoft Windows? Now Is a Fine Time to Stop. https://t.co/YHXWm3JuN5 https://t.co/uh0QkLYUv8		Nov 06 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Is Anybody Still Using Microsoft Windows? Now Is a Fine Time to Stop. \| Techrights		Nov 06 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Vista 10 Reality Log - Techrights		Nov 06 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@tuxmachines: Today in Techrights https://t.co/4BOfaSvrQs		Nov 06 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.tuxmachines.org \| Today in Techrights \| Tux Machines		Nov 06 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: So-Called ‘Trade’ Treaties Like #TPP and #TTIP Threaten to Legalise #swpats in #Europe and Effectively Ban FOSS https://t.co/BFXSnI32dW		Nov 06 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| So-Called ‘Trade’ Treaties Like TPP and TTIP Threaten to Legalise Software Patents in Europe and Even Effectively Ban Software Freedom/Copyleft \| Techrights		Nov 06 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Software Patents in Europe: not just a threat but already a problem because #epo grants them https://t.co/9QEUjKZdQN		Nov 06 12:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #IPDealmakersForum Brags About Having the World’s Largest Patent Troll as Keynote Speaker https://t.co/86vv1qAxBF #swpats		Nov 06 12:11
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/662591117859360768 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/662597762068971520 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/662599611459203072 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/662599858033991680	Nov 06 12:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Intellectual Ventures was conceived by a Microsoft executive, Nathan Myhrvold" https://t.co/nQMT98VFn5 #microsoft #IntellectualVentures		Nov 06 12:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #IPKat Bemoans Crushing of the EPO’s Boards by an Increasingly Paranoid #EPO Management https://t.co/BaCmuhgxZR h/t @fosspatents		Nov 06 12:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| IP Kat Bemoans Crushing of the EPO’s Boards by an Increasingly Paranoid EPO Management \| Techrights		Nov 06 12:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: 19,437 blog posts in #techrights at the moment, so 19.5k expected this month and 20k next year. #epo in focus ATM https://t.co/CMIUWvePoB		Nov 06 12:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: SUSE's #patent deal with #microsoft is running out this year (2 months left). Will be interesting to see what happens upon expiry. #novell		Nov 06 12:12
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/662603526179303424	Nov 06 12:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz Gonna read your article, to get the gist of it.		Nov 06 12:13
schestowitz	I wrote 4 articles about the Red Hat deal http://techrights.org/2015/11/05/microsoft-red-hat-patent-agreement/ http://techrights.org/2015/11/04/red-hat-sells-out/ http://techrights.org/2015/11/04/red-hat-deal-with-microsoft/ http://techrights.org/2015/11/05/garbage-media-coverage/	Nov 06 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Red Hat Sells Out With a Microsoft Patent Deal \| Techrights		Nov 06 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Red Hat’s Deal With Microsoft Resurrects Fears of Software Patents Against GNU/Linux and Introduces ‘Triple-Dipping’ of Fees \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/o8qq7 ]		Nov 06 12:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Media Coverage of the Red Hat-Microsoft Deal Includes Microsoft Talking Points and Moles, No Discussion About Patent Aspects \| Techrights		Nov 06 12:14
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2015/11/05/microsoft-red-hat-patent-agreement/	Nov 06 12:15
schestowitz	odd, it doesn't pick it up	Nov 06 12:15
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/662603810490195969	Nov 06 12:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz Btw, did you read this: https://t.co/0xugFqBbkI ??? A very good analysis of the sad state of affairs in Linux development.		Nov 06 12:16
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schestowitz	I saw that a while back...	Nov 06 12:16
schestowitz	> By the way, DN will have an allegedly exclusive interview with Edward	Nov 06 12:33
schestowitz	> Snowden published at 14:00 UTC:	Nov 06 12:33
schestowitz	>	Nov 06 12:33
schestowitz	> http://www.dn.se/	Nov 06 12:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dn.se \| Nyheter - DN.SE		Nov 06 12:33
schestowitz	>	Nov 06 12:33
schestowitz	> I'll be offline around then for a while but you might want to check it	Nov 06 12:33
schestowitz	> out. It might be in Swedish but Google translate does a fairly good job	Nov 06 12:33
schestowitz	> of translating it. Hopefully they link to the original in English.	Nov 06 12:33
schestowitz	Whether live or offline, in the form of articles with sound bites, it ought to be OK. I think Denmark is used for data collection from the East, just like Sweden and to a lesser degree (due to fear of restriction from Putin) Finland.	Nov 06 12:33
schestowitz	Snowden didn't write anything in Twitter yesterday, so he might be preparing for something or working on something. His feed wasn't so bad as it helped tackle UK repressions this week.	Nov 06 12:33
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msb_	Excellent analysis of Syria situation and US policy. youtube-dl gets it. https://www.rt.com/shows/sophieco/321020-syrian-peace-talk-conflict/	Nov 06 14:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.rt.com \| US in stupor, doesn't know what to do or even what it wants in Syria - MidEast studies academic RT — SophieCo		Nov 06 14:30
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrianPardy/status/662646071521341440	Nov 06 15:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrianPardy: @schestowitz @tekcurmudgeon The sick part is when UEFI is done right and users can use their own keys to sign OS, it's VERY user enabling.		Nov 06 15:03
schestowitz	If only every machine was configured this way out of the OEM...	Nov 06 15:04
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/huehuehuio/status/662646215193051136	Nov 06 15:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@huehuehuio: @schestowitz It's a butt actually, hearts look different. Probably some kind of gayonising Twitter, as surveillance incorporated long ago.		Nov 06 15:04
schestowitz	it still gets worse	Nov 06 15:04
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/662646734619832320	Nov 06 15:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@glynmoody: @schestowitz many thanks for that		Nov 06 15:04
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/BrianPardy/status/662647302222401536	Nov 06 15:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@BrianPardy: @schestowitz @tekcurmudgeon It takes a lot of research to find something that allows the choice going into a purchase. But when it works? 👍		Nov 06 15:08
schestowitz	It wasn't designed to put control at the user's end	Nov 06 15:08
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/huehuehuio/status/662648516276277249	Nov 06 15:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@huehuehuio: @schestowitz Yep - Twitter quite buggy in Firefox, but works fine in webkit-based browsers - most probably intentional.		Nov 06 15:14
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/drtocqueville/status/662652688841199616	Nov 06 15:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@drtocqueville: @schestowitz esp. when they can extend patent $$$ life by alternate #indicated purpose		Nov 06 15:30
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/IPDealmakers/status/662656505234239489	Nov 06 15:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IPDealmakers: @schestowitz 11 of America's top inventors work with IV. Edward Jung is one of them. What's your definition of a patent troll?		Nov 06 15:44
schestowitz	IV is a textbook definition of it, and it has 1000 satellite entities	Nov 06 15:44
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/IPDealmakers/status/662662329583190017	Nov 06 16:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IPDealmakers: @schestowitz Doesn't really answer the question. So having satellite entities makes one a patent troll?		Nov 06 16:35
schestowitz	No, being a patent troll makes one a patent troll. Having 1000-2000 satellite proxies makes one the biggest patent troll.	Nov 06 16:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/662667864936218624	Nov 06 16:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz I was trying to come up with a witty response yet all I have got is wtf, why are there so many morons on earth?!		Nov 06 16:36
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/662661304776310784	Nov 06 16:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: TechRights: Media Coverage of the Red Hat-MSFT Deal Includes [..] No Discussion About Patent Aspects https://t.co/cJ0xmU9OWH by @schestowitz		Nov 06 16:37
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/IPDealmakers/status/662674145881292801	Nov 06 16:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@IPDealmakers: @schestowitz So still no answer then. https://t.co/yCM0KFQvQb		Nov 06 16:55
schestowitz	It's like talking to a deaf	Nov 06 16:55
schestowitz	and the paper you link you I responded to in http://techrights.org/2015/09/10/propagandists-for-swpats/ background in http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/David_Kappos	Nov 06 16:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| David Kappos From IBM and the USPTO is Still Lobbying for Software Patents, This Time With a New Glorified ‘Paper’ \| Techrights		Nov 06 16:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| David Kappos - Techrights		Nov 06 16:58
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AntiSoftwarePat/status/662675261125730304	Nov 06 16:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AntiSoftwarePat: @schestowitz @IPDealmakers 1000's of shell companies is typical Patent Troll business structure		Nov 06 16:58
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6786049	Nov 06 17:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #ciapost wants us to think #gnu #linux not secure and #torvalds a bad person http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/business/2015/11/05/net-of-insecurity-the-kernel-of-the-argument/ More gunning for Linus.		Nov 06 17:36
schestowitz	"	Nov 06 17:36
schestowitz	The article would’ve make some sense if dealing with closed source propietary software, but not FLOSS. Possibly it tries to exploit readers that are not aware that anyone who has the desire and knowledge to modify, enhance and redistribute the results of the software (with another name for it) can do it without the blessing of Torvalds.	Nov 06 17:36
schestowitz	I am not a programmer, but I still can say that most of the “complaints” here could be solved by forking or patching linux, etc. That’s the real magic behind FLOSS, right. If those alternatives are not popular yet is because servers and systems administrator do not think of it as better alternatives, yet. Demonizing Torvalds because of his approach on coding one of the most successful and trusted pieces of software to date is plainly	Nov 06 17:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.washingtonpost.com \| The kernel of the argument over Linux’s vulnerabilities \| The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/o8nwo ]		Nov 06 17:36
schestowitz	ridiculous.	Nov 06 17:36
schestowitz	"	Nov 06 17:36
schestowitz	"Payed by Microsoft or the NSA to discredit Linux."	Nov 06 17:36
schestowitz	"He contributed to the Post’s Pulitzer Prize-winning coverage of the NSA." https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/craig-timberg	Nov 06 17:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com \| Craig Timberg - The Washington Post		Nov 06 17:37
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Joel__	Hi	Nov 06 20:30
Joel__	How do I contact Dr. Roy Schestowitz?	Nov 06 20:31
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cubexyz	so impatient	Nov 06 20:31
XRevan86	10 seconds	Nov 06 20:32
MinceR	:D	Nov 06 20:33
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lirodon	okay, so some people seem to disagree about the intent of that supposed TPP thing regarding source code	Nov 06 21:11
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cubexyz	ok, this is rather out of date but here is the startup sequence for award bios:	Nov 06 21:48
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/award-bios-startup.txt	Nov 06 21:48
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/georgebaily/status/662946457322942464	Nov 07 10:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@georgebaily: @schestowitz "this guy has a non approved OS on his laptop, he could be a mentalist, haul him out!"		Nov 07 10:58
schestowitz	> http://www.wired.com/2015/11/null/	Nov 07 11:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.wired.com \| Hello, I'm Mr. Null. My Name Makes Me Invisible to Computers \| WIRED		Nov 07 11:07
schestowitz	>	Nov 07 11:07
schestowitz	> A fellow with the last name of 'O' broke our administrative database a	Nov 07 11:07
schestowitz	> long time ago. The programmers had decided that no last names could be	Nov 07 11:07
schestowitz	> shorter than two letters.	Nov 07 11:07
schestowitz	What kind of constraint was that? Doesn't seem justified. Was it a schema issue of underlying DB issue? Or software that's off-the-shelf and proprietary?	Nov 07 11:07
amarsh04	how do they handle people with only one name?	Nov 07 11:10
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/2E0EOL/status/662950388979605504	Nov 07 11:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@2E0EOL: @schestowitz Fuzz testing is the future! Nobody wants to invest the time though, so systems will continue to be broken by design		Nov 07 11:14
schestowitz	Just needs lots of computing power, some false positives to spend time on	Nov 07 11:14
amarsh04	had a kernel bug hit me on this machine, bisected it and the offending commit was by the same person who had broken a scsi driver on this machine previously	Nov 07 11:15
amarsh04	it took me a while to be polite in my bug report	Nov 07 11:15
schestowitz	[11:10] <amarsh04> how do they handle people with only one name?	Nov 07 11:15
schestowitz	Which countries have such a policy? Native Americans maybe?	Nov 07 11:16
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/2E0EOL/status/662952128311402497	Nov 07 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@2E0EOL: @schestowitz Computing power, true but not as expensive as the time needed to construct useful tests? I use Test::LectroTest, it's OK.		Nov 07 11:18
amarsh04	Indonesians often only have one name	Nov 07 11:20
amarsh04	but there have been a few in Australia, so when I worked at the University of Adelaide we had to cope with that when assigning staff email addresses	Nov 07 11:21
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schestowitz	amarsh04: I didn't know this about Indonesians	Nov 07 12:45
schestowitz	i know that in Vietnam the surname diversity is extremely low	Nov 07 12:45
schestowitz	more so than in China and neighbours,	Nov 07 12:45
schestowitz	like CJK	Nov 07 12:45
schestowitz	Parks and Kim are common in Korea	Nov 07 12:45
schestowitz	the surname distribution in Taiwan is also quite amazingly low	Nov 07 12:45
schestowitz	I think that nygyum or whatever it is in Vietnam is the surname of (IIRC) 60% of people?	Nov 07 12:46
amarsh04	yes, something like that	Nov 07 12:47
schestowitz	plagiarism https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/662978608017838080	Nov 07 13:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @MariusNestor https://t.co/5GAup2REH6 kill the bugger		Nov 07 13:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techfrag.com \| Ubuntu Touch OTA-8 Bringing New SMS, Telephony Apps - TechFrag		Nov 07 13:03
schestowitz	Razvan is also feeling lazy today http://linuxg.net/ubuntu-16-04-will-ship-with-a-redesigned-usb-startup-creater-tool/	Nov 07 13:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 508 @ http://linuxg.net/ubuntu-16-04-will-ship-with-a-redesigned-usb-startup-creater-tool/ )		Nov 07 13:04
schestowitz	They're copying softpedia	Nov 07 13:05
schestowitz	ripoff artists	Nov 07 13:05
MinceR	Nguyen?	Nov 07 13:58
MinceR	http://i.imgur.com/SP5KJdM.jpg	Nov 07 13:58
XRevan86	feeeeelings	Nov 07 13:59
XRevan86	Can one rape a man that way?	Nov 07 13:59
XRevan86	or a cat	Nov 07 14:00
XRevan86	through Internet	Nov 07 14:00
XRevan86	Does one have to do anything to rape?	Nov 07 14:04
MinceR	to make SJWs scream "rape"? no.	Nov 07 14:05
MinceR	http://dilbert.com/strip/2012-10-21	Nov 07 14:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dilbert.com \| Dilbert Comic Strip on 2012-10-21 \| Dilbert by Scott Adams		Nov 07 14:38
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/663004006231506946	Nov 07 14:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz I told you so, it' s no longer GNU/Linux, it' s RH/Lennix. We' re like the frog in the pan, slowly cooking and unaware.		Nov 07 14:47
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/agente_smithe/status/663004517265444864	Nov 07 14:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@agente_smithe: @schestowitz Bitnami is good, servers in a package.		Nov 07 14:48
XFaCE	yo roy	Nov 07 14:57
XFaCE	schestowitz: look at this garbage	Nov 07 14:57
XFaCE	http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/business/2015/11/05/net-of-insecurity-the-kernel-of-the-argument/	Nov 07 14:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com \| The kernel of the argument over Linux’s vulnerabilities \| The Washington Post		Nov 07 14:57
MinceR	journalism is dead	Nov 07 14:57
XFaCE	one page of drivel, quoting... Matthew Garrett	Nov 07 14:57
XFaCE	and also blaming Ashley Madison on Linux even though they admit that linux wasn't at fault in that situation	Nov 07 14:58
XFaCE	in other words, they're like "Here's an example that's not really an example"	Nov 07 14:58
MinceR	garrett is attacking linux because he's butthurt because they didn't merge his stupid securelevel interface	Nov 07 14:59
XFaCE	schestowitz: noting further that all this is coming out after that "honeypot" allegation	Nov 07 15:00
XFaCE	and of course that mis-reported Sarah Sharpe/Matthew Garrett tantruming	Nov 07 15:00
schestowitz	LOL, coming from a Microsoft guy: https://twitter.com/GaborFari/status/663007802420367360	Nov 07 15:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GaborFari: @WinObs Look at what this idiot wrote: https://t.co/LhGO1bpGKM Makes a living being a troll, I guess. But it must be a meager living.		Nov 07 15:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| The ‘Microsoft Loves Linux’ Baloney is Still Being Floated in the Media While Microsoft Attacks Linux With Patents, New Lawsuits Reported \| Techrights		Nov 07 15:01
schestowitz	Not pointing out errors, just upset about it	Nov 07 15:02
schestowitz	[14:58] <XFaCE> and also blaming Ashley Madison on Linux even though they admit that linux wasn't at fault in that situation	Nov 07 15:02
schestowitz	Windows network	Nov 07 15:02
schestowitz	I wrote about that	Nov 07 15:02
schestowitz	at least one article	Nov 07 15:02
schestowitz	they got their windows domain passwords	Nov 07 15:02
MinceR	now you can write about washington post :>	Nov 07 15:02
schestowitz	[14:59] <MinceR> garrett is attacking linux because he's butthurt because they didn't merge his stupid securelevel interface	Nov 07 15:03
schestowitz	They did merge his UEFI crap	Nov 07 15:03
schestowitz	shim	Nov 07 15:03
XFaCE	schestowitz: I'm guessing that's cause of intel pressure	Nov 07 15:03
schestowitz	although Linux complained that he was deepthroating Microsoft	Nov 07 15:03
XFaCE	and RedH Hat	Nov 07 15:03
schestowitz	XFaCE: yes, Intel	Nov 07 15:03
schestowitz	Red Hat paid his salary	Nov 07 15:03
schestowitz	at least at the time	Nov 07 15:03
XFaCE	schestowitz: and red hat, since they've been fine with the UEFI thing	Nov 07 15:03
schestowitz	Intel and Red Hat co-sponsor some blogs	Nov 07 15:03
XFaCE	and now we know they have no problem being touched by a Microsoft	Nov 07 15:03
schestowitz	Red Hat and Intel are quite close, also when it comes to systemd	Nov 07 15:04
XFaCE	directly	Nov 07 15:04
schestowitz	[15:02] <MinceR> now you can write about washington post :>	Nov 07 15:04
schestowitz	No, I have no patience for that	Nov 07 15:04
schestowitz	it's not that importanty	Nov 07 15:04
schestowitz	*tant	Nov 07 15:04
schestowitz	some people responded, I put that in tuxmachines	Nov 07 15:05
schestowitz	with selective quotes of people who respond to the piece	Nov 07 15:05
schestowitz	and then there will be IRC logs, FWIW	Nov 07 15:05
msb_	I never buy Intel CPUs, only AMD.	Nov 07 15:05
schestowitz	No need to give CIAPost more attention than they already got	Nov 07 15:05
schestowitz	I wonder how Torvalds feels about the piece	Nov 07 15:05
schestowitz	if I had something witty to say, I'd ask Torvalads about it over email	Nov 07 15:06
XFaCE	schestowitz: "Washington Post... FUCK YOU!"	Nov 07 15:06
schestowitz	sometimes they have some decent reports	Nov 07 15:06
XFaCE	on a blue moon	Nov 07 15:06
schestowitz	because they employ some fairly good journalists, same with NYTimes	Nov 07 15:06
schestowitz	but all in all, both "journals of record" are Pentagon mouthpieces	Nov 07 15:06
schestowitz	(well funded at that)	Nov 07 15:06
schestowitz	so they can snap good reporter like James Risen	Nov 07 15:06
MinceR	where were their "fairly good journalists" when this article was vomited out and published?	Nov 07 15:06
XFaCE	schestowitz: also apologists for political correctness	Nov 07 15:07
schestowitz	what's political correctness?	Nov 07 15:07
schestowitz	Entrapping people	Nov 07 15:07
schestowitz	!google torvalds trap esr	Nov 07 15:07
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - From kafkatrap to honeytrap - Armed and Dangerous - Ibiblio \| http://esr.ibiblio.org/%3Fp%3D6907	Nov 07 15:07
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Are feminists targeting Linus Torvalds for sexual assault charges ... \| http://www.itworld.com/article/3001440/linux/are-feminist-sjws-targeting-linus-torvalds-for-sexual-assault-charges.html	Nov 07 15:07
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - a/esr-sharing - LWN.net \| https://lwn.net/2000/0824/a/esr-sharing.php3	Nov 07 15:07
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Any woman in tech could be a false-accusing feminist honey trap ... \| http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/11/05/any-woman-in-tech-could-be-a-false-accusing-feminist-honey-trap-addled-open-source-guru-warns/	Nov 07 15:07
schestowitz	I suspected so	Nov 07 15:08
schestowitz	Some female Linux dev complained about Shrap	Nov 07 15:08
schestowitz	said she was abusing Torvalds	Nov 07 15:08
schestowitz	and that she had also done that to her husband	Nov 07 15:08
schestowitz	it was a threat from 2013 IIRC	Nov 07 15:08
schestowitz	I can find it if you want	Nov 07 15:08
schestowitz	Linux doesn't "hire" people	Nov 07 15:08
schestowitz	So some trolls end up working like moles inside, inc. Microsoft moles	Nov 07 15:09
schestowitz	who "love Linux"	Nov 07 15:09
schestowitz	Enough to shove proprietary software hooks into it	Nov 07 15:09
schestowitz	while violating GPL	Nov 07 15:09
XFaCE	[10:07:21]<schestowitz> what's political correctness?	Nov 07 15:09
schestowitz	(hyper-V)	Nov 07 15:09
schestowitz	The definition I'd give	Nov 07 15:09
schestowitz	(without looking up)	Nov 07 15:09
XFaCE	schestowitz: authoritarianism, self-censorship for the purpose of not upsetting "feelilngs"	Nov 07 15:09
schestowitz	if what you need to say to remain electable	Nov 07 15:09
schestowitz	so, don't alienate potential votes	Nov 07 15:09
schestowitz	non-whites, women, homosexuals	Nov 07 15:10
XFaCE	schestowitz: it can apply to everyone beyond politicians	Nov 07 15:10
schestowitz	IOW, don't express opinions	Nov 07 15:10
XFaCE	exactly	Nov 07 15:10
schestowitz	Not even on war and foreign policy, unless it's Bush's "axis of evil'	Nov 07 15:10
schestowitz	Then you can make all the fun you want	Nov 07 15:10
schestowitz	mock N Korea, Not S Arabia	Nov 07 15:10
schestowitz	political correctness is a WESTERN term	Nov 07 15:11
schestowitz	won't apply in other countries	Nov 07 15:11
schestowitz	same with words like "Anti-American", Anti-Semite" etc.	Nov 07 15:11
schestowitz	Arabs and Russians don't enjoy these same moral 'proections'	Nov 07 15:11
schestowitz	BTW, I used to think third world country meant poor country	Nov 07 15:12
schestowitz	Not so, look up the definitopon	Nov 07 15:12
schestowitz	First means allies with West/NATO, second means with USSR, "third" with neither	Nov 07 15:12
schestowitz	So they poor-shame people not aligned with some political agenda	Nov 07 15:12
schestowitz	(one that primarily empowers/perpetuates power of Five Eyes and co. (mostly central Europe post WW2	Nov 07 15:13
XFaCE	https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151106/08022132734/jpmorgan-ceo-jamie-dimon-says-government-will-stop-bitcoin.shtml	Nov 07 15:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techdirt.com \| JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon Says The Government Will 'Stop' Bitcoin \| Techdirt		Nov 07 15:15
schestowitz	ta	Nov 07 15:17
MinceR	what happened to microsoft florian?	Nov 07 15:32
schestowitz	He's reformed a bit	Nov 07 15:36
schestowitz	no longer takes money from Microsoft	Nov 07 15:36
schestowitz	he admitted to me that he had	Nov 07 15:36
schestowitz	and explained how he justified this to himself	Nov 07 15:37
schestowitz	remember he did some linux and IBM bashing before that	Nov 07 15:37
MinceR	ic	Nov 07 15:37
schestowitz	now he seems to be going hard on companies that defend the use of software patents	Nov 07 15:37
schestowitz	even Apple	Nov 07 15:37
schestowitz	and I think that if he gets support for that, he might find that advocating for the "good fight" is worth Euros to him	Nov 07 15:37
MinceR	nice	Nov 07 15:38
schestowitz	which is what it all boils down for him,...	Nov 07 15:38
schestowitz	he's a lobbyist	Nov 07 15:38
schestowitz	now he's supportive of techrights	Nov 07 15:38
schestowitz	despite all that I wrote about him (negative)	Nov 07 15:38
XFaCE	schestowitz: so he's a shapeshifter? :P	Nov 07 15:40
MinceR	"But one could not create products more independently and single-handedly than Apple."	Nov 07 15:41
MinceR	what the fuck	Nov 07 15:41
XFaCE	um	Nov 07 15:41
XFaCE	where did that come from MinceR ?	Nov 07 15:41
MinceR	if that's true, what's all the code ripped off from Mach, FreeBSD and KDE doing in their shit?	Nov 07 15:41
MinceR	microsoft florian	Nov 07 15:41
MinceR	here: http://www.fosspatents.com/2015/11/hypocritical-red-hat-hopes-to-leverage.html	Nov 07 15:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com \| FOSS Patents: Hypocritical Red Hat hopes to leverage patents to cement its Linux market leadership: Microsoft deal		Nov 07 15:42
XFaCE	ah	Nov 07 15:42
XFaCE	ah	Nov 07 15:42
XFaCE	Apple Florian?	Nov 07 15:42
MinceR	is he apple florian now?	Nov 07 15:42
MinceR	:)	Nov 07 15:42
XFaCE	Shapeshifting Florian	Nov 07 15:42
MinceR	Weathervane Florian	Nov 07 15:42
XFaCE	Hilary Clinton Florian	Nov 07 15:43
MinceR	lol	Nov 07 15:44
XFaCE	MinceR: http://news.drweb.com/show/?i=9686&lng=en&c=5	Nov 07 16:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.drweb.com \| Encryption ransomware threatens Linux users — Dr.Web - innovation anti-virus security technologies. Comprehensive protection from Internet threats.		Nov 07 16:19
XFaCE	"Once launched with administrator privileges, the Trojan dubbed Linux.Encoder.1 downloads files..."	Nov 07 16:19
XFaCE	MinceR: hold it, does this mean that this "trojan" only works... if you run it as root?	Nov 07 16:20
XRevan86	XFaCE: Well, "trojan" means "user is dumb enough to give it all it needs"	Nov 07 16:21
XRevan86	Question is: who cares?	Nov 07 16:21
XFaCE	Question is... what web servers are going a) download this and b) run this as root?	Nov 07 16:22
XFaCE	or as you put it, who care? :P	Nov 07 16:22
XFaCE	*s	Nov 07 16:22
MinceR	also, apple florian hasn't heard of foxconn or what they do	Nov 07 16:37
MinceR	or who manufactures IC-s, displays, etc. for crApple	Nov 07 16:38
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Brainiarc7/status/663034003331620864	Nov 07 17:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Brainiarc7: @schestowitz slurm?		Nov 07 17:01
schestowitz	[15:40] <XFaCE> schestowitz: so he's a shapeshifter? :P	Nov 07 17:01
schestowitz	In a sense, yes	Nov 07 17:01
schestowitz	[15:43] <XFaCE> Hilary Clinton Florian	Nov 07 17:02
schestowitz	Reptoidian	Nov 07 17:02
XRevan86	Changeling?	Nov 07 17:16
schestowitz	meh :-)	Nov 07 17:36
schestowitz	Someone just told me this about EPO I.U.:	Nov 07 17:36
schestowitz	"Claudio Zanghi, “The Spanish inquisitor”. He is actually Italian. He is the Head of the Investigative Unit. Mr Zanghi looks friendly and reserved but don’t be fooled. Dr Jekyll at the coffee machine and Mr Hyde when drafting reports on EPO employees."	Nov 07 17:36
schestowitz	Details about the head of the #epo 'Gestapo' (as EPO staff calls it) http://techrights.org/2015/11/07/head-of-epo-investigative-unit/	Nov 07 18:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| The EPO’s Investigative Unit Exposed: Part V \| Techrights		Nov 07 18:12
MinceR	gestEPO	Nov 07 18:13
XFaCE	MinceR: very good	Nov 07 18:13
MinceR	:)	Nov 07 18:13
cubexyz	interesting what Nyhrvold said about Windows	Nov 07 18:23
cubexyz	compares the cost of running a PC in a year to the cost of windows	Nov 07 18:23
MinceR	because winblows will kill the pc in a year? :>	Nov 07 18:24
cubexyz	he also states "I don't think Linux is very important"	Nov 07 18:24
cubexyz	in 1998	Nov 07 18:24
MinceR	should have asked about what protects their shitty webservers from load first	Nov 07 18:25
cubexyz	how dare people not pay the Microsoft tax!	Nov 07 18:25
cubexyz	that's the vibe I got from it	Nov 07 18:25
MinceR	no wonder	Nov 07 18:25
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MinceR	they believe the whole world belongs to them	Nov 07 18:25
MinceR	and aren't even trying to hide that	Nov 07 18:25
cubexyz	then he says "it is a serious competitor" later on	Nov 07 18:26
cubexyz	so which is it? :) it is serious or not	Nov 07 18:26
MinceR	it's a serious competitor that is not very important	Nov 07 18:27
cubexyz	that would have been in the redhat 5.2 era, so yes it was pretty good at that point in time	Nov 07 18:27
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/663059061127012352	Nov 07 18:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz @glynmoody I usually don't like such historical comparisons but the EPO is by far the most fascist entity in Munich since 1945.		Nov 07 18:27
MinceR	m$, crApple and the b$a don't have offices in Munich?	Nov 07 18:28
schestowitz	[18:13] <MinceR> gestEPO	Nov 07 18:39
schestowitz	LOL, didn't think of it	Nov 07 18:39
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schestowitz	Hahaha! Florian is now your best friend! :-)	Nov 07 21:34
schestowitz	Jan Wildeboer	Nov 07 21:34
schestowitz	http://www.fosspatents.com/2015/11/hypocritical-red-hat-hopes-to-leverage.html?m=1 …	Nov 07 21:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com \| FOSS Patents: Hypocritical Red Hat hopes to leverage patents to cement its Linux market leadership: Microsoft deal		Nov 07 21:34
schestowitz	He used to be your friend too :-)	Nov 07 21:34
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/madridbombings/status/663104088301793281	Nov 07 21:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@madridbombings: @AnnieMachon @schestowitz @rivin1 @evilallaround @ispeakitasitis		Nov 07 21:35
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schestowitz	"Hehe. "Friend". Let me just say that I encouraged him to do things he shouldn't have done. Like shouting at Rocard."	Nov 07 21:46
schestowitz	"Which resulted in him being kicked out of the Brussels sphere ;-)"	Nov 07 21:46
schestowitz	LOL, I didn't know that	Nov 07 21:46
*amarsh04 is a bit frustrated at working Linux kernel code being replaced with broken code: https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/11/7/31		Nov 07 21:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lkml.org \| LKML: Arthur Marsh: lock-up on boot with x86/PCI/ACPI: Use common interface to support PCI host bridge		Nov 07 21:48
amarsh04	after the same person had earlier done a scsi code commit that broke things for me	Nov 07 21:48
schestowitz	"I'm evil. I work at Red Hat ;-)"	Nov 07 21:52
schestowitz	"This was before I joined Red Hat, however."	Nov 07 21:52
schestowitz	"It was when we at FFII saw that Florian was becoming a problem."	Nov 07 21:52
schestowitz	"He started to support the SUN position. Which was totally not acceptable from our perspective."	Nov 07 21:52
schestowitz	So who is he loyal to at the end of the day? Sincere question. Is he cooking a trick and may stab at the back again later? Bad/good cop?	Nov 07 21:53
schestowitz	"Hahaha! Florian is now your best friend! :-)"	Nov 07 21:53
MinceR	money	Nov 07 21:53
schestowitz	[red hat's jan]	Nov 07 21:53
schestowitz	MinceR: yeah, but I want to see what Jan says	Nov 07 21:53
MinceR	:)	Nov 07 21:53
schestowitz	let's wait and see	Nov 07 21:53
schestowitz	they're very butthurt now	Nov 07 21:53
schestowitz	after the MS deal didn't just yield 100% puff pieces	Nov 07 21:54
schestowitz	"The way he praises Microsoft and Oracle in his recent post compared to how he slams Red Hat (because we stopped paying him. Guess who made that proposal? ;-)"	Nov 07 21:57
schestowitz	"And ATM he claims to be some sort of privateer. I might even buy that. But it also means he needs some headlines every now and then."	Nov 07 21:57
schestowitz	"I haven't talked to him for 3 years."	Nov 07 21:57
schestowitz	Wait, Red Hat PAID him?!	Nov 07 21:57
schestowitz	(maybe he meant for the days of anti swpats activism	Nov 07 21:58
schestowitz	i.e. around 2005	Nov 07 21:58
schestowitz	let's see what he says, this is becoming interesting	Nov 07 21:58
schestowitz	"Yep. Red Hat sponsored his no software patents campaign. Together with MySQL."	Nov 07 21:59
schestowitz	Is this public info?	Nov 07 21:59
schestowitz	"When I joined Red Hat in 2005 I made sure that stopped."	Nov 07 21:59
schestowitz	"FFII was pissed. They felt that Florian was taking money away from them."	Nov 07 22:00
schestowitz	I never took any money from any company (other than my employer). I guess I'm not ahem... business-minded like FM	Nov 07 22:00
schestowitz	FFII was pissed. They felt that Florian was taking money away from them.	Nov 07 22:01
schestowitz	Jan Wildeboer	Nov 07 22:01
schestowitz	http://www.fosspatents.com/2015/11/hypocritical-red-hat-hopes-to-leverage.html?m=1 …	Nov 07 22:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com \| FOSS Patents: Hypocritical Red Hat hopes to leverage patents to cement its Linux market leadership: Microsoft deal [ http://ur1.ca/o8xl9 ]		Nov 07 22:01
schestowitz	FFII was pissed. They felt that Florian was taking money away from them.	Nov 07 22:01
schestowitz	Jan Wildeboer	Nov 07 22:01
schestowitz	http://www.fosspatents.com/2015/11/hypocritical-red-hat-hopes-to-leverage.html?m=1 …	Nov 07 22:01
schestowitz	[Ah, I guess he did mention it, I missed it]	Nov 07 22:01
schestowitz	MinceR: there's some fishy about FM	Nov 07 22:01
schestowitz	still	Nov 07 22:01
schestowitz	he was praised by MS	Nov 07 22:01
MinceR	his praise for crApple already smells to me	Nov 07 22:01
schestowitz	Guetirrez, or whatever's the name of their main anti-Linux patent lawyer	Nov 07 22:01
schestowitz	vice preseident	Nov 07 22:02
MinceR	especially considering that crApple is not only a parasite with shitty products, but they also keep attacking */Linux	Nov 07 22:02
schestowitz	I'll watch out, I guess.... but it's him just following me re Red Hat	Nov 07 22:02
schestowitz	MinceR: Apple is lowering the volume of lawsuits over Android	Nov 07 22:02
schestowitz	AFAIK	Nov 07 22:02
schestowitz	The HTC case was 'settlesd'	Nov 07 22:02
schestowitz	with pay	Nov 07 22:02
schestowitz	and I think it's just Samsung they still go after	Nov 07 22:03
MinceR	not a difficult task for them	Nov 07 22:03
schestowitz	Microsoft does worse now	Nov 07 22:03
schestowitz	after Jobs died the cases slowed down, over time	Nov 07 22:03
schestowitz	it took a year or two	Nov 07 22:03
MinceR	there are a lot of notches they could go down	Nov 07 22:03
schestowitz	they'll lose	Nov 07 22:03
MinceR	they've also bought CUPS so they could fuck it up	Nov 07 22:03
schestowitz	but they still make money in the DRM business	Nov 07 22:03
schestowitz	and their shit is overprised, so money still flows in	Nov 07 22:03
schestowitz	*priced	Nov 07 22:03
schestowitz	CUPS isn't f*ed up yet	Nov 07 22:04
schestowitz	works well for me	Nov 07 22:04
MinceR	afaik they've already started removing features	Nov 07 22:04
schestowitz	"I , too, have a (past) Red Hat connection, but it's none that I would be proud of. Over the decades I've done work for a variety of companies, and Red Hat is the only one I wish I had never worked with. They supported my NoSoftwarePatents campaign in late 2004 and early 2005, probably because they just thought a sponsorship was useful for currying favor with the FOSS community. They were far larger than MySQL AB but contributed a far	Nov 07 22:04
schestowitz	smaller amount."	Nov 07 22:04
schestowitz	Jan: "As public as it can get ;-)"	Nov 07 22:04
schestowitz	That helps add context	Nov 07 22:05
schestowitz	"Always happy to help :-)"	Nov 07 22:06
schestowitz	Don't take any of my writings about Red Hat personally. It's a bug company now, so there are competing interests therein, between separate groups, products, not just people. Red Hat even hired managers from Microsoft.	Nov 07 22:07
schestowitz	*big	Nov 07 22:07
schestowitz	MinceR: red hat is chatting about these now	Nov 07 22:08
schestowitz	the writings by varghese, FM, techrights	Nov 07 22:08
MinceR	they're realizing they shouldn't have copied novell so closely?	Nov 07 22:08
schestowitz	let's see if the "Open Organization" as Whitehurst calls it sheds some light on the patent situation (e.g. GPL compatibility and how so)	Nov 07 22:08
schestowitz	Jan: "And you can as Carlo Piana about the Red Hat/Microsoft deal. He knows the contract. Not even I do. Carlo did say there is no patent deal in there. But don't trust me. That's perfectly ok. Doesn't change my respect towards you."	Nov 07 22:09
schestowitz	"Ask. Not as"	Nov 07 22:09
schestowitz	So they contracted Piana to help with the deal?	Nov 07 22:09
schestowitz	"Yes. We hired managers from Microsoft. And Oracle. And IBM. And they all get the personal brainwash by me in Munich ;-)"	Nov 07 22:10
schestowitz	"Carlo told me the agreement is fully GPL compliant."	Nov 07 22:10
schestowitz	"Yes, we did."	Nov 07 22:10
schestowitz	Tell Piana (nice guy) and Whitehurst (I interview him) to consider releasing the info to the public to stop speculations then...	Nov 07 22:10
schestowitz	I used to defend Red Hat even when they made patent deals, e.g. with the trolls	Nov 07 22:11
MinceR	their faq claims the pact includes that "neither company will pursue a patent lawsuit or claim against the other or its customers, while we are partnering"	Nov 07 22:12
schestowitz	Because Red Hat showed it was GPL compatible and shared the details, didn't hide them	Nov 07 22:12
MinceR	similar weaseling around patents as the novell "covenant not to sue"	Nov 07 22:12
schestowitz	I can still change my mind and offer an updated interpretation	Nov 07 22:12
schestowitz	MinceR: yeah	Nov 07 22:12
MinceR	so either there's a patent deal or they lie about the deal on http://www.redhat.com/en/about/blog/faq-red-hat-and-microsoft-partnership	Nov 07 22:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.redhat.com \| FAQ: Red Hat and Microsoft Partnership \| Red Hat		Nov 07 22:12
schestowitz	this is why I want to see the binding contract	Nov 07 22:12
MinceR	_and_ they expect us to eat this bullshit	Nov 07 22:12
schestowitz	not some verbal stuff from a geek, not some lawyer	Nov 07 22:12
MinceR	what a slimy bunch of career criminals	Nov 07 22:13
schestowitz	"Unfortunately not going to happen."	Nov 07 22:13
schestowitz	"I am pushing our legal department to publish general advice with template language however."	Nov 07 22:13
schestowitz	"Please don't. Only if you get the assurance and info you need."	Nov 07 22:13
schestowitz	Nothing to fear, nothing to hide	Nov 07 22:13
schestowitz	"I'm not the one who can deliver that. Carlo can, I hope."	Nov 07 22:13
schestowitz	Ask Piana	Nov 07 22:13
schestowitz	"I am pushing our legal department to publish general advice with template language however."	Nov 07 22:14
schestowitz	"Unfortunately not going to happen."	Nov 07 22:14
schestowitz	"I don't like the deal. But I understand why it's a good thing."	Nov 07 22:15
schestowitz	"It was 100% customer driven."	Nov 07 22:15
schestowitz	"They wanted this. Microsoft accepted that. After almost two years."	Nov 07 22:15
schestowitz	"Canonical/SUSE just wasn't good enough for Azure customers."	Nov 07 22:15
schestowitz	"It was 100% customer driven." is Novell speak	Nov 07 22:15
schestowitz	And I explained why it's not a good thing for the community, irrespective of Red Hat's interests and its customers'	Nov 07 22:16
schestowitz	I said this in comments, in articles, social media	Nov 07 22:16
schestowitz	PJ used to call it Yuppie Nuremberg defence	Nov 07 22:16
MinceR	LOL	Nov 07 22:16
MinceR	231530 < schestowitz> "Canonical/SUSE just wasn't good enough for Azure customers."	Nov 07 22:16
MinceR	if there was anything that wasn't good enough for azure customers, they wouldn't be azure customers	Nov 07 22:17
schestowitz	"Hehe. They all went to the same disinformation school, I guess ;-)"	Nov 07 22:17
schestowitz	"Again, I'm not a fan."	Nov 07 22:17
schestowitz	I know, it's like when I'm asked to remotely access Windows to do something from the one paying the salary	Nov 07 22:18
schestowitz	"I know, it's like when I'm asked to remotely access Windows to do something from the one paying the salary"	Nov 07 22:18
schestowitz	Could Microsoft not omit the whole parent thing for Azure?	Nov 07 22:18
schestowitz	Canonica;'s azure deal hasn't got that crap, like "standstill"	Nov 07 22:18
schestowitz	t "neither company will pursue a patent lawsuit or claim against the other or its customers, while we are partnering"	Nov 07 22:19
schestowitz	"But I do see that we got a deal that SUSE or Canonical couldn't get."	Nov 07 22:20
schestowitz	"I am willing to wait a year and see what happens."	Nov 07 22:20
schestowitz	"They were told "sign here". And they did."	Nov 07 22:20
schestowitz	"We insisted on that. On not recognizing any patent value."	Nov 07 22:20
schestowitz	Were Webbink, Tiller et al involved in this?	Nov 07 22:21
schestowitz	Can I interview any of them about this?	Nov 07 22:21
schestowitz	"That was the show stopper for almost two years."	Nov 07 22:21
schestowitz	"We didn't give in ;-)"	Nov 07 22:21
schestowitz	"But my sources inside Microsoft tell me that Nadella wants to move away from the patent mess."	Nov 07 22:21
schestowitz	LOL	Nov 07 22:21
schestowitz	Why did he do what he did to ASUS, Kyocera, Dell, and Samsung?	Nov 07 22:22
schestowitz	Maybe he can write about this in opensource.com	Nov 07 22:22
schestowitz	He has not written there for ages	Nov 07 22:22
schestowitz	Not about patent policy, not software patents, not trolls, nothing...	Nov 07 22:23
schestowitz	"I don't know. I do know he allowed our deal to go through."	Nov 07 22:23
schestowitz	Let's just say that I don't know how Tiller intends to really tackle swpats, if he's at all interested in this...	Nov 07 22:23
schestowitz	Maybe I'll do patent search later to see if Red Hat still applies for patents on software	Nov 07 22:24
schestowitz	"I don't know. I do know he allowed our deal to go through."	Nov 07 22:24
schestowitz	"I'll ask around."	Nov 07 22:24
schestowitz	"I'm As interested to get this out in public as you are."	Nov 07 22:24
schestowitz	Tell him. OPEN Organisation. Like the book ;-)	Nov 07 22:24
schestowitz	"We do.	Nov 07 22:25
schestowitz	"	Nov 07 22:25
amarsh04	one shouldn't trust hearsay, just use it to help find hard evidence	Nov 07 22:25
schestowitz	Applying for spftware patents serves to convince me that Red Hat's size and growing budget goes to waste, like Gates after his "standstill" remark	Nov 07 22:25
MinceR	ooh, poor little innocent m$ wants to move away from the mess that is in large part their fault?	Nov 07 22:25
MinceR	how cute.	Nov 07 22:25
schestowitz	He and Microsoft both say standstill	Nov 07 22:26
schestowitz	Gates said patents would lead to a standstill (when Microsoft was small), not that he's back in MS management I hear of a patent "standstill" with Red Hat. Still same language.	Nov 07 22:26
schestowitz	Serves to show two giants agreeing to help each other, like with Novell...	Nov 07 22:26
schestowitz	"As interested to get this out in public as you are."	Nov 07 22:27
schestowitz	"We do."	Nov 07 22:27
schestowitz	"But still under our patent promise.'	Nov 07 22:27
schestowitz	"All our patents are also going to OIN."	Nov 07 22:27
schestowitz	"This is a different standstill. No cross licensing. No payments."	Nov 07 22:27
schestowitz	Sun also was peaceful, but what happened when Oracle got the patents?	Nov 07 22:28
schestowitz	OIN Oracle...	Nov 07 22:28
schestowitz	I asked Red hat this several years ago, no assurance if Red Hat gets sold (it's not too expensive for some OEMs to devour, with MBAs who don't care about Linux signing the deal)	Nov 07 22:28
schestowitz	Novell was in OIN and the patents are now in CPTN (Oracle, Microsoft, Apple)	Nov 07 22:29
MinceR	i doubt deadrat will end up any better than novell did	Nov 07 22:29
schestowitz	"All our patents are also going to OIN."	Nov 07 22:29
schestowitz	"This is a different standstill. No cross licensing. No payments."	Nov 07 22:30
schestowitz	"Not even acceptance of validity."	Nov 07 22:30
schestowitz	"I'll try to get more details in the open."	Nov 07 22:30
schestowitz	"Yep. And I cannot garantuee we might not get bought. But IMHO it's never going to happen."	Nov 07 22:30
schestowitz	"But now I'm off to get some sleep."	Nov 07 22:30
schestowitz	Explain this to Jim. We need "Open"	Nov 07 22:30
schestowitz	"Gartner event in Barcelona next week. Analyst meetings."	Nov 07 22:30
schestowitz	Greedy bastards (Gartner)	Nov 07 22:30
schestowitz	"Gartner event in Barcelona next week. Analyst meetings."	Nov 07 22:31
schestowitz	"Guess what they want to talk about ;-)"	Nov 07 22:31
schestowitz	*It's called "gartner tax"	Nov 07 22:31
schestowitz	Not my term, people use it to mean money you pay those scumbags to make sure they stay on the good side of you... that's their biz model	Nov 07 22:32
schestowitz	"And I'll meet Jim there. I will ask."	Nov 07 22:32
schestowitz	"But now I'm off to get some sleep."	Nov 07 22:32
schestowitz	"Yep. And I cannot garantuee we might not get bought. But IMHO it's never going to happen."	Nov 07 22:32
schestowitz	"Yep. But giving out loads of red hats so people wear them at the sponsor party paid by Microsoft is worth it ;-)"	Nov 07 22:33
schestowitz	Oh dear..	Nov 07 22:33
schestowitz	"At least for me :-)"	Nov 07 22:33
schestowitz	I know what happens when people get into symbolism, uniform, tribalism	Nov 07 22:33
schestowitz	"They complained bitterly last year."	Nov 07 22:33
MinceR	yes, it will help drive the point that m$ and ratcrap are best buddies now	Nov 07 22:33
MinceR	+home	Nov 07 22:34
schestowitz	yeah	Nov 07 22:34
schestowitz	like Hovsepian	Nov 07 22:34
schestowitz	ewww	Nov 07 22:34
schestowitz	"All of the photos they got from the floor were filled with red hats."	Nov 07 22:34
schestowitz	That's just branding, let's see gnus	Nov 07 22:34
schestowitz	"I even have a Shadowman tattoo ;-)"	Nov 07 22:34
schestowitz	"No gnu on my sacred body :-)'	Nov 07 22:35
schestowitz	That's too bad, RMS would be upset. Anywya, g'night. Good luck opening this up.	Nov 07 22:35
schestowitz	"No gnu on my sacred body :-)"	Nov 07 22:37
schestowitz	"Thanks for the nice chat!"	Nov 07 22:37
schestowitz	--	Nov 07 22:37
schestowitz	over	Nov 07 22:37
schestowitz	MinceR: I think they start to feel the heat	Nov 07 22:37
schestowitz	it's not just about patents but good citizenship	Nov 07 22:37
schestowitz	meaning, not too much silencing of FSF etc.	Nov 07 22:37
schestowitz	remember FSF gets money from them	Nov 07 22:38
schestowitz	so GNU/RMS cannot say much about systemd	Nov 07 22:38
MinceR	well, now they can give the FSF more money	Nov 07 22:38
schestowitz	Linux Foundation has more sponsored	Nov 07 22:38
MinceR	as it has given up its principles already	Nov 07 22:38
schestowitz	But many of Torvalds' colleagues work for Red Hat	Nov 07 22:38
MinceR	and became the Gratis Windows Foundation	Nov 07 22:38
schestowitz	very core parts of the kernel	Nov 07 22:38
schestowitz	Red Hat, I think, is almost worth 20 billion now	Nov 07 22:38
schestowitz	Canonical maybe 80 million?	Nov 07 22:38
MinceR	everything is being fucked up	Nov 07 22:38
schestowitz	Not sure, maybe that's turnover	Nov 07 22:39
MinceR	i wonder when will putin nuke us all	Nov 07 22:39
schestowitz	I doubt it	Nov 07 22:39
schestowitz	MinceR: putin doesn't need to nuke us, his comrades will do a fine job, in due course, with their crappy aging system	Nov 07 22:39
schestowitz	!google jeep accident military nuke truck	Nov 07 22:40
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Caught On Tape: U.S. Army Jeep Rear-Ends A Nuke \| Zero Hedge \| http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-04/caught-tape-us-army-jeep-rear-ends-nuclear-missile-transport	Nov 07 22:40
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Caught On Tape: U.S. Army Jeep Rear-Ends Truck Transporting A ... \| https://voat.co/v/NotTheOnion/comments/636289	Nov 07 22:40
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Caught On Tape: U.S. Army Jeep Rear-Ends A Nuke - Silver For The ... \| http://www.brotherjohnf.com/caught-on-tape-u-s-army-jeep-rear-ends-a-nuke/	Nov 07 22:40
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - List of accidents and incidents involving military aircraft (1960–74 ... \| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_military_aircraft_(1960%25E2%2580%259374)	Nov 07 22:40
schestowitz	Even the US can't do it right	Nov 07 22:40
MinceR	it would speed along the extinction of humanity just fine, though	Nov 07 22:40
schestowitz	passing nukes past main roads like it's some fedex delivery surrounded by armoured vehicles	Nov 07 22:40
MinceR	well, it's not like nukes are important to defend	Nov 07 22:41
MinceR	unlike important politicians	Nov 07 22:41
schestowitz	important people whose skill is writing and speech-giving?	Nov 07 22:46
schestowitz	People who can't make a simple device, write code, or fight?	Nov 07 22:46
schestowitz	Those who call experts and techs "nerds"?	Nov 07 22:46
schestowitz	Politicians are just corporations' vehicles for power	Nov 07 22:46
schestowitz	exploiting or even changing so-called law to get more for themselves and less/nothing for everybody else	Nov 07 22:47
MinceR	yes, important people whose only skill is persuading other people to fuck up life for everybody	Nov 07 22:47
MinceR	ironic how the typical human paralyzing fear of death may well lead to the death of all humans (via religion)	Nov 07 22:49
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/663128754311532545	Nov 07 23:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Wikinaut: +1 https://t.co/35zpwqr5Js		Nov 07 23:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Watching the story of Swartz inspired me to continue my activism against #censorship and against bullying designed to impede #freespeech		Nov 07 23:05
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Reconquista1970/status/663141748709974016	Nov 07 23:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Reconquista1970: @schestowitz They rage against capitalism with their iPhones, designer clothes and mass produced Guy Fawkes masks. #bellends		Nov 07 23:57
schestowitz	They should rage against capitalism naked, with rocks, stones, and very thick ash stains for anonymity???	Nov 07 23:57
MinceR	they shouldn't rage against capitalism, they should rage against things that exist	Nov 07 23:58
MinceR	they should rage against oppression, exploitation, unfree markets, monopoly exploitation, etc.	Nov 07 23:59

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